[07:32] <aku> Hi there
[07:32] <aku> anyone is listening??
[10:51] <gordonjcp> at 7:30am on a sunday, are you joking?
[17:35] <deathguppie> hi guys :) I have a m-audio fast track pro.  It seems to work, as in I can record using Audacity, but Jack can't see it.  Any ideas how to fix that?
[17:36] <holstein> deathguppie: hey
[17:36] <holstein> i would ask over in #opensourcemusicians
[17:36] <holstein> in jackcontrol
[17:36] <holstein> there are drop down menus
[17:37] <holstein> make sure you have alsa driver selected
[17:37] <deathguppie> I opened qjackctl and looked in the setup.  all the alsa stuff shows up but not the usb stuff.
[17:37] <holstein> then look around near 'interfaces
[17:37] <ailo> deathguppie: usb devices use alsa driver
[17:38] <holstein> yeah
[17:39] <holstein> i have a USB device
[17:39] <deathguppie> yes in "setup" for qjackctl if the driver is alsa, for interface drop down options I get hw:0 plughw:0 default /dev/audio /dev/dsp
[17:39] <holstein> and i select it with the drop down menu beside the word 'default'
[17:39] <holstein> in 'setup'
[17:40] <holstein> beside 'interfaces
[17:40] <deathguppie> got that
[17:40] <holstein> yeah
[17:40] <holstein> beside that still
[17:40] <holstein> not the 'default' drop down
[17:41] <holstein> can really look different though
[17:41] <holstein> per device
[17:41] <holstein> i know several folk over in #opensourcemusians use that device with JACK
[17:41] <deathguppie> no ok... ha  it was the little arrow to the right..  beside the drop down arrow.  I ddn't even knowtice that!!
[17:41] <holstein> deathguppie: i think its a bit confusing
[17:41] <holstein> the layout there
[17:42] <holstein> deathguppie: you see it though?
[17:42] <holstein> maudio something in the list?
[17:42] <holstein> i think my maudio transit shows up by name
[17:42] <deathguppie> ya,, not the best interface design.. but ya.. '
[17:42] <holstein> cool
[17:45] <deathguppie> now let's see if I can get ardour to record something..
[17:51] <deathguppie> nope I was wrong.  The only thing showing in connections is FastTrack Pro midi
[17:51] <deathguppie> so it's not working
[17:51] <holstein> deathguppie: you're looking in all the tabs?
[17:51] <holstein> in 'connect' ?
[17:52] <deathguppie> ya in connect.  under Alsa I have FastTrack Pro, but it only turns out to be midi
[17:53] <holstein> strange
[17:53] <holstein> id call that progress though ;)
[17:53] <holstein> deathguppie: 10.10?
[17:53] <deathguppie> just installed it last night
[17:53] <holstein> 10.10?
[17:53] <holstein> or 10.04?
[17:53] <deathguppie> ya
[17:54] <deathguppie> 10.10
[17:54] <deathguppie> I can see the ISO on my other system
[17:55] <holstein> if you have time, i would /j #opensourcemusicians
[17:55] <holstein> there are several folk using that device with JACK
[17:55] <holstein> with no problems
[17:55] <deathguppie> ok.. I'll check it out thnks..
[17:55] <holstein> pretty sure most are using 10.04
[17:55] <holstein> i am too
[17:56] <holstein> deathguppie: did you reference http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/M-Audio_FastTrack_Pro ?
[17:57] <holstein> deathguppie: could be you need to use 16bit
[17:57] <holstein> maybe check 'force 16 bit' in JACK
[17:57] <holstein> and that will do the trick
[17:57] <holstein> i do remember them saying it was 16bit only in linux
[18:04] <ailo> Yeah, I think 16 bits and also a limitation on sample-rate. All within usb 1.1 class compliancy. Without specific drivers you'll be limited. Haven't taken the time what that means exactly, though.
[18:05] <ailo> to learn*


[05:15] <pleia2> ok, getting this release out the door
[05:38] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue264
[08:00] <Silverlion> JoseeAntonioR: ping now i have time ;)
[08:17] <benonsoftware> Silverlion: He is in bed :P
[16:19] <passstab> i don't know if this fits
[16:19] <passstab> but i think it's interesting
[16:19] <passstab> and Ubuntu related http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120507#opinion
[16:20] <passstab> so i won't put it up but maybe someone who knows the rules should
[17:20] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: ping, please join #ubuntu-uds-room-201
[19:34] <pleia2> thanks passstab, I'll take a look in a bit (UDS is this week, busy busy :))
[19:36] <passstab> is about an unscientific study of what "normal people" think of different distros websites
[19:36] <passstab> fedora vs ubuntu vs debian
[19:36] <passstab> but i doubt that it fits
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> passstab; I found it an interesting read, I believe we have a section for that in UWN


[10:55] <guiverc> is a request to test 18.04.6 RC images worth posting to fridge/twitter?  (ubuntu desktop/server/base images; no flavors, only re-spun b/c of shim changes)  .. plan is to release this thursday so that will get posted; but RC & request to test worth posting now?
[10:56] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2021-September/007322.html   (that or ubuntu-devel are ML posted to)
[13:40] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ubuntu Livepatch on-prem reduces downtime and unplanned work on enterprise environments... @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-livepatch-on-prem-reduces-downtime-and-unplanned-work-on-enterprise-environments
[16:51] <krytarik> guiverc: I'd say no..
[18:48] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 700 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/09/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-700/ (by guiverc)
[19:23] <guiverc> ack & thanks krytarik


[09:42] <xnox> jibel:  didrocks: uploaded grub2-signed to match the grub2 upload. Note each time one uploads grub2 it creates a side-tarball for signing, which launchpad then signs and publishes in the archive like a custom upload (similarish to e.g. d-i)
[09:43] <xnox> jibel:  didrocks: then one has to upload grub2-signed such that it would fetch those signed blobs, and repackage them into .deb and ship it in the archive, to make grub2 securebootable.
[09:43] <xnox> anyway, uploaded
[09:43]  * xnox hopes to get d-i buildable and migratable.
[09:45] <jibel> xnox, thx
[09:45] <didrocks> xnox: ah, good to know! Thanks! Is it documented anywhere?
[09:46] <didrocks> so that I can add a bookmark for my own self next time :p
[09:49] <cjwatson> Have these ZFS patches been sent upstream?
[09:49] <xnox> didrocks:  no idea. but watch out for things that produce signing tarballs like: linux shim grub2 s390-tools
[09:49] <xnox> all of which have linux-signed shim-signed grub2-signed s390-tools-signed matching packages
[09:50] <xnox> jibel:  didrocks: also cyphermox is in the middle of rebase on top of 2.04 =)
[09:50] <cjwatson> An entire new script in util/grub.d/ is a significant maintenance commitment if it's downstream-specific.
[09:50] <didrocks> cjwatson: there is a card for this, we'll do it once zsys enters the distro
[09:50] <didrocks> and we separated the ubuntu-specific things in following patches (like the "recovery" translations)
[09:50] <didrocks> so that we only have in the first patch what can be upstreamed
[09:51] <didrocks> xnox: got it, thx ;)
[09:51] <cjwatson> I really recommend doing the upstreaming first next time.  From experience.
[09:51] <cjwatson> We can end up in unfortunate situations where we have to maintain interfaces in perpetuity that have been changed in the review process upstream.
[09:51] <didrocks> cjwatson: noted down, we wanted to testproof it a little bit, but that makes sense as well
[09:52] <didrocks> what interfaces? I don't think we added anything in any lib (no new API)
[09:52] <cjwatson> I don't think that multiple 10_linux_* scripts is a good pattern to follow, *at all*.
[09:52] <cjwatson> The interface between the boot loader and the installed system is an interface.
[09:53] <cjwatson> Dataset naming patterns, that sort of thing
[09:53] <didrocks> we initially got it as 15_, but thought 10_ would be better as it override for zfs 10_linux and is really similar, we can rename it + add the conffiles transitions
[09:53] <cjwatson> You misunderstand me.  My objection is not to the 10
[09:54] <cjwatson> We need to work out how to integrate this properly so that we don't have to have multiple scripts for booting Linux.  The existence of 20_linux_xen is bad enough but really shouldn't be perpetuated
[09:55] <cjwatson> Anyway, this isn't a veto since I no longer maintain Ubuntu grub2, but I wouldn't be willing to take this patch in Debian grub2 as it stands, and I'd be surprised if it were upstreamable (but I could be wrong)
[09:56] <cjwatson> IMO to be upstreamable it must be integrated into 10_linux properly
[09:57] <cjwatson> (Also, a minor point: zfs_enhance_support.patch shouldn't patch the autogenerated files Makefile.in and Makefile.util.am)
[09:58] <didrocks> If it could be merged with 10_linux, that would be great, but I really doubt about it or it means 10_linux will need to be really refactored a lot to be properly testable (as we do with 10_linux_zfs) and in functions. The intersection of commonality is quite small, but happy to discuss this upstream
[09:58] <cjwatson> Right, so start with preliminary patches to refactor it?
[09:58] <cjwatson> I imagine that would be a good thing anyway
[09:59] <didrocks> if my manager acks some time to do this, yes
[09:59] <didrocks> (and ack on Makefile.in, will fix this)
[10:00] <cjwatson> Ideally this would be laid out in such a way that the history handling could be shared by e.g. a btrfs implementation
[10:01] <cjwatson> Not saying you actually have to implement that, but if there were obvious slots for doing so, to me that would be a good indicator that the code layout is about right
[10:03] <didrocks> we have intermediate representations in memory of system layout and machines, so it can be generic enough (with in linux_entry() have switch cases for specifity in each file system)
[10:04] <cjwatson> Anyway, don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see work being done here, the particular shape of it just caught me by surprise as somebody who cares about the packaging being long-term sustainable
[10:05] <didrocks> We thought having a separate script will make it more maintainable, but I get you. Anyway, upstreaming is part of the plan and we'll ensure we have most of it upstream. Then, I will need to have official work time on merging with 10_linux as this will mean: more tests to write (we have 396 only on 10_linux_zfs) and I guess a month of refactoring for 10_linux
[10:08] <cjwatson> Sorry, if anyone had asked me earlier I would have said a separate script would make it less maintainable, without a second's hesitation
[10:08] <cjwatson> Some kind of upstream test framework for the grub.d scripts would be fantastic
[10:09] <cjwatson> I know there's been some talk upstream about a project to rewrite the whole grub-mkconfig structure (again), but I don't know how far it's got
[10:16] <didrocks> cjwatson: if I don't include Makefile.in and Makefile.util.am, debian/rules clean (and so debuild -S) is failing due to those files being modified before creating the source package
[10:20] <cjwatson> didrocks: Only if you've first done a build in-tree
[10:20] <cjwatson> In fact I think only if you've run ./autogen.sh in-tree
[10:20] <cjwatson> If you do it via the debian/rules machinery then clean should revert those changes, via dh_autoreconf_clean
[10:21] <cjwatson> It is not standard practice in this package to patch the autogenerated files, so it definitely works in general
[10:21] <didrocks> cjwatson: hum, I have a clean git checkout (without any modifications), I modified debian/patches/zfs_enhance_support.patch to remove those 2 files patches and I run debuild -S
[10:21] <cjwatson> See e.g. restore-mkdevicemap.patch
[10:21] <cjwatson> Did you actually revert the patches too rather than just removing them from the patch file?
[10:22] <cjwatson> Anyway, just telling you what standard practice is
[10:22] <cjwatson> You can look at the other patches for proof
[10:23] <didrocks> cjwatson: no patch is applied, no local modification, I remove Makefile.in and Makefile.util.am from debian/patches/zfs_enhance_support.patch, and then debuild -S, what is wrong in that workflow?
[10:25] <cjwatson> I don't know, sorry, you'll have to work it out yourself.  I use git-dpm in Debian which may not be in use for the Ubuntu packaging
[10:25] <cjwatson> Sounds like your local tree isn't quite clean
[10:26] <didrocks> let me try a fresh checkout, maybe the file which triggers this behavior is in .gitignore
[10:26] <didrocks> but I was told by cyphermox to use the git-dpm branch, but to build the source package with debuild -S
[10:27] <cjwatson> That's what I do in Debian
[10:27] <cjwatson> You don't need a fresh checkout
[10:27] <cjwatson> Look at git ignored files
[10:27] <didrocks> yeah, that's what I will try to purge and not only rely on git st
[10:27] <cjwatson> e.g. git clean -dfx will probably sort it out
[10:27] <cjwatson> Assuming you have nothing uncommitted that you want to keep in that tree :)
[10:27] <didrocks> well, I did my cp first ;)
[10:28] <didrocks> git clean -dfx doesn't do it, let me try to inspect any ignored files directly
[10:29] <cjwatson> So wait, you're using git-dpm but you hacked the .patch file directly?
[10:29] <didrocks> just for testing before committing
[10:29] <cjwatson> That seems unlikely to work well.
[10:29] <cjwatson> The files will still be modified in the working tree.
[10:29] <cjwatson> Use git-dpm properly
[10:30] <didrocks> why, "debuild -S" has no idea of git dpm?
[10:30] <cjwatson> You have a category error
[10:30] <cjwatson> It doesn't work that way
[10:30] <didrocks> and cyphermox told me that for this package, just use debuild -S to build the source package
[10:30] <cjwatson> Which is correct, but not if the working tree has been deliberately made out of sync with debian/patches/ ...
[10:30]  * didrocks is more familiar with gbp
[10:30] <cjwatson> git-dpm is a patches-applied workflow
[10:31] <cjwatson> Things will not go well if you modify .patch files by hand in a way that makes them not be in sync with the working tree
[10:31] <didrocks> ah? so debuild -S knows about git dpm and the applied commits?
[10:31] <cjwatson> No, it doesn't have to
[10:31] <cjwatson> The working tree has patches applied
[10:32] <didrocks> ah, indeed, even in the ubuntu branch, I thought it was only after a checkout-patched command
[10:32] <cjwatson> git-dpm checkout-patched; git rebase -i <whatever the corresponding upstream ref is>; edit the patch in question using git; git rebase --continue; git-dpm update-patches
[10:32] <didrocks> ok, makes sense then, so I'll refresh the patch even for testing
[10:33] <cjwatson> OK, that explains the confusion if you didn't realise it was patches-applied
[10:33] <didrocks> yeah, I was thinking with the gbp model, which is different
[10:33] <didrocks> ok, so let me rebase and test
[10:38] <didrocks> cjwatson: ok, so all good now. I was really at 100 feets of thinking the ubuntu branch would be patch-applied (I thought only patched-ubuntu was, after checkout-patched). No more issue know. let me just stage that in tree. Thanks and sorry for the confusion
[10:41] <juliank> not sure if I want to fix goplay on ppc64el (spurious? uninitialized variable error) or just ask for removal
[10:41] <juliank> like last update in debian was me nmuing it in 2015
[10:46] <cjwatson> didrocks: Cool, thanks
[11:00] <juliank> Qt question:
[11:00] <juliank> No rule to make target 'string', needed by '.ui/ui_debtagssettingswidget.h'.  Stop.
[11:00] <juliank> packagesearch fails to build like that
[11:01] <juliank> Anyone has an idea?
[11:01] <juliank> hmm
[11:02] <juliank> it's written like that in the Makefile
[11:02] <juliank> that qmake generated
[11:03] <juliank> why would qmake make that file depend on set and string, standard C++ headers?
[11:04] <juliank> there are includes for that in the .ui file, but it seems like a bug in qmake to turn   <include location="global" >string</include> into a <file>: string depends
[11:13] <juliank> nvm, I removed the include lines and it worked
[14:01] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, do you have any idea why bug #1820130 is showing on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html for disco but not bionic?
[14:04] <bdmurray> seb128: looking
[14:04] <seb128> bdmurray, thx
[14:06] <bdmurray> seb128: there's nothing obvious I'll run the report locally and see if I can sort it out
[14:07] <seb128> bdmurray, thx
[14:16] <seb128> juliank, bug #1766890 has been assigned to you since august 2018 ... do you still plan to work on it? if not it might be worth wontfixing it or unassigning as appropriate?
[14:17] <juliank> seb128: closing as invalid
[14:18] <seb128> juliank, thx
[15:21] <bdmurray> seb128: I don't know what happened but it self resolved.
[18:54] <mdeslaur> infinity, stgraber, vorlon, kees: TB meeting in 6m
[19:53] <seb128> bdmurray, thx for checking, good that it autoresolved :)
[20:07] <vorlon> mdeslaur: sorry for missing, feeling a bit under the weather today :/


[13:30] <juandondo> I installed Kubuntu 20.04 on a 1900 px resolution monitor. But the machine broke down. When changing the machine disk with a 1024 px resolution monitor, the image is distorted. How do you change the resolution?
[13:30] <juandondo> Is there a key combination to adjust the resolution when it is opening? Or is there a configuration file that can be edited through the console and change the resolution? Thank you so much.
[13:34] <juandondo> I installed Kubuntu 20.04 on a 1900 px resolution monitor. But the machine broke down. When changing the machine disk with a 1024 px resolution monitor, the image is distorted. How can I change the resolution? Is there a key combination to adjust the resolution when it is opening? Or is there a configuration file that can be edited through the
[13:34] <juandondo> console and change the resolution? Thank you so much.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:57] <BluesKaj> later all
[16:45] <Guest1790> hellow
[16:51] <Elliria> Hey there.
[16:53] <herbertku> Hello.
[16:59] <Guest1790> Hello
[17:11] <Fluxx> hello
[20:56] <user|87> hola
[21:04] <bprompt> !es @ user|87
[21:04] <bprompt> !es | user|87


[00:04] <akgraner> :-)
[00:04] <ZachK_> hey akgraner
[00:04] <akgraner> ZachK_, hey!
[00:05] <ZachK_> akgraner: i'm going for Ubuntu Membership tomorrow...think you could pass me a testimonial? Buddy?
[00:08] <akgraner> ZachK_, let me take a look - I have it set as a reminder to be at the meeting :-)  let me see what I can do
[00:08] <ZachK_> akgraner: it's at five am my time...what time will it be for you?
[00:10] <akgraner> ZachK_, I have the American's board set - but I have it listed as the 17th
[00:11] <ZachK_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[00:11] <ZachK_> it's that one
[00:11] <akgraner> well darn
[00:11] <akgraner> I am glad you said something today
[00:11] <akgraner> ZachK_, 6am :-)
[00:12] <akgraner> I'll be up and online then too
[00:12] <ZachK_> oh cool
[00:12] <ZachK_> so it's 6 pm for me...7pm for you i take it then?
[00:12] <akgraner> I'm 4 hours behind UTC right now
[00:12] <ZachK_> ah
[00:13]  * ZachK_ will be back shortly
[00:13] <ZachK_> chores to do
[00:13] <akgraner> k :-)
[00:17] <scott_ev> man, I wonder if it's too late to get on the list for tomorrow's meeting.  I'm ready for membership as well
[00:23] <akgraner> scott_ev, the americas board is June 17th
[00:28] <scott_ev> nice then I have time
[00:28] <scott_ev> thanks
[00:38] <akgraner> yeppers :-)
[00:38] <akgraner> you need to nudge johnc as well to give you a testimonial
[00:38] <akgraner> :-)
[00:58] <scott_ev> I have one
[00:58] <scott_ev> from him
[00:59] <scott_ev> and tyche and kennymc0 and a bud in OKC
[00:59] <akgraner> sweet!
[00:59] <scott_ev> I need one from you and from matthew helmke but he really doesn't know me very well
[00:59] <scott_ev> then again neither do you
[01:04] <akgraner> scott_ev, no worries :-)  what is the link to your wiki and I'll look at it tonight as well
[01:05] <scott_ev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/j.scott.gwin - I have a couple of entries to make but it's mostly complete and up to date
[01:30] <akgraner> links have been added to the googledoc and the wiki - whichever you are more comfortable with add it there :-) and thanks again - I am going to update with wiki for the howto and who is doing what :-)
[01:37] <nigelb> akgraner: Nice doc :) So you want summaries of the links you've given there right?
[01:39] <akgraner> nigelb, let's find you a section :-)
[01:39] <nigelb> I just woke, not at my best, but since you're around, I'll take on something for practice :)
[01:42] <akgraner> nigelb, how about the LoCo team stuff?
[01:42] <akgraner> take a look at a few past issues for some inspiration if ya need to :-)
[01:44] <nigelb> ok :)
[02:04] <nigelb> akgraner: I'd better do the news stuff when I get back from work in the evening.  I'm just in the wrong mood to write.
[02:05] <akgraner> nigelb, I know the feeling :-)
[02:05] <akgraner> no worries at all
[03:39] <scott_ev> akgraner: where should I put AZ LoCo stuff that I want added to the UWN?
[04:07] <akgraner> I'll see if I can get the LoCo Calendar added this week to the Fridge and see if they will update the pages to Say "Calendars" with links on that page to the various other calendars
[04:08] <akgraner> If it is an article - we just need a link to the original source and title and if you are willing to write the summary the summary as well
[04:09] <akgraner> ok now I am off to bed...
[04:19] <akgraner> so for the record - while I understand their are some loco teams who have their information on the Fridge Calendar - we are not making this a habit and as soon as the LoCo Calendar is in place we will be moving those off of there.  I am not going to argue this point - I am however making aggressive and steady efforts to fix this.  Thanks for understanding and this will be non-issue in less than a month
[10:23] <ZachK_> akgraner: ping?
[11:27] <akgraner> ZachK_, pong
[11:28] <ZachK_> akgraner: ping
[11:28] <ZachK_> akgraner: the meeting my dear
[11:28] <ZachK_> akgraner: i'm not up yet but will be.....soon
[11:28] <ZachK_> AND i wanted to discuss wiki...
[11:28] <akgraner> I know - I added stuff to your page ...but don't know that I will be right in front of my screen - I am in the middle of 2 other things
[11:28] <akgraner> :-)
[11:29] <ZachK_> i caught the testimonial...thanks very much
[11:29] <akgraner> Ping me after the meeting and we can discuss wikis
[11:29] <akgraner> :-)
[11:30] <ZachK_> yup
[11:42] <akgraner> ZachK_, thanks!
[11:59] <ZachK_> akgraner: ok i'm in....
[11:59] <akgraner> Congrats!
[12:00] <akgraner> :-)
[12:00] <ZachK_> thanks
[12:00] <akgraner> Hey everyone - ZachK_ is one of the newest Ubuntu Members :-)  \0/
[12:05] <ZachK_> akgraner: ok wiki work my dear
[12:06] <akgraner> ZachK_, I am in the middle of something - :-)
[12:07] <ZachK_> ok
[12:07] <ZachK_> take your time...
[12:07] <akgraner> ZachK_, the my dear was cute once
[12:07] <akgraner> :-D
[12:07]  * ZachK_ is hyped up on MountainDew....
[12:07] <akgraner> hehe
[12:07] <ZachK_> which means i'm gonna be up all day..been up since three yesterday
[12:07] <ZachK_> need to stay up all day though so i go to bed tonight at a decen hour....
[12:08] <ZachK_> not like four am like i have been
[12:58] <akgraner> ZachK_, ping ok finished with one item - and I have an hour or so before my next call
[12:58] <ZachK_> akgraner: :D
[12:58] <akgraner> can you talk wiki's now?
[12:58] <akgraner> awesome
[12:58]  * ZachK_ can always talk wiki
[12:58] <ZachK_> wiki is in my blood
[12:58] <akgraner> so I have started just editing some of the pages
[12:59] <ZachK_> ok
[12:59] <ZachK_> linkys?
[12:59] <akgraner>  /UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[13:00] <akgraner> nothing on the Front Pages yet
[13:00] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam
[13:00] <akgraner> this is the public one I think we need to start with
[13:01] <akgraner> so let's just look at that one :-)
[13:02] <ZachK_> ok
[13:02] <ZachK_> news team page is nice
[13:04] <akgraner> nods but under organization - instead of projects  - we need Fridge and Newsletter
[13:05] <ZachK_> ah i think i know what you mean
[13:06] <ZachK_> that entails changing the headers
[13:06] <ZachK_> which i know how to do
[13:06] <ZachK_> ?
[13:07] <akgraner> with links to those
[13:07] <akgraner> and we can still have the projects page it just needs to be updated
[13:07] <akgraner> as well as the Idea Pool Page needs to be created
[13:07] <akgraner> well just adding to them
[13:07] <akgraner> I like the way they look now and I think most people go as well
[13:08] <ZachK_> ok so the Organization header will have,
[13:08] <ZachK_> Fridge
[13:08] <ZachK_> Launchpad
[13:08] <ZachK_> Projects
[13:08] <ZachK_> Newsletter
[13:08] <ZachK_> or Fridge Launchpad
[13:08] <ZachK_> Projects Newsletter
[13:08] <akgraner> I added the Idea Pool page
[13:08] <akgraner> so organization can be
[13:09] <akgraner> The Fridge - link to the Fridge page
[13:09] <ZachK_> yup
[13:09] <akgraner> Newsletter - link to current issue page
[13:09] <ZachK_> projects -link to current projects
[13:09] <akgraner> Projects project page
[13:09] <akgraner> but the page will need to be updated
[13:10] <akgraner> to reflect the current team ect
[13:10] <ZachK_> True
[13:10] <akgraner> I think 2008 is the last time it was updated
[13:10] <ZachK_> ok so you want me to do what exactly
[13:10] <akgraner> add those links
[13:10] <ZachK_> and the meeting last time did have new stuff for us
[13:10] <ZachK_> ok
[13:10] <ZachK_> gimme a few
[13:10] <akgraner> and see if you can work on updating projects page
[13:11] <akgraner> if you have questions - you can ask them here or
[13:11] <akgraner> http://ietherpad.com/news-team-wikis
[13:11] <ZachK_> ok..that header is WAY Way way wAy bad
[13:12] <ZachK_> i mean i'm all for having one header but breaking it up is easier to edit
[13:12] <ZachK_> but thats me
[13:12] <akgraner> as long as the info on the front of it is good - I don't care how it's done as long as people can figure out how to edit it :-) if need be - Keep it Simple
[13:13] <ZachK_> ooh..question...can i be aded to the fridge editors?
[13:13] <akgraner> so if you have to rework it that's fine too - but can we keep the look the same :-)
[13:13] <ZachK_> ok
[13:13] <ZachK_> I'll figure something out
[13:14] <akgraner> ZachK_, not yet on the Fridge editor thing - people nominate people for that
[13:14] <akgraner> it's not a self nomination things
[13:14] <ZachK_> ah
[13:14] <akgraner> thing
[13:14] <akgraner> give it a little more time :-)
[13:14] <akgraner> marathon - not a sprint :-)
[13:15] <ZachK_> yeah...forgot that
[13:15] <ZachK_> I endorse ZachK_'s work on the UBT ( Ubuntu Beginners Team ) totally. He has shown real drive and motivation with regards to leading our Wiki team. I thought for sure that ZachK_ would have quit the team in the first month. I tend to see a lot of people who are "over-motivated", and they don't last long. ZachK_ proved me wrong. I was 100% off base, and I had no idea that drive was just they way ZachK_ works.
[13:15] <akgraner> ZachK_, not trying to be mean, rude, or exclusive  - hope you understand...
[13:15] <ZachK_> that was paultag's recommendation
[13:15] <ZachK_> akgraner: and i don't take it that way...completely understand
[13:16] <akgraner> yeah - you got some great testimonials there - they speak very highly of you!
[13:16] <ZachK_> i honestly didn't expect to get one from p-tag
[13:16] <ZachK_> thanks for yours too
[13:17] <akgraner> you're welcome - so use - http://ietherpad.com/news-team-wikis
[13:17] <akgraner> if you have content ideas etc and myself or someone else can comment as well -
[13:17] <akgraner> so anyone who wants to help work on the wikis and collaborate will time  - can use the etherpad :-)
[13:18] <akgraner> popey, see etherpads rule! :-)
[13:18] <popey> :)
[13:18] <popey> (I dont use ietherpad, but others)
[13:18] <popey> but yes, etherpads rule
[13:18] <popey> (yes, i have etherpad on highlight)
[13:19] <ZachK_> akgraner: do you still want the lp link under organization?
[13:19] <ZachK_> it's seems repetitive to me
[13:20] <akgraner> move it communication for now
[13:20] <ZachK_> ok
[13:20] <ZachK_> what's the newsletter current page link...so it's correct
[13:21] <akgraner> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewlestter/Current
[13:22] <akgraner> Newsletter
[13:22] <akgraner> let me try this again
[13:22] <ZachK_> ok
[13:22] <akgraner> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Current
[13:22] <akgraner> ^^^
[13:22] <akgraner> it's a redirect to the current issue
[13:22] <ZachK_> kk
[13:23] <akgraner> I have to work on a few things - so if you get stuck or have questions ping me  - I'll pop in and out
[13:23] <ZachK_> roger
[13:24] <ZachK_> should it be "Current Newsletter" Or just "Newsletter"
[13:25] <ZachK_> akgraner: ^^
[13:27] <ZachK_> hello Pendulum
[13:27] <akgraner> ZachK_, look at the UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter page :-)  there is a link for the current issue there  as well...
[13:27] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[13:28] <akgraner> it's UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Current
[13:28] <akgraner> DOH
[13:28] <akgraner> just Newsletter
[13:28] <akgraner> sorry
[13:28] <akgraner> ahhh to many things at once
[13:28] <ZachK_> L O L
[13:28] <ZachK_> i'm starring at markup code...don't distract me!
[13:28] <ZachK_> lol kidding
[13:29] <akgraner> hehe
[13:29] <akgraner> nhandler, are you a mailing list guru?
[13:30] <akgraner> me needs to pick someone's brain for a few minutes
[13:30]  * akgraner needs to pick someone's brain for a few minutes
[13:30] <akgraner> that's better
[13:30]  * ZachK_ is done with the header... akgraner take a look
[13:30] <akgraner> refreshing
[13:31] <akgraner> cool thanks
[13:31] <ZachK_> :D
[13:32] <akgraner> Communication - should be contact us
[13:32] <akgraner> and there should be a Mailing List and IRC option on there
[13:33] <akgraner> the IRC link needs to be available as a weblink as well  let me know if you need my help with those
[13:33] <akgraner> the mailing list link needs to take people to the page where they can sign up etc...
[13:35] <ZachK_> ohhkk
[13:37] <akgraner> brb gotta reboot
[13:37] <ZachK_> akgraner: the mailing list link is tthere
[13:37] <ZachK_> and so is the contact us..which should stay on the main tab imo
[13:40] <akgraner> good grief  - I have a ton of updates - wow
[13:41] <akgraner> ZachK_, it can be in both places
[13:41] <akgraner> most people look for Contact Us
[13:41] <akgraner> not Communication
[13:41] <ZachK_> oh you want me to rename communication to Contact US
[13:41] <ZachK_> rightr?
[13:41] <akgraner> we also need to Forum Link there as well
[13:42] <akgraner> yeppers thanks!
[13:42] <ZachK_> ok whats the forum link
[13:45] <akgraner> hmm - need to add UWN-Forum Link - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=243
[13:46] <akgraner> and The Fridge-Forum Link - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=122
[13:46] <ZachK_> ok
[13:46] <ZachK_> those two links...where to put them?
[13:46] <akgraner> the news team proper doesn't have a forum link - but I want people to see those right off the bat...
[13:48] <akgraner> ZachK_, hmm - good questions since it's more for discussion on what has been posted
[13:48] <ZachK_> exactly
[13:48] <ZachK_> definitely not a "Contact Us" section
[13:49] <akgraner> Add Forums to Contact us - but we'll link back to the Front page with an explanation
[13:49] <akgraner> so don't actually link Forum to anything just yet - just add the option there
[13:49] <ZachK_> ok
[13:52] <ZachK_> what about the fridge forum
[13:52] <ZachK_> could put that under the News Team header
[13:57] <akgraner> that's fine
[13:58] <akgraner> do the same for UWN on the Forums
[13:58] <akgraner> you can move it off of the contact us
[13:58] <akgraner> just play with it - we can tweak it later - sometimes it's easier to see something then tweak it :-)
[13:58] <ZachK_> ok
[13:58] <ZachK_> very true
[14:00] <akgraner> wow - all my updates just finished
[14:00] <akgraner> brb
[14:07] <ZachK_> akgraner: hows that
[14:08]  * akgraner goes to look :-)
[14:09] <akgraner> Cool
[14:09] <akgraner> hmmm
[14:09]  * ZachK_ doesn't like hmms
[14:10] <akgraner> nah -it's good
[14:10] <ZachK_> cool
[14:10] <akgraner> I am just thinking  - there maybe a better way to do this  - can you play around with it - and see what you can come up with
[14:10] <ZachK_> yeah i can do that
[14:11] <ZachK_> Also, the project page...you said that it needs an update...what info needs to go up there?
[14:11] <akgraner> Keep it simple  - and clean and light :-)  like the new theme - I think I may be trying to get to much stuff in those headers
[14:11] <akgraner> :-/
[14:12] <akgraner> so you can just play around with it - and we'll just tweak it :-)  make sense?
[14:12] <ZachK_> I think you're right about that....thinking i can add alot of that as info on the wiki..make it more robust
[14:13] <akgraner> nods - I think I am just not thinking with a wiki hat on at the moment
[14:13] <akgraner> sorry
[14:13] <ZachK_> lol
[14:13] <ZachK_> that's why you got me remember?
[14:13] <akgraner> - so for members Fridge
[14:13] <ZachK_> i'll be right back
[14:14] <akgraner> nhandler, pleia2 myself for now - as I think we are the ones who post most actively
[14:14] <ZachK_> what about 'em
[14:14] <akgraner> add them in place of the names on the project page
[14:15] <ZachK_> ah ok
[14:15] <ZachK_> would you be willing to nominate me?
[14:15] <akgraner> ZachK_, that's not cool to just ask like that
[14:16] <akgraner> it makes everyone uncomfortable - I haven't been an editor long enough to nominate anyone
[14:16] <akgraner> yet
[14:16] <ZachK_> sorry...i'm not thinking straight myself
[14:17] <ZachK_> If i'd gone to sleep like i should i wouldn't have such a high level of improprietary right now
[14:17] <ZachK_> be back in a sec
[14:17] <akgraner> no worries :-) it's all the mountain dew energy you have there
[14:17] <ZachK_> gotta make a phone call
[14:17] <akgraner> k no worries
[14:27]  * ZachK_ back
[14:28] <ZachK_> akgraner:
[14:29] <akgraner> cool - one sec :-) fixing an issue
[15:12] <cjohnston> akgraner: what do you think about adding "Calendars" before Popular Content and under Navigation.. And then providing links to each. I don't think all the calendars should be on the same page since they will have different instructions for adding things to them..
[15:12] <cjohnston> brb
[15:13] <akgraner> cjohnston, yep working on all that :-)
[15:14] <akgraner> but joey could change the front page and I can't so tracking down someone else who has super admin privilege is what's the hold up
[15:14] <akgraner> it's a lovely thing :-)  - I emailed newz and cc'd joey this morning
[15:15] <akgraner> brb
[19:04] <akgraner> cjohnston, ping
[19:57] <nhandler> akgraner: Need help with the ML still?
[21:27] <cjohnston> akgraner: pong


[01:31] <xu-help94w> HI
[01:31] <xu-help94w> I have a problem with headphones
[01:32] <xu-help94w> mareked as plagged in but with no sound
[09:28] <lol> hi
[14:49] <ikwyl6_> is there a support/user channel for synaptic/touchpad..? or is it just here..
[15:50] <gnrp> ikwyl6_: I don't know about a concrete channel, but you should be fine in any mor general linux channel
[15:50] <gnrp> e.g., #ubuntu will surely have more people knowing about your issue, since it is not xubuntu-specific
[15:51] <gnrp> I thought there was some kind of community for linux input stuff, but I don't remember
[15:51] <gnrp> ikwyl6_: Anyway, what is your problem?
[16:36] <ikwyl6_> gnrp: I have the touchpad turned off while typing.. but it doesn't always work.. I think it is picking a touch up when I may be hitting the four corners and then it moves the cursor somewhere else on the screen or another window...
[16:37] <ikwyl6_> there is a timer on that of 0.5s but it happens while I'm typing...
[16:38] <ikwyl6_> or it could be when both hands rub it the same time as I have the two finger scroll enabled so I don't know if synaptics has picked up that disable on the two finger scroll while typing...
[20:20] <dreamon> hello. why is gimp crashing by using a clipboard manager. marking part of a image and pressing ctrl-c .. bang crash