[07:01] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, I am currently running Ubuntu Studio Gusty, and would like to update to The Studio Hardy RC.
[07:02] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, I looked at the update manager, and it shows that a new release is available, but how do I know it won't update me to a standard Hardy RC
[07:02] <bjron> well, the liveCD doesn't work any better, so I don't think I hosed my network settings on my install
[07:02] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: What do you have now?  do you have ubuntustudio-desktop installed?
[07:02] <AdrianStrays> Topyli, No, Ubuntu Studio has a slightly modified kernel, one which is better at running musical programs
[07:02] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, I believe so
[07:02] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: Its still trivial to switch between the two
[07:03] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: then you'll upgrade to ubuntu studio
[07:03] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: Its all more or less the same anyway, all the same Distro, just different flavors.
[07:03] <teamcobra> adrian: I run the rt kernel on my ubuntu laptop too
[07:03] <Ronald> AdrianStrays: the flavours of ubuntu differ in a meta package being installed with certain dependencies... they make you get kde for kubuntu, gnome for ubuntu and all
[07:03] <teamcobra> there's a package, no worries
[07:03] <Flannel> but yes, ubuntustudio-desktop is the proper metapackage.
[07:03] <teamcobra> ls
[07:03] <topyli> AdrianStrays: better ask on #ubuntustudio though
[07:03] <teamcobra> erp, sorry
[07:04]  * DanaG  ¥€££S out loud.
[07:04] <AdrianStrays> Topyli, no one is ever on there.
[07:04] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: then take our word for it ;)
[07:04] <teamcobra> DanaG: you get paid?
[07:05] <DanaG> Naah, I'm just responding to somebody saying "1337" by saying "£€€T"
[07:05] <DanaG> ... and then finding the Yen symbol.
[07:05] <topyli> AdrianStrays: well the worst that could happen is you'll have to install the kernel and the desktop metapackage post-upgrade
[07:05] <bjron> teamcobra: how do you recommend I get 2.6.25?
[07:06] <teamcobra> bjron: do you run x86 or 64-bit?
[07:06] <topyli> AdrianStrays: looks like the standard ubuntu repositories have the ubuntustudio packages so your upgrade should be painless
[07:06] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, regardless of whether or not its trivial, the procress of going from studio-gusty, to hardy, to studio-hardy is more drawn out than going from studio-gusty to studio-hardy.  I am asking if I can do it one simple download, rather than having to spread it out.
[07:06] <Aval0n_> hey guys, what is the command to configure compiz?
[07:06] <Aval0n_> so I can enable/disable the cube etc...
[07:07] <Ronald> install compiz-config-manager something package
[07:07] <topyli> AdrianStrays: since you have ubuntustudio installed, i would assume that upgrade-manager will upgrade them
[07:07]  * Hobbsee suggests people help out with testing
[07:07] <bjron> teamcobra: the laptop in question is 32 bit
[07:07] <Aval0n_> i thought it was liks ccsm
[07:07] <Aval0n_> or something
[07:08] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: To go from studio to non-studio, you would have to install the ubuntu-desktop package, unless you do so, you won't.
[07:08] <teamcobra> bjron: cool, hang on for about 20 or so
[07:08] <bjron> k sounds good
[07:09] <teamcobra> I'm making an x86 package right now... nvidia in the laptop?
[07:09] <CaptMorgan> hey, just upgraded to 8.04 and have a quick question, under Appearance > Visual Effects the custom setting isnt there but Advanced Desktop Effects is in Prefrences, how can I make it use advanced compiz settings?
[07:09] <Aval0n_> exit
[07:09] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, so if it doesn't work that way and I come on here pouting, are you going to be ready to accept the whinning? :D
[07:09] <bjron> hmm, concievably, I could just build the ath5k module for the kernel I have right?
[07:09] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: It can't not work that way.  It works entirely based on metapackages.
[07:10] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, alright, alright. I trust you
[07:10] <AdrianStrays> Here we go....
[07:10] <topyli> AdrianStrays: and no, no whining is allowed :)
[07:11] <topyli> on +1 anyway. unstable versions are not supported
[07:11] <negge^> CaptMorgan: you'll have to install the compiz manager from synaptic
[07:11] <negge^> then there will be another item in the Preferences menu that lets you adjust everything
[07:11] <negge^> atleast that's how I did it
[07:12] <CaptMorgan> Negge^ - it is already installed, I updated I didnt do a fresh install so maybe uninstall and reinstall?
[07:12] <negge^> hmm then I'm not sure
[07:12] <topyli> CaptMorgan: it won't appear in the appearances dialog
[07:12] <negge^> only done fresh installs a couple of times
[07:12] <topyli> CaptMorgan: just run it from the menu
[07:12] <Ronald> CaptMorgan: does it show in the system>prefs menu?
[07:13] <negge^> it's supposed to be over or under Appearances
[07:14] <CaptMorgan> If I goto System > Preferences I can open and adjust the Advanced Desktop effects they just arent on, in 7.10 in Apperance I would choose Custom under visual effects
[07:14] <Ronald> just above
[07:14] <pen> is there other ways to make alsa use pulseaudio besides the perfect setup steps?
[07:14] <Ronald> advanced desktop effects settings
[07:15] <Ronald> if its not there, verify you have "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[07:15] <crdlb> you don't really need to set it to custom
[07:16] <pen> no other ways?
[07:19] <Ronald> simple-ccsm is nice too
[07:24] <sdakak> When is the release party? :-)
[07:31] <EvoxVIII> hello.
[07:31] <EvoxVIII> anyone here?
[07:31] <bjron> EvoxVIII: yes, ppl are here
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> ok.
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> I need some help with Hardy Heron
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> I used Wubi and installed Hardy with my Vista installation. everything is great and good.
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> But When I boot into Ubuntu it wont pick up my wifi card.
[07:33] <zcat[1]> !wifi
[07:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:33] <teamcobra> bjron: compiling, made sure ath5k was enabled ;)
[07:33] <zcat[1]> lots of wifi cards are still not well supported, not even in ubuntu :(
[07:34] <dystopianray> EvoxVIII: what wifi card do you have?
[07:34] <teamcobra> zcat: lots of new wifi drivers in 2.6.25 (just went through make xconfig for the git3 ver)
[07:34] <bjron> teamcobra: good deal.  Would be nice if I could figure out why the madwifi drivers aren't working for me though, for the sake of anyone else with the same issue
[07:34] <teamcobra> bjron: you have a newer card, I believe
[07:34] <EvoxVIII> ok that doesnt really help me.
[07:34] <teamcobra> lots of people w/ that chipset having probs w/ madwifi, ath5k solved it
[07:34] <teamcobra> evox: lspci
[07:34] <EvoxVIII> my card isnt listed.
[07:34] <teamcobra> to find your wifi card
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> ?
[07:35] <bjron> teamcobra: nah, the laptop is something like 4 years old at least
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> lspci?
[07:35] <teamcobra> in a terminal, type lspci
[07:35] <zcat[1]> what's frustrating though, my broadcom used to work pretty good in gutsy, I haven't been able to use it at all since hardy :( It can see the AP sometimes but never connects to it.
[07:35] <teamcobra> if it's a usb card, type lsusb
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> well I know what kind of card I have.
[07:35] <dystopianray> teamcobra: isn't ath5k the only new wifi driver in 2.6.25?
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> I have a Realtek
[07:35] <dystopianray> zcat[1]: are you using ndiswrapper?
[07:35] <teamcobra> dystopianray, I saw a new intel driver too w/ spectrum analysis and other cool stuff
[07:36] <dystopianray> teamcobra: oh really?
[07:36] <dystopianray> teamcobra: for what hardware?
[07:36] <bjron> zcat[1]: seems that's a common experience around here, unfortunately (mine was working in dapper, donno about the more recent releases)
[07:36] <teamcobra> dystopianray, didn't really look
[07:36] <EvoxVIII> and how do I edit the settings in Ubuntu.
[07:36] <teamcobra> evox: what model number is it
[07:36] <zcat[1]> nope. was using bcm43xx-firmware (from cafuego?) now there seems to be bcm43 and b43 modules... and eevrything is horribly broken. Not in a rush to fix it, I have a PCI card and a USB wifi adapter that still work :)
[07:36] <EvoxVIII> hold on.
[07:37] <dystopianray> zcat[1]: i'd recommend trying ndiswrapper
[07:37] <DanaG> b43-fwcutter is different from bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:37] <teamcobra> if it's an 8187, open a terminal, and type "sudo rmmod rtl8187 ; sudo modprobe rtl8187"  w/o quotes
[07:37] <DanaG> Beats me why the firwmare is different.
[07:37] <JPSman> So I am now using hardy, and my wireless options have truncated alot
[07:37] <teamcobra> zcat: what ver broadcom cards?
[07:38] <zcat[1]> screw ndis, I want to use free drivers as far as possible.. and the free drivers used to work, I just need to sort them out again and get the right firmware isntalled I think
[07:38] <teamcobra> yeh, ndiswrapper is evil
[07:38] <SuperQ> crap
[07:38] <teamcobra> zcat: what ver bcm cards? there was a patch that had to be regressed in the .24 series, fixed in .25 (bcm4311rev02 was affected)
[07:38] <SuperQ> speaking of wifi
[07:39] <dystopianray> ndiswrapper may be evil, but it works more times than the FOSS drivers do
[07:39] <zcat[1]> no idea.. not on the lappy right now..
[07:39] <SuperQ> it looks like iwl4965 (newer intel A/B/N card) drivers are somewhat out of date in hardy
[07:39] <teamcobra> dystopianray: and makes kernels panic
[07:39] <dystopianray> i've never seen that
[07:39] <px> so everytime i login i have to use xev to get my mouse wheel to work
[07:40] <zcat[1]> I'll probably end up doing a clean install when hardy's out anyhow, just to see how it goes
[07:40] <teamcobra> dystopianray: I've had 2 laptops that would crash every 3 hrs if ndiswrapper was used
[07:40] <teamcobra> and only 1 firmware would work properly w/ ndiswrapper
[07:40] <teamcobra> blech
[07:40] <SuperQ> teamcobra: :(
[07:40] <dystopianray> teamcobra: what wifi card were they using?
[07:40] <teamcobra> zcat: yeah, but if they're bcm4311rev02s, they're still no good in the final
[07:40] <EvoxVIII> hey teamcobra: I have a Realtek rtl8187B
[07:41] <zcat[1]> I just dislike ndis on principle.. I also remove fspot and tomboy from ubuntu as soon as I
[07:41] <teamcobra> broadcom bcm4311rev2
[07:41] <SuperQ> EvoxVIII: haha
[07:41] <zcat[1]> 've finished the isntall
[07:41] <teamcobra> evox: paste that line from earlier in a terminal
[07:41] <teamcobra> and see if the card workd
[07:41] <JPSman> Has anyone else noticed a huge decrease in the number of available wireless networks using 8.04?
[07:41] <teamcobra> works
[07:41] <patifa> No, I got a huge increase.
[07:41] <SuperQ> EvoxVIII: a friend had one of those in a cheap laptop.. USB thing.. ended up getting him a linksys external USB adapter
[07:41] <EvoxVIII> well that would mean I have to close windows and boot into ubuntu.
[07:41] <EvoxVIII> well mines not bad.
[07:41] <teamcobra> rtl8187s PWN
[07:42] <Lynoure> JPSman: No difference here
[07:42] <teamcobra> I have an alfa 500mw
[07:42] <EvoxVIII> It works great in my gateway.
[07:42] <Jaymac> teamcobra: no "l33t" speak please :)
[07:42] <teamcobra> jaymac: it's the only way to describe its raw power
[07:42] <Jaymac> hehe
[07:42] <teamcobra> Jaymac: wep in 52s
[07:43] <x1250> any download link for a minimal hardy installation iso? something like netinstall for debian...
[07:44] <dystopianray> x1250: i don't think there is such a thing
[07:44] <alex_mayorga> for poor broadcom range check Bug #124159
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124159 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Broadcom bcm43xx Wireless driver regression in gutsy" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124159
[07:44] <radoen> hello
[07:45] <alex_mayorga> largely ignored though
[07:45] <radoen> i've trouble whit a mouse on hurdy
[07:45] <radoen> in few word mouse don't work whit hurdy packager on kernel 2.6.24
[07:45] <teamcobra> alex: bcm43xx is replaced in hardy
[07:45] <teamcobra> by b43 and b43legacy
[07:46] <radoen> but whit the same package of hurdy but whit older gusty kernel all works
[07:46] <radoen> what can I do?
[07:46] <DanaG> Hardy seems to be full of regressions.
[07:46] <radoen> lol
[07:47] <teamcobra> that sounds like a module not being compiled in
[07:47] <Alex_Gaynor> I just upgraded a GG install to HH and the updater crashed most of the way through, my system booted fine and everything seems ok, except my grub menu has options for both the new kernel and the old one :( how would I fix this: http://dpaste.com/46449/
[07:47] <DanaG> Peopley are goingy to be havy-ing a hardy time dealingy with hardy.
[07:47] <alex_mayorga> teamcobra, we might reasign that bug then
[07:47] <alex_mayorga> the sensitivity of the card remains lame anyway
[07:47] <teamcobra> alex: give b43 or legacy, depending on your card a shot
[07:47] <teamcobra> they redid everything
[07:47] <teamcobra> and it's probably fixed
[07:48] <radoen> alex_mayorga do you know how can I fix the problem?
[07:48] <teamcobra> radoen: are you running 32 bit by chance?
[07:48] <radoen> yha I've 32 bit OS version
[07:48] <x1250> dystopianray: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[07:48] <x1250> :)
[07:49] <teamcobra> radoen: ok, give me a minute, I might have your fix
[07:49] <radoen> lol
[07:49] <radoen> thnk
[07:49] <alex_mayorga> teamcobra, I have a fully updated hardy here, what do you suggest?
[07:49] <teamcobra> I'm not sure if I added any new usb modules to the kernel, but fingers crossed
[07:49] <JPSman> A wireless AP has completely disappeared to my nm-applet, but I KNOW it's there.
[07:49] <teamcobra> alex: hrm, lsmod | grep bcm43xx
[07:49] <teamcobra> to see if bcm43xx is loaded
[07:49] <JPSman> i'm going to try something brb
[07:49] <teamcobra> if it is, rmmod it, and modprobe b43
[07:50] <teamcobra> and blacklist bcm43xx
[07:50] <radoen> ah teamcobra  i use ps2 mouse not an usb
[07:50] <alex_mayorga> I don't have bcm, been on b43 long ago
[07:50] <Alex_Gaynor> I just upgraded a GG install to HH and the updater crashed most of the way through, my system booted fine and everything seems ok, except my grub menu has options for both the new kernel and the old one :( how would I fix this: http://dpaste.com/46449/
[07:51] <DanaG> Leave it.  It's good to keep at least one old major-version kernel.
[07:51] <teamcobra> radoen: hrm, in a terminal, "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and check the mouse driver, set it to auto
[07:51] <Ronald> Alex_Gaynor: inunstall old kernel, its normal this way
[07:51] <teamcobra> alex: hrm..... not sure then, check launchpad for b43 bugs related to that module
[07:51] <Alex_Gaynor> Ronald: How would I do that(never had this before)?
[07:51] <Almindor> I personally don't use compiz but is it going to be unusable (without tweaks) for ati users?
[07:51] <teamcobra> good chance someone's caught it and it's being worked on, they've fixed a lot of tx/rx issues
[07:52] <Almindor> I got fglrx from packages, and I can't turn it on just like that
[07:52] <Alex_Gaynor> Ronald: alex@alex-desktop-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[07:52] <Alex_Gaynor> ?
[07:52] <radoen> Driver		"mouse"
[07:52] <Almindor> from what I understand ATI supports AIGLX in recent drivers
[07:52] <teamcobra> Almindor, yeah, it's a lot better
[07:52] <radoen> i've tu change it in "auto" ?
[07:52] <teamcobra> yes
[07:52] <radoen> k
[07:53] <siimo> im looking forward to upgrading to Intrepid Ibex O_O
[07:53] <Almindor> teamcobra, so why does the appearance manager refuse to turn on compiz?
[07:53] <Almindor> teamcobra, don't tell me the old blacklist still applies :)
[07:53] <teamcobra> almindor: the module probably isn't loaded
[07:53] <radoen> ok reboot and hope
[07:53] <teamcobra> check your xorg.conf and make sure it's fglrx in the driver section
[07:53] <Almindor> teamcobra, "mobule"? I got full 3d
[07:53] <teamcobra> rad:L wait
[07:53] <teamcobra> rad: control +alt+bkspc
[07:53] <teamcobra> will restart x, no rebooting ;)
[07:53] <Almindor> fglrx is loaded
[07:53] <teamcobra> almindor: then it should work
[07:54] <teamcobra> weird
[07:54] <Ronald> Almindor: works fine on my x1400
[07:54] <Ronald> out of th box
[07:54]  * Almindor has mobility x1600
[07:54] <Almindor> note: 64bit
[07:54] <radoen> teamcobra, I've to switch kernel version
[07:54] <Ronald> same chip...
[07:54] <teamcobra> still should work out of the box
[07:54] <teamcobra> rad: ohh yeah
[07:54] <Ronald> 64 bit eh
[07:54] <radoen> eheh
[07:54] <Ronald> i run 32
[07:54] <radoen> see you early
[07:54] <radoen> i hope
[07:54] <radoen> :)
[07:54] <teamcobra> k
[07:54] <bjron> teamcobra: build done yet?
[07:55] <Ronald> unless you run 4GB memory or more, not much disadvantage running 32bit
[07:55] <teamcobra> bj: still chunking on the amd athlon x2
[07:55] <Ronald> and better support that way
[07:55] <Almindor> teamcobra, Ronald http://pastebin.com/d7fbac8b0http://pastebin.com/d7fbac8b0
[07:55] <bjron> k
[07:55] <Almindor> notice that last line
[07:55] <JPSman> sure enough - its the kernal version.  The newest Kernal for some reason blocks most of my APs from being seen
[07:55] <teamcobra> I run 32 for ASIO in wine
[07:55] <teamcobra> only reason I run 32bit
[07:55] <Almindor> /usr/bin/compiz I reinstalled (deleted manually re-installed compiz packages) and yes the /usr/local/bin path is in the script
[07:55] <JPSman> Under what section can I report this?
[07:56] <bjron> teamcobra: might head to bed soon - this going to show up in the repos soon?  or where can I get it?
[07:56] <Locky> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
[07:56] <teamcobra> Almindor: make sure the compiz package is enabled
[07:56] <teamcobra> bjron: nop, not going to be in repos
[07:56] <Almindor> teamcobra, it's installed if that's what you mean, the extension is on in xorg.conf too
[07:57] <Almindor> teamcobra, note however that there's no /usr/local/bin/compiz :)
[07:57] <teamcobra> /usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[07:57] <pen> anyone here using audacity??
[07:57] <Almindor> teamcobra, yes but that's a problem of the scripot
[07:57] <Almindor> teamcobra, no package installs anything to /usr/local
[07:57] <teamcobra> ahh right
[07:57] <teamcobra> why's it looking for xgl and not aiglx?
[07:58] <kahrytan> WoW. DCC send?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: staff are on it
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, good question too
[07:58] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: yeah, explit
[07:58] <Hobbsee> er, exploit
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, perhaps the x86_64 one is borked
[07:58] <teamcobra> almindor: try installing ccsm
[07:58] <teamcobra> and maybe reinstalling compiz
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, simple-ccsm?
[07:58] <teamcobra> uhm, I think
[07:58] <Ronald> teamcobra: doesn't do a thing while he's still on metacity
[07:58] <teamcobra> unless they're is ccsm
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, I reinstalled compiz before, even deleted the /usr/bin/compiz before to ensure it's new
[07:59] <teamcobra> Ronald: I'm puzzled, maybe you can help
[07:59] <teamcobra> (I don't use ati)
[07:59] <Ronald> well my laptop is on ati
[07:59] <Almindor> 64bit?
[08:00] <Ronald> which i'm setting up on its evil windows side atm... and its a 32bit core(1) duo
[08:00] <insomninja> Is it only me or does anybody else experience firefox constantly freesing in 5-10s time chunks?
[08:00] <Almindor> insomninja, I'm getting odd hdd/cpu 100% activities lately, not sure if it's ff related tho
[08:01] <Almindor> gtg
[08:01] <teamcobra> almin: wait
[08:01] <Almindor> what
[08:01] <Ronald> Almindor: sorry, cannot help you with 64bitness.... you sure fglrx is being used ? (check restricted driver manager)
[08:01] <teamcobra> you're using the legacyhuman theme and not human
[08:01] <teamcobra> might be the problem
[08:01] <insomninja> Almindor, I get a lot of ata2.00 messages too
[08:01]  * Almindor doesn't have the theme selected, I use clearlooks AFAIK
[08:02] <Ronald> don't think the theme is the issue. both compiz and metacity will run the same theme afaik
[08:02] <kahrytan> The best human theme is HumanLooks GTK.
[08:02] <teamcobra> Ronald: yeah, but there are a bunch of theme errors in his pastebin
[08:02] <Almindor> yup, uninstalled it and it doesn't work
[08:02] <Almindor> IMHO it's a 64bit issue
[08:02] <Almindor> some packaging difference perhaps
[08:02] <teamcobra> almindor: it looks 100% like a config issue
[08:03] <teamcobra> 110%
[08:03] <Almindor> I didn't use compiz before
[08:03] <Almindor> never tweaked it
[08:03] <Almindor> but it is an update from 7.10 so who knows
[08:03] <kahrytan> Hobbsee->  ever try HUmanLooks theme?
[08:03] <Almindor> anycase, gtg
[08:03] <Almindor> will be back later, thanks for trying :)
[08:03] <radoen> re-hello
[08:04] <radoen> teamcobra, nothing to do
[08:04] <radoen> mouse don't work
[08:04] <radoen> I've a dmseg | grep mouse output
[08:04] <radoen> can help?
[08:04] <kahrytan> Anyone else run into the 800x600 bug in fullscreen games?
[08:04] <teamcobra> hrmmmmmm
[08:05] <radoen> !pastebin
[08:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[08:05] <radoen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64081/
[08:05] <teamcobra> radoen, whoops, I think that needs to be "Auto" or try "ImPS/2"
[08:06] <radoen> I've set to "auto" but it dont work
[08:06] <teamcobra> sorry for the typo, try the "ImPS/2" first
[08:06] <teamcobra> I think it needs to have the cap :(
[08:06] <radoen> I've try whint end whitout cap
[08:06] <JPSman> wow launchpad is good at suggesting problems.  Turns out that Kernel 2.6.24 is very buggy with rt2x00 drivers :O(
[08:06] <radoen> don't work
[08:07] <teamcobra> cat /dev/input/mice    and move the mouse around
[08:07] <teamcobra> nvm
[08:07] <teamcobra> doesn't work so well
[08:07] <radoen> work
[08:08] <teamcobra> it did? ok, check your xorg.conf again and make sure the device under mouse is /dev/input/mice
[08:09] <radoen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64082/
[08:09] <teamcobra> and try setting "ImPS/2"   .... if that doesn't work, it's a kernel-related prob
[08:09] <radoen> currently is this
[08:09] <phazeman> can someone please post a keyborad configuration part of xorg.conf with more then 1 language configured ? thanks a lot in advance
[08:10] <teamcobra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64084/
[08:10] <teamcobra> (for radoen)
[08:10] <radoen> dome rebbot
[08:11] <radoen> *done
[08:11] <teamcobra> k
[08:12] <JPSman> So I have opted to run the Kernel 2.6.22 for Hardy (because I can use the internet this way) and my graphic res has failed :OP   how can I re-install the graphics portion of Gutsy?
[08:13] <patifa> Have you first tried booting into recovery mode from grub then doing an fix on X11 from the menu?
[08:15] <JPSman> patifa: ?   No I havn't.  How do I do a 'fix' ?  (how do you pronounce that    xeleven?)
[08:15] <patifa> Do you know how to load the grub boot menu upon startup?  It'll either appear if you're dual-booting or you'll get one of those 3 seconds until autoboot, I think, if you only have ubuntu booting.
[08:16] <JPSman> yeah i can grub, but I have never done a safe mode before
[08:16] <patifa> here let me find out exactly what the menu will say
[08:16] <JPSman> :OD   thank you patifa
[08:17] <patifa> so yeah, Escape enters grub menu
[08:17] <JPSman> is it text based?
[08:17] <patifa> yeah
[08:17] <patifa> but there's nothing to type
[08:17] <teamcobra> just hit down and enter
[08:17] <teamcobra> ;p
[08:17] <radoen> I'm back
[08:17] <radoen> nothng
[08:17] <teamcobra> radoen, good news?
[08:17] <teamcobra> auuugh
[08:17] <radoen> don't work
[08:17] <radoen> a question
[08:18] <teamcobra> yes?
[08:18] <patifa> yeah what teamcobra.  When grub launches by hitting escape, you'll get a text menu.  Pick the "(recovery mode)"
[08:18] <patifa> *what teamcobra said
[08:18] <radoen> I've try to cat mouse aoutput at /dev/input/mice or mouse0
[08:18] <radoen> and no out here
[08:18] <radoen> I've red dmseg |grep mouse
[08:18] <JPSman> Patifa: how can i repair X11 once its loaded?
[08:18] <radoen> and
[08:18] <patifa> Anyways JPSman, I'll boot, probably with a lot of text.
[08:19] <JPSman> K
[08:19] <teamcobra> radoen: boot into the new kernel, and type dmesg in a console
[08:19] <teamcobra> see if there are any mouse-related module errors
[08:19] <teamcobra> it seems like a module isn't loaded that should be
[08:19] <patifa> it's all the text normally hidden by the splash screen.  You'll end up eventually on a blueish screen with a white menu.
[08:19] <radoen> [   21.470221] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input0
[08:19] <radoen> [   21.474877] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[08:19] <radoen> only these 2 have the work mouse in
[08:19] <radoen> *word
[08:19] <JPSman> Patifa: ok
[08:19] <patifa> Your choices will be, 'resume', 'root', and 'xfix'
[08:19] <teamcobra> radoen: yes and your mouse works right now, right?
[08:20] <radoen> but device /devices/virtual/input/input0 do not exsist
[08:20] <teamcobra> (you're in the good kernel, so to speak?)
[08:20] <radoen> yes now yes
[08:20] <radoen> yha now I'm under
[08:20] <teamcobra> right.... now reboot into the bad one, and dmesg
[08:20] <teamcobra> make note of those 2 mice
[08:20] <radoen>  2.6.22-14-generic
[08:20] <teamcobra> see if both of those mice pop up in the bad kernel
[08:20] <patifa> Pick 'xfix', let it do it's thing.  Then pick 'resume'.  Ubuntu normal boots.  If it 'still' fails, there's some other things to try, but that one is one of your better bets.
[08:20] <radoen> and dmseg on this kernel is
[08:21] <radoen> [   20.527524] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input0
[08:21] <radoen> [   20.528300] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[08:21] <radoen> on the other kernel output is the first that i've past here
[08:21] <patifa> So, that's Esc to enter grub if it doesn't already, pick the "(recovery mode)" one.  Wait for boot.  Pick xfix, wait for it to hopefully fix X11 (the graphical subsystem), then pick resume.
[08:21] <JPSman> Thanks Patifa, im off to try it
[08:22] <teamcobra> ok, in the good kernel, do an lsmod
[08:22] <teamcobra> and look for mice-related modules
[08:22] <radoen> radoen@cameretta:~$ lsmod |grep mouse
[08:22] <radoen> psmouse                39952  0
[08:22] <radoen> only that
[08:22] <teamcobra> in the bad one, you'll have to sudo modprobe mousemodulename , and use dmesg to look at the output if it fails
[08:23] <teamcobra> ok, in the bad kernel, sudo modprobe psmouse and see if it fixes it
[08:23] <radoen> ok
[08:23] <radoen> reboot and try
[08:23] <radoen> FS ceck is coming
[08:23] <radoen> XD
[08:23] <radoen> too many reboot
[08:26] <mrtimdog> Hi, is there a way of changing gnome panel applet foregrounds (window list, clock, etc.)?
[08:26] <mrtimdog> I've tried suggested ways from Google of changing .gtkrc.mine, but no luck.
[08:27] <patifa> what do you mean by foregrounds?
[08:29] <mrtimdog> The text colour.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> you do change .gtkrc, then restart the gnome-panel
[08:30] <zniavre> you should add >fg[NORMAL]			= "#f5f4f0" to panel style
[08:30] <patifa> There's a GUI for that, too.
[08:30] <zniavre> for something white    >#000000 for black
[08:30] <zniavre> gnome-color-chooser is a good tweaking tools
[08:30] <radoen> eheheheh
[08:31] <radoen> don't work
[08:31] <patifa> System > Prefs > Appearance > Theme tab > Customize button > Colors tab
[08:31] <radoen> the module arent compiled/present in kernel 2.6.24-generic from ubuntu hurdy official repository
[08:31] <mrtimdog> Thanks all. I'll try playing eith gtkrc again, maybe I've done something wrong in it!
[08:32] <radoen> but the thing is a bit strange
[08:32] <mrtimdog> patifa: That could be easier, hang on...
[08:32] <radoen> teamcobra, are you here yet?
[08:32] <patifa> basically, customize a theme (like Human)
[08:32] <vega--> what, no "when is hardy out?" question visible on my screen? there must be something seriously wrong..
[08:33] <teamcobra> yea
[08:33] <radoen> have you read?
[08:33] <teamcobra> yep, that's the problem then
[08:33] <teamcobra> brb
[08:33] <radoen> but it's a bit impossible
[08:33] <cpk1> one more day guys!
[08:33] <radoen> why noone have reported the bug firstly?
[08:34] <radoen> if the module is missing no one mouse could be work on hurdy
[08:34] <mrtimdog> patifa: Ah ok, that works, but it changed the foreground colour of *all* theme text, my windows are still a light colour, so I can't read the text on those, but I can read the panel text!!
[08:34] <radoen> or i'm wrong?
[08:35] <radoen> and sorry for my homebrew english
[08:37] <JPSman> Just how bad is it to run Hardy on Kernel 2.6.22 ?
[08:37] <teamcobra> radoen: I just looked in my current kernel config, and it's built
[08:37] <patifa> no go JPSman?
[08:37] <teamcobra> hrm hrm hrm
[08:37] <radoen> impossible
[08:37] <JPSman> Patifa: no it worked just fine :OD
[08:37] <radoen> i'va download the kernel yestrday
[08:37] <radoen> from tehe official repository
[08:37] <radoen> *the
[08:37] <teamcobra> radoen: try reinstalling the kernel package/modules again
[08:38] <radoen> ok
[08:38] <teamcobra> I do remember a 2nd kernel release yesterday
[08:38] <mrtimdog> Hobbsee and/or zniavre: Any chance of an example gtkrc file?
[08:38] <teamcobra> so it might've been because of that and you got unlucky
[08:38] <JPSman> Patifa: Im just using 2.6.22 Kernel because 2.6.24 is very driver buggy for my rt2500 wireless card
[08:38] <JPSman> So again is it bad to run Hardy on 2.6.22 ?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog:
[08:38] <Hobbsee> style "panel"
[08:38] <Hobbsee> {
[08:39] <Hobbsee> fg[NORMAL] = "#ffffff"
[08:39] <Hobbsee> and then the rest as normal
[08:39] <Hobbsee> ie, uncomment, then change the value
[08:40] <mrtimdog> Hobbsee: So no lines of ilk: widget "*PanelApplet*" style "panel" ?
[08:40] <radoen> what is kernel package name
[08:40] <mrtimdog> Hobbsee: The rest I already have.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog: oh yeah, all that is at the bottom
[08:40] <radoen> fond
[08:41] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog: sec
[08:42] <radoen> reinstalling in progress
[08:43] <teamcobra> cool
[08:45] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog: http://hobbsee.com/tmp/.gtkrc-2.0
[08:46] <mrtimdog> Hobbsee: Thanks, although, just been playing with gnome-color-chooser which seems to do a good job of it :)
[08:46] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:48] <radoen> reboot
[08:50] <JackWinter> argh.  i have a 2:nd hdd in my system. now i want to repartition it.  in system settings->disk & filesystems i can't delete the partitions.  what suprises me is that they don't show as mounted.  when i go to konquror is see 2 of the 3 parts in /media as mounted.  here i can unmount them, but it changes nothing.  installed qtparted, but it can't start...  8.04 from 12hours ago here.  mount shows 2 of the 3 partitions mounted, but if i unmount them in
[08:50] <JackWinter> konq the don|t show anymore.  still can't partition..
[08:50] <DanaG> How do I take my color selection overrides from gnome and apply them into the gtkrc as default for a theme?
[08:50] <DanaG> I want to save my theme, but it includes a color override.
[08:51] <teamcobra> jack: unmount the drive, sudo gparted /dev/hdX  X= drive number
[08:51] <JackWinter> this is on kubuntu hardy
[08:51] <dany_21a> JackWinter: enter "mount" in a konsole, to check if any part is still mounted
[08:51] <radoen> ahahhaah
[08:51] <radoen> teamcobra, works!!!!!!!!!
[08:51] <teamcobra> yaaaaayy
[08:51] <radoen> radoen@cameretta:~$ uname -a
[08:51] <radoen> Linux cameretta 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:52] <teamcobra> beautiful ;)
[08:52] <radoen> thanks for the support
[08:52] <teamcobra> no problem
[08:52] <radoen> and sorry for homebrew english
[08:52] <teamcobra> it's ok
[08:52] <teamcobra> enjoy the working box :)
[08:53] <JackWinter> dany_21a: they are no longer mounted.  unmounted from /media with konq but i still can't repartition
[08:53] <DanaG> !gksu
[08:53] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[08:54] <khaije1> hi, anyone had trouble w/ the nvidia driver?
[08:54] <DanaG> bug 188226
[08:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[08:55] <JackWinter> don't know if significant but run the rt kernel...
[08:55] <cpk1> JackWinter: you try running kdesu qtparted /dev/sdX like teamcobra said after unmounting?
[08:56] <khaije1> it looks like sound isnt working eiither
[08:57] <teamcobra> khaije1, running the latest released kernel (double-check)
[08:57] <JackWinter> cool that start qparted.  why the kdesu ?  never had to do that in 7.10?
[08:57] <teamcobra> cause only root can partition drives
[08:58] <teamcobra> cpk: thanks for fixing my syntax
[08:58] <teamcobra> it's late here, making 2.6.25 packages
[09:00] <cpk1> teamcobra: no problem half the time I forget to use kdesu anyways =P
[09:00] <cpk1> JackWinter: kdesu is for graphical interfaces to be run as root
[09:04] <khaije1> teamcobra: itś from yesterday, but ie updated everything, is that equivalent?
[09:04] <DanaG> I wish this bug would get more attention!
[09:04] <DanaG> bug 188226 !!!!!!!!
[09:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[09:04] <eldavio> hi all :D
[09:05] <teamcobra> khaije1, and you just did a "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade" ?
[09:05] <JackWinter> cpk1: yes i know, but can't remember ever having to use it with qtparted before?  does that mean that the k-menu entry is wrong.  should i report that somewhere? the command in the kde menu editor is qtparted-root and it's checked to run as another user but no user name
[09:06] <teamcobra> just had someone w/ a mouse module problem related to a slightly older kernel/modules package
[09:06] <teamcobra> same version, not same package
[09:07] <Andycasss> With 8.04 my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally, it keeps throwing me the gnome errors on bootup, something to do with power....
[09:07] <cpk1> JackWinter:  I have no clue
[09:07] <JackWinter> cpk1: i just installed qtparted with adept from the hardy beta dist
[09:08] <JackWinter> cpk1: ok, neither do i.  thanks for the help in any case
[09:09] <khaije1> teamcobra: yes
[09:09] <teamcobra> khaije1: lsmod and look for your sound drivers, try reloading them if they;re loaded
[09:10] <khaije1> k
[09:13] <TeslaTony> I would like to get madwifi working under 8.04. Can the tutorial I used on my 7.10 system work for 8.04 as well?
[09:14] <khaije1> it looks like itś all loaded
[09:14] <khaije1> teamcobra: this is odd, never had a problem before
[09:15] <teamcobra> and double-clicking on the volume control gives you a gstreamer error?
[09:16] <DanaG> Worst naming ever: madwifi.  drivers are ath_hal and ath_pci.  Since when does "ath" sound anything like "mad"?
[09:16]  * DanaG goes off and acts like an Ath Scientist ... and hacks at his Madtheros card.
[09:17] <DanaG> See?   I would be surprised if any madwifi devs were here, but who knows
[09:17] <khaije1> teamcobra: no, it presents no errors
[09:18] <Lynoure> It's Atheros, so obvious enough to me at least
[09:18] <teamcobra> khaje: and it's not muted and all turned up?
[09:18] <teamcobra> it seems the sound drivers are working if the vol sliders come up
[09:19] <khaije1> teamcobra: im at a loss, i would guess itś pulse, but i never had difficulty w/ it on gutsy
[09:19] <teamcobra> khaje: double click on an audio file
[09:19] <teamcobra> and see if it plays
[09:20] <teamcobra> it might be the particular program you're using that isn't playing nice w/ pulse, padsp will fix that
[09:20] <khaije1> i can see that it does, but hear no sound
[09:20] <teamcobra> khaije: *shrug,* try rebooting, I've had it happen to me before and a reboot fixed it
[09:21] <teamcobra> hasn't happened in a few weeks though
[09:21] <khaije1> ive tried a few, plus the gnome sound setup testing playback buttons
[09:21] <teamcobra> your sound modules might need reloading
[09:21] <teamcobra> is esd enabled (should be)?
[09:21] <khaije1> i´m going to reinstall w/ kubuntu, i wonder if that would make a diff
[09:21] <khaije1> it wasnt by default, but i turned it on
[09:22] <khaije1> so the beta´s can dist-upgrade into the final release, right?
[09:22] <teamcobra> toggle esd and try it, but I think your sound modules just need reloading
[09:37] <Fritzel> does anyone know of a way to force my cdrom to read a track on an audio cd whether it recognizes it or not? my dvdrom won't read anything and I'm trying to use a cd cleaner but it keeps telling me it's blank
[09:38] <e\spen> anyone experiencing trouble connecting to Belkin routers after upgrade(after reboot i cant connect to the wireless system, eventhoug everything seams normal, and it works perfect on other routers!)
[09:39] <ibleed> e\spen, its odd that you say that.  with hardy i have been disconnected from my linksys wrt150n router a number of times.  it requires me to power off and cycle my modem to fix.  i have been unsure whether its hardy or my isp having problems
[09:40] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phoen jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:46] <e\spen> ibleed, all other networks i try to connect works excellent, and on the same router i tested vista and xp right after and they worked perfekt so strongly belive its something with the "belkin" connection somehow, because it works fine in 7.1 but if i upgrade AND restart it will not connect to the belkin router
[09:50] <Fritzel> does anyone know what could cause my dvdrom to return "/dev/scd0: writable, no read permission" from 'file -s /dev/scd0'
[09:51] <dystopianray> Fritzel: your user not having read permissions on that device
[09:52] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phone jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: This is the channel for Hardy Heron, the soon-to-be-released new version of Ubuntu. For general Ubuntu help, including Gutsy and previous releases, you should be asking in #ubuntu
[09:53] <doug2266778822> ccooke: i have no one will help me.
[09:54] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  is heron out yet the beta one? if so does the sound work in it?
[09:54] <e\spen> ibleed, all other networks i try to connect works excellent, and on the same router i tested vista and xp right after and they worked perfekt so strongly belive its something with the "belkin" connection somehow, because it works fine in 7.1 but if i upgrade AND restart it will not connect to the belkin router
[09:54] <Helvasca-> hey
[09:55] <ccooke> doug2266778822: it's possible that everyone was busy.
[09:55] <dystopianray> doug2266778822: a hardy release candidate has been released, the final will be out tomorrow
[09:55] <Helvasca-> * Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald
[09:55] <Helvasca-> `invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
[09:55] <doug2266778822> dystopianray: can i do a upgrade through command line? or no.
[09:56] <Helvasca-> I can't work out how to fix it! I've tried dpkg --configure -a
[09:56] <ccooke> doug2266778822: you can upgrade from the normal GUI update manager
[09:56] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  will i lose any saved data?
[09:56] <ccooke> from tomorrow (or shortly thereafter) the new distribution upgrade will appear on your update manager.
[09:57] <Fritzel> dystopianray, that's not the case I tried sudo file -s /dev/sdc0 and it said the same thing, any other suggestions?
[09:57] <Helvasca-> Anyone have ideas?
[09:57] <ibleed> sorry about the reconnects.  i'm having some serious issues with firefox in hardy.  when i type CTRL-F then the 's' key to search for a string that starts with 's' my gnome x session is halted, then i have to relogin to gdm and into gnome again.  anyone heard of this problem before ?
[09:57] <dystopianray> Fritzel: are you having an actual issue with the device? an inability to burn or mount cds?
[09:57] <Fritzel> the inability to read any media
[09:57] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Depends on your system. Upgrading is a safe process (I've never once lost data; my 70-year-old dad hasn't had trouble with it)
[09:58] <Fritzel> dystopianray, the drive itsself is recognized fine
[09:58] <Fritzel> dystopianray, in all os's
[09:58] <doug2266778822> ccooke: i really would like to get it now since i have to do some work and i need my head phones to do the work with.
[09:58] <dystopianray> Fritzel: is your user in the cdrom group?
[09:58] <Fritzel> yes
[09:58] <dystopianray> Fritzel: what are the actual permissions on the device?
[09:58] <Fritzel> dystopianray, brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-04-23 04:31 scd0
[09:58] <ccooke> doug2266778822: However, if you've modified your system a lot (installed a large number of third-party debs, changed the startup process, etc) the upgrade may have problems.
[09:59] <dystopianray> Fritzel: if you are in the cdrom group then you have read and write access to the device
[09:59] <Helvasca-> My hardware abstraction layer is failing to start.
[09:59] <Fritzel> dystopianray, which means what then? the problem is either on a bios or hardware level?
[09:59] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Upgrading to hardy will take around 1-2 hours, depending on your system. If you want to, be aware that it's still not the final release for another day, so you're still taking *some* risk
[09:59] <dystopianray> Fritzel: have you tried rebooting the computer?
[09:59] <Fritzel> yes
[10:00] <ccooke> doug2266778822: if you feel that's acceptable, hit alt-f2 and run 'update-manager -c -d'
[10:00] <dystopianray> Fritzel: are you absolutely certain that you are in the 'cdrom' group?
[10:00] <Fritzel> $ groups
[10:00] <Fritzel> mhollisjr adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev games fuse lpadmin admin vboxusers
[10:00] <Fritzel> dystopianray, positive
[10:00] <christian__> hi
[10:00] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  thank you.
[10:01] <dystopianray> Fritzel: is there a particular program that is giving you trouble?
[10:01] <christian__> does anybody know how to boot ubuntu 8.04 of the hdd without burning a cd?
[10:01] <christian__> via grub?
[10:01] <Fritzel> dystopianray, no it's global
[10:01] <Helvasca-> Why wont anyone answer?
[10:01] <Fritzel> dystopianray, across boots, and operating systems
[10:01] <ccooke> doug2266778822: it's really a very good process. There *are* risks, of course, since the upgrade has to make some assumptions
[10:01] <dystopianray> Fritzel: oh, other operating systems can't read media either?
[10:02] <Fritzel> dystopianray, corret
[10:02] <Fritzel> correct
[10:02] <dystopianray> Fritzel: that has nothign to do with ubuntu then, your drive is broken
[10:02] <Fritzel> :/
[10:02] <dystopianray> Fritzel: or there is some hardware compatibility issue preventing it from working
[10:02] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  as long as the head phones work i will be very happy
[10:02] <Fritzel> when I do a 'file -s /dev/scd0' how does it pull that information?
[10:03] <Fritzel> is it from the device, the bios or the os?
[10:03] <ccooke> doug2266778822: on the other hand, a week and a half ago I was able to upgrade an old laptop from 6.10 to 8.04. That *did* require some handholding, mind, but after about three and a half hours it was fully working and upgraded.
[10:03] <dystopianray> Fritzel: from the filesystem
[10:04] <Fritzel> dystopianray, which states that permissions are correct so that means it's a lower level problem correct? which would you say is more likely? bios setting or hardware?
[10:04] <dystopianray> Fritzel: i already told you, something is wrong with your hardware
[10:05] <christian__> knowbody knows how to boot an iso image of ubuntu via grub?
[10:05] <Fritzel> dystopianray, yes I know but I'm in denial ><
[10:08] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  what if this does not fix my head phone prob?
[10:13] <Helvasca-> ahhhhhhh
[10:14] <Helvasca-> This is driving me up the wall
[10:14] <_Rambaldi_> is there a net stumbler for ubuntu?
[10:15] <dystopianray> _Rambaldi_: try kismet
[10:16] <_Rambaldi_> its not really straight forward
[10:17] <dystopianray> where are you having trouble?
[10:17] <dystopianray> also what wifi card do you have?
[10:17] <dystopianray> and what driver are you using?
[10:17] <_Rambaldi_> its on boared i believe its atheros drivers
[10:18] <_Rambaldi_> i am not sure which i have to install, kismet_client or server
[10:18] <dystopianray> install both
[10:19] <kahrytan> I hope they fix the 800x600 resolution fullscreen game bug in hardy
[10:19] <dystopianray> kahrytan: what is the bug?
[10:20] <kahrytan> Out of Range  bug when say a game uses 800x600 by default
[10:20] <kahrytan> fullscreen
[10:20] <dystopianray> on what video card?
[10:20] <kahrytan> nvidia?
[10:21] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I googled it. others have the problem it seems
[10:22] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I know, thus far. ET and Extreme Tux Racer are effected. Both use config files so I changed it that way
[10:23] <dystopianray> kahrytan: does it occur only with nvidia's binary drivers?
[10:23] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> yes
[10:23] <kahrytan> didnt try it without it
[10:23] <kahrytan> is there another way?
[10:24] <dystopianray> another way to what?
[10:24] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  fyi, desktop can display 800x600
[10:24] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Set Screen Resolution, then no error from monitor
[10:25] <dystopianray> kahrytan: is it only 800x600 that is affected?
[10:25] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  what if this does not fix my head phone prob?
[10:26] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Tell me what to do and ill try it
[10:27] <dystopianray> kahrytan: try 1024x768 fullscreen
[10:27] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I did just set Screen Resolution applet to 800x600 and ran Extreme Tux Racer... it didnt pop up error
[10:27] <kahrytan> 1024x... works
[10:27] <dystopianray> kahrytan: and 640x480?
[10:28] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  no problem
[10:28] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  why so many ques?
[10:28] <dystopianray> kahrytan: well i assume you want help solving the problem?
[10:29] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I know its a bug
[10:30] <Joelio> hey guys, having an issue with my Dell d630 when on battery power.  I've got diagnostics here.
[10:30] <dystopianray> i'm just trying to find out more details about it
[10:30] <Joelio> http://www.connectedup.co.uk/battery/
[10:30] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  Setting resolution to 800x600, then opening a game in full screen. Fine. Any other, bug comes
[10:31] <Joelio> I've also posted here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4760639
[10:31] <Joelio> Anybody else seeing this issue?
[10:31] <dystopianray> kahrytan: it only happens if the desktop resolution is not also 800x600?
[10:31] <ccooke> doug2266778822: if it doesn't, we can go through some diagnostics. Or, you could try asking again in #ubuntu instead of upgrading
[10:31] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  it would seem so
[10:31] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I tried some higher ones but below my native reso
[10:31] <dystopianray> ok
[10:32] <kahrytan> tried 1280x..
[10:32] <dystopianray> kahrytan: is there a bug report about it?
[10:32] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  not sure how to search for it
[10:32] <dystopianray> kahrytan: you said you found reports of others with the same problem, where are they?
[10:33] <kahrytan> ubuntuforums.. i think
[10:33] <dystopianray> get some links
[10:33] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  i got a half a min before done with downloading the upgrade
[10:33] <doug2266778822> ccooke: then i got the install
[10:33] <doug2266778822> i will try this route
[10:34] <doug2266778822> if it dont work i guess i am back to windows.
[10:34] <ccooke> tell me - did the headphones work before?
[10:35] <doug2266778822> yes on xp they dod
[10:35] <doug2266778822> did
[10:35] <Joelio> Seriously, nobody else seeing this issue of temporary freezing when on battery?
[10:35] <doug2266778822> and they wokred on here as well half pluged in till i rebooted
[10:36] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=762589&highlight=Out+of+Range+games (wine? unsure)
[10:36] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=746366&highlight=Out+of+Range+games
[10:36] <topyli> my laptop simply turns of when on battery
[10:36] <topyli> iz dead :(
[10:37] <dystopianray> kahrytan: it doesn't seem to be a very widespread problem
[10:38] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  i just do not get why restarting would make it stop working
[10:38] <ccooke> doug2266778822: half plugged in?
[10:39] <ccooke> doug2266778822: well, try after the upgrade finishes
[10:39] <doug2266778822> ccooke: yes just half way inserted them and they worked fine till i rebooted then they stoped
[10:39] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  Any ideas?
[10:39] <dystopianray> kahrytan: no, sorry
[10:39] <dystopianray> kahrytan: If I get the issue when I install hardy i'll be able to investigate more
[10:40] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  what!? you didnt install it?
[10:40] <doug2266778822> ccooke: how big of a dif is the upgrade?
[10:40] <dystopianray> kahrytan: not yet, i'll install tomorrow
[10:40] <ccooke> doug2266778822: new versions of every single package on your system, including a newer kernel and version of gnome
[10:41] <ccooke> doug2266778822: six months of changes, of which about 3-4 months would be people finding ways to improve everything
[10:41] <topyli> doug2266778822: as big as your system is
[10:41] <topyli> every package will be updated
[10:42] <doug2266778822> ccooke: i also dont rly see how either now or tomorrow would make a dif i mean its just a few hours longer not much. how many more bugs can there be
[10:42] <topyli> doug2266778822: it doesn't matter at all
[10:42] <ccooke> doug2266778822: it only takes one... :-)
[10:43] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  lol well i been having them one after another since last nite
[10:43] <doug2266778822> and topyli ah ok
[10:43] <ccooke> (but as topyli says - the system now is pretty much there)
[10:43] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  should i report it or can find related bug?
[10:43] <topyli> doug2266778822: you'll get another batch of updates tomorrow
[10:44] <doug2266778822> will this over ride my exte 3 mount with read/write privs?
[10:44] <dystopianray> kahrytan: yes you should
[10:44] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> how?
[10:45] <dystopianray> kahrytan: bugs.launchpad.net
[10:45] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> under?
[10:45] <doug2266778822> topyli:  if the headphone jack dont work after this or tomorrows updates then what?
[10:45] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Nividia and ubuntu?
[10:45] <topyli> doug2266778822: then it doesn't work
[10:45] <dystopianray> kahrytan: yeah that'll do
[10:46] <topyli> doug2266778822: either it's broken or there's an ubuntu bug
[10:46] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  but i need to know right package names
[10:46] <ccooke> doug2266778822: one question - have you tried it in windows *since* it stopped working?
[10:46] <topyli> kahrytan: launchpad has a search box
[10:46] <doug2266778822> has to be a bug then
[10:46] <topyli> doug2266778822: please report it then
[10:47] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  yes i even used vmware and it ran in that from here as well
[10:47] <kahrytan> topyli->  And launchpad search sucks.. i wish it was more like google.
[10:47] <doug2266778822> topyli: i will when done upgrading.
[10:47] <topyli> kahrytan: in other words, better :)
[10:47] <ccooke> doug2266778822: vmware under Windows or under Ubuntu?
[10:47] <doug2266778822> ccooke: ubuntu
[10:48] <kahrytan> topyli->  launchpad sucks is worse then google
[10:48] <topyli> kahrytan: that's what i mean. if it were more like google it would be better
[10:48] <topyli> it doesn't "suck" though
[10:48] <ccooke> doug2266778822: ahh
[10:48] <ccooke> doug2266778822: have you tried checking the volume control?
[10:48] <kahrytan> topyli->  how do you fil bug under multiple packages ..  At least they try.
[10:50] <doug2266778822> topyli: YIPES my system has most nvidia lol
[10:50] <topyli> kahrytan: they do? where's the source? just report their bugs to them
[10:51] <Lynoure> kahrytan: "at least they try" = they don't offer specs, damn hard for anyone else to try...
[10:51] <doug2266778822> dang i could have just pluged the headphones into the speaker jack int he bakc LOL why didnt i think of it before i upgraded haha
[10:51] <doug2266778822> into the back*
[10:51] <kahrytan> By try... they are supporting Linux with drivers.
[10:52] <topyli> right right
[10:52] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  where is the DOWNGRADE button?
[10:52] <ccooke> doug2266778822: what?
[10:53] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  it hit me the external speakers work right? wlel i could have just pluged the headphones into that outlet
[10:53] <doug2266778822> so how i downgrade lol
[10:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: there's no easy way to downgrade - and it can be very damaging to halt an upgrade half-way
[10:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while
[10:53] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  lol i was joking
[10:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: ahhh :-)
[10:54] <topyli> doug2266778822: heh, i have to plug my speakers to the headphone jack
[10:54] <doug2266778822> topyli:  and ccooke i wish i thought of this before hand. would saved me alot of time
[10:54] <doug2266778822> topyli: lol wana trade?
[10:54] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Happens to us all :-)
[10:54] <topyli> heh
[10:55] <doug2266778822> compaq presario pc. made for vista but wtf is vista lol
[10:56] <Helvasca-> how can I force dpkg to install a package and ignore dependencies
[10:56] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  2 min to go thn to reboot hope this fixes it if not ill just plug them to the back.
[10:56] <doug2266778822> hey does wine come with this ?
[10:57] <ccooke> doug2266778822: wine is packaged for Ubuntu, but it's not officially supported
[10:57] <kahrytan> doug2266778822-> WINE version is next to newest version too
[10:58] <doug2266778822> kahrytan: i have it installed but keep gettin vid error when i try to play a game
[10:58] <kahrytan> doug2266778822-> wine-0.9.59 is the one in hardy. wine-0.9.60 is out.
[10:58] <doug2266778822> kahrytan:  i had wine 0.9.46
[10:59] <kahrytan> doug2266778822->  you should use winehq repos
[10:59] <timeoff> since yesterdays updates I appear to have lost internet connectivity for locally installed apps (flock, secondlife etc). All the other standard apps continue to work as normal. Anyone come across anything similar?
[10:59] <doug2266778822> kahrytan:  i did but it went over my head mostly.
[11:00] <dystopianray> timeoff: i can't imagine how that'd happen
[11:00] <timeoff> yeah.. thats my problem :p
[11:00] <dystopianray> timeoff: what error do the other apps report?
[11:01] <timeoff> everything else just works as normal.... but the locally installed ones are unable to resolve any addresses/unable to connect to server etc
[11:01] <doug2266778822> ok comp bout to reboot here ccooke
[11:02] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Good luck
[11:02] <doug2266778822> thnks i will let u know wht happens
[11:05] <joker2048_> hey folks, which timezone counts for releasing HardyHeron?
[11:06] <dystopianray> joker2048_: GMT+1 iirc
[11:07] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Well, you appear to have a working system in as far as you've logged in...
[11:07] <doug2266778822> ccooke: the jack still dont work
[11:09] <Armagguedes> hello
[11:09] <ccooke> doug2266778822: one thing does occur...
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: see the volume control in your taskbar?
[11:10] <doug2266778822> yea
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: right-click on it, "open volume control"
[11:10] <Armagguedes> why do games like warzone2100, tux racer or war§ow run slow like fuck on my computer (3GiB Ram, nvidia 8600)? do i need any special drivers or smtg?
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: done that?
[11:10] <doug2266778822> just did
[11:10] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  How'd I do, bug 220952
[11:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220952
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Okay. Go to Edit -> Preferences...
[11:11] <ccooke> doug2266778822: and turn on every single item in the list that appears next
[11:11] <doug2266778822> headphone is checked
[11:11] <ccooke> doug2266778822: turn on everything that's unchecked
[11:11] <doug2266778822> just did
[11:11] <moise7000> Yop
[11:12] <dystopianray> kahrytan: seems alright
[11:12] <Koheleth> guys, whats the risk of messing up my windows mbr with ubuntu if I install it, I have used wubi and its fine but when Hardy is out I will go for a proper install
[11:12] <ccooke> doug2266778822: now, go through each of the tabs on the volume control and look for anything that could deal with the front-panel connectors
[11:12] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  dont know to put it under hardy
[11:12] <dystopianray> Koheleth: it will overwrite the windows bootloader with grub
[11:12] <Koheleth> will it see vista fine though
[11:12] <dns53> yes
[11:12] <ccooke> doug2266778822: especially look in a 'switches' tab if you have one
[11:12] <dystopianray> Koheleth: yes
[11:12] <Koheleth> your confident :) good
[11:12] <ccooke> doug2266778822: (mine, for instance, has checkboxes for "headphones" and "front")
[11:13] <dns53> it boots vista on the backup of the mbr i think, or some equivelent
[11:13] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  i will do it in a little i gave up and pluged them to the back of the pc
[11:13] <Koheleth> whats the main disadvantage with wubi and a normal install?
[11:13] <ccooke> doug2266778822: fair enough
[11:14] <Helvasca-> wheres the sources list found again?
[11:14] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> So, what else I do with the bug?
[11:14] <dns53> Koheleth wubi has another layer when writing to the disk, it seems to break when you don't defrag your disk
[11:15] <timfrost>
[11:15] <Koheleth> so its just a temporal thing
[11:15] <sparr_> i notice that "apt-get install firefox" wants to install FF3, but dist-upgrade didn't replace my 2 with 3.  what's up with that?
[11:15] <timfrost> Helvasca: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <prodigel> Hi. I'm having problems with gnome-panel since upgrading to hardy. It keeps crashing, and I cannot restart it. if I restart X it doen't display anything.
[11:17] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  should i tell motu?
[11:17] <dystopianray> kahrytan: who's motu?
[11:17] <kahrytan> channel ... so someone looks atit
[11:17] <dystopianray> if you think it'll help
[11:19] <kahrytan> to late for hardy fix though
[11:20] <cpk1> masters of the universe = motu
[11:23] <Arelis> Hello all. Hardy is one day to go until release, does that mean that the stuff in the repo's has reached the final stage? I mean, when i update now, will i have the final Hardy?
[11:24] <dns53> close enough maybe, depends if there are major bugs
[11:25] <dystopianray> Arelis: probably
[11:25] <prodigel> anybody can help me with my x problems? I'm not sure now if gnome-panel or gdm or who crashes
[11:25] <Arelis> And may i just keep my system running under Hardy when it goes final? (This is a fresh Release Candidate install). Or will I have problems?
[11:25] <dns53> no just dist-upgrade
[11:27] <Arelis> dns53: so that means i can keep my hardy install for years?
[11:27] <kahrytan> anyone else use nvidia and hardy?
[11:27] <AmyRose> kahrytan: I do
[11:28] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  you try running Extreme Tux Racer at 800x600?
[11:28] <kahrytan> AmyRose-> Desktop at native, game at 800x600.
[11:28] <AmyRose> ok
[11:28] <AmyRose> I'll try
[11:28] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  wanna see if my recent bug is just me
[11:28] <dns53> if you use gnomeyes, kde is not lts
[11:28] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  or topyli where do i find the folder options so i can make them open on a single click?
[11:29] <Arelis> dns53: ok
[11:29] <AmyRose> kahrytan: Works fine for me
[11:29] <kahrytan> AmyRose-> I get out of range error on my monitor
[11:29] <Arelis> dns53: So, as a final check: I don't need to reinstall my Ubuntu Hardy Release Candidate when the final comes out?
[11:30] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  native is 1440x900 and game starts in 800x600
[11:30] <AmyRose> kahrytan: Might be because I'm on a laptop... are you on a desktop?
[11:30] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  yeah (bug 220952)
[11:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220952
[11:31] <AmyRose> kahrytan: It's probably just an X misconfiguration
[11:31] <AmyRose> It's probably trying to set a refresh rate your monitor can't handle
[11:31] <timfrost> Arelis: no - from beta or RC, if you install the software updates, that will take you to the final release
[11:31] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  if desktop resolution is set to 800x600, they run fine.
[11:31] <Arelis> timfrost: okay
[11:32] <AmyRose> kahrytan: I had a similar problem with my 640×480 resolution. It was either appearing black or with the bottom chopped off. I fixed it by modifying my X config
[11:32] <dns53> Arelis if you are going to be supporting it for years you may not want to start with the alpha versions but a rc is close enough to release there should not be too many bugs with the packages
[11:32] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  Monitor gives Out of Range error though So no video
[11:33] <AmyRose> kahrytan: That's still probably just an X misconfiguration. It's probably defaulting to a refresh rate your monitor can't handle. Is it using VESA DDC to figure out what the monitor can handle?
[11:34] <AmyRose> When you set the desktop to 800×600, it's probably also setting the refresh rate manually too
[11:34] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: (sorry, afk) Open Edit -> Preferences while you're in a directory view, then look iin the Behaviour tab
[11:35] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  there is no modelines set
[11:35] <doug2266778822_> ccooke:  thanks and topyli if u said it sorry comp froze lol
[11:35] <Arelis> dns53: Okay. Well, i installed from a Release Candidate so then it should be fine, right?
[11:35] <kahrytan> AmyRose-> vesa ddc?
[11:35] <prodigel> can someone help trace my gdm problem? It crashes even when trying to change background picture, or view panel properties
[11:35] <dns53> Arelis yes
[11:36] <doug2266778822_> kahrytan:  how do i install the latest wine? i have still 0.9.46
[11:36] <kahrytan> doug2266778822_->  winehq.org
[11:37] <doug2266778822_> thanks
[11:37] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  umm maybe you are right.
[11:37] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  It could be using 800x600 at wrong refresh rate
[11:37] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: you should probably try the latest wine in Hardy firt
[11:37] <AmyRose> kahrytan: That's what the out of range error means.
[11:37] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: upgrading will have disabled your universe and multiverse repositories, if you had them before
[11:38] <AmyRose> kahrytan: It's probably a driver misconfiguration or bug, not a bug with the game
[11:38] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: you can re-enable them in System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[11:38] <doug2266778822_> ccooke:  i got it working but when it goes to load game it shuts down
[11:38] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  Now i just need someone to help me with modelines and define it
[11:38] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: unfortunate :-/
[11:39] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: There's not a lot we can help about in Wine - especially if you use a version that Ubuntu didn't supply
[11:39] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  So, its easier fixed.
[11:39] <kahrytan> easy to fix
[11:39] <doug2266778822_> ccooke:  i just seen what type i have its the 0.9.59
[11:40] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  It can't do 800x600 at 63/64mhz
[11:41] <AmyRose> kahrytan: I don't know of ANY monitor that can do 63 MHz!
[11:41] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  Obviously, drive or xorg is defaulting at one of them
[11:42] <Koheleth> where do I report a bug
[11:42] <Jeltn> Goedendag
[11:42] <kahrytan> Koheleth->  I sense the force tells me bugs.launchpad.net
[11:43] <Koheleth> ok
[11:43] <doug2266778822> hmm well guess i wont play that game no more lol
[11:43] <Jeltn> weet iemand hoe ik de Siemens PCMIA pc card 54 onder xubuntu moet installeren?
[11:43] <Koheleth> is there a program within Hardy
[11:43] <kahrytan> Koheleth->  No.
[11:43] <eklof> Anyone heard of the preferred way to migrate a Ubuntu 6.06 server to 8.04 server? No X on it. Aptitude?
[11:43] <Koheleth> ok
[11:44] <kahrytan> So, anyone can help me with my issue?
[11:44] <Koheleth> whats the issue
[11:44] <Fritzel> does ubuntu have something against soundblasters?
[11:44] <dns53> eklof i just change the sources.list to the new version and dist-upgrade but there may be other ways
[11:45] <kahrytan> xorg refresh rate
[11:45] <eklof> dns53: using apt-get or aptitute?
[11:45] <Koheleth> whats up with it
[11:45] <Fritzel> I've used several soundblasters and I always have crackles on them but when using onboard sound it's flawless
[11:45] <eklof> does apt-get remove obsolete packages and so on ?
[11:45] <dns53> eklof both work, i prefer apt myself, they both are based on the same library
[11:45] <eklof> Ok.
[11:46] <dns53> there is apt-get autoremove to get obsolete packages
[11:46] <oholiks> hi all, do-release-upgrade borks for me even after removing "third party" software, so I tried apt-get but it wants to  remove such essentials as xdpyinfo, xset, xrandr, xhost, xmessage, is this to be expected?
[11:48] <dns53> oholiks try just installing ubuntu-desktop or whatever version you use to get the base then dist-upgrade
[11:49] <kahrytan> Anyone got experience in setting refresh rates?
[11:49] <dns53> oholiks the if all else fails get rid of everthing except ubuntu-minimal and then install what you want manually
[11:49] <oholiks> dns53: thanks, seems to work although it still wants to remove those apps
[11:50] <oholiks> dns53: i'll make a note and install manually later, thanks
[11:50] <dns53> oholiks you could save your currently installed packages to a file, install the minimum then reinstall your current packages
[11:51] <Jeltn> Soembody know how to install a PCIMIA Siemens PC card 54 ?
[11:51] <Jeltn> cause it not automatily suported
[11:51] <oholiks> dns53: yeah, to much hassle, if I don't remember the name, then I probably don't need it =)
[11:51] <dns53> oholiks dpkg --get-selections >somefile,   dpkg --set-selections < somefile
[11:52] <oholiks> dns53: i know, it's cool
[11:52] <oholiks> dns53: COLUMNS=120 could be good with that one
[11:52] <oholiks> dns53: to not cut of long package names
[11:52] <Jeltn> soemone?
[11:53] <dns53> Jeltn what is it, what does it do?
[11:54] <Jeltn> you mean the Siemens PCIMIA PC card 54?
[11:54] <dns53> Jeltn yes, what is your problem
[11:55] <Jeltn> it is a bout my wireless ncard i installed ubuntu 8.0.4 but it doesnt work automaticly
[11:57] <Jeltn> but i heard from NDISwrapper or something, but i have no idea how to use it
[11:57] <dns53> wreless is a problem with linux, i don't know anything about your card but you might want to check the wiki and forums
[11:57] <dns53> !ndiswrapper
[11:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:58] <oholiks> dns53: oh sorry to bother you again, but it was expected to remove x*-packages, it was not just my dist/install?
[11:59] <KrimZon> i have a problem playing audo still - vlc often speeds up my music by about 1 or 2 semitones, and at the same time there's this weird hissing sound like a cat with bronchitis
[11:59] <oholiks> dns53: so I can tell  my fellow unbunters not to worry
[12:01] <virtuald> !pastebin
[12:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[12:04] <muszek> hi... are the pulse audio volume controls available in hardy?  I still get the regular, old gnome volume control, but the "not available" notice went away from alpha/beta/rc articles on wiki...
[12:04] <virtuald> can anyone help me with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64099/ ?
[12:08] <kahrytan> Can someone help me generate custom modeline for my monitor?
[12:10] <hwilde_> kahrytan,   Modes           "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[12:11] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> I need one that excludes 73/64 refresh rate on 800x600
[12:11] <jscinoz> I have a process using 100% CPU that i can't kill, it ignores every signal and survives an X restart (which is strange as this process is totem) is there anyway to kill this process without a reboot
[12:11] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> I need one that excludes 63/64 refresh rate on 800x600
[12:12] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> Monitor has 1400x900 @ 60mhz, 75mhz native.
[12:13] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> Monitor has 1440x900 @ 60mhz, 75mhz native. ooops
[12:14] <hwilde_> kahrytan, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973  HOWTO: change resolution/refresh rate in Xorg
[12:14] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> already there.
[12:14] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> its about setting v and h rates
[12:15] <hwilde_> don't you see where it gives you the modeline example
[12:15] <zigford> So, about 3 weeks ago, my ubuntu 6.06 LTS server hdd crashed.  It was sad, because I was really hoping it would last until the next LTS.  So I went ahead and rebuilt my machine on 8.04 rc.  Will there be a negative impact on my system because it started out as a RC rather than a fresh stable?
[12:16] <hwilde_> zigford, not if you get all the updates
[12:16] <zigford> There are no extra logging and debuging options that I might need to turn off?
[12:16] <muszek> zigford: there are very little changes between rc and "full" release
[12:17] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> Modeline "1440x810@60" 95.28 1440 1472 1832 1864 810 826 834 851 ?
[12:17] <zigford> sweetness.  For the record, Heron was about one billion times easier to setup my madwifi/ethernet bridge
[12:20] <kahrytan> man, I need some serious help
[12:20] <dns53> kahrytan have you tried moving your xorg.conf and starting without one?
[12:21] <kahrytan> dns53->  and that would accomplish what?
[12:22] <dns53> xorg can start without an xorg.conf and may be able to automatically detect everything
[12:22] <kahrytan> dns53->  I justneed to keep xorg/driver away from 63/64 refresh rate.
[12:22] <kahrytan> dns53->  i didnt change it since hardy install.
[12:22] <kahrytan> except for restricted driver install
[12:24] <oholiks> yay, that worked fine, although firefox 3 is a dissapointment.. ofcourse it invalidated all my addons, time to downgrade it =)
[12:24] <kahrytan> oholiks->  I created an exclusive club for those downgrades. wanna join? Im leader
[12:24] <Assid> mirrors synched yet ?
[12:24] <KrimZon> one day left to fix ff3 ;)
[12:24] <oholiks> kahrytan: haha, easy!
[12:25] <kahrytan> I remember ASSID !!!!!!!!
[12:25] <kahrytan> I'm been waiting for you
[12:25] <Assid> you do ?
[12:25] <Assid> why doy ou remember me ?
[12:25] <Assid> what did i do this time?
[12:25] <kahrytan> maybe sure you get those server ready.
[12:25]  * Assid hides
[12:25] <KrimZon> does anyone know if 1.5 and 2 have that problem where firefox can't view some jpeg images in the browser and forces them to be downloaded?
[12:25] <_Rambaldi_> command for changing lcd brightness in terminal, anyone?
[12:25] <bikeboy> KrimZon: what's your particular problem with Fx3?
[12:25] <kahrytan> Assid-> i want all that bandwith
[12:26] <Assid> haha
[12:26] <KrimZon> kahrytan: the thing with opening jpegs
[12:26] <Assid> this time im thinking of not offering http downloads
[12:26] <KrimZon> and half the extensions not having caught up properly yet
[12:26] <Assid> only participating in torrent
[12:26] <kahrytan> Assid->  You the guy that made my last iso download oh so fast
[12:26] <bikeboy> can't say I've had a problem with jpegs under Fx3, you could try a nightly though - very easy to do
[12:27] <rhineheart_m> hello.. hardy will be released tomorrow?
[12:27] <kahrytan> rhineheart_m->  according to Hobbsee, for every person who keeps asking that, 2hrs gets added to release time.
[12:27] <Assid> kahrytan:  glad i could help
[12:27] <Assid> but first i need to get one of the mirror managers to let me leech
[12:27] <kahrytan> rhineheart_m->  from #ubuntu-release-party topic
[12:27] <bikeboy> haha, good on her
[12:28] <dns53> kahrytan will it be released tomorrow?
[12:28] <oholiks> hm, why xlsfonts show knickers, but aterm/urxvt cannot use it.. fc-cache -f didn't fix it
[12:28] <kahrytan> Patience is a viture
[12:28] <Hobbsee> bikeboy: :)
[12:28] <kahrytan> virtue
[12:28] <guja_nebeska> Anyone using Hardy on Macbook?
[12:29] <kahrytan> Anyone got advanced knowlege in xorg config?
[12:29] <dns53> just man xorg.conf
[12:29] <kahrytan> dns53->  and i wil rather slice my thoat then read one man page
[12:30]  * kahrytan hates man pages
[12:30] <oholiks> but they will get you far
[12:30] <Assid> kahrytan: so im guess you will enjoy downloading it at 3K/sec :P
[12:30] <Assid> hehehe
[12:30] <kahrytan> Man pages are the most unuser friendly full of techno babble that i can hardly understand.
[12:31] <oholiks> ask the question kahrytan, what's up with your config?
[12:31] <kahrytan> not to mentio navigating them is just as hard
[12:31] <oholiks> it's like regular vi at all times
[12:32] <oholiks> and with most linux even pgup/pgdn and arrow keys work
[12:32] <kahrytan> oholiks->  Need to define modeline that ignores 800x600 63/64mhz refresh.
[12:32] <oholiks> kahrytan: that's a pain for sure =)
[12:32] <Assid> sweeet .. my php rpc server is almost done
[12:32] <oholiks> kahrytan: but you could find apps to generate modelines for you
[12:32] <Assid> to do EVERYTHING i need
[12:32]  * Assid does the chicken dance
[12:32] <kahrytan> oholiks-> Its hardy bug... games that default to it use either one of them and produce out of range error on monitor
[12:33] <kahrytan> oholiks->  I only got 1440x900 60,75mhz spec info. thats it
[12:34] <kahrytan> Modes "1024x768_75.00"  < is the _75 the refresh rate?
[12:34] <oholiks> kahrytan: http://www.calmar.ws/firefox/vimperator/vimperator_0.6pre.xpi for ff3
[12:34]  * kahrytan downgraded to ff2
[12:35] <kahrytan> Modes "1024x768_75.00"  < is the _75 the refresh rate?
[12:35] <Assid> hey Hobbsee you about?
[12:35] <virtuald> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64099/ can anyone help me with this?
[12:35] <kahrytan> maybe
[12:35] <ubuntudemon> Hey. Can I do anything to provide more information to this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220640 And does anybody know how to use ipw3945 with Hardy's kernel ?
[12:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220640 in linux "[hardy] iwl3945 + wpasupplicant fails to connect to university network. regression from gutsy (ipw3945+wpasupplicant)" [Undecided,New]
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Assid: sort of
[12:35] <kahrytan> Assid->  i am on hardy so I am not in a rush to upgrade.
[12:35] <sajuuk> hey guys, upgrading from dapper drake and the distribution upgrade has hung on 'deleting obselete programs,'  it has been that way for an hour, what has happened and what can i do?
[12:36] <Assid> u got access to one of those mirrors dont you?
[12:36] <Assid> kahrytan: yeah you dont need to
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Assid: one of which mirror?
[12:36] <Assid> distribution mirrors for iso files
[12:36] <kahrytan> Assid wants to leech so he can power the torrent
[12:36] <guja_nebeska> Ojha.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Assid: no
[12:36] <Assid> hrmm oh well
[12:36] <guja_nebeska> Anyone using Hardy on Macbook?
[12:36] <kahrytan> Assid, Suggestion: contect Canonical/UC to see if you can get into i nthe mirroring.
[12:36] <Arelis> Where can i get applets for the GNOME panel?
[12:37] <Assid> kahrytan: im not donating more than 100-200GB of of transfer
[12:37] <Assid> thats it
[12:37] <kahrytan> Assid->  theres a minimal?
[12:37] <sajuuk> anyone had that problem?
[12:37] <JPSman> help
[12:37] <JPSman> I tanked my wireless on hardy
[12:37] <Assid> unless i feel generous and a hot chick comes up to me and requests it.. and takes me out for some drinks which keeps me away from the "cancel seed" button
[12:38] <kahrytan> Assid->  did i mention i livei n paradise now (hawaii)
[12:38] <JPSman> i tried to create my own driver and now I dont have anything.   [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87947
[12:47] <jac0b|w> is anyone else having this problem?
[12:47] <kahrytan> sajuuk-> bug #230592 oops
[12:47] <kahrytan> damn it
[12:47] <kahrytan> oop sorry
[12:47] <sajuuk> lol
[12:47] <kahrytan> sajuuk-> bug 220592 there
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220592 in nautilus "File operations dialogue display bad characters (dup-of: 218857)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220592
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218857 in language-pack-gnome-es-base "error in copying dialog window in nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218857
[12:47] <Akhorahil> what I try to do is to create a router with it, setting one interface external and the other static with dhcp seems to work
[12:47] <Akhorahil> dns does work, but somehow masquerading doesn't
[12:47] <Akhorahil> should i do something extra?
[12:48] <kahrytan> sajuuk->  i give up, 220952.
[12:49] <sajuuk> hmm how long does it take for heron to install on dapper system?
[12:51] <jac0b|w> I am getting a "kernel panic - VFS root device not found" error after upgrade
[12:52] <d4t4min31> wasn't the new release supposed to be today
[12:53] <d4t4min31> yesterday the said one day to go... today it says one day to go
[12:53] <bazhang> April 24th
[12:53] <ttkeppi> 24th day it will be out
[12:53] <d4t4min31> if I download the test release when the full version comes out can I update to that from the beta
[12:53] <ripps> I think they go by GMT
[12:54] <d4t4min31> or do I have to dl the officaal verson
[12:54] <bazhang> d4t4min31: aye
[12:54] <d4t4min31> I can update?
[12:54] <sajuuk> aye to the former?
[12:54] <sajuuk> or to the latter?
[12:54] <bazhang> first one
[12:54] <lumm> guess it will take to leech the image till 25 anyway
[12:54] <lumm> hah:p
[12:54] <jac0b|w> I am getting a kernel panic upon reboot after I upgraded from the internet
[12:55] <sajuuk> hmm
[12:55] <ripps> The beta IS the Official, the only difference is the packages installed. Your system will be the same as the Official just by using Update-manager.
[12:55] <sajuuk> my setup is still going after an hour and a half
[12:55] <sajuuk> dapper > hardy
[12:56]  * Assid wonders if this is a premature release
[12:56] <neo1ite> can anybody help me set up a VNC server with 8.04
[12:56] <Assid> too many people had issues with the beta
[12:56] <sajuuk> rightio
[12:56] <sajuuk> well
[12:56] <mvo> sajuuk: 1,5h> the upgrade is still running? or hanging at some stage?
[12:56] <bazhang> been running since alpha three and only one major problem--the libc6 one
[12:57] <sajuuk> its running
[12:57] <mvo> sajuuk: at what stage is it currently?
[12:57] <sajuuk> but its just stopped at search for obselete programs
[12:57] <ripps> I let my system download overnight, there were so many downloads to make.
[12:57] <Assid> if your system is anciently old..
[12:57] <ripps> When I first upgraded.
[12:57] <mvo> sajuuk: ok, that may take some time (but not 1,5h)
[12:57] <Assid> as in the packages... your better off with a fresh iso
[12:58] <sajuuk> the hdd is only 55 gig
[12:58] <sajuuk> shouldnt take that long
[12:58] <sajuuk> and linux been on here for 2-3 weeks
[12:58] <sajuuk> so it shouldnt take that long
[12:58] <mvo> sajuuk: is it at this particular stage since 1,5h ?
[12:58] <sajuuk> yes
[12:59] <sajuuk> the window is frozen, all i see is grey
[12:59] <sajuuk> but it refreshes once every so often so i can see where its hanging at
[12:59] <mvo> sajuuk: is there output if you run (in a terminal): tail -f  /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log  ?
[13:00] <sajuuk> yes
[13:00] <ripps> My download was about 3 hours. Of course, my brother was hogging the internet that night, so I wasn't getting the best bandwidth then.
[13:00] <sajuuk> its doing alot of considering and removing
[13:01] <sajuuk> btw my system is a 1.6 ghz with 256 mb
[13:01] <sajuuk> of ram
[13:02] <mvo> sajuuk: hm, ok. that is a bit excessive (time-wise). please keep it running as long as it produces output and please sent me the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ once its finished, I would like to have a closer look and see if there is room for optimisation
[13:02] <sajuuk> cool
[13:02] <sajuuk> got an email ?
[13:02] <sajuuk> pm me
[13:03] <IdleOne> hmmmm system restart required??? with no kernel upgrade??? why is that?
[13:05] <ripps> Does anybody know if the TV Tuner bug caused HAL to fail has been fixed yet?
[13:05] <Adys> Any idea how to enable the virtual terminals? for some reason i lost them all at some point
[13:07] <Pici> HardyOne: There was a l-u-m update recently, that would probably ask for a reboot
[13:07] <HardyOne> Pici: l-u-m stands for?
[13:07] <HardyOne> linux user manual??
[13:07] <Pici> HardyOne: Linux-ubuntu-modules
[13:07] <HardyOne> heh
[13:08] <HardyOne> ahh that would make sense. but I just did the upgrade when update-manager poped up on my desktop and did not see any modeules being updated
[13:08] <HardyOne> modules*]
[13:08] <HardyOne> errrrr
[13:09] <HardyOne> Pici: thanks for the answer though
[13:13] <ripps> Huh... My Xserver just crashed again, out of nowhere. It's been doing this about once a day now. I have no idea what's causing it.
[13:13] <JPSman> can anyone tell me about modules.dep?  is it safe to edit?  what do the  :  mean?
[13:14] <mvo> ripps: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that looks suspicious? or a crashfile maybe in /var/crash ?
[13:15] <user11> which is the best java package to install which wont break and gives me Java and Jre together
[13:15] <Fritzel> what is the name of the program that gnome uses to request administrative access?
[13:15] <the0> how do i enebale desktop effects in 8.04 (I got an ati)
[13:15] <PolarFox> I have a question, has anyone stumbled across problems with initramfs-tools upgrade in recent days...
[13:16] <Fritzel> the0, System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[13:16] <user11> On Hardy which is the best java package to install which wont break and gives me Java and Jre together
[13:16] <the0> i tried
[13:16] <Volkodav> How do I install  googleearth-package ?
[13:16] <Fritzel> the0, then visual effects
[13:16] <tanath> the0, sys>prefs>appearance>last tab
[13:16] <the0> it said "could not enable desktop effcts"
[13:16] <kahrytan> Pop Quiz: Will this work in xorg  ' "Modes "1440x900_75.00"  "800x600_60" ' and tell xorg not to use any other refresh rate for 800x600 then 60
[13:16] <PolarFox> update-initramfs script hangs :(
[13:16] <tanath> the0, make sure you have direct rendering
[13:16] <Fritzel> the0, you need to install a working video driver then first
[13:17] <the0> i have an ati 1650 PRO
[13:17] <tanath> the0, type "glxinfo | grep -i direct" in a terminal and see if it says you have direct rendering
[13:17] <ripps> It says Signal 11
[13:18] <the0> i dont have it
[13:18] <Fritzel> what is the gnome equivilant of sudo
[13:18] <tanath> then you need to use a video driver that enables it
[13:18] <Fritzel> the0, I'm nvidia I have no idea how to work with ati
[13:18] <the0> ok
[13:18] <tanath> the0, try running 'gksu displayconfig-gtk'
[13:18] <the0> thanks
[13:19] <Assid> your nvidia ?
[13:19] <the0> im ati
[13:19] <ripps> mvo: The only thing I can find is that the Xserver caught a Signal 11.
[13:19] <Assid> and im intel
[13:19] <the0> im amd
[13:19] <Assid> bow down to my pr0wress
[13:19] <tanath> the0, try different drivers, and click the test button. when you get one that works, check for direct rendering again
[13:19] <Assid> ha.. your broke
[13:19] <the0> where do i get the drivers?
[13:19] <mvo> ripps: does /var/crash contain a crash file that looks like it is releated?
[13:19] <tanath> the0, when you get it working, then you can enable compiz
[13:19] <the0> i searched google but didnt find much
[13:19] <Fritzel> tanath, thank you for answering my question in response to someone else ^^
[13:20] <tanath> Fritzel, :D
[13:20] <ripps> nothing recent in /var/crash, just an old Gnome-keyring, pressure_applet, and rhythmbox. All of these were from a week ago.
[13:21] <tanath> the0, if you need the fglrx driver, you can install it with 'sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx'
[13:21] <mvo> hrm, a crash file would have been good
[13:21] <kahrytan> Will this work in xorg  ' "Modes "1440x900_75.00"  "800x600_60" ' and tell xorg not to use any other refresh rate for 800x600 then 60
[13:21] <the0> ok
[13:22] <ripps> the0 and tanath: I know it isn't officially supported, but I really like EnvyNG for installing ATI Drivers.
[13:22] <tanath> can anyone tell me why i wouldn't be able to unmount a partition, which it says is busy, when lsof says nothing's using it?
[13:22] <tanath> ripps, my way worked for me
[13:23] <tanath> ripps, i think i tried that once and it made things messy, IIRC
[13:23] <tanath> ripps, so i think there's a good reason it's not officially supported
[13:23] <Fritzel> I also have to say I like Envyng
[13:23] <ripps> Well, we all take our own paths.
[13:23] <ripps> don't confuse EnvyNG with Envy legacy. The original Envy was messy, EnvyNG isn't.
[13:24] <tanath> argh... nvm... now it unmounts 10 mins later
[13:24] <tanath> ripps, hm. i might be doing that
[13:24] <the0> I instaled the driver and the appearance settings window will not open anymore
[13:24] <tanath> the0, odd. you have direct rendering now?
[13:24] <PolarFox> Well, now I know that mkinitramfs launches awk that stops... I just don't know what that means :)
[13:25] <the0> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ glxinfo | grep -i direct
[13:25] <the0> No protocol specified
[13:25] <the0> Error: unable to open display :0.0
[13:25] <tanath> the0, then that's not the driver you want ;)
[13:25] <ripps> Add a launcher to my panel that runs "sudo umount /media/*", I use before restarting, just so I don't have to log into windows to fix unproperly unmounted ntfs partitions.
[13:26] <tanath> ripps, that directed at me?
[13:27] <tanath> cause it was a vfat partition, and i needed to umount it because that part of the drive is dying and messing things up
[13:27] <the0> thanks for all your help
[13:27] <tanath> the0, got it?
[13:27] <ripps> no, not really.
[13:27] <ripps> I just wanted to mention it.
[13:27] <the0> i will try again tomrow with the new ubuntu :)
[13:27] <tanath> ah
[13:28] <the0> bye bye
[13:28] <tanath> the0, k. good luck
[13:28] <the0> thanks
[13:28] <tanath> np
[13:28] <jac0b|w> I am getting a VFS error on reboot after my upgrade
[13:28] <jac0b|w> but my old kernel boots fine
[13:28] <tanath> ripps, ah. well, personally i don't have any ntfs drives. haven't had windows on my comp in years
[13:28] <tanath> not since it crashed and corrupted the FAT, and i lost ~140Gb of data
[13:29] <tanath> then i switched to linux
[13:29] <Assid> tanath: still waiting for that to happen to me
[13:29] <jac0b|w> is anyone else having the VFS problem?
[13:29] <tanath> Assid, hopefully you keep waiting :P
[13:29] <Assid> so i can say "ahh screw windows.. tiredof this.."
[13:29] <ripps> Not me...
[13:29] <tanath> Assid, heh. no need for an excuse
[13:30] <tanath> Assid, you can always dual-boot...
[13:30] <Assid> trust me.. id ont dual boot
[13:30] <tanath> ?
[13:30] <Assid> im now thinking of hackintosh
[13:30] <tanath> why no dual-boot?
[13:30] <Assid> cause i know myself
[13:30] <Assid> i never get myself to do it
[13:30] <tanath> o.O
[13:30] <beilabs> has anyone been having issues with Pidgin crashing on the latest updates with Hardy?
[13:30] <jac0b|w> what version kernel are you running the latest or something else
[13:30] <tanath> beilabs, nope
[13:30] <Assid> id rather stick to the os im using
[13:31] <tanath> Assid, but when you do have an issue, it'd be nice to have the alternative OS to boot to ;)
[13:31] <tanath> Assid, can help with troubleshooting & fixing
[13:31] <Assid> aah.. thats where my live cd comes in
[13:31] <tanath> ah
[13:31] <Assid> or windows PE worse case scenario
[13:32] <tanath> but that's slower, and doesn't remember customizations, etc
[13:32] <ripps> I've been using the latest rt kernel instead of generic. Most of my issues are gone.
[13:32] <Assid> who cares abt custoization if your just troubleshooting
[13:32] <tanath> bah
[13:32] <Assid> :P
[13:32] <chimp> Quick question, is the official release tonight at 12.00 UTC?
[13:32] <tanath> Assid, really though, if you want to try it, why not dive in?
[13:32] <Assid> tanath: i was using it..
[13:32] <tanath> Assid, maybe just set up another box with it
[13:32] <Assid> tanath: gave away my 2nd box..  not enough space
[13:33] <tanath> ah well
[13:33] <tanath> you'll prolly switch eventually
[13:33] <Assid> i guess
[13:33] <tanath> to something, anyway
[13:33] <Assid> honestly getting tired of the same ol interface
[13:33] <Assid> yeah
[13:33] <jac0b|w> could my kernel problem be that I am using ext3
[13:34] <Assid> hence why im eyeing hackintosh
[13:34] <tanath> but really, nothing else compares to my personally configured linbox
[13:34] <jac0b|w> and its not loading that driver
[13:34] <tanath> i feel crippled on other systems
[13:34] <Assid> what you configured?
[13:34] <JPSman> where are the kernel drivers located on the desktop-alt cd?
[13:34] <tanath> lots of things
[13:34] <ripps> Does anybody know how close ext4 is to completion?
[13:34] <Assid> tanath: if compiz gets a bit more stable.. it has alot of potential
[13:35] <Assid> would be sweet if adobe starts supporting linux native apps
[13:35] <tanath> but windows doesn't even have the powerful shell other systems do
[13:35] <tanath> Assid, true... i imagine it will get that way with hardy coming out
[13:35] <Assid> err no
[13:35] <tanath> it's a significant release. the 2nd LTS
[13:35] <Assid> personally i think its gonna be hardy+1 when compiz is a bit more "stable"
[13:35] <Assid> it could be because of nvidia drivers.. i dont know
[13:36] <tanath> i mean, with the release of hardy, it will become so, and will be by the time of intrepid
[13:36] <tanath> that's my bet
[13:36] <JPSman> im looking specifically for /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2500.ko
[13:36] <Assid> it has potential
[13:36] <Assid> i mean real potential
[13:36] <tanath> indeed
[13:36] <JPSman> where is that loacted (what package) on the install CD?
[13:37] <JPSman> or how can I find it?
[13:37] <tanath> aero doesn't even compare to it, but is a resource hog. according to MS's min specs, i couldn't run it, but i can do much more with compiz with ease
[13:37] <mib_ne93bkrq> hello all
[13:38] <Assid> tanath: well aeros isnt even in the same ball park
[13:38] <Assid> tanath: would like to see it compete against something competable.. like macintosh systems
[13:38] <tanath> Assid, you don't think it does? personally i haven't used a mac in years, so..
[13:39] <Assid> tanath: too many crashes to be certain
[13:39] <tanath> Assid, oh, i thought you meant in terms of features
[13:39] <Assid> also.. one thing it does enjoy is the shell integrates with its gui interface
[13:39] <tanath> Assid, i'm pretty sure compiz does more
[13:39] <Assid> try it
[13:40] <tanath> Assid, but it's getting there in terms of stability
[13:40] <Assid> yeah
[13:40] <Assid> i dont know who to blame.. people say nvidia drivers
[13:40] <Assid> but then.. at the end of the day.. users cant use it perfectly can they
[13:40] <x-ip> hi, i was reading the doc at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Elbuntu?action=show&redirect=Ebuntu#head-e5b8ed2e7cb0398b7959809b718f1950bc379ca6 to install e17 at my hardy heron, but the repository link gives me a 404. Its possible to install e17 at hardy heron ?
[13:40] <tanath> Assid, well nvidia & ati/amd are becoming more open with their drivers, so i expect improvement
[13:41] <x-ip> well, if there is a valid repository
[13:41] <Assid> right.. "expect" is something of long term future
[13:41] <tanath> Assid, it's pretty stable if you don't use certain plugins
[13:41] <Assid> at the moment.. people suffer
[13:41] <tanath> Assid, i've turned off useless stuff, like the animations
[13:41] <Assid> then whats the fun in that
[13:41] <tanath> Assid, and it rarely has probs now
[13:41] <manfromns> hello
[13:41] <Assid> i got a nvidia 8600gts card. cmon i want to make use of it
[13:42] <tanath> assasukasse, i mean the 'animations' plugin. i stick to the useful stuff, like the cube, zooming, negative, put, etc
[13:42] <manfromns> if i upgrade to hardy will i lose files etc
[13:42] <Assid> not in microsoft's sense where it will still crawl cause of bad coding
[13:42] <kahrytan> Ladies and Gentlemen, I need some help configuring xorg.conf on 1440x900 native monitor   that doesnt support 800x600 63,64hz refresh. I need to tell xorg not to use those refresh rates. Can someone help me?
[13:42] <odious> hi. can we download 8.04 yet? :)
[13:42] <kahrytan> I tried to do myself but failed.
[13:42] <Jeeves_> HALLO!
[13:42] <Assid> odious: try back in 24 hours
[13:42] <tanath> odious, you can
[13:42] <kahrytan> odious->  RC you can.
[13:42] <HardyOne> hey Jeeves_ can I ask you something?
[13:42] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: Sure
[13:42] <tanath> odious, you can run 'sudo update-manager -d' to upgrade
[13:43] <odious> is it still 24 hours?
[13:43] <tanath> or gksu instead of sudo
[13:43] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: Well?
[13:43] <tanath> kahrytan, did you play with displayconfig-gtk?
[13:44] <odious> i've always been dubious about dist-upgrade :P
[13:44] <tanath> odious, always been good to me
[13:44] <tanath> odious, as long as you're careful with your repos anyway
[13:44] <manfromns> can it be done with wireless?
[13:44] <HardyOne> Jeeves_: lmao I did!
[13:44] <kahrytan> tanath-> Never heard of that.
[13:45] <HardyOne> Ask Jeeves_ ! could not help myself
[13:45] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: rotflmao!
[13:45] <Jeeves_> You toooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny dude!
[13:45] <Jeeves_> Did you think of that one yourselve?
[13:45] <tanath> kahrytan, run 'gksu displayconfig-gkt' and it'll give a gui for configuring x
[13:45] <Pici> LD
[13:45] <HardyOne> no need to be a jack ass about it Jeeves_
[13:45] <tanath> kahrytan, mainly for getting the right driver, but you can select the resolution too
[13:45] <Jeeves_> Or did you go to school for that
[13:45] <HardyOne> :/
[13:46] <HardyOne> I didnt say it was a good joke
[13:46] <tanath> kahrytan, and refresh rate
[13:46] <Andycasss> With this 8.04 RC my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally anymore, i get gnome error at startup (which btw takes 5min to boot), then it is on the minimal theme and finally after 10min it will load fully (the booting music plays). What the hell???
[13:46] <kahrytan> tanath-> for what?
[13:46] <tanath> kahrytan, hm?
[13:46] <kahrytan> tanath-> monitor?
[13:47] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: Cry-baby
[13:47] <tanath> kahrytan, is there another kind of video refresh rate?
[13:47] <_Rambaldi_> i have terrible video jittering ( blockiness) especially when it pans horizontally what can i fix this, its rather annoying in fullscreen, all kinda of video so far no fix
[13:47] <kahrytan> tanath->  What do you mean?
[13:47] <tanath> _Rambaldi_, you using the right driver?
[13:47] <tanath> kahrytan, what do you mean? lol
[13:47] <kahrytan> tanath->  I got list of supported refresh rates for all support resolutions
[13:47] <HardyOne> Jeeves_: ok. let's start over. Hello Jeeves_ !
[13:48] <_Rambaldi_> i thought i was tanath
[13:48] <_Rambaldi_> how to do i find out which driver i am using
[13:48] <tanath> kahrytan, will you be changing your resolution or refresh rate? or do you just want to pick one to use that works and you're satisfied with?
[13:49] <kahrytan> tanath->  I have a hard bug you see, #220952 zI think
[13:50] <kahrytan> tanath-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220952
[13:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New]
[13:50] <kahrytan> tanath->  I narrowed it down to, thanks to amyrose, to the fact the system may using refresh rates at 800x600 that monitor DOES NOT support.
[13:50] <tanath> kahrytan, ah...
[13:50] <Adys> Any idea how to reenable the virtual terminals? for some reason i lost them all at some point, probably when i upgraded to hh a while ago
[13:51] <kahrytan> tanath->  understand now?
[13:51] <jepler> with kernel linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_amd64.deb I don't have a /dev/cdrom.  I haven't found a launchpad bug for this -- anyone know a search term I might try?
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, you might be able to configure the game to use a higher resolution
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, yep
[13:51] <kahrytan> tanath->  Some of them, likes to reset itself.. game bug.
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, might be difficult without actually running the game...
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, damn
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, that sounds like quite a PITA
[13:51] <kahrytan> tanath-> Wolfstein: ET for one
[13:52] <aoupi> hi, how do I erase data on a DVD+RW?
[13:52] <kahrytan> tanath->  So i guess I have to need to tell xorg what refresh rates to use for 800x600
[13:52] <odious> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop <- so at 12:01AM GMT, 24 april?
[13:52] <odious> :P
[13:52] <Pici> odious: no, when its done
[13:52] <aoupi> both nautilus gives me errors without any information
[13:52] <aoupi> *both nautilus and brasero
[13:52] <tanath> _Rambaldi_, you can configure your driver, et all with 'gksu displayconfig-gtk' and make sure you're using the right driver (by testing) and checking for direct rendering with 'glxinfo | grep -i direct'
[13:52] <kahrytan> tanath->  that tool you gave me,... it doesnt detect my monitor.
[13:53] <_Rambaldi_> thanks tanath
[13:53] <tanath> kahrytan, you can select the make & model manually
[13:53] <odious> Pici: okay, so it's still in the process of being put together. wow! you guys scrumming or something? :)
[13:53] <kahrytan> tanath->  not listed
[13:53] <Assid> "The combination of Linux and Firefox make Ubuntu 8.04 LTS a superb web desktop, with fast browsing and greatly reduced exposure to viruses, web forgery and spyware." ?
[13:53] <Assid> viruses ? spyware ?!?
[13:54] <tanath> kahrytan, hm. often a similar make & model will suffice
[13:54] <kahrytan> tanath->  nor Generic LCD 1440x900 will give 1440x900 resolution
[13:54] <tanath> kahrytan, or that... damn
[13:54] <kahrytan> Viewsonic VA1916w
[13:54] <tanath> Assid, ?
[13:55] <Assid> tanath: its there: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[13:55] <wingydingy> how do i install a patch?
[13:55] <wingydingy> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13831729/macbook-backlight-mmap.patch is the patch i need to install
[13:55] <tanath> Assid, yeah, but your reaction...
[13:56] <Assid> err we dont have "viruses , spyware" as suych
[13:56] <kahrytan> tanath->  wait a minute. Generic LCD i didnt check widescreen box.
[13:56] <Assid> pretty much proof of concept
[13:56] <tanath> Assid, well there are viruses, though they're rare
[13:56] <tanath> yeah
[13:56] <Assid> not really.. cause even if you download em
[13:56] <Assid> they arent executable
[13:57] <tanath> Assid, there really isn't much but it's not completely non-existent
[13:57] <tanath> Assid, wine
[13:57] <guillem101> tanath, technically, they are either worms or trojans
[13:57] <Assid> well wine maps back to C: which is again ~.wine/
[13:58] <Assid> so even if ytou delete that.. you dont mess the system
[13:58] <tanath> Assid, linux would be vulnerable to certain JS exploits. there's a polymorphic javascript virus for win that i think would work on linux too
[13:58] <Assid> well js exploits and XSS yeah
[13:58] <kahrytan> tanath->  umm generic does the support resolutions wong but 800 and 1400 have good refresh rates
[13:58] <tanath> guillem101, there's a virus that comes with a man page, with removal instructions... :D
[13:59] <tanath> kahrytan, well you can tweak the xorg.conf file after that...
[13:59] <guillem101> tanath, sudo apt-get install virus
[13:59] <Andycasss> With this 8.04 RC my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally anymore, i get gnome error at startup (which btw takes 5min to boot), then it is on the minimal theme and finally after 10min it will load fully (the booting music plays). What the hell???
[13:59] <kahrytan> tanath->  make basic conf then tweak it?
[13:59] <tanath> kahrytan, yeah
[13:59] <tanath> kahrytan, you could run 'sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to configure x too
[14:00] <tanath> and specify refresh rates, etc
[14:00] <kahrytan> tanath-> i did that once ... It was gibbish  to me
[14:00] <tanath> kahrytan, usually you can just hit enter on stuff you don't know
[14:01] <tanath> kahrytan, but you said you have the list of refresh rates and stuff. you can just limit it to what you know is good
[14:01] <kahrytan> tanath->  itdidnt do anything
[14:01] <tanath> kahrytan, ?
[14:02] <tanath> kahrytan, there are long complicated lines you can add to xorg.conf by hand...
[14:02] <tanath> kahrytan, hold on
[14:02] <kahrytan> tanath->  oh wait
[14:02] <tanath> kahrytan, i actually have an example you can use from my own xorg.conf
[14:03] <tanath> kahrytan, you can tweak it accordingly
[14:03] <kahrytan> i just saved toconf
[14:03] <kahrytan> !pastebin
[14:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:03] <kahrytan> tanath->  wanna see?
[14:03] <tanath> kahrytan, http://pastebin.ca/994471
[14:03] <tanath> kahrytan, see what?
[14:03] <kahrytan> tanath->  this doesnt make sense to me.. 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932
[14:04] <tanath> erm
[14:04] <kahrytan> I figured out why my edit was bad.. I did 800x600_60
[14:04] <tanath> where'd you get that from?
[14:04] <tanath> heh
[14:04] <kahrytan>  modeline  "800x600@60" 40.0 800<PHONE_NUMBER> 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
[14:05] <kahrytan> I did modeline "1440x900_75" "800x600_60"
[14:05] <tanath> so you can fix it then
[14:05] <kahrytan> I used nano in tty
[14:05] <kahrytan> Does it have to have the extra numbers to work?
[14:06] <tanath> ah, no x server?
[14:06] <kahrytan> low graphics
[14:06] <tanath> personally, i prefer vim
[14:06] <tanath> oh. why not gedit then?
[14:06] <kahrytan> nano seemed easier
[14:06] <kahrytan> i need what i edited and and i could remove it
[14:06] <kahrytan> and I know nano
[14:06] <tanath> kahrytan, the stuff on the end? not sure
[14:07] <tanath> kahrytan, well, yeah, whatever you know
[14:07] <kahrytan> there was no modeline to start.
[14:07] <tanath> kahrytan, but gedit is easiest
[14:07] <kahrytan> I uses tty
[14:07] <kahrytan> no x
[14:07] <tanath> kahrytan, you said low graphics...
[14:07] <tanath> meh
[14:08] <kahrytan> I made a backup setting in that tool
[14:08] <kahrytan> the original
[14:09] <inf> heya bazhang
[14:09] <kahrytan> tanath->  what tool you use for that vsync numbers>
[14:09] <tanath> kahrytan, i forget...
[14:09] <bazhang> inf: couple of ways to do it
[14:10] <tanath> xvidtune perhaps
[14:10] <inf> update-manager --devel-release?
[14:10] <inf> just seen that on link above...
[14:10] <bazhang> inf you can update-manager -d then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:10] <kahrytan> tanath->  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[14:10] <kahrytan> tanath->  thats where my idea for _ came from
[14:11] <bazhang> inf or just edit sources.list from gutsy to hardy and then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:11] <inf> wonderful, I presume it'll update any changes tomorrow come the release if I move the devel tags?
[14:11] <bazhang> or was that just sudo apt-get upgrade the second instance? I forget
[14:11] <inf> i'll have a read around ta
[14:12] <bazhang> inf if you wait til tomorrow the downloads will be slower
[14:12] <inf> is what I thought, beat the rush a bit...!
[14:12] <bazhang> inf: if you upgrade to hardy then just keep updating, then you will be final tomorrow ;]
[14:13] <kahrytan> tanath-> Suggestion: xresprobe
[14:13] <inf> awesome ta ;)
[14:13] <bazhang> no worries ;]
[14:14] <inf> ... now to figure out if I can get away from desk and grab 'coffee' for an hour :-D
[14:14] <kahrytan> tanath->  you there?
[14:14] <tanath> sometimes.. :P
[14:14] <tanath> i think i used xvidtune
[14:14] <kahrytan> tanath-> freq: 24-82 50-75 thats H and V freq for monitor?
[14:15] <tanath> looks like it
[14:15] <Derspankster> I've just noticed something strange. FF3 will not open a site that is readily accessible on my other computers. I've never seen this before. Could it somehow have been blacklisted?  It just won't connect!
[14:15] <kahrytan> tanath-> xresprob gave me id: VA1916wSERIE ;res: 1440x1440 1440x900 1280x1024 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768 832x624 800x600 720x400 640x480 ; freq: 24-82 50-75
[14:16] <koudelka> has anyone here been using likewise open on 8.04?
[14:16] <tanath> kahrytan, ok, so you can use that to configure your xorg.conf...
[14:17] <Leeuw> how do I get my toolbar back in kopete ?   I ticked ´ flat´  and now it´ s gone, can´ t gettit back...
[14:17] <tanath> Derspankster, any trouble with other sites on that comp?
[14:17] <tanath> Derspankster, they using the same connection?
[14:17] <Derspankster> tanath: no, not that I can determine. All boxes are on my network - yes.
[14:18] <tanath> Derspankster, try using ff3 on another box?
[14:18] <kahrytan> tanath-> http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl?
[14:18] <goodhabit> Hello. Totem is changing color settings automatilcally. How to fix that annoying feauture?
[14:19] <tanath> kahrytan, looks handy
[14:19] <Derspankster> I have FF3 installed on my Windows XP box. The site loads fine. My other Ubuntu computers are all running Gutsy with FF2 and they all connect to the site.
[14:19] <tanath> goodhabit, use mplayer or vlc? :P
[14:19] <jaffarkelshac> how can i save the current settings of compiz
[14:20] <kahrytan> tanath->  do i need modelines>
[14:20] <goodhabit> tanath, don't like fullscreen interface of both of them.
[14:20] <jac0b|w> I can't boot the new kernel after I upgraded I get a kernel panic root device not found, can anyone help me
[14:20] <tanath> Derspankster, hm.. personally i use swiftfox 3... it's a tweaked version for speed. you might try it
[14:20] <kahrytan> tanath  is real popular tonight
[14:20] <tanath> heh
[14:20] <tanath> i haven't even eaten breakfast yet
[14:21] <tanath> i came to ask a question, which ended up not needing answering, and got caught up helping people :P
[14:21] <tanath> jaffarkelshac, there's a button for that in the compiz config app
[14:21] <Derspankster> tanath: that's a thought but I think this issue has something to do with this specific install of FF3 and the site in question.
[14:22] <tanath> Derspankster, well, i'd recommend swiftfox anyway, and if it solves the problem... ;)
[14:22] <kahrytan> tanath->  im gonna be crazy and try my orginal but with @
[14:22] <tanath> kahrytan, you have a backup, so feel free
[14:23] <chimp> What time is Hardy being released at?
[14:23] <tanath> kahrytan, i'm not exactly an expert in this area. i just know what i've needed to learn to get mine working, basically
[14:23] <tanath> some time tomorrow...
[14:23] <rsk> chimp: don't think it's that exact..
[14:23] <tanath> it prolly won't change much if at all between now and then
[14:23] <chimp> Is the RC now going to be the same as the final?
[14:24] <chimp> I wanna burn a couple of cds, dont wanna waste em
[14:24] <kahrytan> tanath->  I just added thisd to original Modes		"1440x800@75" "800x600@60"
[14:24] <Pici> chimp: no
[14:26] <Nom-> wow vmware tools installed by default in 8.04? :D
[14:26] <dystopianray> Nom-: no
[14:26] <koudelka> it's a restricted driver
[14:26] <tanath> Derspankster, what exactly is the error?
[14:26] <Nom-> No?  Oh well.. vmware desktop must just have come a long way since the last time I used it
[14:27] <koudelka> what version are you using?
[14:27] <Derspankster> tanath: it just won't load, times out.
[14:27] <dystopianray> Nom-: I think there was some unsupported open source version of the vm tools in 8.04 at one point, but has since been removed
[14:27] <Nom-> hmm what did work send me... 6.something
[14:27] <tanath> Derspankster, trying pinging the site from that box?
[14:27] <koudelka> the new v6 beta should do seamless desktop and work together with compiz
[14:27] <Derspankster> tanath: by the way, it's www.dslreports.com
[14:27] <Nom-> ooooh ok... the installer seems to really like VMWare... the CD I just downloaded might be out of date i guess
[14:27] <tanath> oh...
[14:27] <koudelka> that is in linux
[14:28] <dystopianray> Nom-: did you get the RC?
[14:28] <Nom-> Yup
[14:28] <Nom-> ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:28] <Derspankster> tanath: I can ping dslreports just fine
[14:29] <tanath> Derspankster, ok, so it's higher-level
[14:29] <Derspankster> tanath: yes
[14:29] <tanath> Derspankster, i forget, did you try another browser on that box?
[14:29] <dystopianray> Nom-: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/011316.html
[14:29] <dystopianray> Nom-: the openvm tools were in ubuntu but were removed
[14:30] <mohbana> can i install this new ubuntu from a ntfs partion?
[14:30] <Nom-> ah fair enough... thanks dystopianray
[14:30] <genie> Hello to all
[14:30] <Derspankster> tanath: FF2 is also installed and it cannot load the site either. Something changed in the past day or so.
[14:30] <genie> 'net usershare' retrned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[14:30] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[14:30] <tanath> Derspankster, you might try simply reinstalling ff3 to see if that does it, but i'd recommend swiftfox anyway
[14:30] <tanath> Derspankster, ah..
[14:30] <Nom-> It's just the VMWare Workstation that's come a long way then
[14:30] <tanath> Derspankster, so it's not just the browser
[14:30] <genie> why I don't get prompted to put sudo password?!
[14:31] <Nom-> I used Virtual Infrastructure Client @ work which is clunky in comparison lol
[14:31] <Derspankster> tanath: it's kind of like it's been blacklisted but I get no indication that it has. It just won't resolve the IP
[14:31] <tanath> Derspankster, unless you're using the same profile
[14:31] <dystopianray> Nom-: they were removed on april 21, after the RC was released
[14:31] <dystopianray> genie: your user password is the sudo password
[14:32] <tanath> Derspankster, did you use the same profile for ff2 & 3?
[14:32] <kahrytan> tanath->  my mod to original didnt work
[14:32] <genie> dystopianray, I got promot for sudo for other things but not for this
[14:32] <Derspankster> tanath: yes, I thought of that but I have all along. I can try removing FF2
[14:32] <dystopianray> genie: for what?
[14:32] <dystopianray> genie: oh the usershare thing
[14:32] <Laibsch> Does hardy install both FF2 and FF3 on my machine?
[14:32] <tanath> Derspankster, no need. just make a new profile
[14:32] <kahrytan> tanath->  but tk thing did and i went to the mod it made. At leastm bono*** crashed nautilus so i rebooted.
[14:33] <Derspankster> tanath: the question arises though - why only this site?
[14:33] <genie> dystopianray, installation, but not for usershare
[14:33] <Nom-> so would you all recommend using 8.04 in a server upgrade happening in the next 3-4 months ?
[14:33] <dystopianray> genie: ok, well the sudo password is your user's password
[14:33] <genie> dystopianray, yes
[14:33] <tanath> Derspankster, run firefox with -ProfileManager
[14:33] <AaronMT> Is there anyway around the fix to typing "lsusb" to get my wireless mouse working after I stick in the usb reciever?
[14:33] <tanath> Derspankster, could be an extension
[14:34] <Derspankster> tanath: unless it's the fact that I'm a member and I auto login with a password. But, I have other sites where I do the same thing
[14:34] <tanath> kahrytan, i'm not sure i'm going to be much help to you right now. i don't have the time to spend to figure your prob out. sorry
[14:35] <kahrytan> tanath->  It works for now
[14:35] <genie> dystopianray, when I click on 'Create Share' I should get a box to enter sudo password but I don't get I got the error above
[14:35] <tanath> Derspankster, maybe login info is corrupt or something, and you've tried too many times
[14:35] <genie> dystopianray, do you think this is a bug?!
[14:35] <dystopianray> genie: no idea
[14:35] <genie> thanks dystopianray
[14:35] <tanath> Derspankster, i dunno. i'm too hungry to think right now
[14:35] <kahrytan> tanath->  Extreme Tux Race works .. at 800x600
[14:35] <tanath> kahrytan, woot
[14:36] <Assid> yikes!
[14:36]  * Assid plays assassins creed @ 1680x1050
[14:36] <tanath> heh
[14:36] <Derspankster> tanath: I'll continue to try to figure it out. I appreciate your help
[14:36] <tanath> i'll prolly be back here later. if you haven't figured it out by then, i might be able to help
[14:37] <kahrytan> tanath-> is this like a 1280x768 widescreen reso forsmaller monitor?
[14:37] <tanath> gotta go
[14:37] <tanath> bye all
[14:37] <kahrytan> noooooooooooooo
[14:37] <tanath> :/
[14:37] <kahrytan> tanath is my favto ask for helpwith
[14:37] <tanath> kahrytan, same to you
[14:37] <tanath> heh
[14:38] <tanath> be back later. if you haven't figured it out, i'll see what i can do
[14:38] <genie> 'net usershare' retrned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[14:38] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[14:38] <genie> why I cannot create a share ?
[14:38] <genie> is this bug ?!
[14:38] <jonph> do you have access permissions to that directory?
[14:39] <genie> I login with regulare user
[14:39] <jaffarkelshac> i think its a bug, coz i had that problem but it mysteriously went away
[14:39] <genie> but when I create a share I should get promote to enter sudo password
[14:39] <genie> but I am not getting that promote
[14:40] <genie> I am runing 8.04
[14:40] <kahrytan> im such an idiot
[14:40] <genie> 32 bit
[14:40] <koudelka> genie, you've never got that promote since the install?
[14:40] <kahrytan> I dididnt know my v-sync and h-sync for monitor
[14:40] <koudelka> promt*
[14:41] <kahrytan> and manual said it and I didnt see it
[14:41] <genie> koudelka, I got it when I try to install or update
[14:41] <jaffarkelshac> gene, is there a like that saids Ask the administrator to add the line "usershare owner only = False"
[14:41] <jaffarkelshac> in the error
[14:42] <genie> where I have to put it
[14:43] <jaffarkelshac> in the smb.conf
[14:43] <jaffarkelshac> gksu gedit /etc/smb.conf
[14:43] <Mimi> update-manager --devel-release   .... so that's all i need to do to upgrade to hardy.... ? wow :P
[14:43] <Baby_Shambl3s> hi cna someone tell me why does it take 3-5min for my shutdown options to popup when i click on the button
[14:43] <Baby_Shambl3s> ?
[14:44] <Leeuw> anyone know how to get toolbar back in KOpete ?   I ticked 'flat' and it disappeared, now I can't gettit back...
[14:44] <AaronMT> Is there anyway around the fix to typing "lsusb" to get my wireless mouse working after I stick in the usb reciever?
[14:44] <genie> no file with this name /etc/smb.conf
[14:44] <jaffarkelshac> sorry /etc/samba/smb.conf
[14:46] <genie> I have to put this line :  "usershare owner only = false"
[14:46] <Baby_Shambl3s> hi cna someone tell me why does it take 3-5min for my shutdown options to popup when i click on the button?
[14:48] <Mimi> Baby_Shambl3s:  I saw your question and I have the same problem myself sometimes, nbut i dont know :/
[14:48] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I have to enter this line:  "usershare owner only = false" ?!
[14:48] <jaffarkelshac> yes genie, sorry
[14:48] <jaffarkelshac> there should be a line "usershare allow guests = yes" put it underneath that
[14:49] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: :( guess need to ask later on but why are the only ones having this problem, i know before the updates i made i didnt have the issue :/... im still wondering is it ok for hardy to be released tommorow
[14:50] <Mimi> see, i also had the issue before updating to hardy's so meh :( it's random.
[14:50] <Baby_Shambl3s> can someone tell me if flash is working well with hardy if so which version i.e. adobe flash/sfw/gnash o_0???
[14:50] <a_l_e> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! is there any reason why hardy has a program which is called vim but is not vim?
[14:50] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, that's a problem i had with 7.10
[14:50] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, and 7.04
[14:51] <jaffarkelshac> did this work genie?
[14:51] <koudelka> not had it with 8.04 yet tough
[14:51] <genie> jaffarkelshac, how to restart samba?
[14:51] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, flash is working for me, haven't had any problem with it
[14:51] <dystopianray> a_l_e: it's smaller i guess, space on the cd is quite precious
[14:51] <mohbana> can i install this new ubuntu from a ntfs partion?
[14:51] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: 0_o you had the shutdown issue in 7.10 hmmmm weird shouldnt happen and you still havent found a solution...
[14:52] <dystopianray> mohbana: no
[14:52] <noodles12> so how's hardy guys?
[14:52] <Mimi> yes after tomorrow there will be an app called Wubi and you can install ubuntu from windows itlsef   mohbana
[14:52] <jaffarkelshac> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[14:52] <Derspankster> tanath: I think you're gone but I fixed my FF3 issue. I created a new profile, used it (still couldn't resolve the site) but then I deleted the new profile, went back to the old profile and now the site resolves. Have no clue why.
[14:52] <Leeuw> Baby_Shambl3s: I tried Gnash, it didn't get the applet I used on my page right, then I got adobe and it was fine, so I suggest Adobe (eventhough it's restricted, it works...)
[14:52] <Pici> a_l_e: You may need to isntall vim-full to see full functionality
[14:52] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: are you using adobe flash? if so are you using it  with alsa or pulse audio?
[14:52] <mohbana> Mimi, so i can even specify the partion size etc?
[14:52] <Mimi> Baby_Shambl3s:  I havent tried looking for a solution yet :p  it happens quite randomly... so it doenst affect me most times
[14:52] <jaffarkelshac> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart genie
[14:52] <a_l_e> dystopianray: well, don't tell me that this version doesn't support this command, then! tell me that what i started with the vim command is not vim!
[14:53] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, actually that's a problem flash seem to just work with alsa
[14:53] <dystopianray> a_l_e: pardon?
[14:53] <mohbana> is it being released at midnight?
[14:53] <a_l_e> Pici: i've just found out, thanks!
[14:53] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I restart it and try to make share but I got same error : 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[14:53] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[14:53] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, so when i have firefox with flash running i can't get sound from any pulse application :/
[14:53] <Pici> a_l_e: That has been the case for as long as I have used Ubuntu, it is not new to Hardy
[14:53] <Pici> mohbana, Hardy will be released some time during the 24th, i.e: there is no exact time. You can await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[14:53] <Mimi> mohbana try this website: Wubi is the application that does the ubuntu install from Windows: http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php
[14:53] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, and the other way around if i had a pulse app first
[14:53] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: ahhhh i envy you mine is constant it takes freaking 3-5min for the shutdown options to popup not even m$ XP was that slow :/
[14:54] <a_l_e> dystopianray: if you try to use quite normal features of vim, you get that error.
[14:54] <dystopianray> a_l_e: becuase it's not really vim
[14:54] <jaffarkelshac> can you pastebin your smb.conf genie
[14:54] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, i think it's because of some 3'rd party install you have made i got that some times to but never figured out what it was.
[14:54] <genie> yes
[14:54] <genie> jaffarkelshac, just wait
[14:55] <a_l_e> Pici: so, i have to think that i'm using ubuntu since longer than you are, since i've never installed vim over a faked version of vim on this ubuntu i'm using now!
[14:55] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, you can make your own shutdown icon that links to the poweroff command
[14:55] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: yeha havent tried pulse yet but been reading awful replies to it, will be checking out OSS as the whole only one sound stream thing with alsa is annoying
[14:55] <oholiks> how do I get xmms back?
[14:55] <Pici> a_l_e: Its definitly not a new thing to Hardy.
[14:55] <a_l_e> dystopianray: yes, and i'd like him to tell me, he's not vim.
[14:55] <oholiks> or another program that can enqueue from the command line/load m3u from webpages
[14:55] <genie> jaffarkelshac, #
[14:55] <genie> # Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.
[14:55] <genie> #
[14:55] <genie> #
[14:55] <genie> # This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the
[14:55] <genie> # smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed
[14:55] <dystopianray> a_l_e: who?
[14:55] <genie> # here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options most of which
[14:55] <Pici> a_l_e: Log a bug if you think it should be changed, but its not  Hardy problem
[14:55] <genie> # are not shown in this example
[14:55] <genie> #
[14:55] <a_l_e> dystopianray: the faked vim
[14:55] <genie> # Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash)
[14:55] <genie> # is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a #
[14:55] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, for the applications that use pulse, pulse is fantastic
[14:55] <genie> # for commentary and a ; for parts of the config file that you
[14:55] <genie> # may wish to enable
[14:56] <genie> #
[14:56] <a_l_e> Pici: it's a hardy problem, yes!
[14:56] <genie> # NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command
[14:56] <jaffarkelshac> genie stop
[14:56] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: I could but what is the point of that when I have a default one in my trayicon, I would like to get that one working porperly
[14:56] <Pici> hmmm
[14:56] <jaffarkelshac> genie pastebin.ubuntu.com
[14:56] <Pici> !paste > genie (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[14:56] <dystopianray> a_l_e: this vim problem is in all ubuntu versions, it's not unique to hardy
[14:56] <Pici> a_l_e: No it is not.
[14:56] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: I'm not sure but i think pulse is great for those with multiple speakers but also if you dont want to be limited to just one sound stream
[14:57] <a_l_e> dystopianray: as i've written, the ubuntu version i'm using now, didn't have that problem... i'm almost sure of it!¨
[14:57] <genie> jaffarkelshac, the file too bug
[14:57] <genie> jaffarkelshac, how to upload to you?
[14:57] <a_l_e> and i'm using the current long time support version of ubuntu... not something very strange.
[14:58] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, alsa mixes the stream together
[14:58] <dystopianray> a_l_e: you are mistaken, vim on ubuntu has always been like this
[14:58] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s,  have you read through the forums about that logout button?
[14:58] <dystopianray> a_l_e: well at least in all the releases i've used
[14:58] <jaffarkelshac> genie, open the file and copy the contents and paste at pastebin.ubuntu.com and send me the link like this (this is mine) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7850/
[14:59] <a_l_e> dystopianray: did you use 6.06?
[14:59] <dystopianray> a_l_e: no i started with 6.10, maybe it was different in 6.06
[14:59] <dbmood1>  final countdown anyone ?
[14:59] <a_l_e> dystopianray: is 6.10 the current long term support?
[14:59] <Nom-> oo... still perl 5.8.8 .. that almost surprises me :)
[14:59] <dystopianray> a_l_e: no
[14:59] <dystopianray> a_l_e: 6.10 is an old release
[15:00] <Nom-> 6.06 LTS
[15:00] <a_l_e> dystopianray: 6.10 is the current long term support release!
[15:00] <dystopianray> a_l_e: no it's not
[15:00] <Nom->  Ubuntu 7.10 - Supported to 2009
[15:00] <Nom->  Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - Supported to 2011
[15:00] <Pici> a_l_e: No. 6.10 is not an LTS
[15:00] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka; o_0 so the logout button is an actual issue people have had I thought it was new, nope havent checked the forums, will do so
[15:00] <a_l_e> dystopianray: soryy, 6.06 is the current LTS, the one i'm using.
[15:00] <genie> jaffarkelshac, here the link: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7851/
[15:01] <a_l_e> and here there was no faked vim... maybe no vim at all, but surely not a faked one.
[15:01] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s,  no it's an old issue that i have got some times and suddenly it went away
[15:01] <dystopianray> a_l_e: well things have changed in two years
[15:01] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/123078
[15:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123078 in gnome-session "System -> Quit takes a long time to appear" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:01] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: I know that alsa mixxes stream together but have you tried using 3 apps with different sounds, alsa wont allow it at elast not on my comp
[15:02] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 07:55:57 <+Hobbsee> elky_work: i thought they found more people, so shouldn't ahve that problem.
[15:02] <a_l_e> dystopianray: but two years are not: it has always been like this. most of all if in all that time no "stable" version has been issued (stable, for somone who doesn't want to install a system every six month!)
[15:02] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, that's strange i think i've had lots of apps running with different sounds
[15:03] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s,  alsa should take it all
[15:03] <dystopianray> a_l_e: you can't expect to keep up to date on how things work if you dont' follow new releases
[15:03] <peter77> I'm getting random system freezes, the system does not respond to keyboard input in all of these cases!
[15:04] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: thanx for the link and nah ive got mpd runnign if i tried running rhythmbox the sound wont play one reason that stops me using musical apps in ubuntu :(
[15:04] <a_l_e> dystopianray: i don't want to be uptodate, i want a running system.
[15:04] <dbmood1> what why are kicking or banning people ?
[15:04] <Baby_Shambl3s> is it me or is PriceChild banning a lot of users?
[15:05] <PriceChild> dbmood1: /mode -b
[15:05] <Pici> dbmood1: They are unbans
[15:05] <PriceChild> unbans..
[15:05] <dbmood1> oh
[15:05] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, that might be because mpd is configured to use oss?
[15:05] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, check so they all use alsa
[15:05] <dystopianray> a_l_e: then stick with 6.06 for a few more years
[15:05] <HardyOne> a_l_e: every six months Ubuntu releases a stable version and then begins work on the next stable version. this next version 8.04 is going to be a LTS meaning it will be supported for at least 3 years that is pretty stable if you ask me
[15:05] <peter77> can anyone help with my freezing problems?
[15:05] <Pici> a_l_e: Looks like vim-full was not in dapper, but put into dapper-backports at some point in time.  Nevertheless, it has been present in everything since edgy
[15:05] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: nope i configured it for alsa the config file is straight forward
[15:06] <koudelka> thats strange maybe there's a bug in the driver for your audiocard
[15:06] <dbmood1> ok so what is with the mass unbanning
[15:06] <Pici> dbmood1: ban list is full
[15:06] <dbmood1> price why not just unban * ? -- if that is possible