[04:44] <Kilos> o/
[04:57] <Squirm> morning
[04:57] <Kilos> hi jrgns Squirm
[04:57] <jrgns> morning K
[04:57] <jrgns> morning Squirm
[04:57] <jrgns> nice and early
[04:58] <Kilos> ya
[04:58] <Squirm> meh
[04:58] <Squirm> always :/
[04:58] <Kilos> hes still yawning methinks
[04:58] <Squirm> Kilos: you have no idea
[04:58] <Kilos> lol
[04:59] <Squirm> that's why I've started having a bath in the morning. wakes me up quickly
[04:59] <Kilos> ah
[05:02] <Squirm> wow
[05:02] <Squirm> summer must be here
[05:02] <Squirm> slept with my windows open and I'm fine
[05:02] <Squirm> even though it's overcast now
[05:06] <Kilos> still too cold here to do that
[05:06] <Kilos> days are ok though
[05:31] <magespawn> morning all
[05:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[05:31] <magespawn> how are things this morning Kilos?
[05:31] <Kilos> good ty and you magespawn ?
[05:32] <magespawn> peachy keen
[05:32] <Kilos> going through them links again
[05:32] <Kilos> dunno if i must put pc2s mac address in pc1
[05:34] <Kilos> put the mac address of the interface you will be configuring
[05:34] <magespawn> not sure, are youstill trying to get the shared network going?
[05:35] <Kilos> is he talking about pc2 as the interface im configuring
[05:35] <Kilos> yes, its become almost an obsession now that it worked once
[05:36] <Kilos> showed that it can work so now it must
[05:36] <magespawn> the interface is the network card of the pc you are working on
[05:36] <Kilos> aw
[05:37] <Kilos> and what is the cloned mac address
[05:38] <Kilos> mac addy showed on its own in nm
[05:39] <magespawn> cloned mac address? I am not even sure what that is
[05:39] <Kilos> is the cloned addy the other pcs?
[05:39] <Kilos> hehe me neither
[05:40] <Kilos> im not sure what most of this is
[05:46] <magespawn> well lets see what we can find
[05:47] <Kilos> im looking here now https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[05:49] <Squirm> magespawn: sorry I disappeared last night. power died
[05:50] <magespawn> no worries Squirm
[05:57] <magespawn> Kilos looks like a cloned mac address is so that the internet service provider thinks that the same pc is connected
[05:58] <Kilos> so then i must put the other ones addy in there?
[05:58] <magespawn> for connections that can only take one pc
[05:58] <Kilos> oh
[05:59] <magespawn> like your modem
[05:59] <magespawn> pc 2 would clone your pc1 mac address so that it can connect to the net using the modem
[05:59] <Kilos> that has worked without the cloned addy entered so its not that
[06:00] <magespawn> well then i am lost at this poitn
[06:00] <magespawn> point
[06:00] <magespawn> sorry
[06:00] <Kilos> np
[06:00] <Kilos> ill keep looking
[06:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[06:14] <magespawn> see you all later
[06:15] <Kilos> go well magespawn
[06:15] <magespawn> gotta work :(
[06:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:58] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:58] <inetpro> eh Kilos, how goes it?
[06:59] <Kilos> good ty and you inetpro ?
[06:59] <Kilos> learning networking
[07:00] <inetpro> nice
[07:00] <Kilos> 8ta loves me
[07:00] <Kilos> and maaz hates me for all the google requests
[07:01]  * inetpro had a nice long weekend with family afk
[07:02] <Kilos> thats good
[07:02] <Kilos> i go sort sheep and hoenders
[07:02] <Kilos> wbb
[07:39] <Kilos> hi zeref_server morgs drussell
[07:40] <drussell> Kilos: hey!
[07:40] <morgs> morning
[07:43] <jrgns> morning morgs
[08:12] <charlvn> good morning
[08:12] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:12]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[08:24] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[08:25] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[08:59] <Kilos> morning superfly Banlam bakuman
[09:02] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:24] <bakuman> hi Kilos
[09:31] <Kilos> yo not_found-droid
[09:32] <Kilos> hey Trixar_za
[09:32] <not_found-droid> Hey uncle Kilos
[09:32] <Kilos> nuvolari, lewe jy nog na die naweek?
[09:34] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[09:54] <Squirm> hi
[09:56] <not_found-droid> Lunch time is always too short
[09:56] <Kilos> lol
[09:56] <Kilos> to eat or what?
[09:57] <not_found-droid> Or what
[09:57] <not_found-droid> :p
[09:58] <Squirm> lunch is still an hour away
[11:29] <Kilos> sigh
[11:38] <magespawn> afternoon Kilos
[11:38] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[11:38] <Kilos> all the fiddling killed my network manager again
[11:38] <Kilos> and sound
[11:39] <magespawn> still struggling with the shared internet connection?
[11:39] <Kilos> time for anbother clean install
[11:39] <magespawn> you going to be expert at complete installs
[11:39] <magespawn> is there no another way?
[11:39] <Kilos> yeah i follow what the links say then next thing ugly things happen here
[11:39] <Kilos> lol
[11:40] <Kilos> im trying to purge what i can remember installing
[11:40] <Kilos> then will reboot and see
[11:40] <Kilos> it spends 3 mins or so waiting for network connection before booting to gui
[11:41] <magespawn> maybe each time do a step by step write up as you are doing the work
[11:41] <magespawn> that sounds like it is trying to network boot
[11:41] <Kilos> yeah i think i will do that
[11:42] <Kilos> just dunno which setting or command actually kills nm
[11:42] <magespawn> it is something i should do as well
[11:42] <Kilos> luckily i install sakis 3g yesterday
[11:42] <magespawn> a lot easier to reverse if you have the steps
[11:43] <Kilos> yesh but you cant reboot after each step to check what is the culprit
[11:43] <Kilos> its only after booting the probs show
[11:43] <magespawn> could use a clone the drive to a spare so that you can clone back when the systems is too broken
[11:44] <Kilos> lol the thing to do is to make a backup just before it breaks then its easy
[11:45] <Kilos> maybe the clone carries the fault
[11:46] <magespawn> yup thats the idea
[11:46] <magespawn> backup before breaking
[11:47] <Kilos> lol
[11:47] <Kilos> weird even sound went this time
[11:51] <Kilos> just gonna reboot and see if purging helped
[12:30] <Erich> Does anyone know where I can buy barebone Laptop for ubuntu install?
[12:30] <Erich> in SA?
[13:10] <magespawn> Erich do you mean one without an OS or just a low spec machine?
[13:41] <superfly> he probably means without an OS
[13:42] <superfly> Erich: a few people have tried, we've discussed it on the mailing list at length... the short answer is: nowhere
[13:43] <tumbleweed> also, you aren't paying that much of a premium for windows, so it doesn't really matter
[13:44] <superfly> yeah, when I bought my netbook I just never gave Windows a chance to load :-D
[13:44] <tumbleweed> the cost of windows is probably easily offset by the income from bundling crapware
[13:44] <magespawn> Overseas some of the manufacturers have removed win and given the buyer a rebate, true not much but there we go
[13:45] <tumbleweed> the windows license used to allow you to get a "full refund" which could be interpreted as retail price
[13:45] <tumbleweed> but that clause is long gone
[14:59] <Thaps> hi,i really need someone to assist me with installing Django
[15:00] <Kilos> clean installed
[15:02] <Thaps> pardon
[15:02] <tonberryE352> i believe Kilos was reffering to his own computer and not django
[15:04] <Thaps> oh lol...well is there anybody that can assist?
[15:06] <superfly> Thaps: you're better off using something else, unless you have to use Django
[15:06] <Thaps> something else like?
[15:06] <superfly> Pyramid
[15:06] <superfly> it's lighter, and it doesn't hate Python
[15:07] <superfly> or flask, which is tiny compared to Django
[15:07] <superfly> actually, flask is probably a good one to start with
[15:07] <superfly> http://flask.pocoo.org/
[15:09] <superfly> http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/about
[15:10] <Thaps> hmmm, ok thanks alot, i didnt know about them, so you reckon i start off with them and see where they take me?
[15:14] <superfly> Thaps: yes. Flask is nice and small, and teaches you more about exactly how the web works.
[15:16] <Thaps> ok, thank you very much Superfly....you really are superfly lol hope it wont be too complex to install
[15:16] <superfly> Thaps: no, it's fairly simple, but you also need to understand Python packaging
[15:17] <superfly> Python web frameworks are not like applications
[15:23] <Thaps> ok thanks, im installing it right now
[15:36] <magespawn> superfly what would you use Flask for?
[15:36] <superfly> magespawn: writing some sort of small web application
[15:36] <magespawn> ahh okay
[15:36] <superfly> like a little online calendar, or a blog
[15:37] <magespawn> do you use it?
[15:37] <superfly> though if it starts becoming quite big (a blog is a non-trivial amount of work) then I'd use Pyramid
[15:37] <superfly> nope, never actually ever used it
[15:45] <magespawn> later all on my way home
[15:54] <Kilos> haha ya i clean installed
[15:55] <Kilos> this networking is wearing my cdrom out
[16:46] <Kilos> hi inetpro_ plustwo
[16:46] <Kilos> hey charlvn you been scarce hey
[17:12] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[17:21] <Kilos> hi Cantide conradvo not_found-droid highvoltage
[17:22] <Kilos> so much work after a clean install without a backup
[17:22] <not_found-droid> o/
[17:22] <not_found-droid> +1
[17:22] <not_found-droid> Busy myself with that
[17:22] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:23] <Kilos> lol what happened not_found-droid
[17:23] <smile> hoi :p
[17:23] <highvoltage> hi Kilos
[17:24] <not_found-droid> Installing lubuntu
[17:24] <Kilos> ah just to try it out?
[17:25] <Kilos> i am comfy with unity and even more so after i install mate
[17:25] <not_found-droid> But with mate there is zero unity...
[17:26] <Kilos> yes so lekker and so much faster
[17:26] <Kilos> hehe
[17:27] <Kilos> but you can still choose on booting
[17:29] <Kilos> sjoe more rain and wind coming superfly
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: we get it before you do... I know all about it :-P
[17:31] <Kilos> lol thats what i mean big one coming to you not me
[17:32] <Kilos> who has contact with maia? is she ok?
[17:32] <Kilos> and drubin ?
[17:33] <Cantide> hey Kilos, superfly, not_found-droid, highvoltage and magespawn 'o'
[17:33] <Cantide> and smile '-'
[17:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:34] <Cantide> 'o'
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[17:34] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[17:35] <smile> Cantide: :DD
[17:35] <Cantide> ^^;
[17:35] <Cantide> how is everyone?
[17:35] <superfly> hi Cantide
[17:35] <superfly> trying to get over this throat infection/migraine combination
[17:35] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[17:35] <smile> Cantide: I'm ill :(
[17:36] <Kilos> weekend over so study lots
[17:36] <Cantide> superfly :-S smile :-S
[17:36]  * Cantide quickly puts on a surgical mask
[17:36] <Kilos> eish superfly that sucks
[17:36] <superfly> telling me
[17:36] <smile> Cantide: Well I'm almost dead, actually :p
[17:36] <Cantide> Kilos, i'm okay '-' and yeah... already done 13 pages today :)
[17:36] <Cantide> just trying to get through dinner
[17:36] <Kilos> good man
[17:36] <Cantide> smile, so is everyone else :D
[17:37] <smile> :o
[17:38] <Kilos> ah smile they looking for a geek to manage the pcs just other side the perly gates
[17:38] <Cantide> lol
[17:38] <Kilos> but you gotta use ubuntu
[17:39] <smile> :)
[17:39] <Cantide> I'm actually busy reading a book / poem about Satan getting kicked out of heaven :p
[17:39] <smile> :o
[17:39] <Cantide> I guess he wasn't using Ubuntu :p
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <Cantide> 288 page epic poem is not fun though ._.
[17:39] <Kilos> na its cause he is only a tiny snake
[17:40] <Kilos> not a python
[17:41] <Cantide> haha
[17:41] <Cantide> i heard something on the news today about an 8-metre python in Kansas
[17:41] <Cantide> must be scary .-.
[17:41] <Cantide> read Paradise Lost though, it's a cool book, even for an atheist like me :p
[17:42] <magespawn> yup Cantide reticulated python 8m 159kgs
[17:42] <Cantide> oh oh oh, and some googling turned up a few results on how to get the TV card working :)
[17:42] <Kilos> lol they had one on tv last night. some twit in za keeps them as pets and this one swallowed a warming blanket cord plug and all
[17:43] <Cantide> magespawn, yeah :D sounded nasty - eats rabbits, hogs and deer :D
[17:43] <Cantide> Kilos, hahaha! but poor snake :(
[17:43] <magespawn> could kill but not eat the average human
[17:43] <Kilos> they took him to the vet and operated and got it out
[17:43] <magespawn> what is the poem?
[17:44] <magespawn> Cantide^
[17:45] <magespawn> i generally like snakes
[17:45] <superfly> I have a pet snake
[17:45] <magespawn> what kins?
[17:45] <Cantide> magespawn, Paradise Lost - It's an epic - 288 pages :-S
[17:46] <magespawn> kind?
[17:46] <magespawn> milton
[17:46] <superfly> magespawn: a corn smake
[17:46] <Cantide> magespawn, yeah '-'
[17:47] <magespawn> superfly try something a litle closer to home next time
[17:47] <magespawn> little
[17:47] <magespawn> Cantide heavy reading
[17:48] <Cantide> magespawn, indeed, but i'm putting off Chaucer
[17:49] <magespawn> is this all for your studies?
[17:50] <Cantide> yeah
[17:50] <Cantide> i enjoy the books though, so it's not too bad
[17:50] <Cantide> Shakespeare is a walk in the park now haha
[17:50] <Cantide> and reading doesn't really feel like studying :)
[17:51] <magespawn> have not read anything like that for awhile
[17:51] <Cantide> i hadn't for about 10 years
[17:52] <Cantide> turns out it's not difficult to get back into
[17:52] <Cantide> certainly easier now than during school
[17:52] <magespawn> concentration and understanding both develop with time
[17:52] <magespawn> http://mashable.com/2012/09/25/ibm-mira-supercomputer/
[17:55] <Kilos> that things massive magespawn
[17:55] <magespawn> that is a little light reading compared to the other stuff you read Cantide
[17:56] <Kilos> they lucky they arent on mobile broadband
[17:56] <magespawn> lol
[17:56] <Cantide> haha
[17:56] <Cantide> magespawn, reading it now, thanks :)
[17:56] <magespawn> i would like to see what they come up with
[18:00] <magespawn> http://laughingsquid.com/liquid-nitrogen-and-1500-ping-pong-balls/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+laughingsquid+%28Laughing+Squid%29
[18:11] <smile> you can leave ?utm_source out ;)
[18:14] <Cantide> magespawn, that is awesome :D
[18:32] <magespawn> pretty cool science is fun
[18:32] <magespawn> copy and paste
[18:32] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[18:32] <Kilos> see you morrow
[18:32] <magespawn> night Kilos
[18:34] <magespawn> https://training.linuxfoundation.org/linux-tutorials
[18:35] <Cantide> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBP18nrRdw&feature=g-logo-xit
[18:35] <Cantide> hhahahaa
[18:39] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:40] <inetpro> good evening everybody
[18:40] <Cantide> hi inetpro '-'
[18:51] <Squirm> hi Cantide, inetpro
[18:51] <Cantide> hey Squirm ^^
[18:52] <magespawn> good night all
[18:52] <Squirm> night magespawn
[19:06] <drubin> Maaz: tell Kilos Maiatoday is doing well just busy with work! I see her often
[19:06] <Maaz> drubin: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:11] <superfly> ohi drubin
[19:11] <superfly> we don't see you around these parts these days
[19:52]  * inetpro wonders whether maiatoday can tell us whether drubin is doing ok these days
[19:58] <Kerbero> hehe
[19:59] <Kerbero> well i can tell you drubin is doing quite fine
[20:01] <inetpro> Kerbero: thanks
[20:01]  * inetpro feels better now
[20:12] <drubin> :)
[20:12] <drubin> superfly: Just busy
[20:12] <drubin> also Kerbero still needs to come fix my remote ssh thing
[20:13] <Kerbero> bring it to me
[20:13] <Kerbero> now
[20:19] <inetpro> drubin: nice to hear from you again
[20:20] <inetpro> oh and Kerbero please fix that remote ssh thing for him so we can see more of him in here
[20:23] <Kerbero> well it is all up to him
[20:24] <inetpro> hmm
[20:27] <drubin> Kerbero: bit far
[20:27] <drubin> inetpro: :)
[20:46] <inetpro> drubin: -_-
[21:04] <drubin> inetpro: en nou?
[21:05]  * inetpro falling asleep


[00:59] <Nivex> so why does xubuntu-desktop depend on so many GNOME packages?
[01:05] <akgraner> Nivex, ask in #xubuntu :-)
[01:05] <akgraner> I think that's their channel
[01:05] <akgraner> or it could be #xubuntu-devel
[01:06] <Nivex> yeah, may have to do that sometime when I can sustain the discussion
[01:06] <Nivex> I don't want to be "that guy" :)
[01:07] <Nivex> BugeyeD: a friend of mine is up at MS for VSLive
[01:07] <Nivex> (yes, I have friends on the "other side")
[01:15] <akgraner> :-)
[01:43]  * Nivex mutters something about nvidia drivers, decides it's time for bet
[01:43] <Nivex> *bed
[15:00] <BugeyeD> Nivex: tell him to watch out, he s/he might end up with spittle on their shoes.
[15:00] <BugeyeD> him/her, that is


[00:33] <jthan> Evening everyone
[00:35] <teddy-dbear> 0/
[00:36] <beta0x64> hello
[00:38] <jthan> How are we all tonight?
[00:39] <teddy-dbear> I'm good
[00:39] <GeekyAdam> i had a crappy day, but drinking an Octoberfest now, so getting better
[00:39] <GeekyAdam> hi all, btw
[00:39] <teddy-dbear> just waiting for Thur. and the release party :-D
[00:45] <beta0x64>  I'm doing Karnaugh maps
[00:45] <beta0x64> because I have to :(
[01:09] <GeekyAdam> night
[01:09] <pleia2> teddy-dbear: stitch says hi!
[01:09] <teddy-dbear> hi Stitch :-[
[01:10] <teddy-dbear> I can't wait to hang out with you on Thur.
[01:45] <pvl1> hello
[01:45] <teddy-dbear> 0/
[01:46] <beta0x64> anyone here do any karnaugh maps, boolean minimization, etc?
[01:48]  * teddy-dbear hides
[01:49] <beta0x64> oh it's good fun.
[01:49] <beta0x64> you should have a go

[01:50] <teddy-dbear> I should just go to bed 8-)
[01:50] <beta0x64> too early
[01:51] <teddy-dbear> bizzy week ;-)
[02:01] <InHisName> beta0x64: yea LOVED doing those maps way back in school daze
[02:06] <teddy-dbear> that's it for me
[02:06] <beta0x64> I have to do 5
[02:06] <beta0x64> 2 of which have 4 variables
[02:06] <teddy-dbear> nite-nite
[02:07] <beta0x64> so 16 row truth table for me
[02:08] <pvl1> what are they
[02:08] <InHisName> Yucked it up at many job interviews for several years but, nada.  Not a single tickle that ever used those babies.
[02:08] <beta0x64> a way of minimizing a boolean expression
[02:08] <beta0x64> OR
[02:08] <beta0x64> a way of finding the most optimal circuit
[02:09] <InHisName> Then you can implement into hardware for least cost in design.
[02:09] <beta0x64> for example, ' means NOT + means OR and multiplication is AND. (a'b + ab + a'c')(a'd + ab' + ac)
[02:09] <beta0x64> has the same truth table as (a'b'd + a'c'd + abc)
[02:10] <beta0x64> you mean you messed it up but still got the job InHisName ?
[02:11] <InHisName> No, tried to get jobs that used that skill, none EVER did.   Blahhhh
[02:12] <beta0x64> it could be useful if you can take the time to express your problem as a boolean expression
[02:12] <beta0x64> I was trying to do that for a stock indicator for my uncle, which it worked pretty well for constructing my if statements, etc
[02:12] <InHisName> At least none that I ever interviewed anyway.   And I did a lot of them during college.  Just to see what was available out there.
[02:14] <jthan> What's the weather like in nebraska come winter?
[02:15] <InHisName> cold, snowy, etc
[02:15] <InHisName> windy
[02:15] <jthan> That stinks.
[02:16] <InHisName> sometimes still and blue sky.   Perfect X-ski weather.
[02:16] <beta0x64> it's rumored that odor travels farther in the cold
[02:16] <beta0x64> which doesn't make sense to me since the particles would be more excited in the heat
[02:16] <InHisName> farther in dry air
[02:16] <InHisName> less to collide with
[02:16] <beta0x64> oh that makes sense because it's less dense
[02:16] <beta0x64> yes
[02:19] <InHisName> I spent a Christmas in Iowa (Near Nebraska) once.  More fun than staying in Fla for holidays.  I usually went to VT or NH for christmas break.   My one time to play in snow while living in tropics the rest of the year.
[02:20] <beta0x64> sounds delightful
[02:23] <InHisName> I have lotta fond memories of packing tent, sleeping bag and going to northeast, WV or IA for christmas holidays with NO reservation and had a blast.   Tent was in case I didn't make it or no room at inn sorta thing.
[02:24] <InHisName> Only 2 diff years did I ever get chance to camp out the whole night.  The rest it was carried around for no reason except for possible emergencies.
[02:25] <jthan> lol
[02:25] <jthan> I love your stories IHN
[02:25] <InHisName> Now you got me missing that sort of thing again.
[02:25] <InHisName> Need to find place that rents x-ski s for kid sizes.
[02:27] <jthan> I've never tried cross country skiing
[02:28] <InHisName> Just yesterday, I dusted of my tandem.  Droped the back seat to minimum. and YES! my foster daughter barely fit on it.  So we had nice long neighborhood ride on all roads bounded by busy roads.  About hour to do them all.
[02:28] <InHisName> s/of/off/
[02:29] <jthan> nice
[02:31] <InHisName> She's only 8 (this week) but nearly 5' tall already.   Still not good at stopping for signs, cars,e tc.   Tandem fixes that issue.
[02:34] <InHisName> Hey, my beta0x64 - don't cha wanna talk about karnaugh maps any more ?
[02:34] <InHisName> s/my/mr./
[02:35] <beta0x64> Well I was doing them but now I'm relaxing
[02:35] <beta0x64> It hurts my head to do something so monotonous
[02:35] <InHisName> finished already, snif snif
[02:35] <beta0x64> I'm wondering if I should go eat some Wendy's now or later
[02:35] <beta0x64> now I am not finished
[02:35] <beta0x64> no*
[02:35] <beta0x64> I am on b out of a,b,c,d,e :(
[02:36] <beta0x64> there was another question before though
[02:36] <InHisName> skip wendy an have a long blast of a time!
[02:36] <beta0x64> >: (
[02:36] <beta0x64> but that meager leftover taco from the fridge ain't filling me up
[02:38] <InHisName> so which is it?   minimizing boolean or maximizing your girth ?
[02:38] <beta0x64> muahaha. you sound like some nerd's search history
[02:39] <InHisName> unless you are as skinny as I always was / is.
[02:39] <beta0x64> I'm 190 pounds
[02:39] <beta0x64> and I really don't care
[02:39] <beta0x64> if I'm hungry, I eat
[02:40] <InHisName> If you were 6'7" then that'd be REAL thin.
[02:40] <beta0x64> I'm 5'7". And I still don't care.
[02:41] <InHisName> Then we're both happy with ourselves.  (the most ideal wt)
[02:41] <beta0x64> I just don't care about my weight at this point.
[02:42] <beta0x64> I care about surviving until next week :\
[02:46] <InHisName> I was surviving then too.  I got 100% in digital design 2.
[02:47] <beta0x64> Well obviously I suck.
[02:47] <beta0x64> Happy?
[02:47] <InHisName> I continued that 100% for several more classes in that 5th year.  Brought my gpa up to 3.2 at finish.
[02:47] <beta0x64> You can inspire me to be healthy all you want; the loss of so many vices simultaneously would drive me insane considering my circumstances.
[02:47] <InHisName> wrong that was HS,  more like 3.4
[02:48] <InHisName> Stick with education, be happy just as you are for rest and be successful with that degree.
[02:49] <beta0x64> That's my plan, though even focusing on developing a career and résumé now has caused a mid-midlife crisis. Though I'm pretty sure the transition from sophomore to junior is supposed to be a shift in looking at work prospects.
[02:51] <InHisName> So you have a couple of years left to go?   Lucky guy.
[02:52] <InHisName> Maybe the economy will be stronger by then ?   maaaayyyybe
[02:52] <beta0x64> 2 if I'm lucky. maybe 2.5 if my 18 credits plan with work doesn't work out
[02:52] <beta0x64> no if I'm lucky we'll be on the triple dip
[02:53] <beta0x64> I had to transfer schools and was unsure of whether or not my mom would die, so I was half-time for a term.
[02:53] <beta0x64> So, now I'm a sophomore and a half ... but I'm full-time again
[02:53] <InHisName> good for you
[02:54] <InHisName> mid-life crisis ?   are you a bit over 23  or so ?
[02:54] <beta0x64> I guess. I just feel like I need to go faster, better, everything but it's so hard to concentrate at home
[02:56] <beta0x64> I'm 20
[02:56] <beta0x64> I'll be 21 in July
[02:57] <InHisName> So you're on normal ed track.  only 47 or so years to retirement.
[02:57] <InHisName> Don't expect all 47 to be paid though.
[02:57] <beta0x64> if something catastrophic doesn't happen
[02:58] <beta0x64> I want to work as a programmer until I can save enough money to start a company.
[02:58] <InHisName> this last 7, I've worked 2 years.   Rest is living off 'extra' savings.
[02:58] <InHisName> Nice plan.
[02:59] <beta0x64> I've realized that you can really only live out of your profits. so you either reduce your spending to accomodate savings or you can make more profits :P
[02:59] <InHisName> u got that right
[02:59] <beta0x64> which the stock market is attractive from a computer science perspective because more and more of it is dominated by automated trading
[02:59] <JonathanD> the whole deal is dominated by automated trading
[02:59] <JonathanD> Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
[03:00] <JonathanD> It's terribly broken from it's "purpose"
[03:00] <beta0x64> so then you have a cash machine and can save enough profits from that up to put a down payment on a loan from a bank for a company
[03:01] <InHisName> Still need that 'sensational' idea to base company upon.  Without it its still born.
[03:01] <beta0x64> and if you advertise enough correctly (which costs money) I think many ideas that are scoffed at would work
[03:01] <beta0x64> nothing is new
[03:01] <beta0x64> just do something less people are doing and rebrand it
[03:02] <beta0x64> I swear I will sink 9 companies to find the tenth
[03:02] <InHisName> that's one method that works for many
[03:02] <beta0x64> a: no way man, that's the easy way out
[03:02] <beta0x64> b: yea man, that's the easy way out!
[03:02] <beta0x64> I choose b
[03:06] <pvl1> hello
[03:06] <beta0x64> greetings
[03:06] <InHisName> Hi pvl1
[03:07] <pvl1> so how do the tables find an optimal circuit
[03:08] <beta0x64> the tables are just a special way of representing a truth table
[03:08] <beta0x64> they are in a position so that each cell with a 1 is a solution, also called a minterm
[03:09] <beta0x64> if two 1's are next to each other, then they can be combined (or there is only 1 thing different between them and you take the difference)
[03:09] <beta0x64> this way you reduce the redundancy
[03:10] <pvl1> u find that fun?
[03:10] <beta0x64> no I find it torturous
[03:10] <beta0x64> but my professor finds it fun to assign it
[03:10] <beta0x64> probably because it's torturous
[03:11] <pvl1> thats cruel
[03:12] <beta0x64> yes it's likely
[03:12] <pvl1> for what class is it
[03:12] <beta0x64> "logic & switching theory"
[03:13] <beta0x64> which so far is just binary for dummies
[03:13] <beta0x64> more like
[03:13] <beta0x64> binary: behind the music
[03:14] <InHisName> Good way to develop solution when programming logic arrays.
[03:15] <beta0x64> or to at least reduce the time taken to calculate some logical answer
[03:15] <beta0x64> but honest to goodness, we're not learning how to write one
[03:15] <beta0x64> we're learning how to do one like a machine...which is a bit silly in my eyes
[03:15] <beta0x64> "oh you have to learn it to program it" ... exactly, so program it to learn it
[03:17] <beta0x64> I could see implementing this into an artifical neural network to recognize karnaugh map shapes and reduce that way
[03:17] <beta0x64> but why?
[03:19] <InHisName> all are great reasons depending on situation to solve.
[03:20] <beta0x64> I guess a karnaugh map could be useful for some kind of gray code recognition thingie
[03:20] <InHisName> yea in a simple form
[03:20] <beta0x64> but that's so vague and specific. you'd probably have hired a mathematician at that point
[03:23] <InHisName> The only people I met who DID karnaugh mapping in their career were contractors with Masters and 25+ years experience.    I never got to do much of the 'fun' stuff, The 'super guy' would swoop in do the fun stuff and then leave us with the drudgery of the rest of the work.
[03:23] <beta0x64> I'm sure he did it by hand, right?
[03:24] <InHisName> 40 years ago, yea,  prolly not that way today.
[03:29] <beta0x64> my point...
[03:31] <InHisName> yea, but 'cause he did karnaugh mapping 40 years ago, he gets the new assignment with new software to do same work.  7 years experience trumps any amount of education.
[03:32] <beta0x64> which type of experience?
[03:32] <beta0x64> workplace?
[03:34] <InHisName> yes, workplace and SPECIFIC.  i.e.  'must have had 7 years working with Windows 7.'   and other idiotic statements.
[03:35] <JonathanD> typical
[03:35] <beta0x64> because it might be tough to get workplace experience without an education and without enough free time to master something in that way
[03:35] <JonathanD> Although my workplace requires 7 years experience with windows 8.
[03:36] <beta0x64> wow JonathanD you must work at a 0-tier piracy "company"
[03:36] <InHisName> JonathanD: then how'd you keep your job ?
[03:36] <JonathanD> InHisName: personally I have 15 years on windows 10
[03:36] <JonathanD> So I'mm good.
[03:36] <beta0x64> I'm pretty good at Final Fantasy 8. does that qualify?
[03:36] <JonathanD> yes.
[03:37] <beta0x64> excelente
[03:37] <JonathanD> They're almost the same thing.
[03:37] <InHisName> might if that is what some HR person is spec'ing.
[03:37] <beta0x64> rawr random monster attack
[03:37] <beta0x64> IRQ error
[03:37] <beta0x64> BSoD :(
[03:37] <beta0x64> rather, IRQ conflict
[03:41] <JonathanD> Oh dear.
[03:41] <JonathanD> windows 98 now? :P
[03:42] <beta0x64> I wish Windows 98 was the last thing I remembered of that OS
[03:42] <beta0x64> don't forget, 98SE
[03:42] <beta0x64> then my all-time personal favorite which I recommend for enterprise servers: windows me
[03:47] <JonathanD> oh dear.
[03:47] <JonathanD> beta0x64: I just exclude ME from memory
[03:47] <JonathanD> people compare vista to ME. those people never used ME.
[03:48] <beta0x64> I recommend Embedded Windows for all train brakes, turbine blades, and sonar radios
[03:48] <beta0x64> D:
[03:48] <JonathanD> heh
[03:48] <JonathanD> lets use CE. CE is ok.
[03:49] <beta0x64> ok dumb question
[03:49] <beta0x64> what does CE stand for?
[03:49] <beta0x64> I am reading about it on wiki but it won't say :(
[03:49] <beta0x64> oh
[03:49] <beta0x64> compact embedded
[09:53] <rmg51> Morning
[09:54] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:14] <rmg51> hi JonathanD
[10:14] <JonathanD> hey
[12:05] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:40] <jedijf> 2 wootoffs
[12:40] <jedijf> woot and kids
[12:50] <InHisName> So what did you buy already, jedijf ?
[14:19] <toggles> beta0x64: lol, we do actually use CE for some train on board systems
[18:12] <beta0x64> toggles, I think I'll walk
[18:18] <toggles> lol
[18:33] <jedijf> http://geekadelphia.com/2011/10/11/ubuntu-release-party-national-mechanics/
[18:43] <pleia2> :D
[20:23] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[22:24] <InHisName> hello, SamuraiAlba, are you having a good bacon time of school ?
[23:21] <SamuraiAlba> Bacons rockins in school!
[23:21] <SamuraiAlba> Sorry for the delay.  Was AFS (Away From Sanity)
[23:22] <SamuraiAlba> Got hired for work study in the Student Success and Testing Center


[04:11] <rww> !pastebin =~ s#http://tinyurl.com/imagebin#http://imagebin.org/?page=add#
[05:13] <bazhang> * FaTHeRBaDTouCH  ok nick?
[05:14] <gpc> nope
[05:14] <gpc> not ok in my book
[05:14] <bazhang> guess not
[05:15] <bazhang> seemed like a deliberately provocative nick
[05:15] <gpc> indeed
[09:50] <bazhang> must be the new year
[09:51] <bazhang> end of Tiger-->beginning of Rabbit
[10:06] <bazhang> so gunndawg is just wasting time. as I surmised yesterday
[10:07] <jussi> bazhang: happy new year!
[10:08] <jussi> bazhang: oh also, I meant to ask you something - you use chinese, right?
[10:08] <jussi> If so, have you been able to use scribus effectively?
[10:08] <bazhang> jussi, thanks!
[10:08] <bazhang> ikonia, that theme works 100% fine
[10:08] <ikonia> I know
[10:09] <bazhang> just tested it.
[10:09] <bazhang> jussi, I'll try!
[10:10] <bazhang> ikonia, just dragging it to themes manager works as well
[10:10] <ikonia> I know
[10:10] <bazhang> so he's making it up out of whole cloth
[10:10] <bazhang> denying ever asking about gdm etc
[11:12] <Peace-> there is a user on #kubunut
[11:12] <Peace-> that says he can not enter in the #ubuntu channel
[11:12] <Peace-> well..
[11:12] <Peace-> <Elssha
[11:13] <Peace-> he is asking for ubuntu stuff
[11:14] <Peace-> i am here
[11:23] <Tm_T> looking for it
[11:23] <Peace-> Tm_T: could i become operator on #kubuntu ?
[11:23] <Peace-> xD
[11:24] <Tm_T> !canibeanop
[11:24] <Peace-> oh ty
[11:27] <Tm_T> Peace-: something else we can help you with? (:
[11:28] <Mamarok> Peace-: there is a non idling policy here
[11:29] <Mamarok> see topic
[11:31] <Mamarok> he seems to be afk
[11:31] <Tm_T> Mamarok: prolly reading those pages
[11:37] <Peace-> oh
[11:37] <Peace-> exiting
[11:39] <knome> "can i bean op"
[11:40] <Tm_T> cani bea nop
[11:45] <knome> or even kani > bean > op
[11:47] <Mamarok> but he would make a good op I think
[11:48] <Mamarok> he is very helpful in #kubuntu
[11:48] <Tm_T> Mamarok: good op eventually, yes
[11:48] <Mamarok> also james147 would be a good candidate
[11:49] <Tm_T> I would like to see how they handle the situations where they can get heated up
[11:50] <Tm_T> an op has to be able to act constructively with flamers too (:
[11:50] <ikonia> are we looking for more ops at the moment (not got email access)
[11:50] <Tm_T> IIRC no
[13:24] <jussi> !arm
[13:25] <jussi>  !arm is <reply> ARM is a specific (RISC) processor architecture used in a variety of applications such as handhelds and networkdevices. For more information see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM. For ARM specific support, stop by the #ubuntu-arm channel.
[13:26] <jussi> !arm > ocean
[13:26] <mneptok> MY NAME IS LEGION.
[13:27] <jussi> mneptok: does that mean youll end up in a herd of pigs?
[13:28] <mneptok> jussi: i've been idling on this channel for years. you're just noticing?
[13:45] <oCean> jussi, just a note on the !arm factoid: I just noticed it ends with a period; the link will not work when clicked from ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[13:52] <topyli> !no arm is <reply> ARM is a specific (RISC) processor architecture used in a variety of applications such as handhelds and networkdevices. For more information see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM . For ARM specific support, stop by the #ubuntu-arm channel.
[13:53]  * topyli learns stuff
[15:13] <MH0> Hi, A heads up
[15:14] <MH0> noteda is a spammer which links goto the gNAA
[15:14] <MH0> He has already doine it in #ubuntu-stack
[15:14] <MH0> * noteda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-stack
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=cK5yl9t_vfc iwillrockyou
[15:14] <MH0> * noteda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-stack
[15:14] <bazhang> not online
[15:14] <gpc> thanks for the heads up MH0
[15:14] <MH0> Hmm... Maybe idoru took care of it
[15:15] <MH0> It seens to be lurking on all networks
[15:15] <MH0> Then coming back ever hour
[15:15] <MH0> I just saw it on FOSSNet
[15:15] <bazhang> MH0, thats outside of #ubuntu-ops domain though
[15:15] <MH0> bazhang: I know
[15:15] <MH0> Just Letting people know
[15:16] <MH0> Should I alert the guys in -irc?
[15:16] <gpc> MH0: wouldn't hurt to let them know there also
[15:17] <MH0> Okay
[15:17] <MH0> Enjoy User Day :D
[16:46] <bazhang> nasty PM from esing^afk
[17:04] <Baba> this thing agian happen you ppl call me jungli
[17:04] <Baba> i tell you that i don't come in ubuntu
[17:05] <Baba> but why you ppl call me Jungli ?
[17:05] <Baba> its dragotory
[17:06] <Baba> are you ppl litsening ?
[17:06] <Baba> haaan ?
[17:06] <Baba> don't call me jungli
[17:06] <rww> Baba: What on /earth/ are you talking about?
[17:07] <Baba> other wise i start trolling in ubuntu !
[17:07] <bazhang> is not Baba jungli using webchat?
[17:07] <Baba> rww: your ops bazhang calling me jungli ?
[17:07] <Baba> it is fair ?
[17:07] <Baba> i never come to ubuntu in these days
[17:07] <Baba> i am fedora user
[17:07] <rww> Baba: Depends. Are you the person that used to wander around the namespace calling themself Jungli?
[17:08] <Baba> plz don't call me jungli
[17:08] <bazhang> Spicemaster is jungli. now using webchat as baba
[17:08] <Baba> so what ?
[17:08] <Baba> i don't come in ubuntu now
[17:08] <rww> I'll take that as a yes.
[17:08] <Baba> who cares about ubuntu the yum is best
[17:09] <rww> I don't see how calling you by the name that you gave yourself and that all the -ops know you by is unfair.  I think Fedora is just the poor distro that has been chosen by them
[17:25] <Baba> sorry i am here
[17:25] <Baba> ubuntu is awesome
[17:25] <Baba> :)
[17:25] <Baba> hmm i don't want to come here but last i say plz don't reveal my past :)
[17:26] <Baba> hehehhe
[17:26] <Baba> and never call em jungli :)
[17:28] <charlie-tca> hm, I had no idea changing a name changes the behavior
[17:29] <rww> Based on his behavior, neither does Jungli.
[17:29] <bazhang> time to warn #fedora ops?
[17:30] <rww> may as well let them figure it out, on the off chance that RPM is sufficiently silly to work well with him.
[17:30] <bazhang> he has two cloaks and the webchat. probably they'll still figure it out
[17:31] <rww> Huh. I thought two cloaked nickserv accounts was disallowed?
[17:33] <gpc> it is
[17:35] <Tm_T> I can name several jolly fellows who has atleast two cloaked accounts ):
[19:24] <Tm_T> erm, http://ubuntuaddict.com/
[19:30] <popey> thats just content scraped from elsewhere isnt it?
[19:30] <popey> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110129024337AAMeVM9
[19:34] <popey> probably http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941354
[19:35] <Flannel> web design fail.  All the posts bleed together.
[19:35] <popey> yup, its him
[19:36] <popey> IMHO
[19:36] <popey> ubuntuaddict.com        A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:36] <popey> addicted-2-retail.com   A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:36] <popey> both godaddy though so could be _anyone_
[19:36]  * popey ends speculating :)
[19:38] <Tm_T> popey: ye, but just, yuch
[23:13] <Jordan_U> Can !intel be removed (or replaced with a more usefull factiod about intel cards in general) now that 9.04 is EOL?
[23:13] <Jordan_U> !intel
[23:15] <gpc> Jordan_U: suggestion?
[23:16] <Jordan_U> I don't have an idea for a better replacement.
[23:16] <rww> could just !forget intel. I have an intel card, and almost all of them don't need to be configured at all (and Poulsbo, the exception, is a mess)
[23:16] <gpc> ok, well for now we can forget it
[23:16] <rww> s/card/chipset/
[23:16] <gpc> !forget intel