[01:17] <tx> Hey guys, I can't seem to find the documentation on manually configuring an existing DHCP server. Lots of places point to http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs2.0/configure.html#manual-dhcp
[01:17] <tx> but it seems to no longer be on the page.
[01:43] <tx> nevermind, all good
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1583891 opened: clean up boot-resources before syncing images as well as after <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583891>
[10:23] <ricos> hello!
[10:23] <ricos> My maas server can install ubuntu 16 on my nodes but when I choose ubuntu 14 it says kernel image not found
[10:23] <ricos> and I have added the right images
[10:23] <ricos> is this a bug or something?
[10:24] <ricos> cause I am trying to install a local cluster and I need the 14.04 version
[13:14] <mup> Bug #1584047 opened: [1.9.3] maas-dhcp failure while/after upgrading to 1.9.3: apparmor_parser: Unable to replace "/usr/sbin/dhcpd".  Permission denied; attempted to load a profile while confined? <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584047>
[13:59] <mup> Bug #1584047 changed: [1.9.3] maas-dhcp failure while/after upgrading to 1.9.3: apparmor_parser: Unable to replace "/usr/sbin/dhcpd".  Permission denied; attempted to load a profile while confined? <oil> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584047>
[16:02] <shewless> Hi. I'm getting "Failed commissioning" on a host. Can someone help me determine why it failed? I have a couple hosts with the same hardware spec that work okay.  Here is the console log: http://pastebin.com/eeaMUvPs
[16:02] <shewless> I can paste more relevant sections if required.
[16:04] <shewless> I see this message.. but I'm not sure if it's the root cause or not.. and I don't know what it means: May 20 15:41:27 controller-3 [CLOUDINIT] handlers.py[WARNING]: failed posting event: start: modules-final/config-final-message: running config-final-message with frequency always
[16:05] <mup> Bug #1584120 opened: maas doesn't seem to like authenticating proxy URLs <amd64> <apport-bug> <xenial> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584120>
[17:12] <kiko> shewless, let me check
[17:27] <shewless> kiko: awesome thanks. I have more logs if  you want.. but the rest of the logs didn't really look meaningful
[17:28] <kiko> shewless,
[17:28] <kiko> May 20 15:41:26 controller-3 [CLOUDINIT] util.py[WARNING]: Failed running /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/user_data.sh [1]
[17:28] <kiko> shewless, are you supplying your own user_data?
[17:29] <kiko> if not, could you get that file into a pastebin?
[17:29] <kiko> [1]#012Traceback (most recent call last):#012  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/util.py", line 715, in runparts#012    subp(prefix + [exe_path], capture=False)#012  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/util.py", line 1704, in subp#012    cmd=args)#012cloudinit.util.ProcessExecutionError: Unexpected error while running command.#012Command: ['/var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/user_data.sh']#012Exit code: 1#012Reason: -#
[17:29] <kiko> dout: ''#012Stderr: ''
[17:29] <kiko> smoser, any hint on the above?
[17:30] <shewless> kiko: I am not supplying any user_data (at least not on purpose)
[17:31] <kiko> hmmm!
[17:31] <kiko> shewless, can you get the output of that user_data.sh?
[17:31] <kiko> shewless, are you on 1.9.3?
[17:32] <kiko> if so, you can pause commissioning and get access to that file to see what is running
[17:32] <smoser> kiko, cloud-init is just reporting that the code maas fed it to run exited non-zero
[17:32] <kiko> by selecting a special option
[17:32] <shewless> I'm on 2.0.0
[17:32] <shewless> I'm not sure how to get the contents of user_data.sh.
[17:32] <smoser> shewless, you may be able to ssh into the instance.
[17:33] <shewless> Is there a "default" login?
[17:33] <kiko> shewless, using your registered ssh key with the ubuntu user
[17:33] <smoser> oh... commissioning. i'm not sure what /who's ssh keys are in tehre.
[17:33] <smoser> kiko, during comissioning ?
[17:33] <kiko> smoser, I think we changed commissioning to add the keys if you select an option when you commission
[17:33] <smoser> whos keys ?
[17:33] <kiko> when you click on commission, there are three radiobuttons
[17:33] <kiko> I assume the user who triggers it?
[17:33] <kiko> err checkboxes
[17:34] <smoser> right. when you explicitly commission i guess.
[17:34] <kiko> isn't commissioning always explicit?
[17:34]  * kiko <- clueless
[17:34] <smoser> and i guess even when you just accept a node, then *someone* did the accept.
[17:34] <kiko> oh, when you accept does it trigger comissioning automatically?
[17:34] <smoser> i think so :). i might ask someone on the maas team to be sure though ;)
[17:35] <smoser> but yeah, you shoudl be able to ssh in, shewless . and then /var/log/cloud-init-output.log might have something useful in it.
[17:36] <shewless> Is there an easy way for me to determine what IP was assigned to this box?
[17:36] <shewless> Don't see it in DNS
[17:36] <kiko> smoser, why don't we ship that back to maas by default?
[17:36] <kiko> feels like we have everything needed to do so
[17:36] <kiko> that's a great question
[17:37] <kiko> it flashes by the console IIRC
[17:37] <shewless> ooh.. I found it.. (just guessing at IPs around the range that had been assigned)
[17:38] <shewless> last line in cloud-init-output.log is more of the same: 2016-05-20 15:41:27,375 - handlers.py[WARNING]: failed posting event: finish: modules-final: FAIL: running modules for final
[17:38] <kiko> shewless, can you apt-get install pastebinit
[17:38] <kiko> pastebinit < /var/log/cloud-init-output.log
[17:38] <kiko> and
[17:38] <kiko> pastebinit < /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/user_data.sh
[17:39] <smoser> you can  probably also just *run* that user_data.sh script
[17:39] <smoser> its going to do the same thing this time. and will probably fail similarly
[17:39] <kiko> yeah
[17:39] <kiko> what smoser said too :)
[17:39] <kiko> you can add a set -x to the top if you want more verbosity
[17:39] <shewless> lol okay. Just gotta get this puppy some internet access
[17:39] <smoser>  sh -x /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/user_data.sh 2>&1 | tee out.log
[17:39] <smoser> pastebinit out.log
[17:40] <smoser> shewless, well, you can jsut collect those over ssh anad move them back and forth to you
[17:40] <smoser> but, yeah. the interenets make things easier
[17:41] <shewless> cloud-init-output.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16528310
[17:42] <shewless> user_data.sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16528340
[17:42] <shewless> result of user_data.sh execution coming up
[17:43] <shewless> BTW pastebinit is AWESOME
[17:43] <smoser> :)
[17:43] <kiko> no kidding yeah
[17:43] <smoser> it is. and its even inside 16.04 images by default
[17:44] <shewless> yes I'm using 16.04 and noticed that it was already installed
[17:46] <shewless> result of user_data.sh execution: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16528508
[17:46] <shewless> some clock skew and HTTP request failures...
[17:48] <smoser> hey. i have to work on some other things... kiko this is squarely maas code that is running here
[17:49] <kiko> smoser, what do you sniff might be happening looking at that output?
[17:49] <smoser> it is not impossible that clock skew is involved.
[17:49] <kiko> request to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS/metadata//2012-03-01/maas-commissioning-scripts failed. sleeping 1.: HTTP Error 401: OK
[17:49] <smoser> you might have errors on the other end too
[17:49] <kiko> shewless, how wrong is the system clock on that machine?
[17:50] <kiko> shewless, 401 is unathorized
[17:50] <shewless> if I type "date" it's bang on.. not sure how to check
[17:50] <shewless> I have commissioned other hosts so it seems weird if it would be an authorization problem
[17:51] <smoser> kiko, i cant help without much  more investigation really.
[17:52] <kiko> smoser, that's fine
[17:52] <kiko> thanks
[17:52] <kiko> shewless, is this the only host that fails?
[17:52] <shewless> kiko: yes
[17:52] <kiko> shewless, if date is bang on then that's not the problem
[17:53] <shewless> I have 4 hosts commissioned and deployed successfully.  2 of which are the same hardware spec as this one that is failing
[17:53] <smoser> well, if it dhcp'd and got date from an ntp source, it might be fixed now.
[17:53] <smoser> but had possibly been a problem.
[17:53] <shewless> should I check the bios?
[17:53] <smoser> i think if you reboot that system, it should set the hardware clock on way down
[17:53] <smoser> so that next time it might work
[17:54] <kiko> smoser, ah, but our dhcp clients are brokenly not updating ntp, see bug in that spec I filed
[17:54] <smoser> its also possible clock is not related and ipmi stuff is failing.
[17:54] <kiko> I think it's unrelated
[17:54] <kiko> the real problem
[17:54] <kiko> I think
[17:54] <kiko> is this
 request to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS/metadata//2012-03-01/maas-commissioning-scripts failed. sleeping 1.: HTTP Error 401: OK
[17:54] <smoser> kiko, well, maybe no
[17:54] <kiko> shewless, if you wget that URL does it fail?
[17:54] <smoser> because maa might just be saying "go away, you're not commissining now"
[17:54] <kiko> that is a weird date btw
[17:54] <smoser> thats an oauthed' resource
[17:55] <smoser> thats the api version of the maas metadata service
[17:55] <smoser> its not changed since then
[17:55] <kiko> interesting
[17:57] <shewless> if I wget that URL it does fail
[17:58] <shewless> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 UNAUTHORIZED  Username/Password Authentication Failed.
[17:58] <shewless> as user "ubuntu"
[17:59] <shewless> that being said if I run the same wget on a successfully deployed system it fails in the same way.. not sure if that is relavent
[18:00] <kiko> well
[18:00] <kiko> it's interesting to say the least
[18:00] <kiko> shewless, "ntpdate clock.ubuntu.com"?
[18:02] <shewless> can't find host clock.ubuntu.com (couldn't ping it either)
[18:04] <shewless> kiko: did you mean ntp.ubuntu.com?
[18:07] <shewless> kiko: my maas server is the wrong timezone.. not sure if that matters
[18:07] <shewless> would think the other nodes would have failed though
[18:07] <kiko> shewless, timezone and clock have nothing to do with each other
[18:07] <shewless> kk
[18:08] <kiko> somewhat counterintuitively
[18:08] <kiko> clock is always utc
[18:08] <shewless> kiko: okay.. I fixed that anyways (change maas server to be UTC like all the other nodes)
[18:09] <kiko> shewless, did ntpdate show a major update?
[18:09] <kiko> or a minor one?
[18:09] <shewless> kiki: 20 May 18:09:35 ntpdate[4678]: adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset -0.007157 sec
[18:10] <shewless> I think that's minor
[18:10] <kiko> shewless, is the maas server also synced?
[18:10] <kiko> i.e. ntpdate from the maas server?
[18:11] <shewless> kiko: on the maas server: 20 May 18:10:56 ntpdate[30075]: adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset 0.000407 sec
[18:11] <kiko> shewless, okay, so clock skew is not the problem
[18:11] <kiko> shewless, re-run the script and echo $?
[18:11] <kiko> if it's zero, then this is a red herring
[18:12] <shewless> kiko: brb. I will do that.. but when I run user_data.sh it does say "+ return 0"
[18:12] <shewless> kiko: so does that mean it's a red herring?
[18:12] <kiko> I /think/ so
[18:12] <kiko> but something is failing on this machine
[18:12] <shewless> boo.. what next? :)
[18:12] <shewless> brb
[18:13] <kiko> 2016-05-20 15:41:26,777 - util.py[WARNING]: Failed running /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/user_data.sh [1]
[18:13] <kiko> that's the only hint
[18:13] <kiko> it says it failed to run it
[18:14] <kiko> it's very strange
[18:26] <kiko> shewless, the fastest thing I have is to try and compare a working commissioning run with a failing one
[18:26] <kiko> to see if it's a red herring or not
[19:33] <mup> Bug #1357086 opened: [2.0b5] Machine Finished Commissioning, it powered off, but power status show's "on" <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357086>
[20:04] <shewless> kiko: I'm attempting to commission another system (that's previously worked in the past). I'll let you know
[20:08] <shewless> kiko: not sure if it's related but on the "failed" device I see an error on the console: "blk_update_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0"
[20:08] <shewless> I don't see that on my "working" device
[20:13] <kiko> I saw that but found it odd
[20:13] <kiko> why is it trying to write to /dev/fd0?
[20:14] <shewless> I have no idea! That's why I ignored it at first.. there isn't a fd0 device
[20:14] <shewless> so the user_data.sh execution looks pretty similar. HTTP Error 401 is still present
[20:15] <shewless> on the "working" system
[20:15] <shewless> anything else I should check? It looks like the "failed system" was VERY close to working in terms of logging
[20:16] <kiko> is the only difference the fd0 warning?
[20:16] <kiko> if so, see if there's a BIOS entry for floppy you can disable?
[20:16] <shewless> that's the only difference I've noticed
[20:16] <shewless> let me look at the bios
[20:17] <kiko> http://askubuntu.com/questions/213512/buffer-i-o-error-on-device-fd0-logical-block-0-error
[20:17] <kiko> when you run blkid it apparently triggers that
[20:20] <shewless> the floppy was enabled in the bios. I disabled it and am trying to commission again... I'm not sure if it's enabled in the "working" node or not
[20:21] <kiko> shewless, if it works, could you file a bug describing the failure to commission and the fd0 error and BIOS fix?
[20:21] <shewless> kiko: I can. Where would I file the bug?
[20:21] <kiko> launchpad.net/maas/+filebug
[20:21] <shewless> okay.. against maas
[20:23] <kiko> shewless, I'd be surprised if we care that much about blkid
[20:23] <kiko> but..
[20:23] <kiko> one hint is that blkid does not appear in that user script
[20:24] <shewless> kiko: the commissioning works after the floppy drive was disabled in the BIOS... now that is really strange :)
[20:28] <shewless> Bug is submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1584211
[20:29] <shewless> kiko: thanks again.. all of my servers are commissioned now.. phew!
[20:29] <kiko> shewless, it's a bug
[20:29] <terje> anyone know if I can use ubuntu-vm-builder to create a VM with 2 nics ?
[20:31] <terje> hey shewless, how's your install coming along?
[20:31] <shewless> kiko: did I screw it up? I think I submitted it as a bug
[20:34] <shewless> terje: I have maas working great. I'm currently exploring a set of ansible scripts that we ahve in house to deploy open stack.  I took a look at conjure up tool but I'm not sure if it's right for me. I want to be able to install a "HA" controller setup and add things like LDAP authentication
[20:34] <terje> what version of MAAS are you using?
[20:34] <shewless> 2.0.0
[20:34] <shewless> on Ubuntu 16.04
[20:34] <terje> gotcha
[20:34] <terje> cool
[20:36] <mup> Bug #1584206 opened: [2.0b5] machine failed to deploy: insufficient free space <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584206>
[20:36] <mup> Bug #1584211 opened: Commissioning fails when BIOS reports floppy drive, but there is none installed <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584211>
[20:37] <shewless> terje: if you have any hints for getting an HA setup using conjure-up I'd have another look :)
[20:39] <terje> so, I've had a hell of a time getting stuff working.
[20:40] <terje> :(
[20:40] <terje> I had a working 16.04 + maas 2.0 but never got openstack working there
[20:40] <terje> so I bagged it and went to 14.04 + maas 1.9.2
[20:41] <shewless> oh that's no good. did 14.04 and maas 1.9.2 help?
[20:41] <terje> it's essentially unusable.
[20:41] <terje> but I do have kind of a cool setup
[20:41] <shewless> what is?
[20:41] <terje> 1.9.2 I can't get working at all
[20:41] <kiko> terje, hmm, I just deployed openstack with autopilot and maas at a customer site
[20:41] <kiko> terje, why does 1.9.2 fail for you?
[20:42] <kiko> on those versions, incidentally
[20:42] <terje> here's my setup
[20:42] <shewless> kiko: does autopilot do controller HA?
[20:42] <terje> I have a physical server loaded with 16.04. I have deployed a VM here, 14.04.
[20:43] <kiko> shewless, yes
[20:43] <terje> once the VM is deployed, I login and run this script
[20:43] <terje> https://github.com/jmcdice/ubuntu-os-cloud/blob/master/maas/maas-trusty-install.sh
[20:43] <terje> the maas-dhcp server never starts
[20:44] <terje> this is where I am stuck
[20:44] <kiko> terje, okay so far..
[20:45] <terje> there is an error in /var/log/upstart/maas-dhcpd.log
[20:45] <terje> /var/lib/maas/dhcpd.conf does not exist.  Aborting.
[20:45] <terje> maas-dhcpd stop/pre-start, process 676
[20:46] <shewless> on 2.0.0 you need to add a subnet to the right fiber and then enable DHCP. I think 1.9.2 is a lot different though
[20:46] <shewless> kiko: I tried to run "openstack-install" but it says "command not found"
[20:46] <shewless> hints?
[20:46] <terje> I think that's being done
[20:47] <terje> in this script, see configure_private() https://github.com/jmcdice/ubuntu-os-cloud/blob/master/maas/maas-trusty-install.sh
[20:48] <terje> kiko: do you have a document you follow which will help me follow?
[20:48] <kiko> terje, you know, the maas install is pretty straightforward. one sec
[20:49] <terje> kiko: I'm trying to make this a repetable process. If you could have a look at the script above and let me know what I'm missing that would be really helpful.
[20:50] <kiko> https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs1.9/install.html#pkg-install
[20:50] <kiko> terje, gotcha. let me think.
[20:51] <kiko> terje, there has to be some error in your install that we're ignoring
[20:51] <shewless> kiko: I guess conjure-up is supposed to be used instead of autopilot in maas 2.0.0?
[20:51] <kiko> or a race condition somewhere
[20:51] <kiko> shewless, you can use both
[20:51] <terje> I'll start a fresh VM and start over
[20:51] <kiko> terje, let me explain
[20:52] <kiko> terje, apt-get install maas should leave you with everything running
[20:52] <terje> ok
[20:52] <shewless> terje: good luck! let me know how it goes.
[20:52] <kiko> terje, is that error, the dhcpd error, happening after the first install, or after you reconfigure?
[20:52] <shewless> kiko: I'm out for the weekend. Thanks again for the help
[20:52] <terje> see ya shewless, probably monday
[20:52] <terje> :)
[20:52] <kiko> thanks shewless -- sorry it was hard to discover that problem, but we'll get the bug nailed so others won't be incovenienced
[20:53] <terje> kiko: I'm going to follow this doc precisely and get back to you
[20:53] <shewless> just happy to have it solved (at least for me).. easy workaround :)
[20:56] <kiko> terje, okay, but answer my question too ;-)
[20:57] <terje> after the first install
[20:57] <kiko> shewless, it was funny that you found the only thing that couldn't possibly be problem but what :-)
[20:57] <kiko> s/what/was/ damn
[20:57] <kiko> terje, so if you comment out configure_maas, configure_private and import_images it still fails?
[20:57] <kiko> if so it's a bug (possibly a race when installing)
[20:58] <terje> if I only run install_maas() dhcpd is not running.
[20:58] <terje> but I'll have to check and see if that error is there
[20:58] <terje> I'll have a new fresh trusty VM up here in a couple of minutes and I can start over.
[20:59] <kiko> but that's not right.. dhcpd has to be running after apt-get install maas concludes
[20:59] <kiko> if it isn't, it's a bug
[20:59] <kiko> the install has to have failed somewhere
[20:59] <kiko> are you checking the return value of apt-get install maas?
[20:59] <terje> no
[20:59] <terje> but I certainly can.
[20:59] <terje> it pulls in a ton of deps
[20:59] <kiko> brb
[20:59] <kiko> I bet it's failing
[20:59] <terje> k
[21:00] <terje> happy to share a screen if you like.. :)
[21:28] <terje> hey kiko, so yea
[21:28] <terje> after install_maas() I have the error
[21:28] <terje> /var/lib/maas/dhcpd.conf does not exist.  Aborting.
[21:46] <kiko> terje, so the question is why is the package install failing
[21:46] <kiko> apt-get install maas should not fail
[21:47] <kiko> if it's failing it's a bug
[21:47] <kiko> we're detecting something wrong in your system
[22:07] <terje> ok, I'll run it again and capture the install log
[22:33] <terje> kiko: http://sprunge.us/OAcb
[22:33] <terje> maas install log
[22:36] <terje> return code was 0


[06:16] <jabberwocky93> morning all
[06:19] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:23] <Kilos> morning all
[06:28] <bduk1> More almal
[06:29] <Kilos> hi bduk1 superfly jabberwocky93 Spekko ThatGraemeGuy
[06:29] <jabberwocky93> more oom Kilos :)
[06:30] <jabberwocky93> more bduk1
[06:30] <superfly> morning Kilos, jabberwocky93, bduk1, inetpro
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:30] <superfly> and ThatGraemeGuy
[06:31] <bduk1> Everybody well this morning?
[06:31] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: did you go to ScaleConf again this year?
[06:31] <Kilos> pro opinion please is sudo touch /forcefsck a bad command and why
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: not this time
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> after going twice in a row I didn't feel like a third time would add anything significant
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> also i'm way more infrastructure focused now, and scaling isn't much of an issue
[06:32] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah, neither did we. Increased number of developers + budget set for other things = no money to go
[06:32] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: after going once I felt like going again wouldn't add anything significant.
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> the only thing we might need to scale sometime is our own puppet infrastructure, clients typically have no need to scale
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> the guys that need to care about that sort of scale typically won't be hosting with the likes of us
[06:33] <superfly> true
[06:33] <Spekko> more Kilos
[06:34] <superfly> these days it's very easy to set up your scalable system using something like EC2
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[06:34] <jabberwocky93> dont forget juju :P
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure what Juliaaaas has to do with it? :-p
[06:35] <jabberwocky93> https://juju.ubuntu.com/
[06:35]  * jabberwocky93 chuckles
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, i know
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> never heard of anyone using it though
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> does it support other distros yet?
[06:36] <jabberwocky93> ah, yeah I've only tried chef
[06:36] <jabberwocky93> if only my RL kitchen was that awesome ^_^
[06:45]  * superfly prefers to use tried-and-tested tools, not Canoical's NIH-syndrome induced alternatives
[06:47] <superfly> *Canonical
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> looking at you, Ubuntu One
[06:48] <superfly> And Upstart
[06:48] <superfly> and Unity
[06:48] <superfly> and Mir
[07:00] <Symmetria> http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/us-airways-tweets-out-photo-of-model-airplane-in-womans-1563098531 <[07:20] <charl_> good morning
[07:20] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:20]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:26] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:26] <charl_> hi Kilos
[07:26] <charl_> how's it going
[07:27] <Kilos> alive and you?
[07:27] <charl_> oh yes, how's it going with the fly
[07:27] <charl_> flu
[07:27] <Kilos> fluffin stu
[07:27] <charl_> wat?
[07:28] <Kilos> still hanging there and bad head day looks like
[07:28] <charl_> ah :(
[07:28] <charl_> no fun man
[07:28] <Kilos> never knew a flu like this
[07:28] <charl_> get better soon !
[07:28] <Kilos> lol im trying man. it not lekker like this
[07:29] <Kilos> havent done a reinstall in 2 weeks
[07:31] <Kilos> they messed up freecell in 14.04
[07:32] <Kilos> you gotta keep playing game after game till you win or you cant close it
[07:32] <Kilos> grrr
[07:32] <Kilos> Maaz, google forcequit for 14.04
[07:32] <Maaz> Kilos: "Add a 'Force Quit' Applet to Ubuntu's Unity Launcher | OMG! Ubuntu!" http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/force-quit-applet-unity-launcher :: "Unity/Theming - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Theming :: "UbuntuUpdates - Package "unity" (trusty 14.04)" http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/base/unity :: "ubuntu-14.04 : Ubuntu -
[07:32] <Maaz> Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-14.04 :: "“unity” source package : Trus…
[07:37] <charl_> killall freecell ?
[07:37] <charl_> or killall -9
[07:38] <Kilos> whats the -9
[07:39] <Kilos> forcequit dont work
[07:39] <Kilos> sigh
[07:41] <charl_> killall kills all processes running under a specified name
[07:41] <charl_> -9 is the signal
[07:41] <Kilos> not freecell that other thing
[07:41] <Kilos> lemme see what its called
[07:42] <Kilos> mahjong
[07:42] <charl_> oh that
[07:43] <Kilos>  (ALT+F2 > xkill > click on Window).
[07:43] <Kilos> i tried that and alt+f2 says nothing matches my search
[07:43] <Kilos> ai!
[07:44] <charl_> it is probably sending the wrong signal
[07:44] <Kilos> hehe
[07:45] <Kilos> every upgrade i gotta learn from scratch
[07:45] <charl_> it's probably sending SIGKILL instead of SIGTERM
[07:45] <Kilos> shoulda got kde rather
[07:45] <charl_> i mean, the other way around :PO
[07:46] <charl_> you on unity right now?
[07:46] <Kilos> ya and its good
[07:46] <Kilos> better than 12.04 unity
[07:46] <charl_> unity has improved a lot
[07:46] <charl_> but i would never use it
[07:46] <charl_> too bloated and slow
[07:47] <Kilos> i like to then i can see whats here and help noobs
[07:47] <Kilos> 14.04 is quicker imo
[07:48] <charl_> hi Vince-0
[07:48] <Kilos> dont let the pro see me say that he will start saying its all relevant
[07:48] <Kilos> hehe
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:48] <Vince-0> haai
[07:53] <Kilos> the killall dont work either
[07:53] <Kilos> grrr
[07:53] <charl_> do you have the right process name ?
[07:53] <Kilos> i just found something
[07:55] <Kilos> the kill minimise buttons dont shoe but if i click in the top panel where they supposed to be i can minimise it and then it shows them buttons
[07:55] <Kilos> maybe thats still got to be sorted with the release
[07:55] <charl_> bah
[07:56] <charl_> best to report it in case
[07:56]  * Kilos goes to see if there are updates
[07:56] <Kilos> report how
[07:56] <charl_> although i'm sure they are really busy now figuring things out right before the release of a major LTS
[07:56] <charl_> launchpad?
[07:57] <Kilos> whew not a good day to think about stuff
[07:57] <charl_> never mind, if it's a common problem i'm sure it'll get fixed :)
[07:57] <Kilos> why didnt you come here yesterday and help the noob
[08:16] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[08:26] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[08:33] <Kilos> inetpro, good morning
[08:33] <Kilos> where is plus2
[09:08] <Kilos> ah charl_ worked it out
[09:09] <Kilos> minimise then drag page to screen size and it still shows close button
[09:09] <Kilos> was kinda over maximising methinks
[09:11] <Kilos> might also be because i installed 14.04 unity onto 12.04 kde without formatting home
[09:23] <magespawn> howdy all
[09:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:37] <magespawn> anybody know why i would lose packets with mtr but not with a simple ping?
[09:43] <Symmetria> magespawn *HRM*
[09:43] <Symmetria> Ive seen that behavior lately as well
[09:43] <Symmetria> and wondered about it
[09:43] <Symmetria> Im not exactly sure what MTR is doing but its something odd
[09:44] <magespawn> my wireless links seem to drop the connection every now and then and i was trying to see which one it was
[09:44] <Symmetria> I dont trust mtr after a friend was running mtr traces to my house and seeing 90% packet loss with it, but there was no packet loss and everything was perfectly fine
[09:45] <magespawn> can you recommend a similar tool Symmetria ?
[09:45] <Symmetria> none that I can think of off the top of my head, I normally run constant pings
[09:48] <magespawn> somewhere i have problem, the link goes down every now and then, seems to take very long sometime
[09:56] <penfifteen> hi all, Kilos
[10:02] <Kilos> hi penfifteen
[10:02] <Kilos> whats with the nick blaze
[10:10] <penfifteen> Kilos: main is used on other machine at home
[10:10] <Kilos> ah
[10:11] <penfifteen> as for the name of this one: type it out, with the fifteen as numbers ;)
[10:11] <Kilos> pen15
[10:11] <penfifteen> yeah
[10:15] <penfifteen> Kilos: you see what it looks like, right?
[10:15] <Kilos> nope
[10:41] <Kilos> haha what are bits and bytes in afrikaans
[10:42] <Kilos> stukkies en happies?
[10:44] <Kilos> afrikaans isnt an IT friendly language
[11:49] <magespawn> Symmetria, is there anyway to do a real world test on speed? there is now adsl available on the exchange here, so that would mean that i could remove the wireless links, but it is only a max speed of 2mb
[13:02] <betabertus8899> hey
[13:03] <betabertus8899> hey guys should you enable the pre-proposed updates?
[13:03] <betabertus8899> or will they cause to many problems
[13:25] <magespawn> betabertus8899, hi there, if you hang around a bit one of the guys will answer your question
[13:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://twitter.com/omgubuntu/status/456060570887020544
[13:40] <betabertus8899> cool
[14:00] <Private_User> afternoon people
[14:17] <Kilos> hi Private_User sorry was asleep
[14:19] <Private_User> no worries, hi Kilos
[14:21] <Kilos> lol are you still revving cellc?
[14:30] <Private_User> lol
[14:31] <Private_User> well internet seems to be fine at the moment
[14:31] <Private_User> touch wood
[14:31] <Private_User> ;)
[14:31] <Private_User> hehe
[14:39] <Kilos> wbb swopping drives
[14:44] <Kilos> nearly hometime you working guys
[14:45] <Vince-0> yees
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> woop woop
[14:46] <Kilos> hehe
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> then time for the terrible 8km commute
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> bwahaha
[14:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:52] <magespawn> i am staying late at work today because the users moan when i do maintenance during the day
[14:52] <Kilos> ai!
[14:52] <Kilos> havent you traced the bad link yet magespawn
[14:56] <Kilos> must be one of them wifi booster things not hot
[14:57] <Kilos> not_found  you at work?
[15:12] <magespawn> no i am busy moving the asterisk server from a virtualbox running on win 7 to its own machine
[15:12] <Kilos> ah
[15:12] <magespawn> then going around to one of the lodges to sort out two dstv decoders
[15:13] <Kilos> wow you do everything
[15:13] <Kilos> learning lots quickly
[15:39] <magespawn> now it is time to go to the lodge
[15:39] <Kilos> ok
[15:40] <magespawn> later all
[15:40] <Kilos> later mage
[15:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:57] <Kilos> hi Wraz
[16:55] <Squirm> nuvolari: ?
[17:31] <betabertus8899> hey guys
[17:32] <Kilos> hi betabertus8899
[17:32] <Kilos> sorry i missed you today, was asleep
[17:32] <betabertus8899> hey man how's things?
[17:32] <Kilos> alive ty and you?
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <betabertus8899> yea good
[17:32] <Kilos> what have you fixed and what have you broken
[17:32] <Kilos> oh
[17:33] <betabertus8899> i fixed the double sent mail issue
[17:33] <Kilos> i membered after we went off
[17:33] <Kilos> what was it?
[17:34] <Kilos> you can open synaptic and in edit at the top should be a fix broken option
[17:34] <betabertus8899> edit-account settings-copies and folders, then just unselect place copy in sent folder
[17:35] <Kilos> ah
[17:35] <betabertus8899> looks like thunderbird placed a copy and the server saves a copy
[17:35] <betabertus8899> very simple fix that took like 3 sec
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <betabertus8899> but took me like 4 hours seaching the net... yeah
[17:36] <Kilos> takes a while to learn
[17:36] <betabertus8899> haha so now sticking with thunderbird for now
[17:36] <betabertus8899> yea- a long time
[17:37] <betabertus8899> now busy looking for graphics driver for duel gpu laptop
[17:37] <Kilos> its a big move from windows to linux
[17:37] <betabertus8899> has intel hd 4000 and has GT740m Nvidia card - the machine then switches between them
[17:38] <Kilos> if you type in the dash additional it should then search for the drivers you need
[17:38] <betabertus8899> also managed to install the msoffice 2010 with playonlinux today! yeah
[17:38] <Kilos> you just download office
[17:38] <betabertus8899> yeah looked there, but shows noting
[17:39] <betabertus8899> i was looking around and found this for now, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation
[17:39] <Kilos> why do you need specific nvidia drivers
[17:39] <betabertus8899> looks like what i need, downloading now like 220mb size
[17:40] <betabertus8899> cuz its high end gaming card and there is no drivers standard
[17:40] <Kilos> do you do gaming
[17:42] <betabertus8899> yes sometimes
[17:42] <betabertus8899> at the moment just using seam for linux and jamming some dota 2
[17:43] <Kilos> steam?
[17:43] <betabertus8899> but poor graphic performance as just running with onboard
[17:43] <Kilos> you can try installing nvidia-current
[17:44] <Kilos> works well and when you get kernel upgrades you dont need to reinstall as with specific drivers
[17:44] <betabertus8899> yea... http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[17:44] <betabertus8899> amazing gaming options and works on linux!
[17:45] <betabertus8899> ok cool
[17:45] <betabertus8899> how do i use nvidia-current?
[17:45] <Kilos> you got the install command inna noggin yet?
[17:45] <betabertus8899> for steam?
[17:45] <Kilos> what do you want to use? it just works
[17:46] <Kilos> well install nvidia-current and then get a steam game and see
[17:46] <betabertus8899> ok will try the method im using now, if not will try current
[17:46] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install nvidia-current
[17:46] <Kilos> it will install nvidia settings as well
[17:47] <Kilos> most likely 304
[17:48] <betabertus8899> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-319.17-driver
[17:48] <betabertus8899> this looks good
[17:48] <betabertus8899> maybe will install this
[17:48] <betabertus8899> if the bumblebee does not work
[17:48] <Kilos> oh you using 64bit?
[17:49] <betabertus8899> yes
[17:50] <Kilos> cool
[17:52] <betabertus8899> is hardcore gaming possible on linux?
[17:52] <Kilos> with steam ya
[17:52] <Kilos> you need to ask the gamers
[17:52] <betabertus8899> haha ok
[17:52] <Kilos> not_found  you here?
[17:53] <Kilos> maybe neil will know
[17:53] <betabertus8899> ok cool
[17:53] <betabertus8899> if anyone knows please share
[17:53] <Kilos> i just do basic stuff that doesnt cost
[17:53] <betabertus8899> like if i wanted to play call of duty
[17:53] <betabertus8899> or battlefield
[17:54] <betabertus8899> would that be possible?
[17:57] <Kilos> are they games for windows?
[17:57] <Kilos> those games in playonlinux should work
[18:10] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[18:10] <theblazehen> hi!
[18:10] <theblazehen> I got a better IRC client :D
[18:10] <Kilos> what you got now
[18:10] <theblazehen> weechat :)
[18:10] <Kilos> na
[18:12] <theblazehen> oops..
[18:27] <Kilos> theblazehen  what was i supposed to see with that nick
[18:28] <theblazehen> Kilos: ah yes.. 1 = i, 5 = S
[18:28] <Kilos> i dont understand
[18:29] <Kilos> im on another drive so dont see what it was
[18:29] <theblazehen> it was pen 15 - change 1 to i, 5 ro s
[18:29] <theblazehen> it was pen 15 - change 1 to i, 5 to s *
[18:30] <Kilos> sis man
[18:30] <Kilos> hehe
[18:30] <theblazehen> lol :p
[18:30] <theblazehen> I admit: I'm kinda immature sometimes
[18:30] <Kilos> haha
[19:04] <theblazehen> join ##ipominer
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:32] <betabertus8899> hello?


[21:39] <brendan_> anyone around for a (hopefully) easy question?
[21:42] <brendan_> well.... i'll just throw it out here, in hopes that someone takes note. :)
[21:42] <brendan_> i'm using upstart inside a xen domU
[21:42] <brendan_> (aside: works great, very happy with it)
[21:43] <brendan_> however, i've noticed something wierd when using the "console output" stanza
[21:44] <brendan_> if the script runs during the startup phase (ie, "start on startup") then everything works great
[21:45] <brendan_> if i switch to runlevel 2 (by calling /sbin/runlevel --set=2) then i start getting the "staircase effect" for anything starting up afterwards
[21:45] <brendan_> i've tried setting "stty onclr", but it doesn't work. (capturing the output of stty -a shows that the setting has been set)
[21:46] <brendan_> obviously, this is just a nit-picky display issue since there is no functional problem with upstart running
[21:46] <brendan_> but i was hoping someone had an idea of something else i could try
[21:47] <brendan_> i can run "tput hpa 0" to reset the line to the left everytime before i echo something out, but that only works for things i intentionall echo
[21:48] <brendan_> STDERR output still ends up with the staircase effect
[21:48] <brendan_> any ideas?
[21:48] <keesj> brendan_: perhaps it  is a tty that gets started on runlevel 2 , the replacement inits do grep /etc/inittab and do perform kinky actions
[21:49] <brendan_> would upstart itself be doing that behind the scenes?
[21:50] <keesj> yes, can be
[21:51] <brendan_> the only scripts upstart is running are the ones i've placed in event.d - the ones that call external scripts in init.d have all been replaced
[21:53] <keesj> in that case I guess not. I have no idea :p
[21:53] <brendan_> heh. drat
[21:55] <keesj> but apparently you do use the "compatible" scripts. As I understand it "runlevel" really is a system v scripts
[21:56] <brendan_> is there a better way to switch the runlevel?
[21:57] <brendan_> or is the idea that runlevels will disappear completely with upstart eventually?
[21:57] <keesj> the whole concept of runlevels as numbers is "system 5 init"
[21:57] <keesj> brendan_: I am not a developer of upstart so I can not say
[21:57] <keesj> but yes. the idea is to let event perform the right actions
[21:58] <brendan_> kreesj: ah. thanks


[01:58] <wxl> cjwatson: but i can only mute for my own user, not for the team, correct?
[08:29] <cjwatson> wxl: IIRC yes
[10:51] <rbasak> wxl: the server team used to have a "notserv" (IIRC) tag for bugs like that. Use of it is very rare. But in theory recipients could then filter on X-Launchpad-Bug-Tags.
[22:38] <kyrofa> All my LP snap uploads are failing with this message: "Store upload failed: ('Connection aborted.', gaierror(-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution'))"
[22:41] <kyrofa> Although when I hit retry I get a "same content has already been uploaded" email and in the dashboard I do indeed see snaps
[22:41] <kyrofa> Hmm
[22:42] <kyrofa> Except for my ppc one, it's missing
[22:54] <nickoe> maybe the lp services are bumpy right now
[23:16] <wgrant> kyrofa: Should be fixed
[23:22] <kyrofa> wgrant, something is off with the reviews, too. They're taking forever, and the one that's currently running says "Task d878f6f1-0a17-4dac-becc-c7c990f023c7 failed"
[23:23] <wgrant> kyrofa: Which snap?
[23:23] <wgrant> The problem will be unrelated.
[23:24] <kyrofa> wgrant, nextcloud
[23:45] <kyrofa> It's been like 30 minutes. Not failed, not succeeded, and not letting anything else run
[23:48] <wgrant> kyrofa: Fixed.
[23:48] <wgrant> kyrofa: That one review got caught up in a dashboard deployment
[23:49] <wgrant> (and all the rest were queued until that one completed)
[23:49] <wgrant> Since reviews for revisions of a single snap happen one at a time
[23:49] <wgrant> So we just retried the review for that one revision, and the rest will process over the next 10-15 minutes (nextcloud is big and the resquashing takes like 5 minuts)
[23:49] <kyrofa> Thanks wgrant


[14:21] <fabianomarechal> quit
[14:21] <fabianomarechal> exit
[14:29] <fabianomarechal> Good morning. I `m Brazilian
[14:33] <fabianomarechal> 1
[14:33] <fabianomarechal> anybody here?
[14:33] <luna> yeah
[14:34] <fabianomarechal> nice


[19:41] <yofel> hi, does someone know if I can enable/disable a release in a daily build recipe over the API? I tried:
[19:41] <yofel>     recipe.distroseries.append(ubuntu.getSeries(name_or_version="raring"))
[19:41] <yofel>     recipe.lp_save()
[19:41] <yofel> wrong one
[19:41] <yofel>     recipe.distroseries.append(ubuntu.getSeries(name_or_version="raring").self_link)
[19:42] <yofel> but lp_save() doesn't do anything


[02:39] <phillw> tsimonq2: ping
[02:40] <tsimonq2> phillw: yes?
[02:41] <phillw> did you find your master?
[17:05] <phillw> tsimonq2: have you tracked wxl down, or do we need to report him as missing?
[17:05] <tsimonq2> phillw: haven't spoken to him today yet
[17:05] <phillw> kk
[17:06] <tsimonq2> phillw: I'll text him in like 30 minutes if he isn't on, he has a morning meeting every day and sometimes he arrives late from it
[17:07] <phillw> I may catch him later.... bug 1559507 seems to have a brother in Ubiquity..... Bad timing!!!!
[17:08]  * teward yawns
[17:10] <phillw> teward<EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems to have found a possible cause, as to if it is THE cause will need to be seen.... But, as you said, they are onto the little critter and I look forward to a 'bug squished' status on said gremlin :)
[17:11] <teward> phillw: right, that's matsubara here on IRC, i've been in the loop already on the fact both were around, he poked -devel though
[17:22] <wxl> phillw: yes i'm back alive again i think
[17:23]  * tsimonq2 kicks wxl in the shin, then drags him by his ear over to a PM
[17:54] <tsimonq2> phillw: you have mail
[17:54] <wxl> no he doesn't
[17:54] <wxl> you sent from an unsubscribed email :/
[17:55] <tsimonq2> *sigh*
[17:55] <tsimonq2> hold on
[17:55] <wxl> i'll fix it :/
[17:55] <tsimonq2> thank you wxl
[17:55] <tsimonq2> phillw: soon :)
[17:56] <wxl> done
[17:56] <tsimonq2> thank you again wxl :)
[17:57] <wxl> tsimonq2: you available to help with testing/bug notes/etc?
[17:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: at dad's, so limited, but sure :)
[18:19] <phillw> tsimonq2: the notes are prepared, let's get bad bug out of the way and see what still needs including :)
[18:19] <phillw> wxl: **
[18:19] <phillw> or even ^^
[18:19] <wxl> phillw: by bad bug, you mean the one affecting d-i?
[18:22] <phillw> wxl: no, he is the one we blamed for breaking alt, server and possibly ubiquity as well.... Damn these testers finding the devs have broken some serious stuff :D
[18:23] <wxl> phillw: wow i didn't know that was potentially affecting ubiquity. sheesh.
[18:23] <wxl> phillw: although i did know that ubiquity's messed up.
[18:24] <phillw> wxl: yeah, Nio pointed out a possible link and one of the canonical guys has found at least potential offender ..... Good old permssions!!
[18:24]  * wxl facepalms
[18:24] <wxl> phillw: you'd think they'd know better!
[18:24] <phillw> I've been very polite :)
[18:25] <phillw> as opposed to "which muppet broke everything by updating without asking for testing?" ..... I'm happy in my padded cell these days :P
[18:26] <phillw> wxl: btw, has your letter arrived yet?
[18:27] <wxl> phillw: yes it did and i was going to take care of it today but i left the bloody thing at home along with some other paperwork i wanted to take care of today.
[18:28] <phillw> is okay... as long as it safely there, I don't have to resend Rafael a form.... If the instructions of 1 of these and 2 of the others need clarification I can have chat with the bank... They've been wonderful in helping us and will get a well deserved mention when it is all set up.
[18:29] <wxl> excellent
[18:29] <phillw> all the forms have to fly back to UK.... after that, I can go nag the hell out of Julien!!!
[18:30] <wxl> yay!
[18:31] <phillw> Then, I am required to attend the bank with passport and proof of address to proceed..... It's all about money laundering.... We should be so lucky!!!!
[21:57] <phillw> wxl: at present I cannot see a reason to call for testers between bug 1559507 and {Do you think / can you check} if bug #1549529,  "The keyboard is still installed as US-English even if another language  is selected during the installation" is related to this bug? Bug #1549529 affects the desktop iso files and ubiquity. If they are related, maybe something else is buggy, not the installers.From Nio, I am unsure to announce / ask for people
[22:05] <phillw> teward: can you check with bug master / release team and see if this 2nd bug needs the importance upping...


[00:22] <rockstar> Anyone want to take a really mechanical branch?
[00:22] <rockstar> sinzui, maybe you're still around? ^^
[00:22] <sinzui> yes
[00:23] <rockstar> sinzui, alright, running tests now, will send it your way.
[00:23] <sinzui> okay. Thanks
[00:37] <rockstar> sinzui, proposal sent.
[00:37] <sinzui> I will watch for it
[01:27] <sinzui> rockstar: r=me Good to land as it is.
[02:05] <wgrant> Any reviewers around for a fix for bug #432832?
[02:05] <mup> Bug #432832: update-sourcecode broken for people without access to shipit and c-i-p <Launchpad Foundations:In Progress by wgrant> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/432832>
[02:06] <rockstar> wgrant, hi
[02:07] <rockstar> wgrant, where's you patch?
[02:07] <wgrant> rockstar: Pushing. Give me a moment.
[02:14] <wgrant> Slooow push.
[02:24] <wgrant> ... and I of course stuffed up the MP.
[02:24] <wgrant> rockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-432832/+merge/12109
[02:33] <rockstar> wgrant, you know you can just send the bundle, right?
[02:33] <wgrant> rockstar: That relies on me having email set up properly.
[02:33] <wgrant> I've never actually used bzr-send before.
[02:33] <wgrant> I probably should work out how to do it.
[02:34] <rockstar> wgrant, if you plan on submitting patches as regularly as you have been, I suggest you learn to.  :)
[02:34] <rockstar> If there are holes in our documentation, feel free to bug me and I'll fix them.
[02:35] <rockstar> wgrant, how have you tested this?
[02:39] <wgrant> rockstar: lamalex installed LP with a very similar patch, and I ran rocketfuel-get with it on both existing and new installations. I haven't tested how it goes with shipit and c-i-p available, of course.
[02:40] <rockstar> wgrant, how can I test it, since I have both available?
[02:42] <wgrant> rockstar: Run 'utilities/update-sourcecode ../../lp-sourcedeps' to verify it works on an existing one. Then maybe uncommit a revision or two from a branch, remove another branch, run it again, and verify that they're all up to date.
[02:44] <wgrant> You should not see any errors, since you have access to shipit and c-i-p.
[02:55] <rockstar> I never knew about this script.
[02:56] <wgrant> rockstar: rf-get, so by extension rf-setup, use it.
[02:56] <wgrant> However it was just rewritten.
[02:57] <rockstar> wgrant, ah, okay.  I eventually wrote my own script because my folder layout was different, and rf-setup/rf-get only supported one installation location.
[02:58] <wgrant> rockstar: By overriding the LP_PROJECT_ROOT envvar I'm able to have it working on three different installations.
[02:59] <rockstar> wgrant, yeah, it used to not support that.
[02:59] <rockstar> Also, AIUI, it still doesn't support separate branches and trees.
[02:59] <wgrant> Probably not.
[02:59] <wgrant> I don't normally use it either, but that's because it was terribly slow.
[02:59] <wgrant> Now it only takes a couple of minutes.
[03:02] <wgrant> rockstar: Thanks. Can you land that for me?
[03:02] <rockstar> wgrant, yeah.  I'll have to figure out how to do that.
[03:05] <wgrant> utilities/ec2test.py --headless -s "[r=rockstar][ui=none] fix update-sourcecode in the case that optional branches are inaccessible" lp:~wgrant/launchpad/bug-432832<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:05] <wgrant> Maybe throw a ' (wgrant)' just after the '[ui=none]'.
[03:05] <wgrant> Some people do, some people don't.
[03:06] <rockstar> Yea, I'm not sure I need to run that through ec2test.
[03:06] <wgrant> True.
[03:07] <rockstar> I don't see a direct way of doing it with bzr-pqm, so off to ec2 it went.
[03:07] <wgrant> OK, thanks.
[03:08] <wgrant> I'll leave the big rocketfuel-setup breakage (bug #432830) to somebody more qualified.
[03:08] <mup> Bug #432830: rocketfuel-setup does not work <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/432830>
[03:08] <rockstar> Man, I currently have your ec2 runs going.  My wife is going to think I'm buying crap on Amazon again.
[03:08] <rockstar> s/your/four/
[03:08] <wgrant> Heh.
[03:18] <rockstar> wgrant, I killed the ec2 instance and figured out how to just pqm submit it.
[03:52] <wgrant> rockstar: Great, thanks!
[03:52] <rockstar> wgrant, thanks for your patch.
[12:47] <bac> henninge: could i trouble you for a trivial review?  it's about a four line change.
[12:47] <bac> if not i'll rs it
[12:48] <henninge> bac: sure, bring it on
[12:50] <gary_poster> henninge, btw happy late bday :-)
[12:50] <henninge> gary_poster: thank you ;-)
[12:54] <bac> henninge: MP sent.  waiting for it to show up
[12:55] <bac> hi gary_poster.  do you know about http://www.sparkcon.com/ ?  it sounds fun but i've never been -- all the way in raleigh...
[12:56] <gary_poster> bac: lol, no, looks cool!
[12:56] <bac> henninge: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/import_error/+merge/12115
[12:56]  * henninge looks
[12:56] <bac> gary_poster: some friends of mine started it a few years ago.  it's really grown huge.
[12:59] <gary_poster> bac: wow, cool!  I wish there were a better "keep track of the actually cool events in the triangle" feed.  The ones I've seen don't include the stuff I want to see. ;-) until the most exciting thing I knew about this weekend was a greek festival. ;-)
[12:59] <gary_poster> until now I mean
[13:00] <bac> gary_poster: yeah, i'm thinking i may have to break my 'no raleigh' rule today and wander down there
[13:00] <henninge> bac: are you keeping the commented-out import for documentation purposes? Is that common practice so that people know what it means?
[13:02] <bac> henninge: no, it was an oversight.  i'll remove it
[13:02] <henninge> bac: ok, r=me then ;-)
[13:02] <bac> henninge: danke
[13:02] <henninge> bitte!
[14:25] <bac> hi abentley
[14:57] <abentley> bac: Happily, this is only a problem with the test, and yes, I caused it.
[14:57] <bac> abentley: great.  if you can get a fix in rs=bac it would be great!
[14:59] <abentley> bac: Will do.


[09:32] <derek[] > :)
[09:33] <AndyFitz> g'day
[09:36] <derek[] > good day! :)
[09:36] <derek[] > I received Ubuntu CDs a day before..
[09:36] <derek[] > I'm very happy :)
[09:36] <derek[] > I ran the live CD and was very satisfied :)
[09:37] <AndyFitz> great
[09:38] <derek[] > Then I went to their site, to drop a thanking message
[09:38] <derek[] > but found that my account was washed out.. and now i needed to re-register at some launchpad site
[09:39] <derek[] > Anyway, I'd like to contribute to this great open-source community
[09:40] <kamstrup> you are most welcome derek[]  :-D
[09:40] <derek[] > :D
[09:41] <kamstrup> What kinda stuff do you like to do?
[09:43] <derek[] > i'm not really an expert in using the os tools yet, but i'm into graphic designing
[09:43] <derek[] > http://derek.vnvsoft.com/
[09:44] <derek[] > my main skills are in Flash animations
[09:44] <derek[] > which, sadly, i may have to leave when I migrate to linux
[09:51] <kamstrup> Yeah that is likely... :-(
[09:51] <kamstrup> But Inkscape is a GREAT tool for SVG editing :-D
[09:51] <derek[] > :D
[09:51] <derek[] > no doubt
[09:51] <derek[] > It really impressed me very much! I love Inkscape!
[09:52] <kamstrup> :-D
[09:52] <derek[] > and in many ways I found it better than Adobe Illustrator :)
[09:52] <kamstrup> The Inkscape developers will be glad to hear that!
[09:52] <kamstrup> What version of Inkscape have you been using?
[09:53] <derek[] > started recently
[09:53] <derek[] > 0.42
[09:54] <kamstrup> OK. I just saw that you recieved Ubuntu CDs in the mail and figured you where using Hoary... - which doesn't have 0.42
[09:55] <kamstrup> The on-canvas gradient editing in 0.42 is a great improvement over previous editions
[09:56] <derek[] > i'm in windoze right now
[09:56] <derek[] > haven't installed nix yet
[09:56] <derek[] > coz i have to wrap up some old work started in flash
[09:57] <derek[] > but i've started using inkscape and gimp, instead of illustrator and photoshop, already :)
[09:57] <kamstrup> also in Windows?
[09:58] <derek[] > also ?
[09:58] <derek[] > yea i'm using the windows versions
[09:59] <kamstrup> oh, just saw that you hadn't installed nix yet :-) Cool
[10:02] <derek[] > :)
[10:02] <derek[] > what about you?
[10:03] <AndyFitz> heya derek[]   your site won't work
[10:03] <AndyFitz> without jscrip
[10:03] <derek[] > yea :/
[10:03] <derek[] > you don't have js enabled?
[10:03] <AndyFitz> I do now .
[10:03] <derek[] > okay
[10:04] <AndyFitz> google doesn't like your site mate.   w3 it up
[10:04] <AndyFitz> ;-)
[10:04] <kamstrup> derek[] : I run Ubuntu Breezy exclusively.
[10:05] <derek[] > kamstrup, kool. but it isn't a final release ..
[10:05] <derek[] > AndyFitz, :)
[10:06] <derek[] > AndyFitz, hope you have the flash plugin installed
[10:07] <AndyFitz> derek I do.  I teach tutor flash to design studios ( while evangelising inkscape for illustration of course )
[10:07] <derek[] > I see :)
[10:12] <derek[] > Who designed the Ubuntu logo?
[10:12] <AndyFitz> a studio in south africa
[10:13] <derek[] > I see
[10:13] <kamstrup> If I where to do a 3d-ish Ubuntu logo, would the three circles map to spheres or cylinders?
[10:14] <AndyFitz> I have a great respect for identity discovery and wouldnt attempt it at my current design weight
[10:14] <derek[] > spheres
[10:14] <derek[] > AndyFitz, i didn't get you
[10:14] <kamstrup> ... hehe. I'd figure cylinders myself derek[]
[10:14] <AndyFitz> kamstrup,  technically its a trademark and you can't do anything to it without permission
[10:15] <derek[] > kamstrup, those circles are the heads of the people I reckon :) ..so spheres ;)
[10:15] <kamstrup> AndyFitz: Yes. But what if I'm designing wallpapers I'd like to request for submission in Breezy?
[10:16] <AndyFitz> derek[]  there are people who put serious thought into design.  a brand design created a huge amount of maturity and insight
[10:16] <derek[] > and why would you not do it?
[10:16] <AndyFitz> kamstrup then design the wallpaper and use the ubuntu logo correctly.  ( enough whitespace.  no closeness to other logos  etc
[10:16] <derek[] > i mean, if you're required to design a brand identity
[10:17] <AndyFitz> derek[]  maybe one day I will be doing that.
[10:17] <derek[] > ok =)
[10:17] <AndyFitz> derek[]  if I was require I would refuse
[10:17] <derek[] > why?
[10:17] <kamstrup> AndyFitz: What I'd like to do is to make the Ubuntu logo enclose the earth
[10:18] <AndyFitz> its not my place. Id have the respect for the entity requesting my services to reccomend them to the right studio. not attempt it myself and give them second grade design
[10:18] <AndyFitz> kamstrup.  I'm sorry we really need to create a brand guide for ubuntu ( I believe canonical is doing this )  it will mention more about the logo and how to use it .
[10:19] <AndyFitz> right now we only have a few set in stone rules ..  like  don't rotate it so one of the circles is directly on top or below
[10:19] <derek[] > ohh
[10:19] <derek[] > :)
[10:19] <derek[] > I didn't notice the fixed positioning
[10:19] <derek[] > :)
[10:19] <derek[] > nice!
[10:20] <AndyFitz> it would send a bad message to have an entity on the top or bottom .   visually:  it places one member of the community at an un-equal balance of the others
[10:20] <kamstrup> I better lay off a 3d model then, since there's no official way of doing 3d-circle-of-friends...l
[10:20] <AndyFitz> as if to say "  this guy has to carry the weight"  or  "this guy is above these other two guys "
[10:21] <derek[] > Guys, although I'm not an expert-level graphic-artist, (may be not even intermediate), I'd be very glad to help out the ubuntu-artwork in anyway I could. So please ask me if I could be of any use. :)
[10:21] <AndyFitz> derek[]  that would be awesome mate
[10:21] <derek[] > :]
[10:21] <AndyFitz> derek[]  do you use a form of instant messenger ?
[10:21] <derek[] > AndyFitz, i get your point.
[10:21] <derek[] > Yeah
[10:21] <derek[] > all :D hehe
[10:21] <derek[] > i've been a windoze user ;)
[10:22] <AndyFitz> sweet .  PM me and I'll add you<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is my jabber
[10:22] <derek[] > aww :(.. not jabber
[10:22] <derek[] > I use MSN, ICQ, Yahoo
[10:22] <AndyFitz> okay pm me your ICQ ;-)
[10:22] <derek[] > ok
[10:23] <kamstrup> Check out my proposal here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-September/000260.html
[10:24] <derek[] > AndyFitz, got it ;)
[10:24] <derek[] > kamstrup, ok.
[10:27] <kamstrup> As far as our authority goes, we don't have much. As far as I know we are to _suggest _ various items for inclusion, and then Canonical/Ubuntu-devs deecide whether or not to use it.
[10:28] <derek[] > I see
[10:29] <kamstrup> It's a bit frustrating not knowing whether or not a piece of work is going to be used, but that's how it is for now. If we really do good that might change.
[10:29] <derek[] > Okay :)
[10:30] <derek[] >  - Artwork 2005-09-29
[10:30] <derek[] >  - Release 2005-10-13
[10:35] <derek[] > I'm away for meal
[11:17] <derek[] > The six calender wallpapers should have a
[11:17] <derek[] > 	common red thread - maybe even a history.
[11:17] <derek[] > "red thread"?
[11:17] <kamstrup> I don't know if it's a proper english term...
[11:17] <kamstrup> Like a common idea
[11:18] <derek[] > I see
[11:18] <kamstrup> sharing a theme/feel/mood etc
[11:18] <derek[] > understood
[11:18] <kamstrup> :-D
[11:18] <derek[] > :]
[11:27] <derek[] > http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Ubuntu-UbuntuGlasses_1600x1200.jpg
[11:28] <derek[] > nice
[11:28] <derek[] > who did it?
[11:31] <derek[] > Is this totally CG?
[11:33] <kamstrup> Don't know...
[11:33] <derek[] > ok
[11:34] <kamstrup> If it's a photography there's prolly some copyrights problems attached to it... :-S
[11:35] <derek[] > :/
[11:37] <derek[] > Some nice CG work: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57355
[11:55] <kamstrup> Yeah, nice, but not exactly what you'd include in a commercial distro ;-P
[11:56] <derek[] > ?
[11:56] <derek[] > commercial distro?
[11:57] <kamstrup> Well... Commercial and commercial... Ubuntu is sort of commercial if you ask me. In a good way that is!
[11:58] <derek[] > o.o
[11:58] <derek[] > Its free!
[11:59] <derek[] > commercial is - that which is making money
[11:59] <derek[] > :)
[11:59] <derek[] > is it?
[12:07] <kamstrup> I guess that it's a long term goal to make money. I don't know _anything_ about this though...
[12:07] <kamstrup> It will always be free of charge
[12:09] <derek[] > yes
[12:09] <derek[] > and they said, even the enterprise edition will be free
[12:30] <derek[] > be back later
[12:35] <ogra> i dont think comercial aspects have any point here, but rather, the question: does a girl firing a weapon on someone, comply with the "humanity to others" slogan we tout... ;)
[12:49] <kamstrup> That was also (to some extent) I meant. "Is this the message you want to send as an enterprise?" (touting Humanity to others)...
[12:49] <kamstrup> ;-P
[01:38] <kamstrup> Gotta go. If you're subscribed to ubuntu-art check your mailboxes... Cheers!
[03:31] <AndyFitz> hahahahahaha  I just saw the images in question
[03:32] <kamstrup> ... sorry, what was he talking about?
[04:55] <mpathy> Hi there.. I came because of the appeal in the mailing list.. what need to be done? :)
[05:02] <mpathy> nobody here?