[06:04] <cpaelzer> doko: cyphermox: It is always the new guy which struggles but due to that has a chance to make documentation better :-) I wanted to ask what you'd think of the following http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JXMtDcnYBb/ ?
[06:09] <cpaelzer> Or to better map asciart with text http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gX9ZYmntRX/
[06:41] <alterjsive> sladen: it looks like it breaks after I install vagrant
[06:42] <alterjsive> I reinstalled my system, did a full update, did a reboot. Then I installed vagrant and now I get a busybox
[06:42] <alterjsive> after a reboot
[06:45] <sladen> alterjsive: how was 'vagrant' installed, and from where?
[06:49] <alterjsive> y boot breaks after I install vagrant(updates initfs?)
[06:49] <alterjsive> Steps:
[06:49] <alterjsive> install ubuntu & reboot
[06:49] <alterjsive> do a full update & reboot
[06:49] <alterjsive> install vagrant & reboot
[06:49] <alterjsive> => busybox
[06:51] <alterjsive> I'm a consultant, can I also pay for support? :)
[06:52] <sladen> alterjsive: how was 'vagrant' installed, and from where?
[06:53] <alterjsive> sladen: i just did a sudo apt-get install vagrant -y on a clean updated system.
[06:53] <sladen> alterjsive: ie. from an Ubuntu package (which exact version), or from a Debian package (which exact version), or from downloading from the internet
[06:54] <sladen> alterjsive: okay, that this single action (sudo apt-get install vagrant -y ; sudo reboot)  results in getting a busybox loging?
[06:54] <sladen> login?
[06:55] <alterjsive> vagrant (2.0.2+dfsg-2ubuntu8) bionic; urgency=medium
[06:55] <cpaelzer> doko: cyphermox: I'll be unavailable next weeks MIR meeting (PTO)
[06:56] <cpaelzer> just FYI as I checked next weeks meetings
[06:56] <alterjsive> 1 sec i'll reboot to check the exact message
[06:58] <sladen> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vagrant/2.0.2+dfsg-2ubuntu8
[06:58]  * sladen pages Old_Bloke
[07:01] <alterjsive> Busybox  v 1.27.2 .... (initramfs)
[07:03] <alterjsive> sladen: any idea how to fix this initramfs issue?
[07:04] <sladen> alterjsive: what is the *exact* error message(s) on boot up
[07:04] <alterjsive> sladen: I get a busybox immediatly
[07:05] <sladen> alterjsive: what does the output say, immediately before "getting a busybox" ?
[07:05] <cpaelzer> alterjsive: FYI I'm trying to recreate that per steps you listed above to cheeck if it generally applies
[07:05] <alterjsive> sladen: can I check some logfile?
[07:05] <sladen> cpaelzer: https://github.com/chef/bento/issues/661  could be a possibility
[07:07] <sladen> cpaelzer: but don't want to distract alterjsive from trying to debug and get hard facts!
[07:10] <alterjsive> sladen: should I check the boot log from a bootable usb?
[07:11] <cpaelzer> steps of about 22 minutes ago work fine for me, vagrant is installed and reboot works as expected
[07:11] <alterjsive> after a failed boot /var/log/boot.log
[07:11] <cpaelzer> so yeah, lets try to get reasonable logs from alterjsive case
[07:12] <alterjsive> ok brb reboot
[07:12] <alterjsive> any other logs ?
[07:13] <alterjsive> I'll add /var/log/dmesg too
[07:13] <sladen> alterjsive: boot log, dmesg, etc.  Something will say *why* this boot up has gone to busybox (and without logs the going to busybox is the only we have indication here of anything non-normal here...)
[07:27] <alterjsive> sladen: I don't see anything unusual in the boot.log
[07:28] <alterjsive> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vKFz4rc95y/
[07:29] <alterjsive> dmesg is not a log I found out :)
[07:29] <alterjsive> I just copied all files in my log dir
[07:34] <alterjsive> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318 i've added my logfiles
[07:35] <alterjsive> all of them
[07:43] <alterjsive> I'm sure you guys are busy , I should move this conversation to another channel right?
[07:46] <sladen> alterjsive: well here is good.  keeps all the IRC logs in one place
[07:47] <alterjsive> did I say that right. an initfs update?
[07:48] <alterjsive> previous kernel version it works until another initfs update
[07:49] <alterjsive> my current kernel is working, can I make a backup ? in case I install something which does a update-initramfs ?
[07:50] <alterjsive> I need to continue my work now(deadline)
[07:53] <sladen> alterjsive: tihs syslog has four bootups in it.  Which are the good ones, and which are the bad ones
[07:53] <sladen> this
[07:55] <sladen> alterjsive: "my current kernel is working"  <-- *which* (exact version) kernel is working?
[07:56] <sladen> alterjsive: the syslog shows 3x boots with "(Ubuntu 4.15.0-29.31-generic 4.15.18)" and 1x boot with "(Ubuntu 4.15.0-34.37-generic 4.15.18)"
[07:57] <sladen> alterjsive: $ grep 'Linux version' log/syslog
[08:03] <alterjsive> grub says my latest kernel is  4.15.0-34-generic and the one i'm using now is 4.15.0-29-generic
[08:04] <sladen> alterjsive: so 4.15.0-34-generic is the *non*-working
[08:04] <alterjsive> yes
[08:04] <sladen> thank you
[08:04] <alterjsive> I was thinking about reinstalling it
[08:04] <sladen> and this is nothing to do with vagrant?
[08:05] <sladen> the *only* change is switching from kernel 4.15.0-29-generic (working) and rebooting with 4.15.0-34-generic (not working)
[08:05] <alterjsive> sladen: I'm under the impression that a update-initramfs breaks it, just a gut feeling
[08:06] <sladen> alterjsive: please confirm, that to replicate this, the *only* action needed is selecting one kernel, vs. the other kernel in Grub on bootup
[08:07] <sladen> s/replicate/reproduce this bug/
[08:07] <alterjsive> sladen: yes
[08:07] <sladen> thank you
[08:08] <sladen> alterjsive: and that in neither case "safe mode" is being selected in Grub
[08:08] <alterjsive> sladen: yes
[08:10] <alterjsive> 1 sec I'll be more specific. After installing vagrant it did a update-initramfs which broke booting from kernel 4.15.0-34-generic when I switched back, using the grub menu, to a previous kernel  4.15.0-29-generic I could still boot without problems
[08:11] <alterjsive> any objections to sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic linux-image
[08:12] <alterjsive> sladen: or do you need anyting more from me for debugging purposes?
[08:12] <sladen> alterjsive: please upload the working and non-working initramfs
[08:13] <alterjsive> sladen: how?
[08:13] <sladen> alterjsive: same way the lof files were uploaded
[08:13] <sladen> alterjsive: same way the log files were uploaded
[08:14] <alterjsive> where do they live?
[08:15] <sladen> alterjsive: ls -l /dev/*init*{4.15.0-29,4.15.0-34}
[08:15] <sladen> alterjsive: ls -l /boot/*init*{4.15.0-29,4.15.0-34}   sorry
[08:22] <alterjsive> sladen: it's +-100MB, can I post it on launchpad?
[08:22] <alterjsive> together
[08:23] <sladen> alterjsive: or at least post the output of ls -l for the moment
[08:24] <alterjsive> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318/+attachment/5193066/+files/initramfs.tar.gz
[08:24] <alterjsive> ls -l /boot/*init*
[08:24] <alterjsive> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 54060073 sep 26 08:20 /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-29-generic
[08:24] <alterjsive> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 59276945 sep 26 08:36 /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-34-generic
[08:27] <alterjsive> sladen: my best guess is that when I install virtualbox, I will break my current kernel aswell
[08:28] <alterjsive> because it updates initramfs
[08:29] <alterjsive> sladen: can I try to reinstall the latest kernel now?
[08:29] <sladen> alterjsive: just before "Log ended: 2018-09-26  08:36:21" there is "Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.130ubuntu3.3)" "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-34-generic"
[08:29] <sladen> alterjsive: yes
[08:30] <alterjsive> sladen: I see, I don't know the implectations of that
[08:30] <sladen> alterjsive: this is a place were only "initrd.img-4.15.0-34-generic" is updated, and not the older one
[08:31] <sladen> alterjsive: did 4.15.0-34 work *before* the initramfs was updated?
[08:34] <alterjsive> sladen: yes
[08:34] <sladen> righht...
[08:34] <alterjsive> I only got the busybox after i installed vagrant
[08:34] <alterjsive> sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.15.0-34-generic
[08:34] <alterjsive> brb reboot
[08:37] <alterjsive> sladen: no luck, still busybox
[08:39] <sladen> alterjsive: and if you remove   apt-get remove --purge vagrant  ?
[08:39] <alterjsive> sladen: won't it try to remove it from the current kernel?
[08:40] <alterjsive> ok maybe it's cheaper to buy a new laptop with hardware raid
[08:41] <alterjsive> sorry bit frustrated
[08:41] <alterjsive> apt-get remove --purge vagrant, brb reboot
[08:51] <alterjsive> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318/+attachment/5193074/+files/cannot%20activate%20member%20md127.jpg
[08:52] <alterjsive> sladen: looks like it's a fake raid issue
[08:53] <alterjsive> sladen: luckally I can still boot using the previous kernel
[08:55] <sladen> alterjsive: from the working kernel.  Please upload   cat /proc/mounts
[08:56] <sladen> alterjsive: thank you for the screenshot of the actual error message
[09:00] <alterjsive> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318/comments/11
[09:07] <sladen> ...
[09:09] <sladen> alterjsive: looking at this tarball from earlier containing logs, the syslog contains these four boots, including one of -34
[09:09] <alterjsive> sladen: I tried installing kernel 4.15.0-33-generic, but I get a busybox
[09:09] <sladen> alterjsive: if the mirror/raid away on mounted on root had not booted, then the syslog from the boot would not have saved.  So this boot of -34 appears to have worked
[09:10] <sladen> s/away/array/
[09:11] <alterjsive> sladen: when I installed 33, I tried to reboot, but I had to do a hard shutdown using the button because it hung on a stop job for WPA supplicants, i don't know if this is significant
[09:12] <alterjsive> this used to happen all the time
[09:12] <alterjsive> lately
[09:12] <alterjsive> sladen: yes it worked, before I installed vagrant
[09:14] <sladen> alterjsive: so 08:20 boot with -29, reboot to -34 at 08:30, install vagrant at 08:36, reboot, (reboot to -34 failed, no logs), reboot at 08:38 to -29, reboo at 08:59 to -29
[09:16] <alterjsive> sladen: looks like it
[09:19] <sladen> alterjsive: please upload the output of  find /etc/initramfs-tools/ -ls
[09:21] <alterjsive> sladen: I just installed virtualbox, I didn't see update-initramfs
[09:21] <alterjsive> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318/comments/12
[09:24] <alterjsive> Setting up virtualbox-dkms (5.2.10-dfsg-6ubuntu18.04.1) ...
[09:24] <alterjsive> Loading new virtualbox-5.2.10 DKMS files...
[09:24] <alterjsive> Building for 4.15.0-29-generic 4.15.0-34-generic
[09:24] <alterjsive> Building initial module for 4.15.0-29-generic
[09:25] <alterjsive> just so you know
[09:30] <cpaelzer> doko: didrocks: I'd be happy if one of you here in my TZ could do a quick check if bug 1794219 is really ok (I found nothing) before I grant the MIR Team ack
[09:34] <cpaelzer> would you run this in valgrind to check for "Incautious use of malloc/sprintf" of the checks in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MIRTeam ?
[09:37] <cpaelzer> II did, but just want to learn on best practise for these
[10:05] <alterjsive> sladen: could you change the status back to posted? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318
[10:06] <alterjsive> sladen: it's complete now right?
[10:09] <sladen> alterjsive: did installing virtualbox cure things?
[10:10] <alterjsive> sladen: I don't dare to reboot
[10:10] <alterjsive> I will reboot the end of the day after my work
[10:10] <LocutusOfBorg> what is the virtualbox problem?
[10:10] <LocutusOfBorg> if none, nevermind
[10:11] <alterjsive> LocutusOfBorg: nothing yet, thx
[10:13] <alterjsive> sladen: if I want mirroring on linux and to use my self encrypting drive encryption. Should I buy a laptop with hardware raid? is this even possible?
[10:13] <alterjsive> sorry a bit off topic I know
[10:14] <alterjsive> ok I'll reboot, here goes nothing
[10:15] <mwhudson> cpaelzer, rbasak: hey can i ping you guys to get a new package imported?
[10:15] <mwhudson> cpaelzer, rbasak: in particular, rustc (it's a little large)
[10:20] <alterjsive> sladen: no lock, luckally I can still boot
[10:20] <alterjsive> on 27
[10:20] <alterjsive> 29*
[10:27] <alterjsive> sladen: are you planning to pick this bug up soon, just for my own indication?
[10:39] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: I can give it a try
[10:39] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: do you need a one shot, or a regular re-import?
[10:41] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: I'll do a --no-push --active-series-only first to check if it is affected by any odd issues before going for all of the history
[10:41] <sladen> alterjsive: can you run  mdadm --assemble --scan  at some point
[10:41] <mwhudson> cpaelzer: regular would be awesomest
[10:42] <mwhudson> (can you not just import all of ubuntu already!! ;-p)
[10:42] <alterjsive> sladen: ok, will try it tonight, thx
[11:15] <sladen> xnox: this upload of mdadm (4.1~rc1-3~ubuntu18.04.1) ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1779685
[11:15] <doko> cpaelzer: looks good
[11:16] <sladen> xnox: (might) be the cause of  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318  slangasek in particular referred to some udev rules from upstream being pulled into the Ubuntu package
[11:19] <sladen> xnox: "IMSM RAID geometry validation failed." and "platform does not support raid1 with 2 disks" + initramfs emergency shell is the result using an initramfs with this copy of mdadm
[11:23] <cpaelzer> doko: the bug update or the pastebin with the changes?
[11:32] <sladen> alterjsive: mdadm --detail-platform  also please later
[11:33] <alterjsive> sladen: ok, will do
[11:36] <rbasak> mwhudson: I'll try an import and see how it goes
[11:45] <cpaelzer> rbasak: will you run the real import then, that would be nice
[11:45] <cpaelzer> rbasak: if my faster already started version stumble ssomewhere I'll let you know
[11:48] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I'm running it (in the screen) for real. If it succeeds it'll push.
[11:48] <rbasak> cpaelzer: though it's important to then add it to the whitelist so that it keeps up afterwards
[11:50] <xnox> sladen, i am sad =/
[11:52] <xnox> sladen, disabling mdadm raid in the bios screens (typically Ctrl+I) and booting the drives directly might be an option.
[11:52] <sladen> xnox: currently the user is using their previous initramfs (with previous copy of mdadm included)
[11:53] <xnox> sladen, however, the install is done on top of intel raid.... as per partman
[11:53] <xnox> sladen, detail-platform would be useful, as well as the state/healthiness of the array from bios. quite likely there are unclean shutdowns and thus array is out of sync.
[11:54] <sladen> xnox: can you give a list of useful debugging commands for the user to run?
[11:55] <xnox> sladen, this user is interesting....
[11:55]  * xnox is reading logs
[11:58] <xnox> sladen, specifically they forced mdadm installation from kubuntu desktop
[12:03] <sladen> xnox: tarball::log/apt/history.log  Start-Date: 2018-09-26  08:35:14  Commandline: apt-get install -y vagrant  ... mdadm:amd64 (4.1~rc1-3~ubuntu18.04.1, automatic).   What are you seeing?
[12:27] <xnox> sladen, i'm reading installer logs, as to how the system installation was done.
[12:27] <cpaelzer> rbasak: it ran a while without issues and is done (with the reduced set)
[12:27] <cpaelzer> rbasak: so your run should hoefully work as well
[12:29] <alterjsive> did you guys say anything about sed's and raid btw?
[12:29] <alterjsive> I know i'm a bit ambitious in my IT demands :)))
[12:40] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks for all the MP reviews!
[12:47] <rbasak> More to come :)
[12:51] <jbicha> cpaelzer: one comment on your paste: Ubuntu bugs easily get into Confirmed status so I consider New and Confirmed to be equivalent
[13:21] <tych0> smoser: another aws noob question for you if you have a moment, I'm getting, "ClientError: Unsupported configuration: Multiple etc directories found"
[13:22] <tych0> my root filesystem is an lvm thin pool, with several thin pools underneath it (all of them have /etc)
[13:23] <tych0> there are some other lvm volume too (none of them have /etc), but in any case, the one that's specified as / in grub does have a reasonable /etc and is a thin pool. do you know if this is supported? or is something else going on?
[13:34] <cpaelzer> jbicha: yeah, since confirmed has no meaning yet we can define them as "the same" for this
[13:34] <cpaelzer> jbicha: updated in the draft thanks
[13:36] <cpaelzer> updated draft http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HZXPnGk5sr/
[13:42] <smoser> tych0: is this pvm ?
[13:42] <smoser> hvm should use grub2 and grub2 i would think might have issues, but such issues would not be specific to ec2
[13:43] <smoser> pvm uses grub-legacy-ec2 which writes /boot/grub/menu.lst for a pv-grub loader to load.
[13:43] <smoser> that is hacky and generally deprecated, and i don tknow of the support for lvm volumes there.
[13:44] <tych0> smoser: i don't know the difference :)
[13:44] <tych0> smoser: i just used image-import by following the default docs
[14:03] <smoser> tych0: its probably hvm then.
[14:04] <smoser> but if that is the case hten you should most likelyi be able to reproduce outside ec2
[14:04] <tych0> smoser: sadly, the image boots fine other places
[14:04] <didrocks> cpaelzer: yeah, +1 for me, double checking by security is needed as you set
[14:06] <tych0> and it's not that it doesn't boot here, it's that aws won't import it. presumably because it's looking through all th ethin pools and seeing multiple /etc dirs
[14:06] <smoser> can you do a ec2-describe-images call on it ?
[14:06] <smoser> i dont know their "import" process. i only have familiarity with the bare bones path
[14:06] <smoser> where you push bytes and then try to boot them.
[14:07] <tych0> oh
[14:07] <tych0> well that sounds interesting :)
[14:07] <tych0> how do i do that?
[14:11] <tych0> (smoser)
[14:12] <tych0> smoser: i don't think i can do describe-images, because it never got successfully imported (the error i pasted above is from the import job)
[14:12] <smoser> oh.
[14:13] <smoser> its possible its just a buggy process flagging somethign that would otherwise work
[14:13] <tych0> yeah, i'm wondering if that's what's happening
[14:13] <tych0> not a lot of info on the interwebs about this, though
[14:14] <tych0> admittedly, a nested thinpool for / is a strange situation, i suppose
[15:10] <hallyn> smoser: btw is it safe to assume that the code for generating and uploading the virtual images to aws is in lp?
[15:13] <infinity> hallyn: Ish.
[15:14] <infinity> hallyn: livecd-rootfs is responsible for all the heavy lifting there, but for public clouds, there's also a secret sauce branch that does some extra bits that aren't public.
[15:15] <infinity> hallyn: Oh, and the "and uploading" part is definitely not public.  Though, I'm not sure there's any strategic reason why it couldn't be, just that it's not, AFAIR.
[15:15] <hallyn> ok.  a matter of "it would cost time/money to figure out whether there's secret sauce or not" probably
[15:16] <hallyn> thanks infinity
[23:29] <Sven_vB> hi! is this the right place for help with debugging ubiquity?


[21:01] <hehehe> hey hey
[21:01] <hehehe> going to buy small desktop
[21:01] <hehehe> :D
[21:01] <hehehe> laptop gives burning smell
[21:02] <hehehe> hehe
[21:02] <hehehe> maybe cpu paste
[21:02] <hehehe> or go figure
[21:03] <gunix> ok ...
[21:05] <hehehe> :)
[23:35] <jak2020> hi all anyone use here ec2 services?
[23:43] <ddellav> I'm sure there are lots of people here using aws, best to ask your question and let those of us consider it :)
[23:45] <jak2020> i created a server.. ubuntu server 64 bits, my quesiton is, how to access wich is the password of root user?
[23:50] <ddellav> jak2020 when connecting to a fresh ubuntu server with on EC2 you will ssh to the ubuntu@ip using the key file you setup in AWS console
[23:52] <jak2020> yes
[23:52] <jak2020> i am on the console, but i want do a su-  (wich is the password?


[20:43] <zphinx> is cloud-config autoinstall supported in 24.04 desktop installer, or is the recommended way still the server iso and adding ubuntu-desktop ontop of it?
[23:06] <KGB-X> gnome-software signed tags 3006373 Jeremy Bicha upstream/46.1 * Upstream version 46.1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/tags/upstream/46.1
[23:07] <KGB-X> gnome-software upstream/latest 45efe06 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 61 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/compare/0ad1e4b...45efe06
[23:07] <KGB-X> gnome-software upstream/latest 11fa61d Milan Crha src/gs-app-details-page.c * gs-app-details-page: Do not pass NULL into g_markup_escape_text() * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/-/commit/11fa61d
[23:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 11fa61d in gnome-team/gnome-software "gs-app-details-page: Do not pass NULL into g_markup_escape_text()"
[23:07] <KGB-X> gnome-software upstream/latest 90fa7b9 Athmane MOKRAOUI po/kab.po * Update Kabyle translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/-/commit/90fa7b9
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[23:07] <KGB-X> gnome-software upstream/latest b7706ae Milan Crha src/gs-app-details-page.c * Merge branch 'backport-1945-escape-null-gnome-46' into 'gnome-46' * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/-/commit/b7706ae
[23:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit b7706ae in gnome-team/gnome-software "Merge branch 'backport-1945-escape-null-gnome-46' into 'gnome-46'"
[23:07] <KGB-X> gnome-software upstream/latest 8f96725 Milan Crha plugins/fedora-pkgdb-collections/gs-plugin-fedora-pkgdb-collections.c * fedora-pkgdb-collections: Incorrect state set on the upgrade app * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/-/commit/8f96725
[23:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 8f96725 in gnome-team/gnome-software "fedora-pkgdb-collections: Incorrect state set on the upgrade app"
[23:08] <KGB-X> gnome-software upstream/latest eadd005 Milan Crha plugins/fedora-pkgdb-collections/gs-plugin-fedora-pkgdb-collections.c * Merge branch 'backport-1949-fedora-pkgdb-gnome-46' into 'gnome-46' * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/-/commit/eadd005
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[23:08] <KGB-X> gnome-software pristine-tar 0aebb7c Jeremy Bícha gnome-software_46.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-software_46.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-software_46.1.orig.tar.xz * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/-/commit/0aebb7c
[23:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 0aebb7c in gnome-team/gnome-software "pristine-tar data for gnome-software_46.1.orig.tar.xz"


[01:12] <Tronic> The Gnome Shell version currently in 13.10 sometimes loses focus when new windows are created.
[01:13] <Tronic> Nothing (neither the old or the new window) gets focused and all keyboard shortcuts (including Logo and Alt+Tab) stop functioning.
[01:13] <Tronic> This seems random, focus is not always lost, only very often.
[01:13] <Tronic> A mouse click is required to focus some window, to restore keyboard functionality.
[01:59] <Tronic> Additionally, screen lock now seems to switch off HDMI signal (with Nvidia drivers), causing music playback to stop. I'm not sure when this started but it must've been quite recently.
[02:01] <Tronic> I suppose that this is some cool new power saving feature but since I use HDMI to listen to music at night, it doesn't quite work as intended.
[04:22] <pepee> great, I just broke my system, kind of...
[04:23] <pepee> radeon.ko won't load, unless I run  insmod radeon.ko  manually  :/
[04:24] <pepee> I wanted to patch it, so I rebuilt the whole kernel package. well, it worked, but I got yet more problems
[04:48] <m113t> Hi there - I have an issue where the boot loading screen is in text and no longer has graphics?
[05:10] <pepee> a .ko file was copied to two different folders under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/   ...  ;_;
[05:44] <roberth1990> hello
[05:44] <roberth1990> when I try to boot *ubuntu 13.10 install medium on my comp, I always just get into busybox...
[05:45] <roberth1990> its an uefi system
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> !uefi
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> not sure if you have seen this wiki
[05:46] <roberth1990> havent seen it, but all that which is said there is taken care of
[05:47] <roberth1990> I installed *ubuntu 13.04 without any problem on the system
[05:50] <wilee-nilee> roberth1990, You checked the sum of the iso, there are dailies, I would try them as they come out you can zsync them.
[05:52] <roberth1990> md5sum is correct
[05:53] <roberth1990> tried rewriting to the usb stick over and over again, using different methods, cleaning the partition table
[06:10] <roberth1990> well
[06:11] <roberth1990> still the same result after reseting partition table on the usb drive I am using
[06:11] <roberth1990> but...
[06:11] <roberth1990> now I notice some graphical corruption over the black screen before going into busybox
[06:11] <roberth1990> and the prompt in busybox is (initramfs)
[06:42] <roberth1990> arghhh
[06:45] <roberth1990> is there any images of 13.10 where there is only the core system of ubuntu and textbased installer?
[06:47] <yofel> the server image uses d-i (and the mini.iso - i.e. netinst)
[06:49] <roberth1990> d-i?
[06:55] <yofel> debian-installer (i.e. the text UI)
[06:56] <roberth1990> ah k
[06:56] <roberth1990> trying it now... brb...
[07:25] <IamTrying> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/  - I have this problem with kernel 3.11.x
[07:26] <IamTrying> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ - My Logitech camera C920 is a security camera runs for 24/7, Why Ubuntu disconnect the camera automatically ? and system crash
[07:30] <IamTrying> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams - Where is Ubuntu 13.x 100% stable usb camera lists?
[07:30] <IamTrying> This is very annoying with Ubuntu i have not a single camera in USB getting stable , causing crash of my system.
[07:31] <IamTrying> Ubuntu should at-least recommend one camera for UBuntu 13.x which really works 24/7  projects. Not like just capture once and assume it works for long run.
[07:32] <IamTrying> Logitech C920 was good camera, but its never working for 24/7 capturing project with Ubuntu 13.x
[09:14] <electricprism> How do I add a resolution to unity-system-compistor?
[09:15] <electricprism> does mir have a config file i need to edit or do i need to issue a command?
[09:16] <electricprism> It only detects up to 1024x768 and I need 1280x1024
[09:24] <electricprism> no one :(
[11:05] <IamTrying> When a camera is available.
[11:05] <bekks> hmm?
[11:05] <IamTrying> Is it friendly for UBuntu to read the capture and disconnect the capture or is it more friendly for UBuntu to capture on boot and stop capture when power off?
[11:06] <IamTrying> I bought 30 USB cameras from different vendors, to test Ubuntu 13.x which one he fails and why.
[11:06] <penguin42> IamTrying: Wow nice!
[11:06] <IamTrying> Can anyone please advise what is Ubuntu friendly approach ?
[11:06] <penguin42> IamTrying: What do you mean by 'Ubuntu friendly approach'
[11:07] <IamTrying> penguin42, I want to make this version stable, getting very upset 2 year it failed. Now that we have kernel 3.11 it has to be stable
[11:07] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, but I don't understand really what question you're asking
[11:07] <IamTrying> penguin42, I had one USB camera C920 it was crashing the Ubuntu. Where i was capturing the camera and disconnecting it as loop
[11:07] <bekks> Capturing should be started the the application starts it, and should be stopped when the application stops it. Capturing and connection are different things.
[11:08] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, when you say it crashes, does the whole machine crash or just the capture program?
[11:08] <IamTrying> penguin42, Whole system crash like black screen with wite texts
[11:08] <IamTrying> penguin42, i figure out it was xhbc issue
[11:08] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, that sounds like a kernel panic
[11:08] <bekks> Which texts?
[11:08] <penguin42> IamTrying: Have you got a photograph of the white text?
[11:09]  * penguin42 would suggest using one of your cameras....
[11:09] <IamTrying> bekks, its like xhbc flooding issue mentioned in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612
[11:09] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES in camera i will share you
[11:09] <bekks> Thats not a crash at all.
[11:09] <bekks> And there is a fix, too.
[11:10] <IamTrying> bekks, That is a biggesttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt annnoying crash ever i had. and it drops my remote SSH access its horriable
[11:10] <bekks> It is not a crash.
[11:10] <penguin42> hang on
[11:10] <bekks> It is a simple bug, with a fix released.
[11:10] <IamTrying> bekks, that fix is in kernel 3.11 but then camera is suspended which is not solving my issue
[11:10] <penguin42> IamTrying: That bug you refer to is not the same as whatever is causing the crash
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, indeed that is the cause causing the crash. Since i moved to kernel 3.11 system is stable
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, but with kernel 3.11 i do not have then camera available lsusb
[11:11] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, so on 3.11 what problems do you have ?
[11:11] <bekks> Unless you show us a picture of the "white text", we cant confirm it was the cause of your crash.
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, When that bug occure kernel suspend the lsusb all devices
[11:11] <bekks> The bug does not report a crash at all.
[11:11] <penguin42> IamTrying: Ah ok, so forget about old problems now - lets just think of things on 3.11
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, in new kernel what it does is it suspend or disconnect all usb devices
[11:12] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, I don't quite understand what you mean by that; if you power the machine on from cold with the camera attached does it work?
[11:12] <IamTrying> bekks, that does crash all my ubuntu 12.x with latest kernel since i moved to 13.x and kernel 3.11 system is not crashing but i have no usb devices
[11:13] <IamTrying> penguin42, yes once it works and after a while when i am capturing camera, then usb device get disconnected
[11:13] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, if that happens can you capture the dmesg of it after it's stopped working?
[11:13] <IamTrying> penguin42, with new kernel the system is not crashing but xhbc problem when occure kernel suspend/disconnect all usb controllers as a result i do not have any usb
[11:14] <IamTrying> penguin42, I have it too, i will share 1) screenshot and 2) that dmesg log
[11:14] <penguin42> IamTrying: Also, are these plugged directly into your PC or do you have any USB hubs?
[11:15] <IamTrying> penguin42, Directly plugged in so that on shutdown i can power cycle the USB devices not with external USB hubs
[11:15] <penguin42> ok good, most USB hubs suck
[11:15] <IamTrying> penguin42, i used external usb hubs too, to power them even the system was shutdown or software rebooted
[11:15] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES usb hubs are not best, cause they externally powering the device
[11:16] <penguin42> IamTrying: Well it's ok when they DO externally power the device, but most of them have awful power supplies
[11:16] <IamTrying> penguin42, it did not worked for me with external usb power hubs it sucks was worst
[11:16] <IamTrying> penguin42, so now all connected to mother-board usb controllers straight
[11:17] <IamTrying> penguin42, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/
[11:17] <penguin42> IamTrying: Right, although for example I know on my PC that if I have stuff connected to both USB sockets at the front it can't supply power for both at the same time
[11:18] <penguin42> IamTrying: And that's on 3.11 ?
[11:20] <IamTrying> penguin42, 1) http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0  2) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/
[11:22] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, 1 is a kernel oops - I guess that happened as you hot-plugged a camera? If you can trigger that on 3.11 please report it, it's separate to any other bug
[11:22] <IamTrying> Summary: 0) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612 1) the crash: http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0   2) kernel 3.11 usb is disconnected because xhbc is flooding was detected by kernel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/
[11:22] <IamTrying> penguin42, its happening on kernel 3.11x
[11:22] <IamTrying> penguin42, the usb device is connected forever 24/7
[11:22] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, please file a bug for that and tell me the bug number
[11:23] <IamTrying> OK - penguin42
[11:23] <penguin42> IamTrying: I'm not sure that the stream of xhci errors you're seeing is the same as the bug 1207612 - the text of the message is certainly different
[11:24] <IamTrying> penguin42, in new kernel its different in old kernel it was straight to that crash screens
[11:24] <IamTrying> penguin42, new kernel protects from being happening the crash screen shot
[11:24] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, as I say, just stick with new kernel
[11:24] <bekks> That IS NO crash.
[11:24] <penguin42> bekks: The picture is an oops, it is a crash
[11:24] <bekks> Thats not a crash. Thats an oops.
[11:24] <IamTrying> bekks, that is a YES crash. Cause when it happens, i remotely do not have SSH access
[11:24] <penguin42> bekks: OK, split hairs
[11:25] <IamTrying> bekks, i have serious experience and it was regular happening like i can simulate that re-create it
[11:25] <penguin42> bekks: Some oops's bring the system down and some don't, for him it has
[11:26] <bekks> koopses do not bring a system down, since they are isolated from the "rest" of the infrastructure. Thats why they are oopses and not panics.
[11:26] <penguin42> bekks: Either way, that oops shouldn't happen, it's a bug and needs fixing
[11:26] <bekks> Yeah, thats correct. But thats still no crash ;)
[11:27] <penguin42> IamTrying: Anyway, your other errors, again, report them - but keep it as simple as possible; just poot with that webcam installed, be as simple as possible and do an   ubuntu-bug linux
[11:27] <IamTrying> bekks, the reason i believe its a CRASH, therefore today i bought USB 30 camera's with random brands. And i want to pin point what exactly happening doing random loop testing with random camera's now. I will report a full bug
[11:27] <IamTrying> penguin42, OK
[11:28] <bekks> One cammera would be sufficient.
[11:28] <bekks> -m
[11:28] <penguin42> bekks: Well, multiple cameras are good to find which issues are camera specific
[11:28] <penguin42> IamTrying: Does your machine have any USB2 ports?
[11:29] <IamTrying> well in that case its Logitech C920 usb camera which is the main culprit of my system down. The rest i have seems to be less issues by now. Being testing since yesterday evening, haven't slept 2 days, its a nightmare issue for me.
[11:29] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES USB 2 controllers it has but that did not solved
[11:29] <IamTrying> penguin42, Its something with Driver vs Kernel compatible
[11:29] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, I'm interested in if the errors are the same on the USB2, because xhci is purely for USB3
[11:29] <bekks> Then its another issue, since usb2 doesnt even use xhci at all.
[11:30] <penguin42> IamTrying: If the message is the same but just changes to ehci then it's probably the same issue
[11:31] <IamTrying> OK - i am testing i will report a simple bug report to do a follow up. Thank you penguin42 bekks
[12:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:21] <slick0_> OMG!
[13:59] <BluesKaj> hey FernandoMiguel
[13:59] <FernandoMiguel> hey hey BluesKaj
[14:07] <slick0_> nice nick name
[14:09] <FernandoMiguel> slick0_: which one?
[14:46] <brainwash_> already the 3rd time that X is messed up after unlocking the screen, did anyone else notice anything strange with i3lock in saucy?
[14:48] <brainwash_> dpms is disabled, so is screen blanking
[14:48] <BluesKaj> brainwash_, Unity?
[14:48] <brainwash_> no, custom setup
[14:49] <brainwash_> just curious if anyone else using i3lock can confirm this behavior
[14:51] <ikonia> brainwash_: out of interest, how are you disabling dpms
[14:52] <brainwash_> xset -dpms
[14:52] <brainwash_> so it's basically only i3lock locking the screen, nothing else
[14:53] <brainwash_> yes, I have to admit, that I'll have to some more testing
[14:53] <ikonia> brainwash_: if you have time and don't mind a test, try setting it in xorg.conf, it used to have an impact in how xscreensaver used to take control / or not, I'm wondering if it still has an impact or the same hook
[14:53] <ikonia> brainwash_: I don't think it will make a difference though
[14:54] <brainwash_> creating a xorg.conf will disable kms :/
[14:55] <brainwash_> and it shouldn't make a difference
[14:56] <brainwash_> just wondering about how a simple screen locker like i3lock can mess up X
[14:56] <ikonia> I don't disagree, I was just curious, if you had time to test
[14:56] <brainwash_> visually mess up I mean
[14:57] <brainwash_> black partial flickering screen
[14:58] <brainwash_> going to check the remaining log files
[15:20] <bhavesh> How do I install MATE on Ubuntu 13.10?  Should I use raring repos provided on MATE's download page?
[15:20] <bhavesh> http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
[15:20] <ikonia> you really shouldn't be using mate at all
[15:21] <ikonia> and as it's not provided by ubuntu, you'd need to use a 3rd party repo that was built for saucy
[15:21] <ikonia> which I doubt exists at this time
[15:32] <penguin42> ikonia: Why shouldn't they use it, it works very well
[15:33] <ikonia> penguin42: 1.) it's not provided by ubuntu and you're on a development release 2.) it's built on a dead codebase that applications are moving away from so breakage/security positions are getting weaker
[15:33] <penguin42> (admittedly not tried it on Saucy, but the Mate guys are pretty good)
[15:33] <penguin42> ikonia: That's no different from any PPA that they might use
[15:33] <ikonia> penguin42: no it's not
[15:34] <ikonia> penguin42: saucy is unstable - so PPA's are not being built against a moving target
[15:34] <penguin42> shrug
[15:57] <Daekdroom> Mate has been slowly making its transition away from GNOME 2 components.
[15:58] <Daekdroom> Should eventually even use GTK3
[16:02] <ali1234> xfce too
[16:17] <ali1234> is there a way to put multiple isos on a USB hard drive with a boot menu?
[16:18] <ali1234> preferably in such a way that i can just copy new isos on to it and they show up automatically
[16:18] <penguin42> ali1234: I think I've heard of things that do it, but it depends a bit on how the isos are structurd
[16:18] <ali1234> ubuntu isos
[16:18] <FernandoMiguel> any idea on how to edit/add stuff to nautilus bookmarks?
[16:19] <FernandoMiguel> that has stop a few versions ago :(
[16:19] <bazhang> look into using grub2 for that
[16:19] <ali1234> FernandoMiguel: ~/.gtkbookmarks
[16:19] <FernandoMiguel> thanks ali1234
[16:19] <ali1234> gtk-bookmarks actually
[16:19] <FernandoMiguel> right
[16:20] <ali1234> lines like: file:///home/al/Pictures
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> I am all for CLI, but what ever happened to GUI for it?
[16:21] <ali1234> heh, i'm in u+1, i didn't notice
[16:21] <ali1234> FernandoMiguel: i think the keyboard shortcut in nautilus to add bookmark still works, even though they removed the menu
[16:21] <ali1234> ctrl-b or something
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[16:21] <ali1234> but it's gnome, you know they're on a mission to remove all features
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: im using +1 too :p
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[16:22] <ali1234> so the reason i want multiple isos on one disk with a menu is so i can quickly switch between different builds of ubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-gnome, to test bugs
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: dude grub boot iso
[16:23] <ali1234> but with grub i have to make a menu entry
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: shortcut doesn't work
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> well, it does
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> but I can only have *3* item
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: no no no... use grms
[16:24] <ali1234> oh the number of items is patched in gtk
[16:24] <ali1234> you have to rebuild it
[16:24] <ali1234> ubuntu used to patch it from 3 to 10 in gnome-panel
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> *grml
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> http://askubuntu.com/questions/141940/how-to-boot-live-iso-images
[16:25] <FernandoMiguel> just leave the ISOs there, and be done
[16:25] <FernandoMiguel> automaticly  added to grub on boot
[16:25] <ali1234> which answer?
[16:26] <FernandoMiguel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#grml-rescueboot
[16:26] <FernandoMiguel> here is better
[16:26] <FernandoMiguel> I have in there usually a recent nightly and last (old) stable release
[16:26] <penguin42> ali1234: I tend to use VMs for trying different varieties, but not that good for where you need the GL stuff to work well
[16:27] <ali1234> making loads of VMs is time consuming
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: with this, you are a reboot away
[16:27] <ali1234> FernandoMiguel: that does look good
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> yep
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> been using it since last cycle
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> before that, I used to add the iso my self to grub entry, till it broke early last cycle... then found this
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> zero maintenance . just drop an ISO and let grup-update do it's thing
[16:29] <FernandoMiguel> still. no solution for my bookmark issue :(
[18:15] <TheDrums> So, if a preference is set in a driver, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is still used to override it in Mir/XMir, right?
[18:17] <penguin42> TheDrums: You can also put stuff into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[18:18] <TheDrums> Mhmm, idea is that Mir doesn't change where it look or something, though.  (I mean, it's still xorg under the hood.)
[18:23] <ikonia> TheDrums: I'd be dissapointed if it did change things
[18:45] <TheDrums> ikonia: Indeed, but wouldn't greatly surprise me.
[18:51] <Daekdroom> TheDrums, it's not "xorg under the hood"
[18:51] <Daekdroom> The point of the whole thing is to eventually ditch xorg
[18:52] <TheDrums> Sure, but right now XMir is still just a compatibility layer that runs xorg.
[20:24] <Gamer1990> hello
[20:25] <Gamer1990> i want to know how to upgrade to lubuntu 13.10 or 14.04
[20:25] <Gamer1990> through the terminal
[20:25] <penguin42> Gamer1990: do-release-update -d   I think
[20:25] <bekks> To 14.04, you cant, until now.
[20:26] <Gamer1990> not working
[20:26] <Gamer1990> i'm running as root
[20:26] <bekks> "not working" is a very precise description :)
[20:27] <Gamer1990> i tried "do-release-update -d" and it returned "do-release-update: command not found"
[20:28] <bekks> Then you do not have it installed.
[20:28] <penguin42> ah sorry
[20:28] <penguin42> Gamer1990: do-release-upgrade -d
[20:28] <penguin42> note upgrade not update
[20:34] <ikonia> if you're struggling at this leve, maybe not moving to a development version would be wise
[20:42] <Gamer1990> is kernel 4 released yet?
[20:44] <ikonia> what ????
[20:44] <Gamer1990> i have kernel 3.8
[20:45] <ikonia> yeah ?
[20:45] <Gamer1990> is kernel 4.0 available ?
[20:45] <ikonia> why do you even care
[20:45] <Gamer1990> i want the lastest
[20:45] <ikonia> what has this got to do with ubuntu ?
[20:45] <ikonia> Gamer1990: you hve no idea what you are saying
[20:45] <ikonia> this is silly
[20:45] <Gamer1990> i'm upgrading to 13.10
[20:45] <ikonia> yes, I advise you very strongly not to
[20:45] <Gamer1990> why?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Gamer1990, the latest kernel on 13.10 is 3.11.0-7-generic
[20:46] <ikonia> because you seem to have no idea what you are doing, which means using an unstable development release will end up causing you a lot of problems
[20:46] <Gamer1990> is there a pae version?
[20:46] <ikonia> why would you not use 64bit ?
[20:46] <Gamer1990> i am
[20:46] <ikonia> then why do you want PAE ?
[20:47] <ikonia> if you are using 64bit
[20:47] <Gamer1990> isn't pae for 32/64 bit?
[20:47] <ikonia> Gamer1990: ok - this is unwise for you to upgrade
[20:47] <penguin42> PAE is for more ram on 32bit system
[20:47] <Gamer1990> okay
[20:47] <ikonia> you are looking for non-existant software to chase version numbers,
[20:47] <Gamer1990> my mistake
[20:48] <Gamer1990> i'm trying to learn how to use unstable dev builds so i can learn from any mistakes i may run into.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> ikonia, we can help if he has problems
[20:48] <Gamer1990> that's nice :)
[20:48] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I would suggest you can't looking at the issues already arising
[20:48] <ikonia> Gamer1990: learning would be much wiser on a stable platform
[20:49] <Gamer1990> i am already installing it just fine so far
[20:49] <ikonia> Gamer1990: you can expand your knowledge with confidence that the software will work and it's not your problem, on this it could be your problem, it could be software problems
[20:49] <ikonia> Gamer1990: you've managed to mess up the install commands before you even started, it's not really a challange to type 1 command, so I'd hardly say "it's fine"
[20:50] <Gamer1990> i want to know what the latest version of my nvidia driver/kernel is
[20:50] <Gamer1990> i am running 313
[20:50] <ikonia> you don't need to know that at this time
[20:50] <BluesKaj> one learns by solving problems , a stable release doesn't have many
[20:50] <ikonia> BluesKaj: a certain level of experience is required sadly
[20:50] <ikonia> and you can learn just fine on a stable system
[20:51] <Gamer1990> ikonia no species 8472
[20:51] <ikonia> sorry, not interested in random offtopic statements
[20:52]  * BluesKaj believes in "letting ppl get their feet wet"
[20:52] <Gamer1990> my bad
[20:52] <Gamer1990> thats awesome BluesKaj
[20:52] <BluesKaj> not bad , it's just a mistake
[20:54] <Gamer1990> is 14.04 out yet?
[20:54] <ikonia> good god
[20:54] <BluesKaj> no
[20:54] <Gamer1990> just wondering.
[20:54] <Gamer1990> feel free to ignore me ikonia
[20:54] <BluesKaj> 14.04 stands for the yr and month of the release
[20:54] <Gamer1990> oh
[20:54] <ikonia> Gamer1990: maybe worth checking the /topic of the channel
[20:55] <Gamer1990> april 2014
[20:55] <ikonia> (the links can be quite useful)
[20:55] <Gamer1990> okay
[20:55] <Gamer1990> october 2013 = 13.10 stable?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> Gamer1990, quite so far .also depends which desktop you use
[20:57] <Gamer1990> lubuntu 64
[20:57] <Gamer1990> is 13.10 an alpha?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> it's beta1 atm
[20:58] <ikonia> Gamer1990: READ the links
[20:58] <ikonia> get a basic understanding of the platform you are installing
[20:58] <Gamer1990> what is the current alpha?
[20:58] <penguin42> Gamer1990: That's not how it works
[20:58] <ikonia> it's in the links in the topic
[20:59] <penguin42> Gamer1990: There's a set of released versions and the 'next' version; the next version works it's way through alpha/beta/release and then they start on the next one
[21:00] <Gamer1990> as i was saying i am running lubuntu amd64 desktop
[21:02] <Gamer1990> thank god chromium is replaced by firefox
[21:02] <Gamer1990> chromium blows goats
[21:22] <Gamer1990> how do i install kernel "3.11.0-7-generic"
[21:24] <Gamer1990> i'm having some issues
[21:24] <Gamer1990> i can't open synaptic
[21:24] <ikonia> Gamer1990: it should install the current kernel as part of the upgrade
[21:25] <ikonia> what kernel has it installed ?
[21:25] <Gamer1990> i screwed it up
[21:25] <ikonia> how
[21:26] <ikonia> it's one command
[21:26] <Gamer1990> i accidentally closed the update in the middle of rc5
[21:26] <ikonia> thats a silly mistake
[21:26] <Gamer1990> yeah'
[21:26] <ikonia> Gamer1990: so what i'd suggest to do, is now just do a clean 13.10 install
[21:27] <Gamer1990> okay hold on
[21:27] <ikonia> that way it removes the problem of the upgrade
[21:27] <Gamer1990> i'll have to choose what linux i want
[21:27] <ikonia> again, I strongly advise you pick a stable build
[21:28] <Gamer1990> okay
[21:28] <ikonia> it is of course up to you though
[21:28] <Gamer1990> what is the purpose of lubuntu anyway?
[21:28] <Gamer1990> could i use kubuntu?
[21:28] <ikonia> kubuntu 13.04 ?
[21:29] <Gamer1990> yeah?
[21:29] <ikonia> yes, kubuntu.com has the install media and #kubuntu is the support channel for kubuntu 13.04
[21:30] <Gamer1990> is kde any better than what i'm running?
[21:30] <ikonia> that's personal opinion, you use the desktop that you like
[21:31] <Gamer1990> if i am running Lubuntu , i am running LXDE
[21:31] <ikonia> some will like it more, others less
[21:31] <ikonia> that's right yes
[21:31] <Gamer1990> is xubuntu lighter on resources?
[21:31] <Gamer1990> than lubuntu?
[21:32] <ikonia> lubuntu is a little lighter on paper
[21:32] <Gamer1990> paper?
[21:32] <ikonia> the official specifications
[21:32] <Gamer1990> i want real-world performance
[21:32] <ikonia> Gamer1990: what is your cpu/ram ?
[21:33] <Gamer1990> intel core i3 4gb ddr3
[21:33] <Gamer1990> nvidia 9500gt
[21:33] <ikonia> Gamer1990: that will run any ubuntu version with ease
[21:34] <Gamer1990> i like the simple desktop style
[21:34] <Gamer1990> i don't like unity
[21:34] <ikonia> ok, then use what you like
[22:56] <IamTrying> penguin42, the problem is solved. 1) when i was capturing video after some time 2) i was doing ps aux | awk '/mypython/ ... | xargs kill -9; 3) instantly when i re-capture the video then it fails 4) after using kill -SIGHUP mypython resolved it 5) that means the drivers are stable + my 30 USB cameras are stable , only the issue was the way i was capturing and turning off
[22:57] <IamTrying> WORKS/STABLE - Tested with Ubuntu 12.xx and Ubuntu 13.xx from kernel 3.2 to 3.11
[22:57] <penguin42> IamTrying: That oops you saw was a real oops though, that shouldn't happen
[22:57] <penguin42> IamTrying: So you're running all 30 cameras at once?
[22:58] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES - and all works now, it was a issue `kill -SIGHIP` vs `kill -9`
[22:59] <penguin42> heck 30 cameras at once is impressive - wth are you doing with them?
[22:59] <IamTrying> penguin42, i have done each camera with 5000 loop of capture/de-capture + with other PC's for 24 hour long term capture all was success. Only that happens when i used kill -9
[23:00] <IamTrying> penguin42, I am making a traffic room, wall.
[23:00] <penguin42> a what?
[23:01] <IamTrying> penguin42, parking, street traffic, monitoring traffic for security
[23:01] <IamTrying> Thank you for your support penguin42 , very appreciating.
[23:01] <IamTrying> have a nice weekend
[23:01] <penguin42> IamTrying: Hmm ok, I'm not sure I'd have used usb for that!
[23:02] <IamTrying> penguin42, yes i needed to for low cost solution. Where USB cameras are OK for this Federal Police Antwerpen (Belgium).
[23:03] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, well I guess I would have used network ones, a lot easier and not that expensive these days
[23:04] <IamTrying> penguin42, I know but i used cat /dev/video | nc  which doing the same as network ones.
[23:04] <genii> Cable length restrictions on USB signals make me think this is not a very effective solution, unless all the cameras are less than about 8 feet from every computer
[23:05] <IamTrying> genii, i have Federal Police Antwerpen - backbone network access. So my cat /dev/videoX | nc works with low latency + stable jitter
[23:05] <penguin42> well you can get usb extenders, but it's all a bit touchy and machines with a lot of USB devices tend to get weird, although I have seen 40+ port USB hubs
[23:06] <IamTrying> OK - no worries now, i have found the root cause of my problem and it works now great. penguin42
[23:06] <IamTrying> penguin42, So FYI, Logitech C920 is working - like many other users informed it does not work (which is not true)
[23:09] <penguin42> IamTrying: That bug you pointed to was quite old, and with USB there are a lot of weird things, like dependencies on controllers/hubs etc
[23:17] <IamTrying> YES - penguin42 you are right. I have tested and found that 1) USB-3 is buggy still when a mother board has USB 3 interface its a hell 2) i have few spare parts which only have USB 2 interface and no USB 3 interface there i had ZERO issues
[23:18] <IamTrying> if mother board has = USB 3  (special issues will arrive) , if mother board has no = USB 3 (then its normal will not expect problems)
[23:19] <penguin42> IamTrying: On some systems I think you can also remove the usb-3 module and it might fall back, worth a go
[23:20] <IamTrying> YES -  penguin42 i compiled the Ubuntu kernel without USB -3 as module and blacklisted the usb3 and it was working then smoothly but when i used default Ubuntu way of release then it cause troubles with USB 3
[23:20] <IamTrying> penguin42, Ubuntu should make the USB3 and USB2 moduler so that some one can blacklist the usb3
[23:22] <penguin42> IamTrying: It already is
[23:23] <IamTrying> penguin42, in the default Ubuntu installation you can split the USB controllers yet unless you compile the kernel, if you use black list it does not listen.
[23:23] <IamTrying> s/you can/you cant
[23:24] <penguin42> I think you're using the blacklist wrong, or getting hit by it loading it during boot, I'm fairly sure you can fix that without recompilation
[23:24] <IamTrying> penguin42, this does not happen in Ubuntu 12.x / 13.x http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html
[23:25] <IamTrying> penguin42, http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html  - black list did not worked for me,  then i compiled the kernel to by force not use USB 3 even usb controllers are there `lspci`
[23:26] <penguin42> hmm, yes EHCI is built in these days
[23:27] <penguin42> IamTrying: I guess since pretty much everything uses it there was no point modularising
[23:28] <penguin42> IamTrying: I suspect but don't know that you might be able to disable it with a boot parameter or poking in /sys/bus/usb/drivers
[23:31] <IamTrying> penguin42,  i have tried several way to avoid using new kernel as compiled to just have moduler for xhci and ehci - but i failed, unless i make my hands dirty by compiling a kernel. I will try /sys/bus/usb/drivers see if i can keep the default Ubuntu as it is and just ignore xhci completely cause that is the main culprit for all this issue.
[23:37] <dazza5000> I'm trying out mir on 13.10 beta, but it is rendering the screen with horizontal black lines dispersed throughout the correct desktop. Does anyone have any ideas on things I could do to fix/troubleshoot this?
[23:38] <penguin42> no, but it's probably relevant to state the graphics card
[23:38] <dazza5000> lspci | grep -i vga
[23:38] <dazza5000> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Barts XT [Radeon HD 6870]


[21:41] <Night___> I was told to report this here
[21:41] <Night___> Hmm strange hsts preload is not respected in bundled ff 17.04 beta 2. Even with site added  to hsts preload list and forward from 80 to 443. All I get is a bin file download. But works after I manually type https one time


[01:40] <Takyoji> Ooo http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/2350236/Can-Ubuntu-Save-Online-Banking
[01:58] <Takyoji> It would be quite nice if there was a default RSS client other than Firefox in Ubuntu
[01:58] <Takyoji> Such as if Evolution had the RSS plugin by default
[01:58] <Takyoji> and had a way to add a feed to Evolution from browsing in Firefox
[02:09] <netbook> I have been meaning to use google reader for that sort of thing
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> I've been using liferea myself.
[04:08] <Takyoji> What would be a decent minimalistic email client?
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> Define minimalistic.
[04:11] <Takyoji> Just having the basic email features. I guess pretty much anything not Evolution
[04:11] <Takyoji> Just thinking on choosing a simpler email client for my mother; for speed, and for least space consumption
[04:12] <Takyoji> (visual space consumption by the way; not storage)
[04:14] <Takyoji> Mainly more about less buttons, so there's more viewing area. She needs larger text overall, thus leaving less visible space for the message itself.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> okay, let me be more specific:
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> GUI or cli?
[04:15] <Takyoji> GUI
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> Claws.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> It pretty much rocks.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> Thunderbird is pretty nice too - personal preference probably.
[04:16] <Takyoji> It's somewhat disturbing that she has a POP3 email account, bleh.
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> Create GMail account.  Set it up to import from her POP3 account.  Use GMail through IMAP.  Done.
[04:18] <Takyoji> With IMAP, isn't there a minor specification of the protocol whereas the client can have a persistent connection and get notified on the instant the mailserver recieves a message (for the account)?
[04:18] <Takyoji> True, I guess that would be a sane approach.
[04:18] <Takyoji> I was thinking of Gmail, but forgot about the idea of having Gmail grab from the POP3 account as well
[04:19] <Takyoji> and Liferea is quite useful
[04:19] <Takyoji> Just installed it
[04:19] <_diablo> can't handle non-shared reader
[04:19] <_diablo> need google
[04:20] <Takyoji> I pretty much live at my desktop
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> I like desktop apps, but also need portability.  I've been looking at sharing config directories over the network.
[04:30] <Takyoji> I guess Thunderbird may actually be ideal
[04:30] <Takyoji> In terms of the additional RSS/Atom functionality
[04:34] <Takyoji> I wonder when Empathy or Pidgin will ever seem to be stable and functional; especially for IRC for example
[04:34] <Takyoji> And yes, I do use XChat for IRC
[04:34] <Takyoji> (because of not being able to do such horrendously basic IRC commands; that I could probably even implement)
[04:35] <Takyoji> if only I were quite fluent with C/C++ and the accommodating development styles.
[04:41] <Takyoji> It seems that every time my package manager checks all the repositories; it stalls for like a minute on the last one.
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> That's because the last one is universe, which is HUGE.
[04:50] <h00k> The Universe is Huge, you're right!
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> and expanding!
[04:59] <h00k> it's true! and slashdot said that 90% of it was right infront of us the whole time, we just missed it!
[05:00] <h00k> as seen here: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/200209/90-of-the-Universe-Found-Hiding-In-Plain-View
[05:11] <Takyoji> Has it been determined yet of the actual installfest day at TIES?
[05:12] <Takyoji> Because it still says the 24th
[05:12] <Takyoji> Ahh, so it's intended to be the 1st of May
[05:13] <Takyoji> It hasn't been changed on this page yet: http://penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings
[05:15]  * Takyoji debates over the idea of converting thousands of mp3 files to Ogg Vorbis
[05:17] <Takyoji> The only holdback is file format confusion for the general users.
[05:47] <Takyoji> Is GNOME 3 intended for implementation in 10.10?
[05:49] <_diablo> Takyoji: I assume so.
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> yes
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> People building web pages in Microsoft Office makes me cry.
[15:41] <_diablo> Takyoji: also, for ogg vorbis, the conversion process makes you lose a bit of quality
[15:41] <_diablo> Takyoji: but I'm still doing it :)
[15:41] <tonyyarusso> as I understand it though, it's a VERY tiny bit.
[15:42] <_diablo> exactly
[15:42] <_diablo> fwiw, I'm doing it right now
[15:42] <_diablo> It's a loooooong project
[15:42] <_diablo> especially if you have mixed file formats e.g. not all mp3 but with a few aac and a few wma mixed in
[15:43] <tonyyarusso> long running sure, but you don't have to actually be there.  Type command, walk away.
[15:55] <_diablo> tonyyarusso: mp32ogg doesn't deal well with aac and wma files though :-/
[15:55] <_diablo> and soundconverter gets pissed and crashes if you do more than 10 or 15 at once
[15:56] <_diablo> any other suggestions? :)
[16:11] <tonyyarusso> find -exec soundconverter?
[16:11]  * tonyyarusso is trying to figure out how to control boinc from the command line
[16:21] <_diablo> good tip. :) I'll check up on 'dat
[16:21] <_diablo> are you heading to the browser thing tomorrow?
[16:26] <tonyyarusso> No, I have a thing.
[16:31] <_diablo> tonyyarusso: I hate things.
[18:13] <ripps> Anybody got any particular packages they want me to look at?
[18:48] <_diablo> ripps: as in... approval or what?
[18:49] <ripps> _diablo: no, I'm just helping Jammers with any packaging help today, and I was hoping someone could point me toward some problem packages they need help with. I'm not an offical MOTU... yet.
[18:49] <Obsidian1723> MOTU?
[18:50] <_diablo> ahhhh
[18:50] <_diablo> master of the universe
[18:50] <ripps> Obsidian1723: Masters Of The Universe, they maintain the Universe/Multiverse repositorys
[18:51] <Leaf> and the secrets of castle greyskull  ;-p
[18:52] <_diablo> :)
[18:53] <ripps> I have the Power!
[18:55] <Obsidian1723> Well, The Universe only exists in this realm :)
[19:13] <kermit> Obsidian1723: are you obsidian73 on LORD?
[19:14] <Obsidian1723> LORD?
[19:15] <kermit> Obsidian1723: a game
[19:15] <Obsidian1723> Never heard of it. I don't game, so nope, not I.
[19:17] <kermit> i havent gamed in years, someone in here was talking about BBSes though so i got nostalgic.
[19:19] <Obsidian1723> aye. I ran one of those years ago. Many havent a clue about BBSes anymore or the community that they were both on line and off.
[19:19] <Obsidian1723> I used to run a TeleFindS on a Mac.
[19:19] <Obsidian1723> TeleFinder
[19:19] <kermit> i still havent recovered from the loss of BBSes
[19:19] <h00k> ripps: Do you need any advice on MOTU stuffs?
[19:20] <h00k> ripps: Amaranth is an MOTU
[19:20] <kermit> i used to meet intelligent people locally via BBSes, now all i meet are alcoholics and drug addicts via music events.
[19:20] <Obsidian1723> Ah, yeah, I miss B BSes too. ah the screech of a 9600baud or a 14.4k
[19:20] <Obsidian1723> yeah
[19:20] <Obsidian1723> back when I started, script kiddies and a lot of the lame (dare I say ALL of it?) did not exist.
[19:21] <Obsidian1723> That was the 70s though.
[19:21] <ripps> h00k: I've spoke with MOTU's before, the biggest barrier for me becoming a MOTU is that I haven't made enough direct contributions to Linux, most of my stuff is through PPA's and niche projects.
[19:21] <ripps> s/Linux/Ubuntu/
[19:21] <kermit> Obsidian1723: wow, did you use punch cards??
[19:21] <Obsidian1723> Whats the big deal about the MOTU label? Does it pay money or something?
[19:22] <Obsidian1723> Kermit, I started out in 1978.. yeah, punch card stuff. Eventually used rotary phones, acoustic couplersw, 110 baud modems, and Apple 2c/es.
[19:23] <h00k> Obsidian1723: More information can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[19:23] <h00k> MOTU contributors are the people who are interested in contributing to Ubuntu and are learning how to package and work in the Ubuntu development community.
[19:24] <Obsidian1723> ah. It just seems like some big deal or something???
[19:24] <Obsidian1723> I mean if people want to code and package, cool...but ya don't need some fancy label.title for that.
[19:25] <Obsidian1723> I write books, cool. I dont call myself anything like some Grand Poobah of The Written Word of the Gods
[19:25] <h00k> Obsidian1723: They keep Universe and Multiverse in shape
[19:26] <Obsidian1723> hook, cool.  I have all of the afore mentioned, big deal though.
[19:26] <Obsidian1723> It just seems so puff-out-my-chest-and-look-at-ME for some sdelf-validation or something, that's all.
[19:26] <Obsidian1723> just my take I guess.
[19:26] <ripps> Obsidian1723: It's not a big deal, but the title of MOTU comes with some perks, mainly access to uploading to Ubuntu repos, Ubuntu Membership. Not to mention a good deal of cred in the community. Since Ubuntu is a meritocracy, having cred is a good way to get your ideas and fixes into Ubuntu.
[19:27] <Obsidian1723> If people code, cool. Code. Regardless of some fancypants title.
[19:27] <Obsidian1723> ripps, I can see that, but it seems more ego-driven than money-driven, which is the exact oppisite of closed-source stuff like Windows.
[19:28] <Obsidian1723> Not trying to piss on anyone's parade.
[19:28] <h00k> Obsidian1723: I'm not sure you understand that it's purpose is to add software to the Universe repository and not parade around with a name badge.
[19:28] <h00k> It's to speed up maintaining software for Ubuntu as a whole
[19:29] <Obsidian1723> hook, I get it, but why the need for the fancy title? Why not just call them "Code Managers" vs "Master of the Universe" ..surley you can see how pomopus it sounds?
[19:29] <h00k> Obsidian1723: anyone can make a package, sure. But not everyone can help maintain the Universe repository
[19:30] <Obsidian1723> So it's an ego thing...if that's someone's ticket, cool for them, but I guess I'm not impressed by iut or think that code that makes it in is any better than code that does not, both may be equal, better, worse...
[19:30] <Obsidian1723> In the end, it's 1s and 0s.
[19:31] <Obsidian1723> All the same.
[19:31] <Obsidian1723> whateva tho.
[19:31] <ripps> Obsidian1723: so you don't want any of your code in Ubuntu, that's fine I suppose, Ubuntu supplies PPA's, but most people arent' gonna be aware of it.
[19:31] <h00k> It's also to make sure code compiles and acts properly from Debian -> Ubuntu
[19:32] <Obsidian1723> ripps, I dont code :D
[19:32] <Obsidian1723> hook, true, but people dont need fancy titles for that, do they?
[19:32] <Obsidian1723> cause if so, then I need a fancy title for IRc. I must be called Grand Poobah and  Master of IRC./
[19:33] <Obsidian1723> blah
[19:33] <ripps> heh, yeah, most of a MOTU's work isn't actually making/uploading packages, but fixing problems with packages that are caused by the differences between Debian and Ubuntu. And trust me, there are alot of them at times
[19:33] <h00k> To work with Official Ubuntu Universe Repositories, yes.  Not just any joe-blow can throw whatever code into the repository.
[19:33] <Obsidian1723> hook, true, and that is probably a good thing to be sure.
[19:33] <Obsidian1723> Im just not ab out the pomopus title is all.
[19:33] <h00k> then don't become one.
[19:34] <h00k> ripps: I fully support your endeavors!
[19:34] <h00k> title or not
[19:34] <kermit> i can has the power?
[19:35] <Obsidian1723> hook, yeah not my bag to code...
[19:35] <Obsidian1723> I have all sorts of fancy shmaNCY STUFF i COULD USE TO MY NAME, BUT DON'T. jUST NOT INTO THAT STUFF, ACOLAIDS, TITLES, DEGREES, CERTS, ETC ETC LABELS.
[19:35] <Obsidian1723> caps, sorry, not meant
[21:22] <Takyoji> I wonder when GEGL will ever be done
[21:34] <Takyoji> I wonder how long it will be until Dell offers netbooks with 10.04 pre-installed.
[21:35] <Leaf> End of September-2010 :-)
[21:50] <Takyoji> Is it me, or does PiTiVi not even have transitions? :P