[14:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it just keeps getting better: https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-user/2020-August/113306.html
[14:36] <Eickmeyer> Wim Taymans is the guy behind pipewire.
[14:36] <OvenWerks> yes
[14:36] <OvenWerks> but not the guy behind the new alsa module.
[14:37] <OvenWerks> They are all out by 8
[14:37] <Eickmeyer> But, a non 2-power not working for an internal sound card??????
[14:37] <OvenWerks> That seems like a bug
[14:37] <OvenWerks> some are higher and some are lower
[14:37] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. That doesn't seem right at all.
[14:38] <OvenWerks> but they are all "attached" to power of 2 sizes
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> I hope falktx is aware of this. I think there's some weird kernel regression causing all of these Jack issues.
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> He seems to think the issue in Fedora is libc related.
[14:41] <OvenWerks> I think there are a number of applications and plugins that expect power of 2 buffer size or crash
[14:43] <OvenWerks> I wonder if there is a way to read the media clock directly and use that to run the dummy back end or generate ones own irq
[14:44] <OvenWerks> better to fix the bug
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> yep.
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> Easier to fix the bug in Jack than libc or the kernel, tbh.
[14:46]  * OvenWerks is glad his family did not get to camping yet. Looks like rain for 3 days.
[14:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  it is the alsa module that needs fixed
[14:48] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Gotcha.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> The same HW did work with the old module


[00:05] <Shawn_> How stable is Oneiric to install atm?
[00:06] <ali1234> well i just installed it, ran an update, it crashed out, and now i can't even login
[00:07] <Shawn_> Is that an isolated incident or is it having lots of problems? :O
[00:07] <ali1234> i don't know, there's no one else here right now
[00:07] <Shawn_> Really? X_X
[00:07] <jbicha> oneiric is still in beta so things are not fully stable
[00:08] <Shawn_> But its coming out in like 2 weeks, is it stable enough to use for now since if I installed 11.04 I would just have to upgrade in a month?
[00:10] <robin0800> Shawn_, its difficult to define stable enough what I might consider ok you might not
[00:11] <Shawn_> Is it stable enough that I can use it for taking notes durring lectures at university without it crashing
[00:11] <ali1234> probably, if you stick to unity-2d
[00:11] <ali1234> and don't run any updates
[00:11] <ali1234> and then do a reinstall when the final versioncomes out
[00:11] <jbicha> it's not recommended to use pre-releases for important work...so do it at your own risk
[00:11] <robin0800> Shawn_, depends if last update broke it
[00:11] <Shawn_> Is there unity 3-D for 11.04?
[00:12] <rww> Shawn_: yes, it's the default UI...
[00:12] <robin0800> Shawn_, yes its called unity
[00:12] <Shawn_> ALright I havnt used 11.04 yet
[00:12] <Shawn_> My last install was 10.04
[00:12] <ali1234> just carry on using that for now
[00:12] <ali1234> 11.04 is the buggiest version of ubuntu that i can remember
[00:12] <Shawn_> I just got a new netbook and its running Windows 7
[00:13] <Shawn_> I want to get that off XD
[00:13] <ali1234> well ok, just use that for 2 weeks
[00:13] <Shawn_> 11.04 wasnt good either? X_X
[00:13] <robin0800> Shawn_, 11.10 is looking much better
[00:14] <Shawn_> Well which is more stable, 11.04 or 11.10 Im interested in trying out Unity
[00:14] <ali1234> 11.04 does not crash
[00:15] <ali1234> well, unless you do certain things
[00:15] <ali1234> don't try to use drag and drop for example
[00:15] <Shawn_> WHy not?
[00:15] <ali1234> because it crashes it
[00:15] <Shawn_> Seriously?
[00:15] <ali1234> yes, seriously
[00:16] <Shawn_> Just dragging files crashes it...?
[00:16] <ali1234> onto the launcher, yes
[00:16] <Shawn_> But moving them around doesnt?
[00:16] <ali1234> yeah moving them around in windows is fine
[00:16] <Shawn_> Oh okay thats what I thought you meant was just moving them around inside a window
[00:17] <ali1234> but if you drag a file onto a launcher icon (eg drag text document to text editor icon to open it) then it puts unity into a locked up state, and you have to switch to a console and kill it
[00:17] <ali1234> this has been fixed in 11.10 btw
[00:18] <ali1234> unfortunately nobody knows which change fixed it, so the fix can't be put into 11.04
[00:18] <Shawn_> Is that an important feature thats broken?
[00:18] <Shawn_> I cant really tell
[00:18] <Shawn_> Ive never heard of dragging a text document onto the text editor icon to open it..
[00:19] <ali1234> not crashing is quite an important feature, yes
[00:19] <Shawn_> I meant the dragging thing
[00:19] <ali1234> well apparently people do this
[00:19] <Shawn_> I have never done it, is it something new in 11.04 or is it something thats been done a while>?
[00:19] <ali1234> it's something that you can do in windows
[00:19] <ali1234> bug was found by an ex windows user
[00:19] <ali1234> ex windows user was not happy
[00:19] <Shawn_> XD
[00:20] <Shawn_> I suppose I can live without a feature that I didnt know existed
[00:20] <Shawn_> So did canonical basically say "F*** you GNOME!"?
[00:21] <ali1234> no
[00:21] <rww> Given that Ubuntu uses GNOME by default, that would be an odd move.
[00:21] <ali1234> they still use gnome for everything except the panels
[00:21] <Shawn_> I was told 11.10 got rid of GNOME and uses Unity and Unity 2-D
[00:21] <rww> Unity is a shell for GNOME.
[00:21] <rww> Much like GNOME Shell is a shell for GNOME.
[00:22] <Shawn_> Okay now IM confused lol
[00:22] <Shawn_> Which part makes up the shell?
[00:22] <ali1234> the launcher, the "start menu", the indicator icons, panels, and clock
[00:23] <jbicha> Shawn_: try Ubuntu 11.10, perhaps in VirtualBox, and install GNOME Shell to see what GNOME's interface looks like
[00:23] <ali1234> no, not virtualbox
[00:23] <rww> Shawn_: GNOME is a set of applications and libraries that together constitute the GNOME Desktop. Ubuntu takes GNOME and switches out various programs: Firefox instead of Epiphany, now Thunderbird instead of Evolution, Compiz instead of Metacity, etc. The shell is the pointy clicky decoration that ali1234 mentions.
[00:23] <ali1234> it doesn't work in virtualbox
[00:23] <ali1234> unity-2d does
[00:23] <ali1234> but not unity
[00:23] <jbicha> ali1234: it works here, maybe you need the latest virtualbox
[00:24] <ali1234> i have the latest version of virtualbox... in natty
[00:24] <rww> Doesn't work here on the latest virtualbox :\
[00:24] <jbicha> ok, maybe try in a separate partition
[00:24] <ali1234> it does that same old "compiz crashes in a loop and nothing ever loads" thing
[00:24] <Shawn_> Ill just use 11.04 for now
[00:25] <ali1234> except since someone decided to remove the "create launcher" item from desktop popup menu, you now have to power cycle the machine to escape
[00:26] <ali1234> when i was testing natty in vbox i used to just create a "metacity -replace" launcher when that happened
[00:28] <jbicha> ali1234: well you still should have a virtual terminal to use
[00:29] <ali1234> yeah but getting to it is hard in virtualbox... ctrl-alt-f1 takes you to the host console
[00:30] <jbicha> ali1234: ah, I never figured that one out either
[00:30] <ali1234> and since virtualbox window menus are broken by global menu, i can't even try to figure it out
[00:41] <bjsnider> rww, compiz instead of mutter. metacity 3 is mutter now
[00:41] <dud> and girl is daughter
[00:41] <rww> nod. I was thinking 11.04 :)
[01:14] <winut> does kubuntu 11.10 beta 2 work in vbox? it crashes installing and crashes live dvd vbox 4.1.2
[01:29] <Stanley00> winut: It will, but I doubt it work smoothly...
[01:29] <Stanley00> winut: why dont you use an LiveUSB for testing?
[01:29] <winut> maybe i don't have enough disk space? got 20gb free, should that be ok?
[01:30] <winut> thx
[01:30] <Stanley00> winut: 20GB is more than enough
[01:30] <winut> in that case its just bugged! can you get a nightly build?
[01:31] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ has the dailies
[01:40] <histo> mplayer with matrix and caca video output are a blast
[01:41] <winut> Stanley00 : it was installing the vm to the wrong disk! lol i'll try again another day, thanks
[01:41] <Stanley00> winut: :))
[01:42] <winut> thanks guys :-)
[02:01] <famine_> has gnome 3.2 been added yet?
[02:09] <bjsnider> yes
[02:12] <famine_> how do I upgrade my system?
[02:12] <famine_> ive done apt-get update
[02:13] <famine_> whats the command to download and install any new packages
[02:13] <famine_> ie to update the system
[02:19] <bjsnider> famine_, update-manager -d
[02:20] <famine_> ty
[02:27] <FoolishOwl> I just noticed this morning that the default umask was changed from 022 to 00w.
[02:28] <FoolishOwl> *002
[02:31] <FoolishOwl> I'd long wondered why user private groups were only halfway implemented. They're finally fully implemented.
[03:12] <organiks> how is 11.10?
[04:23] <jetsaredim> is there any way to force a window to always open or just stay in the same workspace?
[04:23] <jetsaredim> i'm running virtualbox 4.1.2 and every time the screensaver pops on the vm window jumps to whatever workspace i'm looking at
[04:28] <ali1234> compiz can do it i believe
[04:28] <ali1234> virtualbox is tricky because it likes to close and reopen the windows all the time
[04:28] <ali1234> so eg, reboot the VM, and the windows will just to the current workspace
[04:29] <ali1234> compiz can do just about anything with window specific rules though (it's a plugin)
[04:29] <jetsaredim> maybe this is new but it seems like every time the vm state changes
[04:30] <ali1234> yeah
[04:30] <ali1234> going from vga text mode to X11 mode does it too
[04:30] <ali1234> changing the graphics mode
[04:30] <jetsaredim> hm
[04:30] <ali1234> installing guest utils helps
[04:31] <ali1234> also, why even run the screensaver in the VM?
[04:31] <ali1234> screensaver must be changing the resolution
[04:32] <jetsaredim> yea i just turned that off
[04:32] <jetsaredim> and its only with the 11.10 vm not winxp
[06:17] <qH> Hello
[06:17] <qH> Since upgrading to Ubuntu 11.10 I am having problems connecting to my wireless network. The connection is made, and after about 30 seconds the connection is lost
[06:18] <qH> This has never happened with any of the previous versions of Ubuntu. IT COMPLETELY LOCKS UP MY ROUTER. The only solution after attempting a connection is to reset the router.
[06:19] <qH> I need help
[06:19] <qH> my wireless card is intel wifi link 5100
[06:23] <Nattgew> how do I change default applications?
[06:24] <jbicha> Nattgew: System Settings>System Info
[06:26] <Nattgew> Thanks!
[06:33] <jbicha> qH: sorry I don't know enough networking to help but I can't believe that Ubuntu breaks your router
[06:34] <qH> também acho que sim
[07:06] <alhubaishi> hi all
[07:06] <alhubaishi> i just upgraded to 11.10
[07:06] <alhubaishi> well i did it yesterday
[07:07] <alhubaishi> i got a problem , my flash dont work , when i visit youtube or anywhere
[07:08] <alhubaishi> i tried uninstalling and reinstalling from the software center
[07:08] <alhubaishi> and rebooting same issue
[07:10] <alhubaishi> any one have this problem since upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10?
[07:11] <alhubaishi> i always send full report bugs when it asks me
[07:50] <carli2> network with NAT is not working on oneiric
[08:08] <kjeldahl> So about dual screen not being selectable (error message), is it something AMD/ATI specific, or in general? On beta 2 I might add...
[08:11] <drussell> kjeldahl: dual screen.. mirror or individual?
[08:21] <kjeldahl> drussell: Mirror works fine, individual not.
[08:27] <kjeldahl> Also, on the last beta, only Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D shows up as alternatives when logging in. I think it used to have Gnome as well, but I may have forgotten installing a package or so.
[08:29] <kjeldahl> The gnome-shell package seems to be the answer.
[08:33] <oal> I think I'm going to install 11.10 today. Should I go with beta 2 or todays daily?
[08:33] <Guest55976> Hey, so I decided I'd upgrade to 11.10... well after leaving my computer alone to do this, I come back and turn on the monitor (since it had turned off due to inactivity). I'm currently looking at a normal cursor on top of what at first looks like a solid black screen, but if you look closely you can see my desktop! I can even see the dock move when I hold down the windows key. But I can't press anything. What the crap?
[08:34] <oal> Guest55976: reboot?
[08:35] <kjeldahl> oal: I tested beta 2 yesterday, and the installer still crashes... Booting from live CD, then upgrading before starting to install seems to fix the installer part of it. But there's so much stuff simply not working so only do it if you are prepared for pain.
[08:36] <Guest55976> oal,  OK, I just did. Let's hope it was just waiting for me to click a button to restart. :(
[08:36] <carli2> when i use NAT network, the nm-applet connects and disconnects all the time
[08:37] <oal> kjeldahl: Oooh, well... I guess I'll load it onto my usb stick and play with it there then. :)
[08:37] <Guest55976> so far so good...
[10:13] <kjeldahl> Trying to install xorg-edgers to work around current bugs in Oneiric was not a success (lead to system hang on a black screen). Thank you for ppa-purge...
[11:03] <napster> gnome 3 OR unity?
[11:04] <napster> which is bundled in 11.10?
[11:04] <kjeldahl> Unity is bundled. "apt-get install gnome-shell" gives you Gnome 3 as well.
[11:06] <napster> kjeldahl: ok
[11:06] <kjeldahl> Or more correcly ".. gives you Gnome Shell as well". AFAIK, Unity runs on Gnome 3 as well.
[11:06] <napster> ok, wayland is dropped already right?
[11:07] <bazhang> no
[11:07] <kjeldahl> Dropped, as in not in current release, yes. But no for the future AFAIK.
[11:07] <napster> ok
[11:07] <bazhang> it is not ready, so not for several years
[11:08] <napster> ok
[11:09] <kjeldahl> And btw, in case people read logs, I _think_ my problem with extending the desktop on a dual screen setup is related to the ATI drivers/fglrx... Messing with xorg.conf seemingly solves it, but it has been a long time since that was normally necessary...
[11:10] <hasenj> I don't read logs, I just joined
[11:10] <hasenj> but I suggest to get rid of fglrx
[11:10] <hasenj> though I don't know how the open source driver works with multiple monitors
[11:11] <kjeldahl> hasenj: I tried. Seems Unity didn't like it too much... But I did not try to pinpoint it exactly.
[11:11] <hasenj> kjeldahl, actually unity works wonerfully for me with the open source ati drivers
[11:11] <hasenj> has been since before 11.04
[11:11] <hasenj> but you have to completely uninstall fglrx
[11:12] <hasenj> apt-get remove doesn't seem to clean it properly
[11:12] <artzra> hi !!
[11:12] <hasenj> there's a wiki guide somewhere about how to properly do it
[11:12] <artzra> just install skype on oneric !!
[11:12] <kjeldahl> ok thanks, I'll look into it later. Just happy I got my desktop running again. For now anyway.
[11:12] <hasenj> kjeldahl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:__Need_to_fully_remove_-fglrx_and_reinstall_-ati_from_scratch
[11:12] <hasenj> oh ok
[11:13] <kjeldahl> If it's not recommended, maybe Ubuntu should stop pushing it in peoples face? ;-)
[11:13] <hasenj> I was under the impression you were still having problems
[11:14] <kjeldahl> hasenj: I was. Solved it in xorg.conf directly. Xinerama setup - using the ati supplied tools - also worked, but more poorly of course (shearing, and probably a lot slower).
[11:14] <hasenj> yea fglrx was slower for me than the open source driver
[11:14] <hasenj> and videos always flickered
[11:14] <artzra> Skype / oneric  , /synaptic (v4l2ucp) + terminal  " LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype"
[11:16] <crshbndct> hey everyone
[11:17] <kjeldahl> hasenj: Based on your information, I'm giving getting rid of fglrx another go. Fingers crossed!
[11:17] <hasenj> kjeldahl, good luck,
[11:17] <hasenj> kjeldahl, one thing though, I had some custom boot command line in my grub file and it caused me trouble after updating to 11.10
[11:18] <hasenj> kjeldahl, just in case your grub config also has some custom boot command line
[11:19] <crshbndct> i am having a problem with 11.10 i have been using it for a few hours now, and it was working fine, but after a reboot, it is saying i cant mount some of my other hard drives "unable to mount volume, not authorised"
[11:19] <hasenj> kjeldahl, I mean in `/etc/default/grub`, the line that says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[11:19] <kjeldahl> hansej: Thanks, shouldn't be any problem at my end - I do not have anything special in grub.
[11:20] <crshbndct> and in the notification area top right, my name is missing, and it is saying no network devices available, and yet i am able to use the net, but the icon is not showimg as connected
[11:21] <crshbndct> i googled for it, and it seems like the same bug has been filed, so i thought there wasnt much point filing another one, its just that my system is unusable at the moment
[11:21] <kjeldahl> hasenj: Seems to work great; only fglrx errors in Xorg.0.log is not finding fglrx. Dual screen setup is still as it was. Thanks.
[11:22] <hasenj> kjeldahl, awesome!
[11:22] <hasenj> enjoy :P
[11:22] <crshbndct> i might try  logoff/logon or rebooting and see if that fixes it eh
[11:23] <kjeldahl> Thanks, I will. Feels like Canonical is doing themselves a disfavour when still recommending the fglrx stuff. Maybe there is some high end graphics where it actually counts as a positive, but for regular usage it seems to be working worse than the open source stuff.
[11:23] <kjeldahl> Then again; it's probably about time for me to invest in a new motherboard as well, possibly with some embedded intel gfx device or similar. Time will tell.
[11:25] <psalden> hey folks, anyone in here with experience installing oneiric in vmware? I could do it just fine in virtualbox, but in vmware I can't seem to get 3d acceleration. Not even with vmware tools installed.
[11:30] <crshbndct> re: not able to mount.. rebooting fixed it, but switched default audio out to the hdmi port :\ but got it sorted now
[11:30] <crshbndct> although i had to reboot 3 times to get a desktop.
[11:31] <crshbndct> kjeldahl: did i see earlier that you were having problems with fglrx?
[11:31] <kjeldahl> crshbndct: Correct.
[11:32] <crshbndct> its working perfectly for me.. what problem were you having?
[11:32] <kjeldahl> Dual screen.
[11:32] <kjeldahl> Extending desktop (not mirror).
[11:32] <kjeldahl> Without Xinerama.
[11:32] <crshbndct> yeah i have two screens too, they are different sizes and resolutions and refresh rates.. one crt, one lcd
[11:33] <kjeldahl> You got it working without any fuzz?
[11:33] <crshbndct> no hassles at all.. wel sort of.
[11:34] <crshbndct> first time round left desktop was on the right and vice versa, so i switched that, had to reboot, reboot just froze at a screen full of text
[11:34] <kjeldahl> At my end, the gui for configuring multiple screens simply told me resolution wasn't high enough or something like that. Stuffing everything directly xorg.conf seemed to make it work however, so it could be a gui issue, or how the driver reports capabilities to the gui.
[11:34] <crshbndct> so i ctrl alt f2, login sudo reboot, then i had to change resolution
[11:35] <crshbndct> same deal had to tty2 login and reboot every time
[11:35] <kjeldahl> I got it working as well eventually, after multiple reboots etc. But I prefer skipping the whole fglrx since it seems less supported than the open source driver.
[11:35] <crshbndct> have you tried running the catalyst control centre with "sudo amdcccle" from terminal?
[11:35] <crshbndct> ehhh.. i never use open source.. performance is horrible with it
[11:35] <kjeldahl> Yes. That allowed me to set up dual screen, but ONLY with using Xinerama, which is a poor solution AFAIK.
[11:35] <crshbndct> hang on a sec
[11:37] <kjeldahl> In my experience, the open source stuff works a lot better, but yes, sometimes miss basic things like acceleration etc. But it's getting better and better, and most of the open source stuff have a lot of acceleration implemented already. Maybe not enough for high end cad applications, but I prefer to have the rest of the things work better (like they mostly do with the open source drivers).
[11:37] <crshbndct> http://imgur.com/LkpfA
[11:37] <crshbndct> that is my catalyst control centre settings
[11:38] <crshbndct> and this http://i.imgur.com/zzHbAl.jpg is my desktop.. i wasnt running 11.10 in this shot, but i am now with the same settings
[11:38] <kjeldahl> I did that, but xorg still did not allow me to extend my desktop. There are settings under display options that allow you to do that with the amd utility, but then using xinerama.
[11:39] <kjeldahl> If you drag a window along the border between the two screen, do you see "shearing"?? If you do, that's xinerma (and poor performance) looking at you.
[11:39] <crshbndct> maybe its a gpu issue? what gpu do you have?
[11:40] <kjeldahl> RV730 PRO (Radeon HD 4650) - an old one.
[11:40] <crshbndct> no mine drags from screen to screen with no issues
[11:40] <crshbndct> ahh ok
[11:40] <crshbndct> i suspect that it *MAY* be because those gpus came out before eyefinity and dual screens were a huge big thing
[11:41] <crshbndct> although, if it enables it in the drivers it should work
[11:42] <crshbndct> anyone got any idea how to make empathy open all my chat boxes in the same window, with different tabs?
[11:42] <kjeldahl> When you upgraded, did you set up dual screens again, or did you just keep your setup from before? If you did not set it up again, it could indicate a gui confusion issue in 11.10..
[11:43] <crshbndct> i did a fresh install, was running arch before this
[11:43] <kjeldahl> And you set up dual screen using the ubuntu supplied tool?
[11:44] <crshbndct> no i set it up using the catalyst control centre. the ubuntu tools dont work well with proprietary driver in my experience
[11:45] <kjeldahl> Ok. If you're qurious about the Xinerama stuff you could grep for it in your Xorg log file. But you may be right that on more modern ATI chipset, maybe even the proprietary driver supports dual screen without Xinerama.
[11:47] <crshbndct> i only asked because i tried 11.10 beta 1 and catalyst was BROKEN in that release, well for me anyway. didnt work at all. but the new one works a treat
[11:48] <crshbndct> but anyway i gotta go.. 1am here and i have a grumpy gf waiting for me..
[11:48] <crshbndct> cyas later
[11:48] <kjeldahl> Yeah, I think I got it working both with and without. Take care! Thanks for helping out.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> hey all
[12:23] <jeffrash> Just started seeing an odd issue
[12:24] <jeffrash> if I minimize a window, it doesn't show minimized in the unity bar and I can't open it back up
[12:25] <jeffrash> I'm running 11.10b2
[12:30] <kjeldahl> jeffrash: I have the same with Thunderbird, but terminal works fine.
[12:31] <jeffrash> It's any app for me
[12:31] <jeffrash> terminal, chrome, xchat, etc
[12:31] <kjeldahl> jeffrash: Yes, it just happened with terminal also suddenly. I can always find them through alt-tab though. Still a bug though.
[12:32] <jeffrash> I can click the desktop and then click the icon and it works
[12:33] <jeffrash> and the global menu stays the app I was in even after I minimize it
[12:33] <jeffrash> until I click the desktop
[12:33] <jeffrash> or another app
[12:36] <jeffrash> Looks like focus is staying on the window after it's minimized
[12:37] <drussell> jeffrash: yup am seeing it also, seems to be intermittent...
[12:37] <drussell> jeffrash: can't reproduce it currently, but had it quite a bit yesterday
[12:42] <jeffrash> I'll check for a bug report when I get a chance.
[13:05] <n0rfball> Does anyone know why there are only 4 themes available in 11.10? There doesn't seem to be a mention of the usual Clearlooks etc.
[13:11] <e`> i got an "could not calculate the upgrade" error, the error dialog says i should report it unless i'm upgrading to a pre-release version of ubuntu
[13:11] <e`> so is this some temporary glitch or should i still report it, sounds odd that this late in beta the repo would be in a knot?
[13:15] <kjeldahl> I haven't seen that one, but the installer has crashed on me late during installs for the last few releases. Running a live-cd, then updating everything (at least until ramdisk runs full), and then installing has worked...
[13:17] <steveire> Any ideas how I get skype working on 64bit?
[13:17] <steveire> On oneric
[13:17] <steveire> Clean install
[13:20] <tankdriver> steveire: use the skype:i386 package.
[13:20] <bjsnider> steveire, you likely need to install libxss1:i386, but try starting skype from the console to check
[13:21] <steveire> Thanks, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/830440
[13:21] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, have you tried using a new user account, or the guest account to check if browser audio works?
[13:22] <steveire> However, http://paste.kde.org/128761/
[13:23] <steveire> I don't even know where the bug is there
[13:30] <e`> hmm.. looks like the aborted update left my system in limbo with oneiric stuff in sources.list :I
[13:32] <jeffrash> kjeldahl, drussell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/861989
[13:33] <dud> hey you the rock steady crew...
[13:34] <kjeldahl> jeffrash: Great job; thanks.
[13:35] <LK-> Hi, any idea what's up with online accounts not being integrated yet?
[13:43] <afief> After upgrading to 11.10 postgresql stopped listening to local connections. Anybody knows how to fix it?
[13:58] <daveo> i tried running 11.10 in virtualbox and had installer die (known bug i guess) then many artifacts while moving cursor around, sound familiar?
[13:58] <h00k> Looking for a bug dealing with Empathy/Google Talk where you get a new message from someone, open the conversation, and it appears blank.
[13:59] <e`> re sources.list left with oneiric stuff, i just hadn't closed the update-manager error dialog.. so all good, no ill aftereffects
[14:00] <jeffrash> kjeldahl, drussell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/859885
[14:01] <jeffrash> kjeldahl, drussell, the one I posted before has been flagged as a dupe of this one
[14:03] <drussell> jeffrash: many thanks, will subscribe
[14:12] <h00k> ubottu: 862424
[14:12] <h00k> bug 862424
[14:33] <ErickMoreno> After a fresh 11.10 install, but keeping my configs from 11.04, KDE programs (Digikam and Amarok) seems to have global menu disabled. They keep a separated menu bar always active. Any suggestions?
[14:35] <Lynoure> ErickMoreno: I had the same, thought the global menu thing was buggy... does it work for you if you throw away the configs?
[14:36] <ErickMoreno> Lynoure, I didn't test yet because I don't know where specific global menu configs are placed
[14:37] <ErickMoreno> I also didn't remove kde configs, Lynoure
[14:37] <Stanley00> ErickMoreno: I think Lynoure mean the config of Digikam and Amarok, you should back up your old config and try deleting them...
[14:38] <ErickMoreno> I'll try it Stanley00
[14:38] <Lynoure> Stanley00: indeed, thanks for the clarification :)
[14:39] <Stanley00> ;)
[14:39] <Lynoure> I kind of assume there was no global menu config in 11.04 yet, so throwing that out is N/A, but I can be wrong :)
[14:40] <ErickMoreno> I moved ~/.kde to .kde-backup and had the same behaviour
[14:40] <Stanley00> ErickMoreno: maybe you should log out...
[14:40] <dud> hey you the rock steady crew
[14:41] <dud> i am double key
[14:41] <ErickMoreno> but the apps showed new config wizard, like fresh install
[14:42] <dud> i wish ubuntu is as easy as an apple
[14:43] <ErickMoreno> but it is dud :)
[14:43] <Stanley00> ErickMoreno: hmm bad luck then...
[14:49] <ErickMoreno> I'll logout and see what happens, Stanley00
[14:55] <ErickMoreno> I logout, used the prompt to remove .kde folder, login again and got the same behaviour =/
[14:55] <afief> After upgrading to 11.10 postgresql stopped listening to local connections. Anybody knows how to fix it?
[14:56] <ErickMoreno> any other tip? Any other config that I need to clean Lynoure Stanley00 ?
[14:56] <Stanley00> ErickMoreno: it seem unity global menu not yet work well with kde?
[14:57] <ErickMoreno> I think that kde apps are not correctly integrated at all
[14:57] <ErickMoreno> fonts size, colors and icons are a bit strange too Stanley00
[14:58] <Stanley00> ErickMoreno: it's time to move your old config back ;))
[14:59] <ErickMoreno> I've already did it
[15:00] <ErickMoreno> but it's all the same, colos, icons and global menu are strange in both configs Stanley00
[15:02] <Stanley00> ErickMoreno: I dont use KDE so it hard to guess what's wrong with your apps, you should ask someone else, or hope it will be fixed next update. sorry.
[15:05] <ErickMoreno> anyway, thank you Stanley00 :)
[15:05] <Stanley00> ErickMoreno: you are welcome :)
[15:06] <katronixserf> Hi all, I installed 11.1 on my laptop last night, interesting thing is the live dvd was able to detect my sound card, however the installed version can't. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[15:07] <penguin42> katronixserf: I'd look for differences in dmesg between the live and install and also the contents of /proc/asound/cards in the two
[15:07] <katronixserf> ok
[15:10] <katronixserf> odd, asking for a dmesg, all I get over and over is a number in brackets followed by 2:3:4: cannot set freq 48000 to ep 0x86
[15:11] <katronixserf> the number in brackets changes, but the rest is constant
[15:16] <penguin42> can you give us one of the lines?
[15:18] <katronixserf> [25680.352256] 2:3:4: cannot set freq 48000 to ep 0x86
[15:18] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, in reference to your question about audio as a different user , I'm already included in the audio group
[15:19] <katronixserf> penguin42, that was for you
[15:19] <dud> i installed synaptic
[15:19] <dud> because i missed it
[15:19] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, in this case the problem seems to have been a userland config file, so you should definitely try a different user account
[15:20] <bhavesh_> How can I change the Unity dash size in Ubuntu 11.10?
[15:20] <bhavesh_> coz I dont see any resize thingy at bottom right corner of dash
[15:20] <penguin42> katronixserf: Well that's most likely a sound issue - 48k is the normal sample freq
[15:21] <penguin42> katronixserf: Report the bug using ubuntu-bug
[15:21] <katronixserf> ok
[15:21] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, the only audio problem I have is with webaudio, any music or video-audio plays fine ,but html5 audio doesn't work so it's not just flash sound
[15:22] <bhavesh_> I mean the black window on clicking the search button on the panel
[15:22] <bhavesh_> (too much of "the's"
[15:23] <bhavesh_> )
[15:23] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, that was his problem too
[15:23] <Anon1234> Hi, did the recent updates in oneiric break light themes? None of the icons are appearing for me.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, why shoud different user account make any difference ...I've heard this suggestion before , but why ?
[15:26] <bjsnider> you remember that alsa config file you edited?
[15:26] <bjsnider> here are all kinds of config files that are specific to your user account, and will inevitably be different on another one
[15:26] <bjsnider> a new account would have default values
[15:27] <bjsnider> so would the guest account
[15:27] <BluesKaj>  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
[15:28] <bjsnider> that's a system-wide file, but there are also local files for each account
[15:29] <bjsnider> and the local ones take priority
[15:31]  * BluesKaj shakes his head and wonders why the default user has become a guest on his own pc to make stuff work
[15:34] <katronixserf> odd, even though the system doesn't detect my audio equipment, audio works
[15:35] <katronixserf> that shouldn't happen should it? lol
[15:38] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it's only a test
[15:39] <katronixserf> the audio buttons on my keyboard work too.... utterly bizarre lol
[15:43] <BluesKaj> bjsnider,  I've attmpted to login as a guest . i suppose I have to set that up in usermanagement
[15:45] <BluesKaj> err never attempted
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ok here goes
[15:50] <mobile> hey
[16:13] <mrdoctorwho> Hello. Afrer update to 11.10, libreoffice opening documents very slowly and get many CPU time. What i should to do? (Sorry for my english)
[16:23] <TheSimkin> mrdoctorwho: can you run top/htop and see what your memory usage etc is like and see what's using the most cpu ?
[16:27] <mrdoctorwho>  6316 mrdoctor  20   0  172m  60m  40m R  100  6.1   0:12.30 soffice.bin
[16:27] <mrdoctorwho> 100 - cpu
[16:27] <mrdoctorwho> 6.1 - %mem (of 1 gb)
[16:29] <TheSimkin> uhh
[16:29] <TheSimkin> can you make it a little clearer or use pastebin?
[16:29] <mrdoctorwho> ok
[16:29] <soee> any idea how can i solve this error: error while loading shared libraries: libglade-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 ?
[16:30] <soee> (im trying to run 32 bit app on 64bit system)
[16:30] <TheSimkin> i think you need to install the 32 bit compatibilty stuff
[16:30] <TheSimkin> sorry i'm not sure how to do so in ubuntu.
[16:30] <TheSimkin> googling should answer!
[16:31] <mrdoctorwho> what i should to do with libreoffice?
[16:31] <TheSimkin> mrdoctorwho: run top/htop and copy paste the whole thing please
[16:31] <TheSimkin> mrdoctorwho: what you pasted wasn't enough
[16:31] <mrdoctorwho> TheSimkin: all or only line with soffice.bin?
[16:32] <TheSimkin> the whole thing please
[16:32] <TheSimkin> i want to see your memory usage etc
[16:32] <mrdoctorwho> ok
[16:32] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, the guest user was the same , no audio on any websites
[16:35] <mrdoctorwho> TheSimkin: http://pastebin.com/GTQJ5A6p
[16:35] <mrdoctorwho> Im testing libreoffice on two PC`s
[16:36] <mrdoctorwho> And see a one result
[16:38] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, your issue must be caused by the system-wide alsa config file then
[16:38] <bjsnider> there is some problem with it
[16:40] <BluesKaj> yeah bjsnider , think so too, there are amix settings which appear to override alsaconf according to some
[16:41] <BluesKaj> ppl on the web , but amixer man page help is hopeless as are many man pages that don't give examples of commands that actaully work .
[16:44] <BluesKaj> for example set default suggest to use  c- card hw:X . One gets an error message if I use the setting as card 0 , the default in most setups
[16:46] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, ^
[16:50] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, look, i'm not an expert on alsa config files. you should track down someone who is, and talk to them about it
[16:51] <bjsnider> there's probably an alsa dev channel on freenode
[16:55] <TheSimkin> mrdoctorwho: sorry i was afk
[16:55] <TheSimkin> back and looking
[16:55] <TheSimkin> mrdoctorwho: you have no swap
[16:56] <mrdoctorwho> TheSimkin: yes
[16:56] <TheSimkin> you also have almost no free memory
[16:56] <TheSimkin> your system is going to be slow in this situation
[16:56] <TheSimkin> run top again and press capitol "M"
[16:56] <TheSimkin> this should sort by memory usage
[16:56] <mrdoctorwho> TheSimkin: im tested on two PC`s
[16:57] <TheSimkin> i'm using libreoffice on one-eye-eric and using it as a "print server"
[16:57] <TheSimkin> i can assure you, it is very fast.
[16:57] <TheSimkin> less than 1 second to open a document print it and close up.
[16:58] <TheSimkin> mrdoctorwho: if you still feel it's slugish after fixing your memory problem maybe check out iotop
[16:58] <mrdoctorwho> TheSimkin: before on my pc libreoffice working fast
[16:58] <mrdoctorwho> TheSimkin: and on second pc too
[16:59] <mrdoctorwho> im not use swap because in my netbook installed SSD
[16:59] <TheSimkin> that's even less reason to not use a swap
[16:59] <TheSimkin> swapping to ssd is far better than swapping to a hd
[16:59] <TheSimkin> fix your memory issues plz
[17:01] <mrdoctorwho> ?
[17:04] <mrdoctorwho> i think low memory is not a reason
[17:34] <noobivankenobi> i do have simple problem and i use  amd a3850 apu with 6550 oncpu graphics and  i simply can see anything when i try to install 11.10 beta 2 or daily build , can someone link me a webpage that could help me?
[17:35] <drapedup> you shouldn't be using 11.10 beta first off
[17:35] <noobivankenobi> daily build fails as well
[17:36] <noobivankenobi> tried yesterday last time, it boots running i hear welcome sound but black screen
[17:37] <noobivankenobi> 11.04 is just fine but cant install 11.10
[17:39] <noobivankenobi> Anyone having same problems with amd apus?
[17:47] <noobivankenobi> :)
[17:50]  * penguin42 doesn't have that chip - what is the last thing you see?
[17:52] <dud> i've seen ponchorello
[17:52] <penguin42> ...during boot
[17:55] <robotti^> I have problem
[17:55] <dud> do androids dream of electric sheeps?
[17:56] <robotti^> maybe
[17:56] <dud> darmok and jalad at tanagra
[17:57] <robotti^> dud: star trek: tng?
[17:58] <dud> temba, his arms wide
[17:59] <robotti^> http://dpaste.com/623561/ <-- why this happen?
[17:59] <robotti^> I cannot update
[18:00] <dud> bad ram
[18:00] <dud> delete the apt temp archive
[18:01] <robotti^> bad ram?
[18:01] <penguin42> you know, I've seen a lot of people get Hash Sum mismatches in the last month or two on lots of machines; there is something else going on somewhere
[18:01] <dud> then do sudo apt-get update
[18:01] <robotti^> dud: where is that?
[18:01] <robotti^> dud: where apt temp archhive?
[18:01] <robotti^> where is
[18:02] <dud> var/cache/apt/archives
[18:02] <dud> or do a apt-get clean
[18:03] <robotti^> ok
[18:04] <robotti^> dud: It does not help
[18:04] <robotti^> I firstly run sudo apt-get clean
[18:04] <robotti^> and after that, I just removed everything
[18:04] <robotti^> from that directory.
[18:04] <robotti^> and problem persists.
[18:04] <dud> aptget clean should do the same stuff
[18:05] <robotti^> I did that first
[18:05] <robotti^> and it does not work better
[18:06] <dud> try to use another mirror server
[18:06] <robotti^> okay
[18:06] <dud> in spaghettix or something you can change that easily
[18:08] <robotti^> damsn
[18:09] <robotti^> Maybe I just could go to sleep :)
[18:14] <robotti^> dud: could you recommend for me good apt source?
[18:17] <genii-around> hash sum mismatches can also happen if there is some stale cache on a machine between you and source
[18:18] <robotti^> I could prevent this by using different source?
[18:18] <robotti^> or using proxy?
[18:19] <robotti^> genii-around: should I remove that source?
[18:22] <dud> no glue
[18:23] <dud> do a memtest please
[18:24] <genii-around> robotti^: If it winds up being stale server caching posting #7 here might end up being useful for you:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/apt-get-update-sources-bz2-hash-sum-mismatch-aptitude-update-no-errors-697924/
[18:25] <CyON>  hai guys !! since when I upgraded my ubuntu 11.4 to 11.10 I cant play audio file when I roll over the mouse on the file ! I used to play like this in older versions of ubuntu can any one tell me how to FIX this ?
[18:28] <larsduesing> Hi together
[18:28] <CyON> jbicha: can u please tell me how to fix my problem !
[18:28] <bjsnider> CyON, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11258844&postcount=2
[18:28] <jbicha> CyON: no I don't know what your problem is ;-)
[18:29] <bjsnider> you answered in a forum post
[18:29] <jbicha> oh ok, I surprise myself sometimes :)
[18:29] <bjsnider> bad case of lack of sushi
[18:29] <CyON> jbicha :   since when I upgraded my ubuntu 11.4 to 11.10 I cant play audio file when I roll over the mouse on the file ! I used to play like this in older versions of ubuntu can any one tell me how to FIX this
[18:30] <IdleOne> Anybody else experience this issue. I am unable to adjust the volume from the volume applet but when I open the sound settings I can, this is on Kubuntu11.10 ?
[18:30] <faust_> IdleOne: have you checked that the main channel is set to the right one?
[18:30] <bjsnider> CyON, it's because you don't have sushi
[18:31] <jANaM> Is unity more stable in 11.10?
[18:31] <bjsnider> i couldn't resist
[18:31] <IdleOne> faust_: what do you mean by the right one?
[18:31] <faust_> IdleOne: open kmix and check settings
[18:31] <CyON> bjsnider: so where how I can install sushi ?
[18:31] <bjsnider> rad the forum post link i sent you
[18:32] <CyON> bjsnider: ok
[18:32] <faust_> IdleOne: my laptop has two out channels: hdmi and audio internal analog, by default the installer picked hdmi as the main channel and my function keys where binded to it
[18:33] <faust_> but the sound I hear from the laptop comes out through the other hannel
[18:33] <faust_> IdleOne: kmix>settings
[18:33] <IdleOne> kmix doesn't seem to want to run
[18:34] <faust_> IdleOne: what do you use for sound settings
[18:34] <faust_> ?
[18:35] <IdleOne> right now, click on the volume applet > mixer
[18:35] <charlie-tca> jANaM: more stable than... ?  If it is more stable than 11.04, yes
[18:36] <IdleOne> faust_: it has Internal Audio Analogue Stereo in there
[18:36] <jANaM> Well, has anyone tried qt-unity in 11.10? Does it offer the same features as in 3D unity?
[18:36] <faust_> IdleOne: do you have other choices?
[18:37] <jANaM> because in 11.04 qt unity had less features than the compiz unity(3D)
[18:37] <CyON> bjsnider, I have one more problem in ubuntu 11.10 ,when I import music files in rhythmbox it shows an import errors 'your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in' now what is that error ?
[18:37] <IdleOne> faust_: it doesn't give me other choices it just displays what is in use from what i can tell
[18:37] <IdleOne> and like I said kmix refuse to run
[18:39] <robotti^> genii-around: I changed and it will try to make system update
[18:39] <robotti^> genii-around: like for new version
[18:41] <CyON> bjsnider, ?
[18:41] <bjsnider> CyON, i guess your gstreamer installation is missing a plugin. there are lots of gstreamer plugins packages
[18:42] <CyON> bjsnider, so how to find which plugin is missing in my box ?
[18:42] <robotti^> genii-around: http://dpaste.com/623599/
[18:42] <ErickMoreno> CyON, I can't play music just keeping the mouse over the music file too
[18:43] <ErickMoreno> CyON, did you solved this issue?
[18:43] <CyON> ErickMoreno,  not yet ! :(
[18:43] <bjsnider> it is now handled by a little app called sushi, which hasn't ben packaged yet
[18:44] <robotti^> http://dpaste.com/623599/ <-- does anybody know how to fix that?
[18:45] <ErickMoreno> CyON, now I read the link explaining the issue, will be solved soon
[18:46] <genii-around> robotti^: Please translate "merkitty poistettavaksi, mutta se on poistojen estolistalla."
[18:46] <CyON> ErickMoreno,  yeah!!  I'm waiting for it !!
[18:46] <noobivankenobi> i do have simple problem and i use  amd a3850 apu with 6550 oncpu graphics and  i simply can see anything when i try to install 11.10 beta 2 or daily build , can someone link me a webpage that could help me?
[18:47] <robotti^> genii-around: marked for deletion, but it is a depreciation of blocking list.
[18:48] <robotti^> genii-around: ubuntu-desktop
[18:49] <CyON> ErickMoreno,  then how know the problem is solved , I mean will they provide any update in ubuntu ?
[18:49] <Arnold> Why is Chat (Empathy) marked as active/running in the Message Indicator menu, if it wasn't even launched once?
[18:50] <ErickMoreno> CyON, just update your system frequently. Sometime the issue will be solved
[18:50] <CyON> ErickMoreno, HmmM
[18:51] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[18:51] <Arnold> Hello FernandoMiguel.
[18:55] <noobivankenobi> i do have simple problem and i use  amd a3850 apu with 6550 oncpu graphics and  i simply cant see anything when i try to install 11.10 beta 2 or daily build , can someone link me a webpage that could help me?
[18:57] <genii-around> robotti^: Can you pastebin result of: apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop
[18:59] <robotti^> genii-around: http://dpaste.com/623605/
[19:01] <IdleOne> faust_: somehow the volume applet is now working :)
[19:01] <IdleOne> I didn't change anything
[19:03] <genii-around> robotti^: I would suggest to switch your repositories to the main local one. eg: se.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:04] <faust_> IdleOne: probably it's just luck! :-)
[19:04] <IdleOne> faust_: yup, I'll take it lol
[19:04] <faust_> I am dealing with kmail2 bugs, it's really really annoying
[19:04] <faust_> after today's update
[19:04] <faust_> it started to create duplicate mails
[19:05] <faust_> and tonight I am stuck with 330 unread copies and everytime I "touch" a duplicate
[19:05] <faust_> an error is displayed
[19:05] <faust_> AgentBase(akonadi_maildir_resource_1): Error opening ; this folder is missing.
[19:05] <faust_> that is what the debugger says
[19:05] <faust_> :-(
[19:07] <robotti^> genii-around: how?
[19:12] <genii-around> robotti^: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list   and then change all where you have http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/ubuntu/ubuntu/    to: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[19:13] <genii-around> robotti^: Then save, then sudo apt-get update
[19:14] <robotti^> okei
[19:15] <genii-around> robotti^: Is only ubuntu-desktop from oneiric and the rest of your ubuntu from natty?
[19:15] <robotti^> hmm?
[19:16] <robotti^> I formatted harddrive, and installed oneric. I have not installed natty
[19:16] <robotti^> it was clean install
[19:16] <genii-around> robotti^: OK.
[19:16] <robotti^> so no natty packages
[19:17] <genii-around> robotti^: So then after se.archive.ubuntu.com change, see if sudo apt-get update completes successfully
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> got my old Nokia HS-56W Bluetooth ear piece to work on my Ubuntu laptop.
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> Gonna use it for Plus Hangouts :D
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> cool :D
[19:22] <robotti^> genii-around: I replaced
[19:22] <robotti^> genii-around: it complteded?
[19:23] <robotti^> genii-around: now upgrade?
[19:23] <genii-around> robotti^: sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:23] <genii-around> or sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:24] <robotti^> I do not have instsalled aptitude
[19:25] <robotti^> yes
[19:25] <robotti^> it seems work
[19:31] <Nattgew> what's the deal with emblems in the new nautilus?
[19:31] <robotti^> genii-around: thank you!
[19:33] <genii-around> robotti^: You're welcome.
[19:43] <deuris> hi
[19:45] <deuris> i get some problem when i want to install 'ubi-partman failed with exit code 141...'
[19:47] <dud> darmok and jald
[19:47] <deuris> what's that?
[19:49] <genii-around> Star Trek nerd stuff
[19:49] <deuris> i'm too young for that
[19:55] <deuris> is the same problem in ubuntu than in edubuntu
[19:58] <ari-tczew> hello
[19:58] <ari-tczew> software based on gtk couldn't run after last updates
[19:58] <ari-tczew> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: undefined symbol: gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored
[19:58] <ari-tczew> is it a known bug?
[20:04] <deuris> october 13, i am wainting for you
[20:07] <crshbndct> i am waiting for 13/10 for many reasons. first paycheck from new job, new hard ware order, ubuntu 11.10, and bulldozer
[20:08] <deuris> me just ubuntu buddy i don't have a great life like you
[20:09] <crshbndct> Hey Chris, i dont know if this is the right show for it it, or maybe LAS, but can you cover how linux does multithreading, vs say, bsd, windows, apple, etc
[20:09] <crshbndct> oh hell wrong goddamn channel
[20:10] <jtaylor> ari-tczew: bug 862553
[20:10] <ari-tczew> jtaylor: thank you so much
[20:11] <Nattgew> did gnome 3 remove emblems in nautilus completely?
[20:13] <zonkers> anyone know of a bug in unity where i resize the desktop and I lose the poweroff/logout button?
[20:19] <CardinalFang> Is update-manager's triangle-bang icon  /!\ supposed to be twice as large as the top panel and overflow onto the desktop?
[20:19] <CardinalFang> It does kind of stand out, but it's not supposed to stand *out*.
[20:21] <CardinalFang> http://sandbox.chad.org/update-manager-trianglebang.png
[20:35] <histo> win 3
[20:50] <ian_mac_> I'm having real difficulty getting grub to autoboot
[20:50] <ian_mac_> any tips?
[20:52] <genii-around> ian_mac_: If I understand.. it stops forever on the main screen wanting you to make a selection before it can continue?
[21:14] <ian_mac_> genii-around - yes
[21:15] <genii-around> ian_mac_: Can you paste your current /etc/default/grub file please
[21:15] <genii-around> Pastebin, rather
[21:16] <genii-around> !pastebin
[21:17] <ian_mac_> sec
[21:20] <ian_mac_> genii-around http://paste2.org/p/1679746
[21:23] <genii-around> ian_mac_: I would comment out lines 7 and 8 , sudo update grub
[21:24] <genii-around> ian_mac_: I have to leave but will be back tomorrow.
[21:25] <ian_mac_> kk thanks
[21:31] <Monotoko> Beta 2 is the most recent.. right?
[21:31] <jtaylor> yes
[21:33] <Monotoko> excellent :)
[21:35] <jtaylor> but run apt-get {update,upgrade} after installing
[21:35] <jtaylor> there are many updates
[21:55] <graft> anyone know how to make a custom launcher for a PDF file on unity?
[22:04] <darkphader> ack! latest round of updates screwed up my desktop - wallpaper shifted, closed app ghostprints
[22:07] <jtaylor> welcome to the beta that feels like an alpha :)
[22:07] <jtaylor> not very good that I still manage to crash compiz/gsettings at least twice a day ._.
[22:09] <graft> what's worse is that this is the second release featuring this technology, and it still feels like an alpha
[22:12] <winut> on kubuntu, does muon support ppa's? thanks
[22:13] <graft> soo... on the "Filter Results" tab of the search widget, can anyone actually see the "Size" options? They all show up as "..." for me
[22:14] <Monotoko> I have Windows 7 and Windows 8 Dev Preview on here... am I right in thinking that if I overwrite Windows 8 Dev Preview with Ubuntu 11.10 Beta 2... I will get a GRUB menu and be able to boot into both Ubuntu and Windows 7
[22:14] <yofel> winut: it does
[22:15] <winut> finally got kubuntu 11.10 64 working in virtual box 4.1.2. used daily from 29/9/2011 and guided method. thanks
[22:15] <graft> Monotoko: that should work, yeah
[22:16] <graft> Monotoko: you can also just install grub to the MBR without overwriting anything, probably
[22:16] <winut> thanks yofel :-)
[22:17] <Monotoko> graft, aye.. I just wanted to delete Windows 8 and install the Ubuntu Beta... at the moment it will boot up and ask me whether I want Windows 7 or Windows 8... just not qite sure if when I click Windows 7 on the GRUB menu, it'll fall over because 8 doesn't exist
[22:18] <Monotoko> *quite
[22:18] <graft> Monotoko: did you already install the ubuntu beta?
[22:18] <Monotoko> graft, no.. I'm about to
[22:18] <graft> Monotoko: also, no harm in trying it, worst that can happen is you'll have to reboot
[22:19] <graft> Monotoko: oic... yeah, it should figure it out okay
[22:19] <Monotoko> graft, cool thanks :)
[22:19] <graft> Monotoko: as long as they're on separate partitions
[22:20] <winut> what are the best way to install virtual box guest additions and setup 3d on kubuntu? thanks
[22:21] <winut> as discussed, i am running this in virtualbox
[22:22] <yofel> winut: last time I used vitualbox you had to install virtualbox-guest-x11 in the VM
[22:22] <yofel> I hope it's still so
[22:23] <winut> there is a script i can run but i would prefer apt to handle this, thanks
[22:23] <winut> is that in the repos?
[22:23] <yofel> it is
[22:24] <winut> ok, thank you :-)
[22:26] <winut> when i search in muon package manager it did not show, or anything much to be honest, maybe i'm using that wrong?
[22:27] <winut> i'm doing it in konsole instead :-)
[22:29] <winut> is it possible to make kde4 look like kde 3.x ? thanks
[22:31] <winut> i installed kubuntu so i can try and get amarok working properly! lol it looks very nice :-)
[22:33] <yofel> ah, it's not a program, so the software center won't show it, the package manager will
[22:33] <yofel> (muon has 2 parts)
[22:34] <winut> i thought i was in the package manager! ill check
[22:35] <yofel> it shows up in the package manager here
[22:35] <winut> i was, looks like it needed guest additions to work properly! lol
[22:36] <winut> i guess thats a bug
[22:47] <winut> really happy with kubuntu 11.10 daily, amarok working on all stations :-) thanks guys
[22:48] <winut> however, its a bit laggy on virtualbox, should i enable 3d or something? thanks
[22:50] <winut> i also think muon should show a lot more information about the packages it finds, like version etc without clicking on it, thats poor imo
[22:51] <winut> thats simplification on steroids!
[22:51] <winut> the best model for what information to display would be synaptic
[22:53] <yofel> winut: fell free to file a wishlist bug against muon on bugs.kde.org
[22:53] <yofel> *feel
[22:53] <winut> yup, ok, thanks :-)
[22:54] <winut> btw, do you feel that there should be more information displayed about packages on muon?
[22:56] <winut> btw, is kxstudio repositories now merged in ubuntu/kubuntu repos ? thanks
[22:56] <soee> any idea how can i solve this error: error while loading shared libraries: libglade-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 ?
[22:57] <yofel> soee: that looks like an 32/64-bit lib mismatch, what are you trying to run?
[22:57] <soee> yofel, im trying to install game, 32bit version
[22:58] <yofel> winut: I'm usually happy with it as it is, the thing I'm missing is terminal output while it installs packages.
[22:58] <yofel> soee: on a 64bit system? That won't work if it assumes the system libs are 32bit too
[22:59] <soee> :/
[22:59] <winut> yes, as an option, merge the thing with synaptic! lol
[22:59] <yofel> unless libglade is multiarch, then there's a chance
[22:59] <yofel> winut: you can't really merge Qt and gtk :P
[22:59] <winut> i meant the best features of..
[22:59] <winut> not literally :-)
[22:59] <yofel> well, I know the dev tried to add it, but it seems to be rather tricky
[23:00] <winut> yofel: wouldn't want to either for bloat and other reasons :-)
[23:01] <winut> however, i use gtk on macports, bland as $%#$ but functional :-)
[23:02] <FernandoMiguel> anyone has any idea on how to stream a desktop or browser window via DLNA?
[23:02] <FernandoMiguel> hi yofel
[23:02]  * yofel doesn't even know what DLNA is
[23:04] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: eheh
[23:07] <ChrisGagnon> FernandoMiguel: what are you trying to do?
[23:07] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisGagnon: stream firefox to my TV
[23:08] <escott_> FernandoMiguel, can dnla even do that. i thought it was just a protocol for media discovery
[23:09] <FernandoMiguel> escott yes it can
[23:09] <ChrisGagnon> FernandoMiguel: http://realmike.org/blog/2011/02/09/live-desktop-streaming-via-dlna-on-gnulinux/
[23:09] <FernandoMiguel> I'm trying to put vlc stream screen
[23:10] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisGagnon: already been there
[23:10] <FernandoMiguel> miss match with current 11.10
[23:12] <ChrisGagnon> FernandoMiguel: what's miss matched?
[23:12] <FernandoMiguel> got some errors
[23:12] <FernandoMiguel> didn't took much time to get it fixed
[23:17] <alex_mayorga> anyone on nvidia with a borked desktop?
[23:17]  * yofel is on nvidia with a not borked desktop
[23:18] <alex_mayorga> yofel: not entirely borked, but seems like the desktop is shifted to the right and down a bit :(
[23:19] <nhaines> alex_mayorga: this is bug 862743.
[23:19] <FernandoMiguel> alex wfm
[23:19] <alex_mayorga> nhaines: thanks! is there a known workaround?
[23:20] <nhaines> alex_mayorga: you can revert back to Unity 4.18, or you can wait patiently since someone's bound to notice something like this and fix it.  :)
[23:20] <alex_mayorga> nhaines: thanks again!
[23:21] <nhaines> alex_mayorga: I have it on Intel, too.  But it'll probably be fixed some time tomorrow... it's nighttime for most of the Unity developers.  Also, Unity2D should work great for you overnight!
[23:21] <nhaines> alex_mayorga: you're welcome.  :)
[23:49] <len> after updating today, I could log into kde anymore, and was missing a other things.  Installed Kubuntu-desktop, and got back in.  This happend on two different machines, after updating, so I know it isn't the machine.   The big problem I'm having now is that I firefox and chrome both crash.  I think it has  something to do with ssl getting screwed up on the update.  Does anyone know what got fouled up with the update process today?
[23:51] <len> Got this from both FF and chrome:  symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: undefined symbol: gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored
[23:56] <hansg01> aren't oneiric become more unstable after instaling the latest updates?