[02:35] <melinda> Does anyone know where i can download a free users manual for LUBUNTU 17.10 at?
[02:35] <tsimonq2> Please don't crosspost.
[06:36] <yipyap> Hi
 Yo, wxl, can ya hunt this down? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1746247
[17:47] <lubot1> You also have some things waiting in Phab when you have the time 😉
 Or anyone else for that matter who wants something to do :D
[18:20] <wxl> i've actually seen that before, @tsimonq2. usually switching VTs resolves it. i can tell you, anecdotally, i've had all sorts of display issues with vbox as of late.
 @wxl, Hm ok
 Interesting
 @VikingRedwolf Please find a way to link this on Lubuntu.me's download page in a good way :) https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/30/tutorial-install-ubuntu-on-a-chromebook/
 but... itsn't that Ubuntu only?
 anyways, a blog post woud be nice :)
 @VikingRedwolf, No
 @VikingRedwolf, Ok
 but yes, I'll figure out where to put that
 Ok
[20:47] -GitHub126:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n opened pull request #11: Changes in Leafpad user documentation (master...leafpad-changes) https://git.io/vNQJF
 Also, @tsimonq2 what do you think? ^
 @MikolajczakMarcin, looking
[21:59] -GitHub80:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNQ63
[21:59] -GitHub80:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 00907ef Simon Quigley: Revise the main page and give contact info.
[22:03] -GitHub65:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #11: Changes in Leafpad user documentation (master...leafpad-changes) https://git.io/vNQJF
[22:03] -GitHub192:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNQ6Q
[22:03] -GitHub192:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 65cce3a Marcin Mikołajczak: Changes in Leafpad user documentation (#11)...
[22:05] -GitHub156:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNQiL
[22:05] -GitHub156:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master dfbf842 Marcin Mikołajczak: Update to current sources...
[22:06] -GitHub137:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n force-pushed master from dfbf842 to fea5bb1: https://git.io/vNV1Z
[22:06] -GitHub137:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master fea5bb1 Marcin Mikołajczak: Update translation files to current sources...
 Manually deployed 😉
[23:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vNQQ1
[23:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master db9a289 Simon Quigley: Update the guide a bit....
[23:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 1566ead Simon Quigley: Fix Sphinx whining.
[23:31] <tsimonq2> I "blame" krytarik for the name "lugito" :P
 @MikolajczakMarcin translation string updates ^^^^^^^
 Not today…
 OK, no problem :)
[23:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNQ53
[23:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 5bf282d Simon Quigley: Don't forget to credit Daniel Lim too.


[00:29] <tomreyn> someone did (not sure whom or when)
[11:57] <sudip> tomreyn: do you mean the tag Jammy? In the other bugs I saw the main one is tracking Noble and then there is another sub-bug kind of thing which says Jammy.
[11:58] <sudip> and other sub-bugs will target other release and then marked as Invalid
[11:58] <sudip> an example of what I mean is LP: #1969968
[11:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 1969968 in impressive (Ubuntu Jammy) "[SRU] impressive segfault" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1969968
[19:27] <rbasak> sudip: done
[23:57] <sudip> thanks rbasak


 @Flohack [No sorry, it affects random users. Some reported it fixes itself after a few day …], I have the same problem for a couple of days (I have already had this problem several times in the past). … Too bad, because I think it's essential to have a 100% working Telegram client on the smartphone.
 @X YZ [I don't mind my mailserver knowing i am pulling mail, i.e.being online. That's w …], if its any relief apps are confined on ut, they can't read any data outside their own directories
 it has the setting that keeps track of how many times you launch apps on ;)
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 Hi, is there a known issue related to mobile rotation? Im not able to rotate my phone in landscape mode for quite a long time, and idk if its hardware or software related
 @tvallois [Hi, is there a known issue related to mobile rotation? Im not able to rotate my …], which device? … Did you tried something of this? … Check the status of the rotation lock indicator … Install the sensorstatus app from openstore and check the acelerometer values … Check the channel you are
 @tvallois [Hi, is there a known issue related to mobile rotation? Im not able to rotate my …], Are you on edge?
 @Flohack [Are you on edge?], Im on stable.
 Ok rotation works on stable pretty much. Which device do you have
 @j2g2rp [which device? … Did you tried something of this? … Check the status of the rotation …], Nexus 5. No ive tried Nottingham. Rotation is activated. Ill download the app
 Oops sry bad autocompletion. Ive tried nothing
 I also have N5. I'm on RC release and i don't have any problems with rotation. The toggle of rotation indicator  is off (rotation active)
 Yep same.
 Ive downloaded the app  but i have no information for any data
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[08:21] <ubptgbot> <    > Hi
[08:21] <ubptgbot> <    > I found a port of LineageOS 15. 1 (android 8. 1) for the bq-M10-FHD, I wonder if you might be interested in Halium?
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 @tvallois [Ive downloaded the app  but i have no information for any data], That's my info when my N5 is on vertical position
 Everything stay empty for me
 @tvallois [Everything stay empty for me], how long are you using your N5 with UT?
 @j2g2rp [how long are you using your N5 with UT?], Almost one year now
 did you flashed it? It had the last stock android version for N5?
 Looks like a hardware issue but i would give a try to flash again UT. If it doesn't works I would install android and UT again.
 Ok i'l try that
 Ty for help Josu
 You are wellcome
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 how many of you are using their ub-phone as first device?
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 @marc_petschke [how many of you are using their ub-phone as first device?], You mean as daily?
 yeah.. as daily..
 I do it since 4 years or so, maybe a bit longer. My GF too. Already 2 ppl ^^
 oh really? hm,,
 ah dich gerade erst erkannt :D ...
 @marc_petschke [how many of you are using their ub-phone as first device?], me, using the xperia x p
 @marc_petschke [yeah.. as daily..], I used to a long time ago back when Canonical fronted it... unfortunately I don't have a device capable of running it well anymore
 well, i have an Xperia X, but thats running Sailfish 😆
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 Use p20 lige?
 Lite*
 O wish setup on p 20 lite but ı d know how to setup on p 20 lite
 I think that model is not supported: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
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[15:23] <a5k> Hi everybody! Does anybody has HOWTO "How do I install Ubuntu Touch on my Raspberry Pi?". There is nothing in doc's (https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/raspberrypi).
 http://ubports.com/join-us
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 Is it posible run a Pithon3 Notebook.ipynb?
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 hello good greeting I love this project I would like to know if a Motorola E6 play can with have
 [Edit] Is it posible run a Pyhon3 Notebook.ipynb?
 Sorry
 As I said, you can have the possibility of installing it, I would really love to have it
 That model does not appear in the list of supported phones.
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 If I know, that's why I want to know if there was a way to have it or a way to install it as I said I love Linux Ubuntu and I used its distro and program
 Ubuntu Touch has to be adapted for each phone.
 Well I hope one day to have it on my phone would be very super and I know what it is like
 Remember that Ubuntu Touch is not Ubuntu
 On the desktop, things are more standardized.
 I know, thanks for the information if you need someone to sponsor or something similar, I will be very excited to collaborate alive in Bogotá with
 I know, thanks for the information if you need someone to sponsor or something similar I will be very excited to collaborate alive in Bogotá Colombia
 Hi guys, I was thinking to buy a new phone, as my nexus 5 hardware is dying slowly. I saw the Sony Xperia X and the Oneplus 3 being cool phones. How is UT on them? Any noticeable bug or missing feature? Thanks
 @mymike00 [Hi guys, I was thinking to buy a new phone, as my nexus 5 hardware is dying slow …], Xperia X is missing video and flash. Otherwise doing fine. Using one right now. 😉 I don't know about Op3 but its camera is supposed to have less artifacts compared to the Xperia X. If image quality is of concern to you. Xperias battery does nit
[17:29] <ubptgbot>  last a long time. But I might be spoiled by my E5. 😇
 Xperia needs a reboot to pick up a change in developer mode. E5 doesn't need that.
 @Gyon25 [I know, thanks for the information if you need someone to sponsor or something s …], if you want you could learn to adapt it for your phone
 @Danfro [Xperia X is missing video and flash. Otherwise doing fine. Using one right now. …], Thank you. I don't use camera that often, so not perfect quality is fine form me. I also saw that the Xperia is a bit older than the op3...
 @Gyon25 [I know, thanks for the information if you need someone to sponsor or something s …], See the pinned message
 @Fuseteam [if you want you could learn to adapt it for your phone], Cómo puedo si me explican lo hago
 @mymike00 [Thank you. I don't use camera that often, so not perfect quality is fine form me …], Nexus 6P or Pixel 3a could also be fun
 @Stereofont [See the pinned message], ????
 @Gyon25 [Cómo puedo si me explican lo hago], meu portugues nao bom ingles por favor
 It is Spanish?
 o tu habla espanol? desculpe
 Hehe
 @Fuseteam [meu portugues nao bom ingles por favor], I'm sorry I forgot to use the translator I speak is Spanish as I was telling you if you explain how to use it it would be good to learn to adapt it
 ah i see
 @Gyon25 [I'm sorry I forgot to use the translator I speak is Spanish as I was telling you …], https://ubports.com/join-us
 Si hablo español uso traductor jajaja lo siento
 you can start at docs.halium.org
 jajaja i see i see
 In this group we use English, since most can then understand
 what was the link for the spanish group again?
 Don't worry, I know, no problem
 @Fuseteam [what was the link for the spanish group again?], https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 https://t.me/UbportsES maybe?
 oooh close
 👍
 @Stereofont [https://ubports.com/join-us], I was already in that link and there is no file for this phone, mine is Motorola E6 play there is one for Motorola but it is not the same
 yes the os needs to be ported for your phone
 @Gyon25 [I was already in that link and there is no file for this phone, mine is Motorola …], yes, it will need someone with the device to do the work to port it
 There is no port for your phone unfortunately
 its a long process which is described at http://docs.halum.org
 este grupo es para hablar espanol https://t.me/UBPorts_ES perhaps you may find it easier to get answers there
 @Fuseteam [este grupo es para hablar espanol https://t.me/UBPorts_ES perhaps you may find i …], I already join the group, thank you, I'll be here too
 alright, good luck 👍
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 @Stereofont [Nexus 6P or Pixel 3a could also be fun], Oh yeah, I didn't considered the pixel, I don't remember it was actually listed in the devices page... But that might be more expensive, I found an op3 at 100€
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/titan/
 This is from Motorola but I don't know if it would work in my moro
 This is from Motorola but I don't know if it would work on my Motorola
 @Gyon25 [This is from Motorola but I don't know if it would work on my Motorola], it won't. every phone is different
 @dohbee [it won't. every phone is different], Yes, I know, although once I tried Windows phone when it is available on a different phone and I don't know how I did it but I made it compatible that was a great experience for me
 Anyway I will be pending but I love this project I am currently looking to acquire a laptop to continue experimenting with this universe of Linux Ubuntu and all its distro and flavors
 In all respects it's great
 🎉
 @mymike00 [Thank you. I don't use camera that often, so not perfect quality is fine form me …], If you need bluetooth, you might need to investigate a bit more. That seems to work with some devices and not with others on the Xperia. No idea regarding Op3.
 @Danfro [If you need bluetooth, you might need to investigate a bit more. That seems to w …], Ah, good to know
 btw i made a couple of translations on ubports to spanish.
 we need to translate libertine now.
 @mymike00 [Ah, good to know], And one more Xperia specific thing : currently wifi mac address seems to change around. So if you need to provide a fixed mac i.e. for restricted wifi at work that needs fixing first.
 But I think Alfred is aware of that. So I hope that is only temporary.
 But all in all, the Xperia does make a nice daily driver for me.
 @Danfro [And one more Xperia specific thing : currently wifi mac address seems to change …], I don't think I'll need that, but thanks, always good to know
 @Danfro [But all in all, the Xperia does make a nice daily driver for me.], Cool!
 @mymike00 [I don't think I'll need that, but thanks, always good to know], Also, it might come into your preferred size and form factor. I think OP3 is better on paper but it's bigger than Xperia X. I like smaller phones so I chose the Xperia X which is almost perfect for me. It terms of performence, it's the best I had with UT. I had
[19:24] <ubptgbot>  bq E5, Meizu MX4, Nexus 5 and 7.
 @Javacookies [Also, it might come into your preferred size and form factor. I think OP3 is bet …], Ah right, too many things to remember when buying a phone 😅 … My main concern was integration with UT, specific phone bugs
 Then the Xperia is a great device. I am running mine as daily driver since January. No trouble. Fast and reliable.
 Uhm, just remembering some smaller volume things. Sometimes calls are quite loud and then not so loud on others. But, well nothing that stops me using it. 😉
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[11:26] <mup> PR snapd#12317 closed: overlord: add a high-level README about state and changes <Skip spread> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12317>
[11:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#3986 closed: Hotfix/7.2 merge <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3986>
[11:33] <mup> PR snapcraft#3975 closed: cli: accept snap file in legacy upload-metadata command <Created by galgalesh> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3975>
[11:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#3984 closed: Fixed StoreLegacyRegisterKeyCommand's overview <Created by facundobatista> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3984>
[11:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3987 opened: ci: remove docker before building snap <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3987>
[12:11] <mup> PR snapd#12325 closed: overlord,daemon: refactor parameters for CreateQuota into a structure, and rename QuotaGroupUpdate <quota> <Pulse> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12325>
[17:02] <mup> PR snapd#12311 closed: many: ensure Current in val set tracking matches PinnedAt (if != 0) <Pulse> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12311>
[17:18] <mup> PR snapd#12334 opened: o/restart: fix PendingForSystemRestart <Bug> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12334>
[17:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#3987 closed: ci: remove docker before building snap <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3987>
[18:03] <mup> PR snapd#12335 opened: many: ensure Current in val set tracking matches PinnedAt, if != 0 (2.58) <cherry-picked> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12335>
[20:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#3981 closed: commands, lifecycle: provide snapcraft try for core22 <Created by tigarmo> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3981>


[07:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[21:04] <FourFire> Greetings
[21:04] <FourFire> can I install Kernel 4.0.9 on my Ubuntu 15.04 without concern for everything breaking spectacularly?


[00:00] <wgrant> Nothing else in them changes.
[00:00] <wgrant> So the status change dates cover all changes.
[00:01] <cprov-afk> wgrant: there are multiple timestamps fields, it's doesn't sound easy
[00:01] <wgrant> I could just look at the recently published records and implement the domination logic myself, but that doesn't catch deletions and seems stupid.
[00:02] <wgrant> cprov-afk: $givendate < MAX(datecreated, datemadepending, datepublished, dateremoved, datesuperseded)
[00:02] <wgrant> Hmmm. No datedeleted or dateobsoleted :(
[00:04] <cprov-afk> wgrant: datemadepending is not exaclty what it looks, it's something like 'datemadependingremoval'
[00:04] <wgrant> cprov-afk: I just noticed that in the API docs.
[00:04] <wgrant> Does that cover all removal cases?
[00:05] <cprov-afk> wgrant: the timestamp when the records entered in quarantine for removal
[00:05] <cprov-afk> wgrant: the quarantine is 24 hours
[00:05] <poolie> is there a command line tool yet where i can say "make bug X confirmed low?"
[00:06] <cprov-afk> wgrant: which is the instant records in scheduleddeletiondate
[00:06] <wgrant> cprov-afk: So the scheduled removal date is datemadepending + 24h?
[00:06] <wgrant> Right.
[00:06] <cprov-afk> wgrant: correct
[00:06] <wgrant> cprov-afk: The web UI knows when a package was Deleted, and I can't see a field for that anywhere.
[00:08] <cprov-afk> wgrant: datesuperseded is the instant when a record marked as DELETED was deleted
[00:10] <wgrant> cprov-afk: So that covers all removal cases except OBSOLETE? Can I get an argument to filter based on that, then?
[00:11] <cprov-afk> wgrant: obsolete is very rare, only happens when the series goes EOL.
[00:11] <wgrant> cprov-afk: I know, so I don't really care about that.
[00:12] <wgrant> I just care about Superseded and Deleted, and datesuperseded seems to cover them.
[00:12] <RicardoPerez> hi. is launchpad down?
[00:12] <wgrant> RicardoPerez: Works fine for me.
[00:13] <RicardoPerez> oh, I'm trying to translate but I only receive Timeout error messages
[00:14]  * wgrant doesn't use Translations.
[00:14] <RicardoPerez> Now I can see the following message: "Please try again. Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[00:15] <RicardoPerez> maybe there's a problem in Rosetta
[00:31] <mthaddon> we're doing some work on translations which may affect performance there - I'll note that in the topic
[03:53] <meoblast001> hi
[03:54] <meoblast001> my commits come up as Braden Walters if i am on my desktop and meoblast001 if i am on my laptop, how do i make it say meoblast001 on both?
[08:04] <poolie> hey why doesn't https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+me work?
[08:06] <wgrant> poolie: Because you omitted the /people, I suspect.
[08:06] <poolie> where?
[08:06] <poolie> oh
[08:07] <poolie> ok it does work but that's pretty weird
[08:08] <wgrant> It's not that weir.d
[08:08] <wgrant> I am a person.
[08:08] <poolie> what could /+me mean if not the obvious?
[08:09] <wgrant> Who knows.
[08:09] <wgrant> A lot of people try /+me.
[08:09] <wgrant> So it's probably a good idea.
[08:14] <poolie> fwiw nobody tried it in the last day for which we have logs
[08:14] <poolie> (disappointed)
[08:14] <poolie> but, they probably do still try it
[08:14] <poolie> and maybe i'm misreading the data
[08:33]  * wgrant wonders if that's what lurks behind lpstats.c.c.
[08:50] <poolie> no, it's the oops summary
[08:50] <poolie> just a digestified version of the error log i guess
[08:50] <wgrant> Ah.
[08:50] <wgrant> So all 404s generate OOPSes?
[08:50] <wgrant> Convenient.
[09:49] <buzzDrive> Does it exista package for mysql workbench?
[10:56] <Peng_> Oh no...my web server was broken long enough that LP no longer mirrors my branches. Anyone wanna click "Try again" 48 times for me? ;-)
[11:13] <Peng_> Oh, it had only given up on about half of them.
[11:15] <Peng_> The fun thing is, now LP will be mirroring all of my branches at the exact same time of day again. :D
[13:10] <fab2> gmb: are you here today?
[13:11] <fab2> I still would like to migrate my porject from sourceforge to LP
[13:11] <fab2> I was in contact with gmb for migrating the trackers, but it seems that he definitely forgot about that :(
[13:12] <fab2> can someone else help me?
[13:12] <intellectronica> fab2: maybe he's lunching. he should be around any minute
[13:12] <intellectronica> fab2: have you filed a question with the details?
[13:25] <gmb> intellectronica: Yes, he has.
[13:25] <gmb> fab2: Hi. Bear with me a second here and I'll be right with you.
[13:33] <fab2> gmb: ok!
[14:01] <adiroiban> hm
[14:16] <gmb> fab2: Sorry for the delay... I'm waiting for ec2 to pull its finger out and run a launchpad instance for you.
[14:17] <fab2> ok
[14:17] <fab2> gmb: do you have an idea of when this will be done?
[14:18] <gmb> fab2: The ec2 machine has just come up now; I need to do some configuration and then the import, so probably another ~30 minutes.
[14:18] <fab2> ah OK :)
[14:18] <fab2> I stay in touch
[15:18] <MTecknology> any chance a losa could peak in on question 61885
[15:22] <kiko> MTecknology, why wasn't Tom's question answered? it was pretty clear what he needed to register it.
[15:22] <kiko> "What display name and description do you want, and do you have a custom image you'd like to use? Also, do you need any additional fields passed to your site in addition to the openid URL (the user would be notified of these)?"
[15:22] <kiko> if you don't give the information necessary, such requests can take forever ;)
[15:24] <kfogel> thekorn: ping
[15:24] <thekorn> kfogel, hi
[15:24] <MTecknology> kiko: oh - perhaps I should have readit twice first... sorry
[15:25] <kfogel> thekorn: what programs are you using the Launchpad API in?  (I'm trying to get an overview of how people are using it.)
[15:25] <kfogel> thekorn: I assume since you contribute to launchpadlib itself that you're also writing code that *uses* the API, not just hacking on the API provider itself :-)
[15:26] <thekorn> kfogel, apport, ubuntu-dev-tools and ilaunchpad-shell, and I hope to use the API in leonov (when I find the time to work on it)
[15:26] <kfogel> thekorn: thanks
[15:28] <thekorn> kfogel, and in a few scripts which are not public (yet)
[15:28] <kfogel> thekorn: leonov development looks to be paused, is that accurate for now?
[15:30] <thekorn> kfogel, that's correct, unfortunatly, but there is bug 336666 with some recent ideas/work
[15:34] <kfogel> thekorn: *nod*  Hope you get time to pick it up again.  For this writeup, I'll leave out not-yet-public and not-currently-active projects.  Reading your bug, I see a reference to "python-launchpad-bugs" -- was that some kind of screenscraping library that's now superseded by launchpadlib?
[15:36] <thekorn> kfogel, right, py-lp-bugs is a python package doing alot of screenscraping. It was written to access bugreports and used by tools like bughelper
[15:36] <thekorn> and leonov in the past
[15:36] <thekorn> many tools already switched over to lplib, or at least they plan to
[15:37] <thekorn> but a few are still using py-lp-bugs
[15:37] <thekorn> but the more JS stuff is added to launchpad, the more painfull screenscraping gets
[15:38] <thekorn> so, it is a very good thing to have the API
[15:39] <intellectronica> thekorn: we almost always maintain a non-js version in parallel
[15:39] <intellectronica> but yes, ideally you shouldn't have to scrape at all
[15:39] <kfogel> (hmmm, and launchpadlib is not threadsafe, I read in #336666?  there doesn't seem to be a bug filed on that...)
[15:39] <kfogel> thekorn: ^^
[15:41] <thekorn> kfogel, well I'm not sure if it is launchpadlib or httplib2/httplib, but right, I did not file a bugreport on it, can do later today
[15:41] <kfogel> thekorn: thread-unsafeness would be a pretty big deal, I think, so thanks
[15:41] <kfogel> We could use that report.
[15:49] <thekorn> ok, have to run now, feel free to ping me again If there are some questions remain unanswered
[19:14] <ripps> Can someone help me figure out why a PPA plugin pack won't build for intrepid/hardy, but builds perfectly jaunty. I've already taken into account different build-depends.
[19:15] <ripps> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gmpc-trunk/+archive/ppa
[21:04] <ripps> I'm having trouble getting my gmpc-plugins backports to build in the gmpc-trunk ppa.
[21:05] <blueyed> Hi, can you move a bug to another/a series?
[21:31] <wgrant> blueyed: You can nominate it for a release.
[21:31] <wgrant> If you want to move it from one to another, you have to Won't Fix the old one.
[21:36] <blueyed> wgrant: I cannot see how I could do that with https://bugs.launchpad.net/b2evolution/+bug/348230
[21:44] <wgrant> blueyed: '(Nominate for|Target to) release' just under the task table.
[21:46] <blueyed> wgrant: thanks, it worked.
[21:46] <wgrant> blueyed: I've no idea why that link isn't inside the relevant task.
[21:47] <blueyed> wgrant: "inside the relevant task"?
[21:48] <wgrant> blueyed: IMHO the link should be right after 'b2evolution' in the table.
[21:48] <wgrant> Also, you forgot to transfer the milestone over.
[21:49] <blueyed> thanks, wgrant. fixed.
[22:13] <jelmer> mwhudson: ping
[22:13] <mwhudson> jelmer: hola
[22:14] <jelmer> mwhudson: Are there any plans to show custom revision properties in the Launchpad/loggerhead views?
[22:14] <mwhudson> jelmer: only very vague ones
[22:14] <jelmer> mwhudson: I'm in particular thinking of the bug metadata and foreign vcs properties
[22:14] <mwhudson> jelmer: patches for loggerhead gratefully accepted :)
[22:15] <jelmer> mwhudson: heh, ok
[22:15] <MTecknology> !find gnome-power-cmd
[22:26] <ripps> Does anybody know why I get build freezes when backporting a jaunty build to intrepid/hardy. I've already taken build-deps into account.
[23:33] <markvandenborre> I'm probably overlooking something really obvious
[23:33] <markvandenborre> but how do I make someone an administrator in a launchpad team that I own?
[23:34] <jpds> markvandenborre: Go to the members list, click the pencil at the end of the row, and mark them as admin.
[23:36] <markvandenborre> jpds: sorry for asking about the obvious
[23:36] <markvandenborre> I guess this is a sign that I'm getting a bit too sleepy
[23:36] <markvandenborre> jpds: thx for your hint
[23:36] <markvandenborre> 'night
[23:36] <jpds> markvandenborre: Remember: the only stupid questions are the unasked ones.
[23:40] <maxb> ripps: Well, your hardy build has a meaningful error message in its log
[23:49] <mrooney> Is there an easy way to see the unpushed commits of a branch to the push branch?
[23:53] <mrooney> I often forget if I have pushed my commits, and can't figure out how to tell besides pushing
[23:55] <maxb> Try #bzr ?
[23:57] <mrooney> Oh yes I always imagine bzr and launchpad as the same thing in my head :)


[00:44] <Sarvatt> doh, can't even pass LDFLAGS to configure in debian/rules to make xterm build anymore now that gcc changed to default --as-needed apparently
[00:46] <jcristau> fun.  i didn't try --as-needed, thought --no-add-needed would be where most problems would come from
[00:46] <RAOF> Can't you just pass --no-as-needed in LDFLAGS?
[00:47] <RAOF> (Before fixing the buildsystem, of course?)
[00:47] <jcristau> meh, --as-needed is just wrong..
[00:47] <Sarvatt> I dont know how to properly fix this and am just trying to get things building locally at least, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/677129
[00:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 677129 in xterm (Ubuntu) "Please merge xterm 266-1 (main) from debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,New]
[00:48] <Sarvatt> how I "fixed" it to build locally was probably totally wrong :)
[00:52] <jcristau> Sarvatt: run make with EXTRA_LOADFLAGS="-lX11 -lfontconfig"
[00:52] <jcristau> seems to work
[00:54] <jcristau> (ugly workaround, but meh)
[00:55] <jcristau> built for me with http://paste.debian.net/100177/ anyway
[00:57] <Sarvatt> fails needing -lXmu still
[00:58] <jcristau> bleh
[00:58] <jcristau> -lXmu is getting passed here
[00:58] <jcristau> i get -lXft -lXaw7 -lXt -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lutempter -ltermcap -lX11 -lfontconfig
[00:59] <jcristau> Sarvatt: does gcc 4.4 in natty also do that?  if not you could set CC=gcc-4.4 :p
[01:00] <Sarvatt> yeah I'm so tempted to just CC=gcc-4.4 everything :D
[01:01] <jcristau> sounds like thomas has a patch
[01:07] <Sarvatt> darn, fixes everything but -lX11
[01:09] <Sarvatt> ah crap, missing a new big bang theory :)
[01:09] <RAOF> The internet will have archived it for you :)
[01:10] <Sarvatt> indeed
[01:22] <ScottK> There was a change where the order of LDFLAGS matters now and it didn't before.
[01:22]  * ScottK doesn't recall details.
[01:25] <jcristau> i'm still hoping to avoid the as-needed madness in wheezy
[02:19] <ScottK> At least a Debian release cycle is a little longer to deal with it.
[11:32] <lesshaste> does anyone else have problems with X hanging after a recent update? It just hangs for a few minutes especially when I am running kile. I can go to a VT and strace kile where I see "kile: cannot connect to X server"
[16:37] <Sarvatt> RAOF, bryceh: seen this nugget of awesomeness<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:30] <bryceh> Sarvatt, wow, exactly what we need
[18:21] <ScottK> Wow.  No sarcasm.  Very unusual.
[18:21] <ScottK> (unless my sarcasm meter is way off)
[18:22] <bryceh> ScottK, haven't had my coffee yet
[18:24] <Sarvatt> thats something we were talking about at UDS and turns out someone already did it, very awesome :)
[20:48] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, I'm going to update my mesa snapshot in wayland, and am going to use the latest snapshot in xorg-edgers
[20:48] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, anything I should be aware of?
[20:49] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, also, should I use the debian/ for xorg-edgers or the one from maverick (or natty?)
[20:50] <Sarvatt_> nope, it doesnt really matter if you're not disabling stuff
[20:51] <Sarvatt_> only differences are that it builds the xorg state tracker, has the changes needed to build 7.10, builds vmwgfx, r300g is default, and doesn't have ARB_fragment_shader disabled on gen3 intel
[20:52] <Sarvatt_> also it installs nouveau_vieux for older nvidia
[20:53] <Sarvatt_> well, now that I remember it also installs a bunch more into /usr/lib/dri/gallium for manual use like r600g and swrastg
[20:54] <bryceh> openvg1?  Looks like I had disabled that in my build
[20:54] <Sarvatt_> dunno why
[20:54] <Sarvatt_> thats in ubuntu too
[20:55] <Sarvatt_> the configure flags to enable it in 7.10 are different though
[20:55] <bryceh> think I had a build error vs. egl
[20:55] <bryceh> but I'll try it again enabled
[20:55] <Sarvatt_> oh you passed --disable-gallium and broke the world :)
[20:56] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, what's the commented out i965 gallium 'kill it with fire' stuff?
[20:56] <bryceh> yeah could be
[20:56] <Sarvatt_> i965 gallium driver is severely broken
[21:01] <bryceh> vmware?
[21:01] <bryceh> that'd given be build issues before
[21:02] <Sarvatt_> when you passed --disable-gallium?
[21:02] <bryceh> no after I'd re-enabled gallium
[21:02] <bryceh> you'd also mentioned at the time something about it being sketchy
[21:03] <Sarvatt_> it builds fine on stock natty, i did it last week
[21:03] <Sarvatt_> yeah it's sketchy but is fixing up every copy worth it? :D
[21:03] <Sarvatt_> it's in dri-experimental
[21:05] <bryceh> well I'll give it a try
[21:05] <Sarvatt_> want to start merging 7.10 snapshots in git in preparation and just use that instead of edgers?
[21:05] <bryceh> maybe yeah
[21:05] <bryceh> I'll just go with this for now though
[21:29] <soren> How can I check if a given card is supported? Didn
[21:29] <soren> t there used to be a list of pci id's and how they corresponded to drivers?
[21:30] <bryceh> soren, that's changed.  there's now a file in sysfs for the driver which lists the pci id's the driver supports
[21:31] <bryceh> nouveau_context.c: In function ‘nouveau_context_init’:
[21:31] <bryceh> nouveau_context.c:132: warning: passing argument 4 of ‘nouveau_channel_alloc’ makes pointer from integer without a cast
[21:31] <bryceh> /usr/include/nouveau/nouveau_channel.h:51: note: expected ‘struct nouveau_channel **’ but argument is of type ‘int’
[21:31] <bryceh> nouveau_context.c:132: error: too many arguments to function ‘nouveau_channel_alloc’
[21:31] <bryceh> make[7]: *** [nouveau_context.o] Error 1
[21:31] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, ^ maverick build of mesa failed there
[21:31] <soren> bryceh: Oh, it moved into the kernel?
[21:31]  * soren hasn't kept up, clearly.
[21:31] <bryceh> soren, yeah you may have seen mention of 'KMS'
[21:31] <Sarvatt_> bryceh: bah, libdrm :(
[21:31] <soren> bryceh: Right.
[21:32] <soren> bryceh: Just thought there was still a bit of that stuff left in "userspace".
[21:32] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, well maybe it'll build in the ppa where I have a newer libdrm snapshot
[21:32] <Sarvatt_> guess I had a newer libdrm in the chroot it built in, sorry about that :(
[21:32] <bryceh> this system builds fast but I don't want to install random libdrms and stuff
[21:33] <soren> bryceh: Do you have a maverick or natty system handy to check if 1002:3151 is supported there?
[21:33] <soren> bryceh: I
[21:33] <bjsnider> Sarvatt_, did you see that amusing email from linus today?
[21:34] <bjsnider> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2010-November/005615.html
[21:35] <jcristau> i found dave's reply better
[21:36] <Sarvatt_> same
[21:38] <bjsnider> i'm surprised that the intel driver is smaller than nouveau, i mean fewer lines of code
[21:38] <Sarvatt_> soren: "0x3151","RV380_3151","RV380",,,,,,"ATI FireMV 2400 (PCI)"?
[21:38] <soren> Sarvatt_: Yup.
[21:38] <soren> Sarvatt_: On Lucid,I don't see it in modules.pcimap, at least.
[21:39] <Sarvatt_> yeah dont see it here either
[21:39] <Sarvatt_> I see it in the ddx though
[21:39] <jcristau> bjsnider: less variations in hw
[21:39] <Sarvatt_> alias:          pci:v00001002d00003152sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
[21:39] <Sarvatt_> alias:          pci:v00001002d00003150sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
[21:40] <Sarvatt_> waaaay less
[21:40] <soren> Sarvatt_: http://www.spinics.net/lists/xorg/msg50868.html
[21:40] <soren> Sarvatt_: That one lists it in an Xorg.log. that seems somewhat promising.
[21:41] <soren> ..but now that the kernel's involved, I'm not sure my logic is sound.
[21:43] <Sarvatt_> make it a duplicate of whatever 1002:3155 uses and see if it goes splat :)
[21:43] <soren> Sarvatt_: Trouble is I'm trying to work out if I should buy it.
[21:44] <Sarvatt_> "0x3151","RV380_3151","RV380",,,,,,"ATI FireMV 2400 (PCI)"
[21:44] <Sarvatt_> "0x3155","RV380_3155","RV380",1,,,,,"ATI FireMV 2400 3155 (PCI)"
[21:45] <bjsnider> Like I know the goal here is to create the perfect kernel for hardware Linus owns...
[21:45] <Sarvatt_> tried asking in #radeon? probably just an oversight 3151 didn't get added to the list, newer revision or something not many people have
[21:46] <soren> Sarvatt_: I didn't, but I will now. thanks!
[21:48] <Sarvatt_> hmm
[21:48] <Sarvatt_> soren: this might be interesting https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=581927
[21:48] <ubot4> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 581927 in xorg-x11-drv-ati "MULI-GPU FireMV 2400 missing pciid + dual screen issue" [Medium,New]
[21:49] <soren> Sarvatt_: thanks!
[21:51] <Sarvatt_> soren: why not go for a hd 5xxx single gpu? they come with up to 6 dp connectors
[21:52] <bryceh> soren, maverick - http://pastebin.com/EeQfiUzr
[21:52] <bryceh> soren, natty - http://pastebin.com/Kh7ea0WF
[21:52] <Sarvatt_> multi-gpu solutions aren't going to be fun
[21:54] <soren> Sarvatt_: No particular reason (other than complete ignorance).
[21:54] <Sarvatt_> a firepro 2460 might be a better option (and cheaper)
[21:55] <soren> Sarvatt_: Excellent. That's the other one I'm considering.
[21:56] <soren> Sarvatt_: I just couldn't even find a PCI id for it, so didn't know where to start.
[21:56] <soren> Sarvatt_: Rocking. I'll just grab one of those.
[21:57] <soren> Sarvatt_: Thanks!
[21:58] <Sarvatt_> 1002:68F1
[21:58] <Sarvatt_> supported by fglrx too if you care about that :D
[21:58] <soren> Sarvatt_: How did you find it?
[21:58] <soren> I looked in an up-to-date pci.ids
[21:58] <soren> No dice.
[21:58] <Sarvatt_> googled FirePro 2460 pci id, its in the description of the second result
[21:59] <Sarvatt_> "ATI FirePro 2460 (FireMV)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68F1
[21:59] <soren> And here I was, using grep like a sucker.
[21:59] <soren> Sarvatt_: Wicked. Thanks!
[21:59] <Sarvatt_> soren: do you care about 3D performance at all?
[22:00] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, ok the mesa built locally (finally) on my test laptop.  Got a whole mess of W's and E's tho
[22:00] <Sarvatt_> if you're going firepro there are consumer variants that are much faster with 6 displayport outputs even
[22:00] <bryceh> just lintian stuff I guess
[22:00] <jcristau> bryceh: it's mesa, anything other than a mess would be wrong ;)
[22:00] <bryceh> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/534397/
[22:01] <soren> Sarvatt_: I suppose the price tag is accordingly higher?
[22:01] <Sarvatt_> soren: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102888&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-Sapphire+Tech-_-14102888
[22:01] <Sarvatt_> not really
[22:01] <Sarvatt_> its at least 8-10x faster of a card
[22:01] <bryceh> I gather all the latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-version is just because of pitti's dropping of the changelogs?  Any way we could easily suppress that warning?
[22:02] <soren> Sarvatt_: 3d doesn't really matter.
[22:02] <soren> Sarvatt_: And I like the passive cooling bit.
[22:02] <Sarvatt_> I haven't read up on things lately, there may even be 6870's with 6 dp outputs now too at a cheaper price
[22:02] <Sarvatt_> ah yeah, that firepro is nice in that area, 13 watts max power usage too
[22:03] <Sarvatt_> but its a lot of extra money for the firepro name :)
[22:03] <Sarvatt_> lemme dig around, might be able to find something else
[22:04] <bryceh> re: linus' email... they could cut down on drm churn if they had a better non-code mechanism to deal with monitor and card quirks
[22:06] <soren> Sarvatt_: Thanks, man. I really appreciate it. I gave up on keeping track of graphics cards years, and years and years ago.
[22:08] <Sarvatt_> only 5870's with 6 mini-dp and that firepro 2460 with 4 it looks like, darn
[22:08] <soren> Sarvatt_: They don't have to mini-dp's if that makes a difference.
[22:08] <Sarvatt_> that 2460 is amazingly slow though so I really hope you don't plan on doing anything 3D related
[22:08] <soren> In fact, I prefer DVI.
[22:09] <Sarvatt_> soren: do you have dispayport monitors?
[22:09] <soren> Sarvatt_: Nope.
[22:09] <bjsnider> bryceh, what kind of mechanism?
[22:09] <Sarvatt_> oh thats a problem
[22:09] <soren> Sarvatt_: Yeah, I'd need dongles.
[22:09] <Sarvatt_> active dongles if you use more than 2
[22:09] <Sarvatt_> quite expensive
[22:10] <bryceh> bjsnider, e.g. DeviceTree
[22:10] <Sarvatt_> soren: oh nice! http://www.amazon.com/Accell-B087B-005B-DisplayPort-Single-Link-Certified/dp/B004071ZX0/ref=pd_cp_e_1
[22:10] <Sarvatt_> they got quite a bit cheaper, they used to be over $100 each
[22:11] <Sarvatt_> the active part is really important, you are limited to 2 monitors otherwise if you aren't using native displayport
[22:15] <soren> Sarvatt_: They're (unsurprisingly, I guess) quite silent about that in the product description.
[22:15] <soren> Sarvatt_: Or vague, at least.
[22:16] <soren> Sarvatt_: I would have thought an active component would have some sort of power source.
[22:16] <Sarvatt_> http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=51
[22:17] <Sarvatt_> the evergreen hardware: part of it explains how complicated it is :D
[22:18] <Sarvatt_> hmm, looks like I was mistaken
[22:18] <Sarvatt_> oh nope, "However, you are limited to two active non-DP monitors (due to there only being two PLLs) at a time."
[22:18] <soren> Right.
[22:19] <soren> It's not entirely clear to me if I could get by with two active and two passive converters.
[22:19] <soren> The card seems to come with just one passive converter.
[22:20] <Sarvatt_> passive ones work for up to 2 non displayport monitors, you could have 2 single link DVI with passive converters and 4 native dp at once
[22:21]  * Sarvatt_ is just assuming your monitors dont require dual link dvi
[22:21] <soren> I think I've reached the threshold for how much information I can take in on a Friday evening.
[22:22] <soren> Sarvatt_: Thanks! this has been great. I'll ponder it over the weekend.
[22:22] <Sarvatt_> no worries, good luck with it
[22:27] <Sarvatt_> bryceh: hmm, I haven't noticed any no changelog lintian warnings..
[22:29] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, I figured it out
[22:29] <Sarvatt_> no dh_installchangelogs?
[22:30] <Sarvatt_> yeah no lintian warning, just built xterm
[22:31] <Sarvatt_>         #XXX: FIXME - causes error with copyright file(?!)
[22:31] <Sarvatt_>         #dh_installdocs
[22:31] <Sarvatt_>         #dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog
[22:32] <Sarvatt_> sorry yeah you figured it out :)
[22:41] <Sarvatt_> bryceh: already fix up cairo locally or want me to upload it?
[22:42] <Sarvatt_> (optional)__gnu_lto_v1@Base 1.10.0
[22:42] <bryceh> Sarvatt_, go for it


[16:35] <ncweber> I'm liking the new Ubuntu.  Unity finally works flawlessly (as compared to 10.10 Netbook Edition).
[16:37] <ncweber> So far, the only thing that's not working is Gwibber.  I may have damaged it previously when stopping it from loading.  It was eating up some serious CPU on my netbook.
[16:38] <ncweber> Still is, actually.  Why it needs three copies of gwibber-service running is beyond me.  I may just write it off as a loss and continue to use the Adobe AIR based Seesmic Desktop
[16:53] <bcurtiswx> amazing how a fresh install really speeds things up :-\
[16:55] <bcurtiswx> .gnupg moved to fresh install
[16:55] <bcurtiswx> does .ssh _really_ need to as well?
[16:58] <maco> do you need your ssh keys?

[17:00] <bcurtiswx> won't hurt either way i guess
[18:29] <bcurtiswx> maco, think you'll make it to TOI for a bit tomorrow?
[18:30] <maco> idk. boyfriend's birthday weekend
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> whats better than indian cuisine on a birthday??? huh?? huh! :P
[19:22] <ncweber> I won't be there.  Got a nasty cold.  Don't wanna spread it around.  The bug stops here.


[00:05] <ovnicraft> so i get working bzr send but i want to know if there is any web tool to scan the email or mail list check the patches and manage it  ?
[00:21] <spiv> ovnicraft: bundlebuggy
[00:23] <ovnicraft> yes i am trying to install, but last update was in 2009
[00:23] <ovnicraft> is not a good signal
[00:33] <ovnicraft> i can't install it
[00:33] <ovnicraft> there is any another tool like it?
[07:03] <vila> hi all (and a special hi to 7 digits lp bugs ;)
[08:03] <mgz> morning all!
[08:12] <mgz> bug 1000000
[08:12] <mgz> ehehhee
[08:14] <fullermd> Who knew apple was causing so many problems?
[08:18] <bob2> if it's the same price, it doesn't really address the listed problems (but of course: FREEDOM)
[08:23] <vila> mgz: hehe, too bad you don't have IRC logs ;O)
[08:29] <fullermd> Of course an iPad is, what, like 400 bucks?  So fixing a bug on LP should be worth...  $26,800...
[08:29]  * fullermd gets hacking.
[08:30]  * bob2 kicks in $5
[09:34] <fullermd> The sad part of getting a mail from PQM on -commits is that it underlines how few mails have come from PQM on -commits of late...
[09:40] <mgz> indeed.
[10:15] <bob2> fullermd, otoh, PQM LIVES
[10:17]  * fullermd dives for a shotgun.
[10:23] <mgz> ha, christian perrier complaining about inflated launchpad bug count,
[10:24] <jam> mgz: because of the 1M rollover?
[10:24] <mgz> and too many dupes of bug 728840 on samba4... which jelmer fixed!
[10:24] <bob2> the ipad one above seemed to have used spamming to get the round number
[10:25] <mgz> yeah, flooding bug reports to get the magic number is a little silly, but it's not unusual
[10:25] <mgz> I remember peeps doing it to get a magic number wikipedia article
[10:25] <fullermd> Is that supposed to be a _supporting_ argument?  :p
[10:26] <bob2> tl;dr some people are lame, film at 11
[10:26] <jelmer> mgz: I don't think bubulle is really complaining about the bug numbers
[10:26] <jelmer> mgz: more about the fact that there are so many bug reports that aren't particularly useful
[10:26] <mgz> jelmer: but the whol point of errors.ubuntu.com and related work for precise was to improve this
[10:26] <bob2> making bug reporting very easy isn't without downsides :)
[10:26] <mgz> and the samba4 thing he's complaining about isn't even new
[10:27] <jelmer> mgz: for precise, we still good a flood of duplicate bug reports
[10:27] <jelmer> mgz: all of which had to be marked as dupes
[10:28] <mgz> right, the crash deduping stuff isn't perfect, but it's (mostly) a big improvement
[10:28] <mgz> there's only one 9-series bug in that impressive dupe list.
[10:28] <jelmer> mgz: it doesn't seem to be working for the samba4 package
[10:29] <jelmer> mgz: the bug only occurs for the upgrade to oneiric afaik
[10:32] <mgz> certainly the crash stuff on precise has mostly worked for me, pointed at (already fixed) bug reports where they existed
[10:33] <mgz> though didn't do anything useful for one with a smashed stack (unsuprisingly)
[10:33] <jelmer> I've been doing a lot of manual bug duping for samba4 in precise too, so it certainly doesn't seem to work for that
[10:34] <jelmer> related, opening the stracktraces attached to those automated bug reports in chromium/firefox (often the only way to see what the bug is about) has quite a bit of overhead
[10:35] <jelmer> I do think we have made progress, but I also agree with bubulle that (at least for the samba4 package) the automated bug reports are more of a nuisance than really useful at this point.
[10:35] <mgz> right, launchpad attachments aren't the best way of looking at that info
[10:36] <mgz> really they need to link back to the new fancy stuff
[10:43] <jelmer> mgz: hmm, errors.ubuntu.com is interesting
[10:44] <mgz> it's a mini version of the really nice crash stuff mozilla have had for ages
[10:44] <jelmer> mgz: it seems it has only reports for specific packages though
[10:44] <mgz> which is great for analysing crash frequency and causes
[10:44] <jelmer> mgz: so it's not apport based then?
[10:44] <mgz> I'm not sure on all the details, it's Evan's baby
[10:45] <jelmer> ah
[14:06] <bialix> hi all
[14:11] <jelmer> hi bialix
[14:19] <mgz> hey alexander
[14:28] <vila> hey bialix
[14:28] <vila> ha, too late ;)
[14:29] <mgz> just missed, vila :)
[14:30] <vila> hey bialix
[14:30] <bialix> hi bzr-core guys!
[14:30] <vila> darn, sound broken again...
[14:30] <bialix> what is your plans about new releases?
[14:30] <jelmer> vila: *piiiing*
[14:30] <mgz> bialix: well, we really need to release 2.5.1 with the various fixes
[14:31] <bialix> it seems all you are very busy last months, it's very quiet in ML/merge proposals
[14:32] <mgz> right, we've not been working on bzr
[14:42] <bialix> mgz: can I ask why?
[14:43] <mgz> meh, we should have posted something to the list ages back
[14:43] <mgz> so, I'm still not sure what we're going to be working on next month
[14:44] <mgz> but we're not on bzr feature work for the forseeable future.
[14:45] <mgz> jam is doing sprint hand-off this week of the U1 work he was doing on rotation since the autumn
[14:46] <mgz> then hopefully we can get a few things better sorted out.
[18:38] <bjp> is something wrong with this revisionspec: -rbefore:date:2012-05-03,11:34:00
[18:39] <bjp> i'm getting 'requested revision does not exist in branch' but there are plenty of revisions and the last one is from before that
[18:44] <james_w> bjp, "bzr help revisionspec" reads like there has to be a revision after the date in question for that to work
[18:45] <bjp> for -rdate:, but i read (somewhere) that -rbefore:date:  grabs one before that date
[18:45] <james_w> bjp, it probably grabs the revision before the one pointed to by the date thing
[18:45] <bjp> ooh
[18:46] <james_w> before(date) rather than (before date)
[18:46] <bjp> so i need to do a special case for last revision older than date? (i'm trying to batch some bzr commands)
[18:47] <james_w> bjp, that's what it reads like, but I'm not positive
[20:41] <thopiekar> hello. Using "bzr branch ftp://<user>:<pass>@<ip>/<dir>/<branch>/ " gives me the error that the connection has been refused and using bzrlib in a python script gives the same error: http://pastebin.com/mb6aPK7p
[21:11] <lifeless> thopiekar: that suggests that the ftp server isn't running or is firewalled
[21:41] <thopiekar> but the link is working as you put it into a browser or connect to it via ftp client
[21:41] <thopiekar> lifeless: ^
[21:43] <thopiekar> and I get the same error when using the local ip in my private network (no firewall)
[22:06] <thopiekar> something similar when pushing code via ftp: http://pastebin.com/WiEv4FHk


[08:15] -queuebot:#edubuntu- Unapproved: accepted edubuntu-menu [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.13]


[04:50] <pavlushka> Hello pnazs !
[05:34] <pnazs> hello pavlushka vai, how are you?
[07:03] <pnazs> \
[07:44] <eprbata> Hello Kilos !
[07:45] <pavlushka> pnazs: ping
[07:57] <pavlushka> pnazs: I am fine, what's up?
[08:01] <pnazs> so many troubles. now i am preety fine.
[08:02] <pnazs> all i want to do now is "work work work work work"
[08:04] <Kilos> morning guys
[08:05] <pnazs> Morning!
[08:08] <pavlushka> pnazs: that's good :)
[08:08] <pavlushka> work
[08:08] <pnazs> yap.
[08:15] <Kilos> pnazs is that zaki?
[08:16] <pnazs> Kilos bro, i am Nazmul.
[08:16] <Kilos> oh  ok hi then pnazs
[08:16] <pnazs> hello
[08:16] <Kilos> nice to meet you
[08:17] <pnazs> same here. r u from bd?
[08:17] <Kilos> no im from south africa
[08:17] <pnazs> oh! i remember!
[08:18] <pnazs> So, how are you?
[08:18] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[08:18] <pnazs> fine. what do you do?
[08:18] <Kilos> im waiting for this channel to fill up with bd guys
[08:19] <pnazs> i am inviting my friends.
[08:19] <pnazs> :)
[08:19] <Kilos> i retired and work at trying to revive dead LoCos
[08:20] <Kilos> helping the LC
[08:20]  * pavlushka hopes that LC will help Kilos too.
[08:21] <Kilos> i was sad when pavlushka failed to become an ubuntu member because of no guidance or support so decided to help out
[08:22] <Kilos> i want to see many bd peeps applying for membership
[08:22] <pavlushka> Kilos: dont be, it only made me stronger and more determined, :)
[08:22] <pnazs> Interrupt: What is LoCo?
[08:22] <Kilos> lol im not sad anymore, i have a new friend
[08:23] <Kilos> loco  council
[08:23] <Kilos> local community sorry
[08:23] <pavlushka> pnazs: local community
[08:23] <pavlushka> LoCo
[08:23] <pnazs> o. got it
[08:24] <pavlushka> pnazs: its refers to actually Ubuntu local community.\
[08:24] <pavlushka> in short LoCo
[08:25] <pavlushka> but it includes FOSS as well.
[08:26] <pnazs> okay
[08:29] <pavlushka> gotta run, will be available after evening, till then, cheers :)
[08:30] <pnazs> cheers!
[13:54] <z4ki> eprbata:
[15:46] <zaki> welcome Kilos :)
[15:46] <Kilos> ty zaki
[15:46] <zaki> busy day?
[15:49] <Kilos> yeah 2 lambs born premature so ewe hasnt got milk yet
[15:49] <Kilos> so feeding then with bottle
[15:50] <zaki> oh.
[15:50] <Kilos> and booked my flight to aus this avy as well , thats why i was offline so i didnt get distracted and mess up
[15:51] <zaki> Kilos: when you going to aus?
[15:53] <zaki> welcome all of you
[15:53] <Kilos> 30 august zaki
[15:55] <Kilos> eish they got bad connections
[15:56] <eprbata> zaki: did you bounced z4ki?
[15:56] <zaki> Kilos: great. how much time will you stay there?
[15:56] <zaki> nope
[15:56] <pavlushka> zaki: you got mail, checked that?
[15:56] <pavlushka> Hello AudaciousTUX !
[15:57] <eprbata> Hello AudaciousTUX !
[15:57] <AudaciousTUX> hello all
[15:57] <zaki> yess! got that mail, replyed.
[15:58] <eprbata> AudaciousTUX: how are you?
[15:58] <AudaciousTUX> fine :)
[15:58] <AudaciousTUX> but i couldn't recognize u :(
[15:59] <zaki> Kilos: where is qa? and kewpi?
[16:05] <Kilos> i switched kewpie off when i rebooted but qa i will find now
[16:05] <zaki> oky.
[16:06] <Kilos> QA wb
[16:06] <QA> Thank you so much Kilos my good friend
[16:06] <Kilos> must have been a netsplit or something
[16:06] <zaki> hmm, i was wondering
[16:07] <zaki> about QA
[16:08] <Kilos> yes often with netsplits they dont reconnect
[16:08] <Kilos> the server she is on hasnt been programmed to autojoin her
[16:08] <Kilos> so i have to do it manually everytime
[16:08] <zaki> oh.
[16:09] <Kilos> she autojoins ##kilos
[16:09] <zaki> bbl
[16:09] <pavlushka> zaki: you have got mail.
[16:13] <zaki> pavlushka: (y)
[16:41] <AudaciousTUX> i giveup..... একজনের ওয়াইফাই মোডিউল আমার পচ তে কাজ করে তার মিন্টে কাজ করেনা...। টিম্ভিউয়ার দিয়া হেলাপ্নোড় ট্রাই করলাম পারলাম্না...।  :3


[21:39] <bdmurray> in bug 883658 the order of operations seems off to me
[21:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 883658 in ubiquity "what installing ubuntu 11.10 and sayed it crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883658
[21:40]  * bdmurray reads again and takes it back
[23:40] <CIA-16> casper: superm1 * r971 casper.precise/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper):
[23:40] <CIA-16> casper: Allow the "device" UUID to be used to resolve UUIDs in addition to the UUID
[23:40] <CIA-16> casper: in .disk/info. Useful for situations that the casper filesystem is on
[23:40] <CIA-16> casper: a disk and that disk's UUID is specified on kernel command line.


[08:20] <liato> hi
[08:20] <lynorian> hello
[08:23] <liato> Im new to Lubuntu i installed it yesterday because Windows is just way to Slow now for me but just one thing i know how to install things like sudo apt install name but how do i uninstall things i tried sudo apt uninstall name but it didnt work soo im just asking in here
[08:23] <lynorian> liato: sudo apt purge name or sudo apt remove name
[08:24] <liato> Thanks im trying it gimme a sec
[08:24] <liato> okay it works thanks guys
[21:50] <gu> heya, having an issue installing lubuntu 19.04 from a live usb. I get to partitions and the "next" is greyed out regardless
 Hi. A member of the Lubuntu group in Russian asks if there is any way to rotate the screen 90 degrees in Lubuntu. I suppose it's on LXQt
 @JyotiGomes  yes it is in monitor settings as the rotation field
 https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.10/monitor_settings.html sadly no russian translation yet
 @lynorian [https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.10/monitor_settings.html sadly no russian tr …], Thank you


  To use GNOME Shell instead of Unity, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". GNOME 3 is not supported under Natty, and may break your system if installed from alternate sources.
[14:55] <popey> nice one Pici
[15:00] <ikonia> possibly the best factoid I've ever read
[15:02] <Pici> pff
[15:17] <jrib> !nounity
[15:18] <jrib> oh I understand now :)
[16:54] <oCean> djskidd: hi, what's up?
[16:54] <djskidd> Hi
[16:54] <djskidd> I'm applying for op
[16:55] <djskidd> If my OpenPGP would decide to show itself so I can sign the Code Of Conduct
[16:55] <oCean> djskidd: you are familiar with the procedure?
[16:55] <oCean> !canibeanop
[16:55] <djskidd> oCean: gpg --fingerprint  in terminal right?
[16:56] <djskidd> oh, yeah. I know how to apply
[16:59] <oCean> djskidd: that's just to list your fingerprint
[17:00] <oCean> you should upload your (public) key to one of the ubuntu keyservers
[17:02] <oCean> djskidd: hello?
[17:02] <djskidd> oCean Hello, and, again, welcome to the Aperture Science Computer-Aided Enrichment Center.
[17:03] <oCean> djskidd: please don't waste our time here, if there's nothing we can do, please /part
[17:04] <mneptok> my brain feels funny now.
[17:04] <oCean> let me feel it
[17:07] <mneptok> the lid seems stuck.
[17:07] <mneptok> some people got really mad at me last time i used tools to loosen it.
[17:09]  * popey tickles mneptok
[17:10]  * mneptok burbles and drools a bit
[17:54] <Jordan_U> ahh, #ubuntu-opstopic.
[18:01] <Pici> Channel #ubuntu-opstopic is not registered.
[18:19] <h00k> it's true
[18:19] <pangolin> ?
[18:20] <h00k> pangolin: ah, you weren't in here
 Channel #ubuntu-opstopic is not registered.
[18:20] <pangolin> couldn't have been important
[18:21] <Myrtti> oh good god
[18:25] <ikonia> a user called dan3 left me a pm asking why he was banned, no idea why/from where, just thought I'd put it out there if any of you knew him
[18:55] <h00k> ikonia: good luck
[20:54] <guntbert> hi, whatch out for <TimLoal> in #u, solicits PM...
[20:57] <LjL> guntbert: hmm, might be innocent enough, i'm taking no action for the time being
[20:58] <guntbert> LjL: fair enough, but seemed odd - please regard it as a "heads up" only :)
[20:58] <guntbert> *but it
[20:59] <guntbert> bye and have fun with the oneiric surge :-)
[22:41] <PerfM> I'd like to be unbanned from #ubuntu now please
[22:41] <PerfM> I think we're all tired of these games
[22:43] <PerfM> QUIT HIDING
[22:43] <PerfM> SHOW YOURSELVES
[22:48] <Flannel> Hi PerfM
[22:49] <PerfM> Flannel, yaaay!
[22:49] <Flannel> PerfM: I agree that everyone involved is tired of these games.  Let's stop playing them.
[22:49] <PerfM> Okay cool, unban and we can get on with our beautiful lives
[22:50] <Flannel> PerfM: Unfortunately no.    I think that was a reasonable request.
[22:50] <PerfM> Oh, yes, about that. It wasn't me, my account was hacked into
[22:51] <Flannel> PerfM: I thought we agreed to stop playing games?
[22:51] <PerfM> I said unban me first
[22:52] <Flannel> PerfM: That's not how this works.
[22:52] <PerfM> Flannel, but really, it was.   So We'll see you mid-January.
[22:54] <Flannel> Have a lovely holiday season and a happy new year.
[22:54] <PerfM> this makes no sese
[22:54] <PerfM> ugh
[22:54] <PerfM> this makes no sense*
[22:55] <Flannel> PerfM: September + 3 = January, so yeah, it does.
[22:56] <PerfM> I thought this all happened in august, either way. You guys are so unfair
[22:56] <Flannel> PerfM: Once we hit that mark, I'll be the first to welcome you back to discuss things and get your bans sorted out.
[22:56] <PerfM> omg, ldunn_ you're an op!
[22:56] <PerfM> thats so exciting!
[22:56] <PerfM> I take back the whole BFFs thing btw
[22:57] <PerfM> Flannel, ohh godd, does it have to be you?
[22:57] <Flannel> PerfM: Nope
[22:58] <PerfM> lawlz, y'alirght kid
[22:58] <PerfM> Flannel, have a great day~
[22:58] <Flannel> PerfM: you too.
[23:02] <Flannel> @mark PerfM
[23:32] <emorris> Hi, I have a funny feeling about mkultra; might be worth keeping an eye on
[23:35] <Flannel> emorris: Thanks
[23:36] <emorris> np
 Anybody sucessfully connect wirelessly in ubuntu 11.10? I can connect with kubuntu but the actual os is too buggy on my machine due to kde.
[23:58] <bazhang> what a terrible b-day present!


[07:49] <vish> so.. when we switch to wayland, will this channel be renamed to #ubuntu-w ?
[07:50] <tjaalton> you're not around to see it anyway ;)
[07:50] <vish> :D
[07:51] <tjaalton> x won't go away, at least it'll live as a wayland client for a long time to come
[07:52] <vish> aah!
[08:31] <tjaalton> RAOF: I'll merge xserver 1.10.1
[09:03] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: no point is there, 1 commit you already added as a patch?
[09:08] <Sarvatt> WTH.. vblank_mode=0 glxgears under an xtrace display is fine on sandybridge, stutters and doesn't update outside of an xtrace display
[09:08] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: nicer package version, and the current one isn't uploaded either
[09:22] <tjaalton> merge pushed
[09:23] <tjaalton> hmm, still no abi-compatible virtualbox release..
[09:24] <Sarvatt> OSE? theres a precompiled one on the virtualbox website
[09:25] <Sarvatt> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.4/VBoxGuestAdditions_4.0.5-Xorg110.iso
[09:25] <tjaalton> yeah, i was thinking of the situation in natty
[09:26] <Sarvatt> someone pointed out the commit needed in a bug report when we first did 1.10, guess that didnt get uploaded..?
[09:26] <tjaalton> hmm, i'll check the package
[09:27] <tjaalton> right, it's just been rebuilt to pick up new deps, so it's still broken
[09:27] <tjaalton> debfx: ^
[09:28] <Sarvatt> looks like the guest additions dont even compile atm
[09:29] <Sarvatt> /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox-ose-guest/4.0.4/build/include/iprt/assert.h:231:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[09:30] <tjaalton> heh
[09:31] <tjaalton> I'll try the latest source if it builds..
[09:32] <Sarvatt> http://www.virtualbox.org/changeset/36301
[09:33] <Sarvatt> http://www.virtualbox.org/changeset/36389
[09:33] <Sarvatt> http://www.virtualbox.org/changeset/36300
[09:33] <tjaalton> yuck
[09:33] <tjaalton> the first one is familiar looking..
[09:34] <Sarvatt> a bunch of header manipulation in later commits too so it compiles
[09:38] <tjaalton> guess I'll pass on building the beast :)
[09:46] <Sarvatt> portal 2 doesn't work in wine, bah! :)
[09:48] <tjaalton> hehe
[10:04] <lilstevie> Sarvatt: damn you
[10:06] <debfx> tjaalton: what is broken in virtualbox?
[10:06] <Sarvatt> lilstevie: it doesn't work with fglrx or nvidia either, looks like its a wine and/or portal 2 problem
[10:07] <lilstevie> Sarvatt: meh I have an ATi 5750
[10:07] <lilstevie> I however don't own portal 2
[10:07] <Sarvatt> yeah 5770 is what i tested it on first
[10:08] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26835
[10:08] <ubot4> bugs.winehq.org bug 26835 in -unknown "Portal 2 exits at menu screen." [Normal,New]
[10:08]  * Sarvatt is hoping for a miracle when he wakes up
[10:09] <tjaalton> debfx: guest additions don't work in natty
[10:09] <tjaalton> debfx: also, I'm filing a bug report that you probably should use OBSOLETE_BY in dkms.conf, to tell dkms not to build on kernels newer than what the vbox version supports
[10:09] <debfx> tjaalton: the ones from the additions iso image?
[10:09] <tjaalton> debfx: i don't know where they are from :)
[10:10] <tjaalton> but if they are not distributed by ubuntu, it's not something you can fix, right?
[10:11] <debfx> both is in ubuntu, the virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 package and virtualbox-guest-additions (the iso image)
[10:11] <debfx> I could update virtualbox-guest-additions to the 4.0.5 pre-release
[10:12] <lilstevie> Sarvatt: a miracle for me would be someone giving me portal2 :p
[10:12] <debfx> about OBSOLETE_BY: how do I know which kernel version will break the module? ;)
[10:12] <tjaalton> debfx: yeah that would be good I think. and as Sarvatt pointed out, current version in natty doesn't even build
[10:13] <tjaalton> debfx: just put the one that the distro version is shipped with, the user can override it
[10:13] <tjaalton> debfx: do you still need a bugreport for it?
[10:14] <tjaalton> so, for natty you'd put 'OBSOLETE_BY=2.6.39', unless you know it builds with it
[10:14] <debfx> a bug report would be good, yes
[10:14] <tjaalton> in which case 2.6.40 would be ok
[10:14] <tjaalton> alright, I'll finish it
[10:15] <debfx> Sarvatt: internal compiler error -> please report a bug against gcc :)
[10:17] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey :)
[10:17] <tjaalton> debfx: filed bug 765680
[10:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 765680 in virtualbox-ose (Ubuntu) "prevent building the dkms modules on kernels newer than is known to be supported (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765680
[10:17] <ricotz> Sarvatt, could you renew my xedgers membership?
[10:18] <debfx> tjaalton: thanks
[10:20]  * ricotz is having wifi problems and gets disconnected often
[10:34] <debfx> tjaalton: maybe you could sponsor my debdiff on bug #753370 ?
[10:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 753370 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "No Desktop Effects in Kubuntu 11.04 Beta1 (affects: 9) (dups: 2) (heat: 58)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753370
[10:35] <tjaalton> debfx: I can
[10:40] <debfx> cool, thanks!
[10:42] <tjaalton> debfx: uploaded
[12:33] <debfx> tjaalton: I'm not sure if adding OBSOLETE_BY is a good idea
[12:33] <debfx> I'd rather have something that displays a warning when the build fails with an unsupported kernel version
[12:34] <debfx> also dkms shouldn't fail package installations when a build fails
[12:35] <debfx> I should probably file a bug against dkms :)
[14:07] <tjaalton> debfx: think I tried that already :)
[14:08] <tjaalton> oh you found that
[14:09] <tjaalton> and i agree OBSOLETE_BY is a hack, but the best there is atm
[14:30] <tjaalton> xserver 1.10.1 uploaded
[15:39] <debfx> tjaalton: for oneiric dkms needs to stop generating apport bugs for unsupported kernels, otherwise I'll start redirecting them ;D
[15:40] <tjaalton> debfx: heh, sounds good
[15:40] <debfx> either by a kernel version variable or by detecting if the kernel is from the ubuntu archive
[15:56] <ScottK> RAOF: Did you all reach a conclusion on what to do about the GEM/Intel question?
[16:01] <tjaalton> ScottK: uploaded already
[16:01] <tjaalton> and accepted
[16:02] <ScottK> tjaalton: Excellent.  Thanks.
[17:27] <Sarvatt> ricotz: I extended your membership the day they emailed us, we had the same join date (but the years differed) so I'm expiring too :)
[17:28] <Sarvatt> but I can't extend my own membership even though i'm an admin
[17:29] <ricotz> Sarvatt, oh, thank you, actually i didnt looked at the team page and just relied on the email
[17:30] <ricotz> and there wasnt a "your membership was renewed" mail yet ;)
[20:39] <soreau> Sarvatt: ping: I was wondering if installing xorg-edgers on lucid will update the kernel as well
[20:41] <bryceh> soreau, no
[20:41] <soreau> bryceh: Ok thank you
[20:42] <bryceh> soreau, you can look at the package details of the ppa to see what gets installed
[20:47] <ScottK> My blur is back on KDE/Intel.  Thanks everyone.


[02:42] <andrews_> hello
[02:55] <rottingdead> Doesn't this system like 8 GiB and/or 1 TB Hard Drives? Installed fine in VirtualBox, but I go to install it on hard drive, all it does is freeze up while booting, any ideas?
[02:55] <rottingdead> 8 GiB RAM**
[03:04] <s1d> ae
[03:11] <cleary> hi
[03:12] <cleary> I'm hoping someone can give me a quick answer - in the kubuntu 12.10 livecd, there is a splash that hooks itself between the kdm login and the ksplash processes, where you can choose to install or try the live desktop
[03:12] <cleary> what package provides this/where can I find out how to hook in there too?
[03:16] <cleary> 250+ nicks and the channel is dead :(
[03:16] <cleary> why are you here?
[03:25] <cleary> looks like it's ubiquity-dm
[03:38] <npf> hello
[04:02] <SSE2_Jose_Ramire> Hi all, I've been trying to make vpn work from my KDE Plasma widget and after a couple of days struggling I got openconnect working fine, however I cannot connect to pptp vpns now... any ideas on what logs can I look at to see what is going on?
[04:12] <SSE2_Jose_Ramire> any ideas at all on what logs to check to diagnose a pptp vpn connection?
[04:50] <nohan> hola n___n
[05:07] <Creaky> every time i try to start mozilla thunderbird i get a black screen and have to imput my password and thunderbird is not usable when i log back in
[05:11] <Creaky> anyone here or can anyone hear me?
[08:16] <n8w|> how do i adjust a window title for a remote host? all it shows now is "~:bash"
[08:24] <stacky> not able to successfully upgrade to kubuntu 12.10 from 12.04
[08:24] <stacky> after up-gradation works fine for the first time reboot
[08:25] <stacky> but then all the subsequent reboots show nothing but a blank black screen after choosing kubuntu from boot loader in parallel to windows
[08:25] <stacky> can anyone help
[08:25] <stacky> ?
[08:25] <stacky> seems some problem with graphics in hp-dv6
[08:45] <novaisabadcat> I'm trying to compile ktorrent and make errors say "dtd/kdex.dtd" is missing...which it is.  Can anyone tell me why it's missing or how to go about getting it?  Seems related to somethign called docbook.
[09:03] <LloydOs> What is the default login for the live version of 12.10?
[09:10] <LloydOs> Can anyone help with login for KDE Plasma Workspace Live
[09:12] <sveinse> Hi. I'm experimenting with alternate text editors, and I'm  trying out kate. Can kate be configure to always indent the line to the correct indentation when I press TAB? Like emacs does. I just cant live without that
[09:14] <novaisabadcat> lloyd try ubuntu or kubuntu and no pass
[09:14] <novaisabadcat> though i dont think it should ask for one
[09:15] <LloydOs> I tried both kubuntu and ubuntu and neither works as user name...
[09:17] <LloydOs> I would have thought on the main page of user manual but not...
[09:18] <yofel> sveinse: kate does have some auto indentation support together with the syntax highlighting, see the Editing settings
[09:20] <sveinse> yofel: Yes. I've seens the indentation tab under editing. But there does not seem to be a TAB action which states "indent according to syntax highlight". Not sure though what "Default indentation mode" really is
[09:22] <yofel> hm, not sure if there is something. The editor is a bit vi-style, so going to a new line will auto-indent to the correct position, but TAB only shifts one indent level.
[09:22] <yofel> I don't use kate too much though so maybe it's doable after all
[09:23] <sveinse> yofel: OOI, what do you use?
[09:23] <yofel> VIM mostly
[09:24] <LloydOs> I have also tried the normal 'letmein' 'password' 'admin' and they will not me login either?
[09:25] <novaisabadcat> youre booting from a cd/dvd?
[09:25] <LloydOs> booting from USB iso
[09:28] <novaisabadcat> is it asking for an account in a pretty graphical way or does it lok like a terminal
[09:29] <LloydOs> It is the Plasma graphical mode...
[09:32] <novaisabadcat> do you have another computer you can try it on?
[09:35] <LloydOs> I do, although the one I am trying it on does install version 9.10 ok
[09:36] <novaisabadcat> just the live  boot doesnt work right?
[09:36] <novaisabadcat> from what i can see it shouldnt ask you, and in some cases when it does its bad media..bad burn..bad download
[09:37] <novaisabadcat> one post i found said it worked on one pc with no loging but prompted on another
[09:37] <LloydOs> ok, will try another download, also trying it on another pc, if I can get that to boot from USB...
[09:38] <novaisabadcat> i would try booting that usb drive on another pc or try burning the iso to a disc and booting
[09:40] <LloydOs> ok, will give that a go. Been trawling though the helppages and manuals and there is no mention of a default user name....Thanks
[09:41] <novaisabadcat> im going to live boot 12.10 in a virtual machine to see
[09:41] <LloydOs> Cool, let me know your findings
[09:42] <novaisabadcat> clicking on try kubuntu
[09:42] <novaisabadcat> went right to the desktop
[09:43] <novaisabadcat> ok im looking at users
[09:43] <novaisabadcat> i see a system user with real name" live session user", username: "kubuntu"
[09:44] <novaisabadcat> looks like it has no password
[09:46] <LloydOs> Mine gave the option of Persistent Mode, Live Mode, Install etc on start up, which one did you opt for?
[09:47] <novaisabadcat> persistent mode offers a small amount of persistent storage on a usb drive, live would boot without allowing anythign to be saved after shutting down
[09:47] <novaisabadcat> i booted from an iso file directly so it cant be persistent
[09:48] <novaisabadcat> did you do persistent?
[09:49] <LloydOs> oh, I see because it is a VM, just downloading fresh ISO now. I used Live last time
[09:50] <novaisabadcat> what did you create the usb installer with?
[09:51] <LloydOs> I used LinuxLive USB Creator 2.8.19
[09:55] <LloydOs> Maybe I should be using the LTS version instead of the DT although am using DT version 9.10 currently, it is an old P4 Shuttle PC
[09:56] <novaisabadcat> 12.10 seems pretty stable
[09:57] <novaisabadcat> are you trying to boot from a usb drive to try it out, install it, or are you hoping to make a portable os to carry around?
[09:58] <LloydOs> I am booting from USB to install on that machine. I use Knoppix as my portable OS on another USB...
[09:59] <novaisabadcat> how much ram does it have?  I did see one forum post about the username prompting that was resolved by adding more ram I think
[09:59] <novaisabadcat> more than 512?
[10:02] <LloydOs> it has 1024 - just trying it in another PC
[10:04] <LloydOs> Go to go being collected for the gym, can I msg u later?
[10:04] <novaisabadcat> ya
[10:06] <LloydOs> Chow
[10:27] <novaisabadcat> Can anyone make any sense of this error I got when running "make" to compile ktorrent: "index.docbook:7: warning: failed to load external entity "dtd/kdex.dtd""?
[10:33] <tsimpson> !find dtd/kdex.dtd | novaisabadcat
[10:34] <tsimpson> but it's clearly a warning, not an error
[10:36] <novaisabadcat> i have kdoctools installed but the file doesn't exist.  theres several more lines of errors starting with this one involving docbook.  It does fail in the end though
[10:36] <novaisabadcat> http://pastebin.com/up4ksB3H
[10:37] <purplerain> hai. after upgarding to KDE 4.10 in Precise, webcam video is flickering and i can
[10:37] <purplerain> hai. after upgarding to KDE 4.10 in Precise, webcam video is flickering and i can t open it with kamoso/kamerka only with cheese
[10:37] <purplerain> is this known issue??
[10:41] <tsimpson> novaisabadcat: it should be at /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/dtd/kdex.dtd
[10:42] <novaisabadcat> yeah i dont have a ksgmltools2 folder at all for some reason
[10:43] <novaisabadcat> i just booted a live iso and it has one
[10:45] <purplerain> Also im trying to get backported quantal kernel but i get this unmet dependencies error from kde packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567291/
[10:47] <novaisabadcat> I think I might have unknowingly let BleachBit delete "extra" language files..which might have included kdex.dtd
[10:50] <reshelle_> Здравствуйте, а есть здесь русскоязычные пользователи которые могли бы помочь
[10:53] <reshelle_> Здравствуйте, а есть здесь русскоязычные пользователи которые могли бы помочь
[10:54] <novaisabadcat> yeah  it appears it was bleachbit that removed the files (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bleachbit/+bug/1059260)
[11:06] <novaisabadcat> their suggestion is to reinstall kdelibs...i have kdelibs-bin, or some kdelibs5 packages...I'm not sure how to reinstall any of it without it removing what appears to be most of kde.
[11:10] <reshelle_> Помогите с установкой и настройкой Wine
[12:23] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[12:32] <novaisabadcat> hi
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:51] <dishantp> Hi, my machine is running KDE SC 4.10 on ubuntu, but due to broken packages, i am not able to install  all dependency packages  of kdelibs5.
[12:52] <dishantp> the version table still shows 4.8.5
[12:56] <novaisabadcat> yay i managed to compile ktorrent..that only took like 5 hours to figure out
[12:58] <novaisabadcat> still doesnt seem to use the proxy its supposed to be using : |
[12:59] <BluesKaj> no need to compile ktorrent , it's in the repos
[12:59] <johnflux_> novaisabadcat: apt-get source ktorrent ; apt-get build-dep ktorrent ; dpkg-deb --build ktorrent   ?
[13:00] <johnflux_> BluesKaj: sounds like he wanted custom compile flags
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> I thought he wanted to change something to it
[13:00] <novaisabadcat> i wanted to try 4.3.1.  I didnt see it in the repos
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> or make a patch or something
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> novaisabadcat: how is it?
[13:01] <novaisabadcat> no nothing that sophisticated
[13:01] <dishantp> Hi, my machine is running KDE SC 4.10 on ubuntu, but due to broken packages, i am not able to install  all dependency packages  of kdelibs5.
[13:01] <novaisabadcat> seems to work, it gives me an error on launch about not being able to do somethign with tor..which i dont use
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> dishantp: please do not double post
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> wait for someone to answer your question
[13:02] <dishantp> sorry, i will be patient.
[13:02] <novaisabadcat> it tells me "Unable to create /home/nova/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/tor0/torrent: Permission denied" at startup...I hit OK and torrents still seem to download.
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> dishantp: have you tried: sudo apt-get install -f ?
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> novaisabadcat: check permissions
[13:03] <dishantp> yes, i tried apt-get -f install
[13:03] <dishantp> then i tried dpkg --clear-avail
[13:05] <novaisabadcat> owner of that file is the user nova..which sounds right
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> novaisabadcat: what about the parent folders?
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> directories*
[13:11] <novaisabadcat> i tried "sudo chown -R nova:nova /home/nova/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/"
[13:11] <novaisabadcat> still get an error
[13:14] <novaisabadcat> scratch that...ktorrent seems happier when starting now...thank you ovidiu
[13:15] <BluesKaj> dishantp, try sudo dpkg --configure -a , and pastebin th output, if any
[13:18] <dishantp> BluesKaj : well, i did it again today also trying to solve on my own. however,no output.
[13:19] <dishantp> BluesKaj : dpkg --clear-avail also shows no output
[13:20] <BluesKaj> ok , try update and dist-upgrade again
[13:23] <dishantp> BluesKaj : was updating before you told me to,so now i have executed both update and dist-upgrade
[13:24] <ovidiu-florin> novaisabadcat: you're wellcome
[13:25] <novaisabadcat> still giving me trouble actually..no more error on startup but it forgets my torrents each time i start it
[13:26] <BluesKaj> dishantp, when upgrading to a new desktop or a new version , one should always update and upgrade first then add the ppa if necessary
[13:33] <dishantp> BluesKaj : Duly noted. :) so,should i  go for kdelibs5 installation?
[13:38] <novaisabadcat> fixed it ovidiu...seems like it was permissions or ownership issue.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> dishantp, you can try
[13:57] <novaisabadcat> does anyone here sucessfully use a proxy with ktorrent?
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> novaisabadcat: why not use a system wide proxy?
[14:00] <novaisabadcat> im not sure that woudl work with btguard
[14:06] <dishantp> BluesKaj, if only i could provide you an error log, you could understand the problem more clearly, because it's not working.
[14:06] <novaisabadcat> the socks proxy setting in system settings/network settings doesnt say anything about an account/password
[14:07] <BluesKaj> look in /var/log/syslog for errors , dishantp
[14:07] <dishantp> Also, is doing apt-get autoremove preferred anytime?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> and autoclean , after upgrades, dishantp
[14:18] <dishantp> BluesKaj, can i get your blog link,if you write?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> dishantp, i don't blog anymore '
[14:55] <swex> anybody
[14:55] <swex> help me please
[14:55] <swex> mu kubuntu can't talk to /sys/class/backlight/nvidia_backlight/ interfae
[14:55] <swex> interface
[14:56] <swex> if I echo int > /sys/class/backlight/nvidia_backlight/brightness by hands everything works, but KDE ignoring key press events
[15:12] <lordievader> swex: You could do a work around, make a script that does all that and call the script with the keyboard shortcuts.
[16:15] <MichaelP> Any idea's why pulseaudio EQ screws with system volume?  everytime i change setting on pulse eq i have to trun pc volume back up !!
[17:17] <qw> hello all
[17:17] <qw> help me pleae
[17:17] <qw> please*
[17:18] <qw> i woul like install irc client from my phone Samsung Galaxy Pocket DUOS
[17:18] <qw> would*
[17:39] <LloydOs> Tried Kubuntu 12.10 on 2 PC from USB & DVD will not install
[17:49]  * roggan tries an alias
[18:09] <murthy> hello everyone
[18:13] <Roger32> hello
[18:13] <Roger32> any computer genius here?
[18:13] <Roger32> my computer is under attack
[18:13] <Roger32> and i need help
[18:14] <Roger32> please help
[18:14] <grisutheguru> how do you recognise the attack?
[18:15] <Roger32> my firewall say its poisen dns attack
[18:15] <Roger32> 23 attacks in 3 seconds, thats not good...
[18:15] <Roger32> im afraid :(
[18:16] <grisutheguru> and why is that an attack?
[18:16] <Roger32> the firewall say so
[18:16] <Roger32> he call it "poisen dns attack"
[18:17] <Roger32> and if you use your brain for 1 second, you know poisen kills humans
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Roger32, show us the FW under attack message in pastebin
[18:18] <Roger32> screencapture?
[18:19] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[18:19] <Roger32> theni have to wait for a new attack i guess
[18:20] <Roger32> the strange thing is that i serched the ip adr that the attack came from, and it was my routers adress.
[18:22] <Roger32> while i wait for an attack,is there something else i can do ?
[18:22] <Roger32> other options we can try ?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> Roger32, is it a router provided by your ISP? If so then they could be surveying for usage and installing new firmware
[18:23] <Roger32> it's a router i got my self, not from the isp.
[18:23] <BluesKaj> do you have your wifi turned on ?
[18:23] <genii-around> It doesn't have to be some external attack, just misconfigured DNS/routes or so
[18:23] <Roger32> i do use wireless ipad, ps3 and xbox360
[18:23] <Roger32> so it must be on
[18:24] <BluesKaj> somebody could be trying to piggyback on your wifi and they were trying passwords to get in ...I've had that happen here
[18:25] <Roger32> it's possible
[18:25] <Roger32> since the neighbour kids have gotten alot of complaints from me
[18:27] <Roger32> i use wire on my pc
[18:27] <Roger32> from the router
[18:27] <Roger32> wireless is for gaming and ipad
[18:30] <Roger32> the thing is that only the payed version of my security system shows this attack
[18:30] <Roger32> it never happend when i use microsoft internet security
[18:38] <BluesKaj> maybe MS secuity doesn't see it and the FW just bounces it
[18:40] <BluesKaj> or there was no "instance" while you were on windows
[18:40] <Roger32> maybe
[18:40] <Roger32> there has been none attack so far,
[18:41] <Roger32> not sure when it will happan again
[18:41] <Roger32> so i cant give you a screenshoot
[18:41] <Roger32> but ESET security is what i use
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> Gotta go. See you soon. ;)
[18:41] <supermagnum357_> Hello, does anyone know what type of interface i should point jackd to ?
[18:42] <supermagnum357_> i have tried /dev/snd , but that does not work.
[18:45] <BluesKaj> supermagnum357_, the ppl at #jack chatroom/support will have more knowledge than we do
[18:45] <supermagnum357_> ok. i will try there
[19:09] <swex> lordievader: r u here?
[19:09] <swex> anybody... how to debug powerdevil events?
[19:09] <lordievader> Hey swex, yes I am here.
[19:10] <swex> lordievader: about backlight bug
[19:10] <lordievader> swex: Remind me please, I know vaguely...
[19:11] <swex> my laptop doesn't react to backlight buttons
[19:11] <swex> lordievader: but echo int > /sys/class/backlight/.../brightness is ok
[19:11] <ed874564555> hi I just I just downloaded some updates and one of them are nvida optimus support using the proprietary nvidia driver, does that mean that optimus is officialy supported or what?
[19:12] <lordievader> swex: Ah yes, from earlier, right?
[19:12] <swex> lordievader: yep
[19:12] <lordievader> swex: Ah ok, thanks. Did you find a solution?
[19:13] <swex> No I didn't I can create script but don't know how to do it right.. I mean how to echo by root from userspace?
[19:15] <lordievader> swex: Ah right, you need sudo for that... Well you can do some really dirty stuff... In the sudoers file you can specify commands that do not require the sudo password...
[19:15] <swex> lordievader: yep thats dirty
[19:15] <swex> lordievader: for now I'm trying to find way to debug powerdevil
[19:16] <swex> but I can't find any documentation about that...
[19:16] <swex> I even can't find appropriate ticket in bugs.kde.org
[19:16] <lordievader> swex: Does kde recognize the key-combo?
[19:17] <lordievader> swex: If it doesn exist yet be sure to make one!
[19:17] <swex> lordievader: I think...so
[19:17] <swex> lordievader: I used xev to check input
[19:17] <lordievader> swex: In the keyboard shortcuts of the systemsettings you can assign things to the keyboard shortcut?
[19:18] <swex> of course
[19:18] <sorbiq> hi all
[19:19] <lordievader> swex: Ok, so that ain't broken ;)
[19:20] <lordievader> swex: And the Screen Brightness shortcuts are also enabled within the Global Keyboard Shortcuts section (Under KDE Daemon)
[19:21] <swex> lordievader: yes...
[19:21] <sorbiq> i have 2 problems with kubuntu:
[19:21] <sorbiq> 1. my pc is connected to tv 40' and my cursor looks to big on my laptop screen any way to fix it?
[19:21] <sorbiq> 2. nepomuk crashes every time i reboot my pc
[19:21] <sorbiq> Kubuntu is in version 12.04LTS and kde is 4.10 any idea how to fix it?
[19:21] <FloodBotK1> sorbiq: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:22] <swex> lordievader: but pressing doesn't give anything
[19:25] <lordievader> sorbiq: Take a look at the resolution dependent mouse size (systemsettings -> Workspace Appearance -> Cursor Theme), nepomuk is quite broken in 4.10 crashes for a lot of people... Quite a number of bug reports about that one. You can disable nepomuk, this will stop it from crashing ;)
[19:25] <Roger32> where can i downlod music
[19:26] <sorbiq> lordievader: my resolution for cursor is fixed to 24 , how can i disable nepomuk ?
[19:27] <lordievader> sorbiq: Under Desktop Search, untick Enable Nepomuk.
[19:28] <lordievader> swex: I'm wondering does the slider under the Power Settings still work?
[19:28] <sorbiq> lordievader: done, and what about that cursor, do you have any idea, what to do?
[19:29] <sorbiq> lordievader: it looks in some part of desktop normal and in others is big
[19:29] <lordievader> sorbiq: Is a different cursor theme smaller? I had it jump up in size too earlier today, don't really know why...
[19:31] <sorbiq> lordievader: when i'm trying to use i.e nadheld theme then cursor is normal size i mean 12 but in some part of screen it's switching magicaly to big oxygen theme have no idea why ?
[19:32] <sorbiq> lordievader: *handheld
[19:32] <Roger32> you cant serch for music downloads in windows
[19:32] <Roger32> wtf is wrogn with you
[19:33] <Roger32> you want some of this bitch ?
[19:34] <IdleOne> !language | Roger32
[19:34] <lordievader> Roger32: Can you watch your language, this is a family friendly channel.
[19:34] <BluesKaj> Roger32, enough
[19:35] <lordievader> sorbiq: Hehehe, I'm experiencing the same thing was hoping a reboot would fix it, haven't rebooted yet though. Did you try rebooting?
[19:37] <sorbiq> lordievader: yep several times, no change, i've saw a bug report with this issue, but no workaround, so i thought maybe here
[19:38] <sorbiq> lordievader: oh at least my xbmc is working on second screen without issue :)
[19:39] <sorbiq> lordievader: thx for advice with nepomuk and cya :)
[19:41] <Roger32> i am a family friendly man
[19:41] <Roger32> i love kids
[19:41] <lordievader> Ahh, why did you leave, I think I have found the issue.
[19:41] <Roger32> love to do kids
[19:41] <Roger32> in there bed
[19:42] <Roger32> im bed im bad
[19:42] <Roger32> hihi
[19:42] <lordievader> Good he left, not the kind of people we want around here :(
[19:49] <swex> lordievader: no slider is not working too
[19:50] <swex> lordievader: thats why I need to debug powerdevil behavior...
[19:50] <lordievader> swex: What kind of graphics card do you have? I once had my brightness keys not working fixed it by installing the closed-source driver.
[20:14] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[20:58] <rosco_y> my Amarok keeps crashing, can anyone recommend an audio player alternative?
[21:00] <rosco_y> I've installed the virtualbox guest-additions in my Windows Virtual Machine, do I need to isntall a guest-additions in kubuntu too, so that I can share files?
[21:01] <lordievader> rosco_y: Try Clementine, it's a amarok 1.4 fork :)
[21:02] <BluesKaj> clementine is a nice player , easy and simpole
[21:03] <BluesKaj> simple
[21:22] <rosco_y> lordievader: ty :)  --I've figured out the file sharing thing with VirtualBox ^^takes a bow^^ "Please, just throw monoey" ^^
[21:23] <lordievader> rosco_y: Good to hear :)
[21:36] <rosco_y> lordievader: I'm fine with Clementine so far--thanks for the suggestions!
[22:05] <Quest> hibernate button is not visible on my menu. i have installed hibernate package though
[22:05] <Quest> any solution?
[22:07] <Quest> hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found.
[22:52] <AciD`> hey
[22:52] <AciD`> in an how to, I have to put some special configuration into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, but this folder doesn't exist. Is it ok to create it or is that deprecated with the newer version of xorg ?
[23:52] <k4tZz> I have a backup saved from backintime
[23:53] <k4tZz> I tar.gz'd the home dir
[23:53] <k4tZz> should I just extract it into the new home dir that I have on my fresh install?
[23:53] <k4tZz> I feel like I'm lacking etiquette or proper procedures.


[19:19] <blackboxsw> tiaz: so, cloud-config.service and cloud-final.service both look enabled in general and not run yet. I'd expect cloud-config.sevice to be blocking on some service in your environment that is still running. `systemctl` would should show State: initializing and `systemd-analyze` would report "Boot is not yet finished". your systemctl list-jobs (non cloud-init related) should tell us more about any active/running services.
[19:20] <blackboxsw> cloud-config.service waits on completion of a number of other systemd units. You can list those ordering dependencies  with: systemctl show cloud-config.service -p After
[19:20] <blackboxsw> if any of those services are still not yet running, that's what would be blocking cloud-init boot stages from progressing.
[19:47] <tiaz> blackboxsw: thanks! it looks like this might be an lxd snap bug, I'll dig into this further