[00:16] <cjwatson> Laney: is anyone working on nemerle?  last thing that build-depends on libmono-dev and so the last thing holding libmono-dev and libmono0 in oneiric ...
[08:25] <Quintasan> Good morning
[08:44] <bambee> bdrung: well, after some tests... parallel builing works when I build the package from source by hand (ie unpack && cmake && make -jN) , it does not work with dpkg-buildpackage... :\
[10:31] <Laney> cjwatson: no, it has been broken by mono for ages. I guess we should remove the binaries.
[11:24] <cjwatson> Laney: the binaries are already gone.  I suppose we could ignore that build-dependency and remove libmono-dev anyway, if you don't want to remove the source
[11:24] <Laney> we occasionally tussle with upstream about it
[11:24] <Laney> so yeah, I'd ignore it for those purposes. The next upload will have to get rid of it anwyay.
[11:25] <cjwatson> OK, removed, thanks
[11:26] <Laney> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689533 for example
[11:27] <bradm> nice error with oneiric, "gnome-session[4124]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry...."
[14:04] <bdrung> tumbleweed: around?
[14:04] <tumbleweed> bdrung: only just (global jamming, so I'm running around a lot trying to help people fix FTBFSs)
[14:05] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i would like to release u-d-t 0.129
[14:05]  * tumbleweed seems to remember something I had to do
[14:05] <bdrung> tumbleweed: so the question: what is with your branch and bug #838361?
[14:05] <tumbleweed> that one, yes
[14:06] <tumbleweed> that won't be specific to any branch of mine, it'll have been a problem, as soon as we added fakesync checking in cjwatson's branch
[14:07] <tumbleweed> easy answer is chdir to /tmp somewhere, but that's obviously not right
[14:09] <tumbleweed> yeah, fixing that properly is probably a bigger job than I have time for this after
[14:10] <QMR> Why is empathy default IM client?
[14:11] <bdrung> tumbleweed: and this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/syncpackage-close-bugs/+merge/72766 ?
[14:14] <bdrung> you failed, ubottu
[14:16] <bdrung> tumbleweed: should i release 0.129 or wait for your changes?
[14:33] <tumbleweed> bdrung: yeah I wouldn't want to merge that until I knew how launchpad was going to handle the bug closing
[14:34] <tumbleweed> I suppose I could tame it to not parse changelogs, only close bugs provided on the command line
[14:34] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes, closing bug provided on the command line should be enough
[17:02] <ScottK> doko_: Would you please retry guiqwt in the archive rebuild.  It should build now.
[17:03] <ScottK> bdrung and tumbleweed: Except aren't LP bugs from debian/changelog currently closed on sync?  If I understand what you're discussing, that sounds like a regression.
[17:08] <tumbleweed> ScottK: it is indeed a regression, but it'll be fixed RSN
[17:08] <ScottK> OK.
[17:08] <tumbleweed> we thought we were going to have to fix it client side, but launchpad is moving faster than we thought
[19:38] <shnatsel> cjwatson: thanks for fixing the Germinate bug so swiftly!
[19:40] <shnatsel> cjwatson: also, I've written two simple scripts that ease maintenance of Germinate lists in simple cases: https://code.launchpad.net/~shnatsel/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntu-meta/tools (I'm pretty sure I'm not the first one to do it, but I couldn't find any)
[20:16] <dupondje> what app exactly takes care of backlight ?
[20:16] <dupondje> seems to be some bug in it :)
[20:27] <bdrung> tumbleweed: there are typos in there which i will fix when merging it :)
[20:28] <tumbleweed> sorry :)
[20:28] <bdrung> np
[20:31] <dupondje> anyone ? :D
[20:34] <tumbleweed> dupondje: it's also irritating me, I haven't looked for bugs yet. I'm guessing gnome-power-manager / upower / gnome-screensaver is to blame
[20:34] <cjwatson> shnatsel: um, I think you have it backwards - the files in ubuntu-meta are *output* files produced by germinate-update-metapackage
[20:35] <cjwatson> shnatsel: they're changed by changing the seeds and then running the ./update script in ubuntu-meta
[20:35] <shnatsel> cjwatson: cool. What's the input then? XD
[20:35] <cjwatson> seeds, see 'man germinate'
[20:35] <dupondje> tumbleweed: what issue do you have exactly ?
[20:35] <cjwatson> lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/seeds/platform.oneiric lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/seeds/ubuntu.oneiric etc.
[20:36] <tumbleweed> dupondje: backlight goes off before the screensaver starts, can't turn it on until I've logged in again
[20:36] <shnatsel> cjwatson: lol. Thanks for clarification! Dropping the branch.
[20:37] <cjwatson> you're welcome
[20:37] <bdrung> tumbleweed: syncpackage bug closing works. tested with ubuntu-dev-tools ;)
[20:37] <tumbleweed> heh, thanks
[20:38] <dupondje> tumbleweed: other issue here. When I set backlight very low, it goes higher (clearer) with inactivity
[20:38] <cjwatson> shnatsel: erm, seeds -> ubuntu-seeds in the above branches
[20:39] <tumbleweed> dupondje: that's been an issue for ages (again, no idea about filed bugs)
[20:39] <dupondje> first time I notice it ... weird :
[20:40] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/221475
[20:40] <dupondje> god ... :D
[20:41] <bdrung> tumbleweed: should i wait for bug #838361 or can i do the upload?
[20:41] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I'm currently quickly hacking on the harvest thing
[20:41] <bdrung> k
[20:41] <tumbleweed> and I think the UnicodeDecodeError thing in submittodebian is worth doing
[20:42] <bdrung> k, do that
[20:49] <YokoZar> Is vmware easy-install a supported case or is that vmware's proble
[20:49] <YokoZar> *problem?
[21:06] <dupondje> tumbleweed: ok fixed my bug :D
[23:41] <tumbleweed> bdrung, cjwatson: +localpackagediffs thinks libsdl-sound1.2 is blacklisted, any idea why?


[00:01] <m0nkey_> Anyone tinkered with LXC?
[00:01] <m0nkey_> I want to limit the amount of swap space a container can use
[00:01] <m0nkey_> I got it limiting the RAM
[00:24] <m0nkey_> nvm, figured it out. it was a kernel boot parameter
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:27] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SuperMatt, morning
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:10] <davmor2> hey brobostigon how's life?
[09:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> brobostigon, hi purple blob :d
[09:11] <brobostigon> davmor2: good really, and you?
[09:11] <brobostigon> SebthreeBQM10HD: hi yellow blob.
[09:11] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: how do
[09:12] <davmor2> brobostigon: good thanks
[09:12] <brobostigon> davmor2: :)
[09:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> brobostigon, hi pink thing :d
[09:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, hows ubuntu touch anything interesting going on? nope?
[09:21] <davmor2> if by touch you mean personal then there are lots of important things happening moving over to snap and over coming confinement issues there, getting desktop ready and lots of other stuff
[09:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, yeah ok snaps, but what else? unity etc?
[09:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> touch is stand still whilst waiting
[09:25] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: no that is it, it is getting desktop parity and snapified
[09:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, desktop parity what does that really mean ?
[09:34]  * TwistedLucidity misread davmor2's comment as "personal touching" and thought he was in the wrong channel for a moment....
[09:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, just the d esktop and mobile being more in sync same thing ?
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Single Parents' Day! 😃
[09:35] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: it means than in order for unity8 to replace unity7 it needs to be on par with unity7 which it currently isn't
[09:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, ah yeah you mean support most of the smae features etc, yeah yeah
[09:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, so unity 8 preview in 11.04 what's that like?  the desktop 16.10 didn't have much by default
[09:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I mean by default
[09:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whats the 11.04 one like ?
[09:38] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: well 11.04 is quite old and never likely to get unity8, 17.04 however is much better than previous releases but still not quite there yet
[09:38] <davmor2> but should be in much better shape :)
[09:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, oh I put 11.04 by mistake, yes I meant 17.04
[10:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:09] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo
[10:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: how are you man?
[10:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: Good ta, you?
[10:27] <MooDoo> yeah good thanks mate
[10:32] <popey> morning slackers
[10:33] <MooDoo> morning popey
[10:36] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Promoting another distro? SPLITTER!
[10:38] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: no popey is right, I'm not doing any work ;)
[10:39] <popey> promoting another web based chat client :)
[10:40] <davmor2> popey: no you'd of gone with rocket.chat if you were doing that
[10:40] <davmor2> Morning popey 'ow am ya?
[10:47] <popey> i never use rocketchat
[10:47] <popey> people I talk to are all on slack
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: shame on you especially with snapcraft being so active on rocket.ubuntu.com
[10:53] <popey> don't blame me, it's the people I talk to
[10:53] <popey> they chose it, not me
[10:57] <TwistedLucidity> Could be worse, you could be using "Skype for Business"
[10:57]  * TwistedLucidity starts to sob
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> there does seem to be a bit of a drive on for a dumber worse way to do irc now
[11:04] <Laney> can haz android nougat
[11:24] <TwistedLucidity> IRC doesn't intergrate with Outlook Calendar. Doesn't do video conferences. Is therefore clearly unsuable.
[12:00] <m0nkey_> I feel your pain. Skype for Business is terrible.
[12:02] <directhex> so
[12:02] <directhex> as a microsoft employee
[12:02] <directhex> i want to apologise for s4b
[12:02] <directhex> which is a dumpster fire
[12:03] <directhex> okay, not really, for many people. but it's not something i enjoy using.
[12:07] <davmor2> directhex: hahahaha
[12:52] <m0nkey_> directhex: Since you claim to work for MS, can you please ask the guys in charge to allow us to choose if and when we get updates in 10? :)
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> don't you just change the network connection to metered to stop 90% of the updates?
[12:53] <daftykins> you can already control that if you can learn to drive an OS
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> or has that already changed?
[12:53] <directhex> not my department
[12:53] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: yep that's changing in the build coming in April :D
[12:53] <daftykins> apparently it will now suck down 'critical' updates regardless of metered status...
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> and that's why i use linux... learn the commands once in the 70s for unix and stick with them... :-P
[12:54] <daftykins> think you're wrong there, they're constantly changing and the inconsistency is what makes Linux a bit of a joke
[12:54] <m0nkey_> zmoylan-pi: I'd be using Ubuntu full time today, if there was full support for SteamVR.
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> hands out the obsolete java manuals for rampaging mob to chuck at daftykins :-P
[12:55] <daftykins> :D
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> and no one is throw one at daftykins until i blow this whistle even and i want to make it absolutely clear, even if daftykins says microsoft
[12:57] <directhex> yes! hurl projectiles at the microsoft fan!
[12:57] <daftykins> i'm no MS fan, just unlike most folks in here i see the bs from all the OSs
[12:57]  * zmoylan-pi listens to the thundering of manuals bouncing off directhex....
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> stop it stop it stop it
[12:57] <daftykins> and am honest about it :)
[12:59] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: did you run the targeting systems from your Pi again!?
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> no, it's busy calcualting pi... #irony
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> it's pi all the way down...
[13:09] <m0nkey_> I'll write my own OS, with Blackjack and Hookers!
[13:09] <daftykins> :D
[13:09] <m0nkey_> Eh, forget the whole thing.
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> i'm very curious to see what swatch do for an os
[13:10] <daftykins> are they aiming to make some of these silly smart watches?
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> either completely terrible or fantastically swiss...
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[13:10] <daftykins> blech :P
[13:11] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/kDzR9nBTpTz
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> they've faced disaster before when the digital watch came around and reinvented themselves very well
[13:11] <daftykins> cor i'm not sure i can cope with the potential distance from my house to these apartments whilst i'm moved out for the insurance work...
[13:14] <daftykins> 118 foot climb on the bike perhaps :>
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> tis the 21st century... get a hover board... :-P
[13:16] <daftykins> i could but it'd burn the whole island down
[13:16] <daftykins> plus just think what it would do to my street cred!
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> would keep you warm till spring kicks in...
[13:18] <daftykins> the sun appears to be out and beaming here on the rock today!
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> was like that here yesterday too... we still had a weather warning for snow and cold...
[13:19] <daftykins> hrmm on checking the forecast it's barely nudging into 2 digits temp wise
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> 3c outside allegedly... https://isitraining.in/dublin
[13:22] <zmoylan-pi> feels warmer...
[13:34] <lopta> Oooh, I wonder whether they have a page for Ystrad Mynach
[13:35] <zmoylan-pi> https://isitraining.in/Ystrad
[13:39] <lopta> It gets FlatHolm wrong, puts me in the Aland Islands.
[13:39] <lopta> That's a neat idea though.
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> that and a page for nearest bus stops on a nice screen on a wall constantly updating would be handy as you leave the house
[13:40] <daftykins> :>
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> but obviously converted to green text scrolling on black background because you have standards... :-P
[13:46] <lopta> Nice. http://isitraining.in/Skuvoy
[13:49] <zmoylan-pi> i always keep an eye on... https://isitraining.in/oymyakon
[13:50] <lopta> -27C is a bit nippy.
[13:50] <zmoylan-pi> that means spring has arrived... it gets much much colder than that in winter
[13:51]  * lopta makes a note never to move there.
[13:51] <zmoylan-pi> great place for a server farm...
[13:51] <zmoylan-pi> or bitcoin mining
[13:52] <zmoylan-pi> but when summer arrives it will be hotter than dublin...
[13:52] <foobarry> if i have french doors that lock in the middle, are they central rail key operated lock or door with multi-point locking e.g. UPVC door
[13:53] <foobarry> i mean they are the latter, but don't know if they are also the former
[13:53] <daftykins> what's the context of that query? you kinda dropped us in it...
[13:54] <m0nkey_> Yeah, that's not a Linuxy question.
[13:54] <foobarry> getting house insurance
[13:54] <m0nkey_> :)
[13:54] <foobarry> i think its not a central rail lock
[13:54] <foobarry> that sounds like sliding patio doors
[13:55] <foobarry> burglars just smashed the glass in the patio doors the other day in the beieghbours house :|
[13:55] <foobarry> one way to do it i guess
[13:55] <daftykins> oof
[13:55] <foobarry> just nicked passports and money
[13:55] <foobarry> and jewellery
[13:56] <foobarry> wow, new price £102
[13:56] <foobarry> pretty good
[13:57] <foobarry> barclays want 279
[13:57] <daftykins> that's your full home insurance? D:
[13:57] <foobarry> buildings and contents
[13:57] <daftykins> mines about £400
[13:57] <foobarry> yeah, wonder whats happened
[13:57] <foobarry> mine used to be £400
[13:58] <foobarry> i think i misunderstood definition of mortice lock once and i got penalised with a high figure
[13:58] <foobarry> because i said i didn't have one. but they are chubb locks
[14:01] <foobarry> Home Emergency Cover
[14:01] <foobarry> Add annually £57.20 / monthly (12 x £4.77 excluding interest)
[14:01] <foobarry> Cover for emergencies such as a central heating breakdown or a broken front-door lock.
[14:01] <foobarry> sounds a lot of money
[14:04] <davmor2> foobarry: look up the cost of a boiler and figure out how long you would have to pay that before it totalled the cost of the boiler and then figure out if it is worth it :)
[14:05] <foobarry> i don't think it covers boiler maintenance
[14:05] <foobarry> would have to read small print
[14:05] <davmor2> foobarry: no but it covers breakdown if the boiler needs replacing it should cover that
[14:05] <foobarry> and the consequence of making a claim...
[14:12] <daftykins> maintenance != emergency callouts
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> unless you're on super top tier maintenance plan... ker-ching
[14:43] <diddledan> morning
[15:01] <diddledan> 21 Mar 17 9:15 PM - Clearance processing complete - HONG KONG,HONG KONG
[15:01] <diddledan> it's gonna go on a boat next, maybe plane
[15:02] <daftykins> then to the centre of the earth!
[15:02] <diddledan> :-o
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't china now have a train that goes all the way to uk?
[15:02] <daftykins> surely that's not your NICs from New Jersey? :>
[15:02] <diddledan> no, I'm not getting updates for the nics
[15:02] <diddledan> this is the transceivers
[15:04] <daftykins> ah
[15:04]  * diddledan makes a point of mentioning that he spelt that correctly this time :-p
[15:04] <daftykins> i noticed!
[15:07] <zmoylan-pi> who are you and what did you do with the real diddledan?! :-)
[15:12] <diddledan> aha, my network cards: Tuesday, 21. Mar. 2017 1:49 AM	Erlanger , Kentucky	Customs Documentation and Labeling
[15:13] <diddledan> so far they've gone New Jersey -> Ohio -> Kentucky
[15:18] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't the nsa have a place in new jersey... :-P
[15:19] <daftykins> diddledan: what're all the toys of benefit for then, sounds like the beginnings of a DIY vmware lab setup or some such?
[15:19] <daftykins> you starting hosting from home? :D
[15:19] <diddledan> yup, vmware
[15:28] <gregoryfenton> Hi there. I have a Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS dedicated server with OVH that allows multiple IP addresses, each with an associated MAC address. I can't find the correct mantra to get more than one IP address at a time working - as soon as I activate one the others stop being accessible from the outside world.
[15:29] <daftykins> talk to OVH - it may be specific to their setup
[15:29] <daftykins> standard rules do not apply when it's a hosting setup, given it's in their domain
[15:29] <daftykins> the other way to look at it is that folks in here are not getting paid to assist, whilst your provider is :)
[15:30] <gregoryfenton> The problem isn't OVH, it's me figuring out what I need to put in /etc/network/interfaces to allow multiple mac addresses
[15:31] <daftykins> right, and you pay them for a service
[15:31] <daftykins> so call up / raise a ticket / something :)
[15:41] <diplo> http://help.ovh.co.uk/ConfigureAdditionlIP
[16:00] <lopta> hello pavlushka
[16:00] <pavlushka> Hello lopta
[16:03] <pavlushka> lopta: how can I help you , Sir?
[16:05] <daftykins> i think it was just the greeting
[16:05] <lopta> pavlushka: I don't know. Are you any good at car repairs? ;-)
[16:05] <pavlushka> daftykins: ok, then :)
[16:06] <pavlushka> lopta: I can watch repairing attentively for sure, will that help?
[16:07]  * lopta grins
[16:26] <diddledan> transceivers: 21 Mar 17 4:10 PM - Customs status updated - LONDON-HEATHROW,UNITED KINGDOM
[16:26] <daftykins> ooh
[16:35] <diddledan> nics are in the air: Tuesday, 21. Mar. 2017 4:04 PM	Erlanger , Kentucky	Shipped from the Global Shipping Center to International Destination
[19:34] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/843789570084917249
[19:35] <diddledan> ^ brexit gets underway
[19:37]  * zmoylan-pi starts the number crunching to build a potato cannon that can send emergency potatos to britain post brexit...
[19:37] <diddledan> omg, I forgot that Ireland will be unable to sell us their spuds!
[19:38] <diddledan> or at the very least the prices will go up
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> the spudinator 3000 will sort that...
[19:38] <diddledan> we'll have to pay import duty
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> ship homing pigeons to uk, release pigeon with valuables and lat long attached... wait...
[19:40] <diddledan> how accurate is it? I mean can we use it to quietly assassinate people like Nigel Farage?
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> well like the v2 it probably can just about hit a city... unless we grow mutant perfectly oval spuds with fins for stablising spin...
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> or we can cheat and just grow the spuds in molds like the square watermelons they have in japan...
[19:41] <diddledan> or the bonsaikittens?
[19:42] <diddledan> do not google that. it's bad.
[19:42] <BassSultan> test
[19:42] <BassSultan> hi :)
[19:42] <diddledan> fail
[19:43] <BassSultan> oh ok, then i better go and reinstall :S
[19:43] <BassSultan> thx
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: bonsai kittens were cool, back in the old days
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> so many outraged people
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> (so many people pointed at the FAQ)
[20:22] <diddledan> "Enterprise companies must deliver exceptional experiences at scale or risk losing customers to competitors" <-- when does a business become an enterprise business?
[20:24] <diddledan> e.g. what constitutes "enterprise" vs every other company?
[20:24] <zmoylan-pi> they run them for their personal starships... :-P
[20:25] <diddledan> what is the defining characteristic of an enterprise?
[20:25] <diddledan> how do I know, e.g., if I'm talking to an enterprise or a boring run-of-the-mill business?
[20:30] <zmoylan-pi> they'll be wearing a better suit that you are :-)
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> I propose a rule: if you want to call your software "Enterprise", it should be useful on the starship
[20:47]  * zmoylan-pi writes software to make monitors explode... :-P
[22:12] <Azelphur> well, things are working well, trying to expand my raid array, added the new drive and ran grow, mdstat says speed=0K/sec and it'll finish in 175 billion minutes.
[22:31] <diddledan> \o/
[22:32] <diddledan> 175 billion minutes. that's one or two years
[22:32] <Azelphur> for bonus points, I googled for a solution and found http://serverfault.com/questions/833557/software-raid5-reshape-at-0k-sec-after-attempting-to-grow
[22:32] <Azelphur> ran that, machine instantly crashed.
[22:33] <diddledan> 332,952 years
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> make sure your head floating in a jar quiet life of dignity connects to usb port as a keyboard :-P
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> though by then ps/2 ports will have taken over again...
[22:35] <diddledan> Azelphur: is the raid array still intact after the crash?
[22:36] <Azelphur> diddledan: I dunno, I have been leaving the machine and seeing if it comes back
[22:36] <Azelphur> I don't think it's gonna, probably need to hard shutdown :(
[22:36] <Azelphur> nothing on the display output, not responding to ping, nor ssh.
[22:36] <diddledan> press the capslock key and wait to see if the light illuminates


[00:40] <PCLine_> Hello
[17:37] <dzho> huh.  I guess they do describe themselves as a "start-up"  http://centerforopenscience.org/
[17:37] <jenni> [ COS | Home ] - https://j.mp/1ph2W8W
[17:38] <dzho> although "non-profit start-up" seems a little oxymoronic to me.
[19:04] <jrgifford> Hey, I was/is part of a non-profit startup
[19:04] <jrgifford> core product is non-profit, the data that comes out of it is what we sell to research institutions
[19:04] <jrgifford> or at least, that was the plan
[19:11]  * skellat wonders if a Form 13909-A is needed about non-profit status: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf
[19:13] <skellat> Yeesh, the dividing line between commercial activity and non-commercial activity keeps getting weirder and weirder as days go by
[19:21] <skellat> From climagic on Twitter, synthesize your own busy signal: play -n synth sine 480 sine 620 remix 1-2 fade 0 0.5 delay 0.5 repeat 5
[19:24] <jrgifford> skellat: well, we were a for-profit entity
[19:24] <jrgifford> however, we were going to operate in a very non-profit-like fashion
[19:24] <skellat> Yeah
[19:24] <skellat> That's what the law doesn't really play nice with
[19:24] <jrgifford> because otherwise (the theory went) we'd scare anyone looking to invest in the idea
[19:25] <skellat> I don't doubt it
[19:25] <jrgifford> anyway, the idea didn't go anywhere
[19:25] <skellat> Having the binary profit/non-profit split is not exactly the best thing for ordering the business world at times
[19:25] <jrgifford> yeah


[04:42] <DanaG> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/lenovo-skylight-launch-pushed-off-to-july-ideapad-u1-hybrid-sti/
[04:42] <DanaG> dang
[09:35] <lool> crimsun: He does from time to time
[16:26]  * cwillu_at_work mutters at asac
[16:26] <asac> hi cwillu_at_work  ;)
[16:27] <cwillu_at_work> and I'm missing my network adapter
[16:28] <cwillu_at_work> ah, there it is
[16:28] <asac> heh
[16:28] <cwillu_at_work> didn't boot
[16:29]  * cwillu_at_work gets out a 30 foot serial cable with alligator clips
[16:29] <cwillu_at_work> I was planning to spend today doing small carpentry while waiting for firefox to build repeatedly.  I can see that this won't be happening