 test
 Morning
 @RazPi, It works, have not tried it in years
 the bot being bad was my bad
 I really need to add it to the startup
 so, anybody up for any kind of meeting up for some sort of event for 17.10?
 at all
 even if it's for anything local?
 @KMyers ? not this saturday but the next?
 and sushi is always a default option
 I am always up for Sushi. I can schedule something for the 11th. I an going to be going out of town for a bit on the 15th
 11th is the saturday after next, so that's the one i was talking about, lol


[03:20] <Xenocide> majoridiot, do you use mplayer or xine
[03:21] <majoridiot> mplayer
[03:22] <Xenocide> hm, im having a problem where when i use mplayer, i have 0 volume
[03:23] <majoridiot> when launched by itself, from mythvideo or both?
[03:26] <Xenocide> mythvideo
[03:26] <Xenocide> have not tried anything else
[03:27] <majoridiot> regular desktop install or minimal?
[03:27] <Xenocide> minimal
[03:27] <Xenocide> using openbox
[03:27] <majoridiot> ah
[03:27] <majoridiot> ok
[03:27] <majoridiot> what command line are you launching with in mythvideo?
[03:27] <Xenocide> worked fine for a bit
[03:27] <Xenocide> not sure
[03:27] <Xenocide> default
[03:27] <Xenocide> im not sure if something was hit or what
[03:28] <majoridiot> inadvertently muted?
[03:29] <Xenocide> possibly
[03:35] <billbrasky> f9 or l  is mute i believe
[03:39] <billbrasky> hey major...  i was gonna try another myth install attempt with edgy - at the point where you configure sql, and have to log out & log back in - do you do any of that with the mythtv user (created by the mythtv package)
[03:39] <billbrasky> or with your regular ID created during ubuntu install?
[03:40] <majoridiot> the is not a mythtv "user" created, per se.
[03:40] <majoridiot> ALWAYS use your main user.
[03:40] <majoridiot> that is where people get screwed up- thinking the mythtv user needs to be used.
[03:41] <billbrasky> k
[03:41] <billbrasky> i wasn't using it
[03:41] <billbrasky> but i saw another walk-thru, on another page (by superm1 i believe)
[03:41] <majoridiot> so as soon as the synaptic package manager closes...
[03:41] <billbrasky> saying to login as the mythtv user
[03:41] <majoridiot> to the user add command
[03:41] <majoridiot> log out, back in and continue
[03:41] <billbrasky> adding your main ID to the mythtv group, i believe...
[03:41] <billbrasky> yea
[03:42] <majoridiot> in fact...
[03:42] <billbrasky> i need to sort out if i'm doing some part of that wrong
[03:42] <majoridiot> i'm at that stage atm on a feisty install...
[03:42] <billbrasky> ah
[03:42] <billbrasky> i just recreated a vm for me to sort out what i'm doing wrong
[03:42] <billbrasky> i'll figure it out sooner or later :)
[03:43] <majoridiot> (and it just worked like a charm)
[03:44] <majoridiot> well the first thing to know is that if you bork an instal once, you pretty much have to remove EVERY SINGLE trace of mythtv and mysql permanently
[03:46] <billbrasky> yea
[03:46] <billbrasky> i started from scratch on a vm and still ran into the database permissions issues like i did on a physical box
[03:46] <majoridiot> ok...
[03:47] <majoridiot> in a nutshell...
[03:47] <majoridiot> install the myth setup you desire
[03:47] <majoridiot> sudo usermod -a -G mythtv yourusername
[03:47] <majoridiot> logout
[03:47] <majoridiot> log back in as yourusername
[03:47] <majoridiot> mythtv-setup
[03:48] <billbrasky> yea
[03:49] <billbrasky> that's about where i get the rolling terminal screen with errors :-/
[03:49] <billbrasky> i think the setup window does pop up
[03:49] <billbrasky> but i usually kill it before it does
[03:49] <billbrasky> cuz obviously something gets borked
[03:49] <majoridiot> is this from a FRESH format... after the borked attempt?
[03:50] <billbrasky> that was last night on a freshly installed vm
[03:50] <majoridiot> what mythtv packages are you installing?
[03:50] <billbrasky> just as the guide says
[03:51] <billbrasky> mythtv-frontend,-backend, database mysql-server, and all of the dependencies
[03:51] <billbrasky> i think i can try it again (gotta walk out the door in 2 minutes tho)
[03:51] <majoridiot> try the feisty install
[03:52] <majoridiot> working AWESOMELY
[03:52] <billbrasky> yea?
[03:52] <majoridiot> yes
[03:53] <majoridiot> what tuner are you using?
[03:53] <billbrasky> well, on the one box i'm gonna use a pvr500
[03:53] <majoridiot> :)
[03:53] <billbrasky> on the other i'm gonna try firewire
[03:53] <majoridiot> give feisty a shot
[03:53] <majoridiot> the 500 should work right outta the box
[03:53] <billbrasky> shit, heading out the door...   type atcha later
[03:53] <majoridiot> k
[06:23] <majoridiot> hm. quiet night.
[06:27] <billbrasky> i just did mythtv install in that vm, seemed to go ok this time
[06:27] <billbrasky> :shrug:
[06:27] <billbrasky> i'm gonna download feisty and give it a try anyways
[06:27] <billbrasky> i'll take your word that it's stable
[06:27] <billbrasky> :)
[06:28] <majoridiot> :)
[06:28] <majoridiot> sure... so you can blame the idiot.
[06:29] <superm1> good evenin kids
[06:29] <majoridiot> 'lo superm1
[06:29] <billbrasky> heya
[06:29] <superm1> majoridiot, did you straighten out your issues with ubiquity making a mess of paritions?
[06:29] <majoridiot> i was just calling it quits for guidework for the day.
[06:29] <superm1> ah
[06:29] <billbrasky> what are you guys using for remotes?
[06:29] <superm1> me, mceusb2 and mceusb
[06:29] <majoridiot> no... it will NOT manually partition a single, pre-installed srive.
[06:30] <majoridiot> mceusb and the PVR-150 blaster pack
[06:30] <majoridiot> (i2c remote)
[06:30] <billbrasky> either of the mce remotes work better than one another?
[06:30] <superm1> mceusb2 >>>>> mceusb
[06:30] <billbrasky> i was using the mceusb2 receiver with a harmony
[06:30] <superm1> ah
[06:30] <billbrasky> but i gotta get a remote for this other setup i think
[06:31] <billbrasky> my parents don't think the ati remote wonder is too intuitive
[06:31] <superm1> yea i wasnt a fan of it either
[06:31] <superm1> a roomate had one
[06:31] <billbrasky> i like that it's rf
[06:31] <billbrasky> and works fairly quick/smooth
[06:32] <billbrasky> i was hoping someone would have a way to simply map the MCE quick access buttons to myth (my pictures etc)
[06:32] <majoridiot> the mceusb2 is plenty responsive enough for me
[06:32] <billbrasky> might have been done already, i dunno
[06:33] <majoridiot> the key is to put the .lircrc in your home and make the lircrc in .mythtv a symlink to it... that seemed to speed the plow more than sticking lircrc directly in ,mythtv
[06:34] <billbrasky> i see
[06:34] <majoridiot> take the button name as defined in lircd.conf or reported buy irw and link it up to what you want it to do in the mythtv section of lircrc
[06:34] <superm1> majoridiot, was jetsradiem in this evenin?
[06:34] <majoridiot> i do not beleieve so, superm1.
[06:34] <majoridiot> if so, silent.
[06:34] <superm1> i touched bases earlier today with him
[06:34] <superm1> but still having lots of glade related issues
[06:34] <superm1> with ubiquity
[06:35] <majoridiot> a tough nut to crack, eh>
[06:35] <superm1> yes
[06:35] <superm1> well if he doesn't have it figured out in the next few weeks, i've only got roughly a month of school left
[06:35] <superm1> so i'll have free time evenings then
[06:36] <majoridiot> thaz all cool :)
[06:36] <majoridiot> made some nice guide improvements...
[06:37] <superm1> i'll have a look in a few min
[06:37] <majoridiot> feisty and backported (LOL) them to edgy as well
[06:38] <superm1> backported....
[06:38] <superm1> oh you mean the text
[06:38] <superm1> not the packages
[06:38] <superm1> lol
[06:38] <majoridiot> i think i may just reformat the backend tomorrow night and put in a feisty backend for permanent.
[06:38] <majoridiot> hehe... yeah, the text
[06:38] <superm1> i moved my edgy backend to feisty
[06:38] <majoridiot> didn't have time to do the packages... LOL
[06:38] <superm1> still have a dapper one chugging along though :)
[06:38] <majoridiot> :)
[06:39] <majoridiot> been wanting to drop the db and start from scratch for awhile...
[06:39] <superm1> i think i might reformat the feisty one though.  its been oopsing since i put edgy 64 in
[06:39] <superm1> i might just put 32
[06:39] <majoridiot> and i'm liking the feisty packages.
[06:39] <superm1> and see if its more stable
[06:39] <majoridiot> plus, with feisty i can WOL that board, since the driver is fixed.
[06:39] <superm1> ah nice
[06:40] <majoridiot> i quit running 64 altogether
[06:40] <majoridiot> about four or five months ago.  too unstable for me.
[06:40] <superm1> yea i hope thats all it is, this is all brand new hardware from newegg
[06:40] <superm1> since sept
[06:41] <superm1> so i dont want to have to deal with rma again
[06:42] <superm1> well i wish there was a way to easily reinstall remotely
[06:42] <superm1> because i dont have a head hooked up to it
[06:42] <superm1> or a keyboard to use with it
[06:42] <majoridiot> tat sucks
[06:43] <majoridiot> i picked up a little usb micro-keyboard for my backend for $16
[06:43] <majoridiot> tucks away nicely.
[06:43] <majoridiot> still have to lug out a monitor, tho.
[06:43] <superm1> well once its up and running i dont have a need for one.  i'll probably wait until i move in a month, and then just move my lcd out there for a day
[06:44] <superm1> to get it up and redone
[06:45] <majoridiot> have you had any luck making multiple mythtv sources from one zap2it account and attaching them to inividual cards?
[06:46] <majoridiot> e.g. 2-99 tune to pvr150 by default, 105-+ to firewire?
[06:46] <superm1> no i haven't. i've just always made sources for each card
[06:46] <superm1> for a short period of time, i had 3 zap2it accounts since i had so many sources
[06:46] <superm1> and they overlapped zip codes
[06:46] <majoridiot> hehe
[06:47] <majoridiot> so seperate sources from seperate accounts?
[06:47] <superm1> yes
[06:47] <superm1> haha
[06:47] <superm1> i can see that
[06:48] <majoridiot> one would think that if they all shared the same account...
[06:48] <majoridiot> but each had different channels, then it should work.
[06:48] <majoridiot> but it gets really pissed if i try that.
[06:48] <majoridiot> LOL
[06:49] <majoridiot> do you think zap2it will ever become a pay service?
[06:50] <superm1> they considered it last year
[06:50] <superm1> they offered a pay verison
[06:50] <superm1> with additional data and such
[06:51] <majoridiot> additional data?
[06:51] <superm1> yes
[06:51] <superm1> like more detailed data
[06:51] <superm1> that went further out
[06:51] <superm1> it was like 15 bucks for 6 months
[06:52] <superm1> but they decided against it after their test phase
[06:52] <majoridiot> not enough interest?
[06:52] <superm1> excatly
[06:52] <majoridiot> too expensive.
[06:53] <majoridiot> 19.95 a year would be pushing it.
[06:54] <superm1> well i think thats what the price point was
[06:54] <superm1> i dont remember
[06:54] <superm1> it might have been cheaper
[06:54] <superm1> it was all discussed on the mailing list way back when
[06:55] <majoridiot> they just got bought
[06:55] <majoridiot> s'why i'm wondering.
[06:55] <superm1> oh no...
[06:55] <superm1> by who?
[06:55] <majoridiot> actually, not that bad
[06:55] <majoridiot> sec
[06:56] <majoridiot> sam zell
[06:56] <majoridiot> real estate mogul,  supposed to be a pretty upstanding guy.
[06:57] <superm1> he bought TMS?
[06:57] <majoridiot> selling the cubs. LOL
[06:57] <superm1> alone??
[06:57] <majoridiot> $13 billion
[06:57] <superm1> wow
[06:57] <majoridiot> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9293474
[06:58] <superm1> amazing
[06:58] <majoridiot> yeah
[06:58] <superm1> well from their perspective -
[06:58] <superm1> its better to do it this way
[06:58] <superm1> because previously all these projects scrapped their websites
[06:58] <superm1> and wasted bandwidth
[06:58] <majoridiot> great pr too
[06:59] <majoridiot> if need be, sell ad space on the zap2it pages.  no need to charge.
[06:59] <majoridiot> kinda flipped when i read that this morning.
[07:02] <superm1> well we'll have to see
[07:05] <superm1> k
[07:06] <majoridiot> family guy and cheerios... awhat better way to wind down?
[07:07] <superm1> well Heroes and cheerios
[07:07] <superm1> :)
[07:07] <majoridiot> i haven't checked that out yet.   figured i'd grab season one
[07:08] <superm1> oh you should for sure
[07:08] <superm1> def one of my favorite series yet
[07:10] <superm1> i look forward to catching up on the tv shows that i'm missing right now due to this overload of last minute school work
[07:10] <majoridiot> myth building you a nice baklog?
[07:12] <superm1> yes sir
[07:12] <superm1> i've never had this much back logged recordings
[07:12] <majoridiot> lol
[07:12] <superm1> its to the point where autoexpire might expire them before i watch some :)
[07:12] <majoridiot> do you commercial flag as you record?
[07:12] <superm1> yes
[07:12] <superm1> from one of the other backends on the network
[07:13] <superm1> my master backend could never keep up
[07:13] <majoridiot> do you find it less accurate?  as in more sensitive?
[07:13] <superm1> no not at all
[07:13] <majoridiot> i recently changed mine to flag as it records and it gets a lot of false flags.  running it after is dead-on.
[07:14] <superm1> oh thats really odd
[07:14] <majoridiot> hm.
[07:14] <superm1> i find it more inaccurate when that amd64 edgy box does the flagging though
[07:14] <superm1> rather than my 3rd backend
[07:14] <superm1> oddly enoug
[07:14] <majoridiot> hehe
[07:14] <majoridiot> myth has got the cutest lil' quirks...
[07:14] <majoridiot> LOL
[07:14] <superm1> yes it sure does
[07:15] <superm1> oh i came across something interesting today
[07:15] <superm1> dont have a link,
[07:15] <superm1> but 5C is being pulled from a lot of comcast markets
[07:16] <majoridiot> really?
[07:16] <majoridiot> why so?
[07:16] <superm1> because they were getting enough complaints i'd guess
[07:16] <majoridiot> sweet
[07:16] <superm1> this could really be the holy grail if other cable co's start to follow suit
[07:17] <majoridiot> afaik my insight has no 5C channels.
[07:17] <superm1> so lucky :)
[07:17] <superm1> this would make myth the universal holy grail country wide
[07:17] <majoridiot> indeed and agreed! :)
[07:17] <majoridiot> agreed again.
[07:17] <majoridiot> i freaked out a friend the other night...
[07:18] <majoridiot> ran 3 different X sessions on my main comp, with a mythfrontend in each...
[07:18] <majoridiot> one D
[07:18] <majoridiot> HD
[07:18] <superm1> wow
[07:18] <superm1> and it handled that?
[07:18] <majoridiot> and the other two sd
[07:18] <majoridiot> backend never got over .2 load
[07:18] <majoridiot> frontend just laughed.
[07:19] <majoridiot> he FREAKED.
[07:19] <superm1> just laughed?
[07:19] <majoridiot> couldn't believe it was that powerful and that free.
[07:19] <superm1> as in at how easy it was to do
[07:20] <majoridiot> swapped between processors... but never worse than 100% on one and 20-ish on another.
[07:20] <superm1> thats incredible
[07:20] <majoridiot> plenty of legroom left.
[07:20] <majoridiot> the video cards help a LOT, but the core duo 2 is a nice processor.
[07:20] <superm1> my desktop freaks at one HD show
[07:20] <superm1> oh a core 2 duo
[07:20] <majoridiot> i am impressed.  my first intel chip ever.
[07:21] <superm1> man i need to get me one of those :)
[07:21] <superm1> my comp arch prof talked about them too
[07:21] <superm1> and how many strides ahead they are
[07:21] <majoridiot> and dual 7600GTKO SLIs running the video, so that helps.
[07:21] <superm1> wow
[07:21] <superm1> that is a mighty bad ass frontened
[07:22] <superm1> s/frontened/frontend/
[07:22] <majoridiot> i am very impressed with it.  and i guess the one i got is known for great ovewrclocking.
[07:22] <majoridiot> LOL at fe/fe/fe
[07:22] <majoridiot> he was more impressed that the backend handled it so well
[07:22] <majoridiot> well, as am i.
[07:23] <majoridiot> it a great software package.
[07:23] <superm1> :)
[07:23] <superm1> well hopefully for feisty+1, mythbuntu will be much closer to ready
[07:23] <superm1> and user friendly
[07:23] <superm1> for non linux people to jump in
[07:23] <superm1> so your friend can set up his own box :)
[07:23] <majoridiot> looking forward to that. :)
[07:24] <majoridiot> i could see the wheels turning in his head LOL
[07:26] <superm1> okay i've just got a few more things to finish with this lab
[07:26] <superm1> and then back home and bed for me
[07:27] <superm1> much earlier then yesterdays freaking 4AM :)
[07:27] <majoridiot> i would say so
[07:27] <majoridiot> i'm out soon myself
[07:27] <superm1> okay you have a good night.  i'll take a look at the backported changes for edgy and see what i think :)
[07:28] <majoridiot> k.  ttyl
[07:28] <superm1> later
[07:58] <tgm4883> Where's the log file for the backend server?  I was watching a show being recorded and my backend server crashed
[08:16] <superm1> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:59] <superm1> mornin Daviey
[02:59] <superm1> long time no see
[02:59] <Daviey> superm1, grr!
[03:00] <Daviey> I had my laptop stolen
[03:00] <superm1> omg
[03:00] <superm1> seriously?
[03:00] <Daviey> yeah
[03:00] <superm1> wow so sorry dude
[03:00] <Daviey> luckily i had only *just* backed everything of value up
[03:00] <superm1> did u have anything personable on therer that you wouldnt want in someone else's hands?
[03:01] <Daviey> not really.... i suspect they wouldn't know how to mount a ext3 fs anyway
[03:01] <superm1> haha
[03:01] <Daviey> On that thought tho, i will be seriously looking at encrypting it
[03:01] <superm1> is insurance going to cover it or anything?
[03:01] <Daviey> oh yeah...
[03:02] <superm1> encrypting it is a lot of work from what i've looked
[03:02] <Daviey> in someways i'm happy...  I put a meaty scratch into the lid
[03:02] <superm1> i thought about it for mine too
[03:02] <superm1> a hard drive lock is probably a better bet
[03:02] <superm1> (at least my thinkpad supports a hard drive locking password)
[03:03] <Daviey> Well i have already purchased a new one - and the insurance will cover it all..  :)
[03:03] <superm1> the drive won't spin up until its entered - and it only works in computers supporting a hard drive lock)
[03:03] <superm1> wow nice
[03:03] <superm1> well i would have offered - i will have an IBM/lenovo discount avail to me within the next 1.5 months if this happened a little later
[03:03] <Daviey> technically there is an 'excess' to pay - but ebaying the MS licences will cover that ;)
[03:04] <superm1> hehe
[03:04] <superm1> well either that or attempting to get the cost of the license back from the manufacturer
[03:05] <superm1> i've read about both dell and lenovo doing it
[03:13] <superm1> Daviey, so once you get the new machine back, you going to join back with us in mythbuntu efforts?
[03:23] <Daviey> sorry, had a phone call - let me catch up
[03:23] <Daviey> yes! definitely!
[03:23] <Daviey> I'm really keen to get this out
[03:27] <superm1> well the way things are looking, its not going to be at feisty release
[03:27] <superm1> but it will have to be staggered
[03:27] <superm1> due to a variety of reasons
[03:27] <superm1> -jetsariem ran into lots of difficulties with ubiquity, and i can't work much with him on it
[03:28] <superm1> -imbrandon hasnt gotten me my acct setup properly
[03:28] <superm1> he "made" it and set up a server for us
[03:28] <superm1> but my ssh key isn't working and i have been bugging him about it daily
[03:28] <Daviey> hehe
[03:29] <Daviey> What domain are we getting?
[03:29] <superm1> well mythbuntu.org was just bought by someone else apparently right before imbrandon was about to get it
[03:29] <superm1> so i really don't know
[03:29] <superm1> i was figuring that part would be irrelevant until the website is prepared
[03:29] <Daviey> Have we made contact with the person who did?
[03:29] <superm1> we were going to use drupal for content management
[03:30] <Daviey> *cough* Joomla *cough*
[03:30] <superm1> no we haven't - i've considering phoning him.  he is registered as living in indiana, and google turns up a mobile phone number in addition to his business number
[03:30] <superm1> Joomla?
[03:31] <Daviey> http://www.joomla.org/
[03:32] <Daviey> superm1, pm
[03:35] <superm1> so Daviey what does Joomla have going for it above drupal?
[03:36] <Daviey> I threw together a quick joomla webpage and was quite impressed with it
[03:36] <Daviey> i haven't tried drupal so can't really comment
[03:36] <superm1> well i have seen several drupal sites, and saying sexy is an understatement
[03:36] <Daviey> mind you, isn't there a drupal theme for 'ubuntu' we could adapt?
[03:37] <superm1> fluxbuntu.org and ubuntu.com use it
[03:37] <Daviey> have a look at fluxbuntu ;)
[03:37] <superm1> this might be interesting, http://forum.joomla.org/index.php?topic=4364.msg35306
[03:38] <superm1> ha, Site off line
[03:39] <Daviey> sounds like a +1 for drupal then
[03:41] <superm1> well the thing that sticks out from that is that drupal is focused around community sites though
[03:41] <superm1> eg logins and such
[03:41] <superm1> which for our purposes, i don't know will be necessary
[03:42] <Daviey> tbh. we can experiment.  It's easy to install either.  We can just save the content
[03:42] <superm1> sounds like a good idea
[03:42] <superm1> once imbrandon gets me the shell account to this box eventually i'll get basic installs of both on and give you an acct to toy with too
[03:43] <Daviey> What needs doing with actual development?  Have i missed much?
[03:43] <superm1> not too much, a few minor bug fixes that had to get in, lots of work on the guide, and  i think that the live disk script is pretty much done at this point
[03:44] <superm1> i mean of course there will be other things that will still come up
[03:44] <superm1> but i think ubiquity is the big thing right now that needs work
[03:45] <Daviey> what needs doing?
[03:45] <superm1> some of the uglier things i was doing on the live disk script have been pulled upstream (like user-setup)
[03:45] <Daviey> with ubiquity?
[03:45] <superm1> well jetsariem has been running into a variety of glade issues
[03:45] <superm1> afaik
[03:45] <superm1> and after he sorts out the gui, all the debconf that happens behind the scenes needs to be setup
[03:46] <Daviey> any idea when he'll be back?
[03:46] <superm1> he is on mid afternoons and late evenings (central time)
[03:46] <superm1> from what i've noticed
[03:46] <Daviey> good stuff
[03:46] <superm1> i wish i had the time atm to help more with it too, but its the last month of school and you know how that goes
[03:47] <Daviey> :)
[03:48] <Daviey> get the data postponed :P
[03:48] <Daviey> s/data/date
[03:48] <superm1> haha
[03:48] <superm1> well i'm going to stick to the view though, that we are better just delaying our release rather than release something that would be a hack anyhow
[03:48] <superm1> no use rushing right now
[03:50] <Daviey> agreed
[03:50] <Daviey> If it doesn't 'just work' then it'll get a bashing
[03:50] <superm1> exactly
[03:51] <Daviey> furthermore, we need to advertise the fact that it is extremely simple to update when a new myth version is released
[03:51] <superm1> but in a month once school is wrapped up, i'll have much more time anyhow
[03:51] <superm1> well to do that, we need our own repository that supplements the ubuntu repos
[03:51] <superm1> i think
[03:52] <Daviey> thats what i thought initially - but weren't we going to try and squeeze everything into universe?
[03:52] <superm1> yes
[03:52] <superm1> but what if say 0.21 is released
[03:52] <superm1> right after for example feisty
[03:53] <superm1> and everyone wants to jump onto that boat
[03:53] <superm1> it will be at least 2-3 weeks until the package is made, packaged for feisty, and then backported
[03:53] <superm1> longer if there are any new dependencies introduced
[03:53] <Daviey> oic
[03:53] <superm1> but thats another detail that can be sorted out later
[03:56] <superm1> but if you want to help jetsadiem with ubiquity atm, i'm sure it would be greatly appreciated
[03:57] <superm1> i understand that he poked cjwatson and others in ubuntu-devel for some info
[03:57] <superm1> but i havent gotten a transcript of what he found out yet
[04:57] <tgm4883> Being that im not use to looking at logs, does mythtv log just errors, or lots of normal things too?
[10:02] <tgm4883> Does mythtv backend og normal activity or just problems?
[10:02] <tgm4883> log
[10:09] <tgm4883> majoridiot, does mythtv backend log normal activity?
[10:09] <tgm4883> or just problems
[10:10] <gardengnome> i suppose it's the normal log level.
[10:10] <majoridiot> both by default
[10:10] <tgm4883> ok
[10:10] <gardengnome> it should tell you the log level at the beginning of the log file
[10:10] <tgm4883> wanted to make sure that I wasn't having huge problems as my logs are quite large
[10:10] <majoridiot> you can set the log level
[10:11] <tgm4883> set it to errors only?
[10:11] <majoridiot> to log only error events, etc.
[10:11] <tgm4883> im trying to pin down my crash
[10:11] <majoridiot> i *think* it has a number of levels
[10:11] <majoridiot> xine?
[10:12] <tgm4883> was watching a show that was being recorded at the same time (through manage recordings or whatever, not live tv) and my backend crashec
[10:13] <majoridiot> k
[10:13] <majoridiot> should be one of the last events in the backend log then
[10:13] <majoridiot> if it was recorded, that is.
[10:15] <tgm4883> can i post where I think the problem is in the log file?
[10:15] <majoridiot> sure
[10:18] <tgm4883> this is a snip from my log where I believe it is, heres the link as it also is quite large.  I have many more of the mpeg2video lines before this and can post the whole log file if necessary.
[10:18] <tgm4883> http://linux.weilandhomes.com/mythtverror.txt
[10:20] <majoridiot> ok...
[10:20] <majoridiot> you were recording a program...
[10:21] <tgm4883_> my desktop just froze, when it rains, it pours
[10:21] <majoridiot> start over LOL...
[10:21] <majoridiot> ok...
[10:21] <tgm4883_> if you replied after I sent the link i didn't see it
[10:21] <majoridiot> you were recording a program...
[10:21] <tgm4883_> ok
[10:21] <majoridiot> and then tried to watch it while it was still recording...
[10:22] <majoridiot> did it ever start the video or just error out?
[10:22] <tgm4883_> i have my schedule setup to record programs, and while they record i usually go into media library and start watching it so i can skip commercials
[10:23] <majoridiot> right
[10:23] <majoridiot> what i'm asking...
[10:23] <tgm4883_> yea i was about halfway through a show when it gave the error about not being able to connect to the backend
[10:23] <tgm4883_> which is the same machine
[10:23] <majoridiot> ah
[10:23] <majoridiot> and that is the snippet of log that you posted?
[10:24] <tgm4883_> yea, i can post the whole thing if necessary
[10:25] <majoridiot> not necessary, i don't believe
[10:25] <tgm4883_> ok
[10:25] <majoridiot> ok
[10:25] <majoridiot> now...
[10:25] <majoridiot> did you restart the backend or just restart the frontend?
[10:26] <tgm4883_> I had to restart the backend to get it working again
[10:26] <tgm4883_> I actually ended up restarting the computer
[10:26] <majoridiot> ah.  k
[10:26] <tgm4883_> but i feel that a backend restart would have done the trick
[10:26] <majoridiot> i saw a 3-4 minute gap.
[10:26] <majoridiot> is there another remote frontend or is this your only machine?
[10:26] <tgm4883_> as i couldn't access either from mythweb either
[10:27] <tgm4883_> i have a remote frontend on my laptop that i use occasionally
[10:27] <majoridiot> ok
[10:27] <tgm4883_> but i wasn't using it last night
[10:27] <majoridiot> is the backend address <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:27] <tgm4883_> yes
[10:28] <majoridiot> did the program being recorded finish correctly?
[10:28] <tgm4883_> the backend had also been running about 8 days, not sure if that matters
[10:28] <tgm4883_> hmm, let me check
[10:30] <majoridiot> also... pls post the last few time-stamped log entries from right before the last log you posted. (you can pm it to me if you want)
[10:30] <tgm4883_> no didn't finish recording
[10:31] <majoridiot> probably because of your reboot.
[10:31] <majoridiot> it looks like it was still recording when you stopped it.
[10:32] <tgm4883_> just a sec
[10:32] <tgm4883_> i think i can explain that
[10:32] <majoridiot> mysql died for some reason.
[10:32] <tgm4883_> it crashed during the black donnellys, didn't finish recording that (last 8 minutes)
[10:33] <majoridiot> yup.  right when mysql died.
[10:33] <majoridiot> is there anything in your /var/log/mysql.err?
[10:34] <tgm4883_> I think i restarted it after that show, and it started recording the tonight show, but only recorded 7 minutes, stopped ( i think this is when i restarted) and started recording again (so i have 2 parts to the tonight show)
[10:34] <tgm4883_> let me check
[10:36] <tgm4883_> mysql.err is empty
[10:37] <majoridiot> what about mysql.log?
[10:37] <tgm4883_> is there a good program for looking through log files?  im using gedit
[10:37] <majoridiot> gnome log viewer
[10:38] <majoridiot> gnome-system-log
[10:38] <tgm4883_> mysql.log is empty also, i opened up mysql.log.1 which is dated yesterday and it also is empty
[10:38] <majoridiot> when was your crash?
[10:38] <tgm4883_> last night at about 10:58 pm
[10:39] <majoridiot> k
[10:39] <majoridiot> well... the problem is mysql died for some reason
[10:39] <majoridiot> or myth had a problem connecting to it for some reason out of the blue
[10:39] <majoridiot> i don't know much about mysql
[10:39] <tgm4883_> perhaps needs updating?
[10:40] <majoridiot> is it available to update on your system?
[10:40] <tgm4883_> yea
[10:40] <majoridiot> might not hurt
[10:40] <majoridiot> back up your database first, tho
[10:40] <majoridiot> just to be safe
[10:40] <tgm4883_> will do
[10:40] <majoridiot> vg.
[10:41] <tgm4883_> how large is too large for a log file (for mythtv), it looks quite large to me, but i suppose it could be average
[10:41] <tgm4883_> i just like to worry
[10:42] <majoridiot> dunno
[10:42] <majoridiot> lemme look at mine
[10:42] <majoridiot> $ ls -l /var/log/mythtv
[10:42] <majoridiot> total 1020
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv  18499 2007-04-03 15:30 mythbackend.log
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv  41078 2007-03-03 14:03 mythbackend.log~
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-03 08:41 mythbackend.log.1
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-02 08:23 mythbackend.log.2
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-01 15:25 mythbackend.log.3
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-31 13:21 mythbackend.log.4
[10:43] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-30 11:02 mythbackend.log.5
[10:43] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-29 11:02 mythbackend.log.6
[10:43] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-28 09:15 mythbackend.log.7
[10:43] <majoridiot> however...
[10:43] <majoridiot> keep in mind that my backend turns itself on and off... yours apparently runs for weeks ;)
[10:44] <majoridiot> so your log files are likely 10-20MB?
[10:44] <tgm4883_> well each log file is for 1 day it seems
[10:44] <majoridiot> ah... that's nice.
[10:44] <majoridiot> so your logs are 3-5MB?
[10:45] <tgm4883_> yea 5.2 mb for yesterday, 101000 lines
[10:45] <majoridiot> that's about right, i think.
[10:45] <tgm4883_> thats why its a PITA to look through
[10:46] <majoridiot> k...
[10:47] <majoridiot> you can set the log level to just log "important" events
[10:47] <tgm4883_> well i guess i need to let it run another week to see if it still has problems.  good think i kept the tivo as a backup incase something goes harry
[10:47] <majoridiot> it is set to log "general" as well by default
[10:47] <majoridiot> that would cut down the log size for you.
[10:47] <tgm4883_> ill change it to errors only
[10:48] <majoridiot> want help with that?
[10:48] <tgm4883_> wouldn't hurt, it's probably in the doc's right?
[10:48] <majoridiot> yes and no
[10:49] <majoridiot> LOL
[10:49] <tgm4883_> ah
[10:49] <majoridiot> you need to modify the init script
[10:49] <majoridiot> no biggy
[10:49] <tgm4883_> i do have another question, but not sure if I should wait to see if this crashing problem is sorted out first
[10:49] <majoridiot> sudo nano /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[10:50] <majoridiot> look for: DAEMON=/usr/bin/mythbackend  near the top after comments
[10:50] <tgm4883_> there is a small line of (static i guess) at the top of my analog recordings.  Probably covered by overscan on most tv's but i have no overscan
[10:50] <majoridiot> change it to: DAEMON=/usr/bin/mythbackend -v important
[10:51] <tgm4883_> ok changed
[10:51] <tgm4883_> i need to restart the backend correct?
[10:51] <majoridiot> correct.
[10:52] <majoridiot> the overscan settings in frontend setup won't fix it?
[10:52] <tgm4883_> lol, didn't even look as my tv doesn't have overscan
[10:52] <tgm4883_> let me try
[10:53] <majoridiot> the overscan is internal to the capture device ;)
[10:53] <tgm4883_> uh oh
[10:54] <tgm4883_> thomas@athena:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[10:54] <tgm4883_> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend: 12: -v: not found
[10:54] <tgm4883_> Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendstart-stop-daemon: unrecognized option `--daemon'
[10:54] <tgm4883_> Try `start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.
[10:54] <tgm4883_> thats the right command right?
[10:54] <tgm4883_> i tried just stop too, but didn't work either
[10:54] <majoridiot> LOL sec.
[11:00] <majoridiot> sorry... phone
[11:00] <majoridiot> ok undo that change... take the -v important off of the DAEMON
[11:00] <majoridiot> and add
[11:01] <majoridiot> damn phone, sorry.
[11:02] <majoridiot> -v important to the end of the ARGS=
[11:02] <majoridiot> a few lines down
[11:02] <majoridiot> (forgot i had changed my init script so much, sorry)
[11:03] <tgm4883_> that works much better thanks
[11:03] <majoridiot> that should start it logging only "important" msgs
[11:03] <majoridiot> yvw
[11:04] <tgm4883_> now the overscan setting, are you talking in mythtv-setup? or in the mythtv frontend settings?
[11:04] <majoridiot> frontend
[11:04] <majoridiot> setup>>tv >> playback
[11:04] <tgm4883_> isn't that global for the frontend?  will it change my HD viewing
[11:05] <majoridiot> same tuner?
[11:05] <tgm4883_> different
[11:05] <tgm4883_> one pvr-150, one pcHDTV 5500
[11:05] <majoridiot> hm.  try it and see
[11:05] <tgm4883_> ok
[11:05] <majoridiot> i have overscan set on my 150...
[11:06] <majoridiot> and haven't noticed a change in my firewire picture
[11:06] <tgm4883_> did you change the displacement or the percentage?
[11:07] <majoridiot> sec
[11:07] <tgm4883_> sorry to make you keep looking these things up
[11:08] <majoridiot> you want percentage
[11:08] <majoridiot> horizontal
[11:08] <majoridiot> if you have nooise at the top
[11:08] <tgm4883_> k
[11:08] <tgm4883_> i do
[11:08] <majoridiot> (np helping... i'll let you know when i've had enuf)
[11:08] <tgm4883_> small number like 5?
[11:08] <majoridiot> (i'm working on the guides, anyway)
[11:08] <tgm4883_> its a very small line
[11:09] <tgm4883_> iwill try it
[11:09] <majoridiot> try 1 or 2 to begin
[11:09] <majoridiot> it won't take much
[11:11] <tgm4883_> do i need to restart the frontend?
[11:11] <majoridiot> no
[11:12] <majoridiot> you can bounce back and forth
[11:15] <tgm4883_> hmm
[11:16] <tgm4883_> horizontal?  cause it seems the noise doesn't change, but the people are getting fatter
[11:16] <majoridiot> vert
[11:16] <majoridiot> LMAO
[11:17] <majoridiot> H side to side, v up and down.  idiot.
[11:17] <tgm4883_> ah much better, and 2 works this time.  Where i still had the line at 25 on horzontal
[11:18] <majoridiot> yeah... you wouldn't have fixed it listening to me.
[11:18] <majoridiot> hehe
[11:19] <tgm4883_> you going to hate me, but the longer im on here fixing these things the more questions i come up with
[11:19] <majoridiot> s'kinda why i'm here.  to help when i can.
[11:19] <majoridiot> :)
[11:20] <tgm4883_> ok, i *think* i only have two more, and i really do appreciate the help
[11:20] <tgm4883_> whoops didn't like that
[11:21] <tgm4883_> ah
[11:21] <tgm4883_> much better
[11:21] <tgm4883_> tried changeing it to 1 instead of 2 and had a very bouncy picture
[11:21] <tgm4883_> now to my last two questions (i hope)
[11:23] <tgm4883_> do you use a remote?  I have the pvr-150 remote and it feels cheesy and sometime i have to press the buttons repeatly to get it to work right.  Im looking for a better remote to use
[11:24] <majoridiot> it it usb sensor or plug into card?
[11:24] <tgm4883_> plug into card
[11:24] <majoridiot> where is your lircrc located?
[11:24] <tgm4883_> um
[11:25] <tgm4883_> lol
[11:25] <majoridiot> k
[11:25] <majoridiot> do:
[11:25] <tgm4883_> wherever the guide told me to put it
[11:25] <majoridiot> ls -a in your home directory to see if it is a hidden file there (.lircrc)
[11:25] <majoridiot> or
[11:26] <majoridiot> k
[11:26] <majoridiot> what is the result of ls -l .mythtv
[11:27] <tgm4883_> i have a .lircrc file in my home directory and ls -l .mythtv give me
[11:27] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 root   root   4096 2007-03-24 09:20 channels
[11:27] <tgm4883_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 thomas thomas   20 2007-03-24 14:57 lircrc -> /home/thomas/.lircrc
[11:27] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 3 thomas thomas 4096 2007-03-24 15:09 themecache
[11:27] <tgm4883_> but..
[11:27] <tgm4883_> my home directory is thomas, where as the computer auto logs in as user mythtv
[11:28] <majoridiot> k
[11:28] <tgm4883_> and i dont have a .lircrc file in there
[11:28] <majoridiot> do:
[11:28] <tgm4883_> thomas@athena:/home/mythtv$ ls -l .mythtv
[11:28] <tgm4883_> total 36
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-03-25 18:36 channels
[11:28] <tgm4883_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root      20 2007-03-24 15:09 lircrc -> /home/thomas/.lircrc
[11:28] <tgm4883_> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv   939 2007-03-24 09:42 mysql.txt
[11:28] <majoridiot> ln -s /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc /home/thomas/.lircrc
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-03-28 22:46 MythNews
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-04-01 22:12 MythWeather
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 16384 2007-04-03 14:21 osdcache
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 3 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-03-24 15:05 themecache
[11:29] <tgm4883_> file exists
[11:29] <majoridiot> ah
[11:29] <majoridiot> k
[11:29] <majoridiot> you set it up correctly :)
[11:30] <majoridiot> dunno why it is sluggish.  mine works great.
[11:30] <tgm4883_> well whoever wrote the guide did an excellent job ;)
[11:30] <majoridiot> lirc?
[11:30] <majoridiot> that one is pretty much superm1's baby
[11:30] <majoridiot> and yes, it is very good.
[11:30] <tgm4883_> its not always sluggish, just sometime i have to press a few times to get it to work
[11:31] <tgm4883_> other times it works real quick
[11:31] <tgm4883_> so i was thinking it was the remote
[11:31] <tgm4883_> and i figured it would be nice to have a remote that was multifunction for turning the tv on and controlling other things too
[11:31] <majoridiot> might check to see if some of the keys need the repeat setting asjusted.
[11:32] <majoridiot> or maybe it's losing focus every now and then?
[11:32] <tgm4883_> maybe
[11:32] <tgm4883_> its a backend/frontend setup with no desktop
[11:32] <majoridiot> ah- no guarantee that the ir sensor will read a universal remote correctly... according to hauppauge.
[11:33] <majoridiot> then it shouldn't lose focus.  nothing to switch to.
[11:33] <tgm4883_> figured as much, is there somewhere i can get a usb ir receiver? (I assume usb would be a good one to get as opposed to say, serial)
[11:34] <tgm4883_> then i could use any remote right?
[11:34] <tgm4883_> with the correct lirc file that is
[11:35] <majoridiot> you might try to see if you can get the hauppauge to read another remote before buying another receiver
[11:35] <majoridiot> that is their *claim* in the docs... dunno if it is true or not.
[11:35] <tgm4883_> ok
[11:35] <majoridiot> the instructions for reading raw codes is on the lirc page
[11:36] <tgm4883_> i will check it out
[11:36] <majoridiot> k
[11:36] <tgm4883_> see now i have thought of another question
[11:36] <tgm4883_> its neverending
[11:36] <tgm4883_> :(
[11:37] <majoridiot> k... one more and then i need to concentrate for a little bit.
[11:37] <tgm4883_> ok
[11:37] <majoridiot> need to make a few guide changes without distraction, but then i'll be available.
[11:37] <majoridiot> so shoot :)
[11:38] <tgm4883_> where is the adjustment for the font size for things like backend status (or for the listing of recorded tv shows) it's really small on my tv
[11:39] <majoridiot> setup>>tv settings>>appearance
[11:39] <majoridiot> no
[11:39] <majoridiot> sorry
[11:40] <majoridiot> setup >> appearace
[11:41] <majoridiot> k... i'll bbiab
[11:41] <tgm4883_> k