 The morning of is always family time
[01:09] <rick_h__> we visit eve and afternoon of day
[01:09] <jjesse> we've always split holidays
[01:09] <rick_h__> but morning is no compromise
[01:09] <jjesse> my brother is like that
[01:09] <rick_h__> yea, we do as well, my family is christmas eve and the in laws get chirstmas day
[01:10] <rick_h__> but still, we're not getting anywhere until 1pm
[01:10] <jjesse> but i don't want to drive 2 hours to in-laws on christmas day
[01:11] <brousch> we do home xmas, then up to ravenna for second breakfast xmas, then to fremont for lunch xmas, then back to GR for another xmas
[01:11] <jjesse> wow
[01:11] <jjesse> we split each year
[01:11] <brousch> crazy
[01:11] <brousch> but do-able
[01:11] <jjesse> did brunch this morning w/ my folks and my one brother and gave presents
[01:11] <jjesse> then drove to the east side
[01:13] <jjesse> i do understand the joy of being in own house for christmas
[01:13] <jjesse> but its not big enough of a deal to force the issue
[02:44] <jrwren> 5
[03:21] <snap-l> God, that's done
[03:22] <snap-l> Family on CHristmas Eve
[03:22] <snap-l> with my cousins.
[04:07] <_stink_> heh
[04:07] <_stink_> phew.
[04:08] <brousch> there. santa has left the building
[04:08] <brousch> now i'm off to bed
[13:24] <mydogsname1srudy> and its Christmas   Merry Christmas everyone
[13:34] <snap-l> Merry Coffe
[13:34] <snap-l> e
[13:34] <snap-l> Haven't had my first cup yet so Christmas can't start yet.
[13:43] <brousch> gifts have been opened. thomasfest is in effect
[13:52] <snap-l> Awesome. :)
[14:05] <snap-l> OK, coffee unlocked.  WE're over at my parents place.
[16:43] <snap-l> (yes, my parents are coming here, then we're going there. IT's messed up)
[17:02] <Wolfger> Merry xmas everybody!
[17:04] <Wolfger> snap-l: That's.... uh... a nice way to... waste gas?
[17:17] <snap-l> Wolfger: I am their son; I don't claim to understand them.
[22:08] <snap-l> phew


[00:04] <SkippersBoss> oh
[00:05] <SkippersBoss> ok
[00:05] <SkippersBoss> oops wrong window
[08:43] <knome> pleia2, great
[09:12] <ochosi> knome: why are there still open issues for xfce410 here? http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu.html
[09:13] <knome> ochosi, those aren't in xubuntu
[09:13] <knome> they are bugs filed against qimo-session and mythbuntu-default-settings
[09:13] <ochosi> oh right
[09:13] <knome> but i believe mr_pouit wants to keep them linked to our blueprint to track the status, or something
[09:14] <knome> micahg, if not, please unlink :P
[09:17] <knome> eh
[09:17] <knome> wrong tabfill
[09:18] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:47] <knome> anybody around with a Q installation handy?
[09:48] <smartboyhw> knome: Does Ubuntu Studio Q count?
[09:48] <knome> no
[09:48] <smartboyhw> alright then:)
[09:48] <Unit193> Well, kinda.
[09:49] <knome> kinda?
[09:49] <smartboyhw> ?
[09:51] <knome> booting my desktop up
[10:10] <knome> aha, my Q vbox is not bootable
[10:11] <Unit193> It isn't handy, but if it is needed badly...
[10:11] <knome> well, i'm installing new one :)
[10:11] <knome> no problem..
[10:11] <knome> heh
[10:11] <knome> installer died with unexpected error
[10:12] <knome> ochosi!!!
[10:15] <Unit193> So, what's up?
[10:15] <knome> http://typewith.me/p/x-qa-desktoptest
[10:15] <knome> making that work
[10:15] <knome> need to check some default settings and how we expect things to be
[10:16] <knome> if you see things that should be fixed, just go ahead
[10:17] <Unit193> Ah, more involved than I hoped for 06:17. :P
[10:18] <knome> haha
[10:18] <knome> well, you don't *need* to ;)
[10:19] <knome> yeah, irc.ubuntu.com is the default on pidgin
[10:20] <knome> audio cd
[10:20] <knome> do i have one handy
[10:20] <knome> do i have 500 handy
[10:20] <knome> :P
[10:20] <Unit193> Pidgin doesn't count...
[10:20] <knome> why doesn't it count?
[10:22] <Unit193> Barely handles IRC, wasn't designed for it. :P  (Sister uses it. :(  )
[10:23] <knome> does irc well enough for support questions
[10:23] <knome> or "hi"
[10:23] <knome> *run*
[10:24] <knome> how can i make an audio disc an .iso, or can i?
[10:24] <knome> do we have audio cd automount on by default?
[10:24] <knome> yeah, parole should play
[10:24] <Unit193> Great, I boot the vm and start hitting things, etherpad is broken...
[10:24] <knome> yeah
[10:24] <knome> :|
[10:24] <davmor2> Unit193: Pidgin handles irc fairly well empathy is better now but still not as good, xchat for a real gui irc client though
[10:25] <knome> hai davmor2
[10:25] <Unit193> It is Help > Contents
[10:25] <knome> and not?
[10:25] <Unit193> Not sure if it was "Help contents", that's why I was looking.
[10:25] <knome> ok
[10:26] <knome> seeing if i can hit that installer error again...
[10:26] <knome> yeah, i can
[10:26] <knome> ochosi!!!
[10:26] <Unit193> Memory is faulty at 06:26 (or all the time, but more now)
[10:27] <Unit193> davmor2: Meh, well in some areas, lacking in many others (I remember notices failing, autojoin/reconnecting flooding you off network, and several other fun issues)
[10:28] <davmor2> Unit193: but for general chat it is fine the same as empathy.  as I say xchat is the better irc only client
[10:28] <knome> well yeah, pidgin is obviously not good for serious ircing
[10:28] <knome> but it's fine enough if you irc now and then
[10:29] <davmor2> knome: agree there are a lot of people in the commercial team use pidgin for irc all day everyday cause it does what they need it to do
[10:29] <Unit193> Quassel has that handy core feature if you must GUI it, hexchat is good on windows and seems to have builds for linux now that xchat is getting outdated, but I like my irssi. :)
[10:30] <knome> mm.
[10:30] <davmor2> Unit193: but quassel pull in more libs than anyone should ever need
[10:31] <davmor2> Unit193: yeah but irssi is really unintuitive for a new user
[10:31] <Unit193> libdbusmenu-qt2 libindicate-qt1 libphonon4 phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer quassel-client-qt4 quassel-data  if you already have VLC on Xubuntu. (testing/tested quassel to see what the fuss was about, and to see the core feature)
[10:32] <Unit193> davmor2: Yep, that it is.
[10:33] <davmor2> Unit193: yeah but there is all the QT libs to install on top of that plus if you start pulling in some of the plugins it needs some kde specific things so pulls in all the KDE core libs too
[10:34] <knome> yup, irssi is definitely baffling for a new user.
[10:34] <Unit193> I'm not saying it is small, but if you get the right package it isn't as bad.
[10:34] <knome> no way i could get most of my friends ever use it
[10:34] <Unit193> knome: Why I can't clicky?
[10:34] <knome> clicky what?
[10:34] <knome> oh right
[10:34] <knome> meh
[10:39] <ochosi> knome: ???
[10:39] <Unit193> ochosi!
[10:39] <knome> ochosi, nothing, it wasn't you.
[10:40] <ochosi> a-ha, you know you pinged me twice, right? :)
[10:41] <knome> ochosi, i know.
[10:41] <Unit193> Easiest to blame you.
[10:42] <knome> ochosi, yeah, ubiquity was broken and i obviously thought it was you, but it was a known
[10:43] <ochosi> hehe
[10:43] <ochosi> yeah, i'm maintaining ubiquity now :)
[10:43] <knome> SHINY
[10:43] <knome> 705MB for amd64
[10:44] <knome> ochosi, yeah, we run parole for audio cd's by default
[10:44] <ochosi> knome: i cannot have broken ubiquity even a little, the branch is still waiting: https://code.launchpad.net/ubiquity/+activereviews
[10:44] <knome> ochosi, and yeah, irc.ubuntu.com is the defult irc server
[10:44] <knome> ochosi, haha, ok ;)
[10:44] <knome> ochosi, maybe poke people...
[10:44] <ochosi> so please give cjwatson or whoever a push
[10:44] <knome> Unit193, etherpad works now
[10:45] <ochosi> knome: did you propose a branch already for the new wallpaper?
[10:45] <knome> ochosi, no
[10:45] <knome> ochosi, if you have time to do that, please do
[10:45] <knome> Unit193, and fixed what you said was wrong previously
[10:46] <ochosi> and btw, i agree that we should put a generic symlink like "xubuntu-wallpaper" pointing the most recent one there
[10:46] <Unit193> Seems I did remember rith, seewrt.
[10:46] <knome> works for me
[10:46] <ochosi> then we don't have to modify ubiquity every single release
[10:46] <knome> true
[10:47] <ochosi> mr_pouit: can we add a generic symlink "xubuntu-wallpaper" so that we don't have to update ubiquity for each release? and: can we still add it for 12.10? (just to know what kind of modification we propose to ubiquity)
[10:47] <knome> ochosi, can you handle it with mr_pouit? i can handle the UIFes and stuff
[10:47] <ochosi> knome: i guess, at least if he gets back to me :)
[10:52] <knome> ochosi, ok, thanks. i can also poke him if he doesn't
[10:52] <knome> ochosi, i also told cjwatson your stuff is ready (again)
[10:52] <ochosi> yup, you're the poker-face
[10:52] <knome> haha, i was looking for my ring
[10:52] <knome> too close...
[11:07] <Unit193> knome: Shouldn't #ubuntu-packaging: Packaging for Ubuntu, including new packages, PPA packages, etc.  For working on Ubuntu, see  #ubuntu-devel, for writing applications, see #ubuntu-app-devel
[11:07] <Unit193> Ignore that....
[11:08] <Unit193> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy shouldn't that be linked to for "Ubuntu philosophy"?
[11:35] <mips1911> do you guys think xfce 4.12 will make it into xubuntu 13.04 in time?
[11:37] <ochosi> nope
[11:37] <mips1911> ochosi, so 13.04 will still feature 4.10 then? Apparantly 4.12 release is scheduled for March which leaves very little time.
[11:38] <ochosi> mips1911: apparently you don't know that much about xfce's release schedules :}
[11:38] <ochosi> it usually takes considerably longer than planned
[11:38] <knome> Unit193, huh? :)
[11:38] <mips1911> yeah, usually late
[11:38] <ochosi> and in fact not much has happened since 4.10
[11:40] <Unit193> knome: Where it says "Ubuntu philosophy", it points to "The Ubuntu Story"
[11:40] <Unit193> Menu > Help
[11:40] <knome> hmm
[11:40] <knome> right
[11:40] <knome> that's fixed in the new docs
[11:40] <knome> *will be
[11:41] <Unit193> Bleh...
[11:41] <knome> :)
[11:41] <knome> Unit193, bzr branch lp:~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs
[11:41] <knome> Unit193, and build :P
[11:41] <knome> should be already fixed in that branch
[11:49] <knome> Unit193, you will probabyly need: gnome-doc-utils, docbook and docbook-utils to be able to 'make'
[11:51] <ochosi> knome: i just took a brief look at plymouth
[11:51] <ochosi> i think i might be able to fix the background-scaling
[11:51] <ochosi> furthermore i'm proposing to replace the wallpaper there with a symlink
[11:51] <knome> ochosi, ok
[11:52] <knome> ochosi, ++
[11:52] <ochosi> it's stupid that we ship the same wallpaper in several places
[11:52] <knome> heh
[11:52] <knome> agreed.
[11:52] <ochosi> but i need mr_pouit for that again :)
[11:52] <knome> yeah
[11:52] <knome> do you think you'd have *any* time to look at the xorg bug and probably get it reverted (for the 1px borders)
[11:52] <knome> i mean, not fix it, but find somebody who can or find somebody who could revert that "fix"
[11:53] <ochosi> that's too much for me to debug
[11:53] <knome> i'm not talking about debugging
[11:53] <ochosi> i think someone more able should do that
[11:53] <ochosi> well i have to debug it if we want to able to get it reverted
[11:53] <knome> yes, but i was asking whether you could take time to find somebody?
[11:53] <ochosi> we have to know _what_ to revert
[11:53] <ochosi> i wouldn't know who to ask
[11:53] <ochosi> i already talked to olivier and a few others
[11:53] <knome> me neither really, so...
[11:53] <knome> :)
[11:54] <ochosi> and for just asking around no, i'm already busy enough with lightdm and plymouth
[11:54] <knome> i'd talk to somebody who knows xorg or is familiar with ubuntu packaging
[11:54] <knome> ok, fine
[11:54] <knome> no problems
[11:54] <knome> just asking :)
[11:54] <ochosi> np :)
[11:54] <knome> i will need to see if i have time for that myself
[11:55] <knome> if not, i assume you are ready to push the 2px border fix?
[11:55] <ochosi> or you find someone else who can then in turn find someone else...
[11:55] <knome> i'd say deadline is 18 or 19 this month
[11:55] <knome> lol
[11:55] <ochosi> ready as in "i'm prepared to do it"
[11:55] <knome> heh, good ;)
[11:55] <ochosi> i haven't prepared the patch yet
[11:55] <knome> yeah, i'll try to see what i can do
[11:55] <knome> yeah, but that's trivial
[11:55] <knome> maybe we should test it ASAP anyway :P
[11:56] <knome> while i know it works, still...
[11:56] <knome> i don't want to miss the beta2 freeze with this
[11:56] <ochosi> btw, from what i read on the web, i might be able to animate those 12.10 buttons in plymouth :)
[11:56] <knome> aha
[11:56] <knome> what do you mean with "animate"?
[11:57] <knome> draw them manually?
[11:57] <ochosi> fade-in fade-out
[11:57] <knome> aha
[11:57] <knome> ok
[11:57] <knome> worksforme
[11:57] <ochosi> well in fact the whole scaling problem is no problem at all
[11:57] <knome> but let's just get the scaling issue fixed first ;)
[11:57] <ochosi> for the simple bg scaling doesn't matter
[11:57] <ochosi> we could get dots in as separate pixmaps
[11:57] <ochosi> so they wouldn't be scaled (same as with logotype)
[11:57] <knome> yes, worksforme, and i can export them for you today
[11:57] <ochosi> and then animating them is just a few more lines
[11:58] <knome> but does that mean we would have to have a circleless wall image?
[11:58] <ochosi> not sure when i have time for it
[11:58] <ochosi> yes
[11:58] <knome> yeah...
[11:58] <ochosi> we need that anyway, lightdm scaling isn't fixed yet :)
[11:58] <knome> can you promise 17 at latest?
[11:58] <knome> (that's monday)
[11:58] <ochosi> no, no promises :}
[11:58] <knome> beta2 freeze is thursday, and as said, i don't want to miss that
[11:59] <ochosi> i'd say throw in the circleless wallpapers anyway
[11:59] <knome> aha
[11:59] <ochosi> as i said, we need it for lightdm and all anyway
[11:59] <knome> i'd need to have a bug
[11:59] <knome> to get a UIFe
[11:59] <ochosi> report one ;)
[11:59] <knome> ...
[11:59] <knome> i can handle the UIFe, if you can handle the bug
[11:59] <knome> or find somebody that does
[11:59] <knome> :P
[11:59] <ochosi> nah, you don't get me so easily! :)
[12:00] <knome> i need to go soon anyway
[12:00] <mips1911> Any news on Bug #1039375 ?
[12:01] <knome> not that i know of
[12:01] <ochosi> knome: i'll do a plymouth animation for 13.04, i don't need the extra stress now. so let's just get that circleless wallpaper in
[12:01] <knome> ochosi, well, the bug is simple: just say we need the wallpaper for lightdm and plymouth ;]
[12:01] <knome> ochosi, and add patches ;]
[12:01] <ochosi> knome: yeah, so go report it ;)
[12:02] <knome> haha
[12:02] <knome> yeah
[12:02] <knome> i need to go
[12:02] <ochosi> cya
[12:02] <knome> i'll put that on my "get somebody to do" list
[12:02] <ochosi> seriously, that sounds like more effort than just reporting that bug yourself
[12:02] <ochosi> but go ahead, it's your life :]
[12:02] <knome> lol, the patches don't
[12:03] <knome> i also want to make the community feel as if they belong here
[12:03] <knome> so they'd better do something >:)
[12:03] <knome> i mean, it's a small thing yeah, but it's something anybody can do.
[12:03] <ochosi> "as if" -> as in: they _in fact_ don't belong :D
[12:03] <knome> haha
[12:03] <knome> ;)
[12:03] <ochosi> k, hf!
[12:04] <knome> you just gave up my "little" secret...
[12:04] <knome> oh noes!
[12:04] <knome> well i'm not in a too much hurry
[12:04] <knome> just didn't want to file the bug now
[12:07] <knome> but yeah, see you later
[12:07] <knome> ->
[13:11] <micahg> knome: 705/691 :)
[16:15] <ochosi> yes, ubiquity finally looks alright again
[16:23] <ochosi> knome: the abiword screenshot is still old in ubiquity
[16:24] <pnarciso> hello all
[16:24] <ochosi> hi pnarciso
[16:25] <pnarciso> I've noticed that iso are finally at 705mb
[16:26] <pnarciso> what was removed?
[16:26] <Unit193> gimp
[16:26] <pnarciso> only gimp
[16:27] <Unit193> That was the main thing, they've been trimming everything they could hunt down.
[16:29] <micahg> gimp, gnumeric, mahjongg, and some languages and fonts on amd64
[16:30] <ochosi> hey micahg
[16:30] <micahg> hi ochosi
[16:32] <Unit193> Ah, gnumeric is another bigger application.
[16:33] <ochosi> i guess since we've removed gnumeric we have to update the installer-slideshow
[16:33] <pnarciso> We have the option to install them later, so no bug deal
[16:33] <pnarciso> We have the option to install them later, so no big deal
[16:34] <ochosi> yes, but we're still informing ppl about the default setup
[16:34] <ochosi> in the installer-slideshow
[16:34] <ochosi> otherwise we could also inform them about rhythmbox or libreoffice
[16:34] <pnarciso> yes
[16:35] <pnarciso> USC was fixed today
[16:35] <pnarciso> it's functional again
[16:39] <pnarciso> window border are still broken though, xserver 1.13 official still have the bug
[16:39] <ochosi> yes, i'm considering to push the workaround soon
[16:41] <pnarciso> partitions still appear duplicated on thunar and desktop
[16:45] <bluesabre_> ochosi: Your workaround being the 2px window borders, or have you found another fix?
[16:45] <ochosi> bluesabre_: yeah, that.
[16:45] <ochosi> bluesabre_: i'll first try more elaborate versions/combinations of using the transparent outer-pixel
[16:45] <ochosi> maybe i can find a way to get it working
[16:45] <ochosi> but i'm rather pessimistic tbh
[16:45] <bluesabre_> That might be an interesting approach
[16:45] <bluesabre_> :D
[16:46] <ochosi> well, the weird thing is that for the bottom it works
[16:46] <ochosi> i already use the transparent px there
[16:46] <ochosi> but for right and left it creates those corruptions
[16:46] <bluesabre_> ah, gotcha
[16:52] <ochosi> i think i might've to increase the border around the whole thing to make it look ok
[16:54] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09112012-065413pm.php
[16:55] <pnarciso> top and bottom must be increased
[17:02] <bluesabre_> Wow, it would be nice if they fixed the xserver bug :)
[18:22] <knome> ochosi, yeah
[18:22] <knome> ochosi, true dat (the screenshot)
[18:22] <knome> and documentation too, but that i already mentally knew
[18:27] <knome> http://typewith.me/p/x-q-beta2-prep
[18:34] <elfy> knome - are there any other changes to see than removing gnumeric?
[18:34] <elfy> s/seed
[18:34] <knome> we removed gimp and gnumeric
[18:35] <knome> those are the big changes
[18:35] <knome> in addition, we dropped mahjongg, two languages (fr+xh) and korean fonts
[18:35] <knome> that brought us under 700 on i386
[18:35] <knome> still a few megs oversized on amd64
[18:36] <elfy> ok - just going to go through the new docs for gnumeric/gimp then
[18:36] <knome> ok, thanks
[18:36] <knome> i should get started with the docs conversion to docbook
[18:36] <knome> if anybody wants to help...
[18:36] <knome> (it's just xml, and the syntax is really easy to grasp, maybe could work on it together on a pad or so)
[18:37]  * elfy has never ever looked at it - nor xml
[18:37] <knome> well, it's easy to to grasp, if you're familiar even with (x)html only
[18:38] <elfy> sorry - you'd spend more time showing me I suspect
[18:38] <knome> i don't think so :D
[18:38] <knome> converting takes a human age.. ;)
[18:38] <elfy> lol
[18:38] <elfy> if I could pick it up then I'll look
[18:38] <knome> let's say copy-pasting stuff to the pad would help a bunch :D
[18:39] <knome> let's see if i'm up to it sometime when you are online
[18:39] <elfy> oh right - I expect I can manage that
[18:39] <knome> the good thing is that the docs won't build if there are errors ;)
[18:39] <knome> so we *will* get it right
[18:39] <elfy> okey doke - I'm busy tomorrow - but other than that I'm mostly about
[18:39] <knome> okay, good to know
[18:40] <knome> don't want to pour too much on your glass, but don't want to burn out myself either :D
[18:40] <elfy> ping me - if I'm about I'll answer
[18:40] <elfy> #ubuntuforums is a good place to look for me if I am not here
[18:40] <knome> mm-hmm
[18:40] <elfy> yep - I understand
[18:40] <knome> i'll find you by your nick when the night falls >:)
[18:41] <elfy> :)
[18:45] <elfy> you want to remove references to either completely - or just word it "you can install" instead of "installed by default"
[18:45] <elfy> knome: ^^
[18:46] <knome> maybe "you can install" for gnumeric, but remove completely for gimp
[18:46] <elfy> ok
[19:08] <elfy> knome: did gimp - gnumeric was just done it seems
[19:09] <knome> elfy, heh, ok :)
[19:09] <knome> thanks
[19:21] <SkippersBoss> i do have some uses
[19:23] <elfy> I saw that :)


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[15:18] <nunya> I'm not sure why but I ca't adjust volume in fullscreen games. I have Googled it and found many reporting the same issue but no solutions. Please help.
[15:21] <nunya> I have tried joining #ubuntu which was listed as the official support channel only to get a message that I've tried to join an unavailable channel. I figured since Canadians are nice people they may help me.


[00:03] <cjohnston> everyones trying to find daker today
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> Where's waldo?
[02:28] <mhall119> cjohnston: he must know we have work for him, he's been avoiding us ;)
[04:43] <cjohnston> lol
[07:13] <bkerensa> Good Night folks!
[07:18] <jono> night bkerensa
[07:20] <dholbach> hey jono
[07:20] <jono> morning dholbach
[07:21] <jono> what is the username/pass for the youtube account?
[07:21] <jono> you can msg me it
[07:30] <dholbach> jono, philipballew.wordpress.com/?p=171 - we are ubuntu
[07:31] <jono> dholbach, yeah, I saw that
[07:32] <dholbach> did you see https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_4v4jLr8sZk/TrnZee43RAI/AAAAAAAACwo/mIqW9fucs9c/w352/uosocial.jpg too? it's been making the rounds on g+ :)
[07:32] <jono> oh yeah, that is sweet@
[07:32] <jono> oh yeah, that is sweet!
[07:34] <jono> man I am digging having multiple monitors
[07:35] <dholbach> do you use workspaces as well?
[07:35] <jono> yup
[07:36] <jono> dholbach, can you send me the link to the wiki page of things we ask people to work on at the jams
[07:37] <dholbach> in the past we listed stuff on the individual subpages of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[07:37] <dholbach> but I think in the call we decided to put it all up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam - right?
[07:37] <jono> yup
[07:37] <jono> I will use that link
[08:02] <jono> dholbach, could you take a few mins today to tidy up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam a little
[08:02] <jono> it looks mostly fine, but could do with a bit of simplification
[08:02] <dholbach> ok
[08:02] <jono> thanks, pal
[08:11] <dpm> good morning!
[08:12] <benonsoftware> Hello dpm :)
[08:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:14] <dpm> hey benonsoftware, hey czajkowski :)
[08:15] <czajkowski> dpm: hey, how are things with you ?
[08:16] <dholbach> hey Gwaihir, ara, dpm, czajkowski, benonsoftware, MrChrisDruif - how are you all doing?
[08:17] <Gwaihir> hey dholbach! doing good here :-)
[08:17] <Gwaihir> what about you?
[08:17] <ara> good thanks!
[08:17] <MrChrisDruif> dholbach; I'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking. How about yourself?
[08:17] <benonsoftware> dholbach: Ok I guess, yourself?
[08:17] <dpm> czajkowski, good, happy that the cold wave hasn't really caught on in Valencia :)
[08:18] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, 3 wanting to know how it is going with dholbach...so spit it out already ;-)
[08:18] <dpm> how's everything going for you?
[08:18] <MrChrisDruif> 4 now =P
[08:18] <dpm> morgen dholbach
[08:18] <dholbach> I'm doing alright :)
[08:19] <dholbach> got a bit earlier today to have a call with the dev news team (folks from from West Coast US to Sydney)
[08:19] <dholbach> but it didn't happen - we'll meet tomorrow
[08:19] <dholbach> so I've been reorganising my TODO list a bit instead
[08:19]  * benonsoftware is happy seeing the word Sydney :P
[08:20] <dholbach> yeah, 7UTC is around the only sane time to have a call with folks from Portland, Berlin and Sydney :)
[08:21] <dholbach> to fully get up to speed I'm listening to a new mixtape I made - music always helps :)
[08:22] <benonsoftware> :P
[08:42] <MrChrisDruif> I'd love to hear your work dholbach
[08:43] <dholbach> MrChrisDruif, I uploaded a few mixes here: http://www.mixcloud.com/dholbach/
[08:44] <MrChrisDruif> Al right, I'll have listen later. Prolly tomorrow ^_^
[09:20] <alourie> good morning
[09:21] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha alourie
[09:21] <alourie> hey MrChrisDruif
[09:21] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going alourie ?
[09:21] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: hectic and fun
[09:21] <alourie> you?
[09:22] <MrChrisDruif> Seems about right, also a bit tired
[09:25] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: it's quite late for you, isn't it?
[09:25]  * alourie has almost noon locally
[09:25] <MrChrisDruif> Well if you think 10:25AM is late, then yes ^_^
[09:26] <MrChrisDruif> I'm from Holland ;-) CET, which equates to UTC+1
[09:26] <alourie> AH
[09:26] <alourie> that's betetr
[09:26] <alourie> *better rather
[09:27] <MrChrisDruif> Rather better? =P
[09:27] <alourie> :-)
[09:35] <MrChrisDruif> alourie; In which country do you live?
[09:35] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: Israel, currently
[09:36] <alourie> so I'm an hour ahead of you
[09:36] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, nice. What's the weather there? ^_^
[09:36] <alourie> it's weird
[09:36] <alourie> not raining, but sort of cloudy
[09:36] <alourie> and probably a lot of dust in the air...
[09:36] <alourie> so it seems
[09:37] <alourie> ah, and ~ +17C
[09:37] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe...seems like a good spring day...FOR HOLLAND =P
[09:38] <alourie> more like summer :-)
[09:38] <MrChrisDruif> Currently sunny and ~ -13C
[09:38] <alourie> wow!
[09:38] <MrChrisDruif> No, summer would be +23 or something
[09:38] <alourie> ah
[09:38] <alourie> that's a nice spring day here
[09:38] <MrChrisDruif> That's why I said for Holland ^_^
[09:39] <alourie> yea
[09:39] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm off to my parents and stuff...going to do some ice-skating ^_^
[09:40] <alourie> MrChrisDruif: great, have a nice one :-)
[09:40] <alourie> I'll get back to work
[09:40] <MrChrisDruif> Al right, have a good workday
[09:40] <alourie> thanks
[12:37] <dholbach> can the email address on https://launchpad.net/~forum-council please be updated?
[14:06] <jcastro_> buenas mornings
[14:10] <mhall119> good morning
[14:14] <nigelb> Bonjour
[14:47] <jcastro> ^^ I hate that guy
[14:53] <snap-l> ?
[14:54] <dholbach> I'll move the artwork from the UGJ page to a separate one
[14:54] <dholbach> Jono asked me to clean up the pages a bit
[15:11] <mhall119> dholbach: the wiki pages?
[15:11] <dholbach> yes
[15:55] <dholbach> jono, oi bacon! :)
[15:55] <jono> oi oi, savaloy!
[15:56] <jono> dpm, balloons, dholbach, jcastro, mhall119 IRC meeting in 5
[15:56] <dpm> jono, all set!
[15:56] <dholbach> yeehaw
[15:57] <jono> :-)
[15:57] <balloons> double time.. fun fun
[15:58] <jono> lol
[16:00] <jono> alright
[16:00] <jono> meetingology, help
[16:00] <meetingology> jono: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[16:00] <jono> lol
[16:00] <jono> how do I start a meeting again?
[16:00] <jono> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <jono> alright, welcome to the Canonical Community Team meeting!
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, dpm, balloons, jcastro, mhall119 - I hope you are all ready :-)
[16:01] <dholbach> I wonder what #unlurk does...
[16:01] <dholbach> #unlurk
[16:01] <dholbach> hm
[16:01] <jcastro> I am!
[16:01] <dholbach> sorry, could not resist :-P
[16:01] <jcastro> is today G+ day or IRC day?
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, devastating
[16:02] <jono> jcastro, today is always IRC
[16:02] <balloons> #lurk
[16:02] <jono> I am not sure why there is confusion :-)
[16:02] <jcastro> excellent! I mean, uh oh!
[16:02] <jono> Tue: IRC
[16:02] <balloons> #unlurk
[16:02] <jono> Wed: G+
[16:02] <jono> :-)
[16:02] <balloons> ?
[16:02] <jcastro> jono: at some point mhall got me all backwards
[16:02] <jcastro> now I am worthless
[16:02] <jono> classic mhall119
[16:02] <dholbach> balloons, probably safe to ignore ;-)
[16:02] <jono> ok, dholbach, want to kick off
[16:02] <jono> ?
[16:02] <dholbach> sure
[16:02] <dholbach> it's been a while since I was in our last meeting, so here goes:
[16:03] <dholbach> bah, I can't copy from tomboy
[16:03] <technoviking> morning all
[16:03] <jono> hey technoviking
[16:03] <dholbach> • UDW: finalised schedule, wrote session descriptions, sent preparation notes to speakers, announced, held UDW, gave 2 sessions, summary blogging and general propaganda!$
[16:03] <dholbach> • Canonical: discussed with Olli how I could help the PS team with getting more involved in Ubuntu development.
[16:03] <dholbach> • Dev News: got another two updates out together with bkerensa, moved next issue planning to trello, planned a call with new contributors to the team.
[16:04] <dholbach> • Dev Advisory team: added lots of people to our trello, reached out to lots of almost-applicants.
[16:04] <dholbach> • Dev data: investigated broken entries together with Laney. Wrote script to extract data from DB.
[16:04] <dholbach> • ubuntu.com/developer: discussion of new content.
[16:04] <dholbach> • Blueprints: reviewed outstanding actions with everyone.
[16:04] <dholbach> • Dev docs: reviewed update of the look, some licensing issues need looking into, almost there.
[16:05] <dholbach> • Harvest: uncovered two additional issues: bug 922569, 922570. Got them deployed, Harvest is now working again. Also got Fedora patches back in!
[16:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 922569 in harvest "'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf3' in position 86: ordinal not in range(128)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922569
[16:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 922570 in harvest "psycopg2.ProgrammingError: can't adapt" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922570
[16:05] <dholbach> • Graphs: talked with Michael Hall about Unity stats and merged a couple of changes of his.
[16:05] <dholbach> ^ mhall119 took over. :)
[16:05] <dholbach> • UGJ: simplified UGJ page.
[16:05] <technoviking> whoops meeting sorry
[16:05] <dholbach> • Sponsorship: piloted myself, announced Sponsorship Friday.
[16:05] <dholbach> • ARB: talked with David about packaging problems regarding /opt requirement.
[16:06] <dholbach> • Misc: mail catchup, upgraded my  desktop to precise too, all nice and dandy.
[16:06] <dholbach> Lots of other small stuff I didn't note down, as usual. :)
[16:06] <jono> dholbach always pilots himself
[16:06] <jono> :-)
[16:06] <dholbach>  /ignore jono
[16:06] <dholbach> "oops"
[16:06] <jono> lol
[16:06] <jono> cool, any questions for dholbach?
[16:06] <jcastro> \o/
[16:06] <jcastro> well done!
[16:07] <jono> nice, dholbach :-)
[16:07] <jono> dpm, ready to roll?
[16:07] <dpm> yes sir!
[16:07]  * jono high-fives dpm
[16:08]  * dpm ^5's too
[16:08] <dpm> So I still had some notes I wrote down for last meeting, which didn't happen, so I'll just post them to pretend I've done more work than I actually did this week...
[16:08] <dpm> Previous week:
[16:08] <dpm> - Published the new Software Centre banners for Oneiric - Oil Rush, Corebreach, And Yet It Moves
[16:08] <jono> haha
[16:08] <dpm> ;-)
[16:08] <jcastro> (oilrush looks so good.)
[16:09] <mhall119> AYIM is fun
[16:09] <dpm> they're all awesome
[16:09] <dpm> - Wrote featured apps blog post on developer.ubuntu.com - http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/01/featured-ubuntu-software-centre-apps-for-january-2012/
[16:09] <dpm> - Wrote a new section on developer.ubuntu.com on how to update existing apps - http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/updating-your-app/
[16:09] <dpm> - Had a chat with TLE about creating a django webapp to allow translators to upload localized images for ubuntu docs. He already has got a working webapp, and he's waiting to host it somewhere. I set up a Canonistack server, but got stuck at using juju with a django charm
[16:09] <dpm> - Call with balloons to discuss creating a lightweight set of tests on the wiki for localized images
[16:10] <dpm> - Contacted Eidete devs to submit their apps in the Software Centre
[16:10] <dpm> - Had a chat with wendar on how to collaborate with upstream regarding the creation of GTK API docs
[16:10] <dpm> - Quick chat with dholbach to sort out the license of theme files on d.u.c
[16:10] <dpm> - Started digging out old translations interview posts on the Fridge to copy them to the translations portal
[16:10] <dpm> - Contacted a bunch of people to update the status or finish community work items
[16:10] <dpm> - Added links to the source code for all APIs on developer.ubuntu.com
[16:11] <dpm> - Call with knitsche about the Complete Simplified Chinese Desktop project - waiting for reply from managers about the plan as discussed at UDS
[16:11] <dpm>
[16:11] <dpm> Last week
[16:11] <dpm> - Coordinated fix for bug 914667 (i.e. published apps remain as QA pending in the ARB queue) with mvo and achuni
[16:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 914667 in developer-portal "Packages in the ARB process should go directly to Published without going to "Ready to Publish"" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914667
[16:11] <dpm> - Created the ubuntu-app-review-contributors team for any members wanting to contribute to reviewing apps without being part of the board - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-app-review-contributors
[16:12] <dpm> Got one member already, if anyone else is interested to help reviewing apps, let me know!
[16:12] <dpm> - Created a report on the current status of the ARB queue https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/QueueReviewFeb2012Week1
[16:12] <dpm> - Spent some time off-work to learn about packaging to be more effective (or at least knowledgeable) in helping the ARB. Packaged the http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/+junk/qml-memory-game/changes app from Naba Kumar with help from dholbach - thanks!
[16:12] <dholbach> de nada
[16:12] <dpm> - Conversations with kyleN, mvo and gekker about the 'Complete Simplified Chinese Desktop translation' project. Answered questions, created a calendar with milestones and proposed schedule
[16:12] <dpm> :)
[16:13] <dpm> - UDW session on bringing your apps to Ubuntu. It was fun, had lots of questions, and I think for the first time ever I didn't have the time to finish the content due to the questions!
[16:13] <dpm> - Got reminded by an e-mail from the People & Culture department that soon it'll be my 3rd year at Canonical - time flies when you're having fun at work ;-)
[16:13] <jono> woo!
[16:13] <dpm> :-)
[16:13] <jcastro> jawesome!
[16:13] <dpm> and that's my update for today
[16:15] <dpm> questions anyone?
[16:15] <jono> alrighty
[16:15] <jono> any questions?
[16:16] <dholbach> not from me
[16:16] <jono> ok!
[16:16] <mhall119> nor me
[16:16] <jcastro> nor me, nice job!
[16:16] <jono> jcastro, you are up
[16:16] <jcastro> allright!
[16:16] <jcastro> GOOD MOURNING!
[16:16] <mhall119> mourning?
[16:16] <jcastro> ok I will not be pastebinning this report
[16:16] <mhall119> mourning what?
[16:17] <jcastro> Alright, first up, juju events
[16:17] <jcastro> http://juju.ubuntu.com/Events
[16:18] <jcastro> we've coordinated all our submissions, CFPs, tshirts, charm school, etc.
[16:18] <jcastro> I am currently looking for someone who might be interested in covering Europe
[16:18] <jcastro> so if you're going to a European cloud event, let me know!
[16:18] <jcastro> We're also planning our 2nd ever webinar on March 8th (details not solid yet, so it's unannounced)
[16:19] <jcastro> this will be a more formal virtual charm school
[16:19] <jcastro> with myself and Clint
[16:19] <jcastro> new charms this week, Keystone (openstack) and the launchpad oops tool
[16:19] <jcastro> just in case you want to run oops at home, now you can!
[16:19] <jcastro> this week I will be concentrating on 2 things:
[16:19] <jcastro> a) smoothing out charm review submissions (which shouldn't be hard, it's pretty lightweight)
[16:20] <jcastro> and b) Generating slides and handouts and stuff for the Charm Schools themselves
[16:20] <jcastro> Other things:
[16:20] <jcastro> Linking up with IS and ISD with the forums council to make sure the forum upgrade process is rolling forward
[16:20] <jcastro> the test server should hit 4.x this week!
[16:21] <jono> awesome!
[16:21] <jcastro> and that's the major ones, my day-to-day stuff is here: https://trello.com/board/juju-growth/4ec1696da3f94bd2ea5b2b01 and https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1
[16:21] <jcastro> if you want the details
[16:21] <jcastro> that's all I got, smoke if you got em
[16:22] <jono> questions, folks?
[16:22] <mhall119> jcastro: dpm: what's the state of juju for django?
[16:23] <jcastro> not very good
[16:23] <jcastro> well, let me rephrase, good, just not working
[16:23] <jcastro> needs a review/bugfix/once over
[16:23] <mhall119> is that because it's a framework, not an app, or does it just need some extra polish?
[16:23] <jcastro> It'll be on my next hitlist.
[16:23] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, it needs work, and noodles will not be working on it anytime soon, so it needs to be adopted
[16:23] <jcastro> yeah so he was working on it, then not, and it just needs to be brought up to speed and make sure it works, etc.
[16:24] <mhall119> have you talked to stuartm about getting ISD to adopt it?
[16:24] <jcastro> oooh, should I?
[16:24] <mhall119> they're not in the cloud yet, but I know they were looking at improving their devops toolbox
[16:24] <jcastro> ok, I'll take that item on then and ping him
[16:25] <mhall119> cool
[16:25] <jono> ok
[16:25] <jono> balloons, you are up next :-)
[16:26] <jono> balloons, ?
[16:26] <balloons> kk
[16:27] <balloons> here we go
[16:27] <balloons> helped place call for HUD testing
[16:28] <balloons> helped place a call for unity testing, resulting in good feedback and  bug fixing for unity team
[16:28] <balloons> spoke with Tedg and pitti about testing from ubuntu-bug and ppa's, how to fix the issue with reporting bugs we noticed in the initial calls for testing
[16:28] <balloons> used those experiences and new knowledgebase to put together new workflow for testing, to be put to test very soon :-)
[16:29] <balloons> also spoke with tedg about internal workflows and discussed how projects do QA and use launchpad
[16:29] <balloons> put together ubuntu QA landscape document to document the different QA teams and began work and soliciting feedback on how QA is structured
[16:30] <balloons> follow-up with case conductor folks and prep for pilot release
[16:30] <balloons> plan new requirements for case conductor with Cam and gema
[16:30] <balloons> help with udw session planning -- we have several QA related sessions, including one from cprofitt on ubuntu "problem" lifecycle
[16:30] <balloons> I think that's it from me ;-)
[16:31] <jono> alright
[16:31] <jono> any questions for balloons?
[16:31] <jcastro> nice work over there balloons
[16:31] <jcastro> o/
[16:32] <mhall119> balloons: I couldn't get checkbox-unity to run under a guest session
[16:32] <mhall119> is that a known issue?
[16:32] <balloons> ohh really?
[16:32] <mhall119> it wanted sudo, but the guest account didn't have it
[16:32] <balloons> no it's recommended you run it under guest account actually
[16:32] <mhall119> hmmm, I got the password dialog, and that's as far as I could go
[16:33] <jono> balloons, what is the current status of the Case Conductor pilot?
[16:35] <jono> balloons, helloooo!
[16:35] <jono> :-)
[16:35] <balloons> i type slow
[16:35] <balloons> hehe
[16:35] <jono> lol
[16:36] <balloons> current status is that we're ready to roll out the pilot, and want to test chamr this week..
[16:36] <jono> ok cool
[16:36] <balloons> case conductor is in sort of a beta like status I would call it. depending on what we find, we could actually have folks using the software
[16:36] <balloons> but we can definitely test the charm again and I want to do so
[16:36] <jono> any ETA when we can get something for the community to play with?
[16:37] <jcastro> stefano will look at charming it tonight, but a bunch of it has been waiting for it to actually work
[16:37] <jono> ok cool
[16:37] <jono> alright
[16:37] <jcastro> (not as a dig to upstream but it's close)
[16:37] <balloons> sometime between now and March :-) if the charm looks good when we deploy again, possibly sooner
[16:37] <jono> balloons, sweet
[16:37] <jono> mhall119, you are up next
[16:38] <mhall119> alright, I'm going to do as dpm did, and cover some things from our missed week
[16:38] <dpm> that's the spirit
[16:38] <jono> :-)
[16:38] <mhall119> - Created HUD documentation on the wiki the day it was announced
[16:39] <mhall119> - Worked out details of a patch pilot program for DX with Tim.  He wanted more info from our statistics, which led to...
[16:39] <mhall119> - Create more merge proposal stats, borrowing heavily from udd-sponsorship-stats
[16:39] <mhall119> and
[16:40] <mhall119> - Taking over partial control of unity-stats from dholbach, moving it into an actual lp project (unity-stats), with an actual team (unity-stat-dev)
[16:40] <dholbach> good work
[16:40] <mhall119> and also inviting members of DX to be part of that team, so they can contribute to gathering unity stats
[16:41] <mhall119> - Reached out to XBMC developers, per jcastro's discussions with them at SCaLE, to make sure they know we're not competing with them, and want to work with them as much as possible
[16:42] <mhall119> - Created a formal report for SUMO as an option for help.ubuntu.com
[16:42] <mhall119> balloons: ^^ You might be interested in that, since many of the mozilla technologies probably are the same in Case Conductor
[16:43] <mhall119> - Created a set of recommendations around the creation of Unity lenses, to try and keep then content-centric and prevent the proliferation of per-source lenses
[16:43] <mhall119> - Createde an outline for cleaning up unity.ubuntu.com/get-involved
[16:44] <mhall119> - Got singlet upgraded to Unity 5, packaged and (almost) into Universe with kenvandine's help
[16:45] <mhall119> - Contacted a Gnome intern who is working on GTG improvements, she had mentioned wanting to make a GTG unity lens in her blog, will be working with her to try and bring that about
[16:46] <mhall119> - Held 2.5 sessions for UDW! \o/
[16:46] <jono> \o/
[16:46] <mhall119> - Created a list of the most popular apps to target for better Unity integration
[16:46]  * dholbach hugs mhall119
[16:47] <jcastro> he's unstoppable
[16:47] <mhall119> - Work with Will Cooke on the TV team, preparing for opening it up to more community involvement
[16:48] <mhall119> - Discussed with the ARB about allowing separate packages for scopes and lenses to depend on eachother in the extras repo (escalated to the technical board now)
[16:48] <dpm> mhall119, ah, I was going to ask about that: I haven't followed the discussion of relaxing requirements for lenses in extras.u.c outside of what's been said on the ARB mailing list. Has there been any interesting reply from the TB?
[16:48] <jono> dpm, not yet
[16:48] <mhall119> not from the TB, no
[16:49] <dpm> no worries, thanks for the update
[16:49] <mhall119> - Created a list of known Lenses/Scopes for Unity (nearly 60 of them!), and identifying which ones are ready for sending to the ARB (pending resolution of the package dependencies mentioned above)
[16:50] <mhall119> - Brought up the lack of BAMF documentation with DX, bugs already exist to resolve it, but it's on someone's TODO list now
[16:50] <mhall119> that's it for me, any questions?
[16:51] <jcastro> hey so out of the 60 lenses
[16:51] <jcastro> how many are you targetting to hit USC for 12.04?
[16:51] <jcastro> (I am assuming they're not all complete)
[16:52] <mhall119> 16 are currently compatible with Unity 5
[16:52] <mhall119> 4 are already in USC for oneiric, so those should be easy
[16:52] <jono> ok, I am going to go now as we need to wrap soon
[16:52] <jono> and I have another call
[16:52] <mhall119> the rest need packaging, david calle is going to work on a "template packaging branch" until we have something better in quickly
[16:52] <jono> thanks mhall119!
[16:53] <jono>  * Burndown is looking great: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-community.html
[16:53] <jono>  * App devs:
[16:53] <jono>     - Trying to free up web dev resources to focus on developer.ubuntu.com. Unlikely, so the site is being put into maintenance mode.
[16:53] <jono>     - Working with David and the ARB to refine the process.
[16:53] <jono>     - Coordinating with the Consumer Apps Team around how we can expedite apps through the review process,
[16:53] <jono>  * Upstreams:
[16:53] <jono>     - Working to get an exception to the extras dependency rule to unblock lenses and scopes going into the software center.
[16:53] <jono>     - Got the metrics put in place for tracking Unity community growth.
[16:53] <jono>     - Working with Michael around getting a new IA in place for unity.ubuntu.com.
[16:53] <jono>     - Working with Michael and the DX team to put a patch pilot scheme in place to get the merge proposals reviewed on a regular cadence.
[16:54] <jono>     - Defined key upstream targets for Unity integration and support.
[16:54] <jono>  * QA Strategy:
[16:54] <jono>     - Working with Nick to put together a refined QA community structure proposal.
[16:54] <jono>     - Creating a repeatable process for Nick to deliver testing around key components (e.g. Unity) and deliver a dashboard of testing results.
[16:54] <jono>  * Devs:
[16:54] <jono>     - Re-focusing a little more on dev growth and getting the sponsorship queue in place.
[16:54] <jono>     - Worked with Daniel to get the metrics in place.
[16:54] <jono>  * Juju:
[16:54] <jono>     - Coordinating around some expectations of growth.
[16:54] <jono>     - Coordinating Mark Shuttleworth keynotes for OSCON / Velocity.
[16:55] <jono>  * Ubuntu Global Jam:
[16:55] <jono>     - Organized a meeting to get the jam going rolling.
[16:55] <jono>     - Created and released a video for how to organize an event: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/07/ubuntu-global-jam-call-for-events-2/
[16:55] <jono>     - Created some mock-ups for the event page and a community dashboard on the weekend of the event - Michael is on these.
[16:55] <jono>  * Testing:
[16:55] <jono>     - Testing the HUD, Unity 5.x, Ubuntu One, and a frustrating Intel wireless bug.
[16:55] <jono>  * Worked on the Ubuntu Accomplishments Spec:
[16:55] <jono>     - A furious week of hacking - I spent all last weekend and every evening getting weird and obsessed about this project.
[16:55] <jono>     - I now have a fully working prototype. Just need to finish pulling some pieces together.
[16:55] <jono>     - I need people to help write some scripts to query Launchpad for accomplishments! Email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you can help! :-)
[16:56] <jono>  * UDS:
[16:56] <jono>     - Finalized sponsorship plans and announced it.
[16:56] <jono>     - Starting to review UDS plans and gathering stake-holder requirements.
[16:56] <jono>  * Working on a I Make Ubuntu design brief with the design team.
[16:56] <jono>  * Various Canonical community consultancy projects: OEM Team, Parternerships team. Helping the community to flow like a river. :-)
[16:56] <jono>  * Provided some community growth data for the Canonical Quarterly Business Review - things are looking good.
[16:56] <jono>  * Worked on some clarifications around Canonical not sponsoring Jonathan Riddell to work on Kubuntu anymore.
[16:56] <jono>  * Various other bits...
[16:56] <jono> any final questions before I need to run?
[16:56] <dholbach> not from me :)
[16:57] <dpm> jono, so you had to have points and subpoints in your notes... you showoff!
[16:57] <jono> lol
[16:57] <mhall119> re: the developer portal, is there anything that needs doing that the community can contribute to?
[16:57] <dpm> mhall119, yes,
[16:57] <jono> mhall119, it might be a good idea for dpm to prepare a list of things the community could contribute to
[16:57] <mhall119> cool
[16:58] <dpm> mhall119, we're going to be focusing on maintenance, so there are a bunch of web bugs someone with web dev experience could tackle
[16:58]  * mhall119 knows people with web dev experience ;)
[16:58] <dpm> happy to prepare a list of things the community can do
[16:58] <dpm> :-)
[16:58] <jcastro> heh
[16:58] <jono> ok folks, cool
[16:58] <jono> I have to prep for my next call
[16:58] <jono> thanks for the meeting!
[16:58] <jono> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb  7 16:58:57 2012 UTC.
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-02-07-16.00.moin.txt
[16:58] <jcastro> technoviking: can you push what you had for the phpbb charm to launchpad?
[16:59] <jcastro> I can finish off that badboy
[16:59] <balloons> hey dholbach,mhall119 i was hoping you could help sme with some launchpad metrics
[17:00] <dholbach> balloons, what are you looking for?
[17:00] <balloons> if I have a bu-tag, can you give me some pretty graphs about it? like # of bugs reported, who reported bugs, etc etc
[17:00] <mhall119> balloons: you can probably re-use parts of lp:unity-stats
[17:01] <balloons> ohh where can i see unity-stats in action?
[17:01] <mhall119> it has graphs for bugs taged as 'bitesize' for example
[17:01] <dholbach> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/unity-stats/
[17:02] <balloons> yes.. good stuff.. not sure what all I want to graph.. but essentially I'm wanting to get a set of good metrics after we do a round of testing on something like.. say unity :-)
[17:02] <jcastro> mhall119: ahhh dude, Contribution Wait time is clutch
[17:02] <mhall119> clutch?
[17:03] <jcastro> key, "awesome".
[17:03] <mhall119> I need to check that graph, it doesn't seem to be changing as much as it should...
[17:03] <jcastro> sorry my vocabulary isn't working for you today
[17:03] <jcastro> mhall119: "Good Mourning" is a metal thing.
[17:03] <mhall119> I'm not as hip as you, jcastro :)
[17:03] <jcastro> it's like, morning, but brutal, so it becomes mourning.
[17:03] <jcastro> keep up son
[17:04]  * mhall119 can't keep up with you kids and your fancy slang
[17:04] <mhall119> and your loud music
[17:04] <jcastro> hey so anyway, do you guys think we still need a mini sprint?
[17:04] <balloons> fo siszle
[17:04] <mhall119> need or want?
[17:04] <jcastro> from your reports it sounds like you guys are doing way better than me anyway. :)
[17:04] <dholbach> oh yeah, what about the team sprint in Cairo?
[17:05] <mhall119> wha?
[17:05] <dholbach> we've been talking about it forever but never did it
[17:05] <balloons> so jcastro I was double meeting so a bit out of it for our team meeting.. do you know stefano's schedule this week?
[17:05] <jcastro> I would love that
[17:05] <jcastro> balloons: he should be free during his non-work time
[17:05] <jcastro> balloons: I think once he gets it running the charm will be trivial
[17:05] <balloons> it should be trivial at this point
[17:05] <balloons> I'd like to just circle back and hit the go button again.. in theory, it should *just work*
[17:11] <cjohnston> 3/10
[17:13] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:13] <dholbach> HUGS
[17:14]  * balloons hugs dholbach
[17:14] <dholbach> :)
[17:14] <dholbach> there is a new beta of xwax I have to play with :)
[17:15] <cjohnston> o/
[17:20] <jcastro> anyone know offhand when the next america's board is?
[17:28] <czajkowski> this week some time?
[17:28] <czajkowski> I know EMEA is tonight
[17:29] <czajkowski> jcastro: 16th Feburary is America
[17:29] <jcastro> ta
[17:29] <czajkowski> np
[17:29] <czajkowski> had to check mail/wiki
[17:34] <czajkowski> pretty sure I'm going to bounce about the living room
[17:34] <czajkowski> not able to sit :D
[17:34] <mhall119> :)
[17:43] <jcastro> czajkowski: congrats!
[17:44] <czajkowski> jcastro: Thank you :)
[17:44] <cprofitt> yes, congrats!! Canonical is getting a very dedicated and passionate person!!
[17:50] <nigelb> czajkowski: \o/ What do you oin as? :)
[17:50] <nigelb> *join
[17:50] <balloons> awesome news!
[17:50] <czajkowski> launchpad support specalist
[17:50] <nigelb> Nice!
[17:51] <pangolin> Congrats czajkowski :)
[17:51] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:51] <pangolin> Canonical is taking all of our good people :(
[18:00] <nigelb> "czajkowski deactivated by czajkowski" <3
[18:00] <nigelb> Best thing to see :)
[18:22] <jono> czajkowski, hey!
[18:28] <czajkowski> jono: howdy
[18:28] <cprofitt> nice video jono
[18:29] <jono> thanks cprofitt :-)
[18:31] <koolhead17> jono: what are we supposed to do during the Ubuntu Global Jam: Call For Events!
[18:31] <jono> koolhead17, organize an event :-)
[18:31] <koolhead17> it is notthing formal kind
[18:31] <koolhead17> correct
[18:32] <koolhead17> like register and all
[18:32] <koolhead17> barcamp type
[18:32] <jono> koolhead17, watch the video :-)
[18:32] <koolhead17> and am least interested in registering any LOCO
[18:32]  * koolhead17 checks
[18:35] <mhall119> koolhead17: if you register your event on loco.ubuntu.com, that way we can at least include it in the list of participating locos
[18:35] <nigelb> koolhead17: ohai! I'll be in chennai this weekend! We should meet :)
[18:35] <nigelb> (actually, all of next week too)
[18:36] <koolhead17> nigelb: i will not be in Chennai both weeks unfortunately
[18:36] <nigelb> koolhead17: fun
[18:36] <koolhead17> nigelb: gnunify :P
[18:37] <koolhead17> mhall119: isnt registering at loco a big pain with tonnes of procedures
[18:37]  * koolhead17 checks the website
[18:37] <mhall119> koolhead17: if the loco team already exists in Launchpad, it should already be in loco.ubuntu.com
[18:37] <nigelb> koolhead17: dammit :P
[18:38] <mhall119> then all you need to do is add your global jam event
[18:38] <mhall119> nigelb can help you do that, of course ;)
[18:38] <koolhead17> mhall119: i was more interested in calling a lug session and ubuntufying it
[18:38] <koolhead17> :P
[18:39] <mhall119> koolhead17: as long as you get one other person there and talk about Ubuntu, I'd like to see it represented on the loco portal
[18:40] <koolhead17> mhall119: okey!! then am registering one!! :D
[18:40] <jono> mhall119, what is the status on the website updates?
[18:40] <koolhead17> nigelb: i will be very happy in case you organize one in blr
[18:40] <nigelb> koolhead17: I doubt I have the bandwidth for that.
[18:40] <mhall119> jono: functionality is mostly there, Ronnie is helping me with the layouts
[18:41] <koolhead17> nigelb: where are you working now? mozilla
[18:41] <jono> mhall119, awesome
[18:41] <mhall119> he should be
[18:41] <nigelb> koolhead17: hasgeek.
[18:41] <koolhead17> nigelb: don`t you have life apart from there :P
[18:41]  * koolhead17 hides
[18:41]  * nigelb kicks koolhead17
[18:42] <koolhead17> BTW mhall119 jono i have officially completed 1 year in my workplace and we are all Ubuntu :D
[18:42] <jono> koolhead17, nice!
[18:42] <mhall119> koolhead17: awesome
[18:42] <koolhead17> going to blog soon about it. :D
[18:43]  * koolhead17 has given lots of trouble to Daviey during these time!! :P
[18:44] <mhall119> I'm all for giving trouble to Daviey
[18:44] <nigelb> Yeah, me too.
[18:44] <nigelb> He gave us summit. We haven't yet taken enough revenge for that.
[18:44] <nigelb> 20
[18:44] <nigelb> ugh
[18:46] <koolhead17> nigelb: do we have list of folks who are actively into contributing to Ubuntu from around India? i know only 4 of you so far
[18:46] <balloons> koolhead17, desktop and server ubuntu?
[18:46] <koolhead17> balloons: ubuntu is ubuntu. :)
[18:46]  * koolhead17 is server/cloud guy though
[18:47] <nigelb> koolhead17: No such list.
[18:47] <koolhead17> mhall119: am thinking of posting it to our LUG  mailing list first and then register it to the LOCO sounds good!! :)
[18:48] <czajkowski> koolhead17: as long as it's pushed as an Ubuntu event and not lug fine :)
[18:49] <nigelb> woah. No popey.
[18:49] <czajkowski> he's offline
[18:49] <koolhead17> czajkowski: i been known as Ubuntu pusher in my Lug so not at all an issue!! :P
[18:49] <czajkowski> it happens from time to time
[18:50] <koolhead17> m4n1sh: are you based in blr?
[18:50] <m4n1sh> koolhead17: yes
[18:51] <koolhead17> are you planning to organize one this time? or like nigelb your also stuck with your work
[18:51] <m4n1sh> what is happening
[18:51] <m4n1sh> nigelb: any event?
[18:52] <koolhead17> m4n1sh: i came to know about the global jam
[18:52] <m4n1sh> yup
[18:52] <m4n1sh> in april?
[18:52] <nigelb> I don't have the bandwidth to plan anything.
[18:52] <koolhead17> m4n1sh: 2nd – 4th March 2012 jono blog says
[18:53]  * m4n1sh opens http://www.jonobacon.org/
[18:53] <m4n1sh> yes. I can
[18:53] <m4n1sh> remotely?
[18:53] <m4n1sh> or meeting physically?
[18:54] <koolhead17> m4n1sh: are you thinking to organize similar event in Bangalore to enlighten some fresh blood?
[18:54] <koolhead17> if you need me i can come there on one weekend
[18:54] <koolhead17> ;-)
[18:55] <m4n1sh> I need nigelb help
[18:55] <koolhead17> m4n1sh: nigelb is too busy, ask coolbhavi
[18:55] <koolhead17> he is in blr too
[18:55] <m4n1sh> will try to ask
[18:55] <m4n1sh> cant guarantee
[18:55] <m4n1sh> just recovered
[18:55] <koolhead17> and if i feel need of yours you can come over and stay at my place
[18:55] <m4n1sh> was on medical rest
[18:56] <koolhead17> hmm coolbhavi u mean
[18:56] <m4n1sh> yes, some place would be fine
[18:56] <m4n1sh> no.. me
[18:56] <m4n1sh> i was on rest
[18:56] <m4n1sh> so need some indoor place
[18:56] <m4n1sh> for any work
[18:56] <koolhead17> ooh !! what happ to u
[18:56] <m4n1sh> cant be in open all the time.. dust allergy
[18:56] <m4n1sh> nothign much.. eye surgery
[18:56] <m4n1sh> so dust prevention
[18:56] <m4n1sh> so need indoor location, no cafers etc
[18:56] <m4n1sh> *cafes
[18:57] <koolhead17> mhall119: your suggestion would be appreciated :P
[18:57] <koolhead17> m4n1sh: well you better stay indoor then, these is no road/place AFAIK in india where there be no dust :P
[18:57] <m4n1sh> yup
[19:11] <mhall119> koolhead17: coffee shops, internet cafes, schools, etc
[19:11] <mhall119> all good venues
[19:16] <koolhead17> mhall119: an engg college am aiming at. with nice slide "ABC of Ubuntu contribution"
[20:10] <jcastro> jono: I'd like a G+ sync at your convenience.
[20:10] <jcastro> I need maybe .... 10 ish minutes
[20:14] <jono> jcastro, np
[20:25] <technoviking> jcastro: should have free time later this week to work on the charms
[20:25] <jcastro> \o/
[20:36] <jono> jcastro, can we do Skype?
[20:37] <jcastro> sure.
[20:37] <jono> jcastro, actually, G+ is fine if you like
[20:37]  * jcastro tablets up
[20:37] <jcastro> whatever is fine for me
[20:37] <jono> one sec
[20:37] <czajkowski> mmm pizza
[20:38] <jono> jcastro, lets do Skype, no headset here
[20:38] <jono> I am in the studio
[20:38] <jcastro> cooh
[21:41] <jono> mhall119, do we have an ETA yet on when the UGJ things will land?
[21:43] <mhall119> tomorrow hopefully
[21:44] <mhall119> I have a less than stellar layout that we can land anyway, but Ronnie is looking over it tonight to try and make it better
[21:44] <mhall119> there are some other LTP branches that I would like to review and land too, before deploying
[21:45] <mhall119> I'm working on the nicer /globaljam url now
[21:47] <technoviking> you need ubuntujams.com
[22:07] <jono> mhall119, cool
[22:07] <jono> which other LTP branches?
[22:10] <cjohnston> I have user profile stuff that is nearly there for Summit... once its finished there, it will be super easy to move to LTP
[22:31] <balloons> it's funny.. i am relearning unity now that i have 2 launcher bars (because of 2 monitors).. I'm starting to stop moving my mouse across to screens to the launcher on the left.. it's really interesting conceptually to be able to think of each monitor as a separate, yet complete desktop
[22:32] <cjohnston> I agree
[22:32] <cjohnston> balloons: the only thing I've found, and have filed a bug, is dragging a window from one to the other sucks
[22:33] <balloons> yes, got the bug number? i'll add affects me on it
[22:33] <balloons> drives me crazy
[22:33] <cjohnston> one sec
[22:38] <cjohnston> bug #926791
[22:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 926791 in unity "When dragging a window across screens, the mouse gets 'stuck'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926791
[22:39] <cjohnston> i also cant stand how your last search stays up on the dash
[22:40] <balloons> it's not supposed to.. according to the unity checkbox tests
[22:40] <cjohnston> no, it is
[22:40] <cjohnston> give me a minute and ill find that bug
[22:40] <balloons> really? then yea.. add me to it
[22:40] <balloons> :-)
[22:41] <cjohnston> balloons: bug #926762 was my report.. bug #914759 is what says it should be like that
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 926762 in unity "[regression] Upon opening dash, the previous search is still displayed" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926762
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 914759 in ayatana-design "Dash - Make statefulness of Dash Home and Dash Lenses consistent" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914759
[22:42] <balloons> hmm.. yea, design change
[22:46] <jcastro> balloons: I don't like the double launchers on a twinview set up
[22:47] <jcastro> It will be great on laptops though
[22:47] <balloons> jcastro, yes, first thing I asked didrocks after installing was how to turn off the second launcher
[22:48] <cjohnston> i think i may like it
[22:48] <balloons> basically I was asking for a design enhancement to allow a launcher (or not) on a specific screen
[22:48] <cjohnston> right
[22:48] <balloons> 3 screens, 1 launcher, or 2.. or even 3 ;-)
[22:48] <cjohnston> i like not having to go from far right to far left
[23:11] <AlanBell> hmm, maybe I should turn on the html output writer if jono is going to link to the meetingology output direct
[23:16] <AlanBell> done
[23:59] <bkerensa> hmm 12.04 login screen broke
[23:59] <bkerensa> :P
[23:59] <bkerensa> the password field seems to have shrunk


[10:20] <SiDi> hi MadsRH
[10:21] <SiDi> MadsRH: i got the arrows problem fixed, and also the dark grey stripe appearing when scrolling on the slides
[10:21] <MadsRH> Oh, here :-) I've added more icons. I'll find a link for you
[10:21] <SiDi> but for the text over icon there's nothing i can do :x
[10:22] <SiDi> http://filebin.ca/hrsexz/madsrh-layout_fixed.tar.gz
[10:22] <MadsRH> Okay, so any suggestion for a solution?
[10:22] <SiDi> btw, most icons have different look and feel, and different sizes
[10:22] <SiDi> if you put icons slightly more little (like the Help one) it should pass
[10:22] <MadsRH> right (didn't want to post the link before the upload had finished)
[10:22] <SiDi> that's not really a "solution", but with the position absolute layout we cant do much
[10:22] <MadsRH> aka smaller?
[10:23] <SiDi> yeh, the help one is smaller
[10:23] <SiDi> and btw, you got gossy / tango-ish / realistic icons melted
[10:23] <SiDi> you need to keep only 1 kind of icons :P
[10:24] <MadsRH> +1 I'll look into that
[10:25] <MadsRH> problem is, we don't know how many letters it takes to describe Open office in Chinese
[10:26] <MadsRH> so the text might be much longer and still be on top of the icon
[10:29] <MadsRH> SiDi -> The Tango icons that needs replacement is Empathy and Installer, but what about the ubuntu-logo? Should that be replaced as well?
[10:30] <SiDi> yeh.
[10:31] <SiDi> install / accessibility / empathy / ubuntu logo
[10:31] <SiDi> and maybe even evolution
[10:31] <SiDi> btw MadsRH, the slide "engine" and the slides are separate things, right ?
[10:31] <SiDi> i could technically make a package with xubuntu slides ?
[10:33] <MadsRH> Yes, derivatives might want to do that
[10:33] <MadsRH> slide "engine"?
[10:36] <SiDi> i mean the scripts that make it run =p
[10:36] <SiDi> Do you have some xcf for the current icons and background that i could steal from you ? :)
[10:37] <MadsRH> Sorry no I don't. Would it be really hard to use SVG?
[10:38] <SiDi> oh if you have svg its even better :D
[10:38] <SiDi> i dont like gimp much
[10:38] <MadsRH> Or perhaps use smaller 128x128 icons?
[10:38] <SiDi> oh you mean for the slides
[10:38] <MadsRH> yes
[10:38] <SiDi> we can use smaller icons yeh, but not too small :)
[10:39] <SiDi> the problem is that since the icon is put in position absolute i cant make it go "below" the text
[10:39] <MadsRH> Right now I've scaled a SVG to about 200px, large SVG icons looks really good
[10:40] <MadsRH> But it would be easier to replace icons? although some slickness is lost
[10:40] <SiDi> icons of the size of the help one will be ok for all the slides in english
[10:42] <MadsRH> Okay, we could try that. I'll resize them all, unless we should pursue another solution like standard 128x128 PNG or SVG files for easy replacement
[10:44] <SiDi> but it wouldnt look sexy :D
[10:44] <SiDi> could you make an xcf template with a random icon so we know how to obtain the same effect ?
[10:44] <SiDi> or some instructions, for the opacity of the bottom part, etc
[10:46] <MadsRH> sure, but I'm not sure how to do this for SVG files.
[11:01] <knome> SiDi, MadsRH: did you already solve the problem mentioned in the mailing list?
[11:02] <SiDi> knome: arrows problem is fixed
[11:02] <MadsRH> knome -> SiDi is currently work on it
[11:02] <SiDi> text over icon is unfixable without some changes that give non-sexy results when loading new slides
[11:03] <SiDi> MadsRH: did you receive the file i posted above ?
[11:03] <knome> okay
[11:03] <knome> SiDi, tell me if you need help
[11:03] <SiDi> i need help from the webkit devs :p
[11:03] <MadsRH> knome -> perhaps I should let the mailing list know that, so no one will waste time looking at it
[11:04] <SiDi> btw MadsRH wont this use gecko for release ? Or will they REALLY add webkit to the CD just for the slideshow ?
[11:04] <knome> MadsRH, yeah i suppose so
[11:04] <MadsRH> SiDi -> I think Webkit is already uploaded to Karmic.
[11:05] <SiDi> thats crazy
[11:05] <MadsRH> SiDi -> Yes, I got your file and I'm looking at it now! btw http://files.getdropbox.com/u/175241/images.tar.gz
[11:06] <MadsRH> not resized yet though!
[11:06] <MadsRH> SiDi -> and here's tutorial for the reflection http://binnyva.blogspot.com/2006/12/creating-reflections-for-logos-in-gimp.html
[11:07] <SiDi> thanks
[11:07] <MadsRH> it doesn't add the shadow, but besides that is how it's done
[11:08] <SiDi> knome: we do a xubuntu slide show ? :D
[11:08] <MadsRH> SiDi -> there's also a plugin, but I can make it work! http://code.google.com/p/gimp-reflection/
[11:08] <knome> SiDi, meh :P
[11:09] <knome> SiDi, not sure
[11:12] <MadsRH> SiDi -> Fantastic work! madsrh-layout_fixed looks great. How do I create a new branch?
[11:13] <SiDi> hm
[11:13] <SiDi> bzr commit -m "Foo"
[11:13] <SiDi> bzr push lp:~madsrh/+junk/mynewbranch
[11:13] <MadsRH> okay
[11:14] <MadsRH> I've never done this.  But this will require some time for me (because I'm so stupid). Because I also get bzr: ERROR: https://launchpad.net/%7EMadsRH/%2Bsshkeys is permanently redirected to https://launchpad.net/~madsrh/+sshkeys
[11:29] <SiDi> when pushing ?
[11:31] <MadsRH> yes
[11:31] <SiDi> blargh
[11:31] <SiDi> i dont know what it means :P
[11:31] <SiDi> Are you sure you have your private key in this pc ?
[11:32] <MadsRH> Perhaps I can e-mail the files to Dylan McCall and have him upload it? I do think that would be better
[11:32] <SiDi> hehe if you want
[11:33] <SiDi> im gonna take a shower, see you later :)
[11:33] <MadsRH> SiDi -> Someday I will learn about branches, pushing and pulling
[11:33] <MadsRH> SiDi -> Thanks again
[11:35] <SiDi> you're welcome ;)
[16:18] <MadsRH> Hi. Does anyone know where I can find a SVG version of the Empathy logo in a non-Tango version?
[16:23] <MadsRH> MadsRH -> I should ask this question in the Artwork channel ;-) Sorry for the noise


[00:20] <cjohnston> I'm trying to pull the summary from a spec, but it doesn't seem to be working. I am using elem.get just like I did for all the other info I am getting, but this one isn't working.
[00:20] <cjohnston> Any ideas?
[00:20] <wgrant> cjohnston: Isn't working?
[00:20] <wgrant> And which library are you using? That doesn't look like launchpadlib.
[00:21] <lifeless> http://blog.bitbucket.org/2011/07/07/redesigned-commits-screen/
[00:21] <cjohnston> simplejson
[00:22] <wgrant> It's there.
[00:23] <cjohnston> wgrant: http://pad.ubuntu.com/dYgqgL4JaA
[00:24] <wgrant> cjohnston: It's in the JSON that LP sends, but I don't know how you are getting the JSON.
[00:24] <cjohnston> wgrant: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/1.x/view/head:/summit/schedule/models/meetingmodel.py#L188
[00:29] <cjohnston> Does that give you any more info wgrant ?
[00:29] <wgrant> cjohnston: Not really. Launchpad is sending the correct JSON, so you'll need to check the JSON you have.
[00:29] <jelmer> wgrant: hi
[00:30] <wgrant> jelmer: Hi.
[00:30] <jelmer> wgrant: You tried to land lp:~jelmer/launchpad/publisher-use-debian-2  earlier but it failed for some reason, do you know what it was?
[00:31] <wgrant> Hmm, I recall I ran it through ec2, but cannot find an email about it..
[00:31] <jelmer> wgrant: no worries, I'll have another look at it
[00:31] <jelmer> wgrant: thanks
[00:32] <wgrant> Sorry.
[00:33] <jelmer> wgrant: Don't be :) I appreciate you trying to land it, when I didn't have time to.
[00:34]  * jelmer gets some sleep
[00:35] <wgrant> Night.
[02:06] <lifeless> does anything still use BranchSparkView ?
[02:08] <wgrant> Heh
[02:08] <StevenK> lifeless: A bunch of tests?
[02:09] <lifeless> nuke from orbit time
[02:09] <wgrant> It was disabled during 3.0, to be fixed and revived within a month.
[02:09] <StevenK> And IBranch:+spark
[02:09] <StevenK> lifeless: Are you nuking it?
[02:10] <lifeless> StevenK: not right now, I have managerial thingies to do
[02:10] <lifeless> then some folk from .au are dropping by before they head home
[02:10] <lifeless> if you are interested in nuking it, please do.
[02:10] <lifeless> [red button]
[02:10]  * lifeless pushes the red button
[02:38] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz review? https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/destroy-branchsparkview/+merge/68627
[02:38] <wgrant> StevenK: What about the JS?
[02:38] <StevenK> There's JS?
[02:38] <wgrant> That view provides JSON to the JS.
[02:40]  * StevenK looks for the JS
[02:42] <StevenK> wgrant: Three more methods found and destroyed, but the JS is proving harder to locate.
[02:43] <wgrant> Already removed in r9680
[02:45] <StevenK> Ah, so the JS is long-dead
[02:50] <StevenK> wgrant: No review, then? :-)
[02:51] <wgrant> It is reviewed.
[02:51] <wgrant> Was just checking you'd got all of it.
[02:51] <StevenK> Ahhh
[02:51] <StevenK> I got all of it after I killed the other 3 methods?
[02:51] <wgrant> Yes
[02:51] <StevenK> Excellent, thanks
[04:35] <lifeless> righto, time to write up docs
[04:35] <lifeless> StevenK_: thanks for fixing that timeout!
[04:35] <lifeless> (+spark)
[04:35] <StevenK_> Haha
[04:35] <StevenK_> lifeless: Is there a bug about it?
[04:37] <lifeless> none filed yet
[04:37] <lifeless> it was 1/0 in todays timeout report
[04:38] <StevenK_> lifeless: Fair enough. My branch is currently ec2ing
[04:38] <lifeless> no-qa is fine IMO
[04:38] <lifeless> I'm just happy  :)
[04:40] <wgrant> Aha!
[04:40] <wgrant> An excuse to kill IUpstreamBugTask and co.
[04:40] <StevenK> Oh?
[04:40] <wgrant> Do you know of it?
[04:41] <wgrant> IUpstreamBugTask, IProductSeriesBugTask, IDistroSeriesBugTask, IDistroBugTask are marker interfaces.
[04:41] <StevenK> Nope
[04:41] <wgrant> Which need to change when the target of a task changes.
[04:41] <wgrant> Which means that retargetting bugs between target types needs to change them.
[04:41] <wgrant> But that makes lazr.lifecycle sad.
[04:42] <wgrant> So, I may finally kill them.
[04:42] <StevenK> More code deletion? :-)
[04:42] <wgrant> Since there's just about no good reason to have them.
[04:42] <wgrant> There are only a couple of places that care, and they can just check the interfaces of the target directly.
[04:48] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[04:48] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #739: FIXED in 5 hr 38 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/739/
[05:13] <StevenK> wgrant: Do you know if dogfood has query logging on?
[05:13] <wgrant> StevenK: It doesn't seem to.
[05:14] <StevenK> I am disappoint.
[05:14] <wgrant> Ja.
[05:14] <wgrant> OTOH the disk space would probably be sort of bad.
[05:14] <StevenK> Meh, mawson has 150GiB free :-P
[05:14] <wgrant> Now :)
[05:19]  * StevenK peers at database/schema/launchpad.html
[05:31] <StevenK> Hmmm. 450 results for '%ubuntu%' in PillarName
[05:32] <StevenK> At least one of them is the distribution itself.
[06:02]  * wgrant headdesks.
[06:02] <StevenK> wgrant?
[06:02] <wgrant> -        else:
[06:02] <wgrant> -            assert (
[06:02] <wgrant> -                "Expected IDistroSeriesBugTask or IProductSeriesBugTask. "
[06:02] <wgrant> -                "Got: %r" % bugtask)
[06:03] <wgrant> There should really be a warning for that.
[07:25] <adeuring> good morning
[07:38] <jtv> hi adeuring
[07:38] <jtv> oh, and hi rvba!
[07:39] <adeuring> hi jtv
[07:39] <jtv> wgrant: I take it the cocoplum rollout succeeded then?
[07:39] <wgrant> jtv: Soyuz only had unrelated OOPSes this morning, so yup, seems like it all went OK.
[07:40] <rvba> hi jtv!
[07:40] <jtv> Great.
[07:40] <rvba> Good morning all.
[07:40] <jtv> wgrant: for my next trick, I sort of re-did the distro-publisher code.
[07:40] <wgrant> So I saw!
[07:40] <wgrant> Well.
[07:41] <wgrant> I saw the "diff too big" warning in the email.
[07:41] <wgrant> I've not seen the change itself.
[07:41] <wgrant> Similar to what you did to process-accepted?
[07:41] <jtv> "Diff too big"?  I hadn't seen that.
[07:41] <jtv> Should be "only" 1200 lines or so.
[07:41] <jtv> I suppose.
[07:42] <jtv> I didn't feel I could just go on adding to the problem.
[07:42] <wgrant> Indeed.
[07:42] <wgrant> So much evil to destroy :(
[07:43] <jtv> The question right now is: how do I Q/A publish-distro?
[07:43] <jtv> (Have a look at it — it wasn't nearly as hairy as it seemed)
[07:44] <wgrant> That is a lot of tests.
[07:44] <jtv> Yes, it really helps to know that the components work.
[07:45] <jtv> Found one or two cases of "this couldn't have worked."
[07:52] <jtv> hi bigjools
[07:52] <bigjools> morning
[08:10] <stub> Anyone want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/staging/+merge/68529 for me? Boring meat and potatoes staging/production rollout code.
[08:12] <mrevell> Morning
[08:27] <StevenK> wgrant: You remove a XXX from 2006 that references bug 55089
[08:27] <_mup_> Bug #55089: IUpstreamBugTask should be renamed to IProjectBugTask <lp-bugs> <tech-debt> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by wgrant> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/55089 >
[08:28] <StevenK> Ah, which is already linked. Nice.
[08:49] <stub> 1.1 billion branchrevision rows now... going up by about 50 million/month.
[09:00] <mwhudson_> stub: is the disk space reduced at all by not having id as a primary key?
[09:01] <stub> It is now that the nodes have all been rebuilt.
[09:01] <mwhudson_> ah right
[09:01] <mwhudson_> i guess it's a substantial fraction of the node rebuild time though...
[09:06] <jtv> stub: I'm still amazed by the lack of alarms and sirens for that change.
[09:07] <danilos> -back
[09:08] <danilos> -back
[09:08] <stub> mwhudson: the id column plus various indexes came to a few 10s of GB
[09:08] <danilos> whoops, wrong keyboard layout and I insist on retyping it :)
[10:09] <jml> really really starting to wish Launchpad has some kind of push notification
[10:10] <wgrant> jml: Only once you lost your ability to direct? :)
[10:10] <jml> wgrant: now I can afford to be selfish.
[10:10] <wgrant> :(
[10:10] <wgrant> Selfishness is what Launchpad has needed for a number of years now...
[10:11] <wgrant> Stakeholder direction only gets us so far in the sensible directions.
[10:11] <wgrant> We've been making it work, rather than making it not suck.
[10:11] <wgrant> :)
[10:13] <jml> wgrant: You tell me this only once I've lost my ability to direct? :P
[10:13] <wgrant> Heh
[10:13] <nigelb> heh, so hire someone who's as selfish as you  :D
[10:41] <wgrant> danilos: Thanks for organising that deployment!
[10:47] <nigelb> jml: communicating internally in the open is not a bad thing. I like reading the list even though I may not be able to do anything for a few items.
[10:54] <danilos> wgrant, hey, you are welcome :)
[10:54] <danilos> wgrant, and it should be more of a norm for the rest of us to do it
[11:29] <stub> allenap: https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/staging/+merge/68529 :-)
[11:30] <allenap> stub: I'm already looking at it :)
[11:30] <allenap> stub: Out of interest, why did you go for using /etc/init.d/pgbouncer instead of using PAUSE/SUSPEND/RESUME via the pgbouncer virtual database?
[11:32] <stub> allenap: We need to shutdown pgbouncer because suspend/resume just blocks inbound connections, not reject them.
[11:33] <stub> allenap: There is an option to tell it to reject connections that can't connect after x seconds, but it doesn't work in suspend mode (either bug or design, don't know)
[11:34] <stub> allenap: in the lightning talk I gave, I sketched out a situation where connections block but after further discussions with lifeless we are just going to drop them and require the clients to cope and/or present nice errors to the users.
[11:34] <allenap> stub: Okay. The init script does cause a pause then shutdown, but with only 1 second delay. Is that okay.
[11:34] <allenap> ?
[11:36] <stub> allenap: That is fine.
[11:36] <allenap> stub: r=me
[11:36] <stub> And I could shut it down by other means (psql -d pgbouncer -c shutdown, or kill(1)) if it becomes a problem.
[11:36] <stub> ta
[11:39] <danilos> jtv1, rvba: hi, there are a few revisions of your needing QA, it'd be nice if you can get to that today
[11:39] <jtv1> danilos: I know, thanks
[11:39] <danilos> yours
[11:39] <rvba> danilos: will do.
[11:45] <rvba> danilos: done.
[11:45] <danilos> rvba, thanks
[12:46] <jtv1> allenap: free for a review?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/get_derived_distros/+merge/68675
[13:02] <deryck> Morning, all
[13:27] <jcsackett> allenap: can i request a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/a-private-place-to-live/+merge/68687?
[13:30] <allenap> jcsackett: Sure. I think jtv's first then you.
[13:30] <jtv> allenap: I've been producing them faster than you can review them.  :)
[13:30] <jcsackett> allenap: works for me. i can always do jtv's if you haven't already started. just can't review my own branch. :-P
[13:31] <jtv> jcsackett: I have a few more ready now.
[13:31] <jtv> So there's enough for both of you!
[13:31] <jcsackett> jtv: erm, eh, fantastic? :-p
[13:31] <jtv> hehheh
[13:31] <allenap> jcsackett: Okay, you start with jtv, I'll do yours, then move back onto jtv's new ones.
[13:31] <jcsackett> allenap: righto.
[13:40] <jcsackett> jtv: r=me on the first one.
[13:40]  * jcsackett likes short diffs.
[13:40] <jtv> thanks!
[13:41] <jcsackett> jtv: you have a preferred next branch for me to look at? i see three in the queue.
[13:41] <jtv> Yes: the bug-788078 one, thanks.
[13:42] <jtv> That's bigger, but I carved out pieces for a separate branch — which you just reviewed.  :)
[13:42] <jcsackett> jtv: ok. looking at that one momentarily.
[13:43] <jtv> Thanks.
[14:19] <sinzui> allenap, jcsackett: are either of you looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/picker-wiring-812255/+merge/68629
[14:19] <jcsackett> sinzui: it's in the queue. :-)
[14:20] <allenap> sinzui: What Jon said :)
[14:22] <nigelb> oh, 2 reviewers today! perfect day to get my branch out.
[14:32] <bac> allenap: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-799901/+merge/68590 at your leisure?
[14:33] <allenap> bac: Sure :)
[14:35] <jcsackett> jtv: correct me if this is wrong, but it looks like this adding a fair bit of new iteration to the process; is this script not one we worry about time to complete on?
[14:35] <nigelb> ugh, I need some help with a branch. Does anyone have a few minutes to help figure out why I'm getting http://dpaste.com/573320/ for https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/launchpad/spec-sub-sort/+merge/63315
[14:36] <jtv> jcsackett: only for Ubuntu, in which case the list it iterates over is of length 1.
[14:36] <allenap> nigelb: I'll take a look.
[14:36] <nigelb> allenap: Thanks a bunch!
[14:36] <jtv> jcsackett: the idea is we can do the work for all _other_ distros we do it for much more quickly.
[14:36] <jcsackett> jtv: so if we're doing all-derived we're well aware it could take a bit and that's just fine?
[14:36] <jcsackett> jtv: ok.
[14:36] <jtv> Yes.  If it's not, we can easily extend this to more fine-grained load-balancing, such as "publish a thru f on this server."
[14:37] <jcsackett> jtv: ah, yes, you mentioned granularity in the cover letter.
[14:37] <jtv> Thought so.  :)
[14:37] <jcsackett> ok, jtv, r=me. just wanted to make sure i wasn't approving a performance bomb. :-)
[14:37] <jtv> Good job.  Thanks!
[14:38] <bigjools> cody-somerville, timrc: do you have time to talk about OEM's ongoing requirements with regard to our derived distros feature?
[14:38] <timrc> bigjools, if I could keep natty from crashing, yes :)
[14:38] <cody-somerville> bigjools, When?
[14:39] <bigjools> can you do it in the next hour or so?
[14:39] <timrc> next week would probably be better as cody-somerville will be back in North America
[14:39] <bigjools> or now? :)
[14:39] <timrc> oh..
[14:39] <jcsackett> allenap: thanks for your comments, i'll address those changes. how much longer are you on review for?
[14:39] <bigjools> next week is ok if that's better
[14:39] <cody-somerville> bigjools, I'm at DebCamp this week. Next week would be much better for me.
[14:40] <allenap> jcsackett: Another couple of hours, then I'll be back later this evening.
[14:40] <jcsackett> allenap: ok. thanks.
[14:40] <bigjools> cody-somerville, timrc: ok that's fine.  I want to see how attached you are to using those crazy custom suites :)
[14:40] <allenap> jcsackett: I think you only *need* to address point 3.
[14:40] <timrc> bigjools, we're more crazy about deriving distros from multiple sources I think :) can we do that yet?
[14:41] <bigjools> timrc: yes
[14:41] <jcsackett> allenap: right, but if i can i'll address the others. no reason to delay good fixes if it's not out of scope.
[14:41] <bigjools> it's not quite released yet but we got it working finally, today
[14:42] <timrc> bigjools, neat!
[14:43] <cjwatson> what's the best way to submit a set of proposed changes for the Launchpad PPA?
[14:43] <cjwatson> I guess I need to do them for all of lucid, maverick, natty :-/
[14:43] <bigjools> cjwatson: if you have packages in a different PPA we can review and copy
[14:44] <cjwatson> I do (well, mvo does), but only for lucid at the moment
[14:44] <bigjools> well it's your fault, you keep releasing new series every 6 months :)
[14:44] <cjwatson> gosh, I never knew I had a choice. :-)
[14:45] <cjwatson> ok, I'll see if I can put together a staging PPA with everything
[14:45] <bigjools> great
[14:53] <nigelb> hrm, is subscribing to a blueprint broken on trunk?
[14:54] <nigelb> s/trunk/devel
[14:54] <nigelb> I just realized I can't subscribe to a blueprint on my dev env.
[14:57] <allenap> nigelb: It should read user=subscribed_by not user=user.
[14:57] <allenap> Line 567 of specification.py.
[14:58] <nigelb> ah
[14:59] <nigelb> I think I didn't notice it when "fixed" the merge conflict when I merged from devel the last time
[15:08] <allenap> nigelb: On the one hand sort_for_display() is generic - it can sort by any attribute - on the other it calls .lower() on the value it finds. I think you'd be better off without it; just fix the bug in specification.py and don't worry about the general case. As jtv notes in his review, it's a much bigger problem. What we really need is an agreed way to derive a collation key, but that's out of scope for this fix.
[15:09] <jtv> Isn't sort_for_display exactly what should hide that problem from us, so we can fix it once?
[15:09] <nigelb> allenap: The inital bug was there was no lower() cuasing the sorting to be messed up.
[15:09] <nigelb> what jtv just said.
[15:10] <jtv> I am so sorry for opening this whole can of worms...  :)
[15:10] <nigelb> hehe
[15:10] <allenap> jtv: Not really, because it conflates sorting with getting a collation key.
[15:12] <jtv> Unfortunately, yes.  But at least it will mark places where we tried to work around this!
[15:12] <nigelb> ugh, bigger traceback. http://dpaste.com/573346/
[15:12] <nigelb> If you could help me figure out how to start lookig at zope traceback, I'd be very grateful.
[15:14] <bigjools> nigelb: line 156 is the clue
[15:17] <nigelb> hm, so I look at that template?
[15:20] <bigjools> nigelb: it's telling you where the traversal failed
[15:20] <bigjools> in view/sorted_subscriptions
[15:20] <nigelb> ah
[15:21] <nigelb> so I look at browser/specificationsubscription.py where sorted_subscriptions is seems to be defined
[15:21] <allenap> jtv, nigelb: There is already an agreed upon collation key function for people: lp.registry.model.person.person_sort_key
[15:28] <nigelb> allenap: Oh.
[15:28]  * nigelb headdesks and rewrites.
[15:29] <allenap> nigelb: Hehe, don't worry, it's well hidden :)
[15:33] <allenap> nigelb: Fwiw, here's a diff of the changes I would make: http://paste.ubuntu.com/649234/
[15:34] <nigelb> allenap: thanks!
[15:35] <allenap> jcsackett: By the way, would you have time to review a branch of mine? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/localpackagediffs-filter-by-package-set-bug-809786-overlay/+merge/68647
[15:36] <jcsackett> allenap: as it happens, i would. :-)
[15:36] <allenap> jcsackett: Thanks :)
[15:47] <nigelb> allenap: I can't import person_sort_key.
[15:47] <nigelb> "ImportError: cannot import name person_sort_key"
[15:48] <allenap> nigelb: Yeah, there appears to be a circular import problem. In my diff I import it near where it's used and that works.
[15:48] <nigelb> allenap: ah, but I also need to use it in 225-ish
[15:49] <allenap> nigelb: Yeah. See my diff :)
[15:49] <nigelb> ah, right. Sorry.
[15:49] <nigelb> I should learn to read :P
[15:59]  * nigelb grrs.
[15:59] <nigelb> No traceback. But no worky either.
[15:59] <allenap> nigelb: Push your branch and I'll take another look.
[16:08] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #741: FAILURE in 5 hr 40 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/741/
[16:09] <nigelb> allenap: pushed :)
[16:11] <jcsackett> allenap: are you planning on filing bugs for all these xxx's with "bug=???" ?
[16:12] <allenap> jcsackett: I suppose so... the sneaky part of my mind had tried to forget about that :)
[16:12] <jcsackett> allenap: if you'll file those bugs and update the XXX, r=me. i can go ahead and approve it now with that understanding. :-)
[16:13] <allenap> jcsackett: Thanks, that's awesome.
[16:13] <jcsackett> allenap: that's a nice trick with the auto re-aligning of the overlay, btw. i wonder why that's not default behavior.
[16:13] <allenap> jcsackett: I'll do the same with your review.
[16:14] <jcsackett> oh, thanks.
[16:27] <allenap> nigelb: Right, so is it not ordering correctly in the UI?
[16:28] <nigelb> allenap: no.
[16:31] <allenap> nigelb: SpecificationPortletSubcribersContents.sorted_subscriptions returns the subscriptions that can be unsubscribed by the user before those that the user cannot. Could that explain what you're seeing?
[16:35] <allenap> nigelb: I have to go very soon, but I'll be back later (at ~1900 UTC). I've subscribed to your branch so just update the mp with your notes and I'll take a look.
[16:35] <nigelb> allenap: I'll do that :)
[17:15] <nigelb> allenap: You were right. That's what I was seeing.
[17:40] <bac> thanks for the review allenap -- nice suggestions
[18:35] <timrc> I have a user asking what the contents of  /etc/pkgbinarymangler/striptranslations.conf looks like for one of our P3A's -- can anyone assist with that, here?
[19:02] <allenap> bac: Cool, np.
[19:03] <allenap> nigelb: That's cool. I reckon your branch is nearly ready to land. If you incorporate the minor changes to the test I put in the diff I reckon it will be ready.
[19:20] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #908: FAILURE in 5 hr 39 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/908/
[19:22] <nigelb> allenap: yeah, doign that now.
[19:30] <nigelb> allenap: pushed :)
[19:41] <lifeless> morning
[19:43] <lifeless> cjwatson: stuff for the lp ppa? we only realy care about about lucid, natty and oneiric atm
[19:43] <allenap> nigelb: I'll land it for you.
[19:45] <nigelb> allenap: thanks! Also thanks for hand-holding through this :)
[19:47] <allenap> nigelb: No worries, thanks for taking the time to do this. It's making Launchpad better.
[19:47] <nigelb> allenap: Yeah, talking to jml at UDS helped a huge deal in getting off my mental block about patching launchpad :)
[19:49] <allenap> nigelb: jml's UDS seems to have been a big success. It's hard getting started on Launchpad, but I think it's rewarding; we should be able to release your fix tomorrow or Monday.
[19:50] <nigelb> yay :)
[19:50] <nigelb> Now I need to find out a way to have wallyworld's working hours and my awake hours and my free hours all to fall into the same slot.
[19:51]  * cody-somerville recommends a time machine.
[19:51] <allenap> cody-somerville: OEM's working on one of those, right?
[19:51] <cody-somerville> I'm not at liberty to say, sorry.
[19:54] <lifeless> sure you, just remember to go back in time and stop him asking about it
[19:57] <nigelb> haha
[20:01] <allenap> nigelb: Your branch should land in a few hours once the full test suite has run. I'll check on it in the morning. I'm off now, cheerio.
[20:03] <nigelb> allenap: laters! thanks again!
[20:54] <cjwatson> lifeless: no maverick?  ok, that simplifies things a bit
[20:55] <cjwatson> though actually a bit late since I already did those backports :-)
[20:55] <cjwatson> oh well, will post things from debconf
[20:59] <lifeless> cjwatson: its nice to have, but no dev uses it and we don't deploy on it
[21:01] <cjwatson> ok
[21:04] <lifeless> things that go on biuldds obviously need to support all the flavours buildds do
[21:04] <lifeless> but IIRC this isn't one of those
[21:04] <cjwatson> indeed not
[21:33] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, this is just getting rid of the interfaces, as it was big enough.
[21:34] <wgrant> lifeless: I plan to extract most of the target-specific stuff from lp.bugs.
[21:34] <wgrant> Because it is pretty revolting.
[21:43] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[21:43] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #742: FIXED in 5 hr 35 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/742/
[21:49] <wgrant> sinzui: But won't a productseries milestone vocab only show milestones within that series, which is what we want here?
[22:06] <sinzui> wgrant, I think that is what I am trying to understand. a  productseries should only target to a milestone that belongs to a series. a product bug could be targeted to any milestone for any series
[22:07] <sinzui> wgrant, there is not thing wrong with what you did. I just want to know WTF Lp thinks it is doing
[22:09] <sinzui> It will all be moot when we simplify bugtasks to series. This vocab will be forced to have similar rules
[22:09] <wgrant> sinzui: Right.
[22:10] <wgrant> I feel that we should probably preserve existing behaviour for now.
[22:10] <wgrant> This pipeline will already extend into 5 or 6 branches.
[22:10] <sinzui> absolutely keep it the way it is. I just wanted to know if we know about this bug. Maybe it needs to be reported
[22:16] <wgrant> Yeah.
[22:16] <wgrant> Ah, you've approved it now. Thanks!
[22:26] <wgrant> wallyworld: Should bug #806785 be closed?
[22:26] <_mup_> Bug #806785: Person picker displays duplicate info when selecting recipe owner <disclosure> <picker> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by wallyworld> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/806785 >
[22:27] <wallyworld> wgrant: yes,. i believe so. i'll check. perhaps i didn't link to to the branch
[22:27] <wgrant> It's linked, but maybe wasn't until too late.
[22:27] <wallyworld> i would have linked it before i did the mp
[22:27] <wgrant> jtv: https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lucid_db_lp/builds/1171/steps/shell_6/logs/summary <- I think your ArchiveCruftChecker refactoring might have made it spew crufty to stderr?
[23:22] <wgrant> Argh.
[23:22] <wgrant> Series tasks.
[23:23] <lifeless> they will all be at some point
[23:23] <wgrant> Yeah, but the current implementation is a bit unfortunate.
[23:23] <wgrant> In particular, you can presently change the sourcepackagename of a series sourcepackage task through the web UI.
[23:24] <wgrant> Probably want to forbid that.
[23:25] <wgrant> (I'm working on pushing all target changes through transitionToTarget, which doesn't let you change to/from a series target, because that's what nominations are for)
[23:26] <wgrant> Hmm, retargetting them breaks the UI a bit.
[23:26] <wgrant> If there's no corresponding DSP task, the name is not shown at all.
[23:26] <wgrant> lifeless: Any opinions?
[23:28] <lifeless> uhm
[23:28] <sinzui> StevenK, lp:~sinzui/launchpad/dsp-picker-fields
[23:28] <lifeless> so big picture
[23:29] <lifeless> we want users that have sufficient privilege to just move stuff around willy nilly
[23:29] <lifeless> e.g. same-series different-sourcepackagename is a no-brainer change to permit everyone
[23:29] <wgrant> The current model makes that hard, but when everything is a series task it will be easier.
[23:30] <wgrant> SP tasks are not meant to exist without a corresponding DSP task.
[23:30] <wgrant> The UI breaks.
[23:30] <lifeless> we want users that have insufficient privilege to have to go through a handshake - the nomination process - for changes they are not permitted
[23:31] <lifeless> wgrant: SP being DSSP really ?
[23:31] <wgrant> lifeless: Right.
[23:31] <lifeless> this sound slike a conjoined masterish thing
[23:31] <lifeless> anyhow
[23:31] <wgrant> Similar.
[23:32] <lifeless> I have no particular opinion; I'd like that we move towards the big picture
[23:32] <lifeless> I'd prefer we don't let broken things happen
[23:33] <lifeless> if we permit something that breaks the model today, I have no objection to restricting it
[23:33] <lifeless> I'd question restricting something that isn't restricted today.
[23:34] <lifeless> (and doesn't cause breakage)
[23:34] <wgrant> I haven't seen any breakage around (except for really old bugs like bug #43150), so I presume it's not done much or at all.
[23:34] <_mup_> Bug #43150: [SRU] maxima frontends fail to connect <wxmaxima (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <gcl (Ubuntu Dapper):Fix Released by wgrant> <maxima (Ubuntu Dapper):Fix Released> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/43150 >
[23:35] <sinzui> wallyworld, http://www.jslint.com/lint.html
[23:39] <wgrant> lifeless: It is tempting to forbid it, and if someone complains then chastise them and potentially hack transitionToTarget to permit changing to another SP in the same DS.
[23:43] <lifeless> does it break things no matter what ?
[23:43] <lifeless> or does it break things under some circumstances only ?
[23:43] <wgrant> Unless you change all of them at once.
[23:45] <wgrant> Meh, for now I will special-case permit it.


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