[09:56] <Artemis3> i seem to always use via KT
[09:56] <EvilIdler> I have a supercomputer in my house - distcc and dvd::rip both support clustering of sorts.
[09:57] <Artemis3> heheh
[09:57] <StR34k> EvilIdler, Well, Imma make a backup of my comp now that it's all fixed up :)
[09:57] <StR34k> EvilIdler, Have a good one, and thanx :)
[09:58] <EvilIdler> StR34k: Best to do so - I still need to purge packages I don't need before I freeze my system to DVD ;)
[09:58] <kakalto> I'll be back
[09:58] <brentp> ive just got a quick question
[09:58] <closure> how do i change my spell check file to british english??
[09:58] <brentp> how do i disable gnome for logins
[09:58] <StR34k> EvilIdler, I thought so, and I bought like 10 RW's for the cause.
[09:58] <brentp> im running it in a vmware window and its chewing a shitload of cpu
[09:59] <EvilIdler> StR34k: Regular discs are so cheap now that I don't use RWs anymore
[09:59] <elcu> any opengl programmers here?
[09:59] <StR34k> EvilIdler, Yeah, but then I end up with discs every where.
[10:00] <Artemis3> which self destruct in 5 years
[10:00] <imPULSIV> does anyone here know his way around cprights on the logo of ubuntu?
[10:00] <accuser> is there any way, other than mirroring the whole of ubuntu archives, to share ubutnu packages across a network? i have 5 pcs that i would like to keep up to date, without having to download each package up to 5 times...
[10:00] <StR34k> EvilIdler, that and spindles of disks, and they get scratched and such.
[10:00] <EvilIdler> StR34k: I stack them high. When it gets so wobbly the glass falls off, I throw them in the bin :)
[10:00] <Artemis3> !
[10:00] <Artemis3> microsoft wants to stole the logo
[10:00] <StR34k> EvilIdler, LOL
[10:00] <Artemis3> steal
[10:00] <kisielk> accuser: there's some program in Debian that does that
[10:00] <IRCMonkey_> EvilIdler: Does it work fast? :)
[10:00] <accuser> kisielk: do you know the name?
[10:01] <imPULSIV> i did some wp yesterday...
[10:01] <EvilIdler> StR34k: Nah, I just buy folders to put my data in.  They don't get used much, anyway.
[10:03] <imPULSIV> wait ill show my wall
[10:03] <EvilIdler> StR34k: Am I the only one who has a clued computer store in the vicinity? :P
[10:03] <StR34k> EvilIdler, yeah, I have a bunch of cd's in spindles, and I have the bad habit of looking through them like they were a deck of cards.
[10:03] <EvilIdler> StR34k: Poor CDs
[10:04] <IRCMonkey_> EvilIdler: Are you running Ubuntu on LAN
[10:04] <IRCMonkey_> ?
[10:04] <StR34k> EvilIdler, I live in a small town, the computer stores can pretty much extort the public.
[10:04] <EricNeon> jdubare you here?
[10:04] <jdub> EricNeon: yo!
[10:04] <EvilIdler> IRCMonkey_: Not much of a LAN until I get the other Linux computers back togetther
[10:05] <EricNeon> ha~
[10:05] <EvilIdler> StR34k: I live in the capital, so there's great competition here
[10:05] <IRCMonkey_> StR34k: I've heard some small town community in Holland created LAN network of their computers 2300+ and created grid
[10:05] <imPULSIV> http://www.seven-sins.org/leopard2-ubuntu.jpg
[10:05] <imPULSIV> look @ this
[10:05] <imPULSIV> and tell me if itsviolating copyright
[10:06] <ratl3> EvilIdler, mobo doesn't have any pins to mess with
[10:06] <EricNeon> can the mailinglist<EMAIL_ADDRESS>" run?
[10:06] <ratl3> EvilIdler, i disabled more stuff in the bios
[10:06] <EvilIdler> imPULSIV: The animal in question was dead when the picture was taken, so no worries.
[10:06] <ratl3> EvilIdler, i can't believe windows was working on this machine
[10:06] <EvilIdler> ratl3: No advanced memory setting of any sort?
[10:06] <imPULSIV> no i mean the logo
[10:07] <EvilIdler> ratl3: Well, slummy OSes aren't picky about their partners..
[10:07] <StR34k> EvilIdler, Yeah, I used to live in Toronto, where there was great competition, but it's actually so bad here for somethings, it's worth driving to go to a bigger city.
[10:07] <imPULSIV> bg is from my own stock and i wnted to giveit as present to the germancommunity
[10:07] <StR34k> IRCMonkey_, Thats kick ass...
[10:07] <ratl3> EvilIdler, the memory is set up correctly in the bios
[10:07] <Artemis3> hahah it needs more work, the logo gets so invisible ;)
[10:07] <Artemis3> but interesting
[10:07] <EvilIdler> ratl3: I've run out of ideas for the moment :/
[10:07] <EricNeon> jdubours mailing list can use?
[10:08] <imPULSIV> thx
[10:08] <imPULSIV> and is it violatingcprights
[10:08] <IRCMonkey_> http://www.gridtoday.com/04/1004/103898.html
[10:08] <IRCMonkey_> see this guys
[10:08] <jdub> EricNeon: hey, didn't i mail you last night?
[10:08] <IRCMonkey_> first virtual city in the world
[10:08] <Artemis3> can you add a shadow or something to make the logo look cool?
[10:08] <ratl3> EvilIdler, yeah, disabled IDE1, sound, usb, acpi
[10:08] <jdub> EricNeon: whoa! i didn't
[10:08] <IRCMonkey_> I wish I live there
[10:08] <EricNeon> lol~
[10:08] <jdub> EricNeon: sorry, i did a bunch last night - i'll do yours straight away :)
[10:08] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[10:09] <imPULSIV> bye for now
[10:09] <brentp> how do i disable the gnome login screen and just use a text terminal?
[10:09] <EvilIdler> ratl3: Double-check that all memory fits snugly etc.
[10:09] <EricNeon> don't worry it,we have more time
[10:09] <jdub> jsgotangco: tell him i did! :)
[10:09] <jdub> EricNeon: nup, doing it right now :)
[10:09] <ratl3> EvilIdler, i have.. i've alternated between 4 sticks
[10:09] <EvilIdler> ratl3: How about going the opposite direction - reset BIOS to default?
[10:09] <IRCMonkey_> see you guys!
[10:09] <jsgotangco> EricNeon: he was kinda busy *grin*
[10:09] <ratl3> EvilIdler, that makes it crash on startup
[10:10] <EricNeon> oh
[10:10] <EvilIdler> ratl3: None of the RAM is ECC? ECC hasn't been mistakenly switched on?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> Hoary is almost within reach that's why
[10:10] <jsgotangco> even #ubuntu-devel is smoking right now
[10:10] <ratl3> EvilIdler, nope
[10:10] <jdub> EricNeon: hrm
[10:10] <EvilIdler> ratl3: Have you desecrated any Indian temples lately?
[10:10] <jdub> EricNeon: all of your stuff is -zh...
[10:11] <ratl3> EvilIdler, i think i cursed the pope
[10:11] <EvilIdler> ratl3: That's worth karmic brownie points, I think
[10:11] <EricNeon> hah,because I am a chinese
[10:11] <ratl3> EvilIdler, all those years of christian oppression
[10:11] <jsgotangco> christian oppression?
[10:11] <jsgotangco> @$##$%!!@
[10:11] <EricNeon> but my gnome team is gnome-cn ,not -zh...
[10:11] <jdub> EricNeon: mmm, wondering why it wasn't -cn
[10:12] <jdub> smurfix: around?
[10:12] <EvilIdler> -zh is Mandarin, right?
[10:12] <ratl3> jsgotangco, as a kid?>
[10:12] <jsgotangco> ahh *grin*
[10:13] <kakalto>
[10:13] <ratl3> EvilIdler, well, i'm going to check it out
[10:13] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Hey, the symbols showed up correctly :)
[10:13] <kakalto> :D
[10:13] <kakalto> it works
[10:13] <jdub> EricNeon: okay, i'm really sorry, but i'd prefer to defer this until i speak to smurfix
[10:13] <jsgotangco> i though china was supposed to be cn
[10:14] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Now go wash your fingers, for I am sure you probably just insulted the non-Asian portion of the channel :P
[10:14] <kakalto> I thought dumbass was meant to be dm
[10:14] <EvilIdler> jsgotangco: I'm guessing cn would be Cantonese
[10:14] <kakalto> It says Japanese in Japanese
[10:14] <Artemis3> -_-
[10:14] <EricNeon> -cn is always meens "The People's Republic of China"
[10:14] <kakalto> well, sorta
[10:14] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Yeah, but I currenly have no way of knowing that for sure :P
[10:14] <kakalto> hehe
[10:14] <jsgotangco> EvilIdler: i don't think we need to have dialect-driven teams :D
[10:14] <EricNeon> -zh is meens "Chinese"
[10:14] <Artemis3> check gettext docs
[10:15] <ratl3> EvilIdler, it hasn't crashed yet... but the only thing enabled is IDE0
[10:15] <kakalto> I don't actually know much japanese, but I'm currently learning it, so yeah
[10:15] <EvilIdler> EricNeon: So what's the difference in the packages?
[10:15] <h> ^^
[10:15] <jdub> EvilIdler: packages are -zh because they are related strictly to language
[10:15] <EvilIdler> kakalto: I'm picking up some verbal Cantonese and Greek. Feck knows if I'll ever learn to read any of either, though :P
[10:15] <ratl3> EvilIdler, wouldn't that rule out memory? move the problem to the chipset?
[10:16] <EvilIdler> jdub: I'll have to read a developer's guide to i18n issues one of these months :)
[10:16] <EvilIdler> ratl3: Sounds possible..
[10:16] <kakalto> lol, EvilIdler
[10:16] <archangel_> hey guys, I
[10:17] <EMan> In Gnome, I cannot get ALSA or OSS working... if ESD is running, does that prevent ALSA and OSS from working?
[10:17] <EricNeon> zh is behalf all of Chinese pepole around the world,not only "The People's Republic of China
[10:17] <kakalto> how do I change to katakana?
[10:17] <EvilIdler> kakalto: While getting through all the Zatoichi movies, I've discovered I've picked up an awful lot of Japanese, actually. Not that I can form a sentence, or anything.
[10:17] <archangel_> have been using Hoary for awhile now and I was wondering if Ubuntu could do automatic updates like portage in gentoo?
[10:17] <brentp> EMan; im reading the faq new and theres something on there about it afaik
[10:17] <kakalto> lol
[10:17] <EMan> brentp, quick faq, the offical Ubuntu?
[10:17] <Artemis3> http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_15.html#SEC221 and http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_16.html#SEC222 remember you specify both
[10:18] <brentp> yeah
[10:18] <brentp> on their site
[10:18] <EMan> ok, ill check it out.. I was messing around on ALSA's site thinking it was an ALSA issue
[10:18] <archangel_> is there automatic updates for Hoary?
[10:18] <EvilIdler> archangel_: Well, you could just add "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" to your crontab
[10:18] <Byakhee> hi
[10:19] <kakalto> Artemis3, how do I change to katakana?
[10:19] <archangel_> EvilIdler, explain crontab, I'm a newb
[10:19] <Burgundavia> archangel_: no, but look for a little red icon in the upper right
[10:19] <Burgundavia> archangel_: when it shows up, click on it
[10:19] <tgs> lol
[10:19] <EvilIdler> archangel_: The crontab is a file related to cron, the scheduled program launcher.
[10:19] <Artemis3> it depends on the input system
[10:19] <Artemis3> try all CAPS
[10:19] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: crontab is nice, gui way is better for most new users
[10:20] <kakalto> k
[10:20] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: Or lazy people (me). Any programs to do crontab editing in a proper GUI?
[10:20] <archangel_> I'm using xfce4 is it going to be the same?
[10:20] <Burgundavia> archangel_: hmm. No idea
[10:20] <EvilIdler> archangel_: The GUI doesn't affect the inner workings, generally, so no worries
[10:20] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: I have seen some
[10:21] <kakalto> Artemis3, not caps..
[10:21] <archangel_> whats the command line I can use for crontab?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: http://www.gnomefiles.org/search.php?search=cron
[10:21] <EricNeon> jdub, the mailing list is @list.ubuntu.org or @list.ubuntu.com?
[10:21] <Artemis3> which input method you used?
[10:21] <ratl3> archangel_, it usually involves throwing scripts into the /etc/cron.daily dir etc...
[10:21] <Zatarra> hi
[10:22] <jdub> EricNeon: it will be @lists.ubuntu.com
[10:22] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: That might be a neat one. Cheers.
[10:22] <ratl3> archangel_, pretty simple
[10:22] <EricNeon> ok,thanks
[10:22] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: I think gnome-schedule looks to be best
[10:22] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: I have used none of them
[10:22] <EricNeon> I'll talk it to my team members
[10:22] <gordonjcp> http://www.livejournal.com/~jiyuu0/ <- Microsoft Spaces logo is for *fat bastards* ?
[10:22] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: kcron for those of the kde bent
[10:23] <archangel_> I
[10:23] <archangel_> will give it a look
[10:23] <archangel_> thanks guys
[10:23] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: I like the look of KDE programs..BUT I CAN'T STAND THEIR UNIMAGINATIVE NAMING SCHEME! Ahem.
[10:23] <EricNeon> how join into mailing list?
[10:23] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: gcrontab is in the repos. Those at gnomefiles aren't
[10:23] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler:  I agree with you on the naming stuff
[10:24] <EvilIdler> archangel_: There's a program called cron-apt in the repository. I'm guessing it is a script for exactly what you want
[10:24] <Burgundavia> cron-apt only run update
[10:24] <Burgundavia> not upgrade
[10:24] <Burgundavia> read the description
[10:25] <kakalto> Artemis3, I used the first one..
[10:25] <Burgundavia> bloody locales issue
[10:25] <EvilIdler> Ack. That makes it next to useless, but you can add the upgrade, I guess
[10:25] <Artemis3> i need to read the documentation on that one
[10:25] <EvilIdler> Update and upgrade are synonyms in some languages I speak :/
[10:25] <kakalto> I suppose I should
[10:25] <ratl3> EvilIdler, still hasn't crashed... i'm starting to think it was the IDE1 bus
[10:26] <EvilIdler> ratl3: What sort of drive and cable is there on the ide1?
[10:26] <archangel_> I found the cron file but I'm not sure how to edit it so I will leave well enough alone.  I was kind of hoping it was like portage
[10:26] <ratl3> EvilIdler, at first it was multiple cdroms
[10:26] <ratl3> EvilIdler, and i thought it was a problem with them when trying to install it
[10:26] <EvilIdler> ratl3: I've only seen the issue on Win2k installs, but those newer types of IDE cables caused installs to crash
[10:26] <archangel_> by the by this april 8th can I do a distro upgrade to the final version or Hoary or do I have it?
[10:27] <Burgundavia> anybody else having this bug? http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8236
[10:27] <ratl3> EvilIdler, 80 pin and 40 pin were tried
[10:27] <EvilIdler> gcrontab is perfectly usable and has an OK interface. I guess I'll keep it.
[10:27] <Burgundavia> archangel_: if you dist-update after hoary is released you will have the latest
[10:27] <EvilIdler> ratl3: I do exorcisms cheap.
[10:27] <ratl3> EvilIdler, haha
[10:28] <Jefis> hey, something wrong with ubuntu, when i run some apps, it crashes
[10:28] <archangel_> Burgundavia, I have the preview version of 5.04 installed right now, will I lose any info with the upgrade?
[10:28] <Jefis> something wrong with /tmp, how to fix it?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> archangel_: if you do, it is a bug
[10:28] <Burgundavia> Jefis: can you be more specific please?
[10:28] <archangel_> Burgundavia, lol doesn't say much for final version if that happens
[10:29] <EvilIdler> Hmm..it wasn't KDE fade effects that made the text fuzzy; I need to clean the monitor.
[10:29] <Jefis> Burgundavia: if i run k3b
[10:29] <Jefis> my pc crashes
[10:29] <Jefis> freezes
[10:29] <Burgundavia> archangel_: Final version is April 8. Dist-upgrade should get you the new version and shouldn't bork anything
[10:29] <Burgundavia> s/Final version/Hoary releases
[10:29] <Jefis> i need to remount / i think, but how?
[10:29] <archangel_> Burgundavia, cool thanks I'll hit it up then
[10:29] <kakalto> where is the '.gnomerc' file meant to be?
[10:29] <EvilIdler> Jefis: That's pretty drastic. "tail -30 /var/log/syslog"
[10:29] <archangel_> later, thanks for the help
[10:30] <closure> what plugin for audio & video in firefox should i use??
[10:31] <kakalto> ?
[10:32] <Jefis> now look, i will ping timeout :)
[10:32] <Jefis> because i will run k3b, and my pc crash :)
[10:32] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: gcrontab: gtk1 and 3 years without update
[10:32] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: How many format changes has cron seen since then? ;)
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Jefis: do you speak French?
[10:32] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: still ulgy as sin
[10:33] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: Not with my themes, so I'm OK with it
[10:33] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: default theme is the one I am worried about. Hopefully we will get one of those better ones on gnome-files up soon
[10:33] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: I haven't seen the default in a long time, since I've kept my /home partition on every reinstall
[10:34] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: I feel for the ones who do lay their eyes on it, though ;)
[10:34] <Artemis3> kakalto: try shift space  then  q
[10:34] <EMan> hmm, tried some stuff, but ALSA is still not working.. aplay -l shows the devices, but /usr/bin/speaker-test plays nothing
[10:34] <kakalto> Artemis3, thanks
[10:34] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: I keep the default because I want to see what the average user sees. Much easier for documentation and usablity stuff
[10:34] <kakalto> Artemis3, the wiki tells me to create a .gnomerc file, but where is it meant to be?
[10:35] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: average user never changes the default
[10:35] <Artemis3> your user directoy i think
[10:35] <EricNeon> jdubif any body want join ours mailing list ,whether he need only sent a empty mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:35] <Artemis3> there could be one already
[10:35] <jdub> EricNeon: no, it's not created yet
[10:35] <jdub> EricNeon: they will be able to subscribe on the website, just like the other lists
[10:36] <EricNeon> oh ,I see
[10:36] <Artemis3> btw kakalto shift l for ascii double
[10:36] <EMan> How do I stop ESD properly?
[10:36] <_jefis> i crashed
[10:37] <accuser> EvilIdler: thanks for the info on apt-move. apt-proxy was actually what i needed. all set up and working, without any issues. better than m$ sus! - there is a howto here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptProxyHowTo
[10:37] <EvilIdler> accuser: I actually got by with Apache and apt-move on my internal network, but that link's handy :)
[10:37] <Jefis> how to fix crashing?
[10:37] <Jefis> ????
[10:37] <closure> anybody know what plugin for audio & video in firefox should i use??
[10:38] <ratl3> Jefis, can you ssh into your box after it crashes?
[10:38] <Jefis> ssh?
[10:38] <Jefis> in to my box?
[10:38] <Jefis> it's home pc
[10:39] <ratl3> Jefis, heh, nevermind
[10:39] <smurfix> jdub: around. What's up?
[10:39] <Jefis> i don't run open-ssh or services like that
[10:39] <Jefis> something wrong is with /tmp
[10:39] <ratl3> have you tried graveman?
[10:39] <jdub> smurfix: EricNeon's LoCo team is set up as -zh, which is a language code, not a tld code :)
[10:39] <Jefis> but don't know what
[10:40] <Jefis> what to do?:(
[10:40] <ratl3> Jefis, try graveman
[10:40] <Jefis> what's that?
[10:40] <Jefis> how to run it?
[10:40] <ratl3> Jefis, like k3b
[10:40] <ratl3> Jefis, only for gnome
[10:41] <EricNeon> chinese
[10:41] <Artemis3> cute name
[10:41] <Jefis> i don't want to use any others apps, i want to fix i
[10:41] <Jefis> it
[10:41] <Jefis> when i run kontact in kde, my pc crashes too
[10:41] <EricNeon> jdub,use zh_CN.UTF-8
[10:41] <Jefis> how to remount / in read&write mode?
[10:41] <EricNeon> or chinese
[10:42] <ratl3> what Jefis ?
[10:42] <EvilIdler> Jefis: mount -o remount,rw /
[10:42] <h> if i have a typedef struct in a .c file, do i include it in the .h file
[10:43] <Jefis> ok :)
[10:43] <EricNeon> jdub, can we use zope+plone on my ubuntu-zh.org website?
[10:43] <Jefis> i will crash
[10:43] <jdub> EricNeon: that's up to smurfix
[10:43] <EricNeon> ok
[10:43] <EvilIdler> h: If the typedef is in the sourcefile, copy and paste to the header file. You should join #c
[10:43] <ratl3> are you using kubuntu EvilIdler ?
[10:43] <EvilIdler> ratl3: Yes
[10:44] <smurfix> jdub: yeah, he wanted it to be for all-of-Chinese, not just China. Right now, both versions work.
[10:44] <ratl3> bah, i mean Jefis.. sorry about that EvilIdler
[10:44] <jdub> smurfix: hmm
[10:44] <smurfix> EricNeon: The box isn't really big enough for a zope setup
[10:44] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: purged the evil looked gcrontab from my system
[10:44] <EricNeon> oh
[10:44] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: Purge! Repent!
[10:44] <smurfix> EricNeon: I'll talk to sabdfl abaou that at UbuntuDownUnder, maybe we can work something out
[10:45] <EvilIdler> smurfix: Half those words were even English! :)
[10:45] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: how many distros have you carried your home across now?
[10:45] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: Slackware, RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, Ubuntu (on this box)
[10:46] <ratl3> EvilIdler, and your settings kept working?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: hmm. had to hack any of the . folders to keep apps working?
[10:46] <EvilIdler> I've actually had to wipe the KDE settings occasionally
[10:46] <EvilIdler> And Gnome wasn't always so hot, either
[10:46] <Burgundavia> wondered about that
[10:46] <EvilIdler> But all the .mutt data and such survived
[10:46] <EricNeon> smurfix, I want meet Jon Hancock this weekend to talk about my team
[10:47] <Burgundavia> when I moved RH 8 --> Ubuntu I did clean install
[10:47] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: I have tons of sourcecode in $HOME
[10:47] <elcu> any opengl programmers? i'm trying to install mesa so i can write opengl programs, but i don't know which package to get.
[10:47] <balor> Anyone having problems with and Intel 865G under the latest Hoary?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler: I didn't have much, so it wasn't worth the hassle
[10:48] <EvilIdler> elcu: What graphic chipset are you using?
[10:48] <balor> elcu: AFAIK just install X and make sure DRI is working
[10:48] <EvilIdler> Burgundavia: I did blow away my mail data last time, though. Nothing important there, and it was 9 megs :)
[10:48] <elcu> I have an 9600 Pro.
[10:48] <elcu> I installed the fglrx driver
[10:48] <elcu> balor: I need glut.h apparently, and it's not on my comp.
[10:49] <EvilIdler> elcu: That's not part of GL; apt-get install openglut-dev
[10:50] <elcu> EvilIdler: So I don't need Mesa?
[10:50] <EvilIdler> elcu: If it asks for glut.h, I guess you already have the other OpenGL headers. They were probably included when you installed the ATI drivers.
[10:51] <kakalto> how do you write 'Linux' in japanese?
[10:53] <EricNeon> smurfix, we will make this team for all-of-chinese,now there are more language code in chinese around the world,for example GBK/GB18030/zh_CN/zh_TW/zh_SG/GB2312
[10:53] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Ehh..just like we do? Is there even an X in the 'alphabet'?
[10:53] <ratl3> i dont think you do kakalto
[10:53] <kakalto> what's the translation, is what I mean?
[10:53] <ratl3> now, i'm sure the french have their own word for linux
[10:53] <ratl3> hah
[10:53] <holycow> they pronounce it the same
[10:53] <EricNeon> so we will consolidate into UTF-8
[10:53] <holycow> and use latin letters to spell it
[10:54] <EvilIdler> kakalto: I'd expect them to spell it "linuksu"
[10:55] <holycow> EvilIdler, no, just linux
[10:55] <holycow> they may pronounce it something close to that tho
[10:55] <elcu> OK.  a noob question: should i get a virus scanner/firewall?  and if so. which one?
[10:55] <kakalto> so, holycow, they just write blahblahblah linux blahblahblah ?
[10:55] <selinium_> elcu: no need!
[10:55] <kakalto> like this -->  Linux
[10:56] <holycow> *nod*
[10:56] <Artemis3> haha
[10:56] <Artemis3> what you want is tha katakana of it?
[10:56] <elcu> selinium_: really?
[10:56] <kakalto> Artemis3, probably
[10:56] <elcu> what about browser hijacks etc.
[10:56] <kakalto> but how is that spelt?
[10:57] <kakalto> rinukusu?
[10:57] <ratl3> elcu, get a firewall... don't pay attention to him
[10:57] <kakalto> or rinii
[10:57] <kakalto> or rinuu
[10:57] <Artemis3> you think try that in google
[10:57] <Artemis3> i think
[10:57] <elcu> ratl3: any recommendations?
[10:57] <kakalto> I tried it in babelfish...
[10:57] <ratl3> elcu, i use firestarter
[10:57] <ratl3> elcu, it's been real easy for everyone i know to use
[10:57] <Artemis3> not babel, just search google with the katakana
[10:57] <selinium_> elcu: the architecture of linux and the way it handles its permissions means you dont have to worry about virus'
[10:58] <Artemis3> it should be rinukusu
[10:58] <elcu> selinium: righto.
[10:58] <Artemis3> let me see...
[10:58] <gordonjcp> elcu: you have to try quite hard to get viruses to run on Linux
[10:58] <robin__> hi, what is the alternative of kdevelop for gnome ?
[10:58] <holycow> gordonjcp, not on ubuntu
[10:58] <holycow> on ubuntu you just need to trick some user to run a bash script as sudo
[10:58] <elcu> ratl3: i'll try it.  thanks.
[10:58] <selinium_> elcu: I use firestarter as a firewall, but you would only need this really if you are running a webserver
[10:58] <holycow> lol you can wipe the fuckers drive in seconds
[10:58] <ratl3> elcu, but insecure software can still be exploited
[10:58] <gordonjcp> holycow: yeah, but how often does that happen?
[10:59] <holycow> gordonjcp, ubuntu is young, it has few users
[10:59] <gordonjcp> holycow: most Ubuntu users will be coming from Windows
[10:59] <holycow> with universal sudo, just wait
[10:59] <holycow> thats EXACTLY the problem
[10:59] <elcu> selinium_: so, not really necessary for an dial-up user?
[10:59] <holycow> a clever bash script will probably something they download offa website
[10:59] <holycow> it will probably be something somewhat usefull
[10:59] <gordonjcp> holycow: most Windows users will be used to their machines getting it up the jacksie from malicious web pages, malformed MIME and so on
[10:59] <kakalto> actually, rinukusu might be something else
[10:59] <Artemis3> yeah it is
[10:59] <gordonjcp> holycow: none of these are really a problem in Linux
[10:59] <kakalto> I searched it, and found a picture of a fairy :S
[10:59] <holycow> but in the background will install spyware, trojans, etc.
[11:00] <gro> elcu: default ubuntu comes with all inbound ports closed
[11:00] <holycow> lol gordonjcp you do understand ubuntu has universal sudo?
[11:00] <holycow> you do know that you can just do sudo rm -rf *.*
[11:00] <ratl3> gro, it does?
[11:00] <gordonjcp> holycow: and anyone stupid enough to run arbitrary code without understanding it deserves to lose
[11:00] <kakalto> I heard it was rinii, but the guy that told me this spelt it in the katakana
[11:00] <holycow> gordonjcp, no
[11:00] <gordonjcp> holycow: yes, of course, but who in their right mind would do that?
[11:00] <holycow> anyone that stupid deserves to be protected
[11:00] <robin__> well
[11:00] <robin__> anyone ?
[11:00] <ratl3> elcu, nevermind then... you're fine
[11:00] <robin__> :)
[11:00] <Artemis3> a single * is better
[11:00] <gro> ratl3: yes, unless you install something like apache or openssh server
[11:00] <holycow> those that circumvent the protection deserve
[11:00] <gordonjcp> holycow: no, they need to learn
[11:01] <kakalto> I suppose I could write  :P
[11:01] <Artemis3> *.* means only filenames with a dot somewhere
[11:01] <holycow> gordonjcp, sorry mate, lack of skills is not the right argument
[11:01] <elcu> ratl3: righto
[11:01] <ratl3> gro, does it open those ports only for those programs?
[11:01] <holycow> true stupidity does not equate to lack of knowledge
[11:01] <kakalto> except that's ubunshi, isn't it..
[11:01] <elcu> :-)
[11:01] <selinium_> elcu: all firestarter is, is a gui for the IP tables that you get anyway with linux.  :P
[11:02] <elcu> so both mac and linux haven't had virii yet?
[11:02] <kakalto> jono, don't worry, I made the same mistake :P
[11:02] <ratl3> holycow, how many new users are going to be using the terminal?
[11:02] <jono> kakalto, :)
[11:02] <Artemis3> if you are worried make another user account without belonging to admin
[11:03] <holycow> Artemis3, well admitedly my 'haxor' skills are lacking, i'm sure there are ways
[11:03] <jono> anyone getting a bug when you plug ijn USB mass storage and only get it read-only?
[11:03] <holycow> sudoing everything is just nuts
[11:03] <EvilIdler>  h: Join #c for C questions
[11:03] <kakalto> elcu, it's called a McVirus, available at McDonalds with your happy meal
[11:03] <holycow> Bazzi, i guess you missed my earlier rah rah about ubuntu and gnome 2.10 then?
[11:03] <Artemis3> you only sudo administrative tasks
[11:03] <h> i hate those ppl in #c, they know everything
[11:03] <h> apparently
[11:03] <Bazzi> holycow :o
[11:03] <EvilIdler> h: That's the point :)
[11:03] <holycow> gordonjcp, not a very accurate analogy, sudoing everything is like giving a drunk keys to their car
[11:04] <elcu> kakalto: that was horrible. :-)
[11:04] <gordonjcp> holycow: not really
[11:04] <holycow> sure the blame is on the drunk
[11:04] <gordonjcp> holycow: you still need to deliberately run things in sudo
[11:04] <holycow> but a lot of blame is also on the designated driver that gave them the keys
[11:04] <EvilIdler> You need to be drunk to sudo everything.
[11:04] <kakalto> elcu, I know :)
[11:04] <h> :))
[11:04] <holycow> gordonjcp, *nod* i don't disagree, some things need sude, printing, ect.
[11:04] <ratl3> holycow, i think ubuntu's sudo without root is more secure than other distros
[11:05] <holycow> sudo on everything is crazy tho, you may as well just run as root
[11:05] <selinium_> elcu: your a bit paranoid aren't you!
[11:05] <selinium_> elcu: seriously, there is no need to worry!
[11:05] <ratl3> holycow, sudo passwd?
[11:05] <ratl3> heh
[11:05] <holycow> ratl3, well thats the problem
[11:05] <elcu> selinium: i *am* a former windows user.
[11:05] <holycow> most users passwords are simple
[11:05] <selinium_> anyone hear got rosegarden4 running on there machine?
[11:05] <gro> ratl3: or sudo -s ;)
[11:05] <holycow> therefore the ubuntu root access is simple
[11:06] <holycow> i have users on systems that just do start/start ... never mind the security behind that
[11:06] <ratl3> oh
[11:06] <holycow> i cant do that on ubuntu
[11:06] <EvilIdler> Default is still to ask for a password on using sudo.
[11:06] <ratl3> doesn't the user have to have admin priv to do that tho?
[11:06] <holycow> it can't be that simple any more for restricted user by default, now root is basically start
[11:06] <selinium_> elcu: I 'crossed over' about 2 onths ago. my pc actually works now!
[11:06] <gordonjcp> holycow: not using wheel is madness
[11:06] <gro> holycow: yes you can create user which are not allow to sudo
[11:06] <Artemis3> thats why you can either activate root by doing sudo passwd, or make another user without admin priviledges (ie cant use sudo)
[11:07] <ashtray_irc> Wasn't hoary final due for release one of these days?
[11:07] <holycow> gordonjcp, oh i agree with you, not having root from what i see is definately an improvement *nod* ... perhaps just having sudo for things relavent to a restricted user might be better maybe?
[11:07] <elcu> EvilIdler: I can't find opengl_dev in Synaptic
[11:07] <gro> ashtray_irc: friday
[11:08] <Artemis3> april 8
[11:08] <holycow> gro 'can' is sorta improtant part of my point, i'm not trashing ubuntu at all
[11:08] <ashtray_irc> gro: Ah. Thanks.
[11:08] <Artemis3> friday?
[11:08] <holycow> the problem is 'default' imho
[11:08] <Artemis3> ah yes
[11:08] <Artemis3> teehehe
[11:08] <elcu> EvilIdler: I do however have some Mesa packages.
[11:08] <holycow> ubuntu is so great right now, that it makes it very nice for windows users to migrate
[11:08] <holycow> and THAT i am very very afraid of with 'default' permissions
[11:08] <kakalto> everyone seems to be making the mistake of ubuntu release on 8th, not 6th
[11:08] <Artemis3> yes ubuntu is filling that niche
[11:09] <kakalto> err, other way around
[11:09] <kakalto> did they change it or something?
[11:09] <holycow> maybe we need some type of 'policy editor' that helps setup some levels of restrictions at install? i don't know, giving a windows user something so easy to use like ubuntu is asking for trouble with such sudo powers
[11:09] <ashtray_irc> kakalto: I saw 6. somewhere on ubuntulinux.org, can't remember where, and that's why I thought today.
[11:09] <ratl3> hey, i switched from gentoo
[11:09] <EvilIdler> eclu: I'm only familiar with NVidia drivers - they come with their own GL headers for development
[11:09] <ratl3> ubuntu is filling another niche too
[11:09] <ashtray_irc> But those who wait for something good...
[11:09] <gro> kakalto: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[11:09] <kakalto> ashtray_irc, I did a search at the top for release date, and found a release schedule
[11:10] <kakalto> I'm sure that said the 6th, last time I went to it
[11:10] <Artemis3> oh gentoo is fine but not everyone has the patience for so much compiling...
[11:10] <ratl3> yeah, exp on a laptop
[11:10] <ashtray_irc> But ofcourse we'll wait until friday.
[11:10] <holycow> if i may point out one more thing as well, ubuntu with gnome2.10 is far more dangerous than any other desktop environment before it in some interesting ways ...
[11:10] <ashtray_irc> Then i'll fire up bittorrent
[11:10] <ashtray_irc> and download to my heart's content
[11:10] <Artemis3> and i still think freebsd is better :)
[11:10] <ratl3> what are you waiting for?
[11:11] <holycow> ... you guys have polished off the biggest show stoppers for my windows users, thats good and bad
[11:11] <ratl3> you can install it now ashtray
[11:11] <ashtray_irc> and replace mandrake on my laptop!
[11:11] <selinium>  /msg nickserv link selinium_ Galadr1el
[11:11] <holycow> now they actually CAN download, install and just go
[11:11] <holycow> man what a scary thought
[11:11] <Artemis3> selinium: i always wanted a password for your nick ^^
[11:11] <gro> selinium: lol ;)
[11:11] <andrek> anyone got a netmd md working under ubuntu?
[11:11] <Artemis3> (j/k)
[11:11] <EvilIdler> holycow: They will no longer be spambots due to drive-by downloads, though
[11:11] <ashtray_irc> andrek: netmd isn't very usable under linux as a whole
[11:12] <IRCMonkey_> i have a problem who can help me plz?
[11:12] <ashtray_irc> but there is a sf.net project for it
[11:12] <andrek> notmd
[11:12] <andrek> :)
[11:12] <selinium>  I copied it straight from the Nickserv website, the b'sartds!
[11:12] <holycow> EvilIdler, i can very easily trick a windows user to run anything
[11:12] <selinium> :)
[11:12] <holycow> its trivial
[11:12] <holycow> you don't even haveto try
[11:12] <holycow> just give them a link and some instructions
[11:12] <Artemis3> hehehehe
[11:12] <andrek> what about ipod then? how is that with linux(ubuntu)
[11:12] <holycow> they will happily fuck up their system
[11:12] <EvilIdler> elcu: Do you have xlibmesa-gl-dev?
[11:12] <IRCMonkey_> i have that problem with the sound system in ubuntu hoary... i want to use 2 sound in the background
[11:12] <holycow> and then blame it on us
[11:12] <mkedwards> Should it bother me that both vga16fb and vesafb modules have been loaded (during livecd boot)?
[11:13] <EvilIdler> holycow: Well, they ARE the simplest of individuals ;)
[11:13] <Bazzi> holycow yeah tell them to sudo rm -rf / :D
[11:13] <holycow> EvilIdler, :)
[11:13] <holycow> Bazzi, thats funny, yet at the same time not funny
[11:13] <holycow> heh :)
[11:13] <h> holycow: when did u start using linux?
[11:13] <IRCMonkey_> i have that problem with the sound system in ubuntu hoary... i want to use 2 sound in the background
[11:13] <elcu> EvilIdler: yes.
[11:13] <elcu> I think I need this folder: /usr/include/GL
[11:13] <EvilIdler> It's auto-darwinisation.
[11:14] <elcu> But it doesn't exist.
[11:14] <Artemis3> 2 sound? thats simple if the apps use esound
[11:14] <holycow> h well, as i know where your going with it, why don't you just say what you are going to say :)
[11:14] <EvilIdler> elcu: That folder may be elsewhere
[11:14] <Artemis3> play rhythmbox and xmms and gnome noises
[11:14] <ratl3> elcu, gentoo was much nicer for writing code to me
[11:14] <Artemis3> 3 sounds ;)
[11:15] <ratl3> elcu, oops i shouldn't have said that here
[11:15] <elcu> EvilIdler: 'locate' comes up with nothing.
[11:15] <EvilIdler> elcu: Ihave /usr/include/GL, which contains links from /usr/X11R6/include/GL/
[11:15] <elcu> EvilIdler: Should I install that Mesa package?
[11:15] <Artemis3> for writting code? you miss the devel apps?
[11:15] <holycow> elcu, did you do updatedb?  just incase i missed earlier post
[11:15] <Artemis3> you can alwayws install em
[11:15] <elcu> Artemis: Yes.  I'm figuring out which package to get.
[11:15] <EvilIdler> elcu: Sounds like something wrong with your filesystem if the package is there, but the haeders are gone
[11:16] <Xnecromancers> ok so like that... i can't hear music and play a flash sound(for example)
[11:16] <Artemis3> oh, thats another matter ;)
[11:16] <EvilIdler> elcu: Reinstall the xlibmesa-gl-dev package, then
[11:16] <elcu> EvilIdler: I haven't installed it yet. :-)  I thought you meant if I could see it in Synaptic ... which I can.
[11:16] <Xnecromancers> if you say so...
[11:16] <ratl3> Artemis3, yeah, that's what i'm talking about
[11:16] <EvilIdler> elcu: No, I meant do you *currently* have it ;)
[11:16] <ratl3> Artemis3, on gentoo you HAVE to have the right dev packages for everything
[11:16] <elcu> EvilIdler: Oh.  Then no. :-)
[11:17] <Artemis3> i think i learned the packages of using so many distros already
[11:17] <EvilIdler> elcu: Then it's like I said first - just install that
[11:17] <elcu> EvilIdler: So that's the package to get then?
[11:17] <EvilIdler> elcu: It should be
[11:17] <rdurand> lu all
[11:18] <elcu> EvilIdler: OK thanks.  I'll try it.
[11:18] <Artemis3> and you can always do a compile just to make sure you have all
[11:18] <Artemis3> even if you don't plan to install it or anything
[11:18] <selinium> anyone hear got rosegarden4 running on there machine?
[11:18] <EvilIdler> elcu: Get xlibmesa-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev
[11:18] <elcu> Artemis3: compile what exactly?
[11:19] <elcu> EvilIdler: That was exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks.
[11:19] <Artemis3> i guess it depends in what you want
[11:19] <Artemis3> which language, etc
[11:19] <kakalto>
[11:19] <jsgotangco> WHOA
[11:19] <Artemis3> ^^!
[11:19] <jsgotangco> that looked awesome in my client
[11:19] <kakalto> is that right...
[11:19] <kakalto> ?
[11:19] <elcu> Artemis3: Ah, gotcha now.
[11:19] <Burgundavia> I can actually see it
[11:19] <Artemis3> paste arab too ;)
[11:20] <kakalto> paste?
[11:20] <Artemis3> or type
[11:20] <Artemis3> whatever
[11:20] <EvilIdler> X-Chat has working i18n support, as kakalto confirmed for me :)
[11:20] <kakalto> jsgotangco, it's called japanese
[11:20] <kakalto> :)
[11:20] <mkedwards> Should I expect WEP to work from the livecd?
[11:20] <Artemis3> does it worth with right to left?
[11:20] <jsgotangco> *grin* try esperanto or latin
[11:20] <kakalto> I don't have arab text input
[11:20] <Xnecromancers> I have problems with hearing music from two programs in ubuntu who can help me please?
[11:20] <Xnecromancers> I have problems with hearing music from two programs in ubuntu who can help me please?
[11:20] <EvilIdler> Arabic and Hebrew ggoes the wrong way
[11:21] <Artemis3> hahaha
[11:21] <kakalto> no surprise there
[11:21] <Artemis3> but its an interesting problem
[11:21] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: which 2?
[11:21] <Artemis3> adapt software for them
[11:21] <kakalto> xchat likely anchors all text to the left, so as you input it, it goes left
[11:21] <Xnecromancers> you see if i want to hear music from gstream and from flash player in the net i can't
[11:22] <ratl3> i'm outta here.. thanks for your exorcism help EvilIdler
[11:22] <Artemis3> gtk is supposed to handle it, so i wonder
[11:22] <EvilIdler> ratl3: Hehe
[11:22] <Artemis3> and even more fun is mixing things
[11:23] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: you see if i want to hear music from gstream and from flash player in the net i can't
[11:23] <selinium> When i try and start rosegarden4 i get an error message saying Jack server not started. can any one help me with this?
[11:23] <kakalto> I suppose I better stop learning japanese to this channel
[11:23] <EricNeon> mako, are you here?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: for flash http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[11:24] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: It's not just flash.
[11:24] <EricNeon> I will sent you mail to introduce the members of ubuntu-zh
[11:25] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: that solves that. What other app?
[11:26] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: If i change in the "Multimedia System Selector" to alsa it's not playing\
[11:26] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: should be esd
[11:26] <Xnecromancers> esd works in delay if i pause
[11:26] <Xnecromancers> i want alsa
[11:27] <Xnecromancers> linux it's freedom
[11:28] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: I want alsa
[11:28] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: canna help ya then
[11:29] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: Why not?
[11:29] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: Ubuntu uses esd, with hooks to alsa
[11:29] <lunitik> Xnecromancers: because he doesn't know about using raw alsa perhaps?
[11:29] <balor> Burgundavia: you probably have alsa
[11:29] <selinium> does anyone know about the JACK server?
[11:29] <lunitik> selinium: I'm sure someone does... try asking...
[11:30] <kakalto> selinium, what does it JACK?
[11:30] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: OK... so how does i stop the delay with esd?
[11:30] <carambol> go to Sound...and uncheck Sound server and the other option there
[11:30] <Xeon3D> While trying to compile something I got this error: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!  <- what package do I need?
[11:30] <kakalto> I mean what is a JACK
[11:30] <kakalto> :S
[11:30] <lunitik> kakalto: JACK is simular to ESD or GStreamer ... perhaps more like ESD though...
[11:30] <kakalto> ahk
[11:30] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: hmm. Not a sound expert. Cannot help you there either
[11:30] <balor> Xeon3D: install x-dev
[11:30] <selinium> lunitik: i have been! I am trying to start rosegarden4 and it fails saying JACK server isn't running. JACK server i believe is an audio server.
[11:31] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: If i play some music and i push the pause buttom it's take a while and then it stops playing.. it's not amidetl
[11:31] <lunitik> selinium: apt-get install jackd
[11:31] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: that is odd. I don't see that. I would log back in and see if it does it, and then file a bug
[11:31] <lunitik> selinium: should be able to 'jackd start' or simular... else... look in /etc/init.d/jackd
[11:32] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: OK man thanks.
[11:32] <lunitik> Xnecromancers: strange... I was just watching movies... only happens here in full screen mode...
[11:32] <Burgundavia> Xnecromancers: hey, np
[11:32] <Xeon3D> thanks balor
[11:32] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: It's happed all the time in my P4 2.8
[11:32] <lunitik> Xnecromancers: if that is the case there too... its cuz your video sucks... has nothing to do with sound.
[11:32] <Xnecromancers> :)
[11:33] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: Man i'm talking about the sound i hear music and pause not vedios
[11:33] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: And i have ati 9200
[11:34] <lunitik> Xnecromancers: ahh... yeah... that deff doesn't happen here... mp3's and ogg's all play as expected...
[11:34] <Xnecromancers> Burgundavia: ? i dont understand what you have just said
[11:34] <lunitik> Xnecromancers: np = no problem
[11:35] <Xnecromancers> i know..
[11:35] <lunitik> Xnecromancers: I don't see anything else you might not understand...
[11:35] <Xnecromancers> you say that it's happen in mp3?
[11:35] <lunitik> Xnecromancers: I said that it doesn't...
[11:35] <selinium> lunitik: I have jackd installed. But it says it is not running? also this error: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[11:35] <Xnecromancers> ho..
[11:35] <Xnecromancers> cuz it does
[11:36] <lunitik> selinium: ahh... I don't know how to generate that node...
[11:36] <Xnecromancers> nvm
[11:36] <selinium> lunitk: np
[11:36] <Xnecromancers> thanks for trying..
[11:36] <selinium> lunitik: cheers for trying!
[11:37] <lunitik> selinium: look in /usr/share/doc/jackd  though... should give decent docs for setting it up...
[11:37] <selinium> lunitik: cheers for the pointer!
[11:38] <jeavis> I need help How I can get the new gnome enviroment
[11:39] <lunitik> cept it was mdz that disagreed that that was a good idea... bah
[11:40] <mdz> lunitik: I beg your pardon?
[11:40] <jeavis> I need help How I can get the new gnome enviroment
[11:41] <lunitik> mdz: we had a disagreement about ubuntu-desktop depending on strictly totem-gstreamer prior to warty release...
[11:41] <balor> Does anyone know the name of the package containing xf86vmode.h?
[11:41] <mdz> lunitik: ubuntu-desktop has always depended on 'totem', and still does
[11:42] <Artemis3> yes, despite the IP issues, gstreamer sucks for everyone ;)
[11:42] <mdz> and for good reason
[11:42] <lunitik> mdz: nah... installing totem-xine used to remove ubuntu-desktop ...
[11:42] <Artemis3> and its almost the required first thing a user must do
[11:42] <mdz> lunitik: yes, because totem depended on totem-gstreamer
[11:42] <mdz> lunitik: trust me, I know of what I speak
[11:43] <lunitik> mdz: bah... either way... its different now... totem-xine doesn't remove ubuntu-desktop... and this is why I thanked seb128 (he is maintaining 'totem'...)
[11:44] <mdz> lunitik: seb128 and I are well acquainted ;-)
[11:44] <lunitik> mdz: collegues tend to be  ;P
[11:44] <mdz> and we agreed on the solution
[11:44] <mdz> which is not the same as the solution which I rejected
[11:44] <seb128> :)
[11:44] <alterim> can someone help
[11:45] <snowblink> I've just installed Hoary on VMware on top of WinXP. Has anyone tried using this sort of setup in the long term?
[11:45] <alterim> i can't seem to unpack .rar files
[11:45] <lunitik> mdz: I recall you disagreeing at first with it... and I always just installed mplayer after so as to not interrupt ubuntu-desktop...
[11:45] <alterim> i downloaded unrar too but it still doesn't work
[11:45] <alterim> any help?
[11:45] <Artemis3> alterim: ubuntuguide.org
[11:45] <alterim> aka you can't help or?
[11:45] <kent> Hmm, I got this stupid id this morning. Why not patch update-manager, synaptic (or whatever) to use bittorrent-files for upgrading? That way the network-load on ubuntu servers will not be so high (though I have had no problems yet with slow servers.. but its a cool id).
[11:45] <Artemis3> unrar should do..
[11:46] <mdz> lunitik: I don't have time to argue about this, but I will explain once and clearly: my opposition was to adding alternative dependencies to ubuntu-desktop, while the solution which was adopted was to modify the dependencies of the 'totem' package
[11:46] <lunitik> seb128: anyways... thank you again... much appreciated... now to work on getting rid or xpdf  8)
[11:46] <Artemis3> oh thats what triggered the whole bittorrent2 discussion... it will take a while
[11:46] <nomeata> Hi. A ubuntu user mailed me because I maintain a debia package and asked me questions why my package is not up to date. It is in debian, but ubuntu still has an older version. so I wonder when ubuntu updates the packages they take directly from debian?
[11:47] <seb128> lunitik: np. breezy will probably have evince has default pdf viewer
[11:47] <lunitik> mdz: ahh... ok... I don't think I stuck around for the conclusion  :)
[11:47] <seb128> s/has default/as default/
[11:47] <lunitik> seb128: yay... still have to live with xpdf for a while longer though  :)
[11:47] <Burgundavia> seb128: thank you so much for that
[11:48] <seb128> yeah, but gpdf doesn't handle type3 fonts
[11:48] <jeavis> How I can get gnome2
[11:48] <seb128> and evince is quite new, not easy to push it for hoary
[11:48] <Burgundavia> nomeata: if it is in universe, talk at #ubuntu-motu
[11:48] <aljosa> on ubuntu site stands that modem (slmodem driver) on ibm r40 works but it doesn't. any help/instructions/links?
[11:48] <Artemis3> i dont mind if ubuntu-desktop vanishes at all when installing totem-xine
[11:48] <Artemis3> its pretty symbolic anyway
[11:48] <nomeata> Burgundavia: how can I tell where it is?
[11:49] <lunitik> seb128: especially not now... but from what I have seen of it... it seems pretty stable etc... doesn't seem like it would be a difficult sell over xpdf...
[11:49] <seb128> nomeata: the archive is frozen for some time new, hoary is for this week
[11:49] <Burgundavia> nomeata: does it have a little ubuntu logo next to it?
[11:49] <seb128> nomeata: we will sync new versions again then
[11:49] <Burgundavia> nomeata: if it doesn't it is universe or multiverse
[11:49] <seb128> that's not an universe matter
[11:49] <seb128> nomeata: what package ?
[11:49] <nomeata> seb128: yarssr
[11:50] <jeavis> How I can get gnome
[11:50] <nomeata> here is the user asking: http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=2261
[11:50] <lunitik> seb128: is the reasoning behind Grumpy documented anywhere? Seems to deviate from initial reasons for devels using Hoary  :(
[11:50] <thoreauputic> jeavis: you have it already?
[11:50] <lunitik> (ie, they are more likely to fix breakage because it will piss them off  :P )
[11:51] <jeavis> thoreauputic; I cant access to the desktop
[11:51] <nomeata> Burgundavia: where would it have the icon? is there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[11:51] <jeavis> thoreauputic; I have a message for a error in the session
[11:51] <Burgundavia> nomeata: in ubuntu itself
[11:51] <jeavis> I want to install again
[11:51] <ante> okay, i need a c/c++ dev enviroment under gtk/gtk2... ahint?
[11:51] <rainer> hi ya all! I just installed ubuntu on my g3 Powerbook Pismo, most things work fine, but there are still some problems I can't figure out
[11:51] <seb128> nomeata: it'll be synced from debian after the freeze
[11:51] <seb128> lunitik: what do you speak about ?
[11:52] <lunitik> nomeata: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[11:52] <rainer> when I install the mozilla-flash plugin firefox freezes
[11:52] <thoreauputic> ante: anjuta
[11:52] <nomeata> seb128: ok, thanks
[11:52] <seb128> np
[11:52] <jeavis>  thoreauputic; I cant access to the desktop
[11:52] <elcu> OK.  I installed the mesa packages, but when I try and compile a program, it says that glut.h is missing.
[11:52] <ante> thoreauputic, that any good? has code completion?
[11:52] <elcu> I have some files in /usr/include/GL
[11:53] <elcu> but glut.h is missing.
[11:53] <elcu> And I'm not sure which package has it.
[11:53] <rainer> ans second when I try mozilla-mplay it dwnloads stream till 99% and then does nothing for hours
[11:53] <lunitik> seb128: Last I head, Grumpy will be used simularly to Sid, and Breezy will be the next version... but I recall the reasons behind devels using the devel branch were for bugs to annoy them, and to speed freeze stabalization...
[11:53] <thoreauputic> ante: I'm not a coder - I just know it exists in the repositories
[11:53] <lunitik> (probably worded horribly again..)
[11:53] <lunitik> s/head/heard/
[11:54] <thoreauputic> ante: maybe try apt-cahe show anjuta and look at the web site
[11:54] <selinium> hi thoreauputic, can you help with an install of rosegarden4 it eroors: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[11:54] <thoreauputic> *apt-cache show
[11:54] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm - I can' t get rosegarden working here either....
[11:55] <lunitik> Soyuz?
[11:55] <jeavis> somebody can help me I can start my gnome session
[11:55] <lunitik> jeavis: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:55] <closure> you should ditch gnome and get kde >8-P
[11:55] <aljosa> crimsun: sorry for inconvinience, is sl-modem driver working for you on ubuntu?
[11:55] <selinium> thoreauputic: then I stand no chance! Have you started the jackd server?
[11:56] <jeavis> lunitik; what I need to do
[11:56] <thoreauputic> selinium: I haven't tried very hard, to be honest :)
[11:56] <lunitik> jeavis: umm... hit the right keys?
[11:57] <flipy> hi!
[11:57] <lunitik> flipy: hi
[11:58] <flipy> i need to set up a proxy to complete the installation
[11:58] <flipy> but if i ran expert i don't know half of the questions
[11:58] <selinium> thoreauputuc: jackd -d alsa || jackd -d oss          to start jackd, then it tries to start on my machine
[11:58] <elcu> Is there a way I can call gcc-3.2 just by using 'gcc', and the same for g++-3.2?
[11:58] <flipy> and if i ran default it doesn't prompt me to set up a proxy
[11:58] <lunitik> flipy: you can't install off the cd? (choose 'no' to download from internet... ) then set it up when the system is up?
[11:59] <flipy> lunitik, so, how do i do it after the installation?
[12:00] <root> lunitik; what I need to write y forget
[12:00] <waxhead> hey everyone
[12:00] <thoreauputic> root: you should *not* IRC as root !
[12:00] <waxhead> man.. another 110 meg upgrade tonight...
[12:00] <lunitik> flipy: there is a tool within GNOME that will allow you to ...
[12:00] <flipy> ok thanks lunitik
[12:01] <lunitik> flipy: in hoary... System > Preferences > Network Proxy ... don't know where it is in warty...
[12:02] <lunitik> (been a long time since I used that...)
[12:02] <elcu> anyone?
[12:02] <flipy> lunitik, i'll try it
[12:02] <flipy> thank you a lot
[12:02] <EricNeon> bb
[12:02] <lunitik> elcu: you can set GCC version in most configure scripts
[12:03] <lunitik> elcu: if you don't know how to do such things though, then I question why you are compiling anything...
[12:04] <jeavis> I can start my gnome session, what I need to do
[12:04] <lunitik> jeavis: what are you trying to do?
[12:05] <EvilIdler> Any Greek users here?
[12:05] <bas> EvilIdler, yes, just ask your question
[12:05] <jeavis> lunitik; I want to start a session and appears a message that said tha my ssesio during < 10 secs that I have and error
[12:05] <lunitik> jeavis: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ... set debconf to ask for 'low' priority questions... and configure X correctly...
[12:06] <EvilIdler> bas: I am trying to figure out the Greek keymap, and can't find the letter  as in ""
[12:06] <elcu> lunitik: the gcc and g++ packages seem to have been removed after another package's install.  i guess i'll just install them again
[12:06] <lunitik> elcu: they are not installed by default... apt-get install build-essential
[12:07] <EvilIdler> bas: I basically don't know what key to press (or keys)
[12:07] <elcu> lunitik: worked it out.  thanks.
[12:08] <ante> anyone knows of cd/dvd butning app under gtk?
[12:09] <bas> EvilIdler, so you have a british keyboard and want to type greek?
[12:09] <EvilIdler> bas: Would you happen to have a photo of a Greek keyboard? ;)
[12:09] <EvilIdler> bas: Norwegian, actually
[12:09] <lz> hi there
[12:09] <lz> i have a nvidia card
[12:09] <lunitik> ante: apt-get install coaster
[12:09] <ante> lunitik, that any good?
[12:10] <EvilIdler> lz: That's one of the top questions here - we might be able to help :)
[12:10] <selinium> lunitk: where was that jackd doc again, sorry :)
[12:10] <bas> EvilIdler, no i don't own one either. but you should put multiple layout in your xorg.conf, e.g. Option      "XkbLayout" "gb,el" and then also a layout switcher key: Option      "XkbOptions" "grp:ctrl_shift_toggle"
[12:10] <lz> evilidler: i seem to be not getting full graphic acceleration :(
[12:10] <ante> lz: me too
[12:10] <ante> :)
[12:10] <lunitik> ante: actually... nevermind, thats not in the archive... apt-get install graveman
[12:10] <lz> ante: :)
[12:10] <ante> that's definitely the biggest question on any linux channel
[12:11] <lunitik> ante: I don't use GUI tools though... its faster to just use cdrecord itself for me
[12:11] <selinium> lz: hae you looked at www.ubuntuguide.org it has a few pointers!
[12:11] <lz> nope i shall check
[12:11] <selinium> ante: www.ubuntuguide.org for nvidia stuf
[12:11] <ante> lunitik, that burn dvds too?
[12:11] <ante> selinium, it didn't worked
[12:11] <lunitik> ante: it should...
[12:11] <EvilIdler> bas: I'm looking at the KDE tool. I think it's setting it up..what key do you press to type omicron with tonos?
[12:12] <lz> excellent
[12:12] <bas> EvilIdler, no idea
[12:12] <lz> i hope it works! thanks for the info, selinium
[12:12] <lunitik> ante: it depends dvd+rw-tools, so yes it does
[12:12] <selinium> lz: np :)
[12:13] <selinium> lz: remember to back up the files as instructed just in case!
[12:14] <selinium> ante: are you using the NV driver or the nVidia driver?
[12:15] <xukun_> would like to be able to spell check in Dutch. How can I add these language?
[12:15] <lz> okie
[12:15] <carambol> language-pack-nl
[12:15] <fridge> xukun_ install aspell-nl
[12:15] <lunitik> xukun: such things should be depended on by your specifig language pack
[12:16] <lunitik> bah... what carambol said
[12:16] <selinium> lz: just in case if you do something and you loose the graphical interface, you can sign on at the command line and use irc by typing irssi
[12:16] <xukun_> thanks guys
[12:16] <lunitik> and fridge... cept... carambol's answer was better
[12:16] <carambol> buh
[12:16] <EvilIdler> bas: I think I have the toggle in my xorg now, at least. Cheers :)
[12:16] <lz> selinium sweet
[12:16] <madjpm> Hi !
[12:16] <lz> let me restart x now!
[12:16] <lz> brb
[12:17] <waxhead> 8783 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1756.600 FPS
[12:17] <lz> sweeeeeeeeeeeet
[12:17] <lz> mother of jesus
[12:17] <lz> very nice
[12:18] <madjpm> I have a problem with my eepro100 network card with a toshiba satellite pro 4600, the driver is load => mii -(ee100 + eepro100)- , I can set an ip with ifconfig but no network
[12:18] <donely> can anybody tell me why ClamAV or similar antivirus isn't included in any distributions as default?
[12:18] <waxhead> lz
[12:18] <Burgundavia> donely: there are no real Linux virii
[12:18] <paulb> Hello Does anyone know how to configure an Ubunu desktop to log on a windows domain?
[12:18] <waxhead> lz, you get it working?
[12:18] <lz> yeah!
[12:18] <thoreauputic> donely: because viruses in linux are almost unknown
[12:18] <selinium> lz: before you go, a few tips! if you hold down control + SHIFT AND PRESS f1 yuo will go to the command line screen, f7 to come back. give it a go
[12:18] <lunitik> xukun: actually... you probably want 'language-support-nl' ... which isn't a dep of language-pack-nl ...
[12:18] <waxhead> lz, run glxgears and show me what frame rate you get
[12:18] <lz> ok
[12:19] <donely> Burgundavia: I know, but it seems a little cocky that the linuxworld isn't preparing when solutions exist
[12:19] <fridge> haha!
[12:19] <Burgundavia> donely: av is only as good as the defs in it
[12:19] <waxhead> donely, it's only a problem if you do everything as root
[12:19] <Burgundavia> donely: when virii start appearing, clam av will start coming out
[12:19] <lz> lemme private msg you
[12:19] <waxhead> donely, and if you are doing that, then you need to assess if you shouldn't be back on windows.. :)
[12:19] <Burgundavia> donely: until then, it is merely one more program to maintain with possible security bugs
[12:20] <Burgundavia> so in other words, currently an antivirus program would probably do more harm than good
[12:20] <donely> Burgundavia: I'm just thinking, that to convert some people, it should be there...anyway..you're probably right with the "one more to support" thing
[12:20] <donely> Burgundavia: thx
[12:21] <lunitik> grrr
[12:21] <waxhead> donely, convert conshmert... they either do or they don't.. AV isn't going to make the decisionf or them
[12:21] <thoreauputic> donely: on the contrary, the lack of need for virus checkers in linux is a big selling point
[12:21] <Burgundavia> the thing is, most people don't realize that they could do without one
[12:21] <lunitik> bah... language-pack-nl-base only recommends language-pack-nl ... but yeah...
[12:22] <Burgundavia> windows has trained them well
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: indeed
[12:22] <selinium> hi caffinated!
[12:22] <donely> hehe
[12:24] <paulb> Can anyone please tell me how to configure ubuntu to logon to a windoze 2K domain and if it is possible?
[12:24] <ante> i installed nvidia drivers and changed XF86 file to what they said on ubuntu guide page... i still can't get glxgears beyond 3 digits?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> donely: OMG - there's no Spybot Search and Destroy or Adaware for Linux!!! *grin*
[12:24] <waxhead> paulb, should me, go hit the samba.org site and read up
[12:24] <donely> thoreauputic: bah ;)
[12:24] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:24] <fabbione> ante: glxgears is not a benchmarks.. that's why
[12:25] <donely> thoreauputic: but seriously, how do I install the coolwwwsearch toolbar in firefox in ubuntu?
[12:25] <ante> fabbione, how could i benchmark it?
[12:25] <fabbione> ante: anything over 100 fps is more than ok.
[12:25] <fabbione> ante: any game you have...
[12:25] <paulb> Thanx waxhead looks like my only option.
[12:25] <thoreauputic> donely: oh... you need Gator-for-Linux too...
[12:26] <fabbione> ante: your eye won't be able to even recognize that refresh rate
[12:26] <donely> thoreauputic: well I've gotten GAIN to work through WINE, so I'm gettin' there
[12:26] <ante> fabbione, should i disable "dri" module? guide doesn't say so
[12:27] <fabbione> ante: read the nvidia documentation. there are 90229382 options to configure the driver properly and that's on a case-by-case base according to your hw
[12:27] <fabbione> impossible to make a generic guide
[12:27] <ante> hw?
[12:27] <ante> ah, hardware
[12:27] <ante> any links?
[12:27] <ante> :)
[12:29] <ante> fabbione, any links?
[12:29] <fabbione> ante: zless /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/nvidia-settings-user-guide.txt.gz
[12:29] <fabbione> ante: easy.. i was searching for it.. give people a sec
[12:29] <ante> fabbione, sorry... thx for helping
[12:31] <ante> another problem... i installed tux racer via synaptic, how can i run it? there is no tuxracer command...
[12:32] <waxhead> ante, type tuxracer at the command line?
[12:33] <Sav> How do i send a directory and all its content with ftp (command line ftp)
[12:33] <Burgundavia> anybody else having slow cd burning?
[12:34] <verden01> i have ubuntu hoary installed and the only problem i'm having is if i leave the computer downloading for a long time for somereason it shuts down and reboots  any ideas?
[12:36] <Em`Zee> I'm running Ubuntu Warty and everything's going great except after exactly 59 minutes of uptime (going on 1hr) the machine beeps three times and locks up
[12:36] <Em`Zee> My cron job isn't scheduled to run until *:17 so I don't think it's that
[12:36] <Em`Zee> but I can't figure out why it crashes on the hour mark
[12:37] <Sav> How do i send a directory and all its content with ftp (command line ftp)
[12:38] <john___> Hello? Anybody here?
[12:38] <waxhead> nope
[12:38] <naito> i dont thik so
[12:38] <naito>  :P
[12:38] <naito> think*
[12:39] <thoreauputic> john___: only 461 of us at last count
[12:39] <snowblink> Sav, mput, but you might use scp - it's easier and more secure
[12:40] <john___> ok. I have a newbie question about the  Ubuntu installation.
[12:40] <naito> ok
[12:41] <john___> I have two disks installed in my computer. Will I be able to choose wich disk to install on?
[12:41] <thoreauputic> john___: yes
[12:41] <naito> yes ..
[12:42] <john___> okay. I am running Windows on one of them, and I do not want to erase that disk.
[12:42] <john___> Thank you very much! You have been most helpful!
[12:42] <kakalto>
[12:43] <mjr> oyasuminasai?
[12:44] <Em`Zee> I'm running Ubuntu Warty and everything's going great except after exactly 59 minutes of uptime (going on 1hr) the machine beeps three times and locks up
[12:44] <kakalto> yeh
[12:44] <kakalto> :S
[12:46] <jagera27> Greetings thoreauputic-et al. Had to give up on lftp-just couldn't get 'put' to work. got into the server and could make/delete dir's, just couldn't upload files.
[12:46] <linuxboy> Em`Zee: i have never heard of that one! I leave my PC on for the whole day
[12:46] <thoreauputic> jagera27: that's odd
[12:47] <jagera27> So used gftp instead-very easy. am now starting to build the web site, slowly
[12:47] <jagera27> thanks for the help anyway
[12:48] <thoreauputic> jagera27: you can also use nautilus for ftp - did you know that?
[12:49] <jagera27> not really. is it any better than Search for Files:-)
[12:49] <thoreauputic> jagera27: heh - if gftp works for you just use that :)
[12:50] <waxhead> ok.. what do I need to install to get 'cc
[12:50] <jagera27> yes, can't quite shake off my gui dependancy
[12:50] <waxhead> '
[12:50] <waxhead> it's a compiler...
[12:51] <thoreauputic> waxhead: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:51] <thoreauputic> waxhead: gcc is the GNU cc compiler
[12:52] <snowblink> Em`Zee, what do your logs say is happening?
[12:53] <waxhead> thoreauputic, thanks.. couldn't find the right package...
[12:54] <thoreauputic> waxhead: it isn't intuitively obvious, is it ? *g*
[12:54] <waxhead> thoreauputic, acutally that's going to install an older version of gcc over the one that's already installed, which is 3.4
[12:56] <thoreauputic> waxhead: hmmm - did you install that separately? Ubuntu doesn't install gcc by default
[12:57] <waxhead> thoreauputic, no.. it was like that when I got here...
[12:58] <thoreauputic> someone else set up your machine?
[12:58] <Em`Zee> I'll be in later today explaining the logs
[12:58] <waxhead> thoreauputic, nope.. must me
[12:58] <Em`Zee> (which are empty) =P
[12:58] <Em`Zee> sorry
[12:58] <Em`Zee> bbl
[12:58] <waxhead> s/must/just/
[12:59] <waxhead> thoreauputic, I'm going to install it anyway
[12:59] <victor> anyone alive?
[12:59] <closure> yep
[12:59] <waxhead> no.. but breathing...
[12:59] <thoreauputic> build-essential installs the relevant build tools - it's a package that depends on gcc, g++ , make etc
[01:00] <waxhead> thoreauputic, wonder if it installed the gcc stuff when I installed the kernel sources?
[01:01] <roshambo> hello all
[01:01] <Sung> how howhi
[01:01] <Sung> hi
[01:01] <Sung> hehe
[01:01] <Sung> how do i force eject a cd ?
[01:01] <waxhead> type eject on the commandline?
[01:01] <Sung> won't work
[01:01] <Sung> device is busy
[01:01] <waxhead> unmount it first then hit the eject button?
[01:01] <Sung> but i just rebooted
[01:02] <roshambo> ive found a typo in the default page that firefox shows (this is on hoary that i installed yesterday)... is it worth filing a bug report?
[01:02] <waxhead> Sung, make sure you don't have something open pointing at /cdrom
[01:02] <etzerd> hello all
[01:02] <waxhead> Sung, what do you get when you type 'mount'?
[01:02] <GNAM> have you corrected remaining bugs?
[01:02] <victor> should i go ahead and install the haory RC or should i wait two more days for the release?
[01:02] <GNAM> wait 2 more days.
[01:03] <Sung> waxhead, /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=bob)
[01:03] <keffo> how do i get my xorg to accept resolution changes? err:x11settings:X11DRV_ChangeDisplaySettingsExW No matching mode found! (NoRes)
[01:04] <victor> gnam:  couldn't i just upgrade from RC->release when release comes out?
[01:04] <GNAM> no
[01:04] <victor> via apt-get?
[01:04] <GNAM> no
[01:04] <GNAM> you have two days to try gentoo
[01:04] <Sung> cd rom won't umount
[01:04] <snowblink> victor, go ahead and install the RC.
[01:04] <GNAM> then you can install ubuntu
[01:04] <victor> haha.. i'm an experienced gentoo user.
[01:04] <thoreauputic> GNAM: go away
[01:04] <GNAM> auuau
[01:04] <waxhead> Sung, as root type umount /media/cdrom0
[01:05] <GNAM> I'm waiting two days
[01:05] <Sung> waxhead, sez the device is busy
[01:05] <snowblink> victor, just be aware there may be a large amount to download as final bugs are fixed
[01:05] <victor> cool
[01:05] <waxhead> thoreauputic, well, at least now I have cc... pity the module won't compile
[01:05] <victor> that's what i figured.
[01:05] <Sung> i am sure i am not running anything
[01:05] <thoreauputic> victor: of course you can update - pay no attention to GNAM
[01:06] <GNAM> update is NOT GARANTEED between beta and final.
[01:06] <waxhead> Sung, try this then:  lsof | grep -i cdrom
[01:06] <thoreauputic> GNAM: troll elsewhere
[01:06] <GNAM> .
[01:06] <victor> is hoary gnome 2.10 or 2.8?
[01:07] <GNAM> 2.10
[01:07] <snowblink> Sung, make sure you're not inside the CD somewhere
[01:07] <waxhead> 2.10
[01:07] <BuffaloSoldier> GNAM, are you related to GNOME?
[01:07] <GNAM> no
[01:07] <GNAM> :P
[01:07] <BuffaloSoldier> :)
[01:07] <Sung> hmm
[01:08] <Sung> xine       9851       root   14r   REG        3,0<PHONE_NUMBER>        266 /media/cdrom0/Ghost_in_the_Shell_Innocence.DVD(xvid.ac3-5.1)[KAA] [00C92C0A] .mkv
[01:08] <Sung> xine      11222        bob   14r   REG        3,0<PHONE_NUMBER>        266 /media/cdrom0/Ghost_in_the_Shell_Innocence.DVD(xvid.ac3-5.1)[KAA] [00C92C0A] .mkv
[01:08] <waxhead> Sung, haha.. that's your problem them
[01:08] <waxhead> Sung, kill 9851
[01:08] <Sung> xine isn't running atm.
[01:08] <thoreauputic> Sung: try  umount -r -l /media/cdrom0  (or whatever your mount point is)
[01:08] <snowblink> Sung, ps aux | grep xine
[01:08] <thoreauputic> aha
[01:08] <Sung> kill 9851
[01:08] <waxhead> kill 11222 if it's still running
[01:09] <waxhead> hmm.. just be safer and ps aux | grep xine to make sure that those are the right pids
[01:09] <Sung> device still busy
[01:09] <Sung> cannot unmount
[01:09] <snowblink> Sung, looks like root was running xine - is that right?
[01:10] <waxhead> snowblink, looks that way...
[01:10] <waxhead> Sung, what does ps aux | grep xine show?
[01:11] <Sung> root      9851  0.4  7.2<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ?      S    06:22   0:12 xine
[01:11] <Sung> root     13186  0.0  0.2  1824  576 pts/0    S+   07:11   0:00 grep xine
[01:11] <snowblink> Sung, sudo kill -9 9851
[01:11] <waxhead> Sung, as root, kill those process
[01:11] <Sung> i had just rebooted i shouldn't be running anything
[01:11] <waxhead> Sung, but ps is telling you it is...
[01:11] <Outoff_> is there another GUI besides GNOME in Ubuntu?
[01:11] <waxhead> Outoff_, kde, in kubuntu
[01:11] <BuffaloSoldier> kde, xfce
[01:12] <thoreauputic> Outoff_: not out of the box, but installable, yes
[01:12] <Outoff_> okay
[01:12] <Outoff_> thx
[01:12] <Outoff_> my laptop is quite slow .. and gnome eats all the resources :D
[01:12] <waxhead> Outoff_, kde won't be much better I think
[01:12] <Sung> i got it out thanks
[01:12] <snowblink> Outoff_, fluxbox
[01:12] <closure> Outoff_, KDE
[01:12] <Sung> just learning.
[01:12] <waxhead> Sung, yeah?  what did yo do?
[01:13] <AndyFitz> anyone know where I can score a binary of libgc6.4 ?
[01:13] <snowblink> Outoff_, actually just use a tty and screen. ;)
[01:13] <Arnia> Outoff_: KDE probably won't be much better for that. But which feels faster is very sensitive to hardware
[01:13] <Sung> typed eject after your last syntax.
[01:13] <waxhead> snowblink, hahaha...
[01:13] <Outoff_> okay, ill try them ..
[01:13] <Sung> how do i force quit a app on the spot ?
[01:13] <Outoff_> thx again :)
[01:13] <waxhead> snowblink, mind you, that's how I work on some dev stuff on my server.. ssh, screen  and vim... :)
[01:13] <thoreauputic> snowblink: I prefer to use an abacus ;-)
[01:14] <waxhead> Sung, wiht out killing xine?
[01:14] <snowblink> Sung, xkill perhaps
[01:14] <waxhead> Sung, kill command
[01:14] <thoreauputic> Sung: or pkill
[01:14] <waxhead> Sung, but you need the pid first, so find that using ps aux | grep <app>
[01:15] <thoreauputic> waxhead: pkill short circuits that requirement
[01:15] <waxhead> thoreauputic, yeah?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> yeah
[01:15] <thoreauputic> man pkill ;-)
[01:15] <waxhead> thoreauputic, only do it from the terminal typically
[01:16] <gordonjcp> waxhead: ssh, screen and vim are the *only* way to work
[01:16] <gordonjcp> and irssi
[01:16] <Jas0n> i download this last night and i burnt it to a cd and it keeps saying cant get base password, problem with the cd?
[01:16] <Jas0n> and it says burn it at a lower speed
[01:16] <Jas0n> which i did at 8x
[01:16] <Jas0n> :S
[01:16] <waxhead> thoreauputic, right.. prolly just wrappers around grep and kill anyway
[01:16] <thoreauputic> gordonjcp: when I were lad, used to use punchcards !
[01:17] <thoreauputic> waxhead: yep - pkill an dpgrep are the same man pge, for instance
[01:17] <thoreauputic> *pgrep
[01:17] <gordonjcp> thoreauputic: punchcards?  Luxury!  We didn't have any punchcards, we only had the holes
[01:17] <gordonjcp> and we had to sellotape them together ourselves
[01:18] <thoreauputic> gordonjcp: we used to *dream* of having holes! Used to bootstrap PDP11 wit' switches!
[01:19] <waxhead> thoreauputic, ok.. what's the right package to install for the kernel source?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> but you tell the young people that today, and they won't belive you...no, they won't...
[01:19] <keffo> thoreauputic, do you know any about wine etc?
[01:20] <waxhead> thoreauputic, hmm been a while.. if I'm compiling modules, I really only need the kernel headers don't it?
[01:20] <AndyFitz> it was mentioned on the list a while a go that libgc 6.4 could be found at packages.debian ... I locate it
[01:20] <AndyFitz> I can't locate it sorry
[01:20] <snowblink> waxhead, yes
[01:20] <thoreauputic> waxhead: kernel-source or linux-source ( can't recall which)
[01:20] <snowblink> thoreauputic, linux-source
[01:21] <snowblink> thoreauputic, kernel-source is Debian
[01:21] <thoreauputic> waxhead: for headers, linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:21] <Outoff_> wooow
[01:21] <thoreauputic> snowblink: yes, but there are kernel source packages - it's a bit confusing really
[01:22] <Outoff_> The default Gnome looks sweet!! :D
[01:22] <snowblink> thoreauputic, yeah, I think Ubuntu should remove the kernel* ones but I'm sure they have good reason for keeping them in
[01:22] <AndyFitz> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libgc1  found it
[01:22] <closure> Outoff_, what do you mean?
[01:22] <Outoff_> I just installed Ubuntu
[01:23] <Outoff_> and the default theme-thingy is sweet
[01:23] <Arnia> That's just a colour variation on industrial with square borders
[01:23] <carambol> and you try clearlooks already?
[01:24] <Arnia> I use clearlooks olive
[01:24] <carambol> me skyblue
[01:24] <Arnia> I had to modify it though cos the title bars didn't work well with my font :)
[01:25] <carambol> with a blue background with in white letters gnome
[01:25] <madrid> clearlooks is the best theme
[01:25] <carambol> http://art.gnome.org
[01:25] <Arnia> I vary in taste between Industrial and Clearlooks...  currently in a Clearlooks phase :)
[01:25] <Outoff_> hmm, how come that I did not have to write a root-password?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> nah, twm green theme is where it's at...
[01:25] <Outoff_> have = had
[01:26] <Arnia> Outoff_: have was correct :)
[01:26] <Outoff_> ah
[01:26] <Arnia> Outoff_: Root is disabled by default
[01:26] <Outoff_> okay :D
[01:26] <Outoff_> ohhh ..
[01:26] <Arnia> Outoff_: Everything is done via sudo for security reasons
[01:26] <martinald> is theere any good mysql gui admin clients apart from mysqlcc?
[01:26] <Outoff_> sudo? (im very new to ubuntu)
[01:27] <madrid> how do you do with Webmin without a root password? :)
[01:27] <Arnia> Outoff_: sudo is how you run a command with root privillages
[01:27] <carambol> http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Outoff_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view?searchterm=root%20sudo
[01:27] <cef> ok, where do I find winbind (samba) stuff for ubuntu? cos it doesn't appear to be in any of the samba packages
[01:27] <Outoff_> thx :)
[01:27] <mackid> so hoary is in RC
[01:27] <Arnia> Outoff_: sudo <somecmdhere>
[01:27] <mackid> but is it final?
[01:28] <cef> ahh found it it seems.. winbind is in universe *sigh*
[01:28] <Arnia> mackid: RC is not final... but I've been running Hoary for ages
[01:28] <thoreauputic> madrid: webmin is an issue, yes
[01:28] <Outoff_> thx alot!!
[01:28] <Arnia> mackid: Upgrading is ridiculously simple with Ubuntu
[01:28] <mackid> Arnia: as have I, just wondered if I should be seeing something when i dist-upgrade..
[01:28] <waxhead> ok.. in /usr/src, do I need to create a link
[01:28] <waxhead> been a while since I've done this...
[01:29] <Arnia> mackid: If you've been tracking for a while, probably not
[01:29] <madrid> thoreauputic, for webmin is needed to set a password for root? What happen if someone set a password for the root account in Ubuntu?
[01:29] <mackid> Arnia, I have.  okay.  thanks.
[01:29] <mackid> i'm off.
[01:29] <waxhead> I seem to recall linux pointed to the directory that had the linux source
[01:29] <thoreauputic> madrid: nothing drastic - you *can* do sudo passwd root
[01:29] <thoreauputic> madrid: it just isn't recommended
[01:30] <madrid> thoreauputic, Ah.. ok. Thank you!
[01:30] <totalshredder> hey everybody
[01:31] <totalshredder> I'm about to install windows here
[01:31] <madrid> Anyone has a running configuration of a Jabber server to past into the SettingUpJabberServer wiki?
[01:31] <totalshredder> I need to know how I can do so without messing up grob
[01:31] <thoreauputic> totalshredder: really? have fun...
[01:31] <totalshredder> GRUB*
[01:31] <totalshredder> lol, kids have online classes :P
[01:32] <Arnia> What classes require windows?
[01:32] <totalshredder> you need net meeting
[01:32] <John__> art maybe?
[01:32] <John__> oh
[01:32] <John__> ... what?
[01:32] <totalshredder> Latin class, for smart people ;)
[01:32] <Arnia> GnomeMeeting talks the same protocols
[01:32] <John__> net meeting to do online classes?
[01:32] <totalshredder> yes
[01:32] <totalshredder> don't ask me
[01:32] <Arnia> totalshredder: Tried GnomeMeeting?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> totalshredder: have you checked gnome-meeting? Don't know if it does net meeting...
[01:32] <John__> web based online classes work just as well as some shitty net meeting classes :p
[01:33] <madrid> totalshredder, Latin? :) Who learn latin today?
[01:33] <totalshredder> a brother of mine :)
[01:33] <Arnia> thoreauputic: It does... at least I've talked to people using it
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Arnia: OK :)
[01:33] <Arnia> thoreauputic: And it apparently does all the NAT stuff itself now
[01:33] <totalshredder> Gnome meeting isn't capable of entering different class rooms
[01:33] <madrid> totalshredder, are you italian? :)
[01:33] <Arnia> totalshredder: Eh?
[01:33] <totalshredder> they have about five of them on the server
[01:33] <ante> how to remove theme from them manager?
[01:34] <totalshredder> heck yeah I'm italian. Only 25% though ;)
[01:34] <Arnia> totalshredder: What do you mean 'different classrooms'
[01:34] <ante> *theme manager
[01:34] <Arnia> ante: How did you put it there?
[01:34] <ante> install theme
[01:34] <totalshredder> when you sign on in net meeting; you pick between about five different "servers"
[01:34] <totalshredder> I was not able to do the same in gnome meeting
[01:34] <Arnia> Click on the desktop, Ctrl+L, type '~/.themes'
[01:34] <madrid> totalshredder, (si potrebbe quasi parlare in italiano...) nice :)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> ante: look in ~/.themes
[01:34] <Arnia> You can delete the theme folder from there
[01:35] <totalshredder> I can't speak italian!
[01:35] <ante> thx, guys...
[01:35] <thoreauputic> ante: you can delete them from there
[01:35] <totalshredder> I'm just a regular stupid american!
[01:35] <madrid> totalshredder, "regular" :)
[01:35] <totalshredder> heck yeah ;)
[01:35] <Arnia> Oooh... inkscape now optionally uses Gnome VFS
[01:35] <Arnia> Yay
[01:36] <ante> how can i chnage gnome menu icon?
[01:36] <madrid> any news on the Hoary release?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> totalshredder: "regular" has a different meaning outside america :)
[01:36] <totalshredder> seriously!
[01:36] <totalshredder> Guys, if I install windows (on a separate hard drive) will I be able to use GRUB still?
[01:37] <Arnia> Lots of words mean different things in British English certainly (not that there is any real thing as 'british english' given how many dialects we have here)
[01:37] <totalshredder> or will I have to reinstall ubuntu
[01:37] <madrid> totalshredder, yes you do
[01:37] <thoreauputic> totalshredder: windows likes to be on the first drive
[01:37] <ante> anyone here experiencing problems with sound on hoary?
[01:37] <totalshredder> it will be on the first hard drive
[01:37] <ante> like, no sound, but everything seems to work
[01:37] <Arnia> totalshredder: If you make a boot disk or have a live CD you can get grub back
[01:37] <totalshredder> That sounds easy enough!
[01:37] <totalshredder> Can I configure GRUB from there?
[01:37] <madrid> totalshredder, not only the first hard drive.. but the first partition too. But you can have more that once HD
[01:38] <totalshredder> I have an full first hard drive :)
[01:38] <Arnia> ante: There have been reports... what card do you have out of interest?
[01:38] <no0tic> where can I find previous packages versions
[01:38] <ante> Arnia, i've found a solution... so i wanted to help the community... :)
[01:38] <totalshredder> I'm going to go ahead and install it; I need to get them on that class.
[01:38] <QKa> Or boot from CD type expert at boot prompt, load the basic system and choose the grub install from the menu
[01:39] <totalshredder> okay, got it
[01:39] <ante> Arnia, nforce built in, but there have been problems with other built in cards as well
[01:39] <totalshredder> I'll be whining back here if I don't understand ;)
[01:39] <Wyld> Hey all .. quick question .. just did an install on a system, and the initial apt-get to grab the updates fail.  I'm now sitting in a nice little shell, with core system only.  I did alter sources to shift it to hoary, and did a "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" ... but I was sure there was a script I could call to reinitialise the install process so i can get xorg, gnome, etc ..
[01:39] <totalshredder> thanks a lot guys!
[01:39] <Wyld> whats the name of that script?
[01:39] <totalshredder> sudo apt-get gnome desktop
[01:39] <totalshredder> I think
[01:39] <no0tic> where can I find previous packages versions?
[01:39] <totalshredder> gnome-desktop*
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Wyld: no, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Wyld> isn't there an ubuntu-core or something
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Wyld: or run base-config
[01:41] <Wyld> THATS it .. base-config :)
[01:41] <Wyld> thanks muchly
[01:41] <thoreauputic> np
[01:43] <kalis> is there anyone in here using Rox filer as native file manager instead of nautilus?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> kalis: I'm using it, but it isn't set as default
[01:44] <thoreauputic> I use both, but mostly rox
[01:44] <kalis> i used rox with fvwm2 before, but it would be nice if i could make it default in gnome too.
[01:45] <kalis> so if i click a folder in the places menu it opens in rox for instance
[01:46] <thoreauputic> kalis: might be possible to set it in gconf-editor - I haven't tried
[01:47] <kalis> a search for nautilus or manager gives me nothing useful in gconf-editor :(
[01:49] <Arnia> kalis: Try changing /desktop/gnome/applications/component_viewer/exec
[01:49] <bitsmash> hi
[01:50] <bitsmash> im having trouble unzipping archives
[01:50] <thoreauputic> bitsmash: what sort of archives, what sort of trouble ?
[01:51] <bitsmash> zips rars failed io errors
[01:51] <bitsmash> and why was unrar version 0.0.1
[01:51] <kalis> Arnia, nope! no luck, nautilus still opens when i choose something in the places menu :(
[01:51] <thoreauputic> try unrar non-free in multiverse
[01:51] <Arnia> Hum
[01:52] <bitsmash> thoreauputic: um... why should it matter
[01:52] <Arnia> kalis: ask on #gnome on irc.gimp.net
[01:52] <Arnia> s/.net/.org
[01:52] <Arnia> My brain is splurged :)
[01:52] <theine> Is it possible to install a proprietary plugin for the Helix player so that it is able to play Real media files?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> unrar-nonfree actually - and I don't know why - just passing on what some people have trid with success
[01:52] <thoreauputic> *tried
[01:53] <thoreauputic> bitsmash: the nonfree version apparently handles some things better
[01:53] <thoreauputic> I never use it so this is purely anectdotal
[01:53] <bitsmash> oh
[01:55] <bitsmash> is there a tool that makes twinview work without messing with the xorg file?
[01:56] <whiskey_2> hmm...nothing much to do today
[01:56] <thoreauputic> gnome dictionary / dict.org seems not to be responnding here - can anyone confirm ?
[01:57] <cikilin> sal
[01:57] <cikilin> hi
[01:57] <cikilin> hello
[01:57] <whiskey_2> people sure take sides on the debate between the consumer who wants to save money and the producer who wants to make money
[01:57] <cikilin> i delete by mistake the panel
[01:57] <cikilin> i dont know how to get it back
[01:57] <ante> how to make a theme for gnome?
[01:57] <cikilin> anybody?
[01:58] <Arnia> ante: art.gnome.org has some tutorials
[01:58] <cikilin> hellllllllloooooooooooooo
[01:58] <ante> Arnia, thx again
[01:59] <thoreauputic> cikilin: try running gnome-panel  - else delete your .gnome and .gnome2 entries in $HOME and restart gnome to get default settings
[02:00] <Arnia> ante: No problem
[02:00] <cikilin> hey how can i restore a panel?
[02:00] <bitsmash> make money?
[02:01] <bitsmash> whats the point of that?
[02:01] <cikilin> hey how can i restore a panel?
[02:01] <cikilin> hey how can i restore a panel?
[02:01] <cikilin> hey how can i restore a panel?
[02:01] <daniels> cikilin: once is enough.
[02:01] <kent> does composite in X (the one that creates shadonws on windows etc) use GL? I remember that once i tried it and it was *slow*, but is it slow becaus of lack of GL or something else? (becaus now i have working GL, ;)
[02:01] <fridge> maybe he has 4 panels he needs to restore
[02:02] <daniels> in which case, the single question is 'hey how can i restore four panels?'
[02:02] <GNAM> who cares of Suse 9.3?
[02:02] <GNAM> auaua
[02:02] <daniels> GNAM: this is #ubuntu
[02:02] <GNAM> exactly
[02:02] <kent> cikilin, if you have *no* panel, rightclick on desktop and choose start terminal. From there, start "gnome-panel" without the " " signs..
[02:02] <xf_> daniels: everybody knows ubuntu is a rebadged suse, damn
[02:03] <fridge> daniels, hi!
[02:03] <Arnia> kent: It doesn't use GL... composite is just a protocol
[02:03] <closure> xf_, really?
[02:03] <kent> Arnia, so me having working GL will not speed it up :( ?
[02:03] <Arnia> kent: Some implementations may, xcompmgr doesn't but then xcompmgr is a proof of concept hack
[02:03] <madrid> kent.. actually it run quite good: try xcompmgr -cfF with the actuall X.org server
[02:03] <Arnia> kent: Having working hardware accel WILL, but not cos of GL :)
[02:04] <whiskey_2> xf_ i am not sure ubuntu has caught up with SUSE because the last i heard SUSE knows how to use subfs and ubuntu does not
[02:04] <kent> Arnia, madrid,  and there is no problem with nvidia tnt2 and composite? I have some vauge memory of problems with the nvidia driver and composites, but thats probably fixed right?
[02:05] <madrid> kent, I have a nvidia geforce fx5200 with 128Mb.. all is good :)
[02:05] <xf_> whiskey_2: actually, i was kidding, but oh well :)
[02:05] <kent> madrid, ok. I will try it now then. I have enabled it in xorg.conf so it should work on restart.. with xcompmgr.. i think.
[02:05] <roo_> whiskey_2, Ubuntu uses automount. what are you having problems mounting?
[02:06] <madrid> kent, you could try: add your additional modules in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf as described in ubuntu wiki pages...
[02:06] <xf_> daniels, jdub, any other aussies in here: is there any proposed structure (i.e. timetable) for ubuntu down under?  wondering what days i should come; can't make it the whole 5 days but perhaps can for 2
[02:06] <cikilin> i tried with gnome-panel and nothing
[02:06] <madrid> kent.. press ctrl+alt+canc.. then open a terminal and do "xcompmgr -cfF"
[02:06] <whiskey_2> roo_, well i have really never had a problem mounting anything in all the years because if you follow the correct procedure it is not a problem....but subfs is a technology that allows easier manipulation  of cdrom devices
[02:07] <madrid> kent.. probably you will need a "killall gnome-panel" to realign panel
[02:07] <daniels> xf_: the executive summary is 'bofs, bofs, bofs'
[02:07] <cikilin> can anybody help me to retore the panel?
[02:08] <madrid> cikilin, "ps afx|grep gnome-panel" and "kill -9 <pid>"
[02:08] <cikilin> i have a panel but i want
[02:08] <thoreauputic> for anyone using dict or gnome dictionary; apparently some changes are being nade at dict.org and I find I cant connect using thes clients - changing the server to test.dict.org seems to work
[02:08] <kent> madrid, omg its slow.. :)  I have an Athon 2400+, tnt2, and 512mb ram. And I find it to slow to use. But i used xcompmgr -cfF. Maybe there is something to make it faster.. some switch
[02:09] <xf_> daniels: heh, fair enough.  any structure to the bofs, at all, or is it all lets-see-what-the-hell-surfaces?
[02:10] <sommers> heyas. i just installed ubuntu hoary from the CD. and am reading ubuntu guide. after installing, i just updated my sources.list from ubuntuguide website and did apt-get update. but i get an error with the nerim.net entry, what do i do to correct it so the error goes away?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> sommers: an error or an authentication warning?
[02:11] <Arnia> sommers: Don't worry about auth warnings
[02:11] <sommers> thoreauputic, the authentication warning.
[02:11] <sommers> Arnia, ok
[02:11] <Arnia> Well, worry about them if you don't know who they are ;)
[02:11] <thoreauputic> sommers: don't worry about it
[02:11] <sommers> but i'd rather not have it. I know that i need to import the keys probably, but i dunno howto :)
[02:11] <madrid> kent, ..are you using Hoary?
[02:12] <sommers> ubuntu has been nice. been 5 minutes :D
[02:12] <closure> sommers, it's pretty slick that's for sure
[02:13] <sommers> :))
[02:13] <sommers> now do i need to apt-get upgrade?
[02:13] <whiskey_2> i can't think of what to work on today
[02:13] <kent> madrid, yes.  But i tried with only the -c switch, and now its faster, but i find it a bit slow. But its sort of ok. But then, now I only get little shadows on the windows, but its nicer than nothing :)
[02:13] <no0tic> gdesklets & python-xdg are bugged
[02:13] <sommers> and how do i stop some packages from upgrading, like if it wants to update 1,2,3, but i wanmt to stop 1 and install 2 and 3, then how do i make it do that?
[02:14] <madrid> kent try with -s and you will find more fast too
[02:14] <lunitik> sommers: dpkg --set-selections pkgname hold
[02:15] <sommers> thoreauputic: how do i add the normal user i created to the sudoers list? cos when i say sudo apt-get update it asks for the password, and says sommers not on the list
[02:15] <daniels> xf_: there's going to be a schedule posted at some point
[02:15] <sommers> lunitik: ok.
[02:15] <lunitik> sommers: replace 'hold' with 'install' to turn that off when its no longer broken...
[02:15] <thoreauputic> sommers: is this the default/first user? should be in sudoers..
[02:16] <thoreauputic> sommers: else run visudo
[02:16] <sommers> thoreauputic: yeah, i created it during the install.
[02:16] <sommers> just one root and one sommers
[02:16] <thoreauputic> hmm - should be in sudoers then
[02:16] <thoreauputic> you made a root user?
[02:16] <Arnia> thoreauputic: You can do it from Gnome too
[02:17] <Arnia> sommers: System > Administration > Users and Groups
[02:17] <fridge> what is the default password entry for root in the shadow file "!!" ?
[02:17] <sommers> thoreauputic: i meant root was created by default, and the installer asked for the root password, then it asked me to create a non root users which id did, sommers
[02:17] <sommers> Arnia: ok
[02:17] <lunitik> fridge: umm... just a single '!'  ...
[02:17] <Arnia> Click the user, click the properties button and choose their privilages
[02:17] <sommers> lunitik: yeah, the dpkg --set-selections pkgname hold is right i think.
[02:17] <thoreauputic> sommers: um... the installer doesn't make a root user or ask for a root password
[02:18] <sommers> thoreauputic: It asks for a password for the "root" user or the administrator.
[02:18] <kent> thoreauputic, Do you have the script ready now for the root-questions? ;)
[02:18] <lunitik> thoreauputic: umm... its makes one... it just disables it...
[02:18] <thoreauputic> lunitik: OK whatever
[02:18] <lunitik> sommers: it really means your user
[02:19] <Arnia> It asks for the *root* user, or the *first* user?
[02:19] <sommers> :(
[02:19] <lunitik> sommers: if thats broken (its saying that its reporting the incident) you need to boot to rescue mode and add your user to /etc/sudoers
[02:19] <sommers> When you install, it first asks you to set the Administrator password, which is for the root user, then it asks you to create a non-root user.
[02:20] <Arnia> *blinks* it shouldn't do
[02:20] <sommers> yeah, i opened the sudo file with visudo and added sommers  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[02:20] <lunitik> Arnia: its kinda unclear imo... it says "Changing user.." in the title bar, and talks about needing administrator privs...
[02:20] <Arnia> What CD version are you installing from?
[02:20] <odyssey> hoary out on the 8th?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> sommers: that isn't right - it shouldn't ask that
[02:20] <lunitik> Arnia: I complained about that, but I think I was basically ignored by devs  :/
[02:21] <sommers> thoreauputic: well, it did. i installed twice. first time i made a big error, so i installed again.
[02:21] <carambol> odyssey,yep,the 8th
[02:21] <sommers> Arnia: the latest hoary Cd. i downloaded it yesterday.
[02:21] <Okys> evening peeps, wondering if hotplug errors during boot on a toshi 4600 laptop normal?
[02:21] <odyssey> yah for hoary
[02:21] <carambol> yep
[02:22] <lunitik> Okys: if they are related to chpshp and pcixhp (I think) then yes... else, no
[02:22] <Arnia> lunitik: Well I don't know when that change was made...
[02:22] <Okys> lunitik yes to the fore
[02:22] <Arnia> The message was perfectly clear before
[02:23] <lunitik> Arnia: it states 'Changing user' though... despite saying 'your password'... obviously it is still not clear enough...
[02:23] <Outoff_> aint MC (midnight commander) in the apt-get?
[02:23] <lunitik> Okys: perfectly normal... you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist if you want so you don't have to see the error though
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Arnia: I don't recall being asked for a root password at any stage in the installation
[02:24] <lunitik> Outoff_: it is in Universe
[02:24] <Arnia> thoreauputic: Neither do I... it never asked me any message like that. I was very very clear that it was my personal account
[02:24] <Okys> lunitik ok, would that stuff with my wireless then??
[02:24] <Outoff_> universe? :(
[02:24] <sommers> Arnia: when did you install?
[02:24] <lunitik> Outoff_: enable Universe and 'apt-get install mc' ...
[02:25] <Arnia> sommers: About two months ago...
[02:25] <sommers> Arnia: :(
[02:25] <lunitik> Okys: it has nothing to do with wireless...
[02:25] <Arnia> sommers: Dunno why the message has changed... maybe they've forgotten to edit the deb installer text in one area :)
[02:25] <sommers> Arnia: ok.
[02:26] <thoreauputic> sommers: it's very odd, since a constant stream of people pass through here saying "WTF! It didn't ask me for a root password!"
[02:26] <sommers> i guess so.
[02:26] <Outoff_> how do i enable Universe?
[02:26] <sommers> thoreauputic: hehe.
[02:26] <sommers> if i installed from the CD once again, i'd take a pic and show you, but i dont want to install all over again :D
[02:26] <sommers> i thought it was perfectly normal
[02:27] <lunitik> Outoff_: in synaptic... Settings > Repository  ...  ensure that the Universe entry is enabled
[02:27] <thoreauputic> sommers: as you would, with previous linux experience, yes...
[02:27] <Outoff_> thank you
[02:28] <whiskey_2> sure is nice to have some consistency between linux and win98
[02:28] <whiskey_2> now with gimpshop and oo2 it is easy to port documents, images between them
[02:28] <lunitik> whiskey_2: ?
[02:28] <sommers> thoreauputic: yup. i'd been using redhat 6.2 for sometime.
[02:28] <sommers> like 4 weeks.
[02:29] <whiskey_2> lunitik, well, i am just pleased to have consistency between the two computers
[02:29] <thoreauputic> 6.2?? You're an archaeology fan ?
[02:29] <lunitik> sommers: I don't think that qualifies as "sometime" ... not in that sense at least  :)
[02:29] <sommers> what is a good program for checking emails?
[02:29] <lunitik> whiskey_2: cool
[02:29] <sommers> thoreauputic: hehe. i borrowed it from my cousin.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> sommers: evolution is installed by default
[02:29] <lunitik> sommers: umm... most like Evolution  :/
[02:29] <Arnia> Evolution integrates well
[02:30] <sommers> ah, ok.
[02:30] <Arnia> Thunderbird is lighter
[02:30] <lunitik> sommers: second icon from System (or Computer... depending on version)
[02:30] <Arnia> Depends what you want :)
[02:30] <thoreauputic> Arnia: too well, IMO
[02:30] <sommers> i deleted that. yellow icon.
[02:30] <lunitik> Arnia: but then you have to remove ubuntu-desktop  :/
[02:30] <sommers> did'nt know what it was :D
[02:30] <Arnia> thoreauputic: Its doing information integration the wrong way
[02:30] <lunitik> Arnia: not a good idea... enless you like reinstalling  :/
[02:30] <thoreauputic> sommers: haha - do you always delete things you don't know about?
[02:30] <Arnia> thoreauputic: but I know working code wins, hence my development of frege
[02:31] <Arnia> Ooh... should start putting frege in my archive
[02:31] <sommers> thoreauputic: well, those 2 icons other than firefox were looking too bright :)
[02:31] <sommers> thoreauputic: that's about all i deleted so far.
[02:31] <no0tic> I would like to merge in an unique file some .rm files, how can I do?
[02:31] <sommers> How do i remove the old packages that were copied over from the CD during the install?
[02:31] <cef> note to self: if you rename the default user using the users & groups GUI tool, remember to update /etc/sudoers as well.. *sigh*
[02:32] <lunitik> sommers: apt-get autoclean
[02:32] <sommers> ok.
[02:32] <lunitik> (autoclean gets rid of old packages... clean gets rid of all...)
[02:32] <thoreauputic> sommers: I see - so if, say, there was a "too bright" icon for , oh,  the kernel, it would have to go... *grin*
[02:32] <Outoff_> I cant find the place inside Synaptic, settings -> Repository where I can enable Universe :(
[02:32] <sommers> thoreauputic: yes. everything bright must go!
[02:32] <lunitik> sommers: yeah... umm... could try just changing the icon instead?
[02:33] <sommers> well, dunno how to do that yet.
[02:33] <lunitik> sommers: you have no idea what a kernel is huh?
[02:33] <sommers> well, the kernel would'nt have an icon.
[02:33] <thoreauputic> sommers: right. Well, you sound like a candidate for GNU screen and the tty without X approach :D
[02:33] <Arnia> lunitik: I think he was being facetious
[02:33] <Arnia> Or were you... gah
[02:34] <sommers> hehe
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Arnia: I think you're right ;)
[02:34] <lunitik> sommers: sure it would... a peice of paper with a green foot on it here  :/
[02:34] <kent> cef, or you could remember to add the user to the sudo-list in THAT application (user admin). Editing /etc/sudoers is not needed.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> sommers: just install slackware 4 or so - you should be right at home ;-)
[02:34] <cef> kent: hrm.. didn't see it there
[02:35] <lunitik> thoreauputic: you should be shot  *nods*  :P
[02:35] <Arnia> thoreauputic: My first linux install was Slack 3.5 :)
[02:35] <Arnia> On an UMSDOS pseudopartition
[02:35] <gordonjcp> Mine was Lasermoon
[02:35] <gordonjcp> again on UMSDOS
[02:35] <Outoff_> lunitik, sorry to highlight you, but i cant find the place to enable universe
[02:35] <sommers> thoreauputic: nope. i like this :D
[02:35] <Arnia> On FAT16 on an 800Mb harddisk filled with crap :)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> sommers: so do I :)
[02:36] <sommers> how do you listen to mp3s?
[02:36] <sommers> totem?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> sommers: ears are recommended
[02:36] <whiskey_2> sommers, legally you cannot unless you pay royalties for the codec
[02:36] <lunitik> Outoff_: bah... in the second entry... click edit... (make sure it has a URL, not somethign about a CD) .. add 'multiverse' to the line that states "main restricted" ...
[02:36] <sommers> too bad then.
[02:37] <cef> kent: will file a bug after hoary is released (too late now methinks).. just think it should at least warn you that you're changing the name of a user that appears in sudoers
[02:37] <thoreauputic> sommers: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:37] <lunitik> Outoff_: not the prefered way... but yeah... it'll work
[02:37] <whiskey_2> sommers, there are some unrestricted formats like ogg that you can legally listen to
[02:37] <Outoff_> okay, thx alot
[02:37] <Outoff_> :))
[02:37] <sommers> how about streams?
[02:37] <whiskey_2> sommers, well i have not heard a court case deciding that issue
[02:37] <lunitik> sommers: via 'Music Player' in Sound and Video after doing what thoreauputic just said  ;)
[02:37] <thoreauputic> sommers: if you install that you can use the music player to listen to them ( rhythmbox)
[02:38] <lunitik> whiskey_2: its only illegal if you end up in jail for it.
[02:38] <xuesheng> what is the right way to install nvidia drivers with ubuntu?
[02:38] <sommers> thanks.
[02:38] <whiskey_2> lunitik, well..not really because everyone has a conscience
[02:38] <lunitik> xuesheng: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:39] <whiskey_2> lunitik, although the fear of jail does influence some
[02:39] <lunitik> whiskey_2: I have a conscience... I also like that conscience to not effect my in a negative way...
[02:39] <Arnia> Laws are normally pragmatically here
[02:39] <kent> cef, I just saw that I might be mistaken.   But, the user admin program is a bit badly designed. Its hard to know what actually gets done where.. :( I mean, I cant see if there is a way to ad a user to the sudo list in that program.. :(
[02:39] <balor> There is nothing illegal about mp3, they're just patent encumbered
[02:39] <Arnia> pragmatically applied
[02:39] <Arnia> kent: run system administrator programmes seems a safe bet
[02:40] <lunitik> whiskey_2: I love music... and require pr0n... if I don't have the codecs... I'd go insane, and start raping females... I think my choice is relative good...
[02:40] <whiskey_2> lunitik, well i let people make their own decisions...but i try to stay aware of the environment
[02:40] <Outoff_> "main restricted multiverse" in that line?
[02:40] <Outoff_> og with a ; between?
[02:40] <Outoff_> or*
[02:40] <lunitik> whiskey_2: plus I need Java too... but other than that... everything here is free... oh and Flash... bah
[02:40] <lunitik> Outoff_: umm... yeah
[02:40] <whiskey_2> lunitik, well there is gnuflash that worked on gentoo
[02:40] <lunitik> Outoff_: but with nothing between them
[02:40] <sommers> mozilla-thunderbird is nicer.. smaller too.
[02:40] <Outoff_> okay, thx :)
[02:41] <lunitik> whiskey_2: there is flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse  :/
[02:41] <airco> what chan are linux newbies supposed to go to for a question?
[02:41] <lunitik> airco: here...
[02:41] <whiskey_2> lunitik, yes some things are restricted to only paying customers so you have to respect the producer's decision
[02:41] <airco> k, i'm trying to mount my windows hd under ubunto
[02:41] <lunitik> airco: that is, if you are using Ubuntu   :P
[02:41] <airco> *ubuntu
[02:41] <whiskey_2> lunitik, or you should
[02:42] <airco> but i'm getting a "device already mounted or directory busy" error
[02:42] <airco> while neither is the case
[02:42] <lunitik> whiskey_2: I use Linux because I didn't want to steal software anymore... but some things I just refuse to go without...
[02:42] <airco> anyone have any bright ideas? :)
[02:42] <whiskey_2> lunitik, it is simply a fundamental disagreement between the consumer who wants to save money and the producer who wants to make money
[02:42] <sommers> airco: you typed mount and it does'nt list the partition as mounted?
[02:43] <lunitik> airco: busy applies if you are in the dir also...
[02:43] <airco> the error is: mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /var/windows busy
[02:43] <airco> and i'm not in the dir atm
[02:43] <airco> nor is any other shell, as far as i can see
[02:43] <airco> sommers: no
[02:43] <sommers> hm. my /dev/hda1 is mounted fine in /windows
[02:43] <airco> sommers: as in, yes i typed it, no it doesn't show up
[02:44] <njees> can somebody help me with some network configuration?
[02:44] <sommers> airco: i have this line in /etc/fstab /dev/hda1       /windows        vfat    defaults        0       0
[02:45] <sommers> airco: but you need to create a /windows under root, and then type sudo mount -a
[02:45] <lunitik> sommers: that ought to be /mnt/windows (or simular) ... but I'll let it slide  :P
[02:45] <queuetue> How do I set up firefox so I can just click on a wav and it will play ?
[02:45] <sommers> yeah. that makes better sense...
[02:45] <thoreauputic> sommers: you've made a custom mount point there
[02:45] <queuetue> What software and configs do I need to mae that work?
[02:46] <kent> Arnia, where do you see that? I cant see any "run administrator programes" in user admin :(
[02:46] <sommers> thoreauputic: i did'nt. the installer did it.
[02:46] <airco> lunitik: airco@Airco:/ $ sudo mkdir /windows; sudo mount -a /dev/hda1 /windows
[02:46] <airco> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /windows busy
[02:46] <lunitik> sommers: one day... look up FHS  :)   (filesystem hiarchy standard)
[02:46] <Arnia> kent: Click the user, click properties, user privilages
[02:46] <thoreauputic> sommers: er...mm... your installer is *very* odd
[02:46] <lunitik> airco: mount -l
[02:46] <sommers> thoreauputic: when you are partitioning, you can select the FAT32 partition
[02:46] <airco> sommers: yeah, it's in my fstab as well (friend of mine put it there) and it used to work
[02:46] <sommers> thoreauputic: no. it is not.
[02:47] <sommers> thoreauputic: maybe you did not choose the "expert" install.
[02:47] <Arnia> sommers: Oooh! Did you drop into the advanced installer?
[02:47] <sommers> Arnia: yes
[02:47] <airco> lunitik: mount -l still gives the same result
[02:47] <Arnia> sommers: That explains it... I should file a bug about that for Breezy
[02:47] <lunitik> airco: sudo mount -l   (type your password when prompted)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> sommers: correct - I only  did the manual partitioning part
[02:47] <airco> lunitik: i was already sudoing
[02:47] <sommers> Arnia: oh. i did'nt know auto install and expert install were that different :(
[02:47] <Outoff_> lunitik, The setting is now non-free (multiverse) - but I still cant find MC ..
[02:48] <Outoff_> maybe mc is not included?
[02:48] <Arnia> sommers: expert install is very close to the original debian installer I believe
[02:48] <martinald> hi. i'm having problems playing back xvid/divx. when i open a xvid file it's all jerky
[02:48] <Arnia> sommers: It really is an expert install
[02:48] <lunitik> Outoff_: update the repo... (actually, it should have done this...)  ... I see it in hoary  :/
[02:48] <martinald> and the sound is out of sync by 1-3 seconds
[02:48] <apokryphos> martinald: did you get all the necessary codecs?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> sommers: that might explain the root thing too
[02:48] <martinald> i apt-get'd ffmpeg-gstreamer
[02:48] <martinald> or gstreamer-ffmpeg
[02:48] <martinald> yes it plays back, just out of sync and jerky
[02:48] <thoreauputic> sommers: I used defaults except for the partitioning
[02:48] <sommers> thoreauputic: i guess. maybe an expert is expected to know what the sudo error means and add themselves to the file :D
[02:49] <kent> Arnia, yes, I have looked there. I have a newly updated Hoary and i dont have that option there. I have 12 options there, most of them allows access to stuff, but none of them says anything about access to admin programs. Im using a swedish language, but for sure I would know if one of them would allow access to admin programs. They are all about access to setup printers, use soundcards etc.
[02:49] <apokryphos> martinald: does that occur in all players? What one are you using?
[02:49] <thoreauputic> sommers: yes, that sounds right
[02:49] <lunitik> martinald: bah... ffmpeg isn't up to much yet... try using w32codecs (find it on apt-get.org) ... far better performance...
[02:49] <Outoff_> lunitik: It also updated the synaptic - so i can install (non-free) apts
[02:49] <martinald> ok
[02:49] <queuetue> How do I set up firefox so I can just click on a wav and it will play ?  What software/config do i need?
[02:49] <lunitik> (on account of its the real codecs... not a hack)
[02:49] <martinald> should i uninstall ffmpeg?
[02:49] <martinald> ok
[02:49] <apokryphos> martinald: nope, no need.
[02:49] <lunitik> Outoff_: 'sudo apt-get install mc' (after closing synaptic)
[02:50] <kent> Arnia, http://leviatan.kicks-ass.org/user-admin.png
[02:50] <Arnia> kent: Mine has lost the option too now :/
[02:50] <Arnia> Oh well
[02:50] <martinald> ok i have another question
[02:50] <martinald> is there any good gnome mysql admin tools?
[02:50] <Outoff_> lunitik, 'E: couldn't find package mc'
[02:50] <sommers> there is phpmyadmin. webbased
[02:50] <martinald> that are made with gtk2, so it fits in with the rest of the eniroment
[02:51] <martinald> yea i have that and im using that now, its just so slow
[02:51] <sommers> gtk2 wont make it faster i think :/
[02:51] <lunitik> Outoff_: warty?
[02:51] <lunitik> Outoff_: maybe its not in warty  :/
[02:51] <martinald> er yea but not having to go through PHP, HTML and gecko is gonna make it a lot lot faster
[02:51] <Outoff_> warty? - im using 5.04-rc hoary
[02:51] <martinald> i mean i've used some gtk1 ones and it's really nice and usable, but it looks so damn fugly :)
[02:52] <sommers> martinald: oh. i use the phpmyadmin though. but its a friend comp and it is fast.
[02:52] <lunitik> kent: virtual desktops are something you should become familier with...
[02:52] <martinald> im working on very very large datasets thoguh ;)
[02:52] <lunitik> kent: you can have up to 36 of them... helps to organize your desktop.
[02:53] <Arnia> sommers: gtk2 is a lot faster now
[02:53] <Outoff_> lunitik, warty? - im using 5.04-rc hoary
[02:53] <kent> lunitik, virtual desktops? Why? I dont like them. I never use that much programs (web, mail, irc, etc). And alt+tab works great :)
[02:53] <Arnia> sommers: Should be even faster once its hardware accelerated
[02:53] <lunitik> Outoff_: I don't know then... I'm using hoary and see it  :/
[02:53] <sommers> Arnia: no idea. i dont even know how slow it was earlier :D
[02:53] <Outoff_> :(
[02:53] <sommers> ive found php myadmin fast though.
[02:53] <Outoff_> that aint nice
[02:54] <sommers> Where can i download other desktop themes from? or atleast preview some before i download?
[02:54] <Arnia> sommers: gnome-look.org, art.gnome.org
[02:55] <airco> sommers: concerning those lines in /etc/fstab
[02:55] <airco> i currently have the following two lines there:
[02:55] <sommers> airco: yeah?
[02:55] <airco> /dev/hda1       /var/windows    ntfs    defaults,uid=1000       0       0
[02:55] <airco> /dev/hda2       /var/archive    ntfs    defaults,umask=0222     0       0
[02:55] <airco> (among others of course)
[02:55] <airco> which are my 2 windows partitions
[02:55] <sommers> ok
[02:55] <airco> could the uid or umask be set wrong?
[02:55] <lunitik> Outoff_: 'gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'  ... ensure this line states 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted multiverse' someplace ... 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mc'
[02:56] <Outoff_> okay, ill try that
[02:57] <martinald> 3% [1 w32codecs 398080/13.2MB 3%]                                18.8kB/s 11m21s <-- this is why apt-get sucks :(
[02:57] <queuetue> how do I install the flash plugin - macromedia's flash plugin (not the GPL one)
[02:57] <daniels> martinald: because your connection can only put through 18.8kB/sec?
[02:57] <lunitik> Although, perhaps they wouldn't learn so much... but yeah
[02:58] <martinald> no, because it's too centrialised. my connection can do 240K/sec
[02:58] <sommers> airco: try /dev/hda1       /var/windows    ntfs ro,users,uid=500 0 0
[02:58] <lunitik> daniels: nerim is relatively slow anyways... I get about 200, whereas I average about 520 from ubuntu archives...
[02:59] <daniels> lunitik: um, you can pipe stuff to sudo
[02:59] <lunitik> disclaimer: all numbers stated are kb/s
[02:59] <daniels> echo xserver-xorg hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections, for example
[02:59] <sommers> airco: try /dev/hda1       /var/windows    ntfs ro,users,uid=1000 0 0
[02:59] <sommers> airco: try those lines.
[03:00] <lunitik> daniels: ahh... I think actually I was trying 'sudo `cat foo | sudo /bar`'
[03:00] <airco> k
[03:00] <daniels> lunitik: what were you hoping to achieve?
[03:00] <airco> reboot or just try to mount it?
[03:00] <sommers> airco: but as lunatik said, it is better to have /mnt/windows and /mnt/archive instaed of in var.
[03:00] <lunitik> daniels: I should try things before stating...  :)
[03:00] <gds> hi friends
[03:00] <daniels> heh
[03:00] <gds> How are you?
[03:01] <gds> I'm a new Ubuntu's user
[03:01] <gds> :-)
[03:01] <lunitik> daniels: same as what I stated above... I could then tell people 'echo somerepo | sudo sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install foo'
[03:01] <thoreauputic> sommers: you've done a bit more than 4 weeks with Redhat 6.2, I suspect :)
[03:02] <daniels> lunitik: like >, but with sudo?
[03:02] <lunitik> daniels: cuz trying to help people that don't appear to get it is frustrating  :(
[03:02] <airco> gds: hello
[03:02] <sommers> sommers: nope. 4 weeks. but in text mode. my graphics card was'nt supported?
[03:02] <airco> sommers: mount /dev/hda1
[03:02] <airco> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[03:02] <sommers> grr
[03:02] <daniels> lunitik: echo foo | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list, is the equivalent of >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <sommers> thoreauputic: : nope. 4 weeks. but in text mode. my graphics card was'nt supported?
[03:02] <airco> is there any way to see which process is keeping /dev/hda1 busy?
[03:02] <daniels> sudo sh -c 'echo foo >> /etc/apt/sources.list' also works
[03:02] <lunitik> daniels: damnit... I'm tired... heh... yeah
[03:02] <airco> or should i just suppose the error does not really reflect the problem?
[03:02] <lunitik> daniels: ahh... thanks  :)
[03:02] <thoreauputic> sommers: it's OK, I talk to myself all the time ;) I know a good shrink- interested ? *g*
[03:03] <sommers> thoreauputic: hehe. that's what you used to do beside walden pond?
[03:03] <gds> hi airco
[03:03] <sommers> thoreauputic: and yeah, tell me how to remove a package and not remove the others that depend on it :/
[03:03] <thoreauputic> sommers: indeed, when I wasn't plotting Civil Disobedience :)
[03:04] <sommers> hehe
[03:04] <gds> How can I pass to Ubuntu from debian sid?
[03:04] <theine> Hi, since 2 days ago the xserver crashes when I log out of a remote ssh session with X11 tunneling enabled? Anybody else seen this problem?
[03:04] <Outoff_> lunitik, it work now, thx alot! :)
[03:04] <theine> I'm using Hoary and updated said two days ago
[03:04] <gds> It's possible?
[03:04] <lunitik> Outoff_: you're welcome  :)
[03:04] <gds> and convenient?
[03:04] <alex> Hello, I try to install gparted and it tells me that it cannot be install because I have some unmet dependencies.
[03:04] <lunitik> Outoff_: and in the process... I learned something too  :)
[03:04] <Outoff_> lunitik, hehe me2 (alot .. :P)
[03:05] <ante> how to change login splash screen?
[03:05] <ska-fan> I'm getting file does not exist http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/./postgresql-common_5_all.deb with the line deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti psql/ in sources.list. What am I doing wrong?
[03:05] <gds> alex, use Partition Magic :-)
[03:05] <ska-fan> the file is at http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/psql/postgresql-common_5_all.deb
[03:05] <alex> gds, :-/
[03:05] <sommers> ante: i am doing it right now :D
[03:05] <ante> sommers, :)
[03:06] <gds> There're the unmet dependencies in Ubuntu?
[03:06] <sommers> ante: there's lots of things at gnome-look.org
[03:06] <ante> sommers, i love this channel...
[03:06] <lunitik> daniels: ohh... you said SiS driver had DRI support correct? I currently have a SiS Real256e (64mb shared mem) ... but it doesn't appear to be doing direct rendering ... card just too crap for composite?  :P
[03:06] <ante> sommers, but how to change it?
[03:06] <alex> gds, yes, I've upgraded to hoary and since then I have some problems with the packages
[03:07] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  is there any ubuntu-calendar planed for this month?
[03:07] <lunitik> alex: what packages in peticular?
[03:07] <daniels> lunitik: it's going to be slow as hell if dri works anyway
[03:07] <lunitik> alex: debfoster comes in handy to clean up after yourself I find  :)
[03:07] <gds> azz alex, there're no these problems in sid :-)
[03:07] <ante> sommers: ?
[03:08] <lunitik> daniels: heh... I kinda just want to see it in action... but (tried with KDE...) it kept complaining that Composite wasn't even enabled (even though I added the correct lines to xorg.conf  :( )
[03:08] <superted> any tips on migrating to OOo 2.0 ? i would like to avoid having both 1.x and 2.0
[03:09] <alex> Guys, I want to resize my ext3 root partition, what's the easyest way to do it?
[03:09] <lunitik> daniels: grrr, that package still doesn't assign all the correct icons when you are using Human theme  :(
[03:09] <Q-FUNK> daniels: exactly what does the artwork package have to do with it?
[03:09] <ante> sommers: how to change it?
[03:09] <daniels> lunitik: hm?
[03:10] <lunitik> (about half of the icons contained aren't used for what it seems they are intended for... for instance the bugreport tool icon etc...)
[03:10] <sommers> ante: oh sorry. goto system administration login screen setup
[03:10] <Outoff_> for apache to work with php, I just need to install apache2 and apache_mod_php4 right?
[03:10] <sommers> ante: sorry, was away changing mine
[03:10] <ante> sommers, np
[03:10] <gds> Can anyone help me? I'd pass to Ubuntu from debian sid
[03:10] <lunitik> daniels: with the old menu editing mechanism, I went through and assigned many myself, but I don't really know how via cli... wish more were in use, its a nice set  :(
[03:10] <tizen> wdh: GPG error: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:10] <tizen> Someone else got that?
[03:11] <ante> okay.... how to change login screen SPLASH image... not login screen? anyone?
[03:11] <daniels> lunitik: dunno, sorry
[03:12] <queuetue> How do I set up firefox so I can just click on a wav and it will play ?  What software/config do i need?
[03:12] <lunitik> daniels: they are being assigned correctly there?
[03:12] <daniels> i really don't know
[03:12] <lunitik> queuetue: you need the correct codecs... see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:12] <ante> anyone? startup splash? howto change?
[03:13] <xbill> Hi ubuntu people :)
[03:14] <theine> daniels: are you a Ubuntu dev?
[03:14] <daniels> theine: yes
[03:14] <lunitik> daniels: bah... browse around /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable with your favorate graphical viewer... there are quiet a few that aren't assigned...
[03:14] <lunitik> daniels: he's the maintainer of X ... cuz he quit on KDE  :)
[03:15] <CarlK_> seb128 - on your CD boot issue
[03:15] <slask3n> why cant i install the .deb-files i download?? the only option i have is to open them in archive managetr (file-roller)
[03:15] <theine> daniels: sorry for asking in the dev channel
[03:15] <lunitik> daniels: if you find yourself with nothing to do of course... :P
[03:15] <daniels> theine: np.  i haven't seen that issue myself, and it sounds like a local thing/driver issue/whatever
[03:15] <daniels> lunitik: odds are low
[03:15] <lunitik> daniels: figured that  :)
[03:15] <CarlK_> seb128 - does do you get the same message if you pull the CDand try to boot from the HD?
[03:15] <ptlo> ante: it's a longshot and an ugly hack, but you can replace the image used by the default splash: on my old gnome 2.8 it's in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/
[03:16] <seb128> CarlK_: that's not a CD boot issue, that's an hdd issue when the installer eject the CD and reboot to install the packages
[03:16] <CarlK_> seb128 - ah
[03:16] <theine> daniels: I just remembered that I enables OpenGLVideoOverlay for my ati card and I use OpenGL through X11 forwarding, so maybe that's the reason
[03:16] <queuetue> lunitik, No, I want to know how to just have it play - not launch some huge video steaming application, I jsut want it to quietly and unobtrusively play wav files...
[03:17] <slask3n> why cant i install the .deb-files i download?? the only option i have is to open them in archive manager (file-roller)
[03:17] <lunitik> queuetue: they are working on a firefox totem plugin  :/
[03:17] <lunitik> queuetue: there is also mplayer-mozille
[03:17] <lunitik> queuetue: there is also mplayer-mozilla
[03:18] <lunitik> queuetue: umm... make that mozilla-mplayer...
[03:18] <ptlo> slask3n: you could save them to disk, open a terminal and install them using dpkg
[03:18] <lunitik> queuetue: its in restricted though  :P
[03:18] <lunitik> gah... multiverse... I think I need sleep  >:|
[03:18] <queuetue> lunitik, I can live with that, if it gets me across the finish line here.
[03:19] <slask3n> ptlo, no way to configure ubuntu to do the same automaticly?
[03:19] <trygvebw-away> Hi! What do you think about this Kubuntu CD label i just made? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=117998#post117998
[03:19] <lunitik> queuetue: add 'multiverse' to the line that states 'universe' in /etc/apt/sources.list (ensuring this line isn't commented..)  and 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer'
[03:20] <CarlK_> is there a file on the CD that inentifies what build it is?
[03:20] <Riddell> tritium: he he, I like it :)
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> i got a major problem. my sony ddu 1622 dvd drive cant read dvd anymore - after about 2 minuts of searching the dirve led goes off and "mount : no medium found" -- please help -*- anyone experienced this ?
[03:20] <tritium> Riddell, llike what?
[03:21] <lunitik> CarlK_: within base-files... there is...
[03:21] <h2> is there going to be a splash screen with hoary stable?
[03:21] <lunitik> h2: no
[03:21] <Riddell> that to trygvebw-away not tritium
[03:21] <h2> ok
[03:21] <Riddell> appologies
[03:21] <tritium> Riddell, no worries :)
[03:21] <ptlo> slask3n: you could tell firefox to run dpkg automatically.. maybe there's a nicer solution but i don't know of it - i'm just a newbie to ubuntu myself
[03:22] <slask3n> ok :) thanks anyway :)
[03:22] <ptlo> slask3n: (or, if you're opening them by clicking in the nautilus, you could instruct it to use dpkg to open them... the procedure's basically the same)
[03:23] <lunitik> ptlo: gnome-app-install is supposed to handle that....
[03:23] <lunitik> ptlo: could be installer... not sure
[03:23] <CarlK_> lunitik - you goint to tell me what it is?
[03:23] <lunitik> CarlK_: what what is?
[03:23] <ptlo> ahh...here's the answer, then :) thanks
[03:23] <ska-fan> Can I find out which possibly not installed package contains a file named pg_config?
[03:23] <CarlK_> is there a file on the CD that inentifies what build it is?
[03:23] <ptlo> slask3n: what lunitik said..
[03:24] <slask3n> ptlo: ok, ill try now
[03:25] <lunitik> CarlK_: in base-files... 'issue'...
[03:25] <ptlo> lunitik: i managed to get all the packages i needed for now with synaptic (which is a brilliant tool!, imho :), so i didn't explore that in more depth
[03:25] <lunitik> CarlK_: they ought to put that in debian-version... or make a file 'ubuntu-version'... but bah
[03:25] <CarlK_> lunitik - find ./ -name issue - nothing
[03:26] <lunitik> CarlK_: you need to extract the .deb  :/
[03:26] <lunitik> CarlK_: you on another distro?
[03:26] <CarlK_> lunitik - screw that ;)
[03:27] <CarlK_> seb128 - what is the md5sum of md5sum.txt? my daily is currently 1b092cb31402981e7d6875e332efdf3b  md5sum.txt
[03:27] <lunitik> CarlK_: you burn a file named 'hoary-install-*' or 'warty-install-*'?
[03:27] <seb128> CarlK_: the md5 is the one from the MD5SUM file on the mirror
[03:27] <CarlK_> seb128 - givfe me the #@$# md5sum!
[03:27] <ante> okay, i managed to change the session splash screen.... but the background during the splash is the annoying ubuntu brown
[03:28] <ante> anyone?
[03:28] <CarlK_> lunitik hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:28] <seb128> CarlK_: I know how to look on a md5, thanks, don't bother with that
[03:28] <seb128> CarlK_: I was just asking to Kamion if he did changes on that today
[03:28] <CarlK_> seb128 - then do it and tell me if I have the same one you do
[03:29] <slask3n> ptlo, lunatik: can i install apps with gnome-app-install? cause the only thing i see is a menu-configurator... :s
[03:29] <seb128> CarlK_: thanks but I don't need somebody to debug that for me
[03:29] <thoreauputic> ante: yes, I'd like to know how to change that brown background too
[03:29] <lunitik> CarlK_: then its 5.04 ... but it appears this isn't what you want  :/
[03:29] <thoreauputic> ante: wish I knew where it could be edited...
[03:30] <lunitik> thoreauputic: right click... Change Desktop Background
[03:30] <CarlK_> I was I have 3 boxes that I just installed last night - if it is the same image (not name, but same build) then I can say "dosn't happen here"
[03:30] <thoreauputic> lunitik: umm - no the *splash* background
[03:30] <ante> lunitik, that's not the background
[03:31] <xabb> can anyone aid me a sec?
[03:31] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I see a yellow splash background  (apparently knew...)
[03:31] <CarlK_> but I can't say that untill someone figures out if seb128 and I are using the same build, which apparently is top secrit confidintial information
[03:31] <thoreauputic> lunitik: but where can it be changed is the question...
[03:31] <ante> lunitik, try to remember... hard... :)
[03:32] <carambol> is there a way to upgrade FF to 1.0.3?
[03:32] <seb128> CarlK_: what are you trying to do ? Debug my issue ?
[03:32] <carambol> dev
[03:32] <seb128> CarlK_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/
[03:32] <CarlK_> seb128 - kinda - more confirm it
[03:32] <seb128> CarlK_: look on MD5SUM
[03:33] <Outoff_> hmm, what is the default documentroot for Apache2?
[03:33] <CarlK_> seb128 - that does not tell me what image _you_ used
[03:33] <Outoff_> I cant seem to find it in the apache2.conf
[03:33] <Bazzi> Outoff_ there is none
[03:33] <Bazzi> it depends on your se
[03:33] <Bazzi> system*
[03:33] <tritium> thoreauputic, is this what you're looking for: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#splashscreenimage ?
[03:33] <seb128> CarlK_: because I'm working on other stuff right know and don't want to go to run md5sum on the iso
[03:33] <seb128> CarlK_: that's 9f195a43914c74a90e47f84dd9144fa2  hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:33] <Outoff_> I just make it? Like DocumentRoot </dir> ?
[03:33] <Bazzi> and it should be in httpd.conf not apache2.conf
[03:34] <carambol> i mean Firefox1.0.3 -beta
[03:34] <CarlK_> seb128 which is why I asked for something that taakes 2 seconds
[03:34] <thoreauputic> tritium: thanks - I'll look to see :)
[03:34] <seb128> CarlK_: I've said, so, today i386 install
[03:34] <CarlK_> seb128 - md5sum md5sum.txt
[03:34] <Outoff_> the httpd.conf only have 2 setting
[03:34] <Bazzi> hmmm
[03:34] <Outoff_> 1*
[03:34] <CarlK_> seb128 - it may have been updated between when you pulled it and now
[03:34] <Bazzi> I hate those weird packagers who change every conf and shit :P
[03:34] <Outoff_> hehe
[03:34] <seb128> CarlK_: no
[03:34] <CarlK_> you have typed 10x as much as md5sum md5sum.txt, cut/paste
[03:34] <Outoff_> I just want my DocumentRoot :D
[03:35] <ante> thoreauputic, i checked that... it changes only splash image
[03:35] <tritium> CarlK_, please be polite
[03:35] <Bazzi> Outoff_ assuming there is none, just set one :)
[03:35] <Outoff_> ye, ill try that
[03:35] <tritium> ante, if you want a different background to the splash image, edit and replace the splash image
[03:35] <Bazzi> argh shit.