[00:03] <mjrosenb> while we're on the topic of 13.04, is there a reasonable upgrade path to 13.04 from the haked-sh-script installation for the chromebook?
[00:31] <Ethernin> KDE-plasma on the Nexus7....here we go!
[00:31] <Tassadar> oooh, craaap
[00:31] <Tassadar> i missclicked and started eclipse
[00:31] <Tassadar> it will take ages to launch and ages to shutdown again :(
[00:31] <Ethernin> hahaha
[00:32] <Ethernin> fuck booted me back into unity
[00:33] <Ethernin> standby
[00:33] <Ethernin> kdm is nice tho ^_^
[00:35] <Ethernin> not bad....not bad
[00:36] <Ethernin> yeah just like i thought
[00:36] <Ethernin> it's too much for it to handle off the bat
[00:36] <Ethernin> needs some tweaking
[00:36] <Tassadar> KDE had some project to bring plasma to mobile devices too, hadn't it?
[00:36] <Ethernin> some of the gestures are working at least
[00:36] <Ethernin> yeah i think it was plasma 3?
[00:42] <Ethernin> good god kde-plasma is buggy on this
[00:42] <Ethernin> RATS
[00:43] <Ethernin> looks nice tho...
[00:43] <Tassadar> yeah, that's KDE ^^
[00:43] <Ethernin> kinda figured as much....
[00:43] <Ethernin> i guess ill try kubuntu now
[00:44] <Ethernin> i just want something that works....
[00:44] <Ethernin> or can work...
[00:44] <Ethernin> i hate how normal hotkeys dont work in kde...
[00:44] <Ethernin> crtl alt T for instance...
[00:46] <Tassadar> what should that do?
[01:33] <Ethernin> Tassadar, open a terminal
[01:43] <Daughain> Has there been any work porting ubuntu to the Qualcomm chipsets?
[01:44] <infinity> We don't ship any Qualcomm kernels, no.
[01:44] <infinity> If you happen to have one handy, the userspace will all Just Work.
[01:45] <Daughain> Thanks, is there a link for editing kernels?
[01:45] <Daughain> Existing
[01:45] <infinity> No idea.
[01:46] <infinity> See above, re: we don't ship any.
[01:46] <infinity> If your device ships with an Android kernel, our userspace would work with that.  Or if the device or SoC manufacturer offer a BSP, or if Linaro has a kernel for that SoC, etc...
[01:48] <Daughain> Ok, I'm trying to find a way to run ubuntu as a dual boot, rather than a chroot. Any ideas here I should look to accomplish this?
[01:49] <infinity> I honestly have no clue.  Every device is (very) different, and I have no QC-based devices.
[01:49] <Daughain> Here==where
[01:50] <Ethernin> Daughain, i've been interested in the same thing for sure, have you tried recompiling the android kernel with more options for linux?
[01:50] <Daughain> Actually, I don't care if it dual boots, or just boots ubuntu. Either will work.
[01:50] <Daughain> Ethernin: can't compile anything right mow.
[01:51] <Ethernin> Daughain, yeah i was trying to get a desktop environment to boot instead of using vnc, doesn't work very well
[01:51] <Daughain> I'm trying to learn what has been done, and how much work I need to do to get cli
[01:52] <Ethernin> infinity, do you know if Ubuntu is being developed for android phones?  sorry if that's already been asked
[01:52] <Ethernin> Daughain, right, running full linux kernel and not chroot
[01:52] <Ethernin> I've been trying to figure out the same thing, haven't had much luck
[01:53] <infinity> Ethernin: Same answer as above.  We don't currently ship any kernels for any Android phones, but the userspace works fine with the Android kernels (and works better if you recompile with some extra bits turned on, as you've noted).
[01:54] <infinity> The closest we come is the Nexus7 tablet, which there's been much ado about us using as a reference platform for slate devices.
[01:54] <Ethernin> infinity, cool thanks, as far as recompiling the kernel for android, have you been able to get the proper sources and headers that match the android 3.0.8 kernel?
[01:55] <Ethernin> infinity, or just get as close as you can?
[01:55] <Daughain> Ok, thanks a lot guys, I need to do some more research....
[01:55] <Ethernin> good luck, report back!
[01:56] <infinity> The two Android kernel sources we ship are both at 3.1.10
[01:56] <Ethernin> ok roger
[01:56] <infinity> (ac100 and nexus7)
[01:56] <infinity> Both based on NVIDIA Tegra BSPs.
[01:56] <infinity> Every SoC vendor has their own blessed tree, sadle.
[01:56] <infinity> s/sadle/sadly/
[01:56] <Ethernin> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[01:56] <Ethernin> ok
[01:57] <Ethernin> so for instance trying to recompile the kernel on a samsung galaxy S3 wouldn't really work unless the kernel version was 3.1.10?
[01:57] <infinity> I'm kinda hoping (though not holding my breath) that the combination of more Android patches being mainlined, and Arnd's work toward single zImage in mainline might mean that the BSP madness can eventually come to an end.
[01:57] <infinity> But, y'know, that'll still be years in the making. :/
[01:57] <Ethernin> infinity, :(
[01:57] <Ethernin> infinity, it's too bad, yet another reason why the N900 kicked so much ass
[01:58] <infinity> Ethernin: Hrm?  No, what you'd need is a kernel tree that actually supports the S3, version is less relevant.
[01:58] <Ethernin> infinity, really hope the guys at jolla come out with the next version
[01:58] <Ethernin> infinity, ok hmm
[01:58] <infinity> I mean, we're shipping nexus7 sources at 3.1.10, but our mainline kernels are 3.7... Clearly, we don't care much about versions. :P
[01:59] <Ethernin> infinity, last time i looked at recompiling the android kernel on the SGS3 I ran into problems trying to find the headers and source that matched the kernel version, but I think I see what youre saying
[01:59] <Ethernin> lol right on
[02:02] <Ethernin> infinity, so any advice to get gestures working on the Nexus7 ?  I'm looking into utouch / multitouch and magick-rotation - I'm finding unity is deathly slow, XFCE and LXDE work pretty darn fast tho
[02:03] <Ethernin> infinity, gnome-fallback (classic) works pretty awesome but trying to make icons bigger and get single touch to open icons has been next to impossible with whats on there to begin with
[02:04] <Ethernin> infinity, anyway any advice in that direction would be greatly appreciated!
[02:04] <Ethernin> I also just tried kde-plasma but all kinds of problems there
[02:05] <infinity> Ethernin: I'm more of a low-level guy.  Asking me for advice with GUIs is like asking a physicist to perform neurosurgery.  I kinda know how it all works, but you don't want me mucking around in there.
[02:05] <Ethernin> infinity, hahaha lol fair enough, im the same way that's why I'm looking for help!  :P
[02:06] <Ethernin> I've got all the CLI tools and everything I need installed, it's just making it point and click now...
[02:27] <achiang> Ethernin: we support some gestures today, the non-working gestures are either bugs or unimplemented
[02:27] <achiang> Ethernin: for instance, 3-finger tap works (to display unity drag handles). 4-finger tap to display dash works too
[02:28] <Ethernin> AWESOME!
[02:29] <Ethernin> achiang, thank u!  I found the 3-finger, but like no desktop switching??
[02:29] <achiang> Ethernin: i don't know what that gesture is (but could find out tomorrow)
[02:29] <achiang> Ethernin: if you're into hacking multitouch, we'd love to see such patches
[02:30] <Ethernin> omg hell yes
[02:31] <Ethernin> achiang, that's my plan, I've recompiled the kernel with a wizard friend and have all the usb host mode packet injection support i need, plus ubertooth!  but really it's just making the desktop usable
[02:31] <Ethernin> onboard is pretty frustrating as well, I compiled florence keyboard which is pretty nice, but they're all super buggy and hard to use well
[02:31] <achiang> Ethernin: are you on the quantal image or raring image?
[02:32] <Ethernin> both - I have a 16GB nexus 7 running 12.10 and a 32GB with 3G running the latest Raring
[02:32] <Ethernin> reverse shells over the 3g was also in the plans
[02:32] <achiang> Ethernin: onboard in the raring image is not so bad
[02:32] <Ethernin> my goal is to create a nice easy-to-use pentesting platform and release it to the public after completed
[02:33] <Ethernin> yeah it's definitely better than on quantal
[02:33] <Ethernin> achiang, I really APPRECIATE all the work you guys have done getting Ubuntu working on the device
[02:34] <Ethernin> honestly I was going for an android phone but no one has really made full linux available for android phones that isn't some kind of chroot env ect
[02:34] <achiang> Ethernin: well, the rest of the team isn't here to accept the kudos but i'll certainly be happy to pass them on. :)
[02:35] <Ethernin> achiang, haha thanks man, it's really awesome to see ubuntu running on these small devices!
[02:35] <Ethernin> achiang, I will be mainly working on selecting the right desktop environment for the Nexus7 (probably LXDE or XFCE because they run the fastest) and getting all the multitouch stuff to work
[02:36] <Ethernin> I have a few people helping me, and would be happy to share/upload my results at the end of the week
[02:36] <achiang> Ethernin: i'm mostly a paperpusher, but if you want need help getting people to pay attention to your work, give me a poke
[02:36] <Ethernin> don't know where to send that stuff but maybe I'll just throw it in dropbox or something
[02:36] <Ethernin> for sure man!
[02:37] <achiang> Ethernin: fwiw, lxde/xfce will respond differently to multitouch than default compiz+unity
[02:39] <Ethernin> achiang, word thanks for that info,
[02:39] <achiang> Ethernin: not sure how those desktop environments respond to MT and/or gestures... also for unity, we at least have a spec for what *should* happen
[02:39] <achiang> (but everyone is of course free to choose their own desktop environment)
[02:39] <Ethernin> is there any documentation for that available?
[02:39] <achiang> let me go digging
[02:40] <Ethernin> achiang, well honestly I would love to use unity if it was faster, 2d was at least a little quicker and one of the main issues I've had is not being able to open desktop icons with one tap!!  and there's nowhere to change the mouse option to "1 click to open"
[02:40] <Ethernin> achiang, awesome thanks man!
[02:41] <achiang>  Ethernin send me an email, i can't find it atm
[02:42] <Ethernin> achiang, k roger, thanks a lot man!
[02:43] <achiang> Ethernin: cool, look what i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch
[02:43] <achiang> i'll try and find a list of the unimplemented ones tomorrow
[02:45]  * achiang goes to dinner
[02:45] <Ethernin> achiang, awesome thanks again!
[06:39] <raster> diwic: YO! the man i wanted to see!
[06:39] <diwic> raster, hi
[06:39] <raster> :)
[06:39] <raster> sound guru...
[06:39] <raster> nexus 7
[06:39] <raster> point me at some info/docs/something... i can use.. to get my audio to work! :)
[06:40] <diwic> raster, bug 1068804 ?
[06:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068804
[06:40] <raster> i know
[06:40] <raster> nup - donest help
[06:40] <raster> (suspend/resume dont fix anything - not even several cycles)
[06:40] <diwic> raster, hmm, interesting
[06:40] <raster> my initial problem was /dev/sdn/* permissioning
[06:41] <raster> ie my uid didnt have access
[06:41] <raster> so pulse couldnt talk
[06:41] <raster> and all i got was "dummy output" in pulse
[06:41] <diwic> raster, are you doing something custom, i e not ubuntu image?
[06:41] <raster> i figured that out
[06:41] <raster> and then pulse detects the tegra hw device
[06:41] <raster> ubuntu image...
[06:41] <raster> BUT... i nixed the desktop
[06:41] <raster> all system daemons working
[06:41] <raster> pulse still there
[06:42] <raster> desktop does handle pulse audio
[06:42] <diwic> raster, what does "nixed the desktop" mean?
[06:42] <raster> i have installed pavucontrol
[06:42] <raster> and that lets me diagnose soem stuff anf fiddle
[06:42] <raster> nixed - dont run unity (compiz+gnome bits etc.)
[06:43] <raster> nicex lightdm
[06:43] <raster> nixed lightdm
[06:43] <raster> (uninstaleld it - use nodm instead)
[06:43] <raster> my mem footrpint is down to like 160m ram
[06:43] <raster> as a result
[06:43] <raster> (total excluding buffers/cache)
[06:44] <raster> less actually
[06:44] <diwic> raster, do you still use consolekit to give you permissions to everything you should?
[06:44] <raster> 131m "userspace" from smem -t
[06:44] <Ethernin> raster, question is pavucontrol the desktop environment or are you going cli only?
[06:45] <raster> no
[06:45] <raster> but what do i need permission to other than pulseaudio server?
[06:45] <raster> i can get audio going through it
[06:45] <raster> it just ends up "nowehre"
[06:45] <raster> also i just chowned /dev/snd/* to myselfg anyway
[06:45] <raster> that was the perms problem
[06:45] <raster> Ethernin:  pavucontrol is in the gui (desktop)
[06:46] <raster> but tbh - dont care
[06:46] <raster> cmdline will be fine
[06:46] <Ethernin> raster, are u using gnome-classic (fallback?)
[06:46] <raster> no
[06:46] <raster> e17
[06:46] <raster> :)
[06:46] <raster> compositing is all happy
[06:46] <Ethernin> word
[06:46] <raster> suspend/resume all happy
[06:46] <Ethernin> hahaha nice
[06:46] <diwic> raster, I guess /dev/snd/* should be enough (together with some /sysfs stuff).
[06:46] <raster> i'm a bit miffed at the nvidia drviers not doing vsync swaps
[06:46] <raster> even tho swapinterval is requested to be 12
[06:46] <raster> err 1
[06:47] <raster> diwic: well i thought /dev/snd would be enough
[06:47] <raster> if there is something needing a write.. who would be doing it? pulse?
[06:47] <raster>  /sys is there - but of course readable only- not write
[06:48] <raster> i can hunt it down if my hunting fields are.. sensible :)
[06:48] <raster> i hear u are the guru fo sound so you probably would know what it might be :)
[06:48] <raster> i';ve never had this problem before on any ubuntu x86 install
[06:48] <diwic> raster, but the entire suspend/resume thing is a mystery to me. It might be that something is triggered when unity unsuspends but not when your system unsuspends.
[06:48] <raster> i've nuked unity/gnome/etc over the years and never hit a sound snag
[06:48] <raster> pulseaudio has always worked
[06:48] <raster> so what is different about the n7 compared to other ubuntus?
[06:49] <diwic> raster, the sound chip is different.
[06:49] <raster> e17 has pulseaudio mixer support - we even "reverse engineered" pa protocol in order to provide a working pa mixer without needing libpulse
[06:49] <raster> hahaha
[06:49] <raster> sure :)
[06:49] <raster> its different
[06:49] <raster> but what about access/permissioning is different?
[06:50] <diwic> raster, desktop machines use 100s of variants of Intel HDA, whereas the n7 uses tegra 3 + realtek alc5640
[06:50] <raster> ie - it goes via alsa.. so /dev/snd/* should be enough
[06:50] <raster> what ELSe is there? :)
[06:50] <raster> sure
[06:51] <diwic> raster, if it looks like sound is muted even though you have unmuted it (in PulseAudio, with my nexus7 profile), it's the same symptom as the suspend/resume bug.
[06:51] <raster> i'm happy to learn - this is not my specialty... so if there is some info/docs i can scour... i'd be more than happy to figure it out :) right now picking your brain is the next best step :)
[06:51] <raster> soudns LOOKS unmute3d
[06:52] <raster> according to e17's mixer and pavucontrol
[06:52] <diwic> raster, you have the ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 (or was it ubuntu-nexus7-defaults) installed, don't you?
[06:52] <raster> alsamixer (when run as root) gives me like 27842 controls
[06:52] <raster> i have been fiddling with everyone i can find
[06:52] <raster> i did notice one of them was muted by default after a boot
[06:52] <raster> that may be a cause of your suspend/resume issue
[06:53] <raster> yup
[06:53] <raster> installed
[06:53] <raster> i havent messed with any of those
[06:53] <raster> nb - awesome job getting ubu up on the n7 so far
[06:53] <raster> it made my life SO easy
[06:54] <raster> compared to what it normally is with arm targets
[06:54] <raster> its CLOSE to perfect
[06:54] <diwic> raster, if you've messed around with the alsamixer controls maybe you happened to turn one off that should have been on, or the other way around?
[06:54] <raster> multitouch for me works outof the box
[06:54] <raster> literlaly i can pinch/zoom/rotate in my toolking/apps out of the box
[06:54] <raster> just works (tm)
[06:54] <raster> well iv'e rebooted since i messed
[06:54] <raster> several times
[06:54] <raster> they reset to defaults on reboot
[06:55] <diwic> raster, hmm, are they? I thought they were saved in .. /var/lib/asound.state
[06:55] <diwic> or something like that
[06:55] <raster> nup
[06:55] <raster> last i knew it saved in ~/.asounrc or something
[06:56] <raster> ~/as...
[06:56] <diwic> do you have a custom .asoundrc too?
[06:56] <raster> no
[06:56] <raster> hmm
[06:56] <raster> /var/lib/alsa/asound/state is there
[06:56] <raster> ok
[06:56] <raster> thats a new file
[06:57] <raster> oh please dont telll me its that
[06:57] <raster> i swear i rebooted and mixer vals were reset from the mess i made
[06:57] <raster> i cant chekc right now.. as i'm sshing like 1500km to get to my n7
[06:58] <diwic> bbiab
[06:58] <raster> its speakers are not loud enough to hear that far
[06:58] <raster> :)
[06:58] <raster> i can check tonight tho
[07:13] <diwic> raster, I mean, the suspend/resume thing is a mystery to me, and chances are that when you switch desktops the bug might manifest itself differently, in which case I don't know what to do to help you
[07:16] <raster> hmm
[07:16] <raster> :(
[07:16] <raster> any info i can read up on what's invovled in sound output on the tegra?
[07:16] <raster> (and alsa/kernel etc.)
[07:17] <raster> any specific /sys nodes involved?
[07:17] <raster> any info on what all the alsa mixer control knobs really do?
[07:17] <raster> in fact.. what did you have to do to get it to work?
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <raster> moo
[07:32] <dholbach> just installed raring on the Nexus7 and things are looking quite good :)
[07:32] <raster> gl isnt totallly busted anymore?
[07:32] <raster> it was end of last week when i tried the 13.04 image
[07:33] <dholbach> raster, do you have a bug number about this? what was the problem you were looking at?
[07:33] <raster> all garbaged up tiles in unity for compositor pixmaps
[07:33] <raster> no i dont
[07:33] <dholbach> no, that's fixed
[07:33] <dholbach> a new unity+friends landed
[07:33] <raster> oh ok
[07:33] <dholbach> we were waiting for a fix in the nux library for a long while
[07:34] <raster> i saw that and then went to the 12.10 image
[07:34] <raster> which works fine
[07:34] <dholbach> but it couldn't land due to some other issues - in any case it's in there now
[07:34] <raster> does this have an update to the gles driver stuff from nv?
[07:34] <raster> as the lack of vsynced swaps is most annoying
[07:34] <raster> i'm wodnering if thats been fixed
[07:34] <dholbach> good question - I don't know
[07:35] <raster> and i have a sneaking suspicion that that its doing back -> front buffer copies, not swaps/exchanges
[07:35] <raster> well if u move a window.. do u get tearing?
[07:36] <raster> tho last i read compiz code.. it tyried to do glcopypixels from back to front bvuffer
[07:36] <raster> which wouldnt help with that
[07:36] <raster> but if u do eglswapbuffers it tears
[07:36] <raster> aat the compositor level - so i know its not vsyncing even tho its been asked to do a swapinterval of 1
[07:45] <raster> i'm just wondering if its better to perhaps file bugs with nvidia over these things instead
[07:45] <raster> as i know canonical just consume the drivers "as provided"
[07:46] <raster> tho i need to get all my niggly issues fixed up before i go filing bugs...
[07:46] <raster> i dont like to file a bug until i'm sure of it :)
[12:01] <dholbach> all right, my ARM friends - who of you is going to give a demo or talk at Ubuntu Developer Week? We still have a bunch of open slots: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[12:01] <dholbach> if you want you can just take a 30m slot and talk about something more specific if you like
[12:01] <dholbach> but I think it'd be great to have some ARM/device/memory/power/IO content in there as well
[13:13] <hrw> I hate when it happen
[13:13] <hrw> need to erase whole rootfs because it is faster then finding out what is fscked up
[13:39] <raster> diwic: ping
[13:40] <diwic> raster, hi
[13:40] <raster> diwic: my many thanks
[13:40] <raster> it was that asound file
[13:40] <raster> must have been from my messing when pulse still had dummy output only
[13:40] <raster> trying to get it to work
[13:40] <raster> (ie permissions problem)
[13:40] <raster> i fixed perms - but still had that around
[13:40] <raster> much thankinessess :)
[13:40] <diwic> raster, glad it helped :-)
[13:41]  * raster owes diwic a beer
[13:42] <raster> i now really wish i knew what all these mixer params did in alsa
[13:42] <raster> theres so many of them
[13:42] <raster> :)
[13:44] <diwic> raster, but you're still having the suspend/resume problem like the rest of us, right?
[13:45] <raster> yup
[13:45] <raster> needs a suspend/resume cycle
[13:45] <raster> that.. i can live with.. for now
[13:45] <raster> :)
[13:45] <raster> i have a tonne of stuff i want to do/make work/improve/whatever
[13:45] <raster> :)
[15:53] <jodh> anyone else got screen corruption issues on first boot and
[15:53] <jodh>              inability to enter text via onboard with todays image?
[15:53] <tassadar_> yeah
[16:35] <cortexA9> hello
[16:35] <cortexA9> what is the password of root of preinstalled img for the nexus 7 ?
[16:35] <cortexA9> i can login only with guest session
[16:35] <tassadar_> use sudo
[16:35] <cortexA9> i can't
[16:35] <cortexA9> with guest session..
[16:35] <tassadar_> sudo passwd root should work(?)
[16:35] <cortexA9> no..
[16:36] <tassadar_> ou, guest session, right, sorry
[16:36] <cortexA9> how to log in ?
[16:36] <cortexA9> i have only guest session
[16:36] <cortexA9> :(
[16:38] <cortexA9> very strange..
[16:38] <tassadar_> dunno, I can't even finish the "setup wizard" on 13.04, because the onboard does not show up and keyboard via OTG does not work (but I think that's keyboard's fault)
[16:39] <cortexA9> oh i downloaded preinstalled img
[16:39] <cortexA9> and now i am in the desktop
[16:39] <tassadar_> from where?
[16:39] <cortexA9> i have all
[16:39] <cortexA9> nexus 7
[16:40] <cortexA9> oh the img ?
[16:40] <cortexA9> you mean ?
[16:40] <tassadar_> yeah
[16:40] <infinity> cortexA9: First boot on the preinstalled image walks you through creating a user.
[16:40] <cortexA9> mmm..
[16:40] <cortexA9> i dont have this
[16:40] <infinity> (modulo the bug tassadar mentions)
[16:40] <tassadar_> initramfs-tools package is the the same for nexus 7 as is for the rest of ubuntu, right?
[16:40] <infinity> tassadar_: Yes.
[16:41] <infinity> tassadar_: Why do you ask?  (I'm upstream for it)
[16:41] <cortexA9> i think the img
[16:42] <cortexA9> i dont know..
[16:42] <cortexA9> was a mirror
[16:42] <tassadar_> I'd like to add support for booting from some folder in root (with mount -o bind), it is a short patch, gimme a while and I show you what do I mean
[16:42] <cortexA9> daily i think..
[16:43] <cortexA9> i tried with multirom
[16:43] <cortexA9> to add it..
[16:43] <tassadar_> isn't it 12.10?
[16:43] <cortexA9> no 13.04
[16:43] <tassadar_> well, multirom should not work with 13.04
[16:44] <cortexA9> why not ?
[16:44] <cortexA9> it seems work..
[16:44] <cortexA9> only i can't log in with root..
[16:44] <cortexA9> just this
[16:44] <tassadar_> how did you even install it?
[16:45] <cortexA9> i decompress it
[16:45] <cortexA9> and changed raw to img
[16:45] <cortexA9> and work..
[16:45] <tassadar_> are you sure that boot.img is correct?
[16:45] <cortexA9> mmm i dont know
[16:46] <cortexA9> maybe is the 12.10 boot ?
[16:46] <tassadar_> yeah
[16:46] <tassadar_> do uname -a
[16:46] <tassadar_> and tell me what does it says
[16:47] <cortexA9> Linux localhost.localdomain 3.1.10-7-nexus7 #11-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue.. armv7l ...
[16:48] <tassadar_> hmm, sorry, I thought I'd remember which one is 13.04, I _think_ it should be -8-
[16:48] <tassadar_> can you do...
[16:48] <tassadar_> cat /boot/config* | grep HARDBOOT
[16:48] <tassadar_> I hope it is accessible without root
[16:49] <cortexA9> mmm
[16:50] <tassadar_> nothing?
[16:50] <cortexA9> no such file or directory
[16:50] <cortexA9> i need to inject boot.img ?
[16:50] <cortexA9> in multirom ?
[16:50] <tassadar_> is config-somethingIdontRemember file in your /boot folder?
[16:51] <tassadar_> no, this should be part of ubuntu
[16:51] <cortexA9> permission denied
[16:51] <cortexA9> damn
[16:52] <tassadar_> yeah, got it, you are using 12.10 boot.img
[16:52] <tassadar_> it should be "3.1.10-8-nexus7"
[16:52] <cortexA9> mmm ok
[16:52] <cortexA9> i inject the new boot thanks
[16:53] <tassadar_> there is "Add/change boot.img" option in recovery in "list roms" menu
[16:53] <tassadar_> in puts the boot.img in right place and injects it
[16:53] <cortexA9> yes
[16:54] <tassadar_> infinity: http://pastebin.com/siEiZPJz something like this
[16:58] <cortexA9> tassadar_: i need to rename it ?
[16:58] <tassadar_> ?
[16:58] <cortexA9> in boot.img ?
[16:58] <tassadar_> what rename?
[16:58] <cortexA9> the file
[16:58] <tassadar_> which one)
[16:58] <cortexA9> raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.bootimg
[16:59] <tassadar_> yeah, recovery searches for files which end with ".img"
[17:01] <cortexA9> tassadar_: it failed..
[17:01] <cortexA9> file raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.boot.img
[17:01] <cortexA9> i renamed it..
[17:02] <tassadar_> what does recovery log says, adb shell into it and cat /tmp/recovery.log
[17:02] <infinity> tassadar_: Curious.  Does this actually work?
[17:02] <tassadar_> yed
[17:02] <tassadar_> yes
[17:03] <tassadar_> I'm using it to multiboot ubuntu on n7
[17:03] <tassadar_> along with kexec and "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1", it is the only thing I need to change in ubuntu, which is kinda amazing Oo
[17:04] <cortexA9> failed to decompress ramdisk
[17:05] <tassadar_> oh, yeah, the ramdisk is compressed with .lzma instead of .gz
[17:05] <tassadar_> see, that's why it is unsupported :D
[17:05] <cortexA9> lol
[17:05] <tassadar_> you could compress it as gzip on computer if you want
[17:06] <cortexA9> oh mmm
[17:06] <tassadar_> I am working on v3 which will support 13.04, it should be out this week
[17:07] <cortexA9> tassadar_, you are the developer of multirom ?
[17:08] <tassadar_> yes
[17:08] <cortexA9> oh nice :)
[17:09] <tassadar_> it is actually already all working, I just need to change the recovery and I'd like to try to get the changes into official ubuntu packages
[17:10] <cortexA9> how to open it ?
[17:10] <cortexA9> 7zip can't open it.
[17:11] <tassadar_> are you on ubuntu?
[17:11] <cortexA9> no atm no.
[17:11] <tassadar_> you know what, just wait, I'll edit it, it'll be faster
[17:12] <cortexA9> ok
[17:12] <cortexA9> :)
[17:14] <cortexA9> tassadar_: work now
[17:14] <cortexA9> i have the gz
[17:14] <cortexA9> wait
[17:15] <cortexA9> :D
[17:16] <tassadar_> okay)
[17:16] <tassadar_> just finished the editing too)
[17:17] <tassadar_> infinity: what do you think, should I submit it as a patch?
[17:17] <tassadar_> "should" as in "is it even worth the trouble?"
[17:19] <infinity> tassadar_: Submitting it as a Debian bug report might be nice.  I'll likely forget about it otherwise.
[17:19] <infinity> tassadar_: Assuming this is a feature you can envision people other than you wanting.
[17:22] <tassadar_> well, i suppose it would make multi-booting ubuntu on other android devices easier, but on desktop it is probably useless
[17:22] <tassadar_> booting from .img is already there though, but I guess that is used mainly in that "Install ubuntu as windows app" thing
[17:23] <[mbm]> wubi
[17:25] <tassadar_> that is just in the ubuntu's initramfs-tools, not in debian, I think I should submit it just to ubuntu
[17:26] <cortexA9> tassadar_: it's possible that multirom slow my system ?
[17:27] <tassadar_> which part exactly?
[17:27] <cortexA9> usb very slow
[17:27] <cortexA9> it really slow now..
[17:27] <tassadar_> like what, you are in ubuntu and copying something from usb or what?
[17:28] <cortexA9> no in the rom
[17:28] <cortexA9> copying something
[17:28] <cortexA9> from pc to tablet
[17:29] <tassadar_> hmm, look into battery usage, is "media" in there?
[17:29] <cortexA9> yes
[17:29] <tassadar_> android scans the /sdcard for media files after boot, and well, it scans also the whole of ubuntu (it is in /sdcard), which is a lot of files
[17:30] <cortexA9> oh ok
[17:30] <[mbm]> .nomedia
[17:30] <tassadar_> it _should_ finish 15-30mins after boot though
[17:30] <tassadar_> it ignores it
[17:30] <tassadar_> gallery does not show images from that folder, but the media scanner still goes in there
[17:31] <cortexA9> i can't force stop.
[17:31] <cortexA9> :D
[17:31] <tassadar_> you could kill it if you want, but I dunno if that does not break something
[17:32] <tassadar_> (in shell via "kill" command I mean)
[17:34] <cortexA9> with advanced task killer doesnt work :D
[17:34] <cortexA9> ok i try in shell
[17:36] <cortexA9> i need to root it :D
[17:36] <cortexA9> for kill
[17:37] <tassadar_> you what....
[17:37] <tassadar_> you don't have it rooted yet? Oo
[17:38] <cortexA9> no because i have problem with the battery today
[17:40] <cortexA9> today my battery was at 0%
[17:40] <cortexA9> i thought my nexus 7 dead..
[17:41] <cortexA9> now seems work
[17:41] <tassadar_> wau, okay, that is reason serious enough)
[17:42] <cortexA9> it's called
[17:42] <cortexA9> mediaserver right ?
[17:42] <cortexA9> the process ?
[17:42] <infinity> tassadar_: You can submit to whomever you like, I maintain it in both Debian and Ubuntu. :P
[17:43] <tassadar_> uh, it's the one which takes most cpu power, that is how I always find it
[17:43] <tassadar_> infinity: okay, creating bug report on launchpad right now
[17:46] <tassadar_> okay, english grammar question:) "Whose phone is that?" - the "whose" is for human beings, what is the same word for things?
[17:47] <dtchen> likely "those"
[17:47] <dtchen> I suppose it depends on the part of speech
[17:47] <cortexA9> lol
[17:47] <cortexA9> tassadar_: i kill it
[17:48] <cortexA9> but it appear..
[17:51] <cortexA9> mmm
[17:51] <cortexA9> seems not this the problem.
[17:52] <tassadar_> are you on windows or linux?
[17:52] <cortexA9> win
[17:53] <cortexA9> it's not a problem of multirom ?
[17:54] <tassadar_> to be honest, I don't know. I don't use windows, but I don't think the problem is in multirom. You could try asking in the XDA thread...
[17:55] <tassadar_> Are you copying like a big file, or bunch of smaller ones?
[17:55] <cortexA9> 6 mb..
[17:55] <cortexA9> maybe is win
[17:55] <cortexA9> try to reboot
[17:55] <cortexA9> see you
[18:01] <tassadar_> infinity: I also need to "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1" when booting, where is the best place to do it? Would new script in scripts/init-top which would simply call "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1" work?
[18:03] <cortexA9> tassadar_: it's win now work
[18:03] <cortexA9> but i can't inject boot.img
[18:03] <cortexA9> i compress with gzip
[18:04] <tassadar_> you need to extract the boot image, extract ramdisk, repack it, and repack the boot image)
[18:04] <cortexA9> oh..
[18:04] <cortexA9> lol
[18:04] <tassadar_> ...so, I get that you wanna that repacked image I just made)
[18:04] <cortexA9> i thought it's simple
[18:04] <cortexA9> :D
[18:05] <tassadar_> if only I'd remeber in which of the terminal tabs it was...
[18:05] <tassadar_> ah, here
[18:05] <cortexA9> what ?
[18:05] <cortexA9> you have a repacked image ?
[18:06] <tassadar_> nothing, here you go http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54372958/boot-raring-gz.img
[18:06] <infinity> tassadar_: Eh?  Why would you need it while booting?
[18:07] <infinity> tassadar_: If your boot process (or ours) is calling flash-kernel, that's a bit odd.
[18:07] <tassadar_> installer calls it
[18:08] <infinity> tassadar_: Oh, sure, that's a different story.  That means our installer isn't quite right for your setup, that's all.
[18:08] <cortexA9> lol
[18:08] <tassadar_> I will probably not use the installer though, so, it really is enough to do it after boot
[18:08] <tassadar_> where would be the appropriate place to do it?
[18:09] <tassadar_> (somewhere where no package will overwrite it)
[18:09] <cortexA9> tassadar_: how you can do multirom :D
[18:09] <cortexA9> i am curious
[18:10] <infinity> tassadar_: You should just remove flash-kernel, if it doesn't do the right thing for your setup.
[18:10] <infinity> tassadar_: Hacking around it is silly.
[18:10]  * tassadar_ slaps himself
[18:11] <tassadar_> forgot it is just package like everything else, so apt-get purge flash-kernel, nice :)
[18:11] <tassadar_> cortexA9: what? Oo
[18:11] <cortexA9> yes
[18:11] <cortexA9> i mean
[18:11] <cortexA9> multirom it's hard to make it ?
[18:12] <tassadar_> the idea is simple, the hard thing is to make it nice and easy to use for the "average android root user"
[18:12] <cortexA9> :)
[18:13] <cortexA9> lol
[18:13] <cortexA9> i inject it
[18:13] <cortexA9> thanks
[18:13] <cortexA9> now i try
[18:13] <tassadar_> I think the main difference is the graphical boot menu, I did not see that in any other multi boot mod on XDA
[18:14] <cortexA9> damn
[18:14] <cortexA9> it not boot..
[18:14] <cortexA9> lol
[18:14] <tassadar_> does it say anything?
[18:14] <cortexA9> yes
[18:15] <cortexA9> error no tarball found
[18:15] <cortexA9> did you use the right rootfs.img
[18:15] <cortexA9> ?
[18:15] <cortexA9> it say
[18:15] <tassadar_> there is no tarball because it is already installed, I hoped it would just print the error and continue on, but apparently not
[18:16] <tassadar_> gimme a while
[18:16] <cortexA9> ok
[18:18] <gurgalof> sudo fastboot flash userdata raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.img
[18:18] <gurgalof> takeswaay too long time
[18:19] <gurgalof> gets stuck at sending 'userdata' (728117 KB)...
[18:19] <gurgalof> i tried to make at image for 32GB nexus7
[18:20] <cortexA9> guys i think one thing
[18:20] <cortexA9> thinking
[18:20] <Ethernin> lol
[18:21] <tassadar_> gurgalof: fastboot has problems flashing files that big
[18:21] <gurgalof> how did nexus7-installer do it with quantal?
[18:22] <tassadar_> I think -S 600M switch could help with that...?
[18:22] <tassadar_> the images were smaller
[18:22] <gurgalof> there was an image for the 32GB one...
[18:22] <tassadar_> cortexA9: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54372958/boot-raring-gz2.img
[18:22] <gurgalof> -S 600M on what?
[18:23] <cortexA9> tassadar_: thanks
[18:23] <tassadar_> fastboot -S 600M flash userdata ..., but I am not sure it was exactly that, I did not try it
[18:26] <kulve> I think the -S doesn't work with nexus 7
[18:27] <tassadar_> yeah, people who were trying it said it mostly does not work
[18:27] <kulve> I didn't succeed even once.. I tried quite many times
[18:27] <tassadar_> if you have just root.tar.gz in that image, I would just copy it via recovery
[18:28] <cortexA9> tassadar_: no init found
[18:28] <cortexA9> try passing init=bootarg.
[18:29] <tassadar_> well, damn) which nexus do you have, 32gb with 3g?
[18:29] <cortexA9> no
[18:30] <cortexA9> 32 wifi
[18:30] <gurgalof> i have 32 with wifi too
[18:30] <gurgalof> it wont boot ubuntu sending over with -S 600M
[18:31] <tassadar_> cortexA9: I dunno, honestly, ton of things could be wrong - it is just not made to dual boot 13.04
[18:32] <cortexA9> mmm
[18:32] <kulve> I think it writes all those 600M pieces in the start of the partition..
[18:32] <tassadar_> well, just formating the /data partition in recovery and copying the roofs.tar.gz in there should work okay
[18:32] <cortexA9> tassadar_: ok no problem
[18:33] <gurgalof> i did make_ext4fs -s -l 27G rootfs.img build/
[18:33] <gurgalof> how should i send i over when fastboot wont do it
[18:34] <kulve> I've used a modified initrd script that passed the parition as usb mass storage to the PC. Then I can do whatever I want with it
[18:34] <tassadar_> what is in the build/ folder? there should be just one tar.gz in there, right?
[18:35] <gurgalof> yep
[18:35] <tassadar_> do you have some custom recovery installed on n7?
[18:35] <kulve> is the image <700M?
[18:35] <gurgalof> no and no
[18:35] <kulve> can't flash it then with fastboot
[18:36] <gurgalof> ending 'userdata' (728117 KB)...
[18:36] <gurgalof> a little too big
[18:36] <kulve> the limit is about 700M, I'm not exactly sure about the size
[18:37] <gurgalof> what does that limit come from?
[18:37] <kulve> it goes to memory first
[18:37] <gurgalof> ah
[18:37] <tassadar_> if you had the recovery installed, you could copy the tar.gz into /data partition, without flashing
[18:37] <tassadar_> either via adb push or via OTG flash drive
[18:37] <cortexA9> you can add rom
[18:38] <cortexA9> rootfs right
[18:38] <tassadar_> ?
[18:38] <cortexA9> no nothing sorry
[18:38] <cortexA9> :)
[18:39] <cortexA9> tassadar_: and with apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[18:39] <cortexA9> i can upgrade at 13.04 ?
[18:39] <cortexA9> from 12.10
[18:40] <tassadar_> it will probably just break - v2 does some ugly things to make dual-booting work :/
[18:40] <cortexA9> mmm
[18:40] <cortexA9> maybe not :P
[18:41] <cortexA9> i try :D
[18:41] <kulve> http://ruedigergad.com/2012/12/09/nexus-7-easily-flashaccess-entire-userdata-partition/
[18:41] <kulve> that's what I used for my non-ubuntu rootfs
[18:42] <cortexA9> it's a question of packages..
[18:42] <cortexA9> i think
[18:42] <gurgalof> i need a 27GB image, that is under 700MB...
[18:43] <cortexA9> why you need that ?
[18:43] <kulve> that's not a problem if you have only a 500M of files in there :)
[18:43] <gurgalof> i have the same files as the daily build
[18:43] <gurgalof> the 6GB image is 40MB smaller
[18:44] <gurgalof> and it will flash
[18:44] <cortexA9> how can i put kubuntu ?
[18:45] <cortexA9> just install kubuntu-desktop ?
[18:45] <cortexA9> but i tried..
[18:45] <cortexA9> but still open unity..
[18:46] <cortexA9> strange
[18:46] <gurgalof> hmm maybe a higher compression on the tar.gz may work
[18:47] <tassadar_> can you remove some packages from the build?
[18:47] <cortexA9> who?
[18:47] <tassadar_> gurgalof
[18:48] <gurgalof> dunno, just wanted the daily build, but the right size for 32GB
[18:48] <kulve> gurgalof: create the image without the rootfs.tar.gz and flash that. Then follow the instructions in the blog post, mount the partition like an USB stick and copy as big rootfs.tar.gz there as you want
[18:49] <kulve> the fastboot command there with the moslo images doesn't flash anything, just temporarily boot with those files.
[18:49] <cortexA9> tassadar_: one question
[18:49] <gurgalof> i see, i will try in a moment....
[18:50] <tassadar_> yes
[18:50] <cortexA9> the modified recovery add multirom right ?
[18:51] <cortexA9> i flashed it with nexus 7 toolkit
[18:51] <cortexA9> the button multirom right
[18:51] <cortexA9> because they didn't appear
[18:51] <cortexA9> because it didn't appear
[18:52] <cortexA9> with only multirom
[18:52] <tassadar_> do you use some theme for TWRP?
[18:52] <cortexA9> no..
[18:52] <gurgalof> what, an empty image takes 140MB....
[18:53] <tassadar_> cortexA9: i don't really understand what you need)
[18:54] <tassadar_> you have to flash modified recovery image - I don't know what does the toolkit does, does it flash recovery by itself or does it let you choose the .img file?
[18:54] <cortexA9> tassadar_: because with only multirom it didn't appear in TWRP..
[18:54] <cortexA9> just this
[18:54] <cortexA9> yes i can choose the img file
[18:54] <tassadar_> you have to flash bot recovery and multirom zip
[18:54] <tassadar_> *both
[18:54] <cortexA9> ok
[18:55] <cortexA9> must go
[18:55] <cortexA9> eat
[18:55] <cortexA9> bye
[18:58] <gurgalof> kulve, to compile moslo i need kernel zImage...
[18:59] <kulve> isn't the needed kernel and initrd images in that moslo package that you can extract with rpm? The instructions are there on the post, a bit inconvenient though..
[19:00] <gurgalof> can i use rpm in ubuntu, isn that fedora shit
[19:03] <gurgalof> kulve, ?
[19:13] <gurgalof> seem that ican use alien to conver rpm to deb
[19:30] <gurgalof> kulve, how do i send the tar.gz over via telnet?
[19:31] <cortexA9> you know ssh doesnt work in arm ?
[19:32] <gurgalof> nvm, saw that i got a mass storage device
[19:34] <cortexA9> i think there is a problem with openssh in arm
[19:34] <cortexA9> in quantal
[19:34] <cortexA9> i tried it
[19:42] <infinity> cortexA9: Eh?  SSH works on ARM just fine.
[19:43] <cortexA9> sure ?
[19:43] <cortexA9> mmm
[19:44] <cortexA9> i lost the connection
[19:44] <cortexA9> after login
[19:44] <infinity> Positive.  I use it all the time, on many different ARM hosts.
[19:44] <LisaNori1> I've certainly used ssh a number of times on my nexus7 running raring.
[19:44] <infinity> If it lets you login, THEN you lose the connection, that's not SSH having an issue, that's something logging you out or killing your shell.
[19:45] <cortexA9> i mean in quantal..
[19:45] <infinity> Yes, I heard you.
[19:45] <infinity> SSH on ARM in quantal works fine.
[19:45] <cortexA9> no for LisaNori1
[19:46] <LisaNori1> Yep, I know.  I was just adding another data point.
[19:46] <cortexA9> ok
[19:46] <cortexA9> i don't know what is..
[19:47] <cortexA9> very strange
[19:57] <tassadar_> ssh in 12.10 on n7 works okay for me
[20:01] <kulve> gurgalof: so you did get it mounted over usb?
[20:02] <kulve> and about the rpm, you can "use" it just fine in deb based systems, it just doesn't have any packages in the DB, so installing anything is a bit tricky. But for extracting packages or checking the info of them works nicely
[20:08] <tassadar_> hmm, I do wonder if n7's bootloader can boot the second bootloader, like u-boot
[20:09] <tassadar_> I mean, there is a entity called "second" in the boot.img, looks like it is just for that purpose
[20:10] <RaYmAn> I have yet to actually see any devices support the second part in boot.img's
[20:11] <RaYmAn> but you could technically chainload a non-initializing u-boot packed as a boot.img kernel
[20:13] <tassadar_> ooh, so that is the way grub could actually be done even for devices with "locked" bootloader
[20:14] <tassadar_> now I see what ogra_ meant
[20:20] <gurgalof> kulve, yep, got it working...
[20:20] <kulve> gurgalof: great
[23:35] <quince> Hi.  Just booted with daily build on nexus 7 for the first time, great to see the logo on the screen :-)
[23:36] <quince> However, onscreen keyboard has stopped having any effect on the "Who are you" screen
[23:36] <quince> (ironic given that I was planning on doing some work on an onscreen keyboard)
[23:38] <quince> what's the best way to give it a poke?  I don't even know how to power it down from here...
[23:53] <quince> At some point I think the panel icons were unresponsive, and that trained me into thinking that the "Who are you" dialog was modal.  In fact I could just reboot using the power button icon at the top (but not using fastboot -- why?)
[23:54] <quince> got through the dialog fine this time...


[20:11] <serfus> in what team do i need to be in order to assign translations bugs to language teams?


[08:03] <henninge> Hm, I am not sure if I should be OCR today given that I am to do r-c reviews, too.
[08:34] <adeuring> goodmoring
[20:25] <thumper> abentley: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/recipe-binary-builds/+merge/40686
[20:26] <thumper> http://people.canonical.com/~tim/recipe-latest-builds.png
[21:26] <abentley> thumper: It looks like you're showing the start time and estimated start time for binary builds, even though the times for sourcepackagerecipe builds are completion times.  Was this intentional?
[21:27] <thumper> no... I don't think so
[21:29] <abentley> Sorry, what do you mean?  "I don't think it was intentional"?  "I don't think I'm showing the start time"?  "I don't think the times for sourcepackagerecipe builds are completion times"?
[21:29] <thumper> abentley: :)
[21:30] <thumper> abentley: I wasn't intentionally showing different things
[21:30] <thumper> I copied the binary build time stuff from their build-index page
[21:30] <thumper> I hadn't realised that our times were completed times
[21:30] <abentley> thumper: It wouldn't hurt to change the title of that column from "Time" to "completion time" or something.
[21:30] <thumper> perhaps we should change ours to be start time too?
[21:31] <abentley> thumper: I figure that you don't really care when a build will start, you care when it will be done.
[21:32] <thumper> abentley: well... we are showing the status...
[21:32] <abentley> Sure, but I don't get the relevance.
[21:32] <thumper> I'd rather see "started 3 minutes ago" than "in 5 minutes"
[21:32] <thumper> if you read the status then the time we see things like:
[21:33]  * thumper skips examples
[21:33] <thumper> perhaps we should have a build ETA as well
[21:33] <thumper> do we know that?
[21:33] <abentley> thumper: Sure.  That's what we show for source package recipe builds.
[21:34] <thumper> if we can say "started 5 minutes ago (ETA 6 minutes)
[21:34] <thumper> or something
[21:34] <abentley> thumper: And then when it completes we go back to showing "started 11 minutes ago"?
[21:34] <thumper> no...
[21:35] <thumper> when it's complete we show the finished time
[21:35] <abentley> thumper: If we're going to show a start and end time all the time, why not just have two columns?
[21:35] <thumper> we only show "started 11 minutes ago" when it is building
[21:35] <thumper> we only care about both times when it is actually building
[21:35] <thumper> before it is building we mostly care about when it will start
[21:36] <abentley> thumper: But after 6 minutes, it should be finished building.
[21:36] <thumper> when it's done we care about when it finished
[21:36] <thumper> abentley: sure
[21:36] <abentley> Before it is building I mostly care about when it will finish.
[21:36] <abentley> While it is building I mostly care about when it will finish.
[21:36] <thumper> and here is part of the problem
[21:36] <thumper> the expectation that is shown is when the recipe will be finished
[21:36] <thumper> not the binary build
[21:37] <thumper> so showing an expected completed time (according to some) should include the binary times
[21:37] <thumper> ah...
[21:38] <thumper> the build estimates come from past history?
[21:38] <abentley> thumper: Sure.
[21:38] <abentley> thumper: On the first build, we guess 10 minutes.
[21:38] <thumper> so... what you are saying is we should show ETA to build completion for the binary buids
[21:39] <abentley> thumper: Yes, I think we should.
[21:39] <thumper> ok
[21:39] <abentley> thumper: I'm okay with the idea of adding another column for the estimated (or actual) start time.
[21:40] <abentley> thumper: I would rather not put both times into the same column, like "started 5 minutes ago (ETA 6 minutes)"
[21:41] <thumper> hmm...
[21:42] <thumper> I'll poke it and see how it looks
[21:42] <abentley> thumper: okay.
[21:43] <abentley> thumper: Whatever we settle on, I want the times in that column to consistently refer to either the start or the finish.
[21:43]  * thumper nods
[21:54] <abentley> thumper: It looks like you're also deliberately changing sourcepackagerecipe build date display.  I didn't notice this before.
[21:55] <abentley> thumper: I wanted to reduce the amount of status-based switching that goes on in these TAL templates, but your changes introduce that.
[21:55] <thumper> yeah...
[21:55] <thumper> I changed it after messing with the binary buids
[21:56] <abentley> thumper: I'm still pleased  with the way I did it, and I'd rather we did binary builds that way.
[21:59] <abentley> thumper: The less logic in the TAL, the better.


[17:35] <mohmaya> hello!
[17:51] <mohmaya> hello; I've had a strange problem accessing nvidia's website using either browsers (chrome / firefox) or curl. However, I have no issues accessing the website from Windows on the same PC. I've asked this question before here, but I'm just lost about what the issue is, and am hoping someone can guide me. I don't have any proxy setup. When I try running curl for https://developer.nvidia.com, it hangs at "ALPN, offering http/1.1". eventually, it exists
[17:51] <mohmaya> with the following error(s) "* gnutls_handshake() failed: Error in the pull function


[11:21] <int_ua> Hi, quickly submitubuntu is crashing for me and the bug report is private for hours now, do I have to to something more besides reporting it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quickly/+bug/1081899
[11:21] <ubot2> int_ua: Error: launchpad bug 1081899 not found
[11:21] <int_ua> s/to to/to do/


[05:04] <Daniel> thats someone else
[05:34] <Fluor> Daniel, what is your mirror on launchpad? What does it say?
[05:40] <Daniel> it does not exist
[05:40] <Daniel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.nav.ro-archive
[05:41] <Daniel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.nav.ro-release
[05:41] <Daniel> prober logs show last on 2022-05-10
[05:42] <Fluor> And it has it been registered for longer?  Your best bet might be to mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with your questions.
[05:44] <Daniel> Already did
[05:45] <Daniel> it has been registered since 2018


[00:00] <daftykins> i think i can take some RAM out of the one i got today and turn the 6GB RAM core 2 quad into an 8GB RAM core 2 quad \o/
[00:07] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Any incinative, I run dual core athlons on 4 gigs of ram .. does well .
[00:18] <OerHeks> i putted in an ancient nvidia 250
[00:19] <OerHeks> well, not that ancient, but it is a big card, http://dragoncomputing.co.uk/estore/images/products/1015394081.jpg
[00:19] <OerHeks> and it works .. now i forgot my password n that testmachine :-D
[00:20] <OerHeks> good, now i have something to play with.
[00:21] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, i would still work on this self-build machine, if i didn't got that i3 from my neighbour, he wanted to dump
[00:28] <daftykins> one of the machines won't even POST now :) time for bed at that i think! g'night all :)
[00:32] <OerHeks> :-)
[05:22] <Bashing-om> I am done ,,, see yall .
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[05:53] <OerHeks> heya lotuspsychje
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks how are you?
[05:54] <OerHeks> good, and you, hard working person?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> yes, very
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> but its good to earn some $$
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> the benefits of doing overtime hours :p
[05:55] <OerHeks> :-)
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> website is building slowly..
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> my admin has alot of work
[06:30] <ducasse> \o morning!
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[06:36] <ducasse> going to work today?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> yep
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> late shift
[06:36] <ducasse> good, and you still like the job?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> but 4 days off this week, good news
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> yeah sure, it will be perfect to combine with my business
[06:37] <ducasse> how so?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> now its summer season and doing 38h/week
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> in september it will drop down to 20H/week
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> so ill have more time to work the ubuntu shop
[06:38] <ducasse> ahh, i see. when do you think your shop will open?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> well ive started already, but alot of paperwork still
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> and website is building slowly
[06:39] <ducasse> are you open for business already?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> i can only start advertise when website is ready
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> officially yes
[06:41] <ducasse> so not aiming for a career as a chef? :)
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> ill combine them as long as possible
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> its a sideway business, so less change of bankrupt
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> chance
[06:43] <ducasse> right. i saw the website you posted a link to, looking good imo.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah its just a default game theme for now
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> alot of work needed
[06:43] <OerHeks> hi ducasse
[06:43] <ducasse> will you also be selling ubuntu phones/tablets?
[06:43] <ducasse> morning, OerHeks
[06:43] <OerHeks> yes, a website design costs time ..
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah ill try ducasse , but i cand find the bq 4.5 online anymore
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> ill try to re-sell the m10 tablet aswell
[06:45] <ducasse> me neither, i've been thinking of swapping out my android..
[06:45] <OerHeks> bq 4.5 and 5 and meizu 5 are all out of stock, meizu 6 will be announced soon i think
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> ashame...why they let it run out of stock when so popular..
[06:46] <OerHeks> I think sales are disappointing ..
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[06:46] <ducasse> must be really tough to break through on mobile...
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> well ill try to change that
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:03] <OerHeks> ducasse, how would you like your troll, in the morning ? grinn
[08:08] <ducasse> $deity, this guy is something else...
[08:09] <OerHeks>  /home/Sync+ .. never knew a + was allowed in /home/username
[08:09] <ducasse> hmm, i thought it was limited to alphanum...
[08:10] <OerHeks> yes, i was just checking .. https://paulgorman.org/technical/presentations/linux_username_conventions.pdf
[08:10] <OerHeks> underscore and - and $ can be used too
[08:11] <ducasse> $? that's a bit surprising, actually.
[08:11] <ducasse> not that i ever imagine using it :)
[08:11] <OerHeks> yes, for me too, only at the end or in between, AFAIK
[08:12] <ducasse> the first char has to be a-z, or is that no longer true?
[08:13] <OerHeks> even --force-badname  cannot allow the +
[08:14] <OerHeks> yes, i think so
[08:16] <ducasse> hehe - "if you don't understand it, don't bother" :)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[18:42] <ducasse> "i read somewhere on the internet that..."
[18:42] <daftykins> :D
[18:42] <OerHeks> yeah ..
[18:43] <daftykins> we get this one in a UK channel that finds links to disprove you no matter what you say, even if they're 2 year old articles
[18:43] <ducasse> why don't people check their sources?
[18:43] <daftykins> worse still, it's a Mint user that refuses to go to the Mint server
[18:43] <OerHeks> i am having fun man.. reading tortib in #debian
[18:43] <OerHeks> claiming using debian :-D
[18:43] <ducasse> i think i remember him/her :)
[18:44] <OerHeks> Yes he has been with us all week
[18:44] <daftykins> what's he really using?
[18:44] <OerHeks> dunno, hanging in elementary and mint channel too, no sign of him there
[18:45] <daftykins> o0
[18:45] <OerHeks> actually, he is a little more polite with us than in #debian
[18:45] <ducasse> the mint crowd should support their own users :( if they think ubuntu is identical, why not use that?
[18:48] <daftykins> this one claimed they don't answer, so i guess it just lacks a community
[18:49] <ducasse> odd, wasn't mint recently #1 on distrowatch for quite some time?
[18:50] <OerHeks> distrowatch .. nice info, but statistics are not saying anything
[18:51] <ducasse> i understand it's just an indication
[18:52] <OerHeks> best way to measure is the number of users in a  channel, i think
[18:52] <OerHeks> but that could also be not true
[18:53] <ducasse> OerHeks: possibly. i wonder how many of the users in #ubuntu are actually on a derivative, though.
[18:53] <OerHeks> heh, 50%i think
[18:56] <daftykins> pesky liars!
[18:57] <daftykins> the best anyone ever claimed was of benefit to be on Mint was the default codec situation, which they've now removed...
[18:57] <OerHeks> not removed, just one click
[18:58] <daftykins> no no, Mint stopped bundling them in their install media because they don't want to do the testing anymore
[18:58] <OerHeks> oh, they get smarter
[19:00] <daftykins> clever mint!
[19:03] <ducasse> never saw a reason to switch to mint, perfectly happy with ubuntu. it's in many ways not a default install, i really like being able to install just what i need/want.
[19:03] <OerHeks> as we have mate too .. i understand
[19:06] <ducasse> i frequently hear people criticize ubuntu because of unity, but that's not a good argument...
[19:07] <OerHeks> those same people do not complain if a newer windows changes a lot of stuf, they like it without seeing it.
[19:07] <OerHeks> but whow, if ubuntu makes a turn ...
[19:09] <ducasse> it's odd, yes. they seem to accept anything from ms...
[19:09] <daftykins> i dunno, 8 made a lot of changes and everyone was up in arms over it
[19:11] <ducasse> sure, but look at the data gathering/"telemetry" thing - hardly anyone cares.
[19:11] <daftykins> right, and do you know why? because look at the actual truth behind what that's doing compared with the sensational articles about it
[19:12] <daftykins> were the articles about ubuntu and amazon searches not the same tinfoil hat wearing rubbish? yup
[19:13] <ducasse> i never looked that much into it, but i did read the eulas that were published, they were kinda scary. i've no idea what they _actually_ gather, though.
[19:13] <OerHeks> i hear nobody about musicplayers looking for lyrics/artwork that can be recorded too.
[19:13] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:13] <OerHeks> or VLC stats
[19:14] <BluesKaj> I was never a gnome fan or unity, KDE has always been my choice for a DE even on other distros
[19:14] <daftykins> ducasse: thing was Microsoft's agreements are covering their online services now too, so a lot of it is a blanket thing to cover it all
[19:15] <OerHeks> i liked KDE too, but after some troubles i went back to unity, though gnome3 is awesome too, if you take your time to get used to it. this is universal i guess for all desktops
[19:15] <daftykins> so just how gmail reads users email to provide targeted ads, so too can outlook.com - MS' free email service (new name for hotmail) so they write their agreements to cover reading your email there too
[19:15] <BluesKaj> OerHeks,  no doubt
[19:16] <ducasse> daftykins: that could be, it was still scary reading :)
[19:17] <daftykins> it is when taken out of context and sensationalised by today's clickbait journalism
[19:17] <daftykins> i can't defend all of it though, not being able to turn all the telemetry off is a shame
[19:18] <daftykins> but so far the things they've published have been about receiving system logs to see that a release day nvidia driver was causing problems, info on the apps people install from the MS store i think...
[19:18] <daftykins> i think i prefer to just live life than go about paranoid
[19:19] <OerHeks> "are there any paranoids in the audience tonight? ... pathetic.." i love pink floyd
[19:20] <BluesKaj> we still phone each other in our family,  email is seldom used even tho everyone quite computer savvy
[19:20] <ducasse> me too, daftykins, but i *do* read eulas before i accept them, and i'm wary of certain google products etc. personal choice, though, i fully understand that many don't care.
[19:21] <daftykins> guy in another channel doesn't believe that Microsoft will stop 10 being free this Friday
[19:21] <daftykins> i can see his point, but i don't think they'd make such a big deal about it ending :)
[19:21] <OerHeks> err today is the last day, isn't it?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> W10 is fugly
[19:22] <OerHeks> we got spam all over from dutch sites
[19:23] <OerHeks> "are you sure not to upgrade?"
 Let's see what happens in the IRC world .
[19:36] <daftykins> >:D
[20:03] <ducasse> is there anywhere new snap packages in the store are announced?
[20:16] <Bashing-om> ducasse: A quick look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321161 ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2327088 I did not see anything but maybe you can glean a hint ?
[20:21] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i'll read the rest of those tomorrow, thanks. it'd be nice if new snaps were announced somewhere, now we basically have to dig through 'snap find' now and then.


[07:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:08] <didrocks> good morning
[07:09] <jibel> salut didrocks et oSoMoN
[07:09] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:16] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks & jibel
[07:19] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[08:03] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[08:23] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers
[08:43] <marcustomlinson> morning oSoMoN didrocks jibel Wimpress and seb128
[08:43] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:43] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, you were mentioning nautilus/mtp problems?
[08:43] <didrocks> so, nautilus has a 50% of chance hanging for me when doing copy over mtp
[08:43] <marcustomlinson> seb128: meh still recovering, you?
[08:43] <didrocks> I never got any issue when cp on a terminal
[08:43] <seb128> like locking the whole nautilus?
[08:44] <seb128> or just the copy hanging?
[08:44] <didrocks> yeah, and then, other apps are responsive
[08:44] <didrocks> but not nautilus
[08:44] <didrocks> can't even move it
[08:44] <didrocks> (move the window)
[08:44] <didrocks> or have any other nautilus windows acting
[08:45] <didrocks> I don't have a stacktrace for it though reported it seems
[08:45] <seb128> looks a bit like bug ##1845302)
[08:45] <seb128> bug #1845302
[08:45] <didrocks> I don't even have the application not responsding dialog
[08:45] <seb128> would still be useful to see if the proposed version helps with that pb
[08:45] <seb128> even if your segfault was a different one
[08:45] <didrocks> well, I can see it when killing the shell, so maybe it's opening on the brackground?
[08:46] <didrocks> yeah, let me file some bugs and I'll update later
[08:46] <didrocks> though
[08:46] <didrocks> when it's stuck
[08:46] <didrocks> I can still click on the terminal for instance
[08:46] <didrocks> and type there
[08:46] <didrocks> so, it's not a full X11 hang?
[08:46] <didrocks> as I can change focus and type
[08:47] <seb128> weird one
[08:47] <seb128> also I wish I was able to reproduce the mtp one
[08:47] <seb128> I wonder if that's the same as bug #1792085 , it's a frequent complain from some users since bionic but I never could reproduce
[08:48] <oSoMoN> good morning Wimpress, marcustomlinson, seb128
[08:49] <didrocks> seb128: I don't really know if it started due to some issues on eoan, OR if recent phone is not as good on the mtp side and trigger this…
[08:50] <didrocks> seb128: a little bit terse, but opened as bug #1853112
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks, thx
[08:51] <seb128> @mtp, yeah, I doubt the phone does mtp wrong, but maybe it does it a slightly different way that isn't handled well by libmtp or something
[08:51] <seb128> hard to tell without proper debugging :/
[08:51] <didrocks> could be, I'm switching to full terminal for some days
[08:51] <seb128> but we can't debug all the issues today :)
[08:51] <didrocks> and will see if I get the same issues
[08:51] <seb128> thx
[08:51] <didrocks> yeah, it's the one which triggered the 3 of them
[08:51] <didrocks> quite annoying to copy podcast on the phone for a run :)
[09:11] <jibel> I enabled automated tests of Focal and first builds have been promoted to current
[10:19] <seb128> jamesh, weekly summary reminder :-)
[13:47] <Trevinho>  /reconnect
[13:53] <didrocks> -- disconnected
[13:53] <didrocks> -- connected
[13:57] <Trevinho> :)
[14:16] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[14:16] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[14:16] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:16] <hellsworth> hi yall :)
[14:17] <hellsworth> i woke up bright eyed and ready to do all the things at 5am. this is one of the nice things about going to europe for a conference :)
[14:23] <Wimpress> Hi hellsworth
[14:23] <hellsworth> hi there
[14:29] <oSoMoN> hey hellsworth
[14:30] <hellsworth> hi Olivier!
[14:30] <seb128> _o/
[14:30] <hellsworth> :)
[14:31] <seb128> Wimpress, meeting? ;)
[14:32] <didrocks> hey
[14:33] <Wimpress> seb128: Can you drive the IRC bot please?
[14:33] <seb128> Wimpress, sure, can do
[14:34] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-19
[14:34] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 19 14:34:02 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:34] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:34] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out iirc?), laney (out), marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:34] <hellsworth> o/
[14:34] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:34] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:34] <jibel> \o
[14:34] <Trevinho> o/
[14:35] <seb128> Wimpress, you handle those or do you want me to just drive while you get used to the way we usually roll?
[14:35] <Wimpress> Ken is visiting a customer.
[14:35] <Wimpress> seb128: Please run this one, I making note :-)
[14:35] <seb128> k, what I though, but since we didn't get that "start of week" email :p
[14:35] <seb128> Wimpress,
[14:35] <seb128> k
[14:35] <seb128> so bionic bugs!
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:35] <seb128> desktop section empty
[14:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <seb128> (looking for unassigned bugs which aren't fix commited)
[14:36] <seb128> bug #1836979
[14:36] <seb128> that's incomplete so we can skip until it gets enough info
[14:37] <seb128> bug #1852315
[14:37] <seb128> seems like that one makes sense to track and should be assigned to tseliot_ / security
[14:37] <seb128> tseliot_, you handle it? can you assign the different lines as appropriate?
[14:38] <seb128> and that's it for bionic
[14:38] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[14:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:38] <seb128> desktop section empty
[14:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:38] <seb128> nothing unassigned
[14:38] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[14:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:39] <seb128> bug #1850696
[14:39] <seb128> L_aney nominated it
[14:40] <seb128> I do agree it's annoying, I don't know if I consider it annoy enough to be rls tracked though
[14:40] <seb128> what do others think?
[14:40] <hellsworth> Laney's rational makes sense to me
[14:40] <hellsworth> a regression is bad
[14:40] <Wimpress> I agree.
[14:40] <Wimpress> If we don't track it in ee we may lose it for ff.
[14:41] <oSoMoN> +1
[14:41] <seb128> k, I'm overuled, fine :)
[14:41]  * Trevinho gets it then...
[14:41] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry man!
[14:41] <seb128> Daniel is not around atm, we need to get you more gnome-shell hackers to help in the team
[14:41]  * Trevinho waits for some other upstream to arrive :-D
[14:42] <seb128> next
[14:42] <seb128> bug #1852183
[14:42] <seb128> poor Trevinho
[14:43] <seb128> I consider that one more problematic than the notifications which are only cosmetic
[14:43] <marcustomlinson> right so this is upstream in both mutter and libreoffice it seems
[14:43] <seb128> so if we gave +1 to the previous one I vote +1 for that one
[14:43] <seb128> marcustomlinson, did you test if the mutter mp to prefer the text type was enough to fix the issue in libreoffice?
[14:43] <Trevinho> seb128: is not
[14:44] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I have not
[14:44] <Trevinho> I mean, well. for LO it could be enough in some scenarios
[14:44] <Wimpress> Yep, this one needs rls tracking.
[14:44] <Trevinho> but....
[14:44] <Trevinho> LO is also broken
[14:44] <marcustomlinson> Trevinho said that was not the way to go though
[14:44] <seb128> k, anyway, we shouldn' t discuss technically details
[14:44] <seb128> +1 for nomination
[14:44] <Trevinho> I'+1
[14:44] <oSoMoN> +1 as well
[14:44] <seb128> Trevinho, gets the shell side, marcustomlinson the libreoffice one
[14:44] <marcustomlinson> yeah
[14:44] <seb128> Trevinho, marcustomlinson, k?
[14:44] <seb128> thx
[14:45] <seb128> done
[14:45] <Trevinho> k
[14:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:46] <seb128> same nvidia one we talked about earlier
[14:46] <seb128> the other ones are either owned or incomplete or fix commited
[14:46] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-incoming
[14:46] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[14:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:46] <seb128> the first one is assigned I just forgot to untag, doing that now
[14:46] <seb128> the other 2 we just discussed
[14:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:47] <seb128> that's in shape

[14:47] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:47] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:47] <seb128> L_aney asked me to take care of that one since
[14:47] <seb128> - he's off today
[14:48] <seb128> - asking for volunteer 2 weeks ago didn't get us much tractions
[14:48] <seb128> sooo
[14:48] <hellsworth> i'll volunteer for harfbuzz and pango
[14:49] <seb128> we have some easy MIRs (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess) to file from that list
[14:49] <hellsworth> i haven't done this before so i don't really know what i'm signed up for so i'll ask for hand holding :)
[14:49] <oSoMoN> I haven't sorted out the librsvg one due to lack of time but I'll look into it this week
[14:49] <seb128> I would suggest that as part of sharing the knownledge on how to do MIR, we would ask people who never filed on to volunteer maybe?
[14:50] <seb128> I'm fine helping/working with you to explain the process and get the bugs filed
[14:50] <hellsworth> yep i volunteer
[14:50] <seb128> thx hellsworth!
[14:50] <seb128> need a second one
[14:50] <didrocks> I'm happy to tutor hellsworth on filing a MIR (and do the review at the same time then)
[14:50] <hellsworth> i picked two random ones though
[14:50] <seb128> marcustomlinson, did you ever do one?
[14:50] <marcustomlinson> yes but I'll do another
[14:50] <seb128> k, thanks
[14:50] <hellsworth> sweet! didrocks i'll ping you afterwords on how to get started
[14:50] <didrocks> same for marcustomlinson :)
[14:50] <didrocks> that way, we tackle the reviewing side of MIR-team
[14:51] <seb128> hellsworth, didrocks, bug #1851395
[14:51] <seb128> hellsworth, that's yours then
[14:51] <hellsworth> okey dokey
[14:52] <seb128> thx
[14:52] <seb128> hellsworth, I will help you for harfbuzz/pango, let's have a look together when you want
[14:52] <hellsworth> perfect sounds good
[14:53] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I though we had a second MIR, but the first in the list might go away by demoting emacs components
[14:53] <seb128> if others want to volunteer for something please let me know in /query | /msg
[14:53] <seb128> I will add trello cards and we will find assignees otherwise
[14:54] <seb128> just as a FYI I think fixing issue for "un-owned" components should be a shared effort and asking for volunteers doesn't work great from past cycles experience
[14:54] <seb128> so I'm going to propose we just start doing equal assingement to team members for those items
[14:54] <seb128> but that doesn't need to be discussed/sorted out here&today
[14:55] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:55] <seb128> ok, any other topic?
[14:55] <seb128> one from me, I will start updating the trello for new cycles
[14:55] <didrocks> nothing for me
[14:56] <seb128> adding cards for the work I know about, in one column sorted by importance/priority
[14:56] <seb128> we said in Paris we would try that, so let's see how it goes
[14:56] <Wimpress> seb128: We can work on that together a little later if you lie?
[14:56] <Wimpress> *like
[14:56] <seb128> if you have work you plan to do feel free to card it as well
[14:57] <seb128> Wimpress, sure, let's chat about it after the meeting
[14:57] <seb128> any other topic?
[14:57] <Wimpress> Not right now.
[14:58] <seb128> k, let's wrap then
[14:58] <seb128> thanks team!
[14:58] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 19 14:58:32 2019 UTC.
[14:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-19-14.34.moin.txt
[14:58] <hellsworth> thank you!
[14:58] <Wimpress> Thanks seb128
[14:58] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:13] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: since you helped me take a look at cherrytree, i wonder if you have any thoughts on why theming isn't working: https://github.com/hellsworth/cherrytree
[15:15] <hellsworth> (the add-snap branch)
[15:19] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'm too busy to have a look right now, but I'll see if I can later today
[15:19] <hellsworth> ah ok no problem. if you can't get to it at all that's ok and I'll bug kenvandine :)
[16:01] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: how many snaps have you managed to get working with the gnome-3-34 extension so far?
[16:02] <marcustomlinson> I mean theming working any all
[16:02] <marcustomlinson> *and
[16:02] <hellsworth> all but cherrytree. i haven't had any themeing issues
[16:03] <hellsworth> which makes troubleshooting hard because all of my examples dont' do anything special to make themeing work
[16:03] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2fqq4Jg69R/
[16:03] <marcustomlinson> you only see this ^ on first launch though. you can `rm -rf ~/snap/cherrytree` to simulate again
[16:04] <hellsworth> but snaps working with the gnome-3-34 extension are: evince, calculator, simple-scan
[16:04] <marcustomlinson> I fear there's some clashing going on between gtk2 and gtk3 here
[16:05] <marcustomlinson> like the application is expecting gtk2 symbols and gtk3 is being provided
[16:05] <hellsworth> ah i should have looked more closely at my build output
[16:06] <hellsworth> i could add gtk2 stuff - and no extension - like gimp/glimpse does and see if that looks nicer
[16:07] <marcustomlinson> quite possible yeah
[16:07] <hellsworth> but the cherrytree deb looks nice and seems to use gtk3
[16:07] <hellsworth> so it shouldn't need gtk2
[16:09] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: where do you see that it uses gtk3?
[16:10] <hellsworth> just eyeballing it
[16:10] <hellsworth> i pasted a screenshot in telegram
[16:19] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: I'm almost certain the problem is these: python-gtk2, python-gtksourceview2
[16:19] <hellsworth> hmm
[16:19] <hellsworth> can python2.7 not use gtk3?
[16:20] <hellsworth> i had assumed this was true but maybe not
[16:20] <hellsworth> so yeah i'll try with gimp/glimpse method then
[16:20] <marcustomlinson> can but you'll have some duplicated libs in the snap and platform
[16:24] <hellsworth> yeah makes sense
[16:28] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: it may work just to stage those two packages in gnome-3-34-1804
[16:29] <marcustomlinson> but it's a big _may_
[16:29] <hellsworth> well maybe but that would be a pretty heavy-handed solution, no?
[16:30] <marcustomlinson> if it's what's needed in the platform to support python gtk apps then I'd say necessary
[16:30] <hellsworth> i don't think we should accommodate gtk2 apps with the gnome-3-34 extension though. the apps should move to gtk3. heck, they should be getting ready for gtk4
[16:31] <hellsworth> i mean using the extension is an alternative method of building snaps. they don't have to use it
[16:31] <marcustomlinson> oh sorry
[16:31] <hellsworth> actually, i wonder what is in freedesktop-sdk
[16:31] <marcustomlinson> I read python2-gtk not python-gtk2
[16:31] <marcustomlinson> right, back to the gtk2 problem then
[16:31] <hellsworth> :)
[16:31] <hellsworth> also i think python2.7 is soon to be deprecated
[16:32] <hellsworth> i only wanted to snap cherrytree because i can't live without it :)
[16:32] <hellsworth> so really we shouldn't go out of our way with the extension to support python2.7 or gtk2
[16:33] <marcustomlinson> right, I think we're simply facing a gtk2 app (square shape) trying to use a gtk3 runtime (circle hole)
[16:33] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: thanks for pointing out that it's a gtk2 app so i have something else to try :)
[16:34] <marcustomlinson> it only runs because of the packages you staged
[16:34] <hellsworth> yep
[16:34] <hellsworth> i didn't put two and two together
[16:37] <marcustomlinson> no, you put two and three together
[16:38] <marcustomlinson> ba dum tss!
[16:42] <hellsworth> haha yes good one. i am actually laughing over here :)
[20:40] <seb128> marcustomlinson, turns out libmail-authenticationresults-perl has a depends on another perl component which is currently in universe, so we get to do another one for libscalar-list-utils-perl
[20:40] <seb128> marcustomlinson, can you handle that one?
[20:40] <seb128> marcustomlinson, you can use the one hellsworth just did as an example, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmail-dkim-perl/+bug/1853175
[20:40] <seb128> (not for today, no hurry)
[20:42] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: seb128 i'd like to open that MIR too since it is a cascading issue from the libmail-authenticationresults-perl depends issue.
[20:43] <seb128> hellsworth, sorry I should have asked you first, that sounds good to me!
[20:43] <seb128> marcustomlinson, unping, you get to wait until the next one, lucky you ;)
[20:43] <hellsworth> fyi i'm going to do it later (maybe tomorrow) though since i want to keep on what i'm doing with troubleshooting a snapcraft extension issue
[20:44] <seb128> hellsworth, no hurry, those packages are not blocking any important work and MIR team usually takes some time to do reviews anyway
[20:44] <seb128> so tomorrow/later in the week is fine


[03:09] <mup> PR snapd#13324 opened: tests: fix system-snap-refresh in uc20 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13324>
[06:25] <mup> PR snapd#13325 opened: interfaces/qualcomm_ipc_router: mock required features in test <Simple 😃> <Created by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13325>
[06:55] <mup> PR snapd#13227 closed: snapdtool: check for binary existence in InternalToolPath() <Created by mvo5> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13227>
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#13313 closed: aspects: support boolean type in aspect schemas <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13313>
[12:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#4419 closed: cli: catch craft-provider errors <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4419>
[12:36] <mup> PR snapd#13326 opened: tests: fix snapd-maintenance-msg <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13326>
[14:47] <mup> PR snapd#13327 opened: systemd: Make snapd.apprmor depend on the mount snapd <Run nested> <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13327>
[15:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#4421 opened: build(deps): bump craft-providers to 1.18.0 <Created by syu-w> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4421>
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#13328 opened: aspects: support array type in aspect schemas <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13328>
[16:12] <mup> PR snapd#13326 closed: tests: fix snapd-maintenance-msg <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13326>
[19:03] <mup> PR snapd#13329 opened: tests: fix selinux policy to support change in polkit_agent interface <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13329>