[04:44] <Kilos> hi inetpro  mazal and others
[04:50] <mazal> Môre oom
[04:53] <Padroni> Morning all
[04:53] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[04:53] <Padroni> Start of a long day for me.
[04:53] <Padroni> I'm only off work in 19 hours from now o.O
[04:53] <Kilos> eina
[04:54] <Kilos> can you at least nap in between?
[04:54] <mazal> Morning Padroni
[04:54] <mazal> oom Kilos: How do I tell my Kubuntu to keep my num lock status upon restart ?
[04:55] <Kilos> lol
[04:55] <Kilos> dont you set that when you install
[04:55] <Padroni> Off to play Warthunder for an hour.
[04:56] <Padroni> bbl
[04:56] <mazal> Nevermind , found it
[04:56] <Kilos> ok
[04:57]  * mazal hasn't gamed in a while
[04:57] <mazal> And now I wonder if there is a word gamed
[04:58] <Kilos> yes i think there is
[04:58] <Kilos> Maaz  define gamed
[04:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Game \Game\ (g[=a]m), v. i. [imp. & p. p. {Gamed} (g[=a]md); p. pr. & vb. n. {Gaming}.] [OE. gamen, game?en, to rejoice, AS. gamenian to play. See {Game}, n.] 1. To rejoice; to be pleased; -- often used, in Old English, impersonally with dative. [Obs.] [1913 Webster]  God loved he best with all his whole hearte At alle times, though him gamed or smarte.
[04:58] <Maaz> --Chaucer. [1913 Webster]  2. To play at any sport or diversion. [1913 Webster]  3. To play f…
[04:58] <mazal> It looks weird
[04:59] <mazal> Wow , to "rejoice" .  Maybe you meant hup, Sup, Scup, Soup, Ship, Shop, Shug, Shun, Shut, sup, shtup, scup, soup, ship, shop, shua, shun or shut?
[05:02] <mazal> oh boy
[05:03] <Kilos> hehe
[05:03] <mazal> maaz sup
[05:03] <Maaz> Howzit mazal
[05:04] <mazal> maaz shut it
[05:04] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[05:04] <mazal> lol
[05:04] <mazal> maaz seen bduk
[05:04] <Maaz> mazal: bduk was last seen 13 days, 20 hours, 48 minutes and 28 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-05 00:16:13 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-02-14 10:59:33 PST
[05:04] <mazal> maaz seen bduk1
[05:04] <Maaz> mazal: bduk1 was last seen 12 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-05 22:44:02 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-02-17 09:22:38 PST
[05:05] <mazal> hmm , bduk still hasn't been able to fix his chat I see
[05:06] <Kilos> ai
[05:07] <mazal> Something interesting I see there though , maaz only registers if a user say something. Cos I know bduk was here 2 nights ago , just couldn't say anything
[05:07] <Kilos> thats right
[05:07] <mazal> But he was connected and joined the channel
[05:08] <mazal> We'll probably get it sorted on Monday when he is back
[05:13] <stickyboy> Kilos: Don't you sleep?
[05:13] <Kilos> yes stickyboy  but got work to do at this time
[05:13] <Kilos> unlocking gates etc
[05:17] <stickyboy> Kilos: Ah
[06:26] <Kilos> wb Padroni
[06:28] <Padroni> ty
[06:34] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:34] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:44] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:45] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[06:49] <nlsthzn> o/
[06:49] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  wb lad
[06:49] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos
[06:49] <Kilos> daddy again yet?
[06:49] <superfly> naand mense
[06:49] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:49] <nlsthzn> oh yes :D been a daddy since Thursday and also absent obviously
[06:50] <nlsthzn> daddy again I mean :p
[06:50] <superfly> yay nlsthzn!
[06:50] <nlsthzn> \o/
[06:50] <Kilos> congrats lad boy or girl?
[06:50] <nlsthzn> healthy baby boy :)
[06:50] <Kilos> wonderful
[06:50] <nlsthzn> very grateful and happy ^_^
[06:50] <Kilos> congrats mommy from us all too please
[06:50] <nlsthzn> was a nice firm 4.4kg at birth oo
[06:51] <nlsthzn> *too
[06:51] <Kilos> nice
[06:51] <Kilos> lol ian was 3 lbs 1 ounce
[06:51] <nlsthzn> will let her know when they finally wake-up ... going for almost 4 hours straight which is a nice break from the 2 hour routine zzz
[06:51] <Kilos> good
[06:52] <nlsthzn> 3 lbs... isn't that very low?
[06:52] <Kilos> ya he was 2 months 3 weeks early
[06:53] <nlsthzn> oh wow...
[06:53] <nlsthzn> so glad he went full term... so much easier
[06:53] <Kilos> too nosy, didnt want to stay locked up
[06:53] <Kilos> yeah im happy for you
[06:53] <nlsthzn> this babies names are already causing everyone headaches :P I think he will be having a talk to his mom when he is older...
[06:54] <nlsthzn> Uilleann Bjørn
[06:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:55] <nlsthzn> the ø is a problem cause the PC systems for registrations can't handle it >.< so now his certificate comes out as Bj?rn
[06:55] <Kilos> lol
[06:55] <nlsthzn> name pronounced ilen bjurn
[06:55] <nlsthzn> so not so difficult :p
[06:56] <Kilos> poor child
[06:56] <nlsthzn> true
[06:56] <Kilos> before he was even born you decided to punish him
[06:56] <nlsthzn> baby.. er duty calles :p
[06:57] <nlsthzn> calls :p
[06:57] <nlsthzn> bbl
[06:57] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:01] <Squirm> Morning
[07:01] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:04] <Padroni> congrats nlsthzn
[07:06] <Padroni>  I wonder when people will learn that a legal disclaimer in a mail does not hold up in court?
[07:07] <Padroni> you know that legal disclaimers people put at the end of their mails? Saying if their mail infects your computer with a virus, they are not liable?
[07:07] <Padroni> yeah - that does not hold water.  At all.
[07:07] <Padroni> waste of bits and bytes, to be honest.
[07:27] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:28] <TinuvaMac> hey Kilos
[07:37] <inetpro> Padroni: not only do I wish we could get rid of email disclaimers but HTML emails with fancy signatures irks me to no end as well
[07:37] <inetpro> will we ever get rid of it? unfortunately no
[07:37] <Padroni> nothing wrong with a proper signature, imo
[07:37] <Padroni> I use an image for it though.
[07:38] <Padroni> It's a signature, not a f*cking biography / resume and I think that's the part that puts me off it as well
[07:38] <Padroni> So I agree with you there.
[07:38] <inetpro> plain text is more than good enough for me
[07:38] <inetpro> keep it simple and use it for the purpose of sending a message
[07:42]  * Squirm looks around
[07:42] <inetpro> Squirm: I'm here but you can't see me
[07:42] <nlsthzn> thanks Padroni and hi TinuvaMac inetpro and I think I missed superfly the first time around
[07:43] <Padroni> yw
[07:43] <inetpro> nlsthzn: congratulations!
[07:44] <superfly> Padroni: we have a client whose e-mails have one of those disclaimers
[07:44] <superfly> Padroni: so we get mails that say, "Thanks!"   Hy het alles in wat jy ooit kan nodig kry
[11:26] <mazal> Jacques_Stry: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9196
[11:40] <Jacques_Stry> Got it thanks :)
[11:43] <mazal> Jacques_Stry: Just don't enable the "preload item visuals " setting
[11:44] <Jacques_Stry> I guess it's a end of the world type spell that makes your computer implode on itself, or just makes it lag for a while
[11:45] <mazal> You referring to that setting ?
[11:52] <Pad_away> What is minetest?
[11:52] <Pad_away> If I may ask?
[11:53] <mazal> Pad_away: It's a free alternative to Minecraft
[11:54] <mazal> That's the short answer :)
[11:54] <mazal> Well maintained , actively developed , and a lot of mods
[11:54] <mazal> And seriously addictive :P
[11:55] <mazal> https://forum.minetest.net/index.php
[12:48] <mazal> Bye everyone , God bless
[13:48]  * nlsthzn has an additional copy of minecraft that I accidentally purchased some time ago >.<
[13:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:53] <Kilos> you got too many things on your plate lad
[13:54] <Kilos> i nearly slept the avy away
[14:00] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:00] <nlsthzn> and now I have gone and bought the new (and first) ubuntu phone...
[14:00] <nlsthzn> grrr... impulses
[14:00] <nlsthzn> *sigh*
[14:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> be sure to make some good apps for it too
[14:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> nowadays a smartphone without a decept app market is going nowhere
[14:05]  * nlsthzn isn't a developer... I am hardly an end user
[14:08] <highvoltage> that's ok. that puts you squarely inside the target market of the ubuntu phone ;)
[14:09] <AlphaG> gooie môre
[14:12] <Kilos> aha
[14:13] <Kilos> lol you in japan but speak the taal
[14:14] <Kilos> AlphaG  talking to you
[14:16] <AlphaG> japan?
[14:16] <Kilos> ai!
[14:16] <Kilos> lemme scroll back
[14:17] <Kilos> ryu13212 is now known as Alpha_1.
[14:17] <AlphaG> freenode web irc
[14:17] <Kilos> sorry wrong guy
[14:17] <Kilos> AlphaG  wb
[14:18] <AlphaG> van die kaap
[14:18] <nlsthzn> ... will see if the open source crowd here want to take it off my hands to play with.. if not then I will use it :)
[14:18] <AlphaG> anyone got their hands on an ubuntu phone
[14:24] <superfly> AlphaG: nlsthzn just ordered one...
[14:28] <mazal> Can someone explain to me , Kubuntu , I go to the software updater , run check for updates and it returns " no updates available ". I don't believe it , run apt-get update in cli and it returns a whole stack of updates. Why does this happen that software updater don't see updates apt-get update does ?
[14:31] <Kilos> you didnt reload it mazal
[14:31] <Kilos> reload refresh
[14:31] <mazal> Reload what ? I chose check for updates and it scanned the repos. What else must it reload ?
[14:32] <Kilos> that
[14:32] <mazal> But it did that
[14:32] <mazal> And returned no updates available
[14:32] <Kilos> have you got synaptic
[14:32] <Kilos> works better
[14:32]  * nlsthzn did
[14:33] <mazal> So there is a major problem with software updater on Kubuntu
[14:33] <Kilos> mazal  if you run upgrade what does it show
[14:33] <nlsthzn> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:33] <nlsthzn> :p
[14:33] <Kilos> and use aptitude
[14:33] <nlsthzn> apt-get has supercow powers
[14:33] <mazal> Like I said . apt-get update return and did lots of updates , at least about 25
[14:33] <Kilos> aptitude does the kernel stuff as well
[14:33] <mazal> that worked fine
[14:34] <nlsthzn> and if in doubt also try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to get kernels stuff too :p
[14:34] <nlsthzn> if you need it
[14:34] <nlsthzn> ;)
[14:34] <AlphaG> sudo apt-get an ubuntu phone
[14:34] <Kilos> lol
[14:34] <mazal> nlsthzn: From now on I will defnitely use apt-get only on Kubuntu after what I just saw
[14:35] <nlsthzn> I don't normally have issues with any of the ways to update but terminal makes it less complicated and gives more feedback IMO
[14:35] <nlsthzn> AlphaG, :)
[14:36] <mazal> If it wasn't that I saw on my server's software updater ( Lubuntu ) that there is updates I wouldn't even have known there is according to K's software updater.
[14:37] <Kilos> mazal  you turned it off them
[14:37] <Kilos> you can make it check daily if you like
[14:37] <mazal> You can't trun off a manual check
[14:37] <mazal> I ran a manual check
[14:37] <mazal> And it found zilts
[14:38] <superfly> mazal: I don't know, I've looked for a "reload" or a "update" button, and they don't seem to exist
[14:38] <Kilos> you fiddled in the settings again man
[14:38] <superfly> and on top of that, it's dog slow
[14:38] <superfly> I just use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[14:39] <mazal> superfly: It check automatically when you open it
[14:40] <AlphaG> who are all these ppl here?
[14:40] <AlphaG> ./whois everyone.
[14:41] <Kilos> lol lots of new guys
[14:41] <mazal> superfly: I'll use that way on this , but I always forget the command for kernels
[14:42] <AlphaG> is there an app for ubuntu that allows u to share screen feed of a mobile phone
[14:42] <mazal> The dist-upgrade , I can never remember that one
[14:42] <superfly> mazal: kernels? I don't understand?
[14:42] <mazal> just upgrade doesn't do the kernels
[14:42] <AlphaG> a blackberry screen emulator
[14:42] <superfly> mazal: no, upgrade does kernels
[14:43] <mazal> It never did for me
[14:43] <superfly> mazal: what upgrade doesn't do is pull in new dependencies
[14:43] <superfly> dist-upgrade will pull in new dependencies
[14:43] <mazal> Whenever I do upgrade the kernels doesn't update
[14:44] <mazal> They stay listed in the update notifier
[14:51] <Kilos> wb AlphaG_
[14:51] <AlphaG_> back button sucks
[14:56] <Kilos> my sister has a curve, and always something hassles
[15:00] <arnaudmez> Hi Guys
[15:01] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[15:05] <arnaudmez> A friend of mine have killed hdd of his VM
[15:05] <arnaudmez> almost killed his vmdk
[15:06] <arnaudmez> he's getting error 5: input/output error
[15:06] <arnaudmez> someone to help ?
[15:07] <Kilos> arnaudmez  what system is he running
[15:07] <arnaudmez> VMware ESXi with WinMachine on it
[15:08] <Kilos> i think is has become corrupted
[15:08] <Kilos> has he run virus and malware scans
[15:09] <Kilos> now where is padowan
[15:11] <arnaudmez> De facto, he get that error as soon as he switch the VM back ON
[15:14] <Kilos> arnaudmez  http://www.veeam.com/vmware-esxi-fastscp.html
[15:14] <Kilos> or google De Facto error when booting from VMware ESXi with WinMachine on it
[15:15] <Kilos> maybe they have a forum somewhere or irc channel
[15:18] <Kilos> imo first move is to make a backup
[15:18] <Kilos> or just copy all needed data to another drive
[15:31] <Kilos> ok now i need advice please. does cc in email just send same mail to othjer peeps as well or is there more to it
[15:33] <Kilos> dont all answer at once
[15:36] <arnaudmez> Kilos: thank you so much
[15:36] <Pad_away> Same mail to other peeps
[15:36] <Pad_away> original sender will see the CC's though.
[15:36] <Kilos> did you come right arnaudmez  ?
[15:36] <Pad_away> BCC or blindcc if you don't want original recipient to know others getting mail as well
[15:37] <Kilos> ty padowan
[15:37] <Kilos> im the original cendre but neve used it before
[15:38] <Kilos> sender
[15:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:38] <arnaudmez> Kilos: not yet ... look like the disk have to be checked or something like that
[15:38] <Kilos> arnaudmez  here is an idea you can try
[15:39] <Kilos> first try save the data then boot from ubuntu cd and install testdisk
[15:39] <Kilos> then run testdisk and once its done tell it write
[15:39] <Kilos> takes long time though
[15:39] <arnaudmez> That's a killing method
[15:40] <arnaudmez> the host we are talking about is corp machine and you all know better than me what "governance" means
[15:40] <Pad_away> you may be able to see the CC / BCC if you check headers
[15:41] <arnaudmez> i don't wanna kill that bro of mine with Geek method
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <Kilos> then run antivirus and malware scans on it first
[15:42] <Kilos> anything with win in it is a target for bad things
[15:47] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[15:47] <Tonberry> hi
[15:47]  * Padroni <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:47] <Kilos> Padroni  whats that
[15:48] <Padroni> Tonberry ' s IP
[15:48] <Kilos> hes a good guy
[15:48]  * Padroni powers down the Low Orbit Ion Cannon
[15:48] <Padroni> ok Kilos
[15:48] <Kilos> ty though
[15:49] <Padroni> now what kind of idiot sends a mail to ME and then CC's ME in the mail?
[15:49] <Padroni> *sigh*
[15:49] <Kilos> they want to make sure you get it hehe
[15:50] <Kilos> you gonna be falling off the chair before this shift ends
[15:50] <Padroni> had a huge argument with a client's 'IT guy' yesterday
[15:50] <Kilos> again
[15:50] <Kilos> haha
[15:51] <Padroni> Anyone that calls himself an 'IT guy' is a f*cking twat and will NOT be taken seriously. <-- my new stance on this.
[15:51] <Kilos> neelsie put a mommy baby pic on picpaste.com
[15:53] <Kilos> nlsthzn  not fb or g+ for me
[15:59] <Padroni> going through support tickets now
[15:59] <Padroni> Client mails in : she has a new website up but Google still shows the details of the old site in search results
[15:59] <Padroni> Jnr manager advises client to delete her website
[15:59] <Padroni> DELETE HER WEBSITE FOR A CACHING / INDEXING ISSUE IN GOOGLE.
[16:00] <Padroni> I am telling you - these people leave me speechless sometimes...
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <Kilos> Padroni  just smile and endure it, it will get worse
[16:11] <nlsthzn> Kilos, hang on
[16:11] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn
[16:12] <Kilos> i need to see my chillens chillen
[16:15]  * mazal plots , plans and sceems
[16:25] <Padroni> ok
[16:25] <Padroni> so now when I get spam
[16:25] <Padroni> I check if they have a site
[16:25] <Padroni> then I scan for vuln's on that site
[16:25] <Padroni> and I break it.
[16:26] <Padroni> because tonight, I have time on my hands.
[16:26] <Kilos> yay
[16:27] <Kilos> ty neelsie, so cute
[16:27] <mazal> Padroni: You work for an ISP ?
[16:27] <Padroni> No.  A web hosting company.
[16:27] <Padroni> and some people are dumb enough to send spam to abuse@ which is MY mailbox
[16:28] <Padroni> the funniest is when it's our own clients.
[16:28] <mazal> Sounds like your on a mission tonight :)
[16:28] <Padroni> not really
[16:28] <Padroni> but I do have the time
[16:29] <Padroni> I got 7.5 hours to kill
[16:29] <Padroni> and lots of hack tools to play with.
[16:29] <Padroni> so yeah.
[16:29] <Kilos> time spent wisely saves more time in the future
[16:30] <Padroni> true
[16:31] <Kilos> everything i say is true except when its false
[17:03] <captine> evening alls
[17:03] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:04] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:07] <captine> enjoy
[17:07] <captine> just finishe
[17:21] <Kilos> sjoe tummy full, eyes pulling closed
[17:27] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[17:27] <Kilos> inetpro  warm ne
[17:41] <SDCDev> maggie vol, ogies toe?
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> must be getting old
[17:42] <Kilos> too much work for ballies
[17:42] <SDCDev> :< hehehe try taking 7 weeks off... jeez stamina just goes to shit
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:43] <Kilos> im always off, but still too much work
[17:44] <Kilos> Maaz  seen mage
[17:44] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know who mage is
[17:44] <Kilos> ai!
[17:44] <Kilos> Maaz  seen magespawn
[17:44] <Maaz> Kilos: magespawn was last seen 22 hours, 10 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-18 11:34:07 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-02-18 11:34:28 PST
[17:53] <inetpro> Kilos: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[17:54] <Kilos> sigh
[17:55] <inetpro> you want the phone then follow the guide
[17:55] <Kilos> where is the Community Donations portal [1].
[17:55] <Kilos> did you read your mail
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: did you read the instructions?
[17:55] <Kilos> i cant find that thing man
[17:56] <Kilos> ya ive read me sick
[17:56] <Kilos> i dont want the fone
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: uh
[17:56] <Kilos> well i do as well but that can wait
[17:56] <inetpro> please try again
[17:57] <Kilos> ai!
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: if you don't want the phone then let those who want it apply for themselves
[17:59] <Kilos> ai!
[17:59] <inetpro> or make it a team effort and do a proper funding request as a team
[18:00] <Kilos> yaya thats the way you in my team to get fly a fone
[18:00] <inetpro> ai!
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> is it that fill in a form thing?
[18:12] <magespawn> good evening
[18:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[18:18] <Kilos> so do i have the support of the team or what
[18:20] <mazal> Can someone help me with this problem maybe please :
[18:20] <mazal> I have ubuntu installed on an external hdd
[18:20] <mazal> Boots fine on 2 different pc's , but when trying to boot on my laptop I get this :
[18:21] <captine> kilos, sorry, missed the conversatuion
[18:21] <captine> u wanting to order a phone?
[18:21] <mazal> " Error: attempt to read or write outside of disc 'hd0'
[18:21] <Kilos> nope i want them to give fly one
[18:21] <mazal> "entering rescue mode....
[18:22] <captine> would be nice for him to have one for the debian conf :)
[18:22] <mazal> "grub rescue >_
[18:22] <captine> mazal, what laptop you using?  i have had many many issues with macbooks and booting from externals for linux
[18:22] <Kilos> mazal  what os is on your lappy?
[18:22] <mazal> HP Elitebook 8440p
[18:23] <Kilos> hd0 is the lappy drive
[18:23] <mazal> Laptop's internal has Kubuntu on ( that I am using now )
[18:23] <Kilos> ok then plugin the external and use boot-repair
[18:23] <mazal> When putting external now the OS sees and opens both partitions fine
[18:24] <Kilos> what did you use to install to the external
[18:24] <Kilos> some desktop
[18:24] <mazal> And it boots fine in 2 other machines , so don't think there's something wrong with the drive
[18:24] <mazal> Kilos: Lubuntu
[18:25] <Kilos> if you run sudo update-grub does it see the ext
[18:25] <mazal> Installed from dvd
[18:26] <mazal> Kilos: Must I run that in the current OS I am on now on the internal hdd ?
[18:26] <Kilos> ya from your lappy
[18:27] <mazal> Ok , how will I know if it sees it ?
[18:27] <Kilos> if the ext boot is good then it will say found
[18:27] <mazal> But that will modify internal's grub ?
[18:27] <Kilos> no it will just give you the option to boot from the ext
[18:28] <mazal> It will add the option to boot from external to internal grub menu ?
[18:29] <Kilos> ya
[18:29] <mazal> Hang on , let me give a paste
[18:29] <Kilos> in brub you will see the option
[18:29] <Kilos> grub
[18:30] <mazal> http://bin.snyman.info/6wn29
[18:31] <mazal> That very last line tells me it's sees it on sdb yes ?
[18:31] <Kilos> ok now listen
[18:32] <Kilos> i gotta think a bit
[18:32] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[18:32] <mazal> So now I can reboot , but from internal's grub and that should have the option to boot from that sdb entry ?
[18:33] <Kilos> and where it says grub-timeout thing just put a # at the start of that line
[18:33] <mazal> k hang on
[18:34] <mazal> There's 3 timeout settings
[18:34] <mazal> The one that just say grub-timeout yes ?
[18:34] <Kilos> just has the line that complains
[18:34] <Kilos> Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported
[18:35] <Kilos> hash that 1 line
[18:35] <mazal> hashed it out ( current setting was 10 )
[18:35] <Kilos> then ctrl+o
[18:35] <mazal> done
[18:35] <Kilos> enter an ctrl+x
[18:35] <mazal> done
[18:36] <Kilos> then reboot and you will have the choice to boot from external
[18:36] <mazal> k , rebooting
[18:36] <Kilos> sjoe hope i got that right
[18:42] <captine> :)
[18:42] <captine> I have no idea... dont know the grub commands :)
[18:43] <Padroni>  i have to leave for a minute
[18:43] <Padroni> bbl
[18:43] <mazal> Didn't work oom. The entry is there in grub , but when I select it screen goes blank for 2 seconds and laptop reboots again
[18:47] <Kilos> ok then install boot-repair
[18:47] <Trixar_za> Works great if you can find it
[18:47] <Trixar_za> I think they broke the package for it a bit in favour of it's own LiveCD
[18:48] <Kilos> Maaz  google boot-repair for 14.04
[18:48] <Maaz> Kilos: "[ubuntu] Boot-repair wont install in 14.04? - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2210685 :: "apt - Can't find boot-repair package for the newest version of Ubuntu ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/449818/cant-find-boot-repair-package-for-the-newest-version-of-ubuntu :: "How to install boot repair tool in ubuntu 14.04 live? - Ask
[18:48] <Maaz> Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/489862/how-to-install-boot-repair-tool-in-ubuntu-14-04-…
[18:50] <mazal> I wonder if it's a hardware compatibility issue between the drive and the laptop usb interface
[18:50] <Kilos> Maaz  google How to install boot repair tool in ubuntu 14.04 live
[18:50] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to install boot repair tool in ubuntu 14.04 live? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/489862/how-to-install-boot-repair-tool-in-ubuntu-14-04-live :: "Boot-Repair - Community Help Wiki - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair :: "Grub2/Installing - Community Help Wiki - Official Ubuntu ..."
[18:50] <Maaz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing :: "[ubuntu] Boot-repair wont install in 14.04? - Ubunt…
[18:51] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:57] <mazal> Busy installing boot-repair
[18:57] <mazal> When I run it , should I point it to the internal or external drive ?
[18:59] <Kilos> just let it do its thing for starters
[18:59] <Kilos> default things methinks
[19:02] <mazal> Boot repaired succesfully
[19:02] <mazal> K , lemme reboot and see
[19:02] <Kilos> ok
[19:02] <captine> ok all.  2 ubuntu machines... whats the best way to edit files on the one from the other?  sshfs mount?  nfs?  want to use gui tools on my laptop to edit files on the server machine.
[19:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:05] <mazal> nope , same thing still. Entry is there in grub , but when selected screen goes blank and laptop reboots
[19:05] <Kilos> ai
[19:06] <Kilos> something in lappy not happy
[19:06] <Kilos> oh
[19:06] <mazal> Must be a hardware compatibilty thing me thinks
[19:06] <Kilos> is your bios set to boot from usb
[19:06] <mazal> Yep , that's first thing I checked
[19:07] <Kilos> have you got another external you can try installing to with the lappy
[19:07] <Kilos> one to test with that is
[19:07] <mazal> Not one that I can format no
[19:08] <mazal> I have 4 externals , but all are used
[19:08] <Kilos> and a usb stick
[19:08] <Kilos> 8g should be fine
[19:08] <Kilos> i have 12.04 installed on a 16g stick and boots from anywhere
[19:09] <mazal> I'm suspecting usb3 issue , very heavily suspecting that
[19:09] <mazal> Lappy has usb2 ports
[19:09] <mazal> And the machines it does boot on has usb3 ports
[19:09] <Kilos> maybe
[19:09] <mazal> Might be completely irrelevant though
[19:10] <Kilos> is usb3 backward compatible with usb2
[19:10] <mazal> Usually yes
[19:10] <mazal> But I don't know in that early boot stage if it is
[19:11] <Kilos> what does bios show as options for usb booting
[19:11] <Kilos> mine has 3 different things
[19:11] <mazal> I have "normally" used usb3 drives on usb2 without problems , but that's when a OS is already booted. Just copying data from it etc
[19:11] <Kilos> one is usb-zip
[19:12] <mazal> I have just one option "usb harddrive"
[19:12] <Kilos> i dunno mazal  sorry
[19:12] <mazal> Thanx for trying oom
[19:12] <Kilos> try see what google says
[19:13] <Kilos> someone must have had sam prob
[19:13] <mazal> Will try that
[19:13] <Kilos> if you dont mind working try remove the lappy drive then see if the extyernal boots
[19:14] <Kilos> if not then try install from dvd onto the external
[19:16] <Kilos> wb magespaw1
[19:17] <mazal> Just a bunch of Windoze stuff :(
[19:17] <mazal> On google that is
[19:18] <Kilos> ai!
[19:18] <mazal> Most of them updated BIOS , might work for me too though
[19:18] <Kilos> maybe
[19:18] <mazal> But that , might be tricky
[19:19] <Kilos> that can be quite a job though
[19:19] <mazal> Yeah
[19:19] <mazal> And dangerous
[19:19] <Kilos> easiest way i found was with xp in some bios upgrade tool in it
[19:20] <Kilos> there is also flashrom in ubuntu and an irc channel
[19:20] <Kilos> #flashrom
[19:21] <Kilos> but you gotta be clever to understand them
[19:22] <mazal> I'm not gonna mess with that me thinks
[19:23] <mazal> If I mess up . laptop gone
[19:23] <Kilos> lol they have fixes even for bricked m/boards
[19:24] <Kilos> but its all beyong me
[19:24] <Kilos> beyond
[19:24] <mazal> I'll make another plan
[19:24] <mazal> It's not even gaurenteed to work
[19:25] <inetpro> mazal: you have a smaller USB flash drive?
[19:25] <inetpro> try booting from a smaller drive... as in less than 4GB
[19:25] <inetpro> or smaller than 8GB
[19:26] <mazal> Will that show that's it's a size issue ?
[19:26] <mazal> If it works
[19:27] <mazal> I have my usb stick that my custom live is on
[19:28] <mazal> Ag no ! It's at work grrrrrrrrr
[19:28] <inetpro> an earlier laptop of mine would not boot from anything more than 8GB
[19:28] <inetpro> IIRC
[19:28] <mazal> Will have to test that tomorrow
[19:29] <inetpro> I didn't try this but theoretically I think you should also be able to get away with it by making a smaller boot partition
[19:30] <mazal> I currently don't have a seperate boot
[19:30] <mazal> Just a / and a /data
[19:30] <inetpro> gparted
[19:30] <mazal> Can I do it without formatting the drive ?
[19:31] <inetpro> with gparted you can resize partitions
[19:31] <mazal> 200mb yes ?
[19:32] <inetpro> I'm not saying it will work... but I would try that as an interesting experiment
[19:32] <mazal> Ok , thanx for the tip , going to try it defnitely. But will be tomorrow. Eyes getting a bit tired now. Will let you know if it works
[19:33] <inetpro> mazal: rule #1
[19:33] <inetpro> make backups!!!
[19:34] <mazal> I only have 1 important folder on this drive. And that I backup daily to 2 different places ;)
[19:34] <inetpro> rule #2
[19:34] <inetpro> refer to rule #1
[19:34] <mazal> So I'm good with that :)
[19:35] <mazal> I'm sommer going to do a re-install to it , with seperate /boot
[19:36] <mazal> Man I'm curious now if that going to work , but too tired now hehehe
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well , thanx for the helps.


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[08:51] <acheronuk> reported the emacs fail fyi: LP #1810496
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, we have python3.5 in sync blacklist, and python3.6 has been already autosyncd twice IIRC... what about blacklisting it?
[20:23] <acheronuk> vorlon infinity or anyone else: could we please skiptest qtbase to make it a candidate? The one remaining failing test on uim ppc64el is due to emacs FTBFS, and not in any way due to qtbase
[22:57] <acheronuk> ah, same uim ppc64el fail is affecting qtx11extras-opensource-src as well. that would need skiptest as well if we can do that
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[22:00] <moonchild> need some help with uubuntu
[22:01] <KojiroAK> moonchild~ best ask the question directly.
[22:01] <KojiroAK> You have a better chance of getting an answer.


[10:43] <daftykins> gooood morn!
[10:49] <zxmpi> happy morninginging
[10:50] <daftykins> ah har a youtuber who lives up near Birmingham fancies taking on the challenge of my pal's previously firey graphics card
[10:50] <daftykins> could be a bit of fun to watch a repair livestreamed of an item i've dealt with - at least as a go-between
[10:51] <zxmpi> bonus points if he does it in a wooden pc case :-P
[10:52] <daftykins> hehe
[10:52] <daftykins> "ooh authentic self wood burning"
[10:52] <zxmpi> only next were mad enough to use magnesiu cases :-)
[10:53] <daftykins> comes with a free pair of sunglasses
[10:53] <zxmpi> and asbestos gloves
[11:00] <daftykins> back to the folks with the upgraded broadband to terminate some network cables and pop in more of the Ubiquiti WiFi access points today
[11:01] <daftykins> left the client with the fun of laying cable, since he's a builder who built the place :D
[11:01] <daftykins> no-one better to know all the possible routes!
[11:02] <zxmpi> remember, no cycling uphill
[11:03] <daftykins> haha yeah, in fact i was just checking out the lazy options to get there
[11:03] <daftykins> pharmacy was full at the end of the day yesterday, so i have to go and pick up that prescription in the next hour really
[11:04] <zxmpi> no looking at unboxing psion videos till then :-P
[11:13] <daftykins> i still haven't done a thing about shipping mine off to RMC, besides possibly earmarking a box to use
[11:14] <zxmpi> i haven't connected mine to pc other than to transfer files. batteries put in end of april still going with 20 hours of use :-)
[11:14] <daftykins> hehe
[11:15] <zxmpi> numbers that make even my nokia go wow
[11:15] <daftykins> i was thinking of leaving a test doc with a message on it, the brand new backup battery should keep that ticking until whenever he unboxed it, but he could take months to getting around to a video
[11:15] <zxmpi> the cr2032 battery should hold the ram for 6 months iirc. but never tested it
[11:15] <daftykins> if it was even deemed worthy (surely it is...)
[11:16] <daftykins> ooh it wasn't such a common battery :D
[11:18] <zxmpi> plus of course it also has a capacitor that will hold the ram for a few minutes which i only found out about when i changed the primary and backup batteries at the same time and found all my data was safe
[11:21] <daftykins> funky
[11:22] <daftykins> hrmm mine seems a lot worse now, the casing is marking my hands grey - and the hinge on one side has now totally let go of the entire screen assembly
[11:22] <daftykins> opening and closing is a gamble
[11:23] <daftykins> i kinda spun the backup battery in the holder to read the CR1620 label, then i had to use the AC adapter as the batteries must be flat (they weren't even charged iirc) it warned me both sets needed replacing
[11:23] <daftykins> and all data was gone
[11:25] <daftykins> ah well, no time to check her out now
[22:39] <daftykins> who wants a kitten update?! https://youtu.be/Tm00f6fOBig
[22:40] <zxmpi> +++breaking mews+++
[22:41] <daftykins> xD
[22:55]  * m0nkey_ clicks for kitties
[22:55] <m0nkey_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IdmdXPtc/20210807_190822.jpg
[22:55] <m0nkey_> My kitty
[22:56] <daftykins> :D
[23:51] <diddledani> omg, unsolicited kitpic!
[23:51] <diddledani> <3
[23:51] <daftykins> :D
[23:52] <diddledani> at least is wasn't a duckpic
[23:52] <daftykins> yeah you can get in trouble for those
[23:53] <zxmpi> =^..^=
[23:53] <daftykins> good fun using both hands to set off the purr monsters in tandem
[23:54] <diddledani> wow. that's shocking behaviour. I wasn't even aware dual-purr was even allowed!
[23:54] <daftykins> you have to get a license, yeah
[23:55] <daftykins> the test is purrty strict
[23:59] <m0nkey_> unsolicited duck pic https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/R71w36ua/duck.jpg


[00:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#2738 opened: mypy: add coverage to tests <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2738>
[05:57] <zyga> Good morning
[07:02] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:32] <zyga> re
[07:32] <zyga> sorry, baby watch duty
[07:32] <zyga> back now
[07:33] <zyga> hey pawel, good morning :)
[07:54] <mup> PR snapd#7532 closed: interfaces/openvswitch: allow access to other openvswitch sockets <Created by dosaboy> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7532>
[09:24] <mup> PR snapd#7549 opened: cmd/libsnap: use cgroup.procs instead of tasks <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7549>
[09:53] <zyga> settle not converging https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qfxvW2Qh/
[09:53] <zyga> pedronis: can we change settle for tests so that it has no timeout
[09:54] <zyga> and instead it just does more as long as a handler ran
[09:54] <zyga> I think it's incredibly fragile that our *unit* test suite is riddled with millisecond quantities
[09:54] <zyga> this is now blocking 2.42 release to opensuse
[09:56] <pedronis> zyga: it's not that simple because we do have retries
[09:56] <zyga> it's fine if a test fails forever
[09:56] <Chipaca> zyga: how are you running the unit tests on opensuse?
[09:56] <zyga> as in, code us buggy
[09:56] <zyga> and loops forever
[09:56] <zyga> go's test stack catches that
[09:56] <zyga> I think the only problem would be tests that want to see failure
[09:57] <pedronis> zyga: you say that because you haven't had to debug that
[09:57] <zyga> pedronis: I have to debug this :)
[09:57] <zyga> pedronis: I think it is not a unit tests if it has timing-sensitive concurrent operation
[09:57] <zyga> Chipaca: go test
[09:57] <pedronis> anyway, as I said is not that simple
[09:57] <zyga> Chipaca: same as anywhere
[09:57] <zyga> pedronis: nothing is simple, what we have is just broken randomly
[09:57] <Chipaca> zyga: try 'go test -short'
[09:57] <zyga> pedronis: I want to get to deterministic
[09:57] <Chipaca> zyga: those are more likely to be unit tests
[09:58] <zyga> Chipaca: I don't see how this is a solution, should we switch to "go test -short" for all unit tests across distributions?
[09:58] <pedronis> zyga: there is nothing that prevent us to use long settle on traviss
[09:59] <Chipaca> zyga: do you want solutions, or do you want to vent?
[09:59] <zyga> Chipaca: I want solutions, this is not one IMO
[09:59] <zyga> pedronis: is there a place where we cannot?
[10:00] <pedronis> it's a timeout is set low just to fail fast locally
[10:00] <Chipaca> AIUI it's not about travis, is it?
[10:00] <zyga> it is not about travis
[10:00] <zyga> it's actually failing on my workstation right now
[10:00] <pedronis> really ?
[10:00] <pedronis> which one
[10:00] <zyga> yes
[10:00]  * Chipaca hands zyga a nickel
[10:00] <zyga> ?
[10:00] <zyga> which test?
[10:00] <pedronis> yes, which test
[10:01] <zyga> mgrsSuite.TestRemodelSwitchToDifferentKernel
[10:01] <pedronis> that is recent and might have a real bug
[10:01] <pedronis> don't know
[10:01] <pedronis> or be too slow
[10:01] <pedronis> to start with
[10:01] <zyga> it has some comments that expand settle time 4 times
[10:01] <zyga> "because buildds are slow"
[10:01] <pedronis> well, the test is problematic
[10:01] <zyga> anyway, since it affects me, I'll look
[10:02] <pedronis> but I haven't looked at details
[10:02] <zyga> pedronis: problematic in which sense?
[10:02] <pedronis> that it might be buggy for real
[10:02] <pedronis> not just slow
[10:02] <zyga> aha
[10:03] <zyga> I'll look
[10:03] <pedronis> anyway consider that Ian made this: https://trello.com/c/foU3iOrs/321-investigate-testremodelswitchtodifferentkernel-failure
[10:03] <zyga> thanks, this is useful!
[10:04] <Chipaca> what is this sorcery
[10:04] <Chipaca> a trello card created before work is done?!?
[10:04]  * Chipaca is so bad at trello
[10:04] <pedronis> it might never get done
[10:04] <pedronis> though
[10:04] <pedronis> upcoming is like that
[10:04] <pedronis> to be fair
[10:14] <mup> PR snapd#7550 opened: spread.yaml: exclude automake cache <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7550>
[10:14] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7550 <- trivial cleanup for build issues
[10:14] <mup> PR #7550: spread.yaml: exclude automake cache <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7550>
[10:16] <zyga> tests failed with "unable to contact the snap store"
[10:16] <zyga> https://status.snapcraft.io/ says all good
[10:27]  * Chipaca breaks all the policy tests and weeps
[10:42] <Chipaca> pedronis: I'm starting to suspect this last change doesn't make sense, but i need to take a break
[10:43] <Chipaca> pedronis: but checking for model before checking rev.Unset means you can't ever remove even a single revision of the model kernel
[11:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: you need to invert the condition
[11:00] <pedronis> of course
[11:01] <pedronis> if not model kernel: can remove     if in use: cannot remove
[11:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: am I making sense, the flow is more complicated with the change (but more consistent)
[11:07] <pedronis> ?
[11:11] <Chipaca> pedronis: currently it's: if !unset { if in_use { bzzzt } else { ok } } else if is_model { bzzt } else { ... }
[11:12] <pedronis> Chipaca: that's not the question, is it?
[11:12] <pedronis> I can try to write it down, but does that make sense
[11:13] <Chipaca> i'm trying to understand what exactly you're proposing
[11:13] <pedronis> Chipaca: I'm not proposing "exactly" anything
[11:13] <pedronis> I don't want to be proposing extact things
[11:14] <pedronis> I can if it helps
[11:15] <pedronis> Chipaca: the essence of the change is:  don't care about revision if the kernel is not the model kernel
[11:15] <pedronis> that's my understanding
[11:17] <Chipaca> do we care about the error, about it being a model kernel?
[11:18] <pedronis> Chipaca: this:  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/bJ6trqPcn3/
[11:19] <pedronis> (not promising it makes sense, it does still pass the tests though)
[11:19] <zyga> can I get a review for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7550
[11:19] <mup> PR #7550: spread.yaml: exclude automake cache <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7550>
[11:19] <zyga> it's a one liner
[11:20] <zyga> and it's green :)
[11:23] <Chipaca> pedronis: I do think that makes sense, although it wasn't obvious to me. But I could blame the painkillers for that, today.
[11:24] <zyga> pstolowski: perhaps you can look
[11:24] <zyga> it's just a cache exclusion from spread.yaml
[11:24] <pedronis> Chipaca: and we want something like this for bases/core too I suspect (if we do the change), well for the other thing using boot.InUse
[11:25] <pedronis> *things
[11:25] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes i'm changing all three
[11:25] <pedronis> Chipaca: thx
[11:25] <pstolowski> zyga: sure
[11:26] <zyga> thanks!
[11:31] <mup> PR snapd#7550 closed: spread.yaml: exclude automake cache <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7550>
[11:32] <zyga> pedronis: thanks!
[11:37]  * zyga goes for lunch
[12:06] <zyga> pedronis: quick question: release app awareness was so far only implemented for strict snaps
[12:06] <zyga> pedronis: but there's nothing that holds us to this design, should we expand it to cover classic confinement?
[12:07] <pedronis> zyga: I don't even remember why?
[12:07] <zyga> why yes or why not?
[12:07] <pedronis> why we didn't cover classic?
[12:07] <pedronis> I'm just not sure it was a design
[12:07] <zyga> because the code adding tracking was in close proximity to other "strict" setup logic
[12:07] <zyga> but I think it's not meant to be this way
[12:07] <zyga> it feels like we didn't notice
[12:07] <pedronis> yea, that's not a design
[12:07] <pedronis> it's a bug
[12:07] <zyga> I added a todo for it
[12:07] <zyga> yeah, thanks for confirming that
[12:08] <zyga> I'll untangle that
[12:35] <cmatsuoka> cachio: seen this in tests? dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:443: connect: connection refused
[12:42] <cachio> cmatsuoka, hi let me check
[12:48] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I can't see that, do yoiu have a log?
[12:50] <cmatsuoka> cachio: yes, https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/592790683/log.txt
[12:50] <cmatsuoka> cachio: look for connection refused
[12:52] <cachio> cmatsuoka, seems to be related to the store, let me talk to them
[13:01] <zyga> one sec
[13:01] <pedronis> cachio: zyga: standup?
[13:22] <sergiusens> blake_r (in case it was not answered, seems not) if maas-cli plugs into a slot in maas, then installing maas-cli would pull in the default provider but installing maas alone would not pull in every snap declaring a plug for it (I suspect that is how this is how these two snaps interact)
[13:24] <Mirv> oSoMoN: is the chromium vaapi work mentioned in https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/monday-21st-january-2019/9434/8 now merged in normal chromium snaps?
[13:26] <blake_r> sergiusens: its the other way
[13:27] <blake_r> sergiusens: "maas" plugs into "maas-cli", so installing "maas" will install "maas-cli", correct?
[13:31] <Mirv> oSoMoN: at least I'm getting somewhat lower CPU use with snap versus native package of my distro (same video, full screen, drop from 30-40% to 20-30%). hmm, if only there was a way to query directly whether VAAPI is currently being used by software.
[13:33] <sergiusens> blake_r if you declare a default provider, yes
[13:33] <roadmr> ohhh so snapd can now resolve dependencies? snapian.io here we gooooo 💪
[13:33] <sergiusens> /snap/gnome-calculator/current/meta/snap.yaml can be used for insipiration
[13:34] <sergiusens> it can try and satisfy interfaces
[13:37] <zyga> oh, I forgot to mention one thing
[13:37] <zyga> over weekend (I realize that's a late recollection) I played with a static analyzer
[13:37] <oSoMoN> Mirv, no it's not, but thanks for asking, it had slipped off my radar, I will test again and if everything still works I'll merge it
[13:37] <zyga> while somewhat fiddly to setup I found the results useful
[13:37] <zyga> it's not coverity
[13:41] <Mirv> ok, thanks oSoMoN! and it seems intel_gpu_top is a good tool to check whether video hardware is being used - I can see a clear distinction between eg a browser and mpv
[14:01] <Chipaca> "Kindly correct this anomaly."
[14:01]  * Chipaca hmms
[14:02] <roadmr> Chipaca: well at least they asked nicely, right? 🤷
[14:02] <Chipaca> true, true
[14:09]  * diddledan blows up the anomoly with a photon torpedo and some inversed polarities
[14:10] <diddledan> a tachyon beam is probably worth while, too
[14:10] <Chipaca> diddledan: just don't cross the tachyon beams, or sth
[14:11] <diddledan> and make sure you're travelling faster than 88 jiggerwatts
[14:50]  * zyga is tired, needs a break/nap
[14:50] <zyga> also, my daughter is 11 today
[14:50] <zyga> so perhaps time to EOD
[14:51] <roadmr> zyga: congrats to her! 🎂
[14:51] <zyga> roadmr: thank you :)
[14:51] <zyga> I'll let her know
[14:52] <zyga> store still wonky
[14:52] <zyga> yeah, I'll take a nap now
[14:52] <zyga> ttyl
[14:58]  * Chipaca sharpens his hunting knife an goes for a cuppa
[15:06] <mup> PR snapd#7551 opened: tests: fix the how the systemd-journald.service is restarted during the prepare <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7551>
[15:12]  * cachio lunch
[15:49] <ackk> sergiusens, hi, any chance https://github.com/sergiusens/snapcraft-preload/pull/37 could be merged?
[15:49] <mup> PR sergiusens/snapcraft-preload#37: add option to only redirect paths for /dev/shm/* <Created by albertodonato> <https://github.com/sergiusens/snapcraft-preload/pull/37>
[16:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#2736 closed: cli: prompt for login if required <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2736>
[16:20] <ondra> sergiusens how do I create app in snap calling "pkill" which I have access to from 'process-control' without actually shipping pkill in my snap?
[16:22] <ondra> sergiusens I know I can do wrapper script, but I wonder is there is way to do it without wrapper script
[16:23] <ondra> sergiusens I guess even is snapcraft allows it. snapd will probably refuse it?
[16:30] <sergiusens> ondra snapd for some reason does not allow command entries that start with / even though it allows it in shebangs (or wrappers), so all your enquiries are for the snapd team
[16:31] <ondra> sergiusens yep I realised so
[16:37] <mup> PR snapd#7552 opened: tests: add new option "invert" to retry-tool <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7552>
[17:40] <zyga> zxre
[17:40] <zyga> re
[17:40] <zyga> hey ondra
[17:40] <zyga> how are you doing
[17:40] <zyga> the nap worked, I feel so much better now
[17:45] <Chipaca> zyga: go sing happy birthday
[17:45] <zyga> Chipaca: we did that already
[17:46] <zyga> I prefer to avoid granpas and grammas that had some event-booze
[17:46] <zyga> kids are off upstairs already
[17:46] <zyga> I'm here to ...
[17:46] <zyga> merge this https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7421
[17:46] <mup> PR #7421: cmd/snap-confine: unmount /writable from snap view <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7421>
[17:46] <zyga> whee :)
[17:47] <zyga> now what's the state of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pulls/zyga
[17:47] <mup> PR snapd#7421 closed: cmd/snap-confine: unmount /writable from snap view <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7421>
[17:51] <zyga> dire :)
[17:51] <zyga> maybe I should go and have cake instead
[17:51] <zyga> ;-)
[17:58] <zyga> Chipaca: are you still working?
[17:58] <Chipaca> no
[17:58] <Chipaca> i retired
[19:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#2738 closed: mypy: add coverage to tests <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2738>
[20:10] <pokk> When trying to rsync to a newly created ubuntu core instance I get a "Permission denied" from mkdir. I'm guessing it's an apparmor thing. Is there any good reading on this?
[20:22] <joedborg> hi all, i'm seeing an issue where my snap isn't building on the snapcraft.io servers, but builds fine locally (with the command given from the site)
[20:22] <joedborg> HEAD is now at 2bd9643cee Add/Update CHANGELOG-1.16.md for v1.16.0-rc.2.
[20:22] <joedborg> +++ [1003 19:50:48] Building go targets for linux/amd64:
[20:22] <joedborg>     ./vendor/k8s.io/code-generator/cmd/deepcopy-gen
[20:22] <joedborg> find: ‘rsync’: No such file or directory
[20:22] <joedborg> find: ‘rsync’: No such file or directory
[20:22] <joedborg> ./hack/run-in-gopath.sh: line 33: _output/bin/deepcopy-gen: Permission denied
[20:22] <joedborg> make[1]: *** [gen_deepcopy] Error 1
[20:22] <joedborg> Makefile.generated_files:152: recipe for target 'gen_deepcopy' failed
[20:22] <joedborg> Makefile:559: recipe for target 'generated_files' failed
[20:22] <joedborg> make: *** [generated_files] Error 2
[20:22] <joedborg> Failed to run 'override-build': Exit code was 2.
[20:22] <joedborg> ^ sorry, I meant to send that as a snippet
[20:22] <sergiusens> ijohnson are you around? Maybe you can answer https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/permissions-problem-using-snapcraft-in-azure-pipelines/13258/5
[20:23] <sergiusens> joedborg add rsync to build-packages
[20:23] <sergiusens> if using multipass, this should be addressed soon.
[20:23] <sergiusens> if using --use-lxd, it will take a bit longer
[20:23] <joedborg> sergiusens: locally, it works fine with both multipass and lxd
[20:23] <joedborg> it's only on the snapcraft io servers that it fails
[20:24] <sergiusens> we are moving to the common denominator for building, and that is the same env used by the builders
[20:24] <sergiusens> joedborg yeah, build servers are more minimal than minimal and we are going to be aligning with that
[20:25] <joedborg> sergiusens: okay thanks, I'll try now with adding rsync to build-packages
[20:36] <Chipaca> pokk: what are you rsync'ing?
[20:36] <Chipaca> pokk: joedborg: are you looking at the same issue, or is it a coincidence?
[20:37] <joedborg> Chipaca: mines to do with buildign only
[20:37] <Chipaca> joedborg: ok :)
[20:37] <Chipaca> strange coincidence then
[20:38] <joedborg> looks like it :)
[20:38] <Chipaca> pokk: 'trying to rsync a newly created ubuntu core instance' sounds like a fascinating exploration of a terribly bad idea, but do tell me more
[20:41] <roadmr> Chipaca: he did say "trying to rsync *to* a newly created" :P
[20:42] <Chipaca> roadmr: s/he/they/
[20:42] <Chipaca> roadmr: and, curiouser and curiouser
[21:06] <joedborg> working now thanks sergiusens !
[21:29] <mup> PR snapd#7553 opened: cmd/snap: update 'snap find' help because it's no longer narrow <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7553>
[22:07] <mup> PR snapd#7554 opened: recovery: update fde-utils calls <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7554>
[23:00] <mup> PR core-build#54 opened: initramfs: update unlock keyfile parameter <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/core-build/pull/54>
[23:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#2734 closed: SnapcraftError refactoring <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2734>


[12:35] <mpt> czajkowski, if I hit "Submit Bug Report" on this Launchpad bug, do I have to give those Easter eggs back?
[12:36] <mpt> oops, too late
[12:38] <czajkowski> mpt: I can be nice you know no more eggs for you mister!
[12:39] <mpt> It's a regression, but a trivial one
[12:43] <czajkowski> nods
[12:43] <czajkowski> all bugs are trivial if yuo have enough people working on them
[12:43] <czajkowski> :)
[12:43] <czajkowski> we have two
[12:45] <jelmer> just two bugs? must not be hard then
[12:47] <czajkowski> jelmer: \o/
[12:48] <czajkowski> jelmer: ging to give a talk tomorrow, have lots of foods, hping people turn up
[12:48] <czajkowski> 67 people signed up but you know not everyone turns up :/
[12:48] <czajkowski> so a little worried
[12:48]  * jelmer will be there :)
[12:49] <czajkowski> \o/
[12:49] <jelmer> czajkowski: what's your usual experience with the ratio of people who sign up vs how many actually come?
[12:50] <czajkowski> litle over half
[12:50] <czajkowski> and that'd be good as the first one I've run in the UK tbh
[12:50] <czajkowski> loads of space to hack on on stuff and I do have people already wanting to give talks which is good
[12:52] <czajkowski> and xnox is also coming along :D
[13:15] <cjwatson> wgrant: I needed to upgrade mawson for QA, and there was a fairly substantial diff there including a merge of lp:~wgrant/launchpad/renovate-deathrow.  I saved the diff in ~launchpad/diff-20130308 and reverted it.
[16:02] <wgrant> cjwatson: Oops, thanks.
[16:03]  * czajkowski peers at wgrant
[16:03] <czajkowski> why are you here at this hour
[16:03] <czajkowski> nothing is broken


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[00:15] <effiejayx> bkerensa, thanks :)
[07:59] <uros1> hello people and greetings from Serbia LoCo team
[07:59] <uros1> we are making some material for next release and we need official logo for 12.10
[08:00] <uros1> can anybody point me where to find it?
[08:00] <Geochr> Good morning from Greece...
[08:01] <uros1> Hi Geochr
[09:26] <czajkowski> uros1: hi
[09:26] <czajkowski> uros1: let me ask
[09:27] <uros1> i`m here
[09:27] <czajkowski> Geochr: hiya how's things?
[09:27] <czajkowski> uros1: I've asked wlsewhere will reply when I have an answer
[09:27] <uros1> me to, still waiting
[09:27] <uros1> :)
[09:28] <czajkowski> will be a while
[09:28] <uros1> ok, we have strong deadline with print shop, so if we waiting too long, we must to change concept
[09:45] <Geochr> czajkowski, evething good...The sun is in the same place!
[10:48] <Geochr> !lococouncil , or someone else, Do you know what happend with LoCo's CD's ? We are just two weeks before release 12.10 and we have see any announcement to fill the form yet.
[10:48] <ubot2> Geochr: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[10:48] <locodir-user> hallow
[10:48] <czajkowski> Geochr: no not yet waiting to hear from jono about this
[10:49] <locodir-user> jono
[10:50] <locodir-user> info
[10:51] <Geochr> where is the problem ?
[10:51] <czajkowski> what problem ?
[10:51] <Geochr> with the date
[10:53] <czajkowski> it's not a problem it's just not been annouced yet and we need to hear from jono about it
[10:54] <Geochr> I think that we will receive the cd's delayed
[10:54] <Geochr> but ok we are waiting Jono
[10:55] <czajkowski> well no
[10:55] <czajkowski> we never get them before the release
[10:55] <czajkowski> about 2 weeks after is usual
[10:55] <czajkowski> so it's not an issue really
[10:59] <Geochr> yes we usually receive the cd's 1-2 weeks after release. But now we haven't fill the form yet. That's my thought.
[11:03] <czajkowski> Geochr: yes I can appreicate that but there is nothign we can do till we hear from canonical about this
[11:04] <Geochr> i undestand...
[13:17] <Neo31> hello
[13:17] <Neo31> who manages ubuntu loco teams mailing lists please ?
[13:18] <Neo31> I have a problem on ubuntu-tn mailing list
[13:18] <Neo31> the mailing list is resending olg emails from ahmed at mail dot sghaier dot com
[13:19] <Neo31> old*
[13:21] <czajkowski> bah
[13:21] <czajkowski> they went
[13:34] <Geochr> you are late for 3'
[13:34] <Geochr> :P
[13:34] <czajkowski> eh?
[20:36] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting
[21:05] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: the page is incomplete, the wiki page UbuntuEuropeCluster does not exist
[21:06] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: thats just the wiki automatically linking
[21:07] <bkerensa> The process is under "How to get hosting space"
[21:09] <toddy> I have deleted the UbuntuEuropeCluster Wikipage a few month ago, course the Cluster Don't exists anymore, JoseeAntonioR + bkerensa
[21:09] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, thanks for the info, toddy
[21:10] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: Plus they prefer locos on shared hosting
[21:10] <bkerensa> most are on Dreamhost or Datahop
[21:11] <JoseeAntonioR> what do you mean?
[21:11] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, they offer website hosting with drupal, but we've got a page and another system we'd like to implement, so basically drupal is not enough
[22:45] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: no they offer a shared hosting account you can do what you need with it
[22:45] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: hmm, ok
[22:46] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: many locos just get there own webhosting though
[22:46] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, it's kind for u-pe as we haven't got enough funds for it
[22:46] <JoseeAntonioR> s/kind/hard
[22:46] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: whats up?
[22:46] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: well if you put in the request they can get you hosting
[22:46] <JoseeAntonioR> czajkowski: wanted to know how the hosting solution for locos work
[22:47] <JoseeAntonioR> because long time ago it was just a drupal template
[22:47] <JoseeAntonioR> and now we've got a webpage + a Q&A system
[22:47] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: sure, will see what I can do after some emails
[22:47] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: so some tems have a complex set up you might like to talk to milo from italian loco
[22:48] <czajkowski> it's complex and all hosted by canonical
[22:48] <czajkowski> others have basic drupal hosting and are fine with that
[22:48] <czajkowski> it does depend, the italian loco has done a lot of the leg work and had their own developers working on it
[22:49] <czajkowski> if you file a rt @ ubuntu.com with your queries and information they can deal with it
[22:49] <czajkowski> best to ask people who are behind it for the correct information.
[22:49] <bkerensa> Ubuntu It uses Drupal
[22:50] <bkerensa> Durpal is just as extensible as Wordpress or any other CMS platform
[22:50] <czajkowski> bkerensa: as i said best to ask IS what they can and cannot do as they will have the facts.
[22:51] <bkerensa> czajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting
[22:52] <czajkowski> yes I can read a wiki bkerensa well also
[22:52] <czajkowski> but I also know working wiht the IS team things can be worked with and advice and help given.


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[14:46] <lunazest> any MIR meeting today or are Canonical people still on vacation?
[15:03] <sil2100> I'm worried many people might still be off today
[15:05] <lunazest> alright
[15:05] <lunazest> idle around and sees if someone shows up