[00:48] <FireRabbit> What code in Ubiquity causes it to auto-advance if all questions for a page are answered?
[00:48] <FireRabbit> I'm having trouble understanding the structure
[02:23] <StevenK> FireRabbit: It's called preseeding
[02:27] <FireRabbit> StevenK: Yes I know, I'm wondering what actually causes the UI to advance
[03:12] <superm1> FireRabbit, see ubiquity/ubiquity/debconffilter.py.  search for the reference to UBIQUITY_AUTOMATIC
[03:13] <superm1> and similar references in gtk_ui.py
[03:15] <superm1> in gtk_ui, the dbfilter gets started at the beginning of a page.  if all of the questions get answered by debconffilter, the page gets advanced
[03:15] <superm1> (more or less)
[08:52] <xivulon> hi davmor2
[08:53] <davmor2> hello
[08:53] <xivulon> missed part of the conversation yesterday, but followed up on the logs
[08:53] <davmor2> xivulon: didn't have time to get the logs last night in the end so I'm about to get them now
[08:53] <xivulon> so 'missing L', I think I didn't get that
[08:54] <xivulon> was the error about formatting the swap file?
[08:54] <davmor2> there is xivuon and xivulon :)  one missing L
[08:54] <xivulon> ah :)
[08:55] <xivulon> as for the swap that seems to be an old issue, due to fragmentation
[08:55] <xivulon> I believe that only happens on vfat these days
[08:56] <xivulon> try to defragment c:\ubuntu\disks\swap.disk with jkdefrag or similar before rebooting
[08:57] <davmor2> xivulon: will do
[09:58] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: it may be easier to think of it the other way round - the way it works is that the page is advanced *unless* an unanswered debconf question causes it to stop and wait for input
[10:32] <evand1> shtylman: Just a heads up, I imagine you'll want to subscribe to and mark yourself as participation essential for https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-ubiquity
[16:06] <shtylman> evand1: thanks...will do :)
[16:39] <superm1> evand1, it looks like https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-karmic?searchtext=ubiquity is a bit light as compared to last couple UDS'. are you having less ubiquity sessions, or just haven't registered more specs yet?
[16:41] <evand1> less sessions.  Desktop experience has been looking at ubiquity and I'm fearful that they'll give us more than enough to do in 9.10
[16:41] <evand1> but if you have something you want to cover / discuss, please feel free to register it and propose it
[16:42] <cr3> does the preseed support: d-i apt-setup/proposed boolean true
[16:56] <cjwatson> yes
[17:00] <FireRabbit> superm1: cjwatson: I'll take a look when I get back into the office in about 45 mins. Basically I'm trying to figure out exactly what I need to preseed for each page. Other than timezone, I don't want any other pages to be displayed. I've managed to hide language and keyboard, but not the partition manager so far.
[17:00] <FireRabbit> also, the language select comes back if ubiquity is canceled and then run a second time
[17:01] <cr3> what is the "mirror/suite"? if this is where I should specify the series, ie "karmic", how does this work if it's commented out by default?
[17:02] <cjwatson> cr3: you shouldn't set mirror/suite at all; just use the installer matching the release you want to install
[17:02] <cjwatson> it's only there to simplify code delta from Debian
[17:04] <cr3> cjwatson: excellent, thanks
[17:06] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: the installation guide is probably the best reference - you need to preseed partman-auto/method and partman-auto/disk at minimum but there are a few others
[17:06] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html#preseed-partman
[17:10] <superm1> cjwatson, is that  "X configuration" still valid?  I thought the postinst for xserver-xorg didn't allow for most of those options in more current releases
[17:11] <cjwatson> superm1: yeah, it's entirely possible some of it is obsolete, I haven't rechecked it in a while
[17:14] <FireRabbit> cjwatson: okay thanks
[17:16] <FireRabbit> also I was wondering, what prevents the livecd 'ubuntu' user from being copied to the installed system if the entire fs is copied over?
[17:19] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: we copy the read-only squashfs rather than the running live session - the 'ubuntu' user is added only at boot time, so isn't in the squashfs
[17:19] <FireRabbit> ahh ok
[17:20] <FireRabbit> I saw the casper code for that but didnt put the pieces together, thanks
[18:23] <FireRabbit> cjwatson: do you know why the language page comes up the second time ubiquity is run? is that a bug?
[18:26] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: it's very difficult to come up with a consistent set of semantics for what should happen when you rerun ubiquity in automated mode
[18:27] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: I more or less reckon that behaviour on the second run is not very well-defined
[18:27] <FireRabbit> okay fair enough
[18:27] <cjwatson> (or even in non-automated mode, come to that ...)
[18:27] <cjwatson> there's a conflict between "this question is already answered, just use the answer" and "well, hey, the user ran ubiquity a second time, maybe there was a reason for that"
[18:28] <cjwatson> that's pretty much why automated mode exists, as an override to say "use all existing answers"
[18:29] <FireRabbit> ok, in the case of what im doing it wont be possible to cancel ubiqutiy / re-run it.. i was just wondering because it was confusing while trying to test preseed options
[18:52] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: when you rerun, are you using the --automatic option?
[18:52] <FireRabbit> cjwatson: yes
[18:53] <cjwatson> ok, just checking
[18:53] <cjwatson> yes, I think it would involve less fighting to boot afresh each time, sorry
[18:53] <FireRabbit> okay that's good to know, thanks
[18:54] <cjwatson> that said, please do file a bug report about the fact that the language screen shows up again the second time
[18:54] <FireRabbit> okay
[18:54] <cjwatson> it's probably due to the slightly odd way localechooser's innards work, and I'm not promising we can fix it easily, but it is a bug that it shows up like that in automatic mode
[18:56] <FireRabbit> it'll be good to have the behavor documented in launchpad at least, might save someone else some head banging :)
[18:56] <cjwatson> for those who read through all 700 bugs? :-)
[18:57] <FireRabbit> okay good point :)
[19:01] <FireRabbit> so i set 'd-i passwd/make-user boolean false' but its still showing the account setup page, do i need to specify blank values for all the other fields too?
[20:22] <shtylman> evand1: https://code.launchpad.net/~shtylman/ubiquity/reorg <-- initial file reorganization, no install updates or source fixes...
[20:35] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: it'll only allow passwd/make-user to be set to false if passwd/root-login is set to true; the installer doesn't like to create a system with no valid logins
[20:36] <cjwatson> shtylman: I'd really rather that all that stuff weren't moved under ubuntu-installer/
[20:37] <shtylman> cjwatson: where would you recommend it to go? higher level directory?
[20:37] <cjwatson> isn't the point of merging to try to get everything into common code?
[20:37] <cjwatson> I don't think it should involve everything moving down a directory level ...
[20:38] <shtylman> lib/ubuntu-installer is really the common codebase
[20:38] <shtylman> I havn't thought too much about merging the base wizard files
[20:38] <cjwatson> I would prefer the current ubiquity directory structure to be largely preserved
[20:39] <cjwatson> possibly with the top ubiquity directory renamed to lib
[20:39] <cjwatson> and then oem-config's files to be interspersed
[20:39] <shtylman> I see... the reason I did the ubuntu-installer move is because everything else seemed to be related to d-i
[20:39] <shtylman> but that could be my lack of understanding
[20:39] <cjwatson> not really
[20:40] <cjwatson> but in any case I'd rather not artificially separate things like that
[20:40] <shtylman> oh and the oem-config dir under ubuntu-installer shouldn't be there
[20:40] <cjwatson> everything directly related to d-i is already reasonably well demarcated
[20:40] <shtylman> k
[20:40] <shtylman> some of the directories I havn't cleaned up yet after moving things around..
[20:41] <cjwatson> sorry, I know it's annoying, but I'd really prefer you started again without all this heavy directory reorganisation - just because it's going to make history very confusing
[20:41] <shtylman> so you would prefer the doc, desktop, lib, and share directories to be one level higher?
[20:42] <cjwatson> I'd prefer the existing directory structure
[20:42] <shtylman> cjwatson: oh..thats not a problem...I will do that
[20:42] <shtylman> cjwatson: yea...that would be like before...excpet I think I would move pixmaps/gui into shared
[20:42] <shtylman> *share
[20:42] <cjwatson> I'm curious - why?
[20:43] <shtylman> (my thinking was it better represents where they lie on disk) ?
[20:43] <shtylman> buy maybe not..
[20:43] <shtylman> *but
[20:43] <cjwatson> I know that's how the target filesystem is laid out, but usually it's better for the source tree to reflect development
[20:43] <shtylman> k
[20:43] <cjwatson> it'd be pretty unusual to edit pixmaps and gui at the same time
[20:43] <shtylman> true
[20:43] <cjwatson> they're really just both in /usr/share due to the demands of the FHS - which are fine for a user filesystem, but ...
[20:44] <cjwatson> by the way, when you're moving files around, you *have* to use 'bzr mv' - don't remove and add files when moving them
[20:44] <cjwatson> if you remove/add, you sever history
[20:44] <cjwatson> bzr log won't know how to track across that
[20:44] <shtylman> also...would lib/ubuntu-installer lib/ubiquity lib/oem-config be a good way to separate the codebases? I was thinking that the ubuntu-installer would be a new package with common code for both oem and ubiquity...?
[20:44] <shtylman> cjwatson: noted
[20:45] <cjwatson> most of the lib/*.py code is already pretty common to both, or could be made to be common without too much effort
[20:45] <cjwatson> some of lib/*.py should really be lib/frontend/gtk_ui/blah or something like that
[20:45] <shtylman> right
[20:46] <cjwatson> I don't want the name ubuntu-installer to exist at all - it's too confusing because people already sometimes refer to the Ubuntu branch of debian-installer like that (although I don't)
[20:46] <cjwatson> ubiquity-common would be a good package name for the common code, I think
[20:46] <shtylman> that gui separation I know about.. but you would prefer that the common code just be under /lib ? and let the install files place it correcrly?
[20:46] <cjwatson> yes, I would, and the install files can continue to place it just where they do now
[20:46] <shtylman> ubiquity-common ... noted...
[20:47] <cjwatson> the components/frontend code are a bit harder
[20:48] <shtylman> would it not make sense to have a /usr/lib/ubiquity-common directory where the common code goes...instead of placing it in /usr/lib/ubiquity and /usr/lib/oem-config depending on which packge is installed?
[20:48] <cjwatson> it makes the python package names nasty
[20:48] <shtylman> I guess thats a tradeoff between adding another package or not...
[20:48] <shtylman> I see
[20:48] <cjwatson> although it doesn't reflect the history, I think nowadays we could regard oem-config as a sort of custom implementation using ubiquity code
[20:49] <cjwatson> so the python package names could be ubiquity.debconffilter, ubiquity.frontend.gtk_ui, oem_config.frontend.gtk_ui
[20:49] <shtylman> could they both be built on the same wizard base?
[20:49] <cjwatson> ubiquity has a much more distinctive identity anyway
[20:49] <cjwatson> and then the whole thing could just go under /usr/lib/ubiquity/
[20:50] <cjwatson> so we have /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/debconffilter.py, /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py, /usr/lib/ubiquity/oem_config/frontend/gtk_ui.py
[20:50] <cjwatson> and then gradually merge common code from there
[20:50] <shtylman> ahh I see...are you saying to get rid of oem-config package alltogether? and have oem mode be a special runcase?
[20:50] <cjwatson> we'll still need the oem-config binary packages, I expect, although they can be built from the ubiquity source package
[20:51] <cjwatson> having separate binary packages isn't really a maintenance burden - it's having to merge changes across different source packages that's a pain
[20:51] <shtylman> k...also...do we need the cut and paste stuff stuff?
[20:51] <shtylman> that seems very very jegacy
[20:51] <shtylman> and is the only thing typing ubiquity to a specific architecture when binary packages are made
[20:51] <shtylman> *legacy
[20:51] <cjwatson> and yes, it would probably eventually be possible to merge the basefrontend implementations, although not yet
[20:52] <shtylman> k
[20:53] <cjwatson> src/cut-and-paste/e-map/ is still used in the UBIQUITY_OLD_TZMAP case, although we can probably kill that off in karmic
[20:53] <cjwatson> it shouldn't be killed at the same time as the oem-config merge though - one thing at a time
[20:53] <shtylman> well...imma make another run at the re-org here soon with my new found knowledge :)
[20:53] <cjwatson> src/cut-and-paste/gdm-signal/ can't easily die yet
[20:53] <shtylman> k
[20:54] <cjwatson> (that was new in jaunty and is what lets us reboot cleanly on GNOME)
[20:54] <shtylman> I see
[20:54] <cjwatson> it's a workaround for problems elsewhere
[20:54] <cjwatson> the files in oem-config/desktop/ can be moved into ubiquity/desktop/, with some care to merge the Makefile.am files properly
[20:55] <cjwatson> oem-config/debian-installer-startup.d could just be moved to ubiquity's top level
[20:55] <cjwatson> the files in doc don't clash and can just be moved into ubiquity's doc directory
[20:55] <cjwatson> apport can be merged likewise
[20:56] <shtylman> main-menu.d moved
[20:56] <cjwatson> compat is mostly easy but apt-install is tricky; there are two genuinely and necessarily different implementations there
[20:56] <shtylman> oh..this one I had no clue on...the po files?
[20:58] <cjwatson> that'll take some care. those are based on the desktop directory
[20:58] <cjwatson> you can probably put the individual files together with msgcat to start with
[20:58] <cjwatson> i.e. there should be a single po/ubiquity.pot that contains all the messages, same for all the languages
[20:59] <shtylman> k
[20:59] <cjwatson> once you get to the point of being able to run configure, you can run 'make ubiquity.pot && make update-po' in po/, or something similar
[20:59] <cjwatson> I recommend against editing the files manually unless and until you've read the gettext manual from cover to cover :-)
[21:00] <shtylman> haha... noted... will avoid....
[21:00] <cjwatson> for gui/, I think maybe ubiquity/ and oem-config/ subdirectories of each of glade and qt might make sense
[21:00] <cjwatson> or glade and qt subdirectories of each of ubiquity and oem-config, it doesn't much matter
[21:01] <cjwatson> for m4/, you should just be able to use ubiquity's copy
[21:01] <shtylman> k....can glade be gtk? or does glade make more sense in the gtk world?
[21:01] <shtylman> glade is the designer
[21:02] <cjwatson> well, the file extension is .glade and the xml top-level is <glade-interface> ...
[21:02] <shtylman> heh k
[21:02] <cjwatson> scripts/ is tricky, there are real clashes there
[21:03] <cjwatson> maybe move the oem-config ones into scripts/oem-config/ for now and we'll figure out what and how to merge later
[21:03] <shtylman> k
[21:03] <cjwatson> generally, my strong preference is to leave the ubiquity structure alone and tastefully merge the oem-config stuff around it - should mostly be possible although there are definitely a few quirks
[21:04] <cjwatson> one obvious difference is that, when ubiquity is running stuff on the target system, it needs to chroot; oem-config is already in the target system
[21:04] <shtylman> makes sense... with the ubiquity structure, I will still section off the frontend stuff into the proper folder... like segmented bar and timezone stuff?
[21:04] <cjwatson> so some parameterisation is needed, but it would be best to do that after the main body of the merge IMO
[21:04] <shtylman> k
[21:05] <cjwatson> frontend> I think so, but I recommend doing that in a separate commit
[21:05] <shtylman> k, so first move over the oem-config stuff
[21:05] <shtylman> and then re-org ubiquity..
[21:05] <cjwatson> other way round I think
[21:05] <shtylman> k
[21:05] <cjwatson> try to keep it working at each step :)
[21:05] <shtylman> where should I dump the oem-config frontends?
[21:05] <cjwatson> it's easier when they're smaller
[21:05] <shtylman> k
[21:06] <shtylman> ahh I see, we already talked about it...
[21:06] <cjwatson> looks like just segmented_bar, timezone_map, and wrap_label that are essentially components of the gtk frontend
[21:06] <shtylman> yea
[21:07] <cjwatson> component/frontend code that's genuinely oem-config-specific can probably go in a top-level oem-config directory with components and frontend subdirectories
[21:07] <cjwatson> I do want to try to automakeify the whole thing at some point - people keep getting confused and trying to install it with ./configure && make && sudo make install and it's a bit embarrassing that it's halfway autotooled but only halfway
[21:07] <cjwatson> but not now :-)
[21:08] <shtylman> heh
[21:08] <shtylman> I would add make the template generation faster to that list :)
[21:08] <FireRabbit> cjwatson: ah... in this case i already have a user created, any way around it? actually it seems if i give it an existing username it fails silently..
[21:09] <cjwatson> FireRabbit: yeah, that might be a plausible workaround. I can't think of any other way around it short of creating a dummy user
[21:09] <cjwatson> shtylman: tricky to do anything much about unfortunately, there's quite a lot of po file data to munge around
[21:10] <cjwatson> several sets of translations maintained in different trees
[21:10] <shtylman> cjwatson: true there... maybe caching? seems like it generates it every time... even with -nc .. maybe I do something wrong :(
[21:11] <cjwatson> there may be some make dependency bugs
[21:11] <FireRabbit> cjwatson: ok thanks
[21:11] <cjwatson> though that's odd because choose-mirror uses a build-stamp file
[21:11] <cjwatson> which is kind of the great big hammer approach to make dependency problems
[21:12] <cjwatson> (crude and often wrong, but not in the direction that ought to cause repeated regeneration)
[21:12] <cjwatson> as does localechooser
[21:12] <cjwatson> anyway, I promised to go tidy the airing cupboard this evening :)
[21:13] <shtylman> hahah :)
[21:14] <shtylman> cjwatson: I actually had to look that up :)
[21:14] <shtylman> " This term is more widely used in Britain"
[21:15] <shtylman> http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-airing-cupboard.htm <--- way more info than I wanted to know...
[21:15] <cjwatson> we called it a hotpress where I grew up, but the English look funny at you if you use that term *shrug*
[21:16] <shtylman> heh
[21:54] <sebas891> hi folks,
[21:55] <sebas891> can someone confirm that is possible to install hardy with the installer of intrepid or jaunty?
[21:55] <sebas891> I'm doing network install using preseed.
[22:26] <sebas891> I'll be back :)


[20:03] <bprompt> lorddune:    sounds simple enough, though you kinda already got that, but we seem to be ending up in deadends.... and we can't see what you have or not have
[20:03] <AndyDavis> arcsky,  check out https://demo.jujucharms.com/   I use my own thing that I programmed in C++/qt/qml.
[20:04] <lorddune> bprompt: If I use the command "Try Ubuntu without installing", it loads fine but I end up with a garbled screen due to my Nvidia card
[20:04] <bprompt> lorddune:   I"ve used the 14.04 a few times only myself, I'm on 12.04.... not sure if anything has changed radically on that menu
[20:04] <lorddune> bprompt: It has!
[20:05] <lorddune> bprompt: ny idea what the option "Boot from first hard disc" does if I am on USB boot
[20:06] <pixq> lorddune: its boot from you hd
[20:06] <lorddune> bprompt: AHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAH too funny it came right back to same menu
[20:07] <lorddune> bprompt: ughh guess it's time to dust off my copy of Parted Magic
[20:08] <lorddune> bprompt: if you don't have that disc, I recommend you get it
[20:08] <lorddune> bprompt: it's been a lifesaver for me on oother machines
[20:10] <bprompt> I have the iso
[20:10] <bprompt> though my 12.04 iso works fine too, and has a partition manager already
[20:10] <arcsky> AndyDavis: its not GUI right?
[20:11] <Ongacska> hozsanna nektek dicsoseges testvereim
[20:11] <Ongacska> ola ikonia bruda
[20:12] <bprompt> !hu | Ongacska
[20:12] <AndyDavis> arcsky,  sorry what ?
[20:12] <lorddune> bprompt: Parted Magic has a low RAM version of Linux and  myriad of tools
[20:12] <Ongacska> bprompt bro thanks
[20:12] <bprompt> np
[20:12] <arcsky> AndyDavis: the puppet and ansible
[20:12] <lorddune> bprompt: "ISOLINUX" is what they dub it in fact
[20:13] <bprompt> :)
[20:13] <Ongacska> the best ubuntu was 10.04 lts
[20:13] <Ongacska> the newest editions worst
[20:13] <AndyDavis> Oh sorry.  arcsky there are some web interfaces and what not.  I am trying to get my qt one working stable so that I can use that for gui.
[20:13] <bprompt> Ongacska:   best, is always relative, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder
[20:13] <lorddune> bprompt: it's weird all of my files are intact too, the Upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04.2 LTS corrupted my password somehow
[20:14] <AndyDavis> arcsky, there is a learning curve  to be honest with you with puppet chef or ansible
[20:14] <Ongacska> the new editions bigger,slower and memory eater
[20:14] <bprompt> lorddune:    good reason why I back up my /etc often =)
[20:14] <lorddune> bprompt: i have all my filles backed up too
[20:15] <lorddune> bprompt: but it's a dual boot system, I have a server running some things via windows on this machine too
[20:15] <bprompt> Ongacska:    #ubuntu-offtopic would like to hear from you on that :)
[20:15] <lorddune> bprompt: otherwise I'd just load a freshie on top
[20:15] <Guest55855> hey can someone help me out. I would like to install linux on my gigabyte brix compact pc it has a celeron dual core I would like to use the pc as internet device should i install ubuntu or something else? Please...
[20:16] <Bashing-om> Ongacska: The kernel is the kernel is the kernel. one changes the DE to suit their hardware and taste .
[20:16] <bprompt> Guest55855:     use what works, as efficiently as you need it to
[20:16] <lorddune> Guest55855: what kind of ram do you have?
[20:16] <Guest55855> so should i isntall ubuntu?
[20:16] <Silenced_v2> Guys ! Does installing custom kernel stops me from getting ubuntu official updates ?
[20:17] <lorddune> Guest55855: (how much) ram do you have?
[20:17] <Guest55855> i have 8gb of drr3 sodimm
[20:17] <OerHeks> Silenced_v2, maybe, if dependencies fail
[20:17] <Guest55855> 1600MHz
[20:17] <lorddune> Guest55855: yeah, you'll be great to use Ubuntu
[20:17] <Guest55855> okay thank you so much
[20:17] <Ongacska> must have to upgrade my motherboard cpu ram,because i would like to upgrade ubuntu? terrible
[20:17] <kokut> Hello, anyone knows how to make sure i'm running a game with mesa drivers?
[20:18] <bprompt> Guest55855:     that's quite fast.... sounds like an  dual core i5 cpu.... so.. that's quite enough for 14.04
[20:18] <rhumbot> i got a disconnect -> not sure if my problem was posted: hi all, I need some serious help this time :| I have a computer with a windows and an ubuntu (14.04). The ubuntu worked for 1-2 days, until I installed all updates. Now I cant start the ubunutu any longer. I reinstalled multiple time. Happend again. I have no idea how I can fix this since I cant even start up the ubuntu distribution ... ?
[20:18] <lorddune> Ongacska: no, no, there are lighter versiions such as kubuntu if you have lower ram (and quite frankly depends on your use of that machine too)
[20:18] <Ongacska> kokut bro: which game?
[20:18] <kokut> Ongacska: any game
[20:19] <bprompt> Ongacska:    if you're running a pentium III, I can see your gripe, then again, the glass is either half-full or half-empty, so... depends on from where you look at it
[20:19] <Ongacska> lorddune thanks,but my favouritr lxde,I hate kubuntu,kde...
[20:19] <lorddune> rhumbot: hmmmm I have some issues to affter uoograde, is yours related to login / password?
[20:19] <Silenced_v2> OerHeks: Actually i couldn't adjust my laptop display brightness when my stock kernel is loaded . But with the custom kernel built, its working great . Is there any fix for brightness adjustment in stock kernel of ubuntu ?
[20:19] <rhumbot> not I dont even get there.
[20:19] <Ongacska> any game?
[20:20] <lorddune> rhumbot: what happens exactly?
[20:20] <lorddune> rhumbot: can you access the Grub menu to use Recover version(s)
[20:20] <OerHeks> Silenced_v2, i cannot tell without info, what machine, did you serched for brightness issue + your machine?
[20:20] <OerHeks> *saerched
[20:21] <rhumbot> I installed ubuntu 14.04, installed all the programs I was looking for. Nothung unusual. basically dropbox, R, chrome and eclipse. then I installed some system updates.
[20:21] <OerHeks> kokut, "glxinfo | grep OpenGL " should tell
[20:21] <rhumbot> after installing those and restarting the computer, I wasnt able to boot into ubuntu any longer
[20:21] <lorddune> rhumbot: so what happens when you try to  start Ubuntu?
[20:21] <BlackVisual> wt | ok
[20:22] <rhumbot> Lots of errors. I will restart it and try to post them. 1 sec
[20:22] <lorddune> rhumbot: what happens when you cold boot
[20:22] <lorddune> rhumbot: use pastebin
[20:23] <kokut> OerHeks: render string: Mesa, is that all?
[20:23] <OerHeks> kokut sound oke
[20:25] <Apachez> I have something screwed up with hd5000 and ubuntu 15.04... seems to be related to opengl settings in compiz... any hints of whats supposed to be working without adding additional lag/stuttering?
[20:26] <rhumbot> ok now when trying to restart ubuntu he recognised some errors, checking the disk
[20:26] <rhumbot> The sidk drive for /tmp is not ready.
[20:27] <lorddune> rhumbot: can you boot to recover versions?
[20:31] <lorddune> rhumbot: that error msg is referring to your disc drive, did you forget to swap your boot order back after install??
[20:38] <jackw411> anyone in here using ubuntu on aws? trying to find a minimal install ami
[20:45] <f31n> hi, when i mkfs.ext4 on /dev/sdX, i get the question sdX is the entire disk not just a partition, is there a reason i should create a partiion before i create a fs on an entire disk (i want to use the entire disk just for one partition)
[20:45] <EriC^> f31n: you have to create a partition first, then a filesystem
[20:46] <Vegar2> I get these randomly in tty1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11038429/ my fdisk for the mentioned drives: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11038431/
[20:46] <f31n> EriC^: okay thanks
[20:47] <Apachez> anyone in here who runs ubuntu 15.04 with intel hd 5000 graphics with no issues?
[20:48] <Apachez> if so whats your opengl settings in compizconfig?
[20:49] <Guest94685> cc
[20:49] <Guest94685> francais
[20:54] <elstud> silenced try nload
[20:56] <kokut> anyone knows how to make a graph for deluge that shows the speed over time or something?
[20:56] <adsjlkdk> does anyone use urxvt
[20:58] <bekks> !ask | adsjlkdk
[20:59] <kokut> adsjlkdk: i use tmux + guake
[21:02] <f31n> if i copy /var to another hdd (so i can mount it afterwards with fstab from there) do i need to create a folder /var on the new hdd or not?
[21:03] <bekks> If you copy /var over ,the folder is being created already.
[21:04] <adsjlkdk> guys i cant get .Xresources to change urxvt
[21:04] <bekks> adsjlkdk: Why not?
[21:04] <adsjlkdk> i dont know
[21:04] <f31n> okay, but does ubuntu expects me to have on the mountpoint a folder var/[...] or just the content?
[21:04] <EriC^> f31n: you don't copy the dir you copy the contents, and you create the empty dir in your "/"
[21:05] <adsjlkdk> i did xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources and -load too but nothing works
[21:05] <bekks> adsjlkdk: But you know what you are dong in that file.
[21:05] <f31n> EriC^ thanks for that again :)
[21:05] <adsjlkdk> bekks: what
[21:05] <EriC^> f31n: no problem :)
[21:05] <bekks> adsjlkdk: Pastebin your ~/.Xresources so we know what you are doing in there actually :)
[21:06] <f31n> EriC^: and cp -ax is the right parameter?
[21:07] <EriC^> f31n: or rsync -av /var/ /path/to/hdd
[21:07] <EriC^> f31n: it has to be /var/ with 2 slashes to copy the contents
[21:07] <adsjlkdk> bekks: http://sprunge.us/aFON
[21:07] <f31n> okay thank you very much!
[21:08] <EriC^> np
[21:08] <LeEarl_> hi
[21:08] <LeEarl_> guys I got ubuntu mate 14.04 LTS
[21:08] <LeEarl_> I can't copy DVDs, from an ISO
[21:09] <OerHeks> LeEarl_, did you look at the DVD wiki?
[21:09] <adsjlkdk> bekks: do you have any idea
[21:09] <OerHeks> !dvd
[21:09] <LeEarl_> I dont wanna play
[21:10] <LeEarl_> I got an OS on an ISO file that I want to burn into DVD
[21:10] <LeEarl_> ubuntu mate says the dvd is already mounted then it does not burn nothing
[21:10] <LeEarl_> I am using Barsero
[21:10] <LeEarl_> brasero
[21:12] <BluesKaj> LeEarl_, go to the VLC site look for libdvdcss
[21:13] <OerHeks> LeEarl_, try an other dvd+r ?
[21:14] <LeEarl_> guys plz understand what I am trying to say
[21:14] <LeEarl_> I want to burn a data dvd
[21:14] <bekks> LeEarl_: No. You want to burn an iso image as you said.
[21:14] <LeEarl_> it is not video and got nothing to do with video what-so-ever
[21:17] <OerHeks> LeEarl_, maybe the disc is faulty, try an other: start brasero, choose the iso to burn as an image, then wait for it to ask for a dvd, insert disc, voila
[21:17] <hamsies> I need to forward port 8069 to 80. I am told that can be done using iptables. this is the formula i used "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 8069 -j REDIRECT --to 80" but took both ports down
[21:18] <haye_> Hey guys! I'm using i3wm on 15.04, and I've been trying to get the keyboard brightness buttons to work (MacBook Air 13" 2013). Any one any tips?
[21:18] <LeEarl_> OerHeks, ok i will try now
[21:19] <adsjlkdk> can anyone help me with .Xresources
[21:20] <LeEarl_> ok here is what it first does: 1.it is a pormpt saying blank dvd-r. select how to open ...etc.
[21:21] <OerHeks> adsjlkdk, if you don't find an answer here, post it on askubuntu.com too
[21:21] <LeEarl_> here is the error message: 1.Unable to mount Blank DVD-R Disc 2.Location is already mounted
[21:21] <LeEarl_> so what is the solution?
[21:24] <kokut> anyone knows how to free the swap memory
[21:25] <psusi> kokut, depends on what you mean
[21:25] <pantato> sorry about that
[21:25] <psusi> if you want to move everything in swap back to ram and stop using swap, that's what swapoff does
[21:25] <kokut> also, why is freakign chrome spawning 20 threads if im just watching one youtube video?
[21:26] <kokut> 20 or more, can't even count them
[21:26] <OerHeks> LeEarl_, not sure what is going on
[21:27] <LeEarl_> kokut try to watch youtube in html5
[21:27] <LeEarl_> after the youtube url type this at the end
[21:28] <OerHeks> kokut are you on irc channels on that same machine?
[21:28] <LeEarl_> &html5=True
[21:28] <LeEarl_> watch the case of the T it must be capital T
[21:28] <excelsiora> guys, I fixed the dark blue
[21:28] <LeEarl_> also there is an add-on that makes your browser always play youyube in html5
[21:29] <excelsiora> You should put my solution in the default system
[21:29] <pantato> so i have a graphical issue on my machine where if there is movement of text within the terminal (example of irssi connecting to a server
[21:29] <pantato> or entering a new command. There is graphical distortion.
[21:30] <pantato> the same distortion will occur when i'm scrolling down a PDF document
[21:30] <pantato> I'm thinking that it's my video card that is dying or something wrong with the propietary nvidia drivers
[21:30] <pantato> does anyone have any idea about how i may go about narrowing down the issue?
[21:30] <LeEarl_> pantato, that is called screen tearing
[21:30] <pantato> yes, it's excessive screen tearing
[21:30] <LeEarl_> to fix it turn on vsync
[21:31] <pantato> ok. Do you know which tab in the nvidia-settings panel that is it? it's not screaming out at me
[21:31] <LeEarl_> if that did not work then install manufacturer driver: nvidia, ati/amd, intel ..etc. and try to set it to the correct settings to counter tearing
[21:32] <LeEarl_> pantato, in google search for|: ubuntu nvidia screen tearing
[21:32] <VorZone> guys if i install ubuntu to my computer can i get windows back after????
[21:32] <pantato> k
[21:34] <OerHeks> VorZone, sure, if you install side-by-side, grub bootloader will let you choose
[21:34] <pantato> LeEarl_: I was able to solve it.. Strange though because it's not noticable inside of games
[21:34] <pantato> just the desktop environment
[21:34] <LeEarl_> VorZone, no ;D
[21:36] <ubuntu854> I found out why my laptop keeps suspending after I upgraded to 15.04. cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state returns close when it's open. If I close the lid and then I open it again it will show open. The problem is that at boot time systemd thinks it's closed while it's not and thus it suspend system to ram even before running X
[21:36] <excelsiora> AndyDavis: I solved it
[21:36] <AndyDavis> :)
[21:37] <ubuntu854> I am wondering why this is happening only to me :(
[21:38] <LeEarl_> l8r
[21:43] <bla_> hello
[21:44] <abhi_> hi
[21:45] <Jeeves_Moss> is there a way to configure fail2ban to auto ban anyone who tries to login using root?
[21:54] <m000gle> I've been experiencing performance issues with Ubuntu's Unity desktop environment, despite having a plenty powerful machine.  Could someone help determine whether this is normal, and/or troubleshoot?
[21:54] <m000gle> [Ubuntu 15.04 64-bit, i7-2700k CPU, 16GB DDR3, Dual GeForce GTX 760 /w nvidia-346 proprietary drivers]
[21:54] <m000gle> When changing focus from one window to another there is a split second, but very noticeable, lag between the mouse click and the focus changing.
[21:56] <m000gle> This appears to only affect changing focus between regular windows, and does NOT affect changing focus between two maximized windows (eg. one on each of the two monitors).
[22:03] <Ikobu7Oruk92> Hello Everyone. I am not new to Linux but now faceing some basic problemes with rights Management. How to give multipe Users different Acces Rights to the same Directory, for example  3/5 samba users write  2/5 red, another ftp user reading an writing and the www-data user reading ?
[22:05] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: either make a group and add them all to it, or add them individually as acl's
[22:06] <kokut> OerHeks: yes i'm on irc channels, why
[22:06] <kokut> i'm using pidgin so
[22:06] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: actually just add them as acl's
[22:07] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: setfacl -m u:<user>:rw /path/to/file
[22:07] <EriC^> or g:<group>:w etc.
[22:08] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: that's new to me
[22:08] <falieson> I'm planning a mongoDB server. storage 3xHDDs Raid5, bcache 2xSSDs Raid0, OS on its own SSD. I don't understand how to setup mongoldb to use the cache though - and haven't found an article on it yet either
[22:08] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: man setfacl/getfacl/acl
[22:09] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: no I meant: there is allways written  chmod und chgrp an dso on.. never heard of setfacl
[22:10] <k10d> falieson: what do you mean? mongodb uses ram as it's cache
[22:10] <Ikobu7Oruk92> @EriC: I'll try it first
[22:11] <bazhang> falieson, try ##mongodb
[22:12] <falieson> k10d, i'm not sure - i haven't setup a high performance db server before. I've read that bcache is a way to unblock HDD throughput by putting an SSD infront as a larger cache
[22:13] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: do I need to install something for this because it tells me command not found
[22:13] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: it's like the /media/user file, if you type ls -ld /media/<user> you'll see you don't have read/exec access to it, but there's a + next to it, type getfacl /media/<user> and you'll see your user is there
[22:14] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: nah it's default
[22:14] <k10d> falieson: ah, but that isnt really a mongodb issue. mongodb will use ram as cache and store journals and data where you specify.
[22:15] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: I am using ubuntu 15.04 vivid
[22:15] <EriC^> if you type setfacl it says command not found?
[22:16] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: yes
[22:16] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: type apt-cache policy acl
[22:17] <Ikobu7Oruk92> Eric^:
[22:17] <Ikobu7Oruk92> acl:
[22:17] <Ikobu7Oruk92>   Installed: (none)
[22:17] <Ikobu7Oruk92>   Candidate: 2.2.52-2
[22:17] <Ikobu7Oruk92>   Version table:
[22:17] <Ikobu7Oruk92>      2.2.52-2 0
[22:17] <EriC^> ok, that's odd
[22:18] <EriC^> !info acl
[22:18] <falieson> k10d, yeah - that's why I didn't ask in #mongodb - this question is more about how cache works I guess. Like, do I set the mongo --dpath to be the bcache location and it forwards the data to the HDDs?
[22:19] <EriC^> Ikobu7Oruk92: ok, type apt-get install acl
[22:19] <EriC^> *sudo apt-get...
[22:19] <k10d> falieson: sorry, but i havent used bcache so i cant really answer that
[22:19] <falieson> anyone bcache?
[22:19] <Ikobu7Oruk92> Eric^: ok I'll try  - but !info acl tells me event not found
[22:20] <EriC^> that was for the bot
[22:21] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: seems to be  installed now
[22:21] <EriC^> nevermind it
[22:21] <EriC^> ok
[22:22] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: do these permissions belongt to the whole system (anny service and so on)?  if so, that's solving my problem and I'll have to read a lot about it..
[22:23] <EriC^> yeah
[22:25] <Ikobu7Oruk92> EriC^: great :)  [I used to make a great mistake by setting everything to chomod 777 -R but it was the only way everything worked "fine" {but insecure}] so thanks a lot and .. yeah... thank you
[22:25] <EriC^> no problem
[22:25] <EriC^> there are examples in man setfacl at the end
[22:27] <Ikobu7Oruk92> Thanks, already found them. - I am no such fan of manuals.. but sometimes there is no way around
[22:34] <pokeymantrainer> I just installed Google Chrome in 14.04 and the menu bar doesn't show up anymore. How do I fix this. The Chrome menu worked fine in 12.04.
[22:37] <OerHeks> pokeymantrainer, menu bat is on the top panel
[22:38] <pokeymantrainer> OerHeks: I know it's at the top. Chrome doesn't show it on 14.04 like it did on 12.04.
[22:38] <OerHeks> pokeymantrainer, strange.
[22:39] <OerHeks> did you use unity tweak or another tweak tool before installing?
[22:43] <pokeymantrainer> No. Pretty much a fresh install.
[22:48] <pokeymantrainer> Ok. Reinstalled Chrome, rebooted, and now it's fixed. Chrome has a menu bar!
[22:49] <OerHeks> :-)
[22:49] <OerHeks> i couldn't find simular issues, glad you found out.
[22:53] <dick_> Ok. I have a Lancaster (older) machine. At times, no hard drives boot up. Luckily I got this linux drive too.. And all I've read is, it's a problem with the bios. How can I use linux to fix the bios and boot all hard drives again?
[22:55] <MonkeyDust> dick_  are you in ubuntu right now?
[22:55] <dick_> Yeah. Ubuntu Mate :)
[22:56] <daftykins> dick_: nothing of what you've said hugely makes sense. an OS does not fix a BIOS, other than to either update it or perform a CMOS reset if it's behaving oddly.
[22:56] <daftykins> (neither of which necessarily happen from the OS)
[22:56] <dick_> I did the cmos thing though. and it's not that it's 'dead'. What happens is, I go to turn it back on, and nothing.. then I shut it off, turn it back on, then it goes to post, but doesn't go further.. then I try again, and sometimes I'll find the damn hard drive and boot
[22:57] <daftykins> dick_: got a make and model on this thing? or is it a custom build?
[22:57] <OerHeks> could be a bios setting, embty bios battery .. join #hardware for trouble.
[22:57] <daftykins> to be honest none of these issues are Ubuntu related, so... yeah ^
[22:58] <AndyDavis> anyone on a i386 machine  ? If so can I get the output to    uname -m      thansk
[22:58] <AndyDavis> thanks *
[22:58] <dick_> Right I know that... but while I'm on the thing, is there anything I can do to fix the problem..  Using Nvidia X server. My mouse gets stuck on the monitors that are on my second graphics card and will appear at the edge of the monitors being driven by my primary GPU
[22:59] <daftykins> tahr249751: macs that can't boot the amd64 likely have other issues
[22:59] <tahr249751> so you decided to drop support support on more recent technologies
[22:59] <AndyDavis> OerHeks, I think that uname has not changed in a while
[23:00] <OerHeks> AndyDavis,  i can't help you there, i am on 64 bit.
[23:00] <AndyDavis> OerHeks,  writing a script that needs to check host arch for building
[23:00] <daftykins> tahr249751: we're volunteers, we are not employees of Canonical - so it is not 'we' at all. Now, you are entirely wrong - the amd64 images work just fine :)
[23:00] <AndyDavis> I think it is i386 but can not remember and
[23:00] <venom_> hi everyone
[23:00] <AndyDavis> time to make a lxc I guess
[23:00] <daftykins> dick_: so is it a branded PC or custom build?
[23:01] <venom_> can some one please teach me how to hide ip in IRC
[23:01] <daftykins> venom_: not relevant here. go to #freenode and ask
[23:01] <venom_> ok
[23:01] <OerHeks> venom_, one way is to ask for a cloak, join #freenode for that
[23:03] <dick_> How about "flashing" the bios... I have a flash drive and the ability to download stuff... does that help? when the mobo starts acting all shotty?
[23:03] <tahr249751> daftykins funny you say that, cause it still tries to boot from EFI32 instead of through BIOS emulation, thus I get the unpenetrable "Select CD-ROM Boot Type" message
[23:04] <tahr249751> Where I have to hold the power button down till my computer turns off, as everything else goes unresponsive
[23:04] <OerHeks> dick_, bios flashing is still an issue under linux, maybe freedos is any help.
[23:06] <zykotick9> OerHeks: try telling the coreboot/libreboot folks that ;)
[23:07] <dick_> Well what I was meaning. I can download the bios flasher thing, reboot to the flash drive and perform the flash... Does flashing help? People have said in the past that now and again it's good to do to bring the motherboard back to factory
[23:07] <daftykins> tahr249751: not using rEFInd i take it?
[23:08] <daftykins> dick_: doesn't make sense to me, that - and still wouldn't resolve a dead battery
[23:08] <daftykins> dick_: you keep ignoring my question of make+model though
[23:08] <dick_> Compaq something.. I forgot the model number because the sticker got worn off over time.. it's an srx or sxr something
[23:09] <daftykins> ok so it's a factory build at least
[23:09] <dick_> except for the hard drives yes
[23:10] <daftykins> check for a version number, it might be displayed if you run "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit"
[23:10] <OerHeks> zykotick9, are those the guys that try to make a linux tool for bios upgrades?
[23:10] <dick_> before this all happened I was getting mad blue screens on windows 7.. but I'm going to try changing out the battery.. cause I'm looking as well and it shows that "if it works here and there, but things still "power up".. then sounds like a battery issue"... so I will go get one and try it.. :)
[23:10] <daftykins> Windows was BSODing?
[23:11] <daftykins> now it sounds like the system isn't even stable
[23:11] <daftykins> alright this is nowhere near an ubuntu query, you're going to have to move further talk to ##hardware
[23:11] <zykotick9> OerHeks: not exactly, they both make bios replacements...  but there is a lot of "flashing" from gnu/linux systems, just not factory bios images
[23:16] <dick_> I had some scrap motherboards laying around :D older. but their all 3v right?
[23:20] <DilloYoda> Some cool themes I just came across for Ubuntu - http://kb.openstudioproject.com/content/ubuntu/best-ubuntu-1404-trusty-themes
[23:22] <daftykins> dick_: 3v? lol doesn't even make sense.
[23:22] <daftykins> and like i said, this isn't a hardware support channel
[23:22] <daftykins> as much as i enjoy it
[23:22] <dick_> 3 volt
[23:22] <daftykins> yes but that makes no sense.
[23:23] <dick_> Well I have a couple batteries, after I get my updates done. I'm going to change it out and try it
[23:27] <falieson> I'm making an effort to understand bcache today (http://evilpiepirate.org/git/linux-bcache.git/tree/Documentation/bcache.txt) for a high performance DB server. If someone has experience/understanding - can you confirm my understanding? Once I've setup bcache following the instructions (with my SSDs and HDDs each setup in a stripe raid), I can setup my DB to write to the HDD raid and bcache will step in and do the needful
[23:42] <Apachez> any of you who experienced laggy performance in google chrome (displaying hd material) with ubuntu 15.04?
[23:54] <AR45> Can't get one of my monitors to display correctly
[23:55] <AR45> same monitors one is connected with a hdmi cord and the other with a dvi
[23:56] <daftykins> AR45: ubuntu version? graphics card? driver in use? driver version? connection type?
[23:56] <AR45> 15
[23:56] <daftykins> answer all on one line please
[23:56] <AR45> 4600 intel 4600
[23:56] <AR45> hdmi and dvi
[23:57] <grend> hi
[23:58] <grend> mount: mounting sys on root/sys failed no such dir
[23:58] <grend> seems like hd lost some sectors?
[23:58] <grend> or bad sectors?
[23:58] <grend> root/dev is missing too :D
[23:58] <AR45> monitor connected with the DVI isn't displaying at the right resolution
[23:58] <daftykins> grend: are you in a live session?
[23:59] <AR45> I think I just have the open source drivers
[23:59] <daftykins> AR45: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:59] <grend> daftykins: I run recover option
[23:59] <daftykins> grend: so you're sat at a CLI shell?


[20:01] <hozer> has anyone tested a Toshiba T135 yet? .. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba+-+Satellite+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Pentium%26%23174%3B+Processor+-+Nova+Black/9549081.p?id=1218122294916&skuId=9549081&st=T135&cp=1&lp=1