[00:18] <xieyi> I just upgrade to 15.10. when i open dolphin it shows an error saying my home directory doesnt exist
[00:18] <xieyi> how do I solve the problem
[00:21] <xieyi> and I cant find the plasma networkmanager at the systray
[00:36] <denza242> what's the ~/Templates folder for?
[00:45] <persia> denza242: It allows one to specify templaces for new documents in Dolphin: the tools are different, but the answer is the same as http://askubuntu.com/questions/94734/what-is-the-templates-folder-in-the-home-directory-for
[00:48] <denza242> persia: oh ok
[00:52] <hudsonkem> hello guys, i have problem with kubuntu 15.10. i cant see videos thumbnails, and i tried take it but not work.
[00:54] <hudsonkem> another problem is, i changed windows theme but some called dialogs r ugly, http://imgur.com/mSB8Gqy
[01:04] <denza242> hudsonkem: ok for the thumbnails, sudo apt-get install ffmpegthumbs or ffmpegthumbnailer, one of the two
[01:05] <denza242> hudsonkem: for the theme, can you be more specific about what you want it to look like?
[01:05] <denza242> i guess you could try a different color scheme Systemsettings >> Colors
[01:06] <denza242> (also I recommend you to use mixtape.moe for image hosting, just a personal thing :P)
[01:19] <hudsonkem> denza242 about theme i fixed xD. well about the thumbnails unfortunatily i have been tried it but no lucky
[01:19] <hudsonkem> dolphin dont shows the video thumbnail option
[01:21] <denza242> hmm
[01:22] <denza242> hudsonkem: kffmpegthumbnailer should work
[01:28] <hudsonkem> denza242 tried it too, well, its works to me on old version, but this 15.10 no lucky T-T
[01:30] <xieyi> the plasma network manager doesnt show after I upgrade to 15.10
[03:16] <excalibr> So Im having a shutdown problem with 15.10 where my computer pops back up after the machine shut downs. It seems to be always reproduceable with kubuntu 15.10 iso only
[03:17] <excalibr> live iso and installed kubuntu
[03:18] <excalibr> I dont have this problem with ubuntu 15.10 or prior kubuntu iso version
[03:18] <excalibr> so bizzare
[03:18] <excalibr> Anyone has any clue what could be the culprit?
[04:21] <rodolfojcj> hey excalibr! I've experienced the same situation after upgrading to Kubuntu 15.10
[04:22] <rodolfojcj> I don't know why some seconds later after suspending or hibernating, the computer powers up again by itself
[04:22] <rodolfojcj> but, I've noticed that if I use the Konsole commands: sudo pm-suspend or sudo pm-hibernate, it works fine
[05:50] <excalibr> glad Im not alone
[05:56] <denza252> excalibr: channel isn't really active, one sec
[05:56] <excalibr> denza252, you were rodolfojcj?
[05:56] <denza252> oh uh
[05:57] <denza252> excalibr: thought you said that sarcastically... anyways, did rodo's commands work?
[05:59] <excalibr> denza252, sorry i dont mean that way
[05:59] <excalibr> I have no issue with suspend. Only shutdown is not werking. shutdown -P/h/H neither works
[06:02] <denza252> excalibr: try sudo systemctl poweroff
[06:10] <excalibr> just gave that a go. No luck
[06:13] <denza252> excalibr: what happens if you hard-shutdown via the power button
[06:13] <denza252> or even normal shutdown via the power button
[06:17] <excalibr> Pressing power button brings up the kde shutdown confirmation for me. I guess that would make no difference from shutting down from shutdown menu
[06:20] <excalibr> denza252, even shutdown in console mode doesnt work. I booted the live cd with text mode and went into console mode (ctrl+alt+f1) at the login screen
[08:02] <timblechmann> hi ... i'm seeing some interesting behaviour with kubuntu 15.10: some kde applications (e.g. dolphin) change their application style, when selecting a gtk2 theme in system settings ...
[08:03] <timblechmann> this is quite surprising to me, as dolphin is a kde/qt, not a gtk application
[08:03] <timblechmann> maybe some theme redirection was messed up?
[08:04] <timblechmann> any ideas, where to start looking?
[08:40] <Grig> Hello!  Sorry, I'm a bit new to this but haven't found any anwers online.  I have upgraded to Kubuntu 15.10.  I am unable to launch documents, audio files, text files etc from Kickoff History menu.  I click on them and nothing happens.  I've tried on two different computers.  Any ideas please?  Thanks, Grig.
[09:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:46] <SilentGhost> I seem to have a corrupted fonts in plasma widgets, does anyone know if it's possible to reset some settings / clear cache to return to defaults? And where to look for those settings?
[09:50] <raph_> in systemsetting, you can find a entry for the fonts, there is also a button to restore the defaults
[09:52] <SilentGhost> raph_: yes, except it doesn't seem to help at all. may be it's not fonts themselves, though it certainly the most noticeable issue.
[09:52] <CapsAdmin> how can i decrease animation time?
[09:52] <CapsAdmin> desktop effects animation time*
[09:53] <jubo2> Hiya and thanks for the great Kubuntu GNU/Linukka OS
[09:53] <CapsAdmin> i used to see a slider for it in settings but i can't find it anymore
[09:53] <jubo2> I have problem dedocking
[09:53] <jubo2> *undocking
[09:53] <jubo2> It used to work ok on Kubuntu14 and 15.04
[09:54] <SilentGhost> For example in Kickoff > Favorites I have a Programm name (e.g. Dolphin) on top of the program category (e.g. File Manager), but in smaller font, it just looks so off
[09:56] <raph_> SilentGhost: maybe you can create an new user, to verify if the specific user settings are the root-cause
[09:57] <SilentGhost> raph_: I think I tried it in 15.04 and it was the same for the new account
[09:58] <raph_> CapsAdmin: System settings -> Settings for the monitor (sorry, don't know the name for the englisch menu-entry) -> Compositor
[09:59] <SilentGhost> CapsAdmin: "Display and Monitor", 2nd in the bottom row
[10:02] <jubo2> I tried disabling the external monitor before undocking but still I get just a black screen
[10:02] <jubo2> this worked out-of-the-box in 14 and 15.04
[10:02] <CapsAdmin> ahh
[10:02] <CapsAdmin> thanks
[10:02] <jubo2> something somewhere wrong..
[10:03] <lordievader> jubo2: What graphics card and driver are you using?
[10:03] <jubo2> lordievader: it is some inbuilt intel card
[10:03] <jubo2> I lspci ?
[10:03] <CapsAdmin> hmm. my main issue is alt tab feeling slow ish. it takers about 0.5 seconds for the switcher thing to show up
[10:03] <CapsAdmin> i was hoping turning downb the animation speed would fix that but apparently not
[10:03] <raph_> SilentGhost: is there any change, if you use other fonts than the default ones? Or is there no effect if you change it?
[10:04] <jubo2> lordievader: lspci says...
[10:04] <jubo2> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[10:07] <lordievader> jubo2: Not by any chance a hybrid system?
[10:07] <lordievader> jubo2: Since what you describe can well be explained if switching of gpu's is involved.
[10:08] <SilentGhost> raph_: hm, you're right, those changes there don't seem to matter
[10:08] <Cugel> Hey guys. I've used Kubuntu since I don't know when. Really trying to get some STDOUT plasmoid working in Plasma 5.
[10:08] <jubo2> lordievader: not a hybrid system I think
[10:09] <jubo2> I have internal display and external via dock via Display Port via DVI
[10:09] <jubo2> but previously this worked without needing to mess with any settings
[10:10] <lordievader> jubo2: Hmm, I guess it is time to submit a bug report.
[10:10] <jubo2> lordievader: what are the relevant logs to look at?
[10:11] <jubo2> I try now that I can shut down, undock and start
[10:11] <jubo2> ta ta
[10:15] <jubo2> hmm..
[10:15] <jubo2> I shut down ondock. removed the machine from the dock, started the machine undocked and put it back to the dock and now all seems to work
[10:16] <jubo2> lordievader: computers..
[10:27] <lordievader> jubo2: Including docking/undocking?
[10:30] <jubo2> yeah
[10:31] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps an update fixed it?
[10:33] <xieyi> can you see the plasma-networkmanager at systray after upgrade to 15.10?
[10:33] <xieyi> why I cant find it
[10:34] <xieyi> fortunately, my laptop can still connect to wifi automatically
[12:17] <Guest72829> Hello, i have a question abouth Kubuntu 15.10, is it stable now to run it and to daily tasks without bugging out or crashing, i had bad experience with 15.04 plasma 5.3-5.4?
[12:20] <Guest72829> Hello, i have a question abouth Kubuntu 15.10, is it stable now to run it and to daily tasks without bugging out or crashing, i had bad experience with 15.04 plasma 5.3-5.4?
[12:21] <mparillo> It is hard to generalize, but I run it daily on three different laptops (Lenovo, HP, and an Acer netbook), as well as in a VMware Guest under Win7. It works great for me, but are you bugs marked as fixed in 15.10?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:22] <Guest72829> Bugs like, Moun discover crashes and then crash report crashes too, something dat essential ČD
[12:23] <Guest72829> I rly like plasma desktop, i find it most customizable
[12:24] <mparillo> I have not had it crash for me. What is the bug number?
[12:25] <Guest72829> sorry i dont remeber it was like two weeks ago or smthing, but im for first time trying 15.10 so we will see :)
[12:29] <SylvieLorxu> Is there any place where you can see which packages are preinstalled in Kubuntu 15.10? I'm curious of the KDE games collection is there by default
[12:31] <Guest72829> when i add yahoo weather widged and put it on desktop it show me only this
[12:31] <Guest72829> Error loading QML file: file:///home/kubuntu/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/com.librehat.yahooweather/contents/ui/main.qml:76:5: Type Yahoo unavailable
[12:31] <Guest72829> file:///home/kubuntu/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/com.librehat.yahooweather/contents/ui/Yahoo.qml:12:1: module "QtQuick.XmlListModel" is not installed
[12:43] <mparillo> I have not tested this, but  Originally Posted by claydoh   To get the yahoo weather widget to work, I needed to install qml-module-qtquick-xmllistmodel, else the widget didn't work. Not sure if this is installed by default or not.
[12:44] <mparillo> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67806-The-first-of-plasma-5-weather-widgets&s=eb064c5c20971f356418c57e4e6a9baf&p=369938&viewfull=1#post369938
[12:57] <Ican> asdfa
[12:57] <Ican> hello world
[13:05] <ngaio> hi everyone, is there a way I can install a minimal version of the Kubuntu 15.10 KDE desktop alongside my primary Unity session so I can test how an application I am developing will look like under KDE/Plasma? I don't want any invasive changes, like the boot screen changing, and I don't want kwallet prompting me every single time I login
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ngaio, you can install kubuntu-desktop and you'll have the desktop choice at login , just disable kwallet manager in system-settings>account details
[13:18] <ngaio> BluesKaj, how can I stop it changing the boot screen (is it called plymouth)? And is there a way to avoid the conflict in packages relating to online accounts (I forget the exact package names)?
[13:21] <ngaio> the package conflict is related to KDE telepathy and the Unity icons
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ngaio, afaik adding kubuntu-desktop only shows up at the login, but I haven't tried to Kubuntu-Desktop with Unity for a while
[13:25] <ngaio> BluesKaj, it would be great if it did only that, but it makes other changes too (fortunately it gives you the choice of not replacing lightdm)
[13:27] <BluesKaj> right sddm is default on 15.04
[13:28] <ngaio> is there an easy way to switch between the regular Unity plymouth boot and the Kubuntu one?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I thought the boot would be ubuntu-boot until the login page then you choose the desktop there and continue, that was my experience, ngaio
[13:35] <ngaio> maybe it's just a matter of reinstalling plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text, if it does happen again ;-)
[13:35] <Smurphy> Anyone else having trouble passing the spell-check in kmail? It locks hard... Freezes plasma.
[13:36] <Smurphy> Also - vlc has stopped decoding some of the mp4 container contents... :}
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, spell doen't work yet here..hasn't fpr a while on plasma 5
[13:41] <BluesKaj> spellcheck even
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, got an example of mp4 not working in vlc?
[13:49] <hay207_> hi guys, i have a simple problem, sometimes menu items won't launch except from a terminal
[13:50] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: How can I disable Spellcheck then ? I can't disable it :}
[13:51] <Smurphy> And - regarding mp4 - well, you don't want to see the stuff from pr0nhub :} Hold on, checking the codecs.
[13:53] <Smurphy> Thing is - it worked before the upgrade. Some something has changed, I just don't know what
[13:53] <lolmaus_> How do I disable middle click paste without disabling middle mouse button for all other uses?
[13:54] <Smurphy> lolmaus_: that is actually the best feature of the Linux desktop IMHO.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, system settings>regional settings>spellcheck
[13:57] <Smurphy> I did. Does not disable it...
[13:58] <Smurphy> I can't disable it, or unset the default language.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> another plasma 5 "feature" :/
[13:58] <Smurphy> When I trigger a "send new mail", it opens it, and the text is autocorrected/.
[13:59] <Smurphy> It is a plasma 5.4 feature. Didn't have that issue with plasma 5.3.
[13:59] <Smurphy> But I think, that kmail was still using plasma 4 with kubuntu 15.04...
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, it might be a kmail thing then, I removed kmail and kontact since I don't need it
[14:01] <BluesKaj> them rather
[14:03] <BluesKaj> and I'm able to uncheck spellcheck and the default language if that means anything
[14:04] <ivan_> acabo de instalar kubuntu 15.10, como hago para que dolphin me muestre las thumbnails de los videos, he probado con el paquete ffmpegthumbs pero no me aparece en opciones de vista general en dolphin
[14:05] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Will try.
[14:05] <Smurphy> Using kmail for ages. What are you using inste\ad ?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> gmail
[14:06] <Smurphy> arg. Nope. Not gonna happen here.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> kmail was great until kde4 then they mucked it up with akonadi and the database
[14:07] <Smurphy> I have my own mailserver and cloude. Nothing goes out. Even the phones are hardened/rooted and all non-needed stuff dumped.
[14:07] <jubo2> Hiya and thanks for the awesomes GNU/Linukka OS
[14:07] <jubo2> how do I disable screen locking upon inactivity of n minutes
[14:07] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: It actually works quite well, with the last akonadi stuff.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, I'm a home user so neo need for an email database with clunky akonadi server ...no thanks
[14:09] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: I am a home user too... and I have a mailserver for the 25 last years at home.
[14:09] <Smurphy> I do care about my family's and my privacy.
[14:11] <mparillo> jubo2: System Settings > Workspace Behavior > Screen Locking
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, heh, good luck on that one , we 're careful about persoanl stuff like adresses etc in our email , even if I used kmail the policy woudn't change
[14:12] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: We are careful about that too ... But all the others aren't ;}
[14:12] <mparillo> jubo2: When you get there uncheck the box (it used to be less intuitive; you used to have to set the interval to zero).
[14:14] <BluesKaj> yup, that's why all family memebers follow that policy, using a personal email server isn't going to  make things more secure IMO, Smurphy
[14:14] <jubo2> mparillo: thanks found it and now removed the autolocking
[14:15] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: I do that because I don't want the mails to be hosted at someone else's mercy. I am working (have worked) in enough high security environments to know what is happening with the data.
[14:19]  * BluesKaj shrugs if blackhats want your data, they'll find a way,
[14:20] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: They do... Some of them, and tried and trie,d but in the end failed... :}
[14:20] <Smurphy> So far :)
[14:21] <lolmaus_> When I copy or extract files, the status is shown in notifications without progress. Why? How do I enable progress?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> lolmaus_, unfortunately the progress indicator is intermittent
[14:58] <ubuntourist> Whither has ktimezoned gotten to?  I'm running Ubuntu Studio, but have a handful of KDE apps. kalarm is now complaining that it cannot find ktimezoned after the wily (15.10) upgrade.
[15:02] <ubuntourist> Also, 'twould appear the channel topic is no longer accurate, since the URL for the FAQ redirects to the standard Ubuntu FAQ.
[15:45] <ejay> Is there any logical explanation why by default when plugin' in external monitor every window goes to that second monitor? I'm struggling with that for a while and every time I'm like "wtf? how retarded it is?". Whos idea it was? Is there anyone who wants to move your windows to second screen? I'm sitting on linux for almost 10 years and I remember broken wifi drivers, fighting with gfx drivers, dead installation after some big updates and none of
[15:45] <ejay> those were even close to this effed up double screen issue. Jesus. I'm not even using any fancy hardware.
[15:52] <clivejo> ejay what version of kubuntu?
[15:56] <ejay> clivejo: 15.10. It never worked as intended on any version of plasma so I guess someone just decided to make it a default behaviour. Nonesense.
[15:57] <clivejo> I have multiple screens on Kubuntu 15.10, apps open whereever I open them from
[15:58] <clivejo> if I open from a kickstart menu on that screen that is where they will appear, pretty logical to me
[15:58] <dougl> is my bcm4352 bluetooth device supposed to work on my 14.04 kubuntu?
[15:59] <ejay> Oh, and I did set that my laptop screen is primary, also set to open windows under mouse pointer. Nothing of those is changing anything. I purged plasma configs and cache. Nothing. So I'm like - maybe drivers but I'm using open drivers and my gfx is intel hd - card that present in 90% of laptops so nothing fancy.
[15:59] <ejay> is present*
[16:00] <clivejo> have you any kwin rules setup?
[16:00] <ejay> clivejo: oh, yeah yeah. I set kwin rule to open EVERYTHING on primary screen. Still nothing.
[16:00] <ubuntourist> Whither has ktimezoned gotten to?  I'm running Ubuntu Studio, but have a handful of KDE apps. kalarm is now complaining that it cannot find ktimezoned after the wily (15.10) upgrade.
[16:00] <ubuntourist> Also, 'twould appear the channel topic is no longer accurate, since the URL for the FAQ redirects to the standard Ubuntu FAQ.
[16:01] <clivejo> could you have confused the primary screen?
[16:01] <ejay> clivejo: In settings I can choose primary screen and it's set to laptop screen.
[16:04] <clivejo> ejay: have you tried asking in #plasma?
[16:04] <ejay> clivejo: Nope, will try there. Thanks.
[16:04] <ubuntourist> Oops. Time flies when you're having fun.  I'm late for an event.  Gotta run. Will try to remember to re-ask later. Ta-ta.
[16:11] <ejay> clivejo: I've got a feeling that #plasma is not very active.
[16:12] <ejay> I remember asking on #kde but people are sleeping there.
[16:12] <clivejo> probably not today
[16:12] <clivejo> but maybe tomorrow when the devs are about
[16:14] <ejay> Oh, and another funny behaviour - applications made in java are shown in middle of both screens so one half is on primary and second one is on secondary. SMH.
[16:32] <lordievader> ejay: I found that gtk apps ignore my multi monitor settings too, but qt/kde apps open under the mouse pointer.
[16:42] <ejay> lordievader: in my case every app is ignoring any logic when trying to use double screen setup.
[16:42] <ejay> I can't believe it that I'm alone with this issue.
[16:44] <lordievader> Hmm, interesting it does ignore the undermouse setting. It opens on the screen in focus.
[16:45] <lordievader> Active screen follows mouse
[16:45] <lordievader> 'Active screen follows mouse' fixes that though*
[16:47] <clivejo> ejay: I use an app called JOSM which is written in Java.  It opens on which ever screen I open it from
[16:49] <ejay> clivejo: I'm using just one 100% java app and it's xmage (free MTG client) and it always open in middle of my screens.
[16:50] <clivejo> JOSM is 100% - https://josm.openstreetmap.de/
[16:50] <ejay> clivejo: at least I can see half of it so when I'm unpluggin' my second screen I can move it.
[16:50] <clivejo> ejay: is yours an upgrade on new install?
[16:50] <clivejo> or
[16:52] <ejay> clivejo: I installed 15.04 but plasmacrashes made my os unusable so I installed 15.10 beta and I'm using it till this day. It's basically up-to-date as it can be. Double screen setup never worked.
[16:52] <clivejo> what GPU's?
[16:53] <clivejo> there are problems with Intel I believe
[16:54] <ejay> clivejo: there were some issues with mesa and intel but I believe they fixed that.
[16:55] <clivejo> I dont believe it was fixed, rather turned off some features
[16:56] <ejay> clivejo: turned off features? Like double screen handling?
[16:56] <dave4925> did you rm -rf /
[16:56] <clivejo> I dont know
[16:56] <dave4925> cuz you are not supposed to do that
[16:56] <clivejo> I dont have any intel GPU's
[16:58] <clivejo> and I must say Plasma 5 has been very stable for me
[16:58] <clivejo> I broke it when I first started using it in 15.04, but that was my fault for "sudo dolphin"
[16:59] <clivejo> which you should never do!
[17:00] <ejay> clivejo: also - I don't thing so it is drivers related issue. I've made shortcut to move active window to screen 1 (my primary). And when using that shortcut on window that is on second screen it will be moved to first screen. So plasma know that screen 1 is primary and screen 2 is secondary. BUT! When I set rules in kwin to force to open windows on first screen they will go to second no matter what.
[17:03] <ejay> Yeah plasma5 is super stable if you are using internet browser. Try to work on it. When I'm running Atom, two browser, inscape, gimp and amarok (because working in silence is killing me) then man - plasma crash is just waiting for you.
[17:04] <clivejo> ejay: believe me I make it work for me!
[17:05] <clivejo> and it hasnt crashed in months
[17:05] <clivejo> even while testing the new builds
[17:05] <ejay> clivejo: hey, lucky you
[17:07] <lordievader> Plasma 5.4 crashes seldomly here.
[17:07] <lordievader> Granted I don't run Kubuntu.
[17:07] <lordievader> But I don't think Kubuntu's build differs much.
[17:09] <clivejo> Im encoding a video now in Kdenlive, several SSH connections out to remote machines and was watching a Amazon movie (several browser windows), Quassel for IRC, Skype, Kontact and few other things running in the background (dropbox, KDEconnect etc)
[17:10] <clivejo> all running seemless and stable
[17:11] <clivejo> oh and I have JOSM and a PostGRES database running
[17:11] <ejay> clivejo: so one happy user
[17:11] <clivejo> Im grump in general, but happy with Kubuntu
[17:12] <clivejo> I have a tractor which Im about to lose me temper with!
[17:14] <ejay> clivejo: I'm just tired of this bullshit. I need to work, not betatesting some buggy homework project. That's why I've moved from ArchLinux to Kubuntu but I guess that Kubuntu is run by monkeys because plasma5 in current state is... well, dissapointing.
[17:15] <SylvieLorxu> I run Plasma 5.4 on Gentoo, which works fine, aside from my taskbar crashing every few hours. It needs some fixes, yes
[17:15] <clivejo> ejay: I take offence at that.    It is way better than any of the alternatives I have used or am forced to use in my "day job"
[17:21] <BluesKaj> yup, still have 14.04 in my stable, so to speak ..my fav features still place there at least , plsama 5 doesn't do mucch for me
[17:22] <BluesKaj> bbl
[17:22] <clivejo> ejay: I understand you are frustated and have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what is wrong.  I suggest you try asking in #plasma tomorrow when the devs are about
[17:26] <clivejo> in the meantime try to gather up crash reports, put them on https://paste.kde.org/ so that when the devs are available, they can try and figure out whats wrong with your system.
[17:26] <ejay> clivejo: I'm not frustrated. I can't find any logic in latest kde/kubuntu decisions. I'm also concern about future of kubuntu. When they giving us something that is just not ready for people then they will stay in a shadow of Ubuntu becouse right now this piece fo poo wich is Unity is just eating alive plasma5. Or Mint with their DE - something that is way younger then whole kde.
[17:27] <ejay> And KDE4 were soo good (I mean, after a year or so).
[17:27] <clivejo> LOL I strongly disagree, Unity is NOTHING in comparsion to Plasma5!
[17:28] <ejay> But when you plug in second monitor in Unity it will work. So normal user will choose something that will work. In this case - Unity.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ejay, not unity, kde4
[17:29] <clivejo> ejay: when I plug in second and third monitor in Plasma 5 it works
[17:29] <ejay> BluesKaj: go to kubuntu site and try to download version with kde4
[17:30] <ejay> BluesKaj: sorry, nvm, ofc you can.
[17:31] <clivejo> ejay: http://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ is the 14.04 LTS download not working?
[17:38] <ejay> My point is - they will not expand with decisions like that. When any of my friends is asking me if they should get rid of windows and go full linux I can't say they should. Becouse windows is working and for normal user linux is just a pure frustration. Canonical is doing something to make it less frustrating but Kubuntu is goin in a wrong direction. I'm used to it becouse I'm sitting in this for almost 10 years. I just want to live a day when I
[17:38] <ejay> could say
[17:38] <ejay> "man, linux is the shit!".
[17:39] <ejay> But right now it's not even close.
[17:45] <denza242> I've experienced 0 problems with 2 screens
[17:45]  * denza242 shrugs
[17:49] <ejay> denza242: hey, that's cool. So when new user will come and ask - "guys, my double screen setup is not working", and you all gonna be "haha, u n00b, it is working for me", he will be like "wow, those linux neckbeards... screw that, I'm gonna buy win10".
[17:49] <ejay> BRAVO!
[17:50] <ejay> *slow clapping*
[17:50] <clivejo> ejay: decisions like what?  In my view Ubuntu is going in the wrong direction.    I have also sucessfully moved Windows users to Kubuntu
[17:52] <clivejo> but at least we have choice in the community, if you dont like it you are free to make it yourself, or employ someone to do the coding for you.  Or just move to a distro you do like
[17:55] <clivejo> ejay: if I could help you I would, but personally I have no idea what is going on in the cases you are describing.  I have tried to replicate them on my own Kubuntu 15.10 install and I cant see what you are saying.
[17:55] <soee> 3,5 weeks till Plasma 5.5 beta :)
[17:56] <soee> when it comes to multiscreen it work pretty good on my PC @ work (separate screens), and pretty good here at home - laptop -> tv (clone)
[17:56] <clivejo> soee: have you been following the conversation with ejay?
[17:57] <soee> i had some strange issues at first with my laptop, when TV was set as a primary screen by defautl and makes my laptop screen black, but after setting primary screen it works nice so far
[17:57] <soee> clivejo: nope
[17:58] <clivejo> soee: hes having problems with a two screen setup
[17:58] <clivejo> all his apps are opening on the second display
[17:58] <clivejo> and a java app is opening half on primary and half on secordary
[17:58] <soee> hmm my apps are bind to screen/activity at work, so they show up whee they should
[17:59] <soee> PhpStorm uses Java and opens on the right screen
[18:00] <clivejo> soee: have you ever seen this or can you suggest someone who can help him find a resolution ?
[18:00] <soee> i think BluesKaj is most experienced person here when we talk about multiscreen setup
[18:01] <clivejo> I dont think he was able to help
[18:01] <soee> ah, ok :/
[18:01] <clivejo> will martin be in plasma tomorrow?
[18:04] <soee> probably
[18:11] <viktor_> hey guys, i have a problem, in system settings->Drivers changed my vga driver from xserver-xorg-video-intel my desktop freez, and not loading in when i restart
[18:12] <viktor_> the system recommended it
[18:16] <soee> viktor_: you used propriety drivers ?
[18:18] <viktor_> idk, it was in the list what the system find
[18:18] <viktor_> any way to reset it from terminaL,
[18:18] <viktor_> ?
[18:18] <soee> what GPU do you have ?
[18:21] <viktor_> amd
[18:21] <viktor_> but its not boot in so i must reinstall
[18:22] <soee> ah i have no experiance with amd cards :/
[18:23] <BluesKaj> viktor_, system settings>driver manager>recommended driver. the gpu scan may take a few minutes
[18:24] <soee> BluesKaj: but i think he cant reach it as hes desktop freezez
[18:24] <soee> he wants do remove proriety drivers from command line
[18:25] <BluesKaj> ok soee guess I should have scrolled up
[18:25] <viktor_> i cant, its not boot in, at kubuntu subtitle freeze again
[18:26] <BluesKaj> subtitle freeze?
[18:26] <soee> you should go recovery mode  and as admin remove those drivers
[18:26] <soee> BluesKaj: i think plymouth
[18:27] <BluesKaj> or update and upgrade with the repair packages option
[18:27] <BluesKaj> in the recovery kernel
[18:39] <jonjp89> Kubuntu 15.10 is awesome
[18:43] <tumor> helou
[18:45] <jubo2> Hmmm... someone at MySQL AB decided to mention that "Warning: Using a password on the command line interface can be insecure."
[18:45] <jubo2> if someone happens to 'ps ax' when you are loading your .sql into the database they will see your password
[18:47] <addtru> Hi everyone!  Just a question... I am using kubuntu 14.04 LTS. Should i update to kubuntu 15.10.  I am interested in stability, on my main computer.  Ty!
[18:48] <lordievader> addtru: Then no. Wait for 16.04.
[18:49] <addtru> Thanks  <lordievader>
[20:13] <yossariauk> hi just yupgraded to 15.10  - its really an improvement for 15.04 in all ways - except one major annoyance - when you login now the task bar is grabled and it takes about 20 - 40 secs until the desktop loads now.
[20:14] <yossariauk> known bug?
[20:14] <yossariauk> (when it eventually loads the desktop the taskbar is no longer garbled)
[20:18] <rodolfojcj> hello again
[20:19] <rodolfojcj> I want you to see an image of an error I'm getting after upgrading to Kubuntu 15.10
[20:19] <pasjrwoctx> anyone know where to get help with digikam?
[20:23] <pasjrwoctx> Executable: digikam PID: 1884 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[20:23] <rodolfojcj> this is what I get after some minutes of using Firefox on Kubuntu 15.10 http://picpaste.com/horizontal-rows-display-screen-mess-kubuntu15.10-j0speqz7.png
[20:24] <rodolfojcj> does anyone have seen something like that?
[20:25] <yossariauk> rodolfojcj: what gpu?
[20:26] <yossariauk> intel?
[20:26] <rodolfojcj> intel
[20:26] <rodolfojcj> yes
[20:27] <yossariauk> ok - try this - system-settings -> display configuration -> compositor -> Tearing prevention (vsync) = set to 'never'
[20:27] <yossariauk> try that and see it is cures the issue?
[20:27] <yossariauk> you can always change it back
[20:27] <rodolfojcj> let me find that setting...
[20:28] <yossariauk> that fixed various graphically oddnesses I have on my work PC (intel) - when the graphics go 'odd' its like the closing scene from 2001....
[20:30] <rodolfojcj> I changed it. Now I'll open and use Firefox for a while (I switched to another web browser in the meanwhile)
[20:33] <rodolfojcj> it seems to work fine yossariauk
[20:37] <pasjrwoctx> can anyone help me with this? Executable: digikam PID: 1884 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) I keep getting when I try to exporta photo.
[20:38] <yossariauk> rodolfojcj: file a bug report with the solution....
[20:39] <yossariauk> is anyone else having a huge load time from login -> the desktop being ready?
[20:39] <yossariauk> 15.10
[20:40] <rodolfojcj> where could I file that bug report?
[20:40] <yossariauk> looks like a fair few people are having my issue.. > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3pwtq1/just_installed_kubuntu_1510_very_slow_login/
[20:40] <yossariauk> rodolfojcj: i'd possibly file against the intel driver package
[20:40] <pasjrwoctx> Yes Login Time Is Very Long, I boot up and go have coffee.
[20:41] <yossariauk> pasjrwoctx: do you have messed up graphics in your taskbar whilst it loads up?
[20:41] <rodolfojcj> what's the website to file bug reports?
[20:41] <yossariauk> (its fine when its fully loaded)
[20:42] <pasjrwoctx> No I do not
[20:42] <yossariauk> rodolfojcj: use cli - > ubuntu-bug [package]
[20:42] <yossariauk> (im at home so not on the intel gpu desktop
[20:42] <rodolfojcj> interesting! First time I hear about that command
[20:43] <yossariauk> slow login = this bug apparantely  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354230
[20:46] <yossariauk> rodolfojcj: also do you have mutiple monitior setup?
[20:46] <rodolfojcj> no, a single one
[20:46] <yossariauk> ok cheers
[21:01] <rodolfojcj> hey yossariauk, I agree with you that it seems to be a problem with Intel's chipset/GPU/hardware
[21:01] <rodolfojcj> because I'm seeing this entry in /var/log/syslog
[21:02] <rodolfojcj> "Oct 25 15:21:22 pc kernel: [  675.857173] drm/i915: Resetting chip after gpu hang"
[21:14] <rodolfojcj> thanks for your help yossariauk! Now I have my PC in a working state again :)
[21:41] <rodolfojcj> I'm again here
[21:41] <rodolfojcj> the bug about horizontal lines appearing in the screen is present again! :(
[21:42] <rodolfojcj> I changed the rendering method from OpenGL 2 to XRender and for now it's solved
[22:08] <lordievader> rodolfojcj: What graphics card and driver are you using?
[22:45] <rodolfojcj> I'm here again
[22:45] <bprompt_> tis  a dejavu`
[22:45] <rodolfojcj> lordievader, according to lspci, this is the graphic card: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)


[09:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Yakkety Final] has been updated (20161010)
[09:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop i386 [Yakkety Final] has been updated (20161010)
[13:48] <balloons> pitti, you about?
[13:49] <pitti> hey balloons! had a nice vacation?
[13:49] <balloons> pitti, indeed :-) Hurricane and all
[13:49] <pitti> urgh
[13:50] <pitti> balloons: everything okay with you and family?
[13:50] <balloons> pitti, it seems the rc3 packages still aren't in yakkety and are getting stuck on an autopkgtest. Could you have a look and lend some insight? Running on local machines and our test setup it passes, so we only see it in the builders
[13:50] <pitti> autopkgtest [14:39:37]: test future-manual-provider: [-----------------------
[13:50] <pitti> SKIP: Juju won't bootstrap unknown without published agent
[13:51] <balloons> pitti, ohh yes, quite fine. The hurricane never really struck land, stayed too far out to sea to affect us much
[13:51] <pitti> hm, that looked pretty straightforward to me
[13:51] <balloons> pitti, it's the lxd provider tests that get stuck: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-juju-core. We don't get anything beyond fetching juju agent
[13:51] <balloons> It's fetching from streams.c.c, but that should work
[13:52] <balloons> still it's my default answer as to why it's failing..
[13:52] <pitti> ah, so firewall issue; what is it trying to talk to?
[13:53] <pitti> balloons: I figure missing $*_proxy in the built lxc?
[13:53] <balloons> yea, I'm thinking it's the fact it's a container that might be the issue here
[13:54] <balloons> pitti, it wants to run apt and install stuff, and also grab from https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/agent/*
[13:55] <pitti> balloons: so how did that work earlier?
[13:55] <pitti> something needs to set the proxy in the LXD container
[13:56] <balloons> pitti, I'm not sure. It's a bit weird, but I think they did change those tests for the upload to deal with "bashisms". I saw that in the commit log
[13:56] <balloons> I'd have to look
[13:59] <balloons> pitti, if you are able, feel free to kill that run. The timeout is like 6 hours, and we know it won't pass now
[14:02] <pitti> ok
[14:03] <pitti> done
[15:11] <bdmurray> nuclearbob: Are you using the new ubuntu-release-upgrader now?
[15:15] <nuclearbob> bdmurray: I'll be getting on the vpn later, and I'll let you know then. I'm out most of today for the US holiday, I'm just at my computer doing other things :)
[15:25] <nuclearbob> bdmurray: new upgrade is in, jobs are green. Thanks!
[15:26] <bdmurray> nuclearbob_holid: great, thanks for looking


[11:40] <nellogiovane> hi
[11:41] <nellogiovane> my net is working but software center says that i can't download firefox because net is not working


[03:31] <IDWMaster> Hi. I'd like to vote to have Unity not send search data to Amazon by default.
[03:31] <IDWMaster> A number of my friends have been complaining about that being the default setting and are concerned about Ubuntu's direction because of it.
[03:34] <IDWMaster> The addition of:
[03:34] <IDWMaster> Amazon
[03:34] <IDWMaster> and Commercial apps in the Software Center
[03:34] <IDWMaster> has caused concern amongst a lot of people regarding Ubuntu's direction
[04:30] <TheLordOfTime> uh...
[04:30] <TheLordOfTime> isn't that only for the shopping lens?
[04:30] <TheLordOfTime> and I thought that was able to be disabled by hand?
[12:38] <AlanBell> gosh, voting has opened on that issue, I must have missed the memo
[12:39] <IdleOne> I vote we close the vote until am election has been announced.
[12:50] <IdleOne> welcome
[12:50] <AlanBell> PrincessLuna: hi
[12:50] <PrincessLuna> Hi
[12:50] <IdleOne> PrincessLuna: like you mentioned a banner on the home page would be IMHO a legal problem for Ubuntu/Canonical.
[12:51] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1040557
[12:51] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: Why?
[12:51] <PrincessLuna> AlanBell: I've seen that now
[12:51] <IdleOne> Samsung could turn around and say Ubuntu is damaging their reputation
[12:51] <AlanBell> I don't think it would be a legal problem really
[12:51] <AlanBell> nah, they did the damage themselves
[12:52] <IdleOne> right, but anyone looking to buy a Samsung laptop may google and land on the Ubuntu website and see "Samsung Sucks" paraphrasing of course
[12:52] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: Not a banner saying "Samsung is bad, boycott Samsung" but rather a notice saying "do not install on Samsung XXX because of bug XXX that may brick the laptop"
[12:52] <AlanBell> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22028.html
[12:52] <IdleOne> They added that info in the release notes which I think is sufficient if someone does a little research
[12:53] <IdleOne> PrincessLuna: unfortunately you got bit by the bug and found out to late :/
[12:53] <PrincessLuna> I'm pretty sure people will be bricking laptops for years to come because 12.04 is an LTS
[12:54] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: I knew that Ubuntu worked on other ultrabooks with identical specs so I thought it would be safe
[12:54] <IdleOne> if they do it'll be because they didn't do a little research
[12:54] <IdleOne> doesn't seem to be a hardware bug though
[12:54] <IdleOne> other machines with the exact same hardware may not have the same firmware
[12:54] <AlanBell> to be fair I would completely have fallen into that too and bricked my laptop
[12:55] <IdleOne> I never check the release notes either
[12:56] <IdleOne> gotta run out for milk :/
[13:00] <PrincessLuna> I checked the release notes, I think I read that issue but it didn't strike me that it affected that laptop as I was about to install. Wasn't even thinking about it.
[13:02] <AlanBell> :(
[13:02] <AlanBell> I think if you send the laptop back they should replace it
[13:05] <PrincessLuna> The problem is that he purchased this computer overseas. No warranty on it where I live.
[13:06] <AlanBell> hmm
[13:06] <AlanBell> blog it and tweet about it and make a fuss
[13:07] <PrincessLuna> lol
[13:07] <AlanBell> samsung should do a recall for this
[13:07] <AlanBell> not particularly because it is brickable via installing ubuntu or fedora
[13:08] <AlanBell> but this means that it is brickable by any software that wants to poke at that bit of memory
[13:08] <ubuntubhoy> they wont, same as with their phone bugs
[13:08] <jussi> PrincessLuna: seriously though, AlanBell is correct.
[13:08] <jussi> [15:06:47] <AlanBell> blog it and tweet about it and make a fuss
[13:13] <PrincessLuna> jussi: Haha don't have time for that. I have two options 1) Refund him 2) Give him my thinkpad twist (which is still shipping) when it arrives and use my netbook a bit longer as main computer :(.
[13:19] <AlanBell> maybe contact a local samsung dealer and ask them what to do
[13:19] <AlanBell> but blogging it would really be a good idea
[13:21] <PrincessLuna> And how would blogging it help?
[13:22] <IdleOne> unhappy customers making a fuss == possible loss of profits. They would rather give you a free laptop and show the potential customers "what a nice" company they are
[13:23] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: Only problem is that it isn't my laptop!
[13:23] <IdleOne> I guess you're out of options.
[13:23] <IdleOne> wait.
 maybe contact a local samsung dealer and ask them what to do
[13:25] <AlanBell> if it is written up somewhere we can direct a ton of attention on it, from canonical and more importantly samsung
[13:25] <AlanBell> they really don't like negative publicity
[13:26] <AlanBell> PrincessLuna: doesn't matter that it isn't your laptop
[13:26] <AlanBell> in fact that makes it a more interesting story
[13:26] <IdleOne> you're the voice of the "oppressed " Speak loud so you can be heard!
[13:27] <IdleOne> or be herded
[13:27] <PrincessLuna> Ok got it booting Windows 7. Removed battery and Cmos battery then put them back and its working. That's a relief!
[13:28] <AlanBell> wasn't that problem at all then
[13:28] <PrincessLuna> Now I just have to give it back tomorrow.
[13:28] <AlanBell> when the samsungs are bricked they are dead
[13:29] <PrincessLuna> AlanBell: Really? I read this http://www.anandtech.com/show/6713/samsung-laptops-bricked-by-booting-linux-using-uefi and the last part encouraged me to try this
[13:29] <AlanBell> ooh, interesting
[13:29] <AlanBell> that would be a good thing to add to bug 1040557 then
[13:31] <PrincessLuna> Anyway, problem solved. I'm not installing Ubuntu on this.
[13:31] <AlanBell> fedora too
[13:32] <Tm_T> hmm
[13:32] <AlanBell> or don't use uefi mode
[13:32] <PrincessLuna> Linux kernels with the samsung driver enabled in general. I'll tell him to use virtualbox if he wants
[13:33] <PrincessLuna> AlanBell: Not worth the risk, also if he rests bios/EFI settings to defaults it might re-brick
[13:33] <PrincessLuna> resets
[13:33] <AlanBell> true
[13:37] <PrincessLuna> Hopefully my ultrabook won't have these problems. But its a thinkpad so I think it should be safe.


[02:52] <zul> hey
[02:58] <BenC> yo
[03:01] <Mithrandir> hi dude
[03:06] <fabbione> hey
[03:09] <mxpxpod> zul: ping
[03:26] <Nafallo> morning all!
[03:27] <Nafallo> I just recivied a complaint on hoary from jabber :-P. will breezy kernel-panic when the computer has an Adaptec 2110S stuck in?
[03:34] <Nafallo> the user will try with the breezy preview.
[04:03] <Nafallo> same problem with breezy
[04:23] <jbailey> Nafallo: Does it work on any other version of linux, or is it just us that sucks? =)
[04:24] <Nafallo> jbailey: debian and knoppix kan handle it :-)
[04:24] <jbailey> Joy. =)
[04:24] <jbailey> When does it panic?
[04:25] <Nafallo> jbailey: I have part of the panic at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2184
[04:28] <Nafallo> on boot, it finds the card, starts scanning for discs, panics.
[04:29] <jbailey> Nafallo: Do you know which kernel module is being used on Debian/ knoppix?
[04:30] <jbailey> It would be interesting to see if there are two drivers competeing and we're just selecting the wrong one.
[04:30] <jbailey> I'm assuming that he installs fine?
[04:32] <Nafallo> dpt_i2o seems to be the same driver on all kernelns he have tried yet.
[04:32] <Nafallo> knoppix 2.6-kernel, almost vanilla 2.6.11 and 2.6.9 from morphix.
[04:38] <Nafallo> is i2o patched in our kernel? it seems the problem lays in i2o_core from that partial panicmessage.
[04:40] <Nafallo> should be an old patch in that case. hoary didn't work either ;-)
[04:41] <jbailey> Mithrandir is our i2o god. =)
[04:41] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:41] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: awake? ;-)
[04:44] <zul> mxpod: pong
[04:44] <zul> meh..
[04:44] <Nafallo> zul: hi! :-)
[04:45] <Nafallo> zul: what do you feel about adding rt2570 to our kernel?
[04:45] <Nafallo> (the usb-version of rt2500)
[04:47] <fabbione> hmmmm
[04:47] <Nafallo> morning fabbione :-)
[04:48] <fabbione> scsi seems to be oopsorama...
[04:48] <fabbione> i get a scsi crash here too
[04:48] <fabbione> but on another controller
[04:49] <Nafallo> same error as http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2184
[04:49] <Nafallo> ?
[04:50] <fabbione> no
[04:50] <fabbione> it's a different one
[04:50] <Nafallo> joy :-P
[04:50] <Nafallo> works on my scsicontroller anyway ;-)
[04:51] <fabbione> oh it's not a stopper for me
[04:51] <fabbione> because it's a combo scsi + lan card
[04:51] <fabbione> and i wanted to use only the LAN (intel)
[04:51] <fabbione> instead of a crappy 8139 that can't make more than 40Mb/s
[04:51] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:53] <zul> Nafallo: probably not in breezy i been told alread
[04:53] <zul> already
[04:53] <Nafallo> zul: oki :-)
[04:53] <fabbione> breezy is basically closed...
[04:53] <fabbione> consider breezy as bug fixing only
[04:54] <fabbione> BenC: when do you plan to upload 8.13 ?
[04:54] <fabbione> we got a lot of good response on the SATA fix
[04:54] <Nafallo> oki :-). like those scsi-bugs then ;-)
[04:54] <fabbione> (i had to roll out a test kernel for a few people)
[05:01] <zul> which sata fix?
[05:02] <zul> otherwise known as toronto
[05:02] <fabbione> zul: the one that BenC applied to 8.13.. libata race foo bar
[05:02] <zul> ah ok
[05:03] <zul> i have to update tonight..i been working so much with real work i  havent had a chance for ubuntu stuff recently
[05:12] <BenC> fabbione: today
[05:12] <fabbione> BenC: ah cool
[05:13] <BenC> gonna start trying to do an upload a week
[05:13] <BenC> maybe two
[05:13] <BenC> fabbione: did you ever commit the configs you said you were?
[05:13] <fabbione> configd?
[05:13] <fabbione> configs??
[05:13] <BenC> s/configs/abis/
[05:14] <fabbione> i did commit sparc...
[05:14] <fabbione> you told me you were going to take care of the others...
[05:14] <fabbione> but if you need others, just tell me
[05:14] <fabbione> given this might be the last kernel we upload, we can take a couple of hours more to build
[05:18] <BenC> I did i386 and I have ppc
[05:18] <BenC> so I need to get amd64 and ia64
[05:19] <fabbione> you have access to halley for ia64
[05:19] <BenC> sparc was the one I remember you saying you would get
[05:19] <fabbione> yes
[05:19] <fabbione> what about hppa?
[05:19] <fabbione> lamont?
[05:19] <BenC> idle 2.3 hours
[05:20] <BenC> ocfs is in the repo
[05:20] <BenC> I need to add a couple of more patches, and then I can start some builds
[05:24] <fabbione> BenC: ok..
[05:24] <fabbione> i will collect the ABI from hppa...
[06:01] <BenC> fabbione: do you know chuck's repo url?
[06:06] <zul> hey BenC...im back..
[06:07] <zul><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:08] <zul> BenC: i was in toronto the last couple of days so i have to commit my stuff tonight
[06:10] <BenC> was doing an upload today
[06:10] <BenC> btw, I have the sky2 driver in now, which alleviates the need for a mod'd sk98lin driver
[06:10] <zul> sweet..
[06:10] <zul> sorry havent been really active lately..work takes precedence
[06:10] <BenC> do you have anything important enough to be in today's upload?
[06:11] <zul> not really..
[06:11] <BenC> no problem, just want to make sure none of your work goes to waste :)
[06:11] <zul> heh :)
[06:11] <BenC> ok, I'll sync up with you for the next upload
[06:11] <zul> yeah that would suck
[06:31] <Mithrandir> jbailey: pong
[06:43] <BenC> ok, I've got builds going
[06:43] <BenC> lunch time
[07:20] <fabbione> BenC: sorry i am a bit late.. lost connectivity with the hppa
[07:24] <zul> did we change that printk about the ide message that jbailey had?
[07:26] <zul> i know i can be any more vague
[07:27] <BenC> I didn't know which message he was talking about
[07:27] <BenC> I did get the audit printk though
[07:27] <BenC> fabbione: not doing an upload yet, so still time
[07:27] <zul> uh...ill check..
[07:27] <fabbione> BenC: i just started the building..
[07:29] <zul> fuck it...i dont remmeber
[07:29] <fabbione> BenC: did you actually push all <IP_ADDRESS> in?
[07:31] <BenC> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:32] <zul> BenC:  printk(KERN_ERR "%s: ports already in use, skipping probe\n",
[07:32] <BenC> zul: ok, thanks
[07:46] <jbailey> Mithrandir: mmm.  Did I hint what I pinged about?
[09:10] <fabbione> BenC: i have the ABI...
[09:10] <fabbione> as soon as i can ssh....
[09:10] <fabbione> damn connection is slow to death today
[09:14] <fabbione> BenC: they are in my ~ on chinstrap and rookery
[09:14] <fabbione> md5sum hppa*
[09:14] <fabbione> 6fdcea618b99a6f7673a9a0a86641d84  hppa32
[09:14] <fabbione> 83dbecef0e8cf7e97ba0898c7202bceb  hppa32-smp
[09:14] <fabbione> 417814f19115af3d20202e21b3b5d105  hppa64
[09:14] <fabbione> 0cbc78b292ef8bc2b6421ee6bd761e16  hppa64-smp
[09:14] <fabbione> sorry but i still don't have my ws back with all the sources and exports...
[09:14] <fabbione> it should be up by tomorrow
[09:14] <fabbione> i finally found the problem
[09:26] <fabbione> BenC: <IP_ADDRESS> was released as stable the same day .13 come out
[09:26] <fabbione> so it was a fast release that disappeared in the shadow
[09:26] <fabbione> but it has bug fixes
[09:26] <fabbione> you can get it from git.. i am sure
[09:29] <Mithrandir> jbailey: i2o
[09:29] <Mithrandir> jbailey: I'm going to get a shot at debugging all our i2o stuff in a few days to a week, as we're freeing up that machine for testin
[09:30] <Mithrandir> +g
[09:38] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: yay! :-) tell me if you need to the person reporting it. I trust you to understand swedish ;-).
[09:42] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I've got i2o hw myself, or at least access to it, once in a while.
[09:42] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: oki, same failure?
[09:48] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I'm not sure what failure you're seeing; if you look for i2o in the bugzilla, you'll see a couple of bugs filed by me basically just requesting support for i2o in the installer and grub.
[09:53] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2184 <-- this one?
[09:55] <Mithrandir> nope, my i2o stuff is working fine.
[09:55] <Mithrandir> but I'm on amd64 which means no i2o_dpt, just i2o_block
[10:03] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: I'll forward him to you later then ;-)
[10:03] <Mithrandir> please do
[10:20] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Sweet!
[11:00] <zul> whoa...what the hell
[11:00] <zul> ah..nm
[11:03] <zul> night
[11:03] <BenC> fabbione: ok
[11:05] <BenC> fabbione: I grabbed the hppa abi's, so you can just get rid of them on your end
[11:07] <BenC> fabbione: ping
[11:53] <Mithrandir> BenC: it's almost midnight here; he'll probably be around in five to six hours
[11:58] <BenC> ok


[05:15] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/silence-yui-build/+merge/157272
[05:18] <wgrant> StevenK: Why not make it a proper make rule?
[05:18] <StevenK> Oh?
[05:19] <wgrant> StevenK: Can't you just skip extracting a version if it's already extracted?
[05:23] <StevenK> -		$(RM) -r $(JS_BUILD_DIR)/yui-$$V; \
[05:23] <StevenK> +		[ -d $(JS_BUILD_DIR)/yui-$$V/yui ] && continue; \
[05:23] <StevenK> wgrant: ^ ?
[05:23] <wgrant> StevenK: Probably, unless you want to rewrite it to use make properly.
[05:24] <StevenK> That may print out No such file or directory for clean trees
[05:24] <StevenK> wgrant: I'm up for that, since that part of the Makefile shits me, I'm just not sure how to.
[05:24] <wgrant> Why?
[05:24] <wgrant> -d shouldn't print anything
[05:39] <StevenK> wgrant: So having a target for build/js/yui-VERSION: sounds like a good plan, but I can't get make to do that for me
[05:40] <wgrant> StevenK: $(JS_BUILD_DIR)/yui-%:?
[05:41] <StevenK> wgrant: Well, I'd like a target for each version
[05:41] <wgrant> StevenK: That is a target for each version
[05:41] <StevenK> But it won't expand for 3.3.0 and 3.5.1
[05:42] <wgrant> Won't it?
[05:42] <wgrant> You'll need another rule to depend on the targets for the two versions
[05:43] <wgrant> That's what YUI_BUILDS is
[05:44] <StevenK> Right
[05:55]  * StevenK stabs make
[05:55] <StevenK> The directory exists, so skip the rule!
[06:57] <StevenK> wgrant: The MP is updated
[06:57] <StevenK> See what you think of that
[07:03] <StevenK> The changes are happy with a clean build and a build that already has a build/js
[07:05] <wgrant> StevenK: Why the YUI_TWO change?
[07:05] <wgrant> I guess it does clean up the console output a lot, and we never change it
[07:05] <wgrant> But you can use digits in identifiers :)
[07:05] <StevenK> wgrant: Because I was sick of it making and copying every directory under yui_2.../build
[07:06] <StevenK> I can change the identifier to YUI2 if you wish
[07:06] <wgrant> Or YUI2_BUILD or something
[07:07] <wgrant> StevenK: Why'd you remove it from the comboloader?
[07:07] <wgrant> Do we not comboload YUI2?
[07:08] <StevenK> That is not the comboloader
[07:08] <StevenK> Compare the makefile rule versus combo-rootdir
[07:08] <wgrant> It's the thing that makes code available to the comboloader
[07:09] <wgrant> Isn't it?
[07:09] <StevenK> They do the exact same thing, except that combo-rootdir's looks like it will make build/js/yui2/build rather than build/js/yui2/asset and friends
[07:10] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5678948/ for matching goodness
[07:12] <StevenK> wgrant: It used to be, until rick did his horrible multiple YUI versions thing and then the makefile and combo-rootdir started doing it
[07:12] <wgrant> StevenK: What copies them into the comboloader root, then?
[07:12] <wgrant> Or does it just get symlinked...
[07:12] <wgrant> I can't remember
[07:13] <StevenK> wgrant: The make rule YUI_BUILDS will unpack them into the comboloader root
[07:13] <StevenK> combo-rootdir will make a symlink to the default version, and populate build/js/lp
[07:14] <StevenK> wgrant: A further clean up would be to destroy combo-rootdir and do it all in make
[07:15] <wgrant> And then the comboloader grabs it from the symlink in /srv, which points directly at build/?
[07:15] <StevenK> build/js, yeah
[07:16] <StevenK> /srv/launchpad.dev/convoy -> /home/steven/launchpad/lp-branches/silence-yui-build/build/js
[07:16] <wgrant> Right
[07:16] <wgrant> Hm
[07:16] <wgrant> So combo-rootdir is now basically nothing
[07:16] <StevenK> No
[07:17] <StevenK> Like I say, it makes the symlink and populates build/js/lp
[07:17] <StevenK> Those can be moved into make with a bit of fiddling
[07:17] <wgrant> Basically nothing :)
[07:17] <wgrant> Yeah, probably worth doing that in a followup
[07:17] <wgrant> Seems silly to have it split
[07:18] <StevenK> I'm happy to leave this branch until Monday and finish the split
[07:18] <wgrant> Sounds reasonable. Won't be much work
[07:18] <wgrant> Will be much cleaner


[13:42] <Ekushey> hi raysaas
[13:47] <raysaas> hello
[13:49] <raysaas> hello Ekushey
[13:49] <Ekushey> what brings you here, raysaas?
[13:51] <raysaas> M new here. Of-course Ubuntu brings me here.
[13:52] <Ekushey> are you a member of our mailing list or facebook group?
[13:52] <raysaas> May be not. Plz mention them. I wanna to be member.
[13:53] <Ekushey> type /topic
[13:55] <raysaas> thanks. M new here. So I couldn't understand.
[13:56] <Ekushey> just type this: /topic
[13:56] <Ekushey> and you'll get the links
[13:58] <Ekushey> got them raysaas?
[13:59] <raysaas> ya. thanks again.
[13:59] <Ekushey> np
[14:04] <raysaas> I m facing problem like shutdown suddenly with ubuntu 13.10 after installing in Dell Vostro 1450 laptop, but couldn't find out why. Where can I get help. Would u plz mention me?
[14:05] <Ekushey> you can't shutdown?
[14:18] <raysaas> Laptop shuts down suddenly.....
[18:02] <Ekushey> raysaas: hello again
[18:02] <Ekushey> sorry i had to go
[18:02] <Ekushey> are you still around?
[18:03] <Ekushey> are you experiencing this shutdown issue only from ubuntu?
[18:12] <raysaas> yap
[18:14] <raysaas> My collegues are diverting to ubuntu day by day. I installed ubuntu on one of their Dell laptop but crashes frequently, even though I repaired the boot.
[18:16] <raysaas> There is also a message:
[18:16] <raysaas> acpid= exiting
[18:16] <raysaas> and something like /etc/default/speech-dispatcher disabled.
[18:17] <raysaas> please check the paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6607674/
[18:18] <Ekushey> hmmm
[18:18] <raysaas> I aslo tried by enabling speech-dispatcher RUN=no.
[18:18] <Ekushey> how much RAM does this laptop has?
[18:18] <Ekushey> speech dispatcher is not a problem
[18:19] <raysaas> but there is no sound. Dell Vostro 1450
[18:19] <Ekushey> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201104-7890/components/
[18:19] <Ekushey> this laptop is certified by ubuntu
[18:20] <Ekushey> kindly try using 13.04
[18:20] <Ekushey> i think that should solve the problem
[18:20] <Ekushey> once 14.04 is out, upgrade...
[18:20] <Ekushey> 14.04 will be a LTS release
[18:21] <Ekushey> sorry for the trouble 13.10 is causing, this shouldn't happen
[18:21] <raysaas> 13.04 is better than 13.10 ?
[18:22] <Ekushey> the x.10 releases can be troublesome sometime... 13.04 should work out fine
[18:22] <Ekushey> give it a try
[18:22] <Ekushey> before install, try the live mode for an hour or so
[18:22] <Ekushey> or longer
[18:22] <Ekushey> if you don't face any issues, install it
[18:22] <raysaas> I tried 12.04 also. but its horrible on that laptop although its certified.
[18:22] <raysaas> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201104-7889/
[18:23] <Ekushey> not sure why you're having a bad experience, i haven't heard people complaing about laptop in quite some time now
[18:24] <Ekushey> this is what i used to hear like 5-10 years ago when support for laptops wasn't that great
[18:24] <Ekushey> please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntubd/ and post your questions there, as there are many more volunteers over there
[18:25] <Ekushey> here, usually 2-3 of us hang out and not that active
[18:25] <raysaas> RAM= 2GB. I think something wrong with installation process. But I couldn't understand.
[18:26] <Ekushey> did you create swap partition?
[18:26] <Ekushey> make sure you have a 4gb swap partition
[18:26] <raysaas> ya. 7 GB swap area.
[18:27] <Ekushey> 4 gb is sufficient
[18:27] <Ekushey> twice the amount of your RAM
[18:27] <raysaas> But I am confuse swap whether swap would be Primary or Logical partition.
[18:28] <Ekushey> logical is fine
[18:28] <raysaas> Thanks swap amount idea.
[18:29] <Ekushey> np
[18:30] <raysaas> Would plz tell me how can I check RAM size in ubuntu?
[18:30] <Ekushey> type free -m on shell
[18:30] <Ekushey> or free -h
[18:34] <Ekushey> did you join on fb?
[18:35] <raysaas> A long time ago I joined fb page.
[18:35] <Ekushey> ok
[18:37] <raysaas> Thank for Terminal commands. Where can I learn these type of useful commands?
[18:41] <Ekushey> https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-bangladesh/useful-linux-command/10151670005022217
[18:57] <raysaas> thanks again for the detailed list of commands
[18:57] <Ekushey> np
[18:57] <Ekushey> :)
[19:01] <raysaas> I also fall in troubles using different type of internet usb modems. Is there any graphical modem manager for ubuntu?
[19:01] <Ekushey> not aware of one
[19:02] <Ekushey> but asking on the fb group would be best
[19:02] <Ekushey> i never used any usb modems so not the best person to answer
[19:03] <raysaas> ok. thanks. Why do u people generally use this IRC for?
[19:03] <Ekushey> generally hanging out
[19:03] <Ekushey> just a point of presence
[19:03] <Ekushey> irc is not popular in bangladesh
[19:04] <Ekushey> atleast no longer now
[19:05] <raysaas> Actually for the first time I m using IRC. U r the entity with whom I talked first over an IRC. I have really learned a lot in a short time.
[19:06] <Ekushey> ah nice, my pleasure :)
[19:06] <Ekushey> i'm using irc for 15 years now :)
[19:07] <Ekushey> back then this is how we made new friends (also girlfriends)
[19:07] <Ekushey> but now there is facebook and so many other ways like cellphones :P
[19:13] <raysaas> 15 years? Can I ask u slightly personal questions here? About ur profession?
[19:17] <Ekushey> i'm a linux system admin
[19:18] <Ekushey> i also do web development
[19:18] <raysaas> Wow. M really glad to meet u.
[19:19] <raysaas> Plz specify ur skill sets or Specialization. I have questions to ask u if u allow me.
[19:24] <Ekushey> you may take a look here: http://russelljohn.net/services.php
[19:24] <Ekushey> off for 15 minutes...
[19:24] <raysaas> Specially I wanna to know about ur programming skills. Ok.
[19:36] <Ekushey> back
[19:37] <Ekushey> for web, i use PHP
[19:37] <Ekushey> but i know many other langauges, though don't use them these days
[19:44] <raysaas> M a beginner of PHP. But struggling with it's learning carves. hah ha ha
[19:45] <Ekushey> do you know C?
[19:47] <raysaas> ya. I know ABOUT C , studied as possible about C, but didn't write a single code ! hah ha ha


[04:47] <pwnguin> damn bryce
[04:48] <pwnguin> i guess tagmail is my punishment for ignoring wacom
[05:54] <tjaalton> pwnguin: nonsense, those bugs are assigned to me ;)
[05:57] <tjaalton> two exams left this week, hopefully I'll be able to update wacom to support intuos4 after that..
[09:59] <Ng> bryce: downgrading mesa did indeed get me working compiz after resume, as you suggested :)
[10:00] <seb128> Ng, you got compiz to freeze after resume?
[10:01] <seb128> I'm wondering if I didn't get the same issue, my xorg was frozen after resume yesterday
[10:01] <Ng> seb128: yes, I tried several suspends over the course of the last couple of days and it happened every time
[10:02] <Ng> I've had one crash where X was completely dead after resume, but the other times it was just compiz and restarting it blindly with alt-f2 (at the suggestion of hyperair) resurrected things
[10:02] <seb128> I got it twice so far but I didn't suspend a lot since I upgraded
[10:02] <Ng> I suspend at least twice a day ;)
[10:02] <seb128> thanks for the hint in any case
[10:02] <seb128> I suspend often but I just came back from vac
[10:02] <seb128> and I had alt-tab freezing compiz issues so I downgraded thing for a while
[10:03] <seb128> until a fixed linux deb came to test which fixes that
[10:03] <tseliot> Ng: did you file a bug report about the regression in mesa?
[10:03] <seb128> and yesterday I noticed the suspend issue
[10:03] <Ng> yeah that stuff is weird, I've not seen any other compiz hangs from alt-tab or whatever, it was just resume
[10:03] <Ng> tseliot: bryce seemed to think it was one that's already filed, but I'll happily file another
[10:04] <tseliot> Ng: ok, if bryce said so, I'm sure it was already filed ;)
[10:05] <Ng> I hope it's an easy fix somewhere, X has been almost perfectly stable in karmic otherwise for me. I think I've had maybe 3 actual real hangs since I upgraded weeks and weeks ago, until this mesa thing
[15:44] <tormod> bryce: I wonder if ati KMS is fscked in stock Karmic, see bug 410058
[15:47] <tormod> maybe we need to push a new libdrm anyway and rebuild the -ati. see xorg-edgers for a libdrm 2.4.13.
[16:05] <tseliot> tormod: do you refer only to libdrm-radeon1 or also to the drm in the kernel?
[16:06] <tormod> in the kernel?
[16:06] <tseliot> yes
[16:08] <tseliot> so you were referring to the user space component
[16:09] <tormod> gotta run!
[16:14] <Q-FUNK> would anyone remember which file in X server core defines PCI manufacturers with individual video drivers?
[16:16] <Q-FUNK> öö.. defines the match between ID and driver
[16:16] <jcristau> hw/xfree86/common/xf86<mumble>.c
[16:17] <jcristau> also, grep.
[17:13] <Q-FUNK> jcristau: would you have a minute to examine a patch?  my C skills *are* limited and your guidance would be appreciated.
[17:13] <jcristau> not right now, sorry
[17:13] <Q-FUNK> ok
[17:14] <jcristau> but, email works.
[17:14] <Q-FUNK> ok, I'll do that
[17:17] <Q-FUNK> jcristau: sent.
[19:12] <jcristau> Q-FUNK: not sure what's the point of including amd in there
[19:13] <Q-FUNK> mostly for backward-compatibility.
[19:13] <jcristau> looks fine otherwise
[19:13] <Q-FUNK> not essential, though, indeed
[19:13] <jcristau> backwards compat with what? a driver that doesn't support current servers? :)
[19:14] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/423866
[19:14] <Q-FUNK> hmm.. good point :)
[19:14] <Q-FUNK> I've attached a simpler patch for X 1.4 there, also
[19:14] <Q-FUNK> and a slightly cleaner version of what I mailed you
[19:15] <Q-FUNK> bug #423866
[19:15] <Q-FUNK> erm... right
[19:20] <Q-FUNK> jcristau: I also just noticed that cyrix and nsc no longer ship with ubuntu.  we'd probably need to skip that part of the changes.
[19:21] <Q-FUNK> do I assume that whatever wasn't matched by a specific driver in that file falls back to vesa?
[19:21] <jcristau> yeah
[19:24] <Q-FUNK> right, so in that case we'd only need the GX2 part added
[21:24] <mac_v> bryce: for Bug 397839 , you added the ATI in the description , is it because it is *now* not fixed in ATI alone ?
[21:24] <CShadowRun> hi, my friend told me that he configured his multi display setup with ubuntu's built in config, on an nvidia card, i assume that means nvidia and xrandr play nice in karmic?
[21:25] <bryce> mac_v, no it's an automatic script that adds that stuff to bug descriptions.  No particular significance to that.
[21:26] <mac_v> oh ;) ... thanks
[21:30] <mac_v>  i have a doubt about the $xset command.... i was using $xset s 300 for the screensaver problem , now i'm not sure how to reset the time to default , $xset reset is for something different, do i just to an $xset s 600 ?
[21:35] <tormod> mac_v it is reset if you log out
[21:38] <mac_v> tormod: hmm... but previously the screen blanking bug was occurring at 10 mins but after i used the xset command it started happening at 5mins , so i thought this was the cause...
[21:38] <mac_v> good to know i didnt mess up ;)
[21:38] <mac_v> thanks
[21:39] <bryce> yeah the blanking (or non-blanking) bug still persists.  power management seems really screwed up on my hardware
[21:41]  * mac_v started having burn-ins :(
[21:44] <tormod> power management is spread out between way too many packages and independent developers...
[22:17] <Q-FUNK> bryce: do you think that we could get the patches at bug #423866 merged for at least karmic?
[22:23] <bryce> Q-FUNK, comment #5 implies the patch was updated but isn't attached.
[22:25] <Q-FUNK> bryce: erm. right. correct.  any tool you can recommend to refresh the patch in a more efficient manner than copying the original all over again, patching that, removing the extraneous content, then diffing again?
[22:25] <bryce> that sounds like about how I'd have to do it
[22:26] <Q-FUNK> quilt seems ot be able to perform all sorts of backflips on patches, but I haven't quite figured out how to use it.
[22:27]  * bryce nods
[22:27] <hyperair> man quilt!
[22:28] <hyperair> i only ever use push, pop and refresh though
[22:28] <hyperair> and add
[22:37] <Q-FUNK> bryce: updated
[22:38] <Q-FUNK> bryce: I might still add nsc and cyrix to the 1.4 patch for Hardy, but the 1.6 patch can pretty much go as-is for karmic.   for jaunty, it can go too, but it would have to go in at the same time as a geode with cherry-picked GX2 fixes.
[22:40] <Q-FUNK> I'm currently narrowing down what could be the bare minimum changes we'll need to apply to -geode in jaunty before we can safely apply that X server patch.
[22:42] <Q-FUNK> in karmic, though, we already have the latest upstream geode, which no longer crashes on GX2 hardware.


[00:34]  * mwhudson lunches
[06:18]  * mwhudson EODs
[08:06] <adeuring> good morning
[09:01] <jml> good morning
[09:01] <jml> I would like inline commenting on merge proposals please.
[09:01] <noodles775> :)
[09:11] <mrevell> Morning!
[09:32]  * jml frowns
[09:32] <jml> I had somehow removed launchpad-developer-dependencies.
[09:34] <wgrant> bigjools: So, since cprov disappeared rather unexpectedly, I guess I should talk to you about the ddeb stuff at some point.
[09:35] <bigjools> wgrant: yeah, I guess.   how are you doing?
[09:36]  * jml out grabbing food.
[09:38] <wgrant> bigjools: I haven't done anything on it lately. The next step is to link the ddebs to their debs at upload time. I recall we last time got into a bit of a war about nullable references vs. link tables... But I think the actual implementation should be pretty easy, now I know how most of nascentupload works.
[09:38] <bigjools> okay
[09:38] <bigjools> nullable FK is fine here
[09:39] <bigjools> my main concern is making sure we don't miss any code that does stuff with binaries
[09:40] <wgrant> Right.
[09:40] <bigjools> I hope most of it can be encapsulated in the bpph class
[09:42] <wgrant> I imagine it will have a property that gives a list of publications to drag along.
[09:42] <wgrant> But ISTM that it would be a bit evil to have BPPH.remove() (or whatever it is) silently drag along a ddeb.
[09:42] <bigjools> well more than that, I want to make sure the operations themselves are all done in the model class
[09:43] <bigjools> why?
[09:43] <wgrant> Removing and deleting packages would then operate on some binaries without telling anybody.
[09:44] <bigjools> that's precisely what we want
[09:44] <wgrant> But I guess that's reasonable if you consider the DDEB to really be part of the DEB.
[09:44] <bigjools> yes, they're joined at the hip
[09:45] <wgrant> I was thinking that they would at least have to be exposed in NBS, but I guess that's not the case if we in fact have the new DEB also supersede the DDEB.
[09:46] <wgrant> (otherwise an orphaned DDEB would be left around in the case that a binary ceased to have a DDEB)
[09:46] <bigjools> yep
[09:46] <bigjools> this is why I think it should be all done in the publishing class
[09:47] <wgrant> Now that I realise they needn't even be seen in NBS, it seems reasonable to hide them entirely.
[09:47] <bigjools> but we'll need to audit the code to check for anything that is cheating and not using methods on the class to change things
[09:47] <wgrant> Right.
[09:52] <wgrant> I hope and presume it's reasonable to reject an upload if it contains an orphaned DDEB, but I must check that with distro folks...
[10:43] <jml> hey
[10:43] <jml> wasn't there a patch a few days ago to make merge proposal status editable in the same way as every other editable thing in Launchpad?
[10:43] <jml> allenap, hello
[10:44] <allenap> jml: Hello
[10:46] <jml> allenap, would you like to have a chat today about ec2 & what-not.
[10:48] <allenap> jml: Yes, that would be great. After lunch, say 1330?
[10:48] <deryck> Morning, all.
[10:48] <jml> allenap, perfect.
[10:48] <allenap> jml: Great :)
[10:48] <allenap> Morning deryck :)
[10:49] <mwhudson> jml: i think rockstar said it failed tests
[10:49] <mwhudson> jml: good morning btw
[10:51] <jml> mwhudson, hello.
[10:51] <jml> mwhudson, you were right about codeimport pagetests failing, btw :)
[10:55] <mwhudson> jml: i'm glad my crystal ball is still operational
[10:55] <mwhudson> (not that it required much clairvoyance to see that one coming)
[11:01] <jml> heh
[11:04] <jml> mwhudson, I'll look at the branching ubuntu diff now while you're online
[11:04] <allenap> mwhudson: I've done the paperwork for jscheck-maturity (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/lpbuildbot/jscheck-maturity/+merge/12914) - is it worth trying this out in the staging buildbot? And are the LOSAs the people to talk to about it?
[11:05] <jml> IBranchNamespaceSet's API needs to be cleaned up.
[11:16] <allenap> mwhudson: Also, did you shepherd the buildbot upgrade last week, or should I look into that?
[11:37] <mrevell> allenap: Hi
[11:37] <allenap> mrevell: Hello.
[11:41] <wgrant> bigjools: Any preferences for the BPR column name?
[11:42] <bigjools> wgrant: ddeb_package ?
[11:43] <wgrant> bigjools: I was going to go the other way, but OK.
[11:46] <mwhudson> allenap: i did not
[11:48] <allenap> mwhudson: Do you plan to? If not, should it be reasonably straightforward?
[11:48] <allenap> For me to do.
[11:49] <mwhudson> allenap: it would be good for you to do it
[11:49] <mwhudson> allenap: particularly as spm isn't around this week
[11:50] <allenap> mwhudson: So, if I understand correctly, spm has context for this, so I should do it next week with him?
[12:54] <jml> kiko, good morning.
[12:54] <kiko> morning jml
[12:54] <kiko> how are you doing?
[12:56] <jml> kiko, well thanks :)
[12:56] <jml> I still can't get your phone to work though, because everyone in the world is ganging up on me to prevent me from having a phone of any kind.
[12:56] <jml> it's fate.
[12:57] <kiko> jml, what happened to it? that's sad.
[12:58]  * bigjools reboots after update
[12:58] <jml> kiko, the phone is physically ok. but O2 won't take my money, or my bank won't give it to them, or something.
[12:58] <kiko> jml, you should have taken my prepaid
[12:59] <jml> kiko, I should have.
[13:00] <kiko> it even had credit!!!
[13:30] <jml> allenap, ping
[13:30] <allenap> jml: pong
[13:31] <allenap> jml: Just getting skyped up
[13:32] <allenap> jml: I'm gavinpanella on Skype.
[13:33] <jml> allenap, added.
[14:23] <gary_poster> BjornT: hey.  we missed our call
[14:24] <BjornT> gary_poster: indeed. when are you free today?
[14:25] <gary_poster> BjornT: mm, could make a 10 minute call in 15 or 20 minutes.  Would that work for you?  I'm booked after that till your EOD, I think.
[14:26] <BjornT> gary_poster: yes, that would work for me. ping me when you're ready
[14:26] <gary_poster> BjornT: cool, will do
[14:33]  * jml gets food.
[14:47] <gary_poster> BjornT: ping
[14:47] <BjornT> gary_poster: hi
[14:48] <BjornT> gary_poster: https://dev.launchpad.net/TechnicalArchitect
[17:02] <allenap> abentley: Have you taken the "Approved" status away from merge proposals? I can't set https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/lpbuildbot/avoid-deadlock/+merge/12921 to approved, nor can gmb.
[17:02] <abentley> allenap: No.  Are you on the reivew team?
[17:03] <abentley> allenap: It says "community" beside gmb, so he's definitely not.
[17:03] <allenap> abentley: I don't know. I did look earlier to see if I was able to set the review team, but I guess I don't have the evil to do it. The reviewer defaults to ~launchpad-pqm.
[17:04] <abentley> allenap: The review team for ~launchpad-pqm/lpbuildbot/trunk is launchpad-pqm.
[17:05] <jml> maybe the page should say "Members of ~FOO can approve this merge proposal for landing." even with an edit link.
[17:05] <allenap> abentley: Is that a per-branch or per-project property?
[17:06] <abentley> allenap: it is a per-branch property, on the target of the merge proposal.
[17:07] <abentley> jml: Yes, now that review team is more than a default, it should be indicated.
[17:07] <abentley> jml: I'd worry that an edit link would not make it clear that all merge proposals for ~launchpad-pqm/lpbuildbot/trunk would be affected by the change.
[17:08] <allenap> abentley: Are you able to set it for lp:~launchpad-pqm/lpbuildbot/trunk and .../staging? If so, please could you set it to ~launchpad? I can't edit those branches.
[17:08] <jml> abentley, good thought. perhaps the edit dialog could make that clear.
[17:10] <abentley> allenap: done.
[17:10] <allenap> abentley: Thank you :)
[17:20] <jml> how do I call a python function from a template?
[17:21] <allenap> jml: "python: function()" <-- is that what you're looking for?
[17:22] <jml> allenap, yeah, that's it :)
[17:22] <allenap> jml: Cool. Btw, no-arg functions will be called in TAL expressions too.
[17:23] <jml> allenap, yeah. I discovered that to my chagrin.
[17:23]  * jml dislikes that feature.
[17:25]  * jml sneaks in a bit of naughty hacking.
[17:27]  * jml afk.
[18:05] <jml> how do I interrupt a page test and start that version of Launchpad in my browser
[18:11] <jml> any clues?
[18:14] <bac> jml: is that barry's 'stop' trick?  or is that for doctests?
[18:15] <jml> bac, it might be...
[18:15] <jml> bac, what's barry's stop trick?
[18:15] <bac> jml: https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging
[18:16] <jml> bac, thanks.
[18:16] <bac> i thought barry might come around and discuss it if we mentioned barry enough times.
[18:16] <jml> that's ok. I think I can figure it out from here.
[18:16] <barry> whuh?
[18:16] <jml> barry barry.
[18:17] <barry> jml: https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging
[18:17] <jml> barry, thanks. :)
[18:18] <barry> np :)
[18:18] <jml> should I keep saying "barry"?
[18:18] <barry> jml: please!  i don't hear that boing! sound enough
[18:19] <jml> heh :)
[18:22] <barry> jml: of course, getting kicked and reconnected generates about a dozen of them, so i try to do that often
[18:22] <jml> :D
[18:24]  * jml frowns.
[18:25] <gary_poster> abentley: I'm writing a quick email to the Zope group about bzr 2.0.  do I understand correctly that we don't yet have a release with Ian's work on the cross-platform line ending normalization?
[18:26] <abentley> gary_poster: I don't think that's correct.  I think it's implemented, but still a work-in-progress.
[18:27] <gary_poster> abentley: oh, ok, so it works in 2.0 with quirks? (no need to specify said quirks if I get the gist, unless you have them on-hand)
[18:27] <abentley> gary_poster: I think so, but I haven't been following closely enough to be certain.
[18:28] <gary_poster> abentley: cool  thank you.  I'll try to find the pertinent bug and go from there.
[18:31]  * rockstar lunches
[18:42] <jml> mwhudson, I'm guessing you aren't awake yet.
[19:00] <jml> g'night all.
[19:00] <jml> mwhudson, fwiw, the question is about code import authorization & branch ownership & how they interact.
[19:26] <lifeless> jml: gnight
[20:01] <gary_poster> barry: Is much Python run before mm_cfg.py?  Specifically, will sys.modules be populated with any imports?
[20:03] <barry> gary_poster: in a way it depends.  mm_cfg.py will almost always be the first Mailman package that gets loaded.  when mailmanctl is used though, sys, os, time, getopt, signal, errno, pwd, grp, socket are all loaded first
[20:04] <gary_poster> barry: hm.  do you have a second to talk on Skype, so I can get your opinion on _pythonpath change?  Will try to be fast
[20:06]  * gary_poster wants barry to have time to switch us to Mailman 3
[20:07]  * barry wants that too!
[20:07]  * gary_poster figgered :-)
[20:09] <jamalta> is it ok if i update the url to the rocketfuel-setup script in the "Get the source code page" to  ?
[20:09] <jamalta> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/annotate/head%3A/utilities/rocketfuel-setup
[20:09] <jamalta> the current url doesn't work..
[20:10]  * jamalta isn't even sure if he can update the wiki
[20:10] <beuno> jamalta, it does work
[20:10] <beuno> codebrowse is a bit flaky at the moment
[20:10] <jamalta> beuno: really? odd.. it's not working for me
[20:10] <jamalta> ah ok! understood
[20:10] <beuno> so that URL may fail sometones
[20:10] <beuno> sometimes
[20:10] <beuno> wow, that was an interesting typo
[20:11] <jamalta> lol
[20:11] <jamalta> also just realized that the url i pasted wouldn't be correct either
[20:11] <beuno> I clicked on that URL, and it works just dine
[20:12] <jamalta> yeah, but that's more than just the rocketfuel-setup
[21:01] <rockstar> Do we have any documentation on what each testing layer provides?  I'm wondering if I'm really using the best layer for my test.
[21:11] <kfogel> leonardr: ping
[21:21] <leonardr> kfogel, hi
[21:23] <kfogel> leonardr: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpadlib/426323-apidoc-html-title-attrs/+merge/12442 -- barry asks a question that you might be able to answer, in his review.
[21:23] <kfogel> leonardr: I'm basically ready to merge, depending on whether tests are needed for this sort of change.
[21:23]  * barry is otp
[21:24] <leonardr> kfogel, i'm looking
[21:24] <kfogel> leonardr: thx
[21:25] <kfogel> barry: (no need to chime in, I just mentioned your name in passing)
[21:36] <leonardr> kfogel, comment added
[21:40] <kfogel> leonardr: if my primary goal is to just land the thing, would you say that's okay to do?  (I think your suggestions about tests are very sane, but at the same time... this isn't code, and I don't want to spend a lot of time writing tests if they're not really needed.)
[22:08] <leonardr> kfogel: yeah, just land it
[22:09] <kfogel> leonardr: that's what I think too :-)
[22:20]  * mwhudson hadn't edited a page test for a while ....
[22:20] <mwhudson> gosh, the ate
[22:20] <mwhudson> ^h
[22:20] <kfogel> leonardr: can I put you down in "[r=barry, leonardr]" in this?
[22:23] <leonardr> kfogel, sure
[22:26] <kfogel> leonardr: thx.  Landed.
[22:26] <jml> ec2 land!!!1!
[22:26] <kfogel> jml: ?
[22:26] <jml> oh wait, it's not launchpad.
[22:26] <jml> never mind.
[22:26] <kfogel> jml: did you just use ec2land to land a change to ec2land?
[22:27] <jml> kfogel, no, although I used it to land itself.
[22:27] <kfogel> jml: btw, that open merge proposal on launchpadlib you asked me about earlier?  It's landed now.  (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpadlib/426323-apidoc-html-title-attrs/+merge/12442)
[22:27] <jml> kfogel, cool.
[23:00] <mwhudson> heh heh
[23:00] <mwhudson> doing bzr diff -r 3 when you meant diff -r -3 is a bit surprising
[23:02] <wgrant> Particularly when you're on a slow remote SSH session.
[23:02] <mwhudson> it actually was quite quick, considering
[23:03] <mwhudson> a million lines of diff in 8 seconds
[23:03] <wgrant> Not bad.
[23:03] <mwhudson> yeah
[23:03] <mwhudson> wouldn't get that from packs, i bet
[23:23] <mwhudson> what's the fix for TypeError: a float is required with python2.6 and httplib2 ?
[23:37] <wgrant> mwhudson: Use the packaged one.
[23:37] <mwhudson> wgrant: i think i am
[23:38] <wgrant> mwhudson: That was patched mid-Jaunty.
[23:38] <mwhudson> hm
[23:38] <mwhudson> wgrant: i have 2.6.2-0ubuntu1
[23:38] <wgrant> Anyway, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23324641/python-httplib2_0.4.0-0ubuntu1_0.4.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[23:38] <wgrant> mwhudson: It's a seperate package. python-httplib2
[23:38] <wgrant> 0.4.0-0ubuntu2 is fixed.
[23:38] <mwhudson> oh
[23:38] <wgrant> But you might be using an egg.
[23:39] <mwhudson> not in this case
[23:39] <mwhudson> hm i have 0.4.0-1
[23:39] <mwhudson> where did that come from, i wonder
[23:39] <wgrant> apt-cache policy python-httplib2
[23:40] <mwhudson> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/287375/ ?
[23:40] <wgrant> If that doesn't show anything useful, I guess check /usr/share/doc/python-httplib2/changelog.Debian.gz
[23:41] <wgrant> Hmm.
[23:41] <wgrant> What does the changelog say?
[23:41] <mwhudson> wgrant: 0.4.0-1 seems to be from hardy
[23:41] <mwhudson> python-httplib2 (0.4.0-1) hardy; urgency=low
[23:41] <mwhudson>   * Build a single package for all architectures as it's arch-indep.
[23:41] <mwhudson>  -- Launchpad package maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:33:49 -0300
[23:42] <wgrant> Gnargh.
[23:42] <matsubara-afk> after updating to karmic, I'm getting a ImportError: No module named tickcount when I try to make run. is this known?
[23:42] <wgrant> ~launchpad's PPA for Hardy has a broken version string.
[23:42] <wgrant> Too late now.
[23:42] <wgrant> mwhudson: apt-get install python-httplib2/karmic
[23:42] <mwhudson> wgrant: ah
[23:43] <mwhudson> wgrant: i'm still on jaunty, but i can figure out the change :)
[23:43] <wgrant> matsubara-afk: `apt-cache policy python-tickcount`
[23:44] <matsubara-afk> wgrant, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/287377/
[23:44] <wgrant> matsubara-afk: You don't have the ~launchpad PPA in your sources.list?
[23:45] <wgrant> The dist-upgrader could well have disabled it.
[23:45] <matsubara-afk> wgrant, oh! you're right! let me check and thanks!
[23:46] <wgrant> matsubara-afk: Might not fix it (Karmic seems to have the same version as Jaunty), but we'll see.
[23:46] <matsubara-afk> wgrant, btw, is there a easy way to renable everything I have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
[23:46] <mwhudson> wgrant: thanks
[23:47] <wgrant> matsubara-afk: Not really. The "easiest" way might be to check lots of checkboxes in System » Administration » Software Sources.
[23:50] <matsubara-afk> wgrant, ok, re-enabled the ppas and now am running a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade. that should do it, right?
[23:51] <wgrant> matsubara-afk: As long as you also s/jaunty/karmic/ in each PPA line.
[23:51] <matsubara-afk> wgrant, yes, they were already updated to karmic by the dist upgrade but kept commented out
[23:52] <wgrant> matsubara-afk: Ah, right.
[23:52] <wgrant> matsubara-afk: You should be fine, then.
[23:52] <matsubara-afk> ok, bunch of python packages coming from ppa.launchpad.net, so let's wait and see :-)
[23:52] <matsubara-afk> thanks wgrant
[23:53] <wgrant> np