[10:34] <zeroflag> fenrig: then you're probably wrong. but why are you following instructions that are meant for ropiku?
[10:34] <ropiku> "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly"
[10:34] <zeroflag> ropiku: you have to copy it.
[10:34] <zeroflag> ropiku: x86 or x64?
[10:34] <ropiku> x86
[10:35] <zeroflag> ropiku: then it should be in /lib/grub somewhere on live.
[10:35] <fenrig> cause xipietopec or something told me to do this
[10:35] <zeroflag> ropiku: try locate stage1
[10:35] <fenrig> i mean not to follow what u say but
[10:35] <fenrig> ah just take a look back
[10:36] <ropiku> zeroflag: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1 ok?
[10:36] <zeroflag> ropiku: you have to copy stage1, stage2 and the stage files for your / and /boot (if it's a partition) partitions to /boot/grub (in the chroot)
[10:36] <zeroflag> ropiku: sounds about right.
[10:36] <Chetwin> Okay, all of a sudden today my volume controls on the outside of my laptop started only adjusting the pcm volume.  It use to operate the master.  Any ideas on how to fix this???
[10:36] <ropiku> zeroflag: I have an ext3 sda3 for all my /
[10:37] <zeroflag> ropiku: should be e3fs_stage1_5 or something.
[10:37] <fenrig> can somebody please help me
[10:37] <fenrig> ??
[10:37] <zeroflag> ropiku: copying everything from that folder is usually a safe bet. :P
[10:37] <zeroflag> fenrig: with what?
[10:38] <fenrig> zeroflag: with my fsck error
[10:38] <zeroflag> I only started using ubuntu 3 days ago about restating the issue might get you more answers. :P
[10:39] <fenrig> :(
[10:40] <CarinArr> ropiku: what are you actually trying to do?
[10:40] <zeroflag> fenrig: post the question again. I don't know your problem.
[10:40] <ropiku> CarinArr: I want to reinstall my grub
[10:40] <CarinArr> ropiku: why?
[10:41] <ropiku> ropiku: Because I installed other OS that rewrote the MBR
[10:41] <CarinArr> not being funny just checking;)
[10:41] <CarinArr> okay
[10:41] <CarinArr> then do:
[10:41] <ropiku> ok ;)
[10:41] <CarinArr> hang on you using live cd?
[10:41] <ropiku> yes
[10:41] <CarinArr> right
[10:41] <ropiku> can't boot into ubuntu
[10:41] <CarinArr> open terminal
[10:41] <CarinArr> do sudo grub
[10:42] <ropiku> i tried grub-install in chroot but didn't work
[10:42] <CarinArr> and in the grub prompt, type find /boot/grub/stage1
[10:42] <ropiku> (hd0,2)
[10:42] <CarinArr> right
[10:42] <ropiku> that's right, my / is sda3
[10:42] <CarinArr> then type root (hd0,2)
[10:43] <ropiku> works
[10:43] <ropiku> and setup ?
[10:43] <CarinArr> okay then
[10:43] <CarinArr> setup (hd0)
[10:43] <ropiku> it says ok ;)
[10:43] <CarinArr> then quit
[10:43] <CarinArr> and try to reboot
[10:43] <ropiku> ok, thank you
[10:43] <ropiku> hope it works ;)
[10:43] <CarinArr> welcome, fingers crossed:)
[10:44] <crazy_bus> I enabled composite in xorg like you said.  But after rebooting X wouldn't load and I was left at a black screen where I could type but nothing else would happen.  I had to delete the composite part in xorg just to load kubuntu again.  What should I do?
[10:44] <zeroflag> CarinArr: can you help me too? I forgot how to recompile my nvidia drivers and I don't know what nvidia-glx-new contains. :P
[10:45] <zeroflag> crazy_bus: any X errors when starting?
[10:46] <crazy_bus> I dont see any messages.  Just the splash.  The splash bar loads nearly to the top then disappears then it appears empty.  Then it dissapears leaving me on a blank empty screen
[10:46] <fenrig> well when i boot ubuntu checks for errors on to the root filesystem and i guess it gets one major error, so it goes in maintenance mode and it asks for the root pasword and i give it, then it says that i doesnt has apt and it prompts me to do apt-get install apt (were is the AI) then it goes into root terminal and i can go into my terminal but then i cant do anything but when im in my terminal i see that apt is indeed installed i can even use
[10:48] <fenrig> crazy_bus: if u can get into ur parition then search for /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look if u have to change things that arent right and chane ur driver in the section device to vesa
[10:48] <zeroflag> crazy_bus: nvidia drivers?
[10:48] <fenrig> and try again
[10:48] <fenrig> zeroflag: i have told u my problem
[10:48] <EmxBA> check this http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15193/
[10:48] <EmxBA>  EOF during value of field `Package' (missing final newline)
[10:48] <crazy_bus> yes.  Nvidia legacy drivers
[10:48] <fenrig> zeroflagl: can u help me
[10:48] <zeroflag> fenrig: now I can at least tell you that I have no idea. :P
[10:49] <fenrig> :(
[10:49] <zeroflag> fenrig: sure that your bootloader is set up properly? that you don't boot in recovery?
[10:49] <CarinArr> zeroflag: uhm.. why dont you try just installing nvidia-glx-new?
[10:49] <zeroflag> crazy_bus try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:50] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: hang on
[10:50] <CarinArr> before you do that
[10:50] <fenrig> zeroflag:  does booting in recovery help me and yees i dont boot into recovery
[10:50] <EmxBA> I can't install or do anything related to packages :)
[10:50] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: check your /var/log/Xorg.O.log
[10:50] <zeroflag> fenrig: well, that explains why you don't get into gnome/kde. :P
[10:50] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: that should give you a better idea of what the problem is
[10:51] <zeroflag> hold on, that does NOT explain it.
[10:51] <crazy_bus> I already posted my Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf here before.  After seeing them I was told to enable composite.  But doing so didnt work
[10:51] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: can you paste me the links for those posts?
[10:51] <zeroflag> what is composite supposed to do?
[10:52] <zeroflag> *_#^YDHFSJSDAKWJERHDARGL
[10:53] <CarinArr> ?
[10:53] <crazy_bus> sorry.  It was an hour ago in this channel.  And I've restarted since them so konversation doesnt have a log.  I'll look in my history for the pastebins
[10:53] <zeroflag> "Unless your chipset is explicitely listed in the nvidia-glx-new description..." from the nvidia-glx-new description...
[10:53] <zeroflag> ARGH
[10:53] <crazy_bus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15185/
[10:53] <crazy_bus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15188/
[10:54] <CarinArr> okay will have a look
[10:54] <CarinArr> zero, what card do you have
[10:54] <zeroflag> 8800 GTS.
[10:55] <zeroflag> hold on, there are chips listed in the descriptin...
[10:55] <zeroflag> of the cards which DON'T need it. >_<
[10:55] <zeroflag> "older GeForce"
[10:55] <CarinArr> zeroflag: you should use the new
[10:55] <zeroflag> very specific!
[10:56] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: right, let's see
[10:56] <zeroflag> CarinArr: I just hope it's compatible with my X module because everything before -new was utterly useless.
[10:57] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: do you have: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" in your xorg.conf?
[10:58] <CarinArr> i.e. is that what you added earlier?
[10:58] <crazy_bus> I think it was false
[10:59] <CarinArr> try adding it just after your default depth in the screen section
[10:59] <CarinArr> with true rather than false
[11:00] <zeroflag> CarinArr: isn't nvidia-glx-new supposed to upgrade my kernel? O_o
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> zeroflag: no
[11:01] <zeroflag> >_<
[11:01] <zeroflag> what DOES upgrade my kernel?
[11:01] <CarinArr> a kernel upgrade..
[11:01] <crazy_bus> the reason that started changing composite was this error with glxgears not working::    Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".     Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[11:01] <zeroflag> CarinArr: as module-assistant does?
[11:02] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: yes, but your error in your Xorg.0.log says that it can't load glx because of composite
[11:02] <CarinArr> so allowing them both at once might solve the problem
[11:03] <CarinArr> also, if you don't have a wacom, you might want to comment out the wacom sections in your xorg.conf, there's no point in them throwing up errors every time you start xorg
[11:04] <zeroflag> enough is enough. I'll use the nvidia package...
[11:06] <bh> networking is kind of broken on my system as of the last upgrade
[11:06] <rj_> Where would ubuntu load it's firmware from ? there is not /usr/hotplug/firmware in feisty
[11:06] <CarinArr> oh dear.. i just did that upgrade but haven't rebooted;)
[11:06] <bh> there seems to be an interaction problem with the gnome network applet and ifconfig/dhclient/ifup and friends
[11:06] <rj_> (i'm compiling my own custom ipw2200 + injection)
[11:06] <CarinArr> but there was a libnm update
[11:08] <slackern> quick question, is the sensors package still the standard way of reading temperatures, i remembered reading somewhere quite some time ago about some other project but i might be wrong.
[11:10] <crazy_bus> how do you find what your default depth is in kubuntu?
[11:10] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: it should be in your xorg.conf
[11:11] <crazy_bus> do I tab Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" so its in line with the with the Default depth line?
[11:11] <CarinArr> well you can do for neatness but i don't think it makes a difference
[11:11] <CarinArr> is your default depth 24?
[11:11] <crazy_bus> yes
[11:12] <CarinArr> actually it is in your pasted xorg.conf so i'm assuming so:)
[11:12] <crazy_bus> I've pasted it in.  Should I restart and see if it works now?
[11:13] <richb> crazy_bus: xdpyinfo will tell you also.
[11:15] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: yeah try restarting the x server
[11:19] <CarinArr> busfahrer: a google search gives you like thousands of results for that
[11:19] <CarinArr> er wrong window:)
[11:19] <busfahrer> CarinArr: it's OK ;-)
[11:19] <CarinArr> lol
[11:20] <CarinArr> now that's handy
[11:20] <CarinArr> in both channels
[11:20] <crazy_bus> thank you so much.  It works now.  Although I still get a freeze after restarting x then logging on
[11:21] <AlexC_> Oh so the RC is out! nice :P
[11:22] <dystopianray> AlexC_: no, only an RC candidate
[11:22] <AlexC_> Release Candidate candidate?
[11:22] <dystopianray> basically
[11:22] <otix> Did the Gnome Network applet (nm-applet) break for anyone else with yesterday's update?
[11:22] <AlexC_> dystopianray: whats the point in that :P
[11:23] <dystopianray> AlexC_: it's nothing official, it's just a snapshot that is being tested and may possibly become the RC release
[11:23] <AlexC_> dystopianray: I see ... is it worth me getting that, or waiting until the RC?
[11:23] <AlexC_> I guess any updates from this RCC willbring me to RC and then to Final
[11:23] <dystopianray> AlexC_: I'd wait till the RC, although there may be no changes
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexC_: RC is today
[11:24] <AlexC_> Admiral_Chicago: yeah I know :P it's what I'm hunting for ... any estimation as to when it's released?
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> no idea, i expect to be asleep by then
[11:24] <AlexC_> lol
[11:25] <rj_> anyone got ipw2200 with injection working??
[11:25] <frying_fish> injection?
[11:25] <dystopianray> rj_: you patched the ipw2200 for packet injection support?
[11:25] <rj_> packet injection while in monitor mode
[11:26] <rj_> dystopianray, trying but can't compile ipw2200 (iee80211 source) causes it to error
[11:26] <dystopianray> rj_: what patch are you using?
[11:26] <dystopianray> rj_: doesn't it compile without the patch?
[11:27] <bh> networking is completely wacked out in fiesty
[11:27] <rj_> no it dosnt compile without the patch
[11:27] <bh> dhclient doesn't work as expected
[11:27] <rj_> dystopianray,  hang on, i will get ipw and injection patch versions
[11:27] <dystopianray> rj_: where did you get the patch from?
[11:28] <rj_> dystopianray, hang on
[11:29] <bh> wtf ?
[11:29] <rj_> ipw2200-1.1.3-inject.patch               prism54-svn-20050724.patch
[11:29] <rj_> ipw2200-1.1.4                            rtl8180-0.21v2.patch
[11:29] <rj_> ipw2200-1.1.4-inject.patch
[11:30] <rj_> dystopianray, there in the aircrack-ng svn checkout
[11:30] <CarinArr> AAAAAAAASFLKJAGLK was testing something with my nvidia driver to see if i could help, and managed to crash it
[11:30] <CarinArr> \o/
[11:30] <dystopianray> rj_: ok, well what error are you getting when you try to compile?
[11:30] <CarinArr> anyhow, back to business
[11:30] <dystopianray> bh: what is the problem exactly?
[11:31] <rj_> dystopianray, after placing iee80211 source in /usr/src
[11:31] <rj_> and running the make command on ipw2200 driver
[11:32] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: when you say it hangs, does it freeze the computer completely or can you still open a terminal using ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3 whatever
[11:32] <rj_> mkdir -p /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions
[11:32] <rj_> cp /usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/*.mod /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions
[11:32] <rj_> cp /usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/../Modules.symvers /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4
[11:32] <rj_> cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/../Modules.symvers': No such file or directory
[11:32] <rj_> make: [modules]  Error 1 (ignored)
[11:32] <rj_> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/build M=/home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4 MODVERDIR=/home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions modules
[11:32] <rj_> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic'
[11:32] <rj_>   CC [M]   /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/ipw2200.o
[11:32] <rj_> /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/ipw2200.c: In function ipw_led_link_
[11:32] <rj_> oh crap
[11:32] <CarinArr> aaack
[11:32] <CarinArr> !pastebin
[11:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:32] <rj_> ya, sorry. didnt mean to post that
[11:32] <CarinArr> heh
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: what does apt-cache rdepends mplayer tell you
[11:34] <crazy_bus> I froze the mouse and everything that was loading.  It didnt try cntrl+alt+f1 or anything else
[11:34] <xipietotec> Admiral_Chicago: http://rafb.net/p/X1C9PC95.html
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a sec
[11:35] <jack_deltrino> Will Opera be available in the repositories for feisty?
[11:35] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: sorry i meant apt-cache show mplayer
[11:35] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: if it happens again, try it and see if you can get into a terminal so you can view the Xorg.0.log
[11:36] <otix> What's up with the networking after the last update?
[11:36] <CarinArr> i thought opera was commercial?
[11:36] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: Is that a problem?
[11:36] <crazy_bus> unfortunaly when it froze ktorrent was loading.  So now ktorrent uses 100%cpu when loading and wont stop until you get to a terminal and killall it
[11:36] <xipietotec> http://rafb.net/p/KNBkDF71.html Admiral_Chicago
[11:37] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: yeah.. a lot of the time that's the reason why apps don't end up in the repositories
[11:37] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: Since when has this started happening? It's in deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main (just pulled that from a working setup)
[11:38] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: that's not an official ubuntu repository though
[11:38] <CarinArr> you'll likely find it in ubuntu repositories, just not the official ones
[11:39] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: The reason behind that being...?
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: will you email all that to me, i'm dead tired. its 4.30 am here
[11:39] <xipietotec> certainly, notice me your email =)
[11:40] <pollyo> Hello
[11:40] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: i think it's part it goes against ubuntu's general philosophy, part copyright issues
[11:40] <pollyo> Looking for somone who might have a suggesting as to how I might be able to recover my system.
[11:41] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: But canonical is the parent company is it not? (I might not have the wording down pat, but you know what I mean)
[11:41] <zeroflag> great...
[11:41] <Aldante_Fax> Is there anything regarding installing Azureus on feisty?
[11:41] <zeroflag> the only thing that really works for installing nvidia drivers is my script! \o/
[11:41] <otix> Aldante_Fax: the version from the repo works great for me
[11:41] <pollyo> Is there any way to reinstall the base feisty system? (in this case kubuntu) if you messed up your configuration?
[11:42] <zeroflag> envy fails, apt/synaptic fails, packages fail, nvidia script fails...
[11:42] <zeroflag> just ridiculous.
[11:42] <pollyo> Some way from the live CD and without having to destroy your home directory?
[11:42] <crazy_bus> how do I free dpkg without a reboot.  I cant use it or apt because I get this error dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[11:43] <otix> pollyo: is your home directory in the root filesystem?
[11:43] <jack_deltrino> crazy_bus: Wait for apt-get and/or dpkg then?
[11:43] <zeroflag> crazy_bus: kill the running apt/dpkg process.
[11:43] <pollyo> otix: I have everything on one partition.
[11:43] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: well, i'm not 100% sure about opera as such.. i just know a lot of the times commercial apps don't end up in the official repositories, some patented stuff doesn't, weird ly copyrighted things don't.. and then there're legislation issues in some countries and ubuntu doesn't want to differentiate between releases for different countries
[11:43] <pollyo> otix: Except the swap.
[11:43] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: Makes sense.
[11:43] <crazy_bus> I have nothing open that used dpkg.
[11:44] <zeroflag> pollyo: delete everything and run debootstrap. :P
[11:44] <bh> This totally doesn't respect the /etc/networking/interfaces file
[11:44] <otix> pollyo: it is better if you put /home on a separate partition.  if you can't do that, be sure to have a good backup.
[11:44] <bh> why does dhclient and ifdown/ifup do something totally different with the network interfaces ?
[11:44] <jack_deltrino> otix: I went over this with pollyo in another channel. I think he really just wants a direct answer to his question.
[11:44] <CarinArr> you'll find the same with stuff like the w32codecs, skype etc
[11:44] <pollyo> otix: Do you know how I can delte everything but my home directory?  Then resize the partition easily?
[11:45] <otix> bh: I am also seeing weirdness with the little Network panel applet
[11:45] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I'm 30 days into using linux.
[11:45] <CarinArr> bh: dhclient is just for dhcp
[11:45] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yes, you told me this already...?
[11:45] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I need a little hand holding if possible.
[11:45] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yeah, I know, that's what I was telling otix. Others were giving you workarounds.
[11:45] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I'll be the first to admit I made some dumb choices here.
[11:45] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Some of which were clearly useless and irrelevant to what you said.
[11:46] <CarinArr> bh: normally dhclient is invoked as part of ifup if you use dhcp, but other stuff is done "before" so to speak
[11:46] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I apologize if I am getting snappy. I am not in any position to get that way.
[11:46] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Nor do I wish to be that way.
[11:47] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: I don't think you realize what I was doing. I understand your frustation and I was trying to tell people to just answer your question instead of providing workarounds. I can't be any clearer than that.
[11:47] <cypherdelic> OMFG IMHO if you call this what i recently got from your update server, MORE or LESS stable and this will be your FINAL im OFF ubuntu!!
[11:47] <bh> otix, yeah, there's been a bug report filed against it and I've tried to remove that applet, what is the package call just to verify that I removed it ?
[11:47] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Yes.  Thank you.
[11:47] <jack_deltrino> cypherdelic: Threats don't really solves anything.
[11:47] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: leave then.
[11:47] <jack_deltrino> solve even.
[11:47] <cypherdelic> come on
[11:47] <bh> CarinArr, it's totally wacked out. it's getting a dhcp response from an interface that doesn't exist
[11:47] <otix> bh: I'm trying to find a bug on launchpad.  no luck yet
[11:47] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: that wasn't really a constructive way to start a conversation;)
[11:48] <pollyo> I have a few questions.  Can qtparted easily resize ext3 paritions?
[11:48] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: Yes im sorry, im having a bad day
[11:48] <CarinArr> bh: !pastebin
[11:48] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yes. That's something I expect you, even if you're new to get flamed for ;)
[11:48] <cypherdelic> and lots of annoying bugs
[11:48] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: That's on available on Google.
[11:48] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: then report them ...
[11:48] <bh> CarinArr,  eh ?
[11:48] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: <grin> Ok
[11:48] <CarinArr> bh: sorry.. lazy way of asking to see whatever you get;)
[11:49] <bh> paste it where ?
[11:49] <cypherdelic> AlexC_ where? do you wanna listen?
[11:49] <AlexC_> !launchpad
[11:49] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[11:49] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: If I had a backup I woulnd't be concerned with getting verification from the community.
[11:49] <bh> !pastebin
[11:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:49] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: what are the actual problems?
[11:49] <cypherdelic> AlexC_ i need to register, i dont like that ;)
[11:49] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: do you like anything today? :P
[11:49] <CarinArr> pollyo: how much stuff do you need to back up?
[11:49] <pollyo> 2. Is there an easy way to delete everything on the partition BUT the home directory?
[11:50] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: I don't blame you. Although, if you were using BSD, you'd get in the habit of making tons of partitions.
[11:50] <pollyo> CarinArr: 70Gig
[11:50] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic: no my girlfriends going crazy already
[11:50] <CarinArr> pollyo: ouch.. and no secondary storage available?
[11:50] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: On a qtparted level, as far as I know, no.
[11:50] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: The files could be laid out any which way in the filesystem, you never know.
[11:50] <SpAc> Just got up and running on Feisty, it's working great so far
[11:50] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: the gnome shutdown panel applet doesnt work right for me
[11:50] <pollyo> I have the partition mounted now from the liveCD
[11:50] <bh> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15197/
[11:50] <pollyo> I can delete stuff from the terminal.
[11:51] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: Beryl is buggy
[11:51] <bh> that's completely out there
[11:51] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: However, if you're able to tar all that up and dump to network storage somehow ... or somewhere else because I remember you saying something about network issues... then that's pretty much the only way.
[11:51] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: how did you install beryl? and how is it buggy?
[11:51] <CarinArr> can't comment on the gnome stuff, i'm using kubuntu
[11:51] <bh> this touchy networking stuff has been going on for a while and it's getting progressively worse
[11:51] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: i installed herd3 and updated through
[11:51] <SpAc> my only concern is, considering the beta was released not that long ago, why is there 342MB worth of updates?
[11:51] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I was thinking along the lines of doing some recursive file deleting.
[11:51] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: To all the directories on the drive.
[11:51] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: Beryl through Feisty Repos
[11:52] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Not touching the home
[11:52] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Then resizing the parition.
[11:52] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Then creating a parition for the system and one for home
[11:52] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: The bugs are redrawing problems, tried the options to avoid this issues, they didnt help
[11:53] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: I'm not sure what that would achieve though. The filesystem could start /home/pollyo/file1.txt at the thirteenth sector and the last bit of information could be stored way at the end.
[11:53] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: i haven't had any beryl issues at all.. i'm using the beryl-project repositories for my beryl though
[11:53] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: OpenGL Apps showing a black screen if there are bigger then somehow 300x300 pixel
[11:53] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: /home/pollyo is not going to auto adjust based on how many files and directories it has around it.
[11:53] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: I cant find any beryl repositories for feisty
[11:53] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: After I delete everything else I could tar it
[11:53] <otix> pollo: can you get another small disk to use as the new root?  even 10 GB would be enough
[11:53] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: They say its in the ubuntu repo
[11:54] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Wouldn't that move it all to one file?
[11:54] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yeah, but you'd have to have /home/pollyo x 2 the amount of space.
[11:54] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: If I were you, I'd burn all my data to DVDs.
[11:54] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: make sure you have universe repo enabled
[11:54] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu#Ubuntu_7.04_.28Feisty_Fawn.29 used that installation using nvidia
[11:55] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: it is already installed
[11:55] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: You're not really in a good position and I'm sure you realize that. So when you see any options, no matter how much bitch work it involves, go for them.
[11:55] <cypherdelic> which to choose
[11:55] <cypherdelic> XGL nvidia AIGLX
[11:55] <AlexC_> AIGLX for nVidia,
[11:55] <jack_deltrino> Anyway, 3 am, I must go to sleep.
[11:55] <CarinArr> uhm.. why aiglx?
[11:56] <cypherdelic> currently im with nvidia (AIGLX) dont know if its now nvidia or either aiglx
[11:56] <jack_deltrino> Goodnight. Hope you get your problems resolved pollyo.
[11:56] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: You mentioned you generally make many paritions in BSD.
[11:56] <cypherdelic> but listen current state perfororms bad
[11:56] <CarinArr> i thought aiglx was indirect, and normally used on older cards
[11:56] <pollyo> How do you generally lay out the space on a drive in linux?
[11:56] <AlexC_> CarinArr: well you can run XGL on nVidia ... though XGL is more of a hack than a proper Xorg module
[11:56] <AlexC_> AIGLX is a proper module built into Xorg,
[11:57] <AlexC_> and nVidia supports it ... while ATI/AMD dont, as their drivers suck
[11:57] <CarinArr> which is described as "accelerated indirect glx"?
[11:57] <cypherdelic> but my VSync performs shitty
[11:57] <otix> pollo: On a basic system, you really just need to separate / and /home.  Your task will be hard to accomplish without some extra storage:  bunch of DVDs, external USB hard disk, etc.
[11:57] <cypherdelic> Carin what would you take if you were me? nvidia 7600 go 128mb 128bit
[11:58] <CarinArr> AlexC_: not disputing what you're saying.. just keep hearing one thing or other
[11:58] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: go with AIGLX,
[11:58] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: AlexC_ might know more than me, but i have the same graphics card (tho 512mb), and glx works fine for me
[11:58] <cypherdelic> AlexC_: im currently with nvidia (aiglx)
[11:58] <cypherdelic> it sucks
[11:58] <AlexC_> do you have the binary drivers installed?
[11:59] <cypherdelic> i installed nvidia-glx from repo
[11:59] <cypherdelic> and beryl and extra packages from unviersal repo
[11:59] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: have you seen the glx-new package? you'll probably want to use that with your graphics card rather than -glx
[11:59] <cypherdelic> uhm no?
[12:00] <CarinArr> think it just appeared the other day
[12:00] <cypherdelic> "glx-new"???
[12:00] <CarinArr> nvidia-glx-new
[12:00] <AlexC_> you could try XGL if you wanted, there is no harm in trying
[12:00] <cypherdelic> why does nobody ... arghs :D
[12:00] <cypherdelic> you make me happy
[12:00] <pollyo> It seems like there should be an easy way to just have the installation rewrite the base installation files without touching anything else.
[12:01] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: im installing now the new one
[12:01] <CarinArr> pollyo: problem is most people use a different partition for their /home
[12:01] <pollyo> Its not the life file system has trouble.
[12:01] <CarinArr> so it's not really seen as "needed"
[12:01] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: do i have to change anything else? xorg.conf?
[12:02] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: if they were configured properly before i don't think so, you might want to make sure you remove the nvidia-glx package completely before you install the new one though
[12:02] <otix> pollyo: you should still split out /home so you don't have these issues in the future.
[12:02] <CarinArr> not sure if it's an issue now but nvidia conflicts between different drivers are exteremely annoying
[12:02] <AlexC_> shall I get Beta, or latest daily? I really want RC but it's not out yet :P cant wait any longer
[12:03] <pollyo> CarinArr: If I did an apt-get update and had the system simply download the packages couldnt I have it write the packages to the hard drive and reboot fromt he drive and force the installation of the packages from a specific directory?
[12:03] <pollyo> otix:  Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. <grin>
[12:03] <CarinArr> pollyo: eerrr. that just confused me i'm afraid
[12:04] <CarinArr> pollyo: if you go back to the start, what is the actual problem with your system>
[12:04] <otix> pollyo:  I just don't want to see your /home data get clobbered
[12:04] <AlexC_> pollyo: why not just backup?
[12:04] <CarinArr> AlexC_: ack.. heh.. he has 70 gig of data and only one harddrive with one partition
[12:05] <pollyo> CarinArr: I screwed up my video drivers and my network drivers.  I also somehow went from generic, to latency , to i386
[12:05] <CarinArr> pollyo: the video drivers shouldn't be a problem
[12:05] <AlexC_> pollyo: buy another cheap hard drive? you can get 360gb drives for 50 these days!
[12:06] <CarinArr> pollyo: and hwen you boot up do you get a choice of all those kernels? cause you can have several kernels installed in parallel without it being aproblem
[12:06] <pollyo> AlexC_: I have been putting off the purchase of a newdrive.
[12:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: Yes.
[12:06] <billy> greetings feisty fans.
[12:06] <CarinArr> pollyo: are you currently booted into any of them?
[12:07] <pollyo> CarinArr: Though I was reading something about the installation of the restricted driver and how they could mess up the system if you mix them with the wrong version of the kernel.
[12:07] <pollyo> CarinArr: I'm on the LiveCD
[12:07] <pollyo> CarinArr: Do they each have the same startup information?
[12:07] <CarinArr> pollyo: okay, what happens if you boot into the -generic (assuming that was the one installed by default)
[12:08] <pollyo> CarinArr: I tried one of them and I do not get video.
[12:08] <CarinArr> pollyo: what graphics card ar eyou using?
[12:08] <pollyo> CarinArr: I think I deleted the restricted drivers. (they must also include some network stuff)
[12:09] <pollyo> CarinArr: nvidia tnt2
[12:09] <CarinArr> and when you say you get no video do you mean that it gives you an error message or does it just not start
[12:09] <CarinArr> i.e. does it try to start the x server at all and it crashes, or does it not even attempt it
[12:09] <CarinArr> we might be able to fix it without a complete reinstall
[12:10] <pollyo> CarinArr: I believe it attempts it.
[12:11] <pollyo> CarinArr: If I could at least get the network working again.
[12:11] <pollyo> CarinArr: Do you know if the restricted drivers have network drivers in the package?
[12:11] <pollyo> CarinArr: I have wireless network on the computer
[12:11] <CarinArr> okay.. then if you could do this: reboot into your -generic, if the gui crashes, when you're back in a terminal, try "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and comment out the Load "glx" line, and change the line that says Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv"
[12:12] <CarinArr> that has nothing to do with your network, but should let you get back into a gui which will make working on the network easier for you
[12:12] <SpAc> My other drives used to appear as icons on the desktop. Just did a fresh feisty install and they are not there. They do appear under /media/ though
[12:12] <SebSebSeb> Can  I  upgrade  from  Dapper to  Feisty  Fawn  straight  away  when it has been released,  without having  to do  Edgy  first?
[12:13] <pollyo> CarinArr: I think I removed nv dirvers.
[12:13] <billy> SebSebSeb: no.  you have to go through them.
[12:13] <billy> through Edgy, that is.
[12:13] <CarinArr> pollyo: will you try it?
[12:13] <pollyo> CarinArr: Sure.
[12:13] <CarinArr> as far as i know the nv drivers aren't that easy to remove, whereas the nvidia ones are
[12:14] <pollyo> CarinArr: What is the package name for the nv drivers though?
[12:14] <SebSebSeb> well  I  will  be installing on another guys  comp  when it's out you see probably,  and already  got offical  Dapper  CDs.
[12:14] <pollyo> nv?
[12:14] <SebSebSeb> so  I thought either install that and upgrade that,  or  download a  Feisty  CD
[12:15] <SebSebSeb> I  just  read it's  meant to be coming out on the 19th?  any chance of the  17th?  or 18th?
[12:15] <CarinArr> pollyo: i think they're part of xorg, but i'm not sure, let's not worry about them yet;)
[12:15] <SpAc> is there somewhere i have to go to get my other hdd's to appear on the desktop?
[12:15] <billy> SebSebSeb: "the week of" the 19th.
[12:16] <billy> !topic
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[12:16] <pollyo> CarinArr: Ok
[12:16] <billy> oops.
[12:16] <SebSebSeb> billy:  so it  could  come  out before the 19th?
[12:16] <billy> SebSebSeb: possibly, but typically when language like that is used, it's to give the developers as much time as possible, so I'd expect it that Satuday.
[12:16] <jussi01> !feisty
[12:17] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[12:17] <SebSebSeb> I  see
[12:18] <billy> SebSebSeb: they say that a clean install is always the best, but I don't know.  My edgy upgrade has been pretty seemless, except for a couple of bumps.
[12:18] <pollyo> CarinArr: Ok.  I'm going to give it a try.
[12:18] <pollyo> Be back in a few.
[12:18] <SebSebSeb> well  it's  not even  on his comp  yet.  Ubuntu.  so  either  install and upgrade  Dapper  or download  a Feisty  ISO  and  install that
[12:19] <SebSebSeb> well I assume the offical  CD's  forFeisty will be a while
[12:19] <SebSebSeb> and  then the time it takes to come as well
[12:20] <billy> SebSebSeb: I take it this person has limited/no/slow internet access?
[12:20] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: i'd probably download Feisty Beta, it's going to be very easy to upgrade that to full feisty, whereas upgrading Dapper to Feisty can cause all sorts of problems
[12:20] <SebSebSeb> yeah  I was  thinking  the same  download  Fesity Beta  and install that,  or just  wait for the offical  relase,  then  come  back  and put it on.  if he truely is ready  to go Ubuntu.  I left  him  Dapper  Ubuntu  and Kubuntu  Live CD
[12:21] <SebSebSeb> 's  yesterday to  play with and that
[12:21] <SebSebSeb> and  nope he has broadband
[12:21] <billy> SebSebSeb: then check out the nightly builds and just upgrade from there.  That's easy enough.
[12:22] <billy> !daily
[12:22] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[12:22] <billy> SebSebSeb: only alternates available though.
[12:23] <SebSebSeb> as  for me my  old  PC  that I was running  Ubuntu  Edgy  on  has screwed up again.  old  thing 128MB  RAM  noissy.  no  3D  stuff for me  on that PC.  anyway  it's  time for me to  get  a new one really.  want  something  that will  run  Beryl  in Fesity  :)  and  so on.  uhmmmmmm   even  Vista  hummmmmmm   with  3D  stuff and what not.  yeah Ultimate or Home Premium.  yes  Vista  yuck. ...
[12:23] <SebSebSeb> ...well  I want to help  people with there comps you see and get paid for,  and  a load of  people  will be going  Vista.  so  might as well get used to it now.  and yes  I know  it's rather buggy at  the moment
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> yes  and new  PC  want to be able to  run 3D  games and so on,  but  that's  pretty much  standard I guess now,  PC's  that  can  run 3D  games
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> any advice?
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> and  I am in UK
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> England
[12:25] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: i doubt feisty release will be much different from current feisty, not really enough time for major rehauls i wouldn't think
[12:25] <SebSebSeb> yes  I know  beta and the offical  relase will be similar
[12:25] <billy> SebSebSeb: from what I understand, Beryl runs fine for folks with like ten dollar nvidia cards.  you don't have to have a souped up comp to run Beryl.
[12:26] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: anything remotely decent is fine.. but i'd get an nvidia card, for linux support.. and probably a 6000 series or higher, they're pretty cheap now
[12:26] <SebSebSeb> don't really  know that much  about hardware,  so  6000  series?
[12:27] <CarinArr> well nvidia geforce cards have model numbers like 5500, 5700, 6600, 6800, 7600 etc
[12:27] <CarinArr> anything above 6000 should be more than enough
[12:27] <SebSebSeb> oh  right I see the card itself
[12:27] <CarinArr> i'm still using a 5500 on he desktop which works fine, but if i bought a new machine now i'd get a slightly higher specced one
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> Beryl  ok,  but  what  about  Vista,  and 3D  games, I assume so?  with a decant enough new graphics card
[12:28] <CarinArr> most desktops spec what video card they have, so it's someting to keep an eye open for
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> same  here really
[12:28] <CarinArr> came preinstalled on my laptop;)
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> ,but
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> like I said above
[12:28] <billy> Vista talk is in #crapola.
[12:28] <CarinArr> yeah i know.. problem is vista is pretty damn heavy
[12:29] <SebSebSeb> lol  really  a crapola channel?
[12:29] <billy> SebSebSeb: yeah man.  they were asking about you. :)
[12:29] <CarinArr> but yeah, i think a 6000+ nvidia card should manage nvidia
[12:29] <CarinArr> er vista
[12:29] <zeroflag> could someone take a look at this script, whether it makes sense or could be useful? http://pastebin.ca/436093 (installs newest NVIDIA drivers)
[12:29] <DarkMageZ> there's nothing wrong with vista cept how they messed up minesweeper...
[12:29] <SebSebSeb> and  the card  does all the 3D  stuff anyway?
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> what  about  RAM?  and  harddisks are like 160GB or so now?
[12:30] <billy> DarkMageZ: yeah.  i was pretty mad about that too.
[12:30] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: dell machines are pretty good for the price in the uk, and they allow you to choose nvidia cards and tell you whether stuff will run vista, so i'd probaby go dell
[12:30] <billy> SebSebSeb: go with DDR2 ram, a Gig of it if you can.
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> Dell well they  are going to start pre installing Linux  :)  it seems
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> since  they want to become number one PC  seller again
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> HP  took 1st  place
[12:30] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: however, if you go with dell, don't overspend on ram/harddrive as you can easily extend it a LOT cheaper than dell will sell that to you
[12:31] <billy> SebSebSeb: I didn't know jack about hardware two months ago, and I built my own computer from shell up.
[12:31] <SebSebSeb> well I got two 40GB's  or so hard disks in the screwed up PC  that seem to work  fine still
[12:31] <billy> SebSebSeb: it's not hard at all.
[12:31] <CarinArr> go for a decent cpu, and a decent graphics card, then plug in extra ram and harddrive separately, makes much more sense
[12:31] <SebSebSeb> well  my  Dad knows quite a bit about hardware,  he should teach me really
[12:31] <zeroflag> noone interested? :/
[12:32] <SebSebSeb> you  mean make a PC?
[12:32] <zeroflag> am I the only one who's too stupid to make nvidia work with packages? :P
[12:32] <SebSebSeb> what's a decant prosser/cpu  for  Feisty and Visduh?
[12:32] <zeroflag> anything?
[12:33] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: yeah anything over 6000 should be fine for 3d stuff, unless you're really hardcore and demand more speed.. it might be worth going with 256mb graphics memory at least though
[12:33] <billy> SebSebSeb:  Intel Core Duo.
[12:33] <void^> zeroflag: i suggest autodetecting gdm/kdm for convenience ;)
[12:33] <zeroflag> core2duo are monsters and expensive, little athlon or semperon does the trick just fine.
[12:33] <zeroflag> void^: no idea how to do that properly.
[12:33] <CarinArr> o.O
[12:33] <CarinArr> core 2 duos aren't that pricey now
[12:34] <zeroflag> well, my 3600+X2 EE was 60 euro, core2duo is above 100euro and that's "pricey" in my book.
[12:34] <SebSebSeb> a  her hummmmmmm,  not  many  hers  in Ubuntu channel  normally I guess?
[12:34] <zeroflag> DAMN it!
[12:34] <zeroflag> gotta fly.
[12:34] <zeroflag> too late already,.
[12:34] <billy> yeah, the core duo's are dropping now that the quad core and hexa cores are out and spreading.
[12:34] <CarinArr> heh
[12:35] <void^> zeroflag: something dirty but probably reliable might be like ps aux | grep kdm | grep -v grep && if [ "$?" -eq "0" ]  ; then wm=kdm ; fi
[12:35] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: you could probably spec http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_e520?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1 up to what you want without spending too much money
[12:36] <SebSebSeb> ok
[12:38] <CarinArr> but i'd really go nvidia if you're going to run ubuntu on it
[12:38] <SebSebSeb> Home  Premium or  Vista  hummmmmmm
[12:38] <SebSebSeb> yeah  Nividia  they say has best Linux  suppourt
[12:38] <CarinArr> i know people get ati working, but the number of people complaining about it being fiddly and annoying
[12:40] <CarinArr> anyhow
[12:40] <CarinArr> going shopping
[12:40] <kal_> where can we get desktop version of 20070411 cd build ?
[12:40] <kal_> for testing RC ;)
[12:41] <kal_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070411/
[12:41] <kal_> here is just the alternate version
[12:42] <kal_> ok i got it
[12:42] <kal_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070411/
[12:43] <billy> kal_: i don't think they made LiveCD daily's.
[12:43] <kal_> yes they did, check the link ;)
[12:44] <crdlb> they just did recently leading up to the rc
[12:44] <kal_> im currently downloading it
[12:44] <billy> All I see is the alternate.  I must be blind.
[12:44] <kal_> crdlb: did you notice any bugs ?
[12:44] <crdlb> works great
[12:44] <kal_> billy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070411/
[12:45] <billy> kal_: cool.  thanks for the link.  :)
[12:45] <crdlb> I did a fresh install over dapper
[12:45] <kal_> crdlb: im having a problem with the alternate build of one week ago. When I launch apps from gnome panel, it is pretty slow. But i when i launch them from gnome-menu, its perfect
[12:45] <kal_> :/
[12:46] <crdlb> kal_, you mean it takes a while for them to open?
[12:46] <kal_> i saw that there was a bug with libx11 but i made all the latest updates so... maybe a specific problem to my hardware
[12:46] <kal_> yes
[12:46] <kal_> it takes 5 seconds
[12:46] <billy> is there a way I can log into certain rooms automatically using XChat-Gnome?
[12:46] <kal_> whereas when i launch them from gnome menu it takes 1 second
[12:46] <crdlb> I'm not seeing that
[12:47] <kal_> :/
[12:47] <kal_> billy: xchat menu, server list, edit freenode, add your channels...
[12:47] <crdlb> billy, I think so, but why not just use xchat?
[12:47] <kal_> ah he's using xchat-gnome
[12:47] <kal_> use xchat :>
[12:48] <billy> crdlb: I don't know why.  No reason.
[12:48] <Gambaroni> How do I show the apt error in another language?
[12:49] <billy> ok.  what was that again?
 billy: xchat menu, server list, edit freenode, add your channels...
[12:50] <crdlb> Gambaroni, try: LANG=C sudo apt-get whatever
[12:51] <kal_> crdlb: i think that using C as value for LANG will show error in default language : english
[12:51] <Gambaroni> crdlb thenwhat is it for english?
[12:51] <kal_> maybe he sould use LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 if he's french, or something like that...
[12:52] <crdlb> I think LANG=C always gives you english
[12:52] <billy> crdlb, separated by commas?
[12:52] <crdlb> billy, in xchat yes
[12:52] <kal_> yes crdlb
[12:52] <kal_> * crdlb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>a quitt #ubuntu+1 ("Ex-Chat")
 crdlb: i think that using C as value for LANG will s
[12:52] <kal_> how error in english*
[12:52] <billy> crdlb, cool.  thX
[12:53] <Aldante_Fax> Question: Is there a way to automatically mount volumes at startup?
[12:53] <crdlb> billy, no spaces though
[12:53] <billy> ew
[12:53] <jussi01> Aldante_Fax, fstab
[12:53] <billy> crdlb, good looking out.
[12:54] <kal_> i'm wondering if there will have any change in RC live CD from 20070411 live CD...
[12:54] <crdlb> that is the RC I think
[12:54] <spikeb> it's the RC for the RC
[12:55] <kal_> lol spikeb
[12:55] <billy> so if I created a separate /home partition, I'd have all of my program configurations, I'd just have to redownload the program themselves, right?
[12:56] <spikeb> that's the theory, but it doesn't always work that way.
[12:56] <kal_> yes
[12:56] <billy> spikeb, any way to get the chances better?
[12:56] <kal_> if you install a more recent version of the program, then maybe the configuration syntax has changed and there will be some problems
[12:57] <kal_> that's why i just keep my real personnal data but delete program configurations
[12:57] <kal_> if i format
[12:59] <AlexC_> RC out yet? :P
[01:00] <kal_> nop AlexC_
[01:00] <AlexC_> =(
[01:01] <AlexC_> how about now?
[01:01] <crazy_bus> Its not much of a problem but its still annoying.  When I move kaffeine while playing a video theres blue coloured when the screen used to be which disappears after a second.  This happened with edgy using the open source nv drivers but dissapered when I install the nvidia binaries.  However in feisty when I installed the binaries I still have the problem.  When is this?  Is it because I have composite enabled?
[01:03] <Gambaroni> crdlb the package netkit-inetd has no installation candidate
[01:03] <billy> !daily-live
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about daily-live - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <crdlb> !info netkit-inetd feisty
[01:04] <ubotu> netkit-inetd: The Internet Superserver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-10.3ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 152 kB
[01:04] <Gambaroni> crdlb huh?
[01:05] <crdlb> Gambaroni, it seems it's in universe
[01:05] <crdlb> you should have it, try an apt-get update
[01:05] <pollyo> CarinArr: Hello
[01:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: I have the vesa driver working.
[01:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: Still no wireless network but moved the computer into another room and have a wired connection.
[01:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: Thank you for the help.
[01:08] <rj_> ieee80211 dosnt work on feisty
[01:08] <rj_> :(
[01:08] <voidmage> lol gutsy gibbon
[01:09] <AlexC_> I read it as Gusty Gibbon to start with ... only just found out it GuTsy Gibbon
[01:11] <jim__> OK was anyone watching a while ago when I was having the conversation about NetworkManager?
[01:12] <os2mac> well for the record ... it's simply a matter of backing up your interfaces file and letting networkmanager rebuild it for you.
[01:13] <otix>  os2mac: are you talking about the bug in yesterday's update?
[01:14] <os2mac> yes. the bug that caused the display problem
[01:14] <os2mac>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105234
[01:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:14] <matthew_> Hmm
[01:14] <matthew_> Is the RC out?
[01:15] <matthew_> Topic says it needs testing... I'd love to, but can't find it...
[01:15] <os2mac> otix: did you get that?
[01:15] <otix> loading
[01:16] <otix> os2mac: ok, I found an older bug where people are also reporting the same thing
[01:17] <matthew_> !daily
[01:17] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:17] <os2mac> matthew: do they have dist upgrade repositories for RC yet?
[01:18] <Gambaroni> crdlb i'm not running feisty..
[01:19] <matthew_> Surely the RC is the latest development release, and therefore the only repositories are the main ones?
[01:19] <matthew_> I wish there was a LiveCD version
[01:20] <os2mac> well, I have been updating the fiesty version Herd 5 but I saw no dist upgrade notification in adept when I update a bit ago.
[01:20] <mon^rch> the desktop cd isn't a live cd?
[01:21] <os2mac> so either I have the package updated RC or their are no changes in what I loaded and the RC.
[01:21] <crdlb> Gambaroni, it's in edgy too, but why are you in #ubuntu+1 then ?
[01:21] <otix>  os2mac: I tried that with /etc/network/interfaces -- no change
[01:21] <matthew_> mon^rch: Yes, it is
[01:21] <os2mac> mon^rch: they are usually compiled as both a live and install CD are they not?
[01:22] <matthew_> There is no desktop CD for the daily release it seems, though
[01:22] <os2mac> otix. did you stop and start networkmanager first?
[01:22] <billy> matthew_, i thought the same thing.  they're out there.
[01:22] <mon^rch> hic..
[01:22] <billy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070411/
[01:22] <crdlb> matthew_, there have been the last couple of days
[01:22] <os2mac> otix stop networkmanager, mv your interfaces file to a .bk file restart networkmanager.
[01:23] <matthew_> Ahaaaa, thanks billy!
[01:23] <os2mac> otix: and if your using Knetworkmanager (like I am) you will have to stop and start that as well.
[01:23] <billy> matthew_, don't thank me.  I was given that link like five minutes ago!  :)
[01:24] <matthew_> :D
[01:24] <billy> so exactly *why* is a clean install better than upgrading?
[01:24] <otix>  os2mac: trying that.  using kill & just starting it from the shell.  is there an rc file for this?
[01:24] <matthew_> I think I may install today's build
[01:24] <matthew_> It's changed, according to the MD5 at least
[01:24] <os2mac> no, not that I am aware of.
[01:24] <pollyo> otix: I might have been over reacting earlier.
[01:25] <otix> pollyo: np.  it
[01:25] <os2mac> gotta run.. work time.
[01:26] <otix> pollyo: it's just good practice to keep you system & data separate so you can just set the data aside while doing risky system work
[01:26] <pollyo> otix: I'll be doing that soon.
[01:26] <pollyo> otix: I've been planning on getting another drive for the computer.
[01:27] <pollyo> otix: I should be able to easily make the other drive my home directory and leave this drive all for the system.
[01:27] <otix> pollyo: you could even get a small one and use that for root.
[01:27] <Aldante_Fax> So uh, I am having difficulty enabling read/write for NTFS drives - it's giving me an error that I cannot change permissions
[01:27] <pollyo> otix: How does that work?  What is considered part of the root?
[01:28] <pollyo> otix: Would that simply be what you need to boot up?
[01:28] <otix> pollyo:  from the shell, run 'df'.  each of those is a filesystem.  you want to break /home into a separate filesystem and mount it.  there is a doc on this somewhere, maybe in the wiki
[01:29] <pollyo> otix: Ok.. What would I look for?  filesystem?
[01:31] <otix> pollyo:  I gotta crash.  Search the ubuntu docs for something like 'separate home filesystem'.  Read man pages for mount & fstab.
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: Will do.  Thanks for the suggestion!
[01:31] <otix> pollyo:  those man pages won't make a lot of sense at first - just work toward understanding them
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: I have a good idea about mount and fstab.
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: Just not how they suggest you break up the files.
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: In different areas.
[01:32] <pollyo> otix: Get some rest. <Grin>  Thanks for the information.
[01:32] <otix> pollyo:  home it goes well for you.  'nite.
[01:32] <pollyo> otix: Thank you.
[01:32] <otix> yvw
[01:33] <billy> pollyo:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome ..  I don't think that's been tested on Feisty though.
[01:33] <otix> the concept has been standard unix practice for decades, though
[01:33] <billy> just a disclaimer.  :)
[01:34] <billy> i was a lawyer in a former life.
[01:34] <otix> pollyo:  just don't do the gparted & format stuff on your good data
[01:35] <pollyo> otix: Ok.
[01:35] <otix> nite
[01:35] <pollyo> otix: nite
[01:39] <matthew_> 1h22m before the ISO finishes downloading
[01:39] <billy> matthew_, yeah, it's best to do the downloading at around 3 am.  :)
[01:39] <billy> 3am, central time USA, that is.
[01:39] <matthew_> I didn't know it was released, or I could have :|
[01:40] <Gambaroni> crdlb this is a nice channel.. I'm using Debian..
[01:40] <matthew_> I'm in the UK, things are fastest in the early morning, when the USA is asleep :)
[01:40] <Gambaroni> crdlb it's the same packagesystem.. so I thought you would know ;)
[01:40] <crdlb> but entirely different repos :)
[01:42] <Gambaroni> crdlb yea.. it says: "You should explicity select one to install" that means?
[01:44] <crdlb> Gambaroni, I have no idea
[01:46] <Gambaroni> crdlb ok.
[01:46] <billy> !daily
[01:46] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:55] <ant_ipop> where do i find the daily iso of kubuntu ??
[01:56] <kristjansiimson> any1 here?
[01:57] <kristjansiimson> can someone help me find where to make extended partitions in feisty installer?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> !daily | ant_ipop
[01:58] <ubotu> ant_ipop: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ant_ipop: test the rc - see the /topic
[02:02] <ant_ipop> yay, thats what im gonna do now
[02:03] <kristjansiimson> hello??
[02:03] <kristjansiimson> can i do extended partitions on feisty?
[02:04] <ant_ipop> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/  <-- this is down ??
[02:04] <kristjansiimson> with the feisty installer
[02:04] <AlexC_> shall I just download Beta or latest daily .... I cant wait anylonger for the RC!
[02:05] <ant_ipop> use<PHONE_NUMBER>12
[02:05] <crazy_bus> For some reason a mp3 I'm trying to play in amarok sounds quite crackly while the same file in beep isn't.  Why is this?
[02:05] <ant_ipop> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[02:05] <AlexC_> daily-live yeah?
[02:06] <kristjansiimson> extended partitions with feisty installer??
[02:07] <arejay> anyone got time to help me with using module-assistant to buld iee80211-source fails in feisty
[02:10] <AlexC_> which daily live would you reccomend?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> AlexC_: see the topic
[02:14] <AlexC_> Hobbsee: that is the candidate for the release candidate correct?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> AlexC_: yes, i think they had to respin
[02:15] <AlexC_> what does re-spin mean?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> AlexC_: [22:08]  <heno> ant_ipop: you can get advice in #ubuntu-iso and from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community
[02:16] <Hobbsee> redone
[02:18] <mon^rch> I dont cere for beryl, I think :(
[02:18] <PyroMessiah> Sure are a ton of updates the last three days
[02:19] <PyroMessiah> Beryl rocks!   Repositories are outdated even before they release.
[02:20] <AlexC_> banned?
[02:20] <finalbeta> Tracker not allowing the version to connect... Banned.
[02:21] <AlexC_> oh,
[02:21] <AlexC_> why would they ban Azureus?
[02:22] <PyroMessiah> Because it sucks?
[02:22] <finalbeta> Most unix clients are banned on private trackers because they don't follow guidelines, ktorrent etc.
[02:22] <PyroMessiah> I dumped it and installed Deluge,  MUCH better
[02:22] <lupine_85> so use ktorrent :)
[02:22] <finalbeta> Deluge etc
[02:22] <AlexC_> yeah I'm going to use Deluge on feisty
[02:22] <finalbeta> They can download, but not much more, report incorrect stats.
[02:22] <Kaplan_> when beryl opens in feisty the spalsh logo show the version 0.2.0 RC3, i see people sayng that the latest version in feisty is 0.21
[02:23] <Kaplan_> what is going on here?
[02:23] <PyroMessiah> Azureus would dl half the torrent then give me a "disk write error"...completely retarded....no such problems with Deluge
[02:24] <balster_neb> I'm about to upgrade from Edgy to Feisty right now. I want to confirm: Do the instructions given at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades under the section "Ubuntu beta upgrade" still apply?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: *cough* I don't think unix bt clinets misrepresent stats
[02:25] <thoreauputic> *clinets
[02:25] <thoreauputic> clinets - I can't type
[02:25] <thoreauputic> bah :)
[02:25] <AlexC_> clients :P
[02:26] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: yes, thanks :)
[02:26] <finalbeta> thoreauputic: No, it's more like not properly reporting them.
[02:26] <finalbeta> It's like not telling a lie, but just not telling the truth.
[02:26] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: in what way? Most linux/unix apps are extremely standards-compliant
[02:26] <finalbeta> You know, like politicians do. :)
[02:28] <finalbeta> thoreauputic: http://paste-it.net/1885 A basic list of problems
[02:29] <finalbeta> KTorrent 	A BitTorrent program for KDE. Has problems with reporting bad stats to the tracker and not identifying itself correctly.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: interesting - I'll have a look
[02:29] <balster_neb> oh well, update-manager -d seems to tell me that 7.04 is available
[02:29] <balster_neb> I guess I'll go ahead and upgrade
[02:30] <shirish> guys has anybody heard about the RC, it is supposed to be released today, right?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: I think whoever came up with that list has a bad case of obsessive-compulsive disorder ;p
[02:31] <AlexC_> it is indeed,
[02:31] <Kaplan_> what do you mean by RC??
[02:31] <AlexC_> Release Candaidate,
[02:31] <AlexC_> Candidate
[02:31] <Kaplan_> there will be new updates then
[02:31] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ nvclock
[02:31] <cypherdelic> bash: /usr/local/bin/nvclock: cannot execute binary file
[02:31] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ nvclock_gtk
[02:31] <cypherdelic> *** stack smashing detected ***: nvclock_gtk terminated
[02:31] <cypherdelic> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:32] <Kaplan_> for us already using feisty
[02:32] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: I'm downloading the latest daily  ... I can't wait any longer
[02:32] <balster_neb> oh, any idea if  update-manager -d will use the repository mirror I have currenty set for Edgy, or will it default to something else?
[02:32] <Kaplan_> if you use -d it will automaticly chnage you sources list to fesity
[02:33] <cypherdelic> i tried to compile by source first
[02:33] <balster_neb> cool, thanks, Kaplan_
[02:33] <Kaplan_> if you get any arrors just report
[02:33] <cypherdelic> that folder contains files compiled on 64bit mashine
[02:33] <Kaplan_> wee will help you
[02:33] <cypherdelic> make same nothing to do for target
[02:34] <cypherdelic> same=say
[02:34] <cypherdelic> says
[02:34] <balster_neb> yes, I'll do that
[02:34] <Kaplan_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[02:34] <balster_neb> this is the first time I'm not upgrading via fresh install
[02:34] <Kaplan_> look at this page if you are upgrading
[02:35] <Kaplan_> i upgraded with -d too
[02:35] <Kaplan_> no great problems here
[02:35] <balster_neb> yes, I had a look at that page
[02:35] <Kaplan_> just a litlle configuration
[02:35] <shirish> AlexC_: I was just asking if u guys had had heard any announcements
[02:35] <Kaplan_> with nvidia and stuff
[02:36] <Kaplan_> nothing much
[02:36] <AlexC_> shirish: there is Release Candidate Candidate ... basically test images for the RC .. you could try those?
[02:36] <balster_neb> yep, the fesity forum does seem to have lots of nvidia related issues
[02:37] <Kaplan_> i had nvidia installed via envy on edgy
[02:37] <balster_neb> I'm hoping that now that it's almost RC there won't be too many other problems
[02:37] <Kaplan_> on feisty the restricted modules install nvidia driver auto
[02:37] <Kaplan_> i just had to edit the restricted to not use "nv"
[02:37] <balster_neb> ah, my nvidia drivers right now are from the standard edgy repos
[02:40] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ /usr/bin/nvclock -i
[02:40] <cypherdelic> *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/nvclock terminated
[02:40] <cypherdelic> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:40] <cypherdelic> im with 9775
[02:50] <balster_neb> woops MD5 mismatch in my mirror while using update-manager -d
[02:51] <balster_neb> I guess I'll try again in a while
[02:52] <shirish> what is known as the procedure before the login screen & after clicking the kernel which one wants
[02:54] <balster_neb> hmm, archive update in progress at my mirror
[02:55] <Hidan> shirish: yo there.
[02:55] <shirish> hi Hidan :)
[02:55] <Hidan> shirish: watcha up to, man? :D
[02:56] <shirish> Hidan: trying to figure out why i dont get that graphical thing right after choosing the kernel, till the login part
[02:56] <SlimeyPete> you mean ubuntu-splash?
[02:57] <ruffe> i have problem booting ubuntu 7.04
[02:57] <shirish> SlimeyPete: right, not getting the ubuntu-splash
[02:57] <SlimeyPete> ruffe: what's going wrong, exactly?
[02:57] <Hidan> shirish: huh... Feisty's good but... I hope that the final version will be decent to use. :p some of these bugs are definitely breaking the o/s.
[02:58] <ruffe> can't assably md0
[02:58] <shirish> Hidan: it could be that, or it could be because I made some changes to GRUB
[02:58] <SlimeyPete> ruffe: is that all it says?
[02:59] <shirish> Hidan: I changed the resolutions so that my virtual terminals can give 1024*768 otherwise they were giving 640*480
[02:59] <shirish> Hidan: The other thing is the 1.9.93 experimental driver I am using, do not know if either is to  be blamed or not.
[02:59] <ruffe> SlimeyPete, /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[03:00] <shirish> Hidan: Although have never got the ubuntu-usplash thing, whereas I am able to get the gnome/metacity usplash
[03:00] <Hidan> shirish: yikes... experimental huh... oh btw, i'd been having a couple of freezes on the system. Around 5 to 6 times when Kernel wouldn't respond... So I actually uninstalled one of the ATI drivers, stopped using Mozilla firefox, and things seem fine so far.
[03:00] <Hidan> Shirish: hope your issues get resolved too. :D
[03:01] <SlimeyPete> ruffe: I assume you've installed Ubuntu onto a RAID array of some sort?
[03:01] <Hidan> shirish: oops that ought to be swiftfox and all browsers made of mozilla builds.
[03:01] <ruffe> md0 / raid1
[03:01] <shirish> Hidan: one of the developers, bug squashers I was talking to the other day, said he was fine with the 1.9.93 driver for over a month now.
[03:02] <shirish> Hidan: I did try the 915 resolution driver before that but it did not have any effect.
[03:02] <Hidan> shirish: yeah but that's his computer... different configurations, different results.
[03:02] <shooters> during the upgrade to feisty: "could not install base-files" , "package base-files is already installed and configured"
[03:02] <shirish> Hidan: Of course, true
[03:02] <Hidan> shirish: Yeah... hmmm... why not uninstall that driver then? see if you can get into recovery mode and uhm run a couple of commands from there?
[03:03] <shirish> Hidan: If I uninstall the driver, then i get back to 640*480, right now I am in rich, comfortable 1024*768
[03:03] <ruffe> SlimeyPete, mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0
[03:04] <shirish> Hidan: which effectively kills my desktop experience
[03:04] <Hidan> shirish: oh no, i mean... uninstalling that driver to see if it's the driver or something else.
[03:04] <shirish> Hidan: ok do u know how I can go about doing that without breaking my system?
[03:05] <shirish> Hidan: and then getting back the driver if it does not work
[03:05] <Hidan> shirish: no idea, sorry... that's what I did for Winxp, anyways. :( I'm a newbie in Ubuntu and wished I knew more. =/
[03:06] <AlexC_> Hidan: if your new to Ubuntu I highly suggest waiting until Feisty is released,
[03:06] <shirish> same here, anyway thanx for advice, for XP I never had issues atleast with resolution, but then that is all a different ball game
[03:06] <Hidan> alexc_ : you joking? I'm now running feisty and not too many issues.
[03:06] <AlexC_> no I'm not joking, Feisty will and can break - so it's advise not to use it as a 'normal' install ... but if it's working then great,
[03:07] <Hidan> alex_c : yeah i know what you mean. :P
[03:07] <jhaig> Is the Feisty release still on track for 19th?
[03:07] <AlexC_> think so!
[03:07] <ConstyXIV> is there a boot command or something to make ubuntu pass up a bad block of ram?
[03:07] <AlexC_> always feels like your missing something
[03:07] <Hidan> alex_c : however, don't worry, I've been learning since how to file and look up bug reports, as well as installing various stuff, and running gksudo/sudo commands, etc. :)
[03:08] <Hidan> alex_c : I'm barely past 2 weeks on Linux btw.
[03:08] <AlexC_> what is it with people refusing to call me AlexC_ :P
[03:09] <AlexC_> at least your learning and getting use to it, just back up important data
[03:09] <Hidan> alexc_ : uhm 'cos of the underscore position? :P
[03:09] <Hidan> alexc_ don't worry, all of my important data are on other partitions
[03:09] <AlexC_> nah I get called all sorts, Alex, Axel, Alex-c Alex, ... never AlexC_ lol
[03:10] <Hidan> alexc_ : lol am i one of the very few then? :P)
[03:10] <AlexC_> I've had to set up a load of trigger words so it comes up as highlighted, espically since I help a lot in #ubuntu
[03:10] <AlexC_> kinda hard to keep track unless they don't say the name in the setence
[03:10] <shirish> do not know why but network is pretty pretty slow right now
[03:10] <Hidan> alexc_ : lol ahahaha poor sod... :P
[03:10] <AlexC_> :P
[03:11] <jhaig> AlexC_: More people should know about tab-completion in Gaim (and most other irc clients, I think)
[03:11] <Hidan> alexc_ : but you knwo something? ever since i loaded in ubuntu, i've NOT even spent more than 15 mins in WinXP lol...
[03:11] <AlexC_> yep, every client I have used has teab-completition
[03:11] <Hidan> alexc_ : everytime i boot into WinXP that is
[03:11] <AlexC_> excellent,
[03:11] <eagles0513875> i have a question for some reason on my desktop im trying to do a duel boot
[03:11] <eagles0513875> when i boot to the live cd all i get from the x is just lines showing up
[03:11] <Hidan> alexc_ got kinda fed up with all the malware and viagra ads
[03:12] <shirish> anybody else getting slow network speeds after updates?
[03:12] <AlexC_> Hidan: at least you'll still get the viagra emails to remind you of our XP days
[03:12] <eagles0513875> ive tried to restart the x and it still doesnt work
[03:12] <Hidan> alexc_ no thank you, man...
[03:12] <Hidan> alexc_ : /me looks between her legs, last time i checked i was still ahem "female" :D
[03:13] <AlexC_> hehe
[03:13] <eagles0513875> O_o
[03:13] <Hidan> huh? mmm eagles, what? :P
[03:13] <jhaig> AlexC_: Sadly, you don't need to use XP to get those adverts.  It is, however, generally XP machines that are sending them out.
[03:13] <Hidan> eagles: can't help you on your issue, sorry i'm just too new to ubuntu.  "Be more of a man!"
[03:15] <jhaig> eagles0513875: Can you get a text console? With - [Ctrl] +[Alt] +[F1]
[03:15] <Hidan> Me: "No thanks. I don't need anymore male hormones in my body" (since everyone has a combo of male + female hormones anyways)
[03:15] <eagles0513875> have not tried
[03:15] <eagles0513875> im not near my desktop atm
[03:15] <Hidan> eagles: ooh then write it down and  go home and try it :)
[03:15] <eagles0513875> the monitor i have hooked up to it is a sceptre monitor and the video card is an evga 6600gt
[03:15] <eagles0513875> Hidan: or email it to myself lol
[03:15] <jhaig> Does it not work every time you boot up the live CD?
[03:16] <eagles0513875> i tried it with 64bit version of feisty and even with edgy
[03:16] <jhaig> Sounds like a graphics driver problem.  Do you have an unusual graphics card?
[03:16] <Hidan> eagles: yeah good idea...
[03:16] <AlexC_> daily liveCD downloaded :P burning
[03:17] <Hidan> alexc_ mmm... just curious. why do you get the daily livecd instead of installing the updates?
[03:17] <eagles0513875> jhaig: its an evga pcie 6600gt with 128mb
[03:18] <AlexC_> Hidan: I'm currently not running Feisty
[03:18] <AlexC_> and want to do a fresh install, instead of update
[03:19] <Hidan> alexc_ : yeah, good idea
[03:20] <AlexC_> hum, though I can't burn CD .... Gnomes CD creator has decided not to work! I just used to to make a backup cd lol
[03:20] <Hidan> alexc_ : ubuntu or maybe linux in general still isn't good enough to do a smooth upgrade without too many kinks.
[03:20] <Hidan> alexc_ : uhmmm try k3b
[03:20] <AlexC_> I've never done one, so I can't say ... I always do fresh install
[03:20] <shirish> I tried once, it did but my sound was gone, think it was from dapper to edgy
[03:21] <Hidan> alexc_ : best not to upgrade, i've heard it's a "count your chances" kinda method.
[03:21] <AlexC_> I normally don't mix KDE and Gnome ... hell to it :P formatted drive anyway in a few mins
[03:21] <eagles0513875> isnt kde better developed
[03:21] <AlexC_> formatting*
[03:21] <jhaig> eagles0513875: Don't know, sorry.
[03:21] <shirish> lol, good for you :P the no. of times my HDD had to take beating
[03:21] <Hidan> shirish: take a beating from what?
[03:21] <jhaig> eagles0513875: (That was a reply to your previous question regarding X)
[03:22] <eagles0513875> should i go in and set it myself
[03:22] <eagles0513875> or reconfig x
[03:26] <shirish> Hidan: /me formatting the HDD so many times
[03:26] <shirish> eagles0513875: depends on what u call better developed, KDE uses QT which many people have issues with
[03:26] <Hidan> shirish: heh .... think one of my partition's already getting very noisy. XP killed it.
[03:26] <eagles0513875> interesting i have more problems with gnome than kde
[03:26] <shirish> Hidan: what can I say
[03:26] <YNWA> hi can anyone help with manually installing Feisty?
[03:26] <Hidan> shirish: yeah but hopefully it's getting noisy but not dying.
[03:26] <shirish> eagles0513875: its essentially a work in progress, but much better than what we previously had
[03:26] <Hidan> shirish: 'cos i know hard disks can last quite a while, even if they're staggering on their last legs.
[03:26] <shirish> YNWA: are u using an alternate install CD?
[03:26] <shirish> Hidan: true
[03:26] <YNWA> Live CD?
[03:26] <AlexC_> wtf, CD record has no permission to open the device - trying to burn Feisyt CD with Edgy K3b ....
[03:26] <eagles0513875> thats kool
[03:26] <AlexC_> Feisty*
[03:26] <eagles0513875> i got into this whole linux deal back with suse 9.0
[03:27] <shirish> YNWA: ok hang on, I have put up a post how to install, at a forum, although it has instructions for using the alternate CD but if u read it, and look at the links given you should be able to ride on without issues
[03:27] <ritcereal> so i compiled my kernel last night, and now every time i boot i get an error: 18 selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios on all of the kernels except my recovery deals -- any idea's on how to fix this?
[03:27] <shirish> YNWA: http://www.techenclave.com/forums/installing-ubuntu-feisty-7-04-through-89192.html#post570913 please go through, it is slightly lengthy
[03:28] <YNWA> I'm only having trouble with the partitioning bit... :(
[03:28] <shirish> YNWA: ok cool, so what is the issue there?
[03:29] <Hidan> shirish: man, talking about hard disks... i remember my good old HP Pavilion 8215 ... it lasted for a good 10 years before it died out a few years ago.
[03:29] <Hidan> shirish: I even ran Photoshop CS on it. xD
[03:29] <YNWA> well, I get to prepare partitions, and I don't kinda know what to do from there on cos I don't want to screw up my hard drive
[03:29] <CarinArr> Hidan: that sounds painful
[03:29] <shirish> Hidan: cool
[03:29] <Hidan> carinarr: yeah it's painful but awesome lol
[03:29] <Hidan> shirish: yep... :D
[03:30] <shirish> YNWA: ok, you have a single hard drive which u want to use as a dual-boot or multiple hard disks
[03:30] <YNWA> dual boot
[03:30] <YNWA> I already have Edgy
[03:30] <shirish> YNWA: and a single hard disk, no other hard disk in the system
[03:30] <YNWA> no
[03:30] <ruffe> hm, ubuntu CD is booting, but can't see it
[03:30] <shirish> YNWA: ok cool,
[03:30] <YNWA> shirish:it's a laptop, so...!
[03:31] <shirish> YNWA: no issues, the logic remains the same
[03:31] <CarinArr> YNWA: you want to dual boot edgy and feisty?
[03:31] <YNWA> no, I actually want to replace edgy
[03:31] <shirish> YNWA: so what u wanna do is make a clean install right
[03:31] <CarinArr> any windows installs?
[03:31] <Hidan> man, this is awesome. So far, so good. NO freezes, a couple of crashes.
[03:31] <YNWA> CarinArr: Xp
[03:32] <YNWA> I have four partitions: One with Xp, two with just data, and the other with Edgy
[03:32] <shirish> YNWA: ok cool, and when u installed edgy, it was the last partition, after XP right
[03:32] <CarinArr> YNWA: okay
[03:32] <YNWA> shirish: it was the 4th partition, after the xp disk and the two data
[03:33] <jhaig> YNWA: You should be able to just select the Edgy partition as the partition to install onto, and it will not touch the others.
[03:33] <YNWA> it says "No root file system is defined."
[03:33] <shirish> right, just like jhaig has said, just point it to the Edgy install
[03:33] <jhaig> YNWA: Have you set the mountpoint to / ?
[03:33] <CarinArr> YNWA: what type of partitions are the data ones?
[03:34] <CarinArr> ext3? fat32? ntfs?
[03:34] <YNWA> CarinArr: NTFS
[03:34] <CarinArr> so you have three ntfs partitions and one ext3?
[03:34] <YNWA> jhaig: ..?
[03:34] <YNWA> CarinArr: yeah
[03:34] <CarinArr> and you want to wipe everything that's on the edgy partition and replace it with feisty?
[03:34] <jhaig> YNWA: The root partition needs to be mounted on /
[03:34] <YNWA> CarinArr: yeah
[03:34] <eagles0513875> cursed updated pkgs screw up my wireless
[03:35] <YNWA> jhaig: how would I go about doing that?
[03:35] <CarinArr> YNWA: at the step you're at at the moment, can you see the four partitions?
[03:35] <jhaig> YNWA: I cannot remember exactly what the partitioning tool looks like.  If you select the Edgy partition, is there an 'Edit' or 'preferences' button?
[03:35] <YNWA> I see six, the 3 ntfs, 1 ext3, 1swap and one unnamed
[03:36] <CarinArr> okay
[03:36] <CarinArr> what does the line with the ext3 say
[03:36] <YNWA> jhaig: yeah
[03:36] <CarinArr> starting from left to right
[03:36] <jhaig> YNWA: Well, in that, it should be possible to define the mountpoint.
[03:36] <YNWA> /dev/sda4    ext3       /media/sda4             |  |  4811MB
[03:37] <eagles0513875> jw after installing updated pkgs is it essential to reboot the machine
[03:37] <CarinArr> YNWA: it should say /dev/sda4 ext3 / | | 4811MB
[03:37] <CarinArr> so /media/sda4 should be replaced by /
[03:37] <jhaig> YNWA: /media/sda4 (I think) is currently the mountpoint.
[03:38] <YNWA> ah, i chose the "/"
[03:38] <CarinArr> YNWA: double check that only the ext3 and the swap are set to be formatted
[03:38] <jhaig> If you look in the others, they will have similar settings.  This means, when you boot up into the newly installed system you will be able to access them via the /media directory.
[03:39] <YNWA> a warning came up saying something
[03:39] <CarinArr> "something"
[03:39] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:39] <YNWA> can I paste here or in the paste bin?
[03:39] <YNWA> :)
[03:39] <CarinArr> how many lines?
[03:39] <YNWA> 4
[03:39] <CarinArr> pastebin then please:)
[03:39] <YNWA> alrighty
[03:40] <YNWA> crap where is it again?
[03:40] <CarinArr> !pastebin
[03:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:40] <YNWA> the paste bin
[03:40] <jhaig> Is it warning you that partitions will be reformatted?
[03:41] <eagles0513875> i installed the ndiswrapper front end and it wont load
[03:41] <CarinArr> eagles0513875: errors?
[03:41] <ruffe> how do i get the UUID of a partition?
[03:41] <YNWA> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15215/
[03:42] <eagles0513875> nope nothing comes on the scree no errors what so ever
[03:42] <m`kay> hi guys.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ruffe: ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/
[03:42] <eagles0513875> im going to purge it and reinstall it
[03:42] <m`kay> is azureus in feisty still full of bugs like in dapper or edgy?
[03:42] <CarinArr> YNWA: which partition are you trying to resize?
[03:42] <eagles0513875> on the bottow it comes up then quits all of a sudden
[03:43] <eagles0513875> should i try black list the driver that comes by default with the kernel
[03:43] <CarinArr> eagles0513875: have you tried to start the frontend from a terminal
[03:43] <slipttees> hey
[03:43] <YNWA> I just edited ext3 so its mount point is "/"
[03:43] <CarinArr> no changes in partition sizes?
[03:43] <YNWA> nope
[03:43] <eagles0513875> no i have not iill try it now
[03:44] <CarinArr> and only swap and ext3 partitions are ticked for formatting
[03:44] <YNWA> ah - sorry, the 4801 became 4800
[03:44] <YNWA> MB
[03:44] <eagles0513875> it worked now
[03:44] <CarinArr> ah okay..
[03:44] <eagles0513875> now that i installed driver i need to black list the one with the kernel
[03:44] <CarinArr> out of interest, what's the last "unnamed" partition?
[03:44] <CarinArr> just emtpy space?
[03:44] <YNWA> /dev/sda3
[03:44] <YNWA> dunno what it is
[03:45] <CarinArr> how big is it?
[03:45] <slipttees> as configure pppoeconf in the Feisty?
[03:45] <YNWA> 320MB
[03:45] <YNWA> I can't select swap for formatting
[03:45] <CarinArr> YNWA: the swap one should be formatted automatically
[03:45] <slipttees> as configure pppoeconf in the Feisty?
[03:46] <YNWA> ah ok, so I click on format and continue?
[03:46] <slipttees> pppoeconf command not found! :(
[03:46] <CarinArr> !pt
[03:46] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:46] <eagles0513875> CarinArr: now its not installing any of the drivers
[03:46] <CarinArr> YNWA: yep
[03:47] <slipttees> CarinArr: they no help me
[03:47] <shirish> are people having problems connecting to bugs.launchpad.net?
[03:47] <YNWA> CarinArr: who's ubotu?
[03:47] <CarinArr> bot:)
[03:47] <shirish> YNWA: a bot
[03:47] <YNWA> ah
[03:48] <YNWA> I was thinking no one could speak that many languagues
[03:48] <CarinArr> shirish: seems very slow
[03:48] <CarinArr> lol YNWA
[03:48] <eagles0513875> ive blacklisted the driver that came with the kernel
[03:48] <shirish> CarinArr: same here, very very slow :(
[03:48] <eagles0513875> now i need help with installing the driver using ndiswrapper frontend
[03:48] <YNWA> it's asking me to import Docs & Settings from XP, should I?
[03:48] <CarinArr> eagles0513875: i've never used any ndiswrapper frontend i'm afraid
[03:48] <YNWA> my user on XP
[03:49] <eagles0513875> has anyone used the ndiswrapper frontend before
[03:49] <CarinArr> YNWA: uhm.. no idea;) you can if you want i suppose.. i've never had that option
[03:49] <CarinArr> could be because i don't have xp instaled
[03:49] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:49] <YNWA> :D
[03:49] <eagles0513875> ill brb guys moment of truth its saying the module is installed
[03:49] <funkyHat> YNWA, it won't hurt to try it, and CarinArr yeah that would be why ;)
[03:49] <eagles0513875> brb
[03:49] <YNWA> the dominance of Microsoft forces me to use Xp
[03:50] <CarinArr> right i'm goign to go plant the rest of my plants before they die in the sun
[03:50] <CarinArr> ta ra
[03:50] <YNWA> thanks CarinArr for the help btw
[03:50] <CarinArr> welcome:)
[03:50] <YNWA> glad in your part of the world the sun is still up
[03:51] <ruffe> how do i find UUID of /dev/mdX?
[03:52] <YNWA> alrighty, things are installing... thanks guys for the help
[03:52] <shirish> ruffe: the one hdd u are using would be listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:52] <shirish> ruffe: there you should find atleast the present disks uuid
[03:53] <shooters> no package named `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386' is installed, cannot configure
[03:53] <ruffe> shirish, booting on cd
[03:53] <shooters> what do I do?
[03:54] <shirish> ruffe: you have an edgy install on the HDD or its an XP thing? sorry have not followed the discussion before
[03:55] <ruffe> shirish, upgraded from edgy to feisty
[03:55] <ruffe> shirish, and now it can't boot
[03:55] <shirish> ruffe: then pray, why are u using a cd, doing some rescue thing?
[03:56] <ruffe> shirish, yes
[03:56] <shirish> ruffe: ah ok, there is something called chroot which is supposed to help
[03:57] <ruffe> shirish, not by it self
[03:57] <shirish> ruffe: I have never done it, trying to find if there is some documentation somewhere of it
[03:58] <ruffe> i have a UUID in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, how can i check it?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ruffe: ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/
[03:59] <shirish> Hobbsee: does that command work only on the CD, or can a person use it to see the uuid on the hdd also while running that hdd?
[04:00] <ruffe> Hobbsee, no mdX there
[04:00] <Hobbsee> shirish: both
[04:00] <Hobbsee> shirish: in fact, the latter is the oen mostly used
[04:00] <Hobbsee> ruffe: ahh
[04:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: I get this ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/
[04:02] <shirish> Hobbsee:  No such file or directory
[04:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: disk, not disks, sorry
[04:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: ah, ok
[04:07] <Ayabara> !restricted
[04:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:14] <valehru> Hey guys, from /var/www/ I am unable to rename or edit files or folders...what gives?
[04:14] <lupine_85> permissions?
[04:14] <coNP> valehru: are you owning these files / folders?
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> valehru: add yourself to the www-data group
[04:14] <shirish> this is so sad as well as so cool, so many of my bugs are being responded to today but I cannot seem to connect to bugs.launchpad.net today :(
[04:14] <valehru> tonyyarusso, how do I do that?
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> valehru: sudo adduser valehru www-data
[04:14] <valehru> well I did "sudo -R valehru /var/www/"
[04:14] <valehru> I thought that would have done the job
[04:16] <Hidan> omg
[04:16] <Hidan> finally finished the book... how sad.
[04:16] <shirish> Hidan: which book was that?
[04:17] <Hidan> shirish: mmm... Playing with fire by Dana Stabenow
[04:17] <Hidan> her writing's not so good in her earlier books though...
[04:17] <shirish> never heard of that one, I just finished the debian install by debian.org (pdf) today lol :P
[04:18] <Hidan> shirish: oh it's mystery. takes place in Alaska.
[04:19] <shirish> Hidan: oh cool, the last fictional or do not know what was 'The Pilgrimage' by the same author who had written 'The Alchemist'
[04:20] <Hidan> shirish: interesting. what was the author's name?
[04:20] <shirish> Hidan: ok hold on, I will find it out in a moment, wikipedia to the rescue
[04:20] <Hidan> shirish: ah thank you. ^_^
[04:20] <shirish> Hidan: yes, Paul Cohelo
[04:21] <shirish> Hidan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pilgrimage
[04:22] <TheVault> I really need some help. For some reason, I'm not able to get my external DVD to read discs while I'm booting up. I have no Blank CDs or I would burn a copy of feisty. I have Windows installed at the moment on my Desktop, which I wanna replace with Feisty fawn, but cannot do that cause of the fact of my DVD player won't read anything when I boot my computer(iv looked in bios, everywhere for...
[04:22] <Hidan> shirish: thank you. :) I won't look, though, since I'll put that on my "to get" list.
[04:22] <TheVault> ...boot sequenece and my dvd player does not show) . Is there a way to install feisty fawn while using Windows Xp to install it?
[04:23] <mweichert> hi guys, I'm trying to preseed a feisty install that has no network connection at the time of install. How do I tell d-i not to install components from a mirror? I keep getting the error "Bad archive mirror" as naturally, the computer cannot connect to the internet without a network connection
[04:23] <shirish> Hidan: it is not a mystery novel, hence u can look, it is how should I say in a sense of finding yourself thing
[04:23] <Hidan> shirish: ooh... I think I know what you mean. Self-enrichment sorta book, huh?
[04:23] <shirish> TheVault: did I read that right, DVD player did u say?
[04:24] <TheVault> shirish: DVD reader/burner/player
[04:24] <shirish> Hidan: yup, something like that, not preachy but sorta tells about his experience
[04:24] <TheVault> shirish: So I can read a DVD with Feisty Fawn on it
[04:24] <Arwen> it's RC day, so, will the new patches come out at midnight?
[04:25] <shirish> TheVault: and you say it reads XP bootable DVD?
[04:25] <Hidan> shirish: good, i never like books where people get preachy, especially when they start insisting that your problems are always your own fault. But not everyone gets to choose the direction of his life. :p
[04:26] <shirish> Hidan: true, but one can always make an effort, take a chill-pill, install Ubuntu for starters lol :p
[04:26] <TheVault> shrish: Basically, its a DVD drive, burns, reads, plays DVDs. Basically, The drive is not in my bios nor can I get it to work at bootup, even with it plugged it. So right now, i'm sitting here on XP, is there a way to install feisty fawn by popping in the DVD I made of feisty fawn and get it install while still using Windows XP while its still installing?
[04:27] <Arwen> TheVault, try making your BIOS rescan the IDE and SATA channels
[04:27] <TheVault> Arwen: How do I do that?
[04:27] <Arwen> dunno, depends on the BIOS
[04:27] <Hidan> shirish: lol :) yeah... for most people, nay for some people. :p After all, there're some who don't even make enough to buy a computer and live their life on the streets. Oh well...
[04:28] <TheVault> Arwen: Well I got a older computer. Pentium 3 Processor 993MHZ with 256MB Of Ram
[04:28] <shirish> Hidan: true
[04:28] <TheVault> Arwen: 20GIG HD
[04:28] <shirish> TheVault: no, do not think so
[04:28] <Arwen> dunno then, either way, food....
[04:29] <TheVault> shirish: Well dang. Now I gotta go out and buy some CDs. I can't have the feisty fawn shipped to my house cause i'm moving soon and it takes sometime for the disc to get here.
[04:29] <shirish> TheVault: what I meant was I do not see a way to use windows while installing feisty
[04:29] <Hidan> shirish: hmmm... backing up some stuff now. what a waste of dvd space... 1.7 gb used space, 2.7 gb free. oh well.
[04:30] <TheVault> shrish: Well is there a way I can install feisty without the use of a CD. In my laptop(the one Iv been getting most help on recently) reads DVDs & everything fine, but thats cause the DVD drive is built in
[04:30] <SlimeyPete> shirish: one could probably give VMWare access to a "proper" partition on the hard disk and install Ubuntu via that.
[04:31] <SlimeyPete> might need to set up the bootloader manually though
[04:31] <dfgas_> so has here been any updates to the live cd
[04:31] <shirish> SlimeyPete: how did that one slip through my mind, yes you could use vmware but it would be excruciatingly slow
[04:31] <TheVault> SlimeyPete: My desktop would die. Vmware does not work very good on a low end computer like I have
[04:32] <shirish> SlimeyPete: he has a p3 something
[04:32] <SlimeyPete> vmware's not *that* slow... but yeah, on your hardware it'd be painful
[04:32] <TheVault> Yeah it would
[04:32] <TheVault> I even had touble with it on my high end computer
[04:32] <shirish> SlimeyPete: Qemu would have been good I guess but it needs to be ported for Windows
[04:32] <SlimeyPete> it has been.
[04:33] <shirish> TheVault: have u tried Qemu?
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> VirtualBox is qemu-based, and there's a vanilla qemu port around somewhere too.
[04:33] <TheVault> shirish: Whats that?
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> thing is, Qemu's no faster than vmware
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> these days
[04:33] <TheVault> oh
[04:33] <Hidan> btw, out of all those virtual ware stuff, which one's the best? i've heard of virtualbox and the like.
[04:33] <shirish> TheVault: seems you got yourself in a fix
[04:34] <Lukian> The last push of updates broke nvidia :(
[04:34] <TheVault> shrish: Yeah.  VMWare's the daddy but in theory you have to pay for Workstation in order to get all the desktop-oriented features. Microsoft's VirtualPC is rubbish - slow as treacle and it doesn't play well with non-Windows OSes.
[04:34] <TheVault> shirish: Talk about a waste of a perfectly good CD
[04:34] <Hidan> yeah virtualpc is awful... it took me like 5 mins just to prompt the cursor into moving!
[04:35] <shirish> TheVault: here they cost about 1/4th of a dollar
[04:35] <Hidan> slimey: i've tried VMWare player but... i wasn't able to get winxp to run in it.
[04:35] <shirish> TheVault: same as a DVD
[04:35] <SlimeyPete> odd. If anything's gonna run without a hitch in VMWare, it's Windows.
[04:35] <TheVault> shrish: I rather not spend no money. I'm going to do what Arwen said and do the scan thing in the Bios
[04:36] <TheVault> Hopefully, it finds something. Brb in a bit
[04:36] <Hidan> shirish: yeah dvds and cdrs are pretty cheap in singapore. but, i also have cdrs too, 'cos i like to backup my music cds.
[04:36] <shirish> Hidan: same here, although do not backup music so often
[04:36] <Lukian> I can't wait till feisty final, assuming they fix these bugs :/
[04:37] <Hidan> lukian: yeah same here.
[04:37] <AlexC_> yay, running Feisty!
[04:37] <shirish> Lukian: i am waiting for the feisty+1 alpha, when I will be able to break the box again, see what works or not, file bugs (which is a high in itself) and learn more about the OS doing that
[04:37] <Lukian> *wonders when the next version of nvidia restricted drivers will be pushed*
[04:38] <Hidan> shirish: just got 50 dvd+r discs and 50 cdrs yesterday. cost me about 1,400 rupees.
[04:38] <Hidan> alexc_ congrats!
[04:38] <shirish> Hidan: wowie, that is singapore rupees right
[04:39] <Hidan> shirish: alpha, huh? filing bugs is kinda fun.
[04:39] <Hidan> shirish: no converted into indian rupees. we use Singapore dollars here. :P
[04:39] <shirish> Hidan: yup, quite like it actually
[04:39] <shirish> Hidan: wow, that is big spend here
[04:39] <AlexC_> got one problem though, I installed gnome-compiz-manager and on Edgy, I could find it in the menus ... however, it is not there with Feisty, and if I run "gnome-compiz-manage" in terminal, it's not there
[04:39] <shirish> Hidan: actually not so much, it would have costed around 1k here, so not bad at all
[04:40] <crazy_bus> can anyone tell me how Rip Video dvd in k3b works.  I tried it but it just loads the video_ts and audio_ts folder
[04:40] <shirish> Hidan: for as I understand the Singapore dollar has more value than the Indian rupee
[04:41] <slytherin> shirish: 50 DVD+ARE itself would cost you Rs. 1250
[04:41] <Hidan> shirish: speaking about bugs, check out this. lol.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/105811
[04:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 105811 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu: Many suggestions included" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:41] <Hidan> what's ARE ?
[04:42] <shirish> yeah, whats ARE?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> launchpad is not loading here...
[04:42] <slytherin> Hidan: shirish: Sorry, text replacement by Gaim. :-D DVD+R
[04:42] <shirish> Hidan: I am getting timed out on launchpad, the engineers need to fix it or loa dmore servers
[04:43] <shirish> slytherin: are u from India to say from authority?
[04:43] <Hidan> slytherin: whoa that alone?! 50 dvds = 1250 Rs. ???! Yeeks.
[04:43] <frederific> will feisty be available on shipit?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> shirish: possibly maintenance or something happening
[04:43] <slytherin> shirish: Yes, I am.
[04:43] <slytherin> frederific: Yes.
[04:43] <Hidan> shirish: yeah well, loading times have been a bit slow for me on launchpad lately.
[04:44] <slytherin> thoreauputic: launchpad accessible here
[04:44] <thoreauputic> slytherin: hmm
[04:44] <frederific> slytherin: thx
[04:44] <Hidan> frederic: yes... shipit allows you to apply for Feisty cds xD
[04:44] <shirish> slytherin: i have got 10 DVD of National do not remember whether it is + or - DVD R but get both for 10 bucks each
[04:44] <slytherin> Hidan: shirish: FYI ... 1 Singapore $ = 33 INR
[04:44] <Hidan> slytherin: yeah i used a currency converter.
[04:45] <thoreauputic> slytherin: taking forever in .au apparently...
[04:45] <slytherin> Hidan: shirish: Sorry it is 27 INR. I quotes AUS $ rate
[04:45] <Hidan> slytherin: shirish: in SGD, i paid 16 + 29 bucks. = 45 SGD$.
[04:45] <slytherin> shirish: Ahh. I think them Moser Baer (whatever the spelling) are costly
[04:45] <Hidan> maxell media.
[04:45] <thoreauputic> slytherin: finally loads... took about 30 seconds
[04:46] <shirish> slytherin: there is a make of Moser Baer which one should not purchase, I do not remember the exact one, but its told to be trouble
[04:46] <Hidan> shirish: what's moser baer? don't see it in singapore.
[04:47] <shirish> slytherin: thoreauputic: finally times out after 5 minutes
[04:47] <shirish> Hidan: its an Indian company which makes branded CDs & DVDs
[04:47] <shirish> blanks
[04:47] <thoreauputic> heh - that suggestion bug is a long rant :))
[04:47] <shirish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moser_Baer
[04:47] <slytherin> shirish: anyway, I don't have DVD writer yet. So I won't buy them anyway. If I ever buy a DVD writer (USB) then I will buy Sony DVDs :-D
[04:48] <shirish> slytherin: I am happy there, Sony ones are mega-expensive too, I make do with cheap ones
[04:48] <Hidan> thoreauputic: HEY! :P it took me many hours to write up those suggestions... grr.
[04:48] <shirish> Hidan: could u make a pastebin paste out of it
[04:48] <Hidan> shirish: aye sure...
[04:48] <Hidan> shirish: hang on, man.
[04:48] <shirish> sure
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Hidan: hah
[04:49] <Hidan> thoreauputic: what? :P
[04:49] <slytherin> Hidan: Some suggestions are good. Why not split them in wishlist bugs? Anyway, most of them won't make it to feisty.
[04:49] <shirish> also they are going in now for selling cheap movies on DVD, Moser Baer, single movie, 1 Singapore Dollar
[04:50] <Hidan> slytherin: how do i post in wishlist?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Hidan: no further comments. m'lud
[04:50] <Hidan> thoreauputic: bah, i'm female xD
[04:50] <Hidan> shirish: wait sooo cheap?!!!!! 1 buck per movie?!
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Hidan: OK, m'lady ;p
[04:50] <AnRkey> when is RC1 due?
[04:50] <shirish> Hidan: you cannot make it wishlist , but can say they are wishlist material, then the guys will automatically categorize it so
[04:50] <AlexC_> How can I get gnome-compiz-manager? I install it, but - it's not in the menus and can't launch it via Terminal, it was here in Edgy! where's it gnoe?
[04:50] <shirish> AnRkey: today it seems
[04:50] <AnRkey> woohoo
[04:51] <slytherin> Hidan: I meant that probably put [wishlist]  in the bug description.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: try system -preferences - GL Desktop
[04:51] <AnRkey> i just did a fresh install of the beta, then a full update and then tried the nvidia drivers with compiz
[04:51] <AnRkey> worked first time and smooth as silk
[04:51] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: hum no it wasn't that one
[04:51] <AnRkey> very impressed
[04:51] <AnRkey> can't wait to try the RC1
[04:52] <Hidan> shirish: http://pastebin.ca/436449
[04:52] <slytherin> AlexC_: perhaps you need to add it to panel.
[04:52] <Hidan> shirish: okay thank you!
[04:52] <shirish> AnRkey: there was a big update today about the nvidia stuff
[04:52] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: there is another, more advanced configure for Compiz called gnome-compiz-manager ... I used it in Edgy, but I just installed it in Feisty and it's not there
[04:52] <slytherin> AlexC_: Or if you just installed it then 'killall gnome-panel'
[04:52] <AlexC_> no, it's not a panel applet,
[04:52] <AnRkey> shirish: go on...
[04:52] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: gnome-compiz-preferences ?
[04:52] <AlexC_> no, gnome-compiz-manager
[04:53] <AlexC_> a more advanced version, allows you to tweak all plugins
[04:53] <Hidan> omg launchpad's horrendously slow
[04:53] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: I don't know then, sorry
[04:53] <AnRkey> AlexC_: now i wanna go back to work and play with it! damn you man!
[04:53] <AnRkey> :P
[04:53] <AlexC_> play with Compiz? :P
[04:53] <Hidan> mmm compiz eh? i haven't even dared to try that or beryl
[04:53] <shirish> AnRkey: oh, just that, I  noticed it as I keep a watch on what new updates are coming, nothing else, I am on i845 chipset
[04:53] <Hidan> 'cos my system was giving me problems
[04:53] <AnRkey> gnome-compiz-preferences
[04:54] <AlexC_> I see,
[04:54] <Hidan> shirish: sorry, though, that's a very long list lol
[04:54] <AnRkey> shirish: how easy is i845 driver to install and use?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: apt-cache show gnome-compiz-preferences   says that it's the same, with a tray icon ( you can get the icon from the gui dialogue)
[04:54] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: try sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[04:54] <AnRkey> shirish: looking into a dell laptop with that chipset now that they ship laptops without an OS on request
[04:54] <AlexC_> it's in there, it downloads and installs, yet .... it's no where to be found
[04:54] <shirish> AnRkey: there is one which comes with the stock install of feisty & there is one experimental whic can  be used
[04:55] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: i don't need to - I just told you what apt-cache show says
[04:55] <AnRkey> shirish: which one works with glx effects and compiz?
[04:55] <shirish> AlexC_ try which gnome-compiz-manager
[04:55] <shirish> AnRkey: what chipset do u have?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: it comtains gnome-compiz-preferences and compiz-tray-icon
[04:56] <shirish> Hidan: I am reading it, will let u know in a while then go for a bath
[04:56] <AnRkey> well my laptop for work is a dell xps m170 with a 6900gtx
[04:56] <AlexC_> hum, that's not right though, thoreauputic - because I installed it on Edgy and it was gnome-compiz-manager and preferences was a seperate program
[04:56] <AnRkey> and my testing machine is has a 7800GS nvidia
[04:56] <Hidan> shirish: oh np xD
[04:56] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: *shrug*
[04:56] <AnRkey> AlexC_: how much more stuff can you set?
[04:56] <AlexC_> everything,
[04:57] <AlexC_> configure every plugin, every shortcut
[04:57] <shirish> AnRkey: then the intel driver is of no use to you.
[04:57] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: aptitude install gnome-compiz-manager --> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[04:57] <AnRkey> ooooh nice, i use beryls shorcut stuff to add things like "super R" and "super E"
[04:58] <jtt> thoreauputic: how did you embolden the  word  shrug  just a moment ago  waht key strokes embolden words
[04:58] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: are you thinking of the beryl manager?
[04:58] <AlexC_> type /me hello
[04:58] <AnRkey> shirish: does beryl or compiz not work with it?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> jtt: just put * around it
[04:58] <thoreauputic> jtt: like *this*
[04:58] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: nope, I've used both beryl and Compiz and they use very different managers
[04:58] <jtt> thoreauputic: thanks
[04:58] <shirish> AnRkey: it works, but u need the intel express chipset as ur graphics & from what u told, it seems u do not have an intel integrated graphics chipset
[04:59] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: 'tis a mystery then - i too would like more options in the compiz GUI
[04:59] <AlexC_> let me see if I can find a screenshot of it
[04:59] <shirish> AnRkey: it is for intel integrated graphics chipset only, the experimental driver
[04:59] <AnRkey> shirish: no thats what i have now
[04:59] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: I get sick of trying to work out the gconf-editor options...
[04:59] <AnRkey> what i am looking at getting is a dell with your chipset
[04:59] <shirish> AnRkey: ah ok, lemme find the right bug-report for you then
[05:00] <AnRkey> do you have it working with beryl or compiz?
[05:00] <shirish> AnRkey: bug #90213 there u go
[05:00] <AnRkey> shweet thanks :D
[05:00] <shirish> ubotu seems to be sleeping again
[05:00] <shirish> https://launchpad.net/bugs/90213
[05:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress]
[05:01] <thoreauputic> hmm ubotu has been very sluggish today
[05:01] <shirish> not his fault actually ubotu: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The connect operation timed out
[05:01] <AnRkey> i am prbly only gonna get it later this year and i think i might just stick to nvidia for the graphics chipset for sake of ease and less hair loss
[05:01] <thoreauputic> shirish: ah
[05:01] <shirish> AnRkey: granted that one
[05:02] <AnRkey> shirish: the nvidia drivers and compiz are installed for you by feisty now
[05:02] <AnRkey> so very very easy
[05:02] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: woops, I got it mixed up - it wasn't gnome-compiz-manager but instead this http://compiz.org/Compiz-Settings
[05:02] <shirish> AnRkey: I know by the description but have not yet had the opportunity to actually see it
[05:02] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: ah
[05:03] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: looking
[05:03] <AnRkey> shirish: actually funny enough, i played with vista a while ago and auro was much harder to get working than compiz was in feisty beta :)
[05:03] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: link seems to be dead, though
[05:03] <AnRkey> aero, soz :D
[05:03] <mweichert_> has anyone here been able to successfully preseed feisty?
[05:04] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: yes, and no package in feisty apparently
[05:04] <AlexC_> shame, it's a very nice settings manager for it
[05:04] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: the options have been changing pretty fast - maybe it is just out of date
[05:04] <AlexC_> maybe, but they are changing there site over
[05:05] <AlexC_> and the links seem to be the old links,
[05:05] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: beryl and compiz are rejoining anyway
[05:05] <hylje> if they manage
[05:05] <AlexC_> yep, I just need my daily dose of wobbly windows
[05:06] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: I have had more fun with Beryl actually :)
[05:06] <shirish> Hidan: u there?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: although if anything Beryl is just *too much*
[05:06] <AlexC_> I normally use Beryl, how ever I find Compiz more polished and professional
[05:07] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: well, yes - Beryl is a bit of an eye candy whore ( taste is not an issue)
[05:07] <mweichert_> can feisty be installed without a network connection?
[05:07] <shirish> AlexC_: I just tried the desktop-effects for a while then went back to the daily way of doing things
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> mweichert_: ye
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> s
[05:07] <shirish> mweichert_: absolutely, but then getting the networking right would be some pain afterwards
[05:07] <AlexC_> oh hold on ... Compiz doesn't have group windows
[05:08] <AlexC_> hum, may need to bring in Beryl for that then =
[05:08] <AlexC_> =\
[05:08] <mweichert_> why does the installer insist on configuring a mirror?
[05:08] <shirish> mweichert_: if your network connection is on, then it would configure the connection, whether you want to use it l8ter is upto u
[05:08] <thoreauputic> mweichert_: because most people would not know how to do it themselves?
[05:08] <mweichert_> tonyyarusso, shirish - have either of you ever preseeded the install?
[05:08] <shirish> mweichert_: have read about it, but no have not done it as of yet
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> mweichert_: You mean built our own disks?
[05:10] <mweichert_> I don't get it, I've preseeded the install to configure no network connection and haven't specificed any mirror settings... but the installer fails as it is trying to fetch the release file from archive.ubuntu.com
[05:10] <mweichert_> but of course it can't fetch from the internet with no network connection
[05:10] <mweichert_> I'm stumped
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> The default one should fail once and ask you to continue...
[05:10] <mweichert_> tonyyarusso: noppers
[05:11] <shirish> mweichert_:  no idea m8, the debian channel should be more helpful in this regard, because they built the debian-installer
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> Hrm.  The alternate CD does.
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> shirish: I think he may be talking Ubiquity?
[05:11] <mweichert_> if I click continue, the same message appears "bad archive mirror"
[05:11] <shirish> tonyyarusso: ah ok
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> mweichert_: Desktop or Alternate ?
[05:11] <AlexC_> well that was easy, beryl install in 2 mins ... oh I love it, I love it!
[05:11] <mweichert_> Alternate
[05:12] <AnRkey> thoreauputic: when is compiz and beryl going to join?
[05:12] <shirish> ok guys off to a bath now
[05:12] <mweichert_> shirish: thanks for your help
[05:12] <thoreauputic> AnRkey: I don't know - I just read that they are working on it
[05:13] <hidan> omg
[05:13] <thoreauputic> AnRkey: it won't be a white weddind, i guess ;p
[05:13] <hidan> i accidentally uninstalled my ATI drivers
[05:13] <thoreauputic> *wedding
[05:13] <hidan> now feisty won't load and i'm running off my live cd.
[05:13] <hidan> geez
[05:14] <thoreauputic> hidan: boot in recovery mode, reconfigure X and choose the vesa driver, then fix it when it boots to a gui
[05:14] <hidan> uhmmm how do i reconfigure X?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> hidan:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:14] <gnomefreak> hidan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:15] <thoreauputic> gnomefreak: ;)
[05:15] <hidan> omg thank guys :D
[05:15] <gnomefreak> thoreauputic: :)
[05:15] <AnRkey> thoreauputic: I did some googlesnooping and found this http://www.linuxlookup.com/2007/apr/05/compiz_and_beryl_reunited_officially
[05:15] <AnRkey> thoreauputic: explains it nicely
[05:15] <AnRkey> it looks very exciting
[05:15] <thoreauputic> AnRkey: ah - thanks for the link :)
[05:16] <gnomefreak> it hasnt been merged yet but they are working on it
[05:16] <hidan> right guys and damnit, my system had to freeze at that time.
[05:16] <AnRkey> i hope it has a nice quick pace for dev work like beryl did
[05:16] <hidan> anyone here had system freeze completely before, in Feisty? As in, even magic keys won't restart the pc and you need to do cold reboot.
[05:16] <arkora> I am running linux 2.6.20-*14* on feisty, and need to install the old version 2.6.20-*13*. Where can I find these debs? They do not exist in the repositories anymore, and I have deleted my archive cache. Any ideas?
[05:16] <AnRkey> hidan: where you doing an update?
[05:17] <hidan> anrkey: no it happens on random.
[05:17] <thoreauputic> hidan: usually binary driver issues
[05:17] <hidan> anrkey: i've no idea why.
[05:17] <hidan> thoreauputic: huh? binary drivers?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> arkora: you didnt leave it in grub?
[05:17] <AnRkey> hidan: have you checked your logs?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> hidan: ati and nvidia ( ati especially)
[05:17] <hidan> anrkey: nothing much about that issue in the logs.
[05:18] <thoreauputic> hidan: have you been living under a rock?
[05:18] <arkora> gnomefreak: no. (will never do that again)
[05:18] <hidan> thoreauputic: hey that was uncalled for, man... ><;;
[05:18] <gnomefreak> file that under smae heading while were at it
[05:18] <mweichert_> does ubuntu-desktop contain any packages NOT on the cd?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> arkora: ok look in /var/apt/cache
[05:19] <hidan> thoreauputic: yeah i even installed a separate set of ATI drivers but no use... the system still froze. Then again, maybe  i needed to restart the pc after installing. duh.
[05:19] <AnRkey> i am a sad man today
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> why?
[05:19] <arkora> gnomefreak: I have deleted the archive cache. (will never do that again ;)
[05:19] <AnRkey> the last thing i need from linux just is not there yet
[05:19] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: why what?
[05:19] <mastertsunami> whats the last thing you need
[05:19] <gnomefreak> arkora: are you sure you want to be using feisty?
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> that was @ AnRkey
[05:19] <AnRkey> i would move now on my personal machine if i could game as easilly
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> aaah
[05:20] <thoreauputic> hidan: I just wonder why you are using a devel OS with ati and son't know what is meant by "binary drivers" ;)
[05:20] <AnRkey> i just can't leave bf2
[05:20] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec let me think of name for it
[05:20] <AnRkey> i tried but it didn't work
[05:20] <mastertsunami> bf2 works pretty well in linux
[05:20] <hidan> thoreauputic: hey, i've spent less than 2 weeks on linux so hold it off. :P
[05:20] <mastertsunami> did you try cedega?
[05:20] <AnRkey> the withdrawel hit me hard
[05:20] <DanaG> BF2 uses OpenAL, so audio should work fine.
[05:20] <AlexC_> hum that's ashame, Rthymbox doesn't ask to install codecs,
[05:20] <mastertsunami> it did for me :
[05:21] <mastertsunami> what file type is it?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> hidan: then why on earth are you running a beta like feisty ? Just curious...
[05:21] <AlexC_> really? mp3
[05:21] <AnRkey> DanaG: I suppose when feisty is at stable i will try again with cedega
[05:21] <DanaG> As long as you rename "BF2OpenAL.dll" to something else, if you have an Audigy.
[05:21] <arkora> gnomefreak: I've been using Linux for 11 years, it was just stupid of me. Is there any other source, or a server where old builds are available?
[05:21] <gnomefreak> arkora: open synaptic and search for kernel
[05:21] <hidan> thoreauputic: oh because Dapper was completely unstable on my pc. I did 2 reformats and still, things went wrong. So people recommended Feisty.
[05:21] <AlexC_> Totem though, does install the codecs
[05:21] <AnRkey> DanaG: thanks for the tip
[05:21] <mastertsunami> i'd file a bug
[05:21] <DanaG> Video may be a different issue, though.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> hidan: hmm
[05:22] <AlexC_> mastertsunami: is Rtyhmbox suppose to, though?
[05:22] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[05:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:22] <hidan> thoreauputic: yeah too many factors into why things went wrong.
[05:22] <AnRkey> does any1 know how to get uvox streams to work with totem?
[05:22] <mastertsunami> AlexC_: I thought so but thinking back I might have tried a video file first
[05:22] <DanaG> In fact, if you have a sound card that supports OpenAL in the Windows drivers, the same tweak will apply there'.
[05:22] <thoreauputic> hidan: well, you are jumping in a t the deep end - good luck :)
[05:22] <mastertsunami> in either case, it should ask you
[05:22] <DanaG> google "bf2openal.dll"
[05:23] <AlexC_> hum, wtf
[05:23] <AlexC_> Rythmbox has gone mad :P
[05:23] <hidan> thoreauputic: oh don't worry, i've spent quite a few days running Feisty.
[05:23] <AlexC_> it wont play any file ...
[05:23] <thoreauputic> hidan: at least there are only a few days to go before release
[05:23] <AnRkey> hey! no fair, whenever i say wtf i get told off :(
[05:23] <hidan> thoreauputic: how many more days before RC1?
[05:23] <AlexC_> wtf really? :P
[05:23] <thoreauputic> hidan: any time now I think
[05:23] <gnomefreak> it should be out
[05:23] <AnRkey> AlexC_: :D
[05:24] <AlexC_> RC1 is out today ... I downloaded todays Daily and everything is fine
[05:24] <gnomefreak> check !daily   they were testing it yesterday
[05:24] <AlexC_> I couldn't wait any longer,
[05:24] <Toma-> whats the dd command to clear a drive?
[05:24] <AlexC_> and now I'm running Feisty =) yay
[05:24] <Toma-> if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while before the hard work begins
[05:25] <AnRkey> well i am in UK and it's normally at night here when the herds or beta's are out
[05:25] <hidan> thoreauputic: yeah here's to hoping things work well... with the RC1 or else, i'll probably try another flavour of linux or go back to WinXP.
[05:25] <arkora> gnomefreak: I've done that, but synaptic tells me linux-2.6.20-13 is not available at the server any more. I can't find it at ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta or at any other mirror either.
[05:25] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what is the issue?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> hidan: feisty is working well here ...
[05:25] <gnomefreak> arkora: than your not getting it
[05:26] <AlexC_> it's working great here as well!
[05:26] <gnomefreak> see if #ubuntu-kernel still has them
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ok now i am really gone
[05:26] <AlexC_> with edgy I had to go to the docs and install all of these codecs yadaadad, Feisty .. nice, just double click a file and it downloads them ... superb.
[05:26] <hidan> johnnybuoy: Feisty freezed at least 5 times so far... Magic keys don't work and according to thoreauputic, it could likely be a binary driver issue.
[05:26] <arkora> gnomefreak: thanks.
[05:26] <AlexC_> same with graphics card drivers, I love it :P
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> hidan, you have ATI?
[05:27] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yep, ATI. i installed xorg-driver-fglrx as well. however, right now, i'm booting off the livecd. i accidentally uninstalled my default ati drivers lol
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> hidan, ATI don't really suppot linux, the same bugs have been around in their drivers for more that 2 years
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> they make that driver to get on people's nerves and make linux seem bad
[05:28] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i heard that so what can i do?
[05:29] <AlexC_> tis why I switched to nVidia :P
[05:29] <thoreauputic> !ati | hidan
[05:29] <johnnybuoy> they taint the kernel, thus it is not a linux issu, it is an ATI issu
[05:29] <ubotu> hidan: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <Toma-> i support nvidia with my wallet. boo to ati!
[05:29] <hidan> johnnybuoy: so you mean with those drivers, system freezes(Magic keys don't work, etc., etc.) are a common issue?
[05:29] <johnnybuoy> hidan, well, I'm sorry to say, but if you want 3D, then you really have no choice....
[05:29] <johnnybuoy> hidan, very common
[05:30] <hidan> johnnybuoy: argh...
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> hidan, everyone who uses it has them
[05:30] <thoreauputic> hidan: "Don't buy... ATI "
[05:30] <DanaG> Hmm, what video card do you have?
[05:30] <AnRkey> AlexC_: Feisty is the best linux DE i have ever used, there are loads of toys hidden. The final release notes will list them all.
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what videocard?
[05:30] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i don't exactly have the cash to change everything in my system right now. :(
[05:30] <hidan> johnnybuoy: powercolor 9600 pro
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> not everything, the videocard is tough
[05:30] <AlexC_> AnRkey: I think you mean Distro, not DE :P oo, hidden toys? what like?
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what do you use it for?
[05:30] <DanaG> Oh, for a 9600 you can use the OSS driversm right?
[05:30] <Telep> yeah
[05:31] <DanaG> "radeon"
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> hidan, there are pretty good "experimental" drivers for that card
[05:31] <Telep> I'm using them with my mobile radeon 9000
[05:31] <AlexC_> where is my Beryl window grouper?!
[05:31] <DanaG> you'd have to purge the fglrx drivers with apt.
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> yes, all of fglrx
[05:31] <hidan> johnnybuoy: oh boy lol... phew . i'm saved. so the OSS driversm are okay?
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> DanaG, depends, those r300 drivers don't really work for blender eg.
[05:31] <hidan> but first of all, i accidentally wiped my default ATI drivers
[05:31] <Telep> compiz works fine, but e.g. Gimp is sluggish
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> hidan, yes, some issues with textures tho
[05:31] <AlexC_> I can't live without Window groping, I thought that was in Beryl 0.2?!
[05:31] <hidan> i need to load VEGA drivers first.
[05:32] <thoreauputic> the radeon driver works OK on my iBook with a 9200 ati card
[05:32] <hidan> johnnybuoy: oh don't worry, i have WinXP for my games.
[05:32] <johnnybuoy> hidan, REMOVE fglrx COMPLETELY from your system
[05:32] <AlexC_> sudo apt-get remove --purge package   will do the trick
[05:32] <johnnybuoy> fglrx is a virus created by ati
[05:32] <hidan> johnnybuoy: well i'd the system freezes before i installed flgrx though.
[05:32] <shirish> akora: you looking for old builds of kernels or old releases of ubuntu?
[05:32] <shirish> hidan: hi
[05:33] <johnnybuoy> ati salespersons should go to hell for making the life of their users so hard
[05:33] <hidan> shirish: hey again...
[05:33] <shirish> hidan: ok I looked at the patebin
[05:33] <shirish> hidan: and sorry to say its a big brain dump
[05:33] <AlexC_> how can I get rid of the Network manager icon? I'm on a wired connection and it always will be,
[05:33] <AlexC_> I don't want that little icon sitting on my tray,
[05:33] <shirish> hidan: what u need to do is figure out which ones are documentation issues
[05:33] <hidan> johnnybuoy: so are you trying to say that the default ATI drivers installed in ubuntu: xserver-xorg-ati are also a cause of system freezes?
[05:33] <hidan> shirish: yeah good point...
[05:34] <shirish> hidan: and put them on the documentation mailing list, not all but 1 at a time
[05:34] <johnnybuoy> hidan, no, those are fine
[05:34] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: make nm-applet nt executable - sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/nm-applet
[05:34] <hidan> johnnybuoy: hmmm strange. i got system freezes even before installing flgrx.
[05:34] <johnnybuoy> hidan, I thought you had fglrx installed
[05:34] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: i have no idea if that will break anything btw ;)
[05:34] <AlexC_> hehe,
[05:35] <shirish> hidan: get some test-cases as there are 4 architectures which ubuntu is supporting so the lowest common commands should be documented, which work on all the archs. or make architecture specific documentation like debian does
[05:35] <AlexC_> I think it would, really
[05:35] <hidan> johnnybuoy: oh i had the system freezes, so i installed flgrx to hopefully correct them.
[05:35] <DanaG> Actually, instead of chmodding it -x,
[05:35] <johnnybuoy> hidan, hmm, then seee with the VESA drivers, if the system freeses with those too, then it's not a VGA issue
[05:35] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: you can uninstall network-manager but upgrades will try to put it back :)
[05:35] <DanaG> you should just go to the sessions thingy and remove it from startup and from the current session.
[05:35] <AlexC_> never!
[05:35] <AlexC_> lol, I'll remove it after Feisty is released then
[05:35] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i wonder, could it be a kernel problem, though?
[05:35] <johnnybuoy> kernel problem?
[05:36] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i don't know, really... i'm out of solutions here.
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what's your PC's configutarion?
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> hardware configuration
[05:36] <hidan> johnnybuoy: though a few days ago, my psu died and i'd to replace it.
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> hidan, and when do the freeses occure
[05:36] <DanaG> Try running it with no parameters, to see what it's all about -- there's a nifty GUI.
[05:37] <hidan> johnnybuoy: gimme a few minutes please.
[05:37] <johnnybuoy> hidan, then I'd also try a memtest
[05:37] <AlexC_> but with sudo apt-get autoremove it does the same job as aptitude,
[05:37] <johnnybuoy> psu = surge protector?
[05:37] <AlexC_> psu = power supply unit,
[05:37] <johnnybuoy> oh
[05:37] <shirish> johnnybuoy: to run an effective memory test, people usually test for hours, I do not think mylady (Hidan) has that much of patience
[05:38] <hidan> shirish: mmm what do you mean by that? :P
[05:38] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:38] <shirish> lol :p I mean u like to get cracking, and memory test is good only when u have an alternative machine so u can play while the testing is being done in the background
[05:39] <hidan> shirish: wow, how'd you know i like to get cracking? :P
[05:39] <johnnybuoy> cracking?
[05:39] <AndyMcM> Hi there, does anyone know when the RC gets released today?
[05:39] <hidan> johnnybuoy: Athlon A64 3000+/Abit AV8/PowerColor 9600 Pro/Corsair ValueSelect PC3200 1GB/WD SATA 80 GB + WD IDE 160 GB/Audigy 2 Value/Benq 1620 Pro + LG DVD-Rom/SilverTeam 520W PSU
[05:40] <shirish> hidan: from the pastebin u posted its enough to know lol :p
[05:40] <hidan> johnnybuoy: freezes occur when I'm using the internet. :P
[05:40] <mastertsunami> holy crap are you kidding me :O
[05:41] <mastertsunami> "Gutsy Gibbon"
[05:41] <mastertsunami> lol
[05:41] <hidan> johnnybuoy: when i'm using firefox, chatting on irc, etc.
[05:41] <johnnybuoy> lol
[05:41] <hidan> gutsy gibbon?!
[05:41] <hidan> where?
[05:41] <AlexC_> mastertsunami: kinda sucks, I thought it was Gusty Gibbon at first ...
[05:41] <johnnybuoy> hidan, so it's "random freeses" ?
[05:41] <shirish> the new name to feisty+1
[05:41] <mastertsunami> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html
[05:41] <mastertsunami> yeah i thought it was gusty as well
[05:41] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yes...
[05:41] <AlexC_> I want Feisty+1 now =(
[05:41] <sittisal_> i want to be the first ;-)
[05:41] <sittisal_> so i go
[05:41] <sittisal_> ...
[05:41] <sittisal_> hi
[05:41] <AlexC_> morning,
[05:41] <hidan> GUTSY ??! roflmao muhwahahahahaha
[05:42] <sittisal_> when Gusty Gibbon will be relased?
[05:42] <DanaG> s/winder/wonder
[05:42] <sittisal_> i want it now...
[05:42] <sittisal_> eheheh
[05:42] <DanaG> Gusty -- *fart*
[05:42] <shirish> sittisal_: oct 2007
[05:42] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yeah i'll try running memtest
[05:43] <sittisal_> shirish: i want to know the exact day!
[05:43] <sittisal_> :-)
[05:43] <hidan> johnnybuoy: how many passes do you recommend for the memtest, though?
[05:43] <shirish> sittisal_: you will know in few days
[05:43] <thoreauputic> *sigh* using LP is a pain today
[05:43] <mastertsunami> 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 etc
[05:43] <excitatory_> I've been using/testing out the new feisty for a good week or so.. I noticed that it is due to be released in a week or so.  Once the final is released, would it make more sense to backup ~ and do a fresh install, or would just continuing to use the installed beta be fine?
[05:43] <shirish> yup agree to that
[05:43] <sittisal_> yeah i'm joking
[05:44] <AlexC_> =D
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> hidan, a few hours should give a pretty sure result, I guess, tho ppl say a day at least :$
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> hidan, wait tho, just a sec
[05:44] <shirish> hidan: do u have an alternative system or no?
[05:44] <hidan> shirish: man, i could just borrow someone elses' laptop which has winxp on it...
[05:45] <shirish> ok cool, atleast we would have the pleasure of your company
[05:45] <johnnybuoy> hidan, http://forum.abit-usa.com/archive/index.php/t-72512.html this could help?
[05:45] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i actually ran memtest before i installed feisty. however, it ran for only 1 pass before i got annoyed and remembered how long memtest takes to run.
[05:45] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:46] <AnRkey> ok outa here
[05:46] <hidan> johnnybuoy: geez, could be hardware issues, eh? urk i sweat at the idea of opening up my pc =P
[05:46] <hidan> shirish: oh thank you xD
[05:46] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> hidan, check on google for: abit av8 random lockup or random freeze
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> should give you a couple of results
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> sorry, but I have to go now
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> ciao
[05:48] <hidan> johnnybuoy: okay thank you for your help!
[05:48] <hidan> thanks :D
[05:48] <hidan> on the other hand, i could run from winxp and see what happens
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> yeah, if it's hardware issues, it should come up in windoze too
[05:48] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yeah true... :)
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> kewl, see y'all
[05:49] <hidan> thx and bye :D
[05:49] <shirish> hidan: you just bought this machine or assembled it?
[05:49] <shirish> hidan: its a desktop, right?
[05:49] <hidan> shirish: eh it's a desktop and it was assembled about 2 years ago.
[05:50] <hidan> not assembled by me but by the shop i bought the stuff at, though.
[05:50] <DanaG> I wish Nautilus would stop opening ~ at every single login!
[05:50] <shirish> hidan: it could be anything actually from memory starting to fail to the CMOS battery going dead.
[05:51] <shirish> hidan: how is your clock holding or you have set it to sync with time server (UTC) ?
[05:51] <hidan> shirish: yeah true... however we had the system tested at a hardware repair shop yesterday.
[05:51] <DanaG> WTFhell? "Open link in browser" in Gaim isn't working~!
[05:51] <shirish> DanaG: are u sure you did all your updates?
[05:51] <hidan> shirish: mmmm the clock tends to be a bit off whenever i install ubuntu
[05:52] <hidan> oops
[05:52] <hidan> i mean whenever i run ubuntu off the live cd.
[05:53] <shirish> what about the clock in xp or that in the BIOS
[05:53] <andre_pl> does anyone here have a Texas Intruments 5in1 card working with the current feisty kernel?
[05:54] <hidan> shirish: clock in xp and bios are okay.
[05:54] <clever> bug 88430
[05:54] <clever> !bug 88430
[05:54] <shirish> hidan: then probably your memory is failing, and the guys at hardware shop cannot test memory
[05:55] <hidan> shirish: huh... we'll see.
[05:55] <shirish> clever: launchpad is buggy today so ubotu cannot help much
[05:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 88430 in module-init-tools "[feisty]  broken rtl818x and rtl8187 modules loaded at boot time" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88430
[05:55] <clever> shirish: ahhh
[05:55] <shirish> lol, it was not working before
[05:55] <hidan> shirish: after all, there're a million reasons why something can freeze. :/
[05:55] <clever> i forgot the link to the site
[05:55] <Gambaroni> I've been trying to install Ubuntu using PXE. I've followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot?action=show&redirect=PXEInstall and https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html. I get an IP, but when TFTP tries to fetch data, it says: "TFTP open timeout".
[05:56] <clever> shirish: my rtl card had its module blacklisted causing minor problems
[05:56] <shirish> hidan: true but one of the most common reasons for freezing is memory failures, then of course there is the grounding issue as described there
[05:56] <clever> but commenting the blacklist 'fixed' it
[05:56] <clever> but ive now noticed that its become unstable
[05:56] <shirish> clever: you have a realtek ethernet card?
[05:56] <clever> once every 10-20mins the network seems to fully die
[05:56] <clever> and after 10 seconds it comes back to life
[05:56] <hidan> shirish: interestingly enough, though, when I stopped using all browsers built on mozilla, i only had one freeze after that. And that was when ah... i was right-clicking on something.
[05:56] <clever> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20)
[05:57] <shirish> clever: ok cool, are u sure its not the network-manager applet which is showing u this, have u checked the network monitor?
[05:57] <clever> i have a network moniter icon on the gnome-panel
[05:57] <clever> and the icon is changing when i notice a delay in ssh sessions
[05:58] <clever> the delay i beleive is caused by sudden 100% packet loss
[05:58] <DanaG> Gibbon is fine, but "Gutsy" is a bit odd.
[05:58] <shirish> clever: odd, it never happened to me, but then mine worked fine for the moment go
[05:58] <clever> after a few seconds it comes back to working
[05:58] <shirish> clever: could it be a DNS server issue perhaps?