[01:03] <mup> Bug #1515442 opened: Install log doesn't indicate which disk is being installed to <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515442>
[01:16] <mup> Bug #1515448 opened: node boots old installation after deployment <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515448>
[06:49] <mup> Bug #1515498 opened: [1.9rc1] MAAS uses wrong IP for machine's A record <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515498>
[11:26] <mup> Bug #1515571 opened: Cluster Controller trying to connect to the region controller on the same system using the proxy <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515571>
[11:56] <mup> Bug #1512857 changed: Deploy fails with RAID 5  and Bcache <storage> <curtin:Confirmed> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512857>
[11:56] <mup> Bug #1514094 changed: bcache setup fails in gmaas <curtin:In Progress> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514094>
[11:56] <mup> Bug #1514888 changed: curtin needs to notice that gdisk is not installed, and install it <regression> <curtin:Confirmed> <MAAS:Invalid by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514888>
[11:56] <mup> Bug #1515574 opened: set_simplestreams_env() modifies global state <tech-debt> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515574>
[12:04] <dweaver> Anyone know how to increase the timeouts on the IPMI power requests, we are seeing failures and want to try increasing the timeout, looks like our IPMI interfaces can take over 20 seconds to respond.
[12:53] <mup> Bug #1515545 opened: Allocatable range not available from subnets api <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515545>
[12:56] <mup> Bug #1515545 changed: Allocatable range not available from subnets api <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515545>
[12:59] <mup> Bug #1515545 opened: Allocatable range not available from subnets api <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515545>
[13:02] <mup> Bug #1515545 changed: Allocatable range not available from subnets api <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515545>
[13:05] <mup> Bug #1515545 opened: Allocatable range not available from subnets api <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515545>
[13:24] <mup> Bug #1515545 changed: Allocatable range not available from subnets api <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515545>
[14:16] <roaksoax_> dweaver: not unless you hack the code, and if you are experiencing that, that's issues with your BMC's
[14:16] <roaksoax_> your firmware is buggy
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1515571 changed: Cluster Controller trying to connect to the region controller on the same system using the proxy <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515571>
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1515571 opened: Cluster Controller trying to connect to the region controller on the same system using the proxy <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515571>
[15:42] <mup> Bug #1515571 changed: Cluster Controller trying to connect to the region controller on the same system using the proxy <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515571>
[15:51] <mup> Bug #1515671 opened: MAAS 1.9 ignore configured archive for deployment only <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515671>
[16:21] <mup> Bug #1418915 changed: Static files served by the combo loader aren't cached by the browser <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418915>
[16:21] <mup> Bug #1515683 opened: Two radio buttons can be selected under boot <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515683>
[16:24] <mup> Bug #1515683 changed: Two radio buttons can be selected under boot <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515683>
[16:24] <mup> Bug #1418915 opened: Static files served by the combo loader aren't cached by the browser <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418915>
[16:27] <mup> Bug #1418915 changed: Static files served by the combo loader aren't cached by the browser <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418915>
[16:27] <mup> Bug #1515683 opened: Two radio buttons can be selected under boot <ui> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515683>
[16:30] <mup> Bug #1515683 changed: Two radio buttons can be selected under boot <ui> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515683>
[16:30] <mup> Bug #1418915 opened: Static files served by the combo loader aren't cached by the browser <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418915>
[16:33] <mup> Bug #1418915 changed: Static files served by the combo loader aren't cached by the browser <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418915>
[16:33] <mup> Bug #1515683 opened: Two radio buttons can be selected under boot <ui> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515683>
[20:16] <y2kenny> Hi, I found a bug in MAAS 1.9 beta 2 and I have a fix.  What do I need to do to contribute a patch?
[21:00] <pmatulis> y2kenny: file a bug and put everything in there
[21:00] <pmatulis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+filebug
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1515769 opened: Failed to power on nodes on SM15k <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515769>
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1515769 changed: Failed to power on nodes on SM15k <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515769>
[21:22] <mup> Bug #1515769 opened: Failed to power on nodes on SM15k <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515769>
[22:46] <mup> Bug #1515448 changed: node boots old installation after deployment <oil> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515448>
[22:55] <mup> Bug #1515448 opened: node boots old installation after deployment <oil> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515448>
[22:58] <mup> Bug #1515448 changed: node boots old installation after deployment <oil> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515448>


[12:34] <oles> hi! is there any simple example of how to build qemu for arm host on ubuntu without manually resolving its source code dependencies?


[14:06] <Nafai> Good morning
[14:09] <bratsche> Morning!
[14:09] <Nafai> Is the failback supposed to happen if the indicator applet isn't there but the service is running?
[14:12] <bratsche> I'm not sure, you should ask ted.
[14:13] <seb128> it doesn't in any case
[14:13] <seb128> not sure if it should though
[14:13] <seb128> I guess the issue is that the applet is not the only container which can render those
[14:14]  * Nafai nods
[14:14] <Nafai> seb128: I'm looking into the bug you passed my way (if not obvious)
[14:15] <seb128> ok
[18:33] <Nafai> jono_: lots of food for thought with your last Shot of Jaq
[18:34] <jono_> thanks Nafai :)
[19:38] <jcastro> tedg: wasn't there a tbird plugin for m-i somewhere?
[19:38] <tedg> jcastro: Uhm, not sure.  There was a bug about it, but I don't know that there was code.
[19:39] <jcastro> tedg: ok so after UDS Mountain View was anyone tasked with following up with the tbird folks?
[19:39] <jcastro> I am guessing no. :D
[19:40] <tedg> jcastro: If anyone has it'd be davidbarth.


[15:04] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-investigate-using-google-helpout
[15:06] <jcastro> popey, want to take notes?
[15:06] <popey> am in another session..
[15:07] <jcastro> ok
[15:32] <chiluk> jorge / matt do either of you have invites available?
[15:47] <popey> i tried to get one, but no success yet
[15:47] <popey> poked a friend at google to try to get one
[15:49] <SuperMatt> yeah, you just have to wait for google to get back to you
[15:49] <SuperMatt> there's really no indication as to when that would be
[16:10] <dholbach> keep the questions coming
[16:10] <dholbach> just prefix them with QUESTION
[16:11] <YokoZar> I'm here :)
[16:11] <elfy> hi YokoZar
[16:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:13] <elfy> o/
[16:13] <popey> OMG! I SEE AN ELFY!
[16:13] <asomething> sure, let me try to distill a long email into an irc question
[16:13] <popey> HE EXISTS!
[16:13] <elfy> :) hi popey
[16:13] <popey> Sounder!
[16:14] <asomething> dholbach, yes a moderated ubuntu member list akin to debian's project list
[16:14] <popey> dholbach: isn't that what loco-contacts is for?
[16:15] <czajkowski> asomething: but we had that
[16:15] <czajkowski> and it ended up being a lot of work for moderating
[16:15] <toddc> QUESTIONS team leader meetings?
[16:16] <dholbach> toddc, can you elaborate?
[16:16] <asomething> i'm perfectly willing to accept that no one wants another mailing list =)
[16:16] <toddc> passing ideas between teams and loco leaders simular the this?
[16:17] <popey> Yes, "yet another mailing list" isn't the solution IMHO
[16:17] <popey> There was an event-co-ordination list which existed and wasnt used
[16:17] <popey> event-planning iirc
[16:17] <asomething> but maybe I'll try posting my argument for it on discouse or my blog
[16:17] <YokoZar> Now I'm remembering all the mailing lists we shut down last term
[16:18] <czajkowski> YokoZar: indeed
[16:18] <czajkowski> a lot of time :)
[16:18] <dholbach> asomething, great idea - that's probably the best way to take the pulse and see how people feel
[16:18] <YokoZar> Might be worth giving that another look
[16:18] <czajkowski> toddc: can you elaborate?
[16:19] <toddc> 5 years and I have never spoken to any council or other team leaders
[16:19] <czajkowski> toddc: you could also be doing it and not know you're doing it
[16:19] <czajkowski> lots of people are leaders
[16:20] <popey> \o/
[16:20] <czajkowski> action item popey :)
[16:21] <asomething> toddc, part of my idea was that the CC could move as much of its discussion into public on such a community list
[16:21] <czajkowski> asomething: we meet online for our meetings
[16:21] <czajkowski> but there are other things which cannot be doing publically as it's the last port of call for some issues
[16:23] <toddc> yes
[16:26] <asomething> core apps is a good place to begin since it is community led
[16:29] <asomething> I picked up a work item yesterday to develop a create a set of standards Investigate creating an ubuntu-core-app-dev (or similar) team to review/commit across core apps, including guidelines for membership
[16:29] <asomething> I think it would be interesting if it membership in that team came with Ubuntu membership
[16:30] <czajkowski> asomething: so developer members or ubuntu membership which is the same bar the upload and voting in tb ?
[16:30] <mhall119> asomething: we already have an LP team that can do that
[16:31] <dholbach> asomething, was what I was saying generally making sense or am I going off on a tangent?
[16:31] <czajkowski> asomething: daft question, why not just go in front of the memebership board and then get memberhsip like others do?
[16:31] <asomething> czajkowski, right not if you join motu or core-dev you become an ubuntu member. there isn't anything similar for coreapp devs
[16:31] <czajkowski> based on that work
[16:32] <asomething> s/not/now/
[16:32] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:32] <popey> asomething: sure is
[16:32] <popey> nik90 got his membership after being a core app dev
[16:32] <mhall119> asomething: there also isn't a requirement to join core app devs like there is for Ubuntu Membership
[16:32] <popey> via the membership process
[16:32] <czajkowski> asomething: I still think you can go for memberhsip and show your work in core apps as a way you're contributing
[16:32] <popey> +1
[16:32] <czajkowski> the same way people do via the irc or forums for their work there
[16:32] <elfy> I'd agree with that
[16:34] <asomething> czajkowski, well that's the issue. the CC delegates that to the other boards. it seems like it would require CC action to do the same for touch contributors
[16:35] <asomething> mhall119, see this session http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22067/appdev-1311-coreapps-saucy-review/
[16:35] <czajkowski> asomething: No I think the membership boards should look at the work based on touch contributors and evaluate it the same way based on a wiki page showing their work and involvement in the ubuntu community
[16:35] <asomething> mhall119, there is ~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers but that is only canonical folks afaict
[16:36] <czajkowski> indeed
[16:37] <mhall119> asomething: it might be, but it doesn't *have* to be
[16:37] <czajkowski> asomething: is your thought on this because you want to become an Ubuntu memember or you want voting rights in say the TB etc?
[16:37] <sabdfl> indeed, there's no canonical requirement on apps
[16:37] <asomething> czajkowski, I've been an ubuntu-dev for years
[16:37] <czajkowski> asomething: so you'd like credit for that, I uderstand :)
[16:38] <asomething> czajkowski, no I want new contributors that are working on touch apps to be full members of the project
[16:38] <asomething> czajkowski, nothing to do about myself
[16:39] <czajkowski> asomething: cool so lets see if we can make this happen:) in some way
[16:40] <czajkowski> \o/
[16:42] <sabdfl> cheers all
[16:42] <dholbach> thanks :)
[16:45]  * dholbach hugs asomething
[16:45] <asomething> =)
[16:55] <asomething> posted a copy of my mail about suggesting a new community mailing list over on discourse: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/an-ubuntu-community-mailing-list/1241
[16:56] <dholbach> thanks asomething
[17:50] <popey> vthompson: ahayzen I'll setup your hangout in a bit and post the url here.
[17:51] <ahayzen> popey, thanks
[17:52] <vthompson> popey, cool thanks. Was wondering how that'd get done.
[18:01] <popey> vthompson: ahayzen https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpic2ir0rdanj2t33hq2cp34?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:01] <ahayzen> popey, thanks


[12:42] <yote> Im using ubuntustudio 12.10, how do i undo encrypting my home directory and encrypting my whole drive.
[12:47] <yote> I think that might help. I can't seem to play a number of video files on any of the video players. Some times I have to htop to get the process number and kill the process.
[12:50] <xnox> yote: do you need to type your password at boot very early? or only at user login prompt? (are you suing LUKS and/or ecryptfs)?
[12:52] <yote> i think the name is sda_crypt or something. when i first stated the whole thing the directions said something about passphrase. after that password I enter a login pw.
[12:53] <xnox> yote: re-install, it's not easy to disable luks encryption (full disk).
[12:54] <xnox> yote: e.g. all of the system data & user data is encrypted. you can do it: resize the filesystem, then resize lvm snapshot, then resize lvm vg group, then resize luks, move data to the encrypted have, and scale again. but it's pain.
[12:54] <xnox> yote: intead do a backup and reinstall if you no longer want full-disk encryption.
[12:55] <xnox> yote: disabling the ecryptfs aka "encrypt my home directory" is easier (no re-partitioning involved) but you still need to have the same amount of disk space available.
[12:55] <xnox> potentially your troubles are because of double encryption.
[12:56] <xnox> yote: is it still a problem if you play video from /var/tmp ?
[12:56] <xnox> in that case disabling encryptfs alone might be enough.
[12:56] <yote> to do that should  should i move some videos to that dir and play from there?
[13:00] <yote> how do I disable the passphrase encryption and home directory encryption.
[13:00] <yote> through some menu if any. hopefully.
[13:04] <yote> playing the movies dose not work throuh var/temp either.
[13:10] <yote> thanks man. will try the resize first.
[13:57] <studio-user647> hi
[13:59] <studio-user647> i need some help please
[14:19] <yote> what haps
[14:21] <yote> you just ask the question man.
[23:03] <wisesito> Buenas tardes.
[23:19] <Sakrecoer> muy buenas.


[00:34] <Unit193> As it stands, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path appends the session name to XDG_CONFIG_DIRS, but with wayland I presume this won't be done?  Perhaps /etc/profile.d/?
[00:48] <jbicha> Unit193: are you asking about Xfce or what?
[00:49] <Unit193> jbicha: ....No, Xfce has nothing to do with Wayland.
[00:51] <jbicha> I didn't think so, but I'm really confused
[03:57] <Unit193> juliank: I know you said you don't touch ftparchive, but for your next SRU to Xenial I don't suppose you'd change 'SetExts(".deb .udeb");' to 'SetExts(".deb .ddeb .udeb");'  ?
[08:45] <juliank> Unit193: I most certainly won't. It has to be part of the newer series first before I can push anything to xenial :D
[12:49] <Unit193> juliank: Dowh, but I poked you with that too. :P
[15:18] <ryao> Would anyone care to contribute to an attempt at breaking the most reviewed patch in OpenZFS record? https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/pull/6054
[15:19] <ryao> I would need to look it up, but given the remark about needing more reviewers, I couldn't help myself in making the challenge. We'll take reviewers from other projects. :D
[16:13] <Son_Goku> ryao: hello again :P
[16:14] <ryao> Son_Goku: Hello.
[20:19] <juliank> acheronUK: [ubuntu/artful] python-apt 1.4.0~beta2ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[20:21] <acheronUK> juliank: :) thank you
[20:40] <acheronUK> juliank: FYI, that update fixes source builds for artful in kubuntu's CI docker containers, so x2 on that thank you
[20:40] <juliank> :)
[22:16] <mwhudson> does launchpad sync from debian experimental?
[22:16] <mwhudson> i guess not, i don't see anything on https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/golang-defaults
[22:17] <mwhudson> (which does have a package in experimental)
[22:18] <Unit193> You can with syncpackage,of course.
[22:18] <mwhudson> can i?
[22:19] <Unit193>   -d DISTRIBUTION, --distribution=DISTRIBUTION
[22:19] <Unit193>                         Debian distribution to sync from.
[22:20] <mwhudson> hm
[22:20] <mwhudson> syncpackage: Source golang-defaults -> artful/Proposed: current version 2:1.7~1ubuntu1, new version 2:1.7~5
[22:20] <mwhudson> that new version is from unstable, not experimental
[22:20] <mwhudson> "golang-defaults | 2:1.8~1        | experimental     | source"
[22:21] <mwhudson> from rmadison -u debian golang-defaults
[22:21] <mwhudson> i wonder what's going on
[22:27] <Unit193> mwhudson: unit193@Sigma:~$  syncpackage -d experimental --simulate golang-defaults
[22:27] <Unit193> syncpackage: Source golang-defaults -> artful/Proposed: current version 2:1.7~1ubuntu1, new version 2:1.8~1
[22:27] <Unit193> syncpackage: Error: --force is required to discard Ubuntu changes.
[22:28] <mwhudson> oh i said -D experimental
[22:29] <mwhudson> which is --debian-mirror, which i guess is ignored when talking to lp
[22:29]  * mwhudson sighs and makes more coffee
[22:32] <Unit193> Heh, I'm just about to finish mine.  Also saw you had that in a test ppa, thanks.  Allowed me to test a rebuild (still failing.)
[22:33] <mwhudson> i can sync now that powerpc is dead
[22:34] <mwhudson> oh no, not quite, still need shared lib bits
[22:34] <mwhudson> fooey
[23:23] <mapreri> please remember me: what's the ubuntu's equivalent for archive.debian.org ?
[23:24] <sarnold> mapreri: http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[23:24] <mapreri> nope, that one is for the current releases, not the old ones (which is what archive.d.o is about)
[23:24] <Unit193> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[23:24] <sarnold> oh :) http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[23:24] <Unit193> (*Remind)
[23:25] <mapreri> oh, right!
[23:25] <mapreri> Unit193: thank you (also for the correction, I keep mixing remember and remind :S) !
[23:26] <Unit193> Of course, 'welcome!


[04:43] <Pinkfish> Hello Gen
[04:45] <Pinkfish> HDMI monitor speaker is not working, i tried to reinstall pulse audio, no luck. Any suggestion to fix it ?
[04:48] <KBar> Hi. Does it appear in the 'Output Devices' section of Audio Mixer?
[04:50] <Pinkfish> let me have a look and confirm
[04:51] <Pinkfish> its 'HDMI/DisplayPort 3 (plugged in)'
[04:51] <KBar> But the sound is still coming from some other channel?
[04:51] <Pinkfish> yeah, headphones are working.
[04:52] <Pinkfish> it only not with HDMI
[04:52] <KBar> Try selecting Headphones and switch back to HDMI.
[04:54] <Pinkfish> Is this is a trick or what ? let me try  :) hold on please.
[04:54] <KBar> If it doesn't help, try playing with settings under Configuration tab.
[04:55] <KBar> Kind of. PulseAudio may act weird on some hardware, so you have to try tricks in order for it to work properly.
[04:58] <Pinkfish> Plugged in headphones which is working fine, tried to flip back to HDMI -> no luck
[05:02] <KBar> Share the output of `pactl list sinks`. Use paste.ubuntu.com
[05:04] <Pinkfish> ok
[05:06] <Pinkfish> Here you go https://pastebin.com/2eyti07x
[05:09] <KBar> Thank you. Let me look through it.
[05:11] <Pinkfish> That was with headphone connected.
[05:14] <KBar> Try with HDMI as the only available output. (no headphones, etc.)
[05:14] <Pinkfish> ok
[05:14] <Pinkfish> Hold on please
[05:16] <Pinkfish> Here you go, this with HDMI only, headphones disconnected. https://pastebin.com/2gN8KacL
[05:18] <KBar> `pactl set-sink-mute alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.hdmi-stereo-extra2 1`
[05:18] <KBar> this mutes it
[05:18] <KBar> `pactl set-sink-mute alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.hdmi-stereo-extra2 0`
[05:19] <KBar> this unmutes it again
[05:19] <KBar> after that
[05:19] <Pinkfish> let me try that
[05:21] <KBar> try modifying this file: ~/.config/pulse/*-default-sink
[05:22] <KBar> from `alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.analog-stereo` to `alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.hdmi-stereo-extra2`
[05:24] <Pinkfish> Its already like what you mentioned
[05:25] <Pinkfish> mute and unmute, still not working
[05:26] <Pinkfish> Also  ~/.config/pulse/*-default-sink has this alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.hdmi-stereo-extra2
[05:27] <KBar> only this line, correct?
[05:27] <Pinkfish> yeah its correct, its already like what you mentioned to changes, so no change needed
[05:27] <KBar> in file /etc/pulse/default.pa comment this line: load-module module-suspend-on-idle
[05:28] <KBar> # load-module module-suspend-on-idle
[05:30] <Pinkfish> done
[05:30] <Pinkfish> whats now
[05:31] <KBar> `pactl set-default-sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.hdmi-stereo-extra2`
[05:31] <KBar> and finally
[05:32] <KBar> modify the priority of hdmi-stereo-2
[05:33] <KBar> in this file: /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/paths/hdmi-stereo-2
[05:33] <KBar> priority = 100
[05:34] <KBar> and restart pulseaudio
[05:34] <KBar> see if it helped
[05:35] <Pinkfish> ok
[05:36] <KBar> pulseaudio -k | kills current active PA server
[05:36] <KBar> pulseaudio -D | start again fully daemonized
[05:40] <Pinkfish> Above commands are not working
[05:40] <Pinkfish> I used this systemctl --user restart pulseaudio
[05:41] <Pinkfish> And not luck still audio not coming up
[05:41] <Pinkfish> looking at this https://pastebin.com/2gN8KacL , alsa.id is mapped to HDMI 2, is that correct ?
[05:42] <KBar> yes
[05:43] <Pinkfish> hmm, but im using HDMI 3, is that still correct ?
[05:44] <Pinkfish> i'm bit confused with all changes happened
[05:47] <KBar> i dont think they're correlated
[05:49] <Pinkfish> ok
[05:50] <Pinkfish> Anything i need to check at this file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
[05:53] <Pinkfish> Referring in here, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/19-10-problem-with-my-sound/20338/10
[05:55] <KBar> doubt it. maybe try xfce4-mixer
[05:55] <KBar> instead
[05:56] <KBar> https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/3bd655/hdmi_audio_difficulties_solved/
[05:56] <KBar> https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-no-sound-on-hdmi-ubuntu-20-04/
[05:57] <KBar> maybe reload alsa as well
[05:58] <Pinkfish> let me check
[06:01] <KBar> xfce4-mixer is available here: https://launchpad.net/xfce4-mixer/+packages
[06:05] <KBar> oh my bad. seems like it doesnt exist anymore
[06:05] <Pinkfish> yes :D
[06:05] <Pinkfish> I tried to refresh many times
[06:05] <Pinkfish> i meant the repo
[06:12] <KBar> is there sound if you use this alsa test utility?
[06:12] <KBar> speaker-test --channels 2 --rate 48000 --device default
[06:13] <Pinkfish> nope.
[06:14] <KBar> are you sure monitor speakers work?
[06:15] <Pinkfish> here is that doubt, it was working 2 days ago
[06:15] <Pinkfish> i have to boot up windows harddrive to test the monitor speaker
[06:15] <Pinkfish> will come back
[06:15] <KBar> 2 things:
[06:15] <Pinkfish> hmm, what are they
[06:16] <KBar> first, try restarting your xubuntu system but with your HDMI monitor already connected. or better yet shut it down, unplug the monitor, plug it again, make sure its turned on, then start your computer
[06:17] <KBar> second, as you said, try a different OS/computer/port
[06:17] <KBar> gl
[08:13] <Pinkfish> Hello 👋
[08:14] <Pinkfish> Issue is not with monitor !!
[08:14] <Pinkfish> Flipped to windows 10, monitor audio is working fine
[08:15] <Pinkfish> Connected to HDMI
[09:59] <fukaraokan> türkçe bilen var mı
[10:06] <tomreyn> !en | fukaraokan
[10:06] <tomreyn> !tr | fukaraokan
[10:56] <francesco> which theme do you prefer


[06:34] <junaidali> N
[09:10] <mup> Bug #1672306 opened: unit stuck executing update-status <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672306>
[09:16] <mup> Bug #1672306 changed: unit stuck executing update-status <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672306>
[09:22] <mup> Bug #1672306 opened: unit stuck executing update-status <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672306>
[14:00] <Hetfield_> any of you can log-in to launchpad?
[14:00] <Hetfield_> i'm having error 500 since days
[16:27] <hoenir> hey guys
[16:27] <hoenir> can I add storage with the juju add-storage in  the controller  for example?
[16:27] <hoenir> or just in units?
[16:57] <hoenir> can anyone tell ?
[16:58] <rick_h> hoenir: just in applications atm. There's a need to add that kind of charm-like support to the controller but it's not there atm
[21:44] <mup> Bug #1669729 changed: Updates to MAAS machine data propogated to Juju <canonical-bootstack> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669729>
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1670499 changed: maas 2.1.3 nodes do not deploy, Juju reports 'started but not deployed' <cdo-qa-blocker> <juju:Incomplete> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670499>
[22:05] <mup> Bug #1670499 opened: maas 2.1.3 nodes do not deploy, Juju reports 'started but not deployed' <cdo-qa-blocker> <juju:Incomplete> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670499>
[22:14] <mup> Bug #1670499 changed: maas 2.1.3 nodes do not deploy, Juju reports 'started but not deployed' <cdo-qa-blocker> <juju:Incomplete> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670499>
[22:23] <mup> Bug #1666396 changed: Missing txn-revnos in mongodb leads to missing status updates <canonical-is> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1666396>
[22:23] <mup> Bug #1671733 changed: harvest mode setting not honoured by destroy-model <sts> <juju:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1671733>
[23:30] <axw> wallyworld: hey, are you back today? are we doing the earlier standup (now) yet?
[23:31] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, 3/4 back. wasn't going to do the earlier one today. heather was ok to try it was is and see how we go i think. we can confirm tomorrow
[23:32] <axw> wallyworld: ok, ttyl then
[23:56] <mup> Bug #1672306 changed: unit stuck executing update-status <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672306>


[01:11] <arraybolt3> Sheesh. That's the first time anyone's ever made a correlation between me and satan...
[01:11] <arraybolt3> Things were going smoothly, I should have known something was up when he over-apologized for going off-topic.
[01:12] <arraybolt3> (w.r.t. sudden derailment in #kubuntu)
[01:12] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Yeah, that was not ok afaiac.
[01:14] <arraybolt3> I was hoping he would be done after a bit, thanks for seeing it was going too far and stepping in.
[01:14] <arraybolt3> (part of me wonders if I should have just said "No, and that's not OK to say, goodbye" and vanished.)
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:22] <wez> .o/
[10:22] <wez> Evening


[01:10] <confuseduser> I've just updated to xubuntu 20.04.1 from 18.04 and I'm runnng into a weird problem with my ath10k wifi card. Every time I try and connect to an AP, my cart associates, and then deauthenticates. Logs via dmesg report the following: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jPTsp2JfxH/
[01:10] <confuseduser> Any chance anyone has run into anything similar?
[01:57] <confuseduser> Well it appears I've found a work-around. Toggling the software "wifi enabled" button in network manager and reconnecting to wifi after rebooting the machine appears to solve my connection isssues.
[10:17] <lefler> Ok so was the 18.04 -> 20.04 upgrade path allowed to go ahead with this known bug?
[10:17] <lefler> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-screensaver/+bug/1875025
[10:18] <lefler> I got locked out of this machine and had to force a reboot by logging into a tty
[14:32] <xu-help28w> Hello
[14:32] <gnrp> gu
[14:32] <gnrp> hi*
[14:33] <xu-help28w> I am new user coming to xubuntu coming from windo
[14:33] <xu-help28w> I had install windows on my system. I3 4th gen 8gb ram not fastest it's old but windows boot in 15 seconds
[14:34] <xu-help28w> I install xubuntu now was very excited but it take more than one minute to boot
[14:34] <xu-help28w> I hear people tell xubuntu will make system fast than windows but it's slow.
[14:34] <gnrp> xu-help28w: That is indeed very weird, one minute is too much
[14:35] <xu-help28w> Did I make fault while install. I get no error.
[14:36] <gnrp> when rebooting the next time, press the button to get into the grub (bootloader) editing. Then you can remove the "quiet" and the "splash" part from the boot parameters and boot
[14:36] <gnrp> then you can see what is happening and what takes so long
[14:36] <xu-help28w> Please help me gnrp. I google to find solution but very confusing
[14:37] <xu-help28w> I removed grub it is put in quiet mode I am not getting grub screen now. But still taking 1minute plus
[14:38] <xu-help28w> Systemd- analyze says : startup finished in 3.363s (kernel) + 1.035s(userspac3)
[14:39] <xu-help28w> 31.624s snapd.service                                        21.927s networkd-dispatcher.service                          21.346s udisks2.service                                      20.601s accounts-daemon.service                              19.852s dev-sda5.device                                      18.885s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[14:39] <xu-help28w> 15.848s ModemManager.service                                 15.326s NetworkManager.service                               14.040s dev-loop9.device                                     13.499s dev-loop6.device                                     13.336s dev-loop1.device                                     13.336s dev-loop2.device
[14:39] <xu-help28w> 13.336s dev-loop0.device                                     13.335s dev-loop5.device                                     13.335s dev-loop3.device                                     13.334s dev-loop4.device                                     13.334s dev-loop7.device                                     13.253s dev-loop8.device
[14:39] <xu-help28w> 11.956s polkit.service                                       11.274s lightdm.service                                      11.270s plymouth-quit-wait.service                           10.801s systemd-journal-flush.service                        10.061s avahi-daemon.service
[14:40] <xu-help28w> This only one user asked in support forums. I am not understanding what this is. I google each service line by line but it is not saying anything to reduce speed
[14:40] <xu-help28w> Will be very thankful if anyone can help me.
[14:41] <gnrp> xu-help28w: xu-help28w Check out /var/log/syslog
[14:41] <gnrp> maybe you can upload it somewhere
[14:41] <gnrp> !paste
[14:41] <gnrp> and show it to us
[14:41] <gnrp> I am afk for 30 minutes or so, but maybe somebody else will reply in the meantime
[14:42] <xu-help28w> Okay sorry. I will post in that link and give you.
[14:47] <xu-help28w> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tqTXQs9BZV/
[14:48] <xu-help28w> Thank you gnrp. I will wait. I pasted the text in that above link so many lines are there. You can read when free
[14:50] <xu-help28w> Also everytime I restart. That service timing change or one service go another service come. But always take 1 minute. This is my latest copy.
[15:46] <jdwwatts> what is gnome online requiremwnt for auto update for xubuntu 20.04.1
[15:48] <gnrp> xu-help28w: So there seems to be a 20s break between not being able to get a network address and anything else going on
[15:52] <gnrp> xu-help28w: Sorry, cannot really find out anything particular there. It just seems to take a while
[15:54] <gnrp> sorry. But maybe stay around a while and somebody else willr eply
[15:54] <gnrp> but that is weird. Is it running on an hdd or so?
[16:13] <xu-help28w> Yes gnrp it's running on 500gb HDD
[16:13] <xu-help28w> I use wifi adapter for system.


[07:13] <ubusr> 請問有沒有推薦linux compatible usb 網卡? 剛剛才發生microcode firmware error
[07:27] <tai271828> ubuntulog: 我上 pchome 隨便買那種 usb-to-ethernet dongle, 好像沒遇過不能用的
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[14:11] <dholbach> soren, jpds, nhandler: ready?
[14:11] <nhandler> Yep
[14:11] <dholbach> mdeslaur: around?
[14:11] <jpds> Afternoon.
[14:11] <soren> Yup.
[14:11] <mdeslaur> yep
[14:11] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[14:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:11. The chair is dholbach.
[14:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:12] <dholbach> we're here for the MOTU Council meeting - this is an impromptu meeting as we did manage to have quorum last time - some folks were travelling
[14:12] <dholbach> we'll have a look at the agenda of the 22nd October: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting
[14:13] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[14:13] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Jonathan Carter's MOTU application
[14:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jonathan Carter's MOTU application
[14:13] <highvoltage> hi dholbach
[14:13] <dholbach> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication
[14:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication
[14:13] <dholbach> hey highvoltage - how are you doing?
[14:13] <highvoltage> stgraber: ping
[14:13] <mhall119|work> dholbach: I was trying to run harvest the other day, but the install instructions didn't get me the django openID stuff, where can I find that?
[14:13] <highvoltage> good thanks dholbach, glad that the Edubuntu release went well (and relieved)
[14:13] <mhall119|work> oh, sorry, is there a meeting?
[14:13] <dholbach> mhall119|work: we are in a meeting here - can you PM me and I'll reply later?
[14:14] <mhall119|work> dholbach: sure
[14:14] <dholbach> mhall119|work: mail should work too
[14:14] <dholbach> mhall119|work: thanks!
[14:14] <stgraber> pong
[14:14] <stgraber> hey everyone
[14:14] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: please hang around though :)
[14:14] <mhall119|work> I will
[14:14]  * mhall119|work needs to get his ubuntu membership application ready
[14:14] <dholbach> highvoltage: your wiki page says you're interested in becoming MOTU and you need upload rights for ltsp cluster? which of them are you pursuing in this meeting? :)
[14:15]  * dholbach is confused in a pre-karmic-release way :)
[14:15] <highvoltage> dholbach: becoming motu, stgraber says I'm ready!
[14:15] <dholbach> ok, so you'd like to have upload rights for the whole of universe/multiverse?
[14:15] <nhandler> highvoltage: Could you please describe some of your contributions to things other than ltsp?
[14:15] <jpds> highvoltage: Is there a particular reason you're interesting in the LTSP stack? Do you deploy it regularly in your work?
[14:15] <stgraber> ltsp-cluster was basically his way of doing a lot of packaging, then we'd really need an extra set of hand for education related packaging
[14:16] <highvoltage> dholbach: yes, that would be ideal for new things we want to get in Edubuntu for Lucid
[14:16] <dholbach> ok
[14:17] <highvoltage> nhandler: in terms of packaging things that have gone into the archives I've only done a patch to include a manpage for gnome-open, so the ltsp-cluster packages have been my main area of work so far
[14:17] <highvoltage> jpds: yes I do, and I will be doing more LTSP related work very soon
[14:18] <jpds> highvoltage: Excellent.
[14:18] <nhandler> highvoltage: What would you do if you were to become a MOTU? Would you be mainly focusing on Edubuntu packages?
[14:18] <stgraber> ltsp-cluster was a good way to get into packaging as it's php / python and some scripts in a lot of different packages, some using cdbs, some others using debhelper. As his mentor, I though it would be a good idea to work on these, especially as he soon will be working with these almost everyday ;)
[14:19] <highvoltage> nhandler: initially, yes, since there is a big need for it, one of the first things I'd want to do is work with mhall119|work to get the Qimo packages in the ubuntu archives
[14:19] <highvoltage> nhandler: I'd also like to get some packages in for Guidalinex Edu so that they can use plain Edubuntu in their deployments
[14:19] <highvoltage> nhandler: my interests are certainly much wider than Edubuntu though, but that's where I'll probably be focussing on for the immediate future
[14:19] <dholbach> highvoltage: are you in touch with the guadalinex guys regularly? how well are we cooperating with them?
[14:20] <highvoltage> dholbach: we chat casually over IRC, we know more or less what they need but we haven't been able to really provide it yet
[14:21] <dholbach> highvoltage: is there anything you found most difficult when you were starting your packaging / ubuntu development journey?
[14:21] <highvoltage> dholbach: basically, we just need to make some changes to the edubuntu-menu work that LaserJock as already did, but from a community perspective we need to pull them in better into the Edubuntu project
[14:22] <highvoltage> dholbach: yes, it's easy to get lost in details, I relied on documentation alone for a long time and it didn't work out
[14:22] <highvoltage> dholbach: so the packaging guide would mention that you need to know make, and I'd spend a long time reading about make and related documentation that weren't really necessary
[14:23] <dholbach> ... depending on what you want to do and what you start with :)
[14:23] <nhandler> highvoltage: We are currently working on cleaning up the packaging guides, any feedback on that would be greatly appreciated
[14:23] <highvoltage> dholbach: I've found that it's much better asking in #ubuntu-motu and cool motu people such as LaserJock, stgraber, ogra, ScottK, etc
[14:24] <highvoltage> nhandler: ok, I have a printed copy from Lulu so I'll go through it agian to point out areas I had trouble with
[14:25] <highvoltage> ideally I would have done more packaging work before applying, but I think I have a good understanding of the processes and I wouldn't do anything risky or weird before consulting with anyone else first
[14:26] <dholbach> jpds, soren: do you have more questions?
[14:26] <nhandler> I am sorry, but I have to leave now. Hopefully, geser will show up, otherwise, we will figure something out in terms of voting
[14:26] <soren> dholbach: Nope.
[14:26] <jpds> None from me.
[14:27] <dholbach> [vote] Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU?
[14:27] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU?.
[14:27] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[14:27] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[14:28] <jpds> +1
[14:28] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[14:28] <nhandler> +1
[14:28] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[14:28] <soren> I thought we didn't have quorum?
[14:29] <dholbach> +1
[14:29] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[14:29] <dholbach> soren: we still do
[14:29] <soren> Oh, ok.
[14:29] <soren> +1
[14:29] <soren> then
[14:29] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[14:29] <soren> :)
[14:29] <dholbach> [endvote]
[14:29] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[14:29] <dholbach> congratulations highvoltage
[14:29] <highvoltage> YAAAAAY \o/
[14:30] <highvoltage> dholbach: *hug*
[14:30] <jpds> highvoltage: congrats!
[14:30] <dholbach> (sorry, doorbell rang in the meantime :-))
[14:30] <mdeslaur> congrats highvoltage
[14:30]  * dholbach hugs highvoltage too
[14:30] <czajkowski> highvoltage: whooo congrats!
[14:30] <highvoltage> only 5 years after I first heard of motu and wanted to join!!! :)
[14:30] <mhall119|work> congrats highvoltage
[14:30] <dholbach> mdeslaur: for your application, I suggest we send questions now and quickly proceed with voting over mail if geser or persia don't show up in time :)
[14:30] <mhall119|work> now I know who to harrass to get Qimo packages in Universe
[14:30] <mdeslaur> dholbach: ok
[14:30] <dholbach> highvoltage: I'm sure the Edubuntu community (and everybody else) will appreciate it :)
[14:31] <highvoltage> dholbach: thanks! and thanks to the Motu Council
[14:31] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application
[14:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application
[14:31] <highvoltage> I'll make your votes count
[14:31] <dholbach> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication
[14:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication
[14:31] <dholbach> mdeslaur: how are you doing? :)
[14:31] <mdeslaur> dholbach: I'm great :)
[14:31] <mdeslaur> we're releasing today!!
[14:32] <dholbach> :-)
[14:32] <mdeslaur> You can't see it, but I'm wearing a Koala suit right now
[14:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: contratz
[14:32] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I'm imagining it to be very fuzzy
[14:32] <dholbach> mdeslaur: I'm glad you're wearing something
[14:32] <mdeslaur> hehehe
[14:32] <dholbach> soren, jpds: questions?
[14:33] <dholbach> mdeslaur: what is your primary interest in Ubuntu development apart from general security?
[14:33] <dholbach> mdeslaur: are there contributors for the qa regressions tests?
[14:34] <soren> dholbach: No, I know what I'm voting :)
[14:34] <jpds> I'm with soren.
[14:34] <mdeslaur> dholbach: well, I would like to start working on extending my security involvement to authentication, and desktop lock-down
[14:35] <mdeslaur> dholbach: the QA team contributes also to the regression tests
[14:35] <mdeslaur> ah, of course, to make Ubuntu better in general, not just from the security side
[14:35] <dholbach> mdeslaur: it strikes me as an area that should get many more people contributing to it
[14:36] <dholbach> any idea how we get the word out some more?
[14:36] <dholbach> should it be easy enough to contribute?
[14:36] <mdeslaur> dholbach: well, regression testing is not something that people generally like to do. Although we ask the community when they submit security patches to test and possibly write qa testing scripts, I unfortunately have not seen any go by.
[14:37] <dholbach> is it too hard to write those tests?
[14:38] <mdeslaur> dholbach: not really, they are simple python-unit scripts. sbeattie did an excellent tutorial on them on irc the other day.
[14:38] <dholbach> maybe somebody could blog about it again or bring it up in some kind of tutorial / irc session again
[14:38] <mdeslaur> dholbach: I think the priority right now is to get people more involved in actually producing security updates for universe packages
[14:38] <dholbach> it's just too awesome to not put some more work into it :)
[14:38] <dholbach> ok
[14:39] <mdeslaur> dholbach: that seems to be the area that I think we could sum up some interest
[14:39] <mhall119|work> are there script templates?
[14:39] <mhall119|work> that might help
[14:39] <dholbach> mdeslaur: let's chat about that outside the meeting some - maybe at UDS over a beer :)
[14:39] <dholbach> alright, I'm done with questions myself
[14:39] <mdeslaur> dholbach: that sounds good :)
[14:40] <dholbach> soren, jpds: shall we "vote provisionally" and ask the others to weigh in via mail to speed this up?
[14:40] <mdeslaur> mhall119|work: there is a template for starting a new script, and the existing scripts are simple to understand
[14:40] <soren> dholbach: I'm confused. I thought you said we were quorate?
[14:41] <dholbach> soren: nhandler left in the meantime
[14:41] <soren> dholbach: I thought he left just before we voted on highvoltage..
[14:41] <soren> Ah, I see now.
[14:41] <dholbach> soren: nhandler still participated in that vote
[14:41] <soren> Yes, I thought he left right before. Ok.
[14:42] <soren> Errr... Yeah, I guess we can just vote here and let the others do it over e-mail.
[14:42] <dholbach> soren, jpds: opinions? leave everything to be voted on the ML or "collect our votes here already"?
[14:42] <soren> Actually.
[14:42] <soren> ..
[14:42] <soren> Let's do it over e-mail.
[14:42] <dholbach> ok
[14:42] <soren> We can all just send our votes straight away.
[14:42] <dholbach> thanks mdeslaur for your understanding
[14:42] <mdeslaur> dholbach: no problem!
[14:42] <dholbach> soren: can you take care of Marc's application?
[14:42] <soren> It seems simpler to have it all in onve place.
[14:42] <dholbach> I'm happy to process Jonathan's
[14:43] <dholbach> soren: just a piece of log or something, so the other's know what we talked about
[14:44] <dholbach> soren: happy with that? :)
[14:44] <soren> Sure.
[14:44] <dholbach> fantastic
[14:44] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody
[14:44] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[14:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[14:44] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone!
[14:44] <dholbach> thanks mdeslaur and highvoltage
[14:45] <mhall119|work> ubuntu.com is updated, 9.10 is officially out
[14:45] <mhall119|work> congratulations to everyone involved
[14:45] <dholbach> ok, sounds like everybody has some celebration to do, let's adjourn!
[14:45] <dholbach> have a great day and thanks everyone
[14:45] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[14:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:45.
[14:46] <highvoltage> thanks eveyrone!
[23:04] <bucky> ubuntu is the only distro that screwed with xchat to join their channel... how do you undo it
[23:12] <Vantrax> bucky try #ubuntu


[01:38] <Silverlion> good morning
[02:20] <pleia2> ok, updated team meetings
[02:22] <SilverLion> good morning pleia2 seems the two of us are the only ones in here
[02:29] <pleia2> it's summary writing time :) some folks just lurk
[02:31]  * SilverLion is working in RL
[02:48] <pleia2> bkerensa: if you have a moment, could you pop into the google doc and write a quick summary for the dev update this week? http://bit.ly/vDkJyf
[02:50] <pleia2> beyond that we really just need summaries for the Cloud and LoCo sections :)
[02:54] <SilverLion> pleia2: would help if i had the possibility ;)
[02:55] <pleia2> SilverLion: no problem, I'm just talking to the folks who are available to help out :) it's ok if you're not
[02:56] <pleia2> heading out to meet some friends for dinner, later all
[02:57] <SilverLion> pleia2: guten Hunger << as we say in germany for someone getting something to eat
[02:57] <pleia2> :)
[03:55] <bkerensa> pleia2: Sure
[03:55] <bkerensa> :D
[04:37] <bkerensa> pleia2: dev summary done and I dropped in two loco news summaries
[04:37] <bkerensa> cheers
[16:18] <pleia2> thanks bkerensa :)
[17:57] <pleia2> copying over sections now, then we'll need some editors
[18:10] <pleia2> ok, we need editors: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue256
[18:10] <pleia2> akgraner will be adding Ubuntu Stats later so no need to look at those sections just yet, mostly need editing of content for summaries and general stuff :)
[18:15] <shever> Hi all...thanks for the reminder pleia2 :)
[18:16] <pleia2> sure! welcome back :)
[18:17] <shever> I'm taking a read through UWN now...what's the best way of proposing edits? Making them myself, or suggesting them here?
[18:17] <pleia2> you can make them yourself, just mention here that you're editing the doc so we don't have conflicts
[18:18] <shever> Ok, then I'm just about to make a couple of grammar changes to the Ubuntu User Survey section :)
[18:18] <pleia2> (the wiki is supposed to warn when someone else is editing, but we haven't found it to be actually that reliable)
[18:25] <pleia2> shever: oh, and please do add your name to the Credits at the bottom of the doc :)
[18:26] <shever> Ok, thanks :) changes made to Ubuntu User Survey, ...for human beings, and a minor edit (enclosed in []) to Jono Bacon's comment
[18:27] <pleia2> great
[18:27]  * nlsthzn had yet another distro meltdown (several)...
[18:27] <nlsthzn> remember kids, beta software isn't your friend
[18:28] <pleia2> lol
[18:42] <shever> Trying to re-work this sentence in the "Ubuntu is changing lives in Zambia" section: "Adam Oxford of Tech Radar does an in-depth report of work being done by several organizations in Zambia using open source software to increase communication through broader availability of Internet access and computer labs, computer training and other services to their developing communities."
[18:42] <pleia2> feel free to hack away at it, it does seem to have gotten a bit unweildy (and I'll admit to having written it :))
[18:43] <shever> Ok...thanks! "Unwieldy" was the word I'd thought of too...I think it's just the "to the developing communities" bit...which I think should be in there, I'm just not sure where!
[18:43] <shever> No offense :D
[18:44] <pleia2> none taken, we really appreciate this review
[18:54] <shever> Just wondering if there's a lockdown time, where no more changes are permitted?
[18:55] <pleia2> I'd say 00:00 UTC
[18:55] <pleia2> it's 19:00 now
[18:55] <pleia2> ish
[18:56] <pleia2> so 5 hours from now
[18:56] <shever> Dublin time is the same, so that's no problem :)
[18:57] <pleia2> :)
[19:01] <shever> I've read through a couple of times, and made some edits. I'll leave it for an hour or so now to let other people correct the mistakes that I undoubtedly introduced :D
[19:03]  * jalcine waits :)
[19:06] <pleia2> shever: you rock, thank you!
[19:25] <shever> You're welcome :) it's handy to find a use for a cranky pedant!
[20:40] <shever> A couple more minor edits made ("has" changed to "as", "if" to "of" and so forth)
[20:40] <shever> I'm now going to re-seal my shower so that I can stop smelling like a landfill site tomorrow :D
[21:39] <Silverlion> hello ubuntu-news-people ^^
[23:03] <Silverlion> pleia2: just one question. when is the latest deadline for a summary to make it into an upcoming issue of UWN?
[23:03] <pleia2> Silverlion: in 57 minutes :)
[23:03] <pleia2> 00:00 UTC is the cut off for articles


[00:46] <nhaines> Yay, I found a community board at Panera. Now I can post an UH flier!
[00:51] <bkerensa_> :)
[00:51] <bkerensa_> pleia2: Canonical is kinda getting owned a bit
[00:51] <bkerensa_> :P
[00:52] <bkerensa_> at their own BOF :P
[00:52] <rww> hrm?
[00:52] <bkerensa_> :) they are doing a talk on JuJu and Puppet and some guy was grilling them epic :P
[01:12] <jyo> Yay! Beta 2!
[03:18] <pleia2> bkerensa: I think they're used to being grilled about new technologies
[03:18] <pleia2> (the cloud people should by now, they change their direction every year)
[06:06]  * bkerensa might give a talk on Ubuntu at Yahoo :)
[06:18] <nhaines> Cool.  :)
[06:46] <bkerensa> might :P
[06:46]  * bkerensa isnt the one who enjoys giving such :P
[07:06] <nhaines> heh
[16:04] <raevol> happy friday!
[19:50] <philipballew> has anyone ever seen a way to make the terminal the default file browser
[22:20] <nhaines> The terminal is not a file browser?
[22:26] <akk> It's the best file browser there is!


[15:03] <athos> @pilot in
[15:21] <arif-ali> Hi athos, apologies for the direct ping, could I get a look at LP:2054395 by any chance, keen to start the process if possible
[15:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2054395 in sosreport (Ubuntu Oracular) "[sru] sos upstream 4.7.0" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054395
[15:47] <athos> hi arif-ali :) I will take a look
[15:57] <arif-ali> thx
[18:04] <athos> arif-ali: I asked a couple questions in the SRU bug :)
[18:31] <liushuyu> Hi ubuntu-devel, can someone take a look at this sync bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chroma/+bug/2065112? Thanks!
[18:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2065112 in chroma (Ubuntu) "Sync chroma 1.19-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist, New]
[18:31] <liushuyu> ... also this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abi-monitor/+bug/2065197
[18:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2065197 in abi-monitor (Ubuntu) "Sync abi-monitor 1.12-2.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist, New]
[18:36] <liushuyu> also, any Kubuntu folks here to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/oxygencursors/+git/oxygencursors/+merge/465744?
[18:38] <liushuyu> I am unsure who to subscribe to this merge proposal (searched for "kubuntu" on LP and did not return any useful results)
[18:45] <liushuyu> athos: sorry for the ping, but are you still on the patch pilots duty? If yes, can you take a look at some MPs for the universe package merges I proposed? (You can find them at the bottom of the sponsor report)
[18:47] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Kubuntu does their packaging a little different, and doesn't use git-ubuntu at all, nor do they typically do merges from Debian, but get their sources directly from upstream KDE, so let me evaluate, but it might be a "Won't Fix".
[18:50] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: Ah okay. I am just currently going through all the universe merges that are > 400 days old, and this one was on the list
[18:51] <liushuyu> According to the merges.ubuntu.com website, this package is currently 1456 days behind on the merge
[18:51] <athos> I am about to finish the shift. I suppose Eickmeyer is checking those anyway? If not, let me know which ones you want me to take a look :)
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Yeah, that might be true, but if you look at any of the KDE packages you'll notice they're all out of sync, and that's intentional.
[18:52] <athos> I may extend the shift for a few hours to handle arif-ali patches in case they address my comments soon...
[18:52] <arraybolt3> KDE and LXQt are intentionally maintained separately for the most part, *PLEASE OH PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO MERGE OR SYNC THEM* thank you :)
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> athos: I took a look at that SRU and can't say one way or the other as I'm not on the SRU team, but it did look as though there were some concerns wrt d/copyright and d/control.
[18:52] <athos> otherwise, I am finishing that shift :)
[18:53] <athos> @pilot out
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: It's just oxygen-cursors, chill out, I'm on it.
[18:53] <arraybolt3> kk, I expected all of them to be >400 days old and was envisioning a big cleanup process again
[18:54] <athos> Eickmeyer: do you mean the arif-ali one? ahasenack did review the copyright changes and the were indeed addressed. d/control LGTM other than the maintainer field being reverted... I dropped a couple questions in that bug...
[18:54] <liushuyu> arraybolt3: most of the KDE packages are very young according to the merges.u.c
[18:54] <liushuyu> ... except for the oxygencursor one
[18:55] <arraybolt3> ah, ok, then MoM works a bit differently than I thought. Good to know.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> athos: Yes, that's what I was talking about.
[18:56] <liushuyu> I did a reference test build on Oracular for oxygencursors and it doesn't build when parallel job count is greater than 1
[18:56] <liushuyu> But after the merge, it does now
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Let me evaluate the source, 1 minute please
[18:57] <athos> Eickmeyer: if you have any additional concern, would you mind dropping a comment in that bug? I suppose it would be better if I follow through with that upload once things are addressed so no one will need to re-review the whole thing on the next pilot turn
[18:57] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: No problem and sorry for the noises, I was just trying to explain what I have attempted
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> athos: Yep, I'll take a closer look, but I didn't have anything to add, really.
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu, arraybolt3: This looks like a debian merge, not a package explicitly maintained by the Kubuntu team. I'm +1 on a merge for this as it's ***ancient*** and hasn't been merged since Raring Ringtail (13.10!).
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> Or was that 13.04? Too old, point still stands.
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> Furthermore, oxygencursors was part of KDE Suite Compilation 4, so we're two versions behind on that. It's legacy stuff.
[19:00] <arraybolt3> oh wow
[19:01] <liushuyu> arraybolt3: MoM works a bit differently than I thought > Ah okay. I believe someone previously said git-ubuntu is currently the de-facto standard for performing merges (although a lot of people still uses MoM to perform the manual merge)
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Ok, this looks good to me. Sponsoring.
[19:09] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: Thanks!
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: git-ubuntu hates me; won't let me `git push`. Package is uploaded, but I had to do it the old fashioned way.
[19:29] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: Maybe because the package is too old and something broke? I don't know
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> HA! I doubt that's the reason. It said I don't have the perms, even being a MOTU.
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: chrome> syncing
[19:30] <liushuyu> * chroma
[19:30] <liushuyu> (chroma is a text-interface game)
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Yes, typos will be typos. :)
[19:32] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: For a package that old, I believe it's a miracle that git-ubuntu still works (to some extent, at least clone and merge worked okay).
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, the git source was there, and the merge worked, but git ubuntu push was like "yyyeahhh no."
[19:34] <liushuyu> lxqt stuff is also on the > 400 days list, but I can see tsimonq2 left a note saying "don't touch". I guess I will just left them as-is
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Correct, as mentioned by arraybolt3 earlier as well.
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> Reasons: Debian refuses to ship with symbols files.
[19:41] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: I can see some of those packages still merge certain changes from Debian occasionally. I guess it's still better to leave this job to the Lubuntu and Kubuntu maintainers
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Indeed. Kubuntu doesn't even work with the Debian packages, meaning they're not merges at all, but direct uploads from source. Lubuntu does, however, do merges, but I'd leave that to them, especially with the Qt6 and Plasma 6 transitions currently ongoing.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: There are *some* KDE packages that they don't maintain that they allow to come from Debian, such as digiKam, but those are exceptions as they're not part of the regular "KDE Gear" that gets shipped three times a year (yy.mm type version numbers).
[19:46] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: Is there a write-up that documents why Kubuntu intentionally diverges from Debian packaging? I know you explained this was due to Debian does not want to ship symbol files, but I would like to see if there are other reasons
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> They have a whole automation script suite that handles all of the source retrieval, PPA uploading, and everything.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: I believe tsimonq2 knows more about the LXQt side of it for Lubuntu. They probably have it documented on their website. teward knows too, but he doesn't like to be pinged, which I just did intentionally to annoy him as we have a good rapport. :)
[19:47] <RikMills> Kubuntu does do merges every so often, but really only when there is some benefit to that or time allows
[19:47]  * teward kicks Eickmeyer into the abyss
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: There's your Kubuntu answer, but as far as documentaion, RikMills, is that written somewhere?
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Oh look! Springs!
[19:48]  * Eickmeyer bounces out of the abyss
[19:48]  * teward goes back to resting because of his migraine headache
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Oof, feel better teward .
[19:49] <RikMills> liushuyu: we often have to package ahead of debian due to release cycles, we have a different toolchain and builders so things like symbols and passing tests can differ
[19:49] <liushuyu> Is it possible to have springs in the abyss?
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: If you imagine the springs, they can be there.
[19:49] <RikMills> we also may disagree with what recommends debian has put in place for packages
[19:53] <RikMills> on Saturday KDE frameworks 5.116.0 will me out so 83 of those merges on MOM will go away
[19:53] <RikMills> as we will then be ahead of debian in versions
[19:55] <liushuyu> RikMills: Kubuntu does do merges every so often > I see. I guess that's why the merge stats still show the common ancestor version of those packages. Makes sense now.
[19:55] <liushuyu> we often have to package ahead of debian due to release cycles > understandable.
[19:55] <liushuyu> we also may disagree with what recommends debian has put in place for packages > agreed. Debian does have a different philosophy than Ubuntu (I personally think it boils down to how flexible the default installation is, more flexible the default install is, less pre-configurations are done for the out-of-the-box experience)
[19:56] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: possibly documented a long while ago. couldn't honestly point to where now
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: liushuyu was asking. :)
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> athos: If you're still around, I left a comment on the sosreport SRU bug. If the debdiff can apply with `patch` then try it and buld the source package, but if it complains about the source not matching, then extract the source and try building again. At the end of the day, you just need the debian directory in the extracted source and the source
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> archive to build.
[19:58] <RikMills> https://git.launchpad.net/ka/tree/doc/source/README.rst
[19:58] <RikMills> ^^^ that has the mechanics of doing our merges
[19:58] <RikMills> but obviously not the policy
[19:58] <liushuyu> RikMills: I was asking for the write-up because I am curious about the decisions made (and also one of my friends was wondering why Kubuntu feels "different" than the Debian install, and I could not explain at that time)
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: That might just be a difference in defaults for the Plasma desktop, not necessarily packaging practices. :)
[19:59] <RikMills> liushuyu: well different because of the packing to some degree. also different as we have a custom default settings package
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Jinx
[20:01]  * Eickmeyer has to run errands and will be AFK.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Accidental @pilot out
[20:02] <RikMills> oh, we also have kubuntu specific patchs
[20:02] <liushuyu> (so you two point to the same reasoning, that's pretty good. Unless you are the same person under different names, having consensus is a very good thing)
[20:02] <RikMills> for example the patch in plasma-desktop that chages the default main menu favourites
[20:04] <liushuyu> RikMills: I see. Do you have plans to migrate to Plasma 6.x in the near future? (There are still a lot of KDE apps haven't migrated by the upstream though... feels like the KDE 5 situation again)
[20:05] <RikMills> liushuyu: plasma 6 will hopefully happen for 24.10
[20:05] <RikMills> it is being worked on
[20:06] <RikMills> we are currently getting new enough Qt6 into the archive
[20:06] <RikMills> with lubuntu people
[20:10] <liushuyu> I see. Qt 6 seems to have this new fangled QML compiler, but looks very buggy at the moment. Considering most KDE apps now use Kirigami to some degree, I hope that could improve performance a bit
[20:23] <athos> THanks, Eickmeyer :)
[21:00] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: Historically, yes RikMills is correct, we have different release cycles, different builders, and differences in defaults. For LXQt, similar story... LXQt upstream does not like to follow standards sometimes, so we patch and keep a delta. Much of this work is fragmented, some of it is justifiable, some of those changes could be minimized.
[21:01] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: For Qt 6, the plan is to do things differently... LXQt 2.0 will likely be Ubuntu-first, but KDE Frameworks 6 is completely Debian-first, to minimize friction in the NEW queue.
[21:01] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: This has the full Qt 6 plan: https://pad.riseup.net/p/uUGH3GQsHLZz1--651Kk-keep
[21:01] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: We're doing this now so we can ensure that the odd bugs are worked out by the time we ship 26.04 LTS
[21:02] <tsimonq2> If you're looking solely at MoM, yes please don't touch LXQt or KDE packages without talking to someone on the team... at least that's the safest option. And especially, *do not force sync*, because those packages have a delta for a reason.
[21:03] <tsimonq2> If it's done right, I have no objections to seeking outside help with Debian merges... Kubuntu and Lubuntu don't hold "exclusive locks" on these packages, we just put a lot of time into them and don't want someone just syncing over without good reasoning.
[21:19] <liushuyu> also I proposed a merge for gammaray (a Qt app) https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/gammaray/+git/gammaray/+merge/465617
[21:21] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: Your explanations are very helpful, thanks! I do not have permissions to just sync or directly upload the packages, so I would always make a MP and ask someone to take a look
[21:30] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: In which case, lxqt-build-tools and lxqt-metapackages are last updated by you and in the > 300 days zone. And lxqt-metapackages merge requires evaluating package selections. Do you want to handle the merge yourself or I can make an MP so that it might be easier for you?
[21:50] <arraybolt3> liushuyu: If you feel like making an MP, that's fine, we'll gladly take the help :) We may end up not using quite what you propose though since our divergence from Debian is deliberate and there are some choices they've made that we do not want to integrate into Ubuntu's LXQt.
[21:50] <arraybolt3> But still, if you feel like helping, we're more than happy to use it!
[21:51] <liushuyu> arraybolt3: Thanks! I will take a look then
[21:51] <tsimonq2> What arraybolt3 said :) although I'd be Very Careful once you get into merging LXQt 2.0, since we simply aren't there yet in Ubuntu
[21:53] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: I can sponsor gammaray.
[21:54] <Eickmeyer> Though... it might become part of the transition later as it has qt5 deps
[21:54] <Eickmeyer> Not now obvs
[21:54] <tsimonq2> 5 or 6? We're only doing a 6 transition right now
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: It has qt5 deps but will eventually need to depend on qt6. It's a KDE extras app.
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> It's a merge, not part of the KDE Gear.
[21:57] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: gammaray is a debugging tool, probably it will need upgrades when switching to Qt 6 since it might use a lot of private APIs
[22:00] <tsimonq2> That does follow, yeah
[22:04] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[22:04] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: One thing I'm not liking though:
[22:04] <Eickmeyer> W: gammaray source: inconsistent-appstream-metadata-license com.kdab.GammaRay.metainfo.xml (gfdl-1.3 != gpl-2+) [debian/copyright]
[22:04] <Eickmeyer> W: gammaray source: superfluous-file-pattern GammaRay.appdata.xml [debian/copyright:72]
[22:05] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: That's not part of the merge though. I could fix the issue outside of the merge MP though
[22:05] <liushuyu> ... or should I do it in the merge MP?
[22:06] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Since it's a merge as we're maintaining a downstream package from Debian, it's a good idea to do it in the merge and then report the packaging error in bug form to Debian.
[22:06] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: Okay, will do
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> Basically being a good citizen. :)
[22:07] <liushuyu> define "good citizen", because it seems to me that "good" is a bit too broad /s
[22:07] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: If you can fix the RC bug too, I'll sponsor an upload to Debian :P https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017144
[22:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1017144 in src:gammaray "gammaray: FTBFS: test failed" [Serious, Open]
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: to quote Mark, "Making a better Ubuntu makes a better Debian, and making a better Debian makes a better Ubuntu."
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> Or something like that.
[22:09] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: oh I thought you meant making the world a better place ...
[22:09] <liushuyu> ... or something inspirational like that
[22:09] <Eickmeyer> Well, that too, but I narrowed the scope. XD
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> Either way, DEP-5 issues aren't easily ignored, if you know what I mean.
[22:11] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: https://launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/+archive/ubuntu/misc/+sourcepub/16124295/+listing-archive-extra builds fine on Ubuntu Oracular though
[22:12] <arraybolt3> Actually getting your enableProposed.sh script right also makes the world a better place IME. :P
[22:12] <arraybolt3> (fighting with sbuild here, leave me to it)
[22:13] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3 with fighting words
[22:14] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: --extra-repository="deb [trusted=yes] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular-proposed main restricted universe multiverse"
[22:14]  * tsimonq2 runs
[22:15] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: yeah but then you have to get the pinning right remember? >:-)
[22:15] <arraybolt3> or at least at some point in the past that used to be necessary, maybe someone changed a switch somewhere
[22:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: --pre-build-commands="rm /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/whatever.conf" >:P
[22:16] <Eickmeyer> Just throw proposed at 100 and then if you need to upgrade, upgrade pkg/oracular-proposed. :P
[22:16] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: did they do that with an apt conf file? I thought it was something more in-depth than that for some reason.
[22:16] <tsimonq2> *shrug* I don't remember ;)
[22:16] <tsimonq2> *:)
[22:17] <arraybolt3> yeah I don't see anything in apt.conf.d that holds back proposed
[22:17] <arraybolt3> anyway I just use a chroot setup command that adds the proposed line to sources.list and then pins it appropriately, that seems to do the trick
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> OK, by default, the pinning on -proposed is 100. Change it to 500, then you can upgrade to your hearts content. WARNING: YOU WILL HOSE YOUR SYSTEM.
[22:18] <tsimonq2> All of this fancy proposed stuff when you can just use aptitude as a build dep resolver :D
[22:18] <Eickmeyer> ew
[22:18] <arraybolt3> not unles aptitude is broken XD
[22:18] <Eickmeyer> ^
[22:18] <arraybolt3> if it ignores apt pinning that's a Bad Thing
[22:18] <Eickmeyer> ^
[22:18] <tsimonq2> bah, it's just smarter about dependency resolution IME
[22:18] <liushuyu> ... Am I witnessing a fight?
[22:19] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Nah, just a discussion between friends.
[22:19] <arraybolt3> The Lubuntu team always fights with each other. Wait until teward jumps in the mix, then everyone dies.
[22:19] <Eickmeyer> Oh, here comes the nuke.
[22:19] <arraybolt3> but yes this is just a friendly back-and-forth, we oftentimes do this to each other.
[22:19] <liushuyu> "everyone dies"?
[22:19] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: in a joking sense
[22:20] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Not really. Don't take it literally. It's just all fun and games until tsimonq2 owes a beer.
[22:20] <liushuyu> Nah, I can understand jokes
[22:21] <arraybolt3> anyway, sorry to derail the conversation, I'll get back to unravelling symbols files :)
[22:21] <arraybolt3> well, once the archive gives me the new logs to use for that purpose that is
[22:21] <liushuyu> (Does that mean tsimonq2 owes someone a beer very often?)
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Who *don't* I owe beer to? :P
[22:21] <arraybolt3> me, I don't drink beer :D
[22:22] <tsimonq2> *gasps in Wisconsinite*
[22:22] <arraybolt3> you think that's surprising, I don't drink coffee either.
[22:23] <Eickmeyer> *gasps in Washingtonian*
[22:23] <liushuyu> Anyways, tsimonq2 should I test build gammaray on Debian sid as well?
[22:23]  * genii twitches
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> LOL
[22:25] <liushuyu> And to whom will be doing the patch pilot next, I have lined up 10 more merge MPs in the sponsoring queue
[22:44] <teward> arraybolt3: Eickmeyer already raised hell earlier xD
[22:44] <teward> genii: COFFEE
[22:45] <teward> liushuyu: tsimonq2 currently owes me an entire case of beer so im ean
[22:46] <liushuyu> https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-metapackages/+git/lxqt-metapackages/+merge/465808
[22:47] <liushuyu> teward: how do you plan to collect your beers from tsimonq2? Given there are so many
[22:47] <teward> liushuyu: he knows what i desire.  a whole case of Angry Orchard.  He can just give me the $56 to buy it iand that solves the problem :P
[22:47] <teward> but i digress
[22:47] <liushuyu> Which team should I subscribe the MP to?
[22:48] <liushuyu> Does not look like anything useful returned when I search for "lubuntu" in that search box
[22:52] <arraybolt3> ~lubuntu-dev?
[22:53] <liushuyu> arraybolt3: ah thanks! Subscribed now
[22:53] <arraybolt3> thank you!
[22:55] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: gammaray test build> yes please :)
[22:55] <tsimonq2> teward: Angry Orchard? Come to the Ubuntu Summit and we'll split a case :P
[22:56] <teward> tsimonq2: you mean the one coming up in a couple months?  as long as my passport arrives
[22:56] <teward> you'll be buying me a drink anyways
[22:56] <teward> since you owe me like 200
[22:59] <tsimonq2> ++tab; apparently :P
[23:01] <arraybolt3> Alright, got a pop question for everyone. Why would attempting to build a package on Oracular with oracular-proposed enabled attempt to pull in a version of openssl that was uploaded to lunar-security rather than the one from oracular's release pocket?
[23:02] <arraybolt3> Just hit `The following packages have unmet dependencies: libssl-dev : Depends: libssl3 (= 3.0.8-1ubuntu1.1)` trying to build ausweisapp2 for Oracular. That version is in lunar-security, the version in oracular is 3.0.13-0ubuntu3.
[23:04] <arraybolt3> mmm, somehow the lunar-security one ended up in oracular-proposed too.


 Thanks Val, I picked up that thread from there 🥰
[20:47] <valorie> excellent
[20:47] <valorie> I hope i'm not missed from these online meetings because I really Do Not Like online meetings
 valorie I just saw it and it wasn't me who got it. @Sick_Rimmit did you know who and when the review units were shipped?
[23:35] <valorie> @ahoneybun right, I was commenting on the tweet link you posted
[23:35] <valorie> the review units have not yet been sent afaik
 Ah.


[21:12] <MarkDude> zachy: you are the goto Ubuntu Pinoy?
[21:13] <MarkDude> There is a SFD event in Sept being put on by folks in Cagayan de Oro. I already have some local (to me in California) able to send swag for their event. I can get someone else to help if you are busy.
[21:14] <MarkDude> Also wanting to know if you need swag for other events. /me is Fedoran, and helps APAC region out as much as I can. Penguin Family :)
[21:20]  * MarkDude is ok with others giving me an idea whats up. The CDO folks are helping restart a group in Cebu, and have folks in Makati too. So its spreading :)
[21:25] <MarkDude> Oops, wrong Zak it seems, Sorry po