[02:02] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:43] <ducasse> hiya
[06:46] <KBar> There is a link to a phishing site in this comment: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+question/221018 where can I report it?
[07:02] <Maik> maybe try in #launchpad ?
[08:12] <lordievader> Good morning


[12:49] <mpt> jordi, ping
[12:52] <jordi> hi mpt
[12:53] <mpt> jordi, do you happen to know how to code translation comments that will get picked up by Rosetta?
[12:53] <jordi> What language?
[12:53] <mpt> C
[12:53] <jordi> In C, you normally add a comment just before the gettext call
[12:54] <mpt> oh
[12:54] <jordi> If that's not enough, use /* TRANSLATORS: fooo
[12:54] <mpt>  /* comment here */
[12:54] <mpt> foo = g_strdup (_("bar"))
[12:54] <mpt> like that?
[12:54] <mpt> that's easy enough
[12:54] <mpt> thanks jordi
[12:55] <mdke> jordi: you were asking about documenting langpacks the other day
[12:55] <jordi> np!
[12:55] <mdke> jordi: want to continue now?
[12:55] <jordi> mdke: yeah, I really shouldn't be irciong now.
[12:55] <jordi> the gf wants to start watching a movie
[12:55] <mdke> jordi: another time is fine
[12:55] <jordi> I wanted to discuss with you where we should document this kind of "official" policies
[12:55] <jordi> ok
[12:56] <jordi> besides the FAQ
[12:56] <mdke> a translators guide, you think?
[12:57] <jordi> something like this. I need to talk to you about more general Rosetta docs though
[12:57] <jordi> re how to organise them, etc
[12:57] <mdke> jordi: ok. I'll be around tomorrow if you like
[12:57] <jordi> but not now :P
[12:57] <jordi> ok, or monday, Im not sure about tomorrow
[12:58] <mdke> jordi: email maybe
[12:58] <jordi> ok
[12:58] <jordi> in any case, ttyl
[12:58] <jordi> It's woody allen time :)
[12:58] <mdke> have fun
[12:58] <jordi> k, laters!
[02:55] <ompaul> anyone know if there is there are reason there are no Ubunteros findable on lp
[09:16] <Vampyre-2099> hey people
[11:13] <rob> hi, I changed my Name in launchpad, does that change my @ubuntu.com email address too?
[11:15] <lifeless> I'm not sure
[11:15] <rob> I'd prefer if it did
[11:16] <lifeless> give it a day to sync, then try ;)
[11:16] <rob> yeah, ok
[11:16] <rob> how come it takes so long?
[11:16] <rob> if its pulling/pushing data into a sql database, shouldn't it be pretty quick (provided that is what it is doing)?
[11:19] <lifeless> like I ay, I'm not sure about the process
[11:20] <rob> k
[11:21] <mdke> rob: I think it requires admin intervention. It did when i changed my emai address anyway, not sure about a nick change
[11:22] <mdke> wait a few days and see if it works
[11:22] <rob> mdke, thanks, odd process though
[11:22] <mdke> rob: hmm?
[11:23] <rob> I just would have thought it would be more automated
[11:23] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[11:23] <mdke> perhaps in a world where everything is perfect, yeah
[11:23] <rob> heh
[11:35] <lifeless> mdke: or more precisely where every*body* is
[11:35] <lifeless> one can imagine abuse rather easily
[11:36] <mdke> lifeless: yes, that's a good point
[11:48] <fabbione> rob: afaik the mail db is manually synced from LP. better wait and see.
[11:50] <sivang> hi folks
[01:22] <funman> hello
[02:09] <funman> sorry
[02:09] <funman> i did not see if there were answers to my question
[02:33] <mdke> funman: we didn't see your question
[02:34] <lifeless> AFAWCT you did not ask a question
[02:34] <funman> sorry i got disconnection problems
[02:34] <funman> so it was:
[02:35] <funman> i read on the faq that launchpad is being released in GPL, small parts at once
[02:35] <funman> and i'm searching a status page of this process
[02:35] <funman> which parts are already released, and what is actually blocking the GPL releasing process of the other parts
[02:38] <mdke> funman: I don't think there is such a page
[02:38] <mdke> funman: note that it says "free software" rather than GPL
[02:39] <mdke> according to that page it is basically the fact that all the code is interelated that is preventing the licensing of some parts
[02:39] <funman> that's what i understood
[02:40] <funman> but i understood too that all the code may be licensed under a free license, even if it would take some years
[02:40] <mdke> that seems to be the ultimate intention, yep
[02:40] <funman> and that canonical is searching for some python devs to help in this process
[02:41] <mdke> right, to separate the various parts, that seems to be what the page says
[03:11] <Dr^EviL> help
[03:12] <mdke> Dr^EviL: more details needed
[03:12] <Dr^EviL> yeah
[03:28] <funman> mdke: do you know who i should ask for making such a page ?
[03:28] <funman> i mean, some specifical launchpad developer, or should i mail directly canonical
[03:34] <mdke> funman: not sure. I'd recommend asking here on a week day
[03:35] <funman> sunday is a day of the week :)
[03:36] <funman> all right, i'll reiter my demand on tomorrow
[05:32] <siretart> ddaa: hi there, around?
[05:32] <ddaa> siretart: helle
[05:32] <ddaa> hello
[05:33] <siretart> ddaa: i was pointed to you because of auto importing branches from upstream
[05:33] <ddaa> yes, it's part of my job
[05:34] <Espion--X> hello  alll  here
[05:34] <Espion--X>    :)
[05:34] <siretart> ddaa: xine-lib is registered, but there doesn't seem to be a bzr for it https://launchpad.net/products/xine-lib/+branches
[05:34] <ddaa> mh
[05:35] <siretart> ddaa: I registed mplayer as well, and I'd like it to be autosynced as well, if it was possible
[05:35] <ddaa> looking into it
[05:35] <siretart> https://launchpad.net/products/mplayer/trunk says it was still 'testing'. since days
[05:35] <ddaa> so xine-lib is on sourceforge
[05:36] <siretart> https://launchpad.net/products/xine-lib/head says it was 'syncing' but I cannot find the bzr branch anywhere
[05:36] <ddaa> all our sourceforge imports are currently broken because of 1. sourceforge bulk renaming of cvs repos 2. bugs in our handling of changed cvroot 3. reviewers bickering 4. not enough hours in the day
[05:37] <siretart> aah, okay. this explains
[05:37] <ddaa> I'll make a note to look into it again when the sourcefore issue is  fixed
[05:37] <siretart> the next thing: it seems that I somehow broke a bzr branch on the supermirror:
[05:37] <siretart> bzr: ERROR: Lock was broken while still open: LockDir(sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-dev/aspectc%2B%2B/debian/.bzr/branch/lock) - check storage consistency!
[05:38] <siretart> I interrupted a commit, I admit it
[05:38] <ddaa> no idea what this error means
[05:39] <ddaa> it's probably not a supermirror-specific issue
[05:39] <ddaa> since it just looks like a normal sftp to bzr
[05:39] <siretart> I think one has to run 'bzr check' in the bzr branch on the supermirror
[05:39] <siretart> but that's just a guess
[05:40] <ddaa> I that one means "this error message sucks"
[05:40] <ddaa> I kicked the mplayer test
[05:41] <ddaa> maybe one day we'll be able to make vcs import be fully automatic
[05:41] <LarstiQ> siretart: have you tried bzr break-lock?
[05:41] <LarstiQ> ddaa: that too
[05:41] <siretart> LarstiQ: trying
[05:43] <siretart> LarstiQ: gives me a new exception: bzr: ERROR: exceptions.IOError: rmdir failed at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/transport/sftp.py line 540 in _translate_io_exception
[05:44] <LarstiQ> oh great
[05:44] <siretart> trying to unbind
[05:44] <LarstiQ> siretart: is that with 0.8?
[05:44] <siretart> LarstiQ: yes, dapper latest
[05:44] <LarstiQ> siretart: care to file 'better error message needed' bugs if they don't exist yet?
[05:46] <siretart> LarstiQ: I think I have to do that
[05:46] <ddaa> siretart: my idle suggestion would be "trash the branch and start again". You can probably just delete the .bzr on the supermirror via sftp and copy a correct one in place (using sftp directly). For example using the nautilus sftp browser.
[05:47] <ddaa> see what I mean?
[05:47] <siretart> ddaa: intersting idea. will try that
[05:54] <ddaa> siretart: i'll manually fix the cvsroot for xine-lib, it's weird that the bzr branch was never published
[05:55] <siretart> ddaa: :)
[06:27] <siretart> ddaa: deleting the .bzr dir wasn't a that great idea. Now I cannot push, becuase the directory still exists, and I cannot delete it either because of permissions :(
[06:27] <ddaa> did you read my suggestion _entirely_?
[06:29] <ddaa> "and copy a correct one in place (using sftp directly)"
[06:31] <siretart> aah, sorry. I misread
[06:31] <Keybuk> Exception while accepting: type object 'DistroReleaseQueueStatus' has no attribute 'UNAPROVED'
[06:32] <Keybuk> Kinnison, cprov-lunch ... ^^
[06:35] <lifeless> s/P/PP ;)
[06:45] <Keybuk> indeed
[06:45] <Keybuk> missing test case there, one thinks
[06:48] <ddaa> siretart: okay, xinelib is broken in a interestingly creative way
[06:48] <ddaa> unfortunate interaction between a really broken cvs commit message
[06:49] <siretart> ddaa: oh, it is? (well, the software itself is as well on some archs ;)
[06:49] <ddaa> the rfc822 format of baz commit logs
[06:53] <ddaa> bzr should be able to deal with the broken commit log much more gracefully though
[07:53] <cprov> Keybuk: typo fixed, test added in my `small-fixes` branch, thank you for reporting this
[07:54] <Keybuk> cprov: when will that likely be deployed?
[07:54] <Keybuk> given that this kinda blocks uploads right now
[07:54] <cprov> Keybuk: production is already cowboyed ;)
[07:54] <Keybuk> thanks
[07:55] <cprov> Keybuk: np
[07:57] <cprov> Keybuk:  let me know if it works, I'm around
[08:00] <Keybuk> seems to be fine thanks
[08:01] <cprov> you're welcome, sorry for that mistake


[01:04] <scott-upstairs> i noticed the ubuntustudio apha-1 image isn't available :(  anyone know why?
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Not this one? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20101130/
[01:07] <charlie-tca> It is on the iso tracker, too
[01:08] <charlie-tca> scott-upstairs, it won't get called alpha-1 until Thursday, or when it is released. The tests are all done with the daily
[01:13] <scott-upstairs> hi charlie-tca , i got an email today about this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4797
[01:13] <scott-upstairs> but it says the image isn't available anymore
[01:14] <scott-upstairs> oi, found it
[01:14] <scott-upstairs> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4797
[01:14] <charlie-tca> We got bad links on the tracker, but the iso is there for testing
[01:14] <scott-upstairs> yeah, it looks like the link may be down :/
[01:15] <scott-upstairs> downloading the image now from your link :)
[01:15] <charlie-tca> The tracker links are acting strange, for reasons I don't know
[01:43] <scott-upstairs> charlie-tca, now it appears that some canonical servers are down, i wonder if its related to the tracker links
[01:46] <Riddell> data centre is dying/dead
[01:46] <ScottK> Lovely.
[02:03] <charlie-tca> That could be
[02:16] <charlieS> no, it started 18 mins after you mentioned tracker links, charlie-tca
[02:17] <charlie-tca> oh
[02:31] <ScottK> Looks like stuff is coming back.
[02:34] <skaet_> ScottK,   iso tracker and launchpad are up now again at least....
[09:21] <quadrispro> hi all
[10:27] <apw> skaet_, i see the kernel built ok over night
[10:28] <cjwatson> do I need to rebuild the installer against it?
[10:29] <apw> cjwatson, good question, let me see what they did the upload for
[10:29] <cjwatson> [Config] Add bnx2 firmware to nic-modules udeb
[10:29] <cjwatson> that sounds like a "yes"
[10:30] <apw> cjwatson, heh yes it looks like it
[10:31] <cjwatson> technically, most of the CD initrds don't have nic-modules in, and the alternate CDs were built late enough to just include the new nic-modules udeb directly
[10:31] <cjwatson> server CDs weren't, though
[10:31] <cjwatson> so might as well respin d-i and build with that
[10:32] <apw> cjwatson, damn, i had assumed that the CDs were in manual mode during the freeze
[10:36] <cjwatson> they probably ought to have been, but I was on vacation yesterday
[10:36] <cjwatson> in this case, it's all to the good
[10:45] <apw> cjwatson, hopefully we are good now.  there was much flapping yesterday
[10:46] <cjwatson> well, I reuploaded d-i
[10:47] <cjwatson> doesn't sound like the bnx2 firmware breakage justified massive panic TBH :-)
[10:47] <cjwatson> though I suppose you might not have known the cause ...
[10:48] <apw> cjwatson, i am told it affected some key server testing, but i would have thought fridays CDs would have been just as good too
[10:49]  * apw goes sort out the VCS carnage inserting the extra upload had wraught
[10:51] <cjwatson> you know your VCS is too complicated when ... ;-)
[10:51]  * cjwatson ducks
[10:51] <apw> cjwatson, heh nothing wrong with the VCS, something wrong with the interaction between the two users working on it at the same time, cause of an emergency
[13:14] <charlie-tca> If all the images are new today, do we need to update the iso tracker to have them tested again?
[14:23] <jibel> skaet_, can you remove kubuntu mobile i386, ubuntu studio alternate i386/amd64 from the tracker, there is no build associated with them. Thanks.
[14:24] <charlie-tca> jibel, the studio builds are there. Something is wrong with the tracker link
[14:24] <charlie-tca> the builds are at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20101201/
[14:26] <jibel> charlie-tca, thanks.  skaet_, per charlie's comment, kubuntu mobile i386 then, and update the links for ubuntu studio alternate
[14:26] <charlie-tca> We couldn't get the links to work yesterday, either
[14:33] <apw> is anyone reporting that natty as it is now is logging in to a blank screen, no toolbars etc
[14:33] <apw> skaet_, ^^
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> apw - bug 683531
[14:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683531 in compiz (Ubuntu) "panel not there after maverick -> natty upgrade with no 3d (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683531
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> possibly ;)
[14:35] <jibel> apw, bug 681294, on eeepc 1015 but before logging in.
[14:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681294 in linux (Ubuntu) "[STAGING] X doesn't start with 2.6.37-6+ (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681294
[14:36] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/683403
[14:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683403 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "natty 20101130.1 - 20101201 live session without panel (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Fix released]
[14:37] <jibel> charlie-tca, skaet_, links for ubuntu studio alternate are fixed.
[14:39] <charlie-tca> thanks, jibel
[14:42] <skaet_> jibel,  will remove kubuntu mobile i386.   was going to ask you to do the links for ubuntu studio alternate - but looks like you've done them.   have you managed to fix the links preinstalled omap one?  it needs it too.
[14:44] <jibel> skaet_, no, I was unsure if it needed a fix or removal.
[14:44] <jibel> skaet_, looking at it now.
[14:45] <skaet_> thanks jibel,  was pointing to a /ports/ link - should be referencing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20101130/natty-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz
[14:48] <pitti> hey skaet_, good morning
[14:49] <skaet_> good afternoon pitti, cjwatson.  :)
[14:51] <cjwatson> hi.  can we catch up now rather than at the timeslot in your calendar invite?  I have a team meeting then ...
[14:51] <skaet_> cjwatson, pitti - which images are ready to be refreshed on the iso tracker?
[14:51] <skaet_> cjwatson, sure, hopping on mumble.
[14:51] <cjwatson> hm, I think my sound is broken at the moment, sorry
[14:51] <cjwatson> I'm about to respin server
[14:52] <cjwatson> (for the kernel thing)
[14:53] <skaet_> cjwatson,  ack.
[14:53] <cjwatson> also, I think Ubuntu desktop powerpc builds might actually work for the next spin
[14:54] <cjwatson> I'll do that right after server - was waiting for new compiz
[14:54] <ogra> grmbl
[14:54] <ogra> omap4 doesnt boot due to "unkonwn error" from run-init
[14:59] <cjwatson> so: currently respinning Ubuntu server, then Ubuntu alternate/desktop.  Does anyone else have specific reasons for rebuilds?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> missing wubi in Ubuntu/Xubuntu?
[15:04] <charlie-tca> or can we just put that in the release notes for alpha1?
[15:09] <cjwatson> good point: that's been fixed build-side, so just takes a respin.  We'll pick it up for Ubuntu, and I'll make sure we respin Xubuntu for you too
[15:09] <cjwatson> just Xubuntu desktop CDs, I guess, if there's no other reason for a respin there
[15:10] <cjwatson> mvo: can you look at bug 681382?
[15:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681382 in ubuntu-extras-keyring (Ubuntu) "extras gpg key missing for natty (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681382
[15:10] <cjwatson> mvo: (maybe you should be subscribed to ubuntu-extras-keyring bugs?)
[15:11] <highvoltage> For Edubuntu, would it be possible to go with the 20101130 build instead of the 20101130.1 one? 20101130.1 has some session issues and I'm not sure how long that will take to fix, while 20101130 was ok
[15:12] <cjwatson> what's on the tracker right now?  (I'm rsyncing a CD, HTTP requests are taking forever ...)
[15:13] <cjwatson> the release script will publish whatever's on the tracker
[15:13] <highvoltage> cjwatson: .1
[15:13] <highvoltage> (so the broken one)
[15:18] <cjwatson> skaet_: ^- can that one be wound back to 20101130?
[15:18] <skaet_> cjwatson, on it now.
[15:19] <cjwatson> ta
[15:20] <skaet_> highvoltage, should be good now,  can you confirm?
[15:20] <mvo> cjwatson: I have a look now, I saw it yesterday evening but couldn't make sense of it
[15:21] <highvoltage> skaet_: just got the confirmation email, thanks!
[15:26] <cjwatson> new server build posted
[15:28] <skaet_> cjwatson, have disabled the server image, ubuntu alternate and xubuntu alternate images for now.
[15:29] <cjwatson> whoa
[15:29] <cjwatson> re-enable server please, see above :)
[15:29] <skaet_> yeah - I just figured I stomped.  sigh.
[15:29] <cjwatson> rebuilding Ubuntu alternate then desktop now
[15:30] <cjwatson> actually - Xubuntu alternate should be re-enabled, I think we only need to respin desktop there
[15:31] <charlie-tca> That's right. Thanks
[15:33] <skaet_> cjwatson, what about the ubuntu server EC2 & UEC builds?
[15:33] <skaet_> charlie-tca, can you check I've got it accurate now?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> looking
[15:35] <cjwatson> skaet_: not sure
[15:36] <skaet_> cjwatson, ok, will ping smoser
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Perfect for Xubuntu
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Are ubuntu desktop rebuilding, too?
[15:37] <smoser> skaet_, images went through test, looking at results now.
[15:37] <smoser> i think generally well enough
[15:38] <skaet_> charlie-tca,  yes, desktop is rebuilding as well... will go mark.
[15:38] <skaet_> smoser, so should be updated to today's build?
[15:39] <smoser> oh. i didn't follow that.
[15:39] <smoser> why should we update to today's build ?
[15:39] <smoser> (sorry for being late to the party)
[15:42] <skaet_> picked up a new kernel last night
[15:43] <smoser> ah. then, yeah, i can re-spin tests on todays images
[15:43] <cjwatson> the new kernel was just udeb changes though
[15:43] <skaet_> smoser, bug #676245
[15:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 676245 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 -- no network found on ISO install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676245
[15:43] <cjwatson> it doesn't affect EC2
[15:43] <cjwatson> or UEC
[15:44] <cjwatson> that bug only affects images that use d-i
[15:44] <smoser> no. wont affect us
[15:44]  * cjwatson makes http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/natty_probs.html wowrk
[15:44] <cjwatson> *work
[15:44] <smoser> no installer, *and* no bcm5709
[15:57] <skaet_> smoser, ok.  we'll leave what's there already alone.
[15:58] <tgardner> smoser, are you saying  bug 676245 _isn't_ fixed?
[15:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 676245 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 -- no network found on ISO install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676245
[15:58] <cjwatson> tgardner: it's not an issue for smoser's images (EC2/UEC).
[15:59] <tgardner> cjwatson, I know that, but what he's saying  wasn't clear to me.
[15:59] <cjwatson> "no installer, *and* no bcm5709" - i.e. UEC doesn't have an installer, and doesn't have a virtualised bcm5709 device even if it did
[15:59] <tgardner> cjwatson, ah, context is everything
[15:59] <smoser> if i had combined my two lines i think it would appear more clear.  the kernel bug/fix will not affect ec2 images because EC2/UEC have a.) no installer [other than debootstrap/vmbuilder] b.) no broadcom network adapters.
[16:00] <tgardner> smoser, cool. I'm still awaiting positive confirmation that 676245 was just a firmware load issue.
[16:34] <mvo> cjwatson: the extras.ubuntu.com key problem is fixed, lamont was kind enough to fix it (was a server side issue)
[16:35] <cjwatson> thanks.  I guess I'll need to rev apt-setup then
[16:35] <cjwatson> hm, I suspect all alpha-1 systems will fail to have a working extras.ubuntu.com ...
[16:36] <cjwatson> or maybe not
[16:36] <cjwatson> will apt mind if it initially has its extras Release/Release.gpg signed with one key, and then finds that the files on the network are signed with another?
[16:36] <cjwatson> if you remember, we prepopulate signed Release files so that apt won't downgrade to unsigned
[16:37] <lamont> cjwatson: the sync script was failing to resign the releases file.
[16:39] <cjwatson> right, I guessed
[16:43] <charlie-tca> I did a desktop install, and then ran upgrades, and it worked
[16:45] <skaet_> charlie-tca, :)  thanks!
[17:15] <cjwatson> Riddell,ScottK: should I respin Kubuntu desktop (ISO only, the livefs can stay the same) to include wubi on the CD?
[17:15] <ScottK> cjwatson: I'd say no (I think wubi is very low priority for Alpha 1), but Riddell may feel differently.
[17:16] <ScottK> (he should be around too)
[17:16] <Riddell> cjwatson: we need to wait for kdebindings
[17:16] <cjwatson> Riddell: does that mean Kubuntu needs a respin for alpha-1?
[17:16] <Riddell> cjwatson: yes
[17:17] <cjwatson> mvo: ^- can you look at the above analysis about apt-setup and let me know whether you think apt is going to be upset about having the wrong prepopulated Release.gpg?
[17:17] <cjwatson> I'm going to upload fresh installer packages for that anyway, in case they get picked up in respins
[17:18] <cjwatson> but I'd like to know whether Ubuntu desktop should be considered invalid due to this
[17:19] <mvo> cjwatson: I think it will not mind, its only chcking careful for stuff comming from the net (or other external sources). once it in its local namespace/dirspace it trusts it
[17:20] <cjwatson> ok
[17:20] <cjwatson> thanks
[17:43] <cjwatson> I think I've fixed the broken redirects for old ports URLs
[17:43] <skaet_> jibel ^^^
[17:43] <cjwatson> modulo syncing
[17:44] <cjwatson> jibel: the ISO tracker should still update to remove ports/ from all cdimage URLs, though
[17:44] <cjwatson> (if it hasn't already)
[17:45] <jibel> cjwatson, sure, I appended that task to my todo list for post-A1. Thank you for fixing it.
[18:00] <cjwatson> posted Ubuntu alternate/desktop
[18:02] <skaet_> Riddell,  alternates needed for Kubuntu as well?  or just desktop?
[18:03] <Riddell> we need both once kdebindings is in
[18:04] <Riddell> which it doesn't seem to be yet
[18:04] <skaet_> ok, will mark them both as rebuilding then.
[18:13]  * skaet_ heading to lunch, biab
[19:03] <Riddell> kdebindings is in the archive
[19:03] <Riddell> cjwatson: are you doing cd building?  if so go with new kubuntu images
[19:47] <cjwatson> Riddell: building
[19:48] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: Xubuntu desktop posted
[19:48] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'm going out to get dinner - perhaps somebody else can keep an eye on antimony and post Kubuntu images when they're finished
[19:49] <charlie-tca> thanks
[20:05] <skaet_> cjwatson, will keep an eye open for them.
[21:48] <skaet_> Riddell, ScottK,  kubuntu impages posted to isotracker (20101201.1)
[21:49] <ScottK> OK.
[21:50] <cjwatson> BTW, I have an idea how to deal with the transient build failures that plague us on Xubuntu, but it's a bit complicated :-/
[21:51] <cjwatson> what's happening (for the record) is that main/restricted and universe/multiverse are synced separately, because many images only need the former and syncing universe is pretty slow because it's so big
[21:51] <cjwatson> (even if not much has changed, it takes an age to work out that there's nothing to do)
[21:52] <cjwatson> we have a grotty symlink arrangement, but sometimes the Release files get out of sync
[21:52] <cjwatson> so I think I need to adjust how debian-cd's sources.list is built, to use the two separate mirrors properly rather than relying on the symlinks
[21:53] <cjwatson> either that or use lmirror, which I'm told is a lot more efficient than rsync.  that might be a good idea anyway ...
[21:55] <skaet_> cjwatson, is there a good way to get the difference between 20101201 and 20101201.1 for ubuntu desktop & alternate?
[22:00] <cjwatson> sure
[22:00] <cjwatson> diff the two .manifest files (for the livefs) and the two .list files (for the iso9660 filesystem content)
[22:00] <skaet_> was thinking of diffing the manifests, but figured there might be something less burte force.
[22:00] <skaet_> lol
[22:01] <skaet_> brute even
[22:01] <cjwatson> that's what you've got
[22:01] <skaet_> :)  thanks
[22:02] <cjwatson> updated packages: compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common gksu jockey-common jockey-gtk libcamel1.2-19 libdecoration0 libebackend1.2-0 libebook1.2-10 libecal1.2-8 libedata-book1.2-8 libedata-cal1.2-10 libedataserver1.2-14 libedataserverui1.2-11 libegroupwise1.2-13 libgupnp-1.0-3 libsyncdaemon-1.0-1 nvidia-96-modaliases python-ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client ...
[22:02] <cjwatson> ... ubuntuone-client-gnome xterm
[22:02] <cjwatson> (on i386 but I imagine amd64 is similar)
[22:03]  * skaet_ nods
[22:04] <cjwatson> in terms of source packages, that's: compiz evolution-data-server gksu gupnp jockey nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 ubuntuone-client xterm
[22:04] <cjwatson> amd64 confirmed the same
[22:05] <cjwatson> the only change in the .list files is to add wubi
[22:05] <ScottK> I don't suppose there is a server respin coming up?
[22:06] <cjwatson> not on my list, why?
[22:22] <ScottK> I've got a clamav security upload to do.
[22:23] <ScottK> It's not bad enough to cause a respin, but if there was one already planned, I was going to see about getting it in.
[22:26] <cjwatson> I think you might as well upload it anyway, and then it can be included if we need one
[22:26] <ScottK> OK.
[22:26] <ScottK> Let me just test it a bit ....
[23:23] <ScottK> Uploaded.
[23:23] <seb128> cjwatson, skaet_: unity fix uploaded
[23:25] <rickspencer3> thanks ScottK
[23:26] <ScottK> rickspencer3: For?  It wasn't me who uploaded Unity.
[23:26] <rickspencer3> oh
[23:26] <rickspencer3> ScottK well, thanks for just being awesome, then ;)
[23:26]  * ScottK is pretty sure seb128 is a big boy and can upload his own packages ...
[23:27] <rickspencer3> haha
[23:46] <cjwatson> ok.  amd64/i386 accepted so I'm going to run the publisher by hand to hurry things along


[14:55] <holst> hi again :)
[14:56] <holst> my usb keyboard isnt working in the mini.iso install cd
[14:56] <holst> do I need to pass some kernel arguments to get it working?
[15:02] <holst> any ideas?
[15:48] <holst> is the keyboard disabled if you use preseeing.cfg?
[17:05] <holst> it was the unetbootin program that didnt have support for it
[18:08] <holst> up and running it seems, thanks for listening :)
[18:38] <TheMuso> .c


[07:56] <infinity> Who understands udev/rules.d?
[07:57] <fabbione> Keybuk :)
[07:57] <infinity> Right, but he's not around.  Anyone else? :)
[12:24] <fabbione> guys who remember how to disable archive copier?
[12:24] <fabbione> from install cd/dvd boot prompt?
[12:25] <Kamion> archive-copier/copy=false
[12:25] <fabbione> Kamion: thanks
[12:56] <makx> hmm latest initramfs-tools remved the code surounding ${resume}
[12:56] <makx> config file setting this param will noop.
[02:24] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: do you still have a T42?
[03:06] <infinity> Keybuk : Oh, I was looking for you earlier.
[03:07] <Keybuk> I'm here now, what's your pleasure?
[03:07] <infinity> http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/ltmodem.rules
[03:08] <infinity> a) Do I even need that in the new world order?
[03:08] <Keybuk> almost certainly
[03:08] <infinity> b) Do I need anything OTHER than that (ie: something to make hotplugging work?)
[03:08] <Keybuk> it'll need rewriting though
[03:08] <Keybuk> if the ltmodem drivers correctly advertise what things they hook for, you don't need anything for hotplug
[03:08] <infinity> c) If I only need the above, is there any way to get it into udev itself, so I don't have to worry about sticking it in lrm-common, or some other odd place.
[03:09] <Keybuk> sure, I can stick those in udev
[03:10] <infinity> How does it advertise?
[03:10] <infinity> MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(pci, ltmodem_pci_ids);
[03:10] <infinity> ?
[03:10] <infinity> (ltmodem_pci_ids is a big struct with a mess of PCI IDs)
[03:10] <Keybuk> yup
[03:10] <Keybuk> sounds reasonable
[03:10] <Keybuk> does "modinfo ltmodem" list a bunch of alias lines?
[03:11] <Keybuk> (ltserial seems to)
[03:11] <infinity> Yeah, it's ltserial that has the table..
[03:11] <infinity> I assume ltmodem gets loaded from ltserial or something.
[03:11] <infinity> Not having the hardware makes it difficult to actually test these theories. :)
[03:12] <Keybuk> yeah, ltmodem depends: ltserial
[03:12] <Kamion> infinity: wow, does that even work? KERNEL== not KERNEL= surely ...
[03:12] <infinity> Kamion : It works for the driver maintainer on Debian.
[03:12] <infinity> (As of sometime this summer)
[03:12] <Keybuk> heh
[03:12] <Kamion> maybe he has no udev rules after it ;)
[03:12] <infinity> So... "maybe"?
[03:12] <Keybuk> KERNEL="ttyLTM[0-9] " will return true <g>
[03:13] <Keybuk> (and change the kernel-assigned make for any following udev rule :p)
[03:13] <Keybuk> that should be
[03:13] <Keybuk> KERNEL=="ttyLTM[0-9] *", SYMLINK+="modem"  (in 40-permissions.rules)
[03:13] <Keybuk> KERNEL=="ttyLTM[0-9] *", MODE="0660", GROUP="dialout"  (in 60-symlinks.rules)
[03:14] <Keybuk> uh, reverse the filenames and get me more coffee <g>
[03:14] <infinity> Cool.  If you can put it in udev proper, I'll be a happy camper.
[03:14] <Keybuk> yup
[03:14] <infinity> Out of curiosity, though, how should I do it (and at what order in rules.d) if I had to do it myself?
[03:15] <Keybuk> those two rules
[03:15] <Keybuk> 00-19 is anything really critically important to go first (ie. WAIT_FOR_SYSFS type things)
[03:16] <Keybuk> 20-39 assigns names
[03:16] <Keybuk> 40-59 assigns permissions
[03:16] <Keybuk> 60-79 adds symlinks
[03:16] <Keybuk> 80-99 runs programs
[03:16] <infinity> Cool.
[03:16] <Keybuk> usually pick low+5 (ie. 25, 45, 65, 85, 95 [for modprobe calls] ) for custom rules
[03:17] <Keybuk> the idea is that it makes /etc/udev/rules.d/50-*.rules the perfect place for user rules
[03:17] <Keybuk> they can't override names we assign, but can assign their own
[03:17] <Keybuk> they can override permissions, symlinks, programs, and can do things like options="last_rule" and stuff
[03:21] <Kamion> Keybuk: oh yeah, thanks for the pcmciautils change, I'd been meaning to do that
[03:21] <Kamion> Keybuk: do you have a bzr branch for that?
[03:23] <Keybuk> no :p  I don't have bzr on my laptop at the moment
[03:24] <Kamion> ok, I'll just merge it then
[06:45] <Keybuk> \o/
[06:45] <Keybuk> I fixed the /dev permissions bugs
[06:45] <Keybuk> it was debhelper being "helpful"
[06:50] <jbailey> Yeah, it does that. =)
[06:53] <Keybuk> I want them all to be 0600 by default, so people can't toy with them <g>
[06:54] <Keybuk> debhelper thought they should be 0644
[11:34] <Kamion> hmm, weird, now udev on the live CD doesn't want to create /dev/hd*
[11:34] <Kamion> or sd*
[11:39] <Kamion> ah, there's /dev/sd* now after udevplug -Bpci
[11:48] <Kamion> double-ah, iz hw-detect's fault


[09:24] <ev> \o/ unblocked on IS
[09:25] <ev> the only thing getting in the way of this installer testing stuff getting finished is me :)
[09:55] <ara> ev, !
[09:55] <ara> ev, great
[09:55] <ev> :)
[12:53] <CIA-88> ubiquity: jriddell * r4445 trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[12:53] <CIA-88> ubiquity: ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartAuto.py fix namespace on QWidget
[12:53] <CIA-88> ubiquity: LP: #684059
[14:32] <cjwatson> ev: bug 684076: hmm, perhaps I should have asked you to build a current wubi for natty after all :-/
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 684076 in ubuntu "Wubi.exe on 11.04 ISOs wants to install 10.10 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684076
[14:32] <cjwatson> ev: could you do one for me?
[14:37] <ev> sure thing
[15:47] <ev> (trying to get it built within my natty chroot)
[15:56] <ev> right, sorted
[15:56] <ev> and uploaded
[15:56] <ev> as it turns out, passwd is kind of important to have.
[16:15] <CIA-88> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4446 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): Ensure that /var/lib/ubiquity exists in scripts/plugininstall.py.
[16:25] <cyphermox> I'm investigating the cause for bug 656757; is there a specific reason why in casper, /root/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/10-live-cd.pkla has ResultInactive=no rather than just permitting access? am I missing a bad security issue of live sessions?
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656757 in network-manager (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "wireless connection falls when switching to virtual console (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656757
[16:25] <cyphermox> ^^ that bug is specific to live sessions, can't be reproduced on an installed system
[16:28] <cjwatson> try asking james_w, who wrote that code
[16:28] <cjwatson> (according to bzr blame)
[16:28] <cyphermox> ahah, thanks
[17:00] <CIA-88> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4447 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Automatic update of included source packages: partman-auto 93ubuntu2.
[17:30] <CIA-88> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4448 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.5
[17:33] <bdmurray> Is there an issue with preseeding and debian-installer?
[17:34] <bdmurray> My install seems to be hung at reading all physical volumes
[17:35] <bdmurray> or taking a very long time
[19:42] <cjwatson> ev: could you go through and triage the ubiquity problems on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report?
[19:43] <cjwatson> (and fix them if they're easy :-) )
[19:43] <cjwatson> no desperate rush but I don't want them forgotten about
[19:50] <CIA-88> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4449 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control): Recommend btrfs-tools (LP: #674805).
[20:01] <CIA-88> grub-installer: cjwatson * r877 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[20:01] <CIA-88> grub-installer: Ignore words not beginning with "/dev/" in 'mdadm --detail' output
[20:01] <CIA-88> grub-installer: (LP: #680751).


[10:17] <cydd_> hi
[10:33] <darkxst> cydd_, hi
[10:33] <darkxst> !ask
[10:35] <cydd_> need help with permissions trying to execute file but no option to
[10:36] <darkxst> cydd_, what file?
[10:36] <cydd_> a jar file
[10:36] <darkxst> chmod +x <file> ?
[10:36]  * darkxst runs from java!
[10:39] <cydd_> in properties under permissions tab excute  file option not there ?
[10:40] <darkxst> cydd_, use the terminal
[10:41] <cydd_> ok
[10:51] <cydd_> ok how?
[10:53] <darkxst> cydd_, <darkxst> chmod +x <file> ?
[11:12] <cydd_> keeps saying no such file or directory
[11:14] <mgedmin> making a jar file executable won't help anything (I just tried)
[11:14] <mgedmin> you need to run it with 'java -jar ...'
[11:29] <JockeTF> I can run executable jar files with Nautilus just fine.
[11:29] <JockeTF> cydd_: If it says "no such file or directory" for chmod you need to switch directory to where the jar file is located.
[11:30] <cydd_> ok
[11:30] <JockeTF> Then run the command again. :)
[11:32] <JockeTF> cydd_: Running "java -jar myfile.jar" should also work when you've changed directory.
[11:35] <JockeTF> But after running chmod you may be able to run it by double clicking on it or right clicking and "open with (-->) Java Runtime".
[11:36] <mgedmin> oh, interesting!  I didn't know that nautilus checks for the execute bit before launching jars with the jre
[11:36] <mgedmin> (I tried ./foo.jar from shell and got an error, even after enabling the execute bit)
[11:38] <JockeTF> mgedmin: Yeah, you get a little dialog if it's not +x.
[16:20] <octoquad> darkxst, I haven't forgotten about the evolution task, will look at it as soon as I can.
[16:20]  * octoquad is like HexChat better than XChat
[16:20] <octoquad> *liking tsk tsk


[00:00] <holstein> david__: what i said was, it depends on what you are doing
[00:01] <holstein> lets say for example
[00:01] <holstein> you lay down guitar
[00:01] <holstein> then, you overdub vocal on it
[00:01] <holstein> and you have 60ms latency
[00:01] <holstein> aroudr *should* compensate when you are overdubbing and line everything up
[00:01] <holstein> ardour*
[00:01] <david__> Got it.
[00:01] <holstein> you can and should test for that
[00:02] <holstein> *IF* you have a keyboard
[00:02] <david__> I do
[00:02] <holstein> some USB keyboard, or midi controller
[00:02] <holstein> you hit the key
[00:02] <holstein> 60ms later the sound comes you
[00:02] <holstein> thats not going to be acceptable
[00:02] <holstein> but, niether is 20ms
[00:02] <holstein> if you have an internal sound card, you really cant expect much out of it
[00:11] <david__> Thank you holstein. I saved a copy of this chat so I can refer back to it.
[00:11] <holstein> david__: :)
[00:12] <holstein> JACK is *not* trivial to get running
[00:12] <david__> I might check on abgogani's ppa in the future (maybe next weekend)
[00:12] <holstein> but, its quite versitile
[00:12] <david__> (and see what I can get out of the internal sound card)
[00:16] <holstein> well, its not so much what you get out of it, its what folks potentially put into the machine through them
[00:16] <holstein> but, if you are working with MIDI, you'll be ahead of the curve in that regard
[00:18] <david__> Any experience with recovering corrupted Ardour projects?
[00:18] <david__> (It's not going well)
[00:21] <holstein> david__: sure
[00:21] <holstein> the audio should just be there
[00:21] <holstein> the fles
[00:21] <holstein> files*
[00:21] <holstein> otherwise, ask around #ardour
[00:22] <david__> Okay I'm looking through the files (It looks hopeful)
[00:22] <david__> But I can't hear them in Audacious
[00:23] <david__> (The meter bars are jumping)
[00:23] <holstein> i have no idea how your sound is set up
[00:23] <holstein> try a player you are familiar with
[00:23] <holstein> install audacity and import
[00:24] <holstein> ues VLC
[00:24] <holstein> use*
[00:24] <david__> Sound was working with Rosegarden and MIDI keyboard
[00:24] <holstein> david__: cool
[00:24] <holstein> dont live in the past though
[00:24] <holstein> you'll need to actually troubleshoot whats going on there
[00:24] <holstein> my first suggestion is to try anther player
[00:24] <david__> I would need to install all the programs you mentioned
[00:24] <holstein> VLC
[00:25] <holstein> sudo apt-get install vlc
[00:27] <david__> I installed VLC
[00:27] <david__> Same issue with sound
[00:27] <david__> (no sound)
[00:31] <david__> Thanks for your help, got to go eat.
[01:33] <david__> Is there a troubleshooting guide to get audio playback on Ubuntu Studio?
[01:33] <david__> I'm not seeing anything on
[01:33] <david__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[01:33] <david__> Ardour playback works, but not VLC or Audacious
[01:34] <holstein> david__: its complicated
[01:34] <holstein> theres a general audio one, and that works
[01:35] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:35] <holstein> david__: could be that VLC/audacious are expecting JACK
[01:36] <david__> I've tried with and without JACK running
[01:36] <holstein> could be that when you started ardour, JACK stared, and VLC/Audacious are expecting pulse
[01:36] <holstein> could be that JACK is still running somewhere in the background
[01:37] <david__> I stopped and quit JACK but still the same
[01:37] <david__> (I used QJackCtrl
[01:40] <holstein> david__: it could still be running in the background
[01:40] <holstein> you can run top and look
[01:40] <holstein> you can restart to be sure
[01:40] <holstein> you can just try sudo killall jackd
[01:41] <holstein> david__: audacious has JACK output
[01:41] <holstein> you can check in it, and see
[01:41] <holstein> you should be able to tell it to use JACK while you have the file playing in ardour or whatever
[01:43] <david__> I just tried sudo killall jackd
[01:43] <david__> It said "jackd: no process found"
[01:44] <holstein> i think its called something else now
[01:44] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run top
[01:44] <david__> I've not used top before
[01:44] <holstein> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/show-all-running-processes-in-linux/
[01:44] <david__> I don't really undersand it
[01:44] <holstein> right
[01:45] <holstein> you can always just restart to be cure
[01:45] <holstein> sure*
[01:45] <holstein> then, JACK is not running
[01:45] <holstein> you can start simple
[01:45] <holstein> start with audacity
[01:45] <holstein> start with VLC
[01:45] <david__> will do.
[01:45] <david__> I'll download and install audacity first
[01:45] <holstein> sudo apt-get install audacity
[01:45] <holstein> its in the repos
[01:46] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians too
[01:55] <david__> holstein: After I restart it reloads all the programs I was using from before, so I'm not sure it is a good way of zapping JACK (If indeed it is still running)
[01:56] <holstein> it?
[01:56] <david__> I presume Xfce did it.
[01:56] <holstein> if you are using XFCE, and you choose to 'save session' at the end, thats what you get
[01:57] <holstein> the session saved and relaunched
[01:57] <holstein> that'll take some getting used to when i suggest restarting ;)
[01:57] <holstein> read that link though, and just see if jack is running or not
[01:57] <holstein> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/show-all-running-processes-in-linux/
[02:01] <david__> I actually had the "save session" unchecked the second time and but it still restarted everything, but no matter I am looking through the ps | less list
[02:03] <david__> It's a long list, but I don't see anything called JACK
[02:05] <holstein> i wouldnt expect to sort it out in one night
[02:05] <holstein> JACK is *not* trivial
[02:06] <holstein> also, there might be codecs you need to play an mp3 for example
[02:06] <david__> Just WAV
[02:07] <david__> (plus I assume VLC can play anything on Linux like it can on Windows )
[02:07] <holstein> david__: did i say assume nothing?
[02:07] <holstein> maybe that was someone else...
[02:07] <holstein> anwyays, whats the problem?
[02:07] <holstein> you cant get anything but ardour to play the .wavs from a broken session?
[02:08] <holstein> have you tried other audio?
[02:08] <holstein> something in the browser?
[02:08] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg should play in the browser
[02:10] <david__> No luck with the browser (firefox 8)
[02:10] <holstein> david__: what works?
[02:10] <holstein> and what doesnt?
[02:10] <holstein> now you have no audio at all?
[02:10] <david__> Ardour playback works
[02:11] <holstein> OK
[02:11] <holstein> thats JACK
[02:11] <holstein> perdiod
[02:11] <holstein> ardour uses JACK
[02:11] <holstein> so, JACK is running
[02:11] <holstein> and pulse is suspended then
[02:11] <david__> MIDI keyboard through Rosegarden
[02:11] <david__> That was before I restarted
[02:11] <holstein> so, *nothing* will play except in JACK right now
[02:11] <holstein> david__: ?
[02:11] <holstein> what about now?
[02:11] <holstein> right now
[02:11] <holstein> this minute
[02:11] <david__> Sorry
[02:12] <david__> Let me try ardour again
[02:12] <david__> (Is that what I should do?)
[02:12] <holstein> david__: sounds like a plan
[02:15] <david__> Ardour (without starting JACK first) does not playback
[02:15] <david__> But it does record
[02:16] <david__> Audacity same thing (records, but no playback)
[02:16] <holstein> i would go as far as suggesting to you to make a new user account, log in there, *dont* start JACK, and mess with the audio
[02:16] <holstein> just normal stuff
[02:16] <holstein> playing files
[02:16] <holstein> make sure the sound works at all
[02:18] <david__> I'll try, see you on the other side :)
[02:24] <guest-UGFWFC> holstein this is is david__ again
[02:24] <guest-UGFWFC> no luck with the new accound
[02:24] <guest-UGFWFC> *account
[02:24] <holstein> in what way?
[02:24] <holstein> no sound?
[02:24] <guest-UGFWFC> no sound
[02:24] <holstein> maybe you have no sound
[02:24] <holstein> maybe you have something muted
[02:24] <holstein> maybe its something in alsamixer that JACK bypasses
[02:26] <guest-UGFWFC> The system volume is max and the VLC volume is 100%
[02:26] <guest-UGFWFC> How do I view the alsamixer?
[02:26] <holstein> guest-UGFWFC: also, install pavucontrol
[02:26] <holstein> i find it helpful
[02:26] <holstein> guest-UGFWFC: you can open a terminal, and run..
[02:27] <holstein> alsamixer
[02:27] <holstein> and/or
[02:27] <holstein> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[02:29] <guest-UGFWFC> It looks like I can't sudo from this user account
[02:29] <holstein> guest-UGFWFC: control+alt+F7 will get you back where you are
[02:29] <guest-UGFWFC> AlsaMixer shows Master 100, Headphon 100, Speaker 71
[02:29] <holstein> you can do control+alt+F1
[02:29] <holstein> and you can sudo install, or sudo add yourself to the sudoers
[02:30] <holstein> OR, you can just go back, since we kind of know what it is now
[02:30] <holstein> guest-UGFWFC: dont trust any of those labels
[02:30] <holstein> i would go back to the other account
[02:30] <holstein> install pavucontrol
[02:30] <holstein> and see if you can sort it out from there
[02:42] <david__> Is there an UbuntuStudio equivalent to: "Go to System > Preferences > Sound ("Multimedia Systems Selector" in earlier editions of Ubuntu)
[02:43] <david__> (I'm working through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems )
[02:45] <david__> @holstein: sorry I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1 and wasn't able to get back to the desktop, so I had to switch the computer off and start over
[02:57] <holstein> david__: its the same
[02:57] <holstein> its just not gnome2 anymore
[02:57] <holstein> david__: control+alt+F7 returns
[02:57] <holstein> you can sudo reboot from there if needed
[02:57] <holstein> try install pavucontrol
[02:58] <holstein> that is similar to multimedia system selector
[03:03] <david__> I ran pavucontrol (turns out it was already installed)
[03:03] <david__> Everything is at 100%
[03:04] <holstein> ok
[03:04] <holstein> david__: so, open a terminal
[03:04] <holstein> run this
[03:04] <holstein> aplay -l
[03:05] <holstein> when you see output about your card, then you know you *should* be getting sound
[03:05] <holstein> if you dont, then, your card is not being recognized by alsa or something trickier
[03:05] <holstein> if you see if listed there as a playback option, then you know its something fiddly like what i am talking about
[03:05] <david__> Yes it lists information
[03:05] <holstein> david__: you can also just install main normal ubuntu
[03:06] <holstein> if that is what you are comfortable with
[03:06] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio = xubuntu etc...
[03:06] <holstein> there are just some pre-configured packages that you might be more used to in normal buntu
[03:06] <david__> I was using Ubuntu last week but I broke it (ardour stopped working on Ubuntu main)
[03:07] <holstein> david__: OK
[03:07] <holstein> that sounds related to me, no?
[03:07] <holstein> maybe your sound card is dying?
[03:07] <david__> gosh, I hope not
[03:07] <david__> Windows is fine
[03:07] <holstein> either way, i personally would disable it in the bios and get something more appropriate
[03:07] <holstein> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx
[03:08] <holstein> ^^ thats like 20 bucks US
[03:08] <holstein> less hassle
[03:08] <holstein> better latency
[03:08] <holstein> cleaner signal
[03:08] <holstein> anyways...
[03:08] <holstein> that all sound related to me.. maybe its something with the latest kernel and your hardware
[03:08] <holstein> david__: have you checked for, and applied all upgrades?
[03:09] <david__> Yes, I applied all updates
[03:09] <holstein> david__: im not kicking you out of here, but...
[03:09] <david__> does the "U-control" support MIDI?
[03:09] <holstein> you can also try #ubuntu, #ubuntu-beginners
[03:09] <holstein> #xubuntu
[03:09] <david__> understood
[03:09] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians
[03:09] <holstein> this is really *not* ubuntustudio specific
[03:09] <holstein> you can cast a wider net in the #xubuntu pool
[03:10] <holstein> or general buntu channels
[03:10] <david__> Except I'm using a fresh install of UbuntuStudio
[03:10] <holstein> but, if i want an audio rig, i *never* use the internal card
[03:10] <holstein> david__: yeay
[03:10] <holstein> with upgrades applied
[03:10] <holstein> ubuntustudio = ubuntu
[03:10] <holstein> same kernel
[03:10] <holstein> same alsa versions
[03:10] <holstein> same pulse
[03:10] <holstein> if you applied an upgrade that broke soething ubuntu main ubuntu
[03:11] <holstein> that same thing will happen with ubuntustudio
[03:11] <holstein> or ubuntu
[03:11] <holstein> or xubuntu
[03:11] <holstein> whatever...
[03:12] <david__> Sound worked on Ubuntu main just Ardour was broken
[03:12] <david__> (after a few days)
[03:12] <david__> use)
[03:13] <holstein> yeah, and that makes no sense
[03:13] <holstein> you use JACK for a few days, and break it?
[03:13] <holstein> how?
[03:13] <holstein> what did you do?
[03:13] <holstein> why did you leave it?
[03:14] <holstein> whatever is going on, you have some trouble shooting to do
[03:18] <david__> It stopped working during normal use (switching between Rosegarden and Ardour). After troubleshooting for a while I hoped a fresh install would help, but I ended up with different problems.
[03:18] <holstein> yup
[03:18] <holstein> its a drag
[03:18] <holstein> david__: i think you should get the LTS
[04:01] <dbolton> holstein: I was able to get Ardour working on the regular Ubuntu (it was still installed on a separate partition)
[04:02] <dbolton> It was some corrupt Ardour files causing a problem


[01:22] <holstein> lol.. i always think, doing an upgrade is difficult
[02:36] <JohnTalent> well?
[02:37] <holstein> JohnTalent: ?
[02:38] <JohnTalent> holstein: hi
[04:37] <zequence> JohnTalent: An upgrade will need a lot of bandwidth, while if you bring an installer with you, the installation process will not need as much bandwidth.
[04:38] <zequence> Just make sure to back up your stuff before. The data should be safe. Usually (in my experience), what can go wrong is you get corrupted user settings. This is fairly eay to fix
[04:50] <zequence> There may however be some sort of problem with newer drivers
[04:51] <zequence> But, not likely
[05:02] <JohnTalent> well?
[05:15] <zequence> JohnTalent: Did you read the backlog?
[05:27] <JohnTalent> zequence: stardate 49.3.2 I've just come out of orbit over Rigel 3. <--this captain's log?
[05:29] <cfhowlett> !ot | JohnTalent, this is ubuntustudio support.  stay on topic or go elsewhere please.
[05:36] <JohnTalent> ubottu: At your command my liege!
[05:37] <JohnTalent> ubottu: I could've told your master the same thing! :)
[16:26] <SirRiffsAlot> Hey people. I'm considering going for UbuntuStudio 14.04, any downsides? Any use in keeping with 12.04?