[02:10] <attente> dobey: hey, sorry about that, i have about 40 of them
[02:10] <attente> one for each session that i assume crashed
[04:42] <Ramsrambo> I am running Quantal 12.10 I need libcstdc++ lib for installing lotus Symphony where do I get this from?
[06:00] <boydoy> hi!
[06:01] <boydoy> i just want to ask how can update my driver on ubuntu?
[06:19] <didrocks> good morning
[06:26] <cyphermox> good morning didrocks!
[06:26] <didrocks> hey cyphermox! shouldn't you be in bed? :)
[06:27] <cyphermox> I should, yeah
[06:27] <didrocks> ;)
[06:40] <pitti> Good morning
[06:41] <didrocks> hey pitti
[06:41] <didrocks> how are you?
[06:42] <pitti> didrocks: quite fine, thank you! how about yourself?
[06:42] <didrocks> pitti: I'm good, thanks! :)
[08:20] <jibel> good morning
[08:22] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va?
[08:23] <jibel> salut didrocks , très bien et toi ?
[08:26] <didrocks> jibel: ça va bien bien :-)
[08:53] <popey> Anyone else get an "Ubuntu core installer" dialog appear on screen when they plug a Nexus 7 device into a machine running Raring?
[09:04] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:08] <Laney> morning
[09:09] <Laney> popey: yeah
[09:09] <Laney> I think that might be the thing xnox worked on but I didn't look into it
[09:11] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[09:11] <didrocks> hey Laney, seb128
[09:11] <Laney> seb128: pretty good thank you
[09:11] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:11] <Laney> how are you both?
[09:12] <seb128> didrocks, lut
[09:12] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:13] <popey> Laney: well.. I'm getting it before I login.. which is somewhat alarming
[09:13] <popey> I am able to browse the filesystem before login
[09:23] <Laney> popey: I can't make it come up
[09:23] <Laney> maybe you need an android n7?
[09:24] <popey> yes, mine is android
[09:25] <Laney> nothing doing
[09:25] <Laney> perhaps you could investigate and find out what process is responsible?
[09:26] <popey> trying to make it come up again
[09:26] <Laney> i defintiely saw it once but just dismissed it
[09:27]  * popey reboots
[09:27] <Laney> seems hard to get it when you want it ...
[09:27]  * Laney coughs
[09:27] <popey> story of my life
[09:27] <popey> ahem
[09:36] <xnox> popey: =)))) that's my doing it's "usb-creator" in disguise & it can reflash nexus7 images from cdimage.ubuntu.com ;-)
[09:37] <xnox> popey: i hope it pops up only when you are in fastboot mode.....
[09:37] <xnox> (the power button down & lower volume down boot mode)
[09:37] <xnox> if it also pops up at other times it's a bug =(
[09:40] <Laney> xnox: i'm not even getting it to appear then
[09:40] <Laney> but the original report was about how it popped up over the login screen
[09:40] <xnox> Laney: can you paste lsusb when it doesn't appear.
[09:41] <xnox> Laney: ah, that can happen. I didn't think about it being plugged in at login screen....
[09:41] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1615858/
[09:41] <Laney> fastboot devices shows it
[09:41] <xnox> hmmm... i should skip login screen.
[09:42] <popey> xnox: it pops up randomly
[09:42] <popey> i.e. not when my device is in fastboot/debug/whatever mode, and also during login screen
[09:42] <xnox> =(
[09:43] <popey> so what should I file bugs against?
[09:43] <xnox> popey: yes please, against usb-creator
[09:43] <popey> ok
[09:43] <popey> usb-creator-gtk ?
[09:47] <xnox> yeap.
[09:51] <Laney> i only see stop/pre-start entries in /v/l/upstart/u-c-g.log*
[09:53] <xnox> Laney: can you test / try http://paste.ubuntu.com/1615884/
[09:54] <xnox> (that's what i was hoping to include in the next upload)
[09:54] <xnox> but now I need != root check (to filter login screen) and fastboot cmd line check (make sure it's in debug mode)
[09:55] <Laney> oho, I was looking in the package
[09:55] <Laney> s/package/rpo
[09:55] <Laney> repo
[09:55] <Laney> didn't notice that the one on my system was different
[09:56] <popey> ok, xnox bug 1117165 and bug 1117167
[09:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1117165 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Core Installer pops up over login screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1117165
[09:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1117167 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu core installer pops up randomly when not desired" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1117167
[09:56] <xnox> popey: thanks.
[09:57] <Laney> xnox: do I have to reboot / restart something to get upstart to notice that I changed that?
[09:58] <xnox> Laney: magic inotify should do it's thing. Or you can force reload with $ sudo initctl reload-configuration
[09:59] <Laney> aha
[09:59] <Laney> yeah it comes up now
[09:59] <xnox> \o/
[09:59] <xnox> awesome.
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/14/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> perhaps it should check to make sure that the source version == installed package version
[10:40] <xnox> chrisccoulson: yeah, i never got that bit of adt testing where adt tests are in the source package instead of binary.... oh well.
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> xnox, well, my tests are in the binary. the only thing in the source is a tiny shell script to start it :)
[10:41] <xnox> ah, than it's easier =)
[11:18] <chrisccoulson> bah,
[11:18] <chrisccoulson> 216753 ERROR TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /tests/dom/devicestorage/ipc/test_ipc.html | Test timed out.
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm starting to wish i'd never started this :P
[11:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: if you need distraction, you can start looking at the thunderbird hang :)
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I heard that quite some people got it at last client sprint
[11:26] <didrocks> not that funny though :/
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> really? :(
[11:26] <didrocks> yep
[11:27] <didrocks> people with fast cpu and ssd, the only common pattern I found
[11:27] <didrocks> gmail doesn't seem to be the cause, some people just have their canonical account
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> ok, the test hang was actually my fault ;)
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1535
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> :)
[12:12] <berdario> seb128: Hi, I'm trying to track down a bug (more like 3 or 4 bugs together), to at least get a workaround working
[12:12] <berdario> one of the workaround would involve xmodmap, but I've just seen your comment in a bug that says, "xmodmap support has been dropped in GNOME3 which deprecate that bug report, closing it"
[12:14] <berdario> seb128: this seems weird to me, given that there's still plenty of code in ubuntu that deals with it... is it deprecated everywhere?
[12:38] <berdario> I'll reboot
[12:39] <seb128> berdario, hey, what bug?
[12:39] <berdario> seb128: hi, long story or short story? (short story is, I might be affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/289781 )
[12:39] <seb128> berdario, xmodmap makes it sounds like old school weird geeky usecase ;-)
[12:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 289781 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Intrepid: Xmodmap needs to be run again after resume from hibernate/suspend" [Wishlist,Invalid]
[12:40] <berdario> seb128: actually, is just non-US user
[12:40] <seb128> berdario, you can keep it short, I've no interested or knowledge in weirdo keyboard tweaks
[12:40] <berdario> seb128: that's not what I meant
[12:40] <seb128> berdario, I'm french using an azerty, no need to deal with xmodmap
[12:40] <berdario> seb128: do you have an old macbook? :)
[12:40] <seb128> so !US is an overstatement
[12:41] <seb128> no, but you say "non-US user" not "non-US old macbook users"
[12:41] <seb128> ;-)
[12:41] <berdario> I agree, !US & old macbook users
[12:41] <seb128> well anyway, what's the issue?
[12:42] <berdario> kernel, hid_apple, xmodmap, lightdm, evdev
[12:42] <berdario> (and gnome, obviously, since they don't support some old options people were relying upon)
[12:42] <berdario> some things go wrong in some (all?) of these places
[12:43] <berdario> the result, is that on each bootup (and after each suspend/resume cycle) some keys are swapped
[12:44] <berdario> tipically, the keys are the one on the right of the left shift (< and > in my case) and on the top of the TAB (\ and | in my case)
[12:44] <berdario> so, I have to manually run xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap after each resume
[12:45] <berdario> eventually, after a few months, I get fed up about doing it, and look if a solution popped up
[12:46] <seb128> berdario, isn't that a keyboard layout issue? maybe a new one is needed for that specific model?
[12:46] <berdario> to elaborate on it, it seems that the bug in the kernel is here:
[12:46] <berdario> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=commitdiff;h=efb3031b446d441dca5b10619503ac0bba7f9748
[12:48] <berdario> I haven't look at all the code, but basically... for the new keyboard they activate an ISO mode
[12:48] <berdario> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/214786
[12:48] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 214786 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) "Apple USB ISO keyboard has incorrectly swapped keys" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:48] <berdario> so, people with the old keyboard have to workaround this bug
[12:48] <berdario> then, there're these instructions:
[12:48] <berdario> http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/PageFragmentKeyboard
[12:49] <berdario> that rely on hid_apple functionality
[12:49] <berdario> (I have the module loaded, but these fixes don't work... I tried all of them)
[12:49] <berdario> so, failing the proper way to fix the problem... I started to look again into xmodmap
[12:52] <berdario> there're multiple people affected by this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/79989/xmodmap-is-not-working-properly-on-resume
[12:52] <berdario> and I also subscribed to this bug
[12:52] <berdario> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1072120
[12:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1072120 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "~/.Xmodmap not read on login" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:52] <berdario> people were thinking that lightdm was not loading .Xmodmap
[12:53] <seb128> yeah, it's likely that lightdm doesn't
[12:53] <seb128> .Xmodmap seems like an old school unix thing that no normal user should have to go through
[12:53] <berdario> but right now I don't think that's the problem: I think that after lightdm-session is run, something else (another part of lightdm, maybe) is resetting the layout
[12:53] <seb128> e.g if we have issues we should fix them in a way that don't require those hacks
[12:53] <berdario> seb128: I agree, I'd be happy to avoid to use it
[12:55] <berdario> as I said: kernel, hid_apple, etc.etc. it seems all these parts of the system have some problems that make it behave in a way that's not expected
[12:55] <berdario> and this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/289781/comments/4
[12:55] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 289781 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Intrepid: Xmodmap needs to be run again after resume from hibernate/suspend" [Wishlist,Invalid]
[12:56] <berdario> says: "The change is due to the switch to evdev, after the suspend/resume the keyboard is viewed as a new keyboard."
[12:57] <berdario> I haven't looked at it into detail, yet... but if that's true... that seems quite bad on its own (it would ruin all the customizations that people do on their human interface devices, after suspend/resume)
[12:59] <berdario> I think that (aside from the evdev issue?) the cleanest thing would be to gather the usb identifiers for the old-macbook (and similar devices) that require a non-ISO layout (whatever that means: I'm just thinking about the ISO fix)
[12:59] <berdario> and then to automatically activate a different layout in those cases
[13:02] <berdario> uhm, I realized just now that probably this is what is already happening
[13:02] <berdario> but the usb identifiers aren't correctly told by the device
[13:02] <berdario> that is, I have a 05ac:022a
[13:03] <berdario> and this line would be defining my keyboard model
[13:03] <berdario> #define USB_DEVICE_ID_APPLE_GEYSER4_HF_ISO     0x022a
[13:04] <berdario> so, the next best thing would be to fix whatever is making hid_apple refuse to apply the configuration I supplied it to
[13:05] <berdario> seb128: do you have any suggestion for help on how to debug a kernel module?
[13:05] <seb128> (sorry, I'm on the phone)
[13:06] <berdario> (I guess I would have to recompile it with debug symbols)
[13:08] <berdario> but probably I cannot simply debug it while using the system... I'd have to connect a gdb from somewhere else (and besides: I used gdb only 1 or 2 times before... )
[13:13] <ogra_> berdario, thats what i use here to apply xmodmap settings (for a mouse where gnome doesnt offer the settings i need) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1616561/
[13:13] <berdario> ogra_: does that still work after suspend/resume?
[13:14] <ogra_> dunno, i never suspend my desktop :)
[13:14] <berdario> ogra_: ok, that probably doesn't help me... thanks anyhow :)
[13:16] <seb128> berdario, I think g-s-d has some hooks that can be run after suspend
[13:18] <berdario> seb128: uhm, googling "gnome-settings-daemon resume -crash" doesn't digs up anything interesting... should I look into Dconf?
[13:20] <seb128> berdario, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/data/org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.gschema.xml.in.in
[13:20] <seb128>     <key name="hotplug-command" type="s">
[13:20] <seb128>       <_summary>Device hotplug custom command</_summary>
[13:20] <seb128>       <_description>Command to be run when a device is added or removed. An exit value of 1 means that the device will not be handled further by gnome-settings-daemon.</_description>
[13:20] <seb128>
[13:20] <seb128> berdario, that one
[13:21] <seb128> berdario, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=2ec0fbd38cd9d787fc3ad003f462c537ea795890
[13:26] <seb128> hum
[13:26] <seb128> berdario, did you get my comments?
[13:27] <berdario> seb128: ok, thanks... I'll create a simple script and see if that works
[13:28] <seb128> berdario, did you get the git commit url as well?
[13:28] <berdario> yes, both of them
[13:28] <seb128> ok ;-)
[14:11] <berdario> I had to look up some other things in the meanwhile, but it seems to work :)
[14:12] <berdario> but to be really sure, now I'll undo the changes, reboot and see that this is indeed what fixes the problem
[14:21] <berdario> no, I was wrong :/
[14:22] <berdario> seb128: I don't know why... but my script seems to be called only with id 11 and 14, id11 is the touchpad, id14 is not even present in the xinput output O_o
[14:23] <berdario> (and the keyboard is either 10 or 12)
[14:33] <berdario> xinput --reattach 10 3 (3 is the master) doesn't trigger the command :/
[15:10] <desrt> has anyone installed the raring daily on their N7 recently?
[15:11] <desrt> install goes nicely but then i boot to a console login: prompt and that's it
[15:11] <Laney> I did last week
[15:13] <larsu> desrt, ask attente, he had the same problem yesterday
[15:14] <desrt> attente: how did you fix it?
[15:14] <attente> desrt: i didn't fix it
[15:15] <desrt> nice!
[15:15]  * larsu smells sarcasm
[15:18] <attente> has anyone the problem where the unity-greeter repeatedly restarts a dozen or so times due to X crashing?
[15:20] <berdario> I downloaded the source of gnome-settings-daemon, and grepper for run_custom_command and then for device_added_cb, everything seems fine... probably it's just that the signal doesn't get generated
[15:20] <attente> larsu: hi!
[15:20] <berdario> I also tried xinput --disable followed by --enable, but that's not working
[15:21] <berdario> I don't get why after resume, only some input devices are being added again, (while the rest seem to simply stay connected)
[15:26] <seb128> ogra_, ^ is the current raring image known to have issues on the nexus?
[15:27] <ogra_> seb128, not beyond the known issues with the installer
[15:28] <ogra_> seb128, i havent dist-upgraded today yet ... doing now
[15:28] <seb128> attente, is your greeter/xorg issue on the nexus?
[15:28] <seb128> ogra_, well, attente and desrt tried new installs and it boots to a console prompt it seems
[15:28] <ogra_> we have a serial console on the USB port, you can just use screen to log in from a PC for debugging
[15:29] <attente> seb128: the greeter/x problem is on my work machine
[15:30] <attente> it randomly kicks me back to the greeter at its own desire
[15:30] <attente> :(
[15:31] <attente> i did find this bt in one of the Xorg logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1614928/
[15:31] <attente> it's not helpful though
[15:32] <seb128> tjaalton, bryce: ^ known recent breakaged in -intel?
[15:33] <mlankhorst> nothing else in that file? sounds like you're missing some info there..
[15:33] <attente> mlankhorst: i can paste the whole thing, but it didn't look useful at first glance
[15:35] <berdario> Ok, I realized now that I don't have the evdev module loaded, apparently keyboard and such are being handled by something else, possibly usbhid
[15:35] <berdario> but trying to rmmod and modprobe usbhid, doesn't trigger the signal
[15:35] <seb128> berdario, try asking on #control-center or #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.org
[15:36] <berdario> seb128: I spent quite a lot of time trying to understand what is going wrong... now I'll update one of the bugs, but do you have other suggestions?
[15:36] <berdario> I already asked in #gnome-hackers
[15:36] <berdario> (no answer so far)
[15:36] <attente> mlankhorst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1616927/
[15:36] <seb128> berdario, no idea, I've little clue about keyboards tweaks and about this g-s-d feature
[15:37] <berdario> seb128: ok, do you think it might be easier to find a workaround in another place rather than g-s-d?
[15:37] <berdario> (like, trying to get a clue of why hid_apple isn't working as I expect it to do?)
[15:38] <seb128> no idea no...
[15:38] <tjaalton> seb128: haven't seen that before
[15:38] <berdario> ok, thanks anyhow
[15:39] <seb128> yw!
[15:39] <mlankhorst> attente: well are you on edgers?
[15:39] <ogra_> desrt,  see above, if you want to debug, use the serial connection
[15:39] <tjaalton> running an ancient kernel if on raring..
[15:44] <desrt> ogra_: thanks
[15:45] <ogra_> screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200
[15:46] <ogra_> (might need to hit enter once to make the login show up)
[15:46] <ogra_> (and ignore the noise from NM (or set up usbnet)
[15:47]  * ogra_ reboots after dist-upgrade
[15:47] <ogra_> lets see if i can reproduce on an upgraded install
[15:48] <ogra_> nope, works fine here
[15:48] <attente> mlankhorst: canonical-qt5-edgers
[15:48] <tjaalton> attente: why are you running the quantal kernel on it?
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel. did you have any luck making autopkgtest work with junit output? sorry to keep bugging you about it :)
[15:49] <attente> tjaalton: good question.. purging
[15:50] <tjaalton> attente: then you'll just run something older.. make sure you have linux-generic installed
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> and any idea what's happening to https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/15/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/? it looks like the test is using the latest source with an outdated package (the test is passing arguments that are only valid in the most recent upload)
[15:50] <mlankhorst> attente: if I were you I would just try xorg in valgrind if it's not too big a performance hit, and install xserver.*-dbg
[15:50] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hey, not yet, still on my list, libreoffice hangs during build was higher sorry :)
[15:51] <chrisccoulson> jibel, no worry, that's fine :)
[15:51] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:51] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hm, looking at the failure
[15:55] <desrt> ogra_: so i don't have any ttyACMs
[15:55] <Laney> Riddell: hey, could you stop kubuntu-active depending on ls-kde please?
[15:57] <desrt> ...and now that i rebooted to try to get a ttyACM (which i now have) i'm stuck at the (initramfs) prompt and there's nothing happening inside of my screen :/
[15:57] <desrt> ogra_: i wonder if there is a last-known-good image with a working installer?
[15:58] <ogra_> desrt, well, theoretically it should just work
[15:58] <ogra_> i havent heard about any issues until you came
[15:58] <desrt> ogra_: so the installer on the current daily images is broken
[15:58] <ogra_> how ?
[15:58] <desrt> during the 'installing root fs...' you see some message like 'tar: skipping to next header'
[15:59] <desrt> and then when that finishes you get a console login: prompt
[15:59] <ogra_> crap
[15:59] <ogra_> thats xnox' change of the untar command i think
[15:59] <desrt> then when you reboot you get "error: no tarnall found on /dev/mmcblk0p9, did you use the right rootfs.img?" and then you see an (initramfs) prompt
[15:59] <ogra_> xnox, did you actually test that change in production ?
[15:59] <xnox> yeah. but i hacked up a build locally.
[16:00] <ogra_> desrt, yeah, we dropped -m from the untarring
[16:00] <ogra_> which causes timestamp issues
[16:00] <ogra_> which in turn probably causes corrupt unpacking
[16:00]  * ogra_ will have to research that
[16:01] <ogra_> xnox, i guess we might want to set the closk to $image_build_time or something like that
[16:01] <desrt> you should definitely try to fix that before the desktop team sprint :)
[16:01] <ogra_> when is that ?
[16:01] <desrt> not next week, but the one after
[16:01] <ogra_> pfft
[16:01] <desrt> i mean
[16:01] <ogra_> we'll have it fixed before the weekend
[16:01] <desrt> uh...
[16:01] <desrt> 'tomorrow'
[16:02] <ogra_> worst case we can just roll back as interim solution, dont panic ;)
[16:02] <desrt> i'm not :)
[16:02]  * desrt has much other work to be doing in the meantime
[16:02] <xnox> ogra_: i'll reflash using cdimage images after the meeting and check what's going on.
[16:04] <seb128> xnox, btw you said you would update glade back in december (iirc), is that still on your todolist?
[16:04] <ogra_> xnox, yeah, well, i think setting the clock to a sane value during the install will fix it (including the warnings) so we should just do that ... the first ifup from NM after instalkl will run ntpdate anyway
[16:04] <seb128> xnox, the new version was supposed to fix edition of button labels or some other bugs you were running into
[16:05] <xnox> seb128: true. I should do that asap. (i stopped doing glade ui work a little now, but will need it soon again)
[16:05] <seb128> xnox, ok, just checking if it's still on your list, thanks ;-)
[16:05] <xnox> ogra_: setting clock to $image_build_time is nice, but I don't understand how come userspace is failing with that.
[16:06] <ogra_> xnox, yeah, me neither, setting the clock would fix cjwatsons initial prob though (i think)
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> right, looking at didrocks tb hang now ;)
[16:08] <didrocks> \o/
[16:08] <didrocks> \o/
[16:08] <didrocks> \o/
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i've still got your pastebin open. it's the longest running tab in my browser ;)
[16:08] <xnox> ogra_: interesting point.
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1336807/
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> 6th november ;)
[16:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: trying to stress test firefox's tab history? :)
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> i'm surprised i've not lost it. normally, session restore breaks at least once during that time when running nightlies, and then you lose all of your tabs
[16:10] <Riddell> Laney: what what?
[16:10] <Laney> hmm?
[16:10] <Riddell> 15:55 < Laney> Riddell: hey, could you stop kubuntu-active depending on ls-kde please
[16:10] <Riddell> Laney: there's no such package
[16:10] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt believes so
[16:11] <Laney> as does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/1.267 and my apt cache ;-)
[16:11] <Riddell> Laney: hmm I'm not seeing it, where are you looking?
[16:11] <Laney> search for 'language-selector' in that
[16:12] <Riddell> oh, language-selector, why didn't you say so :)
[16:12] <Laney> hah, sorry
[16:12] <ogra_> desrt, could you file a bug btw ? so we have a reference
[16:13] <infinity> ogra_: Ahh, kay, yeah, I see the problem.  Just cargo-culting fixrtc's code and using the timestamp on the tarball should do the trick, no?
[16:14] <ogra_> infinity, not sure that helps with what cjwatson wanted to have fixed though
[16:15] <ogra_> but yeah, that would be the "easy fix hack" ...
[16:15] <infinity> ogra_: What Colin needed fixed remains fixed.
[16:15] <ogra_> sure ?
[16:15] <infinity> ogra_: You only unfix his fix if you revert the tar changes.
[16:15] <ogra_> oh, indeed
[16:20] <attente> tjaalton: thanks, you were right about my kernel being out of date
[16:21] <tjaalton> attente: does the new one fix the crash?
[16:21] <attente> yes
[16:21] <tjaalton> nice
[16:21] <attente> :)
[16:40] <ogra_> seb128,  "[ogra] provide the desktop team the current settings package tweaks: TODO" ... is apt-get source ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 enough for you for this WI ?
[16:43] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, the purpose of that WI was to know what to put in ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 ;-)
[16:43] <seb128> ogra_, but you handled that directly, thanks! ;-)
[16:43] <ogra_> great, closing
[17:04]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:10] <seb128> Laney, pitti: do you guys want to handle the new glib update?
[17:12] <Laney> sure
[17:12] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[17:28] <seb128> Laney, oh btw, I checked about the sound recorder if that was important for oems, not so much, we can drop it (would be nice to get one back for the LTS but it's only a nice to have)
[17:29] <Laney> ah cool, well hopefully kazam gets that functionality before then
[17:29] <Laney> i'll note down to drop it
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i think we're going to have to get a take away for dinner this evening
[17:30] <Laney> mmm cod and chips
[17:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, STEEEEAAKKKK
[17:31] <seb128> ;-)
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> i haven't cooked a steak for ages. i'll have to do it soon
[17:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is your fridge empty?
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no, but neither of us feel like cooking this evening :)
[17:31] <seb128> lol
[17:32] <seb128> being lazy for the win ;-)
[17:43] <seb128> xnox, do you know if there is an ubiquity upload planned to raring soon? the current version is almost a month old
[17:44] <xnox> seb128: there are certain things in the works. What specifically are you after?
[17:44] <seb128> xnox, the gstreamer 0.10 to 1.0 port so we can get 0.10 out of the CD
[17:44] <seb128> xnox, we currently have both stack on the CD which is suboptimal
[17:45] <xnox> seb128: ack. will be done soon.
[17:45] <seb128> Laney, did you look again at pidgin/the segfault on video call mentioned on the pad? (if not I will have a look)
[17:45] <seb128> xnox, thanks
[17:45] <xnox> seb128: also see pm.
[17:46] <Laney> seb128: I tried compiling trunk and the segfault exists there (can't remember if that's what I said on the pad)
[17:46] <seb128> xnox, saw it
[17:46] <seb128> Laney, "SEGFAULTS when creating a video call" you said from the ppa version
[17:46] <seb128> Laney, I will give it a try, maybe it doesn't like your config or something ;-)
[17:48] <Laney> seb128: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15499
[17:48] <Laney> I initially suspected my patch was incomplete/wrong as it was a backport of loads of upstream changes
[17:48] <Laney> but head segfaults in the same way so perhaps not
[17:49] <seb128> ok
[17:53] <seb128> Laney, the other option is to drop the account plugins for aim and yahoo from the default install (and telepathy-haze with those)
[17:57] <Laney> seb128: right, but I hope to avoid that if possible
[17:59] <Laney> my hunch is that investigating the difference between the preference widget and regular video calls might turn something up
[18:00] <Laney> i.e. why the former works
[18:03] <Laney> bonne nuit!
[18:09] <seb128> 'night ;-)
[18:34] <jbicha> cyphermox: I think we're missing a gir package for network-manager-applet https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693267
[18:34] <ubot2> Gnome bug 693267 in network-indicator "network: menu missing in 3.7.5 with NM <IP_ADDRESS>5" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[18:51] <cyphermox> jbicha: ok, thanks
[18:51] <cyphermox> jbicha: can you file a bug in LP
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> ooh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=838203
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> "We are moving our linux unittests to ubuntu 12.04 VM machines"
[19:13] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 838203 in Shell Integration "test_alert.html fails on ubuntu 12.04 while testing in a VM" [Normal,New]
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> that helps me a bit ;)
[19:14] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: nice! :P
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, yeah, hopefully that means some of the tests which currently fail will start working without me having to do anything
[20:57] <xnox> Laney: ubiquity uploaded so next daily should have lighter gstreamer stack or something went wrong ;-)
[21:00] <Laney> yeah?
[21:02] <xnox> Laney: seb128 was pinging me about it, but he doesn't have irc proxy.
[21:02] <xnox> seb128: juju deploy znc ;-)
[21:04] <Laney> i thought that got uploaded some time ago
[21:04] <xnox> i was merged into lp:ubiquity, but not uploaded.
[21:04] <Laney> i see
[21:04] <Laney> .
[21:55] <attente> qengho: any plans for migrating chromium from gtk 2 to 3?


[00:04] <minimal> SuperLag: obviously using the "apt:" section is only going to work for apt/deb-based distros like Debian/Ubuntu, likewise using "yum_repos:" is only going to work for RPM-based distros
[13:49] <meena> anyone know what the best strategy is for getting https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/2157 tested? it looks like there's no unit tests for routes in the renderer tests right now, at all
[13:49] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 2157 in canonical/cloud-init "Added / fixed support for static routes on OpenBSD and FreeBSD" [Open]
[14:49] <meena> very naïve patch: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/2168 needs testing (but I've already got a VM with MBR setup)
[14:49] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 2168 in canonical/cloud-init "FreeBSD (and friends): better identify MBR slices" [Open]
[15:28] <holmanb> minimal: thanks for helping threepistons, I see they've left now but I was going to mention that I learned about url/cloud-config-data recently when updating cloud-init docs.
[15:28] <holmanb> minimal: I was also initially under the impression that it was MAAS-only, however I think it's actually a feature that was requested for maas but made more general.
[15:31] <holmanb> It has a handful of shortcomings, which I tried to document better with the changes I made.
[15:31] <holmanb>  The interface feels very much like a bolt-on idea.
[15:31] <holmanb> So does the include file format for that matter.
[15:51] <minimal> holmanb: certainly for nocloud-net the include stuff, if it worked, would seem a bit clunky
[15:52] <holmanb> minimal: agreed
[15:53] <holmanb> but the fact that it does leaves is with a crappy ux - a documented format that works in some cases but not others
[16:08] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4 this should probably be closed now
[16:08] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 4 in canonical/cloud-init "Agree with LaunchPad issue, either update of this repo or kill it" [Open]
[16:08] <falcojr> meena: heh, thanks. Just saw it too and was about to close it
[16:10] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/3 and i don't even know what this is
[16:10] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 3 in canonical/cloud-init "Linux VM fail to read admin_pass to reset the root password" [Open]
[16:10] <falcojr> it's just a very old issue that happened to "disappear" when we closed github issues many years back. We'll triage it accordingly in time
[16:33] <minimal> it seems to refer to a cloudbase-init (Windows cloud-init "clone") specific user-data setting: "admin_pass:"
[17:29] <meena> does Linux have an equivalent to https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/blob/main/libexec/rc/rc.d/growfs ?
[17:30] <meena> I'm thinking of replacing the FreeBSD
[17:30] <meena> cc_growfs Code with `service growfs onestart`
[17:32] <minimal> cc_growfs? you mean cc_growpart or cc_resizefs? ;-)
[17:33] <minimal> for cc_growpart Linux typically uses growpart from cloud-utils
[17:33] <minimal> for cc_resize the program used depends on the particular filesystem, e.g. resize2fs for EXT2/3/4
[17:33] <falcojr> As announced the other week, I'm starting the bug migration from Launchpad to Github Issues today. If you have repo email notifications turned on for either Github or Launchpad, you might want to turn them off..
[17:39] <minimal> falcojr: where's that configured in Launchpad? I don't see it
[17:39] <falcojr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+subscriptions
[17:41] <minimal> thankds
[17:51] <minimal> meena: there is no "standard" daemon for Linux to grow/resize partitions & fs. Also the c-i modules only manipulate the rootfs partition & fs, that FreeBSD daemon also deals with swap partition which c-i handles via cc_disk_setup
[18:08] <meena> I could literally just replace all three of those with a call to service growfs onestart
[18:09] <meena> aaaaand, i think it would probably be quite sensible
[18:10] <minimal> it depends ;-)
[18:10] <minimal> from memory with some cloud providers swap may go elsewhere
[18:10] <minimal> also someone may want a swapfile rather than a swap partition
[18:11] <minimal> and someone may want to control any partition or fs resizing (I added "overprovisioning" support to cloud-utils' growpart some time ago for SSD use)
[18:23] <meena> okay, so, more like, cc_growpart and cc_resizefs then
[18:24] <minimal> meena: my point about overprovisioning, for SSDs I typically want the partition resizing to ensure that a percentage (i.e. 10%) of the device is not partitioned (and so not used) to "help" the lifetime of the SSD
[18:25] <minimal> enterprise SSDs already tend to be overprovisioned, the above helps for consumer SSDs
[18:26] <minimal> I just haven't gotten around to adding the overprovisioning support to cc_growpart yet (the underlying tool has it for some time)
[18:29] <minimal> cc_growpart and cc_resize also need to handle "stacked" filesystems - i.e. fs-on-LVM, or fs-on-LUKS encryption, or fs-on-Software RAID, or fs-on-LVM-on-LUKS-on-Software Raid ;-)
[18:31] <minimal> so with fs-on-LVM you may want cc_growpart to grow the root partition to fill the disk and grow the LVM PV to fill the partition but *not* want cc_resizefs to grow the root LV or the rootfs inside the LV
[22:44] <meena> okay, I've added the pull request, I think I should mark it WIP, cuz I just realized this service only works for the root dev.
[22:44] <meena> (also, I really need to figure out how to make it not do the swap thing, cuz maybe some people like having servers without swap)
[22:45] <meena> it means they also have servers that can't crashdump, but, hey, who am I to judge?
[22:45] <meena> (I am very judgy when it comes to debugging crashed software)
[23:00] <minimal> does this block until the resizing is finished?
[23:12] <meena> yes
[23:13] <minimal> ok


[02:29] <stevieman> I'm trying to setup Mythtv but I am getting an error when saying that it cannot connect to the database. I've setup the mysql user but not the table. I'm trying to connect to <IP_ADDRESS> the same server. I made sure to bind mysqld to the 192 address and not localhost.
[17:42] <houms> I am having issues with capture card. i get cannot open. not sure if it is permissions issue with /dev/dvb. this is new install
[18:17] <qwebirc87410> hi
[18:18] <qwebirc87410> has anyone burned the release iso's to CD R
[18:18] <qwebirc87410> what software did you use to burn the iso successfully?
[18:22] <houms> are you referring to mythbuntu 12.04?
[18:30] <houms> qwebirc87410 is so it is too big for cd
[18:30] <houms> use dvd or usb


[00:16] <mup> PR snapcraft#3722 closed: static: black update to 22 syntax <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3722>
[00:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#3724 opened: spread: remove git user config from pbr test <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3724>
[00:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#3725 opened: tests: use lxd in clean provider test <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3725>
[01:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#3605 closed: WIP: Add gnome-42 extension <Created by kenvandine> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3605>
[01:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#3724 closed: spread: remove git user config from pbr test <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3724>
[05:55] <mborzecki> morning
[07:07] <pstolowski> morning
[09:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#3725 closed: tests: use lxd in clean provider test <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3725>
[10:05] <mvo> jamesh: out of curiosity, why is 11708 still draft? seems reviewers are happy with it
[10:09] <mup> PR snapd#11743 opened: o/devicestate: use snap handler for copying and checksuming preseeded snaps <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11743>
[10:50] <jamesh> mvo: I've dropped the draft flag. I think there's probably still more stuff that needs to be added, but it gets us a fair way
[10:51] <jamesh> mvo: I'll need a new libseccomp for the futex_waitv bit to actually do anything though
[10:59] <jamesh> is there anything that can be done about the inclusive-naming-check CI test when I'm dealing with APIs that use the word "slave"?
[11:06] <transhumanist> figured I would ask: https://bpa.st/4U4A  I added the section about svc with passthrough but it says Issues while validating snapcraft.yaml: mapping values are not allowed in this context on line 28, column 18
[11:07] <transhumanist> as far as I know I am running latest of snapcraft
[11:11] <jamesh> transhumanist: remove two spaces on lines 28 and 29
[11:30] <transhumanist> thanks james, that fixed that error then it generates this one : Issues while validating snapcraft.yaml: The 'apps/svc' property does not match the required schema: 'command' is a required property   should svc be under anbox: instead?
[11:31] <transhumanist> sorry jamesh
[11:32] <jamesh> it depends on what you're trying to do. If you're adding a new daemon, you'll need to specify a command line to launch it.
[11:32] <jamesh> i.e. add a command: property
[11:32] <transhumanist> I am trying to get it so I can launch the app through systemd without permission denied error
[11:33] <transhumanist> there is  a systemd directory in the container
[11:34] <transhumanist> should I be using that one instead?
[11:36] <transhumanist> my systemd configuration looks like this: https://bpa.st/Z47A but I think its probably not right
[11:39] <transhumanist> perhaps I should be just asking in the forum since it appears to be a very specific use case
[11:42] <jamesh> I really don't know enough about anbox to say for certain, but if you're executing scripts from within the snap rather than the endpoints it exposes in /snap/bin, you'll probably have trouble
[11:43] <jamesh> the commands in /snap/bin will have snapd set up the correct sandbox environment to run the snap's code.
[11:45] <transhumanist> you wouldn't have an article on this would you? I mean , it seems to me it makes sense to use the systemd service directory thats in the container if it actually works, yes?
[11:46] <transhumanist> yes thats the problem executing from outside the container
[11:53] <transhumanist>  I will ask on the forum, thanks
[12:05] <mup> PR snapd#11744 opened: secboot: partial reprovision <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11744>
[12:45] <mup> PR snapd#11714 closed: many: move recovery key responsibility to devicestate/secboot, prepare for a future with just optional recovery key <Run nested> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11714>
[12:45] <mup> PR snapd#11745 opened: many: use UC20+/pre-UC20 in user messages as needed <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11745>
[13:46] <mup> PR snapd#11739 closed: gadget/install, o/devicestate: do not create recovery and reinstall keys during installation <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11739>
[15:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#3726 opened: legacy command: remove close and release <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3726>
[17:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#3726 closed: legacy command: remove close and release <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3726>
[18:32] <mup> PR snapd#11708 closed: interfaces: add a steam-support interface <Squash-merge> <Needs security review> <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11708>
[18:47] <mup> PR snapd#11746 opened: tests: install snapd while restoring in snap-mgmt <Simple 😃> <Run failed> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11746>
[18:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3727 opened: commands: status and list-tracks <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3727>
[19:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3728 opened: ci: disable Python 3.9 unit testing <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3728>
[21:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3718 closed: parts: run debug shell on build environment <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3718>
[22:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#3729 opened: parts: handle build base <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3729>
[22:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#3728 closed: ci: disable Python 3.9 unit testing <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3728>
[23:12] <diddledani> who is in charge of review-tools these days? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/review-tools-doesnt-know-what-private-shared-memory-is/29767
[23:13] <diddledani> also can you push internally to get the store team to stick to the rules - if a snap is rejected because of the review tools it is unfair that Canonical employees can override that for the Steam snap when the general public cannot do the same
[23:46] <ogra> diddledani, who says you can not ? just file a store request
[23:47] <diddledani> there's no wording in the automated denial that indicates that a store request would be considered
[23:47] <ogra> (there were bugs with the stre declaration which is why review-tools do not work yet, it is being fixed)
[23:47] <ogra> *store
[23:48] <ogra> (not sur ehow fast though, there is a sprint next week i think)
[23:48] <diddledani> the fact that it's an immediate denial rather than a "needs manual review" response to me alludes to there being no recourse
[23:49] <diddledani> even if there is recourse the messaging tells me otherwise
[23:49] <ogra> yeah thats the bug ... the declaration is wrong and tells review-tools to immediately reject (though i understood there are two parts of the prob this is just the one side i know)


[09:32] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubucon Europe 2019: We welcome a new Gold sponsor – Ângulo Sólido! @ https://sintra2019.ubucon.org/we-welcome-a-new-gold-sponsor-angulo-solido/
[11:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubucon Europe 2019: Ubucon Europe is around the corner! @ https://sintra2019.ubucon.org/ubucon-europe-is-around-the-corner/
[12:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: How to Upgrade to Ubuntu 19.10 from 19.04, Right Now @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=153297 (by Joey Sneddon)
[14:21] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubucon Europe 2019: Sintra Parks and Palaces Cultural Visit Program @ https://sintra2019.ubucon.org/sintra-parks-and-palaces-cultural-visit-program/
[14:47] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Calibre Gets First Update in 2 Years, Adds New Ebook Viewer @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=154121 (by Joey Sneddon)
[15:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Alexa’s Favourite Operating System is Ubuntu, Apparently [Video] @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=154146 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:50] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ArcMenu 33 Lands with HUGE Improvements, GNOME 3.34 Support @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=154183 (by Joey Sneddon)
[21:13] <Bashing-om> UWN599 up for review and final edits.


[00:12] <silverarrow> firefox 16 just installed
[02:56] <Abhijit> hello
[02:56] <Abhijit> when will 12.10 be released?
[02:57] <silverarrow> some time this month
[02:57] <silverarrow> Abhijit: are you in a hurry?
[02:57] <Abhijit> ok.
[02:58] <Abhijit> no not much since 12.04 forced me to abandon buntu family
[02:58] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[02:58] <silverarrow> you could do release upgrade to beta 2
[02:58] <Abhijit> i just want to check if they have improved it in 12.10 so that i can come back
[02:58] <Abhijit> ok
[02:58] <silverarrow> improved what?
[02:58] <Abhijit> everything.
[02:58] <silverarrow> that is debatable
[02:59] <Abhijit> lets not debate then.
[02:59] <silverarrow> some packages are updated to latest
[02:59] <Abhijit> good to hear
[03:00] <silverarrow> if you are looking for newer versions of apps, it should be better
[03:01] <Abhijit> no I am not looking for newer versions of app. i can get it in any distro. i am looking for performance improvement. the 12.04 was working 1% and crashing 99% on my machine.
[03:01] <Abhijit> i need to restart now and then
[03:01] <Abhijit> my one freind checked the 12.10 beta and told me to try it
[03:01] <Abhijit> he told me its better
[03:28] <bjsnider> i'm assuming you reported bugs for all of these crashes
[03:42] <perscitus> I just realized why you don't do Transparent or Translucent  Dash.   It hurts the eyes if  you got web page and irc open. You can't focus on the icons.
[04:01] <pepee> sudo do-release-upgrade -d  failed to find a new version...
[04:02] <trism> pepee: you need to enable normal upgrades, software-properties-gtk, Updates Tab, near the bottom
[04:03] <pepee> how to do that in kubuntu/lubuntu?
[04:03] <pepee> I'd prefer to do it in the command line anyway
[04:04] <trism> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades , Prompt=normal
[04:09] <pepee> I see, thanks trism
[07:55] <erle-> is 12.10 good enough for fun computers already?
[08:22] <sloerie> strangely, i cannot login with lightdm -- ls -a shows .compiz, but nautilus doesnt (seen from another user) -- hints and tips?
[08:27] <MonkeyDust> strangely, i cannot login with lightdm, using my normal user - i can login tty1 and i can login with another user and with guest -- ls -a shows .compiz, but nautilus doesnt (seen from another user) -- the funny thing is: i don't like/use compiz -- hints and tips?
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: is your user the owner of all of it's home directory?
[08:30] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip: yes
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: if you log in to a different session using lightdm, does it log in ok?
[08:31] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip: with the Guest and with another user I created, yes, just not with my normal user
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: so you cannot log into any session as your user?
[08:32] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip: i can when i use ctrl-alt-f1, just not in the GUI
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: what sessions are available to you?
[08:34] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip: i also installed fallback, cannot login Classic (no effects), either -- always with my normal user -- i can with any other user
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: if you install the xfce4 package, can you log into the XFCE session?
[08:37] <MonkeyDust> lemme try
[08:41] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip: things have gone completely wrong here, i'm gonna reinstall the whole thing - i don't even try to understand it anymore
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> your call
[08:53] <newman> hello everyone, installed ubuntu 12.10 beta2 but software cetre is not opening
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> newman: try running it from terminal, the output will give clues
[08:57] <newman> how can we run it from terminal
[08:57] <newman> and also dash is not showig apps for download and other online content
[08:58] <newman> i am behind proxy which requires authentication
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> newman: run:  software-center
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> newman: )not american spelling)
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> *note
[09:01] <newman> ahh, that worked i had extra file in /etc/apt
[09:01] <newman> It opened, thanks
[09:02] <newman> but dash is still not displaying online content like apps for download or wikipedia results
[12:58] <dupondje> telepathy-haze is not available ?!
[12:58] <dupondje> I mean, installed telepathy-haze, but can't configure the account types in Empathy?
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> hi BluesKaj
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hey ActionParsnip
[13:31] <Guest55397> hi. anyone having problems in the upgrade to quantal?
[13:31] <Guest55397> I'm having an error with some kde packages
[13:36] <Guest55397> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/runnermodel/librunnermodelplugin.so' which also in in the package plasma-active <version>'
[13:36] <Guest55397> how can I fix this mess? :/
[13:37] <Guest55397> I suppose this is because of some ppas I had, but I'm not really sure
[13:38] <Guest55397> is there any way to reconfigure the upgrade process? it says I'm already using quantal, but it couldn't even install the new kernel...
[13:51] <erle-> is it possible to install xorg-ati and fglrx at the same time in quantal?
[13:55] <Guest55397> erle-: IIRC, no, it's not, and if you do that one will overwrite parts of the other
[13:56] <Guest55397> erle-: check wiki.cchtml.com
[13:58] <erle-> Guest55397, ok, i knew that taht was the case in previous versions
[13:58] <erle-> thanks
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> Guest55397: sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-generic   (I assume the generic kernel)
[14:02] <L30n0v> hi all. i have some problem with updating python3-update-manager, update-manager, update-manager-core packages. they cannot be fetched from the http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-manager/update-manager_0.174.3_all.deb  404  Not Found
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> L30n0v: tried a different server?
[14:04] <Guest55397> ActionParsnip: apparently it's fixed after doing apt-get -f install
[14:04] <Guest55397> and some updates
[14:04] <Guest55397> it's upgrading now
[14:05] <L30n0v> ActionParsnip: nope. just this one
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> Guest55397: cool
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> L30n0v: i suggest you try it
[14:05] <L30n0v> ok
[14:06] <Guest55397> erle-: I'd ask in #ati to be sure
[14:30] <CARL0S-> has something happened with GIMP? There's no master toolbox/diagolue any more. WTF. I just want to crop an image...
[14:32] <CARL0S-> the toobox is gone
[14:37] <Daekdroom> I'm slightly suspicious there's something hidden somewhere in a menu through which you can activate it.
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> CARL0S-: tried closing gimp then renaming the gimp config folder?
[14:38] <Pici> CARL0S-: IIRC, the version of the GIMP in Quantal has been updated to the new version which has a more photoshopy interface
[14:39] <CARL0S-> Pici: I know about the single-window mode, but it's not that. There's just no toolbox. I can choose to create a new toolbox, but there used to be a combined brushes/toolbox/etc. dialogue. I'll try clearing out the gimp config folder. Between this, and LibreOffice having all its menu options greyed out the other day, I'm getting a bit fed up. I suppose that's the price you pay for using beta software though.
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> CARL0S-: did you try the folder rename?
[14:43] <CARL0S-> well, there's a .gimp-2.6 and a .gimp-2.8 in my home directory. I just renamed them both, 1 sec.
[14:44] <CARL0S-> yeah that's fixed it. thanks :) I already did my cropping by using the right-click menu, but thanks ;)
[15:11]  * ActionParsnip knows why he uses pre-release :)
[15:49] <SpamapS> anyone else running quantal on a MacBookPro 5,1 or another system with a BCM4322 wireless chip?
[15:49] <SpamapS> my wifi seems to just stall out every few minutes
[15:52] <jokerdino> quick question, if my nautilus is missing dynamic quicklists, what should i be doing to troubleshoot?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> SpamapS: arte there lots of networks on the same channel in your area?
[16:06] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: no, and the MacBookAir sitting right next to it has no such issue
[16:06] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: Have actually moved channels a few times to be free from interference.
[16:07] <SpamapS>           RX packets:1043972 errors:31 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:20332922
[16:07] <SpamapS> hmm!
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> SpamapS: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> solidly?
[16:22] <pepee> I'm getting "Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out", anyone knows what does it means?
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> pepee: are there any clues online?
[16:24] <pepee> lots of reports, can't find a solution, but I'm still searching
[16:24] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: sometimes no
[16:24] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: but it goes back down to the gateway
[16:24] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: so I'm fairly certain it is the wifi, not the internet
[16:25] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: as in, <IP_ADDRESS> .. my router.. will cut out at the same time the internets do
[16:25] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: thanks for asking these questions. Sometimes it helps to just get these things out of my head...
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> SpamapS: after it drops, run:  dmesg | tail    it may give clues
[16:27] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: its definitely all those frame errors
[16:27] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: and dmesg shows nothing unfortunately
[16:28] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: going to try new firmware
[16:57] <pepee> ActionParsnip, apparently rtkit is the problem, I removed it and no more error messages ("Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out")
[17:35] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: switched to the b43 driver.. no more troubles
[17:41] <bobweaver> hello there I am having some troubles and have been having them for like a week now. one night I lost etworking on my 12.10 partition so I looked at it and noticed that there was virtual networks enabled in ifconfig   I never set these up. how did this happen ?
[17:42] <bobweaver> I am affraid to use that partition now thinking that I might have been cracked
[17:42] <SpamapS> ActionParsnip: n/m, I think its something else. :-/
[17:42] <bobweaver> I have removed everything that has to do with virtual (kvm,qemu ect )  and they are still there
[17:44] <bobweaver> I guess my question is How to get rid of these things ? like in ifconfig I see vlan8 and 10 or something like that have not booted that partition in a week or so
[18:26] <rymate1234> hey
[18:26] <rymate1234> is there a way to downgrade from ubuntu 12.10 back to 12.04 LTS?
[18:31] <bjsnider> rymate1234, yes, but you're not going to like it
[18:31] <rymate1234> reinstall?
[18:33] <rymate1234> bjsnider, what is it
[18:33] <rymate1234> if its reinstalling, the meh
[18:33] <rymate1234> *then
[18:33] <bjsnider> yeah
[18:34] <rymate1234> yay
[18:40] <bjsnider> rymate1234, you might as well stick with quantal at this point
[18:40] <rymate1234> Ok
[19:48] <AaronCampbell> It looks like the proprietary driver for my video card is avail now.  What's the difference between fglrx and fglrx-updates?
[19:50] <AaronCampbell> My card is a RADEON HD6870 and I've had problems with it (mostly because it's powering 4 monitors).
[19:51] <AaronCampbell> So I'd like to try the proprietary drivers, but would like to know the difference between the two options first
[19:56] <bobweaver> AaronCampbell,  what is fglrx-amdcccle
[20:02] <AaronCampbell> bobweaver: I have no idea.
[20:03] <bobweaver> !info fglrx-amdcccle partner | AaronCampbell
[20:04] <bobweaver> AaronCampbell,  fglrx-amdcccle - Catalyst Control Center for the AMD graphics accelerators
[20:05] <AaronCampbell> bobweaver: Here is what I'm talking about: http://cl.ly/image/3y0Z2y1C0k34
[20:06] <AaronCampbell> Wondering what the difference between the second and third options is
[20:09] <bobweaver> AaronCampbell,  so there is a number of things that are different between updates and non we can look with command   apt-cache show fglrx-updates      or  apt-cache show fglrx    read the description
[20:10] <bobweaver> But to be honest I am not sure
[20:21] <bjsnider> -updates would be anew driver that has been released by amd
[20:26] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: Thanks
[20:26] <AaronCampbell> bobweaver: Thanks to you too
[21:09] <augcampos> I there can some help me, with a ATI Radeon HD4850 in ubuntu 12.10
[21:10] <jonathonf> doesn't work with current fglrx
[21:10] <jonathonf> use the open source drivers
[21:11] <augcampos> every time I reboot the resoluton of 2nd monitor is set to 1024x768
[21:11] <jonathonf> at the login screen or once you have logged in? dvi or vga connector?
[21:12] <augcampos> after login, and is vga
[21:13] <augcampos> <---- script --->
[21:13] <augcampos> #!/bin/bash
[21:13] <augcampos> xrandr --newmode 1680x1050_60.00  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync
[21:13] <augcampos> xrandr --addmode DVI-0 1680x1050_60.00
[21:13] <augcampos> xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1680x1050_60.00
[21:13] <augcampos> xrandr --output DVI-1 --mode 1440x900
[21:13] <augcampos> xrandr --output DVI-1 --primary
[21:13] <augcampos> <--- script --->
[21:16] <jonathonf> i take it you've tried using Displays to set it up? I have a 5650 and use a 1280x1024 VGA from time-to-time, it sets up correctly after logging in
[21:17] <augcampos> I try but the 1680x1050 do not show in combobox
[21:18] <augcampos> after the script it'll but if I reboot I have to run script again :)
[21:21] <AaronCampbell> Thanks again to bobweaver and bjsnider - I moved to fglrx-updates and tried to use amdcccle to set stuff up, but it kept crashing the window decorator.  I pulled up my old config and found replaced my xorg.conf with http://pastebin.com/8xG7rbMN and then set up the displays with "System Settings" -> "Displays" and it works GREAT!
[21:22] <AaronCampbell> Video is responsive again and I can once again have the launcher on all 4 screens
[21:42] <augcampos> in ubuntu 12.10 how can i check if 3d is enable?
[21:42] <jonathonf> augcampos: glxinfo
[21:42] <jonathonf> sorry, i can't find anything to help with your monitor resolution :(
[21:43] <augcampos> thnaks any way
[21:46] <rye> Hello, is there a way to delete apps from messaging menu that does not involve dconf? I found this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/166655/how-do-i-remove-a-website-from-ubuntus-web-applications
[21:46] <augcampos> glxinfo anbd look for, what
[21:47] <BluesKaj> augcampos, glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[21:48] <augcampos> OpenGL vendor string: X.Org
[21:48] <augcampos> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV770
[21:48] <augcampos> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 9.0
[21:48] <augcampos> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30
[21:48] <augcampos> OpenGL extensions:
[22:01] <jpwhiting> hmm, something very weird is happening with pkg-config on quantal
[22:01] <jpwhiting> pkg-config --libs gweather-3.0 works fine, but pkg-config --cflags gweather-3.0 is giving some error about xproto not being there
[22:02] <jpwhiting> same with webkit-1.0 or anything else under /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[22:02] <jpwhiting> err, maybe not, it seems to be a problem in my jhbuild built pkg-config, doh :)
[22:11] <pepee> Hi. the subversion program in quantal crashes when upgrading some repo
[22:11] <pepee> I already reported the crash to someone in #svn
[22:12] <pepee> he told me to use subversion 1.7.7, ubuntu repos svn client is svn 1.7.5 (r1336830)
[22:13] <pepee> err he told me to try 1.7.7, to check if it's fixed
[22:47] <bobweaver> pepee,  did you file a bug on launchpad against this ?
[22:47] <n1ckn4me09876543> I have a question: how can I have dual boot operating systems with Ubuntu 12.10 and Windows 8 if I do a full hard drive encryption with ubuntu 12.10 ?
[22:49] <n1ckn4me09876543> Like how would Grub Boot loader works? because this is similar dilemma I had when encrypting with TrueCrypt.
[22:50] <pepee> bobweaver, no, I didn't, I'm gonna do it now
[22:51] <pepee> n1ckn4me09876543, ask in #ubuntu and ##linux too
[23:04] <zoktar> anyone had this issue with propierity nvidia drivers (edgers/with the special installer from ubuntu extreme), where only 2 resolutions are made availible. Max res and half of max res. Normally there would be about 10 more resolutions to choose from. 648x480,800x600 etc etc. without counting aspect ratio. id like to add atleast one more resolution of 1920x1200
[23:12] <zoktar> did xorg.conf get moved in 12.10?
[23:25] <AaronCampbell> zoktar: mine was still in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:28] <pepee> ok, reported. is this understandable?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/+bug/1065312
[23:59] <trippeh> Argh, someone removed the ipv6 mirrors, now all my networks are broken.
[23:59] <trippeh> Caaaanoniiicaaaal!!


[00:19] <lifeless> barry: bug 252212
[00:56] <Turl> hi
[00:57] <Turl> is anyone here?
[01:04] <lifeless> not when you wait less than 60 seconds for a reply
[01:18] <technomancy> is there any way to automate file downloads when you cut a new release in launchpad, or do you have to create your tar/zip files manually and upload them through the web interface?
[01:28] <RAOF> technomancy: I don't think so currently.  I believe this should become possible as launchpadlib expands its coverage.
[06:12] <siretart> klette: pong
[13:12] <goibhniu> hi .. I would like to voice my concern about using the BSD licence for translations .. is there a procedure for things like that?
[13:27] <intellectronica> goibhniu: i think the users mailing list is probably a good place for discussions like that. i don't know if this is something that is seriously still open for discussion, though. give it a try
[13:28] <goibhniu> great thanks, yeah .. I only heard about it recently :/
[13:28]  * goibhniu will send an email to get it off his chest anyway
[15:45] <Mez> https://help.launchpad.net/OpenID <-- someone has a weird sense of HTML
 and <\head>
[15:46] <beuno> Mez, it's for left-handed people  :p
[15:46] <beuno> mrevell, you around?
[15:46] <beuno> may be worth fixing that  ^   but it may not be worth a bug
[15:48] <mrevell> Hi beuno
[15:48]  * mrevell looks
[15:48] <beuno> mrevell, it's suppose to be </head>
[15:48] <beuno> and hi mrevell   :)
[15:48] <beuno> will I be seeing you next week?
[15:49] <beuno> oh, wait, no. You already told me
[15:49] <mrevell> Mez:  thanks for reporting that. it's fixed.
[15:50] <mrevell> beuno: Heh :) Unfortunately not.
[15:50] <Mez> mrevell, ah, didn't know it was your job to fix that ;)(
[15:50] <Mez> or I'd have just poked you myself ;)
[15:51] <Mez> oh, good to see you at LRL (if briefly)(
[15:51] <mrevell> Mez:  :)
[15:51] <mrevell> yeah you too :)
[15:51] <Mez> am surprised that Ade didnt turn up though;)
[15:52] <Mez> at least some people made the effort eh mrevell ?
[15:52] <mrevell> Mez: He was in NYC celebrating his birthday, I believe :) Karoke related activities the night before prevented me attending the Sunday :)
[15:53] <Mez> mrevell, I know - was only kidding ;)
[16:09] <MrStei2> Hi! Anyone here or should I just file a bug ?
[16:10] <MrStei2> Searching for some phrases on https://launchpad.net gives a "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page." Error
[16:10] <MrStei2> WTF does it not change my nick to MrStein ???
[16:10] <MrStei2> argh
[16:11] <kiko> MrStei2, sorry?
[16:11] <MrStein> eh, I fixed it now
[16:12] <MrStein> kiko: Searching for "firefox does not show 404 error" on https://launchpad.net gives a "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page." Error
[16:12] <MrStein> instead of results or a "No matxching results" message
[16:13] <kiko> how interesting
[16:13] <kiko> MrStein, does searching for anything else cause that?
[16:14] <MrStein> did not try. I just tried 2 other searches. One returns a lot of hits, the other says "Your search for           “some things are fooby and kekennen”           did not return any results. "
[16:15] <Wellark> hi!
[16:15] <Wellark> my PPA build failed because of a missing dependency
[16:16] <Wellark> is there any way to restart the build process of already uploaded source.changes?
[16:16] <kiko> MrStein, I can reproduce. thanks, it's a bug
[16:16] <MrStein> shall I report or will you handle it ?
[16:17] <Wellark> never mind.. I already found the retry-link..
[16:17] <kiko> MrStein, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/259780
[16:17] <MrStein> kiko ?
[16:18] <MrStein> eh :-)
[16:18] <MrStein> does anyone have firefox running and 10 seconds of time ?
[16:19] <MrStein> kiko: Note the url I used was https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=firefox+does+not+show+404+error&field.actions.search=Search  , the one in the bug report is slightly different. (that one asks me for login)
[16:20] <kiko> MrStein, it doesn't matter -- it is the same bug
[16:20] <MrStein> ok
[16:20] <MrStein> Can someone please check in firefox what happens on page http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/etqw/ if clicking on the link ETQW-client-1.4-full.x86.run under 2.1 Retail Game ?
[16:21] <MrStein> It should say error 404, but mine just shows the prevoius page.
[16:21]  * MrStein is a magnet for bugs
[16:21] <kiko> MrStein, the reason that happens is that it's a torrent
[16:22] <kiko> MrStein, it's firing up an external process which probably fails when it notices it's a 404
[16:22] <MrStein> no, it is not a toreent. It is a dead link.
[16:22] <MrStein> oh, you mean firefox is being "smart" ?
[16:22] <kiko> yes
[16:22] <MrStein> ah, that what you get with "mart" code ;-)
[16:22] <kiko> it is arguably a bug
[16:22] <MrStein> that=that's
[16:22] <MrStein> mart=smart (damn...)
[16:22] <kiko> probably upstream
[16:23] <MrStein> I'll report it anyway ;-)
[16:23] <kiko> MrStein, I'll disclose that bug so you don't have this problem
[16:23] <MrStein> the bug with ff/torrent link ?
[16:23] <MrStein> or the former ?
[16:24] <kiko> the former
[16:24] <MrStein> ok
[16:24] <MrStein> thanks
[16:25] <kiko> MrStein, just ping me when you're finished with the query so I can make it private again as I want the URL in the bug report to actually cause a failure :)
[16:26] <kiko> MrStein, can you try again now?
[16:27] <MrStein> now it gives results. for the record: I visited https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=firefox+does+not+show+404+error&field.actions.search=Search
[16:28] <MrStein> kiko: you can change it back now
[16:29] <kiko> MrStein, you're welcome
[18:32] <glatzor> Could anybody help me with OpenID and the Ubuntu wiki? I cannot login anymore
[18:33] <glatzor> the last time I logged was before the openid thing.
[18:47] <Mez> glatzor, it's not that hard, you just need a launchpad account...
[18:47] <Mez> what issue are you having :?
[18:48] <agy> glatzor: is this still a problem?
[18:50] <glatzor> Mez, want to make jokes at me?
[18:50] <glatzor> agy, wiping out my cookies solved the issue
[18:50] <glatzor> thanks agy
[18:51] <kiko> heh
[18:51] <Mez> glatzor, I'm not that much of a comedian... but I know a few jokes...
[18:51] <Mez> though I think they might be a bit too rude for in here :D
[20:19] <NCommander> kiko, how goes your inbox?
[20:19] <kiko> NCommander, change subject! :)
[20:20] <NCommander> kiko, how was lunch with cprov ;-)
[20:20] <kiko> hmmm, lunches in brazil, can't go wrong
[20:21] <LarstiQ> ah, so they don't involve taxi drivers then.
[20:21] <NCommander> They don't involve hit and runs like they do in NYC ;-)
[20:41]  * rockstar wonders what's wrong with the taxi drivers in Brazil.
[21:47] <Syntux> Good day, I'm not able to login with LP openID to Ubuntu wiki
[21:49] <LarstiQ> Syntux: you're at least the second person to ask that today, I don't know what's up though.
[21:50] <Syntux> it's weird that some people can login while others can't
[21:50] <Syntux> this is called "discrimination  bug"
[21:50] <Syntux> :p
[22:00] <mwhudson> yeah, only people born on tuesdays when there wasn't a full moon are allowed
[22:00] <mwhudson> sorry about that
[22:00] <mwhudson> :)
[22:07] <Syntux> mwhudson, ok that's the bug then because I was born on tuesday and it wasn't a full moon! .
[22:07] <mwhudson> darn!
[22:08] <Peng_> I was born on a Tuesday, but I dunno if it was a full moon or not. How do I test if OpenID works?
[22:11] <kiko> Peng_, try and log in to an OpenID site?
[22:12] <kiko> an OpenID-enabled site
[22:20] <NCommander> Peng_, you can try using REVU, which will login against LP
[22:20] <Peng_> I don't think I have a LP OpenID. Would I have to be a beta user?
[22:21] <NCommander> No, you don't
[22:21] <NCommander> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com
[22:21] <NCommander> CLick login via Launchpad OpenID
[22:21] <NCommander> Then login when you are redirected to the launchpad login page
[22:24] <Peng_> OK. It works, then.
[22:27]  * kiko cheers
[22:30] <NCommander> yay
[22:30] <NCommander> OpenID works
[22:30] <NCommander> kiko, am I correct in assuming LP uses an inhouse developed openid solution? (it doesn't seem to use the python-openid library)
[22:31] <NCommander> (or is it you can't answer under NDA)
[22:31] <kiko> NCommander, it does use python-openid, but there's a lot of custom code aroundit
[22:31] <NCommander> ah
[22:32] <NCommander> It seems a little kludgy since the openid response LP sends tells the consumer not to use a 302 redirect (and rejects if it does)
[22:32] <NCommander> (that threw me through a loop when I built the REVU openid module)
[22:34] <NCommander> I won't be suprised if some openid sites don't properly check the openid reply from LP and try and use a redirect vs the current POST method
[22:34] <Peng_> I don't think I can log into the Ubuntu wiki.
[22:35] <Peng_> "Waiting for wiki.ubuntu.com"
[22:35] <Peng_> Oh, it worked
[22:40] <NCommander> yay
[22:45] <kiko> hey
[22:46] <kiko> is there anyone around that would like to give input into launchpad features related to projects, products, teams and people? it is basically an email exchange and perhaps a phone call tomorrow.
[22:46] <kiko> this is to help me plan our first 3.0 cycle
[22:48] <LarstiQ> sure
[22:48] <LarstiQ> I'm not sure I have enough input though.
[22:49] <kiko> LarstiQ, it's easy, and I can give you hints. what email can I send the raw list to?
[22:55] <Syntux> kiko, I can try helping you out.
[22:55] <kiko> Syntux, okay, I'll email you something, hang on.
[22:56] <kiko> Syntux, what email can I sent this to?
[22:56] <wgrant> kiko: I have one suggestion - actually rename products to projects and projects to project groups, to avoid confusing people.
[22:57] <wgrant> (anybody looking at the API without having used LP before the rebranding is going to be very confused)
[22:57] <kiko> wgrant, heh, you know, bac will be your fan. :)
[22:59] <wgrant> Hm?
[23:02]  * ajmitch wonders if bug tasks are still mentioned
[23:03] <wgrant>     task = list(bug_one.bug_tasks)[0]
[23:03] <wgrant> Yes.
[23:03] <lifeless> bug 252212
[23:04] <lifeless> barry: ping
[23:04] <barry> lifeless: pong
[23:05] <lifeless> barry: bpeterson has a problem on python-hosting thingy
[23:06] <lifeless> barry: please see bug 252212
[23:07] <bac> kiko:  heh!  ^^^
[23:08] <barry> lifeless: code.python.org is running bzr 1.2.0
[23:08] <wgrant> bac: You're a supporter of the renaming idea, then?
[23:08] <bac> wgrant: it has come up..  :)
[23:08] <lifeless> barry: please upgrade kthx 1.5
[23:09] <barry> lifeless: k
[23:09] <lifeless> I don't _know_ that its the problem
[23:09] <lifeless> (1.6 would be even better)
[23:10] <barry> lifeless: any idea what version will be in the next stable debian?
[23:10] <lifeless> none
[23:10] <LarstiQ> barry: lenny?
[23:10] <LarstiQ> barry: or the one after that?
[23:10] <barry> LarstiQ: yep
[23:10] <lifeless> thats a once a decade event anyhow, kindof irrelevant :)
[23:10] <barry> lenny i think
[23:10] <wgrant> Looks like 1.5 at the moment.
[23:10]  * LarstiQ frowns sternly at lifeless
[23:10] <LarstiQ> barry: 1.5
[23:10]  * lifeless smiles sunnily
[23:11] <barry> LarstiQ, wgrant cool.  we broke our rule to use standard debs on pydotorg for that
[23:11] <barry> and some people weren't happy :)
[23:12] <wgrant> barry: For good reason. Lots of packaging is absolutely shocking.
[23:12] <wgrant> But fortunately bzr stuff is normally pretty good.
[23:12] <barry> wgrant: yep, and i now keep my mouth shut because i no longer want to do that work :)
[23:13] <barry> but i still think i can get 1.5 at least installed in the meantime
[23:13] <barry> lifeless: a new one for you: bug 259893
[23:14] <lifeless> barry: upgrade your loom plugin :)
[23:14] <barry> lifeless: i just did!  well, with bzr pull :/
[23:15] <lifeless> hmm
[23:15] <lifeless> its definitely not a bzr core bug
[23:15] <lifeless> what bzr version do you have?
[23:15] <barry> lifeless: 1.6rc3
[23:17] <lifeless> and it occurs on every pull?
[23:17] <lifeless> ah push of loom
[23:18] <barry> lifeless: if i blow away the target dir, it goes away
[23:22] <NCommander> bigjools, ping
[23:27] <lifeless> barry: intruiging
[23:28] <barry> lifeless: now running 1.5 on code.py.org.  we think the problem's resolved (tho we've only done pulls atm)
[23:29] <kiko> bac, heh
[23:29] <lifeless> ok, ran loom tests
[23:29] <lifeless> 2 fialures, I"ll need to do a 1.6 release, but push passes tess


[05:45] <Resistance> if i might ask, what all are the requirements to be an op in #ubuntu or one of the other ubuntu channels?
[05:45] <Resistance> as well, are there any qualifications?
[05:45] <Resistance> oh, and also
[05:45] <Resistance> Happy New Year to the Ubuntu IRC Team.  :)
[05:45] <pangolin> !canibeanop
[05:50] <Resistance> thanks


[00:15] <Darxus> For one ppa, I have three recipes.  The only difference between them is the name of the ubuntu release.  Any chance of getting that for a substitution variable?
[00:47] <Darxus> The symlink thing didn't do it.  This is still driving me nuts.
[00:47] <Darxus> https://code.launchpad.net/~darxus/+recipe/linux-firmware-daily-focal
[00:48] <Darxus> I'm nesting the upstream source lp:~darxus/linux-firmware/+git/trunk which contains a WHENCE file that links to the newer version of this binary:  Link: cxgb4/t4fw.bin -> t4fw-<IP_ADDRESS>.bin
[00:53] <Darxus> Okay, with more verbose logging, old symlinks are getting installed, and new ones aren't.  Progress.
[01:31] <Darxus> And yes, it was the problem with not overwriting existing symlinks after all.  A diff against what it looks like with a manual install now returns nothing.  Which is an incredibly useful sanity check.


[00:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl
[05:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl
[05:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl
[07:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl
[09:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl
[13:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Diff missing (eoan/almanah, eoan/bijiben, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/eweouz, eoan/folks, eoan/gdm3, eoan/glabels, eoan/gnome-books, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-desktop3, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-fl