[00:49] <jayjo-> I've been running into this problem the last few months (mentioned it here a few times) but its not a big enough issue to really dig into. My external webcam on ubuntu desktop becomes unavailable after something like 24 hours. A restart fixes it, so it's easy enough to deal with. But browsers, zoom, cheese, etc can't see the device after a while. Any ideas how I should try to debug this, in order to even
[00:49] <jayjo-> start a bug report? Is video a certain part of the kernel, or a certain log I should check out? The other issue is I usually notice it is no longer available a good while after it becomes unavailable
[00:50] <leftyfb> jayjo-: jayjo- https://askubuntu.com/a/1161074
[00:51] <sarnold> oh wow that looks promising
[01:00] <jayjo-> I'm about to restart, and things will work for a bit, but I'll guess we'll find out in a few days :) I'm changing /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend to -1 ... it was 2 before
[01:00] <sarnold> jayjo-: btw that file reflects only *runtime* status -- it won't persist across the reboot
[01:01] <sarnold> jayjo-: does unplugging and replugging the device work?
[01:03] <jayjo-> no, unplugging/replugging doesn't seem to help
[01:04] <jayjo-> what is "2" for usbcore autosuspend? the askubuntu page recommends -1 to disable. Is that in a kernel doc?
[01:07] <isapgswell> hi
[01:07] <sarnold> I'm guessing that '2' means 2 seconds, based on the 'autosuspend=5' part of https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt
[01:07] <isapgswell> i915.modeset=0 got blank screen
[01:07] <isapgswell> why?
[01:09] <sybariten> 'elo
[01:10] <sybariten> I'm _pretty_ sure that my old ass ubuntu 16 machine loses its (wired) connection to my router very regularly, each day in the night.
[01:11] <sybariten> I then have to go physically to the machine (which is supposed to be headless) and click among the network connections and chose the wired one and it gets back up on its feet again and everything is copacetic.
[01:11] <sybariten> I have other machines running in the same LAN which dont exhibit the same thing (not the exact same ubuntu version though). Whats the first thing i want to investigate to find the reason for this problem?
[01:13] <sarnold> sybariten: are there any messages in dmesg or the log files that may report why the link changes state?
[01:14] <sybariten> sarnold: yeah i dont know which log files are best to attack to be honest  :)
[01:15] <sarnold> sybariten: does any of your networking infrastructure have enough logging to let you know if another device on the network is acting oddly? perhaps something else comes up with the same IP address or same MAC address, or perhaps your system sends so many error packets the switch gives up on the port or something?
[01:17] <sybariten> Hmmmmmm i wouldn't _think_ so, i have a pretty limited number of devices, they all tend to keep the same IP's although its DHCP. I have a strong feeling this is down to this machine only. I just need to know what to investigate
[01:25] <xamua> sybariten: ip -stats link show <interface>
[01:27] <sybariten> xamua: https://termbin.com/gakx
[01:30] <xamua> nothing too crazy there. a few dropped packets
[01:32] <sybariten> ok
[01:38] <xamua> journalctl -u NetworkManger might give you some hints
[01:42] <sarnold> 16.04, probably no systemctl
[01:42] <sarnold> err journalctl
[01:45] <sybariten> i do have that tool as it seems
[01:45] <sybariten> literally like that, or NetworkManager?
[01:45] <sarnold> heh does it work? :)
[01:45] <sarnold> NetworkManager
[01:46] <sybariten> it spits out a lot of stuff from january 22 until today
[01:49] <InZaneGamer84> if i do 'pip install foobar' I shouldn't run into problems should i?
[01:49] <InZaneGamer84> as far as pkg conflicts with apt or dependancy resolution or whatever?
[01:49] <InZaneGamer84> someone told me not to use pip to install python pkgs... that might of been on manjaro though? i cant remember
[01:50] <InZaneGamer84> will pip install somepkg mess with a ubuntu install ?
[01:50] <xamua> sybariten: journalctl -u NetworkManager --since yesterday
[01:51] <xamua> you can specify a time range using --since and --until as well
[01:52] <sarnold> InZaneGamer84: it'd be worth researching a bit more; I don't know python world real well but I think I've heard that a plain pip install will overwrite packaged things, and that it'd be best to stick to using pip from within virtualenvs or something similar
[01:54] <sybariten> xamua: aha aha... what am i seeing, more or less?   https://pastebin.com/raw/pdBLpYB9
[01:55] <InZaneGamer84> sarnold: that's distressing! I'm not familiar with virtualenvs but I guess I'm fixing to be
[01:55] <InZaneGamer84> dam
[01:56] <xamua> sybariten: so, since it looks like it hasn't dropped recently, you'll want to run that same command after it drops again to see if it offers any hints as to why
[01:58] <sybariten> xamua: how do you mean? On the machine when the connection is actually dropped (is out), or just after i have reconnected after the next drop out?
[01:59] <xamua> after the next drop
[02:00] <xamua> alternatively, scroll through all the logs since 22 Jan looking for the last disconnect
[02:00] <xamua> using --since and --until to narrow it down
[02:02] <sybariten> xamua: aha aha... thanks
[02:37] <henry8> any deja dup backup gui experts in here?
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> best to ask your specific issue to the channel henry8 so volunteers can think along
[02:43] <henry8> ok...
[02:43] <henry8> looks like deja dup version 42.7 no longer uses duplicity...
[02:44] <henry8> recently upgraded deja dup, sometimes need to use duplicity via command line and it's no longer on my system after upgrading deja dup
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> !info deja-dup
[02:45] <henry8> wondering if others have similar experience
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> henry8: are you on 20.04 and how did you upgrade deja-dup?
[02:46] <henry8> yeah, 20.04
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> 40.7 is what you should have then henry8
[02:47] <henry8> my original deja dup software was freezing before finishing restore so i tried uninstalling and reinstalling via app store
[02:48] <henry8> it actually ended up being a snap.io version 42.7
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> ah ok, you're on snap?
[02:49] <henry8> yeah, didn't realize until finished downloading and thought i'd give it a try
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> henry8: you can contact the community/dev for issues here; https://discourse.gnome.org/tags/c/applications/7/deja-dup
[02:50] <henry8> thanks, appreciated
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> henry8: for non-canonical snaps we cant help much as they are externally maintained
[02:50] <henry8> thinking of trying a different backup option... no totally happy with deja dup... any recommendations?
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> sure
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> !borg
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> this seems to be popular these days
[02:51] <henry8> nice, thanks, i'll check it out
[03:30] <Qen-Joana> Hello everyone. I have a quick question. I upgraded my CPU from an i7-3930k (HEDT) to Xeon, and when I booted up my system, a couple apps stopped working and I am getting an error: "sudo: unable to resolve host *hostname*: Name or service not known"  Any ideas on how to fix/reconfigure?
[03:34] <Bashing-om> Qen-Joana: Try this: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux .
[03:44] <Qen-Joana> I will try that! First, I will restart my PC. I suspect this may be more than just an issue with the hostname, though, likely a problem with machine ID? BRB.
[03:45] <Bashing-om> Qen-Joana: End result we want the system to match up with /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname files.
[03:46] <Bashing-om> Qen-Joana: End result we want the system to match up with /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname files.
[03:53] <pi0> sarnold: is there a proper way to search installed packages
[03:54] <pi0> i want to remove unused packages
[03:54] <pi0> but also want to check for possible dependency issues
[03:55] <Qen-Joana> Bashing-om: I seem to have resolved one symptom of the problem by adding in an entry for my supposed-hostname to the hosts file... does this sound like a bad idea? The sudo commands are working now, though.
[03:56] <sarnold> pi0: dpkg -l | grep ^ii   will show you what's installed
[03:56] <sarnold> pi0: apt purge packagename  will immediately the purge the package if nothing depends upon it; it'll suggest what else needs to be removed, in case something else depends upon that package
[03:57] <sarnold> pi0: the orphaner tool can help you find packages that nothing else depends upon; be careful with this one though
[04:02] <pi0> orphaner i will google that one
[04:02] <pi0> nice
[04:02] <pi0> thank you
[04:04] <Bashing-om> Qen-Joana: I have always done so "manually"; hostnamectl is a systemd thing.
[04:07] <pi0> sarnold: when compiling within linux, and you will be using the make -j <some number>
[04:07] <pi0> were do you obtain the proper numbers? is there a cat /proc/something?
[04:14] <Qen-Joana> Bashing-om: Do you mean that I need to go through that linked page again and try to do it correctly? ;)
[04:16] <Bashing-om> Qen-Joana: Naw - if the two files match I would suggest just run 'sudo hostnamectl set-hostname <new-hostname>' for cheap insurance.
[04:19] <Qen-Joana> Bashing-om: I just did that command and nothing broke, so thank you!
[04:20] <Bashing-om> Qen-Joana: Glad-it-helps :D
[04:33] <swear000> anyone here?
[04:33] <matsaman> ’fraid so
[04:35] <swear000> I am on 20.04.2
[04:37] <swear000> anyone know how to resolve kernel issues?
[04:38] <matsaman> what kernel issue?
[04:39] <Bashing-om> swear000: Depends - what kernel - uname -r - are you running - there remains a few issues with the 5.8 series kernels.
[04:40] <swear000> 5.8.0-43-generic
[04:42] <Bashing-om> !info linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[04:42] <swear000> They made a lot of changes and there are many bugs.  I added some basic parameters to get the kernel to boot.  I have a lot of errors that need addressing.
[04:50] <swear000> what is tracker miner and why does it say: Unable to get XDG user directory path for special directory
[04:52] <KamiFlex> hey
[04:52] <swear000> hi
[04:53] <matsaman> hi
[04:54] <matsaman> swear000: some GNOME file indexer
[04:54] <matsaman> swear000: it was looking for some freedesktop-specified directory and didn't find it; probably irrelevant to most everything
[04:57] <swear000> true a lot of journal messages are harmless but I want to get as many as I can sorted out quickly.  I still have to recompile the kernel after getting the journal log cleared
[05:02] <swear000> I think Xwayland is responsible for a lot of these.  I have no idea why they decided to add SNAP packages either.  I am running Ubuntu because it is still more stable and secure than Windows and better than most Distributions I have tried
[05:03] <conr> have used ubuntu on a dev
[05:04] <conr> dedicated desktop hardware for a couple of years for pms, nas, etc.
[05:05] <conr> can i achieve this similutanously on Windows 10 with WSL or VituralBox?
[05:05] <swear000> It's a nice distro and more stable than most.  I just want to get rid of the journal spam
[05:06] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: ok I gotta pine in. Ubuntu is not more stable than Debian stable
[05:06] <InZaneGamer84> some parents are crazy when the kids are sane though....
[05:06] <InZaneGamer84> hmmm
[05:07] <swear000> I replaced my Windows 10 with UBUNTU because, although I can run WSL, windows still has too much bloatware
[05:07] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: preaching to the choir man
[05:07] <swear000> I used Debian in college.
[05:08] <InZaneGamer84> and it's only going to get worse with win10x
[05:08] <swear000> I though Ubuntu was based on debian
[05:08] <InZaneGamer84> ms has lost touch with their users
[05:08] <InZaneGamer84> it is
[05:08] <InZaneGamer84> it's technically derived from debian
[05:08] <InZaneGamer84> that makes ubuntu the child and debian the parent
[05:09] <InZaneGamer84> im using kubuntu which is derived from ubuntu. i love kde plasma. dislike ubuntu's DE
[05:09] <InZaneGamer84> my introduction to linux was ubuntu 10.10 and I left ubuntu when they switched their DE from gnome 2 to what they have now.
[05:10] <InZaneGamer84> i don't like gnome 3
[05:10] <InZaneGamer84> conr: what are you trying to achieve?
[05:10] <swear000> I am not a big fan of GNOME myself but it is the default.
[05:11] <InZaneGamer84> thus i defaulted to another distro lol
[05:11] <InZaneGamer84> kde plasma is nice! win 10 DE is way behind
[05:11] <swear000> UBUNTU is the only one that I can use secure boot with
[05:11] <InZaneGamer84> turn secure boot off!
[05:11] <conr> InZaneGamer84: im building a gaming pc with windows10 but would like to move my unbuntu box to virtually run on win10.
[05:12] <InZaneGamer84> conr: easy. so you wanna run ubuntu inside a vm?
[05:12] <InZaneGamer84> conr: imo a vm instance will provide a more 'complete' experience than WSL
[05:12] <conr> correct. just wondering what works best for 24/7. wsl, virtualbox?
[05:12] <swear000> I can toggle off secure boot but then I get an error about no operating system
[05:13] <InZaneGamer84> conr: are you a developer? dev on linux?
[05:13] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: do you have more than one hdd?
[05:13] <conr> InZaneGamer84: yes but i have a mac for that
[05:13] <swear000> no it is a laptop
[05:13] <InZaneGamer84> conr: then you don't need WSL crap. use virtualbox
[05:14] <conr> i just want ubuntu for pms, nas, openvpn
[05:14] <InZaneGamer84> conr: it's a 'premiere' experience
[05:14] <InZaneGamer84> conr: a vm instance is perfect for u
[05:14] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: dual booting on uefi secure boot is doable but .... complex?
[05:14] <conr> InZaneGamer84: ive used vbox before on mac. nice. its it pretty stable?
[05:15] <InZaneGamer84> conr: lol indeed. rock solid
[05:15] <InZaneGamer84> conr: you need to configure the vm correctly though for a linux guest
[05:15] <conr> InZaneGamer84: should i use debian instead of ubuntu?
[05:15] <swear000> I tried dual booting but it is pointless.  I either need to run Windows or a Linux that supports my hardware
[05:16] <InZaneGamer84> conr: it won't matter really. try both
[05:16] <InZaneGamer84> conr: use ubuntu or debian stable
[05:16] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: what kind of laptop do you have?
[05:16] <conr> InZaneGamer84: does vbox have access to networking or file drives?
[05:16] <InZaneGamer84> conr: of course!
[05:16] <swear000> Acer aspire v 15
[05:17] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: you have to properly partition your hdd. GPT UEFI
[05:17] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: do you want to dual boot or give the whole hdd to ubuntu?
[05:17] <InZaneGamer84> conr: virtualbox has good documentation. peruse it
[05:18] <swear000> The whole drive is UBUNTU and it is LUKS encrypted
[05:18] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: and why are you using encryption? are you going to have sensitive data on the drive?
[05:18] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: that just adds another layer of complexity to properly setting up the disk so it will boot
[05:18] <swear000> yes I am in healthcare
[05:18] <InZaneGamer84> oh
[05:19] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: one min i will find you a good page
[05:19] <conr> swear000: me too
[05:19] <swear000> nice
[05:19] <conr> it healthcare
[05:19] <swear000> good place to be
[05:21]  * InZaneGamer84 bows
[05:21] <InZaneGamer84> thank you for your service!
[05:21] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: https://askubuntu.com/questions/927924/how-to-install-ubuntu-in-uefi-mode
[05:22] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: you must create an EFI 100MB partition for uefi boot
[05:22] <swear000> yes I know.  I am running it now.
[05:24] <swear000> I am just getting messages like: Getting invalid resource scale property
[05:24] <swear000> ,  error in livepatch check state: check-failed, reference to undefined property "MetaWindowXwayland"
[05:24] <swear000> , gkr-pam: unable to locate daemon control file
[05:24] <swear000> , etc.
[05:24] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: where is that coming from?
[05:25] <conr> InZaneGamer84: can you explain what linux guests are!
[05:25] <conr> ?
[05:25] <InZaneGamer84> conr: yes
[05:25] <InZaneGamer84> you have a 'host' which is the OS that is running the VM. Or running the virtual box program. In your case the host is windows
[05:25] <InZaneGamer84> the 'guest' is the VM
[05:26] <InZaneGamer84> in your case, a linux 'guest'
[05:26] <InZaneGamer84> the 'guest' is what's being emulated
[05:26] <swear000> journalctl -b -0 shows the errors mostly from init scripts and Wayland and GNOME
[05:26] <conr> ok simple
[05:27] <InZaneGamer84> conr: yup
[05:27] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: what kind of gpu chipset is in your laptop?
[05:27] <swear000> Intel HD Graphics 5500
[05:27] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: is hardware acceleration enabled for your DE? it's not running in software mode is it
[05:27] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: no issues with drivers?
[05:30] <swear000>  i2c_hid: probe of i2c-ELAN0501:00 failed with error -22 from touchpad and thermalzone error from iwlwifi but it does work
[05:31] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: run this 'sudo apt-get install inxi' then 'inxi -D' and paste output
[05:31] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: inxi -G not D
[05:31] <InZaneGamer84> sorry
[05:31] <swear000>   Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel
[05:31] <swear000>   Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.9 driver: fbdev unloaded: modesetting,vesa
[05:31] <swear000>   resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
[05:31] <swear000>   OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 5500 (BDW GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.2.6
[05:32] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: one min
[05:32] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: which version of ubuntu are you running?
[05:33] <swear000> 20.04.2
[05:33] <InZaneGamer84> k hold on
[05:33] <InZaneGamer84> you're good
[05:33] <InZaneGamer84> driver is loaded as i915
[05:34] <swear000> yes the system works but it there are just small technical issues to iron out
[05:34] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: is there any lag when you drag windows around?
[05:36] <swear000> not really.  A few glitches sometimes.  The system hung earlier today but the kernel just got updated
[05:37] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: i'm not so sure you firmware is loaded for that gpu
[05:37] <InZaneGamer84> swear000: run 'lsmod | grep 'intel' paste output
[05:38] <swear000> btintel                28672  1 btusb
[05:38] <swear000> bluetooth             577536  11 btrtl,btintel,btbcm,bnep,btusb
[05:38] <swear000> intel_rapl_msr         20480  0
[05:38] <swear000> intel_rapl_common      28672  1 intel_rapl_msr
[05:38] <swear000> intel_powerclamp       20480  0
[05:38] <swear000> snd_hda_intel          53248  4
[05:38] <InZaneGamer84> don't flood
[05:38] <InZaneGamer84> you're gonna get kicked
[05:38] <InZaneGamer84> paste to a pastie
[05:38] <InZaneGamer84> a site
[05:39] <swear000> any good site?
[05:39] <InZaneGamer84> bpaste.org
[05:40] <InZaneGamer84> i don't see the gpu firmware loaded
[05:40] <InZaneGamer84> you know the 'additional drivers' app or whatever?
[05:40] <swear000> ya
[05:41] <InZaneGamer84> open that up and paste a screenshot
[05:41] <InZaneGamer84> ill give u a link
[05:41] <swear000> It says no additional drivers available
[05:41] <InZaneGamer84> hmm
[05:41] <InZaneGamer84> one sec
[05:42] <swear000> I don't think it is like NVIDIA or AMD
[05:43] <swear000> I would probably have to work with xorg or the framebuffer
[05:43] <InZaneGamer84> do 'sudo prime-select intel'
[05:43] <InZaneGamer84> yeah it's different
[05:43] <InZaneGamer84> bpaste.org
[05:43] <InZaneGamer84> bpaste.net i mean
[05:43] <InZaneGamer84> its late im sleepy
[05:44] <swear000> prime-select command not found
[05:45] <InZaneGamer84> type 'intel' and hit tab. what comes up
[05:46] <swear000> intel-virtual-output
[05:46] <InZaneGamer84> i still don't think your desktop is in hardware acceleration mode
[05:46] <InZaneGamer84> im looking
[05:49] <InZaneGamer84> open up system settings and go to software and updates
[05:49] <InZaneGamer84> you see a drivers tab?
[05:50] <InZaneGamer84> on second thought i think the intel drivers are in the kernel
[05:50] <InZaneGamer84> you said you updated the kernel?
[05:50] <InZaneGamer84> the new kernel has bugs in it im hearing
[05:50] <InZaneGamer84> so idk
[05:52] <swear000> yes the new kernel is buggy.  Once I clear the journal of errors, I will recompile and be able to use some features.  Get some rest and thanks for checking
[05:53] <InZaneGamer84> np
[08:17] <semitones> Kiwis and Australians of #ubuntu
[08:18] <semitones> If i'm logging in remotely with ssh, should I be creating just one keypair for myself and reusing it, or making one keypair for each device like i've been doing
[08:18] <semitones> literally awakened in the middle of the night by this thought
[08:33] <superschnell> I regularly lose connection to my BT speaker and when I do (usually after leaving my laptop on for the night), Ubuntu loses the abilty to see any devices in a scan
[08:33] <superschnell> How can I fix this?
[09:07] <ajnr> Hi how to check Moherboard board chipset series and chipset number are exists in my system?  theoritically I have Intel B 365
[09:09] <cluelessperson> couldn't login just now, login password box showed a spinning wheel next to it forever
[09:14] <NETSOF> Good Morning
[09:34] <cadabrax> Hi, I'm getting this error (corrupted cache) when running apt update. I tried apt clean and deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/* but it's still there. How can I fix? The error: https://dpaste.org/pnqg
[09:35] <cadabrax> I also tried deleting the mentioned file (/var/lib/dpkg/status) but got an error so I put it back.
[09:35] <cadabrax> an error that the file was missing, that is.
[10:02] <gebbione> Am I doing anything wrong when i try to mount this samba share or is it really a permission error ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9qQVFxMkND/
[10:22] <lesshaste> when I leave chromium over night and come back it decides it can't connect to the internet. chromium is currently in that state
[10:22] <lesshaste> is this a known problem and what I can I do?
[10:38] <shibboleth> anyone have/use a lenovo ultra dock?
[11:04] <gebbione> lesshaste, use chrome
[11:05] <lesshaste> gebbione, hmm
[11:20] <InZaneGamer84> does firefox release a damn update every other day?
[11:20] <InZaneGamer84> they need to stop
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> InZaneGamer84: this is the ubuntu support channel, not the complaints channel
[11:22] <InZaneGamer84> lotuspsychje: indeed!
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[11:23] <InZaneGamer84> #firefox
[11:23] <InZaneGamer84> whoops
[11:40] <InZaneGamer84> can someone help me understand why I've lost WRITE access on all my disks? drive topology > https://bpa.st/LW5Q
[12:45] <chilversc> with scp, can I copy a remote directory into an existing local directory without it creating a sub-directory? e.g. something like; scp -r remote:/foo/bar ./output without it creating output/bar?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:49] <masterkorp> Hello
[12:49] <masterkorp> I am trying to downgrade the kernel but I cant
[12:49] <masterkorp> I did  sudo apt remove linux-image-5.4.0-65-generic linux-headers-5.4.0-65
[12:50] <masterkorp> but on reboot uname -a is sitll 5.4.0-65-generic
[12:54] <BluesKaj> masterkorp, try sudo apt-get remove --purge 5.4.0-65, if that's your real issue.
[12:55] <masterkorp> tried, aftter a reboot it sill boots onto 5.4.0-65
[12:55] <BluesKaj> or sudo apt remove  --purge 5.4.0-65
[13:04] <BluesKaj> masterkorp, first of all why are you trying to downgrade?
[13:05] <EriC^^> chilversc: maybe if "output" doesnt exist, havent tried it though
[13:14] <masterkorp> BluesKaj amdgpu pro drivers wont work
[13:14] <masterkorp> I need to bot to an older kernel
[13:18] <BluesKaj> the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu driver is the probly the correct driver if the gpu is one of these families, Bonaire, Hawaii, Kaveri, Kabini Mullins, Iceland, Tonga, Carrizo, Fiji, Stoney.
[13:19] <masterkorp> yeah, opencl is broken on those, all I want is to downgrade now
[13:23] <BluesKaj> masterkorp, it doesn't matter what you want, it's what you need that will work, downgrading a kernel is rather drastic
[13:24] <masterkorp> yes it is, i've been wat this for 2 days
[13:24] <masterkorp> https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/can-t-install-amdgpu-drivers-on-ubuntu-20-04-1-5-4-0-56-generic/td-p/426676/page/8
[13:24] <masterkorp> here is proof
[13:26] <masterkorp> https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/amdgpu-20-40-fails-on-fresh-install-of-ubuntu-20-04-1/m-p/439978
[13:26] <masterkorp> more proff
[13:27] <masterkorp> https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/amdgpu-20-40-fails-on-fresh-install-of-ubuntu-20-04-1/m-p/439978
[13:34] <BluesKaj> whynot install one of kernels that will work rather than removing the current one, then remove it after you're sure the new one works
[13:54] <devon> System fails to notice speakers plugged in, how to fix?
[13:58] <chilversc> EriC^^: yeah, if it doesn't exist it works fine, I just wanted it to be easily repeatable without needing to delete the output folder first
[14:01] <EriC^^> chilversc: you could always use rsync, rsync -av /dir/ /output   would copy the contents only  (because of the trailing "/" after dir)
[14:12] <emilsp> Will 20.10 ever get this commit backported to it's NM? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/commit/4ddfc5c14b6f82d802988332d92a7e05b18d1ff0 This breaks VPN clients that set their DNS directly via systemd-resolved.
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: do you have an ubuntu bug ID about this?
[14:32] <emilsp> lotuspsychje: I do not, and I think I can't find a relevant one, should I create one?
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: if you want the devs to debug something, i would consider find en existing ID and affect yourself, or create a new one
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager browse here for the existing ones
[14:34] <emilsp> I'm already looking at those :)
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> great
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: thank you to file bug #1915153
[14:46] <rockdarko> I was troubleshooting a problem with mail until I tried the same on centos/arch with no problem. Basically, the mail/mailx packages from mailutils have slightly changed (ie -A instead of -a for attachement -a is now append header). Problem is mail delivery works but when I include an attachment although it gets there fine I lose the body. I can't find anything about that.
[14:46] <rockdarko> I get the body just fine if I remove the attachment
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: could you also run: apport-collect 1915153 from a terminal please
[14:46] <rockdarko> in both cases mail delivery occurs successfully
[14:49] <emilsp> lotuspsychje: will do, thanks for the tip :)
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: thank you, the devs will be able to debug better with all logs pulled into the bug
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: if you find a second user to affect your bug, it will get auto confirmed and get more attention, tnx for the apport collect
[15:07] <newlinux^> can someone tell me what is round robin chain?
[15:08] <leftyfb> newlinux^: in what context?
[15:08] <newlinux^> proxychains
[15:44] <emilsp> lotuspsychje: lots of our users have been complaining about this, but I'm not entirely sure if it'd be right to direct them to this bug.
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> emilsp: well im sure the devs will also look upstream, see whats next to proceed, the user heat cant do much harm
[15:46] <emilsp> fair, will do.
[16:05] <Annoyed> Greetings... Is there something with the 20.04.2 server installer that won't install as EFI? This is a machine that had 18.04 on it, in EFI mode.. but the 20.04.2 installer seems to want a BIOS boot partition
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Annoyed, maybe this is relevant, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PTPdwFhk6H/
[16:27] <Maik> BluesKaj: they said it was only for the desktop flavors, no mention of the servers
[16:28] <BluesKaj> Maik, ok
[16:29] <Annoyed> yeah, doesn't seem relevant... It installs and  boots, but in BIOS mode, not EFI
[16:29] <BluesKaj> do you have secure boot or fast boot enabled?
[16:30] <Annoyed> I just created a new installer USB using Rufus, rather than pendrive linux.. something I read says that works better
[16:31] <Maik> rufus isn't recommended afaik. BalenaEtcher is used often though.
[16:33] <oerheks> must be a setting missed, rufus.. i don't like it either https://rufus.ie/pics/rufus_en.png
[16:33] <oerheks> 2 settings actually
[16:33] <oerheks> 2nd as shown, bios or uefi
[16:34] <ennozdd> hi I installaed a snap package, I want to stop a running snap program how do I do it?
[16:34] <Annoyed> Fast boot is off, don't know about secure.. will look at that if this attempt fails
[16:35] <oerheks> ennozdd, can you explain what snap you want to stop?
[16:35] <ennozdd> is systemctl stop snapd.nextcloud.* a good idea?
[16:35] <ennozdd> it's nextcloud
[16:35] <Annoyed> Ahh! it seems to have been the pendrive / Rufus.. Rufus seems to be doing it with the EFI bootg
[16:38] <Annoyed> heh.. but the installer seems to choke on adding a GPT partition to the RAID 0 array
[16:39] <ennozdd> oerheks: oh shit, "snap stop nextcloud" did the trick :)
[16:40] <oerheks> good find, i was reading sudo systemctl stop/disable snap.nextcloud.apache
[16:40] <ogra> yeah, dont use systemctl with snaps directly
[16:41] <ogra> snap stop/start/logs/etc
[16:41] <oerheks> ogra, agreed, not easy to find with nextcloud manual
[16:41] <ogra> (see "snap help" for more)
[16:42] <ogra> https://github.com/nextcloud/nextcloud-snap has some nextcloud specific info too
[16:42]  * oerheks bookmarks
[16:42] <Annoyed> Oh, well, I can set up the RAID later.. If I can get the thing installed and booting correctly
[16:44] <ennozdd> ogra: can I ask you a question, I need help with deployment of two programs
[16:44] <ennozdd> ogra: I want to set up tiny tiny rss and nextcloud on my 1gb ram vps, but each program wants to listen on port 80
[16:45] <ennozdd> should I look for docker containers or snap packages? or maybe reverse proxy?
[16:46] <gebbione> reverse proxy, edge reverse proxy like traefik
[16:46] <Annoyed> Anyone got an idea about long time (2 min+) network setup?  "A start job is running for Wait for Network"  seems to be no time limit? Takes 2 min, 7 seconds
[16:46] <Annoyed> Get that during bootup
[16:46] <gebbione> ennozdd, the previous message was for you
[16:48] <ogra> ennozdd, well, docker wont help you, tere is only one port 80 on the host ... cant you just chnage the app config to listen on 81 or some such ?
[16:50] <ogra> ennozdd, i.e. see the link that i posted above, it tells you you can change the default port of nextcloud with: sudo snap set nextcloud ports.http=81
[16:50] <ennozdd> ogra: I just checked for ttrss snap but it doesn't even exists  unfortunately
[16:50] <ogra> ennozdd, https://github.com/nextcloud/nextcloud-snap for completeness ...
[16:53] <Annoyed> Yep, that was it.. Gotta use Rufus to create the installer USB
[17:04] <ennozdd> ogra: that's a good workaround but there will be 3 web servers running. port numbers can be confusing. I'd prefer something like cloud/adguard/ttrss.example.com/  so I guess I'll go docker way and set up a reverse proxy
[17:05] <ennozdd> I hope docker won't eat up all the ram I got
[17:09] <pikapika> How can you check the status of an apt update/upgrade running in the background?
[17:09] <pikapika> ie the automatic ones started by the os itself
[17:09] <pikapika> not a manually started apt
[17:10] <leftyfb> pikapika: tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log
[17:10] <ogra> ennozdd, good luck !
[17:11] <pikapika> How can you check the status of an apt update/upgrade running in the background?
[17:11] <pikapika> ie the automatic ones started by the os itself
[17:11] <pikapika> not a manually started apt
[17:11] <pikapika> (I think my last messages hadn't reached)
[17:11] <ThinkT510> pikapika: leftyfb answered you: tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log
[17:13] <oerheks> tail /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades-dpkg.log , but leftyfb's answer should do too
[17:13] <pikapika> leftyfb, already checked that file
[17:13] <pikapika> Seems it hasn't flushed the present logs to disk yet
[17:13] <pikapika> ThinkT510, yes thank you
[17:13] <leftyfb> pikapika: that's not how it works. It's realtime.
[17:14] <leftyfb> pikapika: if you don't see something in that log, then the package hasn't been upgraded yet
[17:14] <pikapika> But as I said, I think it hasn't flushed the new entries yet
[17:14] <pikapika> Because the last entry it shows is from a few days ago
[17:14] <leftyfb> pikapika: as I said, that's not how it works, it's realime
[17:15] <leftyfb> pikapika: then nothing has been installed or upgraded in a few days
[17:15] <leftyfb> pikapika: or your system is broken or not ubuntu
[17:15] <pikapika> Ok
[17:22] <pikapika>  /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade --download-only
[17:22] <pikapika> This is the script thats running
[17:22] <leftyfb> pikapika: ok?
[17:23] <pikapika> Was just trying to see what/how the automatic upgrade was invoked
[17:23] <leftyfb> pikapika: just because it's running doesn't mean it's doing anything
[17:23] <leftyfb> pikapika: it's part of the service that runs
[17:25] <leftyfb> pikapika: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
[17:25] <pikapika> Ah, thanks
[17:26] <pikapika> Ha
[17:27] <pikapika> Found it
[17:27] <pikapika> tail -f /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
[17:27] <pikapika> This is the file that is showing new updates at the present time
[17:27] <pikapika> leftyfb, this file seems to be showing new changes
[17:29] <leftyfb> pikapika: can you point to a package listed in unattended-upgrades.log as being installed and not also showing up in dpkg.log?
[17:37] <pikapika> INFO No packages found that can be upgraded unattended and no pending auto-removals
[17:37] <pikapika> leftyfb
[17:37] <pikapika> So I guess the process just checked for updates, found nothing, then went quiet
[18:10] <P-NuT> Hi all. How difficult is it to take a working ubuntu desktop installation, and make it boot from PXE to a machine, but the file system is entirley a ram drive.
[18:10] <P-NuT> As in there is no disk drive in this machine.
[18:13] <grkblood13> does landscape perform the same type of tasks via respect to baseline management that ansible does?
[18:13] <leftyfb> !landscape | grkblood13
[18:17] <grkblood13> im not seeing anything saying it does configuration management on the level ansible does, but everything is high level that im reading.
[18:17] <grkblood13> i probably need to watch an extensive demo of what it does
[18:18] <leftyfb> grkblood13: it's not meant to do detailed configuration management
[18:19] <Intelo> What protocols/techniques do video/screen share software like zoom, anydesk, teamviewer use? And which ones are the most efficient (protocol wise speaking)?
[18:19] <Intelo> I want to make my own. Which language would be appropriate?
[18:19] <leftyfb> !ot | Intelo
[18:20] <Intelo> leftyfb: ok
[18:23] <grkblood13> I dont think it handles automated deployments either. atleast I haven't read about it yet.
[18:24] <leftyfb> nope
[18:24] <oerheks> Intelo, 3 examples of prop. protocols, ask the internet
[18:25] <Intelo> oerheks: ok
[18:29] <grkblood13> do you have a suggestion for automated deployment software to run on ubuntu?
[18:29] <leftyfb> grkblood13: ansible
[18:29] <leftyfb> grkblood13: or something like MAAS
[18:30] <grkblood13> thanks
[19:21] <iamtheworstdev> it seems like my usb subsystem keeps failing.. (my speakers pop and I lose my mouse/kbd).. I'm not even sure where to begin troubleshooting that / what logs .. anyone have some pointers?
[19:21] <iamtheworstdev> the computer stays up.. any animations going on stay animated.. slack updates.. etc.. I just can't use any USB devices.. even if I plug new ones in
[19:30] <sarnold> iamtheworstdev: dmesg, journalctl are probably the places to start looking
[19:36] <leftyfb> iamtheworstdev: if you can reproduce this, either by waiting X minutes/hours, then see if you can replicate it with your keyboard working or not working in your BIOS after said time. If that doesn't reproduce, try a live cd/usb
[19:46] <iamtheworstdev> leftyfb, it always works just fine after reboot.. like now
[19:46] <iamtheworstdev> that was a forced DC because I lost usb again
[19:49] <iamtheworstdev> Feb 09 14:45:29 pop-os gsd-usb-protect[6512]: Error calling USBGuard DBus to set a clean configuration state: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.usbguard1 was not provided by any .service fil>
[19:52] <oerheks> so you installed usbguard, that is bugging you?
[19:52] <oerheks> or is this standard in PoP-os?
[19:52] <iamtheworstdev> i don't know what usbguard is
[19:53] <iamtheworstdev> I'll go with a popos thing
[19:53] <oerheks> !info usbguard
[19:53] <iamtheworstdev> thatr's the only error I see before a bunch of device disconnects come running through
[19:53] <oerheks> it is optional, so remove it ? sudo apt remove usbguard
[19:53] <leftyfb> !popos | iamtheworstdev
[20:04] <legonick> Hello!  Anyone a ntpdate-debian expert?
[20:04] <legonick> I'm wondering what options are available for /etc/default/ntpdate.
[20:08] <oerheks> #debian is full with experts..
[20:08] <oerheks> Since Ubuntu 16.04 timedatectl / timesyncd (which are part of systemd) replace most of ntpdate / ntp
[20:08] <leftyfb> oerheks: they're referring to the binary called ntpdate-debian which is part of the ntpsec-ntpdate package
[20:08] <legonick> @oerheks, cool, thanks, I'll ping over there.
[20:09] <legonick> ntpdate-debian is run when an interface is brought up.  It uses /etc/default/ntpdate.  I'm not sure what options are available in that config. file.  Looking for a way to disable it.
[20:10] <oerheks> i have found a howto for 20.04 https://www.tecmint.com/install-ntp-server-and-client-on-ubuntu/
[20:11] <Aavar> Hi. It seems that Linux Mint (and most other modern distros) are using <IP_ADDRESS> as the name-server. How can I change this and use the DNS from the DHCP-server instead?
[20:12] <leftyfb> Aavar: are you running mint or ubuntu?
[20:12] <Aavar> leftyfb: I'm sorry. Posted in both channels. I am using mint on this PC, but I have the same issue on mu ubuntu-machine next to me.
[20:13] <leftyfb> Aavar: <IP_ADDRESS> is just pointing to systemd-resolved running on your machine. You machine IS using the DNS provided by DHCP. You can see it by running systemd-resolve --status|grep "DNS Servers"
[20:16] <realies> mercurial seems broken on 20.04?
[20:17] <realies> https://dpaste.org/7OEZ/slim
[20:17] <Aavar> leftyfb: Strange. If I run nslookup (or host) it shows I am using <IP_ADDRESS>... and it does not resolve names that is only on my dns delivered from dhcp. If this is the default behaviour. Is there a "right" way to turn it off?
[20:18] <oerheks> python 2.7 from previous install, realies ?
[20:18] <realies> oerheks, fresh docker container, my vm does the same
[20:18] <leftyfb> Aavar: run: host <hostname>  # pick a hostname from your local network
[20:20] <oerheks> realies, how did you install? python3 -m pip install mercurial ?
[20:20] <oerheks> 2.7 is not standard, AFAIK.
[20:21] <sarnold> mercurial-common: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mercurial/dispatch.py
[20:21] <realies> oerheks, it clones https://www.mercurial-scm.org/repo/hg fine
[20:21] <sarnold> it might have been packaged
[20:21] <Aavar> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cnZyjBkVvB/
[20:21] <leftyfb> Aavar: ok, now:  host aa-srv4 <ip-of-your-local-dns-server>
[20:22] <Aavar> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gbfM4KszTM/
[20:22] <oerheks> oh, they are not ready yet... https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/Python3
[20:23] <leftyfb> Aavar: and is <IP_ADDRESS> what results from systemd-resolve --status|grep "DNS Servers" ?
[20:24] <Aavar> leftyfb: Yes it is :)
[20:25] <leftyfb> Aavar: then something isn't right
[20:25] <leftyfb> Aavar: is it the only DNS server that shows up?
[20:26] <Aavar> leftyfb: Actually, it shows up twice for some reason. That might be my fault for tinkering with it. Let me check my other machine.
[20:27] <leftyfb> Aavar: also, what exactly is in your /etc/resolv.conf ?
[20:28] <Aavar> leftyfb: Actually. On my other machine it shows twice aswell.
[20:28] <leftyfb> Aavar: what OS's are you running on these 2 machines?
[20:29] <Aavar> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jWV8w7ymkg/
[20:29] <Aavar> leftyfb: Ubuntu 20.04 and linux mint 20.1
[20:30] <leftyfb> Aavar: nmcli device show | less   # look through this and find the DNS servers mentioned
[20:30] <Aavar> Maybe there is a way to refresh the systemd-dns?
[20:31] <Aavar> leftyfb: Do you want me co copy and paste the lines?
[20:32] <leftyfb> Aavar: nah, just look for lines beginning with "IP4.DNS" and confirm if it's your 157 address or something else
[20:33] <Aavar> leftyfb: Yes, there is one line and it is the correct server.
[20:34] <leftyfb> Aavar: systemctl status systemd-resolved   # is it running?
[20:35] <Aavar> leftyfb: yes (and btw. It's resolving domains from the internet :))
[20:36] <Aavar> leftyfb: Maybe there is something wrong with my network (router?)?
[20:37] <leftyfb> Aavar: no, because when we specify the DNS server (router?) explicitly it works. I'm not sure what's wrong. Everything looks to be setup correctly
[20:38] <Aavar> leftyfb: I did find a hack to fix it. I can change the resolv.conf manually and set it read only. It's a hack, but it works :)
[20:39] <leftyfb> Aavar: I consider that a broken system. Great for troubleshooting to find the actual problem, but not a good long-term solution. Especially not for every machine on your network
[20:39] <Aavar> leftyfb: i'll do that for now. Maybe i'll ask the same question in a few months time. Thank you for trying :)
[20:39] <Aavar> leftyfb: I'll try to google it some more. At least I know how it is supposed to work :)
[20:51] <jayjo-> does launchpad support ecdsa openpgp keys?
[21:00] <sarnold> jayjo-: it might just be worth trying it; I can't spot a clear answer in the source one way or another
[21:07] <Sbur3> I''m using Ubuntu 20.10.  When I update, I get a notification that one source doesn't have a Release .... How do I remove the ppa for Mixxx?
[21:07] <sarnold> Sbur3: there's a ppa-purge package that provides a tool to help with that
[21:07] <oerheks> Sbur3, open software settings, disabl;e it from that gui
[21:08] <oerheks> no need for furter actions, as it should never have installed anything
[21:08] <sarnold> heh
[21:08] <oerheks> focal was the last one https://launchpad.net/~mixxx/+archive/ubuntu/mixxx
[21:09] <Sbur3> It is something to download ppa-purge?
[21:09] <oerheks> no need to use that heavy tool, it reverses packages and removes the list
[21:09] <oerheks> al you need to do is disable it
[21:12] <Sbur3> oerheks: Disable ... how?
[21:13] <oerheks> with your mouse?
[21:13] <oerheks> how? read back, software settings
[21:15] <jayjo-> sarnold: import wasn't working, I was wondering if that might be why. I did try and RSA key and it worked OK, so I think EdDSA/ECDSA is unsupported
[21:15] <sarnold> jayjo-: dang :(
[21:16] <oerheks> indeed, Launchpad does not currently support EdDSA - it currently supports RSA, DSA, and ElGamal key
[21:16] <Sbur3> oerheks: I opened system settings
[21:19] <Sbur3> oerheks: I can t find what to do with ppa
[21:20] <oerheks> system-settings <> software-settings
[21:24] <Sbur3> oerheks: Is there a command to get rid of the ppa for mixxx ...cuz ppa-purge didn t work
[21:26] <chef_trip> hi i've been googling and still can't figure out how to resolve my xorg .xauthority issues. it's an old macbook pro from 2008 and has run fine for years with various linux distros until now. now none of my partitions are able to boot except for the small mac os partition which i guess i need to keep but never use
[21:27] <chef_trip> i did sudo startx and finally got a GUI but, something weird and i couldn't log out, only back to terminal for sudo reboot
[21:30] <chef_trip> i can't understand the log files output. i tried to install nvidia drivers, which have worked in the past. but now upon bootup the MBP displays a moklist error
[21:31] <chef_trip> could not create moklistrt
[21:50] <bobo87> hi, can I have technical question?
[21:51] <sarnold> yes
[21:52]  * tonyt tosses a technical question towards bobo87 direction
[21:53] <bobo87> thanks, I have notebook (Dell G7 17 7790), where windows was wiped out and kubuntu 20.04 was installed, everything looks normally, but there are frequent (once a week) disk corruption problems (on rotational disk), what should be next steps, to decide, if it is a SW or HW problem, or what to do next?
[21:54] <sarnold> what's in dmesg or journalctl output?
[21:55] <bobo87> last messages currently after reboot are like "EXT4-fs error (device sda2): ext4_lookup:1701: inode #14427630: comm Thread (pooled): iget: checksum invalid", there was no power shortages or things like that
[21:58] <bobo87> gsmartcontrol short self test was ok, now running extened one
[22:05] <bobo87> most often, problems are with files, that were last accessed (like browser cache), but it is not strict, I also saw problems with files, that I haven't touched few weeks
[22:05] <leftyfb> bobo87: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/disk-check.html.en
[22:06] <leftyfb> bobo87: if that doesn't come up healthy, time to get a new drive
[22:07] <bobo87> here is pastebin from smart (but it says, that overall health test passed) https://pastebin.com/7nbcKYnU it's ok to change drive, I just want to be sure, it solves problem :)
[22:09] <bobo87> ouch,I was kicked or disconnected for a moment
[22:12] <sarnold> bobo87: you didn't miss anything while you were gone; look through your journalctl logs to try to find *why* you've got errors
[22:17] <bobo87> I don't have enough experience to be sure about that - I only see results from kernel, that says, there are errors
[22:26] <SanShi> ey
[22:26] <SanShi> i have typed "ls" into a terminal to show the content of the directory, but nothin happened.
[22:26] <SanShi> what is wrong
[22:27] <oerheks> maybe nothing is wrong?
[22:27] <sarnold> SanShi: depending upon what exactly "nothing" means, maybe you need to hit ^Q to unpause the terminal
[22:27] <oerheks> check what folder you are in, under what user?
[22:28] <SanShi> it immediatly shows the prompt again
[22:28] <oerheks> try ls -la # shows hidden files... else there is nothing there
[22:28] <sarnold> ah, empty directory then?
[22:28] <Curious> Are there jails on linux based distros?
[22:29] <SanShi> oh
[22:29] <SanShi> it is an empty directory
[22:29] <oerheks> Curious, on ubuntu? yes http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man8/jailkit.8.html
[22:29] <SanShi> only . and ..
[22:30] <Curious> oerheks: thanks
[22:30] <bobo87> if SMART extended check shows no problem, what should be done next? :)
[22:31] <sarnold> Curious: you can also supply apparmor policy (on some distros), selinux policy (on other distros), seccomp2 policies, use namespacing to provide various virtualized views of the OS, virtualization to provide entire virtualized machines, etc..
[22:34] <Curious> I was mostly curious about container solutions, Docker is fairly poor solution for persistent data (like holding databases for example), I know it's possible to bind or assign volumes or whatnot, but it's just not as satisfying. Something like chroot is a lot more satisfying in my opinion
[22:34] <sarnold> Curious: you may enjoy lxd
[22:35] <oerheks> indeed, lxd comes in mind too
[22:35] <Curious> sarnold: is there a quick guide for LXD so I could get my feet wet, see what it's all about and how it ticks?
[22:36] <Curious> why is there an emoji -_-
[22:36] <leftyfb> Curious: https://ubuntu.com/blog/lxd-in-4-easy-steps
[22:36] <sarnold> leftyfb: oh yeah, nice find, that's better than what I was finding
[22:40] <Curious> LXD seems nice
[23:05] <chef_trip> greetings everyone. i'm having trouble getting to a GUI after installing proprietary graphics drivers(ubuntu 20.10). is this a good place to seek help for this problem? googling hasn't helped
[23:08] <sarnold> chef_trip: yeah, this is pretty good
[23:09] <chef_trip> sarnold, thanks, well, i have been using this old macbook pro for over a decade,loads of different linux distros on it, since 2009 full time. and the performance with nvidia is so much better i really need to use it, but now i have a black screen with a cursor
[23:10] <sarnold> nvidia doesn't support everything forever
[23:11] <sarnold> ubuntu-drivers should know what can work out, though; how did you install the new drivers?
[23:11] <chef_trip> sarnold, i've had this problem before, but always resort to a reinstalls rather than tackling the solution, because i've never been able to sort it out. on this machine i've successfully installed nvidia drivers with Lubuntu 20.10, and now it doesn't work, i don't know why, it did before, same install
[23:13] <chef_trip> also, MX Linux was able to install the drivers successfully, but now also not working. this is after cloning a drive with clonezilla btw, so it should be byte for byte exactly the same, right?
[23:14] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[23:15] <oerheks> it all depends on wht macbook pro actually
[23:15] <chef_trip> i believe i've done that before
[23:15] <oerheks> and which nvidia, 9400?
[23:15] <chef_trip> it's a macbook pro 4,1 geforce 8600m gt
[23:16] <chef_trip> i believe it's the nvidia 340
[23:16] <chef_trip> 340.108 iirc
[23:20] <oerheks> i find no other answer than the nomodeset tweak
[23:23] <chef_trip> nomodeset right after quiet splash?
[23:24] <oerheks> yes
[23:28] <chef_trip> in the past i've been able to get a slow but working gui with sudo apt remove or purge nvdia-* and if necessary installing nouveau drivers, but that's not working this time. i get can't write to xauthority errors, and xorg log file stuff which i don't understand, but this time no. what does work is sudo startx, but it's a very weird desktop, and i can't logout. i think you shouldn't run startx as sudo but i tried it and it
[23:28] <chef_trip> (sorta) worked, so, the drivers are there that work, and i deleted xauthority files, that's when sudo startx worked, but now i'm stumped
[23:29] <chef_trip> nomodeset just booted to an apparently hung verbose screen, but ctrl alt f2 gave me a tty terminal (or whatever it's called)
[23:30] <Sven_vB> with Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS focal, Xfce 4.14, pavucontrol 4.0-1build1, how can I open two instances of pavucontrol, to see output and input devices next to each other? in xenial, I could run pavucontrol --tab 3 & pavucontrol --tab 4 & and get two instances. however, in bionic, it seems to just switch tabs in the one single instance.
[23:35] <Gojira000032> Hi, does anyone know if nano has a shortcut to insert characteres? Replace characters instead of add characters on cursor position.
[23:37] <sarnold> Gojira000032: I don't know nano and I don't really understand the question, but try hitting the 'insert' key on your keyboard and see if that does the trick
[23:37] <oerheks> on the bottom you can read ^\ replace
[23:39] <Sven_vB> what other program than pavucontrol could I use in Ubuntu focal to manage which program's audio goes to which speaker/headset and how loud?
[23:40] <Sven_vB> (and which microphone which program should record from)
[23:40] <sarnold> Sven_vB: probably pactl and pacmd can do that
[23:40] <Sven_vB> sarnold, right. I forgot "graphical" program :)
[23:41] <Sven_vB> worst case I could run alsamixer in a terminal window, but a real GUI would be nicer
[23:43] <Sven_vB> maybe someone in #pulseaudio will know how I can fix pavucontrol.
[23:44] <octav1a> plug in SATA disk and get SRST failed (errno=-16) a few times, then "reset failed, giving up". Does that mean the drive is dead / unrecoverable?
[23:47] <genii> octav1a: Not neccesarily. If it is in some external enclosure it might not be getting enough power
[23:48] <octav1a> It's just a standard ATX power supply cable, 3.5" hdd, and it audibly / tactily spins up.
[23:52] <Sven_vB> you may be lucky enough that it's just something about electrical connection, maybe the cable.
[23:53] <Sven_vB> octav1a, ^
[23:53] <genii> octav1a: SRST failure means it was unable to initiate communications with the drive after trying to reset it. If the drive is actually physically ok then the usual cuplrits are loose connectors, or inadequate power supply
[23:54] <genii> The errors which are usually the death signs are not SRST but flat-out I/O errors
[23:54] <octav1a> Ok, maybe I will try it in another system....
[23:54] <octav1a> That's what I thought as well.


[12:13] <poningru> 57366
[07:30] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco
[07:31] <jsgotangco> hey Madpilot how are you doing?
[07:31] <Madpilot> good. Not had much time for things Ubuntu lately, though. Busy summer.
[07:32] <jsgotangco> same here
[07:33] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:34] <LaserJock> mine kinda went like not had much time for things Real Life lately
[07:34] <LaserJock> but that might be a priorities problem
[07:35] <Madpilot> I found time for http://www.warbard.ca/temp/CthulhubuntuLogo.png so it might be a priorites problem for me, too ;)
[07:35] <Madpilot> priorities, even
[07:53] <jsgotangco> haha
[07:53] <jsgotangco> you are making hp lovecraft proud
[07:54] <Madpilot> something like that ;)
[07:55] <Madpilot> I want to redo the bars of the Ubuntu logo as tentacles, though ;)
[07:55] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:55] <jsgotangco> the eyeballs are awesome hehe
[07:55] <jsgotangco> like some old Misfits song
[08:05] <nixternal> shh...im trying to get some sleep ;)
[08:10] <jsgotangco> bah
[08:10] <nixternal> heheh
[08:15] <jsgotangco> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00099BRUE/ref=m_art_li_8/104-6093206-8749539?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=5174
[08:15] <jsgotangco> bwahaha
[08:15] <jsgotangco> nixternal: were the patches you sent applied?
[08:15] <nixternal> most of them yes
[08:15] <nixternal> the latest ones with the global.ent changes no
[08:16] <jsgotangco> oh im not going to mess up that file and let mdke handle it
[08:17] <nixternal> it is very small changes anyways
[08:18] <nixternal> fixes kernel, gcc, and glibc versions, and changes channel names for irc to all be the same style, and a couple of kubuntu links
[08:20] <jsgotangco> if this wasn't a -doc channel, someone would think you did a kernel patch hen
[08:20] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:22] <nixternal> lol
[07:31] <jjesse> don't cry :)
[07:31] <nixternal> lol
[07:48] <mhz> hi all
[07:48] <jjesse> hello mhz
[07:49] <mhz> Guys, The MoinMoin team (actually, mostly xorAxAx) has finished the development of a  Moin instances syncing tool
[07:49] <mhz> That means wiki admins or some users with ACL may sync 2  moin instances in a userfriendly env.
[07:49] <mhz> jjesse: hey
[07:51] <mhz> Also, there is an implementation to send CC emails to a certain known<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so the subject can become a name for a wikipage and the body can become the content of the page
[07:51] <jjesse> that sounds really cool
[07:52] <mhz> Indeed, esp. because it will speed up collaboration
[07:53] <mhz> oh, well, there is also a Gantt Chart plugin but it demands knowledge of xml syntax
[07:53] <mhz> to generate the actual chart
[07:53] <jjesse> nice
[07:55] <mhz> yup
[07:55] <mhz> and 1.6 soon, so that we could use these new features
[07:56] <mhz> BTW, Who is responsible for the Help.Doc CSS?
[07:56] <jjesse> mhz: i don't know
[07:56] <mhz> thx
[07:57] <Burgwork> mhz, mdke_ is
[07:58] <mhz> Burgwork: okas, thx
[07:58] <mhz> Burgwork: and you know about his policies to wiki upgrading ?
[07:59] <Burgwork> that would be canonical, not mdke_
[08:00] <mhz> oh
[08:00] <mhz> and to whom I can ask about it?
[08:04] <Burgwork> mdke_ can be our conduit for that too
[08:07] <mhz> okis
[09:11] <mdz> do any of you happen to know if we have a step-by-step guide (with screenshots) to updating your system with Update Manager?
[09:13] <nixternal> ooh, i haven't seen one
[09:13] <nixternal> only step-by-step updating guide i have seen is the one that ubotu lists when you do !dist-upgrade in a channel
[09:16] <Burgwork> mdz, I have never seen one, but it wouldn't be too hard to do
[09:17] <nixternal> need to do one for each flavor
[09:18] <Burgwork> nixternal, yep
[09:18] <nixternal> you know what..i must say, there is something about the 'Human Theme' that draws me to Ubuntu
[09:18] <nixternal> i just installed it on my other setup
[09:18] <nixternal> it looks good, ....
[09:20] <Burgwork> you will get sucked in by the simplicity and beauty of GNOME
[09:20] <nixternal> heh
[09:21] <nixternal> Windows Vista has a better chance of pulling me away from KDE ;)
[09:21] <Burgwork> mdz, do you want one made?
[09:26] <nixternal> i can work on a kubuntu one here.. i am using edgy, so i have the new purple display, not the old dapper bubble blue...but functionality is still the same
[09:27] <nixternal> actually...i will dapper install in vmware, and upgrade that way so i can get the real deal
[09:27] <nixternal> it would be hard for me to upgrade from edgy to edgy ;)
[09:27] <jjesse> is there a kubuntu updater like the one ubuntu has?
[09:27] <nixternal> adept
[09:28] <jjesse> i know, but doesn't ubuntu have a special update tooL?
[09:28] <nixternal> actually
[09:28] <Burgwork> jjesse, yes, it does
[09:28] <Burgwork> via update-manager
[09:29] <nixternal> which is adept...i think it pops up a window to tell you there is a new version
[09:29] <nixternal> and then you can update that way
[09:29] <jjesse> well if i change my sources.list for edgy i will update to edgy through adept updater
[09:29] <Burgwork> right
[09:30] <nixternal> i really can't answer truthfully..i have never allowed a version of KUbuntu to get to that point...im using edgy from knot1 already..no more dapper in the house
[09:31] <Burgwork> mdz was specifically speaking of the Ubuntu tool, however
[09:31] <mdz> Burgwork: there seems to be a procedure in the desktop guide, but no screenshots
[09:31] <mdz> it says things like "there will be a red icon" instead
[09:31] <mdz> I think it would be useful to have one, yes
[09:31] <Burgwork> ok, I will look into it
[09:32] <Burgwork> mdz, while I have you, I need the moderator password to -devel
[09:34] <mdz> Burgwork: i don't have it. shall I reset it?
[09:34] <Burgwork> mdz, sounds good
[09:47] <carthik> Does the Planet come under the wings of the doc team?
[09:48] <Burgwork> carthik, not really
[09:48] <Burgwork> carthik, are you an ubuntu member?
[09:49] <carthik> Burgwork, yes.
[09:49] <Burgwork> if you want to add yourself to planet, there are instructions on the wiki
[09:49] <carthik> Was wondering who best to aska question related to anonymity, Burgwork
[09:50] <Burgwork> carthik, anonymity?
[09:50] <Burgwork> talking about ubuntu demon?
[09:50] <carthik> Burgwork ? No.
[09:51] <carthik> Burgwork, I took the liberty of /msg ing you, hope that is okay.
[09:53] <Burgwork> saw that


[00:41]  * Nivex grumbles at his media pc
[00:41] <Nivex> I have a radio scanner connected up to the line-in so I can have the audio on the network
[00:42] <Nivex> but every once in awhile after a reboot the input device port keeps flapping between Rear Microphone and Line-In
[00:42] <Nivex> sometimes just a reboot clears it
[00:42] <Nivex> this time it didn't
[00:42] <Nivex> I have no flippin' idea what is causing it
[17:15] <Nivex> some extended troubleshooting seems to indicate it's in the hardware. unplugged the cable from the computer side and the problem stopped.
[20:04] <holstein> :/


[00:26] <belkinsa> skellat, thanks
[16:30] <skellat> Something to start the afternoon: http://tinysong.com/iu77
[16:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1v1kpmq
[16:30] <skellat> Which would be the song by the group Default: Wasting My Time
[20:18]  * skellat goes back to mowing the lawn


[00:00] <rick_h_> boom, there goes power
[00:00] <rick_h_> thank you battery backup!
[00:00] <rick_h_> and laptops with extended battery power
[01:25] <rick_h_droid> Crap, and no power sucks
[02:25] <jrwren> TeamXlink: you (or students) do not have any first ammendment rights when using someone else's network. youd 'lose the argument in court VERY quickly
[02:25] <TeamXlink> Oh.
[02:25] <TeamXlink> Wait, what argument?
[02:27] <TeamXlink> The comments about the internet usage policy and what not
[02:27] <TeamXlink> Weren't related too the questions:
[02:28] <TeamXlink> [16:50:18] <TeamXlink> How far could you get based on the argument, by signing a document that is mandatory for attending a *public school*, you are signing your constitiutonsl freedoms away?
[02:28] <TeamXlink> [16:50:24] <TeamXlink> Assuming the student is 18, (Or else rights are really vague)
[02:28] <TeamXlink> [16:52:39] <snap-l> TeamXlink: I have no clue
[02:29] <jrwren> oh, what are you signing then?
[02:31] <TeamXlink> Oh, hmmmm
[02:31] <TeamXlink> hold on
[02:31] <TeamXlink> Let me browse my logs again.
[02:32] <TeamXlink> I can't find the part of the log where I was talking about the internet usage policy.
[02:33] <TeamXlink> I think it might have been not saved when I unplugged my pc.
[14:48] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:48] <snap-l> Off to do the grocery shopping.
[16:56] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: ping
[16:56] <devinheitmueller> hello
[16:56] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: pong
[16:56] <rick_h_> hey, need a favor, I picked up an HD antenna, but I need to help find a good place for it in the house
[16:56] <rick_h_> I'm thinking of getting a usb tv tuner for the laptop
[16:56] <rick_h_> and I can test it up stairs/down, etc
[16:57] <rick_h_> suggestions for one that should work ok?
[16:57] <devinheitmueller> You interested in digital or analog support?
[16:57] <rick_h_> running arch linux on 3.0
[16:57] <rick_h_> I want to test if I can get ota HD for the tv
[16:57] <rick_h_> so digital
[16:57] <devinheitmueller> The HVR-950q is pretty good for that.
[16:57] <devinheitmueller> ... and it's well supported in 3.0
[16:57] <devinheitmueller> I don't know about Arch, but Ubuntu ships with the firmware.
[16:57] <rick_h_> ok cool
[16:57] <devinheitmueller> (if not, you can download it from kernellabs)
[16:58] <rick_h_> and any boostrapping of the software side I'll need to scan/test channels?
[16:58] <devinheitmueller> No, just need to install the firmware, and install whatever packages provides "scan"
[16:58] <devinheitmueller> (typically /usr/bin/scan)
[16:58] <rick_h_> ok
[16:59] <devinheitmueller> This wiki article explains the process pretty well, although nothing there is specific to the 950q:  http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-950Q
[16:59] <rick_h_> yea, I figured step 1 was working hardware and then most software should work regardless
[17:00] <devinheitmueller> Correct.  Essentially all drivers implement a common interface which is used by applications such as Kaffeine, tvtime, and MythTV.
[17:00] <devinheitmueller> On second thought, this article is probably a bit better:  http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:OnAir_USB_HDTV_Creator
[17:00] <rick_h_> awesome
[17:01] <devinheitmueller> (use ^ article instead of the 950q article I referenced earlier)
[17:01] <rick_h_> you back in town?
[17:01] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, got back in Wednesday night (but too late for CHC)
[17:02] <rick_h_> ah, cool. Well I'll bring the gear to CHC and if I get stuck I'll bug you :)
[17:02] <rick_h_> thanks for the guidance on it
[17:02] <devinheitmueller> no problem.
[17:02] <devinheitmueller> Your "out of the box" experience should be pretty good as long as you have the firmware installed
[17:02] <devinheitmueller> (if not, you will see an error along the lines of "xc5000-1.4 firmware not found" in the dmesg log.
[17:03] <rick_h_> ivtv-utils is the only package that references hauppuage, so installed that just in case
[17:04] <devinheitmueller> Most packages won't reference a specific vendor.
[17:04] <rick_h_> k
[17:04] <devinheitmueller> ivtv-utils though is a good package to have if you're going to do any work related to analog, since it contains the "v4l2-ctl" tool that lets you query the device.
[17:04] <rick_h_> gotcha, cool
[17:04] <devinheitmueller> You probably need a package along the lines of "dvb-utils" (or something named along those lines)
[17:05] <rick_h_> libdvbpsi linuxtv-dvb-apps me-tv
[17:05] <rick_h_> come up with a dvb search
[17:06] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, probably linuxtv-dvb-apps you want.
[17:06] <devinheitmueller> me-tv is a tv watching application, and libdvbpsi is a library.
[17:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: ping
[17:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: poing
[17:51] <rick_h_> hey, so thinking of checkout out this caribou with the meeting room
[17:51] <rick_h_> how was it?
[17:51] <rick_h_> any kind of board/anything in there?
[17:51] <snap-l> It was pretty nice.
[17:51] <snap-l> There's a board, a TV, and a round table in there
[17:52] <rick_h_> hmmm, cool.
[17:52] <snap-l> Costs $25 in a gift card, which you can use for coffee, or anything in the store
[17:52] <rick_h_> did you check if there was a meeting cost or anything with it?
[17:52] <rick_h_> ah, ok cool
[17:52] <snap-l> so, not free, but definitely amortizable.
[17:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: You got power back, I'm assuming. :)
[17:53] <rick_h_> yea, and gives me some thinking of the whole idea of something more meeting like sometimes
[17:53] <rick_h_> heh yea
[17:53] <rick_h_> around 3am
[17:53] <rick_h_> so out for about 7:30-3am
[17:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, not sure if it would work for CHC, but I'm keepingit in the back of my brain for jams, MUG-like meetings, etc.
[17:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ugh. Glad it's back though
[17:54] <rick_h_> why not for CHC?
[17:54] <snap-l> well, since we've been there for a while....
[17:54] <snap-l> But yeah, if they're full, or something like that
[17:54] <rick_h_> well, I was thinking if it worked out just might make the migration
[17:55] <rick_h_> to have promised space, the ability to do some more 'class-like' things
[17:55] <snap-l> Yeah, that might be neat.
[17:55] <rick_h_> get my hands on a projector and would be pretty cool, start up something east side python meeting or something
[17:55] <rick_h_> I've always thought of doing something like the web dev meeting or python group out here
[17:56] <rick_h_> maybe I'll head down in a bit then and check it out. Work from there for a bit
[17:56] <snap-l> lmk if you do. Wouldn't mind meeting up
[17:57] <rick_h_> k, will check with the wife here in a sec.
[17:57] <rick_h_> thanks for the heads up, got the gears going lol
[17:57] <snap-l> np
[18:00] <rick_h_> cool, ok going to pack up and head down
[18:00] <rick_h_> snap-l: ^^ so if you're free meet you down there, if not I'll hang out and chat with them down there
[18:02] <snap-l> Sure. Are you doing work there, or just bopping in / bopping out/
[18:02] <snap-l> ?
[18:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[18:54] <rick_h_> snap-l: going to hang out fora few
[18:54] <rick_h_> taking some time for her to get the schedule straight and have time to kill until dinner
[19:17] <rick_h_> snap-l _stink_ Blazeix waldo323_ widox devinheitmueller if CHC was moved to here would you stop coming? http://goo.gl/yCQqt
[19:17] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_:  probably not.  It's only a couple miles further than I go anyway.
[19:18] <devinheitmueller> (and I'm only here for another four weeks anyway)
[19:18] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: cool, thanks
[19:18] <rick_h_> won't be this week, butmight start week after, 24th or whatever
[19:18] <rick_h_> they have a meeting room I can get I'm working on trying to get for a while out
[19:18] <devinheitmueller> Nice.
[19:19] <rick_h_> yea, think it's worththe slight extra distance
[19:37] <snap-l> WEll there goes my thoughts of ever walking to CHC. ;)
[19:38] <Blazeix> rick_h_: nope, I'd still go.
[19:42] <rick_h_> Blazeix: awesome, thanks
[19:46] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: are you there now?
[19:49] <snap-l> Yeah, we're here now
[19:51] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: yea, checked it out today
[19:51] <rick_h_> working on getting it reserved
[19:52] <devinheitmueller> I need some coffee.  Will swing by for a few minutes.
[19:53] <rick_h_> cool
[19:56] <widox> rick_h_: um, I'd still go
[19:56] <widox> its about a 5min diff for me
[19:57] <rick_h_> widox: awesome
[19:57] <widox> like how the street view is from dream cruise time
[19:57] <rick_h_> oh yea? hah
[19:57] <widox> tons of 9ld cards
[19:57] <widox> how many people can you get in the room?
[19:59] <rick_h_> widox: we could probably get up to 18ish if we did some org
[19:59] <rick_h_> by default it's 10 I think
[19:59] <rick_h_> there are two big tables put side v side
[20:00] <rick_h_> plenty of power, a whiteboard with markers
[20:00] <rick_h_> honestly, htinkig long term we might be able to do some python/webdev group meetings type material here
[20:00] <rick_h_> there's room to get double digit people in fora talk
[20:00] <rick_h_> but we'll see
[20:21] <widox> sweet
[21:16] <snap-l> Good afternoon.
[22:32] <brousch1> geekers
[22:34] <brousch1> i'm working with someone on a python project, his first. he rejected bitbucket because he didn't like the privacy policy, so i emailed the file back to him with my changes. he disregarded them all and made a bunch of changes
[22:39] <brousch1> his major changes were to add comments, remove argparse in favor of self-parsed arguments, and add () in each if statement and print statement
[22:54] <_stink_> hah
[22:54] <_stink_> awesome
[22:55] <snap-l> brousch1: Why are you working with this person?
[23:01] <brousch1> side project
[23:02] <brousch1> he wanted to do the tricky part
[23:02] <brousch1> interesting. i didn't think print() worked in python 2.5
[23:03] <brousch1> he's a smart kid. i just need to slap him with the pep8 snake a little more
[23:32] <rick_h_> brousch1: yea, print() has worked for a while
[23:32] <rick_h_> just not mandatory like it is in 3.x
[23:32] <rick_h_> and sucky with the whole bitbucket/etc crap
[23:40] <TeamXlink> Does anyone know what time hungry howies or little ceasers closes on sunday?
[23:40] <TeamXlink> Are they closed do you think?
[23:41] <brousch1> Why would you want to eat greasy cardboard topped with vomit?
[23:41] <rick_h_> I'd guess you'd have to call/look them up online
[23:42] <brousch1> papa johns is the best chain pizza. get it extra sauce and well done
[23:42] <brousch1> their online ordering r0x
[23:52] <snap-l> prefer Jets, personlly
[23:58] <TeamXlink> ./me prefers non chain pizza......................
[23:59] <TeamXlink> ./me prefers pizza from GR Pizza or Cherery Valley Pizzeria.
[23:59] <TeamXlink> ./me can't get that pizza anymore.


[07:47] <knight1> which version of qt does kubuntu 13.04 has?
[07:48] <tsimpson> !info libqt4-core raring
[07:48] <tsimpson> knight1: ^
[07:50] <knight1> i am using kubuntu 12.04 and need to have qt5 , how to upgrade qt? @tsimpson
[07:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:52] <tsimpson> knight1: you need to enable the canonical Qt5 PPA, http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ says you need to add this PPA https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa
[07:57] <knight1> thanks and also how can I switch to qt4.8 in case it is needed ?
[07:58] <tsimpson> knight1: yes, in fact you have to with 12.04
[08:48] <knight1> @tsimpson Installed qt5 but now also on plasmoidviewer --version I am getting qt4.8 :/
[08:49] <tsimpson> knight1: KDE is compiled against Qt4
[08:50] <knight1> so how can I use qml2 , i need to port my qml1 files to qml2
[08:51] <tsimpson> knight1: you use whatever Qt5 mechanism is, try asking in #qt
[08:58] <knight1> after I installed qt5 http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/  but now also on plasmoidviewer --version I am getting qt4.8 ,so how can I use qml2 , i need to port my qml1 files to qml2
[08:58] <knight1> oops sorry
[11:41] <leo_> Hello folks, IM trying to run a GUI application through SSH. I get a message "Enter name of X-window server to connect to (of the form HOST:N.M):"......I typed ":0" and then I get an error message "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified   Error: cannot open the display: :0"
[11:41] <leo_> help
[11:42] <lordievader> leo_: Have you specified the -X flag when connecting to the ssh server?
[11:42] <leo_> er...nope
[11:43] <lordievader> Or -Y
[11:43] <leo_> so I type ssh -X and all will be goodd?
[11:43] <lordievader> One of those two should do the trick.
[11:43] <leo_> im gonna try that
[11:43] <lordievader> ssh -X user@host, yes.
[11:44] <leo_> U guys r awesome
[11:44] <leo_> cheers
[11:44] <lordievader> leo_: Glad I could help ;)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:01] <amundsen> hi
[13:03] <amundsen> did anybody get to install nitrux.os icon theme in kubuntu?
[14:45] <yahyaa> can someone tell me why evolution won't work on Kubuntu???
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yahyaa, how did you install it?
[15:01] <yahyaa> i used apt-get insatll ev.... so on and so forth
[15:01] <yahyaa> via terminal
[15:02] <BluesKaj> kmail doesn't do what you want ?
[15:02] <yahyaa> but everytime i try to use it, it doesnt retrieve any of my messages
[15:02] <yahyaa> I think evo is better
[15:04] <BluesKaj> well, perhaps you should ask in #ubuintu since it's a gtk app , yahyaa
[15:08] <flyingpeacock> Hello! I'm having a time trying to get my wifi to connect. It recognizes the networks , I enter the password, and it hangs at 'Setting Network Address'. This is a fresh install of Kubuntu 13.04
[15:19] <BluesKaj> flyingpeacock, which wifi chip?
[15:21] <flyingpeacock> i'm not sure how to answer that question, let me poke around and see
[15:21] <flyingpeacock> intel 3945ABG
[15:22] <flyingpeacock> do you think WICD would help versus network manager?
[15:23] <flyingpeacock> @BluesKaj I have no idea how to work this IRC thingamabobber lol
[15:27] <BluesKaj> flyingpeacock, open a terminal and type lspci, then copy the output sand pastebin it
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[15:27] <BluesKaj> sand=and
[15:31] <flyingpeacock> @BluesKaj, i did the pastebin, now what?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> flyingpeacock, copy t5he pastebin URL and paste that here
[15:32] <genii> The next step is to give us the web address of the pastebin so we can go examine it
[15:32] <flyingpeacock> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5900929/ BOOM!
[15:33] <flyingpeacock> THANK YOU!!!
[15:35] <BluesKaj> genii, any experience with Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG ?
[15:36] <genii> BluesKaj: Nope.
[15:36] <BluesKaj> same here
[15:36] <genii> flyingpeacock: What says the vendor:device code if you use lspci -nn
[15:39] <flyingpeacock> @genii [8086:4222]
[15:40] <flyingpeacock> @genii I installed wicd, but i'm getting some stupid d-bus error :/
[15:42] <genii> flyingpeacock: I do see some bug reports on that model, mostly with Sony Vaio. Can you pastebin result of: rfkill list
[15:44] <flyingpeacock> @genii it's pretty short; soft blocked:no; hard blocked: no
[15:45] <flyingpeacock> @genii 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
[15:45] <flyingpeacock>         Soft blocked: no
[15:45] <flyingpeacock>         Hard blocked: no
[15:49] <genii> flyingpeacock: Apologies on lag, work keeps pulling me away from computer
[15:50] <flyingpeacock> @genii It's all good, I'm just grateful for the help. Take your time, I need a smoke anywhoo
[15:50] <genii> flyingpeacock: Does: lsmod | grep iwl      ...show the iwl3945  driver loaded?
[16:04] <flyingpeacock_> @genii hang on, I'm going to post the pastebin
[16:05] <flyingpeacock_> @genii http://paste.ubuntu.com/5901032/
[16:14]  * genii munches his lunch and contemplates
[16:16] <yossarianuk> kde 4.10.5 is even better than the last (just feels snappier) - thanks for keeping Kubuntu up to date....
[16:23] <dcorbin__> When I select something in a browser, it's clearly not going into the right buffer (possibly any buffer).  Is there a setting for this somewhere?
[17:36] <stack_> hey How can I determine which version of akonadi I have cloned I cant put akonadi --version ofcourse .I am using kubuntu 12.04 .
[17:38] <BluesKaj> stack_, it's most likely the same version that comes with your kde version
[17:38] <stack_> so ..I need to have 4.11 h,ow can I be sure of that ?
[17:39] <stack_> ^ ,how
[17:40] <stack_> kde platform is 4.10.5 @BluesKaj  so may be akonadi version is same .How can I upgrade it to 4.11?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> stack_, why 4.11 is beta
[17:42] <stack_> well , my project work has certain dependencies
[17:43] <stack_> it requires akonadi 4.11 and kdepimlibs 4.11
[18:18] <smithw> Hi. Is the KDE system menu somehow isolated from other desktop's system menus?
[18:32] <aPpYe> is it possible to get proper MS-Powershell highlighting in kate?
[18:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> Alright, now this is weird. When I plug/unplug my Galaxy Nexus from my thinkpad, kmix will pop a dialog up about wanting to remove a bunch of sound devices that are part of my sound card.
[18:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> Like 6-8 devices in total. Capture and output
[18:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> No idea why it would do that, any ideas? It asks if I want to remove or not, and has a box to check to have it never ask again for those devices. But, I check it, hit no, and it will come back next time.
[18:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> It may have something do with the media player part of the device. As it does consider the device not just usb storage (using MTP, not usb storage) and as a "media player"
[18:56] <BluesKaj> GiGaHuRtZ, just choose , "no " , it's a minor bug , but an annoying one , always choose "no" if your sound is working ok , then you be making any changes to muck things up
[18:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> But the devices it would like to remove are part of the sound card
[18:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> BluesKaj: of course.
[18:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> I do always choose no, and tell it not to ask again. But it does anyway, heh
[18:57] <BluesKaj> don't ,  just leave it
[18:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> Right, i do
[18:57] <BluesKaj> ok good
[18:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> As I've said, 3 times now
[18:57] <BluesKaj> bbiab , going to the post box
[18:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> I just find it funny the option for telling it not to ask you again, doesn't work :P
[18:58] <BluesKaj> one has to make sure :)
[18:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> hehe
[19:43] <ss_haze> can I make nautilus block using desktop in kde
[19:44] <ss_haze> cause opening folder trought transmission makes it launch with whole desktop
[19:46] <BluesKaj> transmission ?, ss_haze
[19:46] <ss_haze> torrents
[19:46] <BluesKaj> use dolphin if you're on kde . otherwise ask in #ubuntu
[19:47] <ss_haze> I would like to
[19:47] <ss_haze> but it opens file folder of selected torrent in nautilus
[19:47] <ss_haze> I switched to ktorrent, but then again, it takes some tweak to make it default
[19:47] <BluesKaj> well use dolphin
[19:48] <ss_haze> well okkk
[20:13] <[Raiden]> ss_haze: http://storage2.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0723/h_1374523944_4535028_40edc90100.png
[20:13] <[Raiden]> )
[20:33] <ss_haze> nice icons
[20:34] <[Raiden]> fs icon ubuntu theme
[20:34] <ss_haze> + I understood the idea
[20:36] <[Raiden]> very good. My english very bad )
[21:19] <Nakkel> Where could I start looking for reasons my vpnc connection wont connect? Tested on laptop / mac where affirmed that the gateway is fine.
[21:38] <fetoega> I know this might be the wrong channel, but perhaps i am lucky. Where do i add my prefered application for magnet links for them to work in links2?
[21:39] <Strabo> Hello... anyone available to help with  mounting problems?
[21:41] <Strabo> I have regular ext3 and ext4 partitions that aren't mounting automatically anymore
[21:41] <Strabo> I was wondering if there was any way I could rebuilt the stab file, so I don have to risk editing it
[21:42] <Strabo> rebuild*
[21:42] <Strabo> ?
[22:14] <stack_> hey how i can use plasma components in qml2 i mean which version in qml 2.0 ?
[22:17] <stack_> everybody slept ;p ?
[22:18] <genii> stack_: More likely no one currently paying attention to questions knows the answer to yours
[22:20] <stack_> I had a small doubt .. actually that how i can use plasma components in qml2 i mean which version in qml 2.0 ?
[22:23] <goodtime> whats the question stack_?
[22:26] <goodtime> okay
[22:30] <stack_> @goodtime any idea?
[22:30] <goodtime> what's the question ?
[22:30] <stack_> how i can use plasma components in qml2 i mean which version in qml 2.0 ?
[22:30] <goodtime> i joined the channel after you asked i belive so i didnt see the question
[22:31] <goodtime> oic okay
[22:31] <goodtime> i belive it would be 2.0
[22:32] <goodtime> or it would do
[22:32] <goodtime> you are useing kubuntu right
[22:33] <stack_> in qml 1 it is  0.1  .. could you provide any example in qml2 that uses plasma components or any declarative component from kde-runtime , yes I am using kubuntu 12.04
[22:34] <goodtime> all as i do know is the qml in this platform is of many choices
[22:35] <goodtime> so most of the time it runs may varitialles
[22:35] <goodtime> vairitables
[22:36] <goodtime> sorry i have 2 broken legs and a broken arm
[22:36] <goodtime> typeing is hard
[22:37] <stack_> no problem , ironically your nick is "goodtime"
[22:37] <stack_> :p
[22:38] <goodtime> :)
[22:39] <stack_> I think you should take rest if you are not well :)
[22:51] <goodtime> i belive you are right stack_
[22:52] <stack_> :)
[23:00] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> BluesKaj: still around?


[19:26] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:29] <ajmitch> morning
[20:29] <hads> morning
[20:31] <olly_> morning


[00:12] <gamerchick02> oh lol rick_h_
[00:12] <gamerchick02> also hello cmaloney
[00:12] <cmaloney> lo
[00:14] <gamerchick02> how's work treating you? i've been busy with this massive multi-region Jeep that's supposed to hit in 2016 or so.
[00:14] <gamerchick02> Europe, Latum, SA, and China. oi
[00:17] <cmaloney> Sounds like fun
[00:17] <cmaloney> Work's OK.
[00:19] <gamerchick02> it's a lot of back and forth
[00:41] <rick_h_> yay! clean tests http://uploads.mitechie.com/clean_bookie_tests.png
[00:42] <rick_h_> so who wants to review my pull request? https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/pull/265 :)
[00:42] <rick_h_> what I messy branch
[00:42] <rick_h_> oh, this was freaking awesome today https://github.com/bookieio/breadability/pull/21
[00:53] <gamerchick02> last link looks pretty cool, rick_h_
[00:54] <rick_h_> yea, cool to get him on board. He ran with a fork for something like 8mo and didn't really want to work together
[00:54] <rick_h_> cool to get him changing his mind on some of it
[00:55] <greg-g> cool
[01:00] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That's awesome!
[02:30] <widox> rick_h_: !!  1,299 additions
[02:30] <widox> - 1,257 deletions
[02:30] <widox> that's a big PR
[02:31] <rick_h_> widox: yea, I started out just testing out a pyramid class based view vs a function setup
[02:32] <rick_h_> ended up messing with tests, logs, unicode all the things...got out of hand
[02:32] <rick_h_> but it's kind of nice now :)
[02:32] <rick_h_> thought I need to play with nose2 some more and get the coverage stuff back to working
[02:34] <widox> :)
[13:45] <brousch> This looked interesting, then I looked at the requirements https://github.com/globocom/thumbor
[14:14] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:15] <rick_h_> morning
[14:15] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, seems cool. Didn't try to get it up and running
[15:24] <jsivak> anyone know of any 'nice' cookie packages/libraries (similar in spirit to the Requests package)?
[15:25] <brousch> cookie package?
[15:25] <jsivak> yes, for python
[15:26] <jsivak> I've used cookiejar in the past, but was curious if there was any new hotness for managing/handling HTTP cookies
[15:26] <jsivak> hmm.. maybe it wasn't cookiejar (as I re-read the PYPI description of that package..)
[15:27] <brousch> There seems to be one in the standard lib
[15:27] <jsivak> Ok.. was wondering if a pypi package was out that "wrapped it nice", like how Requests wraps urllib..
[15:28] <jsivak> looking at 'cookies' now.
[15:32] <jsivak> actually, after reviewing old/previous code, its easy/straightfoward to use WebOb's cookie functions.. it just been awhile since I had to mess with cookies.
[15:33] <brousch> I've never had to deal with them
[15:34] <jsivak> I'm going down the road of supporting single sign on with Ford's WSLX cookies..   MUST... DELETE... PORN....
[20:38] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: go go go
[20:38] <devinheitmuell-1> :-)
[20:38] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: yea, I didn't want to deal with being responsible for private stuff on a beta/alpha install etc
[20:38] <rick_h_> I don't have to worry about privacy policies and crap
[20:38] <devinheitmuell-1> Not sure if you're interested in feedback, but it might have been nice for a little note on the "Import" page to that effect.  :-)
[20:39] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: I'm interested and you're right. I should put that on the import page. I'll file a bug. I should also ignore bookmarks with a private tag on them if I can tell that fact
[20:39] <devinheitmuell-1> Interesting.  It also seems to think all my bookmarks are 44 years old.
[20:39] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: what did you export from?
[20:39] <devinheitmuell-1> Chrome.
[20:39] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: I've seen that a couple of times now
[20:39] <devinheitmuell-1> I can send you the html file if you like (so you can repro/debug yourself)
[20:40] <rick_h_> ah, per the signup email, chrome bookmarks 'kind' of work magically.
[20:40] <rick_h_> it's close enough to delicious that it works, but they don't have a timestamp I don't think
[20:40]  * rick_h_ dbl checks
[20:40] <devinheitmuell-1> Perhaps set the timestamps to currentdate() then?
[20:41] <devinheitmuell-1> If the timestamp isn't present, seems it would be reasonable to have today's date rather than Jan 1, 1970.
[20:41] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: I'll look. I didn't want to do today's date because then it'd take over the front page with one user
[20:42] <rick_h_> but that's not the user's fault/concern
[20:42] <devinheitmuell-1> Ah, interesting point.
[20:42] <rick_h_> I'll peek at the file and see what can be done
[20:42] <rick_h_> I've seen it happen a couple of times, but also it usually works so figured it was something buggy in the user's import file.
[20:42] <devinheitmuell-1> Anyway, food for thought.  Certainly no showstoppers for me.
[20:42] <devinheitmuell-1> Do you want the import file?
[20:42] <cmaloney> could introduce a flag for "show on front page" and anything that you cobble a date on is ineligible
[20:43] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: rgr, bugs filed on the private bits, though chrome doesn't have private/tags so not much I could do on that
[20:43] <rick_h_> devinheitmuell-1: I can get it, it had to save it to process it so looking
[20:43] <devinheitmuell-1> Ah, ok.
[20:43] <rick_h_> thanks for the heads up
[20:43] <rick_h_> ok, it does have an ADD_DATE
[20:43] <devinheitmuell-1> Yeah, I'm not saying it should have been private - would have just been nice if it warned me prior to upload.
[20:43] <rick_h_> I'll have to peek at why it fails to parse correctly
[20:43] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Also I submitted Bookie for "One THing Well"
[20:44] <cmaloney> So we'll see if that generates some traffic.
[20:44] <rick_h_> https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/issues/269
[20:44] <rick_h_> cmaloney: hm, haven't heard of that. Cool
[20:45] <cmaloney> It's a neat tumblr of utilities
[20:45] <rick_h_> time to go get shots, bbl
[20:45] <cmaloney> lu shot?
[20:45] <cmaloney> flu rather?
[20:46] <cmaloney> Got mine yesterday.
[20:46] <cmaloney> Or is this the "rick_h_ smash" shots.
[20:47] <devinheitmuell-1> tequila shots?
[21:27] <rick_h_> cmaloney: naw, had the flu one for a while
[21:27] <rick_h_> these are hep shots because of traveling to south africa
[22:19] <cmaloney> Ah, fun fun
[22:19] <rick_h_> yea, wheee
[22:20] <cmaloney> btw: nothing better than listening to your show on http://metalinjection.fm while creating stuff.
[22:20] <cmaloney> is what I keep telling myself. ;)