[02:40] <duflu_> Does anyone know how errors.ubuntu.com works? It seems to only match stack traces to depth 4. Is that correct?
[06:35] <pitti> Good morning
[06:35] <pitti> duflu: should be the topmost 5, if it's using the same algorithm as apport
[06:36] <duflu> pitti: OK, hmm...
[06:36] <duflu> I wonder if that's enough
[07:04] <didrocks> morning
[07:17] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien, c'est vendredi ! et toi ? :)
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: je suis d'accord, merci; j'ai dormi très bien
[07:59] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:35] <willcooke> g'morn
[08:37] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:39] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:39] <seb128> how are you?
[08:40] <willcooke> What is the point of Reddit?
[08:40] <willcooke> it just seems to be a forum for people to make things up and pass it off as fact.
[08:40] <seb128> sink your productivity on the internet? ;-)
[08:40] <willcooke> the Ubuntu things are 99% BS
[08:40] <willcooke> I want to reply but... no actually, I don't
[08:49] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1324101
[08:49] <willcooke> \o/
[08:49] <willcooke> larsu, relevant to your interests I expect ^^
[08:51] <larsu> indeed :)
[08:51] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[09:04] <Laney> ahoy
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:05] <larsu> happy Friday Laney!
[09:05] <Laney> happy friday!
[09:08] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[09:15] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:15] <Laney> feeling good!
[09:15] <Laney> quality climbing session last night
[09:15] <seb128> great!
[09:15] <Laney> what about you?
[09:15] <seb128> doing good
[09:15] <seb128> it's friday!
[09:32] <seb128> that is a weird bug
[09:32] <seb128> that happens sometime, not sure what to blame, video driver, xorg, toolkits, ...
[09:32] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bug.png
[09:33] <seb128> letters get missing in text, happens in most apps and is random, sometime on refresh they show and then hide again
[09:55] <willcooke> seb128, ?!?!?!?!?
[09:55] <seb128> willcooke, exactly...
[09:55] <willcooke> seb128, are you reading the matrix?
[09:55] <seb128> lol
[09:56]  * didrocks lost his ^
[09:56] <didrocks> they are going to an unfocussed window!
[09:56] <didrocks> a gnome-terminal one
[09:56] <willcooke> I'd think it was a tk issue, I think if it was a video driver thing it would be more broken
[09:57] <didrocks> I wonder if this isn't a gnome-terminal issue
[09:57] <didrocks> Laney: ^
[09:57] <didrocks> between 2 g-t
[09:58] <Laney> lost his what?
[09:58] <Laney> sorry I don't understand what you are saying
[10:00] <seb128> Laney, I guess he means the "^" key?
[10:00]  * seb128 is unsure as well
[10:01] <didrocks> Laney: so, all keys were going to the current gnome-terminal
[10:01] <didrocks> as you can expect
[10:01] <didrocks> but ^ keystrokes were sent to another gnome-terminal window
[10:01] <didrocks> happened twice since this morning
[10:03] <Laney> not heard of that
[10:03] <Laney> how can I make it happen?
[10:03] <didrocks> yeah, that's the part I'm unsure
[10:03] <didrocks> if I change the focused windows, then, it resets
[10:12] <Laney> try using shell for a bit or something to rule in/out the WM
[10:13] <didrocks> Laney: nice idea, will do that
[10:14] <didrocks> (not now, getting rules to get Touch booting on systemd)
[10:17] <darkxst> didrocks, Laney, I've heard of wierd focus issues but it involves non-standard settings
[10:18] <didrocks> it's still weird it's only one key though
[10:18] <didrocks> not the others
[10:18] <darkxst> didrocks, only one key gets sent to the wrong window?
[10:19] <darkxst> that is incredibly strange
[10:20] <didrocks> right
[10:20] <didrocks> it was the same twice
[10:20] <didrocks> all the other ones worked
[10:25] <darkxst> didrocks,  no idea then
[10:27] <darkxst> the reports I have heard all keyboard input goes to the wrong windo, but on;y when diabling window modifier key binding (i thing)
[10:35] <didrocks> I didn't disable it here, so not that one :/
[10:56] <darkxst> didrocks, my best guess is the unity key grabber, is messing up somewhere
[10:57] <didrocks> can be
[10:57] <didrocks> will see first if I can reproduce it more than twice
[11:31] <willcooke> desrt, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30784886
[16:27] <Chipaca> what can make 'quilt push -a' work, but bzr-buildpackage fail complaining about fuzz and reversed patches?
[16:27] <didrocks> Chipaca: bzr bd is more restrictive than quilt pushing
[16:28] <didrocks> Chipaca: so in that can, quilt push <the patch that has fuzz>
[16:28] <didrocks> quilt refresh
[16:28] <didrocks> bzr commit, blablabla
[16:28] <Chipaca> quilt refresh says no changes
[16:28] <didrocks> the amount of fuzz it accepts it stricter
[16:28] <didrocks> is*
[16:28] <didrocks> bzr diff?
[16:28] <Chipaca> there is no fuzz, no diff, no status
[16:28] <didrocks> hum, that's weird, do you have the branch?
[16:29] <Chipaca> i'll pastebin the session because i wouldn't believe it myself
[16:29] <Chipaca> ah, sure, let me push it
[16:29] <didrocks> let me see if I reproduce first :)
[16:29] <didrocks> I remember having spent quite some time due to that
[16:29] <Laney> if you forget to edit with 'quilt edit' or similar
[16:29] <didrocks> but generally, it was just because of what I explained above
[16:29] <Chipaca> didrocks: lp:~chipaca/ubuntu-push/fix-1376282-for-rtm
[16:30] <Chipaca> Laney: this is a cherry pick, onto a project that didn't have patches before
[16:30] <Chipaca> it's the first distro-patch
[16:31] <Chipaca> Laney: so i did 'quilt import' to the patch
[16:31] <Chipaca> i have no idea if any of that is relevant to the problem :)
[16:31] <Laney> or if a file is directly edited before you then use quilt on it
[16:32] <Laney> so quilt and dpkg-source get different ideas about the before state
[16:32] <Laney> you can probably not use quilt for this branch though and just cherry-pick directly - I think that's usualy for rtm branches
[16:33] <Laney> s/usualy/usual/
[16:33] <Laney> kenvandine: confirm/deny ?
[16:33]  * kenvandine reads
[16:34] <kenvandine> i'd say just cherry pick for rtm branches
[16:34] <kenvandine> instead of quilt
[16:35] <Chipaca> Laney: kenvandine: my perhaps misguided idea was that i could use quilt to make keeping the base tree in sync easier
[16:35] <Chipaca> ie the tree without the patches is exactly a given revno of upstream
[16:35] <kenvandine> i think quilt is going to just make it harder
[16:36] <didrocks> yeah, the workflow with package branch is to be able to bzr merge from upstream
[16:36] <didrocks> that avoid those quilt issues
[16:36] <kenvandine> imo quilt makes most things harder :)
[16:36] <Chipaca> well, it has, but at least now i feel less bad about it :D
[16:40]  * Chipaca throws away quilt and does what he knows
[16:40] <didrocks> Chipaca: yeah, I'm getting failures with LC_ALL=C patch -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B .pc/info-loglevel.diff/ --reject-file=- < debian/patches/info-loglevel.diff
[16:41] <didrocks> Chipaca: really, the whole "release from branch" is about bzr merge upstream to your branch
[16:41] <didrocks> Chipaca: so I would really go with this :)
[16:41] <Chipaca> didrocks: I don't know what “the whole "release from branch"” even *is*, but i know bzr and am not afraid to use it
[16:42] <didrocks> Chipaca: if your branch has been properly bootstraped, just bzr merge :)
[16:42] <didrocks> if not, complain to #ubuntu-ci-eng ;)
[16:43] <Chipaca> also, also, schroot on shm + my little python .deb cache on shm [16:43] <didrocks> nice!
[16:49] <willcooke> unlol:  https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671
[16:50] <seb128> that's a fail indeed
[16:52] <didrocks>  rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"*
[16:52] <didrocks> oh come on!
[16:52] <didrocks> I thought that would only happen at "professionals", I have names! :p
[16:52] <andyrock> seb128, do you know who should I ping on #gtk+ to get some info about GtkIconTheme
[16:52] <andyrock> ?
[16:53] <didrocks> willcooke: where it happened, it was on the company vcs-like (all very centralize) machines :p
[16:54] <willcooke> :/
[16:55] <seb128> andyrock, no, but maybe larsu or desrt can help you
[16:56] <andyrock> larsu, desrt http://paste.ubuntu.com/9762431/
[16:56] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[16:56] <seb128> andyrock, he replied on gtk
[16:56] <larsu> andyrock: you're not very patient ;)
[16:56] <andyrock> :D
[16:57] <andyrock> seb128, larsu that's what is causing the '?' icon bug in vivid
[16:58] <seb128> k
[16:59] <seb128> why are icons queried differently on first start and later?
[17:01] <andyrock> seb128, not sure
[17:01] <andyrock> seb128, Trevinho should know more
[17:06] <andyrock> larsu, thanks using lookup_icon should work just fine in bamf
[17:06] <larsu> andyrock: ya. Seems to me that has_icon() is pointless anyway
[17:06] <larsu> especially for bamf's use-case
[17:12] <xnox> pitti: i look how upstart handles -1 from fork() call -
[17:12] <xnox>         /* Goodbye, cruel world. */
[17:12] <xnox>         exit (signum);
[17:13] <pitti> xnox: heh
[17:13] <pitti> xnox: well, at that poitn pretty much everything is lost, I figure :)
[17:15] <xnox> pitti: well documentation is EAGAIN, spawning jobs it does loop until fork >= 0
[17:15]  * xnox needs lunch
[17:15] <didrocks> xnox: EAGAIN had_lunch >=0 :p
[17:16] <didrocks> xnox: sounds weird to not fail in that case though and looping retrying forking
[17:18] <pitti> xnox: well, when it happens in a generator, I think it's safe to abort -- if you can't fork during boot, you are busted anyway
[17:36] <didrocks> EOW! have a nice week-end guys :)
[17:49] <willcooke> EOW - party hearty
[17:49] <willcooke> toodles
[18:03]  * Laney relocates downstairs to finish watching The Tunnel :O


[00:24] <doctormo> pleia2: Could I have a quote from you about ground control? for the website
[00:25] <doctormo> Something related to learning materials etc
[00:30] <pleia2> doctormo: sure, just need to wrap up this meeting
[02:07] <pleia2> wow, licenses are bad enough, licenses tied to ip addresses?
[02:07] <pleia2> migration nightmare
[02:18] <doctormo> pleia2: Eh? propritary licenses?
[02:18] <pleia2> doctormo: it's actually a license for using an API
[02:18] <pleia2> this company a client deals with thought it would be a good idea to tie the license to the origin address
[02:18] <doctormo> Ew, some of the terms for facebook, picasa and that other horrible photo site were quite bad.
[02:19] <pleia2> makes me crazy, and I had to work an hour later to find the error that confirmed my suspicion
[02:20] <pleia2> mazes of javascript and php, I need a drink now :)
[02:26]  * pleia2 thinks up GC quote
[02:33]  * doctormo thinks you should record this instance and perhaps others into a "why a company side FOSS preference would be a good idea from contractors and software puchases"
[03:35] <doctormo> pleia2: Any luck ont hat quote?
[03:35] <doctormo> cjohnston: And you said you'd do a quote right?
[03:36] <pleia2> I am suffering from severe lack of focus this evening, just a moment :)
[03:42] <pleia2> "Making a project easy to contribute to is vital to the success of a project like UCLP, with Ground Control were were able to slice the barrier to entry to our project without sacrificing the benefits of a revision control system."
[03:42] <pleia2> I can say more if you want:)
[03:47] <doctormo> Thats great, thanks pleia2
[03:48] <pleia2> sure thing
[04:10] <pleia2> doctormo: also, wow, that GC site looks amazing :)
[04:13] <doctormo> I hope so
[04:13] <doctormo> :-) I'm trying to think up a new icon
[04:22] <doctormo> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/gcweb/
[04:23] <pleia2> I like that rocket :)
[17:01] <doctormo> pleia2: I updated the logo more after someone suggested a few things: http://groundcontrol.doctormo.org
[17:01] <doctormo> Since you liked it before, wondering if you still do.
[17:05] <pleia2> doctormo: ah, brighter now, nice :)
[17:12] <doctormo> actually just got http://ground-control.org
[17:13] <pleia2> yay


[00:54] <mecklen> I have an old Compaq Presario 2200 that I'm running xubuntu 11.04 on.  I would like to use the 5 "custom" buttons at the top of the keyboard, but cannot determine the proper keyboard layout.  I've googled, but come up empty so far.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to determine the keyboard layout?  Thanks in advance.
[02:25] <Ain_> Can anyone help me find drivers for some hardware for 11.04?
[02:32] <philipballew> Ain_, what hardware?
[02:34] <Ain_> It's volume controls for an HP Touchsmart IQ526.
[02:34] <Ain_> I'm not sure where to find them.
[02:35] <Ain_> The HP site says to find them elsewhere for Linux. :(
[02:37] <philipballew> what did google say?
[02:39] <Ain_> Brought me to "Will this run Linux" threads for everything but the model I want. >.<
[02:42] <philipballew> im not sure, but if its a driver you need it might be in the kernal somewhere
[02:42] <Ain_> Then it should work just fine from install, right?
[02:43] <philipballew> well unless your computer is newww like super new or they just dont have a driver for it
[02:43] <Ain_> It was running Vista before, and it's at least 2 years old.
[02:46] <philipballew> you can probably do it manually
[02:47] <Ain_> I don't know how. I'm rather new to it, and I don't have the computer with me to actually play around. I set it up on my friends computer.
[02:55] <philipballew> hum. well then... not sure
[02:56] <Ain_> Damn. HP has a link to kernel.org, but I think the domain isn't registered.
[03:00] <Pici> kernel.org is down due to being comprimised recently.
[03:01] <Ain_> Ah.
[03:01] <Ain_> Maybe I'll just wait for it to come back up.
[10:56] <Fenixdeux> Hi. Big thanks for great OS
[10:56] <Fenixdeux> I've installed Compiz and CompizConfig but when from the mouse-menu I hover over Compiz-Config and click it nothing apparently happens
[10:56] <Fenixdeux> I think I already tried uninstalling and reinstalling but to no avail
[10:56] <Fenixdeux> so somewhere is a bug but I dunno where
[10:58] <cYmen> hm...how does samba browsing work and how do I do it from a shell? Does anybody know?
[10:59] <knome> cYmen, check out smbfs
[10:59] <cYmen> knome: I know how to mount stuff I can't figure out how to browse though...
[11:00] <Sysi> Fenixdeux: what if you try to run if from terminal?
[11:00] <knome> cYmen, how did you mount it then?
[11:00] <Fenixdeux> Sysi: I'll try that
[11:00] <cYmen> well if you know the host and everything you can just do it
[11:00] <cYmen> but I want to an overview of the network just like in the gui tools
[11:01] <Fenixdeux> Sysi: "CompizConfig command not found"
[11:01] <Fenixdeux> where do the installed binaries reside in ?
[11:01] <Fenixdeux> I think it's not in the path
[11:03] <Fenixdeux> Sysi: when I run 'compiz --help' I get compiz: error while loading shared libraries: libglibmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:03] <Fenixdeux> so must be that the CompizConfig is unable to start because compiz itself does not start
[11:05] <Sysi> Fenixdeux: IDK about that but use tabcompletin, type compi and press tab twice
[11:05] <Fenixdeux> 'k
[11:06] <Fenixdeux> gives 'compiz' and 'compiz-decorator'
[11:06] <Sysi> hum, how about ccsm?
[11:07] <Fenixdeux> compiz: error while loading shared libraries: libglibmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
[11:08] <Fenixdeux> ccsm exits with that
[11:09] <Fenixdeux> I unsinstall and reinstall compiz
[11:47] <Fenixdeux> Sysi: I removed and readded a few libraries and now CompizConfig works but 'compiz --replace' complains "Found no decorator to start" what do I do now ?
[11:48] <Sysi> enable window decorations plugin and find suitable decorator for it
[11:49] <Sysi> compiz-decorator or gtk-window-decorator might work
[12:33] <Jonty> hi, I'm trying to move my window buttons to the right hand side using the gconf metacity trick, but it's not working. do i have to do something different for xfce?
[12:33] <Sysi> settings → window manager and drag how you want them
[12:34] <Sysi> they should be in right side by default.. using compiz?
[12:34] <Jonty> not knowingly
[12:35] <Jonty> weird...if i select Window Manager directly from the menu, nothing happens, and if i do it from the settings manager i just get a blank screen
[12:35] <Jonty> is there a command for it so i can see if it gives any error?
[12:35] <Sysi> first try alt+F2 "xfwm4 --replace"
[12:36] <Jonty> oh. that sorted it haha
[12:36] <Jonty> thanks
[12:36] <Jonty> i'd deleted my session files cos xfwm4 wasn't starting automatically
[12:36] <Jonty> must have been that
[12:37] <Sysi> saving session on logout should be enough
[12:37] <Sysi> to be sure you can delete ~/.cache/session
[12:38] <Jonty> how do i do that, just logout normally?
[12:38] <Jonty> save the session i mean
[12:38] <Sysi> there's tap on logout window
[13:31] <TheSheep> und3f: can you pastebin the result of doing 'dpkg -l | grep mysql' in terminal?
[13:35] <und3f> Thermi, http://pastebin.com/suS6a3Ce
[13:35] <TheSheep> looks like it's installed correctly
[13:35] <TheSheep> did you modify anything or install anything else related to mysql?
[13:35] <Sysi> have you rebooted after installing it?
[13:35] <TheSheep> Sysi: that's not required
[13:35] <TheSheep> Sysi: it's not windows
[13:35] <Sysi> shouldn't be..
[13:35] <und3f> Thermi, no, i didn't modified anything. Just installed and tried to start it
[13:35] <TheSheep> und3f: did you use sudo?
[13:35] <und3f> TheSheep, yes
[13:36] <TheSheep> try 'sudo /etc/init.d/mysql-server restart'
[13:36] <TheSheep> (it should do the same thing as service mysql start'
[13:39] <und3f> TheSheep, i tried it before service command. And it told me to use service. Also result is the same
[13:47] <TheSheep> und3f: no idea what might be the problem, you can try googling or searching the forums
[13:48] <TheSheep> und3f: or asking at #ubuntu, that part is common anyways
[13:53] <und3f> Thermi, i've tried, but thanks for a help
[13:53] <und3f> i mean TheSheep
[20:09] <maryfive> Hello !
[20:10] <maryfive> I'm a new user of Xubuntu
[20:10] <maryfive> I've installed it on a new disk
[20:10] <maryfive> the installation is ok
[20:11] <maryfive> but it doesn't start normaly
[20:11] <charlie-tca> maryfive: what does it do?
[20:12] <maryfive> it only start with "sans echec"
[20:12] <charlie-tca> !details
[20:12] <Olbi> what hardware do you have?
[20:14] <maryfive> sorry : version Xubuntu 11.04
[20:14] <maryfive> i've a compaq ith AMD athlon XP-M
[20:14] <maryfive> nvidia 32Mo
[20:15] <maryfive> athlon 2x800Mhz and 512 Mo Ram
[20:16] <maryfive> the Xubuntu start only if i unplug all USB
[20:17] <maryfive> and in the grub choice : sans echec (second ligne)
[20:18] <maryfive> and i've to press "Echap" when on the screen appear "search for floppy disk..."
[20:19] <Olbi> so old hardware :P
[20:20] <maryfive> then i've the blue screen of depanage and i choice "restart graphic session" (the end choice)
[20:20] <Olbi> what nvidia graphics?
[20:20] <maryfive> Oh yes, it's so Old (2004) but it work very good
[20:21] <Olbi> I have been installing Xubuntu 11.04 on AthlonXP 1800+ 130nm with FX5200 and 512 RAM. Some time it was problem with boot, but restart comp helps to boot wll
[20:21] <Olbi> well
[20:21] <Olbi> with old hardawre is problem with pluggeg pendrives
[20:22] <Olbi> sometime mouse or keyboard doesnt work on USB
[20:22] <charlie-tca> If Xubuntu without the usb drive plugged in, you need to change cmos settings to tell it boot the hard drive first
[20:23] <maryfive> how to change cmos ?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> That I do not know for the computer. Each one is different. Maybe hit del or ins or F2 or F10 on starting the computer
[20:25] <charlie-tca> but the easy way is to just not have the usb drive plugged in when starting. USB drives can be plugged in after Xubuntu starts
[20:26] <maryfive> ok i see, the cmos is where we can set the HD and the time of PC ...
[20:27] <maryfive> for my pc it is F10
[20:28] <maryfive> Yes, i can plug usb mouse after, but to start i have to launch the mode without echec
[20:29] <maryfive> and press echap regularly to have the blue screen
[20:30] <maryfive> of depanage of Xubuntu
[20:31] <maryfive> i read on forum that my be cause by the graphic car
[20:31] <maryfive> card
[20:31] <maryfive> where i can see the type of nvidia graphic ?
[20:32] <maryfive> hello
[20:33] <Myrtti> do you know how to use the terminal?
[20:33] <maryfive> i can launch terminal
[20:33] <maryfive> i use sudo ...
[20:34] <Myrtti> if you type into it "lshw -C display" that should show it. you can copy the text over to http://paste.ubuntu.com and give us a link so we can see it
[20:35] <maryfive> on terminal i see ùy name and : Presario-R3200-PJ850EA-ABF = the model ofmy pc
[20:36] <maryfive>  description: VGA compatible controller
[20:36] <maryfive>        product: NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M]
[20:36] <maryfive>        vendor: nVidia Corporation
[20:36] <maryfive>        physical id: 0
[20:36] <maryfive>        bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
[20:36] <maryfive>        version: a3
[20:36] <maryfive>        width: 32 bits
[20:36] <maryfive>        clock: 66MHz
[20:36] <maryfive>        capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
[20:36] <maryfive>        configuration: driver=nouveau latency=64 maxlatency=1 mingnt=5
[20:36] <maryfive>        resources: irq:16 memory:ea000000-eaffffff memory:f8000000-fbffffff memory:fc000000-fc07ffff memory:fc080000-fc09ffff
[20:36] <Myrtti> I did tell you to use paste.ubuntu.com...
[20:37] <Myrtti> anyway
[20:38] <maryfive> ok, i do
[20:39] <Myrtti> so you've got Geforce 4 420 then
[20:48] <maryfive> i would say that after start Xubuntu, my PC work good. it's that start that is difficult and not sure
[21:01] <maryfive> do i change the grub
[21:02] <maryfive> by using "e"
[21:06] <charlie-tca> for one boot, yes
[21:06] <charlie-tca> To change it for every boot, boot to the desktop, then edit /etc/default/grub
[21:12] <maryfive> i  use paste.ubuntu.com
[21:12] <maryfive> you can see my grub
[21:12] <maryfive> and what i can change ?
[21:15] <charlie-tca> What are you trying to make happen?
[21:16] <charlie-tca> also, when you use paste.ubuntu.com, it gives you a new page. You have to copy and paste the URL here for us to see it
[21:17] <maryfive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/685588/
[21:18] <charlie-tca> I see it. Now, what do you need it to do?
[21:19] <charlie-tca> To give messages in text when booting, just remove the quiet splash from between the quotes on line 11. Then it should tell you what it is doing all the time, instead of a pretty screen.
[21:20] <maryfive> i think that it do a start without blocking on black screen
[21:23] <maryfive> ok i do it, 'update-grub and i restart my pc, thank's
[21:24] <maryfive> i'll give news as soon as I find where it blocks
[21:26] <Guest40186> Hello people, i would like some help if possible... Thanks
[21:27] <charlie-tca> !help | Guest40186
[21:27] <Guest40186> I have just bought a digital camera (Sony DSC-W550) but no support for it, the cd that camed with the camera is for windows and cant find any usefull help on the web
[21:28] <Guest40186> Ok thanks
[21:28] <Guest40186> !help connect digital camera
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Now we wait for one of the people with good knowledge of cameras to answer.
[21:29] <Guest40186> thanks Charlie-tca


[00:06] <lunaphyte> i got disconnected, sorry
[00:06] <lunaphyte> TJ-: it looks like it's usb 1 and usb 2
[00:06] <lunaphyte> there are two black ports on the front, which i suppose should be usb 2?  and two white ports on the back, which would i guess then probably be usb 1?
[00:06] <lunaphyte> it's an older dell poweredge server
[00:06] <lunaphyte> [sorry if those are repeats]
[00:06] <lunaphyte> i'd been using the usb 2 socket, so i can try the usb 1 socket
[00:07] <lunaphyte> TJ-: right now i have a shell to the system, having booted from a flash drive - is there anything useful i might do before rebooting?
[00:07] <TJ-> lunaphyte: oooo... ability to play, so wait!
[00:08] <TJ-> lunaphyte: firstly, you can determine how the keyboard is currently connected (what devices/drivers it requires)
[00:09] <lunaphyte> here's what lsusb says: http://dpaste.com/0MQEZRM.txt
[00:09] <TJ-> lunaphyte: I'd start with "ls -l /sys/class/input/ | grep usb "
[00:09] <lunaphyte> ok, one moment
[00:09] <TJ-> lunaphyte: then you can drill down in the path(s) that reveals to figure out which kernel modules are required
[00:10] <lunaphyte> http://dpaste.com/29Y89J3.txt
[00:10] <lunaphyte> fwiw, the drac virtual keyboard doesn't work in initramfs either
[00:11] <TJ-> lunaphyte: DRAC! that explains it
[00:11] <TJ-> lunaphyte: is the DRAC input not working right now?
[00:12] <lunaphyt_> ugh, i keep getting disconnected
[00:13] <lunaphyt_> ideally, i'd like to get the drac remote console keyboard working
[00:14] <lunaphyt_> oops, that sys/class/input paste was useless, i'd forgotten to plug the keyboard back in
[00:14] <lunaphyt_> http://dpaste.com/3KET45Z.txt
[00:16] <tomreyn> lunaphyte: the "recue broken install" option is an option provided by the "debian installer" type installer, now dubbed the ubuntu alternative server installer.
[00:17] <tomreyn> (those server ISOs without "live" in the file name)
[00:17] <lunaphyt_> tomreyn: oh, ok, thanks
[00:18] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: hmmm, I was just trying to figure out if the DRAC is regular usbhid - it seems to be from what I can see in the kernel source, there is no specific driver for it
[00:19] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: so when there is a keyboard plugged into it there is no system input?
[00:20] <lunaphyt_> sorry, i'm not sure i'm following the question
[00:21] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: presumably you're connecting to DRAC5 via a management station?
[00:21] <lunaphyt_> oh, i connect to the drac5 via a java application
[00:22] <lunaphyt_> i run a jnlp java file on my computer here, which then connects via the network to the drac
[00:23] <TJ-> right, and does it bring up the poweredge console correctly, showing the video output?
[00:23] <lunaphyt_> oh, yes, it does
[00:23] <TJ-> I'm just trying to get an idea as to where the issues are
[00:23] <lunaphyt_> the drac5 remote console works fine, up until the kernel gets involved
[00:23] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: right, that is what I wanted to get at
[00:23] <lunaphyt_> so i can interact with bios, and with grub, and that all is working as it should be
[00:24] <lunaphyt_> ok
[00:24] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: does it continue OK with video but lose keyboard input?
[00:24] <lunaphyt_> yes
[00:25] <tomreyn> try this (instructions for idrac8, but might also apply): in the iDRAC, go to Virtual Console under Server, and the bottom option is for the Keyboard/Mouse Attach State. Make sure this is not set to Detached. If it is, change it to auto or plain attached and hit apply.
[00:26] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: Here's another possibility: https://www.itdroplets.com/idrac-remote-keyboard-not-working/
[00:27] <tomreyn> also this: Right above the "attach state" is an option for "Automatic System Lock", disabling this may help if you loose keyboard functionality after getting disconnected
[00:27] <tomreyn> (last post on https://www.dell.com/community/PowerEdge-Hardware-General/Keyboard-and-mouse-not-working-in-iDRAC8/td-p/5169237# )
[00:29] <TJ-> I also found one, saying "I just had the same issue.  Login to your DRAC and change the console type from Native to Java."
[00:30] <TJ-> This was in relation to multiple identical PowerEdge + CentOS where only 1 had this problem
[00:30] <lunaphyt_> it doesn't look like this system has the settings described for drac8
[00:31] <lunaphyt_> it does have the console type setting, though.  it's currently set to java - that's what i'm using now
[00:31] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: is it worth changing it to native then?
[00:31] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: as a test at least
[00:31] <lunaphyt_> yeah, i'll try
[00:33] <TJ-> what web browser are you using to access DRAC?
[00:33] <lunaphyt_> firefox
[00:33] <TJ-> this issue could affect FF too I guess: https://help.serversaustralia.com.au/hc/en-us/articles/202436724-Keyboard-not-working-in-Dell-DRAC-Console-on-Internet-Explorer
[00:34] <TJ-> however, no, since it works for BIOS/GRUB! forget that one
[00:34] <lunaphyt_> yeah, i think if i solve my physical usb keyboard issue, i have a feeling it will solve the drac5 keyboard issue too
[00:35] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: If Linux is seeing the DRAC input devices and attaching them it does point to an issue on the DRAC side
[00:36] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: as for the external keyboard, it's a Logitech isn't it?
[00:37] <lunaphyt_> but when i boot, both physical and drac work, in bios, in grub, and both stop working once i get to initramfs
[00:37] <lunaphyt_> TJ-: it's a dell
[00:37] <lunaphyt_> http://dpaste.com/37CFC5C.txt
[00:37] <TJ-> The 046D:1017 device shown in your last pastebin needs the module hid_logitech_hidpp which I bet isn't included in the initrd.img by default
[00:37] <lunaphyt_> "Dell Computer Corp. SK-8125 Keyboard"
[00:38] <lunaphyt_> if i'm not mistaken, that would seem to indicate it's using the usbhid driver?
[00:38] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: is the SK-8125 a wired keyboard ?
[00:38] <lunaphyt_> yes, a usb wired keyboard
[00:39] <TJ-> so presumably you've also attached a Logitech unifying receiver ?
[00:39] <lunaphyt_> yes, i have a wireless mouse connected at the moment
[00:39] <TJ-> Ahhh, I just picked the wrong device! Because all the others were Dell (046D) I ignored them!
[00:40] <lunaphyt_> that was just so i could navigate the ubuntu desktop i'd booted into from a flash drive
[00:40] <lunaphyt_> oh, hah :)
[00:40] <lunaphyt_> sorry for the red herring
[00:40] <TJ-> OK, and this wired keyboard also doesn't work?
[00:40] <lunaphyt_> that's right
[00:40] <lunaphyt_> it works in bios and grub, but stops working in busybox/initramfs
[00:40] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: this USB boot you currently have, is it the LiveISO ?
[00:41] <lunaphyt_> it's ubuntu-18.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:41] <TJ-> right, so it's running 'live' in memory, not as an installed OS
[00:41] <lunaphyt_> right
[00:41] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: OK! so, let is set things up to do a chroot investigation and fix
[00:42] <lunaphyt_> sounds good
[00:42] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: in a terminal gain root ("sudo -i")
[00:42] <lunaphyt_> done
[00:42] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: then "mkdir /target" which we'll use to mount the rootfs of the poweredge later
[00:43] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: then do "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" so I can see what block devices we are dealing with
[00:43] <lunaphyt_> just so i'm not being inconsiderate, i'll have to run for a bit in about 10 minutes again - i don't want you to invest too much just to get interrupted
[00:43] <TJ-> OK. We should be able to do this pretty quickly
[00:44] <lunaphyt_> ok
[00:44] <lunaphyt_> https://termbin.com/rlwx
[00:44] <TJ-> basically, we're going to check what kernel modules are in the initrd.img, and if needed add the usbhid etc
[00:44] <lunaphyt_> for background, it's 4 disks, in a raid 1+0 setup, with lvm on top of that
[00:45] <lunaphyt_> oh - no, wait
[00:45] <lunaphyt_> sorry, it's raid 5 across all 4
[00:45] <TJ-> Now everything is making more sense, and see the /usr/ file-system there
[00:45] <lunaphyt_> my mistake
[00:46] <lunaphyt_> https://termbin.com/z9e2e
[00:46] <TJ-> OK, let's get going: "mount /dev/mapper/vg_1-root /target"
[00:46] <TJ-> oh and lets get a handy pastebin helper: "apt install pastebinit"
[00:46] <lunaphyt_> done
[00:47] <lunaphyt_> should i mount the rest of the filesystems as well?
[00:47] <TJ-> what are the 95MB partitions for on sda/b/c/d ?
[00:47] <TJ-> No
[00:47] <lunaphyt_> ok
[00:47] <lunaphyt_> those are bios grub partitions
[00:47] <TJ-> sda1 etc
[00:47] <TJ-> really!? You know that never uses more than about 1MB ? I was thinking they might be for /boot/ :)
[00:48] <lunaphyt_> https://termbin.com/0aag
[00:48] <lunaphyt_> yeah, i know it's way overkill
[00:48] <TJ-> OK so we've already got /boot/ mounted at /target/boot/, so "pastebinit <( ls -latr /target/boot/)
[00:48] <lunaphyt_> i've had some issues in the past where grub didn't fit in the mbr
[00:48] <lunaphyt_> it's just me being overly cautious
[00:49] <lunaphyt_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WMhDgHGMsP/
[00:49] <TJ-> usually that's due, on MBR, to partition #1 starting early (not being aligned to sector 2048) and thus no space for GRUB's core
[00:49] <lunaphyt_> oh, hmm
[00:50] <TJ-> OK, now let's look at the initrd. "pastebinit <( lsinitramfs /target/boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-164-generic )"
[00:50] <lunaphyt_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BmGvXR2tyy/
[00:51] <TJ-> No usbhid
[00:51] <lunaphyt_> oh - also, if it's of value, i've tried both kernels, and both suffer the same symptom
[00:51] <lunaphyt_> where should usbhid be shown?
[00:52] <TJ-> let's just check it isn't a builtin - "pastebinit <( find /target/lib/modules -name usbhid.ko -ls )"
[00:52] <TJ-> I just did a grep, the usbhid.ko module should have shown up
[00:52] <lunaphyt_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JR3MGzPK2m/
[00:52] <lunaphyt_> i see
[00:52] <TJ-> At one time it was builtin to the kernel so I'm checking this isn't the case for you
[00:53] <lunaphyt_> ah ok
[00:53] <TJ-> OK, confirmed, it is needed. So "echo usbhid >> /target/etc/initramfs-tools/modules"
[00:53] <TJ-> Now we build the chroot fully.
[00:54] <TJ-> "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts run etc/resolv.conf; do mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done "
[00:54] <lunaphyt_> so since lib/modules/3.13.0-164-generic/kernel/drivers/hid/usbhid/usbhid.ko is there, that implies usbhid is a module and not built in?
[00:54] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: correct
[00:54] <lunaphyt_> i see
[00:54] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: but isn't in initrd.img, ergo, no usb keyboard
[00:54] <lunaphyt_> got it
[00:55] <lunaphyt_> whose silly idea was that :)
[00:55] <TJ-> done the for ... command?
[00:55] <lunaphyt_> catching up, one moment
[00:55] <TJ-> after that, enter the chroot with "chroot /target" then do "mount -a" to have it mount all the file-systems from its /etc/fstab automatically
[00:56] <lunaphyt_> chroot /target returned "bash: groups: command not found"
[00:56] <lunaphyt_> is that safe to ignore?
[00:57] <TJ-> hmmm, possibly due to the /usr/ outside rootfs
[00:57] <lunaphyt_> oh
[00:57] <TJ-> if it has entered the chroot, do "exit" and drop back to the host shell
[00:57] <lunaphyt_> it had.  i've exited and am back to the host shell
[00:57] <TJ-> then you can do "mount /dev/mapper/vg_1-usr /target/usr" then re-enter with "chroot /target" and "mount -a"
[00:58] <lunaphyt_> that looks better
[00:58] <lunaphyt_> shoot, i've got to run :( - sorry!
[00:58] <TJ-> Now finally do "update-initramfs -vu -k 3.13.0-164-generic |& tee /tmp/initrd.log "
[00:58] <lunaphyt_> oh, ok
[00:58] <TJ-> This is the LAST step :)
[00:58] <lunaphyt_> ok, done
[00:59] <TJ-> once that has completed just check the module has been added, with "grep usbhid /tmp/initrd.log"
[00:59] <lunaphyt_> "Adding module /lib/modules/3.13.0-164-generic/kernel/drivers/hid/usbhid/usbhid.ko"
[00:59] <TJ-> lunaphyt_: sorted :)
[00:59] <lunaphyt_> nice!
[00:59] <TJ-> next boot you should have USB keyboard
[00:59] <TJ-> "exit" and shutdown
[00:59] <lunaphyt_> i really appreciate this
[01:00] <lunaphyt_> i'll give it a try as soon as i get back
[01:00] <TJ-> It's gone 1am here so I'll likely hear about it tomorrow
[01:05] <lunaphyt_> ah, then have a good night, and thanks again
[07:27] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:01] <ahasenack> good morning
[11:08] <nascentmind> Hi. I am setting up Ubuntu server on a machine and I am having trouble with networking. My ethernet interface has 2 IP addresses. I have a 50-cloud-init.yaml file in netplan directory and have set 99-disable-network-config.cfg with network: {config: disabled}. I still get a static IP and a dhcp address set on the interface.
[11:08] <nascentmind> How can I fix it?
[11:18] <rbasak> nascentmind: how do you expect to configure your server's IP addresses?
[15:40] <kstenerud> I'm getting a strange error when calling git ubuntu lint: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PHgGcyGvQx/
[15:40] <kstenerud> I'm not sure what it means about an unexpected file change
[18:09] <Hackerpcs> I'm on 18.10. I have a problem with DNS as it doesn't work (ping google.com, Temporary failure in name resolution. systemd-resolved is running and I have netplan configured to CF DNS (systemd-resolve --status shows it). What could be the problem? /etc/resolv.conf shows <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:10] <teward> that sounds like it's wrong, IIRC resolved listens on <IP_ADDRESS>; how did your /etc/resolv.conf get set up?  Did you alter it at all?
[18:10] <cyphermox> Hackerpcs: you have dnsmasq or bind running and probably confusing things for systemd-resolved
[18:10] <lordcirth> Hackerpcs, /etc/resolv.conf contains "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" on my 18.04 system
[18:11] <Hackerpcs> cyphermox: both aren't installed
[18:11] <cyphermox> easiest is to start with making sure systemd-resolved can indeed resolve google.com (ie. systemd-resolve google.com)
[18:11] <teward> ^ this, also on my 18.10 system and containers
[18:11] <cyphermox> and then yeah, it should be <IP_ADDRESS>; maybe the file was immutable if you did an upgrade from previous releases?
[18:12] <lordcirth> Hackerpcs, ls -l /etc/resolv.conf?
[18:12] <Hackerpcs> yes, I upgraded from 18.04 but to be honest I don't remember if it was a clean install on 18.04 or 17.XX
[18:12] <lordcirth> Should be a symlink to ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[18:12] <Hackerpcs> yes it's linked to there
[18:13] <Hackerpcs> cyphermox: yes it can resolve it
[18:14] <cyphermox> probably should check if anything else is currently running and listening on port 53
[18:15] <cyphermox> (ss --listen -u)
[18:16] <Hackerpcs> nothing seems relevant, only mdns (isn't it 5353?)
[18:17] <cyphermox> right, 53 is 'domain'
[18:17] <cyphermox> systemd-resolved should pretty much just be <IP_ADDRESS>%lo:domain
[18:18] <cyphermox> so, something might have modified that file; but if it's not running and you upgraded it could be because of attributes -- people did that for some releases
[18:21] <Hackerpcs> https://pastebin.com/jfNawi1k
[18:21] <Hackerpcs> nothing relevant I think
[18:33] <Hackerpcs> removing the resolv.conf and rebooting doesn't restore it
[18:33] <Hackerpcs> something's off
[18:37] <TJ-> Hackerpcs: have you checked nsswitch 'hosts' ?
[18:37] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: resolved won't recreate the resolv.conf symlink if you rm'ed it
[18:41] <Hackerpcs> re-linked it, edited it and it get fixed to <IP_ADDRESS> after reboot
[18:42] <Hackerpcs> TJ-: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[18:45] <TJ-> Hackerpcs: that looks sane
[18:47] <Hackerpcs> I've tried a pihole installation some weeks ago but it didn't work (I think it's not compatible with systemd resolved) but removed it, don't know if it matters
[18:47] <Hackerpcs> I started having the problem today, no problems before
[18:54] <lunaphyte> TJ-: no luck with the keyboard so far, unfortunately
[18:55] <Hackerpcs> I really don't get how did this happen, everything seems normal
[18:55] <TJ-> lunaphyte: you dropped to the initialramfs shell?
[18:57] <Hackerpcs> guess I'll just edit resolv.conf manually to CF DNS and don't bother more with it
[18:57] <lunaphyte> TJ-: oh, wait - i just realized, i forgot to do the break=premount bit, but when /usr fails to mount and it drops to initramfs, there's still no keyboard
[18:58] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: you could tell systemd-resolved to use CF DNS instead, if you want
[18:58] <Hackerpcs> it has it
[18:58] <Hackerpcs> but it doesn't work
[18:59] <sdeziel> you said you configured it this way but also that your resolv.conf was pointing to <IP_ADDRESS> (!= <IP_ADDRESS>) so I'm wondering if you were really hitting resolved
[19:00] <Hackerpcs> I deleted it, re-linked it, tried to edit it to see if resolved really touched and after a reboot it changes to .53
[19:00] <TJ-> lunaphyte: right; at that point it should be available. The list in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is included in the initrd.img (as we checked yesterday) and are supposed to be loaded when the /init script is running
[19:00] <Hackerpcs> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:00] <Hackerpcs> but the damn thing doesn't work
[19:00] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: define doesn't work please
[19:01] <Hackerpcs> https://pastebin.com/0uGvfwux my netplan
[19:01] <Hackerpcs> ping: google.com: Temporary failure in name resolution
[19:01] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: OK, please share systemd-resolve --status
[19:01] <Hackerpcs> if resolv.conf is set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:02] <Hackerpcs> https://pastebin.com/XEWFwC0B systemd-resolve --status
[19:03] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: paste the output of systemd-resolve google.com
[19:03] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: any idea where the "fe80::1" resolver is coming from?
[19:04] <Hackerpcs> netplan doesn't indicate anything
[19:04] <lunaphyte> TJ-: yeah, i thought that was the expectation
[19:04] <Hackerpcs> google.com: <IP_ADDRESS> -- Information acquired via protocol DNS in 17.7ms. -- Data is authenticated: no
[19:04] <TJ-> I'd assume a link-local router advertisement
[19:05] <TJ-> lunaphyte: So... it probably also needs some intermediate modules for the USB chipset
[19:05] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: that seems to be working. Maybe the problem is that fe80::1 not responding and being asked once in a while by resolved
[19:05] <TJ-> lunaphyte: Does the system take a traditional PS/2 style keyboard, and if so, do you have one?
[19:05] <Hackerpcs> where could it be coming from? Can I see that somehow?
[19:06] <TJ-> Hackerpcs: check "journalctl -u systemd-resolved"
[19:06] <TJ-> Hackerpcs: that may contain clues as to what is going wrong
[19:06] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: could be coming from a Router Advertisement (RDNS IIRC)
[19:07] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: if you have dig available, please paste the output of the following: dig google.com @fe80::1%enp5s0
[19:07] <TJ-> lunaphyte: if it does not, then I think we have to tackle this in 2 stages 1) add a verbose script that displays the loaded modules and hardware and waits so you get time to photograph its output, and 2) add whatever modules we see are missing compared with the Live boot list
[19:08] <Hackerpcs> https://pastebin.com/a2FY15br
[19:10] <lunaphyte> TJ-: it's usb only, no ps/2
[19:10] <Hackerpcs> I don't see something relevant on resolved systemd log
[19:10] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: OK so that theory was wrong, fe80::1 behaves normally
[19:10] <TJ-> lunaphyte: so the latter process then
[19:11] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: when ping cannot resolve, could you check if dig @<IP_ADDRESS> works?
[19:12] <Hackerpcs> connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[19:12] <TJ-> sdeziel: it really looks like nsswitch teritory if ping is failing - presumable gethostbyname()/getnameinfo()
[19:13] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: ss -nlu
[19:13] <Hackerpcs> well any program from curl to rtorrent can't resolve
[19:13] <Hackerpcs> not just ping
[19:14] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: your resolved should be listening on that socket otherwise we'll need to check how you did the symlink
[19:14] <TJ-> Hackerpcs: yes, my point is any program relying on the standard library resolver functions is failing, and those rely on nsswitch
[19:14] <Hackerpcs> https://pastebin.com/Sx5PWuvT
[19:15] <Hackerpcs> ss -nlu
[19:15] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: please paste /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[19:15] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: would you mind sharing resolved's journal output as well?
[19:16] <Hackerpcs> w8 a sec, I might accidentally ln'ed stub resolved
[19:16] <lunaphyte> TJ-: understood, just on a phone call atm
[19:17] <Hackerpcs> sudo ln -s /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf insted of plain resolved.conf
[19:17] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: that's the one you want AFAIK
[19:17] <Hackerpcs> stub?
[19:19] <Hackerpcs> well with /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf resolving works
[19:19] <Hackerpcs> it uses the DNS servers provided by netplan
[19:20] <Hackerpcs> on /etc/resolv.conf
[19:20] <sdeziel> but this bypasses resolved for programs using resolv.conf directly
[19:20] <Hackerpcs> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-resolved#DNS -- I must be on 2nd case
[19:21] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: please paste /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[19:22] <Hackerpcs> https://pastebin.com/ur5wKgqV
[19:24] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: you added "DNSStubListener=no", which is why resolved doesn't listen on <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:25] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: the default is to have that line set to yes and commented out
[19:25] <sdeziel> and resolv.conf pointing to the stub- version of the file
[19:25] <Hackerpcs> hm, I don't remember when (because I should have) fiddled with it
[19:25] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: maybe when playing the pihole?
[19:26] <Hackerpcs> maybe its automated script modifies it
[19:26] <Hackerpcs> but I didn't have a problem
[19:26] <Hackerpcs> even though I haven't rebooted for like 10-12 days till today
[19:26] <Hackerpcs> so that must have been it
[19:26] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: I don't know pihole but if it's meant to be a local resolver then it could very well be the culprit
[19:27] <Hackerpcs> rm'ed etc/resolved, ln'ed to stub, commented out and set to yes the stub setting and reboot
[19:28] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: that should get you back to the "default" setup
[19:30] <Hackerpcs> alright it works
[19:30] <Hackerpcs> sorry for being a PIA :P
[19:31] <Hackerpcs> PITA*
[19:31] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: glad it's working again!
[19:32] <Hackerpcs> yeah pihole is a adblocker on dns level
[19:32] <Hackerpcs> but it seems doesn't play well with netplan and resolved
[19:33] <Hackerpcs> https://github.com/pi-hole/pi-hole/blob/master/automated%20install/basic-install.sh#L1485
[19:33] <Hackerpcs> here's the cause
[19:37] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: It's OK to disable the stub resolver socket of resolved but in that case, the pihole server needs to fill in the role of DNS resolver
[19:38] <Hackerpcs> https://discourse.pi-hole.net/t/cant-install-pi-hole-v4-0-on-ubuntu-server-18-04/11616 "Ubuntu 18.04 removes some of the packages that we need for the installation process. dialog and dhcpcd5 are no longer in Ubuntu 18.04, so at this time we are unable to install to that distribution."
[19:38] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: presumably, when you removed pihole, it didn't undo the resolved.conf change leaving you with a broken setup
[19:40] <Hackerpcs> pihole -uninstall seems to have that oversight
[19:45] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: would be nice if you reported this bug :)
[19:47] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: hmm, looks like it does attempt to cleanup: https://github.com/pi-hole/pi-hole/blob/master/automated%20install/uninstall.sh#L155
[19:48] <Hackerpcs> hm the file is there but it wasn't reset
[19:48] <Hackerpcs> strange
[19:49] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: what's its content? Maybe you ran the installer twice and the .orig file got overwitten
[19:49] <Hackerpcs> the corrent one, stub commented out and yes
[19:49] <Hackerpcs> diff is empty between the two :P
[19:50] <sdeziel> Hackerpcs: OK then yeah, it's worth reporting to them
[19:51] <Hackerpcs> well I don't have the logs but I'll try to report it to look into it
[19:52] <Hackerpcs> "The issue I am reporting can be replicated." -- not sure about that :P
[19:54] <Hackerpcs> maybe I'll run pihole in a docker to not mess up my host system
[20:07] <lunaphyte> TJ-: it's mostly just a hypothesis right now, i need to look closer, but at a glance, it almost seems like the initrd is recognizing the hub in the keyboard, but not recognizing the actual keyboard itself
[20:08] <lunaphyte> at the initramfs shell, when i plug in the keyboard, it prints output about "recognized usb device, etc", so it seems to be seeing something and recognizing it, but obviously there's still something missing since the keyboard isn't functioning
[20:09] <TJ-> lunaphyte: from our investigation yesterday we showed in the Live environment the required modules so I'm struggling to think of what more could be missing to prevent console input. I don't suppose the kernel command-line has a param setting the console to a serial terminal or some such?
[20:11] <lunaphyte> it might, but i'd have to track down a serial port somewhere else to use it
[20:21] <TJ-> lunaphyte: no, I meant, is it set to use a serial tty now - you'd see if it was on the kernel command-line because it'd have console=ttyS0,115200n8 or similar
[20:21] <TJ-> lunaphyte: I doubt you do but its one long-shot possibility
[20:21] <lunaphyte> oh, i see.  no i don't believe so - at least i don't recall seeing that on the kernel command line
[20:30] <TJ-> No, I don't but I was mostly asleep at the keys last night so forgotten a lot of what we saw :)
[20:34] <lunaphyte> no worries, you weren't the only one!
[20:35] <TJ-> lunaphyte: it's annoying because without that working, we can't chase down the /usr problem
[20:36] <lunaphyte> you're telling me :)
[20:38] <lunaphyte> TJ-: i'm just in the process of trying to get a little bit more useful recovery boot drive
[20:39] <lunaphyte> i've just booted from ubuntu-18.10-server-amd64.iso, and so far the rescue environment is working via the drac5 remote console
[20:40] <lunaphyte> hopefully this will work better
[20:40] <lunaphyte> if it does, it will at least make this process way less burdensome
[20:46] <TJ-> lunaphyte: definitely :)
[20:48] <lunaphyte> i can't reference the notes in my wiki for all of this :p
[20:48] <lunaphyte> the wiki is on the server :)
[20:49] <lunaphyte> sigh
[20:49] <lunaphyte> no bonding module on the iso, it seems like
[20:50] <lunaphyte> oh, wait, no
[20:50] <lunaphyte> that's my filesystem i'm in
[20:50] <lunaphyte> hmm
[20:50] <TJ-> lunaphyte: Why not make an install onto a USB, and have it boot from that, rather than an installer/live environment
[20:50] <lunaphyte> i was just thinking about that earlier
[20:57] <lunaphyte> doing that now


[15:30] <slyon> o/
[15:31] <dviererbe> Hello
[15:31] <cpaelzer> arr
[15:31] <cpaelzer> I'm here, although late
[15:31] <cpaelzer> get this started ...
[15:31] <eslerm> good morning o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:31:37 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:31] <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage eslerm
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:31] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> no update on ndctl from my side
[15:32] <joalif> o/
[15:32] <didrocks> hey
[15:32] <cpaelzer> kanashiro: IIRC the dice picked you, did you look into that already?
[15:32] <slyon> devscripts should eventually drop its new dependencies: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/devscripts/-/merge_requests/336
[15:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Merge 336 in debian/devscripts "Avoid outdated Perl modules" [Opened]
[15:32]  * jamespage sends apologies - can't make today (about to disappear)
[15:32] <cpaelzer> yep slyon, thanks I've seent hat update
[15:32] <cpaelzer> I was feeling bad when handing out to NACKs
[15:33] <cpaelzer> but it seems you received it well
[15:33] <cpaelzer> ok jamespage, thanks for letting us know
[15:33] <slyon> yes, I think that was the correct decision. Let's see what Debian thinks about it. For now I'll not pull it into the Ubuntu delta, but wait for a decision in Debian, as this is not critical and could be postponed into nextx cycle
[15:33] <cpaelzer> jamespage: before you are not even logging - jaraco.text -> python-inflect
[15:34] <cpaelzer> jamespage: that seemed ready if I read it correctly
[15:34] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but a subscription of the team was needed
[15:34] <cpaelzer> jamespage: once that is done it seems ready (just had a glimpse)
[15:34] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I'll sort that out
[15:34] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:34] <slyon> inetutils[-telnet] is currently being prepared by dviererbe
[15:34] <cpaelzer> ok, the feature freeze works
[15:35] <cpaelzer> there is less noise in here
[15:35] <cpaelzer> and thanks for telnet dviererbe
[15:35] <cpaelzer> after sarnold has survived the blast from the past :-P
[15:35] <cpaelzer> next section I guess
[15:35] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:35] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:36] <cpaelzer> new cas elooking for an owner
[15:36] <sarnold> good morning
[15:36] <didrocks> I can do it starting next week (probably Monday)
[15:36] <cpaelzer> that looks for a reviewer, but I'm sadly 250% drowned in tasks atm
[15:36] <cpaelzer> anyone else?
[15:36] <cpaelzer> oh thanks didrocks
[15:36] <slyon> I could.. but I do have short weeks this week and next
[15:37] <didrocks> grumph
[15:37] <didrocks> "- We will provide a manual testplan to cover the behaviour changes and features added by the extension"
[15:37] <didrocks> really, we should prevent people filing MIR if they don’t fulfill already all the requirements
[15:37] <cpaelzer> this is not your team, but your department
[15:37] <cpaelzer> you should speak to them
[15:37] <didrocks> did multiple times already
[15:37] <didrocks> and asked to not subscribe that one before it’s ready :/
[15:38] <didrocks> I think we should be stricter in the criteria and not start reviewing before the MIR is ready
[15:38] <didrocks> maybe this way, the message will be clear
[15:38] <didrocks> (I don’t mind when it happens one time, I do mind when it’s regular)
[15:38] <sarnold> at least in this case you can make it clear that's a condition to starting in on it next week
[15:39] <didrocks> wait, maybe it’s just the description not being updated
[15:39] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant/+bug/2007710/comments/1
[15:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2007710 in gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant" [Undecided, New]
[15:40] <cpaelzer> [Quality assurance - testing] has the details that were added
[15:40] <didrocks> yeah, it’s in plain text below in the description
[15:40] <didrocks> I’ll ask it to be on a wiki page
[15:40] <cpaelzer> ack didrocks
[15:40] <cpaelzer> one more thing, when you ask
[15:40] <cpaelzer> I (personally) haven't yet seen/heard of the other cases which ended up with manual plans being executed. Getting an example/evidence of that would be a great confidence boost as well.
[15:41] <cpaelzer> so when you ask, you might ask about that as well
[15:41] <didrocks> will do!
[15:41] <cpaelzer> thank you
[15:41] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:41] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:41] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:41] <cpaelzer> top down
[15:41] <cpaelzer> autocommand is what I asked jamespage to fix the team subscription
[15:41] <cpaelzer> lib*perl is the devscripts case that will be fixed in Debian
[15:41] <jamespage> done
[15:41] <jamespage> (not here)
[15:42] <cpaelzer> thanks jamespage that isn't here
[15:42] <sarnold> :)
[15:42] <slyon> I wonder if we should subscribe ~ubuntu-openstack to the (incomplete) python-inflect task in that MIR?
[15:42] <cpaelzer> jamespage: on src:python-inflect there are more todo's left, assign to coreycb or someone else (who might be here)
[15:43] <cpaelzer> slyon: I thought about the very same
[15:43] <cpaelzer> slyon: doing so
[15:43] <jamespage> done
[15:43] <jamespage> (~still not here)
[15:43] <slyon> IIRC python-inflect wasn't in good shape and needs quite some work
[15:43] <cpaelzer> inetutils was clarified and has dviererbe working on it
[15:43] <slyon> ack
[15:43] <cpaelzer> log4cplus , hmm
[15:44] <cpaelzer> actually waiting for an FFE
[15:44] <cpaelzer> I have asked athos to ping for that since there was no response yet
[15:44] <cpaelzer> the rest is older than a week
[15:44] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[15:44] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Internal link
[15:44] <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[15:44] <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[15:44] <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[15:45] <cpaelzer> sarnold: you said you are on kea, any progress? it is still lsited as todo in jira
[15:45] <cpaelzer> eslerm: how is pcs looking so far good/bad/ugly?
[15:45] <sarnold> cpaelzer: kea is still in todo -- I'm not yet finished with duktape, and 360s will consume much time in the next week
[15:45] <eslerm> puma is finished, working on pcs now. It's a large package, but *soon*
[15:45] <cpaelzer> thanks eslerm
[15:46] <eslerm> I believe pcs will be ack'd. code is very clean and maintained well. there's just a lot to review properly
[15:46] <cpaelzer> understandable
[15:46] <cpaelzer> ok sarnold, just print out an image of me and add a speech bubble asking "kea?" and tuck it to your screen :-)
[15:46] <sarnold> cpaelzer: lol love it :)
[15:47] <cpaelzer> BTW no one here can complain about 360s unless you have as many people to review as I do (or if I complain, then just chime in)
[15:47] <cpaelzer> and yes, duktape still seing active is nice
[15:47] <didrocks> good luck with those :)
[15:47] <cpaelzer> jbicha: you mentioned policykit-122 might not happen for 23.04
[15:47] <cpaelzer> jbicha: should we abort/postpone the duktape review?
[15:47] <sarnold> cpaelzer: I do like the opportunity to tell my coworkers they're awesome :) but it does take time to do well
[15:48] <cpaelzer> sarnold: ok, that counts as "not complaining" - do it!
[15:48] <cpaelzer> sarnold: about duktape, did you hear anything in that regard?
[15:48] <cpaelzer> or was it only pulled from lunar-proposed to let things migrate but will come back in time for 3.04?
[15:48] <cpaelzer> 23.04
[15:49] <sarnold> cpaelzer: I had some concerns about memory allocation patterns in it and sent upstream a few questions, and got back an amazing response. I'm strongly encouraged that upstream knows what they're doing and would be easy to work with.
[15:49] <sarnold> cpaelzer: oh, in that regard, nothing at all
[15:49] <cpaelzer> hmm
[15:49] <cpaelzer> I pinged jbicha in #desktop this morning and there is no reply yet since policikit-122 is also in https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lunar-lobster-release-notes/31910 but not more in lunar
[15:49] <cpaelzer> not sure who else to ping
[15:50] <cpaelzer> ok, for this meeting let us go on
[15:50] <cpaelzer> people might read highlights/logs later
[15:50] <didrocks> I can ask about it if you want, I just need to update myself on the matter first
[15:50] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:50] <didrocks> nothing from me
[15:50] <joalif> nothing
[15:50] <slyon> didrocks: did you already have some capacity to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libstring-license-perl/+bug/2003083
[15:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2003083 in licensecheck (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libstring-license-perl" [Undecided, New]
[15:50] <slyon> (I just updated the description, to make clear the MIR is actually filed in comment #4)
[15:50] <didrocks> slyon: nope, as said when I took it "next pulse" :)
[15:50] <cpaelzer> nothing further here either
[15:50] <slyon> didrocks: ACK. thanks
[15:51] <didrocks> but it’s on my list, don’t worry
[15:51] <sarnold> a reminder to use your pto days before the end of march if you haven't; and a reminder to finish the compliance training; and a reminder to plan for 360s ;)
[15:51] <sarnold> that's it for me, hehe
[15:51] <slyon> sorry i was kind of distracted last meeting :)
[15:51] <slyon> nothing else from my side
[15:51] <cpaelzer> sarnold: so unfair
[15:52] <cpaelzer> sarnold: that keeps you busy 24/7 already :-P
[15:52] <slyon> haha
[15:52] <sarnold> cpaelzer: it feels it sometimes, yes
[15:52] <cpaelzer> my lonely picture will be wasted if you take your deserved PTO
[15:52] <slyon> don't forgett the hiring/interviews in between :)
[15:52] <cpaelzer> anyway, call this done :-)
[15:52] <sarnold> oh yes :)
[15:52] <sarnold> maybe an addendum then: cook your meals and walk your walks
[15:52] <cpaelzer> ok, give back all of us 8 minutes to fight the busy days we have
[15:52] <sarnold> \o/
[15:52] <slyon> thanks cpaelzer, all!
[15:52] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:52:50 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-03-07-15.31.moin.txt
[15:52] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[15:53] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:53] <eslerm> bye all o/ thanks cpaelzer
[15:53] <joalif> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[20:02] <kanashiro[m]> s/you/your
[20:02] <utkarsh2102> seb128: we're 4 of us!
[20:02] <kanashiro[m]> matrix bridge to IRC is not working?
[20:02] <utkarsh2102> check
[20:02] <utkarsh2102> blah blah
[20:04] <sarnold> kanashiro[m]: yeah it's busted
[20:04] <sarnold> https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/15216
[20:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 15216 in matrix-org/synapse "libera.ems.host stopped accepting incoming events from matrix.org in many rooms" [Open]
[20:08] <kanashiro[m]> sarnold: thank you for the pointer


[04:19] <froggie> this is an under utilized channel
[04:20] <cyberanger> froggie: yep
[04:21] <cyberanger> I feel over utilized everywhere else though, so it balances out
[04:23] <Unit193> I could randomly start saying nothing in here too. :P
[05:12] <cyberanger> Squirrel
[12:41] <wrst> froggie: I agree
[23:03] <froggie> I HATE GRAPHICS DRIVERS >:|
[23:04] <Unit193> sudo service lightdm stop
[23:06] <froggie> I'm trying to get mint+cinnamon up on an elderly box
[23:06] <Unit193> :3
[23:06] <froggie> cinnamon goes boom every try
[23:08] <froggie> but yay, i got xfce installed in a tty
[23:08] <Unit193> Xfce! \o/
[23:10] <froggie> I've used xfce on the laptop (omnifrog) for many long time but it died a few days ago :\


[12:33] <carlos> elmo: ping
[12:33] <elmo> moo
[12:34] <carlos> elmo: did you executed the rosetta's import daemon?
[12:34] <carlos> https://wiki.canonical.com/RosettaImportDaemon
[12:34] <elmo> err, no
[12:35] <carlos> after the reboot of launchpad's production server (macquarie)
[12:35] <elmo> launchpad_foo ?
[12:35] <elmo> the running instructions need to say from which directory to run it ...
[12:35] <carlos> don't know the production database name
[12:35] <carlos> hmm
[12:36] <carlos> the base directory is from where you execute the "make run" for launchpad
[12:36] <elmo> I don't - that's part of an init script - and this thing needs an init script too
[12:36] <carlos> don't worry about it if you don't know how to execute it, It can wait for stub or lifeless
[12:37] <elmo> I'm happy to do stuff, if you tell me to do it
[12:37] <elmo> but I don't know details like what should be in place of "_foo_"
[12:37] <carlos> elmo: I know exactly the same information you know at the moment
[12:37] <carlos> well, perhaps some extra info
[12:37] <carlos> but I don't know the location of the script in macquarie
[12:37] <carlos> or the name of the database or the database host
[12:38] <carlos> will ask stub tomorrow
[12:38] <elmo> ok
[12:38] <elmo> sorry to break stuff, but it was unfortunately necessary
[12:39] <carlos> elmo: dude, I prefer that to be hacked or DoS :-)
[12:43] <carlos> elmo: I need also to update the webpage at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/ to add a link to malone, daf said that I should ask you for it, could you do it?
[12:45] <elmo> err?
[12:45] <elmo> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com is part of launchpad
[12:46] <elmo> AFAIK stub was updating that, on Friday
[12:46] <carlos> elmo: that index file is a static page and seems to be outside launchpad
[12:47] <carlos> in fact it's not the same page we have in the dogfood server
[12:48] <carlos> but if you don't know what I'm talking about, I will wait for stub
[12:49] <carlos> it's not urgent
[12:50] <elmo> there's a separate page that was for http://launchpad.ubuntu.com, but AFAICT apache's not using it
[12:50] <elmo> it already has malone listed
[12:50] <elmo> so, if there's a page not listing malone, it must be in launchpad
[12:51] <carlos> ok
[01:25] <carlos> elmo: dogfood server is down at the moment
[06:06] <jblack> spiv: ping
[08:22] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>new build (patch-37)
[08:22] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Use size_t instead of int in one case, to fix a build failure on amd64 (#4889). (patch-66<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:34] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>new build (patch-38)
[08:34] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Use size_t instead of int, fixing a build failure on amd64 (thanks James Henstridge, #4889).  Archive-mirror'ing this time. (patch-67<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:37] <elmo> stub: ?
[02:39] <elmo> I think the postgres instance on emperor is wedged
[02:58] <carlos> cprov: ping
[03:04] <cprov> carlos: pong
[03:04] <carlos> cprov: I'm working at the moment in the script to import translations
[03:04] <carlos> and I need to create a big list of products that are not yet in the production database
[03:05] <carlos> I'm using Sources and Packages files from Hoary
[03:05] <carlos> but I want to ask you before because I don't have a direct way to get a general description for the source packages
[03:06] <carlos> I need to choose one from the binary packages for the source package, not sure if you have solved already that problem with gina
[03:07] <cprov> carlos: I'm confused,  many question :)
[03:07] <carlos> or whatever is called to create products automatically
[03:07] <carlos> cprov: ok.
[03:07] <cprov> carlos: so, what do you want to do first ?
[03:07] <carlos> I have a script to import automatically all .po and .pot files from an debian package source
[03:07] <cprov> great
[03:07] <carlos> using the web interface
[03:08] <carlos> but to be able to do that, I need to create first the products
[03:08] <carlos> I have code to do that also, using the web interface
[03:08] <cprov> carlos: from where do you want to grab the porduct info ?  from sources.gz?
[03:09] <carlos> cprov: the description and shortdescription is not at sources.gz
[03:09] <carlos> so I'm thinking on choose one of its binary packages
[03:09] <carlos> and use it
[03:09] <carlos> but I don't know if that will break anything you do in the future
[03:10] <carlos> I know that some of them will be broken, but we could fix the description later
[03:11] <cprov> carlos: if you are looking just for desc and shortdesc, nothing will be broken
[03:11] <carlos> cprov: broken == invalid information ;-)
[03:11] <cprov> carlos: btw, it is the same than nicole is doing now, supose a productname and find reliable infor about it
[03:11] <carlos> cprov: hmm, is there any way to call from my script to gina's parser of freshmeat?
[03:11] <carlos>  /s/gina/nicole/
[03:12] <cprov> carlos: if it is the case, in the future nicole will override it
[03:12] <carlos> ok
[03:13] <carlos> cprov: so, is there an easy way to reuse nicole parser?
[03:13] <cprov> carlos: i think soon will be a way to call nicole.getProductSpec(suggested_name) and get the RDF locally stored info
[03:13] <carlos> I'm not going to execute the script in the production database but in my computer submitting the info using the web interface
[03:14] <cprov> yep, import launchpad.scripts,nicole.sourceforge and feel free ;), the API won't change
[03:15] <elmo> anyone object to me forcefully restarting postgres?
[03:15] <carlos> cprov: my script is really ugly so we get the goal to import more than 100 products to translate into Rosetta so I don't mind if you change the API
[03:16] <cprov> carlos: as I said, it isn't so useful since it is slow, but when we change it to RDF maybe
[03:16] <carlos> elmo: if you restart postgres, I think you will need to restart launchpad too, not sure if that's fixed so it reconnects
[03:16] <elmo> yes, I know
[03:16] <elmo> but right now, I doubt launchpad is even working
[03:16] <elmo> certainly the authserver isn't
[03:17] <carlos> elmo: your are right, launchpad seems to be down
[03:18] <carlos> cprov: ok, will see if It's useful for me ;-)
[03:18] <carlos> cprov: thanks
[03:18] <elmo> this SUCKS
[03:18] <carlos> cprov: sourceforge?, aren't you using freshmeat?
[03:20] <morgs> carlos: the lib is called sourceforge, actually it talks to sourceforge as well as freshmeat and savannah.gnu.org - but not all repositories are equal.
[03:21] <carlos> ok
[03:21] <cprov> morgs: hi dude
[03:22] <morgs> carlos: You can go sourceforge.getProjectSpec('foo','fm') to get the details from freshmeat, or sourceforge.getProjectSpec('foo','sf') to get from sourceforge...
[03:22] <morgs> cprov: hi
[03:23] <elmo> okay, bounced.  authserver, launchpad, rosetta and importd correspondingly bounced too
[03:27] <carlos> cprov: I'm going to be the owner of those products, will nicole fix it later?
[03:28] <cprov> carlos: I hope so, anyway we can enforce it
[03:28] <carlos> ok
[04:00] <lamont> no lifeless I expect?
[04:02] <elmo> he's on a plane
[04:02] <lamont> figures
[05:26] <jblack> lamont: Ok. I'm here now.
[05:26] <jblack> Sorry. Dealing with burst pipes.
[05:36] <carlos> cprov: dude, nicol rocks
[05:37] <cprov> carlos: thank you
[05:46] <carlos> cprov: I'm creating a map table between debian source packages to freshmeat products
[05:46] <carlos> cprov: in case you are interested on it ;-)
[05:55] <cprov> carlos: sure I am ... lett me know when you finish
[05:55] <carlos> ok
[10:41] <salgado> stub!


[15:49] <dsmythies> imnichol: I saw your branch link, but never saw a MP. How about if I just change that link without an MP (which will actually be faster)?
[15:55] <imnichol> dsmythies, fine by me
[15:57] <imnichol> Yeah looks like I forgot to submit the MP
[16:18] <imnichol> Sorry about that
[16:48] <dsmythies> imnichol: It is such a trivial change, I'll just do it and credit you. Thanks for finding it.
[16:51] <imnichol> Can we mark that section completed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide#Contribution_table ?
[16:52] <imnichol> Or, I guess: can *I* mark it as completed?
[16:52] <imnichol> I see that it's high priority, and I'm not sure what else needs to be checked
[21:36] <dsmythies> imnichol: If you are happy with the section you can set the table entry to done.


[02:50] <Fredd> crazy xserver updates
[02:51] <Fredd> you guys were right about the white pixels now im getting `em all the time
[03:34] <Fredd> hey just ran all of the xorg updates and my sound is not working no more
[03:35] <Fredd> if i turn the volume really high i could hear the weird sound that speakers make when their volume is full but im not getting any audio output from any program
[03:41] <Fredd> anybody getting the same problem maybe?
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> nope
[03:44] <Fredd> JontheEchidna: did u install the updates too?
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> yes
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> but I don't see how xorg would mess up sound
[03:45] <Fredd> well it just did for me after restarting
[03:45] <Fredd> i have no sound not even core sound for like login events
[03:47] <Fredd> man where is
[03:47] <Fredd> ROAF*
[03:48] <Fredd> so anybody with any suggestions/
[03:52] <Fredd> i think im going to restart a couple of times and then it will start working just like yesterday
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> I did restart since the upgrade since dbus shat itself and killed networkmanager
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> maybe it did the same for you and killed the sound server?
[03:54] <Fredd> how do i know if its killed?
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> I don't know
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> I don't know gnome
[03:55]  * JontheEchidna uses KDE
[03:55] <Fredd> well i can turn up the volume for the volume control tool though
[03:55] <Fredd> and hear the fuzzness
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> anyway, I'm turning in for the night
[04:35] <DanaG> Oh hey, is it possible to "convert" a 32-bit system to 64-bit?
[04:35] <DanaG> .... or at least to match package states and config files?
[04:40] <pwnguin> you could dpkg -l > file
[04:40] <pwnguin> but i guess the config files are tricky
[04:42] <DanaG> Well, luckily, the new laptop (not available until "mid-september" :(  ) will offer a way to stick a second hard drive it in.
[04:42] <DanaG> I'll be able to keep  the old one around for config file retrieval.
[05:45] <spiritssight> what alpha is out now
[05:59] <nteon> hi friends
[06:00] <nteon> dumb question: how do I change runlevels in 8.10?  'telinit 3' and 'start rc3' both do nuffin
[06:01] <nteon> (both commands run as root)
[06:08] <nteon> 'initctl start rc3' also doesn't do what it should
[06:09] <nteon> maybe when I finish updating upstart will work correctly.
[06:14] <DanaG> how about init 3?
[06:24] <nteon> DanaG: no, that doesn't work either
[06:24] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:25] <G_009> Doo
[06:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, Ubuntu doesn't have anything but '1' and 'everything else' -- upstart doesn't work the same way as runlevels in other distros.
[06:25] <nteon> DanaG: really?  how am I suppose to kill X then?
[06:25] <G_009> ctrlaltdel
[06:25] <DanaG> nope
[06:26] <nteon> (and why are there jobs for all runlevels)
[06:26] <DanaG> invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[06:26] <DanaG> er, sudo it.
[06:27] <nteon> DanaG: is there documentation for this anywhere?
[06:27] <nteon> (and thanks!)
[06:28] <G_009> !x
[06:33] <cypherdelic> Nice, last updates of kernel make my bootanimation of mythbuntu came back, good work, i chang emy bug
[06:35] <Fredd> still no luck guys
[06:35] <Fredd> no more sound!
[06:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[06:36] <DanaG> Isn't that a lovely feature?
[06:37] <cypherdelic> Where to put a command to load it BEFORE XServer (it is 'nvidia-settings -l'? Please help.
[06:37] <Fredd> they are not called bugs just unwanted features
[06:43] <G_009> shame on you for using KDE
[06:43] <G_009> :-
[06:43] <G_009> p
[06:43] <Fredd> anybody could help me with this sound problem?
[06:44] <Fredd> i just dont understand how could a xserver update just completely blackout my sound...i have checked every settings for sound and im pretty sure nothing has changed...
[06:45] <nteon> I have an unrelated sound query: I hear the noise for when GDM (yay for me for using GNOME!) loads, but once I log in it seems to think I don't have any sound devices
[06:53] <Fredd> well finally about time i got it to work lol
[06:54] <Fredd> and no more white pixelz!
[06:55] <Fredd> if any of you guys wanted to know...i went "sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils", "sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils", and finally "sudo apt-get install gdm ubuntustudio-desktop"//since im running ubuntustudio
[07:02] <Fredd> from now i guess i just have to be carefull with what i install in terms of libaries and packages
[09:19] <DanaG> wtf... my hda device disappeared from PulseAudio!
[09:19] <DanaG> ... and I can't unload the driver... it's in use
[09:19] <DanaG> ... and yet, nothing is using /dev/snd/*
[09:20] <DanaG> oh wait, mixer applet was using it... but still, it's odd that PulseAudio dropped it.
[11:35] <telexicon> i have some different models of dell servers available, would anybody be interested in the results if i tested installing/using intrepid server on them?
[11:40] <telexicon> for example dell poweredge 2450, 1550/2550, 1650/2650, 2850, 1950/2950 and R805
[12:11] <Technofrood> How do I enable raid4-5 in the kernel? (trying to access an nvidia fakeraid raid5 array, but dmraid claims "ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid4-5" not in kernel")
[12:12] <Technofrood> I had it working in 8.04 before I upgraded but it doesn't seem to work anymore
[12:18] <ikonia> Technofrood: mod probe it, but keep in mind that fake raid is aBAD technology
[12:20] <Technofrood> I did mooodprobe dm-raid-4-5 and got no erros but dmraid -ay still claims its not in kernel
[12:20] <ikonia> Technofrood: does lsmod show it loaded
[12:20] <ikonia> and again keep in mind fake raid is just a massive problem technology as a whole
[12:21] <ikonia> (in my opinion it should be dropped)
[12:21] <Technofrood> Except I need it for when I'm in windows
[12:21] <ikonia> Technofrood: you don't "need" it
[12:21] <ikonia> there are other raid technologies
[12:21] <ikonia> windows has a software raid function
[12:21] <ikonia> the ame as linux
[12:21] <Technofrood> Is there a softwaer raid that works in both windows and linux?
[12:21] <ikonia> same
[12:21] <ikonia> no
[12:22] <ikonia> the whole point of software raid is that its managed by the host OS
[12:22] <ikonia> (not the whole point)
[12:22] <Technofrood> Thus I wouldbn't be able to share files between the two then
[12:22] <Technofrood> which defets the point of trying toi get it to work
[12:22] <ikonia> not on the raid partition, but on a seperate non-raid partition would be fine
[12:23] <Technofrood> I don't happen to have a spare 1.36TB single disk though
[12:23] <ikonia> also keep in mind using 8.10 your using unstable software so trying to get this working for a "stable" purpose is a moving target
[12:23] <ikonia> does lsmod show your modules loaded ?
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_raid4_5             73100  0
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_region_hash         19328  1 dm_raid4_5
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_mem_cache           12672  1 dm_raid4_5
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_message             11008  1 dm_raid4_5
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_log                 17540  3 dm_raid4_5,dm_region_hash,dm_mirror
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_mod                 61640  3 dm_raid4_5,dm_mirror,dm_log
[12:24] <ikonia> all looks great except for the 0 instance of dm_raid4_5
[12:26] <ikonia> what does the syslog say when you are issuing your dmraid commands ?
[12:26] <Technofrood> Aug 16 12:26:42 ubuntu klogd: [ 2404.108015] device-mapper: table: 254:0: raid4-5: unknown target type
[12:27] <Technofrood> Aug 16 12:26:42 ubuntu klogd: [ 2404.108015] device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[12:27] <ikonia> Technofrood: what command are you doing to cause that
[12:29] <Technofrood> dmraid -ay
[12:31] <ikonia> can you do a -c on the block device ?
[12:33] <Technofrood> silly question which one?
[12:33] <siimo> hey.. anyone have issue with boot cd? boot.iso when i try to boot with it i get an error:  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(104,1)
[12:33] <Technofrood> it lists all the drive idividually
[12:33] <siimo> or something strange like that
[12:34] <ikonia> Technofrood: one of the ones thats not working
[12:34] <ikonia> Technofrood: as in the device mapper device
[12:35] <Technofrood> /dev/mapper/nvidia_hbcgcebg1?
[12:37] <siimo> anyone?
[12:37] <ikonia> well what ever your devices are
[12:37] <ikonia> siimo: for some reason it can't see your disk
[12:37] <Technofrood> that's what I would use to access it normally but its not there
[12:37] <ikonia> Technofrood: ok - so the device isn't created via device mapper yet
[12:37] <siimo> hmm this is the boot cd though.. if it cant see my drive then thats a major fail..
[12:38] <ikonia> well, it's not good
[12:38] <ikonia> Technofrood: did the modules auto load, or did you have to force them with modprobe (I know you said you modprobed them beore)
[12:38] <siimo> i think even dapper worked on this machine so i cant see why the kernel cant recognize my drive now
[12:39] <ikonia> siimo: what has dapper got to do with anything ?
[12:39] <ikonia> siimo: your using a development release of a product that is over 2 months away from release
[12:39] <siimo> i meant this isnt some new hardware.. sata chip
[12:39] <siimo> yes i know that... but it is using a stable version of kernel so it shouldnt fail at such a basic thing even if it is pre alpha
[12:39] <ikonia> siimo: 1.) have you checked the vailidy of your CD 2.) have you checked the vailidy of the image you burnt 3.) how certain are you it's actaully booting from cd
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: a stable version of the kernel ???
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: it's in development
[12:40] <siimo> 2.6.26 is final
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: so ?
[12:40] <siimo> yes i burnt twice.. i have checked cd
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: how did you check the cD ?
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: how did you check the iso ?
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: how much ram does your machine have ?
[12:40] <siimo> by downloading it multiple times from multiple sources and comparing the md5
[12:40] <siimo> 2GB
[12:41] <ikonia> siimo: how did you verify the cd ?
[12:41] <siimo> how do you verify it when buring? yes i did that
[12:41] <ikonia> siimo: how did you veify the burnt cd ?
[12:42] <siimo> by using the verify option in the CD burning program
[12:42] <ikonia> and that passed %100 ?
[12:42] <siimo> yes
[12:42] <ikonia> siimo: your not using any form of raid on the disk
[12:42] <siimo> no, just a standard sata drive in IDE mode
[12:43] <ikonia> part of that looks like a CD error
[12:43] <ikonia> or ram error
[12:43] <ikonia> as it's unompressing into ram
[12:43] <ikonia> eg: the root file system it's trying to mount is squash FS
[12:43] <ikonia> that is unompressed into ram
[12:43] <siimo> theres no ram error im using old version of ubuntu and has been running stable for 19 days without rebooting..
[12:44] <siimo> before i rebooted to run this CD
[12:44] <ikonia> that doesn't really mean much
[12:44] <ikonia> have you tried the CD on another machine yet
[12:44] <siimo> not to mention i been using suspend2ram a lot too, im pretty sure theres no hardware problem
[12:44] <siimo> no, ill try it on another machine now
[12:44] <ikonia> siimo: have you ran memcheck for a couple of hours ?
[12:45] <ikonia> as for what ever reason it's unable to mount what it consideres a root file system, which on a livecd is squashfs uncompressed to ram
[12:45] <siimo> ikonia: like i said theres no need to memcheck this is my everyday machine and is 100% stable.. like you say it could be CD fault or bug in the kernel
[12:45] <ikonia> siimo: are there any warnings before that message
[12:45] <ikonia> siimo: there is a need to memcheck it
[12:45] <ikonia> siimo: every day use does not mean no problem
[12:46] <siimo> true but a pre alpha quality software is more likely to be the problem than my stable system
[12:46] <ikonia> not nessasry at that problem
[12:46] <ikonia> you could have a 1 meg of fault and this hashmap wants to use that 1 meg
[12:48] <siimo> CD is fine
[12:48] <siimo> just tested in a VM
[12:48] <ikonia> well thats a good start
[12:48] <ikonia> and an excellent way to test
[12:49] <siimo> no i think might be incompatible with my hardware.. or maybe i have too many partitions i have 9 of them and ive had a live CD or two have problem with that
[12:49] <ikonia> nah, partitions shouldn't matter as it's unompcressing to ram
[12:49] <ikonia> and with 2GB it shouldn't need to touch the disk
[12:49] <ikonia> you should be able to boot with no physical disk attatched
[12:50] <siimo> i also no that i need to pass the noapic boot parameter othervise kernel panics too
[12:50] <ikonia> I don't see that as a major issue
[12:50] <ikonia> many boards need boot options
[12:50] <siimo> whats worrying is that in VM the cd booted up with the boot screen with various options
[12:51] <siimo> in real system it stops at boot prompt
[12:51] <ikonia> why is that worring ?
[12:51] <ikonia> worrying?
[12:51] <siimo> and i type "linux noapic"  am i supposed to pass anything else
[12:51] <siimo> like kernel name
[12:51] <ikonia> no
[12:51] <ikonia> you type linux noapci ? where do you type that ?
[12:51] <siimo> like i said i dont get the boot screen with options.. i just get black screen with boot prompt
[12:51] <ikonia> are you pressing F6 boot boot options ?
[12:52] <siimo> pressing F1-6 has no effect
[12:52] <ikonia> siimo: what's a boot prompt ?
[12:52] <siimo> the word boot and a : after it
[12:52] <siimo> rest of the screen empty
[12:52] <ikonia> siimo: there is something very wrong there
[12:53] <ikonia> siimo: I suspect thats why your getting the wront rootFS
[12:53] <ikonia> siimo: your not giving the correct boot options from that boot prompt
[12:53] <ikonia> siimo: nor should you be execpted to though
[12:53] <ikonia> expected
[12:53] <siimo> the spalash menu should work,, not sure why it doesnt load
[12:53] <ikonia> yes, thats the problem there
[12:54] <ikonia> (not that the splash screen doesn't work - the fact that the splash screen is not there to pass the correct boot options)
[12:55] <siimo> ill give it another go brb
[12:55] <ikonia> I don't think rebooting will change anything
[12:58] <siimo> cool problem solved
[12:59] <siimo> i tried pressing f1 to f6 and managed to get txt help.. then typed install noapic and that worked.. i guess linux noapic was wrong
[13:03] <danbhfive> anyone know whats going on with this idea? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/40/
[13:03] <danbhfive> The launchpad link is dead
[13:21] <ikonia> danbhfive: contact the project team
[13:22] <danbhfive> ikonia: but the link is dead... how do I find the project team?
[13:22] <danbhfive> https://launchpad.net/hwtest
[13:23] <danbhfive> I think Ill just post to the launchpad mailing list
[13:24] <ikonia> seems sensible as your question isn't really anything aimed at ubuntu+1
[13:26] <as1965> Has anyone installed intrepid alpha4 alternate ISO i386? I have tried twice now - and it stops after ~70% (base system) wanting another CDROM
[13:27] <as1965> It wants the disk labelled "Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ Aplha i386 (20080813)"
[13:27] <as1965> A "mwdia change" - I have to reboot (cannot go back or continue)
[13:28] <as1965> The first time I rebooted - it hosed my original boot loader and I had to "recover" (reinstall grub)
[15:49] <siimo> hi, when using a custom compiled kernel.. my mouse doesnt work at all in ibex.. but it works in normal ubuntu kernel, any ideas? its a PS2 mouse and i have compiled the drivers in properly.. the same kernel works elsewhere
[16:12] <as1965> siimo: might be worth checking the diff between your kernel config and the ibex kernel config (as per /boot)
[19:12] <Sharpie> flash content makes firefox slow down to a halt. is this a reported bug or does this only happen to me?
[19:59] <PolitikerALT> Hello everyone - I got a problem: I have a long boot time, maybe because vol_id takes 20 secs or so - how can I avoid this?
[20:16] <Volkodav> if I have Ethernet jack bad in my laptop will the USBtoRj-45 help or it will use the same busted network card?
[20:43] <doggymenz> anyone have problem with audio skipping?
[21:52] <cycom> is there any word from AMD/ATI when the newest fglrx will be available and ready for Xorg 7.4?
[21:52] <cycom> or a decent procedure for downgrading hardy's 7.4 to 7.3 so I can use the old fglrx?
[21:52] <cycom> downgrading intrepid's*
[22:02] <DanaG> Does the open-source driver not work for you?
[22:02] <cycom> DanaG: not for 3d and compiz...
[22:02] <DanaG> Aah, right.
[22:03] <DanaG> Well, at least that situation is better than the situation with nvidia 71 drivers.
[22:03] <crdlb> cycom: what model is it?
[22:03] <DanaG> NVIDIA 71 is just plain broken -- and 'nv' sucks.
[22:03] <cycom> crdlb: what model of video card? Mobility Radeon X1300
[22:04] <cycom> DanaG: I was fortunate enough to have a GeForce Go 7300 to stick in my laptop to replace the Mobility Radeon X1400 that was in it
[22:04] <crdlb> R500 should have compiz support with latest stuff
[22:04] <DanaG> You must've been doubly fortunate to have MXM.
[22:05] <DanaG> My next laptop will have an ATI HD3650.
[22:05] <cycom> crdlb: with which drivers?
[22:05] <crdlb> open source driver
[22:05] <DanaG> With the current state of radeonhd and that card, do the closed-source drivers give any benefit over the open ones?
[22:06] <cycom> crdlb: if so, AWESOME, because intrepid is the first release to support suspend/resume on that laptop as well :)
[22:06] <cycom> DanaG: MXM?
[22:06] <cycom> crdlb: I'll have to pull the Alpha 4 iso down and try it
[22:06] <crdlb> I know it requires mesa 7.1, which intrepid has
[22:06] <DanaG> MXM... a GPU on a card, that's changeable.
[22:06] <crdlb> I don't know if intrepid has all the other pieces though
[22:06] <cycom> DanaG: oh :)
[22:07] <crdlb> DanaG: radeonhd still has hardly any 3d support, right?
[22:07] <cycom> crdlb: would the LiveCD let me know?
[22:08] <crdlb> yes
[22:08] <cycom> ok. I'll give it a shot.
[22:08] <DanaG> The only 3D thing I do is Compiz-Fusion, anyway.
[22:08] <DanaG> All my games are in Windows.
[22:08] <crdlb> although you'll have to override that ridiculous blacklist for compiz if that hasn't been removed in intrepid
[22:09] <cycom> that's easy enough to do.
[22:09] <DanaG> Lovely feature: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[22:09] <cycom> I wonder if my fingerprint reader will work.
[22:09] <cycom> I saw some software, but it doesn't seem to use the fingerprint reader's stored prints, so...
[22:10] <cycom> or more than one finger, for that matter.
[22:11] <DanaG> libpam-fprint
[22:11] <DanaG> and fprint-tools
[22:11] <DanaG> google for "gdm fingerprint"
[22:12] <cycom> cool
[22:13] <cycom> I'll worry about that later I suppose.  I'm busy slurping down the intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[22:13] <DanaG> I'm going to get this (15") laptop when it's available: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M525c5454f12.0.html
[22:13] <DanaG> With the ATI card, not nvidia.
[22:13] <cycom> why?
[22:19] <DanaG> For the sake of having open-source video drivers.
[22:19] <DanaG> I'm sick of dealing with nvidia... it's given me nothing but headaches, in both Windows and Linux.
[22:21] <cycom> DanaG: I had no trouble with intrepid and my nvidia card...
[22:21] <cycom> and on my vista 64 bit desktop, my GeForce 9600 GT works great!
[22:21] <DanaG> Still, I also want to support the spirit of open-source.
[22:22] <DanaG> ... and nvidia has also had that "defective cards" issue.
[22:22] <cycom> My 7950 failed, and the company sent me a free 9600GT because they were out of 7950
[22:22] <cycom> every company has defective hadware at some point.
[22:24] <DanaG> ... anyway, open-source is a big thing.
[22:24] <DanaG> ... and nvidia's Windows control panel sucks; frankly, I prefer the ATI one.  And ATI's Hydravision is now available on Vista; NView isn't.
[22:24] <DanaG> ... and you can use the awesome ATI Tray Tools with ATI..... but not with nvidia, of course.
[22:26] <DanaG> Ugh, this dmesg spam is lame.
[22:26] <DanaG> dmesg | grep preamble | wc -l
[22:26] <DanaG> 1533
[22:26] <DanaG> [65165.329291] wlan0: switched to long barker preamble (BSSID=00:16:01:d6:9b:a8)
[22:26] <DanaG> [65168.460223] wlan0: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:16:01:d6:9b:a8)            .... over and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over
[22:35] <cycom> crdlb: ok, compiz.real dumps errors about GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[22:36] <crdlb> cycom: what does 'glxinfo | grep direct' say?
[22:36] <cycom> crdlb: direct rendering: Yes
[22:36] <crdlb> cycom: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:37] <cycom> crdlb: it's the default from the liveCD, just FYI
[22:38] <cycom> my Xorg.conf that is
[22:38] <crdlb> but that's not what I'm looking for :>
[22:38] <cycom> crdlb: I understand :)
[22:39] <cycom> paste.ubuntu.com work for you?
[22:39] <crdlb> of course :)
[22:40] <cycom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/38048/
[22:40] <cycom> there you go
[22:42] <cycom> ohho. compiz: found laptop using ati driver.
[22:42] <crdlb> ohhhh
[22:43] <crdlb> you ran compiz.real directly?
[22:43] <cycom> yes. also, I ran it as sudo
[22:43] <crdlb> argh
[22:43] <crdlb> why on earth would you use sudo?
[22:43] <cycom> all my fault. sorry :/
[22:43] <crdlb> but now this makes sense
[22:43] <crdlb> run: SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[22:44] <crdlb> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 needs to be set for compiz to work on AIGLX
[22:44] <crdlb> which the compiz script (upstream: compiz-manager) handles for you
[22:45] <cycom> alrighty, so if I tell it SKIP_CHECK=yes, compiz should work?
[22:45] <crdlb> CHECKS*
[22:46] <crdlb> but yes, try that in a terminal
[22:46] <cycom> ok dokie
[22:46] <cycom> hrm...
[22:46] <cycom> I seem to be getting fading and things...
[22:46] <cycom> lets see if wobbly windows works
[22:46] <crdlb> press super+E
[22:47] <cycom> ah yes, expo works
[22:47] <cycom> amazing!
[22:47] <crdlb> nice, thx for testing :>
[22:47] <cycom> this means that I can install ubuntu on my Toshiba and be happy :)
[22:47] <cycom> thanks for the help!
[22:47]  * crdlb makes a note that R500 works with compiz in intrepid
[22:48] <cycom> if my laptop comes out of suspend...
[22:48] <cycom> OH YEAH!
[22:48] <cycom> Works like a charm.
[22:49] <cycom> Time for an install
[23:27] <cycom> hey crdlb, any idea what's up with the psychadelic ptys and such on boot?
[23:28] <crdlb> not a clue
[23:28] <crdlb> sounds like a feature :P
[23:28] <cycom> I'm getting like black and gray or red and gray lines or just a bunch of blocks and things
[23:28] <cycom> but then X pops up just fine
[23:28] <cycom> very strange.
[23:28] <cycom> I can't read any boot messages at all.
[23:28] <cycom> more than one laptop too.  NVidia AND ATI video cards.
[23:43] <JollyGiant> cycom: blacklist uvesafb in the initramfs
[23:44] <JollyGiant> cycom: or maybe install v86d