[09:58] <AlexExtreme> hmm, in ubuntu, does usplash get started by the initramfs or is it started by the init scripts?
[09:59] <_ion> It's started ASAP from initramfs.
[09:59] <AlexExtreme> thought so
[10:03] <AlexExtreme> btw _ion, did you get anywhere with your event based mounting ideas?
[10:04] <_ion> I haven't yet got around to implementing any of that.
[10:04] <AlexExtreme> k
[09:04] <mbiebl> Keybuk: hi
[09:44] <Keybuk> hey
[09:55] <mbiebl> I noticed when I symlink an upstart job file into /etc/event.d, upstart does not recognize when the file is changed.
[09:55] <Keybuk> right
[09:55] <mbiebl> Is that a limitation of inotify?
[09:55] <Keybuk> or a feature
[09:56] <Keybuk> more a filesystem limitation
[09:56] <Keybuk> since when changing a file, one would have to search the entire disk for symlinks to it, in order to update their directory entries
[09:57] <mbiebl> why that?
[09:57] <Keybuk> because the alternative would be every time you make a symlink, storing a back link somewhere in the linked-to file's inode
[09:58] <Keybuk> and that simply doesn't work with relative symlinks ;)
[09:58] <Keybuk> since they can be on filesystems that can be mounted anywhere
[09:58] <Keybuk> thus refer to different paths
[09:58] <Keybuk> (not to mention that it wouldn't work with cross-filesystem symlinks)
[09:59] <mbiebl> Hm, maybe I don't get it. If /etc/event.d/foo is a symlink to /lib/upstart/foo, why would you have to store a back link?
[09:59] <Md> the solution would be to use inotify on each symlink in the directory. may or may not be worth the effort (see the debian-devel thread about udev and the same problem)
[10:01] <Keybuk> because upstart watches /etc/event.d for changes
[10:01] <Keybuk> and changing /lib/upstart/foo doesn't change that directory
[10:01] <Keybuk> it changes the /lib/upstart directory
[10:01] <Keybuk> and there's nothing there telling the filesystem that there's a symlink in the /etc/event.d directory and you might want to touch that too
[10:01] <Keybuk> personally I think it's a feature, since it means you can have a set of files that are explicitly *not* watched
[10:02] <mbiebl> I guess, you're right


[02:11] <jfer> hi has anyone used an ipod touch with banshee
[02:11] <jfer> ?
[02:17] <nisshh> jfer, no, i havent, but it should work fine
[02:17] <nisshh> if not, fall back to rhythmbox
[02:22] <jfer> ok banshee won't transcode my ogg files for ipod
[02:22] <nisshh> jfer, ogg doesnt work on ipod's does it?
[02:22] <nisshh> doesnt*
[02:22] <nisshh> i thought ipods only liked MP3's
[02:23] <bradm> nisshh: correct
[02:23] <jfer> yes but i thought that banshee had the ability to transode for the device connected
[02:23] <nisshh> yeah
[02:23] <bradm> nisshh: last time I tried messing with my new ipod touch with linux it wouldn't sync, something about the latest firmware
[02:23] <nisshh> jfer, i dont know
[02:24] <nisshh> bradm, yeah, its a dark place i hope to never have to visit :)
[02:24] <jfer> i think that i am missing some packages that allow this to happen
[02:24] <nisshh> jfer, yeah, possibly
[02:24] <nisshh> jfer, Google :)
[02:24] <jfer> i already have
[02:25] <jfer> but i will give rhythmbox a go first
[02:25] <nisshh> ok
[02:25] <nisshh> jfer, oh wait, i remember
[02:26] <nisshh> jfer, Banshee has a plugin for ipods/iphone/etc
[02:26] <nisshh> just enable it
[02:26] <iflema> rhythmbox will need to be set to mp3 aac etc. and extra packages are required... install sound juicer i think cover that cant remember.... outa here
[02:27] <nisshh> jfer, what iflema just said :)
[02:49] <sagaci> afternoon
[03:24] <head_victim> Gday sagaci
[03:25] <sagaci> how are you
[03:25] <head_victim> Nice and warm, just finished mowing, yourself?
[03:34] <sagaci> not too bad
[03:50] <nisshh> hey sagaci
[04:21] <sagaci> nisshh: i'm getting along with the c++ thing, bought two books and went through a chapter yesterday
[04:21] <sagaci> <3
[04:22] <nisshh> sagaci, nice, you got the K&R book?
[04:22] <sagaci> nah, deitel, how to program
[04:22] <nisshh> ah right
[04:22] <sagaci> packed with exercises, much better than the dummies book
[04:22] <nisshh> get the K&R book, its for C, but its still relevant
[04:22] <nisshh> let me find the link
[04:22] <nisshh> hehe
[04:23] <sagaci> but a bit more expensive
[04:23] <nisshh> sagaci, here: http://www.computer-books.us/c_5.php
[04:23] <nisshh> thats a free download for a pdf
[04:23] <nisshh> its not THE K&R book
[04:23] <nisshh> but its similar
[04:24] <nisshh> written in the same way
[04:25] <sagaci> yeah, have you done much in C
[04:25] <nisshh> no
[04:25] <nisshh> not really
[04:26] <nisshh> but im up to chapter 4 in that PDF
[04:26] <nisshh> and ive written a few very simple C programs
[04:26] <nisshh> i just dabble basically
[04:26] <nisshh> im mostly a Python programmer
[04:26] <nisshh> sagaci, ^^
[04:27] <sagaci> converters etc
[04:27] <nisshh> no, i dont even know what a converter is :)
[04:28] <nisshh> how sad is that :)
[04:28] <sagaci> sorry, i just mean convert input from the user into other values
[04:28] <sagaci> temperatures, distance, etc
[04:31] <nisshh> oh right
[04:37] <sagaci> nisshh: do you use an ide
[04:38] <nisshh> sagaci, nope, im a vim dude! :)
[04:39] <nisshh> vim is awesome
[04:41] <sagaci> fair enough, each to their own
[04:45] <nisshh> hehe
[09:06] <Blank__> wow, people take their real name seriously around here don't they
[09:11] <elky> most people don't change it from the default. additionally, most people's accounts are named the same as them.
[10:37] <sagaci> who's boden matthews - sounds familiar but what's his screenname
[10:41] <sagaci> nisshh: ping
[11:34] <linux_direction> hi room : )
[12:59] <nisshh> sagaci, hmmmmm?
[13:01] <nisshh> sagaci, if you wanted me for something, now is a good time, im heading to bed in a minute
[13:05] <sagaci> nisshh: have you been doing an classroom tutes for this channel
[13:06] <sagaci> just saw it on the wiki, that's all
[13:08] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, thats happening, its still in the planning stage though :)
[13:09] <sagaci> fair enough
[13:52] <redroo> request info re brisbane ubuntu group


[12:52] <johnlittle> http://www.tuxresources.org/blog/?p=71
[12:53] <Burgwork> cool
[12:55] <johnlittle> just added a link to their video wiki to the flash free block
[12:55] <johnlittle> in the flash free block
[12:56] <johnlittle> im still high on mega doses of theraflu
[01:53] <lophyte> nixternal?
[09:56] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: hi
[09:56] <Madpilot> hi livingdaylight
[09:57] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: no, pressure - just wondered how you were getting on with the leaflet project   :D
[09:57] <Madpilot> still haven't finished that pamphlet - no time over the weekend... might have some time Thursday
[09:57] <livingdaylight> k
[09:58] <jenda> What's that, Madpilot?
[09:59] <Madpilot> jenda, an Ubuntu version of the Kubuntu leaflet that's in example-content
[09:59] <jenda> Aha
[09:59] <jenda> alrighty
[10:00] <jenda> BTW, I'm thinking of having posters and/or leaflets printed out en masse and shipped out like the stickers
[10:00] <jenda> (The stickers were an experimental/proof of concept batch for this reason)
[10:00] <Madpilot> livingdaylight was wondering why there wasn't an Ubuntu version already, I told him to email me the text for it, and I'd do the design work - he did the text, I still haven't finished the layout in Inkscape
[10:02] <jenda> Sounds good
[10:02] <jenda> if it looks good - I'll use it ;)
[10:02] <jenda> But I'm inclined more towards posters, really.
[10:03] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: I'm still wondering why there isn't an Ubuntu version!
[10:04] <livingdaylight> I must ask Mark next time i see him ^^
[10:04] <Madpilot> jenda, basic layout, w/o text: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ubuntu-pamphlet01.png
[10:05] <jenda> Alrighty, I gotta go now though.
[10:05] <Madpilot> livingdaylight, like I said when you first asked, "Because nobody made one" :)
[10:05] <jenda> Looks good - could even be made into a poster
[10:05] <Madpilot> it could be, actually, although there's really too much text planned for it to be a good poster.
[10:05] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: That basic layout is juicy. Me likes. And you did that in like 5 seconds - Amazing!
[10:05] <jenda> Madpilot: you think you could tone a bit _from_ pink _towards_ brown? ;)
[10:05] <Madpilot> that layout would work for posters, though
[10:06] <jenda> yes, that's what I had in mind
[10:06] <Madpilot> jenda, you mean the brownish colour in the two large boxes?
[10:06] <elkbuntu> its not even connecting for me Madpilot :|
[10:06] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: is it now just about copy and pasting the text into text boxes?
[10:06] <jenda> nah, I meant the background. Looks a little too pink to me.
[10:07] <Madpilot> livingdaylight, when I finish writing the text, yes
[10:07] <livingdaylight> background is a nice apricot color - not pink
[10:07] <Madpilot> jenda, it's orange shading to white - not sure where you get pink from :)
[10:07] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: was my text not good?
[10:07] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, no? it's my standard webspace, it should work...
[10:07] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: i'm getting apricot flavor - yum
[10:08] <jenda> Madpilot: must be my eyes ;)
[10:08] <Madpilot> livingdaylight, it's fine, but you left several paragraphs as "identical to original" which means I have to retype them, that's all
[10:08] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, i cant say i've ever gotten to warbard.ca and i've oft tried to see the link in your quit message
[10:08] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, very strange - I've had the domain for several years now...
[10:08] <livingdaylight>  Madpilot thought it'd be just a matter of copy and pasting it
[10:08] <Madpilot> livingdaylight, you can't copy & paste out of a png
[10:09] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, it gives the timeout error
[10:09] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, odd
[10:09] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: change png to something else? open in gimp or something?
[10:09] <Madpilot> livingdaylight, wouldn't help - you can't copy text out of a bitmapped image
[10:09] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, you dont have any ips/hosts/whatever banned from it do you?
[10:10] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, I don't, no, but the provider might, I guess
[10:10] <elkbuntu> until now i'd figured it was run from a home server that you turned off each night or something
[10:10] <Madpilot> nope, I pay actual money for that webspace ;)
[10:12] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: are you saying if i typed those texts which i ommitted i.e where the paragraphs are simply replaced with Ubunut, it would make your life alot easier?
[10:12] <Madpilot> livingdaylight, it would have, but I've done most of the re-typing already, so no worries
[10:12] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: sorry, man
[11:31] <Madpilot> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8581/ubpamphletprogress2pi2.png <-- WiP shot of the Ubuntu leaflet; got the first half of the text done
[11:33] <jenda> Looks very good, Madpilot
[11:34] <Madpilot> thanks - and it's on imageshack this time so even elkbuntu can see it ;)
[11:36] <elkbuntu> wow.. probably better than i could do. im not so good at doing "glossy" stuff
[11:36] <elkbuntu> although.. what about some justified alignment?
[11:37] <jenda> But I'm in the minority on that.
[11:37] <elkbuntu> it makes some things more readable
[11:38] <KenSentMe> jenda: thanks for sending the Ubuntu Stickers
[11:38] <jenda> KenSentMe: thx for support ;)
[11:38] <KenSentMe> jenda: they arrived within a few days, perfect
[11:38] <jenda>
[11:55] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, Inkscape currently can't do fully justified alignment :|
[11:55] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, o.O
[11:55] <elkbuntu> how rude
[11:56] <Madpilot> well, 0.43 can't; 0.44 might be able to, but I haven't installed it from backports yet
[11:59] <jenda> I'm quite sure it can...
[11:59] <jenda> It can even justify along curves :)
[12:07] <elkbuntu> what did i miss?
[12:11] <jenda> ummm... some silence
[12:11] <elkbuntu> what was the last thing you guys saw from me?
[12:11] <Klaidas> :)
[12:12] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, your comment about doing rude things to inkscape ;)
 gah.. i just realised how far behind in constructing the surveys this awful flu has put me
[12:13] <elkbuntu> thats what i said after that
[12:13] <Madpilot> not here, you didn't
[12:13] <elkbuntu> last i saw from anyone was jenda saying it can justify along curves
[12:14] <elkbuntu> but that was before i said the last bit.. oh well.. flu still messing with me
[12:14] <Madpilot> lag
[12:14] <elkbuntu> i considered the possibility but after 5 minutes of nothing even from #ubuntu i decided to reconnect :P
[12:15] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, my quit message link on imageshack, because my domain doesn't like you: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3285/cthulhubuntulogooj7.png
[12:15] <Madpilot> ;)
[12:16] <elkbuntu> i discovered i can use a web proxy to see the site but those things are annoying
[12:16] <elkbuntu> ROFL!
[12:16] <elkbuntu> ++
[12:17] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, which country are you in?
[12:17] <jenda> Hahahaa...
[12:17] <elkbuntu> australia
[12:17] <Madpilot> I'm going to fire a trouble ticket off to my webspace provider, asking why you can't see my site
[12:18] <elkbuntu> before you do, would you like me to check with some other people with the same isp?
[12:19] <Madpilot> sure - is internode a nation-wide ISP down there?
[12:20] <elkbuntu> not sure about nationwide but it certainly covers more than one state
[12:20] <elkbuntu> if Kamping_Kaiser would stop installing windows and novell we might be able to ask him here
[12:21] <Madpilot> well, if I bug my space provider, we can at least find out if the problem is them or your ISP - ie, which end the blocking/filtering is happening at...
[12:21] <elkbuntu> yeah
[12:22] <elkbuntu> (speaking of webspace) MitchM, ping
[12:25] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, I'm going to crash - it's past 0300 here - but let me know tomorrow if other internode users can see my site
[12:25] <elkbuntu> yep sure. sleep well
[12:25] <Madpilot> or get my email address from my wiki.u.c user page
[12:25] <elkbuntu> im sure we'll speak tomorrow
[12:26] <Madpilot> I'm usually around :)
[12:26] <Madpilot> g'night
[12:27] <KenSentMe> night
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, node is national
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i havent had blockiing issues
[06:24] <mitchese> hey all... im looking for ubuntu pamphlets which i can hand out to family members / friends ... something along the lines of openoffice's marketing found here: http://marketing.openoffice.org/2.0/marketingmaterials.html
[06:24] <mitchese> are there any ready-made ones (all I could find on the wiki was presentations)
[06:46] <Burgwork> mitchese, DIYMarketing has some and madpilot has also been working on one
[06:54] <mitchese> ah thanks for that :)
[07:38] <MitchM>  ping elkbuntu