[05:54] <craigbrash> morning all :)
[15:29] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[15:30] <craigzim> hellooo Kilos
[15:31] <Kilos> hows things in zim craigzim
[15:31] <Kilos> nice and warm here
[15:31] <Kilos> i love summer
[15:31] <craigzim> dark cloudy and no electrickery
[15:32] <craigzim> :)
[15:36] <craigzim> so when we have the next meeting ?
[15:42] <Kilos> hmm... i see the topic bar hasnt been updated yet
[15:43] <Kilos> 4th wednesday of the month it will be
[20:26] <elacheche_anis> o/


[01:28] <Etienne_> hy
[01:29] <Guest71583> hy
[01:32] <delcerro> hello, I installed google chrome in kubuntu 15.10 32 bits but do not work. How can I uninstalled?
[01:36] <delcerro> Is there anyone who can help me with this issue?
[02:04] <erwinrobe> hi
[03:23] <TBotNik> All, What is the best way to get the size of an inserted flash drive?  Examples please!
[03:23] <TBotNik> All, thinking BASH script here!
[04:11] <j_yao_SUSE> any  use   gerrit ?
[04:12] <j_yao_SUSE> > error: unpack failed: error Out of memory loading unknown object
[04:12] <j_yao_SUSE> > fatal: Unpack error, check server log
[04:13] <j_yao_SUSE> > To ssh://***********418/JY-shushang-springmvc
[04:13] <j_yao_SUSE> >  ! [remote rejected] HEAD -> master (n/a (unpacker error))
[04:13] <j_yao_SUSE> > error: 无法推送一些引用到 'ssh://************9418/JY-shushang-springmvc
[09:28] <Guest65020> I am unable to set tiling windows to META + LEFT and META + RIGHT like on Windows. Also I  tried to set CTRL + ALT + T for Konsole multiple times and it's not working as well. Any idea why? I am running Kubuntu 15.10 and plasma 5.4.3
[09:30] <hateball> Guest65020: Where are you trying to set these shortcuts?
[09:31] <hateball> iirc ctrl+alt+t is even set default
[09:38] <Guest65020> system settings -> shortcuts
[09:39] <Guest65020> -> global keyboard shortcuts
[09:40] <Guest65020> KDE Component - here I select KWin from the list
[09:41] <hateball> Hmm yes, that should work. I am on 14.04 now so I cant test tho
[09:41] <Guest65020> and Konsole
[09:42] <Guest65020> I run Konsole and click on the Konsole icon in the title bar and select more actions
[09:42] <Guest65020> and then I clock on Windows Shortcut
[09:42] <Guest65020> and press  CTRL + ALT + T and ok
[09:43] <Guest65020> but it soesnt work
[09:43] <Guest65020> Should I set it somewhere else?
[09:43] <hateball> krunner -> global
[09:44] <hateball> then there is... hmmm what can it be named in english
[09:44] <hateball> personal shortcuts?
[09:45] <hateball> on my kde 4.x it run "/usr/bin/kcmshell4 khotkeys"
[09:45] <hateball> even searching for khotkeys work, so it might in plasma 5 also
[09:48] <Guest65020> ok custom shortcuts?
[09:49] <hateball> yea that should be it
[09:49] <Guest65020> hmm I will take a screenshot just a sec
[09:49] <hateball> rightclick, new, point to konsole, set a trigger
[09:50] <Guest65020> yes, it works
[09:50] <Guest65020> thanks
[09:50] <hateball> :)
[09:50] <Guest65020> why is it not set as default? Or it's just me?
[09:50] <hateball> I remember it as being default, but I dont remember honestly
[09:50] <hateball> if it isnt, that's a kde/packaging decision :)
[09:52] <Guest65020> Btw. I like KDE more and more. Some things are hidden, but it can be customized very well, it seems
[09:55] <Guest65020> any idea where can I find some tutorial on creating widgets? I have a secondary monitor and I would like to have there a big widget n the whole screen with some info and graphs etc.
[09:55] <Guest65020> Are widgets created in Qt framework too?
[09:56] <Guest65020> It's probably not possible to use HTML5 and JavaScript, right?
[09:56] <Guest65020> I guess it's time to dive into C++ ;D
[09:57] <Guest65020> I just want to fetch some stuff from different websites and show the results in the widget
[09:59] <Guest65020> Any idea where to start? I know PHP quite well, so I don't need programming basics. Just some nice KDE widget tutorial to start off.
[10:02] <hateball> oh
[10:02] <hateball> they left
[10:05] <hateball> Well, if they come back, https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma5/QML2/GettingStarted
[10:52] <g0g0boy> Hey all, anybody run into issues with updating kubuntu distro?
[10:52] <g0g0boy> getting an error when doing a apt-get upgrade
[10:53] <g0g0boy> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[10:53] <g0g0boy> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:53] <g0g0boy> linux-image-extra-4.2.0-23-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.2.0-23-generic but it is not installed
[10:53] <g0g0boy> linux-imalinux-image-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.2.0-23-generic but it is not installedge-extra-4.2.0-23-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.2.0-23-generic but it is not installed
[10:54] <g0g0boy> tried doing install -f but that also errors
[10:54] <g0g0boy> apologies please disregard
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:57] <michelsedgh> Q:How can I configure my fan speed? My fan speed goes near max when my cpu temperature goes +50C and it stops at -50C ( sorry i use centigrade )
[12:02] <Smurphy> michelsedgh: Depends on the system. There are various ways to control fanspeed.
[12:02] <Smurphy> What system do you have /
[12:02] <Smurphy> ?
[12:02] <michelsedgh> thinkpad x1 carbon
[12:03] <michelsedgh> the thinkfan application i can not bring up the GUI and from the command line i cant configure it :c
[12:03] <Smurphy> There were tools for that. Check fancontrol thinkpad linux on google.
[12:03] <BluesKaj> -50C , that's bloody cold
[12:04] <michelsedgh> BluesKaj: yeah but +50 works full speed and thats a little annoying.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> michelsedgh, not familiar with fan speed ctl apps , but maybe cpufrequtils can help
[12:08] <michelsedgh> Thanks :)
[12:09] <BluesKaj> by slowing down your cpu speeds when loads are light etc
[12:09] <michelsedgh> thanks :)
[12:12] <michelsedgh> and one last thing. something weird happend yesterday i opened up a video and it said kmnserver failed and until i hard reboot(pressing the power button) my screen went all the time black for a few secs and it came back for 1 second and it was unusable.
[12:13] <BluesKaj> michelsedgh, I found an app called fancontrol , that might help
[12:13] <yofel> michelsedgh: you might need to install tp-smapi-dkms. From what I remember the default thinkpad support modules don't permit messing with the fan speed. But try it without first
[12:14] <michelsedgh> yofel: Thanks :)
[12:16] <michelsedgh> yofel: in konsole whenever i try to remove or install anything, my plasma crashes as well. i dont know if its related to apt-get update or not
[12:16] <yofel> michelsedgh: like, this is what I have on one notebook from work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14495499/ but you need to see http://paste.ubuntu.com/14495501/
[12:18] <yofel> apt might trigger a DB refresh after install/remove, so it might
[12:18] <yofel> I don't know
[12:19] <michelsedgh> lol i dont have any directory /etc/acpi/"ibm"/* anymore
[12:21] <michelsedgh> oh sorry my mistake
[12:24] <yofel> michelsedgh: hm, on newer models stuff seems to work differently :/ https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/14
[12:28] <michelsedgh> yofel: no i found that ( i had found it before ) but i dont know how to add commands, i was going to check my Bios settings and see if i can change it there
[14:52] <Yossarianuk> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=145278077820529&w=2  - update all sshd configs .....
[14:53] <Yossarianuk> sorry that is ssh_config - undiscloused but VERY serious bug apparantly.
[15:12] <readwook> hey, what's the plasma's audio and video gui application name? kcmshell5?
[15:13] <readwook> i'm looking for a bug report, but i dont find anyth
[16:07] <taholmes160> Good Morning everyone -- I need some help figuring out how to turn on and off apache depending on the needs at the time -- at boottime if possible
[16:11] <soee> probably some script
[16:12] <soee> for example System Settings -> Autostart gives you one way to add script that is executed on startup
[16:12] <taholmes160> Hummmmmm.... Ok that makes sense ---- thanks
[16:13] <soee> taholmes160: but you can also ask on #ubuntu if they know some better way
[16:14] <taholmes160> Ok, cool -- thanks
[16:14] <soee> np :)
[16:30] <anabain> A simple one: is it possible to query the pwd via qdbus for the konsole app? If yes, how it's done?
[17:15] <michelsedgh> is disabling kidle_inject dangerous? could it harm the laptop?
[17:16] <soee> !kidle_inject
[17:16] <soee> !package kidle_inject
[17:18] <michelsedgh> !intel_powerclamp
[18:06] <only1dcb> Good afternoon, does anyone have time to help a n00b with a third party software installation?  (Specifically, a .tar.xz package with just the .exe inside?)
[18:07] <soee> you wont be abel to run .exe file
[18:07] <soee> what are you trying to install ?
[18:09] <only1dcb> @soee - Telegram.  The .tar only has the Application & the updater application in the archive.  There is no install doc, or installer.  Additionally, Telegram's website seems to indicate that they assume a Linux user knows how to install the archive properly...
[18:10] <soee> only1dcb: ok, did you downloaded it from here https://desktop.telegram.org/ ?
[18:10] <only1dcb> soee - Correcty
[18:10] <only1dcb> *Correct
[18:10] <soee> ok, it shoud contain 2 files
[18:11] <soee> right ?
[18:11] <only1dcb> Yes.
[18:11] <soee> ok now extract it in your home directory
[18:12] <soee> and you should be able to launch Telegram
[18:12] <only1dcb> soee just /home Correct?
[18:12] <soee> Well eherewer you want, you can for example create Applications folder in home dir and put t there
[18:14] <only1dcb> Will it show up in the Applications window?   (a la Firefox, Konversation, etc...) ?
[18:15] <soee> i'm not sure if it is not installed usual way. You can use ppa to install it, and than it shoudl behave like any other app
[18:15] <only1dcb> PPA?
[18:15] <soee> yes, do you know how to use terminal ?
[18:15] <soee> there is ppa with telegram: https://launchpad.net/~atareao/+archive/ubuntu/telegram
[18:16] <only1dcb> Basics, but that's part of the idea to start using Linux...
[18:17] <soee> only1dcb: well try runing it now when you extracted it. on my laptop it works fine and is listed in applications dashboard
[18:18] <only1dcb> Oh yeah, it works fine as a standalone, I just wanted it to be integrated with Muon to keep from having a shortcut on my desktop.
[18:19] <soee> if you want something to be in menu, you can always manually add new entry to menu :)
[18:43] <BigFredy> hi all
[18:44] <soee_> hi BigFredy
[18:46] <michelsedgh> he could use kmenuedit to add Telegram to application launcher :c
[18:47] <michelsedgh> Q: will disabling kidle_inject harm device? :c
[20:11] <SergioEDuran1> Hi there
[20:11] <SergioEDuran1> I need some help
[20:12] <SergioEDuran1> could you hep me friends?
[20:12] <soee_> !ask
[20:23] <SergioEDuran1> friends I am having an issue with the elements of my ssystray, my network icon is not appearing as you can see here: http://imgur.com/395g85j
[20:26] <soee_> SergioEDuran1: this t know bug, you are using 15.10 with Plasma 5.4.3 ?
[20:27] <SergioEDuran1> soee_: yes
[20:27] <SergioEDuran1> indeed
[20:29] <rexxster> timely, I'm also having a sys-tray issue.  brand new install from cd. updated online to latest everything. My question is whether the 'Update' icon is in the correct state, it shows shield with a little red x.  Is that the right symbol for a system that is up to date?
[20:29] <rexxster> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=27105
[20:29] <soee_> SergioEDuran1: wait for Plasma 5.5.3 here it shoudl be better
[20:29] <soee_> the update status icon has some bugs
[20:30] <SergioEDuran1> soee_: wich is the newest plasma desktop version?
[20:30] <SergioEDuran1> I mean on the kubuntu backports ppa
[20:31] <SergioEDuran1> do you think it couldl have a fix to this issue?
[20:31] <soee_> yes it might partialy fix it, we are prepering 5.5.3 to release to backports
[20:31] <soee_> if you wan you can install it now from backports langind ppa
[20:31] <soee_> *backports langing pp
[20:32] <SergioEDuran1> thank youvery mutch
[20:32] <SergioEDuran1> I need go to eat :)
[20:32] <soee_> :)
[20:38] <Guest60576> @soee_ When is 5.5.3 expected to be released?
[20:39] <Guest60576> And by the way SergioEDuran1, if you remove the tray widget and add it back to panel, the icon will show up again
[21:47] <SergioEDuran1> friends look like the sytray icons update bug is getting worse accourding to this page https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352055
[21:51] <SergioEDuran1> what do you think
[21:52] <Guest8281> It should be fixed on Kubuntu 16.04 or 15.10 with next 5.5.3 backports.
[21:52] <Guest8281> I run Arch Linux too with Plasma 5.5 and this bug is gone
[21:53] <SergioEDuran1> when will be avaliable the next backport?
[21:55] <sandroid> #kubuntu-devel
[21:55] <sandroid> oops
[21:55] <SergioEDuran1> hahahaha
[22:07] <SergioEDuran1> friend I want to hare to you my dektop
[22:07] <SergioEDuran1> http://imgur.com/r2btJGg
[22:11] <Guest8281> Nice, the titlebar is cool. And Firefox integrates wonderfully with Breeze theme.
[22:11] <Guest8281> I prefer the dark theme though :)
[22:12] <SergioEDuran1> hehehe the titlebar is evolvere light pure
[22:14] <SergioEDuran1> it should land to the Kubuntu's packages or at least to the kubuntu backports


 I found  a NASTY bug in Ubuntu
 What?
 You edited that
 I did not edit that
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/artful-desktop-amd64.iso
 See for yourself
 That links to my blog post
 The shit
 tho that's the server image no?
 Nope
 I don't see that when I open the terminal on desktop
 or didn't before
 ssh into localhost
 is that on a VM your running
 No, physical hardware
 how could I see that then? I don't have any extra hardware
 going to the vm and ssh localhost
 Just ssh into localhost, no need to use a VM, just make sue you have openssh installed (sudo apt-get install openssh-server)
 Kirkland owns the domain
 thing is that I don't know if this is a joke or what
 It is not a joke, I assure you. Download the ISO from the official site and you can see for yourself
 oh damn it's on 17.04 too
 not just artful
 I am not going to say "Told You So" but... actually wait... nevermind
 TOLD YOU SO!
 when did you tell me?
 lol
 oh right
 About 40 minutes ago
 but you showed artful
 not 17.04 lol
 Fwd from tsimonq2: $ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>… Welcome to Ubuntu 17.04 (GNU/Linux 4.9.15-x86_64-linode81 x86_64) …  * Documentation:  https://help.ubuntu.com …  * Management:     https://landscape.canonical.com …  * Support:        https://ubuntu.com/advantage …  * Ubuntu 12.04 LTS ('precise') end-of-life was April 28, 2017 …    ongoing security updates for 12.04 are available with Ubuntu Ad
[00:44] <floridagram5> …  * Aaron Honeycutt from the Kubuntu Council on art and design in Kubuntu …    - https://ubu.one/kubuart …  * The Ubuntu Desktop team wants your feedback on the move to Gnome …    - https://ubu.one/2GNome … Last login: Fri May 26 20:56:22 2017 from <IP_ADDRESS>
 weird Xubuntu seems to just be doing a start job
 😆
 At least they found something useful to do with Windows
 My drone controller runs Android.  I think 4.4
 4.0?
 Definitely a 4.X


[02:03] <graingert> Heya
[02:03] <graingert> Is there anyone high up I can talk to?
[05:30] <cjohnston> graingert: depends on what you mean by high up and high up in what
[11:16] <daker-cloud>  mhall119: cjohnston http://people.ubuntu.com/~daker/inline-edit.png :)
[12:12] <graingert> cjohnston: a in high up on the Web team. Someone trusted
[12:17] <graingert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1004874
[12:18] <graingert> Someone who can see that
[12:18] <graingert> And confirm it
[12:27] <daker-cloud> graingert: is bug 1004874 private ?
[12:27] <graingert> Yes
[12:27] <daker-cloud> ok
[12:27] <daker-cloud> newz2000: ping
[12:28] <graingert> Nobody is looking at it, its everyone out?
[12:29] <daker-cloud> graingert: will see if newz2000 can look into it, it's private so i can't see what the bug is talking about
[12:53] <graingert> newz2000: tell me if you can confirm it
[21:16] <RawChid> Hello, I'm want to use the light-moin-theme for our LoCo wiki. Can anyone help me?
[21:17] <RawChid> Maybe is AlanBell or newz2000 active at the moment?
[21:17] <RawChid> I'm searching the 'newest' code of the light-moin-theme. Preferably that of w.u.c
[21:18] <RawChid> I found and installed : https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-wiki  But this doesn't look like it's finished.
[21:19] <RawChid> Maybe I need to use: https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/ubuntu-website/light-moin-fixes  ?
[21:19] <RawChid> Or someone has pointers/info...  (oke now I'll wait for respons)
[22:36] <daker-cloud> cjohnston: mhall119 i can't find the bug causing this bug 982887
[22:38] <cjohnston> daker-cloud: dup 881019
[22:42] <daker-cloud> Spam mission complete :)
[22:49] <daker-cloud> cjohnston: can you please regenerate the pot file once this has been fixed bug 963289 ?
[22:49] <daker-cloud> or just show me how to do it
[23:08] <cjohnston> daker-cloud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/944473   - there are a couple of check boxes when logging in.. they must all be checked in order for you to successfully login
[23:08] <cjohnston> thats what this is about
[23:09] <cjohnston> there is a way with sso to require certain information, making it to where the user doesn't have a choice but to provide the info
[23:10] <daker-cloud> ok


[01:39] <dzho> mineral deficiency
[01:39] <skellat> For what?
[01:39] <skellat> Or did you type in the wrong channel?
[01:40] <dzho> skellat: your cat
[01:40] <dzho> also, I'm mostly kidding
[01:53] <Unit193> :D
[01:53]  * Unit193 petpets dzho.
[20:06] <skellat> As seen elsewhere: http://blog.halon.org.uk/2014/11/barbie-the-debian-developer/
[20:06] <jenni> [ Barbie the Debian Developer - Liberal Murmurs ] - https://j.mp/1uY4s2I
[20:06] <paultag> :D
[20:32] <skellat> Grrr
[20:32] <skellat> .nws 44004
[20:32] <jenni> Lake Effect Snow !WARNING! issued November 20 at 3:27PM EST until November 21 at 3:00PM EST by NWS
[20:32] <jenni> Complete weather watches, warnings, and advisories for Ashtabula, OH, available here: http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwaatmget.php?x=OHC007 -- You may also PM the bot to get the full list.
[20:33] <skellat> REALLY?!?!?!?
[21:27] <yano> better believe it
[21:37] <belkinsa> .nws 45069
[21:37] <jenni> There are no active watches, warnings or advisories, for West Chester, OH.
[21:37] <belkinsa> skellat, you jinxed yourself.
[21:37] <belkinsa> Well, I got you to do, rather.
[21:52] <skellat> .addpoint belkinsa
[21:52] <jenni> belkinsa: +1/-0, 1
[21:52] <belkinsa> +1
[21:53] <belkinsa> skellat, you been thanked: http://ubuntusense.com/2014/11/20/community-appreciation-day-2014/
[21:53] <jenni> [ Community Appreciation Day 2014 | The Ubuntu Sense ] - https://j.mp/1uYxY8n
[21:54] <skellat> Thank you
[21:55] <skellat> .scores
[21:55] <jenni> Top 10 (for #ubuntu-us-oh): paultag: +2/-0, 2 | yano: +2/-0, 2 | dzho: +1/-0, 1 | belkinsa: +1/-0, 1


[02:59] <bluesabre> nice
[07:20] <Unit193> New fop hit Debian.
[12:04] <knome> hooray
[12:10] <flocculant> jit
[12:11] <knome> oh bah, errands
[12:11] <knome> should stop procrastinating
[12:11] <knome> bbiab
[12:49] <knome> and done
[13:02] <flocculant> :)
[13:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: going to work on the greeter this week. Had a packed weekend, should be able to find time to poke the code starting tonight
[13:04] <flocculant> okey doke :)
[19:53] <pleia2> knome: FYI: a Linode+15.10 specific security vulnerability meant I needed to regenerate the host ssh keys on the server, so you'll get a warning that the key changed the next time you log in
[19:54] <knome> pleia2, ack
[20:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: jfi - 14.04.4 put off till next week, 16.04 B1 week after that
[20:52] <knome> bug 1543786
[21:22] <cajuntechie> Are there any more regularly updated roadmaps for xubuntu than this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[21:22] <knome> http://tracker.xubuntu.org/
[21:23] <cajuntechie> Thanks
[21:23] <knome> np
[21:23] <cajuntechie> Has 16.04 been frozen yet?
[21:24] <knome> feature definition freeze went by already, if you were asking that
[21:24] <cajuntechie> OK so there is still room for code then? Like bug fixes, etc? (I'm new and wanting to get involved)
[21:24] <knome> of course; final freeze is a few weeks from release
[21:25] <knome> and welcome!
[21:25] <cajuntechie> Cool and thank you!
[21:25] <knome> basically anything in the tracker that isn't assigned to a person (see http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/a=xubuntu-website,xubuntu-team,xubuntu-qa,xubuntu-doc,xubuntu-dev,xubuntu-art+sort=assignee+sortdir=asc) is more or less open to start working on
[21:26] <knome> (it's not quite as black and white as that, but you can probably figure out which items are going to be taken care by others)
[21:27] <knome> and i would say even items that are assigned to somebody but are "TODO" are more or less something you can start working on after contacting the assignee
[21:27] <knome> is there something specific you would like to help with?
[21:28] <cajuntechie> Excellent. I'm going through the list now. Interesting stuff
[21:28] <knome> some of it is interesting, some of it is quite boring... ;)
[21:29] <cajuntechie> I'm totally willing to do boring. It all helps the project.
[21:30] <knome> totally
[21:30] <knome> what are you into?
[21:31] <knome> programming? documentation? artwork? testing?
[21:31] <knome> (there's more, but just to start with something...)
[21:31] <cajuntechie> Mostly programming and doc. I might start with doc while I get the lay of the codebase then move there.
[21:32] <knome> the documentation should be more or less "there", but there's always room for improvement (and expanding)
[21:33] <knome> are you familiar with version control systems or would you like some help in getting started?
[21:33] <cajuntechie> I know git and have worked with cvs. That's about it
[21:36] <knome> bzr is very similar
[21:36] <knome> git clone -> bzr branch
[21:37] <knome> other basic commands are the same
[21:37] <knome> the documentation is located at lp:xubuntu-docs, so bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs to get it :)
[21:37] <cajuntechie> OK, I'll run through some tutorials. I might need to just sit this cycle out then jump in next once I've got everything I need covered.
[21:37] <knome> sure, np
[21:38] <knome> and don't feel afraid to ask
[21:38] <cajuntechie> Trust me, I won't. You guys will be tired of me by the time I get up to speed I'm sure lol
[21:38] <knome> nah ;)
[21:39] <cajuntechie> Well, thanks for all the info! I am going to start with some basic structure stuff and bzr. I'm off to start reading some tutorials now. I'm quite excited.
[21:39] <knome> cool!
[21:39] <knome> good luck and have fun :)
[21:39] <cajuntechie> Thanks!
[22:37] <bluesabre> cajuntechie sounds promising, hoping to see him around here again :)
[22:41] <knome> flocculant, i just filed: bug 1543822, bug 1543823 and bug 1543824 based on the old http://pad.ubuntu.com/trackerpull
[22:54] <bluesabre> buggy
[22:54] <bluesabre> :)
[22:56] <knome> well, wishlist
[22:56] <knome> so not buggy, just not feature-rich
[23:02] <bluesabre> :)
[23:03] <bluesabre> but feature-thoughful :)
[23:05] <knome> hah
[23:22] <pleia2> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours
[23:23] <pleia2> imma social media it, because this is the best news all day
[23:25] <bluesabre> ooh
[23:25] <bluesabre> is this a new page?
[23:26] <pleia2> it is!
[23:26] <bluesabre> sweet!
[23:26] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-February/011022.html
[23:26] <bluesabre> huzzah!
[23:46] <sergio-br2> yo
[23:46] <sergio-br2> why there's 2 imageMagick entries in the menu?
[23:47] <knome> sorry, but this still isn't the support channel
[23:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do you have a bzr/git repo for shimmer-themes packaging?
[23:48] <sergio-br2> eh
[23:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://code.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian
[23:48] <sergio-br2> I'm talking about xenial
[23:49] <knome> sergio-br2, imagemagick isn't installed by default on xenial
[23:49] <sergio-br2> uh...
[23:49] <knome> sergio-br2, you should ask the imagemagick developers for the reason
[23:49] <Unit193> sergio-br2: Two desktop files in /usr/share/applications likely.
[23:50] <sergio-br2> knome, are you sure?
[23:51] <knome> sergio-br2, sure about what?
[23:51] <sergio-br2> that it does not comes by default on xenial?
[23:52] <Unit193> knome: It does, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest
[23:52] <knome> since when?
[23:52] <knome> anyway, it's the imagemagick developers who need to fix this
[23:52] <knome> tbh, i don't know if any item should be visible with it


[00:14] <persia> I'd probably ask once a day or so, trying for staggered random time (something like every 29 hours or similar)
[00:14] <persia> But no point asking on weekends.
[00:15] <TheMuso> Natty is open.
[00:18] <persia> Oh, indeed.  Nice.
[00:22] <ScottL> persia, TheMuso, i hope to make changes to the seeds tomorrow during the day, unless you have an objection
[00:23] <ScottL> i probably will not push them for a couple of days until i review my changes a few times
[00:23] <TheMuso> ScottL: You have a few months to make your changes, so go right ahead.
[00:24] <ScottL> TheMuso, well, my goal would be to have them completed (more or less) before the first alpha image
[00:24] <TheMuso> Right.
[00:26] <ScottL> just for my edification, even if i do not run ./update will the ISOs build if i push the changes to the seeds ?
[00:26] <TheMuso> Yes, but depending on what changes you make, the builds may not update until you have updated the metapackage.
[00:27] <ScottL> hmmm, i'm still working my mind around all of this so i'll have to think through that a little before i understand it
[00:30] <TheMuso> Ok.
[00:30] <TheMuso> What changes are you wanting to make?
[00:36]  * ScottL was making dinner for the kids
[00:36] <ScottL> TheMuso, i hope to add the new seeds, make the metapackages, make a transition package for ubuntustudio-audio
[00:38] <TheMuso> Oh right./
[00:39] <ScottL> i'm hoping to write down my methodology and have you and persia look over it, to make sure i'm not going to do something stupid
[00:39] <ScottL> the goal was to start writing it down tonight and complete it tomorrow during the day
[00:40] <TheMuso> Right.
[00:41] <ScottL> i'll spend the better time of tomorrow evening working locally to change and create the seeds files
[00:46] <TheMuso> If you are unsure about the bzr changes you are making, feel free to create another branch, and request a merge proposal.
[00:48] <ScottL> last time you and i worked on the seeds, that is what we did i believe
[00:50] <persia> And if it doesn't block you terribly long, I'd recommend sharing an update to the etherpad with the plan prior to fussing about the seed contents.
[00:50] <persia> Trying to discuss seed structure and seed contents at the same time can be confusing.
[00:51] <TheMuso> Yep.
[00:51] <ScottL> persia, i will work whatever plan is best and most comforting as required :)
[00:52]  * persia has no requirements, only suggestions :)
[00:57] <ScottL> persia, i mentioned earlier that tonight and during the day i was planning on writing down the steps i plan to take (with headings) and having you and luke look over them
[00:59] <persia> OK :)
[01:00] <ScottL> part of that is to make sure i'm not doing something stupid, but also to help me frame the process
[01:00] <ScottL> if i can write it down in an organized form it well help me place it all together cohesively in my mind
[01:01] <ScottL> plus any correction i get from either of you should help as well ;)
[07:49] <amanthethy> Hey, where can I grab an iso of 10.10? The Ubuntu Studio website only shows 10.04
[07:50] <persia> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/maverick/release/
[07:51] <persia> We're having a transition in the website team, and the timing unfortunately hit us badly.
[07:52] <amanthethy> sweeet. Is there any susbstantial changes from 10.04?
[07:52] <amanthethy> are*
[09:57] <poine> hello world - what is the lowlatency or realtime kernel to use ? it seems that 2.6.35-20-lowlatency is in the repo but the headers are 2.6.35-22 which prevents me from being able to use the nvidia driver
[09:59] <persia> poine, I'm of the opinion that most folk don't need either.
[10:00] <poine> i just want to do some audio recording with low latency. What do you suggest ?  I was using -rt kernel on lucid
[10:02] <persia> I use the regular kernel.  Works for me.
[10:02] <persia> You only need the -lowlatency or -realtime ones if you're really pushing your hardware.
[10:02] <persia> You might need it, depends on what you're recording, how, and what hardware you have.
[10:03] <poine> i just want to use superlooper on my macbookpro with the internal soundcard
[10:04] <persia> You probably don't need it then.
[10:05] <persia> If you start getting odd clicks and pops, or interruptions, etc. then maybe you might, but not likely for 2-channel all-on-board.
[10:05] <poine> i get xruns with 6ms latency
[10:05] <persia> (but #ubuntustudio is probably a better channel for this sort of discussion: not very development related)
[10:05] <persia> Do you need 6ms?
[10:05] <poine> (sorry, switching to that channel, my first time here, I had no idea )
[10:06] <persia> No worries, or I'd have been firmer :)
[14:09] <diwic> ScottL, ping
[14:11] <persia> scott-work, ^^
[14:26] <scott-work> diwic: hello, yes?
[14:27] <diwic> scott-work, aha, I just sent an email to you instead :-)
[14:28] <diwic> scott-work, I was curious about your thoughts about my blueprint
[14:28] <scott-work> diwic: i am actually about to leave work to go home, in about 30 minutes i will be on IRC again as ScottL
[14:29] <diwic> scott-work, ok :-) No problem, I'll be around for another hour or so.
[14:29]  * scott-work is will be hosting an Open Week class pretty soon https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[14:29] <scott-work> but if nothing else i will respond to your email :)
[14:29] <scott-work> bye
[15:22] <ScottL> #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[15:22] <ScottL> #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[15:32] <falktx> hi ScottL
[15:32] <ScottL> hi falktx
[15:32] <falktx> has anything being decided about Natty PPAs?
[15:33] <ScottL> i guess you mean if we have one and what would be included in it?
[15:33] <ScottL> to be honest, not yet
[15:34] <ScottL> i'm hoping to update the seeds this weekend first, and it's taking up most of my focus currently
[15:34] <falktx> when is alpha1 coming out?
[15:34] <ScottL> !schedule
[15:34] <ScottL> eh, hold on
[15:34] <persia> diwic, Are you still about?  What did you want to ask ScottL about?
[15:35] <ScottL> falktx, alpha is dec 2nd  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[15:35] <falktx> ScottL: so we still have time
[15:35] <falktx> hehe
[15:35] <ScottL> persia, we spoke briefly before i left work, he emailed me and i told him i'd email him back
[15:35] <persia> Ah, OK.
[15:36] <persia> I thought it might have been something about JACK/FFADO, and didn't want it lost :)
[15:36] <ScottL> falktx, keep in mind, the ppa cannot be used in any way to build an official ubuntu studio ISO
[15:36] <ScottL> so we can always add the ppa at any point
[15:36] <falktx> ScottL: what about a welcome screen?
[15:36] <diwic> persia, it does, although I'll let ScottL prepare for his talk now :-)
[15:37] <falktx> ScottL: also I now have a non-free repo for apps like renoise, pianoteq, and vst plugins
[15:37] <ScottL> persia, i have looked at the blueprint previously, although briefly, and wanted to look again with more depth, i probably will need either your assistance or luke's later though
[15:38] <persia> ok
[15:38] <persia> I'm in favour, for what it's worth, although there's lots of detail to be added.
[15:39] <ScottL> i need to reread it again because i really cannot remember the thrust of it currently, i'm getting sick, updating the seeds in running rampant through my head, and now i've got an open week class in 22 minutes :?
[15:39] <ScottL> er.. :/
[15:40] <ScottL> i'm really not expecting too many people in the class (which is okay, because my preparations are terrible)
[15:41] <persia> Don't worry: if you don't have enough content, folks will ask questions.
[16:46] <falktx> AutoStatic agrees on an official UbuntuStudio PPA - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9977038&postcount=435
[16:47] <persia> Why?  Why not just upload to the regular repositories?
[16:47] <falktx> if it's official, more ppl will use it
[16:47] <persia> If it's the regular repository, even more people will use it.
[16:48] <falktx> some ppl dont like my PPA cause it's not official (maybe they dont trust me...)
[16:48] <falktx> but, perhaps if it's maintained by a team...
[16:48] <persia> Sure, but I don't see what that means there should be a studio PPA, when there's an entire archive.
[16:48] <falktx> yep
[16:49] <persia> So it makes sense to you not to have an official PPA, and instead just update the archive?
[16:50] <falktx> it makes sense to me using PPAs
[16:50] <persia> Why PPA vs. the archive?
[16:50] <falktx> i mean, 'official' is a strong worg
[16:51] <persia> Sure, but the archives are already official, and mirrored in almost every country.
[16:51] <paultag> persia, mind if I PM you for a quick second?
[16:51] <persia> paultag, No.
[16:51] <paultag> cheers
[16:51] <falktx> i know ubuntu wont change its policy for updating the archive after it has been frozen
[16:51] <persia> falktx, Sure, but we can update everything for the next release.
[16:52] <persia> How much of what you want to update in maverick now was ready a month ago?
[16:52] <persia> Also, we can do backports for anything we like, as long as we can get 2 testers.
[16:52] <persia> So we *can* update the archive (for users who enable backports)
[16:53] <falktx> i dont want to wait 6 months for an update...
[16:53] <falktx> oh, that is different
[16:53] <falktx> didnt knew that
[16:54] <persia> !backports
[16:54] <persia> The only requirement is that we get them into the future release before we backport them.
[16:54] <persia> But that's not usually that hard.
[16:55] <falktx> persia: basically if, for example, we wanted to port dssi-1.1.0 to maverick and 2 guys say it's working, then it will be backported?
[16:55] <falktx> (my internet is going slow...)
[16:55] <falktx> hm... i should get into the debian multimedia asap
[16:55] <persia> We'd have to get it uploaded in natty first, and then it would have to compile on maverick, but yeah.
[16:56] <persia> Oh yeah.  That's the best: push to debian-multimedia, sync to release+1, backport.
[16:57] <falktx> anyway, a ppa would help to get updates faster
[16:57] <falktx> so like this: ppa -> debian-multimedia -> natty -> (backports)
[16:57] <persia> Why?
[16:57] <persia> ppa -> debian-multimedia requires changing the source (debian/control)
[16:58] <persia> Easier just debian-multimedia -> natty -> backports
[16:59] <persia> But nothing wrong with ppa -> d-m -> natty -> backports if you find it easier.
[16:59] <persia> Err, changing debian/changelog (sorry)
[17:02] <falktx_> damn just went offline..
[17:03] <falktx_> who's here is a motu or debian packager?
[17:04] <falktx_> i know quadispro is from debian multimedia
[17:07] <persia> quadrispro is also able to upload to Ubuntu, as am I, and a couple other folks.
[17:07] <persia> For that matter, if you upload to Ubuntu regularly for all of natty, and demonstrate good practices and bugfixes, I'm sure you could get upload permission, at least to Studio packages.
[17:07] <falktx_> that's very cool
[17:08] <falktx_> i started packaging for Revu some time ago, but the process is very slow
[17:08] <persia> Yeah, you came at our worst time, I think.
[17:08] <falktx_> hehe
[17:08] <persia> We were between leaders and running out of developers.
[17:09] <persia> Things are much better now: it's still not really fast, but it's better.
[17:09] <falktx_> but I guess debian would be better than REVU, right?
[17:09] <persia> And if you are up for getting involved in debian-multimedia, it's that much faster, because you can get reviews there, and then get stuff sync'd.
[17:09] <falktx_> ok
[17:09] <falktx_> is there a debian-multimedia IRC?
[17:09]  * falktx_ searchs...
[17:09] <persia> For two reasons: the social reason is that more folk use Debian and distributions based on Debian than use Ubuntu and distributions based on Ubuntu.
[17:10] <persia> #debian-multimedia @ OFTC
[17:10] <falktx> nope
[17:10] <falktx> ah, different server
[17:11] <persia> And the technical reason being that more developers who know about multimedia stuff are involved in debian-multimedia, so you get better comments and reviews.
[17:11] <falktx> cool
[17:16] <falktx> persia: one thing I will do is a new unstable PPA for natty
[17:16] <falktx> ardour30, blender25, etc
[17:16] <persia> Sure, I'd expect that.
[17:17] <persia> We mostly only want stable stuff on the debian-multimedia -> natty -> backports route.
[17:17] <falktx> yep
[19:46] <astraljava> Good session, ScottL! :)
[20:03] <ScottL> thanks astraljava :)
[20:03] <astraljava> Looked to me that you were well prepared.
[20:06] <ScottL> heh, not really, just a few bullet points on paper five minutes before the class, and the rest in my head :P
[20:06] <astraljava> You've got a decent head on your shoulders. :D
[20:07] <ScottL> thanks :)
[20:07] <ScottL> some of the pauses were because i was thinking about how i wanted t approach a topic
[20:08] <astraljava> Didn't seem to break the flow, to me at least.
[20:23] <ScottL> that's good :)
[20:23] <ScottL> and i'm thankful to charlie-tca as well for asking questions
[20:24] <astraljava> That was nice.


[01:53] <Roey> hello, does anyone here subscribe to CBS All Access?  How do I view this content with my Kubuntu desktop?
[04:04] <ecov> youll need a browser
[06:10] <fructose> I believe I'm suffering from kernel bug 203709 (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203709) after a do-release-upgrade. I'm not sure the most painless way to deal with that, e.g. is it easy to try the drivers from 5.0/Disco? (I'm getting disconnected regularly, so sorry if I'm slow to reply.)
[07:30] <IrcsomeBot2> dlemonis16 was added by: dlemonis16
[09:43] <estan> hi folks. at work all run kubuntu 18.04. many of us has started experiencing a delay when shutting the computer down. there's around a minute waiting time with the "Kubuntu" logo shown during shutdown, before it powers off.
[09:44] <estan> anyone had this problem too? i'm sure it's reported somewhere, but can't find any bug report.
[09:44] <estan> hitting Esc to be able to see systemd shutdown messages is not working (only gives a black screen).
[09:45] <estan> haven't been able to pinpoint which package upgrade it was that caused it yet, but i'd say it started happening a month or two ago maybe.
[09:48] <estan> i'm assuming it's waiting for some systemd service to stop (so waiting DefaultTimeoutStopSec=90s i guess?). just can't figure out which service that is, since hitting Esc to see the shutdown messages is not working.
[09:57] <estan> found a way to debug shutdown at https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index2h1 , i'll try that.
[09:58] <livusca> can someone help me with a thing?
[09:58] <livusca> anyone?
 Hi guys, trying to upgrade kubuntu 20.04 I have problem with libc6:amd64 end now I can't use the system. … I tried to get in using livecd and chroot but I always get the error and is impossible to fix it. … Anyone can help me please ?
 @Alessandro, this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1866844
 @RikMills, Exactly this, how to fix it ?
 Follow and comment on the bug if you can.
 @RikMills, Okay Rik, I'll try to follow the proposed solution and then comment, many thanks Rik
[11:22] <IrcsomeBot2> Peahu Gsygh was added by: Peahu Gsygh
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/k9Yy6g3M/file_25314.jpg Unfortunately volume button not working
 @RikMills, Done Rik, you are my savior once again, many thanks 😉 … I had to use LiveCdRecovery methods because modify grub parameters didn't works for me but I fixed, as I mention on the post I wrote on launchpad
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:58] <ecov> heya
[13:06] <triplenull> Hello
[16:51] <user|64509> i have a ubuntu 19.10 server raspberry pi 4
[16:51] <user|64509> how can i install the desktop of kubuntu for it
[16:51] <user|64509> ?
[17:48] <oerheks> there are no arm ports for kubuntu, AFAIK
 @neonsil, Now i know why do you get banned
 Kubuntu en Español no me enseñaba nada nuevo
[17:50] <oerheks> !es
 Ok
[19:29] <user|52994> unable to connect to bluetooth speaker. using kubuntu 64 bit 18.04
[20:45] <IrcsomeBot2> neonsil was added by: neonsil
 Bad luck try another distro
 I advice kde neon
[21:34] <IrcsomeBot2> German was added by: German
 @user|64509, sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop afaik
 Purge Kubuntu and install kde neon o manjaro kde


[02:01] <Mightyball> would anyone be able to help with getting an HVR-2250 going?
[02:45] <mycosys> hey fellas - have pretty much default config running in samba (upgraded from jaunty), have upgraded my lappy from winxp to 7 and it doesnt see the samba server
[02:46] <mycosys> can see the media upnp on it just fine oddly enough
[17:22] <Myth-Bert> hello all's in the Room
[17:24] <superm1> !hi
[17:24] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about hi
[17:24] <superm1> !hello
[17:24] <Zinn> hello, something we can help you with today?
[17:27] <Myth-Bert> lol exact ill hope ;) ( for me °) How delete the existing database, and create a new one
[17:27] <Myth-Bert> ?
[17:27] <superm1> easiest way:
[17:27] <superm1> login to mysql as root (sudo mysql or so)
[17:27] <superm1> drop database mythconverg;
[17:27] <Myth-Bert> hello Zinn(ZinnMoreto,acool musical Band French °)
[17:27] <Zinn> Hi Myth-Bert, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[17:28] <superm1> and then sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database would reinitialize it
[17:30] <Myth-Bert> thx Superm1 Yes please the most easyest way is the beter for me it the same for in Englesh and in linux for it's hard ;) I'm under mythubuntu 11.04 up dated after instal
[17:30] <Myth-Bert> thx i ll fink for i care , so i ' ll try what you indicate to me :D
[17:31] <superm1> well before you drop the database, what happened?
[17:31] <superm1> maybe this is something you can fix without dropping it
[17:36] <Myth-Bert> i have make instal from a usb stick instal ok on a notebook , it have all done , then at the start the interface setup guide me for location then then theme i have choose the terra theme
[17:38] <Myth-Bert> and the wifi connection is off the upnp setup don't axess now when i ll run the muthtv fronted in aplication>multimedia and the setup stop
[17:39] <superm1> so you installed standard ubuntu, not mythbuntu
[17:39] <superm1> where is the backend? on a different box?
[17:40] <Myth-Bert> i m under the gnome desk i fink and i can start the setup or mythubuntu , it s a mythubuntu 11.04 i have put on the notebook
[17:40] <superm1> so try running mythtv-setup
[17:40] <superm1> what goes wrong?
[17:41] <Myth-Bert> the bacend is in location : application>system > backend and it result to the same thing , setup stop at page2 upnp problem
[17:42] <Myth-Bert> muthtv-setup run on terminal dont load
[17:43] <Myth-Bert> mythtv-setup load run 1 page choose of language and keybord , than return a windows
[17:43] <Myth-Bert> with upnp
[17:44] <Myth-Bert> it go to 2 page configr upnp but stop after the 2page
[17:44] <superm1> well in the terminal it should show more errors
[17:45] <superm1> can you share those logs in a pastebin?
[17:46] <Myth-Bert> sorry i said some stupidity in fact not exact thing :( i have run in past bin i ll try to refound the log
[17:47] <Myth-Bert> may i can past the pastbin link heir ?
[17:47] <superm1> sure
[17:47] <Myth-Bert> http://pastebin.com/5qm3VKWs
[17:47] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] Gathered following logs [17:47] <Myth-Bert> thx
[17:48] <Myth-Bert> sorry for stupidity i have descrive , for the lost time ;)
[17:49] <superm1> okay so the backend is constantly rerunning
[17:49] <superm1> it looks like it was properly configured initially, but then wrong after
[17:49] <Myth-Bert> yes i fink , the backend run
[17:50] <superm1> in mythtv-setup, you have it defined to connect to a hostname rather than an IP
[17:50] <superm1> i'd suspect that is the problem here
[17:50] <superm1> it's trying to connect to "bertmyth"
[17:50] <Myth-Bert> lol yes sims to be me , when i have choose terra theme it apped a lattency , some box empty
[17:51] <Myth-Bert> ok but befor i ll put 192.162..... with bertmyth it don t math with the default port upnp
[17:52] <superm1> so you need to get into mythtv-setup.  if you can't, then you need to modify ~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt to match where your database is
[17:52] <superm1> in a fashion that will properly resolve
[17:53] <Myth-Bert> *match
[18:00] <Myth-Bert> mythtv-setup run load mythtv-backend , language page , than when i ll clic on next it pop it no upnp ( upnp if empty field like as the default )
[18:01] <superm1> which means that the info in ~/.mythtv/config.xml or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt are wrong
[18:01] <superm1> or permissions on those files are wrong
[18:04] <Myth-Bert> ok but i don't really see  where to found that config.xml or mysql.txt , in the database field : mythconverg , in name field user : mythtv
[18:06] <superm1> particularly the host field is what you care about
[18:06] <superm1> that's what would cause the problems
[18:06] <superm1> if that field is correct, then check the permissions of the files in ~/.mythtv, if they're symlinks, check the permissions on the files they're pointing to and make sure your user is able to modify them
[18:09] <Myth-Bert> thx SuperM1 i ll well retcheck the topics or comming back there later , but tanks for help
[18:09] <superm1> ok
[18:10] <Myth-Bert> have a nice end day to EveryOne bye
[22:04] <pladijs> i'd like to start an xfce session on VT8 in parallel (on my combined FE-BE) to the FE occupying VR7. Preferably also automatically logged in on startup. What config files should i look at? All this X-related stuff changes too fast for me, also, most documentation you find online relates to gdm (or older xdm).
[22:05] <pladijs> Any help greatly appreciated!
[22:13] <pladijs> is xfce4-session the thing to look at? Also, what's the order... does the user first gets logged in, and the GUI then is launched because some scripts are automatically run for this user... or is xfce first launched and the user automatically logged in?
[22:46] <pladijs> hmmm... gdm is there after all
[22:55] <pladijs> this /etc/gdm/custom.conf file looks very empty
[23:04] <pladijs> or does mythbuntu use openvt
[23:06] <pladijs> or mingetty...
[23:52] <pladijs> oh boy, complicated stuff


[10:55] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:47] <bregma> it's overcast right now but the forecast for this afternoon is subby
[12:55] <BluesKaj> yup, cloudy here as well ...no rain yet tho
[13:07] <cyphermox> dscassel: poke, you there?
[13:13] <MagicFab> Comment savoir si mon système a des ports USB 3 ? http://bit.ly/pz19Zf


[01:29] <alexandros_c> hello, I am using compiz with xubuntu and I am unable to change the number of workspaces. Can anyone give me an idean of how to fix this?
[01:30] <alexandros_c> *idea
[01:30] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: compiz has its own settings for this, iirc
[01:31] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: run "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[01:31] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: go to "General options"
[01:31] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: then tab "Desktop size"
[01:31] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: there you can change the value for "Horizontal Virtual size" most probably
[01:32] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: or "Number of desktops", play with it i am not sure
[01:32] <alexandros_c> ok thanks bosnjak
[01:32] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: i hope it works, havent used compiz in a while
[01:32] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: no
[01:32] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: no problem
[01:35] <alexandros_c> hey bosnjak, I am trying to get the cool cube rotation, any ideas?
[01:35] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: did you get 4 pages yet?
[01:59] <alexandros_c> bosnjak, I have four pages but it still does not do the cube rotation
[01:59] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: you need to turn it on
[01:59] <alexandros_c> it is turned on
[02:00] <alexandros_c> bosnjak, under desktop I have Rotate cube enabled
[02:01] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: how are you trying to rotate it?
[02:01] <bosnjak> try CTRL+ALT+RIGHT/LEFT
[02:02] <alexandros_c> super+atl+control+LEFT/RIGNT
[02:02] <bosnjak> does it switch workspaces?
[02:02] <alexandros_c> yes
[02:03] <alexandros_c> bosnjak, I have noticed if I set it to 4 with 2 rows and 2 columns it will only rotated through the row
[02:03] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: you should read about it, there are plenty of articles on google how to set the cube up
[02:03] <alexandros_c> but it I have them all vertical it rotated through all
[02:04] <bosnjak> alexandros_c: i have to go now, but search google for compiz cube xubuntu, you will get many articles
[02:04] <bosnjak> like this
[02:04] <bosnjak> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-set-up-compiz-in-xubuntu-1210-or.html
[02:04] <bosnjak> good luck
[02:04] <well_laid_lawn> iirc you need 6 desktops for the cube
[02:04] <alexandros_c> that is the article I used to set up compiz
[02:04] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[02:05] <alexandros_c> thanks well_laid_lawn and bosnjak for all the help provided
[02:05] <bosnjak> np
[02:18] <audrey> hi
[04:03] <stewie> Hey guys, quick question. I know that Xubuntu and Lubuntu have alternate disks for low RAM computers, but once installed is the OS less intensive if installed from the alternate disk?
[04:04] <pleia2> no, it's the same
[04:04] <pleia2> and xubuntu doesn't have an alternate installer anymore in recent releases, you have to use the core installer and select xubuntu desktop in the installer
[04:05] <stewie> Yea, I noticed that Xubuntu's altenate is 12.04 not 13.10
[04:06] <Unit193> What's the system specs?
[04:07] <stewie> .95ghz cpu, 384mb ram
[04:09] <stewie> But for some other computers I'm mainly interested in the altenate disks because the full versions don't fit on CD's, they're too big.
[04:09] <Unit193> I'd personally use neither with that little ram. :)
[04:10] <Unit193> But yeah, mini.iso in that case.
[04:10] <Unit193> !mini
[04:10] <stewie> Hmmmm
[04:10] <stewie> What os would you reccomend on that system, then?
[04:12] <Unit193> You could install from the mini, but install openbox rather than a DE, or fluxbox, or somesuch.  Another option would be Debian (or antix), but feel free to try and see if it works for you.
[04:13] <stewie> I'll check it out, because I already tried Lubuntu on that once and while the OS was smooth opening Firefox was impossible because it easily crashed.
[04:14] <Unit193> Openbox on an Ubuntu minimal install was under 100MB.
[05:25] <Mycah> Hello
[05:25] <cfhowlett> Mycah, greetings
[05:25] <Mycah> I am having an issue with my sound I was hoping someone might be able to help me with. I've tried everything I can find on the subject on Google and have gotten nowhere.
[05:26] <Mycah> There is no sound, but at times there are crackles like it is trying to play something.
[05:26] <Mycah> I've checked Alsa and it is not muted (up all the way), I have uninstalled it and reinstalled, I have force reloaded it, etc etc etc
[05:26] <Mycah> nothing still :(
[05:26] <Mycah> Any suggestions?
[05:27] <well_laid_lawn> !sound
[05:32] <Mycah> Yes, I have gone through these but still no success.
[05:44] <stewie> I'm using the mini CD that I downloaded from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD but I don't see any option to install anything other than regular ubuntu, anyone know where to find the option to install something else?
[05:45] <cfhowlett> !mini
[05:45] <cfhowlett> stewie, as you install, you'll be offered download/install options.  or install as offered, boot it and run tasksel
[09:56] <manfred_> Hallo
[09:57] <NuSuey> manfred_ hello :)
[09:58] <manfred_> bye
[10:59] <DukeCS> Hi folks
[11:01] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[11:05] <DukeCS> I've got some strange problems on the login screen. I have changed the keyboard layout from english to german. On the login screen, the password is only accepted, if I type it "incorrect". FYI: Z/Y keys are changed in german/english layouts
[11:05] <DukeCS> any idea?
[11:06] <ObrienDave> when you installed did you do it in English or German?
[11:06] <DukeCS> Xubuntu? in english I guess.
[11:08] <DukeCS> I've installed the language support, added German, Apply system-wide, ... all the easy stuff
[11:09] <ObrienDave> my guess would be you probably used the US English keyboard layout, your password is encrypted that way. changing layout will require you to always enter it "wrong"
[11:09] <DukeCS> good point.
[11:09] <koegs> DukeCS: take a look here :) http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Spracheinstellungen
[11:10] <DukeCS> I visited this page some minutes ago, but thanks anyways ;)
[11:10] <DukeCS> I'll try to change my password later and try it again
[11:11] <ObrienDave> ok, enter the old password "wrong" before changing
[11:13] <DukeCS> hmm.. I have to use my (old) password, before I can set a new one via $>passwd . And I cannot use the "wrong" one
[11:14] <ObrienDave> sorry, I don't know about that command
[11:14] <koegs> DukeCS: do you have german or english layout in the terminal?
[11:14] <DukeCS> german
[11:16] <koegs> then you should use the correct one :)
[11:16] <DukeCS> no problem.. I'll change to a new password without z/y
[11:17] <DukeCS> I did, but if I type the new "right" one, the password will not changed, because it is the same ;)
[11:39] <DukeCS> Ok, I think, I'll got it.
[11:40] <ObrienDave> !yay
[11:40] <DukeCS> lightdm greeter does not respect the system-wide locale
[11:41] <DukeCS> but I can use the session for the next login and it works now
[11:41] <DukeCS> weird anyways
[11:41] <ObrienDave> that explains a lot
[11:42] <DukeCS> thanks for your time :)
[11:43] <ObrienDave> not a problem
[11:43] <DukeCS> "In case of your locale not being displayed correctly in Lightdm add your locale to /etc/environment"
[11:43] <ObrienDave> makes sense
[11:43] <DukeCS> looks like some other have the same problem, too ^
[11:44] <ObrienDave> could be. I only read and write English so I don't have to change keyboards very ofter ;))
[11:44] <DukeCS> :P
[11:45] <ObrienDave> *often
[11:46] <DukeCS> thanks & have a nice day
[11:46] <ObrienDave> thanks and you also
[14:05] <audrey> hi!
[14:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> hi
[14:24] <GridCube> !hi
[14:37] <xubuntu056> hello, i have a problem with my Xubuntu 13.10 version. I am useing it with my old Macbook pro A1150 without the key: ALTGR.
[14:38] <xubuntu056> my question: Is it possible to swap the function of the AltGr key to another? Perfect would be the right: "Applekey"
[14:38] <audrey> yes xubuntu056
[14:38] <xubuntu056> how would I do that? I tried to swap it with the keyboard manager
[14:39] <xubuntu056> but it didn't work
[14:40] <audrey> idk
[14:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> Um, AltGR is just the right alt key
[14:42] <audrey> xubuntu056: it'll involve xmodmap
[14:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> I though Macs only had Command and option keys.
[14:42] <xubuntu056> well, i just have the left alt key. I have: "Function key (Fn)" ; Control key; left Alt; "the applekey( i dont really know the name of it (home maybe)), then Space and than again one Applekey and finally one strange one with an little arrow on the very bottom of it
[14:43] <audrey> Fn on a mac?
[14:43] <audrey> what?
[14:43] <audrey> is this thing relaly old or somethign
[14:43] <xubuntu056> yes, it is from 2007, i forgot to write that down. sorry
[14:44] <audrey> lol
[14:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol... sad when 2007 is really old.
[14:44] <audrey> 2007 is only six years ago
[14:44] <audrey> oh god six years
[14:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> you never owned a 80286.
[14:44] <audrey> i'm twenty and i already feel old :/
[14:45] <audrey> having a job where i can listen to music and do linux stuff all day is the BEST
[14:45] <pl2> sweet jesus someone please help me: I can't, at all, find the file where xubuntu stores the PATH variables. can someone pass along the filepath? I've tried hundreds and none of them work. thank you.
[14:45] <xubuntu056> ^^ i got that second hand^^
[14:45] <audrey> p12 let me see if i can figure this out
[14:45] <audrey> /etc/profile ?
[14:45] <audrey> i haven't messed with a path in a while\
[14:46] <audrey> oh wait p12
[14:46] <audrey> ~/.profile
[14:46] <audrey> a 1.5 second google search yielded this information
[14:46] <audrey> :3
[14:47] <pl2> Thanks audrey, though /.profile is a sh script.. or at least, that's what's returned when i run: sudo leafpad ~/.profile
[14:47] <audrey> p12 that's the file you want
[14:48] <pl2> audrey, but where's the list of paths stored? I want to access the list because I want to remove something i've added..
[14:48] <koegs> why would you wanna use sudo if you open a file in your own home-folder? o.O
[14:48] <audrey> ^
[14:48] <audrey> p12 jesus christ
[14:48] <audrey> i just told you it's in ~/.profile
[14:49] <audrey> that's your path
[14:50] <pl2> perhaps i'm wording it wrong? I'm trying to find where the outpu of ${PATH} is stored.
[14:50] <pl2> same thing?
[14:50] <koegs> ~/.profile, /etc/profile, /etc/environment, /etc/bash.bashrc, ~/.bashrc
[14:50] <koegs> somewhere in that files, most likely
[14:51] <pl2> koegs, hmm ok. I know i tried most of those but i'll give it another try. thanks for the help.
[14:51] <pl2> koegs, i was using sudo just because i wanted to give the terminal no reason to yell at me :P
[14:52] <koegs> + if you want to start a graphical programm, please use gksudo or gksu instead of sudo
[14:53] <koegs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Graphical%20sudo
[14:53] <marsupapu> Is there any opportunity to get gnome-like "system"-menu to the panel?
[14:56] <marsupapu> Now I have applications and locations "if it is so in english" but I'd like to have system menu as well.
[15:01] <marsupapu> Applications, locations and system were those.
[15:02] <xubuntu056> i listed my keys with xmodmap, and now i read that to change the keys i need to work with the file: xmodmaprc? can somebody please tell me where i can find this file?
[15:06] <xubuntu056> sorry, but i am useing xubuntu since a couple of days and i've no idea how to do anything. My goal is to be able to write down the square brackets and the @ sign for "MATLAB"
[15:07] <xubuntu056> I connected my external keyboard from my other computer and found out, that i just need the function of the altgr key to write down those specific signs
[15:12] <xubuntu056> okay thank you all! i found out how to edit it. Bye!
[15:55] <Hix> anyone got a clue how to enable onscreen keyboard at login screen? Got vmware player issue where keyboard is corrupt until logged in..
[15:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> isn't there an accessibility button at the login screen?
[15:57] <ochosi> exactly
[15:57] <ochosi> and if that isn't the case, check your /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf for "keyboard=onboard"
[15:57] <ochosi> Hix: ^
[15:57] <Hix> the dude in the circle only has "large font" and "high contrast"
[15:58] <Hix> cool - thanks
[16:04] <Hix> ochosi added keyboard=onboard
[16:04] <Hix> to lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[16:04] <Hix> but still no option after a reboot
[16:05] <Hix> oops
[16:10] <Hix> is UTF8 the correct encoding for sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup? UK keyboard
[16:11] <tsimpson> unless you know better, you always want UTF8
[16:13] <Hix> thought as much. And for character set "Lati1 and Latin5 - westernEurope and Turkic languages" [sic]
[16:14] <ochosi> Hix: did you check that you have the onboard keyboard installed?
[16:14] <Hix> ochosi - I just added the line do i need a sudo apt-get install ....?
[16:15] <ochosi> Hix: well i would simply check by doing a "sudo apt-get install onboard"
[16:15] <ochosi> if it's there, apt will tell you
[16:15] <ochosi> if it's not there, you've found your problem
[16:15] <Hix> thx
[16:15] <ochosi> np
[16:16] <Hix> hmm already newest version
[16:17] <ochosi> Hix: so you added the config-option, you're using lightdm-gtk-greeter (i.e. xubuntu's default greeter and not e.g. unity-greeter) and you have onboard installed and the menu-item in accessibility in the greeter still doesn't do anything?
[16:18] <Hix> ochosi it appears not - though I do have a lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf file too, but I guess that isn't it as xfce has relpaced it?
[16:19] <ochosi> but you have the menuitem in the greeter?
[16:19] <Hix> yes http://pastebin.com/JQv02N8W
[16:20] <Hix> line 24
[16:20] <ochosi> no, i mean this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11222013-051954pm.php
[16:20] <ochosi> you have to activate the keyboard there
[16:20] <ochosi> it won't just pop up by default
[16:21] <ochosi> then it should look like this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11222013-052118pm.php
[16:21] <Hix> nope - no option  http://i.imgur.com/5enbm87.png
[16:21] <koegs> ochosi: where do i need to put that "user-logo"?
[16:22] <ochosi> koegs: ~/.face
[16:22] <ochosi> Hix: what version of the greeter do you have?
[16:22] <koegs> any special picture-format or parameters needed?
[16:22] <ochosi> Hix: "apt-cache policy lightdm-gtk-greeter"
[16:22] <ochosi> koegs: i think png is a good choice (but you have to save it without file ending)
[16:22] <ochosi> brb
[16:23] <koegs> thx, will try
[16:23] <Hix> ochosi 1.3.1-0ubuntu1
[16:29] <Hix> sorry ochosi time to leave work. thx for your assistance
[16:31] <ochosi> meh, that version of the greeter is too old...
[16:31] <ochosi> doesn't support onboard yet
[16:32] <ochosi> in case Hix shows up again, just tell him that (whoever reads this and remembers ;))
[16:33] <audrey> i won't remember
[17:56] <vkr> hello all
[18:19] <octetcloud> middle mouse click on a laptop touchpad, anybody know how to do it?
[18:19] <holstein> octetcloud: i used to emulate that with 3 finger tap
[18:37] <xubuntuholabando> Hello
[20:42] <hydruid> Is there a decent graphical app for managing disks?
[20:42] <hydruid> Ubuntu/KDE have one but Xubuntu doesn't have one by default
[20:44] <bekks> gparted
[20:45] <hydruid> bekks: I didn't even think of that one...ty
[21:13] <pjotter> Hi everyone. I just did a dist-upgrade to xfce-4.12. Unfortunately, it's kind of buggy on my computer. So, how can I 'uninstall' this distro and go back to xfce-4.10?
[21:14] <pjotter> btw, I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 LTS.
[21:14] <Lenny> Hi! I'm using fglrx-updates, but performance is poor, should i "downgrade" to fglrx?
[21:18] <Unit193> pjotter: Did you add a ppa?
[21:18] <pjotter> Hi Unit193: Yes
[21:18] <Unit193> !ppapurge
[21:18] <pjotter> Great! I'll try that
[21:19] <pjotter> What I dis was this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12
[21:20] <pjotter> Then an apt-get update followed with apt-get dist-update
[21:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh gosh! 4.12 isn't even ready for prime time.
[21:22] <pjotter> I know... :(
[21:23] <pjotter> I had some problems with some of the xfce 'goodies' and had to upgrade. I should have gone with 4.10
[21:25] <Unit193> 4.12 doesn't exist, 4.11 (development version) is rolling out.
[21:27] <pjotter> indeed, it seems I did a sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10 instead
[21:28] <pjotter> So, if I do a sudo ppa-purge ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10 I should be good?
[21:31] <pjotter> ok, brb...
[21:33] <pjotter> Back
[21:33] <pjotter> Wel, I seem to have lost all my panels and stuff
[21:34] <pjotter> Any way to get those back?
[21:34] <pjotter> :S
[21:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> Actually, I use that 4.10 ppa on Xubuntu 12.04
[21:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> No probs so far.
[21:42] <pjotter> Ok, I justed peeked in ~\.config\xfce4  All panels are still there. But now I'm back on xfce-4.08
[21:44] <pjotter> reinstalling 4.10 again ... keeping my fingers crossed... :S
[21:44] <pjotter> brb
[21:46] <pjotter> Ok, 4.10 is back agina. So far so good. only my panels are still missing.
[21:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> Make new ones?
[21:47] <pjotter> I rather go with the ones I already had. It took me some time to get it organised the way I wanted them to be
[21:47] <Unit193> rm -vrf ~/.cache/sessions/
[21:48] <pjotter> Unit193: Is that the solution to my problem?
[21:49] <pjotter> brb again...
[21:50] <Unit193> Likely not, but could be a saved session in theory.  Best bet is to move .config/xfce4/panels
[21:50] <pjotter> ok
[21:51] <pjotter> The panels still seem to be in ~/.config/xfce4/
[22:05] <pjotter> Hi there
[22:05] <pjotter> Still no luck in restoring my panels
[22:06] <pjotter> I just took a look at the files in my ./.config/xfce4/panel/ folder. All the right settings seem to be there. How can I get xfce4 to use them again?
[22:28] <xubuntu929> asdf
[22:28] <xubuntu929> asvf


[00:28] <brianjcohen> I'm looking for help with a broken dist-upgrade from precise to quantal - is this the right channel?
[00:28] <xnox> brianjcohen: not really. try support channel #ubuntu.
[00:29] <xnox> brianjcohen: this is mostly for low-lever installer bits.
[00:29] <brianjcohen> Got it, thanks!
[19:51] <thrz> hello, I was installing 12.10 in UEFI mode to a GPT disk, however in the custom partitioning page of the installer I get a choice of where to put the bootloader? I dont know if this query makes sense, isnt the bootloader always going in the EFI System Partition?


[08:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: our ci stuff is again borked?
[08:08] <tsdgeos> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-utopic/1518/console ?
[08:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, lookin'
[08:09] <Saviq> ugh, someone added a bad hook ERROR:pbuilderjenkins:H10strip_native_depends not found in hooks
[08:10] <Saviq> at least for that job
[08:11] <tsdgeos> it's similar to the other errors i've seen
[08:23] <mzanetti> kgunn: hmmm. I'm sure I saw an option to enable that in the system settings at some point
[09:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, dude, ETOOMANYPHONES :P
[09:06] <tsdgeos> sorry ^_^
[09:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: do we have more details on this one now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1378092
[09:15] <mzanetti> should it just be closed?
[09:17] <Saviq> let me try and repro
[09:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, fixed
[09:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: I really wonder why though :D
[09:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: when reproducing with an older image it seems to totally mess up the window stack
[09:21] <mzanetti> i.e. parts of the right edge animation have wrong z
[09:27] <Wellark> mzanetti: you didn't top approve the unity8 branch of dual sim unlocking..
[09:28] <Wellark> is there still something to do with it?
[09:31] <mzanetti> Wellark: I think I did
[09:32] <mzanetti> Wellark: now I top-approved too. forgot that before
[09:34] <Wellark> mzanetti: thanks!
[10:45] <dandrader> Cimi, how do I get to the welcome wizard?
[10:45] <Cimi> dandrader, rm /home/phablet/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run
[10:45] <Cimi> dandrader, or somethings similar...
[10:46] <dandrader> ok
[10:47] <greyback> tsdgeos: with a little finger mashing, I managed to get this: http://imgur.com/rW6F5oo
[10:48] <greyback> the entire lvwph is frozen now, but I can bring up the scopes view with a bottom edge swipe still
[10:55] <tsdgeos> greyback: what branch is that? regular master?
[10:57] <greyback> tsdgeos: yeah. I just imaged my device with today's devel-proposed and played
[10:57] <tsdgeos> greyback: ouch
[10:57] <tsdgeos> greyback: so the list is totally dead?
[10:58] <greyback> tsdgeos: I was being a jerk though :) But the finger mashing test is good sometimes
[10:58] <greyback> tsdgeos: yeah
[10:58] <greyback> I just now tried to open the video scope via the scopes view thingy, and now the whole UI is frozen
[10:58] <greyback> am working on a backtrace
[11:03] <tsdgeos> greyback: looks as if the fix dandrader did for touch vs mouse clicks didn't really fix everything maybe?
[11:03] <tsdgeos> greyback: since the bottom edge is touch and the rest is mouse
[11:03] <greyback> tsdgeos: that's a possibility
[11:03] <tsdgeos> dandrader: seen the comment i made on touchOwnership?
[11:04] <mzanetti> Wellark: hmm... I think I found an issue
[11:06] <dandrader> tsdgeos, will get to it in a bit
[11:07] <tsdgeos> k
[11:07] <greyback> dandrader: tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1378760
[11:10] <dandrader> didn't know we had this "pull to refresh" feature...
[11:10] <dandrader> greyback, what's a "stable device"?
[11:12] <greyback> dandrader: anything I can do while I have the process running in this state?
[11:14] <dandrader>  greyback does the bottom edge swipe to show dash overview still work?
[11:14] <greyback> dandrader: no
[11:15] <tsdgeos> pull to refresh does really nohing since it just piggy backs on the list dragging
[11:15] <dandrader> hmm, then it doesn't seem to be an issue of missing touch events
[11:15] <tsdgeos> greyback: where are you now at a scope?
[11:16] <greyback> tsdgeos: stuck in scope view now
[11:16] <dandrader> greyback, is unity8-dash running in the first place?
[11:17] <dandrader> (who knows, might be suspended)
[11:17] <greyback> dandrader: yes it was running
[11:17] <tsdgeos> greyback: and left and right edges work, no?
[11:17] <greyback> darn I managed to kill it
[11:17] <greyback> tsdgeos: yes unity8 itself was fine
[11:18] <Wellark> mzanetti: ?
[11:18]  * Wellark goes lalala
[11:18] <mzanetti> Wellark: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/indicator-network/dual_sim_pin_unlock/+merge/237386/comments/582527
[11:18] <Wellark> mzanetti: don't call it
[11:18] <Wellark> mzanetti: the "unlockallmodems" bug was withdrawn from this MP
[11:19] <mzanetti> Wellark: is there a replacement?
[11:19] <greyback> dandrader: tsdgeos: managed to reproduce it again
[11:19] <mzanetti> Wellark: the dialer app uses it afaik
[11:19] <Cimi> if we do opacity: !hidden instead opacity: hidden ? 0.0 : 1.0 ??
[11:20] <greyback> it takes a minute or two of 3 finger messing
[11:20] <tsdgeos> greyback: :/ i tried and could get it to fail
[11:20] <Cimi> can we do those js tricks or is ugly?
[11:20] <facundobatista> Hola
[11:21] <greyback> Cimi: ugly, it easier to understand what you're doing with the  ? 1 : 0 there
[11:21] <mzanetti> Cimi: I personally don't like such things
[11:23] <greyback> hmm, unity8-dash is continually creating & destroying a thread
[11:24] <Wellark> mzanetti: nope, the dialer app does not use it
[11:24] <mzanetti> managed to reproduce the stuck dash too
[11:24] <Wellark> mzanetti: as it's not working
[11:24] <mzanetti> Wellark: so what's the plan with that?
[11:24] <Wellark> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1374082
[11:25] <mzanetti> Wellark: right... in unity we'd still need to unlock all though
[11:25] <Wellark> mzanetti: I'm aware of that
[11:25] <mzanetti> ok
[11:26] <Wellark> mzanetti: there's only one me, so I can't fix everything at the same time ;)
[11:26] <Wellark> mzanetti: it will be there
[11:28] <mzanetti> greyback: tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1378760/comments/4
[11:28] <mzanetti> Wellark: ack
[11:29] <greyback> mzanetti: nice
[11:30] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: that has nothing to do with greyback's bug though
[11:30] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: since it recovers nicely (or at least does for me)
[11:30] <mzanetti> oh...
[11:31] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: does it recover for you?
[11:31] <mzanetti> yes... it recovers with more interaction..
[11:31]  * mzanetti tries harder
[11:31] <tsdgeos> i mean sure it's a bug that probably needs fixing
[11:31] <tsdgeos> but not as bad as what greyback said
[11:32] <greyback> yep, I managed to make it recover too
[11:33] <mzanetti> greyback: I guess you can tell us if its the same or if yours is different :)
[11:33] <greyback> mzanetti: mine is different, as I cannot make it recover
[11:33] <greyback> bt
[11:35] <mzanetti> heh, works horizontally too
[11:36] <mzanetti> oh... now I have it stuck too
[11:54] <dandrader> tsdgeos, pushed your forceNonInteractive thing
[11:56] <dandrader> tsdgeos, also used status instead of currentStatus. the latter was created just to help fill up previousStatus.
[11:57] <tsdgeos> dandrader: can you merge to listOnBottomSwipe_touchOwnership and then request a build at https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-ui-team/+recipe/unity8-overviewlist ?
[11:57] <tsdgeos> have to run for food now
[12:41] <Wellark> mzanetti: you forgot to restore the top approved:
[12:41] <Wellark> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/indicator-network/dual_sim_pin_unlock/+merge/237386
[12:42] <mzanetti> Wellark: I'm quite sure there wasn't one before
[12:42] <mzanetti> at least I didn't remove it
[12:42] <Wellark> mzanetti: oh, then charles forgot to add it
[12:43] <charles> Wellark, mzanetti, I left it out on purpose -- I didn't know if antti had more work/testing in the queue
[12:43] <charles> +1 on top approval though :)
[12:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, done (PPA just started building though)
[12:47] <Wellark> charles: you could have just asked me, you know! :P
[12:47] <Wellark> charles: just top approve it
[12:48] <Wellark> charles: ok, seems jussi already did
[12:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader|afk: tx
[13:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: any chance we get the CI build fixed?
[13:28] <kgunn> MacSlow: noticing the vol notification come up in the welcome wiz showing mute, but i don't think it's correct...did you notice as well ?
[13:29] <MacSlow> kgunn, which image?
[13:29] <kgunn> dandrader: tsdgeos \o/ right edge so much better
[13:29] <kgunn> MacSlow: i'm on utopic devel-proposed
[13:29] <MacSlow> kgunn, not seen yet... being deep down with the swipe-to-act button atm
[13:29] <kgunn> MacSlow: no prob
[13:29] <tsdgeos> yeah on the volume notification i'd expect a bar
[13:30] <tsdgeos> not the speaker logo
[13:30] <tsdgeos> kgunn: there's a new build coming in a few mins that should fix a few small annoyances with the bottom edge
[13:30] <tsdgeos> kgunn: i will give it a final test and probably approve, would be cool if you could also test it
[13:30] <kgunn> MacSlow: actually, i don't wanna make you switch if you're in the middle...but i think some quality time with the max vol notfication would be in order
[13:31] <MacSlow> kgunn, tsdgeos: welll that's because two of the three related branches still in the review-pipe
[13:31] <kgunn> MacSlow: reason being, the max vol thing is legal requirement, whereas swipe to answer is user improvement....we can live with click-to-answer, but not w/o max vol notif
[13:31] <MacSlow> kgunn, tsdgeos: one (unity-notifications) is arleady top-approved... the other (unity8) needs another review (approval)
[13:32] <kgunn> and i fear it'll take time to sort out exactly what we're gonna do in a short amount of time
[13:32] <kgunn> cause i think it's gonna require alsa driver or audio DAC driver involvement
[13:33] <tsdgeos> vesar: did you have time to show the new bottom list to JMulholland and the guys? any feedback?
[13:33] <tsdgeos> kgunn: did you see my plethora of answers on the volume thing?
[13:34] <MacSlow> kgunn, regarding the max-volume issue, I think UI/UX is "tiny" compared to the needed foundational underpinnings making it possible
[13:34] <kgunn> tsdgeos: not yet, was bug scrubbing & updating this morning
[13:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, nobody replied then, will pester
[13:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, actually fginther is looking into that now
[13:34] <tsdgeos> kgunn: ok, basically there's 2 kinds, the ones that ask "you sure you want more" at 70/80% of volume, and the ones that do nothing
[13:34] <tsdgeos> Saviq: cool
[13:42] <mterry> dednick, looking at your review comments for the greeter-profiles branch.  I thought semicolons were passé?
[13:43] <mterry> We need some team style guidance on that, because we are half-and-half now
[13:43] <tsdgeos> dandrader: found two qmluitest failures in https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/touchOwnership/+merge/236152
[13:43] <dednick> mterry: hm. i've always been told to do them.
[13:43] <dednick> Saviq: ^ ?
[13:43] <dandrader> tsdgeos, commented. are you sure you used the latest version of touchOwnership?
[13:43] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I'm not getting this failure
[13:43] <Saviq> mterry, in JS we want ;
[13:43] <mterry> Saviq, !  OK, my bad
[13:44] <mterry> Saviq, except for one-liners I assume?
[13:44] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yeah, just pulled and make again
[13:44] <tsdgeos> nothing came out of it
[13:44] <mterry> Saviq, do we have a style page for the wiki yet?  That would be great
[13:44] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, if there's no code block/scope (a binding), that's not really JS
[13:44] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i can try make clean and start again
[13:44] <Saviq> mterry, this is the closest we got to defining it https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1gd87Wo_CSB0DpFWLpTKIIXQfdmFncrq0PHSr9H2PTnk/edit
[13:45] <mterry> Saviq, it is JS though technically right?  Like you can do all the JS stuff just in one line
[13:45] <Saviq> mterry, technically yes
[13:45] <tsdgeos> dandrader: r1338, no?
[13:45] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yes
[13:46] <dandrader> tsdgeos, the tst_Shell failure happens also in trunk
[13:47] <tsdgeos> dandrader: does it?
[13:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, try it
[13:49] <mterry> Saviq, OK linked that document from the Checklist wiki
[13:51] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ok, there's a path problem
[13:51] <mterry> dednick, another thing -- you rightly show concern about the async line -- if you've got your test device still, try manually adding that line back in -- the delay is quite profound and I think too noticable for this to land with async enabled
[13:51] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i have unity8 installed from the ppa and was "old", now that i dist-upgraded, the test passes
[13:51] <mterry> dednick, considering that once we have different greeter profiles, a common pattern is for a user to log in just to interact with the full indicator
[13:51] <dednick> mterry: ok. i'll give it a try
[13:51] <tsdgeos> dandrader: should prepend the local paths somewhere
[13:51] <dandrader> tsdgeos, you were running qmltest on the device?
[13:51] <tsdgeos> dandrader: no, on the pc
[13:52] <dednick> mterry: perhaps we need to think about loading multiple profiles :/
[13:52] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so you install the PPA on your PC?
[13:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i have it yes
[13:52] <dandrader> never thought someone would do this :)
[13:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, "should prepend the local paths somewhere" <- didn't get it.
[13:53] <tsdgeos> dandrader: in the tests, you should make sure the local library is used and not the system one
[13:54] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i'm guessing it's the new lib you introduced
[13:55] <tsdgeos> dandrader: xvfbtestShell succeeds here in master
[13:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, if we still get black photos in carousel (I'm checking if we do), that'd be unexpected after your sourceSize thingamajig (lol that's in my spell checking dictionary), right?
[13:57] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there was a thread about someone putting wrong exif info somewhere and thus resulting in black images
[13:57] <tsdgeos> not sure if it may be related
[13:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right, from the camera app?
[13:57] <tsdgeos> think so
[13:57] <dandrader> tsdgeos, you sure you have the latest lp:unity8 built and all?
[13:57] <tsdgeos> dandrader: pretty much
[13:58] <dandrader> Saviq, does "make xvfbtestShell" pass for you with lp:unity8?
[13:58] <Saviq> dandrader, checking
[13:59] <tsdgeos> dandrader: are you sure you have the latest lp:unity8 and all?
[13:59] <dednick> meh. batter dead :(
[14:00] <kgunn> charles: aiui, the checkable-bindings branch is needed, but doesn't completely solve the bug
[14:00] <kgunn> per  your comment there
[14:01] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yes. but I don't have unity8 installed in my system, unlike you
[14:01] <charles> kgunn, I figured as much, so I left it as a comment instead of needs-fixing
[14:01] <Saviq> kgunn, is there a reason why you committed the last release to rtm-14.09 like this https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/rtm-14.09 ?
[14:01] <Saviq> kgunn, can I overwrite with current trunk?
[14:01] <dandrader> tsdgeos,  if that makes any difference...
[14:01] <kgunn> charles: rock on
[14:01] <charles> kgunn, just as long as the problem doesn't get dropped when checkable-bindings lands
[14:01] <charles> kgunn, :-)
[14:01] <kgunn> charles: nope, dednick already on it
[14:01] <kgunn> (i think :)
[14:02] <charles> dednick, rock on
[14:02] <kgunn> Saviq: did i do something wrong ?
[14:02] <Saviq> kgunn, I usually just push trunk to rtm-14.09 after stuff landed in trunk
[14:02] <kgunn> Saviq: while you were out, seb was climbing up my back side asking me to merge trunk to it
[14:03] <kgunn> Saviq: yeah, i only did it once...
[14:03] <tsdgeos> dandrader: it shouldn't but it may as we've already seen
[14:03] <Saviq> kgunn, basically `bzr push -d lp:unity8 -r 8.00+14.10.20141006-0ubuntu1 lp:unity8/rtm-14.09`
[14:03] <kgunn> Saviq: got it....not merge...you push
[14:03]  * kgunn notes for future
[14:04] <kgunn> mzanetti: ^
[14:04] <Saviq> kgunn, which would take tag 8.00... from lp:unity8 and put it there
[14:04] <Saviq> and it won't even need overwrite, as it has the same history (in general, now it will because of your merge)
[14:05] <kgunn> sorry :-/
[14:05] <kgunn> Saviq: can you revert ?
[14:05] <Saviq> kgunn, just an --overwrite away
[14:05] <Saviq> kgunn, already done
[14:05] <mzanetti> hmm... I thought that would happen automatically when releasing to rtm using the train
[14:05] <Saviq> kgunn, no need to be sorry
[14:05] <kgunn> Saviq: ah so one time penalty of time
[14:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, nope, train has no knowledge of the rtm branch
[14:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, it will soon, when the two diverge and we'll start cherry-picking from trunk to rtm
[14:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, but then there will be no syncing in rtm silos, but MPs as usual
[14:06] <mzanetti> Saviq: right... I guess we should start doing that now...
[14:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, let's see when the floodgates are closed, that's when we'll start
[14:23] <kgunn> Saviq: can i ask for some priority love on this one? figure you'll wanna review before top approving
[14:23] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity8/better_snap_decision_fix/+merge/237485
[14:23] <kgunn> small at least
[14:25] <Saviq> kgunn, kk
[14:28] <dandrader> Saviq, so, did the test pass?
[14:29] <Saviq> dandrader, ugh, distracted, sorry, built now, running it
[14:30]  * Saviq had some /boot trouble
[14:36] <dednick> mterry: what kind of delay are we talking about here? 1-2 seconds to populate if you open IMMEDIATELY after you switch from greeter?
[14:36] <mterry> dednick, yeah about
[14:36] <mterry> dednick, but I figure that that's going to be common
[14:36] <mterry> dednick, like if you can't see your events or whatever
[14:36] <mterry> dednick, you log in with the intention of immediately going to the menu
[14:58]  * mterry starts reviewing all the branches so only mine are left for others to review
[15:00] <dednick> mterry: :/ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85539674/greeter-indicators.png
[15:00] <mterry> dednick, is that without the silo?
[15:00] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, xvfbtestShell passed:
[15:01] <dednick> mterry: that is with the silo
[15:01] <Saviq> Totals: 21 passed, 0 failed, 0 skipped
[15:01] <mterry> dednick, indicator-transfer in utopic has a bug where it shows the datetime UI in greeter mode
[15:01] <mterry> dednick, but you don't have a transfer icon in that screenshot either...
[15:01] <mterry> dednick, I'm suspicious
[15:01] <MacSlow> mterry, which branches do you want to be looked at?
[15:01] <mterry> MacSlow, mine in https://code.launchpad.net/unity8/+activereviews
[15:01] <dednick> mterry: and there are 2 datetimes
[15:02] <mterry> MacSlow, well any of them.  But *I* want mine looked at  :)
[15:02] <MacSlow> mterry, I know that feeling :)
[15:02] <mterry> dednick, yes because transfer shows datetime UI in greeter mode (as a bug -- if you look at it's indicator keyfile, it has a typo and shows the wrong object path)
[15:02] <mterry> dednick, that's fixed in the silo
[15:02] <mterry> dednick, which is why I'm suspicious you are running the silo
[15:03] <dednick> hm. should be using silo
[15:05] <dednick> mterry: i think the ppa has older version than is available.
[15:06] <mterry> dednick, then you can edit /usr/share/unity/indicators/com.canonical.indicator.transfer manually and fix the typo
[15:06] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ahhhh, finally found the cause of the mistery. my local lp:unity8 branch has a pending merge.  and bzr pull still works fine even it you have a merge pending!
[15:06] <dandrader> phew!
[15:07] <dednick> mterry: yup. did already
[15:08] <tsdgeos> lol this is bad
[15:08] <tsdgeos> open the clock app
[15:08] <tsdgeos> clock app takes 70%
[15:08] <tsdgeos> but not only that
[15:08] <mterry> ted, I thought the transfer indicator was fixed in your greeter profile silo?
[15:08] <tsdgeos> untiy8 takes 30% cpy
[15:08] <tsdgeos> why?
[15:09] <ted> mterry, Should be…
[15:09] <mterry> ted, I think maybe the silo just needs a rebuild then to get back above utopic
[15:10] <ted> mterry, Yeah, working on that. merge conflicts.
[15:11] <tsdgeos> ah because unity8 is the display server
[15:11] <tsdgeos> so that 30% is actually mir?
[15:19] <dednick> mterry: hm. ok, there doesnt really seem to be that much lag to me, but the lag introducedin sync mode is pretty bad i think.
[15:19] <dednick> I think the lag with async will be reduced when my new indicator branch lands. The menu is actually at 0 height when you drag it, so i think the items are being loaded "only as visible". The new panel page is always the same height so the items will be loaded immediately.
[15:22] <tsdgeos> dandrader: so it fails/works for you now?
[15:24] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yeah, now it passes in lp:unity8. working on a fix for it in touchOwnership
[15:24] <tsdgeos> dandrader: \o/
[15:24] <dandrader> :)
[15:27] <dednick> mterry: just commented on your branch
[15:36] <kgunn> mterry having an internet day
[17:40] <mterry> dednick, I assume you didn't get my reply an hour ago -- I had awful internet
[17:41] <mterry> dednick, back in a cafe
[17:51] <racarr> Does anyone understand what is up with the qtmir-gles stuff and the "twin packages"
[17:51] <racarr> I wonder if its related to the struggle I am having with building qtmir-desktop on armhf in CI
[17:51] <racarr> ...with cmake
[17:52] <racarr> thats a lot of qualifiers lol
[17:53] <kgunn> racarr: i think bregma knows
[17:53] <greyback_> racarr: Qt has a compile time choice to use DesktopGL or GLES. The results are ABI incompatible. So we've 2 version of Qt in the repos
[17:54] <greyback_> as result, we need separate version of qtmir to compile against the Qt with GL, and the Qt with GLES
[17:57] <racarr> greyback_: I guess I thought thats what qtmir-android v. qtmir-desktop?
[17:57] <racarr> was
[17:58] <bregma> is there a binary package called qtmir-gles?  Not that I can see in the Ubuntu archives.
[17:59] <greyback_> there isn't
[17:59] <racarr> ok so the binary package is qtmir-android
[17:59]  * greyback_ got confused, has to look it up again
[18:00] <racarr> my main problem is I don't understand how qtmir-desktop is building on armhf
[18:00] <racarr> as it stands.
[18:00] <racarr> e.g. ifyou try and build qtmir-desktop and qtmir-android fromt hesame
[18:00] <racarr> build dependencies
[18:00] <racarr> wont qtmir-desktop be linked against
[18:01] <racarr> Qt-gles
[18:01] <greyback_> qtmir-desktop is built for all arches out of lp:qtmir - it's only qtmir-android that is split over qtmir & qtmir-gles
[18:02] <greyback_> qtmir-gles builds qtmir-android for i386 and x64, as those are the situations in the emulator, where Qt has GLES but runs on a non-android system
[18:03] <greyback_> yes qtmir-desktop will link against the qt-gles on armhf
[18:03] <greyback_> which does sound wrong
[18:03] <racarr> then what is it?
[18:03] <racarr> yeah
[18:04] <greyback_> I suspect nothing has ever used qtmir-desktop on armhf
[18:04] <racarr> yeah haha...I think its probably linked against
[18:04] <racarr> GLES...
[18:04] <racarr> the qtmir qmake files
[18:04] <racarr> dont explicitly use GL or GLES afaict
[18:04] <racarr> so its just coming from the
[18:05] <racarr> Qt configuration
[18:05] <greyback_> makes sense yeah
[18:05] <racarr> so the problem is I dont think its possible to build
[18:05] <racarr> qtmir-desktop and qtmir-android from the same source package on armhf?
[18:06] <racarr> Unless Qt/GL and Qt/GLES are parallel installable
[18:07] <greyback_> qtmir-desktop will compile against Qt/GLES, as that's the one on armhf usually
[18:07] <racarr> greyback_: I thought qtmir-desktop was supposed to be qtmir linked against Qt/GL though
[18:08] <racarr> what is the qtmir-desktop/android distinction?
[18:08] <greyback_> racarr: I think it is supposed to be too, but in actuality I suspect it doesn't - but it's not used so no-one ever noticed
[18:08] <greyback_> the main distinction is a call to eglBindAPI(DesktopGL) somewhere
[18:09] <racarr> right...
[18:09] <racarr> hmm ok
[18:09] <racarr> greyback_: Do you think I should just try and replicate this in qtmir/cmake or
[18:10] <racarr> we should get rid of qtmir-desktop on armhf
[18:10] <greyback_> racarr: bregma might object to the latter notion. I would rather not having hacks in our cmake, just to copy qmake weirdness though
[18:12] <greyback_> it's debian that was including that extra runtime dependence on mesa-gl1, can we force it just build-time only?
[18:12] <racarr> greyback_: I realized though, even then the resultingpackage
[18:12] <racarr> would be linked against GL, but Qt/GLES
[18:13] <racarr> so to really fix it you would need to make the Qts parallel installable and selectable
[18:13] <bregma> I thought Qt was going to switch to doing runtime detection?
[18:13] <greyback_> rsalveti will probably say that's not gonna happen any time soon :)
[18:13] <greyback_> bregma: that was on Windows
[18:14] <rsalveti> maybe qt 5.5?
[18:14] <greyback_> mainly as some customer paid them to do it I suspect
[18:14] <rsalveti> let me find the qt bug
[18:14] <bregma> we do runtime detection in libSDL2, so we know it's possible
[18:14] <rsalveti> yeah, not much progress
[18:14] <rsalveti> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-36829
[18:14] <rsalveti> bregma: it's possible, but still require some work on qt
[18:15]  * greyback_ late for the pub
[18:15] <greyback_> o/
[18:15] <racarr> Bye! thanks
[18:15] <racarr> was having lots of trouble wrapping head around it myself
[18:17] <racarr> I think we should just delete the qtmir-desktop armhf package...I kind of doubt its ever worked. Does anyone even have an mesa-opengl (not gles) armhf device
[18:17] <racarr> to test if it works?
[18:17] <racarr> Does such a thing even exist?
[18:17] <racarr> But if its impossible to
[18:17] <racarr> delete packages
[18:17] <racarr> I can work around it now I guess...
[19:34] <mterry> I don't suppose anyone has extra review cycles floating around?