[00:12] <ripps> kernel 2.6.31-1 broke my ati drivers
[00:12] <ripps> Also, why does gdm want to remove fast-user-switch-applet?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> ripps: no more used on karmic
[00:13] <ripps> So, just let it be removed?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> I will not say anything
[00:14] <BUGabundo> it didn't ask me yet
[00:14] <Ian_Corne> err
[00:14] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: it will be used iirc
[00:14] <Ian_Corne> but it's not compatible with the new GDM yet
[00:15] <ghindo> Hrm, I'm still on GDM 2.20...should I force an upgrade?
[00:16] <Ian_Corne> well you're using karmic  to test new stuff?
[00:16] <ripps> Does anybody here know how to fix my radeon drivers? I can't use dri, it the xorg.log says something about radeon.o is 2.0.0, but 1.17.0 or newer  is needed; disabling dri
[01:54] <DanaG> When is Xorg going to be able to handle keycodes > 255?
[02:53] <poseidon> Is there a package I can install to get acmkdir?
[03:00] <poseidon> did a google search.  saw a few comments about acmkdir not being in the debian repos either
[05:56] <DanaG> dtchen: oh yeah, did you get a chance to dig up that ALSA upstream bug-report link?
[06:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/394985
[06:11] <DanaG> yargh.
[06:17] <ripps> Okay, my list of things that are bugging me right now: 1) I have to enter a password to use my wifi.  2) I have to enter the exact same password a second time to mount my ntfs harddisks.  3) I have to unplug and replug my wacom to get it working.
[06:18] <SeveredCross> ripps: You can blame DeviceKit for #2.
[06:18] <SeveredCross> Not sure about #1, I don't have that issue.
[06:18] <SeveredCross> Actually, DeviceKit/PolicyKit.
[06:18] <ripps> SeveredCross: It's a gnome-keyring thing
[06:18] <ripps> I'm actually just unlocking my keyring
[06:18] <SeveredCross> Ah. Hmm, mine never asks me to unlock my keyring after login.
[06:19] <SeveredCross> For mounting disks, I get asked by DeviceKit every time.
[06:19] <ripps> SeveredCross: do you use autologin?
[06:19] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[06:19] <ripps> SeveredCross: see, gnome-keyring takes your password there
[06:19] <ripps> Since I have autologin, it needs credentials
[06:19] <SeveredCross> Ah-ha, that would explain it
[06:20] <ripps> And I'm okay with that to an extent, it's the fact that have to type my password twice from two seperate prompts when I login
[06:21] <ripps> I think you can unsecure the gnome-keyring, and have it work without a password, but I forgot how to do that.
[06:23] <Ian_Corne> it asks that when you give a password for the first time :p
[06:23] <DanaG> ugh, anything I send with notify-send stays up for like 5 or 10 seconds.
[06:24] <DanaG> I thought it was only supposed to stay up for 1/2 a second!
[06:25] <Ian_Corne> aha :p
[06:25] <Ian_Corne>        -t, --expire-time=TIME
[06:25] <Ian_Corne>               Specifies  the  timeout  in  milliseconds at which to expire the
[06:25] <Ian_Corne>               notification.
[06:26] <DanaG> -t 750
[06:26] <DanaG> 750 milliseconds is what I specify.
[06:27] <DanaG> 11 SECONDS is what I get.
[06:28] <Ian_Corne> yeah doesn't seem to work :p
[06:28] <ripps> DanaG: it seems notify-osd ignores the time specified by notify-send
[06:28] <DanaG> Yeah, but multiplying it by like 20... is absurd.
[06:29] <ripps> DanaG: It does 10 seconds, every time
[06:29] <DanaG> I thought they said the minimum should be like 500 milliseconds.
[06:30] <DanaG> I have a script that does this on a keypress:           notify-send -t 750 "Ambient Light Sensor" "OFF" -i stock_brightness #gnome-brightness-applet
[06:30] <ripps> DanaG: I think that can only be specified via code or dbus... or something... I'm not entirely clear on the specification...
[06:30] <DanaG> If I want to toggle the thing twice... I have to wait 20 seconds before I know the final state AND it goes away.
[06:31] <ripps> DanaG: I'm not entirely sure if the timing can be controled yet, but if it can, I'm pretty sure it would have to be done directly. Your best to file a bug or ask a ubuntu-dev
[06:32] <ripps> Ian_Corne: do you know how to remove a gnome-keyring password once I've made it?
[06:33] <SeveredCross> ripps: Seahorse.
[06:35] <DanaG> man notify-osd
[06:35] <DanaG> No manual entry for notify-osd
[06:35] <DanaG> thaaanks.
[06:36] <ripps> Notify-osd is still in a stat of flux, things are still changing and features being changed and added. So right now, it's kinda hard to get a bead on it's api
[06:38] <DanaG> 10 seconds is still pretty ridiculous for something triggered by a key.
[06:39] <Ian_Corne> ripps: sorry i don't know
[06:40] <Ian_Corne> there's a menu in applications->accesories->passwords and encry...
[06:41] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the notification title "Ambient Light Sensor" gets wrapped to two lines.   Light Sensor" looks stupid)?
[06:41] <DanaG> oh, just Amb (with no dot) works.
[06:42] <Ian_Corne> bbl
[06:42] <DanaG> or just "Brightness Sensor"
[06:45] <DanaG> eh, looks best as "AmbientLightSensor" -- no spaces, but the proper name.
[06:45] <DanaG> Anyway... any chance of getting Ubuntu to patch find_task_by_vpid back into the kernel, temporarily?
[06:46] <DanaG> For now, I'll just build my own ALSA for the 2.6.30 kernel.
[06:49] <DanaG> Nifty thing with new GDM: you can make volume control keys work there.
[06:49] <DanaG> Just have to enable the media-keys plugin in the gconf thingy.
[06:52] <DanaG> hmm, ALSA calls my USB sound card an "Audio Advantage Roadie", but Turtle Beach calls it SRM, not Roadie.
[06:52] <DanaG> I believe the only difference between the two was the color of the case, though.
[07:23] <DanaG> ugh, ALSA git server is being dog-slow.
[07:23] <DanaG> 20 kilobytes per second.
[07:24] <Ian_Corne> :p
[07:28] <DanaG> well, now it's 100 kilobytes per second.  Better, but still sucky.
[07:30] <DanaG> eh, I give up.
[07:30] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu would temporarily patch that missing symbol back into the kernel.
[07:30] <DanaG> .. so then I could use 2.6.31 with fglrx.
[07:30] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[07:31] <DanaG> anyway, bye for now.
[09:33] <eagles0513875> i have tried to install the 2.6.30-10 kernel that is in karmic repos but for some reason its not showing up in the gurb list
[09:34] <hifi> 2.6.31 is already in the karmic repos, don't you want it?
[09:34] <eagles0513875> hifi: im having issues with the plasma widget connecting to my wpa2 mixed encryption wiwi network
[09:34] <eagles0513875> most likely its a regression in the widget and nothing to do with the kernel
[10:01] <pvandewyngaerde> i cannot install the daily builds, i tried two already, and i always get permission denied errors
[10:17] <yofel> pvandewyngaerde: permission denied for what? download cd/burn it/boot/install/...
[10:25] <yofel> argh, bug 388953 is annoying *-.-
[10:38] <cbr> uhm, why is my karmic pretty broken?
[10:39] <cbr> at times KDE doesn't start although KDM does.. X just crashes.. when i log in @ VT, it gives errors about /dev/null not being accessible.. the wicd network manager doesn't work.. yet on some boots some of these things work again
[10:55] <pvandewyngaerde> yofel:  downloaded iso image,  using it in a new virtualbox machine , ubuntu and kubuntu: see also  bug 394646
[12:46] <anteaterNethack> in gdm the option for just using the users .xsession instead of a registered window manager does not exist anymore.  is creating a *.desktop file the right way to go?
[12:46] <bazhang> anteaterNethack, in karmic? or jaunty
[12:46] <anteaterNethack> karmic.
[12:47] <anteaterNethack> it was there by default in jaunty.
[12:47] <anteaterNethack> (i am using an xmonad that lives in my home.)
[12:47] <bazhang> best wait for an answer in here then, in lieu of #ubuntu
[12:48] <anteaterNethack> yes.
[12:49]  * gnomefreak blames mono
[12:49] <anteaterNethack> i'll just fix it the way dr_willis said in #ubuntu in the meantime.
[12:50]  * gnomefreak working on lower panel atm, swomeone knows whats wrong with it let me know save me some time :)
[12:53] <anteaterNethack> karmic works pretty well for a pre-release.  i had not had any other problems.
[12:55] <gnomefreak> eh a few issues that i expected just caught me off guard since ive been gone for a while
[12:56] <anteaterNethack> i only updated last week.
[12:56] <anteaterNethack> ok, i'll have to restart my X now, to see if the fix worked.  see you!
[13:05] <pvandewyngaerde> i cannot install it
[13:17] <anteaterNethack> re.
[13:35] <nh2> hi, is there any way I can try multi pointer X (mpx) without spending days on it?
[13:35] <nh2> I'd like to see what it can do with two mice
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, after latest upgrades I can see black rectangular holes on my screen, on ATI
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> like the vga cursor
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> on the Xorg screen
[14:10] <Medo42> I'm using the Xubuntu karmic alpha and gdm stopped working.
[14:12] <Medo42> I can start an x session manually as root when I kill gdm, with "sudo startx", but gdm only shows a black screen with movable "busy" mouse cursor.
[14:12] <gnomefreak> Medo42: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
[14:13] <gnomefreak> does that help
[14:13] <Medo42> No, same result.
[14:14] <gnomefreak> X drivers maybe
[14:14] <Medo42> I also tried going back to the 2.6.30 kernel without any change
[14:15] <Medo42> And as I said, I can start x manually as root and get an xfce session, so x seems to be working fine.
[14:25] <Medo42> I'll try to reinstall gdm
[14:30] <Medo42> Did not help
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:34] <Medo42> Hi. I'm giving up for now.
[14:34] <tgpraveen> BluesKaj: h
[14:35] <tgpraveen> hi
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I told you that I see sort of a black vga cursor disturbing my X, but there is more
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you should see my console (tty1...n)
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have pieces of X windows over there :)
[14:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> please tell me you already know. If I have to report such a bug it will be a great headache
[14:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some of them you use a camera to get pics of the console...
[14:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> OMG my english is died
[14:43] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: There's more information and a fix at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/394263
[14:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> great
[14:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I love you
[14:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah it's just kernel, good
[14:45] <rww> there's a problem with the radeon driver and kernel mode-setting that causes a bunch of problems, including tty1...n not working, blocks on the screen, accelleration not working... that modprobe.d entry disables KMS which fixes all of that.
[14:45] <gnomefreak> and i thought nvidia was in bad shape
[14:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: if you have an ATI, I never understood the plethora of driver options available. Basically I should stay with wathever ubuntu choses for me?
[14:46]  * gnomefreak be back later to check on build
[14:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean the choice of the driver, not the options of a specific driver
[14:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww thanks!
[14:47] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: it depends on your card. If the Hardware Drivers utility tells you that you can use the non-free ATI driver, that might be worth a look if you need 3D acceleration (compiz) and don't have it by default. Otherwise, yeah, I'd stay with the default
[14:48] <rww> (and the non-free ATI driver doesn't support a bunch of cards now, so don't bother with it if Hardware Drivers doesn't list it)
[14:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have 3d accelleration by default, *very* fast for an old laptop, the only problem is some wrong video frequency that sometimes makes  my screen dark for a couple of seconds
[14:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I can live with it
[14:49] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: then I'd stay with what you have :)
[14:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what is KMS?
[14:50] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: KMS = kernel mode-setting = setting up the graphics card inside the kernel at the beginning of boot, rather than when Xorg starts
[14:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is this the thing that caused my consoles not to be 80x25 anymore?
[14:52] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: possibly. I never got it working right (it breaks my consoles), so I don't know if it does that.
[14:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: reboot time, thanks again
[14:53] <rww> gnomefreak: well nvidia's free drivers don't even attempt KMS yet, as far as I know ;)
[14:54] <rww> oh, i lie, apparently they reverse-engineered it in nouveau. nifty.
[14:55] <gnomefreak> rww: not sure but i guess from last comment they do
[14:55] <gnomefreak> they dont work nor does the 173 driver in our PPA or repos but upstream works
[14:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: kms *is* responsible for the high-resolution ttys
[14:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: now I know because I rebooted and they are back to good old 80x25. The high resolution ones are extremely slow on all computers I've seen them on. I hope some day the developers will change their mind on this.
[14:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Another question: is Xorg *very* crashy for you since a week or less?
[14:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it tends to crash while I type
[15:00] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: nope, it's working fine here. Is it still happening after putting in that modprobe.d line?
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: it's happening on two different pcs. The modprobe line solved all the new problems except this one
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but the other pc has an intel card. I suspect it's gdm
[15:01] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: That'd be the other thing that changed last week, yeah.
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> idea, will try to use startx and see
[15:22] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: can i ask ya a question
[15:25] <bmunger> I can't get either the Live CD or Alternate cd to install using usb.. what's the trick?
[15:26] <bmunger> And netboot will not work either
[15:27] <eagles0513875> bmunger: if you upgrade from jaunty to karmic it works
[15:27] <bmunger> I had bad luck with upgrades
[15:27] <bmunger> on any os
[15:29] <eagles0513875> well from jaunty to karmic it works cuz i did it day before yesterday
[15:36] <tgpraveen> hi all
[15:39] <bmunger> any idea when the livecd installer will be fixed for kubuntu?
[15:40] <tgpraveen> is banshee and empathy the default yet on the cd?
[15:54] <bmunger> ok i cant use jaunty to update to karmic because only thing thats available are dvd images and its too big for my usb disk
[15:54] <bmunger> tried jaunty netboot and that doesnt work either
[15:55] <yofel> bmunger: the jaunty cd's would be here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[15:55] <bmunger> why isnt it on cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[15:55] <maco> any of you use GoodReads + Firefox 3.5?
[15:56] <yofel> bmunger: no idea ^^
[15:56] <bmunger> ok
[15:56] <bmunger> going to try today's karmic live cd and if it doesnt work i will try the jaunty cd
[15:57] <yofel> bmunger: what about the alpha2 cd?
[15:57] <bmunger> if i remember they said the only working one was alternate..and alternate doesnt work on anything but real cdrom drives
[15:58] <bmunger> but maybe i will try that next instead
[15:59] <yofel> who said that, there are desktop isos of alpha2 here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-2/
[16:10] <yofel> cool, it seems that after 2 jears of using ubuntu Suspend now seems to work flawless on my thinkpad :)
[16:28] <JMFTheVCI> Found a nice bug today. If I use Synaptic and click on Reload it works - *unless* I am using a VPN connection (AT&T) then it chashes my system. This is with the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel. With the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel it does not crash in these circumstances. This is repeatable.
[16:29] <JMFTheVCI> Worth reporting? The AT&T dialer is a company specifc item of software and is not in the ubuntu repos.
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Anyone get VirtualBox-OSE to work in <IP_ADDRESS> kernel?
[16:35] <JMFTheVCI> Try <IP_ADDRESS> which is just out.
[16:35] <JMFTheVCI> I have seen that <IP_ADDRESS> is buggy.
[16:41] <SwedeMike> I tought 2.6.31 was only at rc2 stage?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I don't know where it is at, but it is in karmic 64bit, at least
[16:42] <JMFTheVCI> It might well be. I have all repositories active. I do know that I have had issues with 31.1 so 31.2 is worth a try. <IP_ADDRESS> has been stable so far.
[16:43] <JMFTheVCI> (I am a 32-bit only so can't make x64 judgements.)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> I'll give it a try.
[18:00]  * Bmw1000c brb
[18:01] <DanaG> dtchen: I'm looking through the ALSA git server... and it hasn't been updated since June 6th.  Do you know what's going on with that?
[18:02] <DanaG> ... and where I can get the ALSA with those mute GPIO patches?
[18:05] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: do you still need me?
[18:38] <holzmodem> is it true, that the kernel > 2.6.30 no longer support loading custom DSDT file thru initramfs?
[18:43] <maco> holzmodem, might be something to ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:53] <badmox_> hi i have an problem with upgrading to 9.10 alpha update-manager -d does not work
[18:55] <gnomefreak> most likley it hasnt been updated to add the -d flag for 9.10
[18:55] <Leftmost> I'm attempting to set up a VPN connection with Network Manager, but the Add button in the connection editor is greyed out. network-manager-vpnc is installed and Network Manager has been restarted since. Ideas?
[18:56] <gnomefreak> oh bw gdm is going to break on gdm update
[18:57] <gnomefreak> s/bw/btw
[18:57] <gnomefreak> 2.26.1-0ubuntu3 is broken one
[18:57] <gnomefreak> as of a few hours ago
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Time to reinstall karmic here. Upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS> kernel and newest gdm failed totally
[19:11] <SeveredCross> I haven't gotten the 2.6.31 kernel yet...
[19:11] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[19:11] <SeveredCross> gdm works for me.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> doesn' t really seem like a good idea to get it yet
[19:11] <yofel> SeveredCross: which gdm version?
[19:11] <SeveredCross> 2.26.1-0ubuntu2.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> What ever the 1600 UTC update was
[19:12] <SeveredCross> I had to reboot, but it works.
[19:12] <yofel> SeveredCross: the newest is ubuntu3
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I think 2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[19:12] <SeveredCross> Huh, I guess I haven't gotten it yet.
[19:12] <SeveredCross> An apt-get upgrade shows nothing.
[19:12] <SeveredCross> Dist-upgrade same.
[19:12] <SeveredCross> And I just refreshed the repos.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> just came out 4 hours agao
[19:12] <yofel> but you need to switch to ttyX to upgrade it
[19:12] <yofel> or your system will be crap
[19:12] <charlie-tca> yeah, did that. Followed the message all the way, and gdm would not restart anyway
[19:13] <yofel> hm, well, I'll try it now as well, wish me luck!
[19:13] <charlie-tca> ah, well. I fresh install again is probably good :-)
[19:13] <charlie-tca> s/I/A
[19:14] <Twigathy> hm, well using update-manager gdm nuked itself. So I switched to a vt, ran dpkg --configure -a, then apt-get upgrade and all was well :)
[19:15] <hggdh> Twigathy, yes, known, solved with gdm-2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Yeah, ran mine in tty1
[19:16]  * hggdh was the first to be hit by this, last week
[19:17] <Twigathy> I hit it too, but it saved my session and restarted gdm rather than killing the session
[19:17] <Twigathy> This is a second gdm update with weird killyness :)
[19:20] <hggdh> yes, the first two updates to 2.26.1 had this issue; it did not affect everybody, though. This was fixed today, with 0ubuntu3 (still one issue remaining)
[19:20] <yofel> so, gdm back up after I started it manually :)
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I must be just lucky? ;-)
[19:30] <yofel> hm... what the hell is gdm-simple-greeter?
[19:30] <yofel> and who's idea was it to make apport pop up a minute after login...
[19:31] <hggdh> yofel, g-s-g is the one reamining issue, and what about  apport?
[19:32] <yofel> hggdh: apport just pops up a minute after minute and steals the keyboard while I'm typing in irssi -> 1) very annoying 2) Since I'm typing on the keyboard I don't know what will happen
[19:33] <yofel> s/minute after minute/minute after login
[19:33] <hggdh> yofel, announcing crashes?
[19:34] <yofel> hggdh: how about popping up in the notification area?
[19:34] <hggdh> yofel, I think it might be a good idea, but -- is apport announcing crashes?
[19:35] <yofel> (and no, I don't want to continue the discussion about update-notifier)
[19:35] <yofel> hggdh: yes
[19:35] <yofel> I don't neccessary have something against popping up, but it should NOT steal my keyboard
[19:37] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: sry was afk just had one question about the plasma-widget-network-manager the version form svn that is in jaunty was it patched or something to fix wpa connection issues
[19:37] <hggdh> yofel, this is a good bug to report
[19:39] <DanaG> odd... that fix for mute LED doesn't apply to my card.
[19:39] <yofel> will do that then
[19:39] <DanaG> Oh, and it only works one way: software toggles LED, but pushing button does not toggle software state!
[19:39] <hggdh> thanks. I agree with you. I do not like keyboard stealing
[19:41] <DanaG> http://forum.soft32.com/linux/31-rc1-iwlagn-4965-wireless-due-RFKILL-problem-ftopict487802.html
[19:50] <DanaG>     	https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515266
[19:50] <DanaG> NotPermitted... damnit.
[19:51] <robin0800> the update to <IP_ADDRESS> seems to have fixed my compiz problem
[19:54] <billybigrig> anyone have a working webcam with 2.6.31?
[20:02] <bmunger> I have a Dell Latitude D600 system which is a Pentium M 1.7GHz with 1GB ram and Intel graphics.. it sure does drag in Kubuntu Karmic.  Even with compositing turned off it runs poorly.  Does anyone have any performance suggestions?
[20:47] <billybigrig> should be enough to run karmic and compiz
[20:47] <billybigrig> i don't use intel though, so i don't know
[20:48] <billybigrig> what video driver are you using?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> billybigrig ??
[20:49] <bmunger> billybigrig, probably i915 if i had to guess, how do i tell?
[20:50] <reto`> bmunger: you might try the xcfe desktop. but for me ubuntu (GNOME) is running quite fast on a netbook hp mini 1.6ghz 2gb ram...
[20:51] <billybigrig> BluesKaj: ?
[20:51] <billybigrig> bmunger: lspci
[20:51] <billybigrig> lspci
[20:51] <billybigrig> err lspci | grep Intel
[20:52] <BluesKaj> nm billybigrig , just wondered where the question came from :)
[20:52] <yofel> more like: lspci | grep VGA
[20:52] <billybigrig> haha im having a mental block today i think
[20:52] <billybigrig> yofel: haha thanks
[20:52] <yofel> :P
[20:54] <BluesKaj> or , lspci | grep -i vga
[21:06] <bmunger> yofel: whoops, I was wrong, its ATI RV250
[21:06] <bmunger> which should run better than Intel right?
[21:07] <bmunger> Mobility FireGL 9000
[21:07] <yofel> well... don't know much ati - i've got intel and nvidia
[21:07] <yofel> do you use the open source driver or fglrx?
[21:07] <bmunger> reto`: Yea I thought about using XFCE, but I was using this machine to demo KDE 4.3
[21:08] <bmunger> yofel: Probably open source, I didn't see it listed as needing a driver
[21:08] <bmunger> billybigrig, you have any idea either?
[21:09] <yofel> bmunger: what does 'glxinfo | grep render' give you?
[21:09] <kklimonda> hey, when I upgrade JJ to KK can I switch to grub2 completely?
[21:09] <yofel> kklimonda: yes
[21:10] <kklimonda> yofel: in semi-automatic way, without editing "weird" files?
[21:10] <yofel> kklimonda: use 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy'
[21:10] <bmunger> Mesa DRI R200
[21:11] <bmunger> wow says the module is missing, probably using vesa, just installed the xorg module for fglrx
[21:12] <kklimonda> yofel: thanks
[21:16] <bmunger> yofel: I installed the xorg fglrx module and restarted, now when it loads X it stays black and I cant switch to another terminal
[21:16] <Sarvatt> fglrx isnt working with 2.6.31 yet
[21:17] <bmunger> oh great, I just screwed myself then.
[21:17] <yofel> I guess X segfaulted. There should be an option to repair X in recovery mode
[21:17] <bmunger> alright
[21:17] <yofel> like I said, I don't know much about atk
[21:17] <Sarvatt> do you have 2.6.30-10 to fall back to?
[21:17] <bmunger> yea I think so
[21:17] <yofel> *ati
[21:17] <Sarvatt> best to stick with that for now
[21:18] <bmunger> sounds good I will give that a shot
[21:18] <bmunger> 30-8 is last I have
[21:18] <bmunger> should work
[21:19] <Sarvatt> wait R200, fglrx doesnt even support that
[21:19] <Sarvatt> sorry, should have read the whole chat log
[21:19] <bmunger> oh
[21:19] <Sarvatt> fglrx only supports R600+ now
[21:19] <bmunger> probably why that kernel doesnt help
[21:20] <Sarvatt> what kernel were you on?
[21:20] <bmunger> newest
[21:20] <bmunger> 31.2 i think
[21:20] <Sarvatt> 2.6.31-1 had radeon KMS enabled by default which doesnt have dri support in karmic yet
[21:20] <Sarvatt> so you'd want to boot with radeon.modeset=0 added to grub
[21:21] <Sarvatt> that should be fixed and you should have dri support in 2.6.31-2 but it might not be, i would add it just incase
[21:21] <bmunger> would that help with performance
[21:22] <Sarvatt> you can add it to /etc/default/grub
[21:22] <Sarvatt> in the part that says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="something"
[21:22] <Sarvatt> just add radeon.modeset=0 to the end of it, then run sudo update-grub2 afterwards
[21:22] <Sarvatt> yeah it'll help performance ALOT
[21:23] <bmunger> removing fglrx first
[21:23] <Sarvatt> yep
[21:24] <Sarvatt> can just remove xorg.conf entirely, shouldnt need one anymore
[21:24] <Sarvatt> you'd want to uninstall fglrx from your system though
[21:28] <bmunger> Ok made the changes, rebooting
[21:29] <bmunger> it says unknown option about the modeset
[21:30] <Sarvatt> yeah thats normal, it still works
[21:30] <bmunger> ok
[21:31] <bmunger> performance is still the same
[21:31] <Sarvatt> upload a dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin?
[21:31] <dupondje> lotsa new updates today :)
[21:33] <bmunger> Sarvatt: dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211517/
[21:34] <Sarvatt> dmesg looks fine
[21:34] <bmunger> Sarvatt: Xorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211519/
[21:38] <Sarvatt> that looks fine too, its most likely just that the card is slow and thats the best performance you can hope to get on it right now
[21:38] <Sarvatt> one last thing, can you do a cat /proc/mtrr and pastebin that?
[21:38] <bmunger> ok
[21:39] <bmunger> Sarvatt: mtrr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211523/
[21:40] <bmunger> I know about the mtrr issue with jaunty intel
[21:40] <Sarvatt> yep the performance is as good as you can get right now :(
[21:40] <bmunger> doesn't seem to be the same here
[21:40] <bmunger> dang
[21:40] <bmunger> it's not so nice
[21:40] <Sarvatt> are you sure it isnt any better? it should have been really messed up on 2.6.31-1
[21:40] <bmunger> I was showing it off and it just ran like crap
[21:41] <Sarvatt> does glxinfo say its using R200 or software rasterizer?
[21:41] <bmunger> well when I installed it from alpha 2, I went directly to the terminal, bypassing X, then updated and rebooted
[21:42] <bmunger> says direct rendering
[21:42] <bmunger> if thats what you mean
[21:42] <Sarvatt> the opengl renderer string
[21:43] <Sarvatt> you can have direct rendering with software rasterizer
[21:43] <Sarvatt> what you may want to do is install driconf and lower the options so its faster
[21:43] <Turl> hi, any special channel for networking/ufw support?
[21:44] <bmunger> Mesa DRI R200 AGP 4x
[21:44] <Sarvatt> set it to never sync to vblank, lower it to 16 bit depth in there
[21:44] <Sarvatt> and maybe change the TCL to prefer hardware first
[21:48] <iPoRn> any of you, have any problems trying to run "gnome-app-install" ?
[22:00] <hggdh> iPoRn, like?
[22:01] <cabrey> X seems to be crash happy. is this a known thing with UXA + intel driver?
[22:01] <cabrey> i've already submitted a few bugs for karmic, but I don't want flood launchpad...
[22:01] <iPoRn> i can't run it
[22:01] <iPoRn> it stops when finishes to read the sources.list
[22:02] <hggdh> hum. Better than what I just got -- a look on apport and g-a-i
[22:02] <hggdh> s/look/loop/
[22:02] <iPoRn> it loads all of the applications, and then it just stops with the "box" on the Sound & Video
[22:03] <hggdh> iPoRn, this is a different issue from mine. Are you up-to-date on karmic?
[22:03] <iPoRn> yes
[22:03] <iPoRn> but, i have this problem for near a month or so...
[22:04] <hggdh> perhaps time to report it?
[22:07]  * hggdh just reported mine
[22:08] <iPoRn> wasnt the command on bash: bug application ?
[22:10] <iPoRn> forget it ;x
[22:16] <Shane_Fagan> Hey im having a little problem. I was installing updates to the kernel and ubuntu went to the login screen for some reason and now I cant install the update.
[22:17] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, on karmic?
[22:17] <Shane_Fagan> Yep
[22:18] <Shane_Fagan> Ill pastebin the error im getting
[22:18] <hggdh> probably the gdm update -- 2.26.1 had an issue (solved on -0ubuntu3) where it unilaterally closed or opened a *new* gdm session
[22:18] <Shane_Fagan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211534/
[22:19] <Shane_Fagan> Oh but it broke updates to the kernel
[22:19] <Shane_Fagan> So how would I be able to fix that
[22:19] <hggdh> hold on, let me see the pastebin
[22:19] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, kernel 2.27 is *not* karmic
[22:19] <hggdh> 2.6.27, I mean
[22:19] <Shane_Fagan> I am on karmic
[22:20] <billybigrig> iPoRn: ubuntu-bug APPNAME
[22:20] <Shane_Fagan> That was just an old one I think that wasnt removed
[22:21] <iPoRn> allready submited the bug
[22:21] <Shane_Fagan> current kernel on my system is 2.6.31-1 generic
[22:21] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, what do you have on /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf?
[22:21] <rww> Shane_Fagan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-July/000586.html was posted to ubuntu-devel-announce today. If you're using karmic, you really should be subscribed to that list.
[22:22] <hggdh> so far it does not sound like a critical issue, Shane_Fagan. What happens after this error?
[22:22] <Shane_Fagan> I am on that list
[22:23] <Shane_Fagan> Nothing I think it already removed it
[22:23] <charlie-tca__> hggdh: I have to say if a person is running Xubuntu karmic, that gdm upgrade will cause the xserver not to start
[22:23] <Shane_Fagan> It says its not there in the error
[22:23] <rww> sudo touch /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile/
[22:23] <rww> sorry, mkdir, not touch
[22:23] <Shane_Fagan> Hmmm ill restart and see if that fixes it
[22:24] <hggdh> charlie-tca__, that's even worse than I thought, then...
[22:24] <charlie-tca__> seems to be an issue with the xubuntu gdm screen and the upgrade
[22:24] <hggdh> a reboot resolves it?
[22:25] <charlie-tca__> two fresh installs later, no reboot fixes it
[22:25] <hggdh> ugh!
[22:25] <charlie-tca__> The only fix I got is not to install gdm 2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[22:25] <Shane_Fagan> rww: That didnt work
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> At least it seems to limited to Xubuntu
[22:26] <Shane_Fagan> Hmm brb just going to try restarting
[22:26] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, do you still have 2.6.27 installed?
[22:27] <billybigrig> charlie-tca__: who said not to install 0ubuntu3?
[22:27] <charlie-tca__> I did, If you are running Xubuntu
[22:27] <charlie-tca__> I did two fresh installs before I figured it out
[22:28] <hggdh> charlie-tca__, I have xfce and gnome; I was able to restart nicely on gnome. I will try xfce now
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> You are using the gnome gdm screen then
[22:28] <hggdh> and you?
[22:28] <hggdh> oh
[22:28] <hggdh> of cource
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> Xubuntu gdm screen
[22:28] <hggdh> course
[22:30] <shane_fagan> Ok no luck the restart didnt fix the problem
[22:30] <hggdh> shane_fagan, per the pastebin, your issue seems to be related to the initramfs config file
[22:30] <shane_fagan> Sure
[22:31] <hggdh> so. What do you have there?
[22:32] <shane_fagan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211541/
[22:33] <hggdh> shane_fagan, this is *not* what should be there!
[22:33] <hggdh> this seems like a partial sources.list
[22:33] <shane_fagan> Hmmm i didnt change anything
[22:33] <shane_fagan> Pastebin yours so i can have a look
[22:33] <robin0800> bmunger just looked at your X org log both pageflip and backing store are disabled try enabling them
[22:33] <hggdh> what version of initramfs-tools are you running?
[22:34] <shane_fagan> The update of that failed
[22:35] <hggdh> shane_fagan, http://pastebin.ca/1486141
[22:35] <hggdh> that's bizarre...
[22:37] <shane_fagan> If I add that on to my one do you think it will work?
[22:38] <hggdh> it is a good chance. I wonder what else may be hosed, though
[22:39] <shane_fagan> Nope still errors
[22:39] <shane_fagan> Hmmm the linux kernel update too isnt right
[22:39] <shane_fagan> it should be 2.6.31-2 generic
[22:40] <shane_fagan> im on -1
[22:40] <robin0800> shane_fagan that ones got a few bugs
[22:41] <shane_fagan> Yep
[22:41] <shane_fagan> Ill file a bug I think and see if a kernel developer can help
[22:42] <robin0800> shane_fagan can't you upgrade to 2
[22:42] <shane_fagan> No the gdm update made that update fail
[22:43] <hggdh> shane_fagan, the error on initramfs does not seem to be related
[22:44] <shane_fagan> I know but when gdm logged me out it broke the 2.6.31-2-generic update
[22:45] <shane_fagan> Because it was halfway through the install of the linux update when gdm logged me out
[22:45] <robin0800> shane_fagan you could try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:45] <shane_fagan> Did that already didnt help
[22:46] <shane_fagan> Here is the output for sudo dpkg --configure -a   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211554/
[22:47] <robin0800> shane_fagan sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:48] <hggdh> shane_fagan, still the same error. Did you replace your /etc/initramfs/update-initramfs.conf?
[22:48] <shane_fagan> robin0800: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211556/
[22:49] <shane_fagan> hggdh: No i didnt
[22:49] <hggdh> you will not be able to install the kernel until you do so. Your version is hosed, absolutely
[22:49] <kklimonda> erm, is it possible to set a font in evolution? o.O
[22:49] <hggdh> kklimonda, yes
[22:49] <hggdh> (or should)
[22:50] <kklimonda> hggdh: for email subjects too?
[22:50] <hggdh> ah
[22:50] <hggdh> not sure, give me a sec
[22:51] <kklimonda> the one that is default looks kinda like... poo ;)
[22:51] <hggdh> kklimonda, no, the only changes are in Edit/Preferences/Mail Prefs/General
[22:52] <hggdh> you cannot set the subject's font by itself
[22:52] <kklimonda> hggdh: I can't set it at all :/
[22:52] <casinaroyale> I just did an update and I get an error saying "The configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager  have not been installed correctly. Contact system administrator"
[22:52] <kklimonda> btw, will KK get virtualbox 3.0?
[22:53] <kklimonda> casinaroyale: i love those "contact sysadmin" messagess
[22:53] <casinaroyale> kklimonda: I only wish I could say that
[22:54] <hggdh> kklimonda, just checked on Evo, and even on gconf only these two fonts can be set
[22:54] <kklimonda> hggdh: good lord..
[22:54] <kklimonda> this default font is the ugliest font i've seen in my life o.O
[22:55] <hggdh> kklimonda, what happens on Edit/Prefs/Mail Prefs/General?
[22:55] <hggdh> (the default is Gnome's)
[22:55] <kklimonda> I have changed them both
[22:55] <kklimonda> it worked for messages
[22:55] <kklimonda> but not for subjects..
[22:56] <kklimonda> which is weird
[22:56] <hggdh> indeed
[22:56] <shane_fagan> hggdh: Give me your entire initramfs config file please
[22:57] <hggdh> shane_fagan, just the update-initramfs.conf -- see http://pastebin.ca/1486141
[22:57] <kklimonda> hggdh: it uses default fixed width font no matter what you set in Mail Prefs/General :/
[22:58] <hggdh> kklimonda, OK. I was trying on Evo git. Let me run evo 2.26
[22:58] <kklimonda> which would be fine.. but for some reason it doesn't use the font size that is set..
[22:59] <Q-FUNK> the 2.6.31 kernel oopses during bootup, near the end of the initrd loading. (both -1 and -2 oops).  how would I go about logging what happens to help the kernel team debug this?
[22:59] <hggdh> (and bllody evo git is barfing when I change the font :-(
[23:00] <kklimonda> hggdh: btw - do you know if evo devs are working on some major overhaul of gui? :/
[23:01] <hggdh> kklimonda, there is work in progress for taking out bonobo, and there is anjal -- an evolution for the netbook. But I am not aware of a gui overhaul
[23:02] <hggdh> *very* not cool. Now my Evo 2.26.3 crashed
[23:09] <Q-FUNK> ah, it seems that the last 2.6.30 works, so the regression must be since 2.6.31
[23:10] <hggdh> kklimonda, but I *did* change the fonts, and I did *not* see the changes
[23:11] <kklimonda> hggdh: I think you have to restart Evolution for changes to take the effect
[23:12] <hggdh> I did... will do it again, though (last one crashed)
[23:12] <kklimonda> hggdh: also as I said - the font used to display subjects in messages list can't be changed and the default one is used..
[23:12] <kklimonda> (the one set in gnome settings..)
[23:14] <hggdh> kklimonda, I confirm. Care to open a bug?
[23:15] <hggdh> but I wonder if this has been reported already... will look upstream
 b.g.o is slow, as usual...
[23:18] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[23:18] <hggdh> hey BUGabundo
[23:18] <BUGabundo> right as usual
[23:18] <BUGabundo> hggdh: preciso de falar ctg
[23:18] <hggdh> pvt?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> -pt
[23:19] <hggdh> k
[23:22] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[23:22] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[23:23] <BUGabundo> hey guys! missed you!
[23:23] <BUGabundo> very long day today :(
[23:31] <billybigrig> http://pastebin.com/f6696511a
[23:31] <billybigrig> someone want to look at the bottom, where there's the GSPCA error
[23:31] <billybigrig> thats when i fire up cheese, my webcam light goes on, but the cheese screen is all purple garbage
[23:32] <billybigrig> this has been going on ever since .31 for me and i can't figure out how to get it workign
[23:35] <BUGabundo> new kernel coming down the tubes?
[23:35] <billybigrig> yeah
[23:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigu need to talk to gspca mantainer
[23:35] <billybigrig> how do i find the maintainer?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> AFAIK most of them broke on .31
[23:35] <BUGabundo> mine too
[23:35] <billybigrig> yeah
[23:35] <billybigrig> .30 worked great
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I think he his known as maltoso
[23:36] <billybigrig> .28 didn't work at all in jaunty
[23:36] <yofel> BUGabundo: new gdm as well, updated already?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> I'll ask my webcm driver dev
[23:36] <billybigrig> i was surprised when it worked right away in karmic
[23:36] <BUGabundo> still in queue yofel
[23:36] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: read the devel-annouce email before upgrading gdm
[23:36] <BUGabundo> let me finish UM updates, and ill check aptitude
[23:36] <yofel> BUGabundo: read the mail from martin on devel-announce about gdm?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> billybigrig 300 emails before I get there :(
[23:36] <billybigrig> haha
[23:37] <billybigrig> logout and trop to tty from gdm
[23:37] <BUGabundo> please post a direct link
[23:37] <billybigrig> then apt-get update, check that your upgrading gdm to ubuntu3
[23:37] <billybigrig> k
[23:37] <billybigrig> theres on in the forums
[23:37] <billybigrig> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1205763
[23:39] <hggdh> BUGabundo, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-July/000586.html
[23:40] <BUGabundo> taking a kick look at my mail threads I don't see an email from martin :(
[23:43] <BUGabundo> goodie... shuter upgrade broken
[23:47] <BUGabundo> The following packages have been kept back:  gdm python-ubuntuone-client{a} ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client-gnome
[23:48] <BUGabundo> yofel: so I guess I still don't get the new GDM
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I better look at the reason behind this
[23:49] <yofel> hm, ubuntuone is held back here as well... but gdm shouldn't... unless you still have fast-user-switch-thing installed
[23:49] <billybigrig> check the version
[23:49] <billybigrig> gdm might still be ubuntu2
[23:49] <billybigrig> wait until it shows ubuntu3 and dist-upgrade
[23:50] <billybigrig> what repo are you using? might be slow in updating
[23:51] <yofel> ah, now ubuntuone is upgradable as well..
[23:53] <BUGabundo> ii  gdm                       2.20.10-0ubuntu5
[23:54] <billybigrig> hmm
[23:54] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.20.10-0ubuntu5
[23:54] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[23:54] <Sarvatt> someone needs to dist-upgrade :D
[23:54] <yofel> BUGabundo: got fast-user-switch still installed?
[23:54] <Sarvatt> (do it from a VT though)
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: been using aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:54] <BUGabundo> no package kept back before, for so long
[23:55] <BUGabundo> yofel: think so. I see it there
[23:55] <Sarvatt> safe-upgrade wont let it remove fast-user-switch-applet that it needs to remove to upgrade
[23:55] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[23:55] <BUGabundo> but it's the 1st time!
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I've seen it remove lots of other packages
[23:56] <Sarvatt> not packages that were pulled in by ubuntu-desktop
[23:56] <BUGabundo> The following packages have been kept back:
[23:56] <BUGabundo>   gdm python-ubuntuone-client{a} ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client-gnome
[23:56] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[23:56] <BUGabundo>   linux-headers-2.6.31-2{a} linux-headers-2.6.31-2-generic{a} linux-image-2.6.31-2-generic{a}
[23:56] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[23:56] <BUGabundo>   geoclue{u} geoclue-hostip{u} geoclue-localnet{u} geoclue-manual{u} libgeoclue0{u}
[23:56] <Sarvatt> those were from an empathy upgrade, nothing essential
[23:57]  * BUGabundo wonder why terminal-root opened on it self during an upgrade !!!
[23:57] <yofel> I personally never use safe-upgrade, I always start aptitude full - easier to resolve conflicts that way
[23:57] <BUGabundo> oh wait, it was terminator. wth
[23:57] <yofel> terminal-root o.O
[23:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: gnome-terminal as root, yes... but no it was terminator
[23:58] <BUGabundo> same read console icon :(
[23:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211581/ aptitude full is sooo not a good idea :|
[23:59] <Sarvatt> bugabundo thats normal and fine