[00:29] <Thr0r> I am ripping off all my old cd's and building a library and playlists. That work goes just fine using Asunder CD ripper witch I got a  tip to use here.. But I also have alot of .wma files and itunes .mp4 files on my old win7 HD and alot of them will not play in any of my players..  Audacious gives no error, just starts and stop, Parole says “GStreamer backend error (The stream is encrypted and decryption is not supported)”  - S
[00:29] <Thr0r> ome .wma files works just fine though.. Any point in trying to get them decrypted in some player?
[00:33] <M_aD> Thr0r: sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:34] <OvenWerks> Thr0r: I use the Moheli Theme which has even bigger grabbers (I think) I use the Numix style on top of that for a more obvious active window indication.
[00:34] <M_aD> with that you pull in the multimedia codecs you need to play other files 'n stuff
[00:35] <OvenWerks> That sounds right
[00:35]  * M_aD calls it a day
[00:35] <M_aD> chat later ;)
[00:35] <Thr0r> M_aD: ok - thanks
[00:35] <M_aD> yw
[00:36] <OvenWerks> .wma is a container as is mp4, it is the actual codec in side that matters.
[00:41] <Thr0r> OvenWerks: ok - I will try both the Theme and that from M_aD:  regarding the music - but I don't like to install everything without understanding what it is and that it is safe. But I have paid for all that music and I want it back..
[00:47] <Thr0r> Will this ubuntu-restricted-extras allow all my players to play these encrypted music? I read about it and I have no problem installing it - just don't know how to use it and how it works..?
[00:47] <Thr0r> btw -
[00:47] <Thr0r> i
[00:48] <Thr0r> Btw - iTunes is history now..
[00:51] <Thr0r> sorry about the latest posting - keyboard issue....
[00:57]  * OvenWerks has never used itunes
[01:04] <Thr0r> Well - I did the install "sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras" but it did not help. Don't know how to use it really - if it is a new program or not...
[01:05] <OvenWerks> not a new program, new codecs that other programs can use
[01:05] <OvenWerks> I don't know how to tell if they are working or not.
[01:06] <OvenWerks> using ffmpeg from the command line can pinpoint what codec the various parts of a file are encoded with though.
[01:07] <Thr0r> ok - I get the same error in parole when opening .vma's
[01:09] <OvenWerks> I have that as well as vcl and xine some things play on one but not others.
[01:12] <Thr0r> ok - maybe there is another # channel in here somewhere with experts on this topic. But I have some really nice music I've paid for that I would like to have..
[01:12] <OvenWerks> I understand that
[01:13] <OvenWerks> I use mecoder to transcode things to work with my DVD player which is quite picky
[01:14] <Thr0r> thanks for helping - now I will experiment with Themes and grabbing :)
[01:14] <OvenWerks> I have noticed that when it starts it gives a lot of information about the encoding used in the original.
[01:14] <OvenWerks> cool
[02:46] <Thr0r> It's often the small things... But I'd hate to think that the fact that I'm not able to grab frames of windows in order to resize them and arrange them without using a minute to do it would be the thing that led med to not using Linux. I have never had that problem in Windows - ever. Have tried different themes and all, doesn't help. (Didn't find Moheli Theme..).
[02:48] <OvenWerks> Thr0r: I am on 18.04, so maybe it has been dropped.
[02:48] <Thr0r> ok.. maybe
[02:49] <OvenWerks> I found it in settings->window manager->style->theme
[02:51] <OvenWerks> I have always found themes confusing, There is window manager theme, And there is settings-> appearance->style and icon themes
[02:55] <OvenWerks> some times the style makes no difference if the main theme does it all... also some of the gnome applications take over the window decorations with really (in my opinion) horible internal theming. The push has been towards a "phone like" experience (no thank you) so that people who have used a phone will feel at home. That is great for browsing with one window at full screen, but for some one
[02:56] <OvenWerks> doing work with as many as 10 windows per screen (and four work spoaces with as many windows each)...
[02:56] <OvenWerks> really, I need to know which window has focus and be able to move and resize easily.
[02:58] <OvenWerks> windowing originally started with all these features (see the original motif windows) where the window handles were all separated and plainly visible.
[02:58] <OvenWerks> and has gone to harder to use from there so it can be more like windows or mac.
[03:01] <Thr0r> I totally aggree! Much is going into getting it look fancyer....  But - Yess! Window manager > Style - I Find it and it's much better. There is even Greybird-accessibility, maybe that is where I am now at my age that I need that. Thanks!
[03:02] <Thr0r> ..and I'n not thaaaat old...
[03:03] <OvenWerks> I get to say I am in my 50s.... for one more year :P
[03:04] <Thr0r> I have 5 more 8-) oldie
[03:06] <Thr0r> Anyways thanks so much for help - It will help in my daily work trying to get the music to play..
[03:06] <OvenWerks> your welcome
[10:41] <M_aD> Well, i kinda explained what ubuntu-restricted-extras pulls in :)
[14:31] <studio-user014> #ubuntu-nevada
[14:31] <studio-user014> #ubuntu-nevada -help
[14:32] <Eickmeyer> studio-user014: Try using /join before that?
[14:33] <studio-user014> Thanks!
[14:34] <Eickmeyer> yw
[14:43] <studio-user014> Is there a man page or help for commands here? (Sorry. I'm new)
[14:46] <Eickmeyer> studio-user014: http://ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html turned up in a web search.
[14:46] <studio-user014> Thanks, again. I did a "man irc"
[14:47] <studio-user014>  But, it doesn't show command structure ("/")
[14:47] <Eickmeyer> It's not going to.
[14:49] <DPeer2000> Hmmm... I thought my "nick" was studio-user014
[14:49] <Mondo> test
[14:50] <Mondo> Hmmm... Nickserv says it's registered, but still lets me use it. Interesting
[14:50] <M_aD> since this isn't Ubuntu Studio related please /join #ubuntustudio-offtopic
[14:51] <Mondo> Sure thing.
[14:54] <Mondo> Nobody is awake at Ubuntu-Nevada. Could you help with a sound problem in Studio, Eickmeyer?
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: What's up?
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> M_aD could possibly help too.
[14:56] <M_aD> depends
[14:56] <Mondo> I did something to my Ubuntu Studio and killed the sound
[14:56] <Mondo> No sound from Rythmbox, browser, etc... :(
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> Well, what did you do?
[14:56] <Mondo> Yesterday I added Clam and it found a couple of files in an old folder that I quarantined. Autoscan last night found nothing.
[14:56] <Mondo> \This morning I added KeePassXC just before I noticed the lack of sound.
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> Hmmm...
[14:57] <Eickmeyer> !sound | Mondo, try these steps before we delve deeper
[14:59] <Mondo> Thank you. I'll go through all that
[16:37] <Mondo> OK. So, I did some troubleshooting as suggested on the SoundTroubleshooting page and even aplay doesn't work. However, the top of the page says, "As of 2012, much of the information on this page is outdated. Please refer to the official sound debugging guide" so I'm not sure it works like it's supposed to in Studio. I went to the referenced Ubuntu\Support page. But, it's just several screens of advertising. No joy, yet.
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: Try opening Ubuntu Studio Controls and click "Stop Jack". That should get things back to normal if you have started Jack for whatever reason.
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> You /may/ have to restart whatever applications you have running that play sound.
[16:43] <Mondo> Nothing. I rebooted earlier. Should I reboot again, after stopping Jack?'
[16:44] <Eickmeyer> Shouldn't need to.
[16:45] <Mondo> QasMixer says it
[16:45] <Mondo> 's 100%
[16:45] <Eickmeyer> Open pavucontrol and see what's going on there.
[16:45] <Mondo> Control settings are at 100
[16:45] <Eickmeyer> But what is the audio card selected?
[16:45] <Mondo> PS: no sound through headphones, either
[16:46] <Eickmeyer> If it says "dummy" then that helps us know what's going on.
[16:47] <Mondo> I aplay -l shows the following:
[16:47] <Mondo> As of 2012, much of the information on this page is outdated. Please refer to the official sound debugging guide
[16:47] <Mondo> Damn... can't paste that here?
[16:47] <Eickmeyer> !paste
[16:49] <Mondo> I pasted into paste.ubuntu.com
[16:49] <Mondo> Can you see it?
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> Paste the link here.
[16:49] <Mondo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ytK6n6nvd9/
[16:50] <Eickmeyer> Ok, alsa looks fine. Try typing "pulseaudio -k" in a terminal.
[16:52] <Mondo> as root?
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> No. Never as root.
[16:52] <Mondo> OK. Troubleshooting page said one test didn't work unless root.
[16:52] <Mondo> exiting root now
[16:53] <Mondo> That didn't give any results. Still no sound.
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> Open pavucontrol.
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> Make sure it's sending audio to the correct output.
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> In this case, your analog output.
[16:56] <Mondo> Output device is Port: Analog Output and Port Speakers
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> Ok. What are you using to test audio?
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> What application?
[16:57] <Mondo> RhythmBox
[16:57] <Mondo> youTube
[16:57] <Mondo> The center test in terminal
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> Ok, let's not do anything browser-based. Restart rhythmbox and try playing something again.
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Reason: You have to fully restart anything that plays audio (including browsers) to test the audio from that application. But, I know you're connected to IRC via web, so that would defeat the purpose.
[16:58] <Mondo> It's playing. No sound. BTW, when I plug the headphones the PAVcontrol acks
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> Try rebooting. I'm out of ideas.
[16:59] <Mondo> Studio doesn't seem to have an IRC program. Did I miss it?
[17:00] <Mondo> Rebooting now
[17:02] <Mondo_> Back now
[17:02] <Mondo_> What was the terminal command for center test?
[17:03] <Eickmeyer> I don't know that.
[17:03] <Eickmeyer> Try rhythmbox.
[17:03] <Mondo_> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[17:05] <Mondo_> hello? I didn't quit... :(
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> No, your old browser session timed-out.
[17:06] <Mondo_> OK
[17:06] <Mondo_> RhythmBox no joy; VLC also no joy
[17:07] <Mondo_> Looks like I'll have to wipe/rebuild?
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> Normally, there's no reason.
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> Which version of Ubuntu Studio are you using, and have you added any extra repositories?
[17:07] <Mondo_> "Normally", unless you're a noob!
[17:08] <Mondo_> 18.04 with back ports
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> Ok, good.
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> No KXStudio?
[17:08] <Mondo_> No
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> Good.
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> I'm kindof at a loss. I was hoping OvenWerks was here since he has a few more tricks up his sleeve than I do.
[17:08] <Mondo_> I tried KX and AV. Couldn't get either to configure well.
[17:09] <Mondo_> OK. Thanks for all your help
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> Try #ubuntu
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> "/join #ubuntu"
[17:09] <Mondo_> I'll check back later and look for OvenWorks
[17:09] <Mondo_> OK
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> There's people active in #ubuntu now.
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> !kxstudio | Mondo_, here's our policy on KXStudio
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Just FYI.
[17:10] <Mondo_> #ubuntu is VERY busy right now
[17:10] <Mondo_> I can't get it
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Mondo_: Just post your question, and explain you did the steps in !sound.
[17:11] <Mondo_> Yes, Eickmeyer, I saw that when I d/l
[17:11] <Mondo_> OK
[17:11] <Mondo_> What's "!sound"?
[17:11] <Mondo_> man page?
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> That's the ! command I used to show you the initial troubleshooting steps.
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> !sound
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> Mondo_: is it not letting you join?
[17:12] <Mondo_> Ah! Koolio. Thanks, again!
[17:12] <Mondo_> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-unregged] You have been redirected to a notice-only channel
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, you might need to register.
[17:12] <DirtyEar> Hi everybody. I want to run the "X Air Edit" software to use the Behrniger XR18. I cannot conect the Behringer with my PC. Do you have any idea of how can I Fixed it?. Thanks for any help!
[17:13] <Eickmeyer> !register
[17:13] <Mondo_> lot of join attempts right now
[17:13] <Mondo_> OK. Trying freenode
[17:13] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: I've only been able to get that to work via network.
[17:14] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer thanks to answer!. I have connected the behrnigher withe the ethernet cable
[17:14] <Mondo_> I have a Behringer Xenyx X1832 that I'm hoping to be able to use
[17:14] <DirtyEar> The "program" opens but never shows me ip or something
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> Mondo_: I have a Behringer UMC404HD that works perfectly. Tell me how the X1832 works for you. That should work via Jack.
[17:15] <DirtyEar> I had an UMC404HD and works perfectly!
[17:15] <Mondo_> once I get things running I'll let you know
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: You might have to manually enter the IP. You said it's an XAIR 18?
[17:15] <DirtyEar> Now I have the behringer XR18 and it sounds and everything, but the software X AIR EDIT does not run
[17:15] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer
[17:16] <DirtyEar> If you could help to do it, I will do! thanks bro!
[17:16] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: I find it odd that it doesn't run. I never had an issue. Did you try running it from a terminal and see what it says?
[17:17]  * Eickmeyer has used X32s via the X Edit app
[17:17] <DirtyEar> No. I just double click the file I downloaded from the Behringer webpage
[17:18] <Eickmeyer> Right. Try right-clicking the folder it's in, click "Open Terminal" and type the name of the app.
[17:18]  * Eickmeyer is on the wrong computer right now, might have to switch
[17:20] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer, thanks!
[17:20] <DirtyEar> I did waht you said, it shows me, orden does not found (but in spanish)
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: I'm going to give it a shot. Hang on.
[17:23]  * Eickmeyer is on the right computer now
[17:23]  * Eickmeyer is running 19.04
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: I just tried it and had no issues. I'm running v1.5 64-bit.
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, I don't have an X-AIR to test it on.
[17:27]  * Eickmeyer would love to have one!
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> d'oh
[17:56] <DirtyEar> Hi. Excuse me I lost eh internet connection
[18:00] <DirtyEar> I tried to run in console
[18:00] <DirtyEar> Shows me. X-AIR-Edit: does not found the order
[18:04] <DirtyEar> Some other idea?
[18:05] <DirtyEar> How can I connect the XR18 manually?
[18:54] <DirtyEar> Hi. Excuse me I lost the connection again
[18:55] <DirtyEar> Some idea about how to connect manually the Behringer XR18?
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: You were having difficulty even getting the app to run last we were able to communicate.
[19:04] <DirtyEar> Hi Eickmeyer, thanks a lot bro.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> I just tried it and had no issues getting it to launch.
[19:04] <DirtyEar> I have the app working, it's running but it does not recognize the mixer
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Connected via USB or network?
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> The only way I've ever been able to get the X32-Edit app to work is via network.
[19:05] <DirtyEar> I tried in windows 10 and the mixer sohws automatically. But in ubuntuStudio does not show me anything
[19:05] <DirtyEar> Network connection
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> Did you click on "Setup" and try to auto scan?
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> "rescan" in setup
[19:06] <DirtyEar> I am listening to music right now
[19:06] <DirtyEar> Ok
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> Moreover, I'm talking about inside the X-Air app.
[19:07] <DirtyEar> I click on setuo
[19:07] <DirtyEar> then click on rescan but it does not show me any adress or mixer
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> (BTW, this goes outside of the scope of Ubuntu Studio, so this is help as a courtesy since I'm familiar with the app)
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Are you connected to the mixer via its access point or is it connected to your wifi?
[19:09] <DirtyEar> Excuse me about that. May you give me the correct "room" or something. ANd once again thank you for your help. I really apreciatte it
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> The only real help you're going to get is from Behringer since it's their app, but I'll help as far as I know how.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Basically, this isn't Ubuntu Studio's fault if it doesn't work.
[19:09] <DirtyEar> I use the Ethernet option and conect directly th mixer with the pc through LAN wire or cable
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> Ok, do you know the X-Air's IP address?
[19:31] <DirtyEar> Bro excuse me once again the internet
[19:31] <DirtyEar> Really sorry
[19:31] <DirtyEar> 14:10:19) Eickmeyer: Ok, do you know the X-Air's IP address?
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Still here.
[19:32] <DirtyEar> I supose <IP_ADDRESS>, is it?
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Probably, try it. Assuming it's in access point mode.
[19:34] <DirtyEar> How can I now the IP?
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Well, the other thing is that your computer can't be connected to any other networks, at least from what I can ascertain. https://behringerwiki.musictribe.com/index.php?title=4._Network_Connection
[19:35] <DirtyEar> Do I have to put in acces point and try to enter with my cellphone?
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> That I don't know. I'm just familiar with the app, but never operated an XR18 myself. I'm more of an X32 guy.
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> What I just linked there has just about everything you can know about how to connect.
[19:37] <DirtyEar> I like the x32 but I just had money to the XR18, but of course I still working to save money for the X32
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> Right, I don't blame you. I wish I had an XR18 myself. I used to operate X32s nearly daily.
[19:37] <DirtyEar> Yes, I see some "tips" to wok with the mixer
[19:38] <DirtyEar> I see. You have the oportunity to play with X32 almost every day
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> Used to, until mid-December.
[19:38] <DirtyEar> I just used it 2 times and it is very great!
[19:39] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer, new things comes every day!
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Yep!
[19:40] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer I will try waht the link said. If i have some issue, is it right if I post here what I get?
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> You can, but I can't guarantee I can help you since I have nothing to test on.
[19:43] <DirtyEar> Do not worry about it, I am very grateful for your help. Thanks a lot Eickmeyer!
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> Quite welcome. :)
[19:44] <DirtyEar> Great!
[22:20] <studio-user952> Are you still on, Eickmeyer?
[22:21] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: My time is limited. What's up?
[22:21] <Mondo> Just wanted you to know that my no sound issue is only in Studio. Works fine in Mont.
[22:21] <Mondo> *Mint
[22:22] <Mondo> You go. I'll check in tomorrow and maybe someone else has some ideas...
[22:23] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: I'd still check in #ubuntu if I were you. Ubuntu Studio /is/ Ubuntu.
[22:23] <Eickmeyer> Aside from Jack and installed software, there's no real difference.
[22:24] <Mondo> Yes. I couldn't get in there today. I'll try them first in the morning.
[22:24] <Mondo> Thanks, again, for all your help! :)
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome.
[23:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: sorry I was away... but "Home directory not accessible: Permission denied" sounds like someone is trying to run something as sudo or su something. Certainly a permitions problem.
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: we already determined he was in root mode. Didn't matter what he tried, though.
[23:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: once you start jack in root (or some other direct to alsa application) the device is locked period.
[23:55] <OvenWerks> need to reboot at the very least
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha. Sounds like he followed an instruction in the wiki incorrectly.
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> He did reboot, but couldn't get anything working.
[23:55] <OvenWerks> anything in audio does not need nor should ever use root.
[23:55] <OvenWerks> audio is always userland
[23:56] <Eickmeyer> Right, that's one reason I said "never as root".
[23:56] <OvenWerks> The secret command is: cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[23:56] <OvenWerks> (all one line
[23:57] <OvenWerks> and paste the output
[23:58] <OvenWerks> It (just like aplay/record -l) displays all the devices but it also shows what process is using the device and who the user is.
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> If we were to make that a ! command, what would we call it?
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> I mean, for the channel here.
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> Seems extremely useful and something I'd forget easily.
[23:59]  * OvenWerks has a file with just that command line in ~/Documents/Audio/ :)


[05:50] <pitti> Good morning
[06:04] <tjaalton> Laney: hey, devede needs a merge & rebuild (transition to libpostproc52). the diff should probably be pushed to debian too?
[07:20] <cyphermox> good morning pitti, didrocks
[07:20] <pitti> bonjour cyphermox, ça va ?
[07:20] <cyphermox> pitti: bien sur, et toi?
[07:21] <didrocks> hey cyphermox! pitti :)
[07:21] <pitti> cyphermox: je vais bien aussi
[07:24] <cyphermox> super!
[07:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: thanks for the ofono* update ;)
[07:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: I copied your info in the general pending list, can you make (tomorrow) bfiller and others aware of no ofono-qt release?
[07:26] <cyphermox> yup
[07:27] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[07:32] <cyphermox> getting tired now :)
[07:35] <didrocks> getting late I guess, you should go to bed :)
[07:47] <sil2100> Good morning!
[07:49] <didrocks> hey sil2100, welcome back!
[07:49] <didrocks> how were your holidays?
[07:51] <sil2100> didrocks: hello! In overall good, although there were some minor problems here and there - but in overall I think I'm more or less rested :)
[07:51] <sil2100> didrocks: how were yours?
[07:51] <didrocks> sil2100: quite unexisting, just some good rest ;)
[07:52] <didrocks> unexciting*
[07:52] <didrocks> I'll let you backlog on some emails and will catch up with you after our meeting!
[07:52] <sil2100> Sure ;)
[09:07] <Laney> tjaalton: https://github.com/rastersoft/Devede/pull/22
[09:07] <Laney> do you want to work on the merge?
[09:07] <Laney> also, hi all happy friday!
[09:09] <tjaalton> Laney: ahh, cool
[09:10] <tjaalton> oh it went upstream, but not to debian yet
[09:10] <tjaalton> Laney: looks like grab-merge did mostly the right thing so it should be easy
[09:12] <Laney> cool
[09:12] <Laney> feel free to forward the diff to Debian if it looks like upstream won't take it
[09:12] <Laney> I'd probably change it to git format-patch patches so it's clear that they are now cherry-picks
[09:15] <seb128> good morning desktopers, happy friday!
[09:16] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:17] <Laney> first week of the year almost done!
[09:24] <seb128> oh yeah, first week, it feels like a while already ;-)
[09:25] <didrocks> hey seb128!
[09:25] <seb128> didrocks, lut, ça va ?
[09:25] <didrocks> happy Friday :)
[09:25] <didrocks> ça va :)
[09:25] <didrocks> et toi?
[09:25] <seb128> ça va bien ;-)
[09:26] <seb128> happy friday to you too !
[09:26] <didrocks> seb128: yesterday evening, I retried redeploying the juju magic and now I get: http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:27] <seb128> didrocks, so you got it hosted somewhere in the cloud?
[09:27] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but on my account, not a common one
[09:28] <didrocks> seb128: however, there is this no rsync issue (as it's not the final IP I guess)
[09:28] <didrocks> seb128: can you just try to log in with your sso cred?
[09:28] <didrocks> you should be able to do nothing but I want to see if I can give you some rights
[09:28] <seb128> didrocks, works ;-)
[09:29] <didrocks> seb128: but you can't build, right?
[09:30] <seb128> didrocks, build what job? e.g prepare-silo ?
[09:30] <didrocks> seb128: whichever :)
[09:30] <seb128> didrocks, I tried to prepare-silo, got http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/prepare-silo/4/console
[09:30] <didrocks> I guess you don't have access to "build"
[09:30] <didrocks> ah you do :)
[09:30] <seb128> yes, the button is there/working
[09:30] <didrocks> ok, so it seems there is no cred at all :p
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, what do you think about going on with bug #1265457 ?
[09:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1265457 in cogl (Ubuntu) "merge cogl 1.16 from debian " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1265457
[09:34] <Laney> seb128: umm I don't have any objection in theory but I don't know about this case in particular
[09:35] <seb128> darkxst, hey, did you try rebuilding all cogl rdepends, do they build without error? can you handle the universe rebuild if we start that transition?
[09:39] <seb128> Laney, darkxst: I've commented on the bug asking some questions
[09:40] <Mirv> seb128: hi, I'd like to double check that properties-cpp (in NEW queue) was I think preNEWed by you? the Christmas just has made me forget, but I remember you had some small polishing suggestions (removing license statements from build files) and those were done.
[09:41] <seb128> Mirv, I've no idea, it's like a month old
[09:41] <darkxst> hi seb128
[09:41] <Mirv> seb128: ah, you approved it actually https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/properties-cpp/remove-license-statement-in-build-files/+merge/198927 :)
[09:41] <Mirv> so I think that was the story
[09:41] <darkxst> yes I rebuilt all rdepends, apart from ppa builders being spastic, there were no errors
[09:42] <seb128> Mirv, IRC logs seem to suggest I reviewed it
[09:42] <seb128> Mirv, right
[09:42] <Mirv> didrocks: IRC logs + that commit merge suggest seb128 reviewed it ^ :)
[09:43] <Mirv> damn Christmas holidays, we should just stop having any holidays
[09:44] <seb128> lol, speak for yourself ;-)
[09:46] <didrocks> great!
[09:46] <didrocks> clicking buttons :p
[09:47] <didrocks> Mirv: can you update the spreadsheet, please?
[09:47] <didrocks> oupsss, wrong button
[09:48]  * didrocks needs holidays
[09:48]  * didrocks refile a sync
[09:48] <seb128> lol
[09:48] <seb128> Laney, were is your ubuntu codesearch again? ;-)
[09:49] <Mirv> heh
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: http://ubuntu-codesearch.surgut.co.uk/ ?
[09:50] <pitti> Laney: ^ oh, is that your's? Many thanks!
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, thanks, last time I used it it didn't have a name but just an ip iirc
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, hey, how are you? happy friday!
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: and to you!
[09:52] <Laney> yeah, xnox set up dns for it
[09:53] <Laney> I ought to do the charm thing and set it up properly
[09:54] <Laney> sometimes updates randomly break everything
[09:54] <xnox> yeah, i got sick of not remembering the IP thus I've slapped my DNS on to it =)
[09:55] <xnox> Laney: i hope you did use a floating / static IP, such that i don't have to update my zones file too often =)
[09:55] <Laney> I don't know how to use any other kind of IP
[09:56] <xnox> =)
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-adt-glib2.0/45/ARCH=i386,label=adt/consoleFull
[10:01] <pitti> /gdbus/bus-watch-name:
[10:01] <pitti> (/usr/lib/glib2.0/installed-tests/glib/gdbus-names:12401): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is closed
[10:02] <pitti> Test glib/gdbus-names.test failed: Child process killed by signal 5
[10:02] <Laney> yeah
[10:02] <pitti> Laney: is that worth trying again?
[10:02] <Laney> it got dodgy lately
[10:02] <pitti> i. e. race condition or regression?
[10:02] <Laney> both
[10:02] <Laney> desrt was looking at it a bit yesterday
[10:02] <Laney> I'm actually filing a bug about it right now
[10:02] <Laney> because it started to make the package ftbfs too
[10:03] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.39.2-0ubuntu2 built on the main arches, though
[10:03] <pitti> or was that only after 5 retries? :-)
[10:03] <xnox> Laney: i wonder if we should play with "packages" & codesearch a game similar to: http://regex.alf.nu/
[10:03] <Laney> i386/amd64 went in first time
[10:03] <Laney> the others got retried
[10:04] <darkxst> Laney or seb128, can you take a look at the gnome-themes-standard update in queue, this is needed to fix lots of theming issues under gnome-shell/gtk3.10
[10:04]  * pitti retries the autopkgtest then
[10:04] <Laney> pitti: check the history of the job
[10:05] <Laney> it was solid for a long time, then got flaky lately
[10:05] <Laney> I think with 2.39.2
[10:05] <Laney> but it could be something external that changed, of course
[10:06] <Laney> xnox: :D
[10:09] <seb128> darkxst, Laney: I'm looking at nautilus 3.10 first, I can try having a look to the theme later
[10:09] <seb128> darkxst, how come you don't have access to upload that one? (in what upload set are you btw?)
[10:10] <Laney> none!
[10:10] <seb128> not even MOTU?
[10:10] <seb128> you should apply for that ;-)
[10:23] <seb128> darkxst, the new nautilus' toolbar looks buggy
[10:26] <seb128> darkxst, http://ubuntuone.com/5CDyRasgb2yp3Ak9tRGNaX
[10:26] <seb128> the buttons are too small
[10:30] <seb128> larsu, I saw you landed your gedit fix for the sidepane color issue, should I try to backport the git commits?
[10:33] <darkxst> seb128, hmm, I tested it in Ambiance and it seemed identical to 3.8
[10:33] <seb128> darkxst, do you see the issue on my screenshot?
[10:34] <darkxst> no, I don't normally use ubuntu themes
[10:34] <seb128> darkxst, http://ubuntuone.com/5LF35MrCmwJbMOphrQz9qJ
[10:34] <seb128> that's with 3.8
[10:34] <seb128> see how the <> button have the same height than the breadcumb bar
[10:35] <seb128> e.g all the icons have the same height
[10:35] <seb128> in 3.10 the icons are smaller than the location bar
[10:35] <darkxst> yeh I see
[10:36] <darkxst> will look into it over the weekend
[10:36] <seb128> thanks
[10:36] <seb128> I'm going to run 3.10 over the w.e to see if I spot other issues
[10:38] <darkxst> ok
[11:04] <seb128> darkxst, other issue, the corners between the toolbar and the wm bar have some white pixels, seems it could be due to the "round corner" for the CSD?
[11:04] <seb128> http://ubuntuone.com/1QwHezAjewqTsD7QSfQjQN
[11:16] <darkxst> seb128, right that is probably a theme issue
[11:18] <darkxst> seb128, btw, I spoke with robert about bug 1228765
[11:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1228765 in Ubuntu GNOME "Need to implement DisplayConfig dbus interface within Unity" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228765
[11:18] <darkxst> I have ripped out the display config code and seems best to put it in a new package as a stand-alone dbus service
[11:19] <darkxst> seem reasonable?
[11:21] <larsu> seb128: hey, I just got up because I worked long last night (and didn't have breakfast yet)
[11:21] <larsu> seb128: I couldn't find the right gedit branch
[11:21] <larsu> lp:ubuntu/gedit seems outdated
[11:22] <larsu> beackporting would be great. The gedit patch should be enough
[11:22] <larsu> *backporting
[11:23] <seb128> darkxst, that would work for me yes
[11:23] <seb128> larsu, good morning, happy friday!
[11:23] <seb128> larsu, I tried backported it, it fixes the color issue but then the combo is not vertically centered anymore?
[11:23] <seb128> larsu, there is like 2px padding on top and 0 on bottom
[11:24] <seb128> larsu, vcs is lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gedit/ubuntu, but don't worry I did the gedit backport ... is the padding one a theme thing? (I saw you patched adwaita upstream as well)
[11:24] <larsu> seb128: ah I didn't notice that. Mayve my Ambiance is to hacked up by now :)
[11:24] <larsu> I'll fix it after some breakfast
[11:25] <larsu> seb128: thanks for testing it!
[11:25] <seb128> larsu, http://ubuntuone.com/7SvYg2qNu4Q9LViJnTsm5h
[11:26] <larsu> seb128: they did quite a few changes on the adwaita gedit parts recently
[11:26] <seb128> larsu, https://bug721813.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=265731 ... you have "border-bottom: 1px solid @borders;"
[11:26] <seb128> larsu, but solid looks weird, it makes a dark line at the bottom
[11:26] <larsu> I don't know if we want the border as well
[11:26] <seb128> larsu, anyway, no hurry, enjoy your tea first ;-)
[11:26] <larsu> they asked me to do that for adwaita
[11:26] <larsu> thanks :)
[11:56] <desrt> Laney: i think i'm probably going to disable the test....
[11:58] <Laney> desrt: as you wish
[12:00] <Laney> I wonder why it became so much more unreliable
[12:06] <desrt> race fairy
[12:07] <Laney> sun spots
[12:07]  * Laney builds a version with it disabled
[12:12] <Laney> of course, the latest ppc64el version finally built :-)
[12:13] <Laney> maybe you could get that into .3 then
[12:29] <Laney> dobey: looks like u1trial has borked
[12:29] <Laney> new twisted?
[12:40] <Laney> see: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-rhythmbox-ubuntuone/14/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[12:56] <sil2100> seb128: hello! Happy new year!
[12:56] <seb128> sil2100, hey, happy new year! how are you?
[12:57] <sil2100> seb128: fine fine, I cought a cold in the last week of my holidays, but thankfully it wore off more or less now
[12:57] <sil2100> seb128: how about you?
[12:57] <sil2100> *caught
[12:58] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[12:58] <sil2100> seb128: could I kindly ask of you to make a preNEW review of a semi new package that we want to daily-release, once you have a free moment
[12:58] <sil2100> seb128: it's lp:mediascanner2
[12:59] <seb128> sil2100, not likely today, I've a ton of stuff still in my backlog
[12:59] <seb128> could didrocks maybe do this one?
[12:59] <seb128> if he doesn't please ping me again next week
[12:59] <sil2100> seb128: ok, I'll poke him or someone else from the required teams
[12:59] <seb128> thanks
[13:00] <seb128> sorry about that, but I've several import reviews to do which are already blocking others and I didn't get to them yet
[13:00] <sil2100> No problem :)
[13:02] <didrocks> seb128: I'll probably do it
[13:03] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[13:31] <Laney> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6726582/ gets around it but I don't know if that's ideal
[13:31] <Laney> in particular I'm not sure what the extra value is for
[13:35] <dobey> Laney: apparently new twisted regressed and wasn't held in proposed when autopkgtests failed :-/
[13:36] <dobey> haven't had time to actually look into the issue though
[13:39] <Laney> dobey: Indeed
[13:40] <Laney> jibel: how come twisted wasn't held back? It made ubuntuone-dev-tools fail
[13:42] <Laney> I: [Wed Jan  8 00:34:51 2014] - Collected autopkgtest status for ubuntuone-dev-tools_13.10-0ubuntu1: PASS
[13:43] <Laney> mmm, it's never seen the FAIL AFAICT
[13:43] <jibel> Laney, and in the result history there is: ubuntuone-dev-tools 13.10-0ubuntu1 FAIL twisted 13.2.0-1ubuntu1 ubuntuone-dev-tools 13.10-0ubuntu1
[13:44] <Laney> I was looking in the britney logs
[13:44] <Laney> you think it's bad on that side?
[13:46] <Laney> jibel: going to lunch now, could you take it up with cjwatson if so?
[13:46] <Laney> biab
[13:47] <jibel> Laney, I'd wait before blaming any side
[13:47] <jibel> checking where it got this pass from
[14:29] <pitti> about 7 ubuntuone packages failed on that, and some definitively have direct depends on twistd stuff
[14:31] <Laney> pitti: yeah, ubuntuone-dev-tools does
[14:32] <larsu> seb128: so ... I'm not sure how far we want to copy Adwaita. Would you like the large titles as well? (where it says "Navigatuer de fichiers")?
[14:32] <seb128> larsu, do I look like a designer ? ;-)
[14:32] <larsu> seb128: I can't see you from here :P
[14:32] <larsu> I have the same problem though
[14:32] <larsu> hm, imgur not working
[14:33] <seb128> larsu, I would just copy stuff that don't look out of place
[14:33] <seb128> that's sort of the look the gedit guys designed
[14:33] <larsu> seb128: http://i.imgur.com/eoHAUp9.png ?
[14:33] <larsu> I'm not sure about no border on the bottom
[14:33] <seb128> with a dark line it looks weird
[14:33] <larsu> because white and @theme_bg_color are so similar
[14:34] <larsu> dark line?
[14:34] <larsu> oh, you mean at the top?
[14:34] <seb128> well, I copied the border snippet from your adwaita commit this morning
[14:34] <seb128> and that was adding a black line at the bottom
[14:34] <larsu> ah, bottom then
[14:34] <larsu> are you fine with the screenshot?
[14:34] <seb128> yes
[14:34] <seb128> but as said I'm not a designer
[14:34] <larsu> okay. Me too. Not a designer.
[14:34] <seb128> I just dislike stuff that not centered/aligned
[14:35] <larsu> I agree
[14:35] <seb128> which is why I commented about the combo position
[14:35] <larsu> good catch :)
[14:35]  * larsu readies a MR
[14:35] <larsu> will you apply the gedit fix or point me to the branch I can MR it on?
[14:37] <seb128> larsu, I've it ready, but I get those warnings now
[14:37] <seb128> (gedit:2230): Gtk-WARNING **: Unknown property: GtkToolItem.margin-end
[14:38] <larsu> seb128: might be that those got added > 3.10, let me check
[14:39] <seb128> larsu, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=9921bec63a3e67e2c2e38ca734590909a9f734b5
[14:39] <larsu> ya, they did
[14:39] <seb128> right
[14:40] <larsu> so s/-end/-right/ for us. I'll send you a patch
[14:40] <seb128> larsu, no need
[14:40] <larsu> k
[14:40] <seb128> larsu, I'm doing a test build
[14:41] <seb128> larsu, do you feel like doing more gedit&look debugging? :p
[14:41] <larsu> sure
[14:42] <larsu> have you seen the new gedit?
[14:42] <larsu> gnome3ified
[14:42] <seb128> I saw screenshots, I told them I would try it to comment on how well it works under Unity, still on my todo for today
[14:43] <larsu> it doesn't work well ...
[14:43] <seb128> I was expecting that...
[14:43] <larsu> it looks shitty in Ambiance and you can't resize it
[14:43] <larsu> it's pretty awesome in adwaita though
[14:43] <larsu> but then ... this is what they're designing for
[14:43] <seb128> yeah, we discussed that on #gtk+ for an hour the other day
[14:43] <seb128> on how new GNOME app style works great for GNOME
[14:44] <seb128> but sucks out of it
[14:44] <seb128> the gedit guys are nice, they actually care about their users on other desktops
[14:46] <larsu> yep, they're awesome
[14:46] <seb128> larsu, well, anyway issues with gedit and with theming i've still on my list (just mentioned them, thinking about it I should probably bother the upstream guys)
[14:46] <larsu> feel free to bother me first :)
[14:46] <seb128> 1- if you right click in the textview in gedit, the font in the menu is monospace (same as the textview)
[14:46] <seb128> which is weird
[14:47] <seb128> I guess that's an upstream gedit/gtk issue though
[14:47] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1242984
[14:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1242984 in gedit (Ubuntu) " Gedit context menu font is monospace" [Low,Incomplete]
[14:48] <seb128> 2- not gedit, but with the light theme, the checkmark/dots in the new dropdown menus are white on grey which is not visible
[14:48] <seb128> (that's a bug in the theme I guess)
[14:48] <seb128> dropdown menu, being e.g in evince or nautilus
[14:49] <seb128> 3- the baobab o-s issue
[14:50] <seb128> larsu, oh, found https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697127 ... https://bug697127.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=252130 ... we should do the same I guess
[14:50] <ubot2> Gnome bug 697127 in general "gedit context menu uses fixed-width font" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[14:50] <seb128> larsu, if you mp the border tweaks can you include that?
[14:52] <seb128>
[14:52] <seb128> ok, I'm going for some exercice, it's a bit sunny so let's go before it's night
[14:52] <seb128> back in ~1h
[14:53] <larsu> seb128: have fun!
[14:53] <larsu> I'll have a look at those issues
[14:53] <seb128> larsu, thanks, and thanks! ;-)
[14:59] <seb128> larsu, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/3.10.3-0ubuntu2
[14:59] <seb128> ok, that done, I'm out for an hour, bbl
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> who looks after mesa these days?
[15:23] <Laney> mlankhorst does
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> Laney, yeah, i've just subscribed him to my bug already. thanks :)
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> mlankhorst, bug 1267893 might be of interest to you ;)
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1267893 in Oxide "Shutdown crash due to possible mesa race at startup" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267893
[15:39] <Laney> (H)
[15:49] <mlankhorst> chrisccoulson: feel free to assign :P afk
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> mlankhorst, to you? :)
[15:49] <mlankhorst> yeah
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> mlankhorst, shall i move it to mesa too?
[16:04] <Sarvatt> chrisccoulson, mlankhorst: http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/17161/ ?
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> Sarvatt, yes, that would prevent the crash. although, it feels like a bit of a band aid (glx is still registered twice on the display handle)
[16:07] <Laney> okay, I'm taking off a little early today after having short lunches/working later, see you guys next week!
[16:14] <larsu> Laney: have a nice weekend!
[16:16] <larsu> seb128: which dropdown do you mean? (your point 2 from before)
[16:20] <seb128> Laney, have a nice w.e !
[16:21] <seb128> larsu, e.g in nautilus the \/ menu
[16:21] <seb128> next to the icons for icon/list views
[16:23] <seb128> larsu, http://ubuntuone.com/4zwDVC3qOLj2qIaQfka7Ox
[16:23] <larsu> ah, those!
[16:23] <larsu> thanks
[16:23] <seb128> larsu, see the checkmark on the left of the "show sidepane f9" for example
[16:23] <larsu> how was your excersice?
[16:23] <seb128> very good, thanks!
[16:24] <seb128> it's a bit colder than yesterday, but 8°C is still warm for january
[16:24] <larsu> ya
[16:24] <larsu> same her
[16:24] <larsu> *here
[16:28] <larsu> doesn't seem to be a theme issue, but rather it's always drawn white
[16:28] <larsu> hm, not in adwaita
[17:21] <larsu> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/radiance-dark-checks/+merge/201235
[17:21] <seb128> larsu, danke!
[17:22] <larsu> that diff doesn't look like the chnages that I did... weird
[17:22] <larsu> but they are correct (I think)
[17:23] <larsu> actually, the insensitive ones might still be incorrect
[17:24] <larsu> ah no they're fine. They always use the same png
[17:25] <sil2100> didrocks: today I also cleaned up some stuff related to appmenu-qt5, like creating the LP project, fixing packaging and finalizing the Qt5 patches
[17:25] <didrocks> sil2100: ah, excellent news!
[17:25] <didrocks> so next week, appmenu-qt5 in?
[17:25] <didrocks> :)
[17:25] <sil2100> didrocks: both required Qt5 changes are approved upstream, Timo already cherry-picked them to our 5.2 ;)
[17:25] <didrocks> ah, so only with 5.2
[17:26] <sil2100> I hope so! It's all ready and my TODO includes daily-releasing appmenu-qt5
[17:26] <sil2100> didrocks: we could back-port the patches to the old Qt5 if needed, no problem
[17:26] <didrocks> sil2100: let's see the timeline :)
[17:27] <sil2100> didrocks: just for now, since we're looking 'everything 5.2' we concentrated on that one, but I also tested the same changes on 5.0.2
[17:28] <didrocks> sounds legit, no worry!
[18:03]  * didrocks waves good evening and good week-end


[18:35] <nisshh> omg
[18:35] <nisshh> i was so close to catching jenkins
[18:35] <nisshh> bugger
[20:32] <nisshh> godbyk, ping
[20:33] <nisshh> aquarius, i will sort out the tex live PPA as soon as possible
[20:39] <godbyk> nisshh: pong
[20:44] <trijntje> is there any news on the screenshot server python issue?
[20:47] <mterry_> Is there a technical reason the versions of texlive needed aren't in Ubuntu?  No one to update them or something worse?
[20:49] <dutchie> mterry_: i understand that texlive is a bit of a monster to package, so there is a fair bit of lag between upstream releases and them getting into debian, then ubuntu
[20:50] <mterry_> Yar, I believe it.  It's just a shame how gross the 'getting texlive on your system' part of contributing to the manual is (looking at it for a separate Ubuntu Developer's Manual which hopes to use same stylesheets etc)
[20:54] <dutchie> mterry_: there is slow progress being made on a ppa
[20:55] <mterry_> dutchie, yeah?  is there a link?   I don't see texlive-base in any PPA newer than karmic
[20:55] <dutchie> i don't think it works yet :)
[20:55] <mterry_> :(
[20:57] <bilalakhtar> mterry_: Are you a member of the desktop team?
[20:58] <mterry_> bilalakhtar, yeah
[20:59] <nisshh> godbyk, see mterry_'s question
[21:00] <godbyk> trijntje: not yet, I'm afraid.
[21:01] <godbyk> mterry_: I think jenkins was working on the LaTeX PPA, but he's been really busy lately.
[21:01] <godbyk> mterry_: But AFAIK, there shouldn't be an technical reasons why it can't be packaged (aside from needing to get more space in your PPA).
[21:01] <godbyk> mterry_: We contacted the debian package maintainers for the texlive packages and they basically said they're waiting for the next version of debian before they work on new packages (if I remember correctly).
[21:02] <mterry_> godbyk, heh.  OK.  Could split across PPAs or something.  Still gross, but...
[21:02] <mterry_> godbyk, guh. Understandable, but there's no ETA on that
[21:02] <godbyk> mterry_: texlive is a big download at the beginning, but once you have it, you can keep it up to date using their updater (called tlmgr).  So it's just the initial cost that's a pain.
[21:03] <godbyk> mterry_: no ETA that I'm aware of.
[21:03] <mterry_> godbyk, yes.  I'm not so worried for myself, but I'm trying to make it easy to contribute
[21:04] <godbyk> mterry_: If you come up with an easier way I'd love to hear about it.  It's something that holds a lot of people back from contributing to our project, too, I think.
[21:05] <mterry_> godbyk, OK.  will ping if I do...  might modify install-pkgs.sh script to do a bit more automatically or something
[21:05] <mterry_> Sounds like I don't want to try to package it myself in a PPA (unless difficulty is overblown?  Might be one of those things where someone that didn't know it was impossible could do it)
[21:06] <mterry_> godbyk: how difficult would it be to avoid using bits of 2009 that aren't in Ubuntu yet?  Like, is it lots of stuff, or just one icon somewhere?
[21:12] <godbyk> mterry_: I haven't checked the Maverick stuff yet.  I know for sure that they haven't packaged the ccicons stuff (which just gives us nice-looking Creative Commons icons).
[21:12] <godbyk> mterry_: Also, if you're wanting to translate to a lot of languages, you'll want the latest polyglossia and csquotes packages.
[21:12] <mterry_> hrm, not worrying about translation yet...  but ok
[21:13] <godbyk> mterry_: We had a big problem with using TeX Live 2008 as packaged in Lucid. The XeLaTeX version was too old.
[21:13] <godbyk> But if they've brought XeLaTeX up to date, then you might be able to get away with just manually installing some newer tex packages.
[21:13] <godbyk> (You can write a script to do it easily.)
[21:14] <godbyk> In short, for plain English stuff, you can get away with what's packaged in Maverick.
[21:14] <godbyk> The problems show up when you're trying to translate to a number of different languages.
[21:24] <nisshh> godbyk, right, so only translators need a version newer than whats in maverick?
[21:24] <godbyk> nisshh: translators and anyone who wants to build translated PDFs.
[21:24] <godbyk> At least, I *think* that's true.
[21:24] <nisshh> ok
[21:24] <godbyk> I haven't actually tested the packages in Maverick.
[21:24] <nisshh> yeah
[21:24] <nisshh> i guess some people will do that
[21:24] <godbyk> Since I write LaTeX code often enough, I just keep up to date on CTAN (TeX Live) directly.
[21:25] <nisshh> yeah
[21:25] <nisshh> not xelatex
[21:26] <godbyk> XeLaTeX just gives you access to non-TeX fonts (read: all your normal fonts).
[21:26] <godbyk> Oh, and it understands Unicode.
[21:26] <nisshh> ah ok
[21:26] <nisshh> godbyk, thanks for pointing out some stuff in the manual session earlier btw :)
[21:27] <godbyk> np
[21:27] <nisshh> :)
[21:27] <nisshh> godbyk, can you do me a favour?
[21:27] <godbyk> I'm happy to help you guys with the book design or LaTeX code, if you like.
[21:27] <godbyk> nisshh: Sure.
[21:27] <nisshh> oh cool
[21:28] <nisshh> godbyk, if you talk to flan any time soon, can you please tell him i need to speak to him about Quickshot?
[21:28] <nisshh> i never seem to be able to get hold of him, even though i have pinged him 10 times
[21:28] <godbyk> nisshh: Sure. I don't see him too often these days. I think he's really busy with work right now.
[21:29] <nisshh> i see
[21:29] <nisshh> that would explain why he isnt replying
[21:29] <godbyk> I think there's a quickshot-devs mailing list you could try, too
[21:29] <nisshh> ok, thanks
[21:30] <nisshh> also, any design we do will be later in the cycle, once we have most other things in place
[21:30] <nisshh> godbyk, did you hear about the sprint during the session?
[21:31] <godbyk> I caught bits and pieces.
[21:31] <godbyk> (and yeah, it's easier to design the book after you have more of the content written. that way I have an idea of what needs to go into the design.)
[21:31] <nisshh> yeah
[21:32] <dutchie> those lines had a pretty cascade of spaces
[21:32] <dutchie> then godbyk ruined it
[21:32] <nisshh> godbyk, wasnt there talk not that long ago of using the new Ubuntu color scheme in the natty pdf design?
[21:32] <godbyk> lol
[21:32] <dutchie> shouldn't have put a bracket in there
[21:32] <nisshh> hehe
[21:33] <godbyk> nisshh: yeah. I've got some of the color stuff in my working dir, but I have to print it a few places to see if it looks okay. then I'll get it committed.
[21:34] <nisshh> godbyk, cool
[21:34] <nisshh> aquarius, you there?
[21:35] <nisshh> popey, i didnt know you did the UK loco podcast :)
[21:36] <popey> heh
[21:36] <dutchie> popey is a celebrity!
[21:36] <nisshh> hehe
[21:39] <aquarius> nisshh, hi
[21:43] <aquarius> nisshh, sorry, gotta go, hopefully we can catch up later
[21:46] <nisshh> aquarius, ah, i was just going to say that i will get the PPA back up ASAP, just need to get hold of the maintainer
[21:46] <nisshh> the tex live PPA that is
[21:46] <trijntje> godbyk, I just remember I only thought "ok" when you said the server isnt working yet
[21:46] <godbyk> trijntje: ha! no worries. :)
[21:47] <nisshh> meh, nvm....
[21:53] <trijntje> and now that I have repented from my sins, i'm off too bed. Goodnight all


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