[01:35] <Laibsch> I've heard rumours that work on git-support in launchpad is on-going and official support imminent.  Is there some truth to this?
[01:38] <poolie> hi Laibsch, we're looking at adding git format support, beyond just imports
[01:39] <poolie> i wouldn't call it iminent
[01:39] <poolie> i'm interested to hear how people would use it
[01:39] <Laibsch> are you involved in that work?  what kind of time frame would you expect, a month (I guess not), a year, a decade?
[01:40] <poolie> not a month and not a decade :)
[01:40] <Laibsch> OK, I will come banging down your door in a year
[01:40] <Laibsch> and you better have something to show ;-)
[01:41] <poolie> uh, that may not work so well
[01:41] <poolie> anyhow, do you use Launchpad now?
[01:41] <poolie> or, you'd like to use it but you need git support?
[01:41] <Laibsch> I am involved in bug triage, Debian packaging, backporting patches to LTS and a little bit of upstream work.  I can see huge benefits for myself in the integration of git into that mix.
[01:42] <Laibsch> I have been using LP for years
[01:43] <poolie> how specifically would you use it?
[01:43] <poolie> you have git branches elsewhere you'd like to host on lp instead?
[01:43] <Laibsch> I don't absolutely need git, but I certainly loathe bzr or svn.  Having git work across the complete "value chain" would streamline my work.
[01:43] <Laibsch> I have almost all my packages for Debian on git.debian.org
[01:44] <Laibsch> currently, git is used only for the packaging, upstream is imported via git-import-orig
[01:44] <Laibsch> but I can see myself working on both upstream and the packaging in git branches of the same repo
[01:44] <poolie> why 'loath bzr'?
[01:45] <Laibsch> maybe I don't have enough exposure
[01:45] <Laibsch> it just slows me down tremendously
[01:45] <poolie> as far as actual speed, or workflow?
[01:45] <Laibsch> I cannot authoritatively tell you if bzr is lacking something technically that is supported in git
[01:46] <Laibsch> but the thing is simple
[01:46] <Laibsch> when the main project I was involved with was using monotone, I was good in monotone
[01:46] <Laibsch> everybody and their uncle is using git these days (except LP/Canonical :-p)
[01:46] <Laibsch> why should I as a user be fluent in more than one VCS?
[01:46] <Laibsch> especially if git is working so well?
[01:47] <poolie> so it slows you down because it's not the same as what you're used to using elsewhere?
[01:47] <poolie> ok
[01:48] <poolie> so that we can understand how the features  ought to work together it's useful to understand the actual stories where people would use this
[01:49] <poolie> so
[01:49] <poolie> for instance
[01:49] <poolie> would just supporting git clients on new branches be enough?
[01:50] <poolie> or are there particular branches already on lp (for upstreams, or for packaging?) that you'd like to access from git
[01:50] <Laibsch> you mean read-only?
[01:50] <poolie> i'm just asking for some example stories of how you'd use it
[01:51] <Laibsch> well, one thing I really like in LP but that I don't use at all because it's in bzr is the ability of everybody to create a branch and propose it for merging in the project or Ubuntu
[01:52] <Laibsch> how would I use it?  to reduce the fractured  data base (not database) between upstream-Debian-Ubuntu and bug tracking/user contributions/backpush of patches
[01:52] <Laibsch> that kind of thing
[01:52] <Laibsch> what LP does, really ;-)
[01:52] <Laibsch> s/fractured/fragmented/
[01:53] <Laibsch> kind of like SAP in the business world "enter once, use everywhere" ;-)
[01:55] <Laibsch> let's say upstream was available in an LP git repo and made a patch for a bug in oneiric, I could then very easily take the commit and do "git checkout lucid;git cherry-pick $blah;git dch;git-pbuildpackage" and have a new lucid package quickly.  I can then push back my local lucid branch with $blah for release to lucid-proposed
[01:56] <poolie> right
[01:57] <poolie> so the main problem with package merge proposals at the moment for you is that you have to use a different client tool to create them and it's not worth it?
[01:57] <Laibsch> yes
[01:57] <Laibsch> do you know any upstream project that uses bzr?
[01:57] <Laibsch> I'm sure there are some
[01:57] <Laibsch> but none that I'm regularly involved with :-p
[01:58] <poolie> what is the breakdown across projects that you work on?
[01:58] <Laibsch> technically, cherry-pick and rebase and these things work great in git.  I can't comment how well bzr does these things.
[01:58] <poolie> well, dude, i'm trying to improve the tools for ubuntu developers for you so perhaps you can not stick your tongue out at me
[01:59] <Laibsch> My apologies, it's not meant offensively, more like a "hehehe"
[01:59] <poolie> rebase works pretty well (in the rewrite plugin) but it is not used so commonly
[01:59] <Laibsch> I'm sorry if the sign was misunderstood
[01:59] <poolie> np
[01:59] <Laibsch> I understand you're being very helpful
[02:00] <poolie> anyhow, it seems like the thing here is that you don't want git support just for selected project
[02:00] <poolie> like on sf or google code
[02:00] <poolie> but to be able to use it to interact with all ubuntu branches
[02:00] <poolie> so behind that feature name of 'git support'
[02:00] <Laibsch> "ubuntu branches" = ubuntu releases?
[02:00] <Laibsch> or LP modules?
[02:00] <poolie> there are a bunch of possibilities and we're just trying to understand them
[02:01] <Laibsch> yes, very good
[02:01] <poolie> for instance lp:ubuntu/oneiric/grub2 is a bzr branch of the ubuntu source for grub2
[02:01] <poolie> off which you could make new branches and file merge proposals
[02:02] <Laibsch> yes
[02:03] <poolie> ok
[02:03] <poolie> we have this pattern in lp specs of saying "As a ... I want to ... so that I can ..."
[02:03] <Laibsch> When the data is there I will also often use "git log" and "git diff" to analyze where changes/bugs/possible solutions are coming from historically
[02:03] <poolie> (for instance in dev.launchpad.net/LEP/)
[02:03] <Laibsch> you are talking about "use cases2?
[02:03] <poolie> can you suggest any more of those around this?
[02:04] <poolie> yes, it's a formula for use cases
[02:04] <Laibsch> you're asking me to write up LEP/GitSupportInLP?
[02:05] <Laibsch> I can add to one if there is a draft
[02:06] <poolie> haha
[02:06] <poolie> well
[02:06] <Laibsch> https://dev.launchpad.net/Wishes/Git is what I found
[02:07] <poolie> i was asking for some content to put onto it
[02:07] <Laibsch> Ok
[02:07] <poolie> i am trying to get something more specific than the people quoted on that page
[02:07] <Laibsch> But the page isn't there, yet, right?
[02:07] <poolie> we could easily, with the best intentions, implement something that counts as 'git support' but does not work well
[02:08] <Laibsch> yes, git support could be many different things
[02:08] <Laibsch> LP could reasonably claim to support git even today
[02:08] <poolie> indeed
[02:08] <poolie> so i'm trying to work out how to draw out more information
[02:08] <poolie> we need 6-10 good use cases, not lots of upvotes on the main headline
[02:09] <Laibsch> how about this
[02:09] <Laibsch> you put up a page, I'll write a few things up
[02:09] <Laibsch> and improve and fine-tune my thoughts a bit over time
[02:09] <Laibsch> I don't think I can sit down and have it all ready at once
[02:10] <Laibsch> FWIW, Wishes/Git does not seem to be editable even after I log in
[02:12] <poolie> ok i'll do that
[02:12] <Laibsch> cool
[02:12] <Laibsch> thank you for your time
[02:12] <Laibsch> you got my LP nick?
[02:19] <poolie> yes
[05:42] <poolie> can anyone create a p3a or does it need special permission?
[05:46] <StevenK> It needs special permission
[07:11] <mrevell> hey huwshimi
[07:11] <huwshimi> mrevell: Hey
[09:37] <ApOgEE> hi
[11:23] <czajkowski> mrevell: aloha did https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/816105 die a pain of death ?
[11:24] <mrevell> czajkowski, No, it just kinda went into a coma for a while. It's back on my list of things to do :) Thanks for the prompt.
[11:25] <czajkowski> mrevell: no worries I'm here to prod and poke you know me :)
[11:25] <mrevell> Heh, cheers :)
[11:25] <czajkowski> next up gmb hello my dear , any sweet love of god https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/789171 you want to make all our lives easier eh :D
[11:26] <czajkowski> mrevell: hey I can log one annoying bug a cycle for you guys to get confused over as much as I am it'll be worth it
[11:26] <mrevell> heh, we don't have a lack of bug reports, that's for sure. I'm always happy to hear which ones are particularly painful, though.
[11:27] <czajkowski> those 2 :D
[11:27] <czajkowski> do you know how often I've to contact loco team members with no public email address *mutters*
[12:58] <rbasak> Got an interesting problem with the watch file in lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/nova/diablo. It specifies http://launchpad.net/nova/+download, but that page is paginated so it now needs http://launchpad.net/nova/+download?start=10.
[12:58] <rbasak> I worked around it for now by changing the watch file manually.
[12:59] <rbasak> Is there a standard answer for this? Something like http://launchpad.net/nova/+download?show=all perhaps?
[13:02] <deryck> Hi, adeuring.  I'll take IRC now.
[13:03] <adeuring> morning, deryck, thanks!
[13:19] <Laney> is rosetta known to be more strict than msgfmt?
[13:19] <Laney> I got an email about an error importing http://launchpadlibrarian.net/81154657/es.po - it seems like it has weird line endings on the header lines
[13:19] <Laney> but msgfmt -c doesn't complain about them
[13:24] <deryck> danilos or jtv -- can one of you help answer Laney?
[13:24] <jtv> I'm here.  Laney: hang on, I'll look.
[13:24] <Laney> Line 10: Invalid content: u', 2011.'
[13:25] <jtv> There can be small differences between what Launchpad's importer says and what msgfmt -c says, yes; we basically implemented our own.
[13:25] <jtv> (Also, different gettext versions etc. can also cause different views).
[13:25] <Laney> I think it's actually complaining about line 9
[13:25] <Laney> vim shows me a ^M there
[13:25] <jtv> Ah yes.  In gedit it comes up as a clear mistake.
[13:26] <Laney> but that's in a comment; should it break your parser?
[13:26] <jtv> ^M is arguably a newline.  :)
[13:26] <jtv> If it's a newline, then the extra ", 2011" is not in a comment.
[13:26] <Laney> aha, that's how you're getting it
[13:27] <jtv> Yup.  And it also explains the confusing line number: disagreement about where the lines end.
[13:27] <jtv> In this case it's clearly a mistake at any rate: 2011 is in there twice.
[13:27] <Laney> yes, it's a problem for sure, i just think that it shouldn't be a parse error
[13:32] <jtv> It's a relatively hard problem: sometimes these are from editing on different platforms (a Mac user might argue that their newlines should be accepted as newlines, for instance, even if it's not strictly according to GNU standards) and sometimes IIRC they're \r carriage returns that haven't been escaped.
[13:54] <smoser> I keep hitting OOPS-2096DQ61
 Got an interesting problem with the watch file in lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/nova/diablo. It specifies http://launchpad.net/nova/+download, but that page is paginated so it now needs http://launchpad.net/nova/+download?start=10.
 I worked around it for now by changing the watch file manually.
 Is there a standard answer for this? Something like http://launchpad.net/nova/+download?show=all perhaps?
[14:38] <deryck> smoser, you're experiencing bug 816617
[14:43] <deryck> rbasak, I don't believe we have a way to do that for batches.  adeuring, do you know?  Can we force a BatchNavigator view to show all results via a url somehow?
[14:44] <rbasak> deryck, adeuring: for doing debian/watch files, it just needs to be a list of hyperlinks or something like that. Like an Apache directory listing.
[14:44] <adeuring> rbasak, deryck: We have somewhere a hard limit for the batch size, and some views override always changes of the batch size.
[14:45] <deryck> right.  but nothing to just say "show me all results" and by pass the batch.
[14:45] <adeuring> rbasak, deryck: on this page, https://launchpad.net/nova/+download?batch=50 would work tough
[14:45] <adeuring> ...though
[14:46] <rbasak> yeah, until it goes >50 :-)
[14:46] <adeuring> but we woudl again have more than one page, should the number of links become larger than 300 or so
[14:47] <hsn> is there wiki available for projects?
[14:48] <hsn> or something what can be used for presenting online documentation
[14:55] <smoser> deryck, so i am just simply unable to make a change to bug  845788 because of bug 816617?
[14:55] <smoser> is there a work around ?
[14:56] <deryck> hmmm, I don't know…. let me see.
[14:58] <deryck> smoser, what change are you trying to make?
[14:59] <smoser> mark ubuntu task as 'Triaged' or 'In progress' and 'High' and assign to me. target to ubuntu 11.10
[14:59] <smoser> and then i also need to tag it with server-o-nrs
[15:00] <deryck> smoser, are you trying everything at once, via the hidden form?  or trying each thing individually with the ajax widgets?
[15:01] <smoser> i guess all at once
[15:01] <deryck> smoser, trying using the individual widgets, i.e. clicking the edit icon next to "new" in the bug task table.
[15:03] <smoser> deryck, seems to have worked.
[15:03] <smoser> thank you.
[15:09] <smoser> deryck, is oops OOPS-2096D81 same as other ?
[15:09] <smoser> i was doing the same on a different bug
[15:10] <deryck> smoser, I'll have to wait for the OOPS to sync before I can see for sure.
[15:36] <deryck> smoser, yes, that is the same error as before.
[15:37] <smoser> thanks deryck
[16:04] <nemo> So, we use the oh-so-horrible Websense at work, and it loves randomly blocking .deb packages
[16:07] <abentley> deryck: I relieve you.
[16:08] <deryck> abentley, I feel relieved.  :)  thanks!
[16:58] <nemo> aaanyway. it'd be nice if launchpad.net supported https or ftp for PPAs.  looks like launchpad.net does have https, but trying to point a ppa at it yields a 404
[17:01] <tumbleweed> you can upload to PPAs by ftp.  I assume because of the load...
[17:09] <CasW> Is this the right place for launchpadlib questions?
[17:10] <tumbleweed> yes, but I'm about to run off
[17:10] <CasW> Good, I want to register a blueprint, or actually, I want to make an IRC bot able to register blueprints; is this possible?
[17:15] <CasW> I'm sorry, I have to go and have dinner.
[17:33] <flacoste> CasW: unfortunately, the method to create blueprint isn't exported over the API yet
[17:33] <flacoste> CasW: so it's not possible at the moment, it's relatively easy to add though
[17:34] <CasW> I'm not really back, just for a moment, but that's a pity...
[17:34] <CasW> But you said it's relatively easy?
[18:09] <CasW> Now, I'm really back.
[18:12] <CasW> flacoste: You said there was an easy way to register blueprints with code?
[18:12] <CasW> In a program?
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> would someone mind killing all of the builds in here? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora/+packages
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> i uploaded those by accident, and they're all going to fail anyway
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> but they're all going to fail near the end of the build ;)
[18:40] <chrisccoulson> actually, never mind, the builds are all failing really early on, thankfully
[18:41] <dobey> CasW: he was saying it shouldn't be too hard for the necessary bits to be added to the server code, to allow you to do that
[18:42] <CasW> Oh, I was thinking about maybe cURL, that kind of stuff
[18:43] <dobey> though having an irc bot register blueprints doesn't seem like a great idea
[18:43] <CasW> Why not?
[18:44] <CasW> Safety, you think?
[18:44] <dobey> spam
[18:44] <CasW> Yeah, so "safety", well, off course, I'm going to make it safe
[18:45] <dobey> you want to do it to register blueprints for your own project, or for UDS, or for any project?
[18:46] <CasW> My own project, OpenTeacher
[18:46] <CasW> We're lazy and we don't want to browse to launchpad ourselves ;)
[18:47] <CasW> But I'm going to play the piano, now, I'll be back in about half an hour
[19:12] <CasW> I'm back
[19:27] <flacoste> CasW: i meant it would be relatively easy to expose the ability to register a blueprint over the api, so that you can do it using a launchpadlib script
[19:27] <flacoste> there is no way to create blueprint besides the web ui  otherwise
[19:27] <CasW> Alright, well, thanks anyway!
[22:36] <mdeslaur> So...if I have a milestone called "0.1", launchpad won't let me create a milestone called "0.10"
[22:37] <mdeslaur> any way around this? I'm not ready for 1.0 yet :)
[22:38] <kiko> really?
[22:38] <kiko> it's not doing a simple string compare?!
[22:38] <mdeslaur> kiko: http://imgpaste.com/SVX3.png
[22:57] <mwhudson> someone filed a bug about that the other day
[22:57] <mwhudson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/859222
[22:58] <mwhudson> mdeslaur: there is a workaround
[22:58] <sladen> how do I get a PPA to use dependencies currently in Universe?  I've tried the  Section: universe/...
[22:59] <mdeslaur> mwhudson: ah! cool, thanks for the bug and the workaround
[22:59] <mwhudson> sladen: i think its a clicky clickly option for the ppa
[23:00] <micahg> huh? I thought the default was to use everything
[23:00] <mwhudson> yeah, me too actually
[23:01] <mwhudson> the other option "Use the same components used for each source in the Ubuntu primary archive." does not leave me understanding what it will do :)
[23:01] <sladen> ah ha.  /+edit-dependencies  ta
[23:01] <micahg> mwhudson: well, that will build like it's in the archive with the same components, (main = main, universe = main + universe)
[23:02] <mwhudson> ah ok
[23:02] <sladen> "Default primary dependencies restored."  possibly when/if the default was changed; those already set weren't updated
[23:07] <wgrant> sladen: The default wasn't changed.
[23:08] <wgrant> sladen: Building against multiverse has been the default since late 2007, well before those options existed at all.


[01:46] <highvoltage> ev: forgetting how windows works is a bad thing? :p
[10:42] <ev> highvoltage: -ENOCONTEXT
[16:09] <highvoltage> ev: whoops, turned out it was another evan d. that I saw on identica, sorry :)


[08:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Swap Ideas Day! 😃
[12:34] <popey> bfiller: do you have that branch from renatu which enables multiple calendars which we discussed at the sprint? (I don't think I've seen it)
[12:37] <aquarius> beuno, ping: how does one handle things if two people want to work collaboratively on an app? The publish process requires signing in with a U1 account, which only belongs to one person. Is it possible to allow two separate people to both publish a given app?
[12:38] <beuno> aquarius, not yet, but its in the works
[12:38] <ogra_> well, you could use a team account :)
[12:38] <beuno> aquarius, today, people share credentials
[12:38] <beuno> for an account
[12:38] <beuno> aquarius, also, hi!
[12:38] <aquarius> beuno, so, the best thing to do is to create a new U1 account for the "team", and use that?
[12:38] <aquarius> also, hi back :-)
[12:38] <ogra_> wouldnt the correct answer be lo ?
[12:39] <beuno> aquarius, for now, yes
[12:39] <aquarius> beuno, ok, cool. Finger in the air guess, how long will it be before it's available? Are we talking about "months from now, when we get to it" or "Tuesday"?
[12:40] <ogra_> how about "a Tuesday" ?
[12:40] <beuno> +1 to a tuesday
[12:40]  * aquarius laughs
[12:40] <beuno> aquarius, hopefully before the end of the year
[12:41] <beuno> how's that?
[12:41] <aquarius> I'm asking in case I should hold off doing this until it's ready
[12:41] <ogra_> on a tuesday
[12:41] <aquarius> but the answer is "no" :)
[12:41] <aquarius> cheers, pal; that helps
[12:41] <beuno> aquarius, yeah, probably no. OTOH, you'll be able to move ownership around
[12:41] <beuno> so it should be an easy transition path into something proper
[12:41] <aquarius> when you build this, you'll want to make it possible to transfer app ownership
[12:41] <aquarius> aha!
[12:41] <aquarius> great minds, etc :)
[12:42] <beuno> :)
[14:28] <jdstrand> dpm: hi! would you mind taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1462489 comment #38?
[14:29] <jdstrand> dpm: it might be worth noting that it is available in OTA5
[14:29] <jdstrand> dpm: obviously feel free to pass that along to someone :)
[14:58] <dpm> jdstrand, ok
[14:59] <dpm> davidcalle, do you think you could update the document with this info? https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1462489/comments/38
[15:03] <davidcalle> dpm, jdstrand, sure, done
[15:04] <dpm> thanks davidcalle!
[15:04] <davidcalle> np :)
[15:25] <jdstrand> davidcalle: thanks! there was one other thing I mentioned in irc that wasn't in that comment. It might be useful to mention that it is first available in 15.04 OTA5
[15:32] <davidcalle> jdstrand, right, added to the Usage section
[15:34] <jdstrand> davidcalle: thanks!
[15:34] <popey> mzanetti: i had problems with hangouts earlier. it kept booting me out, dunno if you're having same issue
[15:34] <mzanetti> popey, seems I do
[17:26] <DS-McGuire> Does anybody know who the developer of Text Secure is on Ubuntu Touch?
[17:39] <popey> DS-McGuire: ya
[17:39] <popey> DS-McGuire: Jani Monoses
[17:41] <DS-McGuire> popey, Is he on IRC?
[17:41] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~jani
[17:41] <popey> janimo on irc
[17:47] <DS-McGuire> Thanks popey :)
[17:49] <popey> np
[20:56] <mzanetti> popey, hey think you can review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/workaround-oxide-race/+merge/270745
[20:56] <mzanetti> or maybe if rpadovani is around?
[20:57] <rpadovani> mzanetti, there is a text conflict
[20:58] <mzanetti> fixing already
[20:58] <mzanetti> fixed
[20:59] <popey> \o/
[21:00] <mzanetti> erm... wait... something's gone wrong in the merge
[21:02] <mzanetti> ah no... everything fine... I just lowered the debug level again and was wondering why I don't see the expected debug print any more :D
[21:04] <rpadovani> mzanetti, then lgtm
[21:06] <mzanetti> rpadovani, next one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/fix-missing-checkbox/+merge/270750
[21:10] <rpadovani> mzanetti, also if is oneline edit I do a deep review and say 'Need fixing' :=P
[21:10] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/fix-missing-checkbox/+merge/270750/comments/681831
[21:10] <mzanetti> rpadovani, ok... now I'm puzzled
[21:10] <mzanetti> rpadovani, I thought it wouldn't work any more because I removed that file
[21:11] <mzanetti> but you're right, it's still there
[21:17] <mzanetti> rpadovani, fixed
[21:19] <rpadovani> mzanetti, danke
[21:19] <mzanetti> :D
[21:54] <mzanetti> rpadovani, if you're still in the mood: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/improve-edit-focus/+merge/270755
[21:54] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I knew it, you baited me with two small MR to drop the bomb later :P
[22:05] <mzanetti> rpadovani, :D
[22:05] <mzanetti> rpadovani, not intentionally... you don't have to review them right away
[22:06] <rpadovani> mzanetti, oh, np, there is my boss screaming about a demo we have tomorrow and to fix the world right now, I think I have still some hours to be awake, why don' t spend time in a constructive manner for Ubuntu? :D
[22:06] <mzanetti> rpadovani, oh... well in that case, probably better focus on the demo
[22:07] <rpadovani> mzanetti, atm they' re trying to fix something about Unity3d, not much I can do there...


[01:33] <ajmitch> a/win 62
[03:51] <lifeless> k
[03:51] <lifeless> bah
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[13:22] <alo21> yofel, hi... may I ask you a thing?
[13:24] <yofel> alo21: yes?
[13:25] <alo21> yofel, I do not know if you read my mail... I would like to know if you are going to work on kile merge/sync. If not, could I take care of it, please?
[13:27] <yofel> alo21: read it now. Go ahead with the merge if you want to do it.
[13:28] <alo21> yofel, thanks
[14:10] <psusi> are the build daemons hosed?  submitted a package to my ppa yesterday and after 8 hours, finally started building, sat there building for 5 hours ( should only take minutes ), and today shows as canceled
[17:07] <yofel> alo21: You missed something when reviewing kile: I forgot to get the NO_PNG_PKG_MANGLE setting into debian, so at least that is broken again now. I'll talk to them to see whether we can really sync it in the future.
[17:13] <alo21> yofel, wow... I'm so sorry...If you want I can send a patch, to fix it...let me know
[17:25] <yofel> alo21: np, I'll take care of getting that into debian. (I should've done that ages ago already anyway)
[17:25] <alo21> yofel, OK...thanks


[02:04] <wallyworld> tlm: your latest model operator changes pushed up? just wanted to start a casual review
[02:06] <tlm> nah i'll push in a sec
[02:06] <tlm> just smashing some lunch
[02:06] <wallyworld> sure, np
[02:06] <wallyworld> it is food time indeed
[02:26] <tlm> pushed wallyworld, will be back in about 40 minutes
[02:27] <wallyworld> sure thing, ty
[02:30] <hpidcock> PR for someone thanks https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11556
[03:30] <wallyworld> hpidcock: lgtm ty
[03:31] <wallyworld> tlm: i left some initial feedback based on the WIP PR, let me knw if there's any questions. the structure all looks ok
[03:33] <wallyworld> thumper: i can see the gui/dashboard PR - did you have a branch as well?
[03:34] <thumper> it is possible that he has merged it in already
[03:34] <wallyworld> i guess i can look at gh myself
[03:34]  * thumper is raging against hardware
[03:34] <wallyworld> ah ok
[03:34] <thumper> wallyworld: bought a second screen
[03:34] <thumper> and it won't run at 4k
[03:34] <wallyworld> oh noes!
[03:34] <thumper> though the usbc adapater I got
[03:34] <thumper> screws everything up
[03:35] <wallyworld> you pluggin into thundebolt?
[03:35] <thumper> So I now have it on my desk not being used
[03:35] <wallyworld> i have a 4k monitor pluged into the thunderbolt port all good
[03:35] <thumper> the monitor only has hdmi and display port
[03:35] <wallyworld> hdmi works as well for me
[03:35] <thumper> the hdmi one is working at 4k
[03:35] <thumper> but adding a second isn't working
[03:36] <wallyworld> well don't bee so greedy then :-)
[03:36]  * thumper is greedy
[03:37] <wallyworld> thumper: did they commit to fixing their simple streams?
[03:37] <thumper> I believe so
[03:38] <thumper> let me get an email together summarising everything
[03:38] <wallyworld> righto
[03:38] <thumper> and have you, hatch and ant on the list
[04:03] <thumper> wallyworld: email sent
[04:03] <wallyworld> ty
[04:03] <wallyworld> thumper: so far, code doesn't look tooooo bad, but yet to look in detail at the http handlers in the api server
[04:05] <thumper> wallyworld: it may be best to look at my branch that I proposed
[04:05] <thumper> it should apply cleanly to old develop
[04:06] <wallyworld> yeah, just came to that realisation after reading hte email
[04:36] <tlm> wallyworld, hpidcock : is there a quick way to add engine report to the model command ?
[04:36] <wallyworld> yeah, just implement the Report() method
[04:37] <tlm> cheers wallyworld
[04:37] <wallyworld> there's examples lsewhere
[04:37] <wallyworld> let me know if it's not clear
[04:37] <tlm> ta
[04:56] <thumper> we need someone to take the latest facades schema from 2.8-rc1 and get it into pylibjuju
[04:57] <thumper> see issue #409 on github pylibjuju
[04:57] <thumper> unknown facade CAASAdmission
[05:00] <thumper> hpidcock: in order to rebuild juju-db, is it just hitting the jenkins job?
[05:01] <hpidcock> thumper: I can take a look at the pylibjuju
[05:01] <hpidcock> thumper: yes, then you need to manually promote the snaps on the store
[05:02] <hpidcock> what does it need building for?
[05:03] <thumper> hpidcock: outdated ubuntu packages
[05:03] <thumper> it seems that just rerunning the job won't notice any changes
[05:03] <wallyworld> the joy of snaps
[05:04] <hpidcock> we have a candidate off core18
[05:04] <thumper> it looks like it is just running off a timer
[05:04] <hpidcock> we have the 4.0.18 snap that hasn't been released yet
[05:04] <hpidcock> I built it last week
[05:05] <thumper> the email lists all the 4.0 tracks
[05:05] <thumper> stable separately from candidate/beta/edge
[05:05] <thumper> looks like some recent updates to libldap
[05:07] <hpidcock> thumper: so if I kick off a rebuild of 4.0.18 that should include the new package?
[05:12] <wallyworld> hpidcock: if you make libjuju changes, can we have it so that new juju facades do not cause a KeyError in libjuju. not sure if it's easy to do with current codebase. it was a mess. but we need to be able to add facades (and in this cases it's not even one a client api lib needs to use) without breaking libjuju
[05:13] <wallyworld> just as we don't break older juju cli
[05:13] <wallyworld> when we add new facades
[05:13] <hpidcock> wallyworld: I might just do that for now then. We can look at updating facades later
[05:13] <wallyworld> yeah, no issue with doing what's needed for 2.8 release
[05:13] <wallyworld> but a better fix needed for sure
[05:19] <thumper> hpidcock: if we force a rebuild of the snap, I think it gets the new deps, yes
[05:19] <hpidcock> ok I'll kick that off now, it will take around 3 hours, arm builders seem pretty slow
[05:35] <hpidcock> kicked off a new build of juju-db
[05:46] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: any luck with the init container retry on 137 error?
[05:46] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: still investigating, found a different problem
[05:46] <wallyworld> yay
[05:47] <kelvinliu> there are some weird things happening
[06:25] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: you need any help?
[06:25] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: ho?
[06:25] <kelvinliu> yes plz
[06:25] <wallyworld> sure
[06:29] <hpidcock> looks like pylibjuju just needs a release. Simon already fixed that issue
[06:30] <hpidcock> I'm not well versed in the release process for the python lib
[06:31] <wallyworld> hpidcock: i think kelvinliu has a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
[06:48] <kelvinliu> i don't have the pypi account access anymore.. because I lost my phone.
[06:49] <kelvinliu> I need setup a new account and gain the access again. Because pypi doesn't provide a way to find a lost account.
[08:10] <achilleasa> manadart: can you do a quick sanity check on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11557 before I get started with CI day?
[08:10] <manadart> achilleasa: Sure.
[11:31] <manadart> achilleasa: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11559
[11:33] <achilleasa> manadart: looking


[05:06] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  ok, i will check that case. I think I know what the problem is... a missing LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[05:11] <timaw> Hi, i'm trying to do an ajax call in a regular qml app through the regular javascript call XMLHttpRequest and am getting the error "UbuntuClipboard - Got invalid serialized mime data. Ignoring it."
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Create a Vacuum Day! 😃
[11:51] <DanChapman> balloons, ping
[14:19] <faenil> ahayzen: hey :)
[14:20] <ahayzen> o/
[14:20] <faenil> ahayzen: I know this comes with short notice, just an info: any chance you're going to be able to add the APL stuff before Monday
[14:20] <faenil> it's not a problem if you don't, just want to know if there's any change you'll do that, to plan accordingly ;)
[14:20] <faenil> chance*
[14:21] <ahayzen> probably unlikely
[14:21] <faenil> ok, cool :)
[14:21] <faenil> jounih says he replied to your email, if you need more info just get back to him, he's happy to help :)
[14:21] <ahayzen> yeah, when we get onto it we may have more questions
[14:22] <faenil> ahayzen: basically usertesting hasn't happened yet, so I wanted to know if there was a chance we would have the APL ready for usertesting
[14:22] <ahayzen> like from the designs we have and what i've interpreted, we wouldn't even be using APL anyway. As we need a sidebar that is permanent, which you couldn't do before with APL
[14:23] <faenil> ahayzen: mmm I see...
[14:23] <ahayzen> but before, i was going for a 3 column solution
[14:23] <faenil> yeah I've seen the previous one
[14:24] <ahayzen> first 2 using APL and the 3rd column being the static thing
[14:24] <ahayzen> but idk, not sure i like the idea of the songsview filling most of the screen
[14:24] <ahayzen> lots of wasted space
[14:38] <faenil> ahayzen: any ETA on when you expect to work on it, if I may ask?
[14:38] <ahayzen> faenil, not sure, whenever our current priority is done and inbetween courseworks :-)
[14:38] <faenil> ahayzen: approximately? :)
[14:39] <faenil> I don't know, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year :)
[14:39] <ahayzen> probably measured in weeks, maybe months
[14:39] <faenil> ahayzen: okay, thanks :)
[14:39] <ahayzen> we are usually very risk-adverse with our branches
[14:40] <ahayzen> but depends if one of us gets a block of a few days off, then could sprint though it :-) lol
[14:40] <faenil> ahayzen: hehe right :)
[14:40] <faenil> I think music app will be shown at MWC as well :D
[14:40] <ahayzen> yup :-)
[14:40] <faenil> or, well, people will use it :)
[16:42] <starrynight1959> is there a way to configure wifi as a wap on an iot device running snappy?
[18:34] <mrqtros> Hi all
[18:35] <mrqtros> alecu ping
[19:27] <alecu> hi mrqtros
[19:28] <mrqtros> alecu is there an ability to share from Scope?
[20:04] <mrqtros> alecu?
[20:05] <mrqtros> alecu Telegram scope allows to launch app, sharing should be much simplier
[20:06] <alecu> mrqtros: sorry, I'm not sure about that.
[20:06] <mrqtros> Does anybody know how to find Telegram scope sources?
[20:07] <mrqtros> alecu could you please tell me who can I ask about this?
[20:07] <davidcalle> mrqtros: it's in the telegram project on launchpad (the scope and the app share the same package iirc)
[20:07]  * davidcalle looks for the link
[20:08] <alecu> tedg: do you know if it's possible to do a "share" from within a scope?
[20:08] <davidcalle> mrqtros: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libqtelegram-team/telegram-app/telegram/files/head:/telegram/scope/ here you go
[20:09] <davidcalle> alecu, my 2c, unless there is a specific uri you can use, I don't think so, it's on the raodmap, though (as you probably know :D)
[20:10] <mrqtros> davidcalle thanks a lot!
[20:10] <davidcalle> mrqtros: anytime :)
[20:11] <alecu> davidcalle: actually, I'm not aware of how sharing works on the phone
[20:11] <mrqtros> davidcalle so sharing is in roadmap?
[20:11] <mrqtros> davidcalle something line "share://<content>" ?
[20:11] <mrqtros> davidcalle for now I have solution - just open link in browser and then use "Share" in browser
[20:12] <davidcalle> mrqtros: that's my dream, yeah, I don't know about the implementation details, but at least I'm pretty confident it's on the roadmap
[20:12] <mrqtros> davidcalle alecu thanks both!
[20:13] <davidcalle> mrqtros: good idea
[20:20] <tedg> alecu: I know that kenvandine was working on a URL for that
[20:20] <tedg> alecu: I want to say it was something like share://
[20:20] <tedg> Perhaps it was content hub.
[20:20] <alecu> thanks
[20:22] <tedg> Looking at url-dispatcher-dump on my phone it looks like it is: content://
[20:50] <tedg> kenvandine: Folks were asking about content:// URLs for scopes, is there a doc to point them to?
[20:51] <kenvandine> tedg, nope :)
[20:52] <tedg> Oh, I see, it's a secret!
[20:52] <kenvandine> undocumented feature :)
[20:52] <kenvandine> remember it only works with type=text and link
[20:52] <kenvandine> no files
[20:53] <tedg> kenvandine: What's the syntax? content://$(appid)?type=text ?
[20:53] <kenvandine>  content:?pkg=content-hub-test-importer&handler=export&text=text
[20:54] <davidcalle> kenvandine: so, text can be a link
[20:54] <tedg> alecu: davidcalle: ^
[20:54] <kenvandine> could be
[20:54] <davidcalle> ?
[20:54] <kenvandine> yes
[20:54] <davidcalle> Ok )
[20:54] <davidcalle> :)
[20:54] <kenvandine>  content:?pkg=$(appid)&text=http://www.ubuntu.com
[20:54] <tedg> In that case it'd be ….&link=http://foo.bar
[20:54] <tedg> Oh, still text
[20:54] <kenvandine> yeah... still text
[20:54] <kenvandine> sorry, i was mistaken :)
[20:55] <kenvandine> actually link= might work too
[20:55] <kenvandine> but they actually do the same thing, if it does work
[20:55] <tedg> This is a super secret feature
[20:55] <davidcalle> kenvandine: and content-hub-test-importer is a binary that invokes the content-hub?
[20:56] <davidcalle> binary/app/whatever :)
[20:56] <kenvandine> just text
[20:56] <kenvandine> davidcalle, yeah, you need he APP_ID there
[20:57] <kenvandine> anything ubuntu-app-launch can start
[21:11] <alecu> mrqtros: super secret features for your eyes only ^^^
[21:12] <alecu> tedg: kenvandine: davidcalle: thanks!
[21:14] <alecu> Oh, mrqtros is no longer here
[21:16] <maxvanceffer> Hi to all !!! Can somebody help me with the header component ?
[21:16] <maxvanceffer> How i can detemine it height in run time ?
[21:16] <maxvanceffer> from qml
[21:36] <maxvanceffer> nobody ?


[13:47] <esv> hello folks, is there a document that lists the characters allowed in shell script names, _ does not seem to be accepted, thx
[14:06] <esv> well, I just found out that I am indeed using a _ in one of my script names, I guess I'll need to check the customer's setup again
[23:28] <Nothing4You> is there a place where i can just drop a some presets inside an image? i'd imagine this would be vendor data (though the docs suggest this should not be used for truly essential stuff) but i can't find where i'd put that?
[23:29] <Nothing4You> i guess the essentials should probably be dropped in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d
[23:52] <minimal> Nothing4You: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html?highlight=vendor#scripts-vendor
[23:55] <Nothing4You> thanks


[00:00] <acerimmer> added 12.04 wallpapers @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserContributed#preview
[14:53] <artao> g'day mateys
[14:53] <artao> yar
[14:54] <artao> query: What's the purpose of having PulseAudio installed? i understand having ALA and JACK
[14:54] <artao> I ask because it seems PA is hijacking my keyboard volume knob .. it only controls PA volume, not system volume
[14:55] <artao> spent HOURS yesterday playing with LADI/JACK/MIDI apps .. SO fricken cool!!! :D thx for distributing this all set up and working together!!
[14:55] <artao> <3
[14:56] <artao> i really need to get my hands on an external USB keyboard/MIDI controller tho .. playing the computer keyboard is a skill unto its own
[14:57] <artao> i ask here 'cause I figure this whole ALSA/JACK/PA/MIDI setup is particular to US, and not applicable in Xubuntu or xfce IRC channels ..
[16:15] <XartaoX> hai
[16:15] <XartaoX> i'm the same guy as artao, just logged in now on my desktop .. on IRC on two machines, so i hafta have a different nick on this one
[16:16] <XartaoX> anyhow
[16:16] <XartaoX> about PulseAudio hijacking the volume knob on my keyboard ... can I fix this?
[16:16] <XartaoX> if so, how?
[16:16] <holstein> XartaoX: we have pulse installed because its arguably more "desktop" like to have pulse
[16:16] <holstein> lots of ubuntustudio users may not use audio/JACK or production
[16:17] <XartaoX> k
[16:17] <holstein> we are discussing maybe going ALSA only, but that will likely not be this cycle
[16:17] <holstein> there are several ways to address what you are trying to get at
[16:17] <holstein> first... you can strip pulse out
[16:17] <XartaoX> lay 'em on me :D
[16:18] <holstein> you could also work on mapping the keyboard shortcuts
[16:18] <holstein> you could also just open the mixer and deal with it
[16:18] <XartaoX> k. where?
[16:18] <holstein> XartaoX: you can do that several ways to
[16:18] <XartaoX> yeah, that's what I've been doing ... PITA
[16:18] <holstein> none of which are going to be "click here and type..."
[16:18] <holstein> you can put a custom xorg.conf in place
[16:18] <XartaoX> i guess partly i don't understand the diff. between PA and ALSA
[16:18] <holstein> you could also look into a differnet volume control
[16:18] <XartaoX> config files then
[16:19] <holstein> XartaoX: pulse is kind of like JACK
[16:19] <holstein> it runs ontop of ALSA
[16:19] <holstein> if you'ld like more explanation than that, you'll have to find a pulse dev
[16:19] <XartaoX> k
[16:19] <holstein> there are pulse audio channels
[16:19] <holstein> and also.. the #xubuntu channel
[16:20] <holstein> im not saying you cant hang here and ask, but if you are running the latest ubuntustudio, that is xubuntu pretty much
[16:20] <XartaoX> well ... i figure 'cause MS comes with all 3 together plus MIDI configured, it's best to ask in here :)
[16:20] <holstein> you can go to #xubuntu and say "my keyboard volume knobs are not doing what i want in XFCE "
[16:20] <holstein> XartaoX: MS?
[16:21] <XartaoX> i guess I'm mostly OK with PA being controlled by the keyboard vol. knob ... except that it only goes thru a VERY limited range of volume adjustment
[16:21] <XartaoX> barely makes any diff. actually, to the point of being near useless
[16:21] <XartaoX> MS .... sorry ...  ;) :P
[16:21] <holstein> XartaoX: sure.. but we (i) deal mostly with audio production
[16:22] <holstein> when i start JACK, pulse suspends, and i get to work :)
[16:22] <XartaoX> hunh
[16:22] <holstein> again, im not kicking you out, just trying to get you the help you need
[16:22] <XartaoX> when I start LADI, it shows BOTH PA and std. audio in and out nodes ...
[16:22] <XartaoX> i understand :) all good
[16:23] <holstein> right
[16:23] <holstein> thats new
[16:23] <holstein> im not using 11.10, nor do i plan to
[16:23] <holstein> i did test though, and im testing 12.04
[16:23] <holstein> i have no interest in pulseaudio in my audio workstation
[16:23] <XartaoX> when i download US, i didn't realize 11.10 was an intermediary release ... :(
[16:23] <holstein> but, its going to simplify a lot of things having it there
[16:24] <holstein> XartaoX: that ubuntu in general
[16:24] <holstein> 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS.. long term support
[16:24] <XartaoX> ah
[16:24] <holstein> they are not really 'intermediary' or 'testing'
[16:24] <XartaoX> will i have to completely re-install to move to 12.04 or will update 'just do it'
[16:24] <holstein> they are just arguably more experimental, and not supported as long
[16:25] <holstein> XartaoX: i usually test the upgrade to make sure its working on at least one machine, and then i do a fresh install
[16:25] <holstein> XartaoX: do what you like... will it upgrade? sure.. i find, best case an upgrade takes 5 hours
[16:25] <holstein> i can reinsall in like 20 minutes
[16:25] <XartaoX> whoa
[16:26] <holstein> OK.. i gotta run.. i have a concert in 30 minutes :)
[16:26] <XartaoX> cool
[16:26] <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians if you get lonely
[16:26] <XartaoX> have fun!! break a leg (or tooth, or finger) ;)
[18:17] <XartaoX> ummm
[18:17] <XartaoX> ok .. why can't i start bash?
[18:17] <astraljava> XartaoX: What are you doing, and can you pastebin any errors?
[18:17] <XartaoX> i chose 'run program' from the applications menu, entered bash, and nothing happened
[18:17] <astraljava> Oh.
[18:18] <astraljava> Yeah, that's something you run in a terminal.
[18:18] <XartaoX> i also tried bash from a terminal emulator, and nothing happened
[18:18] <astraljava> HEheh. :)
[18:18] <XartaoX> i thought bash opened a command line shell ?
[18:18] <astraljava> You had already bash running when you opened the terminal.
[18:18] <XartaoX> i've got term 0.4.8 runing
[18:19] <XartaoX> aha .. it does that automatically then?  I open a term I AM running bash?
[18:19] <astraljava> bash is the shell, without which you can't do anything in the terminal at all.
[18:19] <XartaoX> understood :D thx
[18:19] <astraljava> No worries.
[18:31] <XartaoX> can anyone recommend to me a VNC app I can use to connect to my win xp machine? it's running TightVNC, but it's my understanding that that matters not
[18:32] <XartaoX> support for dual-head is requred, as it's my media server and is hooked up to my TV as the second display
[18:34] <XartaoX> also, is Xinerama compatible with US ?
[18:37] <astraljava> XartaoX: Don't know about VNC, but if you get dual-head working in any other *buntu, you'll get it for Studio.
[18:37] <XartaoX> i've got dual head working, in extended mode, but I have to run grandr to reconfigure every time i reboot
[18:37] <XartaoX> which, to be fair, isn't often
[18:38] <XartaoX> ;)
[18:38] <XartaoX> on a related note .... when i went to sleep i set my machine to 'suspend', and when i woke up and tapped the spacebar it didn't come back up ... i had to reboot
[18:39] <XartaoX> should i use 'hibernate' instead? ... on win i just hit 'sleep'
[18:41] <astraljava> XartaoX: suspend/resume errors usually are due to usage of proprietary graphics/other drivers. Are you using some?
[18:41] <XartaoX> ummm ... don't think so
[18:42] <astraljava> XartaoX: Also, `apt-cache search vnc` gives a lot of hits, so experiment with anything there.
[18:42] <astraljava> XartaoX: Ok, let me find some info for debugging the problem.
[18:42] <XartaoX> i was JUST looking that stuff up ... I'm using the standard installed driver for ATI x600
[18:42] <astraljava> XartaoX: I'll also check out how to find the persistent settings with the usage of grandr, I presume it command xrandr in the back, but let's see.
[18:42] <XartaoX> NOT using the Catalyst driver (which, i learned, does NOT support the ATI x series)
[18:43] <XartaoX> re: vnc ... exactly LOTS of hits ... which one to choose?
[18:43] <XartaoX> ;) lol
[18:43] <astraljava> XartaoX: Have a go with this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[18:44] <XartaoX> ja, grandr is a graphical frontend to randr
[18:44] <XartaoX> thx
[18:45] <astraljava> XartaoX: Here is a good thread re: making [g|x]randr settings persistent: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112186
[18:46] <XartaoX> again, thx
[18:47] <XartaoX> hmmm ... i don't HAVE (or can't find) and xorg.conf
[18:48] <XartaoX> here's my directory for /etc/X11
[18:48] <XartaoX> freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls -l
[18:48] <XartaoX> total 72
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:38 app-defaults
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:37 cursors
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    18 2012-02-03 15:34 default-display-manager
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:33 fonts
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17394 2009-12-03 04:56 rgb.txt
[18:48] <XartaoX> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    13 2012-02-03 15:37 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:37 xinit
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2011-10-05 17:29 xkb
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   709 2010-04-01 06:19 Xreset
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xreset.d
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xresources
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  3730 2011-08-26 00:13 Xsession
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xsession.d
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   265 2008-07-01 12:41 Xsession.options
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   601 2012-02-03 15:34 Xwrapper.config
[18:48] <XartaoX> ererr .... ok, wide mode output
[18:48] <XartaoX> freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls
[18:48] <XartaoX> app-defaults             fonts    xinit   Xreset.d    Xsession.d
[18:48] <XartaoX> cursors                  rgb.txt  xkb     Xresources  Xsession.options
[18:48] <XartaoX> default-display-manager  X        Xreset  Xsession    Xwrapper.config
[18:48] <XartaoX> freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ^C
[18:49] <astraljava> Whee!
[18:49] <XartaoX> sorry
[18:49] <astraljava> !paste | XartaoX
[18:49] <XartaoX> aha
[18:49] <astraljava> There is no xorg.conf when the display settings are auto-probed.
[18:49] <XartaoX> aha
[18:49] <astraljava> But you can still create it, it'll be used if there is one.
[18:49] <XartaoX> aha!!
[18:51] <XartaoX> ... apparently gotta install pastebinit ... and it's done ...
[18:53] <XartaoX> ummmmmm ..... read the man page, read the --help .... soooooo .... how do i pastebinit  a few lines from my console?
[18:54] <XartaoX> would I do a " ls | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com " ???
[18:55] <XartaoX> and then it goes directly here?
[18:56] <astraljava> $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[18:56] <astraljava> http://paste.ubuntu.com/830434/
[18:57] <XartaoX> ok ... i did the command i asked about above, and it gave me an output of ...
[18:57] <XartaoX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/830435/
[18:58] <XartaoX> i seeee how that works now :D
[18:58] <XartaoX> learnin and learnin ;)
[18:59] <astraljava> Yep, seemed to work just fine.
[19:16] <XartaoX> hmmm ... arandr let me save my layout .... it saved it to $HOME/.screenlayout/arandr.output.sh
[19:17] <XartaoX> the filename is my own ... arandr added the .sh
[19:17] <XartaoX> will THAT set my desktop to dual head extended display on reboot?
[19:17] <XartaoX> i'm confused .. XD
[19:18] <XartaoX> grandr won't let me save anything, just change it ... ... i just now read that grandr is meant for a gnome environment
[19:18] <XartaoX> however, i remember i tried arandr before grandr, and it wouldn't let me drag my secondary display away from my primary
[19:19] <XartaoX> AFTER using grandr to set my dual-head to extended mode, i can now drag my screens around just fine in arandr
[19:19] <XartaoX> XD
[19:19] <XartaoX> !!! XD !!!!
[19:21] <astraljava> I have a script I run everytime my extended monitor is connected, so yes, I would assume that one is like it. However, I just experimented with xrandr myself, so am not sure what output arandr gives ya. Of course, you could pastebinit.
[19:28] <XartaoX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/830465/
[19:29] <XartaoX> i DO however notice there's nothing in there regarding refresh rate ... my primary monitor can do 75Hz at 1280x1024 .. the secondary only 60Hz at the same rez
[19:30] <XartaoX> that's a VERY minor concern tho
[19:38] <astraljava> I somehow seem to recall only CRTs being pickier about refresh rates. Could be wrong, though.
[19:39] <XartaoX> ja ... the 60Hz one is an older CRT (viewsonic A70) .. my primary is an LCD
[19:40] <XartaoX> crts can be damaged irreparably by setting the refresh too high
[19:40] <astraljava> Right.
[19:42] <astraljava> $ xrandr --help
[19:42] <astraljava> usage: xrandr [options] where options are:
 -r <rate> or --rate <rate> or --refresh <rate>
[19:42] <astraljava> Weird, where did the extra linefeeds go?
[19:43] <astraljava> Well anyway, -r or --rate or --refresh  are the options for setting the refresh rates.
[20:02] <XartaoX> ok ... I'm working on getting my computer to come out of suspend via usb keyboard or mouse
[20:02] <XartaoX> i've gotten as far as reading /proc/acpi/wakeup
[20:03] <XartaoX> i tried echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup ... permission denied
[20:03] <XartaoX> i tried the same command prepended with sudo ... permission denied
 how do i get permission to alter this file?
[20:05] <XartaoX> ummmm ... does US not include a simple GUI text editor?
[20:06] <holstein> XartaoX: ?
[20:07] <holstein> gedit *was* in there
[20:07] <holstein> leafpad is xubuntu's text editor AFAIK
[20:07] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gedit
[20:07] <holstein> gksudo gedit /proc/acpi/wakeup
[20:09] <holstein> we are looking at GUI and CLI text editors in 12.04 to make sure they are there and they work
[20:20] <astraljava> Yep, 11.10 was missing a GUI editor, IIRC.
[20:22] <astraljava> XartaoX: prepending `echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup` doesn't work, as sudo only affects the `echo FOO` part, not the redirection. You should use `echo FOO | sudo tee -a BAZ`, or get to a root prompt with `sudo -i`.
[20:22] <astraljava> XartaoX: But beware, with root privileges, you can do a lot of damage if not being careful.
[20:23] <astraljava> So, double, or better yet, triple-check everything you're about to do.
[20:23] <holstein> yeah. sudo undo doesnt work in most cases ;)
[20:26] <XartaoX> i c
[20:27] <astraljava> Would be an interesting concept, implementing undo in bash. :)
[20:27] <XartaoX> and i back out of root prompt with 'exit' ?
[20:27] <astraljava> Yes, or Ctrl + D.
[20:28] <XartaoX> cool. that worked. now to see if i can come out of suspend with kb or mouse
[20:28] <XartaoX> brb
[20:28] <XartaoX> hopefully ;)
[20:34] <artao> nope
[20:34] <artao> no wake up
[20:34] <artao> gotta reboot
?
[20:35] <holstein> with linux, you really hae to choose your battles :)
[20:35] <holstein> have*
[20:36] <artao> i enabled USB0 thru USB3
[20:36] <artao> i'll just try to enable everything
[20:36] <artao> i really really kinda need suspend ... well .. 'need' ... strongly desire let's say ;)
[20:37] <holstein> well, you have suspend, you just really want it to wakd up via USB
[20:37] <holstein> i would check the bios
[20:38] <artao> it's worked prior to instaling US fine .. even runing off Live USB or dvd
[20:38] <artao> so it ain't the BIOS
[20:38] <holstein> with XFCE?
[20:38] <holstein> maybe thats the deal.. if you are new to XFCE
[20:38] <holstein> again, i would be asking in #xubuntu.. those guys are great
[20:40] <astraljava> Seconded.
[20:40] <artao> k
[20:40] <artao> hmmm ... not with xfce i guess
[20:40] <XartaoX> so i'll ask over in #xubuntu
[20:40] <XartaoX> :D
[20:41] <XartaoX> AND I'll continue reading the "how to debug suspend" linky y'allz gave me earlier
[20:41] <XartaoX> :D
[20:42] <XartaoX> ... i guess full reboot really IS pretty quick
[20:42] <XartaoX> also, it turns out i CAN change my scree layout with arandr ... ... as well as grandr
[20:42] <XartaoX> arandr lets me save settings tho
[20:43] <XartaoX> now i just need to get the system to USE those settings on reboot


[16:31] <hggdh> ^ added
[22:27] <Unit193> !eoan
[22:27] <Unit193> :D
[22:27] <dax> !-eoan
[22:27] <dax> !-19.10
[22:27] <dax> go me
[22:27] <dax> ubottu: !19.10 =~ s/buntu/Ubuntu/
[22:28] <Unit193> Or lost in the edit.
[22:28] <dax> !eoan
[23:18] <hggdh> prolly lost in my edit. I have a post-grad title on messing up edits
[23:19] <hggdh> yep. Checked the log. Dax is absolutely innocent in this one
[23:19] <dax> \o/
[23:20] <hggdh> :-)
[23:22] <hggdh> BTW, about the bootlog. I successfully restrained from adding a "!grootlot is <reply> I am Groot". But barely.


[03:35] <micahg> persia: I just discovered there's a bug already for the Java build-dep circle of hades
[07:39] <micahg> \sh: good morning
[07:56] <\sh> hey micahg :) Good morning to you too :)
[07:57] <micahg> \sh: hi, I was wondering if we wanted to backport Doctrine and Dojo to the ZF PPA
[07:57] <\sh> micahg: go ahead :) when it's needed for ZF why not :)
[07:58] <micahg> \sh: k, dojo is in the archive, Doctrine will get into Natty on auto-sync and then I'll request and official backport to Lucid and Maverick
[07:59] <\sh> micahg: sounds good to me :)
[07:59] <micahg> \sh: k, now I just need to find time to do it :), maybe after Maverick is closed
[12:40] <micahg> thanks tumbleweed
[12:40] <tumbleweed> micahg: np
[13:33] <highvoltage> moo2all
[14:31] <hrw> hi
[15:48] <RainCT> Hey didrocks. I see you've already noticed the bug :)
[15:48] <didrocks> RainCT: sure I see everything :D
[15:49] <didrocks> (strong laugh)
[15:49] <didrocks> RainCT: just updating zg btw
[15:49] <didrocks> RainCT: can't make it easily and reliably restarting in the session nevertheless, will have a look for natty
[15:50] <hrw> are universe packages also frozen now?
[15:51] <RainCT> didrocks: Yeah, 0.6 will be able to restart 0.5.2, but not now since the currently installed one doesn't support it. (if that's what you mean)
[15:51] <didrocks> RainCT: yeah, that's what I meant
[15:51] <didrocks> RainCT: just uploading now, thanks!
[15:52] <RainCT> However for gnome-activity-journal it can force a ">= 0.5.2~" Zeitgeist dependency so that it can restart it to get the extension picked up
[15:52] <RainCT> didrocks: Cool, you rock :)
[15:53] <didrocks> RainCT: :)
[15:53] <didrocks> RainCT: thanks for the release!
[16:03] <tumbleweed> micahg: looks like that gnome-shell SRU still won't build: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56582520/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.gnome-shell_2.28.1~git20091125-1ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:01] <micahg> tumbleweed: :(, I'll have a look later
[20:08] <AnAnt> Hello, what's wrong with launchpad bug reporting ?!
[20:08] <AnAnt> I try to report a bug against the kernel using: ubuntu-bug linux
[20:09] <AnAnt> so after I get asked the apport questions, apport *decides* that my bug has already been reported as bug #<whatever>
[20:10] <AnAnt> I'm not sure wether it's apport or launchpad that is messing up !
[20:10] <Pici> Does the bug look like it matches?
[20:11] <sladen> Use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug   and then run  apport-collect NNNNNN from the one you just filed
[20:11] <SpamapS> hrm, not ScottK..
[20:11] <SpamapS> s/not/no/
[20:11] <sladen> angelabad: however, the apport rules are manually created to spot cases when an issue has already been reported
[20:11] <AnAnt> sladen: thanks
[20:12] <sladen> AnAnt: so in your bug report please mention /why/ you believe that it is not the other bug report
[20:13] <AnAnt> sladen: so it is apport that decided that this is the same report ?
[20:15] <sladen> AnAnt: based on the symptons (eg. a stacktrace)
[20:18] <AnAnt> sladen: done: LP #649213
[20:18] <AnAnt> & thanks
[20:20] <sladen> AnAnt: please can you explain in that URL why you believe that it is not the originally deteced bug
[20:21] <AnAnt> sladen: does it need explanation ? I am not reporting kernel oopses
[20:22] <sladen> AnAnt: what you are seeing "my machine doesn't hibernate" is caused by some low-level bug. "The butterfly in Africa flapping its wings causes a Hurricane in Japan"
[20:23] <AnAnt> huh ?
[20:23]  * AnAnt scratches his head
[21:03] <SpamapS> ScottK: ping.. mtaylor is uploading drizzle to mentors.debian.net and expects relatively quick sponsorship into sid. I've built and tested it on a maverick ec2 node, all is well. Can we get it into maverick today if the sid upload goes well?
[21:04] <ScottK> SpamapS: Sure, but since it's not on an ISO, the RC freeze stuff doesn't affect things.
[21:04] <ScottK> There's not a huge rush.
[21:04] <SpamapS> ScottK: I wasn't sure, so I figured we'd push for today. :)
[21:04] <ScottK> Sooner is better.
[21:05] <SpamapS> indeed
[21:05] <ScottK> Correct is better than sooner for a small definition of sooner.


[00:02] <pleia2> dinda: that reminds me, I'm meeting up with some folks from partimus.org this weekend, they've deployed Ubuntu is something like 6 public schools in the bay area (wow!)
[00:03] <dinda> pleia2: that's great!  I just set up a new dimdim account to use to hold some teacher training  sessions this summer
[00:05] <pleia2> dinda: oh neat
[00:33] <doctormo> Gotta find out how they did that pleia2
[00:35] <pleia2> doctormo: that's part of what I'm looking in to, they haven't done a great job of documenting things so I'll be documenting, getting some best practices and helping them with publicity and recruitment (plus pitching in sysadmin skills and on-site work as I can)
[00:35] <pleia2> partimus.org is kinda sparse info-wise, the project is vibrant but they're all too busy doing amazing things to tell anyone :)
[00:37] <doctormo> pleia2: Typical really :-D
[00:37]  * pleia2 nods
[00:38] <JFo> anyone know where the list of bugs filed against the erroneous ubuntu package live? I want to gather some kernel bugs out of there
[00:38] <JFo> I've been told there are tons
[03:58] <nigelb> doctormo: poke
[03:59] <doctormo> nigelb: facebook poke
[03:59] <nigelb> doctormo: can you take a class at ubuntu user day?
[03:59] <doctormo> what would you have me teach?
[03:59] <nigelb> I topic is right up your alley, "Getting involved in the Ubuntu Community", with focus to new users
[03:59] <nigelb> so its like how to get in touch with the community resources that you can use
[04:00] <nigelb> and how to be one of them
[04:00] <nigelb> doctormo: sounds like something you want to do for 1 hour on July 10th?
[04:01] <pleia2> at 16:00 or 21:00 UTC
[04:01] <doctormo> nigelb: I'm a programmer and artist,
[04:01] <nigelb> doctormo: you're also a loco contact
[04:02]  * nigelb begs
[04:02] <pleia2> no need to be, I'm sure there are others who would be happy to do it :)
[04:02] <nigelb> well, it is doctormo :)
[04:03] <pleia2> hehe
[04:03] <doctormo> lol
[04:04] <nigelb> doctormo: so whats your final call, yes or no?
[04:05] <doctormo> nigelb: I'll do it, although the topic is rather generic, do you have a page written by the last guy who did it?
[04:05] <pleia2> doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01232010/GettingInvolved
[04:26] <doctormo> thanks pleia2
[04:29] <doctormo> nigelb: OK I've put in a whole bunch of alarms
[04:29] <doctormo> so I don't forget
[04:29] <nigelb> doctormo: Thanks for helping out :)
[04:30] <doctormo> nigelb: Will collect in beer at next UDS ;-P
[04:30] <pleia2> doctormo: what time is best for you? (currently we have the class at 16:00 UTC, but 21:00 is possible too
[04:30] <nigelb> doctormo: sure :D
[04:30] <jcastro> nigelb: blog post done!
[04:30] <doctormo> The time is set already
[04:30] <nigelb> jcastro: yay, thank you!
[04:31] <nigelb> jcastro: hows tumblr so far?
[04:31] <jcastro> I like it
[04:31] <jcastro> much simpler than wordpress
[04:31] <jcastro> it's basically just a text box
[04:32] <nigelb> I might move to something simpler
[04:51] <doctormo> pleia2: ping
[04:51] <pleia2> doctormo: hey
[04:51] <doctormo> pleia2: Did I ever show you this kick ass systems admin image I did _ages_ ago: http://imagebin.ca/view/RwzVAd.html
[04:51] <doctormo> I found it digging up images for paultag
[04:52] <pleia2> doctormo: haha, that's great!
[04:52] <doctormo> pleia2: I'll take that as a no :-D
[04:53] <pleia2> yeah, never saw it :)
[04:53] <doctormo> The shading is very incomplete and I feel red faced about the quality, but it still looks bad-ass to me.
[06:38] <AlanBell> doctormo: that is full of awesome. Inkscape?
[06:38] <doctormo> AlanBell: yes
[06:38] <nigelbabu> what? where?
[06:39] <AlanBell> link 10 lines above this nigelbabu
[06:39] <nigelbabu> gah, not in the nigelb session
[06:40] <AlanBell> http://imagebin.ca/view/RwzVAd.html
[06:44] <AlanBell> looks a bit like Sarah Palin, but more intelligent
[06:48] <doctormo> AlanBell: If sarah had taken up engeneering instead of shooting?
[07:18] <nigelbabu> popey: heya, next UUD is around the corner.  Do you want to try doing a session this time around?
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <dpm> morning all
[08:10] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[08:10] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[08:11] <czajkowski> dpm: moring hows things?
[08:13] <dholbach> hey dpm, hey czajkowski
[08:13] <dpm> things are good, happy to see it has cooled down here. We had really warm days lately, really too warm. How about you?
[08:13] <dpm> morgen dholbach!
[08:14] <dholbach> 22°C, millions of things to do, still one talk to prepare for Saturday :)
[08:14] <dpm> :)
[08:15] <dpm> well, that's already 66% of the talks prepared already!
[08:15] <dholbach> :)
[08:16] <czajkowski> dpm: we have rain, care to swap ;p
[08:17] <dpm> hmmm, actually I'm fine. I would have swapped a week ago, though :)
[08:19] <czajkowski> smart :)
[08:19] <dpm> :)
[08:19] <czajkowski> dholbach: is your to do list getting any smaller?
[08:20] <dholbach> czajkowski: not really :)
[08:20] <dholbach> but at least there's a bunch of stuff where I still have all the cycle to do them :)
[08:20] <czajkowski> not so bad so
[08:22] <nigelbabu> heya dpm,  czajkowski
[08:22] <nigelbabu> morning!
[08:23] <dpm> morning nigelbabu :)
[08:36] <dholbach> ara: I thought you were on the road already! :)
[08:37] <ara> dholbach, this afternoon :-)
[08:37] <dholbach> ahhhhh, gotcha
[08:37] <dholbach> ara: I was talking to a friend yesterday who made Berlin → Gibraltar in three days, but they did quite a bit of night-driving :)
[08:38] <ara> dholbach, we prefer 4 and sleeping a bit :D
[08:38] <dholbach> I totally see what you mean :)
[08:40] <dholbach> I'm working from home today and it's getting hot in this room already, then rhythmbox decided to pick "thank god it's christmas" - slightly weird
[08:42] <czajkowski> hah that is weird
[08:45] <czajkowski> http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Why-open-source-developers-should-thank-Apple-1018783.html pretty good article
[09:16] <popey> \o/ christmas!
[09:16]  * popey hangs out the decorations
[09:17]  * dholbach hugs popey
[09:17]  * czajkowski gaffa tapes popey up- NO
[09:19] <jussi> christmas in july... awesome :D
[09:19] <dholbach> that's like living in Australia
[09:19] <dholbach> ;-)
[09:19] <jussi> yup
[09:20]  * jussi is still hunting for perl coders if someone has some skills...
[09:20] <jussi> oh crap, Im late. see you all.
[09:41] <dholbach> hola randa_
[09:43] <randa_> hey dholbach, how are you
[09:43] <dholbach> good good - how 'bout you? :)
[11:35] <nigelbabu> jussi: I suggest blogging on planet.  Last time I got stuck with code, got help that way
[11:36] <jussi> nigelbabu: good point, I shall do that. Im looking for people to help freenode, and thereby the IRCC, with the new group management system.
[11:36] <jussi> some of the features we are after: http://paste.ubuntu.com/443808/
[11:38] <nigelbabu> jussi: I know.  I tried to help, but i know too little about irc protocol
[11:39] <nigelbabu> popey: poke, re: uud
[11:39] <jussi> nigelbabu: thanks for trying in any case
[11:40] <nigelbabu> jussi: I might try again for helping with design later on
[11:40] <nigelbabu> probably after m cycle is over and patch review stuff is mostly done
[11:41] <jussi> nigelbabu: Im hoping we get some stuff done this cycle
[11:41] <nigelbabu> jussi: Also, ask uupc to broadcast the call for help ;)
[11:41] <jussi> uupc?
[11:43] <nigelbabu> ubuntu uk podcast
[11:43] <nigelbabu> I'm sure a fair number of people listen to it, someone's got to be a perl coder
[11:44] <nigelbabu> jussi: Meanwhile, try bribing elly :D
[11:44] <jussi> lol
[11:44] <jussi> yeah, Ill try that also
[11:44] <jussi> :D
[11:45] <popey> nigelbabu: you know the email address :)
[11:46] <popey> nigelbabu: we get about 6000 downloads between each episode
[11:46] <popey> dunno how many listen :)
[11:46] <jussi> popey: you are part of uupc right?
[11:46] <popey> yes
[11:47] <nigelbabu> popey: I already mailed! This is for jussi :)
[11:47] <popey> yeah, i know
[11:47] <jussi> popey: whats the proceedure if I want to get the word out about the gms coding?
[11:47] <popey> hence the smiley
[11:47] <nigelbabu> popey: the uud poke was whether you'd want to take a class
[11:47] <popey> jussi: email the show<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:47] <jussi> popey: ok, will do. thanks :)
[11:48] <nigelbabu> popey: when is next episode?
[11:48] <popey> two weeks today
[11:48] <nigelbabu> popey: ok, I'll send you folks more mails ;)
[11:48] <popey> not sure about uud
[11:48] <popey> when is it?
[11:49] <nigelbabu> July 10th
[11:49] <nigelbabu> (the weekend before my birthday :D)
[11:51] <nigelbabu> Interesting read about apple and how they've benefited open source http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Why-open-source-developers-should-thank-Apple-1018783.html
[12:00] <jussi> nigelbabu: lol czajkowski posted that already
[12:01] <Pendulum> speaking of czajkowski, she did a nice interview on Ubuntu for an Irish tech podcast :)
[12:03] <nigelbabu> jussi: she's fast ;)
[12:05] <JanC> the part about Apple bringing more freedom about what applications to install on mobile phones is actually backwards in Belgium though; in the past you could install whatever you wanted on phones that supported installing apps, Apple (and probably blackberry?) were the first to restrict what you can install on their phone...
[12:08] <JanC> it's forbidden to lock a phone to only work with one carrier here, so carriers couldn't really control anything--unfortunately that law got relaxed under pressure from... Apple
[12:08] <jussi> :(
[12:09] <JanC> the iPhone looked less attractive when people see the real price of it, I guess  ;)
[12:18] <nigelbabu> I'm happy with a cellphone that makes calls and send messages
[12:18] <nigelbabu> thats all I want with a phone and it caters to it well
[12:34] <czajkowski> Pendulum: oi :p
[12:38] <Pendulum> czajkowski: people keep ignoring me when I mention it. You're the only one who notices :P
[12:39] <czajkowski> Pendulum: highligh name
[12:39] <Pendulum> I know
[12:39] <Pendulum> but I meant more that it's not doing any harm since no one has asked for a link yet :P
[12:40] <czajkowski> :)
[12:40] <AlanBell> link please
[12:42] <Pendulum> AlanBell: http://www.pcliveradio.ie/ubuntu-and-more/
[12:43] <Pendulum> now czajkowski can smack me when she sees me next
[12:46]  * AlanBell listens
[12:50] <AlanBell> starts 6:30 in
[12:54] <AlanBell> it is very good
[12:59] <AlanBell> excellent in fact
[13:02] <popey> jcastro, someone has suggested to me that the latest UUPC needs subtitles :)
[13:02] <popey> (a brit, obviously)
[16:26] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow!
[16:36] <nigelb> popey: I feel all uupc's need subtitles except the last one.  I just abuot make out the british accents
[16:37] <czajkowski> I've not listened to this new episode, whos accent is the issue?
[16:37] <nigelb> jorge and jfo :D
[16:38] <nigelb> probaly jfo's southern accent is difficult for british to understand
[16:38] <popey> pffft
[16:38] <popey> we dont have accents
[16:38] <popey> it's all you lot that do :)
[16:39] <nigelb> haha
[16:39] <czajkowski> heh
[16:39] <czajkowski> so true
[16:42] <JFo> :)
[16:46] <greg-g> oh JFo did you find out where to get the bugs that weren't reported against a package?
[16:46] <JFo> greg-g, nope :)
[16:46] <nigelb> czajkowski: I can make out what you say better than the uupc folks, only some of the words/phrases/sentences don't make sense to me
[16:47] <JFo> greg-g, but I'd love to
[16:47] <greg-g> JFo: http://ur1.ca/06jj8
[16:47] <greg-g> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[16:47] <czajkowski> nigelb: :)
[16:48] <JFo> thanks much greg-g :)
[16:48] <greg-g> JFo: is that what you were looking for?
[16:48] <JFo> I believe so
[16:48] <greg-g> awesome, glad I could help
[16:49] <JFo> me too :)
[18:26] <jussi> oooh, nice article from cory doctorow: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/10/ubuntu-lucid-lynx-fe.html
[18:47] <bencrisford> jussi: :D
[18:52] <jcastro> hah
[18:52] <jcastro> check out the comments
[18:52] <jcastro> "How in the hell did you get your multifunction mouse working? X doesn't support any more than the standard buttons"
[18:57] <doctormo> jcastro: heh, since I'm using a mouse with 5 buttons that also doubles as a tablet and it works without any mods....
[18:58] <qense> If hardware works good on Linux, and it does that more and more these days, it works splendidly awesome, often better than on other OSes I won't name.
[18:58] <nigelb> jcastro: that comment was sane, not random attack or anything ;)
[18:58] <nigelb> qense: heya
[18:59] <nigelb> qense: are you interested in taking a class for ubuntu user days on July 10th?
[19:00] <qense> nigelb: That is the first Saturday of my summer holiday!
[19:01] <qense> I think I'll have some time that day.
[19:01] <qense> nigelb: What do you want me to teach?
[19:01] <nigelb> qense: yay \o/
[19:01] <nigelb> qense: "Package Management Basics"
[19:01] <qense> aargh
[19:01] <doctormo> nigelb: lol
[19:01] <nigelb> lol, its about installing packages for newbies to ubuntu, not packaging
[19:01] <qense> phew
[19:02] <qense> I now the basics of the basics of packaging, so I'm not suitable for teaching packaging.
[19:02] <qense> know
[19:02] <nigelb> like, trusted sources, ppas, and random debs that you find lying around (not to trust them), etc
[19:02] <nigelb> qense: here's what we have now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/lucid
[19:02] <nigelb> can you pick a time you like, going early is fine I think, if 0300 is too late :D
[19:03] <qense> 3:00 GMT? That would be 5:00 my time
[19:03] <qense> What is the session "Trusted Software, Where to find it, and why" about?
[19:04] <qense> nigelb: I'm in CEST, which is UTC+2
[19:04] <nigelb> qense: arg, hold on.  lemme find what package management basics is about
[19:05] <nigelb> qense: this is what its all about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01232010/PackageManagementBasics
[19:05] <doctormo> qense, nigelb: not sure if this will be useful: http://doctormo.org/2009/08/06/systems-administration-package-management/
[19:06]  * nigelb hugs doctormo
[19:07] <doctormo> nigelb: This is why we wanted to write course material :-P
[19:07] <nigelb> qense: does 10 am UTC soud ok?
[19:08] <jcastro> oh no
[19:08] <jcastro> jono's on a plane
[19:08] <jcastro> you guys know what that means, expect inbox fury
[19:09] <nigelb> haha
[19:10] <qense> nigelb: That is doable. :)
[19:10] <nigelb> qense: yay!
[19:11] <qense> Glad I can help.
[19:12] <jono> jcastro, lol
[19:13] <qense> Internet on a plane? Are you spending Canonical's valuable money on not-dirt-cheap air carrier?
[19:13] <nigelb> jcastro: lesson 1 at talking behind your boss' back, make sure he's not around :D
[19:13] <qense> or don't ping him
[19:14] <qense> or don't talk about him in PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNELS
[19:14] <jono> qense, Delta
[19:14] <jono> hah, my team are pretty up front with how they read me, which is awesome
[19:14] <qense> That doesn't sound hideously expensive, but not too Toepolev as well.
[19:14] <jono> gotta manage your manager
[19:14] <qense> Sometimes you just have to be tough to your manager, otherwise he will never learn to listen to you.
[19:15]  * nigelb googles that word with T
[19:15] <jono> qense, *cough* https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperStackTour *cough*
[19:16] <jcastro> hah, told you guys!
[19:16] <nigelb> jono: thanks for sending bobbo our way
[19:16] <nigelb> this one week as been *awesome*
[19:16] <jcastro> yes indeed, I can't believe he did all that in a week
[19:16] <qense> jono: I know! But suddenly I discovered what huge todo-lists procrastination gives you now school is ending and several essays wait to be written and a test week is coming near. But that's no excuse for being late, I'm working on it!
[19:17] <jono> nigelb, no worries, thanks need to go to bobbo though :)
[19:17] <nigelb> jono: it will go there once he stops spamming the planet :D
[19:17] <qense> and there was this school trip to a sunny island
[19:17] <jono> qense, no worries, it didn't take me long to write mine - about 20mins max
[19:17] <qense> jono: What is your deadline?
[19:17] <jono> nigelb, hehe
[19:18] <qense> The date you actually start getting mad at me?
[19:18] <jono> qense, well I wanted it completed last week - but could you complete by the end of tomorrow?
[19:18] <nigelb> seriously though, I'll write it on a weekly report that we plan to write every monday
[19:18] <jono> nigelb, sweet!
[19:18] <qense> Tjono: that should be possible. Sorry for making you miss the other deadline.
[19:18] <jono> lets see if we can get some more work experience folks :)
[19:18] <jono> qense, no worries! dude, you are a volunteer, its cool :)
[19:18] <qense> ok! :)
[19:18] <nigelb> jono, jcastro : If you've not seen http://bobbo.me.uk/index.php/planet-ubuntu/operation-cleansweep-day-four-update, please see and add counter to blogs :)
[19:18] <jcastro> qense: can you get me a pony too?
[19:18] <jono> I just wanted to put a very small version of me on shoulder that whispers in your ear
[19:19] <jono> nigelb, yeah, that is awesome
[19:19] <jono> I just tweeted it
[19:19] <jono> we need the counter to link to the cleansweep page though
[19:19] <qense> jcastro: I could draw you one.
[19:21] <doctormo> jono: maybe we should make mini-jono a quickly app.
[19:21] <jcastro> yes, it could fire off random metal riffs throughout the day
[19:22] <nigelb> jono: its already there.  bobbo is awesome ;)
[19:22] <nigelb> jcastro: and floods mailboxes :D
[19:23] <qense> I've subscribed to so many source packages and mailing lists that I think I feel a bit of the pain what it's like to be famous and have your mail address out in the public at the same time. So many mails and so many useless ones!
[19:23] <qense> imagine that some people get that many useFULL ones!
[19:24] <jono> nigelb, the link is there?
[19:24] <jono> doctormo, lol
[19:24] <nigelb> jono: the script and a static picture is there :)
[19:29] <jono> nigelb, but when I click on the widget at http://bobbo.me.uk/index.php/planet-ubuntu/operation-cleansweep-day-four-update it does not link me to the cleansweep getting started page
[19:29] <jono> and the fragment doesnt include a link either
[19:29] <nigelb> jono: what link?
[19:29] <jono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperationCleansweep
[19:30] <jono> ideally when someone sees the widget they can click on it and go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperationCleansweep
[19:30] <nigelb> jono: ah, I'll poke dholbach about it :)
[19:30] <jono> thanks :)
[19:30] <nigelb> 26
[19:30] <jono> I will blog it today
[19:30] <nigelb> grr, irssi
[19:34] <doctormo> I may disapear from irc, my irc client konversation is being revaluated since It was removed in last nights upgrade.
[19:35] <jono> doctormo, np
[19:43] <qense> doctormo: Are you running Maverick or what?
[19:47] <cjohnston> czajkowski: im getting ready to reply to the loco-directory email.. what do you want me to change the title to? ;-)
[19:57] <jono> akgraner, what is the SELF hashtag?
[20:00] <cjohnston> #SELinuxfest iirc
[20:05] <akgraner> jono, what cjohnston said :-)
[20:06] <Pendulum> I have the World Cup kick off concert on in the background and the song currently being performed is about Africa and had a line about "the spirit of ubuntu"
[20:06] <jono> thanks
[20:06] <akgraner> jono, you and pgraner seem to always get the flights with wifi :-P
[20:07] <jono> akgraner, yeah, we are lucky
[20:07] <jono> :)
[20:08] <nigelb> Pendulum: WOW
[20:09] <Pendulum> nigelb: well it's not that surprising
[20:09] <jono> greg-g, ping?
[20:09] <greg-g> jono: pong
[20:09] <nigelb> I can't watch the football at all :/ stupid TZ
[20:09] <cjohnston> I dont ever get a flight with wifi
[20:10] <cjohnston> or if so its a one hour flight and they want 50$
[20:10] <jono> greg-g, did you see http://www.severedfifth.com/2010/06/10/severed-fifth-in-video-soundtracks/ - great example of Creative Commons empowering people
[20:10] <jono> mind blogging it?
[20:10] <Pendulum> nigelb: there is no fottball in this, just music
[20:12] <greg-g> jono: nice! I hadn't
[20:12] <greg-g> jono: I'll try to get to that tonight
[20:12] <jono> thanks greg-g
[20:12] <nigelb> Pendulum: ah
[20:12] <jono> I think these kinds of use cases are cool to share
[20:14] <Pendulum> nigelb: although now we've got Desmond Tutu wearing a football jersey
[20:15] <nigelb> Pendulum: hahahaha
[20:19] <jcastro> nigelb: jono: I think the patch review thing should be a little meter on all of planet
[20:19] <jcastro> like how GNOME did with the fundraising
[20:20] <nigelb> jcastro: thats a worthy idea!
[20:20] <nigelb> jcastro: can you make it happen? ;))
[20:21] <jono> jcastro, agreed
[20:21] <jono> lets get it hyperlinked and then could you take care of getting it on there?
[20:21] <nigelb> 37
[20:21] <nigelb> grr
[20:22] <nigelb> jcastro: I can get the hyperlink done and talk to you tomorrow, so you can talk to sysadmins
[20:22] <jono> jcastro, perfect, thanks
[20:23] <jcastro> I don't know how I'd get it on there, but I can look into it
[20:23] <jcastro> they had a slicker slider that would look better on planet I think
[20:23]  * jcastro goes to look for it
[20:24] <jono> cheers
[20:26] <jcastro> do we need to have a discussion with anyone about putting something like that on planet?
[20:27] <jcastro> hmm, you know what, nm, I'll JFDI it
[20:45] <tsimpson> jono: about the privacy issue thing, we already do give an entry message when you join #ubuntu and #kubuntu (though we should set one for the other core channels)
[20:45] <tsimpson> for instance, when you join #ubuntu ChanServ sends you this notice: "[#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there - This channel is officially logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/"
[20:47] <jono> tsimpson, lets talk in msg
[20:47] <tsimpson> sure
[20:47] <qense> good night everyone!
[20:50] <jono> ok folks, about to touch down in Atlanta
[20:50] <jono> back in a bit
[20:50] <jcastro> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1187037/planet-ruler.png
[20:50] <jcastro> yeah!
[20:50] <jcastro> like that jono ^^^
[20:51] <jono> jcastro, I think so
[20:51] <jono> lets do it
[20:51] <jono> lets have a featured project in there
[20:51] <jono> biab
[20:51] <jcastro> yeah, I have to get the code from lucas
[20:54] <czajkowski> cjohnston: i will throttle you
[20:58] <Pendulum> czajkowski: what'd he do?
[20:58] <czajkowski> he threatened to change a subject thread


[08:06] <gotwig> hey
[08:08] <gotwig> scope devs here?
[08:47] <tsdgeos> should i need to restart unity after changing the "key to show hud"?
[08:53] <gotwig> tsdgeos: yes
[08:54] <tsdgeos> doesn't work here on quantal :/
[08:54] <gotwig> tsdgeos: you do something wrong :O
[08:54] <gotwig> tsdgeos: try to restart your pc
[08:55] <tsdgeos> gotwig: did that already 4 minutes ago
[08:55] <tsdgeos> didn't help
[08:55] <gotwig> tsdgeos: :(
[08:56] <MCR1> tsdgeos: There are some problems with hardcoded Unity keys, but changing Alt *should* work. Please file a bug report if it doesn't.
[08:56] <tsdgeos> MCR1: bug filed already
[08:57] <tsdgeos> already = a few minutes ago
[08:57] <MCR1> tsdgeos: Ah, see it - thx :)
[08:57] <gotwig> unity scope/lenses devs here?
[08:58] <MCR1> gotwig: I would like to help, but never did that be4 ;)
[14:59] <sil2100> seb128: hi! How is your workload today?
[15:00] <seb128> sil2100, hi, okish so far, want to change that right? ;-)
[15:02] <sil2100> seb128: ... ;)
[15:03] <seb128> sil2100, what do you need?
[15:11] <sil2100> seb128: actually fginther will ping you about this in a moment ;)
[15:12] <fginther> seb128, heh.  I have the nux packaging changes ready. This is for the libgeis rename
[15:13] <fginther> seb128, sil2100, my apologies for my process confusion
[15:14] <fginther> seb128, changes are here: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/precise-geis-rename
[15:14] <sil2100> seb128: and I have the unity packaging changes (based on fginther's branch)
[15:14] <fginther> seb128, oops wrong one (that ^^ is for unity). Here's nux: lp:~fginther/nux/precise-libgeis-rename-patch
[15:16] <sil2100> seb128: if you ACK those and push them for us, we'll be able to accept the respective unity and nux source changes
[15:16] <sil2100> It's for precise if anything
[15:17] <sil2100> So target branches are lp:~ubuntu-desktop/unity/precise and lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nux/precise
[15:17] <seb128> sil2100, do you have a merge request for it?
[15:18] <sil2100> seb128: yes, there are - one moment
[15:18] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/nux/nux-2.0-libgeis-rename/+merge/121653 <- here's for nux
[15:18] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/unity/unity-5.0-libgeis-rename/+merge/121654 <- here for unity
[15:18] <sil2100> Francis prepared everything
[15:19] <sil2100> The unity branch got approved by Sam, but the packaging changes are needed first
[16:08] <alucardn1> Hello, are there any guidelines to design icons for an app-indicator???
[18:28] <gotwig> davidcalle: hey
[20:37] <MCR1> bschaefer: Hi :) Can it be that Jenkins does not have any drive space left ? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/automerge-compiz-core/120/console
[20:41] <bschaefer> MCR1, hmm it looks like that haha
[20:43] <bschaefer> MCR1, jenkins just seems to have problems atm.... :(
[21:03] <MCR1> bschaefer: His picture calms me down at least :-D
[21:04] <bschaefer> MCR1, wait whos picture? I've always imagine Jenkins as some sort of god that needs sacrifices to stay happy
[21:04] <MCR1> bschaefer: Scroll down to the end of the page I posted above, he rather looks like a waiter serving the FAILURE ;)
[21:05] <bschaefer> MCR1, wth I don't have a picture....I see a tiny icon under my tab
[21:08] <MCR1> Hmm, strange -> maybe it is better you imagine the god that needs sacrifices - I do not want to destroy your vision ;)
[21:09] <bschaefer> MCR1, haha, jenkins just seems to hate merges sometimes
[21:10] <MCR1> http://imageshack.us/f/546/dashboardjenkinschromiu.png/
[21:10] <bschaefer> MCR1, o haha, I just have the ubuntu image
[21:15] <MCR1> bschaefer: IIRC you had an idea to reduce the code duplication of the shortcuts/help display of Unity (almost the same code in unityshell.cpp and StandAloneShortcuts.cpp)
[21:16] <bschaefer> MCR1, hmm I hadn't spent time thinking of a great way but it needs to be done
[21:16] <bschaefer> since not all the shortcuts are derived the same way...
[21:17] <MCR1> Yes - that is bugging me also - but I have struggle to find where the unity-specific shortcuts are even defined in the code...
[21:17] <bschaefer> as we should be able to have a *.h file with a static std::string [] that we can loop through
[21:17] <bschaefer> instead of having *.push_back(<huge line>) 50 times...
[21:18] <MCR1> yes
[21:18] <bschaefer> hm soo we know the hard coded strings/tips
[21:18] <bschaefer> looking through that would be easy
[21:18] <bschaefer> then we need that to line up with the shortcuts and buttons to push...
[21:19] <MCR1> I would like to make the hardcoded shortcuts configurable via CCSM Unity plug-in
[21:19] <bschaefer> which will take a bit of looking/thinking to find a nice pattern
[21:19] <MCR1> that would solve a lot of problems
[21:19] <bschaefer> hmm yeah it would, I haven't really spent much time looking at shortcuts but im guessing there is a reason they are hard coded
[21:20] <MCR1> for some maybe, for others I am not sure
[21:21] <MCR1> Super and Alt are special modifier keys for example, but then those are already configurable...
[21:21] <bschaefer> we could also have an array for short cuts....shortcut_type[COMPIZ] ... yeeah I need to really look more at the code then just ramble :)
[21:21] <MCR1> I looked at the code and searched a bit, but I just did not find where those definitions exactly take even place...
[21:22] <bschaefer> MCR1, well im talking more about encoding the hard coded keys into an array
[21:22] <bschaefer> which we can line up with another array
[21:22] <bschaefer> shortcuts[0] = {"Shortcut tip here, shortcut_type[COMPIZ] }
[21:22] <bschaefer> and add more
[21:23] <bschaefer> so we can just loop through in the 2 files
[21:23] <bschaefer> shortcuts[0] = {"Shortcut tip here" , shortcut_type[COMPIZ] }
[21:23] <MCR1> bschaefer: First we should make them all COMPIZ shortcut types, no ?
[21:23] <bschaefer> MCR1, no we can say
[21:23] <bschaefer> shortcut_type[UNITY-...]
[21:23] <bschaefer> something
[21:23] <bschaefer> maybe the hardcoded value
[21:23]  * bschaefer should really look at the code haha
[21:24] <MCR1> If you find the place where the hardcoded keys are defined shout out loud, please ;)
[21:24] <bschaefer> MCR1, I will, but Im talking about a work around for that for now :)
[21:26] <MCR1> I already made the strings static constants in unityshell.cpp, maybe this also helps...
[21:27] <bschaefer> soo there are up to 7 different parameters for the shortcuts....{ "Shortcut Owner", "", "", "Shortcut Tip", shortcut::COMPIZ/HARDCODED, "unityshell", "show_launcher"}
[21:27] <bschaefer> but they are sometimes variable ...
[21:27] <bschaefer> but we want to be able to loop through all of those in a nice loop in some other header file...
[21:27] <MCR1> some have (Tap) or (Hold)...
[21:28] <bschaefer> yeah
[21:28] <bschaefer> but we can have an array hold this
[21:28] <bschaefer> a[] = {"", "_(Tap)", ....}
[21:28] <bschaefer> then we define enums
[21:28] <bschaefer> NONE = 0 = ""
[21:29] <bschaefer> TAP = 1 = "_(Tab)"
[21:29] <bschaefer> im not sure if iam making any sense atm haha
[21:29] <MCR1> Sure, but we should make it easily editable, so that future changes would be easy...
[21:30] <bschaefer> that is why everything would be in 1 header file, with a few different arrays and everything should be easy to edit (at lease what iam thinking)
[21:32] <MCR1> Maybe one day the shortcuts displayed will show all available shortcuts on several pages or other features might get added...
[21:33] <bschaefer> MCR1, yeah, but it would be better to reduce having almost 2 exact copies of code into 1 then go from there...
[21:33] <bschaefer> idk though
[21:33] <MCR1> Also I've seen a bugreport complaining about deleted shortcuts being displayed wrong
[21:33] <bschaefer> haha...yeah
[21:34] <MCR1> bschaefer: Ofc, I agree 100% with you
[21:34] <bschaefer> MCR1, I do wish things weren't hard coded though...
[21:35] <MCR1> Yes, I will try to fix that once my understanding is big enough.
[21:35] <MCR1> The commit which added the configurable Alt key for example would be a big help...
[21:36] <bschaefer> MCR1, yeaah, I don't know how it is done atm and would have to do some digging as well
[21:36] <MCR1> But all visual bzr tools do not work here on Quantal...
[21:36] <bschaefer> MCR1, hmm really maybe qbzr?
[21:36] <MCR1> qbzr for example is broken
[21:36] <MCR1> I did not file a bbug report yet
[21:36] <bschaefer> aww
[21:36] <bschaefer> well do a bzr log | grep "stuff"
[21:37] <bschaefer> and maybe you can get lucky@
[21:37] <bschaefer> !
[21:37] <MCR1> yeah, thanks for the tip. I'll try
[21:37] <bschaefer> "stuff" would be like ALT or something
[21:37] <MCR1> :)
[21:37] <bschaefer> np :)


[03:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:52] <EriC^^> good morning all
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> morning
[06:19] <tomreyn> hi!
[06:20] <tomreyn> so, if you dont mind a little poll: whom of you already uses wayland on a regular basis?
[06:21] <tomreyn> i really like the idea of improving the overall desktop security, but i'm not yet sure how painful it would be.
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> not me tomreyn 2 out of 3 boxes dont like wayland yet here
[06:21] <tomreyn> because nvidia?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> my netbook and desktop both ati
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> xorg is workable
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> got a few bug on it also
[06:25] <tomreyn> oh, and those old ati's don't workj with wayland at all? fglrx then?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> they work, but lagging like hell
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> same machines on xenial are rocketfast
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> so its not really the hardware
[06:29] <tomreyn> hmm i see
[06:31] <ducasse> good morning
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> morning
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i think your idea, will grow once .1 is out perhaps, see if the masses wanna use wayland or not
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> also cosmic will influence this right
[06:40] <tomreyn> i dont think it will gain traction with 18.04.1, but as soon as ubuntu or some other large distro switches to it by default.
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> hmm i dont think its ready yet for a default
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_topic&q=Wayland
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[06:46] <tomreyn> i agree, it is not. but it's getting closer. i'm just wondering whether people are using is as a default environment, yet., i think i will.
[06:46] <tomreyn> or rather, i'll give it a try.
[06:48] <ducasse> i tried, but got annoyed at stuff that didn't work and all the little things that were missing
[06:53] <tomreyn> well, maybe it's a bit early still
[06:53] <ducasse> i think so. another year or two, maybe...
[06:53] <ducasse> i'm in no hurry, x11 serves me just fine
[07:04] <MysticReverie> anyone do hrd editing on linux/?  im having problems finding an easy program
[07:04] <MysticReverie> HDR*
[07:05] <MysticReverie> oops, sorry, wrong room
[07:23] <ducasse> tomreyn: on discussion in ##linux - have you considered trying a netconsole?
[07:31] <tomreyn> ducasse: yes :)
[07:31] <tomreyn> thanks
[07:32] <ducasse> tomreyn: ok, then nvm me :)
[07:38] <MysticReverie> only thing i use my virtual win10 now is for paintshop pro.
[07:38] <MysticReverie> I wonde rwhy adobe dont release linux software. lightroom is similar to paintshop pro, but not available also
[07:39] <tomreyn> ducasse: so http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_USBNMC.pdf is probably going to work in case you, too, ever need something liek this.
[07:42] <ducasse> good to know, thanks. it's been ages since i needed a serial cable, but it's nice to have in an emergency.
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:19] <oerheks> heya BluesKaj :-)
[10:19] <BluesKaj> hi oerheks
[10:24] <blackflow> o/
[10:28] <BluesKaj> \o
[10:34] <BluesKaj> fogged in here, can hardly see what's across the street
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> bbl belgium-england
[13:30] <oerheks> Kijk live vanaf vandaag, 15:47
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:56] <tomreyn> 220 mail.discuss.ubuntu.com ESMTP
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> whats that tomreyn
[17:56] <tomreyn> a silly nerd joke
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:57] <tomreyn> a fake SMTP header
[17:58] <tomreyn> oops i mean s/header/banner/
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: there were a few intel guys that couldnt boot few recent days
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> just noticed
[17:59] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: yes, 18.04.0 is pretty borked
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> that aint good
[17:59] <tomreyn> but i guess that's not so different from past LTS releases ;)
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> thats also true
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> its our own fault :p
[18:00] <tomreyn> you just don't install .0 if you want it stable.
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> its our fate, to float around in bugs
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> here we go blackflow
[18:08] <tomreyn> http://nyanit.com/usn.ubuntu.com
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> having fun tomreyn
 its our fate, to float around in bugs
[18:09] <tomreyn> sure
[18:10] <tomreyn> plenty of coffeeine causes this reaction here
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> haha
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> nice find or own creation tomreyn
[18:11] <tomreyn> not mine, no. it's oooold
[18:11] <tomreyn> i should have given this url to the person who was using a website to get their monitor refresh rate yesterday.
[18:12] <tomreyn> https://www.testufo.com/
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> im also having fun, browsing new ubuntu wiki's, sorted newest ontop
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> curious what i run into
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> !zoneminder
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> !info zoneminder
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> !info zoneminder xenial
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> right
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.zoneminder.com/Ubuntu
[18:26] <tomreyn> ja, das funktioniert ganz gut, ist eigentlich ne häufig eingesetzte software dafür
[18:27] <tomreyn> this, but in english
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:27]  * lotuspsychje gives tomreyn a fresh cold coktail to cool down
[18:27] <tomreyn> yes, this works quite well.  it's actually a commonly used software for video surveillance (on linux)
[18:28] <tomreyn> thanks. oh crap, it got coffeine!
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> i had something like this recently https://briosmartlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/DOTW-darkandstormy.png
[19:01] <tomreyn> looks tasty
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah it surely was :p
[19:36] <tomreyn> guess we lost jared :-/
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> or perhaps he's doing the firmware upgrade too
[19:39] <tomreyn> maybe, in case he found out how
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> if its not blocked by bios, it would at least show unclaimed in ubuntu right
[19:40] <tomreyn> yes, i'd say so. there's no indication of either the wireless nor the bluetooth device in dmesg, i think it IS blocked by the bios.
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> perhaps he's reinstalling
[19:42] <tomreyn> woah, i hope not
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: he's back
[20:09] <tomreyn> thanks
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> darekdeo: bionic gnome-software doesnt show updates anymore, came from 17.10
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys!
[21:01] <tomreyn> sam here, need sleep. ttyl.