[05:55] <mborzecki> morning
[06:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#1852 opened: Added a missing step in Hacking.md <Created by Tanesh1701> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1852>
[07:40] <zyga-ubuntu> o/
[07:41] <mvo> hey zyga-ubuntu, good monring
[07:41] <zyga-ubuntu> hey :)
[07:44] <mup> PR core#68 closed: hooks: fix shellcheck complains <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/68>
[07:47] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: mvo: morning guys
[07:50] <zyga-ubuntu> good morning
[07:51] <kalikiana> morning, zyga-ubuntu
[07:51] <zyga-ubuntu> hey :)
[07:51]  * zyga-ubuntu had a fsck-initramfs-based-morning
[07:52] <zyga-ubuntu> but all is good now, I hope
[07:52] <kalikiana> not how you wanna start your day... :-(
[07:53] <mup> PR snapd#4449 opened: cmd/libsnap-confine-private, cmd/snap-confine: fix logging of failed [u]mount when run with SNAP_CONFINE_DEBUG=1 <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4449>
[07:53] <mvo> hey mborzecki - good morning and good morning kalikiana
[07:53] <mborzecki> kalikiana: morning
[07:53] <kalikiana> mborzecki: mvo o/
[07:54] <zyga-ubuntu> gconstpointer ?
[07:54] <zyga-ubuntu> why do we need that over, apparently, bool?
[07:55] <zyga-ubuntu> ah, could be the limitation of the test protocol
[07:55] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: just following gtest declarations and didn't want the compiler to scream at me
[07:56] <zyga-ubuntu> I think I would have preferred a debug library but this change is smaller, +1
[07:58] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: thanks
[08:09] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: have you seen this? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/on-arch-snaps-show-broken-after-switch-from-snapd-to-snapd-git/3427/4
[08:09] <mborzecki> pstolowski: morning
[08:10] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: no, I just had a look now - my bet is it's a mount from some directory that dones't exist on arch in default install, maybe /usr/src or something like
[08:10] <zyga-ubuntu> ...that
[08:11] <zyga-ubuntu> if you can strace it you will get the answer
[08:12] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: btw, does it work for you?
[08:12] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: hm but what fails is: mount --rbind /dev /tmp/snap.rootfs_gwR9tX//dev: No such file or directory
[08:12] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: or also no?
[08:12] <mborzecki> yes, it does
[08:12] <zyga-ubuntu> that's odd, is the source/target present?
[08:12] <mborzecki> it would be off for /dev not to exist
[08:13] <mborzecki> lookign at snap-confine source code, we create the destination directory
[08:14] <mborzecki> aah, w8, we create the destination only it's it's bidirectional
[08:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#1853 opened: extractors: support appstream icon and desktop <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1853>
[08:18] <zyga-ubuntu> hmm
[08:19] <zyga-ubuntu> that feels like a bug
[08:19] <zyga-ubuntu> but
[08:19] <zyga-ubuntu> .. /dev should be in the core snap
[08:19] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: it is
[08:21] <haisheng-from-ch> Hi, I met a question about snapd. I make a pc.img which use ubuntu-img command. But when i log into the system. the snap can't mount, ant the syslog print:'Jan  5 08:10:49 localhost snapd[889]: 2018/01/05 08:10:49.391477 stateengine.go:101: state ensure error: devicemgr: cannot mark boot successful: cannot determine bootloader' many times. what should i do. Thanks.
[08:24] <zyga-ubuntu> haisheng-from-ch: hey, which gadget/kernel/model did you use?
[08:25] <haisheng-from-ch> also when start the system . the screen print 'Mounting Mount unit for core.Mounted Mount unit for core. Unmounted Mount unit for core. ' many times.
[08:25] <mborzecki> i'll try to spin a manjaro vm locally and check what's happenning there
[08:26] <ackkk> mvo, hi! wrt that changes to base-18 you made on Fri, are they available in the latest build yet?
[08:27] <mvo> ackk: I checked https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+snap/base-18 this morning - and it still has not build :( so we probably need to ask in #launchpad what is going on
[08:27] <ackk> I guess the few builders availble are hammered
[08:29] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: what's wrong with the build farm?
[08:30] <haisheng-from-ch> kernel is 1604. gadget is the sample which provided in website.the model is customized by myself.
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch> the model is '{
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "type": "model",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "authority-id": "9go0hDakgpo17fYGy06ZguLT8Ly0Ma9F",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "brand-id": "9go0hDakgpo17fYGy06ZguLT8Ly0Ma9F",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "series": "16",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "model": "kylin-test",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "architecture": "amd64",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "gadget": "kylin-gadget",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "kernel": "pc-kernel",
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch>   "timestamp": "2018-01-08T06:23:22+00:00"
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch> }
[08:31] <haisheng-from-ch> '
[08:32] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, it was shutdown because of meltdown/spectre, only whitelisted projects are built
[08:32] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, so no PPA and snap builds
[08:33] <zyga-ubuntu> aaah
[08:33] <zyga-ubuntu> makes sense
[08:37] <mvo> ackk: maybe we are not in that whitelist
[08:42]  * zyga-ubuntu uses his GPU to heat up the room
[08:42] <ackk> mvo, yeah you should ask about it, I know other teams did
[08:42] <zyga-ubuntu> darn it's a cold day today
[08:44] <haisheng-from-ch> hi, zyga-ubuntu, any info can be provieded for me about this error?
[08:44] <zyga-ubuntu> haisheng-from-ch: not immediately, I work on core snapd but how it combines with reference gadgets and ubuntu image is complex; perhaps ask ogra_ as he's closer to that layer
[08:45] <zyga-ubuntu> it's best to open a forum topic
[08:45] <zyga-ubuntu> include all the details: which ubuntu-image you've used, how did you boot it, etc
[08:45] <haisheng-from-ch> ok thanks.
[09:03] <mup> PR snapd#4450 opened: snap: support `command-not-found` symlink for `snap advise-command` <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4450>
[09:05] <ackk> mvo, so with your latest changes you were able to get a working maas snap installed, right?
[09:09] <mvo> ackk: yeah, it was not getting past "intializing" though
[09:10] <mvo> ackk: fwiw, I ask on #launchpad about the build but I guess tricky TZ wise currently
[09:10] <mvo> ackk: to get answers
[09:11] <ackk> mvo, cool. could you pass me the snap for the base so i can try locally (see if I can actually get maas to work)
[09:14] <mvo> ackk: sure, let me try a cleanbuild for you
[09:17] <ackk> mvo, you might want to try #launchpad-ops
[09:23] <zyga-ubuntu> hey Chipaca
[09:23] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: o/
[09:27] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: over the weekend i might've gone all "here's a nickel, kid" on somebody's distro
[09:27] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: sorry, the analogy eludes me
[09:27] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: http://assets.amuniversal.com/6b08abb09fbb012f2fe600163e41dd5b
[09:27] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: are you saying you tried a bunch of distros?
[09:27] <zyga-ubuntu> haha
[09:28] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: in particular, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-comunicate-with-server-mx-linux-17/3455/2
[09:31] <kalikiana> elopio: you're awake?
[09:31] <mup> PR core#70 opened: hooks: use symlink to run `snap advise-command` <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/70>
[09:31] <Chipaca> kalikiana: it's 3am in .cr
[09:32] <kalikiana> Chipaca: Well, it didn't seem to stop him from pushing code to GitHub, that's why I'm asking
[09:32] <Chipaca> ah
[09:32] <Chipaca> kalikiana: i read it as a "are you awake", not as "wtf you awake"
[09:32] <Chipaca> :)
[09:33] <kalikiana> :-D
[09:34] <kalikiana> English is so ambiguous when you don't use properly foul language
[09:35] <Chipaca> well i could've also been unambiguouss without being lazy, but i'm lazy
[09:46]  * zyga-ubuntu crosses fingers
[09:46] <mborzecki> TIL manjaro has a user friendly installer
[09:50] <zyga-ubuntu> is it just me or has the lower temperature brought much higher pressure
[09:50] <zyga-ubuntu> I don't feel sleepy like I did all last week
[09:56] <Chipaca> mvo: you around?
[09:57] <mvo> Chipaca: yes, good morning!
[09:58] <Chipaca> mvo: good morning! what are my chances of you finishing your review of #4394?
[09:58] <mup> PR #4394: snap: give the snap.Container interface a Walk method <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4394>
[10:01] <mvo> Chipaca: *cough* I let you wait long enough - I do that now as in right now
[10:01] <Chipaca> :-D
[10:01]  * kalikiana coffee break
[10:03] <Chipaca> note fedora tests are disabled again
[10:04] <mborzecki> btw. i actuallt hit the same problem as the spread tests did when updating my wife's fedora on friday
[10:05] <Chipaca> mborzecki: which problem?
[10:06] <Chipaca> mborzecki: or rather, which of the problems? :-)
[10:07] <mborzecki> Chipaca: failure to downlaod from updates repo
[10:07] <Chipaca> ah
[10:08] <Chipaca> mborzecki: i've also seen (in the tests) fedora not having 'snap' in the path, and fedora's systemd not knowing about snapd.service
[10:08] <Chipaca> that's the point i disabled the test again
[10:08] <Chipaca> (after re-running them ~6 times because of the repo thing)
[10:08] <mborzecki> that's interesting, was it reproducible?
[10:08] <Chipaca> something's very broken, needs fixing, but beyond me atm
[10:08] <Chipaca> mborzecki: afaik it was just the once, but it was just the breaking point
[10:09] <mborzecki> haha ok :)
[10:09] <Chipaca> that is, i had about 6 runs of it breaking because of the repo thing
[10:09] <Chipaca> then it didn't break because of the repo and instead didn't know about snapd
[10:09] <Chipaca> or the service
[10:09] <Chipaca> (different instances of fedora in the same run)
[10:09] <mborzecki> well f26 was to be switched to manual anyway, hoping we could get the f27 PR merged soon
[10:09] <Chipaca> so, (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[10:18] <Chipaca> ok, off to physio for me
[10:18]  * Chipaca bbi1h
[10:38] <mborzecki> hmm installed snapd-git on clean manjaro .. and it's broken, seems like snap mount dir is /var/lib/snapd/snap, but there's only /snap in the system, /var/lib/snapd/snap does not exist
[10:38] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: any idea who i can talk to about this?
[10:39] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: so which of the two layouts would manjro prefer?
[10:41] <mborzecki> idk, seems like they're undecided
[10:42]  * kalikiana moving to coffee shop, brb
[11:09] <mborzecki> so i managed to get:
[11:09] <mborzecki> Name         Version  Rev   Developer  Notes
[11:09] <mborzecki> core                  3748  canonical  broken
[11:09] <mborzecki> hello-world           27    canonical  broken
[11:09] <mborzecki> on manjaro
[11:09] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: what's the configuration there/
[11:09] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: did it reexec
[11:09] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: is it using /snap or /var/lib/snapd/snap?
[11:10] <mborzecki> yeah, it's using /var/lib/snapd/snap
[11:10] <mborzecki> looks like the manjaro `community` repo pacakaes do not do a proper cleanup when removing
[11:10] <zyga-ubuntu> ahh
[11:10] <zyga-ubuntu> that's not catastrophic
[11:10] <mborzecki> there's bits and pieces left behind, one of those is mounted snaps
[11:11] <mborzecki> and for some reason i ended up having `hello-world` in /var/lib/snapd/snap but there's no core
[11:12] <mborzecki> uhh, taje that back, there's 'hello-world' in /snap but no 'core'
[11:12] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: what if you start from scratch on a clean manjaro system
[11:12] <zyga-ubuntu> is it still broken then?
[11:13] <mborzecki> i had a clean system, then installed snapd-git, but apaprently they have snapd-git in community repo (?) and it was broken like i described earlier
[11:13] <zyga-ubuntu> aha, I see
[11:13] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: they accept PRs there so I guess we need to update it
[11:14] <mborzecki> then i removed that package and tried to install snapd-git from aur, ran into multiple issues with files left behind by their community package and finally got into the 'broken' state :)
[11:17] <ackk> mvo, any luck on the build?
[11:18]  * kalikiana having lunch earlier today
[11:20]  * zyga-ubuntu burns spread cycles on iteration with apparmor
[11:21] <mvo> ackk: not yet, I can give you a manually build one, for some reason "snapcraft cleanbuild" fails for me in artful, maybe deboostrap is doing things that are not supported, I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/26346220/ ( kalikiana may know more). I can give you a hand-hacked one instead
[11:23] <ackk> mvo, that would be helpful, thanks
[11:26] <mup> PR snapd#4451 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: improve mocking for tests <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4451>
[11:26] <niemeyer> Good morning!
[11:27] <zyga-ubuntu> niemeyer: hello
[11:27] <zyga-ubuntu> long time no see!
[11:28] <niemeyer> Indeed!
[11:28] <mvo> ackk: please try http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/tmp/base-18_very-unstable_amd64.snap
[11:28] <niemeyer> Just learning how to type again..
[11:28] <ackk> mvo, thanks
[11:28] <mvo> hey niemeyer - welcome back! we missed you
[11:28] <niemeyer> mvo: Heya, thanks!
[11:29] <niemeyer> Missed you all too.. was a bit hard to put myself away from all action :)
[11:29] <mborzecki> niemeyer: hey, how was your vacation?
[11:30] <niemeyer> It was great being so offline for a few days
[11:30] <ackk> mvo, still getting https://paste.ubuntu.com/26346261/ when trying my snap
[11:32] <kalikiana> mvo: you get that error with cleanbuild? I've never seen that. Would you mind filing a bug?
[11:34] <pstolowski> niemeyer, hi! welcome back!
[11:43]  * kalikiana getting food now, biab
[11:50] <mup> PR snapd#4452 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: enable writable mimic, allow content sharing to $SNAP <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4452>
[11:50] <zyga-ubuntu> wow, the bot is instant
[11:51] <zyga-ubuntu> when I opened this PR the latency was << 1s
[11:54]  * zyga-ubuntu food break
[12:00] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: i think you just happened to open the PR at :59 :-)
[12:00] <mvo> kalikiana: sure
[12:00] <mvo> ackk: could you please try in clean vm? I can't reproduce this error
[12:02] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: hehe, maybe :)
[12:02] <mvo> Chipaca: you have a first bit of review, I will continue in a little bit, its fine don't get me wrong, just tiny ideas/nitpicks
[12:02] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I'll do two more PRs on hole-poking and layouts and then look at LXD mount issue
[12:02] <Chipaca> mvo: ah then i'll wait (i already added your suggestion, was about to push)
[12:03] <Chipaca> mvo: if you consider them nitpick-level, i can address them in the followup instead of here
[12:03] <Chipaca> mvo: let me know :-)
[12:03] <mborzecki> the AUR snapd package does not build :(
[12:06] <mvo> Chipaca: interessting idea, we could merge and then do a follwup indeed
[12:06] <Chipaca> mvo: i mean, i have a followup -- but it's not small
[12:06] <Chipaca> so maybe it's a _bad_ idea :-)
[12:07] <Chipaca> but it's certainly an idea
[12:07] <mvo> Chipaca: the dirstack is used instead of recursion because you want to keep the open file handles low?
[12:07] <mvo> Chipaca: heh :)
[12:07] <Chipaca> mvo: and the call stack
[12:07] <mvo> Chipaca: *nod*
[12:08] <Chipaca> mvo: better to have a stack of string than a stack of stacks
[12:08] <mvo> +1
[12:08] <Chipaca> at least that's what i was taught in uni, back when i paid attention
[12:08] <mvo> Chipaca: was just wondering as the recursive version is easier to read but its fine, your reasoning is sound
[12:10] <mvo> Chipaca: when you apply the "readOneDir" idea, maybe "readOneDirN()" and we add the "100" to the readOneDirN() call?
[12:10] <Chipaca> mvo: what for?
[12:11] <mvo> Chipaca: mostly clarity, readOneDir() is really read100ItemsFromOneDir :)
[12:11] <mvo> (as it is today/in that pastebin)
[12:12] <Chipaca> mvo: maybe i should rename it babySteps()
[12:12] <Chipaca> as in Walk() -> babySteps()
[12:12] <Chipaca> :-)
[12:12] <mvo> Chipaca: heh, yeah, something like this, seriously, just to avoid our future selfs using it assuming it would read *all* of that dir
[12:12] <mvo> (or my future self that has a limited memory span)
[12:14] <Chipaca> I'll rename it something super obvious, like twiddle()
[12:14] <Chipaca> doThing()
[12:14] <Chipaca> oh, i know! doProcessThing()
[12:14] <zyga-ubuntu> just go all the way and call it all twinky, twonky, twooty, twoo, calling each other with one global variable as help
[12:16] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: and the global variable should be literally 'help'
[12:16] <pstolowski> Chipaca, hey, there are rumours you have a lot on your plate and might want some help? for example with warnings, or free disk check?
[12:16] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: bonus point if it's a function pointer initialized to a XKCD strip
[12:16] <Chipaca> pstolowski: warnings comes before free disk check warnings, but free disk computation coud come before that
[12:17]  * zyga-ubuntu prepares oatmeal, the O(1) complexity food for software developers
[12:17] <zyga-ubuntu> water, flakes, heat, eat
[12:17] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: this is go, you can't do `var help func() = "http://..."`
[12:17] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: function printing that or sensible-browser opening that would do
[12:18] <zyga-ubuntu> https://xkcd.com/1513/ is fine
[12:18] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: is it bad that somewhere on my other computer is a javascript page that edits itself until it compiles
[12:19] <Chipaca> pstolowski: i've got a branch with part of warnings, i think? but not sure if it'd still work as it's from two sprints ago
[12:20] <pstolowski> Chipaca, perhaps I could take free disk computation?
[12:20] <Chipaca> pstolowski: disk usage shares some of the issues with snapshots for which i wanted to fix user iteration, but i wasn't able to get to the bottom of those failures
[12:21] <Chipaca> pstolowski: actually perhaps that's a good place to poke: want to see if you can figure out the failures?
[12:22] <Chipaca> pstolowski: if you take #4299 and then
[12:22] <mup> PR #4299: osutil/user: replace our uses of os/user and filepath.Glob("/home/*") <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4299>
[12:22] <Chipaca> pstolowski: spread  -seed=1512088627 -shell linode:ubuntu-14.04-64:tests/main/{interfaces-browser-support,abort}
[12:22] <Chipaca> pstolowski: but with -debug instead of -shell
[12:22] <Chipaca> pstolowski: you'll see the failures i mean (or you should)
[12:22] <pstolowski> Chipaca, ack, will see if I can find something
[12:23] <Chipaca> pstolowski: the failure is the whole thing dying (spread says something about EOF)
[12:23] <Chipaca> pstolowski: good luck
[12:23] <pstolowski> Chipaca, ahh, that failure
[12:23] <mup> PR snapd#4453 opened: Update README.md <Created by popey> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4453>
[12:24] <Chipaca> pstolowski: indeedly
[12:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#1854 opened: Update README.md <Created by popey> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1854>
[12:25] <greyback> hey, any easy way to re-run CI on this? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4365
[12:25] <mup> PR #4365: interfaces/mir: allow Wayland socket and non-root sockets <Created by gerboland> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4365>
[12:26] <zyga-ubuntu> greyback: as in restart?
[12:26] <Chipaca> greyback: by CI you mean travis?
[12:26] <zyga-ubuntu>  just did
[12:27] <greyback> zyga-ubuntu: Chipaca yes and yes
[12:27] <Chipaca> greyback: merge master first
[12:27] <zyga-ubuntu> aww
[12:27] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: fedora will fail :-/
[12:27] <zyga-ubuntu> sorry for wasting cycles
[12:27] <zyga-ubuntu> cancelled
[12:27] <greyback> ah, the fedora thing still not fixed
[12:27] <greyback> ok
[12:27] <Chipaca> greyback: well, if you merge master, they're disabled
[12:27] <greyback> Chipaca: aha, ok
[12:27] <greyback> will do
[12:27] <Chipaca> so no, but yes
[12:27] <greyback> :)
[12:29] <Chipaca> greyback: note if people have looked at it already we ask you merge instead of rebasing
[12:29] <greyback> Chipaca: good to know, thank you
[12:30] <mvo> Chipaca: ok, finished the rest, I get some lunch now
[12:30] <ackk> mvo, I'm testing in a container, not a vm
[12:30] <ackk> I can try a clean one, though
[12:30] <mvo> ackk: if its not too much hassle that would be great.
[12:30] <ackk> sure
[12:30] <mvo> ackk: I couldn't reproduce the issue, but I was testing using a vm :/
[12:30]  * mvo lunch
[12:34] <ackk> mvo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26346467/ in a clean LXD
[12:35] <mvo> ackk: thanks, puzzling
[12:35] <ackk> the first error I 've seen randomly happen, but usually it's just the first time
[12:42] <kalikiana> re
[12:59] <pstolowski> Chipaca, interfaces-browser-support from your branch passed here. i'm running 16.04, could this be a factor?
[12:59] <Chipaca> pstolowski: i'm running 16.04 as well
[12:59] <Chipaca> pstolowski: note it only fails together with another test
[12:59] <pstolowski> Chipaca, aha!
[13:00] <Chipaca> pstolowski: that's why the command was as i typed
[13:00] <pstolowski> I should treat your command literally.. yes
[13:01] <Chipaca> niemeyer: standup?
[13:12] <kalikiana> popey: Hey! Can you provide an example that triggers this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1741752
[13:12] <mup> Bug #1741752: yaml.constructor.ConstructorError: could not determine a constructor for the tag '!ExtractedMetadata' <Snapcraft:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741752>
[13:14] <popey> kalikiana: done
[13:25] <kalikiana> popey: Thanks! Will try to reproduce here
[13:30] <pstolowski> Chipaca, and it passed https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26346695/
[13:30] <pstolowski> Chipaca, you said it was failing every time for you?
[13:34] <mborzecki> Chipaca: i can look into fedora issues later today/tomorrow
[13:37] <popey> kalikiana: are we going to get stacktrace spam turned off sometime soon?
[13:39] <kalikiana> popey: There were some fixes for that already. Have you tested with the --beta snap?
[13:39] <popey> kalikiana: I'm on edge
[13:40] <kalikiana> popey: If that isn't a Freudin slip :-P Can you paste any recent example? We might not have caught all of them
[13:40] <popey> kalikiana: how about the bug you just asked me to put an example on? :)
[13:44] <kalikiana> popey:  Ah, right. So in this case you see the trace because it's not a known failure case. It's a genuine bug so this will need a proper exception code path.
[13:45] <kalikiana> We don't generally try to hide those
[13:45] <popey> I don't ever want to see them
[13:45] <diddledan> me too
[13:45] <popey> unless I pass some kind of -show_me_the_python_nonsense_I_dont_care_about
[13:45] <diddledan> only devs need to see those
[13:46] <diddledan> just say "we dun goof'd" on unknown errors and leave it there
[13:47] <popey> SNAPCRAFT_VERBOSE=1 would do
[13:47] <popey> i would set that on build.snapcraft.io or travis, but never on my laptop
[13:48] <kalikiana> We could make them `--debug` only and something like `Please re-run with --debug to get a full trace`.  The most important aspect to my mind is that there's a clear path to knowing how to get the error and report it if desired.
[13:48] <popey> that'd work
[13:49] <diddledan> even better: --file-bug; that runs through until the failure and then gets all the useful debug info and posts it to launchpad similar to ubuntu-bug does
[13:50] <diddledan> or maybe call it "--create-bug"
[13:50] <diddledan> something like that anywho
[13:50] <diddledan> then we don't need to even work out which bits we need to copy
[13:52] <kalikiana> That might need some discussion on what that info is... although that's a nice idea
[13:53] <diddledan> or rather than being explicit when it hits a failure it just prompts "do you want to create a bug? (Y/n)" which you can disable with a `--quiet` flag
[13:54] <diddledan> bonus points for finding duplicates
[13:54] <kalikiana> That would've been awesome for codein...
[13:54]  * kalikiana won't have time to look into the anytime soon
[13:55] <diddledan> pop it on the backlog :-)
[13:55] <kalikiana> diddledan: Mind filing a bug for it?
[13:56] <diddledan> roger that
[13:56] <popey> there is one
[13:56] <popey> i filed it iirc
[13:56] <kalikiana> For "file a bug"?
[13:56] <popey> no, for stfu
[13:56] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1740265
[13:56] <mup> Bug #1740265: Stack trace makes it hard to discern real errors <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1740265>
[13:57] <popey> Please don't push that back until after we have bug reporting built in though :(
[13:57] <kalikiana> popey: Aye, this one is pretty straightforward. I'll bring it up later in our weekly meeting
[13:57] <popey> thanks
[14:03] <diddledan> bug #1741900
[14:03] <mup> Bug #1741900: Add file-a-bug functionality on errors <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741900>
[14:05] <kalikiana> diddledan: Thanks!
[14:10]  * pstolowski lunch
[14:10]  * zyga-ubuntu quick break to catch up with kids
[14:19]  * mborzecki is off to pick up the kids
[14:29] <ogra_> cyphermox, i have the next wlan module that doesnt support unbind ... given how big that block in netplan already is i wonder, cant we get away without unbinding the dirvers at all ?
[14:30] <ogra_> cyphermox, ath6kl_sdio this time ...
[14:31] <cyphermox> not afaik
[14:31]  * ogra_ will file a bug and patch as usual ... but all these SRUs get tiring
[14:32] <Chipaca> pstolowski: indeed. Can you run the whole suite?
[14:33] <Chipaca> pstolowski: also, what's your PROMPT_COMMAND? :-)
[14:41] <ogra_> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/netplan/+git/netplan/+merge/335824 .. do you need a separate MP for the xenial branch or will you just backport it ?
[14:42] <mup> PR snapd#4454 opened: snap: fix gadget.yaml parsing for multi volume gadgets <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4454>
[14:42] <mup> PR snapd#4455 opened: store, daemon/api: Rename MyAppsServer, point to dashboard.snapcraft.io instead <Created by sparkiegeek> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4455>
[14:48] <zyga-ubuntu> back to work
[14:52] <ogra_> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nplan/+bug/1741910
[14:52] <mup> Bug #1741910: ath6kl_sdio does not support unbinding <netplan:New> <nplan (Ubuntu):New> <nplan (Ubuntu Xenial):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741910>
[15:00] <cyphermox> ogra_: it's fine as-is,thanks!
[15:00] <ogra_> awesome !
[15:00] <elopio> hello!
[15:00] <elopio> kalikiana: I am awake now :)
[15:15] <kalikiana> elopio: :-D
[15:19] <kalikiana> elopio: Actually there's something I'd like your input on. Can you have another look at snapcraft#1847 and tell me your thoughts on conditional `sudo` in `_container_run`? kyrofa wasn't very happy with it, so I changed it twice now. I figure a third opinion would help figure out the best path
[15:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#1847: lxd: Use user in container when mounting remote via sshfs <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1847>
[15:21] <kalikiana> elopio: Also in case you haven't seen it, I made some comments on snapcraft#1853
[15:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#1853: extractors: support appstream icon and desktop <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1853>
[15:21] <elopio> yup, thanks for the review.
[15:25] <elopio> kalikiana: I find that clear, if user != 'root': prepend sudo.
[15:26] <kalikiana> elopio: first I had heuristics, then I had user=False... if you like this version I'm hoping kyrofa will also like it, but otherwise I'm out of ideas :-P
[15:27] <kyrofa> kalikiana, haha, I'm sorry to be causing pain. user=False was way better
[15:27] <kalikiana> kyrofa: :-|
[15:27] <elopio> that's easy to fix, ask kyrofa for what will make him happy, instead of guessing :D
[15:27] <kyrofa> kalikiana, I mean way better than the heuristics
[15:27] <elopio> lol
[15:27] <kyrofa> kalikiana, haven't looked at the new way yet
[15:27] <kalikiana> kyrofa: Oh, hah, okay
[15:28] <kalikiana> I'm actually liking the latest one a lot more myself now than what I did before
[15:28] <kyrofa> Alright I'll take a look soon. I have oodles of codein reviews
[15:29] <kalikiana> The good kind of spam ;-)
[15:30] <kalikiana> kyrofa: We can also have a quick chat about it in/after the weekly, might be easier at this point
[15:30] <kyrofa> kalikiana, we can do that if I haven't been able to review by then, I know you go *poof* shortly after
[15:32] <kalikiana> Yeah. I'm weird like that. As if the sun somehow goes down earlier where I'm at :-P
[15:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#1854 closed: Update README.md <Created by popey> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1854>
[15:51] <kyrofa> kalikiana, yeah, let's chat about this in a few
[16:08]  * zyga-ubuntu runs new tests and goes to update the forum on the progress towards layouts
[16:24] <Chipaca> pstolowski: sorry if i missed your reply, were you able to run the full suite?
[16:25] <pstolowski> Chipaca, no, I got a bunch of EOFs, but not on the tests in questions
[16:25] <pstolowski> *in question
[16:26] <Chipaca> pstolowski: that's fine
[16:26] <Chipaca> pstolowski: those test were not the problem, the EOFs were
[16:26] <pstolowski> ah, ok
[16:26] <Chipaca> just that with those two i was always able to reproduce, but it's weird enough that i'm not surprised it's moved
[16:26] <pstolowski> Chipaca, re my command prompt, I use zsh and oh-my-zsh dot files ;)
[16:26] <Chipaca> booh :-) ok
[16:27] <pstolowski> who uses bash anyway? ;)
[16:28] <Chipaca> o/
[16:29] <ogra_> hey !
[16:30]  * Chipaca hides before ogra_ goes nukular
[16:30] <ogra_> lol
[16:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#1855 opened: storeapi: add docstrings for _snap_index_client.py <Created by konrad11901> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1855>
[16:39] <brunosfer> Hi guys, does anyone knows how can I install the exact version of a snap on ubuntu core?
[16:45] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: what do you mean by exact version of a snap?
[16:53] <pstolowski> Chipaca, so it appears I need to run multiple spread tests to trigger EOF, that matches your observations right?
[16:53] <Chipaca> pstolowski: yuup
[17:03] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: e.g. snap discord has older versions. the current version is 0.0.3, however it has an older version 0.0.2, if I remove this snap from my OS, can I make something like sudo snap install discord --version=0.0.2 ?
[17:04] <brunosfer> Not exactly a rollback to the previous version, but rather a version in particular, however in this case such thing does not apply.
[17:06] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: not quite like that, versions are meaningless, you can install appropriate revision (see snap install --help)
[17:06] <ogra_> you can do that if you own the snap
[17:06] <ogra_> but only then
[17:06] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: you can list the revisions you have on your machine
[17:06] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: you can switch between any revisions that are published (by switching channels)
[17:06] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: and between any revisions on your machine that you already had (by using -r)
[17:07] <ogra_> ... and between random revisions from the store if you are the owner (developer)
[17:08] <ogra_> (unless that got disabled since i used it last)
[17:08] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: no, it's a desired feature
[17:08] <ogra_> right
[17:09] <kyrofa> kalikiana, test failures on snapcraft#1847
[17:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#1847: lxd: Use user in container when mounting remote via sshfs <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1847>
[17:10] <kalikiana> kyrofa: Eh. Lemme check those quickly before I leave. Those all passed locally...
[17:10] <kalikiana> Thanks
[17:12]  * Chipaca hugs mvo
[17:13] <Chipaca> mvo: thank you for asking me for more tests
[17:17] <kalikiana> Meh, I was missing a mock geteuid there
[17:32] <sparkiegeek> is there a way of telling 'snap set' to not show progress (because I'm running it from a script)?
[17:34] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: ^
[17:34] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: </dev/null
[17:35]  * zyga-ubuntu goes to fix a quick oversight in the new mimic code
[17:35] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: although it should already do that if stdin is not a tty
[17:35] <zyga-ubuntu> well, not in minic but around it
[17:35] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: thanks
[17:35] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: just checked, and in 2.30 at least, if stdin is not a tty, you should get the nonverbose noninteractive "progress bar"
[17:36] <Chipaca> it'll just print success
[17:36] <Chipaca> and that sort of thing
[17:36] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: confirmed with 2.30, stdin=open('/dev/null') does what I want
[17:36] <sparkiegeek> I was trying to find a --quiet/--non-interactive option
[17:36] <sparkiegeek> this is fine though, cheers
[17:37] <zyga-ubuntu> sparkiegeek: if this is python, use subprocess.DEVNULL
[17:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#1856 opened: remote_parts: Use hashed folder based on parts URI <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1856>
[17:39] <kalikiana> Alrighty, pushed the remote parts fix out, now I'll call it a day
[17:40]  * zyga-ubuntu will work for a little while longer to get all of the mimic branches merge-worthy and fully functional
[17:40] <zyga-ubuntu> and tomorrow, layouts
[17:41] <sparkiegeek> zyga-ubuntu: good shout
[17:41] <kyrofa> Hey ogra_, do you know anything about the kernel on the nvidia Jetson boards? Can they run snaps?
[17:41] <ogra_> no idea
[17:42] <ogra_> but i doubt that
[17:42] <kyrofa> Me too
[17:43] <sparkiegeek> is there a way of getting snapd version information in a parseable format (e.g. JSON/YAML/..)?
[17:44] <sparkiegeek> or should I just do "^(.*)\s+(.*)$" style parsing?
[17:44] <zyga-ubuntu> sparkiegeek: talk to the socket
[17:44] <zyga-ubuntu> there's a whole API there
[17:44] <zyga-ubuntu> (talking json)
[17:56] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: sudo snap discord -r 0.0.2 ? Would be something like this?
[17:58]  * Chipaca wraps up his day, at least for now
[18:02] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: no, revisions are always integers
[18:02] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: this looks like a version
[18:02] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: try snap list --all
[18:03] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: you will see various revisions of each snap on your system
[18:03] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: again, unless you had a revision you want to go to, you cannot do that
[18:03] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: only the owner of that snap can
[18:03] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: snaps should have sensibly defined channels and not rely on their users pinning a specific revision
[18:10] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: Thanks, for clarifying. I want to go to the revision 32, how can I switch to an older revision? Because I have tried the -r flag and it didn't work.
[18:10] <zyga-ubuntu> brunosfer: do you have that revision on your system (snap list --all)
[18:11] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: Yes
[18:11] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: discord          0.0.3        41    snapcrafters  -
[18:11] <brunosfer> discord          0.0.2        32    snapcrafters  disabled
[18:11] <brunosfer> discord          0.0.3        38    snapcrafters  disabled
[18:11] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: I want to switch to the revision 32
[18:11] <zyga-ubuntu> snap refresh discord -r 32 OR snap revert discord
[18:11] <zyga-ubuntu> refresh will go there but will keep updating
[18:11] <zyga-ubuntu> and revert will skip 38
[18:11] <zyga-ubuntu> AFAIK
[18:13] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: Thanks, I was using the switch for that. Now that you explained it makes indeed more sense to use the refresh to a specific revision. Thank ;)
[18:14] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: It's giving me the error: unknown flag 'r'
[18:15] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: It's working... no '-' was needed... just the 'r' as a flag.
[18:17] <ogra_> that sounds a bit buggy
[18:17] <zyga-ubuntu> maybe try --revision
[18:17] <ogra_> short options should use a -
[18:18] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: sudo snap refresh discord --revision=50
[18:19] <brunosfer> zyga-ubuntu: it works like this... With the short option doesn't work.
[18:19] <ogra_> ah, the --help also doesnt list any short options at all
[18:28] <zyga-ubuntu> sorry it must have been my rusty memory then
[18:28]  * zyga-ubuntu still debugs one issue
[21:32] <kyrofa> elopio, if you feel like taking circle ci for a spin: https://github.com/canonical-websites/tutorials.ubuntu.com/pull/618
[21:33] <kyrofa> Hey niemeyer, are you around today?  Okay, I'll catch you tomorrow then :)
[21:42] <kyrofa> Hey there cratliff, good to see you around
[21:44] <cratliff> Hey, yeah, the holidays can keep you busy sometimes.
[21:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#1847 closed: lxd: Use user in container when mounting remote via sshfs <Created by kalikiana> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1847>
[22:16] <kyrofa> Boy no kidding
[23:06] <niemeyer> kyrofa: I'm fully back already


[05:01] <Kilos> hi psydroid nuvolari and others
[05:08] <Squirm> lo
[05:11] <Kilos> hey Squirm
[05:28] <nlsthzn> morning all
[05:30] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[05:31] <nlsthzn> peeps in SA up early
[05:34] <Kilos> just Squirm and i
[05:35] <Kilos> others on their way to work or still in lurking mode
[05:53] <magespawn> good morning all
[05:54] <Kilos> hi there magespawn
[05:56] <superfly> good night
[05:57] <Kilos> you going to bed superfly ?
[05:57] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[05:57] <superfly> I wish I was
[05:57] <magespawn> superfly?
[05:57] <Kilos> aw
[05:57] <magespawn> need to sleep or you start missing things
[05:58] <magespawn> Kilos what type of solder should i use for electrical circuits resin or acid?
[05:59] <Kilos> resin where ever possible
[05:59] <Kilos> all copper use resin
[05:59] <magespawn> now there is a non ubuntu question lol
[05:59] <magespawn> ahh okay
[05:59] <superfly> actually, I was in bed a little earlier last night... just past midnight.
[05:59] <Kilos> but use an ubuntu soldering iro
[05:59] <Kilos> iron
[05:59] <magespawn> and what time do you get up superfly?
[06:00] <Kilos> eish superfly
[06:00] <superfly> 6
[06:00] <Kilos> one needs 7 hours a night to stay healthy
[06:00] <magespawn> if you fall asleep immediatly that is 6 hours, plenty, assuming it is not interrupted
[06:01] <magespawn> but then again maybe that is why i miss quite a bit
[06:01] <Kilos> hehe
[06:02] <magespawn> and look about 10 years older than i am lol
[06:02] <magespawn> see y'all later
[06:02] <Kilos> go well magespawn
[06:29] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[06:29] <jrgns> morning Kilos
[06:29] <jrgns> i'm on a vpn again today, so just a quick checkin
[06:30] <Kilos> ok
[06:43] <inetpro> good morning
[06:43] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:44] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks for the mail... but I'll only look at it laters
[07:20] <magespawn> inetpro np
[07:22] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[07:22] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[07:22] <magespawn> quiet since i left
[07:23] <Kilos> yeah
[07:23] <Kilos> only you and i got things to say looks like
[07:23] <Kilos> everyone else is too busy
[07:24] <magespawn> its like they have to work or something
[07:25] <Kilos> yeah
[07:34] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:34] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:35] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[07:35] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy
[07:35] <mazal> Ok dankie
[07:37] <mazal> Het oom reggekom met daai drive ?
[07:37] <Kilos> ja hy werk honnerd
[07:38] <mazal> Mooi ! Wat het toe gewerk ?
[07:38] <Kilos> het daai mbr gekopie van my unity en moes bietjie sukkel om weer patisies te maak maar nou werk dit mooi
[07:39] <Kilos> die mbr het n virus of iets in gehad
[07:39] <mazal> Ek moet daai command bêre , het oom hom nog naby
[07:39] <Kilos> wag ek soek
[07:40] <mazal> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 ?
[07:40] <Kilos> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[07:40] <mazal> Dink dit was dit
[07:40] <Kilos> dis hy
[07:40] <mazal> Ditto hehehe
[07:41] <Kilos> testdisk just found the head count was wrong on a 40g drive and fixed it
[07:41] <mazal> Testdisk ? Is that part of ubcd ?
[07:41] <Kilos> no data recovery program in ubuntu
[07:42] <Kilos> testdisk photorec scalpel and one more i forget
[07:42] <Kilos> i think maybe ubcd has it on too
[07:43] <mazal> I see I have testdisk
[07:43] <mazal> Never used it though
[07:44] <Kilos> works well but takes long
[07:48] <Kilos> magespawn, whats the other one
[07:48] <Kilos> finds data after drive has been formatted three times even
[07:49] <Kilos> only files lose their original name and get numbers
[07:49] <mazal> I hope I never need it
[07:50] <mazal> With tripple backups I shouldn't :P
[07:50] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <mazal> Kilos can you do something with an external with broken power supply ?
[07:51] <Kilos> get another power suppy
[07:51] <Kilos> or have that one fixed
[07:52] <Kilos> doesnt it take power from the usb
[07:52] <mazal> Tried , very hard. And the one they eventually send doesn't work
[07:52] <mazal> Thinking of "converting" it to internal
[07:53] <mazal> ie , breaking the case open hehehe
[07:53] <Kilos> maybe the case isnt good
[07:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:54] <Kilos> what external is it?
[07:56] <Kilos> you might be able to get a replacement control board
[07:57] <mazal> It's a samsung and def power supply
[07:57] <mazal> Haven't looked at it myself yet , but the user described the probem
[07:57] <mazal> problem even
[07:57] <mazal> The dog ate up the power cable of the supply
[07:58] <mazal> She then searched all over and couldn't find a replacement
[07:58] <mazal> Eventually called samsung head office , and they send one that doesn't work
[07:58] <Kilos> maybe one can make up such a cable if you have the plugs at ends in good nick still
[07:58] <Kilos> ai
[07:59] <mazal> I'm gonna look at it when I am mobile again
[07:59] <mazal> See what can be done
[07:59] <mazal> But I am sooooooooo thinking of chuking the case
[07:59] <Kilos> no man
[08:00] <Kilos> size of drive in it?
[08:00] <Kilos> and whats a def power supply
[08:01] <mazal> 2TB
[08:02] <Kilos> oooo lekker
[08:02] <Kilos> nurse it
[08:41] <nlsthzn> anyone know of a way to update zeitgeist or what ever the indexer for unity is... I have installed two different apps and can't see them now (I know once I reboot they should be there but don't want to reboot now)?
[08:44] <nlsthzn> brb
[08:44] <nlsthzn> :/
[08:59] <magespawn> Kilos ddrescue or gddrescue I think
[09:00] <magespawn> mazal that power supply has to match the one for the drive in terms of volts,amps and watts the jack has to have the same polairty
[09:02] <magespawn> any good electronics store should be able to help, take along the old power supply for comparison
[09:02] <mazal> magespawn, the user says she already has been everywhere and nobody could supply one
[09:02] <Kilos> ah ty magespawn i see its in repos for maverick
[09:03] <magespawn> mazal strange
[09:04] <Kilos> both of them
[09:04] <Kilos> hehe i got more tools to play with
[09:05] <mazal> magespawn, that's why she eventually contacted samsung sa head office and even the one they send didn't work
[09:05]  * inetpro looking for a command to list number and cumulative size of files in a folder by file extension
[09:06] <Kilos> and foremost was the other one magespawn mazal
[09:06] <Kilos> just hit me
[09:06] <mazal> That's why I think change it to internal drive
[09:06] <magespawn> that might not work, some externals have specific controller cards in the case
[09:06] <Kilos> mazal, are the plugs at the ends good still with a bit of the cable left?
[09:07] <Kilos> especially the one to the external
[09:07] <mazal> I dunno Kilos , I haven't seen it myself yet. Will go and look once I am healthy and mobile again. All of this info is as she gave it to me
[09:07] <Kilos> ah
[09:08] <Kilos> get it delivered
[09:08] <mazal> Maybe they missed something I can see
[09:08] <Kilos> dont deliver deliver is de best part
[09:09] <Kilos> one side must be usb
[09:09] <mazal> What bothers me as that the one samsung themself send her don't work
[09:09] <Kilos> so you can cut a usb cable up for the pc end
[09:10] <Kilos> maybe controller messed up
[09:10] <mazal> And as I could gather , this thing have been in the post as well
[09:10] <mazal> That bothers me too
[09:11] <mazal> Dunno what hammering it took maybe
[09:11] <Kilos> oh my
[09:11] <Kilos> no handle with care sticker. as if the postal peeps care
[09:12] <mazal> Will know more when I see it and talk to her again
[09:16] <inetpro> one nice summary: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 file | cut -f2 -d: | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
[09:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:17] <Kilos> all them pipes
[09:22] <magespawn> inetpro is there a limit to how many pipes you can use
[09:22] <magespawn> ?
[09:23] <Kilos> looks like the limit is the number of destinations you find
[09:24] <inetpro> magespawn: memory
[09:25] <inetpro> obviously the above example doesn't give me a summary of the size
[09:25] <inetpro> just the number of files by type of file
[09:25] <magespawn> obviously
[09:25] <inetpro> which is kind of nice
[09:26] <magespawn> the only thing obvious to the rest of use from that example is that it does something and has pipes
[09:26] <magespawn> lol
[09:26] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[09:26] <inetpro> ai
[09:26] <Kilos> at times he is too clever for his own good
[09:27] <magespawn> but he must keep sharing that is how the rest of us learn
[09:27] <Kilos> yeah
[09:27] <Kilos> ty goosie
[09:30] <Kilos> ill stick to the nuts and bolts
[09:33] <Kilos> i see testdisk can also rewrite the mbr
[09:42] <inetpro> heh magespawn, that command may not be most efficient
[09:43] <inetpro> I'm hoping that the fly or the weed will come with a better solution
[09:44] <inetpro> or anyone else for that matter
[09:45] <inetpro> then if it's not available yet someone should actually have it scripted or compiled as a standard command on *nix
[10:06] <Kilos-> lo Vince-0
[10:09] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos-
[10:21] <Vince-0> work work
[10:21] <inetpro> Vince-0: go work!
[10:22] <Vince-0> meh
[10:22] <inetpro> lol
[10:22] <Vince-0> *peon voice: work work
[10:22] <Kilos-> lol
[10:22] <Vince-0> *peon voice: we don't have enough gold
[10:22] <inetpro> work is more fun than fun
[10:23] <Vince-0> ya research work , but suppor work is kaak
[10:23] <Kilos-> you gotta look at work from a different angle
[10:23] <inetpro> Kilos-: you have a tail
[10:23] <Kilos-> without work no food place to stay and no internet
[10:23] <Kilos-> oh my
[10:24] <Kilos> ty goosie
[10:24] <Kilos> hehe thats as bad as flahhh
[10:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:34] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[10:34] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[10:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:38] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:38] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:55] <inetpro> btw, the following can also give a nice relevant summary
[10:55] <inetpro> find . -type f -exec basename {} \; |  grep  '\.' | sed 's/^[^.]*\.//g' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
[10:55] <inetpro> sadly basename can not handle multiple files at once
[10:57] <mazal> Ish , that makes my head hurt :P
[10:57] <inetpro> mazal: you have a better solution?
[10:59] <mazal> no way , I'm not smart enough hehehe
[11:01] <mazal> Amazing the stuff you huys know
[11:01] <mazal> guys even
[11:02] <inetpro> mazal: google is your friend
[11:03] <Kilos> eek
[11:06] <confluency> inetpro: that gets confused by filenames with dots.
[11:06] <magespawn> mazal check out http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/
[11:06] <charl_> moshi moshi
[11:06] <magespawn> lol
[11:06] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:06] <charl_> good afternoon all
[11:07] <magespawn> hey charl_ confluency
[11:07] <confluency> inetpro: just replace [^.] with .
[11:09] <charl_> hi magespawn
[11:10] <magespawn> like so confluency find . -type f -exec basename {} \; |  grep  '\.' | sed 's/^.*\.//g' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
[11:10] <confluency> Yes.
[11:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:10] <magespawn> it all looks a bit like heiroglyphics to me
[11:11] <confluency> This is an odd thing to need -- why a breakdown by file type, not by directory?
[11:15] <inetpro> confluency: oh thanks, that helps even if the previous one is also relevant
[11:17] <inetpro> confluency: I just wanted a summary of files on one of my web servers
[11:20] <magespawn> ooh cook that reminds me brb
[11:22] <magespawn> right back
[11:25] <mazal> inetpro, indeed , but scripting isn't. I get confused with all the dots and commas and all
[11:28] <mazal> I once worked through that cli manual. And enjoyed it. But I keep forgetting
[11:32] <mazal> This was my attempt at scripting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1396713/  An elementary menu script. Bit of a mess hey
[11:51] <inetpro> sjoe
[11:52]  * inetpro would die a silent death if forced to use that menu for administering *nix boxen
[11:52] <inetpro> mazal: no offence
[11:52] <inetpro> offense*
[11:52] <inetpro> I like the idea
[11:53] <inetpro> better to know what you do though and type those commands as needed
[11:55] <mazal> Ja that was just a little project to try and learn scripting
[11:55] <mazal> Have never actually used that
[11:55] <mazal> I wanted to learn and didn't know what to try and build , so I sommer used the menu idea
[11:56] <inetpro> nice one to learn
[11:56] <inetpro> so many ways to skin a cat
[11:56] <mazal> But then got frustrated cos I couldn't get it more streamline and better
[11:57] <mazal> At least I tried , took a long time
[11:57] <inetpro> TMTOWTDI
[11:58] <mazal> hey ?
[11:59] <inetpro> mazal: TMTOWTDI
[11:59] <inetpro> oops
[11:59] <inetpro> Maaz: TMTOWTDI
[11:59] <Maaz> There's more than one way to do it (TMTOWTDI or TIMTOWTDI, pronounced “Tim Toady”) is a Perl motto.
[12:03] <mazal> aah , nice :)
[12:04] <mazal> That's actually one of the things I like about linux
[12:04] <magespawn> the key maker " Always another way"
[12:04] <mazal> So many options
[12:05] <mazal> And strangely enough , it's actually the cli that hooked back when I tried linux the first time
[14:25] <magespawn> later all
[14:27] <magtie> Hi Kilos
[14:27] <Kilos> afternoon magtie
[14:49] <inetpro> mazal, confluency: (for t in `find . -type f -exec basename {} \; | grep '\.' | sed 's/^.*\.//g' | sort | uniq`;do total=0; find . -name "*.$t" -exec du -k {} \; | awk -v FType=$t '{total += $1} END {print total " " FType}';done) | sort -nr
[14:49] <inetpro> not elegant but it works
[14:50] <mazal> jo
[15:20] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[15:25]  * mazal can't decide to do archiving tonight or tomorrow
[15:31] <Kilos> old sayiing..never put off till tomorrow what you can do today
[15:31] <mazal> hmm
[15:31] <inetpro> mazal: do it now and later and again tomorrow
[15:32] <Kilos> modern version.. never do today what you can put off till tomorrow
[15:32] <inetpro> do it automagically
[15:32]  * inetpro loves rsnapshot
[15:33] <Kilos> have you gone home yet pro
[15:33] <Kilos> havent
[15:34] <mazal> hehehe , inetpro I think I am already paranoid enough with backups :)
[15:34] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[15:35] <Kilos> hmm because you live there
[15:37] <inetpro> Kilos: but I live here also
[15:37] <Kilos> hehe but the food better at home
[15:37] <inetpro> you want me to go away?
[15:37] <Kilos> not from irc dodo
[15:38] <inetpro> :-)
[15:38] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[15:38] <Kilos> stupid 2 tb wont take ubuntu alongside or nothing
[15:39] <Kilos> funny messages when booting from cd
[15:39] <mazal> Ok guys , I go do archiving
[15:39] <mazal> L8tr
[15:39] <Kilos> takes long
[15:39] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos - sorry was working on code
[15:39] <Kilos> cheers mazal
[15:39] <Kilos> np
[15:39] <inetpro>  wont take ubuntu alongside or nothing?
[15:39] <inetpro> that's a bit cryptic IMHO
[15:39] <Kilos> something about sda timeout 10 secs and killal bla bla bla /sda
[15:40] <Kilos> battles to boot from cd
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Kilos> i dont member everything man
[15:40] <inetpro> funny messages is also very cryptic
[15:40] <Kilos> i cant copy paste from there
[15:40] <inetpro> is like you keeping some secrets from us?
[15:41] <Kilos> grr
[15:41] <inetpro> :-)
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <Kilos> twit
[15:41] <Kilos> alongside or nothing is no choice to install anywhere
[15:41] <inetpro> yikes
[15:41] <Kilos> where you went to school
[15:42] <inetpro> how long is a piece of string?
[15:42] <Kilos> go ask for your money back they taught you nothing
[15:42] <inetpro> ai
[15:42] <Kilos> dunno if its a 6+1 block thing or what
[15:44] <inetpro> Kilos: hope somebody can help
[15:44]  * inetpro gotta go
[15:44] <Kilos> but will sort the swine thing sooner or later
[15:44] <Kilos> go safe
[15:44] <Kilos> dont fall off bicycle
[15:44] <inetpro> ya ya
[15:44] <Kilos> rofl
[15:46] <Kilos> even tried a stupid centos cd but looks like they arent live
[15:49] <Kilos> any drive that wont take ubuntu cant leave here
[16:02] <Kilos> wb magtie
[16:30] <Kilos> even unity looks good after days of that other thing
[16:55] <Kilos> ##kilos
[16:55] <Kilos> mazal, ^^
[16:55] <mazal> ta
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:21] <Kilos> hmm net split got only magespawn
[17:39] <Kilos> wb magtie
[17:39] <magtie> tks Kilos
[18:09] <smile4ever> hii! :)
[18:10] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:13] <Banlam> hoerskool centurion on Hackaday today: http://hackaday.com/2012/11/29/science-fair-project-sorts-recyclables
[18:18] <smile4ever> hi oom kilos and banlam :)
[18:18] <smile4ever> high school, Banlam ? :D
[18:18] <Kilos> naand Banlam
[18:18] <Banlam> smile4ever, yeah. it's a high school up in pretoria
[18:18] <Banlam> hi everyone
[18:19] <Banlam> smile4ever, the e should have an umlaut
[18:19] <Banlam> two little dots
[18:19] <smile4ever> Ek het gesien Noord-Kaap en Suid-Kaap het oorwegend Afrikaanstalige bevolking, is daardie bewering korrek? :o
[18:19] <Banlam> noord kaap het min bevolking punt
[18:19] <Banlam> :P
[18:19] <smile4ever> hoërskool! :p
[18:19] <Kilos> hehe
[18:19] <Banlam> yup
[18:19] <Banlam> and the suid-kaap isn't a specific area?
[18:19] <Kilos> thats like by prieska hey
[18:20] <smile4ever> no, banlam? what is it? :P
[18:20] <smile4ever> isn't it a province? :p
[18:20] <Banlam> nope
[18:21] <Banlam> northern cape, western cape, eastern cape, free state, north west, limpopo, mpumalanga, kwa-zulu natal, gauteng
[18:22] <Kilos> most of gautend and western cape is mainly afrikaans methinks
[18:22] <Kilos> or used to be
[18:22] <Banlam> kilos, it's really hard to say
[18:22] <Banlam> western cape does have large percentage, the coloureds help
[18:22] <Banlam> but there aer so many people who haev moved to the cities
[18:22] <Banlam> if you look at areas like khayalitcha
[18:22] <Banlam> which are high population areas
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah here too
[18:22] <Banlam> of non-afrikaans speakears
[18:23] <Banlam> brb
[18:23] <Kilos> durban is english
[18:23] <Kilos> that i know
[18:25] <Kilos> poor nuvolari is lost there
[18:25] <Squirm> lo
[18:26] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[18:35] <mazal> Lo Banlam , smile4ever , Squirm
[18:35] <Banlam> back
[18:37] <Squirm> front
[18:37] <Banlam> :)
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <Kilos> all goos Squirm
[18:38] <Kilos> or still tired
[18:38] <Kilos> good as well
[18:38] <smile4ever> West-Kaap & Noord-Kaap, het ek bedoel ;)
[18:38] <Banlam> ah k
[18:39] <Squirm> Kilos: after a few beers now. I can hardly keep my eyes open
[18:39] <Kilos> you gonna get a boepens
[18:39] <Squirm> oh well
[18:40] <Squirm> I play enough squash
[18:40] <Kilos> ah
[18:40] <mazal> Maaz , beer
[18:40] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[18:40] <mazal> lol
[18:40] <Banlam> squash \o/
[18:41] <Banlam> smile4ever, according to StatsSA: NC: 54%, WC: 50%, adn the next highest is FS: 13%
[18:41] <Banlam> http://www.world-data-atlas.com/statssa/
[18:42]  * smile4ever looks
[18:42] <Banlam> click on "Provinces" in the top right
[18:43] <Banlam> then scroll down for "Languages - Afrikaans"
[18:44] <smile4ever> I found it :D
[18:45] <Kilos> are them stats up to date
[18:45] <Banlam> supposed to be
[18:45] <Banlam> the results are from the Oct 2011 census
[18:46] <Banlam> i
[18:46] <Kilos> ah
[18:46] <Banlam> i'll admit i'm slightly surprised
[18:46] <mazal> Me too
[18:46] <smile4ever> WC has really a lot of Afrikaans speakers :p
[18:46] <smile4ever> :D
[18:46] <mazal> Didn't think the cape is that high
[18:46] <Kilos> i though the western cape was like 80% afrikaans
[18:46] <Banlam> nor did i
[18:46] <Kilos> things change hey
[18:47] <Banlam> o.O
[18:47] <Banlam> Kilos, the results from 1996 aren't much different
[18:47] <Kilos> how far back can you go?
[18:47] <Banlam> 1996
[18:47] <Banlam> 1996 WC was 59%
[18:48] <Kilos> i stayed at the gordons bay hotel once and there were no english peeps around
[18:48] <Banlam> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> and stellenbosch too
[18:49] <Kilos> we went to ride footups there
[18:49] <Banlam> stellenbosch is quite heavily afrikaans yes
[18:49] <Banlam> footups?
[18:49] <mazal> I must visit cape town one day
[18:49] <Kilos> footup trials
[18:49] <Banlam> i still don't know what that is
[18:50] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0bTII35DA
[18:50] <Kilos> http://www.trials.co.za/
[18:51] <Kilos> also called observed trials
[18:51] <Banlam> ah ok
[18:56] <Kilos> very quiet here tonight
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro, you are right
[18:56]  * inetpro wonders why
[18:56] <Kilos> power cut killed maverick
[18:57] <Banlam> chat later, i'm off to table tennis
[18:57] <inetpro> s/wonders/wanders/
[18:57] <inetpro> Banlam: geniet!
[18:57] <Banlam> dankie
[18:57] <Kilos> recovery mode goes to 2.868005  <irq> and stays there
[18:57] <Kilos> wanders is moving around
[18:58] <Kilos> toods Banlam
[18:58] <inetpro> yikes
[18:58] <inetpro> I always get deurmekaar with that
[18:58] <inetpro> not as easy as sed and awk
[18:59] <Kilos> wonder en wonder same word spelling and meaning
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: danke
[19:00] <Kilos> Bitteschön
[19:00] <Kilos> hehe
[19:00] <inetpro> btw Kilos, what was I right with?
[19:00] <Kilos> stole that from maaz
[19:00] <Kilos> power cuts being bad for software
[19:00] <inetpro> ai
[19:01] <Kilos> and my maverick desktop is full of useful packages and files and commands and a coupla isos
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: what happened?
[19:04] <Kilos> power cut again for 20 secs
[19:04] <inetpro> did you not have a ups?
[19:04] <Kilos> then i came to this pc with unity and psu
[19:04] <Kilos> ups
[19:04] <Kilos> told you today ups was on other pc
[19:04]  * Kilos cries
[19:05] <Kilos> my lovely lovely irreplacable maveric
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: ups = Uninterruptible Power Supply
[19:05] <Kilos> ya that
[19:05] <Kilos> its here on 12.04
[19:06] <Kilos> maverick on other pc
[19:07] <Kilos> but
[19:07] <Kilos> haha
[19:07] <Kilos> i got maverick on 20g drive i made for sister and its got boot-repair
[19:07] <Kilos> so there is hope yet
[19:09]  * mazal gaan duik
[19:09] <mazal> Lekker slaap almal
[19:09] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: when the power goes down you usually stay on a bit, how do you do that?
[19:12] <inetpro> mage[tab] bye
[19:12] <Kilos> i was on that pc when poower went off
[19:12] <inetpro> on that pc?
[19:12] <Kilos> now i got it to the grub prompt
[19:13] <Kilos> the one with maverick and no ups
[19:13] <inetpro> you have a ups on the one pc but not on the other?
[19:13] <Kilos> ya
[19:13] <inetpro> ai
[19:13] <Kilos> too far apart
[19:13] <inetpro> and the one with the ups crashed?
[19:13] <Kilos> no the one without the ups
[19:13] <inetpro> ahh
[19:13] <inetpro> nou verstaan ek beter
[19:14] <inetpro> was 'n lang dag
[19:14] <Kilos> one with ups is where i been doin g the repair to the 2 tb drive
[19:15] <inetpro> ya power failures are no good for a system, even though systems are so much more robust these days
[19:15] <Kilos> when in grub prompt and you type help the help file flashes past too wuick to see how do i  get it page for page?
[19:16] <inetpro> like I said in that other channel of yours in the olden days you even had to park the drive to prevent a crash
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Kilos> i gotta fix maverick
[19:16] <Kilos> i will fix maverick
[19:17] <inetpro> of course you will
[19:17] <inetpro> the hardware should be fine
[19:18]  * inetpro hasn't worked enough in the grub interface
[19:18] <inetpro> maybe you can pipe to more as in | more
[19:18] <inetpro> that is fairly standard
[19:19] <inetpro> even since dos
[19:20] <Kilos> maybe its easier to put sisters drive there as sda and boot-repair
[19:20] <Kilos> i got a few saved downloaded pages on how to fix when on grub> on maverick
[19:20] <Kilos> hehe
[19:21] <inetpro> what are the symptoms?
[19:22] <inetpro> just the mbr again?
[19:22] <Kilos> cant boot into desktop
[19:22] <Kilos> no
[19:22] <inetpro> what are the symptoms?
[19:22] <Kilos> its maverick
[19:22] <Kilos> it boots to grub menu
[19:22] <Kilos> but recovery is corrupt
[19:23] <Kilos> and that command thing there cant install stuff
[19:23] <inetpro> so you do see the grub menu?
[19:24] <Kilos> yes
[19:24] <inetpro> and when you choose an option?
[19:24] <Kilos> recovery runs scripts then hangs
[19:24] <inetpro> ai
[19:24] <Kilos> both of them but at different places
[19:25] <Kilos> latest one stops at irq number
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:26] <Kilos> no worry inetpro lemme put sisters drive in there
[19:26] <Kilos> im sure boot-repair will fix it
[19:27] <inetpro> maybe you should create a small /boot separate partition  next time
[19:27] <Kilos> it is 2g
[19:28] <Kilos> i can install another releasae and not format home as well
[19:28] <Kilos> but i love maverick
[19:29] <inetpro> if you keep a separate boot partition and something breaks then you have less to fix
[19:30] <smile4ever> byeeee :p
[19:30] <Kilos> toods smile4ever
[19:30] <inetpro> smile4ever: lekker slaap
[19:30] <Kilos> yip i always install with / /boot /home and /storage
[19:31] <smile4ever> dankie inetpro
[19:31] <Kilos> even unity and kde are done like that
[19:31] <smile4ever> dag oom kilos :p
[19:31] <Kilos> nag smile4ever
[19:31] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:31] <smile4ever> :D
[19:31] <Kilos> dag is day
[19:31] <inetpro> ahh
[19:31] <Kilos> or hello
[19:32] <inetpro> lol
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: hy't dit gemis
[19:33] <Kilos> ya man
[19:33] <Kilos> ai
[19:33] <Kilos> onthou my more om hom te se
[19:38] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[19:38] <inetpro> sukkel jy?
[19:39]  * inetpro wonder waar bly superfly vandag
[19:39] <Kilos> his quassel core is sick again
[19:39] <Kilos> hy jaag om goed klaar te kry
[19:39] <superfly> very busy
[19:40] <inetpro> superfly: sorry
[19:40] <Kilos> het jy daai ding van hom gesien inetpro
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: openlp
[19:40] <inetpro> ?
[19:40] <Kilos> ya
[19:40] <Kilos> i installed it here
[19:40] <inetpro> ja daai ding is ongelooflik
[19:41] <Kilos> lovely hey?
[19:41] <inetpro> weet nie hoekom enigiemand iets anders sal gebruik vir kerk doeleindes nie
[19:41] <Kilos> ek stem
[19:42] <inetpro> jy kan selfs die slideshow met jou selfoon dryf terwyl jy in jou kerbank sit
[19:42] <Kilos> wonderlik ne
[19:43] <inetpro> en dit word net elke dag beter en beter
[19:43] <Kilos> ja but he needs to get lotsa sleep
[19:44] <Kilos> missed sleep takes ages to catch up
[19:44] <inetpro> nee man, hy weet hoe om te slaap
[19:44] <Kilos> ja man maar hy het nie goeg tyd nie
[19:44] <inetpro> lol
[19:45] <inetpro> een van die dae het hy vakansie dan kan hy lekker slaap inhaal
[19:45] <Kilos> ja maar dis moelik met kleintjies by
[19:46] <Kilos> en hy het seker nog goed aan die gang ook
[19:46] <inetpro> ai
[19:47] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:47] <Kilos> nou hang sis se maverick
[19:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:47] <Kilos> eerste keer
[19:47] <Kilos> in die middel van boot-repair\
[19:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:48] <inetpro> jy seker dit hang?
[19:48] <Kilos> dit wys daai ubuntu login skerm met die 5 rooi dotjies
[19:48] <inetpro> sometimes things look like they are hanging when suddenly all goes on again
[19:49]  * inetpro hates the rooi dotjies
[19:49] <Kilos> it was on a desktop with boot-repair running
[19:49] <inetpro> I always disable the splash thingy
[19:49]  * inetpro wants to see what is happenin
[19:49] <Kilos> now thats gone and that page with dots showing but no movement
[19:50] <Kilos> if it stops boot-repair halfway both drives gone
[19:51] <Kilos> no ctrl+alt+f1 or f2
[19:51] <Kilos> sigh
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you do a boot-repair while you have the bootup splash screen?
[19:54] <Kilos> her drive booted all the way in
[19:54] <inetpro> and?
[19:54] <Kilos> then i ran boot-repair
[19:54] <inetpro> from?
[19:54] <Kilos> places admin boot-repair
[19:55] <Kilos> it ran for about 10 mins scanning drives
[19:55] <inetpro> and then you rebooted?
[19:55] <Kilos> then splash screen
[19:55] <Kilos> weird
[19:55] <inetpro> nee man
[19:55] <Kilos> nope it didnt finish and say you can now reboot
[19:55] <inetpro> I verstaan nie lekker nie
[19:56] <Kilos> while boot-repair was running still the splash screen came up
[19:56] <inetpro> so you start boot-repair after getting fully into the working system?
[19:56] <Kilos> yessir
[19:57] <inetpro> what does it do?
[19:57] <inetpro> what does it have to do with the splash screen?
[19:57] <Kilos> it scans drives then fixes boot areas and then says now you can reboot
[19:57] <Kilos> it  has never done this before
[19:58] <inetpro> is it a gui thing?
[19:58] <Kilos> ya
[19:58] <inetpro> ai
[19:58] <Kilos> it can run on one desktop while you carry on on the others
[19:58]  * inetpro hates gui
[19:59] <Kilos> you can also do sudo boot-repair
[19:59] <Kilos> but still get a little window
[19:59] <inetpro> nee man
[19:59] <Kilos> huh
[19:59]  * inetpro would never do a low level disk repairing with a gui tool
[20:00] <Kilos> it ask for password when it starts from places admin as well so
[20:00] <Kilos> works from root
[20:00] <inetpro> ai ai ai
[20:01] <Kilos> looks like goodbye maverick
[20:01] <Kilos> ai ai ai
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: says who?
[20:04] <Kilos> dunno if i will get to grub> again or even initramfs
[20:04] <Kilos> will see
[20:04] <Kilos> scared to turn it off
[20:05] <inetpro> why can you not just do the cli thing?
[20:05] <inetpro> sudo grub-install /dev/XXX
[20:05] <inetpro> where XXX is the device of your Ubuntu install. (eg: grub-install /dev/sdb)
[20:06] <Kilos> shoulda told me that before i tried boot repair
[20:07] <inetpro> boot repair should not mess up your partitions
[20:07] <inetpro> they should all be safe
[20:08] <Kilos> her drive dont boot
[20:08] <inetpro> well
[20:08] <Kilos> trying recovery
[20:08] <inetpro> teh partitions should still be ok
[20:08] <inetpro> unless you broke them
[20:08] <Kilos> ?
[20:09] <inetpro> what options did you choose with boot-repair?
[20:09] <Kilos> it didnt get to options
[20:09] <Kilos> normally use recommended one though
[20:10] <Kilos> was still scanning
[20:10] <inetpro> you just clicked the "Recommended repair" button?
[20:10] <Kilos> it didnt get that far
[20:10] <inetpro> boot up with live cd
[20:11] <inetpro> and in fact, don't even go to the gui
[20:11] <inetpro> just go to the cli to start
[20:12]  * inetpro hasn't done this for a long time, can you even boot to the cli with a live cd these days?
[20:13] <Kilos> booting to maverick cd
[20:13] <Kilos> eeek
[20:13] <Kilos> lotsa red text in the background
[20:14] <inetpro> why?
[20:14] <Kilos> fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed is the last line
[20:14] <Kilos> ?
[20:14] <inetpro> ai
[20:15] <Kilos> everything is different
[20:16] <Kilos> showing text from live cd
[20:16] <Kilos> ?
[20:17] <Kilos> oh my
[20:17] <inetpro> everything is different?
[20:18] <inetpro> what?
[20:18] <inetpro> you fell off your chair?
[20:18] <Kilos> never seen text when booting from live cd
[20:18] <inetpro> ai
[20:19] <Kilos> lol
[20:20] <Kilos> maybe i can bring drive here and do sudo fsck -f /sdb
[20:20] <inetpro> nee
[20:21] <inetpro> well, before you try that just try the very simple sudo grub-install /dev/XXX
[20:21] <Kilos> live cd now stopped by kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10
[20:21] <Kilos> cant boot from maverick cd
[20:22] <inetpro> now what does that tell you?
[20:22] <inetpro> try remove you HDD entirely and boot with live cd again
[20:22] <Kilos> live cd now stopped by kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10
[20:22] <Kilos> lotsa text before that
[20:22] <inetpro> Kilos: try remove you HDD entirely and boot with live cd again
[20:23] <Kilos> there are sis_init and kernel_init lines
[20:23] <inetpro> the cd is read only, so can only be damaged by scratches
[20:23] <Kilos> ok
[20:23] <inetpro> press and hold the button to shut down
[20:23] <Kilos> ya
[20:23] <inetpro> don't just pull the plug, as mentioned earlier today
[20:24] <Kilos> 4 secs
[20:25] <inetpro> now remove all HDD drive cables and boot again with live cd
[20:25] <inetpro> obviously with the cd cables connected :-)
[20:26] <Kilos> hehe
[20:26] <inetpro> s/HDD drives cables/HDD cables/
[20:26] <Kilos> uhoh
[20:26] <inetpro> ai
[20:26] <Kilos> same script
[20:27] <inetpro> lol
[20:27] <Kilos> no live cd boot
[20:27] <Kilos> battery out time again
[20:27] <inetpro> huh?
[20:27] <Kilos> same text when booting from live cd
[20:27] <Kilos> maybe cd faulty
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:28] <inetpro> maybe hardware faulty
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe sjoe sjoe
[20:28] <inetpro> so at least you know it should not be the drive
[20:28] <Kilos> and look at the time
[20:28] <Kilos> you gotta go sleep
[20:28] <Kilos> and me
[20:28] <Kilos> yeah hopefully
[20:29] <inetpro> try resetting the bios thing as you said... well, tomorrow
[20:29] <Kilos> yeah will do when i awake
[20:29] <Kilos> ty for your help inetpro
[20:29] <inetpro> np
[20:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:30] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[20:30] <Kilos> sien julle môre
[20:30] <Kilos> gaan slaap jy ook
[20:30] <Kilos> nou
[20:30] <Kilos> nie later nie inetpro
[20:31] <inetpro> ai
[20:31] <inetpro> te vroeg for me
[20:31] <Kilos> nee man
[20:31] <Kilos> jy oud
[20:31] <inetpro> lol
[20:31] <Kilos> hee hee
[20:31]  * inetpro can't remember the last time I slept before midnight
[20:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:32] <inetpro> actually I'm lying
[20:32] <Kilos> and you wake when
[20:32] <inetpro> yesterday I think was early
[20:32] <inetpro> something like 23:50
[20:32] <Kilos> ai
[20:32] <inetpro> and wake at ~7:00
[20:33] <Kilos> go sleep now
[20:33] <Kilos> you had a long day
[20:33] <inetpro> ja ja
[20:33] <Kilos> ah 7 hours is good
[20:33] <Kilos> nag boetie
[20:33] <inetpro> nag oom
[20:33] <Kilos> stuur die vlieg ook bed toe
[20:33] <inetpro> haha
[20:34] <inetpro> jy kan hom niks vertel nie
[20:34] <inetpro> nag oom Ki[tab]
[21:46] <bakuman> Looks like te Sputnik has finally been released


[03:37] <robotgeek> nixternal: is there a task list for kubuntu tasks?
[03:38] <jjesse> robotgeek: working on verifying all the docs are accurate for kde4
[03:39] <robotgeek> jjesse: i'm downloading alpha5 as we speak, should be in a vm shortly.
[03:40] <jjesse> robotgeek: cool i'm slowly working through the docs right now but wouldn't mind an extra eye on things
[03:40] <kgoetz> Kamping_Kaiser:
[03:41] <robotgeek> jjesse: just tell me which ones you are working on, and i will look elsewhere
[03:41] <robotgeek> kgoetz: hello :)
[03:42] <jjesse> robotgeek: the entities kde-menus-c.ent needs to be verified for application launcher settings
[03:42] <kgoetz> robotgeek: hey mate :)
[03:44] <robotgeek> jjesse: okay, i will ping you or email the list when i run through those
[03:44] <jjesse> cool thanks
[03:45] <jjesse> robotgeek: thats under kubuntu-hardy/kubuntu-kde4/libs/kde-menu-C.ent
[03:47] <robotgeek> jjesse: thanks, pulling in from bzr
[03:55] <jjesse> robotgeek: no problem thanks for helping out :)
[03:57] <robotgeek> my pleasure
[05:40] <robotgeek> nixternal: why does bzr diff kde-menu-C.ent not show only my changes?
[05:41] <nixternal> there are other changes somewhere...probably because jjesse upload a change recently?
[05:41] <robotgeek> nixternal: bzr status shows pending merges (including jjesse's stuff)
[05:42] <robotgeek> damn bzr noobs!
[05:42] <nixternal> pull in his changes and give it a shot...I am actually a bzr dummy
[05:42] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:43] <robotgeek> i did a checkout from mde's initial upload, the did a bzr merge with the kubuntu-hardy url
[05:43] <nixternal> hrmm, I just checked out the Kubuntu stuff
[05:43] <nixternal> didn't feel like having a ton of docs all over my machine
[05:44] <robotgeek> I followed what was mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository under advanced
[05:49] <robotgeek> lemme retry the steps
[05:49] <nixternal> ya, when it comes to merging and what not, I am definitely lost with bzr
[05:50] <robotgeek> when all else fails, scratch and redo
[05:53]  * kgoetz should update his docs checkout
[05:55] <nixternal> hehe
[05:57] <kgoetz> is it far to string freeze?
[06:04] <kgoetz> afk. heading home
[06:04] <kgoetz> via the hut :\
[06:04] <kgoetz> probably pick up there too
[06:26] <nixternal> kgoetz: 1 month
[07:14] <robotgeek> finally got everything checked out, lol
[07:15] <robotgeek> now, i can begin working. i will correct the Repository page tomorrow
[07:15] <robotgeek> night
[10:27] <dencrypt> morning