[19:17] <c0ldfront> Afternoon I am trying to get Cloud9 IDE up and running (https://github.com/c9/core/). I have everything up and running but when I try and run a script it starts but doesnt produce a local ip:port for local previewing the nodejs code. I don't know if anyone has installed cloud9 locally or used it before and has any information on why it wouldn't give a local ip:port. Also I am running Ubuntu 12
[19:17] <c0ldfront> under a VM, the connection is Bridged to my main nic. Could this be the problem due to a route? here is the code i am running which is pretty simple (http://pastebin.com/npyztTqV). This is also the example they gave to use on cloud9's website.
[19:18] <elhoir> daftykins, what about "rm -rf ~/.config" ?
[19:19] <daftykins> elhoir: better: mv ~/.config ~/.configold
[19:19] <c0ldfront> Sorry nothing I just fixed the problem:/ after working on it for 6 hours now
[19:19] <c0ldfront> thanks
[19:19] <brmph> c0ldfront: Be aware this is ubutnu from there repos support in general.
[19:19] <EriC^> elhoir: does the guest account work?
[19:19] <brmph> ubuntu*
[19:20] <elhoir> EriC^, yes, i already tested it
[19:20] <elhoir> daftykins, ok, closing session and opening again.... give me a min
[19:20] <donofrio> anyone here use more than one workstation at the same time?  besides synergy what other good tools do you use.  do you watch media and how do you do xandr like https://askubuntu.com/questions/614078/please-help-with-kodi-and-disabled-monitor
[19:21] <donofrio> bus instead of switching output's I want to "bridge" the displays....anyone do this?
[19:21] <daftykins> donofrio: no idea what you mean.
[19:22] <elhoir> daftykins, nope, no success :(
[19:22] <elhoir> icons are loaded now, but no unity panel
[19:22] <daftykins> elhoir: also "mv ~/.compiz ~/.compizold
[19:22] <Allmighty> Hello, I have uninstalled an application in ubuntu 14.04 but still the icon of the app is present in the search menu. What to do?
[19:23] <genii> YokoBR: Probably best to symlink liblzma.so.1 to the system's existing liblzma.so.5
[19:23] <EriC^^> elhoir: sounds like you're on the right track
[19:23] <daftykins> elhoir: and ~/.config/.compiz-1 if it exists
[19:23] <daftykins> oh we renamed .config so that one doesn't matter
[19:23] <daftykins> ignore me
[19:23] <elhoir> yeah :)
[19:23] <donofrio> daftykins: here is my current setup - picpaste.com/right-side-profile-of-new-cube-8-2014-i6e9pfJi.jpg, I want to get the three desktop's replaced with six intel hdmi sticks but want to join the displays this time as well
[19:23] <brmph> Allmighty: App?what desktop? what release?
[19:24] <elhoir> restarting session again.....
[19:24] <YokoBR> hmmm
[19:24] <YokoBR> genii: and where is the lib locateed?
[19:24] <daftykins> donofrio: "intel HDMI sticks" - what?
[19:25] <Allmighty> brmph, ciaro-dock, unity desktop, ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[19:25] <brmph> donofrio: You were here yesterday what is it you don't get to mjust do it?
[19:25] <brmph> just*
[19:25] <root> hello!
[19:25] <genii> YokoBR: For 32 bit: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5    for 64 bit: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5
[19:25] <brmph> Allmighty: I would have purged cairo-dock, you may just need to restart the desktop, should be gone.
[19:26] <YokoBR> wow
[19:26] <YokoBR> thank you
[19:26] <Allmighty> I have done that. Everything is gone just the icon is remaining.
[19:26] <Allmighty> brmph
[19:26] <elhoir> oh what the
[19:27] <elhoir> it magically started working :P
[19:27] <elhoir> daftykins, thank you so much :)
[19:27] <daftykins> \o/
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> daftykins  +1
[19:27] <daftykins> elhoir: no problem, same ok on the second system?
[19:27] <elhoir> let me test it! give  me few mins!
[19:27] <brmph> Allmighty: No idea, than I use cairom in the gnome shell, if removed it is gone, are you sure it is? How exactly was it removed? Where is the icon exactly?
[19:28] <daftykins> elhoir: bear in mind renaming your .config has likely moved lots of your software application configs, but you can move these back in on a per-application basis so you don't have to configure them again
[19:29] <Allmighty> brmph, where there is ubuntu sign shows search your computer and online sources.
[19:29] <brmph> Allmighty: Not sure here, sorry.
[19:30] <Allmighty> brmph, okay.
[19:32] <donofrio> I didn't see a "todays technology" take on this everythiong about joining diskplays points back to xorg.conf....that is why I'm asking what tools multidisplay users use.
[19:32] <brmph> donofrio: THis channel is not for polling
[19:33] <elhoir> daftykins, rebooting computer now....
[19:33] <daftykins> donofrio: i just don't understand what you mean by "intel HDMI stick" nor what your graphics hardware setup is right now, or what you want to achieve.
[19:33] <daftykins> it sounds like you want a single X server instance with all 6 displays
[19:34] <brmph> daftykins: There is a ubuntu on a flash from intell
[19:34] <daftykins> brmph: sorry you don't make any sense.
[19:35] <elhoir> daftykins, WORKED TOO :d
[19:35] <elhoir> :D
[19:35] <brmph> daftykins: This user want to use these as his OS
[19:35] <brmph> 6 of them I believe
[19:35] <donofrio> daftykins: sorta right now I run the whole setup on three desktop's - with two displays each, joined together with synergy, seen the intel sicks are ~100$ so figured I could get rid of the three desktops and use six sticks (one for each display) but I want to "join por birdge" them together this time...
[19:35] <daftykins> no idea what device you're talking about.
[19:36] <daftykins> donofrio: nah sounds like a terrible idea. why do you use 3 separate PCs? why not just one with multiple graphics cards / a single graphics card with multiple outputs?
[19:36] <donofrio> here is current photo tinyurl.com/standingeatingsalidatwork2015
[19:36] <daftykins> i doubt you can get 6 off one graphics card, but maybe 3+
[19:37] <donofrio> daftykins: done that spend thousands in the past now-a-days I've found if I use use desktops and with syner its almost perfect.
[19:37] <donofrio> synergy I meant
[19:37] <hello__world_> hello, i haz a question :  can you CTRL-C during  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh -a" ?
[19:37] <brmph> daftykins: It's a bit kookie, I was just trying to translate, from the large amount of time spent here yesterday by them.
[19:37] <daftykins> donofrio: done what? the single PC approach?
[19:38] <daftykins> brmph: ok but i sense you both aren't native English speakers :P
[19:38] <Guest52232> I have install ubuntu 14.04 how do I know that weather i have a unity desktop or genome desktop?
[19:38] <brmph> daftykins: Hardly, you actually know me by other nicks.
[19:38] <elhoir> Guestuh, thats easy :)
[19:38] <daftykins> poor me :>
[19:38] <elhoir> Guest52232, thats easy :)
[19:38] <brmph> lol
[19:38] <donofrio> daftykins: in that each display with have it's own detecated quad core as opposed to the dual cores the i5's are...unless well maybe I'm crazy
[19:38] <daftykins> elhoir: hurrah \o/
[19:39] <elhoir> Guest52232, do u have a left-side panel?
[19:39] <elhoir> daftykins, thank you so much, man :)
[19:39] <Guest52232> elhoir, yes.
[19:39] <daftykins> donofrio: you do know that little stick computers are barely capable ARM chips? they may be quad, but 4 x 0 = not a lot :)
[19:39] <elhoir> Guest52232, then you are using Unity :)
[19:39] <daftykins> elhoir: my pleasure :>
[19:40] <donofrio> daftykins: the intel sticks are x86
[19:40] <Guest52232> elhoir, which one is better gnome or unity?
[19:40] <donofrio> not like that matters arm if fine
[19:40] <elhoir> depends on you
[19:40] <daftykins> donofrio: oh so probably the atoms, they'll still be rubbish.
[19:40] <donofrio> if = is
[19:40] <elhoir> Guest52232, choose the one that fits your needs
[19:40] <daftykins> stick to what you've got
[19:40] <hello__world_> bouhouhou i apt-get upgrade an old config and broke everythiiing :(
[19:41] <donofrio> oh ok, well how would I join all three of my deskstop displays to be one wide 16.9 display?
[19:41] <Guest52232> elhoir, can I change my desktop to gnome?
[19:41] <elhoir> Guest52232, of course, you can at the login page
[19:42] <daftykins> donofrio: don't know, they're on different hosts.
[19:42] <brmph> Guest52232: Which gnome, the shell or fallback?
[19:42] <ging> will apt-get upgrade --target-rlease trusty-security have the effect of installing only security updates on trusty?
[19:43] <brmph> ging: What is the end goal here?
[19:43] <donofrio> daftykins: yes three seprate installed desktop
[19:43] <daftykins> donofrio: what's wrong with how you use them now? (synergy)
[19:43] <ging> apply security patches to a machine without unattended upgrades enabled
[19:44] <ging> as 1 off
[19:44] <MonkeyDust> ging  there's also possibility to !pin upgrades
[19:44] <le_pig> As the bcrypt package is currently decrypt-only, what are people using in its place?
[19:44] <Allmighty> hello, how can I remove an icon which is stuck in search menu even after  uninstalling the application. I have tried purged.
[19:45] <EriC^^> Allmighty: which package?
[19:45] <donofrio> when I play media I can only expand to two displays that are physicall connected to the desktop, I have two more desktop's that I'd like to turn my setup into a drivin :)
[19:45] <elhoir> everything works as expected now :D
[19:45] <elhoir> what about the gnome (compiz) session? lets see :)
[19:46] <daftykins> donofrio: oh i see, so play video across all 6... yeah no idea with 3 separate hosts, which is why i suggested a single PC with a 6-head graphics card
[19:46] <Allmighty> EriC^^, package means name of the application?
[19:46] <EriC^^> Allmighty: yeah
[19:47] <Allmighty> EriC^^, cairo-dock.
[19:47] <EriC^^> Allmighty: if you run dpkg -l | grep cairo-dock , does it show up?
[19:47] <elhoir> hmm.. it loaded unity instead of gnome flashback
[19:47] <elhoir> still, unity is working :)
[19:47] <ging> MonkeyDust: i don't want to make any config changes, i just want a command which will take an ubuntu machine from an unknown state to fully up to date with security patching, this command seem to do exactly that, but when i was looking for it online, all the solutions were more complex
[19:47] <ja_> I'd use the ubuntu-sdk but I have an error with import Ubuntu.Components 1.1
[19:47] <SchrodingersScat> le_pig: guess that depends on how you were using it?  you could gpg encrypt things, there's encfs
[19:48] <daftykins> ging: disable the non-security repo, dist-upgrade, re-enable?
[19:48] <ja_> in Main.qml : Errors while reading typeinfo ...
[19:48] <ja_> I found stuff on the internet but nothing much.
[19:49] <ja_> You are using ubuntu-sdk with ubuntu15 here?
[19:49] <ging> daftykins: why do i need to dist-upgrade not regular upgrade? i would be doing it only on a trusty machine, anything else i would substute it for what ever distro it was
[19:49] <Allmighty> EriC^^, it shows- ii  cairo-dock-plug-ins-data                                    3.3.99.beta1.2.really.3.3.2-0ubuntu2                     all          Common files for cairo-dock-plug-ins
[19:49] <daftykins> ging: i take it you're trying to avoid updating the software? why?
[19:49] <EriC^^> Allmighty: try sudo apt-get purge cairo-dock-plug-ins-data
[19:50] <ging> daftykins: minimal impact, and also to get into a state which would match a server which had had unattended upgrades enabled
[19:50] <ging> (for security only)
[19:50] <smallfoot-> can I roll back package updates?
[19:50] <daftykins> gl with that
[19:51] <bekks> ging: You'll get no security relevant kernel updates that way. Dont do it.
[19:51] <Allmighty> EriC^^, it worked Thanks.
[19:51] <ging> bekks: why not?
[19:51] <bekks> ging: Because kernel updates are no unattended.
[19:51] <brmph> smallfoot-: You might address the issue, rollback no.
[19:52] <hello__world_> whan happens if you remove lzma package ? cuz it's asking me some weird confirmation
[19:52] <bekks> smallfoot-: Whats the actual issue?
[19:52] <EriC^^> Allmighty: no problem
[19:52] <ging> bekks: are you sure? i have recently had to recover some machines will full boot partitions from kernel images which can only have come from unattended upgrades
[19:53] <bekks> ging: I am pretty sure, yes.
[19:53] <Guest52232> Hello guys, sorry to ask out of context but is there any good multiplayer game in ubuntu? I have just installed it.
[19:53] <bekks> ging: Still, not using dist-upgrade isnt a good way to go.
[19:53] <ging> there machines  were not getting rebooted, so they were still running the same kernel, but many new ones were being added
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> !games | Guest52232 choose one
[19:54] <smallfoot-> bekks, I think libdrm maybe made my mouse cursor black in a game
[19:54] <bekks> ging: Regular maintance times are recommended.
[19:54] <bekks> smallfoot-: And whats the issue?
[19:56] <smallfoot-> bekks, before I had a normal white mouse cursor, now its ugly and black
[19:56] <bekks> smallfoot-: Sorry, I dont consider the mouse cursor color being a problem :D
[19:57] <smallfoot-> bekks, its a regression, also slightly uglier shape
[19:58] <Crucerio> hi, I have an asus laptop x52j and I want to install ubuntu, but it allways says: no proper boot device
[19:58] <bekks> Crucerio: so how did you create your boot device?
[19:58] <Allmighty> Should, I always run updates as soon as I get them?
[19:58] <bekks> Allmighty: Sure, why not?
[19:59] <Crucerio> oh might be the problem ;)
[19:59] <Allmighty> bekks, What is the use of updating every time?
[20:00] <daftykins> Allmighty: security. fixes.
[20:00] <bekks> Allmighty: Getting updates. Having secutity fixes installed.
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> Allmighty  if you don't want updates for some reason, don't install them, it's up to you
[20:02] <ging> ok then what about apt-get dist-upgrade --target-release trusty-security then, would that have the same effect as disabiling the non security repositories and running dist-upgrade like daftykins suggested? or is that not how --target-release works ?
[20:02] <bekks> ging: you dont need --target-release at all.
[20:03] <bekks> ging: and you shouldnt disable the non-security updates as well.
[20:03] <bekks> ging: Whats wrong with running sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; ?
[20:03] <Allmighty> Can you guys explain a little bit about bash?/
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> Allmighty  what do you want to know? it means bourne again shell and is the basic CLI in ubuntu
[20:05] <genii> !bash | Allmighty
[20:05] <Allmighty> I want to know more modifying .bashrc file
[20:05] <ging> bekks: i only want security updates, infact i don't even want most of them, it's effectively a box ticking exercise
[20:05] <bekks> ging: So in fact we are discussing your homework here, pointlessly?
[20:07] <solsTiCe> hi. It's been twice today, that I got a kernel panic (caps lock blinking) just after login into X. Nothing in the log obviously. I did not got any problem since I isntalled 15.04 though. What is happening ? anyone with tsame problem ?
[20:09] <Allmighty> Hello, I want to know more about how to modify .bashrc file?
[20:09] <bekks> Allmighty: Just use a text editor.
[20:09] <solsTiCe> my last install package is libvdpay-va-gl1. MAy be that's the culprit ?
[20:09] <Allmighty> bekks, I mean the commands.
[20:09] <OerHeks> solsTiCe, check the kern.log.1 log, for clues
[20:10] <samfreenode> I am trying to boot Ubuntu Live CD, but my monitor is not getting any signal, any ideas anyone?
[20:10] <bekks> Allmighty: Which commands?
[20:10] <ging> yes i guess it was pretty pointless all i really wanted to know is what does apt-get -t actually does
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> Allmighty  cp .bashrc to a safe place, then use  nano ~/.bashrc and modify whatever you want
[20:10] <solsTiCe> OerHeks: I have no such file because I use systemd log journal
[20:10] <OerHeks> solsTiCe, yes you do, i have it too.
[20:11] <Allmighty> bekks, like to modify text and other things.
[20:11] <solsTiCe> OerHeks: I have removed rsyslog package
[20:11] <bekks> Allmighty: So open the text editor of your choice and edit the file as you want it?
[20:11] <Allmighty> MokeyDust, is vim good.
[20:11] <solsTiCe> OerHeks: kern.log is empty and dated april
[20:12] <Allmighty> MonkeyDust, is vim good.
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> Allmighty  if you like it, then it's good, i can't decide for you
[20:12] <OerHeks> solsTiCe, oh, you must have a reason for it, i can't help you then.
[20:12] <rypervenche> Allmighty: vim is great. Most sys admins use it for text editing. There is a bit of a learning curve, but if you run the "vimtutor" command you can learn how to use it.
[20:12] <OerHeks> maybe xsession log is growing, who knows
[20:13] <Nooby_One> ubuntu 14.04, using Xchat .... i was wondering how to see the list of the people present in a chatroom... at the moment i only see the actual chat and a window where it shows which rooms i am in
[20:13] <EriC^^> Nooby_One: click on view then userlist
[20:13] <Nooby_One> did that, and no difference
[20:14] <EriC^^> try to drag the scroll bar to the left
[20:14] <daftykins> !nomodeset | samfreenode try this
[20:14] <funkt2> Hi there I seem to have completely messed up my desktop screen [no wallpaper messed up graphic pixels ] any idea how I can reset it?
[20:14] <Nooby_One> ah, ok
[20:14] <Nooby_One> thanks
[20:14] <EriC^^> np
[20:15] <samfreenode> daftykins: thanks
[20:15] <jatt> funkt2: screenshot?
[20:15] <funkt2> ok two secs
[20:15] <samfreenode> daftykins: Gonna try 14.04.02 first, then if that fails I will try your link
[20:15] <daftykins> samfreenode: what is it now? 14.04 vanilla?
[20:15] <samfreenode> daftykins: Is upgrading to 15.04 just as good as a fresh 15.04 installation?
[20:15] <samfreenode> daftykins: Windoze 7
[20:15] <daftykins> samfreenode: no
[20:16] <samfreenode> daftykins: Why not>?
[20:16] <daftykins> samfreenode: no what is the media you're booting? :)
[20:16] <samfreenode> daftykins: USB
[20:16] <samfreenode> daftykins: Burning 14.04 now
[20:16] <daftykins> no what VERSION
[20:16] <daftykins> for the love of Tux
[20:16] <samfreenode> daftykins: Sorry
[20:16] <daftykins> XD
[20:16] <funkt2> http://img.ctrlv.in/img/15/07/03/5596ed9a7a67b.jpg
[20:16] <mroutis> someone know how to create a dev environment for android under ubuntu 15?
[20:16] <funkt2> jatt ^
[20:17] <samfreenode> daftykins: What Ubuntu version is recommended for a 4690K+Z97+GTX970?
[20:18] <daftykins> samfreenode: probably 15.04
[20:18] <samfreenode> daftykins: Thanks gonna boot it now cya
[20:22] <funkt2> Anyone have any ideas what ibus-ui-gtk3 its sucking my memory up? any fixes?
[20:24] <OerHeks> funkt2, in terminal: top # should show you, if there are zombie processes and such
[20:24] <funkt2> whats a zombie process?
[20:25] <lert> I know I should really be on askubuntu, but my question is too stupid (there is such a thing). How do I use ubuntu as a live system? That is, without the "try ubuntu" screen, and it should save downloaded programs on my usb flash drive after shutting down.
[20:25] <bekks> funkt2: A process which is still running, while its parent process already terminated.
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> funkt2  "Zombie process is a process state when the child dies before the parent process."
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> In this case the structural information of the process is still in the process table
[20:26] <OerHeks> something without control
[20:26] <funkt2> great
[20:26] <DJones> lert: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[20:26] <funkt2> Not sure what that means but thank you
[20:29] <Krixvar> Hey all, is it possible to install ubuntu with an encrypted /boot partition on EFI? I was reading about this sort of setup on Arch, but my Kubuntu 15.04 installer kept failing when I tried to replicate it
[20:30] <TJ-> Krixvar: You can
[20:31] <TJ-> Krixvar: You'd have to create the encrypted /boot/ outside of the installer though
[20:31] <Binero> Is there a fix for Banshee and Rythmbox crashing when I have an iPhone plugged in?
[20:31] <Binero> (iOS 8)
[20:33] <OerHeks> Binero, ios7 only iirc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[20:33] <lert> Thanks. I TOLD you there was such a thing.
[20:34] <Binero> OerHeks No way to work around it?
[20:34] <genii> Looks like bug 1313430 which is not fixed yet
[20:34] <Krixvar> TJ-: I set up all my encrypted partitions ahead of time along the lines of https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Encrypted_boot_partition_.28GRUB.29
[20:35] <Krixvar> I've tried pointing the installer to put the bootloader on /dev/sda (only one hdd) and I tried specifically selecting the EFI partition and GRUB failed to install in both cases
[20:36] <TJ-> Krixvar: That's good. What you need to do is ensure the encrypted device(s) are open with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdaX <device-mapper-name>" for each
[20:36] <Krixvar> Yup, I did
[20:37] <Krixvar> I feel like my live usb might be broken somehow
[20:37] <TJ-> Krixvar: OK, so you've now got unencrypted nodes under /dev/mapper/
[20:37] <Krixvar> Yup, it also fails to make swap every time and the partitioner has been weird when I've tried changing stuff
[20:37] <TJ-> Krixvar: So then create file-systems on those nodes, e.g. "mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/LUKS_boot"
[20:38] <Krixvar> Got that, I have mountable partitions in all of the nodes
[20:38] <Krixvar> I have an encrypted /boot and a separate encrypted lvm containing the rest of my partitions
[20:39] <TJ-> Krixvar: Ignoring encrypted swap for a moment... in which case you should be able to point the installer at the /dev/mapper/LUKS_boot node for the /boot/ mountpoint, tell it ext4, don't format
[20:39] <TJ-> Krixvar: Right ... same here
[20:39] <TJ-> Krixvar: So in the VG, you've also create LVs for things like the root-fs, /var/ /usr/local/ maybe
[20:39] <Krixvar> Let me get it fired back up
[20:40] <Krixvar> I just did separate /home and /  for now
[20:40] <TJ-> Krixvar: And you point the installer to the /dev/mapper/$VG-$LV nodes
[20:40] <Krixvar> I did that and it either breaks on creating swap or installing grub
[20:40] <TJ-> Krixvar: OK ... I'm illustrating the concept not giving you specific instructions :)
[20:40] <Krixvar> Sorry haha wasn't sure it it makes any difference
[20:40] <TJ-> For GRUB you'll need to manually edit the /target/ file-system
[20:40] <Krixvar> I've done a lot of linux installs before but never lvm or encryption or gpt
[20:41] <Remoboth> Is there any sort of secure cleaning/delete app I Can run simeltaneously to other operations? Every time I try to run Bleachbit my system goes wonky and shuts down everything.
[20:41] <erkburgles> I downloaded a program, now I can't find it's not there when I try to open a file that uses the program, what's going on with this?
[20:41] <TJ-> Krixvar: You'll need to edit "/target/etc/default/grub" and add the line "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y"
[20:41] <Krixvar> TJ-: Would I have to manually run grub-install? It fails through the installer but the rest of the files in / seem to be correctly created
[20:42] <Remoboth> Anyone?
[20:42] <TJ-> Krixvar: Then, assuming the installer booted in EFI mode grub-efi will be installed
[20:42] <OerHeks> Remoboth, so that is not how one should use it, close all applications before that.
[20:42] <Remoboth> Oh.
[20:42] <Remoboth> I will do that now.
[20:42] <Remoboth> Brb.
[20:43] <TJ-> Krixvar: With that variable set grub creats it's EFI core image as /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi (or similar, with shim)
[20:43] <Krixvar> TJ-: is /target something on the live image or on the newly installed partition?
[20:43] <Krixvar> Grub's failing to install so there aren't any grub files to edit on my lvm
[20:43] <TJ-> Krixvar: when the installer is working it mounts the new root file-system on /target/
[20:44] <Krixvar> TJ-: ah, so I edit that while it's installing?
[20:44] <TJ-> Krixvar: And it uses that as a 'chroot' from where the installation runs apt-get, grub-install, update-grub, etc
[20:44] <kamild1996> Hello, I need assistance with configuring x11vnc in such a way that I'll be able to connect with Ubuntu right after startup. Can someone help?
[20:44] <TJ-> Krixvar: I *think* at the point you get asked, at the end of the installer, where you want the boot-loader installing, you open a terminal and do the edit then. After editing, resume the installer
[20:45] <erkburgles> TJ: once I use apt-get and download a program, and install it, what else do I do in order to use the program
[20:45] <TJ-> Krixvar: You'll need to start the Live installer in the "Try Ubuntu" mode so you have access to the live desktop to do this, and start the installer from the desktop icon
[20:46] <Krixvar> TJ-: The Kubuntu 15.04 installer asks about boot-loader during partitioning then goes directly into installing without stopping again :/ maybe the Ubuntu one is different?
[20:46] <TJ-> erkburgles: Errr, depends on the package you install. If it's a GUI application it should be findable in the launcher
[20:46] <kamild1996> Does XFCE = XDE?
[20:46] <jatt> nope
[20:46] <TJ-> Krixvar: maybe! I always do my installs manually :)
[20:47] <TJ-> Krixvar: I thought all the  live images use debian-installer wrapped in Ubiquity, can't image the steps being in a different order
[20:47] <kamild1996> http://askubuntu.com/questions/229989/how-to-setup-x11vnc-to-access-with-graphical-login-screen there's a step about mit-magic-cookie thing, which one should I use if I run xubuntu desktop/xfce?
[20:47] <erkburgles> perhaps its not in gui form?
[20:47] <erkburgles> its not visible in the launcher
[20:47] <Krixvar> TJ-: Yeah, I believe it is still ubiquity. What do you mean by manually? I'm in the live desktop then launching the installer, is there a more manual way to do it?
[20:48] <TJ-> erkburgles: If you want to see a list of the files belonging to a package you can do "dpkg -l <package-name>" (-l is a lower-case L)
[20:48] <jatt> -L
[20:48] <TJ-> Krixvar: you better believe it! Starting raw on the command line and using a tool called debootstrap :)
[20:48] <TJ-> Krixvar: On Linux you can always get more raw :)
[20:49] <TJ-> jatt: Sorry, you're correct... what *was* thinking!
[20:49] <TJ-> erkburgles: If you want to see a list of the files belonging to a package you can do "dpkg -L <package-name>"
[20:49] <erkburgles> so is it lower or upper case?
[20:50] <erkburgles> TJ how do i unstall the package i downloaded
[20:50] <jatt> upper
[20:50] <TJ-> Krixvar: I think as long as you can add GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y after grub packages have been installed but before the installer finishes, you'll wing it
[20:50] <Krixvar> TJ-: haha I've heard of that, I should have figured :P
[20:50] <TJ-> erkburgles: "-L" ... sorry for the confusion
[20:50] <erkburgles> np
[20:51] <Krixvar> TJ-: grub seems to be installing as the last step and then the installer stops when it fails
[20:51] <TJ-> Krixvar: when grub packages are installed the "/etc/defualt/grub" file will be created... then add the variable... and once everything is done the installer will call grub-install/update-grub in the chroot
[20:51] <TJ-> Krixvar: That makes sense... GRUB can't find a /boot/ disk because the raw device is encrypted
[20:52] <Krixvar> TJ-: Its failing during the package install though so I can't get to the config
[20:52] <TJ-> You can manually enter the chroot /target/ and fix it if the installer has stalled at this point
[20:52] <publio> I chrooted into my system off a livecd and reinstalled the kernel I accidentally wiped, but its still stuck booting to memcheck?
[20:52] <Krixvar> TJ-: Should I be pointing it to install grub to my opened /boot or efi partition?
[20:53] <TJ-> Krixvar: Hmmm, I suspect the kubuntu installer is doing things in ways I'm not familiar with.
[20:53] <ubuntu366> publio: Did you update grub while in that chroot?
[20:53] <Krixvar> TJ-: yeah, running debootstrap is getting more tempting haha..
[20:53] <publio> oh, no.. Is it just 'update-grub'?
[20:54] <ubuntu366> publio: In a chroot update-grub yes
[20:54] <samfreenode> yay im installing Ubuntu now
[20:54] <TJ-> Krixvar: You shouldn't need it. If you can wait a few minutes I can try a kubuntu install in a VM if Iv'e got the ISO here... if not I'll have to fetch one
[20:54] <Krixvar> TJ-: I forgot to mention this is also a dual boot because I didn't think to try just encryption separately first
[20:54] <Krixvar> TJ-: That would be awesome, thanks!
[20:55] <ubuntu366> publio: If you can get to a tty or the recovery boot to a terminal it can be run there with sudo
[20:55] <publio> ubuntu366: I'll try it :)
[20:55] <TJ-> Krixvar: will this do? "kubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso" ?
[20:55] <TJ-> Krixvar: with EFI dual-boot should make no difference
[20:55] <publio> I've never done that before, but chrooting worked ok before
[20:56] <TJ-> publio: after adding a kernel there's usually a trigger fired which sohuld call the update-grub hook and do it for you
[20:56] <ubuntu366> publio: Cool, sounds like if thekernels installed correctly an update is just needed.
[20:57] <Krixvar> TJ-: should be fine :)
[20:57] <TJ-> Krixvar: I think I better make the target 64MB disk image slightly larger :)
[20:57] <Krixvar> TJ-: haha might be a good idea
[20:58] <Krixvar> In the meantime I'll get my luks partitions opened back up
[20:58] <ubuntu366> publio: TJ- Is correct an update should have been triggered.
[21:00] <publio> trying to remember the encrypted mount point, might take a few mins
[21:01] <TJ-> Krixvar: The EFI GRUB boot menu only has "Start Kubuntu" - is that the same for your install?
[21:01] <Krixvar> TJ-: Mine had start and install
[21:01] <TJ-> Krixvar: Then I think you may have booted it in LEgacy/BIOS mode
[21:01] <TJ-> Krixvar: Check if the efivars are available
[21:01] <Krixvar> TJ-: How do I check that? This is my first time using efi
[21:02] <TJ-> Krixvar: I'm at the GUI start age now, with "Try Kubuntu" and "Install Kubuntu" ... maybe you meant that choice?
[21:02] <erkburgles> TJ, I did this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:qbittorrent-team/qbittorrent-stable, then sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get install qbittorrent, restarted, shouldn't I see this program in the launcher?
[21:02] <Krixvar> TJ-: yes, that's what I meant, my bad. /sys/firmware/efi/efivars exists if that's what you were referring to
[21:02] <TJ-> erkburgles: I'm not familiar with the application
[21:02] <erkburgles> well whatever application it is
[21:02] <Guest86181> hi guys. my 14.04 desktop hangs and never recovers, without restarting it, i got no chance. sometimes fans start a minute before the fatal freeze. how would i be able to find out the reason? is my system disk broken maybe or so? i got no idea where to start, any help appreciated, please :)
[21:03] <TJ-> Krixvar: OK, cool! I was on about the GRUB text menu before the installer OS loads
[21:03] <TJ-> Krixvar: I'm choosing "Try..."
[21:03] <Krixvar> TJ-: awesome, that's where I am right now
[21:03] <TJ-> Krixvar: how about we move over to #kubuntu channel?
[21:03] <erkburgles> add it to the repository, then use those commands, restart, it should be usable
[21:04] <Krixvar> TJ-: see you there, thanks :)
[21:04] <TJ-> erkburgles: Yes, in theory it should be available
[21:05] <publio> ubuntu366: Getting a '/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 250: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Directory nonexistent' error
[21:05] <publio> it looks like /boot is mounted from /dev/sda1, which is my disk
[21:05] <publio> (in chroot)
[21:07] <lucas-arg> hey guys, im on ubuntu 15.04 just updated from 14.04 im on a laptop... in 14.04 i had to install laptop-mode-tools to be able no completly shutdown my laptop now in 15.04 that doesnt happen... i also tried with grub tweaks and didint work out either... can some one hive me a hand here??
[21:08] <gambl0re> i always get error messages when trying to install npm packages...
[21:08] <gambl0re> i have to run sudo all the time which i dont want
[21:10] <butterhax> hi
[21:10] <Fuchs> gambl0re: if you run npm without the -g option and it still requires sudo, chances are that your directory permissions are a bit wrong
[21:10] <butterhax> ok obviously i know about sudo apt-get update im not stupid but it doesnt work and this is more trickier
[21:10] <publio> gambl0re: it's a common problem, there's something on this on npm docs
[21:10] <butterhax> i am running off of a 2nd generation macbook
[21:11] <publio> you can change the dir
[21:11] <butterhax> and literally ubuntu 7
[21:11] <gambl0re> if i installed npm as root does that mean i have to install all npm packages with sudo?
[21:11] <butterhax> i need to update
[21:11] <butterhax> please help
[21:11] <Soltis> I can't get nginx to autostart on reboot
[21:11] <Fuchs> https://docs.npmjs.com/getting-started/fixing-npm-permissions  this one  (gambl0re)
[21:11] <gambl0re> now i cant even remove  with - npm sudo npm uninstall npm -g command
[21:11] <gambl0re> fuck
[21:11] <Soltis> update-rc.d nginx defaults says the symlinks are already installed
[21:12] <Soltis> I even tried doing update-rc.d nginx disable; update-rc.d nginx defaults
[21:12] <butterhax> Soltis: what does that command do?
[21:12] <lucas-arg> Soltis: did u tried ln -s whatever /home/whatever/.autostart?
[21:12] <Soltis> butterhax: 'defaults' says symlinks are already installed; 'disable' seems to put a bunch of K20nginx symlinks into /etc/rc*.d/
[21:13] <Soltis> butterhax: Latest version of nginx on 14.04 btw
[21:13] <Soltis> butterhax: And it starts fine if I start it manually.
[21:13] <Fuchs> lucas-arg: putting a httpd in the autostart of a local desktop user is a very stupid idea
[21:13] <daftykins> Fuchs: +1!
[21:13] <lucas-arg> it was just and idea
[21:13] <Fuchs> Soltis: do you get anything in either the system- or nginx logs?   And it does start fine if I do `service nginx start` immediately upon boot
[21:14] <gambl0re> wtf is this? npm WARN uninstall not installed in /usr/local/lib/node_modules: "npm"
[21:14] <publio> it's a new fix, i might have missed the update :(
[21:14] <butterhax> ubuntu 7.04
[21:15] <k1l> butterhax: so you are that far behind with the upgrades, that you should make a reinstall
[21:15] <publio> gambl0re: I think the command order is off, it looks like it's trying to to delete a package
[21:15] <butterhax> Kil its ubuntu 7.04 i believe its called swifty or something like that
[21:15] <k1l> butterhax: a reinstall with a proper actual supported ubuntu
[21:15] <butterhax> i cant reinstall this machine its a macbook 2nd generation
[21:15] <zerowaitstate> exit
[21:15] <gambl0re> thats what i want to do
[21:15] <butterhax> it was impossible to get this version on it
[21:15] <gambl0re> i want to get rid of npm package management
[21:16] <rypervenche> butterhax: There is no way to upgrade. A reinstall is required.
[21:16] <k1l> butterhax: 7.04 lost support ages ago. so we cant help you on that.
[21:16] <butterhax> i literally had to install this with a live cd from years ago because the ubuntu site didn't even have this version on the site'
[21:16] <Fuchs> Soltis: initctl list | grep nginx    gives you something sane?
[21:16] <Soltis> Fuchs: Nothing
[21:16] <butterhax> nothing is impossible there has to be some repo out there i can connect too
[21:17] <Fuchs> Soltis: while initctl start nginx   works?  (both require sudo, mind)
[21:17] <k1l> butterhax: well, that is not a ubuntu repo.
[21:17] <Soltis> Fuchs: That gives unknown job: nginx
[21:17] <butterhax> Kil: hmmmm i dunno
[21:17] <rypervenche> butterhax: What would even be the point of updating if you're getting years-old package updates? Those are not updates.
[21:17] <Fuchs> right, so upstart doesn't know it, you only have initscripts. That should technically still work, though
[21:18] <butterhax> i want a newer distro
[21:18] <Soltis> Fuchs: Yeah.
[21:18] <k1l> butterhax: than dont install 7.04 if you want a newer distro
[21:18] <k1l> butterhax: 12.04 or 14.04 are the oldest one that still get support
[21:18] <butterhax> is it impossible to install ubuntu 14 on this?  the only OS i have is the one im talking to you on now
[21:18] <Soltis> Fuchs: Every rc.d dir has this: /etc/rc0.d/K20nginx -> ../init.d/nginx
[21:19] <k1l> butterhax: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[21:19] <Fuchs> Soltis: I dislike the K, can I see the contnet of that file in a pastebin, please?
[21:19] <butterhax> how can i can that on this machine?
[21:19] <Soltis> Fuchs: Which file?
[21:19] <Fuchs> actually ... disregard that, for rc0 this is fine,
[21:19] <rypervenche> butterhax: The same way you installed the old version. Using a CD.
[21:19] <Fuchs> check rc2.d
[21:19] <k1l> butterhax: see the link!
[21:19] <Soltis> Fuchs: /etc/rc3.d/S20nginx -> ../init.d/nginx
[21:19] <butterhax> firefox is just not working
[21:20] <k1l> butterhax: are you even listening?
[21:20] <butterhax> maybe i can plug it into terminal
[21:20] <Soltis> Fuchs: So 2-5 have S and [016] have K
[21:20] <butterhax> Kil: yes
[21:20] <k1l> butterhax: there are still powerpc isos.
[21:20] <Fuchs> Soltis: that should work, then. Odd
[21:20] <k1l> so install a 12.04 or 14.04 powerpc iso.
[21:20] <Soltis> Fuchs: Very.
[21:21] <Fuchs> Soltis: I mean ... you could add it to rc.local, but that is very much a hack
[21:21] <e01> is it possible to simulate software AP mode for wifi card that have no ap mode?
[21:21] <Soltis> Fuchs: error.log for nginx is 0 bytes; dmesg | grep nginx shows nothing; grep nginx /var/log/syslog shows nothing
[21:21] <Fuchs> Soltis: can you put the file that is linked in rc2.d  in a pastebin, please?
[21:21] <Soltis> Fuchs: Of course, I thought of that already. But it's hideous.
[21:23] <Soltis> Fuchs: http://pastebin.com/adiQMhBz
[21:23] <butterhax> Kil: thanks but this system is just very buggy
[21:23] <butterhax> Kil: do you happen to know what the distro name for 12.04 is?
[21:24] <Guest86181> hi, guys, what can i look for in my kern.log if i want to find out why my system crashes?
[21:24] <k1l> butterhax: precise
[21:24] <Fuchs> Soltis: that should work. The only things coming to mind still are it being unable to start due to   1)  a stale pid file around  2) /run  not being available by the time it tries to start  3) the port being blocked when it tries to start
[21:24] <butterhax> Kil: or the actual .iso file name /downloads/ubuntu12.04.iso
[21:25] <Soltis> Fuchs: The 3 should trigger errors in the nginx log
[21:25] <butterhax> ok cool
[21:25] <butterhax> thnx
[21:25] <Soltis> Fuchs: And would assume whatever used 80 was shutting off immediately
[21:25] <Fuchs> yes and yes
[21:25] <Soltis> Fuchs: I just switched this machine from apache to nginx, and apache worked fine
[21:25] <Fuchs> but aside from that, I don't see why it shouldn't work
[21:25] <Soltis> Fuchs: Yeah.
[21:25] <Soltis> Urk.
[21:25] <Fuchs> and you are sure that apache doesn't get started? Because that would block port 80
[21:25] <gambl0re> have you guys always been using ubuntu?
[21:25] <k1l> butterhax: did you even read the wiki page? you need the special powermac isos.
[21:25] <Fuchs> so maybe if upstart is happy enough to run apache's httpd, then stop it later on, you'd get that
[21:26] <Soltis> Fuchs: 1. It's not running on boot; 2. I did update-rc.d apache2 disable
[21:26] <gambl0re> it seems impossible for anybody to udnerstand the linux os unless you've been using it since day 1
[21:26] <Fuchs> Soltis: you could just assign a different port to nginx to rule that out
[21:26] <Soltis> Fuchs: I'd agree, except that still wouldn't explain the whole "nothing in the log" issue.
[21:26] <Fuchs> gambl0re: I never have been using ubuntu, but that's more of a question for the social channel, #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:26] <rypervenche> gambl0re: You might want to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:26] <Soltis> Fuchs: And fwiw nothing is mounting over /var
[21:26] <Fuchs> Soltis: yes, but ruling out possible error sources is maybe the next sane thing to do
[21:26] <Soltis> Fuchs: So we can eliminate the chance of the nginx log being obscured by a mount
[21:26] <Fuchs> Soltis: /run, not /var/run
[21:27] <Soltis> Fuchs: True. W/e. I'll try it.
[21:27] <Fuchs> And /run is a bit of a tricky and special thing
[21:27] <Soltis> Fuchs: "special", yes.
[21:28] <gambl0re> how do you copy folders into another folder
[21:28] <gambl0re> cp folder path folderdestination
[21:28] <gambl0re> ??
[21:28] <Fuchs> gambl0re: cp -R /path/to/folder1/*  /path/to/folder2/
[21:29] <Fuchs> assuming you want the contents
[21:29] <Fuchs> else without the /*
[21:29] <lucas-arg> cant turn off my laptop!! lol this is so funny... any one with this bug??
[21:29] <Soltis> Fuchs: Didn't start with a different port.
[21:29] <gambl0re> what if im already in the dirctory with the folder i want to copy
[21:29] <gambl0re> i dont need to specify the entire path
[21:30] <Fuchs> Soltis: bleh. Well, one thing would be to put some debug statements in the init script that are logged to a file
[21:30] <gambl0re> cp foldername folderdestination
[21:30] <bekks> gambl0re: so specify . instead
[21:30] <gambl0re> ?
[21:30] <Soltis> Fuchs: In /etc/init.d/nginx ?
[21:30] <genii> gambl0re:  the .  means "here"
[21:30] <Fuchs> gambl0re: if you want to copy a whole folder (and not its contents) you need to specificy -R for recursive
[21:30] <publio> I've reinstalled my kernel by chrooting, it's missing /boot/grub.  Is this line a problem?  "/dev/sda1                    229G  213G  4.8G  98% /boot"
[21:30] <Fuchs> Soltis: yes. Ugly hack, but if logs don't give any information, it might help to find where things go wrong
[21:30] <bekks> publio: Why is your /boot 229G?
[21:31] <Soltis> Fuchs: It's only ugly if I leave them there.
[21:31] <Soltis> Fuchs: No such thing as ugly debugging
[21:31] <publio> bekks: That's the same as /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root (encrypted partition). They should be separate on mys system
[21:31] <Fuchs> Sure
[21:32] <dtscode> hey guys... I'm running an ubuntu 14.04 vps. I have an irc bot that I invoke with `./squawker 2>&1 > freenode.log &` but when I exit the ssh session, it kills the bot. how can I get the bot to persist?
[21:32] <gambl0re> i found a faster way...drap and drop
[21:32] <bekks> publio: Why did you mount it as /boot then?
[21:32] <publio> but /boot looks normal, except a missing grub folder, as does /
[21:32] <gambl0re> drag and drop
[21:32] <publio> i don't think i did?
[21:32] <Deathstar> so where the heck is Firefox 39??
[21:32] <RDX4OO> Deathstar, coming this Weekend
[21:32] <publio> maybe i mounted the wrong mapper
[21:33] <idd2d> I've deployed a rails app via dokku. When I run the rake task to generate the app's model records, it fails & I get the following (very cryptic) output. Does this mean anything to anyone? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11817539/
[21:33] <Soltis> Fuchs: WEIRD
[21:33] <Soltis> Fuchs: This time, it started
[21:33] <Fuchs> o.O
[21:34] <Soltis> Fuchs: I literally did nothing other than add debugging.
[21:34] <Soltis> Fuchs: I think we have a heisenbug on our hands
[21:34] <Fuchs> Soltis: remove it and see if it still starts, I guess?
[21:34] <nivekiba> phello
[21:34] <Soltis> Fuchs: Verily. .O
[21:35] <nivekiba> i am new
[21:35] <Fuchs> Soltis: odd, but glad it got solved, I guess.
[21:38] <Soltis> Fuchs: Started correctly on reboot without the debug stuff
[21:38] <Fuchs> yeah, I guess we shall count this as one of the more odd bugs
[21:38] <Fuchs> would be fun to see if it is reproducible with a fresh package install, that one. As per above: glad it got solved, though.
[21:40] <Soltis> Fuchs: I can probably reproduce it; I have about 30 servers that all have the same issue.
[21:40] <Fuchs> Soltis: lovely, then maybe you can report it to launchpad and see that it gets fixed for everybody
[21:41] <Soltis> Fuchs: md5sum of that file gives identical output on two different machines
[21:41] <Soltis> (Am I just going insane, here?)
[21:41] <Fuchs> Soltis: have a file from both a server where it works and where it doesn't, diff it, not only content, but also things like access rights, ACLs / SELinux context if you use either
[21:41] <Fuchs> md5 is content, also check the metadata
[21:42] <Soltis> Fuchs: Perms and such are identical too
[21:42] <Fuchs> okay, that's definitely odd, then
[21:42] <Soltis> Fuchs: Yes.
[21:42] <Fuchs> I'd say get in touch with some nginx devs, I think they even are on lolnode
[21:42] <Soltis> Fuchs: Shit like this happens to me about once a week.
[21:42] <Fuchs> yeah, #nginx, there they are
[21:42] <Fuchs> maybe they have an idea what might trigger that
[21:42] <Soltis> Fuchs: Meaning, incredibly bizarre bugs nobody else ever sees
[21:43] <Fuchs> that one I really can't explain ... I mean, modifying the file might modify rights, it might modify context of things like SELinux and it definitely modifies atime, but none of that should matter
[21:43] <Guest99575> When I hold down a key on my keyboard and I move my mouse, the mouse movement is very choppy. What can I do to fix this?
[21:43] <bekks> Guest99575: Release the key.
[21:44] <Guest86181> hey guys how can I check the validity of my system drive while running this system, is this possible?
[21:44] <Fuchs> Guest99575: is that a mouse or a touchpad?
[21:45] <Guest99575> bekks But it affects WASD movement in games.
[21:45] <Guest99575> Fuchs mouse
[21:45] <Fuchs> Guest86181: reason I ask: there are daemons that disable (what they think are) touchpads when you are typing
[21:45]  * typingdreamer jumps
[21:46] <Guest86181> Fuchs: you chose the wrong Gust Nick :)
[21:46] <Guest99575> Fuchs the touchpad works fine with the keyboard, but the mouse does not for some reason.\
[21:46] <Fuchs> bleh, yes, sorry
[21:46] <Fuchs> y'all all should just get real nicks instead :p
[21:46] <Fuchs> Guest99575: what kind of mouse?
[21:47] <Fuchs> Guest99575: a good start would be to read logs  (mainly: dmesg and  /var/log/Xorg.0.log) plus have xev running, then reproducing it
[21:47] <Guest99575> I've tried a couple differents kinds of mice, but it doesnt seem to affect it.  The mouse is a
[21:47] <Guest99575> logitech m100 anyways
[21:48] <Guest99575> How can I start xev Fuchs?
[21:48] <Fuchs> Guest99575: so you get the same behaviour with all of them? If yes: tried a different USB port?
[21:48] <Fuchs> Guest99575: open a terminal, type xev, hit enter. Give the little window that opens the focus, hold key, move mouse across that little window. Should produce tons of events in the console you started xev in, which might give a hint
[21:49] <Guest99575> Fuchs I just tried a different USB port, doesnt affect the behaviour.
[21:49] <Guest99575> I'll try xev now
[21:49] <realnikk> does anyone know if i can use smartctl on a running system disk?
[21:50] <Fuchs> realnikk: smartctl should work, yes
[21:50] <Fuchs> fsck won't, smartctl should be fine, even extended tests
[21:51] <Guest99575> Fuchs this is what I got from xev when holding down key and moving mouse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11817649/
[21:51] <realnikk> Fuchs: it says permission denioed, sud it? like sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdd ??
[21:52] <Fuchs> Guest99575: that doesn't look too off. Hm. Nothing in dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log, then?
[21:52] <Guest99575> I'll check those now
[21:52] <Fuchs> realnikk: yes
[21:52] <realnikk> ok thx Fuchs
[21:55] <Guest99575> This is from dmesg fuchs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11817667/ and I'll get /var/log
[21:55] <Fuchs> Guest99575: I'm afraid someone else has to take over, midnight here, thus I shall move to bed, sorry. Good luck, though
[21:55] <Guest99575> /var/log/Xorg.0.log fuchs http://paste.ubuntu.com/11817661/
[21:55] <Guest99575> Thanks for your help so far though
[21:56] <Fuchs> Guest99575: random shots in the blue so you are occupied if nobody else replies: if nothing odd is in the logs, I'd check if that is reproducable with a different window manager, preferably something tiny without compositing, e.g. fluxbox or openbox
[21:56] <Guest99575> I'll give that a shot, thanks!
[21:58] <realnikk> Fuchs would you know any way to show in terminal whther or not my system disk is broken?
[21:59] <realnikk> Fuchs: good night=))
[21:59] <realnikk> would anyone know any way to show in terminal whther or not my system disk is broken?
[22:00] <funyun> hi. i'm installing ubuntu on my server but which should i choose? amd64 or x86? here's my results from uname -a "Linux localhost 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[22:00] <eliasmtz001> I don't know xD
[22:02] <eliasmtz001> maybe Linux x86 because this have more apps
[22:02] <funyun> eliasmtz001: do you know which will work best for hosting wordpress websites?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> realnikk: Software (filesytem) from a liveDVD run a file system check, Hardware ( hard disk failute) run 'smartctl' to check the SMART report .
[22:06] <butterhax> Kil: you still there?
[22:07] <WarboyIndia> any good channel for someone who is new to raspberry pi? suggestions?
[22:07] <butterhax> im opening up GParted right now and going to partition ubuntu 12 so if i dont come back it was nice knowing you
[22:07] <butterhax> /parted
[22:07] <squinty> realnikk,  you can also view smartdata in Disks via the cog icon at the top right (also on the livedvd)
[22:07] <eliasmtz001> ^^
[22:08] <gygabite> can someone help me with a problem? it's a doozy
[22:08] <WarboyIndia> funyun, go for adm64
[22:08] <gygabite> i'm relatively new to linux so i failed at fixing it
[22:08] <WarboyIndia> gygabite, what happen?
[22:08] <realnikk> Bashing-om: squinty i assume it is the hardware. smartctl doesnt work for some reason. i am not running the system and it says SMART is nopt supported
[22:08] <funyun> WarboyIndia: okay. any paticular reasons?
[22:09] <gygabite> well, i have an hp stream and i downloaded ubuntu on it a few months ago without fail, but when my friend got one, i convinced him to let me install it on his
[22:09] <Sophie_T> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgiCTLGhKXY
[22:09] <gygabite> he was at my house so we skipped the internet setup part, thinking we could do it again later
[22:09] <gygabite> when he asked me to download some programs for him, i clicked on the wireless icon at the top
[22:09] <WarboyIndia> funyun, since your processor supports 64bit arch, it's good to install a amd64 for better performance.
[22:10] <gygabite> there was no option for wifi, only for network and vpn
[22:10] <gygabite> i don't have an ethernet port on this either, nor a cd drive
[22:10] <realnikk> Bashing-om: squinty: would these livedvd disk checks you assume work on an encrypted disk as well if unmounted=?
[22:10] <funyun> WarboyIndia: okay. thanks
[22:10] <gygabite> i tried reinstalling ubuntu but that time it didn't even give us an option to set up internet
[22:10] <WarboyIndia> gygabite, do you have a wifi receiver?
[22:10] <gygabite> i went through the wifi troubleshooting page, and installed drivers but that did nothing
[22:11] <gygabite> it's the same exact laptop as the one i have, and it works fine
[22:11] <gygabite> i installed drivers from the live usb thing
[22:11] <WarboyIndia> gygbite. which version of ubuntu did you download?
[22:11] <gygabite> and i need it fixed by tomorrow, i tried installing linux mint but when i plugged in the usb it didn't even boot up at all, it just stayed on a black screen, backlit
[22:11] <gygabite> 14.04
[22:12] <gygabite> it's a different usb drive though, i can't find the one i installed linux with
[22:12] <squinty> realnikk: it should show the smartdata even if unmounted
[22:12] <gygabite> then i tried xubuntu, but that didn't work either
[22:12] <gygabite> then i thought to format the drive and reinstall ubuntu, but then i remembered the usb drive didn't work
[22:13] <realnikk> squinty, if i do that how can i see its broken and then fix it? what would it say?
[22:13] <gygabite> so now i'm stuck
[22:13] <WarboyIndia> gygbite, tried with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[22:13] <Bashing-om> realnikk: Smart: Maybe :In the case that SMART is not enabled for your drive, you can enable it by typing: ' sudo smartctl -s on /dev/sda '  - where 'sda' is the target in question . As to encryption, Not in my tool box .
[22:14] <WarboyIndia> gygbite: or any other similar version?
[22:14] <WarboyIndia> gygbite: go get one and try with GUI, It should work with it.
[22:14] <gygabite> yeah, i used 14.04
[22:14] <squinty> realnikk,  if the drive is dying, smartdata will tell you so.  if it is dying, then backup your important stuff right away and get a new drive.  you could also double check at your drive's manufacturer site to see if they have a drive testing software available
[22:15] <gygabite> i used the gui, i'm very new to linux so i used the LTS version
[22:15] <gygabite> i can't install other distros because the usb drive just freezes the computer at boot
[22:15] <realnikk> Bashing-om: it will give sudo smartctl -s on -d ata -T permissive /dev/sdd  Ambiguous - ATA IDENTIFY DEVICE words 82-83 don't show if SMART supported. SMART support is: Ambiguous - ATA IDENTIFY DEVICE words 85-87 don't show if SMART is enabled. A mandato
[22:15] <gygabite> let me give you some information about my network card
[22:16] <realnikk> Bashing-om: .... A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
[22:17] <realnikk> squinty, and smartdata can be run only on a livesystem, from usb for instance?
[22:17] <gygabite> lshw says *-network UNCLAIMED for some reason
[22:17] <gygabite> not sure if it said that before
[22:17] <Bashing-om> realnikk: Must be a real old hard drive if SMART is not supported . Not look'n good for the home team.
[22:17] <daftykins> gygabite: means the interface is down or there's no driver.
[22:17] <gygabite> it's a broadcom bcm43142
[22:17] <realnikk> Bashing-om: 3 years, not older
[22:17] <gygabite> let me switch to the driver it came with
[22:18] <realnikk> Bashing-om: used to be external
[22:18] <anth0ny> Anyone have any tips re: seeing which app is using all my memory remotely? I'm sending the command to a server via salt, so something like top or htop won't work (unless I'm wrong about that)
[22:19] <WarboyIndia> gygbite, looks some kind of problem with your drivers. Sorry I'm unable to solve your problem.
[22:20] <gygabite> a note is that i skipped the internet setup at the beginning because i would set it up at a different point later
[22:20] <gygabite> i need to solve this by tomorrow ;-;
[22:20] <Bashing-om> realnikk: Curious; is 'sdd' the valid target ? as reported by 'fdisk' and/or 'blkid' ?
[22:21] <gygabite> let me try to find the old usb
[22:21] <squinty> realnikk,  smartdata isn't a program    it refers to the same info that one would get from smartctl.  I just mentioned to use Disks (a program which is also available in an installed system or livedvd/usb) as a quick non commandline check.  Disks can also mount, unmount etc drives too
[22:21] <gygabite> nvm i'll just install ubuntu on the new usb
[22:21] <WarboyIndia> gygbite: ok. all the best!
[22:21] <realnikk> squinty, ok thx
[22:22] <gygabite> i don't think it will work though
[22:22] <squinty> !broadcom | gygabite
[22:22] <gygabite> thanks
[22:23] <realnikk> Bashing-om: yes it is split in sdd1, sdd2, 3 and 4
[22:23] <WarboyIndia> wow bots are so smart!
[22:24] <gygabite> when i do lspci it doesn't show a kernel driver in use
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[22:57] <scrufflap> Anyone here know how to stream from mlb.com?
[22:58] <scrufflap> Paid to stream the Dead shows, but it's flash based and just sits and spins.
[23:03] <dennis_> Hey
[23:03] <OerHeks> scrufflap, that would be beyond the scope of this channel
[23:04] <dennis_> hey
[23:04] <dennis_> Is somebody there to help me?
[23:04] <dennis_> I have a Problem with my Ubuntu Mate.
[23:06] <dennis_> Hello?!
[23:06] <Lucake> Hi
[23:06] <dennis_> Hey, how is it going?
[23:07] <Lucake> good
[23:07] <dennis_> I have a Problem with my ubuntu Mate :/
[23:07] <OerHeks> dennis_, don' ask to ask, ask your real issue and find out?
[23:08] <dennis_> Ok, i just wanted to be friendly....
[23:08] <dennis_> Everytime i suspend my laptop and after that i wake it up again the buttons from mate are away.
[23:09] <WarboyIndia> dennis_,  happens with me too.
[23:09] <dennis_> and the second problem is: when i shutdown my laptop the ubuntulogo is moving all over the screen....
[23:10] <dennis_> I have a Lenovo E550 with Intel i5 5200U, what should i do to fix it?
[23:10] <OerHeks> i know 2 wiki's about supend and hybernate debugging https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelHibernate
[23:11] <scrufflap> Thanks, DerHecks, I suspected as much.
[23:11] <OerHeks> Have you searched for your laptop model + ubuntu version?
[23:11] <dennis_> No...?
[23:12] <dennis_> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201411-16167/
[23:13] <dennis_> In Ubuntu 14.04 are much things, that dont work, but in 15.04, there are just the two things.
[23:13] <Zebra111> dennis_ what other problems are you experiencing with ubuntu 14.04?
[23:14] <dennis_> The videodriver isnt working
[23:14] <dennis_> the touchpad doesnt work
[23:15] <Zebra111> How do you know that the video driver isn't working?
[23:15] <mr0everywhere> i have a shared connection coming from a windows computer to my linux computer, but there is no network activity showing between the 2 devices. anybody know how to get the linux computer to play nicely with my windows 8 computer
[23:15] <dennis_> i cant play 4k videos
[23:15] <dennis_> i cant play simples games
[23:15] <dennis_> with 15.04 i can
[23:15] <Zebra111> dennis_ try searching "drivers" in the unity dash and click on "Additional Drivers"
[23:16] <Zebra111> in the window that comes up, click on "Additional Drivers" tab once again
[23:16] <Zebra111> then see if there is one available
[23:16] <dennis_> I already did that.
[23:17] <dennis_> And i managed after a time to get the videocard working.
[23:17] <Zebra111> Are you using the same device that you installed 14.04 and 15.04 on?
[23:17] <dennis_> But 14.04 has a bad performance on broadwells....
[23:17] <dennis_> Yes
[23:18] <Zebra111> Do you know what video card you have?
[23:18] <dennis_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-1504-5600u&num=1
[23:18] <dennis_> Yes i have a HD 5500
[23:18] <dennis_> But i dont want to use 14.04 either, cause the performance is bad there
[23:19] <Zebra111> Right
[23:19] <Zebra111> Well, you could use 15.04 but the disadvantage is that it's not LTS
[23:19] <dennis_> No problem, i just want to fix my two problems
[23:19] <Zebra111> I did have issues myself with 14.04 with video stuff
[23:20] <Zebra111> but I just upgraded and they went away; unfortunately doesn't help too much though
[23:20] <dennis_> LTS is not interessting for me
[23:21] <sudoneko> Hey everyone, how can I find the frequency that my wireless adaptor is using? I've tried using 'iwlist wlan0 freq' but there is no frequency information available.
[23:22] <awc> I've lost the ability to search for applications. If I type in the search bar, it will return files that match my query, but no the application itself. e.g. if I type "so" of "software updater" It will return a number of song titles, but continuing on with the "f" and everything disappears. I've checked the filters, and set it to applications only... again nothing. thoughts?
[23:23] <Zebra111> dennis_ the article says that you can install a newer kernel (and mesa) and it might help performance on 14.04, but if 14.04 isn't interesting to you then don't do it
[23:23] <dennis_> Yes i dont want to do it. i just want to fix my two problems :D
[23:24] <Zebra111> awc try rm ~/.cache/software-center -R then unity --reset &
[23:24] <dennis_> When my laptop is working, i wont update the system so or so :D
[23:24] <TJ-> sudoneko: "iwconfig"
[23:24] <Zebra111> dennis_ what was your other problem that you were experiencing?
[23:24] <dennis_> I have ubuntu mate
[23:24] <dennis_> suspend isnt working
[23:24] <moses> dennis_: on your laptop?
[23:24] <Zebra111> What happens when you try to suspend dennis_?
[23:25] <dennis_> I can suspend it, but when i wake it up again the mate bottons are gone.
[23:25] <sudoneko> I've managed to find the available frequencies using 'iw phy' however is it possible to view which band is currently being used?
[23:25] <awc> Zebra111, I got this: ERROR: the reset option is now deprecated" Should I try it again but with root?
[23:25] <Voov> hey guys im on 15.04 and using skype i cant video chat the option is disabled. but if i go in options it detects my camera and i can see myself. Does any one have an idea why?
[23:25] <TJ-> sudoneko: "iwconfig"
[23:26] <TJ-> sudoneko: e.g. "Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.472 GHz"
[23:26] <Zebra111> awc Don't use root, just log out and log in again and see if that helps
[23:26] <awc> Zebra111, will do!
[23:28] <sudoneko> Thankyou TJ-
[23:28] <awc> Zebra111, Thanks! it worked!
[23:28] <Zebra111> No problem! I got the answer from here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125843/
[23:32] <mr0everywhere> i have a shared connection coming from a windows computer to my linux computer, but there is no network activity showing between the 2 devices. anybody know how to get the linux computer to play nicely with my windows 8 computer
[23:40] <squinty> mr0everywhere,  make sure you have samba installed.  open your file browser (nautilus,Files, etc) and then select Browse network
[23:44] <mr0everywhere> squinty, all i see is the linux computer when i browse network
[23:45] <squinty> mr0everywhere,  from the windows computer you mean?
[23:46] <mr0everywhere> from the linux computer
[23:53] <squinty> mr0everywhere,  try "connect to Server" in your file manager.  type applicable similar to following   smb://<IP_ADDRESS>   or smb://mycomputer
[23:55] <IPhoton> I have made the mistake of messing with gnome-terminal profile settings, when I went to "title and command" and checked "run custom command instead of shell". Now the terminal closes as soon as I click on it
[23:55] <IPhoton> is there anyway to untick that setting without opening it?
[23:55] <IPhoton> like going to the properties window
[23:55] <IPhoton> so I can uncheck it
[23:55] <moses> is changing DE difficult in 14.04?
[23:56] <brmph> moses: no
[23:56] <brmph> can you ddetail what you mean moses
[23:56] <moses> im trying to switch to ldxe from unity
[23:57] <moses> lxde
[23:57] <brmph> moses: switch mening?
[23:57] <brmph> meaning*
[23:57] <moses> the DE
[23:57] <moses> i dont want unity
[23:57] <moses> I want to use LXDE
[23:57] <brmph> moses: You choose the installed dektop at the login screen from a drop down gear.
[23:58] <moses> can you seriously?
[23:58] <moses> does anyone have lxde here?
[23:58] <brmph> moses: I would not try to remove unity, it is actually tiny, a plugin in compiz sitting on top of gnome 3, lxde will share dependencies.
[23:59] <moses> so then how do i stop this resource hog?
[23:59] <moses> from ruining my laptop


[14:11] <miguelneco> hola
[14:13]  * _MMA_ waves.
[14:13] <miguelneco> ?????
[14:14] <tonic-pushcart> miguelneco: hello
[14:14] <miguelneco> heello
[14:14] <miguelneco> español
[14:15] <tonic-pushcart> miguelneco: ^_^ nz english
[14:15] <miguelneco> no hablo ingles
[14:16] <tonic-pushcart> :(
[14:16] <_MMA_> miguelneco: English channel. Sorry.
[14:16] <miguelneco> and sorry
[14:16] <miguelneco>  :p
[14:17] <miguelneco> good bay
[14:18] <miguelneco> I, ARGENTINA
[14:31] <luisbg> need help with spanish
[14:32] <luisbg> necesitan ayuda con espanhol?
[14:32] <_MMA_> luisbg: miguelneco left the room.
[14:33] <luisbg> :(
[14:33] <luisbg> sorry it took me time to enter here
[14:36] <_MMA_> np
[14:42] <melat0nin> hello all
[14:42] <melat0nin> just fancied giving my support to Ken Vermette's brilliant mockups appearing on the mailing list in the last couple of days
[14:46] <nand> eh indeed, pretty good, I like these warm colors!
[14:47] <nand> I can help with packaging btw
[14:49] <melat0nin> i love the slightly offset border, it looks extremely classy
[14:49]  * melat0nin is excited for Ubuntu's new look
[14:49] <melat0nin> (and all the positive publicity/new users it will generate!)
[14:50] <_MMA_> melat0nin: Are you under the impression that Ken's mockups will be the new look of Ubuntu?
[14:51] <melat0nin> no
[14:52] <melat0nin> but i hope so :)
[14:52] <melat0nin> what is the procedure for deciding on the final look? i mean before the SABDFL gives it the go-ahead
[14:53] <_MMA_> It basically seems to just throw it out there. A small team of people making a cohesive look following their vision will get further than people making mockups.
[14:54] <melat0nin> does MS just look through them and decide which is going to be used?
[14:54] <melat0nin> o.O
[14:54] <_MMA_> No
[14:55] <_MMA_> Its all very informal.
[14:56] <melat0nin> hmmm
[14:57] <melat0nin> seems mad for something so crucial :)
[15:01] <pwnguin> hmm. most people do no associate MS with shuttleworeth
[15:01] <pwnguin> arg
[15:02] <melat0nin> hehe
[15:02] <melat0nin> oops XD
[15:34] <_MMA_> dashua: Fix your connection.
[15:40] <dashua> _MMA_: Sorry mate.  NM 7 giving me issues, back to wicd.
[15:40] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[16:03] <_MMA_> Hi Toma-.
[16:03] <Toma-> hey there
[16:03] <Toma-> question: why does ubuntus version of Tango have 'gnome-mime-*' in the mime type names?
[16:04]  * _MMA_ shrugs.
[16:04] <_MMA_> Without looking, are they icons for specific filetypes?
[16:04] <Toma-> yeh
[16:05] <Toma-> the filenames are specific to the freedesktop rules, yet for some reason, its all scrapped in the ubuntu version
[16:08] <Toma-> also, how goes the ubuntustudio art?
[16:09] <_MMA_> Toma-: Slow. The biggest change will be the theme. But only to the trained eye. :P
[16:10] <Toma-> oic :)
[16:10] <_MMA_> Very little will change this release in the end.
[16:10] <Toma-> sorry i havent done much/anything lately :(
[16:11] <_MMA_> np
[16:11] <Toma-> but GTK theming is like pulling teeth for me
[16:11] <Toma-> its painfully restrictive. i cant even set a pixmap at the background without the damn thing tiling heh
[16:12] <_MMA_> :)
[16:14] <Toma-> http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/new-preview.png
[16:14] <Toma-> see!
[16:15] <Toma-> and more comparatively... http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/gtk-fail-lol.png
[16:16] <Toma-> _MMA_➜ anyway, if youre interested, i might be doing a GTK theme for my Grunge E17 theme some day soonish so the Ubuntu SE guys can use it too
[16:16] <Toma-> Ill show you when that comes about :)
[16:18]  * _MMA_ looks.
[16:21] <_MMA_> Toma-: Im sure there's a way to do it. :)
[16:21] <Toma-> yeh, apt-get remove gnome :D
[16:22] <Toma-> there are other pixmap type engines, but i havent seen any that can do good things
[16:24] <_MMA_> Toma-: Not to be short but I've spent the past 3hrs sitting on my ass here getting some of the site updated. (logo is still off to the far right) Gotta go for a bit to do some stuff around the house. bbl.
[16:24] <Toma-> no problem :) see you around
[18:28] <geek_inn2> hi .....anyone
[18:29] <geek_inn2> i have my collection of artwork
[18:29] <geek_inn2> see gnome-look@dragoninsane
[18:30] <geek_inn2> i created some artwork with that name Dragoninsane hope you like it
[18:33] <geek_inn2> any developers in this room official
[18:33] <_MMA_> In what way?
[18:34] <_MMA_> And a clickable link would be best for your work.
[18:34] <geek_inn2> oh...but gnomelook gives option to search...go with dragoninsane
[18:34] <_MMA_> Too much like work. ;)
[18:35] <geek_inn2> actually i just now posted something on home page with name ubuntu brown sin
[18:35] <geek_inn2> just check out
[18:36] <geek_inn2> www.gnome-look.org/.../search.php?username=dragoninsane&PHPSESSID=2d9d727fc262f915e203644e58139535
[18:37] <_MMA_> 404
[18:38] <geek_inn2> oh you got page not found error
[18:39] <geek_inn2> i think better you open the gnome-look homepage
[18:39] <geek_inn2> i posted walls like with names: "ray of hope pink",purple or pink etc
[18:40] <_MMA_> It's pretty basic. I wouldn't feel it's anything good enough to ship with Ubuntu. http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=dragoninsane&action=contents&PHPSESSID=bb4cc0cd0b7d0fcd853a7f4f784628bc
[18:40] <geek_inn2> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/ubuntu+brown+sin?content=86130
[18:43] <pwnguin> kinda bad gradient
[18:43] <geek_inn2> ya thats what brown doesnt go well with other colors
[18:43] <pwnguin> i just meant, i can see the banding
[18:45] <geek_inn2> ok this is 1600 version :http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/dark+ubuntu?content=86127
[18:45] <_MMA_> And the logo looks like it was cut from something. You can also see compression in the logo.
[18:45] <pwnguin> but i think the bar's been set a bit higher since hardy's heron wallpaper
[18:46] <geek_inn2> one more:http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/pink+or+purple?content=86132
[18:46] <pwnguin> MMA's right -- the circle of friends should be taken from svg
[18:46] <_MMA_> pwnguin: Im sorry. Even stuff before Hardy is better than this.
[18:46] <_MMA_> This is uninspired.
[18:46] <geek_inn2> well i also posted some other things in there,but hey SVG is not supported in photoshop or windows
[18:47] <geek_inn2> ya nothing is inspired from ubuntu...official stuff the logo is exception
[18:47] <pwnguin> im pretty sure you can render an svg into a photoshop document just like you can with gimp
[18:47] <pwnguin> geek_inn2: you didn't like the heron?
[18:48] <geek_inn2> i do ....but its outdated now.......also brown ........yakhhhhhh
[18:48] <_MMA_> pwnguin: No. He misunderstood what I said.
[18:48] <_MMA_> *sigh*
[18:48] <geek_inn2> yikes....i dont like brown that much
[18:50] <pwnguin> i dont think anyone likes pink as much as you do ;)
[18:50] <geek_inn2> iam not professional in graphics...but still i managed to put some stuff there
[18:50] <geek_inn2> what is word of inspiration for me as beginner
[18:51] <geek_inn2> ya tell me what colors you like
[18:51] <pwnguin> well, it really doesn't matter much what colors I like
[18:51] <pwnguin> brown is the mandate
[18:52] <geek_inn2> i posted and tried all colors except red in my walls
[18:52] <geek_inn2> no almost all colors i posted there.....but i like pink and skyblue very much
[18:52] <geek_inn2> all colors*
[18:53] <geek_inn2> hey but iam just beginner
[18:55] <pwnguin> if you'd like an excuse to try out gimp, I have one
[18:55] <pwnguin> http://jldugger.livejournal.com/12544.html
[18:55] <geek_inn2> what
[18:55] <geek_inn2> i mean gimp doesnt give me natural feeling,the plugins/menus are all scrambled
[18:56] <pwnguin> indeed. familiarity is part of UI
[18:56] <geek_inn2> i need one window app,not 3
[18:56] <pwnguin> but dont worry
[18:56] <pwnguin> this is a no tools tutorial
[18:56] <pwnguin> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_GIMP_Fractal_Backgrounds
[18:58] <pwnguin> anyways, just a suggestion if you really think photoshop can't render an svg into a bitmap
[19:00] <pwnguin> im no professional either, so I can't tell you how to use photoshop ;)
[19:01] <geek_inn2> when is this full of churning
[19:02] <pwnguin> "this"
[19:02] <geek_inn2> i meant this room
[19:03] <geek_inn2> i ...............mean busy dude
[19:03] <geek_inn2> i see no activity here
[19:03] <pwnguin> well
[19:03] <pwnguin> this is a pretty good level of activity
[19:03] <pwnguin> its no #ubuntu
[19:03] <pwnguin> thats just crazy
[19:04] <geek_inn2> ya something should happen
[19:04] <geek_inn2> i mean 3-4 people can talk
[19:05] <pwnguin> anyways, this channel mostly deals with proposals for default ubuntu art and other decisions
[19:06] <geek_inn2> when i was beginner(i mean when i first saw pc wallpapers) thought that they where good/best now i hate
[19:07] <geek_inn2> fractals/abstact art
[19:07] <geek_inn2> abstract
[19:08] <pwnguin> i think they're neat, and a pretty good way to get started exploring. they're not really "default" material
[19:34] <geek_inn2> does developers card about mockups and gnome-look mockups/deviant art mockups
[20:56] <darkmatter> geek_inn2: nope.. the developers don't care about anything but hiding outstanding bugs behind useless new features.. it's a freetard tradition
[22:04] <kwwii> _MMA_ is a wierdo
[22:06] <_MMA_> Why? Because I like to smear myself with peanut butter?
[22:08] <darkmatter> nah... I think it was the whole "_MMA_ mates with poodles" thing that earned ya the weird classification
[22:09] <_MMA_> Can't help it. They're oh so cute.
[22:10] <kwwii> 4 days and I will be on a plane
[22:10] <kwwii> 3 weeks without internet
[22:11] <kwwii> crazy stuff
[22:11] <_MMA_> Ouch. :)
[22:18] <kwwii> _MMA_: dude, how about the wallpaper and gdm, got it done yet?
[22:19] <kwwii> just let me know when it is done, I am flexible ;-)
[22:22] <_MMA_> Yeah. Right after I sort out my own. ;)
[22:25] <kwwii> see, that is the problem with the community, they're never willing to step up and take resonsibility
[22:25] <kwwii> :p
[22:26] <kwwii> "I pity the fool that have to deal with mark uninformed"
[22:26] <_MMA_> Feck Ubuntu. :P
[22:26] <kwwii> easy for you to say
[22:27] <_MMA_> Had I been paid...
[22:28] <kwwii>  no doubt
[22:31] <_MMA_> kwwii: Don't think I've given up on the icon ideas we threw around. I just got things going on here and I just can't wrap my head around doing the work yet.


[04:47] <KidProQuo> troy_s: very interesting
[05:17] <BHSPitMonkey> I should go and buy a share of AAPL
[05:17] <Madpilot> a share of who?
[05:21] <BHSPitMonkey> aaple!  :P
[05:21] <BHSPitMonkey> and sell it a few days after macworld
[05:56] <KidProQuo> is there a way to lock a gradient to an object in inkscape?
[05:57] <KidProQuo> so the gradient stays the same even if you move it around the page?
[07:44] <BHSPitMonkey> KidProQuo, maybe use your foreground object with a mask revealing the gradient below?
[07:44] <BHSPitMonkey> ask in #inkscape, it's a good channel
[07:45] <BHSPitMonkey> oh.
[07:45] <BHSPitMonkey> never mind.
[07:59] <KidProQuo> BHSPitMonkey: way ahead of you, thanks anyway though
[07:59] <BHSPitMonkey> noticed
[18:59] <KingDaver> Hello
[19:13] <thorwil> nand: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/ubuntu-most-annoying-bugs-3/
[19:33] <nand> thorwil: Hiya! thanks! I like the C&D set much
[19:34] <thorwil> nand: hi. cool, last template coming your way :)
[19:35] <nand> thorwil: I got the progressive font size working on one sample. Now I just need to go on with the others. Thanks for all your work, this helped me much with the artwork part of the website!
[19:35] <nand> it will probably be out in a fews weeks to one month
[19:36] <thorwil> nand: you're welcome. good :)
[19:47] <BHSPitMonkey> foobar's frobnication bothers me on a daily basis
[19:47] <troseph> foobar in wine? or is there a native bin for linux?
[19:47] <thorwil> lol
[20:04] <troseph> Finally an updated GIMP
[20:05] <thorwil> shortly after installing gutsy, i removed the shipped gimp to build the most recent myself. coming from gentoo, i'm not used to either strongly patched packets or waiting :)
[20:06] <troseph> I tried Gentoo for a while.. Coming from Debian, I was frightened and confused. :)
[20:10] <troseph> I prefer to wait over build things. I guess I'm still afraid of killing something in a compilation.
[20:11] <thorwil> troseph: killing something in a compilation?
[20:12] <troseph> rather having something not work, and not knowing why, or how.
[20:12] <thorwil> ah yes. happens :)
[23:32] <mgunes> kwwii, ping