[15:02] <Mouxon> Hi! I just upgraded to Zesty (from Yakkety) and now, I have a lot of problems with gtk application. I tried to execute gedit or gtk3-demo, but nothing happened and there is no error. Any idea to show the log ?
[15:15] <Scungielli> Question:  What is the best/fastest LIGHTWEIGHT web browser for running on an old netbook?  1GB ram, Intel Atom CPU
[15:27] <leszek> Scungielli: xxxterm
[15:27] <leszek> upps they renamed it
[15:27] <leszek> how is it called now
[15:27] <leszek> xombrero
[15:28] <leszek> gtkwebkit based and uses the vim like commands for controlling it. So might be something getting used to
[15:47] <kerbyath> Hello
[15:48] <kerbyath> first time here, don't know how it works...
[15:50] <kerbyath> does it works like a chat?
[15:51] <leszek> kerbyath: exactly
[15:51] <leszek> its a chat system
[15:51] <leszek> pretty old one actually
[15:51] <leszek> kerbyath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
[15:52] <kerbyath> fantastic, I have just installed lubuntu on another computer but I need help to understand why I cannot reach my access point configuration page from mozilla browser
[15:53] <leszek> ok but your router or access point is using dhcp so clients automatically get an address right ?
[15:54] <kerbyath> it's an outdoor access point that can be used like a repeater, it must be configured without dhcp, it's very simple, I saw it yesterday in the shop laboratory how to configure it, they just put manually the ip address on the network configuration and then they reach it via web browser ....I can see the wired connection linked in the small icon on the status bar, I have configured the ip address, I see that
[15:55] <leszek> ah ok
[15:55] <kerbyath> Isee that the connection status reports the ip address, but when I open mozilla and put the ip adrress it says that the page is unreachable
[15:55] <leszek> have you tried pinging your access point
[15:55] <kerbyath> that's the point... how should I do? with windows I type ipconfig.... and here ?
[15:56] <leszek> for pinging you type ipconfig ? I just type ping <IP_ADDRESS> :)
[15:57] <kerbyath> oh yes sorry.... you are right
[15:58] <kerbyath> is the same with lubuntu? I try
[15:58] <kerbyath> NETWORK IS UNREACHABLE
[16:00] <leszek> kerbyath: hmm... then please the output of ifconfig (please use a pastebin.com service so you don't spam in here but just paste on this website and post the link here)
[16:01] <kerbyath> thanks, the problem is that I don't have ifconfig installed, maybe I have downloaded a limited version of lubuntu...
[16:02] <leszek> might be just it isn't installed anymore. Which version of lubuntu ?
[16:03] <kerbyath> 17.04
[16:03] <leszek> I still have the LTS 16.04 here
[16:03] <leszek> just a sec
[16:03] <kerbyath> :-)
[16:05] <leszek> kerbyath: ip link ls up  should list all interfaces which are up
[16:06] <leszek> check if your ethernet device is listed there
[16:09] <kerbyath> no it is not listed... but... then it is strange to me that the ethernet icon shows the connection.... or not...?
[16:09] <leszek> yes thats indeed strange
[16:09] <kerbyath> may be on lubuntu you have to specify other values than the ip address and the subnet mask?
[16:10] <leszek> usually not
[16:10] <leszek> can you try bringing the interface up with ip link set dev eth0 up  (replace eth0 with your ethernet name you can get from ip a)
[16:12] <kerbyath> I try
[16:13] <kerbyath> let's try another thing... I delete the wired connection, so I won't have no connections at all, I reset the access point and I will reconnect the ethernet cable
[16:14] <leszek> if the device itself is down it won't change a thing I think
[16:17] <kerbyath> yeeeeeeee solved :-)
[16:17] <leszek> nice
[16:19] <kerbyath> thank you anyway... we could say that I havae solved the problem but... not for my ability.... just tjhe case!!!!
[16:19] <kerbyath> :-) :-)
[16:20] <kerbyath> thksss


[06:01] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: so this ubuntu-news team stuff seems a little messy
[06:01] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: hmm, might be
[06:02] <LaserJock> is there a historical "issue" with the marketing and news type teams/
[06:02] <Burgundavia> no, not really
[06:02] <LaserJock> it seemed fairly logical and straightforward to me to have an ubuntu-news team and ubuntu-marketing team
[06:03] <LaserJock> I don't know much about the marketing team so I wasn't sure
[06:04] <LaserJock> does the marketing-submissions ML get much activity?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> not yet, due to it being new
[06:10] <LaserJock> ah
[06:16] <LaserJock> I do wonder if a submission mechanism other than mailing lists would be better though
[06:16] <LaserJock> we've got so many mailing lists (though not nearly as bad as Debian)
[06:18] <Burgundavia> the whole idea behind marketing-submissions would be that it would have a web front end to it
[06:18] <Burgundavia> as I have said multiple times, apparently nobody is listening
[06:22] <LaserJock> sorry, I don't think I've heard that
[06:22] <LaserJock> well, could it all go to one list?
[06:23] <LaserJock> and we'd have a web frontend on Fridge, one on the marketing page, maybe one on ubuntu.com
[06:23] <LaserJock> I'm not sure where the info comes from so much as getting it to a central place that everyone can read/pick from
[06:26] <Burgundavia> see my latest post to the mailing lists
[06:26] <Burgundavia> I would love to have a single sending and discussion list, but we would quickly drown in spam
[06:28] <Madpilot> Dear Ubuntu, My name is REV. DOCTOR UMBUNGA SMITH, and I want your help to retrieve NINTY-NINE BILLION DOLLARS...
[06:28] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:28] <Madpilot> ... and a shark with a frickin' laser on it's head...
[08:50] <Nightrose> hi - vid asked me to ping you when I finished my blogentry about linuxtag
[08:50] <Nightrose> it is at http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2007/06/04/back-from-linuxtag/


[00:50] <waltman> Hi! I was just poking around on your website and I think you might want to fix this: https://docs.lubuntu.net/lubuntu_installation_on_old_computers.html
[00:52] <krytarik> waltman: Well, except the Lubuntu team have no control over that site, and the official site is lubuntu.me instead.
[00:53] <waltman> I had a question I was looking for on your website, but I might as well ask while I'm here. I've got a friend with an old eee pc laptop. He's looking for a distro that still has 32-bit support. I was hoping lubuntu might, but it looks not.
[00:53] <waltman> krytarik: ah. Let me see how I got there...
[00:53] <waltman> It's linked off of https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[00:54] <waltman> and I got there from https://duckduckgo.com/?t=canonical&q=lubuntu+x86&ia=web
 @waltman [<waltman> I had a question I was looking for on your website, but I might as wel …], 18.04 has a 32 bits iso
 @waltman [<waltman> It's linked off of https://lubuntu.net/downloads/], No oficial website there...
[00:55] <waltman> Thanks. That's the conclusion I came to as well.
[00:55] <waltman> Waht's the difference between lubuntu.net and lubuntu.me?
[00:55] <kc2bez> lubuntu.net isn't controlled by the Lubuntu team
[00:56] <kc2bez> lubuntu.me is official
[00:56] <kc2bez> It is in the topic here too.
[00:57] <waltman> you might to work on your SEO to get your links about the .net links on the search engines :)
[01:25] <guiverc> waltman, Canonical control ubuntu.com; if you want an official web site for any Ubuntu flavor you should use ubuntu.com, ie. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours which will send you correct websites for each flavor
[01:30] <waltman> I just thought I was being nice and reporting what appears to be a serious bug on your website. I didn't mean to get involved in a turf war between you and canonical. :)
 watman, thanks, we are aware of the problem butt we can't do much about it.
 *waltman
[01:49] <guiverc> Our website is lubuntu.me, what bug on our website?
[01:49] <guiverc> waltman, ^
[01:51] <guiverc> (We can change much of ubuntu.com web pages, either directly or via request, but lubuntu.net is neither a Canonical, Ubuntu or Lubuntu website so beyond our control, what we've all tried to say)
 @kc2bez
 Thanks @N0um3n0
 :)
 ^ @guiverc you saw anything like this on any install? I haven't.
[17:43] <wxl> apparently power losses can cause the crc errors
[17:44] <wxl> the invalid extent is also a dis error of some kind
[17:44] <wxl> might need some fsck'ing… or a new drive
[17:53] <wxl> perhaps
 @A ¥ [Should i reinstall os], I doubt that helps much
[17:59] <wxl> run fsck from xubuntu
[18:03] <wxl> oh boy
[18:05] <wxl> no, it means you don't know how to use the command
[18:05] <wxl> i'm trying to find something less dangerous for you given that
[18:06] <wxl> i would not in general encourage you to blindly type in commands people give you
[18:07] <wxl> for example if i had you do `sudo rm -rf /` your whole installation would be deleted, but i might tell you it could help you
[18:09] <wxl> does `apt-cache policy gnome-disk-utility` show that you have it installed? if not, `sudo apt install gnome-disk-utility`. it should show up in your menu as "disks."
[18:10] <wxl> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/disk-check.html.en
[19:32] <wxl> to be fair, so do all operating systems. it's just that with the major ones, most folks have been exposed to them so much it's hard not to know how to use them.
[19:56] <redji12> This is the place to ask about screengrab, right? I set the Print shortcut to run "screengrab -r" and screengrab to remain open in the systray, not allow multiple instances. But when I press Print for the second time, I get no printscreen and this errors in the .xsession-errors https://pastebin.com/raw/nx2rhB9f


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[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:38] <][04|-050PYCKi> Здравствуйте .. Hello .. crashes discovery hangs vLc what could be the reason ?
[14:41] <][04|-050PYCKi> *discover
[15:40] <GSMarquis> Does Kubuntu provide MESA updates in base system?
[15:43] <RikMills> GSMarquis: you can see what updates are available in each stable release @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa
[16:17] <paolo__> hi guys ... trying to install tor on my 18.04 lts kubuntu flavour but I received this error I wasn't ablke to fix : https://pastebin.com/0ZaD6eFp
[16:23] <paolo__> thanx guys ... finally I 've foude athe way to install maually the package...
[16:47] <GSMarquis> Thanks. I will chck that link out.
[18:21] <Quantos> Hey guys, running KUbuntu 20.04.1 x64 with the nVidia 455 driver
[18:22] <Quantos> When I turn off my monitors the sound from my soundcard gets flakey
[18:22] <Quantos> I'm not sure how else to explain it, it cuts in and out for about a minute or so while it seems like it's searching for a device
[18:22] <Quantos> I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting it
[18:23] <Quantos> I do notice that the audio over the DP connections keeps getting re-enabled
[18:24] <Quantos> I think it's called TU106 or something like that
[18:33] <Quantos> Oh, the audio I'm using is the integrated audio on the Asus Prime z390-A
[19:37] <user|28351> is kubuntu secure and safe?
[19:49] <jawee> I have a strange issue. I am using Kubuntu 20.04 LTS on a Thinkpad Carbon X1 Gen 8 laptop. All of my function keys to set volume, screen brightness, etc. periodically stop working and I have to restart Plasma for them to work again. I have gone to configure global shortcuts, and it still recognizes I am pressing the volume down button for example, but it gives no feedback. I've tried with and without Fn and FnLock (the buttons are shared
[19:49] <jawee> with F1-F12 and special functions using the Fn key). The keys still work as the function keys but not for any of the special actions until restarting.
[20:01] <jawee> xev recognizes the keypress correctly too. e.g., for mute key I get this, but still no sound action:
[20:01] <jawee> KeyRelease event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4e00001,
[20:01] <jawee>     root 0x5d3, subw 0x0, time 62196865, (-163,491), root:(797,532),
[20:01] <jawee>     state 0x0, keycode 121 (keysym 0x1008ff12, XF86AudioMute), same_screen YES,
[20:01] <jawee>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[20:01] <jawee>     XFilterEvent returns: False
[20:01] <kyle> Hi!
[20:01] <kyle> I'm very new to IRC
[20:56] <fahad-M> shift+c doesn't write a capital c, other keys work fine except v. any idea why is that?


[04:30] <mup> Bug #1581297 changed: confusing failure mode if juju-db systemd unit fails to start up <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581297>
[04:30] <mup> Bug #1585359 changed: juju debug-log prints some log messages, but quickly stops streaming <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585359>
[10:10] <mup> Bug #1605976 opened: [2.0] bump mongod to 3.2.8 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605976>
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1605986 opened: Creating container: can't get info for image 'ubuntu-trusty' <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605986>
[22:46] <menn0> anastasiamac: apparently it's just going to be you and me in the standup today. did you still want to do it?
[22:50] <anastasiamac> menn0: sure \o/ in 25min :D
[22:50] <menn0> anastasiamac: yeah, usual time. just checking now :)
[23:17] <menn0> anastasiamac: standup?
[23:39] <mwhudson> menn0: oh huh, i didn't get an invite for that
[23:40] <menn0> mwhudson: the tanzanite standup slot is now the new "A Team" standup slot
[23:40] <menn0> mwhudson: the onyx standup no longer happens
[23:41] <mwhudson> menn0: yeah, but i don't think i got invited to the "A Team" standup, is it in some calendar i should be able to see?
[23:42] <menn0> mwhudson: I just sent you an invite
[23:42] <mwhudson> obviously me not being invited is fine, but not the impression i got on friday...
[23:42] <menn0> (I hope)
[23:42] <menn0> mwhudson: tell me if you didn't get it
[23:42] <mwhudson> i got an invite for today's meeting it seems
[23:43] <mwhudson> but that one only
[23:43] <mwhudson> i assume it recurs?
[23:43] <menn0> mwhudson: grrr... yes it reccurs
[23:47] <anastasiamac> menn0: mwhudson: i can only add to an individual event, not recurrently :( m happy to do it if there is no other way :D
[23:48] <mwhudson> anastasiamac: menn0 invited me tomorrow, i'll ask about it there
[23:49] <anastasiamac> mwhudson: \o/
[23:49] <anastasiamac> menn0: i'll play around with this today.. we were also missing chris :)


[00:21] <xuacu> hi!
[00:21] <daker> hi xuacu
[00:25] <xuacu> daker: have you already fixed Ubuntu-manual -website translations in Launchpad?
[00:26] <daker> not yet, iam working on
[00:26] <daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+imports
[00:26] <daker> the po files want be imported
[00:27] <xuacu> if you can skip ast, it would be great
[00:27] <xuacu> I did it myself
[00:27] <daker> i know :)
[00:27] <xuacu> ok, thx :)
[09:10] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk: did you manage to listen in on the UDS sessions?
[09:11] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Yeah.
[09:11] <godbyk> I'm listening to one on Nautilus right now -- or trying to. They need to speak up.
[09:11] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Which session(s) were you interested in?
[09:11] <IlyaHaykinson> the appstore one
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> How to deliver new, fun, and interesting applications to the current release
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> it's at noon their local time
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. in two hours, i guess
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> just used icecast.ubuntu.com?
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> or was there an irc channel too?
[09:12] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: I'm recording the sessions I'm interested in from icecast and also monitoring the irc channels.
[09:13] <IlyaHaykinson> what are the channels?
[09:13] <godbyk> I'll record that session for ya.
[09:13] <godbyk> streams: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/
[09:13] <godbyk> channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation
[09:13] <IlyaHaykinson> ooh thanks
[09:15] <IlyaHaykinson> now to decide whether i can afford to stay up till 4am my time... *sigh*
[09:16] <godbyk> heh
[09:17] <godbyk> I'm jobless (at least until the end of the week), so I'm just getting up at 1 a.m. and attending remotely.
[09:17] <godbyk> It's really strange fixing lunch at 6 a.m., though.
[09:17] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: also, keep refreshing the schedule because they like to rearrange sessions at the last moment.
[09:17] <IlyaHaykinson> heh. thanks.
[09:18] <thorwil> hi vish! how's uds going for you, so far?
[09:19] <vish> thorwil: in nautilus session..
[09:19] <vish> :)
[09:20] <godbyk> vish: transcribe it for us!
[09:20] <godbyk> or tell them to speak up (talk into the microphones)
[09:20] <godbyk> we can't hear much of anything.
[09:20] <thorwil> vish: of course. anyone proposed to start from scratch, yet? ;)
[09:21] <vish> thorwil: ha not yet ;p
[10:30] <humphreybc> hello hello
[10:30] <godbyk> Morning, humphreybc
[10:30] <humphreybc> morning :)
[10:31] <godbyk> How're you enjoying UDS so far?
[10:31] <humphreybc> it's good, although I slept in this morning - didn't hit the hay till 2:30 last night
[10:31] <humphreybc> was drinking with some OEM guys
[10:32] <humphreybc> went out for dinner with Vishnoo and Kyle and a heap of others
[10:32] <godbyk> cool
[10:32] <godbyk> how was your convo with kyle?
[10:33] <humphreybc> good good, he toasted the ubuntu manual project :)
[10:33] <humphreybc> loves what we've got planned
[10:33] <godbyk> cool
[10:33] <humphreybc> yeah
[10:34] <humphreybc> i'm not sure what's happening with some of my sessions
[10:34] <godbyk> everything keeps getting shuffled about.
[10:34] <godbyk> do you know if they scheduled the ui data collection one?  or is that completely off the table for uds?
[10:34] <humphreybc> not sure, I talked to Charline and Ivanka about it and I think they're meant to be doing it asap
[10:35] <godbyk> (if it's off the table, that's fine, I can write a better essay about it and post it to ayatana, etc.)
[10:35] <humphreybc> I'll pester them again
[10:35] <godbyk> lemme know if/when it gets scheduled.
[10:35] <humphreybc> okay
[10:35] <humphreybc> are there any sessions you think we need?
[10:36] <godbyk> I'm not sure yet. I've only looked at morning sessions so far.
[10:36] <godbyk> I'll plan my afternoon sessions as soon as the current session is over.
[10:36] <humphreybc> kk
[10:36] <humphreybc> what are you in now?
[10:37] <godbyk> I'm listening to a session on docs for packing.
[10:37] <godbyk> docs for packaging, rather.
[10:37] <humphreybc> oh yes?
[10:38] <godbyk> yeah, I've only been half-listening, though. talking to people online.
[10:38] <humphreybc> okay
[10:39] <humphreybc> what was the name of that site we found, similar to ohloh that connects people to projects/
[10:39] <godbyk> it sounds like a lot of people would benefit from a website that lets you write documentation using a wysiwym editor that spits out docbook underneath.
[10:39] <godbyk> collaboratively, pseudo-wiki-like.
[10:39] <humphreybc> yeah, exactly
[10:39] <godbyk> openhatch.org I think.
[10:39] <humphreybc> hence why we're going to make one at some point
[10:39] <humphreybc> ah that's the one!
[10:40] <nisshh> humphreybc: hey dude!
[10:41] <humphreybc> hey nisshh
[10:41] <nisshh> rocking out at UDS?
[10:42] <humphreybc> yeah man!
[10:42] <nisshh> heard you have been running around trying to get some answers for some of the devs
[10:42] <humphreybc> hmm?
[10:43] <nisshh> about lp translations and such
[10:43] <humphreybc> godbyk, that session is on friday in snakewood: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/2010-05-14/
[10:43] <humphreybc> although not linked to anything
[10:44] <nisshh> humphreybc: its been really quite in here with you off at UDS ;)
[10:44] <humphreybc> hahaha
[10:44] <humphreybc> you guys shouldn't need me to tell ya what to do
[10:45] <nisshh> no but its just so quite you can almost hear godbyk talking to himself!
[10:45] <godbyk> lol
[10:45] <humphreybc> hahaha
[10:46] <humphreybc> we're gonna have to start kicking some mega butt soon
[10:46] <nisshh> yea?
[10:46] <humphreybc> shitload of stuff to do
[10:47] <nisshh> meh
[10:48] <godbyk> we're gonna need some more developers, I think.
[10:49] <nisshh> web devs?
[10:49] <godbyk> yeah.
[10:50] <nisshh> well, since my chapter has sort of become obsolete for the maverick pdf then i could help out, what stuff would i need to know?
[10:51] <godbyk> nisshh: I'm not sure yet. We're still working on sorting out the tech we'll need to employ.
[10:52] <nisshh> right
[11:34] <Daker> godbyk, ping
[11:34] <godbyk> Daker: pong
[11:34] <Daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/+imports
[11:34] <Daker>   	 test/po_templates/ubuntu-manual-website/eo.po in Ubuntu-manual-website trunk series
[11:34] <Daker> Needs Review
[11:34] <Daker>
[11:34] <Daker> Uploaded by Adnane Belmadiaf on 2010-05-11 20:10:33 WET
[11:34] <Daker> No import target selected yet.
[11:35] <Daker> i don't know what's happing
[11:35] <Daker> i cant improved them
[11:36] <Daker> approve*
[11:36] <Daker> the po files are downloaded from the ubuntu manual project
[11:36] <Daker> then imported there
[11:36] <godbyk> maybe it's because they came from another project?
[11:37] <godbyk> you might have to change some text in the .po files (like the project name or something)
[11:37] <godbyk> I can't remember: Have you emailed the list and invited the translators to translate the website via https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website?
[11:38] <Daker> yes
[11:38] <godbyk> Okay.
[11:38] <Daker> i have made some changes
[11:38] <godbyk> How about I email the list and suggest that the translators double-check the website translations?
[11:38] <godbyk> So they can make sure everything is still okay.
[11:38] <Daker> "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual\n" to "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual-website\n"
[11:41] <thorwil> godbyk: well, if we become serious about collaborative editing, we need a framework that supports Comet well. rules out PHP, for all i know. seaside (smalltalk) might be ok. some claim smalltalk does wonders for developer productivity and i think i love that language conceptually, but havn't used it yet. Lift (Scala) has some nice examples. a chat can be implemented with a few lines of code. same for Nitrogen (Erlang). Facebook chose E
[11:41] <thorwil> rlang to implement their chat
[11:41] <godbyk> I haven't used any of those languages.
[11:41] <IlyaHaykinson> i don't see a ton of need for us to get into realtime collaborative editing
[11:42] <godbyk> I think most of our plans will be okay without real-time collaboration.
[11:44] <godbyk> Daker: Did you import the .po files because the existing ubuntu-manual-website translations were out of date?  (they were translating under ubuntu-manual and not ubuntu-manual-website?)
[11:44] <Daker> no
[11:44] <godbyk> Daker: Okay. What were you attempting to do?
[11:45] <Daker> because i don't want people to retranslate all the strings again
[11:45] <Daker> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html
[11:46] <godbyk> Is it showing the proper translations as suggestions?
[11:46] <Daker> yeah i know
[11:46] <godbyk> Basically, if this is a one-time change where we can have the translators go in and accept all the suggestions real quick, then that's fine.
[11:47] <Daker> importing the po files will be more quick that reselecting suggestions and submitting them
[11:49] <godbyk> Daker: I understand.  Unfortunately, it's not working.  I don't know why.
[11:50] <Daker> i should ask in #launchpad
[11:50] <godbyk> yeah, that's probably best.
[11:54] <humphreybc> So I announced the USLC on omg and my blog
[11:54] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html
[11:54] <humphreybc> let the angry comments begin!
[11:54] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: i think it's a bit premature, actually.
[11:54] <humphreybc> oh well
[11:54] <IlyaHaykinson> i would rather that we settle the plans on our side, before pushing this out to the community
[11:55] <godbyk> I think it would've been better to wait until we approached the docs team.
[11:55] <IlyaHaykinson> especially as we still need to find good ways to incorporate and invite others to the process
[11:55] <humphreybc> sure
[11:55] <Daker> IlyaHaykinson, +1
[11:55] <IlyaHaykinson> plus, honestly, we still have a ton of lucid work
[11:55] <godbyk> humphreybc: also, verb tense!  future tense for things that haven't been done yet.
[11:55] <godbyk> our manual isn't downloadable in different formats (only PDF).
[11:56] <humphreybc> I needed a third thing to make it flow well :P
[11:56] <godbyk> We don't make it available in multiple languages; we *are working* to make it available in multiple languages. :)
[11:56] <humphreybc> i'm off
[11:56] <humphreybc> chow!
[11:56] <godbyk> see ya
[11:56] <Daker> godbyk, Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 94371840 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/stats/stats.php on line 53
[11:56] <Daker> http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8
[11:57] <godbyk> Daker: We probably need to make the SQL queries more efficient or something.
[11:57] <godbyk> Are you just pulling down the entire table and then doing the math and aggregation?
[11:58] <Daker> no i just pull down the records that much with the id
[11:58] <godbyk> Daker: okay, let me look at the code.
[11:58] <Daker> oki
[11:59] <godbyk> Daker: it's because you're looking through each individual hit.
[12:00] <godbyk> I'll see if I can make it more efficient.
[12:00] <godbyk> give me a few minutes.
[12:00] <Daker> the Fatal error is with the php or the mysql ?
[12:01] <IlyaHaykinson> gnite all
[12:01] <godbyk> Daker: well, it's because the php is trying to load a whole bunch of data from the mysql server at once.
[12:01] <Daker> good night IlyaHaykinson
[12:01] <godbyk> and the php process runs out of memory for it all.
[12:02] <Daker> ah oki
[12:02] <godbyk> right now the query is returning nearly 70,000 rows of data.
[12:06] <godbyk> Daker: it'll take me a bit to rewrite the stats site.
[12:06] <godbyk> I'll be back in just a bit. I need to find something to eat.
[12:06] <Daker> take your time
[14:01] <Daker> godbyk, see that http://www.jtalkplugin.com/
[14:04] <Daker> http://weston.ruter.net/projects/html5-audio-read-along/
[14:05] <godbyk> cool
[14:05] <Daker> the last one is very good
[19:13] <c7p> hello
[19:14] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.
[19:14] <godbyk> c7p: Can you check the latest PDF I've uploaded to make sure that \ie and \eg are properly translated, please?
[19:15] <c7p> sure :)
[19:15] <godbyk> (The \chaplink and other cross-references aren't resolved right now because xindy hates me. :-()
[19:17] <c7p> yeah the \ie and \eg work
[19:17] <godbyk> cool.
[19:18] <godbyk> Also, I think I'm going to use the same font for the heads and marginal material as I'm using for the body text: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/greek-serif-only.pdf
[19:18] <godbyk> I need to do something because the current headings font doesn't have bold Greek letters.
[19:19] <c7p> yes something should be done
[19:19] <c7p> I have talked with topo and he suggested me the greek font that he uses
[19:19] <godbyk> Which font does he use?
[19:20] <daker> godbyk, we got the translations imported to the website project
[19:20] <godbyk> It needs to look good for both large test (the headings) and small text (the captions and margin notes).
[19:20] <c7p> http://iris.math.aegean.gr/kerkis/
[19:20] <godbyk> daker: cool.
[19:21] <c7p> can you tell me how can i compile some pdfs with different fonts on the heading and tell you which is the most preferable ?
[19:22] <c7p> if it isn't too much advanced of course
[19:22] <godbyk> It's a little advanced, but not too bad.
[19:22] <godbyk> If you edit the um-greek.clo file, you can set the fonts there.
[19:25] <c7p> so for the heading which lines should be altered ?
[19:25] <godbyk> Let me upload my modified copy of the file and you can see.
[19:27] <godbyk> I've just pushed the modified file.
[19:27] <godbyk> You'll want to modify lines 14 and 16.
[19:27] <godbyk> Er. 14 and 15.
[19:29] <c7p> ty i think the modified will help definitely
[19:30] <godbyk> Well, I can't let it remain as is, when the headings half bold and half normal weight. That's for sure! :)
[19:30] <c7p> I'm happy for that
[19:34] <godbyk> Did the greek-serif-only.pdf file look okay?
[19:34] <c7p> yes it was pretty good
[19:37] <godbyk> Okay, good.
[19:37] <godbyk> Next, I need to figure out how to appease xindy to the compilation doesn't fail.
[19:39] <c7p> i suggest using serif-only , it looks great!
[19:39] <c7p> hope you will overcome the problem
[19:41] <c7p> godbyk: is this happening only with the greek language ? If it happens so, I can seek for help from the greek community.
[19:42] <godbyk> I think it's happening with other translations, too.
[19:42] <godbyk> I'm still looking into it.
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> hello all 0/
[21:38] <c7p> hey ubuntujenkins
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> are c7p I will do your stuff now. I have had a busy few days
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> *r not are
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: el right?
[21:39] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: np :)
[21:39] <c7p> yes
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> language
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: I have made i so you can redo that screenshot when you like
[21:50] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: cool thx, the latest uploaded screenshots are the good ones
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> sure I will approve then asap lots of stuff to do at the moment :/
[21:59] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: there is no reason to be panic :), approve them when you find time. This job isn't of very high priority now
[22:44] <c7p> night all
[22:44] <daker> good night c7p
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> night all o/
[23:46] <dpic> hey, i wrote that Lucid Post-Install guide (TheSilentNumber)
[23:46] <dpic> someone names benjamin told me i should stop by
[23:50] <dpic> named*


[12:16] <Nafallo> mdke: ping
[12:18] <Nafallo> Seveas: ping
[12:18] <Nafallo> jdub: ping
[12:18] <Seveas> Nafallo, ICMP ECHO REPLY
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> lol
[12:19] <Nafallo> hi! do you have a license for the dutch forumtheme ubuntu-se want's to use? :-)
[12:20] <Seveas> Nafallo, hehe, it's a rip-off of ubuntu.com combined with a standard punbb theme
[12:20] <Seveas> I can tar it up for you if you want, but it's not too pretty
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> lol
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> go Seveas
[12:21] <Seveas> (You also should disable all other themes, since they sometimes don't integrate well)
[12:21] <Nafallo> infact, I think ozamosi already stolen it ;-)
[12:21] <Seveas> (and the poll crud is a recent addition that is Uber crap css-wise)
[12:21] <Diablo-D3> Hrm.
[12:21] <Seveas> Nafallo, :)
[12:21] <Seveas> URL?
[12:22] <Nafallo> http://ubuntu-se.org/forum IIRC. right ozamosi? :-)
[12:22] <Diablo-D3> not thatI have the money, mind you, but the whole osx experience is.... is....alluring
[12:22] <ozamosi> Nafallo: jupp
[12:22] <Seveas> Nafallo, looks like it, just without the right bar :)
[12:22] <Diablo-D3> a computer... that works perfectly.... out of the box
[12:22] <Diablo-D3> no tweaking, no having to isntall linux
[12:22] <ozamosi> Seveas: I removed it, since I didn't have anything to write in it
[12:23] <Nafallo> hehe, so the work has no license then? :-P
[12:23] <Diablo-D3> so, guys
[12:23] <Diablo-D3> when can I start buying boxen with ubuntu preinstalled?
[12:23] <Seveas> Nafallo, the license for the bits I created is "Do whatever you want and don't blame me when it breaks" :)
[12:24] <unkn0wn2u> why in the hell does linux in all its beauty still persistantly try dns servers in order in /etc/resolve ? if the server on the top is down it takes extra time to try the next one
[12:24] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: well
[12:24] <Diablo-D3> this is sorta why I like dnsmasq
[12:24] <Diablo-D3> atleast then I can cache results easily
[12:24] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, I agree, it should be randomly
[12:24] <Nafallo> Seveas: that's what I thought ;-)
[12:25] <unkn0wn2u> Diablo-D3, I don't think random   I think whatever one is the fastest
[12:25] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: but you cant know which one is fastest
[12:25] <unkn0wn2u> Diablo-D3, do a ping and the lowest time
[12:25] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: except that wastes time
[12:26] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: the time it takes to get a ping done, I could have the dns request completed
[12:26] <unkn0wn2u> not if you only do it once when a dns server dies on you
[12:26] <Diablo-D3> I think it should be random
[12:26] <unkn0wn2u> Diablo-D3, what if 2 of 3 are down
[12:27] <Nafallo> Seveas: what do you think about the ubuntu.com parts? jdub as the person to talk to and they love if we use it under whatever copyright? :-P
[12:28] <Seveas> Nafallo, back when I started with the dutch site, I talked to a canonical person, don't remember who, but I got permission to use it
[12:28] <Seveas> at least unofficially
[12:28] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: okay, lets say it randomly hits one, and that one is down...
[12:28] <Nafallo> hmm, oki. should be hno73's work I think?
[12:28] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: then it randomly hits one of the other two.... and that one is down...
[12:28] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: then it just randomly hits the last one. ;)
[12:28] <Seveas> Nafallo, please keep me posted on this :)
[12:29] <Nafallo> Seveas: I will :-)
[12:29] <Seveas> ta
[12:29] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: however, theres a problem
[12:29] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: apps dont keep hitting dns servers
[12:29] <Diablo-D3> when dns times out, they just go on, instead of hitting the other servers
[12:29] <Diablo-D3> which imo is a bug in itself
[12:30] <unkn0wn2u> Diablo-D3, if it was random it could hit the first one twice the second one then the first one again then the final one , if it was random
[12:30] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: theres an implication that dead servers get removed
[12:30] <unkn0wn2u> thats good
[12:30] <unkn0wn2u> that is all i want
[12:30] <Diablo-D3> of course, as I said, apps dont hit the rest of the servers
[12:31] <Diablo-D3> I wish someone would hack glibc's resolver to hit other servers until it resolves
[12:31] <Diablo-D3> I mean, the way dns works is kinda retarded
[12:31] <unkn0wn2u> yep
[12:32] <Diablo-D3> a) we allow multiple ips per a record, but apps dont randomly choose what ip to use
[12:32] <Diablo-D3> b) we allow multiple dns servers to resolve from, but apps dont automatically fall back
[12:33] <Diablo-D3> atleast, if they do fall back, I've never seen useful behavior come out of that
[12:34] <unkn0wn2u> all i know is that my isp's primary dns server crashes all the time and sometimes so does its secondary so I have to edit /etc/resolve.conf to speed things up when one goes down
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> unkn0wn2u: so apps are hitting the 2nd dns server eventually?
[12:34] <unkn0wn2u> yes
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> ignore what I said in b then
[12:34] <unkn0wn2u> just takes a couple of seconds
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> they do fall back
[12:35] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, if this was atleast randomly chosen, it'd a) make load balancing implicit in the design, b) a bit saner
[12:35] <unkn0wn2u> try it for yourself put two fake dns entries into resolv.conf and it takes much more time to get to where you want to go
[12:36] <unkn0wn2u> Diablo-D3, I agree with that
[12:38] <Diablo-D3> I should add a regular running feature on my blog
[12:38] <Diablo-D3> "Diablo's List Of Bad Ideas" or something
[01:23] <mdke> Nafallo, pong
[01:27] <Nafallo> mdke: hi! do your moinmoin wikitheme has a license? :-)
[01:28] <mdke> Nafallo, go ahead and help yourself. except the "ubuntu-it" header of course :D
[01:28] <Nafallo> thanx :-)
[01:28] <Nafallo> public domain or copyleft then :-)
[01:30] <TheMuso> Hi all. I have recently reported a bug, which I now have a fix for. However, the fix involved editing the configure.in of the package the bug was reported against. The package build doesn't generate the configure script every time it gets built, so what should my patch contain, as well as adding build deps, etc?
[01:31] <djk_> doko_: hi, why does the OOo package not include DicOOo and why does it not use the standard OOo buttons?
[01:32] <infinity> TheMuso : If you don't want to completely mess with the package to regenrate configure (which I wouldn't bother with), your patch should include the patch to configure.in, a patch to configure, and a hunk in debian/rules that touches each configure-related file in the right order to make sure they don't get re-genrated on build.
[01:32] <minghua> TheMuso: I'm not an expert on this, but I've seen the general way to deal with this is to re-auto* the package, and provide a patch to configure as well
[01:33] <minghua> infinity: is there any doc on how to get the timestamps right?
[01:33] <infinity> TheMuso : Read /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian.gz for info on timestamps.
[01:34] <minghua> infinity: ah ok, I've read that file, but I must have missed the timestamp part
[01:34] <infinity> TheMuso : (adjust as appropriate, if the package has more auto* stuff than is mentioned in the timestam pskew example)
[01:35] <infinity> minghua : "The problem with time-stamp skews and Debian source packages:"
[01:35] <TheMuso> infinity: Thank you.
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> hum
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> does anyone have problems with <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2 starting?
[01:37] <Nafallo> Diablo-D3: we are currently developing 6.04. what's <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:37] <Diablo-D3> er
[01:37] <Diablo-D3> somewhere in there the word "hal" dissapeared
[01:37] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:38] <Nafallo> I don't think so, but I haven't checked it either :-)
[01:39] <Diablo-D3> it stops hal, it stops udev, it starts udev, and it just stops at trying to start hal
[01:39] <TheMuso> infinity: What approach should I take if the package uses cdbs?
[01:39] <infinity> TheMuso : Cry.
[01:39] <minghua> infinity: thanks, and reading.  I use dpatch though, and I've not seen such time-stamp skew yet, I wonder if you know dpatch is immuned?
[01:40] <infinity> TheMuso : Some double-colon target (like "clean::" maybe?) would likely be the right place to put it with cdbs.
[01:40] <infinity> minghua : Nothing is immune, but you could be patching in such a way as to make yourself immune by accident. :)
[01:40] <Diablo-D3> lol
[01:40] <Diablo-D3> it catches itself
[01:40] <infinity> minghua : ie: if you always patch .in before configure, etc.
[01:40] <Diablo-D3>  * Starting Hardware abstraction layer:
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> a minute later
[01:41] <TheMuso> infinity: Thanks again. Will see how I go.
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 2
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed.
[01:41] <Diablo-D3>  * Starting Hardware abstraction layer:
[01:41] <minghua> infinity: :-(  I'll read that doc carefully again, and fix my packages
[01:42] <infinity> minghua : Do you ever get failures on slower arches (m68k, arm, mipsel) that you can't really explain? :)
[01:42] <infinity> minghua : They are far more likely to smack into timestamp skew issues (though I see it in the Ubuntu DC buildds too)
[01:43] <minghua> infinity: no, not yet, even though I put both patches of Makefile.am and Makefile.in in one .dpatch file
[01:43] <infinity> minghua : Could be pure luck with the order of the patch file. :)
[01:43] <infinity> minghua : Err, wait.  You're not patching configure directly, though?
[01:44] <infinity> minghua : If you're re-running autogen.sh (or whatever) in your build, then you're immune by definition.
[01:44] <minghua> infinity: no, not configure.  Just Makefile.* stuff
[01:44] <minghua> infinity: but no, not re-bootstrapping either
[01:45] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[01:45] <infinity> minghua : Oh, okay.  Check.
[01:45] <Diablo-D3> I wish realtime-lsm came with the kernel by default
[01:45] <infinity> minghua : Then yeah, .am should be patched/touched before .in, unless you're in AM_MAINTAINER_MODE, then it won't even try to re-generate.
[01:45] <minghua> infinity: as you said, maybe just pure luck.  better not depend on luck too much, I suppose :-)
[01:46] <Diablo-D3> anyone wanna comment on that?
[01:54] <mdke> mjg59, awesome usplash
[01:55] <mjg59> mdke: Haha
[01:55] <mdke> you own design?
[01:56] <mdke> r
[01:56] <mdke> mm kernel works too
[01:56] <mdke> rocking
[02:01] <wasabi> Slashdot: (#14175758)
[02:01] <wasabi> I'm deeply suspicious of a so-called "educational" distribution put together by people who can't seem to spell "calendar" correctly [edubuntu.org] .
[02:01] <wasabi> Somebody might want to fix that. ;)
[02:02] <tseng> you know in the netiquite rfc it has an item about not posting soley to make fun of someones spelling mistake
[02:02] <tseng> it was a pretty key item
[02:03] <wasabi> I'm just pasting a /. posting that happened, despite it's sarcasm, point out a legitimate spelling mistake.
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> I still get a kick out of the ubuntu dapper ksplash
[02:03] <wasabi> I should have paraphrased I suspose.
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> er usplash
[02:04] <Diablo-D3> 2.6.15-6 seems to boot fine, btw
[02:06] <theCore> guys, what do you recommend for installing packages ? aptitude or apt-get ?
[02:06] <wasabi> Try both, you decide.
[02:07] <theCore> wasabi: it for the PackagingGuide
[02:07] <theCore> i want to know what we should recommend to the readers
[02:08] <infinity> From the name, I'd assume "PackagingGuide" is aimed at people who are building software?
[02:08] <LaserJock> infinity: correct
[02:08] <infinity> If so, you should assume they know how to install software. :)
[02:08] <infinity> "Install build-essential" is fine, you don't need "apt-get install build-essential"
[02:08] <minghua> good point :-)
[02:09] <infinity> They can use apt, aptitude, dselect, synaptic, or download the debs by hand if they want.
[02:09] <LaserJock> but it is more than buil-essential that we are recommending
[02:09] <infinity> LaserJock : Doesn't matter.  The point is that you should recommend packages to install, not HOW to install them.
[02:09] <mdke> +1
[02:09] <infinity> If your target audience is so far down the learning curve that they don't know how to install software, they're not ready to be building it yet, and should be reading an entirely differnt set of docs.
[02:10] <theCore> infinity: good point
[02:10] <LaserJock> infinity: true I just wanted to have a one liner because we list lots of packages but you don't necessary have to install all of them because of deps, etc.
[02:10] <mdke> yeah they can start reading something else
[02:10] <wasabi> I probably wouldn't recommend a packager to install anything except build-essential, though. Seems to me the best package results from packagers tracing down the dependencies for the piece of software when they're needed.
[02:10] <minghua> LaserJock: what about "install foo, bar, baz and their dependencies"?
[02:11] <LaserJock> but maybe the solution is to do as infinity suggests and just take that out
[02:11] <LaserJock> minghua: right
[02:12] <LaserJock> wasabi: well, we are going to use examples so we need to at least put the programs that are going to be used in the examples
[02:12] <theCore> LaserJock, maybe but having the whole command near is convenient
[02:12] <infinity> And yeah, recommending that people install much more than build-essential and devsctips is just asking for trouble down the road with missing build-deps.
[02:12] <minghua> LaserJock: then you should use apt-get build-deps
[02:12] <infinity> devscripts, too.
[02:13] <wasabi> Btw, I think it's awesome that you're writing this.
[02:13] <LaserJock> right, here is the list as of now : build-essential dh-make automake pbuilder gnupg lintian dchroot debian-policy debian-reference
[02:13] <wasabi> When I was learning packaging, there wasn't any good resource other than the debian dev/policy and existing packages. ;)
[02:14] <infinity> theCore / LaserJock : If this is including walktrhgoh examples, I guess this is meant as a replacement for Debian New Maintainer's Guide?
[02:14] <LaserJock> infinity: sort of
[02:14] <LaserJock> infinity: maybe a little easier
[02:15] <LaserJock> infinity: put not everybody does I guess
[02:15] <LaserJock> s/put/but/
[02:16] <minghua> If you are remaking/improving NM guide, would you please de-emphasis the dh_make approach and add more details about hand-crafting the debian/rules?
[02:16] <minghua> dh_make really generates bad debian/rules except for the most basic package
[02:17] <infinity> I'm of two minds about that.
[02:17] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I hope to get a lot out of #ubuntu-motu-school
[02:17] <infinity> dh_make is a good place to start to see what is available to you, via debhelper, etc.
[02:17] <infinity> If you're doing complex packaging, one assumes you've already done some basic packaging and know what tricks you can dna can't pull.
[02:18] <infinity> And that's certainly out of the scope of a beginner's guide to packaging.
[02:18] <minghua> infinity: very ture
[02:18] <minghua> s/ture/true/
[02:18] <LaserJock> well I wanted to have different packaging scenarios that would illustrate when it is appropriate to use things like dh_make and cdbs etc.
[02:18] <infinity> (I wouldn't expect a beginner to come up with the crazy debian/rules2 in gcc, for instance)
[02:19] <minghua> infinity: I had always been hoping there would be an "Advanced Maintainers' Guide" :-)
[02:19] <infinity> I suppose someone could write one, but Make is pretty flexible if you mangle it just right, so an "Advanced Maintainer's Guide" could be a single line saying "do whatever you have to do to make it work, HTH, HAND"
[02:20] <minghua> the reality is that most currently (interesting) non-packaged software are more than "basic"
[02:20] <LaserJock> minghua: well this could include more advanced topics eventually
[02:21] <theCore> LaserJock: that would make a great guide
[02:21] <infinity> Yeah, but if you run through and example of ground-up packaging of "Hello World", then go look at the source for complex packages, you can make the logical leaps from "simple" to "complex" yourself.  Probably.
[02:24] <minghua> Is this PackagingGuide online somewhere right now?
[02:25] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com
[02:25] <theCore> yes, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[02:25] <minghua> thanks, both of you
[02:28] <minghua> Hmm, where should I report typos for this packaging guide?  #ubuntu-doc?
[02:28] <LaserJock> minghua:
[02:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:33] <crimsun> elmo: please sync omniorb4 from Sid (overriding Ubuntu changes), thanks
[04:28] <pepsi> is the replacement of hotplug by the new udev package intentional? im hesitant to allow hotplug to be removed
[04:31] <minghua> pepsi: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-December/000028.html
[04:31] <pepsi> i see
[04:32] <pepsi> i should probably subscribe to that, eh?
[04:32] <minghua> pepsi: and you should subscribe to that list if you uses dapper
[04:32] <minghua> exactly :-)
[04:43] <pepsi> yay.. that was exactly what i was looking for.. now i dont have to get yelled at for asking about dapper in #ubuntu ;)
[04:45] <minghua> oh?  people yell at you for asking questions about dapper on #ubuntu?
[04:45] <minghua> that's unfortunate
[04:45] <pepsi> well
[04:46] <pepsi> usually something like "DONT USE DAPPER" or somesuch ;)
[04:46] <minghua> well, that's more or less true, though
[04:47] <pepsi> and i understand that having people asking for help with an unfinished release only adds to the overwhelming number of questions asked
[04:48] <pepsi> but its silly to just tell people already using it to not use it ;)
[04:49] <minghua> pepsi: yes.  if you don't intend to help testing, I think you should wait until the preview release
[04:49] <pepsi> perhaps if the mailing lists were pointed out.. i just assumed they were more about "hey billl... theres a bug in x-package.. could you chceck it out?"
[04:50] <pepsi> i spent a few hours figuring out why gnome-app-install kept crashing :P
[04:50] <pepsi> tis firefox's fault
[04:50] <pepsi> but i tracked it to the exact function
[04:53] <pepsi> but then i never filed a bug report :D
[05:23] <poningru> I had a question, why do we not use the driver binaries that the manufacturer gives us permission to distribute? in restricted ofcourse
[05:52] <infinity> poningru : For example?... We do use some (nvidia and ati come to mind)
[05:53] <infinity> poningru : s/use/ship/, we don't install them by default (because we can't really support them)
[05:54] <poningru> right
[05:54] <poningru> for example the wireless drivers
[05:55] <infinity> Like the atheros drivers we ship?
[05:55] <poningru> there was some rumors that couple of chipset devs would allow drivers to be shipped
[05:55] <poningru> but arent those open?
[05:55] <infinity> Not precisely, no.
[05:55] <poningru> oh
[05:56] <infinity> The ath_hal portion of them is very not open, and that's why its in restricted.
[05:56] <poningru> hmm ic
[05:56] <infinity> Are there actually drivers we COULD distribute that we a) don't have a working alternative for and b) aren't distributing?
[05:57] <infinity> And if you're going to suggest distributing the Win32 drivers for use with ndiswrapper, no, we don't have a license to do that, rumours notwithstanding.
[05:57] <poningru> ah gotcha
[05:57] <infinity> "Manufacturers would look the other way and pretend not to notice" isn't the same as "we can legally distribute them".
[05:58] <poningru> so if we were to 'lobby' the manufacturer to allow redistribution...
[05:58] <poningru> we == customers
[05:59] <infinity> If customers managed to lobby manufacturers to allow (in writing) redistribution of certain drivers known to work with ndiswrapper, there'd be no difference between us distributing that and us distributing closed firmware and ath_hal, IMO.
[05:59] <infinity> That doesn't mean we WOULD, but there's be a better chance of talking us into it.
[05:59] <poningru> but there is something that I found in the (b) category btw
[06:00] <poningru> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads
[06:00] <poningru> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/rt2400
[06:00] <poningru> err
[06:00] <poningru> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/rt2400/rt2500-1.1.0-b3.tar.gz?download
[06:01] <infinity> We have the rt2x00 drivers in our default kernel builds.
[06:01] <poningru> oh we do?
[06:02] <poningru> hmm guess I better take this to the user support channel then
[06:02] <poningru> cause mine isnt working
[06:02] <infinity> $ modinfo rt2400
[06:02] <poningru> and lots of people's arent working
[06:02] <dilinger> noooooooooo
[06:02] <dilinger> dilinger@sticky:~$ gtetrinet
[06:02] <dilinger> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x080de710 ***
[06:02] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[06:02] <Lathiat> haha dilinger
[06:03] <poningru> oh hmm ok it does exist
[06:03] <infinity> poningru : The very top of that wiki page notes that Breezy supports rt2x00 out of the box.
[06:04] <poningru> ok thanks this was mistake on my part
[06:04] <poningru> sorry about that
[06:04] <poningru> wasting your time and all
[06:04] <infinity> poningru : If "lsmod | grep rt2" doesn't show it having a driver loaded for your card, your problem is in udev (in dapper) or hotplug (in breezy)
[06:05] <poningru> no the driver is loaded its just not connecting
[06:05] <infinity> poningru : If the right driver IS loaded, but you have no interface, or the interface doesn't work, file a bug on the kernel.
[06:05] <poningru> its most likely something I did wrong
[06:05] <poningru> but I will file a bug if its something wrong with the interface
[06:06] <poningru> once again thanks dude
[06:09] <pepsi> what is bazaar?
[06:10] <poningru> https://launchpad.net/products/bazaar
[06:11] <pepsi> ok
[06:11] <poningru> basically cvs but with more upstream/downstream controls and more friendliness in general
[06:11] <poningru> well I guess the second portion is debatable for some people
[06:13] <pepsi> but its a version control thang
[06:13] <pepsi> its what ubuntu uses i guess
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:DES4INMGPQINDVOUGOQPQP4QWZXJXDCW
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> oops wrong window
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> thats a music torrent if anyone cares, btw
[08:49] <zakame> hello
[08:49] <zakame> is daniels around?
[08:50] <infinity> Nope.
[08:50] <zakame> waah... I'd just like to ask if gccmakedep's really gone in dapper
[08:50] <zakame> as MAS seems to need it (from xutils) to build
[08:51] <infinity> Why does it need it?... Can you replicate the behaviour with "gcc -M"/
[08:51] <infinity> ?
[08:52] <zakame> I just did that, but I wasn't sure if that's the way to go, so I was asking :)
[08:52] <zakame> I asked earlier at -motu, siretart was unsure too
[08:53] <zakame> with DEPEND="gcc -M" MAS built ok :)
[08:55] <zakame> thanks :)
[10:45] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[11:56] <zyga> morning
[01:28] <djk_> doko: hi, why does the OOo package not include DicOOo and why does it not use the standard OOo buttons?
[02:42] <\sh> elmo: please sync pgadmin3 from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes
[02:42] <\sh> elmo: thx
[02:51] <mjg59> jdub: I'd already got in touch with them
[03:08] <zyga> \sh: hi do you have ro accecss to archive.ubuntu.com?
[03:09] <\sh> zyga: via web? yes
[03:09] <zyga> \sh: fast?
[03:09] <\sh> zyga: yes
[03:10] <zyga> \sh: is there any way you could mount it for unix tools to work?
[03:10] <zyga> \sh: I need to run three scripts on all the debs
[03:11] <\sh> zyga: hmmm? ro access i have via http..i don't have any direct access...this is elmo who has the power to do everything
[03:11] <zyga> ah, ok
[03:11] <zyga> elmo: :)
[03:19] <poningru> can someone update this page please?
[03:19] <poningru> why not link it to the new faq?
[03:19] <poningru> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view
[03:33] <pkern> zyga: Isn't it possible with fuse anyhow?
[03:33] <pkern> zyga: But perhaps this requires WebDAV for the listing, don't know.
[03:37] <\sh> pkern: hi..any news about gobby 0.3.x?
[03:38] <pkern> \sh: We've got a weird encoding bug to fix before we could release Gobby 0.3.0... Sadly enough. |:
[03:38] <pkern> \sh: That's the only thing left, but it doesn't happen with Linux<->Linux but with other combinations.
[03:38] <pkern> \sh: I can't build debs earlier because 0.3.0rc3 > 0.3.0 if you ask dpkg ;)
[03:39] <pkern> \sh: Lame excuse, I know that it would be possible anyway. ;)
[03:39] <\sh> pkern: no problem :) ogra is just waiting for it for edubuntu :)
[03:40] <pkern> \sh: Deadline? ;)
[03:40] <siretart> yesterday *fg*
[03:40] <\sh> pkern: 19th jan
[03:40] <pkern> \sh: Easy enough. :P
[03:41] <\sh> well..I have to say, yesterday at the essener linuxtage a lot of people were interested in edubuntu. the workshop was quite fillled up with people...and during ogras talk many people were listening...so there is a market for edubuntu :)
[03:42] <pkern> \sh: Guess what I am running on the desktop. ;)
[03:42] <pkern> \sh: Edubuntu rocks and the artwork is cool, too. :P
[03:42] <\sh> pkern: gerntoo? ,-)
[03:43] <pkern> \sh: Edubuntu (: I am so tired of Gentoo... Forget to update for a month and you're screwed.
[03:43] <\sh> pkern: hehe..I know what you mean...
[03:44] <\sh> but I heard just now, that suddenly 100 ubuntu cds reached the gentoo booth in essen :)
[03:45] <pkern> As long the 100 ubuntu cds don't reach the Debian booth... *fg*
[03:45] <pkern> I'm still distributing all those Ubuntu Breezy copies besides me among our teachers.
[03:46] <pkern> It's just that the German translation on the Live CD isn't that great. At least the buttons in the panel remain untranslated.
[03:46] <\sh> pkern: hmm...I just bought a debian shirt...it's x-mas time :)
[03:46] <pkern> \sh: I bought one in Karlsruhe some months ago. :P
[03:46] <pkern> \sh: But well, I am associated anyway. ;)
[03:47] <\sh> pkern: *g* ]
[03:47] <pkern> If Ubuntu (as in Linux) wouldn't screw my laptop's harddisk drive I would use it more... But like this I stick to enhance the DarwinPorts in OpenDarwin a bit... *cough*
[03:49] <\sh> hmmm...bugzille no.?
[03:49] <\sh> :)
[03:50] <pkern> \sh: It doesn't really matter where I would file it...
[03:51] <pkern> \sh: Paul van Tilburg's blog is down at the moment. ):
[03:52] <pkern> \sh: So I can't link you to the problem
[03:52] <pkern> \sh: Last time I filed a bugzilla bug I never saw a solution... And I wasn't able to finger it out, too. (xfs as root)
[03:52] <\sh> pkern: next time then :)
[03:53] <djk_> when's the best time to talk to doko?
[03:53] <\sh> djk_: when he is at work? so between monday and friday :)
[03:54] <\sh> or email him :)
[03:54] <pkern> Anyone using RSS reading in Thunderbird? ;)
[03:57] <\sh> i don't use thunderbird at all
[03:58] <pkern> I just try to convert myself to it... But the RSS reader seems stupid.
[03:58] <pkern> Time for a RSS to mail interface
[03:58] <\sh> pkern: there is one
[03:59] <djk_> \sh: well, yes, i meant in here ;)
[03:59] <\sh> pkern: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/rss2email/
[04:00] <pkern> Surely it was packaged by Joey... ha
[04:00] <pkern> Thanks (:
[04:05] <sivang> pkern: this is surely somethign related to some specific combination of hardware
[04:05] <pkern> sivang: Well, it parks the HD heads several times per minute.
[04:05] <sivang> pkern: ah,. well I was use experiencing data loss, I am not sure if it was due to parking heads
[04:07] <pkern> sivang: The harddisk gets too many of those and then refuses to read sectors.
[04:07] <pkern> sivang: I had two replaces already.
[04:08] <zyga> pkern: I could just rsync but that's 50GB away :)
[04:09] <pkern> zyga: Isn't there a development machine with a mirror of it available?
[04:09] <pkern> Like merkel in Debian ;)
[04:09] <zyga> pkern: not for me
[04:09] <pkern> k
[05:21] <ogra> hey stockholm
[05:21] <stockholm> ogra: hi!
[05:21] <stockholm> ogra: how are things?
[05:22] <stockholm> ogra: are you aware of the schoolserver meeting in nrnberg?
[05:22] <ogra> fine :)
[05:22] <ogra> when ?
[05:22] <stockholm> dec 17
[05:22] <ogra> hmm, nope, wasnt aware ...
[05:22] <ogra> but i met your colleagues yesterday at linuxtag in essen
[05:22] <stockholm> i am not sure how one gets invited.
[05:23] <stockholm> who was that?
[05:23] <stockholm> the skolelinux gang?
[05:23] <ogra> they invited me to your test center in guetersloh
[05:23] <stockholm> i never saw them in action
[05:23] <ogra> oh, lots of people hving a booth there ...
[05:23] <stockholm> that is their standard move. they invite everyone (c:
[05:23] <ogra> hehe
[05:23] <\sh> in guetersloh?
[05:23] <ogra> i'll visit if i have time ...
[05:24] <stockholm> cool.
[05:24] <stockholm> there is a meeting in januar, too
[05:24] <stockholm> near aachen
[05:24] <stockholm> when is mark online normaly?
[05:24] <\sh> next to the evil place of the bertelsmann cd printing company? ,)
[05:24] <ogra> i'm very busy until end of feb ... but aachen mightbe possible (only 80km)
[05:24] <stockholm> i want to know how hard it is (and rewarding) to live in southafrica (c:
[05:25] <stockholm> \sh: i dont know about that. what was the deal with that?
[05:25] <pkern> \sh: CTCP LOCATION
[05:25] <Kamion> stockholm: UK working hours would be a better bet than Sunday :-) However he's been travelling a fair bit, so if I were you I'd try e-mail
[05:25] <stockholm> ogra: why are you so busy?
[05:25] <ogra> stockholm, finishing the next edubuntu before feture freeze ;)
[05:25] <\sh> stockholm: well..I worked in guetersloh...for mr. mohn junior :) next to sonopress :)
[05:25] <ogra> *feature
[05:26] <stockholm> Kamion: do you think he would have time to answer *those* kind of questions in email? (c:
[05:26] <\sh> pkern: hehe :)
[05:26] <Kamion> stockholm: no idea
[05:26] <pkern> \sh: That's not a valid response ;)
[05:26] <stockholm> ogra: ah, i understand.
[05:26] <\sh> pkern: kerpen :) rhein-erft, NRW :)
[05:26] <pkern> \sh: NRW! kk (:
[05:26] <stockholm> ogra: then you might be too busy for the nrnberg meeting, too.
[05:27] <pkern> \sh: So you're having snow up there? ;)
[05:27] <ogra> likely ...
[05:27] <ogra> hey pkern
[05:27] <\sh> pkern: next to michael schumachers cart racing
[05:27] <ogra> nice to see you here :)
[05:27] <pkern> Hey ogra (:
[05:27] <stockholm> arg, i am needed downstairs
[05:27] <\sh> pkern: well...to be honest, i didn't have a look out of my window for today..but I don't think so
[05:27] <stockholm> see you around.
[05:27] <Kamion>  Source and binary demotions to universe
[05:27] <Kamion>  ---------------------------------------
[05:27] <Kamion>  o readline4: libreadline4
[05:27] <Kamion> SCORE
[05:27] <ogra> heh
[05:27] <pkern> ogra: I heard Jan 19th as a deadline...
[05:27] <ogra> thats upstream version freeze
[05:28] <pkern> ogra: Fine.
[05:28] <\sh> ogra: latest date for including gobby :)
[05:28] <ogra> getting all new features into ltsp is my main work currently ...
[05:28] <ogra> so feature freeze is more important to me :)
[05:28] <\sh> ogra: grr...I wanted to push pkern a bit :)
[05:28] <pkern> ogra: When is feature freeze? (:
[05:29] <ogra> end of feb ...
[05:29] <pkern> Fine.
[05:29] <Kamion> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[05:29] <pkern> ogra: And please keep up the good work. I even use Edubuntu as my favourite desktop distribution (=
[05:29] <ogra> YAY !!!!
[05:29] <ogra> thast cool to hear :)
[05:30] <pkern> ogra: And it's not only the artwork... ;)
[05:30] <ogra> heh, thanks ...
[05:30] <ogra> there is a lot of controversal discussion about the artwork ...
[05:31] <pkern> Hehe.
[05:31] <ogra> if all goes fine we'll get gobby in the default install next release ;) (but i bet you read your blog comments)
[05:32] <\sh> pkern: to answer your question..no snow but a lot of rain...rifood
[05:32] <zyga> hi guys
[05:32] <zyga> any python module for easy handling of short binary messages?
[05:33] <pkern> ogra: Sure I did.
[05:33] <\sh> and please never type a sentence when the pizza cab is coming
[05:33] <pkern> ogra: It's just one weird bug left before we could release 0.3.0.
[05:33] <zyga> things with methods like push/pop_bigendian/littleendian_8/16/32
[05:33] <ogra> pkern, great, i guess you'll solve it before jan 19th ;)
[05:33] <pkern> ogra: A big showstopper concerning encodings and special characters. ):
[05:33] <pkern> ogra: Yep.
[05:34] <pkern> ogra: Well, there are the winter holidays in between!
[05:34] <ogra> heh, yes
[05:34] <pkern> ogra: Perhaps we get Gobby 0.4.0 with TLS encryption done by that date... *cough&
[05:34] <ogra> 0.3.0 would suffice for me, but 0.4.0 would be cooler indeed ...
[05:35] <pkern> Because the GNOME people complained about that when they discussed the inclusion into GNOME. They won't do it, though. Rather by obby plugins into other applications than by including Gobby itself.
[05:35] <\sh> pkern: only because of a missing tls feature?
[05:35] <pkern> \sh: Nope.
[05:35] <pkern> \sh: Because two editors are bad, etc.
[05:36] <pkern> \sh: gedit and gobby... doesn't look like "integration"
[05:36] <\sh> pkern: hmm..but I don't see any collaborative editing functions in gedit
[05:36] <pkern> TLS is a low-level problem anyway (net6), so possible plugins would also receive it.
[05:37] <pkern> \sh: Yes. We looked at it when we started Gobby, but the plugin architecture didn't seem advanced enough for the task. It was easier to reinvent the wheel. |:
[05:37] <pkern> \sh: I'm still not glad about the problem, that we need to implement every single editor feature which is not covered by GtkSourceView.
[05:38] <ogra> how about a libGtkEdit ?
[05:39] <\sh> pkern: well...kde...this is...kde...really a ...kde... problem ... kde
[05:39] <pkern> ogra: Probably more features should be added to GtkSourceView instead ;)
[05:39] <pkern> \sh: Did you say anything about...kde...? ;)
[05:39] <ogra> or that :)
[05:40] <\sh> pkern: I? never...where ...kde...did you see...kde...kde?
[05:40] <\sh> hehe
[05:40] <pkern> \sh" Heh
[05:41] <\sh> pkern: serious...I would be cool to see gobby even as kobby
[05:41] <\sh> s/I/It/
[05:41] <ogra> \sh, port it ;)
[05:42] <\sh> ogra: I would...but I need some "gnome main uploads" you remember?
[05:42] <pkern> We first considered Qt because it's portable to OSX, but there was no free Windows port at that time and the lead developer didn't like the naming conventions. (: (And apart of that it lacked a serious editor widget.)
[05:42] <ogra> yup :=)
[05:42] <pkern> A question: Should one register products or projects in Launchpad?
[05:42] <ogra> products
[05:42] <\sh> pkern: what is wrong with kates ?
[05:43] <pkern> \sh: There's MateEdit, a collab editor?
[05:43] <\sh> pkern: or qscintilla?
[05:43] <\sh> pkern: yes..but not compatible to gobby...
[05:43] <\sh> I think
[05:43] <pkern> I registered net6, obby and gobby as products, but that was wrong I think. At one time in Launchpad (I can't really remember) I was asked to specify a project instead.
[05:43] <ogra> hmm
[05:43] <pkern> As those projects are really developed outside of Ubuntu.
[05:44] <ogra> #launchpad could tell i gess
[05:44] <pkern> \sh: I did try qscintilla... It was a mess.
[05:44] <pkern> k
[05:44] <pkern> \sh: It needs to emit correct signals for insertion and deletions... and it was... quite... unusable.
[05:45] <\sh> pkern: hmm...but what about improving QTextEdit then
[05:45] <pkern> \sh: Others are invited to do that. That's why obby is a library (=
[05:46] <\sh> pkern: pythonbindings to obby?
[05:47] <pkern> Python would be reasonably easy, other languages not because there aren't yet any C bindings.
[06:33] <Kamion> s'pose I should do a few seed merges too
[06:50] <Vebzku> Hi
[06:50] <Vebzku> Can someone help?
[06:51] <Kamion> Vebzku: it's normally more effective to ask the question first - people have different kinds of expertise
[06:51] <Vebzku> ^^ok
[06:52] <Vebzku> umm..weit a sec. i'm bad english
[06:55] <Vebzku> umm...when i try do internet accres whit DHCP its do some error
[06:55] <Vebzku> and when i'm in ubuntu. i can be 15min and then X cursor come and my Screen go black.
[06:56] <Kamion> ok, sorry, this isn't a support channel (even if #ubuntu couldn't answer - but if you haven't tried there, try #ubuntu first)
[06:57] <Vebzku> ok
[06:57] <Vebzku> sory
[06:57] <Kamion> failing that, try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or, if you prefer, the forums or a launchpad.net support request
[07:13] <ogra> hey sabdfl
[07:16] <ogra> sabdfl, had a edubuntu workshop and talk yesterday, lots of interest :) http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/d/3448-2/P1000213.JPG , http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/d/3451-2/P1000214.JPG ...
[07:16] <sabdfl> hiya
[07:16] <sabdfl> nice, ogra!
[07:16] <sabdfl> am snowboarding with mdz in colorado
[07:17] <ogra> cool, enjy the wather :) visiting lamont ?
[07:17] <ogra> *enjo
[07:17] <ogra> grr
[07:17] <ogra> enjoy indeed
[07:17] <sabdfl> ogra: sort of :-)
[08:02] <slomo> BenC: the bcm43xx driver is now "usable"... you can scan, assign channel/essid and transfer data ;)
[08:05] <zyga> guys, how do I do unsigned math in python?
[08:05] <zyga> I need to minick 32bit C code
[08:05] <zyga> s/minick/mimick/
[08:17] <siretart> elmo: please sync ldaptor from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes
[10:24] <firefly2442> anyone know if there will be an update for the gam_server 100% CPU issue?
[11:46] <kbrooks> Hey
[11:47] <kbrooks> i have a big compliant trhat should be addressed immediately
[11:47] <kbrooks> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.400-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 504 kB, Installed size: 3212 kB
[11:47] <kbrooks> This should be moved to universe and also updated
[11:48] <kbrooks> to 1.4.2
[11:48] <kbrooks> zsnes is licensed under the GNU GPL
[11:48] <kbrooks> i checked
[11:49] <ajmitch> and.. why should this be done immediately?
[11:56] <mantiena> doko, hi are you near the computer ? I have few question about OpenOffice.org plans in Ubuntu


[00:48] <jwash> i'm looking for a way to add workspaces other than the workspace switcher. mine doesn't have the option to add workspaces.
[02:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: d'oh
[02:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok I'll update that on our roadmap page too (I previously marked it as don)
[02:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: btw, still having jabber problems? I assumed you were just off-line or afk
[02:18] <highvoltage> jwash: are you using compiz?
[17:06] <jwash> highvoltage: nope, i need the cfg file entry
[21:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: edubuntu-live is back in main
[23:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: pushed a new edubuntu-live and edubuntu-artwork. Setting unity as the default (3d + 2d depending on hardware) and offering fallback as an installer option.
[23:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: on upgrade systems will keep whatever they have set in gdm and transition based on upstream code (so upgrade will need testing ...)
[23:34] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'm not yet sure of whether we should have them upgrade to unity or upgrade to the fallback session when coming from natty
[23:34] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'm quite tempted to have them upgrade to fallback in that case as it'd give them a similar desktop. At the same time it'd be inconsistent with a default edubuntu 11.10 install...


[02:38] <Linux_Guy> looks like i missed the "party" :)
[03:20] <Linux_Guy> arkansas.. nw arkansas here :)


[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[13:58] <Sutter> HI!people!:D
[13:58] <loctauxphilippe> Hello!
[13:58] <mhall119> hello everyone, getting the hangout setup and everyone invited, we'll be starting shortly
[13:58] <loctauxphilippe> Ok!
[13:59] <loctauxphilippe> Could you tell us what's happening, because in France I have a bad connection... ;-(
[14:01] <Sutter> I am italian and I hope to understand you...you talk slowly ;)
[14:02] <olli> hi folks
[14:03] <loctauxphilippe> Fortunately, everyone learn English at school :-)
[14:04] <Ahmet_> I'm waiting for about 10 minutes
[14:04] <olli> we just went on airt
[14:04] <olli> air
[14:05] <Ahmet_> when is it starting ?
[14:05] <Ahmet_> okey (;,
[14:05] <omarmx87> hiiii
[14:07] <willcooke> hi folks, go easy on me
[14:07] <nik90> :)
[14:08] <mhall119> ask questions anytime here, start with QUESTION so I don't miss it
[14:09] <loctauxphilippe> Ok ! How to publish an app on Launchpad ? (Yep I don't konw how to do that!)
[14:09] <nik90> QUESTION: Does the payments also include support for in-app purchases?
[14:09] <loctauxphilippe> QUESTION! How to publish an app on Launchpad ? (Yep I don't konw how to do that!)
[14:09] <willcooke> loctauxphilippe, this might be a good start: http://askubuntu.com/questions/71510/how-do-i-create-a-ppa
[14:10] <loctauxphilippe> willcooke, Thanks!
[14:11] <willcooke> loctauxphilippe, http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/
[14:11] <loctauxphilippe> Thanks!
[14:12] <Markcortbass> QUESTION: Could we expect an announcment soon in the future of an Ubuntu Phone (BQ, Meizu)? I think that many people really want to buy a ubuntu phone
[14:12] <loctauxphilippe> Ok! Thanks mhall119 ! I will check out!
[14:12] <loctauxphilippe> Markcortbass, Yep!
[14:17] <nik90> QUESTION: When can we expect SDK APIs for with regards to adding quicklist items, launcher count emblems similar to on the desktop?
[14:17] <Markcortbass> Thanks for the answer Rick!
[14:17] <mhall119> rick?
[14:18] <Markcortbass> Haha :p Was thinking about Rick Spencer
[14:19] <Markcortbass> Anyway, thanks Michael Hall!
[14:19] <olli> kgunn, ^can you check on nik90's question re SDK api re quicklist items
[14:20] <nik90> olli, mhall119: thnx
[14:21] <loctauxphilippe> Everytime, mhall119 has a question for someone! I like that!
[14:23] <kgunn> olli: nik90 checking
[14:23] <olli> kgunn, thx!
[14:25] <nik90> QUESTION: @olli, Is there any exciting new features you are expecting to land on the phone before RTM?
[14:25] <willcooke> Now I know what xdg-utils is \o/
[14:26] <willcooke> https://launchpad.net/xdg-utils
[14:27] <Shwaka> How will this next update change the future of Ubuntu TV?
[14:27] <nik90> cool! Looking forward to the dash overview :)
[14:29] <loctauxphilippe> QUESTION : Why there's a daily live of Utopic?
[14:30] <willcooke> Shwaka, Ubuntu TV will benefit hugely from things like the media playback/gst/audio/power usage/footprint/speed/etc etc work.
[14:30] <mhall119> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/planning-the-next-ubuntu-online-summit/1805
[14:30] <willcooke> Shwaka, TV hardware is very similar to phone hardware.  And Ubuntu will be able to run really well on that hardware because of the work going on for phone
[14:32] <nik90> thnx for the session guys
[14:33] <loctauxphilippe> QUESTION : Why there's a daily live of Utopic?
[14:33] <mhall119> loctauxphilippe: sorry, missed yours, are you looking for an ISO or news?
[14:34] <loctauxphilippe> for an ISO , mhall119
[14:34] <mhall119> loctauxphilippe: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[14:34] <mhall119> oh, why?
[14:34] <loctauxphilippe> mhall119, But why every day?
[14:34] <mhall119> we always provide daily images
[14:35] <mhall119> it's just part of the automated process
[14:35] <loctauxphilippe> Oh, allright!
[14:35] <loctauxphilippe> mhall119, Thanks!
[14:55] <mark___> i cannot control my brightness i ubuntu 14.04
[14:56] <kgunn> nik90: sorry, i was unable to get anyone from the sdk team to answer on the launcher quicklist/counter emblem question
[14:56] <nik90> kgunn: no worries :)
[14:56] <kgunn> nik90: i manage the unity ui guys...we do have counter support, but quicklists is something we've started but not fully fleshed out
[14:57] <kgunn> of course, then the sdk guys would need to provide some guidance or i/f on top of what we do
[14:57] <nik90> kgunn: also even if the unity API provides support for them, as mhall119 pointed out the app lifecycle first needs to be fully fleshed since background apps cannot update launcher count or quicklist for that matter.
[14:58] <nik90> kgunn: so I presume this would be most likely post RTM
[14:59] <kgunn> nik90: yep, safe bet on it being post rtm :)
[17:13] <ali_> hi all
[19:31] <lulesu> '
[19:31] <lulesu> sudo su
[19:32] <lulesu> systeminfo()
[19:37] <lulesu> kgunn_