[01:20] <mhall119> gerlowskija: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/cpp/sdk-15.04/ is the correct link for that
[01:21] <gerlowskija> Thanks mhall119, is there any way I can help update the links on the golang.org documentation so they point a legit pages?
[01:22] <gerlowskija> (e.g. https://godoc.org/launchpad.net/go-unityscopes/v2#NewPreviewWidget)
[01:23] <gerlowskija> (There's a few broken links that have corresponding SDK doc pages, and could probably be updated.  Though maybe there's a reason they're not linked up)
[01:26] <mhall119> gerlowskija: I'm not sure who manages those, but I'm sure there's a way you can help fix them if we find someone who can tell us how
[01:32] <mhall119> gerlowskija: I'm guessing it comes from https://launchpad.net/go-unityscopes
[01:33] <mhall119> maybe tedg can help you contribute
[01:33] <mhall119> I'd recommend cwayne, but he's on holiday for a while
[01:36] <mhall119> gerlowskija: yeah, looks like it's here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/go-unityscopes/v2/view/head:/previewwidget.go
[01:37] <mhall119> so you should be able to make a merge proposal against that project to correct the inline docs
[03:34] <tedg> mhall119: Someone on the scopes team would be best, jamesh or alecu would be good contacts there.
[03:49] <alecu> gerlowskija: thanks for letting us know about those broken links and outdated docs
[03:49] <alecu> I'll make sure we find the right person to fix it
[03:51] <mhall119> alecu: if you see him/her online again, you've got an offer to get it fixed already :)
[03:51] <mhall119> just need to know where and how
[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[13:40] <mhall119> bzoltan_: do we ship QtQuick.Controls as part of the base image yet? If not, do we have any plans to do so?
[13:43] <bzoltan_> mhall119: the QtQuick Controls are provided by the qml-module-qtquick-controls  qtdeclarative5-controls-plugin packages and no, they are not on the default image
[13:44] <bzoltan_> mhall119: I would not recommend to include them to the phone image
[13:44] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  the quick controls are very much about desktops
[13:51] <mhall119> bzoltan_: they would be useful when our phones are powering desktops
[13:51] <mhall119> but I understand the reasons
[14:12] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  it does not take more then adding it to the seeds. But the apps using quick controls would surelly look funny on a high dpi small screen :)
[18:15] <mcphail> Is the SDK PPA ready for wily?
[18:20] <mcphail> I can't quite work out from the launchpad page whether wily builds are up and running...
[19:29] <mcphail> Sorry to repeat, but does anyone know if it is safe to install the SDK PPA on wily?
[19:31] <ahoneybun> mcphail: you don't need the ppa
[19:31] <ahoneybun> only was for 14.04 / trusty
[19:31] <ahoneybun> 14.10 forward has the sdk in the repos but 14.10 hit EOL
[19:31] <mcphail> ahoneybun: Aah. OK. I was using it on vivid (I think...) :)
[19:32] <ahoneybun> yea with vivid your good
[19:32] <ahoneybun> the ubuntuphone is still based on 15.04 anyway
[19:33] <mcphail> ahoneybun: so I can just apt-get install ubuntu-sdk on wily and everything will work?
[19:33] <ahoneybun> yep
[19:33] <ahoneybun> if you just want to install it on a phone you can just install ubuntu-device-flash
[19:33] <ahoneybun> but if you want to develop as well the ubuntu-sdk is what you need
[19:33] <mcphail> yep. Cheers
[19:34] <ahoneybun> np
[20:58] <mcphail> Aargh. This is so frustrating. I installed the Ubuntu-SDK, and now mediascanner is melting my CPU. Is there any way to stop it?
[21:01] <mcphail> Even when "idle", it is consuming 10% of CPU, but it keeps cranking up to 150%
[21:02] <mcphail> This must be a bug. Nothing else on my system is hogging resources to that extent
[21:15] <mcphail> OK, I've found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediascanner2/+bug/1398614 . This is really broken
[21:15] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1398614 in mediascanner2 (Ubuntu) "mediascanner-service-2.0 using large amounts of CPU" [High,Confirmed]
[21:54] <ahayzen> mcphail, it is probably just trying to scan your media directories... you can prevent the process from respawning by editing this file /usr/share/upstart/sessions/mediascanner-2.0.conf
[21:55] <ahayzen> mcphail, IIRC you can put a .nomedia file (or something similar) in any folders you want it to skip, ie external media
[22:15] <mcphail> ahayzen: it has had hours to scan them, but still keeps spiking. I'll need to uninstall
[22:16] <ahayzen> mcphail, have a look at the log, sometimes if it hits a bad file format/metadata it wasn't expect it'll keep looping
[22:16] <ahayzen> *expecting
[22:16] <mcphail> ahayzen: where's the log?
[22:17] <ahayzen> mcphail, on the phone its in ~/.cache/upstart/mediascanner-2.0.log or something like that..so assume similar on the desktop
[22:18] <mcphail> ahayzen: yes, log is there: all 819150 lines of it...
[22:18] <ahayzen> haha grep it for like error or something
[22:19] <ahayzen> bet it is looping
[22:20] <mcphail> Lots of errors on .xcf files, but not sure there is any looping...
[22:21] <ahayzen> maybe worth just reading the last part of the file with $ tail -n NUMBEROFLINES ... or just renaming the file and letting it generate a new one
[22:22] <mcphail> But an 800000 line log file for an package which was only installed 2 hours ago is extreme, to say the least
[22:23] <mcphail> 55 megabytes. Seriously?
[22:23]  * ahayzen hides
[22:23] <mcphail> ha!
[22:23] <ahayzen> yeah its scary what it does :-/
[22:23]  * ahayzen has the service disabled and manually runs when required
[22:24] <ahayzen> its a pretty big worry for when we start converging tbh
[22:24] <mcphail> Unfortunately I can't uninstall without breaking the SDK
[22:25] <ahayzen> just disable the service
[22:25] <mcphail> OK, will try
[22:25] <ahayzen> mcphail, make the file look like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12784565/
[22:26] <ahayzen> then just do the $ stop mediascanner-2.0 or use killall
[22:27] <ahayzen> mcphail, but whatever is causing it to loop and go mental should really be investigated and reported :-)
[22:28] <mcphail> ahayzen: at least I now have an email address for my hitlist... :)
[22:28] <ahayzen> mcphail, pahah
[22:29] <mcphail> OK, that seems to have worked. All's quiet on the mediascanner front for now
[22:29] <mcphail> Cheers
[22:30] <ahayzen> mcphail, no problem, and if it managed to scan enough most mediascanner things still work, eg i work on the  music-app with my service disabled :-) (just don't get new files until i rerun it)
[22:30] <mcphail> ahayzen: I think that, in itself, is a sad indictment of the package
[22:31] <ahayzen> mcphail, yeah it is really not in a good state when you have 50+ GB of music and like 25+ of photos/videos for it to scan
[22:31] <mcphail> I'll try and trawl through the logs to see if there are any clues to the badness
[22:32] <ahayzen> thanks
[22:32] <mcphail> I do worry, though, that it is just not very efficient
[22:33] <ahayzen> from my analysis it seems to commit to its db between indexing every file, i feel it would speed it up if the commit was batched
[22:33] <ahayzen> you can see the sqlite tmp lock file being create/destroyed rapidly as it is indexing
[22:33] <mcphail> oh dear. that is bad
[22:34] <ahayzen> yup
[22:34] <mcphail> Presumably (if it uses > 100% CPU) it is threaded as well, so all those locks are going to be blocking something
[22:35] <ahayzen> isn't sqlite not good with concurrency ?!
[22:36] <mcphail> Ha! sqlite is a nightmare, isn;t it?
[22:36] <ahayzen> :-)
[22:38] <mcphail> I agree. It should only dommit every few seconds. RAM isn't going to be exhausted as it caches for a moment
[22:38] <mcphail> *commit
[22:38] <ahayzen> i'm pretty sure that is what is happening anyway, things may have changed when i last tried to investigate
[22:41] <mcphail> I'm not a developer, but I have hacked a fair bit of code on thesilversearcher (a grep-like program) and you can cache a lot of search results if you do it efficiently
[22:43] <ahayzen> yeah it should be simple todo if this is what it causing the slowdown
[22:48] <mcphail> ahayzen: do you know the correct person(s) to poke about this?
[22:49] <ahayzen> mcphail, jamesh ;-)
[22:49] <mcphail> does he IRC? I don't recognise the nick
[22:49] <ahayzen> mcphail, he is a AU timezone, so usually appears a different times to us EU/US folks
[22:50] <ahayzen> mcphail, oh he is in #ubuntu-touch you could try there, but i've found he is more responsive to emails
[22:50] <mcphail> OK, i'll email him. Cheers - off to bed now
[22:50] <ahayzen> :-)


[07:03] <fta2> doh! what's wrong with the last kernel & nvidia?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> yay easy fix (i like thoose this early in morning :)
[12:13] <gnomefreak> i finally got to know OO.o and than they rip it out from under me
[12:37] <gnomefreak> well libreoffice seems to work :)
[12:48] <alessandro_> hey everybody
[15:47] <micahg> debfx: would you happen to have time to propose a merge to rebase the kde patches in firefox-trunk?
[16:36] <rbz> question I'm trying to build for armel fx4 from the ppa daily (against source pulled with get-orig-source and FIREFOX_4_0b8_RELEASE)
[16:36] <rbz> and I'm getting a build error on:
[16:36] <rbz> gcc -o now.o -c -g /tmp/buildd/firefox-4.0-4.0~b8+nobinonly/build-tree/mozilla/nsprpub/config/now.c
[16:37] <rbz>  /tmp/buildd/firefox-4.0-4.0~b8+nobinonly/build-tree/mozilla/nsprpub/config/now.c:46:2: error: #error "Architecture not supported"
[16:38] <rbz> note that a lot of flags are missing on that gcc line; if I then manually rebuild that
[16:38] <rbz> with
[16:39] <rbz> if build inside cowbuilder --login and manually build it still fails
[16:39] <rbz> but if I then cd into nsprpub; and do
[16:39] <rbz>  /usr/bin/make -C config export
[16:39] <rbz> the second time; it works?
[16:40] <rbz> something seems messed up with autoconf/automake or something
[16:40] <rbz> has anyone seen this?
[16:51] <debfx> micahg: based on the firefox-4.0 package from the daily ppa?
[16:52] <rbz1> yes based on that (moved to rbz1 ; coudn't find my nick pw for rbz)
[16:54] <rbz1> I looked at debian/patches/bzXXX_libxul_sdk_nspr.patch
[16:55] <rbz1> that patch simply seems to add an additional check; and the build is doing the "Hack"
[16:56] <rbz1> if I do a mozilla vanilla build of source (no ubuntu patches) the build proceeds fine fx4 runs
[16:57] <rbz1> vanillia build == make -f client.mk with a .mozconfig file
[18:45] <micahg> debfx: yes, please
[21:04] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[21:05] <micahg> I let the swt-gtk thing go just so it won't FTBFS, I knew it needed to be ported, but figured this would be ok for the moment
[21:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's ok
[21:06] <chrisccoulson> it would be good if somebody else fixed it though ;)
[21:06] <chrisccoulson> we should try and encourage that
[21:06] <micahg> indeed :)
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> isn't it used by eclipse?
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> perhaps bdrung would like to have a go ;)
[21:07] <micahg> I think eclipse has its own copy now
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> ah, o
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> k
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> oops
[22:24] <BUGabundo> yoooo
[22:31] <kaddi> hi :) How do I get thunderbird to open links in firefox under kubuntu? firefox is set as default browser in kde and I changed network.protocol-handler.app.http to /usr/bin/firefox
[22:31] <kaddi> kubuntu 10.10 and kde 4.5.1
[22:34] <gnomefreak> the kubuntu-firefox-installer? i cant recall if that was the fix or not
[22:35]  * gnomefreak uninstalled kubuntu before i had a chance to play with tb and ff
[22:35] <kaddi> gnomefreak: there's a package for firefox but not for htunderbird to make it work with kde settings afaik
[22:36] <gnomefreak> not sure than. i just lost all my damn panels
[23:01] <kaddi> hi :) How do I get thunderbird to open links in firefox under kubuntu? firefox is set as default browser in kde and I changed network.protocol-handler.app.http to /usr/bin/firefox
[23:11] <kaddi> ok, so i uninstalled konqueror and now it's opening the links in opera >.< Any help?
[23:19] <kaddi> fixed it sudo update-alternatives --verbose --config x-www-browser
[23:53] <fta> BUGabundo, hey
[23:53] <BUGabundo> ola fta
[23:54] <fta> BUGabundo, do you know if it's possible to change the lang of swype without changing the keyboard layout?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> ofc
[23:54] <BUGabundo> tap Q
[23:54] <BUGabundo> it should pop up, asking lang
[23:54] <fta> no, that changes the layout
[23:55] <fta> in fr, my layout is AZERTY, i want to switch to us but not with a QWERTY keyboard
[23:55] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[23:55] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:55] <BUGabundo> talk to them
[23:56] <BUGabundo> let me see if there's a representative of them around irc


[16:33] <ducasse> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17863531/
[16:33] <ikonia> I can understand the dri3 one, just odd that tearfee isn't meantioned in the intel module docs
[16:33] <ikonia> give them a try, can't make it worse
[16:33] <dylan__> I'm trying, but I can't find the config in etc/X11/
[16:34] <dylan__> Do I have to manually make that?
[16:34] <ikonia> dylan__: yes,
[16:34] <ikonia> dylan__: later versions don't use the config unless you use it
[16:34] <ikonia> create it
[16:34] <dylan__> Alright.
[16:38] <sydney_untangle> Quick question all, so every time i resume from suspend my caps lock is enabled. Oddest thing. Do you guys know of any good workarounds?
[16:40] <wuseman> sydney_untangle: did you have a kernel panic recently?
[16:41] <sydney_untangle> wuseman: I believe that is what is happening when i try to turn my computer back on after it tries to shut down when my battery is almost dead.
[16:42] <dylan__> ikonia: Made the file, now what do I do? Restart, I assume?
[16:42] <sydney_untangle> I told it in the power settings to power down, but it seems to be trying to hibernate instead.
[16:42] <wuseman> sydney_untangle: yeah thats correct.
[16:42] <ducasse> dylan__: restart lightdm
[16:43] <sydney_untangle> wuseman: But what do i do about it, thats my question.
[16:43] <ikonia> dylan__: just reboot if you want to be quick and simple with it
[16:43] <abhishek> how can I update nano, I am stuck at 2.5, there is 2.7 release. apt upgrade does upgrade it.
[16:43] <sydney_untangle> Sorry to put it so bluntly, but ive been trying to solve this all day.
[16:43] <abhishek> I meant does NOT upgrade it.
[16:44] <wuseman> sydney_untangle: have you try to change the battery setting 'When power is critically low' to shutdown instead hibernate?
[16:44] <dylan__> ikonia: is this correct? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17864116/ or do I need to add the Identifier & driver flags?
[16:44] <ikonia> dylan__: should be enough
[16:44] <ducasse> abhishek: the version in 16.04 is 2.5.3-2
[16:45] <dylan__> Alright, restarting. Will be back in a sec.
[16:45] <abhishek> ducasse, how can I update?
[16:45] <mrinal> hello all
[16:45] <abhishek> upgrade I mean. :)
[16:45] <sydney_untangle> wuseman: That is what it is set to, but it doesn't shut down fully. It seems to go into some sort of hibernate, yet my power light flashes like it is in standby.
[16:46] <wuseman> Alright sydney_untangle
[16:46] <abhishek> ducasse, There is 2.6 stable release. I think 2.7 also. sudo apt update doesn't find the new version why/
[16:46] <wuseman> sydney_untangle: Give me the output from your grub file: 'cat /etc/default/grub | grep GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT'
[16:47] <mrinal> how can i determine how many cores my processor has with bash
[16:47] <ducasse> abhishek: that is the latest supported version in ubuntu. the usual recommendation is to stick with the official packages.
[16:47] <ducasse> !latest | abhishek
[16:47] <wuseman> whats the text inside "" in that line?
[16:47] <bekks> wuseman: use this instead: grep GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT /etc/default/grub
[16:47] <SchrodingersScat> mrinal: cat /proc/cpuinfo #?
[16:48] <wuseman> bekks: ya thats pretty same just another way to type it :P
[16:48] <bekks> wuseman: Thats a totally different way. It is not a useless use of cat. :)
[16:49] <wuseman> Output will be same, try.
[16:49] <sydney_untangle> wuseman: "quiet splash"
[16:49] <SchrodingersScat> mrinal: and if that's too much info, maybe cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor  #and then you can just see how many it recognizes.
[16:49] <abhishek> ducasse, thanks
[16:49] <SchrodingersScat> mrinal: or "cpu cores"
[16:49] <bekks> wuseman: The output isnt the issue at that point. Avoiding useless usage of applications is. :)
[16:50] <abhishek> Any suggestions on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1588428
[16:51] <sydney_untangle> Ok, so caps lock is not on when resuming from suspend, just the caps lock light is.
[16:51] <sydney_untangle> But i need it to shut down, not do some sort of deep suspend.
[16:51] <dylan__> ikonia: I think that did more bad than it did good
[16:52] <wuseman> sydney_untangle: okey thats fine, have you tried to edit the hibernating setting to 0 in laptop-mode-tools?
[16:52] <dylan__> After the first restart, I got the error saying that I was running in low graphic mode, I believe
[16:52] <dylan__> I ignored it and it booted to desktop, after that Ubuntu had a system error
[16:52] <dylan__> Restart again, everything appears to be fine now
[16:52] <abhishek> how can I draw to attention to a bug, there is bounty system like on stack for bugs.launchpad?
[16:52] <wuseman> ENABLE_AUTO_HIBERNATION=1 < try edit this to 0 and see if it will listen on your other setting so it poweroff instead
[16:53] <dylan__> ikonia: It also didn't appear to fix YouTube
[16:55] <mrinal> cpu cores
[16:55] <mrinal> thanx for the command
[16:56] <abhishek> are bugs discussed here or on devel? :)
[16:57] <mrinal> upon executing i get cpu flush size: 64; cache alignment: 64; address sizes: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual; cpu family: 6; siblings: 4; core id: 2; cpu core: 2
[16:58] <mrinal> how can i optimize ubuntu for fast shutdown
[16:58] <sydney_untangle> wuseman: The hibernate setting is greyed out as it is.
[16:59] <abhishek> any suggestions?
[16:59] <sydney_untangle> hibernate working is a hit or miss thing on this laptop.
[16:59] <mrinal> what files to edit for a fast start-up/shutdown
[17:00] <mrinal> on ubuntu
[17:01] <mrinal> schrodingerscat, are you there ?
[17:12] <Anonaly2> hi
[17:19] <sydney_untangle> Is there any other way i can have a diferent power manager replace unity's power manager?
[17:21] <bekks> sydney_untangle: There arent different "power managers".
[17:30] <abhishek> Stuck at this bug, please help. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1588428
[17:30] <abhishek> In short, I get weird errors on boot, it slows down the startup. It creates infinite logs when I am booted into kde. I can fix the log thing by adding a kernel parameter but the startup is still slow.
[17:36] <MonkeyDust>  abhishek 'weird' is a bit vague, the nature of the errors usually contains the beginning of a solution
[17:58] <yottanami> How can I find my current DNS nameserver
[17:59] <MonkeyDust> yottanami  dig
[17:59] <ate15> salut les gens
[18:00] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[18:00] <ate15> i love you justin bieber
[18:00] <jatt> yottanami: nmcli device show eth0
[18:01] <OerHeks> if the interfacename is eth0 ...
[18:14] <dbz2k> what ppa should I use if I don't want to wait for ubuntu push out firefox stable?
[18:16] <OerHeks> dbz2k, the only ppa with beta 48 is https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-nextbut use at your own risc
[18:20] <MonkeyDust> dbz2k  better tell the channel what's wrong with FF 47
[18:46] <delfindelfin> hello
[18:47] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:54] <lapion> systemd misbehaves quite oftenly when in ubuntu recovery mode
[18:54] <bobbu> Hello all, so im running Xubuntu 16.04, and everything is working ok, except that putting my laptop to sleep and waking it up using the screen is not working. It acts like there is no screen switch. What can i try?
[18:56] <bobbu> Hmm, oh man, it is always seeing the switch as open. Arg.
[19:00] <OerHeks> bobbu, try ctrl alt F2 ( to tty2) and back to tty7 = ctrl alt F7
[19:01] <OerHeks> does it bring the screen up again?
[19:02] <bobbu> OerHeks: No, im refering to the physical screen on my laptop, its aparently not triggering the switch to tell when the lid is open or shut.
[19:02] <bobbu> Thats what i was meaning.
[19:02] <OerHeks> oh oke, no clue about that
[19:03] <Netwolf> Linux med.edu.ky 4.6.0-pf1-hardened-kernel+ #1 SMP Sat Jun 25 13:15:38 EDT 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:04] <OerHeks> Netwolf, sounds like no ubuntu / mainline kernel
[19:04] <mrdunno> can u say me
[19:05] <Netwolf> OerHeks: no, its this one https://pf.natalenko.name/
[19:05] <mrdunno> elementary is too supported by ubuntu?
[19:05] <Netwolf> OerHeks: I pulled it off github and recompiled it
[19:05] <Netwolf> OerHeks: sooooo much faster than stock
[19:05] <OerHeks> Netwolf,  good for you, not supported here.
[19:05] <Netwolf> i didnt ask for support
[19:05] <OerHeks> the name is the same as the gentoo kernel
[19:05] <Netwolf> are u a low level kernel developer
[19:06] <Netwolf> offering support for mainline on irc?
[19:06] <OerHeks> Netwolf, please don't bother us with that, this is ubuntu support only.
[19:07] <Netwolf> er bother with what.  I never asked for support and to be honest, I am probabaly a lot more educated than you when it comes to kernel internal
[19:08] <tgm4883> Ok now, lets stay civil
[19:08] <Netwolf> I simply showed a uname -a on ubuntu xenial
[19:08] <Netwolf> i agree
[19:08] <tgm4883> Netwolf: to be fair, you joined and posted your kernel for zero reason
[19:09] <Netwolf> Ah. My apolgies. I posted it as it compiled it. Dindnt ask for support however.
[19:09] <Netwolf> Do you offer low level kernel support for stock kernels here OerHeks?
[19:10] <ducasse> Netwolf: why post your kernel version if you have no questions about it?
[19:10] <OerHeks> Netwolf, sure, but for zxenial there is no 4.6x AFAIK http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:10] <Netwolf> same reason  people post uptime :)
[19:10] <tgm4883> Netwolf: you're in the support channel, which is why it appears when you posted that you were asking for support
[19:11] <tgm4883> Netwolf: if you want to chat, there is #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss for that
[19:11] <OerHeks> it is all yakkety development
[19:11] <mernoire> hi
[19:12] <mernoire> c'est la mer noire
[19:12] <mernoire> what do you think of mer noire ??
[19:12] <Netwolf> I think we might be getting carried away with symantic and wasting each others times. My aplogies. My uname -a was akin to a uptime show off. It's a custom kernel to improve performance on unbuntu/xenial. I do think perhaps it would be the place to talk about such things. :))
[19:12] <Netwolf> so what is offtopic vs ontopic if you dont even discuss the components of the os?
[19:13] <tgm4883> Netwolf: uptime isn't welcome in this channel either. As I previously mentioned, #ubuntu-discuss is where you probably want to be
[19:13] <MonkeyDust> Netwolf  discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic, this is the support area
[19:13] <tgm4883> Netwolf: on topic for this channel is Ubuntu Support
[19:13] <OerHeks> #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-discuss
[19:13] <Netwolf> OerHeks: Yes, while there is no mainline 4.6 version, the pf-kernel is unique as it adds BFQ support and better performance overall on clouds as well
[19:13] <tgm4883> !ot | mernoire
[19:14] <Netwolf> tgm4883: ah okay
[19:16] <stack_overflow> Have updare
[19:17] <Zren> What do you do when your video drivers crash (screen freezes) and you can't switch to tty1 (game still shows)? Is it because tty1 is video accelerated too?
[19:18] <stack_overflow> Have updated video driver to nvidia proprietary and plymouth looks ugly under 16.04. How can I fix this?
[19:18] <mrdunno> nothing
[19:19] <mrdunno> because nvudia didnt not give drivers
[19:19] <mrdunno> in opensource, I mean
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> mrdunno  yes, there's no love from nvidia, for linux
[19:25] <stack_overflow> Ok. I like booting in text mode as well.
[19:25] <tgm4883> My nvidia drivers beg to differ
[19:25] <mrdunno> hm
[19:25] <mrdunno> stack
[19:25] <mrdunno> can you re-write you question
[19:25] <mrdunno> ?
[19:26] <mrdunno> cause I Lost it
[19:27] <tgm4883> stack_overflow: what do you mean looks ugly?
[19:30] <MonkeyDust> stack_overflow  i had that too, simply wait a few seconds until all that ugliness disappears and your desktop shows up
[19:31] <stack_overflow> tgm4883: no graphic like after the first installation. After i changed to nvidia driver just text ubuntu and some dots under it. Very low resolution.
[19:31] <GreenDay> hello
[19:31] <GreenDay> i run ubuntu
[19:31] <GreenDay> VERSION="15.10 (Wily Werewolf)"
[19:31] <GreenDay> audacity crash
[19:32] <GreenDay> and rhythmbox has toons of bugs
[19:32] <GreenDay> :(
[19:32] <GreenDay> appart from that
[19:32] <GreenDay> it works
[19:32] <nolsen> GreenDay: Upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04
[19:32] <nolsen> 15.10 is about to loose support.
[19:32] <MonkeyDust> !15.10
[19:32] <GreenDay> okay
[19:33] <GreenDay> do you think i must reinstall or upgrade?
[19:33] <GreenDay> basicaly i started from kubuntu
[19:33] <GreenDay> it maybe a good idea to do a fresh install
[19:35] <MonkeyDust> GreenDay  yes, and create a separate /home partition, that's easier for future installs
[19:35] <kekento> hey, when I paste a command on terminal, it executes itself automatically. how to avoid this?
[19:36] <EriC^^> kekento: dont copy the newline with it
[19:36] <kekento> sorry sir, what is "newline"?
[19:37] <EriC^^> make sure not to select the bottom first start when you copy it
[19:37] <kekento> oh I get it, thank you
[19:37] <EriC^^> no problem
[19:38] <bprompt> kekento:      \r\n, the "enter press, character", which is non--printable, and thus not obvious, but if you copy and paste that, the paste will have, the text/command PLUS the enter key, the enter key will mean to bash, "execute now"
[19:39] <GreenDay> MonkeyDust, i have oldschool partitionned with fdisk ;)
[19:40] <MonkeyDust> GreenDay  great, then now you can create a partition, for /home
[19:41] <Echelon_> hi
[19:41] <GreenDay> i have that scheme for 20 years man
[19:42] <MonkeyDust> GreenDay  time to improve things and learn something new
[19:42] <GreenDay> aww
[19:42] <GreenDay> I thought i was good administer enough for linux ;)
[19:43] <akik> bprompt: on linux it's just \n but on windows \r\n
[19:43] <MonkeyDust> GreenDay  'Only shallow people know themselves thoroughly.' - Oscar Wilde
[19:43] <bprompt> ok :)
[19:44] <bprompt> Show me a thoroughly satisfied man - and I will show you a failure.    ~~ Thomas A. Edison ~~
[19:44]  * bprompt ducks
[19:48] <GreenDay> MonkeyDust, what in french please?
[20:05] <jaymeproni> Hello guys! My notebook has atheros like wireless controller, so. Is there any documentation like this format https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee for atheros in ubuntu wiki? I'm having some difficulties for finding it.
[20:05] <Echelon_> hi
[20:05] <bekks> !wifi | jaymeproni
[20:09] <jaymeproni> Thanks a lot. Wireless works fine now :)
[20:10] <tronic> i have a question: Can a computer be hacked while a browser is not even open? I'm asking with regard to virtual machines - they require the internet to be active on the host, which surely nullifies half the point of having a VM?
[20:11] <tronic> Surely the host can be hacked while it is just sat there, doing nothing?
[20:12] <OerHeks> tronic, hypothetical yes.
[20:12] <tronic> uh oh
[20:12] <tronic> Well that's no good is it
[20:12] <OerHeks> but escape from the VM to the host, that is a different story
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> tronic  if you find someone who has hacked your linux, please let us know, sounds very exciting
[20:12] <tronic> nooo i'm not talking about my linux being hacked
[20:12] <tronic> actually, the situation is this: Host = Windows 7
[20:13] <tronic> VM = Linux
[20:13] <monty_hall> I want to install a hdd, but I mount to manual mount it and I want it encrypted
[20:13] <tronic> VM requires internet connection on host, for internet on VM to work
[20:13] <MonkeyDust> tronic  yes
[20:13] <monty_hall> that is, password protected, can this be done?
[20:13] <monty_hall> manual mount/unmount password protected encyrpted drive.
[20:14] <tronic> is there no way to run a VM that runs the wireless modem directly, bypassing the host for internet access?
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> tronic  i guess you should ask that in the vm's channel
[20:14] <tronic> I use Windows for some art software, and would rather not log out, then log into a different partition just for internet
[20:14] <OerHeks> monty_hall, here is a howto for usb sticks, also possible on ext hdd http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/create-secure-usb-drive-ubuntu-linux-unified-key-setup/
[20:15] <tronic> ok
[20:15] <OerHeks> you have the tools already
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> tronic  is it virtulabox or vmware?
[20:15] <tronic> yes, MonkeyDust
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> tronic  the one or the other?
[20:15] <tronic> do i /join #virtualbox ? To be fair, i'd be interested in any VM manufacturer that allowed internet directly from the VM bypassing the host
[20:15] <monty_hall> OerHeks: thanks!
[20:15] <tronic> it's virtualbox
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> tronic  type   /j #vbox
[20:16] <tronic> ok thanks :)
[20:16] <tronic> any other suggestions for manufacturers that allow direct wireless, bypassing host?
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> tronic  it's not as crowded and active as #ubuntu
[20:16] <tronic> apart from virtualbox
[20:17] <tronic> i take it none ...
[20:18] <brutser> hi all, my server is running fine, connecting from a windows client works ok, but now recently i added an ubuntu client - the vpn connection works, but traffic not seem to be forwarded - what could be the reason(s) ?
[20:18] <StRiKa> StRiKa
[20:19] <tronic> i need a VM for Windows as host, all i can think of is VirtualBox and VMWare plus a few lesser entities gotten off Wikipedia, but i don't know if any of them will do what i need - that is, bypass Windows host internet connection and get one of its own instead
[20:19] <brutser> i can ping the vpn server from the ubuntu client once connected, but when open a browser, it still uses the local connection
[20:19] <tronic> ok i'll go now
[20:19] <brutser> openvpn*
[20:19] <StRiKa> hello
[20:20] <SlakViper> tronic, if all you use windows for is the art software, why not run windows in the vm, and make linux your host?
[20:20] <tronic> SlakViper: it's not just art, it's music too, but the thing is, the software is quite demanding
[20:21] <StRiKa> hi guys im new to IRC
[20:21] <MonkeyDust> StRiKa  great, this is ubuntu support
[20:21] <tronic> also, i don't want to go through the  hassle of re-registering all my art software on the VM
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> !studio
[20:22] <StRiKa> how do i find other IRC servers
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> StRiKa  /msg alis list bababa
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> StRiKa  that's for channels, not for servers
[20:23] <StRiKa> sorry im a noob still learning lol
[20:23] <tronic> thanks MonkeyDust i have KXStudio at the moment, it's based on Ubuntu, but the programs i wish to run apart from GIMP are CorelDRAW, and Reason, VirtualDJ, Ableton, etc. etc. none of which have Linux equivalents, and l'm sure they could run in VM but l require snappy performance
[20:24] <MonkeyDust> StRiKa  you already learned something new, then
[20:24] <squinty> StRiKa,  if using Hexchat then  Hexchat -> Network List  (from the drop down menu)
[20:24] <StRiKa> thanks
[20:24] <MonkeyDust> tronic  hope you find a way to accomplish what you want!
[20:24] <SlakViper> tronic, I completely understand.  The only other suggestion I would have for you would be maybe trying a usb network card.  I know vbox and vmware on windows both allow passthrough of usb devices, but not much else from what I understand.
[20:25] <tronic> yes it has just been suggested to me to try a USB modem / mobile broadband.
[20:25] <tronic> also, btw, i am trying to get into Linux music, hence i have KXstudio on a partition
[20:26] <tronic> keep the faith!
[20:31] <monty_hall> OerHeks: Here's a twist
[20:32] <monty_hall> is it possible to create a file? and mount it like it was a dist?
[20:32] <monty_hall> disk?
[20:32] <monty_hall> i guess I could google it :P
[20:32] <monty_hall> nvm
[20:33] <bprompt> monty_hall:   yes
[20:34] <monty_hall> I'm curious
[20:35] <monty_hall> can I create an empty file?
[20:35] <monty_hall> does it have to be in "dd" format?
[20:35] <elichai2> hi
[20:35] <tatertots> hello everyone :P
[20:36] <monty_hall> in fact, could you point me to a web page?
[20:36] <monty_hall> not exactly sure what to google
[20:36] <tatertots> Hi elichai2
[20:36] <elichai2> my /var/log is 17GB so I looked into /var/log/syslog and I found these lines huge amount of times:
[20:36] <bekks> monty_hall: touch yourfile; echo "" > yourfile2; ...
[20:36] <elichai2> http://pastebin.com/HfwVmYWi
[20:36] <SlakViper> monty_hall, touch empty_file; mkfs.ext4 empty_file; mount -t ext4 -o loop /path/to/empty_file /destination     maybe??
[20:36] <elichai2> the weird thing is I don't even have a directory `/home/elichai2/.cache/google-chrome/`
[20:37] <tatertots> elichai2 what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[20:37] <elichai2> 16.04
[20:37] <monty_hall> when I say empty, I don'pt need to image a file.  I know that I can dd a disk image.  but want to start w/ something empty
[20:37] <monty_hall> I would have to assume I'd have to create a file w/ all 0's that's 4GB or so
[20:37] <monty_hall> to be my virtual encrypted disk
[20:37] <bprompt> monty_hall:    yeap, using mkfs  to make the file with an FileSystem, then you can mount it, since it's pretty much just an image file, like an ISO, notice above SlakViper's line
[20:37] <bekks> monty_hall: Did you read what I wrote to you?
[20:38] <elichai2> tatertots, so?
[20:38] <OerHeks> something like this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/667291/create-blank-disk-image-for-file-storage
[20:39] <monty_hall> perfect!
[20:39] <tatertots> elichai2...give me a second to look at your pastbin
[20:40] <wingnut2626> Good day all.  Is there a specific ISO that i need to boot in order to get ubuntu working on a macbook pro 2, 1?
[20:40] <wingnut2626> Every ISO i have found fails to boot properly.
[20:41] <bprompt> wingnut2626:    the PPC ISO 64bits I"d think
[20:41] <bekks> wingnut2626: Which CPU do you use?
[20:41] <wingnut2626> Core 2 Duo
[20:41] <OerHeks> we have a wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook2-1
[20:41] <wingnut2626> 64 bit
[20:41] <bekks> wingnut2626: So the PPC iso will not work for you.
[20:41] <wingnut2626> I have followed the wiki word for word and the images fail to boot
[20:42] <bekks> wingnut2626: so which images did you use so far?
[20:42] <wingnut2626> 15.10, 10.10, 10.4
[20:43] <bekks> wingnut2626: For which platform? 32bit? mac? ppc?
[20:43] <elichai2> tatertots, so? have any clue?
[20:43] <wingnut2626> bekks where can i find these options?
[20:43] <bekks> wingnut2626: On the page linked to you :)
[20:44] <wingnut2626> no dl links for the actual images
[20:44] <bekks> wingnut2626: So which iso files exactly did you use?
[20:44] <tatertots> elichai2 are you running out of free hard disk space ?
[20:45] <elichai2> not really but I need it to move my VM into it
[20:45] <brutser> anyone here with some knowledge about openvpn on ubuntu (as a client) - i try connect to openvpn, it works fine, i can ping the server, but the traffic is not routed through the vpn, just keeps using my local connection ...
[20:45] <wingnut2626> bekks The 64 bit desktop images.  I am sure that is the problem but I dont know where to find the mactel images.
[20:45] <elichai2> only this file (syslog) is 16GB
[20:45] <elichai2> and it's not the first time this happens
[20:45] <bekks> wingnut2626: Those will not work an a Mac. You need the Mac images.
[20:45] <elichai2> (although I don't remember the last times what error was it)
[20:45] <wingnut2626> where do i get em?
[20:46] <bprompt> brutser:    there are quite a few folks at #openvpn, there's also an #openvpn-devel channel
[20:46] <tatertots> elichai2 you need to move your vm from ???? (inform me of source) to (inform me of destination)???
[20:47] <tatertots> in as much detail as possible
[20:47] <elichai2> from My HDD to my SSD(where my ubuntu system is installed)
[20:47] <akik> monty_hall: you can also create a file and treat it as a disk with partitions (losetup, kpartx)
[20:48] <tatertots> elichai2...these two disks are in the same computer correct?.....so from /dev/sdX to /dev/sdX????? can you solve for "X"
[20:49] <elichai2> from /dev/sdb2 to /dev/sda2
[20:50] <tatertots> elichai2 ...would you mind pastbin some information for me please
[20:50] <elichai2> it doesn't really matter the VM shit, I just want to know why my log is full of this weird error
[20:50] <tatertots> elichai2 i want you to run a command and pastbin the output here so i can read it
[20:51] <tatertots> Oh so what's important to you is not moving the VM?...ok i understand
[20:52] <tatertots> when i read "i need to move VM" i thought that was your priority
[20:52] <tatertots> sorry
[20:52] <SolitaryCypher> Is it safe to source /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/uevent into a script?
[20:52] <OerHeks> try clean the chrome config and start the browser again > /home/elichai2/.cache/google-chrome/
[20:52] <tatertots> like if i were to say "i need food and water"
[20:53] <elichai2> OerHeks,  the weird thing is I don't have `google-chrome` dir in `.cache`
[20:53] <tatertots> elichai2 were you aware that "hidden" files/folders begin with "."
[20:53] <elichai2> yeah
[20:53] <tatertots> "hidden"
[20:53] <elichai2> using terminal...
[20:53] <tatertots> ok just making sure
[20:55] <tatertots> that ones all yours OerHeks :P
[20:55] <elichai2> wait
[20:56] <elichai2> wow, I forgot a long time ago I mounted the chrome's cache directory into RAM
[20:57] <elichai2> And I think it just removed the folder I created in /tmp somehow
[20:58] <elichai2> how can I make my system not delete a directory in /tmp?
[20:58] <elichai2> lol
[20:58] <elichai2> I can't believe this was the problem
[20:59] <tatertots> imagine all the other things that you've probably done or copy and pasted from the internet that will negatively impact you in the future
[20:59] <tatertots> @elichai2
[20:59] <OerHeks> This is somehowe confusing, you want a solution against yourself removing a folder?
[20:59] <elichai2> I new what I did it was just a year ago lol
[20:59] <tatertots> yeah lol
[20:59] <elichai2> no, I didn't removed it maybe it gets removed on every boot or only when upgrading a version
[21:00] <elichai2> i'll try to reboot and see if it gets removed
[21:00] <elichai2> is it OK to delete /var/log/syslog?
[21:00] <elichai2> or fill it with /dev/null ?
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> elichai2  this ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/17877506/
[21:00] <lerner> sudo chmod 644 shermore.mkv < I want to change permissions to "walter" not "root". what am I missing?
[21:01] <jamesd> elichai2: better to properly config logrotate and be sure it runs daily
[21:01] <bekks> lerner: chown, not chmod.
[21:01] <dm_comp> lerner: chown walter:walter shermore.mkv
[21:01] <elichai2> MonkeyDust, no file called `default` in /etc/chromium-browser
[21:01] <AEL-H> Hi guys, one of my partitions is having problems mounting, it is telling me the partition is unclean
[21:01] <AEL-H> I am on a dual boot system and it is running NTFS
[21:01] <AEL-H> I access the partition from windows and ubuntu
[21:02] <dm_comp> chown <user>:<group> file
[21:02] <lerner> dm_comp, so I can use either numbers or username:group as you did?
[21:02] <bekks> AEL-H: So start Windows and run a full filesystem check.
[21:02] <elichai2> jamesd, I just need it once, how do i run logrotate?
[21:02] <AEL-H> I don't know if this makes a difference, but I can access the partition from windows just fine
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> elichai2  do   ls /etc/chromium-browser/
[21:03] <elichai2> I know how to use the terminal...
[21:03] <elichai2> I only got there a directory called `customizations`
[21:03] <elichai2> no files
[21:03] <MonkeyDust> elichai2  is the file not there?
[21:03] <MonkeyDust> ok, odd
[21:03] <dm_comp> never tied it with numbers and by numbers you mean UID
[21:03] <jamesd> logrotate -vf /etc/logrotate.conf
[21:03] <dm_comp> tried*
[21:04] <elichai2> thx
[21:04] <OerHeks> better fix your issue, purge and reinstall chrome
[21:05] <elichai2> jamesd, and then `sudo rm syslog.1` :)
[21:06] <jamesd> elichai2: yeah if you own the box that is fine. if you are an employee  security may not take kindly to removing logfiles
[21:07] <elichai2> of course
[21:07] <mhalano> hello everyone,
[21:07] <akik> AEL-H: do you have fast start-up enabled on windows side (power options/system settings) ? it causes that error when mounting it in linux
[21:08] <mhalano> I have a question not so specific about Ubuntu, but I believe someone already done what I want to do.
[21:08] <AEL-H> akik: I ran ntfs fix, and that fixed the issue for one partition
[21:08] <AEL-H> akik: but the windows partition is saying something about hibernation
[21:08] <akik> AEL-H: http://www.howtogeek.com/236807/how-to-mount-your-windows-10-or-8-system-drive-on-linux/
[21:08] <AEL-H> akik: I am not sure about fast start-up it's windows 10
[21:09] <AEL-H> akik: Ah thanks this looks like the issue, my fault for not finding this
[21:09] <elichai2> thank you all
[21:09] <mhalano> The question is: How I create a local proxy for emails usig IMAP? The idea is keep a cache for emails I received so I can access offline but the most important is create a way so I can send emails evens without Internet connection using Thunderbird and whgen I connect the emails levae to the destiny. <EOM>
[21:10] <mhalano> s/whgen/when
[21:10] <mhalano> s/levae/leaves
[21:12] <McLight> I love fight with computer is Ubuntu for me?
[21:12] <MonkeyDust> McLight  try Windows
[21:12] <McLight> True that better fight
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> (joke)
[21:13] <McLight> I joke too
[21:13] <EriC^^> you need a heavy de if you want to do any damage with it
[21:13] <tatertots> computer lives matter
[21:13] <EriC^^> a club or something would be better though
[21:13] <tatertots> i joke too
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> McLight  try to answer mhalano 's question, sounds challenging
[21:14] <mhalano> :D
[21:19] <McLight> That sounds tough
[21:20] <tatertots> mhalano....so tell us where in the process of making this happen you are currently stuck at and any error you may be getting
[21:20] <tatertots> mhalano.....what work have you done so far?
[21:21] <tatertots> are you still in the "dreaming" phase...or the "conceptual" phase?
[21:22] <mhalano> tatertots, Some research without success. I hope someone can indicate what search for. I was looking for email and proxy and I just know Squid is not for that. :(
[21:22] <mhalano> is for personal use, so no worry.
[21:23] <xubuntu> 6
[21:23] <mhalano> tatertots, dreaming phase. I can't find some documentation to think about conceptual.
[21:25] <tatertots> mhalano.....who is your mail with right now?
[21:25] <tatertots> mhalano<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:25] <mhalano> tatertots, Very basic. HGmail. Online.
[21:25] <mhalano> s/HGmail/Gmail
[21:25] <mhalano> The idea is use IMAP with Thunderbird
[21:26] <tatertots> mhalano....i'm familiar with google's "gmail"  :)
[21:26] <mhalano> and do a cache (with IMAP) and keep the send emails until has a connection so I can work offline.
[21:28] <tatertots> mhalano......so you have a gmail account for email yes/no?
[21:29] <mhalano> tatertots, Yes, I have
[21:29] <mhalano> tatertots, And I use online but for a short time I used via IMAP
[21:29] <mhalano> I like IMAP because the instant sync, but a need a cache.
[21:30] <mhalano> So even disconnected I could read some emails.
[21:31] <HackerII> thunderbird with IMAP already compacts and shows dl mail
[21:32] <tatertots> mhalao has acknowledged he's still in dreaming phase or conceptual phase.....i'm going to let him sleep for a few more minutes before i wake him up lol
[21:32] <mhalano> tatertots, what is the problem with my idea?
[21:33] <adrian_1908> hello. I have a netbook with an Intel `Celeron 2955U` and I found some information that suggests this CPU might support OpenGL 4. When I query glxinfo, I get OpenGL 3.3 (Mesa). Is there some driver/setting to support higher versions?
[21:33] <tatertots> mhalano the good news is that you don't need to do anything
[21:33] <HackerII> exactly
[21:33] <HackerII> D`oh!
[21:33] <tatertots> feel free to keep dreaming about doing a bunch of technical stuff if you want
[21:33] <bprompt> mhalano:     I recall using an email client a long while ago, and in the IMAP option, it had the availability to keep a local copy(cache) whilst leaving the mail on the server, and synching as needed
[21:34] <HackerII> ya, thunderbird
[21:34] <tatertots> the good people over at google and gmail have already taken care of any of your email concerns
[21:34] <mhalano> bprompt, I will look that. Thanks. And about the offline sending?
[21:34] <HackerII> exactly tatertots
[21:35] <tatertots> mhalano you can now feel free to browse the net and check out sports scores and stuff now
[21:35] <bprompt> mhalano:    offline sending is easy, all email clients have a deferred sending, you "compose" your message, and click on "send later" or thereabouts option, or just make a "draft" for later sending
[21:35] <mhalano> And supose I use a more minimalist email client like mutt or Alpine?
[21:36] <tatertots> mhalano...again the good folks over at google have you covered....you're in good hands with gmail
[21:36] <bprompt> mhalano:     well, your options are as good as your email cleint
[21:36] <tatertots> you'll be fine
[21:36] <tatertots> let the good folks at google continue to manage your email services as they have been
[21:37] <tatertots> everything is fine
[21:37] <tatertots> there is nothing that you need to do
[21:38] <tatertots> btw guys if i'm ever dreaming......please allow me to sleep a tad bit longer please
[21:38] <HackerII> tatertot lives matter
[21:39] <tatertots> but after 2 minutes of extra sleep ...PLEASE slash me in the face with a bucket of ice cold water
[21:39] <bprompt> tatertots:  you are, and we can't wake you up, because we're in it =P
[21:40] <tatertots> lol
[21:40] <tatertots> mhalano's questions wasn't "challenging" after all LMAO
[21:41] <tatertots> he just needed a cold bucket of water to the face
[21:42] <bekks> tatertots: With or without the bucket? ;)
[21:44] <tatertots> mhalano i have linux dreams too
[21:44] <tatertots> and i have ubuntu problems in my linux dreams
[21:44] <tatertots> maybe yall will help me with my ubuntu problem
[21:45] <tatertots> my problem is i need to open terminal
[21:45] <tatertots> but i can't
[21:45] <bekks> Why not?
[21:45] <In4rtia> Ctrl + Alt + T
[21:45] <tatertots> because my laptop is in the trunk of my car and i don't want to go get it, because it's rather hot outdoors right now
[21:46] <bekks> tatertots: Stop trolling then please.
[21:46] <bprompt> tatertots:     so long you don't forget to press Ctrl-S to save, before you wake up, you'll be ok
[21:46] <HackerII> way to treat your equipment
[21:47] <adrian_1908> ok looks like I'm stuck with OpenGL 3.3 for now, with 4+ still being in the workings. Hadn't expected that, but at least it'll come.
[21:47] <tatertots> @bekks.....fine...i'll stop with this "trolling" you speak of
[21:48] <matthew> ueuue
[21:48] <In4rtia> tatertots We all hope so
[21:48] <matthew> f5ehr
[21:49] <matthew> dktj
[21:52] <kronoks> when will ubuntu EFI installer be fixed to properly install GRUB2 to the /boot partition, without manual intervention via recovery disk?
[21:53] <Guest94282> I want to run my installed system in ram, then copy any differences on shutdown
[21:53] <tatertots> Hi kronoks
[21:53] <Guest80143> how is it
[21:53] <Guest80143> how
[21:53] <Guest80143> how is it
[21:54] <tatertots> kronoks.....are you having issues with EFI?
[21:54] <tatertots> kronoks.....are you against "manual intervention"?
[21:55] <Guest94282> how can i boot from my ssd to ram, then only write back what's changed on shutdown?
[21:57] <kronoks> tatertots: are you aware of the issue whereby the installer does not copy files into proper directories, and only system-d boot does so?
[21:57] <dylan__> Hi. I came here a couple of hours ago complaining about an issue where YouTube videos were incredibly laggy & frames were getting dropped. Someone was kind enough to help me but eventually left. His "diagnosis" was that Xorg was only using my CPU (which was going to 100% when watching a video) and not my video card. I was wondering how I can fix this. Thanks for any help!
[21:57] <Guest94282> dylan__ what is your video card?
[21:57] <tatertots> kronoks....................https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[21:58] <dylan__> Guest94282: It's just Intel Graphics
[21:58] <kronoks> tatertots: insufficient
[21:58] <dylan__> The CPU is an intel celeron n3050
[21:58] <kronoks> dylan__: what is the cpu and gpu?
[21:59] <dylan__> kronoks: It's just Intel HD Graphics
[21:59] <kronoks> dylan__: the n3050 is a recent cpu that can normally play videos without issue. what is the application environment?
[22:00] <dylan__> kronoks: what do you mean by "application enviroment"?
[22:00] <kronoks> dylan__: the operating system and desktop environment.
[22:01] <dylan__> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on a laptop (Ideapad 100S). YouTube could be played in 720p60fps fine on Windows
[22:02] <kronoks> i know that laptop. it's the 11 or 14 inch variant in black and red tone.
[22:02] <tatertots> dylan........what browser are you using to play these laggy youtube videos you speak of???
[22:03] <dylan__> I'm running Chromium.
[22:03] <tatertots> dylan....(A) firefox.........(B) google chrome......(C) Other
[22:04] <tatertots> ah C it is
[22:04] <dylan__> I'm sorry for not supplying all the information, it slipped my mine since I told it before
[22:04] <tatertots> dylan....standby
[22:04] <dylan__> Will do, thanks.
[22:04] <tatertots> dylan...stick with me here and we'll get you fixed up in no time
[22:06] <tatertots> dylan....these laggy youtube videos....are they also laggy when you watch the exact same video in Firefox?  yes/no?
[22:06] <dylan__> Yes.
[22:06] <vm096> how do I foreach an array in bash?
[22:07] <kronoks> dylan__: you could try another desktop environment, in case it's a Unity issue. also, be aware that Windows is more efficient with hardware resources and has better drivers, so that will always be a contributing factor.
[22:07] <dylan__> The lag is different though. In Chromium the video is slowed down it seems, and it lags behind the audio. Then, there's a black cut for one second and the video catches back up to the audio.
[22:07] <dylan__> In firefox it's just a constant lag
[22:07] <tatertots> dylan....these laggy youtuve videos ....are they also laggy when you watch them in "GOOGLE" chrome? yes/no
[22:07] <tgm4883> 0_0
[22:07] <dylan__> In Chromium I also noticed that there's some screen tearing
[22:08] <kronoks> dylan__: is it using flash? or standard HTML5.
[22:08] <dylan__> standard HTML5 kronoks
[22:08] <tgm4883> I don't think I've ever heard that "windows is more efficient"
[22:08] <dylan__> tatertots: I'll install Google Chrome right now
[22:08] <kronoks> as a workaround, try to install flash and force firefox to use that in youtube to test it.
[22:09] <mhalano> bprompt, I will fix my problem and publish on my blog. I just need to write on my blog first.
[22:09] <kronoks> chrome is the same as chromium, except it includes the flash plugin and other codecs.
[22:09] <dylan__> You can't have 60 FPS in Flash though, right?
[22:09] <kronoks> there may also be variations in distributions
[22:10] <dylan__> Whatever, at this point it does not matter. I'm willing to accept any fix that will allow me to watch YT again
[22:10] <edrocks> could lvm encryption cause a disk to keep failing if you are using hardware raid 10? I replaced the physical disk
[22:10] <Pitbeast> Hi All!
[22:10] <tatertots> dylan....let me know when you have an answer to my last question to you :P
[22:10] <dylan__> Alright tatertots, google chrome is installed. Hang on while I switch to that browser
[22:11] <Pitbeast> join #ubuntu-mate
[22:11] <Pitbeast> derp
[22:11] <tatertots> and i will continue my analysis
[22:11] <tatertots> Hello Pitbeast
[22:12] <OerHeks> HD Graphics (Braswell) .. not that powerfull, but should do 720/60 ... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-celeron-n3050&num=1
[22:13] <tatertots> welcome back dylan
[22:13] <tatertots> I hope you have news/info for me ...yes
[22:13] <akik> dylan__: i'm not sure if this is still needed "MOZ_USE_OMTC=1 firefox"
[22:14] <dylan__> tatertots: google chrome does not appear to be able to play the video in 720p 60 fps
[22:14] <sector_0> has anyone experienced any quirks with the r9 290 GPUs on ubuntu?
[22:14] <dylan__> akik: I'm not sure what that does in my case?
[22:14] <akik> dylan__: possible solution to your choppy videos
[22:15] <dylan__> akik: but only for firefox?
[22:15] <bekks> dylan__: That may help for firefox. Just test using Google Chrome on that video for now.
[22:15] <tatertots> dylan.....your problem is actually a very easy fix
[22:15] <tatertots> but you need to stick with it and answer my questions to the best of your ability
[22:15] <dylan__> It is?
[22:15] <dylan__> And I'm trying to do that, tatertots.
[22:16] <tatertots> yes dylan...a very common issue
[22:16] <tatertots> with a very common and easy fix
[22:16] <tatertots> but i must be allowed to complete my analysis to determine if this fix is applicable to you %100
[22:16] <dylan__> Go ahead
[22:17] <tatertots> i'm alredy %99.999999
[22:17] <OerHeks> dri=3?
[22:17] <OerHeks> gee tatertots you make it like a tv soap
[22:18]  * tgm4883 is skeptical
[22:19]  * bekks grabs the telephone being ready to call on that QVC offer :P
[22:19] <dylan__> So tatertots, about that fix :P
[22:19] <OerHeks> whole canonical is reading .. lets go!
[22:20] <tatertots> dylan....answer my last question to you please..........i ask in yes/no form for good reasons
[22:20] <robot> j
[22:20] <dylan__> What was your last question?
[22:20] <dylan__> The last think you typed was "I'm already %99"
[22:21] <dylan__> thing*
[22:21] <Guest50539> hello.
[22:24] <dylan__> tatertots: please, repeat your last question for me so I can answer it
[22:25] <akik> dylan__: he asked whether the videos are choppy in google chrome
[22:25] <dylan__> akik: and I responded that they are
[22:25] <OerHeks> he answered that
[22:25] <tatertots> i'm back dylan
[22:25] <tatertots> had to step away
[22:25] <dylan__> sorry tatertots, I didn't know that. I thought you had grown tired of me :P
[22:26] <tatertots> lemme see if i can bring back the mental image of the flowchart i had in my head for your issue...standby
[22:26] <tatertots> got it
[22:26] <tatertots> are these laggy videos you speak of also laggy in google chrome ?...yes/no?
[22:27] <dylan__> Yes.
[22:28] <tatertots> dylan...what is your hardware specs?
[22:29] <dylan__> Intel celeron n3050, Intel HD Graphics, 2 GB of RAM
[22:29] <tatertots> dylan open google chrome and type this into the address bar please
[22:29] <tatertots> chrome://gpu/
[22:30] <tatertots> I want to see this information please
[22:30] <tatertots> ALL of it
[22:30] <tatertots> oh you'll need to press "ENTER" after you type that into the address bar
[22:30] <igoryonya> Hello, I wanted an advice/suggestion - When I manage a park of dosens computers, I need to backup/restore them. so I came up with the solution, that will just backup the computer specific folders, but all the system folders are located in the separate image, because alll computers are identical - same software packages installed, etc., so I just need to backup per user stuff.
[22:30] <tatertots> i don't care what you use to show me this info..i just want to see it please
[22:31] <igoryonya> I've figured, that If I backup /home, /etc and /var, it would be sufficient. Am I missing some other folder?
[22:31] <igoryonya> Please, advice
[22:31] <dylan__> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17881472/
[22:31] <tgm4883> igoryonya: What are these computers used for?  How are you managing updates and such?
[22:33] <artei> i am from spain
[22:33] <kronoks> artei: are you in spain?
[22:33] <artei> yes
[22:33] <kronoks> artei: is your country safe right now, due to the migration?
[22:33] <igoryonya> tgm4883: but I would need to keep configs (/etc), logs etcetera (/var), personal home folders (/home). I just need to know, if there is anything else (per computer, that needs to be saved)
[22:34] <tgm4883> !ot | artei kronoks
[22:34] <jamesd> ah the rain in spain falls mainly on the Spaniards.
[22:34] <igoryonya> tgm4883: Yes, the same models, so I don't need to keep (/boot, /bin /sbin, etcetera)
[22:34] <tatertots> dylan....analysis almost complete...standby
[22:34] <tgm4883> igoryonya: I'd think those folders are more than enough
[22:34] <igoryonya> tgm4883: but, maybe, I am missing something else, I would need to keep
[22:35] <bekks> igoryonya: Since you are using images to set them up identically, you dont need to backup their config.
[22:35] <igoryonya> tgm4883: I just thought of one more folder to keep :) (/root)
[22:35] <tatertots> dylan....i have a question for you....are you using the intel linux driver for your gpu? yes/no?
[22:35] <tgm4883> igoryonya: I don't think so, what do you change from a default install?
[22:36] <igoryonya> No, I would like to keep configs (saved per computer, so I don't have to reconfigure stuff, like network config, or other per person preferences)
[22:36] <tgm4883> igoryonya: well per person preferences are going to be in /home
[22:37] <tgm4883> igoryonya: how many computers?
[22:38] <tatertots> dylan you will need to make some changes to improve youtube playback
[22:38] <dylan__> Sure, no problem
[22:39] <igoryonya> tgm4883: yes, but network configs, per person specific (system configured) tunnels, per computer system certificates. etc, (I mean, differing systemwide configs). I don't want to reconfigure them from scratch, after restoring the comp. Around 70 Comps.
[22:39] <tatertots> dylan did you see the problems detected section ?
[22:39] <dylan__> Yes, I did. It does not look good
[22:40] <tatertots> I am concerned about some of the things i see there
[22:40] <alive876> hi, i am trying to install erlang on ubuntu, so following directions i downloaded the  xx.deb file, then ran sudo dpkg -i  xx.deb, however i dont have the path set, i dont know where it put this, thanks
[22:41] <tatertots> dylan...are you using the intel linux driver yes or no....i'm guessing no but i hate to make assumtions
[22:41] <tatertots> especially when it comes to matters like this
[22:41] <dylan__> I'm not sure if I am
[22:41] <dylan__> I just did a clean install of Ubuntu 16.04 yesterday
[22:41] <kronoks> tatertots: if he installer ubuntu, then xf86-intel-video is installed by default.
[22:41] <kronoks> tatertots: tell him how to change the acceleration method. that might work.
[22:41] <OerHeks> intel driver is a kernelmodule, as that NUC is intel only, i am sure he does
[22:41] <tatertots> i'm going to say that answer is "no" then...you would remember if you installed it
[22:42] <bekks> The driver is installed by default, so there is nothing to remember.
[22:42] <tatertots> dylan enable hardware acceleration and play your videos and report back if you notice improvement in playback
[22:42] <tatertots> in yes/no form please
[22:43] <OerHeks> LoLz ... is that the easy fix?
[22:43] <dylan__> Hardware Acceleration was already enabled, so no
[22:43] <winston2k> oh em gee
[22:43] <bekks> I bet thats the part he is concerned of.
[22:44] <igoryonya> alive876: why don't you just install erlang from the repository? sudo apt-get install erlang
[22:44] <tatertots> dylan...i'm afraid it isn't supported by https://01.org/linuxgraphics
[22:44] <alive876> that didn't seem to work
[22:44] <tatertots> sorry to be the bearer of bad news
[22:45] <dylan__> What do you mean by "it" that isn't supported?
[22:45] <HackerII> prolly would be about:flags and enable he
[22:45] <igoryonya> alive876: what were the errors? Why do you think, it didn't work?
[22:45] <bekks> dylan__: Can you pastebin "sudo lspci -k" please?
[22:45] <dylan__> sure, second
[22:46] <alive876> like this: Errors were encountered while processing:  couchdb , but still  didn't recognize after i installed couchdb
[22:46] <dylan__> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17882105/
[22:46] <bekks> dylan__: As can be seen by the bearer of bad news too, your graphics card is supported by the Intel driver, which is installed, actually.
[22:47] <alive876> and i also ran  sudo apt-get install -f multiple time
[22:47] <bekks> dylan__: See line 8 in particular.
[22:47] <dylan__> So what does this mean bekks?
[22:47] <dylan__> Is there no fix for my issue?
[22:48] <igoryonya> alive876: I didn't understand. When you run sudo apt-get install erlang, you get: "rrors were encountered while processing:  couchdb"?
[22:48] <alive876> yes, at the end
[22:49] <bekks> dylan__: Did you try to enable HTML5 on http://www.youtube.com/html5/ yet?
[22:49] <igoryonya> alive876: Is that the complete error message, or it consists from several lines? Additional information.
[22:49] <dylan__> bekks: It's enabled, yeah.
[22:49] <alive876> ok
[22:50] <bekks> dylan__: Does this video wotk for you?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYc2jP4LLGo
[22:51] <dylan__> bekks: it does, yeah.
[22:52] <alive876> first when i try to do sudo apt-get ..  i get these http://pastebin.com/qa0iudkb
[22:52] <bekks> dylan__: Can you pastebin the entire content of "chrome://plugins/" please, after clicking on "Details" on the top right corner?
[22:52] <dylan__> Sure
[22:53] <dylan__> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17882379/
[22:54] <bekks> dylan__: So the problem boils down to HTML5 videos are being displayed properly, while Adobe Flash content isnt. At that point you can just hope Youtube will provide HTML5 content as often as possible for you.
[22:55] <alive876> and then i try sudo apt-get install -f  http://pastebin.com/F2Jxs50z
[22:55] <dylan__> bekks: that's not the issue at all. It's the fact that HTML5 videos are incredibly choppy
[22:55] <bekks> dylan__: Thats what I just asked :)
[22:55] <dylan__> And that (according to someone who's helped me before) Xorg uses only my CPU and not my GPU
[22:55] <bekks> dylan__: I asked you wether that HTML5 example video worked properly for you.
[22:56] <dylan__> Oh, sorry bekks
[22:56] <dylan__> HTML5 works, but once I go fullscreen or set my resolution to 720p, that's when it starts to become laggy
[22:58] <bprompt> dylan__:   is that a laptop I assume?
[22:58] <dylan__> Yes.
[22:58] <bekks> dylan__: You could test that here, too: http://www.leanbackplayer.com/example_multi_resolution.html
[22:59] <dylan__> bekks: that appears to be way less laggy.
[22:59] <dylan__> There's an occasional stutter but for the rest it's fine
[22:59] <bprompt> dylan__:     fullscreen video, means more gpu resources and cpu resources to do the rendering of the media, so the bigger the size of the video viewer, the more cpu and gpu resources it will require for rendering
[23:00] <dylan__> bprompt: the problem is that it worked fine in Windows, so I don't see why it can't in Ubuntu :(
[23:00] <tatertots> dylan....it's explaining to you exactly why it can't in ubuntu
[23:00] <tatertots> search for "137247" in that info i had you post
[23:01] <tatertots> do you see what it says next to "137247"
[23:01] <tatertots> and that's just one
[23:01] <bprompt> dylan__:  hmmm I seem to side with bekks , since I know that flash videos do require more cpu than html5, which is browser native
[23:01] <tatertots> i could go on
[23:01] <dylan__> You're saying it can't be fixed, someone else said it CAN be fixed
[23:01] <igoryonya> alive876: 1) What's your Ubuntu version?; Then do: 2) sudo apt-get update; 3) sudo apt-get -f install (and not sudo apt-get install -f)
[23:02] <bprompt> dylan__:    keep in mind that, youtube uses about 4 formats to serve the video, and if one doesn't work, the browser simply uses a fallback to use another, I'm thinking your issue may just be a flash one, not a videocard one
[23:03] <bekks> dylan__: On the page I just gave you, try fullscreen, and start withe loweest resolution.
[23:03] <dylan__> I'm not using flash though, I'm using HTML5 bprompt
[23:03] <igoryonya> alive876: seems like, you have an old Ubuntu version, that doesn't release new package versions anymore, and the latest couchdb version is not recent enough for  erlang requirement.
[23:03] <bprompt> dylan__:    if you right-click on the video, does it say it's an html5 video?
[23:03] <bekks> dylan__: And not all videos are available as HTML55 on youtube.
[23:03] <tatertots> I'm not saying it CAN'T be fixed.
[23:04] <bekks> < tatertots> dylan...i'm afraid it isn't supported by https://01.org/linuxgraphics
[23:04] <bekks> tatertots: Actually you did.
[23:04] <dylan__> bprompt: yes...
[23:04] <dylan__> bekks: the video works fine on all resolutions in fullscreen
[23:04] <alive876> 14.04 ubuntu
[23:05] <dylan__> There's no noticeable lag or slowdown.
[23:05] <bekks> dylan__: Cool, so HTML5 works properly. Now you neeed to find out wether a problematic video is HTML5 actually or not.
[23:05] <igoryonya> alive876: and installing the deb package with dpkg, will give you the similar dependancy error. First you have to resolve your couchdb issue
[23:05] <dylan__> I'm 90% sure the video I'm testing it on is.
[23:05] <dylan__> Hell, I'm even 100% sure.
[23:05] <bekks> dylan__: Can you share the URL then? :)
[23:06] <dylan__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIf5gAyrf4
[23:06] <alive876> is it possible the repository couchdb is not recent enough?
[23:06] <dylan__> Chose this video because I've watched it so often that I know how it's supposed to look like when it's not lagging
[23:06] <dylan__> It's in 720p60fps
[23:07] <igoryonya> alive876: and do my nick with a column, before your messages to me, so I don't have to search for your message from all other messages. It's a plain courtecy to the person, hellping you.
[23:07] <bekks> dylan__: lagging means it is stuttering :)
[23:08] <alive876> igoryonya|
[23:09] <igoryonya> alive876: Yes, it is possible, as I mentioned earlier. And your ubuntu version is really old. If you want to keep LTS version, there is 16.04 LTS out. did you do other commands, I
[23:09] <igoryonya> alive876: 've sent to you?
 ok, maybe i could try an older erlang version
[23:10] <igoryonya> alive876: There should be an upgrade from your version to the new one (16.04, sometime in the beginning of July)
 : Depends: couchdb-bin (>= 1.5.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[23:11] <igoryonya> alive876: an older erlang could help you. Did you do the sudo apt-get update yet?
[23:11] <dylan__> bekks: so, what does this mean?
[23:12] <dylan__> HTML5 works, but not on YT? :P
[23:12] <bekks> dylan__: Unless you see it stuttering, it isnt lagging :)
 yes
[23:12] <igoryonya> alive876: nickname without brackets, just like I do to you alive876: (nickname and a column or comma, right after)
[23:12] <dylan__> It is stuttering when I try to do it in fullscreen.
[23:12] <bekks> dylan__: HTML5 wrks fine, even on youtube, but not on that particular video, due to the combination of your selected high resolution and the highly moving content of the video.
[23:13] <bekks> dylan__: so select a lower resolution then.
[23:13] <dylan__> But that doesn't solve my issue...
[23:13] <bekks> dylan__: More powerful hardware would solve it. Just doublecheck that it works fine on fullscreen in a lower resolution.
[23:13] <igoryonya> alive876: You could try to search for a more recent couchdb package on launchpad.net for Ubuntu version 14.04
[23:14] <alive876> igoryonya, ok
[23:14] <dylan__> It's not a hardware issue when W10 can run it without any problems though?
[23:14] <bekks> dylan__: The main problem is the driver, which is a different one as in Windows 10.
[23:15] <tatertots> dylan...you probably want to enjoy youtube in it's highest quality and without having to worry about if the video you want to watch is available html5 or not eh?
[23:15] <tatertots> like how you did in windows
[23:15] <dylan__> ...yes
[23:15] <Jordan_U> dylan__: Are you able to watch 720p60fps in VLC or any other player?
[23:15] <igoryonya> alive876: add the unofficial couchdb repo from launchpad.net or maybe, they have personal repositories on couchdb site. You should also look at the couchdb's site on a download section, if they have their own repository and you could  try and add their rpository and install from that.
[23:16] <dylan__> Jordan_U: I haven't tried.
[23:16] <alive876> ok
[23:16] <igoryonya> alive876: After you update couchdb from an unofficial (launchpad.net) or couchdb's repository, you could continue with trying to install erlang.
[23:16] <Jordan_U> dylan__: Try. You can even use youtube-dl to watch that exact video in vlc.
[23:17] <bprompt> dylan__:     all I can say, is that the n3050 cpu, is newer than say a dual-core i5, I havea an i5 with intel 3000HD video, and youtube works fine in 16.04, even on fullscreen, but not sure if it's the same driver as yours is using
[23:18] <adrian_1908> bprompt: but is it aiming at the same market segment as an i5?
[23:19] <alive876> igoryonya| ok thanks a lot!
[23:19] <tatertots> bprompt's videos play smoothly
[23:19] <tatertots> bprompt do you use the intel gpu driver?
[23:19] <bprompt> adrian_1908:    well, the n3050 came out last year, 16.04 came out just a few months ago,    and nope, from what I know, the n3050 is a budget line
[23:19] <igoryonya> alive876: you are welcome
[23:19] <belowzero> hi guys,  wondering if nomodeset for boot will make nvidia cuda to not work for math processing
[23:20] <bekks> belowzero: It will disablemode setting during bootup.
[23:20] <bprompt> tatertots:    as far as I know, yes
[23:21] <belowzero> bekks: ok, so a bad idea if I understand you correctly?
[23:21] <belowzero> I dont want any screen attached.  Ill just ssh into the box
[23:22] <bekks> belowzero: Then why do you want to use nomodeset at all?
[23:23] <belowzero> ubuntu throws me a black screen after boot using the normal boot options
[23:23] <adrian_1908> I just looked at the data sheet and while the N3050 looks weak on the CPU side, it appears to have a pretty decent GPU. I'm surprised if it struggles like that.
[23:23] <bekks> belowzero: how do you see that without a display attached?
[23:23] <belowzero> bekks: I just want to ssh into the box using cuda
[23:23] <bekks> belowzero: "ssh into the box using cuda" - what does that mean? CUDA isnt related to ssh at all.
[23:24] <belowzero> now I got display attached,  but going to move the noisy box away when I get the chance :)
[23:24] <dylan__> Jordan_U: trying to playing the video gives me an error in VLC
[23:24] <adrian_1908> dylan__: I didn't follow the discussion, but 720p60 YouTube doesn't play smoothly (regardless of HTML5 or Flash)?
[23:24] <dylan__> adrian_1908: correct.
[23:24] <belowzero> bekks: sorry I was unclear.  I do not need a screen for it, but so far I got one.
[23:26] <tatertots> dylan...would you care to dive into your issue a little deeper....i warn you ...this might get a tad bit involved on your part
[23:27] <dylan__> Sure.
[23:27] <dylan__> I just want this to get fixed -_-
[23:27] <Jordan_U> dylan__: What error?
[23:28] <tatertots> ok dylan...first make a note of all the info in chrome://gpu.....i dont care how you do it...take screen shots all the way down the page if needed
[23:28] <bekks> tatertots: HE already put that into a pastebin for you.
[23:28] <dylan__> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17883707/
[23:28] <tatertots> we are going to change some things and i'll be relying on your eyes to relay changes to me
[23:28] <dylan__> Jordan_U: I'm not sure where I can find the log file, though
[23:29] <tatertots> bekks info is missing from pastbin FYI
[23:29] <tatertots> that's not ALL of it
[23:29] <tatertots> ok bekks
[23:29] <tatertots> now
[23:30] <tatertots> we also lost formating in pastbin so what he is looking at contains more info that the pastbin
[23:30] <tatertots> he can even click the hyperlinks to get more details...stuff like that
[23:30] <tatertots> dylan now close google chrome
[23:31] <Jordan_U> dylan__: You ned to download the video with youtube-dl first, vlc doesn't directly support youtube (though totem used to, and may still).
[23:31] <dylan__> ...how am I going to type to you if I close Chrome
[23:31] <adrian_1908> youtube-dl is a good thing to have anyway, love that little tool.
[23:31] <tatertots> chat with us in firefox while you trouble shoot chrome
[23:31] <dylan__> Jordan_U: that statement appears to be incorrect. I tried with another video and it played.
[23:32] <Jordan_U> dylan__: cd ~/Videos/ && youtube-dl 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIf5gAyrf4'
[23:32] <Jordan_U> dylan__: That will download the video into your ~/Videos/ directory.
[23:32] <tatertots> this is going to get involved dylan...if it gets to be too much just tell me when you want to wave that white flag
[23:33] <dylan__> Here I am again...
[23:34] <tgm4883> tatertots: being that he's been waiting for your help for 1.5 hours, I think he's in it for the long haul
[23:34] <tatertots> welcome back
[23:35] <Jordan_U> dylan__: Cool, I didn't know vlc supported grabbing videos directly from youtube. Did you see my comment explaining how to use youtube-dl anyway?
[23:35] <dylan__> I did.
[23:35] <dylan__> And while VLC plays videos in 720p without problem, I'd like to be able to stay in my browser
[23:35] <dylan__> it's nice to know that that option is still available though, thnanks
[23:35] <tatertots> dylan i'm going to have to open chrome again and look at chrome://gpu and look for changes
[23:36] <tatertots> don't open it yet though
[23:36] <adrian_1908> dylan__: Do you get all blue checkmarks here? https://www.youtube.com/html5
[23:36] <tatertots> i'm just letting you know what steps we will be taking in advance
[23:36] <Jordan_U> dylan__: It's also helpful to know that with the graphics drivers you have it's possible to play 60 fps 720p video.
[23:36] <tatertots> dylan is not using https://01.org/linuxgraphics
[23:37] <dylan__> adrian_1908: correct.
[23:37] <tatertots> sadly
[23:37] <adrian_1908> ok
[23:37] <tatertots> :(
[23:37] <tatertots> but i digress
[23:39] <tatertots> you've made note of things in chrome://gpu ...now lets open it again in a slightly different method and check for changes
[23:39] <tatertots> dylan you here still?
[23:40] <dylan__> I am
[23:40] <tatertots> do this
[23:40] <tatertots> this is case sensiteve
[23:40] <tatertots> sensitive
[23:40] <tatertots> type it exactly as i type it
[23:41] <dylan__> right
[23:41] <tatertots> LIBGL_DRI3_DISABLE=1 google-chrome
[23:41] <dylan__> And where do I type that?
[23:41] <tatertots> go back to chrome://gpu....notice any changes?
[23:42] <tatertots> in terminal
[23:42] <tatertots> oh and throw a & at the end of that command please
[23:42] <plop_its_ellie> tatertots, if i may ask whats going on with chrome?
[23:42] <tatertots> LIBGL_DRI3_DISABLE=1 google-chrome &
[23:43] <tatertots> hello plop...long story..i'll fill you in
[23:43] <plop_its_ellie> alright
[23:43] <dylan__> tatertots: nothing's changed
[23:43] <plop_its_ellie> take your time
[23:43] <dylan__> plop_its_ellie: HTML5 in Youtube is stuttering when it's in 720p
[23:44] <tatertots> ok dylan...
[23:44] <plop_its_ellie> oh
[23:45] <tgm4883> OerHeks: how long ago were you wondering if it was that ^
[23:45] <tatertots> this isn't supported but i can tell you i've done it the "unsupported" way many times but YMMV
[23:45] <plop_its_ellie> what gpu are you using? and what is the specs on your machine
[23:45] <tatertots> try using the intel driver https://01.org/linuxgraphics
[23:45] <tatertots> good luck my friend
[23:45] <plop_its_ellie> if he has low end hardware then it will stutter
[23:46] <dylan__> intel celeron n3050, intel HD graphics
[23:46] <dylan__> Worked fine on W10
[23:46] <plop_its_ellie> how much ram?
[23:47] <tatertots> when vendors say "unsupported" it just means "don't call us"
[23:47] <dylan__> 2GB
[23:47] <plop_its_ellie> I would try firefox as well to see if the problem persists
[23:47] <plop_its_ellie> ah
[23:47] <plop_its_ellie> chrome is a pretty heavy browser btw so just be aware of that
[23:47] <dylan__> tatertots: the latest build is for 15.10, doesn't work on 16.10
[23:48] <plop_its_ellie> but try in firefox and see if it stutters there too
[23:48] <dylan__> Yes, it does...
[23:48] <plop_its_ellie> and you are on 16.04?
[23:48] <dylan__> Yes...
[23:49] <plop_its_ellie> just using mainline ubuntu, none of the varients?
[23:49] <dylan__> Yes, 16.04
[23:49] <plop_its_ellie> otherwise i would recommend using ubuntu mate or xubuntu since it is lighter weight
[23:50] <hammer25> hey guys, i'm trying to work with python 3.5, but have 2.7 installed. how do i update?
[23:50] <tatertots> https://01.org/linuxgraphics is your friend
[23:50] <tatertots> just fyi
[23:50] <tatertots> :P
[23:51] <adrian_1908> hammer25: which ubuntu version?
[23:51] <plop_its_ellie> mainline ubuntu makes use of heavy 3d acceleration so it may tax performance for other 3d accelerated appliations
[23:51] <hammer25> 16.04
[23:51] <adrian_1908> 16.04 comes with python 3.5 by default
[23:52] <dylan__> like i said tatertots
[23:52] <dylan__> tatertots: the latest build is for 15.10, doesn't work on 16.10
[23:52] <plop_its_ellie> heh funny thing is, i installed lubuntu 16.04 on a client's machine which had a pentiumD from 2006, it played 720p youtubg videos with no issue
[23:52] <adrian_1908> hammer25: type `python3` into the terminal
[23:53] <tatertots> dylan do you care for a fix bad enough to do what is needed for https://01.org/linuxgraphics
[23:53] <ikonia> dylan__: did you get it working ?
[23:53] <tatertots> i warned this would get involved
[23:53] <dylan__> ikonia: thank god
[23:53] <hammer25> ah, ok, it had both. weird.
[23:53] <dylan__> tatertots: how many times do I have to tell you
[23:53] <dylan__> it does not work for 16.04
[23:53] <mhalano> New doubt. I found a solution for half of my problem. Remembering:
[23:53] <ikonia> dylan__: how did you get on, I had to step away earlier
[23:53] <tgm4883> tatertots: ffs, if you are going to push that so hard, then the least you could do is give him instructions. At this point, I'm seriously doubting your ability to help dylan__ at all
[23:54] <mhalano> One of my questions is use a way to defer emails automatically when I'm offline
[23:54] <adrian_1908> hammer25: yeah, too many ecosystems still rely on 2.7, so ubuntu will keep that around in addition to version 3+
[23:54] <dylan__> ikonia: I didn't. I tried editing the xorg config but it gave me an error when starting up
[23:54] <ikonia> dylan__: thats annoying
[23:54] <ikonia> dylan__: what error did you get ?
[23:54] <dylan__> Yup
[23:55] <dylan__> That was a while ago. I Think something about going into low graphic mode?
[23:55] <plop_its_ellie> tatertots, you can get the latest driver via a ppa
[23:55] <ikonia> dylan__: so it was dropping back to the failsafe driver
[23:55] <dylan__> Yes
[23:55] <dylan__> I went back to /etc/X11
[23:55] <dylan__> and the config was gone
[23:55] <ikonia> dylan__: just out of interest, did you try watching it with the fail safe driver
[23:55] <ikonia> dylan__: the config file was gone ??
[23:55] <dylan__> Yeah
[23:56] <dylan__> it did make xorg.conf.failsafe
[23:56] <dylan__> and xorg.conf.backup with a bunch of numbers after it
[23:56] <mhalano> I found dma and nullmailer (and I will test ssmtp, msmtp and esmtp). both solution I tested defer emails when using mail command (I don't try with mutt or alpine or any CLI email client). The question is: There a lightweight solution (like ones I mentioned) but which listen on some port?
[23:56] <ikonia> interesting
[23:56] <dylan__> but the original xorg.conf is gone
[23:56] <mhalano> The idea is use Thunderbird (for now) and this solution will do the defer process.
[23:57] <dylan__> It could be that I screwed something up while editing the file
[23:57] <ikonia> dylan__: the xorg in 16.04 is a little bit newer and more modular, so maybe the location has changed, it always used to be /etc/X11/xorg.conf, let me have a quick look as I don't hve a 16.04 machine ot hand
[23:57] <plop_its_ellie> huh why did it go to the failsafe driver?
[23:57] <ikonia> dylan__: possible, but with the dynamic xorg, you should basically only have to set parameters you want to override from autodetection
[23:57] <plop_its_ellie> oh nvm i see
[23:58] <hammer25> I'm having trouble using sudo apt-get
[23:58] <hammer25> its saying it "Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock"
[23:58] <hammer25> same for /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[23:58] <ikonia> dylan__: docs seem to suggest /etc/X11/xorg.conf should still be honoured
[23:59] <dylan__> ikonia: Do you think I should try again
[23:59] <ikonia> dylan__: with no xorg.conf file, does your machine boot back into your normal (but broken) setup
[23:59] <dylan__> Yeah, it did
[23:59] <ikonia> or does it keep dropping back to failsafe
[23:59] <dylan__> I think it's back to normal
[23:59] <ikonia> dylan__: ok - lets try something
[23:59] <ikonia> dylan__: do you know how to boot into recovery mode ?


[00:00] <pleia2> anyone? :)
[01:31] <pleia2> alright, going to release now
[02:11] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 469 for the week June 6 - 12, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue469
[02:11] <pleia2> working with IS to get logged into fridge, it's all redirect loopy x_x
[02:20] <pleia2> they're investigating
[02:21] <Unit193> Links are still good.
[02:21] <pleia2> thanks
[02:28] <pleia2> ok, got fridge sorted \o/
[02:28] <pleia2> had them fix xubuntu.org while I was there


[08:08] <phizz> anyone know if the new house came on tonight?
[11:05] <pingbat> hi all, is this a good place to report a potential problem in ubuntu 10.10 ?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> !bug
[11:08] <directhex> and nobody will remember any bugs you type here in about 5 minutes' time
[11:12] <pingbat> heh
[11:15] <pingbat> well in that case i'll file the bug
[11:15] <pingbat> in the meantime would anyone be in a position to try and reproduce the bug?
[11:16] <pingbat> you'll need a FT2232D based debugger
[11:16] <pingbat> JTAG
[12:52] <hyperair> say, is there any way i can find an ical link for the natty release schedule?
[12:56] <ari-tczew> hyperair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[12:57] <hyperair> ari-tczew: it's just a listing. i want something i can feed my calendar
[12:58] <ari-tczew> then dunno
[12:58] <mok0> hyperair: should be rather easy to generate one using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule?action=raw
[13:00] <hyperair> mok0: but i'm not familiar enough with the ical format. heh
[13:00] <hyperair> mok0: googling for ical ubuntu release schedule seems to show that hardy had it
[13:00]  * hyperair brb
[13:01] <mok0> hyperair: it's quite straightforward IIRC
[13:01] <mok0> http://reefknot.sourceforge.net/bootstrap-guide/indexs05.html
[13:01] <mok0> That example covers your needs :-)
[13:04] <mok0> hyperair: actually, it's called the .ics format
[13:07] <mok0> hyperair: there's even packaged a python module for it: python-vobject
[13:08] <soren> It's dreadful.
[13:08] <mok0> soren: what is?
[13:08] <soren> python-vobject.
[13:08] <mok0> soren: ah :-)
[13:08] <soren> and the format.
[13:08] <mok0> soren: ... I tend to agree... but it's the standard we have to work with
[13:08] <soren> I've used it a couple of times, and each time I lose a bit of faith in humanity.
[13:09] <soren> mok0: True.
[13:10] <mok0> soren, perhaps you like this better? http://xml.coverpages.org/iCal.html
[14:07] <slangasek> SpamapS: oh, hmm.  I wonder if that's a bug?
[15:10] <slangasek> SpamapS: hmmm.  Isn't portmap-wait redundant?  statd only starts when 'started portmap' is emitted
[15:11] <slangasek> SpamapS: (only noticed this while trying to fix up idmapd in the same way as statd)
[15:37] <bjf> StevenK, which room are you hanging out in? sconklin and i have a question
[15:38] <StevenK> bjf: I'll come down
[15:48] <ogra> cjwatson, do you know what is the reason that tools like fdisk by default still run in DOS compatibility mode ?
[15:49]  * ogra thinks we should default to having switched it off
[15:50] <SpamapS> slangasek: statd also starts when mouting TYPE=nfs is emitted, which may be well before portmap started.
[15:50] <SpamapS> mounting rather
[15:51] <slangasek> SpamapS: ahhh yes
[15:51] <slangasek> SpamapS: thanks for the refresher :)
[15:52] <SpamapS> slangasek: if I didn't already have a headache from a night of reveling w/ the server team, I'd have one now because I have to think about it again.
[15:53] <slangasek> SpamapS: maybe that means there's a missing comment ;)
[15:57] <cjwatson> ogra: upstream
[15:58] <cjwatson> ogra: I mean, I don't know for sure, I imagine it's general conservatism
[16:20] <superm1> cjwatson, were you aware of console-setup install problems affecting buildd's on natty?  eg: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62089492/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.mythtv_2:0.24.0%2Bfixes.20110112.2394a9d-0ubuntu0mythbuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz  I'm not noticing them at all on a home sbuild with a natty schroot though.
[16:23] <cjwatson> superm1: not previously ...
[16:24] <cjwatson> the message is from kbd
[16:25] <cjwatson> hard to say whether those errors are fatal though
[16:25] <cjwatson> five of them clearly weren't, so was the sixth?  hard to say :)
[16:26] <Laney> Sorry to prod but could someone in -sru please review/accept the pristine-tar SRU in m/UNAPPROVED? The version in release doesn't work so well with the -proposed tar
[16:47] <superm1> cjwatson, are those errors from fgconsole leaking through maybe because of a redirected fd for stderr when running in debconf?
[17:09] <kirkland> siretart: ping
[17:11] <pitti> cjwatson: FTR, current live cd build failure got fixed this morning
[17:33] <Riddell> bdrung: ping
[18:13] <ogra> StevenK, where are you hiding ?
[18:16] <StevenK> ogra: Elsewhere
[18:16] <ogra> StevenK, how much beer does it take to get ti-omap4-software-channel out of NEW ?
[18:24] <StevenK> ogra: More you have access to?
[18:24] <ogra> ^dunno, there might be multiple barrels in the bar :)
[18:25] <StevenK> s/\(have\) \(access\)/\1 easy \2/
[18:53] <doko> mvo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62083003/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.aptitude_0.6.3-3.2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:58] <bdrung> Riddell: pong
[19:01] <Riddell> bdrung: I was doing bug 702493
[19:01] <Riddell> but it doesn't seem to help for me so I'm not going to upload for now
[19:18] <Riddell> bdrung: correction, it does work, so I'll upload to natty and maverick shortly
[19:32] <bdrung> Riddell: patch against phonon-backend-vlc or vlc?
[20:00] <Riddell> bdrung: vlc
[20:01] <bdrung> Riddell: please wait with the sru, because we want to release another security fix
[20:06] <bdrung> tumbleweed: around?
[20:29] <SpamapS> apw: ping, I understand you added the bit where the kernel commandline is given to upstart in its environment?
[20:43] <dragorn> I'm trying to make a deb, on one ubuntu64 system with dpkg <IP_ADDRESS>u2 all works as expected, on another ubuntu-server32 install with <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1, it goes 'funny':  on the funny system, dpkg -i foo.deb skips all the db_input questions and assumes the defaults, but dpkg-reconfigure works as expected.  Any thoughts as to why the hell it skips during install?  (and I did --purge and confirmed with debconfig-show that the questions are
[20:43] <dragorn> not in the database)
[20:44] <dapal> dragorn: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, you should notice different values for "Ignore questions with priority less than: [..]"
[20:46] <dragorn> dapal: Argh!  That's it.  Thanks, I've been banging my head against that all day.  Ubuntu isn't my standard distro, didn't know that one.
[20:46] <dapal> dragorn: (I use Debian, heh :D)
[20:47] <dragorn> dapal: I'm usually a gentoo guy, but I've got enough people wanting ubuntu packages that I'm making the effort... for whatever reason, ubuntu has been packaging my stuff from 2007 and not updating.
[20:47] <dapal> dragorn: ow :/. Good luck then :)
[20:47] <dragorn> dapal: This was the last hurdle
[20:48] <dragorn> dapal: actually got it all behaving, complete with prompting the user to set up capabilities and suid behaviors, just had one system that defaulted one level lower apparently.
[20:50] <dragorn> dapal: Yup, that solved it.  Thanks a ton, that sucked.
[20:51] <dapal> dragorn: you're welcome :)
[20:53] <doko> zul: irqbalance ftbfs, missing b-d on quilt?
[20:53] <zul> doko: thanks ill look at it
[20:53] <doko> zul: lp should have sent an email about that
[20:53] <zul> doko: i might not have seen it
[21:07] <Riddell> bdrung: bug 668671 has debdiff attached, please upload when you do the vlc update
[21:26] <doko> ScottK, Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62146624/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.poppler_0.14.5-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:27] <doko> rebuilt with gcc-4.6, could you add the missing include in the qt3 header file(s)?
[21:28] <Riddell> doko: why do we still build libpoppler-qt2 ?
[21:29] <Riddell> doko: no rdepends, probably we should just drop libpoppler-qt2
[21:29] <doko> Riddell: ENOCLUE. it's still in main. demote it?
[21:31] <doko> here's another qt3 issue: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62153402/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.scribus_<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg~svn20081228-2ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:34] <Riddell> doko: is everything qt3 going to fail because of that?
[21:39] <doko> Riddell: looks like so. unixodbc too. but again, this is gcc-4.6. although it would be nice to fix the headers, to look for further g++ related errors in these packages. mvo already fixed apt & libsigc++ headers
[21:40] <doko> or wvstreams
[21:44] <geser> gcc-4.6 is for natty+1?
[21:45] <doko> geser: evaluating ...
[21:59] <lifeless> bryceh_: we need the oops code ;)
[22:15] <bryceh_> lifeless, too late.  I manually duped it.
[22:16] <lifeless> bryceh_: in future, *always* give us the oops please
[22:17] <lifeless> bryceh_: otherwise we can't tell if its the same cause or a new one etc
[22:29] <geser> StevenK: can you promote gir1.2-gssdp-1.0 to main please? it's the successor of gir1.0-gssdp-1.0 which was in main. (or should I file a bug for it?)
[22:32] <tgardner> ev, no joy. still crashes. Is there anything else you like to see?
[22:32] <StevenK> geser: And source, or just 4 binaries?
[22:33] <ev> tgardner: can you stick a set -x in the top of /usr/lib/ubiquity/user-setup/user-setup-apply, then run through it again and stick /var/log/syslog on pastebin?
[22:34] <geser> StevenK: the source (gssdp) is already in main, one binary package got renamed (gir1.0-* → gir1.2-* transition) but it got put into universe instead of main (where gupnp is in DEPWAIT on it)
[22:35] <StevenK> geser: Confirmed, and promoted.
[22:35] <geser> thanks
[22:36] <tgardner> ev, I do have a couple of kernel oops in the filesystem. that can't be a good thing.
[22:36] <ev> heh
[22:36] <tgardner> ev, lemme start it over and make sure I've a clean disk.
[22:36] <ev> okay
[22:43] <EtienneG> guys, just checking
[22:43] <EtienneG> is it forbidden by policy for a maintainer script to change a conffile permission?
[22:45] <SpamapS> EtienneG: IIRC maintainer scripts shouldn't touch conffiles unless it is removing an obsoleted conffile (one that is not in the newly installed version of the package)
[22:46] <soren> And even then, only if it's unmodified.
[22:46] <EtienneG> SpamapS, so an unconditional chmod in a postinst would be against policy?
[22:46] <SpamapS> right, I keep wondering why that logic only exists in a copy/paste snippet in a wiki
[22:46] <soren> I'm not sure policy specifically says so, but it would be against the spirit of it.
[22:47] <SpamapS> EtienneG: yeah I'd think so.. the user may have set the permissions a certain way for a reason.
[22:47] <EtienneG> because, if that's the case, then bug #697792 is indeed valid
[22:47] <EtienneG> I have been reading the policy, but it does not talk about file attributes (like permission), only the content
[22:48] <EtienneG> nonetheless, gratuitous chmod of conffile should be avoided, I guess
[22:49] <soren> EtienneG: "local changes must be preserved during a package upgrade, and"
[22:49] <SpamapS> EtienneG: I would think that the proper place to do that chmod is in the package build, not maintainer scripts.
[22:49] <soren> EtienneG: It doesn' really say contents or metadata.
[22:49] <EtienneG> indeed
[22:49] <soren> EtienneG: What are you trying to do?
[22:49] <soren> Let's attack it that way.
[22:50] <EtienneG> soren, see above cited bug
[22:50] <soren> Oh.
[22:50]  * soren pays attention
[22:50] <EtienneG> but generally, I agree with the both of you, I just wanted to clarify with people more knowledgeable than me
[22:52] <SpamapS> That file doesn't seem to be in the package
[22:53] <SpamapS> oh ait, it is
[22:53] <SpamapS> yeah the appropriate place is in the package
[22:54] <SpamapS> EtienneG: marked as confirmed
[22:54]  * SpamapS heads to meeting
[22:56] <EtienneG> SpamapS, thanks a bunch