[00:01] <zoredache> iftab?
[00:02] <evil_tech> maybe he misyped fstab
[00:02] <Iwanowitch> Nope.. iftab should list network interfaces.
[00:02] <Ahmuck> [18:02] <Ahmuck> hi.  trying to get a iomega magic 80G Go Drive (usb) to recognize.  any suggestions?  where do i find usb device numbers?  is this something i should mount manually via mount command?
[00:02] <Iwanowitch> I wouldn't want to lack fstab :/
[00:03] <ddddd> Iwanowitch: try ifconfig
[00:03] <zoredache> perhaps you are looking for /etc/network/interfaces
[00:04] <evil_tech> or as ddddd mentioned just do an ifconfig -a
[00:04] <ddddd> and iwconfig for wireless
[00:05] <evil_tech> did not know about that one
[00:05] <Iwanowitch> Well, guides are referring to changing stuff in /etc/iftab, and I have one on my other computer, so I was wondering how important it actually is.
[00:05] <evil_tech> always got those by ifconfig
[00:06] <evil_tech> you could try locate iftab
[00:06] <Iwanowitch> But I suppose my problem is a bit worse, as I've seemed to have lost my wireless interface..
[00:08] <ddddd> Iwanowitch: you can use iwconfig for configuring wireless interfaces, or the gui tool: applications -> system -> network
[00:10] <zoredache> does anyone know you can use a \ as a line continuation character in a crontab?  The man isn't being to helpful
[00:10] <Iwanowitch> Mmm. Problem is scanning nor connecting works. But I'll be figuring it out, thanks.
[00:10] <ddddd> Iwanowitch: there is also a cli tool iwlist --help gives info
[00:12] <somerville32> zoredache, yes
[00:15] <evil_tech> im getting ready to install Xubuntu on my T40. any thing i should be watching for?
[00:18] <ddddd> Iwanowitch: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs maybe you can find some help here
[00:28] <Iwanowitch> Yeah, I'm looking around. Thanks. :)
[00:57] <evil_tech> how do you find out if something is accessing a removable device?
[00:59] <ere4si> try     ps aux | grep usb    :)
[01:00] <zoredache> lsof | grep 'mount point'
[01:02] <evil_tech> blarg
[01:02] <evil_tech> still wont let me unmount it
[01:03] <evil_tech> ksuspend_usbd and usb-storage are using it
[01:04] <evil_tech> ah no its brasero >:
[01:04] <evil_tech> success!!!
[01:04] <ere4si> what worked?
[01:05] <evil_tech> finding what was keeping me from ejecting my usb hard drive
[01:06] <zoredache> I believe his question was more along the lines of what command did you use to find that information out
[01:07] <evil_tech> oh
[01:07] <evil_tech> the one you gave: lsof | grep 'mount point'
[01:14] <ere4si> k
[01:15] <evil_tech> so does linux natively have drivers for mobility radeon 7500?
[01:49] <thyrax> guys whats the best way to have all drives appear as one under linux?
[01:50] <somerville32> Not sure I understand the question
[01:50] <thyrax> like raid 0
[01:51] <thyrax> have 2 500gigs appear as 1tb
[01:53] <thyrax> without stripping
[01:53] <thyrax> like a pool
[01:53] <evil_tech> JBOD
[01:53] <evil_tech> just a bunch of discs?
[01:54] <thyrax> does jbod have stripping?
[01:54] <thyrax> i don't want one drive to fail and all to go with it
[01:55] <evil_tech> then you want to mirrow
[01:55] <evil_tech> mirror
[01:55] <evil_tech> Raid1
[01:55] <evil_tech> though you dont add the drives then
[01:56] <thyrax> hmm not really mirror i have random sizes
[01:57] <evil_tech> well you could partition the drives to the size of the lowest capacity one
[01:57] <evil_tech> and then do raid 1 or 5
[01:57] <evil_tech> but that really isnt going to offer much redundancy
[01:57] <thyrax> 3 500s a 350 and 160
[01:57] <thyrax> don't want redundancy
[01:57] <thyrax> just want all drives to appear as one
[01:58] <evil_tech> then you need to set up a JBOD array
[01:58] <thyrax> if one drive fails in jbod will all go with it?
[01:58] <thyrax> data i mean
[01:59] <evil_tech> no just the data on that drive will go
[01:59] <evil_tech> depends on how you set it up as to what data goes where
[01:59] <thyrax> how would i go about setting up jbod? anything with a simple gui?
[01:59] <thyrax> which linux disto is best for samba
[01:59] <evil_tech> some hardware controllers i think support load balancing but i believe thedefault is to just putdata on a drive till its full and then move to the next one
[02:00] <thyrax> is there a freenas like app that allows jbod?
[02:00] <evil_tech> google would be your friend there
[02:00] <evil_tech> i think there is a NAS distro
[02:00] <thyrax> i thought id ask linux techies directly
[02:01] <thyrax> would use windows home server but it has shares you can't delete which is stupid
[02:02] <evil_tech> you could try asking in #ubuntu
[02:02] <evil_tech> a bit higher traffic than here
[02:02] <thyrax> i always get quicker responses in here :)
[02:03] <thyrax> googling now. thanks
[02:04] <evil_tech> np sorry i couldnt offer better assistance
[02:04] <thyrax> not at all thanks alot
[03:07] <codenamekt> I'm having a problem with my usb drive. I used to plug it in and it would just mount.  I despise you!
[03:11] <codenamekt> somerville32, I guess I had set it up a while ago and just never messed with it. I keep my home on a seperate partition so it has probably been awhile
[03:11] <codenamekt> TheSheep, yeah maybe he should read the !CoC and stop making people feel unsmart
[03:12] <somerville32> :P
[03:20] <Wyrmul> I am trying to get my microphone input to work and I am having the damdest time of it.
[03:22] <Wyrmul> I have tried installing audacity,it works, except I cannot figure out the port/input setting to get my mic working
[03:26] <TheSheep> Wyrmul: alsa
[03:33] <Wyrmul> In Audacity I have:
[03:33] <Wyrmul>  ALSA: VIA 8235: VIA 8235 (hw 0,0)
[03:33] <Wyrmul>  ALSA: VIA 8235: VIA 8235 (hw 0,1)
[03:33] <Wyrmul> and
[03:33] <Wyrmul> ALSA: front
[03:34] <TheSheep> Wyrmul: those are two channels of your sound card
[03:34] <charding> Is the boot-up screen blank by default for xubuntu?
[03:34] <Wyrmul> keen which is which?
[03:35] <somerville32> charding, no
[03:35] <charding> When I turn on my machine and get past the grub screen, I see nothing but a blank screen until I get to the login screen
[03:35] <charding> Turning off 'quiet' from the boot sequence doesn't help
[03:35] <charding> and by turning it off, I mean removing it
[03:36] <charding> Do you know what would be wrong?
[03:37] <somerville32> I'm not sure.
[03:38] <TheSheep> charding: maybe it detected your monitor wrong and used too large resolution
[03:39] <TheSheep> charding: try editing /etc/upstrart.conf and changing the resolution to something smaller
[03:39] <charding> file doesn't exist..
[03:40] <charding> is that with a particular package?
[03:40] <TheSheep> charding: upstart.conf
[03:40] <TheSheep> charding: sorry
[03:40] <TheSheep> charding: usplash.conf
[03:40] <TheSheep> upsplash
[03:40] <TheSheep> I think I'll go to sleep
[03:41] <charding> that could have been it, my monitor is a lower res
[03:41] <charding> I hope that's it, thanks
[03:42] <Wyrmul> any further thoughts on the mic issue?
[03:42] <TheSheep> Wyrmul: you can try running alsamixer in terminal to see if it's enabled
[03:42] <TheSheep> Wyrmul: or aumix
[03:44] <heavenlyblade101> hello all
[03:45] <charding> hello
[03:46] <Wyrmul>  using alsamixer (aumix does not seem to be installed) mic is set to Mic2 and is full up
[03:47] <TheSheep> Wyrmul: maybe try mic1
[03:47] <Wyrmul> aaahhhhh it screaches at me.
[03:47] <TheSheep> Wyrmul: and make sure it doesn't have MM under it, just OO
[03:47] <Wyrmul> It is a very low constant tone.  Not like feedback
[03:48] <Wyrmul> as I drop the mic setting it seems to become higher pitched
[03:48] <TheSheep> force feedback
[03:49] <heavenlyblade101> hey guys, how do i boot from my DVD rom to install XP? i've tried setting it in the boot order but it just shows the CD rom that has been removed
[03:49] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: you mean windows xp?
[03:49] <heavenlyblade101> yeah
[03:49] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: just boot from the windows installer cd
[03:49] <heavenlyblade101> thats the thing
[03:49] <heavenlyblade101>  it wont
[03:49] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: you can't install windows from linux
[03:50] <heavenlyblade101> im booting with the DVD in and Grub keeps coming up
[03:50] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: enable booting from cd in bios
[03:50] <Wyrmul> the cd drive needs to be earlier in the boot order than the HD
[03:50] <heavenlyblade101> i tried, but all that comes up is the CD drive that is no longer there.
[03:51] <heavenlyblade101> it detects the DVD drive but in the boot order it doesnt give me that option
[03:51] <Wyrmul> Is your bios detecting the drive on every boot? or is it set for a specific drive?
[03:52] <heavenlyblade101> it detects the drive as my primary master but it wont list it in boot order
[03:54] <Wyrmul> what happens when you boot and tell it the CD drive?
[03:54] <heavenlyblade101> nothing, it boots into grub and linux
[03:55] <Wyrmul> try removing the hard drive from the boot order entirely.  as long as it is enabled the XP installer will be able to see it.  once the XP installer reboots for the first time go in an add it back to the boot order.
[03:56] <heavenlyblade101> how do i remove it from the boot order?
[03:56] <Wyrmul> also think about moving yout hard drive to be primary master and the optical drive to be secondary master
[03:56] <heavenlyblade101> k i'll try removing the HDD from the boot order first
[03:58] <heavenlyblade101> nope. nothing. should i try switching the hdd to primary?
[04:00] <Wyrmul> +
[04:01] <heavenlyblade101> nope. can i boot off the DVD drive through grub?
[04:01] <Wyrmul> What bios do you have?
[04:02] <heavenlyblade101> pheonixBios
[04:05] <Wyrmul>  what is your boot sequence listed as currently?
[04:05] <heavenlyblade101> removable devices, CD rom, network boot, hdd
[04:08] <Wyrmul> you may need to use a windows boot disk then if your BIOS won't support booting from the DVD drive
[04:08] <heavenlyblade101> i tried with a 98 boot disk (floppy) but it didnt work
[04:09] <heavenlyblade101> and i cant make an XP boot disk because my lappy doesnt have a floppy and hte only other system is 98
[04:10] <Wyrmul> ... no Idea then. sorry
[04:11] <heavenlyblade101> :/
[04:11] <somerville32> Whats the problem?
[04:12] <heavenlyblade101> cant get my system to boot off a Windows XP DVD
[04:16] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: technically we are not a windows support group...
[04:16] <somerville32> lol
[04:16] <TheSheep> bug #1
[04:16] <somerville32> heavenlyblade101, There is ##windows
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:16] <heavenlyblade101> ?
[04:16] <somerville32> There is a windows support  channel
[04:16] <heavenlyblade101> lol but its trying to get it through linux haha, i f***ed up on the dual boot hting
[04:17] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: so you have the windows installed already?
[04:17] <heavenlyblade101> but that windows support channel. is it on this server?
[04:17] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: yes
[04:17] <heavenlyblade101> and no i have xubuntu installed already
[04:18] <somerville32> heavenlyblade101, You want to install Windows first
[04:18] <somerville32> heavenlyblade101, Windows will overwrite the boot info and you'd have to reinstall grub
[04:19] <heavenlyblade101> oh well, i'll reinstall linux i just wanna get windows installed so i can have the best of both worlds
[04:21] <peacepipej1> too bad theres no linux wubi to install windows
[04:21] <heavenlyblade101> too bad i have to deal with grub lol
[04:21] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: the problem is not grub, the problem is your windows not booting
[04:22] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: it's before your computer even tries grub
[04:22] <peacepipej1> heehee
[04:22] <peacepipej1> grub is cool
[04:22] <heavenlyblade101> well what could be causing it not to boot off my dvd drive?
[04:22] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: bios settings or brokedn dvd or broken drive
[04:23] <heavenlyblade101> drive works, dvd is good, lol gotta be bios settings
[04:23] <peacepipej1> heavenlyblade101: youre having trouble booting xubuntu?
[04:23] <heavenlyblade101> hold on, gonna try linux live in the dvd
[04:26] <heavenlyblade101> k live CD and DVD works in VM ware
[04:28] <heavenlyblade101> so how can i completely get rid of grub and xubuntu and start fresh?
[04:29] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: one way is to boot the windows cd and install windows over it
[04:31] <heavenlyblade101> :/ lol the problem i am having
[04:37] <TheSheep> heavenlyblade101: believe me, it's not related to xubuntu or linux in any way
[04:55] <heavenlyblade101> alright well thanks for the help guys. ttyl
[05:51] <peacepipejv> help, any reason why right click reboots? Well, sorta. I get the ctrl alt F8 screen then back into login scrn
[05:53] <peacepipejv> sorry, right clicking the terminal icon from the apps menu
[05:55] <peacepipejv> umm
[05:56] <bloony> hmm.. I just rebooted and after the reboot the desktop was abit messed up, but I fixed it.. I had to go on desktop settings and make sure xfce was allowed to manage the desktop.. but how can I set this so I dont have to do it if I reboot? theres no save button or anything..
[05:57] <TheSheep> bloony: it's saved on change
[05:57] <bloony> TheSheep:  but why was it changed when I rebooted?
[05:58] <TheSheep> bloony: apparently the xfdesktop program crashed for some reason
[05:58] <bloony> hum.. ok
[05:58] <TheSheep> bloony: that's the program that 'manages your desktop'
[05:58] <bloony> yeah
[05:58] <bloony> k
[06:01] <peacepipejv> hey, any reason why right clicking terminal icon logs me off
[06:07] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: no idea, you have sis or i810 graphics card?
[06:08] <peacepipejv> ooh, integrated grafix
[06:08] <peacepipejv> old old p3
[06:08] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: there was a bug the terminal that made X crash on these cards
[06:09] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: try editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root and changing the DefaultDepth to 16
[06:09] <peacepipejv> TheSheep: you know what, same thing happens when i try to open terminal
[06:09] <peacepipejv> ok, stnby
[06:12] <peacepipejv> TheSheep: how can I do that w/out term access to gedit
[06:13] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: press alt+f2 and type 'gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[06:15] <peacepipejv> haha, i forgot I was troublshooting xubuntu, not ubuntu
[06:17] <davidrawson> hewwow
[06:17] <davidrawson> hello young child
[06:17] <davidrawson> i would like to inquire about your spoons
[06:18] <davidrawson> I like rusty spoons
[06:18] <peacepipejv> TheSheep: xorg.conf is open. its blank, cept warning about logged in as root at the top
[06:18] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: you sure the path is right?
[06:19] <peacepipejv> doh, capital X
[06:22] <peacepipejv> TheSheep: thanx, it worked yo
[06:23] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: great
[06:23] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: as a side effect, it also saves some memory
[06:23] <TheSheep> peacepipejv: but displays slightly less colors
[06:23] <peacepipejv> darn
[06:23] <TheSheep> fewer
[06:24] <TheSheep> but you shouldn't notice unless you look at gradients closely
[06:25] <peacepipejv> TheSheep: it was showing some vert lines also,which are fixed. Anyway,its a work pc. Graphix dont matter
[06:28] <peacepipejv> QUIT [and im out}
[06:28] <peacepipejv> oopes
[06:28] <peacepipejv> quit
[08:43] <andy_> hello
[08:46] <andy_> I searched on the Google, but wasn't able to get any useful information about connecting a Windows Mobile system to a linux... Is it possible?
[09:08] <ablomen> synce-kde << thats all i can find in the repo's, maybe active sync runs trough wine, you could try that
[09:10] <andy_> oaky, very thx, ill try it. :)
[09:11] <ablomen> :) good luck
[09:15] <andy_> ill have to restart, brb!
[09:38] <gerro> anyone know how to get the events section of firestarter working? I can't get it to show stuff
[09:40] <somerville32> gerro, Maybe there isn't any events? :P
[09:40] <gerro> somerville32: I generated several like how their webpage said but it didn't show up and I'm in the dmz on my network
[09:40] <somerville32> Weird.
[09:40] <somerville32> Maybe the firewall isn't up
[09:41] <gerro> no its up
[09:41] <gerro> I can block all data going out with it
[09:45] <gerro> somerville32: is there like a special dependency for the logging support that isn't installed by default? I used the one in repository
[09:45] <somerville32> It always worked for me
[09:46] <gerro> hmm I have sysklogd turned off but I tried turning that on and rebooting still nothing though
[09:46] <gerro> your on 7.10 right?
[09:52] <gerro> wow irc with pidgin looks nice
[09:52] <gerro> how do I color my name though on the side?
[12:05] <gerro> ah crap firefox whacked out and enlarged everything which button is decrease font size?
[12:06] <somerville32> ctrl + - ?
[12:06] <somerville32> Maybe add a shift in there
[12:06] <gerro> umm that fixed it, don't know how I triggered it
[12:07] <gerro> I think I have one of those feature creep mouse loggers floating around in my browser somewhere >,>
[12:07] <somerville32> :]
[12:30] <gerro> I get this error when I run firestarter from terminal http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46079/
[12:31]  * somerville32 looks.
[12:34] <somerville32> gerro, Yea, I get that too often
[12:35] <gerro> somerville: so the secret of starting a fire is to use lots of small gnomes?
[12:36] <somerville32> haha
[12:36] <gerro> I'm sorry couldn't resist lol
[12:36] <somerville32> :)
[12:39] <gerro> firestarter website still handing out 5.04 debs
[12:40] <somerville32> Ubuntu 5.04?
[12:40] <gerro> yeah hoary hedgehog
[12:41] <somerville32> yucky
[12:55] <gerro> somerville32: any idea where firestarter pulls its logs from?
[12:55] <somerville32> gerro, I'm pretty sure firestarter is a firewall :P
[12:55] <somerville32> It pulls its logs from its self
[12:56] <gerro> umm I kinda thought it manipulated iptables and used standard system logs in /var while being merely a gui
[12:56] <somerville32> Thats what I thought too
[12:57] <somerville32> " Firestarter is a complete firewall tool for Linux machines."
[12:57] <somerville32> Depends on iptables though
[12:57] <somerville32> Must use it
[13:03] <gerro> somerville32: yours shows event logs right? could you tell me what you have set for /etc/firestarter/firewall on one log_support=
[13:03] <gerro> that line I mean
[13:05] <somerville32> 1
[13:09] <gerro> underneath the first one
[13:10] <gerro> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46080/ is what i have
[13:10] <gerro> oh wait that is if kernel doesnt support logs
[13:12] <kumamoto> anyone know how to get change sudo application themes
[13:13] <kumamoto> like kubuntu has "sudo system-settings"
[13:13] <somerville32> kumamoto, hmm?
[13:13] <gerro> gksudo you mean?
[13:15] <kumamoto> haven't used gksudo , does it do the same thing as sudo gnome-theme-manager
[13:15] <somerville32> kumamoto, What do you want to accomplish?
[13:17] <kumamoto> some of the applications seems to have some generic look or default look and want to change them to look same the other one in there
[13:18] <somerville32> kumamoto, You can not.
[13:18] <kumamoto> thought so
[13:19] <somerville32> It is most likely because they're using a different Ui library
[13:19] <kumamoto> ah
[13:30] <mikubuntu> could anyone please tell me how to convert image from png to jpeg with gimp?
[13:34] <somerville32> mikubuntu, Just open and than saveas
[13:34] <somerville32> and change the file extension
[13:34] <mikubuntu> ok, thanks, got it
[13:35] <somerville32> np :]
[13:53] <mikubuntu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/2070702491/ .... we just installed ubuntu on my friends machine, and he boots up, then goes along a little while, until his screen does this (see photo link)... can anyone venture a guess as to the problem?
[13:55] <somerville32> Does restarting the X server fix it? (ie. ctrl + alt + del or rebooting)?
[13:56] <TheSheep> ctrl+del+backspace
[13:56] <somerville32> yea
[13:56] <nanonyme> indeed, ctrl+alt+del would reboot ^^
[13:57] <somerville32> ctrl+alt+del doesn't do that in Linux usually :P
[13:57] <nanonyme> depends
[13:57] <nanonyme> outside X it does
[13:57] <somerville32> indeed
[13:58] <nanonyme> often you don't even need to be root to do it
[13:58] <nanonyme> which is a bit odd
[13:59] <nanonyme> (considering you can always do that with ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+del then)
[14:04] <mikubuntu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/2070702491/ .... we just installed ubuntu on my friends machine, and he boots up, then goes along a little while, until his screen does this (see photo link)... can anyone venture a guess as to the problem?
[14:14] <mikubuntu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/2070702491/ .... we just installed ubuntu on my friends machine, and he boots up, then goes along a little while, until his screen does this (see photo link)... can anyone venture a guess as to the problem?
[14:28] <mikubuntu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/2070702491/ .... we just installed ubuntu on my friends machine, and he boots up, then goes along a little while, until his screen does this (see photo link)... can anyone venture a guess as to the problem?
[14:53] <agentnoob> is there some way I can copy file permissions from one file to another or several others?
[15:37] <jelly> Hi, my xubuntu 6.06.1 LTS laptop is taking very long time on doing "Checking root file system...", and there is no disk access.  How can I disable bootsplash and see what's actually happening on the console?
[15:37] <vinze> jelly, I believe you can press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[15:38] <jelly> vinze: I want to disable it completely for one boot
[15:39] <jelly> in any case, c-a-f1 doesn't work
[15:39] <vinze> jelly, I believe it needed some messing with /etc/fstab, but I'm not skilled enough to give you any advice on that
[15:40] <jelly> yup, fstab doesn't have anything to do with it.
[15:42] <jelly> solution: remove "splash" from kernel parameters in grub menu entry
[15:51] <methods> in gutsy can i use security as well as gutsy-security ?
[16:29] <stone[no]> Question: I've got xubuntu 7.10 and a wep wireless connection. Everytime I start up I have to type the password to open my "deafult" keyring. Is there a way to disable the password on the keyring?
[16:29] <vinze> stone[no], found with Google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192281
[16:33] <stone[no]> vinze: thanx :) I did find that thread when I searched yesterday...
[17:42] <Gadi> is it possible to disable right-click on the xfce4-panel?  Not just kiosk mode, but completely.
[17:42] <Gadi> Id even take disabling right click in xfwm4
[17:42] <Gadi> :)
[17:44] <ochosi> hi, since two days or so my laptops somethimes locks up during bootup. actually it locks up while loading the xserver, i would say. both keyboard and mouse are dead and my numlock and capslock are blinking - any idea what this could mean?
[17:44] <ochosi> (also my Xorg.log is a lot shorter when bootup isn't achieved as to when bootup is completed successfully)
[17:46] <ochosi> Gadi: i'm not sure whether this would work but have you tried setting Option "Buttons" "1" in the xorg.conf file?
[18:25] <zanzer7> how can I make Xubuntu recognise the RELEASE of a key when mapping shortcuts? (I'm interested in getting a "Super" key press open the applications menu, and have "Super + E" show Thunar, "Super + R" show run etc.)
[18:51] <Alyxander> hey anyone know how to create a desktop icon in e17?
[19:41] <RebelX> yo umm is there anything in synpatic for like unique ip clicks... any programs?
[19:42] <tonyyarusso> uh, what?
[19:42] <RebelX> u know like an autoclicker... it or something like that
[19:42] <RebelX> it goes to a site like 20times with a diff ip
[19:42] <RebelX> like an ip spoofer.....
[19:42] <RebelX> or something like that
[19:43] <tonyyarusso> ie, a way to illegal trick Google for adsense fraud?
[19:43] <RebelX> its not for google >_> lol
[19:43] <RebelX> do u know any programs for it though..... i dont know how to add sites to google anyway ?+?
[19:44] <anton> hi, i am searching a mediaplayer like amarok
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> No, I don't know of any way to fake an IP.
[19:44] <anton> but dont want kde-libs
[19:44] <PeckaH> anton: vlc
[19:45] <anton> but something more comfortable, please, with cover-search and songtext search and so
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> !players | anton
[19:45] <ubotu> anton: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[19:45] <PeckaH> quod libet
[19:46] <anton> mmh, something like amarok?
[19:46] <tonyyarusso> Banshee, Rhythmbox, and Exaile are the ones I mess with most frequently, although Listen and Quod Libet are also nice.
[19:46] <tonyyarusso> You'll have to try them and see which suits you best anton
[19:47] <anton> ohhhhhhh
[19:48] <RebelX> so no1 has an answer
[19:49] <zoredache> RebelX: or nobody wants to give you the answer
[19:50] <RebelX> well can some1 pls give me the answer >_>!
[19:50] <zoredache> Your question isn't particularly releated to xubuntu... you should search elsewhere
[19:50] <RebelX> is there a synpatic place for it?
[19:51] <Dieterbe> hi, to enable sending/receiving files/images to/from my sony ericsson cellphone, do i just i just have to install bluez? i actually already installed the "bluetooth" package which pulled in bluez, but i would like an icon that shows the bluetooth status, that lets me en/disable the bluetooth device, and notifies me of incoming file transfers.  how should i do this?
[19:52] <Dieterbe> i'm guessing gnome-bluetooth is what i want, but i don't know if it will work on xubuntu
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> Dieterbe: No idea, but topyli knows a fair bit about bluetooth phones
[19:55] <RebelX>                                           http://counters.gigya.com/wildfire/CIMP/Jmx*PTExOTYyNzcxNzczNjEmcHQ9MTE5NjI3NzE5NTY4NSZwPSZkPSZuPQ==.jpg
[19:55] <RebelX> oops
[19:58] <Spasterix> Hello
[19:58] <Spasterix> i have a question
[20:00] <zoredache> Just ask your question Spasterix
[20:01] <Spasterix> i want to install remote desktop in mu xubuntu
[20:01] <Spasterix> i want to connect with remote desktop from windows xp to xubuntu
[20:01] <zoredache> look at setting up x11vnc
[20:02] <Spasterix> i dont have monitor
[20:02] <Spasterix> just ssh =)
[20:02] <Catoptromancy> sounds like a plan
[20:02] <zoredache> so it is even easier... just install any vnc xerver
[20:02] <Catoptromancy> I have a PC without a monitor, could just remote desktop to it
[20:03] <Spasterix> yes.. i am install it
[20:03] <zoredache> either that, or install an xserver on windows, and run your X11 apps through ssh
[20:03] <Spasterix> so .. i have to install xserver on windows..
[20:03] <zoredache> no, you don't have to... I was just suggesting that as one way to remotely run gui apps from windows
[20:04] <zoredache> you can setup something like vnc, freenx, or maybe something else
[20:04] <Spasterix> i think .. i am install vnc on xubuntu
[20:05] <Spasterix> but .. how i can check out that
[20:23] <Seeeb> hey, i have i a problem with the "applications" menu. how can i move the "network" menu/button into the "system" menu
[20:24] <Seeeb> since right click on "applications" => modify menu does only contain terminal, thunar and execute but not system, network office etc..
[20:25] <Spasterix> VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Sep 10 2007 17:17:04
[20:25] <Spasterix> Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd.
[20:25] <Spasterix> See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC.
[20:25] <Spasterix> vncviewer: unable to open display ""
[20:25] <Spasterix> root@ns:/#
[20:26] <somerville32> Seeeb, known issue. No work around.
[20:27] <Seeeb> ok thanks
[20:27] <Spasterix> somerville32
[20:27] <Spasterix> how i can run that?
[20:27] <somerville32> Spasterix, What are you trying to do?
[20:28] <Spasterix> in mu xubuntu
[20:28] <Spasterix> i am intall vnc4 server
[20:28] <Spasterix> how i can connect with remote desktop there
[20:28] <somerville32> vncviewer <hostname>
[20:29] <somerville32> Is the vnc4 server running?
[20:29] <Spasterix> VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Sep 10 2007 17:17:04
[20:29] <Spasterix> Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd.
[20:29] <Spasterix> See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC.
[20:29] <Spasterix> vncviewer: unable to open display ""
[20:29] <Spasterix> root@ns:/#
[20:29] <somerville32> Why are you running it from root?
[20:29] <Spasterix> unable to open display
[20:29] <Spasterix> i dont know..
[20:30] <Spasterix> where you want to run it ?
[20:31] <Spasterix> hellooooo
[20:31] <somerville32> Spasterix, Maybe you should read the documentation for the vnc server? :]
[20:31] <somerville32> You might look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX btw
[20:31] <Spasterix> airstand@ns:~$ vncviewer ns.viewprofile.org
[20:31] <Spasterix> VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X - built Sep 10 2007 17:17:04
[20:31] <Spasterix> Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd.
[20:31] <Spasterix> See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC.
[20:31] <Spasterix> vncviewer: unable to open display ""
[20:31] <Spasterix> airstand@ns:~$
[20:31] <Spasterix> wont work again
[20:40] <Spasterix> ok..
[20:40] <Spasterix> i am run it ..
[20:40] <Spasterix> and now how i can connect from windows
[20:41] <somerville32> Spasterix, Download the vnc client for Windows.
[20:51] <Seeeb> hey, my lappy has got a security partition which gets mounted and displayed in the thunar menu EVEN THOUGH i deleted the entry out of my fstab
[20:51] <Seeeb> any ideas ?
[21:02] <Dieterbe> weird
[21:29] <civiXier> okay, here's my problem: ive got an 300mhz laptop that has no bootable cd, no diskette, no internet connection and no usb-ports. so I took out the hard drive, made it external with a cabinette, installed xubuntu on it, didnt install any boot manager, put it back in the laptop. now it says "error loading operating system". what did I do wrong, and what should I do next time?
[21:30] <somerville32> You need a boot manager.
[21:30] <somerville32> :P
[21:31] <civiXier> ah, I see. how do I know I install it to the same hdd then?
[21:31] <somerville32> Well, if you only have one hdd, hard to install it to another one
[21:32] <civiXier> nono, I took the hdd out from the lappy, put it in a external hdd cabinette, plugged it in to my other lappy and installed it from there :P
[21:33] <civiXier> so I actually have two hdds when I'm installing the os
[21:35] <civiXier> ah well, I think I'll figure it out now, thanx m8 ^^ if you by chance fall into sweden sometime ill buy you coffe ;)
[21:35] <civiXier> coffee
[21:53] <tonyyarusso> !grub | civiXier
[21:53] <ubotu> civiXier: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:53] <tonyyarusso> civiXier: Take it out again, and follow the Recovering...Windows instructions
[23:10] <jaybird7> hello
[23:10] <jaybird7>  i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46168/ when trying to install fluxbuntu after doing these options for installing the 32 on a amd64 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/32bitonAMD64, then after a while it asks me for my langauge and starts going through the install, should i add the pnpbios=off option or just go through the install?
[23:11] <evil_tech> why not ask that in #fluxbuntu
[23:12] <jaybird7> i did, the person who answered though wasnt certain of his/her answer
[23:12] <DOwner> i think you should try pnpbios=off and see what happens...
[23:13] <jaybird7> ok thanks, i am trying it so far it just says the one PCI error line and not the rest it said before
[23:13] <jaybird7> then sai dsomething and something and started the installer
[23:14] <evil_tech> and why why are there special instructions for installing 32 bit on AMD64?
[23:16] <jaybird7> i dont know im just following them, but for example with my laptop model people were reporting problems installing and people there said to do similiar looking things , so i figured it was best to follow , the thread im talking about is here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409815
[23:16] <jaybird7> i dont know that much about this stuff
[23:18] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:18] <evil_tech> cause im running on an sempron 64 and i didnt follow those instructions
[23:18] <evil_tech> seems to be working fine
[23:18] <evil_tech> though its a desktop
[23:18] <evil_tech> laptops are finicky
[23:25] <DOwner> I'm looking to get the Ubuntu RemoteDesktop function to work in Xubuntu
[23:26] <DOwner> i can get vnc just now but its not the same as it is in Ubuntu
[23:27] <miles> Hi there
[23:27] <evil_tech> hola
[23:28] <DOwner> howdy
[23:28] <miles> I'm trying to install Compiz Fusion on Xubuntu 7.10 "minimal", installed the "compiz" package, but "compiz --replace" does nothing
[23:28] <miles> Graphic Card is a Intel GMA950
[23:28] <miles> Error message : "Checking for XGL : not present"
[23:29] <evil_tech> did you install xserver-xgl?
[23:29] <miles> "No Whitelist driver found / aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity / no /usr/bin/metacity found, exiting"
[23:29] <miles> Is this needed for an Intel chipset?
[23:30] <evil_tech> yes
[23:30] <miles> It supposedly include AIGLX right ?
[23:30] <evil_tech> its needed for any chip
[23:30] <evil_tech> no
[23:30] <evil_tech> not that i know of
[23:31] <evil_tech> AIGLX is a different way to do the same thing XGL does
[23:31] <evil_tech> could be wrong though
[23:33] <miles> Trying it
[23:33] <miles> (It has to fit in a 1Gb SD Card btw)
[23:34] <miles> Is a script needed to launch xserver-xgl on gdm login?
[23:34] <CArenas2> hello all.
[23:34] <CArenas2> i come seeking knowledge :-)
[23:34] <jaybird7> the installer is telling me this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46174/  what should i do?
[23:35] <jaybird7> wrong room, but ill take any advice :)
[23:35] <CArenas2> i am running xubuntu gutsy, and when i put in a music cd totem auto launches
[23:36] <CArenas2> i would like to change it so that gxine launches instead, but am not sure where to make that config edit
[23:36] <CArenas2> any advice?
[23:36] <evil_tech> jaybird7:you need to set swap space
[23:36] <evil_tech> CArenas2:Applications-> Settings-> Preferred Applications
[23:37] <evil_tech> could be wrong though
[23:37] <evil_tech> dang it i am
[23:37] <evil_tech> ignore that
[23:37] <CArenas2> evil_tech: that was my first guess too :-)
[23:38] <evil_tech> i cant remember where its at. too used to dragging and dropping the application in fluxbuntu
[23:39] <miles> Okay, so Xserver-XGL did not do the trick
[23:39] <evil_tech> jaybird7: if you dont need swap though you can skip past by not going to the partitioning menu
[23:40] <jaybird7> okay thanks
[23:40] <jaybird7> how much swap space should i have
[23:40] <evil_tech> twice the amount of ram is usually fine
[23:40] <evil_tech> depends on how much ram you have and what you are doing
[23:40] <evil_tech> i have a gig and i never touch swap
[23:41] <jaybird7> i have 1.93 to 2 gigs of ram, and i want to be able to use blender3d, gimp, inkscape, scribus, python, web browser, openoffice, etc
[23:43] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:43] <jaybird7> i didnt mean i want to use those all at the same time neccearily :)
[23:43] <evil_tech> i'm not sure how those run. i just use this system for basic stuff
[23:44] <evil_tech> i'd say go for 512mb swap. you can always resize later
[23:44] <jaybird7> ok thank you
[23:49] <evil_tech> CArenas2: you figure out how to change what opens the file
[23:50] <CArenas2> not yet
[23:55] <evil_tech> right click on a file-> open with->open with other application. choose your application and check the box at the bottom to always use that app
[23:57] <miles> Compiz Fusion slowly gooting to work... Current error: "No GLXBFConfig for defaut depth, this isn't going to work". Any clue?
[23:58] <evil_tech> nope. never messed with compiz enough to know what that might mean or how to fix it
[23:58] <evil_tech> specially on a minimal install of xubuntu


[02:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#1395 opened: [WIP] python plugin: track the python packages installed during build <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1395>
[10:03] <mup> PR snapd#3491 closed: snapd: generate snap cookies on startup <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3491>
[10:13] <mup> PR snapd#3562 closed: systemd: add explicit sync to snapd.core-fixup.sh <Created by mvo5> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3562>
[11:26] <mup> PR snapd#3570 opened: asserts: fix error handling in snap-developer consistency check <Created by atomatt> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3570>
[11:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#1396 opened: rust plugin: unset http_proxy for test_cross_compile <Created by chihchun> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1396>
[12:10] <mup> PR snapd#3571 opened: cmd/snap-repair: recover brand/model from /var/lib/snapd/seed/assertions checking signatures and brand account <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3571>
[12:19] <mup> PR snapd#3572 opened: store: do not send empty refresh requests <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3572>
[12:19] <pedronis> pstolowski: hi, do you know who else is around today?
[12:28] <pstolowski> pedronis, hi! probably just us
[12:30] <pedronis> pstolowski: when you have a 2nd could you look at snapd#3572, it's tiny, and related to the first point here:  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/development-sprint-june-26th-2017/415/44
[12:30] <mup> PR snapd#3572: store: do not send empty refresh requests <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3572>
[12:32] <pstolowski> pedronis, sure will do. i'm in the perfect mood for reviews today ;)
[12:34] <pedronis> thx
[12:34] <pstolowski> pedronis, I think we will skip the standup?
[12:34] <pedronis> if it's really just the two of us, yes
[12:36] <pstolowski> pedronis, btw I asked for your ack on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3501
[12:36] <mup> PR snapd#3501: store: orders API now checks if customer is ready <Created by cjwatson> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3501>
[12:37] <pedronis> pstolowski: yes, if I can look at it later
[12:38] <pedronis> pstolowski: trying to finish a bunch of things I promised to have PRs for before leaving on holidays
[12:43] <mup> PR snapd#3570 closed: asserts: fix error handling in snap-developer consistency check <Created by atomatt> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3570>
[12:54] <cachio> morphis, hey
[12:54] <morphis> cachio: hey
[12:54] <pstolowski> looks like there is one more working today, hey cachio !
[12:54] <pstolowski> pedronis, ^
[12:55] <cachio> morphis, yesterday gustavo asked to me to continue with the work you have done porting the tests to fedora
[12:55] <cachio> hey pstolowski
[12:55] <morphis> cachio: ah nice!
[12:55] <morphis> cachio: it's for Fedora and openSUSE
[12:55] <cachio> morphis, ok, did you push everything?
[12:56] <morphis> cachio: a first set is at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3505
[12:56] <mup> PR snapd#3505: PLEASE IGNORE: Enable more tests for suse and fedora <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3505>
[12:57] <cachio> morphis, good, I'll take this if you agree
[12:57] <morphis> cachio: that would be awesome!
[12:58] <cachio> morphis, ok, after this pr, did you have any plans?
[13:00] <morphis> cachio: this PR only enables the first chunk of tests and only tests/main
[13:00] <morphis> it leaves out the other test suites
[13:01] <morphis> a lot of preparation for that landed already but it's now a step-by-step-process
[13:03] <pstolowski> pedronis, hey, three of us today, wanna join HO?
[13:10] <jdstrand> pstolowski, pedronis: hey, do you have any idea why with latest spread and unmodified upstream/master for snapd, why I would have this for spread tests: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25039266/. I ran get-deps.sh. It seems a problem with the debian packaging, but the tests pass in travis...
[13:10]  * jdstrand is puzzled
[13:11] <jdstrand> pstolowski, pedronis: if you don't know otoh, I can ask mvo or zyga on monday
[13:13] <pstolowski> jdstrand, no idea, i haven't experienced it.. any leftovers in your git tree maybe? git clean .. ?
[13:14] <jdstrand> pstolowski: it is a checkout of upstream/master... let me try
[13:18] <pstolowski> jdstrand, i need to run a quick errand, bb in ~40. let me know how it goes, i'll also try it when i'm back
[13:20] <jdstrand> pstolowski: I seemed to have some snap-confine tests lingering that were gitignored. hopefully that was it. thanks for the pointer! :)
[13:20] <jdstrand> hmm, that wasn't it, but will try some other things
[13:24] <morphis> cachio: do you need anything more from me?
[13:26] <cachio> morphis, just to know if there is a step already planned after this PR
[13:26] <morphis> cachio: you got my last messages before you left?
[13:29] <cachio> no
[13:29] <cachio> this is the last one morphis> cachio: that would be awesome!
[13:29] <morphis> ah
 cachio: this PR only enables the first chunk of tests and only tests/main
[13:29] <morphis>  it leaves out the other test suites
[13:29] <morphis>  a lot of preparation for that landed already but it's now a step-by-step-process
[13:31] <pedronis> jdstrand: sorry, no idea, sounds a mvo question for next week
[13:31] <cachio> morphis, nice
[13:31] <jdstrand> pstolowski: fyi, it seems to be something in that tree. if I do a git clone anew, it works. so I'll do some diffing
[13:31] <jdstrand> pedronis: thanks
[13:31] <morphis> cachio: ping me if you have any further questions
[13:31] <cachio> morphis, sure, thanks
[13:31] <morphis> cachio: thanks for taking this further!
[13:38] <cachio> morphis, yaw
[14:17] <pstolowski> jdstrand, cool, so all good?
[14:43] <mup> PR snapd#3572 closed: store: do not send empty refresh requests <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3572>
[14:48] <pstolowski> pedronis, easy one if you have a speare moment today - https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3564
[14:48] <mup> PR snapd#3564: tests: speedup prepare statement part 1 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3564>
[15:04] <jdstrand> pstolowski: not yet. I think it might be something down in vendor/
[15:05] <pstolowski> jdstrand, ah! now I remember
[15:05] <jdstrand> pstolowski: I'll get there. the only thing left in the diff is stuff in vendor/. I'll just blow it away and run govendor
[15:05] <pstolowski> jdstrand, I hit this exact issue a month ago
[15:05] <jdstrand> pstolowski: oh, do tell :)
[15:05] <pstolowski> jdstrand, remove vendor alltogether, get-deps again. that's what mvo suggested to me
[15:05] <pstolowski> it helped
[15:06] <jdstrand> ah right, that was what I was going to try
[15:06] <jdstrand> cool
[15:07] <pstolowski> jdstrand, there was a change in on of these packages
[15:07] <pstolowski> jdstrand, sorry it didn't occur to me earlier
[15:08] <jdstrand> pstolowski: no worries at all. I actually improved how I do cleanups as a result, so that is good :)
[15:20] <SylvieLorxu> Is there any way to just run snapcraft on Debian without the whole LXD container stuff? Debian Testing here
[15:23] <jdstrand> pstolowski: fyi:
[15:23] <jdstrand> 2017/07/07 15:18:27 Successful tasks: 1
[15:23] <jdstrand> 2017/07/07 15:18:27 Aborted tasks: 0
[15:23] <jdstrand> pstolowski: thanks for your help :)
[15:24] <pstolowski> \o/
[15:42] <mup> PR snapd#3573 opened: overlord: always try to get a serial, be lazy on classic with no special store, nor any snaps <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3573>
[15:55] <mup> PR snapd#3564 closed: tests: speedup prepare statement part 1 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3564>
[16:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#1397 opened: waf: Enable cross-compilation support  <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1397>
[18:15] <kyrofa> Hey jdstrand, pci[0-9]* matches like file globbing, not regex, right? pci, followed by a single number, followed by anything else?
[18:16] <kyrofa> (talking apparmor here, sorry)
[18:16] <jdstrand> kyrofa: yep
[18:16] <kyrofa> Okay good
[18:16] <kyrofa> jdstrand, thanks for the ping :)
[18:17] <jdstrand> np :)
[18:19] <jdstrand> kyrofa: also, /* matches any files in '/', /*/ matches any directories in '/' and /** matches all files, directories and any files and subdirectories under '/'
[18:20] <jdstrand> kyrofa: I suspect that will come in handy with what you'll be looking at (there are plenty of examples of this in interfaces/builtin
[18:23] <kyrofa> jdstrand, I actually understand those, because it LOOKS like globbing
[18:23] <kyrofa> jdstrand, the other patterns look like regex, and fool me almost every time
[18:24] <kyrofa> jdstrand, I spent a few minutes thinking the profile was totally broken because it wasn't accounting for colons :P
[18:36] <jdstrand> kyrofa: man apparmor.d discusses AARE, but yeah, it looks like regex. if you don't do it all the time, it is easy to forget
[19:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#1398 opened: tests: fix issues with python 3.6 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1398>
[20:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#1365 closed: Add Ruby Plugin <Created by jamesbeedy> <Closed by jamesbeedy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1365>
[21:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#1399 opened: plugins: add ruby plugin <Created by jamesbeedy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1399>


[12:19] <Jerub> 2.2.9a is basically trunk, and is the package in ubuntu
[12:26] <lifeless> so, please file a bug on the kernel source package (linux-source in launchpad)
[12:26] <lifeless> BenC: ^
[12:27] <lifeless> Jerub: I was hoping BenC would be around, but hes apparently not, and infinity is ill I think
[12:27] <BenC> linux-source-2.6.X
[12:27] <lifeless> ah-ha, da man is here
[12:27] <lifeless> BenC: any chance of including this ?
[12:28] <BenC> Jerub: send me the patch, or paste a link to it here
[12:28] <Jerub> http://www.netfilter.org/projects/ipset/index.html
[12:29] <Jerub> weird.
[12:29] <BenC> I don't see a patch
[12:30] <lifeless> Jerub: its in patch-o-matic
[12:31] <Jerub> the main site for it looks down now
[12:31] <Jerub> was up yesterday I thought
[12:31] <lifeless> its in p-o-m base
[12:31] <lifeless> I think
[12:31] <BenC> http://www.netfilter.org/projects/patch-o-matic/index.html ?
[12:31] <lifeless> http://www.netfilter.org/projects/patch-o-matic/pom-base.html
[12:31] <BenC> which patch?
[12:32] <BenC> iptbles "set" match?
[12:32] <Jerub> that's the one
[12:33] <BenC> maybe I'm being dense, but I don't see a patch, just a desc
[12:33] <Jerub> you're right, I don't see a downloadable patch either
[12:33] <lifeless> I'm digging a little
[12:34] <BenC> brb
[12:34] <Jerub> I have the patch we apply to our own kernels, but I'd rather make sure to use the current upstream on
[12:35] <lifeless> is it not http://svn.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/ipset/ ?
[12:36] <kylem> lifeless, that's the userspace tool
[12:36] <lifeless> kylem: dang. I was hoping it wasn't ;)
[12:36] <kylem> :)
[12:37] <lifeless> Jerub: so I'm pretty sure that its in 'base' - but I dont know what tha tmeans
[12:38] <Jerub> lifeless: I think it's accessable via the 'patch-o-match-ng' program
[12:38] <kylem> this is by far the most convoluted piece of crap i've ever seen.
[12:38] <Jerub> but as I'm not the kernel developer on my team, and he's in england, I'm not sure how to use it.
[12:39] <lifeless> http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.2
[12:39] <lifeless> garhfuckle
[12:39] <lifeless> http://svn.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/patch-o-matic-ng/patchlets/set/
[12:40] <kylem> so, uhm, i don't see anything in here that requires patching.
[12:40] <lifeless> theres a pom-to-patch program that may be useful
[12:40] <kylem> it seems to be entirely standalone.
[12:41] <lifeless> yay for modular code
[12:41] <lifeless> kylem: you're looking at the netfilter kernel module now ?
[12:42] <lifeless> Jerub: what you do is svn checkout the patch-o-matic-ng svn tree
[12:42] <lifeless> Jerub: then run the pom tools to get a patch out, or apply it or whatever
[12:42] <lifeless> Jerub: so I suggest doing that in pom2patch mode
[12:42] <kylem> lifeless, as far as i can see, they would be able to provide an external module and just build against headers like others do.
[12:44] <lifeless> kylem: you're the kernel guy ;). I'm just facilitating.
[12:48] <BenC> [    0.072411]  Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware
[12:48] <BenC> sweet
[12:53] <kylem> hot.
[12:57] <Jerub> BenC: I'll get that patch for you shortly.
[02:38] <zul> hmm?
[02:42] <zul> BenC: ping...which paravirt are you running?
[02:43] <BenC> the stock 2.6.20 paravirt, but with vmware's VMI patches
[02:43] <BenC> for some reason my vmware isn't causing this kernel to show that it's using vmi paravirt though
[02:44] <zul> cool
[02:45] <zul> there should be some xen-paravirt patches being sent to akpm soon
[02:48] <zul> macd: i dont have the problem if im not using ioemu
[03:13] <Jerub> okay, I've built the patch, took a bit of wedging
[03:14] <Jerub> http://shiny.thorne.id.au/~stephen/set-2.6.20.patch
[03:18] <BenC> Jerub: Hmm...not sure about this one...File a wishlist bug on linux-source-2.6.20 and attach this patch to it, and I'll review it more in the next week
[03:20] <BenC> Jerub: Why would people need to build a new kernel for this?
[03:20] <BenC> It doesn't touch kernel code, just adds a module, which can be built just using the linux-headers packages
[03:22] <Jerub> BenC: I honestly have no idea.
[03:22] <BenC> Jerub: Save yourself the trouble of the bug report, this can be packages and/or built separately from the kernel
[03:22] <BenC> s/packages/packaged/
[03:22] <Jerub> excellent.
[03:25] <lifeless> Jerub: the motu team may be willing to do that for you
[03:25] <Jerub> okay, how do I ask this of them?
[03:25] <Jerub> :)
[03:26] <BenC> #ubuntu-motu? I think that's the channel
[03:27] <zul> yep
[03:27] <lifeless> thts the channel
[04:01] <BenC> crimsun: ping
[05:29] <crimsun> BenC: pong
[05:43] <BenC> crimsun: I have small issue that I've been meaning to ask you about
[05:44] <BenC> my HP dv5000 laptop with HDA Intel sound doesn't have very high volume
[05:44] <BenC> I checked alsamixer and everything's max'd
[05:44] <BenC> was the same with 2.6.17, and still the same with 2.6.20 latest git
[05:45] <crimsun> BenC: realtek or conexant codec?
[05:45] <crimsun> (head -3 /proc/asound/card0/codec* )
[05:45] <BenC> Conexant
[05:45] <crimsun> ok, that's the issue that Rich Johnson (nixternal) reported
[05:46] <crimsun> it's supposed to be fixed in alsa-driver 1.0.14rc1, but alsa's git/hg trees lack sound/pci/hda/patch_conexant.c
[05:46] <crimsun> so what needs to be done is to pull in that file and any necessary changes to sound/pci/hda/hda*.c
[05:47] <crimsun> sorry, alsa hg -does- contain those fixes
[05:47] <BenC> is there a quick way I can get the alsa tree?
[05:47] <crimsun> but what takashi and jaroslav have pushed to linus does not contain them
[05:47] <crimsun> hg clone http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel
[05:47] <crimsun> and
[05:47] <BenC> I have mercurial
[05:48] <crimsun> hg clone http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver
[05:48] <BenC> I need also driver updates too?
[05:48] <BenC> alsa
[05:48] <BenC> was hoping it was just kernel :)
[05:48] <crimsun> one sec
[05:49] <crimsun> just -kernel
[05:49] <BenC> ok
[05:57] <BenC> crimsun: what do I need to shutdown to release the ref counts on the snd modules?
[05:58] <crimsun> this should do it: kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[05:58] <lifeless> fugly
[06:49] <BenC> crimsun: Yay, I have loud sound!
[06:49] <BenC> problem is, I rebuilt all of alsa to install it
[06:49] <BenC> crimsun: Anyway you can isolate the patches needed for patch_conexant.c?
[06:51] <crimsun> BenC: err, all of alsa (meaning -libs, -utils, too)?
[06:53] <crimsun> BenC: well, you need patch_conexant.c for sure. I'll dig through some history and see if sound/pci/hda/hda* need to be patched (I vaguely remember some additional changes there)
[06:53] <BenC> all of alsa-kernel
[06:54] <crimsun> ah
[06:55] <BenC> had to reset my mixer settings, so hopefully just the conexant changes wont affect that
[06:55] <crimsun> ok, yeah, I'm positive the changes you need are restricted to sound/pci/hda/{hda*,patch_conexant.c}
[06:56] <crimsun> git pull over a 56kbps is fun!
[06:56] <BenC> hehe, I can get just the hda subdir for you if you want
[06:56] <BenC> you might need the history though
[07:02] <crimsun> hmm, some workqueue changes I'm not familiar w/
[07:02] <crimsun> is
[07:02] <crimsun> destroy_workqueue(bus->unsol->workq);
[07:02] <crimsun> deprecated in favor of:
[07:03] <crimsun> flush_scheduled_work();
[07:12] <fabbione> BenC: booting ppc now
[07:19] <fabbione> BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/IMG_4054.JPG
[07:19] <fabbione> this is the best shot i can get
[07:19] <fabbione> it's a bit out of focus
[07:21] <BenC> that's a hairy looking oops
[07:21] <BenC> udevtrigger, with only two modules loaded, failed to allocate memory
[07:22] <fabbione> i get that on -1- too now
[07:22] <fabbione> WTF
[07:23] <fabbione> this is random
[07:23] <fabbione> now -5- is booting
[07:23] <fabbione> after 10 attempts
[07:23] <BenC> are the oopses always the same?
[07:23] <fabbione> yes
[07:41] <BenC> you might have to pass that one by benh
[07:41] <BenC> is it stable once you get it booted?
[07:41] <crimsun> BenC: 3 patches against current ubuntu-2.6.git sent to kernel-team@ ; the last (patch_conexant.c) is awaiting moderation
[07:45] <BenC> ok, thanks
[07:45] <fabbione> BenC: looks like it
[07:45] <BenC> I'll let you know if that by itself fixes things up
[07:46] <crimsun> ok, thanks
[07:46] <BenC> fabbione: Must be a race on initialization for one of the kmem_caches to get setup
[07:46] <fabbione> BenC: pushing to benh
[07:54] <lifeless> hmm, I have no sound :(
[07:55] <fabbione> lifeless: did you wash your hears? :P
[07:55] <lifeless> new motherboard
[07:55] <lifeless> ah, fixed it
[07:56] <lifeless> reload the sound modules.
[07:56] <lifeless> possibly it would not have broken if I had rebooted when changing the motherboard
[08:06] <fabbione>   * ubuntu/mol: Fixes to build again. Fabio owes me a beer.
[08:06] <fabbione>     - GIT-SHA f57afa67e6410d9c3a21d3bf64fb4274c8d83bd2
[08:06] <fabbione> BenC: you bet.. if it works :)
[08:27] <fabbione> BenC:
[08:27] <fabbione> ubuntu/fs/gfs/ops_file.c: In function 'gfs_aio_read':
[08:27] <fabbione> ubuntu/fs/gfs/ops_file.c:452: error: 'buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
[08:27] <fabbione> ubuntu/fs/gfs/ops_file.c:452: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[08:27] <fabbione> ubuntu/fs/gfs/ops_file.c:452: error: for each function it appears in.)
[08:27] <fabbione> ubuntu/fs/gfs/ops_file.c:452: error: 'count' undeclared (first use in this function)
[08:27] <fabbione> ubuntu/fs/gfs/ops_file.c: At top level:
[08:27] <fabbione> ubuntu/fs/gfs/ops_file.c:1739: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
[08:28] <fabbione> the gfs_aio_read change you did needs to be propagated somehow to __gfs_read
[08:28] <BenC> shut, I didn't mean for that to go in
[08:28] <BenC> shit
[08:28] <BenC> I'll fix it...it will compile, but it will still be broken
[08:29] <fabbione> actually.. ok
[08:29] <fabbione> is it enough to revert that bit?
[08:29] <fabbione> or should i propagate the iovec.iobase as buf?
[08:29] <fabbione> yeah broken i know
[08:31] <fabbione> BenC: if it is the only line to revert, please leave it to me
[08:31] <fabbione> i have a bunch of updates in progress
[08:41] <BenC> sure
[08:41] <fabbione> thanks
[08:41] <fabbione> can i just push to people.. right?
[08:41] <fabbione> it's only gfs1 stuff.. so don't worry.. it won't clash with other changes
[08:42] <BenC> Sure, just follow the commit templates so the changelog gets update right
[08:43] <fabbione> yeps
[08:43] <fabbione> i doubt it will be ready before the meeting
[08:43] <fabbione> i am hoping to give it at least a test
[10:20] <fabbione> BenC: .20-6 looks good on PPC.. mol too
[04:19] <fabbione> BenC: read the scrollback :)
[04:19] <BenC> fabbione: No oopses from -6?
[04:19] <fabbione> BenC: do you know if it's possible to run mol in a window instead of full screen? i can't get to switch back to X
[04:19] <fabbione> BenC: apparently no
[04:20] <fabbione> and still fighting with the network.. but that's probably just my setup
[04:20] <BenC> fabbione: Somewhere in /etc/mol/ you can set it up to use an X window instead of framebuffer
[04:20] <fabbione> BenC: ok cool
[04:21] <BenC> I was switching between fullscreen framebuffer and X when I was using it though...not sure why it wouldn't work for you
[04:21] <fabbione> how? alt+ctrl+f7 ?
[04:27] <BenC> yeah
[04:27] <fabbione> hmm
[04:27] <fabbione> i will have to test that again
[05:10] <zul> hey
[05:49] <doko> hmm, my notebook doesn't boot anymore after installation of l-r-m :-(
[05:49] <thom> doko: atheros?
[05:49] <doko> thom: yes
[05:49] <thom> launchpad #76294
[05:50] <doko> great!
[07:01] <IDOIT> hi all
[07:02] <IDOIT> i know that /dev/mem is an image of the physical memory ..
[07:02] <IDOIT> but i couldn't cat /dev/mem > file
[07:02] <IDOIT> it says Operationg not permitted .. why ?
[07:03] <IDOIT> more specifically .. i can copy the first 1.1 MB of it (using dd)
[07:03] <IDOIT> i'm using 2.6.15-27-amd64-generic
[07:05] <IDOIT> sorry .. is it a specific ubunto issue or it's a Linux kernel issue .. googling for it didn't help
[07:32] <pmjdebruijn> IDOIT, the Ubuntu kernel isn't heavily modified, so it's probably a generic Linux issue (but this is just an educated guess)
[07:33] <IDOIT> pmjdebruijn: this is my guess too .. but cause googling for this issue showed that this operation could be done normally "cat /dev/mem" ..
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> IDOIT, how is the example article dated?
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> IDOIT, wait, do your have root priviledges?
[07:34] <IDOIT> yes
[07:34] <kylem> what you can do with /dev/mem varies by architecture.
[07:35] <IDOIT> i know that it's an image of physical mem
[07:35] <pmjdebruijn> kylem, any clue why AMD64 is limited?
[07:36] <IDOIT> and i got the same result from intel 32 and AMD64
[07:36] <kylem> pmjdebruijn, probably so that you can only read the BIOS, but that is just a guess.
[08:49] <BenC> wow, vmware has a mac beta
[09:07] <BenC> crimsun: Those conexant patches worked for me
[09:11] <lifeless> BenC: mac intel ?
[09:11] <BenC> lifeless: I would bet it isn't for ppc
[09:26] <tumbleweed> I'm getting no sound on ati-ixp audio after hibernation resume (in feisty)
[09:30] <Nafallo> BenC: would it be helpful if I recompile the current git and use rt2x00 instead of rt2500-legacy?
[09:30] <BenC> You can try, but it doesn't work for my rt2500 cards
[09:31] <Nafallo> ah, you've already tried.
[09:31] <Nafallo> damn. I was hoping they would have came farther with it :-/
[09:32] <Nafallo> thanks anyway. I'll put it down a bit on the prioritylist then :-)
[12:05] <BenC> VMI: Found VMware, Inc. Hypervisor OPROM, API version 3.0, ROM version 0.3
[12:05] <BenC> VMI: ROM license 'Proprietary' taints kernel... inlining disabled
[12:05] <BenC> Booting paravirtualized kernel on vmi
[12:05] <BenC> sweetness
[12:06] <kylem> no more crashes?
[12:07] <kylem> ah.
[12:07] <kylem> i see.
[12:07] <kylem> :)
[12:07] <BenC> had to add "acpi=off noapic" to get it to boot


[00:00] <cjwatson> infinity: I think actually three busted nodes.  The thing with Cleaning is that if a lot of instance resets are sitting there for minutes failing to boot, then they can starve the instance reset workers of resources.
[00:01]  * infinity nods.
[00:01] <infinity> cjwatson: Has anyone managed to come up with a reproducer that we can throw at IBM and say "fix, pls"?
[00:02] <cjwatson> Not to my knowledge.
[00:02] <infinity> cjwatson: Like some sort of "run qemu in a loop really fast and watch the world burn" thing?
[00:02] <teward> infinity: are autopkgtests taking eons or is it just me?
[00:02] <cjwatson> I believe William tried that kind of thing and failed to come up with a reproducer.
[00:02] <infinity> teward: Everything is taking eons, welcome to autosync.
[00:02] <cjwatson> teward: Look at the queue lengths on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml
[00:02] <teward> heheh
[00:03] <infinity> teward: You'd be better off ignoring reports and migrations and such for a couple of days, it's lower stress that way.
[00:03] <teward> cjwatson: eww
[00:03] <cjwatson> Don't expect stuff that lands on the end of it to come out very soon
[00:03] <teward> infinity: ack, thanks for accepting the SRU (with the pending yakkety-proposed -> yakkety migration being stuck)
[00:03] <infinity> teward: yakkety'll get there eventually.  Just stop babysitting and find something more fun to do. :)
[00:03] <cjwatson> I would be astonished if migrations weren't mostly stuck right now. :-)
[00:04] <teward> infinity: was actually just checking is all, though what the running page shows and proposed migration excuses show don't match :p
[00:04]  * teward was just curious
[00:04] <teward> I was more concerned about that SRU than I was yakkety, 'cause Yakkety will land eventually :p
[00:04] <infinity> teward: excuses shows the state as of the last time it was generated.  Which was a while ago.
[00:04] <infinity> (Because everything is slow right now, blah blah)
[00:06] <teward> heheh
[00:06] <teward> indeed
[00:10] <cjwatson> [6~[6~$ curl -s http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/2016-04-26/20:00:02.log | grep Updated: | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f2
[00:10] <cjwatson> 2824
[00:10] <cjwatson> $ curl -s http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/2016-04-26/20:00:02.log | grep Updated: | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f2
[00:10] <cjwatson> 2824
[00:12] <cjwatson> Sigh, sorry for the dup
[01:53] <Laney> xnox: I should say it's because there are NBS packages in yakkety which are bad, for example libboost-context-dev.
[08:41] <mapreri> infinity: ! thank you ♥
[09:18] <xnox> Laney, found it
[09:19] <xnox> doko, pitti - please cleanup NBS of boost-defaults on s390x, as in please remove
[09:19] <xnox> libboost-coroutine-dev <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 s390x
[09:19] <xnox> libboost-context-dev <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 s390x
[09:19] <pitti> xnox: hm, that's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html ?
[09:20] <xnox> pitti, it's NBS on some arches only. It is built practically everywhere, apart from a few niche arches.
[09:20] <xnox> pitti, e.g. it is valid on all other arches....
[09:20] <pitti> well yes, but the nbs report is supposed to have that
[09:22] <xnox> pitti, there is libboost-doc <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 yakkety all too
[09:22] <xnox> from rmadison
[09:28] <pitti> xnox: removed
[10:12] <xnox> doko, pitti, infinity - could you please promote libboost-random1.60.0 and libboost-regex1.60.0 to main?
[10:12] <xnox> otherwise ceph will not migrate...
[10:12] <xnox> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ceph
[10:12] <pitti> ah yes, it's on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.txt
[10:13] <doko> publisher runs are slooowwww
[10:13] <pitti> err, wait -- libboost-random1.60.0 does not exist at all in rmadison
[10:14] <pitti> sorry, looked in xenial
[10:14] <xnox> >_<
[10:14]  * xnox was like surely the world would be on fire
[10:14] <pitti> yeah, publishers, testing, everything will be a tarpit for the next days
[10:14] <pitti> rmadison is also dog slow, FWIW
[10:15] <pitti> xnox: so why is change-override yelling at me
[10:15] <pitti> $ change-override -s xenial-proposed -c main libboost-random1.60.0 libboost-regex1.60.0 libdatrie1-udeb libthai-data-udeb libthai0-udeb
[10:15] <xnox> pitti, s/xenial/yakkety/ ?
[10:15] <pitti> don't say anything
[10:15] <pitti> xnox: same error, though
[10:15] <pitti> lputils.PackageMissing: Could not find binaries for 'libboost-random1.60.0/None' in yakkety-proposed
[10:15] <pitti> ah, that's already in yakkety
[10:15] <pitti> this is utterly confusing
[10:16] <pitti> promoting some binaries in -proposed, some in -release, and hoping that LP/britney will DTRT on landing -proposed packages
[10:16] <doko> outdated reports?
[10:17] <pitti> xnox: ok, promoted the lot in y-release; I hope that shines through to yakkety-proposed, let me know if it still doesn't work in an hour or so
[10:17] <xnox> doko, not really. thanks to my patches to britney components missmatches must be satisfied before things migrate.
[10:18] <xnox> thus e.g. one has to promote things in -release, for packages to migrate from -proposed to -release if they pull new things into main.
[10:18] <xnox> pitti, ok, thanks.
[11:05] <mdeslaur> infinity: did anyone answer you yesterday? it's scrolled out of my scrollback buffer, what was it for, apt?
[11:05] <mdeslaur> infinity: oh, looks like you did it, never mind
[11:06] <Odd_Bloke> If someone could migrate gce-utils from (partner) xenial-proposed to xenial, it would be much appreciated. :)
[12:44] <xnox> Err:11 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com yakkety-updates Release
[12:44] <xnox>   404  Not Found
[12:44] <xnox> pitti, ^ is that normal? =)
[12:51] <pitti> xnox: I'm getting similar errors from the ddeb-retriever builders since yakkety's creation; I haven't investigated that yet
[12:51] <pitti> i. e. ddeb-retriever cannot find yakkety-updates indexes on the archive (which I don't understand, they are there)
[12:51] <xnox> ack.
[12:52] <xnox> pitti, ceph looks good now, it now progressed to scheduling autopkgtests....
[12:52] <pitti> xnox: so, on my list, but not top prio
[12:52] <xnox> 600 more armhf builds to go, 2k autopkgtests and can start investigating fall out =)
[12:53] <pitti> 600? that was quick
[12:54] <pitti> xnox: ah, it's more like 1900 :)
[12:54] <xnox> 600 builds to go on https://launchpad.net/builders =) 2k autopkgtests pending ;-)
[12:55] <pitti> oh right, sorry
[12:55] <pitti> xnox: yeah, isn't opening week fun :)
[12:55] <pitti> xnox: we had > 5000 tests per arch this morning, I already short-circuited most of the perl ones
[12:56] <xnox> cheat
[12:56] <pitti> well, it wasn't a new upstream release or so, just a debian rev with three relatively small chagnes; so running only some tests was good enough
[12:57] <pitti> otherwise doko would haunt me for not landing anything at all any more :)
[13:40] <Odd_Bloke> Should amd64/i386 be absent from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/ ?
[13:41] <xnox> yes
[13:41] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, amd64/i386 is on releases.ubuntu.com
[13:41] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Of course, how silly of me. ;)
[13:41] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, think [archive|ports].ubuntu.com
[13:43] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Ack, that's helpful, thanks.
[13:50] <cjwatson> pitti: it occurred to me that the ddeb-retriever errors are maybe it complaining about its own archive, not archive.u.c?
[13:50] <cjwatson> pitti: since it is indeed true that /srv/ddebs.ubuntu.com/www/dists/yakkety-updates/ doesn't exist
[14:19] <xnox> cjwatson, pitti - my compaint is about ddebs.ubuntu.com missing yakkety-updates initialisation.
[14:19] <xnox> also xenial-security is missing
[14:19] <pitti> xnox: yes, understood
[14:20] <xnox> huh, -security is missing on all after trusty
[14:20] <pitti> xnox: -security isn't a thing on ddebs
[14:20] <xnox> ok
[14:20] <pitti> we always immediately copy -security to -updates
[14:20] <pitti> for better mirror load
[14:21] <xnox> then just yakkety-updates was not (yet) created on ddebs.
[14:53] <pitti> infinity, slangasek: can you please have a look at my last comment in bug 1547466 ? i. e. do you agree that we should just SRU grep 2.25 wholesale or should I continue monkey-patching this?
[14:55] <stokachu> is getting a MRE for my packages the way to go in order to have newer features (in addition to bug fixes) approved for xenial? packages im referring to are in universe (conjure-up, bigdata, openstack)
[15:59] <infinity> pitti: I'm inclined to agree with the "just update to 2.25" position.
[16:00] <slangasek> stokachu: an MRE is specifically intended for upstreams that do bugfix-only releases.  We do make other exceptions for featureful upstream releases but they are more exceptional
[16:01] <slangasek> pitti: given that we seem to have landed on a lemon of a release with grep 2.24 I'm ok with 2.25 in principle, but how do you propose to regression-test this?
[16:01] <stokachu> slangasek: ok, specifically in conjure-up, openstack case is there something I need to file with the TB to get an exception for new features?
[16:02] <stokachu> they are listed as part of juju's exception process so i wasn't sure if i needed to do anything else
[16:04] <slangasek> stokachu: "listed as part of juju's exception process"?
[16:05] <slangasek> stokachu: the TB has ruled that the SRU team has the authority to make their own decisions about these exceptions without them going to the TB.  However, there is no structure in place within the SRU team to review these.  So I do think the TB is still the best place for now to get these things done
[16:05] <stokachu> slangasek: sorry looks like it was just an SRU that included enhancementshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1573176
[16:42] <pitti> slangasek: grep has tests itself and for these changes, but of course that doesn't tell us if anyone was relying on the grep 2.2[34] binary behaviour under C by now; although that's rather adademic IMHO
[16:43] <pitti> slangasek: beyond that, I don't have a good idea myself how to define regression tests for that other than the obvious test for fixing that bug (i. e. whether it causes new FTBFS)
[16:44] <pitti> it could just equally be that the regression in .24 (grep -Pz) breaks stuff
[16:44] <pitti> so in summary having the fixes seems better to me than keeping the current broken behaviour
[16:44] <pitti> but yeah, difficult :(
[16:46] <slangasek> pitti: I don't consider an upstream testsuite sufficient regression testing for such a core tool.  Maybe an archive rebuild, yes
[16:46] <pitti> wrt. regression testing backporting that (huge) fix vs. taking the full release doesn't make much difference either
[16:46] <slangasek> and a longer aging?
[16:46] <pitti> i. e. maybe we should step back and rather ask us "do we want to fix this bug at all"
[16:46] <slangasek> I think we do
[16:46] <slangasek> it's a huge and problematic interface change
[16:47] <pitti> I think we should, but saying "no" would be policy compliant too)
[16:47] <slangasek> and if we had C.UTF-8 as default everywhere already then we could ignore it
[16:47] <slangasek> but as it stands this has a big negative impact on the LTS
[16:47] <pitti> yeah, folks upgrading from trusty who then find their usages of grep broken won't be amused
[16:48] <pitti> so back then when we fixed all the ftbfs fallout that actually sounded like a deliberate (although painful) behaviour change, so I'm glad that it wasn't after all
[16:49] <pitti> slangasek: an archive rebuild sounds good (maybe on amd64 only), but we build under C.UTF-8 now
[16:49] <slangasek> it is a misfeature that users' locale is not UTF-8 by default.  infinity had aspirations to fix this for 16.04 but it didn't make the cut
[16:49] <pitti> if we could do a test rebuild under C, that might help
[16:50] <pitti> how do you mean? user's locale for a normal install always ought to be a real UTF-8 one, not C (nor C.UTF-8)
[16:50] <slangasek> pitti: reverting the locale isn't relevant for regression testing, which is what we'd want the archive rebuild for
[16:50] <slangasek> pitti: "for a normal install" - only for a desktop install
[16:51] <slangasek> if you do a C locale install, e.g. on a server image where you select no locale at all, you get ASCII where you should get UTF-8
[16:51] <pitti> for server and cloud too
[16:51] <pitti> ah, does server allow you to choose C? (it's been a while since I did a d-i server install, but I don't remember that)
[16:52] <pitti> sorry, time for basketball, will be back in a few hours
[16:53] <slangasek> not only that, but there are environments (chroots, etc) where by default you're never selecting a locale, period
[16:53] <pitti> wgrant, doko: how difficult would it be to do an archive rebuild (one arch only) against xenial plus grep from xenial-proposed?
[16:53] <pitti> yes, sure
[16:53] <slangasek> (and schroot's handling of LANG has been making me mad for some time, besides)
[16:53] <pitti> I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just disagree that it can be considered "our normal default"
[16:53] <pitti> in the end stuff needs to work in both
[16:54] <slangasek> When you don't configure a locale, the default is C.ASCII.  That we have installers which guide you to choose a locale doesn't change this
[16:55] <cjwatson> pitti: copy it to a PPA and then it's easy
[16:55] <pitti> slangasek: right (not sure what we're actually debating now)
[16:55] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, that's even easier
[16:55] <slangasek> pitti: the meaning of the word "default" ;)
[16:55] <slangasek> pitti: enjoy basketball :)
[16:55] <pitti> ah :)
[16:55] <cjwatson> pitti: though I'd like to wait until the current librarian expiry situation is sorted out a bit better, if that's possible
[16:55] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, absolultely
[16:56] <slangasek> but in fact, maybe this highlights misunderstanding between infinity and myself about how this should be fixed... he may be assuming that it's a sufficient fix to set C.UTF-8 in all environments by default, and I may have just argued that this is not sufficient
[16:56] <pitti> ok, will copy to a PPA when I'm back
[17:17] <infinity> slangasek: If you're arguing for redefining the libc C/POSIX as C.UTF-8, that could be rather surprising to people who actually expect it to be ASCII.
[17:18] <infinity> slangasek: I think the best we can do is attempt to make all system/user login environments default to C.UTF-8 (when not otherwise specified) and call it good enough.
[17:19] <slangasek> infinity: I'm arguing that when no locale env vars are set, C.UTF-8 should be used instead of C
[17:19] <infinity> slangasek: But POSIX says otherwise.
[17:20] <infinity> slangasek: If you mean that when nothing is specified, a login session should SET C.UTF-8 (ie: mangle pam_env to do this), I could get behind that.
[17:20] <infinity> slangasek: But when you explicitly unset it all after that, it should come out POSIX.
[17:20] <slangasek> pfft
[17:20] <xnox> slangasek, given that C.UTF-8 is a superset of POSIX....
[17:20] <xnox> infinity, that is ^
[17:20] <infinity> xnox: Yes and no.
[17:21] <slangasek> infinity: can you point me to the bit of POSIX that specifies this?
[17:21] <slangasek> I'd like to spend the next half hour of my life rules-lawyering you
[17:21] <xnox> =)
[17:21] <infinity> xnox: C.UTF-8 contains the same characters at the beginning of the codeset as C, yes, but UTF-8 still isn't ASCII, and pretending it is is surprising if you expected ASCII.
[17:24] <cjwatson> POSIX actually contradicts infinity, although I think I still agree with infinity that keeping it ASCII is a safer choice
[17:24] <cjwatson> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap07.html#tag_07_02
[17:24] <cjwatson> "This default locale can be the POSIX locale or any other implementation-defined locale"
[17:25] <mdeslaur> heh, was about to paste that :)
[17:25]  * mdeslaur loves butting into other people's arguments
[17:25] <infinity> "For C-language programs, the POSIX locale shall be the default locale when the setlocale() function is not called."
[17:25] <infinity> cjwatson: It seems to contradict itself. ;)
[17:25] <cjwatson> Ooh, now that's subtly different
[17:26] <infinity> Or, we're arguing what "default" means again.
[17:26] <cjwatson> setlocale() not called != setlocale() called but no locale env vars present
[17:26] <cjwatson> I would certainly argue that it is less confusing for those two situations to result in the same thing
[17:26] <infinity> Indeed.
[17:27] <slangasek> I would argue that if you're calling setlocale(), you're i18nized and expecting to deal with non-asciiness at some level, and if you're not calling setlocale() you're not, so a difference in behavior there is actually o
[17:27] <slangasek> k
[17:28] <infinity> slangasek: I agree that it's "ok", but it's still confusing from a user perspective.
[17:28] <slangasek> especially when the only difference we're actually talking about is whether or not to choke on utf-8
[17:30] <infinity> Anyhow, we could indeed change the setlocale() with empty vars behaviour.  I've never been super comfy about doing that because C.UTF-8 isn't actually a builtin (ie: it requires an external locale def), but we try really hard to make sure it's always on disk and built.
[17:34] <slangasek> infinity: supposing we don't change the default locale under setlocale().  can you tell me how to make the behavior of my schroot not suck?  Because pam_env on the host already sets my desired locale for the host, which is not C.UTF-8; that is /not/ the correct locale for use inside the chroots, where I should not have to install langpacks or have matching locales configuration; and I believe
[17:34] <slangasek> schroot currently deals with this by unhelpfully nuking any locale env vars.
[17:36] <infinity> slangasek: schroot invokes pam, it could be pam_enving as well.
[17:36] <infinity> slangasek: But you bring up a valid point for bare chroot(1) perhaps.
[17:36] <infinity> (Though, it's never bugged me that those are POSIX)
[17:36] <slangasek> infinity: it invokes pam on the host. pam_env already sets *the correct locale for the host*.
[17:37] <infinity> Oh, I was just grepping code.  It doesn't call into pam in the chroot?  Check.
[17:37] <infinity> I guess that would be a nonsensical thing to do if you're not "logging in" to the chroot.
[17:38] <infinity> slangasek: Anyhow, for individual tools like schroot, the answer could as easily be "set LANG=C.UTF-8".
[17:38] <slangasek> yeah; if it did call pam in the chroot, I would expect that to be busted in various other ways
[17:38] <infinity> slangasek: But the larger question is if we should have to, and I get that.
[17:38]  * slangasek nods
[17:41] <infinity> slangasek: Though, arguably, schroot should be doing something clever to read /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale (ie: emulating pam_env, if it can't call it).   It's meant to be a much smarter tool than dumb ol' chroot(1).
[17:41] <infinity> slangasek: So the real question is if the behaviour of chroot(1) is correct, and I'm sort of on the fence there.
[17:42] <slangasek> infinity: if I have to configure /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale inside each schroot chroot to get sane behavior, that is also full of fail
[17:43] <slangasek> schroot setting LANG=C.UTF-8 by default is saner, but still has the problem that we have to individually touch each tool whose behavior we want to make sane
[17:44] <infinity> slangasek: Why?  I treat my schroots as individual "systems", not unlike a container or a VM.  Those are configured via /etc/default/locale
[17:44] <infinity> chroot(1), on the other hand, just gets spillover from your environment and no guarantee of cleanliness, which is entirely correct, if gross.
[17:44] <slangasek> infinity: the whole point is that this should *not* be "configuration". This should be "don't be stupid by default".
[17:45] <apw> isn't that down to making the chroots sane when we deliver them
[17:45] <xnox> slangasek, i thought glibc doesn't default to C.UTF-8 because it was not compiled-in locale into libc.so|a binary itself, unlike posix. the point of posix/c locale was that it doesn't need any external files. has that been fixed now, and c.utf-8 is compiled into libc.a ?
[17:45] <infinity> slangasek: Okay, sure.  schroot should set C.UTF-8 if there's no existing config, but I'd argue it should also be honoring /etc/* in case we have an /etc/default/locale that says otherwise.
[17:45] <infinity> xnox: c.utf-8 is still external.
[17:46] <infinity> xnox: Even in our talks about integrating it upstream, no one's yet gone down the scary road of trying to make it a built-in.
[17:46] <xnox> right, then it can't be universally default.
[17:47] <xnox> infinity, i tried and failed when working on clearlinux
[17:48] <infinity> We do always ship it pre-compiled with libc.so, so for the dynamic case, it's basically as good as builtin (though, we'd need to make sure to pull it into the initrd, etc).
[17:48] <infinity> But for static, it's a bit more of a crapshoot.
[17:48] <infinity> Especially with craptastic Built-Using tracking, which we need to fix.
[17:49] <infinity> Since the compiled version on disk may not match what the setlocale() you compiled into your binary expects.
[17:49] <infinity> Well, also means the concept of a portable 100% static binary dies.
[17:49] <infinity> But hey, libnss broke that more than a decade ago.
[17:53] <infinity> Ideally, I'd like to figure out how to make the upstream build system let you pick a --setlocale-default and build that locale into libc.{so,a} at build time.
[17:53] <infinity> That would make this less scary.
[17:56] <infinity> That would also let embedded vendors build, say, a C+ru_RU system without the overhead of external locales.
[17:57] <infinity> Which would be neat.
[19:13] <doko> pitti, pretty easy. is this urgent? I'm planning to do one with an updated gcc too, but not yet
[20:47] <pitti> doko: not "this week" urgent for sure, the buildds are aching enough as they are
[20:47] <pitti> doko: perhaps next week or so, when the dust settles
[20:47] <pitti> for now, just discussing options how we could verify the new grep
[20:48] <pitti> slangasek: if doko wants to do a test rebuild with gcc-6+the new grep, would you consider this a close enough approximation? doing two rebuilds at the same time seems a bit wasteful
[20:49] <pitti> (grep 2.25 is in yakkety already)
[20:50] <pitti> ♩ ♪ 5.500 tests on the wall, 5.500 tests -- break one cloud, upload one perl, 8.800 tests on the wall ♫ ♬
[20:54] <slangasek> pitti: yes, that's fine by me
[20:56] <slangasek> tests> heh
[20:56] <slangasek> queue under 2k!  fancy
[20:57] <pitti> slangasek: btw, there are 8 extra armhf workers on scalingstack now
[20:58] <slangasek> pitti: excellent :)
[20:58] <pitti> slangasek: of course I get a watchdog email every 15 minutes or at least 2 hours which hard-reboots them, so I'm not entirely sure how much load they actually take off
[20:58] <pitti> as each hang causes the client side to hang for a fair while too (until commands time out)
[20:59] <pitti> but I think the net result between taking off load and introducing hangs is still positive, armhf was a lot furhter behind yesterday (relative to x86)
[21:00] <pitti> slangasek: can you exercise your magic management powahs to make cking available to me for half a day or so on our sprint? :-)
[21:00] <pitti> he's a miracle on figuring out such stuff, and I don't have a clue how to debug this any further :(
[21:04] <pitti> speaking of breaking clouds -- wgrant, cjwatson: https://launchpad.net/builders → quo vadis, lcy01 buildds?
[21:05] <pitti> FWIW, on my side I keep running into "ERROR" states recently again, but it's by and large running
[21:05] <slangasek> pitti: cking isn't mine to give you, put something on the sprint agenda and ask ogasawara ? :)
[21:06] <cking> i am sure that is doable
[21:07] <pitti> ah, there's not a list, but a timetable; I'll pick some random time and let ogasawara move it around or slap my fingers then :)
[21:07] <pitti> cking: that'd be great, thanks
[21:08] <pitti> ah no, there's a link to "kernel agenda", found it
[21:08] <pitti> r/o
[22:45] <slangasek> infinity: apparently we've had cloop as a "supported" "desktop" package in main since 2008 to support mounting livecds.  But I'm pretty sure that's not compatible with any format we're currently using. ;)  Should we drop that from the seed?
[22:47] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, it was manually seeded?  Oops.  Should have dropped out when we dropped the dep from livecd-rootfs.
[22:47] <infinity> slangasek: Kill mit fire.
[22:47] <slangasek> infinity: gekillt und gepusht


[03:43] <heyya> DOes maas need to handle DNS?
[03:43] <heyya> can I use something else for all DNS needs?
[07:36] <trdillon1> I am getting the following on most of my nodes
[07:36] <trdillon1>   /tmp/user_data.sh.Pw8oDH/scripts/commissioning/00-maas-01-lshw: line 6:  4436 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) sudo -n /usr/bin/lshw -xml
[07:36] <trdillon1> I don't know how to fix it
[07:36] <trdillon1> Ideas?
[07:36] <trdillon1> It happens when commisioning
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1734347 opened: No GUI feedback when libvirt pod out of disk space <error-surface> <pod> <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734347>
[20:38] <corrrect>  /join #synology
[22:45] <mup> Bug #1734391 opened: user editing of preseed files is difficult due to maas internal data <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734391>
[22:54] <mup> Bug #1734391 changed: user editing of preseed files is difficult due to maas internal data <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734391>
[22:57] <mup> Bug #1734391 opened: user editing of preseed files is difficult due to maas internal data <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734391>


[05:50] <Vampi> здорофффки :)
[07:48] <borw3> Help, I see that ubuntu has automatic window placement. EG: If I move a window to the corner it takes up some portion of the screen automaticaly. But in xubuntu it moves to the next work area. How can I make this like ubuntu?
[07:53] <borw3> Help, I see that ubuntu has automatic window placement. EG: If I move a window to the corner it takes up some portion of the screen automaticaly. But in xubuntu it moves to the next work area. How can I make this like ubuntu?
[08:04] <wlxmhls> 没有人说话呀
[08:04] <borw3> Help, I see that ubuntu has automatic window placement. EG: If I move a window to the corner it takes up some portion of the screen automaticaly. But in xubuntu it moves to the next work area. How can I make this like ubuntu?
[08:04] <cfhowlett> !cn | wlxmhls
[08:04] <cfhowlett> !kylin | wlxmhls
[08:05] <borw3> Help, I see that ubuntu has automatic window placement. EG: If I move a window to the corner it takes up some portion of the screen automaticaly. But in xubuntu it moves to the next work area. How can I make this like ubuntu?
[08:05] <cfhowlett> !patience | borw3
[09:19] <koegs> borw3: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7405
[09:24] <borw3> koegs: Thanks solved my issue
[14:07] <starfish> Anybody familiar with rsync? I have a simple question but I can figure it out
[14:09] <mtift> starfish: sure, what's up?
[14:09] <starfish> I want to keep a backup folder on my flash drive and use rsync to update the flash drive as I make changes to the original folder. How would I write this command?
[14:11] <mtift> starfish: so you want a command that will transfer the files once or you want a command that will somehow keep running?
[14:12] <mtift> if you just want to sync the two folders it would be something like "rsync -r dir1/ dir2"
[14:12] <mtift> but that will be a one-time thing
[14:16] <starfish> Just a command that I can manually run whenever I want to update my backup
[14:19] <starfish> that seems to work. thanks!
[14:20] <mtift> starfish: you'll need to find the location of your flash drive and figure out what options you want
[14:21] <mtift> I usually do something like "rsync -rav --delete /home/USER/source_folder/ /mnt/flash_drive"
[14:22] <mtift> but, you know, read the man page :)
[16:09] <xubuntu29w> Hey humans, sorry to bother you.  Software center is completely frozen while updating the cache.  I looked online and found no help.  Has anyone dealt with this before??
[18:34] <mikeche1en> kill it and run again?
[20:54] <UBuxuBU> this network was hacked all should change their password
[20:55] <drc> Old News, and not relevant to Xubuntu support.
[22:07]  * RedDeath is back from Entertaining some Hookers. I was gone for 1min —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
[22:16] <gnucku> hey guys
[22:16] <gnucku> need some help
[22:17] <gnucku> after failing to have a functioning xubuntu 14.04 on an old desktop
[22:17] <gnucku> due to graphical reasons
[22:17] <gnucku> i noticed that "live cd" versions of ol xubuntus weren't having those troubles
[22:18] <gnucku> like, xubuntu 9.04
[22:18] <gnucku> so, i installed it. but unlike xubuntu 14.04, i have a new problem. the monitor says "not optimum mode bla bla bla"
[22:20] <knome> gnucku, xubuntu 9.04 is far from "supported"
[22:21] <gnucku> yeah...
[22:21] <gnucku> that means no ideas?
[22:22] <knome> that means you can search for the internet for answers, but this channel is not the right place to ask support questions related to that version
[22:23] <gnucku> k, thanks man
[22:23] <knome> good luck.
[22:24] <gnucku> just trying to work around it, since current version wasn't working right :D
[22:24] <knome> you could try 12.04; that's still supported
[22:25] <gnucku> back to 10.04, the graphical problems persist
[22:26] <gnucku> actually, on 10.04, they get a bit better
[22:28] <gnucku> but only on 9.04 they are gone (at least on the "live cd")
[22:30] <gnucku> i actually managed to enter rescue mode, maybe I can go somwhere rom here
[22:30] <gnucku> thanks knome
[22:31] <knome> np, and again, good luck
[22:58] <xubuntu30w> Hi there
[22:58] <xubuntu30w> I have a kernel problem
[22:58] <xubuntu30w> I cannot get the headers for my kernel
[22:59] <xubuntu30w> so I cannot install vmware or virtualbox
[23:00] <xubuntu30w> I tried to insall virtual box from the repos and it also failed
[23:00] <batfastad> Hi everyone. Just switched to xubuntu from mint xfce, just for a bit of a change. Seems great so far.
[23:01] <xubuntu30w> With GRUB I don t know how to specify another kernel to boot from
[23:01] <batfastad> Question, how do I change the default handler for audio files. I'd like to use audacious instead of gmusicbrowser
[23:02] <brainwash> batfastad: should be settings manager > mime type editor
[23:04] <batfastad> brainwash: Perfect! I knew there must be something like that somewhere. Thanks!
[23:07] <xubuntu30w> how can I change the default kernel for GRUB ?
[23:13] <brainwash> !grub | xubuntu30w
[23:31] <DarkmasterT> hi, i've tried several fixes from the ubuntu forum which had the same network card problem. none of them have worked
[23:32] <DarkmasterT> the computer can see the ethernet but it still says no network devices available
[23:33] <DarkmasterT> forget which command it was but it said the ethernet connection was unclaimed, 01:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T [14e4:4401] (rev 01)
[23:38] <DarkmasterT> every solution on the forum was marked SOLVED for that exact same above listed ethernet controller but didnt work, running Xubuntu 14.04.1
[23:52] <DarkmasterT> guessing everyone is away or knows about as much about making a stupid Broadcom work as i do, lol