[01:45] <michi> robru: Any movement on the train?
[01:45] <robru> michi: nope, everything has completely imploded. webops is on it, I can only wait for them
[01:46] <robru> michi: I blame juju
[01:46] <michi> OK. Looks like it’s in their hands :)
[01:46] <michi> No ETA, I take it?
[01:47] <robru> michi: nope. we've just begun to upgrade the juju environment, because we were running an ancient version. would not surprise me in the slightest if this took hours.
[01:47] <michi> :(
[01:47] <michi> OK, I better plan on doing something else then
[01:47] <michi> Thanks for letting me know!
[10:31] <xnox> Laney, seb128 - could libfsharp-data-typeproviders4.3-cil  please be removed? it's an "old binary" with no reverse-depends?
[10:31] <xnox> blocks fsharp from being considered - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#fsharp
[10:32] <seb128> old as NBS?
[10:32] <xnox> si
[10:32] <xnox> well, it is built from release source, it's no longer build from proposed source
[10:32] <xnox> new package name is libfsharp-data-typeproviders4.4-ci
[10:32] <xnox> but britney is silly about it.
[10:32] <seb128> xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14025753/ ?
[10:33] <xnox> let me check this
[10:33] <xnox> seb128, correct please do that =)
[10:33] <xnox> (stale package in -proposed)
[10:33] <seb128> done
[10:33] <xnox> thanks.
[10:33] <seb128> yw
[10:34] <xnox> ok, i have more
[10:35] <xnox> seb128, NBS in xenial-proposed too: libgdcm-java libgdcm2.4 libgdcm2.4-dbg libvtkgdcm-java libvtkgdcm2.4
[10:35] <seb128> same reasons?
[10:35] <xnox> yeap.
[10:35] <seb128> ah you said so, NBS
[10:36] <xnox> 2.4.4-4ubuntu2 never migrated to release, and now NBS.
[10:37] <xnox> we have nbs release & rtm...
[10:37] <xnox> can we have NBS report for -proposed i wonder.
[11:06] <xnox> seb128, Laney: so i have a proposal to unstick gdcm transition from mono transition, to migrate mono. As follows:
[11:07] <xnox> remove libvtkgdcm-cil binary from xenial-release. Which should allow removing obsolete (bogus, leaf) - activiz.net mummy boo pinta
[11:07] <xnox> and mono migrates.
[11:12] <Laney> pinta isn't obsolete?
[11:14] <xnox> Laney, what's pinta?!
[11:15] <Laney> image editing / drawing application
[11:15] <sil2100> Hey, since I see some mention of NBSes
[11:16] <sil2100> Could anyone look at LP: #1520206 ?
[11:21] <cjwatson> sil2100: checking
[11:24] <cjwatson> sil2100: done
[11:24] <sil2100> cjwatson: thank you! :)
[11:50] <Laney> xnox: Might be easiest to upload a gdcm with -cil stuff disabled, seems not to have any rdeps
[11:50] <Laney> to break them apart temporarily
[12:20] <xnox> Laney, wouldn't be removing -cil package from release have the same effect anyway?
[12:21] <xnox> i don't want to pointlessly upload a diff, to remove it after migrate. Surely we can hint britney things.
[12:22]  * xnox looks at pinta
[12:22] <Laney> Don't
[12:22] <Laney> It'll work after mono builds
[12:22] <xnox> oh
[12:23] <xnox> Laney, indeed that upload is very handy - making xbuild default to something sane.
[12:24] <Laney> yes, please make sure to remove your deltas
[12:25] <Laney> and I imagine removing gdcm-cil would work too
[12:27]  * cjwatson removes the -proposed NBS for gdcm
[12:27] <cjwatson> (a report for -proposed is unfortunately not exactly trivial though would be nice)
[12:27] <Laney> thought seb128 said he did that earlier
[12:28] <Laney> evidently not :P
[12:28] <cjwatson> appears not
[12:29] <apw> cjwatson, i have been generating an nbs report for xenial-proposed using britney's list of old binaries as it affects the kernel much of the time
[12:30] <apw> cjwatson, not sure if that can be accurate in the general case
[12:31] <cjwatson> britney's list of old binaries unfortunately includes both build failures and stuff that's intentionally not built any more
[12:31] <xnox> well, a bunch of these would go away if when autosyncs happen and a package exists in -proposed, it should remove it from -proposed first before syncing over.
[12:32] <cjwatson> I don't think that's a good idea!
[12:33] <xnox> ok.
[12:36] <apw> cjwatson, good point, it would need to elide those in concert with missing build to be useful
[12:40] <xnox> Laney, about gdcm transition. i'll need to wait forever for inisghtooolkit4 to be built, and then rebuild remaining 3 packages for the transition and it should be all good =/
[12:48] <Laney> xnox: righto
[12:48] <Laney> you want to try and split mono or just wait?
[12:49] <xnox> Laney, insighttoolkit4 takes 3 days and 4 hours to build on amd64.... unless it needs a little help and killing stray processes or some such.
[12:49] <xnox> Laney, i do want gdcm-cil things removed from -release (no rdeps) to see if mono migrates.
[12:50] <Laney> it'll need those other removals + pinta
[12:51] <xnox> well, once mono builds and becomes a candidate.
[12:51] <xnox> i re-tried no-change rebuild of pinta in my ppa, it's building (arch:all so amd64 only)
[12:51] <xnox> if it builds, i'll copy it over.
[12:51] <xnox> Laney, and it still fails with cryptic stuff https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230079759/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.pinta_1.6-1build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:51] <xnox> Actions/AddinActions.cs(28,12): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `Unix' does not exist in the namespace `Mono'. Are you missing an assembly reference?
[12:52] <xnox> et.al.
[12:55] <xnox> Laney, will you look into pinta build failure please? i am confused about it =)
[12:58] <Laney> ok
[12:58] <seb128> Laney, sorry, I queued that but was in middle of something and wanted to check rdepends etc before doing it and then I had to go for lunch
[12:58] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks for doing those
[13:16] <xnox> Laney, we can file a block for pinta, and do demote-to-proposed against it + removals, to migrate mono. unless you have thought on how to fix pinta?
[13:16]  * xnox should try building latest upstream.
[13:17] <Laney> I probably know how to do it, don't worry
[13:17] <xnox> oooh =)
[13:19] <Laney> you get the rest of the removals taken care of :P
[13:20] <Laney> hooray for incoming.d.o as proper archive
[13:27] <xnox> Laney, looks like the deps need to be bumped to <IP_ADDRESS>__0738eb9f132ed756 from Version=<IP_ADDRESS>, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756 or some such.
[13:47] <Laney> xnox: DONE
[13:48] <xnox> Laney, well done =)
[13:48]  * xnox ponders if i managed to figure it out too... http://paste.ubuntu.com/14027120/ i guess i should have been doing something productive.
[13:49] <Laney> umm, probably yes
[13:50] <xnox> Laney, i drop toolsversion & targetversion in my diff, but meh, same difference. anyway this is cool. once it's built and published we may be in a possition to bribe AAs to remove things to migrate mono
[14:40] <coreycb> hello, can an archive admin please remove the python3-os-win binaries?  they've been dropped for now as the upstream code is not yet py3 compatible.
[14:44]  * didrocks flushes
[14:44] <didrocks> coreycb: binary removed from xenial-proposed
[14:44] <coreycb> didrocks, thanks!
[14:44] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:47] <xnox> fyi for everyone that looks into proposed migration insighttoolkit4 is building in a nonvirt ppa, to be copied over once it builds over the coming days.
[15:48] <xnox> building in a ppa, to avoid pointless arch-skew for it, not that it's installable anyway at the moment in -proposed.
[19:29] <xnox> was my insighttoolkit4 ppc64el build killed?
[19:30] <xnox> doko, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230102849/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-ppc64el.insighttoolkit4_4.8.1-1ubuntu4_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:30] <xnox> any thoughts?
[19:30] <xnox> shall i retry?
[19:32] <cjwatson> looks like OOM, but you might as well retry
[19:37]  * xnox downloads the log
[19:37] <xnox> http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-ppc64el.insighttoolkit4_4.8.1-1ubuntu4_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:58] <infinity> cjwatson: Did we never adjust VM sizes after the mem/core discussions?
[20:03] <cyphermox> mdeslaur: I think we're missing a grub2-signed upload for grub2 2.02~beta2-9ubuntu1.6 in trusty-security.
[20:06] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: oh, d'oh
[20:06] <cyphermox> same for the other releases too
[20:07] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: It's just a no-change rebuild?
[20:07] <cyphermox> no, you also need to change the build-depends
[20:07] <mdeslaur> well, with a more recent build-dep
[20:07] <infinity> mdeslaur: With adjusted build-deps, if you're being picky, but that's not necessary.
[20:07] <infinity> mdeslaur: And it *must* build in the archive.  This needs the same procedure as kernel embargos.
[20:08] <mdeslaur> cyphermox, infinity: cool, thanks for the heads up
[20:08] <infinity> mdeslaur: ie: needs to copy from PPA to proposed, build in proposed, then release the mess to security.
[20:08] <mdeslaur> infinity: ok, so I let you know once it's in the ppa?
[20:08] <cyphermox> I only noticed it because I was preparing a SRU :/
[20:08] <mdeslaur> crud, I didn't know this was needed, sorry for the trouble
[20:08] <infinity> mdeslaur: Well, and I need to copy all your security updates to proposed. :P
[20:11]  * infinity sets about doing all of that.
[20:11] <infinity> mdeslaur: If you guys have special "Talk to Adam" instructions for kernel embargos, you might want to add grub to the same list. :P
[20:14] <infinity> mdeslaur: But, basically, the procedure for both is the same.  linux/grub2 get binary copied from PPA to proposed.  linux-signed/grub2-signed get source-only copied (or uploaded) to proposed.  When all is built and happy, the lots gets released to security/updates.
[20:17] <mdeslaur> infinity: yeah, I'll add a note to our scripts so it doesn't happen again
[20:19] <mdeslaur> infinity: uploading to ppa here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[20:21] <infinity> mdeslaur: Kay.  When everything looks sane on the archive side, I'll copy them over.
[20:22] <mdeslaur> I gather the ftbfs in the ppa is normal...
[20:22] <infinity> Yes.
[20:39] <infinity> mdeslaur: Alright, reviewed them all for sanity.  Will copy as soon as they'll actually be buildable.
[20:40] <mdeslaur> thanks infinity
[20:41]  * infinity runs across the street for pizza while he waits.
[22:51] <doko> xnox, you could retry. looks like the oom killer


    But the guidelines clearly address profanity, and I even specifically told you to keep things family friendly earlier as well.
[00:05] <rebbecajohnson20> Whatever.. why you said "go find another channel" thats mean its not in guidlines
[00:06] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: I was simply trying to get you to take your inappropriate comments elsewhere without having to ban you.  I apologise if it came off as mean.
[00:06] <rebbecajohnson20> Its ok :) but why swearing is not permitted?
[00:07] <rebbecajohnson20> Do you work at ubuntu?
[00:08] <rebbecajohnson20> "It came" = "it ejaculated"..
[00:08] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: As I already explained, there are children in the channel sometimes, or parents with young children, etc, which means to be respectful of them, we should keep the channel family-friendly.
[00:09] <rebbecajohnson20> Y do you respond so slow?
[00:10] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: Anyway, this isn't a social channel.  Did you have anything else related to your ban you'd like to clarify?
[00:10] <rebbecajohnson20> You said "it came" and it means"it ejaculated" thats swearing:/
[00:12] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: That's etymologically/historically accurate, but still, that's the slang usage at best.  "came" can mean plenty of non-dirty things.  But again, did you have any additional questions regarding your ban?
[00:12] <rebbecajohnson20> Can I get unbanned?
[00:12] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: Not at this time.  No.
[00:13] <rebbecajohnson20> Ubuntu offtopic is my favourite server
[00:13] <rebbecajohnson20> Why? :/
[00:13] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: Because as far as I can tell, if I unban you, you'll simply get banned again soon thereafter.  So let's not go through the motions and save everyone the hassle.
[00:14] <rebbecajohnson20> How old are you?
[00:14] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: Is there anything else?  If not, please part this channel.  Take some time to read the guidelines and the Code of Conduct, and rejoin here in a week or two after you've let things soak in and are ready to participate in a constructive manner.
[00:15] <rebbecajohnson20> Please can you just tell me how old are u in a private message?
[00:15] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: I don't see how it's relevant, so no, I can't.  Sorry.  Have a nice day though.
[00:16] <rebbecajohnson20> Because you ban everybody you must be a young troll :/
[00:17] <tsimpson> rebbecajohnson20: calling people names is not going to help you
[00:17] <rebbecajohnson20> Help me with what??
[00:17] <tsimpson> ...and is only more reason to not lift the ban
[00:17] <rebbecajohnson20> What reason
[00:18] <tsimpson> help you not remain banned, that's why you're here
[00:19] <rebbecajohnson20> .unban rebbecajohnson2001
[00:19] <rebbecajohnson20> Oops nevermind
[00:19] <tsimpson> as you aren't going to get unbanned, I suggest you leave and come back when you're feeling more rational
[00:19] <rebbecajohnson20> What means feeling rational?
[00:19] <tsimpson> not feeling irrational
[00:20] <rebbecajohnson20> And what is that?
[00:20] <rebbecajohnson20> No im gonna have a mental break myself if I will not get unbanned
[00:21] <tsimpson> that's unfortunate, but there's nothing we can do about it
[00:21] <rebbecajohnson20> IM A FUCKING SCARY CUNT!
[00:23]  * Flannel stands on IdleOne's lawn.
[00:24] <IdleOne> you sir are welcome to stand on my lawn, just don't let the neighbour kids play there
[10:12] <syko> Hello.
[10:12] <syko> I was unbanned a few days ago by AlanBell after some moderator placed a false ip-range ban.
[10:12] <syko> now, I am banned again?
[10:12] <syko> I never did anything harsh?
[10:13] <syko> !ops
[10:13] <syko> sorry you guys are afk so :p
[10:14] <Myrtti> using the ops call is a sign that you could do with a second helping in patience
[10:14] <syko> yes
[10:15] <Myrtti> dealing with unbanning isn't an emergency, so please in the future don't use the ops call for it.
[10:16] <syko> Myrtti: I was unbanned by AlanBell a few days ago because one of your operators placed a false IP-range ban, AlanBell sorted it out though, but now, I am banned from #ubuntu again? * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[10:16] <Myrtti> unsurprisingly I did notice your question earlier, as did all the other ops.
[10:16] <syko> yea
[10:17] <Myrtti> however I have a rather important phonecall to make so I don't have time to dwell further into the issue
[10:17] <syko> oh...
[10:19] <Tm_T> syko: patience, please
[10:19] <syko> ok
[10:19] <Tm_T> syko: looks like you specifically are banned
[10:21] <Tm_T> syko: you happen to know about that?
[10:21] <syko> "specifically"
[10:21] <syko> ?
[10:22] <syko> Tm_T: AlanBell unbanned me like 2 days ago.
[10:22] <Tm_T> there's no wide-range bans that preventing you to join #ubuntu but only you
[10:22] <syko> now, when I tried to enter the channel.
[10:22] <syko> it says * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[10:22] <syko> Tm_T: any reason behind that?
[10:22] <Pricey> @btlogin
[10:22] <Tm_T> syko: well I kinda asked if you knew, I could remind you though (:
[10:23] <syko> tm_t: I don't even know why I was banned...
[10:23] <Tm_T> syko: about three weeks ago, "33:16 <Lanser> Life is like a box of......rm -rf / commands."
[10:23] <syko> tm_t: lanser was my old alias.
[10:23] <Tm_T> syko: and?
[10:23] <syko> and what?
[10:24] <syko> I was in #ubuntu, and thought to change my nick to Lanser, did /nick Lanser and I got banned.
[10:24] <Tm_T> well, that line is a reason why you are banned currently
[10:24] <AlanBell> 11:00 < syko> i joined freenode, and did /join #ubuntu, it says "you have been banned", i never came here but i have been banned ?
[10:24] <AlanBell> so there was a bit of a lie in that then
[10:25] <Tm_T> so if you like to join our support channel again, it would be nice to solve those bans
[10:25] <syko> AlanBell: no
[10:25] <syko> how can I solve those bans ?
[10:25] <AlanBell> the big ban on that address space is gone, that isn't what is blocking you
[10:25] <syko> fill out freenode forms?
[10:25] <Tm_T> syko: by being honest with us for starters
[10:26] <syko> ok
[10:26] <Myrtti> besides
[10:26] <Myrtti> I've honestly already lost count on how many times you need to be told to not use the ops call for ban resolution
[10:27] <Myrtti> for the love of all that's precious, could you not do it again?
[10:27] <syko> I will not do it again, myrtti
[10:29] <Tm_T> syko: so, do you remember why you are banned?
[10:30] <Tm_T> brb, I'm needed elsewhere for a moment
[10:30] <syko> I am also needed somewhere, I'll be back.
[10:30] <syko> keep your eyes and ears open.
[10:52] <Pricey> I wonder what their point is.
[11:46] <ikonia> Pricey: there point is to cause problems/damage to peoples machine and annoy people
[11:47] <ikonia> hence why he's STILL joining channels and doing "!ops"
[11:47] <ikonia> hence why he's registering new accounts to hide his "past"
[11:47] <ikonia> eg: the other day he said "I'm new here"
[11:47] <ikonia> then he's just admitted his "old" alis
[12:05] <Pricey> ikonia: He just didn't strike me as being very good at it.
[12:12] <ikonia> oh no, he sucks at it
[12:12] <ikonia> you're totally correct
[14:27] <syko> Hello, guys I am back.
[14:27] <syko> Myrtti: I will not trigger the !ops thing now. :p
[14:28] <Corey> syko: May we help you with something?
[14:29] <syko> Corey: I was banned for saying 'fedora is better'
[14:29] <syko> Corey: #ubuntu's operators seem to be having fun with their powers.
[14:30] <Tm_T> syko: what did I said about being honest?
[14:30] <syko> Tm_T: If I be honest, will you unban me?
[14:30] <syko> like, truly honest.
[14:30] <Tm_T> syko: that's first requirement, but not the only one
[14:31] <ikonia> syko: hang on this is just nonse
[14:31] <syko> what's the next one?
[14:31] <ikonia> he's alrady banned under 10 different identities
[14:31] <ikonia> he's told constant lies
[14:31] <ikonia> this is a waste of time
[14:31] <syko> Tm_T: please forgive me.
[14:31] <syko> I am sorry, ikonia.
[14:31] <syko> ikonia just hates me.
[14:31] <syko> but do you hate me, tm_t?
[14:31] <ikonia> I don't hate you
[14:32] <ikonia> I just want you to behave inline with the rules of ubuntu, not lie, not try to cause a problem, not keep hitting the !ops trigger
[14:32] <ikonia> it's really not a hard set of things to grasp, you've had MANY chances
[14:33] <ikonia> syko: until you can actually behave, follow the rules, stop telling lies, stop hitting the !ops trigger, stop trying to ban evade there is zero point in having any more conversation about this
[14:34] <ikonia> syko: clear ?
[14:35] <syko> understood, ikonia.
[14:35] <ikonia> syko: ok, bye then
[14:36] <Tm_T> ikonia: well put, thank you
[14:38] <Pricey> When you're desperately wanting to get back into a support channel but don't even cry about needing help with something... it's just not trying!
[14:38] <ikonia> ?
[14:38] <ikonia> Tm_T: I'm just tired of trying to negotiate with this guy, it's pointless while he's just trying to cause a problem and lie abou tit
[14:39] <ikonia> Pricey: what do you mean ?
[14:39] <Tm_T> ikonia: well I was going to tell those same things but more verbose, I think you managed to put it out more effectively
[14:45]  * genii slides Unit193 a coffee
[15:03] <Myrtti> visualise: hi
[15:42] <Pici> visualise: Hi, how can we help you today?
[15:44] <Pici>  /70
[16:39] <ch4k3r> !ops
[16:39] <ch4k3r> guys
[16:39] <ch4k3r> this little motherfucking ikonia bitch
[16:39] <ch4k3r> banned me
[16:39] <ikonia> ch4k3r: you really don't learn do you
[16:39] <ch4k3r> I LOST MY
[16:39] <ch4k3r> KERNEL
[16:39] <ch4k3r> YOU FUCK
[16:39] <ch4k3r> I NEED HELP
[16:39] <ch4k3r> FROM PARSNIP
[16:39] <ikonia> ch4k3r: stop it - tone down the language
[16:39]  * Pici blinks
[16:39] <Pici> Did I miss something?
[16:39] <ikonia> syko
[16:39] <ikonia> ...again
[16:40] <Myrtti> the language, geez
[16:40] <ikonia> I believe he' just a child, hence the language
[16:40] <ikonia> I could be wrong on that
[16:42] <IdleOne> Was he being a problem in #ubuntu while action was helping him?
[16:42] <ikonia> well he's still telling lies
[16:42] <ikonia> as he's not actually using ubuntu
[16:43] <IdleOne> what is he using?
[16:43] <ikonia> backbox
[16:43] <ikonia> which is why he's banned from #kali-linux #ubuntu to some extent as he's trying to get generic instructions to work on backbox
[16:43] <ikonia> which is a hacked up based on ubuntu buid
[16:43] <ikonia> build
[16:44] <ikonia> and telling lies (not very good) about what he's doing and command output
[16:44] <ikonia> then it ges confusing as he trips up
[16:44] <IdleOne> ok so he was banned got unbanned, then got banned again.
[16:44] <ikonia> no - didn't "really" get unbanned
[16:45] <ikonia> he's been ban dodging for about a month with k1l_
[16:45] <ikonia> just keeps joining doing !ops
[16:45] <ikonia> made "another" new account, AlanBell wasn't aware if was teh same guy, unbanned him, cut him some slack
[16:45] <ikonia> he behaved like a fool a bit,
[16:45] <ikonia> then came back using his "old" new nickname with his old cloak so an "old" ban caught him
[16:45] <ikonia> and he started up again
[16:45] <Pici> Well, there were no notes in the bantracker to tell us that it was the same person.
[16:46] <ikonia> but it then proved it was the same guy saying "I've never used ubuntu before I'm new here" was a lie
[16:46] <ikonia> Pici: which one - the one I just banned ?
[16:46] <IdleOne> Not questioning the decision of banning him mind you. From the 4-5 lines he posted in here just now he probably deserves the ban. I just wanted to catch up :)
[16:46] <Pici> ikonia: the person that alan unbanned, I briefly looked at it myself.
[16:46] <ikonia> Pici: ahh I spoke to alan about it
[16:46] <ikonia> Pici: there wasn't a note in it as it was a "new" account
[16:46] <ikonia> but it was the same guy
[16:47] <ikonia> I can prove it without any doubt
[16:48] <IdleOne> I don't think anyone is asking for proof. Just helps us when there is some documentation we can all read and be on the same page.
[16:49] <ikonia> well, I couldn't document a ban on syko - as that nickname didn't exist
[16:49] <ikonia> he was caught under his IP ban
[16:49] <ikonia> alan thought it was a new user sharing the same IP
[16:49] <ikonia> however BT should now be up to date
[16:49] <IdleOne> persistent this one is
[16:49] <ikonia> and he came in saying "I'm new to ubuntu, never been in here before, please unban me"
[16:49] <k1l_> this one here is the sam as syko with the ip AlanBell unbanned. he is a real problem user exept for the time he really needs support
[16:49] <ikonia> so Alan really had no choice
[16:49] <AlanBell> yup, it was a plausible new user, and on a wide ban we should assume good faith
[16:50] <bazhang>  me is ready to remove confused_guy
[16:51] <Pici> :P
[16:51] <ikonia> bazhang: he'll stop, probably just learning his client
[16:51] <bazhang> we have #test for iirc
[16:51] <bazhang> +that
[16:51] <ikonia> not everyone knows
[16:51] <ikonia> and he's been asked to stop, and has done
[18:23] <Lanser> ikonia: I've behaved very accurately.
[18:23] <Lanser> and I have been following the rules.
[18:23] <Lanser> very positively, ikonia.
[18:23] <Lanser> but....
[18:23] <Lanser> !ops
[18:23] <Lanser> and fuck you all
[18:23] <Myrtti> oh for gods sake
[18:23] <bazhang> Lanser,
[18:23] <bazhang> yegads
[18:23] <Lanser> one more time..
[18:23] <Lanser> !ops
[18:23] <IdleOne> Lanser: Stop doing that please
[18:26] <tsimpson> ^ they are in ##c++ now asking for "skilled hackers"
[18:27] <bazhang> we only have ikoni a
[18:27] <Pici> heh
[18:33] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[18:34] <ikonia> tsimpson: he asked in #python too, I do suspect this is a young kid, excited to be a hacker
[18:49] <k1l_> yes, the ubuntu support he needed was backtrack support most times.
[18:55] <ikonia> is't backbox now, even more l33t


[03:42] <tsimonq2> pleia2_: I completed every one of the UWN summaries
[03:42] <tsimonq2> every one :)
[03:43]  * tsimonq2 is especially happy
[03:45] <tsimonq2> pleia2_: there's probably even time to write the summaries for the bullet-pointed things :D
[03:47] <tsimonq2> lyz: ^
[07:08] <pleia2_> tsimonq2: thanks, save your energy for next week :) I'll review tomorrow
[22:15] <pleia2> just added "Community team weeks 7-8 update" to Other Community News and still need a summary for "Mark Shuttleworth Talks "The Internet of Revenue Generating Things" at 4YFN 2016" under audio and video when someone has a chance
[22:15] <pleia2> otherwise looking pretty good :)
[22:19] <tsimonq2> :D
[22:20] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I'll do the SABDFL one in like 30 minutes
[22:23] <pleia2> thanks


[07:12] <zyga> good morning
[07:22] <mardy> zyga: hi! Long time no see :-)
[07:22] <zyga> hey mardy :)
[07:23] <zyga> I'm back in my office _finally_
[07:23] <zyga> after nearly two weeks of summer holidays and travel and working from weird places
[07:26] <mardy> uh, summer holidays, that must have been horrible! ;-)
[07:28] <zyga> mardy, yes when it's not for you but for your family ;)
[07:28] <zyga> and you work from the back seat
[07:41] <mardy> hehe :-)
[07:42] <zyga> mardy, over the years I've been following my family, working, wherever they go
[07:47] <mardy> next year hopefully you'll have accumulated some holidays of your own
[08:20] <mardy> can someone please confirm, that calling i18n.G() from inside snapd does not make much sense (and we should use it on the clients only)? Or does i18n.G() have some way to know the locale of the client, and does the right thing even when run from inside snapd?
[08:34] <zyga> mardy, I think it still makes sense, it's likely that the system wide locale is consistent and the messages are useful in general
[08:34] <zyga> I recognize the general issue though
[08:50] <mardy> zyga: I see, that's also true. But you do agree that the solution suggested here is better? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10606#discussion_r687857298
[08:50] <mup> PR #10606: o/hookstate/ctlcmd: unify the error message when context is missing <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10606>
[08:52] <mardy> but it's far from being trivial to implement
[10:13] <zyga_> mardy, yes this is true
[10:13] <zyga_> mardy, it's the good old API problem
[10:14] <zyga_> and "error codes"
[11:33] <mup> PR snapd#10613 opened: interfaces/builtin/firewall_control: allow ufw accesses <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10613>
[13:08] <mup> PR core18#180 opened: Generate dpkg.yaml <Created by ilasc> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/180>
[13:28] <mup> PR snapd#10614 opened: tests: new function to detect installed packages <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10614>
[14:37] <mardy> is snapd or snapcraft treating iptables in some special way? I'm trying to modify this snap to use ufw instead, but it's never found: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/main/interfaces-firewall-control/firewall-control-consumer/meta/snap.yaml
[14:37] <mardy> in the host system it's in /usr/sbin/ufw (iptables is in the same dir)
[14:37] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: what do you mean ? like ufw is not found inside the snap?
[14:37] <mardy> from inside the snap, "which iptables" gives /sbin/iptables
[14:37] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: exactly, iptables is found, ufw is not
[14:38] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: hmm is ufw in the base snap?
[14:39] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: ah, it's not in ls /snap/core/current/sbin/ at least (whereas iptables is there)
[14:40] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: ah, is this the issue we were discussing with the microk8s guys, when you said that they need to ship the binary themselves?
[14:43] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: which base snap are you using ?
[14:43] <ijohnson[m]> though interestingly core20 only has `/snap/core20/current/etc/ufw` in it, no actual ufw binary
[14:43] <ijohnson[m]> I seem to recall jdstrand saying something about ufw in core20 / focal ... I don't remember what though :-)
[14:44] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: anyways in the sort term the right thing is probably the same as what we discussed yes, just ship ufw in your snap instead of trying to consume from the base snap
[14:44] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: I can I check? I'm acually playing in the spread image google:ubuntu-20.04-64
[14:44] <jdstrand> I needed to make changes to ufw so the snap could be made to work with core20
[14:44] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: what's the snap.yaml
[14:44] <ijohnson[m]> oh hi jdstrand !
[14:44] <jdstrand> /etc/ufw in the core20 snap would be a mistake in the core20 snap
[14:44] <jdstrand> hi!
[14:45] <mardy> hi :-)
[14:45] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: the snap.yaml is https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/main/interfaces-firewall-control/firewall-control-consumer/meta/snap.yaml
[14:45] <jdstrand> fyi, I gave a detailed response just now: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10613#pullrequestreview-729689088
[14:45] <mup> PR #10613: interfaces/builtin/firewall_control: allow ufw accesses <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10613>
[14:45] <ijohnson[m]> jdstrand: so what changes to ufw need to be made to work in a core20 based snap?
[14:46] <ijohnson[m]> thanks jdstrand  for that!
[14:47] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: so since that snap.yaml does not have a `base` it is implicity using `core` as it's base, i.e. 16.04
[14:50] <mardy> jdstrand: just read your response; thanks a lot! It's indeed way more trivial than I though. But it seems you are also implying that the whole firewall-control interface we have now is not such a good idea, as it's very iptables specific (and should be called iptables-control, probably)
[14:50] <mardy> s/trivial/conplex/ :-D
[14:50] <jdstrand> ijohnson[m]: I made those changes already to the ufw snap and it is all upstream in master and the edge snap. *but* see my comment. note, I'm heading into a meeting and can't discuss this, but I hope I laid out enough info for you
[14:50] <mardy> "complex", oh, what's wrong with me :-)
[14:51] <jdstrand> mardy: it is, though nftables should be supported imo
[14:52] <ijohnson[m]> jdstrand: that all makes sense, thanks for sharing!
[14:52] <jdstrand> mardy: an argument could be made to allow cli utilities that use ipc. firewalld might fit into that. note, firewall-control is ancient and one of the first so we didn't yet have our experience with interfaces
[14:52] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: maybe you could relay this over to the k8s folks to see what they think? honestly I don't know in what way microk8s is driving firewall things
[14:53] <jdstrand> mardy: the thing is, none of these firewall programs are ubiquitous, except iptables (and nftables, sorta, but you gotta be careful which to choose (see ufw and lxd for how they decide)
[14:54] <jdstrand> which suggests to me that separate, specific -control interfaces are likely appropriate
[14:54] <jdstrand> mardy: though, even though firewall-control is ancient, we did think through it
[14:55] <jdstrand> mardy: network-control is to network-manager as firewall-control would be to {ufw,firewalld,shorewall,etc}-control
[14:55] <jdstrand> ok, gotta run! :)
[14:56] <jdstrand> fwiw, I suggest 'a' or if that proves difficult, 'b'
[14:57] <jdstrand> I haven't tried 'a', it might be a little finicky
[14:57] <jdstrand> s/finicky/fiddly/
[14:59] <mup> PR snapd#10615 opened: Revert "cgroup-support: allow to hide cgroupv2 warning via ENV" <Created by slyon> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10615>
[15:49] <mup> PR snapd#10612 closed: tests: fix core-early-config test to use tests.nested tool <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10612>
[16:57] <ijohnson[m]> is the forum down for anybody else? forum.snapcraft.io is not responding to pings for me
[17:57]  * cachio afk


[20:02] <pleia2> the dev server (+ wiki, docs) needs a routine upgrade, so I'm going to do that now
[20:03] <pleia2> er, reboot
[20:03] <pleia2> for a kernel upgrade, you know what I mean :)
[20:05] <pleia2> and all done
[20:05] <pleia2> probably should upgrade to 20.04 at some point, but we'll want some hands on deck for that one to deal with any potential impact to the services we run there (mostly making sure the wiki doesn't go sideways)
[20:50] <jphilips> pleia2: thanks. hope all is well with you and the little one.
[20:54] <pleia2> thanks :) all is well!
[23:16] <Unit193> pleia2: Depending on the time, I could likely be around to make sure the wiki is fine.


[12:56] <shinmen> OniAnubis: I once tried searching the pci ids of the cards in google and the linux kernel and nothing showed up. But it didn't really spent time on trying to make them work.
[01:47] <OniAnubis> Its an SBus card and its connected to the only HD's on the machine. If theres no support for it by default nothing but Solaris will install on the machine
[05:19] <fabbione> OniAnubis: is that a SOCAL card?
[06:07] <OniAnubis> How can I tell?


[22:09] <Dr_willis> carib909,  thats why we are trying to get you to run/use kate.  Its possible your keybindings are messed up if none of the  ctrl-WHATVER shortcuts are working
[22:09] <carib909> I d/l'd konsole and pasted it
[22:09] <Dr_willis> dl'd konsole? Huh?
[22:09] <Sydero> I don't like kate :/  seems a little too bloated
[22:09] <carib909> but no cntrl-x either...
[22:09] <carib909> trying kate now
[22:09] <Sydero> kwrite seems better
[22:10] <Dr_willis> He could of read through a VI tutorial by now.. :)
[22:10] <Sydero> yeah if you actually read through the tutorials and learn it
[22:10] <Sydero> it is faster
[22:11] <Dr_willis> we need to find a pastebin that he can just 'wget' the example file from. :)
[22:11] <Sydero> for what?
[22:12] <Dr_willis> all he nees to do is replace his sudoers file with a new/original one...
[22:12] <Dr_willis> so far... nano wont save. and hes been pasteing the file to the terminal.... :P
[22:12] <Sydero> never heard of a sudoers file :/
[22:12] <BooVeMan_work> you canb download the pastebin contents
[22:12] <BooVeMan_work> wget should do
[22:13] <Sydero> delete the file
[22:13] <Dr_willis>  kdesu kate /mnt/etc/sudoers               then copy the contents of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29714/ into it. Then in Konsole once more again:   sudo chmod 440 /mnt/etc/sudoers
[22:13] <Sydero> and echo is or whatever
[22:13] <Sydero> in*
[22:13] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  i  Think last it tried that - it grabed the whole html page
[22:14] <carib909> kate doesn't come on the kubuntu livecd and trying to aoo applications, kate does not show up under all available apps....
[22:14] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: there is a link below to doiwnload  - pass that
[22:14] <carib909> add apps
[22:15] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  heh - that 'link' dosent even look/show up as a link.. :) never noticed it befor
[22:15] <Dr_willis> sooooooooooo       wget http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29714/plain/
[22:15] <Dr_willis> Should download the file
[22:16] <carib909> kdesu kate /mnt/etc/sudoers
[22:16] <carib909> kdesu command not found
[22:16] <Dr_willis> carib909,  so from a terminal  'wget http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29714/plain/' will download the needed file locally to the filename index.html
[22:16] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: yep - just tried and worked as expected
[22:17] <Dr_willis> carib909,  then you can 'sudo cp index.html /mnt/etc/sudoers'       Then    ' sudo chmod 440 /mnt/etc/sudoers '
[22:17] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: better pass wget with an output param
[22:17] <Sydero> Why isn't 2.6.26 out yet?
[22:17] <Sydero> *the kernel
[22:17] <Dr_willis> we need to point out that Plain text link to Genii :)
[22:19] <carib909> index.html saved, but I have no clue where...
[22:19] <Dr_willis> same place you ran the command from
[22:19] <Sydero> probably desktop
[22:20] <Dr_willis> current directory
[22:20] <Sydero> oh
[22:20] <Dr_willis> so  now use the            sudo cp index.html /mnt/etc/sudoers            command
[22:20] <Dr_willis> then the last command...
[22:20] <Dr_willis>  sudo chmod 440 /mnt/etc/sudoers
[22:21] <Dr_willis> and i have NO idea how you broke your sudoers file. :)   so this is the extent of  my info on this problem.. genii may be back in a few min if its still broken
[22:22] <carib909> thanks so much. I did the chmod... what should I do now rebboot to the hard drive?
[22:22] <carib909> reboot
[22:23] <carib909> what does the chmod command do?
[22:23] <Dr_willis> try it and see i guess
[22:23] <Dr_willis> changes the permissions on the file - for security reasons
[22:23] <miguelneco> hola
[22:23] <BooVeMan_work> !spanish
[22:24] <carib909> Thanks for your help. I'll try to come back to give the result of your efforts..
[22:27] <smarty> anyone use Klik?
[22:28] <miguelneco> espanish si
[22:29] <filo1234> hello sorry for my stupid question but i don' t find it....where is path of screensavers on kde 3.5?
[22:31] <carib909> I booted into the default (topmost) version of ubuntu and ran an update from terminal and got this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29735/
[22:32] <filo1234> carib909:  you have change hostname ?
[22:33] <filo1234> carib909:  get on terminal  command hostname
[22:33] <carib909> should I have changed the hostname? how? terminal command hostname???
[22:34] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: if you ask like this - you haven't changed - nt to worry
[22:34] <filo1234> carib909:  on terminal get  hostname
[22:34] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: paste the contents of your sudoers file
[22:35] <carib909> type "get hostname" ?
[22:35] <smarty> anyone use Klik?
[22:35] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: nope nols hostname
[22:35] <filo1234> type  hostname
[22:35] <Dr_willis> smarty,  its proberly best to not use klick if you can avoide it. :)
[22:35] <carib909> what is nols?
[22:35] <BooVeMan_work> nols -> only
[22:35] <smarty> Doc : aiight thanks
[22:36] <smarty> Is there somethin wrong with it?
[22:36] <Dr_willis> it can cause issues. :)
[22:36] <smarty> Ah, okay
[22:36] <smarty> Thnx for da heads up
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a terrible implementation of a terrible concept :)
[22:37] <smarty> :P
[22:37] <filo1234> carib909: what say that command?
[22:37] <_CrashMaster_> !info klik
[22:37] <Daisuke_Ido> _CrashMaster_: click and run software.  hello windows!
[22:37] <carib909> nols hostname =   command not found
[22:38] <_CrashMaster_> carib909: Dont type nols. Only type the word "hostname"
[22:38] <filo1234> carib909:   i have say to you   hostname
[22:38] <carib909> using kubuntu with kde4
[22:38]  * histo this is a little confusing
[22:38] <carib909> hostname is ubunto804
[22:38] <Dr_willis> we are referign to   http://klik.atekon.de/ ?
[22:38] <carib909> ubuntu804
[22:39] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: paste the contents of your sudoers file
[22:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: that would be the one
[22:39] <Dr_willis> thats not spelt 'klick'  :) heh heh...
[22:39] <carib909> how do I get the contents of my sudoers file?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[22:39] <histo> cat
[22:39] <filo1234> carib909:  sudo nano /etc/hosts  and write in your hostname  here :  type <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu804
[22:40] <BooVeMan_work> filo1234: are you sure about the contents of the sudoers file that you make hime change his hostname?!?
[22:40] <BooVeMan_work> filo1234: or the name resolution?
[22:41] <Dr_willis> his hosts file MUST match his hostname - or else sudo wont work
[22:41] <Dr_willis> !hostname
[22:41] <BooVeMan_work> filo1234: and carib909 does not master nano
[22:42] <carib909> filo please give me the comple command. I am getting errors doing them commands separately..
[22:42] <histo> omg
[22:42] <Dr_willis> is this the whole reason for all thos sudoers editing for the last 2+ hrs?
[22:42] <filo1234> BooVeMan_work:  on /etc/hosts must to be the right hostname for runnig sudo
[22:42] <BooVeMan_work> filo1234: and he can't use sudo as the sudoers is damaged...
[22:42] <histo> he can use recovery mode
[22:43] <filo1234> BooVeMan_work:  with nano sudo work
[22:43] <Daisuke_Ido> use recovery mode, reset the hostname
[22:43] <filo1234> try to trust
[22:43] <foiasfoieff> is this lala land?
[22:43] <filo1234> sudo nano /etc/hosts
[22:43] <BooVeMan_work> filo1234: if sudo fails with apt-get it will work with nano - no creo (don't think so)
[22:44] <Daisuke_Ido> filo1234: sudo doesn't work on a per-app basis
[22:44] <Daisuke_Ido> filo1234: if it doesn't work, it doesn't work
[22:44] <Dr_willis> using a broken sudo to fix sudo. :)
[22:44] <filo1234> nope i know is strange  but work
[22:44] <filo1234> Dr_willis:  have you try  sometimes?
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> filo1234: you are so wrong, you've actually come around the other side
[22:45] <Dr_willis> filo1234,  yes.. and ive seen others try to fix this befor.
[22:45] <carib909> sudo nano /etc/hosts returns   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29740/
[22:45] <BooVeMan_work> ... as if i hadn't known so
[22:46] <filo1234> Dr_willis:  sometimes work other times must be make it from recovery mode
[22:46]  * histo :)
[22:46] <Daisuke_Ido> filo1234: you don't get it.  if sudo is broken it won't work with *any* app, as seen in his pastebin
[22:46] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: please do a cat /etc/hosts and paste the result
[22:46] <carib909> ok
[22:47] <histo> carib909: reboot and get in to recovery mode. Then you can edit  your hosts and hostmane
[22:48]  * BooVeMan_work likes to point out that carib909 is a beginner who needs very detailed steps who to do things
[22:48] <BooVeMan_work> *how
[22:48] <carib909> cat/etc/hosts returns    http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29744/
[22:48] <carib909> histo  what do i edit and how and where?
[22:49] <filo1234> BooVeMan_work:  i have most experience on same problem  with sudo nano was possible to edit file,  if not possible must to make it from recovery mode, but try isn' t expensive
[22:50] <Daisuke_Ido> filo1234: did you read his pastebin?
[22:50] <filo1234> Daisuke_Ido:  sure
[22:50] <carib909> booveman can you paste instructions that I can follow if I have to use recovery mode please?
[22:50] <BooVeMan_work> ... seams fine to me...
[22:50] <Daisuke_Ido> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29740/ <- filo1234 just so you can see it again
[22:50] <filo1234> Daisuke_Ido:  was a try
[22:50] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: your hosts file seem s all right
[22:50] <filo1234> Daisuke_Ido:  i have to seeee... but maybe you don' t understand me
[22:51] <filo1234> BooVeMan_work:  is' n right hosts file
[22:52] <carib909> BooVeMan   i cannot issue an update or upgrade command. neither synaptic manager or Adept will start up
[22:52] <filo1234> BooVeMan_work:  for you is right this line?? <IP_ADDRESS> Ubunto804.Chords Ubunto804
[22:53] <filo1234> hostname must corrisponde on  /etc/hosts
[22:53] <filo1234> ok i shut up
[22:54] <carib909> I am not sure what you mean but all the information is correct. the workgroup or domain is chords and the hostname is ubuntu804: I am not sure what the 2nd ubuntu804 is for. that is NOT the username.
[22:54] <posingaspopular> how do i ignore join/parts in irssi
[22:54] <posingaspopular> please
[22:55] <carib909> filo1234 doesn't the hostname correspond in /etc/hosts?
[22:55] <filo1234> nope
[22:55] <carib909> what does it show as the hostname there?
[22:56] <filo1234> carib909:   hostname command  result?
[22:56] <Dr_willis> posingaspopular,  you use the /ignore command..  forget the exact syntax
[22:56] <Dr_willis> posingaspopular,  the irssi hompage has  examples/docs of it.
[22:56] <posingaspopular> Dr_willis: i tried /ignore JOINS #ubuntu-room
[22:56] <Dr_willis> posingaspopular,  t you may have it backwards.
[22:56] <carib909> hostname command result = ubuntu804
[22:57] <_CrashMaster_> hang on a second.. You aren't allowed to have spaces in your hostname. Are you?
[22:57] <Dr_willis> Ive never seen a hostename with spaces
[22:57] <carib909> no spaces what spaces are you seeing?
[22:57] <posingaspopular> spaces are not allowed in hostnames
[22:57] <_CrashMaster_>  Ubunto804.Chords Ubunto804
[22:58] <_CrashMaster_> space between Chords and the last part
[22:58] <Dr_willis> my hosts file line for this box -------->     <IP_ADDRESS> Tiny
[22:58] <carib909> chords is the workgroup
[22:58] <filo1234> Dr_willis:  your hostname is Tiny
[22:58] <Dr_willis> aha.. Hmm..i recall some issues with workgoups in the hostname..
[22:58] <carib909> ok how can I correct this?
[22:58] <filo1234> nooopeee
[22:58] <Dr_willis> filo1234,  yes it is. :) this machines name is 'Tiny'
[22:59] <filo1234> ok
[22:59] <posingaspopular> got it now, thanks Dr_willis
[22:59] <filo1234> carib909:  that line must be so <IP_ADDRESS> Ubuntu804 <------your right hostname
[23:00] <carib909> ubuntu804 is the hostname...
[23:00] <filo1234> carib909:  you must be reboot on kernel recovery mode
[23:00] <carib909> ok then do what?
[23:00]  * genii puts on yet another pot of coffee
[23:01] <filo1234> carib909:  after  you must  say  nano /etc/hosts  and replace that words
[23:01] <Daisuke_Ido> extra strength, please
[23:01] <carib909> genii welcome back. I am still struggling to fix hosts file
[23:01] <filo1234> carib909:  that line must be so <IP_ADDRESS> Ubuntu804 <------your right hostname
[23:01] <Dr_willis> Hostname is what your computer will be "called" under ubuntu and the domain name only applies if you belong to a domain which desktops generally do not.
[23:01] <BooVeMan_work> genii: Dr_willis didn't know that you can wget the contens of a pastebin
[23:02] <carib909> ???
[23:02] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  genii  dident know either. :)  i memo'd  that link/plain thing to him :)
[23:02] <genii> It's all good :)
[23:02] <carib909> I installed ubuntu 8.04 server. I wanted to run this as a server.
[23:02] <Dr_willis> silly link that dident look like a link.
[23:02] <genii> carib909: So you managed to reboot into hd after repairing the sudoers file from livecd no and are onto next issue?
[23:02] <Dr_willis> carib909,   if wanting to run a server. you proberly will want to be spending some time learning some bash basics,
[23:03] <carib909> I am learning
[23:03] <genii> Yes indeedy
[23:03] <BooVeMan_work> genii: yes returns a syntax error
[23:03] <BooVeMan_work> genii: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29740/
[23:03] <carib909> I am MCSE certified and CCNA, but UNIX is new to me. I am trying to learn through Linux...
[23:03] <genii> BooVeMan_work: What is it thats returning some syntax error?
[23:04] <BooVeMan_work> jep
[23:04] <Dr_willis> carib909,  it may be well worth the effort to spend a few hrs learning vi. (put on to do list) heh...
[23:04] <BooVeMan_work> the pastebin i posted
[23:04] <carib909> And what is vi?
[23:04] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: test editor liek nano
[23:04] <BooVeMan_work> *text
[23:04] <genii> carib909: When you copied the sudoers file over, you did not also copy the line numbers of each line from pastebin, did you?
[23:05] <Dr_willis> genii,  the wget command did not grab the line #'s :)
[23:05] <carib909> ok I will try that, but now its vi or kate or knosole or nano.... which one to use?
[23:05] <Dr_willis> carib909,  learn them all.
[23:05] <BooVeMan_work> genii: no we made him do a wget - so no line numbers
[23:05] <genii> Dr_willis: OK, good
[23:05] <carib909> Right now I jsut want to try to fix broken hosts
[23:06] <BooVeMan_work> to me ints not broken...
[23:06] <Dr_willis> carib909,  so you need to edit your /etc/hosts file to match the machines actual 'hostname'
[23:06] <carib909> genii I did not copy the line numbers
[23:07] <carib909> I still was unable to issue an update command without errors. My update packages would not work or even start when using the gui.
[23:07] <genii> carib909: If you learn vi it is the classic admin tool since things like vipw and vipasswd are based on it. But I personally prefer nano or pico
[23:07] <Dr_willis> it pays to learn vi.. :) and learn it well.
[23:07] <BooVeMan_work> genii: or for sudoedit
[23:08] <carib909> I followed all the instructions to chmod the file and rebooted but still they say there is something wrong with my hostname
[23:08] <carib909> Where does one get docs for vi?
[23:08] <posingaspopular> carib909: google ;p
[23:08] <filo1234> carib909:  chmod?? who say to you to use chmod?
[23:09] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: can you repost what you send him?
[23:09] <BooVeMan_work> filo1234: yes chmod
[23:09] <genii> filo1234: The sudoers file *must* be 440 permissions. So when he recreates one it requires to chmod it
[23:10] <carib909> how can I go back to the conversation b4 genii left?
[23:10] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  basically put output of   wget http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29714/plain/     into /etc/hosts
[23:10] <filo1234> BooVeMan_work:  him problem  isn' permission
[23:10] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: hoope into /etc/sudoers - if not we are blown ;-)
[23:11] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  he never even mentioned hosts untill just now.. it was sudoers
[23:11] <deyvesson> gente estou tentando instalar o mercury mas naum to conseguindo sou novo no linux alguem pode ajudar?
[23:11] <carib909> filo1234 I followed geinii's instructions from 2 hours ago...and the last command was chmod .....
[23:11]  * Dr_willis  wonders how the system got so messed up.
[23:11] <filo1234> carib909:  ok follow genii
[23:12] <deyvesson> alguem do brazil ai?
[23:12] <BooVeMan_work> !Portuguese
[23:13] <carib909> filo1234 thanks for your help... I am not sure genii is available
[23:14] <filo1234> carib909:  i have say to you my solution
[23:15] <carib909> I do not fully understand your solution. Can you paste specific step by step actions to take in pastebin for me please?
[23:19] <filo1234> carib909:  follow this steps  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29757/
[23:20] <carib909> ok thanks let me look
[23:20] <Dr_willis> hopefully his nano works now....
[23:20] <sanel> #bosnia
[23:20] <BooVeMan_work> hopefully he knows how to boot into recovery mode
[23:21] <filo1234> carib909:  are you able to reboot recovery mode?
[23:21] <Dr_willis> hopefully he will leve the domain blank in the future. :)
[23:21] <carib909> filo1234 when I boot to recovery mode should I select drop to shell?
[23:22] <carib909> how do I "edit the line into shell" sudo ?
[23:22] <filo1234> carib909:  recovery mode is a tty terminale ( like a shell )
[23:22] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: my hosts contains domain names and works just fine... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29760/
[23:22] <filo1234> carib909:  nope without sudo
[23:22] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  aparently his dosent. :)
[23:23] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: sadly
[23:23] <carib909> how do I execute step 4?
[23:23] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  i was thinking he entered a workgroup name.. not a domain name.
[23:23] <Dr_willis> BooVeMan_work,  but i got no idea of the ORIGINAL problem.
[23:23] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: that may or may not be the difference...
[23:23] <filo1234> BooVeMan_work:  him  hostname  is Ubuntu804  on /etc/hosts  he have Ubunto804
[23:23] <Dr_willis> carib909,  using the nano editor make the changes.
[23:24] <filo1234> Dr_willis:  is not original problem,
[23:24] <Dr_willis> <IP_ADDRESS> Ubunto804.Chords Ubunto804       becomes        <IP_ADDRESS>  Ubunto804
[23:24] <filo1234> nopeee Ubuntu804
[23:24] <Dr_willis> theres been so many problems.. im not even sure what disrto hes using....... :)
[23:25] <carib909> BooVeMan I cannot launch synaptic manager or adept
[23:25] <BooVeMan_work> Dr_willis: (12:26:36 PM) carib909: I have an error in my etc/samba/smb.conf file and I cannot sudo kate to correct tit. Will not let me save. Apt and synaptic cannot identify the host and I can no longer browse hard drives.
[23:25] <carib909> I cannot do sudo apt-get updates
[23:26] <MrKennie> apt-get update
[23:26] <filo1234> carib909:  want follow solutions? or not?
[23:27] <carib909> I just printed steps. I am not sure how to reboot to recovery mode shell
[23:27] <genii> I have 30 ppl here I need to go babysit. AFK
[23:27] <carib909> lol sorry guys I am just learning
[23:27]  * BooVeMan_work hands genii a beer and a coffee to choose from
[23:28] <Dr_willis> sounds to me like a lot of unlrelated issues going on.. and i wonder what happened to cause all them
[23:29] <carib909> filo1234 so I reboot and select recovery mode which is the 2nd selection then what?
[23:29] <Dr_willis> i wonder.. has the machine EVER worked properly?
[23:29] <filo1234> carib909: give command
[23:29] <BooVeMan_work> carib909: use the shell option
[23:29] <filo1234> carib909:  i have write command on pastebin
[23:29] <filo1234> carib909:  print that
[23:30] <carib909> It was a clean install but each installation had one issue or another. Mot of the problems came from nvidia drivers.
[23:30] <Dr_willis> ugh.. if you are wanting to run a server...err... i wont even go there....
[23:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:30] <carib909> filo1234 I printed your pastebin but you maade general staements that I do not know how to execute.
[23:31] <carib909> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29757/
[23:31] <carib909> I have run windows 2003 server for years
[23:32] <Dr_willis> using the nano editor, you are going to change 1 line of the file basically.  - is how i read those instructions.
[23:32] <filo1234> carib909:  you must to give that commands
[23:32] <carib909> here I go
[23:35] <HardDrago> Hi F@lks
[23:39] <idoo> hi
[23:40] <idoo> I want to run a pl script as super user
[23:40] <idoo> how can i do that
[23:40] <idoo> its install script
[23:40] <BooVeMan_work> idoo: sudo >script>
[23:40] <BooVeMan_work> idoo: sudo <script>
[23:42] <idoo> thanks BooVeMan_work
[23:42] <idoo> :)
[23:55] <ubuntu_> hola
[23:55] <_CrashMaster_> !es