[19:37] <netritious> TGIM! wait, that can't be right...
[20:49] <wrst> ha ha more like tuesday for me
[21:00] <netritious> did you work yesterday wrst?
[21:01] <wrst> no just don't work friday
[21:02] <wrst> that's when we are getting the holiday for the 4th
[21:02] <wrst> how are you doing netritious?
[21:09] <netritious> doing well wrst, how about you?
[21:35] <wrst> doing pretty well about to check out and start the go home process hopefully :)


[00:38] <kanliot> sup ibos
[06:47] <cristian_c> Hi
[06:47] <cristian_c> I was told to subscribe to the lubuntu developers mailing list
[06:48] <cristian_c> but I don't find it
[06:48] <cristian_c> Does anyone know it?
[06:48] <wxl> it's basically lubuntu-qa, chalcedony
[06:48] <wxl> oops
[06:48] <wxl> cristian_c:
[06:48] <cristian_c> ok, I look immediately
[06:48] <wxl> it's on launchpad
[06:48] <cristian_c> wxl, thanks for the answer :)
[06:48] <wxl> np
[06:49] <wxl> you joining the dev group?
[06:50] <cristian_c> No, I've posted this: https://answers.launchpad.net/lubuntu-default-settings/+question/206269
[06:51] <cristian_c><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:51] <cristian_c> Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list.
[06:51] <wxl> oh right
[06:52] <wxl> so try becoming a member
[06:52] <cristian_c> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa/+join
[06:53] <cristian_c> Since this is a moderated team, one of its administrators will have to approve your membership before you actually become a member.
[06:53] <cristian_c> :)
[06:53] <wxl> exactly
[06:53] <wxl> now you get to exercise patience
[06:53] <cristian_c> Your request to join Lubuntu-QA is awaiting approval. , Your mailing list subscription is awaiting approval.
[06:53] <cristian_c> wxl, ok, thanks for the info :)
[12:13] <bioterror> Fira, fix your connection
[12:16] <Fira> yeah...
[12:16] <Fira> it's silly ZNC join flooding on startup
[12:17] <Fira> this is silly, i can't even update it to last git which supposedly fixes this, because nearly all ports are blocked outgoing on the node
[12:17] <Fira> :(
[12:18] <bioterror> move to screen + weechat
[12:18] <bioterror> or tmux + weechat ;)
[12:41] <igor__> Testing
[12:51] <phi-scribe> 123
[13:45] <akls> gs ate 100 mb of memory. Why? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-11-164504_548x53_scrot.png
[13:46] <bioterror> and gs is?
[13:49] <akls> ghostscript
[13:50] <akls> how can I fix it besides just killing it?
[13:51] <bioterror> probably something has use for it
[13:51] <bioterror> kill it! ;D
[13:52] <akls> now if I reboot...
[13:54] <akls> it's there again : <
[13:56] <akls> removed my printer from "Printing" and now it's fixed
[13:56] <akls> alright, thanks, bye :D
[13:56] <bioterror> :D
[13:56] <bioterror> next time you can use lsof
[13:56] <bioterror> for example
[16:00] <toscho> hi
[16:00] <toscho> my autostart still doesn't work properly
[16:01] <toscho> i have added "&" to the end of the lines in ~/.config/lxsession/lubuntu/autostart, but the lines aren't processed properly
[16:40] <hubert_> hey, guys, what kind of login screen does lubuntu use?
[16:40] <zleap> not sure as I did a install lubuntu desktop so i still ahve the one that came with ubuntu
[16:41] <zleap> however i think it uses the same colour scheme,  as lubuntu as in blue
[16:42] <hubert_> okay, i've made wrong question.. I am in tty now, i have installed ubuntu mini (no x), i installed lubuntu-desktop, but now i need to run it, but idk how, what command shall i use.
[16:52] <pmatulis> hubert_: reboot
[16:52] <pmatulis> hubert_: or try 'sudo lightdm'
[17:02] <viniciusarq> anybody there?
[17:02] <wxl> viniciusarq: nope, we're hiding.
[17:02] <pmatulis> there are 72 people in this channel
[17:02] <viniciusarq> lol
[17:02] <viniciusarq> just have some fun
[17:02] <wxl> …
[17:03] <viniciusarq> i'm having some trouble with torrent in my lubuntu
[17:03] <viniciusarq> could u help me?
[17:03] <wxl> no one knows if they can help you if they don't know the problem, viniciusarq
[17:04] <wxl> no need for pleasantries; just get to the point and we'll see what we can do
[17:04] <viniciusarq> sure.. sorry.. i'm having some instability in any torrent client tried
[17:04] <viniciusarq> at my other pc with win7 it's everything ok
[17:04] <wxl> you'll need to be more specific
[17:05] <viniciusarq> i've opened my router's doors 6881-6889
[17:05] <viniciusarq> "transmission" tells me that the door is open, but i'm getting only 70-80kbps
[17:05] <viniciusarq> 70-80kb/s sorry
[17:06] <viniciusarq> from my 1200-1300 kb/s normally
[17:07] <wxl> you use μtorrent on the win7 machine?
[17:07] <viniciusarq> yes
[17:08] <wxl> well that's no fun
[17:08] <wxl> can't use either on the other machine
[17:08] <wxl> but you have tried other clients on the linux box/
[17:09] <viniciusarq> yeah
[17:09] <viniciusarq> deluge / transmission
[17:09] <wxl> are you comparing the exact same torrent?
[17:09] <viniciusarq> yeah
[17:10] <viniciusarq> full speed in utorrent in linux 80kb/s
[17:10] <wxl> did you check encryption, max connections, speed limits?
[17:10] <viniciusarq> encrytion and speed limits yeah let me see max connections
[17:13] <viniciusarq> not working yet
[17:13] <viniciusarq> do i need to open something in firewall?
[17:13] <viniciusarq> i mean firewall in lubuntu
[17:13] <wxl> if it's open it's open
[17:14] <wxl> you can double check here http://canyouseeme.org/
[17:14] <wxl> you should also see https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/SlowSpeeds
[17:14] <kanliot> transmission has problems with upnp routers, usually you want to setup up port forwarding manuallly
[17:15] <viniciusarq> door 6881 open by canuseeme
[17:15] <wxl> like i said, if it's open it's open
[17:16] <viniciusarq> that's really strange
[17:16] <wxl> so are clowns.
[17:18] <wxl> you should head over to #transmission and see what those nice chaps say. i'd love to hear the results, viniciusarq
[17:18] <wxl> OOoOooOoOoooo i didn't realize there was a curses interface https://github.com/fagga/transmission-remote-cli
[17:19] <redderhs> I'm getting the same speeds via transmission / deluge / utorrent.
[17:19] <wxl> redderhs: across different operating systems?
[17:20] <redderhs> yup
[17:20] <wxl> that appears to be the issue here
[17:20] <redderhs> He could also try running utorrent via wine
[17:20] <viniciusarq> actually it seems that when i opened the doors my speed slow down a lot...
[17:20] <redderhs> see if that makes any difference.
[17:21] <redderhs> he/she
[17:21] <wxl> oh
[17:21] <wxl> i thought of something
[17:21] <wxl> your isp may be throttling those ports
[17:21] <wxl> if your router supports upnp (despite what kanliot said) give that a shot. if no luck still, try some totally off the wall port number.
[17:22] <redderhs> yeah its not too good to use the torrent standardized ports from what i've read
[17:22] <redderhs> best to use your own port number off the top of your head.
[17:22] <wxl> that's been my experience in general
[17:22] <wxl> personally i've had good luck with upnp on transmission on os x but haven't used it in linux
[17:23] <redderhs> deluge runs good on lubuntu for me. transmission is also a good client but lacks some functionality uTorrent users may have come to expect
[17:23] <redderhs> i keep both installed.
[17:24] <wxl> ooh cool zenith is still floating about
[17:24] <wxl> have you guys seen that movie?
[17:24] <wxl> soo good
[17:24] <wxl> http://www.legittorrents.info/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=5aa6a160a7470b00e4b3d0ee824333fb7c934ca7
[17:25] <wxl> http://www.publicdomaintorrents.info/nshowcat.html?category=horror
[17:26] <redderhs> the movies public domain?
[17:26] <wxl> yeah
[17:26] <redderhs> interesting
[17:26] <wxl> a boy and is dog is public domain now wow
[17:26]  * wxl moves to #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:27] <viniciusarq> i'll try utorrent for linux
[17:28] <viniciusarq> tried to turn upnp off in transmission lets see
[19:34] <viniciusarq> hey
[19:35] <viniciusarq> has anyone experienced internet slowdown with downloads in torrent?
[20:02] <wxl> we have people on here who have had the exact opposite problem as you have, which suggests you have a problem with yuor connection or how your using transmission or something else viniciusarq
[20:03] <wxl> another way of putting it: this is not a lubuntu problem, per se. you may get better help from people who you can guarantee use transmission on a daily basis
[20:03] <wxl> for that you should join #transmission
[20:03] <wxl> there are 106 people there to help you out
[20:03] <wxl> ok?
[20:04] <zleap> transmission is a file sharing programme right ?
[20:04] <wxl> it's a p2p client, specifically in that it handles torrents
[20:04] <zleap> ok
[20:13] <viniciusarq> i was going to ask if u suggest me to try changing network-manager to wicd
[20:15] <wxl> i'd call that a definitive no, viniciusarq
[20:15] <wxl> i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
[20:15] <wxl> i don't care what people say, wicd sucks
[20:15] <viniciusarq> wxl, that's why i came here! tks anyway
[20:15] <wxl> viniciusarq: if you want help setting it up, i can tell you how
[20:15] <wxl> but i don't think it will solve your problem
[20:16] <wxl> and in my experience it might create some new ones
[20:18] <vinicius_arq> wxl, sorry
[20:18] <vinicius_arq> wxl, torrent you mean?
[20:20] <wxl> vinicius_arq: i don't understand your question. you asked abotu problems with torrent. i suggested #transmission. then you were wondering if wicd might help. i said no. you said that's why you came. i said i'd be happy to help you with it, but i think it will create more problems than it will solve. this is not specific to torrents, but in general.
[20:26] <vinicius_arq> wxl, i'm almost getting crazy about that i'm sorry... the most strange thing is that now i'm connected by eth and it is normal and stable, download and connection by itself
[20:27] <wxl> you're saying your problem disappeared vinicius_arq ?
[20:27] <vinicius_arq> wxl, i'm starting to think about my router configuration...
[20:27] <vinicius_arq> wxl, connected by cable yes
[20:27] <vinicius_arq> wifi continues the same problem
[20:27] <wxl> vinicius_arq: wifi is much more inconsistent than ethernet
[20:28] <redderhs> interference + distance can also come into play.
[20:28] <vinicius_arq> wxl, i know but if i run win7 in the same pc at the same place and distance from the router it gets full speed, and do not gets instable...
[20:29] <wxl> still i'm not surprised
[20:30] <vinicius_arq> i think i'll have to accept that lol
[20:31] <redderhs> While i'm not an expert at such a resolution towards the issue, i would say it could help if you find out your specific chipset you're using for wlan and to search that on google like "chipset ubuntu" with other keywords
[20:31] <redderhs> to maybe find someone whom has the same issue you do.. that may give you a lead on some possible options
[20:32] <vinicius_arq> redderhs, i'm going to do that.. tks for all
[20:33] <redderhs> Good luck
[20:33] <vinicius_arq> tks
[22:52] <Osmodivs> Hello. So I was backimg up my stuff to another HDD, y selected all my files and cut them, and then paste them to the other HDD, it only paste it half of the files before running out of space, NOW, I don't have the rest of the files in my original HDD, it is as they just disapeared. How do I recover my files?
[23:02] <redderhs> Osmodivs: Hi, I too recently had a similar issue; where my file names were too long when I cut and pasted them. Since the filenames were too long they were not moved and i lost some. I brought this up in the offtopic chat and a fellow user stated but dont quote him/her, that it could be a bug.
[23:02] <redderhs> Please wait till someone else can give you further details on the true answer to your question.
[23:04] <redderhs> For the record, I was using 12.04 x64
[23:05] <redderhs> Also, if it helps at all, I have been successful as a work around, using copy + paste.
[23:15] <redderhs> Although I have not tried this in conjunction with the issue aforementioned; I have had success in the past recovering files with Windows software on Windows 7 using recuva. The idea just popped in my mind now that possibly one of these alternative software(s) may assist you in a resolution. http://alternativeto.net/software/recuva/
[23:16] <Osmodivs> redderhs: Well, I guess i could use PhotoRec in Lubuntu...
[23:16] <redderhs> To me, from the descriptions i've read, that sounds like a good choice
[23:16] <Osmodivs> redderhs: But the point is, this is one HELLAVA' bug, I tell you what.
[23:16] <redderhs> oh yes, i agree.
[23:17] <redderhs> imo, it shouldn't exist either, should be top on the list to get fixed asap for the author to have his/her software taken seriously.
[23:18] <wxl> i'm getting in here at the end of the convo but ya'll are making bug reports and not just complaining, right? XD
[23:19] <redderhs> I'm gonna check now to see if said issue is listed as a bug report. wxl: to the pcmanfm dudes webpages or would you recommend posting in both lubuntu and pcmans pages?
[23:20] <wxl> redderhs: i think it is. there is at least something similar. i haven't watched it carefully. i would first put a bug on sourceforge and then link the trcaker there to a bug on launchpad
[23:20] <wxl> if your'e not sure there's another bug, jhust make a new one and it'll get duped when it's triaged
[23:20] <redderhs> aye captain.
[23:20] <wxl> danke
[23:23] <Osmodivs> Uh... How do I report this?
[23:24] <wxl> Osmodivs: sounds like redderhs is already on it so it will simply be a matter of confirming it when he's got it up
[23:24] <wxl> if not
[23:24] <wxl> !bug
[23:25] <holstein> Osmodivs: i always just do copy for that reason.. or use grsync .. its arguably a bug though
[23:25] <holstein> i do copy and delete the others after i see that they have gone
[23:26] <Osmodivs> There is not even a Ctrl-Z option for this mistake
[23:27] <Osmodivs> Now all I am getting from PhotoRec is pictures from my browser's cache..
[23:27] <Osmodivs> oh my...
[23:28] <holstein> grsync is an rsync gui that allows you to "try" it before you do it... im assuming it might catch those errors like that
[23:29] <Unit193> rsync has -n, --dry-run               perform a trial run with no changes made
[23:30] <holstein> Unit193: it'll give that "out of space" warning, correct?
[23:32] <holstein> Osmodivs:  i would say, bug or not, if thats the only copy of the data you have, and its mission critical, i wouldnt trust that to a copy/paste or a click and drag scenario
[23:32] <wxl> i agree and disagree holstein
[23:32] <Osmodivs> holstein: Well, too late for the advice :(
[23:32] <wxl> i think it's unsafe to assume that most people will go for the "safest" scenario but instead will do what's easiest
[23:33] <Osmodivs> I had 30GB+ of info there
[23:33] <Osmodivs> and now it is gone
[23:33] <Unit193> Tried testdisk?
[23:34] <Osmodivs> Yeah, Photorec is onlly recovering files from my Browser's cahe
[23:34] <Osmodivs> If there was only an option to search for folders
[23:34] <holstein> i dont have the skill to fix the "issue" though wxl, so i can only suggest doing arguably proper methods on the user side
[23:35] <holstein> wxl: if you think we should fix the copy/paste or ask for it to be fixed to "crash" more elegantly, or check the space before copying... i can aggree with that
[23:36] <Unit193> holstein: Yeah, pcmanfm has no error checking.  File name incorrect for NTFS?  I'll tell you after "moving" it.
[23:36] <holstein> i remember queing up something to copy to a USB stick last week and i noticed it wasnt going to fit... i wasnt given a warning.. but i lost data like that in windows XP once, and stopped doing "move"
[23:37] <wxl> holstein: let's put it to you this way. i use rm. i don't delete. i don't send stuff to trash. i certainly prefer lower-level because i know i can trust it more. i just don't think we can expect that from the average user. and when something messes up, telling them to do something different when it's too late is like adding insult to injury :)
[23:37] <wxl> holstein: so realy you and i agree with one another. i'm just feeling bad for poor Osmodivs :)
[23:38] <holstein> yup.. likewise
[23:38] <holstein> when the exact thing happened to me, i decided not to do move anymore
[23:38] <holstein> i forget if i got the data back...
[23:38] <wxl> i move a lot (in terminal). i just make sure i know what i'm doing before i hit enter
[23:38] <Osmodivs> Well, they should warn us noobs about that, I would not expect such a bad bug in such a OS
[23:40] <wxl> Osmodivs: on the other hand, where would we warn you?
[23:40] <wxl> an intelligent place would be in the release notes
[23:40] <redderhs> submitted report
[23:40] <wxl> but you won't necessarily find that before the problem happens
[23:40] <wxl> redderhs: where?
[23:40] <redderhs> launchapd
[23:41] <wxl> bug number?
[23:41] <redderhs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1065760
[23:41] <Osmodivs> ubuntu-bug linux?
[23:41] <Osmodivs> Or what software, manager?
[23:41] <wxl> Osmodivs: just go to that link and confirm it (right under the title)
[23:41] <wxl> you'll need a login if you don't already have one
[23:42] <Osmodivs> Oh, I have one
[23:42] <redderhs> I just created one =P
[23:44] <wxl> Osmodivs: give me the result of "apt-cache policy pcmanfm"
[23:44] <redderhs> the results are in my log, but it's best if you run it yourself to confirm that you had the issue on the same version as I.
[23:45] <wxl> duh sorry
[23:45] <wxl> nevermind
[23:45] <redderhs> oh
[23:45] <redderhs> i thought you were wxl @_@
[23:45] <wxl> ohhhh
[23:45] <redderhs> 0.9.10-0ubuntu2
[23:45] <wxl> HAHAHAH you make me laugh redderhs
[23:45] <redderhs> adsoijfaoisd
[23:45] <redderhs> you know what i mean
[23:45] <wxl> fixed in version 1 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3565792&group_id=156956&atid=801864
[23:45] <wxl> 1.01 i shoudl say
[23:46] <wxl> which is available in quantal
[23:46] <wxl> SO
[23:46] <wxl> time to upgrade :)
[23:46]  * redderhs upgrades
[23:46] <redderhs> kinda surprise Update Manager didn't do that automatically.
[23:47] <redderhs> unless it's not in repo yet
[23:47] <wxl> it's not
[23:47] <wxl> i think ti's got a week left
[23:47] <redderhs> eh, ill just wait for the repo to add it.
[23:48] <wxl> i'd tell you to add lubuntu-dev or lubuntu-daily repos but afaik 1.01 is quantal-only meaning you'll break crap if you try to install in precise
[23:49] <redderhs> heh, yeah, not doing that =P
[23:55] <pmatulis> can anyone confirm that, on 12.10, if 2 instances of firefox are running, that closing one will also close the other one?


[05:52] <LucidFox> How do I install the Global Menu? The wiki page says it can be installed from the Unity PPA, but I don't see it there.


[10:08] <Assid> hrmm.. any of you guys using kopete? how do you set the shortcut for ESC to close the active chat window?
[10:08] <Level15> bluevapour: have you rebooted the machine?
[10:08] <bluevapour> Yeah twice :d
[10:08] <saylar> hmm, that's indeed odd
[10:08] <Level15> weirdo...
[10:09] <bluevapour> i have amd 4600+ dual core , 7600 gt, 1gig ram, 120gig hdd
[10:09] <bluevapour> if that helps
[10:09] <saylar> your machine is idle ore are there any processes using cpu time?
[10:09] <Level15> disable all desktop effects, composite extension, tell us what happens
[10:09] <bluevapour> Ok
[10:09] <saylar> check ksysguard from kde menu or top from the konsole
[10:09] <bluevapour> Sure
[10:10] <runlevelten> Imma log in in kopete to see...
[10:10] <bluevapour> Odd
[10:11] <bluevapour> It loads straight away with the performancemanager open
[10:11] <chovy_> re: screensavers -- power savings must be enabled for it to wokr.
[10:11] <bluevapour> Really weird
[10:11] <Assid> runlevelten:  got it
[10:11] <bluevapour> Seems to be ok now :D
[10:11] <bluevapour> Thanks guys
[10:11] <Assid> had to do it from within the chat window
[10:12] <saylar> you should work on something that is called patience, bluevapour.
[10:12] <saylar> no offense ;)
[10:12] <Pinky-ponk> assid yeah, just got it, heh
[10:12] <bluevapour> Dude
[10:12] <bluevapour> I weightlift and eat 6  cans of tuna per day to help with that
[10:13] <Assid> i hated having to use the mouse everytime to close the window.. and then alt tab
[10:13] <bluevapour> look up mercury poisinig symptoms then tell me that again lol
[10:13] <AloBlumenau> hi, I installed swat from synapitc
[10:13] <saylar> well, we just see your nick. so we don't know what's going with you ;)
[10:14] <AloBlumenau> how to start it if inetd doesnt exists
[10:14] <stdin> runlevelten: vain much :p
[10:14] <saylar> well, i think you got the point
[10:14] <runlevelten> Assid: Yeah, the close tab shortcut works well for me :)
[10:14] <runlevelten> ctrl w
[10:14] <Assid> ESC
[10:14] <stdin> AloBlumenau: you have to install an inetd server
[10:14] <runlevelten> Curse Tomboy for being good, and a mono app.
[10:15] <Assid> mono app ?
[10:15] <bluevapour> Anyone ran swat 4 on wine or cedega?
[10:15] <Assid> i need to start gaming
[10:15] <runlevelten> Assid: Did you install TC:E yet?
[10:15] <[ifr0g] > How many of you run swatch ?
[10:15] <vsudilov> stdin: Nice script, but I have to run the application to mount/unmount...How do I get the right-click contextual menu working?
[10:15] <Assid> whats that
[10:16] <[ifr0g] > or any one of you ?
[10:16] <Assid> TC:E ? runlevelten ?
[10:16] <Assid> wassat ?
[10:16] <runlevelten> True Combat Elite - across-platform squad-based tactical shooter.
[10:16] <Assid> i cant play FPS
[10:16] <Assid> get the biggest headaches
[10:16] <AloBlumenau> stdin: what is the package name? there isnt inetd on synapitc
[10:16] <bluevapour> So guys for TCE
[10:17] <stdin> vsudilov: restart konqueror, it'll be there
[10:17] <bluevapour> i install ET and then that after right?
[10:17] <runlevelten> Assid: You know for lots of people who get motion sickness and headaches with FPS games, they'll find some other FPS doesn't?
[10:17] <runlevelten> bluevapour: Yes.
[10:17] <stdin> AloBlumenau: inetd-superserver or inetutils-inetd
[10:17] <Assid> really?
[10:18] <runlevelten> Assid: Yeah. It's probably not something you want to experiment with much though, on account of not wanting a headache.
[10:18] <runlevelten> heh
[10:18] <AloBlumenau> netkit-inetd?
[10:18] <Assid> thats true
[10:18] <Wiggles> i used the autostart applications add on for control center
[10:18] <Assid> its not part of the regular repositories?
[10:18] <Wiggles> but i get this error
[10:18] <Wiggles> The desktop entry file /home/devin/.kde/Autostart/Beryl.desktop has no Type=... entry.
[10:19] <bluevapour> Quick question
[10:19] <bluevapour> For kde-look.org
[10:19] <stdin> AloBlumenau: that too
[10:19] <bluevapour> I just download double click and they auto change the interface?
[10:19] <Wiggles> i just set the command to "beryl-manager"
[10:19] <Assid> hrmm trying to see how do save history for kopete
[10:19] <Level15> Assid: for what IM service?
[10:20] <Assid> Level15:  kopete.. i think i found it
[10:20] <Assid> although im not sure how to access the archives
[10:20] <Level15> Assid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker
[10:20] <Level15> Assid: sorry about that
[10:21] <Assid> only way to do it is ALT LEFT..
[10:21] <Level15> Assid: klipper thinks it is smarter than me :P
[10:21] <Assid> but what about in a different window
[10:21] <Level15> Assid: ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: hmm, just a second
[10:21] <stdin> Wiggles: you can just make a link to beryl-manager "ln -s $(which beryl-manager) ~/.kde/Autostart/"
[10:21] <Assid> Level15: nothing within kopete?
[10:21] <Level15> Assid: not that i know of
[10:21] <vsudilov> stdin: Still no right-click menu. I installed via GUIinstall.sh. Perhaps I should try manual install?
[10:22] <runlevelten> bluevapour: instructions on how to install or use things will be given on kde-look.org
[10:22] <Level15> Assid: found it
[10:22] <Level15> Assid: right click on contact, view history
[10:22] <Assid> damn
[10:22] <Assid> someone kick me
[10:22] <Wiggles> stdin, i don't understand
[10:22] <stdin> vsudilov: there was a .deb too, but oh well, tell me if there is a file called ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/mountserv.desktop" ?
[10:22] <runlevelten> 's probably in $userkde/share/apps/kopete/
[10:23] <Level15> :D
[10:23] <idcoctor-1> What is the best why to remote desktop from WinDoze XP to Linux?
[10:23] <Assid> idcoctor-1: vnc
[10:23] <Level15> idcoctor-1: NX
[10:23] <runlevelten> idcoctor-1: depends what you want it for.
[10:23] <Assid> nx ?!??
[10:23] <Level15> Assid: vnc eats a LOT of bandwidth
[10:23] <stdin> Wiggles: ln -s makes what's called a "symbolic link" that command just points to beryl-manager
[10:23] <Assid> wtf is nx ?
[10:23] <runlevelten> What's NX? Get yourself to google boy, stat!
[10:23] <runlevelten> :)
[10:24] <stdin> !nx
[10:24] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[10:24] <vsudilov> stdin: Nope, not there -- shall I cp it there?
[10:24] <Level15> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology
[10:24] <trekdanne> Assid: non-free remote desktop
[10:24] <Level15> trekdanne: oh, it IS free
[10:24] <idcoctor-1> thanks
[10:24] <stdin> vsudilov: yep, you are the 2nd kubuntu user to say it didn't auto copy...
[10:24] <Level15> trekdanne: just there are propietary clients and servers as well
[10:25] <Level15> trekdanne: pretty much like ssh :D
[10:25] <runlevelten> also, on a lan, cygwin X does nicely.
[10:25] <Level15> runlevelten: ugh... that also eats a lot of bandwidth... but that's why you said "on a LAN"
[10:25] <Assid> hrmm.. i wanna try it
[10:25] <Assid> anyone wanna run nx?
[10:25] <tank71> anyone know anything about harddrives?
[10:25] <trekdanne> Level15: ah ok
[10:26] <Level15> tank71: i know something... just dunno if it's what u need :D
[10:26] <runlevelten> I like being able to use an individual GUI app if I have to use a windows machine
[10:26] <Level15> tank71: shoot
[10:26] <runlevelten> ie: amarok or kmail
[10:26] <idcoctor-1> Ya dont buy Maxtors
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: or you can edit the file with "kate .kde/Autostart/beryl<press tab here to complete>" and put the type as Application
[10:26] <tank71> ok so no Maxtor lol
[10:26] <Dragnslcr> tank71- they have circles in them that store lots of pictures and stuff
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> and they can break if you short them out
[10:26] <tank71> hmm learning more and more wow
[10:26] <idcoctor-1> anythink else is ok
[10:27] <chovy_> anyone know how to determine aspect ratio?
[10:27] <tank71> exactly how hard would it be to put another harddrive into another computer...install ubuntu on it...and not mess up the hd that has win on it
[10:27] <Dragnslcr> chovy_- don't you just divide?
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> chovy_: put horizontalpixels over vertical pixels and simplify
[10:27] <tank71> not that I ever use the HD with win on it thought...just have a lot of files I might need some day on it
[10:27] <Dragnslcr> tank71- quite easy, especially if you unplug the other hard drive first
[10:27] <chovy_> i meant for an avi
[10:28] <morph_> !adpetfix
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> tank71: very very easy
[10:28] <tank71> so how would I go about that
[10:28] <morph_> !adeptfix
[10:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adpetfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:28] <Dragnslcr> tank71- in theory, installing Ubuntu won't touch any drives that you don't tell it to
[10:28] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:28] <tank71> ya so how do I install the harddrive?
[10:28] <idcoctor-1> TANK71 just partition the first hard drive, and put linux on the second partition
[10:28] <tank71> its full
[10:29] <tank71> its only 40 gb
[10:29] <Wiggles> nosrednaekim, tab doesn't do anything
[10:29] <Dragnslcr> tank71- just to be safe, I would suggest just disconnecting the drive you don't want touched
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: you doing this from the command line?
[10:29] <Dragnslcr> tank71- you wouldn't need it during the install anyway
[10:29] <idcoctor-1> Yes I agree
[10:29] <tank71> ya but I've never installed a harddrive what do I do just plug it in?
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: but if he wants to dual boot...
[10:29] <Wiggles> nosrednaekim, i'm using Konsole
[10:29] <Level15> tank71: sata?
[10:29] <tank71> and yes I want to dual boot
[10:29] <Assid> i need some eye candy
[10:30] <Level15> tank71: yeah, plug it in
[10:30] <tank71> buy an sata harddrive?
[10:30] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: do "ls .kde/Autostart" and see what the shortcut is named
[10:30] <AloBlumenau> why when I stop a service form system services, nothing happens?
[10:30] <bluevapour> do "lite" themes improve performance?
[10:30] <AloBlumenau> still running
[10:30] <Level15> AloBlumenau: meaning, the service is not stopped?
[10:30] <Level15> AloBlumenau: stop it from the clo
[10:30] <Level15> *cli
[10:30] <tank71> ok so lets say I go to the store right now pick up a 60 gb harddrive...I can just plug it in...install ubuntu on it and be able to dual boot?
[10:30] <AloBlumenau> form where?
[10:30] <Level15>  /etc/init.d/myservice stop
[10:31] <Wiggles> nosrednaekim, Beryl.desktop
[10:31] <Level15> tank71: pretty much
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: ah ok....
[10:31] <Level15> tank71: is your box using sata or IDE?
[10:31] <tank71> so how do I setup the dual booting?
[10:31] <AloBlumenau> not system service crash
[10:31] <tank71> I dont know to be honest
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: edit the file with "kate .kde/Autostart/Beryl<press tab here to complete>" and put the type as Application
[10:31] <AloBlumenau> god dami,
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> ^^I added a capital B
[10:31] <Level15> tank71: ubuntu's install will make sure you can dual boot installing grub
[10:32] <AloBlumenau> everything I have to install need another package
[10:32] <AloBlumenau> bah
[10:32] <tank71> ok so whats this sata or IDE?
[10:32] <AloBlumenau> i'll go back to windows
[10:32] <Level15> tank71: just make sure grub gets installed on the MBR of the first HD, which will probably be windows drive
[10:32] <tank71> MBR?
[10:32] <Level15> tank71: it's the bus technology used to connect the HD to the MB
[10:32] <tank71> so could I look at it and tell you?
[10:32] <runlevelten> because windows contains more stuff than ubuntu by default?! hej
[10:33] <Level15> tank71: u need to know which one your MB supports before going to buy your new HD
[10:33] <vsudilov> stdin: Still no right click menu...let me check your manual install file and see if everythign was put where it needs to go
[10:33] <Level15> tank71: sure
[10:33] <Level15> tank71: is it a white belt/tape like connector?
[10:33] <Wiggles> nosrednaekim, i should add "Type=Application"?
[10:33] <tank71> sec
[10:33] <Level15> ok
[10:33] <bluevapour> Anyone know any really coooooool themes to look for on kde-look.org? i want darkgreen/bkac
[10:33] <AloBlumenau> runlevelten: because is much better
[10:33] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: there should already be a Type=<blank> but if there isn't, yes.
[10:34] <stdin> vsudilov: well the mountserv.desktop file needs to go to "~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/mountserv.desktop"  for a user install and "/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/mountserv.desktop" for a system install
[10:34] <tank71>  Level15: its a whole bunch of wires that go into the harddrive
[10:34] <tank71> like let me count...
[10:34] <Level15> runlevelten: well, messaging and mail, yes... that crappy outlook express and windows MSN...
[10:34] <Level15> tank71: wtf?
[10:34] <tank71> maybe I'm way wrong
[10:34] <tank71> sec
[10:35] <Level15> tank71: but they are all on a single white ribbon, right?
[10:35] <tank71> nope
[10:35] <AloBlumenau> please
[10:35] <Level15> tank71: oh, maybe you are looking at the power cords
[10:35] <AloBlumenau> can anyone help me setup smb
[10:35] <runlevelten> msn does msn only. No good to me.  How many of my compiled linux binaries do you suppose a windows install could run?
[10:36] <AloBlumenau> root@jupiter:/etc# ps axv | grep inetd
[10:36] <AloBlumenau>  9492 ?        Ss     0:00      0    17  1630   464  0.0 inetd stop
[10:36] <AloBlumenau>  9505 ?        Ss     0:00      0    17  1626   460  0.0 inetd start
[10:36] <AloBlumenau>  9542 pts/3    S+     0:00      0    91  2788   764  0.0 grep inetd
[10:36] <AloBlumenau> how its possible?
[10:36] <runlevelten> I'll tell you, NONE. Give it a fair crack of the whip if you're "comparing" it :)
[10:37] <Wiggles> Service '/home/devin/.kde/Autostart/Beryl.desktop' is malformatted.
[10:37] <Wiggles> ^I get that
[10:37] <tank71> I have one CD drive  (that doesnt work)<- that could be a problem? 1 HD and 1 xtra
[10:37] <Level15> q xtra what?
[10:37] <tank71> white ribbon thing
[10:37] <jhutchins> Wiggles: The error message says what's wrong.
[10:38] <Level15> tank71: here's what i'd do. get rid of the CD, buy HD, plug it on the unused white ribbon
[10:38] <Level15> linux should detect it as /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[10:38] <tank71> how would I install ubuntu without a CD?
[10:38] <Wiggles> jhutchins, how can i fix it?
[10:38] <Level15> tank71: make sure linux installs there, and NOT on /dev/hda unless you want to lose your windoze
[10:38] <Assid> you know.. the kubuntu DVD is bad :(
[10:38] <Assid> i had to use the CD to install
[10:39] <vsudilov> stdin: k, got everything where it needs to go and it works fine. Your readme explains everything pretty clearly, should have just started with those instructions
[10:39] <vsudilov> stdin: ty for the help, and the scripts ;)
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: you have a messed up .dersktop file, pastebin it please
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[10:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:39] <dipin> hey
[10:39] <dipin> how does work now, how would install packages, and drivers for some things
[10:39] <stdin> vsudilov: thanks :)
[10:39] <tank71> hmmm so I guess I should just try and see what goes wrong?
[10:39] <dipin> i mean kubuntu is a live cd, right?
[10:39] <dipin> can just someone explain how that works
[10:39] <Level15> tank71: lol... yes... that's the way to learn
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> dipin: you can oly do that kind of stuff when you install iot
[10:40] <tank71> ok well I gotta go get a hd
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> *it
[10:40] <tank71> how much do you think a 60 gig IDE harddrive will cost?
[10:40] <Level15> dipin: a live cd is a full OS that is booted from the CD and loaded into RAM. it can be fully used w/o touching your HD
[10:40] <stdin> dipin: you usually install kubuntu before you try installing packages
[10:40] <Wiggles> nosrednaekim, how can i find the .desktop file?
[10:40] <Dragnslcr> tank71- I doubt you could even find one
[10:40] <runlevelten> wiggle: here is a clean functional beryl.desktop: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33380/
[10:40] <dipin> nosrednaekim: so i can not install anything? can i actually install this stinking kubuntu?
[10:40] <Level15> tank71: i guess that depends on where you are.
[10:40] <Dragnslcr> tank71- most places won't sell smaller than 80 or 120
[10:40] <tank71> hmm so then what am I looking for...
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> about $30
[10:40] <tank71> ok how about a 80 gb ide?
[10:41] <Dragnslcr> tank71- you can probably get a 250 GB drive for $80 or so
[10:41] <runlevelten> Wiggles: ^ save that in a file and replace the one you have.
[10:41] <tank71> I'm not rich :D
[10:41] <Level15> Dragnslcr: are there 250 GB IDE drives?
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: "kate .kde/Autostart/Beryl.desktop"
[10:41] <tank71> I'm working with three old computer given to me
[10:41] <dipin> nosrednaekim: man i thought i downloaded the install version, iddnt want live ;(
[10:41] <saylar> i just 500GB SATA for 100 euros
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> dipin: yes...
[10:41] <Level15> tank71: the problem is that a 60 GB can be hard to find nowdays...
[10:41] <dipin> nosrednaekim: i got it from here http://ubuntu.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/feisty/
[10:41] <tank71> so an 80GB IDE should cose me like 45?
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> dipin: you can install off the liveCD
[10:42] <tank71> cost*
[10:42] <saylar> since they're outdated they cost pretty much
[10:42] <Level15> tank71: maybe a little bit more...
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> dipin: which one?
[10:42] <Dragnslcr> tank71- yeah, you can 250 GB IDE drives
[10:42] <Level15> tank71: i don't think you can get anything below 120/160 GB
[10:42] <dipin> nosrednaekim: can up lease point me to the right place, to install kubuntu then use internet to install some packages, so i basicly need one cd
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> tank71: yeah more or less
[10:42] <dipin> nosrednaekim: one cd to install kubuntu
[10:42] <tank71> ok well thanks for the help everyone I'll go look around and see what I can find
[10:43] <tank71> without overdrawing my card -_-
[10:43] <tank71> I'll be back....sometime
[10:43] <Dragnslcr> Hard disks are dirt cheap
[10:43] <Dragnslcr> And constantly getting cheaper
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> dipin: did you DL a CD already?
[10:43] <dipin> nosrednaekim: yes i downloaded this
[10:44] <dipin> nosrednaekim: http://ubuntu.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[10:44] <dipin> nosrednaekim: but apereantly thats the live cd right?
[10:44] <dipin> nosrednaekim: i need one that i can actually install
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> dipin: ok, great! thats the liveCD, but you can also install off of it
[10:44] <dipin> nosrednaekim: but i only have one cd-r left
[10:44] <dipin> nosrednaekim: ohh
[10:44] <tank71> ok one more thing then I'll go...what about installing grub...you said it had to be installed on the windows hd too?
[10:44] <dipin> nosrednaekim: i could
[10:44] <dipin> nosrednaekim: awsome
[10:45] <dipin> nosrednaekim: so it is a live cd and instalation cd?
[10:45] <dipin> nosrednaekim: will this cd alone load my ipw3945
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> dipin: yep, once you boot up, there will be an install icon on the desktop
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> right
[10:45] <Level15> tank71: grub should be installed on the MBR of the windows disk, since, that's where your BIOS will start looking for how to boot, unless you tell it otherwise
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> dipin: probably...
[10:46] <dipin> nosrednaekim: oh probably for the ipw3945 ?
[10:46] <tank71> so how would I go about installing grub on the windows disk?
[10:46] <tank71> I see what you mean though
[10:46] <dipin> nosrednaekim: i only get connection via wifi, what if it doesnt install the wireless driver :(
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> dipin: IDK as I don't have one. But you can test it before installing
[10:46] <Level15> tank71: i can't remmeber exactly, but there's a point on the installation where ubuntu will ask you where to install grub... tell it to use /dev/hda
[10:46] <dipin> nosrednaekim: well im sure the live cd will load wifi
[10:47] <dipin> nosrednaekim: argh
[10:47] <tank71> ok thanks
[10:47] <tank71> bbiaf
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> dipin: its not the end of the world.. you can grab packages while in windows and install them in linux.
[10:47] <tank71> damn lol I have like $60 on my card :S
[10:47] <Level15> nosrednaekim: i have that wifi card and it worked out of the bos with the livecd
[10:47] <Level15> *box
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> dipin: well, go test out the liveCD and see if it works.
[10:47] <dipin> Level15: and what about if i install kubuntu of the cd ? will driver still oad?
[10:47] <dipin> nosrednaekim: ok
[10:47] <Level15> dipin: yes
[10:47] <bluevapour> Guys
[10:48] <bluevapour> How do i make windows transparent in programs, i.e. firefox
[10:48] <dipin> Level15l: thank yuou, thank you nosrednaekim =)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) <-- one happy kupunter =)
[10:48] <bluevapour> So the page is normal, but the outside is transparent
[10:48] <Level15> and knetworkmanager will make it very easy to join a wireless network, unless it is the UofR campus network :S
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> dipin: go try it out first ;)
[10:48] <bluevapour> Anyone?
[10:49] <Level15> bluevapour: use beryl/compiz/compizfusion
[10:49] <bluevapour> Whats that
[10:49] <bluevapour> a program?
[10:49] <Level15> !desktop effects|bluevapour
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktop effects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:49] <bluevapour> ok
[10:49] <Level15> crap
[10:49] <Level15> well
[10:49] <bluevapour> nope :S
[10:50] <Level15> bluevapour: yes, it's a window manager with composite manager
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> !beryl | bluevapour
[10:50] <ubotu> bluevapour: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:50] <bluevapour> ok
[10:50] <bluevapour> also, if i only use one desktop, how do i remove the two panels to switch?
[10:50] <bluevapour> ive tried all i know
[10:51] <bluevapour> ive customised the tool bar etc, i just havent found what i need to remove that
[10:51] <runlevelten> two panels?
[10:51] <AloBlumenau> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[10:51] <Level15> bluevapour: unlock panels, then click on the small button next to them, and select remove ;)
[10:51] <AloBlumenau> removing or installing swat
[10:52] <bluevapour> how do i unlock panels
[10:52] <Level15> bluevapour: but i find having mutliple desktops quite useful
[10:52] <bluevapour> ahh
[10:52] <bluevapour> i see
[10:52] <bluevapour> i see now, i dont liek it tho
[10:52] <bluevapour> i only do one thing at once
[10:52] <Wiggles> for some reason, the beryl options in control center are autostarting instead of beryl-manager
[10:52] <bluevapour> minus downloading and bittorrenting
[10:53] <Level15> Wiggles: beryl options in control center? i didn't know that even existed!
[10:53] <joacim_> I want to rip my audio book to speex and used Ubuntu's Serpentine, but as I now use Kubuntu K3b seems to be the default app. Is it possible to use Speex (and flac) in K3b ? (a better way than installing Serpentine with the entire gnome dependencies)
[10:53] <runlevelten> Wiggles: that's because that's what you're linking in Autostart...
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: what command did you specifiy?
[10:53] <bluevapour> so this beryl
[10:54] <runlevelten> beryl.desktop links to the control center module...
[10:54] <bluevapour> how do i use it or get itllol even
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: the program needs to be "beryl-manager"
[10:54] <SlimeyPete> !beryl
[10:54] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:54] <SlimeyPete> best to ask in there
[10:54] <bluevapour> oki doki
[10:54] <SlimeyPete> someone'll point you in the right direction
[10:54] <Level15> i think desktop effects are the most popular cause of support requests here...
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> yeah, that and hard drive mounting
[10:55] <runlevelten> they're the most popular cause of installation from what I can tell, too.
[10:55] <runlevelten> That and no viruses or spyware.
[10:55] <Level15> too bad desktop effects are not that mature yet
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[10:56] <Assid> hrmm
[10:56] <bluevapour> Will beryl apply to games?
[10:56] <Wiggles> nosrednaekim, so, should i change "Beryl.desktop" to "beryl-manager.desktop"
[10:56] <Assid> i think msft will be hating me soon enough
[10:57] <Level15> msft?
[10:57] <Level15> !msft
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about msft - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <Level15> hm
[10:57] <Assid> microsoft
[10:57] <SlimeyPete> bluevapour: fullscreen 3D games won't be affected (though they may run slower)
[10:57] <Level15> Assid: oh, trust me, they never loved you... they love your money, though...
[10:57] <SlimeyPete> 2D games running in a window will have the beryl effects applied to them
[10:57] <runlevelten> kwin + effects. That's what I want. Keep Dolphin, plasma et cetera, kwin + effects with stability.
[10:57] <Assid> Level15: well.. now its prolly worse
[10:57] <Assid> runlevelten: plasma ?
[10:57] <runlevelten> Because damn, the drop in replacements are TERRIBLE compared to kwin.
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> Wiggles: no.... change the application within the .desktop from whatever it is to beryl-manager
[10:57] <bluevapour> Ahh ok
[10:57] <bluevapour> Right last thing
[10:58] <bluevapour> Ive read about it
[10:58] <Dragnslcr> bluevapour- you'll probably want to switch back to kwin if you're playing any fullscreen GL games
[10:58] <bluevapour> ahh ok
[10:58] <Assid> runlevelten: plasmoids are on gutsy only right ?
[10:58] <bluevapour> i was told, that the best client is Rtorrent with screen for torrenting ofc
[10:58] <Level15> kwin is the best WM ever, IMHO
[10:58] <bluevapour> how do i use screen
[10:58] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: hi i looking how to mount back my ntfx xp partition on my desktop.it does want to mount any more only when i force it but when i log out back in it's not mounted
[10:58] <bluevapour> ive used rtorret
[10:58] <bluevapour> its powerful and lite
[10:58] <Dragnslcr> Beryl and Compiz don't always get along with other GL apps
[10:58] <Level15> closely followed by fluxbox
[10:59] <Assid> bluevapour: i personally use utorrent.. through wine
[10:59] <bluevapour> Not lite, and more resources though?
[10:59] <runlevelten> I use ktorrent.
[10:59] <Level15> ktorrent works fine
[10:59] <Dragnslcr> I think my only real wish for kwin was a global option for remembering window sizes and positions
[10:59] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: i try to eneble it it says it allready mounted or its busy
[10:59] <Level15> Dragnslcr: i think that's possible, though i have never done it...
[10:59] <Assid> does plasmoids work on feisty?
[11:00] <chovy_> ktorrent needs a find key
[11:00] <Level15> Assid: if you install KDE4 beta, i guess they do
[11:00] <adenicio> Dragnslcr: : hi i looking how to mount back my ntfx xp partition on my desktop.it does want to mount any more only when i force it but when i log out back in it's not mounted
[11:00] <Dragnslcr> Level15- I only ever found how to do it for specific windows
[11:00] <Assid> hrmm wouldnt be feisty then
[11:00] <adenicio> ntfs
[11:00] <Level15> Dragnslcr: and ou want them for what exactly?
[11:00] <adenicio> !mount
[11:00] <Level15> *you
[11:00] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:00] <Dragnslcr> Assid- you can install KDE4 on Feisty
[11:00] <Assid> kinda scary using kde4 beta on a production box
[11:00] <runlevelten> You can install it alongside your current version.
[11:01] <Assid> alongside ?
[11:01] <Dragnslcr> Level15- think you meant to ask adenicio that
[11:01] <Assid> really?
[11:01] <Level15> Assid: then you'd better stick to kde 3 w/o plasmoids
[11:01] <Assid> hehe.. k
[11:01] <adenicio> Dragnslcr: hien???
[11:01] <Level15> Dragnslcr: no, i meant, what is what you wanted kwin to do??
[11:01] <Assid> how do i make dolphin the default file manager
[11:01] <Level15> adenicio: n/m
[11:01] <Dragnslcr> I keep thinking I should try the KDE4 beta, but I'm too scared of hosing my box
[11:02] <Dragnslcr> Level15- global option to remember window size and position. It was annoying to have to set it for every window
[11:02] <Level15> Dragnslcr: oh, i understand now... yeah, i don't think there's such an option
[11:02] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, which kinda surprises me
[11:02] <saylar> anyone got an idea why i still got not space left on my device, even i deleted some files and emptied the trash?
[11:02] <adenicio> Level15: : hi i looking how to mount back my ntfx xp partition on my desktop.it does want to mount any more only when i force it but when i log out back in it's not mounted
[11:02] <Dragnslcr> I'd think someone would have complained quite loudly about that by now
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: reallyno danger of that
[11:03] <Level15> adenicio: you need to add it to /etc/fstab
[11:03] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- you'd be surprised how good I am at breaking stuff
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> adenicio: go into system settings-> advance-> disks
[11:04] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: haha
[11:04] <ubuntu_> would soemone tell me
[11:04] <bluevapour> anyone here wana show me how to use screen?
[11:04] <ubuntu_> password for live cd kubuntu? as root
[11:04] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: and...?
[11:04] <Level15> ubuntu_: i think you must sudo
[11:04] <Level15> ubuntu_: sudo su -
[11:05] <ubuntu_> bluevapour: pretty much just run screen, and then ctrl+c to exit,
[11:05] <Level15> i *think*
[11:05] <ubuntu_> bluevapour: ctrl+ad will hide it
[11:05] <bluevapour> Awsome
[11:05] <Assid> i dont get it
[11:05] <ubuntu_> bluevapour: and to retrive it with will ne screen -r
[11:05] <ubuntu_> bluevapour: mmm screen -ls
[11:05] <ubuntu_> bluevapour: to check what u got open
[11:05] <Assid> if nvidia drivers byt default exist.. and X can detect nvidia
[11:05] <Assid> why doesnt it just "tune" it to get better support on its own
[11:05] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: add what to fstab?
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> adenicio: administrator mode, and select the drive you want to mount, and modify the drive you want...
[11:06] <Assid> instead of adding the whole GLXVisuals and everything ourselves
[11:06] <RandMC_> Is there possibly a program that can increase the brightness of a laptop screen?
[11:06] <ubuntu_> bluevapour: u got it?
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> *modify IT how you want
[11:06] <bluevapour> sort of
[11:06] <ubuntu_> bluevapour: i must go bye
[11:06] <bluevapour> cheers
[11:06] <bluevapour> bb
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> this adds things to fstab..
[11:06] <Level15> RandMC_: usually the laptop has some Fn + key combination for that
[11:06] <bluevapour> with screen
[11:06] <bluevapour> where do i push these hotkeys?
[11:06] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: did that allready it says drive allready mount or its busy
[11:06] <chris_> What's the name of the metapackage for gcc?
[11:06] <RandMC_> allright I will try that.
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> RandMC_: thats ussualy a hardware thing
[11:07] <Level15> LVM + reiserfs own
[11:07] <Level15> :D
[11:07] <RandMC_> okay thanks.
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> chris_: gcc is already installed.... but its "build-essential"
[11:08] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: ...
[11:08] <chris_> nosrednaekim: thanks
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> adenicio: did you just manually mount it?
[11:08] <Level15> adenicio: reboot, then do the system settings->advanced_>disks thingy
[11:08] <bluevapour> what could i use with rtorrent so i dont have to restart downloads each time?
[11:09] <bluevapour> by putting in names again
[11:09] <bluevapour> cause thats the only prob i  have with it
[11:09] <Level15> all right fellows... gotta go
[11:09] <Level15> cya later
[11:10] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: it was working at firts untill i modify the fstab to add ntfs 3g.i had to unmount and remount after that i turn of the pc turn back on it not there.i foce it to mount it did but never stay mounted
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> adenicio: thats a problem with your fstab
[11:11] <adenicio> Level15:???did that allready
[11:11] <bluevapour> what is lightest torrent manage to use
[11:11] <bluevapour> for performance
[11:13] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: if i erase the lines where it got the name of the ntfs  hdd will i help or damage it self?
[11:14] <bluevapour> anyone? whats the best torrent manager?
[11:14] <Dragnslcr> I thought KTorrent was good when I used it
[11:17] <Assid> anyone know if  a mac opens .ogg files without any issues?
[11:17] <Biovore> it should
[11:18] <Biovore> might need to install the codec for mac..
[11:18] <Assid> wonder how to convert it to quicktime
[11:18] <Biovore> depends whats the ogg file contains..  theora? xvid? divx?
[11:18] <Assid> theora
[11:18] <Biovore> there are theora codecs for everything..
[11:18] <Biovore> should work on a mac..
[11:20] <bluevapour> Guys my desktop looks really cool so when i lock session can i keep desktop in backgrond
[11:20] <bluevapour> literally with everything im doing
[11:20] <bluevapour> so its my desktop in realtime but the cant do anything till they put pass in
[11:20] <stdin> that's what it does anyway
[11:21] <bluevapour> stdin
[11:21] <stdin> it's just like a screensaver that needs a pass, everything still runs
[11:21] <bluevapour> what would you say was lightest torrent client?
[11:22] <stdin> probably rtorrent
[11:22] <bluevapour> but they need the torrent names inputting each time
[11:22] <bluevapour> so that really does suck
[11:22] <bluevapour> or is there a fix for that?
[11:23] <stdin> I don't know, I just use ktorrent
[11:23] <bluevapour> Ahhh
[11:23] <bluevapour> ok
[11:25] <Fieryfly> \;
[11:28] <adenicio> stdin: are u good in mountin partitions?(hdd's)?
[11:28] <stdin> I guess...
[11:30] <stdin> adenicio: why?
[11:31] <adenicio> stdin: dont worry i found how to.but hmm the mount partition look like a folder u know where are the icon's that look like hdd's are?
[11:32] <adenicio> so i can change it
[11:32] <stdin> in /usr/share/icons/...
[11:32] <emilsedgh> adenicio: /media :P
[11:35] <elite101> why do ppl like macs? even thou a new line up came out but why? whats so cool about 1 button mouse/no games/u cant build it ur self?
[11:36] <adenicio> stdin: if your no to busy can u tell me in wich folder the icon that look like a hdd are
[11:36] <adenicio> please
[11:37] <emilsedgh> elite101: I dunno too! but I hope things will change with KDE's new major release...
[11:37] <elite101> lol yeah kinda off-topic
[11:38] <stdin> adenicio: it'd be in /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/devices
[11:41] <adenicio> stdin: lol now all my folder in the partiotn look like hdd's :-/ thats funny
[11:41] <elite101> well just wondering say there is a WINE alternative for windows programs on linux can i use a emulatore for say MAC programs? on a windows pc?
[11:42] <elite101> like the one im on now?
[11:42] <elite101> or no?
[11:42] <stdin> elite101: Wine Is Not an Emulator (spells WINE)
[11:43] <elite101> i knw
[11:43] <elite101> but like
[11:43] <elite101> is there one for mac?
[11:43] <elite101> on windows pc
[11:44] <adenicio> elite101: wa so good about a mac?
[11:44] <elite101> the movie editing
[11:44] <stdin> you want windows help?
[11:44] <stdin> !windows | elite101
[11:44] <elite101> garage band
[11:44] <ubotu> elite101: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[11:44] <stdin> :)
[11:44] <elite101> Err
[11:44] <elite101> i mean
[11:44] <Biovore> most OS X stuff is unix based..
[11:44] <elite101> a MAC is diff than a PC so can u run MAC programs on a PC
[11:44] <Biovore> easy to port..
[11:45] <elite101> so then u can use it on linux
[11:45] <elite101> the MAC programs?
[11:45] <elite101> MINE*?
[11:45] <Biovore> not directly..
[11:45] <elite101> like WINE
[11:45] <stdin> elite101: short answer: no
[11:45] <Biovore> Even though in theory it wouldn't be as hard as windows...
[11:45] <elite101> k thanx
[11:46] <kyle__> could someone please help me get my soundcard working?
[11:47] <kyle__> could someone please help me get my soundcard working?
[11:47] <elite101> i had this happen^
[11:47] <kyle__> oh
[11:47] <elite101> whats wrong?
[11:48] <adenicio> i hate amule!its allways a server prob.how do i get servers to connect to?
[11:48] <kyle__> well i htink i need a driver.
[11:48] <kyle__> when i try ot open the volume control i get error messages
[11:48] <Assid> okay 1 person moving to linux.. one person moved to mac. not including me in the count
[11:48] <Assid> who should i convert next
[11:49] <kyle__> IM this kid Assid
[11:49] <kyle__> xsuckxitx7
[11:49] <Assid> ???
[11:49] <kyle__> convert him =]
[11:50] <Assid> haha no way
[11:50] <kyle__> aww =[ i keep trying to explain to him how awesome linux is
[11:50] <kyle__> he just says "its free software, it HAS to suck"
[11:50] <bluevapour> Guys
[11:50] <Assid> get him on irc
[11:50] <Karti> Hi all, just had to reinstall 64 bit Kubuntu as my normal 32 bit PC died :( Are there any issues that I should worry about?
[11:50] <bluevapour> Where is True Combat Elite install file?
[11:50] <bluevapour> Ic ant find it
[11:50] <Assid> Karti: 16bit burial ?
[11:51] <Assid> hehe.. j/k
[11:51] <Assid> Karti:  jjust reinstall 32 bit version
[11:51] <adenicio> i hate amule!its allways a server prob.how do i get servers to connect to?
[11:52] <Karti> pretty much.......but I'm afraid its a motherboard issue, it's gone to a safer place. The only thing that will install on this AMD 2 is the 64 bit
[11:52] <adenicio> which channel i have to go to to get help with my printer?
[11:52] <Assid> oh.. okay
[11:52] <Assid> your reinstallingthe 64bit right ?
[11:53] <Karti> Assid: I normally follow a procedure to get my system up and running, but I had problems getting my encryted dvds to play
[11:53] <Karti> I'm on the 64bit now
[11:53] <Assid> encrypted dvds?
[11:53] <Karti> Assid: yes
[11:54] <Assid> what you mean encrypted dvds?
[11:54] <adenicio> stdin: how do u get to rename file by just clikin on there name?
[11:54] <Karti> I was following the libdvdread3 instructions
[11:54] <Karti> Assid: normal movies etc
[11:55] <DaSkreech> !dvd
[11:55] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:55] <stdin> adenicio: not sure, I never use that
[11:55] <adenicio> ok
[11:57] <miles> Biovre?
[11:57] <DaSkreech> miles: French?
[11:57] <miles> no, Biovre is someone that frequents this channel
[11:58] <miles> he programs C, i had a C question for him
[11:58] <miles> i think its a he
[11:58] <runlevelten> biovore...
[11:58] <miles> o nose
[11:58] <miles> i spelt the name wrong?
[11:58] <Biovore> oO
[11:58] <miles> im sorry, i never saw the second o
[11:59] <DaSkreech> !tab | mila
[11:59] <ubotu> mila: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[11:59] <miles> i dont htink biovre is a french word tho, i too french in high school
[11:59] <DaSkreech> !tab | miles
[11:59] <ubotu> miles: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[11:59] <stdin> miles: ##C ?
[11:59] <runlevelten> DaSkreech: Irony rocks. :)
[11:59] <miles> no C
[11:59] <miles> and i know about tab, but is it possible to run "| grep [name] " after thaat?
[11:59] <DaSkreech> runlevelten: Or sucks depending on which part of the net you stand on
[12:00] <stdin> miles: no, that's a channel for C users/programmers
[12:00] <miles> so i could of done "[tab]  | grep Bio"
[12:00] <miles> you know what, im using a cli irc client right now and the window is real transparent, i cant see colors well\
[12:00] <miles> but look, 2 questions
[12:00] <miles> so i could of done "[tab]  | grep Bio" ??
[12:01] <Biovore> ?
[12:01] <miles> or  i could of done "[tab]  | grep miles" to see who is in here named "miles"???
[12:01] <Biovore> ^ that looks like bash script.. not c
[12:01] <DaSkreech> miles: you could type bio and press tab
[12:01] <miles> o sick
[12:01] <miles> thanks, that helps a lot
[12:01] <Biovore> yeah tab autocomplete
[12:02] <DaSkreech> that should at least give you the first person who's name starts with that string
[12:02] <Biovore> 2 tabs shows options
[12:02] <miles> ok, so what kind of C programming do you do?
[12:02] <Biovore> all kinds..  QT4, embbedded systems.. etc
[12:02] <DaSkreech>  at best it gives you a list of all names with that string with the Name you want highlighted by magic
[12:02] <miles> embedded systems? thats what im interested in programming
[12:02] <miles> i am starting to study C because i want to do that
[12:02] <miles> embed systems that is
[12:03] <Biovore> I been playing with gumstix here at home.. www.gumstix.org
[12:03] <DaSkreech> !info kplayer
[12:03] <ubotu> Package kplayer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:03] <DaSkreech> grrr
[12:03] <miles> cool, im gonna check that out right now
[12:03] <Biovore> little linux embedded systems.. size of a stick of gum.
[12:03] <jhutchins> Is there a console command that will tell me if there is media in a burner?
[12:03] <Biovore> 600 MHz 128MB ram on something thats smaller then your wallet
[12:03] <Karti> DaSkreech: I got some errors that I can investigate tomorrow with the dvd playing but it appears to work fine.
[12:03] <Biovore> dinner time.. bbl
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Karti: Nest
[12:03] <DaSkreech> neat
[12:04] <Karti> Assid: Thanks for the help
[12:04] <Karti> DaSkreech: I hope the rest of the 64 bit is as easy!
[12:04] <Assid> np
[12:04] <miles> ok C is crazy
[12:04] <DaSkreech> Krazy!
[12:05] <miles> i <3 it tho
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Karti: except for Flash and win64codecs yes it is
[12:05] <meuhlol> lol
[12:07] <Karti> DaSkreech: I installed the win64codecs, assuming they work as I can watch a dvd, but is Flash an issue? rather than a normal install?
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Karti: ha ha :-)
[12:08] <DaSkreech> !flash 64
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash 64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Drat
[12:08] <DaSkreech> !flash
[12:08] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:08] <DaSkreech> I think that does 64 bit flash
[12:08] <DaSkreech> !find flash
[12:08] <ubotu> Found: flashybrid, libflash-dev, libflash-mozplugin, libflash-swfplayer, libflash0c2 (and 4 others)
[12:08] <DaSkreech> !search flash
[12:08] <ubotu> Found: flash 9, gnash, flash64, fffc, flash, flash64bit, flash9, flashplayer, font
[12:08] <DaSkreech> !flash64bit
[12:08] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[12:08] <DaSkreech> there we go
[12:09] <DaSkreech> Karti: ^^^
[12:09] <Lopin> Okay...  Anyone know how to get a hold of NDISwrapper without an internet connection?
[12:09] <Karti> DaSkreech: The worst thing is that I would be happy to get a new 32 bit pc, but its cheaper to get 64
[12:09] <miles> you need to get the binary or source some how Lopin
[12:11] <miles> Lopin, all u gotta do is get the deb somewhere and place it on a usb.  mount the usb and copy the deb over to  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:11] <miles> then you can run apt-get on it
[12:11] <miles> !find ndis
[12:11] <ubotu> Found: linux-image-2.6.20-15-386, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-server, linux-image-2.6.20-15-server-bigiron, ndiswrapper-common (and 10 others)
[12:12] <miles> if you dont have an internet connection, how are you talkin to me right now?
[12:12] <Lopin> DEB!
[12:12] <aguitel> how i shutdown a proccess with terminal?
[12:12] <miles> "shutdown -t now"
[12:12] <miles> i thkn
[12:12] <Lopin> I do, but I'm in windows...  My internal WiFi card works through windows...
[12:13] <stdin> aguitel: no
[12:13] <bluevapour> Guys to install enemy territory
[12:13] <bluevapour> should i use sudo?
[12:13] <miles> ya, go to http://packages.ubuntu.org
[12:13] <stdin> aguitel: kill (pid), or killall name
[12:13] <Lopin> Thanks!
[12:13] <miles> search for ndis, download it onto usb
[12:13] <bluevapour> Should i use Sudo to install Enemy Territory?
[12:13] <miles> bluevapour, i dont know, but if you figure out tell me, i couldnt get it to install
[12:13] <miles> i love that game!
[12:14] <bluevapour> Lol
[12:14] <bluevapour> ill do it :D
[12:14] <bluevapour> you wait!


[03:35] <cliff> How can I adjust the memory split without raspi-config?
[05:08] <Calis_Moonelf> Good evening (well, in my part of the world.) I'll jump right to my question. I've read that the scrolling in compact bug was fixed in the latest version of Caja. I've read, I've tried, but I cannot figure out how to compile the new version.
[12:34] <vytas_> hello guys cen you help me i dont have a HDMI sound :)
[14:44] <inspiron> I installed ubuntu mate a year ago on an 2004 Dell Laptop. Resurrected the old machine. Video is jerky. I can live with that but just wondering if there is a fix. Is my video card to blame?
[14:46] <ouroumov> Hi inspiron
[14:46] <Astro7467> video jerky in Firefox, vlc, mpv, chrome, and/or chromium?
[14:49] <inspiron> I use Opera. Firefox and Chromium overburden the system with popups and ads.
[14:52] <Astro7467> I'm not used Opera so unsure if there are any specifics there that could help.
[14:53] <Astro7467> what are your system specs? RAM, CPU, GPU?
[14:53] <Astro7467> running 16.04.1 I assume?
 I use Opera. Firefox and Chromium overburden the system with popups and ads. > you know there's addons for that? uBlock Origin ftw.
[14:58] <Astro7467> not sure if it helps, and could be old advice but apparently disabling hardware acceleration can help opera
[14:58] <Astro7467> I would also try confirming if the problem is system wide or Opera specific
[14:59] <Astro7467> if opera specific then may get better advice on a opera help channel
[15:00] <inspiron> Ok, thanks.
[15:00] <guest-yusfc2> how do you enter the grub menu on restart?
[15:02] <ouroumov> hi guest-yusfc2
[15:02] <ouroumov> guest-yusfc2, hold esc key down during power on
[15:02] <guest-yusfc2> ok thanks
[17:44] <wernerkues> Hello =) i need some information please, concerning installing linux on the lenovo MIIX310 pad?
[17:48] <sixwheeledbeast> !ask
[17:48] <sixwheeledbeast> :)
[17:53] <wernerkues> ok, i have some problems with installing the ubuntu on the lenovo pad. i could boot the usb, check the ubuntu install line in bios but after several seconds, screen is black, and the pad is shutting down. is it possible, that its impossible to delete the win10 partition on the MIIX310?
[17:58] <alkisg> What is an "ubuntu install line in bios"?
[17:58] <alkisg> I don't know of any "undeleteable partitions" anywhere..
[18:01] <alkisg> Ah, it's a tablet? It's possible that the kernel doesn't have the necessary drivers
[18:01] <alkisg> Does it support linux?
[18:08] <wernerkues> i dont know, thats why i ask ;-) looking on the lenovo homepage,they claim that the OEM Win 10 version could not be deleted, and ubuntu sites, but the MIIX 310 ideapad is not mentioned on the lists.
[18:08] <wernerkues> asking...
[18:10] <alkisg> A quick googling says that they were able to boot it with a lot of graphics issues, so I would think "no"
[18:10] <alkisg> It's not very probable to find someone in irc to have tried booting this tablet though, so google or forums would be better in this case
[18:12] <wernerkues> ok, thanks a lot...
[18:21] <cyrus_> hey guys
[18:22] <cyrus_> question
[18:22] <cyrus_> how to gpg --verify
[18:41] <skr3> hola
[20:54] <nomic> i've gtot a mate install here and its just on the circle thing
[20:54] <nomic> taking too long
[20:54] <nomic> pc
[21:19] <nomic> can't install mate on a pc
[21:19] <nomic> dvd .. just cycling .. logo shows
[21:19] <nomic> hour
[22:42] <Ntemis> can anyone help me kill caja?
[22:42] <Ntemis> i get caja failing on me every day after updating to 1.16
[22:43] <Ntemis>  killall caja doesn nothing
[22:43] <Ntemis>  killall caja does nothing
[22:45] <Ntemis> i killed caja and now i see no desktop icons
[22:45] <Ntemis> heeelp?
[23:35] <nomic> can set up icons
[23:35] <nomic> if you have app name .. type app name in bash shell, it should run
[23:36] <nomic> gone


[00:00] <bdmurray> hrm
[00:00] <bdmurray> I think my math is wrong
[00:01] <calc> looks like not many people are getting 5 a day if not many over 100
[00:02] <sbeattie> bdmurray: is the ubuntu-changes-auto list archived somewhere a la ubuntu-bugs?
[00:03] <bdmurray> hunh
[00:03] <bdmurray> that list ends in 1/2006
[00:03] <bdmurray> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-changes-auto/
[00:04] <sbeattie> yeah. Did it actually end or just stopped getting archived?
[00:04] <bdmurray> I've no idea
[00:04] <bdmurray> maybe check gmame or something?
[00:06] <sbeattie> gmane and google just seem to find the individual release lists.
[00:06] <sbeattie> thanks, just thought you might know.
[00:07] <bdmurray> my thoughts about that list were just notional ramblings ;-)
[00:27] <bdmurray> calc: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/mailing-lists/most-active-commenters.txt is correct
[02:00] <jacob> okay, so lets say some person had submitted a bug report with a patch attached to fix a UI bug, but that patch introduced another bug.
[02:00] <jacob> what would be the proper thing to do? attach a new patch to the same bug, or file a new bug?
[02:04] <RAOF> jacob: Depends.  Has the patch been applied to the package yet?  If not, same bug.  If yes, new bug.
[02:05] <jacob> RAOF: it was already applied, a while ago actually. i only now saw that there was a new minor bug from it
[02:05] <jacob> RAOF: but thanks, i
[02:05] <RAOF> Probably a new bug, then.
[02:05] <jacob> i'll file another * :)
[02:27] <snadge> anyone here use ubuntu as a domU in xen?
[02:28] <snadge> i cant imagine its a terribly popular thing to do
[02:28] <snadge> since you cant do a vnc graphical install with ubuntu (or debian for that matter)
[02:28] <snadge> ok so you decide to debootstrap install it, from the limited advice available
[02:29] <snadge> that works great, but no xen framebuffer device.. at least, the console wont touch it.. output comes up blank
[02:32] <snadge> both opensuse and centos allow for a paravirtualized install.. and have a working graphic framebuffer with vnc support
[02:33] <RAOF> snadge: I was under the impression that virt-manager supported Xen, and would do all the funkies?
[02:34] <snadge> yes.. i think i may have complicated things by trying to run ubuntu as a domU under opensuse 11 dom0
[02:34] <snadge> the virt manager in that supports opensuse 11 / opensuse domU creations.. but i created the ubuntu install using debootstrap, and manually config
[02:36] <snadge> which worked for centos5 .. was able to turn graphic console on
[02:37] <snadge> so the short of it is.. i cant really work out if its a bug in debian port of xen.. whether ubuntu just borrows from that and does its own thing, and its actually broken in ubuntu and not debian
[02:39] <snadge> i'll install sid and try that :) .. i really want more people to choose xen over vmware esx.. it may be tainted by novell etc, but its still free software.. and as much as the kernel guys are in love with vaporware replacements, they dont exist yet
[02:46] <snadge> #105162
[02:53] <RAOF> "Tainted by Novell"???
[02:53] <RAOF> Someone's been reading too much boycottnovell.net :)
[02:56] <snadge> well.. im trying not to put any personal spin on it from myself
[02:57] <snadge> we use opensuse pretty much exclusively at work.. i dont have a problem with it, i cant really fault it too much apart from minor nit picks
[02:57] <snadge> but redhat is backing away from xen.. ubuntu has made noises about shying away from it too
[02:57] <snadge> the kernel guys seem to be in love with kvm
[02:59] <snadge> which is not a paravirt solution and requires hardware support.. one of the kernel guys is working on a xen equivalent thing, but its just in the idea phase.. eg.. "we dont like xen, heres a non existant project we think shows more promise"
[03:03] <snadge> that last part requires references which i dont have atm.. would have to dig them up
[03:17] <RAOF> Oh, fair enough.
[03:18] <RAOF> I was under the impression that Xen was likely to finally hit the mainline kernel in 2.6.27 or so.
[03:18] <RAOF> Either DomU or Dom0, I forget which.
[03:31] <calc> novell does some good upstream work
[03:31] <calc> i don't think i would want to use opensuse myself but they help a lot on OOo for example
[04:29] <snadge> RAOF: both.. i've been reading a bit about it
[04:29] <snadge> it seems every dist is forward porting patches from older kernels all the time.. and mostly are sick of it
[04:30] <snadge> for whatever reason, opensuse have managed to forward port it to 2.6.25.. both dom0/domU 32 and 64bit
[04:30] <snadge> and all the installers, graphics etc work
[04:30] <snadge> but they have a commercial product based on SLES10.. and im presuming soon to be SLES11
[04:31] <snadge> ZENworks .. they support windows etc as well, have a management client.. just like vmware
[04:32] <snadge> so my question is.. cant we just steal the patches from opensuse for now?
[04:36] <RAOF> Assuming they apply to our kernel... and we still have to support them.
[04:49] <Yasumoto> Hey guys, who's in charge of setting up bug days?
[04:51] <Yasumoto> And are they usually on thursdays? I'm going through the beginning stages of setting up m university's ACM (our computer club) schedule
[05:33] <nellery> Yasumoto, bug days are generally set up by various community members and triagers
[05:33] <nellery> and yes, they take place every thursday
[07:28] <Yasumoto> nellery: cool, thank you
[07:28] <nellery> Yasumoto, no problem
[14:37] <bddebian> Boo
[15:24] <copyofjohan> hi, im using a swapfile on my hardy. When activating the swapfile the hibernatebutton in gnome vanishes. Even when giving the resume= resume_offset= kernel options. Anyone knows what the problem is. Btw I dont understand why there is a hibernatebutton without an activated swapspace. Is that a bug?
[16:18] <askand> Hello, I recently filed a bug but I am not sure what package to file against, can someone please take a look? bug 252141
[16:24] <copyofjohan> Bug 252143
[16:47] <calc> anyone used istanbul before? the resulting video flickers A LOT and is basically useless, is there something i need to do to make it record decently?
[16:48] <popey> calc: turn on 3d mode
[16:48] <popey> or use gtk-recordmydesktop
[16:48] <calc> even when i have compiz disabled it needs 3d mode on?
[16:51] <calc> yea 3d mode fixed it for some reason
[17:35] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: could you take a look at Bug 251690 please. Is this a new policy to invalidate duplicates?
[17:47] <james_w> charlie-tca: it's just tracking down the duplicate number can be time-consuming. The person that closed it knows that it is already reported, so it is being tracked, they just don't have the number to hand.
[17:47] <james_w> and the people that deal with huge numbers of bugs would be significantly slowed by always finding the duplicate bug, so sometimes they don't
[17:48] <charlie-tca> The problem is trying to find that duplicate. How does the reporter find it if we can't?
[17:48] <james_w> it's unfortunate, and requires more work for the submitter, but I think making it easier on those that deal with huge numbers of reports.
[17:49] <james_w> it's not so much can't, as it would take 5 minutes. Multiply that by the hundreds of reports and it's a huge amount of time for that one person.
[17:49] <charlie-tca> It makes it look like any report can be marked invalid because someone _thinks_ it is a duplicate.
[17:50] <james_w> well, that isn't the case.
[17:52] <Awsoonn> The kernel in proposed was not happy on my machine, is there a special place to post the bug report?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> As a bugsquad member, I confirmed that bug because I couldn't find a duplicate
[18:05] <mouz> I've been linking succesfully to upstream bugs in the past. Now I get an error message in launchpad: "There is 1 error in the data you entered. Please fix it and try again.". I can't find anything wrong. More people experiencing this? Bug 6087.
[18:06] <james_w> hi mouz
[18:06] <james_w> what's the bug you are trying to link it to?
[18:06] <mouz> james_w: https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?23920
[18:08] <james_w> yeah, I've not seen that before.
[18:08] <james_w> maybe #launchpad can tell you why
[18:08] <mouz> james_w: did you try it and got the same?
[18:08] <james_w> it may be that launchpad can't talk to savannah yet
[18:09] <james_w> mouz: yep
[18:09] <mouz> james_w: thanks. i'll figure it out
[18:09] <james_w> apparently you can set them, it just can't get the status from savannah yet
[18:15] <mouz> james_w: found it: savanna bugtracker is in launchpad, but 'index.php' shouldn't be in the URL.
[19:25]  * marnanel grins.  I tell a bug reporter that there is currently no good way to do what is wanted, and he says "sounds conclusive to me.  let's see what shuttleworth's people will come up with-- i'm optimistic about the matter."
[19:25] <marnanel> that's the spirit, I say.
[19:52] <pwnguin> shuttleworths people dont fix bugs, they report them upstream
[19:53] <marnanel> well, sometimes they *are* upstream too.  but in this case what's needed is a common convention.  then we can fix the bug easily.
[19:55] <phenx> hello
[19:55] <marnanel> hello
[20:04] <dorins> X freezes on when I disable and reenable compositing, I can still log in through ssh. Running top shows it uses 100% cpu. How can I gather more info about the process to attach to the bug report?
[20:05] <dorins> apport seems to help with crashes, but not with freezes :)
[21:07] <nellery> what package does this bug fit in
[21:07] <nellery> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/252029
[21:07] <nellery> ubiquity? casper?
[21:07] <nellery> or perhaps usplash?
[21:47] <crimsun> nellery: it's not immediately obvious.  Ask him to boot without usplash.
[21:48] <crimsun> also, it would be nice if the symptom can be confirmed on 8.04.1 image(s).
[23:30] <jibel> nellery: Hi, you've marked bug #252195 "Fix commited" but the typo still exists in 0.92 and bzr
[23:46] <bdrung> jibel: i have changed the status back


[00:26] <bazhang> tell me how to root ubuntu
[00:26] <bazhang> ok
[00:29]  * genii twitches on !root
[00:37] <Jordan_U> Went to check if !anyone still exists...
[00:38] <Jordan_U> !anyone
[00:38] <Jordan_U> "Sorry, I don't know anything about anyone"
[00:38] <bazhang> !anything
[00:39] <Jordan_U> :)
[00:40] <bazhang> stukabr back from earlier vitor_ sikulix
[00:40] <bazhang> wont say where installed from
[00:40] <k1l_> that names do ring a bell
[00:58] <bazhang> [kike_] (~kike@<IP_ADDRESS>): kike
[00:58] <bazhang> ugh
[01:06] <rww> ban it
[01:27] <phunyguy> triplekmafia....
[01:27] <phunyguy> suspect for sure
[01:27] <phunyguy> #u-ot
[09:12] <Soul-Sing> hi
[09:13] <Soul-Sing> Description of poll: Hello irc-ers. Voting for 3 slots on the IRC Council. Winners will be determined using the beatpath method on Condorcet. Voting is open to all Ubuntu IRC Team members. is this poll closed?
[09:15] <valorie> it is not closed, it hasn't even been opened
[09:15] <valorie> or rather, it was opened too early, and thus closed again
[09:15] <valorie> mid-Feb
[09:23] <Soul-Sing> ok
[14:31] <hggdh> I wonder if people do read all email
[17:12] <Pici> meow?
[17:46] <k1l_> done
 dont worry i will be back <Adios> hor <Adios> lol its like my 10th id
[17:47] <k1l_> aka singam


[08:58] <kjackal> Hello Juju world!
[09:50] <lazyPower> o/ kjackal   (belated)
[09:51] <kjackal> ho lazyPower!
[09:51] <lazyPower> ahoy
[09:51] <kjackal> *yo
[09:55] <lazyPower> i'm too hype to sleep. Google fiber incoming in ~ 3 hours.
[10:02] <zeestrat> Only slightly envious. You getting the 1000 or 100 Mpbs?
[10:22] <lazyPower> 1000
[10:22] <lazyPower> I wont be able to fully leverage it until i get my POD delivered on the 17'th. I'll be limited to wifi, but right now i'm on some terrible DSL. This is a most welcome upgrade
[10:24] <jamon> i hate my 1mbit dsl
[10:24] <jamon> drawback to being in the country
[10:31] <lazyPower> I feel your pain
[10:31] <jamon> you can run a DC out of your home now :D
[10:31] <lazyPower> This particular DSL modem has the fun property of cutting out when someone in the building uses the microwave
[10:31] <lazyPower> heh, i'll be happy to have my homelab setup again with a nice fat pipeline. I was on 100 Mbit business class w/ comcast when i was in pittsburgh
[10:32] <lazyPower> and paying 2x as much as the google fiber cost, which blows my mind
[10:49] <zeestrat> lazyPower: Any news on the ansible layer front by any chance?
[10:50] <lazyPower> zeestrat - i haven't touched it outside of the initial work (circa charmer summit @ ghent), but i'm happy to mentor/handoff with someone that's interested in it
[10:50] <lazyPower> https://github.com/chuckbutler/ansible-base for reference
[10:52] <zeestrat> Cool. I might take you up on that!
[10:54] <lazyPower> Excellent :)
[10:57] <zeestrat> Speaking of layers, what is the main focus of the charm-tools project these days? Working on the reactive layer?
[11:14] <jamon> hah, my hubot charm works, there's earlbot1
[11:16] <jamon> earlbot1: the rules
[11:16] <jamon> ok well not so much, back to config-changed hook :(
[11:22] <lazyPower> zeestrat - charm-tools is a handy collection of all kinds of goodness. Basically our tooling focus has been on building charms from layers yeah, but its also got a sister component for the charm store now, you'll notice when you issue `charm version` you get two versions back. One is for charm-tools (Developer bits) and the charm store cli (everyone)
[11:22] <lazyPower> jamon - Nearly congrats then :)
[11:23] <zeestrat> Gotcha :)
[12:06] <jamon> having a bit of a hard time with this (my first charm)
[12:07] <jamon> stuff like using config-get and knowing what the output looks like to a bash script. i've tried juju debug and checking it that way, but even then config get expects a bunch of environment variables like socket path, context id, things that I can't seem to locate
[12:25] <stub> juju bootstrap seems to have lost the --config option in the latest beta. How do I specify the apt-proxy and apt-mirror now?
[12:35] <stub> Huh. juju is juju 1. Which seems to require purgin juju-1, juju1.25 and juju-core to get rid of.... leaving me without any juju
[12:37] <stub> Ok... purge juju 2.0 and reinstall, seems good.
[12:37] <lazyPower> jamon - those variables are available via "config-get"
[12:37] <jamon> lazyPower: yes, i've been using config-get in install/start/config-changed
[12:38] <jamon> but for inspecting the variable on the remote machine, it isn't so easy
[12:38] <lazyPower> jamon - link to your layer and output for the issue?
[12:38] <jamon> heh i'm just tidying things up here now for a commit :)
[12:39] <lazyPower> i'm happy to take a look and help where i can
[12:39] <jamon> awesome!
[12:39] <jamon> doing the readme is slow going
[12:39] <jamon> i have too many assumptions about how someone other than me might use this
[12:59] <jamon> right here lazyPower: https://gitlab.com/jamonation/layer-hubot/blob/master/hooks/install#L24-42
[12:59] <jamon> and the corresponding config.yaml: https://gitlab.com/jamonation/layer-hubot/blob/master/config.yaml#L10-13
[13:00] <jamon> i've resorted to checking if the value is "True" as a string
[13:00] <jamon> also, total aside, what would people here think of having a hubot in the channel if there isn't one already?
[13:01] <lazyPower> marcoceppi ^
[13:01] <lazyPower> i know that marco has strong opinions on the subject, i defer to his judgement there
[13:02] <lazyPower> jamon - try if [ "${use_default_scripts}" -eq "True" ]; then ... fi
[13:03] <lazyPower> jamon - also, slight suggestion on line 45, try using -z to test if its empty instead of == ""
[13:04] <jamon> i can't wait to do this all with ansible :D
[13:05] <jamon> those suggestions ought to tidy it though, thanks
[13:05] <jamon> is using default: "" in config.yaml good/bad/acceptable?
[13:06] <jamon> i didn't dive too far into the go code to see how that's handled, "" seems to work
[13:08] <lazyPower> jamon - we tend to leave no value completly empty in the definition that way it retains the null characteristics but empty string is equally as fine, you just have to detect it in the charm code
[13:08] <lazyPower> i'm going to drop at any minute, fiber install beginning now.
[13:08] <lazyPower> will be back in a bit to check in on ya jamon
[13:09] <jamon> great, enjoy
[13:09] <jamon> send me some packets heh
[13:15] <marcoceppi> jamon: personally, I prefer signal over noise. Bots just create noise and unless there's a very well scoped reason for one to exist I think it's best to leave them out of the channel
[13:19] <jamon> yeah i can't stand channels where every other message is a vcs commit, and then a slew of jenkins messages about staging builds
[13:20] <jamon> at the same time, some bot functionality can be really handy, like grabbing and announcing titles for http pages, so you don't have to open them if you aren't interested, etc.
[13:20] <jamon> kind of goes either way
[14:01] <rick_h_> natefinch-afk: ping for standup if you're around
[14:02] <natefinch> rick_h_: coming
[14:08] <lazyPower> jacekn - back. hows the refactoring going?
[14:24] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: mbruzek: I'm trying to get juju2/bundletester to play nice. I've got jujudeployer 0.8, jujuclient 0.52, and bundletester 0.7.1 (all latest via pip). I'm getting the jujuclient.EnvironmentNotBoostrapped exception, which looks like it was fixed back in May. What am I missing?
[14:25] <mbruzek> aisrael: are you using charmbox or is this your own system
[14:25] <aisrael> mbruzek: My own system, lxd inside lxd
[14:26] <lazyPower> aisrael - did you grab from upstream? not everything has landed afaict
[14:26] <lazyPower> i could be wrong, i think tim was saying it was like done.
[14:26] <lazyPower> aisrael https://github.com/chuckbutler/charmbox/blob/beta-11/install-review-tools.sh#L22-L30
[14:26] <aisrael> lazyPower: Not if it's in a ppa
[14:27] <lazyPower> thats what i was doing to get the latest bits in charmbox
[14:27] <lazyPower> works with beta11/beta12
[14:27] <aisrael> lazyPower: ok, cool, I'll grab those. Thanks!
[14:29] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael, lazyPower: stuff is "done" but not released yet. if you want bleeding edge you'll need to run everything from source
[14:30] <mbruzek> aisrael: I have had success using the devel edition of charmbox
[14:31] <lazyPower> mbruzek - i dont have that in devel yet. I was waiting for them to land in the ppa, i did press a temporary charm box with those tho
[14:31] <lazyPower> lazypower/charmbox:beta-11
[14:31] <mbruzek> oh my mistake
[14:39] <aisrael> Amulet is chocking trying to import distro_info. Hmm.
[14:42] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: That seems like a missing dependency w/Amulet. Installing python3-distro-intro brought in the missing module
[14:43] <aisrael> I'll file a bug
[14:46] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: huh?
[14:50] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: I hit a case where I was missing the `python3-distro-info` package after installing amulet from source. I'm verifying if it was me not following directions.
[14:54] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: if installing from source there wouldn't be any apt dependencies
[15:05] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: Right, I get that, but would it attempt to pull in dependencies via pip?
[15:06] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: if you install it with pip, sure, but python3-distro-info is not one of them
[15:13] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: Would it make sense to have the pip install depend on distro-info then?
[15:15] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: do you have a traceback i can look at? afaik amulet itself does not depend on that - if anything it would only be a packaging dep
[15:23] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/21768436/
[15:23] <aisrael> oh ffs. I see it now. charmhelpers.contrib.amulet
[15:23] <tvansteenburgh> :)
[15:23]  * aisrael gets another cup of coffee
[15:24] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: Thanks for putting up with that. ;-)
[15:25] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: no worries
[18:28] <lazyPower> petevg ping
[18:29] <petevg> lazyPower: hi.
[18:29] <lazyPower> hey there :)  I recall some talk prior about you having written unit tests for a layered charm. are those somewhere i can take a look?
[18:29] <petevg> lazyPower: yes. Two places. Let me grab the linkies ...
[18:29] <lazyPower> brilliant, thanks for this
[18:30] <petevg> np. Here's a layer with unit tests: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-bigtop-base (look under tests/unit)
[18:30] <lazyPower> https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-bigtop-base/blob/master/tests/unit/test_reactive_handlers.py  -- oh my i've found the holy grail
[18:31] <petevg> ... and here's a proposed generic harness that will, among other things, solve your ImportError woes if you don't have a lib/layer/charms directory in your layer: https://github.com/juju-solutions/charms.unit/pull/1
[18:31] <petevg> lazyPower: Hopefully it helps. :-) (And if it does, please drop a +1 in that PR, so that I can push the generic harness for others to use ...)
[18:31] <lazyPower> Will do
[18:31] <lazyPower> I wont be on it today but this is for tomorrow/later this week
[18:32] <lazyPower> so i can get you early feedback for sure
[18:32] <petevg> Cool. I'll look forward to the feedback (positive or negative) :-)
[19:25] <kwmonroe> hey stub, petevg and i are having trouble installing a subordinate charm that includes layer-apt.  it fails pretty early: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21799021/ because of the recent inclusion of clear_removed_package_states (which eventually tries to import apt.apt_pkg): https://git.launchpad.net/layer-apt/commit/?id=625d18edfbba37210adf9e0f198b7be4bbd7e1d8
[19:26] <kwmonroe> stub: this particular subordinate has use_venv: true, but does *not* have include_system_packages: true as one of it's layer options
[19:26] <kwmonroe> i know we could add "include_sys_pkgs: true" to the layer.yaml, but i was wondering if the apt layer could do something so that this was not required.. for example, include python-apt in it's wheelhouse.txt
[19:29] <kwmonroe> full disclosure stub, i know it's not that easy.  pip installing python-apt requires DistUtilsExtra, which i can't seem to find as a pip'able req: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21799623/ -- it seems like it's only available from https://launchpad.net/python-distutils-extra
[21:25] <bdx> hey whats up guys?
[21:25] <bdx> is there any up-to-date network spaces docs floating around?


[15:09] <ChinnoDog> adom: Where do work nowadays?
[15:34] <adom-mobile> ChinnoDog: I've been at Sciencelogic for about 3 years now. I'm a Product Owner for a Dev team. You?
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> Same place as before. I don't mention it here because logging.
[16:19] <ChinnoDog> You have a long commute. Ouch.
[16:21] <ChinnoDog> Short in normal traffic, takes forever at rush hour?
[19:37] <swift110> hey all
[21:09] <ChinnoDog> swift110: sup