[00:01] <bprompt> hmm just hmm I've never set up a media.... how did you set it, you picked out "media" from the pulldown menu for the partition type, when creating the partition?
[00:03] <darksim> No it wasn't available be default so I typed it in
[00:04] <bprompt> har har
[00:05] <bprompt> darksim:   anyway... just do away with it, /media is just mounting filesystem and devices, so, they're just pointer entries, you don't need a partitiion for that
[00:06] <bprompt> I assume you meant that partition for videos, music, documents and such, well
[00:06] <darksim> Yes
[00:06] <bprompt> just rename it then... to ... say    multimedia :)
[00:06] <bprompt> or my documents
[00:06] <darksim> Can I create my own mountpoints?
[00:07] <bprompt> darksim:    what do you mean?
[00:07] <darksim> Well you already have the default stuff like /bin /etc /mnt /usr etc.
[00:08] <bprompt> well, those are not mountpoints, those are actual directories
[00:08] <darksim> Can I just make one new that doesn't exist, name it for instance /newmedia and make that the mountpoint of that HDD
[00:08] <Dragnslcr> Yes, you can mount devices to any directory
[00:08] <bprompt> can you make a new directory?  heck, you can make as many as you wish, sure, and name it whatever, so long they don't conflict with other devices
[00:08] <darksim> Can it be created in the root directory?
[00:08] <Dragnslcr> Keep in mind that the directory doesn't even have to be empty
[00:09] <Dragnslcr> Yes, you can create new directories in the root directory
[00:09] <darksim> Along etc, bin, mnt etc.
[00:09] <Dragnslcr> You'll need to use sudo, of course
[00:10] <darksim> Dragnslcr: if I'm using the graphical installer on a liveusb?
[00:10] <bprompt> darksim:    in case you haven't noticed at the $HOME directory, there's a ~/Music and  a ~/Videos and ~/Pictures and ~/Documents folders, btw
[00:10] <darksim> Manual disk setup
[00:10] <Dragnslcr> You wouldn't create the directory during the install
[00:11] <darksim> So I'd have to manually set this up post-install?
[00:11] <Dragnslcr> You create it afterwards, then you can mount whatever device you want to it
[00:11] <darksim> Perma-mount it, I don't want it to act like a usb flash drive
[00:11] <darksim> Where it's unmounted until I try and access it for the first time that session
[00:12] <Dragnslcr> If it's a partition on the disk you're installing to, there might be an option to enter the mount point when you format the disk
[00:12] <Dragnslcr> I haven't gone through the installer in a long time, so I don't remember offhand
[00:12] <bprompt> darksim:   for the installation, you only need, "/"  and "swap", is all, partitions wise, just for the install, now, if you want one for your videos and music and docs, create a partitiion, say ntfs and name it "multimedia depot" or so
[00:14] <bprompt> darksim:    $HOME is fine at sdc3, and the ~ folder will already have those directories I mentioned, Pictures, Videos, Documents and Music
[00:15] <darksim> But I can't mount the HDD to all those different folders at once, right?
[00:15] <bprompt> but is not a bad idea to have a partitiion for media only, just don't give it a mountpoint type of "media" =), since it will conflict, as you can see
[00:15] <darksim> Just confused why it worked before and why it's a conflict now...
[00:16] <darksim> I guess I'll have to come up with a new name that's indentifiable
[00:16] <darksim> identifiable...
[00:16] <darksim> I think... /mass will do
[00:17] <bprompt> darksim:   you can't mount w0t?   the system will mount, whatever is in /etc/fstab <--- so, if /etc/fstab has it, even if it's say a dvd or an external hdd or a network one, the system will mount it
[00:17] <darksim> as in mass storage, short name
[00:17] <darksim> Just saying that my computer as of now, has a 1TB HDD mounted onto /media
[00:18] <bprompt>   /mass?   what the?   I think you need to work some more on your naming =P, how about /stuff ?  or /things?
[00:18] <darksim> Faster to type
[00:18] <darksim> stuff looks too sloppy
[00:19] <bprompt> so it's mass =)
[00:19] <darksim> No offense :P
[00:19] <bprompt> hehehe
[00:20] <bprompt> mass? for what? to make bread?  to make tortillas?   is that a molecular mass?     your catholic chums will think you're often at church when they'd see the /mass, so they'd figure you have lots of church "mass" docs =)
[00:21] <darksim> It's multi-use
[00:21] <bprompt> same goes for "stuff" and "things"
[00:21] <darksim> It's like stuff but more academically nonsensical
[00:21] <bprompt> heheh
[00:22] <darksim> works better than mounting it on /dev/null
[00:22] <darksim> at least
[00:23] <bprompt> anyhow... use, whatever works, I myself think mass is terrible, but, different strokes for different folks, it depends, some namings maybe longer, or too descriptive, but they're unambiguous and you can pick them up at a glance when needed quick
[00:26] <darksim> Let's not bring down the world on naming, shall we? ;)
[00:27] <darksim> Next time I'm doing a complete wipe I think I'm going to try LVM at last :D
[00:28] <bprompt> lvm for a 1tb hdd.....oooooookkkk
[00:29] <darksim> Well I have a 256GB SSD too, LVM just seems nifty
[00:29] <darksim> Also snapshot backups and ability to extend/shrink partitions easily
[00:31] <darksim> Anyways, installtion complete, time to reboot
[00:31] <darksim> Thank you! <3
[00:52] <philoniare> is there anyone who has created a custom keyboard layout?
[01:25] <aadasdwe> heeey
[02:17] <Guest84228> hello
[02:17] <Guest84228> does anyone know a pdf file with terminal commands
[02:17] <Guest84228> for ubuntu
[04:32] <Arazel> Hello.  First time in this channel.
[05:00] <solvarr> Hey all
[05:00] <solvarr> How do I link an application to an activity?
[05:27] <valorie> solvarr: KDE applications can be linked, others are problematica
[05:27] <valorie> -a
[05:34] <Hank> hey
[05:34] <Hank> hey
[06:56] <bob2021> Hi.  I'm using lightdm and the kde greeter.  When I boot and then log in, it seems that the machine changes splash screens back and forth like 6 times before the desktop comes up.  Can this be improved upon?  Thanks.
[06:59] <valorie> bob2021: in what version of kubuntu?
[06:59] <valorie> sddm is the default
[06:59] <valorie> I found problems when I had both lightdm and sddm installed
[07:00] <bob2021> valorie: you don't remember me?  I'm hurt :(
[07:00] <valorie> I remember you
[07:00] <valorie> but not your k version
[07:00] <bob2021> I uninstalled sddm.  it's ubuntu 15.10 with kde installed on top
[07:00] <valorie> lol
[07:00] <bob2021> varlorie well its nice to know that i'm more than just a k version to you
[07:00] <valorie> you like lightdm more or so?
[07:01] <bob2021> valorie: i haven't been doing this long enough to have a preference, but i didn't see a reason to change more than necessary
[07:01] <valorie> we used it up through 14.04 I think
[07:01] <valorie> well, you uninstalled the default
[07:02] <bob2021> valorie: well, i installed k on top of ubuntu, so from another perspective, i just restored the default
[07:02] <valorie> I also found kdm installed and also uninstalled that, so you could check for that.....
[07:02] <valorie> sure, and you probably could get better help with lightdm in #ubuntu
[07:02] <bob2021> valorie: no i definitely can't get help in #ubuntu
[07:03] <valorie> why is that?
[07:03] <bob2021> i'm embarassed
[07:03] <valorie> it's a much bigger channel
[07:03] <bob2021> look, what's past is past, i can move on from it, i don't hold a grudge
[07:04] <bob2021> besides, if i was going to #ubuntu, you and I never would have met
[07:04] <valorie> .... for lightdm, I said
[07:04] <bob2021> is there a reason to swtich to sddm?
[07:05] <valorie> we prefer it because KDE devels prefer it and support it
[07:05] <bob2021> valorie but... what?
[07:05] <valorie> lightdm requires devels to sign a CLA to submit any patches
[07:05] <bob2021> why rather
[07:06] <valorie> and most non-Canonical employees don't like doing that
[07:06] <bob2021> valorie but is there anything better about sddm?
[07:06] <valorie> it is supported by our upstream
[07:07] <bob2021> valorie what about features and all that? appearance? behavior?
[07:07] <bob2021> ohhh wait i remember now
[07:07] <bob2021> the reason i didn't use sddm is that my username never showed up
[07:07] <bob2021> i always got a password box without being able to select a user and i said fuck it
[07:07] <valorie> that's odd
[07:07] <valorie> !language
[07:08] <bob2021> that was totally English, I'm pretty sure
[07:08] <valorie> please don't make me kick you
[07:08] <bob2021> can we get back to the splash screens?
[07:09] <valorie> multi-user support is coming to sddm, but you are right that right now it is single user
[07:09] <bob2021> and that single user wasn't me, because my password didn't work
[07:09] <bob2021> but any-hoo, i'm really focused on the splash screens
[07:11] <valorie> hey soee
[07:18] <soee> hiho valorie
[07:19] <valorie> soee: were you at fosdem?
[07:19] <soee> valorie: nope but i know lordieva1er was :)
[07:20] <valorie> this chan was pretty quiet with all devels who attended
[07:24] <bob2021> ok lets see if its fixed now
[08:02] <lordieva1er> Good morning.
[08:05] <valorie> wb, lord of nickserv
[08:06] <lordievader> Hehe, I forgot I might not have been identified to nickserv ;)
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:48] <Taggnostr2> is there a way to temporarily disable all the notifications?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2, yes in the system tray settings
[15:51] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, do I just uncheck "notifications"?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> yes, then recheck it whjen you want notifiers
[15:52] <Taggnostr2> I still get a popup from quassel, but no beep
[15:52] <Taggnostr2> also plasma just segfaulted :)
[15:53] <Taggnostr2> and now I got the beep and a weird-looking popup at the top of the screen
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2, update and upgrade
[15:57] <Taggnostr2> I did it this morning
[16:01] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, I tried to re-enable and disable them again, and I always seem to get the popup, and sometimes the beep too
[16:02] <Taggnostr2> would switching to a separate activity prevent notifications for apps running on the other activities?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2, uncheck notifications in the general mode/options of system tray settings
[16:25] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, that's what I did
[16:25] <Taggnostr2> they still are unchecked, but I got popup and beep for the message you just sent me
[16:26] <Taggnostr2> it's the option between media player and networks, right?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2, the check your irc client setings
[16:26] <BluesKaj> then
[16:26] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, I could disable it from quassel, but I was looking for a more general solution
[16:27] <Taggnostr2> also because I would have to disable all the notifications and reenable them again every time
[16:28] <BluesKaj> well one of the advantages of using Konversation is not needing to set that option
[16:29] <BluesKaj> the tab turns is coloured when there's a general message and specifically chosen colour if your nick is used in the chat
[16:30] <BluesKaj> tab text rather
[16:34] <acher88> Is there anything in system settings > start up/shutdown > background services?
[16:35] <acher88> can't recall if knotify etc runs in the background or just on demand?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> acher88, ststus notifier manager was running in start up/shutdown > background services here, but I don't see anything about knotify
[16:44] <BluesKaj> ststus=status
[16:55] <Guest3642> hi
[17:21] <cortexman> how do i disable alt showing me a "Type your command" window on my right monitor when using Terminal?
[18:16] <noaXess> hey all and good evening
[18:17] <noaXess> installed 15.10 and wondering if there is any similar as ktimetracker to track times automatically if i switch to another desktop.. in ktimetracker it was possibe
[18:17] <noaXess> and a good feature
[18:18] <Aristide> noaXess: Sorry I know only KTimeTracker
[18:19] <noaXess> hm.. but seams that ktimetracker won't be migrated to KF5 ;(
[19:08] <marcellus> hi! I just installed Kubuntu 15.10 a couple of days ago and everytime I open Dolphin or System settings, it freezes!
[19:08] <marcellus> It was a fresh install
[19:09] <marcellus> any ideas what can I do?
[19:13] <marcellus_> hi marcellus
[19:13] <marcellus> hi back marcellus
[19:16] <marcellus_> I have the same problem
[19:16] <marcellus_> and I reinstalled but no changes
[19:17] <marcellus> yup. seems like I'll have to go back to 14.04...
[19:18] <drleviathan> I installed 15.10 this weekend (from 14.10) and did not have that problem.
[19:19] <drleviathan> marcellus, maybe you should make a second (test) user account and see if the problem happens there?
[19:19] <drleviathan> I wonder if some kde settings that were migrated over are causing the problem.
[19:19] <drleviathan> or... was a complete clean install that cleared our your $HOME dir?
[19:20] <marcellus> it was a clean installation
[19:20] <marcellus> first I used ext2...
[19:20] <marcellus> then ext4
[19:21] <drleviathan> hrm... maybe disable all advanced eye-candy effects and verify that you have the right video driver (I'm just guessing here)
[19:21] <marcellus> What I did, as I always do, is use just 2GB for swap partition...
[19:21] <drleviathan> I've seen cases where plasma didn't work well because it was still running on the intel chipset and I had an nvidia alternative GPU
[19:22] <marcellus> ... I think I have a hybrid chipset...
[19:22] <acher88> can be problems with those I think?
[19:23] <marcellus> I am using the 'recommended' driver....
[19:24] <drleviathan> maybe disable all eye-candy anyway and try again.
[19:24] <marcellus> ok. I'll try that
[19:25] <drleviathan> btw, when it "freezes" what exactliy freezes?  the whole system or just the dolphin window?
[19:25] <marcellus> for example, I open dolphin and it freezes the whole screen for 1-2 seconds
[19:25] <drleviathan> keyboard also freezes? (do you have access to virtual terminals?  e.g. ctrl + shift + F1 through F5)
[19:25] <marcellus> the when I open system settings
[19:26] <marcellus> or anything that has to do with the system
[19:26] <drleviathan> I see, it blocks for a finite time and recovers.
[19:26] <marcellus> yes
[19:26] <marcellus> it works on after the 2 seconds
[19:27] <marcellus> how do I disable the eye-candy stuff?
[19:27] <drleviathan> yeah, the only idea I've got is that it is trying to so some eye-candy on the CPU
[19:27] <drleviathan> settings --> desktop behavior --> Desktop effects  (I think)
[19:28] <nyan> hey guys
[19:28] <nyan> was hoping for a bit of help?
[19:28] <nyan> when I reboot/shutdown my computer freezes
[19:28] <nyan> ive edited the grub file like a forum said so, and it hasn't helped
[19:29] <drleviathan> "freezes" how exactly?  GUI still visible but mouse + keyboard don't work?
[19:29] <drleviathan> goes black and takes forever to actually shutdown
[19:29] <drleviathan> ?
[19:30] <marcellus> it freezes like when you take a screenshot
[19:30] <nyan> like the kubuntu logo is visible, but the little spinning thing just freezes when I shut down. BUT when I REBOOT, it goes totally black.
[19:30] <marcellus> mouse, keyboard, everything is frozen
[19:30] <drleviathan> sorry marcellus, I was talking to nyan
[19:30] <marcellus> hahha
[19:30] <marcellus> no problem
[19:31] <drleviathan> nyan, still have access to virtual terminals?  ctrl + shfit + F1 through F5 ?
[19:31] <nyan> nope
[19:32] <nyan> nothing works
[19:32] <nyan> at all
[19:32] <nyan> complete freeze/black screen
[19:32] <drleviathan> started all of a sudden? or after a new install?
[19:33] <nyan> It's been starting all of a sudden on Kubuntu and other flavours of Ubuntu too...just out of nowwhere. Never encountered the issues before, my computer is perfectly "healthy" (checked the memory, the disk for errors etc). Don't know what to do.
[19:33] <nyan> And my computer isn't old either, so it's weird.
[19:34] <drleviathan> "and other flavours"... what, you installed new stuff?  or it is already dual booted? or you booted off of DVD or USB?
[19:35] <nyan> Meaning I tried previous flavours before, wiped the drive completely and installed Kubuntu to see if it would make any difference trying difference flavours but evidently it didn't.
[19:35] <nyan> Also read forums of different users encountering similar issues too.
[19:36] <drleviathan> it freezed when you logout? or only on shutdown?
[19:37] <nyan> I honestly haven't  tried log out. I'll try it now and get back to you.
[19:37] <nyan> Log out is fine.
[19:38] <drleviathan> alas, I don't have a good theory about what is wrong
[19:38] <nyan> I know, right? That's what the guys in Ubuntu said too. :P
[19:39] <nyan> Don't worry about it. Thanks for your time. :)
[19:39] <drleviathan> but according to your info it really is during the shutdown itself.
[19:39] <nyan> Yep, it does seem to be the shut down only.
[19:39] <nyan> Strange.
[19:39] <nyan> Might try a reinstall.
[19:39] <nyan> :)
[19:40] <drleviathan> btw, after you reinstall, you "apt-get upgrade" right?
[19:40] <drleviathan> that is, you're apt-get upgraded right now?
[19:40] <nyan> As in upgrading the operating system? I'm using 15.10
[19:41] <nyan> though the issue happened in the previous release suddenly too
[19:41] <nyan> I thought upgrading would help
[19:41] <nyan> :/
[19:41] <drleviathan> the install medium is always out of date on distribution.
[19:41] <drleviathan> after an install you open an terminal and make sure you have all the latest udpates
[19:41] <drleviathan> that were releases after the install ISO was cut
[19:42] <nyan> Okay, it installed and unpacked 1 update. I'll try reboot I guess.
[19:42] <nyan> brb
[19:42] <drleviathan> nyan, you did "apt-get update" first?
[19:43] <nyan> It prompted me to install updates when I first installed it, yes.
[19:43] <nyan> Downloaded them all
[19:43] <nyan> tried to reboot
[19:43] <drleviathan> ok then, it is unlikly to have been fixed, but good luck
[19:43] <nyan> got the issue again
[19:43] <nyan> i'll try it once more
[19:43] <drleviathan> wow, rapid turnaround
[19:46] <nyan_> nope same issue again :(
[19:46] <nyan_> just always have to power off with the button
[19:46]  * drleviathan does not know.
[19:47] <nyan_> I know you dont.
[19:47] <nyan_> Just gonna chill here for a bit.
[19:47] <nyan_> Thanks for your help though :)
[19:49] <drleviathan> nyan, I googled a bit.  It seems there were some problems with the grub splash screen.
[19:50] <drleviathan> someone caims to have fixed their problem by "disabling 3D acceleration in the bios" whatever that means
[19:50] <nyan> ah
[19:50] <nyan> could be it
[19:50] <drleviathan> this link.  might be relevant: http://askubuntu.com/questions/236476/how-do-i-diagnose-hang-on-shutdown
[19:50] <nyan> and I found another thing to type in grub file
[19:50] <nyan> I'll try them both :)
[19:50] <nyan> cheers
[20:13] <darksim> I'm liking Kubuntu 15.10 so far. Only a few quirks I want to fix. Like why I can't drag and drop files into Chrome to open them with Chrome
[22:15] <bob2021> valorie: do you think my kde-freezing issues might improve if I switched to wayland?
[22:17] <valorie> hey bob2021, you'll get better information if you ask the chan, not me
[22:17] <valorie> :-)
[22:17] <bob2021> valorie well, so far, kinda the other way
[22:17] <valorie> I've not tested wayland yet, but I hear it is coming along well
[22:17] <bob2021> but ok i'll try it
[22:17] <valorie> ask questions in #plasma where the experts live
[22:17] <bob2021> channel:  Do you think Valorie would advise me to switch to wayland to reduce kde freezes and video issues?
[22:17] <valorie> rofl
[23:22] <Fritigern> So plasma 5.5.3 landed in the backports PPA... I am a little scared to try it out...
[23:40] <valorie> Fritigern: I've been running it for at least a week
[23:40] <valorie> and am now upgrading to 5.5.4
[23:40] <valorie> you'll be fine
[23:41] <Fritigern> valorie: Remember my pont issues? They are supposedly fixed in 5.5.x so I am quite eager to upgrade...
[23:42] <valorie> I suggest you do that then
[23:42] <Fritigern> pont = font
[23:42] <valorie> you can always ppa-purge if you don't like it
[23:42] <valorie> !ppapurge
[23:42] <valorie> just set that up ahead of time
[23:43] <Fritigern> I already have it, but thanks for reminding me)
[23:43] <valorie> cool
[23:43] <valorie> restarting for .4
[23:44] <Fritigern> I also have y-ppa-manager which is also a great help


[05:10] <dominic1134> hi, for a project we need to re-build cyrus-sasl2 package after applying a custom patch to the sources. currently we do this more or less by hand and with a simple build.sh script. we would like to automate all those steps with launchpad, to daily build the package with the latest cyrus-sasl2 source form upstream. how could we achieve this while still keeping our custom patch in the series? thanks
[08:38] <mifritscher> hi
[08:38] <mifritscher> I get frequent timeouts when searching package names...
[11:05] <cjwatson> mifritscher: I have a project in progress to fix that category of problem as well as making the searches more accurate.  Should hopefully be finished in a few weeks (I've been sidetracked by another urgent piece of work).
[11:06] <cjwatson> It's partially landed, but I need to fix a few more views and do some more testing before switching it on by default.
[12:32] <mifritscher> oh, ok :-)


[14:13] <cjohnston> james_w: what server is s.l.o on?
[14:14] <cjohnston> mhall119: is summit and ltp stable now
[14:14] <mhall119> as far as I know, I haven't seen any new memory errors
[14:14] <cjohnston> cool
[14:15] <mhall119> cjohnston: s.l.o being status or summit?
[14:15] <cjohnston> james_w: I'm getting emails ref status.u.c where its taking loger than an hour as well...
[14:15] <cjohnston> status
[14:34] <james_w> cjohnston, it's on mombin, which is a linaro machine
[14:34] <cjohnston> ok
[14:35] <cjohnston> so its either the code or LP or both, but not the server


[01:06] <thumper> quick PR for someone https://github.com/juju/bundlechanges/pull/40
[01:17] <thumper> and another https://github.com/juju/gomaasapi/pull/73
[01:17] <veebers> thumper: lgtm on the fist one
[01:17] <veebers> first*
[01:19] <veebers> thumper: reviewed the 2nd, one question and a suggestion ^_^
[01:19] <thumper> veebers: juju/names is the old one
[01:19] <thumper> and not used again
[01:19] <veebers> thumper: ack, makes sense
[01:20] <thumper> yes, many of the things I'm doing need merge jobs
[01:21] <thumper> veebers: there used to be a merge bot... was it the old one?
[01:24] <veebers> thumper: probably, many moons ago. All that old stuff is long gone
[01:24]  * thumper sighs
[01:24] <thumper> I know we went through it last time...
[01:24] <veebers> thumper: it's for the best ;-) Have you done a merge job before? it's pretty straight forward
[01:24] <veebers> and also lots of fun
[01:25] <thumper> lies
[01:25] <veebers> and, uh, helps the environment?
[01:25] <thumper> can you point me to the notes again?
[01:32] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/description/pull/38
[02:15] <wallyworld> veebers: tiny one https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8706
[02:17] <veebers> wallyworld: hey, no name calling, I might get taller one day. Oh you mean the PR right. What does ?= do, or is it a typo
[02:17] <wallyworld> veebers: it means set if empty
[02:17] <veebers> ack
[02:18] <wallyworld> we also use it for tje docker user name
[02:18] <wallyworld> allow env var to override
[02:19] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, quick question on the pr, looks good to me though
[02:19] <wallyworld> looking
[02:21] <wallyworld> veebers: answer make sense?
[02:21] <veebers> wallyworld: indeed, LGTM
[02:21] <wallyworld> ty
[02:23] <wallyworld> kelvinliu__: veebers: we need to talk at some point about k8s CI testing - the docker operator image needs to be built and uploaded as part of that whole process
[02:24] <wallyworld> i just did it manually for rc1
[02:24] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, there was a brief email thread about that. I'm pretty sure we can fit that into our CI-Run bits easily enough (i.e. add an early step in the build process)
[02:24] <wallyworld> yup, no big issue, just something to add to the todo list
[02:25] <veebers> wallyworld: or is that for a release? (or both, something for each commit and something official for a release)
[02:25] <wallyworld> we'll need to get the qa user to have perms on the jujusolutions repo
[02:25] <wallyworld> both
[02:25] <wallyworld> we need to push somewhere to test prior to release
[02:26] <wallyworld> we can push to a qa namespace and override the source in juju for testing
[02:26] <kelvinliu__> yes, agreed, we could make it automated
[02:39] <kelvinliu__> or should we consider to create a separate dockerhub account for test to avoid some weird thing happened like test flow pushing image to the released image namespace. wallyworld veebers
[02:46] <wallyworld> kelvinliu__: a separate account is what i was thinking yes. there's a controller setting to override the default "caas-operator-image-path"
[02:48] <kelvinliu__> yeah
[02:51] <veebers> wallyworld, kelvinliu__ excuse my ignorance, what is getting pushed? can it be uniquely named? i.e. can I push something named ci-run-abc123?
[02:52] <veebers> (if so) We can then inject that as an env var so the test jobs can pick it up
[02:52] <wallyworld> veebers: it's a docker image for the jujud agent on k8s. it is tagged with the release number
[02:52] <wallyworld> theoretically that would be sufficient
[02:53] <wallyworld> eg if we have released 2.3.7 and are testing 2.3.8 there's no clash
[02:53] <wallyworld> as they have different labels/tags
[02:53] <wallyworld> so they could all live in the jujusolutions namespace. depends on how paranoid we want to be about accidentally overwriting
[02:53] <veebers> wallyworld: but for ci runs where it's the same version but different builds it will need to be unique (ci runs can be run in parallel)
[02:54] <wallyworld> right, hence we'd use the controller config setting
[02:54] <wallyworld> push with a tag and then use that path in the controller config
[02:55] <wallyworld> the image path is <dockerusername>/<imagename>:<tag>
[02:55] <veebers> wallyworld: ah right, if <imagename> can be anything we're sorted
[02:55] <wallyworld> CI tests should not pollute the offcial user namespace with test images
[02:56] <wallyworld> so we'd want to use a qa namespace for that
[02:57] <veebers> having a namespace for ci runs seems nice, de-clutters actual release stuff
[02:57] <wallyworld> yup
[03:53] <wallyworld> kelvinliu__: free for 5 minutes before next meeting, quick chat?
[03:53] <kelvinliu__> yup,
[03:53] <wallyworld> am in standup
[03:58] <thumper> review anyone? kinda simple, just big https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8707
[03:58] <thumper> 229 files
[03:59] <thumper> very mechanical changes
[04:33] <anastasiamac> could i plz have a review for https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8709? removing distant relations in status... really simple and straightforward :D
[04:49] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: looking
[04:49] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: +1 to feature, and great function names like TestFilterOutRelationsForRelatedApplicationsThatDoNotMatchCriteriaDirectly
[04:49] <blahdeblah> I have no idea whether the code is good or not, though. :-)
[04:52] <babbageclunk> blahdeblah: I'll factor your enthusiasm into the review!
[04:53] <blahdeblah>  👍
[04:54] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: \o/ i had to look at a test recently that i myself wrote in another life... it took me longer to figure out what it does than to actually write it originally... had to b very explicit here with status ;)
[04:55] <anastasiamac> another simplistic review plz - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8710 ... this one just reduces loggin noise :D literally 4 lines of changes maybe...
[04:56] <veebers> anastasiamac: +1
[04:57] <anastasiamac> veebers: ta :)
[05:04] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: fwiw, i wrote the test first to see it fail with current impl... then fixed the code :)
[05:04] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: ooh, fancy! Approved.
[05:04] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: :)
[05:05] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: hmm, looks like it still fails though?
[05:05] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: yep :( looking
[05:06] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: it seems to b racy \o/
[05:06] <babbageclunk> oh stink, I've got a few of those too.
[06:10] <wallyworld> kelvinliu__: tiny review? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8711
[06:11] <kelvinliu__> wallyworld, looking now
[06:17] <kelvinliu__> wallyworld, looking all good to me.
[06:17] <wallyworld> ty
[06:17] <wallyworld> i'm happy about the size reduction
[06:17] <kelvinliu__> wallyworld, the image size is much smaller, nice!
[06:18] <wallyworld> indee
[06:18] <wallyworld> d
[06:22] <myrat> hello guys
[09:42] <manadart> Small one for review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8713
[09:43] <myrat> how create a openstack project
[10:37] <manadart> externalreality: Any chance you could take a look at that one? ^
[13:27] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: rick_h_ do either of you know what port the termination port for spiceclient proxy is for nova-cloud-controller? Im having issues with web based access to my project instances, and I know it has something to do with spice and the nova cloud controller, im assuming it needs to terminate on that server, and pass to the novaa servers from there.
[13:54] <kwmonroe> bobeo_: beisner or admcleod_ are my openstack gotos.  one of them might know deats about spice/nova ^^.  you also might want to try asking in #openstack-charms.
[15:06] <admcleod_> bobeo_: you just enable the config option on nova-cloud-controller, then you use the api to get an access url (i.e. openstack console url show instance_id)
[15:09] <bobeo_> admcleod_: how do I "use the api" to get the access url? Via the web UI, it provides a token for the instance, how do I forward for that?
[15:10] <admcleod_> bobeo_: when you say webui what do you mean? openstack dashboard? horizon?
[15:10] <admcleod_> + whats the token?
[15:10] <bobeo_> admcleod_: openstack dashboard (horizon)
[15:11] <bobeo_> it provides a project instance id via /horizon/project/instances/<id>
[15:11] <bobeo_> it also does it via /spice_auto.html?<token>
[15:11] <bobeo_> i figured I could use haproxy to forward for those
[15:13] <admcleod_> bobeo_: do be honest, i dont use horizon, and we typically dont use spice, so anything i could tell you i would read here: https://docs.openstack.org/nova/pike/admin/remote-console-access.html
[16:04] <manadart> Another up for review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8715
[18:59] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: beisner admcleod_ I think i found the issue as to why spice isnt working. I noticed in the nova compute after reading the docs that the update for spice applies at the nova compute, but openstack via openstack dashboard (horizon) processes the connection with the nova cloud controller directly, but I dont see anything that also modifies the connection for spice in the
[19:00] <bobeo_> nova cloud controller. with that being said,a nd with spice expressly requiring vnc settings to be disabled as per openstack docs, this would mean that I dont believe there is a proxy pass to the nova compute nodes, which would create a break inside the config files correct? or am I missing something?
[19:01] <bobeo_> nova compute - http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DsPF7wRbpW/  nova cloud controller - http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TH9jNQ6s3B/ with spice configured to be used.
[19:06] <bobeo_> further review shows that the [spice] section inside the nova cloud controller isnt configured with anything for spice in the nova.conf file, even though inside the juju config file, for the nova cloud controller, according to juju, spice is configured.  nova cloud controller config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7bx68YZCW4/   is this another bug?
[19:09] <admcleod_> bobeo_: is there anything for spice in nova.conf on the nova-compute nodes?
[19:13] <bobeo_> admcleod_: yes, which is what makes me think the issue is either with the nova cloud controller config since there is a section for spice in it, but its blank, and horizon forwards to the nova cloud controller
[19:14] <bobeo_> or its with nova cloud controller not proxy forwarding to the nova compute nodes directly, which would simply require the nova cloud controller to proxy to the nova computes. My only question would be how would it know how to do that, except through nova-consoleauth
[19:14] <admcleod_> bobeo_: if you think there is a bug you should definitely log it..
[19:14] <bobeo_> admcleod_: I dont think I would be the best person for that. I honestly dont understand the charms enough to speak well enough for it.
[19:15] <admcleod_> bobeo_: if you think there is a problem, thats understanding well enough - the docs should be clear enough, or things should 'just work'
[19:15] <admcleod_> bobeo_: unfortunately i have less experience with spice + horizon than you do
[19:15] <bobeo_> admcleod_: Ill definitely try then. its done through launchpad right?
[19:16] <admcleod_> yep - if you find the charm you think is at fault on the charm store, there is a link to 'submit a bug' on the right hand side
[19:24] <kwmonroe> bobeo_: +1 to admcleod_'s suggestion for filing a bug -- you definitely don't need to know the inner workings of the charms to do that.  worst case, somebody comes along and says "you're doing it wrong; do it this way".  best case, there's an actual doc/bug that needs fixing.  either way, you'll get unstuck :)
[19:28] <TheAbsentOne> hey guys, is it possible in a bundle to have an option that says how many charms need to be deployed? For example I have charm a, b, c (all of them only once) that all have a relation to charm x. In some cases I only need 1 x but sometimes I need 5 x. Is this possible?
[19:28] <TheAbsentOne> kwmonroe you will probably know that x)
[19:29] <bobeo_> TheAbsentOne: I have seen this done
[19:29] <TheAbsentOne> Ohn cool bobeo_ do you have any docs on that?
[19:30] <bobeo_> TheAbsentOne: I have you one better, https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/~elasticsearch-charmers/elk-stack/archive/bundle.yaml
[19:31] <bobeo_> it deploys two seperate instance units of elasticsearch inside the ELK bundle, which if Im understanding correctly is what you are looking to do, except maybe not with ELK
[19:31] <kwmonroe> TheAbsentOne: you lost me on your use case
[19:31] <bobeo_> TheAbsentOne: is that what you were talking about?
[19:31] <TheAbsentOne> haha xD I need to figure out if it's gonna work with multiple units but I really want different machines for it to work
[19:31] <kwmonroe> what is 'x' where you would sometimes need 1 and other times need 5 in the same bundle?
[19:32] <TheAbsentOne> wait I will illustrate it with a pastebin!
[19:32] <TheAbsentOne> x is a charm!
[19:32] <bobeo_> so like -machine 1  ; -machine 2 ; -machine 3
[19:33] <bobeo_> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/openstack-base/archive/bundle.yaml TheAbsentOne
[19:34] <TheAbsentOne> https://pastebin.com/LANAB7pN
[19:34] <TheAbsentOne> yeah bobeo_ that was my first thought too, with machines
[19:35] <TheAbsentOne> But it would be cool if a user of the bundle could give the number of x's that need to be deployed
[19:36] <bobeo_> hmmm..I know after the bundle is deployed they can easily deploy additional units
[19:37] <TheAbsentOne> yeah exactly therefore it's no big deal, it was just a showerthought or rather question x)
[19:37] <TheAbsentOne> thanks for the help though guys!
[19:38] <admcleod_> num_unis
[19:38] <kwmonroe> TheAbsentOne: afaik, there is not a way to do dynamic bundles -- meaning you can't adjust num_units or applications at deploy time.
[19:38] <bobeo_> TheAbsentOne: I think its a great point, especially towards the point that I would like to have isolated instances of postgres in the same model. FOr instance, I have app A that I want to keep data from app B completely isolated from, and have a different config file for. Currently, im required to deploy an additional model so I can deploy additional postgres instances.
[19:39] <kwmonroe> TheAbsentOne: for your use case, you might be better served with multiple bundles.. mybundle-core could have 1 'x' deployed and related.  mybundle-scaled could have 5 'x' deployed and related per your paste.
[19:39] <TheAbsentOne> that's clear kwmonroe, that was basicly my question. Sorry for the poor formulation and yeah multiple bundles or clear instructions for users to edit it to their needs
[19:39] <kwmonroe> bobeo_: you can deploy the same postgres charm multiple times
[19:39] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: yea, id agree with what he said. ELK did something something simliar, and bdx did something like that as well.
[19:40] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: yea, but I want different deployments. for instance, app A, i dont want replication on, app b, I do.
[19:40] <TheAbsentOne> bobeo_: you can deploy the same charm multiple times without issue, just give them a name
[19:40] <TheAbsentOne> ahn I see
[19:40] <TheAbsentOne> and kwmonroe was way ahead of me xD
[19:40] <kwmonroe> yeah bobeo_, what TheAbsentOne said.  you can just pick a different name for the pg deployment
[19:41] <bobeo_> TheAbsentOne: wait, I think I misread that, you mean I can have different charm instances of the same type of charm, like postgres? So I can have postgresA, which has no replicaton turned on in the config, and then postgresB, which does? in the same model?
[19:41] <kwmonroe> yup
[19:41] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: 8O
[19:41] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: can you provide me a command line on that?
[19:42] <TheAbsentOne> juju deploy postgresql postgres-a ; juju deploy postgresql postgres-b
[19:42] <TheAbsentOne> and you will have 2 different machines
[19:42] <TheAbsentOne> available at your command x)
[19:43] <kwmonroe> yup ^^ that's it on the command line.. here it is in a bundle: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T2RxVsHJQ2/
[19:43] <kwmonroe> bobeo_: ^
[19:44] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: TheAbsentOne with totally separate postgres configurations? so id do juju config postgres-a for config a and juju config postgres-b for config b?
[19:44] <kwmonroe> yup bobeo_
[19:44] <TheAbsentOne> yep completely different machines
[19:46] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: DATAFARM!!!! I can build replicated databases on the same MODEL!
[19:47] <kwmonroe> it's like i can see the lightbulb burning from here
[19:48] <TheAbsentOne> Haha x) good stuff guys
[19:48] <kwmonroe> :)
[19:50] <bobeo_> juju deploy postgres postgres-a --to lxd:0 && juju add-unit -n 2 postgres postgres-a --to lxd:0 && juju add-relation postgres:peer postgres:peer postgres-a
[19:50] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: TheAbsentOne yes?
[19:50] <bobeo_> replicated triplicate databases on a single machine, machine 0, in lxd.
[19:52] <kwmonroe> bobeo_: once you provide that first name, postgres-a, that's how you'll be referring to it.  so it's not "juju add-unit postgres postres-a", but rather "juju add-unit postgres-a"
[19:52] <TheAbsentOne> yah wanted to say thing, once it gets a name always use the name and not the charm name anymore
[19:52] <kwmonroe> bobeo_: and there's no need to explicitly add the peer relation -- juju does that for you
[19:52] <bobeo_> kwmonroe: oOOOH! So postgres effectively bcomes postgres-a or postgres-b, depending on which one I refer to
[19:53] <kwmonroe> yup bobeo_
[19:53] <bobeo_> so the charm name is not a permanent name, but more so a placeholder name, with the permenant name declared at deployment
[19:53] <bobeo_> OMG!
[19:53] <bobeo_> I CAN HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF NOVA COMPUTES!
[19:54] <kwmonroe> yeah bobeo_, postgres-a in your example is what you've chosen for your application name.  it's optional and defaults to the charm name if not specified, but you're welcome to give it whatever you want:
[19:54] <kwmonroe> $ juju deploy --help|head -1
[19:54] <kwmonroe> Usage: juju deploy [options] <charm or bundle> [<application name>]
[20:00] <kwmonroe> bobeo_: i just double checked, and your add-unit won't quite work as written.  juju add-unit -n 2 postgres-a --to lxd:0 would add 2 new postgres-a units, but only the first would go to a new lxd container on machine 0; the second will go to a new machine.
[20:00] <kwmonroe> not sure if that's by design or not.. but to get what you want, you'd have to do:
[20:01] <kwmonroe> juju deploy postgresql postgres-a --to lxd:0 && juju add-unit postgres-a --to lxd:0 && juju add-unit postgres-a --to lxd:0
[20:01] <TheAbsentOne> ohn did not know that
[20:03] <kwmonroe> yeah, that's new to me too
[20:18] <bdx> https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5e85591y1l4ahd/IMG_9161.JPG?dl=0 - just got these 40Gb switches in, looks like they run debian 😓 😓 😓
[20:18] <bdx> have no idea what to do with this lol
[20:18] <wpk> bdx: install Ubuntu? :)
[20:19] <bdx> wpk: definitely crossed my mind
[20:20] <bdx> I'm wondering if its just straight linux networking going on here
[20:21] <bdx> each port shows up as an interface or something
[20:21] <bdx> thats all I can think of ... unless there is some special networking application running
[20:22] <bdx> well I know not the user name and password, so I'm going to have reinstall something on it
[20:23] <zeestrat> bdx: Those Dell/Broadcom S6000?
[20:24] <bdx> ya
[20:24] <bdx> zeestrat: you have experience with these?
[20:24] <kwmonroe> bdx: did you try admin/admin?
[20:25] <bdx> from what I can gather, it looks like they just use they network stack of whatever os you install on it
[20:25] <kwmonroe> Windows For Workgroups!  make it happen bdx
[20:25] <bdx> yes
[20:25] <bdx> tried a bunch lol
[20:26] <veebers> Morning
[20:27] <zeestrat> bdx: Nah, just seen them around. As you say, I think there are a couple of different stacks. Looks like there's some cumulus stuff and https://github.com/Azure/SONiC
[20:28] <bdx> totally, I'm finding a bunch of stuff out there, just another new thing to learn thats all  :)
[20:29] <zeestrat> Any special plans or just TOR?
[20:32] <bdx> ahh, I was hoping these most inexpensive switches could lay the foundation for my SAN
[20:32] <bdx> picked up 3 of them used for < 2k
[20:32] <bdx> :)
[20:33] <bdx> now, now is when I pay the prie
[20:33] <bdx> price
[20:33] <bdx> the price of time
[20:35] <zeestrat> Haha. Man, I do get jealous of the decent used and refurbished market in the US.
[20:35] <zeestrat> What kind of storage you doing?
[20:36] <bdx> I've been grabbing used gear from https://unixsurplus.com and https://www.orangecomputers.com - possibly they will ship to you
[20:39] <bdx> zeestrat: I have a bunch of these https://unixsurplus.com/collections/4u-servers-1/products/freenas-server-36-bay-supermicro-4u-2x-e5-2680-2-8ghz-192gb-2-port-10gbe-sfp-nic
[20:39] <bdx> filled with 6TB drives and ssds
[20:39] <zeestrat> Cool. Most outlets don't ship to eu, nevermind Norway which is outside. Then you get hit with vat and customs
[20:39] <bdx> ahh
[20:40] <bdx> well shoots
[20:41] <zeestrat> Yeah, I remember you showed them last time around. How much a pop? How many disks?
[20:41] <kwmonroe> zeestrat: sounds like you need a 3d printer
[20:41] <kwmonroe> then bdx can just send you a few detail pics and BAM, free switches
[20:42] <bdx> zeestrat: we can devise a plan to smuggle you cheap used hardware from the US
[20:42] <bdx> have  you ever seen the movie "blow"?
[20:43] <zeestrat> Now we're talking. Can I be Penelope Cruz?
[20:43] <bdx> ahhhh sure ....
[20:43] <bdx> haha:)
[20:44] <zeestrat> Forgot how it ends so I figured Johnny Depp bought it in the end
[20:44] <zeestrat> kwmonroe: I'll take my chances printing my own money
[20:45] <kwmonroe> that... that's a terrible idea.
[20:46] <zeestrat> That's exactly what Photoshop said when I tried to scan some bills when I was younger
[20:53] <zeestrat> bdx: got 40g nics in there as well?
[20:58] <bdx> sure do
[20:59] <bdx> 40Gb, 10Ggb, 1Gb, these things are stacked
[21:22]  * thumper blows out
[21:22] <thumper> setting up a merge from 2.3 -> develop
[21:22] <thumper> quite a few conflicts there... wasn't expecting any
[21:22] <rick_h_> thumper: surprise!
[21:23] <thumper> hmm...
[21:23] <thumper> I think these are me reordering and regrouping imports properly
[21:23] <thumper> dumb me
[21:28] <babbageclunk> thumper: no good deed yada yada
[23:13] <admcleod_> thumper: is that anything to do with 2.3.8? :}
[23:14] <thumper> admcleod_: no... it was due to a branch I had which was breaking apart packages
[23:14] <admcleod_> bugger
[23:25] <thumper> admcleod_: all fixed now though
[23:25] <admcleod_> \o/
[23:26] <thumper> well... just checked and no it isn't
[23:26] <thumper> I think I have another conflict
[23:26]  * thumper enfixorates
[23:26] <wpk> thumper: o/
[23:28] <thumper> hey wpk
[23:30] <thumper> ok... I've had enough of this bollocks
[23:31] <thumper> why does 'make pre-check' on my machine fail differently to the merge bot?
[23:31] <thumper> they are both running the verify script
[23:31] <thumper> and both should be using the same go version
[23:32] <thumper> wallyworld, veebers ^^ ? anyone
[23:32] <rick_h_> wpk: what's up?!
[23:33] <veebers> thumper: OTP will look shortly
[23:33] <wpk> rick_h_: not much, not much. watching natgeo, drinking an APA.
[23:33] <rick_h_> wpk: sound like a fine evening.
[23:34] <rick_h_> I'm waiting eagerly for the blue planet ii stuff to drop
[23:43]  * thumper just doesn't understand why his local verify is failing...
[23:45] <veebers> thumper: did you do a make add-patches (or haven't added patches)
[23:45] <thumper> veebers: hadn't added patches
[23:45] <veebers> thumper: or are your local deps been patched when they shouldn't have?
[23:45] <thumper> nope
[23:46] <thumper> veebers: I'm about to head to class, can I grab you after lunch?
[23:46] <thumper> perhaps you can shed light on this
[23:46] <veebers> thumper: sure thing


[04:06] <niytro> hi all =)
[04:06] <niytro> just installed lubu 14.04.1 and im excited
[04:07] <niytro> however im facing a few bugs was looking for some help
[04:08] <niytro> i cant seem to open the settings for workspaces to edit them, im clicking show desktop pager settings and nothing happens
[04:28] <holstein> niytro: you are clicking "show desktop" ?
[04:29] <holstein> niytro: it wont do anything if you are already looking at the desktop.. what do you want to have happen?
[04:29] <holstein> !bug | niytro
[04:29] <holstein> if you feel you have a bug, ^
[04:29] <niytro> im clicking desktop pager settings
[04:29] <niytro> and no windows come up
[04:29] <niytro> im unable to remove the second desktop that i dont need
[04:30] <holstein> niytro: it can be tricky, there
[04:30] <holstein> niytro: you dont want *any* other desktops, then?
[04:30] <holstein> i remember actually being able to click around and make that happen..
[04:30] <niytro> holstein, just one is fine, im on older hardware anyway so i never have too many windows open
[04:31] <niytro> i was on 14.10 and a settings box would come up
[04:31] <holstein> niytro: workspaces dont take up resources like that
[04:31] <niytro> but i downgraded to the point release on 04 for the LTS
[04:31] <holstein> niytro: i suggest using 14.04..
[04:31] <niytro> holstein, i didnt think that they did but im saying i dont have enough programs running at any given time to need more than one workspace
[04:31] <niytro> holstein, im on 14.04.1
[04:32] <holstein> niytro: sure, and i feel that, i can poke around in the menu and get rid of my second ont
[04:32] <holstein> one*
[04:32] <holstein> niytro: can you?
[04:32] <niytro> holstein, let me try again
[04:34] <niytro> holstein, okay found it in openbox config manager
[04:34] <niytro> holstein, cool
[04:34] <niytro> holstein, sorry im really new to linux
[04:34] <holstein> niytro: you are using both openbox, and lxde.. openbox is part of lxde
[04:34] <holstein> niytro: no worries.. its not totally clear
[04:34] <niytro> i was unaware
[04:37] <niytro> holstein, okay now I went to default apps for LXSession and im trying to change default launch app for music and videos to VLC, which I installed, but there is no VLC listed
[04:38] <niytro> holstein, I also am unable to change my screen brightness
[04:38] <niytro> holstein, the brightness is an issue
[04:38] <holstein> niytro: screen brightness can be on different keys that you are used to, or related to the gpu driver.. or if your GPU supports linux or not
[04:39] <niytro> holstein, okay well ive tried to google this issue without any luck
[04:40] <holstein> niytro: heres the biggest issue with your screen brightness
[04:40] <holstein> you are not promised by the creator of the hardware that you can control the screen brightness in linux
[04:40] <holstein> niytro: now, it could be *simple*.. could be, the GPU drivers.. have you experiemented with other GPU drivers?
[04:40] <niytro> holstein, this laptop is old, its a toshiba satellite M45-S269
[04:41] <ianorlin> niytro: have you tried xbacklight?
[04:41] <holstein> could be a simple pacakge that the lighter lubuntu doesnt have that main ubuntu wound have
[04:41] <holstein> would*
[04:41] <niytro> i havent tried xbacklight
[04:41] <niytro> actually
[04:41] <niytro> i think i did
[04:41] <niytro> command line only right?
[04:41] <holstein> i refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopSpecialKeys
[04:42] <niytro> okay xbacklight says there are no outputs with backlight property
[04:42] <ianorlin> niytro: I am not sure what I can do for you then
[04:43] <niytro> well that sucks haha
[04:43] <niytro> thanks though
[04:43] <niytro> its like full brightness all the time, bummer
[04:43] <holstein> niytro: there are other ways to set screen brightness
[04:43] <niytro> hows that
[04:44] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149054/how-to-change-lcd-brightness-from-command-line-or-via-script
[04:44] <holstein> you can try that, or, again, explore GPU drivers..
[04:48] <niytro> i just changed a setting and cant figure out where it is again
[04:48] <niytro> to have images next to menu items
[04:49] <niytro> and buttons
[04:50] <niytro> got it
[04:50] <holstein> niytro: i say, experiement with settings in the live iso, and/or the guest account. then you dont have to worry
[04:50] <niytro> well ive decided this is for sure what i want on this machine
[04:50] <niytro> it runs so well
[04:51] <holstein> niytro: sure
[04:51] <niytro> very old laptop that used to run xp
[04:51] <niytro> okay so im going to look at those links for the screen brightness
[04:51] <holstein> niytro: im saying, rather than, getting into the situation where you say "oh, i have pressed a button, and changed a setting, and cant revert, and im having a bad day".. just use the live iso to experiment like you are doing
[04:51] <niytro> and see what i come up with
[04:51] <holstein> or, in the guest account
[04:52] <holstein> the settings are not saved there
[04:52] <niytro> how do i access the guest account
[04:52] <holstein> you can experiment, in both situations, without "breaking" anything permanently
[04:52] <holstein> niytro: you can log into the guest account from the login screen
[04:53] <niytro> okay great
[04:54] <niytro> i really need to figure out this brightness problem
[04:54] <niytro> time to read
[04:56] <holstein> niytro: try the command line
[04:56] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149054/how-to-change-lcd-brightness-from-command-line-or-via-script
[04:56] <holstein> keep in mind, you were promised windows support.. not linux support.. so, you  may have to accept compromise
[05:00] <niytro> i cant stand windows
[05:00] <niytro> and they stopped support for xp anyway
[05:01] <niytro> i love linux im excited to be learning
[05:01] <holstein> niytro: sure.. but "they" promised you xp support.. thats all im saying. "they" are welcome to support linux, but, if they dont, then, you may not have things working "out of the box" like the brightness
[05:01] <niytro> just really want to turn down this brightness so i dont fry my eyes doing so
[05:01] <niytro> oh i seee
[05:01] <holstein> there may be ways to make that work, but, there may not.. but, *all* of linux, and ubuntu and lubuntu are completely open.. not preventing that from working, in any way
[05:02] <niytro> i understand
[05:09] <niytro> holstein, success! changed brightness using xrandr
[05:09] <niytro> holstein, now to figure out how to bind a command to some hotkeys
[05:10] <holstein> niytro: maybe, just take it easy
[05:10] <ianorlin> niytro: it will be ~/.config/openbox
[05:10] <holstein> niytro: think about the arc of how you learned using xp.. and how long you literally just used it "as-is".. try and not land in linux and solve all the worlds problems the first day..
[05:11] <niytro> well nothing else to do at the moment
[05:11] <niytro> but i hear you
[05:11] <niytro> but that makes me so happy
[05:11] <niytro> that was driving me nuts
[05:15] <niytro> hmm also transmission isnt handling magnet links for some reason
[05:15] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/122930/how-can-i-make-firefox-open-magnet-links-in-transmission
[05:16] <holstein> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/1n92el/ubuntuhow_do_i_set_transmission_as_the_default/
[05:16] <holstein> i remember working out a way to do it.. for someone else
[05:32] <niytro> yea when i hit a magnet link it tries to run xdg-open
[05:32] <niytro> or something
[05:33] <niytro> im reading that second page
[05:57] <niytro> holstein, does lubuntu allow to create a "restore point" for recovery later if needed?
[06:17] <niytro> this link fixed the magnet link
[06:17] <niytro> https://www.foresightlinux.se/make-chromium-or-chrome-to-open-magnet-links-in-lxde/
[06:17] <niytro> editing xdg-open
[06:28] <Dresk> Yet another strange bug, the clock on lxpanel stops updating frequently (I have seconds displayed)
[06:28] <Dresk> Not even sure how to kick start it back into gear
[06:29] <Dresk> Hm, it updated after one minute
[06:30] <Dresk> Yeah it only updates on the minute
[06:30] <ianorlin> I have a seen it skip seconds too
[06:30] <Dresk> Googling it I see the bug apparently fixed in 2010
[17:40] <wxl> Dresk: you still around?
[17:40] <Dresk> wxl: Yeah
[17:41] <wxl> Dresk: where we at? questions remain?
[17:42] <Dresk> wxl: Well, stuff's working decently right now, I'm still getting used to upstart and Synaptic, got all my themes working except for Qt5 (only one app I have uses that, Teamspeak, and it has its own isolated Qt5 libs with it), PulseAudio is running but I am having some odd clipping issues with Audacious even with the EQ disabled
[17:43] <wxl> don't get too used to upstart Dresk, given impending systemd ;)
[17:43] <Dresk> wxl: Just lots of things to learn; before I was on Mandriva with RPMs, which I didn't use, I compiled everything, I used ALSA with hardware mixing on a soundcard that supported hardware mixing (and a hardware equalizer)
[17:43] <wxl> Dresk: i don't use pulse. lots of people do, i loathe it.
[17:44] <Dresk> Yeah like, what's up with that, systemd is here to conquer init but, what's upstart doing?
[17:44] <wxl> Dresk: my guess is that upstart will fade away, too.
[17:44] <Dresk> wxl: Well my very advanced Linux friends hate Pulse but say it's here to stay.  Skype also needs Pulse
[17:44] <wxl> Dresk: i use skype with alsa.
[17:45] <Dresk> I don't particularly like Pulse right now, but it's working and the Volume Mixer GUI is very nice
[17:45]  * wxl nods
[17:45] <Dresk> My alternative would be ALSA dmix I guess at this point, I'm not going to use hardware mixing anymore, caused too many random issues
[17:47] <Dresk> I'm debating NOT using Firefox through Synaptic, instead using Firefox's official releases, since I have no idea how quick Ubuntu churns out new versions and what Firefox's own Check for Updates feature does
[17:47] <Dresk> Ah, I see it's disabled
[17:47] <wxl> yeah i find browsers usually lag behind
[17:48] <wxl> i use official google chrome
[17:48] <Dresk> The biggest question I have at this point is, why did I choose Lubuntu over Ubuntu, more importantly, how EXACTLY is it different?  Did they just introduce some packages that added NetworkManager to LXDE?  What else is different as opposed to me running Ubuntu with LXDE?
[17:48] <wxl> the fact that the install results in an addition of a repo makes it sustainable
[17:48] <wxl> similar with virtualbox
[17:48] <wxl> well basically all of the gnome/unity bits are totally removed
[17:49] <wxl> and for the sake of discussion, imagine all the apps are removed
[17:50] <wxl> and then anything required for those pieces are removed
[17:50] <wxl> then throw in lxde
[17:50] <wxl> and use only apps that are lightweight
[17:51] <Dresk> Well what's an example of an app that was cut due to not being lightweight?  Is LibreOffice an example?  I don't know if that comes with Ubuntu by default (with Mandriva I'm accustomed to being asked what I want to install during installation, as opposed to *buntu's setup of no options, just packages afterwards)
[17:52] <wxl> Dresk: yes
[17:52] <wxl> you CAN remove whatever you want and add whatever you want
[17:52] <wxl> so you want libreoffice instead of abiword and gnumeric
[17:52] <wxl> just install one and remove the others
[17:52] <wxl> removing anything that's part of lubuntu will imply removing "lubuntu-desktop" which is just an index file. don't freak out when you see that. just delete it.
[17:55] <Dresk> I have to comment that it's nowhere near as polished as Mandriva; Mandriva has a full control center which centralizes access to everything, including package management, users, power control, compositor, themes for all engines (Gtk, Qt, etc), service management (easily start / stop services, remove them from on boot)
[17:56] <Dresk> So on the one hand I went from compiling everything and living in a terminal but having excellent GUI-based system administration, to full package usage but what I consider a degraded system control UI (no "Control Panel" to start with, an idea I personally like)
[17:58] <Dresk> Oh, one bug that by all accounts should be fixed is that my clock only updates on the minute, despite me having it display the second.  I can randomly jumpstart it by doing properties on lxpanel, but it only updates on the second for a few minutes, then goes back to on the minute
[17:58] <wxl> file a bug on that one
[17:59] <Dresk> This bug was filed back in 2008 independent of Lubuntu, and apparently fully resolved in all edge cases in 2010, so I have no idea how it's happening here
[17:59] <wxl> Dresk: then it could be a regression, and/or lubuntu-specific
[23:23] <nicholas> is lxde good? I might consider switching to it from XFCE
[23:23] <nicholas> can you customize it a lot?
[23:24] <ianorlin> good is personal preference but you have to try it out
[23:24] <ianorlin> yes there are lots of ways to customize it
[23:24] <nicholas> ok
[23:24] <nicholas> are there a lot of customization options?
[23:24] <wxl> what's "a lot?"
[23:24] <wxl> Dresk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/obconf/+bug/1272834/comments/9
[23:25] <wxl> Dresk: that should fix your problems with the desktop page
[23:25] <nicholas> same or greater than xfce
[23:25] <wxl> nicholas: well there's no composition naturally in lxde. is there something specific you're looking for?
[23:26] <Dresk> wxl: I'm guessing your a Lubuntu dev?
[23:26] <nicholas> lightweight, customizable, stable
[23:26] <Dresk> nicholas: compton seems to be the rage for that
[23:27] <Unit193> Compton is good as a compositor, and openbox is rather configurable as long as you don't mind editing config files.
[23:27] <wxl> Dresk: nope
[23:27] <wxl> nicholas: you're using subjective words. i'm looking for something more objective. what specific do you want to change?
[23:27] <Dresk> Hm, experienced some PulseAudio latency on that notification, strange, first time
[23:27] <nicholas> IDK, just getting bored of xfce
[23:28] <Dresk> nicholas: I think you'll find LXDE to be very lightweight and streamlined but with a "Windows 7" pedigree of polish and customization
[23:28] <Dresk> nicholas: LXDE as a derivative of Openbox is lacking in GUI configuration though
[23:28] <nicholas> ok
[23:28] <Unit193> Dresk: It uses openbox as the window manager.
[23:28] <nicholas> I've used openbox standalone before in Crunchbang
[23:29] <Dresk> nicholas: I started out with KDE eons ago, switched to IceWM since it was claimed to be the MOST efficient, switched to Gnome for a bit and have been with LXDE for, 6 years or so now
[23:30] <nicholas> I'm still a n00b at this linux stuff, about 1/2 to 1 year of experience
[23:30] <Dresk> So, anecdotally speaking, I think LXDE has "a lot" of customization for you
[23:30] <nicholas> would lxde be OK for me?
[23:31] <Dresk> Sure
[23:31] <Dresk> http://spidflisk.com/tmp/Linux.Desktop.2014.02.04.png - Here's a screenshot of my LXDE desktop, hasn't changed much since I took it
[23:31] <nicholas> ok, I'll give it a try
[23:31] <Dresk> But that screenshot has me angry now since the font rendering is much smoother than what I have now in Lubuntu, going to speak to wxl about that, heh
[23:31] <nicholas> nice
[23:32] <nicholas> whaqts that thing on the upper right side that shows your cpu etc
[23:32] <nicholas> conky?
[23:32] <Dresk> GKrellM
[23:32] <nicholas> cool
[23:33] <Dresk> So, that's an example of an LXDE desktop, but kind of barebones in what LXDE can do for you
[23:33] <Dresk> Just, nice, consistent theming, I like lxpanel (the bottom bar with the desktops, task manager, clock, tray, etc)
[23:33] <nicholas> sure, I'm downloading it right now on my xubuntu
[23:34] <nicholas> so to start it, do I have to change xorg or something?
[23:35] <Dresk> If you logout you should be able to choose your session at the login screen in the top right
[23:35] <wxl> i use awesome instead of openbox
[23:35] <Dresk> I JUST switched to *buntu 2 days ago, I'm completely new to it
[23:35] <nicholas> ok, got by using "startlxde"
[23:35] <wxl> OH
[23:35] <wxl> thanks for reminding me about that
[23:35] <Dresk> wxl: Alright we gotta figure out what's going on with my font rendering, one sec, let me take a screenshot of my current desktop
[23:36] <nicholas> in lxde, is there a global settings menu?
[23:36] <nicholas> or it just in the menu
[23:36] <wxl> there is no ONE place to do settings nicholas
[23:36] <nicholas> ok TY for the help
[23:36] <Dresk> In a way; lxpanel is the biggest piece of it, but individual lxde apps have their own individual settings
[23:37] <Dresk> nicholas: I do personally prefer KDE's style of a big control panel, but lxde is functioned as a per-app setup
[23:37] <nicholas> ok
[23:37] <nicholas> maybe I'll keep xfwm4, kinda like the themes for it, IDK
[23:43] <nicholas> Anyone know how to change the color of the open window tabs in lxpanel?
[23:45] <Dresk> Not sure if you can
[23:45] <nicholas> ok, is there like a gui openbox settings?
[23:47] <Dresk> Right-click anywhere in the panel and click Panel Settings
[23:47] <nicholas_> ok
[23:47] <Dresk> That's where you configure "lxpanel" itself, without getting into the individual components
[23:47] <Dresk> wxl: You still here?
[23:47] <nicholas_> yeh
[23:47] <nicholas_> sorry accidently closed my irc
[23:47] <nicholas_> LOL
[23:49] <nicholas_> oh nvm
[23:50] <nicholas_> any gui openbox setttings?
[23:50] <Dresk> Not sure what you mean by that?  obconf is still pertinent
[23:51] <nicholas_> ohh found it


[15:04] <fergusfx> I wonder if someone can help me. My ubuntu installation won't boot, I think the UEFI is corrupted. I've tried fixing it but no luck so far
[15:13] <fergusfx> I meant to say that I think the grub is corrupted


[17:32] <Pici> xXEoflaOEXx seems to have very weird problems, but also provides what looks like sound advice.
[21:23] <valorie> !seen mneptok
[21:23] <valorie> well why not
[21:25] <dax> because it's creepy
[21:25] <dax> been about a month tho
[21:50] <valorie> can be creepy, yes


[15:04] <SergioMeneses> morning guys!
[15:04] <SergioMeneses> BobJonkman2, what happen with the Mock?
[20:37] <BobJonkman2> Hi SergioMeneses: I tried a different mic (microphone), but it seemed to cause problems
[20:38] <BobJonkman2> (I was participating in the Virtual Ubuntu Hour hosted by #ubuntu-us-oh the Ohio Team)
[20:38] <SergioMeneses> BobJonkman2, are you using an external mic?
[20:38] <BobJonkman2> I was using the internal mic in the laptop mostly. The external mic appeared to cause noise
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> that is rare... I usually have issues with my internal mic, no externals
[20:40] <BobJonkman2> It's likely there's an intermittent break in the wire, so that might have been the source of the noise
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> BobJonkman2, and what use the website?... flash, html5?
[20:47] <BobJonkman2> SergioMeneses: http://chatb.org uses HTML5 and the WebRTC protocol. jrgifford looked at the code, and says that most of the work is done with browser libraries
[20:50] <SergioMeneses> BobJonkman2, mmm... so I dont know what the problem is