[02:25] <bkerensa> Hey Guys... Gonna be afkish till tomorrow been busy this weekend.
[16:48] <c_smith> hyello! :D
[17:00] <nathwill> hi c_smith
[17:00] <c_smith> nathwill, have you seen the post on OMG! Ubuntu about Netflix?
[17:01] <nathwill> noooo
[17:01] <c_smith> there's a Linux client in the works that is set to be released in the next year or so. info is thanks to bkerensa.
[17:01] <nathwill> ha. courtesy of bkerensa
[17:01] <nathwill> nice
[17:01] <c_smith> yep
[17:02] <c_smith> this might be one thing I would use almost as much as games! XD
[17:04] <c_smith> hopefully it's before the 2012 catastrophy that I think is just people overreacting to the end of the Mayan calandar
[17:20] <bkerensa> c_smith: www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/native-netflix-client-coming-linux-in-12-months/
[17:20] <bkerensa> ;)
[17:20] <bkerensa> oh
[17:20] <bkerensa> it was already discussed
[17:21]  * bkerensa just noticed it
[17:21] <bkerensa> lol
[17:21] <bkerensa> well off to a meeting
[17:21] <c_smith> haha. nice, gl! :D
[19:48] <c_smith> bkerensa, is there a set date for the IRC meeting that was postponed?
[19:52] <bkerensa> c_smith: Not yet however I'm thinking it might be good just to roll it into this months since there were not any super important items I had and nobody sent me any agenda items
[19:52] <c_smith> okay, that works.
[19:52] <bkerensa> I'm hoping to have a solid weekend date for our release party soon though I have to make a call on wednesday
[19:52] <bkerensa> it will likely be a Saturday two weeks after the 13th
[19:53] <c_smith> cool, I'll be looking forward to that.
[19:53] <bkerensa> Notably.... I think we might livestream the release party
[19:53] <c_smith> that would be awesome.
[19:53] <c_smith> either way, I'm still going to try to make it up there.
[19:53] <bkerensa> Cool
[19:54] <c_smith> likely going to be using Kubuntu, though! ;)
[19:54] <bkerensa> c_smith: Also like I have said I encourage you and tgm4883 and a number of the other Salem Area people to maybe setup some Ubuntu Hours
[19:54] <bkerensa> You can also reach out to the Salem LUG people....
[19:55] <bkerensa> c_smith: I plan to be in Salem in November for a few days and was even thinking we could do a Ubuntu Hour and grab lunch if all pans out properly
[19:56] <c_smith> hmmmm, ok, I'll try to get that set up, but with the only transportation I have freely being the Cherriots buses, I'll have to see if I can get it to be on a weekday because the bus system doesn't run on weekends.
[19:57] <c_smith> the other modes of transportation I have are subject to change at any time, because I don't pay them, and I live with them
[19:57] <c_smith> but I prefer buses anyway! :P
[20:10] <Brian_H> bkerensa: so is the release party still during the week or did it get moved to sat/sun?
[20:11] <c_smith> bkerensa, if I were to have an Ubuntu Hour here in Salem every Wednesday (given I don't have plans which is unlikely) would that be a good day? like I said, Weekdays which I am not in school are best for me, and I ask this because this might be a problem for other member, it would likely be in the evening. I already have a coffee shop contacted for hanging out, it'd be another quick call if I needed to let them know this was happening
[20:11] <c_smith> holy great wall of text, batman! :P
[20:11] <bkerensa> Brian_H: It will be on a weekend likely the 22nd.... It wont be at PuppetLabs since they have people using their space but I'm hoping that I can finalize an arrangement with Backspace in Portland on Wednesday
[20:12] <Brian_H> sweet! I can come then :D
[20:12] <Brian_H> I'll put it on my calendar
[20:12] <c_smith> It's likely I could come then, too, but that's subject to change like anything else.
[20:12] <bkerensa> c_smith: If that works for you sure... Make an effort to kickstart some stuff in Salem and you can always tweak days and times to best suit the people who attend.
[20:13] <bkerensa> Oh and notably I'm sorry I was unable to do the meeting (I kinda had a date weekend with my fiancee from Friday till Sunday) in fact I rarely used the net or checked my e-mail ;)
[20:14] <c_smith> true, who could I contact to help kick off this? I may start this this coming Wednesday, but not sure/.
[20:14] <c_smith> heh, I remember getting that email, Mailing list ftw!
[20:14] <c_smith> good thing I have my Hotmail account forwarding to my Gmail.
[20:16] <c_smith> bkerensa, is there anyone I could contact to help give the Salem area Ubuntu hour?
[20:16] <bkerensa> c_smith: I would send a e-mail proposing your idea to the mailing list... and additionally "ethan" who pops in this channel from time to time is trying to revive Salem LUG (Linux Users Group)
[20:17] <c_smith> cool,
[20:17] <bkerensa> Notably, Ubuntu Hours are informal social events where local users of Ubuntu and other distros can get together and socialize and talk linux
[20:17] <bkerensa> :D
[20:17] <bkerensa> so you dont have to cater or anything
[20:17] <bkerensa> :D
[20:17] <bkerensa> you could likely even meet at a Library or something
[20:18] <c_smith> the Ubuntu Hour wiki page calls for a Piece of clothing with the Ubuntu logo, would that Oregon Global Jam shirt count?
[20:18] <bkerensa> indeed
[20:18] <c_smith> heh, not sure how the library would work, but I'll call them about this in a bit.
[20:18] <c_smith> cool,
[20:19] <bkerensa> We donated $0.50 on your behalf to:
[20:19] <bkerensa> Boys & Girls Club of America.
[20:19] <bkerensa> =o
[20:19] <c_smith> lol
[20:20] <c_smith> that's a good cause. but did they ask your permission?
[20:20] <bkerensa> c_smith: My server is getting epic traffic
[20:21] <c_smith> is that good or bad?
[20:21] <bkerensa> c_smith: I selected that charity... Its through the SurveyMonkey Contribute program
[20:21] <bkerensa> c_smith: Good
[20:21] <c_smith> ah, ok
[20:21] <bkerensa> c_smith: OMG Ubuntu, cNet, lilputting, iheartubuntu and TechRepublic
[20:21] <bkerensa> all sending me so much traffic
[20:21] <bkerensa> :D
[20:22] <c_smith> also, is Ethan subscribed to the Mailing List?
[20:22] <c_smith> I'd believe so, but not sure.
[20:23] <bkerensa> Yeah I think he is
[20:23] <c_smith> cool, I'll put the Salem LUG proposal in the same message to him.
[20:24] <c_smith> or should I make that a seperate message?
[20:24] <bkerensa> yeah same is fine
[20:24] <bkerensa> :D
[20:24] <bkerensa> Looks like Ubuntu Oregon is in the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter today too
[20:24] <bkerensa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue235
[20:24] <bkerensa> :D
[20:24] <c_smith> cool
[20:25] <c_smith> and that we're in the weekly newsletter is awesome! :D
[20:33] <bkerensa> Brian_H: My server is getting slammed
[20:33] <bkerensa> :D
[20:33] <bkerensa> 20 unique hits ever 5 mins or so
[20:33] <Brian_H> lol thats awesome
[20:33] <bkerensa> lots of traffic
[20:33] <bkerensa> When I initially did that blog post TechRepublic owned by ZDNet plugged me
[20:34] <bkerensa> I got like 35k hits in 2 days or something
[20:34] <bkerensa> =/
[20:34] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Do you listen to any podcasts?
[20:35] <Brian_H> havent recently; why do you have any pro ones for me ?  :)
[20:35] <bkerensa> LOL
[20:36] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Nah but I got a iPhone so I figured I might subscribe to one so I can have something to do when I'm on the bus
[20:36] <bkerensa> :D
[20:36] <bkerensa> News is getting kinda boring... Just a lot of bickering about the economy and congress :P
[20:39] <Brian_H> heck yea I can understand that
[20:39] <Brian_H> luckily my house isn't that far :)
[20:40] <Brian_H> and most the time I ride the bike, but that will probably come to an end seeing as the rain is coming :(
[20:40] <bkerensa> LOL
[20:40] <bkerensa> :D
[20:41] <bkerensa> Yeah... Rain is bad... For months last year the sidewalks out here were frosted to the point it was like ice skating
[20:42] <Brian_H> beats the 100+ ft of snow they got back home in Indiana though lol
[20:42] <Brian_H> er inches
[20:42] <Brian_H> lol
[20:42] <Brian_H> not ft
[20:42] <Brian_H> was reading something else and trying to type hahaa
[20:44] <bkerensa> LOL
[20:44] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Do you guys ever visit Indiana?
[20:44] <Brian_H> Yea I will be on 11/11  :)
[20:44] <Brian_H> for my infamous year parties
[20:44] <Brian_H> 11/11/11
[20:44] <Brian_H> the last one I had was 8/8/8
[20:44] <Brian_H> so its time
[20:45] <bkerensa> What part of Indiana are you from? I only know of Gary
[20:45] <Brian_H> east of Gary about 70 miles
[20:45] <Brian_H> South Bend, which is in the northern part of the state
[20:47] <bkerensa> Brian_H: What is Indiana known for? Wisconsin is cheese idk about Indiana
[20:47] <c_smith> Email has been sent.
[20:48] <Brian_H> notre dame, corn, soy beans, and being the arm pit of America
[20:48] <Brian_H> also part of the "rust belt"
[20:48] <c_smith> now I'm off to test something in the Kubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 Iso. so I'm out for a bit, not reinstalling, just testing something
[20:49] <Brian_H> Bethleham steel was there and when it went under so did a lot of nothern Indiana
[20:49] <Brian_H> Gary and South Bend used to be pretty nice places till the jobs went away
[20:49] <Brian_H> then it kinda all went to hell
[20:50] <Brian_H> The Studebaker plant was there
[20:50] <Brian_H> in SB
[21:48] <c_smith> and the test tells me what I need to know, the Amarok bug with Ipod Nano 5G is fixed in Ubuntu 11.10
[21:56] <c_smith> *Kubuntu 11.10 not Ubuntu


[12:36] <BenC> jbailey: there are already
[12:36] <BenC> linux-headers-2.6.15-6-386, for example
[12:39] <ispiked> mjg59: ping
[12:42] <mjg59> ispiked: Hi
[12:43] <ispiked> mjg59: I hate to bug you, but I'm wondering why fn+f1 doesn't put my laptop to sleep. the keycode appears to be registered, and I could've sworn this used to work.
[12:50] <mjg59> ispiked: What hardware?
[12:50] <ispiked> mjg59: the same as you.
[12:50] <ispiked> mjg59: dell d610.
[12:50] <mjg59> Have you got the latest acpi-support ?
[12:51] <ispiked> yeah. did that break it?
[12:51] <ispiked> I'm pretty sure I can suspend using logout > suspend with the latest acpi-support package.
[12:52] <ispiked> I'm headed out now. be back later.
[12:53] <mjg59> Hm. Not sure, then.
[01:28] <mjg59> BenC: So, is the idea to switch to the libata PATA drivers where possible?
[04:23] <ispiked> mjg59: where is that button's action configured?
[04:23] <mjg59> ispiked: /etc/acpi/events
[04:25] <ispiked> mjg59: same deal with the logout action?
[04:25] <ispiked> http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcTK1z80.html
[04:25] <mjg59> ispiked: Uhm. Which logout action?
[04:26] <ispiked> "suspend the computer"
[04:26] <mjg59> Oh, the Gnome one? No, that triggers gdm to execute pmi
[04:27] <ispiked> mjg59: what is that?
[04:27] <mjg59> It's a script that ends up executing /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, so it's broadly the same
[04:34] <ispiked> it'd be nice if scroll lock would work (with the light, too).
[04:34] <ispiked> might file a bug for that.
[05:18] <mjg59> BenC: ata_piix + added PCI ID drives my Thinkpad fine
[06:06] <fabbione> morning
[08:21] <infinity> mjg59 : Who do I complain to that my 'screen close' button no longer triggers a screen lock?
[09:16] <dhpeterson> hi ... breezy install fails for me ... it's a uhci_hcd issue ... can anyone here help?
[09:16] <dhpeterson> i have checked ubuntu bugzilla and debian BTS and it's not a dupe
[09:16] <dhpeterson> i want to raise a bug report but i don't know which package and where to do so, etc
[09:27] <crimsun> file it on bugzilla.ubuntu.com against 'linux'
[09:27] <dhpeterson> okay
[09:27] <dhpeterson> what severity ... both hoary and breezy installers don't complete. is that a critical?
[09:27] <dhpeterson> btw same for the debian sarge installer
[09:28] <dhpeterson> interestingly, knoppix 2.6 _does_ boot successfully
[09:28] <infinity> Does our livecd boot?
[09:29] <dhpeterson> neither live nor install works
[09:29] <infinity> Saying "a livecd boots" and "the installer fails" don't relate much.
[09:29] <dhpeterson> live cd and install cd fail in the same place
[09:29] <infinity> Okay, if the livecd doesn't work either, then please, file a bug, lots of fun debug output, blah blah.
[09:29] <dhpeterson> sorry if i was ambiguous
[09:29] <infinity> Severity is normal.
[09:30] <dhpeterson> okay i will prepare a bug report, thanks
[10:25] <fabbione> BenC:
[10:25] <fabbione> [ 1067.366233]  bcm43xx: Invalid PHY Revision 7
[10:25] <fabbione> [ 1199.264579]  bcm43xx: FIXME: Possibly broken code in bcm43xx_phy_setupg() at drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx_phy.c:346
[10:25] <fabbione> the driver loads and the board is initialized
[10:25] <fabbione> but i can't get it to associate with my AP
[10:26] <fabbione> i think i am getting that error when trying to force to use 11M
[10:27] <fabbione> it's probably the model that's not fully supported for my understanding of the code
[02:04] <jbailey> fabbione, BenC: Next time one of you are twiddling the kernel configs, CONFIG_CRAMFS=y can probably go away now.
[02:05] <jbailey> Need to double check with Colin, but I don't think d-i uses it at all.
[02:10] <BenC> ok
[02:11] <fabbione> hey BenC
[02:11] <fabbione> i was just talking with Kamion
[02:11] <fabbione> i did fix a couple of kernel d-i things for him
[02:11] <fabbione> mind to pull from my repo?
[02:12] <BenC> doing that now
[02:12] <fabbione> thanks
[02:14] <fabbione> hmmm
[02:14] <fabbione> if you have time it would be a good idea to fire up a full build on sparc
[02:14] <fabbione> mine is chaoking on OOo2, gcc-3.4 and gcj-4.1
[02:14] <fabbione> these d-i changes are always hairy without a build
[02:14] <fabbione> the other arches are ok
[02:15] <BenC> I do full builds on all 6 arches before release
[02:16] <fabbione> ah cool
[02:16] <fabbione> even better
[02:16] <BenC> sparc64 is done in 12 minutes, so it's easiest :)
[02:16] <fabbione> BenC: i was wondering.. can i get access to your sparc somehow that doesn't distrurb you?
[02:16] <fabbione> disturb
[02:16] <BenC> yeah, I can try setting that up today
[02:16] <fabbione> since you use the box for testing
[02:17] <fabbione> i could just use it while you sleep to push some big pkgs to a fine tuned buildd there
[02:17] <fabbione> and skip stuff like gcc-* here
[02:17] <fabbione> i will send you my ssh key
[02:17] <fabbione> no need to run TODAY
[02:17] <fabbione> sometimes, when you have time
[02:18] <BenC> sure thing, I'll setup dchroot for you and sudo access inside that chroot
[02:18] <fabbione> nah
[02:18] <fabbione> i will send you a chroot :)
[02:18] <BenC> ok, just send a url, and I'll unpack the chroot :)
[02:20] <fabbione> BenC: sure.. i just need to pack it first ;)
[02:21] <BenC> don't forget your rootkit :)
[02:21] <fabbione> of course :)
[02:22] <fabbione> it's funny when people tell us: "no you can't get access to my machine to debug this kernel problem.."
[02:22] <fabbione> they really make me laugh
[02:22] <fabbione> they don't realize we do actually build that kernel for them :)
[02:22] <fabbione> we have kernel privileges!
[02:22] <fabbione> and they don't see it :P
[02:23] <BenC> yeah, lol
[02:24] <BenC> "if I wanted your machine, it'd already be DoS'ing the whitehouse by now"
[02:25] <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabioMassimoDiNitto <-
[02:25] <fabbione> that was like: zul meets fabbione, fabbione meets zul
[02:43] <zul> hey sorry i havent been around.
[02:43] <fabbione> BenC: chinstrap:/home/fabbione/sparc-chroot-dapper.tar.bz2
[02:43] <fabbione> BenC: and i am off for a nap :)
[02:43] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:44] <fabbione> later fellas
[02:44] <crimsun> cya fabbione
[02:46] <BenC> bye fabbione
[02:46] <zul> hey fabbione, bye fabbione
[02:56] <mjg59> infinity: Oh, yeah, that one's my fault
[03:13] <mjg59> BenC: About?
[03:13] <BenC> yeah
[03:14] <BenC> mjg59: pong
[03:15] <mjg59> BenC: What's the long-term plan with all these libata PATA drivers?
[03:15] <BenC> see how they go, and if they start breaking shit, back them out
[03:15] <BenC> unless I can fix them (or jgarzik can help me)
[03:16] <mjg59> The obvious breakage is that drives will move from hda to sda
[03:16] <BenC> I don't think he's keen on me using them in the dist
[03:16] <BenC> hmm
[03:16] <mjg59> On the other hand, it means we can do hotswap properly
[03:16] <BenC> upgrades will get messy though
[03:17] <BenC> maybe I can default the combined_mode to IDE
[03:17] <BenC> until lately I hadn't realized how much of a mess things were between ide and ata/sata/pata
[03:21] <BenC> what do you suggest?
[03:22] <jbailey> mjg59: re: s/hda/sda/ - I wonder if there's any reasonable way to move systems to by-uuid for booting and mounting?
[03:23] <BenC> I've always liked that method
[03:23] <jbailey> Part of udevroadmap is to do that for new installs in d-i anyway, so it's just transitioning people to the New World Order.
[03:23] <BenC> same thing with iftab for network interfaces
[03:23] <jbailey> I don't know iftab
[03:23] <mjg59> BenC: The libata drivers are pretty untested, but /ought/ to work
[03:23] <BenC> iftab gives network interfaces their names based on mac address
[03:23] <mjg59> But when we upload a kernel with them in, there's going to be breakage
[03:24] <BenC> I think I'll disable them for now, until we get this sorted out
[03:51] <infinity> mjg59 : Is this new behaviour intentional, or a bug? :)
[03:51] <infinity> mjg59 : (I've always used my "screen close" button as a quick shortcut to "I'm walking away from the laptop for 5 minutes, lock the screen")
[03:53] <mjg59> infinity: bug
[03:53] <mjg59> I fucked up the environment variable check
[04:50] <jbailey_> BenC: Just had my X hang on ppc64 again.  Interesting that this time a kill -9 of Xorg doesn't make it go away.
[04:50] <jbailey_> BenC: Anything I can usefully collect for you for a bug report before I hit the shiny switch?
[04:50] <BenC> check dmesg
[04:51] <BenC> and "cat /proc/<pid>/wchan" if the X pid
[04:51] <jbailey_> no oops in dmesg
[04:51] <BenC> I have a feeling you are hitting a drm issue
[04:51] <jbailey_> I did the cat a dozen times, each in .__start
[04:52] <BenC> hmm, that's an odd place
[04:52] <BenC> is the process in D state this time?
[04:52] <jbailey_>  5603 root      25   0     0    0    0 R  100  0.0  11:06.14 Xorg
[04:52] <jbailey_> (from top)
[04:52] <jbailey_> It was taking up a bunch of ram before I kill -9'd it.
[04:52] <BenC> is that 100% CPU usage?
[04:53] <jbailey_> Yes.
[04:53] <BenC> all the memory usage is gone, and it's hanging
[04:53] <BenC> that's an odd one :)
[04:53] <jbailey_> Shall I strace it?
[04:53] <BenC> yeah
[04:53] <jbailey_> # strace -p 5603
[04:53] <jbailey_> attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted
[04:54] <jbailey_> Should I try the ppc32 kernel to see if it recurs there?
[05:19] <BenC> infinity: ping
[05:39] <infinity> pong... ish.
[05:39] <infinity> 3:30am and heading to bed.
[05:39] <infinity> So, uhh.... make it quick. :)
[05:47] <infinity> BenC : Alright, whatever you were pinging for, you missed your chance.  ail me, or catch me tomorrow.
[05:47] <BenC> hey
[05:48] <BenC> sorry
[05:48] <dilinger> will dapper kernels work on breezy?
[05:48] <infinity> Oh.  You are here.
[05:48] <dilinger> i'm gonna try getting this smp opteron box stable w/ some 2.6.15 love
[05:48] <infinity> On breezy servers or desktops?
[05:48] <BenC> infinity: next time prepend "BenC" to the pong so I actually get an audio feedback :)
[05:48] <infinity> udev will probably blow up on desktops.
[05:48] <dilinger> infinity: both
[05:48] <dilinger> infinity: so i'd just need to backport udev?
[05:48] <BenC> dilinger: you'll have to sync a few packages to dapper aswell
[05:49] <BenC> mainly udev, and ditch hotplug
[05:49] <infinity> BenC : Well?.. :)
[05:49] <dilinger> ok
[05:49] <dilinger> thanks
[05:49] <dilinger> i'll give it a shot on my laptop, first
[05:49] <dilinger> and once i'm locked out of a usable system, i'll try the opteron server ;)
[05:49] <BenC> infinity: should/could I add server-{low,high}end to lrm?
[05:50] <infinity> Hrm.
[05:50] <infinity> Are we building wireless drivers for -server targets?
[05:50] <BenC> dilinger: you should be able to add dapper to sources.list, and install the kernel, and then remove it
[05:51] <BenC> infinity: right now, -server is just a tuned version of the normal targets (HZ, disable-preempt)
[05:51] <BenC> same hw support
[05:51] <infinity> I assume that might change?
[05:51] <infinity> For now, I wouldn't bother.    Let's discuss it tomorrow.
[05:53] <infinity> If you're doing an LRM/linux-meta ABI bump tonight, just leave restricted out of the server stuff in linux-meta for now.
[05:53] <infinity> We'll sort it later when we're sure what we want.
[05:54] <BenC> ok
[05:54] <fabbione> ehhehe
[05:54] <fabbione> cool
[05:54] <fabbione> new crack :)
[05:54] <fabbione> BenC: btw.. it's GO on ppc.. or at least it was last pull i did
[05:54] <fabbione> dunno if you read the scrollback
[05:54] <fabbione> i did also test the Airport Extreme2 driver
[05:54] <fabbione> but it fails on me
[05:55] <BenC> mjg59 got it working
[05:55] <mdz_> BenC: are you getting any feedback on CD-ROM/DMA issues since we switched to 2.6.15?
[05:55] <BenC> you have to do some manual shit
[05:55] <mjg59> fabbione: I had to do:
[05:55] <BenC> mdz: zero
[05:55] <mdz_> interesting
[05:55] <BenC> only thing I've heard about cdrom was the atapi stuff with sata controllers
[05:55] <BenC> and that was a seperate issue
[05:56] <mdz_> I thought we'd fixed that long ago
[05:56] <mjg59> iwconfig foo essid bar; iwconfig foo channel baz; ifconfig foo up; iwlist scan; iwconfig foo essid bang
[05:56] <infinity> BenC : Keybuk fed you a patch for ide stuff that fixed mdz's DMA issues, no?
[05:56] <BenC> infinity: yes
[05:56] <infinity> (And the CDROM on sata thing should be fixed in this upload too, right?)
[05:56] <mdz_> BenC: is that in -7.9?
[05:56] <fabbione> mjg59: trying now.. but i have no idea what chan i am using
[05:56] <BenC> it wasn't dma directly, it was ide-generic/modular-ide crack
[05:56] <fabbione> mjg59: how can i figure that out?
[05:57] <mdz_> BenC: is modular ide a bad idea?  why isn't it upstream?
[05:57] <fabbione> mdz_: IDE maintainer is a pain
[05:57] <infinity> BenC : For LRM's ABI bump, you should be able to just bump "abi_version" in debian/rules, add a new changelog entry, and build the source package.  (make sure you have kernel-wedge installed)
[05:57] <infinity> BenC : Should be smooth sailing.
[05:57] <BenC> breezy's ide was that it loaded all the ide controller drivers, and then ide-generic, and let them fight it out, then removed any that didn't win
[05:57] <BenC> that doesn't work for dapper
[05:58] <BenC> infinity: yeah, I have it ready to upload once I see a success report for atleast one arch :)
[05:58] <infinity> BenC : Rock.
[05:58] <infinity> Kay, I'm off to bed, then.  We'll revisit the LRM-on-server-kernels thing later.
[05:58] <BenC> mdz: the way breezy handled drivers grabbing devices was bad
[05:58] <mdz_> mjg59: my T42 with 2.6.15-6 failed to come back from STR today
[05:59] <BenC> dapper will low the correct drivers instead of doing a free-for-all
[05:59] <BenC> s/low/load/
[05:59] <mjg59> mdz_: When suspended, did it have the hard drive LED on?
[05:59] <mdz_> (previously /sys/power/state was empty, but that's fixed now)
[05:59] <mdz_> mjg59: it wasn't on when I tried to resume at least
[05:59] <BenC> if anything doesn't get loaded, or is loaded incorrectly, Keybuk assures me he will correct it in initramfs :)
[06:00] <mdz_> the moon light was on, though the fan was still running
[06:00] <mjg59> mdz_: If the fan was still running, it hadn't suspended
[06:00] <mdz_> or maybe it was just radiating heat
[06:00] <mdz_> anyway it was hot
[06:00] <mjg59> Right
[06:00] <mjg59> Sounds like it froze on the way down
[06:00] <mjg59> I've had my Thinkpad do something like that. I'll look into it.
[06:00] <mdz_> any testing I can do?
[06:01] <fabbione> mjg59: do you get this in your dmesg: [26120.102096]  bcm43xx: FIXME: Possibly broken code in bcm43xx_phy_setupg() at drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx_phy.c:346
[06:01] <BenC> mdz: btw, I don't think we are going to do kernel-wedge and kernel-package merging for dapper
[06:01] <mjg59> See if it's reproducible?
[06:01] <mjg59> fabbione: Yeah
[06:01] <fabbione> mjg59: hmmmm
[06:01] <mdz_> BenC: something scary there?
[06:01] <fabbione> what channel should i use?
[06:01] <BenC> things work for us now, and kernel-package 10 in debian is way way way different
[06:01] <mjg59> fabbione: Whatever channel your AP is on
[06:01] <fabbione> mjg59: i have no clue...
[06:01] <BenC> we have patches in wedge and package for powerpc stuff, and custom update-initramfs usage
[06:02] <mjg59> fabbione: iwlist scan should tell you
[06:02] <BenC> mdz: it's not impossible to merge those into the new packages, just that there's no pressing need to do so, that I can see
[06:02] <mdz_> BenC: bugfixes?
[06:02] <mdz_> that's the usual reason
[06:03] <BenC> most of the bugs fixes between our version and 10 in debian, is fixing things that broke when they split the debian/rules file up
[06:05] <BenC> mdz: -7.9 has -server kernels for i386, btw
[06:05] <mdz_> BenC: so it'll need queue/new processing on i386?
[06:05] <BenC> yes
[06:06] <BenC> it's an abi bump anyway
[06:06] <mdz_> ah, right
[06:06] <mdz_> BenC: what's new and cool in the server flavour?
[06:06] <makx> Keybuk: could you take a look at debian #342057, BusLogic not loaded because !sysfs (seems needed for vmware testing of initramfs-tools).
[06:06] <BenC> abi tracking will start with this upload too
[06:06] <BenC> mdz: HZ is down to 100 (suggested for server), and preempt is disables (enabled for desktop)
[06:06] <BenC> that's for low/high end server
[06:07] <BenC> highend also has generic bigsmp/numa/summit/es7000 support
[06:07] <BenC> 64CPU max, and 64Gig max
[06:08] <mdz_> BenC: sounds like material for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes
[06:08] <mdz_> BenC: please add an entry there under the server section
[06:08] <BenC> ok
[06:09] <fabbione> mdz_: the -server kernels will land only on the -server CD
[06:09] <fabbione> we will install by default the low end, with high end available
[06:10] <BenC> would be nice if we could detect highend
[06:12] <fabbione> mjg59: do you have a 54M net at home?
[06:12] <mjg59> fabbione: No
[06:12] <fabbione> did you force the speed?
[06:12] <mjg59> Yup
[06:12] <mjg59> Sorry, forgot to mention that
[06:12] <fabbione> ;)
[06:12] <mjg59> It doesn't do speed autonegotiation properly yet
[06:12] <fabbione> where in that process?
[06:12] <fabbione> or just after
[06:13] <fabbione> my ap doesn't feel the mac at all
[06:14] <fabbione> actually
[06:14] <fabbione> did you use dhcp on top?
[06:14] <fabbione> or just static
[06:16] <mjg59> Either
[06:16] <mjg59> dmesg should show that it's authenticated if it's been successful
[06:16] <BenC> mdz: added
[06:17] <fabbione> [  450.499743]  SoftMAC: Sending Authentication Request to 00:04:e2:d9:0a:dc.
[06:17] <fabbione> it doesn't when i am in 11MB
[06:17] <mjg59> fabbione: I think it ought to get a response, too
[06:17] <fabbione> that's my neibourgh AP
[06:17] <mjg59> 802.11g speeds currently don't work
[06:17] <fabbione> that's at 54MB
[06:17] <mjg59> Set it to 11 and then set the essid again?
[06:17] <fabbione> o
[06:17] <BenC> maybe the AP is configured for g-only?
[06:19] <fabbione> nope
[06:19] <fabbione> i don't see any outgoing request to/from my AP
[06:19] <fabbione> not even in dmesg
[06:19] <fabbione> BenC: my ap is 11 only
[06:19] <fabbione> it definetely can't do more than that
[06:19] <BenC> ah
[06:19] <mjg59> fabbione: Does iwconfig show the correct essid and frequency?
[06:19] <fabbione> i was trying my neighbour only becuase it's 54MB :)
[06:20] <fabbione> i can see the frequency keep changing
[06:20] <fabbione> otherwise the essid is fine
[06:20] <mjg59> Uhm.
[06:20] <fabbione> i wonder if the fact that i am not broadcasting the essid might confuse the driver
[06:20] <mjg59> Have you explicitly set the channel?
[06:20] <fabbione> yes
[06:20] <mjg59> Yes, that might currently break it, I guess
[06:22] <fabbione> *cough*fuck cisco*cough*
[06:25] <fabbione> i can't even find how to do it again
[06:40] <fabbione> woo
[06:41] <fabbione> mjg59: i got the AP to see the interface and viceversa
[06:41] <mjg59> Any joy?
[06:41] <fabbione> but no IP joy
[06:41] <mjg59> Cool
[06:41] <fabbione> [  557.190722]  SoftMAC: Sending Authentication Request to 00:02:8a:21:18:59.
[06:41] <mjg59> Try configuring it manually rather than using dhcp?
[06:41] <fabbione> yes
[06:41] <fabbione> that's what i am doing right now
[06:43] <fabbione> no joy either
[06:43] <fabbione> it complains about authentication
[06:43] <fabbione> but i have no authentication config on my AP
[06:43] <fabbione> only filters by mac-address
[06:43] <BenC> so it's open, no wep/wap?
[06:45] <fabbione> nope
[06:47] <fabbione> if i run iwscan list a few times in a raw i see the AP at intervals..
[06:47] <fabbione> but that might be normal
[06:48] <mjg59> How does it complain?
[06:51] <makx> BenC: getting bugreports on debian initramfs-tools of !sysfs drivers that are fixed in your tree?
[06:51] <fabbione> SoftMAC: Rates not sorted!
[06:52] <fabbione> SoftMAC: Authentication timed out with 00:02:8a:21:18:59
[06:52] <makx> BenC: could you push those to linus, are they already in mm?
[06:52] <BenC> makx: uh, say that again? :)
[06:52] <BenC> I'm not sure what you mean
[06:53] <makx> buslogic has sysfs support in your tree for example. :)
[06:53] <fabbione> mjg59: i will fight with it tomorrow again.. gotta cook dinner
[06:53] <BenC> s/sysfs/module-device-table/ you mean?
[06:53] <makx> indeed magic keyword.
[06:54] <BenC> it's not proper support, it's just a hack to get udev/hotplug to load the driver
[06:54] <BenC> for linus to take it, the driver(s) would also need to be converted over to the PCI callbacks for hotplug support
[06:55] <BenC> right now they only probe when loaded, if you insert a new device, the module has to be unloaded/loaded again to probe it
[06:55] <BenC> these are the same things we had in breezy
[06:55] <jbailey> BenC: Is he being all prissy now about correctness?  Sheesh. ;)
[06:56] <BenC> it's a convenience, but IMO, it's lying to have a module-device-table and not be able to support the hotplug callbacks for which is was designed for :)
[06:57] <BenC> makx: what are the chances that debian would want to clone ubuntu's git tree, and sync non debian/* changes?
[06:58] <BenC> the major thing would be some of the non-free stuff that debian would want to ignore (and purge from it's branch)
[07:04] <dilinger> BenC: i assume the git tree includes all the external drivers and patches?
[07:04] <dilinger> debian doesn't really want to maintain that stuff, they'd only be interested in bugfixes
[07:14] <CataEnry> Hi
[07:18] <fabbione> BenC: you didn't pull the last changes to d-i?
[07:23] <fabbione> they are not in the changelog
[07:29] <fabbione> BenC: if you can do that Kamion will love you
[07:29] <fabbione> perhpas fire up a 7.10 right away?
[07:29] <fabbione> bbl
[07:29] <BenC> I did a pull and saw two changes from you in git-log
[07:29] <fabbione> yes
[07:30] <fabbione> but the changelog in the archive doesn't have them
[07:30] <fabbione>   * Stop providing ext2-modules and ship it for all arches.
[07:30] <BenC> not sure why, did you commit it?
[07:30] <fabbione> it's missing
[07:30] <fabbione> oh crap
[07:30] <BenC> ext2-modules is not listed in debian/control, so I assume all is well
[07:31] <fabbione> i didn't commit the changelog
[07:31] <BenC> heh, shame on you :)
[07:31] <fabbione> if you check debian/d-i/i386/package-list
[07:32] <fabbione> # This file is used to build up the control file. The kernel version and
[07:32] <fabbione> # "-di" are appended to the package names. Section can be left out. So can
[07:32] <fabbione> # architecture, which is derived from the files in the modules directory.
[07:32] <fabbione> # It overwrites specifications from /usr/share/kernel-wedge/package-list.
[07:32] <fabbione> #
[07:32] <fabbione> Package: kernel-image
[07:32] <fabbione> Package: fat-modules
[07:32] <fabbione> Priority: standard
[07:32] <fabbione> it should look like that
[07:33] <BenC> yeah, it does
[07:33] <fabbione> ok
[07:33] <fabbione> do you have d-i/sparc/modules/sparc64/ext2-modules ?
[07:33] <BenC> yep
[07:34] <fabbione> great
[07:34] <fabbione> than it's missing only the changelog entry
[07:34] <fabbione> thanks dude
[07:34] <fabbione> sorry for the panix
[07:34] <fabbione> panic
[07:35] <BenC> no problem :)
[07:36] <fabbione> i did add the changelog entry and committed it for the sake of completness
[07:36] <fabbione> it should be in my archive if you want to pull it
[07:36] <fabbione> and i must run to cook now :)
[07:36] <fabbione> later
[07:37] <BenC> later
[11:14] <makx> BenC: zero.
[11:14] <dilinger> heh
[11:14] <makx> you tree went in completly different direction.
[11:14] <dilinger> unless ubuntu kept feature additions in a separate tree..
[11:16] <mdke> hi all. my laptop doesn't get very far into the boot process due to (i think) the hard drive getting a new device name under the new dapper system, I wondered if anyone fancied some debugging with me?
[11:17] <makx> hmm what's your root on?
[11:17] <mdke> it is on /dev/sda7
[11:17] <mdke> or rather, it was
[11:17] <mdke> i rather think that now it is on /dev/hda7
[11:17] <makx> timing trouble with udev picking up ide-generic before your sata driver.
[11:17] <makx> do you have latest udev installed?
[11:18] <mdke> updated yesterday
[11:18] <makx> what does dpkg -l udev show?
[11:18] <mdke> today I can't get close enough to boot
[11:18] <makx> you don't have an old kernel to boot into???
[11:18] <mdke> oh yeah i could do that
[11:18] <mdke> brb
[11:20] <makx> if your initramfs got update too you need to pass some boot param to break at some point.
[11:20] <makx> and then there is some manual stuff to load your right driver and kick off init.
[11:25] <mdke> makx, ok i can boot with the old kernel, but I had to reboot back into breezy again cos the network card isn't working
[11:25] <mdke> most of the initscripts didn't seem to start
[11:25] <mdke> anyhow, it is version 076 of udev
[11:26] <mdke> weird because I could boot yesterday, with the new kernel
[11:26] <makx> which revision
[11:26] <mdke> ubuntu5
[11:26] <mdke> is that right?
[11:26] <makx> should be
[11:26] <mdke> oh well, no worky
[11:27] <makx> fabbione on #ubuntu-boot had the same trouble as you.
[11:27] <mdke> maybe we have similar laptops
[11:27] <mdke> fabbione, did you resolve?
[11:28] <mdke> this hard drive is weird, it is sda for warty, hda for hoary, and sda again for breezy :)
[11:28] <makx> well hda for hoary is because of the old kernel.
[11:29] <mdke> makx, ok so any ideas? shall i just file a bug?
[11:29] <makx> ooh changed from warty to hoary, then no idea..
[11:29] <makx> well i'm debian initramfs-tools maintainer i could you get booted, but i've some work atm
[11:29] <mdke> i don't need to boot, but i'd like it to get fixed
[11:30] <mdke> so I'll file a bug
[11:30] <makx> then check if there is not already a bug around against udev/initramfs-tools?
[11:30] <makx> and add your lspci output info.
[11:31] <mdke> will do
[11:31] <mdke> will lspci from breezy be ok?
[11:31] <makx> yes.
[11:31] <mdke> makx, thanks for your help
[11:32] <makx> mdke: np, Keybuk on #ubuntu-boot is your udev dude.
[11:32] <mdke> yeah i will bother him
[11:33] <makx> he is not around atm.
[11:33] <mdke> no he isn't
[11:33] <mdke> he'll get my bug :)
[11:38] <lamont> BenC: elilo tested and working
[11:38] <BenC> with initramfs?
[11:39] <lamont> not yet
[11:39] <BenC> well good that you could get it to work, because I was not having any luck even with initrd :)
[11:40] <lamont> BenC: http://people.debian.org/~lamont/elilo.efi
[11:40] <lamont> drop that in your efi directory and see how things go
[11:41] <lamont> mind you, you may want to rename the existing one to something else first,
[11:41] <lamont> so you can rename it back from efi-shell to get a working system afterwards... :)


 Want a new Ubuntu
[07:10] <magespawn> got to go out, chat later all
[07:49] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[08:01] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:02] <inetpro> reminder: Ubuntu Online Summit starting at 16:00 today
[09:17] <pieter2627> mazal: Want a new Ubuntu?
[09:20] <mazal> pieter2627: Yes , the next LTS
[09:20] <mazal> I only use LTS
[09:21] <pieter2627> oh, that sounds like a boring wait :)
[10:25] <ShadowComplex> hi hi
[10:44] <pieter2627> hi ShadowComplex
[13:04] <Kilos> afternoon superfly thatgraemeguy Cryterion inetpro ShadowComplex and others
[13:09] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[13:13] <inetpro> .
[13:31] <superfly> hi Kilos
[13:32] <pieter2627> hallo oom Kilos
[13:40] <Kilos> dag se pietertjie
[13:49] <pieter2627> hoe gaan dit met oom
[13:49] <pieter2627> *?
[13:53] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:00] <Kilos> goed dankie en self seun
[14:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[14:01] <Kilos> im going soon to have papers notarised so will bbl
[14:10] <magespawn> cool
[14:10] <magespawn> anybody know of a command/program that will display a clock in the terminal
[14:10] <magespawn> ?
[14:15] <magespawn> this is a pretty cool 404 https://github.com/wekan/wekan/issues/380
[14:19] <Kilos> aw tomorrow
[14:20] <Kilos>  bad when one has to plan trips according to petrol price fluctuation
[14:26] <magespawn> is there a petrol price decrease?
[14:28] <Kilos> decrease tonight
[14:28] <magespawn> okay then
[14:28] <Kilos> havent seen how much yet
[14:37] <Kilos> sis says radio said 26c a litre
[14:41] <magespawn> okay, not too much, but every little bit helps
[14:41] <Kilos> yip
[14:42] <magespawn> chat later just going home
[14:42] <Kilos> go well
[15:18] <pieter2627> goed dankie Kilos
[15:18]  * pieter2627 hopes to be back later
[16:22] <Kilos> snow on the berg and lesotho in november
[18:31] <Kilos> haha superfly whats with all the monkeying around
[18:31] <superfly> Kilos: I don't monkey around. They around me.
[18:31] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <Kilos> i enjoy your pics and comments ty
[18:45] <magespawn> good evening
[18:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:49] <Kilos> you arrive when im getting ready for bed
[18:50] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:21] <magespawn> ahh i one of those night


[01:04] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb: daker_: the new loco-directory went live this evening
[02:34] <cjohnston> mhall119: update is on a cron correct?
[02:35] <mhall119> yes
[02:35] <cjohnston> why can't is run init-ld
[02:35] <mhall119> because init-ld is for starting a new project space
[02:36] <cjohnston> so we need an update-ld
[02:36] <mhall119> possibly
[02:36] <mhall119> I gotta fix bzr_apps though
[02:36] <cjohnston> well.. otherwise they would have to update bzr_apps, and then run pullapps to update everything else
[02:37] <cjohnston> whats broken
[02:37] <cjohnston> the whoami thing?
[02:37] <mhall119> the ssh thing
[02:37] <mhall119> or something
[02:37] <mhall119> I'm not entirely sure
[02:38] <mhall119> all I know is that manage.py pullapps shoudn't make an ssh connection to launchpad to get the apps
[02:38] <mhall119> s/shouldn't/couldn't/
[02:38] <cjohnston> hmm
[02:59] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-directory/label-tag/+merge/66537
[02:59] <mhall119> approved
[03:00] <mhall119> needs a commit message for tarmac though
[03:00] <cjohnston> its there
[03:00] <cjohnston> what do you think of https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-directory/contact/+merge/66404
[03:01] <mhall119> I like it, but that I'll need to merge and test
[03:01] <cjohnston> ya.. thats fine
[03:02] <mhall119> I might write some test cases for it too, if I feel really motivated
[03:02] <cjohnston> lol
[03:02] <mhall119> or inspired
[03:02] <cjohnston> if i feel really motivated or inspired i might let you teach me how
[03:03] <cjohnston> mhall119: take care of https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-directory/801984/+merge/66312 too :-P maybe a few test cases for it
[03:05] <cjohnston> off to bed
[03:05] <cjohnston> g'nite
[03:05] <cjohnston> im quite happy that was released today
[06:35] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:37] <YoBoY> arg, I broken my team on the LD ^^" tried to select a subteam as team admins to see what appen, and I loose the rights to edit the team details now :O someone can correct this ?
[06:37] <YoBoY> dangerous possibility by the way...
[08:25] <YoBoY> cjohnston: hi, this is what I have in mind for the "find your team" page (actual team list page objective) http://yoboy.fr/images/teamlist-proposal.png
[09:23] <head_victim> I realise this probably isn't the place but would anyone be able to suggest where I could report an issue with mailing lists on lists.ubuntu.com? I'm seeing lots of issues with gmail users sending mail to the lists coming up as a false positive for "posisble phishing scam" that doesn't happen if the mail is sent directly.
[10:32] <daker> Oh! a new version ツ Congrats
[12:07] <AlanBell> for me in the loco directory the text at the top (above the orange header) doesn't seem to be picking up all the styles in chromium that it does in firefox
[12:11] <AlanBell> and I am messing about with a second level map concept based on SVG maps from wikimedia commons http://libertus.co.uk:8000/europe/
[13:28] <cjohnston> head_victim: -sysadmin or an rt
[13:28] <cjohnston> I guess that one is actually #canonical-sysadmin
[13:29] <cjohnston> AlanBell: there was initially an issue with that part.. could you clear your cache and see if the issue still continues
[13:29] <cjohnston> nigelb: mhall119 is it just me or did twidenash used to be newest on top, and not its newest on bottom?
[13:54] <cjohnston> AlanBell: language groups being grouping by language or locale teams?
[14:03] <YoBoY> thanks ... cjohnston ? :)
[14:03] <cjohnston> ?
[14:04] <YoBoY> for correcting my error on my team, that was not you ?
[14:04] <cjohnston> what error
[14:04] <YoBoY> <YoBoY> arg, I broken my team on the LD ^^" tried to select a subteam as team admins to see what appen, and I loose the rights to edit the team details now :O someone can correct this ?
[14:04] <YoBoY> <YoBoY> dangerous possibility by the way...
[14:05] <cjohnston> nope.. i dont think i did this
[14:05] <cjohnston> we dont allow selecting a team
[14:05] <cjohnston> the team is imported from LP and broken down into users
[14:05] <YoBoY> hum... strange...
[14:05] <cjohnston> so it probably at the next update did that
[14:07] <cjohnston> YoBoY: im suspecting bug #792475 actually fixed yours
[14:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 792475 in loco-directory "Team admins getting reset (daily?) (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792475
[14:08] <YoBoY> ho perhaps :)
[14:08] <YoBoY> I was not aware of that bug
[14:08] <YoBoY> I can try to do it again, the subteam is selectable and I can register
[14:09] <cjohnston> dont use a subteam
[14:09] <cjohnston> that isnt what we want
[14:09] <cjohnston> we want people
[14:10] <cjohnston> we made code to break a team into people
[14:10] <YoBoY> yes I know that, this was just a test to see what appen, if the team is selected or if the application grab all the members inside the team
[14:10] <cjohnston> ahh..
[14:11] <cjohnston> i dont know if we would be able to tell...but based on that bug which says that it resets when the update cron runs, I'd guess that the update cron sees that its a team and then triggers the code that breaks apart a team
[14:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: ^^ thoughts/
[14:12] <cjohnston> nigelb: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-directory/label-tag/+merge/66537   ?
[14:12] <cjohnston> does it *have* to have an "approved comment too?
[14:17] <AlanBell> cjohnston: well it would allow for a "languages" page for all the teams that specialise in a language, whether they are a location based team or otherwise
[14:17] <AlanBell> and countries could suggest multiple teams in the popups
[14:17] <AlanBell> so belgium popup might contain -be -fr and -nl
[14:18] <cjohnston> we dont have plans for supporting locale teams.. only local teams..
[14:18] <AlanBell> ok, so don't do that then
[14:19] <AlanBell> there are oddities already like esperanto being in russia
[14:19] <cjohnston> esperanto is a language team no?
[14:19] <AlanBell> yes, and currently on loco.ubuntu.com in russia
[14:20] <cjohnston> iirc we got it removed from ~locoteams
[14:20] <AlanBell> Esperanto-komunumo de Ubuntu
[14:20] <cjohnston> nope
[14:20] <YoBoY> catalan team is also a langage team
[14:20] <YoBoY> do you want to remove it ? ^^"
[14:20] <AlanBell> are we lacking a klingon team?
[14:21] <cjohnston> czajkowski: wasn't https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-eo the team that had something like every country selected because it was a language team? I thought you (or someone) removed it?
[14:21] <jpds> I like how there's a Petersburg team.
[14:22] <AlanBell> "kubuntu-de.org" is an odd one
[14:22] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I didnt remove it I selected 1 language
[14:23] <cjohnston> ok.. for some reason i thought it was removed, but its still there
[14:23] <czajkowski> also FYI I'm on holidays/vacation as of today, any stuff that ye need a hand with poke the LC :)
[14:23] <cjohnston> ok..
[14:23] <czajkowski> heading to ireland not been home since dec 31st
[14:23] <cjohnston> sweet
[14:23] <czajkowski> so catching up time
[14:23] <cjohnston> sounds fun
[14:24] <cjohnston> i want to go to ireland
[14:27] <AlanBell> I will figure out how to embed a multi-line text or html object on an svg and see if I can get all the Europe teams a place on the map
[14:28] <AlanBell> and make sure stuff like உபுண்டு மலைக்கோட்டை loco works
[14:30] <cjohnston> and then there are only 5 other continents to work on
[14:30] <cjohnston> ;-)
[14:31] <AlanBell> sure
[14:31] <cjohnston> Done by tonight? :-P
[14:31] <AlanBell> europe maybe
[14:31] <AlanBell> the others might take to Monday
[14:31] <YoBoY> AlanBell: be carrefull you have to keep this page accessible, images are not always welcome by screen readers
[14:31] <AlanBell> yes, I know
[14:31] <AlanBell> was going to put the list below the svg
[14:32] <YoBoY> ok :)
[14:33] <AlanBell> I listened to the recording of the UDS session and I understand the problem a lot better now
[14:40] <AlanBell> YoBoY: interestingly as an SVG it is part of the DOM and it might be possible to make it quite visible to orca
[15:30] <nigelb> mhall119: when you approve a merge please leave a comment too, or else tarmac doesn't put you in r=
[15:31] <nigelb> cjohnston: the approve comment isn't strictly needed, it will work without (didn't earlier because of my fault -- fixed), but I'd recommend having it because otherwise the r= will be empty
[15:31] <mhall119> nigelb: ok, thanks for letting me know
[15:31] <nigelb> :)
[16:11] <pmatulis> can we get borders for html tables on wiki.ubuntu.com please?
[16:11] <pmatulis> this looks horrible: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:31] <head_victim> cjohnston: thanks, I eventually found found a page suggesting to email mailman@ which auto generated an rt. Cheers
[23:23] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:8000/europe/ now should have html in the country popups
[23:24] <AlanBell> only done a few so far, SVG transforms of html content don't work very well
[23:25] <AlanBell> but it should show the concept of having links to more than one team per map zone, if and where appropriate