[12:16] <ajmitch> morning
[12:18] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[12:19] <ajmitch> ah, we do have life
[12:46] <alexandros_se> Hello,
[12:46] <alexandros_se> I would like to get in contact (e-mail?) with Mark Shuttleworth
[12:48] <alexandros_se> anyone?
[12:57] <LaserJock> alexandros_se: hmm, not sure what his prefered  address is
[12:57] <alexandros_se> LaserJock, mkay :/
[12:58] <LaserJock> alexandros_se: I'd check out his Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/people/sabdfl
[12:58] <LaserJock> alexandros_se: but I've only talked with him on IRC
[12:59] <alexandros_se> he use nickname sabdfl on irc?
[01:01] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:28] <infinito> is there any way to get a UVF exception for gotmail ???
[03:28] <infinito> right now gotmail in dapper is unusable
[03:29] <infinito> and it just needs a sync from debian unstable to work...
[03:29] <freeflying> infinito: seems hard to get UVFe now,but you can have a try
[03:30] <infinito> freeflying: what can i do?? i'm not motu...
[03:31] <freeflying> infinito: file a bug on it, attach the diffstat and changelog, also the build log ,then assign it to motu-uvf
[03:32] <zakame> hi all
[03:32] <zul> hi zakame
[03:33] <freeflying> zakame: hey
[03:33] <zakame> hi zul and freeflying
[03:34] <infinito> freeflying: sorry but... how do i get the diffstat?
[03:35] <freeflying> infinito: diff -ruN oldsource newsource | diffstat > filename_you_wanna_use
[03:35] <infinito> freeflying: thanks!
[03:41] <infinito> freeflying: there's a bugreport already, im gonna attach diffstat and buildlog, but should i assign it to motu-uvf?
[03:41] <infinito> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gotmail/+bug/41650
[03:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41650 in gotmail "gotmail 0.8.9 is out, with an important fix" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[03:41] <zakame> yep
[03:41] <freeflying> infinito: sure
[03:41] <infinito> freeflying: ok
[03:54] <crimsun> gruuu.
[03:54] <crimsun> just spent the past three hours chasing down #31699
[05:57] <welshbyte> ugh
[05:57] <welshbyte> wallpaper-tray FTBFS
[05:57] <zul> hmmmm?
[05:58] <welshbyte> zul: i was going to have a look at a couple of (seemingly simple to fix) bugs in wallpaper-tray but it won't build
[05:58] <zul> whats wrong with it?
[05:59] <zul> welshbyte: built fine here
[06:00] <welshbyte> really? hmm
[06:00] <welshbyte> what did you build it with?
[06:00] <zul> apt-get source and debuild
[06:05] <welshbyte> ah i see, it does build from source but when you change the source (i deleted 2 characters) it gives a "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" and fails
[06:07] <lifeless> unknown symbols cause link failure, news at 11
[06:20] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir :)
[06:20] <Mithrandir> hello Hobbsee
[06:21] <Mithrandir> how's your day been?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, interesting - came home from uni early :P
[06:22] <tritium> rubbish!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:24] <Mithrandir> nah, I'm going to the gym in about half an hour, just need to start livefs builds, read a bit of email and get some food first.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> ah, fun
[06:34] <Kyral_ZzZ> night
[06:36] <ajmitch> afternoon
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[08:06] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:49] <pef> hello
[08:51] <pef> my uploads to universe are silently discarded, why ? I've set distribution to dapper, upload using dput to upload.ubuntu.com, used my gpg key to sign the source.changes file...any idea ?
[08:51] <ajmitch> ask in -devel or #launchpad
[08:52] <ajmitch> someone will have access to the upload logs
[08:52] <pef> ajmitch: thank you :)
[08:53] <ajmitch> from what I can see on launchpad, you're part of the right teams, signed the CoC, etc
[08:53] <ajmitch> so if the source package is universe, it should be accepted
[08:54] <pef> ajmitch : yes, I already uploaded, and since a few days I cannot :/
[08:54] <ajmitch> I don't *think* packages are being held in a queue right now
[08:54] <ajmitch> though with flight-7 freeze it's quite possible
[08:55] <ajmitch> eg if publisher has been stopped to avoid unnecessary uploads
[08:55] <pef> ajmitch: only concern main, isn't it ?
[08:55] <ajmitch> if publisher is stopped, it affects all
[08:55] <ajmitch> I don't know how fine-grained the launchpad freezing might be at the moment
[08:55] <pef> mmm... the topic on -dev says it only affect main
[08:56] <ajmitch> yes
[08:56] <ajmitch> but it may affect universe for technical reasons
[08:56] <ajmitch> though I've seen a few zul uploads today
[08:56] <pef> I've asked on -dev, just have to wait a little :)
[09:09] <Mithrandir> can somebody please slap mongoose and tell him to turn off public away next time he joins?  He's been doing that for ages.
[09:09] <ajmitch> gladly
[09:11] <Mithrandir> (and he always quits after he does /away so I never remember to do it myself)
[09:11] <pef> Mithrandir: you should send him a memo :)
[10:43] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[10:43] <ajmitch> hi
[10:43] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch
[11:40] <aa_> Hi, I made a UVF request yesterday, and promptly told there is not enough information. The request is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pida/+bug/42882/+index
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42882 in pida "PIDA version in dapper is very old" [Normal,Needs info]
[11:45] <aa_> well, anyway, I did my best, and I was just trying to help you guys. So well, when you spend your lunch doing something, and someone just says "Not enough info, NEXT" think about it, the poor guy already wrote the software. The software already got updated in Sid (not to mention all other major linuxes and even minor linuxes). And then you will wonder why I start publicly recommending to my users to use a different distro of
[11:46] <aa_> this is not a flame, but really, sometimes you need to just think. Thank-you. :)
[11:47] <lifeless> aa_: your position here presumes that there is no risk in the upgrade
[11:48] <aa_> lifeless: I have no firm position, I just wrote the software, and get asked approximately 5 times a day why the version in ubuntu is so old
[11:48] <aa_> the answer "it will be updated soon" is not washing since "people keep telling me it is also in Sid"
[11:49] <Toadstool> aa_: well, your uvf exception request clearly lacks information, there's no diffstat, no changelog diff and no buildlog
[11:50] <aa_> of course, I am not doing this for your benefits, in particular, it is a really old and crappy version
[11:50] <aa_> Toadstool: I chatted to the main dude of universe
[11:51] <aa_> Toadstool: I was to be represented in these matters by the debian package
[11:51] <aa_> (since I am not a package maintainer, I don't even know how to make a deb)
[11:52] <aa_> now, if you really want the author of a piece of software to download a debian package, download a ubuntu package and diff them...
[11:52] <aa_> I think you might be on planet la-la
[11:52] <aa_> (but of course, maybe I am entirely missing the point)
[11:53] <lifeless> there are 16000 software packages in ubuntu
[11:53] <aa_> and fedora and suse and all the others
[11:53] <lifeless> no
[11:53] <aa_> I am not complaining!
[11:53] <lifeless> debian has ~13000 software packages
[11:53] <lifeless> fedora is < 8000 last I heard
[11:53] <aa_> ok, ok
[11:53] <lifeless> don't know the exact figure on suse
[11:53] <Toadstool> furthermore there are only three dev' processing this kind of bugs and they have a lot of work aside too as we're about only 3 weeks far from release... they don't have time to download each package and check the diffs
[11:53] <aa_> but please, there is no reason to make excuses
[11:54] <aa_> Toadstool: maintainers are not devs. Devs wrote the stuff.
[11:54] <Toadstool> I meant Ubuntu devs
[11:55] <aa_> anyway, yes I agree it is hard and everything
[11:55] <aa_> but, do we want the best linux or not?
[11:55] <aa_> Toadstool: after chatting with the universe chap we decided that an upstream debian version bump was enough evidence. Maybe I misunderstood *him*
[11:56] <ukh> sorry for the noise, but I'm an old debian die-hard and an ubuntu newbie.  is there anything equivalent to buildd.debian.org?  that is official build logs?  or is there a "Ubuntu-for-Debian-People-FAQ"?
[11:57] <Toadstool> ukh: everything's on launchpad :)
[11:57] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/beagle/
[11:57] <tseng> from the source overview
[11:57] <tseng> you can drill down to a single version
[11:57] <tseng> and see its logs
[11:58] <Toadstool> aa_: you'd better ask dholbach again then, I can't speak for him and according to your bug report it's the MOTU you spoke with
[11:59] <aa_> hmm, ok I shall, although I have wasted enough time on this.
[11:59] <ukh> tseng: ah, thanks!  :-)
[11:59] <tseng> ukh: np.
[11:59] <Toadstool> aa_: he's in charge for universe uvf exceptions with slomo_ and siretart
[12:00] <aa_> Toadstool: might just be easier to write ubuntu into a specific exclusion license. It would make me giggle too, and give me massive infamy and advertisement...hmmm
[12:00] <aa_> no I have it
[12:01] <aa_> "security"
[12:01] <tseng> that doesnt fit into anyones definition of free software, if you are suggesting what i think
[12:01] <aa_> muahah, is there a "security" path?
[12:01] <Toadstool> aa_: "release schedule" in fact
[12:01] <ukh> mmm.  too bad, "Build log: not available" for the one I'm looking for.  oh well.
[12:02] <aa_> tseng: doesn't really matter, only ubuntu users will be affected (sad since I am one of them) [I am just kidding]
[12:02] <aa_> Toadstool: well, the version in current ubuntu has huge huge security holes, where can I advertise this, is there a separate tracker?
[12:03] <Toadstool> nope, but you can add that kind of information to the already opened bug report along with the diffstat and so on
[12:04] <aa_> hmm, I am trying not to get angry :)
[12:04] <tseng> hysterics here isnt going to help you very much
[12:04] <aa_> right
[12:05] <aa_> is there a developer here that might understand the point of view of another developer?
[12:06] <tseng> you have spoke to several today
[12:06] <tseng> +n
[12:06] <aa_> do you package your own software?
[12:06] <aa_> (if I may ask)
[12:07] <tseng> not exactly, no
[12:07] <tseng> "my own" software cant be distributed outside my company
[12:08] <tseng> i package software from projects that i am involved in, but i dont "own" then by any strech
[12:08] <aa_> but you might understand how I am frustrated that the version in dapper was released before hoary?
[12:08] <tseng> has it changed in Debian since hoary?
[12:08] <aa_> yes!
[12:08] <tseng> to be very honest
[12:09] <tseng> you can blame you/your users for that
[12:09] <tseng> we have something like 30 packagers at present
[12:09] <aa_> ok, then tell me what me/my users shuld do to fix it please
[12:09] <tseng> if no one steps up for their favorite out of 15,000
[12:09] <tseng> it wont be worked on
[12:10] <aa_> should we release an unofficial deb for ubuntu?
[12:10] <tseng> what is this business about "I have updated the report"
[12:10] <aa_> I updated the initial report
[12:10] <tseng> what is the initial report
[12:10] <aa_> I wasn't aware launchpad had such amazing diffing features at the time :)
[12:11] <aa_> the initial bug report
[12:11] <tseng> ...
[12:11] <tseng> i am looking at it
[12:11] <tseng> what did you change
[12:11] <tseng> oh, the description?
[12:11] <tseng> here's your problem
[12:11] <tseng> he asked you to go read the proceedure for filing for a UVF exception
[12:11] <tseng> and as far as I can tell, you have made two edits
[12:12] <aa_> I discussed the procedure with a motu
[12:12] <tseng> and gotten no closer to complying
[12:12] <tseng> ok, so where is the ChangeLog diff
[12:12] <tseng> and diffstat?
[12:12] <aa_> he told me what is needed
[12:12] <aa_> he also told me, that I would not need a new package
[12:12] <tseng> ok so what is all the trouble
[12:13] <aa_> and that the newer debian package would support me for the diff stuff
[12:13] <tseng> who is "he"
[12:13] <aa_> you want me to download the debian package?
[12:13] <tseng> no
[12:13] <tseng> I want you to attach a changelog diff and full diffstat, if i am not missing something
[12:13] <aa_> you know what, I am going to upload a 15M diffstat just to make you happy
[12:13] <Toadstool> aa_: a diffstat not a diff
[12:14] <tseng> you already uploaded the entire diff
[12:14] <tseng> do you know what diffstat is?
[12:14] <aa_> yes
[12:14] <aa_> I'll do it really
[12:14] <tseng> so how could it possibly be bigger than the full diff
[12:14] <aa_> the fact that it is a complete rewrite, probably passed you guys by on the bug report
[12:15] <aa_> yes, not 15M really :)
[12:15] <aa_> anyway, I'll do it, why not
[12:15] <tseng> we have pretty simple policy for requesting UVF, you didnt follow it. it was pointed out to you nicely
[12:15] <aa_> after all, who keeps tarballs of software they haven't used for a year
[12:16] <tseng> now you are here making a fuss over it, and it still isnt done properly
[12:16] <aa_> lucky I am the developer really :)
[12:16] <aa_> no no, give me a few minutes to comply
[12:16] <tseng> the tarball is in the ubuntu archive
[12:16] <zakame> hi all
[12:16] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[12:16] <tseng> bye zakame
[12:17] <zakame> hey Toadstool ,bye tseng
[12:20] <aa_> ok, now on the UVF procedure it says a "diffstat of the upstream tarballs"
[12:20] <aa_> is that what you really really want?
[12:20] <tseng> I want
[12:20] <tseng> untar oldversion
[12:20] <tseng> untar newversion
[12:20] <tseng> diff -ruN old new | diffstat > your-diffstat
[12:21] <aa_> right
[12:21] <tseng> diff -ruN old/changelog new/changelog
[12:21] <zakame> or a diffstat between debdiffs
[12:21] <aa_> but I am just following the procedure
[12:21] <aa_> ali@book:~/tmp$ diffstat pida-0.3.1.tar pida_0.2.2.tar 0 files changed
[12:21] <tseng> zakame: lets not complicate this any more
[12:21] <tseng> oh jeez
[12:21] <zakame> s#debdiff#dsc#
[12:21] <tseng> you know what it meant
[12:21] <aa_> ok
[12:21] <aa_> yes I did
[12:21] <zakame> tseng: oops sorry
[12:21] <aa_> just pointing to the fact that if you are going to be exact, please be exact :)
[12:31] <zakame> what am I doing wrong with kdevelop3?
[12:32] <zakame> grrr, s#binar-#binary-#
[12:32] <tseng> i didnt know # worked as an fs
[12:32] <tseng> cool
[12:32] <tseng> i use / or :
[12:33] <zakame> in perl it is usable :)
[12:33] <tseng> oh
[12:33] <tseng> in sed also
[12:33] <zakame> probably not in other re's
[12:33] <tseng> $ echo foo | sed -e "s#foo#bar#g"
[12:33] <tseng> bar
[12:33] <zakame> now that i didn't know, cool! =)
[12:34] <tseng> eh
[12:34] <tseng> $ echo foo | sed -e "s}foo}bar}g"
[12:34] <tseng> bar
[12:34] <tseng> i think you can use about anything
[12:35] <zakame> hehe
[12:37] <aa_> tseng: I have attached the specific changelog between the svn release tags, is that satisfactory?
[12:37] <aa_> it asks for a changelog diff, which I think amounts to the same thing anyway
[12:38] <tseng> ok that sounds fine
[12:41] <aa_> right, while this is becoming fun, I may as welll attach the NEWS file too
[12:44] <tseng> I guess so
[12:45] <zul> hey tseng
[12:45] <tseng> hi
[12:51] <aa_> well, I set the status from needs info, back to uncomfirmied, is this the best way to get it reviewed?
[12:52] <tseng> yes
[12:52] <aa_> excellent, many thanks for your help, have a nice day
[12:52] <zakame> yup
[12:52] <tseng> thank you
[12:52] <zakame> and yours too aa_, thanks for helping us! =)
[12:53] <zakame> hi jbailey
[12:54] <zul> hey jeff!
[12:54] <jbailey> Heya.  Sorry for popping in and out.
[12:54] <jbailey> I'm at a trade show, and people keep asking me about MOTU stuff.
[12:55] <zakame> ooh!
[12:55] <zul> ah heh..
[12:55] <jbailey> So I log into the channel to point them to the URLs in the title.
[12:55] <Mithrandir> just hang aroud, then?
[12:59] <phanatic> hi people
[01:00] <zakame> hi phanatic
[01:00] <phanatic> hey zakame
[01:09] <jbailey> Mithrandir: My machine's been hanging.
[02:31] <truz24> Sun plans to alter its licensing to make it easier to bundle Java Runtime Environment with Linux.
[02:31] <truz24> apt-get install jdk1.5  anyone :-)
[02:31] <Mithrandir> JRE != JDK, though
[02:33] <truz24> Right, thats why I said jdk
[02:33] <truz24> I do some development in java.
[03:09] <sivang> hey all
[03:10] <sivang> Preparing a changed source that will eventually get infinitiy's approval and and be NEW'd for its binary as well, would anybody be on for sponsering its upload ?
[03:10] <sivang> (this is about homeUserBAckup)
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:31] <Mithrandir> hi bddebian, Hobbsee
[03:31] <ajmitch> hello *
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya Mithrandir
[03:33] <zakame> hi all
[03:34] <siretart> hi from linuxtag/wiesbaden! :)
[03:34] <azeem> heya siretart
[03:34] <azeem> I'll be there tomorrow
[03:35] <zakame> heya siretart ! :D
[03:35] <ogra> me too
[03:35] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[03:35] <siretart> azeem: cool! let's meet at the debian booth then :)
[03:35] <siretart> ogra: cool! :)
[03:36] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[03:36] <ajmitch> siretart: I saw you were interested in NetworkAuthentication for paris?
[03:37] <siretart> ajmitch: I'm always interested in that. Thats why I started to work on wpa_supplicant with kelmo
[03:37] <ajmitch> siretart: right, I'm putting in an application to do it as a SoC project
[03:38] <ajmitch> well, I'm getting there with the application :)
[03:38] <siretart> ajmitch: sounds great! :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> however I doubt I can get to paris to talk about it :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> exams tend to stop that, yes :P
[03:42] <Hobbsee> no!
[03:42] <Hobbsee> you have to pass the things!
[03:49] <sivang> any of the happy gang care to check out my package and upload teh source ? :)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> bddebian: that's your exam...
[03:56] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Ouch :-)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> you have 23 hours...
[03:58] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you're a harsh mistress
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe yep.  you may address me as your Queen :P
[03:59] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: now I guess you really do have to go for MOTU
[03:59] <Hobbsee> haha!
[04:00] <Hobbsee> whyever should i, when i can just poke people like you to upload for me?  :P
[04:01] <zakame> Hobbsee: lol
[04:01] <bddebian> heh
[04:11] <ajmitch> they're quite inferior
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> so people make better pillows?
[04:16] <sivang> depedesn on the person I guess :p
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:24] <highvoltage> Hobbsee: i'v fell asleep at my computer before, with my head on keyboard, ended up with a lot of keys indented in my face
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:26] <sivang> bddebian: what do you say about uploading a new source for upbackup which is now hubackup?
[04:26] <sivang> bddebian: I'm trying to get this baby in the archive for a week or more now :)
[04:27] <bddebian> sivang: I thought it already went up?
[04:27] <sivang> bddebian: no quite, had soem issues that Adam spotted for the bin pacage. I now have a new source, with all the required changes hopefully, and with a new name , final .
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ack, my touchpad is on drugs!
[04:35] <sivang> Hobbsee: T43 ?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sivang: huh?  no, toshiba a10 satellite
[04:37] <bddebian> Should we remove pcsx from the archive?  Bug #41501
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41501 in pcsx "[unclear]  [UNMETDEPS]  pcsx has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41501
[04:40] <bddebian> ANyone, anyone,... Buehler
[05:02] <sivang> bddebian: source is in REVU at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2321
[05:02] <sivang> bddebian: can see if you can upload it? it has been already reviewed in the previous name by slomo_ and another MOTU
[05:03] <sivang> bddebian: so I don't reckon there should be too many issues relating to it.
[05:03] <slomo_> where's hub btw? ;)
[05:03] <sivang> slomo_: hehe
[05:04] <sivang> slomo_: how have you been due?
[05:04] <sivang> dude, eve
[05:04] <slomo_> i need to talk to him this time... and now he's not here ;)
[05:04] <slomo_> hm extremely tired and busy lately :/
[05:04] <sivang> slomo_: oh, busy too much with school?
[05:05] <slomo_> sivang: university, yes... and you?
[05:07] <sivang> slomo_: dayjob tireing and boring as always , trying to get HUB on the archive finally (now with fixes as requested by infinity) , changed the package name at last :)
[05:07] <slomo_> oh it wasn't accepted yet?
[05:07] <sivang> slomo_: tearing up between dayjob commitments and ubuntu work :)
[05:07] <zakame> awww
[05:08] <sivang> slomo_: no, Adam requested to remove the versioned depdencies against the ones against which it was un neccessary,
[05:08] <sivang> slomo_: and to drop coreutil since it an essential package
[05:08] <bddebian> sivang: OK, seems to build OK, should I upload or is slomo_ wanting to do it?
[05:08] <sivang> slomo_: so it makes no sense to depend on it.
[05:09] <slomo_> bddebian: i'm not doing anything except eating cookies currently ;)
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: I haven't changed anything besides refactoring:
[05:09] <bddebian> slomo_: Good, have any thoughts about removing pcsx?  Bug #41501
[05:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41501 in pcsx "[unclear]  [UNMETDEPS]  pcsx has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41501
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: s/UPBackup/HUBackup/
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: and s/upbackup/hubackup/ and s/uprestore/hurestore/
[05:09] <bddebian> sivang: uploaded
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: throughout the sources
[05:09] <sivang> bddebian: yay thanks!!
[05:10] <sivang> bddebian: now I'll go bug infinity :)
[05:10] <sivang> or Kamion, or whatever
[05:10] <slomo_> bddebian: hm, i would get the dependencies in if there isn't a good reason to do not and it fixes the problem
[05:10] <slomo_> bddebian: why remove something that could work? ;)
[05:28] <LaserJock> slomo_: thanks for fixing gdesklets :-)
[05:34] <slomo_> LaserJock: np :)
[05:35] <LaserJock> slomo_: my computer still seem messed up from that dh_iconcache thing
[05:35] <slomo_> LaserJock: please "grep \#ICONDIR\# /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postrm"
[05:36] <LaserJock> slomo_: what would I replace it with? I don't have access to the machine at the moment :-/
[05:36] <slomo_> LaserJock: if there's nothing you have another problem and should upload rebuilds of those packages
[05:36] <slomo_> LaserJock: and if there's something do the same ;)
[05:36] <slomo_> don't replace it with anything... just upload a rebuild and wait :)
[05:37] <LaserJock> well I have, the problem was that it can't uninstall the package that was already there, I thought
[05:37] <LaserJock> maybe I'll try again when I get home
[05:37] <slomo_> but it can update without problems normally
[05:37] <slomo_> the icon stuff is in postrm which is afaik only called on a real remove
[05:38] <LaserJock> well, I'll try it again, but before it was still giving me the error even though I hade a corrected upload
[05:39] <LaserJock> but maybe it is all better now
[05:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: at least you got an answer this thim ;-)
[05:58] <LaserJock> s/thim/time/
[06:06] <bddebian> Yeah and I thought just Kamion and infinity hated me :-)
[06:10] <TomaszD> hi, are there any plans to package http://home.gna.org/gaupol/ in the universe?
[06:11] <LaserJock> TomaszD: look at the UniverseCandidates wiki page and  REVU please
[06:11] <TomaszD> ok, will do LaserJock
[06:12] <sivang> yay, source accepted
[06:12] <TomaszD> nope, no gaupol on either of the pages
[06:13] <phanatic> hi people
[06:15] <Gloubiboulga> heya phanatic
[06:15] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[06:22] <LaserJock> hi tuxmaniac
[06:29] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Will brb..
[06:47] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Hi
[06:49] <LaserJock> welcome back tuxmaniac
[06:49] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Can I delte my comment on a bug from launchpad
[06:50] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: nope
[06:50] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: :( Somehow for bug 42976 my comment got posted twice!! I dont know how!!
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42976 in xcircuit "Xcircuit menus don't work. " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42976
[06:50] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: Malone has a permanent record, Debian's BTS is like that as well
[06:51] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Any problems?? Sorry.. But it was not my mistake!
[06:51] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: ah, no biggie
[06:51] <LaserJock> it really doesn't matter
[06:51] <LaserJock> btw, have you uploaded a new xcircuit to REVU?
[06:52] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Oh ok. :) I was really worried whether someone would kick me :)
[06:52] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: It is the same that I uploaded wuite sometime back
[06:52] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: I am working on two more software packaging..Alliance VLSI CAD and MAGIC Layout tool.
[06:53] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Also trying to cut down on the Lintian and Linda errors
[06:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd like to see if we can get a UVF exception but we need a package first
[06:54] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: You mean Xcircuit? The package is up on the revu!
[06:55] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: yeah, but it isn't ready to be uploaded
[06:55] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Can you be more specific as to what it lacks apart from Lintian and Linda errors so that I can work on it !
[06:56] <LaserJock> mostly those lintian and linda errors, let me look again though
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Hey, is the newest version of SPE going to go into universe before dapper?
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> I just found that the last version had allocated over a gig of ram just by being open all night and me not really using it
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Mem:    963844k total,   938120k used,    25724k free,        4k buffers
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Swap:  2104472k total,   909864k used,  1194608k free,    81496k cached
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Then closing SPE
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Mem:    963844k total,   460000k used,   503844k free,        4k buffers
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Swap:  2104472k total,   284560k used,  1819912k free,    70992k cached
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> I just installed 0.8.2.a, I'll let that run and see if it fixes it.
[08:22] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga or Toadstool: around? What is going on with siptoolbox?
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I can't fix it
[08:24] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: why not?
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> because I'm not good enough I guess :)
[08:26] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: hehe, np. I'll take a look and see if I can have a go of it. If not then I'll have to let bddebian do his magic
[08:27] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, there's a new release
[08:30] <LaserJock> heh, there's always a new release :/
[08:30] <Gloubiboulga> yep, but it's a new release candidate actually
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> I guess it's only bugfixes
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I look at this, if it's only bugfixes, an UVFe could be requested
[08:34] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: did you look at the Debian info page for siptoolbox?
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> I looked 2 weeks ago, the maintainer asked to remove the package from debian iirc
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> our version is the same than the debian one
[08:37] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: well, the maintainer orphaned it
[08:37] <bddebian> Beauty
[08:38] <Spec> Are there certifications for Ubuntu?
[08:38] <tseng> yes, from LPI
[08:38] <Spec> are most MOTUs certified? :p
[08:38] <tseng> no..
[08:38] <tseng> the LPI certs are for business demands
[08:38] <Spec> and resumes?
[08:39] <tseng> I am listed under "Core Developers", I think that speaks a little louder
[08:39] <Spec> but...you're not certified, so you probably don't know a thing about ubuntu
[08:39] <Spec> sorry, that was a joke.
[08:39] <tseng> yeah
[08:39] <tseng> PHBs
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, the new sources fail to build with the same error than our version anyway
[08:40] <bddebian> Spec: tseng knows everything :-)
[08:40] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: what new source? new upstream?
[08:40] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: and what does it fail on?
[08:41] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock,  error: too few arguments to function 'MogrifyImage', using the April 14, 2006 tarball
[08:41] <tseng> bddebian: happy Cinco de Mayo
[08:41] <bddebian> And to you :-)
[08:42] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: So fix it :-)
[08:42] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: is that on AMD64?
[08:42] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, nop, x86
[08:42] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: uggh
[08:43] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: and you have all the build deps right?
[08:43] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[08:47] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: could you add a note to the bug report with what you have found?
[08:48] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, sure
[08:49] <Spec> so, tseng, you know everything?
[08:49] <Spec> is the best way to package a .py script with dh_make, manual editing of control/scripts, and then dpkg-buildpackage?
[08:50] <tseng> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot
[08:50] <tseng> and then build it in pbuilder
[08:50] <tseng> is more correct
[08:50] <Spec> err
[08:50] <Spec> what does pbuilder building do that dpkg-buildpackage doesn't?
[08:51] <tseng> it builds in a clean chroot similar to the real buildd
[08:51] <tseng> which makes sure you have the right build-deps
[08:51] <Spec> so you build it, then rebuild it with pbuilder?
[08:51] <tseng> no
[08:51] <tseng> you build the source package only
[08:51] <Spec> ohh
[08:51] <tseng> and build that in pbuilder
[08:51] <Spec> haha, -S = source
[08:51] <tseng> which is the same thing that happenes in a real upload to ubuntu
[08:51] <tseng> you upload source, its built in a chroot
[08:51] <Spec> ah
[08:52] <Spec> so that'll produce the .dsc file
[08:52] <Spec> that pbuilder requires as an argument?
[08:52] <tseng> yeah
[08:52] <tseng> pbuilder build foo.fs
[08:52] <tseng> foo.dsc
[08:52] <Spec> yeap
[08:52] <Spec> i knew how to use pbuilder, but not like that
[08:52] <Spec> it makes 100% more sense now
[08:52] <tseng> cool
[08:52] <Spec> i'll have to bug you when i get more questions :)
[08:53] <tseng> just so you arent disappointed, I dont actualyl know everything
[08:53] <Spec> damnit.
[08:53] <Spec> is it okay to call pbuilder as root?
[08:54] <tseng> you have to
[08:54] <Spec> ah, ok
[08:54] <tseng> sudo pbuilder
[09:00] <Spec> so, if i apt-get source a package and pbuilder build *.dsc, the result isn't signed....should I just manually call debsign?
[09:03] <crimsun> yes
[09:05] <zul> debuild -S shouldnt be good enough shouldnt it?
[09:06] <Spec> I get "Skipping screwed changefile /path/to/program.changes" when I mini-dinstall -r :-/
[09:06] <Spec> with no indication on how the changefile is screwed :p
[09:06] <crimsun> zul: ...with pbuilder?
[09:06] <crimsun> zul: normally yes, that suffices
[09:06] <zul> oh...with pbuilder sorry..
[09:07] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I have to go but I'll spend some time on siptoolbox when I'm back
[09:07] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I'll add a comment on the bug if I really can't do anything else ;)
[09:09] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: great, thanks
[09:32] <Spec> How do I get mini-dinstall to associate "dapper" with "unstable"?
[09:34] <bddebian>   MogrifyImage(ImageInfo *,const int,const char **,Image **,ExceptionInfo *),
[09:34] <bddebian>    stat = MogrifyImage(image_info, argc, argv, &image);
[09:42] <bddebian> That's your siptoolbox problem
[09:56] <LaserJock> bddebian: is that the problem or the fix?
[09:56] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: That's the first problem.  I fixed that.  Now I'm trying to figure out why it can't find UndefinedCompressionQuality
[10:18] <Spec> Where does pbuilder get the distribution from? The .diff.gz file? I'm trying to switch unstable to dapper and it keeps making it unstable in the .changes file
[10:18] <tseng> the changelog
[10:18] <tseng> edit the debian/changelog
[10:19] <tseng> and rebuild the source package
[10:19] <Spec> i did
[10:19] <Spec> the changelog says dapper
[10:19] <Spec> that's what i thought at first, but the .changes file is still saying unstable
[10:19] <tseng> then you didnt build the source package (correctly)
[10:19] <tseng> move the old stuff out of the way and try again
[10:20] <Spec> i deleted the old stuff
[10:20] <Spec> then did pbuilder build *dsc
[10:20] <tseng> then you are doing something wrong
[10:20] <Spec> hmm
[10:20] <Spec> so it'll never look in the diff file? that's the only place where "unstable" is mentioned
[10:21] <tseng> i am not sure what you think is doing the looking
[10:21] <tseng> to answer that
[10:21] <tseng> what is "it"
[10:21] <Spec> whatever program creates the .changes file, dpkg-buildpackage i assume?
[10:23] <Spec> all i've done is apt-get source <package>, went into package-version/debian/changelog, changed all unstable to dapper, and then did pbuilder build *dsc
[10:24] <LaserJock> Spec: you have to build the source package first
[10:24] <Spec> bah
[10:25] <Spec> oki :)
[10:25] <LaserJock> Spec: ie. debuild -S or dpkg-buildpackage -S
[10:25] <tseng> yeah i told you that
[10:26] <Spec> *slowlearner*
[10:26] <tseng> at least twice :)
[10:26] <Spec> well, dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[10:26] <tseng> yes.
[10:26] <Spec> :p
[10:26] <tseng> -rfakeroot
[10:26] <Spec> ah, yeah
[10:26] <tseng> you dont always need -as
[10:26] <tseng> -sa
[10:26] <tseng> but
[10:27] <tseng> i wasnt going to complicate things
[10:27] <Spec> and i need to sit in the source for that
[10:27] <tseng> yes, you do
[10:27] <LaserJock> I usually just use debuild -S or debuild -S -sa if I need the .orig.tar.gz included
[10:27] <tseng> its the same thing
[10:27] <Spec> -sa is for orig.tar.gz
[10:27] <Spec> ?
[10:28] <tseng> -sa = sign all
[10:28] <Spec> really?
[10:28] <tseng> which means you are uploading orig.tar.gz
[10:28] <tseng> if you have a new version, you do that
[10:28] <Spec> ah
[10:28] <tseng> if its a new revision, the orig is already in the archive
[10:28] <LaserJock> or if you are uploading to REVU
[10:28] <Spec> the first upload
[10:28] <tseng> and you dont need to upload it
[10:28] <Spec> yeap
[10:28] <Spec> what's REVU?
[10:29] <Spec> that's where MOTU's upload their packages to be built in a chrooted environment? </guess>
[10:29] <LaserJock> Spec: that is where people can upload package to be review by MOTUs and eventually uploaded
[10:29] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[10:31] <Spec> so this is a way out of the debian mentor system?
[10:31] <tseng> no
[10:31] <tseng> its for ubuntu
[10:32] <Spec> yeah, i meant
[10:32] <Spec> for ubuntu to not do what debian does, which is require a new package person to have a mentor
[10:32] <Spec> and have a mentor sponsor the package, etc etc
[10:32] <sivang> guys, will working on http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu , or either on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h will get me approved for UNiverse uploads if I do it enough?
[10:32] <sivang> (i.e., it's not making packages from scratch so I thought it has less value for that)
[10:34] <LaserJock> sivang: umm, any work for Universe will help to become a MOTU
[10:34] <LaserJock> bug fixing, unmet deps, FTBFS, .desktop files, whatever
[10:34] <sivang> LaserJock: cool, what about uploading a package from scratch for a cool python program one wrote? :)
[10:34] <jpatrick> pieces of pizza
[10:35] <LaserJock> sivang: sure
[10:36] <sivang> LaserJock: unmetdeps is automatically filed btw?
[10:36] <ogra> sivang, the more packages you touched^Wfixed the better look your skills in the TB meeting
[10:36] <sivang> ah, indeed. I now see how it was created
[10:37] <sivang> ogra: okay, I want to create a critical mass to help me progress a bit in MOTU, having to ask for someone to upload hubackup for me everytime could get annoyning :)
[10:37] <Spec> how's hubackup going?
[10:38] <sivang> Spec: there's a first version waiting to hit to archives in an hour I think
[10:38] <sivang> Spec: make sure you check it out and opne all the bugs you see :)
[10:38] <Spec> hmm, my karma got cut in half
[10:39] <sivang> eeryone's did
[10:39] <Spec> ah, okay
[10:39] <sivang> dunnon why
[10:39] <Spec> maybe i shouldn't have eaten that lamburger with duck egg infused in it yesterday
[10:39] <sivang> Spec: if you put a medium or connect a pluggable drive then you should be able to do backups without problem
[10:39] <sivang> restore, and verify as well
[10:40] <Spec> err
[10:40] <Spec> what if i'm running off a usb harddrive?
[10:41] <Spec> that shouldn't affect it?
[10:41] <Spec> wtf
[10:41] <sivang> Spec: will be just excellent
[10:41] <sivang> Spec: HUBackup likes best when you work with usb harddrives :)
[10:42] <sivang> (although might not be accurate on the messages it might display, as I've put numerous work to make multi volume backups work with rw/r cds)
[10:43] <sivang> LaserJock: what if a package I was interested in already got assigned, should I ask the guy who's assigned there if he already fixed it?
[10:43] <Spec> stupid laptop overheated :-/
[10:43] <sivang> status does not say fix release/commited whateeve
[10:43] <sivang> whatever
[10:43] <LaserJock> sivang:  you could, but they are probably working on it
[10:43] <LaserJock> if they assigned it to themselves
[10:44] <sivang> LaserJock: okay, there a way to view all the unassigned stuff?
[10:45] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure abou that
[10:48] <Spec> unassigned bugs?
[10:48] <Spec> because there's a way to see all the unassigned bugs...
[10:50] <bddebian> Unconfirmed
[10:50] <bddebian> Would be a great start
[10:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: If Gloubiboulga comes back around, I made some comments on the siptoolbox bug :-)
[10:54] <LaserJock> Spec: well unassigned that have a certain title, I guess you could use the advanced search
[10:57] <Spec> hah
[10:57] <Spec> there's no unassigned search option under the advanced search option
[10:57] <Spec> err, under status
[10:59] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, thanks :)
[11:00] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I try to find how to fix the UndefinedCompressionQuality error too :)
[11:01] <bddebian> Coolio :-
[11:01] <bddebian> )
[11:04] <bddebian> Gotta run folks, catch you in a while
[11:23] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, siptoolbox is fixed
[11:24] <Gloubiboulga> I don't know how I didn't find a solution earlier :/
[11:25] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you uploaded?
[11:26] <Gloubiboulga> I'm pbuilding it
[11:27] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I have not used a patch system since it's a tiny diff, are you ok with this, or do you prefer a patch system?
[11:28] <LaserJock> does it have a patch system already?
[11:28] <Gloubiboulga> no
[11:30] <Toadstool> well done Gloubiboulga, I had completely forgotten about siptoolbox
[11:33] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: then don't bother making it have one ;-)
[11:33] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, bddebian's comment was really usefull :)
[11:33] <Toadstool> yes indeed, I've just read it
[11:34] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, just a missing #include and a MogrifyImage broken syntax
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, built/installed :)
[11:51] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: great
[11:55] <Gloubiboulga> Midnight here, it's time to sleep for me
[11:55] <Gloubiboulga> later


[07:19] <j_f-f> Hi
[07:19] <j_f-f> Which package is responsible for the audio settings in the system tray?


[08:57] <SpecialK|Canon> Suggested MP URLs on push is <3 <3 <3
[09:27] <tomwardill> "# IF YOU ARE READING THIS, TWOM FORGOT TO ADD TESTS"
[09:27] <tomwardill> ah, thanks past twom
[09:33] <SpecialK|Canon> :D
[10:17] <StevenK> On one of the open source projects I work on, I tore my hair out for a few hours about why a test I added that did self.assertTrue(False) didn't fail. Turns out the entire test class of 94 unit tests wasn't being run at all
[11:52] <tomwardill> reuse layers across image uploads, a first punt. https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383859
[12:00] <cjwatson> pappacena: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383860   small fix to sync-signingkeys
[12:51]  * pappacena reviewing
[13:59] <SpecialK|Canon> Do we still use lp:txlongpoll?
[14:00] <SpecialK|Canon> Tom was unsure when we spoke earlier
[14:01] <cjwatson> Is dead
[14:01] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/remove-txlongpoll/+merge/366122
[14:01]  * cjwatson removes it from launchpad-project
[14:02] <SpecialK|Canon> Fab, thanks!
[14:02] <cjwatson> I think we may not have actually decommissioned the deployment of it, but it's doing nothing
[14:02] <SpecialK|Canon> Is it appropriate for me to remove it from the OSA rollout docs or should I ask "a LOSA"?
[14:03] <cjwatson> Feel free to nuke it
[14:04] <SpecialK|Canon> I can safely drop Staging Auditor from that too, ja?
[14:05] <cjwatson> ja
[15:43] <cjwatson> wgrant: Could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383880 please?  Some new xPPH indexes in preparation for publisher rework
[16:12] <tomwardill> cjwatson: any idea what would give "ImportError: No module named loom.branch" on `make apidoc`?
[16:12] <tomwardill> it's entirely possible I have a broken build env
[16:31] <cjwatson> tomwardill: utilities/update-sourcecode


[23:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: congrats!
[23:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks!
[23:11] <Unit193> Ah nice, you already got elementary-xfce sponsored.
[23:13] <bluesabre> Yup
[23:14] <bluesabre> Hopefully will get to the other side of that tonight


[00:20] <ryaxnb> rww, i see your logs
[00:20] <ryaxnb> i would swear at you, but youd probably ban me for that
[00:20] <ryaxnb> im in ur logbooks, reading ur sekrits
[00:21] <ryaxnb> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/02/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[00:21] <ryaxnb> you violated irc policy, quieting me for no reason
[00:21] <ryaxnb> i will report you if i need to
[00:21] <ryaxnb> i can report you to the irc council and they would probably side with me.
[00:21] <ryaxnb> tonyyarusso, you too!
[00:21] <ryaxnb> you agreed with rww just because you guys hate me :(I
[00:24] <ryaxnb> rww, tonyyarusso please respond before i have to email the irc council
[00:25] <ryaxnb> ops!
[00:25] <ryaxnb> tsimpson,
[00:25] <ryaxnb> maybe you could take this up?
[00:25] <ryaxnb> Myrtti, ?
[00:25] <ryaxnb> Myrtti, you were in on this too , laughing at it, according to the irc recordlog
[00:25] <ryaxnb> was topyli in on this "game"
[00:26] <tsimpson> ryaxnb: if you have a complaint, please send an email to the IRC council, linking to logs and any other relevant information
[00:27] <ryaxnb> i have a complaint
[00:27] <ryaxnb> can i talk to rww first?
[00:27] <ryaxnb> i wont bother you in the meantime!
[00:27] <ryaxnb> ill wait for rww to be back, or tonyyarusso
[00:27] <ryaxnb> or preferrably, both.
[00:27] <ryaxnb> i need to speak to them, in person, as an apology would do wonders :)
[00:27] <ryaxnb> meantime, ill part
[00:28] <ryaxnb> k?
[00:28] <tsimpson> ok
[00:28] <ryaxnb> seeya
[09:17] <Tm_T> well this is new, I got the traditional "email lottery" scam message in SMS form
[10:33] <jussi> Tm_T: cripes
[10:33] <jussi> Tm_T: I got one in real letter form when I lived in Ireland.
[12:19] <bazhang> zyw now trolling -cn in English
[12:30] <jrib> didn't figure that one for a troll honestly...
[15:56] <IdleOne> anybody know what duper is talking about?
[15:56] <IdleOne> seems offtopic to me
[15:56] <IdleOne> javad also
[19:26]  * jussi wonders if IdleOne or topyli are about
[19:27] <IdleOne> whats up jussi ?
[20:04] <jussi> ircc meeting just starting
[21:36]  * hypatia waves
[21:37] <IdleOne> hello hypatia and welcome :)
[21:38] <IdleOne> bought time you joined the party
[21:39] <hypatia> hehe, yeah, sorry for the delay!
[21:39] <hypatia> i was in a panic about my stats final when i got the invite
[21:39] <hypatia> i passed though!
[21:39] <IdleOne> congrats!
[21:41] <IdleOne> you should identify
[21:42] <IdleOne> you now have partial oppiness :)
[21:49] <hypatia> schweet
[22:49] <Myrtti> bustedup227?
[23:19] <rww> fixed ^
[23:21] <rww> huh. ubottu asked me to review a @mark


[01:40] <blr> wgrant: so it looks like $LANG is unset in a hook execution context
[01:42] <blr> which can lead to utf-8 weirdness in some libraries (envdir uses codecs.open, rather than open for some reason)
[01:42] <blr> as a workaround I'm forcing en_US.UTF-8
[01:52] <wgrant> blr: What does it break?
[01:55] <blr> wgrant: codecs.open drops back to ASCII, even in 3.4 weirdly
[01:55] <wgrant> As it should.
[01:55] <wgrant> But does that break anything?
[01:55] <blr> wgrant: it breaks envdir
[01:56] <blr> setting LANG in the charm works, it just seems like an odd thing to have to do
[02:01] <blr> wgrant: is it reasonable to expect LANG in the juju context?
[02:03] <wgrant> blr: https://github.com/juju/juju/issues/133
[02:03] <wgrant> blr: But why does envdir care? Is it writing out non-ASCII?
[02:06] <blr> wgrant: it builds it's setuptools description from a few different files, presumably one of them contains non ascii characters
[02:06] <blr> https://github.com/jezdez/envdir/blob/master/setup.py
[02:07] <blr> not sure why he's used codecs.open there
[03:57] <mwhudson> today's lesson: cross compiling go from pcc64le to amd64 doesn't work
[07:21] <cjwatson> blr: C.UTF-8 is a better choice; unlike en_US.UTF-8, it's available on all Ubuntu systems, even the most minimal ones, without needing to install anything extra
[08:01] <blr> cjwatson: excellent, thanks I'll use that.
[09:13] <cjwatson> wgrant,blr: I'm rather blocked on reviews, if either of you get some time.  I'm going to sidestep that today by having a go at some more of the BaseMailer stuff.
[09:39] <wgrant> cjwatson: I have snapbuild-basic-model pretty much done, just wanted to give it a few hours to percolate before I actually hit the r=me. Will look over again now.
[09:39] <wgrant> Meant to do it earlier but rabbitmq ate me.
[09:44] <wgrant> The whole privacy thing worries me.
[09:44] <wgrant> But it is little more intractable than eg. recipes.
[09:45] <cjwatson> Hopefully a good bit better since it doesn't involve descending into Soyuz.
[10:49] <cjwatson> Converting team notifications to BaseMailer looks pretty tractable and likely to be an improvement in terms of consistency/filterability, but is involving a lot of very careful thinking!
[10:49] <cjwatson> (Not least because each notification has potentially multiple teams involved, so I'm having to think carefully about which one gets the @ notation in X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale.)
[10:57] <wgrant> I don't actually recall if we send two if you're on both ends.
[10:57] <wgrant> I'd think not, but I don't know.
[11:00] <cjwatson>         # The member's email address may be in admin_addrs too; let's remove
[11:00] <cjwatson>         # it so the member don't get two notifications.
[11:00] <cjwatson> Which is just as well as otherwise it's a pain to BaseMailerify.
[11:00] <cjwatson> Though, hmm, I wonder how to handle the multiple templates.
[11:02] <wgrant> It'll have to be two separate mailer invocations, I suspect.
[11:03] <cjwatson> Yeah, I don't think I can convert notify_team_join into a single mailer instance.
[20:39] <blr> morning


[22:30] <lekefly> ikonia: sure.. but if there is a command just to make it connect i can VNC into it :P
[22:30] <ikonia> lekefly: no
[22:30] <vinse> nibbler: i had to explicitly set my ip in order to ping anything.  i couldn't even see other machines until i did "sudo ifconifg eth0 inet 192..."
[22:30] <ikonia> lekefly: you can do dh-client eth0
[22:30] <lekefly> Guess i have to give up:(
[22:30] <ikonia> lekefly: sudo dhclient eth0
[22:30] <teage> manueljordison_, You may have to blacklist another current driver to get yours to work, do you have internet on yer machine right now?
[22:30] <vinse> btw, i'm a total moron when it comes to networking if it's not obvious ;)
[22:30] <marnold> cmp restart your computer and then see if it works
[22:30] <pjjkziq> manueljordison_, no clue on that, it looks like a new version I'm not used to
[22:30] <semanticpc> nibbler:  ctrl-z and bg worked thanx
[22:31] <nibbler> vinse: ah ok, then you need to set your router the like, just check the other boxes for their router (and dns)
[22:31] <manueljordison_> teage, i don't have internet (wifi)
[22:32] <marnold>  Jcink what brings you here
[22:32] <vinse> nibbler: router = gateway?
[22:32] <nibbler> semanticpc: fg would bring it back to the foreground, disown could completely detach it so that you could exit the shell withouterror. screen is a more pwerfull way to backgroud jobs, but needs to be executed before you start the job
[22:32] <Jooder492> how do you get linux drivers?
[22:32] <nibbler> vinse: yep
[22:32] <ikonia> Jooder492: for what
[22:32] <Gateway`> vinse, sort of yes :)
[22:32] <lekefly> ikonia: woho! thanks that worked..
[22:32] <vinse> nibbler: and how do i set those explicitly? also with ifconfig?
[22:32] <ehnde> screen is worth taking the time to learn how to use
[22:32] <Jooder492> my audio
[22:32] <teage> manueljordison_, if you can plug into a jack to get the internet you can fix the problem, the only way i know is to install ndiswrapper and blacklist the driver that is blocking you.
[22:32] <nibbler> vinse: first try : sudo dhclient eth0 - maybe there is a dhcp server running.
[22:33] <VCoolio> ehnde: use byobu and you don't need to learn as much
[22:33] <nibbler> vinse: dns is set by "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" in /etc/resolv.conf, router by "route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>"
[22:33] <vinse> nibbler: i tried that before i set my ip, it didnt work
[22:33] <ehnde> VCoolio: i'll check it out, never heard of that one
[22:33] <vinse> i will try again though
[22:33] <marnold> is launchpad slow for anyone else
[22:33] <semanticpc> nibbler:  now that I have executed bg i can exit the shell window right ??
[22:33] <nibbler> vinse: both can be controlled via /etc/network/interfaces for a more permanent setup
[22:33] <manueljordison_> TEAGE, what do  you mean by BLACKLIST??
[22:33] <teage> manueljordison_, I think its rt2800 that is the coprite
[22:33] <VCoolio> ehnde: it is screen, but proconfigured with easy keybindings and stuff
[22:34] <nibbler> semanticpc: yep, but if you disown it before the shell will exit directly and not "hang" (which does not affect the backgrouded process)
[22:34] <manueljordison_> teage, i see
[22:34] <cmp> still not working marnold,
[22:34] <nibbler> vinse: well, dont now how you tried before
[22:34] <teage> manueljordison_ You have a driver that is loading and you need not that driver, blacklist it and then your other driver will work.
[22:34] <nibbler> vinse: just pick up the info at another box
[22:34] <marnold> well ... um maybe try a reinstall
[22:34] <Rasmussen> 7server irc.freenode.net
[22:34] <uffiole> hi, newbie question, how do i get same list(?) from a file as from plz_list = %w(13359 67059 90459 56068 69115)
[22:35] <manueljordison_> teage
[22:35] <uffiole> i put all those zip codes in the file each in its own line
[22:35] <manueljordison_> teage, how can i do that??
[22:35] <marnold> sudo aptitude reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[22:35] <aaron>
[22:35] <aaron>
[22:35] <nibbler> uffiole: what do you have, and what do you want?
[22:35] <FloodBot4> aaron: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:36] <uffiole> it tried so much, myfile.readlines()  IO.foreach ...
[22:36] <marnold> cmp, i'm off to dinner and other stuff
[22:36] <teage> manueljordison_, hang on i will get you the command, been a while since i did this
[22:36] <marnold> I'll be back ~9:30
[22:37] <marnold> if that doesn't work
[22:37] <marnold> theres still a few tricks
[22:37] <uffiole> nibbler, i have a file with values in lines and want to loop through them
[22:38] <nibbler> uffiole: for i in $(cat file); do echo $i; done
[22:38] <userone> ok..when i do right click on network manager and click connection information, it lists 'speed' as unknown. how can i get network manager to register the speed of the usb modem?
[22:38] <uffiole> nibbler, sorry wrong channel, it should be ruby ... :)
[22:39] <nibbler> uffiole: wrong channel. but cant be much harder :-)
[22:39] <temp3222> hi people.  having an issue, put ubuntu 9.10 on my bro's netbook and mouse doesn't work.  neither the touchpad or the usb wireless mouse.  both will move pointer but neither will click
[22:39] <teage> manueljordison_ ,I cant remember the command, so open nautilus with this command, gtknautilus , when you do that i can guid you to the config file
[22:39] <ke1ha> it will be very similar in Ruby
[22:40] <ubuntu> I've now set up a server on ubuntu (LAMP) is also FTP installed now? how can I see my hosted files nicely in a list?
[22:40] <temp3222> in fact when the pointer is moved out of a window, the pointer icon doesn't change at all... no atter where i point it
[22:40] <vinse> nibbler: thank you! setting everything explicitly did the trick
[22:40] <teage> manueljordison_: opps, i mean gtksudo nautilus
[22:40] <nibbler> vinse: welcome
[22:40] <teage> manueljordison, sorry bout that
[22:40] <matrixfox> welcome
[22:41] <pjotr> teage, it's gksudo
[22:41] <semanticpc> nibbler: i am using tcsh so it doesn't have disown ...... any alternative on tcsh ??
[22:41] <teage> pjotr, thats it, im using kde, havent used gnome in some time now.
[22:42] <userone> lsusb!!!!!!! thats what i wanted to know!!!
[22:42] <macman_> question .. i want to share a file between 2 ubuntu laptops .. how do i do this ?
[22:42] <DavidCoq> Hi
[22:42] <nibbler> semanticpc: no diea then. but disowning is not so important, just closes the shell cleaner
[22:42] <nibbler> macman_: either use rsync, or trust in ubuntu one
[22:43] <macman_> nibbler: there is no sharing ?
[22:43] <semanticpc> nibbler:  okay ... closing the shell **fingers-crossed**
[22:43] <barf> In the package dovecot-postix where is the default mail storage?
[22:43] <nibbler> macman_: there is dozends of sharing options, use samba, nfs, afs, sshfs
[22:43] <hoffix> good evening
[22:43] <teage> manueljordison_ are you on gnome or kde desktop, if its gnome it is indeed gksudo nautilus, if its kde it is kdesudo konqueror
[22:43] <Crystufer> I just installed kubuntu 9.1 on my second partition and I can't boot it cuz there's no menu.lst. Ideas?
[22:45] <forestwalker> Does somebody know why I have on my root 'list-c' and 'list-l' files? they are created each time when Ubuntu boots.
[22:46] <nibbler> forestwalker: what is in them?
[22:46] <forestwalker> they are empty
[22:46] <perlsyntax> Does anyone know if this is supported in ubuntu? Integrated 10/1000 Ethernet	?
[22:47] <perlsyntax> :)
[22:47] <nibbler> perlsyntax: depends on the chip
[22:47] <nibbler> forestwalker: grep for these names in /etc/init.d
[22:47] <nibbler> Crystufer: the install did not report any problems?
[22:47] <perlsyntax> Well it don't say what on dell web site.
[22:48] <Jooder492> anyone know how you get drivers in linux for my sound card?
[22:48] <perlsyntax> chips
[22:48] <jazz_> anyone recomend how much space to use for / and /home on a 40gig hdd?
[22:48] <nibbler> Jooder492: check the alsa project homepage. what soundhardware do you have, normally it should "just work"?
[22:49] <defrysk> jazz_, 8 gigs for / will do usually
[22:49] <userone> what does uhci_hcd and address 2 mean?
[22:49] <nibbler> perlsyntax: if you have the box at hand, run lspci
[22:49] <forestwalker> sudo grep list-c * - nothing found
[22:49] <ke1ha> forestwalker: find -L / | grep List.c
[22:49] <VCoolio> jazz_: depends on how much you want to install and if you're going to try mulpiple de's; 6 Gb for / should get you going
[22:49] <perlsyntax> I don't hve the desktop yet.
[22:49] <perlsyntax> have
[22:49] <nibbler> jazz_: if you are new to linux, use it all for /
[22:49] <pjotr> "mount -t smbfs '//server/home' /mnt/mountpoint -o rw,username=adusername/adgroup,workgroup=adgroup,uid=linuxusername" works from the command line, ad being the domain, what to put on /etc/fstab?
[22:49] <VCoolio> nibbler: why no separate /home for furure easy upgrading?
[22:49] <defrysk> nibbler, if he would be new hew would not ask about /home
[22:50] <nibbler> VCoolio: upgrading is always easy
[22:50] <perlsyntax> nibbler,I hope it supported on dell ubuntu 9.04 dvd i burn.
[22:50] <ke1ha> or whatever files your looking for, may need to use sudo.
[22:50] <userone> dmesg says: usb 6-1: reset full speed usb device using uhci_hcd and address 2. what do i do and will this increase the speed of my usb modem?
[22:50] <defrysk> seperate /home rules
[22:50] <nibbler> defrysk: he asks for how much space he needs for his /home ... noone can answer this, and an experienced use would know that :)
[22:50] <VCoolio> nibbler: well sure but with only / you always need to backup (which is ok anyway of course, but still)
[22:50] <Crystufer> nibbler: No it didn't. I was not able to finish entirely as I cannot boot after the cd got spit out.
[22:50] <jazz_> im new  been using since 9.10 came out- id like to try other types of linux but im worried about all the other things i do have now
[22:51] <Jooder492> nibbler did you get my message?
[22:51] <nibbler> VCoolio: no matter what you do partition-wise, you *always* need to backup!
[22:51] <nibbler> Jooder492: no PM please
[22:51] <Jooder492> i did pm.. i thought...
[22:51] <Jooder492>  /msg <nick> <message> right?
[22:52] <nibbler> Jooder492: yep, but i dont read them, ask in channel please
[22:52] <defrysk> Jooder492, its rude in irc to private unasked
[22:52] <Jooder492> oh.  well my audio jacks are all diffrent then ussual.  the mic is is audio out and the headphone jack does nothing
[22:52] <nibbler> Crystufer: well, i'd boot into the live-cd, chroot into the linux on-disk system and try to fix things manually (grub-install etc)
[22:52] <Jooder492> oh i didnt mean anything by it :S
[22:53] <nibbler> !grub  | Crystufer
[22:53] <darolu> jazz what other things?
[22:54] <jazz_> darolu,  cd players and dvd rippers and stuff
[22:54] <ke1ha> jazz_: install them in VM then if it breaks, oh well, you've not hosed your base install.
[22:54] <Kudos> anyone know of a way to get i3 530 gpu working with 9.10?
[22:55] <jazz_> i do have a few extra playres to find which one i like yet
[22:55] <manueljordison> guys anyone can help me.. realtek wifi problem in toshiba with ubuntu
[22:55] <Crystufer> nibbler: I was thinking of doing this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/372095/
[22:55] <NewfierRich> quick question. If I rename a .iso will that change the hash?
[22:55] <powergoal> manueljordison: what kinda poblems?
[22:55] <jazz_> ke1ha whats vm?
[22:55] <manueljordison> powergoal, the wifi card is not working at all.
[22:56] <darolu> jazz I'd just install them back, most distros have similar package managers than Ubuntu's
[22:56] <ke1ha> a Virtual application like VMware or similar.
[22:56] <powergoal> manueljordison: what kind of card is it?  Realtek...
[22:57] <darolu> jazz I think kelha is suggesting you to install whatever distro you want to try on a virtual machine
[22:57] <jazz_> right now at the mopment  i have tooo much space for root and not enought space for  home. br right back in a sec
[22:57] <manueljordison> realtek semiconductor RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express
[22:57] <manueljordison> powergoal, RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express
[22:58] <jazz_> sorry im back
[22:58] <forestwalker> can you guys please a run ls -l / and look for 'list-c' an d'list-l' files? do you have them? i got them and they have root:root ownership and they are empty
[22:59] <powergoal> manueljordison: do you know if you have the kernel module loaded?
[22:59] <rww> NewfierRich: no
[22:59] <ke1ha> forestwalker: just put sudo in form of itL sudo ls -l /
[23:00] <manueljordison> powergoal... nop I am just a ubuntu user
[23:00] <darolu> forestwalker no I don't have them, I think those are created by a graphics viewer application though
[23:00] <ke1ha> lets try that again: sudo ls -l / | grep list-c
[23:01] <forestwalker> ke1ha: i did it. they are empty files
[23:02] <ke1ha> smae here, nadda on the list-c or list-l files.
[23:02] <mindos> is there anybody playing quake 3 on ubuntu?
[23:02] <forestwalker> ke1ha: i'm still running this. i have a lot of files on my HD. so far nothing found usefull
[23:02] <nibbler> Crystufer: did it work?
[23:02] <powergoal> manueljordison: looking to see which module you need... then we can check. :)
[23:02] <Crystufer> nibbler: Not sure yet. I haven't tried it. I need the name of the right kernel.
[23:02] <ke1ha> manueljordison: if you can't get the native install to configure you NIC, consider ndiswrapper
[23:03] <jazz_> darolu i missed your statement , i got it now...
[23:03] <matrixfox> wrong chat for games u want wines channel
[23:03] <nibbler> Crystufer: well, it should be on /boot
[23:03] <jellow_> can i use cat to attach to seperate avi files.
[23:03] <manueljordison> kelha, I did it but nothing happens
[23:03] <darolu> Is there quake3 for linux?
[23:03] <teage> what is the text editor in gnome?
[23:03] <matrixfox> check wine HQ
[23:03] <mrpink57> teage: gedit
[23:03] <matrixfox> i think q3 is under there
[23:03] <Crystufer> nibbler: Oh yeah, you're right. I should be able to copy paste that bit once I'm in the live environment.
[23:04] <pjotr> teage, gedit
[23:04] <Crystufer> nibbler: Rest of it looks reasonable though with it installed to sda2, right?
[23:04] <ke1ha> manualjordon: what does it say when you ndiswrapper -l
[23:05] <nibbler> Crystufer: well, mainly its about the location and name of kernel and initrd
[23:05] <nibbler> Crystufer: if you cant boot the kernel, you can use the "e" button in grub to edit the lines
[23:05] <h2o0> Hi
[23:05] <h2o0> I've installed ubuntu 9.10 64-bit, but I've no sound, how can I fix it?
[23:06] <ke1ha> compile alsa manually or use OSS
[23:06] <h2o0> how?
[23:06] <johnm> could anyone tell me if something has changed re: users being able to setuid root recently? in that, I can't :)
[23:06] <zebastian> what is the best ubuntu app for streaming online tv
[23:06] <Crystufer> nibbler: kk. thanks.
[23:06] <barf> I did a command line install of ubuntu 9 alternate and apt-get installed deovecot-postfix
[23:07] <ke1ha> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[23:07] <barf> $ df -h
[23:07] <barf> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[23:07] <barf>  /dev/sda1             288G  896M  273G   1% /
[23:07] <zebastian> totem seems to work to slowly
[23:07] <barf> 896MB
[23:07] <teage> manueljordison_ , gksudo nautilus /etc/modprobe.d , then open file called blacklist.config and look for blacklist eth and type under it blacklist rt2800usb then restart yer computer and see if that works.
[23:07] <powergoal> manueljordison: OK.  so here is what I have found... You need to have the r8101 module in your kernel in order to use that model of wireless card.  But it doesn't seem to be built in, so you might need to rebuild your kernel on a custom build.
[23:08] <Zer> Anyone know why libvirt would never properly start up VMs on system startup?
[23:08] <h2o0> kelha: should I install alsa-driver only
[23:08] <h2o0> ?
[23:08] <Zer> It's in /etc/init.d/, so that's not the problem
[23:09] <Zer> and the daemon starts up, but it doesn't *start* anything
[23:09] <manueljordison> powergoal, it hink you are talking about module-assistant
[23:11] <ke1ha> manueljordison: which realtek is it agian ?
[23:11] <ke1ha> NVM I see it.,
[23:11] <delemi> Anyone know the terminal command to launch crossover8
[23:11] <manueljordison> kelha,RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express
[23:11] <delemi> I installed it but it does not show up
[23:11] <Some_Person> I know that only the main and restricted repositories are officially supported. But who actually provides this support?
[23:12] <yaaar> anybody round here using landscape? i just heard about it and went to the website....sure looks slick. but am i reading it right that you have to pay $150/year/node even for the standalone product that you install on your own equipment? and if so, what's a node? is that just the machine i'm installing landscape on, or is it all the machines i'm controlling with landscape?
[23:12] <delemi> node = PC
[23:13] <delemi> Have not used Landscape yet
[23:13] <yaaar> delemi: uh, both possibilities i suggested above would qualify as a "PC"
[23:13] <kermit> is it possible to unmount nfs when the server isnt reachable?
[23:13] <delemi> It would be single PC
[23:13] <ZykoticK9> kermit, i think umount has a -f for force but check man if that fails
[23:13] <kermit> ZykoticK9: that never works
[23:14] <ZykoticK9> kermit, it has for me
[23:14] <jpds> yaaar: Depends which version of Landscape you get.
[23:14] <titan_ark> is there a way to access MS Word 07 format documents on OOo?
[23:14] <ke1ha> There's several Bug reports on that Card / Model. Im looking for the work around.
[23:14] <mrpink57> titan_ark: it should already be active, should just need to open the doc.
[23:15] <Akkernight> why when I open GRUB at boot, some kernels aren't shown, specifically the ones I installed myself with .deb packages?
[23:15] <ZykoticK9> darolu, did you get an answer about Quake 3?  Yes - points release and use the Windows CD to copy a bunch of files over, you probably won't get sound though -- perhaps you could try QuakeLive, basically Quake 3 in a browser
[23:15] <titan_ark> mrpink57, no i cant. i get an error when i try to open the document and it says it will do some recovery but it doesnt do anything
[23:16] <mrpink57> titan_ark: try to reinstall Open Office then, the lastest version 3.0 is suppose to open docx files
[23:16] <darolu> ZykoticK9: Thanks, I'm already reading about it.
[23:16] <sasa_> ciao a tutti
[23:16] <darolu> Ciao sasa
[23:16] <ZykoticK9> darolu, i was trying to get ioquake3 to work the other day (which does have sound), but i failed
[23:16] <titan_ark> mrpink57, i have ver 3.1.1
[23:16] <dernen> i created a script for when my computer resumes, in /etc/acpi/resume.d/99-resume-lirc.sh, but for some reason ubuntu is not running the script upon resume, anyone know why?
[23:16] <titan_ark> whats the command for the reinstall?
[23:16] <sponzor> what user to use to login to phpmyadmin?
[23:17] <mrpink57> titan_ark: then try reinstalling, I googled it and it says it has support as of late.
[23:17] <ke1ha> manuelJordison: here a solved case:  http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8581510
[23:17] <titan_ark> okay.
[23:17] <titan_ark> mrpink57, would you know the package name?
[23:18] <jpds> yaaar: Best thing to do is to ask at https://forms.canonical.com/sales/
[23:19] <mrpink57> titan_ark: you can just do sudo apt-get remvoe then start typing open office and hit tab
[23:19] <darolu> ZykoticK9: I'll give it a try this weekend, hopefully it'll work fine.
[23:20] <mrpink57> titan_ark: its openoffice.org
[23:20] <titan_ark> mrpink57, Package openoffice.org is not installed, so not removed
[23:20] <titan_ark> whoa!
[23:20] <mrpink57> titan_ark: check in synaptic then
[23:20] <mrpink57> titan_ark: in synaptic you may even find some extension to install for docx
[23:21] <FYI> hello... is there anyway to fake a video input stream... I can do this with pulseaudio
[23:21] <FYI> cept it's an audio input stream :p
[23:21] <Chiphead2XS> sponzor, with the user you created when installing mysql-server
[23:22] <sponzor> hmm it wont login.. i will google it :)
[23:22] <titan_ark> mrpink57, it shows me openoffice in the installed and not installed also! thats weird
[23:22] <titan_ark> mrpink57, is there a way i can pastebin th eresults to you?
[23:23] <mrpink57> titan_ark: before you uninstall see if there is an extension to install for docx.
[23:23] <Gaming4JC> Hey all, I just installed the official ATI 10.1 for my Radeon HD 4870 X2, but I still don't have any graphic acceleration and it won't enable it in gnome-appearance-properties despite me having catalyst... any ideas? :/
[23:23] <Chiphead2XS> sponzor, user is root usually (if it is your machine)
[23:23] <mrpink57> titan_ark: no, it would need to come from a command line, you could send a screenshot but dont know what good it would do.
[23:23] <sn00kie> how does the ubuntu live cd autodetect the video card and load the appropriate modules?
[23:23] <Timmarshall> anyone know where to get linux game ports from???
[23:24] <mrpink57> sn00kie: my guess is a udev type feature were it seeks out what you have and goes from there.
[23:25] <Timmarshall> anyone know about linux game ports??
[23:25] <erUSUL> !games | Timmarshall
[23:25] <ke1ha> sn00kie: I believe its a genric vga driver, then lists the restricted driver at install.
[23:25] <titan_ark> mrpink57, no i cant see any extension
[23:26] <Gaming4JC> So umm, anyone know about ATI support on Ubuntu? I followed the official ATI installation instructions to a tee, no luck. :|
[23:26] <titan_ark> i mean extension for docx format
[23:26] <mrpink57> titan_ark: then I'd say either uninstall and reinstall or google about it a bit.
[23:26] <Jordan_U> ke1ha, No, vesa is only used if there is no open source driver available for the graphics card available, which is rare.
[23:26] <sn00kie> mrpink57: Maybe you can help.  I installed Ubuntu, and used remastersys to create a backup which acts as a livecd.  Only problem is, when I load that livecd into a different computer, the video drivers load fine, but they don't autodetect on any new system.  The live cd detects and graphics effects work, but my install doesn't
[23:26] <ke1ha> Ahh,. ok tnx
[23:26] <sn00kie> ke1ha: maybe you'd know to
[23:27] <Jordan_U> sn00kie, Do you use proprietary drivers?
[23:27] <sn00kie> nope
[23:27] <titan_ark> mrpink57, yes, if only reinstall would work, when i say remove it says there is nothing to remove :P
[23:27] <Mirko[CHIP]> hi
[23:27] <mrpink57> titan_ark: just remove it from in synaptic it should have a filled box showing it's installed
[23:27] <mrpink57> titan_ark: just mark for uninstall
[23:27] <Jordan_U> sn00kie, Does the resulting install ( or the liveCD image ) have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf? ( it should *not* )
[23:28] <titan_ark> mrpink57, yes, shall do that
[23:28] <titan_ark> thank you
[23:28] <sn00kie> Jordan_U: nope, no xorg.conf
[23:29] <Gaming4JC> oddly, fglrxinfo shows "X Error of failed request:  BadRequest" in terminal. :s
[23:29] <sn00kie> could it be using a different kernel driver than the one on the CD?
[23:30] <sn00kie> kernel rather
[23:31] <Jordan_U> sn00kie, Could you try booting into recovery mode on the installed system and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[23:31] <jhon> !list
[23:32] <stabu> how can i change permission on a ntfs external hd?
[23:33] <darolu> stabu: you can do it via fstab file
[23:33] <darolu> or with chmod
[23:33] <sn00kie> Jordan_U: installed system?  You mean the one I'm generating the livecd on with remastersys?
[23:34] <Gaming4JC> Ahh, is only ATI driver 9.12 supported on Ubuntu? I notice everyone is saying that version rather than 10.1...
[23:34] <[-jesus-]> Hi, I just put Ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop & need help setting up the wireless.. I know what my NIC is & was directed to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1266620
[23:34] <[-jesus-]> Idk anything about Ubuntu though so yeah I'm pretty lost :(
[23:34] <ke1ha> stabu: or you cna use the ntfs-config-tools:  udo apt-get install ntfs-config
[23:34] <Jordan_U> sn00kie, The one that you say does not boot, which if I understand correctly ( I may not ) is the one resulting from installing from the remastersys CD.
[23:34] <stabu> darolu im trying to setup jinzora but cant import the media cause the permssions, i think
[23:35] <titan_ark> argah power management!!!
[23:35] <sn00kie> Jordan_U:  Everything boots, and I can get into Gnome, however, it doesn't load anything other than the generic video card driver where the livecd actually insmods the correct driver and enables the graphical effects.
[23:36] <marcosRz> Anyone can help me with Evolution, http://i.imgur.com/nPI4k.jpg
[23:36] <marcosRz> ?
[23:36] <Jordan_U> sn00kie, Ok, can you just pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log from there then?
[23:36] <sn00kie> sure, I'll need a second.
[23:37] <Zer> *Sigh* Does anyone know of any particular dependencies for libvirtd? If I run it manually after system startup, all VMs autostart. However, they refuse to autostart at bootup.
[23:39] <_Akiyukiii> :-)
[23:39] <delemi> Anyone help with crossover 8?
[23:40] <mikeliss> Hi, I just got emerald running, but it's not showing any themes. I remember there being a theme pack of some kind, but I can't find it.
[23:40] <Gaming4JC> delemi: Try #crossover?
[23:40] <capron> some more have problem black screen after sleep using ati driver
[23:40] <erUSUL> !emerald
[23:40] <Gaming4JC> ATI Driver is totally unuseable here. :P
[23:41] <Gaming4JC> oddly it worked before
[23:41] <Gaming4JC> now it's not
[23:41] <vinse> OH! sudo su - !!
[23:41] <mikeliss> Anybody know what I'm talking about?
[23:41] <vinse> got i wish i'd known that two days ago
[23:41] <delemi> Gaming4JC I was there and received good instruction I am just having problems implementing a command they gave me
[23:41] <capron> I use emerald and compize what shud I use ?
[23:42] <blakkheim> vinse: while this is true, someone here will get mad and say "no dont use root" blahblah
[23:42] <Gaming4JC> guess I'll go back to 9.12... the ATI 10.1 isn't working ... :s
[23:42] <delemi> sh install-crossover-pro-8.0.0.sh
[23:42] <b636bc7ca> is it normal for 'du' to not work in an encrypted homedir?
[23:42] <blakkheim> b636bc7ca: works in mine
[23:42] <b636bc7ca> it gives me 0 for everything
[23:43] <delemi> sh: Can't open install-crossover-pro-<IP_ADDRESS>.sh
[23:43] <b636bc7ca> but the data is all there
[23:43] <Gaming4JC> delemi: run that in a terminal? You may need to run "sudo sh" rather than just "sh" to install as root.
[23:43] <b636bc7ca> Does anyone know of a document that will walk me through how to migrate AWAY from encrypted homedirs?
[23:43] <mikeliss> capron: I've never seen that blurb about emerald before. There is a theme pack somewhere though....
[23:43] <Viper1432> mike  try this site for more info on emerald:  http://www.webupd8.org/2009/03/ubuntu-install-themes-emerald-compiz.html
[23:43] <Gaming4JC> delemi: oh... hmm you sure the name is correct for the sh file?
[23:43] <b636bc7ca> I found some that tell you how to do go the other direction, but I'm having trouble mentally translating it in reverse
[23:43] <Gaming4JC> delemi: If it cannot find the file it isn't named correctly or doesn't exist
[23:44] <delemi> I tried $ su -
[23:44] <delemi> # sh install-crossover-pro-8.0.0.sh
[23:44] <mikeliss> Viper1432: Yeah, I saw that page, but it's not very helpful really.
[23:44] <Gaming4JC> hmm
[23:44] <Jordan_U> delemi, Do not run that script as root
[23:44] <delemi> # ls
[23:44] <delemi> Crossover.Linux.Pro.8-DJM.md5  crossover-pro_8.0.0-1_i386.deb
[23:44] <delemi> Crossover.Linux.Pro.8-DJM.nfo  crossover-pro-8.0.0-1.i386.rpm
[23:44] <delemi> Crossover.Linux.Pro.8-DJM.sfv  ia32-crossover-pro_8.0.0-1_amd64.deb
[23:44] <delemi> Crossover.Linux.Pro.8-DJM.sha  install-crossover-pro-8.0.0.sh
[23:44] <FloodBot4> delemi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:44] <delemi> # sh install-crossover-pro-<IP_ADDRESS>.sh
[23:45] <Mario_> hi
[23:45] <Mario_> i have a problem
[23:45] <lanzelloth> hi i can't install java plugin for firefox
[23:45] <Viper1432> mikeliss,  if you don't have any themes installed for emerald, there a tons over at gnome-look.
[23:45] <Jordan_U> delemi, You added an extra ".0"
[23:45] <Mario_> i am not able to paint my ubuntu
[23:45] <Mario_> i would want to paint my ubuntu
[23:45] <Jordan_U> !tab | delemi
[23:45] <titan_ark> can i use the remote desktop manager tool as for vnc also? i am able to ssh but after that unable to start a vnc session to log in to the port i connect to
[23:46] <Gaming4JC> !enter | Mario_
[23:46] <lanzelloth> augie@blue:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin
[23:46] <lanzelloth> Reading package lists... Done
[23:46] <lanzelloth> Building dependency tree
[23:46] <lanzelloth> Reading state information... Done
[23:46] <lanzelloth> sun-java6-bin is already the newest version.
[23:46] <FloodBot4> lanzelloth: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:46] <lanzelloth> augie@blue:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[23:46] <Mario_> i would want to paint my ubuntu, any idea?
[23:47] <daftykins> Mario_: paint?
[23:47] <ZykoticK9> Mario_, "paint my ubuntu" what does that mean?
[23:47] <Mario_> yes
[23:47] <Mario_> change wallpaper
[23:47] <Gaming4JC> Mario_: Paint Ubuntu? You mean create themes?... ahh
[23:47] <Gaming4JC> Mario_: Right click >> Change Desktop Background?
[23:47] <Gaming4JC> on the desktop.
[23:47] <Mario_> oh.. thank you
[23:48] <ke1ha> Jordan_U, what was the final fix for the graphics issue? Im interested in that one.
[23:48] <jack5463> My flash stopped working just now. Now i can't watch videos on youtube. ubuntu 9.10 on usb. How can I repair it?
[23:48] <Mario_> i will try to paint my ububtu with your suggest
[23:48] <delemi> ubottu, Jordan_U - Thanks i missed that. I was just an issue of bad typing. Thanks ALL.
[23:48] <jazz_> are there any tutorials on how to theme yourown self?
[23:48] <Mario_> yes it is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:48] <marcosRz> Anyone can help me with Evolution, http://i.imgur.com/nPI4k.jpg ?
[23:49] <Gaming4JC> jack5463: Reinstall flash from Synaptic? You may also want to try swfdec. :P
[23:49] <Mario_> thank you, now i am able to paint my ubuntu
[23:49] <Mario_> :)
[23:49] <Gaming4JC> Mario_: Glad it's working for you. :)
[23:49] <tempUser> I am looking for a tool to check files if there are parts missing (eg caused by defect sectors) I can not compare them by md5.
[23:49] <pfifo> Hi everyone
[23:49] <Gaming4JC> !greet pfifo
[23:49] <Mario_> oh a lot of people in this chan
[23:49] <Mario_> so much nice
[23:50] <jazz_> as much as there are cool themes in gnome look some things change i didnt want changed  or what i wanted didnt or isnt cool
[23:50] <pfifo> Gaming4JC, I thought it was !hi
[23:50] <Gaming4JC> pfifo: lol sorry I couldn't remember it. :P
[23:50] <Jordan_U> ke1ha, sn00kie just left. Last thing he said was that he would pastebin his /var/log/Xorg.0.log, maybe he is rebooting to do that?
[23:51] <jazz_> i fount a theme in synaptic i downloaded i like but it was yellow id rather  a diferent color but the wasp theme was decent
[23:51] <Gaming4JC> Hmm... so anyone mind helping me install ATI drivers on Ubuntu? Make sure it's 10.1 proprietary...
[23:51] <magn3ts> What is a good FileSystem to store data between mac/windows/linux on?
[23:51] <Aquina> Launchpad - Answers No 99985 - Any ideas?
[23:51] <ke1ha> rrr.. that's odd that LiveCD would work properly, then install incorrectly.
[23:51] <delemi> magn3ts, I have been using NTFS
[23:52] <kermit> my sound in firefox plays stuck in a loop, why?
[23:52] <delemi> magn3ts, The down fall is file permissions
[23:52] <DreaDy_HK> hi brothers i have a problem whit the document kdedrc i dont have change permisions of this document
[23:52] <Jordan_U> magn3ts, While not what I would call good, fat32 is the only filesystem that all three can write to by default ( Mac OS can read ntfs by default and ntfs-3g can be installed to add write support, Ubuntu can read and write to ntfs by default )
[23:52] <magn3ts> delemi, yeah, I think its unavoidable though. Any other choices leaves at least on other OS out
[23:53] <lanzelloth> so whenever i try to install sun-java6-plugin i get an error: broken packages
[23:53] <pfifo> ok, I have a weird question, just want to make sure its ok, on occasion I come in here and answer questions from new users, once in a great while, the solution to their problem is a file, would anyone get upset if I put files such as these on rapidshare and made an attempt at getting the 10k downloads required for a free rs account?
[23:53] <delemi> magn3ts, dual boot PC or MAC
[23:53] <magn3ts> Jordan_U, yeah, ntfs-3g is standard for me+mac anyway so I odn't mind that. It's mostly the file permissions
[23:53] <blakkheim> pfifo: that isn't for here
[23:54] <delemi> magn3ts, I mounted a NTFS directory that is in windows (my documents) in /media
[23:54] <clone1018> Any way to login to ubuntu without a keyboard?
[23:55] <blakkheim> clone1018: mind powers
[23:55] <clone1018> :D I wish
[23:55] <capron> clone1018,  Auto loggin shud work
[23:55] <clone1018> ya but
[23:55] <clone1018> I need to login now :P
[23:55] <pfifo> blakkheim, ok fair enough, plenty of other places that dont mind at all. Ill stick with the d-see-c I would normally use for this
[23:56] <tempUser> clone1018: ask someone to login via ssh and let him/her set your passwd to no passwd
[23:56] <magn3ts> hm, how does ubuntu play with hfs+?
[23:56] <Gaming4JC> clone1018: A quick google search reveals they have a virtual keyboard in the making, that presents a bit of a problem if you don't have a keyboard and you cannot login to enable autologin w/o it. Soo... tempUser's method would work... lol
[23:57] <clone1018> Dont you need an ssh server
[23:57] <capron> tempUser,  I guess he still needs to press return even if no password is used or ?
[23:57] <Gaming4JC> clone1018: Hmm yes I believe that has to be installed first? o_O bummer...
[23:57] <clone1018> lol
[23:58] <delemi> clone1018, I believe there is a program called indic
[23:58] <clone1018> still
[23:58] <joe-evans> clone1018: sorry i am comming in at the tail end of the conv' here - but is your mouse working
[23:58] <pfifo> clone1018, maybe, just add a keyboard to your system?
[23:58] <clone1018> I would have to login to the computer
[23:58] <clone1018> Yes the mouse works
[23:58] <joe-evans> then you can click to enter the tempuser yes?
[23:58] <clone1018> yes
[23:59] <Kyle_S> Hello.
[23:59] <Gaming4JC> !hi Kyle_S
[23:59] <Gaming4JC> !hi | Kyle_S
[23:59] <Kyle_S> Hopefully quick question about pulse audio.
[23:59] <lanzelloth> i keep getting this error when trying to isntall java plugin: "Depends: sun-java6-bin (=6-13-1) but 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04 is to be installed"
[23:59] <Kyle_S> How do you adjust the mic input settings?
[23:59] <magn3ts> wait, this looks like hfsplus adds full read/write for hfs+ to ubuntu, does anyone know how well it supports permissions, etc? considering that mac os x is a unix based os


[05:11] <tobiasz29> o/
[05:54] <gjm> jądroid
[15:17] <dAnjou> hi, guys. would you mind helping a fellow german ubuntu user with a tiny translation?
[15:17] <dAnjou> i'd like to know how to translate "May 4th *at* 7pm" <- the "at"
[15:20] <CookieM> into which language? if Polish, then "o"
[15:20] <dAnjou> yes, polish :P
[15:21] <dAnjou> i've read "o godz" on linguee, is that wrong then?
[15:21] <CookieM> yes, even better
[15:21] <dAnjou> ah, thank you very much :)
[15:21] <CookieM> you're welcome
[15:31] <gjm> wüngelbar