[12:03] <solt> so if i had a choice between in-kernel ntfs and ext3, i'd choose ext3. having captive-ntfs to it, i'd choose captive-ntfs
[12:03] <solt> that's my 0.03$
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: it's also very slow
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: and crappy
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: about 50% slower
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: Windows external ext3 support doesn't decrease in speed
[12:05] <solt> well, because it's a driver, not a wrapper. that's a point.
[12:05] <fatejudger> solt: which is why my setup is faster and better
[12:06] <solt> not always, you are not counting the time to shutdown/reboot/boot/copy
[12:06] <fatejudger> solt: ?
[12:06] <fatejudger> solt: why would I need to shutdown and reboot?
[12:06] <solt> copying directly gives you the opportunity, to copy to the drive, shutdown, and take it some place else :-)
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: try putting your files in "/home/windows/Windows 2000 Professional" it might be easier for you to dowload VMware Workstation Trial then create the virtual machine and then uninstall it and install VMware player
[12:06] <solt> because you'd might be taking the disk to another place (not booting it, but attaching to another computer)
[12:07] <solt> that's my scenario 2 years ago
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: right, so I might be taking my INTERNAL HD somewhere else
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: and someone or another I wouldn't have an internet connection
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: to install the Windows ext3 drivers
[12:07] <solt> :-)
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: sounds like a VERY likely scenario to me
[12:07] <solt> well, you're right.
[12:07] <Snake__> Hey guys, someone want to trouble shoot?
[12:07] <solt> hehe
[12:08] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ wine
[12:08] <Snake__> wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:08] <fatejudger> solt: and well worth the slowness associate with NTFS wrappers
[12:08] <fatejudger> solt: :P
[12:08] <sebastian> I think I am getting some where, because I just tryed it.  and got a message saying I didn't have enough disk space or whatever.  so about to change the RAM setting
[12:10] <Snake__> anyone?
[12:10] <solt> Snake__: ask da question :-)
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : how much ram do you have ? anything less than 128 for the vm will make it unusably slow
[12:10] <solt> Snake__: eg. don't ask to ask, just ask.
[12:10] <Snake__> solt: I did
[12:10] <sebastian> not sure how much RAM I have
[12:10] <sebastian> how to find out?
[12:11] <Snake__> solt: lookie:
[12:11] <holy_fool> reboot ^^
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < Snake__> Hey guys, someone want to trouble shoot?
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < solt> hehe
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ wine
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < Snake__> wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:11] <solt> Snake__: aah, sorry, my eyes are tired by now
[12:11] <me2win> !restricted
[12:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:12] <sebastian> I bet there is some command prompt command to find out how much RAM I have?
[12:12] <Snake__> sebastian: "top"
[12:12] <Guest483> hi, kann mir wohl jemand bei der live cd helfen?
[12:13] <Snake__> very informative
[12:13] <solt> sebastian: free
[12:13] <Snake__> !de
[12:13] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[12:13] <solt> wow, the bot recognized german language ?
[12:13] <Snake__> solt: smart bot aint it?
[12:13] <zangetsu001> hi
[12:13] <Snake__> :)
[12:13] <Guest483> could anyone help me with the live cd of kubuntu?
[12:13] <holy_fool> na wie geht denn das
[12:13] <holy_fool> hilfe
[12:14] <Snake__> !fr
[12:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:14] <holy_fool> it was snake
[12:14] <Snake__> hehe
[12:14] <holy_fool> =)
[12:14] <solt> my turn
[12:14] <_mindspin> !de
[12:14] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[12:14] <solt> szukam pomocy
[12:14] <Phazeman> does anybody know for some alternative to chkconfig in kubuntu/ubuntu ?
[12:14] <holy_fool> !pl
[12:14] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu.pl
[12:14] <solt> :-)
[12:14] <solt> hehe
[12:15] <holy_fool> =)
[12:15] <Snake__> anywho, i g2g guys
[12:15] <Snake__> peace
[12:15] <solt> cool, does he know anything about cyryllic
[12:15] <solt> !ru
[12:15] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. # russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[12:15] <solt> nope :-)
[12:15] <holy_fool> gotta question for what purpose do i need 4 desktops (virtual)
[12:16] <solt> holy_fool: well, if you have several windows on one desktop
[12:17] <holy_fool> im a native windows user alt+tab is my natur =)
[12:17] <solt> you may want to move one or two windows to another desktop, so as not to clutter it up
[12:17] <solt> example
[12:17] <solt> i am running amarok, a couple of terminal sessions, IM, Konversation, and say a browser
[12:18] <solt> if i am not using amarok,IM and the browser heavily i can move it to another desktop
[12:18] <holy_fool> or just minimize it, but its only my opinion
[12:18] <sNake> i didnt do nothin
[12:18] <sNake> ;)
[12:18] <sebastian> getting the message.  saying it carn't find anything to boot from again
[12:18] <sebastian> hummmmmmmm
[12:18] <holy_fool> i thought there is maybe a special purpose for it
[12:18] <solt> the point is not to minimize i think.
[12:19] <solt> anyway, you'll find out, with time all the things that are here show a reason they have been coded.
[12:19] <holy_fool> ok thx
[12:20] <solt> i wonder if dapper or dapper+1 will ship a -ck kernel
[12:20] <solt> i really see an improvement with -ck kernels
[12:20] <crimsun> no, we won't ship a -ck
[12:21] <solt> what is the reason?
[12:21] <crimsun> because one kernel source is enough headache?
[12:22] <Phazeman> can someone please suggest some kind of web based PIM server for ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[12:22] <sebastian> this is how I tell VMware player  where the ISO  yes?  ide1:0.fileName = "/home/sebastian/W2POEM_EN.iso"
[12:22] <sebastian> where the ISO is
[12:22] <Phazeman> anyone please ?
[12:23] <sebastian> ide1:0 means though?
[12:23] <_mindspin> what's a PIM server?
[12:23] <Blissex> solt: -ck kernel not bad, there are several other things that can improve things greatly.
[12:23] <solt> personal information management. i think he's referring to an application to store/access/modify/publish his personal information, like name/addresses/etc (a guess)
[12:24] <holy_fool> how do i get a write permision for /usr/share/wallpapers
[12:24] <Blissex> solt: these suggestions make a lot of difference: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051008
[12:24] <solt> well, here's what i have done: -ck kernel, prelink, ati.com drivers, turn off some effects
[12:25] <solt> Blissex: i'll check it out, thanks
[12:25] <Blissex> holy_fool: don't, put wallpapers in your own directory....
[12:25] <holy_fool> ?
[12:26] <holy_fool> than where to?
[12:26] <_mindspin> "/home/holy_fool/wallpapers"
[12:26] <bytewalker> guyz i turned the mouse accelerattion to max in system settings, but i have a touchpad and it still works SUPER slow
[12:26] <bytewalker> any ideas?
[12:26] <holy_fool> k thx
[12:27] <Phazeman> _mindspin: it;s some personal information manager
[12:27] <Phazeman> solt: yes i do
[12:28] <Blissex> holy_fool: most KDE directories have a per-user counterpart under '~/.kde/'
[12:28] <solt> ok, lower read-ahead make some sense, i am using cfq, my computer does not use swap at all, so swappiness and swap-ahead logic is kind of useless here.
[12:28] <Blissex> solt: then not much else needs doing. Perhaps this:
[12:28] <Blissex> solt: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-1st.html#060323
[12:29] <Blissex> holy_fool: have you seen the 'Get new wallpapers' in the desktop configuration panel?
[12:30] <bytewalker> !tell bytewalker about wireless
[12:30] <bytewalker> yay
[12:30] <holy_fool> hehe cool thanks
[12:30] <solt> hmm
[12:30] <Blissex> holy_fool: also, you can select wallpapers from _any_ directory. using the ''browse'' button next to 'Background:Picture'
[12:30] <solt> !tell solt about wireless
[12:30] <holy_fool> only local director
[12:30] <holy_fool> y
[12:31] <solt> :-)
[12:31] <Blissex> holy_fool: there are actually _three_ rules where to put things...
[12:31] <holy_fool> but i have an dir for wallpaper in my home dir now
[12:31] <Blissex> holy_fool: 1) under /bin, /lib ... and /usr never put stuff that you install manually, only via the package system.
[12:32] <Blissex> holy_fool: 2) for manually installed stuff that can be used by all login names, put stuff under '/usr/local'.
[12:32] <Blissex> holy_fool: 3) for manually installed stuff for one use, put it under their home dir.
[12:32] <holy_fool> hm cool thanks for the advice
[12:33] <borelia> anyone use Tor ?
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> How to change/customize the image (the big K) for the K Menu in KDE?
[12:35] <solt> Blissex: hm, this patch is not in 2.6.16 (exactly 2 months now since publishing to lkml) I won't experiment with it. Have you applied that?
[12:36] <Blissex> solt: yes and makes things a lot better when doing a lot of writes, like disk-disk backups or compiles...
[12:40] <holy_fool> isthere alsow a utton for more screensaver?
[12:41] <solt> the only i/o problems i am experiencing now are when i try to run something (like adept) having a bunch of apps running (+2 cpu-eaters: boinc+cpushare). the load is around 2 to 3. the sound is playing fine, applications all are ok, but the app that is going to be started (like adept) take soo much time to start. that's all.
[12:41] <solt> i reduced read-ahead, if it won't help, i try that patch. saving it now :-)
[12:41] <bytewalker> is therea metapackage to install all the stuff i need to compile C programs?
[12:42] <solt> bytewalker: well, just gcc should get gcc and dependencies
[12:43] <solt> this will give you gcc-4.0.1
[12:43] <solt> if you need earlier versions just fetch gcc-3.4
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : can you boot up and get the vmware bios ?
[12:44] <sebastian> I nearlly left
[12:45] <sebastian> vmware bios how to get that
[12:45] <bytewalker> is it a bad idea to use debian repositories?
[12:45] <sebastian> and I think it might be the disk that is cuasing me problems
[12:45] <bytewalker> kubuntu doesnt seem to have alot of stuff
[12:45] <solt> bytewalker: have you enabled universe and multiverse repositories?
[12:45] <sebastian> you can get loads of programs for any Linux distro
[12:48] <sebastian> I think I am going to do all this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu#head-bb5f242664002ce9fc9d070468856d05f6144e7b
[12:52] <spiritz> I'd like to use the daap:/ ioslave, however it seems to be absent from my distribution (daap:/ triggers google search). Does anyone knows more about that?
[12:52] <solt> hmm, i just noticed that some strange hosts created pages on my wiki setup. another worm? some people are just braindead
[12:52] <solt> what is daap?
[12:53] <Simian__> !daap
[12:53] <ubotu> Simian__: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:53] <solt> !42
[12:53] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, solt
[12:54] <jtshaw> heh
[12:54] <solt> intriguing...
[12:54] <Simian__> !beer
[12:54] <jtshaw> Hi Mr. ubotu, my cat's name is Beamish
[12:54] <jtshaw> :)
[12:54] <Simian__> lol
[12:54] <spiritz> solt : DAAP is the itunes music sharing protocol
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : and you didn't do it before ?
[12:55] <solt> thanks
[12:55] <Simian__> can i aks a none kubuntu question?
[12:56] <Simian__> i have been playing around with apache and i've got 1 linux box reading web pages from another over a lan, but how would i let anyone view those pages?
[12:57] <Simian__> do i need a static ip or something or can i just set it up now?
[12:57] <spiritz> Simian__: all u have to do is to give out your ip to some else so he can connect
[12:57] <sebastian> I don't understand a part of that tutorial
[12:57] <solt> Simian__: well, if you're IP is private (like <IP_ADDRESS>, or <IP_ADDRESS>) then you would need to have a DNAT rule on your router
[12:58] <Simian__> yes it's 192.168.and so on
[12:58] <solt> yes
[12:58] <sebastian> where to store the images part. that's confussing with the commands it has given so on.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu#head-bb5f242664002ce9fc9d070468856d05f6144e7b
[12:59] <solt> so, there is a router on your network that has a public IP
[12:59] <Simian__> solt:  where would i find that
[12:59] <solt> so you have to make the router forward packets incomming to it to your computer
[12:59] <solt> do you have access to the router? does it have port forwarding? is it linux by any chance?
[12:59] <sebastian> anyone go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu#head-bb5f242664002ce9fc9d070468856d05f6144e7b  and tell me what it is trying to get me to do.  the store the images part that is
[01:00] <sebastian> the commands it has given so on is confussing
[01:00] <Simian__> it's a lynksys
[01:00] <holy_fool> what packer do i use best under linux?
[01:00] <Simian__> i think that's linux isn't it?
[01:00] <sebastian> it's not being clear where to cd so on
[01:01] <solt> linksys, maybe it runs linux..., anyway what you need is to create a mapping
[01:01] <solt> let's say your public IP on the router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:01] <spiritz> Simian__: you have to connect to the admin website of ur linksys, and tell him to redirect port 80 from public internet to your webserver ip. Or you can type its ip as DMZ, so everything coming from the internet will  connect to it.
[01:02] <solt> so you have to make it forward packets from <IP_ADDRESS>, port 80 TCP to <IP_ADDRESS>, port 80 TCP
[01:02] <solt> yes, like spiritz says
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: just telling you to create some directories you could do mkdir -p ~/vmware/windows then cd ~/vmware/windows
[01:02] <Simian__> ok i think i can follow that
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : But then you would have to change the location in the config file
[01:04] <sebastian> I just done what it said
[01:04] <sebastian> in my home folder
[01:04] <sebastian> and I had some vmware folder from before
[01:05] <sebastian> the image is how much space I am going to give 2k yes?
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : whats the problem then ? If you copied just every command from the wiki then it would work
[01:06] <sebastian> that's what I should of done I guess
[01:06] <sebastian> ,but
[01:06] <sebastian> I didn't
[01:06] <Simian__> solt: my router has DMZ Host IP Address (enter address here)
[01:06] <sebastian> did the first bit, but not the last
[01:06] <Simian__> solt: is that what i'm looking for?
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : You would then have a windows installation called dapper
[01:07] <sebastian> I know obviouslly some things I will be doing differently
[01:07] <sebastian> like instead of calling the folder dapper I called it windows2000profesional for example
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : are you installing from cd or iso ?
[01:07] <sebastian> I can do either.  the CD or ISO
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> sebastian :iso is probably faster
[01:08] <holy_fool> how do i execute executable files?
[01:08] <sebastian> that's what I thought.  since it don't have to do it from a CD
[01:08] <jindiaz> hey umm which is faster to use, or easier, rpm or gz?
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : so have you made the image
[01:08] <sebastian> the image file. is how much space I give it yes?
[01:09] <sebastian> it says something about it getting bigger as more stuff goes there.  or does it mean.  when more things are put there in 2k?
[01:09] <sebastian> ,but the actsual space 2k has will be the same that I give it?
[01:11] <Simian__> how can i find out my routers ip address?
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> sebasian: just give it a fixed size
[01:11] <jindiaz> anyone?
[01:11] <sebastian> how much space doesk 2k take when it's installed?
[01:11] <sebastian> 6GB I was thinking, but that's quite a bit for 2k and well I won't be using it for much
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : mine is 4gb and hardly any of it is used
[01:12] <sebastian> 4GB
[01:12] <sebastian> sounds good
[01:12] <solt> Simian__: Um, if i understand correctly, this is a place to put your IP to make the router forward packets to. I think so. I have limited experience with these devices, i usually have computer servers running as routers, but give it a shot :-)
[01:13] <sebastian> ok the image is created now it seems
[01:13] <jindiaz> .
[01:13] <jindiaz> anyone?
[01:13] <jindiaz> .
[01:13] <solt> btw, anybody got opera9 (weekly snapshots) running on kubuntu?
[01:13] <solt> jindiaz: on kubuntu we use .deb
[01:14] <jindiaz> uh oh
[01:14] <tristanmike> jindiaz, rpm's are designed for Red Hat and the like, .deb is what we use, and .gz, bz2 are compression formats
[01:14] <jindiaz> ummm im trying to install kbarcode
[01:14] <solt> rpm is a redhat-made format, you could install software from rpm, but i would discourage
[01:14] <solt> if you can't have deb, go for tar.gz
[01:14] <solt> it propably contains sources to compile
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : I would get rid of what you don't need in windows - (sound / usb) usb makes it dog slow to bootup
[01:15] <sebastian> I want sound though
[01:15] <sebastian> for my game
[01:15] <jindiaz> ok cool thats there
[01:15] <jindiaz> ummm how do yu do that?
[01:15] <sebastian> USB you mean the USB stick for example?
[01:15] <jindiaz> sry styll new, havenmt installed anything like this yet
[01:15] <jindiaz> been primarily using adept
[01:16] <Phazeman> could someone please try sshing to phazeman.kicks-ass.net
[01:16] <Phazeman> ?
[01:16] <solt> well, tar.gz file is a compressed archive, which you should extract, and see what's in it
[01:16] <solt> it's like zip or rar, so no automatic gizmos there
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : Yeah you can still access it in linux anyway
[01:17] <solt> to uncompress a tar.gz file try in shell: tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[01:17] <solt> in case of tar.bz2 type: tar jxvf file.tar.bz2
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : Have you never thought of trying to get stuff working and then adding stuff that is not necessary afterwards
[01:17] <solt> usually these archives contain sources, and in these there might be an instruction what to do in a file called README, INSTALL or something similar
[01:17] <sebastian> not really I don't think
[01:17] <jindiaz> uhhhhh okkk.. so in the console, just type that command in?
[01:17] <solt> what is it that you are trying to extract?
[01:18] <jindiaz> o man that would be nice, let me check
[01:18] <jindiaz> kbarcode
[01:18] <solt> jindiaz: yes, provided you are in the path where that file is, if not, provide the path
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : also games under vmware are dog slow
[01:18] <solt> jindiaz: kbarcode is in the repositories, you do not have to do that
[01:19] <solt> sudo apt-get install kbarcode
[01:19] <jindiaz> AWWWWWWWWWW man, damn why didnt it come up in adept?  ok, maybe, how do yu search the repositories?  is there another way or something?
[01:19] <jindiaz> hey thanks again man btw
[01:19] <sebastian> well i'll try it on VMware.  and if it don't work good well
[01:20] <sebastian> I can either use it how it is
[01:20] <sebastian> or
[01:20] <sebastian> boot up crappy XP
[01:20] <sebastian> dual boot that is
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> sebastian what game is it ?
[01:20] <sebastian> an old game so shoudn't be to bad under VMware I expect.  altough they  come out with a lot of patches now
[01:20] <sebastian> have done
[01:20] <sebastian> Worms Armaggeddon
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: just give me the location of the files and I will write a config file for you to try in a min
[01:24] <solt> jindiaz: apt-cache search kbarcode
[01:24] <solt> apt-cache search <phrase>
[01:24] <solt> :-)
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : what the filename for the disk and iso are (and there locations)
[01:25] <sebastian> oh right
[01:25] <sebastian> ok
[01:27] <chouette> hiho
[01:28] <jindiaz> ooooooooooooo really!  cool, thanks man!
[01:29] <chouette> Can someone help me to make my heaphones work ? sound works but the headphone doesnt...is there something to do so it can be recognize ?
[01:31] <sebastian> ok    /home/sebastian/vmware/qemu-Windows2000Professional.vmdk and /home/sebastian/W2POEM_EN.ISO  I hope the ISO will work.  since I was sent it from someone in Canada :D
[01:32] <sebastian> 1
[01:34] <sebastian> still here h3sp4wn?
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> yep
[01:34] <sebastian> so doing the file?
[01:35] <sebastian> can 2k in vmware.  for sound use Linux?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> maybe
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> it can in linux I don't know whether it can with arts or esd
[01:36] <sebastian> by the wy where you from and how old?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> England 24
[01:37] <sebastian> England 18 I am.  where in England?
[01:37] <solt> i bet you guys are neighbours :-)
[01:37] <solt> or better yet: brothers
[01:37] <sebastian> brothers nah.
[01:37] <sebastian> my brother is to ignorant at computers to be in here
[01:38] <sebastian> :d
[01:39] <chouette> and if someone know how to install java...i found a lot of java things whit Adept but i dont know wich one is useful to install Java runtime environnmt ?
[01:40] <sebastian> Java never liked installing that on Windows.  on Linux it can be a bit of a thing to hummm
[01:40] <sebastian> Java
[01:40] <sebastian> you want for your browser yes
[01:40] <sebastian> you use Firefox or?
[01:41] <chouette> yes, but for somme applications too
[01:41] <chouette> yes firefox
[01:41] <sebastian> well I got it installed for my FIrefox and stuff
[01:42] <sebastian> this should be of help:  http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#q2.2
[01:43] <sebastian> h3sp4wn still here?  I thought you said you were going to make me a file?
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10733 - save it as qemu-Windows2000Professional.vmx
[01:44] <sebastian> ok
[01:44] <sebastian> cheers
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> You are pretty impatient and starting to annoy me
[01:44] <sebastian> :D
[01:47] <sebastian> you forgot/missed ide0:0.fileName = "vmware-dapper.vmdk"  ,but I know what to change that to
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> Its what happens if you try to something quickly (doing something else that has to have priority)
[01:48] <sebastian> what else you doing?
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> doesn't matter
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : so has that worked ?
[01:51] <sebastian> about to edit the file
[01:52] <sebastian> hummmm  ide0:0.fileName = "vmware-dapper.vmdk"
[01:52] <sebastian> and
[01:52] <sebastian> ide1:0.fileName = "/home/sebastian/vmware/qemu-Windows2000Professional.vmdk"
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> change the second one to the path to the iso
[01:52] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[01:53] <sebastian> the second is the ISO and the first is the vmdk file?
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> anyone care to help with a DVD question?
[01:54] <sebastian> you carn't play DVD's on Kubuntu or Ubuntu yes?
[01:54] <KaoticEvil> dont see why you couldnt
[01:55] <sebastian> is that your problem
[01:55] <sebastian> they won't play?
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> as long as you have the codecs installed, they should play fine
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10736 : thats the fixed one
[01:55] <sebastian> oh right you do have the codecs installed
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> i need to make an image of the DVD on my harddrive
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> basically, rip the entore disc
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> entire*
[01:55] <sebastian> I carn't really help you.  since I Haven't even bothered to set up DVD's on Ubuntu yet :D
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> any suggestions/recommendations on an app to use/try?
[01:56] <sebastian> K3B is a good  CD burning program
[01:56] <sebastian> maybe it makes ISO's to
[01:56] <chouette> What should i chose if i want to install Java from here ? http://java.com/fr/download/index.jsp
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> i tried that...
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> it wont rip a DVD
[01:56] <chouette> http://java.com/fr/download/linux_manual.jsp here sorry
[01:56] <verwilst> congratulations!! :D
[01:56] <sebastian> I don't know French so
[01:56] <verwilst> oh
[01:56] <verwilst> sorry
[01:57] <verwilst> wrong channel
[01:57] <verwilst> hehe
[01:57] <sebastian> rip you mean copy?
[01:57] <sebastian> or make into the ISO?
[01:57] <KaoticEvil> it wont read it at all
[01:58] <sebastian> you want to copy a DVD?
[01:58] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[01:58] <sebastian> GnomeBaker is a CD/DVD writer
[01:58] <sebastian> Gnome :d
[01:58] <sebastian> and your using Kubuntu with KDE aren't you?
[01:58] <sebastian> ,but you can run Gnome Baker on Kubuntu anyway I think
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> i'd be happy enough to just reauthor it to include only the main title and then make that into an iso format that will fit on a DVD5-R
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> actually, ive got gnome installed as well :)
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> but yes, it would run on KDE even without gnom installed
[02:00] <sebastian> I think GnomeBaker will
[02:00] <sebastian> haven't used myself
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : are you going to try it it should work I can't be bothered messing around
[02:00] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: hi :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hey KaoticEvil
[02:00] <sebastian> yes I will try it now.  was helping this guy
[02:00] <Hobbsee> they screwed the latest version of wpasupplicant!
[02:00] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:00] <KaoticEvil> that sucks :(
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: you know kubuntu pretty good... would GnomeBaker do what i need?
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> i need to reauthor a DVD and burn it to an ISO
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> its gotta fit on a DVD5-R
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hmm...i've never used gnomebaker
[02:01] <Hobbsee> k3b is pretty good for burning though
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> know of a KDE app that would do it?
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> it wont rip the DVD tho
[02:02] <KaoticEvil> my g/f has netflix man...
[02:02] <KaoticEvil> do the math ;)
[02:02] <sebastian> what am I calling the file
[02:03] <chouette> .rpm are for all Linux distributions  ?
[02:03] <sebastian> something .vmx I guess
[02:03] <sebastian> .rpm is not for Ubuntu/Kubuntu or Debian
[02:03] <sebastian> ,but there is a program called Alien that can get them working
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> .vmx
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> the same as you called the disk
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> .vmx
[02:03] <sebastian> ok
[02:03] <chouette> How do i install something from a rpm pls ?
[02:04] <sebastian> isant' there a tar.gz or something of the program you want?
[02:04] <chouette> yes there is one
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> apt-get install alien ; alien *.rpm
[02:05] <chouette> But i dont know how to use tar.gz too
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -i *.deb
[02:05] <chouette> i only know apt-get
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> you need to use alien to convert an rpm to a deb
[02:05] <chouette> apt-get install alien ; alien *.rpm >> this with the name of the rpm instead of * ?
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> yes
[02:06] <KaoticEvil> hmmm.. if i install dvdrtoold, it might work :D
[02:06] <jindiaz> hey anyone knoe a good fan speed monitor?
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> then dpkg -i name of the new deb
[02:06] <sebastian> saved the file now i'll try it
[02:08] <jindiaz> actually, how do you install a .bz2 file?
[02:08] <jindiaz> ive never installed from source
[02:09] <solt> bz2 is an archive
[02:09] <sebastian> how to install Linux software
[02:09] <solt> like zip
[02:09] <sebastian> http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:09] <solt> you don't install zip files
[02:09] <solt> you unpack them
[02:10] <sebastian> how to install LInux software:  http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:10] <solt> jindiaz: why aren't you using the kubuntu package for kbarcode?
[02:10] <jindiaz> hahaha yah i got that one, im trying out kprobe now
[02:10] <solt> oh
[02:10] <jindiaz> ive been looking for something similar to the asus version
[02:10] <jindiaz> this looks pretty good, wanna give it a test spin
[02:10] <solt> well then
[02:10] <solt> tar jxvf file.tar.bz2
[02:10] <solt> cd file
[02:11] <sebastian> hummmmmmmm not a valid virtual machien file
[02:11] <solt> if that's the directory name
[02:11] <sebastian> hummmmmmm
[02:11] <solt> and look for INSTALL or README files
[02:11] <jindiaz> yah the readme says nothing
[02:11] <__mikem> Hello
[02:11] <solt> usually if the source is written to use autoconf and automake the installation boils down to 3 commands
[02:11] <solt> ./configure
[02:11] <solt> make
[02:11] <solt> sudo make install
[02:12] <solt> well, try to look on the website for help
[02:12] <solt> it's a common practice to put installation information on the website and in the tarball (tar file)
[02:12] <__mikem> does anyone know if there are torture test programs like prime95 available for linux
[02:13] <jindiaz> ok cool, umm can yu like help me thru this so i get a feel for it for the future
[02:13] <__mikem> I need to know if my laptop is stable
[02:13] <chouette> how do i know the name of the deb i create with alien ?
[02:14] <sebastian> you mean the rpm
[02:14] <sebastian> deb is Ubuntu Kubuntu Debian so on
[02:14] <sebastian> RPM is Fedora Core  Mandrake/Mandriva so on
[02:14] <sebastian> Redhat
[02:14] <jindiaz> soooooooooo i just write sudo make install into the terminal?
[02:14] <chouette> well i create a deb from a rpm
[02:14] <sebastian> look at this link jindiaz
[02:14] <sebastian> http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : get vmware-workstation (If you have already pirated windows 2000 from canada it shouldn't be an issue for you) it will give you it in a nice hold your hand type way
[02:14] <sebastian> it tells you what to do
[02:14] <jindiaz> ok ill check it out
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> it will be the same as the rpm name with .deb on the end
[02:15] <sebastian> I will just edit one of the already made files
[02:15] <sebastian> .vmx
[02:15] <sebastian> and then it should work I hope
[02:15] <sebastian> altough I have thought about maybe piraitng the actasul VMware workstation
[02:15] <sebastian> pirating
[02:15] <sebastian> or buying
[02:15] <sebastian> ,but it's rather expensive
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> you install it using dpkg -i (install the deb with dpkg -i)
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> get the trial and then create the virtual machine then you don't even need it anymore
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> I only have it because someone else paid for it.
[02:17] <jindiaz> erm, how do i make it find the directory, its on my desktop
[02:17] <ryanakca> hmmm.. just checking, but is this conversation ummm... "legal" ?
[02:17] <[Nige] > hello
[02:18] <sebastian> which convo :D
[02:18] <sebastian> are Microsoft 100% legal.  uhmmmmmmm no.  they have broken loads of anti trust laws.  hence why the Europen Commision and so on have tryed to sue them
[02:20] <__mikem> someday linux will take the man (microsoft) down. Haven't you heard the news, they are afraid of us, they are terified
[02:20] <darkmatter137> hello
[02:20] <__mikem> lol
[02:20] <ryanakca> lol
[02:20] <darkmatter137> can someone help me with installing kubuntu dapper drake from a dvd?
[02:20] <[Nige] > does anyone know how to get daul screens and different backgrounds for each monitor working in kubuntu / kde?
[02:20] <sebastian> so pirating 2000 when someone has legal 98 and XP.  I mean so what really.
[02:20] <sebastian> 2000 being like a cross between 98 and XP
[02:21] <darkmatter137> I cant get it to recognize my hard drives
[02:21] <__mikem> um, a lot of dvd drives don't support booting from dvd yet
[02:21] <darkmatter137> oh, it boots from it fine
[02:21] <darkmatter137> loads live fine
[02:21] <__mikem> oh, interesting
[02:21] <__mikem> so what goes wrong
[02:21] <sebastian> Dapper Drake is still in Alpha
[02:21] <sebastian> it's not been released yet
[02:21] <sebastian> June 1st
[02:21] <sebastian> for the Ubuntu one
[02:21] <darkmatter137> ok, the live cd works fine, but when I tell it to install it says device not recognized
[02:21] <ryanakca> Alpha means its still buggy/being tested
[02:21] <jindiaz> argh....
[02:22] <sebastian> yep that's right ryanakca
[02:22] <jindiaz> ok how do i install this thing from the desktop?
[02:22] <ryanakca> hmmm... what device?
[02:22] <darkmatter137> I have a fresh secondary hard drive that i bought specifically for linux
[02:22] <darkmatter137> 250gb
[02:22] <sebastian> altough with open source.  most programs.  when they are in Alpha.  are pretty damn stable so on
[02:22] <jindiaz> the website isnt helping much
[02:22] <jindiaz> lol
[02:22] <__mikem> darkmatter137 does the installer at some point ask you what device/partition you want to install ubuntu on?
[02:23] <darkmatter137> no
[02:23] <ryanakca> jindiaz: what thing?
[02:23] <darkmatter137> you boot from the cd and it gives you several options
[02:23] <chouette> Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot). >> It says this when i want to convert with Alien
[02:23] <darkmatter137> live cd, install, install in oem mode, check disk
[02:23] <__mikem> what are those options
[02:23] <sebastian> sudo you mean?
[02:23] <darkmatter137> install server
[02:23] <sebastian> yes you have to sudo
[02:24] <__mikem> ok, so you do install I assume, then what happens
[02:24] <jindiaz> this kprobe app
[02:24] <sebastian> fake root no such thing.  it's called sudo.  and that's root, but for only that thing
[02:24] <jindiaz> ive never installed from a bz2 file
[02:24] <ryanakca> eh hunh. ah, I see
[02:24] <ryanakca> ok
[02:24] <ryanakca> open a console
[02:24] <jindiaz> kool
[02:24] <sebastian> http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:24] <sebastian> go here jindiaz
[02:24] <jindiaz> no man, ive tried that
[02:24] <jindiaz> lol
[02:24] <chouette> ok now it says file not found lol..
[02:24] <jindiaz> it didnt like work
[02:24] <darkmatter137> I do install, it says device not recognized, i the command line to install to hda, hdb, hdc, hdd, hda1, hdb1, hdc1, hdd1
[02:24] <jindiaz> hjahaha
[02:24] <ryanakca> thanks sebastian
[02:25] <ryanakca> !didnt work
[02:25] <ubotu> ryanakca: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:25] <chouette> I dled the file to my desktop..
[02:25] <darkmatter137> I change*
[02:25] <jindiaz> do i have to put something to make it install from the desktop
[02:25] <jindiaz> ?
[02:25] <__mikem> do you know what the name of the secondary hd is
[02:25] <ryanakca> jindiaz, please be specific
[02:25] <jindiaz> tar xzvf kprobe-0.2a.tar.bz2
[02:25] <jindiaz> i put that
[02:25] <darkmatter137> well, in windows its "new volume (F)
[02:25] <ryanakca> even though it would be uber uber cool, I cant read your mind
[02:26] <ryanakca> ah
[02:26] <jindiaz> but it didnt work, how do i make it specfifc to the deskjtiop?
[02:26] <__mikem> it is probably hdb
[02:26] <jindiaz> hahahahahahaha
[02:26] <darkmatter137> and my main hd is C
[02:26] <jindiaz> yah that would be mad helpful
[02:26] <darkmatter137> I tried hdb
[02:26] <darkmatter137> and hdb1
[02:26] <darkmatter137> but it wouldnt recognize
[02:26] <darkmatter137> :/
[02:26] <__mikem> are you sure those drives are mounted
[02:26] <ryanakca> I see, zxvf means extract gzipped file, extract tar file, verbose, use archive file
[02:27] <darkmatter137> is the breezy badger installer easier?
[02:27] <darkmatter137> mounted?
[02:27] <__mikem> the breezy badger installer is easier atleast on cd, never tred dvd
[02:27] <ryanakca> you want "tar xvfj kprobe-0.2a.tar.bz2"
[02:27] <jindiaz> ummmm ok... what does that mean exactly, relative newb here.  lol
[02:27] <jindiaz> ok let me try that
[02:27] <__mikem> mounted means is the hard drive loaded and accessable by the computer
[02:27] <__mikem> basicly
[02:27] <darkmatter137> yes
[02:27] <darkmatter137> by my windows system
[02:27] <ryanakca> tar zxvf is for whatever.tar.gz , tar xvfj is for whatever.tar.bz2
[02:28] <darkmatter137> I want to dual boot you see
[02:28] <solt> does anybody know if dapper is goind to have glibc-2.4 ?
[02:28] <darkmatter137> actually, I have the choice of OSX, vista, or linux
[02:28] <darkmatter137> but i chose linux
[02:28] <__mikem> yes, do me a favor, go into the bios and tell me if that drive is a master or a slave
[02:28] <sebastian> you want to dual boot Linux and Windows?
[02:28] <[Nige] > does anyone know how to get daul screens and different backgrounds for each monitor working in kubuntu / kde?
[02:28] <[Nige] > sorry
[02:28] <sebastian> you have a Mac with OS X?
[02:28] <jindiaz> oooooooooo ic ic, wow thats some usful info, going in my notepad, but umm yah that didnt work either
[02:28] <darkmatter137> no
[02:28] <jindiaz> lol
[02:28] <[Nige] > I need to get new repos for kde
[02:28] <darkmatter137> I have a PC
[02:28] <darkmatter137> but, in front of me
[02:28] <sebastian> you have Linux and the Vista Beta on a PC?  and Mac OS X on a Mac?
[02:28] <ryanakca> lol
[02:29] <jindiaz> tar: kprobe-0.2a.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[02:29] <jindiaz> styll got that msg again
[02:29] <darkmatter137> I have the disks for, Vista, OS X, and Dapper Drake kubuntu
[02:29] <[Nige] > good place to find them? I want to upgrade to kde 3.5
[02:29] <darkmatter137> and i chose kubuntu
[02:29] <darkmatter137> to dual boot with my xp
[02:29] <__mikem> darkmatter please go into the bios and tell me if your secondary drive is a master or a slave
[02:29] <koolatron> jindiaz: bunzip2 it first
[02:29] <darkmatter137> mikem
[02:29] <sebastian> I thought you said your dual boot wasn't working
[02:29] <sebastian> ok nevermind
[02:29] <darkmatter137> how would i do that?
[02:29] <__mikem> reboot the computer
[02:29] <sebastian> you want to dual boot with XP?
[02:29] <ryanakca> this channel is scrolling to fast
[02:29] <darkmatter137> k
[02:29] <solt> jindiaz: he's getting no such file, so he's not in the directory where the tar.bz2 file is
[02:29] <ryanakca> heh
[02:29] <solt> either cd to that directory
[02:30] <darkmatter137> then what?
[02:30] <__mikem> hit f1 several times when its flashing the memory
[02:30] <koolatron> solt: ha
[02:30] <solt> or proide a full path
[02:30] <darkmatter137> k
[02:30] <__mikem> did a screen come up
[02:30] <darkmatter137> well, i only have 1 comp
[02:30] <darkmatter137> lol
[02:30] <__mikem> oops
[02:30] <darkmatter137> im writing this down
[02:30] <solt> ok, gotta sleep
[02:31] <solt> bye bye
[02:31] <darkmatter137> bye
[02:31] <__mikem> if the f1 key doesn't work, try the del key
[02:31] <darkmatter137> k
[02:31] <__mikem> my reasoning is, the drive MUST be a secondary master in order for you to install any OS on it
[02:32] <darkmatter137> hmm
[02:32] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:32] <darkmatter137> if it isnt
[02:32] <darkmatter137> can i change it somehow without opening the case and changing the hardware?
[02:32] <__mikem> you should be able to set it as one in the bios
[02:32] <darkmatter137> k
[02:32] <darkmatter137> :)
[02:32] <darkmatter137> that makes me happy
[02:32] <__mikem> be careful when your doing that though
[02:32] <darkmatter137> why?
[02:32] <__mikem> Id have someone supervise you when your in the bios because if you don't know what your doing you can screw things up badly
[02:33] <darkmatter137> how badly?
[02:33] <__mikem> windows won't boot badly
[02:33] <darkmatter137> damn
[02:33] <darkmatter137> :/
[02:33] <darkmatter137> even if im not messing with my windows hard drive?
[02:33] <darkmatter137> I have absolutely nothing on this hard drive
[02:34] <__mikem> any mistake you make is reversable
[02:34] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:34] <darkmatter137> what mistakes might I make?
[02:34] <darkmatter137> so I am forewarned
[02:34] <__mikem> you might accidently set your primary master as a slave, you might accidently turn on network boot,
[02:35] <darkmatter137> k
[02:35] <__mikem> or
[02:35] <darkmatter137> but if i turn primary master to slave, then i just go back and turn it to master
[02:35] <darkmatter137> right?
[02:35] <__mikem> yes, anything you do can be reversed, so remember what you did
[02:35] <darkmatter137> k
[02:35] <__mikem> and having someone supervise you wouldn't hurt
[02:36] <darkmatter137> i dont have anyone to supervise me
[02:36] <darkmatter137> I wish I did
[02:36] <__mikem> do you have the instruction manual
[02:36] <darkmatter137> for my hd or for my motherboard?
[02:37] <__mikem> for the bios
[02:37] <darkmatter137> I have the instructions for my motherboard right next to me
[02:37] <darkmatter137> um
[02:37] <darkmatter137> i didnt know there was instructions
[02:37] <darkmatter137> I thought it was universal
[02:37] <__mikem> look in the motherboard manual
[02:37] <darkmatter137> k
[02:37] <darkmatter137> chapter 4, bios setup
[02:38] <__mikem> briliant
[02:38] <frank23> for what? I think the only way to change a drive from master to slave is to change to jumper on the drive
[02:38] <__mikem> only if its specifically jumpered a certain way
[02:38] <__mikem> I am hoping that its not set by the jumpers
[02:39] <darkmatter137> if its sata isnt it cable select always?
[02:39] <darkmatter137> i know how to change the jumpers for an ultra ata
[02:39] <darkmatter137> but there are none for sata
[02:39] <darkmatter137> right?
[02:39] <frank23> darkmatter137: oh... I've never even seen a sata drive
[02:39] <__mikem> darkmatter137 I am not really a hardware guy
[02:40] <darkmatter137> k
[02:40] <__mikem> I can only tell you that that drive must be a secondary master before you can install the os on it
[02:42] <__mikem> frank, it shouldn't matter what kind of drive it is, but I don't know how I am going to walk him through making the necessary system changes without knowing what kind of system he has
[02:42] <__mikem> frank123 did you get that
[02:42] <frank23> what is the problem exactly?
[02:42] <darkmatter137> what kind of system?
[02:43] <__mikem> he can't get the install cd for drapper to see his secondary hard drive
[02:43] <__mikem> I surmised that the drive is probably not designated as a master
[02:43] <darkmatter137> I cant get it to see any hard drive though
[02:43] <__mikem> ???
[02:43] <__mikem> any at all
[02:43] <darkmatter137> nope
[02:43] <__mikem> not even the main drive
[02:43] <darkmatter137> nope
[02:43] <frank23> darkmatter137: can the 2nd drive be seen by windows?
[02:43] <darkmatter137> frank, yes
[02:44] <__mikem> Id say try an install CD at this point as apposed to a dvd because if it doesn't see any of your drives then your bios settings are NOT the issue
[02:45] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:45] <frank23> darkmatter137: my guess is that the hardware setup is correct. the problem might be with the installer, sata controller maybe?
[02:45] <__mikem> I assume you downloaded that dvd as an ISO
[02:46] <__mikem> right?
[02:46] <frank23> what is the motherboard model?
[02:47] <darkmatter137> asus P4800-E Deluxe
[02:47] <__mikem> I use an asus motherboard in my for my amd64
[02:47] <darkmatter137> yeah, im downloading the cd right now
[02:47] <darkmatter137> for breezy
[02:48] <darkmatter137> just go mainstream, hopefully it will be easier
[02:48] <__mikem> The CD shouldn't have any such problems
[02:48] <__mikem> and should be much easier
[02:48] <darkmatter137> do you know if there is a way to know if my secondary is slave or master from within windows?
[02:48] <darkmatter137> I get nervous talking about bios
[02:48] <__mikem> no, but as I said, if its not seeing any of your drives, that may not be the imediate problem
[02:49] <darkmatter137> k
[02:49] <__mikem> as far as the breezy cd goes, all you need to do is follow the prompts, and the most difficult thing it will ask you is what language youw want your installation to use by default
[02:49] <darkmatter137> oh, hmm, I dont see the secondary in my boot menu
[02:49] <darkmatter137> could that mean its slave?
[02:50] <__mikem> not sure what a "boot menu" is, what do you mean
[02:50] <darkmatter137> like, when I choose which device to boot from, such as live cds
[02:50] <__mikem> yes, it is posible
[02:50] <darkmatter137> damn
[02:50] <__mikem> um, but not definite
[02:50] <darkmatter137> when I dual boot, will that be how I do it?
[02:51] <darkmatter137> or is there a graphical or some other interface
[02:51] <darkmatter137> that i can use
[02:51] <__mikem> it depends on how you have it set up, some BIOSes can be configured so it gives you a menu at startup
[02:52] <darkmatter137> but that would probably mean major surgery
[02:52] <__mikem> yes
[02:52] <darkmatter137> right..
[02:52] <__mikem> as I said, you really need to know what your doing
[02:53] <darkmatter137> so, when I use this installer cd, if its a slave drive, it will tell me?
[02:53] <__mikem> if its a slave drive, chances are it won't even show up when it prompts you to choose where to install ubuntu
[02:53] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:53] <__mikem> if it shows up, its a good sign
[02:54] <frank23> darkmatter137: you can go into the bios and check though. If you choose exit without saving to exit the bios. there is no way you can screw up anything
[02:54] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:54] <darkmatter137> well, im well into downloading the iso for breezy
[02:54] <__mikem> the manual should atleast tell you how to get in
[02:54] <darkmatter137> so ill get that done first
[02:55] <__mikem> frank123 I was actually more worried about what would happen if he touched the clock speed
[02:55] <darkmatter137> for my cpu's?
[02:55] <__mikem> yes
[02:56] <frank23> well I don't think it's that easy to accidentaly change bios settings
[02:56] <__mikem> in my old system, the boot sequence and the clock speed were dubiously placed in the same menu
[02:56] <__mikem> I forget what kind it was
[02:56] <frank23> __mikem: lol
[02:56] <darkmatter137> I looked at some screenshots in my manual
[02:56] <darkmatter137> i should be fine
[02:57] <darkmatter137> hard drives in one box
[02:57] <darkmatter137> everything is separated
[02:57] <__mikem> cool, you said, you had an asus motherboard
[02:57] <darkmatter137> most damage i could do would be to change raid settings or something
[02:57] <darkmatter137> yeah
[02:57] <__mikem> Yes, I do to
[02:58] <__mikem> I have an amd64 running at 3Ghz
[02:58] <__mikem> in that box
[02:58] <darkmatter137> overclocked?
[02:58] <__mikem> no
[02:58] <darkmatter137> never heard of a 3ghz amd
[02:58] <darkmatter137> fx60 or something?
[02:58] <frank23> __mikem: do you mean 3000+
[02:58] <__mikem> yup
[02:58] <darkmatter137> thats not 3ghz
[02:58] <darkmatter137> thats like 2.13
[02:59] <darkmatter137> or something
[02:59] <darkmatter137> but dont worry
[02:59] <darkmatter137> it would pwn a p4 at 3ghz
[02:59] <frank23> my 3200+ is 2.2 GHz
[02:59] <__mikem> my dad said specifically when he bought the thing it runs at 3 ghz
[02:59] <__mikem> now, I can check if you want
[03:00] <frank23> __mikem: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:00] <__mikem> its a windows machine, I am on my laptop right now
[03:01] <__mikem> hmm, your right, its only running at 2.1 right now
[03:01] <__mikem> Oh well, I can try overclocking it later
[03:01] <__mikem> if my dad lets me
[03:02] <darkmatter137> heh
[03:02] <darkmatter137> if it works fine, why risk it?
[03:03] <__mikem> for the fun of it, and I will ofcourse use caution when doing so
[03:03] <darkmatter137> hmm, interesting
[03:03] <__mikem> brb
[03:03] <darkmatter137> looks like linux is already making a move on ps3
[03:03] <frank23> __mikem: yeah if you make sure the system stays rock stable, the cpu should be ok.
[03:03] <darkmatter137> support for cell processors in 2.6.16
[03:04] <ubuntu> ..
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ..
[03:04] <ubuntu> ...
[03:04] <darkmatter137> /
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ...
[03:04] <darkmatter137> .
[03:04] <ubuntu> ....
[03:04] <darkmatter137> .....
[03:04] <ubuntu> ......
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ........
[03:04] <ubuntu> ..........
[03:04] <frank23> __mikem: the problem is if you overclocked cpu is stable in the winter, it might not be in the summer
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ................
[03:04] <ubuntu> .............................
[03:04] <frank23> stop that! ;)
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ...............................................................
[03:04] <ubuntu> .
[03:04] <darkmatter137> haha
[03:04] <darkmatter137> sorry
[03:05] <ubuntu> lol anyways i have a question
[03:05] <ubuntu> i am running kubuntu from a cd...
[03:05] <ubuntu> how the heck do i install win32 codecs
[03:05] <frank23> !tell ubuntu about restricted
[03:05] <ubuntu> i own windows xp so it shouldnt be a copyright issue
[03:06] <__mikem> right now, I have the fans set on low, so I can always do that
[03:06] <__mikem> set them higher I mean
[03:07] <__mikem> as you can tell, I aint a hardware guy
[03:07] <frank23> ubuntu: I finally understand why so many people named ubuntu come the channel. It's because the run the live cd. I previously thought they were idiots for naming themselves ubuntu.
[03:07] <frank23> It finally makes sense
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:07] <ubuntu> i apologize... ill change th enick
[03:07] <ubuntu> lol
[03:07] <__mikem> lol, I figured that out a long ime ago
[03:07] <frank23> ubuntu: no no it's fine
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> I never really thought about it.
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:08] <__mikem> ubuntu, don't worry I don't mind
[03:08] <frank23> !tell ubuntu about restricted
[03:09] <__mikem> once, I went into VMware, took a system snap shot, and typed "sudo rm -r ~" just to see what what it would be like
[03:09] <ubuntu> thanks
[03:09] <ubuntu> this is the first time im on linux... so all this code stuff makes nil sense to me lol
[03:09] <__mikem> rm -r ~ means remove everything from your home dirrectory
[03:09] <ubuntu> but i have to say i never realized how efficent ubuntu os are compared to windows
[03:09] <ubuntu> i was always a windows user
[03:10] <__mikem> all linux distributions are good, its just a matter of learning how to use them
[03:10] <ubuntu> lol i cant even install realplayer...
[03:10] <__mikem> its like learning how to drive a stick shift after driving an automatic for so long
[03:11] <ubuntu> it said save at desktop and unpack and then type ./realplayer10gold.bin or something
[03:11] <__mikem> you can't rely on the os doing a lot of the greasy stuff for you
[03:11] <__mikem> yes
[03:11] <ubuntu> do i open a terminal window for this?
[03:11] <__mikem> no you don't
[03:11] <ubuntu> when i do that it cant find the file or folder
[03:11] <__mikem> not yet anyway
[03:11] <__mikem> ubuntu, rightclick on the ,bin file
[03:11] <__mikem> and go to properties
[03:11] <frank23> ubuntu: you should follow the instructions in the link I sent you
[03:11] <ubuntu> i apologize... i have no clue abt this so bear with me lol
[03:11] <ubuntu> ok
[03:11] <ubuntu> thanks alot
[03:11] <__mikem> go to permissions
[03:12] <__mikem> in properties
[03:12] <ubuntu> k
[03:12] <__mikem> and check all three check boxes under the word executable
[03:12] <sebastian> ubuntu
[03:12] <sebastian> forget realplayer
[03:12] <sebastian> use Mplayer instead :)
[03:12] <frank23> ubuntu: It's always preferable to install software with synaptic. If its not there, use a .deb file. or compile from source.
[03:12] <sebastian> that's not WIndows Media Player by the way
[03:12] <ubuntu> lol i figured
[03:13] <__mikem> sebastian, don't patronize the newb
[03:13] <sebastian> Mplayer can play like all the audio types
[03:13] <ubuntu> i understand frank... but my programming or usage experience in linux is nil...
[03:13] <__mikem> ubuntu, what kind of programming do you do
[03:13] <ubuntu> whats synaptic...
[03:13] <sebastian> your using Gnome or KDE Ubuntu?
[03:13] <ubuntu> none... used to do javascripting, vb asp and html
[03:13] <__mikem> its the package manager for gnome
[03:13] <sebastian> Ubuntu or Kunbutu?
[03:14] <frank23> ubuntu: You don't to be able to program. Using the terminal is useful and you'll learn over time. you can do most things without it if you want as well
[03:14] <ubuntu> im using kubuntu
[03:14] <sebastian> then you should of called yourself kubuntu since people think your using Ubuntu since you called yourself Ubuntu
[03:14] <ubuntu> how do i install mplayer?
[03:14] <__mikem> I am actually prety new to linux myself, but I got a nice book called he Linux Bible by Christopher Negus
[03:14] <frank23> ubuntu: oh yeah the kubuntu equivalent is adept but I like synaptic better
[03:14] <kubuntu_noob> there we go
[03:15] <__mikem> lol, talk about low selfesteme
[03:15] <__mikem> lol
[03:15] <kubuntu_noob> hey first day
[03:15] <kubuntu_noob> on linux
[03:15] <kubuntu_noob> im sure u guys were learning too on ur first day :)
[03:15] <__mikem> I still am learning actually
[03:15] <sebastian> same here
[03:15] <sebastian> used LInux for about two years though
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> as am I
[03:16] <kubuntu_noob> well im trying to install realplayer... and run those damn videos and mp3s
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> used linux for a few months.
[03:16] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:16] <sebastian> ah ha
[03:16] <sebastian> just rememberd
[03:16] <__mikem> hey sebastian, what is the actual name of the package for mplayer
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> mplayer
[03:16] <sebastian> there is a good page on the wiki
[03:16] <sebastian> Ubuntu wiki
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> I think
[03:16] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: I remember at first the file system organisation totally scared me!
[03:16] <sebastian> about getting MP3's so on to work
[03:16] <kubuntu_noob> it is scaring me!
[03:17] <sebastian> I used Gnome first :)
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> im like wtf is going on... where is th emy computer gone?
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:17] <sebastian> KDE yuck
[03:17] <__mikem> KDE yum
[03:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup, mplayer
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> is there a noob site for installing this stuff?
[03:17] <sebastian> i'll get the link for getting mp3's so on to work on Ubuntu
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> like mplayer with the codecs
[03:17] <sebastian> that should help you
[03:17] <__mikem> I tried a sudo apt-get install mplayer, and it says package not found
[03:18] <kubuntu_noob> thanks... im trying to make sense of th elink frank sent me, thanks!
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> funny. in apt-cache search mplayer is shows mplayer
[03:18] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation  is great to start with
[03:18] <frank23> !restricted
[03:18] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[03:18] <kubuntu_noob> thanks
[03:19] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats has everything about audio/video/dvd/java
[03:19] <kubuntu_noob> i guess tonight it will be dedicated to linux till 12 lol
[03:19] <sebastian> yep  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3
[03:19] <kubuntu_noob> thanks i really appreciate it
[03:19] <sebastian> yep this is the link  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3
[03:21] <kubuntu_noob> ok one question... i dloaded the bin file to my desktop for realplayer
[03:21] <kubuntu_noob> i went to properties and checked all the executable and write etc stuff
[03:21] <sebastian> don't bother with the actsaul Real realplayer
[03:21] <sebastian> just download and get working mplayer
[03:21] <sebastian> that will take care of like everything
[03:22] <kubuntu_noob> how do i do that? i mean i cant seem to open any file with ./
[03:22] <kubuntu_noob> it keeps telling me the file doesnt exist
[03:22] <sebastian> yes MP3's don't just play by default in Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[03:22] <sebastian> and many other LInux distros
[03:22] <sebastian> ,because of legal reasons.  they are patented or whatever
[03:23] <sebastian> and same thing with DVD's  they won't just play either
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> yeah i know... i checked that with the windows ppl
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> i own windows xp so they said it is fine
[03:23] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: you should install realplayer as explained here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. you have to cd Desktop to go to the Desktop directory
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> but i need to install win32 codecs... ok before i ask any more stupid questions ill read the link frank sent me
[03:23] <sebastian> I tryed to install Relaplayer myself before.  and well it's not very uhmmmm nice
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> thank you for your patience guys
[03:23] <sebastian> yes install win32 codecs
[03:24] <__mikem> sebastian, it aint in my apt-cache, I piped the output of apt-cache pkgnames through grep mplayer and couldn't find any
[03:24] <__mikem> just so you know
[03:24] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: it may be "morally" fine. but I'm sure it's still not legally fine at least in the US. I doubt anybody cares about that though (including Microsoft)
[03:24] <sebastian> this is the site for mplayer:  www.mplayerhq.hu/
[03:24] <sebastian> you have to download it I think
[03:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: Did you enable universe and multiverse repositories?
[03:24] <sebastian> carn't just get it from the package manager I think
[03:24] <kubuntu_noob> thanks
[03:25] <frank23> __mikem: mplayer is not in amd64 ubuntu
[03:25] <frank23> !info mplayer
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan>  sudo apt-get install mplayer-amd64
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:25] <frank23> !info mplayer-386
[03:25] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 3568 kB, Installed size: 8132 kB
[03:25] <frank23> mplayer is in multiverse
[03:26] <kubuntu_noob> so i have to dload the source, codecs, fonts and maybe a skin
[03:26] <kubuntu_noob> and run them :)
[03:26] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: for mplayer? no need for any of that.
[03:27] <kubuntu_noob> it says on the site... for a complete installation u need to do all this
[03:27] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: are you running i386 version of ubuntu?
[03:27] <michael__> sorry, I have a busted cooling fan on my laptop and it just overheated
[03:27] <kubuntu_noob> i have a 64bit processor, not sure exactly which one im running...
[03:27] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: what image did you download?
[03:27] <sebastian> so your running kubuntu on a 64bit PC?
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> yes an amb 64bit 1.8ghz
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> amd
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:28] <michael__> hey, is there a moderator in here
[03:28] <sebastian> maybe
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why?
[03:28] <frank23> michael__: why?
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:29] <sebastian> yeah I am a moderator :D and if you piss me off I will kick you out :D
[03:29] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh the readme for mplayer... this might help on how to install
[03:30] <michael__> the screen name __mikem is me, my laptop died, and aparently for some reason my the irc session didn't terminate
[03:30] <sebastian> do you even know how to use a package manger yet?
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> nope
[03:30] <sebastian> kubuntu noob
[03:30] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: no no no.... there are much easier ways to install stuff in ubuntu
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> :(
[03:30] <michael__> do you think you can kick that name so I can use it
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, even if you kick it from the channel, you can't use it.
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> im all ears frank...
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> It has to disconnect from the server.
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> should i follow the link u sen tme?
[03:31] <michael__> unless it times out, it isn't going to disconect on its own
[03:31] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: first learn to use adept (link) and add universe and multiverse (2nd link)
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> thanks alot frank...
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> they insturctions are very clear
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> ok will do!
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> :)
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> :D
[03:32] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: after that you can install mplayer (and about 15000 other packages) with adept
[03:32] <kubuntu_noob> i did try and install some mp3 library codes etc... earlier
[03:33] <kubuntu_noob> but the mp3s still didnt run... i need the win32 codecs i think... the manager prob doesnt have them to download
[03:33] <kubuntu_noob> but yeah now im getting the hang of this...
[03:33] <kubuntu_noob> noe trying to install th emultiverse thing :)
[03:34] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: for mp3s, did you try to follow the restrictedformats page?
[03:34] <kubuntu_noob> i am trying to... it says type commands. not sure where i should type them in...
[03:35] <kubuntu_noob> open a terminal window?
[03:35] <kubuntu_noob> or the run thing
[03:35] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: yeah. it's called konsole in the menu
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Press Alt+Space and type in "Konsole"
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> :)
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> wow
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, awesome app, isn't it? :D
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> man... this is just like grade 2 when i got my very first pc
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> the thing just popped out of nowehere
[03:36] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: all the sudo apt-get install  stuff can be done with adept. they do the same thing: install programs from the repositories
[03:36] <___mikem> sebastian check the user id of me and __mikem, they both say<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:36] <sebastian> yep  LInux is about typing commands in for loads of stuff.  so start getting used to it now Kubuntu noob
[03:37] <sebastian> I was joking when I said I was a moderater.  mikem
[03:37] <kubuntu_noob> one question what are respositories?
[03:37] <kubuntu_noob> just for info
[03:37] <sebastian> uhmmmmm basically
[03:37] <___mikem> THats a real bummer, because there is no irc client currently connected to __mikem, I can guarintee you
[03:37] <sebastian> places where you can download stuff
[03:38] <sebastian> programs
[03:38] <sebastian> servers where you can download the programs from
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> so its like a holding place... which have small programs in them
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> u can dload as u need them?
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> The repositories are places where you download the packages, then apt will automatically install them.
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup
[03:38] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: servers that contain programs for ubuntu.  apt is the package management system for ubuntu.
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> adept is a GUI for apt
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> so ubuntu.com or whatever stores all these little programs we all make to add on
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> niceee
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> so this think keeps improving all the time...
[03:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, they only store certain programs, but basically, yes.
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> shit... so much more power than windows
[03:39] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: not just little programs. A large part of all open source software is in there. 15000 packages
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> ahh i see
[03:40] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: if something is not there, it usually means, it's new, unstable or that not many people use it
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Usually new
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[03:41] <darkmatter137> hello again
[03:41] <sebastian> yep open source is more powerful then Windows and that
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Such as the rather annoying Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> not being there. :\
[03:41] <__mikem> ok, looks like the account timed out
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup
[03:41] <kubuntu_noob> one thing i dont get is why arent there any vruses or secutrity holes on linux bases os...
[03:41] <sebastian> you can install Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>  Cheese Buger Man inside your Kbuntu
[03:41] <kubuntu_noob> i mean with all this power and access...
[03:41] <kubuntu_noob> u guys can do whatever u want
[03:42] <__mikem> because virus writers count on the fact that most people use windows
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> sebastian: I tried, but it told me it needed a lib that I already had.
[03:42] <kubuntu_noob> sorry but im really curious
[03:42] <darkmatter137> maybe becuase insidious hackers use linux, and like linux peeps :)
[03:42] <sebastian> well I got Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> on my  Ubuntu.  I followeed a nice wiki page
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> and because anyone can get to the code, people can patch security flaws without being part of the 'official tema'
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> team*
[03:42] <sebastian> there have been some virus's for Linux
[03:42] <sebastian> ,but
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> I followed the wiki page too, and got the same error
[03:42] <sebastian> they tend to stay in the lab
[03:43] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh i see... so open source can go both ways
[03:43] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: and even the holes that do exist tend to cause less damage because user programs are run with user priviledge while Windows home users run everything as administrator
[03:43] <darkmatter137> hehehe
[03:43] <__mikem> most vulnerabilities in linux stem from buffer overruns based on what I heard
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> frank23: not all windows users run as admin - I don't, and setup my mom so she doesn't either. ;)
[03:43] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:43] <frank23> CheeseBurgerMan: You're not the average home windows user then ;)
[03:43] <__mikem> I run as admin on my windows machine
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:44] <darkmatter137> admin allows you to gain access to almost any computer easily
[03:44] <kubuntu_noob> i dont think ur mom would be the cause of spyware or viruses
[03:44] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:44] <__mikem> I am actually using vmware to run ubuntu right now
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> kubuntu_noob: Regardless, it's still safter. ;)
[03:44] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:44] <sebastian> well I been trying to get VMware player
[03:44] <sebastian> working this evening
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: VMWare is a bit slow on my comp (at least with Windows, not installed it in Linux)
[03:44] <darkmatter137> do i need to use a firewall with linux?
[03:44] <sebastian> so I can install 2k pro inside Ubuntu :)
[03:44] <darkmatter137> or antivirus?
[03:45] <sebastian> Ubuntu has a anti virus
[03:45] <sebastian> there are some anti virus's for Linux
[03:45] <sebastian> just in case
[03:45] <sebastian> and yes it is a good idea to  use a firewall if your using it on The Internet
[03:45] <sebastian> whatever operating system you are using
[03:45] <__mikem> You shouldn't try running vmware server because that is very slow
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> Which you are. ;)
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: I didn't. It was the VMware player
[03:45] <__mikem> but vmware workstation version works fine
[03:45] <sebastian> VMware player
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> my 'puter just isn't the fastest. :)
[03:45] <kubuntu_noob> not running a firewall on this os... but windows i have zonelabs
[03:45] <__mikem> I use vmware workstation
[03:46] <sebastian> ,but Gnome or whatever is being stupid.  and keeps on turning my Virtual Machine file into a text file at the moment
[03:46] <sebastian> hummmmmmm
[03:46] <kubuntu_noob> i think the university server im on right now has its own firewall in place too
[03:46] <MaterMaravillae> __mikem: how much ram have you got?
[03:46] <kubuntu_noob> i gb
[03:46] <kubuntu_noob> 1gb
[03:46] <frank23> darkmatter137: antivirus is basically useless. Firewall...  can be useful but by default ubuntu has no open ports that can accept connections
[03:46] <__mikem> I only have 512mb right now
[03:46] <sebastian> yes I expect they have a firewall your uni
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, I've only got 512MB
[03:46] <darkmatter137> ok
[03:46] <darkmatter137> wait
[03:46] <darkmatter137> if ubuntu has no open ports
[03:46] <darkmatter137> how do you use bittorent?
[03:46] <MaterMaravillae> ok, ty. im trying vmware right now and ive got 512, and i didnt know if it was enough
[03:47] <__mikem> Firewall is good if you are running ubuntu on a server
[03:47] <frank23> darkmatter137: well bittorrent opens those ports but you need them opened anyways.
[03:47] <darkmatter137> ah, i c
[03:47] <sebastian> whatever operating system if  your using it on the internet. you should have a firewall
[03:47] <__mikem> we are all closet vmware users and now we are all coming out?
[03:47] <__mikem> lol
[03:47] <darkmatter137> :)
[03:47] <MaterMaravillae> lol
[03:47] <sebastian> I am not a vmware user just yet
[03:47] <darkmatter137> im burning the install disk
[03:48] <sebastian> since I haven't got it working with 2k pro just yet
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> whats universe and multiverse?
[03:48] <frank23> __mikem: And all law abiding vmware player users I'm sure
[03:48] <sebastian> differnet resporitories
[03:48] <darkmatter137> once i have it installed, how will I boot into kubuntu since my winxp is my main
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> im adding it... but would like to know exactly what they are
[03:48] <sebastian> nope 2k pro is a pirate :d
[03:48] <__mikem> I got my copy of vmware workstation lagitimately
[03:48] <sebastian> someone in Canada sent me
[03:48] <sebastian> ,but I have legal 98 and XP
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> lol im in canada
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> toronto
[03:48] <__mikem> my brother happened to have an unactivated version of workstation lieing around so he gave it to me
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter137: It will install GRUB into the MBR which allows you to chose between windows and Kubuntu
[03:48] <darkmatter137> cool
[03:49] <darkmatter137> it will install grub by default?
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep
[03:49] <darkmatter137> cool
[03:49] <__mikem> Is it alright to recomend a good book I resently bought on learning linux here
[03:49] <darkmatter137> so, I have windows on my primary, i install kubuntu on secondar, grub will let me choose?
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes
[03:49] <sebastian> I thought about pirating VMware workstation or buying it, but then well this VMware player so I am like i'll just use this
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: Go ahead
[03:49] <darkmatter137> cool
[03:49] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: universe is programs that are not officially supported by ubuntu. they may or may not get security updates. multiverse is like universe but closed source
[03:50] <darkmatter137> well
[03:50] <darkmatter137> im off to install
[03:50] <darkmatter137> see yas
[03:50] <darkmatter137> :)
[03:50] <__mikem> Get the Linux Bible by Christopher Negus
[03:50] <kubuntu_noob> thanks again frank
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: Too late, already got it. :P
[03:50] <__mikem> Looks like my laptop just came back up
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> 2005 edition though
[03:50] <sebastian> Hoary headgehog had Gnome and Kubuntu,  but Breezy no Kubuntu hummmmmmm
[03:51] <sebastian> ,but I installed KDE on my Ubuntu to
[03:51] <__mikem> Theres kubuntu for breezy, or atleast there was
[03:51] <__mikem> !kde
[03:51] <ubotu> methinks kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[03:51] <kubuntu_noob> whats breezy?
[03:51] <frank23> sebastian: breezy has kde too. what are you talking about?
[03:51] <__mikem> yup
[03:51] <kubuntu_noob> and kde?
[03:51] <sebastian> Yes I got KDE on my Ubuntu  that's what I said, but on Hoary Headgehog there was Gnome and Kubuntu
[03:51] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: breezy is 5.10   hoary was 5.04
[03:52] <kubuntu_noob> man i sound like a 10 yr old kid... so much curiousity i love it!
[03:52] <sebastian> what are the differences between Kubuntu and just installing KDE on Gnome?
[03:52] <__mikem> kubuntu_noob I was (and some times still am) the same way
[03:52] <kubuntu_noob> ahh different versions of kubuntu....
[03:52] <sebastian> I mean just isntalling KDE on Ubuntu
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> sebastian: None, except that you still have GNOME.
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> sebastian: Default apps.
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> I have GNOME, KDE, and XFCE.
[03:52] <__mikem> could someone explain what kde is to kubuntu_noob, I would but I don't know how to explain it
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> __mikem: I'll give it a shot.
[03:53] <__mikem> ok
[03:53] <sebastian> so will I
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:53] <__mikem> lol
[03:53] <sebastian> Linux is all about choice Kubuntu noob
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: You coming from a Windows background?  (I'm making an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong.)
[03:53] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: kde is the desktop environment you're using. If you had ubuntu, you would be using gnome instead and things would look quite different on your screen
[03:53] <kubuntu_noob> yeah
[03:53] <sebastian> there are loads of Desktop Environments Graphical User Interfaces to choose from on Linux
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh guis
[03:54] <sebastian> KDE is the most populast apparanatlly
[03:54] <__mikem> enlightenment
[03:54] <__mikem> xfce, kde gnome
[03:54] <sebastian> and Gnome is the second
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> :)
[03:54] <sebastian> and XFCE is the 3rd I Think
[03:54] <__mikem> cde (for you old time unix users)
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> so kubuntu runs on kde?
[03:54] <frank23> sebastian: yeah but gnome is more popular among (k)ubuntu users
[03:54] <__mikem> kde runs on kubuntu
[03:54] <__mikem> actually
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> lol yeah
[03:54] <sebastian> Kubuntu uses KDE by default.  and Ubuntu uses Gnome by default
[03:54] <__mikem> linux is just the kernel
[03:55] <__mikem> the kernel is like a car engine
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> that makes sense!
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: When you logged into Windows, you had a pretty little interface, with the Start menu, clock, My Computer, and all that kind of stuff that made up the desktop.  That sort of package deal is similar to a desktop environment like KDE (though not quite the same, because there's all sorts of little components to compare too).
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> yeah i got it... thanks
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> i feel a lot smarter now
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Wonderful!
[03:55] <__mikem> you need more than just an engine to get around
[03:55] <__mikem> you need more than just a kernel to use your computer
[03:55] <sebastian> and Gnome is more user fridnly then KE I reckon.  and of course since this is the Kubuntu channel here I guess loads of people here disagree or whatever
[03:56] <sebastian> user friendly that is
[03:56] <sebastian> and KDE
[03:56] <sebastian> not KE
[03:56] <__mikem> different distributions of linux use different software to interface with the kernel, just like different cars have different bodies and still use the same engine
[03:56] <__mikem> its what I like to call a modular opperating system
[03:56] <sebastian> there are also loads of file managers for Linux
[03:56] <sebastian> Kubuntu noob
[03:57] <sebastian> KDE uses Konquerer which is also a browser.  Gnome uses Natuilus
[03:57] <__mikem> because things like the desktop environment, the package managers, and stuff like that are like moduals to the kernal
[03:57] <sebastian> and there is even a file manager which is rather much like Windows :d :)
[03:57] <__mikem> is that a good synopsis
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Main difference on that front Linux vs. Windows - you have a choice.  And you can run more than one.  WinXP you basically get one desktop, and can either theme it as XP or Classic.  Here, you can have KDE, Gnome, XFCE, IceWM, Fluxbox, Openbox, Motif, and some others all installed at the same time, and if you really feel like it, all running at the same time.
[03:57] <__mikem> motif is just a window manager,
[03:58] <sebastian> XP with 3rd party programs can theme it as well
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> __mikem: True, nm.
[03:58] <__mikem> XFCE is also just a window manager but it works nicely with gdm
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Things like Konqueror and Nautilus would be roughly equivalent to Windows Explorer (not to be confused with Internet Explorer, although Konq. fulfills that role too, but not Nautilus)
[03:59] <sebastian> Linux is about choice being able to choose what you want to use for like everything.  where as Windows is about vender lockin and well having to use there shit
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> their
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> __mikem: Speaking of which, how can I get desktop icons and such in XFCE?
[03:59] <__mikem> I don't know, I found xfce difficult to use when I tried it
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> CheeseBurgerMan: Thank you for nabbing that one :)
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> My pleasure. :P
[04:00] <__mikem> its nice, but as I said, difficult to use
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> yeah konquerer i understood was a web browser
[04:00] <sebastian> it still is
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[04:00] <sebastian> Konquerer is both
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> hahaha
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Yes, and a filesystem browser at the same time.
[04:00] <__mikem> conquer is as I said like windows explorer because like windows explorer, it is both a windows manager and a web browser
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> so its like ie...
[04:00] <sebastian> yes in a way
[04:00] <__mikem> yup
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, but cooler. :P
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Except it works and won't expose you to every security hole known to man.
[04:01] <Snake|ONAIR> Can I intrest anyone in tuning into my radio. I got 3 spots lef on the server. It's predominatly rock, but theres going to be a 30 min techno block coming up. Anyone intrested?
[04:01] <sebastian> ,but unlike IE, because of it's link to Explorer.  well the whole of Windows crashes then.  anwyay with KOnquerer if Konquerer crashes
[04:01] <sebastian> the whole of Linux won't crash
[04:01] <__mikem> The only reason why I don't use kde is because for some reason it won't run on my machines at resolutions higher than 1024x768
[04:02] <__mikem> I always hated that about IE
[04:02] <beefsprocket> is there a way to remove all mimetype associations and revert to the default?
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use it at 1280x768
[04:02] <beefsprocket> I keep getting an octet popup problem or some such error
[04:02] <sebastian> altough Firefox is the better  than Konquerer as a web browser I guess
[04:02] <__mikem> Long live Firefox
[04:02] <Snake|ONAIR> Opera for life
[04:03] <__mikem> lets not start any cola wars in here
[04:03] <kubuntu_noob> where is the repositories option in adept?
[04:03] <sebastian> IE is shit.  stops the whole Internet from becoming much better, because of it's lack of web standards suppourt
[04:03] <sebastian> as in the webpage coding it suppourts and how.  Yep lack of CSS so on
[04:03] <sebastian> suppourt
[04:03] <__mikem> microsoft claims that it can't not include ie with windows even though they were told they needed to stop
[04:04] <sebastian> IE 7 will be a slight improvement, but not a good enough one.  and by the way IE 7 has tabs
[04:04] <sebastian> which is a long over due feature for them
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> sebastian: So I've heard, but a little late.
[04:04] <Snake|ONAIR> __mikem: and they were proved rong
[04:04] <Snake|ONAIR> wrong*
[04:04] <__mikem> yup, the amazing thing is, as bad as microsoft is, Mac is getting to be worse
[04:04] <sebastian> is it? why?  how?
[04:04] <__mikem> look at what they are doing with the IPod and Itunes
[04:05] <__mikem> beefsprocket, wish I could help, we aren't ignoreing you though
[04:05] <beefsprocket> I didn't think you were, just scrolling quite a bit is all
[04:05] <sebastian> apparantlly Mac OS X has the best GUI though?
[04:05] <__mikem> definitely
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> never used it
[04:06] <sebastian> I have seen it in videos and stuff.  damn I want a Mac
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[04:06] <__mikem> beefsprocket, try uninstalling and reinstalling all the mime types
[04:07] <sebastian> thing is with open source.  I mean come on.  surely they can make something better than Mac OS X's GUI?
[04:07] <__mikem> IT would be nice if we could have open source music
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, I know those who would say that open source has made something better than OS X's GUI
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> But that's the same guy who makes bash scripts for fun.
[04:08] <__mikem> CheeseBurgerMan, apple is very good at GUI Design
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> As I said, I've never used it.
[04:08] <__mikem> Ive used them before
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've not. :P
[04:08] <__mikem> they are beautiful
[04:08] <sebastian> well I guess they have to
[04:08] <sebastian> since most of there users/customers
[04:08] <sebastian> are multimedia peopel graphics designers
[04:08] <sebastian> so on
[04:08] <sebastian> people
[04:08] <__mikem> bingo
[04:09] <__mikem> and those people are so abundant that APple is targeting them
[04:09] <__mikem> and they even put a big dent in WIndows credibility when it comes to Multimedia Design
[04:10] <__mikem> most people will say that Macs are better at graphic design than a PC will ever be
[04:10] <sebastian> ,but they forced people to buy there hardware
[04:10] <sebastian> hence why Mac OS X
[04:10] <sebastian> did not become so popular
[04:10] <sebastian> ,but now we got these Mactels hummmmmm
[04:10] <__mikem> like I was saying, Apple is really becoming worse than microsoft
[04:11] <__mikem> Another interesting fast fact about Mac OSX, Its based on BSD
[04:11] <sebastian> and Safari there browser is based on Konquerer
[04:11] <Snake|ONAIR> __mikem: not totally
[04:11] <sebastian> well it's rendering engine
[04:11] <Snake|ONAIR> Its more based on...whats that other OS...
[04:12] <sebastian> Unix?
[04:12] <Snake|ONAIR> No
[04:12] <__mikem> BSD is UNIX
[04:12] <sebastian> I know
[04:12] <Snake|ONAIR> NeXT I think
[04:13] <sebastian> and Linux is Linux, but quite a lot of people like to call it a Unix
[04:13] <Snake|ONAIR> Mac OS X is based on the Mach kernel and the BSD implementation of Unix, which were incorporated into NEXTSTEP,
[04:13] <nalioth> linux is a *nix
[04:13] <__mikem> I was looking at FSU as a petential college I might go to in a year. The woman in the computer science department had the gaul to say that Unix is going to be obsolete
[04:13] <sebastian> Unix is becoming obsolote
[04:13] <sebastian> it's true
[04:13] <sebastian> companies that use Unix for servers so on
[04:13] <sebastian> are going to Linux :)
[04:14] <__mikem> I said, to her funny, there are plenty of Linux distributors that are doing quite well
[04:14] <sebastian> that's interesting females in a computer science department.
[04:14] <sebastian> the majority of females and computers hummmmmmm
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:15] <__mikem> Yeh, its a new thing
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> there are some smart females in computers. I Just don't know any. :P
[04:15] <sebastian> indeed same ehre
[04:15] <__mikem> LOL
[04:15] <sebastian> here
[04:15] <Hobbsee> sebastian: yes, they exist
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Heck, I've been asked "How do I get to my desktop"
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> :|
[04:16] <__mikem> I used to know a girl who was prety good with computers. HOwever she kicked the hobby after she tried a computer programming class and bit off a bit more than she could chew
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:16] <sebastian> are there any females here?
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> CheeseBurgerMan: I know some that try, fewer that succeed.
[04:16] <sebastian> girls find computers for geeks,  but yet obbsses over there mobiles phones.  which are really computers by the way
[04:16] <__mikem> It took me several tries to get into computer programming
[04:16] <sebastian> they don't see a mobile phone as being a computer
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sebastian: do you have any idea how horrible you're sounding?
[04:17] <sebastian> teenage girls
[04:17] <sebastian> at least around here
[04:17] <sebastian> other countires maybe not so much
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe - __mikem already knows :P
[04:17] <__mikem> you should see how things are down here in floriDUH
[04:17] <sebastian> Hobbsee are you are female?
[04:17] <sebastian> I was thinking that from when you started talking to me so on
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, he guessed it
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sebastian: what an interesting conclusion.  yes.  there are other females around here too, btw
[04:18] <__mikem> Hobbsee, I kept my mouth shut does that make me a gentalman
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hehe it does __mikem
[04:18] <__mikem> cool
[04:18] <sebastian> well that's pretty damn cool.  at least some females here :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: what, the one about girls not existing on the internet?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> !women
[04:19] <ubotu> I guess women is Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ to learn how to act, mister!
[04:19] <darkmatter1> hey
[04:19] <darkmatter1> help.... lol
[04:19] <__mikem> ubotu lart sebastian
[04:19] <Snake|ONAIR> !love
[04:19] <ubotu> Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath.  At night, the ice weasels come.
[04:19] <darkmatter1> I just installed kubuntu, it rebooted
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> As I said, there are some, but I don't really know any. (since I don't really know you - just that you were a female, and that from a pastebin that you did which showed your home folder)
[04:19] <darkmatter1> then
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> But I'll digress. ;)
[04:19] <Snake|ONAIR> Who needs women, when you have love
[04:19] <darkmatter1> grub 1.5 loading
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> dark_suic: Good...
[04:19] <darkmatter1> grub starting
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Err
[04:19] <darkmatter1> error 21
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Nope, the one about dealing with attitudes and behaviors towards those in the Linux community, or that you are trying to encourage to get into it.
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1
[04:19] <darkmatter1> yeah
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not so good
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:19] <Hobbsee> sebastian: you might want to read http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27  :P
[04:20] <Snake|ONAIR> Amarok = ALL THE CHICKS
[04:20] <Snake|ONAIR> All girls love amarok.
[04:20] <Snake|ONAIR> :)
[04:20] <darkmatter1> well, what does it mean, and how do i fix it?
[04:20] <darkmatter1> :(
[04:20] <__mikem> lart Snake|ONAIR
[04:20] <__mikem> !lart Snake|ONAIR
[04:20] <__mikem> ouch
[04:20] <__mikem> lol
[04:20] <beefsprocket> !gam_server
[04:20] <ubotu> beefsprocket: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:21] <__mikem> !good bot
[04:21] <ubotu> :)
[04:21] <darkmatter1> is there anyone here that can help me?!?
[04:21] <darkmatter1> i mean, my system wont boot
[04:21] <darkmatter1> :/
[04:21] <__mikem> darkmatter CheeseBurgerMan is working on it
[04:21] <darkmatter1> ok
[04:21] <darkmatter1> thx
[04:22] <__mikem> hey hobbsee, type !lart sebastian
[04:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, I've found lots of stuff on error 21, just not a solution.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> +1 to the last paragraph of 1.1 of that page!
[04:22] <Hobbsee> __mikem: i know about lart
[04:22] <Hobbsee> !botabuse
[04:22] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I have a feeling you'll be +1-ing it a lot; it's quite the article.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> __mikem: and there are far more effective ways of dealing with him :P
[04:22] <darkmatter1> well, what is error 21/
[04:22] <darkmatter1> to start with
[04:23] <__mikem> lol
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> I still have no idea
[04:23] <__mikem> hey CheeseBurgerMan, you might want to start a private chat with him
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why? This way if I find a solution everyone can see and learn. ;)
[04:23] <__mikem> so he doesn't have to deal with the scrooling
[04:24] <__mikem> I know when I am in his position, I usually find a scrolling chatwindow hard to deal with
[04:24] <Hobbsee> solutions are good in here too
[04:24] <__mikem> then again, the people have spoken
[04:24] <darkmatter1> oh shit
[04:24] <darkmatter1> 21 is selected disk does not exist
[04:24] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: language.
[04:24] <darkmatter1> sorry
[04:24] <darkmatter1> but I really am screwed
[04:25] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: you get to the grub screen?
[04:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> !grub
[04:25] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:25] <darkmatter1> this is what ive gotted
[04:25] <Hobbsee> check that the partition numbers are actually correct - you can edit it with e
[04:25] <__mikem> Selected disk does not exist, sound like the problem he had earlier
[04:25] <Hobbsee> sebastian: yes.  i wont tell you, due to what you've already said, and that i suspect you'll try hitting on me if i do.
[04:25] <darkmatter1> loading grub 1.5      loading grub, please wait      error 21
[04:26] <darkmatter1> and now im on the grub manual
[04:26] <darkmatter1> and it says, that 21 is selected disk does not exist
[04:26] <__mikem> Im thinking find an old laptop, and just do a "takeover" instalation of that machine
[04:26] <darkmatter1> 21 : Selected disk does not exist
[04:26] <darkmatter1> This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: did the partition somehow get deleted, or did grub screw up?
[04:26] <darkmatter1> no
[04:27] <darkmatter1> the install went fine
[04:27] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: quickest way is probably to reinstall grub, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-32d586a32fe70f9e1accb80d55cf3d3f0600175a
[04:27] <darkmatter1> I was pleasantly happy
[04:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:27] <__mikem> darkmatter1, if you really want a machine with ubuntu on it, you could also find an old laptop you don't use and do a "takeover" install on that
[04:27] <darkmatter1> hobbsee
[04:27] <darkmatter1> without grub, how could i get into kubuntu?
[04:27] <darkmatter1> you see, I have a problem
[04:27] <sebastian> without a boot loader your f ucked
[04:27] <darkmatter1> I cant get into windows or ubuntu
[04:28] <sebastian> you need a boot loader to boot Linux
[04:28] <__mikem> sabastian, do you mean get a date with her or get her to use ubuntu?
[04:28] <sebastian> 14 is to young for me.  and she has a boy friend
[04:28] <__mikem> oh lol
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1: Well, you can always run a fixmbr in the Windows recovery console, but that won't let you boot into Kubuntu
[04:28] <sebastian> I am 18.  and I have a feeling your about the same age mikem?
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's a last resort.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: what are you using now?
[04:28] <__mikem> 17
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hobbsee: Probably live CD
[04:29] <darkmatter1> a different computer
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Close. :P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> sebastian: language.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: then load that webpage on your other computer
[04:29] <unix_infidel> how do i check which version of kde i have installed.
[04:29] <__mikem> why do you ask sebastian
[04:29] <Hobbsee> which gives you instructions on how to reinstall grub using the install cd
[04:29] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: konversation --version
[04:29] <__mikem> US
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> USA
[04:29] <Hobbsee> AU
[04:29] <sebastian> ,becasue I could tell by the things you were saying that you were about my age
[04:30] <__mikem> oh
[04:30] <sebastian> in other words your imaturiety lol no offence :d
[04:30] <__mikem> Don't worry, I get that a lot
[04:30] <unix_infidel> how would i go about updating kde to 3.5.1
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's spelled wrong, but I can't figure out how to spell it right. :P
[04:30] <unix_infidel> wikipedia says that's available in repos for breezy.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5.1
[04:31] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[04:31] <Hobbsee> sebastian: did you not see people's answers above?
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ubotu takes my job. I can't fetch links when he does it all. :P
[04:31] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CheeseBurgerMan
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oops
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: From US, living currently / attending school in Canada.
[04:31] <__mikem> Hobbsee ;-)
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Dangit, not for you.
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> sebastian: ^^
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:32] <sebastian> nope I guess I just missed them
[04:32] <__mikem> lmao
[04:32] <sebastian> I just read above
[04:32] <darkmatter1> :/
[04:32] <darkmatter1> really ultra nervous
[04:32] <unix_infidel> wait, so its not available in official repos?
[04:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> unix_infidel: It is an official repo
[04:33] <__mikem> darkmatter1 just be glad you aren't trying to deal with using different partitions on the same disk
[04:33] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: but with what i already have in sources.list
[04:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> just not included in the default install because KDE 3.5.1 was released after breezy was.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> it's a semi-official repo...  well, it's official, but it's not into main, as it was released after feature freeze.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> it's in dapper
[04:33] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: but the repos havent been updated to include 3.5.1
[04:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> What Hobbsee said
[04:33] <unix_infidel> they only include what's available for that release.
[04:33] <exobuzz> i wish laptop makers didnt suck, so they could make machines without broken firmware/bios so i wouldnt have to fuck around trying to get linux to work.. :-)
[04:33] <unix_infidel> they arent updated to include updated software.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> sebastian: wish my school would change.  then again, looks like my uni is using partly linux
[04:34] <__mikem> I don't use beta software, but when drapper becomes stable, I have to remember to send away for more pressed CDs
[04:34] <sebastian> that's good Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: language, please.  what problems are you having?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> my laptop works fine, under dapper :)
[04:34] <unix_infidel> Hobbsee: language?
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> That was exobuzz, not unix_infidel.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> lol.
[04:34] <exobuzz> sorry
[04:35] <__mikem> !tell unix_infidel about language
[04:35] <sebastian> school ay Hobbsee so your about my age to then I guess.  and no this is not a suck up.  I meant that
[04:35] <exobuzz> it was me. i had a foul mouth
[04:35] <Hobbsee> oops
[04:35] <unix_infidel> moron.
[04:35] <sebastian> ah
[04:35] <sebastian> I meant
[04:35] <sebastian> to put
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sorry unix_infidel
[04:35] <robotgeek> !coc
[04:35] <ubotu> methinks coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:35] <unix_infidel> Hobbsee: talking about __mikem
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sebastian: i left school last year
[04:35] <unix_infidel> ok so to my actual question.
[04:35] <sebastian> I meant to put.  school ay Hobbsee.  so your about my age to then I guess.  and your quite mature.  and no this is not a suck up.  I meant that
[04:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> ooh, we have a code of conduct?
[04:35] <exobuzz> really. laptops can be a pain.. this laptop. is mostly great. but it has a broken bios.. after 1 year, a patch got into kernel 2.6.16
[04:35] <exobuzz> phew
[04:36] <unix_infidel> the "official" kubuntu repos arent updated to include newest packages?
[04:36] <exobuzz> and thanks to the dapper devs the patch is going into 2.6.15
[04:36] <exobuzz> phew
[04:36] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> unix_infidel: No
[04:36] <unix_infidel> newest "stable"
[04:36] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: blah, ok.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ack!!!   darn!!!
[04:36] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: so how do i update kde and nothing else?
[04:36] <__mikem> Well, I am out for now. TTYL
[04:36] <sebastian> bye miek
[04:36] <sebastian> mike
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> The updated KDE updates all KDE packages.(including Konversation, Kopete, Krita, etc_
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> )*
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> So you have to update those.
[04:37] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: that's fine. but how do i updated with apt-get upgrade <meta-package>
[04:37] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: they are.  like i say, kde 3.5.1 is in dapper.
[04:37] <exobuzz> the f word surely is not being misused when referring to laptop manufacturers who build there bios's using m$ tools which create broken ACPI code
[04:37] <sebastian> I think I should be going off now to or soon.  3:37am here
[04:37] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:37] <unix_infidel> so i dont have to update the entire system.
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> You can't AFAIK.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> sebastian: i thought you said you were in australia
[04:38] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: that's pretty asinine.
[04:38] <sebastian> no I said i was in ENgland
[04:38] <boogerhead> I guess an old guy doesn't belong in a world of teenie boppers...
[04:38] <unix_infidel> ah well, i guess i gotta bite the bullet and blame you guys if the system breaks.
[04:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> I said AFAIK, not that it's impossible
[04:38] <sebastian> Hobbsee you come here quite a lot or?
[04:38] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: lol, yea, but no one seems to know :P
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:39] <exobuzz> sebastian: where is that ?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> oh, i must have misread
[04:39] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:39] <sebastian> what exobuzz?  England in Europe :d
[04:39] <nalioth> sebastian: Hobbsee is a fixture here
[04:39] <Hobbsee> i'm not here as often as i was - i'm at uni now
[04:40] <sebastian> Hobbsee comes here a lot ok
[04:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, Hobbsee is the faucet, while robotgeek takes on the honorable position of refridgerator.
[04:40] <exobuzz> sebastian: mate, i live in england.. i know, since its friday night (saturday morning) and weve had the local chav scum drunk causing trouble outside on the way home from the pub again
[04:40] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:40] <exobuzz> as usual
[04:40] <sebastian> oh right :d
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:40] <sebastian> where abouts in England you from?
[04:40] <exobuzz> didcot, oxfordshire
[04:40] <exobuzz> u ?
[04:40] <sebastian> near Bristol
[04:40] <exobuzz> not so far. my littel sister is studying there
[04:40] <exobuzz> little
[04:41] <sebastian> what at University West of England?
[04:41] <exobuzz> she runs kubuntu.. ON TOPIC!
[04:41] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:41] <sebastian> well someone from my school.  well he is doing computer science at Oxford University now
[04:41] <robotgeek>  /whois Hobbsee
[04:41] <robotgeek> oops
[04:41] <exobuzz> she studies at Bristol university. (is ther more than one i dont know). Kubuntu (on topic) :D
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:41] <sebastian> I think there are about two or three
[04:42] <sebastian> or something like that
[04:42] <exobuzz> shes doing law.. which ever one ...
[04:42] <sebastian> heh I did Law GCSE last year at college, but well  the teachers were s hit and yeah
[04:42] <exobuzz> I never made it to Uni.. I got a cr*p job instead..  :D
[04:42] <sebastian> woudn't help us with coursework and stuff
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !offtopic
[04:42] <sebastian> I think most of the class failed
[04:42] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[04:42] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it should say #kubuntu-offtoipc
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it should say #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:43] <sebastian> you want to go to that channel exobuzz?  since I carn't private message here since not registerd
[04:43] <exobuzz> you can do law gcse ? (utilising the excellent kubuntu ) ? :D ok. ill stop now... ehm. no more offtopic
[04:43] <Hobbsee> for kubuntu
[04:43] <exobuzz> k
[04:43] <sebastian> ok go to other channel
[04:44] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[04:44] <ubotu> methinks kofftopic is Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:44] <Massacration> hi reveryone
[04:44] <Massacration> could anyone help this poor little boy?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> !+anyone
[04:45] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[04:45] <Massacration> ok thanks host guy
[04:47] <Massacration> i'm upgrading my kubuntu with the latest packges but i do get the message that the kdegraphics-kfile-plugins will not be upgraded
[04:47] <Massacration> what should i do? and what's that package for?
[04:47] <Massacration> bobesponja ajua ai nego
[04:48] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
[04:48] <Massacration> thanks for the tip, I didn't know about that
[04:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> you don't need the install IIRC
[04:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> At least, I never use it
[04:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is what I use.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> oops
[04:49] <Hobbsee> -install, yes
[04:49] <Massacration> but here i got the message: "couldn't find the dist-upgrade package
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:50] <Massacration> now the same olde message
[04:51] <Massacration> won't upgrade that package
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, try sudo apt-get upgrade kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
[04:53] <Massacration> same old message...
[04:53] <Massacration> thanks anyway
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Grr, there's gotta be a reason for it.
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Just don't know why
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[04:53] <Massacration> it says sothing about broken packages
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[04:54] <Massacration> Depende: libpoppler0c2-qt (>= 0.4.0) mas no vai ser instalado
[04:54] <Massacration> Depende: libpoppler0c2-qt (>= 0.4.0) mas no vai ser instalado
[04:54] <Massacration> depends on that package above
[04:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, so some dependency is missing
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Doesn't apt automatically install all dependencies? :o
[04:55] <Massacration> yeah I though so...
[04:55] <KaoticEvil> CheeseBurgerMan: always as for me
[04:55] <KaoticEvil> has*
[04:56] <Hobbsee> it should
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Massacration: does it say that it's not installable, or that it's not going to be installed?
[04:56] <Massacration> another strange thing in my system, is that the whole system is in english, only the aptget is in portuguese brazilian... don't know why...
[04:56] <nalioth> Massacration: are you using non ubuntu repos?
[04:56] <Massacration> I will list my rep
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> use pastebin
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> as it says in the topic. :P
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> Otherwise you'll be automatically kicked for flooding
[04:57] <Massacration> how do i use it?
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Go to the site, paste your message, and press submit
[04:58] <Massacration> which site?
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> and it's send, not submit
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> but close. ;)
[04:59] <GNU_Style> can I compile and mane xconfig the kernel on another hdd not in usr/src --- cause my / is low on space
[04:59] <darkmatter1> hey....
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1: Try the directions in the link?
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> GNU_Style: Not a clue
[04:59] <darkmatter1> yeah...
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> And?
[05:00] <darkmatter1> wouldnt work
[05:00] <Massacration> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/621161
[05:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Grrrrrr
[05:00] <Kyral> GNU_Style: you can do it anywhere
[05:00] <darkmatter1> :/
[05:00] <Kyral> GNU_Style: /usr/src is just recommended because its usually the first place programs look for the resulting headers
[05:00] <darkmatter1> so there is no way for me to get into either os....
[05:01] <darkmatter1> or to fix this
[05:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> You can boot from the CD, and try either reinstalling GRUB, or installing LILO
[05:01] <Massacration> cheeseburgerman any coment about my reps?
[05:01] <darkmatter1> i tried reinstalling grub
[05:01] <darkmatter1> not working
[05:01] <darkmatter1> and what is LILO?
[05:01] <GNU_Style> but if I create a symlink to the extracted source file and cd in the symlink make xconfig ---it says permission denied even if i sudo or even if im root
[05:01] <Massacration> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/621161
[05:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> LILO is LInux LOader - basically the same thing as GRUB
[05:02] <darkmatter1> well
[05:02] <darkmatter1> how am I to install it?
[05:03] <Massacration> meanwhile I wait for an answer... Any good theme for KDE?
[05:03] <darkmatter1> are we sure this is a problem with grub anyways?
[05:03] <darkmatter1> the installation seemed fine to me
[05:03] <regeya> define 'good theme', Massacration
[05:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Massacration: Everything looks OK to me, but I'd hardly consider that a difinitive answer on the subject.
[05:04] <Massacration> different than the default ones
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Massacration: see kde-look.org
[05:04] <Massacration> thanks anyway cheeseburguerman
[05:04] <Massacration> but any ideas? any different theme that worth installing?
[05:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use "Web"
[05:05] <GNU_Style> how do I use chmod to change file group and ownership?
[05:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> changing ownership is chown
[05:05] <regeya> I mean, right now I'm using the Baghira windowborder style with a Milk scheme, the Lipstik widget style, NuoveXT icons, and a colorscheme that makes Aqua Graphite look way too flashy, and I think it's awesome.  but you might think it looks like crud, Massacration.  as someone else said, http://kde-look.org
[05:05] <regeya> !theme
[05:06] <darkmatter1> are we sure this is a problem with grub anyways?the installation seemed fine to me
[05:06] <Massacration> thanks for the long aswer man!
[05:06] <regeya> !tell Massacration about KDETheme
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1: I'm not sure what to suggest, sorry.
[05:06] <darkmatter1> damn
[05:07] <regeya> !tell Massacration about KDEThemes
[05:07] <darkmatter1> is there any way to get my old system back up?
[05:07] <darkmatter1> can i just tell it to boot from c/
[05:07] <darkmatter1> ?
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Boot from you Windows CD, go into the recovery console, and type in "fixmbr"
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> your*
[05:07] <darkmatter1> will i still have all my files/
[05:08] <regeya> CheeseBurgerMan: I've added that to my list of things to do to fix a windows install
[05:08] <regeya> thx
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[05:09] <darkmatter1> and, if I call a computer repair guy or something, would he know how to fix all of this?
[05:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes, you'll still have your files, it just overwrites the MBR with a standard Windows MBR
[05:09] <darkmatter1> k
[05:09] <darkmatter1> ive g2 eat
[05:09] <darkmatter1> bye
[05:13] <GNU_Style> how do I change ownership and group of <filename.tar.bz2> to <user> <group>
[05:14] <Hobbsee> sudo chown user.group /path/to/filename.tar.bz2
[05:16] <callie> ha blue yonder suck
[05:29] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i like part 3.7 of that guide!  wish more people would obey it!
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Which part's that again?  (It's been a while.)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> 3.7.   Right.  (btw, on an unrelated note, you've been opped for half an hour now.)
[05:30] <callie> lol
[05:30] <Hobbsee> good point
[05:30] <Hobbsee> i thought i might need them
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, it happens.  Just heeding Seveas' advice to point that out (since he's so guilty of it himself).
[05:31] <Massacration> Who here can consider itself addicted to computers?
[05:31] <callie> Me!
[05:31] <Massacration> me too
[05:32] <Massacration> I'm trying to quit
[05:32] <callie> im so addicted i have a spare computer so if this on dies i dont have to kill myself or wait ot get a new one
[05:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Massacration: I'm not. :P
[05:32] <Massacration> I've spent to many of my lifetime in front of this...
[05:33] <Massacration> I use computers everyday since I was 9...
[05:33] <[Nige] > how do I install firefox 1.0.5 on kubuntu?
[05:33] <Massacration> I'm 22 now...
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Let's ddos him! Flood his ports! hack his computer! Use an rm -rf / on it!
[05:33] <[Nige] > i have downloaded the tar.gz from them
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> !firefox
[05:33] <Massacration> extract wherever ypu ant the firfox
[05:33] <[Nige] > okay
[05:33] <Massacration> and run it
[05:33] <[Nige] > where is the better place to install it?
[05:33] <[Nige] > /usr/share?
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> You don't install
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Just...extract
[05:34] <[Nige] > okay
[05:34] <Massacration> extract where you can't modify
[05:34] <Massacration> can modify
[05:34] <[Nige] > okay
[05:34] <Massacration> so otherwise u won't be able to update it on the future
[05:34] <Hobbsee> !tell [Nige]  about firefox1.5
[05:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, firefox1.5 - I was close.
[05:36] <Massacration> Just curious how old are you guys?
[05:38] <callie> not that curious!
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Apparently not
[05:40] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: you know, i'm starting to think this article is more and more accurate, the more of it that i read.  and maybe starting to think that i'm not so paranoid after all :P
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Yeah, we just need more people to read it now.  So feel free to drop a factoid once in a while or something I guess.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> or stick it in my quit/part message
[05:41] <Hobbsee> !women
[05:41] <ubotu> I guess women is Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ to learn how to act, mister!
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe, there we go
[05:43] <[Nige] > okay
[05:43] <[Nige] > I followd that, but it loses all my themes I apply and use when I close firefox
[05:43] <[Nige] > :S
[05:44] <oxez> I added a MIME-type in Konqueror, I named it: audio/guitar-pro. I added the files associations *.gp4, *.gp3, *.GP3, *.GP4, changed the icon that type of file. But, in konqueror (and on my desktop), those files still have the blank icon :/
[05:45] <oxez> But they open with the correct program (guitar pro 4)
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Very nice.
[05:54] <GNU_Style> how do I mount my FAT32 as my <username> no root
[05:54] <callie> GNU_Style, you cant mount unless its as root, but you can give your username access
[05:55] <GNU_Style> how to do that?
[05:55] <callie>  !fstab
[05:55] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[05:56] <callie> hope that helps GNU_Style
[05:56] <GNU_Style>  /dev/sda7 on /media/sda7 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0111,dmask=0000)
[05:57] <GNU_Style> but still I cant extract a tarball using tar jxvf <filename.tar.bz2> it says something about permissions
[05:57] <callie> whats does it say exactly?
[05:58] <callie> it may be the mount point that needs sorting GNU_Style
[05:58] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: where are you trying to extract it to?
[05:58] <metalhedd> how do I brose the software in adept by category? is it possible?
[05:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> metalhedd: Not that I've found. I use Kynaptic for that.
[06:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh wait
[06:00] <metalhedd> kynaptic eh? never heard of it.
[06:00] <metalhedd> i'm going to check it out.
[06:00] <callie> GNU_Style, you can just do #chown <username> /media/sda7
[06:00] <[Nige] > its a permission problem :)
[06:00] <[Nige] > did a grep to find it
[06:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> In the "Easy Tag Filter" look in Use
[06:01] <metalhedd> CheeseBurgerMan: not sure I get what you're saying. i dont see 'use' anywhere.
[06:01] <metalhedd> also kynaptic isn't in  the repo's?
[06:01] <GNU_Style> i must put the '#' before #chown?
[06:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> !repos
[06:01] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> You might want to do that, metalhedd
[06:02] <callie> GNU_Style, # means as root
[06:02] <metalhedd> CheeseBurgerMan: already did. i have multiverse and universe enabled
[06:02] <metalhedd> using dapper actually
[06:02] <callie> GNU_Style, and $ mean as a user
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[06:02] <metalhedd> maybe thats why?
[06:02] <GNU_Style> callie: when extracting it says --tar: linux-source-2.6.12: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted
[06:02] <metalhedd> can I install it anyway?
[06:02] <crimsun> GNU_Style: your user needs to be in the 'src' grop
[06:02] <crimsun> group^
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> metalhedd: Yeah, that's why
[06:03] <callie> GNU_Style, or just do it as root
[06:03] <GNU_Style> yep my user is in the src group, when I used the 'groups' command
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> It's not in dapper's repos
[06:03] <GNU_Style> when I do it as root I cannot menu xconfig
[06:03] <metalhedd> would it work if I just found a deb somewhere?
[06:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22850
[06:04] <callie> is there a way in bash to get info on groups? their definitions that is?
[06:04] <GNU_Style> callie: im not sure
[06:05] <metalhedd> man... how did my tab completion get so damn smart?
[06:06] <metalhedd> it's way better than i remember it being in breezy
[06:11] <regeya> anyone here running dapper, and if so, any idea what would cause the initramfs-tools setup to hang?
[06:12] <metalhedd> i'm running it, but I have no idea. my install went just fine
[06:12] <regeya> dang.
[06:13] <regeya> ah.  it seems to be hanging on /usr/sbin/evms_query info, which when I run it manually, returns 'evms_open_engine() failed with error code 13: Permission denied'.
[06:13] <frank23> callie: in /etc/group ?
[06:14] <frank23> regeya: try #ubuntu+1 for dapper
[06:14] <regeya> ty frank23
[06:15] <callie> frank23, i was reffering more to what those actual groups mean as in what they give access to, ok with some its obvious but others maybe not so
[06:17] <frank23> callie: oh. i don't know I'm sure many of those are standard on linux. googling might help
[06:17] <metalhedd> ok.. debtags.  brilliant. now I understand how to use this thing
[06:17] <callie> frank23, im sure i could find out, i just wandered if there was info somewhere on the computer itself
[06:18] <frank23> callie: I don't know
[06:29] <regeya> dcc send
[06:30] <GNU_Style> dcc send
[06:30] <Teknoenie> evening all
[06:30] <Teknoenie> i can't seem to get XviD support to work again in dapper
[06:30] <Teknoenie> any ideas
[06:30] <Teknoenie> w32codecs is installed
[06:31] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: DO NOT USE THE EXPLOIT, UNLESS YOU WANT A KLINE!
[06:31] <GNU_Style> I have done a apt-get dist-upgrade but kde is still 3.5 not 3.5.1?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: did you get the repo added?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> regeya:  DO NOT USE THE EXPLOIT, UNLESS YOU WANT A KLINE!
[06:33] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: yah I did as instructed in kubuntu
[06:33] <robotgeek> Hobbsee was nice enuf to give you a warning
[06:33] <crimsun> someone's puttin' the smack down
[06:33] <crimsun> :)
[06:33] <robotgeek> hey crimsun , how you been?
[06:34] <crimsun> robotgeek: not bad, yourself?
[06:34] <robotgeek> crimsun: good, keeping myself busy with various things kubuntu
[06:35] <crimsun> cool, cool
[06:35] <regeya> Hobbsee, my apologies, and thanks for informing me that it's an exploit.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> regeya: no problems.  but it is a pain
[06:36] <regeya> Hobbsee: is it?  as far as I could tell, it's jsut a pain for the poor person instructing someone else to...well, you know.
[06:37] <regeya> you make me wonder about something in #debian, though...
[06:37] <Hobbsee> regeya: as i'm one of the people who's affected each time this is run, unless i connect to a different port (which i now do), it is rather a pain, yes!
[06:37] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: what EXPLOIT are you taking about?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: the one that you tried to use.
[06:38] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: whats that?I dont even have an Idea?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: you dont need to know.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> just dont type in random commands that you dotn understand
[06:38] <regeya> no kidding.  I'm getting threatened with a kickban, and getting a fair amount of hostility, for doing what seemed to be merely taunting the bot once, and it seemed to inconvenience only myself.  Again, I'm sorry to have to cause someone to vent their spleen
[06:38] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: anyways why my KDE is still 3.5?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> i dont know
[06:39] <regeya> Setting up evms (2.5.4-5ubuntu3) ... <- hoboy
[06:39] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: can I apt-get it manually?
[06:40] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: did you add the repos for kde 3.5.1?
[06:40] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: yes I did as instaructed in kubuntu wiki and apt-get update to download the headers
[06:41] <robotgeek> regeya: nevermind, but that was a common irc exploit causing a lot of pain to everyone
[06:41] <robotgeek> !kde3.5.1
[06:41] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:41] <unix_infidel> !kde3.5
[06:41] <ubotu> (you might want !kde3.5.1) To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:41] <frank23> Riddel said kde 3.5.2 is out for testing too
[06:41] <regeya> GNU_Style: let's just say you shouldn't ask anyone to send you files via irc, or you'll cause yourself to be kicked and apparently a large hammer to fall on Hobbsee's head.
[06:42] <robotgeek> regeya: you did it publicly, which was how the exploit was triggered
[06:42] <unix_infidel> !kde3.5.1
[06:42] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:42] <regeya> I see.
[06:43] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: what is an exploit?
[06:43] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28computer_security%29
[06:44] <VRWarper> meh with the new dapper theme for kdm
[06:44] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: the URL tells me how to add the repos but doesnt say how to install>
[06:44] <VRWarper> the background.. color.. doesnt extend the full screen
[06:44] <regeya> robotgeek, I've been workign way too hard lately to have been following any security lists...is there some sort of exploit in some popular client or something, and if so, well, I'm sorry to hear that the author/package maintainers are too inept to have fixed it yet, and I must confess I was ignorant of it.  a simple explanation rather than a glib 'you don't need to know' would have sufficed
[06:45] <VRWarper> on my laptop (which has a wider-than-normal screen)
[06:45] <VRWarper> its not really a problem except it looks ugly
[06:45] <VRWarper> :|
[06:45] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: any ideas how?
[06:46] <robotgeek> regeya: check server window
[06:46] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:46] <frank23> VRWarper: only the background is the problem? or is it the resolution?
[06:46] <VRWarper> background
[06:46] <VRWarper> heh the resolution itself is fine
[06:46] <regeya> that's a great frank herbert bio, but hardly relevant
[06:46] <VRWarper> its not a major problem
[06:47] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: i did that already, it kust updates my 3.4 into 3.5 not 3.5.1
[06:47] <VRWarper> after i login, my own personal background stretches across the screen
[06:47] <frank23> VRWarper: well select stretch in the wallpaper configuration dialog
[06:47] <VRWarper> in kdm?
[06:47] <VRWarper> in kdm the "background" does not stretch and the login is off centered
[06:47] <frank23> VRWarper: oh.. kdm I don't know
[06:47] <VRWarper> heh
[06:48] <frank23> VRWarper: ask #ubuntu+1  maybe it's a bug
[06:48] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: can you paste your sources.list to the pastebin
[06:48] <VRWarper> also, xgl +kde crashes at the end of startup on my laptop as well (ati x700 mobile)
[06:48] <VRWarper> :( gnome runs just fine though
[06:48] <VRWarper> xgl+compiz+gnome that is
[06:49] <VRWarper> i never get far enough with xgl+kde to start compiz heh
[06:51] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: http://pastebin.com/621278
[06:52] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: ?
[06:52] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: looking, second
[06:53] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: http://pastebin.com/621281 use that as your sources.list
[06:54] <callie> time for sleep
[06:54] <callie> night guys
[06:54] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: k
[06:55] <bucky> regeya: so just because you were "threatened with bannination" its my fucking fault
[06:56] <crimsun> um
[06:56] <crimsun> let's keep that out of here, 'k?
[06:56] <crimsun> thanks.
[06:58] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: now downloading thanks for your help
[06:59] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: cool. enjoy
[07:21] <rob_> hi.. im running dapper (just reinstalled after destorying my breezy) ive installed wpa_supplicant but its missing the init.d script to start it up. can someone explain why its not there anymore or send me the script so i dont have to manually start wpa_supplicant?
[07:22] <poningru> rob_: you are supposed to use it with something else like network manager or wifi radar or whatever
[07:22] <poningru> there are many init scripts floating around
[07:22] <poningru> just google it
[07:22] <me2win> !seen eleaf
[07:22] <rob_> yea..
[07:22] <ubotu> eleaf is currently on #ubuntu+1 (13m 1s) #ubuntu-offtopic (13m 1s) #ubuntu (13m 1s)
[07:24] <poningru> rob_: if you cant find it in like 5 mins come back and bug me I will go looking around for it
[07:24] <rob_> thanks
[07:24] <luansheng> anyone could tell me than some tools for clean the trash files in the ubuntu? thanks
[07:25] <graeme> dialup modem gives lcp: timeout  sending Config-Requests with my ISP but connects to another ISP (not mine)
[07:26] <poningru> luansheng: what do you mean?
[07:26] <luansheng> my meaning is that how to clean the ubuntu for making it thin because my diskspace is very pretty
[07:26] <poningru> I still dont understand what you mean
[07:26] <poningru> rm -r ~/.Trash/*
[07:26] <poningru> just go do that
[07:27] <luansheng> ok
[07:27] <luansheng> let me try
[07:27] <poningru> what exactly do you want to do?
[07:27] <poningru> why not just go in konq and delete the stuff in that file?
[07:27] <luansheng> I want to make get more disk space
[07:28] <poningru> then just go delete it
[07:28] <luansheng> how to delete the stuff? poningru
[07:28] <nalioth> ubotu: tell luansheng about cli
[07:28] <poningru> but no I am sure we can resolve this without cli
[07:28] <poningru> he simply wants to delete the stuff from his trash
[07:29] <poningru> in konq
[07:29] <poningru> go to ~/.Trash
[07:29] <poningru> select them all and delete
[07:29] <luansheng> no, i want to get more diskspace
[07:29] <poningru> buy a new hard disk
[07:29] <poningru> OH
[07:29] <poningru> I think I understand what you are saying
[07:30] <poningru> you dont want all the extra packages that are installed by default in kubuntu?
[07:30] <Red_Herring> anyone have a spare hard drive?
[07:30] <luansheng> i also delete some unusful package that i don't know
[07:30] <Red_Herring> sudo apt-get clean
[07:30] <Red_Herring> fyi
[07:30] <poningru> luansheng: run that ^^^
[07:31] <luansheng> i have do it
[07:31] <Kyral> okay this is sketchy
[07:31] <Kyral> why does this freeze...
[07:32] <luansheng> what's cli?
[07:32] <Red_Herring> command line interface
[07:32] <luansheng> can you tell me?
[07:32] <luansheng> i want to try it
[07:32] <Red_Herring> sure
[07:32] <Red_Herring> open up a terminal
[07:32] <poningru> luansheng: what language do you speak?
[07:33] <Red_Herring> THERE YOU GO
[07:33] <luansheng> i speak chinese
[07:33] <poningru> I am sure we have support for your language
[07:33] <poningru> hmm hold on
[07:34] <luansheng> i am sorry about my pretty english
[07:34] <luansheng> I open the konsole'
[07:34] <frank23> luansheng: I don't know about breezy, but dapper (the next version of ubuntu) is supposed to have much better asian language support
[07:36] <luansheng> now i am use breezy 5.10
[07:37] <frank23> luansheng: you can try #ubuntu-zh   #ubuntu-cn  or #ubuntu-tw  but they are almost empty
[07:38] <frank23> luansheng: actually more people in 0tw
[07:38] <luansheng> ok,let me try it.
[07:38] <luansheng> i want ask a question about kubuntu
[07:39] <GNU_Style> my firefox is using a diferrent cursor from KDE apps why?
[07:39] <luansheng> i know very little pople use this os,they mostly use the windowsxp
[07:40] <frank23> GNU_Style: it's a mouse theme thing...  the forums have instructions on how to fix this I think
[07:40] <nige_> is there a bug with kubuntu and its taskbar no showing all applications?
[07:42] <me2win> nige_, not that i know of
[07:44] <nige_> okay
[07:44] <nige_> because I run dual monitors, and I only get the applications from monitor 1 showing on the application bar
[07:44] <GNU_Style> frank23: I cant find the fix
[07:45] <GNU_Style> any help
[07:45] <nige_> me2win, i post a screenshot
[07:45] <nige_> http://nige.gotdns.com/screenshot.png , its huge and I am sorry for that, but see schat is being displayed correctly
[07:51] <frank23> nige_: when I last tried dual screen it did that too. It might be normal. There might be a way around it too, I don't know
[07:52] <GNU_Style> where's superkaramba in kde 3.5.1?
[07:52] <me2win> nige_, i have a big monitor, heh so i can see most of it at once width wise
[07:52] <GNU_Style> where's superkaramba in kde 3.5.1?
[07:53] <_benny_> hi guy how are oyu
[07:53] <nige_> lol nice :)
[07:54] <nige_> i created a 2nd panel, so it displays both
[07:54] <nige_> :)
[07:54] <murac|> hmmh...how to install xmms ?....apt-get install cant find xmms from those repositories
[07:54] <murac|> im newbie
[07:55] <murac|> :)
[07:55] <murac|> i mean Adept
[07:55] <chavo> murac|, why xmms?
[07:55] <murac|> which is better ?
[07:55] <murac|> to play mp3
[07:55] <murac|> i dont know much ..
[07:55] <chavo> I like amarok or juk
[07:56] <chavo> they are both kde apps
[07:56] <murac|> hmmh....amarok...can i found it from default repositories ?
[07:56] <chavo> amarok is very advanced and juk for the simple player
[07:56] <chavo> it should be yes
[07:56] <murac|> hmh..ill test
[07:57] <frank23> chavo: hmm.... juk wants to remove kubuntu-desktop for me
[07:58] <murac|i> it says Package juk is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:58] <murac|i> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:58] <murac|i> is only available from another source
[07:58] <murac|i> E: Package juk has no installation candidate
[07:58] <murac|i> sory to paste so long lines..
[07:58] <frank23> murac|i: xmms should be available. something is wrong with your sources
[07:59] <frank23> murac|i: using apt-get or adept?
[07:59] <frank23> murac|i: try a reload/update
[07:59] <murac|i> hmm...there is default only cd source...
[07:59] <chavo> hmm I have both juk and amarok here
[07:59] <chavo> I'm running dapper thoiugh
[07:59] <murac|i> should i add universe repositories ?
[07:59] <murac|i> from adept
[07:59] <murac|i> frank23: i used apt-get
[08:00] <frank23> chavo: juk and amarok should be fine... the problem is akode gets removed by juk
[08:00] <murac|i> frank23: which one you recommend to use ?
[08:00] <murac|i> it depends....i know :)
[08:00] <chavo> frank23, yes I see that now
[08:01] <frank23> chavo: you shouldn't need universe for xmms or juk. either is fine.  try sudo apt-get update then try install again
[08:01] <murac|i> and one more thing...how can i set default eth1 from start
[08:01] <murac|i> i had to do eth1 up
[08:01] <murac|i> dhclient eth1
[08:01] <murac|i> could u help with that