[05:11] <Kilos> good morning everyone
[08:31] <elacheche> Morning guys!
[08:32] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[12:41] <dpm> hi wxl, are you around?
[12:44] <nhaines> dpm: I'd like to be involved in the "Supporting Ubucons worldwide hangout a bit later today.
[12:45] <dpm> nhaines, cool!
[12:45] <dpm> nhaines, you should see the link to join the session in the page, but I can send you the link before the session starts too
[12:45] <nhaines> I should've said something last week, but my sleep schedule's been unpredictable lately.  Strength and weakness of working from home. ;)
[12:46] <nhaines> I don't see a link there yet, so maybe I'll ping you a couple minutes beforehand.
[14:58] <nhaines> dpm: didn't see that hangouts URL yet.  :)
[14:58] <dpm> nhaines, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfq3jrrLgWwjpPFiSSopUtj0DTV_zEGFqFnxyzGTGFPPsCceA :)
[14:58] <nhaines> dpm: yay!
[15:11]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:37] <wxl> am now dpm. what's up?
[18:59] <dpm> wxl, sorry, I've been in sessions, never replied back. I was going to ask you about the lxqt session schedule, but it seems you've figured it out already with balloons
[19:00] <balloons> dpm, yep, ack. I was going to ping after.. I should have ;-)
[19:00] <dpm> thanks guys
[19:06] <wxl> yep thanks for checking dpm


[02:37] <dobey> LStranger: well, or it needs someone to "fix" the s390x test for plasma-framework. it's not about openbox depending on plasma, but plasma depends on openbox
[02:38] <dobey> LStranger: maybe talk to mirv or slangasek on monday, since it seems they've both commented on that bug.
[07:28] <ginggs> Is there a problem on the armhf buildds at the moment? Can't locate Dpkg/Arch.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Dpkg::Arch module)
[08:16] <ginggs> ah, seems it just needed the armhf build of perl 5.24.1~rc4-1 to become available in zety-proposed.
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> is it normal to sync daemontools? the upstart delta seems droppable, right?
[11:35] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: iirc, ubuntu phone still uses upstart
[13:43] <mrottenkolber> Hi, is there a standard guide for keybindings? E.g. what document defines that C-s should always be "save" and C-q should be "quit" etc in Ubuntu. Is it Freedsktop related?
[13:56] <Son_Goku> mrottenkolber, no
[13:57] <Son_Goku> mrottenkolber: no, it's a convention that was inherited from GNOME
[13:57] <mrottenkolber> there is no reference at all?
[13:58] <Son_Goku> well, ehh
[13:58] <mrottenkolber> e.g. a formal reference
[13:58] <Son_Goku> I think it's mentioned in the GNOME and KDE HIGs
[13:58] <Son_Goku> but I'm not sure about that
[13:58] <mrottenkolber> hig? human interface guide?
[13:58] <Son_Goku> yes
[14:57] <LStranger> I think the first de-facto keybindings standard was from Microsoft, then all others taken it as a template for convenience.
[14:58] <LStranger> Or may be even from Apple, cannot remember who was first with wide-spread GUI.
[16:24] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, somebody (pitti maybe?) told that upstart delta should be dropped, sometime ago
[16:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I opened a bug for this, lets see if we can reach a common decision :)
[16:27] <LocutusOfBorg> we should put some statement on ubuntu-devel mail list


 yeah I noticed that during SRU testing @Leokolb ; almost time to boil & make a cup of tea for each data entry
[00:51] <guiverc> raileribm33tt


[02:22] <mareklug> so….  if I drop a file into my Ubuntu One folder  (which is always synced, it says), the file should show up on the website under https://one.ubuntu.com/files/  ?
[02:28] <mareklug> it sort of works, only you have to quit Ubuntu One and restart it (Mac OS X)
[02:31] <mareklug> 2nd time it worked without quitting, though.


[00:06] <mtaylor> SpamapS: just noticed enabling of federated engine in the 5.5 experimental tree ... has Oracle updated/fixed that engine? cause it's pretty broken/unmaintained
[00:10] <SpamapS> mtaylor: Probably not. :-P
[00:10] <mtaylor> SpamapS: k. just wanted to bring it up
[00:11] <SpamapS> mtaylor: any chance maria has federatedX in its place?
[00:12] <SpamapS> mtaylor: Been speaking with the Maria people about the possibility of wholesale switching off the dev.mysql.com versions to mariadb
[00:12] <mtaylor> SpamapS: yes. maria has federatedX
[04:47] <endzYme> anyone have any experience with openstack and sensu?
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Now I am annoyed.
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Ubuntu 11.10 is not auto-booting anymore. LOL
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Countdown timer isn't even running at initial bootup on so far 2 VM's of mine.
[08:47] <RoyK> now that's a good wtf
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> Yeah..
[08:47]  * RoyK sticks to LTS for servers, though
[08:48] <RoyK> not that *that* stops bugs from happening
[08:48] <Psi-Jack> I do usually too, but I wanted something newer for my Firewalls and Directors.
[08:48] <RoyK> bacula?
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> No...?
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> Firewalls and LVS Directors. :p
[08:50]  * RoyK thought bacula director, and has no idea what an LVS director might be
[08:51] <Psi-Jack> ipvsadm stuff for load balancing network connections to multiple endpoints.
[08:51] <RoyK> k
[08:51] <RoyK> is that really a good idea to run on a vm?
[08:51] <Psi-Jack> ldirectord in Ubuntu 10.04 has the same bugs as in Debian 6.0.3 still, which is a perl error.
[08:51] <Psi-Jack> Yep. kvm at least. Xen, no.
[08:52] <Psi-Jack> xen's vNIC sucks.
[08:53] <RoyK> k
[08:53] <Psi-Jack> Trying to rebuild my two NAS servers to use Ubuntu instead of openSUSE, too many darned problems.
[08:55] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: might feel good in the end, though
[08:55]  * RoyK does NOT like SuSE, open or not
[08:55] <Psi-Jack> I liked SUSE.
[08:56] <Psi-Jack> I still like it for desktop platforms, but..
[08:56] <RoyK> is suse dead?
[08:56] <Psi-Jack> For server platform's, when I have to vgchange -a y every bootup to re-activate my VG's for my nasvol storage, then mount the volumes, then restart nfsserver just to get the exports to work properly /every/ boot up, there's a problem.
[08:56] <Psi-Jack> Nope.
[08:57] <Psi-Jack> 12.1 was released just November last year.
[08:58] <Psi-Jack> And, switching firewalls. Sec.
[08:58] <Psi-Jack> Cool. Done. ;)
[09:00] <Psi-Jack> Transferring qcow2 disk images, one at a time to the nas2 server, so I can rebuild nas1. heh
[09:04] <Psi-Jack> And now primary firewall back up.
[09:04] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: hence, why I put my firewalls which are my front-end facing VM's which routes my internet, into VM's. ;)
[09:04] <Psi-Jack> Live migration, connection tracking to allow failover to secondary and back to primary. ;)
[09:08] <_ruben> Psi-Jack: what do you use for failover? pacemaker? keepalived?
[09:08] <Psi-Jack> pacemaker with conntrackd.
[09:09] <_ruben> nice, that's on my waaaay-too-long todo list as well :/
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> keepalived sucks, IMHO.
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> Uses the VRRP-like approach which is insufficient.
[09:09] <_ruben> if you need a primitive solution, it'll do just fine i think (never used it myself)
[09:09] <_ruben> depending on the scenario, vrrp can be good enough :)
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> No, really.  A lot.
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:10] <Psi-Jack> Especially when combined with a firewall.
[09:11] <_ruben> yeah, but for plain routers for instance with no (stateful) firewalling for instance, it *should* suffice, but yet again: never used it, so can't really comment on its actual crappyness ;)
[09:11] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, you said it, stateful firewall.
[09:11] <Psi-Jack> And to use a non-stateful firewall, you actually have to make it LESS secure than if you used a stateful firewall. ;)
[09:11] <Psi-Jack> Not worth it. ;)
[09:12] <_ruben> the xml/crm stuff of pacemaker has kept me at bay so far .. hence i still use heartbeat v2 in legacy mode on my directors :p
[09:12] <_ruben> not every router needs to be a firewall per-se :)
[09:12] <Psi-Jack> I have firewalls running at my front-end, pacemaker handles non-symmetric clustering with per-node attributes scoring where the active router should be, and the firewall rules are auto-replicated to the failover and reloaded everytime. ;)
[09:13] <_ruben> nifty setup :)
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> I can flip flop my active router back and fourth for hours non-stop every second, and never drop a packet or get disconnected.
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> While playing high speed games. ;)
[09:13] <_ruben> nice
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> My roomate was playing League of Legends, and he never missed a beat.
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> heeh
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> keepalived couldn't do that.
[09:14] <_ruben> then again, i don't plan on flip-flopping my routers/firewalls every second for hours :)
[09:14] <_ruben> i prefer *some* stability ;)
[09:15] <Psi-Jack> That was me TESTING the stability of it. ;)
[09:15] <Psi-Jack> It was scripted for that purpose. ;)
[09:15] <_ruben> you didn't happen to do a nice write-up on that setup, did ya? :)
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> I will be on my site soon enough, yes.
[09:16] <_ruben> url?
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> http://www.psi-jack.info/   Should be presently up, on one webserver at the moment. ;)
[09:16] <_ruben> ipv4 only .. tsssk ;)
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> Actually.
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> I've already got IPv6 partially up.
[09:17] <Psi-Jack> Tunnel brokered, but the ISP's working on that.
[09:17] <Psi-Jack> I'm in their call-list for when they have it ready. ;)
[09:18] <_ruben> for ipv6 i run a mix of native + bgp tunnels + static tunnels + vpns on top of all that .. tho that's $work, not $home ;)
[09:18] <Psi-Jack> I'd like a BGP ASIN and all that, but that's... Out of my financial reach presently.
[09:20] <_ruben> heh
[09:20] <_ruben> ugh .. now why don't my dns servers use a db backend :( .. 420 dns changes to do today .. gotta love renumbering :(
[09:23] <greppy> _ruben: can you do it with sed or perl? :)
[09:23] <_ruben> greppy: sure hope so ;)
[09:23] <_ruben> else i'll be a *very* sad panda :)
[09:24] <cwillu_at_work> time to make changes by hand 4 hours
[09:24] <cwillu_at_work> time to make changes by script: 4 1/4 hours
[09:24] <cwillu_at_work> (running time of script: 0.2seconds)
[09:24] <_ruben> cwillu_at_work: that turns out to be true too often indeed ;)
[09:25] <cwillu_at_work> _ruben, automation only ever makes sense when you're gonna be doing the same thing more than once
[09:25] <cwillu_at_work> the reason we automate so readily is that you always end up doing the same thing more than once anyway :p
[09:25] <_ruben> depends on the complexity of the automation
[09:25] <cwillu_at_work> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ThreeStrikesAndYouAutomate
[09:26] <koolhead12> hi all
[09:26] <_ruben> :)
[09:28] <greppy> there are a couple of perl modules that will do things to bind config files... if that helps :)
[09:45] <spurkis> any css masters here? i know its not the right channel
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> spurkis: You're right. Try #css
[09:46] <spurkis> cheers
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> Well.. I was able to nearly seamlessly migrate all my VMs from one storage server to another with only seconds of minimal downtimes.
[10:50] <smb> jamespage, Is that another known cobbler bug or just another case of me being too dumb...?
[10:50] <smb> Exception occured: <type 'exceptions.AttributeError'>
[10:50] <smb> Exception value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'os_version'
[10:50] <smb> (oneiric install)
[10:50] <smb> (trying to import a hardy alternate iso
[11:46] <jamespage> smb: hmm - might be a bug
[11:46] <jamespage> any more stack trace to go on?
[11:48] <smb> jamespage, I think it was caused by something I put into one of the fields when trying to create an image from the web ui. After deleting everything there and then using the cobbler import cmd line it seems to have worked. Just the used seed file looks not really usable...
[14:57] <tdn> How do I make my computer automatically mount an NFS share IFF it is available? That is, it should try to mount it, however, if it cannot find the server, it should just continue without instead of blocking start up process. What to put in fstab in order to do this?
[14:58] <ikonia> tdn: look at using an auto mount map
[14:58] <ikonia> tdn: that's the best way I can think of doing this
[14:58] <tdn> ikonia, auto mount map? Can you elaborate?
[14:59] <ikonia> tdn: there is a technque called auto mounting, where you map mount points to devices, and when they are used, they try to auto mount
[15:00] <ikonia> tdn: this will allow your machine to boot without stalling if the NFS devices is not there,
[15:01] <tdn> ikonia, ok, so where do I find more info on how to use this facility?
[15:01] <ikonia> googling something like NFS automount ?
[15:02] <ikonia> or "ubuntu automounter"
[15:16] <koolhead11> hi all
[15:20] <Daviey> roaksoax: around?
[15:21] <roaksoax> Daviey: here
[15:22] <roaksoax> Daviey: what's up?
[15:23] <Daviey> roaksoax: hey!  Did you upload ipxe?
[15:24] <roaksoax> Daviey: I asked lynxman to fix the branch as they were other uploads and his branch broke things
[15:24] <Daviey> (the new upstream version review)
[15:24] <roaksoax> lynxman: ^^ hope you didn't miss the email :)
[15:25] <Daviey> roaksoax: ah, is it still blocked on lynxman ?
[15:25] <Daviey> lynxman: How is it looking?
[15:25] <Daviey> roaksoax: thanks.
[15:26] <roaksoax> Daviey: https://code.launchpad.net/~lynxman/ubuntu/precise/ipxe/newsnapshot/+merge/88329
[15:28] <Daviey> roaksoax: ta!
[15:30] <hggdh> Daviey: good afternoon, and please note bug 920202 ;-)
[15:31] <hggdh> actually, it does install, just fails to start
[15:42] <zul> smoser: thats what i have so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/815444/
[15:43] <Daviey> hggdh: Oh goody!
[16:00] <Daviey> mainerror: around?
[16:00] <zul> who is suppose to be running the meeting today?
[16:01] <Daviey> SpamapS: meeting, i think you are chair
[16:20] <jbicha> Hi, I've been trying to get gnome-boxes to run and it requires qemu to be built with spice support. How should we handle this?
[16:21] <jbicha> I found bug 878162 which suggests we could use a separate source package for it
[16:41] <jjohansen> Daviey: so I am hoping to land it this week (well assuming we don't get hit with another emergency kernel and cold like last week)
[16:41] <Daviey> Am i here?
[16:42] <Daviey> !foo
[16:48] <RoyK> !bar
[16:49] <RoyK> !pebkac
[16:49] <RoyK> idiobot
[16:49] <koolhead17> hi all
[16:49] <RoyK>
[16:50] <koolhead17> RoyK: spare poor bot :)
[16:56] <smoser> smb, if you have issues getting cobbler going, i'll help
[16:57] <smb> Daviey, So current issue is when I have a pxe install on a xen hvm, it usually fails because it claims to not be able to verify the signatures of some packages. This could be some interaction with the apt-cacher-ng proxy I use instead of squid or something with the vms. But I ned to do another round of installation with a profile I just did sucessfully on bare metal
[16:57] <smb> smoser, ^
[16:57] <smoser> mirrors suck
[16:58] <smoser> it is squid/apt-cacher-ng/actual-mirror-problem
[16:58] <smoser> we hit this all the time
[16:58] <smoser> smb, try running check-archive from https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/check-archive/
[16:58] <Jeeves_> I've only seen that with apt-cacher-ng
[16:58] <Jeeves_> after a restart of apt-cacher, it worked again
[16:58] <smoser> (it has usage, but if that reports failure, then you can't really expect to successfully install)
[16:59] <smb> smoser, weird thing is that when I run installs in the vm using iso and the same mirror all is fine
[16:59] <koolhead17> smoser: i will also need few minutes of yours. Reg  juju and cloud-init
[16:59] <smb> but I will try the check program
[16:59] <smoser> Jeeves_, thats helpful, but yeah, with inconsistent mirrors (coming from a proxy or a real mirror, installs are correctly going to fail suspicious of bad things)
[16:59] <smoser> smb, could be race
[17:00] <smoser> xen maybe going faster or slower, i dont know.
[17:00] <smoser> you can get the syslog from the system, and if you're able to get a console on it, you can manyally try
[17:00] <smoser>   chroot /target apt-get update
[17:00] <Daviey> So.. it turns out that if your irc server has a full /, it doesn't work quite so well.
[17:00] <smoser> and you should see failure there.
[17:00] <smoser> Daviey, ah. just clear up some space in /
[17:00] <smoser> run this: sudo rm -Rf /
[17:01] <smoser> ok, no one actually run that please.
[17:01] <Daviey> smoser: yeah, that worked perfectly.
[17:01] <smb> hehe
[17:01] <Daviey> smoser: You'd make a good BOFH
[17:02] <smb> smoser, So yes I can try that next. I will just repeat with a profile I just installed on real hw (and hardy, so I know it has not changed much since then)
[17:02] <Daviey> right
[17:10] <smb> zul, btw, I closed the bug about that weird key error. could not reproduce it now that I sanitized my network configs  a bit. Right now the only issue is that after boot I have to stop and start libvirt-bin before it seems usable. Think jamespage had that before, but iirc others had the problem of having multiple dnsmasq's running, while I only have one
[17:12] <smb> Apart from that there seems to be sometimes the issue that shutdown is not reliably recognized via libvirt. And it feels reconnecting after that happens get slower and slower (not very precisely measured, I admit)
[17:38] <roknir> quick question: the motd that server has that shows system info... what package is responsible for that?
[17:44] <roknir> is it landscape-sysinfo?
[17:49] <JanC> roknir: package is landscape-common
[17:49] <JanC> landscape-sysinfo is the command
[17:51] <Aison> hello, how can I use apt-cache search to get only the packages without the description?
[17:55] <chesterman> hello everyone
[17:56] <chesterman> i got the cloud image (ami-cc20ffd1 with kernel aki-cc3ce3d1) up and running on ec2
[17:57] <patdk-wk> YAY
[17:57]  * patdk-wk passes around the wine
[17:57] <chesterman> after first boot, i set apt to use the multiverse and partner repositories, and upgraded the system, including the kernel
[17:58] <chesterman> 1º reboot ok
[17:58] <chesterman> than i changed the default locale, so i could use pt_BR.ISO-8858-1
[17:58] <chesterman> rebooted... and now i cannot access the instance
[17:58] <RoyK> 1˚ reboot?
[17:59]  * RoyK whines about -10˚C
[17:59]  * patdk-wk wines about 34C
[18:00]  * RoyK throws icy snowballs at patdk-wk
[18:00] <koolhead17> okey am trying to install oauth using pecl install oauth
[18:01] <chesterman> the first reboot (after the kernel upgrade) was ok
[18:01] <chesterman> but after the second reboot (when i changed the default locale) i cannot access the instance anymore
[18:01] <utlemming> chesterman: do you have the console log?
[18:01] <chesterman> utlemming: yeah
[18:01] <koolhead17> got some phpize error and checked the wiki
[18:01] <chesterman> Loading, please wait...
[18:01] <chesterman> [1006207.360433] udevd[78]: starting version 173
[18:01] <chesterman> Begin: Loading essential drivers ... done.
[18:01] <chesterman> Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount ... done.
[18:01] <chesterman> Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ... done.
[18:01] <chesterman> Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... done.
[18:01] <chesterman> [1006207.593405] EXT4-fs (xvda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[18:01] <chesterman> Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ... done.
[18:01] <chesterman> done.
[18:01] <chesterman> Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.
[18:01] <chesterman> lxcmount stop/pre-start, process 181
[18:01] <chesterman> [1006207.789659] init: mountall main process (188) terminated with status 127
[18:01] <koolhead17> it asks install php5-dev
[18:02] <chesterman> this is the end of the system log
[18:02] <utlemming> chesterman: can you put the console log to paste.ubuntu.com?
[18:02] <utlemming> chesterman: thw whole log, if you would please
[18:03] <chesterman> utlemming: sure. here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/815583/
[18:04] <koolhead17> http://pastebin.com/MCRWSHRv  am i hitting a bug ?
[18:05] <utlemming> chesterman: did you add anything to /etc/fstab?
[18:06] <utlemming> chesterman: your problem is
[18:06] <chesterman> no. i added a ebs to the instance and created a partition, but did not added to the fstab
[18:07] <utlemming> [1006207.789659] init: mountall main process (188) terminated with status 127
[18:07] <utlemming> which is preventing SSH from coming up
[18:07] <utlemming> so _something_ didn't mount
[18:07] <chesterman> i'll try do remove the ebs and start again
[18:07] <utlemming> can you try repeat the process with a new instance?
[18:09] <stgraber> hey there. Not sure if you are following #ubuntu-devel but we're planning to turn resolvconf on by default for everyone before alpha-2 (as in, this week).
[18:09] <stgraber> I've been doing quite a lot of testing on desktop machines without any problem (including when running libvirt)
[18:10] <stgraber> would be nice if some of you could do a bit of smoke testing on the server side of things
[18:10] <stgraber> just installing resolvconf from the archive and then rebooting should be all that you need to do
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> stgraber, is there a writeup of what that involves anywhere?
[18:10] <stgraber> cwillu_at_work: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-dns-resolving
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> (I'm not in the habit of randomly breaking servers without knowing how I'm breaking them first :p)
[18:12] <stgraber> oh, btw, this should really only be tested on Precise, resolvconf was pretty broken before Precise :)
[18:12] <cwillu_at_work> stgraber, that scares me re: (for example) hotel gateways
[18:13] <cwillu_at_work> presumably you're honouring the reported ttl's?
[18:14] <stgraber> cwillu_at_work: all that resolvconf does is generate /etc/resolv.conf based on a bunch of files in /run/resolvconf. I guess the bit that scares you is dnsmasq, that bit has been on by default for a few weeks now in Precise
[18:15] <stgraber> cwillu_at_work: and we actually turned it on while working from an hotel in Budapest, so yeah, seems to work fine :)
[18:15] <cwillu_at_work> stgraber, gee, you tested it in one entire hotel configuration? :)
[18:19] <cwillu_at_work> stgraber, I like this line of that though:
[18:19] <stgraber> cwillu_at_work: hehe, we tested quite a few more cases than that obviously and we had all Precise users run with it for the last 2 weeks without any report of weirdness
[18:19] <cwillu_at_work> "thereby reducing delays and reliability of DNS on Ubuntu." :)
[18:19] <cwillu_at_work> (reducing reliability!) :)
[18:19] <stgraber> ;)
[18:20] <stgraber> Daviey, zul, hallyn: Any of you guys have a bit of time to test resolvconf?
[18:20] <chesterman> utlemming: deattaching the second ebs didnt helped =(. i try to rebuild the steps in a new instance
[18:20] <utlemming> chesterman: k, thanks
[18:20] <zul> stgraber: later today maybe
[18:21] <utlemming> chesterman: take good notes for replication if it happens again
[18:21] <Daviey> stgraber: this moment, no.  Tomorrow, sure.
[18:21] <chesterman> utlemming: ok
[18:21] <roknir> JanC: [i'm slow but] thanks.
[18:22] <stgraber> Daviey: perfect. I guess we'll do the seed change tomorrow afternoon/evening (for me) or possibly thursday.
[18:24] <hallyn> stgraber: hit me
[18:24] <hallyn> stgraber: btw, do you object to my removing '--path' from the lxc-ubuntu template?
[18:25] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess that's based on the discussion on lxc-users? no, I don't have any problem with you removing that
[18:27] <hallyn> stgraber: ok.
[18:49] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, it's used with '--clean'.  But '--clean' doesn't make much sense (how is the user supposed to call that?  'lxc-create -t ubuntu -n ignoreme -- --clean' ?)
[18:51] <stgraber> hallyn: first time I hear of --clean, might make sense if these two were meant to deal with the cache and not with the container
[18:53] <hallyn> stgraber: but users aren't intedned (I don't think) to call lxc-ubuntu directly.  So actually I'm thinking,
[18:53] <hallyn> stgraber: drop '--clean' , and replace it with '--cleancache', meaning 'lxc-create -t ubuntu -n p1 -- --cleancache', which will rm -rf /var/cache/lxc/ and re-debootstrap
[18:54] <stgraber> hallyn: sounds good
[18:54] <hallyn> there must be a better name than '--cleancache'
[18:55] <hallyn> --update-cache?  too long...
[18:56] <stgraber> --flush-cache? I don't really care as long as it's in --help ;)
[18:56] <hallyn> [-u | --update-cache]  or '[-f | --fush-cache'] - preference?
[18:56] <hallyn> flush-cache sounds good actually
[18:57] <hallyn> thanks, i'll go with that :)
[18:57] <stgraber> yeah, flush sounds better than update, update might give the wrong impression that we'll actually update the template rather than just flush it and create a new one (loosing any manual change and re-downloading everything)
[18:58] <hallyn> all right, i'm on it, thanks :)
[18:58] <cwillu_at_work> "So it’s exciting for us to innovate in the desktop too, especially when we find ways to enhance the experience of both heavy “power” users and casual users at the same time."
[18:58]  * cwillu_at_work stabs a certain much-loved leader
[19:18] <hallyn> ?
[19:21] <pmatulis> hm
[19:29] <hallyn> stgraber: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc-drop-path.patch
[19:31] <stgraber> hallyn: looks good. dropping the whole locking stuff in the process I see?
[19:32] <chesterman> utlemming: hi again!
[19:33] <utlemming> chesterman: hi
[19:33] <utlemming> chesterman: how did it go?
[19:33] <chesterman> i remade my steps again, taking notes and stuff
[19:33] <chesterman> i've got no errors this time
[19:34] <chesterman> dont know what happened last time =P
[19:34] <hallyn> stgraber: no, the downloading of cache is still under flock
[19:34] <utlemming> chesterman: I expected that would be the case -- it looks like an AWS hiccup to me
[19:35] <chesterman> yeah
[19:35] <chesterman> anyway, tks for your time!
[19:37] <stgraber> hallyn: ah, I guess it just doesn't appear in the diff (I just noticed the removal of the old --clean code containing the flock and no matching flock in the new --flush-cache code)
[19:38] <hallyn> stgraber: yeah the new flush code is nested inside existing flock.  (just had to check to make sure :)
[19:39] <stgraber> good
[19:50] <Daviey> woah, i just managed to free up 8Gb by removing old kernels.
[19:51] <SpamapS> Daviey: bragger
[19:52] <ttx> Achivement unlocked: Kernel space claim
[19:52] <Daviey> hah
[19:54] <SpamapS> Achievement unlocked: vive la france! - Earn more points than any other Frenchman in one day
[19:59] <Daviey> ttx: Am i beating you on, http://stream.pleated-jeans.com/post/16118918534/douchebag-merit-badges ?
[20:00] <ttx> Daviey: I know for a fact you already have quite a number of those.
[20:01] <Daviey> bah.
[20:02] <jhobbs> are calf implants real?
[20:02] <jhobbs> yes.
[20:24] <Onepamopa> guys, got few questions regarding ubuntu-server last + raid SSD's
[20:24] <Onepamopa> 2 partitions, md0 & md1
[20:24] <Onepamopa> fs => ext4
[20:24] <Onepamopa> any idea how to enable TRIM ?
[20:26] <Onepamopa> raid is software, level1
[20:43] <Onepamopa> blah
[20:49] <urthmover> Onepamopa: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18903/how-to-enable-trim
[20:50] <Onepamopa> urthmover yes, I added discard @ the two raid partitions already
[20:51] <urthmover> Onepamopa: and did you get only zero's after testing?
[20:52] <Onepamopa> urthmover haven't revooted the server yet
[20:52] <Onepamopa> it's production so.. I'll have to wait few hours
[20:52] <Onepamopa> btw, is there a chance of data corruption ?
[20:52] <Onepamopa> cause the db is ~30G .... if there is a chance - I gotta do backups first
[20:54] <urthmover> if you have the inkling that you should do a back. do a backup.
[20:54] <urthmover> all changes in prod should involving backing up first
[20:54] <Onepamopa> better safe than sorry
[20:54] <Onepamopa> =)
[20:54] <urthmover> always
[21:12] <smoser> roaksoax, i just replaced the 'README' in zimmer-build with a './build' script
[21:12] <smoser> that removes (i hope) the majority of potentials for user error.
[21:13] <smoser> m_3, also moaned about that
[21:16] <m_3> smoser: ha, yes
[21:22] <smoser> hallyn, ping
[21:22] <hallyn> smoser: yo
[21:23] <smoser> kvm -boot c /tmp/disk.img
[21:23] <smoser> that shows me something that looks like it might be pxe booting
[21:23] <smoser> or trying
[21:24] <roaksoax> smoser: cool thanks
[21:25] <hallyn> smoser: it's showing the ipxe rom name.  does it actually say it's trying to boot from pxe?  Does it look the same as when you do -boot n?
[21:26] <smoser> hm.. maybe its not.
[21:26] <smoser> but *something* is eating time
[21:27] <smoser> you're right. it doesn't go down the boot-from-that route
[21:27] <stgraber> the iPXE rom gives you 2-3s (per interface) to enter the network card configuration screen (similar to an hardware PXE rom)
[21:27] <smoser> but it is slower
[21:27] <smoser> stgraber, can i disable that ?
[21:28] <hallyn> i agree it's annoying
[21:29] <stgraber> smoser: couldn't find anything related to it in the qemu manpage, but that manpage is huge, so who knows. I was hoping to see a paramter to bypass external boot roms (like you can do on a physical machine)
[21:33] <smoser> well, this works, but its kind of rude
[21:33] <smoser>  rm -Rf x && mkdir x && ( cd x && ln -sf /usr/share/qemu-kvm/* . && rm pxe* )
[21:33] <smoser>  kvm -boot order=c /tmp/disk.img   -L x -curses
[21:44] <smoser> hallyn, stgraber, bug 921230
[22:01] <zapotah> how do i configure the pam_radius to auth users login through ssh without a local account on the server?
[22:05] <zapotah> apparently the fact that the radius server receives some gibberish (\\n\n/F$INCORRECT etc...) for a password is related to the fact that theres not a local user on the server that im trying to use the radius pam module on
[22:32] <blkperl> how do you set a static ipv6 address in /etc/network/interfaces?
[22:41] <SpamapS> blkperl: man interfaces
[22:41] <SpamapS> blkperl: you want "The static Method"
[22:42] <SpamapS> blkperl: and you want the 'inet6' family
[22:42] <blkperl> SpamapS: got that part
[22:42] <blkperl> not working
[22:44] <SpamapS> blkperl: perhaps you could pastebin your interfaces file (redact if your ips are sensitive) and show us?
[22:46] <blkperl> SpamapS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/815903/
[22:52] <blkperl> SpamapS: any ideas?
[23:13] <adam_g> zul: im wondering if the --connect_type needs to be specified where nova-common gets installed. database migration seems to fail without it
[23:23] <gus38> bonsoir, j'ai besoin d'un avis
[23:23] <gus38> j'ai monté une machine avec lucid
[23:23] <gus38> puis j'ai fait la mise à niveau 11.10
[23:23] <gus38> et j'ai que des emm*** (avec unity entre autres)
[23:24] <gus38> qu'est ce que je fait? je reinstalle lucid?
[23:28] <gus38> ou j'installe windows (c) 7 (r) (TM)
[23:31] <blkperl> SpamapS: it works in oneiric, doesn't work in lucid
[23:31] <SpamapS> blkperl: possible that it wasn't supported in lucid
[23:31] <SpamapS> blkperl: you can use the 'manual' method in lucid
[23:32] <SpamapS> blkperl: you have to run the 'ip' command in that method
[23:32] <zapotah> how do i configure the pam_radius to auth users login through ssh without a local account on the server?
[23:32] <zapotah> or do i?
[23:32] <blkperl> SpamapS: k thanks
[23:32] <blkperl> zapotah: oow i want to know that too
[23:33] <zapotah> the radius works fine since the wlan and many other things can auth just fine
[23:33] <SpamapS> radius? people still use that?
[23:33] <zapotah> ldap against ad or such then?
[23:34] <zapotah> wonder how many wlan implementations have support for such a trick...
[23:34] <gus38> thanks spamaps, bye
[23:38] <zapotah> ttls and ssha with pap works pretty well and id dare say properly configured is very secure
[23:38] <zapotah> so why not use it
[23:44] <Yb8022> So I have Ubuntu Server 11.10 installed and I'm just wondering about a minor nuissance, why after logging in does it hang for about 2 seconds before actually getting me in? Specifically after this "Last login: Wed Jan 25 01:32:14 2012 from <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:44] <Yb8022> - 3 second HANG - then logs in
[23:50] <adam_g> anyone on ubuntu-server-dev wish to merge this and unblock me for the final 1.5 hours of my day? :) https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/nova/connection_type_fix/+merge/90018
[23:50] <adam_g> smoser: zul ^


[07:56] <sil2100> mariogrip: hey!
[07:56] <sil2100> mariogrip: from what I see the ubports ubuntu-touch is using ubuntu-device-flash as well for flashing, right?
[07:57] <sil2100> mariogrip: I mean, magic-device-tool
[07:57] <sil2100> mariogrip: I mean, magic-device-tool uses ubuntu-device-flash under the hood for touch?
[08:20] <enovella> Is ubuntu phone dead?
[08:21] <enovella> I mean no longer support from Canonical
[08:23] <sil2100> Yes, basically
[08:36] <abeato> enovella, https://ubports.com/ is trying to follow on
[08:42] <mcphail> sil2100: i followed the wiki to flash mine and the method was to use udf
[09:06] <enovella> that's sad
[09:06] <enovella> willing to order ubuntu-phones :"(
[10:52] <devyl[m]> hm the ubports version of ut for bq m10 is nice... there should be a note that it is just an update so you need the official one on the tablet... but it works nicely
[10:53] <devyl[m]> (if you use the magic device tool method)
[10:54] <devyl[m]> enovella: just by a fairphone 2 :)
[10:54] <devyl[m]> +u
[11:15] <enovella> @devyl[m], insteresting! thx
[11:15] <enovella> will take a peek at it
[11:15] <devyl[m]> :)


[14:52] <Guest6635> Hi! I want to setup a server. Has anyone used this https://ilinuxos.com/servers-made-simple.html ? It looks pretty easy...
[15:19] <coke> Hi!


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[03:36] <len-dt> Wow our ISO must be really messed up...http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ is totally empty, normally even for a failed build something shows.
[03:47] <len-dt> Or the old one stays
[10:24] <Hypnotoad> len-dt: Xubuntu has that issue in /current/ too.
[12:58] <len-dt> ailo, in seeds
[12:58] <len-dt> "* package
[12:58] <len-dt> is a depend
[12:58] <smartboyhw> len-dt: We now got 20120909 build to test:)
[12:59] <len-dt>  * (package) recomends
[12:59] <len-dt> Ya it showed up.
[13:03] <len-dt> There will be bigger changes in todays... I hope.
[13:15] <micahg> len-dt: so, cjwatson uploaded the new meta, the binaries need to go through NEW
[13:16] <len-dt> Ok, I am not sure what that means
[13:19] <len-dt> micahg, is there some action required to get them through NEW or is that automatic?
[13:19] <micahg> reviewed when the archive admins get to it
[13:20] <len-dt> Ok. I see they showed in #ubuntu-release
[13:41] <ailo-w> len-dt: As you said, pretty simple (unless I'm missing something). One item done at least https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds
[13:42] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: Let me try that
[13:45] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: This is just for reference. I don't manage seeds myself even. The important thing is to make sure we have the right list of applications
[13:46] <ailo-w> And of course, some helpful docs on how to manage seeds, for developers who will be managing them
[13:46] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: That IS interesting:)
[13:46] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: I understand that you are eager to try things, but you will have to have patience if you really want to become an Ubuntu Studio developer
[13:47] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA I said it looks interesting:)
[13:48] <ailo-w> scott-work: sup Chief?
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Good evening sir scott
[13:49] <scott-work> hi ailo-w  and smartboyhw
[13:50] <scott-work> i'm sore from the gym but feeling good about a busy, busy weekend
[13:50] <scott-work> how are you doing?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Fine I got busted
[13:50] <ailo-w> scott-work: You started working out recently?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> scott-work: How are your muscles
[13:53] <ailo-w> Time to leave the office :P
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Now we wait for ailo's cycle back to home:)
[14:10]  * len-dt is off to work
[14:10]  * smartboyhw is chatting in #ubuntuforums
[14:17] <ailo> Only takes me about 10 min, but I don't come here right away :P
[14:17] <smartboyhw> ;P
[16:30] <scott-work> ailo: i did start "officially" working out, but there is more to the story
[16:31] <scott-work> after i left the marine corps i was regularly exercising but also drinking too much
[16:31] <scott-work> over time, the drinking increased further but the exercise reduced to nothing
[16:31] <scott-work> i gained much weight, i was very close to 300 pounds at one point
[16:32] <scott-work> i _am_ a big guy, 6'2", but 300 pounds is waaaay too much
[16:32] <scott-work> around five years ago i quit drinking, haven't done it since then, and i started watching what i eat and exercising more
[16:33] <scott-work> i have lost around 40 pounds since then, but i want more results
[16:35] <scott-work> so, my goal is to really become healthier, both in regards to cardio but also the strength i used to have
[16:35] <scott-work> and i feel that i need a gym with a program to accomplish this
[16:35] <scott-work> the trainer i have met with already is quite more knowledgeable than i about the body, working out, etc
[16:38] <scott-work> so while it bothers me that the gym/trainer is costing as much money as it is, i believe it will be eventually worth the cost and i plan to maximize my experience
[16:39] <scott-work> interesting thing about the gym/trainer: i suffer from migraines almost monthly, trainer asks my about physical problems preventing proper training so i tell him all the crap i've done to my body
[16:41] <scott-work> he says, let me look at your back/neck, starts poking around, then says, you have many, many knotted muscles in your upper back, i saw the way you sat, it was slightly hunched over like your being pulled down, do you have much stress? it looks like your knotted back/neck might be causing your migraines
[16:41] <scott-work> they will certainly prevent you from exercising properly, let's fix that
[16:41] <scott-work> i like that
[17:53] <ailo> scott-work: Sounds great
[17:54] <ailo> If there's anything I would recommend for anyone to do, ever, it's working out
[17:54] <ailo> It can only improve things
[17:59] <scott-work> ailo: last year i was taking tae-kwon-do and i thoroughly enjoyed it, i realized how much i missed physical activity, especially the hard, physical contact, since i had left the corps
[17:59] <scott-work> one shouldn't undervalue the stress relieving aspect of hitting something (or someone) very, very hard :P
[18:00] <scott-work> so i am looking forward to working out for the stress relieving aspects as well
[18:22] <ailo> scott-work: I do a bit of boxing myself, but I find that just getting the body to work hard is what makes wonders
[18:22] <ailo> I have a theory that some people just need to move a lot to be stable
[18:47] <scott-work> hehe, i have read a bit of eastern philosophy/war/combat literature over the years and also learned about some of eastern medicine, not to any great depth, but i've read some
[18:48] <scott-work> one of the things that is striking to me is how balance is strived towards
[18:48] <scott-work> the fierce warrior, killed hundreds, but paints or arranges flowers
[18:49] <scott-work> acupuncture that demonstrates a pin in the foot can relieve a migraine
[18:49] <scott-work> a pin in the foot _at the right place_, mind you :P
[18:50] <scott-work> i believe in balance as well, it just makes too much sense to not be right (plus there are thousands of years of eastern experience that backs it up)
[18:50] <scott-work> so, i think it is likely that most people would be more stable with exercise
[19:37] <keithl> Hello. I'm trying to build ffado from subversion to get rme ff 400 going. I'm on ubuntustudio 12, and the build fails when llooking for devicemanager.h. Any suggestions, either on getting ff400 to work or on the build issue?
[19:49] <holstein> keithl: i would look for a ppa
[19:49] <holstein> first place i would look is the KXstudio ppa's
[19:50] <keithl> holstein: I'll give that a shot - they have a more up to date snapshot?
[19:56] <holstein> keithl: not sure.. we will be "stuck" at the version 12.04 shipped with
[19:57] <holstein> you can also download 12.10 beta and try that live
[19:57] <keithl> holstein: Does that have the very latest version?
[19:57] <holstein> keithl: i wouldnt know without looking
[19:57] <holstein> keithl: you have a lot of variables to tackle
[19:58] <holstein> you dont know what version of ffado is anywhere.. and you dont know that the latest will "fix" anything for you
[19:58] <holstein> i try and use live CD's since they are an easy way to test without "breaking" my system
[19:59] <keithl> That is what worries me :-). I've seen notes on the svn version supporting the ff interface, but is seems iffy
[19:59] <keithl> holstein: I'll try the live CD and see if gets me anywhere
[20:02] <keithl> holstein: Taking a different approach, do you use a firewire interface (pro level)?
[20:02] <keithl> holstein: I might be able to get my client to purchase a different box
[20:03] <holstein> keithl: RME is good gear... do you need firewire?
[20:03] <holstein> i use a presonus firepod and find it quite acceptable quality
[20:03] <holstein> the focusrite saphire 40 is nice fo the $$ as well
[20:04] <ailo> keithl: On build issues, I would query at the #ffado channel. Missing headers usually means you need to install some dev packages
[20:04] <keithl> holstein: I'll look those up. Any tricky config issuse? Needing something that "just works"
[20:04] <keithl> ailo: Good idea - I just could not figure out which package i needed
[20:05] <ailo> keithl: To get all the dependencies for ffado, do: sudo apt-get build-dep libffado2
[20:05] <ailo> And whatever other packages involved
[20:05] <holstein> the firepod works out of the box
[20:06] <keithl> ailo: Hmm.I think I did build-dep libffado ( no 2)
[20:06] <ailo> keithl: Why are you compiling? Is the device not supported until a newer release?
[20:07] <ailo> I find compiling ffado is a bit of trouble. More than it's worth most of the time
[20:07] <keithl> ailo: From what I can tell, the ff400 is not supported in the version of ffado I have by default (ubuntustudio 12)
[20:07] <keithl> ailo: But I could just be missing something basic
[20:08] <keithl> ailo: I am totally new to trying firewire - been doing all my dsp work using jack and faust
[20:09] <ailo> keithl: I can't really tell, but it seems like it should work with the default ffado
[20:09] <ailo> keithl: Try the live image for Ubuntu Studio 12.10 to try a newer one
[20:10] <ailo> That should be a quick way to find out
[20:10] <ailo> keithl: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/beta-1/
[20:10] <holstein> yeah... ive just borked my current install so bad trying to get firewire to work in the past
[20:10] <holstein> and it was just a JACK config in the end that was the issue
[20:11] <ailo> keithl: Ah, did you set up realtime privilege?
[20:11] <ailo> keithl: audio group?
[20:11] <holstein> keithl: i suggest having the live 12.04 handy... but that in and issue gksudo qjackctl
[20:11] <holstein> try the "firewire" driver, and see if it "just works"
[20:11] <holstein> running temproarily as root can really help troubleshoot firewire
[20:12] <ailo> Well, it only tells you if you're in audio group or not
[20:12] <ailo> You can find that out with groups too
[20:12] <ailo> Unless of course the device is so unusual, it's not listed in the udev rules
[20:12] <ailo> In which case, you need to be root to run it, until you add a rule for it
[20:13] <keithl> ailo: holstein Gving a try
[20:14] <ailo> This seems to the rule for RME:
[20:14] <ailo> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000a35", ATTR{units}=="0x000a35:0x00000[12]", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # RME
[20:14] <ailo> in /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules
[20:14] <holstein> RME is typically well supported
[20:14] <ailo> on pci, yes
[20:15] <keithl> ailo: Had seen a lot of refs to it not being supported, but perhaps they are old
[20:15] <keithl> stupid question - how do I add/edit the rule?
[20:15] <keithl> starting as root did not make a diff
[20:15] <ailo> keithl: It should already be there. If you like, just double check the file above
[20:16] <ailo> keithl: I recommend you try the Ubuntu Studio 12.10 beta image, I linked you to. It's the newest there is, and it's all set up for realtime audio/ firewire
[20:16] <ailo> If that doesn't work, you might not have much luck compiling either
[20:17] <keithl> Yup. The rme rule is in there
[20:17] <ailo> keithl: starting jack as root doesn't need a rule though
[20:17] <keithl> I'll try the beta and see if that works
[20:18] <ailo> holstein: For ffado, there are only two RME devices, and neither are fully supported yet
[20:18] <ailo> Er, no, scratch that
[20:19] <ailo> It says full support for both
[20:19] <ailo> hmm
[20:19] <ailo> But it's pretty recent, anyway
[20:19] <keithl> for the beta or for he current version?
[20:19] <holstein> yeah, last time i checked, FW looked OK for RME
[20:20] <ailo> It was still not fully supported in April though
[20:20] <holstein> yup.. but 12.10 might have it
[20:20] <holstein> and i would just run 12.10, and not worry about it
[20:20] <holstein> install, and upgrade next month after it goes final
[20:21] <ailo> keithl: Just try the live image first, and see if you can get your device working http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/beta-1/
[20:21] <ailo> If it works, then think about installing
[20:22] <keithl> ailo: holstein: That sounds like the best approach
[20:22] <ailo> holstein: I guess kxstudio has the latest for 12.04?
[20:23] <keithl> ailo: holstein: Thanks for all the help. I'm downloading now. I'll let you know if it works.
[20:23] <keithl> Thanks again
[20:24] <holstein> ailo: im not sure, but falk usually keeps that stuff up to date
[20:25] <ailo> yea
[20:25] <ailo> Tomorrow I'm running 25 laps around a lawn
[20:25] <ailo> 10'000m. First time on a track
[20:25] <holstein> wow! is that too make up for sitting around today?
[20:26] <ailo> I'm folling around with athletics lately
[20:26] <ailo> fooling*
[20:26] <ailo> Gotta get some rest. see you guys later
[20:28] <holstein> ailo: gn!


[07:03] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:07] <MacSlow> ola
[08:08] <andyrock> good morning
[08:09] <njpatel> hey andyrock
[08:09] <andyrock> hey njpatel, nice work yesterday
[08:10] <njpatel> andyrock, thanks, still lots to do, though, didn't have time to polish
[08:12] <andyrock> njpatel, i don't understand why remove bfb button from the panel...
[08:13] <njpatel> andyrock, because it's on the launcher now
[08:14] <andyrock> njpatel, i know (so i don't understand why move launcher from panel to launcher :)
[08:14] <andyrock> *to move
[08:14] <andyrock> *first launcher->bfb
[08:14] <njpatel> andyrock, heh, it was because people couldn't find the BFB in testing all the time, or they didn't know it was clickable
[08:15] <njpatel> launcher icon is larger and people understood it was special and clickable
[08:15] <andyrock> njpatel, ah ok :)
[08:19] <andyrock> njpatel, do you know if it is possible (and after all if it is legal) calling nux EnableInputWindow(true/false, "bla bla") more and more time?
[08:19] <andyrock> on a same nux::BaseWindow...
[08:21] <njpatel> andyrock, yep, it only creates it once internally
[08:21] <htorque> MacSlow: about bug 821719 - i can only reproduce this with an intel hd graphics 3000 system, not with intel hd graphics 2000 in my laptop - could this be a driver issue?
[08:22] <MacSlow> htorque, oh... very odd :)
[08:22] <MacSlow> htorque, something as simple as opacity being a driver issue... but well... it's intel... you never know ;)
[08:23] <andyrock> njpatel, and i have to call enableinputwindow(false, "bla bla") or nux::showindow(false) will do it for me?
[08:23] <MacSlow> htorque, but since this is your observation and you have it working correctly on the other system... it's a clear indicator that that's a driver bug
[08:24] <MacSlow> htorque, re-file it against the driver then I'd say
[08:24] <htorque> MacSlow: or that my install is somehow borked ;-) i will do an A3 installation on an external drive, just to be sure.
[08:24] <MacSlow> htorque, ok
[08:24] <htorque> or probably a live cd should do
[08:27] <njpatel> andyrock, i just call EnableInputWindow(true/false....   see DashController.cpp in trunk
[08:27] <andyrock> njpatel, ok thx :)
[08:34] <davidcalle> Hi all
[08:44] <andyrock> davidcalle, hi :) so long time...
[08:50] <davidcalle> andyrock, yep, holidays ;)
[08:51] <andyrock> davidcalle, i hope you had fun... :)
[08:51] <davidcalle> andyrock, a lot, what about you?
[08:52] <andyrock> davidcalle, no holidays :( i've to study to pass university entrance test
[08:54] <davidcalle> andyrock, good luck ;)
[08:55] <andyrock> davidcalle, i have no desire to study
[08:55] <andyrock> --
[08:55] <andyrock> -.-
[08:55] <andyrock> davidcalle, btw have you applied for uds-p?
[08:57] <davidcalle> andyrock, thanks for reminding me!
[08:58] <andyrock> davidcalle, yw :)
[09:14] <htorque> MacSlow: interesting, i'm getting the fade bug on both systems with A3 live
[09:15] <MacSlow> htorque, I'm on my nvidia system here atm... haven't updated my intel/laptop yet
[09:15] <MacSlow> htorque, since I'm busy with other stuff testing this myself will probably have to wait for the weekend
[09:15] <htorque> MacSlow: i can switch my laptop to nvidia, will give it a try
[09:23] <htorque> MacSlow: bad news, it's also happening with nouveau here
[09:24] <MacSlow> htorque, hm.
[09:24] <MacSlow> htorque, I'm with the binary driver
[09:24] <MacSlow> htorque, I'll see during the weekend what my tests will bring up
[09:25] <htorque> ok, but you are not seeing it with the blobl?
[09:25] <htorque> blob
[09:32] <sbte> Hi, I was just asked to sign the Canonical contributor agreement. Do I really have to print it and scan it back, or can i just type it out and copy my signature in?
[11:24] <Andy80> hi
[13:04] <om26er> i am wondering when will be the new unity hit archives?
[13:05] <ephan> you mean, when will a new unity version come out?
[13:05] <ephan> or maybe I'm wrong
[13:06] <om26er> ephan, it released 10hours ago, just not packages
[13:06] <om26er> *packaged
[13:06] <ephan> 4.8.0?
[13:07] <ephan> yap, I see in Launchpad now
[13:07] <om26er> ;)
[13:08] <ephan> Oh cool my change was just in time to be included in this version :)
[13:09] <MrChrisDruif> What change?
[13:10] <ephan> a bitesize bug fix
[13:10] <ephan> #823353
[15:25] <jjardon> Hi, Is there any difference between Unity and Unity 2D regarding indicators stuff?
[15:46] <om26er> how can i have unity-2d dash always fullscreen?
[15:46] <om26er> Kaleo, Hi ^^
[15:48] <apw> are we expecting middle mouse button to no longer launch a second instance of an app ???
[15:51] <Kaleo> om26er: hmmm, I don't think there is such an option
[15:51] <om26er> apw, fixed in trunk ;)
[15:51] <om26er> apw, 4.8.0 exactly
[15:51] <apw> om26er, when will that hit the archive ?
[15:51] <om26er> Kaleo, oh, thanks, i will report a feature request then ;)
[15:52] <om26er> apw, in a few hours I guess
[15:52] <om26er> (or soon)
[15:54] <Kaleo> om26er: oki
[19:12] <om26er> oh unity build failed :/
[19:13] <om26er> oh didrocks dont leave us like that :)
[19:13] <om26er> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/4.8.0-0ubuntu1/+build/2678963
[19:22] <lucazade> om26er bug 818086 is not completely fixed, indicator-power icon is really blurry and badly scaled
[19:23] <om26er> lucazade, seems fine to me
[19:23] <om26er> here i am using 2d for now
[19:23] <lucazade> om26er, here no, do you want a sshot?
[19:23] <om26er> lucazade, yes sure then i'll compare it with mine
[19:23] <om26er> maybe something with my eyes ;)
[19:24] <lucazade> om26er ok .. lol
[19:25] <lucazade> om26er going to reboot in oneiric to make a sshot..
[19:25] <om26er> okay i am there lucazade
[19:26] <om26er> always and truly yours :p
[19:35] <lucazade> om26er http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/menu.png   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/panel.png
[19:36] <lucazade> if you see the borders of battery icons are not well defined, quite blurry
[19:36] <om26er> lucazade, its notable,
[19:36] <lucazade> om26er the icon is not used at its native res
[19:36] <om26er> yes I see the problem as well
[19:36] <om26er> lucazade, a new bug maybe
[19:36] <om26er> i mean report a new bug
[19:37] <lucazade> om26er ok... also when the battery is fully charged the icon used (power cord) is from hicolor and not from humanity/mono
[19:38] <om26er> lucazade, i only get that icon for a second when i disconnect the charger
[19:38] <om26er> this might be a bug in indicator
[19:38] <lucazade> om26er ok probably
[19:38] <lucazade> om26er i'll open a new bug
[19:39]  * om26er subscribed to unity-2d today :D
[19:42] <om26er> didrocks, unity uplaod failed to build on it already ? :)
[19:45] <om26er> never mind, you uploaded compiz already for the fix, just saw
[19:47] <didrocks> om26er: indeed ;) dinner time now and then retry time
[19:47] <didrocks> and same for unity-2d, because of unity not being there :)
[19:48] <om26er> oh great i'll watch the wire now :p
[20:11] <jcastro> davidcalle: around?
[20:31] <jcastro> om26er: it's building now
[20:31] <om26er> jcastro, yaaay :)
[20:34] <om26er> 64bit build failed again :(
[21:06] <jcastro> https://twitter.com/#!/ml2mst/status/101753422071607296
[21:06] <jcastro> I recommend all unity people check this out: ^^^^
[21:14] <thumper> jcastro: morning
[21:14] <jcastro> heya thumpa
[21:31] <davidcalle> jcastro, hi
[21:32] <jcastro> hey fyi, the new lens stuff landed today
[21:32] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~njpatel/unity-lens-files/unity-lens-files/+merge/70475
[21:32] <jcastro> this might be useful to you
[21:33] <davidcalle> Thanks, I'm waiting for the amd64 unity package, constantly refreshing the builder's page ;-)
[21:33] <jcastro> yeah me too, heh
[21:34] <davidcalle> Ding, it's cooked!
[21:34] <jcastro> woo!
[21:34] <thumper> heh
[21:35]  * thumper recompiles trunk
[21:35] <om26er> davidcalle, hahah me too lol
[21:45] <davidcalle> Segfault...
[21:45] <davidcalle> I'm certainly missing a package :)
[21:51] <Andy80> jcastro: hey :)
[21:51] <jcastro> hi!
[21:52] <davidcalle> Well, it's working pretty well. :)
[21:53] <Andy80> the new Unity/Unity-2D really rocks! Is it usable only on Oneiric or even on Natty (using daily builds) ?
[21:53] <jcastro> well, the guys around me are using it on oneiric and it seems awesome
[21:53] <jcastro> I am waiting to update, connection here is slow
[21:54] <nhaines> I'm fond of the new unity-greeter, although I'm curious what the plans for the panel are.  :)
[21:54] <Andy80> I really would like to use it on Natty, I prefer not upgrading to Oneiric yet, I need a quite stable distro on my main PC...
[21:55] <nhaines> Andy80: then best not to upgrade to an unstable shell for your distro.
[21:56] <Andy80> nhaines: the desktop itself would not be a problem... I can always use the "classic" session as fallback if something is wrong
[21:56] <nhaines> Andy80: well, that's riskier than I would prefer.  But at least you've thought it through--that's what counts!  :)
[21:57] <Andy80> at the moment for example I'm using classic session, because Google Music uploader doesn't work in Unity :\ the icon is not displayed in the notify area...
[21:58] <nhaines> Andy80: although I usually don't recommend it (in general), you could add the Google Music application to the system-tray whitelist.
[21:59] <nhaines> Although I thought that wasn't supposed to work in Ubuntu Classic either in natty.
[21:59] <Andy80> nhaines: I tried (using the same workaround people used for Dropbox) but it doesn't work anyway
[21:59] <nhaines> Andy80: Ow, too bad.
[21:59] <Andy80> nhaines: why it should not work on Natty with calssic session?
[22:00] <Andy80> Google realeased a Linux version... I'm not using the .exe with wine :P
[22:00] <nhaines> Andy80: Canonical is trying to do away with it entirely, that's why.
[22:00] <Andy80> ahhh ok
[22:00] <nhaines> Ironically the .exe with Wine would probably work because Wine is whitelisted!  hehe
[22:00] <Andy80> well... good luck with Skype then ;)
[22:00] <nhaines> That's whitelisted too, but I don't know what Microsoft plans for future versions anyway.
[22:01] <Andy80> OMG Microsoft! (no... not another online magazine ;) )
[22:01] <Andy80> I didn't remember they bought it -.-
[22:02] <Andy80> anyway.... I think there are still lot of legacy applications out there that cannot be patched for libnotify... so we should not drop old tray support too soon
[22:03] <nhaines> Well, they announced it over 18 months ago...  Once support is dropped completely (it's already only allowing three apps), any apps being developed will be patched.
[22:03] <nhaines> That's the rationale anyway.  :)
[22:03] <jcastro> when I've used the google thing it's used an indicator
[22:05] <Andy80> jcastro: it didn't work for me :\ I can test it again if you want...
[22:05] <jcastro> it's working for me right now
[22:49] <Andy80> jcastro: tested Google Music Uploader on another PC (my netbook) running Ubuntu Natty and the icon is not displayed in notify area... so I confirm the bug for me
[22:53] <Andy80> it's running (I see it in System Monitor, it's uploading songs but it's not visible in the Unity launcher nor in the notify area)
[22:55] <abc123_> hello?
[22:57] <abc123_> when I update to Ubuntu 11.10 in the future and be forced to use Unity. Would I be able to use system tray menus, and keep program menus in their respective window?
[22:58] <abc123_> Also, in Ubuntu 11.10, will I be allowed to disable the overlay scrollbar?
[22:59] <nhaines> abc123_: no to all of these, although you can uninstall the overlay scrollbar libraries and everything will revert to a classic toolbar.
[23:00] <abc123_> well, right now I use natty, and I uninstalled overlay scrollbar to get back the classic
[23:00] <nhaines> You aren't forced to use Unity in Ubuntu 11.10, though.  You can install GNOME Shell, and you can choose other desktop environments as well.
[23:00] <abc123_> will that hold true for oneric?
[23:00] <nhaines> I can't think of any reason it wouldn't.
[23:01] <abc123_> so...it is still possible to use classic mode in 11.10? I read that the classic mode won't ship with 11.10
[23:03] <nhaines> It won't ship with 11.10.  I do not know if it will be installable.  Probably your best bet would be to install GNOME Shell and then enable "fallback mode", I think it's called.
[23:03] <abc123_> I see
[23:03] <nhaines> Sorry, if my oneiric virtual machines were more stable I would test it for you, but I'm setting them up fresh again at the moment.
[23:03] <abc123_> it's ok
[23:04] <nhaines> You might want to try a virtual machine as well.  :)
[23:04] <abc123_> so there are no magic configuration where I can keep 1) system menus at the top panel, 2)program menus inside their own window?
[23:04] <abc123_> cool :)
[23:05] <nhaines> Right.  There might be something community-based that comes along later, but nothing as easy as a single click.
[23:06] <abc123_> :( I am rather disappointed that people who like the classic interface aren't being addressed
[23:12] <RAOF> The gnome fallback session is available, which will give you something pretty similar to GNOME 2.
[23:12] <RAOF> At least until it stops working, because too few people care about it :)
[23:19] <jbicha> gnome-session-fallback works in Oneiric, it just doesn't have "indicator" status menus & the Ambiance theme doesn't look right there