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[09:54] <Unit193> cjwatson: Hi, I've set +r due to the spam above, at the request of xnox.


[03:29] <dtchen> hyperair: pactl could use love; pacmd really isn't the way to go for scripts.
[05:57] <hyperair> dtchen: i agree with that.
[08:23] <consumeEarth> O prokleta kosovska večero,
[08:23] <consumeEarth> kud ta sreća da grdne glavare
[08:23] <consumeEarth> sve potrova i trag im utrije;
[08:23] <consumeEarth> sam da Miloš osta na srijedi
[08:23] <consumeEarth> sa njegova oba pobratima,
[08:23] <consumeEarth> te bi Srbin danas Srbom bio!
[08:23] <consumeEarth> Brankoviću, pogano koljeno,
[08:23] <consumeEarth> tako li se služi otačastvu,
[08:23] <Tm_T> !op
[10:25] <pecisk> hi people, there was gui for configuring policykit rules once, it is gone in karmic. Is it still available trough repos?
[10:34] <mac_v> pecisk: there is no gui atm
[10:35] <pecisk> mac_v, well, but is there plans to do so? Can be old tool ported to new pk api?
[10:36] <mac_v> pecisk: you need to ask the upstream devs... there isnt any at the moment and the old tool doesnt work
[10:37] <pecisk> allright
[10:37] <pecisk> thanks for info
[10:37] <mac_v> np
[12:13] <maxb> Does Ubuntu have any means of providing armel test-builds for people other than the rare people with non-virtual PPAs?
[12:14] <maxb> I want to merge subversion from Debian but the latest version is FTBFS on armel only in Debian
[12:29] <fale> I can compile a package in lucid correctly, while in karmic I must add as dependences quilt. Why is that?
[12:35] <JanC> fale: I think the new dpkg source package format uses/supports quilt, or something like that?
[12:35] <JanC> not sure if that's supported in Lucid already though
[13:11] <souffledev> dear oh dear asking ubottu about udev and it doesn't understand it
[13:22] <Tm_T> !udev
[13:24] <fale> why is tor not included as package?
[13:24] <fale> how can I purpose it? (I already have the package working)
[13:33] <Laney> search ubuntu-devel(-discuss?) for why tor was removed
[13:44] <fale> Laney: ok, thankyou
[13:44] <fale> Laney: unmanteined
[13:50] <fale> I have been really close to compile the last boost.. but got in some syntax errors :S I'll try again...
[13:51] <fale> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33823851/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.boost1.40_1.40.0-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- anyidea?
[14:09] <geser> fale: see Debian bug #550300
[14:09] <fale> geser: awesome, thank you :)
[14:10] <geser> and btw: why are you trying to build boost1.40 1.40.0-2ubuntu1 as karmic already has 1.40.0-2ubuntu2?
[14:11] <fale> geser: mmm it was some month ago... but are you sure about the version in karmic?
[14:11] <fale> that's true :S
[14:12] <fale> geser: It was when karmic was still under development (more than 2 month ago ;))
[18:42] <sebp> hi
[18:43] <sebp> what's the process of importing packages from debian into ubuntu?
[18:46] <jpds> sebp: It's automatic if there are no Ubuntu changes. Otherwise it needs a merge: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[18:57] <ari-tczew> sebp, come on #ubuntu-motu
[21:48] <dmb> why is there no lib32 sdl devel package?
[22:02] <siretart> dmb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[22:06] <dmb> siretart, i don't see how this is implemented in 9.10
[22:06] <dmb> unless there are more details somewhere
[22:10] <siretart> dmb: it isn't
[22:10] <dmb> siretart, it says Ubuntu 9.10 introduces support for installing packages from multiple architectures on a single system. This makes a wider array of 32-bit applications available to users of 64-bit Ubuntu.
[22:10] <dmb> is there something that describes that more?
[22:11] <siretart> not that I knew, but other might be more knowledable
[23:04] <ion> http://www.ubuntu-trading.com/media/site/images/titles/we_love_ubuntu.png
[23:04] <ion> http://www.ubuntu-trading.com/our-fairtrade-cola
[23:06] <ion> I wonder if it’s a random occurence they use a font very similar to the one used with the Ubuntu logo? :-)


[05:06] <FCM> hey i'm setting up my office with an ltsp server and a couple of the agents want to have dual monitor support. I also had a request for compiz-fusion... Can someone point me in the right direction?
[04:46] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:47] <highvoltage> hi there sbalneav
[04:48] <sbalneav> Hey highvoltage!
[04:48] <highvoltage> I found out today that the medication I've been on the last two years have been making me sick.
[04:48] <highvoltage> well, suspected it since last week, doctor confirmed today
[04:49] <highvoltage> I feel fantastic, since I stopped taking it last week
[04:51] <sbalneav> What medication were you on?
[04:51] <sbalneav> If that's not too personal a question.
[05:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it was medication for cholesterol. it worked great, my cholesterol levels have been safe since I started taking it
[05:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: but the side effect very gradually got worse. I gradually started feeling better very quickly since I stopped taking it last week
[05:22] <highvoltage> I'm going to start using an alternative from today, hopefuly it doesn't have any nasty side-effects.
[05:22] <ogra> highvoltage, are you over 30 yet ?
[05:23] <highvoltage> ogra: nope
[05:23] <highvoltage> ogra: would you believe me if I told you I was?
[05:23] <highvoltage> :)
[05:23] <ogra> so why do you care yet :)
[05:24] <highvoltage> ogra: I guess the medical profession just decided that they need to make money from me!
[05:24] <ogra> cholesterol levels are very much depending on what you eat and how you live .. just have less fat ....
[05:25] <ogra> and they wont really harm you in young ages .... scott and i are the ones that should start looking at it ;)
[05:25] <highvoltage> I did decide this morning that if the doctor tells me I should continue taking these pills, that I'd rather take my chances with the cholesterol
[05:25] <highvoltage> it's better to burn out than fade out :)
[05:25] <highvoltage> but luckily the doctor agreed with me
[05:25] <sbalneav> Beleive it or not, every time I get my cholestoral tested, it's so insanely low, my doctor can't beleive it.
[05:25] <sbalneav> It's like 2.something
[05:26] <highvoltage> I can't describe how difficult the last few weeks have been. I couldn't think properly any more. I've even been like that to a degree at the UDS, but I didn't notice it so much yet.
[05:26] <sbalneav> He keeps asking me if I take steroids because apparently, the only way you get cholesterol as low as mine if if you're on 'roids.
[05:26] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wow. mine was 9 about two years back. which is very high.
[05:26] <highvoltage> it's been to about 4.5 since I started taking the pils.
[05:27] <sbalneav> I tell him the reason my cholestorol is so low is because it's all deposited on my aorta :)
[05:27] <highvoltage> sbalneav: haha!
[05:27] <highvoltage> I've done more work today than I've probably gotten done the last 6 weeks or so. It feels good to be myself again.
[05:28] <ogra> mine is always slightly to high
[05:28] <ogra> but not "worrying to high"
[05:28] <highvoltage> ogra: well, just a tip. if a doctor ever suggests you use simvastatin, kindly say "no thanks!"
[05:29] <ogra> heh
[05:29] <ogra>  wont take any pils unless they can prove me it really helps ;)
[05:29] <ogra> *pills as well ...
[05:29] <ogra> i know pils helps :)
[05:30] <highvoltage> I did some investigating yesterday, and a lot of websites suggests that a lot of people with slightly high collesterol won't need the pills, even though the doctors will convince them that it is
[05:30] <highvoltage> if your good cholesterol is high enough, your bad cholesterol isn't such a big issue
[05:31] <ogra> but you never know ... i'll have to see a doctor next week if i'm home again ... somethings wrong with my throat ... but i doubt they will blame cholestorol ;)
[05:31] <highvoltage> you've been yelling too much at the core-dev team!
[05:31] <ogra> nah....
[05:31] <sbalneav> Please say you don't have a persistent cough.
[05:32] <ogra> sbalneav, no cough ... i fear its worse ...
[05:32] <sbalneav> hmm
[05:32] <highvoltage> when I first started to notice my symptoms, I also thought it would be much worse. I thought it might be a brain tumour or something
[05:33] <highvoltage> ogra: yep, better get it checked out
[05:33] <ogra> well, i have one dead tooth apparently ... that has to go ... my big hope is that my enormous swollen lymphs are cuased by that
[05:34] <highvoltage> my father had problems with his teeth too that caused problems elsewhere. it's strange how teeth can affect so many other parts.
[05:34] <ogra> yeah
[06:46] <cyrix^da> hi
[09:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock
[09:25] <LaserJock> anybody seen ogra today?
[09:26] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[09:26] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock
[09:26] <highvoltage> LaserJock: how's the burnout coming along?
[09:26] <LaserJock> heh
[09:26] <LaserJock> it'll take a while
[09:26] <LaserJock> still trying to get away a little
[09:26] <highvoltage> I've had just the opposite the last few days. I'll blog about it :)
[09:27] <highvoltage> yes, I thought we'd have to miss you from IRC for a while
[09:27] <LaserJock> well, I need to get ahold of ogra and RichEd
[09:27] <LaserJock> but they don't seem to be available at the moment :(
[10:22] <lynn_> does any one know where to specify which ethernet card I want to use for ltsp?
[10:22] <lynn_> I changed it out and the new one shows up as eth2 instead of eth1
[10:25] <cyrix^da> http://cyrix.homelinux.org/error.jpg
[10:25] <cyrix^da> what do i wrong?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> lynn_: that is determined via which card dhcpd is bound to
[11:57] <lynn_> is all the flash video on thin-clients super choppy?


  They may price match it if available
 And lower
 I think it's just 2usd off actually
 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-860-evo-500gb-internal-sata-solid-state-drive-for-laptops/6178650.p?skuId=6178650&ref=212&loc=1&gclsrc=aw.ds&&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5KTD2uC-3wIV1FqGCh1ZAgWNEAQYASABEgJxt_D_BwE
 Ok. That is a large coffee
 Good point xD
 If I feel like throwing together a home media box, hardware raid 5 advisable?
 Or are there better solutions for redundancy?
 Having just started thinking about it, something like freeNAS?
 Or Nethserver
 Hacker.cheap is available https://domains.google.com/m/registrar/search?searchTerm=hacker.cheap&hl=en&tab=1
 Hacker.social.  That might be a good one for your tech sitek @KMyers
 https://www.t-mobile.com/news/2019-predictions-legere-ceo
 @KMyers @AdamOutler @Ivoriesablaze I think I found one or two new window managers to settle on
 I think its time to revisit Metacity
 https://cn.opendesktop.org/img//hive/content-pre1/13548-1.jpg
 I prefer Explorer for the desktop
 Windows Explorer?
 Yes.
[17:33] <floridagram-bot> * AdamOutler hides
 https://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2012/03/12/5a310c87-c3a6-11e2-bc00-02911874f8c8/Slide22.PNG
 It's true though. Linux is my favorite shell.  But for applications requiring GUI, I'm a fan of Windows.
 I won't lie, it's not easy to make the desktop experience as smooth as windows
 Dos she'll sucks.
 That's why I needed something like that Metacity project to make me interested enough to try and tweak it to where its suitable
 I couldn't get excited about tweaking kde, budgie, or gnome
 Also due to CUDA it looks like I"m stuck with Ubuntu 18.04, so I'm going to attempt installing that today
 When they removed wobbly windows from Ubuntu, I lost interest.
 Wobbly windows was the bestm
 I can't believe compiz died off
 Last update was 2 years ago
 I will say though that KDE's compositor caused me a bit of screen tearing in netflix, chrome, and in general
 Barely noticeable but still noticeable, so I'm wary of compositors atm
 !!!!
 @AdamOutler It looks like compiz is still getting development
 https://gitlab.com/compiz/compiz-core
 https://github.com/compiz-reloaded
 You can change kwin to something else @RazPi
 I tried KDE, when I turned the monitor 90 degrees the mouse decided to scale up 400%
 So I had this comically large mouse on the second screen
 I like Qt  but I'm not convinced Plasma is what I want yet, I wonder if there's any good screenshots
[19:01] <floridagram-bot> * RazPi visits unixporn for ideas
 https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/9v4exm/plasma_what_have_i_done/
 wow
 @RazPi, I was going to make a Windows joke ... And then I clicked on the link
 XD
 It's ok @KMyers there's still plenty above to comment on.
 Fwd from AdamOutler: It's true though. Linux is my favorite shell.  But for applications requiring GUI, I'm a fan of Windows.
 I think you can alter the compositer in kde
 UI wise, I don't really the wat Win 10 looks
 I think I'm starting to see Linux as more of a utility lately
 It's my favorite tool.
 It runs web services better than any other OS.
 So even if I'm not a big fan of disjoint in ui, it's still a necessary move if it's going to be the "os of a lifetime" much like emacs is the "editor of a lifetime"
 Like how master craftsmen often design  and customize their own tools
 Speaking of craftsman
 Christmas
 What about it?
 Ha xD
 That
 You need to pay Jonathan coultons shopvac song in there
 https://youtu.be/y4sOfO8Ei1g
 Windows is more of a utility tool for me. Because currently the only time I would use it if it was for school or work or use an older version of Windows with no internet connection to play older games
 @RazPi I don't understand that video.  What is it about?
 They didn't really say why he has the shop vac on.
 It's just the closest song to a garage that I know of
 If there's any hidden meaning to it I'm not aware
 Oh ok.
 But it is indeed a song about a guy in his garage!
 Not sure if there are others.
 I think he's in the basement 😂
 Man I didn't even get that right
 He's in his workshop though
 @RazPi, GUI wise, I can only really stand Pantheon/cinnamon for some reason. But mostly Pantheon
 I think gtk is nice, but qt seemed easier easier to work with at first
 Then I found glade, but haven't messed with it yet
 Enlightenment is awesome and runs on potatoes
 I just can't get seem to run a DE for more than an hour before turning it off
 Qt is a nicer framework
 I gave up on gtk
 Yep Qt is nice.
 I do have an example usuage here: https://github.com/ahoneybun/keyboard-color-chooser
 Enlightenment crashed on me but I like the idea
 I wish there was a medium powered Qt DE
 I'm conflicted on the usage of qt vs kivy, been using imgui for work and it's amazingly convenient
 LXQT?
 with LXQT, you have a lot of fun connecting to a hidden network... like an arch amount of fun
 wait, you're on slackware
 nevermind
 @RazPi, If kivy on mobile, beware the forever splashscreen
 Prompted me to Port to Java because I'm impatient
 Looks like it has all the necessities though
 You're looking to write desktop apps?
 yes with opengl context
 I need to push custom textures from a camera
 At high speed


[09:05] <hemanth> flaccid, pending facts : http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline/
[09:10] <hemanth> kim0, came across some facts to convince flaccid :)
[10:37] <kim0> hemanth: don't try :)
[10:37] <hemanth> kim0, ha ha why?
[10:39]  * kim0 quietly watches :)
[11:38]  * hemanth waits
[12:17] <hemanth> kim0, π => π goo.gl/iMUc9 :D
[12:18] <kim0> hemanth: hehe that's fun :)
[12:20] <hemanth> :)
[12:27] <kim0> hemanth: are you already working with cloud stuff
[12:30] <hemanth> kim0, i will be giving a talk on a state level stage about FOSS and cloud
[12:30] <kim0> gimme a moment .. brb
[12:51] <superxgl> hmm...if i use collectd and RRD, then i need to draw the picture by myself ?
[12:59] <kim0> back
[12:59] <kim0> hemanth: interested to know more
[13:15] <hemanth> kim0, pm?
[18:01] <kim0> Howdy everyone .. any new members around .. feel free to ping me
[18:02] <Guest14751> sure. :-)
[18:02] <kim0> Hussain: evening :)
[18:03] <Guest523> well its midnight here though. :-)
[18:03] <kim0> haha
[18:04] <kim0> Guest523: we talked a bit about xen cloud before right
[18:04] <Guest523> yes true
[18:04] <kim0> So how's it going .. are you evaluating UEC
[18:05] <kim0> Guest523: how did things go with xen cloud
[18:06] <kim0> trying to fix ur nic ? :)
[18:06] <Guest523> no i am not evaluating UEC. But the new XCP 1.0 release looks very promising.
[18:06] <kim0> How are you deploying that
[18:07] <kim0> what are you trying to build that is
[18:07] <Guest523> deploying??
[18:07] <Guest523> please ellaborate
[18:07] <kim0> I just mean what r u building that cloud for
[18:07] <niemeyer> Hi everyone
[18:08] <kim0> niemeyer: hey o/
[18:09] <Guest523> well i basically do it for my curiosity regarding cloud. :-)
[18:10] <kim0> Guest523: so what features are you liking in xcp 1.0
[18:13]  * kim0 notes .. oh lovely
[18:13] <kim0> UEC is the number one eucalyptus cloud platform
[18:13] <kim0> as per the poll in http://open.eucalyptus.com/
[18:15] <Guest523> XCP has native Xen support and I like Xen
[18:16] <MarkAtwood> Eucalyptus/UEC can use Xen
[18:16] <kim0> MarkAtwood: is it a first class citizen
[18:16] <MarkAtwood> xen, kvm, and vmware
[18:17] <kim0> Guest523: I'd love to hear though what features do you like in xen that are not in kvm
[18:18] <Guest523> Disk drivers, cpu pinning, remus ....
[18:18] <Guest523> and close to real hardware performance.
[18:18] <kim0> remus is cool indeed :)
[18:19] <Guest523> yeah indeed.
[18:19] <kim0> afaik, the performance advantage of pv OSs are only on older cpus, more modern cpus hvm virt is equal or better than pv
[18:44] <kim0> smoser: howdy :) This guy seems to be waiting on cloud-init, please let me know your thoughts .. thanks   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1693373
[18:45] <smoser> kim0, data source isn't there.
[18:45] <smoser> metadata service is either
[18:45] <smoser> a.) not set up correctly (eucalyptus is often buggy resulting in this)
[18:45] <smoser> or
[18:45] <smoser> b.) system config is set to a networking mode that doesn't have a metadata service
[18:45] <smoser> if its b.) , you can't use the UEC images
[18:47] <kim0> smoser: thanks, I'll ask for setting networking to managed_novlan then


[13:42] <bgardner> Just to follow up on my own question (how to add a user to the Ubuntu Core Rootfs), I found a solution that worked great here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/216621/how-to-add-user-to-separate-filesystem-armel
[13:43] <bgardner> It's technically for armel but worked perfectly for armhf.
[13:43] <ogra_> you would simply boot and run adduser ...
[13:44] <bgardner> ogra_: Yeah, nothing 'simple' about it, or wasn't for me anyway.  The Core rootfs doesn't have any users defined.
[13:44] <ogra_> it has root
[13:44] <ogra_> without password iirc
[13:44] <ogra_> thats enough to log in and run adduser
[13:46] <bgardner> ogra_: Just checked it, root is (as ever for Ubuntu) not possible to log into.
[13:47] <ogra_> then you just need to drop the exclamation mark from /etc/shadow on the Sd
[13:47] <bgardner> ogra_: Boy wouldn't that have made me mad if it had worked though...
[13:47] <ogra_> that should be enough to let you in as root without password
[13:48] <bgardner> ogra_: The link I mentioned solved it for me, but I'll make a note about /etc/shadow for any future images.  Nothing else should need to be changed?
[13:49] <ogra_> that should be it ...
[13:49] <ogra_> you will indeed need to set up your network after first boot and likely want to apt-get a bit of stuff (like vi or nano)
[13:49] <bgardner> ogra_: Thanks, I'll try it out on a server I'm building next week.