[22:23] <mhall119> I don't get people who decide it's okay to criticize me for not including parental controls in Qimo
[22:26] <HedgeMage> mhall119: Maybe one day I'll write up my speech on why parental controls are counterproductive as a blog post and you can link them ;)
[22:29] <mhall119> I'll link to it
[22:29] <mhall119> but people are seriously telling me that Qimo is useless because it doesn't have it
[22:29] <mhall119> saying it's just "wallpapers and some other stuff"
[22:29] <mhall119> that "other stuff" being, you know, the education games that make it what it is
[22:30] <mhall119> you know, I use parental controls when my kids go online, it's called "daddy", and he sits in the same room as the computer while they use it
[22:31] <mhall119> highvoltage: stgraber: do you guys get nasty comments about edubuntu not having an internet filter built in?
[22:38] <highvoltage> mhall119: there's been lots of requests (and some work being done on it at some point), but not necessarily nasty comments no.
[22:39] <HedgeMage> mhall119: I understand the need for it, as many schools, libraries, and other institutions are required by law to have them, but I don't see them as valuable in and of themselves.


 :P lol, umm no :P
[07:33] <Squirm> :F
[07:33] <Squirm> :D
[07:33] <Symmetria> heh, I found a rhinkhlas in my house in centurion years ago
[07:33] <Symmetria> curled up under the stove
[07:34] <Symmetria> that thing was scary
[07:34] <Squirm> we get those
[07:34] <Squirm> our cat had a stare off with one
[07:34] <Squirm> cat won, snake decided it had had enough and just slithered away
[07:35] <Symmetria> heh those things spit venom
[07:36] <Squirm> yeah, I was impressed that our cat wasn't harmed
[07:36] <Squirm> she must have known exactly what was going on
[07:36]  * Squirm kicks Squid
[07:37] <Squirm> actually
[07:37]  * Squirm kicks samba and winbind
[07:37] <Squirm> finally
[07:40] <Symmetria> heh Im driving to PE tomorrow to pick up my new doggie
[07:40] <Symmetria> :)
[07:40] <Squirm> nice
[07:40] <Squirm> given Kenya a miss then have you?
[07:41] <Symmetria> heh yeah, Im contracting remotely from the beach :P money is awesome, no expenses here, and its a chilled life
[07:41] <Symmetria> :p
[07:41] <Squirm> haha
[07:41] <Squirm> the joys of the internet hey
[07:41] <Squirm> work in a different country
[07:42] <Symmetria> heh can make 100 grand a month after tax sitting on the beach :P
[07:42] <Symmetria> anyway, back in a bit :)
[07:42] <Squirm> and I make a tenth of that not sitting on the beach :/
[07:47] <magespawn> Symmetria can share how?
[07:51] <Kilos> morning superfly magespawn nlsthzn and others
[07:51] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[07:51] <nlsthzn> alo
[07:52] <magespawn> hi kilos
[07:52] <magespawn> Kilos as well
[07:52] <Kilos> huh?
[07:52] <magespawn> uppercase
[07:53] <Kilos> they both beep here so no fear i will miss you
[07:59] <magespawn> cool
[08:02] <nuvolari> o/ mornings oom Kilos
[08:03] <nuvolari> how are you?
[08:03] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[08:04] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:04]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:05] <Kilos> magespawn, dont you tab complete nicks. then it upper cases automatically
[08:06] <nuvolari> I'm well thank you oom
[08:06] <nuvolari> busy day planned ahead?
[08:06] <magespawn> not sure how tap on touch screen keyboard Kilos
[08:07] <Kilos> lol , technology
[08:07] <Kilos> enjoy nuvolari
[08:08] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:09] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:09] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:11] <magespawn> Iam going out for awhile, see you later.
[08:11] <Kilos> toods
[08:26] <Kilos> bbl
[08:36]  * Squirm yawns
[08:36]  * Squirm looks pointedly at nuvolari
[08:55] <superfly> morning Ki<tab>
[08:57] <nuvolari> what did I do Squirm ?
[09:03] <Squirm> you don't talk to me
[09:49] <Guest9180> hala ppl
[10:44] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:44]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:45] <Kilos> inetpro, cremora got something for you or any other clever fella to answer
[10:46] <Kilos> how does one capture the result of sudo apt-get update to use on another drive without internet connection
[10:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:48] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:48] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:48] <Kilos> that was quick
[10:58] <nuvolari> Squirm: don't take it personal
[10:58] <nuvolari> :P
[17:42] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[17:42] <superfly> hi oom Kilos
[17:42] <Kilos> yo Mezenir
[17:43] <Kilos> gc_, coffee on
[17:43]  * gc_ washes some mugs
[17:46] <Symmetria> gc, whisky?
[17:46] <gc_> Symmetria: Excuse me?
[17:46] <Symmetria> dumb bot :P
[17:47] <gc_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:47] <Kilos> gc_, ty
[17:47] <gc_> Enjoy Kilos Just dont make a habit of it ok?
[18:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[18:29] <Maaz> kbye Kilos
[18:50] <inetpro> wb Ludo
[19:15] <Ludo> thanks inetpro


[03:40] <pitti> Good morning
[05:16] <larsu> good morning!
[06:21] <didrocks> good morning
[07:57] <GunnarHj> seb128: Good morning Sebastien!
[08:02] <willcooke> o/
[08:03] <Laney> ahoy there
[08:03] <didrocks> morning willcooke, Laney
[08:04] <Laney> what's up didrocks
[08:04] <larsu> morning willcooke and Laney
[08:04] <larsu> how's life?
[08:05] <willcooke> morning all
[08:05] <willcooke> It's raining \o/
[08:05] <didrocks> Laney: planning for a run in ~20 minutes, getting up to 30° again today
[08:05] <willcooke> oof
[08:06] <Laney> didrocks: nice
[08:06] <Laney> cloudy today, seems we got to have one day of sun
[08:06] <Laney> hey larsu
[08:06] <Laney> what's crackin'?
[08:07]  * larsu is yelling at totem
[08:08] <Laney> tooooooooottttteeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmm
[08:08] <Laney> menus?
[08:08] <larsu> jhbuilt version doesn't play any videos
[08:08] <larsu> which means I can't test on master :/
[08:10] <Laney> :/
[08:10] <Laney> have you got gst and all -plugins built in jhbuild?
[08:11] <larsu> Can't play a text file without video or visualizations.
[08:11] <larsu> Laney: ya -good, -bad, -ugly
[08:34] <seb128> hey GunnarHj
[08:34] <seb128> hey willcooke didrocks
[08:34] <seb128> Laney,
[08:34] <Laney> seb128,
[08:34] <larsu> that's some weird comma use
[08:34]  * seb128 back from passeport renewal
[08:34] <seb128> larsu, that's xchat tab completion
[08:34] <larsu> do you 'ave it?
[08:34] <seb128> no
[08:34] <seb128> I've my request in the system
[08:35] <seb128> they don't- produce them live at the town hall
[08:35] <Laney> sexy new photograph?
[08:35] <seb128> new photograph indeed
[08:35] <Laney> haha
[08:35] <seb128> sexy not sure, you are not allow to smile :p
[08:35] <seb128> allowed
[08:36] <seb128> "look like you mean business, not having fun" ;-)
[08:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: Have a minute for bug #1443178?
[08:37] <seb128> GunnarHj, sure, though I don't understand the issue enough to have an opinion, as stated on the bug
[08:37] <seb128> I think all those locale things are overcomplicated and I'm not sure to understand why that needs to be
[08:37] <seb128> I dislike having something doing work/writing config during normal login if you don't change anything
[08:39] <GunnarHj> seb128: The reason for it is a long story, and is to a large extent due to the design of language-selector, which provides a language priority list.
[08:39] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks, re, didn't go for exercice yet? the ~20min are over ;-)
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: yeah… not yet
[08:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: But saving about 400 bites of data will allow for a significant performance improvement in this case.
[08:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: I do have the right to upload... Should I do so, and let's see if there is any reactions?
[08:44] <seb128> GunnarHj, let me try to understand the issue, do you have a comment/post to summarize it?
[08:44] <larsu> GunnarHj: why does a-s get the language when writing the volume?
[08:45] <larsu> GunnarHj: also, why does i-sound write the volume on startup?
[08:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: I added a couple of comments after your latest.
[08:46] <GunnarHj> larsu: a-s fetch all stored user data at startup.
[08:46] <larsu> GunnarHj: and it calculates the language then as well?
[08:47] <GunnarHj> larsu: Yes, and the need to calculate is over and over is the problem.
[08:47] <GunnarHj> s/is/it/
[08:48] <larsu> GunnarHj: can't it cache the value?
[08:48] <larsu> GunnarHj: is there an upstream bug as well?
[08:48] <GunnarHj> larsu: That's my idea. :)
[08:48] <GunnarHj> larsu: No upstream; this is an Ubuntu specific patch.
[08:49] <GunnarHj> larsu: Or did you mean cache in memory?
[08:49] <larsu> GunnarHj: in memory. Writing config on startup seems like a bad idea
[08:51] <GunnarHj> larsu: Possibly. But then you have setups with hundreds of users. See e.g. bug #1350393.
[08:52] <GunnarHj> larsu: It currently calculates the value for each user at each startup.
[08:52] <larsu> GunnarHj: why?
[08:52] <larsu> GunnarHj: got a meeting now, bbiab and can have a more detailed look
[08:53] <GunnarHj> larsu: Ok. (There is a reason.)
[08:58] <GunnarHj> seb128: Caching in memory, which larsu suggested, might be a better approach.
[09:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, that wouldn't solve the slow start/login though?
[09:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: No, it wouldn't.
[09:05] <seb128> why is there computation needed?
[09:05] <seb128> shouldn't the value comes from the environment?
[09:06] <seb128> which is /etc/environment or the .pam_environment config?
[09:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: Once the user value is saved, there is no need to do any computation. That's the reason for my suggestion. With the proposal, the language and formats data would actually be saved right at the creation of a new user.
[09:08] <seb128> GunnarHj, what happens there if the user never changed his config/is using the system default and the system default change
[09:08] <seb128> would the user config be updated as well?
[09:08] <seb128> like if the sysadmin edit /etc/environment
[09:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: No, then the user env would stay at the old value. Which I personally think is right.
[09:09] <seb128> why is it?
[09:09] <seb128> if the user never configured his account?
[09:09] <seb128> like you are in a french school, the admin screwed the config, some users log in and tell him, if fixes it
[09:10] <GunnarHj> seb128: Well, if you consider /etc/default/locale as the system default for new users only.
[09:10] <seb128> then the users are stucked on the buggy value they never selected/wanted?
[09:10] <seb128> I don't think so
[09:10] <seb128> I consider the system config to be what the user gets, until he decides to set a value
[09:10] <seb128> so if you never change the config you would keep getting the default
[09:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: If you have a multiuser system where the users are find with the settings, and the admin decides to change the system default for future users... What's then? ;)
[09:12] <seb128> well, they go configure/set it to what they like
[09:13] <seb128> I dislike the idea to write a configuration for something users didn't configure
[09:13] <seb128> that bit us back in the past several times
[09:14] <seb128> it's confusing for users, an issue for update/migration, and often inefficient because it means work happen when the user doesn't ask for it
[09:15] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok... Possibly caching in memory would be the solution after all. Then the value would only need to be calculated once per startup, not for each user.
[09:17] <seb128> why is there something to "calculate"?
[09:17] <seb128> the env is set through /etc/environment sourcing or pam_environment
[09:17] <seb128> there should be no logic/maths to do
[09:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: For instance since we need a valid language code, which may need to be derived from som locale name...
[09:20] <larsu> GunnarHj: what's the reason?
[09:22] <GunnarHj> larsu, seb128: The GUIs for setting language are working with lists of language codes, and current value needs to match.
[09:23] <GunnarHj> larsu, seb128: But why don't you guys let me get back to the drawing board and fix some caching.
[09:24] <larsu> GunnarHj: you said there's a reason that language is "calculated" for each user on on startup
[09:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, sure, feel free to do that, I was just trying to understand the situation to help discussing the solution
[09:25] <GunnarHj> seb128: Your questions and objections were valuabe. :)
[09:25] <seb128> thanks :-)
[09:25] <GunnarHj> larsu: No, if we cache, is would only need to be calculated once per startup, not for each user.
[09:26] <larsu> cool
[09:26] <GunnarHj> larsu: Thanks for the tip!
[09:26] <larsu> welcome!
[09:43] <willcooke> aeeiiiiiii
[09:43] <willcooke> Machine just totally froze
[09:45] <seb128> urg
[09:45] <ogra_> probably a bug that leaked in from the new fridge
[09:46] <willcooke> :D
[09:46] <seb128> no ctrl-alt-fn working?
[09:46] <willcooke> seb128, nothing
[09:46] <willcooke> smells like hardware
[09:46] <seb128> :-/
[09:46] <willcooke> I dont want to have to buy a new laptop
[09:46] <willcooke> Maybe I'll use that Dell
[09:47] <seb128> why, the machine doesn't boot back?
[09:48] <willcooke> Yeah, but it's done this a few times now
[09:48] <willcooke> I think it will die soon
[09:48] <seb128> urg
[09:48] <willcooke> It's three years old, so it is due for replacement anyway
[09:48] <seb128> it's a thinkpad? old one?
[09:48] <seb128> k
[09:48] <seb128> good luck with it
[09:48] <willcooke> but some silly sausage wont be getting a laptop renewal for another 3 years ;)
[09:50] <seb128> the inspiron is ok-ish if you don't need to build (at least if you have a decent hdd, that you have) though the screen is a bit small for daily work
[09:51] <willcooke> internet suggests it could be a thermal issue, so I might take the back off and clean it out with compressed air
[09:51] <larsu> put it in that fridge!
[09:51] <willcooke> lol
[10:11] <davmor2> willcooke: surely you only need a terminal and a chat client, so use your tablet  /me wonders off whistling nonchalantly
[10:12] <Laney> big red manager pen
[10:12] <willcooke> davmor2, spreadsheets & slide decks
[10:12] <willcooke> :)
[10:12] <davmor2> willcooke: okay a web browser too....man next he'll be saying email pfff
[10:12] <willcooke> ha
[10:43] <mitya57> pitti: Hi, do you know what can cause this warning from gnome-session on startup?
[10:43] <mitya57> gnome-session[11149]: WARNING: Could not get session id for session. Check that logind is properly installed and pam_systemd is getting used at login.
[10:44] <mitya57> See in bug 1450279 (remote Trusty desktop)
[10:46] <mitya57> According to gnome-session source, it tries to call sd_pid_get_session(), and prints this warning when it returns non-zero value
[10:47] <mitya57> But I don't know what that function is doing.
[10:47] <pitti> mitya57: does your session have $XDG_SESSION_ID? (usually "c2" or so)
[10:48] <mitya57> I can ask the reporter about that.
[10:50] <mitya57> muktupavels: ^
[10:58] <mitya57> pitti: Yes, it is set to c3 (c4, c5, ...)
[12:24] <Laney> seb128: does "system-settings language" work for you in vivid/wily?
[12:24] <Laney> desktop
[12:29] <Laney> ah, that's u-s-s from trunk, maybe
[13:06] <seb128> Laney, wfm in wily desktop i386, what's the issue for you?
[13:20] <Laney> seb128: Seems trunk depends on a newer version of maliit's gschema than ubuntu has
[13:20] <Laney> & no versioned dep
[13:20] <seb128> kenvandine, keeeennnnn
[13:21] <Laney> no big deal, I filed a bug
[13:21] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/1396
[13:21] <seb128> that shouldn't happen
[13:21] <Laney> thought it was in ubuntu first which would be bad but it's not
[13:21] <seb128> right, still it means we can't land trunk in wily
[13:22] <Laney> ya
[13:22] <seb128> or worst, we could without noticing the issue because the depends is wrong
[13:24] <seb128> I pinged people about that on -touch
[13:25] <Laney> thanks
[13:26] <kenvandine> seb128, ??
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/1396
[13:26] <kenvandine> missing depends?
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, that depends on a new ubuntu-keyboard gsettings key but doesn't add the corresponding depends
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, or that version newer landed in Ubuntu proper
[13:26] <seb128> so it makes u-s-s trunk sigabrt on vivid/wily
[13:27] <kenvandine> it landed at the same time
[13:27] <seb128> in some overlay ppa I guess
[13:27] <kenvandine> neither in vivid
[13:27] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:27] <kenvandine> the overlay ppa
[13:27] <seb128> right
[13:27] <kenvandine> should have had the depends
[13:27] <seb128> which makes trunk not run on vivid/wily
[13:27] <kenvandine> aren't we going to sync from the overlay ppa not vivid?
[13:27] <kenvandine> i thought that was the plan
[13:27] <kenvandine> still we should have had the depends
[13:30] <kenvandine> seb128, had did that land in wily?  it should have never been in vivid
[13:30] <seb128> kenvandine, what is "that"?
[13:31] <seb128> kenvandine, usecase is some of us trying to hack on settings on our wily desktop
[13:31] <seb128> we don't have the overlay ppa there
[13:31] <kenvandine> oh i see :)
[13:31] <kenvandine> i thought settings with this had made it to wily
[13:31] <seb128> no, it's in trunk though
[13:31] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:31] <seb128> which blocks us to do any wily landing though
[13:31] <kenvandine> trunk matches the overlay ppa, not wily or vivid
[13:31] <kenvandine> which i know sucks
[13:32] <kenvandine> seb128, do you know when those packages will be synced to wily?
[13:32] <seb128> no idea
[13:32] <Laney> JFDI
[13:32] <seb128> are they going to be automatically?
[13:32]  * Laney shoots from the hip
[13:32] <Laney> pow pow pow
[13:32] <seb128> I think people just need to request a landing
[13:32] <kenvandine> it was the plan
[13:32] <kenvandine> to sync those from the ppa instead of vivid
[13:33] <kenvandine> at least that's what i heard somewhere :)
[13:33] <kenvandine> sure we can do it manually
[13:33] <kenvandine> but i think there was a plan to sync all the packages
[13:33] <kenvandine> like we would for vivid
[13:36] <Laney> Don't think people care much about wily atm
[13:36] <Laney> copy-package --from=~ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay --to=ubuntu --from-suite=vivid --to-suite=wily-proposed -b ubuntu-keyboard
[13:42] <nessita> tseliot, hello again! So, I purged all nvidia related packages in my vivid installation, and rebooted. After 2 reboots (first ended up in a black screen), I got the nice splash screen. I entered the crypt passphrase, and the splash screen hanged for about 40 seconds, I went to the text terminal 1 (ALT + F1), then to the 2 text terminal. Screen was black with a blinking cursor, which dissapeared and re-appeared about 5 times, similar to an X resta
[14:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: still there?
[14:36] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, I saw your upload, good work, thanks :-)
[14:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: It ended up to a very small adjustment, but important, I think.
[14:36] <seb128> yeah, from the description that makes sense to me
[14:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: To make it land in the phone, should it be backported to vivid?
[14:37] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, maybe a SRU would work
[14:38] <seb128> not sure if they use those
[14:38] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ do you know?
[14:38] <kenvandine> just propose a branch to trunk
[14:38] <kenvandine> it'll land in the overlay ppa
[14:38] <kenvandine> not SRU
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, we are speaking about accountsservices and the fix has been uploaded to wily
[14:39] <kenvandine> oh, i was thinking settings :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> to get it on the phone we need to land it in the overlay ppa
[14:39] <kenvandine> or i guess an SRU
[14:40] <kenvandine> either would work
[14:40] <seb128> k, I was unsure if SRU was enough
[14:40] <seb128> thanks
[14:40] <GunnarHj> seb128, kenvandine: Then I'm going for an SRU. (Also to trusty - for other reasons.)
[14:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, sounds good
[14:54] <Laney> I accidentally wrote my weekly status a whole hour early
[14:54] <Laney> this situation cannot stand
[14:54] <qengho> Tragedy.
[14:54]  * Laney deletes it in order to experience the traditional last minute rush
[14:57] <seb128> or let's just do the meeting now!
[14:59]  * didrocks won't be there for the meeting (but I sent that summary to will)
[14:59] <didrocks> if we do it now, I can copy it though!
[14:59] <seb128> didrocks, have fun :-)
[15:00]  * seb128 needs to go not to late as well but should be able to stay for the meeting if it's smooth
[15:00] <seb128> too
[15:01] <seb128> going to see some classical music tonight
[15:05] <didrocks> oh, which author?
[15:07] <seb128> didrocks, http://www.arsenal-metz.fr/fr/musique/surchauffe_d.html
[15:07] <seb128> I don't think he's known
[15:08] <didrocks> no, should be quite recent
[15:08] <seb128> but we have tickets and the music hall is supposed to be a nicely made one, and they are showing a new instrument they designed
[15:08] <seb128> so let's see how that is :-)
[15:09] <didrocks> nice ;)
[15:17] <ScriptMonkey00> Are you guys here to describe ubuntu Desktop (as in environments) or desktop as in desktop vs laptop? :)  Sorry if that's a dumb question, but it would rule out a bunch of other even dumber ones :)
[15:17] <ScriptMonkey00> discuss I mean, not describe :)
[15:19] <willcooke> ScriptMonkey00, not sure I follow you exactly, but... this channel is mainly used by people who develop various desktop environments in/on Ubuntu
[15:19] <willcooke> so technical discussions about the environment and all its components
[15:20] <willcooke> Generally it's not a "how do I do XYZ with Ubuntu" channel
[15:20] <qengho> ScriptMonkey00: if it's an idea or problem that involves changing an existing project, this is the place. We try not to create many "upstream" projects here.
[15:21] <ScriptMonkey00> That's actually fine.. I was looking to ask someone knowledgeable about where I could go to research system requirements for different desktops. I'm getting a chromebook and putting Ubuntu on it.. but I'm reading that some can run fine while others get laggy or slow...
[15:21] <ScriptMonkey00> some environments I mean
[15:22] <ScriptMonkey00> does that question make sense? (I'm most experienced as a CLI user, this is my first serious forray into an environment like this)
[15:22]  * didrocks waevs good evening and good night
[15:22] <davmor2> ScriptMonkey00: you are best off asking that type of questing in #ubuntu or on askubuntu.com
[15:22] <qengho> ScriptMonkey00: You want #ubuntu.
[15:22] <desrt> didrocks: bye bye...
[15:23] <didrocks> desrt: enjoy the meeting for me, I'll scrollback tomorrow ;)
[15:23] <davmor2> ScriptMonkey00: this is where they make the desktop, #ubuntu is where they use it and can answer general questions like that better than us
[15:25] <ScriptMonkey00> sorry about that then, guys :)
[15:25] <ScriptMonkey00> thanks for being nice about me in the wrong place :)
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-05-12
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 12 15:30:13 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  seb128,  attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, laney, larsu, qengho, sweet5hark, tkamppeter, themuso (out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <larsu> \o
[15:30] <desrt> o/
[15:30] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> heya
[15:31] <willcooke> Let's get this show on the road....
[15:31] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:31] <seb128> • 4 days week (friday was 8th of may = holiday in France)
[15:31] <seb128> • UOS took most of tue-wed-thu
[15:31] <seb128> • upgraded my laptop to wily, started working some on Debian syncs/merges
[15:31] <seb128> • launchpad bugs/e.u.c triaging
[15:31] <seb128> • looked a some non-translated-string issues on current touch image
[15:31] <seb128> • updated "versions" script to use wily, cleaned out some deprecated components
[15:31] <seb128> • reviewed some easy u-s-s changes, looked to design updates
[15:31] <seb128> • sponsoring (chromium, session-migration, reviewed some items in the queue)

[15:31] <willcooke> Thx seb128
[15:31] <seb128> (thanks for letting me go first, need to go a bit before 4utc)
[15:31] <willcooke> Have a good evening :)
[15:31] <seb128> thanks!
[15:31] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:32] <attente> started working on the apparmor changes needed for gsettings confinement
[15:32] <desrt> attente: thanks for that ;)
[15:32] <attente> minor fixes to gdk-mir backend
[15:32] <attente> that's it from me :)
[15:32] <willcooke> thx attente
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:32] <desrt> typical round of glib bugs and reviewing, and continuing work on the dconf confinement stuff
[15:32] <desrt> eof
[15:32] <willcooke> coolio
[15:32] <willcooke> thx desrt
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:33] <dgadomski> hey
[15:33] <dgadomski> unfortunately, not much in the desktop area lately. Currently I am investigating bug #1124250 - there is a regression while using trusty kernel with precise.
[15:33] <dgadomski> eof
[15:33] <willcooke> Good luck dgadomski, let me know if you need a hand with anything
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:33] <willcooke> buntu Make:
[15:33] <willcooke> - released 0.8 with a new contributor fixing an issue due to Android Studio 1.2! In this release, we have the advanced deprecated frameworks removal and non interactive installation + more tests.
[15:33] <willcooke> - got back tests running in CI infra
[15:33] <willcooke> - reviewed Tinche's arduino support pull request. Still in progress.
[15:33] <willcooke> UOS/developer relations:
[15:33] <willcooke> - watched quite a lot touch developer's sessions (still some to get at)
[15:33] <willcooke> - Planning developer relations work needed.
[15:33] <willcooke> Short week (4 days)
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:34] <willcooke> timeout: 1m
[15:34] <FJKong> 1 prepare PPT and give a talk of opensource last Sunday for students, mainly about ubuntu kylin and fcitx-qimpanel
[15:34] <FJKong> 2 analyze fine name contain Chinese Character, need to build a list for searching.
[15:34] <FJKong> 3 testing dash search, fix bugs
[15:34] <FJKong> eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thx FJKong!
[15:34] <willcooke> Didn't think you'd be here :)
[15:34] <willcooke> Get to bed
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:35]  * willcooke wonders if happyaron has recovered from the jetlag yet?
[15:35] <willcooke> timeout: 1m
[15:35] <qengho> Synchronous IO sucks.
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:36] <larsu> qengho: async irc does as well :P
[15:36] <Laney> • Short week due to election fever
[15:36] <Laney> • Finish uploading oneconf for testfixes
[15:36] <Laney> • Upload empathy & account-plugins to t-proposed for messenger removal
[15:36] <Laney> • Sync glib & -networking to wily from exp
[15:36] <Laney> • Update rhythmbox to 3.2.1 in Debian & merge to wily
[15:36] <Laney> • Code reviews for libtimezonemap, release 0.4.4
[15:36] <Laney> • Copy some SRUs from vivid-proposed to wily-proposed
[15:36] <Laney> • Quick look at a totem menu bug - ask larsu to take over (thanks!)
[15:36] <Laney> • Look at tracker autopkgtest failure due to new glib upload - required a fix in glib and some tweaks to the dep8 script, now fwded upstream
[15:36] <Laney> • Start to look at a trash bug in gvfs/nautilus - in nautilus, trash a file and then immediately try to restore it, errors out
[15:36] <Laney> ♒
[15:36] <willcooke> thx Laney
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:37] <larsu> - uos
[15:37] <larsu> - fix time panel geoname fetching issue (and did some bug triage and testing)
[15:37] <larsu> - started work on fixing menu issues in totem and upstreaming our traditional menu patch
[15:37] <larsu> - a bit more than usual reviews and discussions
[15:37] <larsu> - continued testing of gtk 3.16

[15:37] <willcooke> thx larsu
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:37] <qengho> * Added Chromium support for libva1. Made "widevine" plugin at least work if it's copied from other sources.
[15:37] <qengho> * Found problem with flash update support. Fixed.
[15:37] <qengho> * Updated Cr in wily, thanks seb. Stable-ubuntu updates landing soon.
[15:37] <qengho> EOF
[15:37] <willcooke> thx qengho
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:37] <Sweet5hark> slow week:
[15:37] <Sweet5hark> - some UOS
[15:37] <Sweet5hark> - booked travel and accomodation for Cambridge Hackfest
[15:37] <Sweet5hark> - discussed bug 1418551 some more upstream: testing a very ugly minimal hack to prevent the crash. not a good long term solution, but should be good for a vivid/4.4 SRU (testing in ppa now)
[15:37] <Sweet5hark> - still hunting down the memory management madness upstream to push those fixes (will likely push them after branch off for the next major though)
[15:37] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:37] <willcooke> thx Sweet5hark
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Let auto-generated PPD-less print queues for IPP network printers also accept PWG Raster as input
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - cups/cups-filters: Run PWG self certification tests for IPP Everywhere printers on CUPS queues: Printing required data formats works very well, but there are many issues in Bonjour and IPP answers by CUPS. Reported to CUPS upstream.
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - Tested ippusbxd on my HP printers due to HP-reported problem of ippusbxd hanging on some printers.
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:38] <willcooke> thx tkamppeter
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:38] <willcooke> * Implemented filter result control accessibility in the unity 7 dash, working with the unity 7 team to get it ready for merging into unity 7.
[15:38] <willcooke> * Worked in Debian VCS to update ALSA userspace to 1.0.29. This should land in Wily before too long.
[15:38] <willcooke> * Started prepping updates to the a11y stack for wily.
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:38] <willcooke> - Test case for XMir failing with standard libepoxy
[15:38] <willcooke> - Understanding XMir
[15:38] <willcooke> - Investigating git branch for XMir
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[15:39] <willcooke> UOS
[15:39] <willcooke> Pre for sales eng. training
[15:39] <willcooke> EOF
[15:39] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:39]  * faenil gets notifications for every topic change :(
[15:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 12 15:39:31 2015 UTC.
[15:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-05-12-15.30.moin.txt
[15:39] <willcooke> THAT
[15:39] <willcooke> WAS
[15:39] <willcooke> AWESOME
[15:39] <seb128> lol
[15:39]  * larsu has a feeling willcooke liked it. notsurethough
[15:39] <seb128> we should still have a "other topics & question" imho
[15:40] <seb128> but otherwise +1
[15:40] <seb128> feel better to not keep waiting in the middle
[15:40] <willcooke> good plan
[15:40] <desrt> we could try the async-in-parallel approach
[15:40] <willcooke> oki, let's do a Any Other Business now...
[15:40] <desrt> ask everyone at the same time
[15:40] <willcooke> anyone got anything?
[15:40] <desrt> and let everyone flood back together :)
[15:40]  * seb128 doesn't
[15:40] <larsu> so... lots of timezone panel problems apparently
[15:41] <desrt> larsu: search+gvfs+soap issues still?
[15:41] <seb128> yeah, not specific to the panel
[15:41] <larsu> I think we should make this whole situation a bit better...
[15:41] <seb128> inconsistent experience/stack used in different codebases as well
[15:41] <larsu> desrt: no, I fixed that by porting to libsoup
[15:41] <seb128> yeah, +1
[15:41] <larsu> desrt: the actual culprit was a missing unref on the stream, leaving the connection open :/
[15:41] <willcooke> so is a cache the way to go?
[15:41] <larsu> willcooke: yes, like we have on the phone
[15:42] <willcooke> ah, cool
[15:42] <larsu> willcooke: we already ship a cache...
[15:42] <larsu> in /usr/share/libtimezonemap/ui/cities15000.txt
[15:42] <larsu> which is almost 5mb :/
[15:43] <willcooke> woah, yes - lots of data there
[15:43]  * seb128 needs to go but is going to read the backlog and comment tomorrow if the topic is not settled by then :-)
[15:44] <willcooke> cya seb128
[15:44] <seb128> see you tomorrow!
[15:44] <larsu> I think having a couple of major cities for every time zone locally is enough
[15:44] <willcooke> and then get rid of the cities15000 file?
[15:44] <larsu> something like that
[15:45] <larsu> I wonder if people will be ok with that though
[15:45] <willcooke> hrm
[15:45] <larsu> depends on what else is using libtimezonemap
[15:45] <willcooke> I mean, if it's already there, can't we just use it?
[15:45] <larsu> like, the phone's settings for example
[15:45] <larsu> willcooke: we can, but I think it's quite wasteful
[15:46] <willcooke> If it's already in use on the phone then I think it would be better to use that than to implement a "new" thing
[15:46] <larsu> ya of course
[15:47] <larsu> the idea is to make the file smaller (but keep the same lib)
[15:47] <Laney> You can fix this bug without changing the file
[15:47] <larsu> and fix a couple of bugs in the process
[15:47] <Laney> the discussions don't have to be coupled
[15:47] <willcooke> add gzip support to the library?
[15:47] <larsu> Laney: indeed
[15:48] <willcooke> so would a first step be to get the panel to use that lib?
[15:48] <Laney> it already does
[15:48] <larsu> it already does, but not the local-file part
[15:48] <Laney> the change is to get the widget to use the offline cache
[15:48] <larsu> for reasons I don't know yet
[15:48] <larsu> tedg might know
[15:48] <willcooke> ahh
[15:48] <willcooke> I get it
[15:48] <larsu> willcooke: sorry if I was unclear - we've been talking about this all day :)
[15:49]  * larsu doesn't know what has been said yet
[15:49]  * willcooke shuts the hell up
[15:49] <larsu> haha don't!
[15:49] <willcooke> :D
[15:50] <willcooke> riiight - so shipping the 5MB file on the phone is a bad idea, right?  That was your point I expect
[15:51] <larsu> ya
[15:51] <willcooke> gotya
[15:54] <willcooke> seems to be quite a lot of duplicate cities in that list with slight lat/lng differences
[15:54] <willcooke> I'll try and de-dupe it and see what it looks like afterwards
[15:54] <Laney> no
[15:54] <willcooke> just based on city name
[15:54] <Laney> it comes straight from geonames.org
[15:55] <willcooke> ahh
[15:55] <Laney> A fix, if there is one to be had, would be to use one of the smaller ones probably
[15:55] <Laney> Or let the user load a different one, or something
[15:56] <Laney> It's a worthwhile discussion but I'd rather avoid coupling it with the more important fix to have the panel use this offline database
[15:56] <willcooke> sounds good
[15:57] <willcooke> carry on
[15:57] <willcooke> ;p
[15:57] <tseliot> nessita: ok, that was just to confirm that the problem had nothing to do with the graphics driver, since both the textual and the graphics splash fail
[16:02]  * Laney screams/weeps
[16:02] <Laney> why can't ubuntu have locales-all?
[16:22] <nessita> tseliot, right. Any other workaround or debug info I can try/get?
[16:39] <tseliot> nessita: you might want to ask cyphermox, since the bug report is assigned to him
[16:57]  * Laney sobs with joy at finally beating tracker's testsuite
[17:04]  * willcooke -> EOD
[17:05]  * Laney tries it on ubuntu (as opposed to debian)
[17:12] <nessita> cyphermox, hello, you around? I'm having issues when starting up my ubuntu vivid installation, the splash screen gets stuck for a long period of time, and the login screen seems to "restart" several times before is actually shown. Output of systemd-analyze critical-chain shows https://pastebin.canonical.com/131238/
[17:25] <cyphermox> nessita: that doesn't mention anything wrong
[17:26] <Laney> phew, uploaded --- hopefully this works
[17:26] <Laney> bye chaps!
[17:34] <cyphermox> nessita: that is for the splash screen before the installer starts?
[17:41] <nessita> cyphermox, nopes, this is the splash screen on normal boot
[17:41] <nessita> the splash screen hangs for around 40 seconds
[17:41] <nessita> this is an SSD drive, so booting on 40 seconds is crazy
[17:47] <cyphermox> And it doesn't say anything on the splash screen? Maybe try to boot with verbose to see what's happening at the time
[17:48] <nessita> cyphermox, any instructions to boot with verbose? editing the boot line and ...?
[17:49] <cyphermox> You just remove quiet splash and replace that with verbose
[17:49] <nessita> kk
[17:49] <nessita> will try that


[00:03]  * superm1 wags his finger
[00:04] <superm1> (a'la colbert)
[00:05] <Batshua> Uhm, any help with my transcode issue?
[00:06] <superm1> i'm not sure off hand myself.  i'd take the silence in the room as no one else is too sure either
[00:06] <superm1> i can personally transcode with a cutlist
[00:06] <superm1> so perhaps look in your logs for some more information about anything mythbackend is complaining in the process
[00:11] <Batshua> well, so apparently mine autotranscoded before
[00:11] <Batshua> and so the second time I'm not sure they're re-transcoding.
[00:12] <Batshua> I should poke the logs.
[00:20] <Batshua> Any idea what I should be looking for?  Or would it stick out like a sore thumb?
[00:24] <tgm4883> !logs | Batshua
[00:24] <Zinn> Batshua: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[00:25] <tgm4883> then be sure to poke superm1  to review those logs personally ;)
[00:25] <Batshua> Ooh, shiny.  Thanks, tgm!
[00:25] <tgm4883> np
[00:25] <Batshua> I'm gonna grab 'em remotely.
[00:25] <tgm4883> i can review them when I get home too
[00:25] <superm1> !stab | tgm4883
[00:25]  * Zinn stabs | tgm4883 with a sharpened mce remote.
[00:25] <Batshua> Which pastebin do y'all use?
[00:25] <superm1> !pastebin | Batshua
[00:25] <Zinn> Batshua: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[00:25] <Batshua> because I'm not gonna do this from the mythbox.
[00:25] <Batshua> Ah.  Shinysauce.
[00:25] <tgm4883> mythbuntu.pastebin.com
[00:26] <tgm4883> the mythbuntu-log-grabber will actually post them there for you
[00:26] <Batshua> right but right now the tv is off
[00:26] <Batshua> so I figured I'd do it from here.
[00:27] <tgm4883> you could also use pastebinit
[00:28] <tgm4883> which is what MLogG uses
[00:28] <tgm4883> speaking of
[00:28] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, MLogG could really use an auto command, that can also be run from the command line
[00:28] <tgm4883> ala, silent mode
[00:30] <superm1> i recommended that ages ago...
[00:30] <superm1> i say if it doesn't find a DISPLAY variable or what not, then it should offer to run in the command line
[00:30] <superm1> as well as some command line switch to do the same
[00:31] <tgm4883> yea, I agree
[00:31] <tgm4883> oh well, home time
[00:35] <Batshua> AHA
[00:35] <Batshua> I am having transcoding failures!
[00:37] <Batshua> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m285e0869
[00:38] <superm1> so you have your profiles set up wrong probably
[00:38] <superm1> if no one in here can help out, check in #mythtv-users
[00:38] <superm1> just share that same pastebin with them
[00:39] <Batshua> profiles?
[00:42] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, that should be easy enough to do...did ou file a bug/feature request for it?
[02:24] <spiderworm> i have mythbuntu installed and mythtv working properly... however, everytime i start the computer up it auto logs me in, and then it tries to start up the mythbuntu control centre... how can i make it not launch the mythbuntu control centre with ever reboot?
[03:21] <superm1> spiderworm, probably clear the xfce session startup cache
[03:22] <spiderworm> superm1, i checked the session startup application list and i didnt see the mythbuntu control centre listed in there
[03:22] <superm1> two solutions
[03:22] <superm1> 1) close everything, and log out of xfce, make sure it saves your session when it asks
[03:23] <superm1> 2) remove the contents of the cache directory in ~
[03:23] <spiderworm> thank you, i'll try those
[03:23] <spiderworm> while i have you here, are you able to tell me what a CATV converter box does?
[03:24] <spiderworm> it seems it converts a digital signal to analog, but does it do anything else?
[03:24] <spiderworm> is it a cable descrambler or something?
[03:28] <superm1> they used to be descramber's yes
[03:28] <superm1> nowadays they decrypt digital signals with a decryption key
[03:29] <spiderworm> i c
[03:30] <spiderworm> so i am trying to figure out ugh why my CATV converter hooked up to an older tv seems to get a lot more channels than my Hauppauge PVR-500
[03:30] <spiderworm> i guess that the Hauppague PVR-500 is an analog card, and so it can only pick up the analog channels... 2-30 or so
[03:32] <superm1> hook up the converter box to your PVR-500 and then use an IR blaster to change the channels then
[03:32] <superm1> you could then record from the cable box
[03:32] <spiderworm> if i get a digital tv recording card, should it be able to pick up the digital channels?
[03:33] <spiderworm> if i hook the converter box up to the pvr-500 and use an ir blaster to change the channels, will it be able to record two different channels at once?
[03:34] <spiderworm> i dont think that would work, right?
[03:35] <mrand> Generally, one converter box = being able to capture/record one channel.
[03:36] <spiderworm> yeah
[03:36] <spiderworm> wow, the hauppauge wintv-hvr-1800 looks sweet... anyone tried one of those?
[03:38] <mrand> Maybe someone else here has, but I haven't.   You can goggle the terms 'hvr-1800 mythtv' and see what kinds of hits you get.  the mythtv wiki is pretty good at listing known working stuff.
[03:39] <Batshua> lemme check
[03:41] <Batshua> Oh wait, no, my error.
[03:41] <Batshua> I have the 1250.
[03:41] <spiderworm> the wiki says kernel recompilation is necessary, but also says it works fine with the latest v4l-dvb drivers
[03:41] <mrand> wiki could very well be old on topics such as that.
[03:42] <spiderworm> why would kernel recompilation be neccessary if it those latest drivers could just be installed?
[03:47] <mrand> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?list=mythtv&do=search_results&search_forum=forum_1&search_string=hvr-1800
[03:47] <mrand> second thread down.
[03:48] <mrand> has a decent summary.
[05:50] <danfinn> I'm building my first mythbuntu server.  I have it connected to my Panasonic Viera HD TV via VGA cable.  I cannot seem to get more than 640x480 for a resolution.  I know for a fact that the TV can handle more than this, when I plug my macbook in I get about double the pixesls
[12:51] <styelz> whats up with weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org
[12:58] <styelz> ppa works ok
[13:00] <Daviey> styelz: looks like a problem with the actual server
[13:01] <Daviey> can you use the UK one until superm1 sorts out that one.
[13:01] <styelz> im using ppa
[13:02] <styelz> not sure if its the same ppa.launchpad.net
[13:07] <luke_> any ideas when .22 will be out?
[13:14] <styelz> was just wondering if to update to .22
[13:14] <styelz> thats trunk yea?
[13:20] <styelz> so i just add this to apt/sources.list deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/trunk-0.22/ubuntu jaunty main  then do an apt-get update and upgrade
[13:20] <styelz> mysqldump'ed my db first.
[13:28] <MythbuntuGuest40> I am running Mythbuntu 9.04 backend/frontend. I rebooted last night and a few of files of recorded shows were deleted and nothing is showing up on Mythweb under "Upcomming Recordings." There are recording schedules but it didn't record anything last night. Can anyone help?
[13:42] <styelz> did you change your hostname ?
[13:44] <MythbuntuGuest40> I don't think so. I'll check
[13:45] <MythbuntuGuest40> No, it's the same
[16:36] <jedlhl> is there a tool for decrypting BD in linux or is it only possible to do in windows at this stage?
[20:25] <htpc> hi short question, where should I look when my /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend starts up fine manually
[20:25] <htpc> but not automatically
[20:26] <htpc> when my system boots the boot up claims "starting myth backen [OK}" but mythbackend is not started, a sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start works fine from terminal
[20:26] <htpc> should I just try and add it to services _
[20:26] <htpc> ?
[22:50] <gizmobay> I keep getting a connection refused on the trunk weeklybuilds.
[22:50] <gizmobay> Did it change?
[23:02] <styelz> same here, use uk.weekly.. or ppa.launchpad.net


[18:26] <tomreyn> so, according to https://ubuntu.com/pro you're currently in the process of moving from providing security support for 2300 packages in main (+ some, occasionally) to 23000 packages in mina + universe. Did you recently hire 10x more security staff then?
[18:29] <tomreyn> "mina" -> "main"
[18:34] <sarnold> tomreyn: not *quite* ten.. I think I was number six when I joined, one left a few months later, so five .. now 24-28 depending upon how you count
[18:36] <tomreyn> sarnold: oh wow, you're so many now - i didn't realize! i hope this new revenue stream works out and not too many (prospect) customers will respond with "wait, so so far only part of ubuntu had proper security support?"
[18:37] <tomreyn> (i assume it can come as a surprise to some, just because i feel it wasn't so obvious so far.)
[18:42] <tomreyn> anyways, i hope commercial users will realize this is something that needs to be paid for, and will be happy to do so.
[18:43] <sarnold> tomreyn: heh, definitely the main/universe split came as a surprise to some people
[18:43] <sarnold> tomreyn: before I was hired, I thought we got more fixes for universe from debian than we actually did
[18:47] <teward> sarnold: is 'pro' a nifty name for 'ESM'?  Because it looks like the same deal for 'personal use' that ESM / UA-I has.
[18:49] <sarnold> teward: yeah probably; there's a handful of things called ESM now
[18:51] <teward> sarnold: i'm going to assume then that "UA-I" is being renamed "Ubuntu Pro" then until I hear otherwise.  UA-I was Ubuntu Advantage for Infrastructure.  And it seems that Pro and UA-I are identical in pricing, etc.  right down to the support options heh
[18:53] <sarnold> teward: I bet ua-i name will continue
[18:56] <teward> wellllll just in case I fired off an email to Philipp on the Canonical Community Team and asked if he can get clarifications for my own needs.  It's helpful having the CCT people on speed dial xD


[05:03] <kubuntu> hi
[05:03] <Jai2000> hello
[05:04] <Jai2000> anyone there?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:18] <quantock48> Have just got a new laptop toshiba satellite c55-c-184.  Have installed kubuntu 64 and it is working well except for a few small teething troubles.  Can someone help with these?
[13:18] <TBotNik> All: Got a few minutes this AM before getting to outside chores here at the farm on such a lovely AM here in Greenville, TX.  Working on my ThunderBird email address ripping script.  Having problems with an array assign.  Write up at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5710031#post5710031. All help appreciated! Join me on the #bash channel for discussion on this .
[13:21] <quantock48> First thing is there is an icon on my panel (bottom of screen next to the kde start meny icon, when I click on it it tells me there is a malformed url, but I can't see a way to get rid of it. Any ideas?
[13:22] <quantock48> kubuntu version is 17.04
[13:23] <quantock48> Have not tried this chat forum before!
[13:29] <snoop> Hello all, i hope none of you got hit with the #ransomware
[13:30] <BluesKaj> snoop,  that's  windows worm, which users should habe patched with windows update 2weeks ago
[13:32] <snoop> yeah i know
[13:32] <snoop> none of the people i know never update their machines
[13:35] <BluesKaj> well, they should , apparently windows defender has to install the patch or the worm can get past it and scan their networks
[14:11] <MrSassyPants> apturl -> ImportError: No module named 'PyQt4.QtWebKit'
[14:11] <MrSassyPants> WHAT DO?
[14:12] <clivejo> MrSassyPants: where are you getting that error?
[14:12] <MrSassyPants> from entering apturl
[14:12] <oerheks> PyQt5.QtWebKit is available, PyQt4.QtWebKit is not >> PyQt4.QtWebKit package got removed in Ubuntu 16.10, probably because both PyQt4 and QtWebKit are long unmaintained.
[14:12] <MrSassyPants> (same with apturl-kde, I assume it's a symlink)
[14:13] <MrSassyPants> yes, this problem was there before I upgraded to 17.04
[14:13] <MrSassyPants> I assumed 17.04 would fix it but it didn't
[14:13] <MrSassyPants> so
[14:13] <roy_> is it possible that dolphin (KDE) crash/conflict with my router?
[14:13] <roy_> hi
[14:15] <roy_> while  browsing smb/windows network
[14:16] <MrSassyPants> roy, I'm assuming you don't have a domain server set up
[14:16] <roy_> i don't indeed
[14:16] <MrSassyPants> because smb works like ass for me as well, but I remember from back in the days that smb always worked like ass if you didn't have a domain server
[14:17] <MrSassyPants> and I mean: even windows-to-windows
[14:17] <MrSassyPants> of course there may be an actual bug there, I'm just saying
[14:19] <roy_> well this never happens using "ubuntu file" but with dolphin i got many timeout errors
[14:19] <MrSassyPants> does it sporadically work though?
[14:20] <roy_> yes rarely i would say
[14:21] <MrSassyPants> well, I guess its about the same here then
[14:21] <MrSassyPants> (not that I would be available for testing right now, I had a friend with a windows 10 laptop over a few weeks ago, that's where I noticed the problem)
[14:22] <roy_> ok and what workaroud do you use, or maybe you do not use samba at all?
[14:22] <MrSassyPants> yeah just an external drive
[14:23] <roy_> well that shurely solves :)
[14:23] <MrSassyPants> but you say "ubuntu file" actually can do it properly?
[14:23] <MrSassyPants> because I was trying dolphin too
[14:23] <MrSassyPants> and the kde smb integration
[14:25] <roy_> yes file has some hicups but it works mostly
[14:25] <roy_> i mean file in Ubuntu never tried in kubuntu
[14:27] <roy_> anyway in this days samba works pretty well windows to linux FYI
[14:29] <roy_> and shurely nautilus/file never crashed/locked the router
[14:30] <MrSassyPants> locking the router, huh?
[14:31] <roy_> yep i could live with samba not working but not without network/internet
[14:34] <roy_> when i try to browse windows/samba folder with dolphin my router crash/my ISP loks me out and i must unplug the router
[14:41] <roy_> when i try to browse windows/samba folder with dolphin my router crash/my ISP loks me out and i must unplug the router
[14:46] <MrSassyPants> it may be some virus/worm countermeasure
[14:46] <MrSassyPants> the router identifies your samba as a worm
[14:46] <MrSassyPants> and firewalls you
[14:46] <MrSassyPants> that's almost certainly what's happening
[14:49] <MrSassyPants> IIRC in 2002 there was a massive, apocalyptic worm epidemic that worked on windows xp SMB vulnerabilities, as a result of that, windows firewall and such was created
[14:50] <MrSassyPants> and various consumer routers would aggressively shut down clients who tried to SMB connect to the internet
[14:50] <MrSassyPants> I suppose that's whats happening
[14:52] <roy_> yes but i think it should happen also with ubuntu, that's not the case only kde/dolphin
[14:53] <MrSassyPants> oh, no doubt that dolphin is doing something wrong when it triggers the router to kick in anti-worm-mode
[14:54] <roy_> it's a pity because kde is way better than Gnome etc.. but less reliable it seems
[14:56] <roy_> afk
[15:01] <roy_> thanks mr sassy got to go bye
[16:01] <konrados> Morning! Is the "~/.config/autostart" directory specific to KDE, Ubuntu, or is it a general linux concept? In this dir I have apps which autostart with the system. I can manage them for example with the system settings -> autostart
[20:05] <naruuu> Hi. When I try to add a google account in "Online Accounts" then I get the error "userActionFinished error: 2". Any help/fix?
[20:09] <naruuu> Another problem is that the "Account Wizard" in kmail is not working. Is this known?
[20:23] <oerheks> naruuu, maybe you need to login via web, and into settings to accept kmail for access?
[20:30] <majorana> Hi! I look for a solution to automatically mute the speakers (= set volume to zero) whenever the headphones are unplugged. How can I accomplish this under Kubuntu?
[20:31] <majorana> * get unplugged
[20:35] <naruuu> oerheks: Ok in kmail I've found out how the "Account Wizard" works. But IMHO confusing
[20:35] <naruuu> But IMHO the implementation/dialog is confusing
[20:40] <naruuu> oerheks: After first pressing Next button I see account information. Now confusing is that I have a button "Add account" and I can still press the Next button. But when I press Next I cannot get to the next page. I have to press "Add account". Why not disabling the button "Next"?
[20:40] <valorie> that's good feedback, naruuu
[20:40] <valorie> I suggest filing a bug on https://bugs.kde.org
[20:41] <valorie> against kmail
[20:41] <naruuu> Ok I'll do that
[20:41] <naruuu> But what about the problem with the "Online Accounts"?
[20:41] <naruuu> I remember in older versions of KDE this was working fine
[20:41] <naruuu> But with the newer versions I always get an error
[20:43] <naruuu> And I have a 3rd problem with kaddressbook. I've added a google account. Now I see some accounts several times (up to 6 times!)
[21:12] <naruu> Hi. I'm currently facing a very annoying bug. When login - logout - login again then the kdewallet fails to open. It is asking for the password in an endless loop and always fails with error code -9. A known bug? Any solution?
[21:37] <N0Lif3> im on kubuntu 16.10. does 17.04 have a whole new version of KDE on it?
[21:38] <N0Lif3> I'm excited to see if they've addressed issues that I've silently had with KDE
[21:41] <viewer|62386> Hey guys and gals, does anyone know if SDDM executes scripts in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/ before login or after?
[21:45] <valorie> naruu: sounds like a permission problem
[21:46] <valorie> perhaps CHOWN your $HOME to make sure?
[21:46] <valorie> !chown
[21:46] <valorie> N0Lif3: 17.04 has newer versions
[21:46] <valorie> 16.10 will soon go out of support
[21:47] <valorie> it's worthwhile to upgrade
[21:51] <naruu> valorie: This is a fresh installed kubuntu 17.04. Would be VERY strange if there are any permission problems
[21:52] <naruu> valorie: The kdewallet works find at the first login. But after logout and login again kdewallet fails opening
[21:57] <N0Lif3> valorie: shouldn't there be a distro upgrade in Discover? I can't find it
[22:06] <acheronuk> N0Lif3: the code in discover for that got ripped out by KDE. which got missed :/
[22:12] <N0Lif3> kinda lame how I had to google the cheat code, so to speak, to upgrade.
[22:12] <N0Lif3> as if in a million years I'd ever be able to intuitively know to write "  kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE" " in the console on my own
[23:35] <valorie> acheronuk: is there a bug filed in bko about Discover?
[23:35] <valorie> sorry, I was afk
[23:44] <acheronuk> valorie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1682684
[23:44] <valorie> right, but the devel may not look at LP
[23:45] <valorie> and that's not a packaging bug, correct?
[23:47] <acheronuk> valorie: for plasma 5.9: https://cgit.kde.org/discover.git/commit/?h=Plasma/5.9&id=e42560d53d8ebe3d5fa910129ee07ebc6483db64
[23:47] <acheronuk> code that check distribution upgrades via qapt, removed ^^^
[23:50] <valorie> well, you could link to just that in bko, and also link the LP bug <>
[23:50] <valorie> so Aleix sees it
[23:51] <valorie> oops, time for dinner with the kiddies
[23:51] <acheronuk> I think depending on discover to offer distribution upgrades is a bad idea anyway
[23:52] <acheronuk> we need a qt frontend to the main ubuntu one
[23:52] <acheronuk> which lubuntu will also want if they go with lxqt
[23:52] <acheronuk> so maybe build that together
[23:54] <valorie> ooo, good idea
[23:54] <acheronuk> I mentioned to Simon
[23:55]  * valorie goes off to have dinner with the fam
[23:55] <acheronuk> valorie: or we get that functionality added into Muon
[23:55] <acheronuk> *back into Muon