[11:58] <Hfuy> SO anyway - is there any prospect of fixing this ubuntu flash disk, or should I throw it in the bin and try something else
[11:58] <fidel> kristenbb: svn is a version-control system
[11:58] <fidel> if that gives you a first idea about it
[11:58] <kristenbb> fidel: yes it is.
[11:59] <kristenbb> fidel: I meant, how does it know which files were modified ? There's some kind of checksum, but how is it updated?
[11:59] <kristenbb> fidel: My question was how to make rsync faster
[11:59] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: if theres nothing wrong with the flash disk you don't need to throw it in the bin
[11:59] <OerHeks> kristenbb, i think the last modified date/time is used ?
[11:59] <uriol_> hi
[12:00] <Hfuy> ThinkT510: well, metaphorically
[12:00] <uriol_> i have installed wubi on windows
[12:00] <fidel> kristenbb: try #rsync in addition
[12:00] <uriol_> but when i start it appears 2 grub menus
[12:00] <kristenbb> OerHeks: can I know which files were modified since the last rsync or svn update without looking through them all ?
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy:  i mentioned trying some of the many Other tools at the Pendrivelinux web site.
[12:00] <fidel> kristenbb: i doubt you'll be able to heavily tweak that...but good luck
[12:00] <Sculptor_> @inbitado34, sorry please donot make changes in hostname file
[12:01] <Hfuy> Dr_Willis: I can try that, but if Ubuntu, the World's Easiest To Use Linux Distro can't even boot, I'm not sure how confident I am.
[12:02] <Sculptor_> @inbitado34, path is /etc/hosts. In this file entry must like this <IP_ADDRESS> hostname localhost
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy:  whatever.. you want to rant all day.. have fun.
[12:02] <Hfuy> Can we fix what's wrong with ubuntu, or what
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy:  youve not shown its not a bad iso file.. or any other tests. so go check the md5, try other tools. try the flash on other pcs.
[12:02] <Hfuy> Check the what now?
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> !md5 | Hfuy
[12:03] <OerHeks> kristenbb, " find <some_dir> -newermt '2012-1-1' -and -not -newermt '2012-7-27'
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> I always use torrents to get the iSO files. seems i rarely have bad files via torrents. since they sort of self check :)
[12:03] <kristenbb> OerHeks: but that would look through all the files, right ? If there are a few hundred thousands, if would take some time too...
[12:04] <Ananda> how can i delete 1 grub
[12:04] <OerHeks> kristenbb, so be it.
[12:04] <Guest79517> a good program to editing video? i need only cut and mute setting
[12:04] <Hfuy> Oh screw this noise. I can redownload it if you think that might help, but I can't see how it will.
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> Ive said to CHECK the MD5 SUM several times now...
[12:05] <kristenbb> OerHeks: the best option would be that everytime a file is modified, it says so to a process which keeps track of modified files, so that the modified files are sent. Is that not possible ?
[12:05] <fidel> Guest79517: my video-notes contains: openshot, pitivi, flowblade, novacut and kdenlive
[12:05] <fidel> maybe usefull as srtarting point
[12:05] <Hfuy> I have ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso; apparently the checksum should be d791352694374f1c478779f7f4447a3f
[12:06] <OerHeks> kristenbb, i think you can script that.
[12:06] <Guest79517> fidel: ok i try these
[12:07] <jonataaraujo> Bom dia h-lera
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> !pt
[12:07] <Hfuy> My download appears to be in good order.
[12:08] <Hfuy> The MD5 sum begins in d79135 and ends in 7a3f.
[12:08] <kristenbb> OerHeks: how ?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> how did you check the md5sum? if its good. then try other tools at the pendrivelinux site.
[12:08] <Hfuy> What do you mean by "tools"
[12:08] <Hfuy> tools to put the ISO on the flash key?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> yes. Pendrivelinux site has a collection of such tools.
[12:09] <jonataaraujo> #ubuntu-br
[12:09] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  what have you used to create the bootable usb stick?
[12:09] <OerHeks> kristenbb, i would use grsync & rsync, this can do the incremental backup for you, and it will take some time too.
[12:09] <Hfuy> The thing recommended on the Ubuntu site.
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy:  and aparently that dident work.. so....
[12:10] <Hfuy> This: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[12:10] <fidel> jonataaraujo: try: /j #ubuntu-br
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use the YUMI tool at pendrivelinux.com
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> ow... windows... no wonder it doesnt work....
[12:10] <Hfuy> I used "Universal USB Installer", from pendrivelinux.com
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> so try one of the other tools at pendrivelinux.com perhaps.
[12:11] <Hfuy> Gah.
[12:11]  * Hfuy hates linux
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> spend less time ranting....
[12:11] <Hfuy> I'll rant while it downloads, if that's OK
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> Not really.
[12:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> hard to learn new things
[12:13] <Hfuy> should I select Ubuntu 12.04 for "ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso"
[12:13] <Sculptor_> any one know how to configure pidgin
[12:13] <Hfuy> Honestly this seems to be exactly the same as the last one.
[12:13] <BluesKaj> well, with windows we pay for convenience , with linux we have to work a little for it , but the reward is worth it .
[12:13] <zcoob> Sculptor_: that is a really vague question, can you elaborate on what exactly you want to do?
[12:13] <kandinski> I have this dvb-t stick and ubuntu 12.04
[12:14] <Hfuy> BluesKaj: so far, linux seems to be a program that makes my computer say "can not mount /dev/loop1 on cow", which isn't much of a reward.
[12:14] <Hfuy> It's not even in good English.
[12:14] <kandinski> lsusb says AF9015/AF9035
[12:14] <Hfuy> I mean.... "cow"?
[12:14] <kandinski> copy on write
[12:15] <kandinski> can anybody point me towards a good howto for watching DVB on 12.04 using a AF9015/AF9035 usb adapter? Thanks.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hfuy:  there's a solution , some research is required , that's all.
[12:15] <usr13> FYI, you can just google the checksum
[12:15] <Hfuy> I checked the download.
[12:15] <Hfuy> It's cherry.
[12:16] <fidel> kandinski: are you looking for the basic driver/firmware or for apps being able to handle dvb-t?
[12:16] <usr13> Hfuy: So what is the problem?  (Sorry but I'm a latecomer to the issue.)
[12:16] <Hfuy> usr13: I'm attempting to use a linux USB stick to check whether a problem on my machine is hardware or OS (usually it runs win7)
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> many of those tools try to set up Live-cd systems and can do things wrongly. I tend to just Image the ISO directly to the flash for installing.  I forget what tool i used as a 'dd' replacement on wndows.
[12:17] <MonkeyDust> usr13  he can't get to create a decent bootable usb stick
[12:17] <usr13> Hfuy: Do you have a problem booting the media? Ok, I see, check the BIOS settings.
[12:17] <Hfuy> I followed the instructions on help.ubuntu.com to create a USB stick, but it bombed out halfway through boot with the error "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow" and an (initramfs) prompt.
[12:17] <Hfuy> To be fair, this sort of flakiness is not unexpected from Linux :)
[12:17] <kandinski> fidel, both
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> If you are just going to use it for a 10 min test.. I would have used TinyCoreLinux.  since it would take it all of like 30 sec to download and copy to the flash.
[12:18] <Hfuy> I'm now in the process of making another USB stick using a very slightly different (but frankly almost identical) USB stick installer.
[12:18] <kandinski> I have found this: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/EzCap_DVB_T_Stick seems hard work
[12:18] <rajumoh> can 3.4 be considered stable enouf to be installed on ubuntu 12.04 ?
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> rajumoh:  you meak 3.4 kernel?
[12:19] <rajumoh> Dr_Willis: yeah, the same
[12:19] <usr13> Hfuy: If you have verified the ISO, then you have two more issues, 1) Properly burning the ISO image to the USB device.  & 2) Configuring the BIOS settings to the point that the PC will actually boot a USB device, (and sometimes that takes some doing...).
[12:19] <fidel> kandinski: i used me-tv in the past and now kaffeine
[12:19] <Hfuy> usr13: oh that I can do.
[12:19] <kandinski> fidel, thanks
[12:19] <ThinkT510> rajumoh: only the kernels in the repos are supported, run your own kernels at your own risk
[12:19] <Hfuy> I've booted windows off USB sticks in the past (it's a pain, but it can be done).
[12:19] <fidel> both worked pretty good as viewer-apps after having setup the basic firmware for my dvb-t device in the first place
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> rajumoh:  doing such things would be at your own risk. Ive no idea how stable the newer kernels are. I imagine the act of getting the kernel on the system would be the big poteitial issues.. Not the actual kernel.
[12:20] <kandinski> do you know if the driver is in any ppa?
[12:20] <Hfuy> This USB installer seems to be taking a lot, lot longer than the other one. It's using 7zip to unpack the ISO.
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> rajumoh:  i do belive theres some Unoffical newer kernel ppas also.
[12:20] <usr13> Hfuy: Ok, if you properly solve those other two problems, you will be successful.
[12:20] <AndChat382025> nobody know
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> AndChat382025:  know what?
[12:20] <Hfuy> usr13: Well, I used the thing that was recommended on ubuntu.com to build the USB stick. But again, this is linux. Don't expect too much...
[12:21] <thermostat> Easy USB Installer?
[12:21] <usr13> Hfuy: On the contrary, expect a lot.
[12:21] <Hfuy> Yes.
[12:21] <fidel> kandinski: i am using another dvb-t device so no idea what driver you need in the first place -. cant help you on the driver/firmware part
[12:21] <Dr_Willis>  loose the attitude would be more helpfull
[12:21] <thermostat> I use that for everything, never had a hiccup
[12:21] <Hfuy> Still, at least Ubuntu 12.04 Wascally Wabbit or whatever it's called will actually FIT on a four gig USB stick, which windows 7 wouldn't.
[12:21] <usr13> Hfuy: That may be the problem, if you downloaded a compressed image....
[12:22] <rajumoh> Dr_Willis, ThinkT510 : does not ubuntu have a place where it releases if a kernel has reached enough stabilty to be tried on ?
[12:22] <kandinski> fidel, thanks
[12:22] <Hfuy> usr13: I let the installer tool download the image.
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> rajumoh:  ive not needed to do that. So not sure.
[12:22] <usr13> Hfuy: Usually that is not the case, you just end up with an ISO image, (not a compressed ISO).
[12:22] <thermostat> It's best to dl the ISO yourself
[12:22] <Hfuy> Other than trivial selection of files and so forth, I have had very little involvement in this process. I just followed the instructions.
[12:22] <ThinkT510> rajumoh: not sure what you mean, but the kernel it is released with is the only one that recieves updates and support
[12:23] <Hfuy> But again, this is linux, so just following the instructions is... not... usually very effective.
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> but ranting on Irc is..
[12:23]  * BluesKaj throws Hfuy a crying towel
[12:23] <fidel> ignore ole ole
[12:23] <usr13> Hfuy: I've not done it on MS Windows, only on Linux so I'm not really familiar with the process for doing it on a MS Windows machine, but I'm pretty sure the instructions are correct, they are tried and proven.
[12:24] <rajumoh> Dr_Willis, ThinkT510 : ok,  thanks
[12:24] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  what usr13 says... and used by many
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> rajumoh:  you could test out 12.10 if you want to see if the newer kernel versions work. Not sure what verson the latest 12.10 release is using.
[12:24] <Hfuy> usr13: well, clearly not.
[12:25] <Hfuy> I don't even really understand what the error means. It's trying to mount /dev/loop1 on /cow. Whatever any of that is.
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> file witten incorrectly, or read error on the flash drive..
[12:25] <Hfuy> mounting /dev/sda on /mnt/mydisk would make sense.
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> its not mount things like that.. its using special live-filesystem setups
[12:26] <Hfuy> Whatever. It's not something I can fix, I assume.
[12:26] <Hfuy> In any case I'm now 68.5% through making another usb stick.
[12:26] <rajumoh> Dr_Willis: was doing the same :-)
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> Verify iso.. try other tools.. try pendrive on other machines.
[12:26] <Hfuy> I don't have any other machines that don't have their disks plugged in.
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> ive defainatly had USB flash drives work on some machines.. and not others..
[12:27] <Hfuy> This one is in pieces on the desktop. I'd never trust linux with drives I actually care about.
[12:27] <usr13> If you have problems burning the ISO to a media device, there are three issues at play, 1) The integrity of the ISO, 2) The burning software, & 3) The media device, (could be defective).
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> but not so much in  the last few years.. some older ones were very picky
[12:27] <Hfuy> on a purely technical level, booting from USB is tricky in itself, regardless of OS.
[12:27] <usr13> Hfuy: You might try another USB stic,
[12:27] <thermostat> Download the .iso from the site. Plug in a new empty USB drive. Open Easy USB Installer, choose the distro version, select iso. Select drive letter.
[12:27] <Hfuy> Windows by default is set up to disallow it.
[12:27] <thermostat> That's it
[12:27] <Hfuy> thermostat: that's more or less what I did.
[12:27] <Hfuy> And it didn't boot.
[12:28] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: you don't need to unplug harddrives to use a liveusb/cd and the liveusb/cd won't touch your harddrive unless you specifically told it to
[12:28] <thermostat> Not more or less
[12:28] <usr13> Hfuy: The BIOS is set to disallow it.
[12:28] <Hfuy> ThinkT510: People say that, I don't trust it.
[12:28] <Hfuy> usr13: well, that too, but windows is internally set up such that the installer will not let you install it to USB devices.
[12:28] <Hfuy> You can, by unpacking the installer and hacking on text files, persuade it to do so. But it's tricky.
[12:28] <Hfuy> I only got it to work once.
[12:29] <usr13> Hfuy: ThinkT510 is correct, you don't need to unplug devices, you only need to look at BIOS settings for proper choices.
[12:29] <Hfuy> usr13: This is work data on big RAIDs. The last thing I need is some linux daemon deciding they all need formatting.
[12:29] <fqqv> hello
[12:29] <usr13> Hfuy: This is not a MS Windows issue.
[12:29] <DanielHolth> Will someone with AMD64 do the following: install python-keyring and then "python -c "import keyring"
[12:30] <Lloir> why DanielHolth
[12:30] <DanielHolth> it core dumps for me
[12:30] <Hfuy> No, usr13, it's not.
[12:30] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: seriously, if you're worried about formatting things accidentally then you simply don't know what you're doing
[12:30] <usr13> Hfuy: They will not all be formatted unless you select an option to do it.
[12:30] <Hfuy> I'm not worried about me formatting things accidentally.
[12:30] <Hfuy> I'm worried about linux being incompetent.
[12:30] <Lloir> oO
[12:30] <Hfuy> And based on my experience so far today, I'd say that fear was justified.
[12:30] <pb|away> blasphemy
[12:30]  * Dr_Willis is more worried about pointless trolling.
[12:30] <usr13> I think he is missing an f and the f and h are transposed.
[12:31] <fidel> hrhr
[12:31] <fqqv> How can I make the icon not wiggle on the  when I close/open a window ?
[12:31] <fidel> you guys are feeding them way to long
[12:31] <usr13> No, seriously, he is just scheptical, and that is a natural thing....
[12:31] <Hfuy> Two minutes thirty till this unpack is done.
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> fqqv:  i belive ive seen some tweaks for that in Either MyUnity or Ubuntu-tweak
[12:32] <OerHeks> fqqv, use my-unity to tweak that behaviour
[12:32] <Sidewinder1> Hfuy, I think you originally stated you just wanted something to check LAN connection; then, with all due respect, why not just use a LiveCD? Seems a lot more simple than installing to a USB stick.
[12:32] <fqqv> Dr_Willis, OerHeks  Thanks, I'll check it out
[12:32] <Hfuy> Sidewinder1: The machine lacks an optical drive.
[12:32] <usr13> He is having a problem and not sure what it is.
[12:32] <Hfuy> And so does this netbook.
[12:32] <Hfuy> Or I would have.
[12:32] <ThinkT510> Sidewinder1 +1
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Sidewinder1:  or just use TinyCoreLinux like i suggested. :)
[12:32] <Sidewinder1> Hfuy, OIC.. :(
[12:32] <Hfuy> In any case, I'm not sure that would have made any difference.
[12:33] <Hfuy> The boot process seemed to have some sort of intrinsic problem built into it. I don't know if this new version will solve it.
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Faulty reasoning is faulty.
[12:33] <usr13> Hfuy: That's ok, USB installs work just fine. In fact, I prefer USB install.
[12:33] <Hfuy> well it didn't work fine or I wouldn't be here.
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Yes.. a bad iso download points to Intrisic problems of the OS..
[12:33] <Hfuy> It fell over halfway through boot.
[12:33] <usr13> Hfuy: No, it works fine, you just have an issue or two to work out.
[12:33] <Hfuy> Although to be fair, it did pop up a Ubuntu logo at the right resolution for the display for a few seconds, which is impressive.
[12:34] <usr13> Hfuy: You'll get it if you try.
[12:34] <Hfuy> linux now understands widescreen displays! yay! progress!
[12:34] <iceroot> Hfuy: linux has nothing to do with a display
[12:35] <Hfuy> I wouldn't mind having a ubuntu flash key that works as I'd like to try it on this laptop, since it currently runs windows 7 and is appallingly slow. I don't know if there's any particular reason Ubuntu would be faster, but it's worth a try.
[12:35] <pb> windows = bloat.
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> less ram ussage. less cpu ussage.
[12:35] <Hfuy> Okay, it's finished building the USB key again.
[12:35] <Hfuy> Let's try this one more time.
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> lightest variant of Ubuntu would be the "Lubuntu"  version.
[12:36]  * Sidewinder1 Crosses his fingers..
[12:36] <pb> Dr_Willis, whats the install size for lubuntu? 5gb?
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> pb:  i think it can fit on a 4gb flash.
[12:36] <pb> insane.
[12:36] <Hfuy> I tend not usually to put linux on laptops unless there is a specifically tweaked version for that exact laptop, though.
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> but moar is always better.
[12:37] <Hfuy> Otherwise you find half the hardware doesn't work.
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy:   i find that statement totally false.
[12:37] <islandmonkey> Hfuy: Same here
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> and i cant even think of the last laptop-make specific disrto ive seen.
[12:37] <islandmonkey> No whoops
[12:37] <Hfuy> Okay, I can "continue to boot from first HD" or "linux distributions ->"
[12:37] <islandmonkey> I meant Dr_Willis
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  read this at some later time http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/
[12:37] <Hfuy> Okay, loading linux.
[12:37] <fidel> Dr_Willis: full ack
[12:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> sounds like Hfuy is an expert on all linux installs
[12:38] <Hfuy> OK, purple screen with Ubuntu logo.
[12:38] <pb> ^^
[12:38] <Sidewinder1> Woot!
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> I do recall seeng the Android 4.0.4 x86 having some differnt versions for Differnt Netbooks.
[12:38] <Hfuy> Don't get too excited. It did this before.
[12:38] <islandmonkey> Come on! Come on! Come on!
[12:38] <Hfuy> ...and I've got a desktop.
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> wow....
[12:38] <Sidewinder1> Imagine that...
[12:38] <Hfuy> Someone tell ubuntu.com their pen drive installer doesn't work.
[12:39] <Hfuy> That was not, I'm sure you'll admit, a great introduction to the OS.
[12:39] <fidel> or pebcac ? ;)
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy:  its not THEIR installer.. as you said.. it came from pendrivelinux.com
[12:39] <Hfuy> Well someone should tell them anyway.
[12:39] <Hfuy> YUMI seems almost identical, but it worked, whereas the one they recommed didn't.
[12:39] <pb> if you get in line im sure the wait won't be long
[12:39] <Hfuy> Some would consider this a problem.
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> report it to the pendrivelinux.com site then.
[12:39] <ardvarticus> Hey, my new install of 12.04 thinks my PC is a laptop… any way to fix?
[12:39] <Hfuy> Amazingly, it's configured the correct screen resolution automatically.
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> ardvarticus:  clarfify what you mean.
[12:40] <ardvarticus> It's on a NVidia 550GTX and I've installed the closed NV Drivers
[12:41] <roasted> Does anybody know the command line equivalent of what you see in update manager to upgrade to the next version of Ubuntu?
[12:41] <ardvarticus> Under displays, it says it's driving a laptop screen
[12:41] <ardvarticus> It's not detected the other monitor
[12:41] <iceroot> !upgrade | roasted
[12:41] <MonkeyDust> roasted  depends on your current version, i guess
[12:41] <ThinkT510> roasted: do-release-upgrade
[12:41] <arak> g'day all. After having been away from my computer for a few hours, with it running, the "unlock" window doesn't appear and it's only a black screen but the programs are stil running (music is playing). I tried to kill the gnome-screensaver, but that failed to do the trick. Starting unity from the CLI got the default background back, but no windows are visible, no menus are available. The mouse cursor is the only thing available to me. How do I restart X, Unity
[12:41] <Sidewinder1> Hfuy, And please remember, if later down the road something does not function to your complete satisfaction you can always demand your money back. ;-)
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> ardvarticus:  how are the 2 monitors connected? same card?  You did reboot after installing the nvidia-drivers?  You ran the nvidia-settings tool after a reboot?
[12:41] <ardvarticus> Nm, got it, I just needed to set up the NV server
[12:41] <roasted> ThinkT510: thanks. I'm seeing in update manager no entry for the new version. I'm on 10.04 and want to upgrade to 12.04.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> ardvarticus:  ;)
[12:42] <ardvarticus> Woooow, I like multii-monitors on ubuntu.
[12:42] <ThinkT510> roasted: wait till 12.04.1
[12:42] <islandmonkey> Hfuy: And your statutory rights will not be affected ;)
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> roasted  august 23
[12:42] <roasted> ThinkT510: too late. already hired to dot he job. :P
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  i think thats on hold like ThinkT510  mentioned.. to allow more 'testing' of the upgrade path.
[12:42] <roasted> MonkeyDust: and here on site.
[12:42] <ardvarticus> Although now displays reports it's a 3600x1080 :D
[12:42] <fidel> roasted: try: do-release-upgrade -d
[12:42] <roasted> oh, crap
[12:42] <roasted> fidel: what's the -d?
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  its doable.. but i always do clean installs..
[12:43] <fidel> roasted: guess what ;)
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> ardvarticus:  now you can have wide wide wide wallpaper
[12:43] <roasted> Dr_Willis: same here, but I'd rather TRY an upgrade and see what happens. It's an LTSP server. LTSP devs confirmed the upgrade works great.
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  that means its sure to fail. ;P
[12:43] <roasted> Dr_Willis: doubt it. Smart group of guys over there.
[12:43] <roasted> Dr_Willis: would bet my car they're correct, easily.
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> Go for it... ;P 'famous last words'
[12:44] <fidel> roasted: i upgraded about 8 boxes from 10.04 to 12.04 - worked for most boxes without any issue - and some had minor issues forcing me to fix it afterwards
[12:44] <ardvarticus> Wow, Ubuntu. Just… ubuntu.
[12:44] <fidel> but overall the update did not compelty fail on any of those boxes
[12:44] <roasted> fidel: sounds good. You updated through do-release-upgrade -d?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> ardvarticus:  all ubuntu-uie goodness..
[12:44] <ardvarticus> I've not used it since like 2008… it looks so polished and shiny now!
[12:44] <fidel> roasted: yep - consider starting by: man do-release-upgrade if you need more infos about the parms
[12:44] <ardvarticus> And OSX-y
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> I dont find it OS-Xy at all...
[12:45] <roasted> fidel: cool, sounds good.
[12:45] <roasted> ardvarticus: as somebody who also uses OSX, I'd disagree. :D
[12:45] <roasted> fidel: good to know you tried that exact thing :P
[12:45] <fidel> roasted: as always: backup the important files first
[12:45] <islandmonkey> ardvarticus: In what way?
[12:45] <roasted> fidel: trying to think of configs worth backing up before I pull the trigger....
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  but it has Icons and a menu! just like OS-X ! :0
[12:45] <roasted> fidel: so far I can only think of dhcp configs and whatnot...
[12:45] <Sculptor_> pidgin is chat client. Any know how 2 configure it
[12:45] <roasted> Dr_Willis: oh, silly me! I forgot EVERYTHING is OSX like. *facepalm*
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> Sculptor_:  Use its settings menus?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  even my Geos-64 stole ideas from OS-X ;
[12:46] <ardvarticus> The settings menu does look a bit familiar, yeah
[12:46] <roasted> ardvarticus: if that's the case, Windows 7, Windows 8, XP, and Android look like OSX too.
[12:46] <Hfuy-> where were we
[12:46] <fidel> all os-/gui designers are stealing from each others - thats pretty old history. so lets rephrase: they all look like modern UIs ;)
[12:46] <bb42> hi, what mp3 player would you suggest for use without x env.?
[12:46] <Hfuy-> how do I go about finding out if this thing thinks it has a working LAN port?
[12:47] <Sculptor_> @Dr_Willis I configured it but it shows msg unable to connect
[12:47] <ardvarticus> But I don't know, it's maybe because it's got a really nice icon-rich UI with a *nix monster hiding inside
[12:47] <Sculptor_> our domain under the gmail.com
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> bb42:  theres several in the repos. it depends on your needs.
[12:47] <islandmonkey> And so do you look like OS X. So does your home, so does the sky, so does, everything!
[12:47] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: you'd need to trust it enough to plug in an ethernet cable
[12:47] <bb42> I'm struggeling between cmus and mp3blaster
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> islandmonkey:  my dog looks like 'FireFox' - since hes a Pomerianian. ;P
[12:47] <Hfuy-> I've don ethat
[12:47] <fidel> Hfuy-: replace your MS cmd: ipconfig with ifconfig
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> bb42:  so install both.. try them out.
[12:48] <Sidewinder1> Sculptor_, I used to use Pidgin; found that it lacked some functionality. I then upgraded to X-Chat and haven't looked back. You may wish to have a look at it.
[12:48] <fidel> that should output your config - then try to ping as you would do in the MS-world
[12:48] <ardvarticus> Also, my dock's on the LH side of the screen so it looks kind of like the ubuntu bar
[12:48] <bb42> but I'm unsure because I need something which needs as less system ressources as possible but can play mp3music
[12:48] <Hfuy-> where do I get a shell
[12:48] <fidel> Hfuy-: c'mon
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> !terminal
[12:48] <ardvarticus> Oh, and the ubuntu software store thing!
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> or ctrl-shift-t
[12:49] <Sculptor_> @Sidewinder1 Can I configure gmail account with xchat
[12:49] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: are you on the desktop?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> i think. or was it alt-ctrl-t
[12:49] <Hfuy-> Yes, I don't actually have an "applications" menu.
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> or tap the 'alt' key then type 'term' and it should show up..
[12:49] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: press the super key and type terminal
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> top left BIG button is a launcher menyu thang. :) the Dash..
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> gee like 5+ ways to get a terminal going.
[12:49] <Sidewinder1> Sculptor_, I'm not sure; I've never tried but the answer is probably yes.
[12:49] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: super = windows logo key
[12:50] <Hfuy-> I have workspace switcher, system settings, Ubuntu One, Ubuntu Software Center, LibreOffice Impress, Calc, and Writer, Firefox, HomeFolder, Install, and Dash Home.
[12:50] <Sculptor_> @Sidewinder1 thanks
[12:50] <Sidewinder1> My pleasure,..
[12:50] <bb42> Dr_Willis: Will do so.)
[12:50] <Hfuy-> Holding windows logo and typing "term" gets me "search music collection"
[12:50] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: the terminal is the first thing i usually add to the unity bar
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Dash has  search field at the top.  type in 'term' and several terminals icons show up.
[12:51] <Sculptor_> @Sidewinder1 what is best client chat for ubuntu instead of empathy
[12:51] <Sculptor_> IM
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> tap 'super' type 'term' in the search field..
[12:51] <Hfuy-> Right, OK, got a terminal.
[12:51] <ardvarticus> I like colloquy. I don't think it's in the software centre though
[12:51] <iceroot> Sculptor_: the one you like most
[12:51] <Sidewinder1> Sculptor_, As I said, I use X-Chat.
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy-  ok, you managed to boot it, now get familiar with it, like we all had to
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[12:51] <Hfuy-> I have no wish to get familiar with it, I just want to find out if the LAN hardware on this motherboard is working.
[12:51] <pb> pigeon ?
[12:52] <Hfuy-> Typing "ifconfig" lists only "lo".
[12:52] <Hfuy-> Is it possible there's a driver issue?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy-:  for a Wired network card?
[12:52] <Hfuy-> These boards use some sort of fairly common Marvell LAN chip.
[12:52] <Hfuy-> Yes.
[12:52] <fidel> so you want to use something you dont know & understand ...sounds promising ;)
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> Ive rarely needed or seen extra drivers for Wired Nics
[12:52] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: can you pastebin the result?
[12:52] <roasted> fidel: got resolv backed up, smb.conf, ltsp chroot, lts.conf, dhcp config... no idea what else I could need...
[12:52] <Hfuy-> the result of what?
[12:52] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: ifconfig
[12:53] <mofaph> Hi, all. What is the use of /lib/init/rw?
[12:53] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: lspci would help too
[12:53] <Hfuy-> I get one result "lo" "link encap: local loopback"
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> Double check the cables also. :) make sure the dog/cat/kids havent chewed on them.
[12:53] <Sidewinder1> Hfuy-, Open Firefox; 'touch' an outside web page like CNN.com. If it resolves, there's a pretty good chance that your LAN/router are working.
[12:53] <Hfuy-> I can't pastebin anything. The LAN hardware on this PC doesn't work. That's why we're here.
[12:53] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: type lspci
[12:53] <Hfuy-> If I open firefox, I get a "server not found" on start.ubuntu.com
[12:54] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: can you see your ethernet there?
[12:54] <Hfuy-> wait one
[12:54] <Hfuy-> oh god, there's craptons of it
[12:54] <Hfuy-> I assume I'm looking for "marvell ethernet something something"
[12:54] <Sidewinder1> Hfuy-, Not a good sign.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis>  lspci | grep net                 should show what NIC you have.
[12:55] <Hfuy-> can't type a pipe
[12:55] <Hfuy-> bad keymap
[12:55] <pb> dude this laptop your working on sounds like a pos..
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[12:55] <Hfuy-> I can type a pipe here
[12:55] <Hfuy-> just not on ubuntu
[12:55] <ThinkT510> he said he's on a desktop
[12:55] <Hfuy-> so which OS is the POS :)
[12:55] <pb> even worse
[12:55] <Hfuy-> (you rather walked into that one, sorry)
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> look at the lspci output then for the network Line..
[12:56] <Hfuy-> ok, I found it
[12:56] <Hfuy-> lspci grepped for "net" outputs nothing
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> $ lspci | grep Net
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> 07:01.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2500 Wireless 802.11bg (rev 01)
[12:56] <Hfuy-> yes.
[12:56] <Hfuy-> I get nothing
[12:57] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: then it is likely a hardware issue
[12:57] <pb> my desktop is like 10 years old.. I booted up ubuntu without an issue. using legacy hardware.. its not the OS.
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> check 'dmesg' command output at the end.. may be some error/infos
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Hopefully the NIC is not disabled in the bios. ;)
[12:57] <Hfuy-> it's not
[12:57] <Hfuy-> I tried that a lot
[12:57] <Hfuy-> first thing I checked.
[12:58] <Hfuy-> It's behaving as if that were so, though.
[12:58] <Hfuy-> should I grep dmesg for net, perhaps
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> just look at the end of the output
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> you cant do a | so you cant really grep easially. :)
[12:59] <Hfuy-> I found the pipe character. It's a shifted #.
[12:59]  * DebolazW decides he needs to learn about preseeding.
[12:59] <Hfuy-> The only instances of "net" in dmesg are "audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled"
[12:59] <Hfuy-> and "bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3"
[12:59] <ThinkT510> Hfuy-: by default ubuntu uses american keymap (mine is uk)
[12:59] <Hfuy-> Yes I noticed.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> [    3.252067] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. soundding more and more like the NIC is totally unseen by the OS/system
[13:00] <Hfuy-> Yes.
[13:00] <Hfuy-> Checking BIOS settings one last time.
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> even if it was unplugged it would still show up in dmesg/lspci
[13:01] <Hfuy-> in bios, "Marvell LAN1: Enabled"
[13:01] <Hfuy-> LAN Boot ROM is disabled, but that should be fine, right?
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> that woule be to boot from LAN. so id think that would be off.
[13:02] <Hfuy-> it is.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> does it say/mention the exact marvell Chipset?
[13:04] <Hfuy> the Asus download page for this mobo offers "MarvellYukon_Ethernet_V111053_Windows7"
[13:04] <Hfuy> So I guess it's a Marvell Yukon
[13:04] <Hfuy> Is that supported by default in Ubuntu?
[13:04] <Hfuy> Even if not I would expect it to appear in lspci
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> i cant recall ever seeing a wired nic that wasent supported..
[13:05] <Hfuy> well presumably it's possible.
[13:05] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: yeah, it would appear in lspci even if there wasn't a driver for it
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/161507/marvell-yukon-ethernet
[13:05] <shomon> hi, on ubuntu if I want users to be able to log in with the same users/passwords over a local wifi network.. how do I set it up?
[13:06] <Hfuy> You know, this network flakiness only occurs when I plug the suspect LAN hardware into the router.
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/161507/marvell-yukon-ethernet   shows that card may use the sky2 module. O
[13:06] <Hfuy> Does that mean it should be supported
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> depends on the exact chipset..but id say yes.
[13:07] <Hfuy> And even if it wasn't supported, it should still show up in lspci.
[13:07] <Hfuy> ...right?
[13:07] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: i'd expect it would appear just as unknown
[13:07] <j0lly> Hi im running ubuntu in efi mode from a macbook.. everyrhing smooth but ive seen kernel start with efifb than after kms load i915 intel the console switch to inteldrmfb with a flikwring of the screen... how could i boot the kernwl with intel efi driver from beginning?
[13:08] <j0lly> Have to compile intel driver oe something in the kernwl statically?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> googling some more -> Yukon 88E8052 ethernet card driver called sk98lin
[13:08] <j0lly> Or just blccklist something?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Hfuy:  check dmesg command  befor you plug the cable in. and a few moments afterwards...
[13:08] <Hfuy> okay
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> there may be some info messages at the end.
[13:09] <Hfuy> right now, after boot, the end of dmesg is all about "drm noveau 0000:04:00:0: PMFB4_SUBP1 0x037f0040" etc
[13:10] <Hfuy> and sound stuff
[13:10] <Hfuy> it found the nvidia sound hardware
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> thats  Noveau - nvidia driver stuff for the video.
[13:10] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: nouveau is for graphics
[13:10] <Hfuy> fine
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> I forget the command to watch dmesg output in real time...
[13:10] <ThinkT510> tail -f
[13:10] <Hfuy> fine
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> tail -f /var/log/dmesg     ;)
[13:11] <Hfuy> I just plugged in the LAN cable and no new dmesg stuff appeared
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> and then as you plug/unplug/do stuff - new messages should appear.. if Nothing changes on plug insertion/removal.. well.. i would say that points to a bad NIC/port
[13:11] <ThinkT510> i concur
[13:12] <shomon> how do you set up ubuntu on many machines so that all users can log in on all machines?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> I cant think of any other tests.. then to try a radiaclly differnt disrto like TinyCorelinux that Might  be doing somthign differnt/see it. (its only a 10mb disrto)
[13:12] <Hfuy> honestly guys I got the same results in windows
[13:12] <Hfuy> which is a WILDLY different OS.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> then i guess we can safely say 'Hes Dead Jim!'
[13:13] <Hfuy> I tend to agree
[13:13]  * Hfuy calls the supplier
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> because we all know windows is perfect.. :)
[13:14] <Chromeboy> Hi guys, just wondering what the best way to upgrade from 12.04 -> 12.10 is? I don't really want to have to burn any discs and note that I'm operating inside virtual box... can I do it straight from the terminal?
[13:14] <SolomonGrundy> OOOOOHHHHhhHHHH SNAP!!!!
[13:14] <jpds> Chromeboy: #ubuntu+1
[13:14] <MonkeyDust> Chromeboy  ask in #ubuntu+1
[13:14] <Chromeboy> ok
[13:14] <Chromeboy> thanks
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> Chromeboy:  you dont need to burn disks for virtualbox.. it can boot ISO files....
[13:15] <administrador> hello!!
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> be best to test 12.10 in a clean install in vbox i imagine. :) first.
[13:15] <administrador> spanish??
[13:15] <Chromeboy> @Dr_Willis yeah your probably right
[13:15] <shomon> does anyone know how to set up user management across a lan in ubuntu?
[13:15] <SolomonGrundy> What would I do to upgrade from 32-bit Ubuntu to 64-bit Ubuntu?
[13:15] <Chromeboy> thanks :)
[13:15] <shomon> please :S
[13:15] <ThinkT510> !es | administrador
[13:16] <ThinkT510> SolomonGrundy: you don't, you reinstall
[13:16] <compdoc> Hfuy, Ive had to add pci network cards to a lot of systems that had the onboard ethernet fail
[13:17] <SolomonGrundy> Would it be worth the leg-work to upgrade to the 64-bit version?
[13:17] <ThinkT510> SolomonGrundy: not in the least
[13:17] <j0lly> So how could i start the kernel use the inteldrmfb instead the generic efifb driver? Without switch in the middle of boot process?
[13:17] <ThinkT510> SolomonGrundy: just reinstall
[13:18] <SolomonGrundy> I understand that, but would it be worth it to wipe out my 32-bit to install 64-bit?
[13:18] <ThinkT510> SolomonGrundy: oh sorry, depends on how much you want 64bit
[13:19] <ThinkT510> SolomonGrundy: and how easy you find setting up ubuntu
[13:19] <kristenbb>  I'm trying to find where the nx sessions are kept. My client offers to create new ones, but not delete existing ones.
[13:19] <SolomonGrundy> I haven't been able to find a solid reason to switch.
[13:20] <ThinkT510> SolomonGrundy: if you need it then go for it, if you just want it and it won't be too much hassle then go for it
[13:20] <SolomonGrundy> Any significant changes between the 32-bit and 64-bit?
[13:20] <ThinkT510> SolomonGrundy: from a users perspective they are identical
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> ive found my video reencding a bit faster in 64bit.
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> and really cant find many reasons to Not go 64bit on 64bit hardware.
[13:22] <ThinkT510> Dr_Willis +1
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> even my netbook is somehow 64bit ;)
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> i think its sort of a fake 64 bit.. but i was suprised my 64bit flash worked on it.
[13:26] <ocx_> whats a good open source ERP software to be installed on linux?
[13:26] <shomon> tryton
[13:26] <shomon> for varying definitions of "good"
[13:26] <KiteHawk> vtiger
[13:27] <KiteHawk> VTiger seemed to be pretty cool crms
[13:27] <BotaniCar> isn't vtiger a CMS ?
[13:27] <shomon> crm is different though
[13:27] <KiteHawk> CRMS
[13:27] <shomon> we are using tryton to process product lists, prices, storage, times...
[13:27] <shomon> and produce reports
[13:27] <shomon> so more erp
[13:27] <shomon> it does appointments and contacts too though I think
[13:27] <BotaniCar> i'd try OpenBravo if you need a ERP
[13:28] <KiteHawk> Drupal web based erp too
[13:28] <karthick87> I have created useraccount from terminal. But it is not showing home folders for that newly created user account. I have created it using "useradd -m -s /bin/bash username".. But when i view it from terminal using ls /home/username it is empty i am not able to find Desktop, Music, Pictures fodler..
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> whoever asked for ERP: http://www.openerp.com/
[13:30] <kazim59> is the left sidebar really sticky in 12.04, or is it a bug I am facing?
[13:30] <ThinkT510> kazim59: sticky?
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> kazim59  it's sticky
[13:30] <kazim59> ThinkT510: like in 11.10, it used to slide out of view, making all the space available
[13:31] <kazim59> MonkeyDust: okay.. you never know when unity has got a feature, and when its a bug
[13:31] <ahoneybun> You mean autohide and window dodge?
[13:31] <ThinkT510> kazim59: oh, isn't that configurable
[13:31] <MonkeyDust> kazim59  sarcast;)
[13:31] <kazim59> ThinkT510: no idea, just spent 4 min on 12.04
[13:31] <MonkeyDust> kazim59  try MyUnity
[13:32] <Smilex> does the ubuntu repo have mysql workbench on it?
[13:32] <ThinkT510> kazim59: check the settings, i'm pretty sure you can set it to autohide
[13:32] <kazim59> ThinkT510: sure thanks
[13:32] <kazim59> let me first experience it this way... :-)
[13:33] <ThinkT510> !info mysql-workbench | Smilex
[13:33] <KiteHawk> 12.04 runs really slow how can we disable unity?
[13:33] <kazim59> yes there is an option
[13:33] <ThinkT510> Kitar|st: install another desktop
[13:34] <Smilex> ThinkT510: ok, thanks
[13:34] <ThinkT510> Smilex: no worries :)
[13:35] <Smilex> ThinkT510: wait, can I private msg ubottu to get information from the ubuntu repo like that?
[13:35] <kristenbb>  I'm trying to find where the nx sessions are kept. My client offers to create new ones, but not delete existing ones.
[13:35] <ahoneybun> kazim59,  are you talking about autohide?
[13:36] <ThinkT510> Smilex: indeed you can
[13:36] <kazim59> ahoneybun: yes, I found it
[13:36] <ThinkT510> !msgthebot | Smilex
[13:36] <kazim59> but I think I decreased the size to 32... and that's better.
[13:36] <kazim59> better than autohide
[13:37] <ahoneybun> kazim59, good, silly freenode I saw your message like 5 mins ago but had to register in the chatroom! lol
[13:37] <kazim59> ahoneybun: lol
[13:37] <ahoneybun> kazim59, now I was too late lol
[13:37] <Smilex> ThinkT510: thanks, need it to help a friend
[13:38] <kazim59> ahoneybun: all credit in my finding goes to you
[13:38] <ahoneybun> kazim59, I was not here lol
[13:39] <j0lly> Hey what about video driver in efi mode? How could i boot with intelfb instead generic efifb? Have to rwcompile?
[13:40] <ahoneybun> j0lly, darn you UEFI
[13:40] <markiv> hey
[13:40] <ahoneybun> markdark_, hello!
[13:40] <ahoneybun> markiv, hell!
[13:40] <ahoneybun> hello
[13:40] <KiteHawk> best soundcard for recording and compatibility with ubuntu 12.04
[13:41] <KiteHawk> ?
[13:42] <ahoneybun> KiteHawk, I'm sorry I can not recommend you one as I do not do that.
[13:42] <Hfuy> they're refusing to trans-ship the replacement board
[13:43] <Hfuy> bitches
[13:43] <j0lly> ahoneybun, well this is good also for non efi.. how could i use inetlfb instead vesagb?  4 me ia more impo the 1 question... heje
[13:43] <ahoneybun> Hfuy, language please
[13:43] <Hfuy> Which language?
[13:43] <ahoneybun> Hfuy, cursing
[13:43] <Hfuy> Oh, please. Aren't we all grownups?
[13:44] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: channel policy
[13:44] <ThinkT510> !language
[13:44] <ScottHarrison> Hfuy, no, not everyone here is an adult. It's also beside the point, foul language isn't a sign of maturity... quite the opposite.
[13:44] <ahoneybun> yea
[13:44] <shade_facet> a
[13:44] <Hfuy> I don't HAVE a family, so you'll have to overlook any minor transgressions.
[13:45] <ScottHarrison> Hfuy, "minor transgressions" are fine, just accept the channel policy when you have been informed of it.
[13:45] <Hfuy> I've said far worse than that, in any case!
[13:46] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: the point is you don't need to
[13:46] <ahoneybun> Hfuy,  "Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the Ubuntu IRC channels friendly places for everyone. This means that you should avoid any language which may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such language."
[13:46] <Guest80119> I have just install iHRIS(Human Resource Information System) 4.1.2 an when i link my mange page it displays this :Site update in progress. We will wait a few moments before retrying.
[13:47] <Hfuy> You need to be a bit careful about that - almost anything can be considered offensive by someone.
[13:47] <MonkeyDust> Guest80119  linux has HRM programs too
[13:47] <ahoneybun> j0lly, even though I have a UEFI BIOS I do not fully understand a lot of it
[13:48] <ScottHarrison> Hfuy, you're quickly heading in to troll territory...
[13:48] <ahoneybun> Hfuy, try I think it mostly covers cursing though, just treat as if there are child in here. There are child/teen GNU/Linux users
[13:48] <Hfuy> well, that's really their parents' problem, not mine.
[13:48] <Guest80119> not HRM iHRIS.
[13:49] <ahoneybun> Hfuy, no it is your problem as you joined this IRC room and agreed to the policy when you did
[13:49] <ScottHarrison> ahoneybun, ignore the troll?
[13:49] <j0lly> Ahoneybun, me neiher thats why i want to learn.... bjut this seems a basic kernel and bootup thing... how could i use a drivwr instwd other at startup?
[13:49] <Hfuy> I'm afraid not, but if you don't want to discuss it, that's fine.
[13:49] <day> shit im 1min 2 late
[13:49] <ThinkT510> !language | day
[13:50] <ahoneybun> ScottHarrison, maybe I should. I think I'm becoming a problem myself.
[13:50] <indigoferal> ThinkT510, would it be right to assume that you have a lenovo thinkpad t510 ? if yes i have some questions
[13:50] <DebolazW> Can the content of an ubuntu ISO be rewritten simply by mounting it rw? (Given that they are hybrid isos)
[13:51] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: indeed
[13:51] <Hfuy> Default ubuntu desktop is quite pretty.
[13:51] <Hfuy> Sort of... splodgey red-purple?
[13:51] <ahoneybun> DebolazW, I believe the hybrid isos are for using the dd command
[13:51] <indigoferal> Is yours a 64 bit machine
[13:52] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: yes
[13:52] <DebolazW> Hfuy: Default ubuntu desktop is one of the uglier things I've seen in life. Purple wasn't pretty back in the XP days, and it haven't grown more attractive since then.
[13:52] <Hfuy> Is grep case-sensitive?
[13:52] <ahoneybun> j0lly, I'm not sure I could not get WIndows 7 and Ubuntu to dual boot on my UEFI machine so I just used wubi
[13:52] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: yes
[13:52] <Hfuy> Debolaz: It's prettier'n Windows 7.
[13:52] <karthick87> I have created useraccount from terminal. But it is not showing home folders for that newly created user account. I have created it using "useradd -m -s /bin/bash username".. But when i view it from terminal using ls /home/username it is empty i am not able to find Desktop, Music, Pictures fodler..
[13:52] <indigoferal> ThinkT510, i have had a major issue, will pastebin the whole thing in a bit and look forward to your comments
[13:52] <avelldiroll> Hfuy: yes, except if you add the -i flag
[13:52] <ScottHarrison> Debolaz, I don't mind it. Definitely better than some others I've seen.
[13:53] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: can you post lspci?
[13:53] <DebolazW> ScottHarrison: That there are worse things doesn't mean something isn't ugly. But don't get me wrong, Unity is exceedingly pleasant to use functionality-wise, I'm talking purely about the visual aspect.
[13:53] <ScottHarrison> karthick87, have you tried logging in to the account? I can't say that's the issue but it may help.
[13:53] <Hfuy> so "lspci | grep -i net"
[13:53] <indigoferal> am away from the machine but will link to th graphics card as well
[13:54] <Hfuy> I once put Compiz on a laptop.
[13:54] <Hfuy> Before windows 7 and the Aero stuff, that did raise some eyebrows.
[13:54] <ScottHarrison> Debolaz, well, I won't say the default is "pretty" but I don't rush to change it whenever I do a new build. As for Unity, I agree, it's excellent.
[13:54] <Hfuy> I quite like it.
[13:55] <cheryl_> Hi, having a problem installing spotify using wine, can anyone help plse? I get this error "The file '/home/cheryl/Downloads/Spotify Installer.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit."
[13:55] <Hfuy> Better than when Ubuntu used to mean "brown"
[13:55] <DebolazW> One of my main difficulties when trying new distros is that I don't get to use Unity on them. (In most cases)
[13:55] <DebolazW> Hfuy: Debatable.
[13:55] <Hfuy> You have to wonder if the person who made the "brown" decision had eyes.
[13:55] <DebolazW> Hfuy: I'm not arguing that brown was better…. But I'm not convinced purple was a step up.
[13:56] <Hfuy> It seems to opt for rather softer text antialiasing than windows does.,
[13:56] <Hfuy> I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
[13:57] <gitesh> Hi
[13:57] <Hfuy> Perhaps I'll try it on this laptop.
[13:57] <Hfuy> Does it come with an IRC client?
[13:58] <grefter> heh
[13:58] <DJones> Hfuy: Yes, xchat or irssi for command line
[13:58] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: not sure, i just install xchat
[13:58] <DJones> xchis GUI based
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> irssi <3
[13:58] <grefter> irssi ftw!!!
[13:58] <Hfuy> oh
[13:58] <Hfuy> it's telling me to use apt.
[13:58]  * Hfuy is afraid of apt
[13:58] <grefter> gui chat..sooo...windoze!! :D
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> apt is the 'installer' in ubuntu
[13:59] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[13:59] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: synaptic is better
[13:59] <Hfuy> Synaptic is just a front end to apt, isn't it?
[13:59] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: yes
[13:59] <Hfuy> Then it has alllll the same problems.
[13:59] <gitesh> Thanks to <b636bc7ca>  & <JessicaW> Finally I could start Internet connection on my server with pppoeconf, today :)
[13:59] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: if you want super simple though you could use the software centre
[13:59] <Hfuy> anyway, "unable to locate package xchat"
[14:00] <grefter> apt-get install irssi
[14:00] <grefter> :D
[14:00] <ThinkT510> !find xchat
[14:00] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: its there
[14:00] <Hfuy> would I need a network connection for this
[14:00] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: yes
[14:00] <gitesh> Can I have a GUI for ubuntu-server 12.04 ?
[14:00] <grefter> no
[14:00] <Hfuy> yes? no?
[14:00] <grefter> why would you need a network connection for the internet?
[14:00] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: yes, it downloads the ackages from the repo
[14:00] <Hfuy> Okay.
[14:00] <ezio> is there any way to make dd not continue forever?
[14:01] <Hfuy> That's a grossly unhelpful error message, then.
[14:01] <ezio> when copying from dev zero
[14:01] <Hfuy> it also says "you will have to enable the component called "universe""
[14:02] <Hfuy> what does that mean
[14:02] <indigoferal> ThinkT510, problems and associated details pastebinned here description of problem - http://pastebin.com/QZCYMGJ0 - t510 xorg fatal error - no screen found, xorg.conf.failsafe http://pastebin.com/f5UhBF66 -Graphics card  and other details - http://pastebin.com/wgrprGPS
[14:03] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  that's a software source
[14:03] <Hfuy> how would I enable a component called universe then
[14:04] <Hfuy> Can't I just download an installer from somewhere and run it!?
[14:04] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: what was on /home
[14:05] <Hfuy> How do I become root, here
[14:05] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: if it was already used from another install it most likely had a xorg config that conflicted/overwrote the default config
[14:05] <Hfuy> I can't stand all this you-don't-own-your-own-computer "sudo" stuff
[14:05] <Therion87> lol
[14:06] <stevanr> lol
[14:06] <SolomonGrundy> Hahaha
[14:06] <indigoferal> yes it was from another install - but where is the xorg strored in the home ??
[14:06] <Therion87> It's for your own good
[14:06] <Sidewinder1> Hfuy, sudo for non-graphical programs; gksudo for GUIs.
[14:06] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: with that kind of mentality perhaps you should go back to windows
[14:06] <stevanr> for you own computer good
[14:06] <Hfuy> oh don't worry
[14:06] <Therion87> Sudo prevents you from messing stuff up and things from gaining root access that shouldn;t
[14:06] <Hfuy> windows is chasing linux in that regard
[14:06] <Hfuy> bloody user access control
[14:06] <SolomonGrundy> root access is like asking your older brother if you can play his games.
[14:06] <Hfuy> that gets switched off first, I can tell you
[14:06] <Therion87> If you want to be root in terminal permanently then type sudo su
[14:07] <Hfuy> Sudo prevents nothing. I've had apt hose systems. There is no security.
[14:07] <SolomonGrundy> sometimes he just says 'no. f**k off.'
[14:07] <nemo> hrm. http://askubuntu.com/questions/166172/hedgewars-for-ubuntu-12-04 - wish I could tell this user he probably just needs OpenGL which most likely can be solved by installing the nvidia or ATI driver in jockey
[14:07] <Therion87> You name in terminal will turn red
[14:07] <nemo> but unfortunately he never filed a bug :(
[14:07] <ThinkT510> Therion87: thats not the way to do it
[14:07] <nemo> so I shall not be able to help him
[14:07] <indigoferal> wincedows are the only folks i know who allow one to install software that can wipe out everything just by running a measly executbale
[14:07] <Hfuy> indigoferal: strictly speaking only if you're an admin.
[14:07] <Hfuy> But then you should be an admin as otherwise the machine becomes a pain to use - just like linux.
[14:07] <indigoferal> tell that to the iranians
[14:08] <Sidewinder1> Heh,.
[14:08] <Hfuy> why does it say "ubuntu@ubuntu:~$"
[14:08] <genii-around> The basic idea is... if you have to ask how to get permanent admin/root and already don't know how, are you really prepared for the repercussions of a bad or mistyped command?
[14:08] <fidel_> user@host
[14:08] <SolomonGrundy> I recently switched to Linux. I admit it was more or less for all the eye-candy stuff, but under the hood this runs much better than 'lose'-dows.
[14:09] <marcos_> Ola Pessoal, estou com um pequeno problema aqui e não estou conseguindo resolver
[14:09] <fidel_> !en > marcos_
[14:09] <indigoferal> not really - the primary uses however noob is allowed admin access - the chances of such a user running a malicious programme is very remote - its difficult to find something so malicious for linux , not so for windows
[14:09] <fidel_> !es > marcos_
[14:09] <indigoferal> Hfuy, because its a live session of ubuntu
[14:09] <Hfuy> is there no way I can download an installer and move it over onto the no-network PC on a flash key or something
[14:10] <Hfuy> or is this like Steam, where you HAVE to have a network connection
[14:10] <indigoferal> Hfuy, use apton
[14:10] <indigoferal> install the programme in your live session
[14:10] <indigoferal> use apton to create an iso
[14:10] <fidel_> Hfuy: in theory its possible to move a single .deb to another host - if he has all dependencies
[14:10] <Dr_Willis>  Hfuy  totally depedns on what you are installing also.
[14:10] <marcos_> i+ marcos
[14:11] <OerHeks> !offline
[14:11] <indigoferal> then you can extract the packages in your non net box and run dpkg -i *.deb to install the packages
[14:11] <fidel_> Hfuy: but basically you should always stick to apt via online/local sources
[14:11] <indigoferal> fidel_, in practice its very easy
[14:11] <indigoferal> see the bot agrees with me
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> I always set up an apt-cacher-ng server on my home lan. :) that way its very quick to install apps on other boxs on the lan.
[14:11] <marcos_> aguem aqui fala pt
[14:12] <fidel_> marcos_: we dont speak spoanish inhere
[14:12] <fidel_> marcos_: the bot send you a private message in spanish
[14:12] <fidel_> consider reading it
[14:12] <indigoferal> ThinkT510, ?? so you think the problem is xorg in my /home - so where would it be located
[14:12] <islandmonkey> !es | marcos_
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> indigoferal:  xorg.conf is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:12] <SolomonGrundy> Difference between trolling and sarcasm can be explained in the example of this one sentence: "Windows is getting a new update."
[14:13] <indigoferal> Dr_Willis, yes thats what i thought but have a huge problem installing on a thinkpad t 510 , who luckily is here him/her self "-)
[14:13] <indigoferal> :-) i mean
[14:13] <cmake> I am just curious I know you can read all the man pages online. But I am pretty sure all of the ones for my distro are kept in /usr/share/man in a .gz format. But when I open one it is in a format not readable with a standard gedit program very well.. so I guess I am asking what the man and info tools do ... do they just go to this directory and unzip/extract the particular command page then translate it to a readable format....
[14:13] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: i'd guess its some conf file that is overriding the normal setup
[14:14] <indigoferal> yeah, thats what i think - so am going to delete all the conf files and leave only the data and do a clean install
[14:14] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: does it have an .xinitrc?
[14:14] <cmake> If so how I am assuming there is a program that I can uses other then man / info that would allow me to convert these man pages to html or text
[14:14] <B0g4r7> cmake, using the "man" program is the usual way to read manpages.  If you want to decompress the files and look at them directly, you would probably use the gzip or gunzip program to decompress them.
[14:15] <indigoferal> don't have that machine so not sure ? but sounds familiar
[14:15] <cmake> I understand that but is there away to manually convert them to text , html , postscript , pdf ,...etc
[14:15] <indigoferal> Dr_Willis, in case you are interested in the problem - description of problem - http://pastebin.com/QZCYMGJ0 - t510 xorg fatal error - no screen found , xorg.conf.failsafe http://pastebin.com/f5UhBF66 - , Graphics card  and other details - http://pastebin.com/wgrprGPS
[14:16] <B0g4r7> cmake, well if you gunzip them, the files are text inside, just like they appear when reading them using the "man" program.
[14:17] <cmake> but they have some syntax characters not exactly like reading them through man or info ... Also that won't allow me to create a pdf , ps , or other file
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> theres man2pdf and other tools..
[14:18] <Dr_Willis> theres many web sites that also have the man pages on them  for online reading.
[14:18] <sipior> cmake: process them directly with groff, if you like. try the "-T" switch and output PostScript.
[14:18] <Dr_Willis> sipior:  :) i was tryign to rember what they were formated with.. been years since i messed with *roff
[14:19] <cmake> I always wonder what groff was is that just a program that converts text to ps or pdf
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> troff, nroff, groff, ;) old skool word processing.
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> cmake:  its an old wordprocessing system/typesetting/documention system from like 20+ yrs back.
[14:19] <B0g4r7> cmake, mm, I suppose they do.  I guess you could do something like "man 8 cat > output.txt" to get text output from man...
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> similer in how TeX works.
[14:20] <B0g4r7> Well, bad example as there is no manpage 8 for cat, but you get the idea I hope.
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/19/terminal-tip-output-man-pages-as-plain-text-with-col/
[14:20] <ScottHarrison> cmake,  http://tldp.org/docs.html
[14:21] <cmake> never mind man groff tells me :)
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> http://www.gnutoolbox.com/man-page-txtpdfdochtml/
[14:21] <cmake> does man uses the local man pages or does it go online and download them when  man xxxx
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> man -t man | ps2pdf -  > man.pdf
[14:22] <h00k> cmake: local man pages
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> ive seen some mini-disrtos that reroute to online ones. :)
[14:22] <cmake> gotch hook , DR_W*
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> ive had seen big thick books  of printed man pages. in some old computer labs:)
[14:23] <roasted> So... I opted to remove obsolete packages during my ubuntu upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04... and now it crashed and I see a flashing cursor, black screen. Nothing else.
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset | roasted
[14:26] <indigoferal> roasted, +1 to what Dr_Willis says
[14:27] <roasted> Dr_Willis: I didn't reboot. I was actively in the OS logged in as my administrator user when this happened.
[14:28] <roasted> Dr_Willis: I have tow onder if GDM was part of the obsolete packages (or gnome 2 for that matter) and it nuked them when I said "go"
[14:28] <roasted> Dr_Willis: I can SSH in, but what I'm afraid of is rebooting it via SSH if the upgrade is still happening.
[14:28] <cmake> would this http://www.linuxmanpages.com/ have all the man pages you could ever install currently. Or what I am saying is this the most up to date complete man pages currently for online reading
[14:29] <Gallomimia_> wow lots of great updates lately
[14:29] <animus123> how to convert .rpm package into .deb package?
[14:30] <ssta> animus123: alien
[14:30] <ThinkT510> animus123: you don't
[14:30] <DJones> !alien | animus123
[14:30] <x-ip> hi, a question ... the source code from the ubuntu installer, is open source ?
[14:30] <B0g4r7> animus123, look at the "alien" tool maybe.
[14:30] <Hfuy> An average human might expect gzip to be the compressor, and gunzip to be the decompressor.
[14:30] <animus123> okkk thanks allllllllllll....
[14:30] <ThinkT510> animus123: what pckage are you wanting to install?
[14:31] <Jef91> I've install libreoffice office on Ubuntu 64bit and the spell check doesn't work. It works fine on my 32bit system though :(. Ubuntu 12.04
[14:31] <B0g4r7> Jef, did you let it download and install the language packs to wanted to at install time?
[14:31] <B0g4r7> s/to/it/
[14:32] <shaneo> hey guys im trying to allow apache2 to use cgi. Where might i find srm.conf?
[14:32] <Lil> Ok guys. I have a wierd problem. I have an ubuntu and windows machine in my network, with samba setup. When transfering files it is extremely slow (180KB/s), however.. If I just upload the file via. FTP i get 6-8MB/s... what the hell could be causing the regular transfers to be so slow?
[14:32] <animus123> ThinkT510:actually i have jre .but i just wanted to do some experiment on converting .rpm jre package to .deb java.hence.
[14:32] <Jef91> No B0g4r7
[14:32] <Jef91> I just did sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> Lil:  transfers slow both ways?
[14:32] <Jef91> just like on my 32bit system
[14:32] <roasted> Dr_Willis: I wonder if I should just reboot it and hope for the best? I'm SSH'd in and tailing syslog and seeing nothing.
[14:32] <x-ip>  Lil i would suspect about machine name resolution
[14:33] <animus123> ThinkT510:that ,the converted package does really install or not?hence i asked.
[14:33] <Lil> Yes, both ways.
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  dident you bet your car this would be no problem? ;)   I have no idea honestly. I tend to do clean installs.
[14:33] <B0g4r7> Jef91, Yeah, you might try that.  Open the "Language Support" control panel thing and see if it asks to install them.
[14:33] <viddy> roasted: just check top/ps to figure out if its doing anything :i
[14:33] <roasted> Dr_Willis: yeah, but I have two cars, one being on its last leg. Guess I left out some info in that car bet. :P
[14:33] <ThinkT510> animus123: it might, but i would highly advise against it
[14:33] <Jef91> B0g4r7 any idea how to do it via the command line? I installed from a minimal CD
[14:34] <Lil> x-ip; Not totally sure what you mean by "machine name resolution" ?
[14:34] <galaxy> hello
[14:34] <galaxy> jest ktoś ?
[14:34] <Lil> When I connect via. FTP tho.. i'm using the direct local IP
[14:34] <animus123> ThinkT510:okkkkk!!
[14:34] <B0g4r7> animus123, I would recommend you just get the binary JRE installer from oracle.com rather than trying to use an rpm.
[14:34] <x-ip> Lil, when you share something using samba, you use machine names to connect to a resource
[14:34] <B0g4r7> Jef91, I'm afraid I don't.
[14:35] <galaxy> jak zmienić wygląd na zwykły ubuntu ?
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> animus123:  theres manyu other ways to install java. theres ppa's and some scripts out to help.
[14:35] <DJones> !pl | galaxy
[14:35] <B0g4r7> It's probably some pagkage name alias you'd "install" with apt.
[14:35] <galaxy> #ubuntu.pl
[14:35] <galaxy> dobra
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> animus123:  point is. You defainatly dont want to use a java RPM ;)
[14:36] <roasted> Is there a way to gently reboot Linux without using the "do what I tell you" sudo style? I ask in reference to this... I want to reboot it, but if it's still running the upgrade process, I don't want to sudo it to force it. If I can get it to reboot IF its idle, that'd be nice... Any ideas anybody?
[14:36] <animus123> Dr_Willis:ofcourse!! but i already said,i have java in my laptop.i just wanted to do that experiment.that's all.
[14:37] <jb__> #linucmce
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  id check the htop/ps  output . and see whats running.   its possible the upgrade tool is showing some dialog/yes/no thing you are somehow not seeing.
[14:37] <animus123> Dr_willis:i have java and installed it from tar.gz package.and also eclipse package...
[14:38] <roasted> Dr_Willis: only PS output is tail, ps, bash. That's it.
[14:38] <roasted> Dr_Willis: htop is not installed, installing quick.
[14:38] <Lil> anyone? :/
[14:38] <shaneo> could someone please assist me with finding srm.conf for apache2
[14:39] <shaneo> so that i may enable cgi on my web server
[14:39] <roasted> Dr_Willis: htop reveals a lot of "/usr/bin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon" entries.
[14:39] <indigoferal> Lil, plz repeat again oyour ?
[14:39] <indigoferal> * your
[14:39] <Lil> I have an ubuntu and windows machine in my network, with samba setup. When transfering files it is extremely slow (180KB/s), however.. If I just upload the file via. FTP i get 6-8MB/s... what the hell could be causing the regular transfers to be so slow?
[14:41] <Hachya> Lil: you don't have a limit for the bandwidth being used via the file sharing server?
[14:41] <Lil> No, I don't think so.. and that doesn't really make sense, why would it be so much quicker via. FTP if that were the case?
[14:41] <Hachya> like each server should have some ratelimiter of sorts, which is the first place I'd look, like max rate, w/e
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> roasted:  no mention of 'dialog' in ps output eh?  how brave do you feel? ;)
[14:42] <Hachya> well, like I said the only thing i can think is that one has a ratelimit set
[14:42] <Hachya> and the ftp doesn't....
[14:42] <roasted> Dr_Willis: nope, now I just see htop, htop, tail, bash, ps.
[14:42] <Lil> is there a way to limit the speed via. samba?
[14:43] <Hachya> Lil: I'm sure there's something I have messed with it though....
[14:43] <roasted> Dr_Willis: it'd be nice if there was a gentle shutdown, meaning... if it's in a dialog box waiting for user interaction, or in the middle of something it can't interrupt, then it cancels the shutdown/reboot..............
[14:43] <roasted> Dr_Willis: bingo. the server is back to login screen, CLI styule.
[14:44] <inseparables> bonjours
[14:44] <roasted> Dr_Willis: just going to reboot, says reboot required...
[14:44] <Lil> Hachya: I will keep looking around. Thanks for trying..
[14:44] <animus123> B0g4r7:thanks friend....
[14:47] <roasted> Dr_Willis: boot screen looks like it'll enduce a seizure - constant flashing, no movement. Nice :D
[14:47] <animus123> Dr_willis:hey would you solve my one more problem?
[14:48] <animus123> Dr_Willis::hey would you solve my one more problem?
[14:49] <ThinkT510> animus123: he can't if you don't say what the problem is
[14:50] <animus123> ThinkT510:i have a laptop.which has sis built in graphic card.so i downloaded the driver for sis. & it provided the specific resolution suitable for my laptop.but when i started to shutdown my laptop,instead of shut down splash screen a different colors of strips was appearing.it looks so weird.hence please help.
[14:50] <Lil> Hachya, after a little more testing.. its only really slow when writing to the samba server
[14:51] <ThinkT510> animus123: i've never used sis graphics sorry
[14:51] <roasted> Dr_Willis: took forever to start up, but I have a GUI :D
[14:52] <Hachya> Lil: odd....
[14:53] <animus123> ThinkT510:but atleast you heard this problem,didn't you?
[14:54] <indigoferal> animus123, i have the same problem with nvidia installed / not installed - am not sure so would also be happy to know what the solution is :-)
[14:54] <ikono> how do i get wireless to work with an acer travelmate 5320? (12.04)
[14:54] <auronandace> animus123: its harmless
[14:55] <francisco123> hola
[14:55] <indigoferal> could be that nosplash is selected and the boot up process is confused / or viceversa "splash enabled"
[14:55] <indigoferal> ikonia, more details of which version of linux and what exactly is not working
[14:55] <indigoferal> * ikono i mean
[14:55] <animus123> auronandace:yes!! it is harmless!! but it look so weird friend.hence
[14:55] <ikono> indigoferal: ubuntu 12.04
[14:55] <ikono> wireless is not working, at all
[14:56] <ikono> i have BC4311
[14:56] <animus123> indigoferal:then!! did you solve this problem??
[14:57] <indigoferal> animus123, nope, that was / is a minor problem in a the dark shadow or a major fatal error problem
[14:57] <indigoferal> will only know if that persists when i do a clean install coming monday so won;t be able to tell you till then
[14:58] <indigoferal> ikono - does the acer have an hardware lock- also what exactly is not working with the wifi ?
[14:58] <ikono> hardware lock? do you mean wifi-button?
[14:59] <ikono> it's not recognized by the network manager. at all. only wired and mobile broadband is working.
[15:00] <ikono> and when i press the wifi button on the laptop, the LED doesn't light up.
[15:01] <indigoferal> check in system settings for restricted drivers
[15:02] <ikono> they're activated
[15:02] <ikono> STA
[15:02] <Onixs> its more of a soft-switch
[15:02] <ikono> soft-switch? :)
[15:02] <AdvoWork> hi there, ive got an external USB hd that isn't being detected, any idea how I can get it back/fix it?
[15:03] <catcher> Hello, I'm experiencing a known bug in Unity/compiz (application switcher segfaults). I'm seeing that there are fixes in a couple branches, but I'm not sure how to switch to them. Also, I'd like Ubuntu Update Manager to still work on my Unity. How can I make this work?
[15:03] <Onixs> Is that HP?
[15:03] <animus123> indigoferal:well i just made conversation with one of the xorg fellow!!! and he said,whatever the problem you facing that's not comes in xorg.is that right?
[15:03] <indigoferal> ikono , is it now working ??
[15:03] <ikono> indigoferal: what do you mean?
[15:04] <francisco123> alguien que hable spanish
[15:04] <Onixs> ikono HP?
[15:04] <ikono> acer travelmate 5320
[15:04] <ikono> the chipset is broadcom, BC4311
[15:05] <indigoferal> animus123, interesting - thats my take too - the problem emanates from /home but xorg is confused and crashes the system - so it may not be an xorg problem but is certainly a problem they get affected by - but they have no solution - which actually is now seeming far more simpler than the xorg reconfigure thingys
[15:05] <indigoferal> iknono - do you have functional internet ?
[15:05] <indigoferal> if so check synaptic for the driver and see if some drivers need to be installed ?
[15:06] <Onixs> ikono soft-switch is software driven
[15:06] <DJones> !es | francisco123
[15:06] <indigoferal> problem with vanilla ubuntu is that sometimes restricted driver don't come easily
[15:06] <roasted> Hello! Upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04...now I can't log in. Just flips right back to the login screen. Any ideas?
[15:06] <ikono> indigoferal: i have the drivers presented in synaptic
[15:06] <ikono> installed. still, no luck.
[15:07] <in^> how do I get a 2d session using vncserver?
[15:07] <ikono> bc-fwcutter, firmware-b43 etc.
[15:07] <indigoferal> hmm, you will have to wait a bit i gtg will be back soon
[15:07] <in^> i get a desktop, menus or launch bar
[15:07] <in^> *no menus or launch bar
[15:07] <indigoferal> but meanwhile google on ow to enable the driver - am sure this is a common problem
[15:09] <animus123> indigoferal:do you know expert.who can solve this problem??
[15:09] <in^> how do I get a 2d session on 11.10 using vncserver?
[15:09] <in^> i get a desktop, but no menus or launch bar
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> in^:  depending on how you start the vnc server. you can tell it exactly what desktop to load.
[15:13] <in^> @Dr_Willis: using command line vncserver :2,  is it something in ~/.vnc/xstartup?
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> i always tend to use the most minimal window manager/desktop i can for vnc.
[15:13] <thiebaude> animus123, maybe ask here, http://askubuntu.com/
[15:14] <animus123> thiebaude:okk thanks..
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> in^:  that script is ran by default to run the desktop. if thers some error. have the xstartup script just launch a terminal at the end. and try running the  destkop from that terminal to look for errors
[15:14] <thiebaude> your welcomed
[15:14] <thiebaude> animus123,
[15:14] <animus123> thiebaude:well, do you facing same problem?
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> in^:  and be sure you are not spawning more and more vnc servers by mistake. :) kill the ones you dont need
[15:15] <thiebaude> animus123, no, I don't have that problem
[15:15] <in^> Dr_Willis: I am killing in between sessions... so once the terminal is up try gnome-session from command line?
[15:16] <Berto> quick crapshoot - what's the best/easiest video editor for Ubuntu 12?
[15:16] <Dr_Willis> in^: im not sure what the correct command is for unity, unity2d, or gnome0-shell
[15:16] <thiebaude> animus123, where did you install your graphics driver from?
[15:16] <Berto> Just need to mix a few videos from ipad, add a watermark, and splice in a couple of screens with text
[15:16] <in^> Dr_Willis: thanks
[15:16] <Dr_Willis> Exec=gnome-session --session=ubuntu
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> seems to be in the ubuntu.desktop file.. so im guessign the command would be 'gnome-session --session=ubuntu'
[15:17] <animus123> thiebaude:to usr/lib/xorg/modules/driver..and xord file :root/etc/x11
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d
[15:17] <thiebaude> animus123, i mean did your download from a website?
[15:17] <compdoc> in^, its all in how you setup your .vnc/xstart   file
[15:18] <Dr_Willis> i tend to just use icewm, or jwm, or some other minimal setup for VNC
[15:19] <animus123> thiebaude:just wait a sec!!
[15:19] <thiebaude> ok
[15:21] <animus123> thiebaude:sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sis
[15:21] <pb> guys a little vague and probably incorrect wording. but what is the common problem ubuntu users see when booting, dealing with the encryption mounting
[15:22] <pb> figured id ask before I restarted and wrote it down personally
[15:22] <animus123> thiebaude:why do you want that website?
[15:22] <pb> unable to mount. waite skip or mount manually
[15:23] <thiebaude> animus123, just wondering .
[15:23] <animus123> thiebaude:since you don't have that problem!!
[15:23] <ccowan> Is there an applicaton framework like PhoneGap for Linux Desktop applications? I know this sounds like a weird question but I'm a web developer and there are a few applications I would like to create that would fit better in a desktop model then in a browser.
[15:23] <thiebaude> animus123, did you look in Additional Drivers to see if your driver was there?
[15:23] <pb> dev/mapper/cryptswap..
[15:23] <pb> found it.
[15:24] <erik__> favorite program minitube still nog working on 12.04 but did fine on 11.10 (on 4 different machines). Also video editing nog working in 12.04. I thing i am going back to 11.10. Anybody else experience the same?
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> 'video editing' works here.. ;) but i imagine it depends on your app.
[15:25] <animus123> thiebaude:yup!! i looked.but no drivers available!
[15:25] <thiebaude> ok
[15:25] <leoleon> hello, i´m trying to install ubuntu server 12 but i cannot do it because during the installation its appering a blue or purple display
[15:26] <nishttal2> hi.. my program uses several libs (.so) files that are in my home directory.. i am able to build fine by telling the make file to look at the folder for libs.. but when I try to run its complaining that it couldnt find the libs.. do I HAVE to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or is there another way?
[15:26] <animus123> thiebaude:actually the main problem is that,sis never provide drivers for linux?it only supports to windows not linux...hence
[15:26] <erik__> Dr_Willis, tried all the programs including openshot, but all crash after 10 minutes or earlyer. On 4 different machines, 2 with ubuntu en 2 with xubuntu 12.04. There suppose to be a bug in Gstreamer?
[15:27] <thiebaude> animus123, i heard a few yrs back that it was hard to get a driver for that card, i seen that somewhere back then
[15:27] <ccowan> Looks like App.js fits the bill
[15:27] <animus123> thiebaude:yes!!! very hopeless card that is!!
[15:28] <thiebaude> animus123, thats the only problem is when you log out?
[15:29] <animus123> thiebaude:did you ever use windows?
[15:29] <thiebaude> animus123, for a long time, i still dual boot with win 7
[15:29] <thiebaude> since dos,lol
[15:30] <animus123> thiebaude:i left windows,nearly 3 month before1
[15:31] <animus123> thiebaude:ubuntu is best in everything??
[15:31] <thiebaude> animus123, i agree
[15:31] <animus123> thiebaude:which version of ubuntu you are using?
[15:31] <thiebaude> 12.04
[15:32] <animus123> thiebaude:wow!! i too!!
[15:32] <animus123> thiebaude:unity interface is awesome!!
[15:33] <thiebaude> actually i use unity
[15:35] <animus123> thiebaude:would please tell me which graphic card driver your are using?
[15:35] <thiebaude> animus123, you want to go to #ubuntu-offtopic so we can talk?
[15:35] <thiebaude> animus123, on the desktop i use nvidia, on the laptop i use amd
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> erik__:  sounds like you got some deeper issues going on.  ive messed with Openshot a lot and never crashed.
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> bbl.
[15:36] <animus123> thiebaude:okkk
[15:36] <ken__> quick question if I may, the other day I had a problem with the screen blinking out suddenly and not coming back up, kept doing this except in windows, when I was able to boot into ubuntu I qucikly check fglrx info and it gave me command not found, I checked extra drivers and none were activated so I activated one of them and got catalyst, now there is staying power for the monitor, however when I checked fglrxinfo it gave me a screen:0 and dis
[15:36] <ken__> play: 0 what does that mean.
[15:37] <erik__> Dr_Willis, how would that be possible on 4 different machines?
[15:37] <ken__> and why did it affect everything else like live cds and text screens etc
[15:37] <ken__> except windows
[15:38] <root_939> hi
[15:38] <erik__> Dr_Willis: did you also use openshot on 12.04, because on 11.10 i had no problems
[15:40] <roasted> What exactly does "initramfs" mean? I'm working on an LTSP server and when the clients boot, they grab an IP and boot fine via PXE, but then they end up @ initramfs...
[15:41] <Azerus>  Hey, I have a 3TB drive that I am trying to create a partition using GPT on Ubuntu 8.04, can anyone assist me? It's not letting me create the partition with the remaining free space, it always leaves 2TB unallocated.
[15:41] <islandmonkey> roasted: I believe it is used by the kernel to start up init (the mother of all processes).
[15:41] <roasted> islandmonkey: hmm, I wonder what on earth is happening then.
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> roasted  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Initramfs
[15:41] <guiltyundertaker> Are there any software related limitations to Lubuntu as compared to Ubuntu?:)
[15:41] <gitesh> Can I have 3 OS on a system? How do I make free space from ubuntu-server 12.04?
[15:41] <roasted> MonkeyDust: whoa, first line - specifies 2.6 kernel series. What about 3.X kernel series?
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> guiltyundertaker  no, lubuntu is ubuntu with a different jacket
[15:42] <guiltyundertaker> Thanks MonkeyDust!
[15:42] <ken__> has anyone checked out zorin os
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> roasted  i guess you should read: "as of the 2.6 series"
[15:42] <ken__> its an Ubuntu derivative from Ireland
[15:42] <roasted> MonkeyDust: oh :/
[15:43] <islandmonkey> ken__: Yes I have. It's okayish.
[15:43] <roasted> MonkeyDust: just found out NBD was not running. I think NBD is related to LTSP functioning...
[15:43] <MonkeyDust> ken__  there's the channel #zorinos
[15:43] <DJones> ken__: I think Zorin OS has its own IRC channel
[15:43] <ken__> yes I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 Unity
[15:43] <ken__> I just heard of zorin os
[15:44] <ken__> anyway even though I activated fglrx the gui says it is unactived still maybe a bug, and fglrxinfo gives me screen 0 and display 0 is that normal
[15:45] <roasted> MonkeyDust: that was it. bingo. NBD wasnt running.
[15:51] <roasted> Question - I upgraded to 12.04 from 10.04, and the login screen is flickering like a disco ball. Anybody else ever see that?
[15:58] <islandmonkey> !nomodeset | roasted
[15:58] <jrgp> is tehre a default root/ubuntu user password on the precise livecd? i installed ssh but like a tard i forgot to set the root password and i want to ssh into it and i dont have physical access to the machine right now
[15:59] <killer> on running cod i get (under wine) "fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x21cf670,0x00000000), stub!"
[16:03] <glitsj16> jrgp: livecd uses 'ubuntu' as username with a blank password i believe
[16:05] <exutux> hey guys do you know why gwibber doesn't show private message that i receive on facebboK?
[16:06] <gitesh> Hi
[16:06] <gitesh> Is there any way not to start network configuration automatically while booting up?
[16:07] <gitesh> I am with ubuntu server 12.04 LTS
[16:08] <Moogs> hey ahas anyone solved the spideroak challenge today? https://sotss.spideroak.com/ .. i was needing help
[16:09] <jragon> Flash videos start playing at 10x speed, then arround 2 minutes in they slow back down to normal. I'm using chrome.
[16:15] <killer> hi...how do i enable s3tc in driconf?
[16:19] <leoleon> i installed ubuntu on virtualbox but i cant connect on internet, what do i need to do?
[16:20] <leoleon> i installed ubuntu on virtualbox but i cant connect on internet, what do i need to do?
[16:20] <leoleon> help me
[16:21] <auronandace> leoleon: virtualbox should take care of it automatically
[16:21] <auronandace> leoleon: you shouldn't need to take care of anything
[16:21] <leoleon> yes, but how can i use internet?
[16:22] <LoT> .
[16:22] <nik> hello
[16:22] <jragon> Flash videos start playing at 10x speed, then arround 2 minutes in they slow back down to normal. I'm using chrome, on firefox it works fine
[16:22] <auronandace> leoleon: what do you mean? just open a browser
[16:23] <kyle__> Does anyone know what the rational was for moving from vinarge to remmina in 12.04?
[16:24] <leoleon> yes, i did it but it´s loading and never connect to any website
[16:24] <auronandace> leoleon: does the host os have access to the internet?
[16:25] <leoleon> yes, I am connecting with my anfitrion machine
[16:25] <OerHeks> kyle__, much better software > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/remmina-to-be-ubuntus-new-remote-desktop-app
[16:25] <leoleon> auronandace: yes, I am connecting with my anfitrion machine
[16:26] <auronandace> leoleon: i have no idea what anfitrion is
[16:26] <kyle__> OerHeks: Really?  Because it seems piss poor at figuring out how to scale and how to build the window so it's actually, you know, ON the screen, instead of half off of it.
[16:27] <leoleon> auronandace: it´s the machine where I installed virtualBox
[16:27] <kyle__> OerHeks: vinarge had a few ugly regressions awhile ago that gave it slow screen refreshes, but I thought those were fixed.
[16:27] <OerHeks> kyle__, Vinagre poor scaling performance was the most common issue.
[16:27] <MCl0vin> can someone please help me , i keep getting crash everytime i try to do something
[16:28] <ubuntuhelp_> hello, i am having problems. i had recently installed ubuntu 12.04 on my windows 7 system via livecd, however now i cannot boot up into it, says grub disk boot error with uuid.
[16:28] <codingman> MCl0vin: probably a reinstall is necessary
[16:28] <kyle__> OerHeks: I recall that.  Maybe it's just the interface layout needs (massive) fixing on this one.  But the fact that there's no checkbox to scale by default, and it requires me to manually scale the remote screen to make it fit right is aggravating.
[16:28] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: define something
[16:29] <ubuntuhelp_> i tried boot repair and it gives me the same issue and now windows will not load as well
[16:29] <MCl0vin> codingman, done that 3 times already
[16:29] <obakfahad> :)
[16:29] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, as my laptop boots
[16:29] <leoleon> auronandace:I installed virtualBox on  Windows 7 and the internet works but ubuntu doesn´t work because morzilla cant open any website
[16:29] <codingman> MCl0vin: same disk?
[16:30] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: you could be a little more descriptive
[16:30] <MCl0vin> codingman, yes, but i didn't had this issue with 10.04
[16:30] <ThinkT510> !nomodeset | MCl0vin
[16:30] <ubuntuhelp_> Can someone please help me?
[16:31] <LoT> !HELP | ubuntuhelp_
[16:31] <ubuntuhelp_> sorry.
[16:31] <indigoferal> ubuntuhelp_,  someone may not be here
[16:32] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, sorry , yes every time i start my pavilion dv7 hp laptop , and i am running 12.04 . i get the crash report detected and every time its for a different thing
[16:32] <bgamari> Is anyone from Canonical's Certification services in the house?
[16:33] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, " sorry, ubuntu 12.04 has experienced an internal error"
[16:33] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: a different thing each time?
[16:33] <leoleon> auronandace:I installed virtualBox on  Windows 7 and the internet works but ubuntu doesn´t work because morzilla cant open any website
[16:34] <leoleon> I installed virtualBox on  Windows 7 and the internet works but ubuntu doesn´t work because morzilla cant open any website
[16:34] <auronandace> leoleon: i've never had a problem in virtualbox, what network card are you using?
[16:34] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, right now as i am "trying' to explain to you my issue , i got it " /usr/lib/telepathy"
[16:35] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i can't recall every incidence :) sorry
[16:35] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: hmm, how are you installing ubuntu?
[16:35] <killer> how 2 enable s3tc in intel graphics
[16:36] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, DVD/usb , and i tried 3 times , different media
[16:36] <MCl0vin> yes every time i check the md5
[16:37] <MCl0vin> now i go the application Compiz has closed unexpectedly
[16:37] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: ah, read my mind :)
[16:38] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: so you actually can boot?
[16:38] <whoever> hi all i am trying to hide the keyboard icon since i have created shortcut keys can someone assist ?
[16:38] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i am chatting with you from the laptop
[16:39] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: ok, what have you installed? any ppas?
[16:39] <leoleon> auronandace: where can i see that
[16:39] <whoever>  i have trid gcon.editor>gnome setting"> keyboard disable
[16:39] <whoever> and no luck
[16:39] <auronandace> leoleon: in the vm settings
[16:40] <alice> \server irc.rizon.net
[16:40] <auronandace> leoleon: the default should work fine though
[16:41] <indigoferal> whoever, where is your keyboard icon
[16:41] <whoever> indigoferal: taskbar by the clock
[16:42] <indigoferal> whoever, if its on the tool bar , just rightl click on it and say quit
[16:42] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, http://pastebin.com/bZSMEThT
[16:42] <Kamran> hi there
[16:42] <indigoferal> i mean remove
[16:42] <roasted> I'm running dual NICs on my server - eth0 and eth1 - I'm finding eth0 is being a brat. The network configs are IDENTICAL (except, of course, different IP) but eth0 is non-pingable and non-SSHable while eth1 is fine. If I do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, it comes back with failed to bring up eth0 - yet ifconfig still shows eth0 existent....
[16:43] <indigoferal> what DE are you using - most have a way of enabling panel options / disabling of apps inside the panel
[16:43] <leoleon> ubuntu shows me a message that says: wired network disconnected
[16:43] <kyle__> roasted: existant and working are different animals.  How did you configure them?
[16:43] <roasted> kyle__: through /etc/network/interfaces.network manager is disabled.
[16:43] <whoever> indigoferal: i tried that and there isn't a quit option just my layouts, show keymap, and show keyboard options
[16:44] <indigoferal> yes, am seeing that - just a sec will tell you how
[16:44] <leoleon> auronandace:ubuntu shows me a message that says: wired network disconnected
[16:44] <kyle__> roasted: Good.  Network manager is a peice of s***.  pastebin your interfaces
[16:44] <whoever> indigoferal: and there is not an option to not show the icon under options
[16:44] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: so any ppas?
[16:45] <whoever> indigoferal: it is 12.04 if that matters for any reason
[16:45] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, not familiar with what ppas
[16:45] <MCl0vin> sorry
[16:45] <MCl0vin> !ppas
[16:45] <roasted> kyle__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1114098/
[16:45] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: did you only install from the repos?
[16:45] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, yes sir
[16:45] <ubuntuhelp_> Hello, I am having problems booting Ubuntu 12.04 after installing LiveCD, It would boot straight into windows 7. After running LiveCD in Trial mode I ran Boot-Repair I am now running issues will not start up Windows 7 and gives me error unknown file system rescue grub, does anyone know how to fix???
[16:46] <roasted> kyle__: this server is an LTSP server. I just upgraded it to 12.04. LTSP works fine. The LTSP clients on the 17 network are fine, 18 network are fine. The problem is, 17 doesn't get any external connection for some reason. If I ifconfig eth1 down (taking 18 offline) the 17 network gets 0 outbound access.
[16:46] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: so you haven't added any software from outside the repos?
[16:46] <roasted> kyle__: it's as if the 17 network relies on 18.1 for its gateway, even though the 17 network has its own gateway to work from....
[16:46] <indigoferal> no which Desktop environment - Cinnamon, mate, kde xfce etx, yes it matters because each have a diffeent way of managing the panel
[16:46] <kyle__> roasted: Does the 18 interface need a gateway?
[16:47] <kyle__> roasted: I think it's trying to give you two default gateways.  Try commenting out one of them, and restart the networking.
[16:47] <roasted> kyle__: 17.2 is in its own 48 port switch. 18.2 is in its own 48 port switch. each switch is 17.1 and 18.1 respectively.
[16:47] <indigoferal> Go to cinnamon settings there you will find the option to turn keyboard off
[16:47] <roasted> kyle__: the switches are segregated so the traffic between the two labs (aka the two switches) doesn't cross... mostly for balance.
[16:47]  * kyle__ nods
[16:47] <indigoferal> Cinnamon settings - applets
[16:48] <roasted> kyle__: so you believe despite two  nics and despite two switches... 1 gw?
[16:48] <kyle__> roasted: I had two nics on my LTSP server, but only one of them was doing ltsp.  Sadly I wiped it the other day.  Trying to find the interfaces file
[16:48] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i don't really think so, but how can i make sure
[16:48] <ThinkT510> indigoferal: cinnamon and mate are not supported on ubuntu
[16:48] <whoever> indigoferal: gnome unity
[16:48] <kyle__> roasted: Yes.  Remember the gateway is only necessary for traffic outside of your local subnet (at least with the netmasks you provided)
[16:48] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: checking your sources list
[16:48] <indigoferal> oops ?
[16:49] <roasted> kyle__: I commented out 18.1 Gw in the interfaces file... pinging 17.2 and 18.2... both failing...
[16:49] <kyle__> O_o
[16:49] <roasted> kyle__: and yes I restarted the network service.
[16:49] <kyle__> both failing now?
[16:49] <roasted> 17 was failing originally all along
[16:49] <roasted> I took 18.1 out, which 17 was relying on
[16:49] <roasted> let me reverse it... disable 17, open 18. I bet it works.
[16:49] <kyle__> roasted: Are you doing ping <ip addr> or ping -I eth0 <ip addr>
[16:50] <roasted> kyle__: I'm pinging from my laptop via two terminal windows.
[16:50] <whoever> indigoferal: talkin to me ? 'oops'
[16:50] <kyle__> roasted: Ah ok.
[16:50] <roasted> kyle__: commented 17.1 gateway. 17 still does not work. 18 now works.
[16:50] <roasted> kyle__: 17 never worked though...
[16:50] <indigoferal> yes, solution given but for the wrong DE
[16:50] <roasted> kyle__: whether or not the 17 gateway is commented.... still never worked. moot action it seems.
[16:51] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: can you pastebin your: /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:51] <cmake> how much does it cost to become posix compliant certified.
[16:51] <kyle__> fsck.  I didn't back up /etc/network before I whiped it.
[16:51] <cmake> for a command or an os
[16:51] <kyle__> roasted: What happens if you manually config the interfaces?
[16:51] <roasted> kyle__: I wonder if these switches are configured properly to work in the way I want them to.
[16:51] <roasted> kyle__: er... am I not manually configuring them?
[16:51] <bgamari> Is anyone from Canonical's Certification services in the house? (sorry for the repeat, internet died)
[16:52] <kyle__> roasted: Not really.  Try configuring them with ifconfig or ip from the command line :)
[16:52] <OerHeks> cmake, nothing, this is ubuntu support only.
[16:52] <kyle__> Back like real men did before my beard turned white. ;)
[16:52] <roasted> kyle__: not entirely sure I follow. I was just doing sudo nano to the interfaces file.... *shrug*
[16:52] <roasted> kyle__: are you talking the switches, though
[16:53] <kyle__> roasted: its reading your config file and configuring the network for you.  I mean really do it yourself
[16:53] <kyle__> roasted: ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:53] <roasted> kyle__: gotcha
[16:54] <csilk> Using 12.04 on a Samsung laptop. Changing the brightness makes the scree flicker constantly and locks UI up. I tried to report the bug via ubuntu-bug but it tells me that I need to seek support first.
[16:54] <MonkeyDust> bgamari  on ubuntu.com, below, you find how to  contact canonical
[16:54] <csilk> *screen
[16:54] <roasted> kyle__: k, ran that as root. still unable to ping (tho I didnt reboot net service). I assume that's needed?
[16:54] <Hfuy> Hello.
[16:54] <roasted> kyle__: or do I need to run through the whole sha-bang of netmask, etc?
[16:54] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, http://pastebin.com/UKuNngNT
[16:54] <Hfuy> I am now coming from you live and direct from a Ubuntu flash key via the freenode web chat because there is no IRC client.
[16:54]  * Hfuy taps the mic
[16:55] <trijntje> is there a way to view the grub kernel parameters the currently running system was started with?
[16:55] <Hfuy> Is this thing on?
[16:55] <kyle__> roasted: No you dont' need to restart networking... yes but in the netmask adn such.  Just to make sure
[16:55] <roasted> kyle__: also, I AM running dhcp on this box... not sure if the dhcp config matters in this situation. I would GUESS I'd only be working with the interfaces file anyway.
[16:55] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: yeah, thats fairly standard
[16:55] <roasted> kyle__: sudo ifconfig eth0 netmask <IP_ADDRESS>                ???
[16:55] <kyle__> roasted: dhcp is pretty resilliant.  It shouldn't care
[16:55] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: are you using xfce or unity?
[16:56] <kyle__> roasted: Yup.
[16:56] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, xfce
[16:56] <roasted> still no dice
[16:56] <MCl0vin> i don't like unity
[16:56] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: good choice, my favourite
[16:56] <kyle__> roasted: What does netstat -rn tell you?
[16:56] <roasted> kyle__: I'm trying to troubleshoot/configure this tot he point where I can definitively say the switch is not configured properly.
[16:56] <roasted> kyle__: I don't have access to the switch... so I can't fix that part, but if I'm going to blame it on that, I want to be positive.
[16:57] <roasted> kyle__: sec.
[16:57] <glitsj16> csilk: are you by any chance running packages from the 'Linux On My Samsung' PPA? If not, might be worth a look, works 100% here for some time now
[16:57] <kyle__> roasted: OK.
[16:57] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: you using compiz with xfce?
[16:57] <Hfuy> Why would it know what the MAC address of the ethernet hardware was, but not be able to detect a connected cable?
[16:57] <roasted> kyle__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1114126/
[16:57] <csilk> glebihan, used to, this is a clean install now. Those packages never worked for me anyway.
[16:57] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i don't even know what compiz is :)
[16:57] <Hfuy> Oh. Er, oops.
[16:57] <MCl0vin> !compiz
[16:57]  * Hfuy plugs the cable in, looking a bit sheepish
[16:58] <csilk> glitsj16,  used to, this is a clean install now. Those packages never worked for me anyway.
[16:58] <roasted> kyle__: I'm not seeing 17.1 there... should I be?
[16:58] <Hfuy> Well, this is amazing. Linux, on my laptop, with no prep, and everything seems to work!
[16:58] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, also i have a blue film on top of my video s
[16:58] <MonkeyDust> !yay| Hfuy
[16:58] <kyle__> roasted: If that was the interface you left a default route on, yes.
[16:58] <Hfuy> Can I get skype
[16:58] <MCl0vin> i.e. youtube
[16:58] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: what is the output of: ps aux | grep comp
[16:58] <roasted> kyle__: soo... are you suggesting I SHOULD be seeing 17.1 AND 18.1 there?
[16:59] <Hfuy> MonkeyDust: don't get too excited. I still don't have an IRC client, and I don't think the bluetooth is working.
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  yes, but it's third party, you have to activate the partner repo
[16:59] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: the blue tint is a flash issue, change the settings for hardware accelleration
[16:59] <Hfuy> I also had to go through an irritating, pointless bit of shenanigans to get the wireless ethernet to work, too, as it seems Broadcom provide a binary driver.
[16:59] <kyle__> roasted: Only one should be the default gateway.  If there is more than one, one should be default,a nd the other should be restricted to the other network.
[16:59] <Hfuy> I don't care about this, but it made me go through shenanigans anyway.
[16:59] <csilk> glitsj16,  I can't find the ppa to add?
[16:59] <glitsj16> csilk: too bad, perhaps it's worth another shot as there have been some changes and more machines supported for precise
[16:59] <Hfuy> I don't suppose "apt-get install skype" is going to get me very far, eh?
[16:59] <kyle__> roasted: That said, if they're up at all, even without a gateway _any_ gateway, things on the 18 and 17 networks should be able to ping those interfaces
[17:00] <roasted> kyle__: maybe instead of using <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>, I should have the REAL default network gateway? which I think is <IP_ADDRESS>..... or is that incorrect?
[17:00] <ThinkT510> !skype | Hfuy
[17:00] <csilk> glitsj16, what's the ppa address I should add ?
[17:00] <kyle__> Hfuy: Probably not.  YOu need to download it from their site.
[17:00] <kyle__> Thanks ubottu
[17:00] <kyle__> !cookie
[17:00] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  it will, after you activate its source, the partner repo
[17:00] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, http://pastebin.com/hV4GkRF3
[17:00] <glitsj16> csilk: https://launchpad.net/~voria/+archive/ppa .. that page has a link to the user forum on it
[17:00] <roasted> kyle__: yeah <IP_ADDRESS> is the entire network gateway....
[17:00] <kyle__> roasted: Yes.  The real one would be useful.  Then iut should also be the only one.
[17:00] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: yeah, looks like compiz is running
[17:00] <Hfuy> I assume there is an IRC client of some kind for linux. No wait, it's IRC, there'll be two hundred.
[17:01] <roasted> kyle__: should that gateway be listed twice, under each interface in the interfaces file?
[17:01] <kyle__> roasted: No, just once.
[17:01] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: you using any fancy settings? desktop cube or anything?
[17:01] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  xChat and irssi are the most popular IRC clients
[17:01] <roasted> kyle__: doesn't matter which interface?
[17:01] <Hfuy> MonkeyDust: apt-get install xchat gets me a "not found"
[17:01] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  try xchat-gnome
[17:01] <xyzodiac> Install irssi ;)
[17:01] <kyle__> roasted: Shouldn't.  It's the default, should be used for all.
[17:01] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, nope sir
[17:01] <roasted> kyle__: what about the dhcpd.conf which has entries for 18.1 and 17.1?
[17:01] <kyle__> irssi, inside a screen.  That's the way to do it.
[17:01] <Hfuy> irssi works.
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> great
[17:02] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: hmm, how about: ps aux | grep xfwm
[17:02] <Hfuy> Is this thing using a GL compositor for the desktop, by default? It tears.
[17:02] <kyle__> roasted: dhcp should be serving the real gateway as well.
[17:02] <xyzodiac> Kyle__: Without a doubt!
[17:02] <Hfuy> Whereas Aero didn't.
[17:02] <roasted> kyle__: k, let me give this a shot....
[17:02] <roasted> kyle__: appreciate your time
[17:02] <csilk> glitsj16, I'm still not clean what the ppa address is that I need to add. Is it the launchpad url?
[17:03] <kyle__> roasted: No problem.  Also, you know there's an ltsp channel on freenode where some of it's developers hang out, and will help you?
[17:03] <kyle__> roasted: I never would have gotten my funky fat-client setup working without them.
[17:03] <rkube> i am facing complete freeze in 12.04 LTS not even sysrq keys work.Any bugs already in ?
[17:04] <roasted> kyle__: yeah, they're a fantastic group of guys - but last I was in there there wasn't much traffic, so since I began to think this was a network/ubuntu issue, I came here
[17:04] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, nope , only return one line which is my grep command
[17:04] <bgamari> MonkeyDust: Sadly there is no email address
[17:04]  * MCl0vin need to go drop the cosby boys at the pool and come back!!
[17:04] <kyle__> roasted: Could be a summer issue, I think most of them work for school districts
[17:04] <roasted> kyle__: also, the entries in the dhcpd.conf file are option-routers- <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, etc... do I really need to put the external gateway there?
[17:04] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: in that case you are definitely running compiz of xfce
[17:04] <roasted> kyle__: as do I. ;)
[17:04] <usr13> Hfuy: xchat *should* be in the repositories.
[17:04] <Hfuy> Holy hell, even sound works!
[17:04] <glitsj16> csilk: no, you need the info posted on that page, 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:voria/ppa' .. it'll ask for confirmation (as a sidenote for ppa's knowledge of the ppa-purge command is always nice in case you want to easily downgrade later on or remove those)
[17:04] <Hfuy> Sound working OOB on Linux! That thud you just heard was my jaw hitting the floor!
[17:04] <roasted> kyle__: I guess I'm second guessing it because it says option-routers, and not "GATEWAY"
[17:04] <kyle__> roasted: Yes!  You need the real gateway there isntead of those.  you're not doing natting or routing through your ltsp box right?
[17:05] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: i find compiz rather buggy myself with xfce so that may be the cause of the crashes, difficult to say really
[17:05] <bgamari> MonkeyDust: The contact information is actually rather aenemic
[17:05] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, show me how i can turn it off please
[17:05] <roasted> kyle__: the two 48 port switches are plugged right into the core fiber switch. So if you're on an LTSP box, you hit the 48 port switch, then the gateway to hit youtube or whatever. Period.
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> bgamari  they probably don't want to be contacted directed, which is perfectly understandable, or everybody would write emails to ask where 'any key' is
[17:05] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: you could try using xfwm (xfce's default) instead
[17:05] <roasted> kyle__: we did that to minimize the amount of hops LTSP users would be doing since thin clients would likely benefit from less hops/cross traffic of other labs, laptops, etc.
[17:05] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: sure: xfwm4 --replace
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> directly*
[17:06] <Hfuy> Clock's an hour out.
[17:06] <rkube> i am facing complete freeze in 12.04 LTS not even sysrq keys work.Any known bugs?
[17:06] <kyle__> roasted: Yea.  Use the gateway where is says router.  That's what you want.
[17:06] <usr13> Hfuy: Did you select wrong time zone?
[17:06] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: when was the last time you used linux? the 90s?
[17:06] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, is that it
[17:06] <bgamari> MonkeyDust: Fine, but requiring anyone wanting to get in touch with a department other than sales to be a "partner" is a bit insane
[17:06] <h00k> rkube: I'd start with a memory test
[17:07] <Hfuy> I didn't select a time zone, so it defaulted to UTC. Since I'm about 40 miles from Greenwich it would have been right, except we're in summertime now.
[17:07] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: should be, did your window decorations change?
[17:07] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  kindly explore this new system, but don't tell us everything you do or don't find, we all had to learn it
[17:07] <usr13> Hfuy: tzselect
[17:07] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, yes
[17:07] <Hfuy> MonkeyDust: don't get too excited, I haven't tried closing the lid yet!
[17:07] <rkube> h00k:its all clean
[17:07] <roasted> kyle__: what is the correct command in 12.04? sudo service networking restart   ?
[17:08] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: there you go, your now using xfce's window manager
[17:08] <csilk> thanks glitsj16 , trying now
[17:08] <Hfuy> OK, seems likely bluetooth isn't going to work.
[17:08] <kyle__> roasted: I think so.  going the /etc/init.d/networking route makes it wine more than with other init files.
[17:08] <Hfuy> But in general: 8/10 for good effort to the penguin!
[17:08] <bgamari> MonkeyDust: The options are PR (which is exclusively for press inquiries, evidently), sales (which brings one to a broken form), or OEM services (which requires one to be a partner)
[17:08] <roasted> kyle__: gah, can't ping either interface now from my laptop
[17:09] <kyle__> roasted: But you could when you manually ran ifconfig?
[17:09] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, well, will give it a try for a day or two , i have added you to my "fav list" heheh
[17:09] <roasted> kyle__: is it possible that's how it's SUPPOSED to be? they're on 10.52.17.X and 10.52.18.X with <IP_ADDRESS> subnet. The main network that I'm on with my laptop is 10.52.X.X with <IP_ADDRESS> subnet
[17:09] <glitsj16> csilk: crossing fingers, no need to thank me, the dev did all the work
[17:09] <Hfuy> Why would it say "bluetooth is disabled" when this is not the case?
[17:09] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: glad to help :)
[17:09] <kyle__> roasted: I suppose, but I've always been able to ping the system.  Never tried it with 12.04 though.
[17:10] <kyle__> ltsp with 12.04 that is
[17:10] <roasted> kyle__: I wonder if I open the subnet to match <IP_ADDRESS> if it would hcange things
[17:10] <somnath> on my system can show some error
[17:10] <kyle__> Coudln't hurt.
[17:11] <Hfuy> It claimed to install irssi, but it doesn't seem to have put an icon for it anywhere.
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> bgamari  maybe here http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact
[17:11] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, you are not done yet :) i have few of them
[17:11] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: irssi is a terminal client
[17:11] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, doing an update and i got 'Replace your changes in '/etc/gnome/defaults.list' with a later version of the configuration file?"
[17:11] <Hfuy> ThinkT510: Ohh, I see. welcome back to the 1980s!
[17:11] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i also have two issue that are bugging me
[17:12] <bgamari> MonkeyDust: This is the page I was referring to sadly
[17:12] <Hfuy_irssi> Wow, it's like something out of the original Tron!
[17:12] <xyzodiac> Hfuy_irssi: "Welcome back to the 1980's" lol'd
[17:12] <usr13> roasted: That will only give you 31 IPs in your subnet.
[17:12] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i am using wireless to my wifi ... i LED in my laptop keeps blinking bule/Amber and its bugging me
[17:12] <roasted> kyle__: this networking restart command is bipolar as can be. I just set each subnet in the interfaces file to <IP_ADDRESS>, but only ONE of them caught on when I rebooted the service *facepalm*
[17:13] <roasted> kyle__: actually, correction - NONE changed with sudo service networking restart. If I did /etc/init.d/networking restart, ONE changed, the other interface did not.
[17:13] <xyzodiac> Terminal IRC clients are nice though, I can acess mine anywhere just with ssh.
[17:13] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: wifi works though?
[17:13] <Hfuy> I found something else that doesn't work - the keyboard screen brightness controls. They sorta-kinda work. The brightness flickers up and down rapidly. You can sort of control it, but it's buggy.
[17:13] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, yes
[17:13] <roasted> usr13: I just meant the IP's for the interfaces. The actual DHCP scope that Ubuntu is still running is left at <IP_ADDRESS>, giving me... eh... .5-.254 worth of a range that I have it set upt o be right now
[17:13] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, for the blue tint should i follow this http://askubuntu.com/questions/117127/flash-video-appears-blue/131040#131040
[17:14] <kyle__> roasted: That's just strange.  I'm wondering if it's something obvious about the interfaces file we're both missing.
[17:14] <Hfuy> Woooah! It mounted the NTFS boot disk!#
[17:14] <Hfuy> Is that by design?!
[17:14] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: i stay away from ppas
[17:14] <usr13> roasted: I misread anyway, you said <IP_ADDRESS>  I don't know how many that is...
[17:14] <genii-around> usr13: A lot
[17:14] <usr13> genii-around: Yea...
[17:15] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: just change the hardware acelleration settings in flash settings
[17:15] <kyle__> OK.  Strange.  the dhclient.conf file requests the hostname, domain name, and ntp server (among other things), but doesn't seem to be using any of it.
[17:15] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, not following you dude
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> howto fix that corrupt mouse pointer problem at first time boot?
[17:15] <roasted> kyle__: I don't know man. This is beyond frustrating... even more frustrating that I can't get access to the switches, so who knows if its the switch thats bad or what
[17:15] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: ntfs has had read/write support for years now
[17:15] <usr13> I guess it would be 7,874
[17:15] <roasted> kyle__: just rebooted the server - hanging @ waiting for network.......
[17:15] <Hfuy> ThinkT510: Yes, but this is slightly scary. It seems to be able to read all of the user areas on the laptop's boot disk, which is supposed to be protected.
[17:16] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: launch a flash vid, right click the vid and pick settings
[17:16] <kyle__> meep
[17:16] <kyle__> roasted: Ugh.
[17:16] <MonkeyDust> bgamari  below on that page, you find the address in London, you could write a letter
[17:16] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: what?
[17:16] <MonkeyDust> bgamari  or send a fax
[17:16] <pheonixash83> Hfuy: is taht a win7 or xp ntfs disk?
[17:16] <trijntje> is there a way to view the grub kernel parameters the currently running system was started with?
[17:16] <pheonixash83> that*
[17:16] <Hfuy> Win7
[17:17] <usr13> Hfuy: Win7, yea, slightly scary
[17:17] <Hfuy> It shouldn't, really, be offering me access to (what would be) C:\Users\Whoever
[17:17] <pheonixash83> by defualt the data is not encripted
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> i got a corrupt mouse pointer at boot, howto fix this? after a second reboot, its gone
[17:17] <usr13> Hfuy: WHy wouldn't it?
[17:17] <pheonixash83> just protected from system users
[17:17] <Hfuy> Also, where has it mounted this device? It isn't in /mnt
[17:17] <usr13> Hfuy: if you have the partition mounted, it's mounted.  That's it.
[17:18] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: unless windows encrypted it then anyone can access it from live media
[17:18] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, disable or enable acceleration
[17:18] <genii-around> usr13: 2046 , it works out to same as /21
[17:18] <usr13> Hfuy: mount
[17:18] <roasted> kyle__: we finally came online. If I try to ping externally, "no network available"
[17:18] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: disable i think
[17:18] <Hfuy> usr13: no such.
[17:18] <usr13> Hfuy: If you issue command "mount"  it will tell you where evertying is mounted.
[17:18] <roasted> kyle__: online meaning, it booted and Im logged in. bad terminology there.
[17:18] <Hfuy> Oh, OK.
[17:18] <usr13> genii-around: Oh, ok.  Thanks info
[17:19] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: the default mount directories are in /media/
[17:19] <Hfuy> I have /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sda2 which are presumably the USB key and the SSD, but I don't know which is which
[17:19] <kyle__> roasted: And is there one route now, and it's the default gateway?
[17:19] <usr13> Hfuy: df  will also tell you pretty much same
[17:19] <kyle__> Hfuy: fdisk -l should help a bit.  It will tell you the sizes
[17:19] <roasted> kyle__: I have the gateway <IP_ADDRESS> listed under the 17 network in the interfaces file, and that's it.
[17:19] <roasted> kyle__: but 17 failed before. I wonder if I drop <IP_ADDRESS> under 18, and remove it under 17, if it'll work
[17:19] <usr13> Hfuy: sudo fdisk -l
[17:20] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, that worked ...thank you a lot sir
[17:20] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: no worries
[17:20] <Hfuy> I just did df -h
[17:20] <Hfuy> I remember that from last time I did any serious linuxing, which was a few years back.
[17:20] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: if anyone says to install a ppa to fix a problem then be suspicous
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows howto fix this kinda mouse pointer corruption? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92473709/IMAG0011.jpg
[17:20] <Hfuy> (red hat 9. oh, the pain)
[17:20] <roasted> kyle__: I would think if the gateway under 18 works, but when it was under 17 it didnt work, that the switch config wasn't right
[17:20] <Hfuy> What's /dev/loop0
[17:20] <roasted> kyle__: would you agree?
[17:21] <pheonixash83> loopback device i believe
[17:21] <Hfuy> Oh, wait, of course - it won't have mounted the boot device as one device, it's linux, we'll have a temp area, a root area, etc.
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !ati
[17:21] <Hfuy> ...right?
[17:22] <usr13> RH-9 was 2003, ran kernel 2.4.20-8
[17:22] <pheonixash83> Hfuy: what are you actually tring to do??
[17:22] <Hfuy> Fix bluetooth if I can
[17:22] <Hfuy> it's not the end of the world
[17:22] <pheonixash83> hfuy: bluetooth on windows or linux?
[17:22] <cmake> of course to convert man pages to text just man xxx > xxx.txt ; then do whatever program converts text to pdf , ps ,..etc groff :) simple
[17:22] <Hfuy> nix
[17:23] <usr13> Hfuy: What?  mounted boot device as ____?
[17:23] <Hfuy> usr13: well, Windows mounts the boot device as c: (invariably); I was wondering where my 4GB flash key was mounted. But it sort of isn't, this being linux.
[17:23] <islandmonkey> Why is my update manager coming up with a distro upgrade?
[17:23] <Hfuy> I wanted to find out how much space was left
[17:24] <usr13> Hfuy: It all depends on what mount points you set up in the /etc/fstab file.  (Unless it's a USB device that you prefer to mount and umount on the fly).
[17:24] <Hfuy> I didn't.
[17:24] <Hfuy> It's a flash key with the ubuntu install on it.
[17:24] <pheonixash83> hfuy: for a graphic display I swear by gparted
[17:24] <usr13> Hfuy: du
[17:24] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: df -h
[17:24] <Hfuy> tell me there's a GUI way to do it, puhleease.
[17:25] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: gparted
[17:25] <roasted> kyle__: watched it fully boot this time - after it hangs with waiting for network configuration, it eventually says, booting without full network configuration...
[17:25] <islandmonkey> 12.04.1 isn't out yet
[17:25] <Hfuy> It's mounted the laptop's internal SSD as two partitions, the main one and the manufacturer's system recovery partition, which is fine and expected.
[17:25] <usr13> *df* is what I ment...
[17:25] <Hfuy> But I don't seem to have a disk representing the boot device.
[17:25] <usr13> Hfuy: You mean /boot/
[17:26] <usr13> ?
[17:26] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: select the device from the dropdown list in the top right of gparted
[17:26] <Hfuy> I don't know. If I put files there will they appear on the flash key?
[17:26] <usr13> Hfuy: You can place it on a separate partition if you choose to.
[17:27] <Hfuy> it's just that I don't want to (perhaps) install linux on the main 128gb SSD and not have access to it
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> howto hide users at login screen?
[17:27] <Hfuy> that would suck.
[17:27] <islandmonkey> *assumes that the update manager thought updates were distro upgrade updates*
[17:27] <usr13> Hfuy: Yes, anything you put on a mount point goes on the disk it is mounted on. yes
[17:28] <yacin_> hiiiiii..can any one know how to increase ubuntu partition
[17:28] <ThinkT510> yacin_: use gparted from a livecd
[17:28] <Hfuy> the only 4GB device I see in df -h is /dev/sdb1
[17:28] <usr13> Hfuy: Wait, I don't think I'm understanding your questions?  Are you planning a Linux install?  ... or are you trying to customize an existing one?
[17:28] <Hfuy> It says it's mounted on /cdrom for some reason
[17:28] <islandmonkey> yacin_: Use gparted
[17:29] <ThinkT510> usr13: he has booted from a usb
[17:29] <usr13> Hfuy: What is mounted on /cdrom ?
[17:29] <Hfuy> usr13: /dev/sdb1
[17:29] <yacin_> gparted ???
[17:29] <yacin_> how to install it ??
[17:29] <usr13> ThinkT510: Oh, I see.  He is only contemplating the install... Ok.
[17:29] <Hfuy> Which is the only 4gb device on the system, and therefore must be the flash key.
[17:29] <Hfuy> Why on earth is it /cdrom
[17:29] <usr13> Hfuy: sdb1 is the first partition on the second drive
[17:29] <ThinkT510> yacin_: you use it from a livecd, no need to install it
[17:30] <Hfuy> Anyway, that's not important. Why would bluetooth not work?
[17:30] <usr13> Hfuy: sda1 is the first partition on the first drive
[17:30] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: maybe pastebining the output will help us help you: df -h
[17:30] <yacin_> yeah there it is ?
[17:30] <usr13> Hfuy: Maybe because it's dissabled?
[17:30] <Hfuy> it's OK, I think I have the disk situation under control.
[17:30] <usr13> Hfuy: (turned off)
[17:31] <Hfuy> Well, it reads as disabled, and it won't enable. And no, the "airplane mode" switch on the laptop is not on.
[17:31] <yacin_> i have windows 7 with xubuntu in my computer i can minimise windows partition
[17:31] <Hfuy> I can slide the little switch to cover "off", but it just flicks back.
[17:31] <Hfuy> And it says "bluetooth is disabled"
[17:31] <usr13> Hfuy: What do you need blue tooth for at this point?
[17:32] <Hfuy> Proving it works.
[17:32] <Hfuy> I use it to communicate via my cellphone.
[17:32] <usr13> Hfuy: I see.
[17:32] <kyle__> roasted: Was afk, what did I miss?  Did it work?
[17:32] <usr13> Hfuy: Well, I use wifi
[17:32] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: sudo service bluetooth restart
[17:32] <roasted> kyle__: no :(
[17:32] <kyle__> roasted: fsck.
[17:32] <Hfuy> ThinkT510: Done. stop/waiting, start/running, process 8387
[17:32] <usr13> ThinkT510: or sudo service bluetooth start
[17:33] <roasted> kyle__: if I ping <IP_ADDRESS>, network is unreachable.
[17:33] <roasted> kyle__: I'm particularly disturbed by the errors I get when firing it up. "booting without full network configuration"
[17:33] <roasted> kyle__: I fund some bug reports referring to it being gdm or lightdm related. er, uh, what? a DE effecting the network?
[17:34] <sardonyx> http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/Arch-newb/Screenshot-1-10.jpg   <--- at the very bottom of this screenshot, does anyone know what program that is?  It looks like an "enhanced" top or something
[17:34] <Hfuy> Holy expletive deleted, the battery monitoring works! I wasn't even aware linux knew about battery monitoring!
[17:34] <usr13> Hfuy: Why wouldn't it?
[17:34] <Hfuy> usr13: well, you know.
[17:34] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: where do you come from? the past?
[17:35] <kyle__> roasted: Yea, but you know ubuntu.  They like to break the strangest things to make anything else easy.
[17:35] <usr13> Hfuy: Yea, I do know  :):):):)
[17:35] <roasted> kyle__: gotta love it.
[17:35] <killer> i use bcm4312 wireless card and broadcom sta drivers ....and i m not able to connect ubuntu to adhoc created by my friend
[17:35] <kyle__> roasted: We'd all use debian instead, if they'd update to Firefox 3.0.
[17:35] <Hfuy> still no joy with bluetooth, although the command service bluetooth restart reported it was running. The control panel applet for it still says "off" and won't go on.
[17:35] <roasted> kyle__: lol.
[17:35] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, are you still around
[17:35] <roasted> kyle__: but, that might make it unstable!!1
[17:35] <usr13> killer: some of the broadcom chips are not fully supported.
[17:35] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: indeed
[17:36] <roasted> kyle__: http://www.totalcomputersusa.com/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-booting-system-without-full-network-configuration/
[17:36] <usr13> Hfuy: Well, it might work after full install.
[17:36] <roasted> interesting...
[17:36] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, if you don't mind, i am having an issue with my sound
[17:36] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: what sort of issue?
[17:36] <Hfuy> dmesg | grep -i blue talks a lot about bluetooth
[17:36] <Hfuy> HCI device and connection manager initialised, etc
[17:37] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, when i plug my headset , i still hear from the laptop and the headset
[17:37] <kyle__> humid: Like usr13 said, after a full install.  An apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will get you all the latest drivers and goodies, as well as any vendor specific stuff it sees you need.
[17:37] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i want it to mute when i plug in my head set
[17:37] <usr13> kyle__: what version is he using?
[17:37] <Hfuy> usr13: that's a bit fail.
[17:37] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: hmm, thats odd, never happened to me
[17:38] <kyle__> usr13: No idea.
[17:38] <usr13> kyle__: apt-get dist-upgrade is deprecated
[17:38] <usr13> Hfuy: Please disreguard dist-upgrade
[17:38] <Hfuy> I try never to use apt anyway.
[17:38] <sw> is it possible to check if a domain name is registered via command line?
[17:38] <Hfuy> I've had it destroy far too many installs.
[17:38] <usr13> Hfuy: Why not?
[17:39] <usr13> Hfuy: I think you are confused
[17:39] <roasted> kyle__: post 9 seems to be popular - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/811441
[17:39] <kyle__> Errr.
[17:39] <Hfuy> I find it very rarely works, if it does work it half-does the job (not assigning mp3s to an mp3 player, etc) and WAY too often it breaks the whole OS.
[17:39] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, crash report detected
[17:39] <usr13> Hfuy: By all means, use apt
[17:39] <kyle__> roasted: I'm reading these with disbeleif.  How cound this get so wacky?
[17:39] <Hfuy> I've already tried a few things - "apt-get install xchat" and it just errors out.
[17:39] <roasted> kyle__: not sure :(
[17:39] <usr13> Hfuy: Sorry, but you have been mislead about apt
[17:39] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: great, which one this time
[17:39] <roasted> kyle__: maybe I should have just done a fresh install. gah.
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  that's because mp3 is not 'open'
[17:40] <genii-around> sw: If you do a: whois domain-name      and it tells you it's not registered to anyone, it's probably available
[17:40] <Hfuy> Couldn't care less.
[17:40] <genii-around> sw: You'll need the whois package installed, of course
[17:40] <usr13> Hfuy: You are on a live USB device, installing applications is for after the install.
[17:40] <Hfuy> anyway, is this BT issue likely to be fixable?
[17:40] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, '/usr/bin/totem' i was watch a movie and it crashed
[17:40] <kyle__> roasted: baslpheme!  A fresh install?  Your goal is to have one server that's seemlessly run at least 8 versions without a fresh isntall
[17:40] <roasted> kyle__: I hear you.
[17:41] <roasted> kyle__: some sources indicate the symlink script during the upgrade failed
[17:41] <usr13> Hfuy: What does BT mean?
[17:41] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: urgh, totem is sub-par in my opinion, i use vlc or mplayer
[17:41] <roasted> kyle__: hence post 9 in that link
[17:41] <Hfuy> Sorry - bluetooth
[17:41] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i thought that was mplayer
[17:41] <Hfuy> I mean, this looks kinda worky: http://pastebin.com/t5aUeVVs
[17:41] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: no
[17:42] <usr13> Hfuy: You should do an install, see if it works then. Ok?
[17:42] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, i have vlc
[17:42] <kyle__> wow.
[17:42] <Hfuy> Well, there's a windows install on this thing I don't want to lose.
[17:42] <sw> genii-around: cheers. really looking for something that I can do 'whois domains.txt' and it'll print a simple one liner: '$domain is (not) registered'
[17:42] <kyle__> roasted: Did it work for you?  Did you try it?
[17:42] <sw> genii-around: any ideas?
[17:43] <usr13> Hfuy: Just resize the partition(s) to make room for the Ubuntu install.
[17:43] <usr13> Hfuy: The installer will do it for you.
[17:43] <Hfuy> Like I'm going to trust a linux installer with my windows install :)
[17:43] <usr13> Hfuy: sure, works fine.
[17:43] <MonkeyDust> never trust windows, you're right
[17:43] <usr13> millions have done it without issue...
[17:43] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, another crash' /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk
[17:43] <kyle__> Hfuy: Good thinking.  Wipe the drive, install ubuntu, install virtualbox, trust virtualbox with the windows install.  Much safer.
[17:43] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: if you're so worried use another disk
[17:44] <kyle__> Hfuy: I refer to that as, "a vm condom"
[17:44] <Hfuy> also: no skype under linux.
[17:44] <roasted> kyle__: trying now
[17:44] <usr13> Hfuy: But if you have critical files and are worried, do a backup of them first.
[17:44] <Hfuy> That's sort of a blocking issue.
[17:44] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: i have no idea what is causing all these crashes for you
[17:44] <usr13> Hfuy: Skype works fine
[17:44] <MonkeyDust> skype works here, too
[17:44] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: use a lot of flash?
[17:44] <MCl0vin> ThinkT510, thinking to switch to Windows
[17:44] <usr13> Hfuy: Blocking?
[17:45] <Cantide> download version 4 of skype from their website
[17:45] <Cantide> much better than 2.2 beta or whatever was in the repos >_<
[17:45] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: your choice
[17:45] <MonkeyDust> MCl0vin  windows is expensive, slow and dangerous
[17:45] <usr13> ... to be used sparingly
[17:45] <Hfuy> Cantide: the ubuntu.com site gives exactly the opposite advice.
[17:45] <MCl0vin> MonkeyDust, are all what i am having with 12.04 is not!!!
[17:45] <kyle__> MonkeyDust: Hence the vm condom for windows usage.
[17:46] <Hfuy> MonkeyDust: : at least your bluetooth works, though.
[17:46] <Cantide> Hfuy, why? I downloaded it and it works really well
[17:46] <usr13> kyle__: Yea, that's the way to run MS Windows, vm
[17:46]  * kyle__ shrugs.  I haven't had any undue hardships with 12.04.
[17:46] <ThinkT510> MCl0vin: i haven't had an issue with 12.04, you don't seem to have an odd setup so i don't know why you are having these crashes
[17:46] <usr13> kyle__: That way, you can fire it up whenever you want/need.  (whenever that is....??)
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  it does, out of the box
[17:47] <kyle__> usr13: I have one sad little usb tv capture card that only works in windows.  That's the only system that runs it physically.
[17:47] <roasted> kyle__: I'm getting errirs saying these are the sam efiles! when I move them.
[17:47] <roasted> fricken adljf;dslkja;lsdjf;laksjdfkl;ajskl;dfa
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  as does all the rest, only may old canon scanner is a pain
[17:47] <Hfuy> what does what out of the box
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> my*
[17:47] <kyle__> roasted: O.o
[17:47] <Hfuy> oh, that's another thing
[17:47] <usr13> Hfuy: Bluetooth works.
[17:47] <Hfuy> printing
[17:47] <Hfuy> haven't tried that
[17:47] <Hfuy> well it doesn't
[17:47] <Hfuy> I can ask my phone to scan again if you like, but it isn't there.
[17:47] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: please tell us you don't have a lexmark
[17:47] <killer> how do i check that my wireless card/ driver supports to connect to adhoc or not ( i want to connect to adhoc)
[17:47]  * Hfuy makes a face
[17:47] <usr13> Hfuy: Ok, I'm wrong. It doesnt' work.  You better go back to MS Windows.
[17:48] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  overall, everything has always worked liked a charm (except that scanner)
[17:48] <Hfuy> God no. Canon iX6550
[17:48] <Hfuy> See, this is where I start getting exasperated with linux people.
[17:48] <Hfuy> Bluetooth is not working here.
[17:48] <Hfuy> Saying it works does not make it work.
[17:49] <Hfuy> Refusing to believe it does not make it not so.
[17:49] <ThinkT510> Hfuy: are you still on a live system?
[17:49] <usr13> Hfuy: ix6550 ? is that right?
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> Hfuy  use blueman
[17:49] <Hfuy> you mean booting from USB? Yes.
[17:49] <Hfuy> usr13: yes.
[17:49] <ThinkT510> MonkeyDust +1
[17:49] <usr13> Hfuy: Don't see that model