[00:27] <wgrant> jcsackett: Around?
[00:28] <wgrant> lifeless: Hi.
[00:28] <lifeless> hola
[00:29] <wgrant> lifeless: Given the utterly disastrous state of QA over the past few days, I am tempted to revert the bad picker fixes.
[00:31] <lifeless> did jons branch fail ?
[00:31] <lifeless> I agree we despearately need to get stable
[00:31] <StevenK> Jon's branch hasn't even been reviewed
[00:32] <wgrant> Jon's branch is not reviewed, not ec2'd, and not necessarily going to work, and we've already got three rollbacks in the queue.
[00:32] <StevenK> And 3 more revs to QA
[00:32] <wgrant> A fourth to get us back to a reasonable state cannot hurt.
[00:32]  * StevenK finds his rope.
[00:33] <wgrant> And it's not even easy QA.
[00:37] <lifeless> I like rollbacks :)
[00:40] <wgrant> Ooh, it still reverts cleanly.
[00:40]  * wgrant reverts cleanly.
[00:41] <StevenK> wgrant: Are you going to self-review it?
[00:41] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:45] <wgrant> It is done.
[00:51] <lifeless> wgrant: hi; rabbit
[00:51] <lifeless> wgrant: did you have some success ?
[00:51] <wgrant> Not really.
[00:51] <lifeless> with it in vms specifically
[00:51] <lifeless> k
[00:52] <wgrant> I suspect I just need to poke /etc/hosts harder.
[00:53] <lifeless> I'm really disappointed with rabbit ease-of-use in this area
[00:54] <wgrant> Indeed. It's entirely unnecessary, too.
[00:54] <wgrant> Yay, create-lxc-aufs still works.
[00:57] <wgrant> OK, got it working.
[00:57] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost lucid-lp-temp-aufs-7YHq
[00:57] <wgrant> Doesn't work
[00:57] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[00:57] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS> lucid-lp-temp-aufs-7YHq
[00:57] <wgrant> Does
[00:58] <lifeless> butwhy
[00:58] <wgrant> Because it is hideous and likes to resolve its name both ways :)
[00:58] <timrc> wgrant, hey, cody-somerville said you rang
[00:58] <wgrant> It's like kerberos, except worse.
[00:58] <lifeless> wgrant: what do you mean?
[00:59] <wgrant> Hmm, I wonder if it's our fixture, actually.
[01:00] <lifeless> well, u1 had the same ugly
[01:00] <lifeless> and we got our fixture's core from u1
[01:00] <lifeless> but I'd like to understand what you mean
[01:00] <lifeless> does it manually parse /etc/hosts ?
[01:00] <lifeless> or is it binding to <IP_ADDRESS> for some bizarre reason?
[01:00] <wgrant> NAFAIK
[01:00] <wgrant> Need to experiment.
[01:01] <lifeless> my lxc doesn't have <IP_ADDRESS> in 'ip addr'
[01:01] <wgrant> It's not going to.
[01:01] <wgrant> It's <IP_ADDRESS>/8
[01:01] <lifeless>     inet <IP_ADDRESS>/8 scope host lo
[01:01] <wgrant> Well, that.
[01:01] <lifeless> the /8 only affects routing
[01:01] <wgrant> Yes...
[01:01] <wgrant> And it will resolve your hostname.
[01:02] <lifeless> <IP_ADDRESS> isn't usable unless the address is added somewhere
[01:02] <wgrant> Yes it is.
[01:02] <lifeless> or something daft is going on
[01:02] <wgrant> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:03] <wgrant> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
[01:03] <wgrant>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
[01:03] <wgrant>     inet <IP_ADDRESS>/8 scope host lo
[01:03] <wgrant>     inet6 ::1/128 scope host
[01:03] <wgrant>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[01:03] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS>/8 is on the interface.
[01:03] <wgrant> Hmm.
[01:04] <wgrant> Anyway.
[01:04] <wgrant> lo takes the whole /8
[01:04] <wgrant> Always has.
[01:04] <wgrant> And rabbit or the fixture somehow need to be able to resolve it both ways.
[01:07] <lifeless> hah
[01:08] <lifeless> searching for lo address gets a cee lo news clip ;P
[01:08] <wgrant> Heh
[01:09] <lifeless> I'm not sure lo always bound to all the the 127 addresses, but meh
[01:10] <lifeless> wgrant: whats odd/confusing is why it *wants* <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:10] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS> has been in the default installation forever.
[01:10] <lifeless> wgrant: e.g. why its not happy with <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:10] <lifeless> wgrant: no, it hasn't
[01:10] <wgrant> lifeless: <IP_ADDRESS> reverse resolves to localhost first.
[01:10] <lifeless> wgrant: feisty/etch brought it in.
[01:11] <lifeless> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316099
[01:11] <lifeless> ah, so its whinging because it gets a different name back ?
[01:12] <wgrant> I presume so.
[01:12] <wgrant> It's possibly the fixture being crap.
[01:12] <StevenK> *However*, Feisty only added <IP_ADDRESS> on new installs
[01:16] <wgrant> Not even 12000 OOPSes from yesterday's amusement.
[01:16] <wgrant> How boring.
[01:17] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #865: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 50 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/865/
[01:24] <mwhudson> totally irrelevant, but apparently the <IP_ADDRESS>/8 thing is different on os x
[02:12] <wgrant> lifeless: Hi.
[02:14] <wgrant> lifeless: The problem goes away if we pass fq_nodename instead of just nodename in as RABBITMQ_NODENAME.
[02:15] <wgrant> lifeless: rabbitmq will use nodename@hostname if it's specified, otherwise it will do a reverse lookup to guess hostname.
[02:15] <StevenK> So it's a very small patch?
[02:15] <wgrant> That's how the system one works: /usr/lib/rabbitmq/bin/rabbitmq-env constructs rabbit@hostname
[02:15] <wgrant> Yes.
[02:15] <wgrant> Three characters.
[02:19] <wgrant> I think rabbitfixture also leaks tmpdirs.
[02:19] <wgrant> Need to check that out.
[02:19] <StevenK> Heh
[02:20] <wgrant> Like, my laptop had several thousand by the end of last week.
[02:21] <poolie> hi StevenK, wgrant, lifeless
[02:21] <StevenK> O hai!
[02:21] <wgrant> Hi poolie.
[02:29] <wgrant> Mm, doesn't seem to leak normally.
[02:29] <wgrant> I guess I just killed it too aggressively.
[02:29] <StevenK> A thousand times or more
[02:39] <lifeless> poolie: hi
[02:39] <lifeless> wgrant: cool
[03:08] <StevenK> Orsum. bzrlib.lockable_files._LockWarner is now affecting ~1,500 tests on Jenkins
[03:12] <spiv> Upgrade your bzrlib :P
[03:14] <StevenK> spiv: That's with bzr 2.3.3-0~bazaar1~lucid2
[03:15] <spiv> StevenK: The relevant change landed on trunk about a week ago
[03:15] <lifeless> I think I'm blind
[03:16] <lifeless> spiv: we run releases in lp though
[03:16] <StevenK> I don't think I want to run LP tests against bzr trunk :-)
[03:16] <lifeless> spiv: so I think 'release 2.4 please'
[03:16] <lifeless> spiv: is a prerequisite
[03:16] <wgrant> We often run betas.
[03:16] <lifeless> the more bzrlib changes things the less I think that that is a good idea
[03:17] <lifeless> what I mean is that the old one-line-of-releases, each month is as stable as possible, deprecations are always graceful : well that was more amenable to using recent developments.
[03:17] <lifeless> its now harder to upgrade bzrlibs
[03:18] <lifeless> and we can't be as confident about e.g. wire level support issues till the final release in the series
[03:19] <lifeless> I'm not saying this is a problem per se
[03:19] <lifeless> but its a consequence of the changed policies
[03:19] <lifeless> zope.testing tests make my eyes bleed
[03:20] <wgrant> What are you doing to it?
[03:20] <lifeless> see my last comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/storylayers/+merge/66738
[03:20] <lifeless> I am teaching it that if it gets a test with no layer, it should not do layer per-test teardown and setup, regardless of whatever layers are setup.
[03:21] <lifeless> its that
[03:21] <wgrant> Hah
[03:21] <lifeless> or I can insert an adapting TestResult
[03:21] <lifeless> between the DocFileTests in a StoryPageTestCase and the zope.testing runner
[03:22] <lifeless> but the adapter would need to merge all the failures in all the elements of the story
[03:22] <lifeless> I think this is probably a lesser evil
[03:22] <lifeless> anyhow, we have 6 failures in our fork already
[03:22] <lifeless> and no idea if they are bitrot, changes, or what have you
[03:22] <lifeless> so I'm going to close my eyes and JFDI
[03:31] <benonsoftware> Question: What exactly is the Launchpad Community dev team? https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev
[03:31] <lifeless> its a mailing list
[03:31] <benonsoftware> Just a list?
[03:31] <lifeless> you are welcome to join if you want to discuss the development of launchpad
[03:32] <benonsoftware> I'm alreaady a member on it.
[03:33] <poolie> lifeless, it would be nice if there was some clearer "what is this team for" concept
[03:34] <poolie> some of them you're welcome to join if you're just interested; some are only for trusted peolpe
[03:34] <poolie> perhaps they shouldn't all be presented as teams
[03:34] <benonsoftware> if it just a list they should just have a list section
[03:35] <poolie> there is a section about it being a list
[03:35] <poolie> biab
[03:37] <benonsoftware> What does biab mean?
[03:38] <lifeless> 'Back In A Bit'
[03:51] <StevenK> spiv: Out of interest, can you link me the fix for that?
[03:52] <spiv> StevenK: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev/revision/6002
[03:53] <StevenK> spiv: That sounds like a good plan.
[03:54] <spiv> Yep.
[03:54] <wgrant> Probably makes the GC a bit happier.
[03:55] <spiv> Hmm, probably not so much.  I doubt our lock objects were participating in reference cycles.
[03:57] <lifeless> I suspect we have bugs causing us to see the warnings
[03:58] <spiv> Probably.
[03:59] <lifeless> ok, so this route isn't going to work
[03:59] <lifeless> I'll do a big-arse adapter instead.
[04:00] <spiv> To adapt it to a smaller arse?
[04:01] <lifeless> if only
[04:01] <lifeless> this is z.testing
[04:23]  * StevenK attempts to QA stuff
[04:27] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz blessing to update DF?
[04:28] <wgrant> StevenK: doit
[04:29] <StevenK> wgrant: I think bug 740208 shouldn't be to bad to QA
[04:29] <StevenK> It's not very clear from the code if it's an e-mail that's in a title or something
[04:30] <wgrant> I checked it for descriptions earlier.
[04:30] <wgrant> It seems to be OK.
[04:30] <wgrant> But eeeh.
[04:30] <StevenK> Heh
[04:38] <lifeless> biab
[04:54] <StevenK> wgrant: So it looks fine, you're just nervous about it?
[04:56] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes.
[04:56] <wgrant> Also considering tracking down whoever decided that erlang extensions should automatically download their dependencies from git/hg.
[04:57] <wgrant> blink
[04:57] <wgrant> My eyes
[04:57] <StevenK> Haha
[04:58] <StevenK> wgrant: Do you think it's fine to deploy if we keep on an eye on it, or not?
[04:58] <wgrant> StevenK: I think it's OK.
[04:58] <wgrant> git clone http://github.com/mochi/mochiweb.git
[04:58] <wgrant> Check out the 'rebar' file.
[04:58] <wgrant> rebar seems to be some kind of extension build system.
[04:58] <wgrant> But look at what the file is.
[05:00] <StevenK> I'd rather not touch a git repo :-P
[05:00] <StevenK> wgrant: And we can probably deploy jtv's change, since it's FF'd
[05:00] <StevenK> rvba's change is running glaciall^Won mawson
[05:01] <mwhudson> wgrant: it looks lovely in github's browser, that file
[05:01] <StevenK> mwhudson: URL?
[05:01] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #700: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 40 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/700/
[05:01] <mwhudson> StevenK: https://github.com/mochi/mochiweb/blob/master/rebar
[05:01] <mwhudson> 'blob' has rarely been more appropriate
[05:02] <StevenK> Right. Now to review my lunch.
[05:02] <ajmitch> that blob looks like a .zip file
[05:02] <wgrant> It is.
[05:02] <mwhudson> it's something erlang related isn't it?
[05:02] <wgrant> What else...
[05:04] <StevenK> wgrant: So, the IDSJ runner just finished on mawson. It looks like it got past the problematic bit, so I'll qa-ok it, but there's another bug there.
[05:04]  * StevenK files it
[05:06] <wgrant> StevenK: k
[05:10] <StevenK> Firefox, how you annoy me
[05:10] <StevenK> Who broke click handling between Firefox 4 and 5, seriously?
[05:11] <StevenK> We are probably deployable in 2 hours
[05:14] <wgrant> zomg
[05:14] <wgrant> Almost there.
[05:32] <wgrant> Bah, bzr-hg fail.
[05:32] <StevenK> Hm?
[05:32] <lifeless> qa?
[05:33] <StevenK> Ha
[05:33] <StevenK> When r13376 hits qas, we can deploy 42 revisions
[05:35] <wgrant> bzr-hg fails to work with rabbitmq-mochiweb.
[05:35] <wgrant> It works with the rest :(
[05:35] <poolie> file a bug, please?
[05:35] <poolie> or, find one?
[05:36] <poolie> which branch?
[05:37] <wgrant> http://hg.rabbitmq.com/rabbitmq-mochiweb/
[05:37] <wgrant> Can't branch it directly.
[05:37] <wgrant> But if I try to branch a clone, it does a bit and then:
[05:37] <wgrant> bzr: ERROR: An inconsistent delta was supplied involving '<unknown>', 'hg:test'
[05:37] <wgrant> reason: Parent is not present in resulting inventory.
[05:43] <StevenK> Right, buildbot done, waiting for qas
[05:44] <StevenK> wgrant: I have prepared a bug list, too
[05:44] <wgrant> Excellent.
[05:44] <StevenK> 42 revisions, 28 bugs
[05:46] <wgrant> Less excellent.
[05:49] <poolie> wgrant, this rings a bell
[05:50] <poolie> wgrant, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-hg/+bug/513368
[05:50] <_mup_> Bug #513368: inconsistent delta during fetch <code-import> <Bazaar Hg Plugin:Triaged> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/513368 >
[05:50] <wgrant> poolie: Thanks.
[05:57]  * StevenK whimpers at qastaging
[05:58] <StevenK> How did you miss 13376?! HOW?
[06:01] <wgrant> buildbot-poller being slow, maybe?
[06:03] <StevenK> wgrant: But surely it pulls from stable?
[06:04] <StevenK> But, perhaps
[06:04] <lifeless> it does
[06:05] <lifeless> but perhaps you've forgotten the 30 minute build of the tree on carob
[06:07] <StevenK> Why does stable need to build on carob?
[06:07] <StevenK> Since the first thing qas is run buildouyt
[06:07] <StevenK> *buildout
[06:09] <wgrant> StevenK: buildbot-poller pushes stable.
[06:09] <wgrant> StevenK: So buildbot completing is not enough to update stable.
[06:10] <wgrant> You have to hope that buildbot-poller sees it finish in a timely manner.
[06:10] <StevenK> Right, so moving to Jenkins might actually solve this -- since my plan is that when devel builds successfully it will push to stable/db-devel as the last step
[06:11] <wgrant> Jenkins shouldn't have permission to do that, I don't think.
[06:11] <wgrant> But maybe.
[06:11] <StevenK> Well, Jenkins tell tarmac to do it
[06:11] <StevenK> Handwave
[06:12] <StevenK> Utterly kill buildbot-poller
[06:16] <wgrant> 3/4 deps packaged...
[06:17] <wgrant> All of which originally grabbed $VCS checkouts of all of their dependencies
[06:17] <wgrant> WTF
[07:09] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #866: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 52 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/866/
[07:13] <wgrant> Ahah
[07:13] <wgrant> Packaged rabbitmq-management stack working.
[07:25] <poolie> nice
[07:25] <poolie> good night all
[07:26] <wgrant> Night.
[07:40] <bigjools> morning
[07:40] <wgrant> Morning bigjools.
[07:44] <bigjools> wgrant: did you see the QueueInconsistentStateError oops?
[07:45] <wgrant> bigjools: Yes, I identified the bug and Steve got the PU rejected.
[07:45] <bigjools> wgrant: good.  is it a new bug?
[07:46] <bigjools> looked like it was PPA though
[07:46] <wgrant> bigjools: Yes. OEM copied a package into a new PPA before it was private (the setup script hadn't called lp_save()), which triggered a delayed copy. It was then rerun with lp_save() added, so it was made private and recopied directly.
[07:47] <wgrant> The delayed copy processed a couple of minutes later, but the direct copy had already been done.
[07:47] <bigjools> awesome :/
[07:47] <wgrant> Yay
[07:47] <bigjools> the story is ....
[07:47] <bigjools> delayed copies need to die
[07:48] <wgrant> Yes
[07:49] <wgrant> In other news, I've packaged rabbitmq-management. It's a plugin that provides an HTTP API which will allow the test suite to quickly reset rabbit.
[07:49] <wgrant> So we can have test isolation.
[07:49] <wgrant> Which will be nice.
[07:49] <bigjools> splendid
[08:04] <allenap> Morning all.
[08:05] <bigjools> o/
[08:08] <mrevell> Hi
[08:09] <rvba> lifeless: Hi, I modified the code you rejected earlier today to throw a new exception with an additional message instead of using "print" (https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/launchpad/rabbit-error-plugins/+merge/67000) ... if you think it's still clunky, I'll just forget about it but allenap and I though it would be nice to get a warning about potentially conflicting rabbit plugins.
[08:10] <adeuring> good morning
[08:10] <lifeless> rvba: I think there is a better way to tackle this; I will describe it in the proposal
[08:10] <wgrant> rvba: We're going to depend on rabbitmq-management soon, so I'll be working out how to run multiple instances tomorrow, hopefully.
[08:10] <wgrant> But there may be others.
[08:11] <rvba> lifeless: ok thanks.
[08:11] <StevenK> rvba: O hai. I QA'd your change, but hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/806307
[08:11] <_mup_> Bug #806307: IDS has no access for DistributionSourcePackage <derivation> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/806307 >
[08:11] <rvba> wgrant: I suppose the 'conflict' is caused by multiple rabbit instances trying to use the very same port.
[08:12] <wgrant> rvba: Right, I need to work out how to configure that.
[08:12] <wgrant> Not sure if we can do it through an envvar like with the AMQP listener.
[08:12] <wgrant> rvba: Are you running natty?
[08:13] <rvba> wgrant: yes.
[08:13] <wgrant> Not sure if I want to backport natty's rabbitmq 2.3.1 to everywhere, or take 2.5.0 from oneiric.
[08:13] <wgrant> 2.5.0 has some major plugin build system changes.
[08:13] <wgrant> 2.3.1 has everything we need.
[08:14] <lifeless> rvba: done
[08:14] <lifeless> wgrant: think CATS
[08:14] <lifeless> s/S//
[08:15] <wgrant> I forget how to check what's there.
[08:15] <wgrant> Is there a madison around somewhere?
[08:15] <lifeless> presumably apt-cache search on carob
[08:15] <wgrant> Or must I FTP internally?
[08:15] <wgrant> carob only sees stock lucid rabbitmq-server.
[08:15] <rvba> lifeless: thanks ... I have used getDetails too ;) ... I guess I'll wait to see what wgrant does about this problem, if he manages to fix this in a generic fashion, the additional warning will be useless.
[08:15] <wgrant> Perhaps it's in some other pocket.
[08:16]  * StevenK kills parallel-test and disables the job again
[08:16] <StevenK> Running for 26 hours makes me SAD
[08:16] <lifeless> StevenK: sob, thanks.
[08:16] <LPCIBot> Project parallel-test build #85: ABORTED in 1 day 2 hr: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/85/
[08:16] <lifeless> StevenK: any evidence of how it failed/
[08:16] <rvba> StevenK: it's a good sign that the initialisation started. Thanks for QAing my change.
[08:17] <LPCIBot> Project parallel-test build #86: ABORTED in 29 sec: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/86/
[08:17] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=wgrant][rollback=13334] Revert r13334 due to bug #806179.
[08:17] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=gmb][no-qa] New lp.app.longpoll package.
[08:17] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=gmb][bug=805547] Fix packageset's copy in initialise_distroseries.
[08:17] <_mup_> Bug #806179: PersonPickers broken from bad passed in config <Launchpad itself:In Progress by jcsackett> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/806179 >
[08:17] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=deryck][bug=740208] obfuscated email addresses for anonymous
[08:17] <LPCIBot> webservice requests
[08:17] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=gmb][bug=802840] Ignore None component/section on sync upload
[08:17] <LPCIBot> source override.
[08:17] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=stevenk][rollback=13356] Rollback revision 13356.
[08:17] <StevenK> Bah, sorry.
[08:17]  * StevenK smacks LPCIBot.
[08:17] <wgrant> lifeless: Possibly interesting is that one of my parallel LXC workers hangs most times.
[08:18] <wgrant> lifeless: Only one.
[08:18] <lifeless> wgrant: fun
[08:18] <wgrant> lifeless: And the whole suite passes if not run with --parallel
[08:18] <lifeless> wgrant: you're doing aufs isolation right ?
[08:18] <wgrant> lifeless: This is with aufs, yes.
[08:18] <lifeless> wgrant: that jenkins job isn't, so its much more fragile
[08:19] <wgrant> Sure.
[08:19] <wgrant> rvba: You installed rabbitmq-management by grabbing the .ez files from the website and installing them manually?
[08:20] <rvba> wgrant: Yes.
[08:21] <rvba> Installing=moving the files to /usr/lib/rabbitmq/lib/rabbitmq_server-version/plugins
[08:24] <wgrant> Yeah.
[08:35] <wgrant> rvba: How is your JS branch going?
[08:36] <rvba> wgrant: the generic part is up for review. https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/launchpad/lp-app-longpoll-js/+merge/66936
[08:36] <wgrant> Ah, excellent.
[08:36] <rvba> The remaining parts (that I shall address after the DD work is finished) are:
[08:37] <rvba> - fix up a service for the async frontend
[08:37] <rvba> - use the generic stuff in the MP page (this will be just cleaning up the prototype that we've done in Dublin)
[08:44] <wgrant> lifeless: Only 2.2.0 is in lucid-cat-landscape. That's just new enough that I can probably get this plugin stack backported to it. But natty's 2.3.1 backports to lucid fine without even a rebuild, and I'm not sure if 2.2.0 will work for us.
[08:44] <wgrant> I guess I should test.
[08:51] <jtv> Anyone mind if I kick dogfood?  bigjools, StevenK, wgrant?
[08:51] <wgrant> Not I
[08:51] <bigjools> jtv: are you updating it?
[08:51] <jtv> Yes
[08:52] <bigjools> cool, was gonna do that anyway
[08:52] <StevenK> I updated it a few hours ago
[08:52] <StevenK> So you may not need to
[08:52] <bigjools> jtv: remember which user you're supposed to use ;)
[08:52] <jtv> I made doing it right easier than doing it wrong, remember?
[08:52] <lifeless> jtv: hi
[08:52] <jtv> hi lifeless — saw your note, thanks for that.
[08:52] <lifeless> jtv: I'd love to know what I missed
[08:53] <lifeless> jtv: (I'm assuming you tried that and it didn't work...)
[08:53] <jtv> Oh, no.  My query was just a quick scribble on a late-night train.  :)
[08:54] <lifeless> I have an observation about postgresql - if there is an ORDER BY matching an index, pg will almost exclusively use it
[08:54] <jtv> Which makes a lot of sense.
[08:54] <lifeless> so if you order by id with a date constraint, it will use the primary key index
[08:55] <jtv> Yes, I was simply too focused on getting to the id side of things when I wrote that version.
[08:55] <lifeless> jtv: I think the heuristic is too strong, but I haven't had the time to dig into what/why is going on
[08:55] <jtv> Well... it can save you some very painful plan nodes such as hash joins.
[08:55] <lifeless> jtv: anyhow, it means that I now have a spinal reflex: to force an index, order by it
[10:43] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #701: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 41 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/701/
[11:23] <jtv> lifeless: I think I just remembered why I wrote that query the way I did… it performs reasonably for reasonable inputs even without the new index.  The simpler version is abysmal without the index no matter what the input is.  I think I'll land it my way in devel and then do it your way in db-devel after adding the index.
[11:25] <jtv> No, that wasn't it.  :(
[11:27] <jtv> It's been said so many times: if only the statistics would recognize monotonic columns.  :(
[11:28] <bigjools> jtv: fancy doing a review?
[11:29] <jtv> bigjools: if it's not too big
[11:29] <bigjools> ~280 lines
[11:29] <bigjools> but a lot of refactoring
[11:30] <bigjools> https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/launchpad/set-previous-series-bug-805913/+merge/66942
[11:30]  * jtv has at it
[11:30] <bigjools> jtv: the previous_series stuff that I mentioned earlier
[11:30] <bigjools> ta
[11:30] <jtv> ah yes
[11:30] <lifeless> jtv: we can add the index live
[11:30] <jtv> oh that'd be great
[11:31] <jtv> do we have a Procedure for that yet?
[11:31] <lifeless> jtv: land it on devel with a non -0 patch number
[11:31] <bigjools> lifeless: slony copes with index changes now?
[11:31] <lifeless> normal review (stub + me for db, launchpad-reviewers for the code changes), and stub or a losa can create the index live at any point
[11:31] <jtv> So the -0 patches go out as db-devel rollouts?
[11:32] <lifeless> yeah
[11:32] <spiv> danilos: I see https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/expander-anim isn't proposed for merging yet... what's the delay?  https://code.launchpad.net/~spiv/launchpad/bmp-inline-diffs/+merge/66634 depends on it.
[11:32] <lifeless> so the plan is to make -0 verboten
[11:32] <spiv> danilos: I'd like to get my shiny diffs landed :)
[11:32] <lifeless> jtv: https://dev.launchpad.net/Database/LivePatching
[11:32] <danilos> spiv, I'll be getting it landed today, some tests missing still
[11:32] <jtv> lifeless: ta
[11:32] <lifeless> bigjools: slony doesn't see the index
[11:32] <spiv> danilos: woo!
[11:32] <lifeless> bigjools: what we do is CREATE INDEX CONCURRENTLY on all the replicates
[11:32] <lifeless> s/tes/s/
[11:33] <spiv> Cool, I'll nag people to review mine tomorrow then.
[11:33] <bigjools> ah ok
[11:33] <lifeless> master first if its an index that can fail (e.g. UNIQUE), then the readonly replicas
[11:33] <stub> bigjools: Slony doesn't care about indexes. it does care about constraints, which are sometimes tied up with the indexes.
[11:33]  * lifeless hands over to stub
[11:33] <lifeless> I get up in 6 hours :(
[11:34] <bigjools> furry muff
[11:34] <lifeless> jtv: anyhow, moral of the story is the index can be made live right now if needed.
[11:34] <jtv> great news
[11:34] <lifeless> halt()
[11:34] <bigjools> lifeless: night, see you at 6am :)
[11:35] <bigjools> unless you meant move the meeting TODAY?
[11:35] <lifeless> bigjools: that would be wonderful but I left the suggestion too late I think :)
[11:35]  * lifeless puts hand to forehead, palm out
[11:44] <danilos> spiv, also, fwiw, you can land your branch without depending on mine, and mine will seamlessly provide nice animations for you when it lands :)
[11:47] <spiv> danilos: well, mine merged from yours, so I can't easily land it without landing yours too :)
[12:57] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #867: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 47 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/867/
[13:06] <deryck> Morning, all.
[13:07] <abentley> deryck: Morning.
[13:07] <bigjools> +N  dist/rabbitfixture-0.2.1.tar.gz
[13:07] <bigjools> +N  dist/rabbitfixture-0.3.tar.gz
[13:07] <bigjools> :(
[13:12] <jcsackett> morning, all.
[13:12] <jcsackett> wgrant: you still up, by any chance?
[13:12] <deryck> Morning, jcsackett
[13:16] <jtv> bigjools: some problems with your branch I'm afraid.
[13:16] <jtv> See MP.
[13:17] <bigjools> jtv: music to my shell-like
[13:17] <jtv> sorry
[13:17] <jtv> Not tufted?
[13:18] <bigjools> jtv: I don't understand your comment
[13:18] <jtv> Archer ref.  Think ocelot.
[13:18] <wgrant> jcsackett: Hi
[13:19] <bigjools> jtv: not that one, the one in the MP
[13:19] <wgrant> allenap: Do you have any more changes to rabbitfixture planned?
[13:19] <jtv> bigjools: which comment?  I've been a little distracted by something or other wrong with my innards, so I may be talking nonsense.
[13:19] <jcsackett> wgrant: hi. i see you pinged me last night--was it just about the rollbacks, or something else?
[13:20] <bigjools> jtv: "you seem to test for the presence of a release date as an implicit side effect of SQL comparison semantics for nulls"
[13:20] <allenap> wgrant: No, none yet. What have you got planned?
[13:20] <bigjools> jtv: also you didn't read my blurb properly
[13:20] <jtv> bigjools: oh, that one.  Well, you seem to rely on "DistroSeries.date_released < foo" to filter out DistroSeries whose date_released is null.
[13:20] <jtv> Ah.
[13:20] <wgrant> jcsackett: Just the rollback.
[13:20] <bigjools> else you'd not have made the second comment :)
[13:20] <jcsackett> wgrant: dig.
[13:21] <wgrant> allenap: A trivial change to make it more robust against suboptimal /etc/hosts configs, and a more involved and as-yet unwritten one to use rabbitmq-management for cheap reset.
[13:21] <bigjools> jtv: self.context.series[0] is correct, see the "addendum"
[13:21] <allenap> wgrant: Tip top.
[13:23] <bigjools> jtv: ok so I need an extra "Not(DistroSeries.datereleased is None)" clause?
[13:23] <wgrant> != None!
[13:23] <bigjools> whatever
[13:23] <wgrant> Storm can't override is.
[13:23] <wgrant> So that will, er, not do what you want.
[13:24] <bigjools> I hate Storm
[13:24] <jtv> In Storm you say != None.
[13:24] <bigjools> I am going to start writing store.execute everywhere
[13:24] <bigjools> sigh
[13:26] <al-maisan> bigjools: :)
[13:26] <bigjools> al-maisan: yes, something you can appreciate :)
[13:27] <al-maisan> well, I had moments when I thought the same :)
[13:28] <bigjools> hehe, I don't hate it really, but there are some weird bits
[13:28] <al-maisan> like with every tool in existence
[13:31] <deryck> abentley, ping for new standup time.
[13:34] <bigjools> jtv: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/638897/
[13:34] <matsubara> anyone that could help me out with a test failure I got (https://pastebin.canonical.com/49400/) for this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~matsubara/launchpad/39605-bugtask-tooltip/+merge/66928?
[13:34] <matsubara> I'm not sure how to keep the query count under the limit
[13:42] <stub> matsubara: I'm seeing a number of Person rows being retrieved one at a time. Pulling them in a batch will shave off some queries.
[13:43] <stub> matsubara: Similarly BugActivity, Milestone and BugWatch
[13:44] <matsubara> stub, hmm this is probably the for loop iterating on activities.order_by(Desc('datechanged')), right?
[13:44] <stub> Maybe some code traversing attributes causing late loading of database objects? Pull them into the cache earlier.
[13:44] <stub> matsubara: I don't know. I just skimmed the SQL log looking for repeated stuff.
[13:45] <matsubara> stub, how can I pull everything I need on a single query?
[13:48] <jtv> stub o/
[13:48] <stub> person_ids = [activity.personID for activity in activities if activity.target == targetname]
[13:48] <stub> store.find(Person, Person.id.is_in(person_ids)
[13:48] <stub> matsubara: That might do it
[13:48] <stub> jtv: o/
[13:49] <jtv> stub: just wrote a "lightweight patch" for the schema, but find that "make schema" breaks because of a CREATE INDEX CONCURRENTLY.  Should I do it conventionally (non-concurrently) in the patch?
[13:49] <jtv> Ah, I think I see that in the documentation now.
[13:49] <matsubara> thanks stub, I'll give it a try
[13:49] <stub> jtv: Don't put the concurrently in there. I add it in when applying stuff manually
[13:49] <jtv> It's a bit difficult to make out what's relevant for development and what for deployment.
[13:49] <wgrant> stub, matsubara: There's a helper for that: load_related.
[13:50] <stub> jtv: Just a normal patch ending with something other than -0. I do the rest.
[13:50] <matsubara> wgrant, cool. I'll look for it
[13:50] <wgrant> matsubara: However, the important thing is not to do this in a single query, but in a constant number of queries.
[13:50] <wgrant> matsubara: Which means that you're going to need to calculate it outside BugTask.
[13:50] <wgrant> So the page doesn't scale by number of tasks.
[13:51] <jtv> stub: I don't see any other traces of lightweight patches in devel, of self-assigned revision numbers.  Am I doing it wrong or am I getting a "first post" on both?
[13:51] <matsubara> wgrant, are there some examples of how that's done somewhere else?
[13:52] <stub> patch-2208-76-1.sql
[13:52] <wgrant> matsubara: There should be a fair bit of it in BugTaskVie
[13:52] <wgrant> +w
[13:53] <stub> or any other of the non -0 patches in the tree...
[13:54] <jtv> stub: I don't see any in devel though — I thought lifeless said it could land in devel.
[13:54] <stub> db-devel
[13:54] <stub> I don't think they can land in devel yet
[13:54] <jtv> argh
[13:54] <wgrant> stub: Didn't you fix the hook?
[13:54] <jtv> Maybe we should just try.
[13:54] <stub> Did I?
[13:54] <wgrant> You certainly asked a LOSA to do it a few weeks back...
[13:55] <stub> I must be running low on drugs
[13:55] <wgrant> Or maybe you only got hold of the config file.
[13:56] <wgrant> https://rt.admin.canonical.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=44724
[13:56] <stub> It must have been terribly exciting. I vaguely recall getting pqm tweaked a while a go but don't recall what the change wass
[13:56] <wgrant> Status: resolved
[14:00] <stub> So yeah, what my frontal lobe extension said.
[14:02] <jtv> stub: can I have db review?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/index-798297/+merge/67046
[14:03] <stub> jtv: message__datecreated__idx is preferred naming
[14:03] <jtv> stub: thanks & sorry
[14:03] <jtv> fixing
[14:04] <jtv> stub: done
[14:05] <stub> jtv: So the basic reason we need this is that ORDER BY id DESC sucks when filtering the date range?
[14:06] <jtv> stub: not quite — but it is one of those correlated-columns problems.
[14:06] <jtv> I'm trying to find the oldest Message before a particular timestamp.
[14:07] <stub> Oldest message in what context?
[14:07] <jtv> Sorry, newest.
[14:07] <stub> DistroSeriesDifferenceComments
[14:07] <jtv> I use the id of the newest older-than-X Message to filter the message FKs on DSDComment.
[14:08] <jtv> bigjools: no test for what happens when distroseries.datereleased is null?
[14:08] <bigjools> jtv: look again
[14:09] <bigjools> I inserted an extra series, it is not returned
[14:09] <stub> jtv: The id of the newest older-than-X message will either be max(id) or NULL
[14:09] <jtv> stub: yes, the code is prepared for that
[14:10] <jtv> bigjools: argh, that's hard to see!  Implicit is better than explicit etc.
[14:10] <bigjools> jtv: how explicit do you want?!  It tests that only stuff with datereleased is returned
[14:11] <stub> jtv: I'm just wondering then why you can't do max(id) and throw away the result if it is younger than the cuttoff.
[14:11] <jtv> bigjools: which is the one that isn't returned based on this — ds3 or ds4?
[14:12] <jtv> stub: You mean max(id) WHERE datecreated < foo?
[14:12] <bigjools> jtv: I don't think you understand what is going on here
[14:12] <jtv> Probably not.  Sorry.
[14:12] <stub> jtv: no, max(id). and if the corresponding datecreated is too young replace it with NULL
[14:12] <bigjools> jtv: I shall add more comments and then it will become clear, this is my fault
[14:14] <jtv> bigjools: no need to go all mea culpa.  :)  But I think it would be better to split these issues up into separate tests.
[14:14] <jtv> Translations experience involves repeated headaches and nightmares caused by single-run, multiple-data tests.
[14:14] <bigjools> jtv: I don't think that will help, it will be the exact same tests over and over
[14:14] <jtv> Almost.
[14:14] <jtv> Right?
[14:15] <jtv> stub: I'm afraid I don't follow…
[14:15] <bigjools> in fact they'll be slightly less useful as they won't test real world data
[14:16] <jtv> DistroSeries relationships aren't that intricate, are they?  I would think what the factory spits out is good enough to test for this.
[14:16] <bigjools> it is not
[14:16] <bigjools> the factory is naive
[14:16] <bigjools> on top of this, pulseaudio is pissing me about
[14:17] <jtv> It likes that.
[14:17] <bigjools> what's the ui thing that configs it?
[14:17] <bigjools> I am stuck with output going to speakers even when a headset is plugged in
[14:18] <jtv> Err… KDE Sound Preferences?
[14:18]  * jtv is blatantly bluffing
[14:19] <stub> 'the id of the newest older-than-X message' == message = store.find(Message, ...).order_by(Desc(id)).first(); if message.date_created < X: message = None
[14:19] <jtv> Me, I just shout a lot and hope some neighbour will call the other and say "please tell your friend to be quiet, he keeps shouting PLEASE RESTART DOGFOOD like some crazy person."
[14:19] <jml> bigjools: it's sound preferences in normal Ubuntu. 'pavucontrol' is the one provided by pulseaudio itself.
[14:19] <stub> c/</>
[14:20] <stub> now I'm confused.
[14:20] <bigjools> jml: thanks, I'll try it
[14:20] <jtv> stub: I suspect that I wasn't clear enough in explaining.
[14:20] <jcsackett> is anyone available to review https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/button-configs-break-pickers/+merge/67047?
[14:21] <jcsackett> i am happy to review something in exchange. :-)
[14:21] <stub> My antihistamines more likely. Too much grass here.
[14:22] <bigjools> jml: unfortunately no luck.  There is something else somewhere that tells PA what devices to use IIRC
[14:22] <nigelb> bigjools: skype?
[14:23] <bigjools> nigelb: no, as soon as it detects PA it won't use anything else
[14:23] <bigjools> and now phonon won't show me anything else
[14:23] <bigjools> this is infuriating
[14:23] <nigelb> bigjools: see if you can find dtchen in ubuntu-devel, he probably knows more about sound than almost most of us
[14:23] <jtv> stub: I think you're querying for the newest Message, or None if that one is too new.  I'm looking for the newest Message that is older than a specific date.
[14:23] <jml> bigjools: pavucontrol normally does that on the Playback & Recording tabs. I find it hard to believe that Kubuntu shipped without an equivalent
[14:23] <bigjools> nigelb: thanks
[14:24] <stub> jtv: Right, so we need the index. yes.
[14:24] <bigjools> jml: gah, you have to be *in a call" for the option to appear in pavucontrol
[14:24] <jtv> (Since DSDComments are a new thing, I was tempted to hard-code a cutoff number as a shortcut :-)
[14:24] <jtv> What the zark is pavu?
[14:25] <bigjools> kubuntu does it differently
[14:25]  * jtv is amazed
[14:25] <jml> bigjools: that sucks. I reckon it would be worthwhile seeking out whatever the KDE equivalent of Gnome Sound Preferences is
[14:25]  * deryck switches work locations, back soon
[14:25] <jml> bigjools: because Sound Preferences actually works in natty.
[14:25] <bigjools> jml: it's the config for phonon - it has a preferential list of devices to use in different scenarios (comms, multimedia, games etc) but they all got replaced by just "pulseaudio
[14:25] <bigjools> :/
[14:26] <bigjools> so it's a lot better than pavucontrol - when it ****ing works!
[14:26] <jml> bigjools: is phonon the central sound control for kde?
[14:26] <bigjools> yes
[14:26] <jml> bigjools: ahh.
[14:26] <bigjools> I need a phonon expert I think
[14:26] <jml> bigjools: see, the gnome sound preferences now (afaict) actually configures pa, and everything uses pa, so it's all win.
[14:27] <jml> bigjools: *nod*
[14:27] <nigelb> jml: When do you make the switch out of LP?
[14:27] <bigjools> the phonon config is supposed to show all the pulse devices too
[14:27] <jml> nigelb: already done
[14:28] <nigelb> jml: Ah!   How about I call you in about 5 minutes?  Skype?
[14:43] <flacoste> benji: sure
[14:44] <benji> flacoste: what is your skype user name?
[14:44] <flacoste> benji: fjlacoste
[15:00] <danilos> spiv, to be able to get my branches landed, I had to remove some bits that are in your branches as well (eg. the branch.revisionexpander.js stuff); expect conflicts soon :)
[15:00] <jcsackett> abentley: have room in your queue for https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/button-configs-break-pickers/+merge/67047?
[15:00] <abentley> jcsackett: sure.
[15:00] <jcsackett> thanks.
[15:05] <jtv> danilos: getting more fallout from that Google bug we discussed.  It's like half of India is trying to create mail accounts for me.
[15:06] <jtv> (I know, half of India is a lot of people but… ever break a spammer's mailbox and see their ability to send email crumble to dust?)
[15:20] <abentley> deryck: I am looking into https://code.launchpad.net/~matsubara/launchpad/39605-bugtask-tooltip/+merge/66928 and BugActivity scares the hell out of me.
[15:20] <matsubara> abentley,thanks for looking that merge proposal but adeuring already reviewed it
[15:21] <deryck> abentley, yeah, it can be a bit hairy.
[15:21] <matsubara> it wouldn't hurt to have some additional feedback though :-)
[15:21] <deryck> abentley, not to mention, it's such a pain to get any useful info from it.
[15:22] <abentley> matsubara: why did adeuring review it?
[15:23] <adeuring> abentley: matsubara asked me :)
[15:23] <matsubara> abentley, I asked him on #launchpad. I looked at the topic and saw his name there and thought he was the OCR
[15:23] <abentley> matsubara: ah.  No, I am.
[15:24] <matsubara> by the time I noticed that, adeuring already had done the review
[15:24] <abentley> matsubara: adeuring's review looks similar to what I was in the middle of writing.
[15:24] <matsubara> cool. I'm working on the changes
[15:26] <abentley> matsubara: This is what I was going to propose: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/638927/
[15:31] <abentley> matsubara: Actually, ISTM that you should just grab all bug activities and find the latest for a given whatchanged string.  You can answer all information about what changed then without further queries.
[15:31] <abentley> matsubara: Since I assume you care about all bug tasks on that bug.
[15:32] <matsubara> yep
[15:34] <danilos> jtv, yay google ;)
[15:37] <abentley> jcsackett: Was "hacro" a deliberate combination of "macro" and "hack"?
[15:38] <jcsackett> abentley: as i don't remember ever typing that, i would say it's more likely a typo. but if you like it, we can pretend it was intentional. :-P
[15:38] <jcsackett> abentley: i think it's probably best that i fix that comment, though. :-)
[15:40] <abentley> jcsackett: also the "a a".
[15:40] <jcsackett> abentley: indeed.
[15:45] <abentley> jcsackett: bzr gannotate shows that the unused mailing_list is hysterical raisins.
[15:53] <abentley> jcsackett: I'm not very comfortable with having "true" and "false" as Python member variables.  Seems like that would be hard to use in Python code.
[15:54] <abentley> jcsackett: I would think you could calculate the whole config server-side and then simplejson.dumps it.
[15:59] <jcsackett> abentley: i suppose you could--this branch is just a quick fix to get the other personpicker stuff fixed quickly. bug 799847 concerns redoing the form-macros stuff so we just put important things in JSONCache and then don't need to do any view/js passing.
[15:59] <_mup_> Bug #799847: form-picker-macros should not do a bunch of manual js assembly <person-picker> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/799847 >
[16:00] <jcsackett> at which point the simplejson.dump would also be unnecessary.
[16:01] <abentley> jcsackett: I don't really understand how you'd use the jsoncache that way.  Would you have one JSONCACHE entry per picker?
[16:02] <adeuring> abentley: your paste is roughly what I had in mind :) But I would remove a given attribute from the set "attributes" once it is found and terminate the loop when the set "attributes" becomes empty
[16:03] <jcsackett> hm. crap, that's actually fair point. benji suggested it once upon a time, but we were looking at a case with only one picker on the page.
[16:03] <jcsackett> still, i think cleaner form-macro stuff is more in scope for that bug (which i'll be addressing sometime shortly).
[16:03] <jcsackett> in my mind, your suggestion (or other implementations) fall in there.
[16:03] <abentley> jcsackett: Okay, fair enough.
[16:04] <jcsackett> abentley: i may well be pinging you to pick your brain for preimp on that bug, if you're game for it.
[16:04] <abentley> jcsackett: sure.
[16:04] <jcsackett> cool.
[16:07] <abentley> jcsackett: This should have tests, though.  I don't think I can approve it without tests that would fail if the Python True and False were used.
[16:08] <jcsackett> abentley: sure, though i'm not sure how to test this without using windmill or something to do app-server + yui.
[16:08] <jcsackett> abentley: and to my knowledge, we don't have the new implementation for those tests in place yet, do we?
[16:09] <abentley> jcsackett: You should be able to render it and check for the strings, no?
[16:09]  * jcsackett headdesks.
[16:09] <jcsackett> yeah, actually, i can just do a view test.
[16:09] <jcsackett> abentley: i will do that. i'm not sure why i was thinking only YUI stuff. :-P
[16:11] <abentley> jcsackett: At 192 of the full diff, it says "instead if" but should say "instead of".
[16:11] <jcsackett> abentley: ack.
[16:12] <abentley> jcsackett: Your XXX should also follow https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyandProcess/XXXPolicy (currently it lacks a bug)
[16:12] <jcsackett> abentley: so it does.
[16:12] <jcsackett> i'll fix that as well.
[16:13] <jcsackett> in the YUI knowledge sharing thing right now, so changes won't be made until after that.
[16:13] <abentley> Thanks.  Ping me again when it's updated, and I'm sure we can wrap it quickly.
[16:13] <jcsackett> abentley: sounds good, thanks. :-)
[16:26] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #702: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 43 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/702/
[18:06] <cr3> hi folks, has anyone tried building launchpad on oneiric? I'm wondering if you also get this error, probably because of spriteutils: IOError: decoder zip not available
[18:33] <deryck> cr3, I know sinzui runs on oneiric.  I don't know if he had that issues.
[18:33] <deryck> cr3, unfortunately, he's not around this week.
[18:42] <jcsackett> abentley: i have had time to circle back to this mornings review and fix the branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/button-configs-break-pickers/+merge/67047
[18:44] <abentley> jcsackett: ACK.
[18:47] <abentley> jcsackett: r=me
[18:47] <jcsackett> abentley: thanks!
[18:48] <jcsackett> lifeless: ping.
[18:49] <lifeless> hi?
[18:50] <jcsackett> hi, lifeless. i've got a question about how to go about landing my fix branch regarding bug 801388 and bug 806179. yesterday you told me to land with rollback, but wgrant already rolled back that branch.
[18:50] <_mup_> Bug #801388: some person pickers show "assign me"/"remove assignee" when that makes no sense <bad-commit-13334> <disclosure> <person-picker> <qa-bad> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by wallyworld> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/801388 >
[18:50] <_mup_> Bug #806179: PersonPickers broken from bad passed in config <Launchpad itself:In Progress by jcsackett> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/806179 >
[18:51] <jcsackett> so now my branch includes the fixes that wallyworld put in--should i just link it to both bugs and land normally?
[18:51] <lifeless> jcsackett: right, so you can just land normally once you've bypassed the merge.
[18:51] <lifeless> yes
[18:51] <jcsackett> do i need to remove the qa-bad tag on 801388, or will qatagger handle all of that later?
[18:52] <lifeless> we've deployed past it, and its ok (so aren't rolling back)
[18:52] <lifeless> so you can drop the bad-commit tag if you want
[18:52] <jcsackett> ok. thanks.
[18:52] <lifeless> qatagger will replace the qa-bad tag when it sees the commit
[18:52] <lifeless> you can drop it by hand too if you want, but its not needed
[18:52] <cr3> deryck: I finally managed to reproduce on oneiric server but it worked fine on oneiric desktop, strange
[19:20] <lifeless> cr3: missing dep in the brand new world of onei?
[19:21] <abentley> jcsackett: I don't understand the purpose of https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/lpreview-body/body-callback-template/+merge/66125
[19:21] <cr3> lifeless: seems hairier than that, installing ubuntu-desktop didn't solve the problem but I could've sworn spriteutils worked when I installed a fresh desktop
[19:22] <jcsackett> abentley: it may not be a great piece of code--it was my first stab at plugin code. in short, it was to allow a means of specifying a different template for merge proposals than the one that's hardcoded currently.
[19:22] <abentley> jcsackett: Right, but why?
[19:22] <jcsackett> for example, i prefer reST style headers, so i've put together a template that does that.
[19:23] <abentley> jcsackett: We have a standard template that's supposed to be used, and that's what it provides.  If we change to reST headers, then we should update it to use that all the time.
[19:24] <jcsackett> abentley: fair point. i didn't realize the current format was mandated, given many people use different ones. (e.g. sinzui uses one that specifies his rules for a completed branch).
[19:24] <abentley> jcsackett: it may be honoured more in breach than observance, but yes, that's the standard.
[19:25] <jcsackett> abentley: dig. than obviously the merge proposal should not be accepted. :-)
[19:25] <jcsackett> s/than/then/
[19:28] <abentley> jcsackett: thanks.  Rejected.
[19:53] <jcsackett> is there a clear demo of using the expander widget in lp.app.javascript anywhere? i can't find anything that uses it...
[19:53] <jcsackett> but i suspect my grep fu is week.
[19:53] <jcsackett> s/week/weak/
[20:04] <dobey> deryck: boo. my bug is not low. :(
[20:05] <deryck> dobey, then go fix it. We're open source. ;)
[20:06] <deryck> dobey, Seriously, though, I'm sorry this disappoints you. We have way more bugs then we'll ever fix and until this happens more frequently or causes more problems I doubt it will be more than a low bug.
[20:06] <dobey> deryck: if this was the matrix, and i could inject all the knowledge of the launchpad source directly into my skull, i totally would :)
[20:06] <deryck> dobey, fair enough :)
[20:07] <dobey> deryck: well, it actually breaks a feature in tarmac, and therefore blocks branch landing :(
[20:07] <deryck> dobey, sounds like a bug in tarmac to me ;)
[20:08] <dobey> how is launchpad returning bad data, a bug in tarmac?
[20:08] <deryck> dobey, that was largely a joke.
[20:08] <deryck> dobey, though I'm not clear why a person etag matters for landing branches.
[20:09] <dobey> jokes don't work on irc, unless it's "that's what she said" :)
[20:09] <deryck> heh
[20:09] <deryck> dobey, why does tarmac care about the etag?  is it changing something about a person and needs to verify before landing a branch?
[20:10] <dobey> deryck: because we check that people have signed the contributor agreement, via team membership, where cla is required. and lazr.restfulclient checks the etag in its Entry.__eq__ override
[20:10] <dobey> deryck: no, we're not changing the person at all. my bot user doesn't have those privs :)
[20:11] <dobey> but the eq compares self_link, http_etag, and an internal dirty dictionary, and etag being different causes it to fail
[20:11] <dobey> since apparently the person != the person
[20:12] <deryck> dobey, so tarmac code is not referencing the two versions of people, lazr.restfulclient is checking the team member against the person collection for you?
[20:12] <lifeless> dobey: perhaps you could include your sample code?
[20:12] <dobey> well, in tarmac we're getting both objects and just doing ==
[20:14] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/806163/comments/3
[20:14] <_mup_> Bug #806163: Different http_etag for same person resource when accessed via people collection or team object <api> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/806163 >
[20:15] <dobey> the subteam == person there is failing, when it shouldn't be, because of the etag issue
[20:16] <deryck> dobey, so check on ID, not object.  bug in tarmac. ;)
[20:16] <dobey> huh?
[20:21] <deryck> dobey, again a partial joke.  just check on something unique for each user, like self_link or id (if we expose that) rather than doing an object to object comparison.
[20:22] <dobey> well, yes, i could work around it, and have temporarily. but workarounds suck
[20:24] <dobey> but users' accounts being broken is, i think, a more important issue. i'm surprised more people aren't hitting this or similar situations on LP
[20:24] <dobey> although, i don't know why exactly we haven't had an issue until now
[21:08] <wgrant> Morning all.
[21:09] <deryck> Later on, everyone.
[21:14] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #868: STILL FAILING in 6 hr 12 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/868/
[21:56] <jcsackett> later, all.
[22:33] <nhandler> Not sure how many people are subscribed to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but there was just some discussion about possibly getting lintian to be run against ubuntu packages in Launchpad. I just thought it was worth noting here in case anyone with more experience is interested in getting involved in the discussion (although it will probably get brought to your attention soon enough)


[10:16] <Guest21945> hi
[10:16] <Guest21945> how can i change my ck?
[10:16] <Guest21945> nick?
[10:32] <Guest21945> ?
[12:59] <test__> Hi
[12:59] <test__> someone can help me?
[13:00] <test__> nautilus dont work in ubuntu studio?
[13:01] <cfhowlett> test__, it works.
[13:01] <test__> sudo nautilus*
[13:02] <cfhowlett> ?
[13:02] <cfhowlett> no need for sudo to run nautilus
[13:03] <test__> mmmm
[13:04] <test__> i just wan edit my /usr/share/
[13:04] <test__> files
[13:04] <test__> but dont let me......says no permission
[13:04] <cfhowlett> test__, that's different.  and yes, to edit those, you do need to sudo
[13:05] <test__> how?
[13:05] <cfhowlett> gksudo nautilus
[13:06] <test__> gksudo is no installed - _-
[13:06] <cfhowlett> test__, ask in #ubuntu  more people to help
[13:06] <test__> ok thanks
[16:12] <wachin> Hi to all, other day of happy use of UbuntuStudio 13.04
[16:18] <wachin> For if anyone knows how you could put another icon for MIDI files (*. mid. * midi *. kar) that the default, because I use van Basco karaoke Player (with Wine 1.6, qsynth, jack)  and would like to see this program icon (I have the icon ready in png)
[16:19] <wachin> I will tried with asoggiate but not working
[16:19] <wachin> I dont know how to
[16:19] <wachin> I will search on the web but not find a way
[16:23] <wachin> I have this icon /home/wachin/Dropbox/i.imagenes/Iconos/Iconos-de-programas-PNG,-SVG/vmidi_0000.png
[16:41] <zequence> wachin: That link is not going to work here, since it's just the address on your system
[16:42] <zequence> wachin: Changing the icon means you need to change the icon for midi files for the icon theme
[16:42] <zequence> icon themes are at /usr/share/icons
[16:42] <zequence> wachin: It's not like on Windows. On Ubuntu Studio ther icons are from the icon theme, not from the applications
[16:56] <wachin> oh
[16:57] <wachin> great, thanks zequence
[17:03] <wachin> zequence I make my own icon theme https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Humanity-con-UbuntuStudio-Menu-OK.tar.gz
[17:10] <wachin> Here a view of my theme https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Sobre%20mi%20theme%20ubuntustudio/Hice%20mi%20tema%20para%20mis%20necesidades.png
[17:12] <wachin> Zequence I know much of the functioning of icon theme
[17:12] <wachin> I made my own icon theme modified
[17:13] <wachin> But I not know how to add a icon for .mid files
[17:15] <zequence> wachin: I don't know if themes usually have a specific icon for midi files? But, maybe it is possible to change the theme?
[17:17] <wachin> look this Zequence https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Sobre%20mi%20theme%20ubuntustudio/En%20mi%20tema%20aparece%20mp3%20y%20mid%20con%20el%20mismo%20icono.png
[17:17] <wachin> mm, whell
[17:18] <zequence> wachin: Exactly. One file for anything to do with audio or music, so probably you need to create a new category for midi files only
[17:18] <wachin> I don t know if other icon theme have diferent icon for mp3 and MIDI files
[17:18] <zequence> wachin: I don't think so, but not sure
[17:18] <wachin> Ohhhh
[17:18] <wachin> mmmm, is interesting
[17:19] <zequence> wachin: If there is none that have icons for midi files, and you have enough interest, perhaps you could find where the standards are made, and suggest to add a new standard for midi files?
[17:19] <wachin> I go to Google for search "how to create a new category for icon theme files"
[17:48] <wachin> Zequence I found this info very good
[17:48] <wachin> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Sobre%20mi%20theme%20ubuntustudio/oxigen%20kxstudio%20theme%20have%20own%20icon%20for%20mid%20files.png
[17:48] <wachin> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Downloads
[17:49] <wachin> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kxstudio/files/Releases/artwork/kxstudio-artwork_20121222.tar.bz2/download
[17:49] <wachin> In this file are a folder named "icon"
[17:49] <wachin> under that are the folder "oxygen"
[17:50] <wachin> this have the icon theme for "mid" files
[17:50] <wachin> Now I go to change that for the I whant
[17:55] <zequence> wachin: The icon theme in itself is not a part of any distribution
[17:56] <wachin> ups
[17:58] <wachin> Well good bye, I go to lunch
[19:02] <wachin> Hi Zequence, appear to I found the solution https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Sobre%20mi%20theme%20ubuntustudio/DreamStudio%20icon%20theme%20have%20icons%20for%20midi%20files.png
[19:02] <wachin> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=135872
[19:15] <wachin> I will change the icons of DreamStudio of MIDI files with that I want https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Sobre%20mi%20theme%20ubuntustudio/Cambair%C3%A9%20los%20iconos%20de%20midi%20de%20DreamStudio.png
[19:16] <bartje1> hi all, anyone an expert here in firewire audio ? My echo audiofire12 stopped working after an upgrade to 13.10, now back on 13.04, still no firewire...
[19:18] <bartje1> here's the ffado-diag report for the willing
[19:18] <bartje1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6372260/
[19:43] <wachin> Zequence, its working, I can change the icons https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Sobre%20mi%20theme%20ubuntustudio/Working%20change%20icons%20of%20midi%20files%20of%20DreamStudio.png
[19:45] <zequence> bartje1: Did you contact ffado folks?
[19:45] <zequence> bartje1: Check out their mail list. That might prove helpful
[19:46] <bartje1> zequence: they don't respond
[19:46] <bartje1> ok, check mail list
[19:47] <zequence> the mail list is what they use for discussion mostly
[19:47] <zequence> wachin: Nice
[19:47] <wachin> Thanks zequence
[20:36] <Guest29927> Hi, is ubuntu studio a rolling release - or is there a way to upgrade as the releases happen relatively painlessly
[20:36] <wachin> Zequence I update my icon theme for UbuntuStudio, in this theme appear the icon of Van BAsco Karaoke Player on each MIDI file
[20:36] <wachin> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Humanity-con-UbuntuStudio-Menu-OK.tar.gz
[20:37] <wachin> Here a snapshot https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/icons/Sobre%20mi%20theme%20ubuntustudio/Zequence%20thanks%2C%20I%20can%20put%20MIDI%20icon%20to%20my%20icon%20theme.png
[20:38] <wachin> I wrote some word for you under one text file under my icon theme
[20:50] <Guest86893> hello. I'd like to receive some help, please. Skype crashes suddenly and with no reason
[20:54] <Guest86893> is there anybody there?


[00:00] <Shark_friend> i need to go, now
[00:00] <David-A> Shark_friend: you can download 1 image of the backtrack dragon, but I think it is better if you download many dragon images. In case you need icons with different color or background in different places.
[00:00] <Shark_friend> nice to meet you
[00:00] <Shark_friend> : )
[00:00] <David-A> good luck :)
[00:09] <Debela-KURCINA> Hello!
[00:10] <Debela-KURCINA> i have some questions?
[00:10] <pleia2> ask away :)
[00:10] <Debela-KURCINA> i had a many problems with ubuntu, and this xubuntu is based on it.
[00:10] <Debela-KURCINA> should i try it or...?
[00:11] <pleia2> this is the support channel for xubuntu, if you have questions about ubuntu you'll want to ask them in #ubuntu
[00:11] <pleia2> (or use one of the other support outlets like ubuntuforums.org or askubuntu.com)
[00:11] <Debela-KURCINA> no no
[00:11] <Debela-KURCINA> i want to try
[00:11] <Debela-KURCINA> xubuntu
[00:11] <Debela-KURCINA> but i dont know can i
[00:12] <Debela-KURCINA> bcs xubuntu is based on ubuntu
[00:12] <Debela-KURCINA> ....
[00:12] <Nick___> Yo Debeli
[00:12] <pleia2> what problems are you hoping to avoid by trying xubuntu?
[00:12] <Debela-KURCINA> problems with screen, freeze, restart.
[00:12] <Debela-KURCINA> and freeze player.
[00:12] <Nick___> He have amd graphics and amd based motherboard
[00:13] <Debela-KURCINA> yes,
[00:14] <pleia2> if it's a problem with 3d acceleration using xubuntu could help since it doesn't require it for a standard install
[00:14] <pleia2> but that's a huge "if"
[00:14] <Nick___> He have freeze problem on login page
[00:14] <Nick___> Mouse and keyboard unable to work...
[00:14] <Debela-KURCINA> and ubuntu was so slow...10 mins opening software center....also problems on login page...yes..
[00:14] <pleia2> ah, we use the same login software as ubuntu
[00:14] <Nick___> Wjole sisetm freeze
[00:15] <Debela-KURCINA> then i must try slackware?
[00:15] <Nick___> also problems with software center are persistable...
[00:15] <pleia2> probably worth asking in an Ubuntu support area about how to actually solve the problem rather than just switching to another distro, could be you just need a new graphics driver installed
[00:16] <Debela-KURCINA> i asked them but their community
[00:16] <Debela-KURCINA> says im noob.
[00:16] <pleia2> not sure wat you mean by that, but you might want to try on askubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org, and be sure to say what graphics card you're using
[00:17] <Debela-KURCINA> ok.
[00:17] <Debela-KURCINA> i have Radeon 7970 in warranty
[00:18] <Debela-KURCINA> good night X
[00:41] <BillyZane> hello.
[00:41] <BillyZane> your desktop crashes on me.
[00:42] <BillyZane> i was in codeblocks, i had modified a code outside codeblocks. it asks me to do some sort of update. i go sure. bam. crashes
[00:42] <BillyZane> i had to do a hard reset
[00:42] <BillyZane> this happens like once every 2 or 3 weeks
[00:42] <BillyZane> unacceptable
[00:42] <BillyZane> why ?
[00:42] <ochosi> not sure what you're saying
[00:43] <ochosi> !codeblocks
[00:43] <ochosi> hm, ubottu doesn't know anything about codeblocks either...
[00:43] <BillyZane> it's a program that lets you code in C
[00:43] <BillyZane> its in the repository
[00:43] <ochosi> right
[00:44] <ochosi> no clue though how that programme is related to "some sort of update" and i don't know _what_ "crashes"
[00:44] <BillyZane> well, you can modify code in that program
[00:44] <BillyZane> it's an IDE
[00:44] <ochosi> yeah, i realize that
[00:45] <BillyZane> so i modified it outside of codeblocks
[00:45] <BillyZane> that is to say, i sometimes use SSH to log in to my computer
[00:45] <BillyZane> and from SSH i used vim to modify the code
[00:45] <ochosi> ok
[00:45] <BillyZane> when i go back in to codeblocks, it's all, "yo, it code changed outside codeblocks. wana update?"
[00:46] <ochosi> right, so it wants to reload the local file
[00:46] <ochosi> sounds reasonable
[00:46] <BillyZane> yup
[00:46] <ochosi> (or one might even say: good)
[00:46] <BillyZane> at that point, xubuntu desktop froze
[00:47] <BillyZane> control alt delete worked
[00:47] <BillyZane> but outside of that, it was dead
[00:47] <BillyZane> im new to linux by the way
[00:47] <ochosi> right
[00:47] <ochosi> if you care about that IDE, file a bugreport about it
[00:47] <BillyZane> ok
[00:47] <ochosi> the best thing is if you file it at their bugtracker
[00:47] <ochosi> but don't expect this to be fixed asap
[00:48] <ochosi> cause fixing implies you can provide backtraces of why/how it crashes
[00:48] <ochosi> the alternative is to use an IDE that doesn't crash/lock your desktop
[00:48] <ochosi> (there are quite a few others)
[00:49] <BillyZane> so i guess it was the IDE then
[00:49] <BillyZane> sorry for blaming xubunut
[00:49] <BillyZane> :(
[00:49] <ochosi> no problem
[00:49] <ochosi> but if it only happens in this context then the first culprit to blame will always be the app
[00:50] <BillyZane> for sure
[00:50] <ochosi> but you can try to run the programme with gdb from the commandline
[00:50] <BillyZane> you know what else doesn't work well? chromium
[00:50] <ochosi> if you're a coder then trying to get backtraces won't be too hard for you
[00:50] <BillyZane> gdb?
[00:50] <ochosi> it's a debugging programme
[00:50] <BillyZane> i'm not, i'm a n00b
[00:50] <ochosi> a-ha
[00:50] <BillyZane> i'm the worst programmer on this network
[00:51] <ochosi> there are ppl who don't really do coding (like yours truly)
[00:51] <BillyZane> at least in ##c
[00:51] <ochosi> is that a language i don't know?
[00:51] <BillyZane> it's C
[00:51] <ochosi> or the successor of c#? ;)
[00:51] <BillyZane> lol
[00:51] <BillyZane> hahah
[00:51] <ochosi> okies
[00:51] <ochosi> well it's all opensource
[00:51] <BillyZane> for sure
[00:52] <ochosi> so you can try to even fix that bug yourself
[00:52] <ochosi> theoretically
[00:52] <BillyZane> i could. one day
[00:52] <ochosi> depends on how comfortable you are reading other ppls code
[00:52] <ochosi> etc
[00:52] <BillyZane> probably not today
[00:52] <ochosi> hehe
[00:52] <ochosi> yeah, probably not
[00:52] <ochosi> btw, how does the desktop crash exactly?
[00:52] <BillyZane> i'm rather busy at the moment. i've squandered so much time
[00:52] <BillyZane> well
[00:52] <David-A> BillyZane: just a question, is the file that you are editing in the IDE that it wants to re-read, on a remote file-system or on the local harddisk?
[00:53] <BillyZane> i clicked and immediately after clicking, it was a complete lock, outside of CTRL-ALT-DEL and CTRL-ALT-F#
[00:53] <BillyZane> local hard disk
[00:53] <ochosi> k
[00:53] <ochosi> sounds harsh for an IDE to lock down X11
[00:53] <ochosi> but it can happen with any app theoretically
[00:53] <BillyZane> i got a lot to learn
[00:54] <BillyZane> i'm reading a linux book
[00:54] <ochosi> it's not a fully fledged IDE, but you can try geany
[00:54] <ochosi> it's lightweight and nice for coding
[00:54] <BillyZane> geany eh. i'll look in to that
[00:54] <BillyZane> i sorta like codeblocks though :(
[00:54] <ochosi> (although "lightweight"... there are ppl who advocate geany-light)
[00:54] <BillyZane> but maybe this one will be better
[00:54] <BillyZane> checking out screen shot
[00:55] <BillyZane> it looks pretty good
[00:55] <BillyZane> i presume it is in the repository
[00:56] <ochosi> yeah, i just checked their website
[00:56] <ochosi> it's written in c++
[00:56] <BillyZane> i love linux. man i was really stunned when i saw the repository in action
[00:56] <ochosi> and it supports gdb (http://www.codeblocks.org/features)
[00:56] <ochosi> so have fun googling your way around gdb to getting a backtrace ;)
[00:56] <BillyZane> i did an apt-cache search, it's in there :D
[00:57] <ochosi> (disclaimer: open terminal, run "gdb $appname", then "run", then "bt" after it crashes)
[00:57] <BillyZane> installing
[00:57] <ochosi> yeah, geany is nice, and from my experience it's rather stable
[00:57] <ochosi> hm, codeblocks still uses svn
[00:57] <BillyZane> oh, i recognize gdb now. gdb is part of the "g package" , like gcc , etc. gdb debugs
[00:58] <BillyZane> never used it exclusively
[00:58] <BillyZane> i think though, it is activated when using gcc no?
[00:58] <BillyZane> svn?
[00:58] <BillyZane> is that a different debugging tool?
[00:58] <BillyZane> oh wow, geany really is light weight
[00:58] <ochosi> svn is a version-control software, like git
[00:58] <BillyZane> it looked instantly
[00:59] <ochosi> sure, that's how it's _supposed_ to be anyway ;)
[00:59] <BillyZane> err. loaded
[00:59] <ochosi> yeah, i assumed that much
[00:59] <BillyZane> i gotta head for work soon
[00:59] <BillyZane> i work in a shoe store
[00:59] <ochosi> you mean like al bundy?
[01:00] <BillyZane> haha
[01:00] <BillyZane> yeah
[01:00] <ochosi> (or are you too young for this kind of pop-cultural reference)
[01:00] <ochosi> obviously not :)
[01:00] <nikolam> why xubuntu desktop install needs 4.3GB, when in uses less after install. GUI installer just dumbly refuses to install if there is less on disk.
[01:00] <BillyZane> i love that show
[01:00] <ochosi> well have fun and see you around
[01:00] <BillyZane> no wait, i can still chat
[01:00] <BillyZane> it takes me about 25 minutes to drive there, i still got an hour
[01:00] <BillyZane> and i'm dressed
[01:00] <ochosi> nikolam: ubuntu and xubuntu use the same installer (ubiquity)
[01:01] <ochosi> nikolam: that might be part of the problem
[01:01] <nikolam> and alternate install is no more. so xubuntu suffer from ubuntu slaws
[01:02] <recon_lap> a 4.3 gb drive being the other
[01:02] <nikolam> it is logical, who am i to complain.
[01:02] <David-A> BillyZane: when I google ' codeblocks freeze ' i find some reports similar to your problem. have you checked them?
[01:02] <BillyZane> David-A: actually, i haven't. i can't believe that :(
[01:02] <ochosi> nikolam: you can always install ubuntu-minimal/server and then install xubuntu-desktop...
[01:03] <nikolam> ochosi, i just did that this evening, and after that 12.10 failed to boot.
[01:03] <nikolam> i added xubuntu-desktop during install.. and no boot.
[01:04] <nikolam> i could try with minimal install. and after booting adding xubuntu desktop
[01:04] <ochosi> yup
[01:04] <nikolam> but i think i was already doing it at least once, few montths ago.
[01:05] <nikolam> no other, but to try again
[01:05] <ochosi> did you file a bugreport?
[01:06] <nikolam> not yet, but bugs don't get fixed untill next release anyway
[01:06] <David-A> BillyZane: if google didn't help please come back. if it helped, please come back anyway, and tell us how you fixed it, or just chat a little.
[01:06] <nikolam> think gonna sleep and do it all over again with minimal.
[01:07] <ochosi> nikolam: k, good night and good luck
[01:07] <BillyZane> David-A: to be honest, I believe you. If you say codeblocks causes that error, then I'll probably just stop using it. It's not that big a loss, because I was suggested an alternative, which is geany. To be honest, I rather prefer the light weight IDE's, which is what attracted me to codeblocks in the first place. given that geany appears even lighter, i'm delighted :). thank you, and i will return
[01:10] <BillyZane> i'm having green tea with lemon. it's quite good
[01:10] <David-A> BillyZane: I didn't tell you not to use codeblock. If there is an easy fix, please try it. Otherwise try something else.
[01:10] <BillyZane> for sure
[01:10] <David-A> I had green tea with lemon an hour ago. I like it too.
[01:10] <BillyZane> haha, really?
[01:11] <BillyZane> i like to put a lot of lemon, half a lemon per cup
[01:11] <David-A> Yea, before that Earl Grey
[01:11] <BillyZane> nice. i've only had earl grey once
[01:12] <David-A> BillyZane: you're a connesour, I just had a tea bag with all the tastes in it from the factory.
[01:12] <BillyZane> haha
[01:13] <BillyZane> i think it goes very well with lime juice
[01:13] <BillyZane> though i've been using lemon lately
[01:14] <BillyZane> it's ironic because i've always hated green tea that comes in the can
[01:14] <BillyZane> but i gave the fresh brewed variety a try and i realized what the big deal was
[01:16] <BillyZane> do you like black tea?
[01:17] <David-A> I thought adding the lime or lemon myself would be unnecessary extra work, almost like compiling a kernel or something, when someone else already have done it for me :)
[01:17] <BillyZane> haha
[01:18] <BillyZane> that's one way to look at it
[01:18] <BillyZane> and if you enjoy the flavor, well i suppose it's not worth the hastle
[01:19] <BillyZane> hassle
[01:19] <BillyZane> have you ever tried making lemonade ?
[01:19] <BillyZane> water + fresh lemon juice + sugar + ice
[01:20] <BillyZane> it's very cheap and extremely good
[01:20] <BillyZane> did you know lemon trees fruit year round? you'd always have a fresh supply of lemons
[01:20] <BillyZane> i gotta go to work now
[01:21] <BillyZane> thanks for the help David-A  and ochosi
[01:21] <BillyZane> i'll see you later
[01:21] <David-A> there is concentrated lemonade you just add water, I like them
[01:21] <ochosi> yw, and hf
[01:21] <David-A> good luck with the ide
[01:21] <BillyZane> you gotta try the real stuff David-A !
[01:21] <BillyZane> thanks
[01:21] <David-A> I will
[01:22] <David-A> we can talk about wild berries another day
[02:11] <Guest80561> Hi. So I burned a live CD and I changed my boot order
[02:11] <Guest80561> And the Xubuntu menu came up.
[02:12] <Guest80561> I tried both the install Xubuntu and try it without installing
[02:13] <Guest80561> but all I am getting is a blank cursor
[02:13] <eduardo> Hello!
[02:13] <David-A> Guest80561: depending on hardware it can take seconds or minutes. how long did you wait?
[02:14] <eduardo> I'm not speak english! I'm from Brazil!
[02:15] <David-A> hello eduardo, I saw you yesterday (yo vista ti dia antes (?))
[02:15] <eduardo> I'm speak Portuguese Brazil not Español!
[02:15] <eduardo> :D
[02:16] <eduardo> Alguém aqui fala português?
[02:16] <eduardo> I'm need help with Xubuntu!
[02:17] <eduardo> Ops! I need help with Xubuntu!
[02:17] <well_laid_lawn> there's !pt or !br if that'll help
[02:17] <well_laid_lawn> !br
[02:18] <eduardo> ubottu: Thanks!
[02:19] <David-A> eduardo: you can try english here, we will be glad to help, or you can try portugese in the #ubuntu-br channel, they may be able to help with Xubuntu too.
[02:20] <eduardo> The Brazilian community can not help me!
[02:20] <eduardo> How do I upgrade the kernel?
[02:21] <eduardo> Someone?
[02:21] <David-A> eduardo: upgrade kernel would be the same procedure in ubuntu and xubuntu.
[02:23] <David-A> eduardo: exactly what do you mean by upgrade kernel? normally when a new kernel is available, it will be updated automatically when you run the Update Manager.
[02:24] <well_laid_lawn> you can have a look in backports for a new kernel
[02:25] <eduardo> Is that my version do kernel it is outdated! The version do kernel in site (kernel.org) is 3.7 and the my is the 3.5
[02:27] <eduardo> Sorry my English! I'm from Brazil and not speak English fluently!
[02:30] <well_laid_lawn> eduardo:  xubuntu doesn't release a new kernel just because there is one
[02:30] <well_laid_lawn> they make sure it is stable which means waiting a bit
[02:35] <David-A> eduardo: do you NEED kernel 3.7 ? (necesidad o just curioso?)
[02:38] <eduardo> yes
[02:39] <eduardo> Someone know where find a course of English? (laughs)
[02:40] <well_laid_lawn> eduardo:  you can get the sources for the newest kernel and build it yourself
[02:40] <well_laid_lawn> !compile
[02:40] <well_laid_lawn> !kernel
[03:28] <inahd> could someone tell me... how i could access the filesystem from a live usb install, from my regular install?
[03:29] <inahd> it has been encrypted on my usb
[03:29] <inahd> methinks
[06:54] <WiredOnLinux> hello
[06:55] <WiredOnLinux> how long does it take for xubuntu 12.04 alt. to install on 512 MB of RAM and 1.8 GHz AMD processor?
[06:56] <baizon> im not sure, 30 min aprox?
[06:56] <baizon> depends on HDD too
[06:58] <koegs> and USB-Stick or CD-Rom as Source
[07:00] <WiredOnLinux> CD-ROM
[07:01] <WiredOnLinux> its going on 30 minutes and its on select and install software
[07:01] <WiredOnLinux> 48 %
[07:03] <WiredOnLinux> its a hp pavilion ze4325us
[07:03] <WiredOnLinux> not sure on the hard drive
[07:03] <bazhang> let it run
[07:03] <WiredOnLinux> ok
[07:04] <bazhang> thats a very small amount of ram
[07:04] <WiredOnLinux> does it auto restart?
[07:04] <bazhang> so it will take some time
[07:04] <WiredOnLinux> ok
[07:04] <bazhang> it will ask you to do so
[07:04] <WiredOnLinux> ok
[07:04] <WiredOnLinux> so I can leave it and it will shutdown, or does it make you rpess enter?
[07:04] <WiredOnLinux> press*
[07:05] <bazhang> it will go to sleep until you return to press restart
[07:05] <WiredOnLinux> ahh ok, I will have my parents do it
[07:05] <WiredOnLinux> ok thanks for your time bazhang
[07:06] <bazhang> np
[07:06] <HonestAbe> howdy chaps
[07:06] <bazhang> hi
[07:06] <HonestAbe> i've got a bizarre problem, my themes are no longer applied
[07:06] <HonestAbe> until i restart my computer
[07:07] <HonestAbe> unless I change the theme under window manager settings, but then it only(obviously) affects window manager stuff
[07:07] <HonestAbe> while the panel remains stubborn
[07:07] <bazhang> depends on how extensive the theming is
[07:07] <HonestAbe> not extensive at all
[07:07] <HonestAbe> vanilla themes
[07:08] <bazhang> if its like a Macbuntu thing I could see a restart being necessary
[07:08] <HonestAbe> not macbuntu either
[07:09] <HonestAbe> and the bizarre thing is that if i do xfce4-panel -r
[07:09] <HonestAbe> the theme remains unchanged, so if anyone could give me a pointer on where to look, that would be fantastic
[07:10] <Unit193> You are changing it under Settings Manager > Appearance, right?
[07:11] <HonestAbe> correct
[07:12] <Unit193> Version of Xubuntu?
[07:13] <HonestAbe> Hmmm, it's telling me I'm running Ubuntu 12.10
[07:14] <HonestAbe> but I migrated it to xubuntu
[07:14] <HonestAbe> perhaps that's my problem?
[07:15] <Unit193> Mine says that too, Ubuntu is the core.  Did you use !purexfce ?  And what happens if you nuke ~/.cache and move (backup) .config?
[07:15] <Unit193> I have no issues doing what you're trying to do, just did it when I updated my theme.
[07:15] <Unit193> Is the theme gtk3 and 2 compatible?
[07:16] <HonestAbe> i have nuked my config already
[07:16] <HonestAbe> and the theme is vanilla
[07:16] <HonestAbe> it was working
[07:16] <HonestAbe> until recently, and I'm not exactly sure what broke it
[07:17] <HonestAbe> and it's not just one theme, it's every theme
[07:19] <HonestAbe> alright, prior to nuking .cache, should I back it up? or is it as disposable as the name implies?
[07:21] <HonestAbe> brb, restarting
[07:26] <HonestAbe> none of that fixed it
[07:30] <HonestAbe> any further suggestions unit193?
[07:34] <Unit193> You are running with xfwm4, thunar, xfce4-session, xfdesktop, and all?
[07:34] <HonestAbe> I am
[07:34] <Unit193> Maybe try restarting those, but I don't know as I've never had any issue like that.
[07:35] <HonestAbe> yeah
[07:35] <HonestAbe> now it's working
[07:35] <HonestAbe> didn't restart them
[07:35] <HonestAbe> not sure what happened
[07:35] <HonestAbe> possibly voodoo?
[07:36] <Unit193> Ah, was going to say try moving ~/.gtkrc-2.0, but alrightyo.
[07:36] <HonestAbe> yeah, i don't even have .gtkrc-*
[07:36] <Unit193> Heh.
[07:38] <HonestAbe> I'm darn near perplexed
[07:38] <Unit193> But, if it works...
[07:40] <HonestAbe> I guess I need to make more sacrifices in the name of Baron Samedi
[09:13] <Cubi_> Hello world!
[09:13] <Cubi_> I have a question for Xubuntu
[09:13] <Cubi_> Can I have Open Office on Xubuntu ?
[09:13] <koegs> yes
[09:14] <Cubi_> Thanks
[09:14] <Cubi_> How to download ?
[09:15] <Cubi_> (sorry for my english)
[09:15] <koegs> Cubi_: just use the software center and install libre office
[09:15] <Cubi_> libre office = open office ?
[09:16] <koegs> basically, yes
[09:16] <Cubi_> Ok Thanks :D
[09:16] <deejayldn> sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[09:17] <deejayldn> it is basically the same as Open Office
[09:17] <deejayldn> You could always just use AbiWord that is already installed with Xubuntu for word processing though
[09:18] <deejayldn> if you need a spreadsheet program try gnumeric
[09:18] <Cubi_> I download on software center
[09:18] <deejayldn> sudo apt-get install gnumeric
[09:18] <deejayldn> yes, yoiu can get both from software centre
[09:19] <Cubi_> I install xubuntu yesterday
[09:19] <deejayldn> yoiu = you
[09:19] <deejayldn> great, it's an excellent OS
[09:20] <Cubi_> I use Xubuntu for my study
[09:21] <Cubi_> It's fast OS
[09:21] <deejayldn> nice, it is a very fast and stable operating system
[09:21] <Cubi_> yes :)
[09:22] <Cubi_> Thanks for Help :D
[09:22] <deejayldn> you're welcome
[09:23] <Cubi_> You speak French ?
[09:23] <deejayldn> not really, sorry
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> there is a french channel
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> !fr
[09:24] <Cubi_> thanks never use IRC before ^^
[09:24] <well_laid_lawn> you can reach the french channel ok Cubi_ ?
[09:25] <Cubi_> ok thanks I will go
[09:25] <deejayldn> have fun with Xubuntu!
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> don't have to...
[09:25] <Cubi_> Thanks all !
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[10:38] <sealman> hai everybody ..
[10:38] <sealman> i wanna add arabic to my xubuntu. what can i do?
[10:44] <deejayldn> Arabic keyboard layout?
[10:45] <Malsasa> deejayldn: yes, he want to change easily into arabic layout.
[10:47] <deejayldn> Click the Xubuntu Logo in the top left
[10:47] <deejayldn> Settings manager
[10:47] <deejayldn> Keyboard
[10:47] <deejayldn> Layout
[10:47] <deejayldn> Click the Add button
[10:48] <deejayldn> and then select arabic from the list
[10:48] <deejayldn> does that work for you?
[10:50] <deejayldn> sealman / Malsasa does that work for changing your keyboard layout?
[10:51] <Malsasa> deejayldn: thank you, let my brother sealman try it :)
[10:52] <deejayldn> no problem, let me know if you need more help
[10:53] <Malsasa> deejayldn: wow, please keep this so kind support for further newbies like us... thank you...
 i dont find arabic to be marked, just russian and english..
[11:08] <Shark> is there some one  line ?
[11:08] <sealman> i
[11:09] <moetunes> Shark:  Hi what's up?
[11:09] <sealman> hi ... can you help me?
[11:09] <Shark> Nice,
[11:09] <Shark> yes, i think
[11:10] <sealman> ubuntu 12.04 and then i installed XFCE. in unity there is arabic but in XFCE i dont find it..
[11:10] <Shark> Man, how i change the rat icon, i'm thinking in replace it to a backtrack icon, ?
[11:10] <Shark> Restart it,
[11:11] <sealman> i dont understand...
[11:11] <Shark> what ?
[11:11] <sealman> restart it?
[11:12] <Shark> moetunes : how i can change the icon ? idon't like the rat icon
[11:12] <moetunes> sealman:  there was no choice for arabic in the keyboard layout settings?
[11:12] <sealman> moetunes: yeah...
[11:12] <moetunes> Shark:  which icon where?
[11:12] <Shark> there is,
[11:13] <Shark> the icon of the rat, in the task bar and again the icon of the rat that shows in the login
[11:13] <Shark> i wan't replace it, to the backtrack icon.
[11:14] <Shark> reinstalling it , moetuns
[11:14] <moetunes> Shark:  right click the ion in the taskbar - what's in the menu?
[11:15] <Shark> i'm mean, all the icon i don't like the mascot of xubuntu, i want replace it
[11:15] <Shark> all the icons, of the rat.
[11:16] <moetunes> you can edit the icon theme and chage it there
[11:16] <Shark> do you know some tutorial ?
[11:17] <Shark> Do you know backtrack icon, the dragon .
[11:17] <Shark> so, i want just replace the icon, and the theme when i login in my xubuntu. take out the rat's icon
[11:18] <knome> it's a mouse.
[11:18] <Shark> yeah, the mouse icon
[11:18] <Shark> i want replace put the backtrack icon
[11:19] <Shark> i don't like that mouse icon, the mascot of xubuntu, ii just want replace to a backtrack icon
[11:20] <Shark> Someone, know ?
[11:21] <knome> !patience | Shark
[11:23] <Shark> May you answer my questions ?
[11:23] <knome> Shark, did you read what i told ubottu to tell you?
[11:25] <Shark> :(
[12:02] <sealman> anyone there?
[14:30] <xubuntu036> hi there... i have the latest xubuntu installed on a mac mini. since the last update (new kernel included) i have no mouse and keyboard anymore! and there is no sshd enabled :( any idea what happened and how to solve this? thanks
[14:40] <ncmcxx> I have two internet connections on xubuntu how do I get access the second one ocassionally?
[14:40] <GridCube> xubuntu036, first you can start with an older kernel by choosing one on the grub stage
[14:41] <GridCube> ncmcxx, you have an icon of an antenna,or two arrows in the plugins indicator, click it to see your options
[14:41] <xubuntu036> gridcube, thanks! of course.... thats a good start :)
[14:41] <ncmcxx> yes ifconfig says both devices are connected to the internet
[14:42] <ncmcxx> netstat -r shows traffic going through one interface
[14:44] <GridCube> ncmcxx, there you can disable one or the other as you need them (though i've found that disabling one rants it useless till the reboot)
[14:44] <ncmcxx> i am trying to access both at same time
[14:45] <ncmcxx> so that other devices on network can access one or the other through this device
[14:45] <GridCube> mmhm
[14:45] <GridCube> each device should have its own ip then
[14:45] <xubuntu036> sadly, it did not help
[14:45] <GridCube> xubuntu036, older kernel didnt help?
[14:46] <xubuntu036> on boot prompt, keyboard is there
[14:46] <xubuntu036> no
[14:46] <ncmcxx> yes each device has its own ip...
[14:46] <xubuntu036> new udev package maybe?
[14:47] <GridCube> don't really know xubuntu036 :(
[14:47] <GridCube> sorry
[14:47] <Shark> hello
[14:48] <GridCube> !hi | Shark
[14:48] <xubuntu036> hm... at least i can access the FS from os x
[14:48] <Shark> someone knows how to change the mouse icon, i mean the mascot of xubuntu i want replace it to backtrack icons
[14:49] <GridCube> xubuntu036, may this help you? http://askubuntu.com/questions/127410/upgrading-to-ubuntu-12-04-loses-keyboard-and-mouse
[14:50] <GridCube> right clic on it, go to its settings, change icon
[14:51] <GridCube> ncmcxx, sorry i dont understand your problem
[14:51] <Shark> and how i change the icon thats shows when i turn on my computer
[14:51] <xubuntu036> the problem is i have no ssh on this machine... no access at all. maybe i try rescue mode
[14:51] <Shark> it shows the mouse icons too
[14:52] <GridCube> xubuntu036, if you can access the fs from osx, you dont need ssh
[14:52] <Shark> can i switch put just the theme of backtrack ou other theme, when starting
[14:52] <Shark> is it possible
[14:52] <ncmcxx> on xubuntu, I have two interfaces and two internet connections two ipaddress netstat -r shows traffic routed through eth0 is it possible to attach a proxy to wlan0 and make that internet connection available over the network?
[14:53] <xubuntu036> but i can not change packages from os x
[14:53] <xubuntu036> just edit files...
[14:53] <xubuntu036> maybe i can enable sshd and then reboot?
[14:55] <GridCube> xubuntu036, have you tried booting into recovery mode?
[14:56] <GridCube> ncmcxx, https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qzCFkmvojFMJ:ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1373049+&cd=1&hl=es&ct=clnk&client=ubuntu
[14:56] <GridCube> sorry for the link the forums are down
[14:57] <ncmcxx> its ok i noticed the forums were down too
[14:57] <GridCube> Shark, once you choose a theme it stays like that
[14:57] <ncmcxx> ty, will read hope it helps
[14:58] <GridCube> Shark, if you want to change the lightdm theme you need to find one that suits you, i dont know how to edit them to change the icos
[14:58] <Shark> :(
[14:58] <Shark> can you send to me some link of some tutorial ?
[14:59] <GridCube> there are none
[14:59] <GridCube> lightdm its a mistery, wrapped on an enigma, hided in xml and javascript code
[15:00] <xubuntu036> i booted into rescue mode. there i selected fix broken packages (i guess there went something wrong wihth dbus/udev whatever) this didnt work because network was enabled. i choose enable network - now it hangs wiht the message "loaded 20 plugins" :(
[15:01] <GridCube> xubuntu036, did you first logged as root?
[15:01] <GridCube> Shark, you can look at this http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=5
[15:02] <Shark> thanks
[15:02] <ncmcxx> thanks gridcube, looks like i have another day of reading to do :/
[15:02] <xubuntu036> i dont understand... rescue menu runs as root i guess?
[15:02] <ncmcxx> take care all
[15:03] <GridCube> ncmcxx, thats the life of a sysadmin
[15:03] <GridCube> nope
[15:03] <GridCube> xubuntu036, believe it or not, you need to mount first
[15:03] <GridCube> i have no idea why that is like that
[15:04] <xubuntu036> fs was mounted r/w
[15:04] <Shark> do you have some idea, how change it in login, some video please
[15:05] <Shark_> Some one,
[15:05] <Shark_> help me
[15:05] <GridCube> !patience
[15:05] <GridCube> Shark, i already gave you an answer
[15:06] <Shark_> please, send to me a video
[15:06] <One-Man-Bucket> hi
[15:06] <Shark_> i am new using xubuntu
[15:06] <Shark_> i just want replace the icon, and the icon of the mouse when i started my xubuntu
[15:06] <One-Man-Bucket> i have a problem with nvidia drivers and latest xubuntu, the window manager starts up fine, but there is a small overlay in the top left corner of my left screen that shows the blinking cursor from the text mode console
[15:08] <GridCube> Shark_, thats not easy to do, there is no video
[15:08] <Shark_> :(
[15:08] <Shark_> Is possible to me find some one that can do it ?
[15:09] <GridCube> if you find a theme for lightdm you like, you can easily choose it to use it, if you dont then you will have to learn to modify the theme to your likings, http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=5
[15:09] <GridCube> no one will do one just for you
[15:09] <Shark_> you know a tuto more easy ?
[15:09] <GridCube> thats pretty easy
[15:10] <Shark_> not to me,
[15:10] <GridCube> in fact thats the first time i see it explained so simply
[15:10] <Shark_> something done, more easy ?
[15:10] <xubuntu036> SOLVED! it was a corrupted udev rule file.. there was a message in the boot.log. thanks gridcube, for your help!
[15:10] <GridCube> :3 w00t!
[15:10] <GridCube> :D
[15:10] <xubuntu036> hehe :)
[15:10] <xubuntu036> bye. have a nice day!
[15:11] <GridCube> you to
[15:25] <lolcat> Hello
[15:25] <lolcat> Can I make focus on mouseover in xfce?
[15:30] <GridCube> yes
[15:35] <lolcat> GridCube: How?
[15:37] <GridCube> go to the settings manager, find the windows manager settings, go to the focus tab, choose "focus follos the mouse"
[16:22] <zAo^> Hello all. Is there a working global menu plugin?
[16:24] <baizon> zAo^: no
[16:24] <zAo^> thanks baizon
[16:24] <baizon> zAo^: https://launchpad.net/xfce4-appmenu-plugin
[16:25] <baizon> but i dont think it works
[16:26] <zAo^> 2011 last updated.. hmm. Thanks!
[16:46] <Shark_> Hello, everybody
[16:46] <baizon> hi Shark_
[16:46] <Shark_> Hi,
[16:47] <Shark_> Nice to meet you
[16:49] <baizon> nice to meet youuuu... and hes gone
[16:53] <xubuntu965> hey guys , someone uses the tp-link wn722n  wireless adapter  ??
[17:54] <xubuntu006> c'è qualcuno che parla italiano?
[17:54] <holstein> !it
[17:55] <xubuntu006> ok sorry!
[17:55] <GridCube> :D
[17:55] <baizon> np
[17:55] <xubuntu006> #ubunto-it
[17:56] <holstein> xubuntu006: /join #ubuntu-it should work
[17:56] <GridCube> /j #ubuntu-it
[18:10] <xubuntu826> hello
[18:10] <baizon> hi xubuntu826
[18:11] <xubuntu826> is xubuntu installation cd a live cd also?
[18:11] <xubuntu826> and does it has gparted?
[18:12] <baizon> xubuntu826: yes and no
[18:12] <xubuntu826> what you mean?
[18:12] <koegs> gparted is on the live cd, iirc
[18:12] <baizon> is it?
[18:12] <zorgborg> koegs: i intended to use gparted on it last week and couldnt find gparted at all
[18:12] <xubuntu826> koes on xubunto.org there is only one image for 32 bit. Is it a live cd also?
[18:13] <zAo^> just install it through apt?
[18:13] <baizon> xubuntu826: like i said, installation cd equals live cd
[18:13] <xubuntu826> ok, ty
[18:13] <baizon> and i dont think there is gparted on the livecd
[18:13] <baizon> but you can install it
[18:14] <xubuntu826> baizon: there is not a linux system installed on that pc yet
[18:14] <xubuntu826> i need it to partition the disk before installing any os
[18:14] <baizon> xubuntu826: you can install a program on the livecd
[18:14] <zAo^> Thats OK, you can install software during the live session
[18:14] <xubuntu826> ah ok
[18:14] <xubuntu826> ty
[18:15] <zAo^> np
[18:15] <baizon> xubuntu826: the installation process contains a partitioning tool
[18:15] <zorgborg> xubuntu826: the installation cd will partition it for you when you install xubuntu alongside it
[18:15] <zAo^> And I guess thats just Gparted2 ;)
[18:15] <baizon> xubuntu826: so you dont need gparted, while installing a nice partitioning tool will appear :)
[18:17] <xubuntu826> ok but i need to install windows first so i should begin ubuntu installation process, then stop it after the disk partitioning and then install windows. It should work... i thing
[18:17] <xubuntu826> or i just run the live cd, install gparted ad use that
[18:18] <zAo^> Why not install Windows (and use its installer to create a small partition and install Linux later?
[18:18] <zAo^> On the other part of the disk
[18:19] <xubuntu826> because that is an old laptop wich has a recovery partition or something like that and i would like to clean everything
[18:19] <zAo^> ah: start the xubuntu installer first then ;)
[18:19] <zAo^> of just use cfdisk...
[18:19] <zAo^> pretty easy
[18:19] <xubuntu826> good idea, cfdisk :)
[18:21] <koegs> baizon: i am pretty sure about gparted on the live-cd :)
[18:21] <xubuntu826> i will look for that too
[18:25] <David-A> xubuntu826, baizon: yes, gparted is already installed when running the live cd (xubuntu 12.04 and many other).
[18:35] <baizon> ok, if you say so. I thought is was removed due needed space
[18:39] <zorgborg> David-A: ive got the liveCD running on my netbook, gparted is not in the application menu, you can go to main menu settings and select it to be visible, but this doesn't actually work, typing it into application finder does zilch, only works from command line
[18:41] <David-A> I ran "Try Xubuntu" with xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso in a virtual machine, I saw gparted in the system submenu.
[18:41] <Cheri703> couldn't you just install it if it isn't showing up? it doesn't really matter if it's installed by default...
[18:43] <David-A> Cheri703: yes you can install it. (requires internet of course, and not too little available ram)
[18:43] <Cheri703> zorgborg: might try alt f2 and type gparted?
[18:45] <zorgborg> Cheri703: yup that works, only with sudo though
[18:45] <Cheri703> it would, you have to authenticate to run gparted even if you click from the launcher
[18:46] <zorgborg> Cheri703: i forgot that, got used to parted magic livecd recently, makes one forget :)
[18:47] <Cheri703> :)
[18:49] <David-A> zorgborg: strange, here application finder finds gparted, and it starts when i select it. also, in previsous versions of ubuntu and xubuntu, gparted has always been on the live cd when I have needed it.
[18:59] <zorgborg> David-A: is there anything i could be doing wrong? im typing in gparted into applicatino finder, it does nothing so i press enter, nothing, change main menu settings so that it should be visible there, doesnt make it visible. pretty odd :/
[19:03] <David-A> zorgborg: I'm running xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso in a virt.machine. I cannot believe virt or not would matter. Can 32 or 64 bit matter, what packages are on the live cd?
[19:05] <manicmac> How can I get a fresh sources.list and gpg keys?
[19:06] <David-A> zorgborg: (theoritizing, that 64 bit packages may be a little bigger, so they may have to prioritize harder?) (just a theory, I could have googled for facts)
[19:06] <manicmac> I am on 12.10 64bit   fyi
[19:09] <manicmac> k then.
[19:10] <David-A> manicmac: come back! there is a "restore" button in system>softwaresources>authentication
[19:16] <zorgborg> David-A: ive tried it thoroughly just now with the 32-bit version, and in the 64-bit i couldnt find gparted in the menu so i presume same issue
[19:22] <eduardo> Hello!
[19:22] <eduardo> Good Afternoon!
[19:24] <eduardo> I'm learning English! I'm from Brazil.
[19:29] <zorgborg> hey eduardo what's your question?
[21:13] <srbin> hey guys
[21:13] <srbin> i have a wustion
[21:14] <srbin> where does xubuntu 12.04 save my files transferred via bluetooth?
[21:14] <holstein> srbin: i would assume just in ~/ somewhere
[21:15] <srbin> what does  mean
[21:15] <srbin> is that the home folde?
[21:16] <holstein> srbin: why not just search by filename?
[21:16] <srbin> how do i search? catfish is reporting a crash
[21:16] <srbin> ?
[21:17] <David-A> srbin: what search method in catfish crashed?
[21:18] <David-A> srbin: you can search with "find" in a terminal, example:  find -iname "madonna.mp3"
[21:18] <baizon> srbin: locate for example
[21:20] <srbin> thanks david!!!!!
[21:20] <srbin> :D
[21:20] <srbin> made it work
[21:20] <srbin> !
[21:32] <xubuntu766> hello,
[21:32] <xubuntu766> I'm a complete newbie to linux
[21:33] <xubuntu766> I downloaded ubuntu 12.10 and tried the trial...I found it to be terribly slow so I tried to download xubuntu
[21:34] <xubuntu766> when trying to download xubuntu it fails everytime
[21:34] <Unit193> How so?
[21:34] <Unit193> Are you on Windows or linux?   Do you have a bittorrent client you can use?
[21:35] <xubuntu766> while it's downloading near the end, I get "echoué"
[21:35] <xubuntu766> I'm using windows and live in France
[21:36] <holstein> xubuntu766: and bittorrent is available?
[21:37] <xubuntu766> hello?
[21:37] <Unit193> So I take it you tried one from ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.xubuntu.com/releases/12.10/release/ ?
[21:37] <knome> !patience | xubuntu766
[21:37] <xubuntu766> I'm not sure
[21:37] <holstein> xubuntu766: yes.. can you use bittorrent?
[21:38] <xubuntu766> don't really know how to use bittorrent
[21:38] <xubuntu766> i downloaded utorrent
[21:39] <holstein> xubuntu766: bittorrent is a alternate method of downloading that might help you get a clean download
[21:39] <xubuntu766> How would I go about using bittorrent please?
[21:41] <holstein> xubuntu766: http://www.tecmint.com/xubuntu-12-10-desktop-quantal-quetzal-linux-installation-guide/
[22:23] <xubuntu051> hello
[22:24] <xubuntu051> xubuntu 12.10 support the trim?
[22:24] <David-A> BillyZane: I have bought home lime *and* lemon, in 2 minutes the tea is ready, what do you suggest I try first?
[22:45] <Pupeno> Hey… what's the proper UI way of changing the password of the current user?
[22:51] <David-A> Pupeno: System>Users and groups by Password click Change