 @bdju [lack of tab key on the keyboard is killing me], just tap for auto complete (tab) os built into gesture
 @arthurabdulin [Hello All! My battery drains overnight with 4G on.  … Could you share your batter …], keep any apps open for video sites? some of them have implemented screen keep awake, maybe prevent sleep
[01:45] <ubptgbot> <Scott R> I'm trying to get ready for my PinePhone. Is there a way to back up contacts in UBP?
 yep, select a contact by long hold (from within contacts app) then hit top button check box for select all, then hit the three circle 'share' button, select file manager to get the contacts file in folder of choice
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[02:41] <ubptgbot> <Scott R> I think that worked, thank you
[02:53] <ubptgbot> Jamila Abbiasa was added by: Jamila Abbiasa
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], this indeed works better, no more glitchy display issue although the hexgl game is still slow which was playable before on oxide
[04:27] <ubptgbot> ichiro_zero was added by: ichiro_zero
 @Javacookies [this indeed works better, no more glitchy display issue although the hexgl game …], you were able to get that to work? I have had zero luck trying that (haven't tried it lately)
 is there a kindle app for UT? I thought there was but I dont see it in openstore (or Im blind)
 @Shakendo [you were able to get that to work? I have had zero luck trying that (haven't tri …], yes, but it's really slow and the whole system slows down with it 😅
 @Shakendo [is there a kindle app for UT? I thought there was but I dont see it in openstore …], you mean some kind of a reader? … isn't the highlighted app exactly that?
 @Javacookies [yes, but it's really slow and the whole system slows down with it 😅], hmm, I should try it on my note 4, Ive been told it seems faster than pinephone
 @Javacookies [you mean some kind of a reader? … isn't the highlighted app exactly that?], well I have a bunch of books with amazon kindle, Id like to get those on UT
 @Shakendo [hmm, I should try it on my note 4, Ive been told it seems faster than pinephone], I don't think you can, only the pinephone uses wayland which qtwebengine can run with acceleration
 prob not, but the only way to know for aure is to try it
[04:35] <ubptgbot> Anurag Mishra was added by: Anurag Mishra
 @dohbee [it can be built as a click separately for testing, but it doesn't replace the sy …], Thanks for clarification.
 @mateosalta [its the only one on wayland], Ok, thanks.
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[05:30] <ubptgbot> W6580KR Lombi was added by: W6580KR Lombi
 @Shakendo [is there a kindle app for UT? I thought there was but I dont see it in openstore …], It was a webapp and I unpublished it, because it didn't work reliably anymore and haven't had the time to look into it.
[07:23] <ubptgbot> Herbstfreud was added by: Herbstfreud
 Hello! :) … I have Ubuntu Touch installed on my Nexus 5. But when I turn off the display, the display is not really "off", it's just a black screen but the background lights are still on... Is this a bug or is there something wrong just on my device?
 @Herbstfreud [Hello! :) … I have Ubuntu Touch installed on my Nexus 5. But when I turn off the d …], I noticed this but it seems to only happen when Unity8/Lomiri just started
 On my device the display is on all the time...
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[08:07] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Pinetab Community Edition is now available for pre orders: https://store.pine64.org/?product=pinetab-10-1-linux-tablet
 @Herbstfreud [On my device the display is on all the time...], I see, mine turns off fine when I press the power button
 @Steve Kueffer [Pinetab Community Edition is now available for pre orders: https://store.pine64. …], wow nice one
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 @Javacookies [I see, mine turns off fine when I press the power button], Do you also have a Nexus 5?
 @Herbstfreud [Do you also have a Nexus 5?], yes, I'll check again and see thoroughly 😁
 @mateosalta [yep, select a contact by long hold (from within contacts app) then hit top butto …], 👍
 @Herbstfreud [Hello! :) … I have Ubuntu Touch installed on my Nexus 5. But when I turn off the d …], Just tested on my freshly installed UBPort on my Nexus 5. Screen really turns off when I press the power button.
 @Steve Kueffer [Pinetab Community Edition is now available for pre orders: https://store.pine64. …], While the phone is interesting (despite $5 chip), the tablet doesnt make much sense, as you can buy a windows tablet and put ubuntu in it
 @Anghirrim [Just tested on my freshly installed UBPort on my Nexus 5. Screen really turns of …], Ok, as soon as I have time again I'll try to reinstall the whole system... Don't know what exactly went wrong.
 Or can I find out this somehow?
 Hi I can get to Redmi 5 plus (yes this one https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/vince/ ) I just want to know how fine is it working (protentional daily driver when ignoring that camera is not working? )
[09:15] <ubptgbot> <Mike C> I am going to be honest I am almost more interested in the pinetab than the pinephone. It's a beautiful piece of hardware.
 Does UBPorts need the UBports recovery to apply updates?
 I mean... I flashed UBPorts on my Nexus 5. Then flashed back TWRP.
 TWRP is able to backup and restore UBPorts
 (Which a feature that lacks the UBPorts recovery)
 Can I keep TWRP, or will it be a problem while running UBPorts upgrade?
 The following artifacts have expired and are no longer able to be downloaded.
 any idea what to do
 (Photo, 1600x795) https://irc.ubports.com/vY1JEoBc.png
[09:44] <ubptgbot> kenshirokbk was added by: kenshirokbk
 @Steve Kueffer [Pinetab Community Edition is now available for pre orders: https://store.pine64. …], oh that's tempting
 It seems that on edge, on my Nexus 5, echoing a valid value (0 to 32) to /sys/class/backlight/lm3630/device/lm3630_level actually changes the backlight brightness, but changing the value of /sys/class/leds/lcd-backlight/brightness does nothing
 @Anghirrim [Does UBPorts need the UBports recovery to apply updates?], OK, had an OTA, answer is no. 😂
 @average_italian [While the phone is interesting (despite $5 chip), the tablet doesnt make much se …], That is true, and it might even be an adequate experience. But I have found that Ubuntu Touch really shines as a tablet OS because the absence of all the popular messaging and social media apps in the mainstream is less of an issue.
[11:24] <ubptgbot> davidbe was added by: davidbe
 And also some (many) people doesn't want to bother with "putting ubuntu on a windows tablet" or doesn't want to give money to Microsoft by buying a windows tablet.
 So it's good to have an Ubuntu Touch tablet.
 [Edit] So it's good to have an Ubuntu Touch tablet for sale.
 @Steve Kueffer [Pinetab Community Edition is now available for pre orders: https://store.pine64. …], Just pre-ordered mine. Hope the low ram is not a big problem and am curious to see how Ubuntu touch works on it.👍
 @Niggolas [Just pre-ordered mine. Hope the low ram is not a big problem and am curious to s …], Marius has a video of it and that one only has 1 GB of RAM if I'm not mistaken
 @Javacookies [Marius has a video of it and that one only has 1 GB of RAM if I'm not mistaken], I have seen that. Seems promising
 it is indeed 😁
 Same SOC and PineTab screen has less pixels than PinePhone screen so there's no need to worry.
 Hey quick question: How do I add and use snap packages on Ubuntu Touch?
 @Comrade_Nora [Hey quick question: How do I add and use snap packages on Ubuntu Touch?], you can't yet
 Yet?????
 Can you use regular Debian ARM packages?
 only on Libertine
 Considering that many applications do not fit the phone.
 @TigranKhachatryan [Yet?????], I believe flatpak and snap is planned in the future
 @Javacookies [I believe flatpak and snap is planned in the future], Wow!
[13:58] <bdju> my channel keeps going back to stable when I set it to development, and it's not downloading the development stuff.
[13:58] <bdju> on the pinephone
[13:59] <bdju> is there a cli method to change this and update?
[14:04] <bdju> the terminal preferences screen is totally unresponsive. I was gonna try to find a way to zoom out so more fits on the screen, but I can't change font or anything or even back out. had to open the slide out bar thing to get out
 When I was translating it, it seemed that the terminal was very customizable
 Strange
[14:11] <bdju> my inputs were just being rejected, it's surely some sort of bug
[14:11] <bdju> I keep wishing there was a way to go "back" or "home" from anywhere. I've ended up on a screen where the back arrow doesn't show up at least once
[14:12] <bdju> and then even if I change apps, if that app was settings or something it stays stuck on that screen when I go back to it. I have to close and re-open it.
 Terminal settings is a known issue https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues/39
[14:12] <bdju> oh, nice. thank you.
[14:16] <ubptgbot> <Asraf - Littradex Support Canuck> (Photo, 517x758) https://irc.ubports.com/8o7I2teI.png
 @bdju [I keep wishing there was a way to go "back" or "home" from anywhere. I've ended …], I installed "Launcher modular" and the home button works with it
 If you do have a home button
 @TigranKhachatryan the PinePhone does not have a home button
 Big sad
[14:20] <bdju> yeah... my first phone without capacitive buttons
 Additionally the home button opens the Drawer
 Well, I use a port so I'll just shut my mouth
 I succumbed to temptation and pre-ordered the pineTab with the keyboard
 Hello everybody! I'm porting ubports to asus zenfone 6 and I have a question. Is it a good practice to use Erfan's generic systemimage or it's recommended to build own (I'm asking because my systemimage [doesn't build](https://gitlab.com/vtsoft/halium-i01wd/-/blob/master/error_sysimage.txt))?
 I'd also recommend to ask it in Halium group
 I see you're there
 @ArubIslander [It was a webapp and I unpublished it, because it didn't work reliably anymore an …], ahh, ok, so Im not as crazy as I feared
 Screen Casting your UT device to your computer — UBports documentation … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html
 ??
 That's cool actually
 @dohbee   Can this be used as an alternative to Miracast?
 Screen Casting your UT device to your computer — UBports documentation … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html
 Oh Miracast
 When I didn't have a smart TV
 I connected an HDMI cable to my TV
 And to my computer
 There was some HTTP screenshare
 I used that
 [Edit] http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html#via-network
 Tbh, it was faster than Miracast
 @TigranKhachatryan [Tbh, it was faster than Miracast], The Network screen share?
 Yup
 Cool, may have a try tonight
 But... This requires to have a running host...
 And would converged apps realize they are casted?
[15:00] <ubptgbot> Петр Руденко was added by: Петр Руденко
 I mean, auto resize thanks to Convergence
 It is like screen record sadly
 Don't know how it reacts on UBPorts if you're going to use that
 Crap
 BTW, I did not find how to import .vcf files into the contacts app
 Neither on the phone, and the documentation...
 Is it possible?
 Idk
 Maybe you can use Google takeout and add a Google account?
 If it works for me it didn't
 @Anghirrim [BTW, I did not find how to import .vcf files into the contacts app], Open them with the File Manager and select the contacts app
 @UniversalSuperBox [Open them with the File Manager and select the contacts app], Oh I will do that today too then
 @Anghirrim [I mean, auto resize thanks to Convergence], Yes, apps on an external display will resize appropriately
 Whether the external display is wired or wireless
 @UniversalSuperBox [Open them with the File Manager and select the contacts app], Cool thanks
 @UniversalSuperBox [Whether the external display is wired or wireless], OK, this is valid with slimport, MHL, Miracast. … So you're saying it will also work with the built in screen casting option?
 mirscreencast is just for recording the screen
 @UniversalSuperBox [mirscreencast is just for recording the screen], OK, so no Convergence resizing with mirscreencast, even if we don't choose output to a file
 Only Miracast or wired connection then... (Trying to find an effective solution for my OP3)
 Will it be possible to run nexflix through the browser at any stage?
 Is there a way to set the keyboard to dvorak?
 @Qiangong2 [Is there a way to set the keyboard to dvorak?], I'd Google "Dvorak UBPorts" first
 But I think not
 @dynasty17 [Will it be possible to run nexflix through the browser at any stage?], Wasn't there a web app?
 There is a dvorak keyboard layout for English
 @TigranKhachatryan [I'd Google "Dvorak UBPorts" first], Apparently there is, but I can't figure out where to enable it
 Oh, cool!
 Press and hold the Language button then go to settings
 Unless I'm just blind in settings
 Oh
 Thanks!
 @TigranKhachatryan [Wasn't there a web app?], Not for viewing, just for organising account.
 Oh ok
 I don't use it so idk
 @Anghirrim [@dohbee   Can this be used as an alternative to Miracast?], no
[15:25] <bdju> I'm using dvorak on ubports. the name of teh layout was weird, but it's there. en-dv or something like that
[15:25] <bdju> it would be cool to see colemak and workman layouts added as well
 @dohbee [no], Thanks
[15:50] <ubptgbot> Justine Smithies was added by: Justine Smithies
[16:32] <ubptgbot> RealLifeDog was added by: RealLifeDog
[17:08] <ubptgbot> <Carlo Cataneo> (Photo, 721x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Vf908CtX.png
[17:08] <ubptgbot> <Carlo Cataneo> Just insolled
[17:09] <ubptgbot> <Carlo Cataneo> Nexus 5
[17:10] <ubptgbot> <Carlo Cataneo> Very nice I am happy. Thanks Ubuntu Touch, Ubport...
[17:11] <ubptgbot> <Carlo Cataneo> [Edit] Just installed
[17:15] <ubptgbot> MrAjiUki was added by: MrAjiUki
 Welcome to the party :)
 welcome
 Hey guys! I installed Ubuntu touch on my device, but touch isn't working. Anyone knows what could be the reason ??
 what device? and what isn't working exactly?
 @dohbee [what device? and what isn't working exactly?], Realme 3 pro (RMX1851). I booted successfully, but on the select language screen (1st screen at boot), the screen was not responding to any touches. Erfan said there is some kernel issue
 that is not a supported device. if you're porting it, you should ask questions about it in https://t.me/halium probably
 @dohbee [that is not a supported device. if you're porting it, you should ask questions a …], Oh okay, thanks 👍
[18:29] <ToxicGumbo> I understand the philosophy of not allowing icons outside of the vertical dock and app drawer, but for folks like me who live if grouped apps, is there any way to add drawers to the dock?
[18:29] <ToxicGumbo> Where grouped app shortcuts can live?
[18:30] <ToxicGumbo> “Live in grouped apps”. iOS folders to be specific.
[19:08] <bdju> how can I change to the development channel and check for updates via the terminal? the updates section of settings is not working well for me at all
[19:09] <bdju> https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/switchchannel.html found this page but it only says the graphical method
[19:12] <bdju> the os update that should exist isn't coming through
[19:16] <bdju> I found the update button in the about section which got me excited, but no luck still
[19:16] <bdju> unless maybe I'm somehow up-to-date without realizing it
[19:17] <bdju> my version says Ubuntu 16.04 (2020-06-08)
[22:47] <goddard> hi
[22:47] <goddard> does unity 8 work on the desktop at all?
[22:47] <goddard> or does ubports not work on that?


[00:03] <tgm4883> ianb65: which menu buttons?
[00:03] <tgm4883> ianb65: The ubuntu spash screen is an artifact of the nvidia driver on mythbuntu installs
[00:09] <ianb65> The top menu bar and drop down menus are all effected.
[00:11] <ianb65> tgm4883 - with the splash screen - if I installed with oss driver then changed to nvidia after install would it keep the mythbuntu splash then ?
 - have you configured the backend and added the tuner cards ? Did you channel scan and get channels ?
[00:17] <tgm4883> ianb65: no, we need to look into how Kubuntu does it
[00:22] <ianb65> tgm4883 - is there something you want me to do or to try ? As it is frontend only, I boot off CF card so easy to swap cards and try things. :-)
[00:41] <tgm4883> ianb65: No, we really need to go ask the kubuntu devs first
[00:42] <tgm4883> but there are other bugs we need to squash first
 Thanks. understand it is not core functional. It works as a front-end still. :-)
[20:46] <t0mahawk> With the mythbuntu 14.04, when I turn off my TV (just the TV) and turn it back on, the myth system has completely disabled the display in (nvidia).  The only way to bring it back is to restart lighted....has anyone else experienced this?
[21:08] <jedix> no.
[21:12] <sabhain> how does one control the time that the guide starts at when opening the guide from live TV?
[21:13] <sabhain> Is there a setting to determine this time?  Any way to tweak it?  Earlier versions of myth (0.25) defaulted to the beginning of the current half hour.  Now my system is shifting to the beginning of the show being watched.
[21:14] <sabhain> It's frustrating the wife and decaying WAF if she's watching a long show, and turns on the guide and it's 2 hours old data
[21:14] <sabhain> there must be a setting / option somewhere?  Is it in the backend?
[21:18] <jedix> I think that's in the settings.. but I have not looked at it because I rarly watch live tv
[21:18] <sabhain> the odd thing for me is that if I go to the settings / guide .. etc, the page shows (Page 1/2) at the top, but there's only one page.
[21:20] <jedix> that is odd.
[21:21] <sabhain> I'm wondering if my theme choice might screw with the setup menus.
[21:25] <jedix> that's something to try


[09:12] <cjwatson> mapreri: Done.
[10:45] <free> cjwatson: hey there, around? I'd have a question about scalability off PPAs (I think you already talk about that with Adam Collard, so I just want to make sure I have all facts)
[11:27] <cjwatson> free: Ask away
[11:28] <free> cjwatson: I know it was mentioned that for private PPAs there is a known scalability issue around fs contention of .htaccess
[11:29] <free> cjwatson: I'd like to know there are any known issues of plain PPAs (or possibly a private PPAs whose authentication is proxied but some external frontend, so the private PPAs would just get a bunch of requests from one user/pw, even tho that's multiplexed transparently by the proxy)
[11:31] <cjwatson> free: Well, they're hosted on a single server, so there's that.
[11:32] <cjwatson> free: If you're expecting to deploy sources.list entries for a PPA to $LOTS of users, it's probably wise to mirror it somewhere that you can scale up
[11:33] <free> cjwatson: ah well, that has a flip side. If you mean that *all* ppas in LP are hosted by a single server (apache serving static files I guess), that alone is probably a proof that it scales to a size that is already reasonable to us
[11:34] <cjwatson> free: Apache static, yes.  It's mostly OK, although we do occasionally hit problems when say the big libreoffice PPA updates and flatlines our network
[11:34] <cjwatson> free: Generally as far as downloads from public PPAs are concerned we saturate the network first
[11:34] <free> cjwatson: okay, it sounds like it'd be good enough for a start, and we could take measure only if we do see issues
[11:35] <cjwatson> free: Private PPAs will have TLS overhead, but that's probably not too awful these days
[11:35] <free> cjwatson: that's good, it probably means it would be conceivable to put more servers (perhaps backed by some sort of network fs)
[11:35] <cjwatson> free: We have plans for that, although not with a networked filesystem
[11:36] <free> cjwatson: I was wondering if you'd be interested to get a couple of Landscape folks work or helping solving the .htaccess issue with Private PPAs (essentially moving the lookup to the db). If it makes sense.
[11:37] <cjwatson> free: (probably at least a year out though realistically - the design is only at the block-diagram level)
[11:37] <free> cjwatson: yeah, I don't think it will be a problem in that time frame, realistically (and perhaps not even later)
[11:37] <cjwatson> free: Possibly, yes.  I think what we'd want in terms of infrastructure would be a WSGI thing that can plug into Apache at the authnz level.
[11:38] <free> cjwatson: right, sounds good
[11:38] <free> cjwatson: okay, we'll reason about that, but from the outlook I'd expect that we'd want to come back to make that concrete, as the alternative of proxying the private PPAs seems a hack and waste of work
[11:39] <cjwatson> I agree.
[11:39] <cjwatson> It's definitely something we'd like to fix in a way that isn't terrible.
[11:40] <cjwatson> I think when I last looked it didn't seem terribly easy to hook a WSGI thing in at the right layer, but I don't remember very clearly and besides I might have missed something.
[11:40] <cjwatson> We'd obviously then also need to make sure that the actual authorizer implementation is doing a very fast query.
[11:41] <free> cjwatson: I'm not sure of the details, but seems they could be worked out. Worst case bypassing WSGI
[11:41] <cjwatson> But that should be easy by comparison.
[11:41] <free> cjwatson: right, it'd need benchmarks
[11:41] <cjwatson> Well, EXPLAIN ANALYZE anyway
[11:43] <ackk> cjwatson, any specific reason you'd want WSGI rather than mod_authn_dbd?
[11:46] <cjwatson> ackk: Would strongly prefer to have it talking directly to our database in the usual way (i.e. with Storm) rather than having to do it through an entirely separate codebase.  This means that e.g. we get all our usual oops infrastructure when things go wrong, we have caching, quoting, etc. behaviour that we're used to, and so on.
[11:46] <ackk> cjwatson, I see
[11:48] <cjwatson> https://modwsgi.readthedocs.io/en/develop/user-guides/access-control-mechanisms.html is a thing, so it's probably doable with WSGI.
[18:02] <tumbleweed> what does it mean when a build fails without a log? https://launchpad.net/~stefanor/+archive/ubuntu/pypy/+build/9897779
[18:10] <dobey> tumbleweed: crashed before logs were created or similar types of errors. a retry should work
[18:12]  * tumbleweed does so
[19:44] <lazyPower> I have a project that was self-registered by the contributors of the charm, is there any chance we can 'administratively add' charmers as an admin of this group? https://launchpad.net/~midonet-charmers
[19:49] <dobey> lazyPower: i think not really (the owner could just remove the team if it was forcibly added). seems like you should discuss that with that team's owner instead of trying to use admin force to accomplish it
[19:50] <lazyPower> ah good point. Will go that route
[20:32] <lifeless> rbasak: thanks


[01:42] <AryanT> Hi Documentation Team! (evilnick, degville, pmatulis and davidcalle)
[03:19] <balloons> wxl, thanks :-) I do remember, but it was last year! :p
[03:19] <wxl> balloons: don't make me slap you :)
[05:35] <omairqazi> hi
[05:39] <daniellimws> hi
[05:45] <omairqazi> wxl there?
[06:23] <Accelerator> wxl: Hello....are you free now?
[09:51] <popey> Hiya.
[11:54] <omairqazi> hi''
[11:54] <omairqazi> hi
[11:54] <daniellimws> hi
[11:55] <m4sk1n> hi
[12:01] <omairqazi> hi Accelerator
[12:01] <omairqazi> popey flexiondotorg there?
[12:01] <popey> hello
[12:01] <omairqazi> popey https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/configure-repo-for-automatic-publishing-into-edge-on-commit/3383
[12:01] <Accelerator> omairqazi: Hi there
[12:02] <popey> omairqazi: can you change the category to the store category please
[12:04] <omairqazi> ok popey done
[12:05] <omairqazi> popey i am trying to register the snap name instantnews but today it is giving me a different error "registration failed". earlier error was "snap name is already taken"
[12:06] <popey> right, what does it say to do next?
[12:06] <popey> (You need to do this before the store team can transfer it)
[12:06] <omairqazi> popey nothing it just says failed. what should i do?
[12:07] <popey> https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/register-snap/?name=instantnews
[12:07] <popey> go there
[12:08] <popey> attempt to register it there
[12:08] <omairqazi> popey https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26312607/
[12:08] <popey> huh, interesting
[12:09] <popey> ah, someone else has it already
[12:10] <omairqazi> popey i did so. now it says pending name dispute reviews
[12:10] <omairqazi> popey i did so. now it says pending name dispute review
[12:11] <popey> hang on. let me look into this
[12:11] <omairqazi> ok
[12:11] <omairqazi> popey i did it in the mornig
[12:11] <omairqazi> morning
[12:11] <popey> https://github.com/shivam043/instantnews has it registered
[12:12] <popey> so we need to change tack
[12:12] <popey> I will reply on the forum.
[12:12] <omairqazi> popey ok
[12:14] <popey> replied, thanks. Sorry for the confusion!
[12:19] <omairqazi> popey its ok. so i have to make a pull request to https://github.com/shivam043/instantnews
[12:24] <omairqazi> popey uploads are diabled
[12:24] <omairqazi> disabled
[12:35] <omairqazi> popey https://github.com/shivam043/instantnews/pull/21
[12:42] <omairqazi> popey why all my posts are flagged on the snapcraft forum
[14:10] <daniellimws> heber, hi, I've made the changes as asked for, are you free to have a look?
[14:25] <m4sk1n> when will some new tasks be added? (somebody said that it’s a good idea to make tutorial tasks based on tutorial requests) :)
[14:34] <heber> daniellimws, sure
[14:44] <Accelerator> But i don't want more tutorials :(
[14:44] <m4sk1n> why, Accelerator? :P
[14:47] <Accelerator> m4sk1n: No offense to anyone...but i find them a little boring.
[14:49] <m4sk1n> But they are really useful for users
[14:50] <Accelerator> I understand but what's the point of putting all the tutorials in a single year for GCI?
[14:51] <Accelerator> we have like a dozens of tutorials pending lol
[14:51] <m4sk1n> there are lots of non-tutorial taske
[14:51] <m4sk1n> s/taske/tasks/
[14:51] <snake69> hi
[14:57] <Accelerator> m4sk1n: Not for me :)
[15:16] <daniellimws> m4sk1n: trying out riot :)
[15:19] <m4sk1n> :)
[15:22] <daniellimws> ahh man got kicked off the leaderboard already
[15:24] <kyrofa> daniellimws, time to crank out some snaps?
[15:26] <daniellimws> kyrofa: I did some of the follow snap creation tutorial tasks, once my current task is approved I'll just submit them and climb back up
[15:26] <kyrofa> daniellimws, are the mentors for the task being responsive?
[15:26] <omairqazi> hi
[15:26] <daniellimws> kyrofa: yea just got a review 2 hours ago. waiting for my next one
[15:27] <kyrofa> Very good
[15:27] <omairqazi> i am facing some problem while building an electron snap
[15:28] <daniellimws> kyrofa: by the way, have you tried building the snap for coala that I linked few weeks back?
[15:29] <kyrofa> Ah, I forgot about it over the holidays, actually :(
[15:30] <daniellimws> kyrofa: haha it's ok :) holidays are more important
[15:32] <omairqazi> wxl tsimonq2 there?
[15:36] <daniellimws> omairqazi: what problem are you having?
[15:36] <daniellimws> same thing we had last time?
[15:36] <omairqazi> daniellimws: sorry not electron it is nodejs
[15:39] <daniellimws> omairqazi: is it the follow nodejs snap creation tutorial task?
[15:41] <omairqazi> no
[15:44] <omairqazi> i am trying snap this package
[15:45] <omairqazi> https://github.com/cookiengineer/git-ddiff
[15:45] <omairqazi> but whenever i run the command i get an error https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26313564/
[15:45] <omairqazi> please see daniellimws
[15:46] <omairqazi> elopio there?
[15:51] <daniellimws> omairqazi: according to this, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40421825/how-to-use-object-values-on-server-side-in-node-js/40422171
[15:51] <wxl> ok i'm here i'm here what's up people?
[15:51] <daniellimws> it is a very new feature, perhaps check your node version again?
[15:51] <daniellimws> or use a vm as wxl suggested
[15:51] <omairqazi> ya i will do that
[15:51] <omairqazi> :)
[15:52] <omairqazi> wxl please take a look at my submission https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5390375717961728/
[15:55] <omairqazi> elopio there?
[15:56] <omairqazi> daniellimws: thanks for telling me it is a version issue
[15:56] <omairqazi> when i looked into the parts folder of my snap
[15:56] <daniellimws> omairqazi: solved it?
[15:56] <omairqazi> i found the the nodejs plugin installs v6 node
[15:56] <omairqazi> and this feature needs v7
[15:56] <daniellimws> oh
[15:57] <omairqazi> i will file a bug
[15:57] <elopio> hello omairqazi
[15:57] <omairqazi> thanks again bro
[15:57] <daniellimws> sure no problem
[15:57] <omairqazi> elopio snapcraft plugin nodejs installs v6 node
[15:57] <elopio> yes, you can use node-engine to choose a different version
[15:58] <elopio> snapcraft help nodejs
[15:58] <omairqazi> so while snapping a nodejs snap i get this error elopio https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26313564/
[15:58] <omairqazi> oh thanks elopio
[15:58] <omairqazi> then no need to file a bug right?
[15:59] <elopio> no
[16:00] <omairqazi> elopio can you please tell me how to use plugin specific keywords
[16:00] <elopio> just put them inside the part section.
[16:00] <omairqazi> ok
[16:00] <omairqazi> thhanks
[16:01] <elopio> omairqazi: https://github.com/Storj/storjshare-daemon/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L20
[16:02] <omairqazi> thanks elopio
[16:07] <daniellimws> heber, hi are you free to look at my merge request? hopefully I can get this approved before sleep so that don't need to wait another day
[16:28] <omairqazi> i installed a snap but whenever i run it it says command not found
[16:32] <daniellimws> check if its in /snap/bin?
[16:35] <omairqazi> no i just restarted the terminal and it worked thanks anyway
[16:36] <daniellimws> oh lol
[16:38] <omairqazi> elopio popey finally i registered the name upstream name and now i dont need to prefix my name
[16:41] <wxl> budgie ISO QA task is now a non-beginner https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/5865742723448832/
[16:44] <omairqazi> thanks for the info wxl
[16:45] <wxl> and now xubuntu https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/4876280774262784/
[16:47] <wxl> and ubuntu https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/6236497185341440/
[16:47] <konrad11901> That's really, really great!
[16:47] <konrad11901> :)
[16:48] <konrad11901> oh and by the way, wxl
[16:48] <wxl> and mate https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/6042166826631168/
[16:48] <wxl> hm wonder if that link is wrong for ubuntu
[16:49] <wxl> nope it's right
[16:49] <wxl> phew
[16:49] <konrad11901> I'm doing this task about improving Lubuntu bug reports, but the problem is that many bugs marked as "New" are quite old (some of them are even a few years old). Can I select a bug which is, let's say, one year old?
[16:52] <wxl> sure, konrad11901. check to see if it applies to the current release. if so you can probably assume (although it's best to check) it applies to every release since the one originally reported. if it doesn't apply to the current release, does it apply to any other *SUPPORTED* release? if not, it can basically be marked as fixed, since we won't fix issues on non-supported releases.
[16:52] <konrad11901> Ok, thanks for explaining!
[17:00] <wxl> may i just say in general what a delight it has been, so far, to work with you all? i do hope to see your smiling f̶a̶c̶e̶s̶ emojis around here more often once gci is over
[17:03] <daniellimws> wxl: it's great to be able to learn so much in such a short period and know everyone here
[17:03] <daniellimws> by the way, how did you make the cancellation
[17:04] <wxl> ah you mean the strikethrough?
[17:04] <wxl> it's unicode
[17:04]  * wxl is a hardcore unicode geek, so be forwarned
[17:04] <wxl> there are a variety of unicode characters that aren't meant to stand on their own but meant to be combined with other characters
[17:04] <wxl> they're called "combining diacritics"
[17:04] <daniellimws> ah my friend told me once
[17:04] <wxl> this, U+0336 is one of them
[17:05] <daniellimws> this also allows for different emoji colours right?
[17:05] <wxl> yes
[17:05] <wxl> well, it's not exactly the same but it's applied similar
[17:06] <wxl> but here's an interesting example ☺⃞
[17:06] <wxl> that might display funky depending on your font
[17:07] <omairqazi> wxl: i agree with daniellimws. i learned so much in such a short period of time. thank you mentors and everyone here
[17:08] <daniellimws> yup I just see a square next to the smiley emoji
[17:08] <wxl> it should be on top
[17:08] <wxl> again, font issues
[17:08] <wxl> but you can, for example, add accents to your favorite emoji
[17:08] <wxl> 💩̀
[17:09] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combining_character
[17:09] <wxl> have fun :)
[17:09]  * m4sk1n uploaded an image: Screenshot_20180103-180924.png (189KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/jkxRGixIxxAFVlZHWGhffTcv>
[17:11] <Accelerator> i have a emoji cheatsheet lol
[17:11] <Accelerator> 😀😀
[17:12] <wxl> emoji cheatsheet? that's no fun. use the compose key!
[17:12] <daniellimws> what compose key
[17:13] <wxl> well close enough i guess m4sk1n :)
[17:14] <m4sk1n__> kenvandine: I don't understand something related to appstream
[17:14] <wxl> daniellimws: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
[17:15] <wxl> so for example, i do Alt : ) and get ☺
[17:16] <daniellimws> oh something I need on my computer definitely
[17:16] <wxl> it comes out of the box with a set of predefined keybindings, but you can make your own, for whatever you want
[17:17] <daniellimws> cool
[17:18] <wxl> for example
 <X> <X>                     : "☠"   U2620   # SKULL AND CROSSBONES
[17:18] <wxl> that's in my .XCompose XD
[17:18] <wxl> i also really like vertical ellipsis
[17:18] <wxl> ⋮
[17:19] <wxl> and of course, lambda. λ λ λ
[17:23] <m4sk1n> there should be task to create valid testcase for Lubuntu Alternate (no network)
[17:23] <wxl> m4sk1n: i agree. make @tsimonq2 do it :)
[17:26] <Accelerator> Guys wouldn't it easier to have an emoji cheatsheet?
[17:26] <wxl> it might take less effort to set up
[17:26] <wxl> but in practice, i don't find it easier
[17:27] <Accelerator> btw will the mentors be still here even after GCI is over?
[17:27] <wxl> especially if your goal is dealing with unicode in general as opposed to just emoji
[17:27] <wxl> well i never left here since uhhh 2015 so yeah probably :)
[17:28] <wxl> but i would recommend moving any other discussion to the appropriate channel
[17:28] <wxl> need a channel list?
[17:30] <Accelerator_> Sorry about that guys....frequent power outage due to thunderstorm
[17:30] <Accelerator_> wxl: I would like that actually
[17:32] <wxl> Accelerator_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[17:32] <Accelerator_> Ok thanks
[17:32] <wxl> if you're not sure where to go, #ubuntu-community-team is always a good place to start :)
[17:32] <wxl> well off to work
[17:33] <Accelerator_> Ok thanks
[17:33] <Accelerator_> kyrofa: If you are free do take a look at my task...😅😅
[17:35] <kyrofa> Accelerator_, will do, just need to finish writing a little
[17:35] <kyrofa> Accelerator_, note that the channel for snapcraft/snap-related things in #snappy
[17:35] <kyrofa> is, rather
[17:35] <kyrofa> (just saw your question above)
[17:36] <Accelerator_> ok thanks btw for this link https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/HACKING.md
[17:36] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, what's your appstream question?  I don't know much about it, but i can try to figure it out
[17:36] <omairqazi> why my snap says command not found
[17:38] <Accelerator_> kyrofa: i think there is a missing step(cd snapcraft) before installing  snapcraft (and its dependencies) on the link: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/HACKING.md
[17:39] <kyrofa> Accelerator_, yes, you're right!
[17:39] <Accelerator_> Please edit it so that other participants won't get any difficulties
[17:39] <kyrofa> Log a bug, and I can mark it as bite-sized so you can fix it if you like
[17:40] <omairqazi> elopio
[17:40] <m4sk1n> kenvandine: I can see that in upstream some packages already have screenshots addresses in .appstream.xml, but I can’t see them in GNOME/Ubuntu Softwate
[17:40] <Accelerator_> Um kyrofa..where do i log the bug actually? I'm a beginner😅
[17:41] <kyrofa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft
[17:41] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, which ubuntu version are you on?
[17:41] <kenvandine> gnome-software in 16.04 is pretty old
[17:41] <Accelerator_> Ok thank u kyrofa
[17:41] <kenvandine> it might not utilize appstream yet
[17:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: Tag you're it no tagbacks
[17:44] <elopio> omairqazi: you need to give us more information than that. What command are you running, what do you have in your snapcraft.yaml file, what is the error message...
[17:50] <omairqazi> elopio https://github.com/omairqazi/git-ddiff/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml command git-ddiff.git-ddiff error is command not found
[17:51] <wxl> since i changed ALL of the freaking ISO QA tasks, no, tsimonq2, it's you.
[17:52] <m4sk1n> kenvandine: 17.10
[17:53] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, good, can you give me an example app that you see the screenshot in the appstream data upstream?
[17:53] <omairqazi> elopio please reply here https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6091379543375872/ bye
[17:53] <m4sk1n> bleachbit
[17:54] <m4sk1n> not in debian source package, but in bleachbit source
[17:55] <omairqazi> bye
[17:55] <Accelerator_> bye
[17:55] <daniellimws> wxl: I'm looking at this task but haven't claimed yet, may I ask some questions?
[17:55] <daniellimws> scp -P 2222 arpuser@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/owenl131/ARP/research_project/plswork.wav .
[17:55] <daniellimws> plswork.wav
[17:55] <daniellimws> oops wrong paste
[17:55] <wxl> wrong paste
[17:55] <wxl> hehehe
[17:55] <wxl> love the name tho
[17:56] <daniellimws>  https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4966855116587008/?sp-organization=5133577048031232&sp-is_beginner=False
[17:56] <wxl> plswork.wav XD
[17:56] <daniellimws> this
[17:56] <daniellimws> oops
[17:56] <daniellimws> lol
[17:56] <wxl> oh yeah
[17:56] <wxl> "The Doozy"
[17:56] <daniellimws> may I know what is the extent of configuring phabricator
[17:57] <wxl> just follow the installation guide. it's pretty comprehensive
[17:57] <wxl> you need LAMP, basically
[17:57] <daniellimws> https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/configuration_guide/
[17:57] <wxl> instructions are provided for your choice of db and web server
[17:57] <daniellimws> there seems to be and endless amount of "next steps"
[17:58] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, gnome-software isn't even finding bleachbit
[17:58] <daniellimws> wxl: I got LAMP set up already
[17:58] <wxl> not everything *HAS* to be configured
[17:59] <wxl> you will want to set up basic auth, though
[17:59] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, what does "apt-cache policy bleachbit" show?
[17:59] <wxl> cuz you'll want to have an account on there
[17:59] <daniellimws> okay
[17:59] <wxl> if you use normal username/password, you'll need to set up mail
[17:59] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, wow... nevermind
[17:59] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, it just finally found it :)
[18:00] <wxl> so i'd just use some other provider
[18:00] <daniellimws> wxl: so I should be expecting a phabricator website running on my server right?
[18:00] <wxl> using twitter, e.g., would be really good since it's also oauth1
[18:00]  * m4sk1n uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2018-01-03 18-58-46.png (40KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/vewXxmhzKtedtfRsIFBrAJzH>
[18:01] <wxl> that's right @daniellimws
[18:01] <daniellimws> I think the tutorial is old? because according to apache website there is no longer httpd.conf
[18:02] <daniellimws> or maybe not, forgot where I saw that
[18:08] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, i've confirmed that with appstreamcli bleachbit does have screenshot uris
[18:08] <kenvandine> appstreamcli dump bleachbit.desktop
[18:09] <wxl> daniellimws: tsimonq2 did set up our phabricator, so if you have questions, you can always ask him specifically
[18:10] <daniellimws> ok, thanks. I have some questions but I'll ask them tomorrow since it's late here already.
[18:10] <daniellimws> bye
[18:10] <kenvandine> m4sk1n, others do seem to work though, like gedit
[18:11] <m4sk1n> ok, thanks, it’s too hard for me XD
[18:13] <m4sk1n> btw wxl, look, my typical desktop looks less polished than my VMs :)
[18:13] <wxl> that's a strange trend m4sk4n XD
[18:47] <konrad11901> wxl: I submitted my work for review a while ago (this task about improving Lubuntu bug reports). If you have some spare time, you can take a look at it :)
[19:07]  * Accelerator_ is going to sleep
[19:08] <konrad11901> good night Accelerator_! :)


[04:16] <Jeffrey_f> Question on becoming an op: I believe that I have fulfilled the requirements, it seems there is a waiting list since april.  Is this common?
[08:58] <k1l> ikonia: i was about to mute him because i could not make any sense in what he was on about anyway
[08:58] <ikonia> I know
[08:59] <ikonia> you beat me by nano-seconds
[08:59] <ikonia> and shock horror he's now found ##windows and is asking his questions in there as he should have done
[08:59] <k1l> (talking about subcool. but i muted the linux nick guy how was just nonsense too)
[08:59] <ikonia> so your kick worked
[08:59] <ikonia> I was talking about subcool
[08:59] <ikonia> I didn't see the linux guy
 gfdhfdgh
[09:00] <ikonia> missed it
[09:42] <k1l> DJones: *!hgl*@*$##fix_your_connection doesnt match !~hgl
[17:05] <sprung> Hi, i was muted about a week ago because an op and I weren't getting along in #ubuntu. can I get unmuted por favor? i'll be following the channel rules.
[17:05] <phunyguy> do you know why you were muted?
[17:06] <sprung> yeah, i lost my cool and said some things that weren't very nice. i don't remember which op did it to me.
[17:07] <sprung> i am guilty as charged but learned my lesson and it won't happen again if i'm unmuted.
[17:07] <phunyguy> ok, hang tight while I figure this out
[17:07] <ikonia> it was me
[17:07] <ikonia> he basically made up stuff, was rude, then when I asked him to stop sent me a load of abuse in pm
[17:07] <sprung> all of that is true.
[17:08] <phunyguy> are you actually muted in there?
[17:08] <ikonia> yes
[17:08] <ikonia> he's muted
[17:08] <sprung> i believe so yes, "cannot send to channel" and am a registered user
[17:09] <phunyguy> hmm, ok.
[17:09] <phunyguy> let me look again
[17:09] <ikonia> phunyguy: 63121
[17:09] <phunyguy> ahh yes I see it
[17:09] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:10] <phunyguy> ikonia: would you like me to remove it?
[17:10] <ikonia> to be honest, I'm not happy because the guys just made stuff up here
[17:10] <phunyguy> or you can... your call I guess
[17:10] <sprung> ikonia, i apologize.
[17:10] <ikonia> "an op and I where not getting along"
[17:10] <ikonia> you mean you joined the channel was rude and then was rude again in pm
[17:11] <sprung> well, we weren't. i was openly rude and hostile towards you.
[17:11] <sprung> i'm not denying anything.
[17:11] <sprung> i will say it won't happen again.
[17:11] <sprung> if you unmute me anyway
[17:11] <ikonia> phunyguy: I'm not interested in this guy - it's up to you
[17:11] <phunyguy> wait, I don't much like ultimatums.
[17:11] <phunyguy> "if you unmute me anyway"
[17:12] <phunyguy> what does that mean?
[17:12] <ikonia> I think that was just poor wording
[17:12] <ikonia> I don't think he meant that as an ultimatium
[17:12] <phunyguy> oh ok
[17:12] <ikonia> more if you give me a chance it won't be a problem
[17:12] <phunyguy> (still sounds bad )
[17:12] <phunyguy> lol
[17:12] <ikonia> just poor wording, nothing more
[17:12] <phunyguy> I guess
[17:12] <ikonia> got to give someone a chance to prove themselves
[17:12] <sprung> obviously it won't happen again if you don't unmute me,  but if you do unmute me i will obey channel rules and not be rude like i was.
[17:13] <sprung> that's all i meant. no ultimatums.
[17:13] <ikonia> can't ask for a more honest response than that
[17:13] <phunyguy> yeah
[17:13] <phunyguy> alright I will remove the mute.  Please don't make me regret doing it.
[17:13] <sprung> thanks.
[17:14] <phunyguy> should be all set.  please /part the channel if you have nothing else.
[19:03] <bazhang> :|
[19:04] <rww> |:
[19:05] <bazhang> extensive rambling about webmin is "on topic"
[19:06] <DJones> UNless saying that webmin isn't supported, then no
[19:06] <rww> !search webmin
[19:06] <rww> oh good
[19:06] <rww> !webmin
[19:06] <rww> yay
[19:06] <bazhang> that convo ended long ago
[19:06] <rww> webmin is teh sux :c
[19:08] <DJones> But....awww.... I was going to install it
[19:08] <DJones> In a other life & timezone
 are you an op on #ubuntu?  <--- from PM
[19:13] <rww> i think i've spent more time arguing with swap "optimization" people than everyone ever has saved by optimizing swap
[19:14] <k1l> rww: :)
[19:14] <bazhang> "using linux since 1991"
[19:14] <bazhang> rly?
[19:14] <Pici> 200 KiB!
[19:15] <k1l> bazhang: so he helped linus developing it?
[19:15] <bazhang> and he cannot figure out some basic issue like he was?
[19:15] <k1l> or maybe he told linus how to do it properly
[19:15] <bazhang> k1l, haha
[19:16] <bazhang> "been helping on efnet with linux since 1991"
[19:16] <k1l> (linus started in 91 with linux. so i doubt anyone can claim it used it since then. 92 was it put under the gpl. it was prop first)
[19:17] <bazhang> his whole issue was fishy, as were the things he said in PM
[19:18] <DJones> Also seems irrelevant that Ubuntu wasn't availablein 1991
[19:18] <bazhang> heh
[19:19] <bazhang> he must have written his own drivers for the server the ircd was on before breakfast
[19:31] <k1l_> knome: pm?
[19:41] <rww> 19:40:42 -!- Bot_EclIRC<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[19:41] <DJones> !test1test
[19:42] <DJones> Didn't respond to !test
[19:42] <rww> yeah, I'm poking at it now trying to figure it out
[19:52] <k1l_> @mark #ubuntu modemmff channel spam
[20:07] <k1l_> epicnah: hi
[20:14] <epicnah> hi
[20:14] <epicnah> are you one of the OP freenode?
[20:15] <k1l_> epicnah: for freenode staff better ask in #freenode
[20:15] <ikonia> worth noting 14.04.1 appears to have hit the repos now
[20:16] <bazhang> nice
[20:16] <ikonia> what a waste of time having a schedule
[20:16] <epicnah> ty :)
[20:16] <bazhang> well, one day
[20:17] <k1l_> ikonia: no. maybe they got the proposed repos on?
[20:17] <ikonia> doesn't look like it
[20:17] <ikonia> just looked at the repos via http
[20:17] <ikonia> package versions seem to tie in
[20:17] <Pici> ikonia: they're supposedly RCing them..
[20:18] <ikonia> what in main ?
[20:20] <Pici> hmm
[20:22] <knome> k1l_, yes?
[20:28] <Pici> ikonia: I'm asking the release people about it.
[20:28] <Pici> I only have like 5 packages ready to upgrade on my 14.04 server, but base-files is indeed one of them.
[20:29]  * ikonia passes the release team toilet paper
[20:29] <ikonia> I assume they may need help wiping their bottomg
[20:29] <ikonia> bottoms
[20:32] <Pici> ikonia: looks like it is needed to properly build the ISOs for testing.  Doesn't look like anything else is being changed yet though.
[20:32] <ikonia> Pici: well 2 guys have reported their system is now showing 14.04.1
[20:32] <Pici> ikonia: mine too now.
[20:32] <ikonia> and to be honest - should that have been released to the main repo to build an ISO - no it shouldn't
[20:32] <Pici> Its not in main, it is in updates.
[20:33] <ikonia> yeah - but that feeds main
[20:33] <ikonia> eg: it's main packages
[20:33] <Pici> er, right.
[20:33] <Pici> and I don't think it makes sense, but maybe I just don't fully understand the Ubuntu build process.
[20:33] <ikonia> sorry bad wording
[20:33] <Pici> i.e. I'm just the messenger
[20:33] <ikonia> of course
[20:33] <ikonia> hence why I'm not shooting you
[20:33] <Pici> okay ;)
[20:33] <ikonia> just another sloppy bit of work
[20:34] <Pici> ikonia: Anyway, they said that they've done this 4 times for 12.04 already. I guess we didn't notice that either.
[20:35] <ikonia> seems odd
[20:37] <k1l_> base-files is to update on my 14.04 that makes the 14.04 to 14.04.1
[20:37] <Pici> yes


[07:42] <flocculant> there was an update to apt yesterday(ish) ... includes * methods/gpgv: Reject weak digest algorithms
[07:43] <flocculant> that'll be any ppa that I've got :p http://paste.ubuntu.com/15413340/
[07:47] <dkessel> flocculant: i think the mail about the change said it would first only issue warnings for weak algorithms, and later (june?july?) issue errors...
[07:47] <dkessel> it should still work
[07:48] <dkessel> i guess that need re-signing of all launchpad ppas then =)
[07:48] <flocculant> yea still does - or I assume so
[07:53] <flocculant> dkessel: I guess so - I wonder how many ppa's there are lol
[08:17] <dkessel> flocculant: only 23k :D https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=
[08:17] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[08:17] <flocculant> I bet 22k are dead :p
[09:05] <Unit193> Yeah just warnings so far.  And, LP 1331914
[09:26] <Unit193> flocculant: BTW, .8 will make that warning much more clear.
[14:36] <cyphermox> flocculant: seems like xubuntu upgrades to 16.04 just fine
[14:37] <cyphermox> well, just fine being, it doesn't crash like what davmor2 noticed; on xubuntu, running in qemu/libvirt
[17:15] <flocculant> cyphermox: crashes in vbox
[17:15] <flocculant> unless there have been updates since this time yesterday
[17:16] <flocculant> cyphermox: also depends what you mean - 15.10 upgrades ok
[17:21] <cyphermox> right, but vbox is special
[17:22] <flocculant> cyphermox: or qemu is ;)
[17:22] <cyphermox> I'm skipping it for now, because once we know upgrades in general work, then fixing some quirks of the virtualizer is easier-ish
[17:22] <flocculant> I can try a hardware one over the weekend
[17:22] <cyphermox> well, hardware seemed to behave the same as qemu
[17:23] <flocculant> got a trusty that I have only used once since 14.10 started development :p
[17:23] <flocculant> unless it was a vanilla .4 install
[17:25] <flocculant> cyphermox: I'll let you know how it goes
[17:25] <flocculant> looks like it's .3
[17:44] <flocculant> cyphermox: before I do that - did it actually upgrade?
[17:47] <cyphermox> the what?
[17:48] <flocculant> the 14.04
[17:48] <cyphermox> well, to me things look like they're upgrading
[17:48] <cyphermox> I'm still waiting for my test to finish with screensaver disabled
[17:48] <flocculant> oh ok - I assumed it was done and dusted not in progress :)
[17:54] <flocculant> !team | meeting in 5 minutes ish ...
[18:01] <flocculant> #startmeeting
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[18:01] <flocculant> who's here for the meeting then?
[18:01] <kryten> o/
[18:01] <flocculant> hi kryten :)
[18:01] <kryten> Hi. :)
[18:01] <knome> kind of
[18:02] <flocculant> ok ...
[18:02] <knome> eg. will be reading, but replies can be slow
[18:02] <flocculant> right
[18:02] <slickymasterWork> knome, pleia2, can you please spread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-March/011082.html in our media channels
[18:02] <slickymasterWork> and afternoon all
[18:02] <flocculant> hi slickymasterWork
[18:03] <flocculant> so some are here - I'll crack on then
[18:03] <flocculant> #topic Open Action Items
[18:03] <flocculant> hard to find them
[18:04] <flocculant> mmm
[18:04] <flocculant> seems there are just me kryten and knome reading and replying slowly
[18:05] <kryten> :D
[18:05] <knome> yes
[18:05] <flocculant> this'll be quick then :)
[18:05] <Nairwolf> hi, I'm here for the meeting
[18:06] <flocculant> #subtopic Wallpaper Contest
[18:06] <flocculant> further to the e-mail to the dev list - testing has been going on, we should (afaik) be ramping that up next week
[18:06] <flocculant> #subtopic Slideshow
[18:07] <flocculant> that got worked on - the new slideshow is there on images
[18:07] <flocculant> #subtopic Gnome software
[18:07] <flocculant> that's been agreed - the image includes gnome software now instead of usc
[18:07] <Nairwolf> oh that's great
[18:07] <flocculant> #topic Updates and Announcements
[18:07] <Nairwolf> Do we nee specific tests on Gnome Software ?
[18:08] <knome> slickymaster, tweeted
[18:08] <flocculant> #subtopic Change to Strategy Document
[18:08] <knome> flocculant, yep, planning on mon/tue announcement for contest
[18:08] <knome> seems like the vote went through, i'll merge today
[18:08] <flocculant> this had 4 positive votes in the last meeting - took that to mailing list - 3 more postive votes - passed
[18:09] <flocculant> #topic Discussions
[18:09] <flocculant> so of the 3 of us who are here from team - do we have time to work through them or not?
[18:10] <flocculant> that's for kryten and knome to reply to :p
[18:10] <knome> which ones?
[18:10] <knome> i have time, but still slow to reply..
[18:11] <flocculant> the 3 live ones - pdf/beta and core
[18:11] <flocculant> not sure we can deal with core
[18:11] <flocculant> #subtopic Final Beta
[18:11] <flocculant> easy one :p
[18:11] <flocculant> We'll be calling for testing for this early next week
[18:11] <knome> base stuff *should* be merged for final beta, but we'll see..
[18:12] <flocculant> as is the norm - now we've reached Final Beta we'll be including 'users' for that
[18:12] <knome> ack
[18:12] <flocculant> I'll be looking at where we are for upgrades - seems that the fails could be vbox related - unsurprisingly ...
[18:13] <flocculant> #subtopic Core/Base image
 base stuff *should* be merged for final beta, but we'll see..
[18:13] <flocculant> QA's position is that this is really close to the wire
[18:13] <knome> yep
[18:13] <knome> as discussed, we can release desktop normally and then postpone base until .1
[18:14] <flocculant> there was discussion amongst people about moving this back perhaps to 16.04.1
[18:14] <knome> if we want, that is
[18:14] <knome> heh :)
[18:14] <flocculant> yea
[18:14] <Robin___> Hello everybody :)
[18:14] <flocculant> not much we can really do here till there's something happened :)
[18:14] <flocculant> hi Robin___ :)
[18:14] <Nairwolf> flocculant, you can count on me if you need tests
[18:14] <flocculant> and a belated hi Nairwolf too :)
[18:15] <Robin___> A few months ago I applied to help with the translation of Xfce to Esperanto, but since then I have never received any message in return... Can somebody here please help me?
[18:15] <flocculant> #subtopic PDF's in Documentation
[18:15] <flocculant> Robin___: we're in the middle of a meeting - can you wait a while please :)
[18:15] <Robin___> Okay, I will come back in a few hours :)
[18:15] <flocculant> so currently pdf's fail to build with the docs
[18:16] <knome> Robin___, 15 mins is fine
[18:16] <knome> re: PDFs, we're looking to that with krytarik
[18:16] <flocculant> yep
[18:16] <knome> it's a "simple" file not found error
[18:16] <flocculant> knome: ack
[18:16] <knome> not sure why option #1 works locally and not with build, and option #2 the opposite
[18:16] <flocculant> :)
[18:16] <knome> the easy but hacky way is some symlinks
[18:17] <flocculant> kryten: anything to add ?
[18:17] <kryten> Nope.
[18:18] <flocculant> ok - I've nothing to add to it
[18:18] <flocculant> thanks to all concerned in getting where we have with the updates though :)
[18:19] <flocculant> knome: nothing to add more to that I assume
[18:19] <knome> no
[18:19] <flocculant> #topic Any other business
[18:19] <flocculant> anyone got anything?
[18:20] <Nairwolf> Maybe I've missed when you talked about the wallpaper contest, but we should launch it as soon as possible
[18:20] <flocculant> you missed it :)
[18:20] <flocculant> early next week
[18:20] <Nairwolf> ok ;)
[18:20] <Nairwolf> fine
[18:21] <flocculant> ok - I'll wrap this up then
[18:21] <flocculant> #topic Schedule next meeting
[18:21] <flocculant> bluesabre to set up the next meeting
[18:21] <flocculant> #endmeeting
[18:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar 18 18:21:49 2016 UTC.
[18:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-03-18-18.01.moin.txt
[18:22] <flocculant> and may $deity have mercy on his soul :p
[18:25] <Robin___> I see the meeting has ended... So, let me reask my question. Can somebody here please help me to become an Esperanto translator for Xfce?
[18:26] <flocculant> logs are up
[18:26] <knome> Robin___, xfce specifically or xubuntu generally?
[18:26] <Robin___> I am currently using Xubuntu 15.10 in Esperanto and lots of the current strings are still in English
[18:26] <flocculant> left pdf's and core on it for next time
[18:27] <Robin___> I am already a translator for Ubuntu specifically, but I would also like to help with Xfce, which is part of Xubuntu
[18:27] <Robin___> But Xfce is not managed on Launchpad, but on Transifex
[18:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: I forwarded a mail to our list with talk of qt4 on it
[18:32] <knome> Robin___, looking at it, you could join #xfce-dev if i happen to get a hold of somebody who's managing the xfce team(s) on transifex
[18:33] <Robin___> Okay, let me resend my question there, thank you knome :)
[18:34] <Nairwolf> flocculant, I'm reading your email about qt4, I don't understand everything. Why it's bad to have qt4 ?
[18:35] <knome> Nairwolf, xubuntu uses the gtk toolkit, so we don't want qt on our images
[18:39] <Nairwolf> ok, that makes sense, and can we delete easily qt dependencies on your images ?
[18:39] <flocculant> knome: ty
[18:40] <knome> Nairwolf, we aren't affected by the original mail in question, that's what flocculant is implying on his message
[18:41] <flocculant> Nairwolf: this is why I forwarded it to us "We could make qt4 recommends them, but then they would be pulled in on other desktops environment where they are not needed ... how would other flavors feel about that?"
[18:41] <flocculant> brb
[18:43] <Nairwolf> okay, so flocculant, you have answered them that we are not agree with that ?
[18:45] <Nairwolf> also, don't you think it would be great to have a specific testcase for gnome software ?
[18:50] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I've not answered anyone - not my place - someone from our devs will see it
[18:50] <flocculant> Nairwolf: re g-s, I would expect that ubuntu will test it
[18:50] <flocculant> we never tested usc either
[18:59] <Nairwolf> ok, so it's not our job to test g-s, okay
[19:00] <Nairwolf> most of guy who works on xubuntu are in the Xubuntu Team, right ?
[19:00] <knome> the xubuntu team or one of the subteams usually
[19:14] <Nairwolf> ok
[19:14] <Nairwolf> thank you knom
[20:26] <Nairwolf> hi guys, have you already seen this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicfilesystems/+bug/990744dd
[20:56] <flocculant> yes
[20:56] <flocculant> sometimes it gets seen
[21:01] <Nairwolf> ok, it's a really annoying bug...
[21:04] <flocculant> apparently so - you asked the same thing a while back :)
[21:08] <Nairwolf> yes, it's true... Because I suspect this bug could occur if you have a windows machine, and you want to install xubuntu with the option "erase disk and install"...
[21:09] <Nairwolf> maybe I'm wrong and it's specific with linux distribution because it seems related to swap partition.
[21:11] <knome> Nairwolf, what are you exactly after with this discussion?
[21:12] <knome> the bug is filed, we are aware of it and it's triaged and marked with high priority
[21:15] <Nairwolf> I'm not sure how to have a nice workaround when I have this bug, and I would like to know how you deal with that. What I'm doing to fix it is "boot on the live session, use gparted to remove all installed partition, check "swapoff" for swap partition". When I've removed everything of my machine, it seems to work
[21:15] <Nairwolf> today, it was the case, but few days ago, I couldn't install the daily image because of this bug, and I didn't find a workaround
[21:16] <knome> then the result for the ISO tests should be failed with this bug in the critical field
[21:17] <flocculant> Nairwolf: what you shouldn't expect is for *us* to fix this
[21:17] <flocculant> I've never hit it - ever
[21:18] <flocculant> I know 2 people who have - you and bluesabre :)
[21:19] <knome> ok, the strategy document is pushed to the y-series branch for the docs
[21:19] <knome> +changes
[21:20] <Nairwolf> oh, I don't expect you fix that, I just wanted to know if you have this bug, how you deal with that
[21:20] <Nairwolf> but it's okay, I think I have found a workaround tonight
[21:20] <knome> as i tried to explain... you don't need to deal with that
[21:20] <knome> if you can't finish the test with the instructions on the tracker, then the test fails
[21:21] <knome> and you don't need to find a workaround to fix it
[21:21] <knome> that's the whole point of having the option to fail a test
[21:21] <flocculant> knome: will the changes not be in the xenial docs?
[21:21] <knome> flocculant, we'll have to discuss that
[21:21] <knome> the string freeze is gone, so it'd technically need an exception
[21:22] <knome> which is not a problem per se
[21:22] <Nairwolf> knome, sorry, I think I don't speak correctly. When I have this bug, and I can't install xubuntu, yes, I write that the test is failed.
[21:22] <Nairwolf> I wanted to find a workaround for myself, in order to continue to test
[21:22] <Nairwolf> If I can't install xubuntu, I can't test, you understand ?
[21:22] <flocculant> knome: that point wasn't made clear in any of the discussion about the change
[21:22] <knome> Nairwolf, but you shouldn't continue to test.
[21:23] <knome> flocculant, nope... but realistically speaking, the exception is not a problem
[21:23] <flocculant> knome: and it seems rather silly to change something half way through the LTS cycle - then not have it on the LTS docs ;)
[21:23] <knome> flocculant, agree
[21:23] <flocculant> kind of not the point here :)
[21:23] <knome> flocculant, but i'm not sure if i agree about translating the XSD to begin with completely
[21:24] <flocculant> ?
[21:24] <flocculant> now you've completely confused me :)
[21:24] <knome> flocculant, and i'm not completely sure if it's the best idea to maintain the contributor docs in the same branch as the user docs, because the other is release-specific, the other isn't
[21:24] <knome> this is kind of siderailing...
[21:24] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[21:24] <knome> ...but it's all related to this situation we have now
[21:24] <flocculant> yea - I can see that as an issue
[21:25] <Nairwolf> knome: the test is failed if I'm trying to install xubuntu with an image already installed "erase and install option", if my computer is completely empty, the installation works
[21:25] <knome> flocculant, but splitting them would also mean maintaining the assets in two places and having to update them twice...
[21:25] <flocculant> yea
[21:25] <Nairwolf> for example, tonight, I have encountered this bug, after removing everything I can install xubuntu, and it seems to work, now.
[21:25] <flocculant> Nairwolf: dude - the test failed
[21:26] <flocculant> you failed it - report it
[21:26] <knome> Nairwolf, i guess i get what you are saying now
[21:26] <Nairwolf> I've done it : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/114894/testcases/1300/results
[21:26] <Nairwolf> oh, great knome
[21:26] <knome> Nairwolf, but i don't know why you are talking about a workaround; it's just setting a different target environment
[21:27] <flocculant> Nairwolf: please write down EXACTLY the situation this fails for you on - partition setups etc - pastebin it and I'll see if I can confirm
[21:27] <Nairwolf> ok, I will try to do that
[21:27] <knome> flocculant, what he means is that if he installs xubuntu, then he needs to clean up the system to be able to run *another* ISO test
[21:27] <flocculant> knome: well - I do that perhaps 5 times a week ...
[21:27] <knome> flocculant, eg. the problem is in what happens between two tests
[21:27] <Nairwolf> that's right knome. Sorry, sometimes my english sucks, and I can't express myself correctly...
[21:28] <knome> flocculant, ack
[21:28] <flocculant> Nairwolf: that's ok - we get there in the end
[21:28] <flocculant> knome: so are you saying that if we have doc(s) as they are - we need to muck about with the LTS one anytime the contr stuff changes ?
[21:29] <Nairwolf> I wanted to ask you other things, I've seen mousepad bugs, I think that one bug is a duplicate but I'm afraid to be wrong, can you help me to confirm ?
[21:29] <Nairwolf> I believe that this bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mousepad/+bug/1537337 ) is a duplicate of this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mousepad/+bug/1508192)
[21:29] <Nairwolf> what do you think ?
[21:29] <flocculant> never be afraif
[21:29] <Nairwolf> flocculant: so I mark it as duplicate and I hope that someone will verify that ?
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, actually no... what i'm saying that if changes happen in the contributor docs when the docs freeze is in effect, we're in a weird situation
[21:30] <flocculant> mmk
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, and obviously since contributor docs are not release-specific, it is kind of weird to track them in a release-specific environment
[21:30] <flocculant> so that weird situation is going to occur often for the lts version I guess
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, instead, they should just have one branch
[21:30] <flocculant> yea - I totally get that
[21:30] <flocculant> right
[21:31] <knome> (ideally, from the technical POV)
[21:31] <flocculant> Nairwolf: they don't look to be the same thing
[21:32] <flocculant> my one is specifically about the colour of highlights for some poor old thing with old eyes - just like me :)
[21:32] <knome> but then that means we would have the assets (eg. the docbook stylesheets, css stylesheets, PDF creation scripts, translation scripts, etc - you get the idea) in two different branches - and if we wanted to change them, we'd need to do the changes in two different branches
[21:32] <flocculant> ok
[21:32] <knome> that was the main reason to not split it up originally
[21:32] <Nairwolf> oh, i'm stupid, yes it's not the same thing at all !
[21:32] <flocculant> knome: so how often would they be likely to change?
[21:33] <flocculant> the assets that is
[21:33] <knome> flocculant, unfortunately i think at least once a cycle
[21:33] <knome> ideally, once in 2 years
[21:33] <knome> or sth
[21:33] <flocculant> right
[21:33] <knome> i mean now that we have most of the docbook-related stuff laid out, it should be less
[21:34] <knome> but if (and as) we want to keep the doucmentation consistent with the website visual look, we'll need to land some changes whenever we change the website
[21:34] <knome> it's not 1:1, but there are things we want to keep fresh
[21:34] <knome> s/we/i/
[21:34] <flocculant> obviously the contr stuff is likely to change more regularly - if for no other reason than we're putting stuff there
[21:34] <knome> yes
[21:34] <knome> but the content isn't the issue
[21:34] <knome> ...in a way at least
[21:35] <knome> let's talk hypothetically:
[21:35] <flocculant> let's put the kettle on then ...
[21:35] <knome> after 16.04 is released, we need a major change in the contributor docs - in this situation, let's imagine in the strategy document or something else very static
[21:36] <knome> so we change the stuff and it gets uploaded in 16.10
[21:36] <knome> should the 16.04 branch get the update too?
[21:36] <knome> it's still not EOL by far
[21:36] <flocculant> yes should get the update
[21:37] <slickymaster> I'd say yes
[21:37] <knome> but hypothetically, the contributor documentation there could be awkwardly wrong
[21:37] <flocculant> the SD isn't different from one cycle to the rest or shouldn't be
[21:37] <flocculant> and wasn't when it was living elsewhere
[21:37] <knome> yes
[21:37] <flocculant> the contr should be a moving thing too
[21:37] <knome> that's one of the issues we have...
[21:37] <flocculant> only the user docs should be static
[21:37] <flocculant> ever
[21:37] <flocculant> imho :)
[21:38] <knome> but note
[21:38] <knome> the issue is always there if we package the contributor docs at all
[21:38] <knome> because even if it was a different branch or just different package from the same source, we'd still need updates for the package(s)
[21:38] <knome> so one way to work around this is
[21:39] <knome> first, keep maintaining the source in the same branch so we can peruse the shared assets
[21:39] <knome> but not build it for the package
[21:39] <knome> so technically, only make it available online
[21:40] <knome> s/technically/practically/
[21:40] <knome> the "outdated" contributor docs will still be available in the SOURCE package
[21:40] <knome> but hey...
[21:40] <knome> we can at least leave a README or sth to notice people who poke the source
[21:41] <flocculant> mmm
[21:41] <knome> this is even pretty easy to change even at this point
[21:41] <knome> we simply tell the Makefile not to build the contributor docs
[21:41] <knome> (and change the startpage a bit)
[21:41] <flocculant> so why is it hard to maintain the same assets in two places?
[21:41] <knome> it's not hard, it's stupid
[21:41] <flocculant> ignoring the someone haas to do it twice
[21:42] <flocculant> then perhaps it was stupid of us to do what we have :)
[21:42] <knome> maybe
[21:42] <knome> but it was the less stupid option imo
[21:42] <Nairwolf> gnome-software doesn't work at all on the daily !
[21:42] <flocculant> the SD and contr stuff was surely always going to have to be current *now*
[21:42] <knome> yes
[21:43] <knome> the option i proposed above is 99.99% the exact same stuff we have done now
[21:43] <flocculant> so
[21:43] <knome> and we would have done all the same things to reach that target if we were going to do it to begin with
[21:44] <flocculant> online is always correct - stuff served in the image gets a readme to say 'this was correct when released' ?
[21:44] <knome> no
[21:44] <knome> online is always correct
[21:44] <knome> offline there is a link to online
[21:44] <flocculant> ok
[21:44] <knome> in the source package (apt-get source xubuntu-docs) is a note that the contributor docs aren't backwards-maintained
[21:44] <flocculant> that works for me
[21:45] <flocculant> yep
[21:45] <knome> at the point you pull a source package, you need to know a bit or two anyway
[21:45] <Nairwolf> flocculant: I know you're busy, answer me when you've finished your discussion with knome. What would be the best cli tools to share you my partition setups. I was thinking to use "parted".
[21:45] <knome> flocculant, i'd like to hear input from Unit193, kryten and bluesabre about this though
[21:45] <flocculant> knome: we're *just* talking about the SD and contr being linked - just to be sure :)
[21:45] <flocculant> ofc
[21:46] <knome> flocculant, yes, just the contributor docs
[21:46] <flocculant> mmm
[21:46] <knome> flocculant, user docs will continue to live as they are now
[21:46] <flocculant> yea - SD is part of contr ...
[21:46] <knome> flocculant, because they are release-specific (and need to beQ)
[21:46] <knome> yes
[21:46] <knome> s/Q/!/
[21:46] <knome> sigh at typing
[21:47] <flocculant> yep user docs = release version always ofc
[21:47] <flocculant> Nairwolf: that or fdisk -l - don't care really as long as I can see what you've got :)
[21:47] <knome> also this kind of makes more sense for the online docs anyway...
[21:47] <knome> because currently, i think we're building the contributor docs for each release
[21:47] <knome> and then once more for the actual /contributors/ subdir
[21:48] <flocculant> mmm
[21:48] <Nairwolf> ok, I'm sending you that flocculant
[21:48] <flocculant> knome: I'd guess the contr stuff should be built when it's needed for them to be up to date
[21:48] <knome> yep
[21:48] <knome> exactly
[21:48] <flocculant> which could in a bad month be often :p
[21:49] <knome> sure, but if it's a bad month and there is somebody to write the changes, then there is somebody to update the online version
[21:49] <knome> so it's not a huge issue
[21:49] <flocculant> yea
[21:50] <knome> i'll write a mail
[21:50] <flocculant> knome: ok - I was about to suggest that
[21:50] <flocculant> you do that
[21:50] <flocculant> :p
[21:51] <flocculant> Nairwolf: g-s in the daily - just installed and removed alarm clock ...
[21:51] <Nairwolf> I couldn't install anything....
[21:51] <Nairwolf> I'm trying to encounter the swap bug again
[21:53] <flocculant> why not don't - and see if someone can confirm it :)
[21:55] <Nairwolf> I'm trying flocculant
[21:56] <Nairwolf> oh, ubiquity has freezed...
[21:57] <flocculant> Nairwolf: how are you testing this?
[21:58] <Nairwolf> I'm testing the swap bug. This is my actual setup (https://paste.ubuntu.com/15418492/). I'm trying to use the daily image and install xubuntu by choosing "Erase Ubuntu Xenial Xerus and reinstall"
[21:59] <Nairwolf> if I meet the bug again, I will give you everything you need
[21:59] <flocculant> this is hardware not virtual then :)
[22:00] <Nairwolf> yes, it's hardware, I'm testing with my second computer
[22:01] <Unit193> flexiondotorg: Check PMs.
[22:01] <Nairwolf> I believe it's better to test with real hardware
[22:02] <flocculant> Nairwolf: most of the cycle it's not going to make huge difference apart from outliers
[22:04] <Nairwolf> indeed, but maybe this is an outlier
[22:04] <cosimo_> Hi guys. As a new member in the mailing list, and after receiving the latest e-mail from David Pires, which asks for a last call and a last effort for translators, I just want to point out that I'm waiting for approval for about a week now, and still I got no answer.
[22:04] <slickymaster> hey cosimo_
[22:04] <flocculant> cosimo_: I believe that the 'approval' is from elsewhere
[22:04] <flocculant> hey slickymaster - just in time :)
[22:04] <cosimo_> This is totally wrong. After all the help Xubuntu needs, I am still out here awaiting my turn to spend my time helping the team!
[22:04] <slickymaster> you're waiting approval for what, exactly?
[22:04] <cosimo_> hi slickymaster ;)
[22:05] <cosimo_> for entering the Catalan translation team
[22:05] <Unit193> slickymaster: The translators team we have no control over is my guess. :/
[22:05] <slickymaster> yes Unit193
[22:05] <knome> o hai Unit193
[22:05] <cosimo_> as many strings are still missing in the latest daily builds of Xubuntu 16.04 32/64
[22:05] <slickymaster> cosimo_, that's up to them to approve
[22:06] <cosimo_> I know, but I just want to share with you guys, that is a shame.
[22:06] <knome> this translation madness seriously needs resolved
[22:06] <cosimo_> Many strings are missing, many Catalan users will be disappointed, here I am wanting to help, and time runs for nothing
[22:06] <slickymaster> well knome, it's LoCo
[22:06] <slickymaster> can't you keep poking them, cosimo_
[22:07] <slickymaster> ?
[22:07] <cosimo_> I sent an e-mail to the LoCo (Catalan) mailing list, but nothing goes thru if isn't approved first,
[22:07] <cosimo_> applied for the membership (which is still awaiting approval)
[22:07] <cosimo_> looks like the LoCo is very quiet,
[22:08] <flocculant> loco controls translations?
[22:08] <cosimo_> but users, will have a final ISO of Xubuntu with soooo many missing strings
[22:08] <cosimo_> honestly I don't know who controls translations (I'm new here guys)
[22:08] <flocculant> yea - was a general question :)
[22:08] <flocculant> slickymaster: is that right?
[22:08] <cosimo_> but I wanted to share it here, just to let you know that with this organization, there is no way to make a good product.
[22:09] <knome> cosimo_, we're aware of the issue
[22:09] <Nairwolf> flocculant: I've encountered the bug again. I'm sending you steps to reproduce. I will leave the chan soon, we should talk about it later. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15418664/
[22:09] <flocculant> Nairwolf: ok - I'll be about off and on during the weekend
[22:10] <cosimo_> that's good to know knome. So, if anyone, ever knows a way to help me, to help ;) I'll be waiting
[22:10] <cosimo_> slickymaster: I would love to answer your mail!
[22:10] <Nairwolf> okay flocculant, do you have my email adress ? You can contact me by mail if you need more information.
[22:11] <Nairwolf> Maybe I wrong, but I have doubt you can reproduce this error with a VM, as it seems to be hardware related.
[22:11] <knome> cosimo_, i might be able to get you in the team, but possibly not until monday..
[22:11] <slickymaster> yeah, I know cosimo_, unfortunately there's nothing we can do, also
[22:11] <cosimo_> that would be good anyway :)
[22:11] <flocculant> Nairwolf: could be hardware issue - in which case no I don't have a 500Gb drive I can repurpose :)
[22:12] <knome> slickymaster, dpm is an administrator on the team, so we might be lucky... but he isn't online right now
[22:12] <cosimo_> I'll keep waiting, you have my e-mail in the mailing list. Thank you again and greetings from Barcelona.
[22:13] <slickymaster> was just checking that knome
[22:13] <flocculant> knome: I've never taken much notice of this stuff - but is the sticking point the LoCo ?
[22:13] <slickymaster> the propsed members list is huge
[22:13] <slickymaster> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ca/+members#active
[22:14] <cosimo_> see?
[22:14] <knome> the problem is the same with most translation teams
[22:14] <slickymaster> yes
[22:14] <Nairwolf> flocculant: okay, I'm not sure being able to help more to fix this bug.
[22:14] <cosimo_> shouldn't this be a little more "controlled" ?
[22:14] <flocculant> people on that list from 10 years ago ...
[22:14] <cosimo_> this looks like a group of friends, taking all the power for themselves.
[22:15] <flocculant> you'd think there would be a main translator team
[22:17] <knome> flocculant, i was thinking the same thing, and i will totally make that happen
[22:17] <slickymaster> cosimo_, please contact David Planella (http://davidplanella.org/contact/) is admin in the Ubuntu Catalan Translators
[22:17] <knome> cosimo_, it's just people who have been active in 2008 when they joined, but then went away
[22:17] <cosimo_> good stickymaster, I'll do it right now.
[22:17] <flocculant> maybe should involve the CC
[22:18] <knome> flocculant, we have a meeting coming up about the future of the docs team, i'll bring this up there
[22:18] <slickymaster> good point flocculant
[22:18] <flocculant> knome: was my next suggestion :)
[22:18] <slickymaster> btw knome, according to http://doodle.com/poll/dqsryhnkfwgantb2, that was suposed to be today
[22:18] <Unit193> knome: Howdy.
[22:19] <knome> slickymaster, that was one of the options.
[22:19] <knome> slickymaster, i believe it will actually be on 24th
[22:19] <slickymaster> ok
[22:21] <flocculant> all this talk from everywhere about making things easier for people to contribute - not coming across as the norm here :p
[22:22] <slickymaster> right you are,flocculant... right you are
[22:23] <cosimo_> making thigs easier for people to contribute in the slightest way, will only make things better for everyone. I am still surprised how hard it is to get involved.
[22:24] <flocculant> cosimo_: well you can at least see that we try and make it easy :D
[22:24] <knome> translations are one of the most problematic area for sure
[22:24] <Unit193> Quite.
[22:24] <cosimo_>  absolutely flocculant! I must say that in this IRC everyone has been extremely helpful.
[22:24] <flocculant> cosimo_: you will soon come to realise I just pretend :D
[22:24] <Unit193> cosimo_: Except me, always have to have one crankypants!
[22:25] <Nairwolf> ;)
[22:25] <cosimo_> flocculant:  so you will too ;)
[22:27] <cosimo_> Unit193: crakncky Unit193, :-S
[22:27] <cosimo_> good night everyone.
[22:27] <slickymaster> good night cosimo_
[22:27] <flocculant> night cosimo_
[22:27] <slickymaster> and please don't give up
[22:30] <flocculant> zebedee is calling
[22:30] <flocculant> cya all next time :)
[22:30] <knome> nighty flocculant
[22:30] <slickymaster> cu mañana flocculant
[23:24] <knome> ok, email sent about the docs stuff


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[05:31] <studio-user489> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWAS_OvmENY
[19:57] <scoutcro> Hello guys. I just installed ubuntustudio 18.04 and updated all packages, but when I start qjackctl it doesn't seem to work. Is it supposed to work out of the box or do I need to configure it? Here's a screen: http://i.imgur.com/WHt1Vjj.png
[20:02] <scoutcro> brb
[20:36] <scoutcro> Ok I'm back
[20:37] <scoutcro> So can anyone please help me with jack, it's fresh install: http://i.imgur.com/WHt1Vjj.png


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[01:00] <pieq> G'day!
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[01:36] <duflu> Hi pieq
[02:37] <callmepk> good morning
[03:14] <duflu> Hi callmepk
[03:15] <callmepk>  morning duflu
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[06:03] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[06:22] <luna_> morning
[06:23] <jibel> morning all
[06:34] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel
[06:34] <oSoMoN> hey luna_
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[06:45] <didrocks> hey luna_, jibel , oSoMoN
[07:24] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, didrocks, jibel, luna_
[07:25] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:47] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:54] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:59] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:07] <duflu> jibel, the "current" groovy daily is from July!? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[08:08] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:09] <luna_> duflu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20200826/
[08:14] <duflu> luna_, that's not current (not passed testing)
[08:16] <jibel> duflu, not anymore
[08:16] <duflu> jibel, awesome thanks
[08:29] <luna_> duflu: ah
[10:00] <xnox> seb128:  about gamemode, i see in gamemode.ini there is defaultgov= commented out. If one sets that to ondemand, will that only switch to that when "exiting gamemode" or will it also set it on boot too?
[10:01] <xnox> i only see user level gamemoded service, not system one
[10:05] <xnox> it would be nice to have something like: sudo /usr/libexec/cpugovctl set ondemand
[10:05] <xnox> or whatever the default is specified in gamemode.ini
[10:11] <seb128> xnox, only when exiting, it was commented out because otherwise it would set to ondemand when exiting even if that was not the default when it started
[10:15] <duflu> xnox is this missing updates pocket temporary? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[10:17] <duflu> I will assume so and check again tomorrow
[10:18] <xnox> duflu:  i am confused about your question.
[10:19] <duflu> xnox, the absence of any groovy-updates for the kernel
[10:19] <duflu> Is it just in transition?
[10:19] <xnox> duflu:  there is no security or update in groovy, because it is development release.
[10:20] <xnox> duflu:  security and updates are only for stable releases. like they always have.....
[10:20] <xnox> duflu:  why do you expect groovy-updates? and what do you think it should have?
[10:20] <duflu> xnox, fair point. How then can I force groovy to update to 5.8?
[10:20] <xnox> duflu:  you don't need to force anything.
[10:20] <xnox> duflu:  v5.8 is in groovy-release.
[10:20] <xnox> meaning just "groovy"
[10:21] <xnox> because during development that is not frozen.....
[10:21] <xnox> duflu:  simply apt update / full-upgrade.....
[10:21] <duflu> xnox, that doesn't change anything. Still kernel 5.4
[10:21] <xnox> duflu:  do you have metapackage installed? you should always have linux-generic installed.
[10:22] <xnox> duflu:  which metapackages do you have?
[10:22] <xnox> dpkg -l | grep linux- | pastebinit
[10:22] <duflu> xnox, it was linux-generic-hwe-20.04 and indeed linux-generic is resolving it now. Thanks
[10:23] <xnox> duflu:  maybe open a bug report about that. Because in groovy linux-geneirc-hwe-20.04 should now point at linux-generic.
[10:23] <xnox> and it doesn't.
[10:23] <xnox> duflu:  but yeah, feel free to install linux-generic & remove linux-generic-hwe*
[10:28] <xnox> duflu:  opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/1893205
[10:28] <duflu> Oh I was just typing one up
[10:28] <duflu> OK
[14:19] <Trevinho> fossfreedom: hey, i'm ready to upload new mutter to debian (experimental)/ubuntu so feel free to proceed with new budgie with proper APIs
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[15:50] <fossfreedom> Trevinho: re mutter. Thx for letting me know. Is mutter going straight into proposed or do you have a test ppa I can test compile against?
[15:51] <Trevinho> fossfreedom: I will push it to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4231/+packages, but right now the built version is at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4055/+packages (that includes new gjs as well)
[15:55] <hellsworth> good morning folks. got busy and forgot to say hi earlier :)
[15:57] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[16:03] <hellsworth> hiya
[16:03] <hellsworth> so marcustomlinson , looking at the 6.4.6 autopkgtests you launched for me yesterday... they all passed except amd64 (uicheck-sw common failure)
[16:04] <hellsworth> would it be ok to still upload given the common test failure
[16:06] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: oh flaky? has that passed before?
[16:06] <hellsworth> yes many times
[16:06] <marcustomlinson> ok sure
[16:07] <hellsworth> it just times out.. and we talked about possibly disabling the uicheck-sw and uicheck-sc tests to avoid thrashing the lp build systems unnecessarily
[16:07] <hellsworth> but we talked about that in the context of armhf because that is where the tests are the flakiest but they are flaky in general
[16:07] <marcustomlinson> rings a bell
[16:08] <hellsworth> also, the current 6.4.6 package has a minor problem that ricotz pointed out yesterday.. the package is carrying a patch not needed (i commented it out in the series file rather than removing it all together) and it accidentally has USE_GIT_TARBALLS=y
[16:09] <hellsworth> should i fix those and rebuild? i don't think we need a new round of autopkgtests in that case
[16:10] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: those don’t sound like they need rebuild
[16:10] <marcustomlinson> just update the tree
[16:10] <hellsworth> okey dokey then i think we're all good to upload to proposed. i can drop those artifacts into google drive real quick
[16:10] <hellsworth> and i will update the tree
[16:11] <marcustomlinson> cool, gotta make dinner now, will upload a little later
[16:11] <hellsworth> yep thanks so much :)
[16:23] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: the 6.4.6 tree is updated and i tagged. and i gave you access to the artifacts to be uploaded to the unapproved queue
[16:23] <hellsworth> thanks
[16:54] <ricotz> hey hellsworth, marcustomlinson
[16:55] <hellsworth> hi there ricotz
[16:55] <ricotz> thanks for updating the packaging
[17:05] <marcustomlinson> hey ricotz
[17:28] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth, ricotz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libreoffice
[17:29] <hellsworth> thanks marcustomlinson !
[20:07] <juliank> success, the poppler patch I added a while back for glyphless fonts is now in upstream git
[20:11] <seb128> juliank, oh, good work, did they change their mind or did you change you approach?
[20:11] <juliank> It got a review
[20:11] <juliank> All that was missing was someone saying lgtm
[20:12] <juliank> Afaict, I reviewed somebody else's commit and they now got back and reviewed mine
[20:12] <juliank> It needed rebasing, which the original author did, and then it got merged :)
[20:13] <seb128> ah ok, I though that back then Albert reviewed and said he was not fine with the approach
[20:14] <juliank> Not sure if review situation is improving for poppler glib overall
[20:14] <juliank> Albert Astals Cid commented:
[20:14] <juliank> This is [only] mostly affecting the glib/cairo users, and that code is virtually unmaintained, so you need to have luck and one of the people that randomly review patches for it to end up here and approve it.
[20:14] <juliank> That was the original comment
[20:15] <juliank> And someone finally did
[20:15] <juliank> Germán Poo-Caamaño commented:
[20:15] <juliank> It looks good to me.
[20:16] <juliank> Anyway, I'm happy
[20:16] <juliank> I feel like us having shipped it for 2 years should have been review enough fwiw
[20:17] <seb128> but good to know we have one less patch to carry :-)
[20:17] <seb128> ah, I see you redid it using the recommended approach
[20:20] <seb128> bah, I was disconnected again without noticing, irc sucks sometimes :-/
[20:20] <seb128> juliank, I see, you reworked it after the initial review, I had still that one in mind, nice job getting it finally upstream :-)
[20:21] <juliank> Heh I don't even remember
[20:24] <sarnold> seb128: you didn't miss anything in this channel while you wre away
[20:25] <seb128> sarnold, thanks!
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[04:37] <WindBuntu> i am here to learn
[05:02] <JoseeAntonioR> WindBuntu: We don't have any class atm, but we'll host a series of classes called the Ubuntu User Days next week. You can learn more here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
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[21:49] <wangerin> Det var engang en bager
[21:51] <JoseeAntonioR> !de | wangerin
[21:51] <ubot2> wangerin: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!