[10:39] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know a fairly easy way to get the Firefox java plugin to work?
[10:40] <AnyKey> FroggyTheGreat, I used Automatix and it works flawlessly for me
[10:41] <FroggyTheGreat> What is Automatix?
[10:41] <AnyKey> Google a search for it and on the website is a walkthrough on typing it in the command line in downloading it and installing it.
[10:41] <FroggyTheGreat> ok, thanks
[10:41] <jriachi> mmm... is there a good program for viewing http-video-streaming? with something like the youtube buffer line, or smth like that
[10:41] <AnyKey>  best of luck FroggyTheGreat
[10:42] <AnyKey> ((repost)) Oh HELP! :)  I can't log in to the desktop from my login screen on my feisty desktop?  I log in with my name and password and I hear the login sound and "POOF!", I am quickly brought back to the login screen like I never have tried to log in yet.  Any ideas?!
[10:43] <FroggyTheGreat> Thanks.
[10:44] <BluesKaj> !automatix | FroggyTheGreat
[10:44] <ubotu> FroggyTheGreat: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:46] <sweettooth> any thoughts on my previous question?
[10:46] <sweettooth> (hey has anyone got problems transferring files back and from NTFS drives? i have an NTFS mobile drive and transferred once or twice, now it tells me that access is denied to certain folders of my mobile drive)
[10:46] <coreymon77> sweettooth: is the wifi working?
[10:47] <sweettooth> coreymon77, the wifi is working, yay!!! thx for your guidance the other day
[10:47] <Banjooie> I'm kinda curious about this automatix thing.
[10:47] <coreymon77> Banjooie: never use autmatix!
[10:47] <Banjooie> Because specifically the guy talks about how you all hate him or something.
[10:47] <coreymon77> Banjooie: never!
[10:48] <Banjooie> Oddly, I did do it once, it worked fine.
[10:48] <coreymon77> Banjooie: you were lucky
[10:48] <draik> !VNC
[10:48] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[10:48] <coreymon77> Banjooie: very
[10:48] <draik> !RDP
[10:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Banjooie: so the thing is taht since Ubuntu does't support Automatix, they really don't like that
[10:48] <coreymon77> !automatix | Banjooie
[10:48] <ubotu> Banjooie: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:48] <Banjooie> Yes, I saw the little bot thing.
[10:49] <Banjooie> the thing is, I've seen other things that install a bunch of programs, why is this one so bad?
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Banjooie: its not that we hate the project, it just makes it very hard to support people who use it
[10:49] <Banjooie> I mean, I've heard of 'EasyUbuntu' or whatever.
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> and they won't support their project
[10:49] <Banjooie> I'm just curious what it does wrong.
[10:49] <sweettooth> Banjooie, the adept stuff isnt too hard to use is it?
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> it does a lot of things like apt-get -f install
[10:49] <Banjooie> I'll tell you what: When you're first starting, yes.
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> and breaks dependecies at times
[10:50] <Banjooie> When you don't even know what a package manager is.
[10:50] <Banjooie> Admiral_Chicago: See, that's what I was curious about. Thanks.
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[10:50] <Banjooie> Like, if I hadn't had someone on AIM for the first 3-4 days telling me exactly what to do.
[10:50] <Banjooie> I would have said screw it and reinstalled Windows XP
[10:50] <sweettooth> Banjooie, that's true, remember first time i used linux, everything needed to be compiled
[10:50] <FroggyTheGreat> There's still no Shockwave Linux version, is there?
[10:50] <Banjooie> Yeah, it's becoming more user friendly, but, like, you know what would be awesome?
[10:51] <sweettooth> what?
[10:51] <sweettooth> double click, next next and finished? :P
[10:51] <Banjooie> I just want something at least where when you install the program, there's a little thing on the desktop.
[10:51] <Banjooie> --YES. But I realize that you're not allowed to have this for some reason.
[10:51] <sweettooth> lol
[10:51] <Banjooie> I realize that the very idea of an install process where you double click an icon and it installs something chills the linux developers to the very bones of their soul.
[10:52] <Banjooie> But all I want is for a little page on the desktop when you install Kubuntu that says, 'Hi! To install software, open up the package manager.'
[10:52] <sweettooth> guess things are different in Linux, i have used quite a few distro before and so far i think ubunut (or kubuntu im using) is quite simple to use
[10:52] <Banjooie> Yeah, see, that's your thing.
[10:52] <Banjooie> 'I have used quite a few distro before.'
[10:52] <Banjooie> When you're used to linux, it's totally easy and understandable. There IS no easy migration process from windows.
[10:52] <intelikey> Banjooie allowed ?   it's your hardware and your software do what you want with it.  that's what linux is all about.   linux developers are anyone that contributes code to the open source community
[10:52] <Banjooie> I'm not a coder.
[10:53] <sweettooth> Banjooie, say if you don't have mysql installed, try typing "mysql" and it does tell you that the software isn't install and what command to use in order to install it
[10:53] <Banjooie> Th--there you go.
[10:53] <Banjooie> Try typing it.
[10:53] <Banjooie> That's where you're going to lose a lot of people.
[10:53] <Banjooie> I frankly would have no idea to open up a console and type a program name to start it.
[10:53] <Banjooie> If nobody told me, I would have had no idea you could do that.
[10:54] <purpleposeidon> vmware apears to be killing dpkg....
[10:54] <FroggyTheGreat> ...That's from back in the Dos days.
[10:54] <Banjooie> It is, but not everyone used DOS.
[10:54] <AnyKey> is there a way to bring up a log file that might read what the error is when I try to log into KDE and it keeps backing me out?  Or maybe a log file that might record some error message from the initial loading of kubuntu before the login that was during the bootup process?
[10:54] <Banjooie> A lot of people started computers at 98, or XP.
[10:54] <sweettooth> true true, but i think you might need to have the heart to learn a thing or two
[10:54] <Banjooie> Yeah, but you have no place to start from.
[10:55] <Banjooie> Again, just a simple 'this is a very basic guide on how to start' so you can look more stuff up later.
[10:55] <Banjooie> Try to google 'how to use bash'.
[10:55] <Banjooie> You will find bash scripts.
[10:55] <AnyKey> search for "Bash begginers guild" errrr.. if spelling permits
[10:55] <sweettooth> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=how+to+use+bash&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[10:56] <sweettooth> that's what i
[10:56] <Banjooie> Alright, I don't think you're quite getting this.
[10:56] <sweettooth> i've got when i searched it
[10:56] <AnyKey> guide
[10:56] <Banjooie> Let's say I'd just switched from Windows XP.
[10:56] <Banjooie> Now, the only reason I did was that I screwed my windows XP install and I couldn't use safe mode because of a weird thing about my monitor.
[10:56] <Banjooie> But let's say I do it to 'see how this linux thing works.'
[10:57] <Banjooie> I see the word 'package manager.' Now, in Windows, that's some weird thing I never use. I don't know what it is in Linux, and I'm frankly afraid to click things I don't know anything about.
[10:57] <Banjooie> Nowhere is it going to tell me 'This is how you install teh phat programs'. I didn't even know what it was until a week after I started.
[10:57] <sweettooth> may be that's why we are in this channel, to ask questions, learn and help?
[10:57] <Banjooie> again
[10:58] <Banjooie> starting an OS should not require you to join IRC.
[10:58] <intelikey> Banjooie let me see if i understand all this.   1 you have used linux for a little while now and know a little about it    2 you are not a coder    3 you want to see changes in the basic install process, which others will have to write,   4 you want to see some basic tut.'s which you can write.        ok got it.  you go write the tutorials     and the coders will consider your request.
[10:58] <Banjooie> Maybe after the first week or so, wheny ou get into complex stuff
[10:58] <Banjooie> ...alright, I wil.
[10:59] <sweettooth> there might be things that aren't very user-friendly in linux, but there are a lot of things that windows cant do in here, so why not give it a go? ^^
[10:59] <n8k99> nice place to start i http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:00] <Schuenemann> how do I rename a file? this 'rename' command seem too complicated (involves regular expressions and such)
[11:00] <Banjooie> Schuenemann: Try mv oldname.extension newname.extension
[11:01] <Schuenemann> wow, this is terrible. That command was supposed to move
[11:01] <Banjooie> It does move things.
[11:01] <Banjooie> It moves it into the same folder, under a different name.
[11:01] <intelikey> one of the major and most fundimental differances in M$ and linux is the idea of 'freedom'  M$ tries to do everything for you and you just look and listen,   linux tries to give you avinues in which you can do anything you choose without making the choice for you.
[11:01] <Banjooie> Well, okay. What if I /want/ to have my hand held, though?
[11:01] <Banjooie> I should have the option of having my hand held, or not.
[11:02] <Schuenemann> I disagree this would be "doing everything for me"
[11:02] <intelikey> then install ubuntu
[11:02] <Banjooie> O
[11:02] <Banjooie> I'm using Kubuntu.  For somebody who just came off windows, starting linux does not hold your hand. Having to google ten billion things, while fun and entertaining, and I had a lot of good times, it is not holding my hand.
[11:02] <Arwen> there
[11:02] <Banjooie> ....hahaha
[11:02] <Schuenemann> I suppose this is not for me
[11:03] <sweettooth> Schuenemann, how do you rename a file in windows?
[11:03] <Schuenemann> rename file name
[11:04] <sweettooth> i usually select the file, right-click and rename
[11:04] <sweettooth> or select the file, press F2 and type in the new name
[11:04] <Schuenemann> I had no X and needed to rename xorg2 to xorg.conf
[11:04] <sweettooth> arha ic
[11:04] <vzduch> no problem doing that in Linux w/ a window manager
[11:05] <sweettooth> vzduch, yes indeed, you can do both if you are with a window manager :)
[11:05] <Schuenemann> luckily I had a file copy with that very name
[11:05] <intelikey> Schuenemann sudo mv /path/file /newpath/filesnew.name        or just cp it.
[11:07] <intelikey> cat will also work for that
[11:07] <Schuenemann> very meaningless in my opinion...
[11:08] <Banjooie> Look, despite how I've railed against Linux for the last ten minutes or so
[11:08] <Banjooie> once you learn it, oh god it's worth it.
[11:08] <Banjooie> There's a bunch of things that don't make any sense at first but they will later.
[11:09] <Schuenemann> well, using a 'move' command to rename something will never make sense to me. And having a 'rename' command makes that worse :-)
[11:09] <Schuenemann> but that's ok
[11:09] <Evolution2> i would like to install a color scheme on my kde but its a script file. i dont know how to install it?
[11:10] <intelikey> Banjooie you know how M$ always dumps you into some EUKA text and expects you to click "i accept" before you can go any farther.   i believe linux should open  "man man "    before you can install... :)
[11:10] <brendon> Schuenemann: I think you'll find that mv to rename predates "rename" by a long way.  Until Dos came along and changed things
[11:11] <Banjooie> No, because the man files are /inaccessible/ to new people.
[11:11] <rodrigo> hi any one knows how to install virtual box?
[11:11] <intelikey> !theme | Evolution2
[11:11] <ubotu> Evolution2: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[11:11] <Banjooie> They're written for computer literate people.
[11:11] <Schuenemann> brendon, I didn't know that, but I think M$ did something right there =]
[11:11] <intelikey> Banjooie inaccessible  ?
[11:11] <rodrigo> #ubuntu
[11:12] <Banjooie> I'll tell you what: I was no slouch with windows XP, I was doing clever registry and compmgmt crap before I switched.
[11:12] <Banjooie> The man pages terrified me.
[11:12] <Evolution2> intelikey: i dont understand how to install using a kate file
[11:12] <brendon> Schuenemann: Technically, mv never moves a file...
[11:12] <Banjooie> Er, I thought it did?
[11:12] <Banjooie> I thought you could move files with it.
[11:12] <gadgit> no it changes a link to it
[11:12] <intelikey> Banjooie the whole point is that you would have to learn what the "man" command does and how to get out of it....
[11:13] <Schuenemann> brendon, ok, but the name suggest "move"... technically, files do not get erased/deleted either
[11:13] <brendon> exactly, gadgit has it, the file never moves
[11:13] <Banjooie> brendon: Metaphorically, it's in a different directory, it has moved.
[11:13] <Banjooie> As far as the end user is concerned, the file has moved.
[11:13] <gadgit> right and deleting something just allows it to be overwritten with new data
[11:13] <Schuenemann> correct
[11:13] <gadgit> it's still there until something takes its place on the disk
[11:13] <intelikey> like duh.   idiots spend 10 to 20 years learning windows and expect to know linux in 2 minutes.     !
[11:14] <Banjooie> Yes!
[11:14] <joe4288> hi im having troble with azureus
[11:14] <Banjooie> You should be able to reasonably use linux right out of the box.
[11:14] <Schuenemann> intelikey, thanks
[11:14] <joe4288> first it was a java problem but i selected a non sun java and it started working
[11:14] <gadgit> I would recommend going to the azureus website and getting the most recent version, I had issues with it crashing and stopping downloads until I did that
[11:14] <joe4288> but it doesnt seem to download at all
[11:14] <intelikey> Schuenemann welcome
[11:14] <Banjooie> Like, you should, with no prior knowledge, at lest be able to check your email, read the web, and do what average people do on the computer.
[11:14] <Banjooie> You have that these days, that's cool.
[11:14] <Banjooie> Then there should be a more gradual process to get them acclimated to linux.
[11:15] <joe4288> but wont installing it with using the package manager make this weird
[11:15] <Schuenemann> I agree on that. That's why I complained about this way of renaming
[11:15] <Schuenemann> but it's ok for me
[11:15] <gadgit> just grab the jre and unzip it somewhere...then simply add a launch for azureus
[11:15] <jzilla> why not use ktorrent?
[11:15] <gadgit> uninstall it with the package manager if you have already done so
[11:15] <intelikey> Banjooie there is.  put linux in your home and school
[11:15] <gadgit> ktorrent isn't as full featured IMHO
[11:15] <joe4288> but i have torrent that are halfway downloaded
[11:15] <joe4288> and i dont just want to end them
[11:15] <gadgit> I like being able to control my downloads remotely via a WebUI
[11:16] <joe4288> i was just wonderin why it wouldnt be doing loading
[11:16] <joe4288> could it still be a java issue
[11:16] <brendon> Schuenemann: mv vs rename shouldn't be an issue for those coming from Windows... They should be using the "file manager"
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Banjooie, did you learn how to use windows correctly the first time you encountered it ? :)
[11:16] <gadgit> also I would enable the multiverse repos and install jre 6 with your package manager
[11:16] <joe4288> did that
[11:16] <gdiebel> gadgit: I like to remote control my downloads as well, I just use nx and control the box from a full xsession
[11:16] <gadgit> and your torrents stop after a while or what?
[11:16] <joe4288> no they just dont download
[11:17] <gadgit> are there seeds for the torrent you are trying to get?
[11:17] <joe4288> i connect to peers but i get no upload or download transmission
[11:17] <joe4288> yes
[11:17] <joe4288> even my seeds arnt uploading
[11:17] <Banjooie> BluesKaj: I'd say...hm.
[11:17] <gadgit> try restarting azureus and see if they pick back up.
[11:17] <joe4288> tried that they dont :(
[11:17] <Banjooie> I was using computers before Windows.
[11:17] <gadgit> Mine woulud stop every ten minutes or so till I grabbed the most recent ver. off of sourceforge.net
[11:17] <Banjooie> I was moderately confused by the switch where 'escape' didn't close a program in 3.1
[11:18] <joe4288> wait i think i figured it out looking at the consol output
[11:18] <Banjooie> But mostly my general guide here is my mother.
[11:18] <joe4288> it might me because im using a diffrenet jar from the java
[11:18] <Banjooie> Because I'm like 'well, you have to type this i--'
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Banjooie, same thing goes for Linux , except after a while you'll realize ...it just works better ;0
[11:18] <joe4288> let me change it and see what happens
[11:18] <Banjooie> and the response was
[11:18] <Banjooie> 'NO TYPING THINGS IN, I WON'T DO IT.'
[11:18] <terayam> I'm having some video preformance issues, KDE says my video ram is 256kb but I know I have at least 256mb ( I have 512 with turbocache, but I dunno if that works with linux ) and I can't seem to change the option
[11:18] <Banjooie> And until you manage to find a way to break that barrier, you're not going to break into mainstream home computing.
[11:19] <ubuntu_> i am right now trying to install kubuntu but i get the message any device is found, any ides how to solve this, i do not need to save any data in the laptop i am trying to install
[11:19] <Banjooie> You can do almost everything you need with windows xp without breaking into a command line.
[11:19] <gadgit> yeah IMO linux is much more intuitive to use than Windows...It just takes people forgetting how things worked in an AM$ world...
[11:19] <Banjooie> You CAN use the command line in windows XP, to do a lot of cool things.
[11:19] <Banjooie> But you don't have to.
[11:19] <Banjooie> In linux, you have to.
[11:19] <gdiebel> Banjooie: nonsense
[11:19] <joe4288> yea but you dont have FULL control of the system
[11:19] <joe4288> and with a good linux you dont need to use the console
[11:19] <Banjooie> Sure, but I don't see why you can't have your cake here and eat it too.
[11:19] <gadgit> I use the command line in windows to make sure my ip address is correct....and that is about it
[11:19] <joe4288> but it does help
[11:20] <Banjooie> I should be able to install something from a tarball.
[11:20] <Banjooie> Without opening a console.
[11:20] <gadgit> you can
[11:20] <joe4288> it depends on what you want to do with linux
[11:20] <Banjooie> Er, how.
[11:20] <gadgit> well not that...
[11:20] <gadgit> responded too soon
[11:20] <gadgit> but its three commands to run to install a tar ball
[11:20] <Banjooie> That needs to be changed.
[11:20] <Banjooie> Three commands too many.
[11:20] <ubuntu_> any ideas there?
[11:20] <gdiebel> Banjooie: installing from a tarball is not recommended. Use the package manager (if you are your mother for instance)
[11:20] <joe4288> the only issue i have is i cant use some of the windows programs i like
[11:21] <gadgit> use Wine
[11:21] <Banjooie> And yeah, the package maner is nice.
[11:21] <joe4288> well bangooie you can always make a script
[11:21] <Banjooie> If I could get it to stop asking for my root password every time I start it, it would be perfect.
[11:21] <joe4288> then you dont have to do anything but run the script
[11:21] <joe4288> haha no console now
[11:21] <gadgit> the only thing I have not been able to get working in Wine is Visio
[11:21] <intelikey> Banjooie confession time.   this is not a money driven venture.  most linux fanatics could hardly care less whether anyone else uses linux or not.   speeking for my self, if you want to use linux good use it. it's free, if you don't, then don't, it's still free.  but stop telling us we are doing something wrong or trying to make a competition out of it.   we are not competing with M$. nor do we want too.
[11:21] <joe4288> well my wine set up isnt working right now
[11:21] <gdiebel> Banjooie: root? wtf are you talking about. Kubuntu uses sudo
[11:21] <joe4288> havnt figured out why
[11:21] <Banjooie> Yeah, sudo. The idea here is.
[11:21] <joe4288> it says i have modules running free
[11:21] <arebenti> http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[11:22] <Banjooie> Is there some setting I'm not seeing? I understand it's very useful on a networked computer to ask for the password everywhere.
[11:22] <joe4288> no im on root right now
[11:22] <joe4288> i set it up that way :)
[11:22] <gadgit> joe4288: good point about the script, but then you can't see any errors that may get passed over during compiling
[11:22] <joe4288> i like beeing all powerful mwahahaha
[11:22] <Banjooie> ...er, you shouldn't be running in root in general, though.
[11:22] <joe4288> well you can run a script and have a consle output
[11:22] <joe4288> or even have any errors dump to a log
[11:22] <intelikey> as far as we are concerned M$ is something that that other mentality uses.  and big deal!
[11:22] <Banjooie> ...Alright. Alright, fair enough.
[11:22] <joe4288> yea i know
[11:23] <joe4288> but i love my all powerful root mwahahahaha
[11:23] <gadgit> joe4288: valid point, just my method I guess to watch it go by as I am compiling it.  if I don't do that I would probably never parse through the log.  To each their own I guess :)
[11:23] <jhutchins_lt> !sudo | Banjooie
[11:23] <ubotu> Banjooie: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:23] <Banjooie> I know what sudo is.
[11:23] <Banjooie> FFS, been using linux since last october.
[11:23] <jhutchins_lt> !kdesu | Banjooie
[11:23] <ubotu> Banjooie: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:23] <Banjooie> ....
[11:23] <joe4288> nah just doing mantince so i jumped onto root so i dont have to throw my password around every 3 secs
[11:23] <gadgit> running as root isn't really an issue if you know what you are doing
[11:23] <Banjooie> Whoa, I've been doing it wrong for months.
[11:24] <Banjooie> Seriously? You're not supposed to like
[11:24] <Banjooie> sudo wine WoW.exe -d3d -nosound
[11:24] <gadgit> I don't run wine as sudo
[11:24] <Banjooie> I have been, because WoW doesn't patch right without it
[11:24] <joe4288> no only do root when you need to config something
[11:24] <gadgit> and I have WoW running with audio and the whole shebang....actually gets more FPS than in Windoze
[11:24] <Banjooie> But I'm supposed to be using kdesu? Man.That explains a lot.
[11:25] <gadgit> well that means the directory your .wine folder in is most likely not writable by your user
[11:25] <intelikey> jhutchins_lt ^5
[11:25] <joe4288> you might want to adjust your user privigees a little if it wont let you run your stuff
[11:25] <jhutchins_lt> Banjooie: Yeah, sudo can cause the gui apps to write config files and such as root.
[11:25] <gadgit> sudo is symlinked to kdesu
[11:25] <gdiebel> joe4288: you do realize that when you use sudo, it keeps your elevated permissions for a bit so you don't need to type your password again and again. just use sudo
[11:25] <Banjooie> Huh. Yeah, I've been manually fixing that when need be.
[11:25] <jhutchins_lt> gadgit: I don't think so.
[11:25] <Banjooie> I didn't know there was an easier way.
[11:26] <joe4288> i know :( its just easyer for me to run around ass root for a little to take care of my stuff
[11:26] <joe4288> i know enough not to screw my comp up
[11:26] <joe4288> (learned the hard way on debian LOL)
[11:26] <Banjooie> Admittedly, I saw Kdesu open when I ran like synaptic but I always figured that was just some thing you had to code into the program or whatever.
[11:26] <jhutchins_lt> gadgit: /usr/bin/kdesu: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[11:26] <jhutchins_lt> Not a link.
[11:26] <gadgit> jhutchins_lt: ehh good point I guess, just allows sudo to be ran in a gui env.
[11:26] <jhutchins_lt> gadgit: Sort of like a wrapper or a shell.
[11:26] <joe4288> nah you can go to the menu editor and set a program to run as another user
[11:27] <joe4288> (like me when i installed kpackage)
[11:27] <Banjooie> Oh man, that's hilarious
[11:27] <gadgit> jhutchins_lt:accomplishes the same task though...and yes I agree...was a bit hasty with my initial post
[11:27] <intelikey> Banjooie avanues man avanues,  freedom.  many ways to get to any point.     that's what i've been saying.
[11:27] <Banjooie> Yeah, but that's the thing: What I'm hearing here is I was doing it incorrectly.
[11:27] <jhutchins_lt> joe4288: I think if you're gonna run *buntu, you should try to work with the security scheme they have in mind.
[11:28] <BluesKaj> intelikey, spelling ...avenues perhaps ? :)
[11:28] <jhutchins_lt> joe4288: If you want to run as root, a distro that intends for you to run as root might work better for you.
[11:28] <joe4288> but why? i love to do things my way
[11:28] <Banjooie> Freedom of spelling, Blues.
[11:28] <Banjooie> Freedom of spelling.
[11:28] <joe4288> well i was using debian for a long while
[11:28] <intelikey> Banjooie there is not incorrect.  there is your way my way and other ways  use the one that best suits you.
[11:28] <joe4288> and just felt like mixing it up without straying to far from known territory
[11:28] <jhutchins_lt> joe4288: Debian doesn't lock root down like ubuntu does, does it?
[11:28] <joe4288> nope
[11:29] <joe4288> you get to run root free :)
[11:29] <intelikey> BluesKaj perhaps  is that american english ?
[11:29] <joe4288> but kde does lock you out
[11:29] <BluesKaj> yeah freedon as long others understand
[11:29] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:29] <sn00py> hi! i compiled and installed ksmoothdock but it CRASHES! :( is there any alternative to it?
[11:29] <joe4288> so you have to run startx on the console it you want to run as root in a graphical enivroment
[11:29] <sn00py> i habe kde 3.5.6
[11:29] <jhutchins_lt> I try to have patience and use sudo.  I'll admit I revert to sudo -i when I have multiple tasks.
[11:30] <joe4288> see :P
[11:30] <joe4288> when you have a lot of maintence to do sometimes its just easyer to run as root
[11:30] <joe4288> huh?
[11:30] <joe4288> why would you not want a sudo system
[11:31] <joe4288> what do you do just su everything?
[11:31] <Bearhill> Hello, can anyone tell me how to install a Linksys PCMCIA card in my laptop? I am using Kubuntu 7.04. The card shows up in network, but I can't get it to find the router
[11:31] <intelikey> can't su.  it's nosuid
[11:31] <gadgit> Ah I have a question actually that has been a bit tough to google:  I have a mythtvfronted running off my desktop which is hooked to a TV in another room.  the only way I can get it to launch on the correct display is to have the icon on the TV....Needless to say it's a bit tough to click an icon that I can't see.  Anyone know what parameters I need to pass the launch to make it open on a specific display?
[11:31] <intelikey> if you are not root  there is no root access piriod
[11:31] <joe4288> then how do you do root commands?
[11:31] <joe4288> oooo i see
[11:31] <joe4288> man you like your safty huh
[11:32] <intelikey> only at time.
[11:32] <intelikey> :)
[11:32] <Bearhill> Hello, can anyone tell me how to install a Linksys PCMCIA card in my laptop? I am using Kubuntu 7.04. The card shows up in network, but I can't get it to find the router
[11:32] <joe4288> nah this is just the windows/linux family comp so im not worried about some 1 running off as root and cuasing damage
[11:32] <joe4288> so things work good this way
[11:32] <gadgit> Bearhill: what happens when you run iwconfig?
[11:33] <joe4288> Bearhill: the only problem is finding the router?
[11:33] <gadgit> Bearhill:does it list a specific interface? usually eth1, wlan0 or ath0
[11:33] <brendon> Why does nobody use "sudo bash" instead of su?
[11:33] <intelikey> but i upgraded this box from hoary to dapper just before dapper was released and it's still running it without error/flaw    so my way works for me....
[11:33] <joe4288> Bearhill: then just screw dhcp and set it up manually
[11:33] <gadgit> Bearhilldid you specify your wireless-essid in /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:33] <intelikey> !worksforme
[11:33] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:33] <brendon> Since sudo is not set up correctly on *buntu anyway
[11:33] <Arwen> but... common sense is not
[11:34] <Arwen> brendon, explain
[11:34] <brendon> Which sudo bash or not set up correctly?
[11:34] <rustalot> I think he means the part where the root password isn't used
[11:34] <joe4288> well ever 1 has there cup of tea you know
[11:34] <intelikey> sudo bash    yuch.   that can trash your permissions
[11:35] <intelikey> sudo -i    or sudo su -
[11:35] <joe4288> some people dont want any 1 but root to have any power
[11:35] <joe4288> other give every 1 sudo
[11:35] <gadgit> I agree with the sudo su
[11:35] <joe4288> others give every 1 su so
[11:35] <sn00py> hi! i compiled and installed ksmoothdock but it CRASHES! :( is there any alternative to it?
[11:35] <sn00py> i have kde 3.5.6
[11:35] <brendon> sudo is supposed to grant LIMITED root power to users
[11:35] <Arwen> sn00py, dock = fail
[11:35] <intelikey> gadgit sudo su -     it will give full root env
[11:35] <joe4288> me i have su and sudo but i still work as root just to get work done a little faster
[11:35] <sn00py> fail? why
[11:36] <sn00py> it looks great
[11:36] <Arwen> there's avant if you want... and why? they look stupid
[11:36] <gadgit> intelikey: right that's what I use when I have to do an abundance of maintenance.
[11:36] <jhutchins_lt> sudo su - is just silly.
[11:36] <Arwen> but I wont' debate it with you... *mumble* mac fanboys.... *mumble*
[11:36] <Banjooie> Sudo su is what I use all the time.
[11:37] <jhutchins_lt> Using su without the environment (-) is a bad idea.
[11:37] <jhutchins_lt> Unpredictable results.
[11:37] <Arwen> jhutchins_lt, explain
[11:37] <joe4288> well i only use su when im board
[11:37] <jhutchins_lt> Files where they should not be.
[11:37] <brendon> or predictably wrong! LOL
[11:37] <joe4288> sudo gets the job done
[11:37] <joe4288> but i normally just run as root like now because AZUREUS IS PISSING ME OFF!!!
[11:38] <joe4288> cant figure out why im not downloading
[11:38] <jhutchins_lt> sudo logs root actions, and it allows the admin to control what users can execute what commands.
[11:38] <jhutchins_lt> joe4288: You're running IRC as root!?
[11:38] <gadgit> joe4288: I'm tellin ya, grab the version off of sourceforge
[11:38] <joe4288> yea but not every 1 needs that kinda setup
[11:38] <gadgit> joe4288: solved all of my problems with azureus pissing me off
[11:38] <joe4288> i might try that
[11:38] <jhutchins_lt> No, wait, he's running bittorrent AND IRC as root!
[11:38] <joe4288> but i cant to see if i can figure out this issue
[11:38] <brendon> jhutchins_lt: only if sudo is configured properly, not an open ticket to everything
[11:39] <joe4288> yes i am :P
[11:39] <rustalot> why not use KTorrent?
[11:39] <intelikey> jhutchins_lt  well it does log via both sudo and su   and using  sudo -i  probably achieves the same end result     dont ban me  but  i think that sudo su will use root env  cause to su it was called as root   am i missing something ?      but at any rate i always do mention the dash for the login shell affects    sudo -i   or   sudo su -
[11:39] <jhutchins_lt> Next thing you're gonna post your password and ask somebody to check your setup!
[11:39] <Arwen> or rtorrent even
[11:39] <joe4288> i would but my azureus already has files downloading an di just want to finsh them
[11:39] <gadgit> joe4288: it doesn't actually install anything either, just runs the java file.  then simply point it to download in the same place it was and launch the .torrent files again to resume them.  That will also get your existing seeds going again
[11:39] <joe4288> sounds good ill probly try that
[11:39] <omega__> hy
[11:39] <joe4288> nah i dont care if any 1 runs free here
[11:40] <jhutchins_lt> intelikey: I would say use sudo -i, or enable the root account and use su -.
[11:40] <joe4288> nothing important this comp
[11:40] <joe4288> ok g2g by
[11:40] <omega__> how can i install a particular program
[11:40] <gadgit> joe4288: definitely, just don't get the vuze (3.0) version...too much bloat for my taste.  I think 2.5 is the most recent version otherwise
[11:40] <jhutchins_lt> Since we're doing more and more through the gui, getting used to sudo/kdesu is a good idea.
[11:40] <omega__> nonlinux
[11:40] <ubuntu_> newbie: no device is found when trying to install kubuntu any ideas how to solve this
[11:41] <jhutchins_lt> ubuntu_: Try the alt CD.
[11:41] <jhutchins_lt> ubuntu_: SATA?
[11:41] <brendon> kdesu is useful to run X apps over an ssh tunnel
[11:41] <intelikey> jhutchins_lt :)     but i'm doing less with the gui     (:
[11:41] <intelikey> i'm also offtopic    sorry.
[11:41] <gadgit> see other than my Mythtv box, I have never had an issue with a SATA drive in ubuntu
[11:42] <gadgit> but my mythbox is running on KnoppMyth so I believe the kernel it is using is a bit older than what 7.04 has
[11:42] <ubuntu_> what is alt cd?
[11:43] <intelikey> alternate install cdrom
[11:43] <gadgit> doesn't have the livecd portion of it and is a traditional linux installer
[11:43] <jhutchins_lt> ubuntu_: More options on how it installs.
[11:43] <gadgit> more text based I guess is my way of describing it....and a hell of a lot faster
[11:43] <ubuntu_> i am using the leve cd
[11:43] <ubuntu_> live
[11:44] <darkrift411> anyone know a good program in linux to rebuild avi index? and no, divxfix didnt work for me
[11:44] <intelikey> live cd install = more M$ like install, less options less control less freedom.
[11:44] <Arwen> darkrift411, eh... VLC can do it for you, but... I'd recommend ditching AVI, it's a crappy container
[11:44] <darkrift411> well
[11:45] <prestwick> Hey guys, just installed Kubuntu Feisty and when it gets to GRUB, just after it starts to boot the screen goes blank and the PC reboots. Am using an AMD Athlon 64 X2 with a  nforce4 motherboard and a Maxtor Diamondmax 9 80gb HDD
[11:45] <darkrift411> i want to see the last half of a movie
[11:45] <Arwen> the harder way would be to use mencoder and remux it into a fresh container
[11:45] <darkrift411> and vlc doestn seem to be able to handle it
[11:45] <Arwen> darkrift411, use mencoder to remux it
[11:45] <darkrift411> i want to avoid a long drawn out process
[11:45] <darkrift411> just to see the last half of a movie
[11:45] <Arwen> well, no effort in, no results out
[11:45] <TheGateKeeper> !grub
[11:45] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> prestwick: ^^^^
[11:46] <prestwick> Ah but I don't think its GRUB
[11:46] <Arwen> darkrift411, for example, mencoder -o fixed.avi -of avi -oac copy -ovc copy broken.avi works
[11:46] <prestwick> GRUB does its job, it boots the kernal but straight after that, the point where it is meant to start booting Kubuntu proper, it just goes blank and reboots.
[11:47] <intelikey> prestwick no i dont think grub either
[11:47] <TheGateKeeper> well as you are using a maxtor you could try badblocks to check the hdd
[11:47] <prestwick> badblocks?
[11:47] <mike-kubuntu> hey, after the latest nvidia update for some reason my nvidia kernel module is version 1.0.76** unless i log into a virtual console and do a sudo rmmod nvidia and then sudo modprobe nvidia, then x starts up fine, any idea what package to reconfigure or how to fix this?
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> yep it checks the state of your hdd
[11:48] <prestwick> I noticed that I had exactly the same trouble booting from the livecd but when I put "noacpi" and "nolacpi" it worked
[11:48] <intelikey> prestwick but what you describe is not something easily traced,   it's probably in the initramfs.   and most likely some hardware probe that trips the reset protocal
[11:48] <Schuenemann> how do I check if I have a certain module installed?
[11:48] <jhutchins_lt> You know, recovering a "broken" avi file presumes there's enough data there that recovery is possible.
[11:48] <Arwen> ^^
[11:48] <Ray-> NickPresta: hello
[11:48] <darkrift411> encoder -o fixed.avi -of avi -oac copy -ovc copy broken.avi <----- that the command (with names changed) ?
[11:49] <Arwen> if VLC/divxfix can't repair it, it's probably more than a b0rk3d index
[11:49] <jhutchins_lt> prestwick: So did you add those to the boot options on the install?
[11:49] <Arwen> darkrift411, yes, and if it doesn't work, it means your file is truly broken
[11:49] <prestwick> I did but I don't think I did it correctly because the same thing happened
[11:49] <intelikey> prestwick yep there you go.    try booting with noacpi and see if it boots
[11:49] <TheGateKeeper> prestwick: well check /boot/grub/menu.lst has got the correct info
[11:50] <prestwick> okie
[11:50] <jhutchins_lt> You would think the installer would check for special options used to boot the system, but no, you have to add those manually.
[11:50] <intelikey> prestwick at the grub splash   [etc]    select the boot option and   [e]     select the kernel line and   [e]   add noacpi and [enter]  [b]
[11:50] <Schuenemann> how do I check if I have a certain module installed?
[11:51] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: installed or loaded/
[11:51] <jhutchins_lt> ?
[11:51] <intelikey> lsmod
[11:51] <darkrift411> file not found 'encoder'
[11:51] <Schuenemann> huh... loaded
[11:51] <mike-kubuntu> I've read linux-restricted-modules comes with every version of nvidia-kernel- modules, wheres the config file that tells it which module to load?
[11:51] <darkrift411> oh
[11:51] <darkrift411> nvm
[11:51] <Ray-> I'm trying to change the ip address of my kubuntu but I cann't it says invalid gateway IP address, I joined beore and NickPresta told me to change it from /etc/network/interfaces I chnage the eth0 dhcp to static and I set address and submask and gateway but it didnt work
[11:51] <prestwick> Gatekeeper: It obviously didn't as I checked and it didn't have noacpi, it works now.
[11:51] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: sudo lsmod | grep <name>
[11:51] <Schuenemann> intelikey, any way of not having to read them all? a grep-like
[11:51] <Schuenemann> thanks
[11:51] <Ray-> I did restart X as well
[11:51] <ubuntu_> the hard dis is not found when installing how can i solve this
[11:52] <brendon> Ray-: Sounds like you didn't put the correct info in interfaces
[11:52] <intelikey> Schuenemann installed or loaded ?     installed   modprobe -l | grep blah     loaded   lsmod | grep blah
[11:52] <TheGateKeeper> prestwick: cool :-)
[11:52] <jhutchins_lt> ubuntu_: Start by using the alternate install CD.  Tell us what kind of disk it is that's not found.
[11:52] <prestwick> Be right back, just going to switch to Konversation on my new Kubuntu install :D
[11:52] <prestwick> Thanks for the help Gatekeeper, InteliKey & Jhutchins
[11:52] <Ray-> brendon: I got the ifconfig log I will paste in the paste website hold
[11:52] <Schuenemann> if a module is loaded, it of course is installed, right?
[11:52] <brendon> Schuenemann: just add | grep <whatever>
[11:53] <brendon> yes
[11:53] <intelikey> Schuenemann and the modprobe -l will say blah-blah   but the lsmod will say blah_blah   so try to use the correct one in the grep or avoid them altogather
[11:53] <intelikey> Schuenemann yes if it's loaded it's installed   hehhe
[11:54] <Schuenemann> what's the difference of those blah-blah? just that character in the middle?
[11:54] <Ray-> brendon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27861/
[11:54] <brendon> Ray-: BTW (important for Windows converts) restarting X has nothing to do with networking or linux or anything else, except the window
[11:54] <darkrift411> the last half of the movie is gone now Arwen
[11:54] <intelikey> jhutchins_lt but of course,  this is linux after all.
[11:54] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: Right.  Often a good idea to use a fragment of the name - less chance for error.
[11:54] <brendon> Ray-: Ok, I'm looking
[11:55] <darkrift411> guess ill redownlaod
[11:55] <darkrift411> the 4th time
[11:55] <Prestwick> Argh!
[11:55] <Schuenemann> hum... weird
[11:55] <Arwen> darkrift411, well, that's what you get for downloading pirated movies
[11:55] <darkrift411> new source
[11:55] <darkrift411> lol
[11:55] <Arwen> here's a hint: GO BUY THEM
[11:55] <Arwen> and next time, don'
[11:55] <intelikey> Schuenemann yes the dash or underscore
[11:55] <darkrift411> i do buy them
[11:55] <darkrift411> when they come out
[11:55] <Arwen> and next time, don't get an AVI, find an MKV
[11:55] <Schuenemann> Mortal Kombat V ?
[11:55] <darkrift411> lol
[11:55] <Arwen> ...
[11:56] <Ray-> brendon: I wanna change the inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:56] <Arwen> Ray-, lol, your network is malconfigured. 169.x.x.x means unconfigured
[11:57] <brendon> Ray-: best to pastie your interfaces file!
[11:57] <Prestwick> Where is the guide to install the ATI fglrx?
[11:57] <Arwen> !fglrx | Prestwick
[11:57] <ubotu> Prestwick: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:57] <intelikey> Schuenemann err. disreguard the dash part.  it seems that modprobe -l lists underscored names.  but the modprobe command for inserting and removing modules is build for dash name   so in your search the point was moot.
[11:57] <Prestwick> Nice one Arwen, cheers.
[11:57] <Schuenemann> intelikey, alrite
[11:58] <Ray-> brendon: okey I will reboot and get you the interfaces, I got only on PC and I still dont have internet on the kubuntu I'm on XP now
[11:58] <brendon> Ray-: What IP do you want?
[11:59] <vzduch> Ray-: install Ext2IFS
[11:59] <intelikey> vzduch install it from where ?
[11:59] <Ray-> I want <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:59] <jhutchins_lt> Ray-: sudo ifconfig - you might want to man ifconfig first.
[11:59] <intelikey> vzduch oh for access to the ext fs from windows   i see.
[12:00] <vzduch> http://www.fs-driver.org/download/Ext2IFS_1_10c.exe
[12:00] <Ray-> jhutchins: I tried to add but it says access denide, so sudo is the root thingie right? coz I tried su - and su root but it didnt work
[12:00] <vzduch> install, then reboot & you can mount your ext3 volumes read/write in Windoze
[12:00] <Arwen> ext2ifs not free software though, you've been warned
[12:01] <vzduch> Arwen: Windows is not free software, you've been warned :D
[12:01] <Ray-> I should add an I line somewhere so they can see the other OS media storage
[12:01] <Ray-> brb
[12:01] <intelikey> windows ?   what's that ?
[12:01] <Ray-> I'll see what I can do
[12:02] <Prestwick> Windows? Never heard of it guv'nor
[12:02] <jhutchins_lt> There's xwindows, but that' free.

[12:02] <Arwen> cmon, we don't need trolls here
[12:02] <Arwen> geesh
[12:03] <intelikey> it's not trolling to dis on something that hates you.
[12:03] <intelikey> :)
[12:03] <Arwen> .........................
[12:03] <Prestwick> *buried in full stops* x_x
[12:05] <Prestwick> Hey, why have the Debian people made their own version of Firefox?
[12:05] <Arwen> because Firefox isn't free
[12:05] <Prestwick> Well, the parts of it that it uses are not free, right?
[12:06] <Arwen> yes
[12:06] <Prestwick> I didn't actually realise that haha
[12:07] <Prestwick> What parts are the ones causing all the fuss then?
[12:07] <intelikey> you know.  the first time i saw ff, not knowing anything about that. i imediately didn't like it. and had no real idea why.    and never have liked ff sense...
[12:07] <Arwen> Prestwick, the logos
[12:08] <Arwen> intelikey, ....
[12:08] <Prestwick> Arwen: my god! The swine!
[12:09] <intelikey> some people lobe vesta ...     so?
[12:09] <Ray-> I'll paste what I got
[12:09] <VSpike> lobe jobs... heh heh
[12:09] <Arwen> intelikey, please stop trolling....
[12:09] <Arwen> VSpike, hah
[12:10] <Ray-> brendon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27867/ this is the interfaces
[12:11] <intelikey> router not set to dhcp ?
[12:11] <Ray-> and this when I tried to sudo ifconfig add
[12:11] <Ray-> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27870/
[12:12] <Ray-> intelikey: no not dhcp :/
[12:12] <Ray-> I wanna make the internet works on the kubuntu :<
[12:13] <intelikey> so i don't know much about networking but if the router is not dhcp and the box is using all dhcp isn't that bound to fail ?
[12:13] <brendon> Ray-: I edit the file manually... never used ifconfig to add an address!
[12:14] <brendon> Ray-: you want "man interfaces" to get the format
[12:14] <Ray-> brendon: I tried the kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[12:14] <Ray-> but I dont know how to set it
[12:14] <Ray-> which interface to use what to change can you guide me guys?