[06:19] <kaushal> hi
[06:19] <nisshh> kaushal, whats up?
[06:21] <kaushal> is there a irc channel for debugging wireless issues on Ubuntu ?
[06:22] <kaushal> I am faced with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/533367/
[06:25] <kaushal> nisshh: hi
[06:25] <nisshh> hmmm
[06:26] <nisshh> kaushal, where is that output from? a logfile?
[06:28] <kaushal> nisshh: Its from a daemon log
[06:29] <nisshh> kaushal, so is your wireless choppy? has dropouts? doesnt work at all? or what?
[06:30] <kaushal> wireless choppy ?
[06:33] <nisshh> kaushal, like is it slow sometimes
[06:33] <kaushal> yes
[06:34] <nisshh> ah ok
[06:34] <nisshh> kaushal, how often does that message appear in your logs?
[06:34] <kaushal> also is there a way to find lspci -vvv | grep "Network"
[06:34] <kaushal> I mean full output for the wireless card
[06:34] <kaushal> when i run that command i see only a line
[06:35] <nisshh> which is?
[06:35] <kaushal> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[06:35] <kaushal> and not details
[06:35] <blahdeblah> kaushal: I don't know about the avahi stuff, but that WPA supplicant stuff is just harmless noise, in my experience.
[06:35] <nisshh> well, thats because your being too specific with grep
[06:35] <kaushal> oh ok
[06:35] <nisshh> blahdeblah, +1
[06:35] <kaushal> nisshh: so what would be the option for grep ?
[06:35] <kaushal> to print the rest of the lines
[06:35] <kaushal> is it -C 5 ?
[06:35] <nisshh> kaushal, try | grep wireless
[06:36] <blahdeblah> kaushal: Do you have a Windows laptop around?
[06:36] <kaushal> ok
[06:36] <nisshh> with no double quotes
[06:36]  * blahdeblah hangs his head in shame for having to ask the question
[06:36] <kaushal> nisshh: nope
[06:36] <nisshh> blahdeblah, bad bad boy! :)
[06:36] <kaushal> it doesnot result anything
[06:36] <nisshh> kaushal, what info are you trying to find anyway? your IP address or something?
[06:37] <kaushal> nope
[06:37]  * blahdeblah slaps himself on the wrist, but consoles himself with his excellent taste in music presently playing.
[06:38] <kaushal> nisshh: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/533369/
[06:38] <kaushal> so i am interested to get that output using lscpi
[06:38] <blahdeblah> kaushal: In my experience, most problems with poor wifi performance are caused by interference.
[06:38] <kaushal> I know i can use lscpi -vvv | less
[06:38] <blahdeblah> If you're able to, download a copy of this http://xirrus.com/library/downloads/XirrusWiFiInspectorSetup.1.2.0.exe onto a Windows box, and do a quick survey of the area.
[06:38] <kaushal> but i need to go through each and every hardware
[06:39] <nisshh> kaushal, why?
[06:39] <nisshh> oh wait, i see
[06:39] <kaushal> blahdeblah: sure
[06:39] <kaushal> blahdeblah: what does it do ?
[06:39] <nisshh> kaushal, also, you are using the ath5k driver, which has known issues, so there is an ath9k driver too
[06:39] <blahdeblah> It tells you what wireless networks are in range, and how strong they are, etc.
[06:39] <kaushal> oh ok
[06:39] <kaushal> nisshh: sure
[06:40] <blahdeblah> When i did a survey around my place, i found that there was so much interference on the 2.4 GHz that it basically was not viable to use it at all.  I ended up buying a 5 GHz-capable access point.
[06:40] <kaushal> nisshh: i was interested in that command
[06:40] <nisshh> blahdeblah, thats what the network indicator does on Ubuntu :)
[06:40] <nisshh> kaushal, ah ok
[06:40] <blahdeblah> nisshh: If you haven't used it, don't knock it - it's heaps better than anything i've found on Linux
[06:40] <nisshh> blahdeblah, fair enough i guess :)
[06:40] <kaushal> nisshh: basically how do i get that output
[06:41] <blahdeblah> kaushal: There were even some idiots in my area using channel 3 & 9, thereby trashing two channels at once!
[06:41] <kaushal> without going through each and every hardware
[06:41] <kaushal> nisshh: is it lspci -vvv | grep -C 10 "Network"
[06:42] <nisshh> kaushal, try grep Wireless or grep Network
[06:43] <nisshh> kaushal, also when using | less, you can use page up/down to scroll as well i think
[06:43] <blahdeblah> That's the way i would do it: lspci -vvv|less, then search for Network
[06:45] <nisshh> yeah
[06:45] <nisshh> blahdeblah, i bet darkrose would know how to do it more specifically :)
[06:45] <blahdeblah> so would man lspci, no doubt
[06:46] <darkrose> o.o
[06:46] <nisshh> haha
[06:46] <nisshh> the beast awakens :)
[06:46] <darkrose> what are you wanting to do?
[06:47] <nisshh> darkrose, kaushal wants to know how to use grep on the end of lspci to find the detailed info about his wireless hardware
[06:47] <nisshh> but he isnt getting the juicy details, just his card manufacturer
[06:54] <blahdeblah> nisshh: There is a way to limit lspci output to just certain types of device - check man page
[06:56] <darkrose> lspci -vvvv | awk '/net/ {f=1}f' | tac | awk '/^$/ {f=1}f' | awk '/^[0-9]/ {f=1}f' | tac
[06:57]  * darkrose gives blahdeblah a preemptive panadol
[06:59] <nisshh> blahdeblah, yeah i know, i cant remember how though :)
[06:59] <nisshh> darkrose, you want kaushal to use awk? damn!
[07:01] <blahdeblah> darkrose: bwahahaha - not only old-school, but ugly as well!
[07:01] <darkrose> :D
[07:02] <nisshh> blahdeblah, it may be old school but awk is very powerful :)
[07:02] <head_victim> blahdeblah: bought an external drive today, should be setting it up tonight to copy across the repository. Should be able to set it up on that laptop to be a portable repository for your meeting ideas.
[07:03] <blahdeblah> nisshh: You have no idea how ironic that sounds - i've been using awk since you were in nappies.
[07:03] <blahdeblah> nisshh, kaushal: http://ubuntu-au.pastebin.com/V9u9x2Y2
[07:03] <blahdeblah> nisshh, kaushal: Pastebin from my laptop - just find the id, then use -s to select only that
[07:03] <nisshh> blahdeblah, meh, when i was in nappies i was hacking on the linux kernel :)
[07:03] <blahdeblah> nisshh: I don't believe you.  :-)
[07:04] <nisshh> blahdeblah, bah! :)
[07:04] <darkrose> s/hack/poop/
[07:04]  * blahdeblah goes back to his firewall rule editing session
[07:05] <blahdeblah> head_victim: cool - sounds good.
[07:08] <head_victim> blahdeblah: just gotta work out how to set it up so I can share it across a lan and just have people put in the right lines to their sources.list and have it work.
[07:14]  * darkrose goes back to coding skynet
[07:19]  * blahdeblah makes a note to kill darkrose as soon as he gets over the flu
[07:20] <blahdeblah> head_victim: HTTP is best - just install apache and put in a directory section in the config and you're done.
[07:24] <head_victim> blahdeblah: sounds easy enough for even me to do.
[07:27] <head_victim> What switches do you use to rsync the mirror? I was using -vtlr, is that sufficient to get what is needed done?
[08:27] <blahdeblah> head_victim: That looks good to me - once it's running reliably, i would probably drop the -v
[11:46] <head_victim> blahdeblah: cool, will be my first foray into apache so at least I'll be learning stuff as well
[15:38] <chloe> hi,all
[15:39] <chloe> quit


[03:53] <twb> lilstevie: why doesn't nvflash work with SBKv2?  Because they rearchitected stuff, or just because nobody knows that SBK yet?
[03:54] <twb> (Reading http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/How_to_install_Ubuntu_on_an_Asus_EEEPad_Transformer)
[05:03] <lilstevie> twb: unknown SBK
[05:04] <twb> k
[05:05] <lilstevie> also sorry about the late reply, was out with the nurses protest thingy supporting my gf
[05:10] <twb> np
[05:11] <infinity> lilstevie: How dare you put personal relationships before community porting support.
[05:13] <twb> infinity: you should be frowning on him hanging out with an aussie girl instead of a nice respectable nz one :P
[05:15] <lilstevie> twb: shhhh
[05:15] <twb> I was trying to work a Pyramus and Thisbe angle but I can't make it funny enough
[05:16] <lilstevie> heh
[05:16] <lilstevie> man sooo many people were out for the protest though
[05:16] <lilstevie> shoulda seen all the trams stopped on swanston
[05:17] <twb> Presumably "nurses protest" isn't protesting that there *are* nurses
[05:18] <lilstevie> twb: no it is about the shit the govt is trying to do in the new enterprise agreement
[05:18] <twb> Mm
[05:19] <twb> Nurses have had a bad run for decades AFAICT
[05:19] <lilstevie> yeah
[05:19] <lilstevie> but they are trying to replace nurses with unqualified assistants in nursing
[05:19] <lilstevie> the protest is really for the patients, not the nurses
[05:19] <twb> What could POSSIBLY go wrong
[05:20] <lilstevie> nothing, if you want to believe the health minister
[05:33] <infinity> twb: I was married to an Aussie girl...
[05:35] <twb> infinity: but you got better?
[05:38] <infinity> twb: Well, there's that, yes.
[05:41] <twb> Anyways, I was having a dig at lilstevie because he's a kiwi
[05:42] <infinity> I stand united with my kiwi brethren.
[05:42] <infinity> They're like Australia's Canada.
[05:43] <infinity> With more sheep sex.
[05:43] <infinity> But still.
[05:44] <twb> I was thinking more England and Wales:P
[05:44] <twb> Anyway, .au has plenty of sheep sex, just not in the middle of suburban streets :P
[05:45] <infinity> I meant more than Canada. ;)
[05:47] <twb> oh right
[05:47] <twb> Yeah I guess they have cattle or something, instead
[05:47] <twb> Or hockey pucks
[05:47] <infinity> *glare*
[05:48] <StevenK> Or hockey players. They don't have teeth.
[05:49] <infinity> And I'm spent.
[05:49] <twb> I don't wish to know that!
[05:49] <infinity> Then don't read it!
[05:49] <infinity> Quick.
[05:50] <infinity> Unread, unread!
[05:50] <infinity> StevenK: Also, do you hilight on the word "Australia" or something?
[05:50]  * infinity is tempted to start hilighting on "maple syrup".
[05:50] <StevenK> Haha
[05:52] <twb> infinity: more like "sheep sex"
[05:53] <infinity> twb: I was being kind.
[05:53] <infinity> (I like to keep StevenK off-guard)
[05:53] <StevenK> Just wait until Budapest.
[05:53] <twb> So which one of you two is the sheep
[05:53] <infinity> StevenK: We're letting you come to that?
[05:54] <twb> Someone from #ubuntu-server wanted to pay me to go to Orlando
[06:02] <lilstevie> lol
[06:05] <twb> I was all "hahahanooooooo"
[06:06] <lilstevie> sure, I'll do it, for.... 1 million dollars
[06:06] <twb> I really meant he'd pay for fare and accommodation or whatever out of canonical's pocket
[06:07] <lilstevie> oh lol
[06:43] <lilstevie> today == crap
[06:43] <lilstevie> now I need to go to some thing for gfs sisters school
[07:30] <yam_> hello, i just finished writing the ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.gz to an SD card, i have a beagleboard-xm rev A2 and i turned it on with the sd card in. i got the ubuntu log in screen (no initial user configuration first) and i dont knoow how to log in (ubuntu,temppwd didnt work). can anyone help me please?
[07:32] <int_ua> yam_: I can assume chrooting with qemu but I'm not sure it's the best choice
[07:34] <yam_> btw, my host pc is win 7, so i used win32diskimager to wite the image
[07:35] <yam_> int_ua, what do u mean with "chrooting"? how do i do that?
[07:42] <yam_> can anyone help please?
[07:53] <yam_> does the oneiric 11.0 (ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img) should work fine with my board? (beagleboard-xm rev A2)
[07:54] <int_ua> yam_: oh, I didn't have experience with chroot from windows.
[07:55] <int_ua> yam_: But if you have some linux somewhere beside I can post commands here
[07:56] <yam_> that would be great, thatnk u
[07:58] <int_ua> yam_: Or you can simply edit /etc/passwd if you can mount ext filesystem
[07:58] <int_ua> yam_: to add user without password I mean
[08:03] <yam_> ok, i will try that
[08:04] <yam_> do u have an idea about the oneiric with my board?
[08:06] <int_ua> yam_: Why wouldn't it work?
[08:07] <int_ua> yam_: Did you checked if it's OMAP3 or OMAP4?
[08:07] <yam_> i dont know, im new to all of this
[08:07] <yam_> its an omap3
[08:09] <int_ua> yam_: ok, I don't see any reason for it to not work :)
[08:10] <yam_> ok, and if everything with the img writing will go well, i sould see the initial user config on the first boot with the sd card, right?
[08:11] <yam_> (if it will still wont work, i will try your suggestion with the passwd editing)
[08:13] <int_ua> yam_: hm. AFAIK, you have to add user before starting it. At least I did. I agree that it have to work the way you mentioned. But it didn't for me.
[08:16] <int_ua> yam_: But according to wiki it have to ask you, yes
[08:16] <int_ua> yam_: So I assume you try without adding user manually first
[08:17] <int_ua> yam_: Maybe I just never tried booting it without a user :)
[08:17] <yam_> do u know a easy way to access the sd ext filesystem with windows?
[08:18] <yam_> (to edit the passwd file)
[08:23] <int_ua> yam_: According to wiki: After this process completes the system will reboot and prompt for first  boot information (create username/password, region, timezone, language  support, etc) ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall#line-56 )
[08:24] <int_ua> yam_: So please try booting it without editing
[08:24] <yam_> i just did and got this:
[08:24] <yam_> MMC: block number 0x1 exceeds max(0x0) ** Can't read from device 0 **  ** Unable to use mmc 0:1 for fatload ** Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image!
[08:24] <int_ua> oh
[08:25] <yam_> with orange screen on the monitor
[08:25] <int_ua> Then users is not your problem :)
[08:25] <int_ua> yet
[08:26] <yam_> this is with the oneiric image
[08:27] <yam_> the 10.10 version had only the user problem, maybe i will go back to it
[08:27] <int_ua> yam_: What is the partitioning scheme of the SD? Can you check it?
[08:27] <int_ua> ah
[08:27] <int_ua> I think I got it
[08:28] <yam_> how to check?
[08:28] <int_ua> 10.10 did change partitioning scheme
[08:28] <int_ua> Did you use instructions for 10.10 on 11.10 image?
[08:28] <yam_> yep
[08:28] <int_ua> sorry, 11.10 did change
[08:29] <yam_> i had the same problem with the Natty Narwhal (11.04)
[08:30] <yam_> and the instruction there was the same as 10.10
[08:30] <int_ua> yam_:  IIRC 10.10 image is the image of one partition and 11.10 is the image of the whole SD
[08:31]  * int_ua thinks
[08:31] <int_ua> yam_:  But you write it to SD, not to one of it's partitions?
[08:32] <yam_> yes, i wrote the all image
[08:33] <int_ua> yam_: about checking partitioning scheme: I can help you with linux tools for that: fdisk, palimpsest, (g)parted,... But I don't remember how they are called in windows.
[08:34] <yam_> i used Win32ImageWriter
[08:34] <int_ua> however there was some disk manager built-in
[08:34] <yam_> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapNetbook#On_older_Beagleboards)
[08:35] <int_ua> hm. You've done everything right, it seems
[08:35] <yam_> i think i will write the 10.10 image again and try to solve the user problem
[08:36] <int_ua> Maybe try something like dskmgr
[08:38] <yam_> how do i boot the board with command line insted of the ubuntu log in screen?
[08:38] <int_ua> wait
[08:38] <yam_> i have serial connection with a terminal opend at my pc
[08:39] <int_ua> The link you provided. #On_older_Beagleboards Isn't it your case?
[08:40] <int_ua> oh
[08:40] <yam_> no
[08:40] <int_ua> see below for XM
[08:40] <yam_> "On Pandaboard and BeagleXM (rev A) just switch on the board with the SD card inserted. "
[08:40] <yam_> im using rev A2
[08:40] <int_ua> oh
[08:40] <int_ua> :)
[08:42] <yam_> ok, i just finished with the 10.10 writing and boot the board for the first time
[08:43] <yam_> i got the log in screen (user problem)
[08:43] <yam_> still cant log in
[08:45] <yam_> i will install an ext reader for windows (http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html) and try to edit the passwd file
[08:52] <yam_> ok, i can see the file
[08:52] <yam_> how to edit it? :)
[08:53] <int_ua> yam_: Are you asking what is the best software for it or what should you write into it?
[08:53] <yam_> what to write
[08:54] <yam_> in order to add a new user (with or oithout password)
[08:55] <int_ua> http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?passwd+5
[08:55] <int_ua> yam_: It would be better if you understand what to write than me writing it for you, isn't it? :)
[08:56] <yam_> right, i just started reading at http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/understanding-etcpasswd-file-format/
[08:58] <int_ua> yam_: yeah, I just wanted to say that man misses some points. Your link is better
[08:59] <yam_> is there a way reading the root password  stored in /etc/shadow? (my file is starting with "root:x:...)
[08:59] <yam_> is it possible just to change the "x" to any password i want?
[09:00] <int_ua> IIRC you can just cleat it
[09:00] <int_ua> and login withou pass
[09:00] <int_ua> *clear
[09:00] <yam_> just clear all the file? (empty file)
[09:01] <int_ua> nonono
[09:01] <yam_> clear the x?
[09:01] <int_ua> root:!:...
[09:01] <yam_> ok
[09:01] <int_ua> put an exclamation mark
[09:02] <int_ua> no, sorry, my bad
[09:03] <int_ua> If the password field contains some string that is not a valid
[09:03] <int_ua>            result of crypt(3), for instance ! or *, the user will not be able
[09:03] <int_ua>            to use a unix password to log in (but the user may log in the
[09:03] <int_ua>            system by other means).
[09:04] <int_ua> yeah, just delete it
[09:05] <yam_> all the file? or just the x?
[09:06] <int_ua> just the password :)
[09:12] <ogra_> yam_, if you dont get the installer after the second boot (note the first boot does some essential configuration, make sure it did that properly), then just start over
[09:12] <ogra_> the installer does a lot more than just creating a user, you seriously want that it runs :)
[09:13] <yam_> how do i run it after loging in?
[09:13] <ogra_> you cant
[09:13] <ogra_> as i said, start over and make sure that the first step up to the automatic reboot runs
[09:14] <ogra_> if oyu use the desktop image it will tell you about the resize on the ubuntu splash screen
[09:14] <ogra_> if you use the server image this output is on the serial console
[09:16] <ogra_> poking around in password files or the like will *not* get you a properly configured system in the end
[09:16] <yam_> so its better to edit the passwd file before the first boot?
[09:16] <ogra_> no
[09:16] <ogra_> *dont* touch the image, let it do its job
[09:17] <yam_> but its not loading the configuration on the first boot
[09:18] <ogra_> it should load the interactive on *second* boot ...
[09:19] <ogra_> and only *after* the automatic config on second boot did run
[09:19] <ogra_> if that didnt run, start over, dd it newly to the card, dont waste time to get it running in a broken state
[09:19] <ogra_> you will just end up with a mess
[09:21] <yam_> "second" time is after booting with the modified passwd file?
[09:22] <ogra_> no
[09:22] <ogra_> *dont* touch the image
[09:23] <ogra_> start over and let it do its automatic bits
[09:24] <int_ua> ogra_: Thanks a lot, I didn't know that it was configuring itself. It's not the case for the Core image, right?
[09:24] <ogra_> do a fresh dd, fiddling manually with the image wont gain you much
[09:24] <ogra_> int_ua, ubuntu-core isnt an image at all, its the base for an image
[09:24] <yam_> i tried 4 times, every time i ended with the log in screen
[09:25] <ogra_> yam_, with a freshly dd'ed image ?
[09:25] <yam_> no, i just unzipped the .gz file again
[09:26] <ogra_> int_ua, so there is *nothing* configured in ubuntu-core ... on purpose, we expect the person using ubuntu-core to have some knowledge about how to create an actual image from it (during this cycle we will also add some ducumentation for this)
[09:26] <ogra_> yam_, why do you unzip the file ?
[09:27] <yam_> im using win32diskimager
[09:27] <ogra_> hmm
[09:27]  * ogra_ has no clue how that thing works
[09:27] <yam_> "ownload the image and extract it using WinZip or some other archive utility. Then use Win32ImageWriter to write the unzipped img file to your flash device. "
[09:27] <yam_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[09:28] <ogra_> i wonder if it messes it up (it shouldnt, but i have never used this tool)
[09:29] <ogra_> oh, and do you actually try to install 10.10 ? or is that just for the disk-imager howto ?
[09:29] <ogra_> i think the A2 is newer thzan 10.10, so the kernel and bootloader might not fully support it, use some recent image instead
[09:30] <yam_> i think that if it let me go all the way to thr log in screen, it was writen in the correct way, but im not sure
[09:30] <ogra_> you shouldnt see a login screen at all
[09:30] <ogra_> there is a configuration going on asking you a lot of queestions, and then it configures the system for about 15-20min
[09:31] <ogra_> and only *then* you should see a login screen
[09:31] <ogra_> (and note this is all on *second* boot, on the first boot there is nothing interactive at all, it will prepare the SD card and adjust the partitioning etc, fully automatic)
[09:32] <ogra_> so first of all, make sure to have a recent image
[09:32] <ogra_> try 11.10 instead of 10.10
[09:32] <ogra_> 10.10 is a year old, the XM A2 wasnt existing at that time
[09:32] <ogra_> (i think)
[09:33] <int_ua> ogra_: where is this first-boot-settings executable located?
[09:33] <ogra_> int_ua, in the initrd
[09:34] <ogra_> and it only enables the second stage configuration if all the bitsit does  have worked
[09:35] <ogra_> so ending up at a login screen on second boot indicates that the first setp didnt work for whatever reason
[09:35] <int_ua> ogra_: I'm using recent images on the Nokia N900 and I've never seen them configuring. But maybe that's my fault. I'm using a script to install it and add some N900-specific hacks: https://code.launchpad.net/~xintx-ua/ubuntu-n900/ubuntu-n900-installer
[09:35] <ogra_> the n900 image isnt done by us
[09:35] <ogra_> no ideahow they work
[09:36] <int_ua> I'm using OMAP3 preinstalled images
[09:36] <ogra_> all ubuntu preinstalled images definitely use that step
[09:36] <int_ua> and Core
[09:37] <ogra_> well, as i said, core is for people that know what to do with it :) it was initially designed for IVI systems that dont want a user etc
[09:37] <ogra_> (but can indeed be used to design other images, or just be used as a development chroot or whatever)
[09:38] <int_ua> ogra_: then what is stopping that initrd script from booting?...
[09:38] <ogra_> ubuntu-core is what you get using debootstrap
[09:38] <ogra_> int_ua, no idea, might be that the resizing fails or something, it would tell you on the screen
[09:39] <int_ua> ogra_: it just boots without any first-boot-ish messages
[09:39] <int_ua> ogra_: Can you suggest what could possibly stop it from executing?
[09:40] <ogra_> if it doesnt start at all, that might either be because he isnt using the right initrd bceause he modified the image in some way, because the kernel or bootloader miss capabilities or because he edited boot.scr in a way that it fdoesnt get the right options
[09:40] <int_ua> oh, boot.scr
[09:40] <int_ua> I never used it because it never worked for me on N900
[09:41] <ogra_> might be the n900 u-boot
[09:41] <ogra_> i dont think it uses one that comes from the upstream source tree in linaro
[09:41] <int_ua> Actually, I'm installing custom kernel and repartitioning the card in process.
[09:41] <ogra_> while all our other images use a u-boot from the same source
[09:42] <int_ua> (there is a kernel for N900 in repositories. And it's the only one that boots)
[09:42] <ogra_> yep, i know
[09:42] <ogra_> someone should build an imitrd for this kernel and provide a proper boot.scr  ;)
[09:42] <ogra_> *initrd
[09:42] <int_ua> ogra_: yes, u-boot looks modified
[09:43] <ogra_> though if your install script does all the bits you need, you wont need that script
[09:43] <ogra_> err
[09:43] <ogra_> you wont need that initrd
[09:43] <int_ua> someone: ^ please do this
[09:43] <ogra_> i.e. you have to set up your SD yourself anyway ... doing the partitioning beforehand etc
[09:44] <ogra_> i would expect that ubuntu-n900-installer script above to actually resemble what we do with our initrd in ubuntu
[09:44] <int_ua> ogra_: ok, I'm doing the partitioning, what else this stock first-boot does?
[09:44] <int_ua> ogra_: Is it a shell script?
[09:45] <int_ua> ogra_: So I will compare my script with the stock one
[09:45] <ogra_> setting up swap space, configuring the network setup, enabling oem-config (teh second boot configurator) ... setting up the proper bootloader config and a bunch of other stuff
[09:46] <ogra_> get the source for jasper-initramfs ... its not a single script but a bunch of initrd hooks and scripts
[09:46] <int_ua> ogra_: Ok, thanks a lot :)
[09:47] <ogra_> and it requires that boot=jaspeer is set on the cmdline on first boot to run it (it then modifies the cmdline after it ran)
[09:47] <ogra_> *boot=jasper
[09:55] <int_ua> yam_: So, sis you succeed?
[09:55] <int_ua> *did
[09:55] <yam_> not yet
[09:55] <yam_> im downloading again the 10.10 image
[09:56] <yam_> and i will try to follow the instructions again, hopping i will get the configuration stage
[09:56] <ogra_> dont !
[09:57] <ogra_> use the 11.10 image
[09:57] <yam_> do u sure? (the 10.10 has been worked before with this board - not mine)
[09:58] <ogra_> 10.10 is a year old (as i said above) it is likely that the kernel and bootloader support your board better with 11.10
[10:00] <yam_> so ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img is better?
[10:00] <ogra_> yes
[10:03] <yam_> ok, i will try a fresh download
[10:10] <xranby> ogra_: hi i noticed that canonical have prepared some imx packages like http://netbook-remix.archive.canonical.com/updates/pool/public/x/xserver-xorg-video-imx/         it would be nice if we could get this into the ubuntu archive.. the imx53 board are currently using the framebuffer driver instead of this accelerated 2d driver
[10:10] <xranby> ogra_: we need to recomple this driver to match the current xorg in precise
[10:11] <ogra_> xranby, they are for the vodafone netbook, i doubt they are usable on any newer imx
[10:11] <ogra_> if you own a babbage board they might help though
[10:12] <xranby> ogra_: i have been looking around..   for imx there currently exist two binary blobs   1. the opengl-es stuff 2. the libz160 (amd z160 gpu)     apart from those 2 blobs the xserver-xorg-video-imx source are available
[10:13] <xranby> like ... https://github.com/genesi/xorg-video-imx
[10:13] <xranby> the binary blobs for 1. and 2. can be obtained from freescale
[10:14] <int_ua> Offtopic: new onboard is awesome ^_^
[10:14] <ogra_> right, they arent redistributable sadly
[10:14] <xranby> sad
[10:14] <ogra_> the xorg imx driver should get you XV and EXA support though
[10:14] <xranby> can we create a installer in similar spirit like the download and install the ti-driver on omap?
[10:14] <ogra_> we can probably pull that into the archive
[10:15] <ogra_> but i'm still not sure it would run on anything but the imx51 babbage architecture
[10:15] <xranby> i will try compile the xorg-video-imx on my imx53 and try
[10:16] <xranby> in order to compile that source i need to have the imx53 patched kernel sources in place on the board
[10:16] <xranby> since the driver tries to use linux/mxcfb.h
[10:18] <xranby> "Both i.MX51 and i.MX53 have similar on chip 2D/3D vector graphics accelerators" http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/app_note/AN4271.pdf
[10:21] <ogra_> "similar" :)
[10:43] <xranby> ogra_: similar enough!  i have the imx driver running now displaying the unity-2d desktop on a imx43 board ! :)
[10:43] <xranby> imx53
[10:43] <ogra_> great
[10:44] <ogra_> i'll talk to the guys working on the vodafone thing if we can put the free bit into the archive
[10:46] <xranby> i have opengl-es running as well!
[10:47] <xranby> i can run the binball demo
[10:47] <xranby> when added the 2 binary blobs
[10:47] <ogra_> yeah
[10:48] <xranby> ogra_: i compiled the genesei source https://github.com/genesi/xorg-video-imx      i had to tweak the include path to use the linux-header-linaro-ln-mx5   includes
[10:49] <ogra_> well, lets see what the guys say, i pinged but they might be afk due to thanksgiving (even non americans take vacation days due to it ... if half of your team is away etc ... )
[10:56] <xranby> ogra_: thanks, if someone ask here are my Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/748064
[10:57] <ogra_> thx
[10:58] <ogra_> btw, you should probably ask asac or rsalveti why linaro hasnt put that driver into the archive yet
[10:58] <ogra_> since i think they use it too but from an overlay PPA
[10:59] <xranby> ogra: are rsalveti  working with both the omap and imx drivers?
[10:59] <ogra_> he leads the team doing that nowadays :)
[11:00] <ogra_> (i dont think he touches the imx driver himself, but the team should)
[11:00] <xranby> whats the team name?
[11:00] <xranby> is it an ubuntu team or  .. linaro... canonical?
[11:01] <ogra_> linaro
[11:01] <xranby> ok
[11:01] <ogra_> i think its foundations or platform or some similar name
[11:01] <xranby> i will poke him if i get a chanse
[11:01] <ogra_> and i know asac initially packaged that driver back in the time for ubuntu-arm
[11:02] <xranby> would be nice to get it into the ubuntu archive yes
[11:07] <ogra_> ndec, you should really whack some people some day ... i tried that android source tree yesterday ... even the TI input drivers have hardcoded references to android stuff ... that will be really hard to port
[11:08] <ogra_> (at least without rewriting half the drivers)
[11:09] <ogra_> it does prevent the heat probs though
[11:37] <fabo> infinity: hi, follow up on armhf mail sent by asac some weeks ago
[11:37] <fabo> infinity: can we enable armhf arch on PPA now?
[11:38] <ogra_> we dont even have working buildds yet
[11:38] <ogra_> and even then, all buildd power will have to be used to build the archive since we are really late already
[11:39] <ogra_> i wouldnt count on PPAs before feature freeze
[11:39] <ogra_> fabo, ^^^
[11:40] <fabo> oh :(
[11:41] <ogra_> (if you have additional HW you can send to the datacenter though i guess)
[11:42] <asac> ogra_: datacentre told us a while back they dont want more boards
[11:42] <asac> because they have no easy way to manage
[11:42] <ogra_> ah, thats bad
[11:42] <ogra_> yeah, i guess they would like more panda clusters instead of boards sitting on wooden breakfast boards
[11:42] <asac> whats blocking the armhf buildd's?
[11:42] <asac> afaik you can just have an armhf chroot on an armel builder
[11:42] <ogra_> that we dont have a working bootstrap yet
[11:43] <ogra_> building the bits took way longer than estimated
[11:44] <ogra_> not sure wheer we stand atm, but i havent seen any hf news this week yet and i'm sure adam would have screamed, shouted and danced if he was done
[11:44] <ogra_> (additionally things like the perl transition didnt help speeding it up either)
[11:45] <ndec> ogra_: come on... the code is used in a real product! it must be good!
[11:45] <ndec> ;-)
[11:45] <ogra_> ndec, lol
[11:45] <asac> hmm
[11:49] <ogra_> asac, if we actually want to do the switch at FF time (which i start to doubt we will manage in time) all possible buildd power will have to go into the hf build ... even armel will suffer from that
[11:49] <ogra_> so i dont see where the PPA power would come from
[11:51] <ogra_> not to mention that we will likely drown in FTBFS
[11:53] <yam_> i tried again with 11.10 image and got the same problem
[11:54] <yam_> orange screen
[11:54] <asac> ogra_: in the end we dont really do much with ppa builders anyway ... compared to the whole archive load. anyway. we will sort out. maybe we can add two or three builders to get more air to breath. question is what we should do in the meantime
[11:54] <ogra_> ??
[11:54] <ogra_> orange ?
[11:54] <asac> thats what bothers me
[11:54] <ndec> with ubuntu everything is orange...
[11:55] <asac> FF is in january?
[11:55] <lilstevie> really a good cross build system would help
[11:55] <ogra_> asac, really, no ideas, atm adding HW wont help you anyway, you cant roll a chroot even, there is not a single hf package in the archive
[11:55] <asac> i know
[11:56] <ogra_> yam_, that sounds very weird, there isnt anything thats orange on ubuntu
[11:56] <asac> FF is in february ... wow
[11:56] <ogra_> yep
[11:56] <yam_> i get this error: MMC: block number 0x1 exceeds max(0x0) ** Can't read from device 0 **  ** Unable to use mmc 0:1 for fatload ** Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image!
[11:56]  * asac moans a bit about hf situation and moves on :)
[11:57] <ogra_> yam_, so you arent booting the image at all
[11:57] <asac> fabo: who is main stakeholder on armhf?
[11:57] <ogra_> asac, well, send alcohol to canada to spee it up :)
[11:57] <ogra_> *speed
[11:57] <asac> fabo: did we commit to TSC to get that done? or is it OCTO still? or is it our platforms own agenda?
[11:57] <ogra_> keeping infinity running is the only thing you can do
[11:57] <lilstevie> lol
[11:58] <ogra_> i know after the perl transition he ran into other circular dep issues
[11:58] <ogra_> (guessing from comments he threw around)
[12:00] <yam_> i download the image from http://jaanus.tech-thing.org/robotex/ubuntu-server-on-beagleboard/
[12:00] <ogra_> err
[12:00] <yam_> and follow Instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[12:00] <ogra_> why did you not use the ubuntu image ?
[12:00] <ogra_> and dont use the maverick page ... there are newer ones
[12:00] <ogra_> go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[12:01] <ogra_> images are linked from the howtos
[12:01] <yam_> i did, downloaded ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img.gz
[12:01] <fabo> asac: I don't think we have a stackholder on armhf
[12:01] <fabo> asac: it's still OCTO, as part of the server plans
[12:01] <ogra_> yam_, you just said you downloaded from some third party page  above
[12:01] <yam_> using the image is easier on windows
[12:02] <ogra_> well, we dont really test it on windows
[12:03] <yam_> i used this page for the link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[12:03] <ogra_> k
[12:03] <ogra_> and you are sure you have a beagle XM A2 ?
[12:04] <ogra_> to my knowledge they arent sold with NAND, your error above seems to indicate that it boots some weird kernel out of a NAND flash
[12:05] <ogra_> if your board actually has falsh, you need to erase it
[12:05] <ogra_> *flash
[12:05] <ogra_> else it will use the wrong u-boot and try to boot a totally wrong kernel/initrd whatever
[12:06] <ogra_> and orange sounds suspiciously like some u-boot splash screen which ubuntu definitely does not have
[12:07] <yam_> yes
[12:07] <yam_> writen on the package
[12:07] <ogra_> yes ?
[12:07] <ogra_> ah, XM you mean
[12:08] <yam_> the xm is without NAND as far as i know\
[12:08] <ogra_> well, the ornage screen really sounds like one of the old beagle u-boot hacks, ubuntu never used that
[12:10] <yam_> i think i will install ubuntu on my pc and use it to write the image to the sd, maybe the win32imagewriter isnt working well with this images
[12:10] <ogra_> did you even havd another OS on that SD card ?
[12:11] <yam_> no
[12:11] <ogra_> then i have no idea where that orange screen could come from, unless you actually have flash
[12:11] <yam_> a few month ago i succeeded loading an angsorm image that way
[12:12] <ogra_> i know there were very very few XMs that actually had flash, they arent produced anymore though
[12:13] <ogra_> if you fire it up without SD card plugged in, do you get any output on the serial ?
[12:13] <ogra_> (NOTE: you shouldnt, unless there is flash)
[12:28] <Known_Networks>  hey i had some problem with opencv on board..........i compiled opencv on the board.....got errors while compiling a program
[12:28] <Known_Networks>  http://tinypic.com/r/sj5t/5
[12:28] <Known_Networks>  i think it is library......can nyone tell me which library corresponds to -lcv for arm platform
[12:28] <Known_Networks>  this are the libraries....
[12:28] <Known_Networks> http://pastebin.com/ma9GfYRF
[14:21] <ppisati> doko: bug #861296
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861296 in linux "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296
[14:21] <ppisati> doko: imx51? omap4? oneiric?
[14:22] <doko> ppisati, well, I think we only have panda boards. but infinity or lamont can confirm this
[14:24] <ppisati> doko: becasue, AFAIK, builders are imx51 (thus lucid) but you explicitely asked for an onerici fix
[14:24] <ppisati> infinity: ^^
[14:25] <doko> ppisati, see #ubuntu-devel
[14:27] <ppisati> doko: wasn't there, what's up?
 doko, is that only on oneiric buildd's or any arm buildd building in an oneiric chroot
 apw, should be for any buildd which is used to build precise (which I understand is oneiric)
[14:30] <infinity> doko / ppisati: Half the buildds are babbages running lucid, or maybe maverick?  The other half are Pandas running either natty or oneiric.
[14:31] <infinity> Because that's not confusing at all.
[14:31] <ppisati> :)
[14:32] <ppisati> babbage are lucid (imx51)
[14:32] <ppisati> panda could be anything from maverick onwards
[14:32] <ppisati> ok
[15:08] <ppisati> doko: infinity: there's a new O/omap4 kernel to test (see lp#861296)
[16:16] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2011/11/24/square-board-with-five-edges/ - added test on usb
[16:41] <hrw> have a nice rest of day
[17:04] <GrueMaster> ppisati: I'll test it here.  Might also clear up another qrt script bug.


[01:30] <mup> PR snapd#11483 opened: tests/main/snapd-snap: test installing the snapd snap and connecting interfaces <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11483>
[06:09] <mardy> mborzecki: good morning! I need some advice about selinux :-)
[06:10] <mardy> mborzecki: it's about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10676, the Fedora tests are failing on this line: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/main/selinux-clean/task.yaml#L119
[06:10] <mup> PR #10676: cmd/snap-update-ns/change.go: sort needed, desired and not reused mount entries <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10676>
[06:11] <mardy> it's 100% reproducible, so it's certainly due to my and Ian's changes in that PR
[06:31] <mardy> looking at the logs, the selinux warnings happen after (or during): taskrunner.go:439: DEBUG: Running task 430 on Do: Disconnect snap-store:appstream-metadata from core:appstream-metadata
[07:09] <mborzecki> morning
[07:09] <mborzecki> mardy: sure, le me see
[07:14] <mborzecki> mardy: it isn't entirely clear why those mounts appear, was there a mimic on /usr and /var/cache?
[07:16] <mborzecki> aah ok, let's see appstream metadata would use /usr/share/metainfo, and /var/cache/app-info so that explains it
[07:16] <mborzecki> wonder why this never came up earlier
[07:21] <mborzecki> mardy: i'll push a patch to that branch
[07:27] <mardy> mborzecki: good taht you understood it, because I'm still in the dark :-)
[07:27] <mardy> mborzecki: I see that it can be reproduced by running "snap disconnect snap-store:appstream-metadata" and then re-running the store app
[07:35] <mborzecki> mardy: yeah, that interface sets up a bind mount from /var/lib/snapd/hostfs/{usr/share/metainfo,var/cache/app-info} into the snap layout
[07:36] <mborzecki> so it will trigger a mimic on /usr/share and /var/cache
[07:36] <mborzecki> mardy: also that's only because the cores do not ship those directories, perhaps they could and we could avoid some complications we have now
[07:38] <mborzecki> mardy: still intersting that it came up only now?
[07:38] <mborzecki> since the mounts are now ordered differently hm
[07:39] <mardy> mborzecki: I see. But then I wonder if it isn't better to push it as a separate PR, otherwise it will be hard to find people to review it (since on that PR, I guess that me and Ian cannot vote anymore, since we both contributed to it) :-)
[07:41] <mborzecki> mardy: haha so if i push a patch that leaves pawel and miguel? 🙂
[07:41] <mborzecki> mardy: so the test is passing now, i'll try to look around a bit more in the debug shell though, confirm that things make sense
[07:57] <mardy> mborzecki: thanks, looking forward to see what it was all about :-)
[08:04] <pstolowski> morning
[08:06] <mardy> pstolowski: hi!
[08:34] <mborzecki> mardy: i've pushed a patch to ian's branch
[09:28] <mup> Bug #1959452 changed: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 shows only 1 GB memory with Core20 arm64 <kern-2637> <Snappy:Invalid> <linux-raspi (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959452>
[09:30] <zyga[m]> hello :-)
[09:31] <mup> Bug #1959452 opened: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 shows only 1 GB memory with Core20 arm64 <kern-2637> <Snappy:Invalid> <linux-raspi (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959452>
[09:34] <mup> Bug #1959452 changed: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 shows only 1 GB memory with Core20 arm64 <kern-2637> <Snappy:Invalid> <linux-raspi (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959452>
[09:40] <mup> Bug #1959452 opened: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 shows only 1 GB memory with Core20 arm64 <kern-2637> <Snappy:Invalid> <linux-raspi (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959452>
[09:43] <mup> Bug #1959452 changed: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 shows only 1 GB memory with Core20 arm64 <kern-2637> <Snappy:Invalid> <linux-raspi (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959452>
[10:13] <mup> PR core20#133 closed: hooks: mkdir /var/cups to avoid writable mimic creation for snaps using cups <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/133>
[10:14] <mup> PR core18#187 closed: hooks: mkdir /var/cups to avoid writable mimic creation for snaps using cups <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/187>
[10:15] <mup> PR core#129 closed: hooks: mkdir /var/cups to avoid writable mimic creation for snaps using cups <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/129>
[14:08] <mup> PR snapd#11439 closed: run-checks: replace linters w/ golangci <Created by MiguelPires> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11439>
[15:14] <mup> PR snapd#11473 closed: tests: validate tests tools just on google and qemu backends <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11473>
[20:40] <mup> PR snapd#11484 opened: interfaces/mount-observe: allow read on /proc/1/mount* files <Simple 😃> <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11484>
[21:30] <mup> PR snapd#11484 closed: interfaces/mount-observe: allow read on /proc/1/mount* files <Simple 😃> <Created by jdstrand> <Closed by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11484>