[08:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:10] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:16] <brobostigon> 1info libx86
[09:16] <brobostigon> !info libx86
[09:18] <brobostigon> !info libx86-1
[09:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:08] <directhex> howdy howdy howdy
[10:09] <brobostigon> hewdy directhex
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> directhex: don't forget the "y'all"
[10:09] <directhex> MartijnVdS: that is also an option
[10:09] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[10:10]  * MartijnVdS recommends http://xxyyxx.bandcamp.com/album/xxyyxx
[10:13] <bigcalm> I thought the music was very weird, then realised that another tab was already playing music
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[10:24]  * directhex mutters
[10:24] <mattt> MartijnVdS: sounds a bit too much like ivan dafydd or gang colours
[10:26] <mattt> MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6CTmKgz1i0
[10:26] <bigcalm> Hazzar. Just fixed a MySQL query I was head-desking over yesterday
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> mattt: oooh!
[10:57] <mattt> MartijnVdS: absolutely love that :D
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> mattt: someone did a remix of the Dutch news like that a few years ago
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSKRePzN03s
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> (visual style)
[11:03] <mattt> MartijnVdS: will check it in a few, watching the wales/australia game :P
[11:03] <mattt> (and will get beaten if i disturb it with music)
[12:56] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to fix 48% packet loss :/
[13:20] <hi6> lol
[13:31] <Str8J4ck3t> new user, need assist, can anyone help
[13:32] <Str8J4ck3t> nobody?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> Str8J4ck3t: Ask your question, and we'll do our best to answer
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[13:34] <psutton> hi
[13:34] <Str8J4ck3t> thank you.  I've started running Kubuntu from a live usb, however, I'm trying to run the actual to-disk install over windows 7 and the install keeps failing.  any suggestions on how I can fix this?
[13:35] <psutton> could be a hardware issue
[13:36] <psutton> try running the cd test
[13:36] <Str8J4ck3t> how do I run the cd test?
[13:37] <psutton> boot menu
[13:37] <brobostigon> any error output when it fails?
[13:37] <psutton> i guess it will check if your running from usb the actual usb drive
[13:37] <psutton> not sure if  but the cd test is bult in i assume it will work
[13:37] <psutton> if you boot from usb but just differently
[13:38] <Str8J4ck3t> I do get an error when it fails.
[13:38] <psutton> you should do
[13:38] <brobostigon> what does it say?
[13:38] <psutton> if you choose test i assume it runs a test and lets you know if there are errors
[13:39] <brobostigon> psutton: the media checking thingie?
[13:39] <Str8J4ck3t> I'll post the error in just a moment, I'll have to try to run the app again.
[13:39] <psutton> use paste bin to post the error if u can
[13:39] <brobostigon> Str8J4ck3t: if it is long, pastebin it.
[13:40] <psutton> brobostigon, will that work in the same way if booting from usb
[13:40] <Str8J4ck3t> okay, thank you, I'll be back in a moment
[13:40] <brobostigon> psutton: i dont see why not. just checking what you were refferring to.
[13:41] <psutton> when you boot up you get the option of media / cd check
[13:41] <psutton> from the ubuntu cds
[13:41] <brobostigon> yes.
[13:41] <psutton> i was thinking if the install was failing there could be a media issue somewhere
[13:41] <psutton> other than that hardware
[13:41] <brobostigon> agreed, maybe, worth checking.
[13:42] <psutton> see what Str8J4ck3t comes back with
[13:42] <psutton> i am at a lug meet so have limited aceess to stuff
[13:42] <brobostigon> ok.
[13:56] <psutton> back
[13:58] <oimon1> limbo runs unbearably slow for me :( thought it might be OK on my laptop
[14:06] <dogmatic69> Using eth over power, 85% packet loss :/
[14:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I assume it depends on how clean the mains is and other users on your phase?
[14:07] <dogmatic69> ye. Today it just went down the drain
[14:07] <dogmatic69> its been ok, but since last night...
[14:08] <penguin42> so either you've switched something else on, or someone else close has just bought something near
[14:08] <dogmatic69> now have cat5 across the lounge, up the stairs and into the spare room
[14:08] <dogmatic69> internet++
[14:08] <Str8J4ck3t> I'm back but am having problems creating a pastebin
[14:09] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: You getting an API error?
[14:09] <dogmatic69> penguin42: I guess its the weekend and everyone is using washing machines, tumble dryers etc
[14:09] <Str8J4ck3t> it's a string error of some sort.
[14:09] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: Are you using pastebinit?
[14:10] <Str8J4ck3t> I'm so new to the linux system, that I don't know what pastbinit is, apologies
[14:10] <dogmatic69> its still seems flaky though :(
[14:10] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: OK, go back a step - exactly what did you do to get this error?
[14:11] <Str8J4ck3t> I don't know what pastebinit is, I'm a very new user.
[14:11] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: OK, ignore that question - what exactly did you do to get a problem?
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py", line 957, in on_next_clicked
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>     self.dbfilter.ok_handler()
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py", line 806, in ok_handler
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>     self.ui.hostname_error(make_error_string(self.controller, errors))
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t> AttributeError: 'Page' object has no attribute 'controller'
[14:13] <Str8J4ck3t> apologies, I had an issue with my Irc
[14:13] <Str8J4ck3t> apologies, irc issues
[14:13] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: OK, stop a sec - tell us what you were doing, and what broke
[14:14] <Str8J4ck3t> apologies, my irc stopped responding
[14:15] <Str8J4ck3t> my irc stopped responding
[14:15] <Str8J4ck3t> my irc stopped
[14:28] <oimon1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/990732
[14:29] <oimon1> he miht have that problem
[14:31] <penguin42> oimon1: yeh that looks promising
[14:35] <oimon1> now trying swords and sorcery to see if that works :S
[14:35] <penguin42> interesting way of fixing a bug
[14:38] <psutton> hi
[14:39] <oimon1> argh s&s fails to run :(
[14:39] <psutton> hi
[14:39] <oimon1> i thought it would be straightforward if installed from software centre
[14:40] <psutton> it should be
[14:42] <oimon1> the game crashses X :(
[14:42] <penguin42> oimon1: You mean X crashes - it's probably not the games fault; what graphics card/driver?
[14:44] <dogmatic69> this network is driving me mad
[14:44] <dogmatic69> sshed to another pc on the network and things like ls etc takes 2 minutes to show
[14:45] <oimon1> penguin42: intel 965GM
[14:45] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Can you flip frequency or something on them or drop down to a lower rate?
[14:45] <oimon1> similar to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12000194#post12000194
[14:45] <dogmatic69> penguin42: ?
[14:46] <penguin42> oimon1: When X restarts you should be able to get /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to look for a segfault, also dmesg
[14:46] <dogmatic69> I am now using cat5 direct
[14:46] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Oh, you're getting loss on real - have you got an IP clash?
[14:52] <dogmatic69> penguin42: with the cat it seems like no loss, but connection to another pc is dead slow
[14:52] <dogmatic69> its hanging everything
[14:52] <dogmatic69> How could I check the ip clash?
[14:52] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So hang on, describe your network
[14:54] <dogmatic69> ok, one sec
[14:58] <dogmatic69> ffs
[14:58] <dogmatic69> I think compiz just crashed
[14:58] <dogmatic69> left monitor is gone
[14:59] <dogmatic69> penguin42: http://i.imgur.com/QsV21.png
[14:59] <dogmatic69> its not enterprise level drawing :D
[15:00] <penguin42> it's one of the better ones I've seen :-)
[15:00] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK, and which ones are you having problems communicating between?
[15:03] <dogmatic69> me and the blade
[15:04] <penguin42> ok, so it's 'me' to 5port, to 24 port to blade?
[15:05] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:05] <penguin42> ok, so a simple ping shows that type of loss?
[15:05] <penguin42> I don't suppose the 24port is smart is it?
[15:07] <dogmatic69> 347 packets transmitted, 311 received, 10% packet loss, time 346276ms
[15:07] <dogmatic69> penguin42: its http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/Product/show.aspx?productid=210
[15:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK, just a simple switch
[15:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So do you get packet loss pinging between the two blades?
[15:08] <dogmatic69> the one is not on currently
[15:08] <penguin42> ok, what about can you ping your router?
[15:08] <dogmatic69> I can change the wiring so its router -> 24 port -> blade / 5 port
[15:09] <penguin42> well no don't change stuff until you have a plan
[15:10] <ali1234> i love it when a plan comes together
[15:10] <penguin42> ali1234: They rarely do
[15:11] <dogmatic69> router -> 24port is preferred really
[15:11] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Well yeh if you can get it down to 1 switch it's better than 2
[15:12] <dogmatic69> I need the small switch or I have to 3+ long cat5's to the 24 port
[15:12] <penguin42> ok
[15:12] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So can the blade or 'me' ping the router directly?
[15:12] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:12] <penguin42> what's the packet loss for each of those like?
[15:13] <dogmatic69> I will tell you in a sec, let it run a bit
[15:14] <dogmatic69> me -> blade 104 packets transmitted, 104 received, 0% packet loss, time 103008ms
[15:14] <dogmatic69> lies
[15:14] <dogmatic69> me to router that was
[15:15] <dogmatic69> blade -> router 86 packets transmitted, 86 received, 0% packet loss, time 85002ms
[15:16] <penguin42> hmm
[15:16] <penguin42> so that's interesting since blade-router shows there is no loss over the 24-5 port connection
[15:17] <penguin42> and the me-router shows there is no loss over the me-5port-router set
[15:17] <penguin42> so it's not any one link that's the problem
[15:18] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:18] <dogmatic69> I installed a speed test app on 'me' and blade
[15:19] <dogmatic69> its strange, most tests is 95mb/s which is good as the 24port is 100mb
[15:19] <dogmatic69> but sometimes (~10%) it will be 40 or 30 and sometimes (2%) it will not even work
[15:21] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK, hmm
[15:22] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Was the 10% loss on the ping while the speed tester was running?
[15:23] <jacobw> afternoon
[15:23] <penguin42> true, it is
[15:24] <dogmatic69> penguin42: not sure if this makes a difference, but the blade is running bind9 and 'me' has its ip as DNS
[15:24] <penguin42> that statement doesn't make sense
[15:25] <Jancek123> hello there
[15:25] <jacobw> ip as DNS?
[15:25] <penguin42> yeh
[15:25] <jacobw> hey Jancek123
[15:26] <dogmatic69> gah
[15:26] <penguin42> dogmatic69: What do you mean by 'me has it's ip as DNS' ?
[15:26] <dogmatic69> my pc is using the blade as a DNS
[15:27] <jacobw> ok :)
[15:27] <penguin42> oh, ok that makes more sense
[15:27] <dogmatic69> the blade just handles *.dev domains for my web dev and passes the rest on
[15:27] <Jancek123> I have bought HP pavilion g6 1190sm. It has sandy bridge and radeon hd 6470m. Due to locked BIOS I cannot set which graphic card to use primary or anything else....so my primary in ubuntu is intergrated sandy bridges. When I want to install drivers manually via www2.ati.com/drivers/linux i get error
[15:27] <Jancek123> update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd because associated file /usr/lib/fglrx/etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd (of link group i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf) doesn't exist. and also cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of overlayfs
[15:28] <penguin42> dogmatic69: so what I'd try is check the IP of the blade and 'me' and see if the output of arp -an on both the blade and me look sane
[15:28] <jacobw> i'm trying 'castle'
[15:28] <Jancek123> i am using persistent USB to install it due to as i have no time to reformat PC back to windows again due to i require it for work. So also after installation aticonfig --initial -f generates xorg conf and --px-dgpu sets the discrete gpu but when i reboot notebook i get back low graphic mode aka tty1
[15:29] <jacobw> now i've watched all produced episodes of 'bones'
[15:29] <dogmatic69> penguin42: never seen that command before, what would be 'sane'
[15:29] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Well, it shows an IP address and the MAC address it htinks it's at - see if the mac address of hte blade as seen from  me is always correct and the other way,
[15:30] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1638009755
[15:30] <jacobw> 'dexter' is the feasible successor to this entertainment
[15:30] <jacobw> i may even fall back to 'numb3rs' if all these things fail me
[15:31] <dogmatic69> penguin42: I updated that link, it has ifconfig also
[15:31] <dogmatic69> seems right
[15:32] <penguin42> yeh it does
[15:33] <dogmatic69> why does the blade have .3 ip in arp?
[15:36] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Because it has at some point spoken to it - what is .3 ?
[15:36] <dogmatic69> penguin42: <IP_ADDRESS> is blade, me is <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:38] <dogmatic69> penguin42: Would the connection between 'me' and 'blade' be affected by the router?
[15:38] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So that's OK, the arp table is a record of the mapping between IP to mac
[15:38] <dogmatic69> ok
[15:38] <penguin42> dogmatic69: It shouldn't be affected by the router unless something else decides to use the .0.2 or .0.3 address
[15:39] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I suppose I'd try running a tcpdump on 'me' while you run the ping and see what it sees/tries to do
[15:41] <jacobw> remember that arp tables are per ethernet segment
[15:42] <penguin42> jacobw: Yeh but he seems to have one segment
[15:43]  * jacobw actually looks at the diagram
[15:45] <jacobw> what are the switches doing with regard to spanning-tree?
[15:46] <penguin42> jacobw: Yeh I did wonder, but if that's happening I'd hope that the tcpdump would show that
[15:46] <penguin42> jacobw: But if it matches the diagram that shouldn't be happening and the fact that me-router works OK suggests it's not the inbetween switch link
[15:47] <dogmatic69> I cant get it to work
[15:47] <dogmatic69> 'no suitable device found'
[15:47] <penguin42> dogmatic69: sudo tcpdump -i eth0 -s 1500
[15:47] <jacobw> root
[15:47] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:48] <dogmatic69> just tried sudo
[15:49] <jacobw> tshark ftw
[15:49] <dogmatic69> ha, I think I captured the error for you guys
[15:50] <jacobw> ah
[15:50] <jacobw> ah
[15:50] <jacobw> ah
[15:50] <jacobw> i also a problem with stp on linux bridges and cisco switches
[15:50] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/345595727
[15:50] <jacobw> the stp implementation in linux has problem interoperating with the rstp implemenation of cisco ios
[15:52] <dogmatic69> penguin42: somewhere around line 250 the connection dropped
[15:54] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Yeh 16:48:42.402508 IP dogmatic69.local.17500 > <IP_ADDRESS>.17500: UDP, length 121
[15:54] <penguin42> dogmatic69: is 'dogmatic69.local' the blade?
[15:54] <jacobw> check for a flood of ethernet frames around that time
[15:54] <penguin42> yeh there are loads of them
[15:54] <dogmatic69> penguin42: that is from the default install?
[15:55] <dogmatic69> how would i know that?
[15:55] <penguin42> dogmatic69: ping dogmatic69.local    does that get you the ip of the blade?
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Also I think if you run tcpdump with probably -n   it will just show IP address rather than names
[15:56] <dogmatic69> from 'me' its the .3 so its 'me'
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK
[15:56] <dogmatic69> from the blade its 'host not found'
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So for some reason at that point 'me' splurts out zillions of UDP packets
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: All broadcast
[15:57] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Are you running a dropbox thing?
[15:57] <dogmatic69> I have ntop installed, but that is new from today. issue is long running
[15:57] <dogmatic69> penguin42: yes, I have dropbox
[15:57] <dogmatic69> its on 'me'
[15:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Kill it off
[16:00] <dogmatic69> holly cow.
[16:00] <dogmatic69> I just ran tcpdump with -n
[16:00] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1651562653
[16:00] <dogmatic69> that is a *snip*
[16:00] <penguin42> curious - who is .0.5 ?
[16:01] <dogmatic69> I am busy checking
[16:01] <dogmatic69> lots of devices :D
[16:01] <penguin42> hmmm
[16:01] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So that's a different screw up from what I noticed in the last one; the last one was UDP broadcasts on a port that tends to be dropbox
[16:02] <penguin42> dogmatic69: What that set is I don't know
[16:03] <dogmatic69> how can I figure out what this ip address is
[16:03] <penguin42> dogmatic69: does arp -an show the MAC address for it?
[16:03] <dogmatic69> oh
[16:03] <dogmatic69> I got it
[16:03] <dogmatic69> its a wireless ap
[16:04] <dogmatic69> ok killed that
[16:04] <dogmatic69> killed dropbox
[16:06] <dogmatic69> not seeing any UDP floods yet
[16:06] <penguin42> dogmatic69: see how that survives now; I've never seen anything emit a spew of IGMP stuff like that; and I don't know why dropbox was going nuts like that
[16:06] <penguin42> dogmatic69: But is your ping to the blade stable now?
[16:06] <dogmatic69> from the blade to me has been 100% so far
[16:06] <dogmatic69> tcpdump also running and seems to be 'normal'
[16:07] <penguin42> ok good
[16:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: is 'me' a laptop with both wifi and ether?
[16:07] <dogmatic69> no, desktop
[16:07] <penguin42> ok
[16:07] <dogmatic69> 17:07:11.110987 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.137 > <IP_ADDRESS>.137: NBT UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST
[16:07] <dogmatic69> 17:07:11.111131 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.138 > <IP_ADDRESS>.138: NBT UDP PACKET(138)
[16:07] <dogmatic69> just noticed that in the tcpdump
[16:07] <dogmatic69> not many
[16:07] <penguin42> yeh one or two is fine
[16:08] <dogmatic69> its two different pc's
[16:08] <penguin42> dogmatic69: That's just samba saying hello
[16:08] <dogmatic69> my gf's windows
[16:08] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[16:08] <gebbione> hi all, for some reason as soon as i open a wine program my windows frames (including borders, maximise, minimise etc ) disappear, anyone has the same problem or can guess why it is happening?
[16:08] <penguin42> gebbione: That's youre window maanger crashing for some reason
[16:08] <dogmatic69> penguin42: thanks for the help, seems good so far
[16:09] <dogmatic69> If it remains stable I will try the EoP again as I think it was the wireless AP going nuts
[16:09] <gebbione> penguin42, but windows are all still working fine, anyway i can restart fix it?
[16:10] <gebbione> penguin42, apart from the border i mean all is ok
[16:10] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Yeh, I can kind of imagine that the bad-ap might have been confusing dropbox into thinking the network changes
[16:10] <penguin42> gebbione: Yeh that's what happens when the window manager goes pop
[16:11] <penguin42> gebbione: I've not got unity running at the moment, so I'm not sure of what the name of the unity window manager is - but it's normally something like   unity --replace
[16:11] <dogmatic69> penguin42: it kinda makes sense, it was set up for router -> wifi -> ap -> wifi and was now connected router -> 24port -> ap -> wifi
[16:12] <gebbione> unity --replace fixed it
[16:13] <penguin42> gebbione: It kind of sounds like you're hitting bug 738275 although that's a dupe of 727041
[16:14] <penguin42> gebbione: But that claims to have been fix released a while ago
[16:14] <penguin42> gebbione: Anyway, that's the way to get them back if it does crash
[16:15] <gebbione> my system is always updated
[16:15] <gebbione> so this same problems is caused by something else
[16:15] <gebbione> in the above it does not talk about wine at all
[16:15] <penguin42> gebbione: Likely it's either just another bug in unity/compiz or it's possibly also a graphics driver bug could do it
[16:15] <gebbione> i get this problem only when i execute a wine emulated application
[16:16] <penguin42> gebbione: Yeh bug 738275 is closer but was duped to that other one - so maybe the same cause at some point
[16:43] <oimon1> fixed the issue with swordsandsworcery by installing the v1.0 deb which is the download from HIB. the v1.56 in software center seg fauls
[16:43] <oimon1> also, the software centre version seems to be the i386 version only :-\
[16:58] <penguin42> the 'fence' mechanism in X11R7.7 sounds promising for doing screen sharing stuff on OpenGL desktops?
[17:08] <directhex> yay free software
[17:08] <directhex> ali1234: bastion joypad fix incoming very soon
[17:13] <oimon1> anyone got suggestions for making limbo work quicker?
[17:13] <oimon1> like running standalone rather than windowed
[17:14] <directhex> oimon, do you have the latest build?
[17:14] <oimon1> i downloaded it from software centre...
[17:14] <oimon1> 1.0-0ubuntu4
[17:15] <oimon1> hmm. v1.31 in HIB page
[17:16] <oimon1> seems that USC integration is a bit of a fail
[17:16] <directhex> oimon1: i don't know who at canonical is responsible for that (if anyone). popey, any clues?
[17:17] <oimon1> wondering if there's different version numbers coming into play
[17:25] <ali1234> oimon1: i wrote how to fix it on ask ubuntu
[17:25] <oimon1> downloading from HIB page doesn't help..actually on that one the sound doesn't work.
[17:25] <ali1234> tl;dr run it with distro wine, not the crap version it's bundled with
[17:26] <ali1234> "no sound" is also answered in another question on AU... guess what, the answer is the same
[17:26] <oimon1> i tried that, but winetricks dx9 didn't work
[17:26] <ali1234> winetricks is kinda broken
[17:27] <oimon1> ali1234: can you provide link the the AU page pls?
[17:27] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/144915/limbo-game-has-no-sound
[17:27] <directhex> installing microsoft directx is usually a bad idea, since wine has its own implementation
[17:27] <oimon1> merci
[17:27] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/145528/how-to-run-humble-bundle-v-games-on-a-system-with-nvidia-twinview/145529#145529
[17:28] <ali1234> yeah but luckily wine can do dll overides on a per exe basis
[17:28] <directhex> behaviour can be a bit... squiffy... with ms libs
[17:28] <directhex> yeah, you need to know which libs to native & which to inbuilt
[17:28] <ali1234> EVE for example has a launcher... and the launcher needs the MS libs, while the game only runs with the wine versions
[17:29] <ali1234> so far super meat boy is the only game that worked 100% correctly out the box
[17:30] <ali1234> bastion is the next best though. just needs joystick
[17:30] <oimon1> hmm..get a blue screen then limbo exit
[17:31] <ali1234> super meat boy is actually more fun and less annoying than i thought it was going to be
[17:31] <directhex> ali1234: srsly joystik fix for bastion is so close
[17:32] <ali1234> yeah? is it all related to that gamepad bridge stuff?
[17:32] <directhex> ali1234: as in "Merge pull request #509 from urkle/LinuxGamePadFixes" "CartBlanche authored 21 minutes ago"
[17:33] <ali1234> if (Sdl.SDL_JoystickName(x).Contains("Microsoft")
[17:33] <directhex> ali1234: https://github.com/urkle is the bastion porter's page, he's now engaging with upstream to push fixes & pull new code
[17:33] <ali1234> HA i knew it was related to that stuff
[17:33] <ali1234> there is just one thing though
[17:34] <ali1234> xbox vs xbox360 button layout is ever so slightly different
[17:34] <ali1234> so i hope it doesn't hide the config if it detects a microsoft pad or something silly like that
[17:35] <ali1234> anyway that's pretty cool and all
[17:35] <directhex> ali1234: i dunno, just thought you'd be interested to know it was being actively hacked on, in a properly FOSS manner
[18:17] <dogmatic69> penguin42: all good still, will be trying out the EoP again
[18:17] <dogmatic69> thanks for the help, and tools for debugging :)
[18:33] <penguin42> np
[19:33] <Azelphur> [18:41:50 BST] Josh: http://i.imgur.com/Li3jY.jpg <-- I asked my dad for a 640GB HDD for my birthday
[19:33] <Azelphur> haha xD
[19:33] <penguin42> mdadm.....
[19:33] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:34] <brobostigon> usb hubs, and raid, :)
[19:34] <Azelphur> isn't raid on a USB hub pointless as the speed bottlenecks
[19:34] <penguin42> there is someone who does like a 100 port USB hub
[19:34] <brobostigon> no idea.
[19:35] <Azelphur> haha
[19:35] <penguin42> Azelphur: Yeh, although with USB3....
[19:35] <Azelphur> indeed, USB 3 might save the day :)
[19:35] <brobostigon> :)
[19:35] <penguin42> http://www.coolthings.com/80-port-usb-hub-wants-to-charge-your-cellphone-ipod-digicam-and-77-more-gadgets-at-the-same-time/
[19:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:36] <brobostigon> :)
[20:10] <ali1234> is that actually a hub or just power?
[20:11] <ali1234> most likely it's for shops who have a load of phones and etc powered up 24 hours on display
[20:15] <penguin42> ali1234: I think I saw somewhere selling an actual hub of that type of size
[21:18] <popey> 18:16:51 #ubuntu-uk: < directhex> oimon1: i don't know who at canonical is responsible for that (if anyone). popey, any clues?
[21:18] <popey> david pitkin
[21:19] <directhex> see, popey has all the answers
[21:22] <popey> ali1234 / directhex / oimon I'd appreciate it if you could summarise issues in bugs and I'll make sure the right people see them
[21:22] <ali1234> bugs in what?
[21:22] <popey> HIB games/WINE/packaging
[21:22] <ali1234> ok
[21:23] <directhex> popey: i'm not using the ubuntu store versions of things, since i'm an impatient sod. but others here are :p
[21:23] <ali1234> i reported the super meat boy icon bug to john pugh by email, cos he's the listed support contact on software cantre :)
[21:23] <ali1234> popey: but, if you want us to report bugs, what are we supposed to report them against?
[21:23] <ali1234> you can't report bugs against the packages cos they're in private repos
[21:24] <popey> john is also a good person to mail
[21:24] <ali1234> at least i assume that is why
[21:25] <popey> I dont specifically want you to file bugs, just making sure that people other than the people in this irc channel see it
[21:25] <ali1234> but... how?
[21:25] <popey> emailing john is fine
[21:26] <ali1234> that's the only packaging bug i found so far
[21:26] <ali1234> the issues with dual monitor affect everything SDL, really that environment variable should be set by default everywhere
[21:26] <ali1234> and wine is... well wine
[21:27] <ali1234> what works for one person probably won't work for another
[21:27] <ali1234> sometimes you have to do the exact opposite of what the guides say
[21:27] <ali1234> then they release a new version and it all breaks again
[21:29] <ali1234> i'm just waiting on that psychonauts package now :)
[21:30] <popey> thats the 4GB one?
[21:30] <popey> interesting bugs are discovered when you upload a >4GB deb :D
[21:31] <ali1234> yeah
[21:31] <ali1234> is braid supposed to run in a postage stamp sized area in the middle of the monitor?
[21:31] <popey> not tried braid yet
[21:31] <ali1234> it looks like it could be a variant of that youtube bug
[21:32] <ali1234> where it letterboxes it for the aspect of both monitors, then squashes it onto one
[21:32] <ali1234> if so, that's an upstream bug
[21:32] <ali1234> lone survivor doesn't appear to work at all, it loads up "adobe flash player 10" window which immediately closes
[21:32] <ali1234> flash game? and you thought wine was bad
[21:33] <popey> ☺
[21:34] <jacobw> wine ftw
[21:34]  * jacobw wants to make unity launchers for wine apps
[21:35] <ali1234> that's easy
[21:35] <ali1234> very easy in fact
[21:35] <ali1234> installers will do it automatically
[21:35] <ali1234> if not, here's one i made:
[21:35] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032783/
[21:36] <ali1234> put it in ~/.local/share/applications/Steam.desktop
[21:37] <ali1234> that will work correctly with unity pinning too
[21:40] <ali1234> my favourite game so far is the sword & sworcery sound track :)
[21:47] <jacobw> does it work with bamf?
[21:47] <ali1234> yes
[21:48] <ali1234> well it does for all the programs i've tried
[21:48] <jacobw> bamf feedback is my priority
[21:48] <ali1234> feedback?
[21:48] <jacobw> launch, status, number of instances
[21:49] <ali1234> like "eeeeeoOOOOOOEOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOooooooo"
[21:49] <jacobw> hehe
[21:49] <ali1234> nothing i run in wine has need of more than 1 instance
[21:49] <jacobw> there's no documentation on bamf :(
[21:50] <ali1234> everything else works correctly
[21:50] <jacobw> i shouldn't need more than one instance of each application
[21:52] <jacobw> i have 3 versions of a windows only management for management of network devices that the users i support currently run in a windows VM
[21:52] <ali1234> reverse engineer the protocol and rewrite it in qt
[21:53] <jacobw> i'm trying to provide these applications on their unity desktops with wine
[21:53] <ali1234> yeah that should work fine if it runs in wine at all
[21:54] <ali1234> i suspect that bamf works properly only if you use explorer fake desktop mode
[21:54] <ali1234> which you should always use for games anyway cos it's the only way to make them not crash all the time
[21:54] <jacobw> there's no problem with wine compatibility
[21:54] <ali1234> thought hinking about it, spotify always worked ok with bamf
[21:55] <ali1234> the wine version actually more compatible with bamf than the native linux one
[21:55] <ali1234> probably due to static libs in the native build
[21:55] <jacobw> yeah, i'm guessing that bamf checks dbus for changes in application status and windows
[21:55] <ali1234> i have no idea how it works and i've given up seriously trying to use it
[21:55] <jacobw> 'listens to', rather than 'checks' seems better
[21:56] <jacobw> like i said, there is no documentation
[21:56] <ali1234> the code changes so fast that it would be pointless
[21:56] <jacobw> unity is a fustrating at times
[21:57] <jacobw> 'this is the way its going to work' →  'yeah, we've implemented something different now'
[21:57] <ali1234> to be fair, most of the changes are for the better
[21:58] <brobostigon> http://blog.taylorworld.me.uk/ does anyone recognise the drupal/php error at the to there, i cant work out, why it is there.
[22:00] <ali1234> i don't see any error
[22:01] <ali1234> probably logged in users only
[22:01] <brobostigon> Notice: unserialize(): Error at offset 0 of 4 bytes in _drupal_session_read() (line 107 of /var/www/drupal/includes/session.inc).
[22:01] <brobostigon> thats the error.
[22:01] <ali1234> ok that's a cookie error
[22:01] <ali1234> or rather, an error that you at least need cookies enabled to trigger
[22:02] <ali1234> still can't trigger it as anon user though, even if i allow cookies
[22:02] <brobostigon> so, something requires cookies, but can enable such?
[22:02] <ali1234> i bet it's related to your little cookie warning plugin though
[22:02] <jacobw> better doesn't preclude fustrating :)
[22:02]  * jacobw is still happy with unity
[22:02] <brobostigon> ali1234: ah,
[22:03] <brobostigon> ali1234: what would you say i need to look for?
[22:03] <ali1234> i dunno. try disabling that plugin?
[22:03] <brobostigon> ali1234: ok.
[22:03] <ali1234> look at line 107 of session.inc
[22:03] <ali1234> add debugging statements
[22:03] <ali1234> figure out why it crashes
[22:03] <ali1234> look at the web server log
[22:04] <brobostigon> ali1234: i havent seen anything in perticuler, related in apaches logs.
[22:05] <TheFred> Good evening y'all :)
[22:07] <jacobw> hi TheFred
[22:07] <TheFred> Hello jacobw :)
[22:07] <directhex> brobostigon: loads here, but hella slow
[22:09] <brobostigon> directhex: yes, it always has been on the slow side.
[22:09] <TheFred> brobostigon, whats slow?
[22:10] <brobostigon> TheFred: depends, some find my server fast-ish, and some more slower, as directhex said above.
[22:11] <TheFred> ah! maybe depends on ISP and real-time routing over the net i guess
[22:11] <brobostigon> TheFred: possible.
[22:12] <TheFred> I know some ISP's (three for example) dont like ssh..
[22:12] <jacobw> internet routing is fairly stable
[22:13] <jacobw> ssh is always possible :)
[22:13] <TheFred> not for me, I mainly go online over my mobile and it depends on the weather/time of day/etc...
[22:13] <TheFred> yes, its always possible, but the lag can be a bitch
[22:14] <jacobw> problems with 3G are one thing
[22:16] <TheFred> yup, tonight I have full bars of reception and a HSDPA connect so its blazing, but yesterday I could only get about 256
[22:16] <TheFred> Kps
[22:16] <brobostigon> interesting, i do not get the above error in iceweasel, but do in chrome.
[22:16] <brobostigon> weird.
[22:20] <jacobw> sounds workable
[22:23] <brobostigon> atleast. now i know, it is directly related to chrome.
[22:25] <jacobw> perhaps its a drupal js chrome bug
[22:25] <brobostigon> possible, yes.
[22:26] <brobostigon> anyays, something to solve in the morning, with a fresh mind.
[22:26] <brobostigon> good night everyone.
[22:28] <TheFred> gnight, brobostigon
[22:28] <brobostigon> good night TheFred
[22:30] <dogmatic69> pastebinit is retuning the url only, not with the code
[22:30]  * bigcalm looks in for a bit
[22:30] <dogmatic69> Saw an update today for pastebinit and someone borked it :(
[22:31]  * TheFred chilling to hbr1 : dream factory
[22:32] <bigcalm> Does the sound work for anybody in Limbo? Or is it just my system that's at fault?
[22:38] <TheFred> bigcalm, which sound do you mean?
[22:38] <bigcalm> TheFred: Humble Indy Bundle game Limbo - no music or game fx
[22:39] <TheFred> ah - ok,context, thats helps me understand, but i dont have a solution. sorry
[22:39] <bigcalm> :)
[22:40] <TheFred> Here's my question: what do you think about the possability of voice input for ubuntu?
[22:43] <TheFred> Im working on a project to provide voice input (not control...yet) and could use some testers... anyone game?
[22:48] <TheFred> nobody?
[22:49] <TheFred> The software will be available through the software center when ready
[22:50] <TheFred> There's just the last 20% to polish before im happy to release it
[22:52] <penguin42> You mean I'll be able to shout 'Terminal; rm -rf / enter '
[22:54] <bigcalm> penguin42: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20120320
[22:55] <penguin42> bigcalm: Haha - but it's much older joke than that
[22:56] <bigcalm> That's odd
[22:56] <bigcalm> Must be re-runs
[22:56] <TheFred> penguin42, YES!
[22:56] <bigcalm> I recall that strip from 10+ years ago
[22:57] <TheFred> I am testing it here now
[22:57] <penguin42> there was a DOS varient of the joke
[22:57] <TheFred> it manly works ok
[22:58] <TheFred> I am designing it with email or skype instant messaging in mind as well as the usual email
[22:59]  * bigcalm hits the shower
[22:59] <bigcalm> Poor shower
[22:59] <TheFred> shower abuse :-s
[22:59] <TheFred> o_O
[23:04] <jacobw> i don't understand
[23:04] <jacobw> how is the voice recognition being done?
[23:05] <TheFred> Im creating an android app to do the hard work, then sending to ubuntu socket
[23:05] <jacobw> ubuntu socket?
[23:05] <TheFred> tcp
[23:06] <TheFred> then xdotool enters the text into currently focused cursor area
[23:07] <jacobw> it seems to me that you would have a voice recognition stub on the android device utilising whatever voice recognition is available communicating with a process on the ubuntu machine that matches the text to an action
[23:08] <TheFred> yes
[23:09] <jacobw> using ssh or some other thing with tls would make sense for the network transport, and you would need a number of 'actions', which would presumably be functions in whichever language the process is written in
[23:09]  * jacobw suggests using python and twisted
[23:11] <jacobw> i don't know what xdotool, i would accept using unity/compiz specific methods of text input to arbitary windows instead of using something X related
[23:11] <jacobw> anyhow, it's an extensive project, good luck :)
[23:11] <penguin42> jacobw: Or send dbus (or what ever the current fad) messages
[23:12] <TheFred> thanks, jacobw
[23:12] <jacobw> ah, i hadn't thought about that
[23:12] <TheFred> hmm, dbus... thats food for thought
[23:12] <penguin42> either that or wrangle them through HUD?
[23:12] <jacobw> i've been told so many times that dbus is not like kde3's dcop, then it turns out that it is
[23:13] <jacobw> HUD would awesome
[23:13]  * jacobw →  sleep
[23:15] <TheFred> heh - seems like i must regulate mission creep for this :)
[23:15] <penguin42> ah yes that can happen :-)
[23:17] <ali1234> xdotool isn't very good
[23:17] <ali1234> it's very ... raw
[23:17] <ali1234> better to make a real input method... which i think is done with dbus
[23:18] <TheFred> so far im finding a combo of xdotool and AutoKey to be highly effective
[23:18] <ali1234> yeah but it is racy
[23:18] <TheFred> but i take what you say on board, ali1234
[23:18] <ali1234> if i'm clicking the mouse and talking, half the letters can end up in the wron place with xdotool, if focus changes
[23:18] <TheFred> it gets a bit hairy when im using the voice input to modify phrases in autokey :)
[23:18] <ali1234> a real IME can block other events to stop bad thnigs like that happening
[23:19] <ali1234> it can also be more flexible
[23:19] <ali1234> more work of course
[23:19] <TheFred> Thats the distinction: voice input, not voice control, thats the next step
[23:19] <ali1234> yeah
[23:19] <ali1234> voice control, through the hud, would be very good. it would make the hud actually useful
[23:20] <TheFred> yup - but its a can of worms if i dont manage the project properly
[23:20] <penguin42> ali1234: It feels like what it is designed for
[23:20] <ali1234> well voice control is closer to a shell than to a GUI
[23:20] <ali1234> HUD is somewhere in between
[23:20] <TheFred> well, the good news is that this week coming i have 5 full days sheduled to the final polish
[23:21] <ali1234> TheFred: are you the same guy who was here before talking about this?
[23:21] <ali1234> or on ask ubuntu or something
[23:21] <TheFred> yes, a few months back
[23:21] <ali1234> i remember someone else using android for voice API
[23:21] <ali1234> cos it is done online by google and therefore actually good
[23:22] <TheFred> yes, I have thick cornish/dorset/somerset accent, and it manages around 98% accuracy
[23:23] <penguin42> 'Four candles'
[23:23] <TheFred> hahahahaha
[23:23] <TheFred> no: fork handles :)
[23:23] <ali1234> 'andles for forks
[23:23] <penguin42> I wish they used that instead of pids
[23:24] <TheFred> very good penguin42, points awarded :D
[23:24] <TheFred> i dont follow? pids in which context?
[23:24] <ali1234> but handles are duplicated across forks, no?
[23:25] <TheFred> depends on the Freds...
[23:25] <TheFred> *Threads
[23:26] <TheFred> can some one please post a forward slash - my layout doesn't have it
[23:26] <TheFred> i can get / but not the other
[23:26] <penguin42> oh you mean a backward slash
[23:26] <penguin42>  \
[23:27] <penguin42> are you sure it's not on your # key
[23:27] <TheFred> yea - im getting tired now: been rowing for an hour
[23:27] <TheFred> nah ... i can get # and ~, but not the opposite of /
[23:27] <penguin42> have you tried turning youre keyboard around?
[23:28] <TheFred> !"£$%^&*()_-+=[{]}#~:;@'<,>.?/
[23:28] <TheFred> damit
[23:28] <ali1234> what keyboard is it?
[23:29] <TheFred> travelmate 2500 - english, but with arabic sub-chars on the keys
[23:29] <ali1234> full size enter key?
[23:29] <TheFred> YES
[23:30] <TheFred> sorry - yes
[23:31] <ali1234> hmm no pipe key either?
[23:31] <TheFred> yes - which frustrates me .. until i installed autokey, and that helps
[23:51] <TheFred> meh... seems my change from 10.10 to 12.04 has a different location for xdotool, this will make for interesting packaging ...
[23:56] <dogmatic69> anyone know of a non ruby version of http://godrb.com/
[23:57] <ali1234> nagios?
[23:57] <ali1234> upstart?
[23:57] <ali1234> systemd??
[23:58] <TheFred> That URL reads like a religious joke : installing god on a darwin system....
[23:59] <TheFred> isnt that blasphemy?
[23:59] <ali1234> yes
[23:59] <ali1234> but nobody cares


[04:20] <tsimonq2> When does publisher maintenance typically start? I've heard 6 AM UK time on Sundays but nothing definitive.
[09:20] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: 59 05  * * 0 /srv/launchpad.net/production/launchpad/cronscripts/publishing/cron.daily-ppa >> /srv/launchpad.net/production-logs/lp_publish/cron.ppa.log 2>&1
[09:21] <cjwatson> One of our more impressively misnamed scripts
[09:35] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Aha, thanks.
[09:37] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Wait, so despite the comment in the script and the script naming, this thing is done weekly?
[09:37] <tsimonq2> Hm, looks like it.
[09:37] <tsimonq2> I'd be curious to hear the rationale for that.
[09:47] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Presumably because running a thing daily that takes several hours is a bit rude.
[09:47] <cjwatson> And nobody ever got round to renaming the thing.
[09:47] <cjwatson> It was probably initially daily.
[09:48] <cjwatson> (And also it should eventually be removed once our publishing machinery is better - it's a workaround.)
[09:54] <tsimonq2> Fair.
[10:12] <tsimonq2> I wonder if that could be sped up if at all possible... I'd imagine the bottleneck is find so the output could be piped to a temp file and then rmdir could run at once?
[10:12] <tsimonq2> (So, get the lock after find runs.)
[10:23] <cjwatson> I doubt that would help measurably.
[10:23] <cjwatson> And the reason this blocks publishing is that it would otherwise be racy.
[10:24] <cjwatson> The correct fix is to chase down all the places where the publisher doesn't do this sort of empty-directory cleanup for itself, I think.  (Or it would become irrelevant if we ever do diskless PPAs.)


[00:35] <BobJonkman> belkinsa: Sorry, wasn't paying attention.  Pong.
[00:36] <belkinsa> It's cool.  That's what IRC is for.  ;)  Anyways, how was the meeting?
[00:38] <BobJonkman> Our video chat was remarkably successful
[00:38] <BobJonkman> Seems Hangouts only allow 10 people to participate at a time, and we had a lineup of people wanting in
[00:40] <BobJonkman> Meeting summary at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2014/2014-01-23#Meeting_summary
[00:40] <belkinsa> Wow!
[00:40] <BobJonkman> (with a link to the RecordMyDesktop capture of the first 2 1/2 minutes
[00:41] <BobJonkman> Next time one of us will set up Hangouts On Air, with allow 10 participants, but any number to view the stream.
[00:41] <BobJonkman> HangoutsOnAir will create a YouTube recording as well.
[00:41] <BobJonkman> Sadly, that means I have no justification to buy a larger hard drive
[00:42] <belkinsa> Heh.
[00:43] <belkinsa> Any bandwidth issues?
[00:44] <BobJonkman> Some people had scratchy sound, and some people blinked out to show only an avatar. But nobody dropped, and the software didn't lock from bandwidth issues
[00:44] <BobJonkman> So Google has done a better job on Hangouts than the WebRTC clients we tried
[00:44] <belkinsa> Because they are Google.
[00:44] <belkinsa> But then again, it's new technology, right?
[00:45] <BobJonkman> Still, I know we lost some participants because they want to remain Google-free (don't want to load the proprietary Hangouts plugin in their browser)
[00:45] <BobJonkman> And we lost at least one participant because she only has dialup, no broadband
[00:45] <belkinsa> I understand that.
[00:45] <belkinsa> But the hyibird of the two worked well, right?
[00:45] <belkinsa> Just like VUDS.
[00:46] <BobJonkman> I also feel a little put off by the proprietary SW requirements
[00:46] <belkinsa> SW/
[00:46] <belkinsa> ?8
[00:46] <belkinsa> ?*
[00:46] <BobJonkman> Software
[00:46] <belkinsa> Ah
[00:47] <belkinsa> Oh, jcastro (jorge) still wants to try out WebRTC.
[00:48] <BobJonkman> Well, we can hold another test.
[00:48] <BobJonkman> If I'm around I'll participate
[00:48] <belkinsa> Sure.
[00:48] <belkinsa> But I think it should be private.
[00:49] <belkinsa> Like what we did with genni
[00:50] <BobJonkman> I'd limit it to 3-4 participants, but make it open and public. First come, first served.  That encourages people with different hardware to participate, and gets wider representation.
[00:51] <belkinsa> That can work but I think not at this stage since we haven't found a great client.  Well, unless, it can be chatb.org.
[00:51] <BobJonkman> So that when the chat is finally opened to all there's less chance of dealing with combinations of hardware and software that don't work, but weren't tested.
[00:52] <BobJonkman> I think even chatb.org needs some more work. But I think it's the best of the lot that we've tried.
[00:53] <belkinsa> Yeah.  Do you know if there is any contact information for the server of chatb
[00:53] <BobJonkman> Even though its performance isn't as good as Hangouts, it can be improved because it's open.
[00:53] <belkinsa> And Open is the way to go!
[00:53] <belkinsa> And this could be a community wide effort.
[00:53] <BobJonkman> Yes, jrgifford provided a link to a github repository, which should lead back to the contributors
[00:53] <belkinsa> Prefect
[00:54] <BobJonkman> But I don't have it at my fingertips.
[00:54] <BobJonkman> It was in one of the LoCo Contacts Mailing List messages, though
[00:54] <belkinsa> Alright.
[00:54] <belkinsa> I will work on a wiki page for this so this can be passed on within the community.
[00:54] <BobJonkman> Sorry, I've got to go. Probably be back in three or four hours
[00:54] <belkinsa> Alright, see you later.
[00:55] <BobJonkman> I had a look at your other Wiki page, but not in detail.
[00:55] <BobJonkman> Bye!
[00:55] <belkinsa> As in the user page?
[01:06] <belkinsa> jose, ping
[01:06] <jose> belkinsa: pong
[01:06] <belkinsa> Question regarding Open Week wiki pages.  Will those be updated for the next one?
[01:07] <jose> belkinsa: they will, we're too far away from them
[01:07] <jose> let's wait a month or a bit more and I'll start working on them :)
[01:08] <belkinsa> Alright.
[16:13] <philipballew> czajkowski, Are you going to be at FOSSDEM? If so, would be great to run into each other.
[17:55] <czajkowski> philipballew: I am indeed will be in the NoSQL room on sunday
[17:56] <philipballew> czajkowski, ah cool. I'll have to pop in and check it out!


[04:57] <pfox__> ahoy hoy
[04:57] <pfox__> so im on a recent 13.04 install.. i went from just having the gnome3 ppa added to adding ricotz/testing and gnome3-staging
[04:58] <pfox__> when my system boots up.. it looks like wayland/login or wahtever starts and a (new?) background wallpaper is displayed
[04:58] <pfox__> but it hangs.. no login prompt apeears, etc
[04:58] <pfox__> im on tty1 right now :/
[05:02] <pfox__> killing gnome-shell will cause me to "switch back" to the x display.. but still no login popping up..
[05:03] <pfox__> dmesg has a bunch of error msgs..
[05:11] <pfox__> this is what's in my dmesg: http://ix.io/7SL
[05:11] <pfox__> any help would be greatly appreciated..
[08:24] <darkxst> pfox__, how did you upgrade?
[08:24] <darkxst> if you used apt-get did you do a dist-upgrade?
[10:29] <arpu> ricotz,  gnome-boxes works for me!
[10:29] <arpu> thx a lot
[10:30] <arpu> any plans to inculde other 3.9 packages? (gedit-plugins, totem, emapthy)
[12:49] <pfox__> darkxst: yes
[12:50] <pfox__> i ended up having to change to lightdm
[12:50] <pfox__> the particular dmesg issue was with gdm running telepathy and apparmor denying some actions it was trying to perform
[12:50] <pfox__> so i disabled usr.lib.telepathy in apparmor, and that changed the dmesg output, but still no login
[12:50] <pfox__> anyways. lightdm :(
[13:59] <neosergio> HI
[13:59] <neosergio> o/
[16:01] <Zoiaguyver> Ohh looks like gnome is coming along nicely with the Software center, http://en.eladalfassa.com/2013/09/gnome-software/
[18:35] <bjsnider> that looks kind of ugly to me
[18:35] <bjsnider> also does the same things as ubuntu software center
[18:37] <Maple__> >synaptic
[18:40] <bjsnider> the thing between ubuntu and gnome is both sides have to go out and reinvent the wheel
[18:41] <Maple__> > <3 integration
[19:03] <jbicha> software-center will likely be ported to qt in the future; when that happens gnome-software may look a lot better
[19:04] <jbicha> on the other hand, GNOME likely won't support installing proprietary apps
[19:56] <bjsnider> thought software-center was qt already
[21:01] <petersaints> Is there anyway to get GNOME Control Center 3.8 on Ubuntu 13.10? I think that besides a PPA with the next version of GNOME, and the staging one, another PPA should be available with packages that are heldback on default Ubuntu (such as the GNOME Control Center). Also, in the PPAs Nautilus should be built with tracker support.
[21:54] <jbicha> petersaints: I think that the GNOME3 PPA will stay at 3.8 for 13.10 and there will be a separate PPA for 3.10
[21:56] <jbicha> anybody can make their own PPA with nautilus built with tracker; I don't think we're willing to try to fork nautilus in the GNOME3 PPA
[21:57] <jbicha> since that would mean that we'd have to make sure the PPA version number was always slightly higher than the one in the regular repositories
[21:58] <jbicha> one possible outcome is that Ubuntu Desktop will look a lot more like the mobile interface in 14.10 and use their new file manager by default
[22:28] <jbicha> darkxst: maybe you should get release team approval for bug 1219188?
[22:51] <petersaints> jbicha: Ok. I get your point about Nautilus. Also I can just rebuild the package from source with another flag if I need that feature. But could you at least add the Gnome Control Center 3.8? So that Privacy, Notifications and Search options can be configured?


[12:25] <rbasak> popey: please could you add Skuggen to ~ubuntu-wiki-editors? His LP ID is lars-tangvald.
[12:26] <rbasak> popey: also while you're there please also add ~nryeng.
[14:36] <doko> coreycb, jamespage, rbasak: could I have feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman/+bug/1735372 ?
[15:44] <gQuigs> seems to be going more towards a NAK for my Ubuntu Monthly Update Cadence Proposal but more comments always welcome!  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2018-February/thread.html#17875
[15:44] <gQuigs> To me, this is also the perfect couple of months to make proposals like this. So if you want to make a different proposal, please do :)
[18:35] <popey> rbasak: sorry only just saw this. Will do.
[18:36] <rbasak> popey: np, thanks!
[19:31] <popey> rbasak: done
[20:01] <phibs> Anyone know if launchpad is having issues? I'm trying to upload my GPG key and getting timeout errors.
[20:08] <cjwatson> That's an isolated problem, though a known one
[20:08] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1753019
[20:09] <phibs> oh man
[20:09] <phibs> 2 weeks ????
[20:12] <cjwatson> wgrant: Do you think you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/gpg-timeline/+merge/340554, please?  I'd like to have some hope of being able to debug this
[20:13] <cjwatson> Yeah, I mean it's probably not going to go away by itself and the current instrumentation isn't enough to debug it (or I'm missing something).
[20:13] <cjwatson> Though somewhat mysterious why it appeared in the first place.
[20:17] <phibs> cjwatson: thanks for the info
[21:18] <ahasenack> hi, who maintains gvfs in ubuntu? I'm tempted to bump this timeout[1] to see if the gvfs tests[2] become less flaky
[21:19] <ahasenack> (hm, just a sec, I should have had the urls ready)
[21:19] <ahasenack> 2. http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/gvfs/bionic/ppc64el
[21:19] <ahasenack> 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1713098/comments/4
[21:20] <ahasenack> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1713098/comments/5
[21:21] <ahasenack> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/tree/test/gvfs-test#n264 for the code
[21:22] <ahasenack> alternatively, I was wondering about using Gio.MountUnmountFlags.FORCE instead of NONE
[21:23] <ahasenack> but if there is a real bug there, FORCE might hide it
[21:26] <jbicha> ahasenack: I know that Laney has a gvfs upload in progress :)
[21:27] <ahasenack> reason I'm interested in fixing this is because my samba uploads always have a hard time with this flaky gvfs test :)
[21:28] <ahasenack> jbicha: is it in excuses already, do you know?
[21:28] <ahasenack> doesn't look like it
[21:28] <ahasenack> also not in lp yet
[21:29] <jbicha> there is a 1.36.0 upstream release, he hasn't uploaded his work to bionic yet
[21:30] <ahasenack> I checked git and that particular test hasn't changed
[21:30] <jbicha> right, I only mentioned it because you wanted to know who to talk to ;)
[21:30] <ahasenack> nor has unmount_api(), which is what times out
[21:30] <ahasenack> right
[21:31] <jbicha> I think upstream was a bit surprised we used their tests, lol
[21:31] <ahasenack> seb128 seems to have done a lot of uploads
[21:31] <ahasenack> jbicha: I'm actually hovering over "submit bug" on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gvfs, I have it filled out alreayd
[21:33] <ahasenack> Laney: if you see this later/tomorrow/monday, would you be willing to "sneak in" a timeout change in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/tree/test/gvfs-test#n264 from 5 to, say, 10s, to see if the gvfs tests pass more frequently? (bug #1713098)
[21:37] <ahasenack> or perhaps use Gio.MountUnmountFlags.FORCE instead of NONE in that unmount_api() call
[21:37] <ahasenack> ok, have a great weekend everyone :)