[03:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[04:05] <cfhowlett> hey hey hey lotuspsychje
[05:03] <Ben64> that guy is really mad
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> i saw him before here
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> might be back after the splits
[05:04] <Ben64> don't see him in my logs anywhere
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[05:05] <Ben64> ip location is khazakstan
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> its borat
[10:53] <daftykins> XD borat in #ubuntu
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:28] <daftykins> o/
[12:33] <OerHeks> ☺
[15:58] <daftykins> i see it is troll season
[16:25] <OerHeks> i love a good troll for breakfast, with onions and fresh toe-cheese
[16:25] <OerHeks> daftykins, >> http://news.softpedia.com/news/first-malicious-app-published-in-store-for-ubuntu-touch-494595.shtml
[16:36] <daftykins> :O!
[16:51] <EriC^^> evening everyone
[16:51] <daftykins> hallo thar o/
[16:51] <EriC^^> o/
[16:52] <daftykins> mercy mercy me, troll season it be
[16:58] <EriC^^> :D
[17:10] <daftykins> even my cat is joining in!
[17:10] <EriC^^> lol
[17:10] <OerHeks> mauw
[17:10] <daftykins> 1) Cat goes outside 2) Cat walks to my office window 3) Cat miaows at me as if she can't get in
[17:10] <daftykins> :)
[17:10] <EriC^^> lol
[17:13] <EriC^^> wow the atmosphere in #ubuntu is taking a plunge
[17:14] <OerHeks> Why aren't you an op, EriC^^ ?
[17:15] <EriC^^> i was just thinking if i were op, i'd ....
[17:15] <daftykins> ...nuke it from orbit?
[17:15] <OerHeks> tony was there just a minute ago
[17:15] <EriC^^> daftykins: lol
[17:16] <daftykins> this yama guy needs a +q stat
[17:16] <daftykins> anyone tried to report it in -ops yet?
[17:16] <daftykins> i thought ikonia was an op
[17:20] <OerHeks> 1 2 3 ...
[17:21] <OerHeks> oh no not in discuss
[17:23] <daftykins> nooooo
[17:23] <OerHeks> no no, no no nooo no, there is no limit !
[17:24] <OerHeks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5W7Xn7FiA
[17:43] <EriC^^> why hasn't there been like a new i7 and stuff?
[17:44] <daftykins> there has! 6th generation skylake came out a bit ago
[17:45] <daftykins> but to start with they were only the enthusiast parts, i think the majority of standard line parts for laptops etc are coming in the new year (in quantity)
[17:46] <EriC^^> i see
[17:48] <EriC^^> so the new one is i7-6xxx
[17:48] <daftykins> yep
[17:49] <daftykins> i'm really excited by the new model Dell XPS 13 (9350) - it's claiming 18hrs battery now O_O
[17:49] <EriC^^> wow
[17:49] <EriC^^> that's really cool
[17:49] <daftykins> (1080p screen model)
[17:49] <HackerII> it runs @ 14 mhz
[17:49] <HackerII> el oh el
[20:25] <daftykins> EriC^^: any clue as to how this user nuked this disk?
[20:25] <EriC^^> nope
[20:26] <daftykins> wow, flash player has an actively being used zero day that you have to uninstall, on every major OS.
[20:27] <EriC^^> well at least it's consistent
[20:28] <daftykins> :D
[20:28] <EriC^^> it would be amazing if a 0-day didn't come out every week or so :D


[20:08] <d4rkn3t> hello everyone, I need support to deploy openstack-dashboard with juju using LXC, I followed the guide of Marco Ceppi(http://marcoceppi.com/2014/06/deploying-openstack-with-just-two-machines/) but during the deploy the charm rests in pending and after some minutes juju status gives me that (in 1/lxc/5)) http://paste.ubuntu.com/9636578/
[20:17] <d4rkn3t> someone may help me? thanks
[20:24] <d4rkn3t> I've also open a question on ask ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/562906/deploy-openstack-dashboard-and-cinder-with-juju-using-lxc
[20:42] <d4rkn3t> anyone can help me to resolve that?


 How to force the Lubuntu to boot on the cli rather than gui from this grub boot menu... If I choose normal booting, it will power off since there is a power management that watch/check the battery level, idleness etc that force it to be powered off
[00:20] <arraybolt3> @ciKRos: I believe you can boot into recovery mode if you need CLI access.
[00:21] <arraybolt3> @ciKRos: Also you can probably fix the problem you're talking about easily enough by changing a config file.
[00:22] <arraybolt3> @ciKRos: Try booting into Recovery Mode, then enable network access, then enter a root shell.
[00:22] <arraybolt3> @ciKRos: Then change /home/<your username here>/.config/lxqt/lxqt-powermanagement.conf and set "enableBatteryWatcher" to "false".
[03:28] <guiverc> you didn't provide release details, but I just booted a QA test install & told it (at grub) to stop at runlevel 2 & it's CLI only.
[07:51] <haff> Hi all
 looks like the command doesn't work, will look another way to bpa.st via cli next time so i post the dmesg output directly here
 [    0.209351] ACPI: EC: interrupt blocked
 [    0.437679] ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing
 [    0.492073] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: platform retains control of PCIe features (AE_ERROR)
 [    0.530675] ACPI: PCI: Interrupt link LNKA configured for IRQ 7
 [    0.531022] ACPI: PCI: Interrupt link LNKB configured for IRQ 11
[14:43] <arraybolt3> !acpi | @ciKRos
[14:43] <arraybolt3> @ciKRos: ^ Try doing the stuff from there if you're having trouble with getting the computer to start.
 Thanks, I will update the bios first (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <ubottu> @ciKRos: to debug ACPI issues on ubuntu make sure your bios is up to date and follow the procedure here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI)
[14:50] <arraybolt3> @ciKRos: Good luck! Remember to back up your data so you don't lose it if something goes wrong.
 🤞
 I will boot it first to windows 10 since that the


[00:58] <pmatulis> anybody else stuck trying to install 64bit server beta?  the main menu appears and you can't select anything, keeps coming back to 'Configure the clock'
[01:32] <dravekx> anyone know a good link on how to jail users to their home directories via sftp/ssh?
[01:33] <pmatulis> sounds mean
[01:35] <dravekx> join openssh
[01:35] <dravekx> ugh
[01:48] <lajjr> kim0, are online?
[01:51] <pmatulis> the server beta is seriously borked
[02:17] <dravekx> borked?
[02:23] <jmarsden> dravekx: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bork
[02:23] <dravekx> heh
[02:24] <dravekx> works fine for me. I guess it depends on what you are doing.
[02:25] <hydruid> why am i banned from #ubuntu
[02:26] <dravekx> hydruid it might require that you login or else you did something deserving?
[02:27] <hydruid> i did nothing wrong
[04:29] <jrwr> Having some issues with mod_dav_svn, Windows 7 Refuses to mount the repo as a webdav folder, Running Ubuntu 11.04 with Apache/2.2.17; Apache logs say nothing about any errors, windows just comes back with "the parameter is incorrect"
[04:36] <emaula> using apache2, i can access my site in firefox at localhost:80, after changing the ports.conf file to listen on port 8080, i get the 404 error The requested URL / was not found on this server. Apache/2.2.17 (Ubuntu) Server at <IP_ADDRESS> Port 8080
[04:38] <emaula> firewall and routing are correct
[04:39] <jrwr> I know it sounds strange, add a Listen 8080 at the top of your default sites-enabled
[04:41] <emaula> ok will try that
[04:44] <emaula> you are right
[04:44] <emaula> and that is strange
[04:45] <emaula> thanks
[04:46] <jrwr> make sure its still not listening on port 80
[05:32] <ratstick> If I were looking for a channel to have someone run a port scanner against my ubuntu server and make security recommendations - would this be it?
[06:47] <quentusrex> Anyone know of a good channel to talk about proper setup of redundant email systems?
[10:14] <rDx3> glebihan: are you there?
[15:35] <tohuw> Ubuntu Server 11.04, Samba: I've created the [homes] shares, with browsable set to no and nothing set for "valid users". The goal here is that anytime a user is on this network, they can access their home share, but it will still prompt for a password. Which it does. My problem is I don't know what domain to use with the username. I know I'm using the right linux username and password, but every domain I try causes rejection
[16:22] <T3CHKOMMIE> hey guys, i have a question. its not a ubuntu sever one but ive been all over IRC channels and this has been the only channel i can reach somone that is competent and not douchey.... its about changing the default jframe java icon. i have been workin on this for 8 horus in netbeans cant get the damn thing to change :( help?
[18:28] <hydruid> randomuser, i'm in both channels, whats your firewall question
[18:28] <randomuser> i'm trying to figure out where persistent rules are stored
[18:29] <hydruid> randomuser, are you using ufw?
[18:29] <randomuser> the 'community documentation' i found suggested that there is no default file for a ruleset
[18:29] <randomuser> no, just /sbin/iptables
[18:30] <hydruid> randomuser, with my understanding with iptables, there is no "static file with rules"
[18:30] <randomuser> i dont need help configuring the rules, just ensuring they are persistent
[18:30] <hgb^harry> you need to write a script with the rules in it
[18:30] <hydruid> ^^
[18:31] <randomuser> hrmm
[18:32] <randomuser> i suppose I'll just add something to rc.d with iptables-restore <
[18:35] <randomuser> on ufw, i don't see the point of learning a second syntax to administer iptables
[18:37] <hydruid> randomuser, it's a personal preference, I think it's easier
[18:38] <qman__> I create an iptables script and put it in if-up.d
[18:41] <randomuser> that makes sense.
[18:42] <qman__> it works well with DHCP and port forwarding setups
[18:42] <qman__> I have a static IP now, but when I wrote it, that's why I did it that way
[18:50] <randomuser> qman__, meaning you had an external interface and an internal interface, and you only wanted the kernel to be bothered with rules for active interfaces?
[19:10] <qman__> I actually have four interfaces, and the firewall is irrelevant until the internet interface comes online
[21:14] <sms_> cp -r -v /media/trucky/* /home/sms/music through putty resulted in åäö getting messed up, like this:  Aaveenpää -> AaveenpÃ¤Ã¤
[21:14] <sms_> where might the problem be?
[21:15] <Pici> Sometimes weird control characters echoed to the terminal can result in odd effects on the terminal itself.  Try entering 'reset' on your terminal and see if it fxes it.
[21:20] <sms_> It still reads the filenames wrong. But I retyped one filename through winscp, and that name has question marks: Rytmih?iri?
[21:20] <sms_> I meant renamed
[21:21] <qman__> the latter is most likely because of windows
[21:21] <qman__> linux can have files named literally anything, but windows can't
[21:22] <qman__> as for the first one, are you crossing filesystems?
[21:23] <sms_> yeah /media/trucky is a 20gb ntfs usb hard drive
[21:23] <qman__> windows' idea of non-english characters is different from unicode
[21:23] <qman__> that's why
[21:23] <sms_> I see
[21:23] <sms_> damn
[21:24] <qman__> bytewise, the names are identical
[21:24] <qman__> they are simply interpreted different on each system
[21:27] <sms_> Any idea how I could fix the Rytmih?iri? thing?
[21:27] <sms_> Also if I type ö in the putty window, it doesn't show up until I press something else too
[21:27] <qman__> check on the local machine to see if that's just a failed representation, or the actual name
[21:28] <qman__> if it's been changed to the actual ? character, it's not undoable
[21:28] <qman__> if it hasn't, it's just a failure to translate in winscp
[21:28] <sms_> WinSCP sees it as Rytmihäiriö
[21:29] <sms_> putty as Rytmih?iri?
[21:29] <qman__> ah
[21:29] <qman__> then the filenames are not themselves mangled
[21:29] <qman__> they're either in windows or unicode, can't really tell which at this point
[21:30] <qman__> this has been a fairly long standing problem, so I assume there is probably some software that can convert the two
[21:30] <qman__> but I don't know of one off hand
[21:31] <Henriquez> Hi everyone can someone mention an alternative for OCS inventory? > http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/en/
[21:32] <sms_> Well this is weird, I can cd into Rytmihäiriö and Rytmih?iri?
[21:33] <sms_> sms@2xc:~/music/Rytmihäiriö$ but both show up as this
[21:33] <qman__> it's even more confusing now because windows can be coerced into using unicode
[21:33] <qman__> so sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't
[21:33] <sms_> The folder was Renamed through winSCP
[21:34] <sms_> Damn
[21:35] <sms_> But when I press ö in putty, it doesn't show up. But if I press k after that, only ö shows up. Then if I press l, ökl shows up
[21:36] <sms_> Any idea what's whit that
[21:36] <qman__> it's always fun when I rip CDs which have song names that use ? in them, and then try to browse them on a windows machine, only to get some random string of characters
[21:36] <qman__> which may or may not be usable
[21:37] <qman__> that I couldn't tell you, it's going to either be a font thing, a putty thing, or a terminal version thing
[21:37] <qman__> well, terminal type
[21:37] <sms_> Maybe I'll stop listening to scandinavian music..
[21:38] <qman__> nah, it happens with all kinds
[21:38] <qman__> better solution is to stop using windows
[21:38] <qman__> then the problem goes away
[21:38] <sms_> True
[21:39] <qman__> I have run into a couple problems with NFSv3, but NFSv3 is _old_
[21:39] <qman__> and really should be used anyway
[21:39] <qman__> shouldn't*
[21:41] <sms_> If I could put the server and my pc in the same subnet I wouldn't have this problem though..
[21:41] <sms_> But then other family members can't use msn messenger
[21:42] <qman__> people still use that?
[21:43] <sms_> Still somewhat popular in Finland
[21:43] <qman__> fair enough
[21:43] <sms_> I wish everyone used irc :-|
[21:43] <qman__> heh, yeah
[21:43] <Myrtti> filesystems and network sharing protocols treat non-ascii characters differently
[21:43] <qman__> in the US, facebook has taken over all the other IM softwares
[21:45] <ersi> which is even more pathetic imo
[21:45] <qman__> yep
[21:49] <j0nr> I am trying to set my sevrer up to run xbmc. I need to get some sort of X server installed and get my graphcs card drivers working.... having problems! I tried installing the Catalyst but its not working... now I cant remove it
[21:52] <ersi> 1) How did you install Catalyst drivers? 2) What's the exact problem, consequence? 3) What are you not able to remove?
[21:53] <ersi> I can probably not help you, but someone else who reads might be able to - if you provide more information


[00:25] <ubports_bot> Project daily-hammerhead build #316: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/316/
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[01:28]  * nerdboy wouldn't mind seeing grouper build
[01:29] <nerdboy> somebody actually did a new kernel for that (believe it or not)
[01:31] <nerdboy> pretty sure that's the oldest nexus7
[01:32] <nerdboy> running 7.1.2 apparently, but the Big Kernel Upgrade was to 3.4.113
[04:11] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Hey nerdboy are you a nerdbot?
[04:11] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @UniversalSuperBox, 😝
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 @ubports_bot, You and me both!
 @Jakob, I think i see the main issue with pop messages not being deleted. There isn't a configured "Trash" folder by default for POP3, which is where your message is trying to be moved to. Needs add a check before deleting the first message to create a local trash folder if it doesn't exist.
 @Martin, 👍
 @DanChapman, Will the dekkod be always unconfined?
 https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/09/09/i-worked-with-elon-musk-and-learned-that-intelligence-is-not-the-key-to-success/
 @Flohack not sure right now. It needs to be unconfined so it can work like an actual mail client and not some half arsed intermittent mess that you get with click confinement and messaging protocols. Spent too many years trying to work with confinement and it's just a royal PITA. Plus Dekko isn't just a UT application, so i don't want it to have to work drastically different across platforms. Don't get me wrong i'd love for it to run confined but a
[07:48] <tgBot> cost? dekkod has been running all night on my phone, received 465 notifications across 5 email accounts and it only used 2% battery over 6 hours.  Not bad IMHO
 ^^
 No Im just asking bc im curious
 Maybe we should think about giving confinement a whole new idea
 Currently it blocks many great ideas. And hey, my desktop has no confinement and I am also having no issues
 😃 +1 to that! It really is broken for some usecases
 People who use Ubuntu Touch could be called a bit more aware of security and maybe they dont click each stupid clickbait 😆
 +1 Notification works!!!
 Awesome, I can tell Alberto we´ve made a good progress
 Time tu push up this patreon community! :D https://www.patreon.com/dekkoproject
[08:23] <ubports_bot> Project daily-fp2 build #334: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/334/
[08:24] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #989: SUCCESS in 1 min 8 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/989/
 So @DanChapman the notifications use the module idea for account-polld? How much work was it to get it done?
 No it just pushes the notification straight to the postal service over dbus. (I stole the push_client from account-polld) It didn't really seem to make sense to store the notifications and then wait for the next polld run to pass them on to the post service. This way I don't need to store anything and just act as a proxy.  … Code for the plugin is here https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/ubuntu-notification-plugin
 @DanChapman, Good job Dan excellent notifications. Uauuuuuu
 @Field10pg, 👍
 Is anyone here succesfully using whatsapp on UT with LoquiIM?
 @DanChapman Is there a place to put bugs about Dekko?
 @Cesar_Herrera AFK right now but there's a link to the issue tracker in the open store info 😊
 @DanChapman, There is a bug that in reply to a mail I do not get the OSK ;)
 @DanChapman, Thanks
 @Flohack, not a dekko bug 😊 i presume it's a focus issue in unity8 (or somewhere else) for multi window apps. Just pull the indicator panel down a little and close it and the keyboard should pop up
 ^^ ok
 webbrowser has the same issue with private mode
[10:55] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> @Georgecloon, For mW it worked after several attemtps
 @Andre Büsgen, With encryption as well?
[11:03] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> To be honest I only checked whether registration works. I don't use WhatsApp. Only for some group conversations.
 Unfortunately it's the largest IM service where I live
 And I'd rather not carry another phone just for whatsapp.
[11:18] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> i tried ubports on my oneplus but it's not in an usable state for me. I will have to wait some time before my main device goes ubports ;)
 WhatsApp is always the stumbling block. For that convenience you have to sell your soul though …
[11:29] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Hopefully anbox will works soon on ut
[11:29] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Then you won't have to sell your soul
 @Vijay Kumar, is anybody even working on making that happen?
[11:30] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> I am not but there are people working on it and on Ubuntu desktop it is working also..
[11:31] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> If you like there is a tg group for anbox
[11:31] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @anbox
[11:31] <tgBot> <Jaume Al habla desde el zapatofóno> @DanChapman, How can I help?
 @Vijay Kumar, By using whatsapp you still sell it a bit ^^
[11:32] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @Flohack, You would do that for the stupid friends who won't leave WhatsApp . Wouldn't you if you could ?
 sure
 I dont say selling your soul is bad per se ^^
[11:36] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/OUFaNtlo/file_474.webp
[11:36] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> (damn nothing witty to say)
 Their business model is about control. If you sidestep that they will outflank you quite rapudly
 Rapidly even
 If my family or friends aren't on telegram then they will have to call, sms or email me, simple as that. I can't be bothered with having 101 IM apps and I don't even try and persuade them to use the one i like... I just call them 😊
 Maybe an Asteroid OS hack is a compromise?
 @Vijay Kumar, I'm not really interested in using it, thanks anyway. I've just havn't heard about anybody still working on it specifically for UT
 @DanChapman, They sound suspiciously like this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1623861 which we thought may have regressed at one point. But depends on your qtubuntu version as well
[11:44] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1623861 in Canonical System Image "Switching between two windows of the same app using quick swipe from right edge breaks focus" [High,Fix released]
 hmm and also this here: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/52
 Florian can you link that bug I just posted in that GitHub issue it maybe related and help debug
 Perhaps related to my 'training message' freeze. Which I must file a bug report on
 @ahayzen aha! that does indeed seem very similar. Thanks
 @ahayzen, Done ;)
 @ Dan Chapman: I'm using Dekko 2 with Gmail and am receiving notifications on my Nexus 5 with is then pushed to my Pebble watch via the RockWork app. Fantastic.
[11:49] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @DanChapman, Yup. 😊
 @eszklar, hah nice! 😃
 I was going to get a pebble watch at one point. I wonder how much I can pick one up for nowadays
 ooo pebble steel for £60
 @ Dan Chapman: I have a plain Pebble, but it was cheap. Nice to be able to use it in some capacity once Fitbit fully kills Pebble.
 @Flohack, Thanks :-)
 Wondering if Asteroid OS would ever come to UBPorts.
 there is any chance to have android wear application or similar in ubports?
 @eszklar, I was thinking that if you absolutely MUST have WhatsApp, keep it in an isolated box on your wrist …
 January 2015: 50% more WhatsApp messages than SMS texts, globally
 @eszklar, Just need someone to make a syncing app for it, I'm sure it would be welcomed
 And I'm sure they would get all the help they'd need in the AsteroidOS IRC channel
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 @Lorxu, True, would be interested in AsteroidOS working with UBPorts myself.
[14:39] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Which device would you guys recommend for the best ubports compatibility now and in the future?
 fairphone 2 is pretty solid. Just hard to come by in a short time 😊
[14:42] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> wasn't it about 600€? If so this is too expensive for me at the moment :). But it's woth a fair device it think.
[14:43] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> It would be great if all their components were free as in freedom, too. At least for the firmware
 @DanChapman, all the reason
 Andre yeah they are expensive, but afaik that one has the most complete port. Nexus 5 is also a good device
[14:55] <tgBot> stefanomelchior was added by: stefanomelchior
 @ahayzen, how did you wrote `Florian` with the link to his profile even if he's got a username?
 ^^
 @mymike00, Good question.
 @DanChapman thank you for the notifications
 👍
 is there a way to link notifications only to prefered contacts?
 for example only to adresses of adress book?
 No but that's a great idea!
 Are notifications work also if Dekko is closed?
 Could you create an issue for that please and describe how you would like it to work https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues/new
 yep you can close dekko. The service will also restart after a reboot so no need to reopen dekko
 Thinking about it... a silence notifications for thread feature would also be nice. especially for noisy mailing lists and threads your not really interested in
[15:49] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> @DanChapman, Do you have one? If so how is the build quality?
[15:49] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> a Fairphone to be clear
[15:54] <tgBot> <Jose Barakat> Question: Is it possible to install a UBPorts ROM in a tablet with MTK 8317T CPU (Acer Iconia B1) ?
 only if there is already a port fot it, and I don't thinko so. see https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch here supported devices
 @mymike00, Just typed @ then started typing the name then clicked on it
 @mymike00, Sometimes Telegram forgets how to username.
 @UniversalSuperBox, ah ok😂😂
 😂🙈
[16:00] <tgBot> <Jose Barakat> @mymike00, How can I help support unsupported devices like mine?
 @Jose Barakat, There are hundreds of devices out there, all unique. In any real scenario it is likely to be so long before your tablet is supported that it would be antique
 Supported tablets are even more rare than supported phones
 That is the honest answer
 @Andre Büsgen, Yes I have one. Good build quality but a bit heavy for my liking
 On th upside though you would definitiely noticed if somone nabbed it out of your pocket
 😃
[16:10] <tgBot> <Jose Barakat> @Stereofont, Thanks. Now I know it's time to buy a new one. Supported by both Android and UBPorts.
 BQ M10 FHD is supported. May still be in their clearance section
 But you cannot dual boot
[16:22] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> @DanChapman, Thanks. I will think of Fairphone when it's time to get a new smartphone ;)
[16:29] <tgBot> H was added by: H
 Linux Phone Crowdfunder Hits $200k, Is ‘Ahead of Trend Line to Succeed’ … http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/linux-phone-crowdfunder-hits-200k-ahead-trend-line-succeed
 I'm sorry to spam... But sheesh... This might actually happen....
 dekko para desktop?
 @kz6fittycent, Great. still waiting for it to ship. ;)
 Yeah. If it actually makes it there's that. However their laptop is apparently shipping...
 And a tablet too I think
 Yeah, but they had the normal crowdfunder problems. I'll believe this phone when I see it.
 And we can make a decision on it as a project when that happens. :)
 Same here.
 @geminis65, sorry i'm not sure I follow. what are you wanting to know?
 @DanChapman, Is there a Desktop version?
 Ah ok thanks @Stereofont
 @geminis65 there's a snap you can install or you can build it from source https://dekkoproject.org/download/
[17:22] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @DanChapman Hi Dan, I was not online for some days. Thanks very much: notifications works, but should it already work sending new e-mails? I have the N5. BR.
[17:22] <tgBot> H was added by: H
 @DanChapman, I think you forgot to change an option in _config.yml. :)
 Hah yeah i keep forgetting to do that! In fact i will fix that now while i update the click package info
 @Mohannes, bloggit
[17:24] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I can receive, but not to send. It freezes the app.
 @Mohannes, sweet
[17:25] <tgBot> Erwin Yükselgil was added by: Erwin Yükselgil
[17:26] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @UniversalSuperBox HI Dalton, any news OTA2 please? Thanks. BR.
 Well, it's in rc right now
 @Milan Korecky, Milan freezing or just not respoding when hitting send? One bug workaround is you need to press enter key after each recipient email address. It should do that automatically when the text field loses focus. Could this be it?
 history
 lol sry
 And it's being tested. Guess we didn't really think through the idea of being able to release during a conference?
[17:28] <tgBot> H was added by: H
 @H, Having fun?
 @UniversalSuperBox, No we did not ^^
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oh, it's a new form of spam. Great.
[17:29] <tgBot> H was added by: H
 @DanChapman, well said man
 @UniversalSuperBox, He told me that he is getting kicked out from the group
 Could we have good usernames pls
 @UniversalSuperBox, He's my friend... I told him about our targets
 Hmm, alright
 Ooh
 But please set yourself some reasonable name
 All I see is him leaving on his own accord
 @kz6fittycent, no.  if canonical couldn't do it, they won't do it.  We are the hope in this realm.  Great if I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
 @wayneoutthere, It actually don't matter even they achieve the target
 We are currently engaged in different goal
 right.  they need people like us who will build greatness not on the payroll.
 hopefully the two projects at least help each other to some level
 but it woudl be greta to see $200K over here
 @wayneoutthere, Man, everyone is great... never underestimate anyone...
 true sorry didn't want to say they aren't great but that we should all work together and focus
 "Dear Librem founders, in case your phone doesnt make it, take your money and put it to UBports" 😆
 Hi all, I wanted to just to say hello and give my thanks to all who make the UT on FP2 possible. I was waiting for this now for at the very least for two years
 @Flohack, yes, like that
 @wayneoutthere, 🤣
 anyway, my message to all 705 of you is this: don't quit, pick up the steam, give another 10 minutes per day to this and we will see cool things happen quickly
[17:35] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @DanChapman, Freezes. With the enter closes super quickly the sending window. New email appears in Outbox, without being send. If I try to send new one the first one is moved to Drafts, and the new one is in Outbox. Nothing goes out in the end.
 THe log file should tell you why it's jsut sitting in outbox. What mailservice do you use?
[17:37] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Gmail
[17:40] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/VAfxSs0k/file_476.jpg
 Milan please file an issue here https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues along with the log
[17:44] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Ups, I will learn now how to fill an issue. 😱, OK I will try.
 @neothethird BTW did anyone ever try to get in contact with the FSF?
 @twinkybot, Ummmm, no, not yet. I don't know how fond they'd be with us using the proprietary android drivers ... Maybe they'd be up for some sort of campaign to create a completely free reverse-engineered phone, but if you look at the respects-your-freedom certified devices, they're all crazy old and slow...
 If you use proprietary drivers, don't even try
 Even Replicant doesn't get their certification
 It's a waste of time
 But they are still trying as far as  I know. Maybe they can share so me resources.
[20:31] <tgBot> * JeffiG
 @DanChapman, Dan, is the snap still from March? My snap info shows no updates
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #265: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/265/
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #991: SUCCESS in 1 min 0 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/991/
 @kz6fittycent, +1 order !
 @Sconio, Good! I have ordered the other day!
 It's not possible to have a matrix bridge for this group?
 I do not know, it's a good idea!
 there's a irc bridge...
 ??
 @deedend, +1
 Irc bridge is uncomfortable to use
 Would be nice to have a direct matrix - telegram bridge, as it is in Halium chat
 i don't use it so I didn't know...🤗
 It's possible to have both at the same time though
 👍
 how ?
 All we need to do is to add a bot here (@tchncs_bot) and make a matrix room on tchncs instance
 Matrix.org doesn't support that bridge at the moment
 can you do it ?
 oh ok
 tchncs.de has https://github.com/SijmenSchoon/telematrix enabled by default and it works through @tchncs_bot
 @Sconio, yes I can sir
 not sure if im allowed though
 we never got to a conclusion with @UniversalSuperBox
 I hesitate because we use tchncs in the Halium group
 @UniversalSuperBox, and I find it super convenient
 It makes a subpar experience for IRC users. But TeleIRC should keep working. But I also need to look into it more.
 real talk
 think about it man
 Gent, i've highlighted a fix to repair the online account owncloud (never implemented on the phones): https://github.com/ubports/calendar-app/issues/30 it's not the most relevant place for it. Do i need to link it somewhere in the github ?
 (Photo, 1233x722) https://irc.ubports.com/iguKF4gv/file_478.jpg halium chat
 (Photo, 1280x558) https://irc.ubports.com/0jDYghh7/file_480.jpg ubports chat
 which one is more comfortable to read?
 Halium for sure!
 yep, but can't you use Telegram😁?
 I hate using Telegram for non-personal stuff
 I use it now, so it seems I can
 though I can't on UBports (webapp is too slow)
 @vanyasem, oh, I understand...
 @vanyasem, I agree on that
 @vanyasem, I can get distracted by my GF if I chat here
 she's not on Riot, so in that case I could just close Telegram and focus on my work
 does that count as a valid argument? :)
 If there is a bridge and someone spams from Matrix can they be blocked without disabling the bridge?
 If there's a mod in the Matrix room with an app that supports the mod tools, I'd suppose
 yes, you can kick (or ban) that person from the room
 @Stereofont, The proper bridges create an user per, well, user. So you can just kick/ban them as if they're just a single user, the bridge relays it
 @Lorxu, exactly 👍
 If the mod there and admin here disagree?
 plz don't over-complicate stuff
 Then an admin here can go through blocked Telegram list and unblock IIRC
 @vanyasem, A good argument but about only one person. I don't know if there is a downside to others that needs to be considered also
 @DanChapman, I also follow the same rule. I just am replacing telegram with riot. That lead to my mom telling my relatives about riot and they were like WTH is it? 😄
 @DanChapman, I'm trying to make more people install Telegram, but it's hard...😱😉
 @mymike00, I just go: "want to reach me? Install Telegram".
 There is already a ubports group on matrix.. but I think that is not in tchncs
 "You don't have whatsapp?"
 "No, I don't have whatsapp.
 @per_sonne, yeah, like that. but it doens't work always...😭
 Who cares.
 In Brazil, when WhatsApp was blocked people flocked to Telegram.  When WhatsApp was unblocked they mostly went back. Peer pressure is very difficult to overcome
 *oh snap* (literally snap)
 @Stereofont, That's why I make people follow me. Want to reach me? Telegram. Every. Single. Time.
 @LarreaMikel, Matrix is decentralised, you dont need the channel to be on same server.
 Just the other day, my company wanted me to use Google Authenticator. I told them: "I don't use Android".
 "Oh, you have an Iphone?"
 "nope".
 @pavi4de, don't know how the bot works...
 @per_sonne, We have a couple TOTP apps.
 I don't know, I show them.
 I'm using them right now.
 @LarreaMikel, tchncs is just one server in the huge matrix network. It also runs a bot which connects the matrix and telegram networks making them look kind of good atleast on matrix side.
 It runs this software on its matrix server https://github.com/SijmenSchoon/telematrix
 yep, I can see it working on the halium group.
 "Keep it simple" is good general principle. Would seven bridges be wise?
 @vanyasem, lol good one 😊
 @vanyasem, Obviously the matrix one is better formatted.
 I still dont understand why some groups are still stuck in the past(telegram)
 I know that, for example, @bhushanshah sits in IRC, Matrix, and Telegram.
 @Kévin, 👍nice one. That's something I have been hoping for.
 So it's not really helpful to "grow the audience" when people sit in all three to get the best experience anyway. :/
 Tensor client is available for Ubuntu also. People do install it.
 We have the Kitsune working on it.
 Yes indeed.
 https://github.com/delijati/tensor/
 Like I said, we'll need to give a bit of thought to it. Really no sense in trying to argue about it right now
 Here is a dot click package to enter matrix world https://github.com/delijati/tensor/releases/download/v0.6.1/tensor.delijati_0.6.1_armhf.click
 Yes, there is also uMatriks
 @Lorxu, Replicant gets FSF's endorsement as a fully free operating system though none of the hardware (the s3, s2, etc.) gets the FSF's RYF (Respects Your Freedom) certifcation because of nonfree bootloaders. … See this page: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html for FSF's statement on Replicant.
[23:34] <nerdboy> lineage without gapps is apparently non-Android...  good to know
 What's the reason for contacting the FSF and becoming certified?
[23:38] <nerdboy> being able to claim you comply with their criteria
 Aaaaaand...?
[23:39] <nerdboy> not looked what they pick about os-wise, but fdroid apps have to be open source and other stuff
[23:39]  * nerdboy did not memorize the list
[23:41] <nerdboy> any app that touches "non-free resources gets a big fat (red) worning
 Indeed
[23:42] <nerdboy> *warning even
[23:43] <nerdboy> anything worse than that doesn't make it in at all afaict
[23:47]  * nerdboy trying really hard not to work on sunday for a change


[11:53] <jphilips> hi all. if anyone has time, can you contribute to completing to the xubuntu user-docs - https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/cosmic/+lang/de
[11:53] <le_bot> Title: German (de) : Series cosmic : Translations : Xubuntu Documentation (at translations.launchpad.net)


[15:17] <t4nk_freenode> hey there, I ran into errors building breezy and I was wondering about python 3.11 support
[15:18] <t4nk_freenode> how is that looking?
[19:57] <t4nk_freenode> euh, this was because there's just been a switch to set python 3.11 as the default in Gentoo


[02:16] <Thermoelectric> Hey, I'm grabbing channels for my MythTV setup. I have setup the rest of myth tv, but when I grab channels, It says there are 13 free to air channels, but the shepherd guide data-MythTV channel table shows nothing. Any ideas?
[02:20] <mcastles> you need to setup shep after you have grabbed all your channels
[02:20] <Thermoelectric> But I can't grab the channels using MythTV's inbuilt grabbers, I'm in Aus, So none of our grabbers show up.
[02:21] <Thermoelectric> Until I setup shep
[02:21] <mcastles> yep, I'm in AUS too... what I do is setup channels in myth setup then exit out and manually do a shep config
[02:22] <mcastles> shep will read your mythtv settings
[02:22] <Thermoelectric> So how do I setup the channels in Mythtv?
[02:22] <mcastles> and setup other stuff like the sym link etc
[02:22] <Thermoelectric> I don't have a digital tuner...
[02:23] <Thermoelectric> So I can't really scan...
[02:23] <mcastles> do you have an analog tuner?
[02:23] <Thermoelectric> Yeah
[02:23] <mcastles> I've only got a digital tuner, so I'm not entirely sure
[02:24] <Thermoelectric> Oh
[02:24] <mcastles> your tuner shows up in mythtv setup?
[02:24] <Thermoelectric> Yep
[02:25] <mcastles> hmm, and scan doesn't work? like I said I've never setup analog on my box
[02:27] <Thermoelectric> Nope, When you go to channel editor, the Channelm Scan button isn't shaded, and I can't press it...
[02:31] <Thermoelectric> when I ran mythfilldatabase, it said no channels were configured to use the grabber :-/
[02:33] <mcastles> hmm, yeah.. I'm not sure what the process with analog is? does anyone else have any thoughts?
[02:49] <Thermoelectric> Might it just be that this card could be unsupported?
[02:49] <Thermoelectric> I haven't seen any Swann tuners on the lists...
[02:50] <mcastles> any particular reason for analog over digital?
[02:55] <Thermoelectric> No, It's just a card that I had around.
[02:57] <mcastles> fair nuff.. well I would suggest a digital card in AUS, now that we are starting to get more dedicated digital channels
[02:57] <Thermoelectric> Yeah. Where'd you get your card from, online or at a retail store?
[02:58] <mcastles> I have a nova t 500 that works well, I ordered it online
[02:58] <mcastles> don't even remember where.. just went for the best price oem
[02:58] <Thermoelectric> Ah, Cool
[02:59] <mcastles> there is a bit of lag between changing channels.. but I think that might have something to do with  my cpu/ram
[02:59] <Thermoelectric> That makes sense
[02:59] <mcastles> it doesn't really matter cos 95% of my watching is recorded tv anyway
[02:59] <Thermoelectric> You should have System monitor  open when you change channels, see if it peaks
[02:59] <Thermoelectric> Ah
[03:00] <mcastles> good idea, I will try that out
[03:00] <Thermoelectric> :-)
[16:38] <tgm4883> kees, you around?
[22:50] <K-train> Hello.  I installed mythbuntu 9.10 ~ 3 days ago and have been quite pleased though I have a few questions, with which I will preface with a few comments.
[22:51] <K-train> After installing I changed the /dev/dvd to /dev/sr0 in the mythbuntu settings which made my DVDs play with the internal player and i am pleased but now i'm faced with a ripping problem
[22:52] <K-train> Under Setup/utilities ->Setup -> media settings -> video settings -> general settings, there was nothing in the "Direcotries that hold videos" field.  I populated that filed with /var/lib/mythtv/videos and I was able to rip.
[22:54] <K-train> but i can replay the dvds that i rip.  I have ripped in .iso and also in "perfect"/.vob  but I cannot play them back because I cannot find them.
[22:55] <K-train> I looked under "media library -> Watch videos" section but nothing is there.  Some direction would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!
[23:00] <mrand> !iso | K-train
[23:00] <Zinn> K-train: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[23:00] <mrand> K-train: Not sure if that is it or not... but worth a look.
[23:01] <K-train> i will definately take a look at that regarding .iso files... but what about .vob files?
[23:02] <mrand> Well, my gut instinct is that .iso's normally contain .vob, so it might be the same problem... but I honestly am unsure.   I need to find time to play with it all to gain a full understanding.
[23:03] <K-train> np. Thanks... is it appreciated to share my success with you guys?
[23:03] <K-train> for those types of problems?
[23:04] <mrand> K-train: it isn't necessary, although it might be nice to know if it applies to vob as well.
[23:05] <K-train> k... i just read the link that was provided by Zinn... i have mine setup like it suggests... how am I supposed to go about access the .iso files from within mythbuntu?  I have tried the "media library -> Watch video" but they do not show hup.
[23:05] <K-train> *up
[23:06] <gregL> K-train did you scan of them?
[23:06] <gregL> for*
[23:07] <K-train> uhh... no.  I hate to ask.. but where is that option?
[23:07] <K-train> I though I went through all the settings..
[23:07] <K-train> is it a front or backend thing?
[23:07] <gregL> When you go into where you view the movies,hit m and choose  scan..
[23:09] <gregL> Also make sure the video folder is readable by the user that is running mythtv.
[23:12] <K-train> nice!  thanks.  let me try it.
[23:13] <K-train> The scan worked great.
[23:13] <gregL> cool
[23:14] <K-train> is "m" a menu option in most of the setting 'pages'?
[23:14] <gregL> yes, I also.
[23:15] <K-train> k... i will try that also.  U guys have been great help.
[23:16] <gregL> Read the info on this site......http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide
[23:16] <K-train> I will do that.  thanks.
[23:16] <gregL> That will give  a better idea whats going on...
[23:16] <gregL> np
[23:25] <K-train> When a video/dvd is ripped.  do you need to put in the information yourself?  the 3 i ripped don't have anything for the time duration, description, etc?
[23:30] <gregL> if you named it correctly, hit w and it will download the Meta data..
[23:31] <gregL> You should follow the transition guide it explains it all..
[23:38] <garrythefish> not enough drilling. that's what's the problem with the lesbos at #ubuntu-women
[23:44] <K-train> i will. thanks again.


[18:08] <dax> !sysrq
[18:18] <tomreyn> dax: diff is mostly that sysrq suggested pressing all of REISUB when only SUB works (due to the limiter that was introduced years ago to prevent physical attacks) and that printk was previously wrong, suggested raising the printk when it should be lowered.
[18:18] <tomreyn> (my mistake there)
[18:20] <dax> !printk
[18:20] <dax> !-printk
[18:21] <dax> ubottu: no, printk is <reply> If your !tty is flooded with error messages, you can limit the kernel logging daemons' log level below the default of 4 (KERN_WARNING), e.g. by running "echo 3 | sudo tee -a /proc/sys/kernel/printk". More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks#printk_is_your_friend and syslog(2)
[18:22] <dax> tomreyn: are R,E,I disabled on all supported ubuntu versions?
[18:23] <tomreyn> dax: i would think definitely on generic kernels since 16.04, do not know about -oem (probably, too, based on how its patchset was described to me), do not know about ubuntu core.
[18:24] <dax> !-sysrq
[18:24] <dax> ubottu: sysrq =~ s/R, E, I, //
[18:24] <dax> !sysrq
[18:26] <tomreyn> thank you!
[18:35] <tomreyn> dax: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/sysrq.rst would be the 'official' (but not necessarily newbie friendly) sysrq manual and /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf defines the restrictions of which keys are supported on ubuntu systems.
[18:39] <tomreyn> in addition to user space, the sysrq restrictions are also baked into kernels via CONFIGs: grep -i SYSRQ /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[18:39] <dax> yup. i'm at work and don't have an ubuntu handy, so wasn't sure which ones were enabled
[18:41] <tomreyn> the kernel restrictions are way more loose,though
[18:41] <tomreyn> i won't bug you more ;)


[17:04] <jussi> Hiya mquin
[17:05] <mquin> 'lo
[17:06] <jussi> Im of the understanding that the #ubuntustudio-* is a seperately registered group to #ubuntu-*. We are trying to get things into line, can you check who the gc is?
[17:07] <jussi> if its ckontros/_mma_ could you have a conversation with him?
[17:07]  * ckontros waves
[17:07] <ckontros> We /thought/ we had this strait years ago but apparently we didnt.
[17:08] <mquin> I'll see what I can do
[17:09] <jussi> thanks!
[17:11] <JuniperJaxx> jussi:
[17:11] <jussi> I know...
[17:11] <JuniperJaxx> jussi: i added them the first time you contacted me on fb but you told me "f" instead of "F"
[17:11] <JuniperJaxx> h
[17:11] <JuniperJaxx> oh
[17:11] <JuniperJaxx> changing
[17:11] <JuniperJaxx> lol
[17:12] <ckontros> He messed up. :P
[17:12] <jussi> Yeah, I screwed up :D
[17:12] <JuniperJaxx> ok
[17:12] <JuniperJaxx> new thing now
[17:12] <JuniperJaxx> 12:12:42 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- UbuntuIrcCouncil has too many channels registered.
[17:13] <JuniperJaxx> you need to get a flag set so you can register more
[17:13] <jussi> JuniperJaxx: could you please just ask mquin to action that?
[17:13] <JuniperJaxx> mquin: hello
[17:14] <JuniperJaxx> mquin: can you override that? otherwise i cannot pass on founder access
[17:15] <jussi> JuniperJaxx: pleae mention it s for both here and #ubuntustudio
[17:15] <JuniperJaxx> mquin: these flags need to be set:
[17:15] <JuniperJaxx> flags #ubuntustudio UbuntuIrcCouncil +F
[17:15] <JuniperJaxx> flags #ubuntustudio-devel UbuntuIrcCouncil +F
[17:16] <jussi> JuniperJaxx: thanks
[17:16] <JuniperJaxx> yeap
[17:16] <JuniperJaxx> you are most welcome
[17:16] <jussi> JuniperJaxx: are you the group contact?
[17:17] <JuniperJaxx> group contact?
[17:18] <jussi> JuniperJaxx: did you register #ubuntustudio-* with freenode?
[17:19] <jussi> ie. fill in the form on the freenode website
[17:20] <JuniperJaxx> i do not remember
[17:20] <JuniperJaxx> i have gone through that process before
[17:20] <JuniperJaxx> i just do not remember if i did it for ubuntustudio as well
[17:20] <jussi> right.
[17:21] <JuniperJaxx> i do not think we did
[17:21] <jussi> anyway, this should now sort it. if we need more, Ill email or pm you
[17:21] <JuniperJaxx> if i did do it it would have been under Mubuntu
[17:21] <JuniperJaxx> yeap sure thing
[17:21] <mquin> JuniperJaxx, jussi: I've peformed those flag changes
[17:21] <jussi> thanks once again
[17:21] <JuniperJaxx> mquin: thanks :D
[17:21] <JuniperJaxx> jussi: let me know if you need anytihng else
[17:22] <jussi> mquin: could you confirm to us the group contact?
[17:26] <mquin> jussi: I've asked the GRF team to look into it
[17:26] <jussi> mquin: excellent. thanks
[19:28] <defuego> Just posted - here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9510315#post9510315
[19:29] <defuego> Jwm
[19:30] <defuego> LOL trying to keep it short ; - )
[19:32] <defuego> Check it out - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9510315#post9510315
[19:32] <defuego> & any remarks ??
[22:27] <defuego> hi falktx - that was my post as jwmislan http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9510315#post9510315 - I read your post about #ubuntustudio-devel so I thought I would try a visit.
[22:27] <falktx> hi defuego
[22:27] <falktx> defuego: what's up?
[22:28] <defuego> hi falktx - I'm just chillin out mostly today
[22:29] <falktx> defuego: i have my own channel now - #kxstudio
[22:31] <defuego> ok I'm following this nvidia status now - so I'll check in there too - anything going on in there now ?
[22:31] <falktx> not really
[22:32] <falktx> only some minor discussion about wine+rt schedulling
[22:32] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=12
[22:32] <falktx> i'm preparing the wine package
[22:32] <falktx> then i'll have to update festige too
[22:33] <defuego> when I log in to chat next time , I'll watch both this and that for any action
[22:33] <defuego> what's festage ? sounds familliar
[22:34] <falktx> it's a gui for fst
[22:34] <falktx> made my me
[22:35] <defuego> what does it do
[22:36] <falktx> fst loads windows vst plugins as native standalone apps
[22:37] <defuego> oh K I have Reaper - couple of projects using vst's
[22:38] <defuego> been wanting to get more into ardour lately though
[22:39] <falktx> defuego: i have ardour compiled with windows-vst support
[22:40] <defuego> thing is that I'm afraid to go with too many ppa's - before I follow them to see if they put out too many updates
[22:41] <defuego> I would like new ardour with the vst feature though
[22:41] <defuego> I would like the new ardour with the vst feature though
[22:43] <falktx> defuego: just download the deb for it
[22:44] <falktx> defuego: no need for the full ppa
[22:44] <falktx> i agree that many ppas is a bad thing
[22:46] <defuego> I'm following you on the studio forum - thanks for your efforts with this stuff - I'll take you up on that I
[22:46] <falktx> hehe, my ppa has 8gb limit now
[22:46] <falktx> 50% full...
[22:48] <defuego> I enabled bojo's ppa to get the 2.6.33-3-rt - then got an update to 2.6.33-4-rt compiled with the patched nvidia and am using it now.
[22:49] <falktx> defuego: the update is from my ppa
[22:50] <defuego> was a few weeks ago that I enabled that ppa so may be I shoulr reread some of the earlier posts on the thread
[22:51] <defuego> what's the name of your ppa
[22:52] <falktx> ppa:falk-t-j/lucid
[22:52] <falktx> also ppa:falk-t-j/lucid-latest
[22:53] <defuego> trying to remember where I got bojo's ppa - probably earlier in the thread
[22:56] <defuego> cool - i'll check them out later
[23:04] <defuego> do you thing there will have to be many updates to a real time kernel from your ppa , or will things settle somewhat to one decent version ? - with hardy studio I had one 2.6.22.-rt kernel running fine for two years -
[23:13] <falktx> the 2.6.31 is now final, no more updates for it
[23:15] <falktx> for the rest, i dont know
[23:17] <defuego> you have the 2.6.33
[23:18] <defuego> ?
[23:20] <defuego> that would be the final rt kernel version in lucid for me I suppose
[23:26] <falktx> yep
[23:26] <falktx> i'll get 2.6.35 when is final
[23:27] <defuego> will these work with the ubuntu 2.6.32 series though  ?
[23:32] <ScottL> it is the proprietary drivers for nvidia that people have trouble with isn't it?  for the -rt kernel?
[23:33] <ScottL> falktx, isn't it the proprietary drivers for nvidia that people are having trouble with using the -rt kernel?
[23:34] <ScottL> falktx_, ^^^
[23:34] <falktx_> ScottL: yes, i fixed some issues on it
[23:34] <falktx_> ScottL: installing it on a realtime kernel, 2.6.33
[23:34] <falktx_> ScottL: but only the v256 drivers
[23:37] <ScottL> why do people choose to use the proprietary nvidia drivers?
[23:37] <ScottL> just so they can use the cube?
[23:37] <falktx> to have proper 3d
[23:37] <falktx> and 2d accel
[23:37] <falktx> scrolling a "ls" in a terminal is slow without prop drivers
[23:38] <ScottL> i think i turned off all effects or put it to minimal effects
[23:40] <defuego> bad graphs can slow you down when using daw and become a distracting annoyance
[23:40] <ScottL> there just seems to be so much trouble with the drivers and yet everyone seems to want them ALL
[23:40] <ScottL> but i wonder how much is really necessary and how much is that they want "flash" *shrug*
[23:42] <defuego> I like to be able to see youtube classical guitar stuff - sometimes practice with so flash is a must for me
[23:42] <defuego> but also I can turn off compiz if i want while doing studio work
[23:44] <defuego> for many the computer is for general purpose along with extra studio needs
[23:44] <ScottL> by "flash" i meant compiz, not flash player really
[23:45] <ScottL> and since compize seems to need proprietary dirvers it is problematic
[23:48] <defuego> yea I end having it off when i need less x-runs while using jack


[03:00] <arpu> thx for this https://launchpad.net/~chogydan/+archive/ppa/+packages
[03:00] <arpu> works greate
[03:00] <arpu> now i can use lucid to work :>
[03:57] <jk-> arpu: what didn't work previously?
[04:07] <arpu> jk-,  response time of the gui on file copy
[04:07] <arpu> or apt upgrade ...
[04:41] <mase_wk> hi guys, just wondering if there is a reason CONFIG_DMAR and CONFIG_INTR_REMAP is not set for the _server kernel in Lucid ?
[04:41] <mase_wk> according to http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/How_to_assign_devices_with_VT-d_in_KVM it's required for KVM PCI passthrough
[04:48] <jjohansen> mase_wk: no one has asked for it, I can added to the config review of M
[04:50] <mase_wk> jjohansen: well i think it was enabled in karmic. i performed an upgrade of a test system yesterday which uses PCI passthrough
[04:50] <mase_wk> and it seems PCI passthrough was supported / working in karmic.
[04:50] <mase_wk> so if this could be added it would be much appreciated
[04:51] <jjohansen> mase_wk: hrmm, I'll have to check on that but we didn't disable almost anything
[04:51] <mase_wk> hmm ok
[04:51] <mase_wk> thats interesting
[04:52] <jjohansen> mase_wk: I am unsure if it will get added to the Lucid kernel, we can look at SRUing it but no promises
[04:52] <mase_wk> SRU ?
[04:52] <jjohansen> stable release update
[04:52] <mase_wk> ah ok. well i dunno, maybe it's not required then. i am confused
[04:53] <mase_wk> see i'm getting the No IOMMU found
[04:53] <mase_wk> and i assumed it was because that config option was disabled in the kernel
[04:53] <mase_wk> since it was listed as required on the linux-kvm page
[04:54] <mase_wk> but if your saying that wasn't enabled in karmic either then maybe i'm hitting something else
[04:54] <mase_wk> since the PCI passthrough was working on karmic
[04:58] <mase_wk> jjohansen: do you know who the most appropriate person to talk to in the ubuntu virt team would be ? I should probably make sure that this is actually required before asking for it to be added to the config review.
[04:58] <jjohansen> mase_wk: kirkland knows the most about kvm
[04:58] <persia> It was set in karmic, it seems.
[04:59] <jjohansen> persia: interesting
[04:59] <mase_wk> persia: thanks for verifying that. I have upgraded all my test boxes so that saves me a reinstall at least
[04:59] <persia> I might be misreading the output of `grep -rin CONFIG_DMAR` though.
[05:00] <mase_wk> persia: is that for the -server kernel ?
[05:00] <persia> Seems to only be for x86_64 and ia64 though, not for i386.  Dunno why.
[05:00] <mase_wk> that makes sense i am using x86_64
[05:01] <jjohansen> persia: I am not seeing that
[05:01] <persia> Maybe I'm reading it wrong.  Maybe it's only enabled in ports.
[05:01] <mase_wk> persia: what do you mean by ports sorry ?
[05:01] <persia> I'm looking at the 2.6.31-21.59 source, but I'm not sure I'm reading it properly
[05:01] <persia> mase_wk: sparc/powerpc/ia64
[05:01] <mase_wk> ok , i understand now.
[05:02] <jjohansen> persia: I am looking at the configs right now for x86_64 karmic and the only one that is enabled is PCI Stub driver
[05:02] <jjohansen> the other 2 options are experimental and not enabled
[05:02] <persia> I'll trust your check more than mine :)
[05:03] <persia> maybe upstream kvm behaviour changed?
[05:03] <mase_wk> well my understanding was that they couldn't  / would never allow software iommu
[05:06] <mase_wk> jjohansen: the config you checked was that the -server kernel for x86_64 karmic ?
[05:09] <mase_wk> i guess i could create a lvm snapshot and install a kernel with it enabled and see if that works
[05:15] <jjohansen> mase_wk: yes, double and triple checked
[05:15] <jjohansen> mase_wk: yeah I would give that a try
[05:16] <mase_wk> k will do :)
[05:18] <mase_wk> i guess i could reinstall karmic just to make sure i'm not going completely mad
[06:43] <Laibsch> Can I build a Lucid Kernel on a Debian system (for testing only)?
[06:43] <Laibsch> or do I need a chroot on that Debian system?
[06:45] <persia> You'd be better off with a chroot, so you can install all the build-deps easily.  No reason you can't do it in Debian, but I'm not sure it's a well-tested path.
[06:47] <ikepanhc> yeah, and if your system need external kernel module, make sure it combiled with the same gcc and reasonable kernel header
[07:04] <Laibsch> I'll compile on the faster Debian machine natively now
[07:05] <Laibsch> I merely want to test a patch for a) compilability and b) functionality (things work as expected from the patch)
[07:05] <Laibsch> iF things break, I'll need to reconsider
[09:56] <ogasawara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[10:29] <ogasawara> amitk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelMaverickUbuntuDeltaReview
[10:29] <ogasawara> amitk: that has a list of patches (grouped by whom I thought was the owner) that I think should go upstream this cycle
[11:59]  * psurbhi breaks for lunch
[12:14] <cmug> Hi, 10.04 alternate does not work with my USB cddrive. What gives ?
[12:15] <cmug> Desktop and Server installed fine
[12:55] <Laibsch> Anybody I should subscribe to bug 521967 to make sure that patch now lands quickly?
[12:55] <ubot3> Malone bug 521967 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 "support for new atheros wifi chipset - AR2427/ath9k" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521967
[12:55] <Laibsch> tested both compilation and function on-device
[13:01] <fabbione> smb: btw.. i just remembered that there was already a bug related to the DVB HVR patch. but hell if i remember the number
[14:03] <amitk> hey all, we just started gardening our kernel wiki by creating a new namespace wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel and moving to a more activity-based wiki like wiki.ubuntu.com/X
[14:21] <JFo> tgardner, is there anything we need to do for bug 521967 or will it land in updates?
[14:21] <ubot3> Malone bug 521967 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 "support for new atheros wifi chipset - AR2427/ath9k" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521967
[14:53] <bjf> amitk, good for you, let us know how that works out for you :-)
[14:53] <JFo> heh
[14:53] <JFo> manjo, are you still doing suspend/resume stuff/
[14:53] <JFo> err?
[14:53] <JFo> if so bug 44058 looks to be for you
[14:54] <ubot3> Malone bug 44058 in gnome-power "suspend when closing laptop lid doesn't work" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44058
[14:54] <JFo> it is HP hardware
[14:54] <JFo> morning bjf
[14:54] <JFo> meant to say that first
[14:54] <JFo> <-brain still slow
[14:54] <bjf> moin JFo
[14:54] <JFo> coffee brewing as we speak
[15:00]  * psurbhi sees a function definition within a function definition in grub legacy code
[15:00] <amitk> bjf: I _started_ the page, I move to newcore next week :-p
[15:01] <bjf> amitk, figures
[15:02] <JFo> amitk, ship jumper :-P
[15:03] <JFo> I bet it is an action item for me :)
[15:03] <JFo> amitk, as pete what the rest of "Why be a buddy, when you can..." is ;0
[15:03] <amitk> JFo: hehe
[15:03] <JFo> heh
[15:04] <mjg59> psurbhi: That is, by far, not the worst thing about grub
[15:05] <amitk> JFo: no actions, just establishing the namespace. We'll leave the fixing to the newbies ;)
[15:05] <JFo> heh, either way :)
[15:05] <psurbhi> mjg59, thats inspiring to know
[15:05] <psurbhi> :)
[15:08] <bjf> amitk, we're referred to as "the little people"
[15:08]  * JFo has a pot o gold for ye
[15:09] <bjf> amitk, isn't there a somehands attendees page somewhere?
[15:12] <amitk> bjf: *shrug* us little people dunno
[15:13] <bjf> amitk, I thought the lead of the newcore kernel team would be going
[15:14] <tgardner> JFo, I thought I'd wait until Luis releases an official 2.6.34 compat-wireless before backporting t o Lucid.
[15:14] <JFo> cool
[15:15] <JFo> just wanted to check :)
[15:15] <JFo> thanks tgardner
[15:16] <tgardner> bjf, can you surf vger.kernel.org ?
[15:16] <bjf> tgardner, trying to catch a wave right now
[15:17] <bjf> tgardner, not looking good
[15:17] <bjf> tgardner, nope
[15:17] <tgardner> bjf, must be down. I've not received any LKML email in several hours
[15:18] <JFo> manjo, bug 540643 another HP S/R issue
[15:18] <ubot3> Malone bug 540643 in linux "[Hewlett-Packard HP Compaq 6910p (AK677US)] suspend/resume failure [non-free: hsfengine wl]" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540643
[15:19] <manjo> JFo, taking a look
[15:19] <JFo> cool, thanks man :)
[15:23] <kirkland> apw: what can you tell me about this stack trace: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46615447/kernel_stack_trace
[15:23] <kirkland> apw: 10.04 host, 10.04 guest
[15:24] <kirkland> apw: virtio networking
[15:24] <kirkland> apw: guest continues running, but networking is dead
[15:32] <manjo> kirkland, looks like you are runing out of swap ?
[15:32] <kirkland> manjo: oh?
[15:32] <kirkland> manjo: checks ...
[15:33] <apw> kirkland, looks like we tried to recv a packet, and were not prepared to fail the allocation
[15:33] <apw> i'd say i'd expect the allocation to be allowed to fail and the packet simply be dropped
[15:34] <apw> as it wasn't and tripped an oom i'd say its a bug
[15:34] <kirkland> apw: cool, filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/572368
[15:34] <ubot3> Malone bug 572368 in linux "virtio networking dies in KVM guest with kernel backtrace" [Undecided,New]
[15:35] <apw> kirkland, so is it reproducible?
[15:42] <apw> kirkland, be worth trying to reproduce and monitor /proc/slabinfo to see if we are leaking
[15:42] <kirkland> apw: i rebooted;  will post as soon as it happens again
[15:42] <kirkland> apw: will monitor that
[15:43] <apw> kirkland, thanks, let us know
[15:49] <JFo> this looks interesting: bug 571977
[15:49] <ubot3> Malone bug 571977 in linux "[Lucid] Possible race condition involving rtc wakealarm when hibernating a system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571977
[15:50]  * bjf heading to the airport, back on in a bit
[16:23]  * psurbhi quits for today...see u all on monday
[16:31] <JFo> tgardner, don't we have something for bug 521967 going in soon, or am I thinking of a different one?
[16:31] <ubot3> Malone bug 521967 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 "support for new atheros wifi chipset - AR2427/ath9k" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521967
[16:31] <JFo> heh
[16:31] <JFo> nevermind
[16:31] <JFo> that is a duplicate of the one from earlier
[16:31] <JFo> heh
[16:31] <JFo> <-brain needs more coffee
[16:56] <JFo> yet another interesting bug: bug 571807
[16:56] <ubot3> Malone bug 571807 in linux "Lucid fails to spin down hard-drive on shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571807
[16:56]  * jjohansen bets JFo is getting a deluge of interesting bugs
[16:57] <JFo> jjohansen would be absolutely right :)
[16:57] <JFo> most are actually coming in by way of people reassigning them from the ubuntu package
[16:58] <JFo> so they may have been filed, the reporter just didn't know the right package to assign
[17:01] <jjohansen> makes sense, its easier to file against
[17:04] <JFo> yeah
[17:04] <JFo> just sucks that by the time I get them they are stale
[17:05] <jjohansen> well you could triage all the ubuntu package bugs ;)
[17:12] <JFo> jjohansen, :-|
[17:14] <jjohansen> JFo: actually /me thinks it would make the problem worse as the sheer volume of bugs would make it so that on average you would find the kernel bugs even later
[17:28] <manjo> JFo, the previous hibernate bug seems to be either NOT a bug or a bug in pm scripts
[17:28] <manjo> I added a comment there
[17:29] <JFo> cool, thanks manjo :)
[17:29] <JFo> nice recovery attempt jjohansen, but the suggestion is like a genie once it is out of the bottle. ;-)
[17:30] <JFo> you know what happens when you make suggestions like that? God kills a kitten :-P
[17:30] <JFo> j/k
[17:31] <manjo> JFo, you should mark 571807 invalid.. there is not any information in that bug to support his claim
[17:31]  * jjohansen will have to do penance and buy JFo a beer
[17:31] <JFo> jjohansen, I can live with that :-)
[17:32] <JFo> manjo, looking
[17:34] <manjo> say you are marking invalid coz there is no data in the bug to support the claim. either use ubuntu-bug to attach the logfiles
[17:34] <JFo> I just asked him for more info
[17:35] <manjo> there are possibly hundreds of aspire ones and no one has reported data failure
[17:36] <JFo> or odd spin down issues
[17:36] <JFo> but we will see what is said
[17:37] <sbeattie> jjohansen: your penance is to triage bugs against no package with hints: http://people.canonical.com/~brian/reports/no-package-clues.html :-)
[17:37] <JFo> sbeattie, :-)
[17:38] <manjo> JFo, https://launchpad.net/bugs/44058 is from 4yrs ago ?
[17:38] <ubot3> Malone bug 44058 in gnome-power "suspend when closing laptop lid doesn't work" [Unknown,In progress]
[17:39] <JFo> manjo, yep, but they have provided info from Lucid also
[17:39] <JFo> same issue, they are telling me
[17:41] <manjo> JFo, I think I have a HP 5101 let me check...
[17:41] <JFo> manjo, ok
[17:41] <JFo> could be an artifact left over from upgrade, but there are several people affected
[17:42] <jjohansen> sbeattie: argg, no!!!!
[17:43] <manjo> JFo, could be a regression in gnome-power-manager
[17:43] <manjo> checking
[17:43] <JFo> manjo, k
[17:43] <JFo> jjohansen, ;P
[17:46] <manjo> JFo, looks like its a valid gnome-power-management bug
[17:47] <JFo> manjo, I see
[17:47] <JFo> do you have a link to a g-p-m bug?
[17:47] <JFo> or just in looking through the bug itself?
[17:48] <jjohansen> sigh, you would hope after 4 years it would have been fixed
[17:49] <JFo> jjohansen, you know as well as I, things fall through the cracks :-/
[17:49] <JFo> as much as we hate for them to
[17:50] <JFo> man, this hammock was money well spent :)
[17:50] <jjohansen> s/cracks/crevices/
[17:50] <JFo> yeah
[17:52] <manjo> JFo, not a kernel bug
[17:53] <JFo> manjo, cool
[17:53] <JFo> so I need to set it to g-p-m/
[17:53] <manjo> JFo, probably it is already
[17:54] <JFo> wow, so it is
[17:54] <JFo> so the kernel task is invalid?
[17:55] <manjo> yep we could call it that
[17:58] <JFo> k
[18:02] <JFo> marked as such
[18:09] <bigcx2> hey all
[18:09] <bigcx2> i have a question about using make-kpkg
[18:09] <bigcx2> if i do something like make-kpkg --append-to-version some-foo
[18:09] <bigcx2> that string gets duplicated in the resultant deb that gets created, e.g:
[18:10] <bigcx2> linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-some-foo_<IP_ADDRESS>-some-foo-10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[18:10] <bigcx2> how do i get rid of that duplication and get rid of the "10.00.Custom_i386" string at the end
[18:24] <kro> hi
[18:24] <kro> got a question
[18:24] <kro> I want to use lucid... but plymouth doesn't seem to be compatible with my kernel, it dies on boot-up
[18:25] <kro> it's generic non-modular kernel optimised for headless usage.
[18:26] <kro> now the question: what does plymouth NEED? So far I tried adding support for framebuffer (VESA), DRM, AGP, ... but doesn't seem to be it
[18:26] <bigcx2> kro: do you need a splash screen?
[18:27] <kro> no
[18:28] <bigcx2> try taking the "splash" option out of your grub menu.lst and see what happens
[18:28] <kro> it's for dedicated servers... so the output is not needed except some debugging stuff
[18:28] <kro> yes, did that already...
[18:29] <bigcx2> and nothing?
[18:29] <kro> replaced it by "debug"
[18:29] <kro> http://demo.ovh.com/view/9aa6de29af7a198cac0e9a675c78f23f/0   screenshot of the KVM console
[18:30] <kro> I added "--debug" to the /etc/init/plymouth* files
[18:30] <kro> but doesn't really bring me further
[18:30] <bjf> ?
[18:31] <kro> bjf: init: plymoth main process (1421) killed by SEGV signal
[18:31] <kro> init: plymouth-splash main process (2275) terminated with status 2
[18:32] <Sarvatt> bigcx2: check out /etc/kernel-pkg.conf
[18:32] <bjf> kro, the '?' was a typo in the wrong window :-)
[18:32] <kro> bjf: :)
[18:33] <bigcx2> Sarvatt: aha! thanks
[18:34] <bigcx2> can these be set via environment variables?
[18:34] <bigcx2> before running?
[18:34] <bigcx2> or just in the conf, and debian/rules
[18:36] <bigcx2> kro: perhaps this applies to your problem? http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5522&sid=6a540b7bab2c42cebcddb265752594e6
[18:37] <kro> thx, but already tried that too :-)
[18:38] <bigcx2> kro: ok sorry, that was my best shot
[18:38] <bigcx2> kro: i'm not a kernel dev, just camping out
[18:38] <kro> I'm stuck since nearly two days now, so I hit the google bookmark quite a lot :-)
[18:38] <bigcx2> :)
[18:38] <bigcx2> heh
[18:40]  * JFo does a long overdue git fetch on his kernel sources
[18:40] <JFo> apparently very long overdue
[18:49] <kro> how about the "ply_terminal_open:terminal /dev/tty7 is already open" message - is this the fatal one?
[18:55] <bigcx2> kro: probably a good guess
[18:56] <bigcx2> kro: but then again here's a log of somebody having that exact same error, but w/o failure
[18:57] <bigcx2> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/no_splash_for_you.log
[19:00] <kro> yeah... that shouldn't be the cause for such an ungraceful exit...
[19:00] <bigcx2> kro: is this your own kernel, or a stock one
[19:01] <kro> "my" kernel (our company kernel)
[19:01] <bigcx2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/571258
[19:01] <ubot3> Malone bug 571258 in plymouth "plymouth main process (341) killed by SEGV signal" [Undecided,New]
[19:02] <kro> [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810   <== my log stops before that line... maybe I should look in that direction
[19:02] <kro> bigcx2: thx, didn't see that one yet :)
[19:03] <bigcx2> np
[19:42] <mvk> is that 3d support of the built-in kernel module for radeon buggy?
[19:51] <mvk> lets see if i can trick this radeon driver into panicing again
[20:34] <mdz> can anyone recommend a USB wifi dongle which is well supported?
[20:38] <Dandel> mdz, look for edimax EW-7717Un wifi adapter, the drivers should be included in 10.04 since 9.10 also has the driver.
[20:39] <mdz> Dandel, thanks for the suggestion, looking at it
[20:40] <mdz> seems to have very bad reviews on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315081&Tpk=EW-7717Un
[20:41] <Dandel> people on newegg can and will give a bad review because a printer "seems" to have 6 cartridges, when it's really 4 cartridges and a pair of print heads.
[20:41] <Dandel> same rule of thumb applies to usb devices
[20:41] <mdz> Dandel, true, it's not always reliable. these are "stopped working after 2 months" kind of reviews though
[20:42] <mdz> another one I'm looking at is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127244&cm_re=usb_wifi_adapter-_-33-127-244-_-Product
[20:42] <mdz> which looks like it should be supported by rt2870sta
[20:43] <mdz> but then there's bug 507375
[20:43] <ubot3> Malone bug 507375 in linux "Wireless DLINK Adapter DWA-140 not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507375
[20:43] <mdz> seems to be one of those devices which has different revs, indistinguishable before purchase
[20:45] <Dandel> look at the  EDIMAX EW-7718Un device then.
[20:46] <Dandel> that uses the RT2870 chipset.
[20:47] <mdz> Dandel, I think I will, thanks
[20:47] <Dandel> anyways, i never trust newegg reviews until the device has 300+
[20:48] <mdz> Dandel, have you tried 802.11n? WPA2?
[20:48] <Dandel> 802.11g using madwifi tho.
[20:48] <Dandel> no, but the router i have is 802.11n with wpa2.
[20:49] <Dandel> and yes, i'm using wpa2 right now.
[20:50] <mdz> Dandel, madwifi? I thought it was an rt2870?
[20:50] <Dandel> no, that's what i am using right now.
[20:51] <Dandel> My laptop wifi card  is the atheros AR5001.
[20:51] <mdz> Dandel, oh, I was wondering if you'd had success with WPA2 with the adapter you were recommending
[20:52] <mdz> the edimax
[20:52] <Dandel> haven't checked.
[20:52] <Dandel> since the devices uses the rt2870sta chipset you can go to realtek's website and find out for sure.
[20:53] <Dandel> oops... rt2870 is ralink
[20:55] <mdz> yes, confusing that
[20:58] <Dandel> the ralink driver that is proprietary does support wpa2 from what i am reading.
[20:59] <Dandel> oh and the rt2770 v<IP_ADDRESS> does appear to fall under the gpl license.
[22:43] <kamalm> Advice?... My "fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic" is failing at the final packaging step with:
[22:43] <kamalm>   dpkg-deb - error: (upstream) version (`unknown') doesn't contain any digits
[22:43] <kamalm> What might I have done to get into this state and how might I get out of it?
[22:50] <crimsun> mdz: certainly anything atheros ar9285-based is rock-solid IME
[22:51] <crimsun> kamalm: interesting; that implies something is fubar in debian/changelog
[22:51] <kamalm> crimsun: its certainly possible that I've fu'd it bar -- but I think this is what I usually do...
[22:51] <kamalm>   linux (2.6.32-21.33~kamal~dell_155x_bri) lucid; urgency=low
[22:54] <crimsun> nah, that seems fine, but something is overriding it
[22:54] <crimsun> i.e., it becomes unknown-foo at some point, which is odd
[22:57] <jjohansen> kamalm: hrmm, I have hit that before I trying to remember what caused it
[22:57] <kamalm> hmmm.  I just changed it to   linux (2.6.32-21.33~kamal) lucid; urgency=low    and it worked -- sort of ...
[22:57] <kamalm> It built these .debs:
[22:57] <kamalm> linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic_2.6.32-21.33~kamal_amd64.deb
[22:57] <kamalm> linux-image-2.6.32-21-generic_2.6.32-21.33~kamal_amd64.deb
[22:58] <jjohansen> kamalm: okay what is wrong with those?
[22:58] <kamalm> I think bigcx2 was asking about this same issue -- the version numbers seem unusually "redundant" there.
[22:59] <kamalm> no, I take it back -- i guess that's "normal".
[23:00] <jjohansen> yeah
[23:01] <kamalm> I still don't know what's wrong with my original version string -- I've used that same pattern  (~kamal~foo_bar_bing) successfully before.
[23:02] <jjohansen> hrmm, no idea unfortunately
[23:04] <kamalm> ok, anyway -- I'm unstuck -- thanks for the help folks :-)


[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:01] <shadeslayer_> hey ho
[09:17] <sitter> お早う
[09:19] <shadeslayer_> you're really learning japenese? :P
[09:19] <shadeslayer_> Instead of Spanish
[09:19] <sitter> いいえ
[09:20] <sitter> although I will say that spanish appears too useful
[09:20] <sitter> can't have me doing useful things now can I
[09:21] <shadeslayer_> TT
[09:21] <shadeslayer_> ^^
[09:22] <valorie> define useful
[09:22] <valorie> also happy new year, everyone
[09:23] <shadeslayer_> Feliz Año :D
[09:24] <shadeslayer_> valorie: well, spanish has ~2.5 times the number of native speakers than Hindi
[09:24] <sitter> valorie: something one could use more than in the fancy situation one actually meets someone else who speaks japanese
[09:24] <valorie> I spent new year's with Albert this year
[09:24] <sitter> yah spanish is massive
[09:24] <shadeslayer_> so with English + Hindi + English
[09:24] <valorie> he's a native Catalan speaker though
[09:24] <shadeslayer_> I'll be able to speak to a vast majority of people
[09:24] <valorie> only learned spanish in school
[09:25] <valorie> yes, I wish I had spanish
[09:25] <valorie> about 1/4 of the US speaks it as a first or second language
[09:25] <shadeslayer_> Well, I'm sure I can manage with English in the US :P
[09:25] <valorie> in spite of all the anti-immigrant sentiment around these days
[09:26] <sitter> Riddell: ping
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> sitter: FWIW bank holiday in Spain, he might not be coming in
[09:26] <sitter> shadeslayer_: that's brave of you to say
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> sitter: hah :D
[09:26] <sitter> shadeslayer_: same here, he's holding kci hostage though
[09:26] <valorie> lots of Japanese around Puget Sound, but not a lot of native speakers any more
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> sitter: oh, 3 kings parade day ? :D
[09:27] <sitter> yep
[09:27] <sitter> well
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> They shoot candy out of canons today
[09:27] <sitter> 3 bottles of rum parade
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> heh
[09:27] <sitter> it's an austria thing
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> right
[09:27] <sitter> lol
[09:27] <sitter> in austria it's really just a drinking day
[09:27] <valorie> this is really the day for presents,
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> so ... every holiday
[09:27] <sitter> there's no particular celebration associated with it or anything
[09:28] <valorie> but they're all given
[09:28] <shadeslayer_> valorie: heh :D
[09:28] <sitter> true
[09:29] <valorie> gold, frankincense and mryhh and all that jazz
[09:29] <sitter> the good stuff
[09:29]  * sitter broke releaseme
[09:30] <sitter> shadeslayer_: I think you should adopt releaseme as a pet project, it suffers greatly from the fact that I wrote most of the code when I started out with ruby -.-
[09:30] <shadeslayer_> so basically, it'll be in the same state as it has been?
[09:30] <shadeslayer_> since I've just started out with ruby
[09:31] <sitter> no, because now I am around to write tests ^^
[09:31] <shadeslayer_> :D
[09:31] <sitter> there's a bad design flaw somewhere though
[09:31] <sitter> tarme contains logic it should't
[09:31] <sitter> needs a factory somewhere ^^
[09:35] <shadeslayer_> gah, shit's failing
[09:35] <shadeslayer_> ahh
[09:35] <sitter> what u do?
[09:38] <shadeslayer_> sitter: ecm was outdated
[09:38] <shadeslayer_> well
[09:39] <sitter> where? in staging?
[09:39] <sitter> eh, ninjas
[09:39] <shadeslayer_> what no, I'm talking about dci
[09:39] <sitter> lol
[09:39] <sitter> context!
[09:39] <shadeslayer_> :P
[09:39] <shadeslayer_> 00:10:28.999 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: extra-cmake-modules (>= 1.6.0)
[09:39] <sitter> fun
[09:40] <sitter> tell me if everything builds then I'll send an angry mail to Riddell about holding kci hostage for no good reason :P
[09:40] <shadeslayer_> I have 37 failing jobs, retrying is going to take all day probably :/
[09:41] <shadeslayer_> sitter: why is KCI hostage?
[09:41] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_pause_integration/
[09:41] <sitter> nu job
[09:41] <sitter> see backlog from #kubuntu-ci yesterday
[09:49] <shadeslayer_> ah neato
[09:51] <shadeslayer_> sitter: why can't you just kill the job? :P
[09:52] <sitter> shadeslayer_: Riddell is responsible
[09:52] <shadeslayer_> I see
[09:52] <shadeslayer_> still seems a bit silly
[09:52] <shadeslayer_> when you can just kill it yourself
[09:57] <sitter> shadeslayer_: the point is that I don't know if it can be killed
[09:57] <sitter> so by killing it I can turn all of kci red
[09:57] <sitter> so yeah, not gonna do it
[09:58] <shadeslayer_> mmmh
[10:13] <soee> in KDE is it possible to have widnow buttons and the menu in one line (window decoration) ?
[10:15] <shadeslayer_> nope
[10:16] <shadeslayer_> I usually nuke the menu in most of the apps I use anyway
[10:17] <shadeslayer_> don't need them menus
[10:18] <soee> true, but how eos doing it in some apps is just cool
[10:19] <Riddell> sitter: hola, what's up?
[10:20] <sitter> Riddell: kci still paused
[10:20] <sitter> is that intentional?
[10:20] <shadeslayer_> sitter: Riddell dh_install: usr/share/man/man1/preparetips5.1 exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[10:20] <shadeslayer_> from kconfigwidgets
[10:20] <sitter> and if so can we get that fixed?
[10:20] <sitter> shadeslayer_: manpages are mangled to .gz which makes not-installed fail
[10:20] <Riddell> sitter: I didn't touch it!
[10:20] <sitter> could also be CI refusing to install though
[10:20] <sitter> Riddell: exactly
[10:21] <sitter> you are supposed to unpause it
[10:21] <Riddell> I didn't pause it!
[10:21] <sitter> you are the one doing initial upload though
[10:21] <shadeslayer_> mind putting that in not installed?
[10:21] <sitter> no one but you will know when it is good to unpause
[10:21] <sitter> shadeslayer_: I am not doing packaging today
[10:22] <sitter> besides
[10:22] <shadeslayer_> okay
[10:22] <sitter> not-installed should be fixed
[10:22] <sitter> alas, my shell parser failed and I did not understand a word of what the code said
[10:22] <sitter> it looks very hard to do without fixing the code to not be shit though
[10:22] <shadeslayer_> hmm
[10:23] <shadeslayer_> I possibly need to implement file locking
[10:23] <sitter> it's basically a long line of pipe
[10:23] <shadeslayer_> sitter: are file writes atomic in ruby?
[10:23] <sitter> shadeslayer_: what is an atomic file write?
[10:23] <shadeslayer_> sitter: if 2 writers open a file, they make sure they don't interfere with each other?
[10:24] <sitter> no, maybe, that's a platform thing really
[10:24] <sitter> so ultimatley it will probably depend on the file system
[10:24] <shadeslayer_> ah well, better to just flock it then
[10:24] <sitter> I think(tm) on linux if you open a file writable you are blocked until no one else has it open writable
[10:25] <sitter> might be that this is only on a per-process  level
[10:26] <sitter> been a while since I looked at posix specs xD
[10:28] <Riddell> sitter: so shall I kill the job at http://kci.pangea.pub/view/mgmt/job/mgmt_pause_integration/ ?
[10:30] <sitter> Riddell: if you are done, yes
[10:54] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: sitter does kpackage build on your CI?
[10:56] <shadeslayer_> apparently git doesn't contain the man page?
[10:57] <Riddell> or translations
[10:57] <Riddell> thus the red http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.6.0_vivid.html
[11:00] <shadeslayer_> well, it contains the man page clearly
[11:01] <shadeslayer_> usr/share/man/man1/kpackagetool
[11:02] <shadeslayer_> sitter: ^^ thoughts? kpackage git doesn't apparently install the man page 0.o
[11:30] <Riddell> sitter: ping?
[11:54] <sitter> shadeslayer_: changed
[11:55] <sitter> Riddell: pong
[11:58] <Riddell> sitter: just pinging about ci builds which you say will happen now magically
[11:58] <Riddell> sitter: has unstable-daily moved from vivid to utopic?
[11:58] <sitter> unstable-daily always was utopic
[11:58] <sitter> we are not snapshotting vivid
[11:58] <Riddell> where do the vivid packages come from?
[11:58] <shadeslayer_> sitter: changed what?
[12:01] <sitter> it changed
[12:02] <sitter> Riddell: for what where when context?
[12:02] <Riddell> sitter: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages has vivid and utopic packages, where do the vivid ones come from if not through ustable-daily?
[12:03] <shadeslayer_> sitter: context?
[12:06] <sitter> shadeslayer_: manpage path changed
[12:07] <sitter> what is this? harald explains the meaning to life and everything?
[12:07] <sitter> Riddell: unstable -promotes> unstable-daily -promotes> unstable-weekly
[12:08] <sitter> Riddell: do you have time to do a bit of a plasma relasma release test run?
[12:09] <shadeslayer_> sitter: don't see the change on projects.kde.org or git.debian.org
[12:09] <sitter> I have a major refactoring to the project xml resolver that previously wasn't test covered so I cannot be sure it won't break something
[12:12] <Riddell> sitter: changes to releaseme?
[12:13] <Riddell> I hope it makes svn checkout faster? cos that would be the best
[12:13] <Riddell> or that it puts the tars into a different directory than the releaeme script, that would be the best too
[12:14] <sitter> nope, makes frameworks releasing work
[12:15] <sitter> Riddell: the tar one is easy though, simply run it from a different directory? :P
[12:16] <Riddell> oh really?
[12:16] <Riddell> anyway sure how can I test it?
[12:19] <sitter> Riddell: simply run your scripty and check that everything looks semi-correct
[12:19] <sitter> most importantly that you get all tars you want
[12:19] <shadeslayer_> sitter: kio is broken
[12:19] <shadeslayer_> http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/job/kio_binary_unstable/9/console
[12:19] <sitter> *shrug*
[12:20] <Riddell> missing a private symbol, I can fix that https://launchpadlibrarian.net/194151149/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.kio_5.6.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:22] <shadeslayer_> cool
[12:22] <shadeslayer_> it's weird that c++filt can't actually filter that symbol
[12:35] <soee> where can i check QT 5.4 status for ubuntu ?
[12:53] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[12:53] <soee> hiho BluesKaj_
[12:54] <BluesKaj_> hey soee
[14:05] <sgclark> morning
[14:07] <Riddell> hi sgclark, what are you up to this Epiphany?
[14:10] <sgclark> working on my sok project, how is it going here?
[14:13] <Riddell> what's the timetable for sok?
[14:14] <Riddell> ah yes to Jan 31, 2015
[14:14] <sgclark> right
[14:16] <Riddell> and I'm just working out what should go into Plasma 5.2
[14:17] <sgclark> nice :)
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Hi Riddell sgclark , any timeline for plasma 5 alpha2 ?
[14:24] <Riddell> BluesKaj: jan 22 for vivid alpha 2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Riddell, does that include improvements for the plasma 5 desktop ?
[14:28] <Riddell> um, I guess so, it's 1 month better
[14:28] <Riddell> will probably have plasma 5.2 beta in it
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell , good news then , thanks
[16:35] <Riddell> yofel: git-buildpackage-ppa continues to disappoint me, not only can it not find the .orig in .. it can't find it in apt-get source either
[16:35] <Riddell> oh come back bzr-buildpackage all is forgiven!
[16:37] <sitter> oh the whining
[16:38] <sitter> it's like 5 lines of code that need writing
[16:38] <shadeslayer> whats wrong
[16:38] <Riddell> my epiphany is being ruined by having to manually move .orig files
[16:39] <Riddell> where are the magic kings now?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> it's not like you actually observe epiphany
[16:39] <shadeslayer> being a quaker and all
[16:39] <Riddell> says the heathen who didn't even come and watch the parade dance into town!
[16:40] <shadeslayer> I was sick! And I watched it last year!
[16:40] <shadeslayer> it was alright, candy being shot out of cannons was the best part
[16:41] <Riddell> the number of adults with buckets to collect the sweeties was weird
[16:41] <Riddell> children I expect but adults?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> not really, I regret not taking one last year
[16:41] <shadeslayer> but that was because I had no clue they were going to do that
[16:41] <yofel> Riddell: the .. thing isn't hard to fix, apt-get was a bzr feature really
[16:41] <shadeslayer> this year I was sick
[16:41] <Riddell> there's plenty sweeties in the office
[16:41] <Riddell> nim got loads for christmas
[16:42] <shadeslayer> mmmmm
[16:42] <Riddell> oh d_ed I think there's an irn bru in the fridge for you as a christmas present from last year
[16:42] <jose> cookies?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> COOKIES!
[16:43] <Riddell> no cookies but there is some shortbread
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nom nom nom
[16:43] <Riddell> which is even better and comes wrapped in tartan
[16:43] <jose> oh man, I just remembered the freshly-baked danish bread at UDS-R
[16:43] <jose> it was so awesome
[17:11] <d_ed> you gave me one before I left
[17:11] <d_ed> it was just you, me and Aleix
[17:14] <Riddell> hmm I wonder who's it was then
[17:14] <Riddell> oh well, spare one for tomorrow
[18:50] <rberg-> a/part
[18:50] <rberg-> doh
[18:51] <soee> ;o
[19:06] <Riddell> aww, come back rberg
[19:25]  * Riddell uploads kf5 5.6 to vivid
[19:34] <soee> :O


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