[00:46] <mrafcho001> I'm having an issue with the python-qt4 package. It wont install due to dependency on sip-api-8.1, which seems to be some kind of a virtual package provided by python-sip... which is already installed. Does anyone know whats going on?
[00:50] <sbivol> mrafcho001: which Kubuntu version and PyQt4 version?
[00:51] <mrafcho001> Kubuntu 12.10 and the package is python-qt4 (4.9.3-4)
[00:51] <ovidiu-florin> mrafcho001: do you get an error on apt-get update ?
[00:52] <mrafcho001> ovidiu-florin: I do not
[00:52] <sbivol> mrafcho001: I have the same setup as you, with python-sip 4.13.3-2
[00:53] <mrafcho001> I have same version installed as well
[00:54] <sbivol> if you haven't forced any package installation, there should be no problem at all
[00:54] <ovidiu-florin> in case you have a dependency problem try apt-get -f install
[00:55] <ovidiu-florin> it shoul install any missing dependencies
[00:55] <mrafcho001> On a closer look I see I have version 4.14-5~exp1... hmm
[00:56] <sbivol> mrafcho001: maybe you used some PPA to install a newer version of the package
[00:57] <mrafcho001> How can I tell which PPA is the origin of the package?
[00:59] <yofel> mrafcho001: apt-cache policy <package>
[01:01] <sbivol> yofel: nice!
[01:01] <mrafcho001> oh how interesting, I think the software I'm trying to install (Calibre) is the one thats breaking everything, since the 4.14-5~exp1 package originates from there, yet it breaks python-qt4 which is required by Calibre.
[01:02] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I should remember that command :D thank's
[01:02] <ovidiu-florin> mrafcho001: how are you installing calibre?
[01:03] <mrafcho001> ovidiu-florin: PPA... ppa:n-muench/calibre
[01:03] <yofel> mrafcho001: tell the PPA owner that he can't just backport SIP, he needs to rebuild everything that uses it
[01:04] <mrafcho001> yofel: meanwhile, any way to remove all packages from that PPA?
[01:04] <yofel> (which IIRC is only python-qt)
[01:04] <yofel> ppa-purge can do that
[01:04] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: can you give an example of that command?
[01:05] <yofel> uh, I think it's just ppa-purge ppa:owner/ppa
[01:05] <yofel> haven't used it in a long time
[01:06] <ovidiu-florin> and that restores all changed packages to the version they were before the ppa waas added?
[01:06] <ovidiu-florin> or removed?
[01:06] <ovidiu-florin> I mean removes the packages from that ppa?
[01:07] <yofel> "       This script provides a bash shell script capable of automatically downgrading all packages in a given PPA back to the ubuntu versions."
[01:08] <ovidiu-florin> what about the paackages that aren't in the ubuntu ppa's? and that were added from that ppa?
[01:09] <mrafcho001> yofel: I just tried, it and it did not downgrade my python-sip. I ended up manually purging it.
[01:09] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: I don't know
[01:09] <mrafcho001> more interestingly, it did not disable the PPA... I was able to install calibre  without re-adding the PPA
[01:10] <ovidiu-florin> calibre is in the official ubuntu repos
[01:10] <ovidiu-florin> or in the partner, I don't know exactly
[01:11] <mrafcho001> ovidiu-florin: Good catch!
[02:49] <mij> When I connect an external ntfs USB HD, at the very moment I open it with dolphin, the process "mount.ntfs" jumps to 100% IO usage according to "iotop". Is the whole drive being read? and how to avoid this? in ubuntu this problem did not happen with the same laptop / usb hd
[02:54] <mij> ok, turns out it was nepomuk!
[02:56] <KimLaroux> yeah, nepomuk can go crazy when connecting a USB drive
[07:06] <RadSurfer> Does anyone know how to clear the "authorization" data when trying to access a file-share folder?
[07:06] <RadSurfer> If you key in wrong thing, it doesn't seem to let you ERASE it...
[07:08] <gnomefreak> RadSurfer: change owner, but IIRC you need the paswrd to unlock it and change ownershio of file
[07:08] <RadSurfer> What file?
[07:08] <RadSurfer> I just want to delete/reset all data for that "authorization" dialog box for that particular file-share
[07:09] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:09] <RadSurfer> Using Dolphin to drag/drop files; but data that went into initial"Authorization" was all wrong
[07:09] <RadSurfer> now its hung up and won't work... so there must be a way to ERASE that wrong entrys
[07:11] <RadSurfer> Does anyone know what I'm talking about? & how to fix this?
[07:16] <user94202> how do i delete autologin and passwords for websites in Konqueror?
[07:16] <user94202> it keeps logging into ebay with my password. I want to delete that.
[07:48] <phoenix_firebrd> bookmarks shows up in the kmenu and krunner, how do i distable that
[07:52] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: right click the kmenu icon, click on Application Launcher Menu Settings, deselect the Bookmarks option. similar for krunner, click the settings icon on the far left, deselect Bookmarks
[07:57] <soapee01> anyone else seeing X go NUTS and warnings about lsb_release not found even though it exists. Especially X though at 100%?
[07:58] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: there is no such option as Application Launcher Menu Settings,  there is one called Application Launcher settings, but that doesn't contain options for bookmarks. The krunner solution works
[07:59] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: ah, you have the newfangled Launcher, I don't think you can stop it from searching bookmarks there (at least I don't know of one)
[07:59] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: 100% of what?
[08:00] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: oops, sorry i should have told you first, i am using kde 4.9.97
[08:01] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: yeah, but there are 2 launchers available and I use the "Classic Menu Style"
[08:02] <soapee01> phoenix_firebird. I have an 8 core 16gb machine that becomes unusable after 3 days. X goes nuts one one core.
[08:02] <tsimpson> like the old kmenu
[08:02] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: oh
[08:02] <soapee01> machine is alive via ssh phoneix_firebird; however graphics, not so much.
[08:02] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: kubuntu version?
[08:03] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: any particular reason why they removed this option
[08:03] <phoenix_firebrd> ?
[08:03] <soapee01> precise
[08:04] <soapee01> but honestly kde4 has been massively unstable for me
[08:04] <soapee01> kde 2 was much better and that was a piece of shit.
[08:04] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: using any propitiatory graphics driver?
[08:04] <soapee01> oh fuck all that of course
[08:04] <soapee01> this isn't 1999
[08:04] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: also is the cpu overclocked?
[08:05] <soapee01> no
[08:05] <soapee01> i never do
[08:05] <FloodBotK1> soapee01: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:05] <soapee01> I'm not flooding damn bot
[08:05] <soapee01> it's nvidia modest graphics
[08:05] <soapee01> let me lspci
[08:06] <soapee01> lspci | grep -i nvidia
[08:06] <soapee01> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)
[08:07] <soapee01> lsmod |grep nv
[08:07] <soapee01> nvidia              11283521  30
[08:07] <soapee01> it's not video though. it's CPU.
[08:07] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: do you know that we don't support proprietary stuff here
[08:08] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: proprietary driver could crash the xserver and that could lead to the cpu being high.
[08:08] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: I don't think it was removed, it just never existed
[08:09] <soapee01> phoenix_firebrd you know the proprietary drivers for nvidia are in the repos?
[08:09] <soapee01> and you know that's not my fucking problem?
[08:09] <soapee01> I've been using debian since potato.
[08:09] <soapee01> this didn't happen on lucid (kde) on the same machine.
[08:09] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: I am wondering how it could read my bookmarks from my chromium browser
[08:09] <soapee01> but ubuntu does so much weird shit
[08:09] <soapee01> on the desktop
[08:10] <soapee01> it makes it really hard to track shit down.
[08:10] <Tm_T> soapee01: please calm down and cut the cursing
[08:11] <soapee01> Tm_T I'm not upset honestly.
[08:11] <soapee01> it's just an issue, and I'm profane.
[08:11] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: during installation of the proprietary stuff you should have come across a leagal notice that says canonical doesn't support it
[08:12] <Ab3L> soapee01: i've logged in too late and have an nvidia. could you make me up to date? can you remember me what is your problem?
[08:13] <soapee01> phoenix_firebrd really?
[08:13] <soapee01> that is not my problem.
[08:13] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: it is simple, uninstall the propitiatory driver and check and if the x crashes
[08:13] <soapee01> honestly, if you don't know, don't offer advice phoenix_firebrd
[08:14] <soapee01> it's not a driver issue
[08:14] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: its Nvidia's problem , you should consult them
[08:14] <Tm_T> soapee01: cut the attitude please
[08:14] <soapee01> no, it isn't
[08:14] <soapee01> it's not how the software works.
[08:15] <soapee01> I see it on a laptop with nouvoue as well.
[08:15] <phoenix_firebrd> soapee01: If you had tested the system without the propitiatory driver and still the X crashes , then we can help you
[08:15] <soapee01> x isn't crashing.
[08:16] <soapee01> if it did, I'd have log files
[08:16] <soapee01> it just goes to 100% cpu (on one core)
[08:17] <soapee01> and it's irritating.  I have to restart precise every few days like I did windows 98.
[08:17] <soapee01> and I've been using Linux since 1999. This has been the most unstable release I've ever seen.
[08:19] <soapee01> I'm also fighting an install on an IBM server (so says my client), but I'll believe that when I get KVM access.
[08:26] <copacetic> The display settings application does not save my changes past a reboot, how can I make it do this?
[08:34] <soapee01> copacetic: idk for sure these days but it used to be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:43] <jussi> where do I find the actual files for the desktop backgrounds?
[09:53] <Peace-> jussi: ?
[09:53] <Peace-> you wanna know where are stored wallpapers ?
[09:53] <Peace-> locally or on the system
[10:02] <jussi> Peace-: I figured it, thanks
[10:03] <Peace-> jussi: ok
[10:08] <rork> one day someone will search for jussi's question and hit the irc logs hoping for an answer only to find out Jussi figgured it out...
[10:13] <jussi> rork: just because you lot are too slow :D
[10:14] <rork> it would be helpfull though if you could share the information ;)
[10:20] <jussi> I suppose: /usr/share/wallpapers
[10:20] <jussi> :)
[10:20] <Peace-> ~/.kde/share/wallpaper
[10:21] <Peace-> that is locally
[11:35] <monia> salve
[11:37] <monia> !list
[12:28] <rijack> for dual boot should i install windows or linux first?
[12:30] <lordievader> rijack: Windows first, Windows has the habit of overwriting Grub.
[12:31] <rijack> alright do i need to make part table before hand?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:31] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hi
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hi Peace-
[12:40] <sbivol> rijack: I usually install Win with it's boot and system partitions, then install Linux and partition the drive as I like
[12:41] <sbivol> rijack: but for my workflow, Windows in a virtual machine is more than enough
[12:57] <rijack> sbivol: thankyou
[13:34] <bartar3d> hi all
[13:34] <monkeyjuice> hello bartar3d
[13:34] <bartar3d> hey, monkeyjuice, how are you?
[13:35] <monkeyjuice> not to bad , keeping warm
[13:35] <bartar3d> :-), I try to
[13:36] <bartar3d> I've ran into some sort of an issue here, concerning mounting drives..
[13:37] <monkeyjuice> and what would that be
[13:38] <bartar3d> I've got my music collection on external drive, and even though the drive is auto-mounted on boot, no player seems to find it back, and I have to reselect the directory on each boot
[13:38] <bartar3d> same happens with callibre, when I start it, it seems not to be able to read the library, which also is on an external drive
[13:38] <bartar3d> they are mounted though
[13:38] <bartar3d> and accessible from dolphin
[13:42] <monkeyjuice> once you reselect it  then it works fine?
[13:42] <bartar3d> yep
[13:42] <monkeyjuice> hmmm a bit strange
[13:42] <BluesKaj> bartar3d, have you tried adding the drive to fstab or perhaps linking your external drive music folder to your /home/user dir
[13:42] <invariant> bartar3d, are you sure that's not a powersaving feature?
[13:42] <invariant> bartar3d, because mine does the same thing by design.
[13:43] <bartar3d> you mean, the powersaving feature invariant?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> bartar3d, ??
[13:44] <invariant> bartar3d, to test this, start a terminal, go to the right directory and do ls.
[13:44] <invariant> bartar3d, if it returns an answer immediately, then calibre should also work.
[13:45] <invariant> bartar3d, you can tell BluesKaj that he has me on ignore.
[13:45] <invariant> bartar3d, if it doesn't you know that while mounted, it's just in power-saving mode. (this is a hardware feature)
[13:46] <bartar3d> ok, BluesKaj, you seem to have invariant on ignore...
[13:46] <bartar3d> ok, well the drive does shut down automagically after the computer is shut down, but it does start again too when I start the computer
[13:47] <bartar3d> I didn't have this problem on 12.04
[13:47] <bartar3d> Now I'm on 12.10
[13:47] <invariant> bartar3d, can you answer the experiment I devised?
[13:48] <invariant> bartar3d, GUI programs can do all kinds of things to hide reality in their efforts to make it easier for the user (that never works)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> ok , bartar3d , I'll backoff
[13:49] <bartar3d> invariant, well, right now it does show up imediatly, but I'd better check after a reboot
[13:50] <invariant> bartar3d, it has nothing to do with a reboot.
[13:50] <invariant> bartar3d, it has to do with a lack of diskactivity.
[13:50] <invariant> bartar3d, if you don't write anything to it for a few hours, it will go in sleep mode.
[13:50] <bartar3d> hmm, and how to keep it active?
[13:51] <invariant> bartar3d, it's still mounted, but any response will take a longer time (30 seconds or so)
[13:51] <bartar3d> no, that's not the problem, I'm sure
[13:51] <bartar3d> they were were persistent
[13:51] <invariant> bartar3d, simple: you execute the command while sleep 300; do touch /mnt/foo/bar; done
[13:52] <invariant> bartar3d, unless your hardware is broken, this is simply how it works.
[13:52] <invariant> bartar3d, calibre is not going to behave anything different from other applications.
[13:53] <bartar3d> then the only reason for my hardware to break, would have been the upgrade, which sounds not quite reasonable
[13:53] <invariant> bartar3d, which is why it's not a likely hypothesis.
[13:53] <invariant> bartar3d, in short... just look at the problem for some time.
[13:54] <invariant> bartar3d, you will either provide evidence contradicting what I said or you will see that I was right.
[13:55] <bartar3d> ok, maybe it's right, it sounds logical, sleep-mode.. but it does take quite a bit longer to wake pu
[13:55] <bartar3d> *up
[13:56] <bartar3d> and it must have been activated by a change in default configuration between 12.04 and 12.10
[14:01] <BluesKaj> barbar , have you tried linking pertinent files to your ~/
[14:02] <bartar3d> No BluesKaj, with my new info, I'll first test things a little, and then try out other solutions, now I need to get some things done
[14:12] <BluesKaj> bartar3d, I added my external drive to fstab by finding the correct device with fdisk -l, then doing sudo blkid to copy the proper string to fstab like so ," UUID=34ab43d0-f91e-4c5e-8e61-c1ccc7306839 /media/External ext4    defaults        0       2 " ...without quotes of course
[14:22] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:30] <invariant>  During boot, I see ................. when grub is supposed to show the bootmenu. How can I make it not show .......... and boot faster?
[14:43] <DarkSim> Hello! :)
[14:44] <DarkSim> First time to try KDE for me, hope it's good
[14:45] <invariant> DarkSim, which version are you running?
[14:45] <DarkSim> Ubuntu 12.04
[14:46] <DarkSim> The thing that scared me from trying was that I heard it was a) slow and b) not so pretty
[14:47] <DarkSim> I've almost tried all DE's there are so I guess it's time to give KDE a roll
[14:47] <sbivol> DarkSim: you _really_ should give Kubuntu 12.10 a try, or even 13.04 if you feel adventurous.
[14:47] <DarkSim> It's hard to downgrade
[14:47] <DarkSim> last time I upgraded to 12.10 basically everything went crashing down on me
[14:48] <DarkSim> My BURG, applications, system crashes on everything
[14:48] <DarkSim> it was a complete mess
[14:48] <DarkSim> and I'm a newbie too so it's not that nice to troubleshoot literally the whole computer
[14:49] <DarkSim> So I've tried Unity, Xfce, Lxde, Pantheon and even Gnome 3
[14:49] <DarkSim> Let's see if KDE is the miracle and wonder I've been hearing about recently ;)
[14:50] <DarkSim> I just wish something like KDE or Xfce could generally look like Unity or Gnome 3 when it comes to polish, because honestly, Gnome 3 looks gorgeous to me
[14:50] <DarkSim> I know, I know, people hate me for even considering Gnome 3
[14:53] <DarkSim> Got a little freaked out since I had no start button or anything, thankfully I could find it lol
[14:55] <zedority> have you got kde installed now?
[14:55] <sbivol> DarkSim: Take yout time, head to IRC when you have a question, and you'll hopefully find the KDE experience very nice
[14:55] <DarkSim> sbivol, just a wonder, have you for instance seen the..I think it's called verify window
[14:55] <DarkSim> you know you start something and it asks for your password, root access and all that
[14:56] <DarkSim> have you seen that in Gnome 3, that window, the style and all? Can KDE achieve that?
[14:57] <sbivol> DarkSim: I've never used Gnome 3, since Gnome 2 I moved on to KDE
[14:57] <DarkSim> Yeah, but...let me fetch you a screenshot
[14:58] <ScottyK> Greetings! I saw that amarok 2.7 has been released. How long to you think it will be until it appears in the regular repos for 12.10?
[15:02] <sbivol> ScottyK: I think it's been packaged for kubuntu already, try looking for a PPA, like this one: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[15:02] <yofel> sbivol, ScottyK: wait
[15:03] <yofel> that has the amarok beta + kde 4.10 rc2
[15:03] <yofel> ScottyK: 2.7 can be found in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[15:04] <ScottyK> Is using programs from the backports "safe", or is it reasonably stable?
[15:05] <yofel> maybe not completely safe, but reasonably stable
[15:06] <ScottyK> ok, i'll give it a try. thanks!
[15:07] <sbivol> ScottyK: I use pre-release versions of KDE for my main computer  (even today I upgraded via http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu), and it never lets me down. the Kubuntu packagers do a great job.
[15:09] <yofel> sbivol: please NEVER mention the staging PPA outside -devel. It's not meant for public use
[15:09] <sbivol> yofel: sorry, I'll keep in mind.
[15:10] <yofel> (we keep work-in-progress packages there, if you use it while we work on them it's likely that you'll break your system)
[15:11] <invariant> They are keeping all the working versions for themselves!!
[15:12] <sbivol> yofel: I've used KDE 4.0. A system can never be more „work in progress” than that :-)
[15:13] <yofel> well, true. Let's rather say that you loose warranty by using it ^^
[15:14] <DarkSim> wtf is up with KDE forcing me to have some random web browser on my taskbar?
[15:14] <DarkSim> rekonq
[15:14] <yofel> DarkSim: uh, you can always remove the launcher
[15:14] <DarkSim> I do, but it comes back
[15:14] <yofel> o.O
[15:15] <yofel> now that shouldn't happen
[15:15] <DarkSim> As soon as I make a change in Task Manager Settings
[15:15] <DarkSim> it just pops back up
[15:15] <invariant> DarkSim, if you use 12.04 without any updates, like the backports, that's a bad idea.
[15:15] <DarkSim> Like in Windows 7 when it's pinned to the taskbar for quick launch
[15:15] <DarkSim> I'm not using a backport
[15:15] <DarkSim> I just use the latest 12.04
[15:15] <yofel> yeah, but removing the launcher isn't supposed to bring it back
[15:15] <invariant> DarkSim, then do so immediately.
[15:16] <yofel> invariant: 4.8 is still supposed to work right
[15:16] <invariant> yofel, do you backport all fixes?
[15:16] <DarkSim> It also randomly puts two windows together on top of each other on the taskbar as well
[15:16] <DarkSim> So much problem within the first minutes, sigh
[15:17] <yofel> invariant: well, it has the fixes that are in 4.8.5 + some cherry-picked ones. Of course not everything that's in 4.9
[15:17] <invariant> DarkSim, for your own health, go with the above referred backports repo.
[15:18] <yofel> DarkSim: ok, *that* is kind a known issue (on some systems)
[15:18] <yofel> *kind of
[15:18] <yofel> 4.9 might help there. Not sure as I don't use the default task manager
[15:18] <DarkSim> Bit sad it coughs up so many problems all at once
[15:18] <DarkSim> no other DM has given me these kind of problems that fast
[15:20] <invariant> DarkSim, we already know how much it sucked in 4.8.
[15:21] <invariant> Or rather, I know. yofel needs some convincing.
[15:21]  * yofel didn't say that 4.9 doesn't work better
[15:22] <invariant> I don't quite get this attitude where stable software is more buggy.
[15:22] <DarkSim> I'm not accusing anyone
[15:22] <invariant> It's as if developers have no confidence that later versions are not superior to previous versions.
[15:22] <invariant> If you don't believe in yourself, why should anyone else do that then?
[15:23] <DarkSim> I'm sorry, ok
[15:23] <yofel> I think he's talking to me
[15:24] <invariant> I also run Debian Stable still on some desktop system, but it's quite unbearable.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> DarkSim, it's not you , just ignore the and don't feed the troll
[15:24] <DarkSim> Cant I bind the start button to Meta/Super?
[15:24] <yofel> well, that has 4.4 IIRC - which *is* old (has a working kdepim suite though)
[15:24] <DarkSim> I don't want to mash half my keyboard to bring up the start menu
[15:24] <invariant> yofel, I don't use KDE on that machine.
[15:25] <yofel> DarkSim: you'll need to use meta/super+some_other_key
[15:25] <yofel> DarkSim: in KDE meta/super is just a modifier, not a shortcut by itself
[15:25] <DarkSim> That's not good :/
[15:25] <invariant> DarkSim, because of some silly technical excuse which KDE developers make your windows key cannot be used to bring up the start menu.
[15:26] <invariant> They say that because QT simply doesn't work like that, that they don't support it.
[15:26] <DarkSim> :/
[15:26] <invariant> However, QT is open-source and they control the whole operating system.
[15:26] <invariant> This is #kubuntu afterall.
[15:27] <invariant> Meanwhile, I am the troll according to BluesKaj...
[15:27] <yofel> kubuntu tries to stick to KDE for such things (even if I agree that it's annoying)
[15:27] <invariant> yofel, I wonder why....
[15:28] <invariant> yofel, perhaps because they have no idea about software development?
[15:28] <invariant> yofel, the Kubuntu people, that is.
[15:28] <DarkSim> Can I add a caption to the start button as well?
[15:28] <yofel> invariant: I'm a kubuntu-dev myself. We simply try to stick to KDE as soon as possible - randomly patching KDE is already done by other distros
[15:28] <yofel> *as close as
[15:29] <invariant> yofel, there are lots of alternative designs possible too to make it easy to use the start menu with the keyboard.
[15:29] <invariant> Perhaps you are busy fixing all the bugs you have introduced before.
[15:31] <yofel> sticking close to kde has the advantage of being able to blame them for most of those, but we're a small enough team that we're busy even without trying to track down every single bug we see
[15:31] <DarkSim> So far KDE looks better than I expected, but it's customization is mildly speaking a pain, worth noting
[15:32] <john__> Good day! Somebody please take a look at this screenshots of KDE 4.10 B1:
[15:32] <john__> http://imgur.com/a/QS5Gs
[15:32] <john__> See the transparency glitches?
[15:32] <john__> This is from kubuntu 13.04
[15:33] <john__> expected or should I report a bug?
[15:34] <yofel> john__: 13.04 support is in #ubuntu+1, but the only system I'M seing that on is a 12.04 VM (kvm) running 4.9.97 - all other systems are fine.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> john__, there's a large update/upgrade in the works today , have you done so yet ?
[15:35] <john__> yes, seems so, minutes ago
[15:35] <john__> distro-upgrade
[15:35] <BluesKaj> john__, also 13.04 support is at #ubuntu+1
[15:36] <DarkSim> I have a general idea of most DE's now
[15:36] <DarkSim> It's hard to pick a favorite
[15:37] <john__> okay, tkx
[15:37] <BluesKaj> I was missing some toolbar and menu options before the upgrade and they're restored now
[15:37] <yofel> DarkSim: from my experience one ends up picking the one that gets in the way the least when working
[15:38] <BluesKaj> john__, ^ so there may be some otherfixes that may affect you but unfortunately a reboot is required
[15:39] <DarkSim> I know people want me to die in a fire, but Gnome 3 has given me the most pleasant experience yet
[15:39] <DarkSim> The biggest surprise really
[15:39] <DarkSim> Xfce is the best DE for pure Windows-ish workstyle and is very blunt, not that beautiful
[15:40] <DarkSim> KDE comes close, but I still like Xfce just a little itty bitty bit more
[15:40] <DarkSim> Cinnamon is really cool, but it crashes ALL the time
[15:41] <ScottyK> my 7 year old son is a big fan of KDE. On his side of the kid's computer, he has his desktop loaded with widgets..
[15:41] <DarkSim> All my opinions, so I respect your disrespect
[15:43] <DarkSim> If I could create something which looks like Gnome 3 in KDE it would be a instant win, because I like customization, but the general layout and polish on the UI which Gnome 3 is just so.. wow
[15:44] <DarkSim>  my mouse just locked, brilliant
[15:44] <jimbob6996> LOL
[15:45] <jimbob6996> sometimes you can unlock it with the exc key
[15:45] <jimbob6996> but not often
[15:46] <OerHeks> gnome-issue, i guess
[15:48] <jimbob6996> not sure about it being a gnome issue
[15:48] <BluesKaj> <old windows guy , prefer the familiarity KDE gives me
[15:49] <jimbob6996> it's been happening to me off and on since the upgrade to 12.10
[15:50] <jimbob6996> though I've narrowed it down to when the priview image comes up with a mouse over
[16:33] <BluesKaj> BBL, gotta push some snow
[16:41] <jimbob6996> snow :O
[16:47] <insanitywolf> has anyone tried kubuntu in samsung ativ smart pc pro?
[16:48] <soee> what is the command to edit text file inside terminal ?
[16:50] <Kottizen> soee: nano <file>
[16:54] <jimbob6996> to end text file?
[16:54] <jimbob6996> are you talking about exit?
[16:57] <soee> Kottizen, thank you
[17:11] <jimbob6996> and kubuntu 13.04 is available for DL too
[17:16] <Tm_T> jimbob6996: there's no Kubuntu 13.04 yet
[17:17] <riccardone> Tm_T : No, the official 13.04 will be released on April 2013
[17:17] <Tm_T> riccardone: indeed
[17:17] <jimbob6996> it's still in beta
[17:18] <jimbob6996> oops alpha  :))
[17:21] <riccardone> yeah, it's in alpha release
[17:23] <DarkSim> Kubuntu locked my mouse so I had to log out, smooth :/
[17:24] <kotTon_kaNdiy> raring ringtail
[17:24] <riccardone> instead my wireless mouse go wrong ...
[17:24] <Wizard> I don't even know the meaning of "raring" and "ringtail"
[17:24] <Wizard> :P
[17:24] <kotTon_kaNdiy> make sure the batteries are good
[17:25] <kotTon_kaNdiy> the new ubuntu code name
[17:26] <DarkSim> I think he meant the words as a definition
[17:26] <Wizard> I know it's the code name. I just don't understand the words :D
[17:26] <Wizard> Exactly.
[17:27] <kotTon_kaNdiy> ring tail is what they used to call raccoons :)
[17:27] <DarkSim> Can I edit the windows buttons and all that in KDE?
[17:27] <DarkSim> Because I don't like the default art style
[17:28] <Wizard> You can either try changing Oxygen options or switch theme to fit your needs.
[17:29] <DarkSim> in system settings?
[17:30] <Wizard> Yes.
[18:06] <mdjumper> moin
[19:14] <jimbob6996> hey jacky
[19:19] <Jacky> that was odd
[19:19] <Jacky> but expected
[19:23] <madconqueror> Hey there. I'm new to linux and the folder structure... root is on a SSD, my /home on a HDD. I want a VM image to live on the SSD. Where to put it? I'd opt for /opt/vbvm - but /usr/vbvm or /var/vbvm seem to be viable options too... What's your opinion?
[19:33] <madconqueror> exit
[19:33] <madconqueror> :quit
[19:33] <madconqueror> gaaa
[19:34] <madconqueror> part
[19:43]  * Wizard yawns
[19:44]  * Jacky glances at the Wizard.
[19:44] <sbivol> question: how do you guys post these messages?
[19:45] <Wizard> sbivol: /me
[19:45]  * sbivol found something new about IRC
[19:45] <sbivol> ah, brilliant :)
[19:45] <sbivol> thank you, Wizard
[19:46] <Wizard> sbivol: Now you are ready to join #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[19:46] <Jacky> haha
[19:46] <Wizard> Jacky has already done it.
[19:47]  * sbivol apreciates Wizard's irony
[19:47] <Wizard> ;D
[20:06] <DarthFrog> madconqueror:  If you want to follow Linux conventions, put it under /usr/local/vbvm.  That's your playground.
[20:06] <DarthFrog>  /usr (USR = Unix System Resources) is for distro use. /usr/local is for sysadmin use.
[20:08] <DarthFrog> madconqueror:  /opt is OK, too, instead of /usr/local.  Use one or the other consistently, though.
[20:08] <sbivol> DarthFrog: I always thought /usr comes from „users” o_O
[20:08] <DarthFrog> sbivol:  Most people do, I imagine.
[20:08] <mr0wl> same here
[20:09] <DarthFrog> daemon = Disk And Environment MONitor.
[20:09]  * folorn[A] is now away - Reason : im away from da keyboard hit me up later
[20:16] <madconqueror> DarthFrog: Thank you, you have been truly helpful (Sorry, if this is not reflected in my IRC commands, it has been a long time, and I do not use Apples anymore)
[20:18] <DarthFrog> madconqueror:  have you tweaked your system to use a SSD properly? http://apcmag.com/how-to-maximise-ssd-performance-with-linux.htm
[20:18] <DarthFrog> SSDs are fundamentally different from spinning rust.
[20:19] <madconqueror> how come?
[20:20] <DarthFrog> One has rotating platters with moving r/w heads, the other is addressable static memory.  One has virtually unlimited r/w cycles, the other has limited r/w cycles.  Treating a SSD drive like a regular HD can cause it to wear out prematurely and impinge performance.
[20:24] <madconqueror> OK, this is private usage. It's an i5-3210 on ivy that came with 2x2 GB RAM which I replaced with 2x4 GB RAM (1066 CL7...bla) and used it for surfing.
[20:25] <madconqueror> when i wanted to install x DB which demanded 4 GB of RAM I realized one DIMM had died.
[20:25] <madconqueror> now it has 1 8GB CL9
[20:26] <madconqueror> sufficiefect for the VM to provide 6 GB to the VM I want to live on my SSD
[20:26] <madconqueror> the x DB will only be used for traiining
[20:27] <madconqueror> would you rather install real world DBs on rust or on SSDs?
[20:29] <sbivol> I have this issue in KDE 4.9.98 – every notification appears too much to the right, half of it being beyond the visible area. When I try to drag it to its place, Plasma freezes.
[20:30] <DarthFrog> madconqueror:  I have my system and my home directory on a 240 GB SSD.  But I also have a 1 TB HD mounted under my home directory for storage.
[20:31] <kotTon_kaNdiy> backup drive, darth?
[20:31] <DarthFrog> madconqueror: For a database, where r/w access times are critical for performance, SSD's are ideal.
[20:31] <madconqueror> backups are not intended to be connected, kotTon_kaNdiy
[20:32] <DarthFrog> kotTon_kaNdiy: No.  Tunes, ebooks, download & work directories.  I have a 4 TB D-Link NAS for backup.
[20:32] <DarthFrog> Oh yeah, Steam and games are on the storage drive.
[20:32] <madconqueror> haha
[20:32] <madconqueror> thanks DarthFrog
[20:32] <DarthFrog> you're welcome.
[20:33] <kotTon_kaNdiy> my dad woulda been amazed how far drives and storage has progressed since he passed
[20:33] <sbivol> this screenshot shows a misplaced notification: http://cip.md/plasma-notification.png
[20:34] <DarthFrog> madconqueror:  Backups are intended to be used. :-)  Whatever arrangement someone makes that works for them is correct.  If used. :-)
[20:34] <kotTon_kaNdiy> he was used to the old 512 true floppies :))
[20:34] <kotTon_kaNdiy> yuppers
[20:35] <DarthFrog> kotTon_kaNdiy: I used 180 KB floppies and 300 baud acoustic coupler modems.
[20:35] <systemclient> How can I get Telepathy working with Voice and Video? #KDE told me that libtelepathy-qt4-farstream2 is missing, but apparently telepathy has to be build with that
[20:35] <kotTon_kaNdiy> at least I got rid of the oriiginal os on this computer vista :|
[20:35] <kotTon_kaNdiy> whata piece of crap that was
[20:35] <madconqueror> I used the 5.25'' myself, let's leave it at that.
[20:36] <kotTon_kaNdiy> whoah :-O
[20:36] <madconqueror> thanks all and goodbye
[20:36] <kotTon_kaNdiy> your older than my dad :-O
[20:36] <kotTon_kaNdiy> cool :)
[20:37] <kotTon_kaNdiy> from what I heard, they have a linux that runs on a floppy :-)
[20:38] <kotTon_kaNdiy> but no the 512's
[20:38] <kotTon_kaNdiy> the 1.44 megers
[22:16] <Adricolo> Hi everyone
[22:16] <Adricolo> Someone ?
[22:19] <kotTon_kaNdiy> wassup, adric?
[23:18] <swarfega> is kde 4.10 rc3 being uploaded to the repos?
[23:30] <shadeslayer> swarfega: for raring it's already up
[23:30] <swarfega> quantal tomorrow?
[23:31] <shadeslayer> dunno, I was out of the loop on this one
[23:32] <shadeslayer> odd ... ninjas doesn't have 4.9.98 for quantal
[23:32] <swarfega> :/
[23:32] <shadeslayer> swarfega: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.9.98_quantal.html
[23:33] <shadeslayer> so it's there, I just don't know where :P
[23:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: staging - it's done for both, I just didn't get to copy it
[23:33] <shadeslayer> ah
[23:33] <yofel> feel free o
[23:33] <shadeslayer> yeah, I'll run the copy script
[23:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: anything in there that should not be copied?
[23:34] <shadeslayer> or should I copy it all
[23:34] <yofel> all (AFAIK)
[23:34]  * shadeslayer double checks
[23:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: kubuntu-meta needs copying?
[23:41] <shadeslayer> packages are now being copied to the beta ppa
[23:41] <shadeslayer> for quantal/precise
[23:42] <swarfega> cool


[00:30] <h00k> hello
[23:59]  * Cheesehead drops by merely to generate traffic
[23:59] <soaringsky> to
[23:59] <soaringsky> *yo


[15:01] <antdillon> nottrobin, https://github.com/ubuntudesign/cloud-vanilla-theme/blob/master/scss/modules/_links.scss


[02:46] <lamont> slangasek: looking at build logs, wow.  I think I'll roll new maverick chroot tarballs tomorrow
[02:46] <lamont> and pygobject vs sparc?  fail
[02:46]  * lamont files a bug
[02:55] <ScottK> lamont: Anything beyond saying "sparc" was redundant there.
[03:00] <lamont> heh.
[03:01] <lamont> ScottK: bug 591990
[03:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 591990 in pygobject (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "pygobject hates sparc, kills it (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/591990
[03:02] <ScottK> lamont: I think it's a mercy killing at this point.
[03:05] <lamont> yeah, but I had to file the bug anyway, so I could kill it harder
[03:05] <ScottK> ;-)
[06:33] <slangasek> lamont: new chroot> was that in reference to the coreutils thing?
[06:33] <slangasek> lamont: because I can reproduce this ad absurdum on armel here
[12:20] <lamont> slangasek: nah - that was in reference to how big the dist-upgrade at the start of builds has grown - so new chroot tarballs coming today at some point
[16:58] <slangasek> lamont: ah, ok
[16:58]  * lamont wonders what context that was in
[17:01] <slangasek> a chrooted context :)
[23:43] <lamont> slangasek: ah.  so... if  you're around, wanna kick off a maverick livecd fs build on cardamom(i386) and kapok(amd64) to verify that you can trigger such things?


[10:24] <lenz> Empathy won't connect to my facebook account. What do I do?
[10:47] <lenz> Empathy won't connect to my facebook account. What do I do?
[11:14] <ph_afk> lenz, google it - there is a way to reset the rquest or delete it in facebook or something. from memory that is. I'm not 100% sure it was empathy but I've definitely had issues with that in the past and that is what i did
[11:19] <lenz> Tried all those solutions
[11:22] <ph_afk> lenz, what version of gnome-shell are you on?
[11:23] <lenz> 3.8
[11:24] <ph_afk> hmmm ok - i'm on 3.10 so even if i tried it, it could be because i'm on a later version... I can try and see if it works anyways.
[11:24] <ph_afk> have you tried reinstalling empathy?
[11:25] <ph_afk> lenz, are you using synaptic package manager?
[11:26] <lenz> Noo command-line apt-get
[11:27] <lenz> I have synaptic installed though
[11:27] <lenz> ph_afk, what distro are you using 3.10 on?
[11:27] <ph_afk> well you could try apt-get purge empathy empathy-common and reinstall them?
[11:28] <ph_afk> ubuntu 13.10
[11:28] <ph_afk> ubuntu gnome 13.10 to be cpecific
[11:28] <ph_afk> ^specific
[11:28] <lenz> uninstall and install :D
[11:28] <lenz> I thought that was the windows solution :D
[11:28] <lenz> I'll try
[11:29] <ph_afk> well purge gets rid of the settings that's why i suggested it
[11:29] <ph_afk> have you installed the jabber addons etc as well or it's just the default empathy setup you're using?
[11:31] <lenz> default empathy setup
[11:31] <lenz> I am missing telepathy it seems
[11:32] <ph_afk> good - yeah so purging would be a good place to start again
[11:32] <lenz> Ok I'll try
[11:36] <ph_afk> yeah my empathy connects straight away no issues
[11:37] <ph_afk> when you put in the facebook username your not entering your email address are you?
[11:44] <lenz> I am...
[11:46] <lenz> http://imgur.com/7ILwiRL
[11:50] <ph_afk> have you tried doing it under empathy direct?
[11:50] <ph_afk> lenz,
[11:52] <lenz> Ill try
[11:52] <ph_afk> lenz, if your wanting it for facebook chat then you can add an account direct in empathy using your username (not email) and normal facebook password
[11:53] <lenz> It just redirects me to the global online accounts screen
[11:55] <ph_afk> hmmm mine didn't do that :S It just logged me straight in and my online contacts showed up in empathy
[11:55] <lenz> http://imgur.com/Iuj7Qu2
[11:57] <ph_afk> lenz, ok and your presence is turned on?
[11:57] <ph_afk> and have you clicked the facebook requires authorisation on the contact list?
[11:57] <ph_afk> or clicked go online on the contact list?
[11:58] <ph_afk> yeah 3.8 is still using the presence thingie in the menu - that's gone in 3.10
[11:58] <lenz> clicked all that
[11:58] <ph_afk> It's not connected to the online accounts under gnome settings. I have nothing in my online accounts - just simply added it in empathy and connected straight away
[11:59] <lenz> damn
[11:59] <ph_afk> you on ubuntu?
[11:59] <ph_afk> 13.10?
[11:59] <lenz> 13.04
[12:00] <lenz> GTG no
[12:00] <lenz> thanks for ally our effors ph_afk
[12:00] <lenz> :)
[12:01] <ph_afk> do you have some freespace on a hard drive somewhere? because you could download clonezilla and backup your installation as is to the free space. should only take 5 minutes or so depending on the size of your / partition of course, then install the gnome3 ppa and dist-upgrade and then the gnome3-next ppa and dist-upgrade to that
[12:01] <ph_afk> oops too late
[19:20] <anuro> Hi, can I ask a support question?
[19:57] <bjsnider> no
[21:28] <GermanUbuntuUser> Hello :)


[06:32] <ikt> heya anyone here :s
[06:33] <bioterror> ofkooz
[06:34] <ikt> lol heya
[06:34] <ikt> do you know how to change login preferences?
[06:34] <bioterror> explain moar
[06:35] <ikt> i set during install for lubuntu to just go straight in
[06:35] <ikt> i want to change it so that it requires username/password to login
[06:35] <bioterror> ahh
[06:35] <bioterror> yes
[06:36] <bioterror> im using phone, but i can dig it for u
[06:38] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ theres howto enable it, but you can revert it
[06:39] <bioterror> took a while as i had to use screens copy & paste function and 3G seems to cut becouse of lack of field
[06:42] <ikt> all good, thanks
[06:42] <bioterror> np
[06:43] <bioterror> seems like i can help people after all! ;)
[06:43] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[06:57] <ikt> hi again
[06:57] <ikt> no luck :x
[06:58] <ikt> I did the opposite of what the guide says but it hasn't disabled automatic login
[06:58] <bioterror> hmm
[06:58] <ikt> my lxdm.conf now has autologin #'d out
[06:58] <bioterror> hey
[06:58] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm restart
[06:58] <bioterror> if you didnt reboot yet
[06:59] <bioterror> ;)
[06:59] <bioterror> it that should make it to read the configure file again
[07:01] <ikt> yeah I reboot after every config change :x
[07:01] <bioterror> okay
[07:01] <ikt> doing lxdm restart should result in login screen?
[07:01] <bioterror> yes
[07:01] <ikt> damn
[07:02] <ikt> screen goes black then back to desktop
[07:02] <bioterror> Im at work and no lubuntu here
[07:02] <ikt> :<
[07:02] <ikt> if I delete the file will it recreate it using defaults?
[07:02] <bioterror> dont delete
[07:03] <ikt> found it
[07:03] <ikt> was the wrong file
[07:03] <ikt> default.conf not lxdm.conf
[07:04] <ikt> sigh and it still wants me to enter a password for the keyring
[07:04] <bioterror> that can be easily taken care of
[07:05] <bioterror> you have that network icon in your "systray"
[07:05] <bioterror> click it, edit connections, take open the wireless tab, choose the connection and edit it
[07:05] <bioterror> you should see at the bottom of that window "available to all users"
[07:05] <ikt> yep
[07:05] <bioterror> it asks passwords couple of times, but that's it
[07:06] <bioterror> never again
[07:06] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett!!
[07:06] <ikt> god damn
[07:06] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: yes?
[07:06] <ikt> i love you :)
[07:06] <JoeMaverickSett> lol
[07:06] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, wanna add that to the FAQ? ;)
[07:07] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: ah, i would love too, but what should be added?
[07:07]  * JoeMaverickSett is out in the universe.  I jsut installed lubuntu in my Dell mini 10 V,
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif1> Congratulations gabe__ :)
[11:13] <gabe__> and none of my microphones are working, not the internal  and not the external, I already tried installing alsa mixer, and unmuting it, also tried installing the xfce-mixer package and that did not
[11:13] <gabe__> wrok either
[11:13] <gabe__> Thankis
[11:13] <gabe__> thanks
[11:14] <MrChrisDruif1> Xfce-mixer?
[11:14] <gabe__> my sound card is Realtek ALC272
[11:14] <MrChrisDruif1> In LXDE?
[11:14] <gabe__> well I dont know anything about lubuntu
[11:14] <gabe__> sorry
[11:15] <gabe__> I was just trying anything that I found that could help me from the ubuntu forums
[11:15] <MrChrisDruif1> It's alright, it should work, but just odd Xfce in LXDE (even thou Lubuntu uses some gnome apps :P)
[11:15] <gabe__> any Idea ma'am?
[11:16] <MrChrisDruif1> Ma'am? =-O
[11:16] <gabe__> sorry
[11:17] <gabe__> Mr
[11:17] <gabe__> I did not see that part on your nick
[11:17] <MrChrisDruif1> xD
[11:19] <gabe__> Well... Mr, Do you have any advice on which route to go?
[11:19] <MrChrisDruif1> I'll looking :)
[11:19] <gabe__> thanks
[11:21] <MrChrisDruif1> Sorry. can't find anything...maybe someone else knows something....you could try again later/idle here....someone might come online who knows what to do :)
[11:22] <gabe__> thanks anyways
[11:22] <gabe__> also I have another question
[11:22] <MrChrisDruif1> Shoot :)
[11:23] <gabe__> I have setup my account as default user in my machine...however, even though I have set up to ask for my login when it boots, it just goes straight to my desktop without asking me for my credentials
[11:23] <gabe__> do you know how to I could fix that?
[11:24] <gabe__> sorry for the typos
[11:25] <bioterror> second login asked today
[11:25] <MrChrisDruif1> bioterror: What do you mean?
[11:25] <bioterror> just a moement, I'll fix one thing and give you a hint
[11:26] <gabe__> OK!
[11:27] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[11:27] <bioterror> there you have this how to enable autologin, reverse it, add the #.
[11:28] <JoeMaverickSett> check /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf? autologin=username should be (#) to not autologin?
[11:28] <bioterror> haaa!
[11:28]  * JoeMaverickSett is late. :|
[11:28] <bioterror> slow like a snail1
[11:28] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, I even fixed the lxdm.conf to default.conf ;D
[11:28] <JoeMaverickSett> sorry, sir. :'( *shame on me*.
[11:28] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: grrhh, whatever... :
[11:28] <bioterror> :-)
[11:29] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i'm having an endless "Starting Bluetooth" after i've enabled autologin. :|
[11:29] <bioterror> :D
[11:29] <bioterror> you dont get to X11
[11:30] <bioterror> remove bluetooth and you see something else :--)
[11:30] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: how do i do that, good ol' master? :P
[11:30] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: it's in Virtualbox, btw. ;D
[11:31] <gabe__> ok
[11:31] <gabe__> How do I save it?
[11:32] <bioterror> ctrl+x
[11:32] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=Realtek+ALC272 lots of happy users
[11:33] <gabe__> Thanks!!!!!!
[11:33] <bioterror> said tom hanks!
[11:37] <bioterror> gabe__, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/412862/comments/4
[11:38] <bioterror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/412862/comments/10
[11:40] <bioterror> that chipset is doomed!
[11:40] <JoeMaverickSett> nasty bug. :|
[11:40] <quem> bloomed!
[11:41] <gabe__> Thaks!!!!
[11:41] <quem> going on a >2 months trip to africa. any software i don't want to forget to install before i depart on sunday?
[11:41] <gabe__> I got it fix!!
[11:41] <bioterror> gabe__, look comment #20
[11:42] <gabe__> What I had to do was to go the alsa mixer applicatino
[11:42] <JoeMaverickSett> quem: probably Google Earth. :)
[11:42] <bioterror> joe :D
[11:42] <gabe__> then check the REC box under the capture bar
[11:42] <gabe__> that did the trick
[11:43] <gabe__> THANKS a lot guys!
[11:43] <bioterror> o/
[11:43] <JoeMaverickSett> no problem, gabe__ now worship bioterror :P
[11:43] <bioterror> #lubuntu > *
[11:43] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[11:43] <gabe__> LONG LIVE BIOTERROR!!!!
[11:43]  * JoeMaverickSett giggles.
[11:44] <bioterror> I'm fat and I have high blood pressure, I'm not going to live long :D
[11:44] <gabe__> well at least try buddy
[11:44] <gabe__> at least try
[11:45] <quem> JoeMaverickSett: i won't have an internet connection though.. i thought it relied on downloading data? (i've never used it.)
[11:45] <gabe__> Well guys again thank you!!! Have a great day!
[11:45] <JoeMaverickSett> quem: heh, didn't think of it. sorry! :|
[11:49] <esing> Hi !!!
[11:49] <esing> I dont want that my display turns darker when i dont move the curser after 20 seconds
[11:49] <esing> how can I change thisß?
[11:54] <bioterror> hi again
[11:54] <Gabe__> Hello there
[11:54] <Gabe__> I know
[11:54] <bioterror> esing, from power settings? ;)
[11:54] <Gabe__> I just have another question
[11:54] <Gabe__> right I got my mic to work
[11:54] <bioterror> esing, if that's laptop, I think it has to be "idle"
[11:54] <esing> where do I find the power settings in LXDE ?
[11:54] <esing> yes it is a laptop
[11:55] <bioterror> esing, unplug the power cord, you should see a battery icon ;)
[11:55] <Gabe__> but now when I tried the test call from skype my recording sounded like I was speaking under the water
[11:55] <esing> ah sec
[11:56] <bioterror> Gabe, with that even I cant help you :(
[11:56] <bioterror> ahh, your nick reminds me of that Cliffhanger movie :)
[11:56] <Gabe__> reallly
[11:56] <esing> _thx_ very _much_ !!!
[11:56] <Gabe__> that sucks
[11:56] <Gabe__> thanks anyways
[11:56] <esing> it worked :-) *_AweSome_*
[11:56] <esing> :)
[11:57] <Gabe__> wow
[11:58] <Gabe__> is there anybody else here that might have some ideas about what to do to fix the skype issue I mentioned before?
[11:59] <Gabe__> I guess not! Thank you guys anyways! Have a good day!
[11:59] <bioterror> szczur, do you make skype calls? does it sound like you're underwater?
[11:59] <Gabe__> yes
[11:59] <Gabe__> thats it
[11:59] <bioterror> my employer pays my phonecalls if I use that phone, I can make broadband calls :D
[11:59] <szczur> bioterror, i don't have mic at the moment
[11:59] <JoeMaverickSett> i use skype, but no. :|
[12:00] <bioterror> szczur, I thought you were a MC!
[12:00] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[12:00] <szczur> hahaha
[12:00] <Gabe__> I went online and I saw a forum where the stated that in order to get skype to work with lubuntu one had to change the architecture of it lpia and then create the package and the run it
[12:01] <Gabe__> that's what I dea
[12:01] <Gabe__> did
[12:01] <JoeMaverickSett> Gabe__: did you check all the options under Options > Sound Devices? (although this might not be the case :| )
[12:02] <Gabe__> Well I have not tried that this time....
[12:02] <bioterror> gabe, sudo apt-get install audacity
[12:02] <Gabe__> let me check I will be right back
[12:02] <Gabe__> i did that
[12:02] <bioterror> Gabe__, if you record something with audacity, does it sound too like coming from underwater
[12:02] <bioterror> or is it just the skype
[12:02] <Gabe__> i install audacity and it sounded great
[12:03] <Gabe__> no problems
[12:03] <Gabe__> it is just skype
[12:03] <bioterror> okay, skype related problems
[12:03] <bioterror> technically your hw works juuuuust fine
[12:03] <Gabe__> that's a good thing
[14:14] <speckmade> what about having fun with gnash in chromium? Sadly, I only get errors like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/537205
[17:32] <bioterror> I installed plymouth-lubuntu_text and still just blank screen on boot
[17:41] <bioterror> anone running natty?
[17:41] <bioterror> I noticed that the new background is having "gradient" lines
[18:18] <Gabe___> Hello everybody
[18:19] <Timo_> hi Gabe___
[18:20] <Gabe___> I running lubuntu 10.10 on my Dell Inspiron 10v.  I have already installed skype on it but when I do the test call, and record my message it sounds like I am talking under the water.  I have audacity installed and it works just fine.  I has to be some issue with skype.  Any ideas?
[18:22] <Gabe___> I guess there no one has any idea.  Thanks anyways!!!!
[18:22] <Timo_> Gabe___:
[18:23] <Timo_> I think you don't really see the point of IRC
[18:23] <Timo_> you shouldn't think that every idler of the 37 people in here
[18:23] <Gabe___> I am sorry
[18:23] <Timo_> are 24/7 wathcing for people needing hepl
[18:23] <Gabe___> sorry
[18:23] <Gabe___> firs time here
[18:23] <Timo_> they just check from time to time, so you should be patient for irc support to work out
[18:24] <Timo_> no problem, it's just a mass made mistake, people tend to think that the others in the channel are some kind of helpdesk :P
[18:24] <Gabe___> thanks for the info... sorry
[18:24] <Timo_> but I don't really know how to solve it, it seems to be a problem related to skype. It's still beta, so maybe it's just a bug. Might be an idea to check @ Skype's customer support or something
[18:25] <Gabe___> alright... will check that out
[18:25] <Gabe___> thanks anyways.  Have a good day
[18:34] <bioterror> could I get unaffiliated/affiliated
[18:34] <bioterror> :D
[18:35] <bioterror> and wrong window :D
[19:12] <siron> Is the Lubuntu a stable realese. How does it work compare with the ubuntu maverick realease
[19:13] <bioterror> maverick is stable
[19:13] <bioterror> 10.04 rather considered for pentiums and other i586 computers nowdays


[14:07] <popey> I know we've fixed this before, but it seems to have broken again - #ubuntu-phone shows invite only, but should redirect to #ubuntu-touch... how do I fix this?
[14:07] <Unit193> Are you already in -touch?
[14:07] <popey> i am
[14:08] <Unit193> Part that one, then join -phone, it'll redirect.
[14:08] <popey> problem is other people get confused by that
[14:08] <Unit193> That is to say, it shows as invite only because you already are in the forwarded channel.
[14:08] <popey> they're in #ubuntu-touch, and then try and join #ubuntu-phone because they see some reference to it
[14:08] <popey> and get the same message i did
[14:09] <Unit193> You can't have IRC tell them about the forward.
[14:09] <Pici> It's an ircd limitation.
[14:10] <Pici> Cleaning up the references to #ubuntu-phone would be the only solution :/
[14:15] <popey> okay, thanks


[14:24] <cmaloney> Whee
[14:25] <cmaloney> saw flashes of light and heard fireworks-popping sounds by the electrical pole
[14:27] <jrwren> and your power is still on?
[14:29] <cmaloney> Yes
[14:29] <cmaloney> Thankfully
[14:48] <_stink_> don't worry sir, that's normal
[14:51] <cmaloney> heh
[20:37] <waldo323> everyone coming to mug tonight?
[20:37] <waldo323> I'm thinking I'll go ;)
[20:37] <Scary_Guy> I'm not making it, family dinner and then a concert at Small's
[20:38] <Scary_Guy> but it does look really interesting tonight
[20:39] <waldo323> hopefully we won't end up with the technical difficulties we had last month :-\
[20:39] <Scary_Guy> hardware devices are neat too, but I think having one less device and using software TOTP TFA would be better.  downside is you can't really confiscate that if you fire someone,  unless you make it a company phone or something
[20:40] <waldo323> the video is up and the slides worked better in the video than through the projector. https://youtu.be/tCV4KFgd_rM
[20:40] <Scary_Guy> I remember working in a bar long ago and a cop forgot his RSA keyfob and it just displayed random numbers.


[02:53] <plunger> Hello
[02:56] <plunger> Can anyone give me some quick help? I been searching all day... I removed LXDE and installed kubuntu-desktop and kde-full, when I log on and I click my menu it just shows a couple pre-selected favorites but none of my applications
[02:56] <plunger> I could likely add them manually, but there are so many..   I use FreeBSD mostly
[03:20] <blondet> good evng
[03:53] <cjae_> how come i cannot browse /var/mobile on a ipad under kubuntu?
[03:53] <cjae_> but if I plug it into a gnome based box then I can
[03:58] <plunger>  Can anyone give me some quick help? I been searching all day... I removed LXDE and installed kubuntu-desktop and kde-full, when I log on and I click my menu it just shows a couple pre-selected favorites but none of my applications
[04:19] <Programmer_> how do i enable the window preview?
[07:24] <pierre___> Hello guys. I am facing issues with connecting external displays.  I connect a display and KDE asks me to configure it. i configure that display to be on the'left' of the existing one, set resolution etc.
[07:24] <pierre___> it works fine.
[07:25] <pierre___> but when i unplug the display, KDE doesn't go back to the earlier mode - i probably needs to 'bring back' the windows from the disconnected display and group it here
[07:25] <pierre___> it again asks me to configure thenew dsiplay arraagmenet, and even if i do it, the windows still are geometrically in the left corner
[07:26] <pierre___> i am forced to click on the app in the taskbar, do a 'move' and drag itback
[10:29] <sitarama> salve
[10:34] <sitarama> sto seguendo una procedura per linux ubuntu per scaricare dei video da youtube, come si può fare?
[10:34] <sitarama> qualcuno mi può aiutare?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> "Morning all
[11:40] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[13:36] <murthy> hello everyone
[13:36]  * genii-around slides murthy a coffee and doughnut
[13:36] <murthy> genii-around: hi
[13:37] <bradlee> murthy hello someone's actually alive on this channel
[13:38] <bradlee> genii-around hello
[13:38] <lordievader> bradlee: Lot's of idlers feed on activity ;)
[13:38]  * genii-around slides bradlee a coffee also, with a bagel
[13:38] <murthy> bradlee: :)
[13:38] <bradlee> murthy hello
[13:39] <bradlee> genii-around, I take the coffee and bagel careful not to let it slide all the way off the table and crash to the floor
[13:41] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[13:47] <bradlee> why when I run jockey-kde it says my video driver is activated but not currently in use
[13:48] <murthy> bradlee: do you have a graphics card?
[13:49] <bradlee> yes
[13:50] <bradlee> geforce 9600 gt
[13:53] <bradlee> murthy: yes geforce 9600 gt
[13:53] <murthy> bradlee: have you disabled the onboard gpu?
[13:54] <bradlee> murthy: how would I know I don't think so but not sure
[13:54] <bradlee> murthy: should I google that maybe?
[13:54] <murthy> bradlee: no, we will see
[13:54] <genii-around> bradlee: Does lsmod  show the nvidia driver is actually loaded?
[13:55] <bradlee> yes
[13:55] <bradlee> murthy: yes lsmod | grep nvidia
[13:55] <murthy> bradlee: did you install drivers from the nvidia website?
[13:55] <bradlee> murthy: no I installed them from "current drivers"
[13:56] <murthy> bradlee: can you open nvidia-settings?
[13:57] <murthy> bradlee: just run nvidia-settings from terminal and see, if it says the driver is not loaded then we will try something
[13:57] <genii-around> I wonder if xorg.conf has  Driver  "nvidia" in it
[13:58] <bradlee> murthy: yes I can run nvidia-settings
[13:58] <murthy> genii-around: I am thinking the same
[13:58] <murthy> bradlee: can you see all the nvidia settings
[13:59] <bradlee> murthy: I see the x server information page
[14:00] <murthy> bradlee: in that case run this command "sudo nvidia-xconfig" and restart the system and see if that solves the problem
[14:00] <bradlee> murthy: okay
[14:00] <bradlee> murthy: do you use konversation for this what we are doing now?
[14:01] <bradlee> murthy: afk restarting computer
[14:02] <murthy> bradlee: ok
[14:15] <genii-around> murthy: I wonder if bradlee not being back yet is a good or bad thing
[14:15] <murthy> genii-around:  ha ha ha
[14:15] <murthy> sorry
[14:15] <lordievader> With video-cards that ^ is usually a bad sign...
[14:16] <murthy> nice he is back
[14:16] <bradlee> murthy: I am back
[14:17] <murthy> ya we were wondering if you got stuck
[14:17] <bradlee> nope, thanks
[14:18] <murthy> bradlee: did it work>
[14:18] <bradlee> murthy: driver activated but not currently in use.
[14:18] <bradlee> murthy: I don't think so
[14:19] <murthy> bradlee: can you paste this file "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"  ?
[14:19] <murthy> bradlee: use paste.kde.org
[14:19] <bradlee> murthy: okay...
[14:19] <murthy> I keep getting two notifications for any alert, is this a known issue?
[14:22] <bradlee> murthy: http://paste.kde.org/714338/
[14:22] <murthy> bradlee: checking
[14:31] <murthy> bradlee: from the logs the driver seems to be loaded
[14:31] <murthy> bradlee: *log
[14:31] <bradlee> murthy: yes
[14:31] <bradlee> murthy:is it active or maybe it does not matter
[14:32] <murthy> bradlee: when the nvidia-settings opens then it means the driver is active
[14:32] <bradlee> murthy:jockey-kde says it is activated but not in use...okay...so jockey-kde is confusing me
[14:32] <murthy> bradlee: if the driver is not active then nvidia-settings will complain
[14:32] <murthy> bradlee: we will test that now, wait
[14:33] <lordievader> bradlee: I've heard that the jockey is sometimes wrong with these things.
[14:33] <bradlee> lordievader:understood thanks
[14:34] <BluesKaj> murthy:  jockey can't be trusted , there are some bugs , it doesn't remove old modules
[14:35] <murthy> BluesKaj: oh
[14:35] <BluesKaj> best to use the package manbager as a reference and use it or apt-get to install the driver(s)
[14:35] <genii-around> I find it interesting it is trying to use EDID information from the CRT
[14:37] <murthy> bradlee: try running some thing that uses the gpu and see if it works, for example you could test with the hardware accleration in flash videos
[14:38] <murthy> BluesKaj: are you using the 310 driver?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> murthy: I was but I just installed the 313 from xorg.edgers , was assured by the guys at #ubuntu+1 that it would run fine with my 8400gs
[14:40] <bradlee> murthy: trying to figure out how to do flash videos with hardware acceleration
[14:41] <bradlee> okay
[14:41] <murthy> bradlee: hardware acceleration is enabled by default as far as i know and all you have to so is play some youtube video with 720p or more and  right click the video and see video info
[14:42] <murthy> BluesKaj: is it stable?
[14:42] <bradlee> murthy: I right clicked on a video on youtube and settings says enable hardware accelaration it's checked :)
[14:42] <BluesKaj> seems fine so far the gpu temp even dropped by 5C
[14:42] <BluesKaj> murthy: ^
[14:43] <murthy> bradlee: ya, its enabled by default, now play a video in 720p or more and right click the video and now select video info
[14:43] <murthy> BluesKaj: seriously? wow
[14:43] <bradlee> murthy:I need to find a video recorded in that resolution on youtube
[14:43] <genii-around> If everyone looks like The Hulk you might have to disable video acceleration
[14:44] <murthy> ha ha ha
[14:44] <murthy> genii-around: thats a known issue :(
[14:44] <murthy> BluesKaj: are you using in your regular system?
[14:44] <murthy> BluesKaj: i mean the driver?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> 13.04 atm'
[14:45] <BluesKaj> yes , 12.10 is gone , 13.04 is my main OS , murthy
[14:47] <murthy> BluesKaj: you i have to do that, i think i will upgrade tonight. the driver's improvement is tempting
[14:47] <murthy> bradlee: have you found a video ?
[14:47] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I always keep the last LTS on another partittion *just in case* .... :)
[14:47] <bradlee> murthy: yes
[14:48] <BluesKaj> murthy:  well actually the 310 driver was really quite good as well
[14:48] <bradlee> murthy: right clicked and got info
[14:48] <murthy> BluesKaj: ya using 310.40 now
[14:49] <bradlee> murthy: yes
[14:49] <bradlee> murthy:even captured it as a photo
[14:50] <bradlee> murthy:i tried using ksnapshot to upload it to picasa...did not work...not sure why...
[14:50] <murthy> bradlee: use imagebin
[14:50] <murthy> bradlee: http://imagebin.org/
[14:50] <bradlee> murthy:imagebin...okay...I am learning so much...thank you very much I am serious
[14:51] <murthy> bradlee: you are always welcome, if we are not active here, catch us at #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:53] <bradlee> http://imagebin.org/252531
[14:53] <bradlee> murthy:thanks again
[14:53] <murthy> genii-around: I always keep an unstable version as an option :)
[14:54] <murthy> bradlee: you are welcome
[14:55] <murthy> what scares me during an upgrade is always the boot ending up in the tty due to the nvidia driver, thats not happening anymore
[14:58] <BluesKaj> murthy: the nvidia upgrade shouldn't be done with jockey , do it with the package manager if you have to . or even apt-get
[14:59] <murthy> BluesKaj: ya, like you said jockey can't  be trusted
[15:00] <BluesKaj> murthy:  good
[15:00] <genii-around> I like apt-get, at least you get some informative messages if everything goes wonky
[15:01] <BluesKaj> murthy:  I'm not real enthusiastic about the 313 driver tho , it's herky jerky in glxgears where the 310 driver was nice a\nd smooth
[15:02] <BluesKaj> think I'm going to revert back to the 310
[15:04] <bradlee> murthy:the capture says software rendering, is this what its supposed to say?
[15:04] <bradlee> afk for a while
[15:09] <murthy> bradlee: when you right click a video you will see a an option "show video info" a embedded dialog should  show  "accelerated video rendering"
[15:16] <bradlee> murthy:the image does not show that
[15:16] <bradlee> murthy:it shows software video rendering
[15:17] <murthy> bradlee: then something is wrong with the driver i guess
[15:18] <bradlee> murthy:so should I use synaptic to install a different version...
[15:25] <murthy> bradlee: try reinstalling the driver using a package manager
[15:27] <bradlee> muon nvidia-current reinstall is ghosted...
[15:29] <bradlee> murthy:maybe try snaptic muon nvidia-current reinstall is ghosted
[15:30] <murthy> bradlee: try running this command "sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current"
[15:30] <HorusHorrendus> hey guys ... I don't find a way to set my screen resoltuion in raring :)
[15:33] <bradlee> murthy: when I click on one of the icons in my system tray, I expect a menu, but nothing...
[15:33] <murthy> HorusHorrendus: not in system settings -> display and monitor?
[15:33] <bradlee> murthy:it takes a few seconds just to show a menu...
[15:34] <HorusHorrendus> murthy: nope there is only screen saver & gamma
[15:34] <murthy> bradlee: check if some packages are missing, you can do that with this command "apt-get install -f"
[15:35] <murthy> HorusHorrendus: what is your kubuntu version?
[15:35] <HorusHorrendus> murthy: raring ... 13.04
[15:36] <HorusHorrendus> (just updated today to try it out)
[15:36] <bradlee> murthy:results of reinstall are at http://paste.kde.org/714404/
[15:36] <Pici> HorusHorrendus :Raring/13.04 is not yet released. Please join #ubuntu+1 for further support and discussion.
[15:37] <murthy> bradlee: checking
[15:37] <HorusHorrendus> Pici: yeah I know ... just thought maybe some Devs/Beta Users are here who know something ;)
[15:37] <HorusHorrendus> is there only
[15:38] <HorusHorrendus> #ubuntu+1 ... no
[15:38] <HorusHorrendus> #kubuntu+1 ;)
[15:38] <Pici> HorusHorrendus: Its the same.
[15:38] <HorusHorrendus> (wow do I have problems typing atm ;) )
[15:38] <Pici> We don't have separate channels for each flavor for +1
[15:39] <murthy> bradlee: you have to restart and see if it works
[15:40] <bradlee> murthy:afk restarting computer...
[15:43] <HorusHorrendus> ahh already fixed it ... kscreen is the name and somehow it was not under the expected place
[15:45] <BluesKaj> yup murthy , the 310 driver is much smoother then the 313 , the 313 still needs refinement IMO
[15:45] <BluesKaj> than the 313
[15:46] <BluesKaj> and the nvidia site doesn't recommend the 313 for my card yet
[15:46] <murthy> BluesKaj: oh, so should i hold on to 310 for now?
[15:46] <murthy> HorusHorrendus: nice
[15:47] <BluesKaj> murthy: yes I think so unless your card is more capable than my 8400gs
[15:47] <murthy> BluesKaj: we have a unified driver remember?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> unified as adriver but some applications run better on some cards than others even with the same driver
[15:51] <bradlee> murthy: I think this worked because now the info on a 720p shows accelerated video rendering
[15:56] <murthy> bradlee: thats cool
[15:57] <murthy> BluesKaj: phoronix ? :)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> murthy:  no ,the 313 is an xorg-edgers offering via their ppa
[15:59] <bradlee> murthy:My eyesight is not so good...so I have the default font at ubuntu/bold/16 and device notifier menu is garbled
[15:59] <bradlee> should I submit this issue to launchpad?
[16:00] <murthy> bradlee: sure if you feel you want to report
[16:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: i mean the nvidia driver benchmarks for various apps
[16:05] <BluesKaj> murthy:  bechmarks for apps and drivers ? never considered such a comparison since benchmarks to me always meant hardware testing not software
[16:06] <BluesKaj> using std software as control
[16:40] <tolpico> Hi, I have installed kubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu 12.10. How do I log into Kubuntu? I  restarted but there is no option to switch to kubuntu at the login screen.
[16:41] <genii-around> tolpico: Did you restart since this?
[16:41] <tolpico> genii-around: yes I did
[16:42] <genii-around> tolpico: Very odd. Is it still using the login scren from regular Ubuntu? May want to install lightdm-kde-greeter instead
[16:43] <tolpico> I only installed the package "kubuntu-desktop". Is there any other package which needs to be installed?
[16:43] <tolpico> ok I iwll try kightdm
[16:43] <tolpico> Yes it is still using the regular ubuntu login screen
[16:44] <tolpico> lightdm-kde-greeter is already the newest version.
[16:46] <tolpico> genii-around: Hey sorry, got it, we have to click the little ubuntu logo which brings in the desktop env switcher.
[16:47] <genii-around> Ah, good
[17:16] <spillo> hola
[17:16] <spillo> we
[20:32] <BluesKaj> !plop
[20:43] <genii-around> !fizz
[20:48] <BluesKaj> genii-around:  :)
[22:14] <kubuntu> Hi ?
[22:14] <Guest56039> Hi ?
[22:15] <rsaw> hello
[22:17] <Guest56039> uh ... trying to install (kubuntu 13.04 b1) ... installer doing nothing after "install this third-party... " ( clicked "continue" ) nothing happen since 15 minutes ... no disk activity, cpu activities ... Thus the Instasller is SCREWED UP ... uninstallable -- I would understand if I downloaded an alpha test - but beta means: testing last addition + bug fixes ...
[22:17] <Guest56039> "testing last"  -- no rather testing FINAL IMAGES/PACKAGES ...
[22:25] <rsaw> hmm he left. bummer.
[22:26] <rsaw> I don't know why newbies want to run betas/non-lts.
[22:48] <rosco_y> I"m new enough that I still consider myself to be a newbie:  I installed the non-lts version first, because someone someone said "it should work for you."  I thought it'd be nice to have the latest bells and whistles....
[22:49] <rosco_y> but it wasn't incredibily stable, (to put it mildly), so I switched to lts, and my system has been rock-solid ever since.  I'm hooked on lts
[22:52] <genii-around> The default upgrade path of LTS straight to next LTS should be the recommended path for new users
[22:55] <rsaw> genii-around: I've see LTS to LTSD upgrades bork many a box. Better to unmount /home, nuke and pavve, do a clean install and then remount /home, imho.
[22:55] <rosco_y> I agree.  It'd be a service to most new users....
[22:55] <rsaw> minus D
[22:56] <rsaw> Just have to make sure /home is on a seperate drive/parition.
[22:56] <rosco_y> I'm so pleased with my solid computer new, I don't know if I'll ever mess around with the latest and greatest anymore.....
[22:56] <rosco_y> it's just so nice to have computer that "just works"
[22:57] <genii-around> I've tried to share /home between different LTS/non-LTS and it never did anything except get pretty borked
[22:57] <genii-around> I have separate partitions for that now
[22:57] <rsaw> rosco_y: I suggest running an stable LTS version on your PC, and then if you want to play with the latest versions, do so in VirtualBox, as a VM.
[22:57] <rsaw> Once you install it as a VM, make a default snapshot to rollback to if the VM gets borked up.
[22:58] <rsaw> genii-around: that way works too.
[22:58] <rosco_y> rsaw: I've concidered that, but I have everything I need in LTS, and no need to experiment.  Although I have spent a few hours toying with the idea of setting up gentoo in a vm, as a "learning unix" exercise....
[22:58] <rsaw> VMing it is cleaner I think, but many ways to skin that cat.
[22:59] <rsaw> right on.,
[22:59] <genii-around> rosco_y: If you want a good exercise to do for learning, I recommend Linux From Scratch
[22:59] <rsaw> Gentoo or LFS is a good learning experience for sure.
[22:59] <genii-around> !lfs
[23:00] <rosco_y> genii-around: The thing is, I have enough exercise trying to get the things I need to finish completed, without inventing new exercises :)
[23:00] <genii-around> Hehe :)
[23:00] <rsaw> Another good way to learn was to install DVL (Damn Vunerable Linux, no longer made) and then pen test iwt with BackTrack, keep securing DVL until it's as secure as it can be.
[23:00] <rsaw> DVL had tons of holes on purpose.
[23:00] <rosco_y> that's why I'm hooked on LTS, it's really time-consuming to be farting around, rebuilding and reconfiguring
[23:01] <rosco_y> especially if it's happening once or twice a month
[23:01] <rsaw> me too. I just want stuff to work. I remember when I first got involved in Linux back in 1996, different world back then. I don'
[23:01] <rosco_y> with LTS, I just hit the on button and go.
[23:01] <rsaw> t want to tweak and geek for days, I have other things to do.
[23:01] <rsaw> LTS is for the most part, yeah.
[23:02] <rsaw> Is Kubuntu moving to Wayland?
[23:02] <genii-around> I don't see any mention of it being made in #kubuntu-devel
[23:02] <rsaw> Are they going to use Mir then?
[23:03] <rosco_y> rsaw: agreed.  I first played around with BSD back in the early 80's--I think it took me three days to download nearly 100 3.5" floppy images....
[23:03] <rsaw> X is going away, at least in Ubuntu it is.
[23:03] <rosco_y> Ubuntu rocks....
[23:03] <rosco_y> install it and go to work.
[23:03] <rsaw> rosco_y: heheh BSD, good stuff. Most secure OS right out of the box is OpenBSD
[23:03] <rsaw> My router runs pfSense, which is BSD-based.
[23:04] <rosco_y> The wireless functionality of my router is going kuptutz.  Can anyone recommend an affordable replacement that I might consider buying?
[23:05] <rosco_y> I upgraded the firmware last night, still doesn't work correctly.....
[23:05] <genii-around> The TP-Links aren't bad
[23:05] <rsaw> rosco_y: Whatever you buy, make sure it's ipv6 capable, not all of them are.
[23:05] <rsaw> Personally, I vote for making your own router.
[23:05] <rosco_y> rsaw: ty.  that is something I hadn't considered
[23:06] <monkeyjuice> dd-wrt
[23:06] <rsaw> Just take a PC, toss on 3 NICs, 2 wired, one for LAN, one for WAN, and a wireless.
[23:06] <rosco_y> "making" your own router....?
[23:06] <rsaw> then install pfSense
[23:06]  * rosco_y oops...I'm in the wrong room.....
[23:06] <rosco_y> jk...
[23:06] <rosco_y> I couldn't imagine what it would take to make a router
[23:06] <genii-around> monkeyjuice: tplink 8960 with openwrt is good also :)
[23:06] <rsaw> rosco_y: A PC with 2 NICs
[23:06] <monkeyjuice> indeed ;)
[23:07] <monkeyjuice> have 3 old linksys
[23:07] <rsaw> I bought a unit already made, because I wanted less power consumption, I bought a Netgate FW-7535 with 2GB of RAM, upgraded it to 4GB.
[23:07] <rosco_y> mine isn't really even that old in my opinion, it's a Linksys Wireless-g
[23:07] <rsaw> Yeah, the LinkSys have like 2MB RAM and run VxWOrks...
[23:08] <rsaw> Some can be changed out to DD-WRT, Tomato, etc, but not pfSense.
[23:08] <monkeyjuice> whats wrong with it rosco_y
[23:08] <rsaw> His wifi die.
[23:08] <monkeyjuice> ah
[23:08] <rosco_y> monkeyjuice:  It doesn't seem to be broadcasting continually anymore
[23:08] <monkeyjuice> i would try dd-wrt
[23:08] <rosco_y> sometimes people can see it, and then it goes away
[23:08] <monkeyjuice> might fix it
[23:09] <rsaw> rosco_y: You ever seen pfSense? If not, I think you'd be impressed. They also have a channel on here as well.
[23:09] <rosco_y> dd-wrt?
[23:09] <monkeyjuice> looks at pfsense
[23:09] <genii-around> rosco_y: dd-wrt and openwrt are alternate firmwares for many routers
[23:09] <rosco_y> rsaw: I've never even heard of pfSense,
[23:09] <rsaw> DD-WRT is a replacement firmware, but make sure your router's hardware version is supported.
[23:09] <rsaw> rosco_y: pfsense.org
[23:09] <rosco_y> genii-around: can I install dd-wrt on my router?
[23:09] <rsaw> It's free, and enterprise level.
[23:10] <genii-around> rosco_y: You'd have to look at their site and see if it's on the list
[23:10] <rsaw> rosco_y: maybe. Look at the HCL.
[23:10] <genii-around> And at this point I should probably do an !ot on us all ;)
[23:10] <rsaw> oh fine!
[23:10] <rosco_y> ok, thank you everyone, I'll go take a look--maybe save me a little of my hard-earned-pay :)
[23:10] <rsaw> :D
[23:10] <rsaw> !ot
[23:11] <rsaw> I deed it! I deed it!
[23:11] <genii-around> !helpersnack | rsaw
[23:11] <monkeyjuice> its still linux stuff ;)
[23:11] <rsaw> rosco_y:  Seriously, check out pfSense.
[23:11] <rsaw> mmmmmm cookie!!
[23:12] <rsaw> and on that note, I'm taking my delicious cookie and gong home. The work day has ended for me.
[23:12] <rosco_y> rsaw: I'm browsing there now....looking at their "new installs" section
[23:12] <rsaw> rosco_y: It's good stuff. If you use a PC, get the live CD. If you are using a CF card, that's what the nano 2G and nano4G is for,
[23:12] <rosco_y> I have the general idea that I'm looking to rewrite my firmware in my router--is that about it?
[23:13] <rsaw> rosco_y: yeah, if you go with DD-WRT or Tomato, yes.
[23:13] <rsaw> If pfSense, yopu'll need  to build a router for it, or use a PC.
[23:13] <rsaw> or buy one premade like I did.
[23:14] <rsaw> ok, cookie is gone, I've no milk, time to jet. cya all.
[23:14] <monkeyjuice> l8r
[23:14] <rosco_y> I kind of think I might have downloaded something like this directly from LinkSys last night--I didn't actually look at it, but it was open-source and had the makefiles and stuff to build it in linux
[23:17] <rosco_y> What is TFTP?  would that be selecting the bin file and flashing over the ethernet connect to the pc?
[23:18] <rosco_y> I have choices for a mini-build for initial flashing via TFTP,  and flashing via WEB (which doesn't sound all that appealing to me)
[23:19] <rosco_y> or, should I be looking at the "Standard Generic" version?
[23:30] <genii-around> rosco_y: tftp is like ftp without authentication/login


[02:01] <Joaoebordignon> Hi, I'm doing a reinstall on my ubuntu file server. And it's hanging in the "Installing the kernel - installing linux-server" for about 40 minutes now. Is it normal (it was almost 2 years since I did a server install)?
[06:11] <jnc> zul: regarding Xen bug #144631 - are the scripts going to be fixed, or is the issue something specific to the kernel?
[06:11] <jnc> zul: I have got past the ACPI errors and now am encountering problems with my domU's hanging on init scripts
[10:13] <jimcooncat> anyone have a link on using ebox with gutsy, please?
[15:52]  * lamont grumbles at ScottK
[15:56] <lamont> ScottK: dapper backport of 2.4 switches the poor user from sasl1 to sasl2
[16:30] <ScottK> lamont: Everyone knows backports are crack and should be avoided.
[16:31] <ScottK> Without actually being careful and stuff....
[16:49] <lamont> yeah
[16:49] <lamont> ScottK: it doesn't help that postfix just Suggests: them
[17:15] <ScottK> Well one isn't required to use SASL for anything, so suggests is appropriate.
[18:38] <jforman> i am curious, are there any packages that provide for web-based server management (other than webmin) specific for ubuntu server?
[20:44] <stephenHome> hello everyone...
[20:44] <sommer> sup
[20:44] <stephenHome> would anyone be able to point me in the direct me in settings up how to have an smtp server soley for just relaying a newsletter system?
[20:45] <stephenHome> we basically I just need a simple ubuntu-server smtp server that is just for relaying
[20:47] <sommer> stephenHome: This is a guide on Postifx:  https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/postfix.html
[20:47] <sommer> if you follow that you should be able to setup users on the local machine and they can relay using SMTP AUTH.
[20:48] <stephenHome> excellent - that statement alone actually helped clarify something for me thank you
[20:48] <stephenHome> so if I already have postfix on a current ubuntu build the smtp auth uses the local users of the linux box
[20:49] <sommer> correct
[20:49] <stephenHome> think I was making it more complicated than it really was :P
[20:50] <sommer> heh... if you're first staring out projects like that always seem big :)
[20:54] <maek> any way to somehow see pkgs sorted by install date?
[22:01] <sommer> ScottK, lamont: if you get a chance could you review this wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[22:01] <sommer> I updated it based on our converstation about chroot, sasl, and postfix earlier in the week.
[22:01] <sommer> if it looks okay to you I'll then update the "official" docs based on it.
[23:15] <nomego> hey guys
[23:16] <nomego> I'm having problems with a SSL-site for dokuwiki on gutsy server
[23:16] <nomego> when I enable it, all my ssl-sites fail
[23:16] <nomego> I don't even see an error message in the logs
[23:18] <nomego> this is the configuration for the vhost: http://pastebin.com/m47b88b42
[23:20] <nomego> any ideas?
[23:21] <lamont> sommer: understanding SASL is on my list of things to do.... I'll look forward to updating postfix based on your document... :-(
[23:27] <sommer> lamont: cool thanks lamont.