[17:52] <persia> proppy: Maybe.  I forget if libssl is annoying.
[17:53] <geser> persia: perhaps I should leave this FTBFS to someone more experienced with makefiles
[17:53] <proppy> persia: :)
[17:53] <proppy> let's name libjuce libjuce.so.0.0
[17:55] <persia> geser: The cheap & dirty solution is to create a depsmangle shell script that doesn't require bash, and pass it $(MLFILES).
[17:55] <persia> (if you just want to fix a FTBFS and don't want to make a pretty makefile)
[17:56] <persia> Alternately, you could force bash in the makefile, but that's even less preferable.
[17:56] <geser> persia: shouldn't it be enough to replace the [[ ]] with [ ] to fix the FTBFS?
[17:56] <DarkSun88> Hi
[17:58] <persia> geser: Well, you'd need to change "[[ $${deps} != "" ]]" to "[ "x$${deps}" != "x" ]" as bourne test has issues with empty strings, but it might.
[17:59] <geser> right
[18:00] <geser> persia: is it equal to "[ -z $${deps} ]"?
[18:01] <persia> geser: That's even cleaner, and yes.
[18:01] <persia> Err "[ -z "$${deps}" ]"
[18:01] <persia> As otherwise you get "[ -z  ]" which will cause make to exit.
[18:02] <nxvl_work> jdong: around?
[18:10] <afflux> persia: I'm back :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=797
[18:11] <persia> No need to hit all the channels :)
[18:14] <persia> afflux: Advocated.  Nice work.  Now your package joins the special purgatory of packages I've advocated at the top of the REVU list.
[18:16] <bluekuja> persia, the new afflux's upload needs another ack before getting uploaded right?
[18:16] <persia> bluekuja: Right.  It looks great to me.  Take a look if you have a few minutes.
[18:16] <bluekuja> persia, as far as daniel's one was done in the previously uploaded package
[18:16] <persia> bluekuja: Right.
[18:17] <bluekuja> persia, k, let me check it. I hope I won't need to leave for dinner/training
[18:17] <persia> Sometimes (rarely) there are regressions in new uploads, so the two advocations have to happen for the same upload.
[18:19] <afflux> persia: thanks for ACKing. Anyone else for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=797 ? (since dholbach is in weekend now ;))
[18:20] <bluekuja> afflux, I've started checking it, but I'm not sure I can make it for this evening (cause dinner+training)
[18:21] <geser> ajmitch: what's the status on bug #104616 or Debian bug #380825?
[18:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104616 in gnue-appserver "[apport] gnue-appserver crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104616
[18:21] <ubotu> Debian bug 380825 in gnue-common "Python transition (#2): you are building a private python module !" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/380825
[18:23] <persia> Ubulette: At long last, I've taken another look at prism.  Almost there.
[18:23] <Ubulette> persia, thanks.
[18:38] <afflux> bluekuja: no hurry ;)
[18:38] <bluekuja> afflux, ok, I'm leaving now
[18:38] <bluekuja> it's on TODO anyway
[18:38] <bluekuja> cya
[18:40] <afflux> persia: I love you :P
[18:40] <persia> afflux: What'd I do?
[18:41] <afflux> persia: advocate me, finally... ;)
[18:41] <persia> afflux: Well, you fixed everything.  Some packages get in before I find them, but you weren't so lucky :)
[18:50] <geser> afflux: do you really need python-all-dev in b-d for gdecrypt? should python be enough as you don't need any python headers or all python versions
[18:50] <persia> geser: Thanks.    What did I do?  I only said I wasn't sure it complied with the python packaging policy.
[18:54] <afflux> geser: I'll check python2.4
[18:54]  * effie_jayx takes afflux  to a healing temple and sees him resurrect
[18:55] <persia> Ubulette: Thanks.  It'll be a bit, but I should have a little time this weekend (it's late here)
[18:56] <geser> I might not but uptodate on the python policy but afaik python is enough for python apps, python-all for python modules and python-all-dev for python extensions (need python headers)
[18:57] <geser> afflux: so it will work with python-all-dev in b-d (but is more than needed)
[18:57] <afflux> persia: You asked whether there was a reason to Build-Depend on python-dev instead of python-all-dev? Since there was none (that I know), I used python-all-dev.
[18:57] <afflux> geser: okay. So, python or python-all?
[18:58] <persia> My understanding was that python-dev was python2.5 only and python-all-dev was all versions of python.  I may be mistaken.
[18:58] <persia> (aptitude makes me think I'm right, but I'm lousy with python packaging)
[18:58] <geser> python should be enough as one python version is enough (you don't need all python versions installed during build, do you?)
[18:59] <persia> Doesn't having all the pythons installed during build do something special for python-support/python-central ?
[18:59] <afflux> persia: maybe, I was really confused about python{,-all}{,-dev} ;)
[19:00] <persia> afflux: No worries.  It's confusing, and apparently I don't get it either.
[19:00] <geser> persia: afaik it's only needed for modules which install into /usr/lib/pythonX.Y/
[19:00] <geser> persia: "Some applications and pure Python modules may be able to depend only on python or python-all and not require the -dev packages." [http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ap-build_dependencies.html]
[19:00] <persia> geser: Ah.  So scripts don't need it then?
[19:00] <geser> afaik no, but I'm no python packaging guru
[19:01] <persia> geser: Isn't that the less NEW python packaging policy?  I usually point at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[19:02] <persia> Hmm.  Maybe www.d.o has caught up.  Ignore that.
[19:02] <DktrKranz> Are archive open or still waiting for Alpha 1?
[19:02] <persia> DktrKranz: It never closed
[19:03] <DktrKranz> persia, I know, but it has been told to limit uploads to packages relevent for Alpha
[19:04] <afflux> persia, geser: okay, b-d on python is linda/lintian clean, I'll upload that now.
[19:04] <persia> DktrKranz: It only matters for packages that affect the CD builds.
[19:05] <DktrKranz> persia, probably I missed that point. thanks
[19:06] <geser> DktrKranz: the freeze announcement aren't often very specific if they also apply for universe
[19:06] <geser> but during the gutsy freezes processing of universe uploads was only on manual
[19:06] <persia> DktrKranz: It wasn't clear from the ML post.  Anyway, pretty much until DIF, you can upload as much of anything as you want.  Between DIF and FF, there's a little more effort to make sure things work properly.  After FF the freezes are fairly firm, and the focus is bugs.  Further, if there is a freeze, you can upload, but it won't get applied until the freeze is over.
[19:07] <DktrKranz> well, I preferred to limit uploads to avoid problems, luckily I had not urgent packages to manage
[19:10] <afflux> persia, geser: and another one... :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=799
[19:10]  * persia is too tired to do another review tonight.
[19:13] <DktrKranz> afflux, since python-support depends on python, I think it is useless to have it listed in build-deps
[19:14] <geser> DktrKranz: afaik linda/lintian checks it
[19:15] <DktrKranz> geser, lintian/linda reports are clear
[19:15] <geser> DktrKranz: without a python b-d?
[19:15] <DktrKranz> IIRC, yes
[19:16] <geser> but imho it's better to depend on python and don't rely on other packages pulling it in
[19:18] <DktrKranz> List it in b-d does not harm, but I don't think python-support will exclude python from its dependencies. Anyway, it's not an error
[19:20] <jdong> nxvl_work: hey, got your e-mail on Azureus; I don't see any sense in merging it right now
[19:21] <jdong> nxvl_work: az 3.x requires SWT version 3.3, which in Ubuntu we derive from Eclipse 3.3
[19:21] <jdong> nxvl_work: last I heard there's people actively working on said Eclipse package already, so once that's in the merge of Azureus should be extremely trivial.
[19:22] <nxvl_work> jdong: a read something like that on LP, i send you the email to make sure of it, so if it's so, let's wait
[19:22] <jdong> nxvl_work: agreed :)
[19:23] <nxvl_work> is there any way to search ubuntu member by country?
[19:26] <geser> afflux: advocated. Please don't do any other uploads unless absolutely necessary.
[19:26] <persia> DktrKranz: About the NBS parser: could the depending package names link to their LP pages?
[19:27] <DktrKranz> persia, it's a WIP, I plan to interface it with python-apt first
[19:27] <persia> DktrKranz: OK.  I'll stop snooping for nifty-cool tools then :)
[19:28] <DktrKranz> heh
[19:28] <DktrKranz> :)
[19:28] <DktrKranz> Are NBS tracker sources available somewhere?
[19:30] <persia> DktrKranz: Frustratingly not, but the output is.
[19:30] <persia> Actually, the source might be available, but I can't see it.  Which reminds me.
[19:30] <DktrKranz> I based my script on its output
[19:30] <DktrKranz> but it's barely unfinished :)
[19:31] <persia> DktrKranz: Oh, you mean the one that generates that list?  I think it might be available.
[19:32] <DktrKranz> I mean the one who generate NBS output, probably I can find better ways to improve my *bad* script
[19:33] <geser> I assume it runs in the data center and the output is only copied to people.u.c
[19:33] <geser> DktrKranz: you might want to ask pitti
[19:34] <DktrKranz> I fear he's away now, but I'll ping when he will be online
[19:37] <persia> I think the sources aren't, as I don't see them in any of the usual places.
[19:37] <geser> DktrKranz: where are you stuck with your script?
[19:38] <persia> DktrKranz: The equivalent for Debian is available: look in the (opaque) DAK package.
[19:38] <DktrKranz> geser, http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~dktrkranz/NBS/. I'm not stuck, just I haven't found time to work on it :)
[19:39] <geser> DktrKranz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/checkrdepends might be source for it
[19:39] <persia> That looks like it takes input from somewhere else, no?
[19:40] <geser> then it's only a part of it
[19:41] <persia> That's what I thought.  Best to ask pitti on Monday
[19:58] <afflux> persia:  sorry, looks like I had a disconnect with tor. Did you say anything about gdecrypt since about 19:18 UTC?
[19:58] <DktrKranz> Lutin, mlt package requires sox-dev -> libsox-dev transition. Mind if I look at it or you plan to do some changes?
[20:00] <geser> afflux: advocated. Please don't do any other uploads unless absolutely necessary.
[20:02] <AnAnt> Hello, I made an icon-theme which is a modified version of human-icon-theme. human-icon-theme is licensed under CC, so what should the copyright my icon theme look like ?
[20:03] <Lutin> DktrKranz: planning to do some changes, I'll have a look. thanks for the heads-up :)
[20:03] <DktrKranz> Lutin, you're welcome :)
[20:03] <Lutin> DktrKranz: :)
[20:04] <MenZa> AnAnt, read the specific licence; it should say.
[20:13] <AnAnt> ok, if I have a package that contains several files, some are under GPL, some are under CC, how do I explain that in copyright file ?
[20:14] <geser> list which files are under which license
[20:15] <AnAnt> geser: can you tell me about an example package ?
[20:16] <AnAnt> geser: note that each of those files has a separate copyright holder ?
[20:16] <geser> sorry, not of my head
[20:17] <AnAnt> ok, thanks anyways
[20:17] <geser> AnAnt: I'd simply repeat the "author, copyright, licence"-block as often as needed and state to which files it applies
[20:19] <AnAnt> geser: ok, thanks
[20:39] <erable> Hi,
[20:40] <erable> I work with this package : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=725
[20:40] <erable> and I don't understand this comment "-dev needs to depend on the actual lib"
[20:42] <erable> dpkg --info libqextserialport-dev_1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | grep Depend
[20:42] <erable> return:
[20:42] <erable> Depends: libqextserialport1 (= 1.1-0ubuntu1), libqt4-dev
[20:43] <geser> apachelogger: ^^ as you added that comment
[20:44] <geser> erable: it looks ok, so I don't understand that point either
[20:44] <apachelogger> agreed
[20:44] <apachelogger> was just me being stupid
[20:44] <apachelogger> erable: sorry
[20:45] <erable> Ok ;-)
[20:45] <erable> thank you for your comments
[20:46] <apachelogger> erable: hehe, you're welcome :)
[20:46] <erable> :-)
[20:53] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[20:58] <geser> Hi TheMuso
[20:58] <apachelogger> erable: please merge the qtsmbstatus changelog lines to one: Initial release (LP: #119179)
[20:59] <apachelogger> erable: newline missing at the end of control file missing
[21:00] <erable> OK. I'll do that
[21:01] <apachelogger> erable: I think section="Applications" for .menu has been changed
[21:01] <apachelogger> not sure about that though
[21:01] <apachelogger> actually I think you can drop the .menu anyway, since everyone should be using freedesktop desktop files
[21:02] <apachelogger> that's my personal opinion though
[21:02] <apachelogger> typo in the .init: # Provides:          QtSbstatusd
[21:03] <apachelogger> erable: # Required-Start:    $smb should be samba AFAIK
[21:03] <apachelogger> cat /etc/init.d/samba | grep Provides
[21:03] <apachelogger> # Provides:          samba
[21:04] <apachelogger> erable: .pam also missing a newline at the end
[21:04] <erable> Yes, it's a generic script (sUSE USE $smb)
[21:05] <erable> ok
[21:10] <sistpoty> hi folks
[21:11] <apachelogger> erable: advocted qextserialport
[21:12] <sistpoty> persia: did you advocate sdlmame-cheat on purpose? (as you mention things to be fixed)
[21:12] <sistpoty> apachelogger: congrats to motu-ship!
[21:12] <apachelogger> sistpoty: thanks :)
[21:13] <erable> apachelogger: thanks :-)
[21:40] <Ubulette> RAOF, mozilla wants cairo 1.6 for ff3.
[21:49] <TheMuso> Did anybody request the removal of cinepaint from hardy?
[21:51] <sistpoty> dear lazyirc, I'm looking for a tool to fetch mail (just like fetchmail) via ssh from an mbox-file, any infos?
[21:52] <RAOF> Ubulette: Are they likely to get it?
[21:53] <geser> TheMuso: I only see a record in http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt but no bug for it
[21:53] <TheMuso> geser: Right.
[21:54] <TheMuso> Oh thats why.
[21:55] <TheMuso> geser: Theres no bug, because Debian removed it.
[21:56] <Ubulette> RAOF, they committed a bump to 1.5.2-55 today
[21:56] <Fujitsu> -55? That's insane!
[21:57] <Ubulette> 1.5.2-55-g39b8ddf to be precise
[21:57] <RAOF> Ubulette: What I mean is - is 1.6 likely to be released before FF3?  From what I gathered at the cairo site, the 1.5 unstable branch is pretty new.
[21:57] <geser> TheMuso: Debian removed also other packages that are still in Ubuntu
[21:58] <TheMuso> geser: Yeah I know. I was just chacing down a broken ubuntustudio metapackage thats all.
[22:00] <Ubulette> RAOF, I don't know for cairo but I doubt mozilla could even roll that back. it's too deeply merged
[22:00] <RAOF> Awkward.
[22:00] <Ubulette> ff3 b2 is nearly ready
[22:01] <RAOF> Presumably they're talking with cairo about it.
[22:01] <Ubulette> yes
[22:18] <LordKow> is the "Application" category for desktop files still being used? I thought I remember this not being the case
[22:19] <Amaranth> it was never supposed to be used, iirc it's not actually in the spec
[22:19] <geser> LordKow: iirc no, but check your desktop file with desktop-file-validate
[22:20] <LordKow> okay its Deprecated
[22:21] <LordKow> grr, we could sync this package with debian except for that one minor glitch
[22:27] <Amaranth> LordKow: If that's the only thing ignore it
[22:27] <Amaranth> LordKow: Everyone using Application in their categories anyway
[22:28] <Fujitsu> It is illegal, and anybody doing it is wrong, but it's not worth holding a delta for.
[22:29] <geser> LordKow: you could open a bug for it in Debian
[22:29] <Amaranth> This whole spec is stupid anyway so don't feel bad :P
[22:31] <LordKow> okay, what about UTF8 encoding?
[22:32] <Amaranth> that is deprecated, UTF-8 is the only encoding allowed
[22:32] <Amaranth> so it doesn't need to be there but can be
[22:32] <LordKow> okay, i'll request a sync.
[22:41] <Ubulette> !info libx264-dev hardy
[22:41] <ubotu> Package libx264-dev does not exist in hardy
[22:41] <Ubulette> !info libx264-dev gutsy
[22:41] <ubotu> libx264-dev: development files for libx264. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.svn20070309-4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 219 kB, installed size 660 kB
[22:41] <Fujitsu> sistpoty: You can drop the distros/ from LP URLs now, you know?
[22:41] <Ubulette> hmm
[22:42] <jdong> Ubulette: is there something wrong with x264?
[22:42] <norsetto> ubotu and ubulette falling in love it seems ......
[22:42]  * jdong puts on his blame-me badge
[22:43] <Ubulette> gst-plugins-bad-multiverse0.10 needs libx264-dev
[22:43] <jdong> Ubulette: which I don't know why isn't in Hardy.
[22:43] <jdong> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x264/1:0.svn20070930-0.0ubuntu1/+build/449762
[22:43] <jdong> it built on i386 5 days ago
[22:44] <Ubulette> #  Removal requested  12 hours ago.
[22:44] <jdong> huh?
[22:45] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x264/1%3A0.svn20070930-0.0ubuntu1
[22:45]  * jdong looks confusedly at that
[22:46] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x264    no hardy in there
[22:46] <Fujitsu> Did we inherit that removal from Debian?
[22:46] <jdong> why is it superseded?
[22:46] <jdong> Fujitsu: I don't think x264 was ever in Debian
[22:46] <jdong> at least not this release cycle
[22:46] <Fujitsu> jdong: I don't think it's superseded. It was directly requested to be removed.
[22:46] <Fujitsu> Otherwise you'd see `Superseded on blah'
[22:46] <jdong> Fujitsu: is there a log of who requested it?
[22:47] <Fujitsu> (From Debian) RM: RoFTPM; patent issues
[22:47] <jdong> Fujitsu: that shouldn't be applicable to our multiverse, should it?
[22:47] <Fujitsu> jdong: One would think not. Talk to an archive admin before it is properly removed.
[22:47]  * Fujitsu looks through other removals to see what shouldn't have been done.
[22:47] <jdong> hmm are any online currently?
[22:48] <Fujitsu> jdong: Most probably.
[22:48] <TheMuso> jdong, Fujitsu, I was asking similar questions about cinepaint earlier, however theres good reason why that has been removed.
[22:49] <Fujitsu> I'm glad to see cinepaint dead, right.
[22:49] <Ubulette> jdong, http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/x264.html
[22:49] <geser> we should decide what we do about the split out php5 modules (I see php5-interbase got removed)
[22:49]  * Fujitsu blinks.
[22:49] <jdong> Ubulette: correct, DEbian stopped distributing it and it went back to multimedia
[22:49] <Fujitsu> Why didn't the 7.10 removal run kill it?
[22:50] <Fujitsu> jdong: Get it blacklisted if you find an archive admin, please.
[22:50] <jdong> Fujitsu: does that mean blacklisted from removal?
[22:50] <Fujitsu> jdong: It should mean that the automatic tools (autosyncer and removals) should exclude it, I think.
[22:51] <jdong> Fujitsu: ok, gotcha, will keep eyes peeled for archivies :)
[22:51] <Ubulette> jdong, so what should I use instead ?
[22:51] <Fujitsu> I really wish the -changes lists actually showed changes, rather than just some uploads.
[22:52] <jdong> Ubulette: x264 must be restored. or I'll cry.
[22:52] <jdong> Ubulette: sit tight while we sort this out
[22:52] <jdong> Ubulette: feel free to flag down an archive admin if I don't get there first
[22:52] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Like removals as well?
[22:52] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Yes. And copies.
[22:53] <Fujitsu> And security uploads, but they're returning soon.
[22:55] <Ubulette> jdong, ok. I'll drop that from my bot queue
[22:56] <LordKow> ah crap, i cant file a sync on this for 1 reason
[22:56] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: btw: great work on security, keep going!
[22:56] <LordKow> +Exec=su-to-root -X -c gsambad
[22:56] <Fujitsu> sistpoty: Where did you discover I was doing much security stuff? The uploads aren't announced anywhere.
[22:57] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: I'm a member of motu-swat :P
[22:57] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[22:57] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[22:57] <Fujitsu> We need more people :(
[22:58] <Ubulette> hmm, my new shiny ipod is unusable in ubuntu. rhythmbox/exaile/banshee are all crashing.
[22:58] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Touch?
[22:58] <Ubulette> hipo too
[22:58] <Ubulette> nano
[22:58] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: definitely... I'm feeling guilty for not having done a security fix for ages, since I'm just out of time :(
[22:58] <Fujitsu> IIRC I saw some uploads to Hardy to support them.
[22:58] <Fujitsu> sistpoty: Most people haven't done a security fix ever.
[22:59] <DarkMageZ> Ubulette, check the libgpod site and see if they've implemented support for it. if so then rebuild libgod then your prefered player against that.
[23:00] <superm1> Ubulette, actually i've got a fair deal of stuff for gutsy to help make it work you can try
[23:00] <sistpoty> Nafallo: not most, but some... (e.g. crimsun did quite some security in the old days)
[23:00] <superm1> with the newer libgpod
[23:00] <superm1> and everything rebuild against it
[23:00] <superm1> in the ~ipod-touch ppa
[23:00] <sistpoty> s/nafallo/Fujitsu
[23:01]  * keescook hugs all the motu-swat :)
[23:01] <Fujitsu> Hey keescook.
[23:01] <keescook> heya!
[23:01] <Nafallo> sistpoty: hi :-)
[23:01] <superm1> hi keescook
[23:01] <sistpoty> hi Nafallo :)
[23:01] <sistpoty> and hi keescook:
[23:01]  * TheMuso would help with security, but he already has enough on his Ubuntu plate.
[23:02] <keescook> hai sistpoty, superm1 :)
[23:02] <Ubulette> !info libgpod hardy
[23:02] <ubotu> Package libgpod does not exist in hardy
[23:02] <superm1> Ubulette, in hardy its libgpod3
[23:02] <Ubulette> !info libgpod3 hardy
[23:02] <ubotu> libgpod3: a library to read and write songs and artwork to an iPod. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.0-3 (hardy), package size 191 kB, installed size 400 kB
[23:02] <Fujitsu> keescook: Was there any reason you didn't roll the single character fix for CVE-2006-3122 into you recent dhcp security uploads?
[23:02] <ubotu> The supersede_lease function in memory.c in ISC DHCP (dhcpd) server 2.0pl5 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (application crash) via a DHCPDISCOVER packet with a 32 byte client-identifier, which causes the packet to be interpreted as a corrupt uid and causes the server to exit with "corrupt lease uid." (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-3122)
[23:02] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: however feel free to take the lead and remove old/inactive members
[23:05] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: btw.: there is one pending request from emgent (obviously not around)... did he provide debdiffs or some stuff yet? otherwise I'll decline him.
[23:06] <Fujitsu> sistpoty: He has done a little bit of stuff, but I'm not sure. I declined somebody else a couple of days back; they hadn't done anything at all.
[23:07] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: ok, then I'll just leave him as waiting approval and you'll approve/decline him once the time has come ;)
[23:07] <Fujitsu> sistpoty: Yep.
[23:13] <TheMuso> c
[23:13] <TheMuso> ugh fingers
[23:13] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Yes, damn fingers. Best to cut them off.
[23:15] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: If only, if only.
[23:24]  * sistpoty needs to go to bed now... gn8 everyone
[23:26] <RainCT> good night
[23:32] <Ubulette> ok, i've packaged libgpod-0.6.0+svn20071126r1804, i'm gonna try that one
[23:40]  * emgent heya
[23:40] <Fujitsu> Hi emgent.
[23:43] <LordKow> bug 173155
[23:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173155 in gsambad "Please upload merge gsambad-0.1.8-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (admin)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173155
[23:44] <Fujitsu> keescook: Do you agree with Debian's unimportant assessment of CVE-2007-6131? It is marketed as just a demo script, but you never know...
[23:44] <ubotu> buttonpressed.sh in scanbuttond 0.2.3 allows local users to overwrite arbitrary files via a symlink attack on the (1) scan.pnm and (2) scan.jpg temporary files. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-6131)
[23:57] <norsetto> g'night all


[01:02] <Cimi_> nhaines: yep, in the code
[01:54] <spikeb> bah, i see the system settings are apparently staying in the session menu.
[07:53] <nhaines> Cimi_: thanks for that confirmation.  :)
[08:18] <zniavre> good morning
[08:20] <zniavre> that s amazing , unity can't starts here cause legacy nvidia drivers (173) but i can run unity inside a vbox in fullscreen ( a bit slowly but usable ...)
[08:20] <zniavre> i can not understand this situation
[10:01] <jfi> zniavre, there are more recent nvidia drivers, natty is using 270.41
[10:01] <zniavr> jfi my card is not supported by nvidia-current
[10:01] <zniavr> 13 y/o computer ....
[10:02] <jfi> so I guess you can use unity-2d
[10:04] <zniavr> yes but it's less funnyu
[10:05] <zniavr> funny*
[11:16] <tanzanux> can I change the black background of the left pane or the search apps field?
[11:18] <spikeb> Honestly, I don't know. Not easily, at any rate.
[11:58] <hyperair> are menu accelerators editable in unity?
[12:22] <akshatj> hyperair, menu accelerators?
[12:22] <hyperair> akshatj: yes, menu accelerators.
[12:22] <hyperair> akshatj: well, i've figured it out
[12:23] <hyperair> akshatj: if you set /desktop/gnome/interface/can_change_accels to true, then you get to change the menu shortcuts
[12:23] <hyperair> i'm not sure if that's supported in unity though
[12:24] <kklimonda> it's not even supported in all Gtk apps
[12:26] <hyperair> kklimonda: it is, just not saved. =p
[12:42]  * spikeb strangles wine
[12:46]  * spikeb can't get WoW to run properly when maximized under unity
[12:56] <davidcalle> kenvandine, kudos for the image uploading feature!
[15:22] <DaveDavenport> I am getting a gtk-warning when doing gtk_menu_item_set_submenu(m_item, NULL) (this is allowed given the gtk docs)  this only happens on natty.  if I look at backtrace I see it go wrong in libdbusmenu, so I was wondering if this was the global menu thingy.. (right channel btw?)
[15:29] <kklimonda> right channel, wrong hour :)
[15:30] <kklimonda> DaveDavenport: most ayatana devs don't work on weekends
[15:32] <DaveDavenport> aah I don't work during weekend, that is why I am asking it now
[15:32] <DaveDavenport> during the week I work, and I mostly get annoyed by g++ bugs
[22:27] <H4VK> hi all, regarding this bug report - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/769628
[22:28] <H4VK> I'm not sure if it is a bug or an intended feature
[22:28] <H4VK> see my comment


[03:26] <MTecknology> how is everyone?
[09:10] <faizul> hello
[10:13] <faizul> Hello, i would like to request for irc cloak
[10:14] <faizul> hello KB1JWQ are you a ham ?
[10:16] <rww> faizul: an ubuntu/* cloak?
[10:16] <faizul> yes
[10:16] <rww> faizul: are you an Ubuntu Member?
[10:16] <faizul> yes rww
[10:16] <popey> rww: faizul is
[10:16] <popey> as of 22 hours ago
[10:16] <rww> link your launchpad page, and... *pokes topyli*
[10:16] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~faizul
[10:16] <faizul> oh thanks
[10:19] <faizul> i would like to request a cloak for this nick
[10:19] <faizul> i got 2 nicks, which is piju and faizul
[10:20] <topyli> faizul: you want it for faizul, right?
[10:20] <faizul> yes
[10:20] <faizul> not for piju
[10:20] <faizul> im always to chat with ubuntu-hams on #Ubuntu-hams using piju
[10:20] <topyli> staff around? can we please have an ubuntu member cloak for faizul?
[10:21] <niko> faizul: can you group this nick to your other account first ?
[10:21] <faizul> im now looking forward to put my ham radio blog to planet.ubuntu.com
[10:21] <faizul> niko,      faizul  on network  irc.freenode.net
[10:21] <faizul>     piju on network irc.freenode.net
[10:22] <topyli> faizul: welcome to the luxurious world of ubuntu members!
[10:22] <faizul> oh thanks topyli
[10:22] <niko> faizul: yes, please, drop this one, /msg nickserv identify piju yourpass
[10:22] <niko> and /msg nickserv group
[10:22] <niko> you can group many nick under one account
[10:23] <faizul> ok
[10:23] <faizul> -NickServ- You are now identified for piju.
[10:23] <faizul> -NickServ- Nick faizul is already registered to faizul.
[10:23] <niko> you must drop faizul first :)
[10:23] <niko> > /msg nickserv help drop
[10:23] <faizul> drop ?
[10:24] <niko> yes, after that you will be able to group it to piju, which has some access
[10:24] <faizul> but i dont want a cloak for piju
[10:24] <faizul> only for this nick
[10:25] <niko> why do you need two account ?
[10:25] <faizul> piju is for ham radio chat, and faizul is for ubuntu chat
[10:25] <faizul> and my launchpad account also faizul, not piju
[10:26] <niko> hum ok
[10:26] <faizul> thanks
[10:26] <faizul> since piju already got it's own vhost
[10:26] <faizul>  /whois piju
[10:27] <niko> faizul: identify as faizul, you will be cloaked
[10:27] <faizul> niko, thanks
[10:27] <faizul> thanks all
[10:29] <topyli> thanks niko
[10:31] <rww> congrats :)
[10:38] <Sarhan> Hi
[10:39] <Sarhan> can i have a cloak?
[10:41] <rww> Sarhan: Hi Sarhan! Are you an Ubuntu Membe... meh
[11:28] <Sarhan> hi again
[11:28] <Sarhan> yes i am an ubuntu member
[11:28] <Sarhan> and also member in tunisian loco team
[11:28] <erUSUL> !nicksetup
[11:28] <erUSUL> can you post your LP url ?
[11:28] <Sarhan> ok
[11:28] <Sarhan> https://launchpad.net/~sarhanaissi
[11:31] <erUSUL> i do not see the ubuntu-members team in there... maybe you are still not added ?
[11:31] <erUSUL> !member
[11:31] <Sarhan> i will go ciao
[11:31] <Sarhan> sorry


[09:33] <guitarman_usa> so, i have a newb question, i'm writing an app with quickly and i've connected the ctrl+x accelerator to a function i've called cut_text, i've noticed that when you type ctrl+x it fires the signal from the ImageMenuItem widget, and not the widget that has the selected text to be cut.  I have about 40 Entry widgets that could all possibly have the selection that is to be cut.  Is there an easier way than iterating through all o
[14:25] <jvrbanac> mhall119, good morning! I was thinking over the weekend that we probably don't need to actually write a literal DocBook to Markdown conversion library. I was thinking that I probably can just run DocBook through an XSLT transform to HTML (since those are already written) which we can easily convert to markdown. It's not as clean as writing a straight conversion library, but it might save some time. What do you think?
[14:34] <mhall119> jvrbanac: if we have it in HTML, we can just drop that right into the page
[14:34] <mhall119> going to markdown and back doesn't help us much
[14:34] <mhall119> jvrbanac: did you see I made a juju charm?
[14:35] <jvrbanac> mhall119,  true. I didn't know if you wanted to have a more compact format. Yes I did! That is awesome! I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but it's on my list of things to do.


[19:14] <tsimonq2> It looks like with the amount of builds going, Launchpad seems to be hitting a timeout when queuing new ppc64el or riscv64 builds and failing after like 10 minutes with no log.


[00:04] <Unit193> knome: Herro?
[00:05] <knome> yes?
[00:05] <Unit193> :D
[00:05] <Unit193> So see comments about translations?  Do you have admin rights on there?  Can you look at info?  Does it not import if it's set to 'development'?
[00:06]  * Unit193 is starting to really dislike translations. :P
[00:06] <knome> i'll check
[00:06]  * Unit193 has started getting the hang of transifex, though still doesn't get the autocommits, easier than LP!
[00:06] <Unit193> Yey!
[00:07] <knome>  Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:xubuntu-docs.
[00:09] <Unit193> Hmm.
[00:10] <Unit193> Well whatever.. :/
[00:10]  * Unit193 doesn't have to care.
[00:10] <knome> well if that's the problem, i can request a one-time import
[00:11] <knome> there isn't anything that is not open on the import queue at least
[00:11] <knome>  	desktop-guide/po/desktop-guide.pot in Xubuntu Documentation vivid series
[00:11] <knome> Imported
[00:11] <knome>
[00:11] <knome> Uploaded by Pasi Lallinaho on 2015-02-15 01:50:22 EET
[00:11] <knome> are you sure it's not fixed now?
[00:11] <Unit193> Yeah, saw the queue.
[00:11] <knome> in what sizes and shapes would you like me to saw it into?
[00:11] <Unit193> Did a pull, nothing new.
[00:13] <knome> since when has this been lagging?
[00:39] <knome> off to bed. nighty and ttyl
[00:39] <Unit193> G'night.
[00:54] <bluesabre> release done, https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0/2.0.0, now to package it up :)
[03:33] <bluesabre> so many updates for the greeter packaging
[03:33] <bluesabre> >.<
[04:09] <Unit193> :D
[04:10] <bluesabre> wow, he has done a good job with the settings (gtk3 + settings manager integration!) http://i.imgur.com/TMYRS7X.png
[04:12] <Unit193> Wow indeed.
[07:05] <elfy> Unit193: that's really just :|
[07:05] <elfy> and I thought the background behind try/install was fubar as well, then I see the wallpaper is changed and isn't blue or pink :p
[07:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: wowza, the gtk3 plug is nice! the 100% tab-width is a bit funny ;)
[07:11] <elfy> hi ochosi
[07:11] <ochosi> morning elfy
[07:11] <ochosi> what background where?
[07:11] <elfy> wallpaper in vivid
[07:12] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/FhBwsI3.png
[07:13] <elfy> if you look carefully you'll see ibus in the panel too ...
[07:14] <elfy> Unit193: any idea what's causing it?
[07:14] <Unit193> elfy: Might, tried a fix a few hours ago so we'll see with the next images.
[07:15] <elfy> okey doke
[07:15] <elfy> I'll see lunchtimeish then
[07:15] <elfy> thanks
[07:17] <ochosi> ah good, the "in development" wallpaper has made it :)
[07:17] <elfy> yea:)
[07:17] <ochosi> wait, indicator-keyboard?
[07:17] <ochosi> did you install that?
[07:17] <ochosi> and indicator-datetime
[07:18] <elfy> nope - that's what I'm talking to Unit193 about
[07:18] <elfy> http://paste.openstack.org/show/7HZrBRWkuUeNOVixOTdU/
[07:18] <Unit193> Wow, someone reads me.
[07:18] <elfy> of course :)
[07:18] <ochosi> k, i see
[07:19] <ochosi> that diff reminds me a bit of 14.04.2
[07:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh was supposed to tell you, ll is up in staging, source package in /source/ on sigma.
[07:24] <Unit193> So images pop out 12:00utc?
[07:24] <elfy> a bit before iirc - round about 11:00utc
[07:29] <Unit193> Ah, 6am...
[07:29] <elfy> no - that was hours ago now :p
[07:29] <elfy> anyway - what did you do to hopefully fix?
[07:29] <Unit193> Pushed a fix to the seed.
[07:30] <elfy> ok
[07:30] <elfy> I see
[07:30] <elfy> it's going to be one of those days is it ;)
[07:32] <Unit193> Also, should have light-locker to pull from a PPA.
[07:33] <ochosi> well, if it's really lightdm that is at fault then i guess it's going to be an easy fix
[07:33] <Unit193> What makes you think lightdm?
[07:33] <ochosi> Unit193: as you're not in release, i
[07:33] <ochosi> 'll repeat it here :)
[07:34] <ochosi> lightdm's debian/control file contains this line "unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | lightdm-kde-greeter"
[07:34] <elfy> ochosi: he is in there
[07:34] <ochosi> while it should say "lightdm-gtk-greeter"
[07:34] <ochosi> oh, he is?
[07:34] <Unit193> ochosi: That's not the problem.  gtk provides lightdm-greeter.
[07:34] <ochosi> weird, why did my autocomplete fail then
[07:34] <elfy> yea - he's daleksec ...
[07:35] <ochosi> awwwh, man
[07:35] <ochosi> that's just annoying
[07:35] <elfy> at least when I'm goblin, I'm goblin everywhere :D
[07:49] <ochosi> Unit193: would be cool if you could step in and enlighten darkst and seb if you know more than us
[07:50] <Unit193> Wasn't looking.  I'm eating cookies. :(
[07:50] <Unit193> And, don't know for sure, but we'll see.
[07:50] <ochosi> anyway, i think they're figuring it out on their own already
[07:51] <DalekSec> Seed issues, shouldn't happen but oh well.
[07:51] <Unit193> Or, chances might be.
[07:51] <ochosi> talking to yourself..? :)
[07:52] <Unit193> You, cupcake.
[07:52] <ochosi> hehe
[07:52]  * ochosi likes it when Unit193 or DalekSec call him cupcake
[07:53] <ochosi> (or at least i prefer it to "sir")
[07:53] <Unit193> hah, weeeird preferences there, man.
[07:57] <elfy> heh
[07:58] <elfy> you get used to that 'sir' business from there - sometimes it's 'dear' and sometimes it is both 'dear sir'
[08:00] <ochosi> one step at a time, next would be "sir cupcake"
[08:04] <Unit193> Yes, babe.
[08:42] <elfy> Unit193: what are you using to show those diffs?
[08:43] <Unit193> diff?
[08:44] <elfy> http://paste.openstack.org/show/7HZrBRWkuUeNOVixOTdU/
[08:45] <elfy> oic - just diff
[08:50] <elfy> so nvm - because that's obviously not *just* diff if you ask me
[09:50] <Unit193> elfy: Why not?
[09:51] <elfy> not pretty colours :(
[09:51] <elfy> lol
[09:51] <Unit193> pastebinit -f diff
[09:52] <elfy> aah k - thanks
[09:52] <Unit193> Sure.
[09:53] <elfy> was looking for something to use locally rather than pasting - hence my confusion :D
[10:21] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, unless you strongly disagree, I'm going to give my ok to https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/249768
[10:28] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: if i understand this correctly, that means that translations that are only 70% complete will also be included?
[10:28] <knome> ochosi, ja
[10:29] <slickymasterWork> exactly, currently it will potential mean that we'll ship two - three idioms other then the two were already shipping
[10:29] <knome> 122 responses on our survey
[10:30] <knome> more than half still consider themselves power users
[10:30] <knome> 6 use the accessibility options in xubuntu
[10:30] <knome> which is interesting, because i don't know exactly what those would be
[10:30] <knome> 39% use xubuntu for software development, so i'm not sure if we still have a descriptive sample...
[10:31] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: i saw you discussed this with others already in the channel, i don't disagree with you (despite not having a good idea of the status quo of docs-translations), anyway i trust you on this
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> ok
[10:31] <knome> also, 28 people want to know more about contributing to xubuntu
[10:31] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: let's hope it's a good incentive for ppl to contribute to docs translations
[10:31] <knome> now that we've asked that, we might want to consider how do we contact them :)
[10:32] <slickymasterWork> didn't they left an email?
[10:32] <ochosi> hehe
[10:32] <knome> ochosi, at least it gives me more time to slack off until fi is dropped ;P
[10:32] <ochosi> yeah, secret recruiting routine ;)
[10:32] <knome> slickymasterWork, sure, but that's just half of the story
[10:32] <knome> who sends them email
[10:32] <knome> what do they say
[10:34] <slickymasterWork> just a generic text emphasizing what is the regular process to start to contribute, iei, areas and ways to do it
[10:34] <knome> well my idea is that since they came to the form, filled it, and specifically wanted to know more... it would be nice to be not a generic one :P
[10:35] <brainwash> bluesabre, greeter 2.0 has no transparency effects (panel and login window corners). it also loads the default background first and then fades to the user one, but that's maybe intentional
[10:35] <knome> but of course it needs to be a preset one, we don't know about their preferences
[10:36] <slickymasterWork> yeah
[10:36] <knome> but it would be nice if it was something else than something from the website
[10:36] <knome> or we can test them with some new stuff
[10:36] <slickymasterWork> new stuff?
[10:36] <knome> like /getinvolved/teams/ on the staging server
[10:37] <slickymasterWork> I see, that could be a good idea
[10:38] <knome> even if i say myself, that's a fantastic idea
[10:38] <knome> got to go now though
[10:38] <knome> bbl, hf :)
[10:38] <slickymasterWork> you too knome
[10:39] <knome> will try to..
[10:39] <knome> ->
[11:04] <ochosi> brainwash: simple-scan is fine
[11:04] <ochosi> let's take this over here
[11:05] <ochosi> obviously it's x/ubuntu specific
[11:06] <brainwash> yeah
[11:07] <brainwash> I noticed that I have evince installed and not evince-gtk, not sure if that matters
[11:07] <brainwash> ok, it doesn't
[11:10] <bluesabre> brainwash: I think ochosi needs to patch greybird for the greeter 2.0
[11:11] <bluesabre> and I think the initial bg transitiion is intentional... eases default (plymouth-like) background -> user background
[11:11] <ochosi> i do?
[11:11] <bluesabre> I remember andrew p. mentioning something about it way way way way way way back
[11:11] <ochosi> humm :)
[11:12] <ochosi> guess i'll have to either read the source again or try to launch gtk-inspector in the greeter
[11:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: if you add "allow-debugging=true" to the greeter config, you can use gtk-inspector
[11:14] <brainwash> bluesabre, the fade effect is nice, but not needed is some cases (when relogging, or when the plymouth boot screen is not working properly). maybe it could be made configurable
[11:14] <ochosi> oh noes, not more configurability
[11:14] <ochosi> just look at what unity-greeter is doing
[11:16] <brainwash> I'll disable it on my local machine then
[11:16] <brainwash> it's a small thing, but it somehow annoys me :)
[11:16] <ochosi> as long as we don't get many bugreports about stuff like this, let's not touch it
[11:17] <bluesabre> user-background=false or transition-type=none or transition-duration=0
[11:17] <brainwash> heh, you can configure it already?
[11:18] <ochosi> well yes, but you can't configure *when* the transition should happen
[11:18] <ochosi> so different scenarios like boot vs. logout/lock are not accounted for (and shouldn't be as separate options, that just makes everything too confusing)
[11:18] <ochosi> anyway, off for lunch
[11:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: i added a workitem for myself to update greybird btw
[11:19] <elfy> hi bluesabre brainwash
[11:20] <brainwash> hey elfy
[11:21] <brainwash> ochosi, bluesabre: I did not take a look at the updated .conf file, so I missed the new options
[11:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, thanks
[11:21] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[11:21] <brainwash> the xubuntu-default-settings greeter conf needs to be updated
[11:21] <bluesabre> yeah, will get to it shortly
[11:21] <bluesabre> (today/tomorrow)
[11:21] <brainwash> great :)
[11:22] <elfy> Unit193: new image - looks no different - still ibus etc
[11:22] <ochosi> humm, the unlock button also doesn't seem to have the "default button" look anymore
[11:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: if you get a list of issues together, I can probably patch the greeter for a quick 2.0.1 tonight
[11:25] <bluesabre> or create a single bug for "theming issues"
[11:25] <ochosi> yup, i'll take a look, maybe i'll also address it in greybird
[11:26] <ochosi> those things can usually be fixed two ways
[11:27] <ochosi> brainwash: wanna create a bugreport for evince and link it to v-bugs?
[11:27] <ochosi> gotta run, ttyl
[11:28] <elfy> bluesabre: you likely to set meeting before beta?
[11:29] <bluesabre> hm
[11:29] <bluesabre> does this time on Wednesday work for you, elfy?
[11:29] <elfy> that'll be this week in case you're not date sure :p
[11:30] <bluesabre> (this hour)
[11:30] <elfy> absolutely anytime this week - holiday all week :)
[11:30] <bluesabre> great
[11:30] <elfy> hopefully we'll even have a vivid image that's ours by then
[11:35] <bluesabre> Scheduled
[11:38] <bluesabre> elfy: where do I add it to the google calendar again?
[11:39] <elfy> ummm
[11:40] <elfy> google calendar
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, "The next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday 23rd of Jan 2015 11:00"
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> ?!
[11:40] <bluesabre> what?
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> 2016 ;)
[11:40] <elfy> looks right on wiki
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> you mail to the ML
[11:40] <bluesabre> dang it
[11:40] <bluesabre> bad ML
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> * your
[11:41] <slickymasterWork> lol
[11:43] <elfy> bluesabre: did calendar
[11:43] <bluesabre> elfy: thanks
[12:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: do you want to begin the motu hunt while I'm out today?
[12:34] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/+bug/1295405
[12:34] <bluesabre> See my last comment
[12:37] <knome> why two?
[12:38] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[12:38] <knome> ok
[12:38] <bluesabre> "Two MOTUs must advocate the package."
[12:38] <knome> i've poked Mirv
[12:39] <knome> i really should make a list of people i "know" for my sue
[12:39] <knome> *use
[12:39] <bluesabre> :)
[12:39] <bluesabre> I wonder if Logan would be willing to sign off on it as well
[12:39] <bluesabre> :)
[12:40] <bluesabre> If I was quicker, could have asked micahg last night
[12:40] <bluesabre> but hadn't started the packaging yet :\
[12:42] <knome> that's okay
[12:42] <knome> we'll find the motus
[12:46] <knome> what else people we might need than ~motu and ~ubuntu-core-dev?
[12:47] <bluesabre> that should be it... once its uploaded we can move it into the seed and packageset
[12:47] <knome> i mean generally, not in this case :)
[12:47] <bluesabre> knome: when is the translations deadline?
[12:47] <bluesabre> because currently it only has ru
[12:48]  * knome opens the release schedule for bluesabre
[12:48] <bluesabre> :P
[12:48] <knome> march 19
[12:48] <knome> is the doc string freeze
[12:48]  * bluesabre runs to the shower to get ready for work
[12:48] <bluesabre> ok
[12:48] <knome> april 9 is the deadline for *translations*
[12:48] <knome> so still good time
[12:48] <knome> uifreeze is march 12, subject to some docs stuff
[12:49] <knome> like the installer slideshow
[12:51] <slickymasterWork> less than a month :P
[12:51] <knome> the ui freeze, sure
[12:51] <knome> but generally we are not in a huge rush yet
[12:51] <slickymasterWork> :)
[13:05] <andrew_the_p> hi all
[13:05] <knome> hello
[13:08] <andrew_the_p> bluesabre: the simpest (at the current moment) way to fix greybird - adding something like "#screen.lightdm-gtk-greeter {background: transparent;}" somewhere in lightdm-gtk-greeter.css
[13:08] <bluesabre> andrew_the_p: thanks!
[13:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^
[13:09] <knome> pleia2, ping me when you're around. we need to talk about the policies for incoming messages @xubuntu-contacts
[13:09] <bluesabre> andrew_the_p: working on getting settings into ubuntu this week :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/+bug/1295405
[13:09] <bluesabre> you've done a fantastic job with those, and the xfce integration is a nice bit of flair ;)
[13:10] <bluesabre> gotta run to work now, bbl
[13:10] <knome> i like the progress that stuff has been getting lately, both in the xubuntu "in-house" developments, xfce stuff, their ingtegration and much more
[13:10] <knome> ++ for bluesabre and others who have worked on those :)
[13:11] <elfy> I can ++ that too :)
[13:11] <knome> i'll top that off with chocolate cookies for everybody
[13:11] <knome> IRL too if you happen to be around helsinki :)
[13:12] <elfy> :)
[13:19] <andrew_the_p> thx, and about crossfade in greeter: its behavior will be slightly changed in future versions. Some things must be done before it.
[13:20] <brainwash> ochosi, bug 1422354
[13:25] <elfy> we don't use that - evince-gtk works fine here
[13:27] <brainwash> elfy, it does? maximize the window
[13:49] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/MLI323P.png
[13:54] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, Atril is an option 😉
[13:54] <elfy> wut?
[13:56] <brainwash> well, nice titlebar
[13:59] <elfy> oic
[13:59] <elfy> evince works :)
[13:59] <elfy> titlebar is titlebar
[14:01] <brainwash> I did test evince-gtk and it was missing too on my system
[14:01] <elfy> mmm
[14:01] <brainwash> and ochosi can confirm it
[14:01] <brainwash> and the source code says that it should be hidden when maximized
[14:02] <ochosi> elfy: what version of xfwm4 is that?
[14:02] <elfy> ok - can see the fail in the failing daily
[14:03] <elfy> 4.11.3-0ubuntu1
[14:03] <ochosi> yeah 4.11.3 is the version that exposes the problem
[14:06] <elfy> so why do I have a working version
[14:08] <elfy> mind you I'm not surprised - I still appear to have dodgy scrollbars in things even after purging that PPA
[14:10] <ochosi> right, slightly messed up install maybe ;)
[14:10] <ochosi> i wouldn't give it too much thought, the problem in evince is well confirmed and explained
[14:10] <ochosi> and there's a patch, so soon you won't be the only one with a working version
[14:10] <elfy> entirely possible messed up
[14:10] <brainwash> only affects Xfce though, just tested with lubuntu, mate and co
[14:35] <ochosi> brainwash: i suggest you do a MR directly with that patch and i'll follow up with seb128 on that
[15:25] <knome> bbl
[15:42] <elfy> ochosi: so - who should we ping about the fubar vivid images ?
[15:42] <elfy> any idea?
[15:43] <ochosi> elfy: fubar images?
[15:43] <ochosi> what again now?
[15:44] <ochosi> ah... you mean because of the messed up depends pulling in unity?
[15:44] <elfy> vivid with unity settings and greeter and ibus
[15:44] <elfy> yea
[15:46] <ochosi> hmm good question
[15:46] <ochosi> i'm not really sure to be honest
[15:49] <ochosi> pinged Laney again, since he seemed willing to help with 14.04.2
[15:49] <ochosi> we'll see what comes of it
[15:49] <elfy> yep saw that - thanks
[15:51] <ochosi> well thanks for the reminder, we really need to resolve this asap
[15:52] <elfy> yea, I'll try and spend a bit of time getting my head around it
[15:52] <elfy> beta arrives next monday/tuesday
[16:17] <ochosi> elfy: so Laney kinda suggested we should ping infinity
[16:17] <ochosi> so let's do that then
[16:18] <elfy> I did - before you were talking to darkxst
[16:20] <ochosi> yeah, but that was already a few days ago
[16:21] <elfy> no - it was this morning at 07:06UTC :)
[16:21] <ochosi> oh :)
[16:21] <ochosi> in that case i guess we can give it some time
[16:23] <elfy> I think he is in the far east or something atm - so timezones even worse :)
[16:47] <PaulW2U> elfy: hi, sorry, only just seen your "hi" in ubuntu+1 :)
[16:48] <elfy> :)
[16:48] <PaulW2U> Don't like the new wallpaper. Is that for keeps? I prefer 14.10's.
[16:50] <elfy> I'm not really sure what goes on over in the arty department ;)
[16:51] <ochosi> well this is the "in development" wallpaper that we'll be using each release from now on until there is a final wallpaper
[16:51] <ochosi> that is to visually indicate "you are using a development version, if you break your thumb because you have to type so much to fix all bugs/problems, we're not at fault"
[16:52] <elfy> oh - news to me - but fairly logical :)
[16:52] <PaulW2U> so Xubuntu will remain blue (-ish) ?
[16:52] <ochosi> very likely
[16:52] <PaulW2U> \o/
[16:53] <ochosi> either way, changing the wallpaper/theme really isn't a big deal...
[16:56] <flexiondotorg_> bluesabre, ochosi, elfy, ali1234 - Just you're aware- http://paste.mate-desktop.org/podvawj9x
[16:57] <ochosi> luckily most of our stuff uses xfconf
[16:57] <ochosi> but thanks for the heads up, i read it in #u-devel too btw ;)
[17:02] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, Just letting you guys know. I suspect there is other "old" GNOME apps that are affected. Not sure what you ship in Xubuntu but if you encounter weirdness, you know what it is.
[17:02] <ochosi> indeed
[17:27] <bluesabre> hey all
[17:27] <elfy> hi bluesabre :)
[17:29] <ranu> hi :)
[17:30] <elfy> confusing myself trying to work out why all these messed up depends we've got
[17:36] <bluesabre> sounds like an exciting task
[17:40] <elfy> even more so when it's all double dutch to me ...
[17:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: woot, what are you doing around here at this hour??
[17:51] <bluesabre> snow
[17:51] <bluesabre> so much snow
[17:51] <ochosi> also, the greeter-settings build seems to have failed (says Mirv), which is why i haven't pursued that any further
[17:51] <ochosi> sweet
[17:51] <bluesabre> yup
[17:51] <bluesabre> fixing now
[17:57] <ochosi> btw, do you know of any apps that could be affected by the gsettings problem that was mentioned by flexiondotorg_?
[17:57] <ochosi> (cause i personally don't)
[18:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: light-locker, for one
[18:02] <bluesabre> but it does not seem to be affected
[18:02] <bluesabre> mugshot and catfish also use gsettings
[18:02] <bluesabre> but don't seem to be affected
[18:04] <elfy> giving up - really confused now ...
[18:05] <brainwash_> unity 1 - elfy 0
[18:05] <elfy> well I'd go further than just unity :p
[18:05] <brainwash_> :D
[18:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, already checked light-locker
[18:05] <elfy> packages 1 - elfy 0 :D
[18:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think this is only a problem for oldish apps, of which we don't ship many
[18:06] <elfy> brainwash_: I ended up at indicator-keyboard somehow
[18:19] <brainwash_> elfy, it's a nightmare :)
[18:23] <brainwash_> bug 1292290 gets bumped regularly with useless comments or status updates, but there is no one to verify the SRU :/
[18:25] <elfy> yep and eventually someone will ask why it's not been fixed yet
[18:37] <ochosi> brainwash_: have you actively tried to find people to verify it outside of this channel?
[18:39] <brainwash_> I will have to try that
[19:12] <pleia2> knome: I won't be around much until Sunday or so
[19:12] <elfy> hi pleia2 - have fun :)
[19:14] <pleia2> elfy: hey :) thanks
[19:19] <bluesabre> ochosi: care to test https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings ?
[19:20] <bluesabre> just looking for a second confirmation before requesting motu and archive admin eyes
[19:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: will do in about 30mins, just have to finish something real quick
[19:24] <bluesabre> k
[19:34] <bluesabre> brainwash_: I now have exo access, will handle this patch today https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504
[19:48] <bluesabre> brainwash_: and done
[19:50] <brainwash_> bluesabre, great. I'll try to re-test it later
[19:50] <brainwash_> to make sure that everything works
[19:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: be sure to test
[19:51] <bluesabre> (greeter-settings)
[20:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: getting ready to test now...
[20:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, I've started pinging :)
[20:21] <ochosi> ok :)
[20:21] <bluesabre> it works for me, at least
[20:22] <ochosi> that's a good start :)
[20:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: wowza and ouch
[20:24] <bluesabre> oh god
[20:24] <ochosi> don't use that with a theme in your home folder :D
[20:24] <ochosi> otherwise you'll get the root fallback theme
[20:24] <bluesabre> silly ochosi
[20:24] <ochosi> hehe
[20:24] <bluesabre> use greybird or numix :P
[20:25] <bluesabre> (we'll fix that in 1.1.1
[20:25] <bluesabre> )
[20:25] <ochosi> not knowing what it is, that button looks scary without a tooltip: http://i.imgur.com/drZTLyx.png
[20:25] <ochosi> (will it remove the item..?)
[20:26] <ochosi> i know now what it is, because i clicked
[20:26] <ochosi> but i think a tooltip might be helpful
[20:28] <ochosi> ouch
[20:28] <ochosi> now i updated some settings, locked the session and got a white screen that was constantly repainted
[20:28] <ochosi> (i.e. flickering mouse cursor)
[20:28] <ochosi> i guess restarting shouldn't be needed, should it?
[20:28] <bluesabre> shouldn't be
[20:28] <bluesabre> sounds like you're exposing some nice greeter bugs
[20:29] <bluesabre> but overall, the settings works, right?
[20:30] <ochosi> well i can't say
[20:30] <ochosi> because the whitescreen never recovered
[20:30] <ochosi> lemme quickly save my work and then i'll give it another try
[20:31] <sidi> wrapping up what's being told right now in #xfce-dev, there won't be a RC for Xfce 4.12
[20:31] <sidi> you should test the latest 4.11 components instead, if willing to do some last minute testing
[20:31] <sidi> Xfwm just had a release, settings is following
[20:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: i like it when sidi gives us a heads up! (:
[20:31] <bluesabre> I hear an echo
[20:32] <sidi> rofl.
[20:32] <sidi> some people here are not on #xfce-dev ;P
[20:32] <sidi> and those people are the people doing the testing for Xub :p
[20:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, i'll quickly reboot and then test again
[20:32] <bluesabre> fair enough :)
[20:33] <bluesabre> ochosi, a simple switch between two system-wide themes would have been sufficient for me :P
[20:33] <bluesabre> (for now, approaching FF as we are)
[20:36] <ochosi> ok, now it works
[20:36] <ochosi> the reboot has fixed everything
[20:36] <ochosi> could be that i just updated greeter, lightdm and the settings app without rebooting
[20:36] <ochosi> maybe that wasnt such a swell idea...
[20:36] <bluesabre> living dangerously
[20:37] <bluesabre> want to comment on the bug that you tested the package and it works for you?
[20:37] <ochosi> already on it
[20:37] <bluesabre> I subbed ubuntu-sponsors after my last comment to set this up to notify >:)
[20:37] <ochosi> greeter development was always dangerous ;)
[20:44] <elfy> sidi: thanks for showing some of the kindness of telling us things that others in here just assume we know :p
[20:45] <elfy> s/showing some of us
[20:45] <ochosi> well, we'd have told you on time though ;)
[20:46] <elfy> :)
[20:46] <ochosi> for now it seemed a bit like "no news"
[20:46] <elfy> ha
[20:46] <sidi> elfy, you're welcome :p
[20:46] <ochosi> we've all been guinea-pigs for 4.11 all along, so i have no idea what else we could do to test it more
[20:47] <sidi> ochosi, that's quite true
[20:47] <sidi> but
[20:47] <sidi> it'd be good to have people do a clean install
[20:47] <sidi> just to check the xfconf keys we ship by default
[20:47] <ochosi> right, but the thing is that the xubuntu team is already doing quite a lot of testing...
[20:48] <ochosi> this sort of clean install you're referring to (vanilla xfce) is something you should contact the arch users about ;)
[20:48] <slickymaster> Unit193, https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/249768 approved and merged
[21:01] <ochosi> folks, all the help links seem to be broken in vivid's settings manager, can you confirm that?
[21:02] <slickymaster> I'll just be able to tomorrow ochosi :P
[21:02] <elfy> works here - but as we worked out ... bit broken - booting vm
[21:04]  * slickymaster wanders to see how's his fish going
[21:04] <elfy> round and round looking out the glass
[21:04] <elfy> or frying ...
[21:04] <ochosi> :)
[21:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: broken in what way?
[21:05] <elfy> ochosi: vm - tried 4 or 5 helps - all work
[21:05] <bluesabre> there is an issue with firefox 35+ in vivid that links don't open
[21:05] <elfy> really? 35 worked when I had it
[21:06] <bluesabre> maybe just 36 then
[21:06] <elfy> 36 failed badly - had to go back, but there was only 34 available by then :|
[21:06] <bluesabre> yup
[21:06] <bluesabre> :'(
[21:06] <elfy> yea - I could ack that for sure :)
[21:06] <elfy> yea ... though I actually only noticed from inside (he)xchat
[21:07] <ochosi> oh
[21:07] <ochosi> hm, so maybe it's ff then
[21:08] <bluesabre> if ff opens at your home screen, then most likely
[21:08] <elfy> if that's what you're seeing I would think so
[21:08] <elfy> bluesabre: I got - click link - ff opens new instance at 'home' iirc
[21:08] <bluesabre> yup
[21:08] <ochosi> yeah, got that too
[21:09] <elfy> ochosi: panic ye not :)
[21:10] <ochosi> ok ok
[21:10]  * ochosi calms himself down
[21:33] <knome> pleia2, that's fine
[21:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: indeed, help works fine with chromium
[21:36]  * ochosi shakes his fist at firefox
[21:37] <knome> silly ochosi, being mad at software :)
[21:37] <bluesabre> firefox protects your privacy by not letting you access the internet while drunk
[21:37] <bluesabre> or sober
[21:38] <knome> well it should if you're a jerk like ochosi...
[21:38]  * knome hides
[21:38] <elfy> hello knome
[21:38] <knome> elfy, i can't talk, i'm hiding
[21:38] <knome> oops
[21:38] <knome> :P
[21:38] <elfy> lol
[21:39] <elfy> balloons is as good
[21:39] <knome> good in what?
[21:39] <elfy> hiding
[21:39] <knome> :)
[22:20] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i think we have a "job opening" for you... :)
[22:20] <elfy> slickymaster: remember https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1404275/+merge/245201
[22:21] <elfy> bug is not invalid now :)
[22:22] <elfy> \o/
[22:22] <elfy> can I go now ochosi :p
[22:22] <ochosi> which bug is not invalid now?
[22:22] <elfy> testcase one - still no need to panic :)
[22:22] <elfy> big 1404275
[22:23] <elfy> sigh
[22:23] <elfy> bug 1404275
[22:23] <knome> big big
[22:24] <elfy> enormous
[22:24] <elfy> fix the little bugs and the big big's are so big - they'll get left
[22:24] <ochosi> :)
[22:25] <elfy> ochosi: I'm getting a bit itchy re 14.04.2 - if we only get the chance to do some quick smoketests to prove install - what's your opinion on that?
[22:26] <ochosi> how many days are left now?
[22:26] <elfy> not including the 2 hours left today - 3
[22:29] <ochosi> k
[22:29] <ochosi> i'd say we continue to ping infinity
[22:30] <ObrienDave> which test case do you need help with the most?
[22:30] <slickymaster> elfy: I'll review it tomorrow
[22:34] <elfy> ochosi: mmm - let's not all do that - given that I'm sure wxl will be doing it as well :)
[22:34] <elfy> slickymaster: okey doke - thanks
[23:29] <elfy> ochosi: if you don't notice -release often - check now and you'll see what I meant :)
[23:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can you refresh and upload xubuntu-meta?
[23:32] <Unit193> slickymaster: Thanks for the comments!
[23:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: it's time?
[23:32] <Unit193> I'd say so.
[23:33] <elfy> Unit193: did you catch the image still being fubar?
[23:33] <Unit193> elfy: Yeah, hoping this might help.
[23:34] <ochosi> elfy: i actually read it, mr release manager ;)
[23:34] <Unit193> Otherwise, will have to try and revert some changes.
[23:34] <elfy> ok Unit193 - as soon as I know the new one's there I'll sync it and check it here
[23:35] <elfy> ochosi: ha - don't know if you've got things set to ping you there or not :)
[23:35] <elfy> I shall now wander off until Friday and see how the other 2 in release team did :D
[23:35] <Unit193> bluesabre: Of course take a look at the changelog and make sure nothing too odd.
[23:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: looks good for now
[23:36] <bluesabre> :)
[23:36] <elfy> Unit193: at some point if you could point me at 'what' and 'where' you look to see what this sort of issue could be - I'd love to know
[23:37] <elfy> especially if you're going to be doing more 'other' stuff here
[23:37] <elfy> just not today ;)
[23:38] <slickymaster> at you service Unit193 ;)
[23:38] <elfy> which might be completely a non-starter, but if I can lessen *our* load somehow - always good
[23:42] <elfy> ochosi: so I've never brought this up as a bug nor reported, because just assumed - apps, run some qt thing - clementine for example
[23:42] <knome> bluesabre, want me to ping Mirv again tomorrow?
[23:42] <elfy> change them - it changes, change them - it doesn't - fails to see theme change second time - needs reboot
[23:43] <ochosi> elfy: but generally it applies the theme the first time?
[23:43] <ochosi> needs reboot or restart of the app/s?
[23:43] <elfy> yep - clementine has numix - even though changed back to greybird
[23:43] <ochosi> right
[23:43] <elfy> nope - only restart
[23:43] <ochosi> i guess there's not much we can do about that...
[23:44] <ochosi> that used to be a problem wth gtk3 as well
[23:44] <ochosi> but they fixed it
[23:44] <elfy> ok - this is why I've not bothered mentioning it :)
[23:44] <ochosi> i'd say it's very low priority
[23:44] <elfy> assumed QT
[23:44] <ochosi> yeah
[23:44] <elfy> yea yea
[23:44] <ochosi> qt or the gtk-qt interaction
[23:45] <bluesabre> knome: sure, and I'll reach out to a few others in the morning
[23:45] <bluesabre> thanks
[23:45] <elfy> the trolltech thing we did a short while ago at least meant I didn't need to do any more than install tbh
[23:45] <knome> bluesabre, oki, i'll do that when i woke up or sth :D
[23:45] <bluesabre> great


[13:29] <LeoNerd> Hrm. How do I commit the removal of a single file, in the presence of other local changes?
[13:29] <LeoNerd> bzr ci that-one-file  complains that the path isn't versioned
[13:30] <LeoNerd> I suppose I can just temporarily shelve out everything -else-, commit, then unshelve. Feels a bit roundabout though


[12:22] <tvo> Riddell: qt-copy/patches/0032-...diff patch does works only half
[12:23] <tvo> programs maximize is ok, but panel is still in middle of screen
[12:23] <tvo> s/does//
[12:23] <tvo> that's the one from kde svn
[12:25] <Riddell> tvo: mildy unnerving that
[12:27] <tvo> Riddell: and I can't check the old versions of that file thru websvn, it keeps giving me a "ViewCvs Exception"
[12:28] <tvo> so I've no clue what they look like
[12:28] <Riddell> yeah, websvn doesn't like stuff from before cvs conversion, webcvs should work
[12:28] <tvo> ah ok let me check that
[12:32] <tvo> revision 1.4 is the first small one, before that they're all like the gentoo one but slightly diffferent
[12:33] <Riddell> well if it's good enough for gentoo...
[12:33] <tvo> yeah :) it was pretty recent too
[12:34] <tvo> 03/2005
[12:35] <tvo> no that's just the webpage, it's the 2003 patch
[12:35] <tvo> rev 1.1 in kde was 2003 too
[12:36] <Riddell> hmm, adding 2 year old patches that KDE has replaced doesn't seem like a good idea
[12:37] <Riddell> what's the URL to the patch again?
[12:38] <tvo> http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff
[12:39] <Riddell> same as mandrake uses http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches/Mandrake/10.2/qt3-3.3.4-5mdk/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff
[12:41] <tvo> yup
[12:41] <Riddell> I'll compile it and if it doesn't break I'll upload it :)
[12:42] <tvo> ok, cool - it didn't break for me :)
[12:45] <tvo> it's revision 1.2 in kde repo's to be exact
[12:46] <tvo> sorry, 1.3 - 1.2 isn't a toplevel patch
[12:50] <tvo> g'night- need some sleep:)
[08:09] <pef> hello
[11:16] <pef> allee: hi, I've uploaded the last (I hope) correction of my package http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=341
[11:25] <jpatrick> ping allee
[11:40] <allee> pef: hi, I just got my REVU upl/rev account.  I'm quite busy right now.  I'll have a look later.
[11:40] <allee> jpatrick: just ask, and I'll anwser later if I can
[11:40] <jpatrick> I can't make dh_make work
[11:41] <jpatrick> says I should go to the sources fodler and I am there
[03:21] <jpatrick> Can I help with docs?
[05:32] <pef> re
[05:49] <allee> hi pef.
[05:49] <pef> allee: hi
[05:49] <allee> do you use kvpnc with cisco?
[05:50] <pef> no
[05:50] <allee> ah, pitty but not your fault ;)
[05:50] <pef> you have problems with ?
[05:53] <allee> did got it working a year ago (but I'm sure it was my fault ;)
[05:54] <allee> cisco vpn is used in another insitute my users visite regularity and I can't test here.  Always a pain
[05:55] <allee> now i'm plan to switch my users to kubuntu and give kvpnc another try
[06:02] <pef> allee: there is no patents issues with the cisco vpn protocol ?
[06:07] <allee> I've read it's possible with free software.  But one had to crash a key ;)
[06:08] <allee> Old method was unsecure and therefore replaced.  No idea how it works now.  That's why I asked if maybe you use it ;)
[06:11] <allee> pef: bye have to leave.
[07:14] <pef> bye !
[08:15] <jpatrick> anyone here?
[08:57] <jpatrick> can anyone point me to what I can do to help with the docs?
[10:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: froud is your man to ask
[10:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: not on the channel just now though
[11:20] <jpatrick> okay Riddell


[18:35] <c7p> hello all :)
[18:40] <godbyk> Hey, c7p
[18:41] <c7p> how is it going ?
[18:45] <Infosoft> Hey godbyk! Somehow I didn't noticed you were online :) / Hello c7p
[18:45] <c7p> hi Infosoft
[18:45] <Infosoft> Who could make the last Lithuanian screenshot? I don't have a Bluetooth adapter. :/
[18:46] <Infosoft> Neither other translators do :/
[18:46] <c7p> i could :P
[18:46] <c7p> i have an adapter, i can boot from quickshots live cd and do the job
[18:47] <c7p> but is the server up ?
[18:47] <godbyk> c7p: I don't think the live cd will work anymore since it's using the old server (which isn't working at the moment).
[18:47] <godbyk> unless they've made a new live cd that uses the new server..
[18:48] <Infosoft> Quickshot is working. The only way to work with it is to save qsproj file on the desktop and then to run it with new Quickshot version
[18:48] <Infosoft> But there's no new LiveCD
[18:49] <Infosoft> For some reasons Quickshot was unable to get qsproj file from the specified URL
[18:49] <Infosoft> However URL was correct
[18:50] <godbyk> jenkins said he'd try to get quickshot packaged up this weekend and put in the ppa.
[18:50] <godbyk> flan's been insanely busy at work.
[18:50] <c7p> i can install the quickshot on a typical live cd session and use it, right ?
[18:50] <Infosoft> c7p: yes
[18:51] <c7p> cool no worries Infosoft ;) -i hope-
[18:51] <Infosoft> Don't forget firstly to install Lithuanian language support files
[18:52] <c7p> yap don't worry, i think i'll do it tonight
[18:52] <Infosoft> Thanks!
[18:53] <c7p> any instructions how i can use the new quickshot ? i mean what do you need ? since the server isn't up you must be working alternatively
[18:55] <Infosoft> 1. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:quickshotdevs/quickshot-release     2. sudo apt-get update     3. sudo apt-get install quickshot      4. Save http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04/%5Bump%5D10-04.qsproj on the desktop or somewhere else. Run Quickshot...
[18:56] <Infosoft> There should be only one needed screenshot on the list
[18:57] <c7p> ok the 4th was what i needed
[18:58] <Infosoft> The language: Lithuanian (lt_LT)
[19:00] <c7p> got it ;)
[19:04] <c7p> brb
[19:39] <c7p> hello
[19:40] <c7p> Infosoft: i took the screenshot and now i'm on the submit/recapture screen
[19:41] <c7p> typically by pressing submit the screenshot gets uploded
[19:41] <c7p> what should i do now
[19:43] <c7p> i can take a screenshot of the screenshot (what an irony :P) and manipulate the new screenshot with gimp so as to get the wanted picture
[19:46] <c7p> godbyk: any idea ?
[19:46] <godbyk> c7p: what's the problem?
[19:49] <c7p> godbyk: i press the upload button but nothing happens
[19:49] <c7p> submit*
[19:50] <c7p> ^^
[20:01] <godbyk> hmm.. I'm not sure then.
[20:01] <godbyk> do you see anything printed to the console/terminal?
[20:01] <godbyk> (If you're not running it from a terminal, try that. it will hopefully print an error msg or debug info that's more helpful.)
[20:02] <c7p> ok
[20:04] <c7p> godbyk: check this http://pastebin.com/nfZwRT5N
[20:04] <c7p> i pressed the submit button 4-5 or so times
[20:09] <daker> c7p, bug 691511
[20:09] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 691511 in quickshot "Crash after pressing screenshot submit button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691511
[20:10] <godbyk> daker: Thanks!
[20:10] <godbyk> c7p: Per the bug report, try adding the contributor credits and them resubmitting.
[20:12] <c7p> thx for helping
[20:13] <c7p> we should add this to quickshots instructions
[20:13] <godbyk> definitely.
[20:13] <godbyk> and quickshot should provide a useful warning/error message about it.
[20:13] <godbyk> (ideally, it'd require you to enter your contributor info before you go to the point of submitting the screenshot.
[20:13] <c7p> yap
[20:13] <godbyk> or ask for the info as needed when you try to submit.)
[20:14] <c7p> godbyk: do you have a few minutes ?
[20:14] <godbyk> c7p: a couple. what's up?
[20:15] <c7p> i found a translation platform that maybe more proper for our project
[20:15] <c7p> http://www.transifex.net/
[20:16] <godbyk> cool.
[20:16] <godbyk> I'll have a look.
[20:16] <c7p> i don't know exactly what it provides but i watched a video from it's developers and they said that their software could be used for translating manuals
[20:16] <c7p> neat
[20:17] <godbyk> Pootle was the one I was trying to remember the other day. But I think it's basically the same as Rosetta/Launchpad: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/index
[20:18] <godbyk> do you have a link to that video? I'd love to watch it later.
[20:18] <c7p> :/ it's in greek
[20:19] <c7p> it is developed from greek developers
[20:19] <godbyk> ah, bummer.
[20:20] <c7p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fG44h4iwuY
[20:21] <c7p> but the vid is a bit old -there is new version now i think-
[20:21] <godbyk> 'kay.
[20:25] <c7p> g2g
[20:25] <c7p> bye


[01:50] <seidos> hey all.  should i look for a different ftp client, or should i just practice "ftp" from a terminal?
[01:53] <pleia2> I use ncftp, or gftp if I'm in a gui mood
[01:55] <seidos> i just discovered lftp, it apparently is already installed, have you tried it before pleia2 ?
[01:56] <pleia2> nope
[01:57] <seidos> hmmm, maybe i should just install ncftp
[01:57] <seidos> at least lftp has tab complete...the "ftp" program didn't
[01:57] <seidos> and i had to type "del" and not "rm" O_o
[01:57] <seidos> anyway, okay, thanks pleia2
[20:15] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December19 edited
[22:42] <pleia2> MarkDude: any pictures from your GK guy?
[22:42]  * pleia2 waaaiting :)
[23:00] <MarkDude> Lyz he will be at the Partimus thing tonight
[23:00] <pleia2> did he upload the photos anywhere?
[23:00] <MarkDude> He will take some more pics
[23:00] <MarkDude> He cant
[23:00] <pleia2> ok
[23:00] <MarkDude> He forgot his card reader at the studio
[23:01] <pleia2> ah ok
[23:01] <MarkDude> Did you see this >> http://zareason.posterous.com/pictures-of-partimusorg-friends-volunteers-ou ?
[23:01] <pleia2> well if he's willing tonight I'd love to snag copies from the card
[23:01] <pleia2> your photos?
[23:01] <MarkDude> Yep
[23:02] <pleia2> yeah
[23:02] <MarkDude> + a panorama
[23:02]  * pleia2 will be sure to link this to her blog post about the event
[23:02]  * MarkDude is going to give Norm upload ability for GK stuff
[23:03] <pleia2> Norm! that's his name
[23:04] <MarkDude> He is mildly famous as UfoNorm - careful if you search for his stuff- his other stuff is extra NSFW
[23:05] <pleia2> and here I was hoping he was a coast to coast am fan
[23:06] <pleia2> heehee
[23:07] <MarkDude> :)
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> http://engrishfunny.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/binbows.jpg?w=500&h=375


[17:32] <IdleOne> Welcome back folks. get ready for six more months of broken!!! :)
[17:37] <yofel> \o/
[17:41] <coz_>   hey all
[18:08] <judgen> I am having troubles installing pidgin. it claims it not to be installable due to some dependency missmatch with libpurple and libperl.
[18:09] <coz_> judgen,  there may be a PPA for it for 11.04
[18:10] <IdleOne> I just now installed pidgin without any problem
[18:10] <IdleOne> make sure you are updated
[18:10] <judgen> coz_, i tried using the ppa on the pidgin site as well.. and now all i got is a broken package that is uninstallable.
[18:10] <coz_> judgen,  did you update the system first? ..yes?
[18:10] <judgen> i have the latest of everything else it seems.
[18:10] <coz_> judgen,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:10] <IdleOne> judgen: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[18:11] <judgen> yeah i have allready done that
[18:11] <coz_> judgen,  let me try here hold on
[18:11] <IdleOne> dist-upgrade will give you depends issues, probably not wise to remove the 35 or so packages it says it needs to remove.
[18:12] <coz_> IdleOne,  oo I dont get that here ?
[18:12] <IdleOne> coz_: I guess it depends on what is installed on our respective systems
[18:12] <coz_> IdleOne,  clean install here,, I generally do the dist-upgrade especially with new releases  ,,, not sure if that has changed at all
[18:12] <judgen> i think i need a fresh install anyways.. but i am to tired for that today.
[18:13] <coz_> judgen,   just installed pidgin with no issues on this end
[18:13] <judgen> ok
[18:13] <IdleOne> so that is two of us
[18:13] <coz_> judgen,  is this an upgrade from 10.10  or a clean install?
[18:13] <IdleOne> we are talking about 11.10 right?
[18:13] <judgen> this is an upgraded maverick install so that is where the problem comes from. Oddly enough it only affects pidgin so far.
[18:13] <judgen> yes it is upgraded to oneiric
[18:13] <IdleOne> because 11.04 support is in #ubuntu
[18:13] <IdleOne> ok
[18:14] <coz_> judgen,   mm,,, I am not a big fan of upgrades
[18:14] <judgen> me neither but i wanted to try out the newer vdpau libs.
[18:14] <coz_> judgen,  too often the consistent thing about upgrades,,,  is that they are consistently inconsistent,,
[18:14] <coz_> judgen,  and troubleshooting an upgrade can be painful
[18:15] <coz_> judgen,  yeah that part I understand   with newer things
[18:16] <coz_> judgen,  I would just suggest  go with the clean install,, if you have backed up ,,, then test it,, see if you are getting the same issues,,,
[18:16] <judgen> i will do so tomorrow, sadly i have nowhere to back up to. Not that i have much on it anyways.
[18:16] <coz_> judgen,  there is a remote chance it is hardware related,, unlikely but still...
[18:17] <judgen> i just need my .amiwmrc, other than that not much to back up.
[18:17] <coz_> judgen,  ah ok   yeah,, back up is important,, would the back up be more than 2 gigs?
[18:17] <judgen> about half a kilobyte
[18:18] <coz_> judgen,  oh heck,, maybe just get a dropbox account,,, free  2 gigs,, back up to that  then clean install
[18:18] <judgen> or just mail myself the config file =D
[18:18] <coz_> :)
[18:18] <coz_> judgen,  even better :)
[18:18] <judgen> ok i am off for tnoight.. better get some sleep.
[18:18] <judgen> laterz.
[18:19] <coz_> ok guy :)
[18:46] <iceroot> so wayland is ready to take a look on it?
[18:46] <tsimpson> it's not ready for much of anything at the moment
[18:47] <tsimpson> it's there, but nothing actually uses it
[18:47] <iceroot> interesting part is that fedora will also use wayland
[18:49] <yofel> well, they also started with plymouth, so I'm not too surprised there
[18:50] <iceroot> but that is not such a big change like wayland in my opinion
[18:52] <yofel> well true, but as long as either nouveau gets usable on my chip or nvidia suddenly wants to support wayland I'm not really affected by that
[18:52] <yofel> well then..
[18:53]  * yofel makes a btrfs snapshot of root and upgrades to oneiric
[18:53] <iceroot> yofel: i dont like open-source vga drivers much (not because they are open-source but because of the quality with 3d)
[18:53] <yofel> true
[19:17] <Daskreech> wayland and btrfs for ubuntu+1 ?
[19:24] <yofel> btrfs would be nice, but I doubt It'll really be ready
[19:24] <yofel> at least they say the usable btrfsck should be out *really* soon now ^^
[19:25] <yofel> but getting btrfs snapshotting integration with apt finished would be really cool
[19:26] <yofel> there's a btrfs + u-m session tomorrow at 7:00 UTC in #ubuntu-uds-arany
[20:03] <timing> Hi, for some reason alt+f2 is bound to 'run a command' but I use it for something else. No both commands are triggered, is this a known bug?
[20:03] <timing> *now
[20:04] <timing> O and then I noticed natty is already released
[20:04] <timing> sorry
[20:46] <timing> never mind, just logged in without unity
[21:46] <DarthFrog> So SABDFL wants 200 million Ubuntu users in 4 years.  He'd better get Wayland into Ubuntu RFN, get off the 6 month release cycle for users (not for developers) and put massive effort in to stabilizing the interface and system.  It seems to me that the 6 month releases should be considered beta releases for the LTS release, which should be the release directed towards non-power users.   It would seem to me that to achieve his goal, this needs to be done in the next two years with the following two years devoted to branding, marketing and boosterism, i.e. in 2 years have a super-LTS that will be supported up the ying-yang for 10 or more years.
[21:47] <tsimpson> this is not #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[21:47] <Daekdroom> You're forgett--- damn it. It's offtopic.
[21:48] <DarthFrog> Ok, ok.
[22:49] <jakubo> hi, just wanted to report, that my former sound problems have dissappeared with the last updates, although none of them was concerning sound...
[22:49] <jakubo> wierd but good


[07:59] <head_victim> sagaci: I'm tempted to set the IRC Channel venue on loco.u.c to UTC+10 because it's been reported that might overcome the ical issues
[07:59] <head_victim> Thoughts?
[08:00] <sagaci> sounds like a good idea
[08:00] <head_victim> I don't know if it will bugger with other things or not and you seem to be the most used to what does what on loco.u.c with timezones. I complete fail at TZ data and icals
[08:00] <sagaci> I'm sure most people are savvy enough to convert to other Aust timezones
[08:01] <sagaci> I don't think so, just point people to use the team default from now on, unless it's a local event
[08:01] <sagaci> :/
[08:01] <head_victim> We'll give it a shot. My ical feed is so buggered it can't make it worse. Others have made the same complaint.
[08:18] <head_victim> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/venues/Australia/380/detail/
[08:18] <head_victim> I added a note to state that it was UTC+10
[08:22] <sagaci> 2 weeks until the global jam
[08:23] <head_victim> sagaci: you look like you'll ahve your hands full this one, nice work with that btw
[08:23] <sagaci> crept up so quick