[09:39] <StevenK> evand: Gentle prod to check on the error message I reported with wubi
[09:41] <evand> StevenK: -ENOCONTEXT
[09:41] <evand> was this a bug report?
[09:43] <StevenK> evand: This was testing the wubi-r144.exe you prepared for me
[09:44] <evand> ah, where did you report the error message?  If it was in here I probably lost it / didn't notice it.
[09:45] <StevenK> evand: It was in here, yes.
[09:45] <StevenK> You even replied :-)
[09:45] <evand> apologies then
[09:45] <evand> oh
[09:45] <evand> then my memory is shot
[09:45] <evand> can you post it again anyway?
[09:45] <StevenK> evand: Huzzah, that gives me an Install inside Windows button, which when clicked says "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'name'"
[09:45] <evand> cute
[09:46] <StevenK> Yay for long running IRC sessions
[09:46] <evand> I'll prod that just as soon as I'm done sorting out a new ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[09:46] <evand> yeah, I gave up on irssi + screen + server a while ago and just use pidgin now.
[10:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r128 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control copyright):
[10:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Move translate-toolkit and gimp to build-deps-indep.
[10:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Removing trailing comma from dependencies.
[10:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Drop coreutils dependency as it's in essential.
[10:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Use the proper Vcs-Bzr field, rather than the old XS-Vcs-Bzr.
[10:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Replace entire GPL-2 copyright with a pointer to common-licenses.
[10:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Bump standards version to 3.8.3.
[10:10] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r129 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 3
[11:01] <CIA-33> wubi: evand * r145 trunk/ (data/isolist.ini debian/changelog): Kubuntu Netbook Edition is now Kubuntu Netbook.
[11:09] <CIA-33> wubi: evand * r146 trunk/data/images/ (3 files): Forgot to rename files in the previous commit.
[11:58] <evand> ah, it's down to Wubi looking for an amd64 Kubuntu Netbook image, which doesn't exist
[12:17] <cjwatson> hmm, nice to see that people were doing routine d-i maintenance in my absence ;-)
[12:17] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1129 ubuntu/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Move to 2.6.31-6 kernels.
[12:24] <CIA-33> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r196 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog src/system/subarch-arm-linux.c): merge lp:~mcasadevall/libdebian-installer/dove-soc
[12:26] <CIA-33> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r197 ubuntu/src/system/subarch-arm-linux.c: typo
[12:27] <CIA-33> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r198 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.63ubuntu2
[12:30] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r375 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge lp:~mcasadevall/base-installer/dove-soc
[12:31] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r376 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.101ubuntu3
[12:34] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1130 ubuntu/ (6 files in 4 dirs): merge lp:~mcasadevall/debian-installer/dove-soc
[12:34] <evand> my apologies, it didn't occur to me that it would be needed, but definitely noted for next time you're on holiday.
[12:36] <cjwatson> :-) just teasing
[12:36] <cjwatson> I'll give libd-i a bit to build before uploading that
[12:43] <evand> cjwatson: Regarding https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/413135 , I dug around a bit, but ran out of time last week to further investigate it.  Is this bug still on your radar?
[12:43] <cjwatson> yes, it is
[12:43] <cjwatson> well, the general idea is, I hadn't seen the actual bug 'til now
[12:44] <evand> okay, good deal
[12:44] <cjwatson> Jerone was sending nagging mails about that while I was on holiday
[12:50] <CIA-33> wubi: evand * r147 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[12:50] <CIA-33> wubi: Use i386 if an amd64 version of the selected distribution does not
[12:50] <CIA-33> wubi: exist.
[12:55] <xivulon> cjwatson hi, I am stacked with grub2, I get to the point where the linux kernel and initrd are loaded, but as soon as I run the `boot` command it jams
[12:57] <xivulon> grub2 is generated here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-installer/wubi/trunk/annotate/head%3A/Makefile#L74
[13:04] <cjwatson> sorry, I'm not very good at debugging that kind of thing yet
[13:05] <cjwatson> try to narrow down whether it's failing in grub or in early kernel startup
[13:08] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r377 ubuntu/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Prefer PAE kernels on machines with >3GB of RAM (LP: #413135).
[13:12] <xivulon> cjwatson do you know how to get some debug info? I turned on debug mode in grub but does not help
[13:12] <evand> xivulon: wubi r147 got past grub for me.
[13:12] <xivulon> woo
[13:12] <evand> perhaps your issue is a grub bug, rather than a misconfiguration?
[13:12] <xivulon> may be is because I use VB...
[13:13] <xivulon> or maybe the version of grub I am using on my builid system...
[13:13] <evand> perhaps
[13:13] <xivulon> a few hours wasted... :(
[13:14] <xivulon> good to hear that, how far do you go?
[13:14] <evand> xivulon: well, you've possibly found a bug, so it's not a waste.
[13:14] <evand> I would definitely take it to the grub mailing list though
[13:14]  * xivulon does not like bugs when there is no shell
[13:14] <evand> if, as cjwatson says, you can determine it's in grub and not in the initramfs.
[13:15] <evand> xivulon: to the kubuntu netbook desktop
[13:16] <xivulon> ah cool
[13:16] <evand> (which is just because ubiquity crashed)
[13:17] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1131 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add pcmcia-modules to hd-media images (LP: #415675).
[13:17] <xivulon> evand is it #243105?
[13:17] <xivulon> We'll need to do some changes in update-grub as well, hopefully it will be easier this time around
[13:17] <evand> no, it appears to be a ubiquity-frontend-kde/kde issue
[13:19] <cjwatson> xivulon: I don't really, sorry
[13:20] <cjwatson> xivulon: if it might be in the initramfs, adding debug= to the boot parameters line might help
[13:20] <cjwatson> and remove quiet splash, of course
[13:21] <evand> ah, python-kde4 is broken.  Hilarious.
[13:22] <evand> StevenK: So I fixed the issue you were hitting, and as noted above, I've gotten to ubiquity, but it's crashing due to a broken symlink in python-kde4.  I imagine wubi kubuntu netbook installs will work once that is fixed.
[13:23] <evand> (bug #417494 - seems to be fixed already)
[13:26] <mterry> evand, OEM needs me this week.  Which means I probably won't do much ubiquity plugin work.  Thankfully, it's in a state where it could be pushed (read reviewed).  The last thing I wanted to do this week is reorganize the plugins a bit to be more extendable.  But I don't promise I can get to that.  So I'm for-realz asking for a review sometime this week in anticipation of FF
[13:26] <xivulon> cjwatson, looks more like grub, it also jams with no initramfs at all, only vmlinuz and seems to be jamming quite early on
[13:27] <evand> mterry: okay, it's already on my todo list for today.  I'll make sure I get to it next.
[13:27] <evand> thanks for the heads up
[13:27] <mterry> evand, in addition to reading the code, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Plugins to see how it's supposed to work and an example plugin you could play with
[13:27] <evand> okay
[13:27] <mterry> evand, cool, thanks
[13:29] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r378 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.101ubuntu4
[13:47] <cjwatson> xivulon: http://grub.enbug.org/HowToDebug may be helpful, or not
[13:47] <cjwatson> 'set debug=all' might be useful in any case ...
[13:56] <xivulon> cjwatson thx will give it a try tonight
[14:22] <StevenK> evand: UNR, even?
[14:26] <evand> StevenK: yeah, that too :)
[14:28] <StevenK> evand: So there's a new .exe published, or not yet?
[14:29] <evand> StevenK:  there is now
[14:30] <StevenK> evand: Excellent, I'll test it tomorrow. Thanks!
[14:30] <evand> sure thing
[15:02] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r130 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/COPYING: Include the GPLv2 in COPYING.
[16:06] <NCommander> cjwatson, thanks for looking at base-installer; I need to tweak the dove d-i branch though so please don't merge that one quite yet. (I wrote the branch on the assumption we would get a vmlinuz, not a uImage)
[16:06] <cjwatson> oh, I already did
[16:06] <cjwatson> but haven't uploaded
[16:06] <NCommander> cjwatson, I can fix that quickly
[16:06] <NCommander> cjwatson, hold on
[16:10] <NCommander> cjwatson, checking out the branch; I'll apply my change and testbuild the ful larmel build so we can make sure we don't break imx51 this quickly (I apologize, I didn't except you to get on this as quickly as you did coming off vacation :-))
[16:25] <kirkland> evand: hiya, testing the latest iso's for encrypt-home
[16:25] <kirkland> evand: is formatting ext4 supposed to take a long time at 5% ?
[16:58] <evand> kirkland: it could.  Large drive?  Might want to check the output of ps auxf
[16:58] <kirkland> evand: guest or host?
[16:59] <evand> guest
[16:59] <evand> to make sure it is in fact formatting
[17:36] <evand> cjwatson: so we've run into a bit of a problem regarding encrypted swap as it's currently implemented.  The password ends up in clear text on the swap device because the latter is not overwritten until its needed.  The workaround that kirkland and I have come up with for this is to dd /dev/zero over all the swap devices at the end of the install.  Do you think it's acceptable?  It strikes me as being really hackish.
[17:36] <kirkland> evand: only do that dd *if* encrypted-swap is flagged "on"
[17:36] <evand> kirkland: indeed
[17:36] <kirkland> evand: as this operation will take a few seconds
[17:36] <evand> I'm wondering if it would just be better to create a cryptswap type in partman and handle things there.
[17:36] <kirkland> evand: and we shouldn't penalize non-swap-encrypted installations
[17:36] <evand> absolutely
[17:37] <kirkland> evand: i know you're not asking for my opinion, but wiping the swap slate clean on shutdown doesn't seem *that* hackish to me
[17:38] <evand> cjwatson: (for what it's worth, the current implementation is user-setup-apply calling ecryptfs-setup-swap, which configures the target filesystem for swap use, but does not actually enable it)
[17:38] <kirkland> evand: and as i understand it, a cryptswap in partman won't help in the encrypted-home case, because we don't know that we need encrypted swap until *after* partman has run
[17:39] <evand> hrm
[17:40] <evand> my concern was more having partman-target (or whichever component) check user-setup/encrypt-home, but I guess that's not necessary
[17:40] <kirkland> evand: but that runs *before* user-setup/encrypt-home is set (when preseeding is not used)
[17:41] <evand> no I mean my concern with fixing this issue as we've proposed
[17:41] <evand> ignore the cryptswap idea
[17:41]  * kirkland is lost :-)
[17:42] <evand> sorry, I'm thinking this through as I type
[17:42] <evand> probably not the best approach
[17:42] <evand> the one thing partman gives us that this approach does not is some structure
[17:42]  * kirkland tries to keep up
[17:42] <evand> the only way I can think of doing this is parsing crypttab for swap
[17:42] <evand> which I guess isn't that bad
[17:43] <kirkland> evand: right, that's what I'm thinking
[17:43] <kirkland> evand: thinking about this as a paragraph in english ... ->
[17:44] <kirkland> evand: "If you've indicated that you want us to prepare your swap devices for encryption, we should wipe them clean for you, as part of the installation/setup process."
[17:46] <evand> I don't think we actually need to give the user the option.  I'm concerned that more people understand what "encrypt my home directory" means than "prepare my swap devices for encryption"
[17:46] <kirkland> evand: agreed
[17:46] <kirkland> evand: i'm not proposing we expose "wipe the swap" as an option
[17:47] <kirkland> evand: i'm suggesting that's implied by swap encryption, which is implied by homedir encryption ;-)
[17:47] <kirkland> evand: bootstrapping security is fun!
[17:47] <evand> sure
[17:47] <evand> haha
[17:47] <cjwatson> I think a dd is ok
[17:48] <cjwatson> I don't think a cryptswap type would really be right - it's not cryptswap, it's swap on an encrypted volume
[17:49] <kirkland> cjwatson: the method evand is using to create encrypted swap (ecryptfs-setup-swap), adds entries to /etc/crypttab that are cryptswap types
[17:51] <cjwatson> that's not the same as partman thinking that's the type though ...
[17:51] <evand> cjwatson: noted; thanks
[18:14] <evand> cjwatson: is this a suitable place as far as you're concerned (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/258790/) or should I move the code into finish-install.d/99wipe_swap and duplicate it in ubiquity?
[18:20] <cjwatson> evand: I think it's OK, just make it not fail if /etc/crypttab doesn't exist
[18:21] <evand> ah, good call
[18:22] <evand> swapoff would probably be a good idea too :-/
[18:28] <CIA-33> user-setup: evand * r202 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-setup-apply):
[18:28] <CIA-33> user-setup: Zero out swap devices at the end of install when encryption is
[18:28] <CIA-33> user-setup: enabled.
[18:38] <CIA-33> user-setup: evand * r203 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.27ubuntu9
[19:04] <kirkland> evand: \o/
[19:04] <kirkland> evand: might i expect another iso today, or should i just pick it up tomorrow?
[19:41] <NCommander> cjwatson, merged changes: lp:~mcasadevall/debian-installer/dove-soc
[19:41] <NCommander> cjwatson, the imx51 targets also build, but I'm not sure they target the newest kernel
[21:24] <CIA-33> ubiquity: evand * r3395 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[21:24] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[21:24] <CIA-33> ubiquity: 1.101ubuntu4, user-setup 1.27ubuntu9.
[21:36] <CIA-33> ubiquity: evand * r3396 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99.12
[22:50] <cjwatson> NCommander: thanks
[22:50] <NCommander> cjwatson, sorry on the delay for that
[22:52] <cjwatson> *shrug8
[22:52] <cjwatson> *
[23:11] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1132 ubuntu/build/config/armel/ (dove.cfg dove/netboot.cfg): merge lp:~mcasadevall/debian-installer/dove-soc
[23:29] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1133 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu52


[12:20] <tsmithe> bddebian, about my lintian error on alsa-firmware, it is indeed to be expected
[12:20] <tsmithe> and thanks for the revu
[12:20] <tsmithe> :)
[12:21] <tsmithe> and as i said about the man pages on alsa-tools; i don't think that's valid either
[12:21] <tsmithe> i'll look into the script
[12:21] <tsmithe> but i don't recall modifying it - so it should be identical to the current feisty version
[12:24] <bddebian> Could be
[12:26] <tsmithe> thing is - it's autogenerated...
[12:47] <persia> Adri2000: I was away.  Now filing bugs on gaphor, flpsed.
[12:49] <TerminX> hm, is this channel where I would mention a bug in a package in universe?
[12:49] <shawarma> TerminX: Kind of. You really should file it on launchpad..
[12:50] <fowlduck> launchpad mcQuack
[12:50] <TerminX> I searched for the package on launchpad and didn't find it, and it's only a dependency problem anyway
[12:50] <shawarma> TerminX: That said, if you need some sort of clarification, then yes, this is it.
[12:50] <shawarma> TerminX: Which package is it?
[12:50] <TerminX> package slidentd seems to depend on specific inetd packages, which means I can't use it with xinetd
[12:51] <TerminX> they look to be added dependencies that the original debian package doesn't have (in other words, the debian package works with no issues)
[12:53] <shawarma> I suppose the most corretct fix would be to make xinetd provide inet-superserver.
[12:55] <TerminX> should I file a bug against xinetd on launchpad then?
[12:55] <shawarma> Right.
[12:56] <shawarma> It's in main, so we can't really help you directly.
[12:57] <TerminX> it, uh, won't let me file a bug on xinetd
[12:57] <shawarma> TerminX: How so?
[12:57] <TerminX> it tells me to use its official bug tracker, but that isn't exactly going to be useful when it's something that just needs to be corrected in the package
[12:58] <shawarma> TerminX: Ah.
[12:58] <shawarma> TerminX: The thing to remember is that launchpad is not only for Ubuntu.
[12:58] <shawarma> TerminX: And since this is a ubuntu specific issue, you need to go to the frontpage and select Ubuntu.
[12:58] <shawarma> TerminX: ...and *then* find xinetd and file a bug on it.
[12:58] <shawarma> TerminX: Makes sense?
[12:58] <TerminX> heh, oops
[12:59] <shawarma> TerminX: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinetd/+filebug
[04:12] <LaserJock> sweet, bugmail!
[04:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: ??
[04:18] <ajmitch> lies
[04:18] <ajmitch> we have no bugs
[04:18] <bddebian> heh
[04:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: You finally fixed them all? :)
[04:18] <somerville32> ajmitch, Only 2 open bug reports over last week ;]
[04:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, that's up to you
[04:19] <bddebian> Bah, I can't fix nuttin' :-(
[04:19] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch, somerville32, bddebian
[04:19] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia
[04:19] <bddebian> Hi Burgundavia
[04:20] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[04:20] <somerville32> Hiya Burgundavia
[04:20] <Burgundavia> not bad
[04:20] <Burgundavia> "enjoying" alberta
[04:20] <Burgundavia> is bloody cold here
[04:21] <ajmitch> exciting
[04:22] <LaserJock> bddebian: I subscribed to ubuntu-universe-sponsors list
[04:23] <LaserJock> I was trying to the other night but it didn't work
[04:23] <LaserJock> but now I got it
[04:23] <bddebian> Ahh
[04:24] <bddebian> How did someone get a foo.tar.gz to upload to REVU?
[04:26] <LaserJock> bddebian: how far did you get through the science bug list?
[04:27] <bddebian> All the way, though I didn't get many fixed yet :'-(
[04:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: rockin' dude, thanks
[04:30] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I thought I saw some zope stuff float by, was that Klose or you?
[04:30] <ajmitch> old sync requests
[04:30] <ajmitch> really old :)
[04:30] <ajmitch> or maybe not
[04:31] <ajmitch> doesn't look like it was me that requested those, so that's ok
[04:32] <ScottK> Laserjock: are you available for REVU?
[04:32] <somerville32> ScottK: Which package?
[04:32] <ScottK> I have http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4071 that are looking for a 2nd sponsor.
[04:33] <ScottK> somerville32: I think you've looked at these already.
[04:33] <ScottK> I know you looked at 4070, not sure about 4071.
[05:26] <crimsun> persia: beware of subscribing u-a prior w/o an ACK
[05:27] <persia> crimsun: Ah.  That's an error in my understanding.  I'll avoid that in future.  Thanks for the note.
[05:29] <crimsun> persia: were you following a wiki page?
[05:29] <persia> crimsun: My memory, but I'll check the wiki page I loaded from in a couple minutes.
[05:35] <bddebian> do be do be doo
[05:38] <ScottK> crimsun: Would you be up for a little REVU?
[05:38] <ScottK> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4071 that are looking for a 2nd sponsor
[05:38] <persia> crimsun: The procedure is described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources.  I started adding u-u-s as well after Tollef advised me about ACKs for bug 78751.
[05:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78751 in survex "Please sync survex <IP_ADDRESS>-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78751
[05:43] <LaserJock> crimsun: we should have MOTU page outlining procedures for that, IMO
[05:46] <LaserJock> what "procedures" or "processes" do we need a writeup on?
[05:48] <crimsun> probably the material I'd cover in a -school session
[05:48] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:48] <crimsun> how to request a sync
[05:48] <crimsun> how to request processing of a merge
[05:49] <LaserJock> do you want something written up beforehad?
[05:49] <persia> LaserJock: For a list, I'd start from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/.  Some of these age, and the procedures are not necessarily entirely clear (even from the Q&A logs).
[05:51] <LaserJock> sync, merge, SRU, UVF, new package
[05:51] <persia> LaserJock: non-MOTU bugfix updates
[05:52] <LaserJock> k
[05:52] <crimsun> persia: bug 79349 will depwait on the new uqm being synced (which means it needs an accompanying sync request)
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79349 in uqm-content "Please sync uqm-content <IP_ADDRESS> (multiverse) frrom Debian sid (non-free)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79349
[05:53] <persia> crimsun: See bug 79350
[05:53] <crimsun> (yes, it's ok to override Ubuntu changes for uqm)
[05:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79350 in uqm "merge uqm 0.6.1-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79350
[05:54] <persia> crimsun: uqm FTBFS on feisty.  I'll let Joey know as soon as I can replicate in a sid environment.
[05:54] <crimsun> why does it ftbfs?
[05:54] <persia> crimsun: libmikmod2-dev is not in B-D
[05:54] <crimsun> yes it is
[05:55] <crimsun> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/u/uqm/uqm_0.6.1-2.dsc
[05:55] <crimsun> it's the last b-d
[05:55] <crimsun> I'm speaking specifically of the sync ; I saw the merge request
[05:55] <crimsun> a merge is unnecessary; a sync is sufficient
[05:56] <persia> crimsun: It wasn't locally for some reason.  I'm off to reject 79750 :)
[05:56] <crimsun> persia: you pbuilt uqm from sid and it ftbfs?
[05:56] <persia> crimsun: Yes, but I appear to have made a mistake.  Retrying...
[05:58] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you want policy wiki docs worked on before or after your session?
[05:58] <ajmitch> ooh, crimsun is doing a session?
[05:59] <LaserJock> as soon as he gives me a date/time ;-)
[05:59] <crimsun> LaserJock: I see no reason for work to block on the session
[05:59] <LaserJock> crimsun: k, I might make some stubs tonight
[05:59] <crimsun> great
[06:01] <LaserJock> once we get those nailed down  little bit I'd like to put those in the packaging guide
[06:02] <persia> crimsun: Thanks for the check: It was my mistake.  I'm not sure how the B-D line was damaged.  merge bug killed, raising sync bug.
[06:04] <bddebian> Gah, compiz has too big of build-deps..
[06:13] <Lutin> hi there
[06:13] <bddebian> Heya Lutin
[06:14] <LaserJock> has anybody be using Daniel's bughelper script?
[06:16] <Lutin> not yet
[06:19] <Lutin> LaserJock: btw, could you have a look at kayali on revu when you'll have some time ?
[06:20] <crimsun> geser rocked gnome 396477
[06:20] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 396477 in linux "stack overflow in sysdeps/linux/procmap.c: glibtop_get_proc_map_s()" [Major,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396477
[06:20] <bddebian> Whew, I think I finally have a comment on every package on REVU that I can comment on..
[06:23] <ajmitch> well done
[06:23] <bddebian> Well my reviews are shit apparently but I'm trying :)
[06:23] <ajmitch> better than mine
[06:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: Only when you don't do them :)
[06:31] <ajmitch> exactly
[06:32] <bddebian> Bah
[06:34] <unix_infidel> will LTS ever have a zimbra packaged for the repos?
[06:35] <Burgundavia> no
[06:35] <joejaxx> hello Burgundavia
[06:35] <unix_infidel> http://www.zimbra.com/index.html
[06:35] <Burgundavia> hey joejaxx
[06:36] <Burgundavia> unix_infidel: yep, aware what zimbra is. Unless it gets backported, no
[06:36] <unix_infidel> Burgundavia: is it expected for the next LTS?
[06:36] <unix_infidel> fawn iirc
[06:36] <Burgundavia> if somebody packages it
[06:36] <Burgundavia> and 7.04 will not be an LTS
[06:37] <bddebian> Backport a NEW package?  Is that ever done?
[06:37] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:37] <bddebian> Sounds dangerous to me :)
[06:38] <joejaxx> bddebian: :)
[06:38] <Burgundavia> the world is dangerous
[06:38] <Burgundavia> leaf apps have little bearing on the general order of the world
[06:38] <bddebian> leaf apps?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> apps which have nothing depending on them
[06:39] <bddebian> Ahh
[06:55] <bddebian> Ah well, gnight gang
[07:17] <Ash-Fox> I have a announcement, pbuilder rocks! -- that is all.
[07:36] <Lutin> heya freeflying
[08:08] <LaserJock> I don't suppose anybody in here is good with w3m?
[08:10] <nixternal> can't say that i am
[08:11] <nixternal> but i did just build a new kubuntu-docs package from the ground up (and it is 99% functional at this time)
[08:11] <nixternal> i am hoping it will generate the bug reports now before final release, unlike the edgy release
[08:11] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: lynx is easier, why?
[08:11] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i think i tried to tell him that the other day :)
[08:12] <LaserJock> whatever
[08:12] <LaserJock> I just want the best CLI browser
[08:12] <LaserJock> I was using w3m but I couldn't select text that was a URL
[08:13] <lupine_85> links2 ?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: links2 is good
[08:14] <Hobbsee> so's elinks
[08:14] <Hobbsee> w3m is difficult
[08:14] <Hobbsee> anyway, try the right arrow, over the link
[08:16] <LaserJock> hmm, lynx lets me select the text
[08:16] <LaserJock> links2 doesn't
[08:16] <persia> LaserJock: w3m -no-mouse let's you select text, but you can't click links.
[08:17] <LaserJock> ah
[08:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: what's your favorite CLI browser? lynx?
[08:17] <LaserJock> persia: how about you?
[08:18] <lupine_85> links2 does javascript, which I need for some sites
[08:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: lynx, mostly
[08:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ask TheMuso
[08:18] <crimsun> yuck dude, just use nc.
[08:18] <lupine_85> like my router's config page =)
[08:18] <persia> LaserJock: I forget why I stopped using lynx, but I've mostly migrated from w3m to GUI browsers :(
[08:19] <LaserJock> crimsun: nc?
[08:19] <lupine_85> netcat?
[08:19] <crimsun> yep
[08:19] <nixternal> heh
[08:20] <nixternal> only the hardcore crimsun ;p
[08:20] <crimsun> nah, that's bddebian. He thinks, and It Is.
[08:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, that's a little too minimal for me I think
[08:21] <lupine_85> not recommended over the wider internet though ;)
[08:21] <LaserJock> I'm just tired of using GUI browsers for LP/Debian
[08:21] <nixternal> haha, LaserJock needs something more hardcore
[08:21] <crimsun> links2 was pretty nice when I used it
[08:22] <LaserJock> crimsun: what do you usually use, FF?
[08:22] <crimsun> w3m and FF
[08:23] <crimsun> I don't have administrative access on most of the Ubuntu machines here
[08:24] <LaserJock> bummer
[08:24] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't use many machines that I don't have admin access to
[08:24] <crimsun> nah, saves me headaches. Then I can just whine at the admin.
[08:24] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I was just thinking
[08:25] <LaserJock> I should make one of the new grad students admin ;-)
[08:25] <crimsun> we pretty much converted an entire engineering college to use nexenta and ubuntu
[08:25] <LaserJock> sweet
[08:25] <LaserJock> my school seems very anti-linux
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hey deitys?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> one of you figure out how to work the home phone here please...
[08:32] <LaserJock> wow, links2 in graphical mode is pretty sweet
[08:34] <LaserJock> crimsun: did you take care of the icewm merge request on u-u-s?
[08:50] <crimsun> LaserJock: no
[08:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, I've got it
[08:50] <crimsun> LaserJock: there was a period yesterday where I was unsubbed from u-u-s and awaiting moderator approval for resub during which I didn't receive any
[08:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: really?
[08:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, I wondered
[08:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, according to times I got them before I got my sub confirmation
[08:52] <LaserJock> maybe I stole them from you ;-)
[08:52] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes, due to the receiving doubles of every post
[08:52] <crimsun> so I unsubbed and resubbed to take care of that
[08:53] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahh
[08:53] <Hobbsee> crimsun: has that stopped?
[08:53] <crimsun> yes, it's fine now
[08:54] <Hobbsee> cool :
[08:54] <Hobbsee> )
[09:15] <LaserJock> uh oh, dholbach's on
[09:15] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <LaserJock> that's my cue to go to bed ;-)
[09:16] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[09:17] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[09:22] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: What did Laser_away want?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: to know what the best cli browser was
[09:23] <TheMuso> Laser_away: Whenever you return, elinks is the best atm.
[09:23] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: did you go to lowenbrau last night?  i didnt see you there...
[09:23] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: No.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :(
[09:24] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Mainly not knowing the public transport system in that area, and not wanting to get stuck out somewhere that I didn't know.
[09:25] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :(
[09:25] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: there were plenty of us around, we could have found you
[09:27] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Ah well.
[09:27] <TheMuso> I will be seeing people all of this week anyway.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :)
[09:28] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You coming on Thursday
[09:28] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yes
[09:28] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: have you seen elky today?
[09:29] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Not yet. I know she was around, but didn't get a chance to meet her.
[09:29] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: right.  guess it's a bit silly asking you to look for her, and ask if she's got those cd's yet...
[09:29] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you're all otu of sessions nwo?
[09:30] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yeah. I'm actually at home
[09:30] <Hobbsee> ah!  so it's silly on two counts then!
[09:37] <StevenK> Hobbsee: She does. I know this because I handed them to her about an hour ago.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> StevenK: cool :)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> fun
[09:37] <StevenK> Nuh uh
[09:53] <Ash-Fox> Would anyone happen to know or have any idea why apt-build is behaving strangely with my packages/repository -- It refuses to download the sources? http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/apt-build-weirdness.txt
[09:56] <\sh> moins
[09:57] <Ash-Fox> Morning
[10:07] <Ash-Fox> Gah, the package builds perfectly if I apt-get source and pbuilder/debuild/dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot it... And apt-build won't even download it.
[10:28] <Adri2000> persia: file a bug in debian for linpopup's .desktop file? ;)
[10:29] <persia> Adri2000: Hey!  I just uploaded the diff.  I need a couple minutes to file a debian bug as well :)
[10:29] <persia> Adri2000:
[10:29] <Adri2000> eheh, ok :p
[10:30] <persia> Adri2000: I hope don't mind about bitpim: I had just been looking at it before I fell asleep, and was certain that a sync wouldn't work.
[10:33] <Adri2000> persia: and you are still certain?
[10:34] <persia> Adri2000: Yes.  debian/control in the sid source sets a binary dependency on python-ctypes, which is no longer a separate package for python2.5.
[10:35] <crimsun> (because python 2.5 includes ctypes internally)
[10:35] <Adri2000> ok, then no problem, I don't mind :)
[10:36] <persia> I'm sure it seemed like a good idea to process .desktop files for the gnome file manager, but it's confusing when you actually want to select the .desktop file instead of the target :(
[10:48] <TheMuso> c
[11:01] <Hobbsee> ALL.  FLASH.  SUCKS.  AND.  WEBSITES. USING. IT. DESERVE. TO. DIE!!!
[11:03] <Hobbsee> gah!
[11:04] <white> Hobbsee: doesn't gnash work?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> white: mplayer plugin works, i got to where i wanted.  just it wont actually let you enter the site without flash 8
[11:04] <white> bah
[11:05] <persia> Hobbsee: That's evil website designers, not evil flash.  Kill the guilty, leave the innocent to offend later.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> persia: flash.  is.  not.  innocent.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> persia: linux version is still at 7.*
[11:06] <Hobbsee> persia: well, it is sony.  they're a known evil
[11:08] <persia> Hobbsee: OK.  There are several evils.
[11:49] <Nafallo> !info cfv
[11:49] <ubotu> cfv: versatile file checksum creator and verifier. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.18.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 172 kB
[11:55] <crimsun> oh christ
[11:55] <crimsun> yay for uploading without adding to debian/patches/series
[11:56] <ajmitch> I've done worse
[11:56] <crimsun> well, I know 11-xv_lockup.patch's not a regression at least
[12:16] <crimsun> siretart: +0.7, eh? :)
[12:18] <StevenK> Oh no, not decimal SRU votes
[12:18] <StevenK> Don't make me vote +1.3 :-P
[12:19] <xzu> Hi folks, i have  question: there is a small bug in a package I use. The package does not have an official Ubuntu maintainer, but the Debian package has. Now the same issue occurs in Debian testing/unstable. The fix just a very simple dependency issue, but what is the "correct" soluction? Contact Debian maintainer, wait untill she fixes it and import that or try to get it fixed in Ubunty Edgy/other releases ?
[12:20] <crimsun> which package?
[12:20] <xzu> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-ssh
[12:21] <crimsun> ok, so there's no existing Ubuntu delta. In that case, it's probably preferable to push the fix directly to Debian, and then Ubuntu will sync from Sid.
[12:21] <crimsun> now depending how "small" this bug is...
[12:22] <xzu> what does "existing Ubuntu delta" mean?
[12:22] <xzu> ok, its in Debians bugtracker, so I guess the maintainer will pick it up
[12:22] <crimsun> the current source version is 1.91.0-9.1, which is a direct sync from Debian
[12:23] <xzu> check
[12:25] <siretart> crimsun: yay! (well, count that as +1)
[01:35] <persia> I'm working on libjsw.  I would like to make a single upload of a new upstream version with packaging changes to close all open Ubuntu bugs and an additional Debian bug.  How should I upload the new package?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> persia: uh...REVU...bug with the debdiff of debian/* would be good
[01:37] <Hobbsee> persia: seeing as just a debdiff would suck.  and so would just REVU.  although that would suck less.  just.
[01:38] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks.  Now I have yet more motivation to fix GPG.  I don't suppose you know how I hunt down and kill old keys floating around on the keyservers?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> persia: do you have the revocations for them?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ie, the rev... certificates?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> to do with revoking
[01:40] <persia> Hobbsee: If I spend a day or so, I might be able to find the disks on which the secrets lie (they are very old).
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:40] <Hobbsee> persia: dunno if you can just ignore them....
[01:40] <Hobbsee> you'd have to use your private key to revoke
[01:41] <Hobbsee> there's no other way to prove that you are the owner of that key, without hte private one
[01:41] <Hobbsee> however, people will tend to use the key on LP
[01:41] <persia> Hobbsee: That's my fear as well - duplicates lead to confusion.  Perhaps I'll raise a bug on libjsw saying "don't fix this", and go hunt through my old disks.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> persia: well, they'll use the signed one...and the one that's being used, and the one you're signing mail with
[01:42] <persia> Hobbsee: You're suggesting just to ignore the old one for purposes of REVU & LP?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> persia: for the moment, yeah...
[01:43] <persia> Hobbsee: Well, if that's acceptable to Ubuntu, I'm happy.  I can procrastinate for even longer :)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> persia: heh
[01:44] <Hobbsee> persia: it's better to get rid of them - and generate a revoking certificate for this key, if you ever have to use it
[01:45] <Lutin> heya freeflying :)
[01:45] <persia> Hobbsee: Yep.  With new disk sizes, I become more and more likely to clean up my stack of <10GB disks, and will surely find the keys in the process.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> persia: cool
[01:46] <freeflying> Lutin: hi
[01:47] <Lutin> how are you ?
[02:13] <persia> Processes are fun!  Could a REVU admin please sync my key to the REVU keyring?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> siretart: ^
[02:15] <Whoopie_> crimsun: hi, is the acroread package in feisty intended for a security update in edgy? any plans?
[02:16] <siretart> sec
[02:16] <persia> siretart: No hurry.  libjsw still needs a couple hours work.
[02:26] <siretart> persia: done
[02:26] <persia> siretart: Thanks.
[02:27] <\sh> re
[02:51] <_Enchained> Hi everybody
[03:51] <\sh> http://cgi.ebay.com/Windows-XP-Home-Edition-License-Key_W0QQitemZ150080733165QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41887
[03:53] <Lutin> lol
[03:55] <_Enchained> Hi bddebian :)
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:55] <bddebian> Hi _Enchained
[03:56] <\sh> hey bddebian
[03:56] <_Enchained> bddebian: dvd95 is updated on revu ;)
[03:56] <bddebian> Hi \sh
[03:56] <bddebian> _Enchained: OK
[03:56] <_Enchained> and waiting for you loll
[03:56] <_Enchained> I've added a manpage and corrected some little things
[04:00] <proppy> hi
[04:01] <proppy> pygame broken in edgy ?
[04:01] <proppy> for python2.5
[04:02] <dholbach> heya proppy
[04:03] <Lutin> hay bddebian :)
[04:04] <Lutin> bddebian: sorry, I updated kayali again, could you have a look at it ?
[04:04] <proppy> will check against the source package, cause it only install in python2.4/site-packages, but not in python2.5
[04:06] <bddebian> Lutin: Yeah, probably in a bit
[04:06] <Lutin> ok bddebian, thanks :)
[04:06] <persia> bddebian: You're responsive :)
[04:07] <proppy> XS-Python-Version: 2.4 in pygame
[04:08] <proppy> a not >= 2.4
[04:10] <Lutin> bddebian: cause you do a grat job on revu :-)
[04:10] <Lutin> great*
[04:11] <bddebian> Lutin: Not hardly, but thanks
[04:11] <persia> proppy: File a bug, being sure to mark is as an 6.10 bug.  It's fixed in Debian and Feisty.
[04:13] <proppy> persia: i just checked again the file list of packages.ubuntu.com for feisty
[04:13] <proppy> persia: it's seems to have the same pb
[04:13] <proppy> persia: but i must double check on a real feisty
[04:14] <proppy> persia: are you sure this a edgy only issue ?
[04:15] <persia> proppy: Yes.
[04:15] <proppy> persia: +XS-Python-Version: >= 2.3
[04:15] <proppy> persia: yep its corrected in current unstable
[04:15] <proppy> persia: thanks
[04:30] <proppy> persia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygame/+bug/79409
[04:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79409 in pygame "[6.10 only]  pygame doesn't install in python2.5 on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:42] <crimsun> Whoopie_: 7.04 no longer contains acroread
[04:43] <crimsun> Whoopie_: in light of its removal (both source and binary), it's questionable whether any effort should be expended on a security update
[04:43] <Whoopie_> crimsun: looking at bug 78339, you updated it. But why did you remove it?
[04:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78339 in acroread "Universal XSS" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78339
[04:44] <crimsun> Whoopie_: the issue is of course that we are not, according to the EULA, allowed to redistribute it without an agreement with Adobe.
[04:44] <crimsun> Whoopie_: no, the issue is covered in bug 43780
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43780 in acroread "Acroread: Redistribution may not be allowed" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43780
[04:45] <Whoopie_> crimsun: ok, so you fixed both. ;)
[04:45] <crimsun> Whoopie_: I am solely responsible for the update. The removal from the archive is not my decision.
[04:45] <crimsun> Nor am I an archive admin.
[04:47] <Whoopie_> np at all. I have a problem with password protected pdfs with evince. so acroread was the workaround.
[04:49] <Whoopie_> but as you shiped it with edgy, a security update would be wise.
[05:27] <asabil> hi all
[05:28] <asabil> how can I request a software to be added to feisty ?
[05:41] <geser> asabil: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[05:42] <asabil> unfortunately the last time I submitted something there it just remained there :/
[05:43] <geser> asabil: the other solution is to create the package yourself and get it on revu reviewed
[05:43] <asabil> okey thanks
[05:59] <ScottK> Is there another REVU sprint planned for Feisty?  The last one got me started here and I think another would be of benifit.
[06:01] <Lutin> ScottK: maybe it's a bit late now, uvf in on feb. 8th iirc
[06:01] <ScottK> I know.
[06:02] <ScottK> I've got two packages with one sponsor right now and another that's waiting for one of those before it can be REVUed.
[06:02] <ScottK> I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing to get stuff in by then...
[06:04] <ScottK> I was sort of hoping for another push before Feb 8.
[06:05] <crimsun> which upids?
[06:08] <ScottK> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4071
[06:09] <ScottK> crimsun: Real life called me AFK for a few minutes.
[06:17] <crimsun> ok, I'll look now
[06:17] <crimsun> (sorry, phone conf)
[06:18] <ScottK> Understand and thanks.
[06:21] <crimsun> ScottK: for postfix-policyd-spf-perl, it'd be a good idea to include the preamble for GPL2 in debian/copyright. Otherwise it looks good.
[06:23] <ScottK> Hmm, I tried to follow the example in the new maintainer's guide as closely as I could: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-copyright - Is this a case where the documentation needs to be updated?
[06:24] <palski> hmmm gtetrinet is now in edgy-proposed but not for i386
[06:30] <crimsun> palski: it hasn't built yet. [https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/292817 ]
[06:30] <crimsun> as noted in the builds status box on [https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtetrinet/0.7.10-1ubuntu0.1 ]
[06:31] <crimsun> (left side)
[06:31] <palski> ok, thanks
[06:32] <bddebian> Someone please kill me :-(
[06:32] <crimsun> ScottK: it's preferable (as I noted above) to include it. It wouldn't be strictly rejectable by omitting it.
[06:33] <crimsun> bddebian: 12:33 [freenode]  -!- This command is for network staff only
[06:33] <ScottK> OK. Thanks.  I'll add it when I update my packages.
[06:35] <ScottK> Is the license summary an issue just for GPL or for other licenses too (e.g. Perl Artistic license)?
[06:35] <bddebian> crimsun: I meant that literally :)
[06:35] <crimsun> it's not an issue; it's just viewed as good citizenship
[06:35] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[06:35] <crimsun> bddebian: your daughters wouldn't appreciate that
[06:36] <ScottK> Neither would we.
[06:37] <ScottK> bddebian:  ^^^^
[06:38] <crimsun> we can't have 1/4 of our trinity running off
[06:38] <crimsun> 1/3, even
[06:39] <crimsun> ScottK: shall I wait on 4071, then?
[06:40] <ScottK> I'd appreciate a look as I had to rebuild orig.tar.gz for that one and am not as confident that the packaging is correct.
[06:40] <ScottK> So for 4070 if I add the GPL preamble, you'd advocate?
[06:45] <crimsun> ScottK: yes
[06:45] <ScottK> OK.  Working on it now.
[06:46] <crimsun> ScottK: for libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl, you have a debian/README.Debian-source, but it's not installed via debhelper files or via debian/rules
[06:46] <crimsun> ScottK: as far as the rerolling of the source package is concerned, it's fine otherwise
[06:48] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[06:50] <ScottK> The revision to 4070 is uploaded, but I don't have the new ID yet.  crimsum and bddebian I would really appreciate it if you would advocate/re-advocate.
[06:51] <ScottK> Real life is calling somewhate urgently or I'd stay and give you the new ID.
[06:51] <ScottK> Thanks again.
[06:56] <Adri2000> hey crimsun! I have some merges/sync requests waiting on malone, I don't know if you have seen them :p
[06:57] <crimsun> Adri2000: I've been in a phone conf most of the morning
[06:57] <crimsun> (so no, I have not)
[06:57] <luisbg> Laser_away, ping
[06:58] <Adri2000> crimsun: ok, you can see them at +reportedbugs :)
[07:13] <crimsun> that "sound" highlight is driving me batty
[07:39] <jamesbrose> Hello
[07:39] <jamesbrose> How would I add my own ubuntu deb to apt-mirror?
[08:17] <pianoboy3333> What are provides?
[08:27] <imbrandon> jamesbrose, just one deb ?
[08:27] <jamesbrose> Yes
[08:28] <LaserJock> luisbg: pong
[08:28] <imbrandon> jamesbrose, it wasent made to just add / remove one deb, you would have to make a repo just for that one deb then mirror it
[08:28] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[08:31] <ajmitch> morning
[08:32] <Lutin> 'morning ajmitch
[08:33] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon and ajmitch
[08:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon is here, a rare sight these days
[08:34] <imbrandon> hehe ajmitch yea i lurk alot more
[08:34] <ajmitch> almost as much as I do
[08:35] <imbrandon> i'm actualy here alot durring work i just read backscrolls
[08:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:35] <imbrandon> but today ( and the next two ) are mine off
[08:35] <imbrandon> :)
[08:35] <ajmitch> ah
[08:35] <ajmitch> I don't have that luck
[08:35] <imbrandon> mon tue wed seem to be my "normal" days off now
[08:35] <imbrandon> leaste this month
[08:35] <ajmitch> ugh
[08:36] <ajmitch> I prefer having a normal week, and having weekends
[08:36] <ajmitch> since my friends tend to have weekends off as well :)
[08:36] <imbrandon> me too, but i'm still training some new people for the weekends
[08:36] <imbrandon> sooo
[08:36] <ajmitch> ah
[08:37] <ajmitch> yes, I do actually have friends outside of irc ;)
[08:37] <imbrandon> hahah ;)
[08:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: really?!?
[08:37] <LaserJock> I don't
[08:37] <imbrandon> i met this nice little gurl the other night, took some ubuntu time from me ( not that i was complaining though )
[08:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, we had a great night last night at a friend's place :)
[08:38] <fernando> "outside of irc" this makes no sense to me
[08:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: heh
[08:38] <imbrandon> fact i'm supose to call her today sometime .......... hum
[08:38] <pianoboy3333> What are provides in relation to a package/packaging system?
[08:39] <ajmitch> pianoboy3333: virtual packages
[08:39] <ajmitch> eg apache2 can provide httpd
[08:39] <LaserJock> pianoboy3333: there's also some good info in the Debian Policy
[08:39] <ajmitch> exim & postfix can provide mail-transport-agent
[08:39] <pianoboy3333> ajmitch: but what does that mean if apache2 provides httpd, isn't httpd already another package?
[08:39] <imbrandon> or X for xfree86 and xorg
[08:40] <pianoboy3333> Is it just explaining what's in the package?
[08:40] <ajmitch> imbrandon: a little harder, they're too many packages now
[08:40] <ajmitch> pianoboy3333: it's for dependencies
[08:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch, true
[08:40] <ajmitch> so you can have something depend on apache2 | httpd
[08:40] <pianoboy3333> I see...
[08:40] <ajmitch> if you have another webserver installed, the package will use that
[08:40] <ajmitch> otherwise it goes with what the package maintainer suggests
[08:40] <imbrandon> or soemthing depend on a mta but dosent care if its postfix or exim
[08:40] <pianoboy3333> so it's like
[08:41] <pianoboy3333> package X also contains what's in package Y, so if something depends on package Y, it could depend on package Y, or X
[08:41] <ajmitch> pretty much
[08:41] <ajmitch> equivalent functionality
[08:41] <imbrandon> mostly yes
[08:41] <pianoboy3333> ok
[08:41] <imbrandon> hum food
[08:41] <ajmitch> mmmm, food
[08:42] <imbrandon> noodles sounds good right now
[08:42] <ajmitch> heh
[08:42] <ajmitch> noodles & mt dew
[08:42] <ajmitch> what a mix
[08:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:43] <imbrandon> i finaly got CS:SOURCE to install under kubuntu too
[08:43] <imbrandon> w00t
[08:44] <LaserJock> I haven't tried Ramen+Dew, it could be interesting
[08:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:44] <ajmitch> classic student food
[08:44] <LaserJock> I know a guy who always ate his cereal with Dew instead of milk
[08:44] <ajmitch> sick
[08:44] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I thought
[08:44] <LaserJock> but he was in the army
[08:44] <imbrandon> fruity pebbles and dew is nice
[08:44] <LaserJock> and apparently that was a good way to get food fast
[08:44] <LaserJock> plus some caffeine
[08:45] <imbrandon> heh
[08:45] <imbrandon> hum
[08:45] <imbrandon> i'm trying to install debian via plip,very annoying
[08:46] <ajmitch> how slow is it?
[08:46] <imbrandon> very , special since its on a p133
[08:46] <ajmitch> ouch
[08:46] <imbrandon> with 16mb ram
[08:46] <imbrandon> i just want to run a c64 emu on it
[08:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:46] <ajmitch> it'll probably be too slow for that :)
[08:46] <imbrandon> this old lappy with no cdrom or nic
[08:46] <ajmitch> no floppy drive either?
[08:47] <imbrandon> so plip or 100000 floppys was the only choice
[08:47] <ajmitch> nah
[08:47] <ajmitch> I've done a floppy-only install
[08:47] <imbrandon> how many floppys ?
[08:47] <imbrandon> with no nic ?
[08:47] <ajmitch> though that was in the days of potato or earlier
[08:47] <ajmitch> ah, it had a nic, so we just got the bare installer on
[08:47] <imbrandon> yea
[08:48] <ajmitch> with a stack of floppies
[08:48] <imbrandon> see i booted from a floppy and started the plip install
[08:48] <ajmitch> about 3 that we constantly recycled :)
[08:48] <imbrandon> haha yea
[08:48] <imbrandon> i had to find a floppy drive
[08:48] <imbrandon> i dident have one in any of my computers
[08:57] <ScottK> bddebian and crimsun: The revised postfix-policyd-spf-perl is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 - I'd appreciate it if you would look at it/advocate again.
[09:00] <zul> hey ajmitch
[09:01] <ajmitch> hello
[09:10] <bddebian> ScottK: I'm trying, I'm just buried at work atm :-(
[09:11] <LaserJock> hi zul
[09:11] <ScottK> Understand.  I really appreciate your persistence on helping me.  The only change is to add the GPL preamble that crimsun suggested.
[09:24] <Adri2000> bddebian: are you going to merge gwget2?
[09:29] <bddebian> Adri2000: Go ahead and try it :)
[09:29] <Adri2000> I already *tried* :)
[09:52] <tsmithe> bddebian, could you advocate alsa-firmware? :P
[09:57] <bddebian> tsmithe: Did you fix it? :)
[09:57] <tsmithe> well
[09:58] <tsmithe> which?
[09:58] <bddebian> All of them ;-P
[09:58] <tsmithe> huh?? /me confuzzled
[09:59] <Adri2000> LaserJock: in http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html wouldn't it be possible to have a link to the last debian changelog?
[10:01] <ScottK> bddebian: While tsmithe is confused, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4079 is updated to resolve crimsun's comments in addition to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 that I mentioned earlier...
[10:02] <Nafallo> bddebian: vare to look at wave-look @ REVU?
[10:02] <bddebian> tsmithe: I want to talk to crimsun about it since it's alsa and firmware packages aren't my specialty
[10:03] <tsmithe> oh ok
[10:03] <tsmithe> awh
[10:03] <tsmithe> bddebian, i dunno how to fix the alsa-tools script problem, and i don't know how to do man pages for apps i don't know what they do, and am only updating to fix an issue with the new alsa-firmware
[10:03] <tsmithe> plus
[10:03] <ScottK> Nafallo: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3570
[10:03] <tsmithe> the lintian errors on alsa-firmware *are* to de expected
[10:03] <geser> Adri2000: isn't the link to the PTS enough?
[10:03] <Nafallo> ScottK: indeed :-)
[10:05] <bddebian> I've never heard of an "expected" lintian error :)
[10:07] <tsmithe> bddebian, well they are firmware
[10:07] <tsmithe> *s
[10:07] <tsmithe> so they are to expect that error
[10:08] <ScottK> tsmithe: If they are expected, you might want to create over-rides for them and document why.  Then it'll be clearer to people what's going on. http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch2.html#s2.4
[10:09] <tsmithe> hmm
[10:09] <tsmithe> ok
[10:09] <tsmithe> thanks
[10:09] <LaserJock> Adri2000: it's possible, I just don't want to crowd it too much
[10:23] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:23] <Nafallo> that LDAP thing in the Ubuntu Classroom? when was that again?
[10:29] <tsmithe> open week?
[10:31] <LaserJock> Nafallo: ask imbrandon
[10:31] <Nafallo> imbrandon: at LDAP thing in the Ubuntu Classroom? when was that again?
[10:31] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:39] <LaserJock> hmm, any schroot users around?
[10:40] <Adri2000> LaserJock: it'd be useful to see if changes in debian are enough important to request a sync
[10:40] <geser> I use it for preparing uploads
[10:40] <LaserJock> Adri2000: yes, but you can also get that from the PTS link
[10:41] <LaserJock> Adri2000: just with a few more clicks
[10:41] <LaserJock> geser: do you have a feisty one?
[10:41] <LaserJock> I assume so
[10:41] <geser> LaserJock: yes
[10:41] <Adri2000> LaserJock: ok :)
[10:41] <geser> Adri2000: sometimes you need more than the last changelog
[10:41] <LaserJock> geser: would you mind pastebining your config for me?
[10:42] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone
[10:42] <imbrandon> Nafallo, tomarrow
[10:42] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[10:42] <Nafallo> imbrandon: ah. any time set yet? :-)
[10:43] <imbrandon> ummm, i dont rember to be honest, i would have to check my email
[10:43] <joejaxx> bddebian: :)
[10:43] <LaserJock> Nafallo: right after he's stocked is frig with Mt. Dew
[10:43] <bddebian> heh
[10:43] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:43] <Nafallo> haha
[10:43] <bddebian> Nafallo: Go fix wave-look :-)
[10:43] <imbrandon> man its snowy and icey outside, but i dont wanna stay home
[10:44] <tsmithe> imbrandon, lucky devil
[10:44] <Nafallo> bddebian: what's wrong with it? :-P
[10:44] <Nafallo> aha
[10:44] <Nafallo> comments maybe :-)
[10:44] <imbrandon> tsmithe, lucky?
[10:44] <tsmithe> for snow, yeah!
[10:44] <imbrandon> i hate the snow
[10:44] <imbrandon> lol
[10:45] <imbrandon> ugh another mailing list
[10:45] <white> hehe
[10:45] <imbrandon> i already ignore the 50 i'm on
[10:45] <white> well then one more does not make a difference ;)
[10:45] <bddebian> heh
[10:46] <nixternal> haha
[10:46] <bddebian> What's utnubu?
[10:46] <imbrandon> typo i hope
[10:46] <siretart> nope
[10:46] <white> the "merging things from ubuntu into debian" project
[10:46] <nixternal> i have always wondered the same. probably some drunk coder did a typo and it stuck
[10:46] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[10:46] <shawarma> No, it's ubuntu backwards.
[10:46] <bddebian> Oh, I thought that died? ;-P
[10:46] <nixternal> or that
[10:46] <nixternal> hahahaha
[10:46] <siretart> bddebian: utnubu is an debian initiative to merge ubuntu work back to debian!
[10:46] <bddebian> siretart: Yeah, I recall that now :)
[10:47] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[10:47] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:47] <siretart> bddebian: white (and some other crazy guys like me) want to revive it
[10:47] <imbrandon> ohh, i just work with my dd sponsors for the packages i look after heh
[10:47] <siretart> huhu ajmitch, hi imbrandon
[10:47] <imbrandon> heya siretart
[10:47] <bddebian> siretart: Are you a DD?
[10:47] <siretart> bddebian: since about a wekk, yes ;)
[10:47] <bddebian> Ah, nice, congrats
[10:47] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:47] <imbrandon> congrats siretart
[10:47] <ajmitch> siretart: well done
[10:47] <siretart> bddebian: slomo as well, btw :)
[10:47] <bddebian> whoa
[10:48] <imbrandon> i have another DD to bug then ;)
[10:48] <bddebian> heh
[10:48] <white> imbrandon: that's what utnubu is about as well ;)
[10:48] <imbrandon> heh, i'll need an advocate soon i guess ( soon == next 6 months )
[10:48] <siretart> the channel here seems to be pretty crouded with DDs.. which is great
[10:49] <imbrandon> white, i have 2 or 3 that i bug now and then ( and 2 or 3 that bug me about stuff in ubuntu ;P )
[10:49] <bddebian> ScottK: What changed in libnet-dns-foo-bar-baz?
[10:49] <ajmitch> people know not to bug me
[10:49] <imbrandon> :)
[10:50] <imbrandon> hum , time for a clean install, i think i've messed this one up enough
[10:50] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I'm not people ;-)
[10:50] <ScottK> bddebian: I added the license preambles crimsun wanted and added README.Debian-source to the docs file to it gets installed.
[10:50] <LaserJock> well, I hope utnubu gets revived. I'm a little skeptical of projects like that but it'd be nice if they worked well ;-)
[10:50] <white> LaserJock: feel free to join in, you are welcome :)
[10:51] <white> some manpower for writing the wnpp bugs and asking the ubuntu developers if they want to take care of the package in debian as well is needed
[10:52] <white> and then of course reviewing, or giving advices if needed and stuff
[10:52] <bddebian> ScottK: Oh, I thought that was the other one.. Hmm
[10:52] <imbrandon> where is the ML signup page, i guess one more procmail rule wont kill me
[10:52] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:52] <ajmitch> over 1000 rules yet? :)
[10:53] <imbrandon> close
[10:53] <imbrandon> heh
[10:53] <ScottK> bddebian: They both needed the license change.
[10:53] <white> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/utnubu-discuss
[10:53] <ScottK> That was the only change in the other one.
[10:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon: seriously?!?
[10:53] <imbrandon> can we get a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? heheh just tesin
[10:53] <LaserJock> when I used procmail I had ~ 20 rules
[10:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no
[10:55] <bddebian> ScottK: OK, got it
[10:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:57] <imbrandon> heh
[10:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock, did you see http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/15/198212&from=rss
[10:58] <imbrandon> that might intrest you
[10:58] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks for the re-review/advocacy. Any other MOTUs up for looking at  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4079 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 - They are both in need of a 2nd advocate.
[10:59] <LaserJock> imbrandon: wow, that is interesting
[11:00] <Lutin> LaserJock: could you have a look at kayali on revu ? computer algebra system, might interest you :)
[11:00] <bddebian> Lutin: I'm uploading it now :-)
[11:00] <Lutin> bddebian: ohhh great :)
[11:00] <Lutin> thanks :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> phew, got out of that one ;-)
[11:01] <Lutin> hehe
[11:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you just have to learn how to duck fast
[11:04] <imbrandon> haha
[11:04] <imbrandon> wow , ok this laptop is going in the trash
[11:05] <imbrandon> 12+ munites to load a c64 emulator
[11:05] <imbrandon> i mean damn its only a 6510 1mhz proc
[11:05] <imbrandon> i wonder if i could rip the lcd out of it for anything usefull
[11:06] <imbrandon> s/usefull/geek worthy
[11:08] <Nafallo> lol
[11:09] <imbrandon> yea the c64 ran at something like 1.04 mhz
[11:09] <imbrandon> dont rember exactly but something close to that
[11:09] <ScottK> Of course it way only a 6502, not the advanced 6510.
[11:09] <ScottK> way/was
[11:09] <imbrandon> the 6510 was justa 6502 with more busses iirc
[11:10] <imbrandon> ahh yea
[11:10] <imbrandon> 6510 @ 1.02 MHz (NTSC version) / 0.99MHz (PAL version)
[11:11] <imbrandon> peeks and pokes from my childhood
[11:11] <imbrandon> heh
[11:11] <ScottK> Didn't know that.  I went from 6502 to Z80 and nevery did anything with 6510.
[11:11] <imbrandon> yea , infact the c64 had an add on cart that added a z80 proc
[11:11] <imbrandon> so you could do cb/m stuff
[11:12] <ScottK> Yep.  I had an add-on card for my Apple ] [+ that did Z80.
[11:12] <bddebian> Sing it LaserJock
[11:12] <tsmithe> @lart lintian-overrides! why do you hate me, lintian???
[11:13] <imbrandon> MOS Technology 6510/8500 (the 6510/8500 being a modified 6502 with an integrated 6-bit I/O port)
[11:13] <imbrandon> ScottK, ^^
[11:13] <ScottK> Hrrm.  This brings back memories.
[11:13] <imbrandon> heh i even though about getting one of those c64 DTV things and modding it the other day
[11:13] <ScottK> It was a Z80 project on the Apple ] [+ that was the first time I stayed awake so long programming that I started hallucinating.
[11:14] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:14] <ScottK> When the guy over your shoulder starts making suggestions and you're the only one in the room, it's time to go to bed.
[11:15] <imbrandon> or when you feel something cold on your shoulder and look up to see its the floor , it might be time to stay there
[11:16] <ScottK> Yeah, althougth that's never happened to me because of programming.
[11:16] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:16] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:19] <crimsun> bddebian: hi
[11:20] <ScottK> crimsun: Hi.
[11:20] <crimsun> ScottK: hi
[11:21] <imbrandon> hi, *
[11:21] <crimsun> hi, motu trinity member
[11:21] <bddebian> crimsun: Heya
[11:21] <LaserJock> bah
[11:21] <ScottK> I updated my packages to fix the licensing question and install the README.Debian-packaging problems http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4079 I'd appreciate another look when you have a moment.
[11:21] <crimsun> wow, all three of the trinity present
[11:21] <crimsun> we are blessed!
[11:22] <imbrandon> lol
[11:23] <LaserJock> hmm, I saw s/blessed/cursed/
[11:23] <bddebian> heh
[11:23] <bddebian> crimsun: If you get a minute could you possibly check out alsa-tools and alsa-firmware on REVU?
[11:24] <crimsun> I've been attempting to get revu work done, but wifi has not been cooperating, so I took a break to swim
[11:25] <LaserJock> birrrr, too cold to swim here
[11:27] <bddebian> crimsun: No worries
[11:28] <tsmithe> crimsun, so are you possibly able to do some now? /me asks
[11:28] <crimsun> tsmithe: you're queued behind ScottK
[11:29] <ScottK> Cool.
[11:29] <tsmithe> crimsun, cool
[11:29] <tsmithe> k
[11:29] <Adri2000> crimsun: and where am I? :p
[11:29] <crimsun> sheesh
[11:30] <LaserJock> hmm, schroot is creeping me out. I'm not sure what it's doing :-)
[11:30] <tsmithe> bddebian, thanks greatly for asking for me :D
[11:30] <bddebian> Adri2000: What's your package?
[11:30] <Adri2000> bddebian: it's merges and syncs on malone
[11:30] <bddebian> Ah, pfft :)
[11:31] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/~adri2000/+reportedbugs :)
[11:33] <crimsun>   postfix-policyd-spf-perl_1.08.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[11:33] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:33] <crimsun> thanks for your work!
[11:33] <ScottK> Thank you!
[11:34] <bddebian> w00t, finally! :-)
[11:38] <crimsun> ScottK: sorry, I should have been clearer: the section that's normally quoted in debian/copyright is the section at the end of /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[11:39] <ScottK> Argh.
[11:39] <crimsun> ScottK: the part following "To do so, attach the following notices to the program"
[11:39] <ScottK> OK.
[11:39] <ScottK> How about the artistic license quote?
[11:39] <crimsun> that's fine
[11:39] <ScottK> OK.
[11:39] <ScottK> I'll be right back.
[11:42] <bddebian> Gah, gotta head home, later gang
[11:42] <crimsun> cya
[11:42] <ScottK> Arghhh
[11:50] <ScottK> crimsun: The new ID is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4081.  I'd appreciate getting another look...
[11:57] <crimsun>   libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl_0.002.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[11:57] <crimsun> thank yo!
[11:57] <crimsun> you, even
[11:57] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:00] <Hello58>  hi all
[12:00] <ScottK> Thanks for reviewing.  The one remaining package I have pending needs that one in the archives before it will build, so in the meantime I'll review that package for lessons learned from these two.
[12:00] <ScottK> HI Hello58
[12:01] <Hello58>  hi scott
[12:01] <Hello58>  can you help me out with installation of murrine?
[12:02] <crimsun> ...
[12:03] <crimsun> ok, there's conspiracy afoot
[12:03] <crimsun> that random drive-by corresponded with a panhandler just accosting me in the coffee shop
[12:05] <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, see anybody in a suit and black glasses around?
[12:06] <LaserJock> if somebody comes up to you and says their name is Jack Bauer, run
[12:08] <geser> LaserJock: did you got schroot running?
[12:10] <LaserJock> geser: yes, although I'm not really sure how to use it or what it's doing
[12:10] <LaserJock> I did schroot -c feisty and I get a chroot
[12:10] <LaserJock> it must mount my /home though
[12:11] <geser> schroot does it for me (mounting /home)


[01:28] <IrcsomeBot1> Ahgz was added by: Ahgz
[02:37] <Ricardo123456789> Hello. I have a question. I have an amd vega 56 vga. Is there any meaningful benefit in installing the amd closed source driver? I noticed they have two, a pro one (probably for openCL) and a normal one.
 Cool
[04:31] <Maik> @Swift110 could you please be so kind and stop posting nonsense in this support channel? We said many times before that if you want to chit-chat or have fun you can go to #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic.
 How can I update my kernel?
[05:22] <Maik> @SharGen19 could you be more specific?
[05:23] <Maik> what version of Kubutnu are you running and which kernel you have now
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/eo3HuhTl/file_37312.jpg
 sorry im new to linux
 but i suppose thats what ur asking for?
[05:36] <Maik> @ShareGen19  5.4.0-48 is the latest stable kernel available through the official Ubuntu repositories, so you are fine.
 oh ok cool
[05:47] <benaya> why is the default language for kenya not english?
[06:37] <lordievader> Good morning
 Good morning
[06:53] <andrey_> a
 Hey guys!
 How do I search for flatpaks in discover?
 Kubuntu 20.04 here
 I installed the flatpak plugin as per the instructions on flathub
 https://flatpak.org/setup/Kubuntu/
 it is showing up in discover:
 (Photo, 510x260) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0pSNSkkR/file_37316.jpg
 But for a program that I know exists in both the ubuntu archives and on flathub, it still shows only the version from the archives.
 What am I doing wrong?
 first time flatpakker here.
 Hm... installed via the website. But pdfarranger won't start. neither the version from the archive nor from flathub...
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/TVOPi6gh/file_37321.jpg
 how can i update my repos
 im having this error
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wA7xx2CM/file_37322.jpg
 also how can i add open weeather
 im unable to find my city in that
[08:36] <oerheks> 1. disable cdrom in your repo settings
 I'm also get an error or issue, half of my screen turn blank/black for a sec or so. What can be the issue? How may I fix it?
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[09:13] <Kelar> what is this
[09:13] <Kelar> Starting pkgProblemResolver with broken count: 0
[09:13] <Kelar> in apt-get
 After reboot this screen issue fixed
 Idk what was wrong
 But where is repo settings?
[09:18] <Kelar> does anyone know
 @oerheks, .
[09:19] -Kelar:#kubuntu- CANONICAL FFFF FUCK YOU .!.
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 Ig now it's fixed
[09:23] <lordievader> Kelar: Could you pastebin that error?
[10:55] <IrcsomeBot1> Abhishek23180 was added by: Abhishek23180
 @lordievader, Uhm which one?
 1st one got fixed after disable an option
 3rd one got fixed after a reboot
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:04] <marioc> is anyone active?
[15:14] <IrcsomeBot1> Shaun was added by: Shaun
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 How to fix it?
 I'm unable to run that appimage
 https://www.fsf.org/events/fsf35 FSF is having a Birthday party event in 10 minutes
[15:24] <BluesKaj> @SharGen19, scroll down to #2 here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1066664/kdenlive-appimage-file-how-to-get-it-to-show-in-list-of-applications
[15:25] <oerheks> if that appimage is stored on ntfs/fat32, it will not run
[15:25] <bittin-M> https://www.fsf.org/events/fsf35 FSF is having a Birthday party event in 6 minutes
[15:25] <BluesKaj> @bittin-M, no spamming please
[18:18] <IrcsomeBot1> <shuhao zhang> Too hard, lol
[18:22] <nejni> is there a command to start a gui application on a remote logged in kubuntu machine over ssh?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/I31BQREP/file_37355.jpg desktop freezes within like ten minutes of starting to use, then I pressed ctrl + alt + f2, and I guess this is called tty terminal, here it keeps repeating this
 Feels like the issue is related to Firefox somehow, have closed it and using chromium and all other things very well now, too quick for a judgement but the issue feels gone for now
[19:18] <valorie> @therealriganb that looks to my inexpert eyes like a failing disk
[19:18] <valorie> I would check my backups if I were you
 @valorie, Maybeeeeeeee, shit how could I forget, I am soon going to get it replaced anyway, it's pretty old and gives really slow I/O speeds now
[19:19] <valorie> yikes
 @valorie, Umm, what does checking backup actually mean?
[19:19] <valorie> backup ASAP then
 I don't have any data on this laptop for now anyway
 Just backed up everything yesterday and doing clean installs
[19:20] <valorie> I use rsync to usb drives
[19:20] <valorie> oh cool
 Now I feel embarrassed that I couldn't figure that out myself, since whenever I am booting this device up since 2 says, it's giving me a warning regarding the HDD and asking me to backup data as well
[19:21] <valorie> I usually also backup all of home including ~/.config
 I will come to back to ask questions regarding doing backups in a month or so
[19:22] <valorie> the reason I want configs is for instance konversation, my client for IRC -- I want the logs, I want the settings
[19:22] <valorie> most other configs I don't move back
[19:22] <valorie> they are just text files so they are small
[19:25] <woozalia> When I set up backup scripts for remote servers, I usually include /etc, /home, /var, and /root (because I am bad and do a lot of stuff as root, so a few useful things end up in that folder).
[19:29] <valorie> I have backed those up in the past, mostly to see what's there
[19:30] <valorie> they have never been useful so far, but rsync is quick
[19:37] <IrcsomeBot1> murdock86 was added by: murdock86
[20:38] <IrcsomeBot1> Дима Рыбкина was added by: Дима Рыбкина
[21:13] <CoJaBo> When doing manual setup with a UEFI partition (I don't want to repartition the whole thing, as it has data on it already), do I need to format the EFI System Partition in some way? The installer shows an error about VFAT, and then hangs formatting the / partition...
[21:14] <CoJaBo> I googled this, and most of what comes up is "you should never format it", but it didn't exist before so it's already blank..
[21:19] <valorie> CoJaBo: I suggest asking in #ubuntu if you don't get an answer here
[21:19] <valorie> much larger chan
[21:20] <valorie> and also no different in ubuntu and kubuntu
[21:20] <CoJaBo> Yeh, just did
[21:30] <valorie> !efi
[21:30] <valorie> CoJaBo: might help.... ^
[21:32] <CoJaBo> valorie: Apparently, some of the problems I'm hitting are because the installer didn't quit cleanly; gonna restart and try again
[21:33] <CoJaBo> I think my issues might've been that I DID need to format it first, but when the installer failed the first time, it left stuff in a messy state
[21:34] <CoJaBo> Looks promising; copying files now, and no errors yet. Taking bets on whether it'll boot at the end.........
[21:35] <valorie> cool!
[21:36] <CoJaBo> It also really, really annoys me that the tab-order is broken on the first screen, gah how mnay times I needed to do that
[21:54] <CoJaBo> aaaand it crashed. wtf
[21:57] <CoJaBo> I hit this. damnit  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1871268
[22:23] <al_> Hello World
[22:27] <woozalia> valorie: /etc has config stuff, /var has mainly logs and databases -- though of course it's better to export dbs properly and then back up the exports, but in a pinch I've been able to recover MySQL dbs from just a straight backup of /var.


[01:26] <sisto> hi
[12:19] <mase_slapt> ping Volans
[12:19] <Volans> mase_slapt: pong :)
[12:20] <mase_slapt> Volans: internationalisation question for you
[12:21] <mase_slapt> say i set my browser to cp-1251 (cryillic) and i make an http request to an apache server
[12:21] <mase_slapt> when i get the data in python/php
[12:22] <mase_slapt> what charset does apache give it to me in ?
[12:22] <mase_slapt> is the HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET accurate ?
[12:23] <mase_slapt> or is that just what the browser is willing to accept
[12:25] <Volans> good question... I'm trying now and seems that the browser choice is only local, you can change the encoding of the loaded page, but I think it don't send to the server the encoding
[12:25] <Volans> if you want I have a test page
[12:26] <Volans> and I found always: [HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET] => ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
[12:27] <Volans> no matter what encoding I have set in FF2
[12:29] <Volans> mase_slapt I think that HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET is not the good place to see, because the charset is overwitten by the HTTP response, with the  Content-Type
[12:30] <Volans> or with the default charset of apache configuration
[12:32] <mase_slapt> hmm that is also my experience.
[12:33] <mase_slapt> thanks
[12:33] <Volans> and in an international content maybe use utf-8 is the best choice
[12:33] <Volans> s/content/contest/
[12:34] <mase_slapt> yeh i am trying to
[12:35] <mase_slapt> basically trying to write validation routines
[12:35] <mase_slapt> so that i get content in say $_GET / $_POST under PHP, and i can remove things like null bytes etc... that don't do anything
[12:35] <mase_slapt> cept null bytes are easy
[12:35] <mase_slapt> UTF-8 control chars are hard.
[12:36] <mase_slapt> gotta make sure the content is UTF-8 first
[12:36] <Volans> depends on how you use the data after... save to a DB, print into the page, etc...
[12:37] <mase_slapt> erm yeh but i already have that stuff covered....provided its in UTF-8
[12:37] <mase_slapt> getting there is proving tricky/
[12:38] <mase_slapt> well reliably anyway
[12:42] <mase_slapt> hmm kubuntu seems to have resumed for the first time ever!
[12:42] <mase_slapt> rock on
[12:43] <Volans> lol
[12:43] <Volans> ryanakca: ping
[12:45] <emunkki> mase_slapt, resumed for what?
[12:45] <mase_slapt> from suspend / hibernate
[12:46] <mase_slapt> i ran out of battery
[12:46] <emunkki> a-ha
[12:46] <mase_slapt> it went to sleep, of some sort
[12:46] <mase_slapt> and came back
[12:46] <mase_slapt> it's a miricle
[12:46] <mase_slapt> miracle*
[12:46] <mase_slapt> something =)
[12:46] <emunkki> anyway for websites + kubuntu
[12:46] <emunkki> ryanakca asked me if i could do some work with the kubuntu start page etc.
[12:48] <Volans> oh good! you want to make a similar version for K or a completely different page?
[12:48] <Volans> (we still don't know what kind of page we will do)
[12:48] <emunkki> for K?
[12:48] <Volans> yes
[12:48] <emunkki> http://emonk.fi/work/kubuntu/kubuntu_startpage_mockup_2.png
[12:48] <Volans> for Kubuntu
[12:48] <emunkki> here's my current mockup
[12:49] <Volans> great, only a question... how about localization?
[12:49] <emunkki> what about it?
[12:50] <Volans> the Ubuntu start page is made in every Ubuntu localization
[12:50] <emunkki> yes?
[12:50] <Volans> and there are 2 different start page, the online version and the offline one
[12:50] <Volans> sure
[12:50] <Volans> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ is localized based on the browser language
[12:50] <emunkki> yes sure
[12:50] <emunkki> we're not yet in that stage anyway
[12:50] <Volans> and in file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/ you can find all the offline versions
[12:51] <Volans> the text is translated by the doc team
[12:51] <Volans> so for intrepid a english only version and maybe for intrepid+1 the full localized one?
[12:51] <emunkki> if only the backend supports l10n, there's no problem
[12:52] <emunkki> don't know if i will be responsible for the backend
[12:52] <emunkki> (or to be more exact, if i have the time for it)
[12:52] <mase_slapt> Volans: so the doc team didn't go with your proposal ?
[12:53] <Volans> mase_slapt: I was telling the actual situation
[12:53] <mase_slapt> ignore me then :)
[12:53] <Volans> I'm waiting that the two Matt (news and mdke) will ask the Doc Team
[12:53] <Volans> but also with our proposal the translation will be made by the doc team, through launchpas
[12:53] <Volans> *launchpad
[12:54] <Volans> emunkki: with backend you tell the text part of the page?
[12:54] <emunkki> Volans, well the backend loads the l10n from somewhere depending on the locale
[12:54] <emunkki> it doesn't have anything to do with the theme
[12:55] <Volans> wait... this is possible for the offline version... for the online version actually I know that there is one page for each locale
[12:55] <Volans> static pages
[12:55] <emunkki> gnaa
[12:56] <emunkki> well then it will be a job for the l10n teams
[12:56] <Volans> but the trick is that the text of the online and offline version is the same
[12:56] <emunkki> i can write a script which search for l10n file for every l10n
[12:56] <Volans> for kubuntu?
[12:57] <emunkki> for the online page
[12:57] <emunkki> or the offline
[12:57] <emunkki> doesn't really matter
[12:57] <emunkki> it's *really* easy
[12:58] <Volans> I know! at the moment I have suggested to change a little the management of the whole process to simplify it
[12:59] <emunkki> sounds good.
[12:59] <Volans> the requirement of static pages for the online version for Ubuntu is due to the fact that the server that serve those pages is a static-content server as news have tell us
[12:59] <emunkki> d'oh
[13:00] <Volans> but the problem is not so simple because involve many teams, the doc team, the canonical guys, etc...
[13:00] <emunkki> well then make a script to run whenever a l10n team updates/adds translation
[13:00] <emunkki> and upload new files
[13:00] <Volans> I know that there is a python script that "create" all those pages based on the offline version that is translated by the doc team
[13:00] <emunkki> ok
[13:01] <Volans> but I will put the project in a more simple way with regular .po files in order to use launchpad for the translation with all their features
[13:01] <emunkki> so the theme should just be a layout with replaceable "variable spots"
[13:01] <Volans> /I will/I would/
[13:01] <emunkki> or?
[13:01] <Volans> exactly
[13:01] <emunkki> ok
[13:02] <emunkki> that's not a problem
[13:02] <Volans> the most big problem is not technical in this case...
[13:02] <emunkki> if somebody can come up with documentation
[13:02] <emunkki> or sth
[13:02] <emunkki> that i know what i should do
[13:03] <Volans> sure, will be good!, I think in the meanwhile you can understand for Kubuntu who is in charge to decide what to put in the start page...
[13:03] <Volans> we are trying to do that in Ubuntu.... :)
[13:03] <Volans> and is still not really clear
[13:04] <emunkki> well i think ryanakca does that for kubuntu
[13:04] <emunkki> don't really know
[13:06] <Volans> ask him when come back ;)
[13:06] <Volans> now I have to go to lunch... see you later...
[13:06] <emunkki> yeah
[13:06] <Volans> bye bye
[13:06] <emunkki> bon appetit
[18:06] <ryanakca> Volans: pong
[18:07] <Volans> Hi ryanakca, I see that the site is already not updated with the fix...
[18:07] <Volans> you don't have server access?
[18:08] <ryanakca> Volans: Nope
[18:08] <Volans> have you already ask for that? :)
[18:09] <ryanakca> asked for server access? Nope. But I don't think they would even if I asked... they might give it to Riddell though
[18:10] <Volans> otherwise you can use bzr  from the official bzr branch on the server and ask the sysadmins to put in cron an automatic update one time a day or so (checking if there is any update available)
[18:10] <Volans> ;)
[18:10] <Volans> just a suggestion
[18:11] <ryanakca> I think it's because they want to review everything that goes onto their servers... I haven't really been around long enough to be really trusted, and there would be nothing to prevent me from sticking some malicious js on their servers... I'd do the same in their place...
[18:12] <ryanakca> but Riddell is an employee, I'll ask him if he could ask to get write access...
[18:13] <Volans> a user access only to the site files can't compromise the server security, of course can do that with the site, but if you are maintaining that site is normal :)
[18:15] <jpds> ryanakca: Riddell has access.
[18:16] <Volans> ok good.. so you can ask him when you have to upgrade
[18:16] <ryanakca> jpds: odd, he just said he didn't and probably couldn't get access :)
[18:16] <jpds> ryanakca: kubuntu.org/~jriddell ?
[18:16] <ryanakca> jpds: dunno, *shrug*
[18:17] <jpds> He was the one who commited my patches for the old site.
[22:44] <Volans> newz2000: Hi, any news for the start page? (I will not be online for the next 24 hours or so)
[23:02] <alefteris> newz2000, do you have a few minutes to update the forums list page at the drupal site? can I point you to lp bugs?
[23:03] <Volans> Hi alefteris
[23:04] <alefteris> hello Volans
[23:04] <Volans> I have noticed newz2000 yesterday and put in the last similar bug all the links to the others
[23:05] <Volans> see my commento on the bug 252369
[23:05] <ubot3`> Malone bug 252369 in ubuntu-website "Community web forums page should include Hebrew forums" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/252369
[23:06] <Volans> iirc he told me that probably he will do it today...
[23:06] <alefteris> Volans, thanks for the info :)
[23:07] <Volans> my pleasure :)


[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <kycalica> new to Qt development, kinda confused if Qt Quick is the lingo for Qt desktop GUI app. Saw the examples but it looks like it uses javascript 0.o
[07:29] <davidcalle> Good morning :)
[07:39] <tekojo> kycalica: yes Qt Quick can use js for the logic, and yes it will run anywhere Qt runs
[08:06] <dpm> dholbach, mhall119 and alexabreu were having difficulties building a doc package for the HTML5 API docs, which is blocking the release of the new API site. We have a workaround, but it'd be good if we could use the package. Would you mind getting in touch with them when they're up to see if you can lend them a hand?
[08:08] <dholbach> dpm, will do - I'll have a chat with dbarth_ in #ubuntu-webapps
[08:08] <dpm> awesome, thanks dholbach
[08:08] <dpm> I can't recall which package it was exactly, but they should know
[08:49] <nerochiaro> balloons: ping
[09:25] <dholbach> hey jdstrand, any objections to uploading a new click-reviewers-tools to the archive?
[09:25] <dholbach> nerochiaro, it's 5:25 in the morning where balloons lives :)
[09:26] <nerochiaro> dholbach: ah thanks. it always confuses me when people leave their IRC clients on when they are not around
[09:27] <dholbach> yeah :)
[09:47] <dholbach> popey (and everyone): nice work getting the help app displayed more prominently :)
[13:11] <jdstrand> dholbach: no objection, but might hold off-- I'm finishing a big update for snappy today/tomorrow
[13:14] <sturmflut-work> The "official" Google+ web app seems to be broken with recent releases, can anyone confirm? I am not sure if I somehow screwed up during the initial account registration (mobile data was very unstable at that point) or if it is a general problem
[13:14] <dholbach> jdstrand, ok cool - thanks!
[13:46] <leouss4dev> hey anyone know how to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ?
[13:49] <leouss4dev> hellooooo
[13:51] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: According to the documentation, there is a QT5_ADD_RESOURCES command
[13:54] <leouss4dev> yeah I added that but it's clearly that it's not included in the executable file after compiling so i can't use it there's some thing missing
[13:55] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: Sorry, no idea. Never tried it.
[13:55] <sverzegnassi> [UI question] Is there any UITK app that highlights an item in a ListView? (i.e. I'm not sure about this -> https://imgur.com/Yo8x3rn )
[13:56] <leouss4dev> ok thank you but do you know anyone can help me ?
[13:58] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: Most likely the Qt developers
[15:53] <POPkiller> hy ppl
[23:38] <leouss4dev> How to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ? I can't find a working instruction. I found only one thing, add this to CMakeLists.txt: qt5_add_resources(RESOURCES modules/ProjectName/resources.qrc) with this the file is finally shown in the files tree in Qt but it's clearly that the file is not included in the executable after compiling so what to do ?
[23:43] <leouss4dev> is this a dead channel ? can anyone answer !!