[00:00] <yax51> Hi!! Ok I'm trying to play Elderscolls: oblivion on ubuntu 9.10....I have wine, and found a solution, but I don't really understand whats going on....
[00:00] <yax51> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=349764
[00:01] <yax51> would someone be able to walk me through this
[00:02] <jgoguen> yax51: I'm not familiar with Oblivion, but I can try. What are you having trouble understanding?
[00:04] <yax51> the solution....I am not sure how to implement it....I went through it, but the part with the iso confused me as well as the cab extract part...
[00:05] <yax51> and on step 2 with the packages...
[00:21] <jgoguen> yax51: Sorry for the delay...did you go to the link at the top of the first post?
[00:23] <yax51> yeah, but I am not sure if I am doing it right, some of the instructions don't make much sense to me.....but then again I am a total noob at this....
[00:25] <jgoguen> yax51: That's fine :)  Were you able to run the part with 'winecfg'?
[00:26] <yax51> yes, but what about the cab extract and putting the dll into the wine/system32 folder?
[00:28] <jgoguen> yax51: You may not need to do that.  If you run "wine --version" without the quote marks, what does it say?
[00:29] <yax51> it says command not found
[00:29] <jgoguen> OK, but you were able to go through winecfg properly?
[00:29] <yax51> yes
[00:30] <jgoguen> OK, what exactly did you type into your terminal window?  It should have been: wine --version
[00:30] <yax51> yax51@yax51-Unbuntu:~$ wine--version
[00:31] <yax51> wine--version: command not found
[00:31] <jgoguen> You missed a space there :)
[00:31] <jgoguen> wine --version
[00:31] <yax51> ooops forgot a space....wine 1.0.1
[00:31] <jgoguen> :)
[00:33] <jgoguen> OK, second
[00:34] <jgoguen> yax51: OK, do you have your Oblivion CD in the drive?
[00:35] <yax51> yes
[00:37] <jgoguen> Alright, so enter this command exactly as it is here: cabextract /media/cdrom/DXREDIST/Aug2005_d3dx9_27_x86.cab
[00:37] <jgoguen> that should all be on one line
[00:37] <jgoguen> Space between cabextract and the long path name
[00:37] <jgoguen> Let me know what it says, if it says anything.
[00:37] <yax51> yax51@yax51-Unbuntu:~$ cabextract /media/cdrom/DXREDIST/Aug2005_d3dx9_27_x86.cab
[00:37] <yax51> /media/cdrom/DXREDIST/Aug2005_d3dx9_27_x86.cab: WARNING; possible 6848 extra bytes at end of file.
[00:37] <yax51> Extracting cabinet: /media/cdrom/DXREDIST/Aug2005_d3dx9_27_x86.cab
[00:37] <yax51>   extracting d3dx9_27_x86.cat
[00:37] <yax51>   extracting d3dx9_27.dll
[00:37] <yax51>   extracting aug2005_d3dx9_27_x86.inf
[00:37] <yax51>   extracting d3dx9_27_w9x.inf
[00:37] <yax51>   extracting d3dx9_27_x86.inf
[00:38] <yax51> All done, no errors.
[00:38] <jgoguen> yax51: OK good, now this command: cp d3dx9_27.dll ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32/
[00:38] <jgoguen> Again, all one line, space after "cp" and a second space after "d3dx9_27.dll"
[00:39] <jgoguen> That shouldn't give any output
[00:39] <yax51> done
[00:40] <yax51> should I do the winecfg and the appropriate changes?
[00:40] <jgoguen> Have you done the registry editing part yet?
[00:40] <yax51> no
[00:41] <jgoguen> OK, well enter the command "regedit" and we'll go through that
[00:41] <yax51> thats the wine regedit.exe?
[00:41] <jgoguen> Yep
[00:42] <yax51> ok
[00:43] <jgoguen> Now, go to the registry key it says to, HKEY_CURRENT_USER / Software / Wine / Direct3D
[00:43] <jgoguen> If you don't see the Direct3D folder under Wine that's OK
[00:43] <yax51> ok, I don't see the Direct3d folder
[00:44] <jgoguen> OK, right-click on the Wine folder and choose New -> Key. When asked for a name, give it Direct3D
[00:44] <jgoguen> The capitalization may be important so make sure to enter it exactly as Direct3D
[00:45] <yax51> ok finished
[00:46] <jgoguen> Now, you see where it says on the page to create the three registry keys?
[00:46] <yax51> yes
[00:47] <jgoguen> Go ahead and create the first two of them, we need to do some work to find the value for the third
[00:47] <yax51> so I create value and name iteach of those?
[00:47] <yax51> *it each
[00:48] <jgoguen> Yes, create a new String value, name it what's in the left column and give it the value of what's in the right column
[00:48] <yax51> ok
[00:49] <jgoguen> Now, for the third value, we need to do a little work to get the correct number
[00:49] <jgoguen> Open a new Terminal window and enter this command, let me know what it says: lspci | grep VGA
[00:50] <yax51> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9800M GS] (rev a1)
[00:51] <jgoguen> K good :)  Now this command: lspci -v -s 01:00.0 | grep prefetchable
[00:51] <yax51> 	Memory at fc000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[00:51] <yax51> 	Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[00:51] <yax51> 	Memory at fa000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M]
[00:52] <jgoguen> And last, this command: uname -m
[00:52] <yax51> i686
[00:53] <jgoguen> k, so now go ahead and create that third key it says, and use "256" as the value for it
[00:53] <yax51> ok
[00:54] <jgoguen> That should do it for you.  If you close Regedit you should be able to play Oblivion.
[00:54] <jgoguen> I have to run for a few minutes, but I'll be back.  Let me know how it goes, or if you still can't get it
[00:54] <yax51> ok thanks!
[00:54] <jgoguen> No problem :)
[01:16] <yax51> VICTORY!!!
[01:21] <yax51> ok it works....the only thing is that it's not full screen but that something I can live with
[01:33] <jgoguen> yax51: Awesome :)
[01:33] <Benny1983> Hello I am new I was hoping someone might be able to help me get started please!!!
[01:33] <Benny1983> I have just installed and am completely stuck!
[01:33] <jgoguen> Benny1983: What are you having problems with?
[01:34] <Benny1983> i have installed ubuntu 9.04 (i think)
[01:34] <Benny1983> but I haven't used linux before, well apart from the last 2 days on YDL
[01:35] <Benny1983> but i have done the install, and I want to install vlc player only I dont have permission.
[01:35] <jgoguen> OK, well when you installed the system, it should have asked you for your name, your username, and a password.
[01:35] <Benny1983> i have tried the command sudo but I can't make it work. from what I have read so fare I need to be a root
[01:36] <Benny1983> when I installed i set up an account "benny" with password1123 etc
[01:36] <jgoguen> Please never put your password in a public area :)
[01:36] <Benny1983> thats not it thats just a example
[01:36] <Benny1983> lol
[01:36] <jgoguen> OK good  :)
[01:37] <jgoguen> I'm just slightly paranoid about security ;)
[01:37] <jgoguen> So when you go to install software through either the Ubuntu Software Centre or through Synaptic Package Manager, it should ask you for a password.  It's asking for the same password you use to log in with.
[01:38] <Benny1983> on YDL i set up a root account, ubuntu didnt ask me to so i have no idea how to make apt-get which I think is what ubuntu uses instead of yum? if im wrong sorry, as i say only been trying the last 2 days
[01:38] <Benny1983> I've tried that it says i dont have permission
[01:38] <jgoguen> OK, do you have a terminal window open now?
[01:39] <Benny1983> yes
[01:39] <Benny1983> I have a promp benny@ubuntu-ps3:~$
[01:39] <Benny1983> prompt*
[01:39] <jgoguen> OK, try this command, you should get a string of numbers: id -G
[01:40] <Benny1983> it returned "1000"
[01:40] <jgoguen> That's all?  Try this one: id -nG
[01:41] <Benny1983> Oh! btw I forgot to mention and it might be important, im using a PS3
[01:41] <Benny1983> yes jsut one line
[01:41] <jgoguen> I don't know if that's important or not, I don't know how the PS3 port works :)
[01:42] <jgoguen> But if all you get is the one number, that explains why you can't install software; you aren't listed as an administrator
[01:42] <Benny1983> id -nG gives only "benny"
[01:44] <Benny1983> FYI YDL 6.2 worked pretty well right out the box so to speak, this seems even better ifi can get myself going. but i broke all the YDL repositories follwing guides on the web trying to update things.
[01:44] <jgoguen> OK, I would recommend going to #ubuntu-ps3, maybe they can help you better
[01:44] <jgoguen> Yea, the problem with guides on the Internet is some of them are just completely wrong :)
[01:45] <jgoguen> Benny1983: I checked the Ubuntu PS3 port home page, the official channel for that port is #ubuntu-ps3
[01:45] <Benny1983> yeah lots seemed to conflict with where the repos should point. i think there must be a right place for them to point but every guide had something completley different...
[01:45] <jgoguen> If there's something different about the PS3 port, they would know better there
[01:45] <Benny1983> Ok well I will go and check it out.
[01:46] <Benny1983> Thank you for pointing me in the right direction
[01:46] <jgoguen> Not a problem, feel free to drop back in for anything else
[01:47] <Benny1983> thanks, my email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you ever want to ask me to help with anything. not that I know anything about linux but if i can be of any assistance another way. very much appreciated!
[01:50] <Benny1983> +jgoguen there dont seem to be many people on it, maybe it's not a very active chat.
[01:51] <jgoguen> Benny1983: They could just be idle...two of them are set away
[01:52] <jgoguen> That happens in here sometimes too, there's lots of people around but it does happen that no one is actually at their computer
[01:53] <Benny1983> Do you know where there is an forum I could post this question to that gets read frequently?
[01:55] <Benny1983> to do everything in YDL i was using terminal and using "su" and yum to install. I cant get anything going on this at the moment and it's quite annoying. however I'm quite impressed that in the  maybe 6 hours of using linux
[01:55] <jgoguen> You could try http://psubuntu.com
[01:57] <Benny1983> I have got it to recognise my ipod. im hoping that I will be able to back up my ipod to an external hdd and keep the filenames as they were named on my ipod not the truncated ones they give me
[01:57] <Benny1983> THANK YOU!!
[01:58] <Benny1983> I will search their forums before I post hopefully someone will have had a similar problem before me.
[01:59] <jgoguen> Hopefully they can help you, I don't know how their setup may differ
[02:02] <Benny1983> tbh i think it is pretty good as a standard install, I havent touched any settings because of this one issue and as standard ubuntu has picked up my wired connection, recognised my hard ipod and read the database, and im able to use the net to speak to you!
[02:03] <Benny1983> YDL i had to fiddle with, i chose that as aparently its optimised for ps3, It worked but it wasn't as user ffirendly.
[02:08] <Benny1983> one more question +jgoguen, what would you search for for my issue? i'm not sure if i am asking the right question. I need to add myself to the admin list?
[02:10] <jgoguen> Specifically, you need to add your username to the adm group
[02:11] <jgoguen> Since you have no way to get admin access from in Ubuntu, you'll need to find out how to boot into single user mode and edit /etc/group and /etc/gshadow from the command line
[02:12] <Benny1983> OK well I'll search around that topic first then, thanks. all the tutorials I have seen use a "sudo" command, I dont think user "benny" has access to sudo anyway so thats kaput for a start!
[02:13] <jgoguen> Yep...although as the first user created, you should have been added to the adm group right away...hopefully someone on the psubuntu forums can help more
[02:14] <Benny1983> is copying the error message returned in terminal and pasting it into googling a standard way of finding fixes for problems or is there a more elegant method? ie
[02:14] <jgoguen> Sometimes it works, but in this case you're probably best to search for something along the lines of "ubuntu ps3 boot single user" or something similar to that
[02:15] <Benny1983> Okay thank you!
[02:15] <jgoguen> And make sure you've got another computer somewhere so you can find out how to use nano if needed :)
[02:18] <Benny1983> hmm I dont't i have an iphone to browse the web if i need to search and cant connect here i hope that will be enough. I used nano to try and make a ipod mount automatically in YDL and thats how I broke everything last time. I had a feeling something wasn't right editinig repositories every time I needed to do things!
[02:20] <jgoguen> Well just remember that once you boot into single user mode, use "vigr" to edit the group file and then use "vigr -s" to edit the group shadow file...in both, find the line that starts with "adm" and add your username to the very end of that line for both commands
[02:21] <jgoguen> In nano, press Ctrl+X to save the file you're working on and then exit...think that's all you need to know about nano for this :)
[02:23] <Benny1983> ahh I will try and do that now thanks!
[02:23] <jgoguen> No problem :)
[02:26] <Benny1983> what I have come up with so far is If I add my name to the sudoers file I should be set, how do i find the file to edit it?
[02:29] <jgoguen> Well, it's at /etc/sudoers but if you can edit that file you can't also install software :)
[02:29] <jgoguen> err, can also install software
[02:33] <Benny1983> ahh back to the drawing board, so thats like locking the key to a safe, in the safe then... Maybe a fresh install? I havent done any changes to lose anything, except the half hour install time maybe I missed an option to set myself as an administrator
[02:37] <jgoguen> The installer doesn't ask to set up an admin account, the account you create during the install process is supposed to be automatically added to the adm group.
[02:38] <Benny1983> okay so i will probably end up in the same situation then. maybe I will just try to get the most utodate version of ubuntu and see if that install is different.
[02:39] <jgoguen> I wish I knew more about PS3 installations to help you better...but the PS3 uses a different CPU type than a normal desktop, so you need to get a version of Ubuntu created for that CPU
[02:40] <Benny1983> yeah from what I have been doing so far power-pc architecture is teh flavour I need
[02:42] <jgoguen> Sounds about right...
[02:43] <jgoguen> I have to go for the night...I wish you best of luck getting that fixed, if you can boot into single user mode you can edit the groups file or the sudoers file to get yourself the access you need.
[02:44] <yax51> ok I lied....oblivion, although it could be wine...isnt working :(
[03:00] <bodhizazen> FAILBOT LMAO !!!
[03:01] <pedro3005> bodhizazen, :P
[03:02] <pedro3005> bodhizazen, i'm programming a bot, so what?!
[04:17] <ZachK_> Anyone here need help?
[04:18] <bodhizazen> I need a lot of help =)
[04:18] <hobgoblin> yep - but I doubt if you could help me :)
[04:18] <ZachK_> Hey bodhizazen :)
[04:18] <ZachK_> hobgoblin: What do you need?
[04:19] <hobgoblin> a good night's sleep
[04:20] <ZachK_> Then go to bed
[04:20] <hobgoblin> I went to bed and I woke up and can;t get back to sleep cos of my back - so at 4am I am up for the day
[04:21] <ZachK_> Oh....I know h
[04:21] <ZachK_> I so know that feelin
[04:27] <pmatulis> hobgoblin: what's wrong with your back?  maybe we can help
[04:28] <hobgoblin> pmatulis: I had a proprietary sourced backache which would go sometimes - then I found an opensource one and it stays all the time :)
[04:29] <ZachK_> Ooh that was low
[04:29] <hobgoblin> heh
[04:30] <pmatulis> hobgoblin: do you have... backups?
[04:30] <hobgoblin> pmatulis: I do now - I'd much rather be lying down though I think :)
[04:30] <hobgoblin> ty bodhizazen :)
[04:32] <pmatulis> hobgoblin: do some stretches and come back here tomorrow to let us know how you're doing
[04:32] <hobgoblin> morning phillw
[04:32] <hobgoblin> pmatulis: that sounds suspiciously like exercise :(
[04:33] <pmatulis> hobgoblin: yes, "use it or lose it"
[04:33] <hobgoblin> heh
[05:13] <thewrathjr> hey all
[05:14] <pedro3005> hey thewrath
[05:14] <thewrathjr> how is everyone
[05:14] <thewrathjr> sorry it has been a while since i have been on
[05:14] <hobgoblin> hi there
[05:14] <pedro3005> thewrathjr, good.. don't remember you
[05:14] <hobgoblin> I do
[05:14] <thewrathjr> hobgoblin: in a good way?
[05:15] <hobgoblin> I couldn;t possibly say in a publicly logged channel lol
[05:15] <hobgoblin> of course :)
[05:15] <thewrathjr> okay good lol
[05:15] <thewrathjr> what things have happened over the past couple of months
[05:16] <ZachK_> Slot
[05:16] <hobgoblin> channels have moved about and I left the team - a whole bunch of stuff went off on the mailing list
[05:16] <hobgoblin> brb
[05:16] <thewrathjr> anything bad
[05:16] <thewrathjr> ok
[05:16] <ZachK_> A lot has happened
[05:16] <thewrathjr> what ZachK_ ?
[05:16] <hobgoblin> nothing bad
[05:16] <thewrathjr> ok
[05:16] <celthunder> hey ZachK_
[05:17]  * ZachK_ gives celthunder a handshake
[05:17] <pedro3005> well bye guys
[05:17] <celthunder> bye pedro
[05:19] <hobgoblin> cya pedro3005
[05:21] <ZachK_> pedro3005: Latah man
[05:33] <petra> hi i need help.  I cannot play a movie on my netbook it freezes constantly and no audio is only thing running.
[05:33] <petra> audio overall works though
[05:35] <petra> anyone here
[05:35] <ZachK_> Hmm... petra let me take a look
[05:35] <ZachK_> petra: Read above line
[05:36] <petra> let you take a look? ok
[05:36] <ZachK_> What ubuntu version are you using petra ?
[05:36] <ZachK_> Welcome shredder12
[05:36] <hobgoblin> thewrath: did you know that the team channel is now #ubuntu-beginners-team ?
[05:37] <ZachK_> petra: ?
[05:37] <petra> netbook remix 9.1
[05:37] <shredder12> hey ZachK_
[05:37] <ZachK_> Ok.....gimme a sec petra
[05:37] <petra> the netbook is an nb205-n325 i followed a guide to install the latest xorg and get sound generally working for everything else
[05:38] <ZachK_> K
[05:45] <ZachK_> petra: Did you install the codecs for DVD play?
[05:45] <petra> i installed vlc
[05:45] <petra> which it works in windows with.
[05:46] <petra> the movie is an mkv file
[05:46] <petra> i tried two different movies and played them on other computers to make sure it wasn't the file.
[05:47] <ZachK_> Yeah but did you install the DVD codecs
[05:48] <petra> i think so
[05:48] <petra> are those the gstreamer-ugly packages?
[05:49] <petra> there was like five of them i think
[05:49] <ZachK_> And
[05:51] <petra> and?
[05:51] <ZachK_> Yes....but then the terminal command as well
[05:52] <petra> which command?
[05:54] <ZachK_> I don't remember but it's listed with the other ones as well....the packages I mean
[05:55] <petra> oh
[05:56] <petra> i don't know then :(
[05:56] <petra> i thought vlc had all the codecs built in
[05:56] <petra> and the movie player built into it said error and installed the 5 packages mentioned and then errored out again
[05:57] <ZachK_> Go to https://www.help.ubuntu.com
[05:58] <petra> ok
[05:58] <ZachK_> Wait bad link....
[05:58] <hobgoblin> petra: have you tried to install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:59] <petra> no
[05:59] <hobgoblin> and do you have graphics drivers installed if available
[05:59] <petra> it is an intel graphics
[06:00] <hobgoblin> petra: either search in synaptic for it or run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras in a terminal
[06:00] <hobgoblin> k
[06:00] <petra> with 251 mb max memory to it i do not know minimum (how to check or force 250?)
[06:00] <petra> ok
[06:00] <petra> let me run that one moment
[06:02] <petra> it is installing fonts?
[06:04] <petra> i reopened in built in movie player and got audio playback error same as before.
[06:04] <petra> should i try vlc again?
[06:05] <hobgoblin> try running vlc from a terminal, try play the film - you possibly get some information as to the issue in the terminal
[06:06] <hobgoblin> does the file work in any of the other media players - does netbook have mplayer for instance
[06:07] <petra> ok one second i will try vlc from terminal
[06:10] <petra> http://pastebin.com/2E8TNPvf
[06:10] <petra> so it is looking for pulseaudio and alsa but alsa does not work with my netbook i followed a guide to uninstall it and install oss instead
[06:11] <petra> how to change vlc or the other media player to use oss and why input output error on oss when it finds it?
[06:12] <hobgoblin> do you have a link to the guide you followed ?
[06:13] <petra> yes i bookmarked it.  one second.
[06:13] <hobgoblin> I see you did something with xorg as well
[06:13] <petra> yes i was told to do that as well.  it said add a ppa and it will install new xorg for video
[06:13] <petra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound <-- the sound one
[06:14] <hobgoblin> who told you to do that? just wondering ... what version ubuntu are you using by the way
[06:14] <petra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1215665
[06:14] <petra> that i did the video part for the xorg from that guide
[06:14] <petra> and the sound from the first link
[06:15] <petra> i did not have issue with touchpad so did not do that part yet.
[06:15] <petra> i did install gsynaptics thouhg without error
[06:15] <petra> i am running netbook remix 9.1 nb205-n335 netbook
[06:15] <petra> oops nb205-nb325 not 335 sorry sir
[06:15] <hobgoblin> have you been to system preferences sound yet?
[06:16] <hobgoblin> no I meant what version of ubuntu - 9.10 9.04 8.10 ...
[06:16] <hobgoblin> or do you know the codename - like jaunty karmic
[06:17] <petra> 9.1?
[06:17] <petra> and i do not have sound under preferences
[06:17] <hobgoblin> k - 9.10 that would be
[06:18] <hobgoblin> try running gnome-volume-control in a terminal
[06:18] <petra> i don'thave a sound under system menu at all anymore
[06:18] <petra> ok did that
[06:18] <hobgoblin> did it open ?
[06:19] <petra> yes
[06:19] <hobgoblin> and is there anywhere in there to change to OSS
[06:19] <petra> it is already on oss4
[06:19] <petra> it is only option available
[06:19] <petra> guide made me uninstall the others
[06:19] <petra> it made a sound when i booted up though. so i think it was working
[06:20] <hobgoblin> ok - do you have sound in music players?
[06:21] <hobgoblin> or do you have no sound at all anywhere now you are logged in?
[06:21] <hobgoblin> nvm :) petra> audio overall works though
[06:22] <hobgoblin> does video work ok in mplayer? I am not sure what gets installed in the netbook remix - what default media player do you have in the menu
[06:22] <petra> one second i will try music file.
[06:25] <petra> music does not play
[06:25] <petra> so only bootup sound
[06:25] <petra> oh it played a youtube video should i try that again?
[06:25] <hobgoblin> yep
[06:26] <petra> :(
[06:26] <petra> i broke that too
[06:26] <petra> but i did not change anything sir, i merely closed the lid went to work and now it does not have sound!
[06:27] <celthunder> did something grab your soundcard and not let it go?
[06:28] <hobgoblin> petra: have you rebooted or was it suspended/hibernating
[06:28] <petra> i dont think it was doing either
[06:29] <petra> it was already on and running when i opened the lid
[06:29] <petra> did not even have to move the mouse and it had everything open
[06:29] <petra> should i reboot?
[06:30] <hobgoblin> try it
[06:30] <petra> ok be right back thank you for helping!
[06:30] <hobgoblin> at least it will be a stable base
[06:31] <celthunder> it didn't hibernate?
[06:34] <hobgoblin> wouldn't appear to have done so
[06:35] <petra> ok rebooted no boot up sound this time
[06:35] <hobgoblin> mmm - it would appear you have successfully broken the sound then :)
[06:36] <petra> :(
[06:36] <petra> i liked it better when it worked
[06:36] <hobgoblin> I would too - no sound would be a major issue here
[06:36] <petra> for all of 3 minutes
[06:37] <hobgoblin> so to recap you removed pulseaudio and alsa and installed oss in addition you installed a newer xorg? Is that right?
[06:38] <hobgoblin> celthunder: you got any ideas?
[06:38] <petra> yes that is right
[06:39] <celthunder> hmm
[06:39] <celthunder> newer xorg shouldnt break audio
[06:39] <celthunder> input/output error...permissions for sound device bad?
[06:40] <petra> how to check sir?
[06:42] <hobgoblin> petra can you run lspci and pastebin it please
[06:42] <hobgoblin> oh - run aplay -l as well
[06:42] <hobgoblin> pastebin results
[06:45] <petra> http://pastebin.com/V9Wnd0Pg
[06:45] <petra> aplay -l wants me to reinstall alsa-utils
[06:45] <petra> should i do that?
[06:48] <hobgoblin> I wonder why you did not have sound in the first place with that device
[06:49] <celthunder> should i reinstall alsa and the other packages?
[06:49] <celthunder> wait...
[06:49] <celthunder> yeah
[06:49] <celthunder> why did you uninstall them
[06:49] <celthunder> alsa is newer
[06:50] <celthunder> do that
[06:51] <celthunder> also try mplayer
[06:52] <petra> it is downloading a bunch of packages
[06:53] <hobgoblin> it will
[06:56] <petra> do i stop and netbook:~$ aplay -l
[06:56] <petra> aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[06:56] <petra> so now i do not have a sound card!
[06:58] <hobgoblin> petra it might be worth trying to undo what you did following the forum thread you followed
[06:59] <hobgoblin> but - and I would not normally suggest this but you could have probably reinstalled twice in the time you've been here
[07:00] <hobgoblin> I'm not sure what else to suggest to be honest - when you removed alsa and pulseaudio what was the reason for doing so?
[07:01] <petra> i found the link i gave you above which has a close series to what i have so i tried to follow along
[07:01] <petra> i am sorry if i waste your time i will try to undo what i did before. will you help if i reinstall and still no sound please sir?
[07:02] <celthunder> close doesnt mean you should follow it...
[07:02] <hobgoblin> indeed
[07:02] <celthunder> try rebooting now that you reinstalled alsa and reinstall pulse too for that matter
[07:03] <hobgoblin> petra: if you do and I am about I will be happy to help
[07:03] <hobgoblin> petra: do that first as celthunder says
[07:03] <petra> ok
[07:04] <celthunder> don't you miss the days when a "close" would blow up your monitor on the resolution?
[07:05] <hobgoblin> ha ha ha ha
[07:06] <hobgoblin> I had a lovely 24" crt jobby that failed miserably under conditions similar to that
[07:06] <celthunder> at least then people read numbers and watched them closely
[07:07] <hobgoblin> :
[07:07] <hobgoblin> petra: is pulseaudio reinstalled yet?
[07:08] <petra> yes sir am rebooting.
[07:11] <petra> i think i need to reinstall.  It does not work yet.
[07:11] <hobgoblin> ok before you do that do you have a spare usb or cd you can use?
[07:11] <petra> yes i do
[07:11] <hobgoblin> you can back up the apt cache to save redownloading them again for the updates
[07:12] <hobgoblin> ok - the folder you need to backup is at /var/cache/apt
[07:12] <hobgoblin> copy all that to the usb or cd before you reinstall
[07:13] <petra> ok thank you.
[07:13] <hobgoblin> then when you have reinstalled and it says you have updates available make sure you don't do it straight away
[07:14] <petra> ok how do i update then?
[07:15] <hobgoblin> before you do - run gksu nautilus - that will open a filebrowser as root - then copy the backup into the same place, then you have to run an apt-get update - then you can do any upgrades
[07:15] <hobgoblin> but come back and ask someone to make sure you do it right
[07:15] <petra> ok.
[07:16] <petra> installing the first time took about 30 minutes will you be here then?
[07:16] <hobgoblin> don't jump straight into removing stuff to get sound working - while you might think you have done a bad thing by breaking sound - it is a good way to learn - I reinstalled about 10 times in the first 6 months lol
[07:16] <hobgoblin> I should be - but it is morning here and I have a few things to do
[07:17] <petra> ok.  thank you i  will make sure not to put anything vitally important on it for 6 months so if i need to reinstall i can.
[07:18] <hobgoblin> petra: how big is the drive?
[07:18] <hobgoblin> does it only have ubuntu on it ?
[07:19] <petra> 160GB and yes i picked remove all others when installing so no windows.
[07:23] <hobgoblin> ok, do you have ethernet - if so come back here when you have booted the install - assuming it is a livecd or liveusb
[07:23] <hobgoblin> if not tell me now
[07:24] <petra> am going through install. yes i have an ethernet cable though i was using wireless.
[07:24] <petra> do i need to use ethernet?
[07:24] <hobgoblin> what we can do is make /home partition and a /root partition so if you need to reinstall you will keep your data
[07:25] <petra> i am at clock screen.
[07:25] <hobgoblin> oh right - you started have you?
[07:25] <petra> i just pick my time zone again right?
[07:25] <hobgoblin> hang on - stop please and close the installer down
[07:25] <petra> ok
[07:25] <hobgoblin> first - how much RAM do you have?
[07:25] <petra> 2GB
[07:26] <petra> it booted me to a preinstalled system when i exit installer
[07:26] <hobgoblin> yea that should be the livecd - is that right?
[07:27] <hobgoblin> open the partition editor in the system >admin menu
[07:27] <petra> no cd :( it does not have a cd drive
[07:28] <petra> which one is partition editor? disk utility?
[07:28] <petra> the only one under P is Printing
[07:28] <celthunder> go to a terminal and type gpart
[07:30] <petra> oh gparted is in the list and started.  it shows /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 and sizes
[07:30] <petra> oh and a 5
[07:31] <hobgoblin> can you open a terminal - run   sudo fdisk -l
[07:31] <hobgoblin> pastebin the results please
[07:33] <petra> pastebin.com/9MrKbLHc
[07:34] <celthunder> that says your drive is 250GB not 160...wrong drive?
[07:34] <hobgoblin> ok - we are only doing work on sda1 here
[07:34] <hobgoblin> yea  - saw that too :)
[07:34] <petra> it said 160GB on the box?  I do not know sorry
[07:34] <hobgoblin> well you got more than you thought :)
[07:35] <petra> so what to do now?
[07:35] <hobgoblin> petra in gparted on sda1, right click on sda5 and do swapoff
[07:35] <hobgoblin> I will set out the steps now to partition the drive
[07:35] <petra> ok it is doing that. done i think
[07:36] <hobgoblin> right click - sda5 - delete partition
[07:36] <hobgoblin> right click sda2 - delete then do the same for sda1
[07:36] <hobgoblin> then apply changes
[07:36] <hobgoblin> you should end up with one large unallocated space
[07:37] <hobgoblin> once done those - tell me
[07:37] <petra> it says unallocated unallocated done all operations
[07:37] <hobgoblin> ok - now right click on the unallocated space and make new partition
[07:38] <petra> ok
[07:38] <petra> it says create new partition free space preceding?
[07:39] <hobgoblin> linux swap - make it 4Gb
[07:39] <hobgoblin> then make another linux ext4 15Gb
[07:39] <celthunder> shouldnt he make a boot partition first?
[07:39] <celthunder> before the swap?
[07:39] <hobgoblin> then one more with the remaining space as ext4
[07:40] <hobgoblin> I generally put swap first - I never make a boot partition either
[07:40] <hobgoblin> celthunder: ^^
[07:41] <celthunder> lol i'm just saying...boot usually has to be the first few sectors...might just be i'm oldfashioned like that
[07:41] <hobgoblin> we can do it that way :)
[07:42] <hobgoblin> you following petra?
[07:42] <hobgoblin> what have you done so far?
[07:42] <petra> i have gotten a piece of paper to do 1024x 4 and x 15 on
[07:43] <petra> sorry i am very bad at math
[07:43] <hobgoblin> lol
[07:44] <petra> 4096 and 15360?
[07:44] <hobgoblin> 4096
[07:45] <hobgoblin> anyway - we discussed changing it so make the first partition ext4 and 15Gb or thereabouts
[07:45] <celthunder> yeah both are right
[07:45] <petra> ok what do i put for label?
[07:45] <hobgoblin> then the second linux-swap and 4Gb
[07:45] <hobgoblin> no labels
[07:45] <hobgoblin> the third is still remaining space and ext4
[07:46] <hobgoblin> you should have ext4 then swap then ext4
[07:46] <petra> all as primary right?
[07:47] <hobgoblin> yea
[07:47] <petra> ok done
[07:47] <hobgoblin> apply then
[07:49] <hobgoblin> when it is done please run sudo fdisk -l again and pastebin it
[07:51] <petra> http://pastebin.com/zedrDHAS
[07:52] <hobgoblin> k start the installer - go through until you reach the partition stage - choose manual and shout
[07:55] <petra> ok i picked manual
[07:56] <hobgoblin> ok - pick the smaller of the 2 ext4 partitions - then at the bottom - Edit
[07:57] <hobgoblin> in the new window you get - Use as ext4 and then in mountpoint box - /
[07:57] <hobgoblin> save that - pick the larger ext4 partition - same routine - but this time pick /home in the mountpoint box
[07:58] <hobgoblin> then carry on with the install
[07:58] <petra> ok
[07:58] <petra> do i change anything else?
[07:59] <hobgoblin> no just those 2 - you will now have a seperate partition for home and your data
[08:00] <petra> ok thank you.
[08:02] <petra> it is installing i will let you know when it is back up.
[08:06] <hobgoblin> ok - I might be gone when it is done - need to go for an hour or so, you'll need to get the old apt cache copied across before you update
[08:07] <celthunder> i'll help with that if ou need it
[08:07] <petra> ok thank you hobgoblin
[08:07] <hobgoblin> ta celthunder :)
[08:08] <celthunder> later bro
[08:08] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:09] <hobgoblin> last time I had anything to do with no osund on one of those intel chips it was a low level or mute in alsamixer fixed it
[08:09] <hobgoblin> later then
[08:22] <petra> ok done
[08:23] <celthunder> ok replug in your device you backed up apt to
[08:23] <petra> ok
[08:23] <celthunder> open a terminal and type cd /media/<devicename>/<folder you backed up to>
[08:25] <petra> ok
[08:25] <celthunder> sudo cp -r ./* /var/cache/apt and then update
[08:29] <celthunder> petra i'm going to bed if you can't get tyour sound working DO NOT delete stuff wait for myself or hobgoblin to come back.
[08:29] <petra> ok thank you for your time
[08:29] <petra> it is still updating
[08:29] <celthunder> gl iwth your sound
[08:55] <petra> hobgoblin: when you are here i am ready for directions on sound
[09:15] <petra> i need to go will come back tommorrow thank you for so much of your time
[10:08] <hobgoblin> petra: okey doke - I shall be about, if not there will be someone here whocan help I should think
[11:48] <smeag0l> Good Morning
[11:50] <ZachK_> What up
[11:51]  * smeag0l listening to Pink Floyd Pulse concert
[11:54] <smeag0l> with a Fender Squire Strat around my neck
[11:55] <smeag0l> cheers mate in BEER
[13:28] <hobgoblin> afternoon bgs100 matija
[13:28] <bgs100> Hi hobgoblin
[13:28] <hobgoblin> how's things with you?
[13:28] <matija> hi all am new here :D
[13:29] <bgs100> hobgoblin, Pretty good, how are they with you?
[13:29] <hobgoblin> hi there matija - enjoying it
[13:30] <matija> pls can someone told me what program 4 burning is the best sry for bad eng.. ?
[13:30] <hobgoblin> matija: you just floating about or do you have a problem?
[13:30] <hobgoblin> well I use brasero without any issue - though there are some others out there
[13:30] <matija> its not a problem...
[13:30] <hobgoblin> what os are you using?
[13:30] <matija> ubuntu
[13:30] <matija> :)
[13:31] <matija> aha sry 9.10
[13:31] <hobgoblin> no - but you are after some help with a bit of knowledge = that is cool
[13:31] <bgs100> Yeah, Brasero (which comes with Ubuntu) is fine for me.
[13:31] <hobgoblin> no - you were right first time with ubuntu - kubuntu uses a different one
[13:31] <matija> ok i will try thx
[13:31] <hobgoblin> if you are used to all the bells and whistles of nero you might like k3b - that is a kde app
[13:32] <matija> can kde app work on gnome ?
[13:33] <hobgoblin> yes it can - though it will need to install a bunch of stuff - I use amarok (a kde media player) that installs a bunch of stuff as well
[13:34] <matija> i ask becose amorok :D
[13:35] <hobgoblin> yes it does work in gnome lol - I have it going as we speak :)
[13:35] <hobgoblin> though that is now the only kde app I use
[13:35] <hobgoblin> I think it brings about 300Mb of stuff after installation
[13:36] <matija> ok thx i will solve problem ... i will find how make it work :) thx anyway
[13:38] <hobgoblin> brasero is a nice simple application to use, to install amarok - check synaptic (same as k3b if you want)
[13:38] <hobgoblin> remember though to install libxine1-ffmpeg with amarok if it does not playback mp3s etc
[13:39] <matija> ok i will try now ty
[13:39] <hobgoblin> k
[14:16] <philcamlin> hey
[14:18] <nhandler> Hello philcamlin
[14:18] <philcamlin> whatsup
[14:18] <hobgoblin> hi philcamlin nhandler
[14:19] <philcamlin> lol uhh i feel so out of it using 9.10 this is the first time ive used ubuntu for a few months now
[14:19] <hobgoblin> try 10.04 with the window controls on the left then :D
[14:20] <philcamlin> lol
[14:20] <philcamlin> 10.04 is out :O
[14:20] <ikt> I can't wait until 10.04 is released
[14:20] <philcamlin> i wanna test it out :D
[14:20] <nhandler> philcamlin: Use testdrive
[14:20] <ikt> beta 1 is released next week
[14:20] <hobgoblin> no it's not out yet philcamlin - still alpha3 - think it gets 2 betas
[14:20] <philcamlin> ah sweet
[14:21] <hobgoblin> but it's working fine here for me - though there are some issues still for others
[14:21] <philcamlin> i like the windows type setup that explains all the stuff thats in 9.10 my grandpa found that useful
[14:22] <nhandler> philcamlin: You mean the installation slideshow ?
[14:22] <philcamlin> yeha
[14:22] <philcamlin> yeah*
[14:22] <philcamlin> lol i just got up i cant think straight :P
[14:22] <hobgoblin> it'll be fine - I've been up too long so know exactly what you are saying
[14:22] <philcamlin> yeah the slideshow is pretty neat
[14:23] <philcamlin> im gonna go get some coffee brb
[14:35] <thewrathjr> hey is anyone here
[14:35] <hobgoblin> depends
[14:35] <philcamlin> yup
[14:35] <philcamlin> its pretty quiet lol
[14:35] <thewrathjr> lol
[14:35] <hobgoblin> it is now
[14:36] <thewrathjr> how do i change the directory for apache from /var/www to /home/www
[14:36] <thewrathjr> and have everything work peachy clean
[14:37] <philcamlin> why do you need to move it?
[14:37] <hobgoblin> thewrathjr: I'd have no idea sorry - but I guess there's a conf somewhere
[14:37] <phillw> apache2.conf is the conf file
[14:37] <philcamlin> is it because of the permissions?
[14:37] <thewrathjr> i think it is but there is more i will post i guess hold on
[14:38] <philcamlin> lis anyone in here alot?
[14:38] <philcamlin> is*
[14:38] <tdn> I use my ubuntu server to output sound through attached speakers. For some reason only the left speaker produces any sound. I have verified that it is not the speakers nor the cable that has a problem (by plugging it into my laptop and other tests). How do I fix this?
[14:39] <philcamlin> is it the soundcard in the pc?
[14:39] <philcamlin> mine was flakey too
[14:39] <philcamlin> then i got a new pc :P
[14:39] <tdn> philcamlin, this worked just fine before.
[14:40] <philcamlin> oh
[14:40] <philcamlin> do you have it balanced correctly?
[14:41] <philcamlin> under sound > output> check the balance
[14:41] <tdn> philcamlin, I'm not sure. I start alsa mixer and set everything to 0.
[14:41] <tdn> philcamlin, it is a server, so I have only ssh access.
[14:42] <philcamlin> hmm yeah i dont really have any ideas the only thing that i can think of is that its not balanced correctly. ill look around and see what i can find
[14:42] <tdn> philcamlin, I have had the problem once before in Debian, but I forgot how to fix it :(
[14:43] <philcamlin> hmm thats kind of odd eh
[14:44] <philcamlin> yeah i really dont know what to say
[14:44] <philcamlin> sorry :(
[14:44] <tdn> Will just fiddle some more with alsamixer.
[14:46] <philcamlin> be back in a bit
[14:46] <philcamlin> cya
[15:42] <slick666> hello all I'm trying to recover from an apt-error
[15:42] <slick666> anyone online familiar with command line apt and dpkg commands
[15:42] <slick666> >
[15:42] <slick666> ?
[15:44] <phillw> hi slick666 what error are you getting ?
[15:44] <slick666> 1 sec
[15:44] <slick666> the last line is
[15:44] <slick666> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:44] <slick666>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.31-20-virtual_2.6.31-20.57_amd64.deb
[15:44] <slick666> I'm trying to install that kernel
[15:45] <slick666> line that seems to have the error is further up.......
[15:45] <slick666> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.31-20-virtual_2.6.31-20.57_amd64.deb (--install):
[15:45] <slick666>  trying to overwrite '/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-20-server', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.31-20-server 0:2.6.31-20.57
[15:45] <slick666> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[15:46] <phillw> hmm, i usually let synaptics get kernels - is it not avaialable in Synaptic ?
[15:46] <slick666> oh it is the command I used was.....
[15:47] <slick666> sudo apt-get install linux-image-virtual
[15:47] <phillw> let me have a dig for you.
[15:48] <slick666> ok
[15:48] <slick666> is there a way to back out of this install and start again
[15:48] <slick666> i.e. redownload and everything?
[15:48] <phillw> you're installing a virtual box ?
[15:49] <slick666> I have KVM installed
[15:49] <slick666> that kernel is not a requirement but it seems like it adds advanced features that I want
[15:50] <slick666> thats why I'm installing it manually
[15:51] <phillw> okies, I'm still having a dig
[15:52] <slick666> apt does let me remove it
[15:56] <phillw> bodhi is knowlegeable on KVM, but he's not logged on, I can only point you over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM#Documentation  I don't have knowldege of the system. :-(
[15:56] <slick666> lol
[15:56] <slick666> I've edited that
[15:57] <slick666> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Managing?action=info
[15:57] <slick666> :)
[15:57] <slick666> I've done some playing with apt and I sem to have been able to fix the system somewhat
[15:57] <slick666> here's what I did..
[15:57] <phillw> I have enough with win plus 3 'buntus on partitions without virtual boxes ;-)
[15:58] <slick666> well I got a big big machine
[15:58] <slick666> and I'm trying to reduce the number of always n boxes
[15:58] <slick666> on*
[15:58] <slick666> the issue I was having with apt was that package wasn't installing
[15:59] <slick666> so it left apt in a funny state
[15:59] <slick666> if you try the apt-get -f install it trys the same thing to fix it and fails
[15:59] <slick666> if you give the proper apt-get remove
[15:59] <slick666> apt is fine again but the same package is in your cache directory
[15:59] <phillw> lol, I got limited brain-cells !!  Win + 9.10 + 10.04a3 (main) + 10.04a3(lubuntu) is quite enough !!  I think a couple of the people over on the 10.04 testing forum run Virtual systems.
[16:00] <slick666> if you run the apt-get clean (not apt-get autoclean) it removes the package and you can redownload and install it fresh
[16:00] <slick666> this too failed for me so I guess I'm out of luck atm
[16:01] <slick666> lol, I feel you there
[16:01] <phillw> yeah, if autoclean doesn't work, clean will remove everything.
[16:01] <slick666> it was the clean command that I was searching for but couldn't remember
[16:02] <slick666> I've tried the package three times and no luck so I'm going to write the package maintainer with my info
[16:02] <phillw> slick666: If you post on the server area on the mains forums, one of the people there will have knowledge.
[16:02] <slick666> phillw did you say you ran virtulbox?
[16:02] <slick666> good idea
[16:03] <phillw> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=339  is the server area, KVM is designed for CLI use as opposed to virtualbox which is more GUI
[16:04] <slick666> phillw if ou like virtualbox I would check out virt-manager
[16:04] <phillw> slick666: I don't run any virtualisation. Just have a few partitions on my hard drive
[16:04] <slick666> ah I got ya
[16:04] <phillw> only 1GB RAM on my laptop (I travel a lot, so a laptop it has to be)
[16:06] <slick666> I got a server with 16 memory slots
[16:06] <phillw> slick666: bodhi.zazen I have seen answering queries on KVM - if you post there he should get it, else keep your eye out for him coming on here
[16:06] <slick666> and up to two quad cores in it
[16:06] <slick666> but you wouldn't want to travel with it :)
[16:07] <phillw> slick666: not without an articulated waggon, any ways ;-)
[16:07] <slick666> bodhi.zazen?
[16:07] <slick666> I'm not getting the reference
[16:08] <phillw> yup. bobhi.zazen is one of the moderators on the main forum, he is also heavily involved in #ubuntu-beginners
[16:08] <phillw> There is a sticky of his on the Server forum, that may be of help to you.
[16:08] <slick666> oh cool
[16:08] <slick666> thanks
[16:33] <slick666> philw, #ubuntu-server room had the answer
[16:34] <slick666> the issue is the linux-image-server and linux-image-virtual can't be installed at the same time
[16:44] <phillw> slick666: glad they could help, if only to say you can't do both at once.
[16:45] <slick666> yea, the two packages share a few common things and the package maintainers need to do some work to make sure the two don't colide
[16:45] <slick666> but there is a work around
[16:46] <slick666> but that didn't solve my ultimate problem
[16:46] <slick666> so I'm hitting up the #kvm guys
[16:46] <slick666> and the #virt guys on OFTC
[17:19] <Albert1> I cannot get youtube to work says I need plugin... I downloaded the version available but still no go. I am using ubuntu 9.10
[17:20] <hcs7dap> hi people... looking for a bit of bluetooth help
[17:21] <hcs7dap> system>preferences>bluetooth... gives 'no bluetooth adapters present'
[17:22] <hcs7dap> any ideas?
[17:23] <hcs7dap> ?
[17:25] <hcs7dap> hcs7dap: hello
[19:13] <duanedesign> Albert1: hello
[19:13] <duanedesign> \still having issues with YouTube
[19:25] <pedro3005> Dill, go ahead and ask
[19:25] <Dill> pedro3005, when grub prompts which os I want to boot into, i usually get five options:
[19:26] <Dill> ubuntu, linux 2.6.31-20-generic
[19:26] <Dill> ubuntu, linux 2.6.31-20-generic (recovery mode)
[19:26] <Dill> memory test (memtest86+)
[19:26] <Dill> memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)
[19:27] <Dill> windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)
[19:28] <pedro3005> Dill, go on...
[19:28] <Dill> pedro3005, but now I get (between the "ubuntu, linux 2.6.31-20-generic (recovery mode)" and "memory test (memtest86+)") a lot of other options i'm not sure of
[19:28] <pedro3005> Dill, are they exactly lime the linux 2.6.31-20-generic except it's different numbers?
[19:28] <pedro3005> like*
[19:29] <Dill> pedro3005, yes, 20, 19, 14
[19:29] <pedro3005> Dill, ok, so those are the kernel versions you have
[19:29] <Dill> pedro3005, they were never there before and none of my other computers have these optioins
[19:29] <pedro3005> when you upgrade your kernel, by installing a new version (ubuntu packs these in the regular updates), it doesn't actually uninstall the old kernel
[19:30] <Dill> hmmm...
[19:30] <pedro3005> this is useful because if the new one is broken you can still boot into the old one
[19:30] <pedro3005> but sometimes you get unnecessarily filled with old kernels
[19:30] <Dill> pedro3005, so, when there is an update it just adds a new bootable kernel instead of patching over the old one?
[19:30] <pedro3005> Dill, basically, yes
[19:30] <Dill> pedro3005, sweet
[19:31] <Dill> so, since i now have
[19:31] <pedro3005> Dill, and this link here should help you remove your old kernels: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/10/17/remove-ubuntu-kernels-you-dont-need/
[19:31] <Dill> six options that i will never use, can i get rid of them?
[19:31] <Dill> pedro3005, you read my mind
[19:31] <Dill> pedro3005, thank you
[19:31] <pedro3005> Dill, :)
[19:31] <duanedesign> Dill: really 2 is optimal
[19:32] <duanedesign> but i am sure i have at least 5 :P
[19:32] <pedro3005> I've been needing to do that myself
[19:32] <pedro3005> duanedesign, +1
[19:32] <pedro3005> :P
[19:32]  * pedro3005 is lazy
[19:32] <duanedesign> ha ha
[19:32] <Dill> is there any way i can change the order and the default boot os?
[19:32] <pedro3005> Dill, yes, quite easily
[19:33] <pedro3005> well
[19:33] <Dill> pedro3005, please teach me the ways..
[19:33] <Dill> oh wise one
[19:33] <pedro3005> I remember when you'd edit the grub.conf thing, but that has changed. duanedesign, you can take this
[19:34] <pedro3005> Dill, let me research a bit
[19:34] <Dill> pedro3005, thanks
[19:36] <pedro3005> Dill, maybe this can help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Configuring%20GRUB%202
[19:42] <Dill> pedro3005, awesome.  this is just awesome
[19:42] <Dill> pedro3005, thank you
[19:42] <pedro3005> Dill, :)
[19:44] <phillw> when you have used synaptic to remove the old kernels, do not forget to run sudo update-grub  so that grub can rebuild the list of kernels.
[19:45] <Dill> phillw, thank you
[19:49] <Dill> phillw, pedro3005, duanedesign, IT WORKED!!!!!!
[19:49] <Dill> thank you all
[19:49] <pedro3005> Dill, no problem
[21:19] <ghostofmybrain> hello
[21:20] <pedro3005> hello ghostofmybrain
[21:20] <ghostofmybrain> i'm trying to install gedit onto my ubuntu server edition but I'm not very familiar with the command line
[21:20] <ghostofmybrain> sorry not gedit
[21:20] <ghostofmybrain> wait yeah, nevermind. lol
[21:21] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, so you WANT to install gedit?
[21:21] <ghostofmybrain> well, I need to install something that I can use to edit a cfg file anyway
[21:21] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, you probably don't want gedit as it requires gnome
[21:21] <pedro3005> and why would gnome be on a server is beyond me
[21:21] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, try using vim or nano if you want something simpler
[21:22] <ghostofmybrain> pedro3005 ok, I'll try vim. how do I install it from teh command line?
[21:23] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, it's included in ubuntu
[21:23] <ghostofmybrain> ok
[21:25] <ghostofmybrain> ok, cool, taht worked, thanks
[21:26] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, it's quite a complex editor though. might wanna read a tutorial on it
[21:29]  * hobgoblin starts flamewar and prefers nano for doing simple stuff :)
[21:29] <ghostofmybrain> now I'm stuck in my editor lol. how do I get back to my command line
[21:29] <phillw> lol @ hobgoblin  yeah, nano is a bit easier for most.
[21:29] <hobgoblin> which is why I prefer nano
[21:30] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, ESC then :wg <ENTER> to save and quit
[21:30] <pedro3005> :wq *
[21:30] <hobgoblin> phillw: I got stuck editing sudoers - couldn;t get out - even when people told me the command ^^ so I just shut and hoped for the best
[21:31] <phillw> lol, i cheat ... gksudo gedit :-D
[21:32] <pedro3005> phillw, he's on a server
[21:33] <phillw> pedro3005: i know :-)   but, as hobgoblin agreed, nano is a lot easier to navigate round than vi
[21:33] <ghostofmybrain> i'll try nano with the next file I have to edit and report back.
[21:33] <phillw> ghostofmybrain: with nano, you get the commands listed at the bottom, so you don't have to remember them :-)
[21:33] <hobgoblin> ghostofmybrain: ctrl+O saves ctrl+x exits - though you can ctrl+x and Y to save
[21:34] <hobgoblin> that too :)
[21:35] <ghostofmybrain> I'd say nano is better for my noob linux skillz alright
[21:36] <phillw> it's a popular CLI editor
[21:36] <ghostofmybrain> although I probably wouldn't have known ^ X meant ctrl X if you hand' mentioned it
[21:37] <phillw> I must have a go at putting a full server under lxde ...  nice small gui package :-D
[21:40] <ghostofmybrain> do you use nano to edit .ini files?
[21:42] <tenach> ghostofmybrain, I do.  I use nano for pretty much all text editing.
[21:44] <ghostofmybrain> what is screen?
[21:46] <Phrea> is the thingy that glows in the dark, you can read this text off of it
[21:46] <ghostofmybrain> lol. actually I don't think I need screen. I think that was just an optional way of doing it.
[21:47] <Phrea> screening is when you log into an irc client [irssi for instance] that's continualy connected to an irc channel
[21:47] <Phrea> you can screen on IRC via Irssi, using Putty for instance
[21:49] <ghostofmybrain> I think ti was referring to this http://www.rackaid.com/resources/linux-screen-tutorial-and-how-to/
[21:51] <Phrea> oh ah
[21:51] <Phrea> well, what do I know, right? ;)
[21:52] <ghostofmybrain> lol
[22:04] <ghostofmybrain> so... how do I shut down this computer running ubuntu server edition?
[22:08] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, use the shutdown command
[22:08] <pedro3005> sudo shutdown -h now
[22:08] <ghostofmybrain> ok thanks
[22:16] <drubin> ghostofmybrain: DO you have physical access to the machine
[22:16] <drubin> can you turn it back on?
[22:16] <drubin> wonders if it was too late
[22:17] <phillw> drubin: he was editing code on it earlier, I'm guessing as he needed help as to how to do that, he was not using a remote login .... but, we'll find out :-)
[22:19] <ghostofmybrain_> Yes, I have physical accesss
[22:19] <drubin> shutting down remote servers is just plain painfull
[22:19] <ghostofmybrain_> i'm trying to make a counter stike server on some old computer parts I had lying around
[22:19] <drubin> ghostofmybrain_: :) just making sure because if you don't there is no way to bring it back online
[22:25] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: Alright i'm here
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> that is what I was syaing
[22:31] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: d/l a tar.gz file to the desktop extracted it but the setup.py file won't let me go further than that
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> it is a common mistake to assume that your back up is fully functional
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> but then when you need it, it is not working
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[22:32] <bodhi_zazen> did you run setup.py as root ?
[22:33] <marine1> yes tried that but the file is not recognized in the terminal after I cd/ desktop
[22:34] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: i tried moving the extracted file thru sudo nautilus in the usr/lib file and that didn't yield me any success
[22:35] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: python: can't open file 'setup.py
[22:35] <bodhi_zazen> hmm ...
[22:38] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: Extract the archive and install it. You'll only need root              permissions for the last command: $ tar xzf Webilder-0.6.5.tar.gz $ cd Webilder-0.6.5 $ su Password: # python setup.py install --install-data=/usr
[22:39] <bodhi_zazen> I would move the archive back to where you found it , /backup
[22:39] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: i installed all of the dependencies already
[22:39] <bodhi_zazen> then become root with
[22:39] <bodhi_zazen> sudo -i
[22:39] <bodhi_zazen> and re run the script
[22:40] <marine1> it's not the /file from previously /backup this is a new program
[22:40] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: webilder
[22:41] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
[22:42] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: root@robert-desktop:~# tar xzf Webilder-0.6.5.tar.gz
[22:42] <marine1> tar: Webilder-0.6.5.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[22:42] <marine1> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[22:42] <marine1> tar: Child returned status 2
[22:42] <marine1> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[22:43] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: Extract the archive and install it. You'll only need root              permissions for the last command this is the part that i need help in
[22:43] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: i followed everything up to this point and then the party starts
[22:46] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: scroll down to the manual instructions section :http://www.webilder.org/download.html
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> In that tutorial, when they say to su ...
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> you need to sudo -i
[22:48] <bodhi_zazen> The script is executable, so ...
[22:48] <bodhi_zazen> chmod a+x script
[22:48] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: that is the command :chmod a+x script
[22:49] <bodhi_zazen> yep
[22:49] <bodhi_zazen> again, look at wonership and permissions of the contents of the archive
[22:50] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: i have permission for the entire file
[22:51] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: Extract the archive and install it how do I install the extracted archive because the new folder is not a tar.gz file
[22:51] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: this is where i am stuck.
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> cd into the new directory
[22:52] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: because the last steps are to : You'll only need root              permissions for the last command:
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> in the command line ...
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> sudo -i
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> you should now be root , no ?
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> cd into the archive
[22:52] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: yes
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> the extracted directory
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> and run that command ...
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> setup.py --install=/usr or whatever ;P
[22:53] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: bash: cd: Webilder-0.6.5: No such file or directory
[22:53] <marine1>  and this is the extracted folder on the desktop
[22:54] <bodhi_zazen> cd /home/your_user/Desktop/Webilder-0.6.5
[22:55] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: o.k. did  it
[22:55] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: use the setup.py command
[22:55] <bodhi_zazen> w00t
[22:55] <bodhi_zazen> ./setup.py ....
[22:56] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: this is the command from the page :python setup.py install --install-data=/usr
[22:57] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: i think that is wrong because it's on the desktop not usr
[22:57] <bodhi_zazen>  /usr is where to install to, so that is fine
[22:57] <bodhi_zazen> so ..
[22:57] <bodhi_zazen> python ./setup.py install --install-data=/usr
[22:58] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: Here is the bottom of the message should i install it now thru the main menu
[22:58] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: creating /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/webilder
[22:58] <marine1> error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/webilder': Permission denied
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> you ran the script as root ?
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> you can always
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/webilder
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> and run the script again
[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> I am getting the impression the people who write the script are not familiar with ubuntu
[23:00] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: what's first the original script or make another directory
[23:01] <bodhi_zazen> well, you already ran the script, now try making the diirectory and run the script again
[23:02] <bodhi_zazen> see if we make any progress
[23:02] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: O.K.
[23:02] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: should i cd out of there or stay in desktop/webilder
[23:03] <bodhi_zazen> stay in webbuilder
[23:04] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: robert@robert-desktop:~/Desktop/Webilder-0.6.5$ mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/webilder
[23:04] <marine1> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/webilder': Permission denied
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> as root ?
[23:05] <phillw> $ mkdir .......    I'd say no
[23:05] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: Installation completed successfully.
[23:06] <bodhi_zazen> alrighty then marine1 =)
[23:06] <bodhi_zazen> see that was easy
[23:07] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: LOL
[23:07] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: now where is the program
[23:08] <marine1> bodhi_zazen:   GNOME Users: Right-click on the GNOME panel, choose "Add to panel",
[23:08] <marine1>                and select "Webilder Webshots Applet".  If it
[23:08] <marine1>                is not in the list - log off and log in again.
[23:08] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: treid this and it's not thee
[23:08] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: so should i reboot
[23:10] <marine1> bodhi_zazen:  i found it it's in the graphics menu thanks
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> sweet =)
[23:13] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: once again thanks man what a bitch
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> you are welcome =)
[23:18] <hcs7dap> hi guys... can someone give me a hand with bluetooth
[23:19] <hcs7dap> anyone?
[23:22] <hcs7dap> nigelb: can you help me with a bluetooth problem please?
[23:23] <hcs7dap> evilnhandler: can you help me with a bluetooth problem please?
[23:32] <ghostofmybrain_> can I open a zip file in linux?
[23:33] <nhandler> ghostofmybrain_: Yes
[23:37] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen Hi
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo lukjad86
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> seen you mail yet ?
[23:39] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen I've tried to access gmail, but it's not working for me just now
[23:39] <lukjad86> No, wait, there it is


[17:02] <Mr-KorOl> hi
[17:02] <Mr-KorOl> привет
[17:23] <Mr-KorOl> I'm tying to make a local repository. i've got about 7000 deb-files in a local folder. when I run dpgk-scanpackages, it reports an error on some files. one each time I run it. then exits. I removed about 200 debs manualy...  it takes a lot of time.. :( howe can I ask dpkg-scanpackages to avoid errors? or is there a way to automate this proces (removing of wrong debs)??? any ideas are weclomed! The erroro is smth like this: "dpkg-deb: `./python-twist
[17:31] <pleia2> Mr-KorOl: probably want to ask for support in #ubuntu
[17:32] <pleia2> (this channel is for developing course material)
[17:44] <Mr-KorOl> ok. thanks


[11:42] <mdz> Mithrandir: ubuntu-meta doesn't seem to have been updated for lpia in a long time. do you know what's wrong?
[11:42] <Mithrandir> nobody has uploaded it lately, I would suspect?
[11:43] <Mithrandir> hm, no, Riddell uploaded it last week.
[11:43] <mdz> Mithrandir: it's at 1.58, while everywhere else is 1.64
[11:43] <Mithrandir> probably just not built lately
[11:44] <Mithrandir> I'll fix it
[11:45] <mdz> it's been 'needs building' for 3 days despite a very high score
[11:45] <Mithrandir> building it now.
[11:46] <mdz> Mithrandir: how do you force it?
[11:46] <Mithrandir> un-manual the buildd.
[11:46] <Mithrandir> I've trickled it through
[11:47] <Mithrandir> iirc, they're on manual since we're now ready to drop the hacked apt that does i386+lpia
[11:47] <Mithrandir> once infinity rebuilds the chroots with that unheld, we'll put them on auto again.
[11:47] <Mithrandir> and he said he'll do that today.
[03:20] <agoliveira> No, it was based on hildon 1.x and 2.x and 3 has changes on headers, functions, etc, so it needs a few changes on the code. Nothing big tough.
[03:40] <agoliveira> Hmmm... abiword and gnumeric have hildon support upstream.
[05:47] <CharliefJohnson> agoliveira: What city in Brazil are you in ??
[05:47] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: Hi. I'm in Joinville. Why?
[05:48] <CharliefJohnson> agoliveira: What's the timezone?  (That is why I was asking?)
[05:49] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: Almost all the country uses GMT-3 when not on DST.
[05:49] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: And that's my case, of course. Right now it's 12:50.
[05:50] <CharliefJohnson> So you're ahead of us hear in Portland by 4 hours.
[09:19] <kylem> win 25
[09:19] <agoliveira> ?
[09:20] <kylem> i was changing windows.
[09:21] <mjg59> agoliveira: Has the dates package been uploaded yet?
[09:21] <mjg59> Ah, yes
[09:21] <mjg59> Sweet
[09:22] <agoliveira> mjg59: Are you checking lpia arch?
[09:22] <mjg59> agoliveira: Source is the same for all archs
[09:23] <agoliveira> Ok, just to wanr about the conditional compilation.
[09:23] <mjg59> Yeah, spotted that
[09:23] <mjg59> Just wanted to use the same code :)
[09:23] <mjg59> dates has no hildon support as yet, btw
[09:23] <agoliveira> Yes, they are exactly the the
[09:24] <mjg59> But I'll do contacts now, if that suits?
[09:24] <agoliveira> It will be fine.
[09:24] <agoliveira> BTW, dates does have hildon. Contacts, does not.
[09:25] <mjg59> Ergh.
[09:25] <mjg59> Sorry. Contacts has no hildon support as yet. Tasks does.
[09:25] <mjg59> I'll do tasks now, if that suits? :)
[09:25] <mjg59> Need to pay more attention to which directory I'm in
[09:26] <agoliveira> mjg59: I already did tasks. I'm taking care of the dependencies.
[09:26] <mjg59> Ok.
[09:26] <mjg59> In that case I'll handle Haze.
[09:26] <agoliveira> Haze?
[09:26] <mjg59> Telepathy->libpurple bridge
[09:26] <agoliveira> Oh
[10:09] <kwwii_> agoliveira: so, I got my Q1 today and i have a few questions
[10:09] <kwwii_> agoliveira: got time for me to bother you? :-)
[10:10] <agoliveira> kwwii_: Hi. I was about to leave but I can spare a few minutes, no problem.
[10:10] <kwwii_> agoliveira: no worries, I can bug you tomorrow as well
[10:10] <agoliveira> No problem at all, go ahead
[10:10] <kwwii_> one quick question though: does the SD card reader work?
[10:11] <kwwii_> and does USB work?
[10:11] <agoliveira> USB, yes, SD, didn't try
[10:11] <kwwii_> so I have to mount the device in a terminal by hand?
[10:11] <agoliveira> You mean like a USB drive?
[10:12] <agoliveira> Yes, should work.
[10:12] <kwwii_> yes
[10:13] <kwwii_> tomorrow I would like to talk to you about how I can tweak the artwork locally on my laptop and then build a usable/testable system for the Q1
[10:14] <kwwii_> the image-builder seems to work much better than the lpia stuff but I do not know how to edit the source in that method
[10:14] <agoliveira> kwwii_: No problem.
[10:15] <kwwii_> cool, have a nice evening :-)
[10:16] <agoliveira> kwwii_: You too.
[10:18] <kwwii_> I have an evening of playing around with a nifty device  ;-)
[10:20] <agoliveira> kwwii_: Yes, it is pretty cool. Too bad a have to keep installing image after image :)
[10:21] <kwwii_> yeah, that was one of my next questions: how often do I need to update the image ;-)
[10:21] <kwwii_> I assume all the time
[10:21] <agoliveira> About that
[10:21] <agoliveira> I didn't do it today yet but I'm downloading it right now.
[10:21] <kwwii_> so now is the time when it would help me most to be in one room with you guys :p
[10:21] <kwwii_> a few months too late


[01:09] <t0mb0> guiverc, Are you also seeing the issues with the top header and feed icon??
[01:10] <guiverc> which issues sorry  (hexchat issues on hirsute, so not monitoring irc as closely as cannot on my primary box)
[01:13] <guiverc> okay I see now... there are NO links, just orange bar at top\
[01:14] <guiverc> t0mb0, ^
[01:14] <t0mb0> I was seeing a similar thing on the old site too hmmm
[01:14] <t0mb0> ah wait i lie! must have been some caching on my browser
[01:16] <t0mb0> i think it's a theme customiation that got lost. the upgrade to k8s meant themes were not in the expected path so required a reload
[01:16] <t0mb0> which I imagine meant a loss of customisations
[01:23] <t0mb0> hmm no - it does appear to have copied the customisations, the theme just isn't rendering them -_-
[07:02] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 100 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-100/


[09:52] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:17] <waltman> Do I want to upgrade to artful today?
[13:34] <waltman> I'm a bit concerned about the printer issue in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes
[13:38] <pleia2> oh yuck
[13:43] <waltman> I'm not sure if that will affect me
[13:44] <waltman> And waiting for the systemd folks to decide whose fault it is could take awhile.
[13:44] <pleia2> hehe
[13:51]  * waltman decides to go for it.
[13:51] <jedijf> report back with pencil and paper
[14:04] <waltman> jedijf: It's a shame I don't have my ham license!
[14:14] <pleia2> waltman: ugh, yeah, got to the end of that printer bug where I see them forward it upstream to systemd /o\
[14:14] <pleia2> I do find them to be responsive to bug reports, just don't always have the answer I want to hear
[14:14] <Pennth> waltman: https://tcf.pages.tcnj.edu/ should have a ham cram again
[14:16] <Pennth> re Artful, there's apparently an Nvidia issue so I don't plan to upgrade the desktop until 18.04. Laptop booted back into Unity :}
[14:17] <waltman> oh, that would be bad.
[14:19] <waltman> even if I'm using the closed-source driver?
[14:19] <Pennth> Not sure, I haven't gone looking for the details, just repeating omgubuntu
[14:21] <Pennth> had a migraine yesterday afternoon, so once I got home all I did was take naprosyn and benadryl and collapse
[14:24] <waltman> omgbuntu?
[14:25] <waltman> never mind, just found it.
[14:27] <waltman> Seems like a cool site
[14:29] <Pennth> yeah, they and webupd8.org are good sources for ubuntu news
[14:29] <Pennth> or webupd8 was, because they haven't had any new posts since August :/
[14:34] <waltman> Still unpacking packages.
[14:44] <waltman> I haven't even rebooted yet, but someone the install unmapped my capslock->ctrl setting.
[14:53] <waltman> OK, time to reboot. Wish me luck!
[14:54] <Pennth> lick!
[14:54] <Pennth> s/lick/luck/ <face color="red" />
[15:12] <waltman> Printing works. Nvidia driver works. New window manger: will take some getting used to.
[15:27] <Pennth> ok good.
[15:28] <Pennth> I'm actually used to gnome from having it at work on the Fedora boxen. Had to add some Unity shortcuts (Ctrl-Alt-T) to make it worth using. Did Ubuntu include those by default?
[15:31] <waltman> I somehow had the old desktop setup in a 2x2 grid. Doesn't seem possible now without an extension.
[15:32] <Pennth> Oh, the vertical workspace thing. Yeah, I miss that
[15:32] <waltman> You get 3 desktops in a vertical setup. You can't add a 4th without running gnome-tweak-tool.
[15:33] <waltman> Having 3 desktops without any obvious way to add a 4th seems like a terrible design decision to me.
[15:33] <Pennth> No, you get additional ones automatically by having a window open on the bottom-most. It adds a blank, cf andriod panels
[15:33] <waltman> Wait, every time you add one on the nth screen, it adds an n+1st?
[15:33] <Pennth> But having to scroll vertically is a stupid pita and bad design decision for a desktop
[15:33] <Pennth> yes
[15:34] <waltman> I liked my grid!
[15:34] <waltman> I was really confused where that 3rd window came from.
[15:34] <Pennth> Yeah, I mean there are four arrow keys for a good reason!
[15:35] <waltman> on macOS I can use ctrl-1, ctrl-2, ctrl-3, etc to switch between desktops.
[15:35] <Pennth> oh, I've always used ctrl-alt-arrow
[15:35] <waltman> tor is also broken, but I don't feel like trying to fix that atm.
[15:46] <waltman> Another odd thing. Sometimes when I start an application from the command line, the window appears partially behind my terminal. Is there a setting to have them always appear on top?
[15:57] <waltman> Apparently the only way is to drill down 6 levels in dconf-editor. Is this a joke?
[16:06] <waltman> Say what you want about Unity, but at least for me it mostly stayed out of my way. Gnome seems to actively have it out for me.
[17:38] <jedijf> lol opposite world
[17:38] <jedijf> i want UNITY back says waltman
[17:40] <jedijf> let's see, we have mate, cinnamon.....time for oregano? legacy_unity
[17:56] <teddy-dbear> Xubuntu
[18:21] <waltman> I had no strong opinions on unity
[18:21] <waltman> I basically just use my window manager to manage a few terminal windows and chrome.
[18:22] <waltman> I save all my GUI stuff for the mac. On Linux I'm all about the command line.
[19:22] <waltman> I just installed ubuntu a few years ago when Unity was already standard. I'd experimented with gnome and kde a little years ago, but for a long time I'd just used windowmaker debian.
[19:23] <waltman> My only real issue with unity was fonts, but I finally found a solution that worked ok for me.
[19:24] <waltman> 18.04 should be bashful bear
[19:25] <waltman> I posted my issue to the forums, but so far no response.
[19:46] <waltman> Speaking of updates, Apple still hasn't provided one for KRACK on any of its platforms.
[21:32] <waltman> Turns out it's a *feature*! https://major.io/2015/07/06/allow-new-windows-to-steal-focus-in-gnome-3/
[21:42] <waltman> More fun -- I don't have a kvm, so when I wanted to work on my mac this afternoon on the big monitor, I swapped over the keyboard and monitor connection. When I came back just now, it had killed my entire X session!
[22:11] <jthan> waltman: You could use synergy
[22:16] <waltman> Hmm, maybe. Or maybe Gnome could just not kill my entire session.
[22:16] <waltman> That tweak didn't work for me btw, and it's not clear to me how I'm supposed to install third-party extensions.
[22:17] <waltman> Also unclear to me is how much of this mess is stock gnome vs changes ubuntu's made.
[22:17] <jthan> I can verify that on my stock gnome3 if I launch something from the terminal it jumps to front.
[22:18] <jthan> that's on Arch
[22:18] <waltman> for everything?
[22:18] <jthan> I only tried a few things, but I couldn't find an exception
[22:18] <jthan> I tried gedit (a gnome application), spotify, and the qt interface for pass to see if qt vs. gtk made a difference
[22:20] <waltman> what does it say when you run "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-new-windows"?
[22:21] <jthan> 'smart'
[22:21] <waltman> huh.
[22:21] <jthan> jonathan@demasi:~$ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-new-windows
[22:21] <jthan> 'smart'
[22:21] <waltman> Maybe someone in arch fixed it?
[22:22] <waltman> I changed it from 'smart' to 'strict' at the recommendation of that page, but it didn't help.
[22:22] <jthan> did you log out and back in?
[22:22] <waltman> no.
[22:22] <jthan> Might be a cached setting set at login
[22:22] <waltman> that page said it would take effect immediately.
[22:22] <waltman> also with systemd, logging out has a tendency to kill things
[22:23] <waltman> like my tmux session
[22:23] <waltman> but who knows? it seems like I was logged out when I disconnected my monitor.
[22:23] <jthan> seems like people are reporting issues with more than one display
[22:24] <jthan> do you have just one monitor?
[22:24] <waltman> under unity it never cared if I unplugged my monitor
[22:24] <waltman> Yes. And sometimes I've got 0 monitors plugged in.
[22:24] <waltman> like this afternoon.
[22:25] <waltman> I may very well be switching to a different wm, because I really hate this.
[22:25] <r00t^2> gnome3's working for me fine when i add/remove an additional display, power on/off add'l display, etc. i'm willing to bet this is an ubuntu thing; one of the reasons i didn't stick with it very long is they tend to overpatch
[22:25] <jthan> i3wm is the way to go
[22:26] <waltman> I don't want tiles. I just want the windows I create to stay where they are, and to be on top and with focus when I create them.
[22:27] <waltman> like every other wm I've ever used in 25+ years of using gui operating systems.
[22:28] <waltman> I mean, I'm sure I could eventually tweak it to a state when I'm ok with it, but the default settings just seem idiotic.
[22:28] <waltman> Anyhow, I need to run out. Sorry for all my whining.