[05:02] <Kilos> morning all
[05:02] <Kilos> inetpro, we still only had 20mm
[05:31] <Squirm> oops
[05:31] <Squirm> I got out of bed 5 min ago
[05:43] <Kilos> lol hiya Squirm
[05:48] <Squirm> at work
[05:48] <Squirm> and tired
[05:48] <Squirm> :/
[05:49] <Kilos> hehe
[06:41] <zerlgi> Morning folks.  Mutt for mail and w3m for browsing the web. and irssi for irc
[07:43] <KilosK> zerlgi, kde is better than unity methinks
[07:43] <zerlgi> Windows is better than Unity.
[07:43]  * zerlgi stops trolling
[07:43] <KilosK> i get many workspaces
[07:44] <zerlgi> Kilos, its Friday flamebait.
[07:44] <KilosK> no man now you going too far
[07:44] <zerlgi> ... seriously. Whatever works for you. As long as its on Linux :-)
[07:44] <KilosK> everything is better than winsucks
[07:44] <zerlgi> I'd recommend Win7 over Mac.
[07:44] <zerlgi> ... purely from a ideological point of view.
[07:45] <zerlgi> oh, no. also from a cash point of view.
[07:45]  * zerlgi hates on apple
[07:45] <KilosK> eish 7 is too fulla security stuff you have to work out before you can get anything going
[07:45] <zerlgi> security and usability. Opposite poles.
[07:45]  * KilosK never tried any apple cept those you eat
[07:46] <superfly> zerlgi: do you know Liron Segev?
[07:46] <KilosK> and they only good for making coleslaw
[07:47] <zerlgi> superfly, know of, not Know. I follow him on Twitter.
[07:48] <superfly> zerlgi: ah, OK... he claims to be some sort of IT expert, but I've never heard of him - only heard of him because he wrote a blog post about my company.
[07:49] <SmilyBorg> I used to work with Liron
[07:49] <superfly> SmilyBorg: orly? is he as good as he claims he is?
[07:49] <SmilyBorg> in what area?
[07:49] <zerlgi> Superfly about SaturnLabs?
[07:50] <superfly> "IT"
[07:50] <superfly> zerlgi: no, Nomanini
[07:50] <zerlgi> maaz: google nomanini
[07:50] <Maaz> zerlgi: "Nomanini" http://www.nomanini.com/ :: "Nomanini | Facebook" http://www.facebook.com/Nomanini :: "Nomanini | Afrinnovator" http://afrinnovator.com/blog/companies/nomanini/ :: "nomanini | VC4Africa" http://vc4africa.biz/blog/tag/nomanini/ :: "Nomanini raises series-A funding from eVA Fund and Esther Dyson ..." http://vc4africa.biz/blog/2012/10/02/nomanini-
[07:50] <Maaz> raises-series-a-funding-from-eva-fund-and-esther-dyson/ :: "Noma-Nini Guest House" http://w…
[07:50] <superfly> yup, that's us
[07:50] <SmilyBorg> well he has a company that does some mobile and SMS related software. Also involved with another company that does network services and security stuff
[07:51] <SmilyBorg> honestly, I don't know what his level of skill is at a command line, etc. though he has a prety good general knowlage of the industry and is a fairly decent manager/project manager in my opinion
[07:52] <superfly> SmilyBorg: I'm just wary of people who call themselves experts :-)
[07:52]  * SmilyBorg nods
[07:52] <SmilyBorg> ya me too
[07:52] <superfly> I'm just trying to gauge how seriously I should take him ;-)
[07:52] <zerlgi> his blog says "CEO, Entrepreneur"
[07:53] <SmilyBorg> I've had people refer to me that way or as a guru and I'm rather quick to dismiss it. I know stuff, but not everything. no one can know everything. we are all noobs at something
[07:53] <superfly> SmilyBorg: precisely
[07:53] <SmilyBorg> he is definitely the entrepreneur type
[07:53] <superfly> Starts something and then moves on to the next thing?
[07:54] <SmilyBorg> and I'm weary of giving people too much attention with titles like CEO. one can be a CEO of a 2 person company if they want
[07:54] <superfly> we have 12 people in our company, and we have a CEO
[07:55] <KilosK> im an expert at languages
[07:55] <SmilyBorg> He is always retying new things and looking for new opportunities. Honestly, he's a nice guy and I would work with him again.
[07:55] <KilosK> all except greek
[07:55] <superfly> When I came to work at Nomanini I was introduced as "the Python guru" and I didn't know how to respond... I don't think of myself as a guru
[07:55] <superfly> I just know a little bit of Python and some general best practices
[07:55] <KilosK> you are good superfly
[07:56] <superfly> KilosK: I read a lot
[07:56] <KilosK> just modest
[07:57] <superfly> SmilyBorg: Thanks, that helps :-)
[07:57] <SmilyBorg>  i think in some circles the term guru is used as a compliment, and probably to mean that you know more about that subject than anyone else there. not quite my definition, but I think thats how a lot of the "normals" use it
[07:57] <superfly> SmilyBorg: yeah
[07:59] <SmilyBorg> also, just btw, I have a bit of an issue with authority figures. Anyone that tries to sounds like they are all big and powerful had better not show any cracks or I lose interest very quickly. Boy did I have issues in school when my teachers told us stuff that was wrong and I could prove that it was wrong
[08:00] <SmilyBorg> Liron was more the type that admitted to me that Linux was not his strong point and would ask my opinion before choosing a course of action. The up side is that he is technical enough to be able to speek the same language.
[08:13] <superfly> SmilyBorg: that's cool
[08:14] <SmilyBorg> wow. just saw the most amazing thing. The guys from Weta Workshop made a full scale, working turret from portal
[09:24] <secbrid>  /msg NickServ identify cordless
[09:24] <KilosK> hmm
[09:28] <KilosK> real good soup weather
[09:28] <KilosK> rain coming down gently
[09:37] <charlvn> ooh now you're talking KilosK
[09:37] <charlvn> here is what i am craving: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pea_soup
[09:38] <KilosK> and pancakes for pudding
[09:38] <charlvn> me gusta
[09:39] <charlvn> http://i.imgur.com/zkavg.gif
[09:40] <KilosK> im making split peas and lentils ith fried onion and garlic and kinda braaied shin for  the meaty flavour
[09:40] <KilosK> ith/with
[09:41] <KilosK> cant find the mixed beans to gooi in too
[09:46] <KilosK> inetpro, nou reen dit lekker hier
[09:46] <KilosK> 30mm nou al
[09:46] <KilosK> miskien van ons julle sondaars op
[09:50] <inetpro> KilosK: eh
[10:05] <Squirm> wow. yesterday, 15% of our internet usage came from our cache
[10:05]  * Squirm dances
[10:05] <Squirm> 15.6% of 7.67Gb
[10:09] <tonberryE352> people still consume that much unencrypted and cacheable content
[10:09] <tonberryE352> ?
[10:12] <superfly> tonberryE352: no, people still OFFER that much unencrypted content
[10:12] <tonberryE352> true
[10:13] <tonberryE352> how cacheable is youtube these days?
[10:46] <KilosK> oh my that was an ugly split
[10:53] <charlvn_> wow
[10:53] <charlvn> it was the largest i've seen in a while
[10:54] <charlvn> some server seems to have failed because i had a ping timeout
[11:04] <KilosK> yeah there were only bout 8 peeps left here
[11:04] <Trixar_za> Ping surfing is fun :P
[11:05] <Trixar_za> Hey KilosK :P
[11:08] <KilosK> hi Trixar_za
[11:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:25] <Trixar_za> hmm....
[11:25] <Trixar_za> Mine is bigger :P
[11:26] <inetpro> who can afford to do youtube caching?
[11:26] <Trixar_za> See the extra .
[11:31] <DigiGram> tonberryE352> how cacheable is youtube these days? --> not very much
[11:31] <DigiGram> unless you write your own scripts to keep track of it
[12:06] <KilosK> inetpro, waars jou bbotskap vir twitter asb. ek op ander hardeskyf hier
[12:06] <KilosK> boodskap
[12:19] <KilosK> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting here @ 19.30 monday eveing all
[12:19] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Monthly meeting here @ 19.30 monday eveing all
[12:21] <KilosK> Maaz, excuses
[12:21] <Maaz> Excuses might be accepted, if you have a good enough reason
[12:21] <KilosK> Maaz, seen nuvolari
[12:21] <Maaz> KilosK: nuvolari was last seen 3 days, 18 hours, 56 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-08 10:25:11 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-10-12 03:45:10 PDT
[12:22] <KilosK> Maaz, seen magespawn
[12:22] <Maaz> KilosK: magespawn was last seen 16 hours, 42 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-11 12:39:23 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-10-12 03:44:59 PDT
[13:05] <charlvn> inetpro: what the heck is youtube caching?
[13:06] <inetpro> charlvn: 12/10 12:13:00 <tonberryE352> how cacheable is youtube these days?
[13:08] <inetpro> charlvn: I guess it has to do with caching youtube at proxy level
[13:08] <tonberryE352> it was in response to
[13:08] <tonberryE352> [12:05] <Squirm> wow. yesterday, 15% of our internet usage came from our cache
[13:08] <tonberryE352> [12:05] * Squirm dances
[13:08] <tonberryE352> [12:05] <Squirm> 15.6% of 7.67Gb
[13:08] <inetpro> KilosK: twitter?
[13:10] <inetpro> KilosK: jy bedoel die ene?
[13:10] <inetpro> Reminder: Next #ubuntu-za meeting on Monday, 15 October at 19:30 SAST. Agenda: http://bit.ly/SKJR0j
[13:26] <DigiGram> facebook caches a lot of data and since people reload the pages ALOT, and everyone knows the same people, the all pull the same 20MB photo's etc. Youtube on the other hand gives you an unique server everytime, so the probability of 2 identical files in the cache is very high
[13:26] <DigiGram> as far as I understand it
[13:26] <DigiGram> to bad we don't have a graph of cache usage for the uni, would've been cool to see
[13:27] <DigiGram> only the total usage is available: http://v-mrtg-lnx1.nwu.ac.za/cgi-bin/mrtg/fw-sw2a.cgi?log=fw-sw2a-8
[13:28] <DigiGram> you can easily see the office hours from that graph :)
[13:31] <tonberryE352> they use facebook without https?
[13:32] <DigiGram> oh yeah, I didn;t think about that
[13:35] <DigiGram> yeah I see all page elements use https.. mmm, now which site is it again that I use that use https ONLY for the login page
[13:39] <charlvn> inetpro: oh i see
[13:50] <Squirm> Digi||Gram: I know this because I setup and run the proxy
[14:23] <KilosK> skuus inetpro ekt geslaap en julle nog nie my kde klank reg nie
[14:23] <KilosK> o ek het net die datem uit gelos
[15:32] <KilosK> system needs a restart to complete the process
[15:32] <KilosK> wbb
[15:58] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:38] <ga> hope you ppl caht
[16:38] <ga> need help
[16:38] <ga> loking for ZA hosted torrent sites.
[16:39] <ga> ye syes know this is nt ububtu q
[16:39] <ga> but where else can I find IT related chats
[16:43] <inetpro> ga: I guess you don't want my personal opinion about torrent sites
[16:43] <inetpro> *in South Africa
[16:44] <inetpro> I think it's a waste of time unless you have lot's of bandwidth
[16:47] <inetpro> oh and I guess unless you can get free local data
[16:49] <superfly> inetpro: not to mention that most people use torrents for illegal purposes
[16:50] <ga> na
[16:50] <ga> I have unlimeted internet ...
[16:50] <ga> yip SOuth africa
[16:50] <superfly> and I don't know why a locally hosted torrent site would make a difference, that's not where you do the actual downloading from
[16:51] <ga> i see but I am looking fo SOuth African stuff - afrikaans you know what i mean
[16:51] <superfly> (a) I don't pirate and (b) I'm not Afrikaans
[16:51] <ga> suprefly : your wings are cliped ..
[16:52] <superfly> and (c) you have to agree to the Ubuntu code of conduct, which includes respecting copyright
[16:52] <superfly> if you want to hang out in this channel
[16:52] <ga> ya love ububtu and all..
[16:53] <ga> got i running on my laptop only problem is the knonw bug of screen that freeze when going o sleep
[16:53] <inetpro> sounds to me like superfly is right
[16:56] <ga> lrt all
[16:57] <inetpro> ga: lrt?
[17:03] <superfly> I think he meant "ltr", which I guess means "later"
[17:37] <KilosU> evening all
[17:37] <KilosU> nuvolari, ping
[17:38] <KilosU> hey drussell hows deegee
[17:38] <KilosU> ?
[17:39] <drussell> KilosU: heya! good thanks, how 'bout you?
[17:42] <KilosU> good ty
[17:59] <zeref> ahhhhh, back to Ubuntu :D
[17:59] <KilosU> unity?
[18:00] <zeref> g-shell
[18:00] <zeref> was on windows doing a project on visual Basic + Ms Access
[18:00] <KilosU> ah
[18:02] <superfly> zeref: my condolences
[18:02] <KilosU> lol
[18:02] <superfly> I would fully immerse myself in C#/.NET before stooping to VB and Access
[18:04] <inetpro> KilosU: wb
[18:04] <KilosU> ty inetpro
[18:04] <KilosU> did upgrades on three drives
[18:04] <KilosU> and had lekker soup
[18:06] <inetpro> KilosU: and how much rain did you have today?
[18:06] <KilosU> at 5pm it totalled 40mm since yesterday
[18:06] <zeref> superfly: lol
[18:06] <KilosU> emptied the gauge and will see tomorrow
[18:07] <KilosU> and you inetpro ?
[18:07] <zeref> headache, after headache
[18:07] <inetpro> KilosU: now staning at 83mm
[18:07] <KilosU> whew
[18:07] <inetpro> standing*
[18:07] <inetpro> eish!
[18:08]  * inetpro lagging badly
[18:08] <KilosU> now things will grow
[18:08] <inetpro> KilosU: yep
[18:10] <KilosU> inetpro, are you gonna be here for the meeting?
[18:10] <KilosU> and superfly ?
[18:10] <inetpro> KilosU: I try
[18:10] <superfly> KilosU: I think so, no date nights
[18:10] <KilosU> monkey is away and dunno where magespawn and nuvolari  are
[18:10] <KilosU> yay lol
[18:11] <inetpro> nuvolari: kom kruip uit daai gat van jou!
[18:11] <inetpro> KilosU: he's probably out looking for a new place
[18:12] <KilosU> who is looking for a new place
[18:12] <KilosU> what have i missed
[18:13] <KilosU> nuvo?
[18:13] <inetpro> KilosU: IIRC he needs to move out of his place at some point
[18:13] <KilosU> ai
[18:13] <KilosU> that sucks
[18:13]  * KilosU hates moving
[18:14] <inetpro> not sure when, but I last understood that the owners wanted to sell the place or something like that
[18:14] <KilosU> shame
[18:15] <KilosU> not so bad when you on your own
[18:15] <KilosU> whyen married and settled with kids and all whew
[18:16] <KilosU> when i moved from Pmb to utrecht it was 3 trips with a 5 tonner fully loaded
[18:17] <KilosU> when i moved here it was 1 7 tonner full
[18:18] <KilosU> now its nearly down to suitcases
[18:18] <KilosU> yay
[18:18] <KilosU> oh my, now theres a pile of pc's
[18:19] <KilosU> will be lost without pidgin and irc
[18:19] <inetpro> KilosU: 06/10 19:27:56 <nuvolari> just on the lookout for another place to stay/buy
[18:19] <inetpro> 06/10 19:28:11 <nuvolari> the owners want to sell this place :(
[18:19] <KilosU> aw
[18:20] <KilosU> ty inetpro
[18:25] <inetpro> KilosU: he should just go buy that place from Alec Hogg
[18:25] <inetpro> https://twitter.com/alechogg/status/256774813685800960
[18:28] <inetpro> Seventy acres (30 ha) of prime KZN farmland
[18:28]  * inetpro longs for the days on the farm
[18:28] <inetpro> Property served by trenched underground Telkom cables with two ADSL lines ensuring fast Internet connectivity and landline facilities in office/boardroom and house.
[18:29] <inetpro> I could do with that
[18:29] <inetpro> and best of all, fibre optic installed and ready for switch-on in 2013
[18:30] <KilosU> eish 7.6 mil
[18:30] <KilosU> would be lekker though hey
[18:31] <inetpro> I could work from there for sure
[18:31] <KilosU> i love natal
[18:32] <inetpro> KilosU: I would move there any day, if I could afford it
[18:33] <inetpro> especially with those horses there
[18:33] <inetpro> that's my 1st love
[18:33] <KilosU> haha horses are bad animals man
[18:34] <inetpro> ai!
[18:34] <KilosU> bite in the front, kick at the back and very slippery in the middle
[18:34] <inetpro> nee man!
[18:34] <KilosU> lol joking man
[18:34] <KilosU> i had many
[18:34] <KilosU> friesland stallion
[18:35]  * inetpro used to have 30 of them as a kid
[18:35] <KilosU> brother to the one ET used to ride
[18:35] <KilosU> arab mare and 6 or 7 boerperde
[18:35] <inetpro> mine were boerperd
[18:35] <KilosU> friesian
[18:36] <KilosU> yeah but one hasnt time if you gotta work as well
[18:36]  * inetpro used to ride man many kilometers all on my own
[18:37] <inetpro> s/man/many/
[18:37] <KilosU> to school?
[18:37] <inetpro> no, just on weekends and holidays
[18:37] <inetpro> was in hostel during the week all my schooldays
[18:37] <KilosU> ah
[18:38] <inetpro> started when I was 5 years old
[18:38] <KilosU> ai
[18:38] <inetpro> and never had a day go by without riding unless I was sick
[18:39] <inetpro> until my dad had to sell the farm
[18:39] <KilosU> i used to check on sheep herds in utrecht by horse
[18:39] <inetpro> after three years of draught
[18:39] <KilosU> onna farm
[18:39] <KilosU> 2500 hectares
[18:40] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:40] <KilosU> top and bottom of the mountain
[18:40] <inetpro> wow, that was one big farm
[18:40] <KilosU> having to rely on rain is dicey when farming
[18:40] <inetpro> very!
[18:41] <KilosU> yeah and other brothers farms was same
[18:41] <KilosU> they inherited
[18:41] <inetpro> dads farm was just more than 600ha
[18:42] <KilosU> sad to see farmers having to give up their way of life
[18:43] <KilosU> its a totally different lifestyle
[18:44] <KilosU> tumbleweed, is it a big job to fix maaz's Burp that didnt go down well?
[18:44] <KilosU> convert currencies
[18:45] <KilosU> ah there be cocooncrash
[18:45] <KilosU> hi cocooncrash
[18:45] <KilosU> our family bot be sicker
[18:48] <KilosU> inetpro, is there a command that can answer why a ping isnt successful
[18:49] <KilosU> tween 2 pc's
[18:49] <KilosU> ping works one way only
[18:52] <inetpro> KilosU: your routing tables are probably just not correct the other way around
[18:53] <inetpro> or if you played with a firewall it could be messing you around as well
[18:53] <KilosU> i dont think i have a firewall installed on the one i cant ping
[18:54] <KilosU> its a unity thing and i dunno how to see if it has one even
[18:54] <inetpro> KilosU: do the online networking course suggested by Kerbero
[18:54] <KilosU> lol
[18:55] <inetpro> that is actually something I want to go through
[18:55] <KilosU> is it a daily thing
[18:55] <inetpro> looks like a brilliant lesson
[18:56] <KilosU> with lotsa data use? or documents you can download?
[18:57] <inetpro> lotsa videos, especially in the beginning
[18:58] <inetpro> KilosU: TCP/IP is very important to understand
[18:58] <KilosU> my prob i think is a tiny mistake somewhere because if i put sister drive in there i can ping both ways
[18:59] <KilosU> and nm setup same on the unity drive
[18:59] <inetpro> ai
[18:59] <KilosU> videos eat data man
[19:01] <cocooncrash> KilosU: Hrm?
[19:01] <cocooncrash> Maaz: hi
[19:01] <Maaz> Hello cocooncrash
[19:02] <KilosU> you well cocooncrash ?
[19:02] <cocooncrash> KilosU: Ye, doing well thanks
[19:02] <KilosU> good
[19:05] <KilosU> inetpro, i go look  http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_IntroductionToTheTCPIPGuide.htm
[19:06] <inetpro> wb cocooncrash
[19:07] <KilosU> 1600 pages
[19:07] <KilosU> whew
[19:10] <inetpro> KilosU: only?
[19:10] <KilosU> hahaha
[19:10]  * KilosU collapses
[19:12] <KilosU> thats a yucky book. cant find where to download it
[19:14] <KilosU> yo kodez
[19:22] <kodez> uncle kilos
[19:23] <kodez> greetings everyone
[19:27] <inetpro> hi kodez
[19:31] <kodez> hi uncle inetpro
[19:31] <kodez> how are you?
[19:31] <inetpro> eh!?
[19:32] <inetpro> kodez: me is fine thanks, yourself?
[19:33] <KilosU> good ty kodez and you?
[19:40] <magespawn> evening all
[19:41] <KilosU> hey magespawn
[19:41] <KilosU> you chairing meet monday?
[19:41] <magespawn> what with the U Kilos?
[19:41] <KilosU> Unity
[19:41] <KilosU> other one is KilosK
[19:41] <magespawn> not sure, do not mind
[19:41] <KilosU> thats kde
[19:42] <KilosU> nuvolari, seems busy hunting for place to stay
[19:42] <KilosU> and the monkey away till tuesday
[19:42] <KilosU> so methinks you next in line hey?
[19:42] <magespawn> well lets check with him
[19:43] <KilosU> you had a practise run already
[19:43] <magespawn> has any one put stuff on the agenda yet?
[19:43] <KilosU> and the pro and fly will help you
[19:43] <inetpro> magespawn: check the topic above
[19:44] <magespawn> on the tablet can't select the link
[19:44] <KilosU> can you see your mail?
[19:44] <KilosU> i mailed a link as well
[19:45] <magespawn> will check it quickly
[19:46] <inetpro> magespawn: Agenda: http://bit.ly/SKJR0j
[19:47] <magespawn> ty inetpro and KilosU
[19:47] <KilosU> anytime i here
[19:47] <magespawn> looks more like a how for the chair at the moment
[19:48] <magespawn> to^
[19:49] <inetpro> magespawn: that is basically true yes
[19:49] <inetpro> but I just put that there anyway so we can stick to the format
[19:50] <magespawn> good idea, i felt a bit like a ship without a rudder last time.
[19:50] <inetpro> you would want to do some homework before the meeting
[19:50] <inetpro> and write down a few notes of what you want to say
[19:50] <inetpro> the chair needs to be prepared
[19:51] <magespawn> mmm indeed, deep end last time
[19:52] <inetpro> magespawn: just go to previous meetings and see how it flows
[19:52] <magespawn> will do
[19:52] <inetpro> or go read other LoCo minutes
[19:54] <magespawn>  i am off to bed have an earlish start tomrrow, i will check back tomrrow afternoon, good night guys
[19:54] <KilosU> night magespawn
[19:54] <KilosU> sleep tight
[19:54] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[19:54] <KilosU> night inetpro
[19:54] <KilosU> see you guys tomorrow as well;
[19:54] <inetpro> KilosU: nag oom
[19:55] <KilosU> night all


[00:00] <BobJonkman> That would be Cranky_
[00:07] <BobJonkman> razorgoto: Is https://www.facebook.com/groups/2212705657/ still valid?
[00:25] <BobJonkman> Is it legitimate to edit the video of the Hangout to remove the awkward pauses and nostril shots?
[00:39] <razorgoto> Bob, https://www.facebook.com/groups/2212705657/ the Facebook group is still live, but since there hasn't been any traffic there in 2 years, I won't worry about it.
[01:44] <zykotick9> BobJonkman: ubuntu-ca using Facebook/Twitter/Google Hangouts is very depressing for me...  par for the course i guess...
[01:51] <Smile4yourself> I tried attending the meeting tonight, but had a bad connection and got cut off before the end
[06:45] <BobJonkman> zykotick9: Sorry about that. I asked others to do it because I only maintain a presence on those services to stop others from acquiring my identity there
[07:04] <BobJonkman> If we're going to build a community, we gotta go where the people are
[07:08] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, where is that?
[07:09] <akiva-mobile> I'm in tim hortons atm; 24hours ftw
[07:09] <BobJonkman> akiva-mobile: Right now, it seems to be Google Plus. Not so much today as for the previoius couple of meetings
[07:09] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, there is google plus sessions?
[07:10] <akiva-mobile> are*
[07:10] <BobJonkman> You're at a Timmie's for 24 hours? Or you're at a 24-hour Timmie's?
[07:10] <akiva-mobile> both
[07:10] <BobJonkman> We just had a meeting on Google plus tonight.
[07:10] <akiva-mobile> its pretty steeped
[07:10] <akiva-mobile> oh neat. Should have said something to me
[07:11] <BobJonkman> You can catch up on the video at https://plus.google.com/events/ckmoqf7m5qcrmvrq0gaj0umgjt4
[07:11] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, whats the short version?
[07:11] <BobJonkman> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2014/2014-03-27
[07:14] <BobJonkman> TL;DR: There may be a Kitchener Release Party  on the 17th (or some weekends later); there may be a Toronto Ubuntu Hour this Saturday or Sunday; Sammy Lao (razorgoto) will be looking after the Ubuntu Canada Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/UbuntuCaLoCo ; we'll be running a Google Hangout session on 17 April from 6pm to 12midnight as an online Ubuntu Release Party
[07:14] <BobJonkman> and the next Ubuntu Canada IRC/Video Chat meeting will be on 24 April
[07:15] <BobJonkman> Meetingology minutes at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2014/ubuntu-ca.2014-03-27-23.00.html
[07:15] <meetingology> BobJonkman: Error: "minutes" is not a valid command.
[07:15] <BobJonkman> but they're horribly incomplete since I didn't make good use of #action or #info commands
[07:16] <BobJonkman> OK meetingology, pipe down. We don't need you until the next meeting
[07:16] <BobJonkman> (it's OK, meetingology is a bot, so there's no feelings to get hurt)
[07:17] <BobJonkman> akiva-mobile: Are you on the Ubuntu Canada mailing list? I post meeting announcements and reminders there.
[07:18] <BobJonkman> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
[07:18] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, mmmm neat. Anyone actual developers?
[07:19] <BobJonkman> I think Stephen Webb ( bregma ) wrote all of Unity.
[07:19] <BobJonkman> Or at least parts :)
[07:20] <BobJonkman> There's other developers in the Ubuntu Canada team, and sometimes they're online for the meetings.
[07:21] <BobJonkman> And, of course, lots of non-Canonical developers who code on non-Ubuntu stuff for their day jobs
[07:21] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, nice. I am wanting to get into unity development.
[07:21] <BobJonkman> bregma is the guy you want to talk to about Unity development.
[07:22] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, right alt for a terminal; that is my goal. Just trying to get unity8 desktop session up and running.
[07:23] <BobJonkman> Also dholbach on the #ubuntu-locoteams channel is working on app developer workshops. You should probably ping him.
[07:23] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, thanks
[07:23] <akiva-mobile> will do
[07:23] <BobJonkman> He usually comes online around this time; probably in a European time zone
[07:24] <BobJonkman> And since I'm in a why-aren't-you-in-bed-yet time zone, I've gotta get out of here
[07:24] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, lol; tim hortons is your friend
[07:25] <akiva-mobile> well other than the fact that they always run out of the good soup
[07:25] <BobJonkman> Caffeinated beverages is why I'm still up :)
[07:25] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, do you develop?
[07:26] <BobJonkman> Not any more. Mostly SysAdmin and System Integration nowadays.
[07:26] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, is sysadmin fun?
[07:27] <BobJonkman> Project Management when they're willing to pay big $$$, break-fix &tech support when they only pay $
[07:27] <BobJonkman> SysAdmin can be repetitive, but knowing some scripting languages lets you automate lots of stuff.
[07:28] <akiva-mobile> BobJonkman, bash-fu
[07:28] <BobJonkman> I like tech support better. If you do tech support right, you never have to fix the same problem twice
[07:29] <BobJonkman> OK, I'm off to doze away some caffeine.
[07:29] <BobJonkman> !tzaf, everyone!
[07:40] <akiva-mobile> later


[00:13] <HelenaKitty> I want the saucy image of ubuntu touch but can only find the trusty image
[00:15] <HelenaKitty> nvm found it
[00:47] <Ursinha> Kaleo, bug 1255364
[00:47] <Ursinha> <3
[00:47] <Ursinha> ignore that my sense of direction is broken, haha
[02:08] <gr72> Err, I'm trying to install Touch from my Arch laptop onto my Samsung Galaxy 10.1. I've got fastboot and everything installed, but when I do "fastboot devices' my tab isn't listed.... Thoughts?
[02:17] <cjohnston> !devices | gr72
[02:19] <gr72> ubot5: I've found those, and the image I am trying to install is the p4wifi....
[02:19] <gr72> lol
[02:22] <RobbyF> welp, gonna try this again on N4
[02:25] <gr72> RobbyF: Have you been successfull yet?
[02:25] <RobbyF> oh ya
[02:25] <RobbyF> I've flashed many times
[02:25] <RobbyF> just not in the last 6 weeks
[02:25] <gr72> Nice
[02:29] <mrthareplst> Evening… Anyone know about a project to Ubuntize the Nexus 5?
[02:29] <mrthareplst> I am looking to do some work.
[02:45] <RobbyF> hmm no wifi?
[02:46] <ryan516> Helllo :)
[02:47] <RobbyF> hi
[02:47] <ryan516> Does anyone know if the Drivers for the Xelio P717A work w/ Ubuntu Touch?
[02:48] <ryan516> It's a lower end less heard of tablet, so I'm not sure
[02:49] <RobbyF> I'm not sure
[02:49] <RobbyF> but i'm not getting Wifi on my Nexus 4
[02:51] <rsalveti> RobbyF: did you previously install android 4.4 on it?
[02:51] <RobbyF> yes.
[02:51] <rsalveti> if so, it seems there's an issue with the 4.4 firmware
[02:52] <RobbyF> aww, kernel issue
[02:52] <rsalveti> someone just replied in the m-l saying that it works again after flashing the android 4.2.2 stock image
[02:55] <gr72> anyone know why 'adb devices' shows my tablet, but not 'fastboot devices'?
[02:58] <RobbyF> need to be in fastboot mode?
[03:00] <gr72> I need to root my device first....
[03:05] <gr72> y
[03:06]  * gr72 is sorry... wrong window
[03:44] <Crimson_Rogue> hey, I'm needing some help.
[03:45] <Crimson_Rogue> as I was calling brunch to my device, I get the following error: make: *** No rule to make target `/home/anonynimity/Phablet/out/target/common/obj/APPS/framework-res_intermediates/src/R.stamp', needed by `/home/anonynimity/Phablet/out/target/common/obj/APPS/GalaxyS3Settings_intermediates/src/R.stamp'.  Stop.
[03:45] <Crimson_Rogue> does anyone know what I can do to fix this, please?
[04:06] <Crimson_Rogue> as I was calling brunch to my device, I get the following error: make: *** No rule to make target `/home/anonynimity/Phablet/out/target/common/obj/APPS/framework-res_intermediates/src/R.stamp', needed by `/home/anonynimity/Phablet/out/target/common/obj/APPS/GalaxyS3Settings_intermediates/src/R.stamp'.  Stop.
[04:07] <Crimson_Rogue> does anyone know what I can do to fix this?
[04:36] <Crimson_Rogue> where do I find the Manifest file?
[08:06] <mardy> didrocks: bonjour! Do you know how I can enable armhf builds for the Online Accounts PPA? https://launchpad.net/~online-accounts/+archive/trunk
[08:06] <didrocks> mardy: something you need to ask to #webops, but why do you need that?
[08:06] <didrocks> mardy: shouldn't you just go to the daily-build ppa?
[08:07] <didrocks> mardy: btw, reminder to have the tests skipped on touch for ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts-autopilot :)
[08:07] <didrocks> (+ filing a landing ask for it)
[08:08] <mardy> didrocks: right, I'll do that soon :-)
[08:08] <mardy> didrocks: where is the daily-build PPA?
[08:08] <mardy> (there are tons of PPAs with that name :-) )
[08:08] <didrocks> mardy: ~ubuntu-unity/daily-build
[08:09] <didrocks> mardy: all code in all upstream trunk that are under cu2d are getting there
[08:09] <mardy> didrocks: ah, that explains where Ken was getting all the built packages from! :-)
[08:10] <didrocks> heh, yeah ;)
[08:10] <didrocks> mardy: btw, he seems to have rejected your uploads, some tests don't pass?
[08:10] <didrocks> I think you are aware about it?
[08:10] <didrocks> (the bug you are assigned to)
[08:10] <mardy> didrocks: it's probably this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/accounts-qml-module/+bug/1255343
[08:10] <mardy> didrocks: yep, I'm checking it
[08:11] <didrocks> yep :)
[08:11] <didrocks> thanks!
[08:16] <nhaines> Let's say that I got the following feedback: "desktop_Exec_webbrowser_target_exists (nintendo-miiverse)": "Exec line does not end with parseable URL"
[08:16] <nhaines> And I suspected that this referred to the following line: 'Exec=webbrowser-app --webapp http://miiverse.nintendo.com/ --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://miiverse.nintendo.com/*'
[08:16] <nhaines> What am I missing?
[09:42] <john_____> hi
[09:43] <john_____> i have installed a fresh ubuntu on nexus 4 and can't get any network connection. where is the trick?
[09:48] <john_____> has anyone a hint how to connect to wlan?
[09:50] <mardy> alan_g: ping
[09:50] <alan_g> mardy: ?
[09:52] <mardy> alan_g: hi! I guess that this is more a matter for Kevin Gunn, but AFAIK he's off today
[09:53] <mardy> alan_g: can you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1252294
[09:53] <mardy> alan_g: I'd just like to know if it's something which can be fixes soonish, or requires some work
[09:54] <mardy> alan_g: because it doesn't allow us (Online Accounts) to run the autopilot tests on the phone (so I'll disable them there)
[09:56] <alan_g> mardy: I can't be sure but it doesn't sound like a problem with code I'm familiar with.
[09:58] <mardy> alan_g: do you know whom I could ask for a hint?
[09:58] <alan_g> mardy: This is on the phone?
[09:58] <mardy> alan_g: yes, only on the phone
[09:59] <mardy> (I didn't try unity8 on the desktop, actually :-) )
[09:59] <alan_g> mardy: that was my next question? ;)
[10:00] <alan_g> greyback: does this sound like something you understand? ^^
[10:01] <greyback> alan_g: mardy: yeah looks like something on my end.
[10:01] <mardy> greyback: ah, I knew!!! ;-)
[10:01] <mardy> alan_g: thanks, sorry to have bothered you
[10:01] <greyback> mardy: what sort of fancy behaviours are you wanting now, eh?
[10:02] <mardy> greyback: I wonder if it's somehow related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1254333
[10:02] <alan_g> greyback: mardy ok. (If you need any more help let me know)
[10:02] <mardy> greyback: because the first time it works, it fails only afterwards
[10:03] <greyback> mardy: possible. let me try to repro
[10:15] <mardy> greyback: did you manage to reproduce it?
[10:17] <greyback> mardy: not yet, I'm reflashing my phone
[10:19] <nerochiaro> thomi: hello, i don't know if mzanetti told you already, but can you please keep me posted on the progress of getting autopilot 1.4 released to the ppa ?
[10:20] <john_____> hello, how is it possible to get wlan connected
[10:20] <john_____> wifi?
[10:32] <t1mp> is someone looking into this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1255327
[10:39] <t1mp> tmoenicke: ^ do you work on the keyboard?
[10:40] <tmoenicke> t1mp: yep, letme check
[10:40] <t1mp> tmoenicke: okay, thanks
[10:41] <tmoenicke> t1mp: it goes where the focus is
[10:43] <t1mp> tmoenicke: what does that mean? does unity change focus to the wrong app?
[10:50] <nic-doffay> Anyone gotten a similar message with phablet-network? Network connection file "uuid=1042ce84-5e70-4eea-b373-fe87b6b8b832" cannot be read
[10:57] <tmoenicke> t1mp: looks like. smth sets the focus elsewhere
[10:58] <tmoenicke> t1mp: is the previously focused app (the one you kill on console) still registered somewhere?
[11:02] <t1mp> tmoenicke: that I don't know, perhaps better to discuss it with Saviq
[11:03] <t1mp> Saviq: ^
[11:03] <Saviq> tmoenicke, t1mp, it shouldn't be - when it's killed, the other app gains focus
[11:09] <greyback> mardy: ok I'm (finally) in a place to test. I start online-accounts-ui. Then in other shell I start system-settings. When I do that, online-accounts comes up on screen, and the system-settings quits.
[11:09] <greyback> then I quit OAU. Unity8 returns to dash.
[11:09] <greyback> So I start again. But it appears to work here.
[11:11] <greyback> mardy: so I'm suspicious: should system-settings process stop once OAU appears?
[11:12] <greyback> I did manage to cause unity8 to crash though, so will see about that
[11:14] <nerochiaro> greyback: mzanetti: if you had answered i might have missed it, my internet died for a moment
[11:15] <greyback> nerochiaro: answered what? Last message from you was an hour ago, was that it?
[11:15] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: seems your internet died before you managed to ask :)
[11:16] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: greyback: oh, sorry. do you guys know if there's a way to tell the shell to not lock up the screen while inactive for a certain amount of time ? (or increase that amount of time)
[11:17] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: stop powerd
[11:17] <greyback> or "sudo powerd-cli display on" to lock the display to be on
[11:17]  * mzanetti notes that down
[11:17] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: ok. i just killed powerd for now though
[11:17] <nerochiaro> thanks
[11:18] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: depending on what "killed powerd" means for you it might get respawned by upstart...
[11:19] <mardy> greyback: it's not important whether system-settings gets stopped (ideally it shouldn't but I guess it is?)
[11:20] <mardy> greyback: to reproduce the bug, though, you need to kill both online-accounts-ui and system-settings
[11:22] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:22] <mardy> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/disable-autopilot-tests/+merge/196848 :-)
[11:23] <didrocks> mardy: \o/
[11:29] <greyback> mardy: this is a stupid question but need to be certain: what does the screen drawn by online accounts look like? Is it titled "Online Accounts"
[11:58] <mardy> greyback: yes, that's the title :-)
[11:58] <greyback> mardy: thanks, just checking
[11:59] <davmor2> ogra_: 3g/wifi issue seems to be gone now on this mornings update
[11:59] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah
[12:00] <ogra_> davmor2, just releasing it :)
[12:00] <didrocks> we have davmor2's stamp, it should really really be fixed this time! :)
[12:00] <ogra_> heh
[12:00] <ogra_> aaand r32 published ...
[12:01] <davmor2> didrocks: give me chance I haven't tried breaking it yet
[12:05] <davmor2> didrocks, ogra_: so disabling wifi reboot and it connects to 3g, I'll do a fresh install and confirm though :)
[12:05] <didrocks> davmor2: thanks!
[12:07] <davmor2> ogra_: right I'm doing a fresh install of r32 to double check it as that is the one you are publishing
[12:25] <davmor2> didrocks, ogra_: all good from a fresh install Woohoo!
[12:25] <greyback> mardy: what spawns online-accounts-ui usually?
[12:25] <didrocks> davmor2: \o/
[12:25] <mardy> greyback: it's D-Bus activated
[12:25] <greyback> mardy: ok
[12:25] <ogra_> davmor2, great
[12:26]  * greyback wishes we didn't have 2 separate app launch mechanisms
[12:48] <dholbach> stgraber, I just updated to r33 on grouper, but "system-image-cli -i" tells me that I have "current build number: 25"
[12:48] <dholbach> stgraber, which is probably the reason why it would reinstall and reinstall and reinstall, whenever I open the system updater thing
[12:49] <dholbach> stgraber, is this a known condition? :)
[12:51] <ogra_> dholbach, sounds more like a barry question
[12:52] <dholbach> ogra_, he's not here ;-)
[12:56] <t1mp> tmoenicke: can we assign someone to the keyboard bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1255327
[13:01] <tmoenicke> t1mp: not sure this is a problem of the osk, but I can check if the inputmethod plugin is behaving correctly for this case
[13:02] <t1mp> tmoenicke: please do. and if it is not an osk bug, lets find the correct project to report it to
[13:03] <tmoenicke> ok
[13:21] <cwayne_> pete-woods, btw looks like the usermetrics theming stuff made it in the image yesterday, thanks again for your help there!
[13:22] <pete-woods> cwayne: I'm not sure I did anything! but I'm glad it landed
[13:32] <red6m__> does skype work on nexus10 flashed with ubuntu-touch?
[13:38] <red6m__> skype?
[13:38] <red6m__> is there skuype on ubuntu-touch?
[13:44] <cwayne_> red6m__, not yet, no
[13:45] <ogra_> microsoft would have to provide arm binaries first
[13:45] <red6m__> ogra_, argh. this is so pisses me off. I don't use skype but my mom does, so I',m kinda forced to.
[13:52] <red6m__> any alternative to skype on ubuntu-touch?
[13:58] <nerochiaro> om26er: i've been trying to use the example you sent me for integration tests. I can get the proxy for the other process. but anything i try to select with select_many or select_single doesn't seem to exist. Even a simple loader in the root of the app that i know has to be there
[13:59] <om26er> nerochiaro, ugh, ok. I have to attend a  call in 1 minute. I'll look into this issue after if thats fine
[14:00] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok
[14:18] <mardy> greyback: any luck?
[14:20] <greyback> mardy: crasher reproduced, good idea of the flaw. But when I start system-settings it always seems to close itself and online-accounts-ui comes up instead
[14:21] <mardy> greyback: close? weird, it shouldn't
[14:22] <greyback> mardy: yeah. It doesn't crash. Just closes
[14:23] <greyback> mardy: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6484518/ is the output I get from it
[14:24] <greyback> on screen I see a flicker, then online ui appears, and system-settings has stopped itself
[14:32] <cwayne_> cjwatson, is there a way to get some useful debugging from click (for example, what its actually doing during a click install && click register)
[14:36] <cjwatson> cwayne_: it's python, you can just pdb it or whatever
[14:37] <cwayne_> fair enough
[14:42] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: i'm trying to access the webview contents via evaluateJavaScript, but whatever i seem to do in the code I pass to it always returns undefined
[14:43] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: i mean, the code is evaluated, as i can raise alerts for example, but how do I return data out of it ?
[14:43] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, are you sure the js is being executed  in the page?
[14:44] <alex_abreu> ah
[14:44] <cwayne_> nerochiaro, i thought that was deprecated in the latest qt webviews?
[14:44] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: "(function(){ return '777';})()" << this is what i pass to it expecting to get back "777" from the call
[14:45] <nerochiaro> cwayne_: i don't know, I'm following alex_abreu's suggestion to use it to access the webview's DOM
[14:45] <nerochiaro> cwayne_: any better ideas ?
[14:45] <alex_abreu> cwayne, do you have a pointer?
[14:46] <cwayne_> alex_abreu, well, its not listed here: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtwebkit/qml-qtwebkit3-webview.html
[14:47] <nerochiaro> cwayne_: it seems to be back in 5.1, was gone for 5.0
[14:48] <alex_abreu> it is there
[14:48] <alex_abreu> for sure
[14:48] <nerochiaro> cwayne_: through experimental.evaluateJavaScript
[14:48] <nerochiaro> which is undocumented
[14:48] <alex_abreu> it is undocumented yes
[14:49] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: do you manage to get anything out of that evaluateJavaScript call ?
[14:50] <cwayne_> damn, that'd have been helpful to know a couple weeks ago!
[14:50] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, sure I use it to run my autopilot tests
[14:50] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, quickly testing
[14:50] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: thank you
[14:51] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: maybe i'm just passing a wrongly formed bit of js, not sure
[14:51] <alex_abreu> oh something has changed but I doubt it
[14:55] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, works for me
[14:56] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: with the same JS i passed to you ?
[14:57] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: can you give me the line you use to make the call ?
[14:57] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, w/ this ugly wml http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6484727/
[14:58] <alex_abreu> qml
[14:58] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: what's the tid ?
[14:58] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, check in onloading changed
[14:58] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, not used, ...
[14:58] <alex_abreu> does not change
[14:58] <alex_abreu> the way that things work
[14:59] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: oh, ok, i was missing the 2nd parameter to eval i guess. sorry for the noise
[14:59] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: i'll try again
[14:59] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, ah ... the function(result) {} bit is important indeed :)
[14:59] <alex_abreu> np
[15:00] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: does the result need to be a piece of JSON ?
[15:00] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, there are other ways to eval in the page, this is the most straightforward way, but you can quickly setup a messaging mechanism w/ qt.postMessage & qt.onMessageReceived
[15:01] <alex_abreu> nerochiaro, it needs to be a string or convertable to a string , objects need to be serialized
[15:01] <stgraber> dholbach: hmm, not a known condition, no...
[15:02] <stgraber> dholbach: can you pastebin /cache/recovery/log ?
[15:04] <nerochiaro> alex_abreu: ok, got it working
[15:14] <om26er> nerochiaro, hey I am not able to reproduce the issue you described earlier. I tried this code http://paste.ubuntu.com/6484781/ and I seems to be able to be able to access gallery elements
[15:32] <nerochiaro> om26er: i think my problem is that i wasn't waiting. with wait_select_single seems to work
[15:45] <nerochiaro> om26er: are we supposed to be able to select_single on Loader objects ?
[15:45] <dholbach> stgraber, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6484955/
[15:46] <om26er> nerochiaro, I think wait_select_single is for that since they their presence is not guaranteed
[15:46] <nerochiaro> om26er: i mean wait_select_single("Loader")
[15:50] <om26er> nerochiaro, I would suggest elements inside the loader and not the loader itself.
[16:00] <tvoss_> alesage, ping
[16:00] <stgraber> dholbach: hmm, that log says you only upgraded to 25
[16:01] <stgraber> dholbach: so you can either wait for barry to help you debug what happened on the downloader side or you can do "system-image-cli -b 0" which should get you a full update and get you upgraded
[16:01] <stgraber> barry: if you're around ^
[16:01] <dholbach> stgraber, the UI showed me 33 and I can upgrade to it again and again and again if I want :)
[16:01] <ogra_> stgraber, there is some stuff that piled up in saucy-updates that would possibly justify a new saucy build ... i refrained from doing one since i thought you might want to be around to watch system-image etc
[16:01] <barry> stgraber, dholbach hi
[16:02] <dholbach> yo yo!
[16:02] <stgraber> ogra_: go ahead, we already did one in the past so we know it'll work. Just trigger the build and it'll get imported into saucy-proposed.
[16:02] <nerochiaro> om26er: i just tried that and still doesn't find the object. it seems only to be able to find the main view
[16:03] <ogra_> well, you made changes to system-image inbetween :)
[16:03] <barry> sorry, my scrollback doesn't go far enough to see the original dholbach (see how i rhymed that? :)
[16:03] <nerochiaro> om26er: i mean, the QQuickView
[16:03] <dholbach> barry, only if you pronounce my name in an American/English way :-P
[16:03] <dholbach> barry, but yeah - nice one!
[16:03] <barry> dholbach: oops, yeah :)
[16:03] <om26er> nerochiaro, can you share the code you are working on so I can have a look closer
[16:03] <barry> dholbach: so, what's happening?
[16:04] <dholbach> barry, so yeah - I did an update of grouper to r33, but system-image-cli -i says it's at r25
[16:04] <dholbach> barry, so I can do updates to r33 like I can check out of Hotel California
[16:04] <barry> dholbach: what does system-image-cli --dry-run say?
[16:05] <dholbach> barry, Upgrade path is 26:27:28:31:33
[16:05] <barry> dholbach: okay, next.  you can either look at /var/log/system-image/client.log (and maybe paste it) or you can run `system-image-cli -v` and see what happens
[16:07] <dholbach> barry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6485036/
[16:08] <nerochiaro> om26er: i just pushed the code to lp:~amanzi-team/webbrowser-app/webbrowser-app-file-upload/
[16:08] <merculiv> Can someone help me with enabling wifi on my tablet?
[16:08] <alesage> tvoss hi
[16:08] <alesage> tvoss_, ^^ :)
[16:11] <dholbach> barry, but I'm happy to run `system-image-cli -v` too
[16:11] <merculiv> trying to enable wifi on my Samsung p4wifi but not sure what to do in adb
[16:11] <barry> dholbach: those FileNotFound errors are troubling.  it's going to be difficult to debug that because some of those have changed in s-i 2.0 which still hasn't been assigned a landing slot yet.  i don't know whether that's actually your problem though because it seems to still get through reboot.  during reboot it's the recovery log that will have to give us more info.  you can also try running s-i 2.0 from my ppa in the meantime:
[16:11] <barry> https://launchpad.net/~barry/+archive/experimental
[16:12] <om26er> nerochiaro, can you make sure QQuickView is fully loaded on screen by asserting its .visible property first
[16:12] <dholbach> barry, I can also come back with the problem once s-i 2 has landed if you want
[16:13] <dholbach> barry, I haven't been part of this process before, but is it difficult to get a "landing slot"?
[16:14] <barry> dholbach: not hard to *request* one ;)  https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=0
[16:14] <barry> see line 326
[16:15] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok
[16:18] <dholbach> barry, I see - so it's going to be a matter of getting it tested and then approved?
[16:19] <barry> dholbach: i think so.  i haven't heard any progress on that in a week or so.  i guess i should ping didrocks or someone on that
[16:20] <dholbach> all rightie.. I'll get back to you once I tested s-i 2
[16:20] <didrocks> barry: hum? I pinged you a week ago to tell feel free to test and dput it :)
[16:20] <didrocks> barry: because I thought you didn't look at the landing ask when I told "approved" :)
[16:20] <barry> didrocks: oh!  i must have missed that.  well, good news thanks!  i'll upload 2.0 today
[16:21] <merculiv> I am trying to enable wifi with these instructions on the right model but maybe on missing some simple instructions?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p4wifi#link_to_images
[16:21] <didrocks> barry: excellent \o/
[16:21]  * dholbach hugs barry and didrocks
[16:22]  * didrocks hugs dholbach and barry back
[16:22] <dholbach> barry, go go go!
[16:23] <nerochiaro> om26er: i tried that too. it becomes visible but still can't wait_select the other objects
[16:24] <om26er> nerochiaro, can you post the logs
[16:25] <nerochiaro> om26er: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6485140/
[16:25] <nerochiaro> om26er: the code is the same as the one in the branch except that i do this:
[16:25] <nerochiaro>         view = gallery_proxy.wait_select_single("QQuickView")
[16:25] <nerochiaro>         self.assertThat(view.visible, Eventually(Equals(True)))
[16:25] <nerochiaro>         print gallery_proxy.wait_select_single("MainView", objectName="pickerMainView") # This doesn't too
[16:25] <nerochiaro> at the end of the test
[16:25] <nerochiaro> to try and get the object loaded by the loader
[16:33] <randomcpp> why can't I copy files from .cache/<appid> to .local/share/<appid>?
[16:44] <xnox> randomcpp: how do you mean "can't"? how/why does that fail for you?
[16:44] <xnox> does apparmor block you or something else?
[16:47] <randomcpp> I import images with Ubuntu.Content and they are stored in .cache/appid and if I try copy them to .local/share it fails (I have a c++ function that should do all the work)
[16:48] <cwayne_> randomcpp, check in the logs to see if apparmor is blocking it
[16:48] <randomcpp> in app logs right?
[16:48] <cwayne_> i think its in kern.log
[16:48] <cwayne_> or syslog should have it
[16:48] <randomcpp> ok I'll check
[16:49] <cwayne_> easiest is to just cd /var/log then rgrep <appname>
[16:51] <om26er> nerochiaro, the issue is with your code
[16:52] <nerochiaro> om26er: in what sense ?
[16:52] <om26er> nerochiaro,  the elements you are trying to access are not created, they are context dependant. i.e you have to open a certain view for them to be visible
[16:52] <nerochiaro> om26er: i do, the picker view is opened
[16:55] <nerochiaro> om26er: the content hub opens gallery in picker mode
[16:55] <om26er> nerochiaro, I can recreate that issue on my desktop with this code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6485257/
[16:56] <nerochiaro> om26er: but if you see my test and my code you will see that i'm opening gallery throgh the contnt hub, which opens it in picker view
[16:56] <nerochiaro> om26er: so the picker should be visible
[16:56] <nerochiaro> om26er: and findable
[16:57] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: you there?
[16:57] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, sure
[16:58] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: so i was investigating https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1254747
[16:59] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: and the summary is: the test code has always been wrong (creates a QCoreApp inside the test that is already a QCoreApp and Qt doesn't allow that) but before it worked because we did not compile Qt with debug enabled so it did not assert, that ppa is debug-eanbled and does assert
[16:59] <tsdgeos> i don't see much ways to fix it other than
[16:59] <tsdgeos> a) try to make the "outer" test not QCoreApp based writing a main ourselves
[16:59] <tsdgeos> b) ignore the test if Qt is compiled with debug
[17:00] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: any idea?
[17:00] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, why do we have a second QCoreApp?
[17:01] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: because it's testing the arguments thing for the apps
[17:01] <Kaleo> ah
[17:01] <tsdgeos> UCArgument and stuff
[17:02] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, if a) is not too hard then that sounds good
[17:02] <tsdgeos> tbh i have no idea
[17:02] <tsdgeos> but i'll try that tomorrow
[17:02] <tsdgeos> eod time here
[17:02] <Kaleo> ok
[17:02] <tsdgeos> and we'll see what i end up with
[17:02] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, thanks for the heads up
[17:02] <tsdgeos> tx for the chat
[17:02]  * tsdgeos waves
[17:05] <nerochiaro> om26er: if you start the gallery via content hub, can you get to that pickerMainView ?
[17:05] <om26er> nerochiaro, I don't think content hub appears on desktop, does it ?
[17:06] <nerochiaro> om26er: no, i'm trying all that on device. the test itself is disable on desktop with skipIf
[17:08] <om26er> nerochiaro, what steps should I take to see the content hub
[17:09] <nerochiaro> om26er: in your QML do this: activeTransfer = ContentHub.importContent(ContentType.Pictures);
[17:09] <nerochiaro>         activeTransfer.selectionType = ContentTransfer.Single;
[17:09] <nerochiaro>         activeTransfer.start();
[17:09] <nerochiaro> and content hub will fire up gallery in picker mode
[17:10] <om26er> nerochiaro, ContentHub comes from Ubuntu.Components ?
[17:10] <nerochiaro> om26er: import Ubuntu.Content 0.1
[17:11] <om26er> so I think we need 'autopilot vis remote'
[17:13] <nerochiaro> om26er: why ?
[17:15] <om26er> I meant there should be a tool along the lines autopilot vis-remote ...
[17:20] <om26er> nerochiaro, isn't the picker interaction already implemented for the webbrowser ? What should I do in the webbrowser so that it invokes the content picker. I will get to that state and try to debug further from python console on my phone
[17:20] <Stskeeps> .f
[17:22] <nerochiaro> om26er: it's not implemented. my branch i gave you before tries to implement it
[17:23] <om26er> nerochiaro, right. I think I can recreate that from the wallpaper selector in system-settings app
[17:23] <randomcpp> cwayne, I have some DENIED in logs but they don't much
[17:23] <randomcpp> tell much *
[17:24] <nerochiaro> om26er: sounds good
[17:25] <TechieElf> Any other devs active? I have a boot loop problem and no adb.. how can I debug?
[17:25] <nerochiaro> om26er: are you trying that now ?
[17:26] <om26er> nerochiaro, yes
[17:29] <alecu> TechieElf: have you tried booting in recovery mode?
[17:29] <TechieElf> I just read that I should try this (from /Touch/Porting - Troubleshooting (janimo))
[17:30] <TechieElf> alecu: Curious. Which ubuntu rootfs zip should I be flashing?
[17:31] <TechieElf> Welcome, Hashcode
[17:31] <Hashcode> Alo TechieElf
[17:31] <alecu> TechieElf: are you flashing manually? or using phablet-flash?
[17:32] <TechieElf> Hashcode: I'm working on flipped for xt907, started from scratch. I'm a git n00b otherwise I'd commit my work
[17:32] <TechieElf> alecu: Flashing manually
[17:32] <alecu> TechieElf: ah, I've always used phablet-flash, so I can't help you there, sorry.
[17:32] <TechieElf> alecu: It's fine.
[17:35] <TechieElf> TheLordOfTime: DW Reference?? :D
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> TechieElf, +1 for getting it right
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> but that's my ZNC default-nicking...
[17:35] <TechieElf> YAY :3
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> note to self set nick to actual LP nick later...
[17:35] <TechieElf> Haha
[17:40] <TechieElf> alecu: I pulled the last kmsg, can you take a look at it for me? http://pastebin.com/3GzBtMRi
[17:41] <randomcpp> cwayne, apparently, QFile doesn't work with fileName beginning with "file://"
[17:42] <randomcpp> that's why it was failing to copy/move files
[17:46] <TechieElf> Can anyone help with troubleshooting my boot loop? Here's the last_kmsg: http://pastebin.com/3GzBtMRi
[17:51] <om26er> nerochiaro, btw PickerScreen is there (select_single("PickerScreen"))
[17:52] <om26er> one of its child is OrientationHelper which means its indeed part of the MainView
[17:53] <cwayne_> bzoltan, ping
[17:58] <om26er> nerochiaro, btw what exactly you want to do with this view? I can for example get the top tabs and the picker toolbar easily. others also exisit
[17:58] <om26er> *exist
[18:03] <nerochiaro> om26er: i want to click on an image in the picker, then press the "ok" button and see if in the first app we receive the chosen file
[18:04] <om26er> nerochiaro, hmm, that's doable. I can already get the 'Pick' button. so its just a matter of get to the first image.
[18:04] <om26er> which we can probably get hints from the already written tests
[18:05] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok, i am not sure why I can't get PickerMainView, but i guess I can use PickerScreen
[18:05] <om26er> yeah, me neither
[18:06] <nerochiaro> om26er: i'll give it a shot. i have to go now, though. thanks for the help
[18:06] <om26er> nerochiaro, sure no problem
[18:36] <TechieElf> Troubleshooting help anyone?? http://pastebin.com/3GzBtMRi is my last_kmsg
[18:50] <Crimson_Rogue> which pre-installed image would I need for an sgs3?
[18:50] <Crimson_Rogue> and do I need the recovery image as well?
[18:54] <Anonynimity> which pre-installed image would I need for an sgs3?
[18:54] <Anonynimity> and do I need the recovery image as well?
[18:58] <Ursinha> ogra_, who do I need to bribe to get bug 1233176 fixed?
[18:58] <Ursinha> or "Alarm clock doesn't work at all"
[18:59] <ogra_> Ursinha, dunno, i know that popey had such a bug open before ...
[18:59] <ogra_> (unless its the same)
[18:59] <ogra_> i would guess the alarm stuff lives somewhere in the indicators
[19:00] <TechieElf> Anonynimity: sauce-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip and no recovery image
[19:00] <pmcgowan> I think charles_ had some work to finish to enable the alrams
[19:00] <pmcgowan> alarms
[19:00] <ogra_> ah
[19:00] <TechieElf> Can someone help me with my boot loop ?! I have the last kmsg: http://pastebin.com/3GzBtMRi
[19:00] <Ursinha> there was another bug about not being able to save the alarm (bug 1236390 which is fixed) and another bug about internals of having the alarm working (bug 1187994, which is fix released not sure why)
[19:01] <pmcgowan> the saving works now
[19:01] <pmcgowan> has for some time
[19:01] <Ursinha> pmcgowan, yes
[19:01] <pmcgowan> the triggering does not
[19:01] <Ursinha> but it's not really useful if the saved alarm does nothing :)
[19:01] <pmcgowan> nope
[19:01] <kenvandine> i really wish that worked :(
[19:02] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i guess someone wants her icecream *now* :)
[19:03] <pmcgowan> indeed
[19:03] <ogra_> (we have so many missing featues still ... thats just one of them)
[19:03] <pmcgowan> its important for dogfooding though
[19:03] <pmcgowan> key feature
[19:03] <Ursinha> ogra_, people that are using the phone as their primary phones suffer because that's their alarm clocks
[19:04] <Ursinha> I don't have an old fashioned clock that wakes me up in the morning, I've been using solely my phone for ~8 years :)
[19:04] <pmcgowan> Ursinha, I am not sure who that bug resides with now, charles_ marked it fixed from his perspective
[19:04] <pmcgowan> thostr_, can you help?
[19:04] <Ursinha> and I also know people that haven't migrated only because there's no alarm clock application :)
[19:05] <ogra_> Ursinha, i want to use my phone for navigating my car ... i will get lost if that doesnt work :P
[19:05] <Ursinha> ogra_, you want to go that way? :) better not
[19:05] <ogra_> Ursinha, and whatsapp ... I WANT WHATSAPP !
[19:05] <ogra_> now !
[19:05] <ogra_> :)
[19:06] <pmcgowan> thostr_, who does  bug 1233176 sit with do you know?
[19:06] <thostr_> Ursinha: Charles has been working on clock but haven't pushed all his changes yet
[19:06] <ogra_> the alarms, vibration on calls etc ... there is a bunch of essential features we simply still need to implement
[19:06] <ogra_> it all takes its time
[19:07] <ogra_> unless we get more devs working on them ;)
[19:07] <Ursinha> ogra_, not sure why you're telling me all this, I'm only pointing one feature I think it's important at least to have an idea on what's going on
[19:07] <Ursinha> ask doesn't hurt, afaik :)
[19:07] <Ursinha> *asking
[19:07] <ogra_> Ursinha, right, we have someone asking about these features on the ML once a month ...
[19:08] <Ursinha> ogra_, exactly, if it was clear on the bug what's going on, I wouldn't come here to ask
[19:08] <ogra_> the essential stuff like alarms or vibration is on the radar
[19:08] <ogra_> but we definitely all need to do better bug work !!
[19:08] <ogra_> i totally agree on that
[19:08] <ogra_> (including myself ... :P )
[19:09] <Ursinha> he he
[19:09] <pmcgowan> thostr_, should the bug be opened again then if more changes are pending? it was marked fixed
[19:09] <pmcgowan> so no one is currently tracking it
[19:09] <Ursinha> pmcgowan, that was my main question :)
[19:09] <thostr_> pmcgowan: well, the backend is working
[19:09] <thostr_> pmcgowan: problem is the visualization part
[19:09] <pmcgowan> right but is that in indicator-datetime?
[19:10] <thostr_> pmcgowan: I cannot recall the outcome of the discussion we had two months ago on this
[19:10] <pmcgowan> heh
[19:10] <thostr_> pmcgowan: I'll need to follow up with Charles and then comment on the bug
[19:10] <pmcgowan> great thanks thostr_
[19:11] <Ursinha> thanks thostr_ and pmcgowan
[19:11] <thostr_> pmcgowan: IIRC basic question was how to show alarm or notify users. Is it the indicator or rather the alarm service waking up the alarm setter (clock) so that the setter could visualize the alarm.
[19:12] <pmcgowan> thostr_, I would think the former but who knows
[19:13] <thostr_> pmcgowan: well, I'd argue that the indicator itself should not wake up an app, such things should only be done by system services
[19:14] <thostr_> pmcgowan: but as said I'll follow up with Charles... after thanksgiving though
[19:14] <pmcgowan> thostr_, ok,
[19:31] <mhall119> pmcgowan: hey, has there been any talk/plans/designs on what to do when a phone is docked?  When I dock my Android phone, it dims the screen and switches to what is essentially an "Alarm clock" mode, we should offer something similar either as an app, or something built into Unity 8, or something else
[19:32] <pmcgowan> mhall119, do you have a special dock for it?
[19:32] <mhall119> for my Droid X I do
[19:32] <mhall119> not for my N4
[19:32] <pmcgowan> I think ti requires a special hw interface to detect the dock
[19:33] <pmcgowan> then you can do something interesting
[19:33] <pmcgowan> do you know what the interface is on the droid?
[19:33] <mhall119> right, which I assume we could do if an OEM wanted it, but we need the software to support the usecase
[19:34] <mhall119> pmcgowan: no idea, probably it gets some identifier over USB
[19:34] <pmcgowan> could be
[19:34] <mhall119> host or device, not sure how it presents itself to the phone
[19:34] <pmcgowan> mhall119, software part would seem easy, just go into a mode or launch an app on the event
[19:34] <mhall119> but I think the bigger question is how we present a docked interface in Unity and where in the stack it fits
[19:35] <pmcgowan> mhall119, pose the question to design I think
[19:35] <mhall119> ok
[19:37] <TechieElf> Can anyone help me fix my fstab file? Apparently it has mount options not supported by Ubuntu
[19:39] <Ursinha> mhall119, hey :) how should one report bugs on click packages? I believe ubuntu-bug doesn't work for them?
[19:39] <mhall119> Ursinha: I believe you're right, beuno do you know of a way?
[19:40] <Ursinha> mhall119, not sure if you're following the discussion on bug reporting on ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-devel mailing list?
[19:40] <Ursinha> it would be a good thing to raise there
[19:40] <mhall119> Ursinha: probably not, I have too many ML subscriptions to keep up with
[19:40] <Ursinha> I've been filing bugs against ubuntu-app-clock and I wasn't sure how to proceed, as there's an ubuntu package but no published packages in launchpad
[19:40] <Ursinha> hehe
[19:42] <Ursinha> mhall119, where can I get a list of all click packages we have?
[19:42] <sergiusens> Ursinha, the strategy for clicks was to use the store
[19:42] <Ursinha> sergiusens, on the phone? how do I do that?
[19:42] <Ursinha> (I recall something about that)
[19:42] <sergiusens> Ursinha, it's not implemented yet :-/
[19:43] <Ursinha> sergiusens, :/
[19:43] <popey> Ursinha: the core apps are listed on the avengers page
[19:43] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[19:43] <popey> direct links to the bug trackers
[19:43] <Ursinha> popey, I want a list of click packages
[19:43] <mhall119> Ursinha: I use https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?q=architecture:armhf
[19:43] <Ursinha> thanks mhall119
[19:43] <popey> click list
[19:43] <Ursinha> sergiusens, in the meantime, how's one supposed to file bugs?
[19:43] <popey> Ursinha: hang on
[19:43] <mhall119> Ursinha: but that list isn't complete, since it limited results based on your IP address
[19:43] <Ursinha> mhall119, right
[19:43] <popey> are you talking about apps _we_ deliver or community apps?
[19:44] <TechieElf> I don't mean to nag, but can someone have a look at my fstab file? http://pastebin.com/jeksq51j apparently it has some unsupported mount options
[19:44] <Ursinha> popey, the apps we deliver, such as the clock app
[19:44]  * mhall119 notes that we deliver community apps :)
[19:44] <Ursinha> mhall119, :)
[19:44] <popey> Ursinha: right, as I said, look at the avengers page
[19:44] <popey> all listed right there
[19:44] <mhall119> right, what popey said
[19:44] <sergiusens> Ursinha, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21840/community-1308-quality-reporting-bugs/
[19:44] <Ursinha> sergiusens, let me see
[19:44] <mhall119> you have to manually file bugs still, not using ubuntu-bug
[19:45] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ adb shell sudo -u phablet click list | wc -l
[19:45] <popey> 134
[19:45] <popey> too many apps on my phone ☻
[19:45] <sergiusens> popey, look at the summit session above ;-)
[19:45] <sergiusens> in theory, it should be through the store
[19:46] <popey> "in theory"
[19:46] <Ursinha> sergiusens, right, I'm discussing that in the mailing list so we can have a clear process for everyone... and that's not clear
[19:46] <sergiusens> "hard" to report a bug is intended
[19:46] <Ursinha> it wasn't clear even in the Avengers page, and the fact all the links pointed to upstream projects showed that
[19:47] <popey> well
[19:47] <Ursinha> I still need to file bugs today, should I file them for ubuntu packages or upstream projects
[19:47] <sergiusens> So casual users provide feedback in review
[19:47] <sergiusens> Technical users could be pointed to filing a bug
[19:47] <sergiusens> -- define url / intergate with my-apps and ubuntu-bug
[19:47] <popey> the avengers page was created for a small set of people
[19:47] <popey> it wasn't actually intended for the entire community to follow
[19:47] <Ursinha> popey, my point is it wasn't clear even among us what was the process :)
[19:47] <popey> sure
[19:47] <Ursinha> I filed a bug and didrocks missed it
[19:47] <popey> and that should be fixed
[19:47] <Ursinha> hence the thread
[19:48] <Ursinha> sergiusens, what do you recommend then?
[19:50] <sergiusens> Ursinha, I recommend stop doing vUDS as we don't follow it ;-)
[19:50] <sergiusens> :-)
[19:50] <Ursinha> sergiusens, hehe :)
[19:51] <Ursinha> sergiusens, I mean it, we need a process for now at least
[19:51] <popey> well
[19:51] <popey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1308-quality-reporting-bugs
[19:51] <sergiusens> Ursinha, well click packages really does need the scope stuff to be able to report them
[19:51] <popey> thats a fail at least in part because there's nobody assigned to those items
[19:51] <Ursinha> sergiusens, so I only need to know if I should file bugs against the upstream projects or the package :)
[19:51] <sergiusens> Ursinha, not all clicks are built on ubuntu and that is our only interaction point
[19:52] <sergiusens> Ursinha, that or use the upstream bugs for the ones we do provide
[19:52] <Ursinha> sergiusens, I see, but at least the upstream projects are on launchpad, right?
[19:52] <rsalveti> well, guess there's a large problem as well with click packages
[19:52] <rsalveti> as we move more stuff into click, we need an easy way to report bugs against them
[19:52] <sergiusens> Ursinha, yes, currently all the clicks we preinstall are on launchpad
[19:52] <sergiusens> Ursinha, but that doesn't necessarily need to be true
[19:52] <Ursinha> sergiusens, I see there are packages there (even if not in Ubuntu itself) because they're in PPAs
[19:53] <sergiusens> Ursinha, they will never be in ubuntu
[19:53] <sergiusens> never as in, don't expect it ;-)
[19:53] <sergiusens> not as in the real sense of the word
[19:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti, that's what the two vUDS sessions back in August were for
[19:53] <Ursinha> sergiusens, I mean, they're in launchpad as ubuntu packages because they're in PPAs... they're not published in the distro itself
[19:54] <Ursinha> sergiusens, like this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-clock-app
[19:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, good that we discussed that at least, but I didn't follow the outcome
[19:55] <popey> Ursinha: no, those core apps aren't in distro, so http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app
[19:55] <popey> IMO
[19:55] <Ursinha> okay, my intention is to discuss what we all think it's best :)
[19:55] <popey> but distro prefer distro reported bugs for those things on the phone
[19:56] <Ursinha> I'm pointing what I saw
[19:56] <Ursinha> ubuntu-clock-app is on the phone
[19:56] <TechieElf> Any devs? Fstab help needed.
[19:56] <sergiusens> Ursinha, I didn't know it being in PPA now worked for things like this
[19:56] <popey> we (core apps team) managed bugs upstream
[19:56] <Ursinha> sergiusens, I think it needs to be there because it's published as part of an archive, even not being the official distro one
[19:56] <popey> if distro prefer we move bug reporting to distro I'm fine with that
[19:57] <popey> we just need it documented and consistent
[19:57] <Ursinha> popey, do you mind replying the bug reporting thread, please? input like this is valuable
[19:57] <Ursinha> but you need to share it :)
[19:57] <popey> Not sure what value I can provide above what's already been said
[19:58] <Ursinha> popey, I didn't know anything about the click apps part, and noone mentioned that in the thread yet
[19:58] <rsalveti> well, problem is that there's no ubuntu package :-)
[19:58] <rsalveti> so we can't report them at the distro, unless we change launchpad or upload a source package
[19:59] <rsalveti> so tracking this using the upstream project is the only way atm
[19:59] <Ursinha> rsalveti, I believe the package exists but isn't published in ubuntu, but on ppas
[19:59] <popey> indeed
[19:59] <rsalveti> Ursinha: there's no package
[19:59] <popey> and for click packages it makes more sense to have everything upstream
[19:59] <rsalveti> we had packages before, but click is different, not a deb
[19:59] <popey> both for "our" click packages and "3rd party" ones, as they may host anywhere which may not be launchpad
[19:59] <rsalveti> before == for the core apps
[19:59] <sergiusens> popey, rsalveti I'm also proposing to strip the debian dir from those apps
[19:59] <Ursinha> popey, that's the valuable input I'm talking about :)
[20:00] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, makes sense
[20:00] <sergiusens> popey, rsalveti just so building the clicks are less of a hack
[20:00] <sergiusens> popey, rsalveti but I can't yet since CI would break :-/
[20:00] <rsalveti> sergiusens: oh, right
[20:01] <popey> Ursinha: my point being the people who can act on these things have clearly discussed this a lot already..?
[20:01] <popey> at sprints / UDSs etc
[20:01] <popey> it "just" needs acting on
[20:02] <Ursinha> popey, yes, it's not clear, it just needs to be said
[20:02] <Ursinha> but that's okay, I can go there and do that myself
[20:02] <popey> I'll reply.
[20:02] <sergiusens> I already put the two links I mentioned here
[20:02] <Ursinha> sergiusens, in your PPA related reply?
[20:03] <sergiusens> Ursinha, nope, a different reply :-)
[20:03] <Ursinha> ah :)
[20:03]  * Ursinha looks again
[20:03] <Ursinha> we only need to agree on how to report bugs on click packages while we don't have the store feature to do so
[20:04] <rsalveti> right, for the ones we care we should just use the upstream project
[20:04] <popey> there are only 13 of those such packages though
[20:04] <rsalveti> as that would be the only way anyway
[20:04] <popey> and hundreds of non-click packages which we probably have way more important bugs in
[20:05] <Ursinha> bug importance is relative :)
[20:06] <Ursinha> for all other bugs that have packages in ubuntu you find bugs here: http://people.canonical.com/~ursula/seeded-touch-packages-bugs.html
[20:06] <popey> not saying "more important" saying we have more of the important bugs
[20:06] <popey> i.e. way more bugs in non-click apps than bugs in click apps
[20:07] <Ursinha> popey, not sure what your point is
[20:07] <popey> that we could end up spending a long time discussing what seems to be trivially easy to fix..
[20:07] <popey> non-click apps -> bugs reported in distro
[20:07] <popey> click apps -> bugs go upstream
[20:07] <popey> ?
[20:08] <Ursinha> popey, okay, we only didn't end the conversation because sergiusens said bugs on click packages weren't supposed to be reported at all in lp
[20:08] <popey> sure, but that infrastructure doesn't exist yet, right?
[20:09] <popey> so, currently non-click -> distro, click -> upstream (which may be launchpad or not) ☻
[20:09] <Ursinha> popey, okay
[20:09]  * popey gets lasagne out of the oven, back in a bit
[20:11] <sergiusens> Ursinha, fwiw, I agree with popey on the temp solution
[20:15] <Ursinha> sergiusens, I sent something in the thread to persist this discussion somehow :)
[20:15] <sergiusens> sounds good to me
[20:32] <ahoneybun> I'm getting a error flashing my grouper
[20:33] <ahoneybun> ERROR:phablet-flash:Checksum does not match after download
[20:38] <pmcgowan> mhall119, why do most of the core apps not do rotation by default?
[20:41] <mhall119> pmcgowan: probably because automaticOrientation still defaults to False
[20:41] <mhall119> and our designs were only for portrait
[20:42] <mhall119> pmcgowan: popey: it's definitely something we should consider enabling for them all in the 14.04 convergence push
[20:42] <ahoneybun> hey mhall119 how is the reboot of FL Loco going?
[20:42] <mhall119> ahoneybun: we've had some responsed on the ML, we need to setup an IRC meeting or something to make actual plans
[20:42] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:42] <taiebot> hi guys do you know if any work is done on improving the startup time of the apps. I am finding it slow... I think most apps starts in between 5 and 10 sec after click on their icons?
[20:42] <pmcgowan> mhall119, you probably discussed via blueprint also enabling main stage
[20:42] <mhall119> ahoneybun: are you sunshine-stater?
[20:43] <pmcgowan> taiebot, yes, its being looked into, it regressed at some point
[20:43] <mhall119> pmcgowan: yeah, many of them will want to support both, so we'll need to have shell-level support for that
[20:43] <ahoneybun> mhall119, yea I wrote on the ML about meetings
[20:44] <mhall119> ahoneybun: but you're not in #ubuntu-us-fl?
[20:44] <ahoneybun> don't hang around in there yet
[20:45] <ahoneybun> any help with this error message ERROR:phablet-flash:Checksum does not match after download
[20:46] <mhall119> hmmm, do we have phablet-flash download file conflicts again?
[20:46] <mhall119> or...still
[20:47] <mhall119> ahoneybun: last time I saw that I was flashing more than one device, and the download file destination name was the same for both, but used different source files
[20:47] <ahoneybun> only one device for me
[20:47] <mhall119> hmm...
[20:48] <mhall119> maybe a bad download then?  See where it was downloading to, and delete those files and try again
[20:48] <ahoneybun> I removed the phablet dir in Downloads dir and redownloading
[20:48] <mhall119> ok
[20:48] <ahoneybun> I want to see the progress
[20:49] <sergiusens> ahoneybun, delete the file and re download
[20:49] <sergiusens> ahoneybun, or manually verify the checksum beforehand if you want
[20:49] <sergiusens> mhall119, in theory, same target downloads are file mutexed
[20:50] <taiebot> Anyone working on an mpd client for ubuntu touch?
[20:51] <mhall119> mpd?
[20:51] <taiebot> music player daemon
[20:51] <mhall119> ah, jhodapp_ might be, or tvoss_
[20:51] <mhall119> one of them at least should know who is
[20:52] <taiebot> http://www.musicpd.org/ very good to install on a raspberry pi to have a nice music server and being able to control it from your phone.
[20:54] <mhall119> oh, you may be talking about something completely different then
[20:58] <jhodapp_> taiebot, mhall119: I'll be working on that
[20:58] <jhodapp_> taiebot, oh nevermind, that's different than what I was thinking
[20:59] <taiebot> Yeah something like this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36068
[20:59] <taiebot> I do not have the skills to port something like this.
[21:00] <jhodapp_> taiebot, maybe you want to post to the mailing list and see if there's someone interested in doing a port?
[21:01] <taiebot> Is there a mailing list for apps or on the ubuntu touch mailing list?
[21:01] <mhall119> or post to the Google+ app developer community: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/111350780270925540549
[21:02] <jhodapp_> taiebot, there is a Ubuntu Touch mailing list, but mhall119 has a good idea there too
[21:03] <jhodapp_> taiebot, list for apps is what I meant
[21:03] <taiebot> Thanks will contact the developper first and ask him if he will port his app to ubuntu touch ^^
[21:03] <jhodapp_> cool
[21:04] <ahoneybun> mhall119, working now
[21:05] <ahoneybun> kinda lol
[21:10] <Barney_> Hi, I'm not access to direct online Internet to download and install in same time. Is there any Offline downlaod link?
[21:13] <ahoneybun> how long does this take Pushing /home/aaron/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/pool/ubuntu-b353d65b0369a5203757726d5c70b1ff3e601f05605c38fc55f92c584f19f6a1.tar.xz
[21:13] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:13] <ahoneybun> nvm
[21:14] <Galaxy-Music-s60> Hi
[21:14] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I don't have the ML email on Ubuntu
[21:14] <ahoneybun> hey Galaxy-Music-s60
[21:18] <sergiusens> taiebot, jhodapp_ or here: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/applications-youd-like-to-be-ported-to-ubuntu-touch/1205
[21:19] <jhodapp_> sergiusens, awesome, thanks
[21:21] <ahoneybun> wow nice
[21:21] <ahoneybun> but big bug
[21:23] <sergiusens> ahoneybun, on manta, like 1 minute, on maguro 5 and on grouper more than I can bare
[21:24] <rsalveti> haha
[21:34] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you don't have which ML email?
[21:34] <randomcpp> should I add a padding in the bottom when the keyboard is showed, right?
[21:35] <randomcpp> how many units.gu?
[21:37] <dragonkeeper> anyone help me with a couple of things before i build my port of Ubuntu touch ?
[21:39] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I got it nvm
[21:52] <dragonkeeper> i have a problem with fstab in the source code
[22:10] <nhaines> Let's say that I got the following feedback: "desktop_Exec_webbrowser_target_exists (nintendo-miiverse)": "Exec line does not end with parseable URL"
[22:10] <nhaines> And I suspected that this referred to the following line: 'Exec=webbrowser-app --webapp http://miiverse.nintendo.com/ --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://miiverse.nintendo.com/*'
[22:10] <nhaines> What am I missing?
[22:11] <cwayne_> nhaines, http://miiverse.nintendo.com/ should be at the end instead of after --webapp
[22:12] <nhaines> cwayne_: aha!  I wondered about that, but it seemed too simple.
[22:12] <nhaines> Thanks so much.  :)
[22:13] <dragonkeeper> within my android source my fstab is "void.fstab" which has lines that look like :dev_mount sdcard /storage/sdcard1 auto /device..... ubuntu port guide for fstab asks to find a filename like "fstab.jfltexx" and have lines that look like:/dev/block/platform/omap/omap_hsmmc.1/by-name/EFS /efs ext4 nosuid,nodev,barrier=1   .  what do i do here ?   this is my main obstacle before i get a build for
[22:13] <dragonkeeper>  this port
[22:14] <nerochiaro> thomi_: hi Thomi, do you know when autopilot 1.4 will be released to the PPA ?
[22:14] <thomi_> nerochiaro: otp, one sec
[22:15] <nerochiaro> thomi_: no rush
[22:19]  * dragonkeeper will just sit in the corner getting ignored
[22:20] <cwayne_> dragonkeeper, i'd help if i had any idea..
[22:21] <dragonkeeper> yup its frustrating, its like my last step before trying to boot it and then attempting things like audio and apparmor
[22:27] <popey> hey, happy birthday robru
[22:33] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, where are your sources?
[22:34] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, and remind me where the wiki section for that was
[22:34] <dragonkeeper> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Enabling_a_new_device
[22:34] <dragonkeeper> pulled everything down using that made all changes that arent really optional
[22:35] <dragonkeeper> so ive left out brightness apparmor and audio  so that leaves fstab to be corrected (if its wrong)
[22:36] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, where's your original device tree?
[22:36] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, or what device is this?
[22:37] <dragonkeeper> samsung galaxy s4 i9505 jfltexx ,  all sources i have pulled  ~/Ubuntu-Touch/devices/samsung/jfltexx
[22:53] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, can you pastebin your vold? my repo sync is taking too long
[22:54] <dragonkeeper> ok sergiusens
[22:54] <TechieElf> Can someone check my fstab.qcom? http://pastebin.com/jeksq51j it is causing a bootloop
[22:56] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, http://pastebin.com/rJfac5Sd
[22:56] <TechieElf> dragonkeeper: Are you having a problem with the fstab section of the Porting Guide?
[22:57] <dragonkeeper> yes , a little confused
[22:57] <TechieElf> same here, my fstab is causing a boot loop: http://pastebin.com/jeksq51j
[22:58] <dragonkeeper> what about the recovery part of yours?
[22:58] <sergiusens> TechieElf, wild guess, try removing the check
[22:59] <TechieElf> sergiusens: all of them? also someone else said that context=u:object_r:radio_efs_file:s0 should be removed
[23:02] <sergiusens> TechieElf, yes, all
[23:03] <TechieElf> sergiusens: What are your thoughts on the "context=u:object_r:radio_efs_file:s0"?
[23:03] <sergiusens> TechieElf, although I don't suspect this is the reason you have a reboot loop
[23:03] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, the 1st link was the one in the source this link is the fstab.qcom already on the device in /  http://pastebin.com/JZvcx4jp   (cm10.1)
[23:03] <sergiusens> TechieElf, I have no idea
[23:04] <dragonkeeper> all have different names as well :S  lol
[23:04] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, device/samsung/jf-common/rootdir/etc/fstab.qcom
[23:04] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, that's probably what you want
[23:04] <TechieElf> sergiusens: According to the last_kmsg (pastebin.com/3GzBtMRi), it is the cause
[23:05] <TechieElf> http://pastebin.com/3GzBtMRi
[23:06] <sergiusens> TechieElf, yeah, but that's on the ubuntu side; not android
[23:06] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, http://pastebin.com/GWJpwrS2 thats the fstab.qcom in source
[23:06] <sergiusens> TechieElf, so you would want to look at the ramdisk/init script
[23:07] <TechieElf> Where's that located?
[23:07] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, that's what I thought I just told you (?)
[23:07] <dragonkeeper> yes i was just wondering if that should be left as is or edited , sergiusens
[23:08] <dragonkeeper> such as what about sdcard
[23:08] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, whe I said "that's what you want" I meant that's what you want to follow
[23:08] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, sdcard doesn't matter at all; it's virtual
[23:08] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, or does the device have a real one?
[23:08] <dragonkeeper> it has a real one
[23:09] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, in any case you don't need it for the first boot
[23:09] <dragonkeeper> ok so leave as is ?
[23:09] <dragonkeeper> or am i adding data cache ect.
[23:11] <sergiusens> TechieElf, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Debugging
[23:12] <TechieElf> sergiusens: I'm looking at that currently, I just need to find the file in which to edit
[23:14] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, comparing http://pastebin.com/GWJpwrS2  to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Enabling_a_new_device  the parition blocks are the same with different mount points  .system /data /cache /firmware ect ..
[23:15] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, I don't follow
[23:16] <robru> popey, thanks
[23:19] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, http://pastebin.com/TW1KSSUj
[23:20] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, no
[23:20] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, can't you just change the nosuid to suid for /data?
[23:20] <sergiusens> and nodev to dev
[23:21] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, this is probably irrelevant in a flipped image
[23:21]  * sergiusens hasn't done any porting post flip
[23:21] <TechieElf> sergiusens: The guide only says to remove nosuid, should I add suid and change nodev to dev?
[23:21] <sergiusens> TechieElf, just remove then
[23:21] <dragonkeeper> well you would want dev to debug it right ?
[23:23] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, TechieElf yeah, for flipped, the fstab stuff is irrelevant
[23:24] <TechieElf> sergiusens: I don't think it is.. it's in porting guide 2.0
[23:24] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, ok so its fine as is then with nosuid and nodev to dev.  just build it  to test ?
[23:25] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, yeah, that was when we booted android first and then went into ubuntu which lived in the data partition
[23:25] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, now we boot into ubuntu and it's ubuntu's fstab we follow
[23:25] <sergiusens> the section from the wiki has been removed
[23:25] <TechieElf> sergiusens: Why do I feel like my port is still unflipped?
[23:26] <TechieElf> Which preinstalled image should I be flashing with cm-10.1-20131127-unofficial ?
[23:27] <dragonkeeper> ok its not relavent to get the device port built to run but port guide says device/[manufacturer]/[codename]/init.[codename].rc.  to config brightness perms  but i dont have that file  sergiusens
[23:27] <TechieElf> dragonkeeper: I didn't either. Check device/samsung/jf-common/root-dir/etc/init.target.rc
[23:28] <TechieElf> that worked for me (mine was /device/msm8960-common/root-dir/etc/init.target.rc)
[23:29] <TechieElf> sergiusens: Can you help with UCM?
[23:29] <dragonkeeper> ah found it thanks
[23:30] <TechieElf> no problem
[23:31] <dragonkeeper> changes suggested are already there o.O
[23:31] <TechieElf> even the chmod 0666 /sys/class/backlight/panel/brightness?
[23:32] <dragonkeeper> after build flash ubuntu image oon top .    i.e  flash modified android then flash prebuilt-ubuntu-arm*.zip  ?
[23:32] <dragonkeeper> yes TechieElf
[23:33] <TechieElf> dragonkeeper: I've been flashing saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip but I think I should be flashing trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip . What do you think sergiusens?
[23:34] <dragonkeeper> i suppose whats newest
[23:36] <sergiusens> TechieElf, you want trusty
[23:36] <sergiusens> TechieElf, I cannot help with ucm
[23:36] <TechieElf> sergiusens: Ah. That could be part of the problem. Also, where is the ramdisk/initrd?
[23:36] <TechieElf> Like, the file to edit
[23:37] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, if your device builds upon common grounds (like maguro using the tuna base), codename will be different
[23:38] <dragonkeeper> seems to use jfltexx but links to jf-common for rest
[23:38] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, it's probably somewhere inside the same tree that the fstab was in
[23:39] <TechieElf> sergiusens: /home/techieelf/phablet-xt907/kernel/motorola/msm8960-common/init/initramfs.c ?
[23:40] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, if ive run brunch and got the /out dir   the guide says adb push out/target/product/<codename>/*.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip ,  but i dont have a .zip there ,  will it zip the contents up and send it ?
[23:40] <TechieElf> dragonkeeper: no
[23:40] <TechieElf> Was brunch successful?
[23:42] <dragonkeeper> erm unsure, i guess no lol
[23:43] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, your build failed
[23:43] <dragonkeeper> make: *** No rule to make target `/root/Ubuntu-Touch/out/target/common/obj/APPS/framework-res_intermediates/src/R.stamp', needed by `/root/Ubuntu-Touch/out/target/common/obj/APPS/GalaxyS3Settings_intermediates/src/R.stamp'.  Stop.
[23:43] <dragonkeeper>   er o.O
[23:43] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, builds generally fail since the bits you pulled in would want to build android specific things
[23:43] <sergiusens> dragonkeeper, hunt them down and fix them in the makefiles
[23:43] <sergiusens> you generally just need to remove it from the make targets
[23:44] <TechieElf> Yeah, I've had that. For example, NFC
[23:44] <dragonkeeper> i see ,
[23:50] <nerochiaro> thomi_: news ?
[23:51] <thomi_> nerochiaro: ah, sorry - I forgot. thanks for reminding me
[23:51] <thomi_> nerochiaro: so your best bet today is to add ppa:autopilot/experimental.
[23:51] <thomi_> nerochiaro: but, as it says on the tin, it's experimental for any release other than trusty
[23:51] <thomi_> nerochiaro: I plan on creating dedicated PPA for 1.4 in saucy, but that might wait a few days
[23:51] <thomi_> nerochiaro: otherwise, it's very easy to build from source :)
[23:52] <thomi_> nerochiaro: also, if you're doing things with autopilot you may want to join #ubuntu-autopilot
[23:52] <nerochiaro> thomi_: but the plan is for it to eventually go into the main archive, right ?
[23:53] <nerochiaro> thomi_: i'll join that channel, thanks
[23:53] <thomi_> nerochiaro: 1.4 is in trusty today
[23:53] <thomi_> nerochiaro: 1.4 is not planned to be released for anything other than trusty
[23:54] <nerochiaro> thomi_: guess i will have to find a way to upgrade then
[23:54] <thomi_> yeah :)
[23:57] <dragonkeeper> sergiusens, http://pastebin.com/RevfmK09


[02:39] <ScottL> TheMuso, that's very true, and pretty damn sad as well :(
[02:52] <TheMuso> yep
[17:56] <falktx> LOL!
[17:56] <falktx> http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/destination/southafricafromatoz/letter=U/index.html
[17:56] <falktx> check the ubuntu