[00:36] <IdleOne> Evening
[00:46] <knome> sounds like an interesting conversation there...
[00:50] <funkyHat> heh
[08:19] <jussi> lol
[08:19] <jussi> !root | h00k
[08:19] <jussi> but Im sure you figured that already
[08:24] <popey> WikkidByDesign is spamming in pm
[08:41] <jussi> !staff | ^^
[08:52] <bazhang> no response via PM with WikkidbyDesign
[09:31] <Gary> and it's not spamming me after joining all of it's channels
[09:31] <bazhang> right, I tried to PM, then /cycle and nothing
[09:32] <Gary> I do see that it asked a human type question in #ubuntu tho
[09:43] <bazhang> Mteck is an Ubuntu member?
[09:45] <jussi> is/was - who knows...
[09:45] <bazhang> okay
[09:46] <jussi> he came out pretty publically and said he was turfing it, and everything, then something happened. its a strange situation
[12:22] <bazhang> oCean_, hi
[12:22] <oCean_> hey
[12:22] <oCean_> Please see use wajiema in #ubuntu, I repeatedly pointed out channel's Coc and Gu
[12:22] <oCean_> idelines, he clearly does not want to adhere by
[12:23] <bazhang> okay looking, thanks
[12:23] <oCean_> he might be a little frustrated..
[12:23] <oCean_> bye
[15:19] <Kuifje111> hello all.
[15:19] <Kuifje111> is it possible to get yourself removed from the logs on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/?
[15:21] <nhandler> Kuifje111: Only the canonical sysadmins would be able to do that. You can try sending an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but also keep in mind that there are other bots producing public logs of some of our channels.
[15:21] <Kuifje111> ok, thanks.
[15:40] <IdleOne> Kuifje111: If there is nothing else. Please part this channel as there is a no idling rule here. Thanks
[15:41] <Kuifje111> ok.
[18:26] <topyli> @login
[18:26] <topyli> @btlogin
[18:29] <funkyHat> British Telecom Login
[21:51] <Flannel> IdleOne: That channel doesn't exist
[21:52] <IdleOne> does too
[21:52] <IdleOne> maybe not official
[21:53] <Flannel> IdleOne: We prefer not to divvy up support channels like that
[21:54] <IdleOne> Flannel: crimsun hangs out there and helps people out now and then with weird sound issues
[21:54] <Flannel> Does ALIS only return registered channels?
[21:54] <IdleOne> but I understand your point
[21:55] <ikonia> that channel shouldn't exist as an official channel
[21:55] <ikonia> the council should be aware of that
[21:58] <IdleOne> I'll refrain from giving that channel to people until a decision is made about it
[21:58] <Flannel> ikonia: I would think before running off to that, we should try just talking to people in there first
[21:58] <Flannel> IdleOne: There's no decision to be made
[21:58] <ikonia> Flannel: I think the council should talk to them about it - not us
[22:00] <Flannel> ikonia: IRC ops are just as qualified to resolve issues.  The IRC council only resolves escalations, not does-everything-that-irc-people-do
[22:01] <Flannel> ikonia: IRC council is made up of IRC operators, they aren't special.
[22:02] <ikonia> go for it Flannel
[22:26] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu cobalt_ offensive /part message
[23:24] <marienz> um, did you get the right user there?
[23:25] <IdleOne> i didn't
[23:25] <IdleOne> messaged him already
[23:25] <IdleOne> thanks for catching that
[23:25] <marienz> ok, hadn't noticed if you'd noticed or not
[23:26] <IdleOne> when I saw the kline I looked at my ban
[23:26] <marienz> your original target had just moved on from trolling #freenode
[23:26] <IdleOne> tab fail on my part
[23:26] <IdleOne> really?
[23:26] <IdleOne> lol
[23:26] <IdleOne> oh yeah I saw that in #freenode
[23:41] <bazhang> -arabic seems to have been abandoned, for the most part. still has a topic though


[05:11] <inetpro> Good Morning
[05:36] <Kilos> hi Squirm and others
[06:46] <Squirm> hello Kilos
[07:20] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday Cantide
[07:23] <Kilos> hi superfly
[07:23] <superfly> ohi Kilos
[07:24] <Kilos> môre inetpro plustwo
[07:26] <Cantide> hey Kilos and superfly :)
[07:26] <superfly> hi Cantide
[07:50] <maiatoday> hi superfly Kilos
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:51] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:52] <superfly> hiya ThatGraemeGuy
[08:03] <Cantide> greeting frenzy xD
[08:07] <magespawn> good morning
[08:08] <Kilos> morning magespawn
[08:08] <magespawn> so i suppose all the worms are gone by now
[08:08] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:08] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:08] <Kilos> hehe
[08:08] <psyatw> good morning magespawn
[08:08] <Kilos> that drive tired you out?
[08:09] <magespawn> hi psyatw
[08:09] <magespawn> yup and getting home late
[08:10] <Kilos> ai!
[08:10] <magespawn> well late for me, probably normal time for city type folk
[08:10] <Kilos> hehe
[08:18] <Kilos> you know post office rules. if you post stuff as you did with the e220 will the post office do it that the postage is paid COD kinda magespawn
[08:18] <Kilos> i dunno how the whole COD thing works
[08:24] <magespawn> yes they will do a postage on collection
[08:24] <Kilos> thats cool
[08:25] <magespawn> but as i think only for parcels and not for letters, and of course there are t&c
[08:25] <Kilos> you think i can ask in the lists for peeps to send me scrap drives that way that i can then use here for spares?
[08:26] <Kilos> or is that kinda cheeky
[08:26] <magespawn> i don't see why not, better than having them clutter up the place
[08:27] <Kilos> maybe superfly will give an opinion
[08:29] <magespawn> yup good guy to ask
[08:33] <magespawn> my default power setting for wednesday, if idle for 15 minutes then sleep
[08:34] <Kilos> whew
[08:34] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[08:35] <Kilos> oh my
[08:36] <magespawn> irc flashers
[08:36] <Cantide> lol
[09:19] <Kilos> yo georgl
[09:20] <Kilos> that reminds me the other george aint been here for a while too
[09:20] <Kilos> the lappies okey
[09:54] <magespawn> it happens
[09:54] <magespawn> you know, you get busy and suddenly months have disappered
[09:56] <Kilos> ya i spose so but its weird imo anyway. some come for help like that guy with the pc shop that wanted to know where to buy ubuntu and if you can write the ubuntu exam somewhere
[09:56] <Kilos> he got helped and never came back
[09:56] <Kilos> grrr
[09:57] <magespawn> that feels a bit like a one night stand
[09:57] <Kilos> ya
[10:00] <Kilos> maybe they too clever and dont need help often like me
[10:01] <Kilos> and dont have time to help others
[10:07] <Kilos> magespawn, dont forget you can force sucks to install after it shuts down halfway and says its shut down to protect the pc from damage
[10:08] <Kilos> boot win from the supergrub cd and the install continues
[10:09] <Kilos> then you chkdsk it and it wont use bad blocks
[10:11] <Kilos> ill be back later. wanna swap pcs and see to other install
[10:23] <yolandre_> hi all.
[10:24] <yolandre_> can anyone assist me with an installation issue?
[10:27] <Cantide> hopefully someone smarter than I will be able to assist today :<
[10:27] <magespawn> hi yolandre
[10:27] <Cantide> sorry about last night - i was so busy with something i didn't see the messages until a few hours later
[10:28] <magespawn> hi yolandre_
[10:28] <magespawn> forgot the tail
[10:28] <Cantide> :D
[10:30] <magespawn> tab complete ftw
[10:30] <Cantide> i am slowly but surely making my app :)
[10:30] <Cantide> with a lot of focus on slowly T-Tv
[10:31] <magespawn> there is time
[10:31] <Cantide> yeah... hopefully enough time..
[10:38] <yolandre_> please pardon the delay... i want to use ubuntu 13.04 x64 on my new dell xps 14 alongside windows 8 pro x64. i created a bootable usb flash drive and as many times before proceeded with the normal ubuntu installation process only to find that the installer doesn't recognise any of the existing ntfs partitions.
[10:40] <yolandre_> i ensured that ample space (±350gb) is available as un-partitioned space and also tried with the allocate space as an ntfs formatted partition, but the results remain the same: ubuntu installer reports that the entire 750gb is blank and available for the installation. this obviously will destroy everything on windows 8...
[10:41] <yolandre_> the odd thing: when selecting to test ubuntu from the installation media it results in the desktop being loaded from where all existing ntfs partitions are clearly visable and accessable.
[10:43] <yolandre_> being able to see the other ntfs partitions i thought i will be able to install from the desktop option, but yet again the moment the installer launched the entire drive was reported as being empty and the existing ntfs partitions ignored.
[10:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yolandre_: this guy appears to be your saviour: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2116597
[10:53] <charl> good afternoon
[10:53] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:53]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:55] <magespawn> o/ charl
[10:55] <charl> hi magespawn
[10:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:07] <magespawn> yolandre_: did that help?
[11:11] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:11] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[11:13] <magespawn> check this out http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hosting-storage/84237-free-uncapped-hosting-for-everyone.html
[11:27] <charl> solar panels, nice
[11:28] <charl> how do they do the hosting for free, what is the catch, do they put ads up everywhere?
[11:39] <magespawn> no idea i have not had a look yet
[11:40] <magespawn> the article says they can offer it free because of the savings in electricity
[11:57] <magespawn> you do have to have the domain with them, so they will charge for new registrations
[11:59] <magespawn> it is their pink package, and as far as i can see there is no advertising or such mentioned
[12:18] <charl> the article also says "Nonetheless this savings does allow us give away our entry level hosting package for free."
[12:18] <charl> makes no sense
[12:20] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:20] <Kilos> hi charl howsit
[12:20] <charl> good thanks and you
[12:21] <Kilos> good ty
[12:37] <Kilos> wb snowy
[13:03] <magespawn> charl it might be a good way for them to get customers in through the door and the domain has to be with them so if you ever move the domain you lose the hosting
[13:03] <magespawn> punctuation?
[13:10] <magespawn> Kilos http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hosting-storage/84237-free-uncapped-hosting-for-everyone.html
[13:10] <Kilos> ooooh
[13:10] <Kilos> i go see
[13:10] <magespawn> and here is actual company link https://www.cybersmart.co.za/hosting.cgi
[13:11] <Kilos> what you gonna host there
[13:12] <Kilos> 500m is too smal for anything but mail
[13:12] <Kilos> like to host ibid you need space to install ubuntu first isnt it magespawn ?
[13:13] <magespawn> that is for website hosting, and a relatively small at that
[13:14] <Kilos> that facebook link you gave me seems good but one has to know what you want your site to do first
[13:15] <Kilos> i registered there but  only started setting up
[13:18] <magespawn> well when it is free play around
[13:23] <Kilos> lol
[13:23] <Kilos> i gotta stay away from browser till sis gets to shops
[13:23] <Kilos> hopefully by the weekend
[13:25] <Kilos> did the fly answer to the comment magespawn ??
[13:26] <charl> magespawn: in other words, it's a tarp!
[13:27] <magespawn> not that i saw Kilos
[13:27] <Kilos> ah ty
[13:27] <magespawn> charl yes but not a bad one really, you could play around with that and learn a lot
[13:28] <charl> indeed
[13:58] <Kilos> wb Superhuman
[13:58] <Superhuman> tx Kilos
[14:08] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn hows you??
[14:09] <nlsthzn> I be alive thanks uncle Kilos ... how about you?
[14:10] <Kilos> me be alive to hehe
[14:10] <Kilos> have you started byteofpython yet?
[14:14] <nlsthzn> not yet uncle Kilos ... was still on night shift until today...
[14:14] <Kilos> when youve and mage have looked at it we can plan a class together
[14:18] <nlsthzn> sounds like a plan (but may take some time, these guys killing us with the over time at the moment )
[14:18] <Kilos> np
[14:19] <Kilos> we need a few more peeps that wanna learn too\
[14:24] <Superhuman> Kilos: as in the one from ibiblio?
[14:25] <Kilos> yip that one Superhuman
[14:26] <Superhuman> I might join you guys, but on a VERY informal basis, I don't have loads of time to practice but I should have time to read the book
[14:26] <Kilos> we can have classes on my channel
[14:27] <Kilos> everyone is in the same boat
[14:27] <Kilos> i forget what i learn anyway
[14:27] <Kilos> the hardest part is to get a time that suits everyone
[14:29] <magespawn> that is a good idea kilos
[14:29] <nlsthzn> depends on the format we choose... what could help is if we could get "homework" that tests specific knowledge, then peeps can do it on their own time, and get assitance from the clever peeps here...
[14:29] <Kilos> everyone is welcome
[14:30] <magespawn> we could also have it in the linux studies channel
[14:30] <Kilos> im sure the fly will point us when needed
[14:30] <Kilos> oh ya
[14:30] <Kilos> is anyone still there
[14:31] <Superhuman> Enjoy the evening guys, I'm off
[14:31] <Kilos> you too Superhuman
[14:31] <magespawn> i am still there
[14:31] <Kilos> i see and fly and pro
[14:32] <Kilos> i can even get the unaffiliated bot to be there
[14:33] <Kilos> maybe we can rev the monkey as well
[14:34] <Kilos> im so chuffed thats sorted
[14:37] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, you python pro too?
[14:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can python myself out of a hole usually
[14:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> but not really pro, no
[14:38] <Kilos> lol you can join us then too if you like
[14:38] <Kilos> maybe i night a week
[14:40] <Kilos> 1
[14:57] <Kilos> superfly, is it the swaroop or ibiblio byte of python we must get?
[14:57] <Kilos> or are they the same thing
[15:05] <nlsthzn> the one I downloaded at work was swaroop if memory serves
[15:06] <magespawn> i think they are the same thing, www.ibibilio.org just hosts the book by CH Swaroop
[15:12] <Kilos> ah ty
[15:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> join who what now?
[15:16] <Kilos> we are hoping to start learning byteofpython in a group ThatGraemeGuy
[15:16] <Kilos> will take a while tills guys organized but
[15:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[15:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> i might have a need to start learning some ruby soon if all goes well
[15:17] <Kilos> how soon?
[15:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm hopefully i'll know within a week
[15:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> but only need it around 4 weeks after that
[15:18] <Kilos> ah well let us know
[15:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> i will
[15:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> hold thumbs for me so long ;)
[15:19] <Kilos> will take me a while cause i gotta learn vim again too
[15:19] <Kilos> will do?
[15:35] <magespawn> Kilos you do not have to use vim to write python
[15:36] <Kilos> you gotta use an editor
[15:36] <Kilos> in the boot they go with vim if i remeber correctly
[15:37] <Kilos> book
[15:39] <magespawn> you do have to use an editor, but you use things like gedit or idle, there is also an ide (intergrated development environment) called eric
[15:40] <magespawn> i like idle because you can concentrate on learning how to program and not on how to use vim
[15:40] <Kilos> i saw a couple more in synaptic but forget now
[15:40] <Kilos> also saw something thats supposed to make java look good
[15:41] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[15:41] <Vince-0> Kilos! Whats happening on the farm
[15:41] <Kilos> hehe getting dark now
[15:41] <Kilos> and cold
[15:43] <Vince-0> are all the skape tucked in for the night?
[15:43] <Vince-0> seen some snow recently
[15:43] <Kilos> yessir\
[15:43] <Vince-0> did you see the Sutherland observatory snow pics
[15:43] <Kilos> it dont snow here but the wind blows over the snow this was and we freeze
[15:44] <Kilos> thats the coldest place in za
[15:45] <Vince-0> and I'm in the warmest
[15:45] <Kilos> id vrek there
[15:45] <Kilos> north coast warmer than durbs
[15:45] <Vince-0> February can get pretty sticky
[15:45] <Kilos> i loved durbs
[15:48] <Vince-0> lived here?
[15:48] <Kilos> yeah for 20 years
[15:48] <Cantide> Vince-0, are you in Durbs?
[15:48] <Kilos> or 18 i forget
[15:48] <Vince-0> naas
[15:48] <Vince-0> Cantide: indeed I am
[15:49] <Cantide> oh cool :)
[15:49] <Cantide> where about?
[15:49] <Cantide> ( i feel like we've had this conversation before )
[15:49] <Vince-0> Umhlanga-ish
[15:49] <Vince-0> ya probably, I'm bad with names so nicks are even worse
[15:50] <Cantide> http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-beds-in-wynberg/1-2-of-a-bed-make-me-an-offer-512980267?utm_campaign=Post%2BTo%2BFacebook&utm_medium=Social%2BMedia&utm_source=Facebook
[15:50] <Cantide> hahahha
[15:50] <magespawn> seems to be a thing in here
[15:50] <Cantide> ah, right, umhlanga sounds familiar - i probably asked before :p
[15:50] <Cantide> i'm in Queensburgh :-S ewww
[15:51] <Vince-0> heavy owez there
[15:51] <Vince-0> lols
[15:51] <Cantide> haha, yeah, some of them :p
[15:51] <Cantide> I heard today that a 16-year-old was arrested for selling drugs o_O
[15:51] <Vince-0> yoh, its like that all over
[15:51] <Vince-0> cops are just kak in Durban
[15:52] <Vince-0> are you signed up for SFD at UKZN ?
[15:52] <magespawn> ouch Cantide
[15:52] <Cantide> SFD?
[15:52] <Vince-0> Software Freedom Day
[15:52] <Cantide> oh
[15:52] <Cantide> no, i'm not
[15:53] <Cantide> got details?
[15:53] <Vince-0> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=18
[15:53] <magespawn> Vince-0: did you do anything on the SFD page itself? registered as a team?
[15:53] <Vince-0> ya that's up to the Jo'burg organisers
[15:53] <Vince-0> http://softwarefreedom.co.za/
[15:54] <Vince-0> I'm just an admin to get a venue organised
[15:54] <Vince-0> here's the list from the organisers
[15:54] <Vince-0> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sfd-gp
[15:54] <magespawn> oh right, like a sub-team
[15:54] <Vince-0> I almost thought it would never happen but not it looks like it is
[15:54] <Vince-0> I will raise the point of getting it in the teams list on the official site
[15:54] <magespawn> awesome stuff
[15:55] <Vince-0> it is a bit last minute
[15:55] <Vince-0> the indiegogo campaign was only 6 days
[15:55] <Vince-0> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/richard-stallman-s-air-ticket-to-speak-in-south-africa
[15:55] <Vince-0> very little publicity and communications
[15:56] <Vince-0> but it's getting there
[15:59] <magespawn> home time, later all
[15:59] <Kilos> later
[16:00] <Vince-0> if we had registered a month ago we would have seen some free SFD.org merch to at least give away
[16:01] <Cantide> see ya, magespawn
[16:01] <Cantide> i'm not sure if i'd make that event though :<
[16:01] <Cantide> with my plans to move :-S
[16:01] <Vince-0> kk
[16:02] <Vince-0> tell ur friends
[16:02] <Vince-0> techies are not in abundance when it comes to Durban community
[16:02] <Cantide> yeah :<
[16:06] <Cantide> Vince-0, I posted the link on FB, hopefully some people register :)
[16:06] <Vince-0> thanks!
[16:06] <Vince-0> there's 13 RSVPs so far, including me, but there are lots of students
[16:08] <Cantide> oh, i don't attend UKZN, so i won't be able to tap into them :p
[16:08] <Vince-0> We're talking to some peeps at the compsci depots for UKZN and DUT, got some venues lined up
[16:09] <Cantide> cool :)
[16:09] <Vince-0> also some corporate interest
[16:09] <Vince-0> but time is short
[16:50] <inetpro> good evening
[16:50] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[16:51] <inetpro> sjoe, you guys talk lots today
[16:51] <Kilos> hehe
[16:54] <Cantide> hey inetpro :)
[17:08] <Kilos> wbb
[17:08] <psychicist> ty
[17:10] <inetpro> hi Cantide
[17:10] <Cantide> '-'/
[17:26] <Squirm> hi
[17:28] <Cantide> hello~
[17:28]  * Cantide is busy coding for the App Showdown... still T-T
[17:51] <Vince-0> what app you workin on
[17:59] <Cantide> a map viewing program
[17:59] <Cantide> hold on..
[18:00] <Cantide> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/Screenshot%20from%202013-08-14%2019%3A26%3A37.png
[18:00] <Cantide> that's what i've got at the moment - and i can switch languages on the fly, quite cool :)
[18:00] <Cantide> I just need to work out the gui and where i'm going to put the options
[18:06] <Vince-0> nice
[18:07] <Cantide> i think i'm going to go with 4 tabs...
[18:07] <Cantide> now just to create them >.<
[18:07] <Cantide> might make a Gautrain map when i have time and throw it in there :p
[18:12] <Cantide> hey charl :)
[18:32] <Kilos> Snowy, coooowweeeee
[18:33] <Cantide> :D
[18:34] <Kilos> i wonder if its not a bot
[18:36] <Cantide> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:35] <yolandre> hi all. i have an installation problem and need some advice. anyone available?
 yolandre: this guy appears to be your saviour: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2116597
[20:38] <yolandre> tanks for the pointer superfly, but sadly that won't work - been there and done that.
[20:39] <yolandre> i changed my dell xps dramatically from the factory format, which is why i'm having problems with ubuntu.
[20:40] <yolandre> 1) i changed the hadd from gpt to mbr. 2) smartboot was disabled and cannot be enabled due to mbr hdd. 3) the latter causes uefi to be disabled as well. thus, i'm using legacy boot options, which in turn amazes me that it has this odd problem.
[20:42] <yolandre> i've honestly searched high and low in the process trying and testing possible solutions of which none worked.
[20:47] <inetpro> yolandre: please report it as a bug on Launchpad
[20:48] <inetpro> see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[20:51] <inetpro> or put it as a question on Ask Ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/
[20:52] <inetpro> yolandre: but please stick around here and tell us if you have found a solution
[20:54] <yolandre> will definately do. out of desperation i requested support from cannonical and dell. the moment i have it up and running i'll post.
[23:28] <yolandre> hi all, back again.
[23:29] <yolandre> report back on my installation issue: the problem was caused by gpt which left some traces on my hdd despite being converted to mbr.
[23:33] <yolandre> to fix i used ubuntu liveusb and booted to desktop, then downloaded & installed fixparts on the ubuntu liveusb, then ran command "sudo fixparts /dev/sda", then "w" to write changes, then restarted.
[23:34] <yolandre> windows 8 picked up a problem when rebooting. launched windows 8 auto repair which ran for about an hour, restarted and all done.
[23:35] <yolandre> on booting into windows 8 i restarted and proceeded with the ubuntu installation and the rest is history...
[23:35] <yolandre> a friendly word of advice when converting gpt to mbr: always ensure that all traces of gpt are properly removed!


[16:32] <charlie-tca> Anyone got experience with trackballs? What seems to work best for hands that only work part time?
[16:33] <maco> are you looking for a trackball model?
[16:33] <charlie-tca> model, brand, whatever works well. Tried the logitech trackball marble, the ball is a bit small
[16:33] <charlie-tca> ione mechanical is stiff, with a good size ball in it
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Mouse is hard to use, fingers don't bend well
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Now thinking about the kensington K64325, but they are a bit high priced if they aren't really good!
[16:35] <Cheri703> someone in u-w was talking about a trackball the other day
[16:36] <maco> i think the marble is the only one ive used, sorry
[16:36] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:37] <charlie-tca> appreciate any comments
[16:37]  * Cheri703 is checking scrollback
[16:38] <Cheri703> chalcedony was getting the Logitech Trackball M570 set up for her husband...I believe they got it working?
[16:40] <Cheri703> I have been interested in some of the vertical mice charlie-tca, have you looked at those? I'd think they'd help if there were grip problems (my hands cramp up easily and vertical wrist is more comfortable than horizontal)
[16:41] <charlie-tca> Haven't looked into them.
[16:41] <charlie-tca> Not sure how they would work with weak arms, though
[16:41] <charlie-tca> I will check on them
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Got to have pretty good thumbs for the M570, I think
[16:43] <Cheri703> I just mentioned it since it was a trackball :) I haven't ever used one for more than a few minutes
[16:44] <Cheri703> http://www.evoluent.com/ this is the primary vertical mouse brand out there
[16:49] <Cheri703> huh, interesting, they also have a keyboard with the num pad on the left, so the distance between typing hand and mouse hand is less
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I really do appreciative all suggestions on this. I at least look at all of the stuff.
[16:51] <charlie-tca> I just tried the thumb trackballs already, and they don't work so good for me. I know they are great for a lot of people though.
[17:24] <MrChrisDruif> I started on creating a vertical-mouse the other day...
[17:25] <MrChrisDruif> Still have to tidy it up/finish it :P
[17:53] <maco> Cheri703: annalee has one of those. she says its a lefthanded keyboard
[17:53] <Cheri703> entirely possible