[00:00] <yereth> endafy: budong
[00:00] <egork> endafy, here only engilsh talk, I guess you want to know where the japanese one is?
[00:00] <endafy> right
[00:00] <endafy> my english is bad
[00:00] <yereth> ni shuo zhongwen ma?
[00:00] <egork> join #ubuntu-jp
[00:01] <endafy> so it does exist then? ok thank you
[00:01] <bascule> yereth: try alsamixer
[00:01] <yereth> bascule: but I have my sound levels up
[00:01] <bascule> and unmuted?
[00:01] <bascule> what card?
[00:02] <ibkanat> any tips on where to go to get help syncing Windows Mobile 5 and Kubuntu 8.04 I think that I am mostly there just a bit lost
[00:02] <yereth> bascule: onboard MSI NEO2
[00:02] <bascule> ICH9?
[00:02] <yereth> lemme check
[00:03] <yereth> AC97 compliant?
[00:03] <ibkanat> synce-pls lists the directory on my device.... but what else do I need?
[00:03] <bascule> yereth: not enough :)
[00:03] <yereth> looking it up :)
[00:04] <bascule> lspci
[00:04] <yereth> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[00:05] <bascule> well, mine works, I have the same chipset
[00:05] <bascule> so .. what is different ?
[00:05] <yereth> erm.. what module should be loaded?
[00:05] <yereth> maybe I can try a modprobe?
[00:07] <bascule> hang on
[00:07] <yereth> don't worry about that ;)
[00:08] <bascule> should be snd_hda_intel, but if the mixers run there is a soundcard there
[00:09] <yereth> it's loaded
[00:10] <egork> yereth, I had similar problem with sound, just have istalled all alsa stuff again and it worked.
[00:10] <bascule> and alsamixer in a shell has no mm at the bottom of the sliders labeled master pcm or front
[00:10] <yereth> bascule: no
[00:10] <yereth> egork: hrmm..
[00:10] <yereth> I had this problem with having to reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[00:10] <yereth> which included a bunch of alsa things
[00:10] <rajdhani> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[00:10] <rajdhani> -------------------------------
[00:10] <bascule> that is something in linux that infuriates me, it all appears fine, and yet
[00:10] <yereth> maybe I should reboot?
[00:10] <yereth> yeah
[00:11] <egork> yereth, exactly, also had to install all the ubuntu-desktop stuff again
[00:12] <egork> It worked yesterday
[00:12] <egork> It does not work today
[00:12] <egork> It is Linux.
[00:12] <rajdhani> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[00:12] <rajdhani> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[00:12] <yereth> :(
[00:12] <egork> Haiku :-)
[00:12] <yereth> but I like linux
[00:12] <yereth> eheh
[00:12] <yereth> anything else I can try?
[00:12] <yereth> :/
[00:12] <yereth> I mean, windows vista sucks
[00:12] <yereth> I don't want to reboot into vista
[00:12] <bascule> !ops | rajdhani
[00:13] <egork> why would not you just purge all alsa and install it anew?
[00:13] <yereth> egork: what would be 'all alsa'?
[00:13] <robotgeek> thanks bascule
[00:13] <yereth> apt-get remove alsa* is a bad idea anyway ;)
[00:13] <bascule> robotgeek: welcome
[00:14] <egork> start adept_manager type in alsa, then purge all and then reboot and install alsa, and reboot again.
[00:15] <egork> yereth, you should not loose anything, it can only get better :-)
[00:15] <yereth> do I need alsa-oss?
[00:16] <bascule> somethings want the old /dev things sp it is no harm to have
[00:16] <Boohbah> yes
[00:16] <egork> yereth, what to worry, do you have enough bandwidth, then just install all or reinstall all for that is where you are now.
[00:17] <Boohbah> egork: that would be kind of silly just to fix sound
[00:19] <yereth> brb.. reboot
[00:20] <egork> Boohbah, in my book silly is to spend too much time on this thing.
[00:21] <egork> Anyways, does anybody know where the config files for automount for 8.04 are stored?
[00:21] <bascule>  /etc/fstab
[00:22] <egork> bascule, I believe there must be more, because my external drive is not listed there, but gets mounted.
[00:22] <b0rk3n> help! is an EMERGENCY!!!
[00:22] <yereth> man.. sometimes I hate linux
[00:22] <NickPresta> b0rk3n, we can't help you until you tell us what the problem is
[00:23] <egork> yereth, sometimes it seems like Linux hates me :-(
[00:23] <yereth> still no sound
[00:23] <b0rk3n> NickPresta: the grub is bork
[00:23] <egork> yereth, how are you testing the sound, actually?
[00:24] <yereth> amarok
[00:24] <b0rk3n> initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic.bak
[00:24] <egork> try with mplayer and -ao alsa or -ao oss etc. Amarok may need additional configuration.
[00:25] <b0rk3n> what kernel is Gutsy??
[00:25] <bascule> egork: well those are handled by hald
[00:25] <bascule> externals that is
[00:25] <egork> yereth, mplayer also will show you the error messages, not too helpful though.
[00:25] <b0rk3n> Gutsy ? = initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
[00:26] <yereth> [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[00:26] <yereth> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[00:26] <yereth> with OSS option
[00:26] <yereth> egork: does that tell you anything?
[00:27] <bascule> sudo lsof /dev/dsp
[00:28] <b0rk3n> GUTSY ? = initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic !!!
[00:28] <bascule> that is the kernel, the initrd is different
[00:28] <yereth> bascule: now I have playback, but still no sound :/
[00:28] <egork> yereth, may be your oss-alsa is not set up. And what does -ao alsa says?
[00:29] <b0rk3n> bascule: but is the version OK??
[00:29] <yereth> egork: works fine, but no sound
[00:29] <bascule> b0rk3n: yes
[00:29] <ibkanat> anyone sync between kubuntu and windows mobile 5?
[00:29] <b0rk3n> bascule  THAAANKSS!!
[00:30] <egork> yereth and this mplayer  -ac hwdts yourfile.mp3 or any mpeg with ac3
[00:30] <yereth> hwdts?
[00:31] <yereth> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[00:32] <bascule> sudo lsof /dev/snd/*
[00:32] <_crash_> HAH!!!
[00:32] <_crash_> VICTORY!!!
[00:32] <yereth> timidity  6405     root    6u   CHR  116,1      11980 /dev/snd/seq
[00:32] <yereth> amarokapp 6855 yajansen   27u   CHR  116,0      12237 /dev/snd/controlC0
[00:32] <yereth> kmix      6869 yajansen   17u   CHR  116,0      12237 /dev/snd/controlC0
[00:32] <yereth> mplayer   7178 yajansen  mem    CHR 116,16      12202 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[00:32] <_crash_> AFTER 5 DAYS, it WORKS!
[00:32] <yereth> mplayer   7178 yajansen   10r   CHR 116,33      11959 /dev/snd/timer
[00:32] <yereth> mplayer   7178 yajansen   11u   CHR 116,16      12202 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[00:32] <bascule> easy yereth
[00:32] <yereth> mplayer   7178 yajansen   12u   CHR  116,0      12237 /dev/snd/controlC0
[00:33] <yereth> sorry for the spam
[00:33] <yereth> too lazy for pastie
[00:33] <bascule> ok, close amarok and mplayer
[00:33] <yereth> ok
[00:33] <yereth> you see a problem?
[00:34] <bascule> hmm, maybe :)
[00:35] <yereth> I hear a problem
[00:35] <yereth> it's called silence / CPU-fan
[00:37] <yereth> does the "alsa reload" list help?
[00:39] <yereth> bascule, egork: strangest thing is, no player reports any problems.. they all play, but I don't hear anything
[00:40] <NickPresta> yereth, at the risk of stating the obvious, make sure all your hardware is plugged in and such.
[00:40] <yereth> NickPresta: when I reboot to vista my sounds works fine
[00:40] <yereth> sound*
[00:40] <egork> yereth, it happens still on my system, when I start mplayer with amarok running on the same time, amarok goes mute forever.
[00:41] <yereth> egork: but mplayer doesn't work either
[00:41] <ttyrminator> hi
[00:41] <ttyrminator> how to install macromedia
[00:41] <NickPresta> !flash | ttyrminator
[00:41] <egork> yereth, I mean it does not surprise me
[00:41] <yereth> hrmm
[00:42] <CPrgmSwR2> Does anyone want a really good laugph?.. watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHCRimwRGLs then watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadxBZWxNrs
[00:42] <yereth> I see something about pavucontrol
[00:42] <egork> how to use the paste-board?
[00:43] <yereth> but when I run it, it says connection refused
[00:43] <bascule> egork: you know where it is?
[00:43] <egork> bascule, no
[00:43] <bascule> !paste
[00:43] <bascule> so hit paste then get the URL
[00:44] <egork> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11543/
[00:44] <egork> yereth, this is a list of alsa-related soft on my installation. I have the same driver Intel, it seems.
[00:45] <egork> bascule, thanks!
[00:45] <bascule> np
[00:46] <yereth> egork: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11544/
[00:47] <o0Chris0o> which sun-java package should I get in adept?
[00:47] <egork> yereth, it occures to me you do not have alsa-plugins
[00:47] <yereth> egork, bascule: maybe it's this pulse audio thing?
[00:47] <bascule> could be
[00:48] <ttyrminator> didn't work!!! flash in Gutsy!!
[00:48] <ttyrminator> WTF
[00:48] <o0Chris0o> !wtf
[00:48] <Corvix> !wtf
[00:48] <o0Chris0o> ...
[00:48] <ttyrminator> I wanna see the sneezing panda in youtube
[00:48] <o0Chris0o> !offtopic
[00:49] <o0Chris0o> which sun-java package should I get in adept manager?
[00:49] <ttyrminator> flash ot??
[00:49] <egork> yereth, I recall seeing something about pulseaudio and alsa. May it be that they are mutually exclusive on some packages?
[00:49] <yereth> dunno
[00:50] <egork> yereth, try purging all pulseaudio and installing all alsa again?
[00:50] <DarthFrog> Hi folks.
[00:51] <DarthFrog> Man, am I ever sorry I tried compiz on Hardy.   I'm getting kind of frustrated here
[00:54] <ibkanat>  how do I fix this? Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
[00:54] <DarthFrog> egork: Been there, done that. Deleted the installed packags, ripped out ~/.config/compiz My mouse still goes crazy when it touches the edge of the screen, any edge. :-(
[00:55] <ibkanat> from the sync-engine
[00:55] <bascule> DarthFrog: kwin --replace
[00:55] <Itaku> im trying to get krfb working but when i try to connect it says The connection closed unexpectedly.
[00:56] <DarthFrog> bascule: Could you elaborate a bit?
[00:56] <Zefir> Type that in konsole.
[00:56] <bascule> well that will disable compiz, this is what you want, yes?
[00:56] <DarthFrog> That's a konsole command?
[00:56] <bascule> yes, or alt+F2
[00:57] <bascule> I use alt+F2
[00:57] <bascule> then save session from main menu
[00:57] <DarthFrog> Nope, still switches desktops when the mouse nears the edge of the screen.
[00:57] <bascule> bye bye compiz :)
[00:57] <bascule> oh that, that is in ...
[00:57] <DarthFrog> Top, bottom makes no difference.
[00:58] <lavena> hiya
[00:58] <AdamRrrrrrr> hey Lavena
[00:58] <lavena> hi adamrrrrr
[00:58] <richard> i entered a line in the boot menu for dual booting my 2 hard drives. On boot up it delays and when I press "ESC" it takes me to a menu to select the OS, but windows is not there, any idea what i missed?
[00:59] <yereth> anyone familiar with pulse audio stuff?
[00:59] <egork> yereth, this is what I have from pulse installed. http://paste.ubuntu.com/11552/ I have no idea about pulseaudio myself.
[01:00] <yereth> ok
[01:01] <ibkanat> any sync masters?
[01:02] <o0Chris0o> which sun-java package should I get in adept manager?
[01:02] <Itaku> im trying to get krfb working but when i try to connect it says The connection closed unexpectedly. how do i fix it????????????????????????????????????
[01:03] <CrashMaster> Itaku: Did it really require that many question marks?
[01:03] <bascule> DarthFrog: I can't find it ... :|
[01:05] <DarthFrog> bascule: Neither can I.  This switching of desktops with associated random re-positioning of the mouse pointer is driving me nuts.  Mind you, it's a pretty short drive at the best of time.
[01:05] <BluesKaj> o0Chris0o, sun-java-common and sun-java6
[01:06] <bascule> DarthFrog: is it just standard kde now, no swish movement, compiz is defintely off?
[01:06] <ibkanat> where might I find help syncing windows mobile5 with Kubuntu?
[01:06] <DarthFrog> bascule: Uninstalled.
[01:07] <Itaku> CrashMaster: yes
[01:08] <o0Chris0o> ty BluesKaj
[01:08] <yereth> egork: do you have an asound.conf?
[01:08] <Itaku> im trying to get krfb working but when i try to connect it says The connection closed unexpectedly. how do i fix it???
[01:09] <bascule> DarthFrog: 3 lines coming
[01:09] <bascule>  1. right click the titlebar and select configure window behaviour
[01:09] <bascule>  2. Select advanced on the right
[01:09] <bascule>  3. Disable active desktop borders
[01:10] <egork> yereth, no
[01:10] <DarthFrog> bascule: I love you!!! Many thanks. If you're ever in Vancouver, British Columbia I will buy you many beers! :-)
[01:11] <ibkanat> Itaku sorry I dont know the answer
[01:11] <egork> yerth, but I do have asoundconf
[01:11] <richard> can anyone help with dual booting?
[01:11] <richard> xp & Kubuntu
[01:11] <bascule> DarthFrog: welcome sir :)
[01:11] <ibkanat> still trying to get help for sync ing kubuntu
[01:11] <DarthFrog> richard: You do not have a stanza for Windows in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:11] <yereth> egork: but that doesn't really seem to do anything for me
[01:12] <richard> yes
[01:12] <egork> yereth, man asoundconf
[01:13] <richard> on boot up if I press "esc" it goes to a menu, but I do not see windows as an option
[01:13] <DarthFrog> richard: Do you have a Windows entry in menu.lst?
[01:13] <richard> it shows kubuntu and kubuntu (recovery)
[01:13] <CrashMaster> ergb
[01:13] <CrashMaster> that could be bad
[01:14] <DarthFrog> Then put the required stanza in.
[01:14] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: Grub should have picked it up on install
[01:14] <CrashMaster> its possible he nuked his partitions when he isntalled
[01:14] <DarthFrog> Yes, grub should have but obviously didn't.
[01:14] <richard> This is what I entered :title Start Windows map (hd1) (hd0) map (hd0) (hd1) rootnoverify (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1
[01:14] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: That would be bad.
[01:15] <CrashMaster> 19:13] <CrashMaster> ergb
[01:15] <CrashMaster> [19:13] <CrashMaster> that could be bad
[01:15] <richard> as per instructions on a web site
[01:15] <CrashMaster> um
[01:15] <CrashMaster> richard
[01:16] <derek> Hey, does anyone know how to get rid of teh little indent dots in kate
[01:16] <richard> yes
[01:16] <CrashMaster> hang on im looking up the command
[01:16] <richard> thanks crashmaster
[01:17] <egork> yereth, not that I meant the asoundconf could definitely help you.
[01:17] <BluesKaj> richard, paste your  /boot/grub/menu.lst in pastebin ,  http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[01:17] <richard> i have the hard drive with Kubuntu set as master, and XP pins set for slave
[01:17] <DarthFrog> richard: Why are you doing the drive re-mapping? What partition is Windows installed upon.
[01:18] <CrashMaster> richard: the two are on seperate disks?
[01:18] <CrashMaster> seperate physical disks
[01:18] <richard> i have two seperate hard drives
[01:19] <BluesKaj> now , he tells us
[01:19] <DarthFrog> richard: it sounds as if your "root (hd1,0)" statement is wrong. After remapping, I should think it would be "root (hd0,0)"
[01:19] <o0Chris0o> how do I change konversations time format to 12 hour and am/pm?
[01:20] <richard> i will try to make that change
[01:20] <richard> thank you for the help
[01:22] <BluesKaj> o0Chris0o, there's no AM/PM option
[01:22] <o0Chris0o> hmm thats different
[01:23] <richard> CrashMaster, I got the line from : http://www.unixtools.com/dual-boot.html
[01:23] <bascule> mv bascule /dev/bed
[01:23] <CrashMaster> sorry richard. I got high and lost track of things. what were you trying to do?
[01:23] <richard> lucky you
[01:24] <richard> I guess I will try changing the line like you indicated ans see if that works
[01:24] <CrashMaster> ok wow
[01:25] <richard> thanks CrashMaster
[01:25] <CrashMaster> richard, if you were following those directions, and you ended up with GRUB installed, you are way off.
[01:25] <CrashMaster> That article was describing a way to make the WINDOWS boot loader boot into a linux partition, not the other way around
[01:25] <CrashMaster> !dualboot
[01:25] <richard> I am very new to Kubuntu
[01:26] <richard> I only started this week, need a change from xp
[01:26] <CrashMaster> not a problem.
[01:26] <CrashMaster> What you did was delete the windows boot loader. Not a huge deal, as you dont really need it if you're gonna dual boot with grub
[01:26] <richard> thanks for you patience
[01:27] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Actually, the article discussing using the Windows boot loader is for when Win and Linux are on the same drive.  The last part of the article discusses using grub for separate drives for each OS.
[01:27] <richard> thats the one I followed, at the last part
[01:27] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: its not nice to point out that I dont read things to the end
[01:27] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Sorry, bud.  :-^)
[01:28] <CrashMaster> richard, pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:28] <DarthFrog> richard: You shouldn't have had to do any of that, though.
[01:28] <richard> sorry, what do you mean pastebin?
[01:28] <CrashMaster> !pastebin
[01:29] <CrashMaster> copy all text from the file into that webpage
[01:29] <CrashMaster> then link the result
[01:29] <domux_> hi all anyone have a vaio
[01:29] <domux_> coz i hav a lil problem with my laptop
[01:30] <CrashMaster> domux_: speak of it, that the magicks might be worked upon them
[01:31] <domux_> magicks who is tha ?
[01:31] <DarthFrog> domux_: It be the dispensed wisdom.
[01:32] <CrashMaster> note: dont use middle-earth speak in the channel
[01:32] <domux_> hmmmmmm
[01:33] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster seems to be a Gandalf-wannabe.  But Gandalf always read to the end of documents.  (grinning, ducking and running).
[01:33] <domux_> it just a problem with my vaio card reader ;-)
[01:33]  * CrashMaster casts *stupify* at DarthFrog
[01:34] <DarthFrog> <--- now sits stupified, gazing blankly at the LCD screen.
[01:35] <domux_> but i'll glad to help someone
[01:35] <CrashMaster> Wait, can Gandalf cast stupify?
[01:35] <CrashMaster> He didnt go to Hogwarts
[01:35] <DarthFrog> Well, given that Gandalf was a servant of the Valor, I rather think he could.
[01:36] <teddy____> can some one help me. I am trying to resize a partition without logging out and going into a live cd
[01:36]  * BluesKaj is tempted to invoke the "offtopic" botscript
[01:36] <teddy____> my /home is on another partition
[01:36] <DarthFrog> teddy____: What file system and is it mounted?
[01:36] <teddy____> its ext3
[01:36] <CrashMaster> teddy____: I dont think you can do non-destructive partitioning without booting from some other device
[01:36] <teddy____> im trying to shrink it so i logged into root...  the home directory shouldnt be in use if im root
[01:37] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Yes you can, if the filesystem is unmounted.
[01:37] <teddy____> but i cant unmount it
[01:37] <teddy____> it says its busy
[01:37] <CrashMaster> force it
[01:37] <teddy____> i can do that? lol
[01:37] <teddy____> -f ?
[01:37] <DarthFrog> teddy____: edit /etc/fstab and comment out the line for /home and reboot.
[01:37] <CrashMaster> its one of those -switches
[01:38] <teddy____> ill try forcing it first :)
[01:38] <teddy____> rather not reboot just yet
[01:38] <teddy____> what do you know.. it was -f :)
[01:39] <teddy____> it wont let me force it :(
[01:39] <teddy____> ahh well il try fstab
[01:41] <o0Chris0o> what are some other IRC altertantives for kubuntu?
[01:41] <o0Chris0o> besides konversation
[01:41] <o0Chris0o> and irssi
[01:41] <DarthFrog> kopete
[01:41] <BluesKaj> pidgin
[01:41] <o0Chris0o> ehh
[01:42] <o0Chris0o> xchat?
[01:42] <chillaKS> o0Chris0o #gentoo is an alternative
[01:43] <o0Chris0o> ....
[01:43] <o0Chris0o> thats not what I asked
[01:43] <DarthFrog> He's looking for a new IRC client.
[01:43] <o0Chris0o> :)
[01:43] <therion> Hi all, i have installed kde 4 on my kubuntu gutsy, now how i can remove kde 3?
[01:43] <o0Chris0o> I had gentoo
[01:44] <therion> .. A sort of pure kde 4
[01:44]  * CrashMaster fondly remembers the days of console based irc
[01:44] <DarthFrog> therion: I'd try "apt-get remove kde-desktop".  But the, I'd not want to remove KDE3 in the first place.
[01:45] <therion> DarthFrog: ok, isn't dangerous? :-D
[01:45] <DarthFrog> therion: Isn't what dangerous?
[01:47] <therion> DarthFrog: is dangerous remove all kde 3 packages and remain with kde 4 only?
[01:47] <teddy_> just came to say thanks DarthFrog. I edited the fstab. Wish i could have found another way though :)
[01:47] <teddy_> didnt want to reboot
[01:47] <DarthFrog> therion: Well, you'd do without the functionality of the KDE3 packages if they are not provided in KDE4 yet.
[01:47] <Domux> it's better to hav both
[01:48] <DarthFrog> teddy_: Sometimes, there's just no way around it.  Or it's the most convenient way.
[01:48] <CrashMaster> I just keep all my / things on the same partition
[01:48] <teddy_> if i had done that i would have no way of resizing :)
[01:49] <therion> DarthFrog: Thanks for this
[01:49] <DarthFrog> teddy_: Are you shrinking or enlarging the filesystem?
[01:49] <teddy_> shrinking
[01:49] <teddy_> i am going to ghost winxp to the extra space
[01:49] <teddy_> i know... evil ms lol
[01:50] <teddy_> hopefully 5 gig is enough.. im pretty sure it is
[01:50] <DarthFrog> Ah, the evil M$ schtick gets old.    As long as you've allocated enough memory to it.
[01:52] <teddy_> well i dont use vmware anyway. i use virtualbox
[01:53] <BluesKaj> 5Gis cutting it close. With all the xp updates it can amount to over 3G
[01:53] <CrashMaster> oh yeah
[01:53] <hydrogen> ah, okay
[01:53] <CrashMaster> min 15g for XP +  updates + essential software
[01:53] <hydrogen> it was just a bad cache value
[01:53] <teddy_> well i dont plan on using xp much.. i never use windows for anything except games and engineering :)
[01:54] <CrashMaster> games?
[01:54] <CrashMaster> make that 30g
[01:54] <teddy_> lol
[01:54] <DarthFrog> teddy_: Get a second machine and use a KVM. :-)
[01:54] <hydrogen> CrashMaster: nah, I installed qt + kdelibs + amarok on windows xp in a virtual machien on a 10gig partition without too much trouble
[01:54] <teddy_> ill play one game then uninstall when im done
[01:54] <CrashMaster> hydrogen: shhh Im messing with his head. Dont be that guy.
[01:54] <BluesKaj> Wife runs XP on a 6g drive with minimal extra software ..only has 500Mb left
[01:54] <teddy_> well im working with limited recources here :)
[01:54] <hydrogen> ...
[01:55] <Roey> hi
[01:55] <Roey> anyone have problems with wacom tablets?
[01:55] <teddy_> i could have spared 15 gig at most...
[01:55] <DarthFrog> teddy_: Why not put in another hard drive for XP?  Drives are dirt cheap these days.
[01:55] <teddy_> cause im only 16 and dont have a job :P
[01:56] <CrashMaster> teddy_: 10g ought to do it.
[01:56] <DarthFrog> And you could probably pick up a 40 gig drive used for free.  If you're local to me (Burnaby, BC), I'll give you one.
[01:57] <teddy_> lol i had to look that up
[01:57] <teddy_> thats in canada?
[01:57] <DarthFrog> Best country in the world. :-)
[01:57] <teddy_> well im in missouri in the usa
[01:57] <CrashMaster> <-- Mississippi
[01:57] <teddy_> kind of far away dont ya think? :)
[01:58] <DarthFrog> teddy_: You probably don't want to walk.
[01:58] <teddy_> my parents probably wouldnt like me excepting things from people on the internet lol
[01:58] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster:  You are in a rather hot & humid part of the world. :-)
[01:59] <DarthFrog> teddy_: A good principle to follow.
[01:59]  * BluesKaj and wife are thinking of moving to BC within 2 yrs.
[01:59] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: Yeah, but I see the beach from my house. So it all works out.
[01:59] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Just remember that it only rains once a year here.  Starts in October and finishes around May.
[02:00] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Where are you living now?
[02:00] <teddy_> you guys talked me into it lol... ill give my xp partition 10 gig
[02:00] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, yeah, I'm aware of that , but we're getting tired of northern ontario winters :)
[02:00] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: I grew up in Winnipeg.  You don't have to shovel rain.
[02:01] <BluesKaj> :)
[02:01] <BluesKaj> oooh, Portage & Main in Jan ..shudder
[02:02] <hydrogen> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-opengl-dev_4.4.0-1ubuntu3~hardy1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:02] <hydrogen>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/QtOpenGL.pc', which is also in package libqt4-dev
[02:02] <hydrogen> omg bug =/
[02:02] <adude> how do you update a program?
[02:02] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: been there, done that.  Got the frostbite scars to show for it.
[02:02] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, I think I'll pass on that :)
[02:03] <DarthFrog> adude: "sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:03] <teddy_> adude: dont you have a program in the notifaction area for updates?
[02:03] <teddy_> or does that only show security updates
[02:03] <DarthFrog> adude: That'll update your entire system.
[02:03] <hydrogen> any way I can work around that error?
[02:03] <hydrogen> I don't care about the file being overwritten
[02:04]  * CrashMaster wanders away to watch BSG
[02:04] <hydrogen> can I tell apt to just keep going?
[02:04] <DarthFrog> hydrogen: investigate the forcing options to dpkg.
[02:04] <DarthFrog> hydrogen: "man apt-get"
[02:06] <matt_____> does anyone know about bluetooth adapters and linux? I'm looking for advice to buy a bluetooth usb adapter that works on linux. I'm planning on using it with my phone, and also my bluetooth headset. Suggestions for an adapter please
[02:06] <hydrogen> DarthFrog: thanks
[02:07] <mschiff> hm my KDE4 apps from the hardy kde-4.0.4 packages show Version 4.0.3 in their Help->About dialogs...
[02:12] <Itaku> im trying to get krfb working but when i try to connect it says The connection closed unexpectedly. how do i fix it??????
[02:13] <hawkeyex> hi
[02:14] <hawkeyex> my computer is crashing now.. what should I look for in a system log?
[02:15] <mschiff> anybody installed the 4.0.4 packages on hardy?
[02:15] <CrashMaster> afraid to
[02:15] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Why?
[02:15] <teddy_> here gos.. im ghosting my image to the partition.. hopefully nothing gets screwed up lol
[02:16] <hawkeyex> my computer is crashing now.. what should I look for in a system log?
[02:16] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: I dont have enough weed left to dull the pain
[02:16] <teddy_> where does it crash?
[02:17] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: :-)
[02:17] <adude> where do my programs get installed to
[02:17] <teddy_> does it crash when the desktop starts loading?
[02:17] <DarthFrog> adude: Usually /usr/bin
[02:17] <CrashMaster> adude: /usr/bin
[02:17] <adude> thanks
[02:18] <DarthFrog> hawkeyex: Why is your computer crashing?  Yes, I know that's the question you are trying to answer but we need more info to help you.
[02:18] <teddy_> how far does your computer get before crashing hawkeyex
[02:18] <teddy_> ?
[02:19] <hawkeyex> DarthFrog: will this help? http://www.pastebin.org/35348
[02:20] <adude> how do i search for a file type?
[02:20] <CrashMaster> a file.. type?
[02:20] <CrashMaster> like *.ext
[02:20] <CrashMaster> ?
[02:20] <DarthFrog> adude: "man find"
[02:21] <hawkeyex> Darth: you looking at the error logs I've filtered?
[02:21] <adude> "man find" that a program?
[02:21] <hydrogen> !man
[02:21] <hawkeyex> short for manual :P
[02:21] <adude> ok
[02:22] <Jucato> or Alt+F2, "kfind"
[02:22] <DarthFrog> hawkeyex: At a first guess, it looks like an ACPI problem.  Try turning off ACPI on the grub boot line.
[02:22] <hawkeyex> how do I do that?
[02:23] <DarthFrog> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=/dev/sda2 ro noacpi quiet splash
[02:24] <DarthFrog> or it might be "noapic"
[02:24] <teddy_> later guys. thanks for the help
[02:24] <hawkeyex> DarthFrog: do I need to edit something in /etc?
[02:24] <hawkeyex> I need instructions :)
[02:25] <DarthFrog> Geez, the man/info page for grub is ...sparse.
[02:25] <CrashMaster> edit your grubs menu.lst
[02:25] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: No, don't do that.  Do it at boot.
[02:25] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: boot time makes it a one-time run though, doesnt it?
[02:26] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Yes, good for testing.
[02:26] <DarthFrog> If it works, then it can be made permanent.
[02:26] <CrashMaster> oh. tests.
[02:26] <CrashMaster> pff Im more like Greg House. Screw the tests, just apply the fix.
[02:26] <hawkeyex> so I need to reboot and go to grub?
[02:27] <DarthFrog> hawkeyex: When you boot and the grub boot menu comes up, press ESC.  Then follow the instructions given to make the edit to the "kernel ..." line.
[02:27] <hawkeyex> ok
[02:27] <hawkeyex> brb
[02:27] <DarthFrog> Then press "b" to boot with the change.
[02:27] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Hmm, interesting attitude.  Efficient.  Risky but efficient. :-)
[02:28] <CrashMaster> yeah
[02:28] <CrashMaster> I laugh at all the "how-to" docs that use the --dry-run option.
[02:28] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: You don't administer servers, do you?  One's that put food on the table and meet payroll?
[02:29] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: For the County, City, and local PD's office :)
[02:29] <CrashMaster> Although I have much stricter rules in there
[02:29] <CrashMaster> But this is home. Anything goes.
[02:29] <DarthFrog> I see.  I rather suspect that your devil-may-care attitude would not be welcome in those quarters. :-)
[02:30] <CrashMaster> True.
[02:30] <CrashMaster> But ask me about the last time I received a traffic ticket.
[02:30] <hawkeyex> DarthFrog: let's see if that fix holds.
[02:30] <DarthFrog> hawkeyex: No, it won't survive a reboot.  Did it work?
[02:30] <CrashMaster> hawkeyex: Remember, you will have to make the change permenent, or you'll lose it at reboot
[02:30] <hawkeyex> how?
[02:31] <DarthFrog> hawkeyex: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:31] <hawkeyex> ok sec.
[02:31] <CrashMaster> edit your menu.lst to incluide the no acpi swtich
[02:31] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: Have I asked you how to modify the kubuntu boot splash?
[02:32] <hawkeyex> ok. done
[02:32] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Nope.
[02:32] <CrashMaster> now reboot and make sure
[02:32] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: How do I modify the kubuntu boot splash?
[02:32] <DarthFrog> hawkeyex:  Did turning off ACPI fix your problem?
[02:33] <hawkeyex> I think so.
[02:33] <hawkeyex> I'm looking it up on the ubuntu forums
[02:33] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: What kind of change do you wish to make?
[02:33] <hawkeyex> looks like it's supposed to be pci=noacpi
[02:33] <hawkeyex> I'll fix that
[02:33] <CrashMaster> DarthFrog: Have you seen the BT3 bootsplash?
[02:33] <sujith> hi how to upgrade kde desktop to latest version
[02:33] <DarthFrog> No.  What is BT3?
[02:33] <hawkeyex> use the adept manager?
[02:34] <DarthFrog> sujith: "sudo apt-get update && apt-get install kde4-desktop"
[02:34] <CrashMaster> BackTrack3 (pen-testing live CD)
[02:34] <CrashMaster> has a sweet boot screen
[02:34] <CrashMaster> I want it
[02:34] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: You want the image from BT3?
[02:35] <hawkeyex> mind answering 1 more question? I keep having to load xbindkeys manually at reboot, is there an effective way to automate it?
[02:36] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=35&PHPSESSID=3624034f0204f9838a95dc93a0d90d95
[02:36] <CrashMaster> gvr
[02:36] <CrashMaster> next step. Fix konversation to load FF instead of konqeiror
[02:37] <DarthFrog> hawkeyex: Put the command in /etc/rc.local
[02:37] <Jucato> CrashMaster: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Use custom web browser
[02:37] <CrashMaster> Jucato: Thanks. I know how, ive just been lazy
[02:38] <Jucato> or make it applicable to all KDE apps: K Menu -> System Settings -> Default Applications (or somethign)
[02:38] <FFForever> anyone play wow on linux?
[02:39] <DarthFrog> FFForever: I tried to get the the demo DVD to run in Cedega but couldn't.  So I gave up on it.  I prefer Civ IV anyway. :-)
[02:42] <FFForever> anyone know why when i type wine Installer.exe it just sits there for a min or 2 then goes back to the terminal
[02:42] <FFForever> i am trying to install WoW the Burning Crusade via wine 1.0 rc1
[02:43] <Jucato> maybe #winehq can help
[02:51] <CrashMaster> I think hardy changed the location for the splash screen stuff, because its not in System Settings anymore
[02:52] <Jucato> which splash screen?
[02:52] <CrashMaster> KDE startup
[02:52] <dwidmann_laptop> lies, it's *right there*, system settings, splash screen :s
[02:52] <Jucato> under either Appearance or Desktop
[02:52] <CrashMaster> Im staring at the system settings, and its not here!
[02:53] <Catalinp> i have hardy and splash screen is there
[02:53] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: Well, use Kcontrol/System Admin/Login Manager.
[02:53] <Catalinp> i mean the settings
[02:53] <Dr_willis> optional package perhaps.
[02:53] <o0Chris0o> hrmm
[02:53] <o0Chris0o> my sound isn't working for some reason
[02:54] <CrashMaster> ok, remind me NOT to hit the prntscrn button on this laptop again
[02:54] <CrashMaster> sucker tried to open 30 instances of the snapshot manager.
[02:55] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster:  System Settings/Login Manager/Background
[02:55] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: lol
[02:55] <o0Chris0o> my sound isn't working for some reason..any ideas? everything is turned on and not mute
[02:55] <DarthFrog> CrashMaster: It's under the Advanced tab.
[02:55] <CrashMaster> saw that
[02:55] <DarthFrog> o0Chris0o: Is it plugged in? :-)
[02:55] <CrashMaster> and that takes care of the KDEboot
[02:56] <dwidmann_laptop> o0Chris0o: have you double checked the connections to the card?
[02:56] <o0Chris0o> yes
[02:56] <CrashMaster> now how do I change the kubuntu bootscreen?
[02:56] <o0Chris0o> yeah some how its defaulting to my headset
[02:56] <dwidmann_laptop> Hmm, I have heard of that before.
[02:57]  * o0Chris0o cries
[02:59]  * dwidmann_laptop is googling
[03:01]  * chillaKS googles too
[03:02] <dwidmann_laptop> o0Chris0o: what sound card is it exactly?
[03:02] <Catalinp> guys does any of you have any experience with broadcasting online?
[03:02] <Catalinp> like Shoutcast
[03:03] <Catalinp> what kind of software should I use and how should I configure my router
[03:03] <o0Chris0o> its an integrated one in my intel board
[03:03] <o0Chris0o> it works
[03:03] <o0Chris0o> worked before
[03:03] <o0Chris0o> sigmatel
[03:04] <dwidmann_laptop> hmm, k
[03:04] <chillaKS> Catalinp google it
[03:04] <o0Chris0o> might have to unlug my headset and restart or something
[03:05] <Catalinp> well i found out a lil about it on ubuntuforums.org
[03:05] <Catalinp> they recommend icecast-server
[03:06] <Catalinp> but you would need a public ip
[03:06] <chillaKS> Catalinp: google rules
[03:06] <dwidmann_laptop> o0Chris0o: this looks promising: http://suseforums.net/lofiversion/index.php/t47396.html
[03:06] <CrashMaster> Im actually begining to fear google.
[03:07] <dwidmann_laptop> if you're afraid of google CrashMaster, use Scroogle :P
[03:07] <CrashMaster> Never heard of it
[03:07]  * CrashMaster googles it
[03:07] <CrashMaster> DOH! SEE WHAT THEY DO TO YOU!?
[03:07] <dwidmann_laptop> lol
[03:07] <uhriventis> Was trying to see if I could goto Fedora but, it wouldn't install.
[03:08] <chillaKS> CrashMaster you could always resort to using wget
[03:08] <BluesKaj> uhriventis, you won't regret that ..fedora is nice but the pkg manger system is chaotic
[03:09] <uhriventis> I've read something about that
[03:09] <suntzu> hello
[03:09] <CrashMaster> chillaKS: I fear the linux console. at this point, I know just enough to screw it up :)
[03:09] <suntzu> i cant turn my computer off completely...any suggestion?
[03:09] <uhriventis> But, of course Kubuntu installed just fine no problems at all
[03:10] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: it's what you don't know about it that's going to screw it up :P
[03:10] <CrashMaster> Yeah, (k)ubuntu is really starting to take over a lot of desktops
[03:10] <suntzu> when i try to turn off my computer, it logs out but a black screen remains, so i have to turn it off with the power button
[03:10] <BluesKaj> suntzu, which graphics card o you have ?
[03:10] <chillaKS> CrashMaster belive me console is more user friendly and intuitive than GUI
[03:10] <suntzu> it is integrated to the mainboard
[03:10] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: not so much. Im an old school MS nerd from the dos2.0 days.
[03:11] <suntzu> motherboard*
[03:11] <BluesKaj> do
[03:11] <suntzu> blueskaj, it is integrated to the motherboard
[03:11] <uhriventis> The Ubuntu line is taking over
[03:11] <richard> CrashMaster..thank you for the info for dual booting with 2 seperate hard drives
[03:11] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: irregardless, we still want to know what it is
[03:11] <richard> I am up and running and able to select a drive
[03:11] <CrashMaster> richard: I helped? really?
[03:11] <richard> for sure..
[03:12] <CrashMaster> sweet! Im not a complete drain on the channel now!
[03:12] <suntzu> i was reading many forums and this problem is common...but the suggestions posted didnt work for me
[03:12] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: Woo hoo!
[03:12] <CrashMaster> oooh Im makin a list dwidmann_laptop... you don't want to be on it. :P
[03:12] <BluesKaj> suntzu, it still has a name .. lspci | grep VGA in the terminal and look for video controller
[03:13] <richard> I added the lines as indicated on the website you gave me, I get an extra screen, but who cares, at least I can select XP or Kubuntu
[03:13] <uhriventis> Why does linux hate my other video card?
[03:13] <uhriventis> Radeon 9250\
[03:13] <suntzu> blue, i will try it...hold on
[03:14] <suntzu> blues, this is what it says: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]
[03:14] <richard> thanks again CrashMaster, now it's bedtime for us old folk, always hit the sack after a successful day
[03:14] <CrashMaster> Nite man
[03:14] <richard> nite
[03:14] <suntzu> blue?
[03:15] <dwidmann_laptop> oh my ... something other than the typical ati/nvidia/intel
[03:15] <suntzu> blueskaj???
[03:15] <uhriventis> Yeah, I use my intel right now
[03:15] <uhriventis> But, my other is ATI
[03:17] <BluesKaj> suntzu, sorry , i thought it might be a lower end ATI , which has afix for hanging at shutdown
[03:18] <suntzu> then you cant help me??
[03:18] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: you still here? I need your thoughtsd
[03:18] <uhriventis> My older ati is better then the vid card I'm using now and for some reason on Linux its extremely slow
[03:18] <suntzu> hello???
[03:19] <Jucato> !patience
[03:19] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: You need my thoughts? Oh my ... well, okay, I'm here.
[03:19] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: I'm googling for it
[03:19] <CrashMaster> suntzu: this might be a silly question, but are you sure that you're selecting "shut down" and not sleep or hibernate?
[03:19] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: I need a new project.
[03:20] <dwidmann_laptop> sunztu: could anything here be useful?? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_on_a_ThinkPad_T20
[03:20] <suntzu> oh, absolutely sure
[03:20] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: After getting the wifi thing working the way I want, I need something new
[03:20] <thechris> Anyone here familiar with kubuntu's boot process?
[03:20] <uhriventis> What do you mean thechris?
[03:20] <CrashMaster> suntzu: If you hit the power button right now, would it try to start shutdown?
[03:20] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: hmm, what kind of project did you have in mind?
[03:20] <suntzu> i have tried almost everything...i edited the grub file and the etc/modules file as posted in different forums and nothing worked
[03:21] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: thats the problem. I dont know.
[03:21] <thechris> uhriventis: I'm trying to deteremine what is required to force /dev/ram to exist
[03:21] <uhriventis> Oh, nope. I don't know
[03:21] <uhriventis> Google?
[03:21] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: hmmmmm, I'm sure I'll think of something
[03:22] <Choreboy> anyone know if there is a #kopete channel?
[03:22] <uhriventis> You should use Pidgin
[03:22] <Choreboy> why?
[03:22] <CrashMaster> Choreboy: yes
[03:22] <uhriventis> Try it out
[03:22] <uhriventis> It's better
[03:22] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: how about seeing if there's a way to get ServiceMenus working in KDE4's konqueror/dolphin .... yes, that'd be a chore indeed, if you're up for it.
[03:22] <Choreboy> uhriventis: I have used it on Xubuntu
[03:22] <CrashMaster> Choreboy: try /j #kopete
[03:22] <Choreboy> uhriventis: Why would I like it better than Kopete?
[03:23] <suntzu> when i had ubuntu installed, it worked perfectly...it turned off the computer as usual...but when i installed kubuntu 8.04 i coudnt turn off the computer totally
[03:23] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: what is the prereq knowledge set?
[03:23] <suntzu> i have to use the power button
[03:23] <uhriventis> It's just a little better looking. For me I use it because there is a option for GMAIL
[03:23] <Choreboy> GMAIL or Jabber?
[03:23] <uhriventis> GMAIL
[03:23] <uhriventis> both
[03:23] <Choreboy> hmmm
[03:23] <uhriventis> And it's a little more customizable
[03:23] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: you might want to know how they worked in KDE3's konqueror, and where the files are stored on both the global and user levels
[03:24] <neon> is there an instan messaging that supports webcam?
[03:24] <uhriventis> Pidgin does
[03:24] <suntzu> ...and thank you all for your help
[03:24] <uhriventis> sudo apt-get install pidgin
[03:24] <Choreboy> I like Kopete, it's simple and gets the job done
[03:24] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: did you check out that link?
[03:24] <uhriventis> Yeah, pidgin stock is really simple that's why I like it too
[03:24] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: quick rundown., What is servicesmenu?
[03:25] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: say you right click on a file/folder, you'll have a list of other options of what you can do Ie: extract, copy to, compress, etc, queue files in amarok ..... things like that are servicemenus
[03:25] <Choreboy> the only think I don't like about Kopete is that it won't auto-reconnect to AIM
[03:25] <uhriventis> Uhg, I'm updating to 8.04 LTS and it's taking forever.
[03:25] <CrashMaster> context meuns
[03:25] <uhriventis> yeah
[03:25] <uhriventis> Pidgin does
[03:26] <Choreboy> Kopete is supposed to....
[03:26] <Choreboy> that's why I'm looking for Kopete help :-)
[03:26] <suntzu> dwidmann???
[03:26] <CrashMaster> I shall investigate it!
[03:26] <CrashMaster> ONWARD!
[03:26] <uhriventis> Well, I have Kopete right noiw.
[03:26] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: scroll up, it'll be highlighted in red.
[03:26] <uhriventis> Since I did a completely fresh install of Kubuntu like 2 mins ago
[03:26] <CrashMaster> Now... lets figure out how to install KDE4
[03:27] <uhriventis> sudo apt-get install kde4 worked for me!
[03:27] <uhriventis> haha
[03:27] <CrashMaster> shh
[03:27] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: wow, two projects in one, :P
[03:27] <CrashMaster> dang it
[03:27] <CrashMaster> dont spoil it for me
[03:28] <suntzu> dwidmann....i read that page...but if i run that command it will reinstall the OS??
[03:28] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: be sure to turn on your backports and upates repositories (especially the universe part)
[03:28] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: I have,.
[03:28] <CrashMaster> Im annoyed that installing kde4 wont auto-remove kde3.5 though
[03:28] <uhriventis> yeah, I can't figure out kopete either
[03:28] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: shouldn't, it looks like it was saying to edit certain files, like specifically the xorg.conf
[03:28] <uhriventis> I like kde 3.5 better then 4
[03:28] <uhriventis> Right now
[03:28] <uhriventis> At least
[03:28] <uhriventis> Still a little buggy four is
[03:29] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: kde4 isn't quite stable yet, and feature-wise it's not even on par with kde3
[03:29] <dwidmann_laptop> yet.
[03:29] <suntzu> dwidmann....i read that page...but if i run that command it will reinstall the OS??
[03:29] <CrashMaster> unstable, alpha version, and it doesnt work?
[03:29] <Deepthought> how can I find out exactly what version of KDE4 I have installed (like the 'about' menu-item in most apps) ?
[03:29] <CrashMaster> sweet
[03:29] <uhriventis> But, I bet in a couple of more patches KDE4 will be "da bomb"
[03:29] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: look at the part about editing the xorg.conf
[03:29] <CrashMaster> been doing that with Trillian astra for over a year now
[03:29] <suntzu> ok, let me see
[03:29] <uhriventis> You probably have 4.0.4
[03:29] <uhriventis> Thats the latest
[03:30] <CrashMaster> wow
[03:30] <neon> is there an instan messaging that supports webcam?
[03:30] <dwidmann_laptop> Deepthought: dpkg --list kdelibs5
[03:30] <CrashMaster> arvhive is giving me 450k/s
[03:30] <CrashMaster> havent seen that in ages
[03:30] <dwidmann_laptop> neon: I think Kopete does.
[03:30] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: is that good ... or bad?
[03:30] <uhriventis> Neon: Pidgin
[03:30] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: good. Ive been getting around 70-80k/s for the last week.
[03:30] <CrashMaster> only from the ubuntu archives tho
[03:31] <dwidmann_laptop> *nod*
[03:31] <Deepthought> dwidmann_laptop: that did the trick, thanx !
[03:31] <uhriventis> My internet connection is max 100 kb/s period. :^(
[03:31] <CrashMaster> makes me feel like a pirate again
[03:31] <neon> ok thx will install pidgin
[03:31] <CrashMaster> I max at around 700k/s
[03:31] <uhriventis> Neon: It supports a lot. It's a multiplatform IM
[03:32] <suntzu> what exactly does this command: "grub-install /dev/sda"??
[03:32] <uhriventis> I have the cheapest comcast has to offer.
[03:32] <CrashMaster> trillian is the best one out there
[03:32] <uhriventis> It's like DSL but, cable.
[03:32] <Deepthought> uhriventis: the thing is, I wanted to be sure I had indeed installed 4.0.4, ya see ?  ;-)
[03:32] <uhriventis> I didn't like trillian
[03:32] <uhriventis> Yeah, why don't you like kde3?
[03:32] <CrashMaster> suntzu: install the grub boot loader on USB drive
[03:33] <CrashMaster> dev/sda is still usb drives, right?
[03:33] <uhriventis> You guys should type in farting preacher in google and watch the videos
[03:33] <uhriventis> Just make sure the preacher is Robert Tilton
[03:33] <uhriventis> You know that guy that ask for thousand dollar "vows of faith"
[03:34] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: the only parts of that page that were applicable were probably the parts pertaining to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file ...
[03:34] <suntzu> hmmm, i had the same question crash....now my drives are called "sda"
[03:34] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: unless you actually have a thinkpad T20
[03:34] <suntzu> ahh ok
[03:34] <uhriventis> My drive is sda1 is this bad?
[03:35] <suntzu> but i dindt find anything related to /etc/X11...
[03:35] <suntzu> didnt*
[03:36] <dwidmann_laptop> I haven't figured out why all drives are sd* and cd drives are scd*  either .... used to be sda was only for scsi, then sata got tacked on, then USB also, now I guess everything is ... it makes more sense, just having one thing for it I guess.
[03:36] <dwidmann_laptop> with regards to USB and SATA, USB came first, I think out of order.
[03:37] <suntzu> dwidmann...sorry, i didnt find anything related to that
[03:37] <CrashMaster> wow apt-get is going crazy
[03:37] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: there are two sections there on it, and they stand out, a lot.
[03:38] <suntzu> i see 4sectiuons...none of them related to X!!
[03:38] <suntzu> X11*
[03:38] <suntzu> sections
[03:38] <CrashMaster> why is it X11? Why not x10 or x12 ?
[03:39] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: maybe there was an X10 X9 .. etc
[03:39] <CrashMaster> ok, I think kde4 is installed.
[03:39] <suntzu> this is what i saw:
[03:39] <suntzu> ACPI
[03:39] <suntzu> ACPI is (still) not enabled by default. You will most likely want to enable it. To do so, add 'acpi=force' to the line in /boot/grub/menu.lst beginning 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic' that's *not* in the recovery section.   I had to install dapper, backup xorg.conf, install hardy, and replace the file just to get my lappy monitor to work right
[03:39] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: ctrl + f, look for xorg.conf ...
[03:40] <suntzu> ok
[03:40] <dwidmann_laptop> crashmaster: only if you upgraded your kernel.
[03:41] <BluDog_Anchorite> can anyone tell me why the contents of xorg.conf changed SOO much between hardy and dapper ?
[03:41] <BluDog_Anchorite> and WHY inittab got replaced ?
[03:41] <uhriventis> I'm so new to Linux I don't reallly have anything to base it on
[03:42] <dwidmann_laptop> BluDog_Anchorite: xorg.conf was just recently changed a lot, it's the bulletproof x spec ...
[03:42] <BluDog_Anchorite> bullet proof my you know what
[03:42] <uhriventis> I finally got rid of windows after a million viruses later
[03:42] <dwidmann_laptop> BluDog_Anchorite: sysv-init has been replaced by upstart
[03:42] <dwidmann_laptop> BluDog_Anchorite: Yeah, pretty much
[03:42] <BluDog_Anchorite> like i said, i needed to get a sane xorg.conf from a dapper install just to get the monitor to do more than 800x600
[03:43] <uhriventis> Ew my monitor is sex to 1280x1024
[03:43] <uhriventis> set
[03:43] <uhriventis> !
[03:43] <BluDog_Anchorite> upstart,  i guess i can learn.  but the xorg thing is gonna cause a TON of grief for people that have even used a little linux over the years
[03:43] <suntzu> well, dwidmann...thank for your help...but i didnt understand a thing
[03:44] <dwidmann_laptop> BluDog_Anchorite: it seems to work fairly well on some setups.
[03:44] <suntzu> i looked for xorg.conf but didnt see anything i think that can solve my problem
[03:44] <BluDog_Anchorite> on some maybe.  on old hardware, no.  but at least you could comment things out the old way to get things going
[03:45] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: your problem is probably 100% video driver related, so they're at least worth a try.
[03:45] <suntzu> i really like kubuntu, but i think id rather switch back to ubuntu
[03:45] <uhriventis> What are some good off topic chat rooms?
[03:45] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: the other possibility is an acpi problem, but I would try acpi related fixes second if I were you.
[03:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> idk.  this new xorg thing has just really got under my skin.  im a long time user that was just REALLY shocked
[03:45] <dwidmann_laptop> !ot | uhriventis
[03:45] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:45] <ubuntu_> i im ubuntu
[03:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> k
[03:46] <suntzu> thx dwidmann...
[03:46] <suntzu> lets try that
[03:46] <ubuntu_> i im subnorl
[03:46] <suntzu> if i install what it said i will loose my data??
[03:46] <ubuntu_> kiere pippa??
[03:46] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: there is nothing being installed ... it's only asking you to edit the xorg.conf, as far as I could tell
[03:46] <suntzu> ACPI
[03:46] <suntzu> ACPI is (still) not enabled by default. You will most likely want to enable it. To do so, add 'acpi=force' to the line in /boot/grub/menu.lst beginning 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic' that's *not* in the recovery section. Then (as root) run:
[03:46] <suntzu> grub-install /dev/sda
[03:47] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: you already have grub installed though ...
[03:47] <suntzu> i mean the grub install command
[03:47] <suntzu> yes, i have it installed....but it says that i should reinstall it to make the new configuration work
[03:47] <dwidmann_laptop> You don't need to run grub-install unless grub isn't installed though, last time I cheched.
[03:48] <dwidmann_laptop> suntzu: feel free to give it a try, I don't htink it will damage anything
[03:49] <suntzu> ok, let my try
[03:49] <suntzu> me
[03:49] <BluDog_Anchorite> on a side note, has anyone else had problems when using the "select fastest mirror" button in adept?  it never scans the mirrors like is does in regular ubuntu.  it just closes the window, and nothing happens.
[03:50] <CrashMaster> oh my god this sucks get it off get it off get if off!!!
[03:51] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: what are you talking about man?my right clicks work fine
[03:52] <Choreboy> Anybody know anything about Kopete? The folks in #Kopete are asleep.
[03:52] <BluDog_Anchorite> i used it before
[03:52] <BluDog_Anchorite> never had to do anything to it to get it to work
[03:52] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: one sec
[03:52] <BluDog_Anchorite> but i might be able to help
[03:52] <CrashMaster> ok
[03:53] <CrashMaster> I dont know who ripped off who, but the KDE4 default environment looks almost exactly like vista
[03:53] <yulprand> hola como accedo al canal en español¿?
[03:53] <CrashMaster> !es | yulprand
[03:53] <BluDog_Anchorite> english only
[03:54] <BluDog_Anchorite> Choreboy: what is your question
[03:55] <Choreboy> BluDog_Anchorite: Kopete loses my AIM connection and won't auto-reconnect
[03:55] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: hm, It still doesn't seem on the level, I wonder why it's not tapping into them all. It seems like it has came quite a step since 4.0.3 though.
[03:55] <BluDog_Anchorite> Choreboy: is this a new or upgraded system ?
[03:55] <dwidmann_laptop> Oh well, installing KDE4 was a min-project of itself eh CrashMaster
[03:55] <Choreboy> new 8.04 Kubuntu KDE3
[03:56] <BluDog_Anchorite> Choreboy: it doesnt do that here.  strange.  yo ucould try different dns servers, or you could look at your router to see if its dropping the connection
[03:57] <Choreboy> BluDog_Anchorite: It will lose AIM but Yahoo will stay connected
[03:57] <BluDog_Anchorite> Choreboy: try pidgin.  see if it does the same thing
[03:57] <Choreboy> BluDog_Anchorite: I use OpenDNS as my DNS server
[03:57] <domux_> hi all
[03:57] <BluDog_Anchorite> that MIGHT be it,
[03:57] <Deepthought> CrashMaster: if you stick to default environments, there's some psychological elements of a VISTA user in yer head.. ;-)
[03:57] <BluDog_Anchorite> try an outisde DNS source
[03:58] <Choreboy> outside?
[03:58] <domux_> someone hav a vaio ?
[03:58] <CrashMaster> Deepthought: Troubling, but true
[03:58] <domux_> here
[03:58] <Choreboy> I don't know what that is
[03:58] <BluDog_Anchorite> the DNS from your provider, or something else
[03:58] <Choreboy> BluDog_Anchorite: You're saying try my provider's DNS?
[03:58] <BluDog_Anchorite> yes.  hard code that in once
[03:59] <BluDog_Anchorite> see if it works better
[03:59] <domux_> !!
[03:59] <Deepthought> CrashMaster: first thing is set machine to own taste and habits; can't believe all the world sticks to ugly blue-ish screenz... never bothering to look under the hood
[03:59] <yulprand> hi i don`t speack much english but.. how can i get kde4 in my new 8.04 Kubuntu with KDE3
[04:00] <BluDog_Anchorite> Choreboy: try pidgin.  see if the problem is application specific
[04:00] <uhriventis> Is 8.04 much better then 7.10
[04:00] <Deepthought> yulprand: install Kubuntu-KDE4 package (synaptic or adept) , that way you get the whole system with nothing missing
[04:00] <BluDog_Anchorite> define better
[04:01] <BluDog_Anchorite> uhriventis: ^^
[04:01] <uhriventis> Well, I mean stable.
[04:01] <uhriventis> Less crashes
[04:01] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: just a tip, never rely on gui package managers
[04:01] <yulprand> ok thanks  i`ll try
[04:01] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: why not ?
[04:01] <BluDog_Anchorite> uhriventis: imho, setting it up on strange hardware is tougher, but just as stable
[04:02] <Deepthought> uhriventis: had no serious crashes yet
[04:02] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: best to learn apt through the cli
[04:02] <BluDog_Anchorite> gets you out of WAY more jams than the point and click "install this" button
[04:02] <uhriventis> Yeah
[04:03]  * NightBird is trying once again to get kubuntu live cd to start on his laptop so I can try out the 64 bit version...
[04:03] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: I know it's cool and more versatile and quicker sometimes to use apt-get, but what trouble is lurking in synaptic/adept that I should know about ?
[04:03] <uhriventis> My vidcard never worked well on any linux from fedora-dreamlinux-ubuntu-kubuntu
[04:03] <uhriventis> Nightbird what errors do you get?
[04:03] <FFForever> how do i burn a .img file?
[04:03] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: there used to be issues where after a time adept would say upgrade, you would click, ok, and the system never would REALLY upgrade
[04:04] <domux_> envyng doesn't work on hardy
[04:04] <BluDog_Anchorite> it wasnt so good at reporting problems with installs
[04:04] <NightBird> uhriventis: I get dumped to busy box because I need to some how get the live cd to not load the 8139too and 8139cp drivers
[04:04] <uhriventis> Hmm
[04:04] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: I see what you mean, things like purge etc, but when you 're just looking for  stuff the gui's are convenient
[04:04] <domux_> with nvidia graphic card
[04:04] <uhriventis> I'm sure you have googled it already?
[04:04] <uhriventis> And posted on kubuntu.com forums?
[04:04] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: its a simple way of playing with apt-cache w/o having to grep
[04:04] <NightBird> uhriventis: about how to blacklist drivers on a live cd?  I've seen that it's not supported as a boot parameter
[04:05] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: updates not really ?  But that has to do with source-settings, no ?  as in supported or not, proposed or noit etc
[04:05] <uhriventis> IHmm
[04:05] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: you lost me there,.
[04:05] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: don' t quite get yer last remark about the grepping
[04:05] <uhriventis> Try fedora I had to blacklist things while installing it.
[04:05] <NightBird> I've cracked open the livecd filesystem and manually added those drivers to be blacklisted there, but they still get loaded
[04:05] <uhriventis> But, I'm sure you want kubuntu
[04:05] <uhriventis> Hah delete the drivers from the cd complete
[04:06] <uhriventis> ly
[04:06] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: I meant what was trouble with updating not really as you said ?
[04:06] <uhriventis> I don't know really
[04:06] <uhriventis> I haven't used 64
[04:06] <uhriventis> Don't have the hardware for that'
[04:06] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: when trying to find something in apt, you can do apt-cache search oss | grep sound to get sound related oss packages
[04:07] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: in the old days the gui updaters/package installers were semi problematic.  thats all im sayin.
[04:07] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: I get it, but in gui I just click search; works fine and saves a lot of scrolling in konsole and cutting/pasting or typing if I want a bunch of new stuff
[04:07] <BluDog_Anchorite> apt from the command line is way simpler
[04:07] <BluDog_Anchorite> eh, seems easier for me to use cli
[04:08] <BluDog_Anchorite> and running slow hardware you learn to do everything from cli
[04:08] <pyarra> greetings all, hoping for a little help with my dell precision m65 after upgrade 7.1- -> 8.04. Seems the Fn+F8 keypress, which used to switch from internal laptop display to external monitor no longer does so
[04:08] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: That makes sense, I had lotsa trouble in the old days with all the distro's I tried and never got to stick to out of frustration; ubuntu has none of these problems, or has' m solved in my experience the past months (using it since gutsy and never used XP again)
[04:09] <BluDog_Anchorite> pyarra: check display options, and make sure second monitor is set to mirror
[04:09] <uhriventis> Anyone here use the Radeon 9250?
[04:09] <pyarra> BluDog: tried that first, unfortunately that left me with an entirely unworking xorg.conf
[04:09] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: im a long time user of the binary distros.  a child of redhat and mandrake if you will
[04:09] <pyarra> I had to roll back to the previous version
[04:10] <neon> ne1 knows if an ASUS Bison Webcam will work under Kubuntu?
[04:10] <BluDog_Anchorite> pyarra: i had similar issues.  i had to reinstall dapper, backup xorg.conf, and move it into the hardy install
[04:10] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: hah! Had to install the Splash Screen package before it showed up in ControlCenter
[04:10] <Deepthought> Ooooh, I loved Mandrake, stuck to that the longest; but they sold out turning into Mandriva and being commercial (drifting off-topic.. sorry everyoine)
[04:10] <BluDog_Anchorite> pyarra: there may be easiers ways, but time was a factor for me
[04:11] <pyarra> I think the problem *may* be that the keypress is being trapped... seems that Fn+F3 invokes the KDE battery monitor, which is good
[04:11] <uhriventis> neon: Does this help? http://mediakey.dk/~cc/bisoncam-ali-m5603c-linux-driver-round-up/
[04:11] <pyarra> but Fn+F8 seems to be mapped to XF86Display... I suspect perhaps it needs to be left alone and delivered to the actual laptop
[04:12] <neon> uhriventis: geez great reading will get back to u in a while
[04:12] <uhriventis> Aight
[04:12] <pyarra> BluDog: yeah, I was able to use my old xorg, once I booted another PC, googled the error, and took a stab at correcting it (removed second monitor, basically)
[04:13] <pyarra> I suspect the internal + external don't actually appear as different displays
[04:13] <o0Chris0o> how do I reset or clear my apt get?
[04:13] <pyarra> so it's not really dual-head
[04:13] <o0Chris0o> I can't get adept to work
[04:13] <egork> when I start amarok and any other player (xine, kaffeine, mplayer) amarok gets blocked. It seems like they are blocking each other. Do I miss a mixer?
[04:13] <BluDog_Anchorite> o0Chris0o: first ps -A and make sure spt isnt running anywhere
[04:13] <Deepthought> How can I start an extra x-session on a different monitor on second (PCI-) vga card (in same machine of course) ?   It's meant to be a workaround to triple screen wich won't go; other card is nvidia with two screens twinview)
[04:14] <BluDog_Anchorite> egork: does your soundcard support full duplex ?
[04:14] <pyarra> I've been reading up on Xmodmap and lineak, but I don't quite get how to "remove" the mapping for the Fn+F8 keypress
[04:14] <egork> BluDog_Anchorite, should be, I guess. It worked before I have upgraded to Hardy.
[04:14] <pyarra> anyone know how I'd do that in `/.xmodmap - or indeed, if this would really not help?
[04:14] <o0Chris0o> adept is
[04:14] <o0Chris0o> but
[04:15] <o0Chris0o> I want to clsoe it out
[04:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> o0Chris0o: so sudo killall adept
[04:15] <pyarra> er, should be ~/.xmodmap
[04:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> never played with .xmodmap
[04:15] <o0Chris0o> nope
[04:15] <o0Chris0o> still can't load up adept
[04:16] <BluDog_Anchorite> pastebin your ps -A
[04:16] <BluDog_Anchorite> and any errors
[04:16] <o0Chris0o> lol I just need the code to kill it
[04:16] <o0Chris0o> has happened before
[04:16] <BluDog_Anchorite> sudo kill -9 PID
[04:17] <BluDog_Anchorite> PID being thr process ID
[04:17] <BluDog_Anchorite> or whateverprogram has adept loaded
[04:17] <o0Chris0o> thats it
[04:17] <afeijo> how can I terminate other user session?
[04:18] <BluDog_Anchorite> that idk.  google should have some answers for that
[04:18] <egork> and knotify4 also seems to block amarok
[04:19] <pyarra> bbbb
[04:19] <pyarra> luDog: ok, thanks for suggestions, I guess I'm about to learn about Xmodmap :-)
[04:20] <afeijo> did I ask right?
[04:21] <BluDog_Anchorite> afeijo: check google.  i have no idea
[04:21] <pyarra> afeijo: as root, or using sudo
[04:21] <BluDog_Anchorite> brb
[04:21] <afeijo> pyarra: I am root, and has sudo. What command?
[04:21] <pyarra> do you mean their KDE session? Or a process they are running?
[04:22] <afeijo> kde session
[04:22] <pyarra> afeijo: nicely, or abruptly?
[04:22] <afeijo> abrupt :)
[04:22] <afeijo> my girl always forget to logoff, she leave no app open
[04:22] <uhriventis> ... I'm in a windows chat room
[04:23] <pyarra> afejo: ps axwu | grep [k]deinit - find the first one, then kill that
[04:23] <pyarra> erm, filter by user too
[04:23] <pyarra> else you may kill your own session
[04:24] <afeijo> lol, ok, I try ps but didnt knew it has that many options
[04:24] <CrashMaster> Ya know..  But this Josh Turner song is made of %100 pure awesome.
[04:26] <Deepthought> how can I get the taskbar in kde4 ?  It's not there, and I can't find any place to set it; in screenshots I've seen it; or is it a widget I ned to get, or did they remove it in the last versions (using 4.0.4) ?
[04:26] <pyarra> afeijo: think of it this way: ps a == All, w = Wide, x == auXiliary (things that are no longer connected to a console) and u == show User
[04:27] <uhriventis> I like country if it's old. Like Johnny Cash... But, he's  more of a blues artist anyway
[04:27] <uhriventis> Why is my clock in military time? How do I fix this?
[04:28] <afeijo> funny, I kill her first process, but my own was affected. But not closed
[04:28] <BluDog_Anchorite> uhriventis: right click and look for 24 hour
[04:28] <Deepthought> pyarra: most abruptway to kill total session (ie reboot) is: alt-sysrq-s, then  alt-sysrq-u and finally  alt-sysrq-b ; that takes you right pout without messing up yer discs (wait a while after s and u, couple of seconds)
[04:28] <CrashMaster> what was that nifty link to that site with all the themes?
[04:28] <BluDog_Anchorite> anyone know how to hide join/parts in irssi ?
[04:29] <Deepthought> uhriventis: Uncle John is tghe Original Bad Boy
[04:29] <pyarra> DeepThought: read afeijo's question: he wants to kill another user's session, but (presumably) leave his running
[04:29] <uhriventis> Hah yeah
[04:29] <uhriventis> Led Belly is
[04:29] <uhriventis> !
[04:29] <CrashMaster> XP had a feature in taskman for doign that
[04:30] <Deepthought> pyarra: Didn't make that out, but you could be right; that's why I added the remark that it's a reboot, as he wnated abrupt; that is as abrupt as you can get
[04:30] <uhriventis> XP was the only windows I liked
[04:30] <uhriventis> I have the CD but...  I can't remember the code, it keeps saying another process is using the packaging system
[04:33] <uhriventis> I love music...
[04:33] <uhriventis> I'm a guitarist.
[04:33] <uhriventis> So
[04:34] <CrashMaster> !aptfix
[04:34] <Deepthought> Choreboy and if ctl-alt-del don't work: to kill total session (ie reboot) is: alt-sysrq-s, then  alt-sysrq-u and finally  alt-sysrq-b ; that takes you right pout without messing up yer discs (wait a while after s and u, couple of seconds)
[04:34] <o0Chris0o> thats it!
[04:34] <afeijo> I cant run mysql command at prompt, becose I installed another mysql with XAMPP
[04:35] <BluDog_Anchorite> he wants to kill the other usrs session, not his own
[04:35] <o0Chris0o> that worked thanks CrashMaster
[04:35] <Deepthought> CrashMaster: I wrote that in my notebook, have same prob from time to time; could it be a kde4 issue ?
[04:36] <Deepthought> CrashMaster: the hidden apt thing I mean
[04:36] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: that problem comes from using the gui
[04:36] <CrashMaster> *blank stare*
[04:36] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: woof !
[04:36] <Choreboy> I'm not sure what I want to kill. What is another user session? I just want to kill any program that makes me freeze
[04:36] <CrashMaster> I just memorized the trigger man
[04:36] <BluDog_Anchorite> thats why apt from cli is better
[04:37] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: but you' re probably right...
[04:37] <afeijo> who likes RPG?
[04:37] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: thats TWO man
[04:37] <uhriventis> Role Playing Games?
[04:37] <uhriventis> Hah
[04:37] <uhriventis> I do!
[04:37] <BluDog_Anchorite> final fantasy FTW.
[04:38] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: still, it happens from time to time after fresh boot; as if update hangs or so; and it comes with a kde-sudo error; still think it has to do with kde4 and not adept, cause that never gave me trouble in ubuntu or kde3
[04:38] <o0Chris0o> !java
[04:38] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: i have seen those questions way before ubuntu ever existed
[04:38] <afeijo> uhriventis: try this one, free, http://delta.astroempires.com/?ref=D.60589
[04:38] <BluDog_Anchorite> its the gui and auto updater going wonky
[04:38] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: hm...
[04:38] <afeijo> uhriventis: join D52 galaxy
[04:39] <afeijo> I've playing for 3 month, impossible to stop :)
[04:39] <BluDog_Anchorite> i never use the gui update program, and have NEVER had that issue
[04:39] <uhriventis> I will
[04:39] <BluDog_Anchorite> sudo apt-get update && sudo apg-get upgrade once a day
[04:40] <o0Chris0o> what java should I install? I'm not sure lists a few
[04:40] <BluDog_Anchorite> dist-upgrade if there is a new kernel
[04:40] <uhriventis> Doing it now
[04:41] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: Well, I've been wanting to dig into aptget for some time now anyway, since when everything breaks down that still works; so it makes some sense to just totally stick with it; any suggestions to a good howto or introduction that will make my transition from the guis less painful ?  (I mean I've cut and pasteds quite some apt-gets into the console, and got great results, fixed systems and sold problems, but never really got
[04:41] <Deepthought> under the hood)
[04:42] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: pm?
[04:42] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: pm ??
[04:42] <afeijo> uhriventis: yeah, you on. Tell me your coord when you find
[04:43] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: private message
[04:43] <uhriventis> Konqueror is messin up with gmail. What's yours and when my upgrade to 8.04 is done I'll find you
[04:43] <BluDog_Anchorite> i sent you one.  you may need to be identified to recieve it
[04:44] <_2> BluDog_Anchorite reverse.   need ident to send.
[04:44] <BluDog_Anchorite> Deepthought: i dont want to explain it all here.  join #wickedtribe, ill explain some there
[04:45] <Deepthought> BluDog_Anchorite: I see it, but not coming through; will go there
[04:48] <cathee> hello
[04:49] <_2> cathee
[04:50] <cathee> 1st time on, checking everything out
[04:50] <NightBird> .... I'm confused.... I just deleted the drivers from the filesystem.squashfs, yet they're still getting loaded...
[04:50] <_2> !welcome
[04:51] <uhriventis> Wow
[04:51] <uhriventis> Hahah nightbird
[04:51] <NightBird> yeah
[04:51] <uhriventis> I didn't think you would do that.
[04:51] <uhriventis> But
[04:51] <uhriventis> The fact that it's still loading!
[04:51] <uhriventis> Crazy
[04:51] <uhriventis> Ghost drivers or something
[04:51] <uhriventis> Must be Satanic
[04:52] <cathee> having trouble installing 'gramps'
[04:52] <NightBird> or something... I've switched to using a usb booter, so I don't end up wasteing 6 more cds...
[04:52] <_2> they are probably loaded in the initramfs pre-mount-rootfs
[04:52] <uhriventis> That would make sense
[04:52] <NightBird> so how do I get them out of there?
[04:52] <eljefe_> !blogging
[04:52] <pyarra> !xmodmap
[04:52] <_2> build an initramfs that doesn't contain them ?
[04:52] <NightBird> okay...
[04:53] <pyarra> !hotkey
[04:53] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: memorized what trigger?
[04:53] <dwidmann_laptop> that's two what CrashMaster?
[04:55] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: TWO people I helped.
[04:55] <CrashMaster> Im turning into a good person over here
[04:56] <_2> what means person ???
[04:56] <uhriventis> Is 64 any better then the standard?
[04:56] <uhriventis> I mean noticeably?
[04:56] <dwidmann_laptop> congratulations Crash
[04:56] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: depends on the app.
[04:57] <uhriventis> Well, what's the difference?
[04:57] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: number crunching, images, any sort of encoding, can greatly benefit from 64-bit
[04:57] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: the difference is that all 64 of the processors registers are utilized instead of only 32.
[04:57] <uhriventis> I've heard the difference is barley noticeable...
[04:58] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: the sorts of apps I noted above can see anywhere up to a 100% peformance gain
[04:58] <uhriventis> Hmm
[04:58] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: though that is the extreme, it doesn't really go higher than that.
[04:58] <uhriventis> I should, get this hardware
[04:59] <dwidmann_laptop> If all you do is browse the web and read your email there isn't any point.
 If all you do is browse the web and read your email there isn't any point. <<< in having a computer ?    :)
[05:01] <dwidmann_laptop> _2: maybe, I wouldn't know.
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> hey guys I keep on getting this, not sure why, I am trying to instal supybot from adept manager. the error says "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages." any ideas?
[05:02] <AngryBacon> _2: there is a point, to browse the web and check email
[05:02] <_2> o0Chris0o use   sudo apt-get install -f     and see why.
[05:03] <_2> AngryBacon calm down.
[05:03] <_2> :)
[05:03] <CrashMaster> o0Chris0o: try it from apt
[05:03]  * AngryBacon should have put a smiley after that, lol
[05:04] <_2> well i think i'll change my "person" and post some info...
[05:05] <dwidmann_laptop> CALM!!! this is calm!! RAWR
[05:06] <o0Chris0o> _2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11604/
[05:06] <Agent_bob> i have tested and with repeted succession found that grub can not be install to an hdd with full disk fs, without hosing the fs.
[05:06] <Agent_bob> grub imbeds more than the 512b allowed
[05:07] <CrashMaster> o0Chris0o: Did you run it as root?
[05:07] <Agent_bob> o0Chris0o close adept first.
[05:07] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: best tp back up, create a partition table on the device, create a partition, install grub, and restore then.
[05:07] <CrashMaster> o0Chris0o: and make sure you closed the adept 1qst
[05:08] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop that's a very long way to get to the same point as "install lilo"
[05:08] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: Well, I guess it is.
[05:09] <o0Chris0o> that worked!
[05:09] <o0Chris0o> was a java install
[05:09] <o0Chris0o> that messed up
[05:09] <Agent_bob> but the point is that grub writes too much data to what "should" be the MBR, thus spilling over into the next sector
[05:10] <AngryBacon> Agent_bob: why would you have grub with a fulldisk fs anyhow?
[05:10] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: don't like it? file some bugs :)
[05:10] <Agent_bob> AngryBacon gotta boot somehow
[05:10] <AngryBacon> Any linux installation will have at LEAST 2 partitions
[05:10] <Choreboy> Can anyone help me with LILO? It's on my MBR and I need to change it to include an option to boot to my Windows parition...
[05:10] <AngryBacon> and if you arn't using linux or other unix-like, why do you have grub?
[05:10] <Agent_bob> AngryBacon wrong
[05:10] <dwidmann_laptop> AngryBacon: not true, you can get by with one.
[05:10] <AngryBacon> well, i suppose, but why?
[05:11] <Agent_bob> i can and do install linux with 0 partitions.
[05:11] <AngryBacon> what situation would warrent grub+one partition?
[05:12] <dwidmann_laptop> AngryBacon: probably an external hard drive or other sort of USB/I394/E-SATA device
[05:12] <Agent_bob> however grub can't be installed without a partitions some place.... second hd maybe.   and i was trying to use grub because it's the "ubuntu" way.
[05:13] <Choreboy> You sure GRUB can't be used if you use an entire disc? I've used an entire disc for Kubuntu 7.10 and GRUB gave me boot options for generic kernel, mem test, etc
[05:13] <Agent_bob> Choreboy yes
[05:14] <Agent_bob> Choreboy the stage* files have to be on a partition   else it wont install/setup     floppy being the exception.
[05:14] <Choreboy> Well since we are on GRUB can anyone help me with my LILO problem?
[05:14] <NightBird> okay, I'm having problems figuring out how to modify the initramfs for the livecd to disable the drivers that are causing me problems..
[05:14] <Agent_bob> Choreboy probably.  what ya need ?
[05:14] <Choreboy> I need the option to boot to my XP partition
[05:15] <Choreboy> I've tried changing the lilo.conf and I've tried using the GUI app to change LILO but I don't know what I'm doing
[05:15] <keoni> does anyone know why a file called .directory is showing up on my desktop using kubuntu 8.04
[05:15] <Choreboy> with the app I can see the windows partition but it wants a mount point.  I have no idea what to choose
[05:16] <Agent_bob> Choreboy other=/dev/<devicenode> \n label=winderz \n boot-as=0x80
[05:16] <eatThisAndDie> keoni: you need to change the settings to not show invisible files on yout desktop
 might be something like    hda1   sdb5   or what ever.
[05:17] <Choreboy> the device says /dev/sda1
[05:18] <Agent_bob> here's an example you might learn from.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d7d6cb409
[05:18] <eatThisAndDie> keoni: on kde3 its rightclick the desktop >configure desktop> behaviour. Sorry but i have no idea how it's on kde4. Doubt it's that much different
[05:18] <keoni> is there a setting specific for that or is the the Show hidden files under the behavior tab  in the KDesktop configure menu
[05:18] <keoni> oh nm
[05:18] <keoni> that was a rethorical question
[05:19] <Agent_bob> rethoric posing as a quarry
[05:19] <keoni> as i was typing that i thought that was a global setting then i realised i said kdesktop
[05:19] <eatThisAndDie> keoni: You good? Got what you wanted?
[05:19] <keoni> ya
[05:19] <keoni> thank you
[05:21] <Choreboy> I am never going to get this thing figured out.
[05:22] <McRib> Doesn't Konversation have a channel list feature?
[05:23] <fildo> McRib:  /list
[05:23] <McRib> fildo: I mean other than doing that.
[05:23] <Agent_bob> Choreboy basicly substitue sda1 where hdb1 is in that example.   and only use that one section from the example
[05:25] <Agent_bob> McRib i have no clue.  but i agree that it should.   xchat does/did
[05:25] <McRib> Agent_bob: yeah... seems pretty basic.  Should also be able to right-click a channel tab and decide if you want to auto-join it on connect, etc...
[05:26] <Agent_bob> that sounds kde'ish
[05:26] <Agent_bob> kde = right click everything and configure it...
[05:28] <Agent_bob> this system looks bloated   Memory Used/Total Percent: 23/503 MB (4%)     used root fs 7.4G  55% /   no wonder
[05:29] <McRib> Agent_bob: Screw KDE... right-click/config should be standard.   I tried editing the /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh script and added the P flag like I saw some people having success with but that didnt work for me. It still wont shutdown or restart...any ideas?
[05:38] <eatThisAndDie> AFAIK that's a hardware thing eichenwald
[05:39] <flaccid> eichenwald: its a bug
[05:40] <flaccid> eichenwald: which video card driver?
[05:40] <eichenwald> ati
[05:40] <Choreboy> Stupid LILO!!!!
[05:40] <Agent_bob> Choreboy ?
[05:40] <Choreboy> I change the config file, run lilo, and still get no boot options
[05:41] <Choreboy> it just boots right to Kubuntu
[05:41] <Agent_bob> heh  you don't have keyword    prompt    ???
[05:41] <Choreboy> prompt?
[05:41] <flaccid> eichenwald: what is your output of dpkg -l | grep fglrx ?
[05:42] <flaccid> eichenwald: is this the fglrx driver or "ati" or "radeon"
[05:42] <eichenwald> flaccid:  ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) from lspci
[05:42] <Agent_bob> yep    keyword     prompt     and timeout=50    or longer
[05:42] <flaccid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605
[05:43] <Agent_bob> Choreboy if you don't tell lilo to "prompt" the user it doesn't show any menu
[05:43] <Agent_bob> Choreboy if you set the timeout too low    like  timeout=10     one second is not enough time to select anything either.
[05:44] <Agent_bob> man lilo.conf        the manpages are there for a reason
[05:46] <Choreboy> What's the keyboard shortcut for showing hidden files in dolphin?
[05:46] <Odd-rationale> Choreboy: alt + .
[05:47]  * Agent_bob can't tell if that's dot spot decimal period
[05:48] <NightBird> okay, so is there a way for me to install a 64 bit kubuntu install to a seperate partition from within a 32 bit kubuntu installation?
[05:48] <Agent_bob> NightBird in a vertual machine?
[05:49] <eichenwald> flaccid: is there a restricted driver management dialog, I know how to get to it in ubuntu
[05:49] <NightBird> Agent_bob: no, on an actual machine
[05:49] <Agent_bob> NightBird ummm may i ask "why from within a running linux?"
[05:50] <eichenwald> flaccid: nevermind I found it
[05:50] <NightBird> Agent_bob: because I can't boot a kubuntu live cd
[05:50] <flaccid> eichenwald: [14:41] <flaccid> eichenwald: what is your output of dpkg -l | grep fglrx ; [14:42] <flaccid> eichenwald: is this the fglrx driver or "ati" or "radeon"
[05:50] <Agent_bob> wahooooo:  makes sense.      tried the "alternate install" disk ?
[05:50] <Agent_bob> ah'
[05:50] <NightBird> Agent_bob: I'm guessing that was targeted at me?
[05:50] <Agent_bob> yeah
[05:50] <eichenwald> flaccid: ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                          1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34         Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[05:51] <Agent_bob> nick completion butted in.
[05:51] <NightBird> wait... how does that work out?
[05:51] <NightBird> I could see another person with an n nickname...
[05:51] <eichenwald> flaccid: I just removed it and now Im using the opensource driver although it sucks
[05:51] <flaccid> eichenwald: are you on hardy?
[05:51] <NightBird> but a w?
[05:51] <eichenwald> flaccid: yeah
[05:51] <NightBird> also; no, I haven't tried an alternative cd
[05:52] <Agent_bob> 'ah:'   and the colen is the completion char i have set.
[05:52] <flaccid> eichenwald: you need to update to ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                          1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-17.36
[05:52] <Agent_bob> wasn't a w ^
[05:52] <NightBird> I'll download the torrent over night
[05:52] <flaccid> eichenwald: need to enable the hardy-proposed repos
[05:53] <eichenwald> flaccid: alright I'll give that a try, thanks
[05:53] <flaccid> np
[05:53] <Agent_bob> maybe i should set the nick completion char to ' '
[05:56] <Agent_bob> why is flash drive read/write so slow ?
[05:57] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: how slow? Maybe it's a USB 1.1 device or something (or being treated as one)?
[05:58] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop maybe.    < 1m/s
[05:58] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: I think usb 1.1 maxes at 1MBs
[05:58] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: and USB 2.0 is 48MBs
[05:59] <Agent_bob> [17179575.316000] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found <<< ?
[06:00] <dwidmann_laptop> and it looks like USB 3.0 is coming out soon, and it will be 5GBs
[06:00] <dwidmann_laptop> **wait, 5Gbps
[06:01] <dwidmann_laptop> so 625MBs .... ..... usb hub not found? That's an interesting message
[06:01] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: what all did it say when you plugged the drive in?
[06:03] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2fba462c
[06:05] <dwidmann_laptop> hm, I don't see anything that jumps out and says hello, do you?
[06:05] <Agent_bob> no
[06:05] <dwidmann_laptop> thought not
[06:06] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: what all does it say about usb around the time of your last bootup in dmesg/syslog/message/kern.log?  If it wasn't showing there maybe it's showing somewhere else.
[06:08] <Agent_bob> very little   that's the only device i plugged in and that the full output    there are only about there more lines in dmesg about usb and they are very uninformative  (about the usb bus mostly)
[06:09] <dwidmann_laptop> hmm
[06:09] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: is it really a usb 2.0 device?
[06:09] <Agent_bob> ?
[06:09] <Agent_bob> beets me.
[06:09] <Agent_bob> [17179575.308000] usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
[06:09] <Agent_bob> [17179575.308000] usbcore: registered new driver hub
[06:09] <Agent_bob> [17179575.316000] USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.3
[06:10] <Agent_bob> that's several lines before the pastebin i showed you.
[06:10] <Agent_bob> and that's the full output on the subject
[06:10] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: your usb controller can be usb 2.0, but if the device is usb 1.1 it works in legacy mode at USB 1.1 speed.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> yeah i know that.  but i don't see anything that would inform me as to what it actually is...
[06:11] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: yeah, that would be handy wouldn
[06:12] <dwidmann_laptop> t it
[06:12] <CrashMaster> Agent_bob: if it says EHCI its 2.0
[06:12] <Agent_bob> maybe lshw will know...
[06:12] <dwidmann_laptop> oops, `'` != `ENTER`
[06:12] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: or perhaps, lsusb --vv
[06:12] <dwidmann_laptop> **one -
[06:14] <Agent_bob> yeah looked at lsusb first   "and plus -v"  but didn't see anything there either.
[06:14] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d353bdf31
[06:14] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: did you run lsusb as sudo, if not, you probably saw nothing interesting.
[06:14] <Agent_bob> as root.. http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3842e579
[06:15] <Agent_bob> can't sudo  but that's another story...
[06:16] <dwidmann_laptop> Lexar Media Flash Drive?
[06:16] <dwidmann_laptop> It says it's USB 2.0 ....
[06:16] <McRib> Will Konversation ever get a notify list built-in?
[06:16] <Agent_bob> where did you find that ?   google ?
[06:17] <dwidmann_laptop> bcdusb line Agent_bob
[06:17] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: however, the controller it's on is usb 1.1
[06:18] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: try plugging it in to a different port, ie: if it's a front port plug it into a usb port on the back, etc
[06:19] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop is that what the    "bcdUSB               1.10"  is saying there?      that makes sense then...
[06:19] <Agent_bob> and 2.00 for the drive       i see
[06:19] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: yes, that's what I'm looking at to jump to these startling conclusions :)
[06:19] <dwidmann_laptop> (ie: guessing)
[06:20] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:20] <Agent_bob> well i'll guess with you on that.     yep that's what it says...     ;/
[06:20] <gkffjcs> is there still a fluxbox desktop package in ubuntu, apt-cache search didn't come up with anything useful?
[06:21] <CrashMaster> !apt-cachge
[06:21] <CrashMaster> !apt-cache
[06:21] <Agent_bob> gkffjcs apt-cache search fluxbox
[06:21] <Agent_bob> ?
[06:21] <Agent_bob> !find fluxbox
[06:22] <Agent_bob> looks to be still there.
[06:22] <dwidmann_laptop> I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be upset if it weren't.
[06:22] <Agent_bob> if that's actually hardy.
[06:22] <Agent_bob> !info fluxbox
[06:23] <gkffjcs> sorry, thanks, didn't see it the first time, I expected something like fluxbox-desktop.
[06:24] <Agent_bob> gkffjcs you mean like    xubuntu-desktop  ?   but that's xfce4 not fluxbox...
[06:24] <o0Chris0o> I can't think straight, But I know I know the answer....what is hostmask? is that like @yahoo.com?
[06:24] <dwidmann_laptop> gkffjcs: yeah, other than kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-kde4-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, and ubuntu-desktop, you're not really going to get that luxury AFAIK (maybe other ones, but they'd be third party)
[06:25] <Agent_bob> o0Chris0o like   <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:25] <dwidmann_laptop> o0Chris0o: I think that would be hostname
[06:25] <CrashMaster> !hostmask
[06:25] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[06:25] <CrashMaster> Agent_bob: Thats a subnet mask man.
[06:25] <CrashMaster> totallty different
[06:26] <Agent_bob> CrashMaster not totally different     just bad example.
[06:26] <CrashMaster> Um
[06:26] <Agent_bob> <IP_ADDRESS>    there.
[06:26] <CrashMaster> Gonna have to disagree man
[06:26] <CrashMaster> A hostmask is basically an official spoofing of your hostname
[06:27] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[06:27] <CrashMaster> the subnet mask is a range of ips considered local to your subnet
[06:28] <contrast83> Anyone here using Compiz-Fusion and nVidia's beta driver (173.08)? CF's CPU usage is shooting up to 100% when I switch to a TTY or another X server.
[06:28] <dwidmann_laptop> contrast83: I guess that's why they labeled it beta
[06:29] <contrast83> dwidmann_laptop: Right, but it's the only recent one that doesn't break UT2k4. :-\
[06:30] <Agent_bob> not to mention that compiz has never been supported here...
[06:30] <contrast83> Erm... So "not supported" means "don't ask questions about it"?
[06:30] <Agent_bob> no means don't expect answers
[06:31] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[06:31] <Agent_bob> it is supported there ^
[06:31] <dwidmann_laptop> It means expect a lot of that ^^
[06:31] <contrast83> Pfft... I've seen dozens of Compiz-related questions answered in here. ;-)
[06:32] <Agent_bob> contrast83 i didn't say there weren't,  i was just answering your question about my statement.
[06:32] <contrast83> Cool. :-)
[06:32] <Agent_bob> or didn't you notice ?
[06:32] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:33] <izzyb> contrast83, for config related questions of the sort "how do you install it in kubuntu?", this channel is best, but for "does it work with x", its best to ask in #compiz
[06:33] <izzyb> not to discourage you from asking
[06:33] <izzyb> just that you'll find better support in #compiz
[06:33] <contrast83> izzyb: Point taken. :-)
[06:34] <izzyb> you'll find many people linger in both
[06:34] <contrast83> I've been asking in there for about an hour, no joy yet.
[06:34] <contrast83> izzyb: Yep, I'm one of them. ;-)
[06:34] <izzyb> yeah, doesn't hurt to try other places, but for things as complex as compiz, best to go right to the source
[06:34] <contrast83> Right... #nvidia seems to be completely dead.
[06:35] <Agent_bob> this is kind of an off hour tho.
[06:35] <izzyb> it's best to repeat your question every few hours
[06:36] <Agent_bob> or when it scrolls off the page  :))))
[06:36] <contrast83> Cool, thanks for the tips.
[06:36] <izzyb> lots idle and the people with the answers you need may not be atk
[06:36] <izzyb> yeah, that's a better approach
[06:37] <izzyb> if the channel is active, repost when things slow down
[06:38] <contrast83> Heh... It's a funny situation I have here, now that I think about it...
[06:39] <contrast83> I'm using the beta driver to play a game that doesn't work with the stable driver, and the game performs best when run on a seperate X server from Compiz, but Compiz is hogging the CPU when a different X server is active. :-P
[06:40] <Agent_bob> ummm kwin --replace ?
[06:40] <contrast83> If irony was ice cream, I'd be swimming in sundaes.
[06:41] <contrast83> Agent_bob: But then my windows get thrown across the viewports when I turn Compiz back on.
[06:41] <izzyb> hmm, that'd be a question for #compiz.  I have no idea how cpu usage relates to compiz. I thought it was mostly gpu intensive.
[06:42] <McRib> Does anyone know if the U.S. repositories are working again at full speed?
[06:42] <Agent_bob> i actually put a partition on one hd just to have a "wintindo" setup.   kids and games... meh
[06:42] <contrast83> izzyb: Oh no, it takes its share of CPU time as well when it's actually *doing* stuff. In my case though, it's taking more than its share when it's not even doing anything.
[06:43] <izzyb> hmm, have you tried turning off effects to see if it's one of them?
[06:43] <contrast83> Agent_bob: It's funny, actually - I never really gamed on the computer until I started using Linux. I saw all those free games in Add/Remove... and couldn't resist.
[06:43] <Agent_bob> contrast83 stupid question, but; it's not a screensaver going off on you is it ?
[06:43] <izzyb> lol
[06:43] <izzyb> that would be funny
[06:43] <contrast83> Agent_bob: Nope, it happens the second I switch to a TTY/X server.
[06:43] <Agent_bob> k just checking.
[06:43] <contrast83> I wish that was it.
[06:44] <contrast83> Hehe, thanks
[06:44] <Agent_bob> sometimes the obvious is actually the answer
[06:44]  * izzyb recalls having a problem on a windows server once.  was in to support a Dell and they called us in because they thought it was hardware
[06:44] <izzyb> we isolated it to this 3d screen saver
[06:44] <izzyb> every time it kicked in cpu usage went through the roof and performance went down
[06:45] <contrast83> izzyb: As for it being a certain effect, it's been consistent across a lot of tweaking in CCSM, so I don't think that's it. I might try resetting Compiz to its defaults just to make sure though.
[06:45] <contrast83> izzyb: lol
[06:45] <izzyb> I'd turn everything off and see if it goes away
[06:45] <contrast83> I say: If you want eye-candy on outdated hardware, get Enlightenment.
[06:45] <izzyb> then start adding things back in in groups until it comes back
[06:46] <contrast83> I'm actually gonna go ahead and check that right now, one sec...
[06:47] <josh_> can someone give me hand setting up a bridge?
[06:47]  * izzyb not a big fan of eye candy - at least not at the expense of performance, but I had to fire up compiz on this box since it has a decent video card in it
[06:47] <Agent_bob> josh details ?
[06:48] <contrast83> izzyb: Just tried with the very conservative defaults and the problem persists. Thanks for the suggestion though.
[06:48] <contrast83> izzyb: How are you liking it?
[06:48] <izzyb> It's cool.  I can deal without all the eye candy, but I must say I like how multiple desktops are handled
[06:49] <izzyb> it would be nice to see some of the features I'm missing from kde, but overall it's better
[06:49]  * izzyb used to use kde with 12 desktops
[06:49] <contrast83> izzyb: Such as?
[06:49] <josh_> two wired cards, eth0 connects to the router for internet eth1 is another computer that I want to connect
[06:49] <izzyb> now I use compiz with 4x5 desktops
[06:50] <contrast83> izzyb: You might want to install compizconfig-settings-manager if you haven't already. I'd say Compiz can do 99.99% of the stuff KWin can.
[06:50] <izzyb> I miss being able to right click and move a window to a desktop
[06:50] <izzyb> including the option of all desktops
[06:50] <josh_> need anymore info?
[06:50] <contrast83> right-click on its titlebar, you mean?
[06:50] <izzyb> yeah
[06:50] <contrast83> you can with emerald. i guess you're using kde-window-decorator?
[06:51] <RancidKraut> Is there a way to search for and fix broken packages in Adept?
[06:51] <izzyb> hmm, lets see
[06:51] <contrast83> RancidKraut: Not sure, but I know you can in Synaptic. I haven't used Adept in ~1 year.
[06:51] <RancidKraut> I can't install Synaptic because broken packages are preventing me. :(
[06:52] <Agent_bob> josh_ sudo apt-get install bridge-utils
[06:52]  * izzyb hopes he doesn't hang again -- I'm having issues where the system hangs and it happens more frequently while running compize
[06:52] <josh_> ok got that
[06:52] <contrast83> RancidKraut: "sudo apt-get install -f" should work too, or if that fails, "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then "sudo apt-get install -f" again
[06:53] <RancidKraut> contrast83: Thanks so much, this seems to be working. :)
[06:53] <Agent_bob> josh_ you have to ifdown the two cards,   and   ifconfig eth# <IP_ADDRESS> promisc up  << where # is probably 0 and 1 in your case.
[06:53] <izzyb> contrast83, where is emerald?
[06:53] <contrast83> RancidKraut: Cool, no problem
[06:54]  * izzyb uses compizConfig settings Manager
[06:54] <contrast83> izzyb: Try running "emerald --replace &"
[06:54] <Agent_bob> josh_ you'll have to            brctl addbr br0      also.
[06:54] <josh_> agent_bob do I need to add those lines to /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:54] <contrast83> izzyb: If you just used the fancy new dialog in KDE for installing Compiz, you'll need to install Emerald yourself first (sudo apt-get install emerald)
[06:54] <izzyb> hmm, didn't have emerald installed
[06:54] <izzyb> doing it now
[06:55] <Agent_bob> josh_ no.  you'll probably want to script it.
[06:55] <RancidKraut> contrast83: What do you prefer about Synaptic?
[06:55] <contrast83> RancidKraut: Umm... Pretty much everything. :-)
[06:55] <Agent_bob> josh_ what static ip is that box going to use ?
[06:55] <RancidKraut> contrast83: I'll check it out. :)
[06:56] <contrast83> RancidKraut: You can purge all the Adept components without causing any problems, FYI.
[06:56] <josh_> does it have to be static?
[06:56] <RancidKraut> contrast83: How can I go about doing that?
[06:57] <izzyb> Ooo! cool! thanks contrast83 :)
[06:57] <Agent_bob> josh_ for me to set it up it will, someone else might be able to do dyn,  but i'm to green at this.    i am using a bridged setup right here.  with another linux box as a gateway.     here's a paste of the script that brings it up for me... http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5ed58466
[06:58] <contrast83> RancidKraut: Install synaptic and remove the packages whose names start with "adept". ;-) You'll just want to get the Gnome equivalent for whatever you remove - not really *required* but you might miss them otherwise.
[06:58] <contrast83> And those equivalents are: synaptic gnome-app-install update-manager update-notifier
[06:58] <josh_> ok thanks
[06:58] <Agent_bob> josh_ that setup makes this box transparent to the other two that are connected to it.    if that's not what you need maybe someone else can fill in the blanks.
[06:58] <RancidKraut> contrast83: Thanks. :) What do you mean by getting the Gnome equivalent though?
[06:58] <contrast83> izzyb: No prob... Anything else you miss from KDE? :-P
[06:59] <izzyb> hmm, not that I can think of off the top of my head. that was the big one :)
[07:00] <contrast83> RancidKraut: synaptic is gnome's equivalent of adept-manager, gnome-app-install is gnome's equivalent of adept-installer (Add/Remove...), etc.
[07:00] <contrast83> izzyb: Cool
[07:00] <RancidKraut> contrast83: Ah, ok great. :) Do you know the name of the update notifier, by chance?
[07:00] <contrast83> izzyb: Did you install the compiz-fusion-plugins-extra package?
[07:00] <contrast83> update-notifier ;-)
[07:00] <RancidKraut> Great :)
[07:00] <izzyb> oh, maybe my kde pager.  I had installed one that was compiz aware, but seem to have lost it :(
[07:01] <izzyb> I think so, but maybe that's what's missing
[07:01] <contrast83> izzyb: sudo apt-get install kicker-compiz kicker-taskbar-compiz
[07:01] <contrast83> the first one's the pager, just thought you might want the taskbar too
[07:03] <izzyb> contrast83, thanks.  that's what I was missing.
[07:04] <contrast83> np
[07:04] <contrast83> izzyb: You using Wall or Cube?
[07:04] <izzyb> I must have lost them when I tried to but the ATI proprietary driver in
[07:04] <izzyb> Cube
[07:05] <contrast83> izzyb: Manual install or through the drivers manager?
[07:05] <izzyb> Thought maybe my hanging issue was video related (still do) and maybe ATI's driver would fix it, but I couldn't get things working at all with it
[07:05] <contrast83> What card?
[07:05] <izzyb> I tried several things, including following a howto that had me remove all the compiz components and reinstall them
[07:06] <izzyb> ati x300
[07:07] <contrast83> Hmm... I guess I can thankfully say I haven't had much ATI experience - the old Radeon M6 on my lappy always worked fine and I had to hack at my grandfather's 200M for a few hours to get things proper, but aside from that I've always been on Intel and nVidia.
[07:08] <izzyb> yeah, this is an intel board, but with an intel video card (not sure which).  I added the x300 in
[07:08]  * sacha_ whispers... x200m now works with compiz on opensource driver
[07:08] <sacha_> as of 5 days ago
[07:08] <contrast83> sacha_: Ohh, don't tell me that. :-P
[07:08] <sacha_> you need git-mesa though
[07:09] <sacha_> the bug that stopped it from working for past 2 years was 3 lines of code in mesa
[07:09] <contrast83> Yeah... I think the open driver supported compiz back then but you pretty much had to compile all of X, Mesa, etc. for it.
[07:09] <Agent_bob> josh left didn't he ?
[07:09] <contrast83> looks that way
[07:09] <sacha_> open driver has worked with compiz since compiz existed.. but not for IGPs like x200 and x1250
[07:10] <sacha_> i had compiz/beryl working on my opensource radeon since they existed :)
[07:10] <Agent_bob> well i fixed an init script for him...    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6e80c565     maybe someone else can point to it if he comes back.
[07:10] <contrast83> sacha_: Same here, pretty much.
[07:10] <contrast83> Agent_bob: Will do
[07:10] <sacha_> now finally my x200m works flawlessly on something other than fglrx
[07:10] <Agent_bob> k thanks.    i'm went.
[07:11] <contrast83> Agent_bob: Speaking of init scripts, any idea why one would suddenly stop working? (It's one I put in myself, was working fine initially, now nothing.)
[07:11] <contrast83> fglrx is the work of the devil
[07:11] <Agent_bob> contrast83 pastebin it i'll give a look before i leave
[07:11] <contrast83> At least from my *very* limited experience
[07:12] <contrast83> Agent_bob: http://pastebin.ca/1015457 thanks
[07:14] <sacha_> i agree contrast
[07:15] <sacha_> i cant use fglrx and my tv.. its way too choppy
[07:15] <Agent_bob> contrast83 you have two mice or is that a lappy ?
[07:15] <sacha_> radeon on the other hand, has been smooth for 2 years
[07:15] <sacha_> and radeon is just reverse engineered from fglrx.. so what the hell
[07:17] <contrast83> Agent_bob: Two mice, one with 14 buttons, so I have to use the evdev driver to get all of them working.
[07:17] <Agent_bob> contrast83 the symbolic link that calls it still in your default runlevel and still S##something ?
[07:17] <contrast83> yep
[07:18] <Agent_bob> contrast83 i'm not seeing anything wrong with the script.    maybe   add at line 3    set -x        and call it with sudo to see what it's doing.
[07:18] <Agent_bob> that's a pretty common debugging tool
[07:19] <contrast83> Agent_bob: Well, it runs fine after boot... Would that still be worth trying?
[07:19] <corpxicle> uh, my installation of kubuntu doesnt quite work like i want it to, it quits out and claims it cant find some file or directory
[07:19] <Agent_bob> contrast83 ummm race condition ?    it may be running to soon or too late.
[07:20] <corpxicle> it seems to think the install media or the hdd is broked
[07:20] <Agent_bob> contrast83 that sounds like what's happening to you.   imo.
[07:20] <corpxicle> but i checked the install media and the hdd worked fine last monday, i only installed xubuntu on it a month ago
[07:21] <contrast83> Agent_bob: I've got it linked right before kdm. Maybe try putting it in init 3?
[07:21] <contrast83> s/init/runlevel/
[07:22] <Agent_bob> contrast83 that's probably too late.    upstart doesn't wait for things to finish like the old sysV system did     i think.   advance it a few notches and see if it works contrast83
[07:23] <Agent_bob> or retard kdm a few    either way should help
[07:23] <contrast83> Agent_bob: ahh, ok. i'll try that, thanks
[07:23] <Agent_bob> contrast83 welcome.   good luck with it.   i'm out now.
[07:24] <contrast83> peace
[07:25] <izzyb> is there an easy way to add icons for missing apps in the kmenu?
[07:26] <sacha_> izzyb: right click-> menu editor?
[07:26] <izzyb> no fancy command line thingy?
[07:29] <izzyb> the menu editor worked thanks :)
[08:03] <mike-kubuntu> hey guys, my flash doesnt work in 8.04
[08:05] <flaccid> !flash
[08:05] <flaccid> mike-kubuntu: in a browser, which one?
[08:05] <mike-kubuntu> flaccid: firefox 3
[08:07] <flaccid> mike-kubuntu: what do you have for dpkg -l | grep flashplugin
[08:09] <mike-kubuntu> plashplugin-nonfree <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[08:11] <flaccid> what happens when you goto http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ ?
[08:17] <mike-kubuntu> showave is not installed
[08:17] <mike-kubuntu> flash player is a blank
[08:18] <flaccid> mike-kubuntu: what does this command return: file /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[08:19] <mike-kubuntu>  /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
[08:19] <flaccid> hmmm if you start firefox from konsole do you get any errors/warnings etc.?
[08:22] <mike-kubuntu> huh, errors on the command line, a ton, but flash works now when i start from konsole
[08:23] <flaccid> can you pastebin those errors?
[08:24] <mike-kubuntu> sure
[08:25] <mike-kubuntu> http://pastebin.com/m3ae9ae88
[08:26] <mike-kubuntu> it seems to be working tnow though, which is wierd
[08:27] <mike-kubuntu> i think trying to view a video kills it
[08:27] <flaccid> what is your dpkg -l | grep firefox?
[08:28] <mike-kubuntu> ii  firefox                                    3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3                   meta package for the popular mozilla web bro
[08:29] <flaccid> is that it?
[08:31] <mike-kubuntu> well, theres the non meta package, but its the same verision, thene theres
[08:31] <mike-kubuntu> ii  mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb               <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu4                          Mozilla Firefox English language/region pack
[08:33] <flaccid> so you have ii  firefox-3.0                                3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 ?
[08:36] <flaccid> if so seems like some bug in the plugin itself possibly
[08:36] <mike-kubuntu> yeah, wouldn't be suprised if it is
[08:36] <mike-kubuntu> myb rother has the same errors using ubuntu
[08:37] <flaccid> looks like it was in v8 as well
[08:53] <LimCore> hello
[08:53] <LimCore> how to use most recent nvidia drivers? since the glx-new seem to be crashing
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> hey all, is there some sortof deadline for KDE apps to move over to KDE4 or is it more fuzzy than that?
[09:21] <ealx> hi
[09:22] <ealx> how can I change the icon theme in kde3 of the gtk applications?
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/16746/How-to-change-themes-in-Kubuntu.html
[09:25] <ealx> thanks
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> np
[09:26] <ealx> ActionParship I don't want to change the kde theme
[09:26] <ealx> but the iconsì theme of gtk applications
[09:26] <ealx> do you understand?
[09:26] <ealx> I want to integrate the aspect of gtk applications to my kubuntu box
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> ealx: is it specific apps ?
[09:27] <ealx> no, for example gimp
[09:27] <ealx> or firefox
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> then you need www.kde-look.org
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> there should be icon packs for each app on there
[09:28] <ealx> and how can I apply the icon pack of gimp ?
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> http://www.aqua-soft.org/board/showthread.php?t=1272
[09:29] <ealx> i don't understand
[09:30] <ealx> I want to set the theme gartoon for the gtk applications
[09:30] <ealx> for exemple
[09:30] <ealx> how can I do this?
[09:30] <izzyb> hmm, seem to have lost my window handles.  any idea what would cause this and how to fix it?
[09:31]  * izzyb running compiz
[09:36] <Bert_2> hi, I'm running amarok and kopete in the gnome based ubuntu and they keep on taking sound away from eachother and sometimes they even crash eachother, can someone know why they do that and how to fix it ?
[09:46]  * izzyb got his window handles back after a crash forced him to reboot
[10:24] <sredna> hello
[10:24] <sredna> what is the 32bit firefox package?
[10:24] <sredna> emulated, for my 64bit box
[10:32] <Dorgendubal> I have a strange problem. In all games I'm testing, I have no sound. However, my sound card does work in all other cases (kde, flash, amarok, mplayer, etc...). When starting a game from the command line, I'm always getting the following: "Couldn't open audio: No available audio device". What is missing? Thank you in advance
[10:39] <LilSarge> hello fellas
[10:56] <prateek> hello...i use winxp,kubuntu dual boot..kubuntu hasnt mounted my all partitions..how can i tell it to mount them
[10:56] <prateek> kubuntu has mounted 1 out of 4
[10:56] <sacha_> sudo update-grub ?
[10:57] <sacha_> in worst case scenario, you have to manually update them
[10:57] <sacha_> there's a KDE program for doing that
[10:57] <prateek> help!
[10:58] <sacha_> huh?
[10:58] <ubunturos> !ask | prateek
[10:58] <posingaspopular> !mount
[10:59] <sacha_> oh sorry mounted, somehow i read boot
[10:59] <sacha_> ignore me
[10:59] <prateek> sacha_:k
[11:01] <prateek> kubuntu has no longer mounted my NTFS partitions
[11:01] <prateek> !ask | prateek
[11:02] <zetheroo> I really need someone to help me get KIPI working in Gwenview
[11:02] <zetheroo> please help
[11:03] <sacha_> prateek: did you uninstall ntfs-3g at all??
[11:03] <sacha_> thats needed for reading and writing to ntfs
[11:04] <Pennycook> prateek: Have you only just installed kubuntu?
[11:04] <prateek> sacha_: ummm  since i use 7.10 so i thot it was primstalled
[11:04] <prateek> Pennycook: 7.10+xp dualboot
[11:04] <Pennycook> Yeah, but is it a fresh install?
[11:04] <prateek> priinstalled (cant spell it
[11:04] <sacha_> did it used to work and now doesnt prateek?
[11:05] <prateek> sacha_: its really funny...yesterday a trojan horse sucked up winxp..i see BSOD on boot..however safe mode works cool...all partitions are intact
[11:06] <sacha_> that sucks :(
[11:06] <prateek> but kubuntu has now suddenly forgotten to mount NTFS
[11:06] <prateek> how can trojan in xp effect kubuntu
[11:06] <sacha_> ohh its only after this trojan horse and BSOD that now it doesnt recognise NTFS?
[11:06] <prateek> sacha_: Exactly
[11:06] <SlimeyPete> maybe it messed with the filesystem.
[11:06] <Pennycook> Kubuntu can't mount an NTFS drive that wasn't shut down cleanly.
[11:06] <sacha_> yeah maybe your filesystem in windows is screwed or something
[11:07] <SlimeyPete> which might prevent kubuntu from being able to mount it.
[11:07] <SlimeyPete> !ntfsfix
[11:07] <SlimeyPete> hrm
[11:07] <prateek> SlimeyPete: may be...but safemode  (xp) shows everything tight
[11:07] <prateek> right
[11:07] <sacha_> Pennycook: ah really? cool i learn new stuff :)
[11:07] <prateek> SlimeyPete: so wot can i do..
[11:07] <prateek> well its not fair
[11:07] <prateek> kubuntu should be little more understanding
[11:07] <sacha_> prateek: well just get windows to shut down correctly..
[11:08] <prateek> sacha_: i know this stuff!
[11:08] <Pennycook> prateek: It's not Kubuntu's fault. It's there to stop you from mounting a drive that's still in use etc etc
[11:08] <prateek> i did it..i opened in safemode
[11:08] <zetheroo> I need help getting KIPI to work in Gwenview
[11:08] <prateek> and shut it down
[11:08] <sacha_> prateek: and you shut it down normally?
[11:08] <zetheroo> please help
[11:08] <prateek> sacha_: yes...sure
[11:08] <sacha_> prateek: i think you need to run it in normal mode
[11:08] <Pennycook> prateek: If you're certain that it was shut down cleanly, then there's a "force" option.
[11:08] <prateek> sacha_: i get BSOD on normal mode
[11:08] <sacha_> to it can do checks to make sure disk is ok i think
[11:08] <prateek> oh!
[11:09] <sacha_> oh ok, you still get bsod :( follow Pennycook advice
[11:09] <prateek> when i click Media oin root
[11:09] <prateek> i see all the drives
[11:09] <prateek> !
[11:09] <sacha_> sudo mount /dev/???? --force
[11:09] <sacha_> ?
[11:09] <prateek> wait wait
[11:09] <sacha_> oh, so its ok?
[11:09] <prateek> i can see all the drives..
[11:09] <prateek> but the Windows parttions is 4 KB!
[11:09] <sacha_> lol..
[11:09] <prateek> and its clean
[11:09] <prateek> Ya!
[11:10] <prateek> all 4 parttions are 4-5 KB
[11:10] <sacha_> lol..
[11:10] <prateek> and dont have data
[11:10] <Pennycook> Then they're not mounted.
[11:10] <prateek> so Kubuntu has mounted them
[11:10] <prateek> Pennycook: Well
[11:10] <prateek> can u plz tell force command
[11:10] <Pennycook> You can see the file locations where they would be mounted.
[11:10] <prateek> Pennycook: ya
[11:11] <zetheroo> anyone?
[11:11] <prateek> Pennycook: plz tell force command
[11:12] <sacha_> prateek: run `df' and find the location of the drives you want
[11:12] <sacha_> it will be /dev/????
[11:12] <Pennycook> prateek: It'll be something like "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 -o force", where /dev/sdb1 is the device you want to mount and /media/sdb1 where you think it should be mounted.
[11:12] <Pennycook> Or you can edit your fstab
[11:12] <sacha_> he wont need to say /media because its already linked in fstab though
[11:13] <prateek> so..
[11:13] <prateek> wot exactly i have to do?
[11:13] <sacha_> prateek: hang on
[11:13] <sacha_> The latest ntfs-3g release can also repair and mount uncleanly shutdown Windows or not properly detached removable disks if the "force" mount option is used. Earlier releases always refused to mount and required Windows to fix the damage it left behind.
[11:13] <Pennycook> Oh, true enough. If your /etc/fstab is in tact (which it should be) just locate all of the lines that mention ntfs-3g and make sure the options read "defaults,force 0 0"
[11:14] <Pennycook> Then run "mount -a"
[11:14] <sacha_> or... prateek: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 -o force
[11:14] <prateek> its 0 1 in NTFS
[11:14] <sacha_> where /dev/sda1 is the one you want
[11:15] <corpxicle> is there a known problem installing kubuntu ? i get a "file not found" error at 70% or so when installing
[11:15] <corpxicle> no such problem with xubuntu ( older version )
[11:15] <sacha_> corpxicle: maybe you burnt cd too fast and got corruption?
[11:15] <Pennycook> corpxicle: Did your disc pass the "test media" option?
[11:15] <corpxicle> it did pass the test media option
[11:15] <corpxicle> first thing i tried =P
[11:15] <sacha_> is it the release version off website?
[11:15] <prateek> sacha_: it printed a hell lot of commands
[11:16] <corpxicle> i downloaded this last week
[11:16] <sacha_> prateek: saying what?
[11:16] <prateek> sacha_: well the output of mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 -o force
[11:16] <prateek> it printed like i typed MAN MOUNT
[11:16] <sacha_> prateek: did you first identify the /dev/???? you want with 'df' ?
[11:17] <prateek> oh!
[11:17] <prateek> sorry...its media/sda1
[11:17] <prateek> lemme correct
[11:17] <prateek> same responce
[11:17] <sacha_> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o force
[11:19] <prateek> sacha_: you did it frined
[11:19] <prateek> friend!
[11:19] <prateek> its mounted!
[11:19] <sacha_> :P
[11:19] <sacha_> and do that for all the 4 partitions
[11:19] <prateek> kk
[11:19] <sacha_> cause ntfs-3g autofixes your corrupt ntfs partitions now
[11:20] <Pennycook> prateek: To stop it happening again, you can add the force option to your fstab.
[11:20] <prateek> yes..u told to change 01 to 00?
[11:20] <Pennycook> Keep it as 0 1 if that's what it is
[11:20] <Pennycook> Just add force
[11:21] <prateek> well how?
[11:21] <prateek> Ok!
[11:21] <prateek> thanks!
[11:24] <tinin> Hi, how could I hide system folders in konqueror? Just to simplify the experience to a friend
[11:25] <sivaji> how to hide my ip address from freenode channels
[11:26] <posingaspopular> !cloak
[11:28] <sivaji> posingaspopular do i need to donate anything for this
[11:29] <posingaspopular> no you dont have to
[11:29] <Tidus> donations are always welcome though :)
[11:29] <Pennycook> tinin: If you mean from /, I don't know that there is a way to hide the files that are there.  You could try creating an index.html in the directory and enabling the "View > index.html" option. If it's blank, they'll see nothing when they go to /.
[11:30] <Pennycook> Or of course you could put in some explanatory "Disable this option to see the contents of this directory" like Windows does.
[11:30] <tinin> I remember this was done in kubuntu 6.10 They only showed the home and media directories under /
[11:31] <sivaji> posingaspopular one more problem i dont remember my freenode passwd , how to reset it ?
[11:32] <sivaji> i am searching that webpage to reset my passwd but i dont find the procedure to do that .
[11:33] <Pennycook> tinin: Ah okay, I've never come across that before, sorry.
[11:33] <posingaspopular> ah you can have it emailed to you again
[11:34] <prateek> the problem boy is back
[11:34] <sacha_> uh oh.. runnn
[11:35] <prateek> see...this is wired i change my resolution to 1024x768 everytime
[11:35] <prateek> and after reboot and i get the 800x600 again
[11:35] <sacha_> an old intel card? 915resolution?
[11:35] <prateek> no
[11:35] <prateek> 945
[11:35] <sacha_> yeah same thing
[11:35] <Pennycook> tinin: Some Googling reveals that a .hidden file in the root directory can hide files. Just fill it with a list of everything youw ant hidden.
[11:35] <sacha_> prateek: have you tried 915resolution?
[11:36] <prateek> 915? what does dat mean.
[11:36] <sacha_> its a program, `915resolution'
[11:36] <prateek> and i hv a Core2duo
[11:36] <prateek> 128 grpahics onboard
[11:36] <sacha_> sudo apt-get it
[11:37] <tinin> Pennycook thanx, I was reading about that too
[11:37] <prateek> i am able to move upto 1400x1500 resolution
[11:38] <prateek> so i think my graphics part is cool...kubuntu recognises it good
[11:38] <prateek> but it cant remember my resolution
[11:39] <prateek> like regedit in windows isnt  there a place in in kubuntu where i can add some lines (in this case xrandr -s 1024x768) and get it processed at startup?
[11:40] <prateek> well...sacha_
[11:46] <prateek> bad..bad responce
[11:46] <prateek> se
[11:59] <holyguyver_> what terminal cammand can I use to clean out my temp internet files & temp files?
[12:10] <cinex> hi
[12:10] <pag> hi cinex :)
[12:11] <cinex> I am trying to get the kde4 konqueror to be the default one. I have linked the bin files konqueror and kfmclient to /usr/lib/kde4/bin but it still opens the old one. (using the system menu aplet and default kmenu entry)
[12:11] <cinex> is there something else I have to do
[12:11] <cinex> ?
[12:12] <pag> cinex, depends.. what command does the menu entry use?
[12:13] <cinex> kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing
[12:13] <cinex> 04 /usr/bin/kfmclient -> /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kfmclient
[12:14] <pag> cinex, try changing it to /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror  or something..
[12:14] <cinex> i could do yeah. good idea
[12:14] <cinex> first though. im looking in  /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu
[12:15] <cinex> which is the wrong file
[12:17] <jussi01> this is real weird, im getting all my numbers in a weird font... curious... anyone else getting this/know a fix? the rest of the text is fine...
[12:19]  * Xerxes is away: Gone away for now.
[12:20] <jussi01> !away | poisonblack|away
[12:21] <poisonblack|away> ubottu: sorry...I was trying out all the features of my irc client..:(
[12:22] <wesley> !adeptfix
[12:25] <neville_> I keep getting this from kcontrol when I try to calibrate an old USB gamepad I found. It works in windows vm, but here it works for a short time, before appearing to freeze up with "Failed to set joystick /dev/input/js0 correction values: No such device"
[12:25] <neville_> Is there anything that could be wrong?
[12:26] <norman_x> hi out there. to wich group I need to add the user, so that kradio can use port /dev/radio0?
[12:34] <_phoenix_> how can i use ktorrent with tor?
[12:36] <flaccid> _phoenix_: open the .torrent file/location with ktorrent
[12:37] <Dr_willis> You normally DONT want to use torrents with tor.
[12:37] <Dr_willis> You may want to websurf for the .torrent files in a browser with tor enabled.
[12:37] <_phoenix_> what?
[12:37] <_phoenix_> i have no directory callet .torrent
[12:38] <Dr_willis>  a .torrent file is what you send to the torrent client to download the torrent files.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> kubuntu_iso.torrent   for example
[12:47] <_phoenix_> thats nonsense
[12:48] <Dr_willis> _phoenix_,  You are not being very clear yourself.
[12:48] <_phoenix_> cant i say my 4th layer (osi system) to conect always to tor?
[12:50] <Dr_willis> I recall the TOR faq/web site discussing why you dont want  to have your torrent client using 'tor'
[12:50] <Dr_willis> In short. It adds a lot of load to the  tor network, and really really slows things down for the torrent client. (i belive was the whole gist of the discussion)
[12:51] <Stroganoff> _phoenix_ i think TOR only works with SOCKS proxy cabable clients
[12:52] <_phoenix_> yea it do it but it must be possible to do it
[12:52] <Stroganoff> if you want anonymous filesharing, try bittorrent-over-i2p, bittorrent-over-freenet or http://www.stealthnet.de/en_index.php
[12:52] <Dr_willis> http://digg.com/software/Why_You_Shouldn_t_Run_BitTorrent_Over_Tor
[12:53] <daniftodi> !ro
[12:54] <kblin> hi
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. seems that Tor Exit Node administrators: - can actually block torrents from using their nodes
[12:55] <kblin> is there any way to tell ld to not complain about 32bit compat libs when linking a 64bit app
[12:55] <kblin> ?
[12:55] <kblin> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libcrypt.so when searching for -lcrypt <-- like that
[12:56] <Stroganoff> Dr_willis no they can only block port ranges
[12:57] <Dr_willis> Stroganoff,  yea. reading the comments on that page now.
[12:58] <Dr_willis> I could see where using tor to get to the trackers would be handy. but one wouldent want to send all the data through tor.
[13:04] <phanto1> Hi how can I get the panel back?
[13:04] <phanto1> KDE4
[13:04] <phanto1> Kicker equiwalent in KDE 4
[13:05] <phanto1> Please help
[13:08] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[13:08] <phanto1> Didnt meane to scare you all off
[13:08] <phanto1> Thanx
[13:08] <Dr_willis> kde4 is very much a work in progress..    :) i dont use it.
[13:11] <phanto1> I know, Im joust getting familiar with it if there is a quick fix to my problem Ileave it instaled
[13:12] <Dr_willis> thre may be some kde4-kicker program.. then again the kde4 panel  was just another plasmid applet I thought.  -
[13:13] <Dr_willis> aparently kicker was in need of a lot of updates/chages. :)
[13:14] <phanto1> Thanx I leave it with Awn
[13:15] <Przemek1910> zapraszam na www.sonygsm.nmj.pl
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[14:03] <roger__> hi
[14:05] <roger__> anyone playing wow in ubuntu here ?
[14:05] <Dr_willis> Ive heard of it being played in WINE. :)
[14:05] <Dr_willis> !wow
[14:05] <roger__> cool, thx
[14:06] <Jucato> #winehq as well
[14:07] <emilsedgh> hm, how could i interact with an ipod? (not for music, for pictures)
[14:08] <emilsedgh> is there any application or something like that?
[14:08] <emilsedgh> i found an kio slave but it didnt look good
[14:08] <Dr_willis> it should show up as a usb hard drive - i thought
[14:08] <emilsedgh> s/an /a /
[14:08] <kblin> Dr_willis: the proper capitalization is "Wine", btw
[14:08] <Dr_willis> !ipod
[14:09] <Dr_willis> >hic<

[14:09] <Dr_willis> kblin,  only my wife can nag me. :)
[14:09] <emilsedgh> thanks
[14:09] <emilsedgh> !rockbox
[14:10] <kblin> Dr_willis: then probably </smartass> ;)
[14:10] <Dr_willis> i was going to say anal retentive.. but i cant spell it. :)
[14:10] <Dr_willis> Was wine 1.0 released yet? I recallseeing some info on it the other day
[14:11] <kblin> current is 1.0.0rc1
[14:11] <kblin> still in code freeze
[14:11] <Dr_willis> rc - ahh thats what i saw on the news sites.
[14:11] <kblin> lots of bugs to fix
[14:12] <Dr_willis> Catching up on the latest news :)
[14:15] <Dr_willis> Someone built a 'gun' that fires floppy disks... :)
[14:30] <foxen> hola
[14:32] <asdfe> ?es > foxen
[14:32] <asdfe> !es  > foxen
[14:33] <therion_> !PureKde
[14:39] <vasilisa> #ubuntu
[14:39] <vasilisa> oops
[14:43] <Zefir> I'm using Kubuntu 8.04, I have a Geforce 8800 GTS 320 MB. For quite some time I've had infuriating problems with configuring my graphics driver.  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
[14:46] <jhutchins_wk> Zefir: WEll, no resume image isn't really an error, it's just saying the system's not in a suspend/resume mode.
[14:46] <jhutchins_wk> Zefir: Are you using the drivers from kubuntu or from Nvidia?
[14:46] <Zefir> I'm using the "nvidia" driver downloaded via Adept.
[14:47] <PeaceMakr> morning folks, pls tell mke, is there a konversation guru here?
[14:47] <PeaceMakr> me
[14:47] <Zefir> Weird thing is, the kinit error coincides with driver installation, even though it isn't connected.
[14:48] <Zefir> I tried configuring the drivers in different ways, Hardware Drivers Manager from the K menu, EnvyNG or just plain System Settings and then Display...
[14:49] <ghostcube> hi folks ShowAllWindows=false in  [General] section of ~/.kde/share/config/ktaskbarrc isnt working anymore for kde 3.5.9 if u use compiz-taskbar any ideas why ?
[14:49] <ghostcube> perhaps its not working in 3.5.8 too i think so
[14:49] <ahmed> hi i have proplem with ntfs partition it cannt see it in storage media i was using ntfsconfig
[14:51] <usuario_> hola  hay  algien que quiera  chat
[14:54] <steven__> hi, any one know a command line command that would return a list of the names of all the installed programs on the computer?
[14:55] <kalorin> ls /bin and ls /sbin
[14:55] <kalorin> and the other install places?
[14:55] <genii> !clone
[14:55] <genii> steven__: See the --get-selections part the bot just described
[14:56] <NightBird> unless of course, that's exactly what he wants to have happen, in which case, use all of it :P
[14:56] <kalorin> or just hit tab a couple of times until the list appears :)
[14:57] <steven__> kalorin that is some thing like I was thinking of, but only the default programs removed from that list
[14:57] <kalorin> default programs?
[14:57] <kalorin> I get what you're saying but unix/linux doesn't usually have "default" programs per say
[14:57] <kalorin> it's all modular
[14:57] <steven__> you know like what would be installed when you first install kubuntu
[14:57] <kalorin> be hard to seperate them
[14:58] <kalorin> ah
[14:58] <ahmed> i have proplem with ntfs partition it cannt see it in storage media i was using ntfsconfig
[14:59] <Pennycook> steven__: You could probably write a script for it that would run ls /bin and remove the applications you don't want to see.  You'd have to compile the list of applications to hide manually, though
[15:03] <Choreboy> Can WINE access a Windows partition and run programs from there?
[15:03] <steven__> I am trying what ubottu said, I do not seem to see the file in the root dir?
[15:03] <luke_> i hate to sound like a fool but i just installed ubuntu and im trying to sort out a bunch of stuff. can i set it so that i dont need to enter a password ever? im the only person who ever uses the comp so it seems a waste of time and a pain
[15:05] <genii> luke_: Somewhat not recommended but add line of: myusername ALL=(ALL) ALL   to /etc/sudoers
[15:05] <genii> bah he left
[15:06] <wimpies> xvncviewer has been obsoleted.  What replaces it ?
[15:06] <Zefir> I'm using Kubuntu 8.04, I have a Geforce 8800 GTS 320 MB. For quite some time I've had infuriating problems with configuring my graphics driver.  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
[15:09] <Choreboy> j/ #wine
[15:09] <Choreboy> whoops
[15:15] <flaccid> change !kde4 to advise installing kubuntu-kde4-desktop instead of just core please
[15:15] <Jucato> !kde4
[15:16] <Jucato> flaccid: where?
[15:16] <flaccid> somewhere appropriate whether its http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php or somewhere else. comes down to what the protocol should be.
[15:17] <flaccid> i just followed above and thus didn't install everything... thus why im like um there is not much kde4 apps
[15:18] <Jucato> flaccid: that's not my call to make. Riddell writes the announcements (mostly). And I'm guessing those instructions are for those who don't want a full blown kubuntu-kde4 install (like installing only basic KDE 4 stuff)
[15:18] <flaccid> this does not cater for people who installed kubunt-desktop and then want the equiv in kde4
[15:19] <flaccid> Riddell: what do you think
[15:19] <NightBird> .... huh.... libc6-dev isn't available by default on the alternative cd...
[15:19] <CrashMaster> Who's ready for the next batch of stupid questions from CrashMaster?
[15:19] <NightBird> oh well, I need to go shower then go to work