[08:14] <Myrtti> personally think it's a bad idea, but they must have enough economics experts whispering in the ear to justify it
[08:14] <Myrtti> time of day everyone
[11:57] <daftykins> afty
[11:57]  * daftykins consumes coffee #1
[12:11] <zxm-pi> listening to economic experts during a pandemic... just what the doctor ordered
[12:11]  * zxm-pi heads for 2nd mug of tea
[14:13] <bigcalm> Ahoyhoy
[14:19] <zxm-pi> o/
[14:34] <daftykins> \o
[14:58] <m0nkey_> We're getting close to opening up over here. We're just a handful of cases each day in the province. Alberta removed all restrictions the other day.
[15:00] <m0nkey_> While I agree the restrictions are necessary, it's now getting to the point (at least here in Quebec) that we can start treating it more like the flu. We have a high vaccination rate and the aim is to have 75-80% of the Quebec population fully vaccinated by end of August.
[15:01] <m0nkey_> I get my second vaccine in two weeks. Hoping soon I'll be able to visit the UK in Sept/Oct time.
[15:06] <m0nkey_> Myrtti: If I do end up visiting, it'll be nice to see you & D.
[15:08] <Myrtti> September is a tough time with the weekday necessity of being home, but yes.
[15:10] <Myrtti> I've not even dreamt of seeing my family this year. it's close to three years now that we've seen
[15:33] <m0nkey_> Fingers crossed you get to see them soon.
[15:38] <bigcalm> Client's message in response to being told we don't do Friday deployments/launches: We have told clients the site will be live on Monday, so if we cant launch on Friday then I supposed it will need to be Monday morning.
[15:39] <bigcalm> Why don't clients ask developers when they can deploy before telling the world when things will happen?
[15:46] <daftykins> launch shouldn't even mean customer facing launch, should be a 24 hour dry run :(
[15:49] <zxm-pi> when has a masive deploymen ever gone wrong? :-P
[15:52] <zxm-pi> my personal facvourite was we installed it on a friday evening ready for monday. storm that night caused building next door to collapse and drop rocks on shiny new server. that was a busy weekend :-)
[15:54] <bigcalm> Ouch
[15:56] <zxm-pi> luckily when rain soaked rocks hit the server they tripped the power which saved the server. took a microwave sized rock off the pc. used lump hammer to beat it back into shape. dusted off and used hair dryer on motherboard. plugged in. switched on. IT'S *ALIVE* \o/
[15:57] <zxm-pi> back when pcs were made with solid steel cases
[15:58] <zxm-pi> big secuity company. was cool to see all the contractors they had on retainer. electricians, glaziers, carpeting all in and out and building fixed by monday morning
[16:08] <daftykins> xD
[16:08] <daftykins> then the HDDs failed Tuesday morning...
[16:09] <bigcalm> I would have expected quite a bit of shock damage. Especially if the heads were moving at the time
[16:10] <zxm-pi> hdds.... 1 single 110mb esdi drive blessed by novell :-D
[16:10] <daftykins> me too
[16:11] <zxm-pi> drive was a full height tank that could have been used as a door stop while in use :-)
[16:12] <zxm-pi> i'm sure it was last esdi drive we ever used
[16:14] <zxm-pi> no wait, 3rd last. we got another one, filled it up in a week and then got a 330mb one for office server. that was the last
[16:28] <bigcalm> Google image search for esdi does not return the results I was expecting here
[16:32] <zxm-pi> pre www https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Small_Disk_Interface
[16:32] <zxm-pi> solid tech. just. kept. running.
[16:44] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/thenaughtysquid/status/1412450241027117058
[16:46] <daftykins> xD
[16:54] <bigcalm> Silly
[16:56] <daftykins> my pal who works for Apple in CA but is from Guernsey, his cousin is the creator of ogre3d - https://www.ogre3d.org/
[16:57] <daftykins> ah he retired
[17:39] <daftykins> interesting these web services that don't recognise £ as a "special character"
[17:43] <zxm-pi> every irish developer wants to meet the genius who decided that ' was special in sql :-D
[17:44] <daftykins> xD
[17:45] <diddledan> Sql, O'Lordy
[17:45] <zxm-pi> you do not want that many annoyed o'briens and o'neills annoyed at you
[17:46] <daftykins> just logged into my Oracle Cloud free account 'cause i feel like i should accept their default iptables config but it seemed to be a chore to let me open ports last time
[23:34] <daftykins> to bedski!
[23:37] <zxm-pi> o/


[14:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: how do you capture the dvb streams? i need a "better" rct stream since the one i have has no info_links
[14:50] <tsdgeos> that is the "hard" part
[14:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I used gstreamer for that
[14:51] <tsdgeos> dvbsrc ?
[14:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes, and filesink
[14:51] <tsdgeos> do oyu have the command line at hand?
[14:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, `gst-launch-0.10 dvbsrc name=dvbsrc frequency=xxx000000 bandwidth=x adapter=0 frontend=0 ! filesink location=stream.ts` should work
[14:53] <tsdgeos> awesome
[14:53] <Saviq> you can drop the name=dvbsrc
[14:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but TBH I doubt you'll get anything better than BBC sends
[14:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: should bandwidth be 8, 8Mhz, 8000000 ?
[14:55] <tsdgeos> 8
[14:55] <tsdgeos> otherwise it complains :D
[14:57]  * tsdgeos looks at how fast the .ts file grows
[14:57] <tsdgeos> and complains about all that information going through him all the time
[14:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 3 is AUTO, so should be fine, IIUC 8 shouldn't work ;)
[14:58] <tsdgeos> it worked :D
[15:15] <tsdgeos> yeah didn't get any rct info here


[02:15] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
 Heyo!
[02:41] <viewer|92> hello i just installed kubuntu 18 lts and i have file copy issues with permissions denied is there a fix or a terminal command to fix all the write to usb and sata devices for a freash install?
[12:06] <me> Hi,
[12:07] <Guest84459> Got a problem with 19.10. I always remat switching windows to alt-space but in this implementation I can only rotate between two "nearest" windows.
[12:07] <Guest84459> *remap
[12:07] <Guest84459> Any idea on how fit this?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy al
[12:18] <BluesKaj> all
[15:15] <juanc> ¡hola!
[15:16] <juanc> ¡hola!joanna
[15:17] <suntimes> hi. I have an fresh and up to date install of kubuntu its famous but my headphone headset have a probleme of disconnect after 45seconds, 1 mins of playing music (youtube, vlc, etc ...). I have installed gnome and the problem did'nt appear. my usb headset work fine. any can help me ?
[15:18] <suntimes> I want to return on kde :)
[15:20] <suntimes> mm I did'nt give it to you full details
[15:20] <suntimes> the problem appear when I use the profile AD2P (I have made the fix on the wiki of bluetooth)
[16:15] <mispp4> hey people, which package provides Qt5QmlConfig.cmake
[16:17] <RikMills> mispp4: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=eoan&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=Qt5QmlConfig.cmake
[16:18] <mispp4> thanks
 Hello again
 I switched to Kubuntu 18.04 as my primary OS from ZorinOS 15 Core
 Trying to install i3
 Am not able to login
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/twbv81S9/file_20030.jpg
 @Rutvikm, Its stuck here. What should I do?
 @Rutvikm, you forgot your password?
 @Rutvikm, check your password
 The password was correct. I got some info from the i3 group. It was related to i3 handling of wallpaper.
 👍🏻 for the observation though @bauchhaus @carolinaaeh
 Also, even without i3, this is twice the speed of Gnome on ma machine
 And looks a lot better as well
 Cheers
[18:05] <nescius> Hi, is there a on screen keyboard in KDE?
[18:06] <nescius> there is one usefull on a login screen, but when logged in, there is nothing ... ???
[18:07] <nescius> it used to have one back around 2012, does anyone know where can I find one?
[20:24] <nescius> hi, i am unable to switch to TTY, when i do, screen freezes and does nothing untill i give up and switch back to ctrl+alt+f1and then it has cochones to ask for password.. very anoying and blocker for further troubleshooting.
[20:29] <nescius> ...i would like to get wayland working on kubuntu 18.04, or go back to gnome as it has some working support for on screen keyboard
[20:32] <nescius> but this time wayland crashes on starting, i would like to start it with logs (tty would be the easiest option, if it would *** work)
[20:36] <nescius> perhaps i should try 19.10 first
[20:44] <bprompt> nescius:  well, you can always just install Ubuntu which uses Wayland, and then on top of that install kde-desktop
[23:03] <valorie> !wayland


[13:10] <spoky99> hi all
[13:10] <spoky99> someone could help me with mythwelcome?
[13:10] <spoky99> it refuse shutdown
[13:11] <spoky99> mythshutdown --check show me "Not OK to shutdown"
[13:11] <spoky99> how can I understand why?
[13:18] <Jay2k1> spoky99 check its return code
[13:18] <Jay2k1> err, exit code
[13:22] <spoky99> Mythshutdown: --status or Mythshutdown: --check?
[13:22] <spoky99> status = 32 check = 1
[13:26] <Jay2k1> status actually
[13:26] <Jay2k1> https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythshutdown#Querying_the_system_status
[13:26] <Jay2k1> queued or pending jobs
[13:37] <spoky99> I understand reading in mythweb the job queue
[13:38] <spoky99> (I didn't know that mythweb show the job queue!)
[13:39] <spoky99> the pending job are metadate search
[13:39] <Jay2k1> :)
[13:39] <spoky99> metadata search
[13:39] <spoky99> I'm searcing how disable it or make it work


[09:27] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:38] <tjaalton> howdy
[10:46] <mlankhorst> wee
[10:46] <mlankhorst> #5  0x00007f9938311772 in AccelerationDefaultCleanup (dev=0x7f9939230d30) at ../../dix/ptrveloc.c:166
[10:56] <mlankhorst> lol found it
[10:56] <mlankhorst> http://pastebin.com/PRMh2d8s
[10:57] <mlankhorst> Unless I'm mistaken, that means priv->num_active_touches went negative..
[10:58] <mlankhorst> and I'm guessing if it went really really negative it would explain the corruption in xi
[10:59] <mlankhorst> valgrind ftw
[11:15] <tjaalton> whee :)
[11:16] <tjaalton> quantal archive mirroring.. 20% done
[11:19] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: so you were given the "nice" task of lts backports.. guess we still want to discuss whether a separate pocket is better than the renaming mess
[11:19] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: was just looking at synaptics corruption, think I found it though
[11:20] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: did you use current upstream code? there were some recent changes
[11:20] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: was just looking at reproducing the bug, triggering was easy to isolate
[11:21] <tjaalton> i've not had issues with synaptics myself, so don't know the details.. guess the hardest ones were related to apple hw
[11:22] <mlankhorst> but I'll try upstream, at least I have a clue where the corruption is occuring now.
[11:22] <mlankhorst> UpdateTouchState
[11:41] <mlankhorst> cnd: Ping?
[15:47] <cnd> mlankhorst, pong
[21:24] <Sarvatt> bryceh: would ya mind trying syncpackage -d sid -r quantal libxfont periodically through the afternoon to fix X in quantal?
[21:25] <Sarvatt> for http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.x/106472
[21:26] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ok
[21:27] <Sarvatt> everyones crazy and updating to quantal already for UDS apparently :P
[21:27] <Sarvatt> (see #ubuntu-desktop)
[21:27] <bryceh> hmm, I get gnomekeyring.IOError
[21:28] <Sarvatt> multiple keys with your signing key not the default one maybe?
[21:31] <Sarvatt> bryceh: maybe manually run gnome-keyring first?
[21:32] <Sarvatt> someone in one bug with that error saying they get that when they have autologin turned on
[21:32] <Sarvatt> and manually starting gnome-keyring before it works, but thats a long shot
[21:35] <bryceh> hmm, auto login is off on this machine


[00:39] <sbeattie> MarkDude: you mean ping²?
[00:41] <MarkDude> EXACTLY sbeattie
[01:50] <bkerensa> albrigha: yes?
[01:50] <bkerensa> MarkDude: yes?
[01:52] <MarkDude> Hey there dude
[01:52] <MarkDude> Wanted to know about you appearing on tatica's podcast
[01:52] <MarkDude> She has been doing Google hangouts
[01:53] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Sure but it would have to be after the global jam on the 4th.... I'm pretty busy until then
[01:53] <bkerensa> I still have to do a talk at PSU for blkperl and a talk at WOU here soon
[01:54] <MarkDude> Fair enough
[01:54] <MarkDude> trying to plan out the next few month or so
[01:55] <MarkDude> Want to promote how you do things in the state
[01:55]  * MarkDude thinks its good to give everyone Ubuntu cds, and hide the Fedora ones, but have them if folks ask
[01:55] <MarkDude> You know.... all your #likeaboss ness
[01:55] <MarkDude> :)
[02:00] <bkerensa> Well albrigha I have to go but Ill be on either late tonight or tomorrow.... Taco night and all :)
[02:01] <MarkDude> Enjoy the tacos Sir
[02:14] <blkperl> bkerensa: i own your schedule muahahah :)
[02:15] <blkperl> so next week right? ;)
[02:15] <blkperl> well this friday
[02:22] <bkerensa> blkperl: The 9th
[02:23] <blkperl> ok
[07:10] <bkerensa> blkperl: You have a digital projector right?
[16:38] <blkperl> bkerensa: yep
[20:37] <bkerensa> Good Morning all
[20:37] <bkerensa> alrbigha: sup?
[22:38] <c_smith> hyello
[23:16] <bkerensa> c_smith: hello
[23:16] <c_smith> how goes things?
[23:17]  * c_smith will check the messages after he checks his cornbread
[23:17] <bkerensa> good and busy
[23:18] <c_smith> cool,
[23:18] <c_smith> cornbread still needs a bit longer.
[23:19] <c_smith> bkerensa, btw, does it matter how much I bring to the Global Jam if I come?
[23:19] <bkerensa> c_smith: How much what?
[23:19] <c_smith> snacks or drinks
[23:20] <c_smith> bleh, Cairo Dock is messed up, time to restart it.
[23:21] <bkerensa> c_smith: No it does not matter how much you bring or if you bring nothing... It is not an obligation
[23:21] <c_smith> there we go, what happened only happens when I use a Wine app that changes the screen resolution....
[23:21] <c_smith> bkerensa, ok, I'd rathered bring something I know I can share and won't mess up my braces.
[23:21] <bkerensa> c_smith: Dont use Wine then? :P I only use open software
[23:22] <bkerensa> c_smith: Sure then bring what you would like :)
[23:22] <c_smith> god I hate those things, but they are needed if I were to get this upcoming operation.... <-- talking about braces.
[23:23] <c_smith> the only Wine app I use every day doesn't have that problem, it's one of the games I play very infrequently, the game has problems with Windows 7 even, that's how old it is.
[23:24] <c_smith> bleh, I really typed that in a confusing manner. >.<
[23:25] <bkerensa> c_smith: I only do console gaming :)
[23:25] <c_smith> rofl, I have a game on my Wii I'm working on finishing, Xenoblade Chronicles,
[23:25] <c_smith> got all the Intel pieces in MW3.
[23:26] <bkerensa> I played MW3 for a day and gave it away
[23:26] <bkerensa> :p
[23:26] <bkerensa> BF3 for win
[23:27] <c_smith> lol, wonder if BF3 has a Wii version.
[23:28] <c_smith> nope, no BF3 for the wii.
[23:28] <c_smith> Nor DS as I can see on the Wii
[23:30] <c_smith> CoD has a bunch of version for the Wii, not sure there are ANY version of Battlefield for that same console.


[00:10] <prep> Just updated to US, some of the audio app's will not launch.
[00:20] <tucemiux> which appz??
[00:35] <prep> Jasmin, JACKTimeMachine, and a few others, Meter Bridge, launches then shuts down, the others, never launch
[00:38] <tucemiux> prep, youre using lucid?
[00:39] <prep> Ubuntu Studio
[00:40] <tucemiux> prep, yes but i mean, what version? lucid is 10.04?
[00:41] <prep> I started with 10.04, added the Studio packages. Newbie here, please forgive
[00:44] <tucemiux> you "added" the studio packages?
[00:45] <prep> yes
[00:45] <prep> in Synaptic
[00:47] <tucemiux> so you mean you had ubuntu then installed ubuntustudio-desktop?
[00:48] <prep> yes, I selected all the Studio packages, then installed
[00:49] <tucemiux> prep, have you ever used jack?
[00:50] <prep> running right now
[00:51] <prep> ah, needs to be running to run the ohers
[00:51] <tucemiux> prep, exactly -- but not all
[00:52] <tucemiux> also, you might want to shut down other appz like firefox or mp3 players like amarok before you use those appz, pulse audio is supposed to let you use all those appz but doesnt really work from what I have seen
[00:52] <prep> ok. Have you used Buzztard? Holstein helped me with the PPA, but still says its locked when I try to install in terminal
[00:54] <tucemiux> never used buzztard but that's an issue someone in #ubuntu might be able to help you, its more of an ubuntu problem, i typicall use appz out of the box, that's why I use ubuntustudio, it has all the audio/sound appz I need without manual install
[02:26] <Wiesshund> Hi Blank__
[02:27] <Blank__> elo
[02:29] <Wiesshund> went to look at an mpeg2 encoder tool i found on line, and it was a win32 app of course, and wouldnt you know the damned thing was a replicating trojan. sorry bastards
[02:30] <Wiesshund> wish i could simply do the entire thing in studio, be alot simpler
[03:30] <Wiesshund> wow dont ask a desktop video related question in #video
[06:30] <prep> holstein?
[06:30] <holstein> hey prep :)
[06:31] <holstein> did you get that buzztard sorted?
[06:31] <prep> busy?
[06:31] <holstein> nah
[06:31]  * holstein watching dr who
[06:31] <prep> I did not, tried, still said it was locked after I got key
[06:31] <holstein> planning a server build
[06:31] <prep> nicee
[06:31] <holstein> prep: maybe you got the wrong key?
[06:31] <holstein> you used the one i linked here right?
[06:31] <holstein> i might have got the wrong one
[06:31] <prep> ? Who knows, I'm a newb to Linux
[06:32] <holstein> whats the PPA?
[06:32] <prep> I got the one from the ppa page
[06:33] <prep> ppa:gstreamer-developers/ppa
[06:33]  * holstein found it
[06:33] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~gstreamer-developers/+archive/ppa
[06:33] <holstein> SO
[06:33] <holstein> open up your sources list
[06:33] <holstein> go system admin sources
[06:34] <prep> where's that located?
[06:34] <holstein> system - administration - software sources
[06:34] <prep> found it
[06:34] <holstein> you can get to it in synaptic too
[06:34] <holstein> go to the authentication tab
[06:35] <holstein> do you see it in there?
[06:35] <holstein> that where it goes
[06:35] <prep> LaunchPad for PPA  developers
[06:35] <holstein> prep: let me try it and see if it works for me...
[06:41] <holstein> well
[06:41] <holstein> you can relax
[06:41] <holstein> its just not in that PPA
[06:42] <prep> weird
[06:42] <holstein> prep: i would do all of these steps though
[06:42] <holstein> http://www.buzztard.org/index.php/Building#Ubuntu
[06:42] <prep> wonder what the deal is? Would love to try it.
[06:43] <holstein> that guide implies that the gstremer updates needed are in that PPA
[06:43] <holstein> and the dependacies are listed that
[06:43] <holstein> and the dependacies are listed there*
[06:43] <holstein> apt-get install gtk-doc-tools libgconf2-dev libglib2.0-dev libgnomecanvas2-dev libgnomevfs2-dev libgsf-1-dev libgtk2.0-dev libgstreamer0.10-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev libhal-dev liboil0.3-dev librsvg2-dev
[06:43] <prep> I tried that, got an error
[06:44] <prep> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? spencercrawford@spencercrawford-laptop:~$
[06:44] <holstein> prep: from what?
[06:44] <holstein> OH
[06:45] <holstein> yeah, you gotta run apt as sudo
[06:45] <holstein> prep: anytime your installing something
[06:45] <holstein> and some build steps
[06:45] <holstein> you'll need to use sudo
[06:45] <holstein> prep: you get the sudo command?
[06:45] <holstein> you said you were coming from windows right?
[06:45] <prep> not exactly. No, OSX
[06:45] <holstein> AH
[06:45] <holstein> same deal then
[06:46] <holstein> over in OSX
[06:46] <holstein> say, your user is prep
[06:46] <holstein> if you want to install something
[06:46] <holstein> you need to enter an administrator password
[06:46] <holstein> in linux and OSX
[06:46] <holstein> typcially normal users arent allowed to do much
[06:47] <holstein> its safer that way
[06:47] <holstein> SO
[06:47] <holstein> we use the sudo command
[06:47] <prep> Ah got it. My password won't type, strange
[06:47] <holstein> that temporarily gives your normal user admin privs
[06:47] <holstein> prep: the password wont show
[06:48] <holstein> thats on purpose
[06:48] <prep> ok, done, ask Y/N to continue
[06:48] <holstein> so look at all the crap its trying to install
[06:48] <holstein> and think of how you would get rid of it
[06:48] <holstein> if something in there broke something
[06:49] <holstein> if it were my box
[06:49] <holstein> i would use the PPA purge tool
[06:49] <holstein> to get rid of that crap if needed
[06:49] <prep> What's that and what does it do?
[06:49] <holstein> you can use PPA purge in ubuntutweak
[06:49] <holstein> but thats only if you have problems
[06:49] <holstein> prep: just read all that
[06:49] <holstein> so you know whats going on
[06:50] <holstein> thats all the stuff you listed
[06:50] <holstein> and asked to be installed
[06:50] <holstein> with sudo apt-get install whatever
[06:50] <holstein> and the dependancies needed, if any
[06:50] <holstein> if you say, y
[06:50] <holstein> it'll be installed
[06:50] <holstein> theres just not an easy 'undo' for this
[06:50] <holstein> so, maybe say no
[06:50] <prep> 0 upgraded, 103 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 36.3MB of archives. After this operation, 144MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[06:51] <holstein> and read the rest of that guide
[06:51] <holstein> and decide if you want to take it on
[06:51] <prep> so app isn't worth messing with at this point?
[06:51] <holstein> building packages can be tricky
[06:51] <holstein> but its a learning experience
[06:51] <holstein> prep: whats it do?
[06:51] <prep> tell me about it. I need to pickup the Ubuntu book
[06:52] <prep> it's a audio tracker
[06:52] <holstein> so, whats it do?
[06:53] <holstein> tracker = recorder?
[06:53] <prep> yes, uses numerical data to trigger audio, like Renoise
[06:53] <holstein> did you ask about it over in #opensourcemusicians?
[06:53] <holstein> prep: nice
[06:53] <holstein> that sound cool
[06:53] <holstein> and ive looked for something like that
[06:53] <holstein> to trigger samples
[06:54] <holstein> with a qwerty keyboard
[06:55] <persia> vkeybd can do some for some keys (assuming you can trigger on note on events)
[06:55] <prep_> sorry net dropped
[06:55] <holstein> persia: sweet
[06:56] <prep_> what's persia?
[06:56]  * persia
[06:56] <holstein> 01:54 < persia> vkeybd can do some for some keys (assuming you can trigger on note on events)
[06:56] <holstein> *while you were out ;)
[06:56] <holstein> also
[06:56] <holstein> 01:52 < holstein> did you ask about it over in #opensourcemusicians?
[06:56] <holstein> i just asked
[06:56] <prep_> I didn't
[06:57] <holstein> prep: try building it
[06:58] <prep_> I'll give it a shot in the AM
[06:58] <prep_> what do you think about System 76?
[06:58] <holstein> im gonna get something from them
[06:59] <holstein> its hard to pay a little more for something from them
[06:59] <holstein> but the quality is great
[07:00] <prep_> seems to be, think an i3 is enough for a Buntu box?
[07:00] <holstein> depends
[07:00] <holstein> i think its plenty
[07:00] <holstein> but im on a 9inch netbook right now
[07:01] <prep_> how's that running for you?
[07:01] <persia> Anything sold by system76 or zareason is more than enough to run Ubuntu.  That said, it may not be that any specific device is enough for your specific use cases.
[07:01] <holstein> probably more about specs
[07:01] <holstein> and what your going to do with it
[07:01] <holstein> i was an early adopter of the netbooks
[07:02] <holstein> i got a mininote with VIA chips
[07:02] <holstein> its a pain
[07:02] <holstein> but it works well acutally
[07:02] <holstein> and the EEEpc is great, and out-of=the-box easy
[07:03] <prep_> I just want power, waiting on Ardour 3 with MIDI, maybe add hardware synths, trigger/record/mix
[07:03] <prep_> I'm thinking Starling to start with, then the Ratel
[07:04] <holstein> does it have an express slot?
[07:04] <holstein> somewhere you can add firewire if you want?
[07:04] <holstein> OR better yet, does it have a firewire port
[07:04] <prep_> Starling does not
[07:04] <holstein> thats something you might be interested in down the road
[07:04] <prep_> no
[07:05] <prep_> all the FW pieces I want, aren't working at the moment with Linux
[07:05] <holstein> just a head up
[07:05] <holstein> USB devices usually just dont do the trick
[07:05] <holstein> for multitracking
[07:05] <holstein> again
[07:06] <holstein> depends on what you plan on doing
[07:06] <holstein> if its got an express slot you can add whatever later on
[07:06] <holstein> RME gear is well supported
[07:06] <holstein> and quite nice
[07:06] <prep_> what I've gathered
[07:07] <prep_> except the Fireface
[07:07] <holstein> yeah?
[07:07] <prep_> which I want. It would be the card and MultiFace
[07:07] <holstein> i thought they specifially supported linux
[07:07] <prep_> ffdao says no
[07:07] <holstein> i dont keep up with it much
[07:08]  * holstein not in the market for new gear yet
[07:08] <prep_> I may just keep djing, see what happens over the next year
[07:09] <holstein> w0w
[07:09] <holstein> yeah, im reading some links about that
[07:09] <holstein> i thought RME were friendlier to linux
[07:09] <holstein> ah well
[07:10] <holstein> the firepod is nice
[07:10] <holstein> works great
[07:10] <holstein> cant beat the price
[07:10] <prep_> Focusrite seems to be the best at the moment
[07:10] <prep_> at times it seems.
[07:11] <prep_> out of the box for the most part?
[07:12] <holstein> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SaffPro24/ looks pretty sweet
[07:12] <holstein> i got the firepod because its got preamps
[07:12] <holstein> they can be bypassed and you can use the balanced in's
[07:13] <holstein> but that was an affordable way for me to get 8 decent preamps going
[07:13] <holstein> firepod is out-of-the-box now
[07:19] <holstein> too bad the ffado support isnt there yet for the saffire pro24
[07:19] <holstein> these companies *gotta* start releasing some linux drivers
[12:34] <Nova_deViator> hi. so what's the deal with firewire and ffado in ubuntu? i had edirol FA101 working in 09.10, but now its fscked,
[12:35] <Nova_deViator> i can see the device with ffado tools, but jack just cannot make it
[12:37] <Nova_deViator> libffado 2.0.0 built Mar 31 2010 14:47:42
[12:37] <Nova_deViator> firewire ERR: Error creating FFADO streaming device
[12:38] <Nova_deViator> i get this on 2.6.32-24-generic-pae and linux-image-2.6.31-11-rt
[12:39] <Nova_deViator> should i try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/ffado-tools/2.0.1+svn1856-1ubuntu1
[12:39] <Nova_deViator> ?
[12:40] <Nova_deViator> how can i test if i have the old firewire stack with linux-image-2.6.31-11-rt ?
[19:45] <markie-> would anybody here like to share their music they've made in ubuntustudio with me?
[20:21] <TerrenceKJ>  Hi all I've got Ubuntu 10.4 installed. I use this mostly for multimedia and web browsing - Will I gain anything by using ubuntu studio instead
[20:31] <plotino> hi guys
[20:31] <plotino> how to change the file association?
[20:32] <plotino> in few words, how to associate which application has to open that file?
[20:32] <crysaz> plotino: 2.nd click on the file -> properties -> open with
[20:35] <plotino> m
[20:35] <plotino> because i have some problems with torrent files
[20:36] <plotino> ah ok
[20:36] <plotino> the problem was from firefox
[20:37] <plotino> firefox is not able to use vuze to open torrent files
[21:04] <histo> Does ubuntu studio have a page of changes coming?
[22:01] <holstein> markie-: sure
[22:02]  * holstein will link a short 30 second thing
[22:02] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg
[22:03] <holstein> histo: im not sure if there is an official page yet
[22:05] <holstein> i think alot of what falktx has done with http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ will be in 10.10
[22:05] <holstein> jack2 and pulse jack bridge
[23:45] <illytacos> hello hello, I have a pretty common problem from what I read in the forums but I tried a bunch of options in the forum without any luck whatsoever. I am not able to connect to the internet which I read is a common problem. I tried reinstalling ubuntu studio with a hardwire connection without luck, I've tried installing network manager from cd... but no luck. Is there something I'm missing? And thanks!!!


[19:05] <OvenWerks> eylul: with your wacom tablets, did you need to create a /etc/X11/xorg-config.d/ file?
[19:06] <OvenWerks> anyway, I thnk controls will need to:
[19:07] <OvenWerks> A) install extra kernel modules if needed (detect if needed would help)
[19:08] <OvenWerks> B) Allow creation of an xorg-config file if needed.
[19:39] <OvenWerks> in the case of A, I hope to find that newer kernels already have these modules in which case having a help help that points to  adding modules would be enough.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> in the case of B, we probably want to write some conig file that is loaded at xorg start anyway.
[23:05] <eylul> ovenwerks: No I don't remember having to. and yay!
[23:06] <eylul> but I have been using 16.04 and then 17.04/17.10. Also huion can be a bit different.
[23:06] <eylul> this is actually a good test case because huion is one of the most used brands outside of wacom.
[23:06] <eylul> so it is a good thing that controls cover it
[23:07] <eylul> I'll catch up with the chat fully once I get some sleep, (just arrived from a 15 hour bus-ride :D )


[18:57] <rbasak> o/
[18:57] <ddstreet> o/
[19:02] <teward> o/ - note I may not be as active today as I am normally, E:Chaos with active threat mitigations on my network.  And tsimonq2 doing ungodly evil with Lubuntu's CI which also sits on my infrastructure.
[19:03] <ddstreet> is rafaeldtinoco around, he's up for chairing this week...
[19:07] <ddstreet> if rafaeldtinoco isn't around, i guess we need either slashd or sil2100 (who doesn't seem to be in here currently) for quorum
[19:08] <rbasak> I'll give it another couple of minutes
[19:08] <rbasak> But if we don't get quorum by ten minutes past, I'm going to disappear to get my evening back.
[19:08] <ddstreet> teward assuming we don't make quorum, are you ok if i take your carried over tasks?  i know you're super busy atm
[19:09] <teward> ddstreet: that's totally fine, feel free to take my tasks.
[19:09] <ddstreet> ack, thanks, will do
[19:12]  * rbasak disappears o/
[19:12] <ddstreet> looks like no quorum today, sorry for anyone lurking, see you in 2 weeks at next dmb mtg o/


[00:08] <user|31> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/c4a854406fda55aefc3275a56f4763a7/Screenshot_20220422_100740.png
[00:08] <user|31> hello, I just downloaded `kubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso` and the checksum on the website seems to be invalid.
[00:08] <user|31> It looks like there is an extra `a` character on the end.
[00:10] <user|31> I think this means that my iso is likely fine it's just the website is wrong, right?
[00:12] <en11gma> i just want to say i had not tried kubuntu for a really long time. maybe 2 years or so. been doing ubuntu hardcore straight for a long time. i was (kind of forced) into trying it and it is a delightful surprise
[00:13] <en11gma> everything is in different places but i like the menu layouts and it seems pretty fast
[00:13] <en11gma> brb. going to reboot into live enviroment
[00:32] <user|38> hi
[00:41] <tomreyn> user|31: right
[00:41] <tomreyn> user|31: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.04/release/SHA256SUMS has the correct checksum
[03:39] <user|59> how to upgrade?
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JammyUpgrades/Kubuntu
 Maybe the team hasn't enabled the option yet
[05:58] <user|31> Thanks tomreyn! sorry for the late reply
[05:59] <Guest5> Anyone have a touchpad on their kubuntu system? Does your settings allow to configure three-finger gestures? Mine does not.
[06:25] <Guest5> Oddly, three finger tap works anyway.
[07:26] <madhueswar> Hi currently I'm using Kubuntu 22.04 developer (beta) version how to upgrade to official Kubuntu 22.04
[07:27] <Unit193> Just update, it'll be the final release.
[07:31] <madhueswar> Ok thanks for your quick information.
[07:32] <madhueswar> So once I update it will no longer be beta or developer version right
[07:32] <madhueswar> ?
[07:38] <madhueswar> So once I update it will no longer be beta or developer version right
[08:16] <Guest3526> Goood morning
[08:19] <Guest3526> ?
[08:19] <Guest3526> ?????????????
[08:19] <Guest3526> WHo in server?!
[08:19] <Guest3526> IM ONLY ONE?!?!?!
[08:21] <Guest3526> ok,im quiting
[08:26] <kubuntu> Hello
[08:26] <kubuntu> How are you?
[08:28] <kubuntu> AGAIN NOMORE ONLINE?!
[08:29] <kubuntu> >:(
[08:50] <gshfty> alo
 Right (re @IrcsomeBot: <madhueswar> So once I update it will no longer be beta or developer version right)
[11:09] <naanu> Hello?
[11:17] <user|92> Здорова
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:52] <esloam> how to update to kubuntu 22.04 from kubuntu 20.02
[13:54] <BluesKaj> !ltsupgrade | esloam
[13:55] <esloam> Thanks!
 Kubuntu Manual 22.04 LTS is out! https://kubuntu.org/support/
[15:51] <kubuntu> sdfasdf
[15:51] <kubuntu> hello from konversation, kubuntu live session
[15:51] <kubuntu> trying kubuntu 22.04 lts on kvm
[15:52] <kubuntu> arch (host)
 Laptop hotspot working on live boot but not after installation.
 Kubuntu 22.04 any help?
[18:15] <user|59> Hi!
[18:17] <user|59> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/9bf5506de0558672b96906f03c2c70d2/Screenshot_4.png
[18:17] <user|59> meybe 22.04 ?
[18:17] <user|59> maybe 22.04 ?
[19:14] <valorie> ahoneybun: where is the above image?
[19:14] <valorie> perhaps as part of the ISO?
 From the website?
 Yep the website.
 https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-22-04-lts-released/
 Why would it be 22.04 LTS?
 20.04 LTS is before 22.04 LTS so you would upgrade from it.
[19:39] <Glumfish> Hi, is there any timeline on when upgrades to 22.04 will be enabled?
[19:40] <moffa> Usually its after the .1 version is released i.e. after 22.04.1
 yes, april 21 2022 (re @IrcsomeBot: <Glumfish> Hi, is there any timeline on when upgrades to 22.04 will be enabled?)
[19:42] <Glumfish> Thanks!
 I mean, you can do it right now (re @IrcsomeBot: <Glumfish> Thanks!)
 I mean, you can do it right now but I would wait 1 or 2 weeks, and read the upgrade instructions carefully (re @IrcsomeBot: <Glumfish> Thanks!)
[19:58] <alkisg> With -d (development) you can do it now; without it, they'll be enabled in August, right after 22.04.1
[20:03] <Glumfish> alkisg: isn't that for people upgrading from LTS releases? I am running 21.10 currently
[20:04] <alkisg> Glumfish: indeed, I think so
[20:43] <gary__> hi
[20:45] <gary__> anyone here can help with bluetooth issue upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 and it is no longer recognized
[20:45] <gary__> worked before and weird thing is in live usb mode bluetooth works
[20:46] <gary__> anyone
[20:47] <gary__> i tried installing blueman that did not work either
[20:53] <cbreak> gary__: does it show up in lsusb?
[20:55] <gary__> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller
[20:55] <gary__> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 2386:0403 Raydium Corporation Raydium Touch System
[20:55] <gary__> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0c45:671f Microdia Integrated_Webcam_HD
[20:55] <gary__> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0438:7900 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Root Hub
[20:55] <gary__> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[20:55] <gary__> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[20:56] <cbreak> you should read the output of lsusb and see if it shows something bluetooth related.
[20:56] <tomreyn> gary__: make sure you use a pastebin-like service such as termbin.com
[20:56] <cbreak> like Bus 003 Device 002: ID 8087:0029 Intel Corp. AX200 Bluetooth here
[20:58] <gary__> yeah i guess the new kernel for 22.04 has no support i dont know its weird when i boot a live usb it works though and it worked fine in 20.04
[20:59] <gary__> i might have to jump ship after a very long time on kubuntu  might have to go manjaro
[21:01] <Glumfish> I would say maybe not give up on it so quickly
[21:01] <Glumfish> You will probably learn a thing or two figuring it out why it isn't working
[21:02] <gary__> i like an os that just works mint is good but i like kde desktop for years now
[21:03] <Dillon> Hello, I am pretty new to kubuntu and Linux in general. I'm trying to make the switch but I'm having issues with text being to small on a 4k display. I have a 2k alt monitor also. When I try to make the text bigger for the 4k monitor, the 2k monitors text scale is way to big.
[21:03] <gary__> things like wifi ethernet and bluetooth should just work
[21:04] <gary__> i get cpus are way more involved in a kernel i would expect glitches there but ubuntu is about to go ipo this year
[21:05] <Glumfish> Dillon: you should switch to wayland which supports separate display scaling
[21:06] <Glumfish> To do this logout and at the bottom right corner of the "login page" (SDDM) it should have an option which says Plasma X11
[21:06] <Glumfish> Switch it to Plasma (Wayland)
[21:06] <Glumfish> and then go in the System Settings and set the scaling for each monitor accordingly
[21:07] <Glumfish> If you don't see the option try installing the package `plasma-workspace-wayland`
[21:08] <cbreak> gary__: well, have you found your bluetooth in lsusb?
[21:08] <gary__> no
[21:09] <cbreak> have you found it while being booted in the live usb?
[21:09] <Glumfish> gary__: the things is CPUs are standardized (all using the same instruction set) while all the different bluetooth/ethernet/WiFi devices have different drivers, etc.
[21:09] <gary__> it shows up when i live boot off booth 20.04 and 22.04 but not when installed to ssd
[21:09] <cbreak> Glumfish: CPUs are not that standardized :/
[21:09] <Glumfish> so it is much harder to support
[21:09] <Glumfish> cbreak: well yes I'm generalizing a bit of course
[21:09] <cbreak> linux had to add quite some features until my Ryzen 5800 was supported
[21:10] <cbreak> for example for using frequency scaling, additional instruction sets, chipset / cpu temperatures, ...
[21:10] <Glumfish> gary__: have you checked for any proprietary drivers in the driver manager?
[21:10] <gary__> yes
[21:10] <cbreak> if you have a weird CPU like the new intel with different core types, or a NUMA like older EPYC ones, it's also weirder
[21:11] <gary__> amd
[21:11] <cbreak> gary__: you should check as what it shows up in the usb
[21:11] <cbreak> lsusb -tv should give you a long tree
[21:11] <cbreak> and you might see something like |__ Port 2: Dev 2, If 1, Class=Wireless, Driver=btusb, 12M
[21:11] <cbreak> that's what the AX200 I have shows up as
[21:13] <cbreak> it also shows up in lshw of course, in a bit more readable form
[21:14] <cbreak> the interesting part is the driver
[21:15] <cbreak> for me, btusb.ko comes from the package linux-modules-extra-5.13.0-27-generic
[21:16] <gary__> qualcom
[21:16] <cbreak> what model / type / thing is it?
[21:17] <gary__> dell inspiron 3185
[21:17] <cbreak> the bluetooth thing
[21:17] <cbreak> lsusb / lshw should tell you
[21:23] <gary__> it shows up as uknown qualcom bluetooth device in kde info center
[21:24] <gary__> that command did not work i tried it as a tree dump -v
[21:27] <Glumfish> gary__: doesn't it prompt you to install any packages when running the command?
[21:27] <Glumfish> if the programs aren't installed
[21:27] <gary__> no it does not
[21:29] <cbreak> gary__: in the live usb, it should show up as something
[21:29] <cbreak> as what?
[21:30] <cbreak> run lshw on it, then pastebin the result
[21:30] <cbreak> (run it as root)
[21:30] <gary__> how do i pastbin never used it
[21:30] <cbreak> it should start with "description: Bluetooth wireless interface" or similar
[21:31] <valorie> pastebinit is the easiest
[21:31] <valorie> !pastebinit
[21:32] <cbreak> pick some pastebin site. Don't know a good general purpose one.
[21:33] <valorie> the ubuntu one works fine
[21:34] <cbreak> seemed to require creating an account
[21:36] <valorie> pastebin.com is anonymous -- don't know if it's dodgy or not
[21:37] <Glumfish> there's also termbin
[21:39] <gary__> ok i did
[21:39] <gary__> now what
[21:40] <valorie> what's the URL?
[21:40] <Glumfish> termbin.com
[21:40] <Glumfish> you use netcat to upload stuff
[21:40] <Glumfish> I first saw it I think in the C Programming channel in libera
[21:41] <cbreak> gary__: you have to give us the url of your upload, otherwise we can't see what you uploaded
[21:47] <gary__> https://pastebin.com/idFsSWYy
[21:50] <cbreak> gary__: I don't see the bluetooth device in that list
[21:50] <cbreak> are you sure you ran this command as root?
[21:50] <cbreak> on the live system, where bluetooth works?
[21:51] <gary__> i know its weird it shows up in the info center in kde but no where else
[21:51] <gary__> do i need to run lshw as sudo
[21:51] <cbreak> if you don't have a root shell, yes, sudo will also do it
[21:52] <gary__> ok i will try that
[21:56] <gary__> i found it
[21:56] <gary__> *-usb:0 UNCLAIMED
[21:56] <gary__>                    description: Bluetooth wireless interface
[21:56] <gary__>                    vendor: Qualcomm Atheros Communications
[21:56] <gary__>                    physical id: 2
[21:56] <gary__>                    bus info: usb@2:2
[21:58] <cbreak> doesn't look like it's found
[21:58] <cbreak> you sure that it works?
[21:59] <gary__> yeah it worked before upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 and both live install usbs it works but ounce it is installed bluetooth does not work on 22.04
[22:00] <cbreak> yes. that's why I told you to run it on the live usb
[22:00] <cbreak> so that we can see with what driver it works
[22:00] <gary__> kde info center sees it but it say unclaimed
[22:04] <gary__> its a qualcom artheros it aslo has my wifi in the same chip the wifi works but not the bluetooth
[22:04] <gary__> its running on 5.15 kernel
[22:05] <gary__> i think it said
[22:06] <gary__> ok im out of here i will try another day or give it 30 days then i will have to distro hop cause i need my bluetooth to work for my credit card reader
[22:07] <cbreak> gary__: just do what I told you :/
[22:07] <cbreak> run lshw
[22:07] <gary__> thanks for the help
[22:07] <cbreak> find out what driver is used on the live usb
[22:07] <cbreak> then start using the same thing on the real system
[22:07] <gary__> how do i do that
[22:07] <cbreak> by booting in the live usb
[22:07] <cbreak> runing lshw as before (as root)
[22:08] <gary__> and then do lshw
[22:08] <cbreak> looking at what driver is used for the bluetooth thing
[22:08] <cbreak> that was the whole point of lshw
[22:08] <cbreak> to find out what driver is used
[22:08] <k__2> hi
[22:08] <gary__> ok
[22:08] <gary__> thank i will try that
[22:09] <gary__> have a good one
[22:09] <gary__> thank you
[22:09] <k__2> i install kubuntu 22.04 on virtualbox and have no any sound... (mint work with sound - ok)  how to fix?
[22:14] <jojje> Hello, what is the reason for kubuntu shipping with Thunderbird and not Kmail?
[23:25] <mparillo> The Ubuntu project can and will support Thunderbird.
[23:25] <mparillo> Especially on an LTS, it may be hard to backport kmail fixes.
[23:25] <mparillo> For three years.


[01:05] <bdx> @team, getting some interesting errors trying to create a model right now http://paste.ubuntu.com/25518159/
[01:06] <bdx> not sure if this is associated with the outage that is/was going on
[01:06] <bdx> rick_h: ^
[01:09] <rick_h> bdx: looking
[01:10] <rick_h> bdx: :/ that looks ungood
[01:10] <bdx> yeah
[01:10] <bdx> things went downhill .... earlier I only couldn't destroy a model
[01:11] <rick_h> bdx: heh, looking into it
[01:11] <bdx> thx
[01:14] <rick_h> bdx: ok, I can confirm unable to create a model on aws atm, testing other clouds. I'm seeing different error feedback
[01:14] <bdx> ok
[01:14] <bdx> thx
[01:15] <bdx> rick_h: "ERROR cannot obtain authorization to collect usage metrics" - seems to be inline with what you were saying earlier about identity not being reachable after the outage or something
[01:15] <rick_h> bdx: yea, but the debug page on identify is good, checking others
[01:54] <axw> wallyworld: FYI, the vsphere stuff has turned into a bigger PITA than I expected. so probably will be a week after all
[01:55] <wallyworld> righto. there's no rush to release 2.2.4 this week if we think we could do something for vsphere by end of next week. if not, it will just have to wait for 2.3
[01:56] <axw> wallyworld: I think it's best to wait for 2.3, it's not a small change
[01:56] <wallyworld> ok, sgtm
[03:33] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: a very small PR if you have a chance https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7844
[03:35] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sure!
[03:36] <wallyworld> yay, ty
[03:46] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: approved
[03:46] <wallyworld> tyvm
[04:47] <wallyworld> thumper: pr 7832, you still going to land that?
[05:19] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Am I right in thinking that we only need to have a signature for jujud?
[05:19] <wallyworld> yeah, as that's what's uploaded and run on the machines, and what we version
[05:19] <babbageclunk> cool cool.
[05:20] <babbageclunk> I'm going to write this up just to get it all straight in my head.
[07:54] <thumper> wallyworld: yeah, I thought it had
[07:58] <wallyworld> thumper: np, just thought i'd check
[21:11] <thumper> morning folks
[21:15] <babbageclunk> morning!
[21:23] <rick_h> babbageclunk: is a happy camper hah
[21:29] <thumper> is he?
[22:03] <rick_h> thumper: ping when you're free


[02:34] <cfedde_> every time i try to start the front end i get a black rectangle followed by full screen gray with a black box and a gray bar that i can controll with the arrow keys can some one tell me what is going on here?
[13:09] <rascal999> I've just installed mythbuntu and the 'Launch MythTv' setup button is greyed out, why?
[20:41] <Seeker`> any idea why mythtv's volume is lower than rhythmbox? I've put all of mythtvs volume settigs to full, as well as alsamixer
[20:44] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: IIRC you said you were using hdmi, did you disable volume control in myth?
[20:45] <rhpot1991> could do a straight passthrough and just let your TV/receiver handle the volume
[20:45] <Seeker`> rhpot1991: I didn't, no
[20:45] <rhpot1991> page 3 or so of the general settings I believe
[20:45] <Seeker`> the "use external mixer" option?
[20:46] <Seeker`> sorry,disable "Use internal volume controls"?
[20:46] <rhpot1991> thats how you'd kill it
[20:46] <rhpot1991> if you look around in there, or maybe it was in the recording profiles, there is an option for recording sound level, you can adjust that as well
[20:47] <rhpot1991> that wont effect digital sound though I don't think
[20:47] <Seeker`> hmm, disabled the internal mixer
[20:47] <Seeker`> still not as loud as rhythmbox
[20:48] <Seeker`> rhythmbox is "too loud" at about 18 on the receiver
[20:48] <Seeker`> need it to be at least 20 to have a listenable volume with mythtv
[20:49] <rhpot1991> mess around with the audio settings in myth, and launch alsamixer from a terminal, you can try to adjust some things in there
[20:50] <Seeker`> everything in alsamixer is on full
[20:52] <Seeker`> the only setting that has any bearing on the HDMI volume level is the "IEC958 1" switch, which I can only mute/unmute
[20:52] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: busy now, but if I get a chance I'll remote in and look for where the recordings volume setting is (or if it even still exists)
[20:52] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: what kind of tuners do you have?
[20:53] <chaslinux> Wondering if I missed a setting in mythbuntu or if I need to buy a video card with HDMI. Getting a small picture in the centre of my LCD tv.
[20:53] <Seeker`> I have a nova-T 500
[20:54] <Seeker`> chaslinux: how are you connecting to your LCD at the moment?
[20:54] <chaslinux> Seeker: DSUB
[20:55] <Seeker`> chaslinux: is the desktop only displaying in the middle of the screen? with black borders round the edge?
[20:55] <chaslinux> Seeker: yes, but only when I try to watch TV or record, it's fine with myth tv menus.
[20:55] <Seeker`> hmm
[20:56] <Seeker`> chaslinux: have you tried the zoom setting?
[20:56] <chaslinux> No... on the TV or in Myth TV?
[20:56] <Seeker`> mythtv
[20:56] <Seeker`> press m while watching something
[20:56] <Seeker`> then you can change the zoom settings in that menu
[20:57] <chaslinux> K thanks will check that out... nothing like IRSSI on a big screen tv ;-) Thanks Seeker`
[20:57] <Seeker`> D
[20:57] <Seeker`> :D
[20:57] <Seeker`> Hope it works
[20:58] <chaslinux> Did I love you!
[20:58] <chaslinux> Dude!
[20:58] <chaslinux> lol thanks worked like a charm
[20:59] <Seeker`> :)
[20:59] <Seeker`> glad I could be of some help
[20:59] <Seeker`> you can set a default zoom in one of the settings menu
[20:59] <chaslinux> That's great, my wife is going to be thrilled
[21:00] <chaslinux> The aspect ratio was off
[21:00] <chaslinux> As soon as I put it to 16:9 it looks fine.
[21:02] <Seeker`> :)
[21:02] <Seeker`> rhpot1991: Even DTS / DD passthrough is really quiet
[21:02] <Seeker`> rhpot1991: I'm beginning to wonder if rhythmbox applies some amplification to stuff
[21:20] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: if thats the only issue you might be able to just modify volume for rhythmbox
[21:35] <Seeker`> rhpot1991: the problem is that i need the receiver much higher for mythtv than any other source
[21:38] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: the propper thing to do is to let your receiver control the volume and not let myth controll it at all
[21:38] <rhpot1991> if you go into the recording profiles, 4th page in there is a volume control
[21:39] <rhpot1991> setup > tv > recording profiles
[21:39] <rhpot1991> I believe this only effects analog though
[21:39] <rhpot1991> and will only take place on new recordings'
[21:40] <Seeker`> I only have 2 pages of options
[21:42] <rhpot1991> not available then, thought it might not be
[21:42] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: hop over to #mythtv-users and ask there, someone might have a better idea
[21:43] <rhpot1991> for me once I kill volume control in myth everything is about the same going to and from my receiver (or so I think)
[21:44] <Seeker`> may try SPDIF, although I'd rather not have to buy another cable
[21:44] <Seeker`> having everything go over HDMI is nice
[21:45] <rhpot1991> I'm doing SPDIF, but only cause HDMI wasn't passing through digital sound for me properly
[21:46] <rhpot1991> I had to saw up 2 wires to get them to fit next to each other, a real mess
[21:46] <Seeker`> :(
[21:46] <Seeker`> mythtv is great
[21:46] <Seeker`> but there are a few small things that really annoy me
[21:46] <Seeker`> getting my remote working properly is a pain, and it has randomly stopped receiving some keys
[21:47] <Seeker`> if i start a movie and choose DTS, it often reverts back to DD a few seconds later
[21:50] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: I have seen an issue where irw still gets remote commands but myth never seems to get them, very hard to reproduce
[21:54] <Seeker`> rhpot1991: that sucks


[05:51] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue318
[07:22] <dholbach> good morning


[03:29] <A3> any devs online?
[12:08] <comics_idees> which command type to close an application?
[12:08] <greg__> Hello
[12:08] <comics_idees> I want to write a script to open an application and then write a command to close application
[12:08] <comics_idees> which command closes
[12:09] <comics_idees> the application?
[12:09] <comics_idees> quit?
[12:42] <greg__> Can anyone help with lubuntu?
[12:47] <msx> hi! i'm having an issue that seems somewhat odd with latest lubuntu: after installing it offline i connected the computer to the net, upgrade the system, activated de canonical partners repo but still can't get the full listing of packages available in the repos
[12:47] <msx> apt search tmux reveals nothing, same with the openssh server
[12:47] <msx> is this system somewhat borked? that would be strange as this is a fresh install
[12:49] <msx> and btw, it would be cool to have the openssh server shipped by default, i usually install lubuntu on unattanded machines - with some of them converting to headless shortly after they are set up and running
[16:17] <comics_idees> in vlc media player sometimes shows a corrupted image with large pixels for some seconds and after that it plays well,
[16:17] <comics_idees> why this happens
[16:17] <comics_idees> ?
[16:17] <comics_idees> only in lubuntu happens this
[16:23] <ianorlin> I don't know
[19:53] <Janusz> Hello. Is it possible to have on one PC, withour virtualisation, both 14.04 and 14.10?
[19:53] <Janusz> Without*
[19:54] <Unit193> Dual booting.
[19:55] <Janusz> If I will install 14.10 on PC with already installed 14.04, will it be settable in instalator?
[19:55] <Janusz> Unit193
[19:55] <Unit193> Should have an option to dual boot in the installer, yes.
[19:56] <Janusz> Thank You
[22:23] <wxl> hey what battery indicator do we use currently?
[23:09] <ianorlin> xfce power manager 4
[23:13] <wxl> i needed to figure out what to use since i don't use openbox. i opted to use acpi & a widget from the awesome obvious library. more parsimonious since it's doing little more than reading /proc and /sys files


[11:42] <daf> Simira: which kind of schedule do you have in mind?
[11:43] <Simira> daf: if you had any spesific time you are working on Rosetta stuff, so I could schedule my translation-team work to that time, as many of the team often have questions to Rosetta
[11:44] <daf> you mean a time of day?
[11:44] <Simira> daf: something like that, yes?
[11:45] <daf> ah, ok
[11:45] <daf> well, Carlos and I are both on Australian time right now
[11:45] <daf> which is UTC+10
[11:45] <daf> does that help you?
[11:46] <daf> we'll be back on UTC+1/+2 next week
[11:46] <Simira> I know you're in UDU. That's why I planned to work on it this week :p
[11:47] <Simira> in/on
[11:47] <Simira> anyway
[11:47] <Simira> I'll just schedule the work a bit late, or early or something :p
[11:48] <daf> well, yeah, it's a bit tough :/
[11:48] <daf> but I think our mornings and evenings overlap
[11:53] <Simira> they do
[09:20] <howy> I recently installed Ubuntu 5.04 as a server, and found a number of bugs in the sendmail package.  Realize it is not a supported package, do you want bug reports?  If so, should they go to the launchpad bugzilla?
[09:22] <mdke> howy, if the package isn't in bugzilla.ubuntu.com, you can file it in http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone under Ubuntu.
[09:23] <howy> Thanks, I will submit them
[09:23] <mdke> maybe also consider upstream if applicable?
[09:24] <howy> Upstream is debian?
[09:25] <howy> I think most of this is Ubuntu packaging issues - (e.g. apt-get install sendmail fails if postfix is not installed and running)
[09:26] <mdke> ok fair enough
[09:26] <howy> Do you guys run Ubuntu on your servers?
[09:28] <mdke> i'm just a user
[09:28] <mdke> but i've heard that they run Ubuntu on the main server farms
[09:29] <howy> Thanks again


[12:28] <brousch> http://techweek.com/detroit/
[12:29] <rick_h_> party
[12:35] <_stink_> good morning
[12:45] <cmaloney> Morning and all that. :)
[12:46] <rick_h_> heh
[12:46] <rick_h_> cable guy here yay
[12:46]  * rick_h_ hates that line heh
[12:47] <cmaloney> Which line is that?
[12:47] <cmaloney> The one that goes to your house?
[12:47] <cmaloney> ;)
[12:49] <rick_h_> saying "yay" to the "cable guy"
[12:50] <cmaloney> Well, considering it's a modern miracle whenever they show up I'm sure the "yay" is warranted.
[12:51] <cmaloney> "Yay, something in our dystopian future is working as I expected and someone has made their way to my house to make my Internet better hopefully please God please"
[15:18] <jcastro> brousch, huh, I wonder if that show is any good
[15:24] <cmaloney> jcastro: My "douche" filter didn't go completely off the scale when I read through the speakers.
[17:31] <smoser> cmaloney, did my email to mug get sent to /dev/null ?
[17:31] <smoser> or did I (quite posisbly) just miss a response.
[17:31] <cmaloney> ?
[17:32] <cmaloney> Ack
[17:32] <cmaloney> No, we're cool
[17:32] <cmaloney> I thought I'd left it as such
[17:32] <cmaloney> Everyone is exceptionally pleased you're talking
[17:32] <smoser> oh. ok.
[17:32] <cmaloney> Apologies for leaving you hanging
[17:32] <smoser> thats good then.
[17:32] <smoser> no worries
[17:32] <cmaloney> That's all my fault. :)
[17:41] <jrwren> you talking cloud-init at mug? cloud-init is my favorite thing.
[17:48] <cmaloney> And I'm talking about emulators. :)
[17:48] <jrwren> what is an emulator?
[17:51] <cmaloney> Stuff like Amiga emulators, Atari 800 emulators
[17:51] <cmaloney> Atari ST
[17:51] <cmaloney> old hardware
[17:51] <cmaloney> MAME
[17:51] <cmaloney> that sort of thing.
[17:52] <jrwren> cmaloney: very cool.
[18:00] <brousch> Have any east siders heard of this? Apparently it's in Ann Arbor https://stratoscard.com/
[18:02] <_stink_> huh, neat idea
[18:03] <brousch> Apparently looking for Python devs
[18:05] <cmaloney> Very cool
[18:24] <cscheib> huh, wonder if they're the reason we couldn't trademark the stratos name nationwide
[20:02] <jrwren> why did stratos come up today?
[20:03] <jrwren> brousch: did Henry email you directly?
[20:03] <brousch> Yeah, that's why I brought it up
[20:03] <jrwren> brousch: ha! me too :)
[20:03] <brousch> I like to poke around these things before I reply
[20:04] <jrwren> I've followed Henry on twitter for years. Seems like a solid guy.
[20:04] <brousch> Ha! Well if he thinks I'm a jrwren-caliber developer he's gonna have a bad time ;)
[20:05] <jrwren> brousch: my wife says "You don't want to work for a wine drinker."
[20:05] <jrwren> brousch: you are likely far beyond a jrwren-caliber dev :p
[20:05] <brousch> I still have not written a single test
[20:07] <brousch> Hey, wait, rick_h_ is a wine drinker!
[20:08] <jrwren> brousch: WHAT?!?!?!
[20:08] <jrwren> brousch: lets get on hangouts and write a test together RIGHT NOW
[20:09] <brousch> Well I wrote one with someone else, but not by myself
[20:09] <brousch> It was very interesting
[20:09] <jrwren> brousch: were you driving?
[20:09] <brousch> No
[20:09] <jrwren> brousch: so sad
[20:10] <brousch> I know
[20:10] <brousch> I'm actually rectifying it right now
[20:11] <brousch> I have 2 books to read, then I have 2 existing systems to add tests to
[20:12] <cmaloney> heh
[20:12] <cmaloney> I think jrwren sells himself short.
[20:12] <brousch> Part of it is that I've been working on kivy so long. Kivy apps are hard to test
[20:12] <cmaloney> Pretty sure he's developed three systems before the spoon hits the cereal bowl
[20:28] <jrwren> brousch: since you are adding it to already written code, do you have Michael Feathers book?
[20:38] <brousch> I do not
[20:48] <cscheib> OMG THE SUN IS OUT IN MI
[21:16] <mrgoodcat> is anybody here particularly familiar with meteor.js?
[21:17] <cscheib> I have an acquaintance who thinks it's pretty neat
[21:17] <cscheib> but with the frequency of new js frameworks, it's gotta be annoying to develop in them
[21:37] <jrwren> meteor has been around for at least a couple of years.
[21:37] <jrwren> uses a mongodb backend and does *magic* to let you write only JS and some runs on server via node and other runs in client and everything is magical and beautiful.
[21:40] <cscheib> yup
[21:40] <cscheib> it looks neat.
[22:13] <rick_h_> brousch: :P but he works for Uros, not me. So jrwren is safe
[23:00] <mrgoodcat> i got my problem worked out anways
[23:00] <mrgoodcat> was being dumb
[23:01] <mrgoodcat> the ldapjs library was getting in my way with its bad documentation


[16:20] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 493 for the weeks of December 19, 2016 - January 1, 2017 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue493
[22:33] <tsimonq2> pleia2: sorry and thanks
[22:33] <tsimonq2> pleia2: sorry and thanks :(
[22:33] <tsimonq2> Argh
[22:33] <tsimonq2> I've been sick, otherwise I would have stepped up :(
[22:33] <tsimonq2> (up arrow...)
[22:40] <pleia2> I was sick post-plane last night, so came home and went right to bed x_x
[22:40] <pleia2> but hey, it got out eventually :)
[22:41] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:41] <tsimonq2> pleia2: You accidentally drop some sickness on the way back to California? :P
[22:43] <pleia2> not sure, I'm feeling OK today