[00:10] <adam_g_> jamespage, on-the-fly stable branch changelog generation happening in bzr now for folsom and grizzly, eg: lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/nova/folsom-commit-tracking
[00:20] <ccssnet> what sense does it make to have a pae only install cd kernel!?!?
[00:20] <ccssnet> someone using 32bit, should later update to pae kernel if they need it. the install cd apears useless as is
[00:26] <adam_g_> Daviey, if you have a minute the latest openstack stable stuff (2013.1.2) is in-queue for raring-proposed
[03:26] <hallyn> stgraber: do you think you'll be pushing any fixes to saucy/lxc in the next week?  if so i'd like to sneak the lxc-stop exit code fix in there with it
[03:27] <stgraber> hallyn: pretty busy with the Ubuntu Touch image updater at the moment and don't have anything urgent on my lxc todolist, so I'm unlikely to have an upload to do
[03:28] <stgraber> hallyn: oh, though I still need to take a quick look at that merge proposal of yours, I guess you could bundle the lxc-stop fix with that
[03:30] <stgraber> hallyn: MP processed, sorry for the delay there, forgot to put it on my todolist...
[03:31] <hallyn> stgraber: cool, thanks
[05:45] <Chunky56> I have a software RAID 5 array where one of the hard drives died--I got a replacement hard drive, but do I need to initialize it before I try to add it into my array? I ask because I tried to add it into my array and it is not automatically resyncing
[10:56] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/heat/ubuntu-refresh/+merge/168517
[11:18] <koolhead17> zul: salute
[11:53] <zul> koolhead17: hey
[11:55] <koolhead17> zul: how are things sir? long time
[11:55] <zul> koolhead17:  busy
[11:55] <koolhead17> zul: hopefully things would have gone much easier now
[11:56] <zul> koolhead17:  you would think so ;)
[11:57] <koolhead17> i mean better than before for sure. See am not making much noise here
[11:57] <koolhead17> :D
[12:03] <zul> neither am i
[12:08] <koolhead17> zul: is that not evident we are in peace :P
[12:43] <zul> hallyn:  i havent had a chance to run the libvirt qa testsuite but 1.0.7 works ok for me
[12:47] <hallyn> zul: ok, cool
[12:47] <mardraum> 1.0.7? o.O
[12:48] <hallyn> i suspect he meant 1.0.6?
[12:49] <mardraum> ok, thought maybe I blacked out for a few weeks :P
[12:59] <mardraum> hallyn: it's not in your ppa right?
[13:00] <mardraum> 1.0.6 has fixed the migration issues for other distros users I have talked to
[13:06] <zul> yeah 1.0.6
[13:10] <hallyn> mardraum: not in mine, nope
[13:16] <zul> jamespage:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[13:19] <AtuM> Hi. After upgrading to 13.04 I see no cursor in any of the installed desktops (fwmm, wdm, fluxbox).. Xorg reports no errors - the mouse works fine
[13:19] <AtuM> default wm is wdm
[13:27] <zul> AtuM: #ubuntu please
[13:30] <AtuM> zul, that's on the server distro.. desktop guys point me to this channel.. besides.. with the earlier kernel version (3.5.x) mouse cursor is seen.. with the latest one it is not
[13:37] <AtuM> is there a way to get a newer kernel installed?
[13:41] <jamespage> zul, bug 1189909
[13:41] <jamespage> gah
[13:42] <jamespage> zul, took me a while to track that one down
[13:42] <zul> jamespage:  awesome! ;)
[13:47] <AtuM> using <IP_ADDRESS> the cursor is inivisble, using <IP_ADDRESS> the keyboard and mouse don't work.. system freezes (using usb keyboard, no ps2 port). will try an even older version
[13:48] <Pici> AtuM: Ubuntu server doesn't have any gui at all, you should be asking in #ubuntu
[13:48] <AtuM> Pici.. so installation of fwwm uses desktop repos?
[13:50] <Pici> AtuM: Both -server and -desktop share the same repositories.
[13:51] <AtuM> Pici, then how come i have 3.8.0-19 as the latest kernel.. and the server has 3.8.0-23 ?
[13:52] <Pici> AtuM: Sounds like you don't have the -updates or -security repositories activated. 3.8.0-19 was the version that was provided when 13.04 was released.
[13:54] <AtuM> Pici, thanks. hope I get this issue solved in #ubuntu ;)
[15:13] <genii> !info hockeypuck precise-backports
[15:13] <genii> Meh.
[15:14] <genii> !info hockeypuck quantal-backports
[15:14] <genii> So just Raring onwards.
[15:18] <smoser> roaksoax, you asked about simplestreams and download for maas..
[15:18] <smoser> utlemming, are the maas simplestreams ready ? i think there is still work there, right?
[15:18] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah
[15:19] <smoser> so there is work to get the streams correct on maas.ubuntu.com/images
[15:19] <utlemming> smoser: yeah, I was just looking
[15:19] <roaksoax> ok
[15:19] <utlemming> smoser: its being generated...just not correctly, I think
[15:20] <utlemming> smoser: I can get that done this week
[15:22] <smoser> roaksoax, but my plan was to use the command-sync tool 'sstream-sync'
[15:23] <roaksoax> smoser: ok, so replace maas-import-ephemerals to use sstream-sync instead?
[15:23] <smoser> thats the basic idea, yeah. and also we'll have data for pxe files too
[15:24] <roaksoax> smoser: ok, so that would replace maas-import-pxe-files and maas-import-ephemerals all together
[15:24] <smoser> tools/hook-image-id in lp:simplestreams might be a start.
[15:24] <roaksoax> smoser: and what about the root images? are we still looking into generating them from a script?
[15:24] <smoser> tools/hook-check-downloads too
[15:25] <smoser> roaksoax, i'm still not sure what to do there...
[15:25] <smoser> i really dont towice
[15:25] <smoser> i really dont want to download the same data twice
[15:25] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah
[15:25] <roaksoax> makes sense
[15:26] <smoser> the path that sabdfl wants is to just use the ephemeral image for the source
[15:26] <smoser> by 'cp /'
[15:26] <roaksoax> right
[15:34] <jamespage> zul: just testing this stuff now prior to upload for staging - http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/ca-updates/
[15:34] <jamespage> the json-* ones also need a look
[15:34] <jamespage> zul, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/havana_versions.html
[15:36] <zul> jamespage:  +1
[15:36] <Will> anyone have a upto date guide on making a ubuntu web server with zpanel or webim?
[15:36] <jamespage> zul, OK - once they have build tested I'll upload
[15:36] <zul> sweet
[15:38] <EDocToor> Hi
[15:39] <Will> hello
[15:41] <Nishok> Hello everyone, I am having issues starting my MySQL server after I have restarted my VDS, here is a screenshot of the SSH: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1730.png Does anyone have any idea?
[15:45] <dlloyd> check syslog for more error messages
[15:46] <rbasak> /var/log/mysql for mysql-specific errors on Ubuntu IIRC
[15:48] <Nishok> dlloyd and rbasak: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1748.png
[15:49] <Nishok> (ignore "ls /var/log/syslog", was a typo :P)
[15:52] <dlloyd> are there any messages in syslog relating to mysql?
[15:53] <Nishok> cat isn't showing anything for syslog.. is it empty?? http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1753.png
[15:53] <Nishok> dlloyd
[15:54] <dlloyd> looks that way
[15:58] <Daviey> adam_g jamespage zul smoser, why is hallyn up as the next chair?
[15:58] <jamespage> Daviey, no idea
[15:58] <smoser> why should he not be?
[15:58] <zul> no idea
[15:58] <smoser> i did last week
[15:59] <jamespage> smoser, ah - I see
[15:59] <Daviey> smoser: he is embedded in the middle of the queue
[15:59] <smoser> "Char Candidates" != "queue"
[15:59] <Daviey> it always used to be..
[15:59] <smoser> well, i did last week
[16:00] <smoser> i dont know who did the week before that
[16:00] <smoser> i think zul
[16:00] <zul> i did the week before smoser
[16:00] <Daviey> ugh
[16:00] <smoser> i could tell you, but no one uploaded meeting minutes btween 0423 and last week
[16:00] <smoser> :)
[16:00] <Daviey> When did people stop moving their name to the tail of the list?
[16:00] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server
[16:07] <jamespage> adam_g_, zul: I'm really hoping one of you spotted the missing epoch from the 2013.1.2 updates prior to upload
[16:07] <adam_g_> jamespage, where?
[16:07] <jamespage> adam_g_, for example - https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/raring/cinder/2013.1.2/+merge/168177
[16:08] <adam_g_> jamespage, oh ya, i caught that after i merged but before uploading
[16:08] <adam_g_> jamespage, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=1
[16:08] <Daviey> well, it would have got rejected :)
[16:08] <adam_g_> need to push corrections back
[16:09] <jamespage> adam_g_, good-oh
[16:10] <adam_g_> oh actually i fixed them in the merge
[16:25] <jamespage> zul: most of those uploaded
[16:25] <jamespage> python-testtools needs a new dep
[16:26] <zul> jamespage:  do you want me to do testtools?
[16:26] <jamespage> zul, sure - that would be helpful
[16:26] <utlemming> smoser: re Bug 1079897, would you have time to upload that to -propsed?
[16:26] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[16:26] <utlemming> smoser: I have the branches prepped.
[16:27] <smoser> ?
[16:27] <smoser> it is marked fix-released everywhere.
[16:27] <utlemming> smoser: whoops, wrong bug :)
[16:27] <utlemming> smoser: bug 1189571
[16:29] <hallyn> zul: all tests passed on 1.0.6!  woohoo.  now that was on ec2 without /dev/kvm...
[16:29] <zul> hallyn:  good enough for me :)
[16:30] <zul> jamespage:  need python-mimeparse as well
[16:30] <EDocToor> All I wanted to do was to run one OPENSOURCE package called "ofbiz" and it seems that I have to be a Computer Technical wizard and learn EVERTHING server before I can even get started... I would love to quit windows.. but everytime I try to do anything in linux I am deluded by the overwhelming prospect of becoming a Scolar before I can do anything.. Ok, I have to choose between the Red Pill or the Blue Pill... I'll do more resear
[16:30] <EDocToor> ch and return when I discover what my question is.. have a great day everyone ;-)
[16:32] <utlemming> smoser, Daviey: I'm not sure if this a bug, but it look likes like libpam_modules no longer creates /etc/update-motd.d
[16:33] <smoser> $ dpkg -S /etc/update-motd.d/
[16:33] <smoser> base-files, update-notifier-common, ubuntu-release-upgrader-core: /etc/update-motd.d
[16:33] <utlemming> smoser: take a look at the latest daily for the cloud images
[16:34] <jamespage> zul: http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/ca-updates/
[16:34] <zul> jamespage:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[16:35] <zul> jamespage:  +1
[16:35] <jamespage> zul, you need more -v
[16:35] <utlemming> smoser: this is in regards to saucy
[16:35] <zul> jamespage: doh..
[16:36] <zul> jamespage:  but its the last changelog entry before the upload
[16:36] <jamespage> zul, it really needs to be the changelog since the last upload to the CA
[16:36] <zul> jamespage:  ah ok
[16:36] <zul> jamespage:  and if its a new dep?
[16:36] <jamespage> zul, -v since whats in precise
[16:37] <utlemming> smoser: oh, never mind, it's there...but on first login you don't get anything
[16:37] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[16:37] <jamespage> zul, I though it was always like that
[16:37] <jamespage> at least thats what my script does that I use
[16:37] <zul> jamespage:  nope
[16:38] <zul> im using adam_g_'s script in the openstack-ubunt-testing bzr branch
[16:38] <smoser> utlemming,
[16:38] <smoser> given http://paste.ubuntu.com/5755400/
[16:38] <smoser> is there a way that i know what is "daily" and what is released?
[16:38] <adam_g_> zul, you can specify how many changelog entries to include in .changes
[16:39] <jamespage> adam_g_, zul: ooo - I have a bit of python which works out what the right version to -v from is
[16:39] <jamespage> based on whats in the CA already
[16:39] <zul> jamespage:  oooh
[16:39] <utlemming> smoser: er, you should be seeing dailes...
[16:39] <zul> that would be nice, mind throwing it in openstack-ubuntu-testing scripts
[16:40] <smoser> utlemming, thats 'azure vm image list'
[16:40] <smoser> i'm just confused as to what that represents. which thing is "released" and which is just a daily
[16:40] <utlemming> smoser: the dailes are supposed to be something like Ubuntu_DAILY_BUILD-saucy-13_10-amd64-server-20130611-en-us-30GB
[16:41] <smoser> it'd be really nice if they were named something like:
[16:41] <smoser> ubuntu-saucy-daily-i386-server-20130611
[16:41] <smoser> ie, consistent
[16:41] <zul> adam_g_:  how?
[16:46] <adam_g_> zul, -v
[16:48] <zul> jamespage:  ok updated
[16:53] <utlemming> smoser: okay, the dailies are public now
[16:54] <utlemming> smoser: that was a builder error, that is now fixed
[16:55] <smoser> utlemming, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5755460/
[16:55] <smoser> i dont see saucy
[16:55] <smoser> and is still am confused about which is released and which is daily
[16:55] <utlemming> run it again...it looks like some of the end points haven't seen the publication flag yet
[16:56] <utlemming> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5755466/
[17:08] <hallyn> stgraber: I'm going to push the lock move patch to staging, as noone has reviewed it, fwiw.  we can always revert it
[17:11] <stgraber> hallyn: must have missed that one
[17:11] <stgraber> hallyn: was that the /run/lock change?
[17:12] <hallyn> yeah
[17:13] <hallyn> zul: could you accept the nomiation for series on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1188850 ?
[17:14] <zul> hallyn:  done
[17:14] <jcastro> utlemming: or smoser: who wants to field this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/306634/differences-between-aws-ubuntu-image-and-a-fresh-install
[17:14] <hallyn> zul: thanks!
[17:14] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess we already have code in there to recursively create the directories?
[17:15] <hallyn> yes
[17:15] <hallyn> that's the mkdir_p
[17:15] <hallyn> oh yeah that's not in the patch context, i see
[17:15] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, that bit wasn't visible in the diff
[17:15] <stgraber> right
[17:15] <stgraber> ok, sending my ack now
[17:16] <hallyn> thanks - ttyl
[17:19] <zul> hallyn:  about to upload libvirt
[17:19] <hallyn> zul: ok
[17:34] <rbasak> mdeslaur: thanks for the php5-gd fix!
[17:34] <mdeslaur> rbasak: np! :)
[17:43] <Will> having trouble instaling zpanel to my ubuntu server
[17:46] <zotta> hi
[17:46] <Nishok> Hello everyone, I have installed MySQL-Server-5.5 but I can't start it by using "service mysql start", it gives the error "unrecognized service". Here is a screenshot of it being installed + trying to run it: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1945.png
[17:46] <zotta> i want to uninstall bind9
[17:46] <zotta> but it won't stop
[17:46] <zotta> Error: /run/resolvconf/interface either does not exist or is not a directory
[17:46] <zotta> when i do service bind9 stop
[17:47] <zotta> how to uninstall it?
[17:48] <sarnold> Nishok: what does ls -l /etc/init/mysql.conf give you?
[17:48] <Nishok> zotta: apt-get purge bind9 should do the trick (it will remove everything of bind9)
[17:49] <Nishok> sarnold: ls: cannot access /etc/init/mysql.conf: No such file or directory
[17:49] <sarnold> Nishok: is mysql-server-5.5 installed?
[17:49] <zotta> Removing bind9 ...
[17:49] <zotta>  * Stopping domain name service... bind9                                                                           resolvconf: Error: /run/resolvconf/interface either does not exist or is not a directory
[17:49] <zotta> invoke-rc.d: initscript bind9, action "stop" failed.
[17:49] <zotta> dpkg: error processing bind9 (--purge):
[17:50] <Nishok> sarnold: Yes, look at the screenshot to see the information of the mysql-server 5.5: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1945.png
[17:50] <zotta> does not work
[17:50] <sarnold> Nishok: that shows mysql-server is installed, but says nothing about mysql-server-5.5
[17:51] <sarnold> zotta: this is a bit gross... but perhaps "sudo mkdir -p /var/resolvconf/interface ; sudo apt-get purge bind9"
[17:51] <zotta> yay: killall named did the trick
[17:51] <sarnold> oh better :)
[17:51] <Nishok> sarnold: Well, I did "apt-get install mysql-server" and it installed, including asking me to keep the current root passwords or change them, etc.. :/
[17:51] <sarnold> Nishok: hrm...
[17:51] <sarnold> Nishok: what does dpkg -l 'mysql*' look like?
[17:52] <Nishok> sarnold: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1952.png
[17:53] <sarnold> Nishok: aha :) normal is 'ii', 'iU' indicates something is wrong.. try dpkg-reconfigure -a
[17:54] <Nishok> sarnold: TIL :D
[17:54] <Nishok> Anyways, here: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1953.png
[17:56] <sarnold> Nishok: harumph. :)  okay, try "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-client-5.5 mysql-server mysql-server-core-5.5" ...
[17:58] <Nishok> sarnold: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_1957.png
[17:59] <sw> What would be the tar command to put /dir1 /dir2 /dir3 in a .tar.gz called backup_YYYYMMDD?
[17:59] <sarnold> Nishok: there might be a 'polite' way to fix this, but if this were mine, I'd copy the databases and configurations elsewhere, apt-get purge everything, and re-install.
[17:59] <Nishok> I have a backup
[18:00] <Nishok> sarnold: I have a backup of the whole /var/lib/mysql/ folder
[18:00] <Nishok> Is that all I need?
[18:00] <sarnold> Nishok: and probably /etc/my* something
[18:02] <Nishok> sarnold: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_2001.png
[18:02] <sarnold> Nishok: uninstall mysql-server, mysql-server-5.5, and so forth, in the same command
[18:05] <Nishok> sarnold: All clean: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_2005.png
[18:05] <Nishok> What is the best way to install them again?
[18:06] <sarnold> Nishok: mysql-server-5.5 is still 'in', not 'un'... I'd do that one too
[18:07] <Nishok> sarnold: Do I run the autoremove? http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_2006.png
[18:07] <sarnold> Nishok: not yet, maybe later..
[18:07] <Nishok> sarnold: Well, then the mysql-server-5.5 will stay "in"
[18:09] <sarnold> Nishok: okay. now, hopefully "apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client" will do the right thing
[18:10] <Nishok> sarnold: Ended with an error? http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_2010.png
[18:11] <dlloyd> see the line about disk space?
[18:11] <sarnold> Nishok: "no space left on device" for /var/cache --- you've got bigger problems to solve. :)
[18:12] <sarnold> *sigh* once again, odd errors that don't look right --> should check disk space first. How many times do I have to learn that lesson?
[18:12] <Nishok> sarnold: I already checked disk.. it has 9GB left D: http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_2012.png
[18:13] <sarnold> Nishok: the important column is 'Avail' -- the nine gigs is actually held aside for root's exclusive use.
[18:14] <Nishok> sarnold: Ah.. Give me a minute to remove some stuff then.
[18:14] <genii> the 5% reserved, yadda yadda yadda
[18:14] <sarnold> Nishok: tune2fs -m  can change the percentage.
[18:14] <sarnold> Nishok: but don't change it too much, maybe 4 percent, just to get you back up and running, and then clear out space...
[18:14] <sarnold> (without free space, the filesystem will fragment itself to death quickly)
[18:15] <Nishok> sarnold: I already cleared 4.7GB (says Avail) and FTP is still going, so I am fine, no need to change % ^^
[18:15] <Nishok> sarnold: Should I just type "apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client" again?
[18:16] <sarnold> Nishok: yeah
[18:16] <Nishok> sarnold: ugh, error because it is already partially installed. Give me a minute to remove them again xD
[18:20] <Will> anyone have a recentish upto date guide on setting up a webserver with ubuntu? i've been following one but im returning some errors involving my sql root
[18:21] <sarnold> Will: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/web-servers.html
[18:24] <Nishok> sarnold: Seems to be installed correctly, only I think the configs are gone (got deleted before I contacted you tho :S), how can I change the config to be able to connect? http://therealnishok.com/screensnapr/2013-06-11_2023.png
[18:24] <sarnold> Nishok: oh nuts :/ that'll be /etc/my.conf or wherever the configuration is stored..
[18:26] <Nishok> sarnold: Looks empty D:
[18:26] <zotta> I have a self-compiled program (without a package, makefile, etc) and want it to be useable in console without specifying the path
[18:26] <zotta> where should i put the elf?
[18:27] <Nishok> sarnold: Got it ^^
[18:27] <sarnold> zotta: I make a new ~/bin/ directory and add $HOME/bin to my PATH on every system I use...
[18:27] <sarnold> Nishok: oh good :)
[18:28] <zotta> sarnold: from other users
[18:28] <sarnold> zotta: /usr/local/bin
[18:28] <Nishok> sarnold: I assume bind-address is the IP I should change? (currently set to local: <IP_ADDRESS>)
[18:28] <sarnold> Nishok: yes, you may need to hcnage others too
[18:30] <zotta> can i su to a user with /bin/false shell?
[18:30] <zul> adam_g_:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[18:31] <Nishok> sarnold: W00T, got connection, thanks for all your help, holy shit I would have cried in a corner without you :)
[18:32] <sarnold> Nishok: nice! ;) have fun ;)
[18:32] <Nishok> ty ^^
[18:32] <adam_g_> zul, lgtm
[18:32] <zul> adam_g_:  thanks
[18:58] <Will> sarnold: is there a step by step guide for this like http://ubuntuserverguide.com/2012/11/how-to-install-zpanelx-web-hosting-control-panel-on-ubuntu-server-12-04.html/2
[18:58] <sarnold> Will: sorry, no idea on zpanel things..
[18:59] <Will> i was looking into webim as thats the reccomended one
[19:03] <adam_g_> smoser, i think ive hit saucy cloud-init terminating while installing packages across a bunch of machines. all logs end at the same place: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5755881/
[19:04] <smoser> adam_g_, it just blocks ?
[19:05] <smoser> you have /var/log/cloud-init.log ?
[19:05] <adam_g_> smoser, no, i dont see anything blocking it.
[19:05] <adam_g_> one sec
[19:06] <adam_g_> smoser, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5755890/
[19:06] <adam_g_> in any case, its runcmd is never running
[19:08] <smoser> adam_g_, The following packages will be upgraded:
[19:08] <smoser> ... upstart
[19:08] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1124384
[19:09] <adam_g_> smoser, ah
[19:37] <adam_g_> zul, was pbr supposed to eliminate python-setuptools-git?
[19:37] <Enich> I am running a lot of ubuntu minimal cd (machines) on a libvirt kvm installation.   And sometime experience that the servers hang in the grub menu.   I cannot seem to figure out the pattern behind it and wanted to know if someone out there has had the same experince
[19:37] <zul> adam_g_:  no its a dependency checker thing
[19:38] <adam_g_> zul, so its dependency on python-setuptools-git is valid?
[19:38] <zul> yeah
[19:38] <adam_g_> hmm
[19:38] <adam_g_> bummer
[20:19] <Enich> I gotta figure out how to get apt-cacher-ng to pick the fastest mirror, it seems it is currently by default just using us.archive.ubuntu.com   any idears ?
[20:26] <andol> Enich: Does apt-cacher-ng even make any mirror selection by itself? Doesn't it just go to whatever your local sources.list is pointing it to?
[20:29] <vlad_starkov> Question: I got a problem after apt-get upgrade on Ubuntu 12.04 with raid1+encryption+lvm. After reboot the LVM-passphrase is always wrong! Anyone know this issue?
[20:35] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: did you follow the recommendation and backup the LUKS header?
[20:35] <Slyboots> Evening
[20:36] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: NO!
[20:36] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: I just started reading about LUKS header...
[20:36] <vlad_starkov> after this happened
[20:36] <Slyboots> LUKS?
[20:37] <vlad_starkov> on another exactly the same machine I made apt-get upgrade and reboot and it's fine...
[20:37] <Enich> andol, Im not sure.. it seems like it has mirrors in the etc directory ..
[20:37] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: I might suggest going to the #ubuntu-devel channel for this question. Off the bat, it sounds like the header may have been corrupted/damaged.
[20:37] <Enich> it for some reason picks us mirrors despight im en europe
[20:37] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: thnaks
[20:37] <Slyboots> Huh.. you cant to RAID5/6 with Btrfs?
[20:38] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: But I read that if I use dm-crypt there is no such a thing like header
[20:38] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: how can I know what I use?
[20:39] <madprops> I set up an ircd-irc2 server but it takes a lot of time to establish connection, is there a way to make this faster?
[20:39] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: "cryptsetup isLuks <Device>"
[20:39] <andol> Enich: From what I recall that mirror list is mostly to merge the cache files from different mirrors containing the same files.
[20:39] <sarnold> madprops: probably disable identd lookups
[20:40] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: If it is raid I should do in initramfs "cryptsetup isLuks /dev/md1" ?
[20:40] <andol> Enich: No matter if apt-cacher-ng can do magic or not, you can definetly point it to a specific mirror using your sources.list entry, so why don't you just pick a good local mirror for now?
[20:42] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: this command returns nothing
[20:42] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: is the raid assembled? i.e. does /dev/md1 exist?
[20:43] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: yes
[20:43] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: and cat /proc/mdstat returns healthy result
[20:44] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: I would go over #ubuntu-devel....you'll find the encryption experts hanging out there.
[20:44] <Slyboots> Damn, this is a bit of a downer, weird taht btrfs doesnt support anything other than RAID1/10
[20:46] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: Asked a question there. But there is silence for the moment...
[20:46] <madprops> sarnold, should I be using  /ircd-hybrid/ ?
[20:46] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: what does "sudo blkid" show?
[20:48] <sarnold> madprops: I'm not sure. On the one hand, taking a distro-provided ircd means you get the community to help support it; on the other hand, if you're running a public network, being 'hooked in' with the upstream ircd developers would probably be useful, whether that's oftc-hybrid or plain hybrid or whatever..
[20:48] <Enich> andol,   The issue is that the deployment is done automatically so i would have to do it via a kickstart file
[20:50] <andol> Enich: I'm afraid I really don't see the problem. Nevertheless, I'm off to bed now.
[20:50] <andol> *poof'
[20:53] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: oooops..... blkid: TYPE="CRYPTO_LUKS"
[20:57] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: so it is a luks...I would backup the header now.
[20:57] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: the server is on the remote side
[20:57] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: i.e. cryptupsetup luksHeaderBackup /dev/md1 header.img
[20:58] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: so it will copy it to the RAM?
[20:58] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: yeah, it won't hurt....just don't reboot until you get into the box
[20:59] <sw> What would be the tar command to put /dir1 /dir2 /dir3 in a .tar.gz called backup_YYYYMMDD?
[21:00] <sarnold> sw: where are you stuck?
[21:03] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: ok that command returned nothing. ls -al shows header.img with 2097152 bytes
[21:04] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: try "crpytsetup luksOpen /dev/md1 volume"
[21:06] <Slyboots> So, heres a query since I cant use btrfs.  Planning on building a NAS/general purpose server for a home user.  What sort of FS would you recomend?
[21:06] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: I'm supposing to launch /lib/cryptsetup/askpass 'unlocking' | /sbin/cryptsetup -T 1 luksOpen /dev/md1 md1_crypt --key-file=-
[21:06] <Slyboots> I know you can just use raid5 with MDADM, but thats very slow doing building/syncing
[21:07] <Slyboots> So I.. really dont know.
[21:11] <shodan45> anyone use atftpd in ubuntu server?
[21:12] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: just a hunch, but does /lib/crytsetup/askpass even exist?
[21:12] <shodan45> and as a daemon, not via inetd, etc?
[21:15] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: I'm rebooting.... will try to enter upper i instead of lover L
[21:15] <vlad_starkov> lower
[21:16] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: It works!!!  As you recommended me I asked people in #ubuntu-devel in addition to #ubuntu-server. Your advices were almost the same as slangasek's from #ubuntu-devel. Thank you guys so much!
[21:20] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: no problem...just back up your headers...and do a lvm backup as well. It never hurts to have a backup of those in case things go south on you.
[21:24] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: what would be the cheatsheet for backup luks and lvm headers? "cryptupsetup luksHeaderBackup /dev/md1 --header-backup-file header.img" for luks. And what will be for LVM?
[21:25] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: its been a while since I've done that....I have not used LVM in a good while. :(
[21:26] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: not a problem. I'll ask in #ubuntu-devel. Anyways now I know that there is LVM headers exist and that I have to backup them :-)
[21:27] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: as far I go with Ubuntu as far I get new knowledge
[21:28] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: thanks again! God save IRC :-)
[21:33]  * vlad_starkov backup backup backup...... and backup!
[21:35] <utlemming> vlad_starkov: try looking at the vgcfgbackup command
[21:35] <vlad_starkov> utlemming: Thanks
[21:51] <madprops> sarnold, pretty much every google result regarding ircd refers to ircd-hybrid
[21:51] <madprops> I'm trying to enable ssl on ircd-irc2
[21:53] <sarnold> madprops: e.g. http://www.oftc.net/CodingProjects/
[23:03] <EDocToor> I am so stupid...
[23:03] <EDocToor> I guess no one is going to debate that... ummm
[23:04] <Will> im logged in as root through ssh (putty) and running some commands but having no response, any ideas?
[23:04] <EDocToor> Will
[23:04] <Will> Hey
[23:04] <EDocToor> we are prob doing the same thing
[23:04] <EDocToor> with vi /etc/network/interfaces
[23:04] <EDocToor> and not knowing what to put in there
[23:05] <Will> im trying to do touch /etc/network/interfaces
[23:05] <Will> and it wont do anything
[23:05] <Will> nor repond with an error etc
[23:05] <EDocToor> my apt-get won't even work
[23:05] <EDocToor> so your better than I
[23:05] <Will> ah mine worked there, lol
[23:05] <EDocToor> LOL
[23:05] <Will> you running in a virtual machine?
[23:06] <Will> like virtualbox?
[23:06] <EDocToor> No new US Box
[23:06] <EDocToor> only thing I touched was interface
[23:06] <EDocToor> nothing works now
[23:06] <Will> http://www.gizmojunkee.com/2012/12/install-ubuntu-minimal-server-webmin/
[23:06] <Will> i went through that guide mate if u want to follow it
[23:07] <EDocToor> so I know that I have the address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway or dns-nameserver wrong
[23:07] <EDocToor> Awesome..  Will
[23:08] <sarnold> Will: what do you mean, "ls command isn't responding'?
[23:09] <Will> yeh
[23:09] <EDocToor> I remember
[23:09] <sarnold> Will: can you pastebin what you've got on screen?
[23:09] <Will> doesn't ls list the files in the current directory through bash/putty
[23:10] <EDocToor> take care Will .. I will read that tutorial and be back...
[23:11] <Will> sarnold: http://pastebin.com/gE6AFsyv
[23:13] <sarnold> Will: your current working directory (/root in this case) has only "dotfiles" in it; ls doesn't show _all_ files by default. try ls -la to see the dotfiles and extended information on those files
[23:13] <sarnold> Will: cp and touch and similar commands will only print output if there are problems
[23:13] <sarnold> they worked fine, so no output.
[23:14] <Will> ahh right
[23:14] <EDocToor> nice... so your good
[23:16] <Will> but when im doing touch /etc/network/interfaces meant to open that up?
[23:16] <Will> for editing?
[23:16] <Will> oh wait no
[23:16] <Will> it creates the directory doesnt it
[23:16] <Will> if its not there
[23:16] <Will> touch is used to create files
[23:16] <sarnold> Will: no; touch only updates the timestamp on a file -- or creates the file, if it does not yet exist.
[23:17] <Will> yeh, i remember now, cheers
[23:17] <Will> been a while since bash ^^
[23:17] <EDocToor> I haven't used touch yet... and wouldn't even know why I would ..
[23:18] <EDocToor> Thanks Will that link might be what I am stuck on.. if it shows what I should type for gateway
[23:23] <Will> sarnold: http://pastebin.com/6tLGDELi
[23:24] <sarnold> Will: > is an HTML entity that should expand to >
[23:24] <sarnold> Will: you might want to find a better guide to learn from :)
[23:24] <Will> ahh haha, guy must of not scripted his blog correctly there then
[23:24] <Will> cheers for the translation
[23:25] <sarnold> a ton of blogs and the like very completely destroy things that you should copy-and-paste.
[23:25] <sarnold> my favorite is the idiot websites that turn " into smartquotes. I think that's a wordpressism.
[23:25] <Will> yeah i never bother with the copy paste just for that factor
[23:25] <sarnold> it's nearly invisible to the naked eye why things break...
[23:26] <sarnold> Will: there's other good reasons to not copy-and-paste from websites: http://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste
[23:26] <genii> "plagiarism"
[23:26] <sarnold> genii: lol
[23:49] <Slyboots> Hey.. Uh, can anyone give me some advice on a problem so I can finally go to sleep :P
[23:50] <Slyboots> Trying to creatre a 5x disk RAID5 array in Ubuntu 12 server, but for some baffling reason it creates a 4disk array, then tries to build the 5th as a "recovery"
[23:50] <madprops> fsck it, fsck it all night long
[23:51] <Slyboots> with the resync going to take.. well, days and days.. and days..
[23:51] <Slyboots> Right now I've got 5 partitions (all the same size) across 5 disks as /dev/sd?6.  So  I run mdadm /dev/md3 --create --raid-level=5 --raid-devices=5 /dev/sd[abcde]6
[23:52] <Slyboots> The only noteworthy thing in syslog is this "[ 4470.184731] md/raid:md3: raid level 5 active with 4 out of 5 devices, algorithm 2
[23:52] <Slyboots> "
[23:52] <Slyboots> Any ideas?
[23:54] <sarnold> Slyboots: the first bits of googling I find suggest mdadm ... --level=5   not --raid-level=5. Can you check that parameter in the manpage?
[23:54] <Slyboots> sarnold, Sorry.  I have been using --level5
[23:54] <Slyboots> # mdadm --create /dev/md3 --level=5 --raid-devices=5 /dev/sd[abcde]6
[23:54] <sarnold> Slyboots: I see a result about --spare-devices=N -- can you try adding --spare-devices=0 and see if that forces the behavior your want?
[23:54] <sarnold> Slyboots: drat :)
[23:55] <Slyboots> Adding --spare-devices=0 does not seem to alter the behavior
[23:56] <sarnold> Slyboots: sorry, that was my best idea..
[23:56] <Slyboots> I mean, at this rate its going to take over 11 days just to build the array :P
[23:57] <Slyboots> The problem does seem to be its treating disk 5 as a spare ( 5       8       70        4      spare rebuilding   /dev/sde6)
[23:58] <EDocToor> New Ubuntu Server Install; ifconfig results; addr:<IP_ADDRESS>,, Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>,, Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>,, Loopback addr:<IP_ADDRESS>,, Mask:<IP_ADDRESS> -- and I edited interfaces iface eth0 inet static, address <IP_ADDRESS>,, netmask <IP_ADDRESS>,, network:<IP_ADDRESS>,,broadcast:<IP_ADDRESS>,,gateway:<IP_ADDRESS>,,dns-nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:58] <EDocToor> am I doing something wrong that is obvious
[23:58] <Slyboots> Maybe Raid5 doesnt like working on 5 disks?
[23:59] <sarnold> EDocToor: your gateway is in 192.168.1.xxx but your network is 192.168.0.xxx -- one of those is probably wrong.
[23:59] <sarnold> EDocToor: you _can_ have a gateway address that's not in your "local network", but it takes more work, so it isn't very common.
[23:59] <Slyboots> your addr and Bcasta are also on different subnets..
[23:59] <Slyboots> I seriously doubt thats correct


[01:54] <Darkwing> MarkDude: you going to be at UDS?
[02:09] <MarkDude> yes
[02:10] <MarkDude> trying to get a few others to go
[02:10] <philipballew> MarkDude, do you know about a uds a's game?
[02:10] <philipballew> aint no party like a baseball party
[02:24] <MarkDude> Uh, do we have 25 people interested?
[02:24] <MarkDude> If we do we can get group price
[02:24] <MarkDude> Create sumthin on the wiki
[02:25] <MarkDude> Sat the 12th or maybe fri 11th
[02:26] <philipballew> Toronto or detroit if my mind serves me correctly
[03:38] <bkerensa> TIL that 20% of the Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Roster had Code Commits that were accepted into 12.04 LTS :)
[03:39] <bkerensa> :D Now if we could just be as social as the folks down in Sunny California :D
[03:39] <akk> Where do I report a bug on a page on help.ubuntu.com? Is there a launchpad project for that?
[03:42] <philipballew> bkerensa, am i still okay to join the loco for oscon?
[03:43] <bkerensa> philipballew: Still waiting on word back from O'Reilly.... They will let us know in June but I will discuss with you at OSCON
[03:44] <bkerensa> akk: Doc Team
[03:44] <akk> thanks, bkerensa
[03:44] <bkerensa> akk: In theory though we are working to nuke help.ubuntu.com :)
[03:44] <philipballew> bkerensa, alright, well have to talk about it at uds
[03:44] <bkerensa> and replace it with Sumo
[03:44] <akk> Ooh, I hope this page doesn't get nuked -- it's a great page modulo one very small error.
[03:45] <akk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[03:45] <philipballew> akk, cant people edit them?
[03:45] <philipballew> there like wiki's right?
[03:46] <akk> There's an ubuntu wiki but I think it has wiki in the url, doesn't it?
[03:46] <bkerensa> akk: you can edit help.ubuntu.com :)
[03:47] <bkerensa> its on my to do list to plow through updating a lot of documentation in Q cycle
[03:48] <akk> Cool! If it ever logs me in (still waiting...) I'll fix the page myself.
[03:50] <philipballew> bkerensa, the future docs master
[03:51] <bkerensa> philipballew: not even :P it just needs to get done
[03:51] <bkerensa> and Doc Team is really barebone right now
[03:51] <bkerensa> there are less then 10 active people on the doc team
[03:51] <akk> Will existing help pages be migrated to sumo?
[03:51] <bkerensa> maybe more like 5 or less in reality
[03:51] <philipballew> bkerensa,  I need to find a area of ubuntu to help in.  Any ideas?
[03:51] <akk> Otherwise I want to make sure I capture this page -- I'm sure I'll want it again.
[03:52] <bkerensa> akk: Most certainly... The talks are still very early right now but Sumo is a good platform and Canonical wants it and some of us like it
[03:52] <bkerensa> :D
[03:52] <akk> whew
[03:52] <bkerensa> philipballew: Doc Work? Bug Control?
[03:53] <philipballew> i do need to learn better programing skills. Big work can help right? bkerensa
[03:54] <bkerensa> philipballew: Bug Work can... Start on bitesize and learn to package and keep on pushing on
[03:54] <philipballew> packaging is fun
[03:54] <akk> Yep. If you don't have programming projects you're already working on, fixing bugs can give you good motivation.
[03:55] <philipballew> Im to uncreative to program my own stuff these days
[03:55] <bkerensa> As soon as 12.10 Alpha 1 hits I can resubmit a bunch of merge proposals
[03:56]  * bkerensa kept fixing bugs past the string freeze
[03:57] <philipballew> bkerensa, what kinda bugs?
[05:01] <philipballew> The california channel has been talkative today. This is good.
[05:02] <DonkeyHotei> you mean on tv?
[05:04] <philipballew> no, here. but I do like the california pbs channel
[05:04] <philipballew> Hi, im huell howser and this is Californias gold!
[05:05] <DonkeyHotei> i was referring to The California Channel
[05:06] <DonkeyHotei> you know, from inside the capitol
[05:06] <philipballew> hum, I dont have cable
[05:07] <philipballew> I should look into that
[05:07] <DonkeyHotei> i didn't have cable in Sac, either
[05:07] <DonkeyHotei> no tv needed there to see the capitol
[05:08] <philipballew> sac is a nice city. Except when you want to do something...
[05:11] <DonkeyHotei> when wouldn't one want to do something?
[05:12] <philipballew> maybe when Im sleeping
[05:12] <philipballew> so basically sac is for people who want to sleep
[05:14] <DonkeyHotei> i've slept more here in SF
[16:00] <bkerensa> philipballew: So you wanted to do something really big in 12.10 right?
[16:00] <bkerensa> :D
[16:02] <philipballew> bkerensa, yeah! something that says, "wow, the phil person is good"
[16:04] <bkerensa> philipballew: well I am going to likely be leading the Doc Team's transition of help.ubuntu.com from its current platform to Sumo :) I will likely need help with this and will start planning at UDS
[16:04] <philipballew> I will be there. what is sumo?
[16:04] <philipballew> do I have to sumo wrestle bkerensa ? because he would win...
[16:05] <bkerensa> http://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/about/
[16:05] <bkerensa> Sumo is basically a Support Platform that Mozilla Develops :)
[16:05] <bkerensa> and its far superior to anything we have in the Ubuntu Community
[16:05] <philipballew> so it runs on just firefox?
[16:08] <philipballew> ah, i see what it is bkerensa. what all needs to be done?
[16:09] <bkerensa> philipballew: Migrate all the articles from help.ubuntu.com to the new platform
[16:09] <bkerensa> and test and configure the new platform in the cloud to ensure stability before pulling the plug on the old platform
[16:09] <bkerensa> its a pretty massive project since help.ubuntu.com has so much content
[16:10] <philipballew> bkerensa, what kind of skills do I need to do this?
[16:10] <philipballew> I have some skills
[16:10] <philipballew> num chuck skills
[16:11] <philipballew> bow hunting skills
[16:11] <philipballew> Im pretty good with a bow-staff
[16:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: all of the above with a little bit of level 1 necromancy
[16:12] <philipballew> That makes scene.
[16:13] <philipballew> I dont see why I cant. I am always looking for some new computer skill to put on my resume.
[16:14]  * akk plays with Mozilla's sumo ... seems to work fairly well but I wish they'd add "quoted phrase searches"
[16:15] <philipballew> what programing language do I need to know bkerensa
[16:16] <bkerensa> philipballew: none :)
[16:16] <bkerensa> philipballew: I will just need volunteers to help me with migrating the heaps of content in its entirety
[16:16] <philipballew> I do type docs for a living currently.
[16:16] <bkerensa> and for testing
[16:17] <philipballew> so yeah, I will help you lead the way here. Were gonna have to talk about it at UDS as well.
[16:17] <bkerensa> philipballew: indeed
[16:18] <philipballew> Is there a sumo session?
[16:18] <philipballew> and if there is, do I have to come dressed a a sumo wrestler?
[16:19] <bkerensa> philipballew: we will have to get a new one up... Canonistack instance died
[16:19] <philipballew> whats that?
[16:20] <akk> What's involved with migrating? They can't be imported automatically?
[16:20] <philipballew> a nice script to do it maybe?
[16:26] <philipballew> are there already meetings for uds scheduled around it bkerensa ?
[16:26] <bkerensa> philipballew: nope... I am not sure how that works?
[16:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: can I propose a meeting if I am leading a project in Q?
[16:27] <philipballew> bkerensa, yeah, you can I believe.
[16:27] <pleia2> bkerensa: anyone can propose a meeting, but you need to follow up with the team lead on that track to get it accepted
[16:27] <pleia2> and be sure to follow the blueprint creation specs outlined in jcastro's email
[16:35] <MarkDude> So UDS requires me to give my flight details
[16:35] <MarkDude> AWESOME
[16:36] <pleia2> arrival and departure from the summit should be required, but flight shouldn't be
[16:36] <pleia2> (they weren't when I signed up)
[16:36] <pleia2> MarkDude: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2012-April/001935.html
[16:36] <pleia2> instructions I sent to the list for registering
[16:36] <pleia2> (includes notes about arrival and departure)
[16:37] <pleia2> that's how they track how many days people will be there so they can plan the right amount of stuff each day
[16:37] <MarkDude> registerred
[16:38] <MarkDude> Had to put the times I will be in area
[16:38] <MarkDude> I put the week before- until August ;)
[16:39]  * MarkDude is hoping many people will be able to attend the Jono-palooza loud music show the weekend before
[16:39] <akk> Requiring arrival and departure shouldn't be required either -- or should be explained.
[16:39] <akk> I had no idea what I was supposed to put there, so I just put the start/end dates of UDS.
[16:40] <MarkDude> Shhhh, akk- your common sense need not apply here :D
[16:40] <philipballew> yeah, Im gonna spend 3 weeks after uds in the area, so I was unsure what they meant...
[16:40] <pleia2> yeah, it's certainly not designed for locals (the number of locals attending is usually a very small percentage)
[16:40] <MarkDude> altho it does make sense to make count for each day
[16:40] <akk> philipballew: I arrived in the area about 15 years ago, and I have no idea how many more years I'll spend here.
[16:40] <pleia2> MarkDude: please be nice, these things are largely run by community volunteers
[16:40] <pleia2> (summit itself is a community project)
[16:41] <akk> If they want to know which days of the conference you'll be there, why don't they just ask that?
[16:41] <philipballew> the bay area is to nice an area to leave
[16:41] <philipballew> are you communing or using a hotel?
[16:41] <akk> Even if I were flying, I'd be annoyed if they wanted to know how long I was going to stay afterward to explore the area -- none of their business.
[16:41] <pleia2> akk: it's also used to help them coordinate when they should have buses at the airport and inviting people on group outings on the weekends
[16:42]  * philipballew give up his bed for 20 a night, 50 I leave sleep on the other side of the room, and 100 I leave the room completely...
[16:42] <akk> pleia2: For airport buses, it shouldn't be required of people not flying; for group outings, a "which days will you be there" would work better.
[16:43] <philipballew> maybe if your a Canonical employee they would
[16:43] <pleia2> they are looking for more volunteers to help with summit :) it's written in python in django
[16:43] <MarkDude> A local button would make sense, but its cool. For a moment I thougt they were requirin flight #- and some take trains.
[16:43] <MarkDude> Hella makes sense tho for days.
[16:43] <philipballew> kevin, the guy I run the4 sd ubuntu hour with has to show up a week from today for uds and has more to worry about as hes a employee for instance
[16:43] <akk> Initially I got a page that was asking questions like that, and passport #. But then when I went back, I got a different page that didn't ask those.
[16:43] <MarkDude> I mean many folks might just be able to make weekend- tuesday
[16:44] <MarkDude> or thur- weekend
[16:44] <MarkDude> Without that info- I bet it would be much harder to plan
[16:45] <philipballew> Im taking the train so the flight doesnt even apply
[16:46] <MarkDude> +1 train
[16:46]  * MarkDude loves the train
[16:47] <akk> Trains rock.
[16:47] <philipballew> who are you guys? Sheldon Cooper?
[16:47]  * philipballew hides when they dont get the tv reference
[16:48] <pleia2> I'm a member of the market street railway :D
[16:48] <pleia2> I actually didn't know trains were a geek thing until watching TBBT
[16:48]  * akk doesn't get the reference <- luddite
[16:49] <pleia2> character from The Big Bang Theory, a show about some college physics researchers and their geekiness
[16:49] <pleia2> he loves trains
[16:49] <akk> Ah. That's a show I'd definitely watch if I had cable, but, oh well.
[16:49] <philipballew> so MarkDude will you be trolling with your fedora shirt?
[16:49] <pleia2> it's OTA
[16:49] <pleia2> CBS
[16:50] <akk> Can't pick up any broadcast here ... maybe we could if we bought a huge antenna.
[16:50] <pleia2> ah
[16:50] <philipballew> alot
[16:50] <akk> Also, our TV is old and not digital and we never bought one of those converter dealies.
[16:50] <pleia2> philipballew: I assure you, wearing a fedora shirt at UDS is not trolling
[16:50] <pleia2> it's a very welcoming conference, and we want diversity in attendees
[16:51] <pleia2> it's nice and healthy to get perspective from how other distros are doing :)
[16:51] <philipballew> oh, sounds good then, Ill be sure to bring my windows server 2003 shirt then.
[16:52] <pleia2> I really hope you're not comparing fedora to windows
[16:52] <philipballew> no, im not :)
[16:52] <pleia2> fedora is another community-driven open source distribution that has a lot of similarites to ubuntu
[16:52]  * philipballew runs fedora
[16:52] <pleia2> windows... I'm afraid we can't learn much from how they run their community (do they have one?)
[16:53] <philipballew> shh, dont tell the ubuntu people
[16:53] <pleia2> it's really not this big war you're making it out to be ;)
[16:53] <pleia2> we should all run what works well for us, even if we contribute to both
[16:53] <akk> Linux distro people are all on the same side!
[16:53] <akk> The differences are really pretty small.
[16:54]  * philipballew should never be takin seriously
[16:54] <pleia2> philipballew: it reflects poorly on us all when we play the distros against each other
[16:54] <pleia2> even joking (since it's hard to tell)
[16:55] <philipballew> alright, will refrain. epically at uds.
[16:55] <pleia2> there is plenty of that done by journalists and others wanting to cash in on inflammatory headlines, as members of this project we really don't need to feed the flames
[16:56] <MarkDude> philipballew, I will wear my Beefy Miracle shirt
[16:56] <philipballew> yeah, my google plus page was littered with a few articles last week about why Ubuntu is not linux and ubuntu is a evil distro... it seems odd that beople can take offence when you run a distro different then yours
[16:56] <MarkDude> And next a Free Geek shirt
[16:57] <MarkDude> then I will wear an *I    F    Freedom* shirt
[16:57] <MarkDude> trolling tho, nope
[16:57] <philipballew> yeah, dont worry, Im just messing with the trolling thing. I know that.
[16:58]  * MarkDude only takes excpetion to Ubuntu NOTusing the word LINUX. And that silly phrase- the Ubuntu Kernel
[16:58] <MarkDude> But I am more focused on common issues
[16:58] <akk> Avoiding the word Linux is bad, yeah.
[16:59] <pleia2> MarkDude: that's how we talk about kernels, even the Debian release notes reference the Debian Kernel, it means that it has specific patches for the distribution
[16:59] <pleia2> and it's not avoided, the release notes everyone complains about said:
[16:59] <pleia2> Ubuntu Kernel
[16:59] <pleia2> Beta-2 includes the 3.2.0-20.33 Ubuntu kernel which is based on the v3.2.12 upstream stable Linux kernel.
[16:59] <MarkDude> If there is a place to discuss the dropping the word Linux. I will do it there
[16:59] <philipballew> I petitioned for it to be called philbuntu  a few releases ago, and for some reason they didn't go for it.
[17:00] <philipballew> The website doesnt say linux on it.
[17:00] <MarkDude> http://www.ubuntu.com/ ctrl f Linux- ZERO results
[17:00] <akk> Just saying "The Ubuntu kernel" seems reasonable -- it does have changes from kernel.org kernels.
[17:00] <pleia2> MarkDude: try that on http://www.debian.org/
[17:00] <akk> That is strange, not mentioning Linux on the home page.
[17:00] <philipballew> most ubuntu users know there using linux
[17:00] <MarkDude> http://fedoraproject.org/ 2 results
[17:01] <pleia2> MarkDude: try that on http://www.redhat.com/
[17:01] <akk> philipballew: Do most prospective Ubuntu users know it's Linux?
[17:01] <philipballew> philip@PrincessLeia:~$ uname -s
[17:01] <pleia2> I know it's fun to single out Ubuntu, but they aren't the only one
[17:01] <philipballew> Linux
[17:01] <MarkDude> fair enough, were I going to Debian or RH event- I would be more concerned
[17:01] <philipballew> its true, there not.
[17:02] <MarkDude> Dont think I dont hard time RH
[17:02] <MarkDude> :D
[17:02] <akk> If I was marketing a distro, I'd make that a selling point -- something like "Stable, secure Linux kernel, proven on umpteen million systems from Android phones to Google servers."
[17:02] <philipballew> not every ubuntu user runs uname though
[17:02] <akk> Being Linux is a *good* thing.
[17:02] <pleia2> akk: yeah, I am often surprised that they don't leverage Android more, it's the most popular linux ever (one of the most popular OSes ever)
[17:02] <pleia2> but most people are shocked when I tell them android is linux
[17:02]  * MarkDude does not usually use word Linux when talking about Partimus- I tell folks it i computers that help kds
[17:03] <philipballew> I think people hear linux and think "complicated and command line scares me"
[17:03] <pleia2> MarkDude: "Free Culture" is what we want to stress with Partimus
[17:03] <akk> pleia2: And it makes "Linux" less scary -- "See? You're already using Linux, it's not just for geeks."
 But I have been debating if I want to be known as the dude in the Penguin suit
[17:11]  * MarkDude has decided yes
[17:11] <MarkDude> Well 1st I would like to be known as * the Communitizer*
[19:32] <bkerensa> pleia2: For about a $200 investment or so a LoCo could produce printed sleeves and CD's for about 5 cents per CD or $25 per 500
[19:32] <bkerensa> they wouldnt be as shiny and glossy as the Canonical printed ones but definitely way cheaper
[19:34] <pleia2> bkerensa: we use the paper sleeves
[19:34] <pleia2> if we had $200 (which we don't) there are things we'd rather spend the money on, like pressed CDs
[19:34] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah I was asking our designer guy to transition our logo to your origami thing
[19:34] <bkerensa> :D
[19:35] <bkerensa> but he didn't think people would take burned copies serious so we found a Canon printer that prints onto CD's
[19:35] <pleia2> if we had nice pressed cds it might be worth upgrading the packaging too, but a nice cover is only really impressive if your CD inside isn't marked with a sharpie ;)
[19:36] <pleia2> but at the end of the day we really can't afford either
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah thats why we were discussing the $99 printer that makes nice printed cd's
[19:36] <bkerensa> :d
[19:36] <bkerensa> and a box of paper sleeves is 13
[19:36] <bkerensa> $13*
[19:36] <pleia2> I've also found CDs going the way of the dinosaur, we do a lot more with USB sticks these days
[19:36] <pleia2> now cheap USB sticks would be good :)
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: USB's are $5 a pop
[19:36] <bkerensa> :D
[19:37] <bkerensa> I think the cheapest I have found for custom printed 4GB USB's is $5
[19:37] <pleia2> that's pretty cheap
[19:37] <greg-g> what about 1 gig?
[19:37] <greg-g> or do they even make them anymore? :)
[19:37] <pleia2> 2G would be enough
[19:37] <pleia2> but yeah, I don't think they make such small ones in bulk anymore
[19:37] <pleia2> hi greg-g :)
[19:37] <akk> Strangely, USB sticks don't seem to be any cheaper in bulk than singly.
[19:37] <bkerensa> greg-g: no idea... the CTO at Linbit gave me and our asst lead two beer chalices and some thumbdrives and said they talked them down to $5 per 4GB drive for 250
[19:38] <bkerensa> so if you bought 1000 then maybe even cheaper
[19:38] <akk> You'd think there would be scads of places selling 1G sticks in bulk packs, but I haven't found any.
[19:38]  * akk has been looking for a cheap 10-pack that a class of high schoolers can use to boot ubuntu
[19:38] <philipballew> there cheap enough anyway
[19:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: What we really need is a Public PXE system
[19:39] <bkerensa> some way to network install but on a global scale
[19:39] <greg-g> heya pleia2
[19:39] <greg-g> (sorry, missed that) :)
[19:39] <philipballew> bkerensa, you should set that up
[19:39] <bkerensa> akk: Costco?
[19:39] <bkerensa> philipballew: I would not know where to start I have not yet done a PXE install... always cd-rom or usb
[19:39] <akk> bkerensa: Dunno, but after a $60 membership fee it wouldn't be all that cheap (and $60 just to get in to find out is even worse).
[19:40] <akk> Or whatever they're charging now, it was something like that last I checked.
[19:40] <philipballew> i set up a local pxe server once. Was not to hard
[19:40] <bkerensa> akk: :P I have a Costco membership and if worse comes to worse I could go with you to the one in SF during UDS?
[19:40] <akk> bkerensa: Does costco actually have a deal on usb sticks? If they do, I just might take you up on that.
[19:40] <bkerensa> they have pretty good prices like a 8 pack of 4GB for 25 or something idk
[19:41] <akk> That would be excellent.
[19:41] <bkerensa> akk: They really do but its like seasonal?
[19:41] <bkerensa> lol
[19:41] <bkerensa> kind of like ipods and such
[19:41] <bkerensa> no idea when they have them and when they dont :D
[19:41] <akk> 8 is close enough, I could buy a couple of extras from microcenter or donate a couple of my own.
[19:41] <bkerensa> might be good to call ahead and ask them
[19:41] <pleia2> welcome BigWhale
[19:41] <BigWhale> Greetings!
[19:42] <Faqtotum> thar he blows
[19:43] <BigWhale> So, I was wondering. I'll be at UDS and I'm flying in to SFO on 5th. It will be my third time in the city and I never really get to see any of it. Are there any local people willing to show me around and stuff? Hang out some?
[19:43] <philipballew> Its always a whale of a tale with BigWhale
[19:43] <pleia2> BigWhale: yep! on wednesday night we're offering some guided tourism, and I'll be doing shopping in SF with some folks on Sunday
[19:44] <pleia2> BigWhale: some other events we're doing are being collected here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[19:44] <pleia2> shopping == downtown SF
[19:44] <BigWhale> Sunday 6th?
[19:44] <pleia2> yep
[19:44] <BigWhale> Awesome!
[19:45] <pleia2> downtown SF is an easy train/subway ride away from UDS
[19:45] <pleia2> we made a public transit page too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit
[19:45] <philipballew> Just look for the Im local badges
[19:45] <bkerensa> BigWhale: I am not "local" but I am a native Californian and know SF and most of the bay like the back of my hand
[19:45] <pleia2> oh yes, California team members will be wearing "I'm a Local" badges at UDS itself :)
[19:46] <philipballew> Were gonna be wearing them
[19:46] <bkerensa> I am going to be doing a China Town excursion
[19:46] <philipballew> bkerensa, when is that?
[19:46] <pleia2> bkerensa: bay area debian announcement: http://bad.debian.net/list/2012-April/003491.html maybe talk to Michael Paoli about attaching more chinatown to that?
[19:46] <bkerensa> philipballew: when I make a informal detour with like minded souls who enjoy back alley chinese food :P
[19:46] <pleia2> (may be too late though)
[19:46] <philipballew> I will be going to In N Out at least one night so all people wanting a burger can join.
[19:46] <BigWhale> Now I'm glad I booked one flight earlier. :)
[19:46] <pleia2> err, too late == to late at night
[19:46] <philipballew> bkerensa, count me in
[19:47] <pleia2> wait, SF chinatown or Oakland chinatown?
[19:47] <philipballew> i assume sf
[19:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: I want a "I'm Local Badge" :P I think Three Years of living in the Mission and one in the Marina qualifies :P
[19:47] <pleia2> debian dinner is in oakland chinatown
[19:47] <pleia2> bkerensa: sure
[19:47] <philipballew> i will go to that as well
[19:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: SF
[19:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: I want to spend as little time in Oakland as possible :P
[19:48] <pleia2> BigWhale: I'll firm up details of shopping on Sunday and blog about it later this week, and I'll also send details to the uds-announce list next week
[19:48] <pleia2> about all our events
[19:48] <bkerensa> pleia2: what night is bonfire on Ocean Beach?
[19:48] <bkerensa> :d
[19:49] <pleia2> bkerensa: ocean beach is a long ride
[19:49] <pleia2> maybe saturday after uds ;)
[19:49] <bkerensa> Bart to Embarcadero then N-Judah for Win
[19:49] <bkerensa> :D
[19:49] <pleia2> we can also go to the zoo!
[19:49] <bkerensa> Zoo!
[19:49] <BigWhale> pleia2, that would be great yes. :)
[19:49] <bkerensa> did they get rid of the monkeys that throw bad stuf
[19:49] <bkerensa> its been a long time
[19:50] <pleia2> I don't know about monkeys throwing anything
[19:50] <pleia2> their 42 year old grey seal died last month :( :(
[19:50] <philipballew> THats the only reason I was gonna bring my baseball glove
[19:50] <philipballew> :(
[19:50] <BigWhale> Hmm... Zoo ...
[19:50] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tx29pSicI <--
[19:51] <bkerensa> Monkey does crazy dance to trick you then throws bad things you
[19:51] <bkerensa> that guy
[19:51] <BigWhale> If they have any Whales, we can free them!
[19:51] <BigWhale> ;)
[19:51] <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, the chimps are still in that spot, so maybe they do :)
[19:51] <bkerensa> :(
[19:51] <bkerensa> I guess its better then the Sac Zoo's Rhino
[19:51] <pleia2> BigWhale: haha, we have whale cruises!
[19:51] <pleia2> no captive whales though :)
[19:51] <bkerensa> :D
[19:52] <BigWhale> There better be no captive whale! ;)
[19:52] <pleia2> sometimes whales get into the bay and we need to chase them out
[19:52] <BigWhale> Now I'm starting to get excited... I might actually see some of San Francisco this time.
[19:53] <philipballew> pleia2, Is the evebts page for official events, or can I add my in N Out trip im inviting people to there?
[19:53] <bkerensa> BigWhale: Treasure Island is fun to check out if you get a chance.... They have a bus that leaves downtown and goes there.... Its a old naval base and they have unique things to see
[19:53] <bkerensa> philipballew: the one in the wharf?
[19:53] <akk> Too bad there's no transit to the south bay ... a tour of the best surplus stores would be fun.
[19:54] <philipballew> I think so. Theres only one, maybe two if I am mastaken
[19:54] <pleia2> philipballew: once you have all details and have it in loco.ubuntu.com you can put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/OtherEvents
[19:54] <philipballew> akk, they do have nice ones there
[19:54] <pleia2> philipballew: until then, just put it under ideas or somewhere on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[19:54] <philipballew> thanks pleia2
[19:55] <pleia2> I'm keeping the pages synced up for confirmed events that have details
[19:55] <philipballew> ill do it this week, after I type a few more papers
[19:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://g.co/maps/vdpp2 <-- I used to live there... I could walk to In N Out in like under 20 mins
[19:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, nice :)
[19:56] <pleia2> I live right near Montgomery station, so I can pretty much get anywhere
[19:56] <philipballew> cheeseburger animal style whole grilled onions with chiles please!
[19:57] <pleia2> this is me goofing off on IRC instead of working again
[19:57]  * pleia2 work for real
[19:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: rent is to intense... :P was like 1200 a month and I had two room mates
[19:59] <bkerensa> IMHO if you dont go to the Bay Area too much I highly suggest skipping In and Out and go to Tommy's Joynt on Van Ness
[19:59] <bkerensa> they have been making amazing food there since the 50's
[20:01] <philipballew> I have never been there bkerensa whats it like?
[20:01] <bkerensa> http://www.tommysjoynt.com/menu.htm
[20:02] <bkerensa> philipballew: its a Hofbräu which is like a German Deli/Restaurant/Pub
[20:02] <bkerensa> so they make the freshest european dishes :) mostly of the german variety
[20:02] <philipballew> uasually every friday I ride i ride to in in out. except this friday is Critical Mass friday.
[20:02] <philipballew> I need a new burger place to check out
[20:02] <bkerensa> and have beer from everywhere in Europe... the building survived like two of SF's earthquakes
[20:03] <BigWhale> Oh, and if someone is into Photography, I'd like some pointers where are some shows where they sell photography equipment, I have a list that is a mile long or so... :)
[20:04] <BigWhale> s/shows/shops/
[20:04] <bkerensa> philipballew: they will make you a huge roast beef sandwich with Au Jus
[20:04] <philipballew> BigWhale, where you coming from?
[20:04] <bkerensa> BigWhale: Go to China Town for some stuff...  Depends on which part of Bosnia you want to see
[20:07] <pleia2> BigWhale: I met you at UDS in Budapest, right? (I am now getting them all mixed up :))
[20:08] <BigWhale> pleia2, I think so yes. I was the one with pink netbook. ;>
[20:08] <pleia2> yep, me too
[20:08] <bkerensa> :D
[20:08] <BigWhale> pink netbooks are awesome!
[20:08] <philipballew> twins!
[20:08] <pleia2> +1
[20:10] <BigWhale> Budapest was quite nice. I had a nice little roadtrip
[20:10] <pleia2> it was, did you make it to the hotel pool?
[20:10] <pleia2> stunning
[20:10] <BigWhale> and I stayed at the BigFish hostel ... :>
[20:11] <pleia2> ah :)
[20:11] <BigWhale> pleia2, nah, that hotel was way too pricey for me. :)) and I had to leave early because of work
[20:11]  * pleia2 nods
[20:13] <DonkeyHotei> wait, you're having a bonfire at ocean beach?
[20:14] <pleia2> not really
[20:14] <DonkeyHotei> because that would be AWESOME
[20:14] <BigWhale> Anyway thanks for all the info so far. I'll drop by a few more times. I'll probably want a phone number or two from local people. I tend to get lost. Like, really lost. :>
[20:15] <DonkeyHotei> if you can stand the smell of the sewage that washes ashore, that is
[20:16] <BigWhale> DonkeyHotei, is that allowed?
[20:16] <DonkeyHotei> BigWhale: idk, but people do it sometimes
[20:17] <BigWhale> it is a beach then not much can really catch on fire, I guess...
[20:17] <akk> Maybe we could find some Oakland streetcorner with a trash can and have a bonfire there.
[20:17] <akk> :)
[20:17] <BigWhale> :)))
[20:20] <DonkeyHotei> yes, seawater doesn't burn
[20:20] <DonkeyHotei> unless you spill petroleum in it
[20:22] <BigWhale> you need a high temperature to ignite that.
[20:22] <BigWhale> afaik
[20:22]  * DonkeyHotei does not ignite the seawater
[20:36] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: :D
[20:36] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: You know that Burning Man originated as a Bonfire on Ocean Beach?
[20:37] <DonkeyHotei> there is no beach in nevada
[20:37] <bkerensa> akk: Our luck the Occupy movement will try to Occupy UDS
[20:37] <bkerensa> Saying that sabdfl is the 1%
[20:37] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:41] <BigWhale> They are still occupying?
[20:41] <akk> It's supposedly starting up again after a break for winter.
[20:42] <bkerensa> akk: May 1st up here is supposedly what is the start of a bigger push then last time
[20:42] <BigWhale> I just asked around and here in Slovenia they had a winter break too.
[20:43] <BigWhale> Whiners. :>
[20:43] <bkerensa> akk: They tried to re-occupy our parks up here the other night but failed but when it happened the Police issued a statement saying that come May 1st the parks will be retaken by force
[20:44] <bkerensa> It took the police like three days struggle to get them out of the parks... they were bring tables and garbage cans as shields and surrounding and overwhelming the riot police
[20:45] <bkerensa> They even climbed on top of the huge light booms and turn them off and turned off the generators
[20:48] <DonkeyHotei> just as long as they don't occupy the toilet.
[21:08] <dragon> No events in Cali? :O http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2012#Events
[21:09] <dax> they announced it a couple of days ago, which doesn't give a lot of time to organize an event, and it's targetted at college-age folks but takes place right before finals weeks
[21:09] <dax> (at least, the announcement I saw was, that page isn't)
[21:16] <akk> What's the current recommended java JRE package? I just discovered that the sun-java6-jre is left over from natty and isn't in oneiric.
[21:17] <philipballew> akk, I think opendjk works the best for most thongs, but you can install sun yourself from the sun site I think
[21:17] <dax> openjdk-6-jre
[21:17] <dax> default-jre always points to the recommended JRE, btw
[21:18] <akk> Ah, thanks. I wasn't seeing those -- they don't show up in aptitude search java.
[21:19] <akk> Even though they have Java in their descriptions. Some day I'll find a decent apt searching tool, or write one.
[21:19] <dax> aptitude search ~djava
[21:19] <dax> or maybe Java, dunno if it's case-sensitive
[21:20] <akk> Nope, neither of those finds it. What does ^d do?
[21:21] <dax> ~d searches description, theoretically
[21:22] <dax> works for me :|
[21:22] <dax> (though I'm on Debian)
[21:22] <akk> On oneiric, aptitude search ^djava | grep jre gives nothing at all.
[21:22] <philipballew> usually the same
[21:23] <dax> akk: ~, not ^
[21:23] <philipballew> i can try 12.04
[21:23] <akk> Ah! Yes, that finds it, though I have to quote it so it doesn't interpret ~ as a homedir.
[21:24] <akk> Thanks.
[21:24] <DonkeyHotei> the reason i don't like/use aptitude is that it doesn't share databases with other apt tools, like apt-get or synaptic
[21:25] <akk> Unfortunately apt-cache search is even worse than aptitude search (they're both bad).
[21:25] <akk> apt-cache search java gives 2057 lines, many of which don't have "java" in the name OR description.
[21:26] <DonkeyHotei> i filter apt-cache search through less, usually
[21:26] <akk> I don't want to page through 2057 lines any more than I want to use page up/down to read through them. :)
[21:26] <DonkeyHotei> less has a search key
[21:27] <akk> If I knew what to search for I'd be using | grep
[21:28] <DonkeyHotei> i use the search key in less instead because i see context at a glance and can change search terms over and over
[21:35] <zeidoz> grep would be the easier approach for me.
[21:40] <zeidoz> *tinker* *tinker* *sew* *sew* *shoot* *shoot* *spy* *spy* okay, less is more elegant with -p, especially since you can use "n" to cycle through keywords
[21:41] <DonkeyHotei> yep
[22:55] <MarkDude> pleia2, can you email the UDS list and ask about the baseball game? I have a coupon for Thurs the 10th- for tickets for 4$
[22:57] <bkerensa> MarkDude: there is a UDS mailing list? :s
[22:57] <bkerensa> must be secret
[22:58]  * MarkDude clicked- dont want updates on it
[23:38] <pleia2> MarkDude: I'll include it in the email I send out this weekend
[23:38] <pleia2> MarkDude: want people to email you, or email me and have me pass along?
[23:41] <MarkDude> They can email me
[23:41] <MarkDude><EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[23:42] <MarkDude> Gates open 1.5 hours before actual game starts
[23:42] <MarkDude> Also Veggie hotdogs are available
[23:42] <pleia2> ok :)
[23:42]  * MarkDude is stoked about going - this should be fun - and a great learning opportunity
[23:45] <pleia2> MarkDude: when do they need to contact you by?
[23:46] <pleia2> and will you escort people from the hotel, or should they take BART themselves?
[23:50] <bkerensa> pleia2: also Cloudflare's CEO said they can host some Ubuntu folk if anyone wants to see their offices and chat about nginx, cloud and Ubuntu :)
[23:54] <MarkDude> The monday of UDS
[23:54] <MarkDude> I can get them up until Tuesday I think
[23:55] <MarkDude> or Wed
[23:55] <MarkDude> So we can get up to 16 people
[23:55] <MarkDude> 25 is group discount
[23:55] <MarkDude> I plan on getting 8 of them for sure- beforehand
[23:56] <MarkDude> and can get 8 more if needed
[23:56] <MarkDude> I plan on being at UDS that day
[23:56] <MarkDude> So I can escort
[23:56] <MarkDude> :)
[23:56] <pleia2> ok cool
[23:56] <pleia2> sessions wrap up at 6PM, should I tell them to meet you in the lobby at 6:15 and "get there yourself" otherwise?


[07:14] <PJ__> Hello
[07:14] <PJ__> anyone home?
[07:15] <jea> yep
[07:17] <PJ__> dose ABC iview work for you?
[07:17] <PJ__> http://www.abc.net.au/iview/
[07:18] <jea> um, i will start up my vm and check
[07:19] <jea> it might need flash, which is only available in chrome
[07:19] <PJ__> I can't seem to stream anything in firefox on my ubuntu
[07:20] <PJ__> it works on my windows pc
[07:20] <PJ__> I'll get chrome while I'm here
[07:20] <jea> I suspect flash will be the issue
[07:20] <jea> but i will check
[07:21] <PJ__> must be a new update I got lastnight
[07:27] <jea> Yep, Flash is required
[07:27] <jea> so I think your only option will be to use Chrome, as it is now the only browser with Flash support
[07:27] <jea> Adobe discontinued linux flash last year
[07:27] <jea> apart from Chrome, where Google is packaging it
[07:27] <PJ__> really?
[07:28] <PJ__> I did not know what
[07:28] <PJ__> *that
[07:28] <jea> yeah
[07:28] <PJ__> thank you very much
[07:28] <jea> no worries


[08:34] <techbreak_> hi everybody :)
[08:36] <techbreak_> can anybody help me with the lernid ? whats the diff between chatroom and classroom ?
[08:46] <jmarsden> techbreak_: This is a "chat room" (really an IRC channel) where classes are held.  But there is no class right now.  For support on Ubuntu, /join #ubuntu or /join #ubuntu-beginners
[08:47] <techbreak_> jmarsden, :) thanks
[08:47] <jmarsden> techbreak_: You're welcome.
[11:56] <sumit> hi friends
[16:09] <Abhishek_Singh> where can I find logs of this channel?
[16:12] <Abhishek_Singh> from tomorrow the ubuntu developer week is going to start
[16:12] <Abhishek_Singh>  so all ubuntu users will really be benefited if they scroll through some of the logs
[16:13] <Abhishek_Singh> personally I feel that most of the attendees won't be able to attend each and every session
[16:16] <Abhishek_Singh> so please can someone ask the administrators to maintain a log of the main chat on this channel
[16:18] <serfus> Abhishek_Singh, there will be logs
[16:18] <serfus> don't worry
[16:18] <Abhishek_Singh> can you please give their links?
[16:18] <serfus> for some reason the wiki page doesn't says so but i'm sure there will be
[16:18] <serfus> let me check
[16:20] <serfus> BTW, this channel is always logged in irclogs.ubuntu.com
[16:20] <Abhishek_Singh> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/27/%23ubuntu-classroom.txt
[16:22] <Pendulum> Abhishek_Singh: there will be logs linked on the wiki page specifically for each session after it happens as well (at least that's what we usually do, although I think it might take a little longer than normal this week, they will go up so that you can look at logs just for a specific class)
[16:22] <Abhishek_Singh> Pendulum: thanks for your information :)
[16:23] <serfus> like i thought. tough it should be mentioned on the wiki page
[22:11] <breakneck21_ulti> date -u


[18:38] <smoser> hey
[18:38] <smoser> so i'm moving cloud-init to git
[18:39] <smoser> i've got repos set up.
[18:39] <smoser> what should i do with the old bzr ?
[18:40] <smoser> i think i'd like to make it a bzr pull of lp:cloud-init
[18:40] <smoser> is that possible with launchpad automation ?
[18:41] <smoser> any thoughts on how advisable that is ?
[18:46] <dobey> i suppose you could set up a branch import for it, but you'll have to deal with the fallout of people proposing changes against bzr instead of git
[18:47] <dobey> might be better off just renaming it, and setting the status to "Abandoned" or whatever
[18:48] <dobey> if anyone has recipes set up to build the bzr, probably a good idea to notify them of the switch to git, too
[20:35] <cjwatson> It's also not totally uncommon to make a final commit that replaces the whole tree with a "moved to <wherever>" README file, though consider whether that's going to make anything automatically explode


[00:00] <em> Im experiencing the most bizzare behaviour on a fresh install of Kubuntu 15.10: When the laptop suspends while the lid is down... when I open the lid and restart the computer I discover that (many) *rando* widgets have been added to the desktop and panel. What widgets were there are also often shuffled around. Many random windows of random apps are opened up. Here is a screenshot of what I see (and this is not the worst I have seen it by far) http://i.imgur.com/
[00:01] <em> see on the pannel how 3 copies of a dolphin widget were added to the left hand side. I didn't put those there. Those were just added seemingly randomly by the computer itself while the lid was down.
[00:03] <em> This is the most bizare thing and I am not even sure how to google for this strange problem to look for answers. Why is it happening, what can be done? No one has any answers. It is a total mystery.
[00:06] <genii> em: BTW that imgur URL is incomplete
[00:06] <em> http://i.imgur.com/RCHxldP.jpg
[00:07] <em> that works right? ^
[00:07] <valorie> em: I'm seeing three instances of kate and three of zanshin upon restart
[00:08] <valorie> I'm going to assume that we have something in common
[00:08] <valorie> however, em: check to see that your desktop widgets are locked
[00:08] <valorie> that should prevent any movement
[00:09] <valorie> from the "hamburger" menu
[00:09] <valorie> there is one on the panel, and one on your desktop
[00:09] <valorie> I don't suspend, so I don't think it has anything to do with that
[00:10] <solvarr> Hey all
[00:10] <solvarr> I can't start a new session without logging out of the current session
[00:11] <solvarr> Is there a way to find out where the problem lies?
[00:17] <valorie> em: asking in #plasma right now
[00:18] <kotogo> anybody know how to install bluedevil KDE
[00:21] <valorie> !info bluedevil
[00:21] <valorie> woah, wait one minute!
[00:21] <valorie> literally
[00:23] <valorie> em: looks like it is fixed in future versions
[00:23] <valorie> for now, turn off "restore session" option
[00:28] <em> valorie: oh good, thanks for this insight. You're great. So you have seen this problem also?
[00:29] <em> valorie: yeah i don't know if suspending has anything to do with it. I don't actually *want* to suspend and I *thought* had disabled that. But sometimes the laptop seems to go to sleep despite my intentions.
[00:30] <em> anyhow im not sure that suspending has anything to do with it only that ive only come back to see random widgets randomly moved around and random windows opened after I resume usin the computer after ive had the lid down and i come back to it
[00:30] <valorie> as I said, do you have your widgets locked?
[00:30] <valorie> I never see that
[00:31] <valorie> otoh, I have no widgets on my desktop
[00:31] <valorie> only on the panel, which I keep locked
[00:31] <em> im not too sure about widgets or how they work. I'll check.
[00:31] <valorie> it is a session-management problem which can be fixed by unchecking the "restore session" option
[00:32] <valorie> workaround, but there ya go
[00:32] <em> okay thanks
[00:54] <valorie> em: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358344
[00:54] <valorie> comment if you like
[00:56] <em> when kubuntu is working it is really the best distro for all but the most novice user I think.
[01:47] <rats> TEST
[02:18] <solvarr> Dolphin crashes everytime I click on configure Dolphin
[02:18] <solvarr> Should I report this bug?
[02:45] <anabain> I've just plugged two hdds on my box to be mounted at /media dir; /etc/fstab for them is  ext4  defaults   0 2 . The /media subdirs for the hdds show 755 permissions. The problem: I cannot write to them as user. What's going on?
[04:37] <valorie> anabain: probably better asked in #ubuntu where there are more people
[04:39] <ceibal> Hola
[05:30] <cosec_> hellp
[05:31] <cosec_> my opengl version is 2.1
[05:31] <cosec_> i need it to be 3.1 atleast
[05:31] <cosec_> to play dota 2
[05:31] <cosec_> anyone know the solution ?
[07:34] <uberdub> can some one tell me why in the world kwallet has decided to set a password for itself, and not tell me?
[07:37] <uberdub> a kwallet password was never set up
[07:38] <uberdub> I just removed kwallet crap
[07:38] <uberdub> thanks for the help.....
[09:58] <Dworf> why kubuntu loads so much slower than ubuntu?
[09:59] <Dworf> ubuntu starts like 10sec, kubuntu like 30sec
[09:59] <Dworf> same ssd
[10:00] <lordievader> Dworf: 15.10? Ifso, is there  a difference in the output of 'sudo systemd-analyze blame'?
[10:02] <Dworf> yup 15.10, need to check when i get home. Just wondered is that supposed to be so slow or is it some bug
[10:02] <Dworf> going to reinstall ubuntu if kubuntu wont get faster..
[10:03] <mparillo> When 15.10 first came out there was a bug in bluetooth (IIRC), that slowed booting, but that was fixed within days.
[10:04] <Dworf> okay, well i installed those 2 weeks ago so.. should be fixed.
[10:18] <lordievader> systemd-analyze shows you what service is taking long to start.
[10:18] <Dworf> okay thanks
[10:21] <jsk> i have problem with muon , it give error if i try to install anything
[10:23] <jsk> can anyone help me out
[10:24] <Smurphy> You have to provide more details.
[10:24] <Smurphy> What error does it give you ?
[10:25] <jsk> it autmatically close the moun program
[10:25] <Smurphy> Is there an error message at all ?
[10:25] <Smurphy> If not, check the file: .xsession-errors
[10:26] <jsk> and the program is crashed a small icon appear in right bottom cornor
[10:26] <hateball> jsk: Is the system otherwise fully updated? If not you might want to run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal
[10:26] <hateball> Reboot if needed, try Muon again
[10:27] <jsk> i try it but could not resolve it
[10:27] <hateball> jsk: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[10:27] <General_Martok> hi guys, can you tell me a good alternative for the editor in windows for Kubuntu?
[10:27] <Smurphy> then check out the .xsession-errors file... open konsole, and type: less .xsession-errors
[10:27] <jsk> 15.10
[10:28] <jsk> i am using it first time
[10:28] <hateball> General_Martok: The editor for what?
[10:28] <Smurphy> General_Martok: in windows ?
[10:28] <General_Martok> nope for Kubuntu. I use it for text to delete textstyle and easy editing
[10:29] <Smurphy> kate
[10:29] <General_Martok> thx!
[10:30] <jsk> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave
[10:30] <jsk> less .xsession-errors
[10:30] <Smurphy> jsk: Go to the end: <Shift>-g
[10:31] <Smurphy> Look for entries that are in relation with muon somehow
[10:37] <jsk> kdeinit5: preparing to launch '/usr/bin/muon-discover' QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow), sequence: 47783, resource id: 23068673, major code: 18 (ChangeProperty), minor code: 0
[10:38] <jsk> smurphy i find this line relating to moun
[10:52] <Maxiride> guys it's normal that the konversation settings window is higher that my screen and I can't resize it?
[10:53] <Maxiride> I literally can't click the apply button xD
[10:53] <Maxiride> *than my screen
[10:56] <soee> maybe its a sign to buy bigger screen :D
[10:56] <soee> Maxiride: never had such issue tbh.
[11:00] <Maxiride> soee: lol, I think it's quite a challange change only the screen on a laptop ahah
[11:01] <soee> :D
[11:01] <Maxiride> anyway I'll try to report it, should it go to kde bugs or directly to the konversation support?
[11:03] <Maxiride> already reported i see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350608
[11:03] <OerHeks> in gnome i can hold ALT and drag with  left-mouse ..
[11:04] <Maxiride> OerHeks:  yeah me too, but the top border of the window won't go "outside" of the visible area, solo I still can't reach the bottom buttons.
[11:05] <OerHeks> resize the window then?
[11:05] <Maxiride> can't.. I can resize it to increase it's width\height, but I can reduce the height till a certain limit which is however more than my screen height
[11:19] <vylu> Maxiride: It should be possible to move windows with Alt + Left mouse button. What do you mean "it won't go outside of the visible area"?
[11:23] <Maxiride> vylu: uh damn, I was moving it by clicking an empty area in the window. If done this way the settings window just stop moving upside when the top margin of the window reach the top margin of the screen.
[11:23] <Maxiride> Doing alt + click instead let me move it freely and I can move it "outside" of the screen
[11:24] <Maxiride> by visibile area I was referring to the actual physical margins of the screen btw
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:05] <mparillo> When I opened this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347476
[12:06] <mparillo> It was marked as a duplicate of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192514
[12:06] <mparillo> Reported in 2009
[12:23] <vylu> Good is that in next 5 years we will probably have bigger resolutions even on netbooks. :)
[13:32] <tdkhoa> hi
[13:33] <soee> hiho tdkhoa
[13:33] <tdkhoa> i just install kubuntu 15.10
[13:33] <tdkhoa> my display is 1680x1050 15.4 inches
[13:34] <tdkhoa> how i scale display to 1.3
[13:38] <tdkhoa> \join
[13:53] <soee> tdkhoa: 1.3 ?
[14:41] <oquidave> Hi, just installed pidgin as a client to ejabberd IM server. The chats are working fine. but when I try to send a file to a buddy on my list, I never works. It says  "waiting for transfter to begin"
[14:42] <sithlord48> i have not used pigin in a long time but i don't seam to ever remember file transfer working
[14:49] <oquidave> sithlord48: when was the last time you used it? If it's a client problme, does that mean I could be lucky with another IM client
[14:49] <oquidave> sithlord48: the IM client that comes with Kubuntu simply crashes when I try to add an account. It never works
[14:55] <sithlord48> oquidave:  not sure i just upload shit to my server and give links if i need to send a file
[14:56] <sithlord48> telepathy might have had a fix for that .. im on trusty its working fine here
[15:52] <Maxiride> I'm not very familiar with the KSystemLog app. I've just had a crash on the whole machine, CPU went 100% (as I saw from the system tray widget), and the HDD I/O led on the laptop started blinking no stop, almost always on. Mouse didn't respond, pressing BLOCK NUM key also won't change the physical led on\off. I waited a minute and then forced a shutdown by holding down the power button on the laptop.
[15:53] <Maxiride> As said I just wrote down the time it occured, but KSystemLog doesn't have any red line..
[15:54] <Maxiride> also I just noticed that the timestamps in syslog are 1h+ than my real time.. :\
[15:57] <Maxiride> even more weird is that one of the latest entries is marked at 17:18 when it's 16:57 for me.
[15:58] <Smurphy> UTC ?
[15:58] <Maxiride> should be -1 than me then. I'm in a UTC +1 timezone
[16:06] <Smurphy> Timezone configuration correctr ?
[16:47] <lotek0816>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER lotek0816 uusvykasjjdf
[16:47] <genii> lotek0816: You might want to change your password now
[17:29] <sharanag> i've recently installed kubuntu 15.10
[17:29] <sharanag> but can't play any song in amarok
[17:29] <sharanag> vlc otoh is working fine
[17:29] <sharanag> do i need gstreamer plugins first?
[17:48] <cosec_> guys
[17:48] <cosec_> how do i install wine
[17:48] <cosec_> in kubuntu
[17:48] <cosec_> ?
[17:49] <cosec_> found this https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[17:49] <cosec_> any insights ?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> !wine
[17:50] <BluesKaj> cosec_, it's in your package manager
[17:51] <cosec_> BluesKaj: i can;t find wine in software manager
[17:52] <BluesKaj> cosec_, open a terminal sudo apt-ger install wine
[17:52] <cosec_> okies
[17:52] <cosec_> that was too simple
[17:52] <cosec_> :/
[17:53] <sharanag> BluesKaj: any help for my problem?
[17:53] <cosec_> ty ty
[17:53] <cosec_> working its magic now
[17:53] <sharanag> amarok doesn't play anything!
[17:53] <cosec_> waahaha
[17:53] <cosec_> )
[17:53] <BluesKaj> see you even corrected my typo :-)
[17:53] <BluesKaj> cosec_,^
[17:53] <cosec_> BluesKaj: ty mate
[17:54] <BluesKaj> np enjoy
[18:30] <cosec_> wine working fine
[18:31] <cosec_> now how to do i create a launcher
[18:31] <cosec_> i seem to get no option for creating  a launcher when i right click on desktop
[18:31] <cosec_> :(
[18:36] <BluesKaj> cosec_, click the 3 line stack on the far right of the panel , type launcher in the search
[18:38] <BluesKaj> click add widgets after the 3 dash stack
[18:38] <cosec_> now
[18:38] <cosec_> ?
[18:38] <cosec_> i don't see "Launcher
[18:38] <cosec_> "
[18:40] <BluesKaj> type launcher in the search
[18:40] <cosec_> done
[18:40] <cosec_> w8 w8
[18:40] <cosec_> looking at this part
[18:40] <cosec_> To start/run Windows programs using Wine
[18:40] <cosec_> !wine
[18:42] <BluesKaj> look for wine in the Kmenu , probly applicqations>system
[18:46] <cosec_> BluesKaj: ty m8
[18:46] <cosec_> another easy solution
[18:46] <cosec_> need to sleep
[18:46] <cosec_> its 12:16 am here
[19:41] <goddard> the camera application isn't working properly
[19:43] <goddard> it works fine with luvcview
[19:54] <ejay> Did anyone managed to run in wayland on kubuntu 15.10?
[19:55] <soee> didn't tried
[19:57] <ejay> You can try via sddm (you can choose palsma wayland from startup options). In my case this do nothing. When trying to run plasma wayland via console it ends up with an dbus error.
[19:57] <ejay> After googling it looks like it's something with Qt.
[20:03] <goddard> anyone know if a ppa exists for newest versions of Qt?
[20:03] <goddard> im on 14.04
[20:13] <Maxiride> is there a way to disable compiz in kubuntu whitout disabling each feature one by one in the system settings?
[20:40] <welovfree> hello
[20:41] <welovfree> the screen is frozen at the background image, I'm running Kubuntu for the 1st time in vmware trying to install it, what's the problem?
[20:44] <soee> welovfree: might be some problem in virt machine configuration
[20:45] <soee> liek enabled unsupported option
[20:45] <welovfree> how?
[20:47] <welovfree> soee,
[20:47] <soee> what virtul machine are you using ?
[20:56] <welovfree> soee, I'm using vmware
[20:57] <acher88> just tried wily in vmware 12 and does indeed seem to get to the stage where ubiquity should appear
[20:57] <acher88> instead there is just the plasma default wallpaper and nothing else
[20:58] <welovfree> acher88, I'm trying to install Kubuntu 15.04 using vmware but when starting the vm to install Kubuntu the screen stuck on the background is image.
[20:59] <acher88> 2 secs
[21:00] <welovfree> I'm now downloading virtualBox to test it
[21:01] <acher88> I know it works in virtualbox
[21:01] <acher88> may have to make sure 3D acceleration is not enabled though
[21:01] <welovfree> in vmware?
[21:01] <welovfree> I'm using vmware 12
[21:04] <acher88> no. in virtualbox
[21:06] <welovfree_> how?
[21:12] <acher88> In the display setting for the VM, make sure that 'enable 3D acceleration" is not ticked
[21:12] <acher88> like here http://i.imgur.com/ec8GEH4.png
[21:25] <welovfree_> acher88, thank you it's now working on virtualbox :) I'm installing it right now
[21:30] <acher88> If you want full screen and/or things like shared clipboard and mouse integration to work, you will need to install the 'guest additions'
[21:30] <acher88> https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#idp46730490379936
[21:36] <switch_> hey
[21:36] <welovfree_> acher88, ok
[21:46] <goddard> anyone know if a ppa exists for newest versions of Qt?
[21:46] <goddard> im on 14.04
[21:47] <smart> Hi there
[21:48] <smart> does anyone know how to add Trash icon to the desktop? I added one but it's not changing the icon if full or empty
[21:48] <acher88> welovfree: tried it on vmware 12 and got to the installer if I went the 'custom' option rather than 'typical'
[21:49] <acher88> goddard: to do what with exactly?
[21:50] <goddard> acher88: to use the new version of qt libraries
[21:51] <acher88> yes, but for what? you can get qt latest from it's own website if you want to compile/develop against it
[21:52] <smart> does anyone know how to add Trash icon to the desktop? I added one but it's not changing the icon if full or empty
[21:52] <acher88> installing native systems packages from ppa etc on 14.04 may break things the need the older versions
[21:55] <acher88> smart: right click desktop > add widgets > wastebin
[21:56] <acher88> just tried that in wily with plasma 5.5 backports ppa, and wastebin tells me when it has items in it.
[21:57] <smart> acher88: thanks a bunch
[21:57] <smart> I'll change my nick to stupid :)
[22:58] <goddard> acher88: yeah i need the newer features
[23:01] <Finetundra> Can anyone here help me with ndiswrapper
[23:01] <Finetundra> ?
[23:05] <genii> Finetundra: Why do you believe you require ndiswrapper?
[23:07] <Finetundra> genii: because I haven't found a linux driver for my wireless card and any ways that have a chance of working require internet which I have no way of getting currently
[23:07] <Finetundra> well internet for the machine I need the driver on
[23:07] <acher88> goddard: if you need a version newer than the qt4/qt5 available in 14.04 then either upgrade to a newer k/ubuntu version that has it
[23:08] <acher88> or if just needed to develop/comila against it can be got standalone from http://www.qt.io/download/
[23:08] <acher88> *compile against
[23:10] <genii> Finetundra: to set up ndiswrapper would also require internet access on that machine, so this makes little sense
[23:10] <genii> Finetundra: What card is it, and what does lspci or lsusb say about it?
[23:10] <acher88> been a long long while since I've needed ndiswrapper for wireless on any machine
[23:11] <genii> acher88: Yes, exactly. Either it actually does work or there's probably somne other issue
[23:11] <Finetundra> genii: I planned to use the tarball. the card is a netgear Wnda3100v2
[23:12] <genii> Don't start messing around with tarballs
[23:13] <acher88> so somewhat similar to - http://askubuntu.com/questions/568056/usb-wireless-netgear-adapter
[23:13] <Finetundra> genii: I don't have much of a choice
[23:14] <Finetundra> acher88: won't help as there is no way to connect this machine to internet
[23:15] <acher88> fine. I don't see any problem with getting the packages/driver onto your machine in other ways, as long as it works for you
[23:15] <genii> !offline
[23:16] <acher88> cab't download on another machine and put on usb?
[23:16] <acher88> using such as script ^^
[23:18] <Finetundra> I'm not sure what you mean acher88
[23:18] <genii> Finetundra: What operating system is the machine you accessing the internet with right now using?
[23:18] <Finetundra> ubuntu
[23:19] <genii> Then use the way ubottu describes
[23:20] <Finetundra> genii: which machine should I be using synaptic on?
[23:20] <josef_> hello can someone see my text?
[23:21] <Finetundra> josef_: yes
[23:23] <genii> Finetundra: Since the one which is not connected to the internet cannot obviously get a package list from which to make an install script, the one which is connected. Hopefully they both use same version of *buntu
[23:26] <Finetundra> genii: so now that I have that script, what do I do with it?
[23:27] <genii> Finetundra: You run the script, which dowloads the files on the computer you are using. Then put them from that computer on something like a USB stick. Plug it into the other machine. Access the files it downloaded on that machine and install them.
[23:30] <valorie> wow, that script would have been useful to me a couple of times
[23:31] <genii> Heh :)
[23:31] <valorie> like the time I removed network manager before downloading and installing an alternative
[23:31] <valorie> pebkac
[23:32] <genii> You can also use --print-uris feature of apt to a file, but then you have to parse it a bit to get straight urls
[23:44] <Finetundra> And as a second issue, can someone help me with installing the drivers for a asus PCE-N53 wireless card?
[23:49] <valorie> Finetundra: is driver-manager not working for you?
[23:50] <Finetundra> huh?
[23:51] <valorie> just type driver-manager into krunner (alt+space or alt+f2)
[23:51] <Finetundra> How would that help though?
[23:52] <valorie> it will download and install the best choices of drivers
[23:52] <valorie> if you have the card installed already
[23:52] <Finetundra> valorie: the system has no internet connection
[23:53] <Finetundra> this is a major part of the issue
[23:53] <valorie> ah, got it
[23:54] <genii> So this machine with the netgear not working, if it has a connector to plug a network cable, I would recommend using it to temporarily get it online by hooking it directly to your router


[00:44] <jyo> yay, afraid.org supports AAAA but apparently nameservers don't have IPv6 connectivity. :/
[00:49] <DonkeyHotei> he.net rules
[00:55] <philipballew> bkerensa, I see you have conned your way into a new house yet again...
[00:55] <bkerensa> ?
[00:56] <bkerensa> philipballew: what new house?
[00:56] <philipballew> the one in the picture bkerensa
[00:57] <philipballew> I now know where to crash in Portland
[00:57] <bkerensa> philipballew: thats Linus Torvalds house
[00:57] <bkerensa> and Im pretty sure he would not let you within a hundred yards
[00:57] <bkerensa> ;)
[00:57] <bkerensa> that or the Lake Corporation's Patrols would get you ;p
[00:57] <DonkeyHotei> whither battery?
[00:58] <philipballew> he lives in a gated community?
[00:58] <bkerensa> philipballew: no he lives in Lake Oswego which is managed by the Lake Corporation
[00:58] <bkerensa> you have to pay an extra $2500 to $3500 to be a member each year
[00:58] <bkerensa> which covers things like security and lobbying
[00:59] <bkerensa> :P
[00:59] <philipballew> I live near an irrigation canal
[00:59] <bkerensa> http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-28689-oswego_lake_access_issue_heads_to_federal_court.html
[00:59] <philipballew> Lakes are nice
[00:59] <bkerensa> Well in Oregon all bodies of water are public land
[00:59] <bkerensa> however Lake Oswego (The City of) has given a monopoly to the Lake Corporation
[00:59] <bkerensa> which is funded by the ultra wealthy
[00:59] <philipballew> My family has a free cabin in Lake Tahoe. Thats about it
[01:00] <DonkeyHotei> water is land? what a weird state
[01:00] <bkerensa> the houses cost more then tahoe
[01:00] <bkerensa> a cheap one runs for $2 million easy
[01:00] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: yep and in fact Oregonians own the ocean in front of their property
[01:00] <bkerensa> :)
[01:00] <philipballew> hum, shoot. Where does everyone get the money
[01:01] <bkerensa> I cant remember how far out but the beach and ocean in front of your land in Oregon is your private land
[01:01] <philipballew> ca is a weird state DonkeyHotei
[01:01] <DonkeyHotei> three miles?
[01:01] <bkerensa> philipballew: idk... Nike? Adiddas? Intel? Yahoo? Google? Facebook? :P they are all here
[01:01] <bkerensa> Xerox?
[01:01] <bkerensa> :P
[01:01] <DonkeyHotei> CA is an altered state
[01:01] <philipballew> Navada is where its at for business.
[01:02] <philipballew> They have the whole tax thing down
[01:02] <DonkeyHotei> nevada is dirt-poor
[01:03] <bkerensa> philipballew: what do they have down?
[01:03] <philipballew> low taxes
[01:03] <philipballew> they have taxes down
[01:03] <DonkeyHotei> they have a sales tax, and oregon doesn't
[01:03] <bkerensa> Oregon is the place for business because we create economic zones for any company who moves in which is why every tech company is trying to build datacenters here and pay zero taxes
[01:03] <philipballew> down as in nothing for the buissnes
[01:04] <philipballew> no sales tax there DonkeyHotei
[01:04] <bkerensa> ?
[01:04] <bkerensa> and?
[01:04] <bkerensa> Most big business in this state doesnt have to pay property taxes
[01:04] <DonkeyHotei> oregon also has no income tax AFAIK
[01:04] <bkerensa> Google and Facebook dont
[01:04] <philipballew> CA is the 49th most unfriendly state for companies iirc
[01:04] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: what?
[01:04] <bkerensa> We have income tax
[01:04] <DonkeyHotei> what's 50th?
[01:05] <bkerensa> we have one of the highest income taxes in the country
[01:05] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: state income tax? really?
[01:05] <philipballew> Apple funnels all their revenue through reno iirc
[01:05] <philipballew> ny DonkeyHotei
[01:05] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: yeah... Our income tax offsets the lack of sales tax
[01:05] <bkerensa> thats how our state gets revenue
[01:05] <DonkeyHotei> it's higher than CA?
[01:05] <bkerensa> heh
[01:07] <bkerensa> http://www.myoregon.org/oregon-taxes/
[01:09] <bkerensa> http://www.oregon.gov/DOR/BUS/docs/206-430.pdf?ga=t