[01:26] <callmepk> Good morning
[01:28] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[01:29] <callmepk> Morning duflu
[01:29] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: please remember to help with the snap-store-3-36 branch
[01:29] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, ack
[01:29] <kenvandine> https://trello.com/c/SPoFPnVb/788-fix-components-cache-in-snap-store-3-36-branch
[01:30] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: btw... good morning :)
[01:54] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, that last commit you made should be merged into a620371741f0eb85c837c7ae034b042aea3e609c - do you have everything checked in so I can rebase?
[01:56] <kenvandine> I do
[05:47] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:56] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[05:56] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:06] <oSoMoN> duflu, thanks for triaging my bug report, and for marking the second one a duplicate of the first one, I have no idea how I managed to file the same bug twice, concurrently
[06:06] <duflu> oSoMoN, no problem.  I'm well other than a headache. You?
[07:04] <seb128> duflu, a bit tired but good otherwise!
[07:37] <duflu> seb128, about that missing spinner... it's still missing but I suspect that's some combination of the machine being so fast that it's never needed for long enough to fade in at all
[07:37] <duflu> I will confirm when I update my laptop
[07:38] <duflu> Oh, no I won't. That laptop can't start the spinner theme for other reasons
[07:38] <duflu> That might be my next task
[07:40] <duflu> It's not missing if I start plymouth manually anyway
[07:50] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:50] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson, welcome back
[07:50] <marcustomlinson> thanks. how are you duflu?
[07:51] <duflu> marcustomlinson, I can't complain. How are you?
[07:51] <oSoMoN> mornin' marcustomlinson, welcome back!
[07:51] <marcustomlinson> yeah not bad, back at about 85%
[07:51] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN, how goes things?
[07:52] <oSoMoN> all good, thanks
[07:53] <didrocks> hey, welcome back marcustomlinson!  Happy to see you back :)
[07:56] <seb128> duflu, yeah, plymouth doesn't look great when it's only displayed for some seconds, sometime the spinner doesn't even get to be displayed...
[07:56] <marcustomlinson> hey pieq seb128 jamesh, thanks :) Hope all is well with you guys
[07:56] <pieq> seb128, ça va, but I can't try to reproduce https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/issues/832 cause now the Bluetooth seems broken on my laptop!
[07:56] <gitbot> PulseAudio issue 832 in pulseaudio "[Dell Inspiron 7370] External interfaces (BT, USB) show up in the sound output options but the sound keeps being emitted from the internal laptop speaker" [Opened]
[07:56] <seb128> we are doing good here yes
[07:56] <pieq> seb128, what package should I report broken bluetooth against? bluez?
[07:56] <seb128> pieq, oh? kernel?
[07:56] <duflu> seb128, if native resolution (UEFI) integration doesn't exist in grub yet then I would like to do that next cycle
[07:56] <pieq> seb128, I can see BT devices, I can pair them, but they never connect and obviously I can't output any sound to them
[07:56] <seb128> pieq, I would start with the kernel, maybe boot a previous one if you still have those installed
[07:57] <seb128> duflu, that sounds a good thing to work on
[07:57] <seb128> I've no idea what's the status of things there
[07:57] <duflu> Well, x_nox suggested it didn't exist yesterday
[07:58] <seb128> pieq, try pairing using bluetoothctl and if it's buggy there as well yes report against bluez
[07:58] <seb128> duflu, k, he probably knows better the status than me :)
[07:58] <pieq> seb128, yeah I just tried and I have a beautiful "Failed" from bluez :)
[07:58] <pieq> I'll try to boot older kernel.
[07:58] <seb128> pieq, could still be the kernel
[07:58] <seb128> thx
[07:59] <duflu> It's been a while but maybe the fact that I spent most of the 90's hacking real mode graphics might come in handy
[07:59] <pieq> seb128, how can I force display grub at boot time?
[07:59] <pieq> I tried to keep Shift pressed but it didnt' do anythign
[07:59] <duflu> Escape?
[08:00] <pieq> duflu, indeed it is! Thanks
[08:01] <pieq> duflu, when you talk about UEFI, you want to bring a better experience for people with very high resolution screen (or very small Full HD screens) when looking at the UEFI boot screen?
[08:01] <duflu> pieq, as I understand it I think grub doesn't touch the UEFI framebuffer regardless of resolution. It leaves it untouched for plymouth
[08:01] <Laney> HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY HOOOOOOOOO
[08:01] <duflu> I am guessing
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[08:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:02] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:03] <pieq> aaaaaaaan now it's the touchpad that's going crazy
[08:03] <Laney> wb marcustomlinson! hey duflu! hi seb128!
[08:03] <pieq> unbelievable
[08:04]  * Laney brings round a tray of tiny triangles of toast with a weird foam on top that has an olive stuck in it
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, fancy!
[08:05]  * seb128 wants one
[08:05] <Laney> of course sir
[08:05] <seb128> :-)
[08:06] <Laney> yeah i'm good
[08:06] <Laney> going to be a beta-y day I think
[08:06] <Laney> what about you?
[08:06] <seb128> I'm good as well, it's nice and sunny (as almost every day since we in lockdown :-/)
[08:06] <seb128> going to do bug triage and beta testing day for me
[08:08] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons/+bug/1868529 is due to changes of yours/a known issue?
[08:16] <pieq> seb128, hm... I only have 3 kernels available, and it fails miserably on all of them. I'm gonna try to boot up a 19.10 live to see
[08:26] <oSoMoN> oh, fancy toast triangles, can haz one?
[08:26] <oSoMoN> (good morning Laney)
[08:28] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:38] <pieq> seb128, ok, BT pairing/connecting works on 19.10 (5.3.0-18 + bluez 5.50).... so both kernel and bluez are different from 20.04, where should I file the bug then?
[08:42] <seb128> pieq, start with bluez I would say
[08:42] <pieq> ok thanks
[09:17] <Wimpress> Morning desktopers
[09:17] <pieq> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1869857
[09:17] <pieq> hi Wimpress !
[09:18] <seb128> hey Wimpress
[09:19] <pieq> seb128, should I upstream the issue?
[09:21] <seb128> pieq, it's always better to have more eyes on an issue :)
[09:21] <pieq> seb128, but I can't find their bugtracker
[09:22] <seb128> pieq, I think it's on the kernel bugzilla?
[09:22] <pieq> oh....
[09:22] <seb128> duflu, ^ do you know if that's right?
[09:23] <duflu> seb128, yes
[09:23] <seb128> thx
[09:23] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[09:24] <Wimpress> Hey duflu :-)
[09:24] <Wimpress> I see you made progress with Plymouth.
[09:24] <duflu> Kind of
[09:28] <duflu> Still reporting more bugs than I fix
[09:41] <xnox> seb128:  right, and after plymouth with 104.patch lands on the iso, i will still need to hunt down if anything is not shown under casper.
[09:41] <xnox> (either boot or shutdown)
[09:42] <xnox> seb128:  i did upload new casper that uses fsckd:* messages, et.al.
[09:42] <seb128> xnox, I saw, thanks
[09:51] <duflu> xnox, I also rewrote 103.patch today
[09:51] <duflu> But that's less important
[09:55] <duflu> Hmm, either bluez is rock solid or it's failing to report crashes
[09:56] <duflu> And my own machine seems to suggest the latter
[11:48] <ijohnson> Trevinho: hey so I tried using the nouveau driver instead of nvidia drivers and I was able to use fractional scaling with X11 again, I left a note in lp 1869042 about this
[13:00] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[13:00] <marcustomlinson> hi hellsworth
[13:00] <hellsworth> hi marcustomlinson !
[13:01] <hellsworth> i hope you're feeling well :)
[13:01] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: much better thanks :)
[13:01] <hellsworth> so glad to hear it :)
[13:03] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[13:03] <marcustomlinson> ricotz: hey! Thanks for all your help on libreoffice these last few days!
[13:04] <hellsworth> +1 on that
[13:05] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: welcome back!
[13:05] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: thanks ken! good to be back
[13:19] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, marcustomlinson, ricotz: this looks like a deadlock: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.4.2-0ubuntu3/+build/19088112
[13:19] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: could be, could not be
[13:19] <hellsworth> i saw that but wasn't sure what to make of it
[13:19] <oSoMoN> let's give it one more hour or so, and if it hasn't progressed let's re-start
[13:19] <marcustomlinson> I've seen that waiting for lock happen for over 20 hours before and still complete
[13:20] <oSoMoN> oh really?
[13:20] <marcustomlinson> yeah
[13:20] <oSoMoN> ok, I won't touch it then
[13:20] <hellsworth> should we not worry about the unsatisfiable depends on libreoffice-dev-common?
[13:21] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: where's that?
[13:21] <hellsworth> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:21] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: oh I think that's unsatisfiable simply because the amd64 build hasn't completed yet
[13:22] <hellsworth> ok that's what i was hoping
[13:22] <marcustomlinson> as it's that build that outputs the -common package
[13:22] <marcustomlinson> s
[13:22] <hellsworth> greyed out means don't worry *yet* :)
[13:22] <hellsworth> ah makes sense
[13:22] <popey> seb128 is this (extra i386 package suggestion for focal) something for you chaps, or does this require v orlon? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community-process-for-32-bit-compatibility/12598/61
[13:23] <seb128> popey, the later, sorry
[13:24] <Wimpress> seb128 Laney Yep, I thought this might requires Steve's attention.
[13:24] <Wimpress> That said, it there anyone else who can assist. Is this a skill we can acquire?
[13:24] <seb128> Wimpress, one more thing for us to do right? :)
[13:24] <Wimpress> I suspect most impact for missing 32-bit libs will impact desktop use cases.
[13:25] <Wimpress> seb128: Status quo ;-)
[13:25] <seb128> Wimpress, the technical side we can probably do/handle today, I'm just unsure on the policy side for deciding there
[13:25] <seb128> but yes, we should have someone in position to take those decision I think
[13:27] <Laney> I think it'd be fine for ubuntu-archive to take those decisions
[13:27] <seb128> Wimpress, maybe a topic for the foundations catchup call tomorrow (if it happens)
[13:27] <Laney> but I'm not on that team so I can't really say that :p
[13:27]  * seb128 hides
[13:27] <Laney> that's the group though imho
[13:28] <Laney> not individually initially but they could work out how they want to handle those
[13:28] <seb128> right
[13:30] <seb128> k, meanwhile meeting time
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-03-31
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 31 13:30:49 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <hellsworth> o/
[13:31] <seb128> 	Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson (out), oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> I'm actually here
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> :)
[13:31] <oSoMoN>    \o
[13:31] <seb128> Hey Heather
[13:31] <jibel> o~
[13:31] <seb128> wb Marcus glad to see you doing better
[13:32] <seb128> k, let's get started, I expected everyone is busy with beta coming and snapcraft summit
[13:32] <didrocks> hey
[13:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:32] <marcustomlinson> shouldn't callmepk be on the roll call
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <marcustomlinson> (sorry derailing. carry on)
[13:32] <seb128> no desktop item there
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> all assigned
[13:33] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> no desktop item there
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> bug #1733321
[13:33] <seb128> I will take this one
[13:34] <seb128> since I'm the by-default nm maintainer atm...
[13:34] <seb128> that's it for E
[13:34] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> bug #1866194
[13:34] <seb128> I could confirm the issue now, here
[13:35] <seb128> it's a bit weird, g-c-c/totem play through the speakers even after pairing the headset
[13:35] <seb128> but paplay / gst-launch go to the headset
[13:35] <seb128> anyway
[13:35] <seb128> I vote +1 to accept the nomination
[13:35] <Laney> yes
[13:35] <didrocks> +1
[13:35] <seb128> and I will take assignment since I've been providing info to upstream
[13:35] <seb128> and I've more testing to do
[13:36] <hellsworth> +1
[13:36] <seb128> bug #1862081
[13:37] <seb128> Trevinho, do you think that should be rls tracked?
[13:37] <seb128> it's unclear to me from the description the impact
[13:37] <seb128> it has 3 dups though
[13:38] <Laney> imo this is the kind of bug that should be fixed if the option is promoted to people
[13:39] <seb128> I tend to agree
[13:39] <seb128> let's nominate it
[13:39] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[13:39] <seb128> bug #1865838
[13:39] <seb128> untagged now so we can skip it
[13:39] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah
[13:39] <seb128> (I need to propose a patch to make the report skip milestoned/assigned which still have the tag)
[13:40] <seb128> k, next one is to target for Trevinho as well
[13:40] <seb128> bug #1867908
[13:40] <seb128> sounds like worth taking
[13:41] <seb128> it has a patch backported from upstream so easy
[13:41] <seb128> I will sponsor the upload
[13:41] <seb128> bug #1869086
[13:41] <Laney> (andrewsh recommends a sync if you didn't see that)
[13:42] <seb128> (I didn't but didn't read the details yet, will check that, thanks)
[13:42] <seb128> that gnome-software notification
[13:42] <seb128> nice to fix but not rls material
[13:42] <seb128> it's just a notification
[13:42] <seb128> and clicking on firmware update while on battery isn't a daily action
[13:42] <seb128> I vote -1
[13:42] <hellsworth> i vote not fix
[13:43] <marcustomlinson> -1
[13:43] <Trevinho> seb128: the bad of it is that it's a standing notification
[13:43] <seb128> Trevinho, report it upstream, they might fix it for us even if we don't get to it :)
[13:43] <Trevinho> not going away
[13:43] <seb128> even if you click 'not now'?
[13:43] <Trevinho> fwiw +1 on me :)
[13:43] <Laney> It makes you assume that the update succeeded
[13:43] <marcustomlinson> we're replacing gnome-software with snap-store in ff
[13:43] <Trevinho> well yep... that's the thing
[13:44] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I expect snap-store has the same problem
[13:44] <marcustomlinson> that's the question
[13:44] <seb128> Trevinho, sounds like buggy from the shell that 'not now' doesn't dismiss the notification
[13:44] <seb128> Laney, so you vote +1 to take it?
[13:44] <hellsworth> even if the same problem is in the snap store and you do an extra reboot, you'll be prompted to start the update again, won't you?
[13:44] <Trevinho> seb128: ok not-now does hide it, but it requires an action and the text says you need to do it
[13:44] <Laney> I think it's potentially quite misleading
[13:44] <Laney> so yes probably, or at least give Robert the action to look into it
[13:45] <seb128> kenvandine, opinion as the owner of snap-store? do you think you guys can take on it? should be a simple fix
[13:45] <kenvandine> i think it should be simple
[13:45] <seb128> k, let's take it
[13:45] <seb128> kenvandine, can you assign to whoever is right?
[13:45] <seb128> bug #1869635
[13:45] <kenvandine> will do
[13:45] <seb128> small thing but same category
[13:45] <seb128> (I tagged it)
[13:46] <seb128> the item leads to an error about the command not being found as well
[13:46] <seb128> Trevinho, can you take on that one, should be easy for you?
[13:46] <Trevinho> ah! merge error for sure
[13:46] <Trevinho> yeah,
[13:46] <seb128> thx
[13:46] <Laney> +1 for me
[13:46] <seb128> thx
[13:46] <Trevinho> it was better if I did leave it broken upstream xD
[13:46] <seb128> bug #1868409
[13:47] <didrocks> +1 ofc :)
[13:47] <Laney> that's already being worked
[13:47] <seb128> marcustomlinson is working on that
[13:47] <seb128> right
[13:47] <seb128> let's take it
[13:47] <seb128> bug #1869835
[13:48] <seb128> I didn't notice that problem here
[13:48] <seb128> but I've only one layout configured
[13:48] <seb128> I would vote +1 if we get more reports
[13:48] <didrocks> 2 layouts here as well, no issue
[13:48] <didrocks> (both fr)
[13:49] <seb128> k, so I vote -1 for now
[13:49] <seb128> Olivier upstreamed it
[13:49] <seb128> I would put it back on the list if we get other reports though
[13:49] <oSoMoN> yeah, fair enough if I'm the only one seeing it
[13:49] <jibel> no issue here either with 2 layouts
[13:49] <didrocks> oSoMoN: let’s discuss after the report, I have an issue with layout switching, may be related
[13:49] <oSoMoN> sure
[13:50] <seb128> bug #1868666
[13:50] <seb128> it's a champagne/incomplete from previous week that didn't get a follow up
[13:50] <seb128> let's skip, I will untag before next meeting if it's not updated
[13:51] <seb128> bug #1869747
[13:52] <hellsworth> seb128: before moving to rls-ff-tracking, could we evaluate a focal bug that i just labeled incoming?
[13:52] <seb128> the user submitted with apport now but it didn't get retraced yet/isn't accessible
[13:52] <seb128> hellsworth, yes, let me finish the list and I ping you
[13:52] <hellsworth> ofc
[13:53] <seb128> next one is assigned to marco
[13:53] <seb128> will target
[13:54] <seb128> bug #1865838
[13:54] <hellsworth> we already talked about that one, didn't we?
[13:54] <seb128> yes, it's untagged now, the tag was left by error
[13:54] <seb128> k, what's the new bug? :)
[13:55] <hellsworth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1869561
[13:55] <hellsworth> basically in 6.4.X libreoffice-help is broken
[13:55] <hellsworth> rico found this over the weekend and i did some testing
[13:55] <hellsworth> seems like we should fix it
[13:55] <seb128> sounds like an important issue yes
[13:55] <seb128> +1 from me
[13:56] <hellsworth> i agree. +1
[13:56] <seb128> k, let's take it
[13:56] <oSoMoN> +1
[13:56] <seb128> and that's it for incoming
[13:56] <Laney> sry got distracted
[13:56] <Laney> did everybody else too? :P
[13:56] <Laney> WOAH
[13:56] <Trevinho> na
[13:56] <Trevinho> you bad
[13:57] <kenvandine> :)
[13:57] <seb128> lol
[13:57] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:57] <hellsworth> seb128: so i should change the tag to tracking then?
[13:57] <seb128> hellsworth, I'm doing that
[13:57] <hellsworth> ah ok. thanks :)
[13:57] <seb128> bug #1733321 we already discussed
[13:58] <seb128> bug #1865838 also
[13:58] <seb128> bug #1869819
[13:58] <Laney> I got all of that: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8bP6wcppsZ/ in one go
[13:58] <seb128> OEM request, they submitted the patch upstream
[13:58] <seb128> I vote +1
[13:59] <seb128> I will take the task to help them landing it
[13:59] <seb128> k
[13:59] <seb128> that's it for bugs
[13:59] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:59] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:00] <marcustomlinson> looks so clean
[14:00] <seb128> indeed
[14:00] <seb128> nothing to handle there, good work team :)
[14:00] <marcustomlinson> well done
[14:00] <marcustomlinson> indeed
[14:00] <seb128> (the libreoffice one is only because it's not built on all archs yet)
[14:00] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:01] <seb128> one topic from me, beta week, please try to help with ISO testing
[14:01] <seb128> and do update to focal if you didn't do that yet!
[14:01] <marcustomlinson> callmepk should be added to the meeting roll call :)
[14:02] <seb128> oh
[14:02] <seb128> you said 'callmepk' early, I though it was a typo/weird word :p
[14:02] <marcustomlinson> haha
[14:02] <seb128> I didn't realize it was Patrick
[14:02] <callmepk> umm
[14:02] <seb128> I didn't see him active on the channel yet
[14:02] <seb128> callmepk, welcome on board!
[14:02] <Laney> baptism of 🔥 for a new team member
[14:02] <kenvandine> callmepk: welcome!
[14:03] <hellsworth> o/ callmepk !
[14:03] <callmepk> Sorry for not seeing that, still get familiar with IRC
[14:03] <Trevinho> welcome callmepk
[14:03] <marcustomlinson> ha isn't it like 10pm for you callmepk
[14:03] <marcustomlinson> welcome to the team
[14:03] <Laney> Someone should probably talk you through what on earth just happened in here before expecting participation
[14:03] <callmepk> Thanks, yep it is 10pm here
[14:03] <Trevinho> Something maybe personal, but I've applied for being a desktop team member, so if some other of desktoppers can help with that... :-) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2020-March/006289.html
[14:04] <kenvandine> Trevinho: awesome
[14:04] <Trevinho> :)
[14:04] <oSoMoN> happy to chime in, but I don't remember sponsoring any of your uploads, would my +1 count?
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks, can maybe help?
[14:05] <pieq> seb128, hey, another question popped in my mind: is it possible to see the release timeline for a given package? I'd like to know what were the latest bluez releases (in 20.04) and, if possible, an associated changelog
[14:05] <Trevinho> I guess it does, but don't worry I assume it's better if it is based on facts :)
[14:05] <kenvandine> Trevinho: i'll reply
[14:05] <seb128> pieq, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+publishinghistory
[14:05] <Laney> EOM?
[14:06] <seb128> looks like it
[14:06] <seb128> thanks team
[14:06] <hellsworth> thanks for a short meeting!
[14:06] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 31 14:06:18 2020 UTC.
[14:06] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-03-31-13.30.moin.txt
[14:06] <Laney> thanks
[14:06] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[14:06] <seb128> np!
[14:06] <Trevinho> thanks
[14:06] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:07] <seb128> ah, g-c-c and pango migrated, happy time
[14:07] <seb128> kenvandine, popey, you will be able to play minecraft again
[14:08] <Laney> best quality hints
[14:08] <seb128> Trevinho, and fractional scaling UI is in beta now :)
[14:08] <kenvandine> lol
[14:08] <seb128> Laney, thanks!
[14:08] <popey> :)
[14:08] <Trevinho> yay
[14:08] <kenvandine> thx seb128
[14:08] <popey> seb128 <3 thank you.
[14:08] <seb128> np!
[14:08] <seb128> I hope I just didn't ruin the snapcraft summit's productivity :p
[14:08] <popey> :)
[14:09] <Laney> smcv's feedback seemed fair btw
[14:09] <pieq> seb128, thanks, exactly what I was looking for. And, indeed, 5.53-0ubuntu2 was released last week... before that, I could connect BT devices, so it's very likely a regression in that package
[14:09] <pieq> but the weird thing is that it's a security update...
[14:09] <seb128> pieq, it's a security update, try downgrading to 0ubuntu1 see if that makes a diffeence?
[14:10] <pieq> seb128, how can I downgrade a package?
[14:11] <pieq> (0ubuntu1 was released... 4 minutes after 0ubuntu2 according to the link :))
[14:11] <pieq> I think I would have to roll back to 5.52 from Feb 27th
[14:12] <seb128> pieq, download the debs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/5.53-0ubuntu1/+build/18766720 and sudo dpkg -iO *.deb
[14:13] <pieq> seb128, thanks. I'll try that tomorrow. It's pretty late here now.
[14:13] <pieq> Bonne fin de journée !
[14:14] <seb128> pieq, bonne nuit
[14:14] <seb128> pieq, the UI is confusing but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/5.53-0ubuntu1/+publishinghistory
[14:14] <seb128>  Published on 2020-02-26
[14:14] <seb128> pieq, 0ubuntu1 was published for like a month
[14:15] <seb128> (need to click on the second > to have the detail)
[14:19] <didrocks> oSoMoN: so, the issue I have with layout switching is in the lock screen
[14:19] <didrocks> if you have layout2 in your session
[14:19] <didrocks> lock screen
[14:19] <didrocks> switch to layout1
[14:19] <didrocks> then, you back on your session but still with layout2
[14:19] <didrocks> you lock the screen again
[14:19] <didrocks> and layout2, as it’s the one in your session
[14:20] <didrocks> (I did spot it only once, didn’t retry if I can reproduce or not)
[14:20] <didrocks> unsure if that can help you inr your debug
[14:20] <oSoMoN> didrocks, that looks like a different issue than mine, and I think I saw an upstream bug report that would match this
[14:20] <didrocks> ack
[14:21] <oSoMoN> didrocks, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/-/issues/461 maybe?
[14:21] <didrocks> oSoMoN:looks like it, I’ll amend with the fact that the session isn’t changed either
[14:22] <didrocks> thx!
[14:22] <oSoMoN> yw
[14:32] <ricotz> libreoffice amd64 build is still kicking
[14:53] <oSoMoN> ricotz, it's actually done now, just need to wait for the launchpad builder to clean up and upload
[14:56] <oSoMoN> xnox, hey, I've prepared a merge of nodejs 10.19.0 from debian unstable, would you mind sponsoring it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1863463/comments/8
[14:57] <oSoMoN> I've successfully built it and ran autopkgtests for all architectures in a PPA
[14:59] <xnox> oSoMoN:  yes, i can review that. Did you dput the built source package somewhere? either ppa or like people.canonical.com?
[14:59] <xnox> oSoMoN:  it might be easier to review something i can download with `dget` rather that massive debdiff
[15:12] <oSoMoN> xnox, everything is there: https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/sponsoring/nodejs-10.19.0/
[15:13] <xnox> tah
[15:14] <oSoMoN> xnox, and the PPA I used for testing is https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/nodejs-10.19-focal/+packages
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, wooot, plymouth made it :)
[15:26] <xnox> seb128:  so i'm doing casper testing tomorrow?! or will we have a iso respin today too?
[15:26] <seb128> xnox, I'm also waiting to be able to test that, it looks like from #ubuntu-release we will probably get a build started soon
[15:27] <seb128> probably to test tomorrow morning at this point for me
[15:27] <seb128> unless I come back in the evening, which I might...
[15:34] <Laney> great
[16:03] <seb128> Trevinho, what icons size does appindicator needs?
[16:07] <fossfreedom> seb128: 22px is the expected size for appindicator icons
[16:30] <Trevinho> seb128: so, yeah 22px is expected... Buuuut, actually in gnome-shell the system icons are 16px, so the appindicator extension now follows that rule
[16:30] <Trevinho> so we can say that it was expected
[16:31] <Trevinho> as having 22px icons would imply no vertical padding in the panel, and that's bad, unless we don't decide patching the panel to take more vertical space (24px as was in unity)
[17:04] <seb128> fossfreedom, Trevinho, in focal update-notifier livepatch icons aren't right. update-notified does ask livepatch-ok / livepatch-warning icons but only ships a svg but the indicator side prefers to use the livepatch.png provided by yaru (so fallbacking the name and using the wrong icon), I guess we need to provide icons in addition to the svg one
[17:04] <seb128> that would be 16x16 or 22x22 ones then?
[17:18] <seb128> Trevinho, wooooot, congrats on joining the ~ubuntu-desktop on launchpad!
[17:30] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, congrats!
[17:58] <KGB-2> mutter tags 4d37d94 Simon McVittie upstream/3.36.1 * Upstream version 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/3DMXV
[17:59] <KGB-2> mutter tags 4d37d94 Simon McVittie upstream/3.36.1 * tag deleted
[18:01] <KGB-2> mutter pristine-tar 28ff4dd Simon McVittie mutter_3.36.1.orig.tar.xz.delta mutter_3.36.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for mutter_3.36.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/dObc
[18:01] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest c8ee04d Simon McVittie * pushed 94 commits * https://deb.li/31cky
[18:02] <KGB-2> mutter tags 8d0c4b4 Simon McVittie upstream/3.36.1 * Upstream version 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/3DMXV
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-shell pristine-tar 8855384 Simon McVittie gnome-shell_3.36.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell_3.36.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell_3.36.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3lcQ7
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-shell upstream/latest f4f3b81 Simon McVittie * pushed 171 commits * https://deb.li/9ZuU
[18:18] <KGB-2> gnome-shell tags 775c28c Simon McVittie upstream/3.36.1 * Upstream version 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/35VSF
[18:19] <KGB-2> gnome-shell debian/master Simon McVittie * [open] merge request !37: WIP: 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/PVai
[18:19] <KGB-2> mutter debian/master Simon McVittie * [open] merge request !58: WIP: 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/3cOHh
[18:59] <Trevinho> seb128 (and Olivier, but he's out :D) thanks!!
[19:01] <Trevinho> seb128: and also that g-s fix merged
[19:02] <Trevinho> KGB-2: HIIIIII (thanks Laney)
[19:02] <KGB-2> Trevinho: We either would better monitorize shareware services, or need to maximize GPRS applet portals for debugging the development of AI.
[19:02] <Trevinho> desktoppers: that's our new friend ^^^
[19:02] <sarnold> oh sure, the bot would like more AI funding, surprise surprise
[19:03] <Trevinho> haha
[19:25] <rikardGn> helllo
[19:26] <rikardGn> I unfortunteatly missed the meeting. I would like to adress the following to problems I have in ubntu 18.04:
[19:28] <rikardGn> When using the nvidia closed source driver I'm not able to run my integrated vega graphics in my ryzen 5 at the same time with my geforce gtx 1650 super
[19:29] <rikardGn> My ubuntu 18.04 also won't boot properly and hangs in the middle when using my geforce gtx1650 graphics card
[19:29] <seb128> rikardGn, hey, try #ubuntu for user support
[19:29] <rikardGn> aha
[19:29] <rikardGn> is that the appropriate forum?
[19:30] <seb128> yes
[19:30] <rikardGn> ok thanks
[20:32] <robert_ancell> Thanks seb128 for finishing off the g-c-c scaling patch!
[21:27] <seb128> robert_ancell, np!


[13:16] <ogra_> rtg, i rememebr we used to have a discussion about crda in the ubuntu-core snap/rootfs ... which resulted in me removing it there ... do you remember the reason ?
[13:17] <ogra_> (i'm just doing a seed cleanup and the package came back ... )
[13:17] <ogra_> apparently wlan workks without it on the pi3 and dragonboard ...
[13:18] <apw> ogra_, is that safe ?  given that gives you information about what is legal in your juristiction ?
[13:18] <rtg> ogra_, well, crda is only required if the device has non-firmware based wifi. sforshee is probably a lot fresher on the topic these days.
[13:18] <ogra_> apw, i dont know ... happy to keep it ... but irc there was a reason why we dropped it
[13:19] <ogra_> seemingly my two boards that have onboard wlan worked before it came back
[13:20] <ogra_> it doesnt seem to make a difference in functionallity
[13:20] <apw> ogra_, you are in a location with quite a wide set of frequencies ... dunno ... i don't recall the original discussion so ...
[13:21] <ogra_> if it makes sense to have it i'll happily keep it ... if it is just unused ballast it doesnt mmake sense though
[13:23] <rtg> ogra_, it is certainly in use for those wifi adapters where the protocol stack runs on the host CPU
[13:23] <rtg> wireless-regdb is still getting patches and being maintained by sforshee
[13:23] <ogra_> like intel ?
[13:23] <rtg> oglike intel
[13:23] <rtg> ogra_, ^^
[13:23] <ogra_> ok
[13:23] <ogra_> that makes snese then
[13:23] <ogra_> enough for me to keep it
[13:24] <ogra_> (i guess the NUC guys will actually like to have it available then :))
[13:37] <trippeh_> the firmware-based ones I've seen also uses crda and wireless-regdb by intersecting the OS provided tables and the firmware ones.
[13:37] <trippeh_> I guess so it is possible to introduce new restrictions without a fw update.
[13:38] <trippeh_> at least ath9k does this


[11:26] <ahoneybun> Morning all
 @ahoneybun @Valoriez Do we have some meaningful filenames for these wallpapers?
 Which ones?
 From the contest or the banner?
 Contest
 We dont, I mean we can take the name of the picture
 But I'm on the road so
 no problem
 Damn we need to replace our tires...
 @ahoneybun @Valoriez https://www.flickr.com/photos/150255654@N07/33627188623/in/pool-kubuntu-cws-1710/
 Copyright: All rights reserved
 Leave it off then
 And https://www.flickr.com/photos/150277644@N07/34320319731/in/pool-kubuntu-cws-1710/
 has anyone checked these?
 We did, for Google reverse search
 All rights reserved: https://www.flickr.com/photos/75358448@N03/34828147670/in/pool-kubuntu-cws-1710/
 This looks a mess
 I'm not packaging, assigning copyright, and uploading this if I can't be sure I'm not infringing rights
 @valorie, Its good
 Is it worth requesting a CCSA or something.
[20:19] <valorie> acheronuk: I can write to each of the submitters giving them the good news that they are winners, and asking them in return to email us allowing their use and distribution by us
[20:20] <valorie> if you have a license name to include I can ask for that
[20:20] <valorie> this was not very well thought out
[20:21] <valorie> but if we do it again we'll know what to plan for
[20:35] <acheronuk> valorie: acceptable licenses were mentioned on the initial news post: https://kubuntu.org/news/17-10-wallpaper-contest-call-for-artists/
[20:45] <valorie> thanks
[20:46] <valorie> are you saying that they were NOT properly licensed?
[20:50] <acheronuk> Doesn't seem so: https://i.imgur.com/nD7zAno.png
[20:51] <valorie> sigh
[20:59] <acheronuk> same on at least the other two I mentioned. oversight when uploading perhaps. users are probably unfamiliar with setting it for uploads there
[21:04] <valorie> ok, I guess we don't have emails for them, which is unfortunate
[21:04] <valorie> but I guess I can comment on the photo itself
[21:04] <valorie> what is our deadline for them changing the copyright notice?
[21:22] <acheronuk> Final freeze is Oct 12th. Final Beta freeze is this coming Monday (ish) with beta on Thurs
[21:23] <valorie> ok, I'll set it for .... Saturday? After that we'll ignore the ones with the wrong licensing
[21:23] <valorie> OK?
[21:25] <acheronuk> yes, we could add missing if they update it later. but adding the wallpaper package is the hurdle
[21:26] <acheronuk> release team will need to ok that new binary. should be trivial, but copyright is something they may well check closely
[21:56] <valorie> acheronuk: I commented on the two you mentioned above
[21:56] <valorie> I can't seem to find the list aaron posted of the winners
[21:58] <acheronuk> this? https://imgur.com/a/jepdM
[22:00] <acheronuk> can't find one of them. the rabbit on wood
[22:06] <acheronuk> valorie: at least 2 of the winners are also duplicated in the ubuntu community wallpaper winners
[22:06] <acheronuk> https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/all/ubuntu-wallpapers-artful/filelist
[22:06] <acheronuk> Bloom_by_Victor_Madru.jpg
[22:07] <acheronuk> Lily_of_the_Valley_by_Robert_Slotte.jpg
[22:21] <valorie> huh
[22:22] <valorie> damn, that imgur doesn't take you to the flickr of them
[22:22] <valorie> geez, this has been a nightmare
[22:23] <valorie> bloom and lily of the valley were two very good ones indeed
[22:53] <valorie> Bloom has a good license
[22:53] <valorie> and I thinked the creator for their contribution to Kubuntu
[22:56] <valorie> both of Jim Coleman's photos have the correct license
[22:58] <valorie> as does Andrea Gangemi
[23:01] <valorie> and Balazs Szanto
[23:01] <valorie> ooo, Pop Paul just changed to the correct license
[23:01] <valorie> \o/
[23:09] <valorie> I don't see the bunny one either
[23:09] <valorie> and I see some I've not seen before, so I guess people are still submitting
[23:10] <valorie> the hair is the only one we can not (yet) distribute I think
[23:10] <valorie> I see no reason not to distribute the dups; they are some of the best IMO
[23:28] <valorie> oops, Glencoe Falls is also not correctly licensed
[23:31] <valorie> alrighty, double-checked all of them -- all notifiied one way or the other, all OK but the two: hair and glencoe falls
[23:31] <valorie> and no bunny found


[01:34] <RudeViper_> New Lubuntu install on an old hp desktop. There is no hdmi for the video on this box (too old) so it isn't that old problem. lshw short is here. https://pastebin.com/vD1rQudn - how do I get sound to work on anything besides my usb headphones?
[01:36] <lynorian> RudeViper_: Does it have a headphone jack or something?
[01:36] <RudeViper_> yes but no sound from speakers.
[01:39] <RudeViper_> If I plug in the usb headset they work but not the normal speakers
 What sound ouput is it showing from
 also what version?
[01:42] <RudeViper_> headphones of course but also built in Audio Analog Stereo
[01:42] <RudeViper_> version of Lubuntu is the latest. 19.10 I think
 ok
 is it muted
[01:42] <RudeViper_> no
 RudeViper_: in pulseaudio is a configuration tab
 try different options there and see what happens
 "profile" I think is how its named
[02:38] <RudeViper_> nothing in there changed anything...reinstalled alsa and pulse...going to have to reboot now. Be back shortly.
[02:41] <RudeViper_> ok that worked... Just had to reinstall alsa and pulseaudio and reboot.
[14:15] <desikoder> This distro rocks on my intel atom netbook!
[14:20] <kc2bez> desikoder: Thanks for the feedback! We are glad you enjoying it :)
[14:25] <desikoder> @kc2bez Oh yeah, I work as a solutions architect and I have been able to do everything in this netbook with just 2gb ram and it cost me only $100!
[14:26] <desikoder> of course, I do all the heavy stuff on the cloud, but most of my office work, some nodejs/golang/rust development, I do it on this machine with ease.
[14:26] <desikoder> Is there any way I can contribute back?
[14:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> desikoder: You can join the devel chat and help with testing, documentation or bug triage.


[01:14] <fta> dtchen, is there a way to tweak bass/tremble/etc in p-a?
[01:15] <dtchen> fta: not in Karmic's
[01:15] <dtchen> fta: there is in git HEAD
[01:16] <fta> ok
[01:18] <fta> dtchen, i think i will buy a new motherboard for my desktop, do you recommend a specific sound chipset that would save me from all the troubles i have? (and not bring me new troubles)
[01:24] <dtchen> fta: hmm, just about all of them will give you headaches, unfortunately.
[01:25] <fta> dtchen, what about real sound cards then?
[01:26] <dtchen> fta: to be honest, I've been grappling with laptop HDA for so long that I can't recommend a separate peripheral aside from pro-audio ones
[01:26] <fta> hmm
[01:26] <dtchen> fta: X-Fis are problematic
[01:27] <dtchen> some of the older new C-Medias are quite good
[01:27] <fta> if you were to buy a desktop, what would you buy?
[01:29] <BUGabundo> not intel, not realtek, not ati, not neforce
[01:29] <BUGabundo> lolol
[01:29] <dtchen> honestly, I'm really not the best person to recommend a desktop, sorry
[01:43] <BUGabundo> bed time
[01:43] <BUGabundo> see you guys tomorrow
[04:33] <ripps> chromium-browser stopped working. I keep getting segfaults and '[3:4:744296084:ERROR:/build/buildd/chromium-browser-<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20091016r29274/build-tree/src/ipc/ipc_channel_posix.cc(451)] pipe error (9): Connection reset by peer
[04:40] <ripps> I have a backtrace, would it be more appropriote to file it on the chromium bug tracker? or is it a ppa issue?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> its to damn early
[10:00] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: tell me bout it i have started with my day fighting with a bsod and now reinstalling some stuff
[10:00] <eagles0513875> before u say anything only reason im on vista is due to me being a gamer
[10:01] <eagles0513875> ill be back
[10:01] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: playstation/xbox/nitendo/wii ect... are for games pc's are for the fun things like fixing broken apps
[10:01] <eagles0513875> hehe i have linux on my laptop
[10:01] <eagles0513875> once i get win 7 im going to duel boot
[10:01] <eagles0513875> need to get all my data off this hard drive
[10:01] <eagles0513875> ill be back
[10:02] <gnomefreak> a free win 7 would be great but some how i doubt it will be free
[10:02] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: k
[10:11] <gnomefreak> !grub2
[13:28] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[14:53] <gnomefreak> fta2: asac you around?
[14:54] <gnomefreak> tbird 3 is messed up something bad
[15:00] <gnomefreak> it looks like its gone now
[15:01] <gnomefreak> debian 547173
[15:42] <gnomefreak> debian 548727
[15:48] <gnomefreak> av`: your email was accepted to mailing list
[15:48] <av`> gnomefreak, ?
[15:49] <gnomefreak> av`: ah it was your bug report on debian
[15:49] <av`> yeah :)
[21:37] <[reed]> asac: NSS/NSPR for _this_ release


[06:28] <davide> hi all
[06:29] <davide> I have a problem with utilities/make-lp-user
[06:29] <davide> ./make-lp-user  -e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>davide
[06:29] <davide> gpg: sending key E0206B3F to hkp server keyserver.launchpad.dev
[06:30] <davide> if I issue the command:
[06:30] <davide> ...
[06:30] <davide> gpgkeys: HTTP post error 7: couldn't connect to host
[06:30] <davide> ...
[06:31] <davide> any hints?
[07:01] <StevenK> davide: Are the Launchpad services running on the machine?
[07:16] <davide> yes I guess they are running;  https://launchpad.dev works
[08:28] <wgrant> jtv: Morning.
[08:28] <jtv> wgrant: I'd answer the same thing but let's be honest, we're both well past morning.  :-)
[08:28] <jtv> Hi!
[08:28] <wgrant> Shh.
[08:29] <jtv> Oh... sorry.  :)
[08:29] <wgrant> So, I've had a few people complain to me that Rosetta spams them too much for package uploads.
[08:29] <wgrant> They are really not interested in success notifications.
[08:29] <wgrant> And really wish they would go away.
[08:29] <wgrant> Some normalish uploads result in hundreds of emails.
[08:29] <wgrant> This is considered suboptimal.
[08:30] <henninge> wgrant: Hi! Thanks for relaying that.
[08:30] <henninge> wgrant: what would be considered optimal, then?
[08:31] <dpm> ah, that's bug 353648
[08:31] <_mup_> Bug #353648: Template import success notifications shouldn't be sent to package uploaders <Launchpad Translations:Triaged by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/353648>
[08:31] <wgrant> henninge: Failures only.
[08:31] <jtv> Not surprising.
[08:31] <jtv> In fact I think it was anticipated.
[08:32] <henninge> jtv: It also is not a new problem, is it?
[08:32] <jtv> No, not a new problem.
[08:33] <jtv> Success notifications were reasonable when the normal thing to do was upload a file or tarball, manually.
[08:33] <adeuring> good morning
[08:33] <henninge> jtv: but we can tell success by simply looking at the queue, can't we?
[08:34] <henninge> do we know of anybody that depends or works with these success emails?
[08:34] <henninge> adeuring: moin
[08:34] <adeuring> hi henninge1
[08:36] <jtv> hi adeuring
[08:36] <adeuring> hi jtv!
[08:36] <jtv> henninge: we used to get some Ubuntu import statistics that way, but that's a long time ago.
[08:36] <wgrant> It's not a new problem, no. It's been a point of concern for a long time now.
[08:37] <jtv> I think the reasonable assumption is that unless you hear otherwise, a change goes in—and soon.  That too has improved a lot.
[08:38] <wgrant> That's what we do for the builds themselves.
[08:38] <wgrant> It works well.
[08:40] <jtv> The only case I can think of where they could really be nice to have is for uploads that get held up.  So a "you have entries stuck in needs-review" email could well be enough to replace success messages.
[08:41] <jtv> Maybe it's also helpful to have a "the overall queue has 213,561 enrtries and the backlog is 3 days" message, like I did for the export queue.
[08:42] <jtv> (You won't usually see that because it only shows up when there's something noteworthy to say)
[08:42] <henninge> jtv: Also, our idea about mailing queue review comments could fix some of that.
[08:43] <jtv> Only very indirectly, I think, in that they speed up the interaction.  But we'd only be sending those when we were indeed reviewing the entries.
[08:58] <henninge> jtv: recife branch has a new revision! ;)
[08:58] <henninge> jtv: do we tag bugs on the integration branch as qa-needstesting?
[08:58] <jtv> henninge: not automatically, no...
[08:59] <henninge> I noticed that ...
[08:59] <henninge> I mean, manually.
[08:59] <jtv> henninge: as long as we keep the full list then we can leave that until we start integrating.
[09:00] <henninge> jtv: well, we have the full list in form of the commits to the integration branch.
[09:01] <jtv> Not ideal.
[09:01] <jtv> We should make sure the bugs are attached to the blueprint, and maybe tagged.
[09:02] <jtv> The kanban board can be a distraction from that sort of housekeeping.
[09:04] <henninge> We have not been using a tag and I am not sure we reliably attached them to the blueprint.
[09:06] <jtv> henninge: I'll just check my own ones...
[09:07] <henninge> jtv: I wonder what will happen when we merge the integration branch into .... db-devel(?) Won't the qa-tagging script pick them up anyway?
[09:08] <jtv> henninge: probably, that's true...
[09:08] <henninge> jtv: so we need to make sure to have bugs on branches - which we usually do.
[09:08] <jtv> There are a few that we can't Q/A individually anyway, such as "rename the flags"
[09:09] <henninge> yes, I think I remember we already agreed that QA will have to wait until then. We will have to land that early in a cycle.
[10:42] <james_w> bigjools: could you give me a pointer to a test using a "script hook"? I haven't heard of them before.
[10:42] <bigjools> james_w: sure, it's pretty simple, hag on
[10:42] <bigjools> hang, even
[10:43] <bigjools> james_w: see lib/lp/archivepublisher/tests/test_generate_ppa_htaccess.py
[10:43] <james_w> thanks
[10:43] <bigjools> james_w: it has getScript and a runScript helpers
[10:43] <bigjools> one of them calls Popen, the other grabs the script class and calls its main()
[10:44] <bigjools> james_w: see cronscripts/generate-ppa-htaccess.py for the top-level script
[10:44] <bigjools> it doesn't do much other than instantiate the script class and run it
[10:57] <james_w> yay, tests that aren't run in lp.soyuz.adapters
[10:57] <bigjools> :/
[10:58] <james_w> how does the runner find tests?
[10:59] <bigjools> I thought it looked for anything called test_*
[10:59] <bigjools> seems not
[10:59] <james_w> it does
[10:59] <james_w> missing __init__.py
[11:00] <bigjools> gargh
[11:00] <bigjools> that is such a stupid Python feature
[11:01] <lifeless> discovert can work around it a bit
[11:01] <lifeless> namespace packags can too
[11:01] <lifeless> also there is some magic/aweful coming up in newer pythons too
[11:09] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:22] <lifeless> deryck: 'lo
[11:23] <deryck> hi lifeless
[11:25] <ajmitch> hi
[11:30] <ajmitch> mrevell: out of interest, when's the cutoff for landing code for 10.06?
[11:31] <mrevell> ajmitch, Friday this week, AFAIK
[11:31]  * ajmitch might try & get the blueprint api stuff reviewed at least
[11:31] <ajmitch> ok
[11:32] <james_w> "Confirm this transaction? [yes, no]"
[11:32] <james_w> just want you want from a webservice, an command line prompt
[11:33] <wgrant> That's a webservice?
[13:15] <james_w> why isn't packagecopyrequest just part of the job system?
[14:56] <cakofony> Is there any way to get the "uses launchpad for" information from the api?
[14:59] <bigjools> james_w: the job system wasn't mature enough when copy archives were written
[14:59] <james_w> bigjools: so you would have no problem with making it a job?
[14:59] <bigjools> it was done in a way to make it possible though
[14:59] <bigjools> nope
[14:59] <james_w> ok
[15:00] <bigjools> that's the intention
[15:11] <cakofony> Using the api, is it possible to iterate through all the developers? or count them?  It only returns up to 50 for me
[15:14] <james_w> cakofony: it's set to return the 50 top contributors to LP, and not iterate through all people, presumably to prevent abuse
[15:16] <cakofony> james_w: is there any way to get the full list of developers?  I'm working on an open source project that gathers data from forge sites (with sleeps, we dont want to ddos anybody)
[15:16] <james_w> no, there isn't
[15:17] <cakofony> can I search for all the people who have contributed to each project?
[15:18] <james_w> cakofony: as for "uses launchpad for", I don't think that's exposed right now, you can file a bug requesting it
[15:18] <james_w> no, you can't do that either as far as I know
[15:18] <cakofony> Alright, thanks for your help! ^.^
[16:05] <sinzui> jml, talk>
[16:05] <sinzui> talk?
[16:27] <jml> sinzui, hi
[16:28] <sinzui> hi jml
[16:28] <jml> sinzui, sorry, meeting ran over time
[16:28] <jml> sinzui, still up for a quick mumble?
[16:28] <sinzui> yes
[16:55] <sinzui> jml: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/w/wsjt/wsjt_5.9.7.r383-1.4/copyright
[19:20] <james_w> are there docs on creating a db patch?
[19:21] <james_w> https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/DatabaseSchemaChangesProcess
[20:09] <james_w> is changing security.cfg an entirely manual thing? How do I know what is appropriate to add?
[20:09] <lifeless> yes
[20:09] <lifeless> uhm
[20:10] <lifeless> generally you add 'just enough' permissions
[20:10] <lifeless> and if they seem broad reconsider the design
[20:13] <james_w> luckily most of the role names actually make sense
[20:21] <lifeless> \o/
[23:18] <james_w> anyone around who knows the job system and can provide some advice?
[23:18] <james_w> I would like to know the preferred way to implement a new job
[23:20] <james_w> Whether a fairly generic job with json, implying serialising some things to strings to lookup as keys when the job is run, or a more-specific job type that can have References to the other models, saving that serialisation step, would be preferred.


[00:31]  * zcm is installing Xubuntu on a Chromebook
[01:56] <bobbishop> does anyone know how i can create a bootable usb on xubuntu besides unetbootin?
[01:56] <bobbishop> I say besides unetbootin because arch linux doesn't really work well with arch based distros
[01:57] <Unit193> You can use dd.
[01:59] <bobbishop> what is dd?
[02:00] <holstein> !dd
[07:55] <xubuntu27w> hi guys
[07:55] <xubuntu27w> i need a small help
[07:55] <xubuntu27w> can you upload /usr/share/themes/Greybird/ greybird theme to a site for me ?
[07:56] <xubuntu27w> i changed my icons so i need it
[07:57] <ochosi> xubuntu27w: sry i don't understand, why do you need that?
[07:58] <ochosi> in case you deleted that folder, you can just do a "sudo apt-get install shimmer-themes --reinstall" and it'll be restored
[07:58] <ochosi> if you just want the theme and are not using xubuntu, you can grab the theme from github
[08:17] <xubuntu27w> thank you ochosi
[08:18] <xubuntu27w> good bye all
[08:21] <xubuntu74w> ochosi
[08:21] <xubuntu74w> i did what did you want
[08:21] <xubuntu74w> and now
[08:22] <xubuntu74w> up windowframe of thunar color is blue
[08:22] <xubuntu74w> i want it to be gray
[08:22] <xubuntu74w> how can ı change
[08:23] <ochosi> you likely have to change your window manager theme
[08:23] <ochosi> settings > window manager > set the theme to greybird
[08:26] <xubuntu74w> i thank you
[08:27] <xubuntu74w> now
[08:27] <xubuntu74w> there is a problem :(
[08:28] <xubuntu74w> titlebar is too close to menus
[08:28] <ochosi> i'm sorry, i don't really understand what you're saying there
[08:30] <Hund> xubuntu74w: I believe if you change the window title size the titlebar gets bigger
[08:30] <Hund> It's been a while since I used Xfwm.
[08:32] <xubuntu74w> anyway
[08:32] <xubuntu74w> i thank you
[08:32] <xubuntu74w> i fixed big issue
[08:32] <Hund> Good.
[08:32] <xubuntu74w> may be updates can change this
[08:32] <xubuntu74w> good bye all
[08:33] <knome> well no, the theme is designed to be like that
[08:57] <xubuntu23w> hello xubuntu room,what is a simple command to locate a specific file please
[08:57] <ochosi> try "find" or "locate"
[09:27] <tga> greetings
[09:32] <tga> I'm trying to upgrade a 14.04 to xfce 4.12 and not having much luck with the ppa
[09:33] <tga> a bunch of packages are getting updated, but as far as I can tell I'm not getting any new 4.12 features
[09:33] <tga> any tricks for upgrading properly?
[09:34] <knome> tga, the ppa is the best you can get.
[09:34] <knome> tga, if you want anything better than that, you have to build it all yourself
[09:34] <tga> thing is, I don't notice any change at all
[09:34] <tga> as far as I can tell I'm still running 4.10
[09:37] <xubuntu40w> how to change name?
[09:37] <knome> xubuntu40w, what name?
[09:37] <xubuntu40w> xubuntu40w ---> kiaph
[09:38] <knome> /nick newnick
[09:38] <tga> knome:  is there any easy way of telling which version of xfwm I'm running?
[09:38] <kiaph> glad newnick was in use
[09:38] <tga> does it show up in an about dialog somewhere?
[09:39] <knome> tga, 'apt-cache policy xfwm4' tells you the package version
[09:40] <tga> hmm maybe I should just restart, I just did a logoff after upgrade
[09:42] <kiaph> so
[09:43] <kiaph> I have to clean install , I have an alienware m14x , 5 year old laptop (optimus) , xubuntu 14 , what is best order of commands following reinstall to get nvidia card working?
[09:44] <tga> knome: are window previews on alt tab enabled by default in 4.12?
[09:46] <brainwash> tga: 14.04 already installs many components of Xfce 4.11 (the development release), so you may not notice many changes
[09:47] <kiaph> should i just get beta 2?
[09:47] <kiaph> it seems pretty stable
[09:47] <kiaph> will beta 2 update to finish product for me?
[09:47] <tga> well I'm looking at the new features of 4.12 and I can't see any of them
[09:47] <brainwash> kiaph: it's worth a try, and yes, it will update to the final version
[09:48] <brainwash> tga: window previews can be enabled in settings manager > window manager tweaks > last tab
[09:49] <tga> hmm you may be right that I've been using 4.11 the new features
[09:49] <tga> + no compositor here
[09:50] <kiaph> you think 15 will be able to use bumblebeeed /nvidia prime
[09:50] <tga> a-ha, that was it, no display compositing = no pretty features
[09:50] <kiaph> my gtx555m prettymuch needs it
[09:50] <brainwash> :D
[09:50] <tga> then I only have to enable xfdashboard
[09:50] <brainwash> kiaph: well, you have to try and see if it works fine for you
[09:51] <kiaph> i know was trying to find a postinstall guild to optimze getting nividiaprime / hybrid settings working
[09:51] <kiaph> but it doesn't seem to exsist
[09:53] <tga> mmkay, xfdashboard is kinda wonky and just crashed
[09:53] <tga> I think I'll stick with the applauncher
[09:54] <brainwash> kiaph: if you have a specific question about hardware/drivers, maybe you should ask in #ubuntu
[09:55]  * tga grumbles at no package for faenza
[10:40] <wolfdog> Hi all, this is probably a silly tiny question. .. In the settings for xfce4-terminal theres a list  of color palette presets. Where are these stored and can I add more files to it?
[10:44] <knome> wolfdog, /usr/share/xfce4/terminal/colorschemes/
[10:46] <wolfdog> knome: brilliant, found them. thankyou very much :) after some googling i was hunting through the terminal.rc, found the default declaration but none of the options
[12:25] <guest-nfDzwr> him I need Help, how can I switch to azerty keyboard?
[14:59] <xubuntu44w> hi all
[14:59] <xubuntu44w> can I ask a question_
[14:59] <xubuntu44w> ?
[14:59] <holstein> xubuntu44w: no one will stop you.. just ask, and a volunteer may assist..
[15:01] <xubuntu44w> how can I install new fonts in xubuntu?
[15:01] <xubuntu44w> I mean windows fonts
[15:02] <xubuntu44w> I tried but I have some issue becouse everytime I open a file created with microsoft word, for example, I have text changed
[15:02] <DrunkenDwarf> if you have the .ttf file this post goes through it quite simply http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797173
[15:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Microsoft_Fonts
[15:02] <holstein> xubuntu44w: i wouldnt assume your inconsistency is a font issue..
[15:03] <DrunkenDwarf> What holstein linked to is much better than what I said .....
[15:03] <holstein> if you are opening a .doc in libreoffic, for example.. you may want to try saving it differently in word, or ask for a more open option, if installing the fonts doesnt address the issue
[15:03] <xubuntu44w> can I do this istruction on xubuntu too?
[15:03] <xubuntu44w> not just ubuntu?
[15:03] <holstein> xubuntu44w: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[15:04] <xubuntu44w> ok thank you
[15:04] <xubuntu44w> I'm learing!
[15:04] <xubuntu44w> or at least trying to
[15:04] <DrunkenDwarf> aye. Ubuntu with a nicer skin :)
[15:04] <holstein> the restricted extras meta-package will contain those fonts, as well as a lot of other things
[15:04] <xubuntu44w> yes couse my pc isn't so fast
[15:05] <holstein> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:05] <xubuntu44w> I can't remember if I already did this
[15:05] <xubuntu44w> anyway I'll try
[15:05] <holstein> !info ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[15:06] <xubuntu44w> and I have another issue
[15:06] <holstein> xubuntu44w: you can use the package manager of your choice to see if you have that package installed..
[15:06] <xubuntu44w> when I use libreoffice for opening exel files I have like visual issues
[15:06] <xubuntu44w> I can see lines where they are not present
[15:06] <holstein> xubuntu44w: sure.. when you create a file in a completely different application, you can have issues
[15:07] <xubuntu44w> and when I resize the windows those lines go away
[15:07] <holstein> sounds like a work-around
[15:07] <DrunkenDwarf> libre office is good and comes with xubuntu, but there are always others you can try too... I've found open office good when working with windows docs
[15:08] <xubuntu44w> I think it's more like a graphic card issue
[15:08] <holstein> i would create a file similar to the one you are having issues with in libreoffice, and test
[15:08] <xubuntu44w> ok I understand
[15:08] <holstein> xubuntu44w: sure, then test that, and isolate.. take a live iso to another machine with a different GPU and take the file.. open it, and see
[15:08] <xubuntu44w> ok I have to try
[15:09] <xubuntu44w> I have a lot of files created under windows
[15:09] <xubuntu44w> so often I need to check them and read them
[15:10] <holstein> sure.. but, you will really be setting yourself up for failure to expect all of that to just automatically translate to another os with different software
[15:10] <holstein> all of linux and ubuntu/xubuntu are open. if someone like microsoft wanted to make sure that all the products they create were compatible with it, they can..
[15:11] <holstein> generally, libreoffice does a great job with opening docs.. there are online options as well.. google docs, and office online
[15:13] <xubuntu44w> I understand
[15:13] <xubuntu44w> I'll try for first the fonts thing
[15:14] <holstein> also, saving on the other end, compatible with older versions of word
[15:14] <xubuntu44w> and see if I can solve the problem
[15:14] <holstein> or, just wait til you have to deal with the document, and format it, in libreoffice, if needed, and save it in open format
[15:14] <holstein> get all of your docs to the open format
[15:14] <xubuntu44w> open is a format?
[15:15] <xubuntu44w> and then can I open *open with excel?
[15:15] <holstein> the format default to libreoffice is open
[15:15] <GridCube> the open format, can be odt etc
[15:15] <holstein> you can run libreoffice on windows
[15:15] <xubuntu44w> oh ok
[15:15] <xubuntu44w> that's true
[15:16] <xubuntu44w> and if I want to reinstall xubuntu
[15:16] <xubuntu44w> cause I have an old version
[15:16] <xubuntu44w> it's better xubuntu or lubuntu?
[15:16] <GridCube> you asking in the xubuntu channel
[15:16] <holstein> "better" is a matter of opinion
[15:16] <GridCube> what answer you expect?
[15:17] <xubuntu44w> that is a pc with a pentium 4 3 Ghz
[15:17] <holstein> thats basically lxde vs xfce.. and thats up to yoyu
[15:17] <xubuntu44w> and 1 gb of ram
[15:17] <holstein> xubuntu44w: no software makes your hardware faster or better.. it can make "better" use of resources
[15:17] <xubuntu44w> yes from the resources view
[15:18] <holstein> you can try lubuntu and xubuntu live, and see what meets your needs.. i think most find lxde lighter, but, maybe too light out of the box for what they need
[15:18] <holstein> they are *all* ubuntu flavors..
[15:18] <xubuntu44w> ok
[15:18] <xubuntu44w> first of all I need to know if I have graphics card issue
[15:18] <holstein> you can install lxde into xubuntu and have them both, and choose between lxde or xfce
[15:18] <xubuntu44w> cause xubuntu was asking me like for proprietary driver
[15:19] <holstein> xubuntu44w: you can try the proprietary driver
[15:19] <xubuntu44w> and it keeps loading I don't know what
[15:19] <holstein> xubuntu44w: xubuntu was offering to install one
[15:19] <xubuntu44w> yes I installed it
[15:19] <holstein> ok.. so, you can *not* do that next time, and see if the performance is "better"
[15:19] <xubuntu44w> but I have the same issue when opening sheets
[15:19] <holstein> see if the open driver meets your needs, and has less artifacts
[15:20] <xubuntu44w> ok I'll do this
[15:20] <holstein> you can test this with a live iso
[15:20] <xubuntu44w> yes
[15:20] <xubuntu44w> ty holstein you helped me a lot
[15:20] <holstein> what i typically do when migrating a new (new to me) machine to linux is, i'll just run a lot of different live iso's, and see what supports what.. see what versions are running
[15:21] <holstein> kernel versions.. drivers.. etc
[15:21] <xubuntu44w> cause I am an all doing on pc but not an axpert one with linux generally
[15:21] <holstein> at this point, i would be trying the 15.04 live version as well.. since it would be a newer kernel.. though, on an older machine, and older kernel may be "better"...
[15:22] <xubuntu44w> yes it could be
[15:22] <xubuntu44w> ok I'm going to do some tests
[15:22] <xubuntu44w> and I'll let you know
[15:22] <holstein> xubuntu44w: o/
[15:22] <xubuntu44w> ty for now guys ;)
[15:23] <xubuntu44w> have a good day
[15:33] <DrunkenDwarf> has anyone noticed that when you snap xfce4-terminal to half the screen, it doesn't actually fill it, leaves an annoying border round it.
[15:50] <jarnos> I have several guest sessions running in 14.04. How can I log then out? It seem like I always create a new session when I log into a guest session.