[12:28] <spych102> GrueMaster: Thanks, that explains why it still didn't work
[20:31] <scientes> are any  of these new quad core arm's going to have hdmi?
[21:26] <infinity> scientes: I'm sure the MX6 will, since the MX53 already does.


[08:58] <mup> PR snapd#12100 opened: asserts: add keyword 'user-valid-for' keyword in system-user assertion (auto-removal 3/n) <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12100>
[10:08] <mup> PR snapd#12101 opened: many: support 'snap validate --refresh --enforce' <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12101>
[12:09] <mup> PR snapd#12102 opened: many: allow updates of kernel and gadget on classic with modes <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12102>
[13:54] <mup> PR snapd#12103 opened: i/b/system-observe: allow reading processes security label <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12103>
[15:00] <mup> PR snapd#12060 closed: device: add new DeviceManager.encryptionSupportInfo() <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12060>
[15:10] <mup> PR snapd#12104 opened: many: support '--purge' when removing multiple snaps <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12104>
[18:41] <mup> PR snapd#12090 closed: tests: improve and standardize debug section on tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12090>
[19:33] <mup> PR snapcraft#3895 closed: parts: allow debug shell after the lifecycle <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3895>
[20:13] <mup> PR snapcraft#3900 opened: Hotfix/7.1.4 merge <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3900>


[12:43] <vidd> Pumpernickel, may i ask what they did to get banned?
[12:43] <Pumpernickel> It was a bot.
[12:43] <vidd> ah
[12:43] <Pumpernickel> I was enforcing a previous ban.
[12:54] <Xzite> Is there a way to boot Xubuntu using a USB-memory?
[12:55] <vidd> you mean like from a usb stick as a live cd?
[12:57] <Xzite> vidd: naw... i want to install from the USB-memory since i dont have a floppy or cd-rom in this little embedded system, and since it got USB and i have a 1 gig stick i was hoping for a solution that way =)
[12:58] <vidd>  ah... Xzite I know there IS a way...but i do not recall it....
[12:58] <vidd> let me dig up a how-to......
[12:59] <Xzite> vidd: thank you very much, my google skills seems to fail tonight =/
[01:03] <Xzite> vidd: this is the system im gonna try installing on... http://www.ipcmax.com/product_info.php?products_id=224
[01:04] <maxamillion> Xzite: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB try that one
[01:04] <vidd> maxamillion, is too fast for me
[01:04] <vidd> =]
[01:04] <maxamillion> i do only what i can
[01:05] <Merchelo> !info poo
[01:05] <ubotu> Package poo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:05] <Merchelo> er
[01:05] <maxamillion> Merchelo: ?
[01:06] <Xzite> maxamillion: hmm... does that guide explain exactly how to get the data to the usb-stick?
[01:06] <maxamillion> Xzite: not entirely sure to be honest, just found it in a search i did
[01:07] <Xzite> maxamillion: ahh... ok, since i know the system will boot from USB... i just dont know how to get the Xubunto CD onto the stick...
[01:07] <maxamillion> Xzite: ah, ok ... lemme find you a link for that
[01:08] <Xzite> maxamillion: i mean, it could be as simple as extracting the *.iso to the stick but hey... i have no idea... i'm out of caffeine =/
[01:08] <maxamillion> Xzite: its almost that simple, i don't remember the exact steps but i will get you a link
[01:08] <Xzite> maxamillion: thank you very much =)
[01:09] <vidd> Xzite, what do you have running on that comp now?
[01:09] <Merchelo> maxamillion: was looking on how to add a factoid to the ubotu, for usbbooting
[01:09] <Xzite> vidd: nothing at all, got it from a friend for like 50 Euro couple of weeks ago...
[01:10] <maxamillion> Merchelo: you would have to ask for permission in #ubuntu-ops
[01:10] <Merchelo> ahh ok
[01:11] <maxamillion> Xzite: does that machine have a hard drive or you need to run it as a live session?
[01:11] <maxamillion> nvm ... i just checked the linke
[01:11] <Xzite> maxamillion: i have a 2 gig drive installed, and 256 megs of memory...
[01:12] <vidd> wow...tiny
[01:12] <maxamillion> Xzite: here is an article that covers many alternate installation methods for people without cd-rom drives and details on each method .... http://www.jonlee.ca/tag/optical-drive/ enjoy :)
[01:12] <Xzite> vidd: yeah i know, but i dont need more...
[01:13] <Xzite> vidd: it's gonna play bedside irc/mail/mp3jukebox(if i get the audio to work)-computer
[01:14] <vidd> it has a usb-install
[01:15] <maxamillion> vidd: but once the installation is complete, it doesn't offer full desktop functionality, such as ability to install other apps or receive system updates
[01:15] <vidd> maxamillion, just enough to get the base system....
[01:16] <vidd> once the base system is up and he has internet...he can replace the sources.list with fiesty's sources.list and update, and then get all he wants....
[01:17] <vidd> its a little tricky...but it works surprisingly well
[01:17] <maxamillion> vidd: nope, DSL doesn't come with a fully functional dpkg or apt setup
[01:17] <maxamillion> vidd: or atleast it used to not ... they might have changed that since i last spoke with the project lead
[01:17] <vidd> hrm...
[01:17] <maxamillion> it has been a couple years
[06:42] (Jester45/#xubuntu) typical windows :)
[06:42] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) or the library ... which ever you prefer to call it
[06:42] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) Jester45: no joke
[06:43] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) looks like a cool game :)
[06:43] (Jester45/#xubuntu) whats dpkg's error code 1 mean
[06:43] (thirdy/#xubuntu) maxamillion, I just choosed the project type in devc++5 to be Win32 not Console app
[06:43] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) Jester45: no clue
[06:44] <maxamillion> thirdy: yeah, then it probably used some windows DLL and didn't make you learn anything about how the gui actually functions
[06:44] <maxamillion> thirdy: you will need to learn to use a tool called glade
[06:45] <thirdy> maxamillion, yeah, I saw a DLL pop up in my folder
[06:45] <maxamillion> thirdy: it will be the easiest for you to write gui apps on linux
[06:45] <thirdy> maxamillion, Kdevelop?
[06:45] <maxamillion> thirdy: http://glade.gnome.org/ .... its in the repos "sudo aptitude install glade"
[06:46] <maxamillion> thirdy: don't know ... like i said last night, haven't touched KDE since 2001 and even then, i never used kdevelop for more than a day
[06:46] <thirdy> !glade
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <maxamillion> !info glade
[06:47] <ubotu> glade: GTK+ 2 User Interface Builder. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.12.1-6ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 310 kB, installed size 4936 kB
[06:47] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[06:47] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:47] <maxamillion> lol!!!
[06:47] <maxamillion> i didn't know sev updated its reply ... that's awesome
[06:48] <thirdy> I really need to get a new monitor, mine is since I was in kindergarten, now I'm gonna be 2nd yr college
[06:49] <maxamillion> thirdy: yeah ... that's bad for your eyes ...
[06:49] <AlexC> AAHHHHHHHHHH
[06:49] <maxamillion> AlexC: that is not a good sign ... what's wrong?
[06:49] <AlexC> thirdy:that's dangerous shit
[06:50] <thirdy> AlexC, thats why I need to make money, need to buy lots of things
[06:50] <maxamillion> !language AlexC
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language alexc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <thirdy> maxamillion, ok Exaile! won't start
[06:51] <maxamillion> thirdy: uhmm... question about your "stars fall on" app ... does it constantly write to and update a file somewhere just incase windows freezes, then the user can restart the app and pick back up where they left off?
[06:51] <maxamillion> thirdy: really? ... strange
[06:51] <AlexC> i need a 2 port usb hub
[06:51] <AlexC> unpluging the keyboard is annoying
[06:51] <thirdy> maxamillion, nope it doesn't
[06:52] <thirdy> maxamillion, is this worth downloading?
[06:52] <thirdy> http://forumw.org/viewtopic.php?t=67831&highlight=linspire
[06:52] <maxamillion> AlexC: i actually think i have like 3 4-port usb hubs around here somewhere ... they were free give away's from the belkin rep when i worked at best buy back in high school ... if i find one i can ship it to you
[06:52] <thirdy> Linspire says "The world's easiest Desktop linux"
[06:53] <maxamillion> thirdy: Linspire is built off of ubuntu
[06:53] <AlexC> sweet
[06:53] <maxamillion> thirdy: and you wouldn't want linspire, you would want freespire (the free version)
[06:53] <AlexC> maxamillion: I'm in ausralia
[06:53] <maxamillion> thirdy: and i don't care for it much, but you might enjoy it ... i think the click-n-run system is something you would get along with
[06:53] <maxamillion> AlexC: oh ... ouch
[06:54] <AlexC> :(
[06:54] <maxamillion> AlexC: yeah, sorry ... i don't think i have enough money for shipping to there
[06:55] <AlexC> they don't cost that much anyway
[06:55] <AlexC> i'll get one
[06:56] <maxamillion> AlexC: true
[06:56] <maxamillion> AlexC: sorry :(
[06:56] <AlexC> i hate virtual packages
[06:56] <AlexC> they make me angry
[06:57] <maxamillion> AlexC: ... you mean meta packages?
[06:57] <AlexC> the ones that just link places
[06:57] <maxamillion> yeah ... meta packages
[06:58] <AlexC> packages.ubuntu.com calls them virtual
[06:58] <TacticalPenguin> hello
[06:58] <maxamillion> AlexC: oh ... didn't know that
[06:58] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: hello
[06:58] <maxamillion> AlexC: the devs call them meta :P
[06:58] <AlexC> :P
[06:59] <thirdy> maxamillion, I woudn't want freespire?
[07:00] <xjkx> I saw a video on youtube where the desktop was 3d, what i need to do
[07:00] <TacticalPenguin> Beryl
[07:00] <maxamillion> thirdy: i think you might like it ... it uses KDE and i think you would enjoy the CNR system
[07:00] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: beryl? ... what about it?
[07:00] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: oh... nvm
[07:01] <TacticalPenguin> xjkx- lookup beryl and search about installing it, its supported pretty well
[07:01] <maxamillion> xjkx: http://wiki.beryl-project.org
[07:01] <maxamillion> xjkx: if that link doesn't work let me know ... i just typed it from memory
[07:01] <TacticalPenguin> Ive had beryl working on an ubuntu install before havent tried with xubuntu yet but it should still work
[07:01] <TacticalPenguin> Yea its coolfor like a day
[07:01] <TacticalPenguin> Then it gets old
[07:02] <xjkx> it works
[07:02] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: i've run beryl on xubuntu ... it works
[07:02] <TacticalPenguin> Ok
[07:02] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: but yeah ... after about 2 weeks i just became annoyed
[07:02] <TacticalPenguin> haha 2 weeks
[07:03] <TacticalPenguin> didn't take me half that
[07:03] <TacticalPenguin> Has anybody in here managed to get the source of ncurses and/or terminfo to compile and get them to install?
[07:03] <TacticalPenguin> Or know of a better way?
[07:03] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: well i ran it at work long before vista came out and i work in a windows dominated office so it was fun to be like "oh, look what else your operating system can't do"
[07:04] <TacticalPenguin> maxamillion: yea Its fun to tack on what windows cant do when youre trying to get people to try linux
[07:05] <homebrewcider> can someone please help me get Logitech 250 USB headset workingplease. I can select it in menu>settings>settings manager, but mic is selected and when i select speaker, the setting never stays selected
[07:05] <thirdy> Freespire doesn't just take open source programs and "toss them in." There are hundreds of changes made to programs such as Firefox, Thunderbird, KDE, GIMP, OpenOffice, etc. that you'll find in Freespire and the CNR Warehouse programs
[07:05] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: i could be wrong, but i think there is a package called "ncurses-term" that is what you are looking for .... but i could be wrong, i don't know much of it
[07:05] <thirdy> that one catched me
[07:05] <homebrewcider> or at least tell me where to look
[07:05] <TacticalPenguin> Ok Ill try that
[07:05] <maxamillion> thirdy: give it a try, only you can decide what is best for your needs ;)
[07:06] <xjkx> maxamillion: the part on "ubuntu" when talking about installation was incomplete, i installed by myself with apt-get install beryl, is there a "what else to do" in that site? cant find
[07:06] <maxamillion> homebrewcider: i unfortunately have no clue .... you might try googling around a bit or ask in #xfce
[07:06] <TacticalPenguin> Well that package exists
[07:06] <TacticalPenguin> Not sure if itll do what I need it for but Ill try
[07:06] <TacticalPenguin> (its for compiling psptoolchain)
[07:06] <maxamillion> xjkx: not sure, its been about 8 months since i used beryl
[07:06] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: oh ... uhmmm... dunno
[07:07] <TacticalPenguin> well ill try it
[07:07] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: you might need ncurses dev tools or something for compiling
[07:07] <thirdy> automatix2 really sucks
[07:07] <TacticalPenguin> yea it says install ncurses before continuing
[07:07] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: if that doesn't work ... try out "ncurses-dev" package or "ncurses-runtime" package
[07:07] <TacticalPenguin> wait
[07:07] <maxamillion> thirdy: yes, automatix is garbage
[07:07] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: yes?
[07:08] <TacticalPenguin> the folder it checked for in usr/lib is libncurses
[07:08] <TacticalPenguin> lemme try aptgetting it with lib on the front
[07:08] <thirdy> maxamillon, wat do you use for torrent?
[07:08] <TacticalPenguin> I use deluge for torrents
[07:08] <thirdy> xubuntu, doesn't have one
[07:08] <Jester45> i use azureus
[07:08] <thirdy> smart install deluge won't work
[07:09] <TacticalPenguin> worked for me just fine
[07:09] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: ah, yes ... there is a libncurses4 and libncurses5 package ... i assume just using libncurses will pull the latest version
[07:09] <TacticalPenguin> DLed the deb and ran it
[07:09] <TacticalPenguin> hmm
[07:09] <TacticalPenguin> i tried libncurses5 and it says its already installed
[07:09] <TacticalPenguin> and at the latest
[07:11] <maxamillion> thirdy: deluge isn't in the repositories yet, you have to download the deb from the site and install it with either dpkg or run it in gdebi (or just double click, i think gdebi will launch and install it for you)
[07:11] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: hmm....
[07:11] <TacticalPenguin> yea thats what I did just got it and ran it in gdebi
[07:11] <maxamillion> thirdy: http://deluge-torrent.org/
[07:12] <maxamillion> gdebi is a wonderful app :)
[07:12] <maxamillion> like a cross between dpkg and apt-get ... good times
[07:12] <maxamillion> anyhoo, back to your ncurses issue
[07:12] <TacticalPenguin> lol an dit has a gui
[07:12] <TacticalPenguin> *and it
[07:12] <TacticalPenguin> its not really urgent but its been annoying me for a while lol
[07:13] <maxamillion> TacticalPenguin: you might want to try installing ncurses-dev and libncurses4 ... just incase it wants the older version or some dev library
[07:13] <TacticalPenguin> hmm im trying installing ncurses-dev
[07:13] <TacticalPenguin> wow lol 5mb to download
[07:14] <maxamillion> wow
[07:14] <TacticalPenguin> installed
[07:14] <maxamillion> nice
[07:14] <TacticalPenguin> lemem try toolchain now
[07:14] <maxamillion> my net connection is soo slow :(
[07:14] <maxamillion> k
[07:14] <TacticalPenguin> mines 768kbps dsl lol
[07:15] <TacticalPenguin> max download speed is like 90KBps
[07:15] <TacticalPenguin> next worse thing is dialup
[07:16] <maxamillion> well i am a college student and i live off campus in a college town, i'm 10 miles out and too far for cable or dsl ... so i have a cingular/at&t air-card with only EDGE network coverage in the area, so i get like 250kbps max, average of 150kbps and download from the repos at around 30kbps
[07:16] <Jester45> no next thing is ISDN
[07:16] <maxamillion> Jester45: they don't really offer ISDN anymore
[07:17] <AlexC> THAT'S IT!!!!
[07:17] <maxamillion> AlexC: ?
[07:17] <Jester45> i know but its the next level up
[07:17] <AlexC> DEATH TO LIBSDL-DEV
[07:17] <maxamillion> AlexC: LOL
[07:17] <maxamillion> Jester45: true
[07:18] <crimsun> beats my 56kbps dialup.
[07:18] <Jester45> then you got dual ISDN and quad and what mulitpule of it they got it to
[07:18] <AlexC> i've downloaded like 140 packages over the last two days
[07:18] <maxamillion> crimsun: ouch ... you uber dev on dialup? ... you are a trooper
[07:19] <Jester45> then what.. minimal DSL
[07:19] <AlexC> and their dependancies
[07:19] <AlexC> and for what?
[07:19] <maxamillion> AlexC: no clue ... why don't you tell us :)
[07:19] <AlexC> to compile a game
[07:19] <Jester45> what game
[07:20] <AlexC> but no, simply downloading and installing packages isn't enough
[07:20] <Jester45> i give up after the first or 2nd package
[07:21] <AlexC> you have to sell yourself as a sex slave for two years in egypt and then you still have to port 400,000 binary files without source
[07:21] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah, the worst part is i just moved into this house last week and my old place had 3mbps/5mbps for half the price i pay for this stupid cellular air-card
[07:21] <AlexC> it's impossible
[07:21] <Jester45> ?? ok..
[07:21] <crimsun> what the heck is AlexC attempting?
[07:21] <maxamillion> AlexC: wow ... maybe you just need to find a new game
[07:22] <AlexC> i'll try to install one that you don't have to compile
[07:22] <AlexC> if there are any
[07:22] <Jester45> maxamillion: and you have good lantency with it hooked 2 like 4 things right? didnt you say its connect to a windows laptop then to a desktop
[07:23] <maxamillion> Jester45: windows laptop, router, then 3 different linux machines
[07:23] <Jester45> AlexC: search the repo for "game" you will have an hour or 2 of read names
[07:23] <maxamillion> Jester45: and the windows install wasn't paid for by me ... my work took the bill on that one
[07:24] <Jester45> but still each new device makes more delay
[07:24] <Jester45> but your probly not a gamer right?
[07:24] <maxamillion> Jester45: nope
[07:24] <maxamillion> Jester45: only thing i was upset about is that i had to lower my bitrate on my netradio stream
[07:25] <maxamillion> AlexC: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Native_Games
[07:25] <Jester45> raise the cache to like 100mb
[07:25] <AlexC> wiki.ubuntu.com/Games
[07:26] <maxamillion> Jester45: this setup is better than going with satellite internet ... which was my other option
[07:26] <maxamillion> AlexC: the link i gave you if from a ubuntu gamers community ... it has a good long list, i've played a few they list on there ... but only the ones in the repos because compiling games has never worked for me
[07:27] <AlexC> i don't have access to repo's from ubuntu computter
[07:27] <AlexC> i have to usb disk them over
[07:27] <maxamillion> AlexC: ahhh ... uhmm, you should remedy that ;)
[07:28] <maxamillion> AlexC: why does it not have a net connection?
[07:28] <AlexC> it has two winmodems
[07:28] <Jester45> wifi problems im guessing
[07:28] <Jester45> o
[07:28] <AlexC> that is my problem
[07:28] <maxamillion> AlexC: jeebus
[07:28] <Jester45> i had a winmodem/audiocard in one
[07:28] <Jester45> of my computers
[07:28] <maxamillion> AlexC: usb network interface a possibility? ... won't look pretty, but it will work
[07:28] <maxamillion> Jester45: ouch
[07:29] <AlexC> maxamillion, i would have to drill a hole in the walll
[07:29] <maxamillion> AlexC: wifi not a possibility?
[07:30] <AlexC> that would cost money
[07:30] <Jester45> kinda weird setup has the modem out put then a analog audio line up to a chuck of circuit board that stuck in a pci slot and has output there (didnt use pci for data only power)
[07:30] <AlexC> in the networking app.....
[07:30] <AlexC> sys>networking
[07:30] <AlexC> umm...
[07:31] <maxamillion> AlexC: yeah, don't use that thing ... its weird
[07:31] <AlexC> to activate a interface do you just tick that little box
[07:31] <AlexC> okay
[07:31] <AlexC> what should i get?(must be compat with dial-up)
[07:31] <maxamillion> AlexC: oh, i dunno
[07:31] <AlexC> i heard wvdial is a good option
[07:32] <AlexC> i might try it out
[07:32] <maxamillion> AlexC: i've just never had good luck with the provided network app
[07:32] <Jester45> AlexC: there is data over power, i dont know what its called but it uses power line to transfer data about wifi speed. you just plug it into an outlet and plug a network calbe into that
[07:32] <Jester45> its a funny idea
[07:32] <maxamillion> Jester45: ohhhh yeah, i heard of that ... even read a couple reviews about it
[07:32] <AlexC> it sound difficult
[07:33] <Jester45> nope its easier than wired and wifi becuase it uses the building power lines and you just plug your cable in and its connected
[07:33] <maxamillion> AlexC: probably more trouble and money then its worth
[07:34] <Jester45> each umm router i think can handel ~20 nodes or somthing like that
[07:34] <Jester45> yea.. but still cool
[07:34] <maxamillion> Jester45: very cool
[07:35] <Jester45> now they just need to use that but for dsl... maybe extend the reach a few miles
[07:35] <Jester45> or shorten
[07:35] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah, that would solve my non-dsl problems ... i am literally like a hundred feet or so too far from the service center
[07:36] <maxamillion> and they won't fork the money to drop a repeater because they just don't care
[07:38] <thirdy_> hmm, i'll go back to xp for now, haven't start any program, bye
[07:39] <maxamillion> uhh... ok
[07:53] <xjkx> Starting Tomcat 5 servlet engine using Java from /usr/lib/jdk: (and then it doesnt open)
[07:53] <xjkx> what could be wrong
[07:54] <maxamillion> xjkx: do you have java installed?
[07:56] <xjkx> maxamillion: how do i check?
[07:58] <maxamillion> xjkx: type "java -version" in the command line and tell me what it says
[07:59] <xjkx> java version "1.4.2"
[07:59] <xjkx> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu5)
[08:00] <maxamillion> xjkx: yeah, you don't have sun microsystems official java installed ... you have the gnu version and i don't know if tomcat will run on that or not
[08:01] <maxamillion> xjkx: do "sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre" in the command line
[08:01] <xjkx> ok
[08:04] <maxamillion> xjkx: and then try the "java -version" again and let me know what it says
[08:04] <xjkx> it said "these packages will be kept: "  and didnt install, should i install the 5? Five works in that
[08:07] <maxamillion> xjkx: sure
[08:24] <AlexC> peh, games are overrated
[08:26] <maxamillion> lol
[08:27] <maxamillion> frozenbubble for the win
[08:29] <AlexC> too big
[08:29] <AlexC> for my dial-up
[08:29] <AlexC> :(
[08:29] <AlexC> unles................ no, it's too big
[08:29] <maxamillion> i sorry... good game though
[08:30] <AlexC> i know
[08:30] <AlexC> all of them are good
[08:30] <AlexC> i just wish i had Broadband
[08:31] <maxamillion> yeah ... i had broadband a week and a half ago ... now i don't :(
[08:31] <maxamillion> my new house is awesome though :)
[10:05] <kikr_> hey what's a program to download that can grab the colors from the viewport
[10:05] <kikr_> grab the hex*
[10:23] <TheSheep> kikr_: you can use gimp for that
[10:24] <kikr_> k
[10:25] <TheSheep> kikr_: in the gimp's color picker, there is one icon with a screen and the pipette
[10:25] <TheSheep> kikr_: that's the tool
[10:27] <kikr_> thanks
[02:22] <Merchelo> quiet in here today
[02:44] <helpme> xubuntu rocks!
[02:44] <helpme> :D
[02:47] <helpme> do you guys love xubuntu too?
[02:47] <Merchelo> in a non physical way, yes
[02:48] <helpme> its economical but sexyyyyyyy
[02:49] <bolt> hey... I installed Network Manager from Add/Remove but it doesn't show up
[02:49] <bolt> after a reboot, it's not in my systray
[02:50] <bolt> nor on the menu
[02:50] <bolt> how can I get it to start up when I log in?
[02:50] <helpme> log in as root
[02:50] <helpme> oh wait
[02:50] <Merchelo> settings->autostarted applications
[02:53] <Merchelo> then in add NetworkManager
[02:56] <bolt> trying that now :)
[02:57] <low_on_ram> does anyone know how I can boot into xubuntu using the live CD without the X server?
[02:58] <pleia2> you have to use the alternate CD, can't use the LiveCD
[02:58] <bolt> Merchelo: apparently, I must be root to run NetworkManager
[03:01] <low_on_ram> pleia2, ok. downloading Alternate CD ... will try and see
[03:36] <Merchelo> bolt, yeah, i installed it there, and can't run it for some odd reason
[03:40] <bolt> how can I delete my saved session?
[03:40] <bolt> I set nm-applet to autostart, and now I get one more of them each time i log in!
[03:40] <bolt> i have 10 applets now
[03:44] <bolt> nevermind. found it
[03:45] <helpme> hello
[03:45] <helpme> i uninstalled beryl
[03:45] <helpme> and my taskbar is missing
[03:45] <helpme> the part of windows where i can minimize and close the folder/program
[03:45] <helpme> how do i get it back?
[03:46] <ablomen> helpme, try alt+f2 > emerald
[03:46] <ablomen> oh wait sorry
[03:46] <ablomen> you uninstalled (i read it wrong)
[03:46] <helpme> yeah
[03:46] <helpme> the thing is
[03:47] <helpme> beryl messed up my window bar to begin with
[03:47] <helpme> so i cant properly minimize windows
[03:47] <helpme> by uninstalling it i thought xfce would set up its defaults
[03:48] <ablomen> helpme, you could try Settings > window manager and then make changes there (to the style or button layout or whatever)
[03:48] <ablomen> maybe that helps
[03:50] <helpme> terminal said
[03:50] <helpme> windows settings cant open with your current linux settings
[03:50] <helpme> damn
[03:50] <ablomen> hmm ouch
[03:51] <helpme> darn beryl is a disaster
[03:51] <helpme> so many bugs
[03:52] <helpme> oh wait
[03:52] <helpme> no wonder
[03:52] <helpme> emerald was still installed
[03:52] <helpme> werid
[03:52] <helpme> *weird
[03:54] <ablomen> heh ok yeah that's weird
[03:55] <helpme> so if i removed emerald
[03:55] <helpme> xfce will take over with my windows settings once again?
[03:55] <ablomen> i guess so
[03:56] <ablomen> you should remove emerald anyway, so you'll see after that :)
[03:57] <helpme> i just removed it
[03:57] <helpme> problem is still there
[03:57] <helpme> this sucks
[03:57] <ablomen> you loged in and out?
[03:58] <ablomen> (and killed emerald? )
[03:58] <ablomen> s/and/or
[04:00] <helpme> yes
[04:00] <helpme> to no avail
[04:00] <helpme> damn it
[04:00] <helpme> these settings cannot work with your current window manager
[04:00] <ablomen> :/
[04:07] <helpme> how can i bring back window manager settings to default
[04:08] <ablomen> helpme, removing your xfce config files i guess (make a backup!)
[04:09] <helpme> how do i do that?
[04:10] <ablomen> helpme, mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4_backup
[04:11] <ablomen> if you want to restore the backup you just do: mv ~/.config/xfce4_backup ~/.config/xfce4
[04:12] <ablomen> after you moved it just log out and in again
[04:41] <radioaktivstorm> morning and stuff, this is an odd question, but is there a way to get kde/qt type apps to integrate more nicely into the gtk based environments? i like some of the kde apps but i want my apps to not look like a hodgepodge or themes.
[04:43] <ablomen> radioaktivstorm, afaik there's a clearlooks theme for qt..
[04:44] <ablomen> so if you use clearlooks in gtk, that should look pretty nice :)
[04:44] <radioaktivstorm> ablomen sweet! i love clearlooks :D
[04:44] <ablomen> :)
[04:45] <ablomen> kde-style-klearlook - The Klearlook widget style for KDE << i think this is the package, not sure though
[04:47] <ablomen> ah now im sure, it is :)
[04:48] <radioaktivstorm> found it ^^. i just run kcontrol to change to klearlook?
[04:48] <ablomen> i think zo :)
[04:48] <ablomen> *so
[04:48] <ablomen> dont use kde related stuff though :)
[04:49] <ablomen> but it sounds right ;)
[04:50] <radioaktivstorm> lol, yeah....dunno, I cant use kde. it feels too bloated, slow and the context is soo confusing X_X, i must say, the app integration is nice though.
[04:51] <ablomen> :)
[04:51] <ablomen> never liked kde
[04:52] <Jester45> i dont like all the integration
[04:53] <Jester45> why not just have a few apps for settings and not, well you open this so you can open that then you can change the setting
[04:56] <radioaktivstorm> lol, im not saying that i want everything in one place, but i do like how many of the apps recognise that the other exists and can conscript it for added features. while it is nice....i have to say that every time ive tried out kde, i get frustrated.
[04:57] <Jester45> why not just have less apps but bigger ones
[04:57] <Jester45> and have all the features in that one
[04:59] <radioaktivstorm> my personal preference is really fast small apps. im very willing to sacrifice some features if an app does something and does it well :P i think thats what brought me to looking at Xfce
[05:00] <radioaktivstorm> then i saw all the tweaking i could do, and got happy. :D
[05:00] <Jester45> hehe so you might like gentoo+xfce
[05:00] <Jester45> how much tweaking do you like :0
[05:02] <radioaktivstorm> lol! while i like tweaking....im woefully inexperienced. so i try to stick to learning some stuff with the terminal...trying to learn python and doing some web stuff mostly.
[05:03] <Jester45> im being conscripted into web design
[05:04] <radioaktivstorm> really? hows that going? im interested in doing web design, but i need some practice on the graphical end.
[05:04] <Jester45> yea im working on the nongraphical part now
[05:04] <Jester45> vidd.homelinux.net:8080
[05:06] <radioaktivstorm> not bad :D
[05:06] <Jester45> there isnt nothing on there
[05:06] <Jester45> i gotaa get a registration page
[05:08] <radioaktivstorm> i know that. but if you wrote this yourself then you must have command of the coding part. but i guess plain vanilla html isnt so bad. do you hand code or use like nvu or whatever?
[05:08] <Jester45> hand
[05:08] <Jester45> nvu kills things
[05:09] <radioaktivstorm> awesome. i agree. i always feel frustrated because i have some friends that do design stuff and some of them make nice lookign webpages, but know nothing about whats under the hood. i need to work on making nice images and graphics and such.
[05:10] <Jester45> look at the source on that page :)
[05:10] <Jester45> very small
[05:10] <Jester45> clients request
[05:11] <radioaktivstorm> :D and you got the divs to behave with css in Internet Exploder?
[05:11] <Jester45> o wait
[05:11] <Jester45> thats the old page
[05:11] <radioaktivstorm> oh lol
[05:12] <Jester45> wait... o no its not
[05:13] <Jester45> if you download the page you will see i used <?php include ?> on al the sections, each page is only like 15 lines long then the php addes in all real codeing from a external file so the client can edit esiter
[05:13] <Jester45> easier
[05:15] <radioaktivstorm> good approach
[05:16] <radioaktivstorm> i did the same with a site i built for my dad a while back.
[05:16] <radioaktivstorm> he doesnt use it anymore
[05:16] <radioaktivstorm> but its all good :P
[05:17] <radioaktivstorm> php calls are really nice for making things less annoying when you gotta make changes to a lot of pages.
[05:18] <Jester45> i just dont really feel like finishing i
[05:18] <Jester45> tt
[05:20] <radioaktivstorm> lol. i hate it when that happens. i sit there for a long time and make something only to realize after 8 hours that i dont really want to do it anymore.
[05:20] <Jester45> :)
[05:26] <TehRealNexGen> "ctrl alt f1" to access the full screen terminal doesnt seem to work :-(
[05:30] <Jester45> if i set 2 diffrent colors on some text is css the winner or html
[05:35] <Jester45> !opme
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <Jester45> oops sorry
[05:35] <vidd> lol
[05:35] <Jester45> hey vidd
[05:36] <Jester45> wanna opme? in the right channel your bot doesnt know me
[06:09] <TehRealNexGen> hey ive got two kernals sitting in grub after i downloaded another one through synaptic. The latest one works fine but the older one is still sitting there, how do i get rid of it?
[06:09] <gangie> join #xubuntu
[06:09] <Jester45> gangle your in #xubuntu
[06:09] <vidd> you can either go into synaptic and remove it....or remove it via apt-get/aptitude
[06:10] <gangie> sorry new to gaim
[06:11] <TehRealNexGen> er lol what do i search for
[06:14] <gangie> look for linux image whatever the number is you want to ditch I think
[06:14] <vidd> gangie, ya beat me to it =]
[06:15] <gangie> pure chance
[06:16] <Jester45> the gimp is so slow
[06:16] <TehRealNexGen> erm whats the number, i cant be bothered to look at grub again
[06:16] <TehRealNexGen> the default for 7.04
[06:16] <Jester45> the last number is -15
[06:16] <vidd> in synaptic....
[06:17] <vidd> look up linux-image.....
[06:17] <Jester45> and fine the lowest version number?]
[06:17] <gangie> you need to know the code following linux image something like -2.6.20-15 so you need to look in grub agin
[06:18] <TehRealNexGen> ok found it thanx
[06:18] <gangie> vidd one all
[06:18] <vidd> no...he will find two of them in synaptic selected....
[06:18] <TehRealNexGen> yeah i found two, -15 and -16
[06:18] <vidd> he just needs to choose "completely remove" the lowest version number
[06:19] <gangie> yep sorry brain fade your right vidd
[06:19] <vidd> gangie, we all have them
[06:20] <vidd> its when you dont recover from them that you have a problem
[06:20] <gangie> I think I've got a problem then
[06:20] <TehRealNexGen> yep done it rebooting if i dont come back then it didnt work lol
[06:22] <gangie> me bruvver has old laptop with win 98 on I think its about 233meg and 5gig hd  Xubuntu see him right. remembered what I came for now :)
[06:22] <TehRealNexGen> yep it worked
[06:23] <TehRealNexGen> and ctrl alt fn finally works again woot
[06:24] <vidd> cool...what does that do?
[06:24] <Jester45> give you a terminal
[06:24] <Jester45> ttyl
[06:26] <vidd> so its an extra tty?
[06:27] <Jester45> no his was broke
[06:27] <Jester45> i removed the F5 and F6 ones and put 2 xservers there
[06:29] <vidd> Jester45, why would you need 2 extra x servers?
[06:30] <TehRealNexGen> so guys i have another question when i type top or ps-aux in the full screen terminal (not the emulator) the list of the processes goes of the screen, how do i scroll down.
[06:31] <gangie> Dont you have to pipe it thru more?
[06:33] <godless> I'm looking for an app to search for files on my system... something like windows search or the spotlight.. any suggestions?
[06:33] <gangie> search files ? enter   'locate' in a terminal
[06:34] <vidd> gangie, i think godless is looking for a gui tool
[06:34] <TehRealNexGen> catfish
[06:35] <godless> that's the one I was thinking of, thanks
[06:36] <godless> although locate is interesting
[06:36] <godless> had been using find
[06:36] <godless> but I'm trying to search my windows disk actually
[06:36] <godless> and locate doesn't have it indexed... man page open :)
[06:38] <radioaktivstorm> beagle?
[06:38] <radioaktivstorm> oh
[06:38] <gangie> still new to linux hadn't come across Catfish just looked it up
[07:19] <hyper__ch> any economist here?
[07:19] <BFTD> why?
[07:20] <hyper__ch> just curious what an economist would think of an article :)
[07:20] <BFTD> ok
[07:20] <BFTD> link?
[07:20] <Pumpernickel> Which article?
[07:20] <hyper__ch> http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/finance/ip-vs-inflation.php
[07:20] <Kjellviz> is it possible to get xubuntu connected to a wireless network that is running without encryption ?
[07:20] <hyper__ch> Kjellviz: yes
[07:21] <Kjellviz> hyper__ch: ok thanks
[07:21] <Jester45> i think it would be easier
[07:22] <radioaktivstorm> i used teh network-manager tool from when i installed ubuntu proper then had nm-applet run on startup.
[07:22] <Kjellviz> hyper__ch: i cant find "not encrypted" as a choice in the network config, can i just choose WEP and not put in a key ?
[07:22] <hyper__ch> Kjellviz: yes
[07:22] <Kjellviz> hyper__ch: thank again :P
[07:24] <Kjellviz> man i hate being new to a OS ><
[07:24] <Kjellviz> guess ipconfig aint getting me nowhere
[07:24] <hyper__ch> Kjellviz: why not?
[07:24] <hyper__ch> Kjellviz: oh... yes... I remember
[07:25] <j1mc> Kjellviz: try iwconfig
[07:25] <hyper__ch> Kjellviz: how about:   ifconfig     and     iwconfig
[07:25] <Kjellviz> thanks to the both
[07:25] <Kjellviz> of you
[07:26] <j1mc> Kjellviz: i've found this to be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[07:26] <Kjellviz> j1mc: thanks, that was the next one on my search results hehe
[07:29] <hyper_ch> BFTD: Pumpernickel so you are economists?
[07:35] <rothchild> hey all how do I edit my applications menu?
[07:36] <radioaktivstorm> rothchild right click and go to edit menu.
[07:36] <radioaktivstorm> i think
[07:37] <yotamMedini> RightClick -> Settings -> Menu Editor
[07:37] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: Nope, I'm just this guy, see.
[07:37] <rothchild> radioaktivestorm I can't see any of my apps in that menu?
[07:38] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: what guy?
[07:39] <radioaktivstorm> ah, if your editing individual apps it looks like you have to edit the xml
[07:40] <radioaktivstorm> rothchild http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421973&highlight=Customize+Xfce
[07:42] <yotamMedini> How can I save desktop configuration (for next login) without logging out ?
[07:43] <radioaktivstorm> yotanMedini settings> sessions and start up
[07:43] <radioaktivstorm> should have autosave session on logout
[07:44] <rothchild> thanks radioaktivstorm
[07:44] <radioaktivstorm> np rothchild ^^
[07:44] <radioaktivstorm> dunno if thats what your looking for though yotamMedini
[07:45] <Kjellviz> im getting a lot of failed on translation-sv_SE in my add/remove
[07:45] <Kjellviz> which means i cant install stuff =(
[07:45] <rothchild> wow that's a pain in the a$$ just to edit a menu
[07:45] <yotamMedini> no - sorry. For example, I add item to panel. It is not saved unless I logout and ask to save.
[07:48] <radioaktivstorm> yotamMedini, you mean it does not preserve your panel like immediately ? hmm....i dont think ive encountered that before. if its the positioning of icons and stuff, you may need to place spacers to keep things from jumping around in the xfce4-panel
[07:48] <Kjellviz> it complains that it cannot download, and suggests that the repo is down, but i can surf the repo in firefox
[07:49] <yotamMedini> If I add an item to panel, and computer shuts due to power-failure, next login, I do not have the item in the panel
[07:50] <yotamMedini> If I logout cleanly - and check the save-for-next-session then item added are respected.
[07:51] <radioaktivstorm> hmm....not sure what to do about that, but i guess you may have to logout real fast and preserve it that way. not sure. :(
[07:51] <yotamMedini> Not a big problem.
[07:53] <yotamMedini> For multi desktop login, say me and my son. Only the first login gets the sound device. Can it (the sound device)  be given to the currernt active desktop ?
[08:00] <radioaktivstorm> ive never encountered that problem before (i only have one account) umm try #ubuntu. ill look around the web and see if i find something
[08:02] <lusum> hi
[08:02] <lusum> i have a problem
[08:02] <lusum> mouse don't work after clicking alt or ctrl
[08:02] <lusum> i cannot open main menu
[08:03] <lusum> it seem disabled click left
[08:03] <lusum> someone know why?
[08:03] <radioaktivstorm> are you using a usb mouse? and did you just plug it in?
[08:03] <lusum> qemu virtual machine
[08:04] <lusum> radioaktivstorm: all worked very well, i use a shortcut similar to ctrl alt and begin the problem
[08:05] <vidd> lusum, that is because qemu uses the alt key to "escape" out of the qemu'd environment
[08:05] <vidd> just click anywere inside the qemu area and you mouse will come back
[08:05] <lusum> vidd: yes i know
[08:05] <lusum> vidd: this is not this problem
[08:06] <Kjellviz> whats usually best to use out of win95 and winnt drivers when using ndiswrapper ?
[08:06] <lusum> vidd: clicking on start menu
[08:06] <lusum> vidd: i cannot use it
[08:06] <vidd> start menu INSIDE qemu, or outside qemu?
[08:06] <lusum> vidd: inside
[08:06] <vidd> hrm....
[08:06] <vidd> what is running inside?
[08:07] <lusum> xubuntu running on qemu
[08:07] <lusum> vidd: is not a big problem
[08:07] <vidd> on a windows machine or a linux machine?
[08:07] <lusum> vidd: is a shortcut activated
[08:07] <lusum> vidd: on a linux machine ( kubuntu )
[08:08] <vidd> are you able to click and open anything else in your qemu'd environment?
[08:08] <lusum> vidd: lauch xterm yes
[08:08] <lusum> vidd: keyboard don't work no more
[08:08] <vidd> it COULD be that your apllication menu needs to be restatred
[08:09] <lusum> vidd: i restart virtual machine
[08:09] <lusum> vidd: i hoped in a resolutive shortcut :)
[08:10] <lusum> vidd: thanks
[08:11] <Merchelo> I like my new wallpaper, http://losers.yore.ma/~merchelo/bosd.gif
[08:12] <radioaktivstorm> lol
[08:16] <vidd> *WAVE*  maxamillion
[08:16] <maxamillion> hiya vidd
[08:17] <vidd> i killed my server =[
[08:17] <maxamillion> ouch
[08:34] <test3r> hey does ne1 run ne apache sites that has used a link auditing system thats Reading This Right Now?
[08:35] <maxamillion> test3r: not i
[08:35] <ompaul> !U
[08:35] <ubotu> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[08:36] <maxamillion> heh ... that's somewhat funny
[08:37] <bordy> heyo folks: Any ideas why my thinkpad 600 running xubuntu wouldnt be able to connect to teh wifi, even after it recognizes the fact that my linksys pcmcia card is in there?
[08:38] <maxamillion> bordy: what is the model of the linksys card?
[08:39] <bordy> maxamillion: WPC54G ver3
[08:41] <maxamillion> bordy: ok, just a moment
[08:41] <bordy> ugh, may have to do that fwcutter nonsense from what I am seeing. lol
[08:41] <vidd> bordy, its not all that hard
[08:42] <radioaktivstorm> oh gosh. fwcutter. i had fun with that one. X_x fwcutter is not that bad, but it helps if you know that your net is using WEP without a password. heh
[08:42] <maxamillion> bordy: yeah, fwcutter has gotten easier as time has gone on
[08:43] <iv1> how can I connect to a server such as \\Lbesrv\public\Semaine_ENAC\PHOTOS  ?
[08:43] <maxamillion> radioaktivstorm: you can't use WEP without a password
[08:43] <maxamillion> iv1: what server protocol?
[08:44] <iv1> I'm sorry, what's a server protocol?
[08:44] <Jester45> ftp, http, gopher, etc
[08:44] <radioaktivstorm> maxamillion, i set it as wep ascii 128 bit, no pass and it let me on. ask mit....who knows why they do that. i spent a whole day figuring that out. T_T
[08:45] <radioaktivstorm> i think they take your mac address, and then do some crazy magic and stuff.
[08:45] <iv1> hmm... I don't have the information about the serverprotocol.
[08:45] <maxamillion> radioaktivstorm: i just don't see how you can call it WEP without a password ... but oh well
[08:46] <maxamillion> iv1: do you normally connect to that server under windows like that?
[08:46] <radioaktivstorm> i have no idea.....i was just happy it worked lol :P
[08:47] <iv1> well actually, a professor at university wants us to put some documents on this server. the other students with windows can connect without problems, but I don't know how they do it.
[08:48] <maxamillion> bordy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/LinksysWPC54G?highlight=%28wpc54g%29
[08:48] <maxamillion> iv1: yeah, you need to connect to it as a samba share .... this could get messy
[08:48] <maxamillion> radioaktivstorm: fair enough :P
[08:49] <bordy> maxamillion: yeah, thats what I saw too. guess I gotta bite the bullet ;)
[08:49] <iv1> maxamillion: do you know how to proceed?
[08:49] <bordy> thanks for the help
[08:50] <maxamillion> bordy: anytime ... good luck! :)
[08:50] <maxamillion> iv1: just a moment, let me get you a link
[08:50] <iv1> maxamillion: thank you
[09:00] <maxamillion> iv1: do you use only xubuntu or do you by any chance have a mix with other desktop evironments? ... because this is very easy with either gnome or kde because their file managers have samba support built in (something thunar is still working on)
[09:02] <maxamillion> iv1: here is a tutorial on how to do it without the need of gnome or kde: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComprehensiveSambaGuide
[09:04] <iv1> I only use xubuntu, but don't gnome or kde applications work as well on xubuntu? I have for example knetworkmanager or kpowersave etc
[09:06] <iv1> maxamillion: okay, I think I understood... then I have to follow the instruction on the link you gave me. thank you very much
[09:08] <radioaktivstorm> iv1: you can use kde and gnome apps in xubuntu if you want.... i dont know how well  how nautilus works as standalone or if it can....i have gnome and xfce installed. maybe konqueror? although it does some really wierd junk to the default apps sometimes ._. i dont know if dolphin has the samba stuff included more research?
[09:11] <maxamillion> iv1: well, if you don't mind the extra hard drive space you can install nautilus and use it for samba shares (i do this at work because i am the only linux user so i have to interface with alot of windows servers) and it works pretty well
[09:28] <iv1> maxamillion: I could not configure samba yet. I have to try later because I have to do some work for university now. thank you very much for your help.
[09:29] <maxamillion> iv1: anytime :)
[09:51] <skarevoluti> hi
[09:52] <skarevoluti> someone could help me with the auto mount of the cds
[09:52] <maxamillion> hello
[09:52] <maxamillion> skarevoluti: what's the issue?
[09:52] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I guess he can't auto-mount cds ;)
[09:53] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: it might also be an lack of clarity that audio cds aren't meant to be mounted ;)
[09:53] <skarevoluti> always appear the popup "Failed to eject cd"
[09:53] <skarevoluti> when i eject
[09:53] <maxamillion> skarevoluti: when you click the button on the cd-rom drive?
[09:53] <skarevoluti> nop
[09:53] <maxamillion> skarevoluti: when you right click and eject?
[09:54] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: lol
[09:54] <skarevoluti> i dont speak english very well :-$
[09:54] <hyper_ch> what do you speak then?
[09:55] <skarevoluti> spanish
[09:55] <skarevoluti> when I insert the cd appear a popup that say: the volume can't be mounted
[09:55] <maxamillion> skarevoluti: is it an audio or music cd?
[09:55] <kalikiana> Audio CD's can't be mounted.
[09:55] <maxamillion> kalikiana: i know
[09:55] <skarevoluti> data cd
[09:55] <maxamillion> oh
[09:55] <maxamillion> ok
[09:56] <hyper_ch> skarevoluti: there are also spanish channels... but I don't know if there is anyone in #xubuntu-es
[09:56] <maxamillion> bah!!! i just realized what time it is, i gotta go to work
[09:56] <maxamillion> laters
[09:57] <skarevoluti> ok, thanks!
[09:57] <hyper_ch> skarevoluti: can't help you... for me it works
[09:58] <skarevoluti> when you insert the cd into the drive nothing happen??
[09:58] <skarevoluti> :-$
[09:58] <skarevoluti> when i insert it appears that popup
[09:59] <hyper_ch> I dunno... haven't used any cd for a looong time
[10:00] <hyper_ch> they are all on my harddisk as .iso
[10:00] <skarevoluti> jaja
[10:00] <skarevoluti> that's cool!
[10:00] <hyper_ch> makes the use of them much simpler :)
[10:00] <hyper_ch> but then, let me try one
[10:01] <skarevoluti> ok, thanks
[10:01] <hyper_ch> yes, it auto-mounts and open a thunar-window and display its content
[10:02] <skarevoluti> yes
[10:02] <radioaktivstorm> while we are on the topic, does anyone have any idea why both nautius and thunar both open on automount when i plug in my usb stick?
[10:03] <skarevoluti> without a window?
[10:03] <skarevoluti> yes
[10:03] <skarevoluti> go to configuration
[10:03] <hyper_ch> hmmm, upon eject a notice appeared... that it has some problmes.. then KIO did unmount the cd and ejected it
[10:03] <skarevoluti> configuration admin
[10:03] <hyper_ch> skarevoluti: so everthing seems to work fine for me
[10:04] <skarevoluti> hyper_ch yeah, when I eject the cd another window appear
[10:04] <skarevoluti> Failed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_NC000000Q0".
[10:04] <skarevoluti> Given device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_NC000000Q0" is not a volume or drive.
[10:05] <skarevoluti> ant finally the cd eject
[10:09] <skarevoluti> umm is a bug
[10:09] <skarevoluti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/94416
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94416 in Ubuntu "failure to eject cdrom using button" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:09] <skarevoluti> yeah
[10:09] <skarevoluti> !
[10:09] <skarevoluti> :(
[10:11] <hyper_ch> skarevoluti: also add your bugreport there
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> thats pretty common
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> I just right click and eject
[10:13] <skarevoluti> ok hyper_ch thanks! you are so kind
[10:13] <hyper_ch> skarevoluti: nah, I'm not ;)
[10:15] <skarevoluti> i like (x-k-edu)Ubuntu because the community is the better!
[10:15] <skarevoluti> many thanks
[10:15] <hyper_ch> skarevoluti: you're welcome
[11:31] <Deviad> Does anyone use Lyx in here?
[11:36] <BFTD> Lynx you mean?
[11:36] <BFTD> oo.h
[11:36] <BFTD> I've never even heard of it
[11:36] <BFTD> ! info lyx
[11:36] <ubotu> lyx: High Level Word Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 400 kB, installed size 1088 kB
[11:36] <BFTD> interesting
[11:38] <Deviad> BFTD, no. lyx
[11:38] <BFTD> yeah
[11:38] <BFTD> looks cool
[11:39] <maxamillion> Deviad: i used it once a long time ago ... seems like a solid latex editor
[11:40] <Deviad> maxamillion, I can't get \thispagestyle{empty} to work
[11:40] <maxamillion> Deviad: i probably wouldn't be of much help, its been quite some time since i even looked at it .... abiword has spoiled me
[11:41] <Deviad> abiword looks like shit :(
[11:41] <Deviad> openoffice is not any better
[11:42] <maxamillion> !language Deviad
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language deviad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <maxamillion> bleh
[11:42] <maxamillion> nvm
[11:42] <maxamillion> Deviad: abiword works for my uses, i don't really do much but type school papers
[11:46] <grazie> hi maxamillion...sorted the broadband then?
[11:46] <maxamillion> grazie: yes and no, i have net at the house but i am at work right now
[11:47] <maxamillion> grazie: and my net at home is uber slow, but it was the best i could do so i will survive
[11:49] <grazie> maxamillion: know how that feels. It's 1 step forward then 2 steps back here too...c'est la vie
[11:49] <maxamillion> grazie: yup, story of my life
[11:50] <crimeboy> someone can tell me whats package is xfce4-theme-manager ?
[11:51] <maxamillion> !info xfce4-theme-manager
[11:51] <ubotu> Package xfce4-theme-manager does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:51] <maxamillion> crimeboy: there isn't one
[11:52] <crimeboy> maxamillion: what the app to change gtk themes on xfce?
[11:53] <maxamillion> crimeboy: not entirely sure what its called, but its in the settings manager
[11:53] <grazie> User Interface Settings
[11:55] <grazie> download your new theme and extract to ~/.themes then select it with the above
[11:55] <crimeboy> i dont have xfce
[11:56] <grazie> ??
[11:56] <crimeboy> i make this extrac direclty on /usr/share/themes/
[11:57] <grazie> ok...that's fine too
[12:17] <test3r> WHy dos emachines crap box have an INTEL GRAPHICS that will not work  =( I have gotten X to come up once off live cd for about 15min then I get the colorpattern of death. Any thoughts? the box doesnt like the only PCI graphics card Ive tried in it, too.
[12:18] <test3r> the intel one is the onboard one.  yes- i diabled that in BIOS when testing the new insterted pci card
[12:19] <test3r> im about to try a del box now with a diff INTEL graphics in it- the 910. i have already saw that things has issues - i hope i read the wrong model number
[12:20] <test3r> why the heck wont the intel chips take VESA? that is pathetic.
[12:21] <test3r> intel crapped on a board and called it a graphics card. ^ ^
[12:21] <vidd> test3r, if intel did that...it would be a marked improvement
[12:22] <test3r> isay-godDaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn i think ur right.
[12:23] <test3r> im thinkin that emachines box might get slakt
[12:23] <test3r> if i cant get xorg configd correctly
[12:24] <test3r> its already got XP on it tho. and i cant get GParted up to resize the XP partititon kus of that intel graphics
[12:24] <test3r> and normal tux fdisk doesnt have resize option that EYE found
[12:24] <test3r> theres prob a way but i bet its ugly
[12:24] <test3r> =\
[12:25] <maxamillion> !language | test3r
[12:25] <ubotu> test3r: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:25] <test3r> sorry man- what did i say????   (looks thru above)
[12:26] <test3r> besides,er,,,,,   OK OK i guess thats still a bad thing to say
[12:26] <test3r> my bad
[12:26] <maxamillion> test3r: no worries


[05:32] <Malsasa1> Hello, I am a new Xubuntu user. Big thanks to Xubuntu developers!
[15:54] <ggz> hi
[15:55] <ggz> is it possible that i have installed xubuntu and /etc/lsb-release say ubuntu ?
[15:55] <pleia2> yes, that's normal
[15:59] <ggz> pleia2: how can i be sure i'm on xubuntu ?
[16:00] <diogenes_> ggz, maybe try neofetch
[16:04] <ggz> neofetch tell the same thing than /etc/lsb-release and /etc/apt/sources.list : i'm on ubuntu 18.04
[16:04] <pleia2> ggz: the difference between flavors is really just package-sets, and you can have multiple alongside each other (effectively meaning you could technically have xubuntu and kubuntu, and ubuntu...), so it gets kind of nebulous when talking about which you "have"
[16:05] <pleia2> but if you have the xubuntu-desktop package and are using xfce, I'd say you're "on xubuntu"
[16:05] <pleia2> $ dpkg -l | grep xubuntu-desktop
[16:05] <ggz> pleia2: ok so the source.list is the same as ubuntu ?
[16:05] <pleia2> yes
[16:06] <ggz> ok i didn't understood that, thank you =)
[16:06] <pleia2> you're welcome :)
[16:06] <ggz> i ask this because some channel refuse to take support for xubuntu, only for ubuntu
[16:08] <pleia2> yeah, the default user interface and applications are often different, so everything from "how to add a printer" to "how to play an mp3" will have different default answers
[16:08] <pleia2> someone familiar with Ubuntu support, won't know what default app Xubuntu has for playing music
[16:08] <ggz> but maybe you can help me with my real problem : since upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04, my external screen is no longer ON when booting, i need to go to display setting at each boot
[16:09] <pleia2> I've never seen that problem, but hopefully someone here can help :)
[16:10] <ggz> ok maybe you have seen my second problem : since upgrading, when i close the lid of my laptop, the external screen shut down (i guess because laptop goes to sleep)
[16:11] <ggz> i have no longer to option to "do nothing" when lid is closed on xfce settings
[16:12] <ggz> or maybe i don't remember well, anyway i also modified the option in /etc/systemd/logind.conf but this has no effect
[16:13] <pleia2> what method are you using to connect the laptop to the monitor? It behaves as I'd expect (sleep when not plugged in, just turn off screen when plugged in to screen) when I'm connected over hdmi
[16:13] <ggz> hdmi
[16:14] <pleia2> hm, unfortunately I don't have laptop system handy to check what my settings are
[16:14] <pleia2> and I need to head out for a bit anyway, sorry!
[16:16] <ggz> also when i unplug my external monitor, both external and internal screen are shut off (the only thing i can do is go to system console and kill X from there). When i plug it back, only the external is turned on
[16:16] <ggz> no problem, bye
[16:17] <ggz> since you have no problem, i guess i'm unlucky and found a hidden bug
[16:49] <ggz> lol i tried with unity, and the display setting is high on drugs, both screen goes on and off randomly when trying to changes things
[16:49] <ggz> finally i am happy with the display settings of xfce :p
[17:08] <griphook> Hi everybody
[18:57] <ggz> hi, fwiw my screen problems was my fault, i was still on the old kernel, now everything work as 16.04
[18:58] <mauQc> When a user attaches a USB key, how do I make Thunar automount the USB with read and write permissions for that user (non-root)? Presently, it is automounting as read only. Basically, I need users to be able to plug-in their USB key and “drag and drop” files from a local folder into their USB key. The user's USB key is not necessarily always the same. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you
[19:02] <diogenes_> mauQc, by default they are mounted as read write
[19:06] <mauQc> for some reason that is not the case right now. In thunar, I can right click, select send to 'USB key' but I cannot drag and drop files to it.
[19:06] <diogenes_> mauQc, killall thunar and start thunar again
[19:09] <mauQc> I killed everything including the deamon and nothing changed
[19:10] <diogenes_> mauQc, then try: rm -r ~/.config/Thunar
[19:17] <mauQc> Nothing. When I see the items inside my USB key they all have a lock item on them.
[19:19] <diogenes_> mauQc, then try to re-format the usb
[19:50] <mauQc> I don't think it's the usb because I've tried 3 different ones. Could it be a NTFS vs FAT problem? This is what mount returns: /dev/sdc1 on /media/test1/Xubuntu 18.04.1 LTS amd64 type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,nojoliet,check=s,map=n,blocksize=2048,uid=1002,gid=1002,dmode=500,fmode=400,uhelper=udisks2)


[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:01] <dholbach> hi dpm
[08:02] <dpm> morning dholbach
[08:03] <dpm> dholbach, ah, forgot to ask yesterday, how did the birthday party go?
[08:04] <dholbach> it was good fun - we kicked out the last folks at half past four and it looked like none of the neighbours really noticed much, so I probably shouldn't have turned the music down as much as I did :-P
[08:05] <dpm> :-)
[08:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:32] <elfy> morning czajkowski - welcome back to the sensible timezone :p
[09:06] <czajkowski> I'm back and smothered and bronchitis with a non working boiler
[09:06] <czajkowski> belugh
[09:14] <silverlion> czajkowski, hey there good to have you back ;)
[09:14] <dholbach> czajkowski, bah - poor you... I hope you're better soon again
[09:14] <silverlion> dholbach, morning
[09:14] <dholbach> hi silverlion
[09:24] <czajkowski> dholbach: joys of working from home you still work :)
[09:46]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[10:09] <silverlion> wb dholbach
[10:09] <dholbach> :)
[10:09] <dholbach> it was hard to get lost on the way :)
[10:10] <silverlion> how did you manage to do that? aren't you supposed to know your way to the office?
[10:10] <silverlion> or aren't you working from home (canonical stuff)?
[14:47] <mhall119> nah, dholbach is a hippy who likes things like "human interaction"
[14:49] <dholbach> not really...
[14:49] <dholbach> :-P
[15:16] <mhall119> jose: can you re-post http://mhall119.com/2015/01/ubuntu-loco-team-global-jam-packs/ to the Fridge?
[16:55] <pleia2> mhall119: on it
[16:57] <mhall119> thanks pleia2
[16:58] <pleia2> so, I asked last week but I think it was too late in the day, we had a guy who wanted to come out to our Ubuntu Hour to ask about OIL (and how to convince his manager to become part of it), who can I point him to?
[16:58] <pleia2> works for a Big Company
[16:59] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again!
[16:59] <dholbach> pleia2, kirkland? jcastro?
[16:59] <jcastro> yo
[17:00] <dholbach> hugs - see you!
[17:00] <jcastro> pleia2, send him to me directly and I can ensure he gets the right response
[17:00] <pleia2> thanks
[17:00] <pleia2> jcastro: great, thank you :)
[17:00] <jcastro> OIL @ Ubuntu Hour? Man, that's awesome
[17:00] <jcastro> usually I end up fixing people's broadcom wireless everywhere I go. :-/
[17:02] <pleia2> sadly he didn't actually come, I think he was disappointed that no Canonical contacts would be there
[17:08] <jcastro> is he in the area?
[17:08] <jcastro> oh, nm, scale is in LA isn't it
[17:10] <pleia2> yeah, far away :)
[17:13] <jcastro> popey, ping
[17:13] <popey> jcastro: pong
[17:13] <jcastro> popey, so over the weekend I played with bcache
[17:13] <popey> uhhuh
[17:14] <jcastro> 125% recommended
[17:14] <jcastro> so I had one 240GB SSD
[17:15] <popey> interesting
[17:15] <jcastro> so did
[17:15] <jcastro> 20GB /, 220ish for cache, backed by a 1TB spinning disk
[17:15] <jcastro> then mounted the 220GB/1TB as one "1TB" drive for /home
[17:16] <popey> neat
[17:16] <popey> I destroyed my btrfs volume at the weekend
[17:16] <popey> lost all my backups and other stuff
[17:16] <jcastro> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:16] <popey> yeah
[17:16] <jcastro> wtf happened?
[17:16] <popey> was getting corrupted by the array i believe
[17:17] <popey> dodgy external array box thing
[17:17] <jcastro> ugh man, sorry, condolences
[17:17] <popey> now decommissioned and replaced with a different one
[17:17] <popey> yeah :(
[17:17] <popey> however, I now have 2x 4 way volumes instead
[17:17] <jcastro> that being said I am doing an rsync->jbod array in another desktop just in case
[17:17] <popey> which makes a bit more sense
[17:17] <popey> one array for backups of my servers, laptop, desktop and (lol) my phone :)
[17:18] <popey> the other array for data I can easily re-download / replace
[17:18] <jcastro> oh and you'd dig this
[17:18] <popey> it's quite fun doing an rsnapshot backup of my phone over ssh
[17:18] <jcastro> I manage updates on the machine with Landscape
[17:18] <popey> me too :)
[17:18] <jcastro> so like, game console managed with landscape = lol
[17:18] <popey> haha
[17:18] <jcastro> does syncthing work on the phone?
[17:18] <popey> yeah, i wanna build a steam box
[17:18] <popey> yes and no
[17:18] <jcastro> it is a fun hobby
[17:18] <popey> he has an armhf build but it doesn't run in the background
[17:19] <jcastro> I just got a projector, I am finishing my basement so I'm going to move the box down there ftw.
[17:19] <popey> nice
[18:19] <pleia2> marcoceppi_: see you at fosdem \o/ (I'm speaking later in the day in the config mgmt track)
[18:20] <marcoceppi_> pleia2: I would love to be there, but I'm not able to because of conflicting travel - lazyPower is going to be there though to cover the talks instead!
[18:21] <pleia2> aw :(
[18:21] <pleia2> but I don't think I've met him yet, I shall go bug him
[18:24] <popey> \o/ FOSDEM
[18:24]  * popey is also going
[18:24] <pleia2> yay :) czajkowski will be there too
[18:25] <popey> yeah, I'm sat next to her on the Eurostar :D
[18:26] <pleia2> hi czajkowski!
[18:26] <pleia2> cool
[18:26] <popey> (on the way to fosdem, not right now) :)
[18:26] <pleia2> got that, eventually
[18:26] <popey> :D
[18:26] <pleia2> I'm taking a lousy american carrier airplane, had hoped to upgrade with miles for the redeye but apparently that's impossible
[18:27] <pleia2> (on paper it's possible, but no seats ever available)
[18:29] <marcoceppi_> oh man, all these awesome people going :( hopefully next year!
[20:41] <mhall119> marcoceppi_: you're going to Scale though right?
[20:41] <marcoceppi_> mhall119: yup, jcastro, jose and I will be there amoung others
[20:41] <mhall119> marcoceppi_: me too :)
[20:41] <marcoceppi_> \o/
[20:44] <pleia2> that's the one I'm missing this year, sad sad
[20:48] <czajkowski> I may be going to SCALE !
[20:48] <czajkowski> I am going to OSCON though
[20:48] <czajkowski> :p
[20:54] <jcastro> pleia2, oh no!
[20:58] <pleia2> jcastro: I'm not actually that sad, I'm giving a keynote at a university in Oman that week
[20:58] <pleia2> missing scale is unfortunate, but Oman :D
[20:58] <elfy> warmish ...
[20:58] <pleia2> elfy: thank goodness for winter, won't die
[20:59] <jcastro> pleia2, yeah but I was bringing my wife this year
[20:59] <jcastro> and my brother
[20:59] <pleia2> jcastro: aw
[20:59] <jcastro> and we were going to like, sit in the audience and heckle bacon
[20:59] <jcastro> and like throw things at aq
[20:59] <pleia2> haha
[21:22] <elfy> hi belkinsa :)
[21:26] <mhall119> jcastro: oh, sign me up for heckling
[21:45] <jose> czajkowski: at scale too?!
[21:45] <czajkowski> yup
[21:45] <czajkowski> although I may have a clashing other event to be at but in theory I am
[21:50] <mhall119> czajkowski: \o/
[21:54] <knome> mhall119, for the planet.ubuntu.com code: .entry-content img { max-width: 100%; height: auto; }
[21:55] <mhall119> knome: thanks for the reminder, someone was supposed to make a Launchpad project for that code
[21:55] <mhall119> I'll check in with them in the morning
[21:56] <knome> can do MP's for *lots* of things if somebody promises to review them
[21:56] <mhall119> knome: anthony dillon I think is your guy for that
[21:57] <knome> mhall119, he had one of my age-old (think: years) bugs assigned to him for a long time, then lately removed himself from the assignee field
[21:57] <knome> so, i'm not trusting on that one
[21:57] <mhall119> knome: be patient, those guys get bounced around a lot
[21:57] <knome> patient? i waited for several years for a one-liner CSS
[21:57] <knome> that's always the same answer...
[21:58] <mhall119> what project was that?
[21:58] <knome> probably the wiki
[21:58] <mhall119> oh, I don't know if they handle the wiki anymore
[21:58] <knome> apparently not.
[21:59] <knome> but this isn't an encouraging path
[21:59] <mhall119> knome: anyway, they've agreed that there needs to be a project on LP where people can submit MPs, we had a meeting on Friday about that
[21:59] <pleia2> mhall119: thanks, I appreciate that it's being discussed
[22:00] <knome> i appreciate that too, but i don't believe anything until that's set up and relatively speedy response/push-to-production times are proven
[22:01] <mhall119> knome: push to production is going to have to go through IS, same as sites like summit and ltp
[22:01] <knome> mhall119, i understand that and am doing that with other community sites, for which the process is working relatively well currently
[22:01] <knome> that hasn't been the bottleneck with this one
[22:02] <knome> well, it might have been that some years ago... but currently, i don't think that's it.
[22:02] <mhall119> knome: we will get this one running in a better way
[22:02]  * knome has waited since 2008
[22:02] <mhall119> then what's one more week?
[22:03] <knome> that's a great attitude, ten points to it ;)
[22:03] <knome> no, i understand
[22:03] <knome> but i won't believe the process is working until it is
[22:04] <mhall119> fair enough
[22:04] <knome> something i've learned in 6 years and many, many promises
[22:04] <knome> consider if a one-liner fix was available was available for a package in the repository
[22:04]  * mhall119 has too many unfinished work items and bug assignments to criticize anybody else
[22:04] <knome> it wouldn't take several years to land that even if there were bottlenecks and people changing
[22:05] <knome> well who doesn't, especially in the community side...
[22:06] <knome> mhall119, so anyway, if you're looking at it...
[22:06] <knome> mhall119, please make sure there are branches for planet.ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com and even pad.ubuntu.com available
[22:06] <mhall119> knome: I've only looked into planet so far
[22:06] <knome> the pad chat is broken; if there are enough messages to fill the chat vertically, the last line will not be completely visible
[22:06] <mhall119> cjohnston might have something for pad.ubuntu.com
[22:06] <knome> it's a one-liner fix as well
[22:09] <cjohnston> IIRC etherpad is either a package or from github
[22:10] <knome> i wonder why other etherpad instances i've used do not have the same bug though :)
[22:10] <knome> must be some black magic going on in *.ubuntu.com
[22:10] <cjohnston> the version it's using maybe?
[22:10] <cjohnston> I don't know
[22:11] <knome> maybe...
[22:11] <cjohnston> etherpad vs etherpad-lite?
[22:11] <mhall119> it's probably a fairly old version
[22:11] <knome> yeah, don't get me started on old versions
[22:12] <mhall119> knome: write a charm and mojo spec for it, and you'll be able to keep it up to date easily :)
[22:12] <knome> i can't do that.
[22:12] <knome> but i can write CSS, and i have done so
[22:12] <knome> i'd just hope there was a way to input my fixes to the community sites so i could stop using personal customizations