[07:22] <dpm> good morning all
[07:28] <jussi> o/ dpm
[07:32] <AlanBell> guten morgen
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39]  * AlanBell is in Berlin
[07:46] <dholbach> nice
[07:46] <dholbach> what are you doing there?
[07:54] <AlanBell> in the Bundesministerium fur Wirtschaft und Technologyie
[07:55] <AlanBell> http://www.odfplugfest.de/
[07:56] <dholbach> oh wow, nice
[07:56] <kim0> Morning all
[07:56] <AlanBell> dholbach: it says "ubuntu" on my namebadge
[07:57] <dholbach> صباح الخير
[07:57] <kim0> :)
[07:57] <AlanBell> I registered with my @ubuntu.com email address
[07:57] <dholbach> so if you had registered with @gmail.com you'd probably have a "Google" namebadge :)
[08:51] <czajkowski> ALOHA
[09:27] <nigelb> dholbach: heh
[09:27]  * nigelb waves to AlanBell
[09:27] <nigelb> Morning dpm, jussi, dholbach & kim0
[09:27]  * kim0 waves back
[09:30] <AlanBell> o/
[09:43] <dpm> hi nigelb and all
[14:10] <jcastro> kim0: any luck on the BT indicator?
[14:10] <jcastro> did you run the bluetooth control applet thing?
[14:10] <jcastro> maybe there's a checkbox
[14:11] <kim0> um didn't find anything..  I'm off next week, so may not be online all the time. see you soon
[16:04] <popey> I'd backup first
[16:04] <popey> (before the party)
[16:04] <kim0|backup> Yeah I'll probably do that as well
[16:04]  * kim0|backup waves
[18:16] <paultag> doctormo: hey man, around>
[18:19] <paultag> doctormo: I need some help
[18:26] <paultag> pretty please?
[18:27] <pleia2> paultag: I found the receipt from our lunch back in november yesterday <3 (apparently I don't wash my clothes)
[18:27] <paultag> pleia2: awwwwwwww!!!
[18:27] <paultag> pleia2: that was fun :)
[18:27] <pleia2> Lowell, MA represent!
[18:27] <pleia2> yeah :)
[18:29] <paultag> pleia2: shame I could not make it out to CA :)
[18:29] <pleia2> and when you did I couldn't talk
[18:29] <paultag> pleia2: quite alright :)
[18:34] <paultag> doctormoooooo: I need some python love
[18:34] <paultag> I can't write setup.py files :(
[18:44] <jono> jcastro, do you have flash installed?
[18:44] <jcastro> yeah
[18:44] <jono> jcastro, could you U1 the .deb?
[18:44] <jono> I can't seem to get it from the Adobe site
[18:44] <jcastro> the deb just pulls from adobe
[18:44] <jono> Software Center won't install it
[18:44] <jono> I want to install it with dpkg
[18:44] <paultag> jono: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[18:45] <paultag> jono: you can give it a -d
[18:45] <paultag> doctormo: that will download the .deb
[18:45] <paultag> or --download-only, can't remember
[18:45] <jcastro> jorge@lowgirl:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer --reinstall
[18:45] <jcastro> do that
[18:45] <jcastro> that;ll force it to snag it from adobe
[18:46] <jono> sweet, thanks!
[18:48] <jcastro> jono: also, oneiric pro tip, put the update manager on your launcher, then when you're updating everyday it has nice download progress integration and all that, it's <3
[18:48] <jcastro> for some reason emblems make me happy
[18:49] <jono> jcastro, sweet
[18:56] <popey> niiice!
[18:57] <popey> I am planning to install oneiric on my desktop one day soon
[18:57] <popey> actually, if I have a sata cable I can tonight
[18:57]  * popey rummages in the box-o-cables
[19:01] <paultag> doctormo: doctormo doctormo doctormo
[19:10] <popey> Nice looking through pleia2's engagement photos on flickr
[19:10] <popey> although I am insanely jealous of pleia2  living in SF
[19:10] <pleia2> sometimes I'm jealous of myself when I forget that I'm myself, it's a magical beautiful place
[19:11] <pleia2> my fiance tells me we'll need to move some day when we have kids, but I pay him no mind :)
[19:17] <czajkowski> pleia2: so weid to see MJ referred to as fiance
[19:17] <czajkowski> *weird
[19:17] <pleia2> czajkowski: sure is!
[19:17] <czajkowski> pleia2: he did an amazing job of proposing!
[19:17] <czajkowski> nice blog post also, from both sides of it
[19:18] <pleia2> I didn't know he had it in him ;) secret romantic he is
[19:22] <popey> :D
[20:11] <jcastro> pleia2: your page is awesome, we're kicking ourselves for not documenting our process so meticulously
[20:14] <pleia2> jcastro: thanks :) I document everything and his idea to have a photographer there created the perfect opportunity
[20:22] <nigelb> jono: you sent a T-shirt to yourself? :P
[20:22] <jono> nigelb, nope, seriously, it just randomly arrived
[20:23] <nigelb> jono: I was pulling that one on "Chief Bacon Officer" :)
[20:23] <jono> nigelb, that's on his business card
[20:23] <jcastro> CBO!
[20:23] <nigelb> jono: ah!
[20:24] <jono> uploading it to FB
[20:26] <nigelb> jono: FB is sooo old. Use g+! :P
[20:27] <jono> bah o G+
[20:42] <nigelb> jono: when is cloud day?
[20:50] <jcastro> next monday
[20:51] <nigelb> cool
[21:49] <jono> jcastro, ping?
[21:49] <jcastro> jono: pong
[21:50] <jono> jcastro, http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/ needs a fresh deadline
[21:50] <jcastro> sure, what'd you set as the deadline
[21:51] <jono> jcastro, let's say Aug 24th
[21:51] <jono> which is a Wed
[21:51] <jono> I am pointing people to that page, btw
[21:54] <jcastro> jono: ok refresh
[21:54] <jcastro> http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/
[21:55] <jcastro> I made it a button
[21:56] <jono> thanks jcastro
[21:56] <jono> a button?
[21:56] <jcastro> also I don't know if you saw the new Mega-Super-Colliding-Button of death.
[21:56] <jcastro> http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/
[21:56] <jcastro> for registring, heh
[21:56] <jono> oh cool
[21:56] <jono> nice!
[21:57] <jcastro> yeah, basically I use class="awesome"
[21:57] <jcastro> which is basically you know, awesome
[21:57] <jono> jcastro, see my blog, can you get that content on ubuntu-news for me? I have a call coming up
[21:58] <jcastro> sure
[22:00] <jono> jcastro, thanks, pal
[22:01] <jono> last call of the week, woohoo!
[22:08] <nigelb> jcastro: does sponsorship being open mean we cant roll out summmit updates?
[22:09] <jcastro> hah
[22:09] <jcastro> "now that we need it, can we break it?"
[22:11] <nigelb> jcastro: exactly :)
[22:25] <jono> jcastro, oops
[22:25] <jono> type
[22:25] <jono> typo
[22:25] <jono> opening para in my post should be 12.04 LTS
[22:25] <jono> could you fix it on ubuntu-news?
[22:28] <popey> jono fixed
[22:29] <jono> thanks popey
[22:29] <jono> <-- clutz


[12:06] <skalpel> where is the best place to get window boreder themes for kde?
[12:06] <fromoze> skalpel: kde-look.org
[12:07] <Taker> skalpel: Did you try kde-look.org?
[12:07] <Tm_T> windeco? kde-look.org
[12:07] <damyan_> hihi
[12:07] <Tm_T> I was frst!
[12:07] <Tm_T> plah
[12:07] <Taker> Tm_T: You're the king :D
[12:07] <Tm_T> I'm the kid
[12:08] <Taker> Does anyone of want to play a round kwin4 over the internet?
[12:08] <Taker> of you :D
[12:08] <Taker> sudo apt-get install kwin4
[12:11] <slack10> Ciao a tutti
[12:12] <hussam> I'm thinking of getting rid of this hard disk when breezy's out and installing breezy on a new hard disk. what model 80GB hard disk should I get?
[12:13] <Taker> hussam: Samsung is one of the best manufactures for harddisks
[12:14] <hussam> Taker: ok thanks for the suggestion
[12:19] <Blissex> hussam: most any will do, and Samsung is good and cheap, Seagate tends to be quieter, and so on...
[12:19] <Blissex> hussam: but currently 80GB discs are relatively expensive. a 160GB will cost you only a very little bit more.
[12:19] <skalpel> SAMSUUG SUCKS
[12:19] <skalpel> no t doesnt
[12:20] <Blissex> skalpel: there are several ''keyboard shortcuts'' in KDE BTW...
[12:21] <hussam> Blissex: the thing is that 80gb is the max my 815e mobo can take
[12:21] <skalpel> Blissex: i found what i wanted, thank you
[12:22] <Blissex> hussam: what your motherboard takes or not does not matter a lot except as to _booting_.
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is there some sort of currency converter in KDE?
[12:22] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: 'man units' (command line).
[12:23] <fromoze> hussam: may you can put a 160 but only use 80 :) a friend of mine has a 40 that the bios reconizes has 20
[12:23] <ecker_> how do i set the Net to run on bootup in kubuntu>
[12:23] <Blissex> hussam: so if you put the boot/root partition within the BIOS limit, it will be fine.
[12:23] <Blissex> hussam: when the Linux kernel starts it will be able to access the whole disc.
[12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[12:23] <hussam> fromoze, Blissex: I get that and the linux installer will recognize that?
[12:23] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: there may be some little GUI app but it is not part of the standard set of KDE apps IIRC.
[12:24] <Blissex> hussam: yes, it should (99% likely).
[12:24] <skalpel> is there a soulseek client for kde?
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: Sort of. mldonkey + kmldonkey
[12:24] <Blissex> hussam: for example my BIOS does not handle more than 138GB discs, but my root partition is 8GB at the beginning of the disk, and then it is fine.
[12:25] <skalpel> together?
[12:25] <Blissex> skalpel: one is a dmon that does the P2P, the other is its GUI controller.
[12:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: Yeah. mldonkey as the core and kmldonkey as the GUI
[12:25] <skalpel> that is fine
[12:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: Just make sure you download and compile the core yourself as I can't get the one I got from apt-get to connect
[12:26] <Blissex> fromoze: most likely with Linux your friend can use the whole 40GB as long as the boot/root partition is at the beginning of the disc.
[12:26] <skalpel> i have never compiled anything, i do not know how
[12:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: It's simple, really. If you want, I can guide you through it
[12:28] <fromoze> Blissex: my friend is on windows only... but, may be this is a good point to make her change her mind xD
[12:28] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: thats evil :-). Building a KDE app is not totally trivial...
[12:28] <skalpel> yes i would like that
[12:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Blissex: I just compiled the core. I got KMLDonkey from apt-get
[12:30] <skalpel> donkey is not really the same as soulseek, is it? it does not connect to soulseek servers?
[12:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: mldonkey is a multi-network app. It can connect to donkey, overnet, kad, opennap, Gnutella, gnutella2, Soulseek etc etc
[12:32] <skalpel> excellent
[12:32] <skalpel> where can i download it?
[12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just a sec
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: Do you have subversion?
[12:35] <skalpel> Rogue_Jedi_X: I do not think so, how do i fiind out?
[12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: sudo apt-get install subversion
[12:36] <skalpel> k
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh and sudo apt-get install kmldonkey , while you're at it
[12:36] <skalpel> already did
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Excellent
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So, subversion is installed?
[12:37] <skalpel> yes
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Good
[12:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now, in Konsole, browse over to the dir where you want mldonkey to be downloaded
[12:38] <skalpel> ok, where should i put it, in my home folder?
[12:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wherever you want. The command you're about to run will create a dir called trunk with the latest mldonkey sourcecode
[12:40] <skalpel> k i guess i will put it in my home folder
[12:40] <skalpel> what is the command?
[12:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just a sec
[12:40] <skalpel> can someone tell me why the gst engine would not work for amarok?
[12:40] <skalpel> it said it could not use gst so used the arts engine instead, i do not like it
[12:42] <Blissex> fromoze: BTW, MS Windows 2000 and XP don't have the cylinder limitation either, only forf booting.
[12:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skalpel: Okay. Type: svn co https://opensvn.csie.org/mlnet/trunk
[12:44] <skalpel> i feel sick
[12:52] <skpl> Rogue_Jedi_X: so what do i do next
[12:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm. Google just found another SoulSeek client for Linux. Oh well. It's a backup plan
[12:59] <skpl> interesting
[12:59] <skpl> yeah, backup plan
[12:59] <skpl> what next?
[12:59] <skpl> build-essential is already the newest version.
[12:59] <skpl> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 36 not upgraded.
[01:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Very good
[01:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now, go into the trunk dir
[01:04] <mattfletcher> how do i change the screen resolution in kubuntu? i've tried right click desktop, configure desktop, display, but only 640x480 is available
[01:05] <Blissex> mattfletcher: you have to create a new nice X configuration with a more realistic monitor parameters.
[01:06] <Blissex> mattfletcher: look at the Ubuntu Wiki, is has a section on that.
[01:06] <mattfletcher> oh. how do i do that? i thought ubuntu was meant to be friendly to beginners!
[01:06] <mattfletcher> ok
[01:06] <static> my default res. was set to 1400x1234 or something around there... odd that it would default to 640x480...
[01:06] <mattfletcher> will do
[01:06] <Blissex> mattfletcher: or under 'Control Centre:Peropherals:Display'
[01:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: You done yet?
[01:06] <mattfletcher> the screen can only do 1024, but 640 is useless, most of the dialog boxes don't even fit
[01:06] <mattfletcher> !
[01:06] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mattfletcher
[01:07] <Blissex> !x configuration
[01:07] <ubotu> Blissex: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:07] <Blissex> !xorg.conf
[01:07] <ubotu> Blissex: Wish i knew
[01:08] <static>         SubSection "Display"
[01:08] <static>                 Depth           24
[01:08] <static>                 Modes           "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "320x200"
[01:08] <static>         EndSubSection
[01:08] <static> from my xorg.conf
[01:08] <skpl> Rogue_Jedi_X: there
[01:08] <skpl> what should i do now?
[01:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: Now type: ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-gui --enable-soulseek
[01:09] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: NOOOOO
[01:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: Hold it
[01:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Blissex: no?
[01:10] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: the prefix should be '/usr/local' because one should not install anything under '/usr' manually, it should all be amanged by APT/DPKG
[01:10] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: it seems a minor point, but it is quite important. All by-hand installs should be to '/usr/local'
[01:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Blissex: I see. Live and learn, I guess.
[01:11] <Blissex> Also, ideally the config dir should be '/etc', not '/usr/local/etc'...
[01:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: Cancel the process with Ctrl+C and type: ./configure --disable-gui --enable-soulseek
[01:12] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: if you put all the hand installed stuff under '/usr/local' when  you upgrade distro etc, all is preserved, isolated in '/usr/local', etc.
[01:13] <Blissex> suggested parms: --prefix=/usr/local --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir /var
[01:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I see
[01:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Isn't prefix like that by default, though?
[01:16] <skpl> Rogue_Jedi_X: okay i have done that
[01:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: now type make
[01:20] <skpl> i am vurrently getting alot of errors
[01:20] <skpl> as it does it's thing
[01:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Errors or warnings?
[01:23] <skpl> maybe they are warnings
[01:23] <skpl> yes, warnings
[01:23] <skpl> what is the difference?
[01:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The difference is, you can ignore warnings :)
[01:32] <skpl> Rogue_Jedi_X: what do i do after 'make'
[01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: sudo make install
[01:33] <skpl> i smell spanich pastrie
[01:35] <skpl> Rogue_Jedi_X: ok, done
[01:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: Okay. All that's left now is to run mlnet and kmldonkey and you're done
[01:39] <skpl> already there
[01:40] <mustafu> would asking a question about GNOME / KDE be considered a bad idea?
[01:40] <skpl> yes
[01:40] <skpl> very
[01:40] <skpl> donkey kinda sucks, i liked the way nicotine sorts the hits by directory
[01:40] <skpl> so you can get full albums
[01:40] <skpl> this is all pioggeldywiggeldy
[01:41] <mustafu> how should I go about finding answers to my curiosities then?
[01:42] <skpl> neo
[01:42] <skpl> the matrix has you
[01:42] <skpl> free your MIND
[01:42] <skpl> you think that is air you are breathing?
[01:54] <skpl> Rogue_Jedi_X: what was the name of the soulseek client you found?
[02:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, right
[02:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/
[02:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> PySoulSeek
[02:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: Looks like it's a dead project, though
[02:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> skpl: Seems there's another one called nicotine and it's in apt-get too
[02:26] <brk3> what the hell is firefox doing, when i go to type in a box it brings up the find the find dialog and starts putting the text in there
[02:27] <brk3> ok its working again
[03:09] <skpl> Rogue_Jedi_X: actually i have used nicotine before, but it is built for gdm,
[03:10] <skpl> i want something for kde, i wish there was a similiar app
[03:10] <skpl> does anyone know if you can run itunes in linux?
[03:26] <Kitty-Kun> what does kernel panic mean?
[03:29] <c0rrupt_> means ur fuxed
[03:29] <c0rrupt_> ;-\
[03:29] <c0rrupt_> kernel panic where
[03:30] <Kitty-Kun> it says kill init
[03:41] <kevman> How do I change the desktop resolution?
[03:42] <^Cricket^> open a konsole and type krandrtry
[03:42] <^Cricket^> krandrtray*
[03:42] <hussam> anybody has a direct link to the quake3 GPL'ed source code?
[03:43] <^Cricket^> a icon will appear in the system tray, right click and pick your resolution
[03:43] <kevman> "required X extension unaviable"
[03:44] <kevman> I'm using the hardware-accelarated ATI drivers.
[03:44] <kevman> I think.
[03:44] <^Cricket^> use the control panel then
[03:45] <kevman> Same thing.
[03:47] <^Cricket^> hmm im useing the accelerated nvidia drivers and i have no problem
[03:48] <kevman> oh well.
[03:52] <^Cricket^> -_- i cant seem to upgrade to kde 3.4.2
[03:54] <Kitty-Kun> ok
[03:54] <Kitty-Kun> here's what it's saying that can possible be construed as being not good
[03:54] <Kitty-Kun> pivot_root: no such file or directory
[03:54] <Kitty-Kun> kerel panic-ont syncing: attempted to kill init!
[03:54] <Kitty-Kun>  /sbun /init :428: cannot open dev/console: no such file
[03:55] <Kitty-Kun> with that last one in the middle
[03:55] <Kitty-Kun> Any ideas how to fix it?
[03:58] <Kitty-Kun> help?
[03:59] <Kitty-Kun> Come on
[03:59] <Kitty-Kun> help me out
[03:59] <Kitty-Kun> please
[03:59] <frogtone25> i need to know what i have to do to get java off of synaptic
[04:00] <frogtone25> i have universe, multiverse, and backports
[04:00] <frogtone25> what am i missing
[04:00] <frogtone25> can anyone help me
[04:02] <frogtone25> i want to install limewire on here and i need java for it to work
[04:02] <dell500> how do i print out 4 slides in open office on one page?
[04:03] <Kitty-Kun> thank you SO much for your help! *sarcasm*
[04:05] <frogtone25> how do i get java off of apt-get
[04:05] <frogtone25> how do i install java with apt-get
[04:08] <dell500> nm figured it out
[04:11] <frogtone25> ok i entered apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:12] <frogtone25> and it cant find java to install
[04:12] <frogtone25> am i doing something wrong or what
[04:12] <frogtone25> i really need help here
[04:15] <jsubl2> apt-cache search j2re1
[04:26] <frogtone25> is there a repository address i can put into synaptic so i can download and install java from there
[04:27] <jsubl2> !sources
[04:27] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:33] <frogtone25> none of those repositories have java on it
[04:33] <frogtone25> i need to install java
[04:33] <alexandros> hello everyone
[04:33] <Xorlev> I installed JAVA just fine from the sources frogtone.
[04:33] <Xorlev> Hello alxandros.
[04:33] <frogtone25> which one is it
[04:34] <Xorlev> Backports.
[04:34] <frogtone25> i have backports
[04:34] <alexandros> hello Xorlev
[04:34] <frogtone25> which java is it
[04:34] <jesusfish> there amaroK 1.3 packages out for hoary anywhere?
[04:34] <frogtone25> there is like a bunch of java stuff on there
[04:34] <frogtone25> which one is the one i need
[04:35] <Xorlev> jesusfish: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46143
[04:35] <frogtone25> well Xorlev
[04:35] <frogtone25> which one it it
[04:36] <frogtone25> which one is it
[04:36] <jesusfish> Xorlev: using that one, but it wasn't compiled with xine engine
[04:36] <Xorlev> frogtone25: sun-j2re1.5
[04:36] <Xorlev> jesusfish: Ahh
[04:36] <frogtone25> it isnt on there
[04:36] <frogtone25> at all
[04:36] <frogtone25> no sun-j2re1.5
[04:37] <frogtone25> i put that into search
[04:37] <Xorlev> Do you have the backports in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:37] <frogtone25> um
[04:37] <frogtone25> i dont know
[04:38] <frogtone25> how do i check that
[04:38] <EasterSunshine> frogtone25: cat /etc/apt/sources.list|grep back
[04:38] <Xorlev> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:39] <EasterSunshine> frogtone25: if it spits nothing out and the prompt bounces back, you don't have em enabled
[04:39] <Xorlev> Follow the steps listed there, then run apt-get update or click Refresh in Syn/Kynaptic
[04:39] <frogtone25> can i post the backports it has listed
[04:39] <Xorlev> Then sun-j2re1.5 should show up.
[04:39] <Xorlev> Go ahead
[04:40] <frogtone25> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:40] <frogtone25> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:40] <frogtone25> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:40] <frogtone25> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports universe multiverse
[04:40] <jesusfish> crimsun: you ever get amaroK 1.3 debs to go?
[04:40] <frogtone25> this is all i have
[04:40] <frogtone25> on there
[04:40] <frogtone25> so tell me what you think
[04:40] <Xorlev> Try closing Syn/Kynaptic, then run apt-get update
[04:41] <frogtone25> ok
[04:41] <frogtone25> ok i did that
[04:42] <Xorlev> Now try apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:42] <frogtone25> still cant find it
[04:42] <frogtone25> root@kubuntufrog:/home/frogtone25 # apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:42] <frogtone25> Reading package lists... Done
[04:42] <frogtone25> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:42] <frogtone25> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[04:42] <frogtone25> root@kubuntufrog:/home/frogtone25 #
[04:43] <Xorlev> Try using this script then: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:43] <Xorlev> It should set you up with Java at the end
[04:46] <skpl> can someone tell me why when i click on a link for an image at a http url in konversation it downloads the picture and shows it locally instead of showing it in a web browser?
[04:49] <frogtone25> i did what you told me to do
[04:49] <frogtone25> and it still didnt install java
[04:50] <skpl> can someone explain to me how to connect to a soulseek server using mldonkey?
[04:52] <frogtone25> there is no sun-j2re1.5 anywhere
[05:04] <^Cricket^> -_- anyone here know how to install Wolf:et?
[05:14] <EasterSunshine> ^Cricket^: have you tried a windows version + cedega?
[05:14] <EasterSunshine> ^Cricket^: natives are supposed to better except they don't work...
[05:19] <^Cricket^> -_- i wanted to avoid cedega....
[05:19] <^Cricket^> o well
[05:19] <^Cricket^> ty
[05:21] <EasterSunshine> ^Cricket^: too much hassle getting the natives to work...
[05:25] <GingerMark> Hi! Could anyone please recommend any CD burning software aside from K3B that will detect my CD writer, allow the editing of track gaps for audio CDs, and comes with a GUI? Not too worried how pretty it is. Have tried Graveman, Gnomebaker, SimpleCDR-X, X-CD-Roast, gtoaster, gcombust. Am I missing some golden program, or is that pretty much it?
[05:27] <^Cricket^> gah! cedegas not installing...
[05:27] <^Cricket^> back to winblows....
[05:36] <frogtone25> ok i did what you told me to do about 30 minutes ago Xorlev
[05:36] <frogtone25> and it says theres no java available
[05:36] <frogtone25> do you know any other options for me to try
[05:37] <alexandros> does anyone know who to install jdk 5.0 on kubuntu?
[05:38] <frogtone25> what is jdk 5.0
[05:38] <frogtone25> exactly
[05:38] <alexandros> the java development kit
[05:38] <frogtone25> oh
[05:44] <EasterSunshine> alexandros: i think seveas has jdk on his repo, not 100% sure though
[05:44] <EasterSunshine> alexandros: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:45] <EasterSunshine> alexandros: ...doesn't work...sry nvm
[05:45] <frogtone25> yeah
[05:45] <frogtone25> it doesnt
[05:45] <alexandros> I am lost
[05:45] <EasterSunshine> alexandros: but seveas would advise not to install from bin, that's all i can tell you
[05:46] <EasterSunshine> argh i gotta track down seveas's repo again
[05:46] <frogtone25> ok so there is nowhere on here that we can get anything java related
[05:46] <frogtone25> so we can use stuff like limewire
[05:46] <frogtone25> or opera
[05:47] <alexandros> I saw a website that tell you how to install it but I lost it
[05:47] <EasterSunshine> !java
[05:47] <ubotu> I heard java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:47] <EasterSunshine> is that it?
[05:47] <alexandros> it involved a fake-root and another program
[05:48] <alexandros> I am looking now
[05:48] <frogtone25> oh ok
[05:48] <frogtone25> the hoary-extras servers are down
[05:48] <frogtone25> thats where java is
[05:49] <frogtone25> it says it on that site ubotu gave us
[05:49] <alexandros> yes, that was the website thank you
[05:50] <alexandros> ubotu
[05:54] <EasterSunshine> you guys are thanking a bot
[05:55] <EasterSunshine> he's not alive, but yeah its always nice to thx inanimate objects, especially when they help you
[05:56] <alexandros> :)
[05:56] <frogtone25> oh i didnt know
[05:56] <frogtone25> sorry
[05:57] <EasterSunshine> lol
[05:58] <frogtone25> but i do know what a bot is
[05:58] <frogtone25> they are the crap thats about to make yahoo charge people to chat on their servers
[06:07] <alexandros> have any one got auto mount of dvd and cdrom to work? I got automount of cdrom to work partially but I am unable to unmount it.
[06:32] <Tonka> hi. kubuntu is wonderful. but can I put the trash icon on the desktop. I'm sort of a newbie. thanks
[06:39] <Johnny-> Tonka, look at www.kubuntu.org and the FAQ section...there it is
[06:45] <ilba7r> !mixer
[06:45] <ubotu> ilba7r: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:46] <ilba7r> !sound
[06:46] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[06:46] <^Cricket^`ZzZz`> how would i go about running the xserver as SU?
[06:47] <ilba7r> sudo -i or sudo -a
[06:47] <ilba7r> both work depending if you wana run it from your home directory or from root
[06:48] <^Cricket^`ZzZz`> ta
[06:55] <alvz> how do i install a new soundcard ?
[07:43] <polytin> hi, how could I print on a paper size 11x17 inches? I'm using epson2200. There is no option 11x17 (also called B) nor there is a 'custom size' option, please help.
[08:17] <polytin> hi, how could I print on a paper size 11x17 inches? I'm using epson2200. There is no option 11x17 (also called B) nor there is a 'custom size' option, please help.
[08:43] <Tonka> I think kubuntu has Samba installed but I still can't print on a printer connected to a Windows XP computer. Any help?
[08:44] <Tonka> df
[08:59] <Thardas> The following packages have unmet dependencies: smbfs: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1) but 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 is installed.
[08:59] <Thardas> How can I fix that?
[09:04] <bjv> iirc soulseek is windows software that makes itself incompatible with older versions
[09:04] <bjv> is there a solid port out there? nicotine or something?
[09:04] <ubuntu> are random debian packages compatible with kubuntu?
[09:05] <bjv> ive never had problems.
[09:07] <ubuntu> yeah but this story: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/2335221&tid=163&tid=90&tid=190&tid=106
[09:08] <bjv> packages built for Ubuntu often don't work on Sarge

[09:08] <bjv> ive dpkged 1 or 2 debian packs into kubuntu with no problems that i can remember
[09:09] <ubuntu> thnx bjv
[09:36] <larvanto> hello
[09:36] <larvanto> anybody know what's up with the backports repository?
[09:37] <skalpel> how do i find out which version of xorg i am using?
[09:38] <larvanto> there are some broken dependencies with firefox and amarok at least
[09:46] <bjv> zcat /proc/conf.gz  ..
[09:46] <bjv> what is the ubuntu equivalent?
[09:53] <nikkia> bjv, erm, zcat should work on ubuntu....
[09:53] <nikkia> but i think you mean /proc/config.gz
[09:54] <nikkia> hmmm, you're right, there's no /proc/config.gz file on [k] ubuntu
[09:55] <nikkia> you'll have to rely on the build-time config file
[09:55] <nikkia> which should be in /boot/config-$KERNEL_VERSION
[10:09] <paines> hi
[10:57] <Tonka> how do I place trash icon on the desktop? thanks.
[10:57] <ilba7r> are you using gnome or kde
[10:58] <ilba7r> you can just drag and drop it there
[11:27] <nikkia> Tonka: as i've explained to you before, you should already have a trash.desktop in your ~/Desktop, you have to edit it, and change 'Hidden=true' to 'Hidden=false', this is the last time I will explain it ot you
[11:52] <nikkia> woo
[11:52] <nikkia> my new HDD is here
[11:52] <nikkia> now to work out what the 2 sockets besides the 2 SATA sockets are for
[11:53] <larvanto> hmm, where's acroread 7?
[11:59] <mrdeath> hello all
[12:00] <mrdeath> is there are any LiveJournal Clients for KDE?
[12:00] <mrdeath> i can't find nothing :(
[12:03] <amu> LiveJournal Clients?
[12:06] <mrdeath> amu: yep. a program, which can post records to my journal
[12:07] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: ping
[12:08] <thoreauputic> !seen apokryphos
[12:08] <mrdeath> no variants?
[12:08] <ubotu> apokryphos is currently on #kubuntu (4h 7m 4s) #ubuntu (4h 7m 4s)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> hmm
[12:09] <thoreauputic> !seen seveas
[12:09] <ubotu> seveas is currently on #ubuntu (1h 27m 22s)
[12:11] <tenco> why is adept over 50 megs big?
[12:17] <jeh> what is the kubuntu release schedule?
[12:17] <jeh> hm, i guess that's available on the website. checking...
[12:18] <amu> mrdeath: a blog ?
[12:18] <mrdeath> amu: yes
[12:19] <mrdeath> livejournal.com
[12:19] <mrdeath> as i understand it's engine is equal to blogger.com
[12:24] <amu> just tpye in a konsole: apt-cache search blog
[12:34] <mrdeath> amu: :) i know
[12:34] <mrdeath> but i found no client written on QT/KDElibs
[12:34] <mrdeath> only gnome clients or console
[12:38] <amu> no idea, never blog'ed, i do not feel penetrated to communicate to the world if I go on WC
[12:44] <tapanim> need good videoplayer which understand subs
[12:45] <jeh> mplayer
[12:49] <tapanim> thanks
[12:57] <Johnny-> How can i read&write excel documents on linux?
[12:58] <golanz> johnny: openoffice 2.0 does it very well, or at least u can use openoffice 1.1.4
[12:59] <Johnny-> Hmmm...ok
[12:59] <Johnny-> Do you have any idea how do i config my HP printer to linux?
[12:59] <golanz> consider that oo 2.0 is not stabl
[12:59] <golanz> stable
[12:59] <Johnny-> Yep...i have 1.1.4
[12:59] <golanz> u can use cups (i usually use it)
[12:59] <golanz> but in kubuntu i suppose there is something better... not sure what
[01:00] <Johnny-> Hmmm...okey
[01:01] <jeh> our kubuntu only has oo 1.1.3
[01:05] <skyred> help me i encrypted something...now ive forgotten passwd!
[01:06] <hettar> skyred: then I guess you can say goodbye to your data
[01:06] <skyred> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!:(
[01:29] <_daniel> i'm having trouble with using a touchpad with synaptics
[01:32] <Johnny-> Hmm...doesn't Kubuntu have dkpg -command? :/
[01:38] <jpatrick> Johnny-: it does
[01:38] <jpatrick> if you mean dpkg
[01:40] <Johnny-> Yeah...stupid me :D
[01:44] <jpatrick> Anyone here have KXDocker?
[01:48] <nikkia> grrr, i hate scary stuff like that
[01:53] <jpatrick> what stuff?
[01:54] <nikkia> jpatrick: installed my SATA drive, and grub stopped working
[01:54] <nikkia> took 2 hours to resolve, too
[01:54] <nikkia> grub would just lock up trying to execute 'root' on anything but the NTFS drive (hda)
[01:54] <jpatrick> I can't install KXDocker >:( right now
[01:56] <nikkia> in the end, i think the following fixed it... creating a partition table on the RAID array (the SATA controller only does RAID, so i have a RAID 0+1 array consisting of 1 drive *rolls eyes*), tell bios to boot from 'SCSI Device' first (which i believe is my promise PATA controller), set it to initialise onboard PATA before SATA, and some other juju that i forget :)
[01:57] <nikkia> oh, and initialising a valid grub install on the RAID array *might* have had some effect
[01:58] <nikkia> as i said, scary stuff, basically, blindly fumbling about trying to get stuff working
[01:58] <nikkia> it'd be nice if grub could tell you which device # == which drive
[01:59] <nikkia> especially when you have 3 drives that all have 1 partition which is ext3
[01:59] <nikkia> root (hd3,0)  =>  ext2fs partition ...  isn't much use in IDing the drive when you have no idea if hd3 == SATA or hd3 == one of the 2 120GB drives
[01:59] <Gadjet> anyone had any problems with upgrading the kernel to 2.6.12-6 on hp lpr1000 (uses megaraid scsi) ? (i just get the generic error of not being able to pivot_root, 'no such file or directory dev/console')
[02:06] <Johnny-> How can i get Konqueror to open full everytime i open it? I dont mean the full screen mode...but that it is the size of the screen
[02:08] <nikkia> Johnny-: use the 'Advanced/Special Windows Settings' from the right click menu on the title bar
[02:09] <nikkia> you probably want to set Maximize Vertically, and Maximize Horizontally both to 'Apply Initially' and enabled
[02:10] <nikkia> that way, when konqueror is opened, it will be maximized in both directions, but if you then restore to normal size, it won't re-maximize (which is what happens with the 'force' settings
[02:10] <Johnny-> Hmmm...cant see that "advanced..." thing
[02:10] <nikkia> Johnny-: its right at the top of the menu that pops up
[02:11] <Johnny-> I must be blind or something...goddamn >:P
[02:11] <nikkia> right click on the title bar of konqueror, and you should get a menu with Advanced, To Desktop, Move, Resize, Minimize, Maximize, Shade, Configure Window Behaviour, Close
[02:12] <Johnny-> Ahaaa!
[02:13] <Johnny-> Thanks dude :)
[02:13] <Johnny-> Then another question...why cant i mount with the "mount" command in media:/? :/
[02:13] <Johnny-> NTFS-partions
[02:14] <Johnny-> It says" mount: cant find /dev/hdd5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab Please check that the disk is entered correctly." :/
[02:15] <nikkia> because they're probably not defined in /etc/fstab :)
[02:15] <Johnny-> How should i define them in /etc/fstab? :D
[02:15] <nikkia> use the syntax in man fstab
[02:18] <Johnny-> Hmmm...looks hard
[02:32] (alfred300p/#kubuntu) hello. i need some help getting my wifi to work. anybody?
[02:33] <Firetech> My ksvgtopng renders images with too high gamma (as a "highlighted" image would be), how can this be fixed? (I'm on kubuntu + KDE 3.4.2)
[02:34] <nikkia> hmmm, is slashdot down ?
[02:34] <Firetech> Reinstalling kdelibs-bin (the package it lies in), doesn't help
[02:34] <nikkia> Firetech: someone else (unless it was you) was complaining about that yesterday, must be a bug in the KDE build
[02:35] <Firetech> nikkia: I think it was me...
[02:35] <Firetech> I just found out where the problem was...
[02:35] <alfred300p> on kubuntu + kde 3.4.0. i can't get the wireless device (as eth1) up.
[02:36] <Firetech> Anyone else experiencing that ksvgtopng problem?
[02:37] <alfred300p> nikkia: i can reach it
[02:37] <nikkia> alfred300p: it was unreachable for a few minutes, then came back up
[02:37] <nikkia> just the usual slashdot patheticness, i spose
[02:39] <jjesse> monrong
[02:39] <jjesse> doh can't type this morning :(
[02:40] <alfred300p> nobody on the wifi dept.?
[02:44] <tanghus> alfred300p: I can forward u a mail I wrote to some other guy bout how I got my wifi working?
[02:45] <alfred300p> tanghus: sure, every bit helps<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:45] <alfred300p> ty
[02:45] <tanghus> alfred300p: 2 minutes
[02:47] <tanghus> alfred300p: check ur inbox. if it doesn't help u can holla me again
[02:48] <alfred300p> tanghus: ty, i'll go check it now.
[02:48] <lewion> ?? where the fuck is java
[02:48] <kinfo> No match for "where"
[02:48] <lewion> it isn't there anymore ???
[02:49] <tanghus> lewion: apt-cache search jre
[02:49] <lewion> been there done that
[02:49] <tanghus> hmm - u got a decent sources.list?
[02:49] <lewion> maybe not
[02:50] <tanghus> I can mail u mine - u'll have to replace the dk mirrors with something else I guess
[02:50] <lewion> where is sources list situated?
[02:50] <tanghus> /etc/apt
[02:50] <lewion> ok
[02:52] <jjesse> make sure you sudo to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:53] <lewion> deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[02:53] <lewion> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[02:53] <lewion> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[02:53] <lewion> ## distribution.
[02:53] <lewion> deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[02:53] <lewion> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[02:53] <lewion> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[02:53] <lewion> ## repository.
[02:54] <lewion> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[02:54] <lewion> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[02:54] <lewion> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[02:54] <lewion> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[02:54] <lewion> ## team.
[02:54] <lewion>  deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[02:54] <lewion>  deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[02:54] <lewion> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[02:54] <lewion> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[02:54] <lewion>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[02:54] <lewion>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[02:54] <lewion> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[02:54] <lewion> not much
[02:54] <lewion> looks like i've only 9
[02:55] <nikkia> lewion: please use a paste bin for that kind of thing
[02:55] <lewion> kej
[02:55] <Mez> o_O
[02:56] <Mez> I cant believe that triggered my auto-op
[02:56] <alfred300p> tanghus: ok, i'm reading. it.
[02:56] <verwilst> lewion: http://nomorepasting.com
[02:56] <verwilst> lewion: use this when you want people to see something big :p
[02:57] <alfred300p> tanghus:one thing i'm curious, though, shouldn't there be entries for eth0 and eth1 in my interfaces file, since i can see them both in the kde control center?
[02:58] <tanghus> alfred300p: yes. I guess that the file I sent u said wlan0 or something. replace that with the proper device - eth0 or eth1
[03:00] <tanghus> verwilst: cool - I didn't know that one
[03:02] <_stef> does anyone knows where I can get some logos ?
[03:02] <_stef> I need some ideas for a firm logo
[03:02] <alfred300p> tanghus: it says eth1. the question is, i can see eth0 and eth1 on the kde control center network settings module (i'm on a kubuntu), but they don't show up in the interfaces file. does kde use a different config file
[03:03] <tanghus> nope. interfaces isn't used. I guess KDE uses //proc or something to look up the devices. U have to edit interfaces to reflect ur devices
[03:04] <tanghus> alfred300p: is eth0 ur "normal" net and eth1 ur wifi?
[03:05] <alfred300p> tanghus: got it. it's a yesterday-installed laptop, kubuntu created eth0 for the ethernet card and eth1 for the wireless. but i'll rarely use ethernet.
[03:07] <tanghus> alfred300p: I'll mail u my current interfaces file bc my setup is similar to ur's
[03:07] <tanghus> alfred300p: just have to comment out the WEP keys ;-)
[03:10] <alfred300p> tanghus: heh. okay. does your setup automatically connect to any open network?
[03:10] <tanghus> nope. Couldn't get that to work.
[03:11] <tanghus> in the one thats now in ur inbox u would have to do i.e.: ifup eth1=eth1-herik
[03:12] <alfred300p> tanghus: that's funny, when i first installed kubuntu it worked, but during installation i happened to have a network within range.
[03:12] <alfred300p> what's -herik?
[03:13] <alfred300p> the name of a network or just option letters? :)
[03:13] <tanghus> thats just an example of a access point name
[03:13] <alfred300p> ok
[03:13] <tanghus> used as option letters
[03:19] <alfred300p> tanghus: i'm trying the new config, i'll let you know when i get something
[03:19] <tanghus> alfred300p: ok - good luck :-)
[03:21] <tanghus> alfred300p: btw: what does "iwconfig eth0|grep head" say
[03:27] <alfred300p> tanghus: 1 sec, i decided to do it the windows way :D i reinstalled the system. it's booting up.
[03:28] <tanghus> alfred300p: booooh ;-)
[03:29] <alfred300p> yeah, i know. anyways, i think it worked, i put the laptop in a spot i know it's within range, and it appears to have connected to security.ubuntu.org during the installation
[03:30] <alfred300p> oh boy, can't all those packages come pre-configured? :)
[03:33] <Bags> Hi all
[03:34] <jpatrick> lo
[03:34] <Bags> Got another wierd one for y'all.
[03:34] <Bags> Just installed Kubuntu on a dual 966 PIII Dell box.
[03:35] <Bags> Installation went through great, but when I drag the mouse to an icon, it changes to something resembling a barcode.
[03:36] <Bags> This also happens when I move the mouse to a window boundary as if I"m going to resize it.
[03:36] <Bags> When I switch to Gnome, this behaviour stops, but reappears when I go to move a desktop icon.
[03:37] <nikkia> Bags, corrupt cursors, either due to filesystem problems, or due to X trying to use hardware cursors and not having enough video ram
[03:37] <Bags> Oh.
[03:37] <Bags> Ok.
[03:37] <nikkia> my guess would be hardware cursors
[03:37] <nikkia> it could also be a SMP issue related to video memory access
[03:37] <Bags> nikkia: Any ideas on how to tackle it?
[03:38] <nikkia> (less likely, but i wouldn't rule it out, since you're using a SMP machine - there are lots of little weird 'gotchas' about SMP)
[03:38] <nikkia> Bags, edit the xorg.conf file and enable software cursors
[03:38] <alfred300p> tanghus: woohoo, it's downloading upgrades! and with 0 configuration.
[03:38] <Bags> Ok.
[03:38] <Johnny-> !ntfs
[03:38] <Johnny-> !mounting
[03:38] <ubotu> I don't know, Johnny-
[03:38] <Johnny-> !mount
[03:38] <ubotu> from memory, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[03:38] <tanghus> alfred300p: Yihaa
[03:38] <Johnny-> !windowsdrives
[03:39] <ubotu> from memory, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[03:40] <alfred300p> what's your linux flavour, tanghus?
[03:41] <tanghus> 2.6.10-5-686
[03:42] <tanghus> If u have more than 800 something MB RAM u have to use the 686 linux image
[03:43] <nikkia> tanghus: not specifically the 686 image, just 'anything except the 386'
[03:43] <nikkia> and no, you don't HAVE to, just if you want the kernel to recognise the extra memory
[03:44] <alfred300p> tanghus: didn't know that. anyways, thanks for the help. i can send you _my_ config. files, if you want ;)
[03:44] <alfred300p> that is if you... hum... tell me where to find them...
[03:44] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I'm trying to set up gnupg signing for emails - if I have a default public server showing in kgpg, is that sufficient? I don't really understand this...
[03:44] <tanghus> nikkia: yup - I stand corrected ;-)
[03:45] <thoreauputic> I assume it's rather like key pairs in ssh...
[03:45] <nikkia> thoreauputic: dunno, it depends if kgpg is using the same config files, if its not, and that server is kgpg's but gnupg doesn't have a server configured, then probably not
[03:45] <nikkia> thoreauputic: a great deal like key pairs in ssh :)
[03:45] <tanghus> alfred300p: Thanx, but I think I got a pretty well functioning system now - though it took me a while to get there :-)
[03:46] <nikkia> in a sense, it'd be nice if you could use gnupg keys for ssh
[03:46] <nikkia> but i suppose if someone compromised the key servers, it'd be a huge security problem
[03:46] <thoreauputic> nikkia: afaik kpgp is just a friendly front end for gnupg - using gnupg on the commandline seems to show sigs etc
[03:46] <nikkia> thoreauputic: yeah, doesn't necessarily mean they're using the same key server tho, but i would probably assume they are
[03:47] <thoreauputic> hmm
[03:47] <Bags> nikkia: Is there somewhere I could go to find out the correct configuration of the Xorg system for my graphics card?
[03:47] <nikkia> Bags, the cursor control is the same for all servers, afaik
[03:47] <nikkia> ie 'Option  "SWcursor" "true"'
[03:47] <Bags> nikkia: Ok.
[03:47] <nikkia> (you may need a corresponding 'Option "HWcursor" "false"'
[03:48] <thoreauputic> nikkia: so if I say, send ubuntu an email with this key attached, that's enough? How does the recipient know which key server to query?
[03:48] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i honestly have no idea
[03:48] <thoreauputic> nikkia: hahah - oh dear - OK looks like I have more reading to do ! *grin*
[03:49] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i kind of gave up using gpg
[03:49] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i have about 50 keys that i've requested over the years, that all still have a public key in a key server, but no matching private key anymore
[03:50] <nikkia> besides, i live in a place where they can put me in prison without trial just for not telling them my passphrase :P
[03:50] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I'm applying for Ubuntu membership and they need a signed copy of the Code of COnduct - I've not used gpg before
[03:51] <nikkia> hmmm
[03:51] <thoreauputic> maybe it's a test "You can't be a member without demonstrating your geek credentials by grokking gpg" :)
[03:51] <alfred300p> ok, tanghus. again, thanks for the help.
[03:51] <tanghus> alfred300p: np
[03:51] <nikkia> hmmm, must be nearly 3pm, i suddenly feel incredibly tired
[03:54] <alfred300p> nikkia: it is. at least, in Portugal.
[03:55] <nikkia> alfred300p: i know...
[03:55] <nikkia> its just i get really tired at 3pm every day
[03:56] <nikkia> and yes, i know that sounds like a seratonin imbalance, but i don't feel particularly depressed, or particularly happy, so *shrug*
[03:56] <alfred300p> oh. does daylight savings affect it?
[03:56] <nikkia> alfred300p: dunno, this has only been happening a couple of months
[03:57] <nikkia> its probably work-related stress
[03:57] <alfred300p> or just too little caffeine.
[03:58] <nikkia> heh
[03:59] <Phillemann> I want to add a font (tahoma.ttf) to use it in KDE. What do I have to do? Just copy the file to one of the font directories in xorg.conf?
[04:00] <nikkia> Phillemann: the easiest way...
[04:01] <nikkia> is to open two konqueror windows
[04:01] <nikkia> in one, find the .ttf file
[04:02] <nikkia> in the other, type fonts:/ in the location bar, and then select the personal font folder
[04:02] <nikkia> then drag the .ttf to that window, and it'll install it in your personal fonts directory, and enable it for use
[04:02] <Phillemann> Oh, I didn't know of a `fonts:/' directory. :)
[04:02] <Phillemann> Well, thank you, I'll try that.
[04:03] <nikkia> its a virtual directory, doesn't really exist, but its a konqueror abstraction to the font system in KDE
[04:03] <nikkia> (the fonts are usable in other X apps, not just KDE apps)
[04:04] <Bags> nikkia: When editing xorg.conf, I've got two sections where the graphics card is ahown, one is Section "Device" and the other is Section "Screen". In which of these two do I put the Option "SWCursor"?
[04:04] <nikkia> Bags, the 'Device' section
[04:05] <Bags> nikkia: Yah, I  put it there, but I'm getting the same thing happening. You typed Option "SWcursor" "True" Do I need to put an argument at the end?
[04:06] <nikkia> the "True" is the argument
[04:06] <nikkia> i said you might need to do an Option "HWcursor" "false"   too, you might want to give that a try
[04:06] <Bags> nikkia: I'll try that now.
[04:06] <nikkia> i'm not honestly sure what X does if it only finds one of those directives
[04:07] <nikkia> probably depends on the driver
[04:09] <_stef> I have a question about smartcard support under linux
[04:09] <_stef> Are there reader that function under Linux?
[04:09] <_stef> easy to setup?
[04:10] <_stef> Is authentication possible with smartcard under Linux?
[04:11] <Bags> nikkia: I put them both in there and sure enough, it's a winner. You are the end of a leg.
[04:11] <nikkia> i'm a foot ?
[04:11] <Bags> nikkia: A leg-end.
[04:11] <nikkia> or, worse, i'm an arse?
[04:13] <Bags> nikkia: Don't suppose you know if there's any configuration options that enable some sort of font smoothing for LCD screens in there, do you ?
[04:13] <nikkia> bags, i don't think its a config file option as such, you can enable it in kcontrol
[04:13] <nikkia> and in the past, you enabled it in the freetype config, i think X exposes the interface necessary, regardless
[04:16] <Bags> nikkia: I'm looking, but I can't find anything called kcontrol...?
[04:16] <nikkia> Bags, kcontrol is the KDE control center
[04:16] <nikkia> look in your KDE menu, it should have an item called 'Control Centre'
[04:18] <Bags> nikkia: Ok, it's in the fonts menu.
[04:18] <nikkia> Bag, yep
[04:18] <Bags> nikkia: I've switched it on, but it still looks yucky.
[04:18] <nikkia> Bags, it only affects new apps
[04:18] <nikkia> you may need to log out of KDE before you see a difference
[04:18] <Bags> nikkia: Cool.
[04:19] <nikkia> also, you may need to guess at your LCD's pixel layout :)
[04:19] <nikkia> some are RGB, some are BGR
[04:20] <nikkia> short of using a high power magnifying glass, or a loupe, i'm not sure of any way to find out besides trial and error
[04:23] <Gadjet> doesn't need to be that high power...
[04:24] <nikkia> Gadjet: on a modern 100 dpi screen, it has to be reasonably high power
[04:24] <Gadjet> good point, i haven't tried for at least 5 years :P
[04:25] <nikkia> and by 'high power' i mean 4x or so, most magnifying glasses aren't that high power
[04:25] <nikkia> most cheap ones aren't even 2x
[04:27] <nikkia> (remember, on a 100dpi screen, you're actually talking about looking at subpixels at 300dpi :)
[04:28] <nikkia> which is really 'quite small'...
[04:29] <Bags> nikkia: I reckon you guys are having a lend of me...
[04:29] <nikkia> my reasoning for 4x or so is this.... when i did my own photo processing, i found 10x was about the minimum power loupe you could see film grain with, film grain on 35mm is apparently about 700dpi, ergo, seeing something around half the resolution should require about half the power :)
[04:29] <Bags> nikkia: I've been changing these settings and restarting applications and I can't tell which one it is...
[04:30] <nikkia> bags, sub-pixel stuff is very subtle, its almost not worth bothering about, IMO
[04:32] <nikkia> bags, also, make sure you actually have font aliasing turned on, it defaults to excluding certain ranges of font sizes, if the apps are using those sizes, they won't be aliased at all, sub-pixels or otherwise :)
[04:56] <Bags> nikkia: I'm now trying to optimise the kernel for dual CPU.
[04:57] <Bags> nikkia: The guide I'm reading tells me that I should have a package called kernel-package in /use/local/src/, but it's empty and I can't find anything like it in the package manager.
[04:58] <Bags> nikkia: I'm getting a little nervous...
[04:58] <_frank_> Bags: you don't just want to install the smp kernel
[04:59] <Bags> _frank_ What's a smp kernel?
[04:59] <_frank_> the one you need for more than one processor
[05:00] <_frank_> you can install it with apt-get or synaptic
[05:00] <Bags> _frank_ Oh...
[05:00] <_frank_> you don't have to compile a new one unless you really want to ;-)
[05:02] <Bags> _frank_: So downloading and installing these package files will automatically install this kernel over the default one?
[05:02] <_frank_> yes
[05:02] <Bags> _frank_: Well, that seems a little easier...
[05:02] <_frank_> a little? I'd say a lot more easier!
[05:04] <Bags> _frank_: Well, I'm a little bewildered by all this stuff.
[05:04] <_frank_> what is your cpu?
[05:04] <Bags> _frank_: Dell Precision 220 Dual 900MHz PIII
[05:05] <Bags> _frank_: I've got a pretty wide variety of machines here, all getting the Kubuntu treatment.
[05:05] <_frank_> then sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp will take care of everything. You can also do it with synaptic or kynaptic
[05:06] <Bags> _frank_: G3 Powerbook (Lombard PPC), 500MHz Quicksilver Power Mac G4, the Dell, and I've got another Dell INspiron notebook that's sitting here looking at me saying "Linux me, please!"...
[05:07] <Bags> _frank_: Don't worry, I've got the Synaptic telling me it's got 1minute to go on that very package.
[05:08] <_frank_> ok I hope you can get all of that different hardware working.
[05:08] <Bags> _frank_: So far, so good.
[05:09] <Bags> _frank_: Biggest disappointment so far is the lack of Java plug-ins on the PPC machines.
[05:09] <_frank_> really? I don't know ppc
[05:09] <_frank_> !java
[05:09] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:09] <Bags> _frank_: Not as easy as that, I'm afraid.
[05:10] <Bags> _frank_: Some people have managed to do it, I've read, but it takes more than a humble and naive nnob like me to get it working.
[05:11] <Bags> noob, nnob, same thing
[05:11] <_frank_> it says there that the ibm java works with konqueror
[05:12] <_frank_> that is really annoying for ppc users
[05:12] <_frank_> no java in firefox
[05:12] <Bags> _frank_:Yeah, but how does one install the damn thing?
[05:12] <_frank_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPPC
[05:12] <_frank_> follow the instructions here?
[05:12] <Bags> _frank_I just don't understand all that gobbledygook about recompiling and gripgzing zapadoofing
[05:13] <_frank_> I understand...
[05:14] <Bags> _fran
[05:14] <Bags> _frank_ Can I speak to you privately?
[05:15] <_frank_> ok
[05:15] <_frank_> umm doesn't seem to work
[05:16] <Bags> _frank_Wait a sec...
[05:16] <Bags> _frank_I'll switch to the G3
[05:17] <m0ns00n> o
[05:17] <m0ns00n> :-)
[05:19] <frans-th> hi all
[05:19] <m0ns00n> Hello
[05:19] <frans-th> anyone can help me to rebrand kubuntu/ubuntu
[05:19] <m0ns00n> What do you mean?
[05:19] <m0ns00n> Rebrand?
[05:19] <frans-th> apokryp??? know someone
[05:19] <frans-th> rebrand is mean to rename the ubuntu name become our local name, but same repository
[05:19] <frans-th> like ubuntu -> kubuntu, it is rebrand right
[05:19] <frans-th> the indonesia goverment agree to make ubuntu become national distro, so all the country will use it
[05:20] <fredrik> hi have a question can i install a debian package i in kubuntu and if i can how do i do?
[05:20] <frans-th> but we must use indonesian name
[05:21] <frans-th> can help?
[05:24] <m0ns00n> frans-th: I have no idea how you do that - you must ask in #ubuntu
[05:24] <m0ns00n> That's the main distro channel
[05:24] <m0ns00n> Also, it's evening in europe at least, and friday, so alot of ppl are gonna be found drunk in bars soon ;-)
[05:31] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: [very belated]  64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=82.6 ms
[05:31] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: hah
[05:31] <apokryphos> big meany
[05:32] <nikkia> wha? its a 'friendly' greeting :P
[05:32] <apokryphos> I know I know :D
[05:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: lesson for today....
[05:32] <apokryphos> it's been an interesting ol' day 8)
[05:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you add a SATA RAID array to your system, be prepared for big headaches w/ GRUB
[05:33] <apokryphos> I'll remember to never do so; headaches = bad.
[05:33] <nikkia> (my SATA controller won't expose the drive as anything except a RAID array, so i have a 1 drive RAID 0+1 array)
[05:33] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: longest ping time in history - except for the guys who did a carrier pigeon transfer ;)
[05:33] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: better late than never ;-)
[05:33] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :)
[05:33] <apokryphos> Ubotu's seen doesn't say what their last sentence was
[05:33] <apokryphos> that always makes it more interesting
[05:34] <nikkia> thoreauputic: somehow, that reminds me of my greatest uptime achievement :P
[05:34] <apokryphos> oh wait, maybe he does for people when they're offline
[05:34] <nikkia> thoreauputic: 50-some years :P
[05:34] <apokryphos> !seen Riddell
[05:34] <ubotu> riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 11d 5h 4m 47s ago, saying: 'lets see if we can find any common ground between the evangelicals, the conservatives and the wishy washy europeans'.
[05:34] <nikkia> heh, wishy washy europeans, how funny
[05:34] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I was going to ask you something about gnupg, but I worked it out myself while I was waiting for your ack/ pong :P
[05:35] <jpatrick> grrr
[05:35] <apokryphos> Lucky I wasn't here; I probably wouldn't have known :D
[05:35] <jpatrick> I can't create an ISO from a CD
[05:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: a Quaker reference ;)
[05:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: he's at a Young Friends conference
[05:36] <fredrik> im trying to installe scons so that i can install dc++ i run kubuntu and i have downloaded the debian package from scons website but i dont know how to install it. Have triedinstall scons_0.96.1-0.1_all.deb but i get an message install: to few arguments(translated from swedish)? how should i install it?)
[05:36] <apokryphos> ohh, didn't know that; knew he was a  Quaker.
[05:36] <thoreauputic> I am too :)
[05:36] <apokryphos> So what are you doing here? ;-)
[05:36] <apokryphos> j/k
[05:37] <thoreauputic> apokryphos:  1) I'm not young 2) the conference is far away  ;)
[05:37] <bags> _frank_: If I'm to download that IBM Java thing, where should I put it?
[05:37] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Religion hardly seems to get into IRC at all (though Religion is everything :)); seems odd; most of my Internet talk was on Philosophy, and suffice it to say it comes in there a lot
[05:38] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: how old do you have to be?
[05:38] <bags> Where's the best place to put rpms for installation?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I prefer not to think of Quakerism as a religion - but mainly because of the connotations of that word
[05:39] <apokryphos> bags: Location is irrelevant, but you should really be using the debs
[05:39] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: but this is off topic and potentially complicated ;)
[05:39] <bags> apokryphos: Thanks for that, but they don't have any debs for this. The wiki says to download teh RPM and change it into a deb...
[05:39] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: many Christians say the same :). Definitions are generally hard; a recurring one is "organised worship". Of course, it has problems.
[05:39] <apokryphos> bags: go for it, then.
[05:39] <jpatrick> bags: alien
[05:39] <jpatrick> !alien
[05:39] <ubotu> alien is probably a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[05:40] <bags> Thanks guys. It actually instructs you to use alien
[05:41] <jpatrick> maybe I should use alien for KXDocker...
[05:41] <thoreauputic> can anyone confirm that https://launchpad.net/ is currently b0rked ?
[05:41] <apokryphos> 'tis
[05:42] <apokryphos> jpatrick: why not compile?
[05:42] <apokryphos> wouldn't take that long
[05:42] <jpatrick> apokryphos: I did
[05:42] <jpatrick> didn't want to compile a file for some reason :s
[05:42] <jpatrick> I tried 9 times to compile it
[05:43] <apokryphos> :/
[05:43] <apokryphos> jpatrick: what's the error?
[05:43] <apokryphos> If you're on Breezy it'll likely be quite a mission (depending on when you checked out your stuff) :)
[05:43] <jpatrick> Something about couldn't compile x.cpp which is needed by y.mod
[05:44] <jpatrick> I'm not on Breezy
[05:44] <apokryphos> Hard to judge with just that :D
[05:44] <jpatrick> And the debs didn't work either
[05:44] <apokryphos> what error there?
[05:45] <jpatrick> none
[05:45] <apokryphos> ubuntu debs?
[05:45] <jpatrick> no
[05:45] <jpatrick> from their site
[05:46] <jpatrick> :/
[05:46] <jpatrick> I didn't know there were Ubuntu debs for KXDocker
[05:46] <apokryphos> I didn't say there were :P. Probably not.
[05:47] <jpatrick> Do you have it?
[05:47] <apokryphos> nope
[05:47] <apokryphos> did at one point; I compiled though
[05:47] <jpatrick> It won't compile here
[05:48] <jpatrick> :/
[05:49] <bags> How does one add a line to .bashrc?
[05:49] <bags> What the heck is a .bachrc?
[05:49] <apokryphos> bags: a file in your ~
[05:49] <bags> apokryphos: Cool.
[05:49] <bags> apokryphos: Thanks.
[05:49] <jpatrick> ~
[05:50] <jpatrick> I couldn't install Kiso either
[05:51] <spiral> hi
[05:51] <jpatrick> lo
[05:58] <frogtone25> i need to know what is the name of that theme on kubuntu that makes the desktop look like mac os x
[05:59] <frogtone25> can anyone tell me this
[06:01] <amu> Baghira
[06:02] <frogtone25> ok thanks
[06:02] <frogtone25> where on synaptics can i find this
[06:02] <jpatrick> it's in the repos
[06:02] <frogtone25> i found it
[06:02] <frogtone25> thanks
[06:02] <amu> kwin-baghira
[06:03] <jpatrick> it's okay
[06:08] <jpatrick> okay...
[06:08] <jpatrick> I have a CD that's 3.1GBs
[06:09] <jpatrick> :/
[06:13] <amu> it looks more then a DVD :)
[06:14] <jpatrick> It isn't
[06:15] <jpatrick> I don't have a DVD-ROM
[06:15] <jpatrick> :/
[06:23] <_frank_> jpatrick: CDs do not store 3.1 GBs
[06:30] <jpatrick> _frank_: I know that
[06:30] <jpatrick> I can give a screenshot
[06:31] <jpatrick> As soon as I've burnt some files
[06:32] <_frank_> of what?
[06:33] <jpatrick> A screenshot of the CD's info
[06:46] <fredrik> Anybody know whats wrong!? have installed scons (apt-get install scons) and when i want to use it i get this message bash: scons: command not found!???
[06:50] <_frank_> fredrik: open a new shell
[06:51] <_frank_> fredrik: sometimes it takes a while to find new programs in the path
[07:00] <jpatrick> _frank_: http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot86hl.png
[07:01] <_frank_> jpatrick: what are the 6 subfolders? is the cd really an audio cd?
[07:01] <jpatrick> It is
[07:02] <jpatrick> Subfolder 1 = CDA 2) FLAC 3) Full CD) 4) Info 5) MP3 6) Ogg
[07:03] <m0ns00n> _frank_: You
[07:03] <m0ns00n> _frank_: you
[07:03] <m0ns00n> grr!
[07:03] <jpatrick> :/
[07:03] <m0ns00n> _frank_: You're running baghira?
[07:03] <_frank_> m0ns00n: no
[07:03] <jpatrick> I am
[07:03] <apokryphos> yuck :P
[07:04] <m0ns00n> _frank_: Anyhow one of the "lesser" themes based on Liquid - wonder how KDE would have looked today if Mosfet never left...
[07:04] <_frank_> jpatrick: that must not really exist... more like on the fly conversions to different formats
[07:04] <jpatrick> _frank_: and in the CD main dir are .wav files
[07:04] <apokryphos> m0ns00n: what happened with him?
[07:04] <apokryphos> good ol' Mosfet's Liquid
[07:04] <m0ns00n> Mosfets liquid was the best theme ever made - fully antialiased. The clones are an abomination. :)
[07:04] <_frank_> m0ns00n: I have no idea what you are talking about
[07:04] <m0ns00n> They have disregarded the smooth antialiased look and feel
[07:04] <apokryphos> :/
[07:05] <m0ns00n> And introduced pixelled and wacky implements
[07:05] <m0ns00n> They should be spanked ;)
[07:05] <m0ns00n> That aside, at least _somebody_ themes these days
[07:05] <m0ns00n> In the KDE 2.x and Gnome 1.x days, ALOT of great themes were about, today, almost none. Wonder why?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: can I pm you for a minute?
[07:06] <m0ns00n> Did the developers make it harder? I know for sure that it's next to impossible for a mere mortal to skin KDE
[07:06] <_frank_> jpatrick: there is no way the cds contains all of those formats for real
[07:06] <m0ns00n> GTK2 was supposed to have an advantage over GTK1 with theming, but nobody seems to care to theme it hehehe
[07:06] <jpatrick> Well I don't get it either
[07:07] <_frank_> jpatrick: that must not really exist... more like on the fly conversions to different formats
[07:07] <_frank_> jpatrick: one thing is for sure: its not actually 3.6 GB on one cd
[07:08] <jpatrick> hmm... :/
[07:08] <apokryphos> m0ns00n: well, it got more popular, didn't it. :)
[07:09] <jpatrick> But 3.6GB on a CD that would rock! :D
[07:11] <Xorlev> 3.6gb on an Audio DVD yes, not CD.
[07:13] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: Yes, but it's more boring :-) My KDE 2.2.2 desktop looked way cooler than this KDE 3.4.2 desktop does now
[07:13] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: Right now, Lipstik is the best KDE has to show
[07:13] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: And plastik
[07:13] <apokryphos> They're the only two I really use :)
[07:13] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: But those themes are at least basic.
[07:13] <apokryphos> indeed
[07:13] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: me too, because they are the only ones that look somewhat Final
[07:13] <m0ns00n> :-)
[07:13] <apokryphos> I want to change... look through kcontrol try a new one, always come back...
[07:13] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: Me too
[07:14] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: Which shows the sad state theming is in for KDE
[07:14] <apokryphos> It hasn't really improved in 3.5, which is kind of a downer
[07:14] <apokryphos> looks a little better
[07:14] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: Nowhere near the splendour of MacOS x. Have you seen the MaxOS x themes, like milk?
[07:15] <apokryphos> Briefly. Was quite thrown back; there's a lot of catching up to do :)
[07:15] <m0ns00n> That shows how far KDE has to go, - actually Gnome almost manages to use MacOS x like themes in GTK2
[07:15] <apokryphos> Though, I hate Baghira on KDE (really -- I have no idea how people use it). Yet it's so popular.
[07:15] <m0ns00n> I don't understand it either
[07:15] <m0ns00n> I posted about it
[07:15] <m0ns00n> They even have PIXELS which SCREAM at you
[07:15] <m0ns00n> Breaking the antialiased feel
[07:15] <m0ns00n> So it looks like an amateur deluxe mocked it up
[07:16] <m0ns00n> Liquid was really throuroughly made
[07:16] <m0ns00n> Like I said, my KDE 2.2.2 desktop looked better in many respects than KDE 3.4.2
[07:16] <apokryphos> :)
[07:16] <apokryphos> At least, I think KDE isn't too bad on the icon-front.
[07:19] <apokryphos> m0ns00n: are there plans really concentrating on theme/style, though, for kde4?
[07:19] <apokryphos> They seem to often remark that they aim to make kde "breathtakingly beautiful", but as we see, more stress seems to be on Oxygen
[07:27] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: yes, which doesn't matter - crystal is splendid as it is
[07:28] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: They need to do something breathtaking with the widget, that's where the magic is at
[07:28] <m0ns00n> apokryphos: And also, double buffered widgets, the ui has been flashing since conception, time to stop that and make a proper alphablended, antialiased and double buffered gui
[07:30] <apokryphos> good thoughts :)
[07:30] <apokryphos> and a *lot* of effort is going into Oxygen. Yeah, kind of a shame (perhaps they know better, who knows).
[07:31] <apokryphos> m0ns00n: I don't really use Crystal, as of late. The RAD icons and Amaranth are the only ones I use recently, really.
[07:31] <jpatrick> RAD?
[07:31] <apokryphos> some of the most perfect icons, yes. :)
[07:31] <jpatrick> never heard of them
[07:32] <apokryphos> kdelook; there are many collections. Very similar, of course.
[07:32] <apokryphos> not LGPL, IIRC.
[07:34] <jpatrick> Ah yeah I've heard of those
[07:44] <gdh> anyone upgraded to breezy and having odd font probs with GTK2 apps? specifically firefox...
[07:46] <jpatrick> lo nikkia
[07:46] <nikkia> evening
[07:46] <nikkia> just finished copying my /  partition :)
[07:46] <ztonzy> hey nikkia
[07:47] <ztonzy> how do one know if to use IP6v ?
[07:47] <nikkia> (actually, finished a while ago, just had to reinstall nvidia's driver, after rebuilding the kernel *BECAUSE I DIDN'T FREAKING INCLUDE SCSI-DISK SUPPORT* :P
[07:47] <Bicchi> i have been trying to upgrade kubuntu for the longest and it does not let me. I am using "sudo apt-get upgrade" and the packages are downloaded but fail when it gets to install them.
[07:48] <jpatrick> Bicchi: you should do apt-get dist-upgrade afaik
[07:48] <Bicchi> jpatrick: but what happened to the old method?
[07:48] <gdh> upgrade gets only new packages, dist-upgrade gets new policy, too.
[07:48] <nikkia> anyway, bbiab, going to copy /home now
[07:48] <gdh> new dependency packages, deletes deprecated ones...
[07:50] <Bicchi> i tried, "apt-get dist-upgrade afaik" and still does not work. The message is this: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[07:50] <gdh> there must be more of an error than that?
[07:50] <gdh> you can always apt-get clean to remove the downloaded packages and make it re-download them.
[07:51] <gdh> always apt-get update before an upgrade
[07:51] <Bicchi> i did that also
[07:51] <Bicchi> and still fails
[07:51] <gdh> I don't have an amd64 machine...
[07:51] <Bicchi> Here is the entire error:
[07:51] <Bicchi> Reading package lists... Done
[07:51] <Bicchi> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:51] <Bicchi> Calculating upgrade... Done
[07:51] <Bicchi> The following packages will be upgraded:
[07:51] <Bicchi>   ia32-libs
[07:51] <Bicchi> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:51] <Bicchi> 50 not fully installed or removed.
[07:51] <Bicchi> Need to get 7340kB of archives.
[07:51] <Bicchi> After unpacking 4096B disk space will be freed.
[07:51] <gdh> erk
[07:51] <Bicchi> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[07:51] <Bicchi> Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main ia32-libs 0.5ubuntu3.1 [7340kB]
[07:51] <Bicchi> Fetched 7340kB in 22s (320kB/s)
[07:51] <Bicchi> Preconfiguring packages ...
[07:52] <Bicchi> (Reading database ... 87214 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:52] <Bicchi> Preparing to replace ia32-libs 0.5ubuntu3 (using .../ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb) ...
[07:52] <Bicchi> Unpacking replacement ia32-libs ...
[07:52] <Bicchi> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[07:52] <Bicchi>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[07:52] <Bicchi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:52] <jpatrick> :/
[07:52] <gdh> Bicchi: www.pastebin.ca for this - don't flood the channel
[07:52] <Bicchi>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb
[07:52] <jpatrick> flood!!
[07:52] <Bicchi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:52] <jpatrick> okay...
[07:52] <Bicchi> sorry, first time here
[07:52] <jpatrick> brb
[07:52] <gdh> but, the real error is "error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory"
[07:53] <Bicchi> i am thinking of waiting for the next release of kubuntu to fix the problem.
[07:53] <Bicchi> do you know if i will have to reinstall it in order to get it.
[07:55] <gdh> Bicchi: I have no idea with anything 3D related :/ That file is related to OpenGL ...
[07:55] <m0ns00n> By the way
[07:55] <gdh> Bicchi: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=296248#post296248
[07:55] <gdh> ?
[07:55] <m0ns00n> How many gfx card manufacturers are there left?
[07:55] <m0ns00n> There used to be a plethora
[07:56] <m0ns00n> These days I get the picture that ATI and NVIDIA are the only big players
[07:56] <Bicchi> gdh: I am also running dual monitor but not using gfx drivers
[07:56] <gdh> m0ns00n: You're right :)
[07:56] <m0ns00n> gdh: Kinda sucks right ;-)
[07:56] <gdh> m0ns00n: Yeh, only two manufr's to complain about crappy drivers ;)
[07:57] <m0ns00n> gdh: 6.5 billion people, two companies
[07:57] <m0ns00n> gdh: Sounds like a bad hollywood action movie
[07:57] <m0ns00n> hehe
[07:57] <gdh> What's that new start? XGI or something?
[07:57] <m0ns00n> I dunno
[07:57] <gdh> aye http://www.xgitech.com/
[07:57] <gdh> Volari...
[07:57] <m0ns00n> How is Matrox doing?
[07:58] <gdh> was helping someone in here a few weeks ago get their volari card running
[07:58] <gdh> I've not heard much from Matrox recently
[07:58] <gdh> maybe they've specialised in high-end workstations / 2D / CAD...
[08:00] <m0ns00n> gdh: Volari looks interesing, is there any linux support?
[08:00] <m0ns00n> gdh: (3d)
[08:00] <gdh> I don't remember :) I was, er, rather drunk at the time :)
[08:00] <m0ns00n> Hehe
[08:00] <m0ns00n> I'm on my way there
[08:00] <m0ns00n> :-)
[08:00] <gdh> am just waiting for beer to cool
[08:01] <gdh> and now, time to make dinner
[08:01] <m0ns00n> Hehehe
[08:01] <m0ns00n> Make spaghetti and meat - saves you time
[08:01] <m0ns00n> Even better, pizza from the oven
[08:01] <m0ns00n> hehe
[08:01] <capra> Oh yeah
[08:01] <capra> agree with m0ns00n
[08:01] <m0ns00n> hehe
[08:02] <m0ns00n> Is Dolly Dimples an international trademark?
[08:02] <m0ns00n> Anyhow
[08:02] <m0ns00n> When you want something _really_ splendid, that's the solution
[08:02] <m0ns00n> hehe
[08:02] <capra> what is DD?
[08:03] <bozzu> when i try to install kubuntu i receive an error about amarok and apt-get stops. what can i do?
[08:03] <m0ns00n> www.dollydimples.no
[08:03] <m0ns00n> gmm
[08:03] <bozzu> i mean installing kubuntu-desktop from a running ubuntu system
[08:03] <m0ns00n> www.dolly.no
[08:04] <m0ns00n> bozzu: apt-get -f install
[08:04] <m0ns00n> bozzu: as super user
[08:05] <m0ns00n> bozzu: Are you upgrading from Ubuntu?
[08:06] <bozzu> m0ns00n: yes
[08:07] <bozzu> i get the same error
[08:08] <bozzu> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
[08:08] <bozzu>   kubuntu-desktop: Dipende: amarok ma non sta per essere installato
[08:08] <bozzu> E: Pacchetto non integro
[08:27] <Auxin> some german users in here?!
[08:30] <Auxin> mayday ;)
[08:33] <amu> wiso?
[08:36] <Auxin> amu, wie schauts denn aus wenn ich *.dbs nachinstallieren will?
[08:37] <Auxin> also.. ich lad mir die *.deb runter..
[08:37] <Auxin> und was mach ich dann damit?
[08:38] <amu> entweder so oder mit apt .. debs mit dpkg -i bla.deb
[08:38] <stef_> dpkg -i
[08:38] <Auxin> und graphisch?
[08:38] <Auxin> ber kynaptic?
[08:38] <Auxin> geht gar nix oder?
[08:39] <amu> einfach klicken :D btw. es gibt auch ein #kubuntu.de
[08:39] <gdh> m0ns00n: It's curry tonight :) v simple, cut onions + chicken, add curry paste, tomatoes and water.. simmer for 30 mins, serve with basmati =)
[08:39] <ibrahim> hi
[08:39] <stef_> the german channel is #kubuntu-de
[08:40] <Auxin> oh
[08:40] <Auxin> thx
[08:41] <ibrahim> i installed ubuntu and made a dist-upgrade to breezy and then i installed kdebase (and some other pkgs including the german pkg) but the whole thing isnt translated right.. what is the prob?
[08:41] <dazjorz> Someone has a good PHP editor ?
[08:42] <Tm_T> breezy
[08:42] <dazjorz> hehe
[08:42] <dazjorz> some PHP editor with colors or something
[08:42] <ibrahim> dazjorz, phpeclipse is good // i use kate
[08:42] <dazjorz> some special effects, maybe ^^
[08:42] <dazjorz> what's the difference ?
[08:43] <dazjorz> ibrahim: / \
[08:43] <gdh> doesn't Kate do that, too?
[08:43] <gdh> ah :)

[08:43] <dazjorz> what's the difference between phpeclipse and kate ?
[08:44] <gdh> one is a text editor, the other is a complete IDE perhaps? (guessing)
[08:44] <ibrahim> dazjorz, i dont kno the details but eclipse is too bloated with java and cvs ... i use kate for php writing thats it..
[08:45] <dazjorz> how to get phpeclipse ?
[08:46] <JensK> phpeclipse is a plugin for eclipse. look at eclipse-plugins.info there you can a lot of plugins
[08:46] <ibrahim> dazjorz, get java first and then eclipse and then that plugin
[08:46] <dazjorz> i'll do kate
[08:46] <dazjorz> or gedit
[08:48] <ibrahim> dazjorz, kate has more features.. but if u really want gtk then use chai/tea
[08:48] <dazjorz> chai/tea ?!
[08:48] <ibrahim> dazjorz, http://tea.linux.kiev.ua/
[08:52] <Bicchi> KDE 3.4.2 is not available for 64 bit machines?
[08:55] <amu> Bicchi: it is
[08:55] <ibrahim> here LC_ALL is not set i ve done a dist-upgrade .. bugs?
[08:56] <Bicchi> amu: so how do i upgrade it?
[08:57] <Bicchi> amu: http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php shows that kde 3.4.2 is only available for 32 bits machines
[08:57] <Bicchi> how did  you managed to get them installed?
[08:59] <amu> Bicchi: ic ... as i remember there are no backport packages for hoary
[09:00] <amu> for amd64
[09:00] <Bicchi> what does that mean?
[09:00] <gdh> Bicchi: Means you need to wait until October for breezy :)
[09:00] <amu> the offical kde version is 3.4 with hoary
[09:00] <Bicchi> so there is no way to upgrade
[09:01] <gdh> Bicchi: Sure, but you'd need to compile the entirely of KDE yourself.
[09:01] <Bicchi> gdh: in order to install breezy "in october :)" do i have to reinstall kubuntu. or will it be upgraded thru apt-get ?
[09:03] <amu> upgrad'able with apt-get ...
[09:03] <Bicchi> kde also?
[09:03] <amu> everything
[09:04] <Bicchi> so i guess i will wait until october and perhaps they will have an upgrade for kde in the breezy release for amd 64
[09:06] <gdh> seamless upgrade is one of the beauties of a debian-based system :)
[09:07] <gdh> you canbe sure amd64 will be supported in the official release in october
[09:07] <amu> Bicchi: sound fine, if you cant compile it for yourself
[09:07] <gdh> just as it was in hoary in April
[09:07] <Bicchi> i also hope that there will be flash for amd 64 but this more a macromedia related
[09:07] <gdh> Heh :)
[09:07] <gdh> there *IS* no 64-bit flash player
[09:07] <gdh> complain to macromediocre
[09:07] <Bicchi> gdh: i did, i also signed a petition online.
[09:08] <Bicchi> gdh: but can one do but wait.
[09:09] <Longkong> Hi :)
[09:09] <Bicchi> one last question. in order to upgrade in october do i have to download the cd or installing thru apt-get is enought?
[09:10] <Bicchi> that is installing breezy
[09:11] <gdh> Bicchi: everything through apt-get :)
[09:11] <amu> upgrading through apt-get
[09:11] <gdh> no new ISO needed
[09:11] <Bicchi> cool. thanks for all your help
[09:12] <Longkong> Is it possible with KDE to move windows over the screen and they go to the next "virtual screen"?
[09:13] <amu> alt-tab
[09:14] <Longkong> amu: hmm?
[09:14] <amu> press alt all times, than press "->" till you got he right window
[09:14] <Kleggas> what package do I need to install to be able to view a movie in kaffeine WITH subtitles?
[09:14] <Longkong> I want them to move to another Desktop, so if I move my window over the border of desktop 1, it should appear on the Desktop 2
[09:15] <amu> lonewolff: oh, missunderstood
[09:17] <Auxin> hey guys.. how do i've to edit the sources.list for kynaptic to read my downloaded *.debs?
[09:17] <dazjorz> !repositoriesadd
[09:17] <ubotu> dazjorz: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:17] <dazjorz> !addrepositories
[09:17] <ubotu> dazjorz: Wish i knew
[09:17] <dazjorz> !repositories
[09:17] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:17] <Auxin> lol
[09:17] <Auxin> thx dazjorz ;)
[09:18] <Kleggas> has anyone ever got subtitles to work in kaffeine?
[09:18] <dazjorz> ^^
[09:19] <Auxin> dazjorz, well ok with synaptic.. but with /kynaptic/ hehe
[09:20] <m0ns00n> Has kynaptic development been dropped?
[09:24] <dazjorz> auxin:  They probably both use the same file.
[09:37] <gsuveg> where can i add new wm to kdm ?
[09:44] <jjesse>  exit
[10:01] <frogtone25> i need to know where i can find a brushed metal color scheme for kde
[10:01] <frogtone25> kdelook.org doesnt have any
[10:02] <frogtone25> i need somewhere else to look for one
[10:03] <Tm_T> hum
[10:03] <Tm_T> how colour cheme can be "brushed"
[10:04] <Tm_T> frogtone25: ?
[10:05] <gdh> lots of bitmapped backgrounds
[10:05] <gdh> I suppose like Aqua?

[10:05] <Tm_T> it's not colour cheme then?
[10:05] <gdh> I think he meant theme
[10:05] <Tm_T> h
[10:05] <gdh> select your level of pedantry, etc. :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> yeah =)
[10:06] <Tm_T> I ate this keyboard
[10:06] <Tm_T> hate
[10:06] <gdh> yum :)
[10:06] <gdh> haha =0
[10:06] <Tm_T> bah
[10:06] <frogtone25> yeah
[10:06] <Tm_T> as you can see, h is misfunctioning
[10:06] <frogtone25> i need a color scheme that is like brushed metal on mac os x
[10:07] <Tm_T> ah, you need style, not colour scheme
[10:08] <gdh> I have a keyboard where the 't' key is broken - and the number of times I try to login as 'roo' ...
[10:08] <Tm_T> be specific or I can't stop making fun ;)
[10:08] <Tm_T> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/
[10:08] <gdh> well, not broken, but needs to be pressed really hard
[10:09] <Tm_T> gdh: yeah, use te force!
[10:09] <Tm_T> the?
[10:09] <Tm_T> bah
[10:09] <gdh> LOL
[10:09] <Tm_T> haha
[10:10] <Tm_T> frogtone25: there's style&windeco :)
[10:13] <frogtone25> i went to that site
[10:13] <frogtone25> baghira.com
[10:13] <frogtone25> or something
[10:13] <frogtone25> im gonna do all that it says so i can make this puppy look just like a mac
[10:13] <gdh> you poor misguided fool =)
[10:14] <frogtone25> do what
[10:14] <frogtone25> im misguided
[10:14] <gdh> but each to their own =)
[10:14] <frogtone25> ok
[10:14] <gdh> I hope frogtone isn't the 'Crazy Frog' ringtone
[10:14] <gdh> ning-ning-ning-ni-ni-ni-.....
[10:15] <Tm_T> shut up!
[10:15] <gdh> haha :) There are more annoying adverts too on satellite / cable...
[10:16] <gdh> Some really loud + obnoxious twat advertising double glazing...
[10:16] <gdh> "You buy one, you get one free, I say *YOU BUY ONE, YOU GET ONE FREE!!*"
[10:16] <gdh> aiiiiieee
[10:16] <gdh> nikkia: Ooh, a Raptou - this would sell on eBay :)
[10:16] <nikkia> *I ONLY HAVE ONE WINDOW, YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD*
[10:17] <nikkia> woo, finally
[10:17] <Tm_T> err?
[10:17] <nikkia> they finally invented a 512MB memory card for my phone!!
[10:17] <gdh> isn't technology great ? :)
[10:18] <Tm_T> whoa
[10:18] <nikkia> when i bought it, '128MB is as big as they can be'
[10:18] <nikkia> (it came with a 64MB card)
[10:20] <hussam> If I uninstall firestarter + dpkg --purge firestarter, I should still be protected but Iptables firewall, correct?
[10:20] <Tm_T> yes
[10:21] <hussam> since firestarter is just a config tool?
[10:21] <nikkia> yes
[10:21] <nikkia> and not an exceptionally good one at that, IMO
[10:21] <hussam> but all my config changes will remain?
[10:22] <Tm_T> I use it because I haven't seen better yet
[10:22] <nikkia> until you reboot
[10:22] <nikkia> or you can use iptables-save to dump the rules to a file, and iptables-restore to load that file
[10:22] <nikkia> tm_t, you're better off learning how to write iptables rules
[10:23] <hussam> nikkia: so I  iptables-save to config file, reboot then iptables-restore config file ?
[10:23] <Tm_T> nikkia: yeah, but I can't follow "attacks" as easily afaik
[10:23] <nikkia> hussam: yes, i don't think kubuntu's init scripts auto-save/load, so you have to iptables-restore after boot
[10:23] <Tm_T> and I like to cange rules often
[10:24] <Tm_T> h
[10:24] <nikkia> hussam, i modified my iptables startup script so it acts a little like the alsa scripts - saves on shutdown, restores on startup
[10:24] <hussam> nikkia: but I'm definitely still protected by iptables in either case
[10:24] <nikkia> hussam, iptables won't protect you without any rules loaded....
[10:25] <nikkia> but yes, iptables is still there, if you uninstall firestarter :)
[10:25] <hussam> nikkia: so iptables without an frontend like firestarter doesn't do any protection?
[10:26] <nikkia> hussam, yes, it does, if it has rules defined
[10:26] <hussam> nikkia: by default, it doesn't have rules?
[10:26] <nikkia> hussam, correct
[10:26] <Tm_T> yup
[10:27] <gdh> hussam: simply type 'iptables-save' - if you see lots of rules, then whatever firestarter did is still present.
[10:27] <nikkia> gdh, note, that won't actually *save* the rules
[10:27] <gdh> nope
[10:27] <gdh> just output to stdout
[10:27] <nikkia> iptables-save just dumps the current rules to the output, in a format that can be reloaded
[10:28] <nikkia> ahaha!
[10:29] <nikkia> i've spent ages tonight looking for my BF1942 CD1
[10:29] <Tm_T> and?
[10:29] <hussam> shouldn't be in the kubuntu documentation that iptables has no predefined rules?
[10:29] <nikkia> then it occurred to me... look in the DVD-ROM drive you took out of your PC a year ago
[10:29] <hussam> because I always thought it does
[10:29] <nikkia> sure enough, it was sat in the tray :P
[10:30] <Tm_T> hussam: well, so you wan't someone rule how your connection works?
[10:32] <gdh> Tm_T: I guess once again it's pandering to Microsoft since MS's Firewall is on by default.. so everyone else should do the same...
[10:32] <gdh> The fault in the logic being Windows is buggy shit :)
[10:32] <nikkia> gdh, iptables is 'on' by default
[10:33] <Tm_T> =)
[10:33] <nikkia> personally, i think blocking stuff thats useful by default would be an insanely bad idea
[10:33] <gdh> nikkia: 'on' with what ruleset?
[10:33] <Tm_T> yup
[10:33] <Tm_T> insult to me
[10:33] <nikkia> i can see the dozens of people asking in here 'why doesn't apache work?' already
[10:34] <Tm_T> =)
[10:34] <nikkia> i mean, ffs, the installer even tells them that they have to use sudo with their user password...
[10:34] <gdh> :))
[10:34] <nikkia> we still get dozens each week asking the same f'ing question
[10:34] <gdh> WHAT IS TEH R00T PASWURD LOLOLOL
[10:34] <Tm_T> =)
[10:35] <Tm_T> :/
[10:35] <Tm_T> :'(
[10:35] <Tm_T> sucky
[10:35] <gdh> yeh, a sad indication that nobody reads any documentation
[10:35] <gdh> unless it flashes in front of them in big red letters
[10:35] <Tm_T> then it's spam
[10:35] <gdh> and even then if it's more than 2 linesof text, or more than 2 seperate flashing signs, it'll get ignored
[10:36] <Tm_T> :'(
[10:36] <gdh> sad but true, assume the user has no intelligence whatsoever :/
[11:16] <gdh> Riddell: <wave>
[11:17] <Riddell> doods
[11:17] <apokryphos> :-O
[11:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: hey! :)
[11:17] <apokryphos> we've missed you =)
[11:18] <Riddell> apokryphos: missed you too baby
[11:18] <gdh> <romantic music>
[11:18] <apokryphos> Riddell: how was your time away? All good?
[11:18] <Riddell> actually I'm still away, I'm just at a computer conference now
[11:19] <apokryphos> ahh
[11:19] <ztonzy> apokryphos, !
[11:19] <ztonzy> hi Riddell
[11:19] <apokryphos> Had questions I'd wanted to ask, but I forget now :P
[11:20] <apokryphos> ztonzy: heey
[11:20] <Riddell> yo ztonzy
[11:20] <ztonzy> with computermonitor and 2 bones as a cross
[11:20] <apokryphos> heh
[11:20] <ztonzy> hehe
[11:20] <ztonzy> funny is...I saw some pics last evening same logos
[11:20] <ztonzy> on the net
[11:21] <apokryphos> Riddell: is Breezy going to have 3.4.2?
[11:21] <gdh> It's a shame 3.5 is scheduled for late October :/
[11:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: already does for kdelibs, kdebase is waiting on xmkmf existing again
[11:22] <apokryphos> right
[11:22] <Riddell> gdh: agreed
[11:22] <apokryphos> I'm sure with Kubuntu's talent we'll have 3.5 .debs out soon anyway :D
[11:22] <gdh> What sort of timescale is envisaged for KDE4? 12 months? more?
[11:23] <ztonzy> http://flickr.com/photos/18307416@N00/31315261/in/photostream/
[11:23] <apokryphos> Some predictions were saying late Autumn next year, yeah
[11:23] <ztonzy> looky
[11:24] <apokryphos> ztonzy: so what's that?
[11:24] <ztonzy> apokryphos, some nerd conference/gatherign
[11:24] <Riddell> no date for KDE 4 yet, getting it by october 2006 would be cool (KDE's 10th birthday) but probably will take longer
[11:24] <ztonzy> gathering*
[11:24] <apokryphos> heh
[11:25] <apokryphos> Adept is looking like it has good potential; happy it's replacing Kynaptic. :)
[11:25] <gdh> do they still do 16k demos at the gathering?
[11:26] <gdh> uh oh have I given my age away? :)
[11:32] <gdh> apokryphos: yeh I think various people here have provided m0rnfall will suggestions for it :)
[11:32] <gdh> (me included)
[11:33] <apokryphos> Me too :). It's good; it'll help the app improve
[11:33] <gdh> first being that unlike Kynaptic it should actually have features :)
[11:33] <apokryphos> heh
[11:33] <apokryphos> Still a far way off from some dreams of cool things like app screenshots, or sorting things by applications rather than packages etc
[11:33] <apokryphos> but there is progress 8)
[11:34] <gdh> yup, it's an active project with an enthusiastic devel, which is usually half the battle won
[11:35] <apokryphos> if you don't have it your app isn't going to go far, most likely
[11:35] <apokryphos> ooo family here, be back in a bit.
[11:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: problem is, it wanes fast when things get tricky
[11:35] <gdh> yeh it's very sad - so many promising sourceforge projects half-finished :/
[11:36] <gdh> or worse, barely started
[11:36] <nikkia> IME its usually the ones that start off really enthusiastic that end up being those half-finished apps on sf.net, but thats just ME
[11:37] <gdh> well if it happens we can all call m0rnfall a fader :)
[11:41] <ttyS0> hello. i've a problem with russian encodings in KDE. i've installed KDE not a long time ago (i prefered Gnome). A Big part  of apps is working normally, but there are problems with internet application, for example Kopete. It doesn't show russian nicknames in ICQ. What should I do?
[11:51] <_root> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:56] <Tm_T> hmh