[06:46] <dpm> good morning
[08:11] <czajkowski> morning
[08:12] <elfy> morning czajkowski
[14:15] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: ping
[14:30] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119:   pong
[14:31] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: you setup a G+ profile for ubuntu on air, right?
[14:31] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: yep!
[14:32] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: can you help popey? He's trying to make a G+ profile for the 'ubuntudevelopers' youtube account
[14:32] <popey> interesting
[14:32] <popey> how did you do that without falling foul of the names policy?
[14:34] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: sure
[14:34] <mhall119> thanks JoseeAntonioR
[14:34] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: lol, seems like OnAir is an acceptable last nane
[14:34] <JoseeAntonioR> name*
[14:35] <AlanBell> why not do it as a page?
[14:35] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe you can try with Devels as last name
[14:35] <popey> AlanBell, a page can't do a hangout
[14:35] <popey> and a page cant own a youtube channel
[14:35] <JoseeAntonioR> right
[14:36] <mhall119> AlanBell: I'd be so much happier if we could
[14:36] <JoseeAntonioR> have you tried with Ubuntu as first name and Devels as last name?
[14:36] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe once it's set you can change it to Developers
[14:36] <popey> problem is if we fall foul of the policy they could delete the account
[14:37] <bkerensa> hmm
[14:37] <popey> arf
[14:37] <popey> ubuntu devels is a valid name :D
[14:37] <bkerensa> to go to sabdfl's keynote or not to go
[14:37] <JoseeAntonioR> but they will notice we're using their products and names to promote Ubuntu, which is benefitial for them
[14:37] <mhall119> bkerensa: go
[14:37] <JoseeAntonioR> yay!
[14:37] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: you should go!
[14:37] <popey> bkerensa, you will miss out if you dont go :)
[14:37] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: he should come to my talk ;)
[14:37] <popey> its a special one :)
[14:37] <bkerensa> LOL
[14:37] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: I should go to the states again
[14:38] <bkerensa> special in that I know exactly what he is demo'ing :P
[14:38] <popey> exactly
[14:40] <popey> https://plus.google.com/106444347441655641162/posts
[14:41] <JoseeAntonioR> great, if they complain send them an email telling what I told you
[14:42] <s-fox> hello folks
[14:43] <popey> hah
[14:49] <cprofitt> hello all
[14:49] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa, jcastro: we need to run a private test session, when are you free/back from OSCON?
[14:55] <dpm> marcoceppi, jcastro, around for an Ask Ubuntu API question?
[14:56] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: I will be taking a vacay starting Friday night ;) will be back the 25th... Im not sure we need a test session though we have done a Ubuntu on Air in the past
[14:57] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: bdmurray asked for one
[14:58] <bkerensa> huh well check with jcastro maybe he will be up for it but I'm going to be recovering Friday
[14:59] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, np
[16:02] <akgraner> popey you can start a hangout from a Google +page but it will like to the person who starts the hangouts youtube account if it is on air - however, I just set up our Linaro Stuff to over come that - happy to help on this side if you all still need some help
[16:03] <akgraner> this way our session from connect can go to the Linaro youtube channel and not the individual tech leads or my channel
[16:19] <mhall119> everyone can watch Mark's keynote at OSCON here: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/content/video
[16:25] <marcoceppi> dpm: what's up?
[16:25] <dpm> hey marcoceppi, I wanted to ask you if it's possible to get some askubuntu stats, I've started drafting an e-mail, just a sec...
[16:30] <Kilos> hi all
[16:32] <dpm> marcoceppi, e-mail sent
[16:56] <jcastro> huh?
[16:56] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: why another irc channel for the onair thing?
[17:33] <dpm> calling it a day, see you all tomorrow!
[18:23] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: because #ubuntu-on-air has its dedicated bot, we can have an on air session and a class at the same tiem
[18:23] <jcastro> why do we need a bot?
[18:24] <JoseeAntonioR> process questions, auto-update the topic with speakers and the link
[18:25] <jcastro> ok so the whole point was to use new technology
[18:25] <jcastro> but whatever, I'll suffer
[18:25] <JoseeAntonioR> lol
[18:25] <jcastro> the idea is for normal people to be able to participate
[18:25] <jcastro> not make them use IRC
[18:25] <JoseeAntonioR> the problem is we can't have more than 10 people live
[18:25] <jcastro> but they can comment on you tube, etc.
[18:25] <JoseeAntonioR> erm, is there any way to kick people from hangouts?
[18:26] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe we can invite them, they ask, and they get "kicked"
[18:26] <jcastro> we can just have them ask questions on the youtube comments like we did last time
[18:27] <JoseeAntonioR> that's why we have the bot, to process questions
[18:27] <JoseeAntonioR> they can ask during the session, and the speaker will be able to accept/reject questions
[18:27] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: oi I'm normal and use irc!
[18:27] <jcastro> well, last time we just read the questions on air
[18:28] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: but, I've got a comment on my blog post, let me paste it
[18:28] <jcastro> czajkowski: oh hey, am I going to hear back on the governance or am I like basically thumbs up because we don't make people members?
[18:28] <czajkowski> jcastro: no we only had  a chance to discuss it last thursday on thehangout
[18:28] <czajkowski> and I've been sick
[18:28] <jcastro> okey
[18:28] <jcastro> so I'll hear something back eventually?
[18:28] <czajkowski> jcastro: but it's a go knock yourself out :)
[18:29] <jcastro> oh ok, \o/
[18:29] <JoseeAntonioR> but … does this mean that there will be less information in the IRC channel and that you HAVE to use the google thing to get the whole story? Will all future classroom sessions work like this – has any thought for those of us that don’t get broadband been taken into account ?
[18:29] <jcastro> well if the person wants to use IRC he can go to normal IRC sessions?
[18:30] <JoseeAntonioR> that would annoy some people who have low bandwith or limited internet access
[18:30] <jcastro> if this was just irc we'd call it "ubuntu classroom", not ubuntu on air
[18:30] <jcastro> this isn't replacing the other IRC stuff, it's supplementing it
[18:30] <JoseeAntonioR> right
[18:31] <JoseeAntonioR> i've answered that
[18:31] <JoseeAntonioR> I refer to the first and last questions
[18:34] <elfy> hi - I wasn't actually asking for me JoseeAntonioR - was more thinking about people were broadband is not so common :)
[18:34] <JoseeAntonioR> elfy: of course, I get the point
[18:34] <elfy> k:)
[18:34] <JoseeAntonioR> I have an idea
[18:35] <elfy> I'm all for new things - I even support people on AU :)
[18:35] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: Others in the hangout will be given the option to block the person as well. If everyone else blocks the person, they will be removed from the hangout.
[18:35] <JoseeAntonioR> and then we can unblock the person
[18:35] <jcastro> no, people won't be joining the hangout
[18:35] <jcastro> just the instructors, etc.
[18:36] <JoseeAntonioR> then, what did you mean by people interacting live?
[18:36] <jcastro> people post on the youtube comments
[18:36] <jcastro> or on twitter or wherever
[18:36] <jcastro> and we just answer the questions
[18:37] <JoseeAntonioR> then we can do that, and also get the questions on irc for people who want to stay with the old method
[18:37] <JoseeAntonioR> it's just a matter of pasting the questions
[18:38] <JoseeAntonioR> but yeah, that's what we're going to do
[18:42] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: maybe we can get a social stream in ubuntuonair.com, so people can participate over there
[18:43] <jcastro> it worked fine before
[18:43] <jcastro> let's not start writing new tools and stuff, let's keep lightweight and stuff
[18:45] <mhall119> moar webapps!
[18:47] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: would you like an account in ubuntuonair.com, so you can update the youtube embed link?
[18:48] <jcastro> not really. :)
[18:48] <jcastro> we can sort that early next week
[18:49] <jcastro> I just got back and I'm catching up
[18:49] <jcastro> the icon looks good btw
[18:49] <jcastro> since popey bailed on us. :p
[18:49] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[18:49] <JoseeAntonioR> i'll be mostly free next week, I only have to go to school for 4h
[18:59] <popey> hmm?
[19:00] <popey> jcastro, http://ubuntuonair.com/ note the icon
[19:00] <jcastro> yeah
[19:00] <jcastro> did you make that?
[19:01] <balloons> ohh jcastro your having an alpha release event eh?
[19:02] <jcastro> yeah
[19:02] <jcastro> I still think it's too early, but whatever, shrug
[19:02] <jcastro> nothing really interesting has landed yet
[19:02] <balloons> software-properties landed
[19:02] <balloons> which is really cool
[19:03] <balloons> and of course ,now webapps and unity
[19:03] <jcastro> yeah but you can't do a 2 hour show on software-properties
[19:03] <balloons> ohh u can't? :-)
[19:03] <jcastro> and webapps is still in PPA land but we can talk about it
[19:03] <balloons> but I hear you.. it's going to be a tidal wave.. very soon
[19:04] <jcastro> welll, with my luck lately
[19:04] <jcastro> we'll do the show on thursday
[19:04] <jcastro> and on friday the unity team will land a bunch of stuff
[19:06] <mhall119> lol
[19:24] <popey> jcastro, I got a guy to make it for me
[21:07] <nigelb> popey: around?
[21:08] <popey> yes
[21:08] <nigelb> what does the webapp stuff use for launching the browser?
[21:08] <popey> ask in #ubuntu-webapps
[21:08] <popey> :)
[21:08] <nigelb> aha, thanks
[21:42] <greg-g> pleia2: hey! I'm doing some work right now outside of the F150 room, but we should get together today!


[08:19] <carthik_work> gnome-desktop-environment has a lot of associated baggage, kirkt
[08:19] <kirkt> guys: coldn't find either
[08:19] <Dull404> carthik_work, , well.. ok ;) what is the server/dir for "universe" ?
[08:20] <kirkt> gnome-desktop-environment no such thing
[08:20] <carthik_work> Dull404, same as the other ones, with universe instead of whatever else...
[08:20] <Lathiat> Sorry guys -- I have to go
[08:20] <Dull404> Lathiat: i take Repos in the menu. This worked before, but now with the latest synaptic it aint
[08:20] <carthik_work> Dull404, universe instead of main for example
[08:20] <Lathiat> Dull404: weird, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <Lathiat> look for the line like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/.... main
[08:21] <Lathiat> and add "universe" after main restricted
[08:21] <Lathiat> then sudo apt-get update
[08:21] <Dull404> Lathiat: ok.. thanks
[08:21] <hikaru79> Can evolution read RSS feeds?
[08:21] <dtyge1> jspr: it worked! after I restarted gnome, it worked! thanks a lot, guy!
[08:22] <JsPr> dtyge1, your welcome. Ubuntu feeling! :-)
[08:22] <dtyge1> yes...;)
[08:22] <Lathiat> hikaru79: no, try blam or straw
[08:22] <hikaru79> Lathiat, thanks.
[08:23] <kirkt> dtyge1: im selling an african drum
[08:23] <kirkt> with an ubuntu insignia on it
[08:23] <kirkt> :)
[08:23] <kirkt> only $4.99
[08:23] <dtyge1> dum, dum du-durum-dum!
[08:23] <dtyge1> what about "freedom" as in speech?
[08:24] <dtyge1> $4.99 ?? free-dom, dum, dom, dum...
[08:24] <kirkt> what
[08:24] <kirkt> even freedom has a price
[08:24] <dtyge1> for services, not for ideas...
[08:24] <dtyge1> copyleft...
[08:24] <kirkt> anyways i have a stockload of drums
[08:25] <Dull404> How can I get back the previus version of synaptic? this latest update works strange.....
[08:25] <dtyge1> :)
[08:25] <dtyge1> Folks, my next task is: How can I install apache-php-mysql in ubuntu? I tried thousand ways, and couldn't install php4. Mysql is sccessfully installed, and also mysql. Ok.  I apt-getted gcc and make and binutils
[08:27] <kirkt> i couldnt find another rhym
[08:27] <JsPr> :-)
[08:27] <Dull404> thenuke build essentials ?
[08:27] <kirkt> dtyge1 what about searching for php in the repository
[08:28] <kirkt> then installing and configuring like the php readme says ?
[08:28] <dtyge1> kirkt, I looked for that... problems with dependencies...
[08:28] <kirkt> php has problems with dependency ?
[08:28] <JDahl> dtyge1, was one of your thousand attempts "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4" ?
[08:28] <kirkt> then grap a tgz
[08:28] <dtyge1> kirkt, I already installed php-apache-mysql thousand times.. but not in ubuntu.
[08:28] <kirkt> hum
[08:28] <dtyge1> jDahl. Yes: maybe this was the number 499 attempt.
[08:29] <kirkt> i know how to do it the freebsd way, and the normal (non-package-managed) way
[08:29] <kirkt> why would it be more difficult in debians great apt system
[08:29] <dtyge1> kirkt: if I grap the tgz, the directories go all in different places than the "debian way"
[08:29] <stuNNed> because debian wants to be different?
[08:29] <dtyge1> stunned: maybe...
[08:30] <stuNNed> does debian comply with the LSB?
[08:30] <kirkt> dtyge1 what about getting apache, php, mysql each alone ?
[08:30] <kirkt> damn
[08:30] <kirkt> my install get stuck in the window manager initialization screen
[08:30] <tiM`> question:  can I add debian apt repositories to ubuntu without badly breaking it, and if so, which ones would you recommend?
[08:30] <tiM`> woody/sid/sarge
[08:31] <koloqrilizm> does anyone know if the kernel source 2.6.10 is available as a package for ubuntu?
[08:31] <dtyge1> kirkt: i've done that in "pure debian", and had some problems with different directory settings... the "debian way"
[08:32] <snap16> New user to ubuntu and have a question about an x on my desktop.
[08:32] <jinx_> hey guys - how do I go about installing Eterm or Aterm on my brand new ubuntu installation.. - I can't find it in synaptic
[08:33] <koloqrilizm> jinx_, eterm.org has the source
[08:33] <kirkt> arghhhh
[08:33] <kirkt> i dont know whats wrong
[08:33] <carthik_work> jinx_, I did an apt-get install aterm the other day, for fluxbox
[08:33] <kirkt> my gnome get stuck
[08:33] <koloqrilizm> jinx_, what makes you want eterm over gnome-terminal?
[08:34] <Atrophy> I just updated and now when I login it says HAL failed to load... what is HAL?
[08:34] <JDahl> jinx_, maybe it's in universe
[08:34] <Atrophy> Hardware Abstraction Layer, correct?
[08:34] <jinx_> JDahl: it is
[08:34] <JsPr> Atrophy, yes
[08:34] <jinx_> JDahl: I don't know what that is :)
[08:34] <jinx_> <-- new to ubuntu as of 10 minutes ago...
[08:34] <Atrophy> hmm... that one's kind of important...
[08:34] <JDahl> jinx_, you need to enable universe either via synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <koloqrilizm> jinx_, you know gnome-terminal can do transparencies too just in case thats your motive, it certianly was mine
[08:35] <koloqrilizm> does anyone know if the 2.6.10 kernel is available as a package? apt-get -t unstable install kernel-source-2.6.10 doesnt work
[08:35] <Atrophy> alright I'll reinstall it and see if that does the trick
[08:36] <koloqrilizm> and synaptic only lists kernel sources up to 2.6.7
[08:36] <Atrophy> w00t!  It verked!
[08:36] <koloqrilizm> which is odd considering warty comes with 2.6.8
[08:37] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  look for linux-image not kernel-inage
[08:37] <zenrox> image
[08:37] <wdh> how would one install a single package from hoary in a warty box? without messing up the complete system that is..
[08:37] <koloqrilizm> zenrox, i'm looking for source tho
[08:37] <spike> hi there
[08:37] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, the source is thare
[08:37] <spike> I was reading from http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[08:37] <spike> but those pkgs aren't available
[08:38] <spike> neither libdvdcss2 or w32codes
[08:38] <spike> any idea?
[08:38] <zenrox> spike,  add the univeres repos
[08:38] <spike> I already added universe and multiverse
[08:38] <koloqrilizm> zenrox as an image?
[08:38] <spike> zenrox: already done that
[08:38] <Atrophy> why does the multiverse list rediculously outdated versions of stuff as the current version?
[08:38] <zenrox> spike thate is another one dont know it off the top of my head
[08:38] <spike> zenrox: any other idea? should I remove the multiver and restricted?
[08:38] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  no as source
[08:39] <spike> oh, ok
[08:39] <koloqrilizm> zenrox hmm, i can't find anything past 2.6.8
[08:39] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, warty or hoary
[08:39] <koloqrilizm> do i need to turn on something besides universe and ubuntu archive?
[08:39] <koloqrilizm> warty
[08:39] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  thats the highest you get with warty
[08:40] <koloqrilizm> zenrox is it possible to get higher anyway?
[08:40] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  only if you upgrade to hoary
[08:40] <n3wbi3> how do you upgrade to hoary?
[08:40] <zenrox> or get the souce your self
[08:40] <BiteMeBill> If I manually copied the build essential deb to a computer with no network access what is the command to install the deb?
[08:40] <zenrox> n3wbi3,  why do you want to upgrade to hoary
[08:40] <koloqrilizm> ive learned over the past few days vanilla tar kernel sources don't go well with ubuntu
[08:40] <BiteMeBill> dpkg?
[08:41] <thenuke> what might be the X11 development packages name :I
[08:41] <zenrox> BiteMeBill,  dpkg -i name of the .deb
[08:41] <n3wbi3> i just installed ubuntu about an hour ago, and it told me that it couldn't load up gnome for me because Xfree86 was too old and not supported
[08:41] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: Thanks...
[08:41] <koloqrilizm> how successful would a make oldconfig be with 2.6.8 using a config from 2.6.10
[08:41] <koloqrilizm> ?
[08:41] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, DONT KNOW
[08:41] <G2> if my sources.list always point to hoary, will I always be running  development distro or will it become stable when hoary is released, like rawhude in Redhat/Fedora
[08:41] <zenrox> whoops
[08:41] <koloqrilizm> right
[08:42] <koloqrilizm> me neither
[08:42] <jinx_> JDahl: thanks - i got it working
[08:42] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  have you read the wiki board on how to compile a kernel for ubuntu
[08:42] <n3wbi3> i have no gui, and all i'm left with is console (which i'm not too familiar with)
[08:43] <JsPr> wdh, put Hoary repositories in apt sources and choose a single package. Be aware of what apt whant to install. It might complicate / break something else. Check www.ubuntuforums.org for repositories.
[08:43] <zenrox> G2,  yep
[08:43] <koloqrilizm> zenrox nope, got a link?
[08:43] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[08:43] <G2> zenrox, always development?
[08:43] <zenrox> search for kernel compile
[08:44] <koloqrilizm> ok thanks
[08:44] <zenrox> G2, devel till it goes gold then you dist upgrade to the next devel os
[08:44] <koloqrilizm> in synaptic, i'm showing a linux-image already installed, but there no 2.6.8 source on my computer
[08:44] <G2> zenrox, ok, cool.
[08:45] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  look in the development section of snyaptic
[08:45] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, or search for linux and it will be thare
[08:46] <koloqrilizm> zenrox, how do i look in the devel section?
[08:48] <BiteMeBill> Grrrr.
[08:48] <BiteMeBill> Anyone know if it's possible to share internet connection through USB's?
[08:48] <JDahl> n3wbi3, did you install warty? what happens if you try "X"? (if it goes to gfx mode, you kill it with CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE)/
[08:48] <BiteMeBill> wit ubunutu
[08:48] <zenrox> bbl gots to go to work
[08:48] <koloqrilizm> zenrox: i dont know what you mean by look in development secition
[08:49] <Levander> What's the easiest way to search the ubuntu reposities? i mean the repositories main, restrice, multiverse, and universe?
[08:49] <n3wbi3> yeah i installed warty.  i just type "x" in console, you mean?
[08:49] <JDahl> Levander, apt-cache search if you have them in sources.list?
[08:49] <JDahl> n3wbi3, yes, "X" in the console
[08:50] <Levander> don't have them in sources.list, would really only like to add them if they have several packages I want
[08:50] <n3wbi3> one more question.  i think i might not have internet when i'm on my linux partition...so how do i find out for certain if i do or not?
[08:50] <dtyge1> Folks: about my everlasting problem with apache-mysql-php4 under linux. Look what it says: "php4:
[08:50] <dtyge1>  Depends on: libapache-mod-php4 but it is not going to be installed or libapache2-mod-php4 but 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.4 is to be installed or caudium-php4 but it is not installable; Depends also on: php4-common but it is not installable"
[08:50] <JDahl> Levander, I also miss the search bots like #debian have
[08:50] <Levander> newbie, try ping yahoo.com, if it works u got it
[08:50] <dtyge1> So: Why is php4-common not installable?
[08:51] <carthik_work> n3wbi3, you have to login, first, to linux and then see what happens next
[08:51] <Levander> JDahl, guess I'll have to add them, search, remove them if they don't have them
[08:51] <n3wbi3> k, just as i suspected.  when i did that it said something like failure in name resolution.
[08:51] <carthik_work> n3wbi3, you can re-configure your network settings?
[08:51] <Levander> newbie, you're using DHCP to get an IP address?
[08:51] <Levander> newbie, if so, the DHCP server should assign u a DNS server
[08:51] <kirkt> ~o/ na-me resolu-tion!
[08:52] <Levander> newbie, try this: "ping <IP_ADDRESS>"
[08:52] <Levander> that gets around the DNS protocol
[08:53] <Levander> newb, u trying or not??
[08:53] <n3wbi3> k, i will try that.  thanks so much for helping me out.  are there any other tips you guys would like to give me in regards to this networking issue?
[08:53] <n3wbi3> well it's just that irssi isn't working for me...
[08:53] <n3wbi3> so i'm on Windows right now.
[08:54] <n3wbi3> i have to boot into that partition to try it out.
[08:54] <Levander> oh, i see
[08:54] <Levander> okay, after u boot
[08:54] <Levander> try the two ping commands
[08:54] <mroth> did anyone else lose audio in most apps with the polypaudio update in hoary?
[08:54] <n3wbi3> i will.  thanks
[08:54] <Levander> if pinging the numbers don't work, u have internet but have to figure out how to get DNS configured
[08:54] <kirkt> in the window manager initialization: what comes after nautilus ?
[08:55] <Levander> if pinging the name doesn't work, maybe ping the numbers will
[08:55] <dtyge1> kirkt: what do you mean?
[08:55] <dtyge1> after login?
[08:55] <n3wbi3> hopefully and if they don't...how do i configure DNS?
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> hi
[08:55] <kirkt> dtyge1: im starting up the window manager (gnome).. i type the user name and password and then an initialization screen comes up
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> my ubuntu installation didint ask me for a root password
[08:55] <Levander> not sure newb, i'm not a networking expert
[08:55] <dtyge1> right...
[08:55] <kirkt> however it gets stuck since im trying to install gnome by hand
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> i dont know which is
[08:55] <tiM`>  edit /etc/resolv.conf and add your nameservers
[08:55] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, there is no root user passwd
[08:55] <dtyge1> and then the desktop appear magically.
[08:55] <gijosh> I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, but I'm not sure if it worked or not.  I got this:
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[08:55] <dtyge1> ...or not?
[08:56] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[08:56] <kirkt> i figured that it gets stuck because of the next-to-intialize component
[08:56] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[08:56] <gijosh> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:56] <gijosh> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:56] <MidnightDevil> carthik_work, how can i have root access then_
[08:56] <gijosh> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:56] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, you do things through gksu sudo
[08:56] <gijosh> Calculating Upgrade... Done
[08:56] <gijosh> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[08:56] <kirkt> dtyge1 i need to know what does it initialize after nautilus
[08:56] <n3wbi3> well i'll give it a try.
[08:56] <n3wbi3> thanks for everything.
[08:56] <carthik_work> Midnight evil $ sudo <whatever> will execute <whatever> as root.
[08:56] <dtyge1> kirkt: nautilus is the last one.
[08:56] <Levander> but newb if ping the numbers do work, try opening your irc client to <IP_ADDRESS> server, that's the numbers (aka IP address) for the irc.freenode.net server
[08:56] <Levander> then u can get on here and maybe some help
[08:57] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, try http://ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki
[08:57] <dtyge1> kirkt, then come the drums
[08:57] <kirkt> dtyge1 u sure?
[08:57] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, sudo will ask for _your_ password.
[08:57] <dtyge1> kirkt: i'll reboot to check. Wait a minute...
[08:57] <kirkt> thanks dtyge1 :)
[08:57] <Levander> newb actually, under windows, in the output of the ping command, the IP address for the server you ping will be listed, so can find any ip address that way
[08:57] <Levander> good luck newb, i'm signing out
[08:59] <dtyge1> kirkt. The last thing written is "nautilus", and the last icon is one like a desktop image.
[08:59] <dtyge1> kirkt?
[08:59] <kirkt> dtyge1: is that 4 icons ?
[08:59] <dtyge1> yes.
[08:59] <kirkt> yea i get that too.. but it gets stuck
[08:59] <kirkt> i'll try again thanks
[08:59] <dtyge1> kirkt, what computer do you have?
[09:00] <K-otiK> what is a good terminal irc client out there?
[09:00] <kirkt> trying this under vmware
[09:00] <MidnightDevil> thanx carthik_work
[09:00] <Levander> newb, ah wait, you've seen the Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking dialog?  That'd probably make it a lot easier for u?
[09:00] <K-otiK> ircii?
[09:00] <dtyge1> it should work... warty?
[09:00] <kirkt> no im using hoary
[09:00] <kirkt> but i've started off with a server install
[09:00] <kirkt> then i added the gdm and xorg
[09:00] <dtyge1> kirkt, why don't you start with warty? If it works, go for hoary...
[09:01] <dtyge1> kirkt. Is there a "server install" in hoary? with apache-mysql-php set up?
[09:01] <kirkt> dont think so
[09:01] <kirkt> the server install only gives you the basic stuff
[09:01] <pepsi> warty, hoary, and grumpy.. just like your girlfriend :)
[09:01] <kirkt> but i didnt check
[09:01] <kirkt> pepsi: you mean hairy
[09:01] <kreiger> no.
[09:02] <pepsi> no i meant hoary.. but yours might be hairy
[09:02] <pepsi> heh
[09:02] <kreiger> whorey
[09:02] <kirkt> strange
[09:02] <kirkt> i was sure your g/f was hairy.. took me a while to get rid of the excess hair last night
[09:04] <cg0def> is there a way to edit menus in hoary?
[09:04] <cg0def> I installed k3b and now I have some crappy kde stuff  in the applications menu
[09:05] <Riddell> cg0def: there is no way to edit menus in hoary (except compiling kmenuedit from KDE 3.4)
[09:05] <Riddell> cg0def: what is in the menu that you don't want?
[09:05] <kirkt> ok
[09:05] <kirkt> it seems that everything works
[09:05] <kirkt> but the "initialization" screen would not disappear
[09:05] <dtyge1> folks, that's my last try. I'm having problems to install php4, which are as follows: "php4: Depends on: libapache-mod-php4 but it is not going to be installed or libapache2-mod-php4 but 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.4 is to be installed or caudium-php4 but it is not installable; Depends on: php4-common but it is not installable"
[09:06] <kirkt> like.. it loads the desktop but forgets to hide the initialization screen
[09:06] <cg0def> Riddell: the control center for kde
[09:06] <hikaru79> I used to have sound on Ubuntu, but I reinstalled Ubuntu this morning and suddenly I have nothing, not even system sounds. Any ideas? (Hoary)
[09:07] <cg0def> do you know if the final release of hoary is going to have an easier way of editing the menu?
[09:07] <Riddell> cg0def: where does that appear, could you give me a screenshot? (we're putting together new KDE packages so may be able to fix it)
[09:07] <cg0def> right in the applications menu
[09:07] <msg43> has anyone gotten ndiswrapper to wrok in ubuntu?
[09:07] <pbzt56> hi all
[09:08] <pbzt56> french speakers?
[09:08] <danix> hi =P
[09:08] <dtyge1> pbzt56: je parle... mais je sui brsilien
[09:08] <danix> eu tbm sou
[09:08] <cg0def> Riddell: I'll give you a link to the screenshot in a min
[09:09] <pbzt56> do you know if a french channel exist
[09:09] <pbzt56> hi dtygel
[09:09] <dtyge1> oi danix..
[09:09] <danix> oi
[09:09] <msg43> has anyone evergotten ndiswrapper to work in ubuntu
[09:09] <dtyge1> pbzt: don't know.
[09:09] <pbzt56> I have discover ubuntu this afternoon , nice nice distribution
[09:10] <pbzt56> I seek information about X server , i have a problem with screen defintion
[09:11] <dtyge1> bye, folks. I'll try later.
[09:11] <dtyge1> nobody helps me about mysql-apache-php :(
[09:12] <Blurpy> does anyone know why xfce opens a random port?
[09:14] <cg0def> Riddell: well actually I can't take a screenshot with the applications or any other menu pulled down
[09:14] <kiko> re
[09:14] <kiko> thanx carthik_work
[09:14] <kiko> :)
[09:14] <pbzt56> hi
[09:14] <carthik_work> kiko, what did I do ? :)
[09:15] <Riddell> cg0def: why not?
[09:15] <cg0def> Riddell: worls fine when no menu is pulled down but once you pull a menu down screenshots no longer work
[09:15] <cg0def> Riddell: this is probably a dub
[09:15] <cg0def> bug
[09:15] <Riddell> cg0def: gosh, how primitive.  try using ksnapshot
[09:15] <MidnightDevil> remember me now ? :P
[09:15] <skel_home> does ubuntu for amd64 use a 32 bit firefox?
[09:15] <cg0def> yeah gnome keeps on breaking stuff
[09:16] <cg0def> skel_home no it does not
[09:16] <klaym> is there anyone with experience on installing phobia3 on ubuntu?
[09:16] <skel_home> cg0def: is that why my flash probably doesn't work?
[09:16] <cg0def> yeah flash does not work
[09:16] <cg0def> sorry
[09:17] <skel_home> bummage
[09:17] <skel_home> is there a firefox package that is 32bit?
[09:18] <skel_home> doesn't look like it =/
[09:18] <cg0def> I am pretty sure there is but you have to add a 32 bit repository
[09:18] <cg0def> and the 32 bit libs
[09:18] <skel_home> yeah
[09:18] <skel_home> had this same issue with my ibook
[09:18] <skel_home> I hate macromedia with a passion
[09:19] <pbzt56> i seek info about Xfree
[09:19] <skel_home> pbzt56: if thats as detailed as you get, you'll be seeking for a while =P
[09:20] <cg0def> skel_home: macromedia must be the dumbest company
[09:21] <pbzt56> I have install ubuntu on a new computer , i use a screen ACER , than i partage with a another computer
[09:21] <cg0def> symantec had a 64 version of antivirus way before win_xp64 got to a beta version
[09:21] <chutwig> do any of you know why the automounter would stop putting automatic mount points on my desktop in nautilus?
[09:21] <pbzt56> with the old computer the mandrake accept a screen 1024x768
[09:21] <pbzt56> with ubuntu i have just a 800x600
[09:21] <cg0def> Riddell: ksnapshot doesn't do the job either, it takes the focus off the menu and it closes before you can take a screenshot
[09:21] <skel_home> cg0def: thing that sucks is you can't even make an open implementation of a web media library because of all the patents they have
[09:21] <Riddell> cg0def: set a 2 second delay
[09:22] <pbzt56> i would like compare conf file of Xfree
[09:22] <cg0def> Riddell: 2 second delay to ksnapshot?
[09:22] <skel_home> cg0def: gimp has a screenshot function that lets you set a timer too
[09:22] <cg0def> oh yeah I see now :)
[09:23] <chutwig> nautilus opens a window when it's mounted, but it doesn't put an icon for it on the desktop
[09:23] <chutwig> so i have to unmount it through the terminal
[09:23] <chutwig> sort of annoying
[09:23] <skel_home> pbzt56: I'll upload mine but it won't help much if we don't have the same video card and monitor
[09:24] <pbzt56> I use the same monitor
[09:25] <pbzt56> you are thinking is the video card ?
[09:25] <kreiger> Where do i download themes for gnomes too?
[09:25] <kreiger> Also, how do i switch to something else, like xfce?
[09:26] <ermo> On evolution: Let's say I use hoary and that evo 2.1.4 doesn't agree with my IMAP provider. Would I want to 'downgrade' evo, or would that be a bad thing to do (dependency-wise)?
[09:26] <TrevorE> can anyone help me? An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Detect and mount CD-ROM
[09:29] <target-X> hello everyone
[09:29] <cg0def> well I can't get in my free hosting cause the server seems to be overloaded
[09:29] <cg0def> Riddell: if you want I can email them to you
[09:30] <target-X> I just bought a bluetooth USB Adapter from BELKIN. :) How can I install it? Any tips
[09:30] <lcdd> ermo: i think it's safe to assume nothing important depends on evolution
[09:30] <pbzt56> How i can restart the xfree configuration or test screen ?
[09:31] <Riddell> cg0def<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:31] <cg0def> ok I'll send them in a sec
[09:31] <lcdd> ermo: but you should check the dependencies anyway
[09:31] <GammaRay> anyone know the option to disable the nvidia splash screen?
[09:31] <ermo> lcdd, thanks. I'll give it a try. *crosses fingers hoping that pinning will work as expected*
[09:31] <darkx> option nologo
[09:31] <darkx> i believe
[09:31] <darkx> NoLogo
[09:33] <cg0def> Riddell: sent them
[09:33] <Riddell> cg0def: thanks, there's a change my e-mail may be broken in which case use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:34] <cg0def> ok if you you don't get them in the next couple of minutes I'll send them to the other one
[09:34] <kirkt> how do i add i18n to ubuntu (RTL Languages like arabic and so) ?
[09:34] <Riddell> cg0def: got them
[09:35] <Riddell> cg0def: in both application and system eh?  strange
[09:35] <cg0def> Riddell: sorry I just sent them again to the other email (should've read this first)
[09:35] <cg0def> yeah it shows up in both
[09:35] <Riddell> cg0def: no problem :)
[09:35] <Phusion> well, going through my first ubuntu install and, it's not as pretty as mandrake, but it's nice so far
[09:35] <target-X> anyone has experience with bluetooth usb adapter
[09:36] <klaym> target-X: me
[09:36] <target-X> :)
[09:36] <target-X> what did you do
[09:36] <klaym> I'll throw you a link that'll make all things work
[09:36] <target-X> nice
[09:36] <target-X> thx a million
[09:36] <klaym> http://www.fooishbar.org/blog/tech/ubuntu/blootewthMono-2004-10-17-01-31.html
[09:36] <cg0def> has anyone gotten the 64 bit ati drivers working?
[09:36] <klaym> there u go
[09:36] <klaym> np
[09:37] <target-X> I used Guadalinex so far, when they announced to be cooperate with you guys I thought I will check it out
[09:37] <target-X> :)
[09:37] <target-X> neraly everything works out of the box :)
[09:37] <cg0def> there is a new version of the driver on ati's site (newer than the one in apt) but it reqires a bunch of 32 bit libraries
[09:38] <target-X> on a Acer Travelmate 4001WLMi
[09:38] <target-X> cheers klaym
[09:38] <klaym> np
[09:38] <maelstrom> hey guys
[09:39] <maelstrom> i just installed ubuntu 4.10
[09:39] <maelstrom> i need some advice on configuration
[09:39] <rubixXx> is it safe to use debian prog packages on ubuntu
[09:39] <maelstrom> i'm using something called a Wacom table
[09:40] <maelstrom> wacom tablet
[09:40] <rubixXx> maelstrom): what do you wanna config
[09:40] <maelstrom> wacom tablet
[09:40] <Denisbr> Hello
[09:40] <maelstrom> do u noe what that is?
[09:40] <maelstrom> hey denisbr
[09:41] <Riddell> cg0def: fancy helping me fix this?
[09:41] <Phusion> I know of wacoms, they're for hand drawing on comps
[09:41] <Phusion> good luck getting it to work in linux
[09:41] <maelstrom> http://www.wacom.com/graphire/index.cfm
[09:41] <Denisbr> Ubuntu supported winmodem lucent? Where I Can Dowload of drivers?
[09:41] <maelstrom> i got it to work in suse
[09:41] <maelstrom> suse 9.2 has a thing for the tablet
[09:42] <Denisbr> maelstrom, yes
[09:42] <cg0def> Riddell: well I didn't really help much it was just a bug report
[09:42] <maelstrom> i was wondering if anyone noes what i can do to get the tablet to work in ubuntu
[09:42] <Riddell> cg0def: but I need someone with gnome installed to test it
[09:42] <Riddell> cg0def: could you add OnlyShowIn=KDE; to /usr/share/applnk/KControl.desktop
[09:42] <Riddell> cg0def: and restart gnome, see if it makes KControl go away?
[09:43] <cg0def> ok I'll do that in a sec
[09:43] <Riddell> cg0def: actually try with this file first  /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop
[09:44] <K-otiK> gnome has different themes right?
[09:44] <Phusion> yes
[09:44] <Phusion> the gnome panel lets you pick 'em
[09:44] <K-otiK> humm kde seems to have a lot more
[09:44] <Phusion> they're similar to the different stock windows themes
[09:47] <klaym> I'm missing libvorbisfile.so.0. Any idea on what I should install to get the file?
[09:47] <Phusion> Ogg Vorbis
[09:47] <Phusion> http://www.vorbis.com/download_unix.psp
[09:48] <cg0def> Ridell: adding in to /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop fixes the problem
[09:48] <Riddell> cg0def: removes it from both menus?
[09:48] <cg0def> yes
[09:48] <klaym> ok thanks phusion
[09:48] <Phusion> ya mon
[09:48] <Riddell> cg0def: ok, thanks a lot
[09:48] <cg0def> np
[09:48] <lcdd> klaym: libvorbisfile3
[09:49] <klaym> lcdd: I already have that :/ it seems I need to downgrade
[09:49] <Denisbr> Were I Can Dowload of drivers for lucent winmodem?
[09:49] <Phusion> might wanna start with google
[09:49] <cg0def> Riddell: so in the next release of gnome you will have to edit config files in order to modify the contents of a menu?
[09:49] <Phusion> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
[09:50] <klaym> I'm getting these troubles while trying to install phobia3. but it seems that nobody has experience on installing this great game on ubuntu :)
[09:50] <Phusion> can no one type google.com ? honestly :P
[09:50] <lcdd> klaym: hrmm. .so.0 is a symlink to libvorbisfile.so.3.1.0 in my debian
[09:50] <Phusion> yeah he prolly doesn't have the vorbis files installed
[09:50] <Riddell> cg0def: that seems to be the case, I hear there might be a new menu editor in gnome 2.12 and as I said KDE 3.4 has one
[09:50] <Phusion> just needs to pick up the package or whatever is on that url
[09:51] <pepsi> .
[09:51] <target-X> klaym
[09:51] <cg0def> Riddell: yeah but gnome 2.12 is over 6 months away and the way that the menu system works right now sux
[09:51] <target-X> thx that is working now :)
[09:51] <klaym> target-X
[09:51] <klaym> yea it should be
[09:52] <target-X> thx ubuntu guys great dis :)
[09:52] <Riddell> cg0def: then we'll just have to make sure and get KDE 3.4 into hoary :)
[09:52] <cg0def> yeah I know :)
[09:53] <cg0def> oh yeah another thing that really needs work in hoary is support for the crappy ati drivers
[09:54] <rubixXx> how do you restart a service
[09:54] <cg0def> /etc/init.d /<service> restart
[09:55] <thenuke> "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".  "    I have DRI in XF86config.. :( Any ideas?
[09:55] <lares> I'm looking to install Ubuntu for a MS user.  Is there anything that will be noticealbe missing (other then virii)
[09:56] <goldfish> Crashes for no reason.
[09:56] <lares> lol :)
[09:56] <lares> I'm a Gentoo USer and need something that will 'just work' for a friend.
[09:56] <njan> lares, photoshop
[09:56] <njan> lares, photoshop's the only thing that my wife (formerly of windowsxp) has missed.
[09:56] <lcdd> lares: support for obscure hardware
[09:56] <rubixXx> cg0def): ty
[09:56] <rubixXx> should i make a new group to run an ftp server
[09:57] <njan> she switched a few months ago and she's rebooted into windows xp twice, for about 5 minutes.
[09:57] <lares> It boots to GUI after install right?
[09:57] <goldfish> lares: I installed ubuntu a few weeks ago, first time using linux, if they take a look at ubuntuguide.org it shud be fairly handy for them to get going.
[09:57] <rubixXx> lares): yes
[09:57] <lares> goldfish: goo to know
[09:57] <lares> what is default WM?
[09:57] <rubixXx> gnome
[09:57] <lares> or is that userconfurable?
[09:58] <lares> k
[09:58] <rubixXx> both
[09:58] <njan> lares, you can install kde as well, but gnome is supported.
[09:58] <rubixXx> gnome is default, but you cna install more
[09:58] <goldfish> PEK WM !
[09:58] <njan> lares, for that matter, you can install xfce too, and probably anything else
[09:58] <lares> OKay just checking..
[09:58] <lares> I use Flux, but that is not for the N00b.
[09:59] <lares> THanxz all for the info...
[09:59] <kirkt> lares try mandrake/beaterix
[09:59] <lares> D/Ling it now.
[09:59] <lares> kirkt: i
[09:59] <lares> kirkt: i've looked at mandrake but not beaterix. will look
[10:00] <Phusion> man, this setting up phase takes forever
[10:00] <Denisbr> Why kernel is on Ubuntu 4.10?
[10:00] <sahin_h> Is KDE wibb be supported in the next release? I'm just wondering? I know KDE is part of the universe currently.
[10:01] <sahin_h> s/wibb/will
[10:01] <djtansey> I know this isn't necessarily ubuntu specific but I'm having a problem with images in openoffice and images. I can't save an image in openoffice. I got a document in the email and I need to copy the image from the document to an email in evolution. but when i copy it in OOo and paste it in evolution nothing happens... is this a me specific problem? is there a solution?
[10:01] <Riddell> sahin_h: hopefully yes
[10:02] <rubixXx> should i make a new group to run an ftp server
[10:02] <Phusion> yes
[10:02] <Phusion> proftpd should do that for yah
[10:03] <lcdd> vsftpd is easier to set up securely
[10:05] <junit> Hey, is there a way to get mplayer running under hoary
[10:05] <bestadvocate> yah but its a pain
[10:05] <junit> or is there an alternative to play all the files it does?
[10:05] <Phusion> xine ...
[10:06] <Rocha> what gnome program do you use to copy audio cd's ?
[10:06] <junit> does it play everything?
[10:06] <bestadvocate> whats funny is I had an easyer time installing mplayer on windows than on ubuntu : - ]
[10:06] <bestadvocate> Rocha: try Graveman
[10:07] <Rocha> bestadvocate, ok
[10:09] <Phusion> well shit
[10:09] <Phusion> just finished installing hoary and the video server is MESSED up
[10:09] <junit> I see that you can add extra repositories to Warty's source list, but is there a list like that for Hoary?
[10:10] <klaym> what's the command to rename a file in terminal? :P
[10:11] <lcdd> klaym: mv
[10:11] <klaym> lcdd: thanks
[10:12] <stephen-> Hello everyone... I wanted to install ubuntu, and wondered what the recommended burn speed is for the cd? I noticed a few people having problems with fast burn speeds on the forums.
[10:12] <Neil3> depends on your burner
[10:13] <stephen-> Well.. should I just try 52x first? :P
[10:13] <Neil3> up to you
[10:13] <Neil3> if you've burned other cds at that speed without problems sure
[10:13] <K-otiK> has anyone seen those screen shots ofgentoo with the cpu graph and ram usage on the background?
[10:13] <K-otiK> can i get ubuntu  do that?
[10:13] <Phusion> well... hoary just ain't doing it
[10:13] <stephen-> Humm, second question, think I can install it on an external usb drive?
[10:13] <Phusion> bloody heck
[10:13] <K-otiK> you do'nt need to install it
[10:13] <gutz> helloooo
[10:13] <K-otiK> or at least with me i just plugged it in and it ran with no prob
[10:14] <BiteMeBill> K-otiK:  look into gdesklets
[10:15] <edgarin> Hello I have a network card Dlink G520+ and I can't startup
[10:17] <gutz> can we help me?
[10:18] <gutz> I want import windows firefox profiles
[10:18] <gutz> to ubunt
[10:18] <gutz> but I don't know the procdure to do
[10:19] <AndyR> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:19] <AndyR> ah Phusion has gone :(
[10:20] <gutz> andyR
[10:20] <gutz> can you help me?
[10:21] <Tomcat_> gutz: I guess you only need to copy the stuff over?
[10:21] <LinuxJones> edgarin, the dlink g520 card should be detected automagically
[10:22] <gutz> I probe to use the win profile with linux
[10:22] <evarlast> Semt-X: I don't remember what you were modprobing for.
[10:22] <junit> Does Hoary have other repositories that are included by default that I can add?
[10:23] <shadeofgrey> hey guys -- if i wantred to install superkaramba to make my ubuntu system behave like OSX with a dock at the bottom -- would i have to install KDE as well?
[10:24] <AndyR> gutz, i will try :)
[10:24] <gutz> but don't work
[10:24] <vjaz> shadeofgrey, parts of it, yes
[10:24] <vjaz> shadeofgrey, you might want to take a look at gDesklets
[10:24] <vjaz> shadeofgrey, http://gdesklets.sourceforge.net/ iirc
[10:24] <gutz> i want to import win firefox profilo to linux
[10:25] <gutz> but i don't know the way
[10:25] <K-otiK> i ran apt-get install -y kde, i downloadeded kde alright is there soemthign else i have to do to 'switch'
[10:25] <K-otiK> after that?
[10:25] <Phusion> AndyR: nah I'm not gone
[10:26] <vjaz> gutz, there's a directory in windows... I think it's Documents and Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox
[10:26] <Riddell> dpkg-reconfigure gdm  to make kde default
[10:26] <Phusion> AndyR: I just installed hoary and everything was going so well, then the login screen came up and it was very distorted
[10:26] <vjaz> gutz, Copy that directory to ~/.mozilla/firefox on your Ubuntu disk.
[10:26] <Phusion> AndyR: I tried logging in with gnome and some failsafe but everything dropped me to login
[10:26] <gutz> yes
[10:26] <gutz> i do
[10:26] <gutz> but
[10:26] <Phusion> downloading warty
[10:26] <gutz> firefox freeze
[10:26] <gutz> when start
[10:26] <vjaz> oh
[10:26] <kent> hmm, Gnomebaker is not in Hoary repositories. Strange, since it seems to use Rosetta.. :(
[10:27] <AndyR> Phusion drop to shell and run the command above
[10:27] <Phusion> ok
[10:27] <AndyR> what graphics card?
[10:27] <Phusion> AndyR: rage of some kind
[10:27] <junit> I wish I new what the extra repositories were for Haory
[10:27] <Phusion> hold on gotta boot up
[10:28] <socketbind> mmm i had rage before :D
[10:28] <Phusion> well I have a geforce 6800 in this box
[10:28] <AndyR> i had same prob with a rage II pro
[10:28] <Phusion> thats what it is
[10:28] <TrevorE> hi im trying to install and i got this screen for changing the debconf priority, what's this mean?
[10:28] <klaym> I'd still like to bug you with these: any idea on where libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 lies? there are 17 libstdc -named files listed in synaptic, of which two are installed
[10:28] <socketbind> that's nice phusion
[10:28] <Phusion> yeah well I work for a game zine, gotta be up to date
[10:28] <kent> junit, what do you meen with extra?  Is it nog universe, multiverse and restricted, like for warty?
[10:29] <TrevorE> i had trouble before so i used a lower speed when burning this time, and now this comes up, but it didnt before
[10:29] <Phusion> ok, its booting to ubuntu login, I have to go to session and somehow select the bottom one, only way to a shell
[10:29] <elTigre> Hi! I installed ubuntu...
[10:29] <Phusion> some error pops up that I can't read :/
[10:29] <elTigre> but I'd like to su to root
[10:29] <socketbind> great elTigre, hope you'll like it
[10:29] <elTigre> for that I need a password don't I?
[10:29] <socketbind> eltigre: sudo -s -H
[10:30] <socketbind> and type *YOUR* password
[10:30] <elTigre> ah thanks
[10:30] <elTigre> well at the moment I yet have to stop the monitor from ruining my eyes....
[10:31] <socketbind> well it runs at 85hz with nv driver from the beginning
[10:31] <AndyR> Phusion, ctrl alt F1
[10:31] <socketbind> with a plain install
[10:31] <Phusion> AndyR: hey, I put in that command and I have yet to set a root
[10:31] <socketbind> what card do you have?
[10:31] <Phusion> its asking for pass, put in my local user pass?
[10:31] <elTigre> I haven't even 50
[10:32] <AndyR> dont need root, just sudo with an account of user with sudo privs
[10:32] <Phusion> well it returned something I can't read :/
[10:32] <AndyR> ie first user you setup
[10:32] <Phusion> right
[10:32] <Phusion> ok I dumped dm, in console
[10:33] <AndyR> Phusion, now do ctrl alt F1
[10:33] <junit> kent: I mean on ubuntuguide, they have a section showing how to add extra repositories, is there something like that for hoary?
[10:33] <Phusion> ahh ok I'm in the xserver config
[10:33] <Phusion> autodetect?
[10:33] <Phusion> I assume no..
[10:34] <AndyR> junit, use same instructions replacing all warty's with hoary
[10:34] <kent> junit, yes. If you are talking about the extra Ubuntu repositories, then, as AndyR says, just do the same.
[10:34] <Phusion> andy?
[10:34] <AndyR> Phusion, yup
[10:34] <AndyR>   /msg
[10:34] <tvon|desk> Anyone using a bttv card in hoary?
[10:34] <Phusion> k, I'm selecting the "ati" module
[10:34] <Phusion> ok?
[10:34] <tvon|desk> taint gettin no sound
[10:35] <AndyR> tvon|desk, yes wintv in other comp
[10:35] <junit> oh sweet
[10:35] <junit> thanks
[10:35] <Phusion> ok, well now its asking for a bus identifyer
[10:35] <jinx_> I have to admit, that setting up ubuntu for my laptop has been the most painless experience.  It autodetected everything...
[10:35] <Phusion> but it has PCI:1:0:0 in there already
[10:35] <Phusion> go with that AndyR?
[10:35] <tvon|desk> AndyR: do you recall any issues with sound not working? or was it all OOB functional?
[10:35] <jinx_> However, I couldn't get the AMD64 version of the ISO to boot so I had to use the x86 version
[10:36] <AndyR> tvon|desk, im using the line in for audio
[10:36] <jinx_> AMD64 version kept on telling me my CPU temp was at 95C - which it obviously isn't otherwise I wouldn't be here talking to you now...
[10:36] <tvon|desk> AndyR: ah
[10:36] <jinx_> anyone ever encountered this issue - where the AMD64 version tells you your CPU is too hot?
[10:36] <Phusion> AndyR: use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[10:36] <AndyR> no
[10:37] <elTigre> I am quite pleased at the moment
[10:37] <michael__> has anybody tried mod_mono on apache?
[10:37] <ne0genius> can someone point me to a link for hoary repositories that host packages similar to those mentioned in the startup guide for warty??
[10:37] <elTigre> at least my mails and preferences where saved *phew*
[10:38] <AndyR> Phusion, look in msg tab
[10:38] <evarlast> what is the recommended ubuntu dns caching-nameserver
[10:39] <elTigre> there should be some direct link to a page that names useful guides, like Configuring nvidia drivers ;))
[10:39] <spades> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:40] <elTigre> thanks
[10:40] <djtansey> is anyone getting a lot of crashes with openoffice in hoary? i'm getting a crash all the itme
[10:40] <cris> teste
[10:40] <michael__> everlast: one on the internet or one for your local system?
[10:40] <jinx_> how do upgrade my kernel to 2.6.10?
[10:41] <edgarin> Hello howto configure DLINK G520+?
[10:41] <jinx_> (i've not used a debian based system before - i'm used to getting the sources and recompiling)
[10:41] <membreya> anyone here use TVTime?
[10:41] <edgarin> whit chipset ACX111
[10:41] <elTigre> well I am used to gentoo
[10:41] <edgarin> yeah I have TVTIME
[10:41] <membreya> edgarin: do you know if it's possible to record with it ?
[10:42] <httpdss> apt-get install linux-686
[10:42] <edgarin> membreya: no
[10:42] <membreya> :'(
[10:42] <jinx_> httpdss: that for the kernel?
[10:42] <membreya> any way to record TV input on linux?
[10:42] <lcdd> membreya: tvtime doesn't do recording. try mencoder instead
[10:42] <edgarin>  membreya: the program for record is xinetv
[10:43] <httpdss> jinx_:yes
[10:43] <klaym> I got phobia3 working, woohoo!
[10:43] <vjaz> jinx_, If you want 2.6.10, you'll either need to upgrade to Hoary or get it from Warty backports: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:43] <evarlast> michael__: one for my local system.  mdk/rh have an rpm called caching-nameserver that you just install, and it sets up bind as a caching nameserver and adds localhost in resolv.conf.
[10:43] <edgarin> membreya: search in google tvrecord.sh
[10:43] <junit> I don't like hoary so far
[10:43] <membreya> thanks :)
[10:43] <junit> Everything was so much easier to do in Warty.
[10:43] <membreya> everything's easy in hoary junit  :)
[10:44] <membreya> hey it got my wireless working easy :)
[10:44] <evarlast> junit: it isn't finished yet.
[10:44] <junit> Well, mPlayer isn't easier, XMMS isn't easier.
[10:44] <junit> I know that, but so far..
[10:44] <edgarin> ok
[10:44] <membreya> mplayer I just had to download all the .debs :)
[10:44] <edgarin> Howto install G520+ in linux
[10:45] <vjaz> edgarin, What is G520+?
[10:45] <httpdss> whats your prob with mplayer and xmms ??
[10:46] <junit> I can't install em using Apt-get
[10:47] <vjaz> Hm... you can install xmms with apt-get
[10:47] <membreya> what arch junit ?
[10:47] <junit> =/
[10:47] <junit> what
[10:47] <membreya> what type of CPU/kernel are you running :)
[10:47] <httpdss> apt-get install xmms
[10:48] <membreya> with a sudo httpdss ;)
[10:48] <httpdss> :P
[10:48] <junit> I did that =P
[10:48] <vjaz> not if you do sudo -s first!
[10:48] <vjaz> junit, you need to enable the universe repository
[10:48] <michael__> evarlast: resolv.conf has nothing to do with caching-nameserver. what do you want to do exactly?
[10:49] <evarlast> michael__: nm.  I'll just do it manually.
[10:49] <membreya> being 2 weeks into linux..learnin new stuff alllllll the time :)
[10:49] <evarlast> michael__: I want my desktop computer to have its own dns cache, like XP does.
[10:49] <jinx_> vjaz: I presume I can upgrade to hoary without having to reinstall somehow?
[10:49] <membreya> wouldn't you need to run squid then evarlast ?
[10:49] <vjaz> jinx_, yes
[10:49] <evarlast> no, squid has nothing to do with DNS.
[10:50] <jinx_> vjaz: would you be so kind as to tell me how?
[10:50] <vjaz> jinx_, basically you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change everything from warty to hoary
[10:50] <jinx_> oh
[10:50] <jinx_> ok
[10:50] <jinx_> and that's it?
[10:50] <vjaz> jinx_, then 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:50] <jinx_> sounds simple enough
[10:50] <membreya> evarlast: squid is a proxy server..you just turn it into a caching dns proxy server
[10:50] <vjaz> jinx_, Hoary is the development version so beware that problems might arise. :-O
[10:51] <jinx_> vjaz: oh teh noes111!!!
[10:51] <membreya> vjaz: ...what problems? :P
[10:51] <evarlast> squid is major overkill for dns caching.  besides, squid is a proxy server, not a DNS cache. Squid doesn't cache dns requests, just the web pages.
[10:51] <vjaz> well ok... not in practice... but no one guarantees there won't be problems :-P
[10:51] <membreya> vjaz: ....actually I've been getting ICEs on my gcc ;)
[10:51] <membreya> but few and far
[10:52] <evarlast> I am very familiar with bind, squid, resolver, etc. I was just asking if there is an "ubuntu" way for getting it going.  I guess not.
[10:52] <vjaz> whoa
[10:52] <membreya> evarlast: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=dns+cache%2Bubuntu&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[10:52] <vjaz> haha
[10:53] <michael__> evarlast: sorry, cant help you. never tried this
[10:54] <membreya> is that info ok evarlast ?
[10:54] <MidnightDevil> how can i add access to everyone on a mounted folder?
[10:54] <membreya> MidnightDevil: local or network? :P
[10:54] <elTigre> Hmmmm.... how can I install lyx?
[10:54] <vjaz> 'chmod 777 folder' maybe?
[10:55] <vjaz> (for midnightdevil)
[10:55] <evarlast> membreya: thanks.
[10:55] <MidnightDevil> this one is local
[10:55] <vjaz> elTigre, You'll need to enable the universe repository.
[10:55] <evarlast> I think that is what I want.
[10:55] <vjaz> elTigre, Then it's just an apt-get or you can select it from synaptic.
[10:55] <MidnightDevil> vjaz,  still not working
[10:55] <elTigre> yep
[10:55] <membreya> pdnsd looks like what you want..permanent and easy :P
[10:56] <membreya> but then again if you know bind and squid... :P
[10:56] <elTigre> I have to find out how to enable that repository
[10:56] <membreya> elTigre: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <jinx_> vjaz: jeez... 424MB of archives needed for upgrade...
[10:57] <michael__> who has experience in blender?
[10:57] <MidnightDevil> membreya,  local folder on another disk
[10:57] <vjaz> jinx_, Well it's upgrading your whole system.
[10:57] <elTigre> I needed to download 400 mb of uploads before getting into x for the first time =))
[10:57] <jinx_> vjaz: should have just downloaded a hoary installer (if there is one) i suppose....
[10:57] <vjaz> elTigre, You'll need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list . In that file there are two lines that are commented with a '#' that end in 'universe'. Uncomment those and do an 'apt-get update'
[10:58] <membreya> jinx_:  you still have updates at install :P
[10:58] <michael__> where to set window transparency in hoary?
[10:58] <vjaz> jinx_, What do you need 2.6.10 for?
[10:58] <jinx_> vjaz: to play with
[10:58] <fsc> michael__, you need xorg and composite enabled
[10:58] <vjaz> um... ok
[10:58] <vjaz> why can't you play with 2.6.8?
[10:58] <fsc> michael__, and it only really works with nvidia cards
[10:58] <elTigre> vjaz: thanks, seems to word
[10:58] <elTigre> is xorg available in ubuntu?
[10:58] <jinx_> vjaz: Are you trying to put me off hoary? ;)
[10:58] <Rocha> elTigre, yes, in Hoary
[10:59] <membreya> elTigre: hoary uses xorg
[10:59] <membreya> damnit Rocha :P
[10:59] <elTigre> maybe I shouldn't have used warty -.-
[10:59] <Rocha> elTigre, use warty, hoary has some bugs
[10:59] <jinx_> Rocha: such as?
[10:59] <vjaz> jinx_, No. Use it if you like. :-P
[11:00] <Rocha> jinx_, the irritating window list that shrinks all windows
[11:00] <klaym> such as gnome's panels disappearing.. that finally made me go back to warty
[11:00] <Rocha> jinx_, i can't read the title bar in the window list applet
[11:00] <yaxu144a> i don't suppose matthias klose is here?  or anyone who knows about ubuntu low latency kernels?  or any musicians using ubuntu?
[11:00] <michael__> fsc: i have a nvidia card. x.org works also. where can i enable composite?
[11:00] <Rocha> jinx_, in x-chat for example, in only see "X..."
[11:00] <membreya> klaym: CTRL+ALT+BCKSPACE is too much trouble?
[11:01] <Rocha> jinx_, when i drag something to the trash applet the icon disappears
[11:01] <jinx_> hehe
[11:01] <klaym> membrya: I lost them for good
[11:01] <membreya> ouch
[11:01] <Xappe> Rocha, increase the window list size
[11:01] <Rocha> Xappe, how?
[11:01] <Xappe> Rocha, right click the window list applet
[11:01] <vjaz> Rocha, right click, select properties... there should be a "minimum size" option
[11:01] <membreya> fsc: composite for what?
[11:02] <membreya> michael__: even.... :P
[11:02] <jinx_> is php5 in hoary?
[11:02] <Rocha> what minimum size is good?
[11:02] <Xappe> i have 250 px
[11:02] <vjaz> Rocha, you can try it... it updates as you change it
[11:02] <lcdd> klaym: did you try removing your old gnome configuration first?
[11:03] <Rocha> Cool, thanks very much
[11:03] <Xappe> Rocha, np
[11:03] <Rocha> Xappe, anyway, 50 should not be the default size
[11:03] <klaym> lcdd: probably not. I upgraded just the way it's described in ubuntuguide.org.
[11:03] <klaym> then I tried all the things mentioned in ubuntuforums, but none worked
[11:04] <Xappe> Rocha, well, it's a gnome bug i believe
[11:04] <Rocha> Xappe, btw, anyway to correct the trashapplet bug?
[11:05] <Xappe> what bug?
[11:05] <elTigre> does ubuntu use prelinking?
[11:06] <lcdd> klaym: like removing ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf* ?
[11:06] <jinx_> where does apt store packages it downloads before unpacking?
[11:06] <klaym> I don't think I did
[11:06] <elTigre> hmm or a better question... I need to access my windows drive
[11:07] <Rocha> Xappe, when i drag an item to the trash, when i'm on it, the icons changes to a red cross
[11:07] <aeonphive> Hi there, can anyone help? My .mp3s play too fast. I tried: amixer set 'Multi Track Rate Locking' off which brought the speed back to normal, but the sound became very distorted. Anyone know what I could do?
[11:07] <lcdd> klaym: these huge desktop enviroments are so unstable that the configuration file formats tend to change every now and then. that's why you should remove the old configuration files from your home directory before logging into the new version
[11:07] <spades> elTigre: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[11:08] <klaym> lcdd: good to know, thanks
[11:09] <jinx_> hmm - if I try an remove Evolution then synaptic tells me it's going to remove ubuntu-desktop as well... I presume I don't want to do this...
[11:09] <Xappe> Rocha, just tried to drag a file to the trash icon, that worked just fine
[11:09] <Rocha> Xappe, strange
[11:09] <Rocha> Xappe, i'm using array-4 btw
[11:09] <Xappe> should not matter if you have dist upgraded after installation
[11:10] <Rocha> Xappe, nop, i haven't
[11:10] <membreya> jinx_: /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:10] <Rocha> Xappe, dialup here :(
[11:10] <Xappe> Rocha, ok. I've dist-upgraded every day since the beginning of december
[11:10] <jinx_> membreya: thanks
[11:11] <elTigre> hmpf ... rhythmbox can't handle mp3s....
[11:11] <jinx_> membreya: ok - is it safe to remove the files there to conserve space?
[11:11] <shadeofgrey> el:  yes it can
[11:11] <Rocha> elTigre, add the "universe" repository
[11:11] <Rocha> elTigre, install "gstreamer-mad"
[11:11] <membreya> jinx_: ....that low on space? :\
[11:11] <elTigre> ah .. thanks
[11:12] <jinx_> membreya: not really, but 175M of stuff in there that, if not necessary, can be removed right?
[11:12] <Xappe> jinx_, there is a "delete cached files" in synaptic
[11:12] <shadeofgrey> hey guys i need help with something
[11:12] <membreya> hmmm .. i know there's a way to do it ..but how do you show the size of a directory without listing any files?
[11:12] <spades> du -hs
[11:12] <elTigre> with a freshly installed ubuntu install, without connection to the internet, you can't play mp3s?
[11:12] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[11:13] <FX|Laptop> anyone in here use vnc?
[11:13] <membreya> thanks spades :) ....too used to using df :P
[11:13] <jinx_> Xappe: there is? I can't see it
[11:13] <klaym> is it ok to have multiple versions of the same library? I installed three different versions of libstdc++ together with all the dev, plugins, etc. packages.
[11:14] <rubixXx> i will brb in a bit
[11:14] <Xappe> jinx_, settings --> preferences --> files
[11:14] <elTigre> hmmm installing gstreamer-mad didn't solve the issue
[11:14] <FX|Laptop> so no one uses vnc?
[11:15] <Neil3> i do
[11:15] <Neil3> vnc that is
[11:15] <Neil3> :)
[11:15] <jinx_> Xappe: thanks
[11:15] <Xappe> jinx_, np :)
[11:15] <sid77> ciao
[11:15] <JDahl> jinx_, you can just type "sudo apt-get clean"
[11:15] <Rocha> elTigre, restart rhythmbox
[11:15] <K-otiK> how do you had cpu usage and ram usage to your desktop?
[11:15] <elTigre> rocha: I did
[11:15] <FX|Laptop> I have it running on my monitorless server and when i run vncviewer on here all i get is a blank screen.
[11:15] <shadeofgrey> i set up a mount point for my mp3 directory yesterday so that i can open a nautilus window and get directly to my mp3s...  and it worked fine yesterday - today i click on it and it says theres no action associated  with the link
[11:15] <Rocha> elTigre, that should do, strange
[11:16] <jinx_> Ok guys - so what about my Evolution question?  It tells me it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop if I try and remove evolution.  I'm guessing I don't want to do this...
[11:16] <K-otiK> how do you had cpu usage and ram usage to your desktop?
[11:16] <Neil3> did it go into a screen saver?
[11:16] <spades> K-otiK: http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/
[11:16] <KAIOUCYTE> hello
[11:16] <spades> output looks like : http://www.3spades.net/dump/Screenshot.png
[11:16] <FX|Laptop> I don't think so
[11:17] <JDahl> jinx_, generally you wont, but you wont break anything by removing it.. I had to remove it to get rid of OO on a machine with a small disk
[11:17] <membreya> K-otiK: right click on the panel you want to add it to, go to the applets and select system monitor
[11:17] <elTigre> can I force aptget to reinstall it @ rocha?
[11:17] <KAIOUCYTE> is there a way to recover UBUNTU.   I tryied installing bt-gui and when i rebooted my pc.. i dont' get the gui version of ubuntu.
[11:18] <membreya> that's pretty spades :)
[11:18] <spades> speel. queens ny?
[11:18] <speel> tea
[11:18] <speel> yea*
[11:18] <Rocha> elTigre, try logging out of gnome, then in again
[11:18] <spades> i still have your domain i think
[11:19] <Rocha> elTigre, this shouldn't be necessary, but try it
[11:19] <speel> ah supp man , yea i know
[11:19] <jinx_> JDahl: so what is the 'ubuntu-desktop' package then?
[11:19] <spades> speel: hit me up before 10/4/2005 to transfer it out :P
[11:19] <Rocha> jinx_, it's a meta-package
[11:19] <chaosmind> jinx_, as i understand it, the "ubuntu-desktop" package is a meta-package, very important during install, but no big deal to remove...
[11:20] <chaosmind> it's very confusing, i first got that message when I tried to install xemacs
[11:20] <speel> yea , you still have the same email?
[11:20] <JDahl> jinx_, it helps maintaining a uniform desktop with a predescribed set of packages
[11:20] <chaosmind> they should have a more intuitive meta-package system...
[11:21] <membreya> omg... I just did a ./configure on torsmo
[11:21] <membreya> no errors!
[11:21] <membreya> :\
[11:21] <chaosmind> uhm....   man torsmo?
[11:21] <chaosmind> =)
[11:21] <membreya> http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/
[11:22] <jinx_> JDahl: so it won't hurt then, to remove it and install thunderbird instead of evolution :)
[11:22] <membreya> tbird is much better IMHO
[11:22] <membreya> *sniffles*...when did I turn anti-MS :\
[11:22] <chaosmind> cool lookin' sysmon... off to attempt install!
[11:22] <JDahl> jinx_, why dont you just install thunderbird without removing evolution?
[11:23] <jinx_> JDahl: what's the point if i'm never going to use evolution?
[11:23] <JDahl> jinx_, it's less hazzle for you if you keep ubuntu-desktop, although you can remove it if you insist
[11:23] <Rocha> jinx_, you can remove ubuntu-desktop with no problem :)
[11:24] <Xappe> hmm, how do you create a .deb instead of the "make install" step?
[11:24] <giard> why does the title still say array 4?
[11:24] <giard> does array 4 even work anymore?
[11:24] <giard> I thought it was array 5
[11:24] <chaosmind> no point in keeping evolution if you're not going to use it
[11:24] <KAIOUCYTE> Is there a way to re-install UBUNTU without formatting the partition?  :/
[11:25] <chaosmind> do you have UBUNTU on one monolithic partition?
[11:25] <chaosmind> if so, then no; you'll have to back up your home partition and reinstall...
[11:25] <KAIOUCYTE> pardon my lack of knowledge.. but what do u mean monolithic?
[11:25] <chaosmind> =(
[11:26] <chaosmind> one single partition
[11:26] <chaosmind> is your disk formatted into multiple partitions?
[11:26] <KAIOUCYTE> i partitioned in two... one for winxp and the other for ubuntu.
[11:26] <chaosmind> like one for /boot, another for / (root), /home, and <swap>?
[11:26] <Rocha> Always separate you /home from the rest of the system
[11:26] <chaosmind> ah!  so ubuntu is on just one partition...
[11:27] <KAIOUCYTE> yes
[11:27] <chaosmind> yeah, Rocha, good advice!
[11:27] <chaosmind> =)
[11:27] <chaosmind> but for you, you'll have to backup your home dir. now...
[11:27] <TheGreatDinz> why is that good advice?
[11:27] <axonmania> hi
[11:27] <axonmania> I need help
[11:28] <elTigre> hmmpf... still it doesn't know how to handle mp3
[11:28] <membreya> we all do axonmania  :P
[11:28] <chaosmind> it's nice to have /home on a separate partition, it makes backing up in situations like these much easier! ;-)
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> can someone please help me with my mounting issues?
[11:28] <membreya> whats wrong shadeofgrey ?
[11:28] <KAIOUCYTE> the prob. that i have is that UBUNtu only boots into terminal mode... i don't get the gui.
[11:28] <TheGreatDinz> that's true (stupid question)
[11:28] <Xappe> TheGreatDinz, because you'll keep your settings etc. when reinstalling
[11:28] <Rocha> elTigre, strange
[11:28] <membreya> KAIOUCYTE: what happens when you type gdm?
[11:29] <KAIOUCYTE> i haven't tried that.
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> membry: yesterday i mounted my ntfs partition so that i could access my mp3 collection from ubuntu and i created a link to my mp3 folder in my launcher panel
[11:29] <axonmania> I cant use my desktop with nvidia driver with kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 but I can use it with <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[11:29] <Rocha> KAIOUCYTE, with a separate /home you can share it between systems
[11:29] <elTigre> yeah
[11:29] <elTigre> and totem segfaults
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> and everything was working fine until today...  now when i click on the little folder icon it brings up an error saying that theres no action associated
[11:29] <Rocha> I have the same /home for warty and hoary
[11:29] <spades> shadeofgrey: did ya put the fstab entry so it auto mounts? if not mount it again
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> whats that mean and how do i fix it
[11:30] <Rocha> elTigre, warty or hoary?
[11:30] <TheGreatDinz> can you have /home on a VFAT partition so that you can share with XP?
[11:30] <elTigre> warty
[11:30] <membreya> shadeofgrey: go to a console and type sudo nano -w /etc/fstabs
[11:30] <Rocha> TheGreatDinz, nop
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> spades:  i put it in the fstab config file yesterday as the botto, line
[11:30] <bulio> Can anyone help me setup my Usb external dsl pppoe modem with ubuntu live?
[11:30] <membreya> ...and don't pick on me for using nano :P
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> membrey:  what does that do?
[11:30] <Rocha> TheGreatDinz, windows doesn't use a /home
[11:31] <membreya> when you're in the console shadeofgrey and you type mount
[11:31] <Rocha> I don't use windows btw, so i can be wrong
[11:31] <membreya> what does it show ?
[11:31] <jinx_> membreya: I use nano, purely because you end up typing far too many characters with vi
[11:31] <bulio> Can anyone help me setup my Usb external dsl pppoe modem with ubuntu live?
[11:31] <jinx_> membreya: colon this, escape that... I just want to type
[11:31] <TheGreatDinz> right, but what I'm saying is if you want to save files to /home and then get them in windows
[11:31] <membreya> jinx_: I either use nano or gedit :P
[11:31] <TheGreatDinz> but I guess that would be a mess
[11:31] <awtcmc> can anyone help out with a partitioning scheme for a 200 gb harddrive?
[11:31] <elTigre> I think I found the problem
[11:31] <chaosmind> nano or gedit? have the vi vs. emacs wars been preempted? ;-)
[11:31] <bulio> can anyone here me?
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> membrey:  okay - the line to mount my windows partition is at the bottom of the fstab file just as it was yesterday
[11:32] <membreya> no no Chand ... i use both :P
[11:32] <elTigre> when installing gstreamer-mad, it installs the one for gstreamer 0.6
[11:32] <membreya> chaosmind even :P
[11:32] <spades> shadeofgrey: paste the line incase it has an error
[11:32] <membreya> shadeofgrey: ....but when you type mount
[11:32] <chaosmind> LOL
[11:32] <membreya> what volumes are mounted
[11:32] <elTigre> however, gstreamer is used in version 0.8 probably
[11:32] <Rocha> Xappe, another bug i've found today
[11:32] <membreya> chaosmind: ...shush im getting used to being lazy and tabbing everything :P
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[11:32] <Rocha> Xappe, "Networking" app doesn't work with a modem
[11:33] <JDahl> bulio, we hear you... if someone doesnt asnwer questions, it's because noone knows the answer
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> why should i type mount?  doesnt the fstab file tell ubuntu to auto mount it at bootup?
[11:33] <Xappe> Rocha, ok, i'm on a lan connection myself...
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> isnt that the point of having the fstab file?
[11:34] <membreya> shadeofgrey: was just seeing if it was mounted ya nong
[11:34] <chaosmind> my system mounts disks okay (except firewire), but unmounting is usually tricky....
[11:34] <chaosmind> do most people have to issue 'lsof /cdrom -l' to eject CDs?
[11:35] <elTigre> rocha: I had to install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> okay i typed mount
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> it didnt have any errors
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> /dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[11:35] <spades> df -h see if it lists the win one
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> /dev/hda1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)
[11:35] <membreya> can you change to /mnt/windows
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> i can see it just finein the file manager
[11:36] <elTigre> but totem still segfaults
[11:36] <spades> maybe your simlink is messed up?
[11:36] <membreya> only 58gb free :(
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> its just that when i create a link to it in the launcher it says theres no action associated with the file
[11:36] <membreya> shadeofgrey: .. I think nautilus is having problems
[11:36] <bulio> does Ubuntu have any support for Usb Dsl modems?
[11:36] <awtcmc> can anyone out there help with a partitioning scheme for a 200 gb hard drive?
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> wait
[11:37] <bulio> someone please help me
[11:37] <shadeofgrey> i changed some of my user permissions ...  maybe thats it
[11:37] <membreya> bulio: ...have you checked the forums?
[11:37] <elTigre> ok totem won't segfault anymore, I deleted the playlist left by gentoo
[11:37] <chaosmind> awtcmc: boot drive?  only drive?
[11:37] <bulio> I have
[11:37] <spades> shadeofgrey: tryed simlinking from a terminal? ln -s /mnt/windows /home/win
[11:38] <shadeofgrey> spades: what does that do?
[11:38] <chaosmind> the partitioning scheme for a system depends on what you're going to use it for, personal desktop, multiuser server, etc.
[11:38] <spades> creats a symbolic link
[11:38] <awtcmc> it will be the only drive.  just a home use computer.  most of the space will go to /home for mp3s.  so, i want to have partitions for /boot, /, /usr, swap, & /home.
[11:38] <awtcmc> won't be used as a server, so i don't need separate /var & /tmp partitions
[11:39] <chaosmind> sounds like you know as much as me!  =)
[11:39] <awtcmc> how big to make the /boot, /usr, & / partitions?  will have 1 GB of ddr RAM, is a 2 GB swap partition necessary?
[11:40] <awtcmc> i've heard that 100 mb is good for the /boot partiton, but is this too big?
[11:40] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, /boot = 50 megs (plenty)
[11:41] <awtcmc> or do i even need a /boot partition if i can use something like gnoppix for rescue purposes?
[11:41] <chaosmind> maybe 10 megs for boot, 10 Gigs for root (overkill, but hey), 1 Gig for swap and all the rest for /home
[11:41] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, you won't need 2 gig swap either with that much ram
[11:41] <aeonphive> anyone get mp3 playback which is too fast?
[11:41] <chaosmind> sorry, 100 Megs for boot...
[11:42] <chaosmind> much more than 500 Megs of swap these days is probably wasteful...
[11:42] <Xappe> i would say a 250 - 500 MB swap would be enough
[11:42] <axonmania> how can I build nvidia driver?
[11:42] <chaosmind> nvidia driver==binary only
[11:42] <chaosmind> alas
[11:42] <AndyR> axonmania, do you need to?
[11:42] <chaosmind> =(
[11:42] <awtcmc> how about the /usr partition?
[11:43] <axonmania> I have it but it doesnt work with my current kernel
[11:43] <chaosmind> am i the only one who gets screwed up login screen resolutions after installing the binary nvidia driver?
[11:43] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, I think 5-10 gigs is plenty
[11:43] <AndyR> axonmania, just get the x-server
[11:43] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, with 200 gig drive I would go 10 gigs
[11:43] <awtcmc> also, i'm confused about the use of /usr/local or /opt for software not included with the distro.  which one should be used?
[11:44] <chaosmind> awtcmc: more than 5-10 Gig (like LJ says) is abundant for /usr if you're not going to be installing massive amounts of custom webapps or development systems.
[11:44] <axonmania> I have used it with my old kernel with no problem but after updating to new kernel it doesent work
[11:44] <sys2> wtf is up with a root password set but i dont get to know what it is?
[11:44] <axonmania> I will rebuilt it but how?
[11:44] <spades> sys2: sudo passwd root  reset it
[11:44] <chaosmind> sys2: there's no root account on ubuntu!
[11:44] <awtcmc> if i have a 10 gb /usr partition, then root surely does not need to be 10 gb right?
[11:44] <chaosmind> it's all sudo!
[11:44] <ompaul> sys2, there is no root - it is sudo
[11:44] <shadeofgrey> okay spades i typed the command you requested
[11:45] <shadeofgrey> it executed with no errors
[11:45] <Xappe> when i get money at the end of the month i think i'll go for a 300 GB seagate hdd...900 SEK (around 130 USD)
[11:45] <chaosmind> root, as in the / directory, not the "root" account
[11:45] <spades> chaosmind: i like to use root, easyer than sudo this and sudothat, just su and go about your day
[11:45] <sys2> ehm ?
[11:45] <shadeofgrey> now what?
[11:45] <klaym> what's the command to terminate current running application on terminal?
[11:45] <membreya> hmmmm ...interesting....ive mounted a fat32 partition..however my music videos folder is locked..any ideas?
[11:45] <sys2> now that must be one of the most stupid things i ever heard? :/
[11:45] <spades> shadeofgrey: open your file manager and see if it can browse the /home/win folder
[11:45] <ompaul> sys2, what is?
[11:45] <sys2> the fact that there is no root user :>
[11:45] <chaosmind> command to terminate= kill ( or Ctrl-C )
[11:45] <AndyR> axonmania, you need kernel headers to exactly match the kernel
[11:46] <AndyR> i slipped up on that
[11:46] <shadeofgrey> i can browse to it fine -- even through /mnt/windows  -- i just cant link directly to it for some strange reason
[11:46] <spades> root@amd:/home/lenny # whoami
[11:46] <spades> root
[11:46] <Tomcat_> Why is madwifi in restricted-modules while ipw2x00 isn't? They both have binary-only firmware with them, don't they?
[11:46] <chaosmind> the root user is a convenience, but the sudo system (like MacOS X uses) is in fact a little bit more secure!
[11:46] <ompaul> sys2, (A) there is a root user (B) you do not have the password (C) use of sudo is to be encouraged as it logs the commands used :)
[11:46] <AndyR> i only had headers for -386 not 686
[11:46] <axonmania> yes I know I had downloaded all but it doesnt work
[11:46] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, don't forget the root directory will contain /var. When you do an upgrade apt downloads the packages to a directory in /var and log files are in there as well.
[11:46] <chaosmind> ompaul, =)
[11:46] <sys2> ompaul, and type sudo for each command no matter how many they are?
[11:47] <ompaul> sys2 no
[11:47] <shadeofgrey> hey ompaul can i talk to you in a msg window for a little bit?  Ive run into a very obscure problem
[11:47] <awtcmc> so, is 10 gb too much for / partition?
[11:47] <spades> sys2: sudo passwd root  set a root pass and su up and go about your day
[11:47] <chaosmind> 10gb isn't too much out of 200gb
[11:47] <chaosmind> !
[11:47] <shadeofgrey> awtcmc:  mine is 48 gigs
[11:47] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, with a seperate /usr directory I think that 5 gig is fine
[11:47] <membreya> spades: ....or sudo -s :P
[11:47] <awtcmc> chaosmind, but would 10 gb be wasteful for /?
[11:48] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, but it's up 2 you :)
[11:48] <chaosmind> maybe a little less, if you want more for /home
[11:48] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, no ask in the channel if I think that I have an answer then we _may_ take it to message if and only if think it would bore the socks off everyone and then if I do not have the answer then others moight
[11:48] <spades> membreya: less keystrokes :P
[11:48] <membreya> :P
[11:48] <awtcmc> so, do i need a /boot partition if i can use something like gnoppix for system rescue?
[11:48] <jinx_> hrm.  I've forgotten how to setup linux so that the machine knows it's on a certain domain
[11:49] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, are you planning on dual booting with another operating system ?
[11:49] <jinx_> so I don't have to type 'ssh othermachine.domain' and can type 'ssh othermachine' for example
[11:49] <ompaul> jinx_, have a look at having ssh allow you login without passwords
[11:49] <LinuxJones> jinx_, you need to add an entry in /etc/hosts
[11:49] <awtcmc> linuxjones:  yeah, its a 250 gb drive.  200 gb will be reserved for linux, whatever is left is for winblows xp for gaming.
[11:50] <Phr0stByte> Xsane will not see my HP PhotoSmart 2610xi, though the device prinys fine, I cannot scan. Does anyone have some input on this?
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> okay ompaul - remember yeterday when you and a few others helped me mount my ntfs partition so i could listen to my mp3s?
[11:50] <membreya> hmmmm mplayer .... i can make the window bigger..but the video size isn't changing :\
[11:50] <Phr0stByte> *prints
[11:50] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, we may have given you some advice alright :)
[11:50] <LinuxJones> jinx_, a seperate /boot partition is always a good idea :)
[11:51] <jinx_> LinuxJones: not when I have a DNS server running in my lounge I don't
[11:51] <shadeofgrey> well - i dragged the mp3 folder to my launcher panel so all id have to do to get there is click the folder icon and the entire contents of my mp3 folder wopuld display in a new file browser window
[11:51] <ompaul> Phr0stByte, a pointer to prints?
[11:51] <elTigre> hmm where can I find some info on how to make my cardreader work?
[11:51] <LinuxJones> jinx_, sorry that was for awtcmc :)
[11:51] <jinx_> LinuxJones: i gathered - my response to you was about /etc/hosts
[11:51] <Phr0stByte> ompaul: not following you...
[11:51] <shadeofgrey> well now when i click on the link it says theres no action defined
[11:52] <ompaul> Phr0stByte, that last comment :-) * as in pointer in C
[11:52] <LinuxJones> jinx_, linux uses the /etc/hosts file first when trying to resolve any domain names
[11:52] <LinuxJones> jinx_, it's up to you
[11:53] <Phr0stByte> Xsane will not see my HP PhotoSmart 2610xi, though the device prints fine, I cannot scan. Does anyone have some input on this?
[11:53] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, I know what you are trying to achieve, however I have not done same, just one question is that partition mounted?
[11:54] <shadeofgrey> ompaul:  yes - its auto mounted every bootup - i put it in my fstab file
[11:54] <spades> shadeofgrey: try the thing i pmed ya with, should do the trick
[11:54] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, and you can cd to it?
[11:54] <shadeofgrey> working on it spades
[11:54] <shadeofgrey> and yes paul..  i can even nav to it with nautilus no problem..  i just can't link to it for some reason
[11:55] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, which player are you using?
[11:56] <shadeofgrey> its not a player issue
[11:56] <shadeofgrey> everything plays fine
[11:56] <Xappe> shadeofgrey, what does the .desktop file say?
[11:56] <Xappe> (or the proprties of the link)
[11:57] <shadeofgrey> Xappe:  URL:  file:///mnt/windows/mp3
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> Xappe:  Type:  Link
[11:58] <sys2> heres an idea for you people, about that root think .. most unix people panic if they cant just say "root" as login and a password or no password at all ... make a big red flashing sign telling how to set the root password. ..
[11:58] <Xappe> shadeofgrey, try a link with 'nautilus <folder path>'
[11:59] <spades> Xappe: i told him that and he still says it errors
[11:59] <shadeofgrey> it says the specified location is invalid
[11:59] <elTigre> how can I make gnome mount my usb card reader automatically?
[11:59] <Xappe> strange
[11:59] <aeonphive> anyone know how to check information on sound cards? trying to find which driver i should use for alsa
[11:59] <shadeofgrey> im going to reboot and see if that helps


[00:03] <Bashing-om> If any help in migrating - I do have a template saved of Gdoc.
[00:03] <krytarik> Oh right, I *did* look into converting the script at the time too, but realized that Discourse doesn't offer direct links to the topics like the wiki does.. so we could either just put the issue topics there without them being links, which I think I'd prefer, or drop the topic list completely.
[00:14] <guiverc> being on fridge without the links is fine with me krytarik
[00:21] <Bashing-om> In the mean time -- do we use the WIKI to prep for the 810 issue directly ?
[00:24] <guiverc> I'd opt for it on discourse; I think that maybe easier (though discourse can get slow on larger docs; that is PC/browser specific I suspect) but at least it's a 'nicer' & 'larger' window.  we could use another gdoc (temporarily anyway) from your template Bashing-om until decision is made
[00:25] <guiverc> I'm writing email to nathan; FYI mostly  (I believe he was owner of doc)
[00:34] <guiverc> email send to nhaines; copy also sent to you bashing-om
[00:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - looking.
[00:37] <guiverc> & yeah I do think I recall you giving options for fridge back-whenever  (script change)..
[00:37] <guiverc> krytarik, ^
[00:44] <krytarik> So I've just adjusted the Fridge script to work with Discourse, except I noticed that currently the license reference at the bottom of the post on the latter doesn't include the link as usual.. if it did similar to the wiki then the script also works in this regard - it'd be formatted like this: "...licensed under a [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/](Creative Commons ...
[00:44] <krytarik> ... Attribution ShareAlike 3.0 License)" followed by the image.
[00:48] <krytarik> Seeing how on the Fridge the image is left of the text, it'd be nice though if the same would be possible on Discourse too.
[01:04] <krytarik> Uhm, while one doesn't see this in the rendered page on the wiki nor on Discourse, I just noticed that in the current UWN issue a few list headers aren't followed by an empty line, which results in it looking crappy on the forums.
[01:05] <krytarik> Same with links that are followed by additional links in a list.
[01:07] <krytarik> Also there are summary headers with the same issue, though this should look the same on the forums - but not in the email.
[01:14] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Looking at the Forums post :(
[01:26] <krytarik> guiverc: I just updated the 'discourse' branch of the UWN repo with the added Discourse variant of the Fridge script, but also a slight oversight fix wrt the license part to the generation of the forums post.
[01:27] <krytarik> Bashing-om: If you've ever pulled from said branch yet, this is also for you.
[01:28] <guiverc> thanks krytarik
[01:38] <Bashing-om> krytarik: A simple " git pull origin discourse ; git checkout discourse " will do ?
[01:41] <krytarik> Sounds good, unless you did pull previously already - then an overwrite will be necessary.
[01:45] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Sometime back I did have to revert >> "git checkout wiki2forum/reformat.py". I did not note the date.
[01:46] <krytarik> Yeah, that's unrelated though.
[01:47] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Great then - doing that pull ad checkout for discourse
[01:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ungood on my part: git pull origin discourse >> " fatal: Need to specify how to reconcile divergent branches." . No idea of what is required here. in spite of the hints provided.
[01:57] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Try "git checkout discourse" followed by "git reset --hard origin/discourse" - and sorry for the inconvenience. >_>
[01:59] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Can not blame you for me not knowing what I am doing . The git world is an unknown to me.
[02:03] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Oh my - My plot thickens. git checkout discourse >> Already on 'discourse'; Your branch and 'origin/discourse' have diverged,; and have 1 and 1 different commits each, respectively.; (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours). // At a loss now as to how to proceed:(
[02:04] <krytarik> The second command should work here, did it not?
[02:06] <Bashing-om> krytarik: trying that 2nd command now :)
[02:07] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup --- output looks good :D
[02:08] <krytarik> \o/
[02:10] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Pulled in "publish-uwn-discourse.pl" :D
[02:12] <krytarik> And mooore, yes! :P
[02:27] <krytarik> We still need to solve the issue of links on its own under summaries that link to Discourse or the Ubuntu blog being previewed there instead of simply showing the link - we could use special Discourse markdown for this, but then they'd look crappy in the email, otoh it currently looks crappy and duplicated on Discourse..
[02:30] <guiverc> I don't mind how it looks currently; if I need to search for something I'm happy to ^F & get there myself...  (though aesthetics isn't something I value that highly so my view isn't always helpful)
[02:31] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Me no help there - been years since I did Job Control Language stuff.
[02:34] <krytarik> Heh, I just noticed things like "X.Org" now get rendered as links on Discourse too. >_<
[02:41] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I did notice on Discourse - X.Org, but could not see a way to escape :(
[02:42]  * guiverc just had a few quick tries; also failed to achieve it
[02:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ubuntu AI podcast: What is Generative AI? @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-ai-podcast-what-is-generative-ai
[02:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Scarlett Gately Moore: KDE: Debian: Hopefully a short goodbye for now. @ https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/kde-debian-hopefully-a-short-goodbye-for-now/
[02:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: A call for community @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/a-call-for-community
[02:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 809 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/10/16/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-809/
[02:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur) released @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/10/16/ubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/
[02:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Kubuntu General News: Kubuntu 23.10 Mantic Minotaur Released @ https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/
[02:48] <krytarik> guiverc, Bashing-om: Uhm, I just noticed that I made a mistake wrt link markdown there, so that will need an update..
[02:50] <Bashing-om> krytarik: update there meaning " git checkout discourse " ?
[02:54] <krytarik> Not done yet, but then it'd be "git fetch origin discourse; git reset --hard origin/discourse" while checked into the discourse branch.
[03:10] <krytarik> It's now up!
[03:11] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ack - fetching :D
[03:13] <guiverc> thanks (once again) krytarik !
[03:19] <krytarik> Hilariously though, I based the relevant changes on an "issues/773/discourse.post" I still got lying around from my previous tests, but as it turns out the link markdown there wrt the license was reversed I think because it was prior to fixing the reformat script in this regard and I didn't update the file afterwards.. >_<
[03:23] <Bashing-om> krytarik: My faith never waivered for even a moment :P
[03:27] <guiverc> :)  Bashing-om, where do we want to create & store a discourse skeleton; i like discourse as its easy to find, alas public (won't be noticed by many except when its changed & jumps to top) or elsewhere; I'll help set it up (we can comment instructions in it too etc if you're not aware); any thoughts?
[03:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Discourse will work for me - Given time I will learn the ropes. If you start it - I will begin to fill it in :P
[03:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do like that we work from a platform that the news team controls :D
[03:30] <guiverc> okay... I'm going to walk dog (+ me, as soon as i can) & got a few domestic things to start/do, so for me to start it maybe a few hours
[03:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good enough - in a bit I be headed off to bed.
[03:32] <guiverc> :)
[05:43] <guiverc> skeleton/template at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/uwn-skeleton-template/39501   (it'll contain issues no doubt, but we can work/edit them away)
[05:55] <guiverc> the instructions are mostly unchanged from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate; some where altered (slightly)..   with the instructions becoming visible when you EDIT & look at code etc.
[07:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 809 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/10/16/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-809/
[07:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur) released @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/10/16/ubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/
[16:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Xubuntu 23.10 boasts refinement – lots of refinement @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/10/xubuntu-23-10-features-improvements
[21:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Installing Deb Packages in Ubuntu 23.10 is Harder Than It Should Be @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/10/install-deb-ubuntu-23-10-no-app-error