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[06:08] <lukehasnoname> http://pastebin.com/m54650694
[06:08] <lukehasnoname> That error gets written to /var/log/messages constantly until my root drive is filled.
[06:09] <lukehasnoname> What does it mean for the 'swapper to be tainted'
[06:09] <lukehasnoname> ?
[07:12] <lukehasnoname> google is my friend
[08:56] <apw> lukehasnoname, swapper isn't tainted, the swapper is running when the error occured.  your kernel is tainted 'P' meaning it has proprietry binary blobs loaded into it
[10:19] <sim__> hi, will a sync(2) call cascade to the ATA layer so that the disk write cache is also flushed?
[10:45] <apw> i thought that most ata drives were write through anyhow?
[10:45] <apw> [  151.346413] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[15:53] <sconklin> so pgraner_lt, apw: want to talk about where we put suspend/resume reports in launchpad?
[16:13] <apw> sconklin, hi
[16:13] <sconklin> apw: good afternoon.
[16:13] <apw> i would think directly onto the linux package, with a tag of something like suspend-resume or something
[16:13] <apw> moin
[16:17] <sconklin> apw: the choices for reporting things  against the kernel are Oops or panic - I should be able to get it to report as an oops with the special tag. It appears (after chatting with Leann) that apport oopses get tagged with "apport-kerneloops" and there aren't many bugs tagged with that. With an additional tag, it might be enough to manage work flow.
[16:20] <sconklin> I'll cobble that in, test it, and mail the script around
[16:21] <ogasawara> sconklin:  there is currently a "suspend" tag being used in launchpad so I'm not sure if you'd want to use that
[16:22] <ogasawara> sconklin: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=suspend
[16:22] <zul> ls
[16:23] <apw> sconklin, what limits us to oops and panic?  those presumably are things in apport land?
[16:24] <apw> i thought the point was it was very extensible, 'a few lines for a new report'
[16:25] <sconklin> apw: yes. There are a few basic types of reports you can make. But - I'm looking at this now. The docs says you can make a report that's a generic "Bug", but I don't see support for that in the apport source. I'm going to do more looking and some experiments.
[16:26] <apw> cool, i have got petes modified version of the sleep script and am going to merge that down tommorow with mine
[16:26] <apw> and send it out to us all for testing
[16:26] <ogasawara> apw, sconklin: I was going to start tagging existing bugs about suspend or hibernate with their respective "suspend" and "hibernate" tags launchpad since those tags are already being used
[16:26] <apw> ogasawara, sound plan in my mind, as those two are in use
[16:27] <apw> is there also a resume one?
[16:27] <ogasawara> hrm, lemme check
[16:27] <ogasawara> apw: there is - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=resume
[16:28] <apw> and can we check for all three at once?  as long as we can do that we ahve the 'suspend-resume-broken' set
[16:28]  * sconklin needs to see how tags get set in bugs reported by apport
[16:28] <apw> i would hope there is a tag entry in the python dictionary
[16:29]  * apw watches christmas creep up on him, yeeks
[16:29] <sconklin> tags are set in the launchpad back end, not sure they're exposed in the UI - but I'll find a way :)
[16:30] <ogasawara> sconklin: I use python-launchpad-bugs
[16:30] <ogasawara> sconklin: I also think the new launchpad api will probably allow it, although I haven't done any testing with it
[16:31] <apw> this needs to be on the user end, in apport tho
[16:35] <sconklin> right, I meant on the apport end.
[16:35] <sconklin> but I'll eventually end up on the other end too.
[16:38] <ogasawara> apw: you can check for multiple tags for ex https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=suspend+resume however, that will show bugs tagged "suspend" || "resume"
[16:40] <sconklin> tags are set automatically in the apport backend for launchpad from a small set, and aren't exposed from the reports.
[16:43] <apw> ogasawara, or is what we want, any of the above
[16:43] <apw> sconklin, well thats a bit pants isn't it?
[16:43] <ogasawara> apw: cool, then we're good
[16:45] <sconklin> apw: this is all fun stuff to learn about, too bad it's due yesterday. :)
[16:45] <ogasawara> heh
[16:45] <apw> we're not in _that_ much of a hurry
[16:46] <sconklin> apw: I had hoped to at least have a firm plan before the break, but at least I know we can do it with the tools we have.
[16:51] <apw> yeah
[16:51] <apw> have you managed to report any bugs yet?
[16:53] <sconklin> apw: well, I sent one up, and it vanished. I think it failed to get into launchpad because (for reasons I don't understand) it was reported against the linux-meta package.
[16:53] <apw> heh, going to be a battle for sure
[16:54] <sconklin> apw: I'm adding code to include the tags as a test, then I'll try again. It depends on whether launchpad will process multiple "Tag" tags in the mime data.
[16:54] <apw> ah ok
[16:54]  * apw gets a reminder for his cancelled meeting
[16:54] <apw> noting that the reminder even has cancelled in the text of the reminder!?!
[16:55] <sconklin> Leann suggested reporting against staging.launchpad.com, but the URLs are hard-coded in the apport back end. I think I'll talk with pitti about that when he returns after holidays and submit a patch
[16:55] <apw> yeah sounds like there is abunch of work needed on apport as well
[16:56] <ogasawara> sconklin: not a big deal to me if you can't use staging for testing purposes - I can ignore test bugs.
[16:56] <sconklin> In general, I think it's really well written, we just want to extend it in ways pitti didn't think about
[16:57] <sconklin> ogasawara: ok, thanks. If I can get arbitrary tags in there, this will be no big deal.
[16:58] <sconklin> in this test script, every report also has a tag "Aattention: 'This is a test of apport report generation, please delete and do not process'" and "Originator: (me)"
[16:58] <sconklin> Aattention is misspelled on purpose, to drive it to the top alphabetically
[16:59] <apw> heh
[17:03] <apw> sconklin, so are you going to expose the tags to the drivers here?
[17:03] <apw> ie allow the report to add tags directly?
[17:06] <apw> it looks like a two line patch to expose tags i think
[17:06] <sconklin> apw: That's what I'm studying the code to test now. Using existing apport UI, I can add a second "Tags" to the mime info that's sent up during the launchpad submission. I can't add tags to the existing place where they're written. It will work as long as the launchpad end handles more than one "Tags".
[17:07] <mrec> Hi, does anyone know about the em28xx driver here?
[17:07] <apw> if not we woul djust need to fix the apport to hdr['Tags'] += report.get('Tags') sort of thing
[17:07] <apw> mrec, what you want to know about it?
[17:07] <mrec> maybe a solution should come up for ubuntu, the kernelstuff is just a mess and there won't be any official manufacturer support for it for some reason.
[17:08] <mrec> well there are 2 drivers available now
[17:08] <mrec> one which supports most devices and one which won't ever have support for the latest devices
[17:08] <mrec> I was providing debian packages for ubuntu for a while now
[17:09] <apw> so what is wrong with the kernel as it stands, offering the wrong one of the two drivers?
[17:10] <mrec> yes they'll go their own way without official support.
[17:11] <mrec> I gave them the possibility to use the fully supported driver, but the v4l maintainer wants to go his own way
[17:11] <mrec> so I won't contribute to the linux kernel anymore.
[17:11] <apw> thats a shame
[17:11] <mrec> some companies who we work with don't want everything opensourced anymore either.
[17:12] <mrec> well it's linux I acknowlidge it.
[17:12] <apw> then they are going to find they can't offer their devices on netbooks and the like, so i guess people will have to use different hardware, their loss i guess
[17:13] <mrec> there are not that many possibilities available out there
[17:13] <mrec> and that company is likely market leader
[17:13] <mrec> main business is done with windows and OSX right now anyway
[17:13] <apw> indeed, but if we can't use 'em then we can't use 'em, its not like we have a choice without a driver
[17:14] <apw> so until it hurts them in the pocket book we have no pressure to put on them
[17:14] <mrec> it won't hurt since they pay me for adding support for it
[17:14] <laga> is it open source?
[17:14] <apw> but i thought you weren't doing it any more?
[17:14] <mrec> not everything.
[17:15] <mrec> I won't contribute to the kernel directly and only provide packages
[17:15] <mrec> but some devices can work without that proprietary stuff
[17:15] <laga> so there's another delta ubuntu needs to maintain
[17:16] <mrec> I could help to maintain it for ubuntu
[17:16] <mrec> I provided driver packages earlier already right now
[17:16] <apw> mrec, only binary packages?
[17:16] <mrec> my connection is a bit weak here..
[17:17] <mrec> I prebuilt the sources which I are available right now
[17:17] <mrec> the upcoming devices will use the i2c-dev interface for configuring those proprietary DVB-C/DVB-T/ATSC chips
[17:17] <mrec> so nothing unusual actually
[17:19] <mrec> my personal goal is just to have those things work. Not one step further.
[17:19] <mrec> so I can work on the next project actually.
[17:19] <apw> ok, not really sure what the question is
[17:20] <apw> what it is you are proposing?  requesting?
[17:20] <mrec> to add the current driver
[17:20] <mrec> http://mcentral.de/hg/~mrec/em28xx-new/shortlog/
[17:21] <mrec> linuxtv is only developed by a few volunteers adding code now and then, that code has a dedicated development tree
[17:22] <mrec> that driver*
[17:23] <mrec> how does that linux-ubuntu-modules package actually work out?
[17:23] <mrec> especially the release cycles?
[17:23] <mrec> I usually build that module against the lum packages and make debian packages out of those binaries so people can just load the drivers
[17:24] <mrec> if I'd know when new packages will come out I could just prepare the packages
[17:24] <apw> well l-u-m has gone as of intrepid
[17:24] <apw> they are now integrated into the kernel package
[17:24] <mrec> ah great!
[17:25] <mrec> the linuxtv.org code updates the full media framework which makes it impossible to compile other drivers against it as soon as it's installed.
[17:25] <mrec> the code in that mcentral.de repository only installs the driver against the current kernel
[17:25] <ion_> When will smb come?
[17:25] <mrec> it won't touch any framework still while adding newer devices
[17:27] <apw> ok, well i would think the right thing to do is to email the kernel-team mailing list with a request for it to be added as an ubuntu module.  that would need to contain a justification on why we would want to carry it, why it is out of the mainline tree etc
[17:28] <mrec> it's just a bad situation, they told me to add my changes to the official module but I won't do that since I'm only working on adding newer devices to that code anymore.
[17:28] <mrec> I won't get paid for rewriting any code and I have alot more to do than to work for some "enthusiasts"
[17:29] <mrec> just as they won't work for me so it's a stuck situation
[17:29] <laga> "i'm too lazy to submit my code properly so i'll just put the burden on the distros"?
[17:29] <mrec> no my code is properly
[17:29] <mrec> has been developed constantly
[17:30] <mrec> the reason is we won't replace another driver
[17:30] <mrec> submit smaller patches
[17:30] <mjg59> This is the userspace tuner stuff?
[17:30] <mjg59> I don't see that ever going upstream
[17:30] <mrec> no, but I'm going that way in future
[17:30] <mrec> but using i2c-dev
[17:30] <mrec> noone can complain because it already exists
[17:30] <mrec> and was made for such things
[17:31] <mjg59> People can continue to complain
[17:31] <mrec> well i2c-dev is there
[17:31] <mjg59> Yes, but that's not the point
[17:31] <mrec> and there's not even one player which works properly with those devices so I started another one.
[17:31] <mrec> I know alot about DVB and analogTV way more than this v4l maintainer
[17:31] <mrec> he's protecting his position nothing else but people don't see that.
[17:32] <mjg59> That's really not the point
[17:32] <mrec> the point is that the code has been declined years ago
[17:32] <mrec> for no reason without any userspace stuff
[17:32] <mjg59> When it's practical to write an in-kernel driver, pushing gobs of it out to userspace in order to facilitate non-free drivers isn't going to fly
[17:32] <mrec> by people who didn't commit any code to the kernel
[17:32] <mrec> I have an inkernel driver right now
[17:32] <mrec> and I had it at the first point
[17:33] <mrec> the userspace work was developed with the BSD idea in mind
[17:33] <mrec> BSD does tuning in userspace too
[17:34] <mjg59> The BSDs have many design decisions that don't fit with how things are done in Linux
[17:34] <mrec> the linux DVB api hardlocked any machine a few years ago when unplugging USB devices till I submitted a patch
[17:34] <mrec> this never happened with BSD that way
[17:34] <mrec> there are good and bad things everywhere
[17:34] <mrec> my goal is to have that stuff work with the least resistance
[17:35] <mrec> and now noone can put a stone into my way anymore
[17:35] <mrec> there are alot people who never wrote any line of code who discussed that issue back then
[17:35] <mjg59> Well, other than various distributions never shipping your code
[17:35] <mrec> I know the current issues about v4l and dvb too
[17:36] <mrec> and I won't have that issue.
[17:36] <mrec> I only need a few ones
[17:36] <mrec> I installed ubuntu recently, it didn't support that device either firmware was missing.
[17:36] <mrec> and no applications support audio either as mentioned
[17:37] <mrec> http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/ISDB-T
[17:37] <mrec> I have this one now which detects and supports all the device modes for those devices
[17:38] <mrec> as I wrote there's only one goal for me to have those things work.
[17:38] <mrec> few people are contributing to the driver on mcentral.de too
[17:42] <mrec> there's not even a player available for ISDB-T right now
[19:50] <sconklin> ogasawara: My testing has finally resulted in a test bug submitted for kernel. What's the best way to kill the bug, set to 'Invalid" or 'Wontfix'?
[19:50] <ogasawara> sconklin: Invalid
[20:14] <sconklin> ogasawara: if suspend/resume reports were tagged like bug 310997, would that be adequate for helping manage workflow, do you think?
[20:14] <ubot3> Malone bug 310997 in linux "Test - Ignore - should have tags this time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310997
[23:08] <Torgoton> I know this may not be the right place, but I'm trying to install Ubuntu 8.04 on an old laptop. #ubuntu is useless, and #ubuntu-installer folks sent me here. I'm using the 386 netboot files and I get a crash while starting the process. Any tips?
[23:09] <Torgoton> 6.04 netboot files do start an install, but I was hoping for something more recent.
[23:11] <ogasawara> sconklin: re bug 310997 - I think tagging them like that would help
[23:11] <ubot3> Malone bug 310997 in linux "Test - Ignore - should have tags this time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310997
[23:13] <Torgoton> Should I try #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-testing, perhaps?
[23:13] <crimsun> Torgoton: if you can at least provide detail regarding _where_ in "starting the process", that would be useful
[23:14] <crimsun> Torgoton: i'm happy to help you in #ubuntu until we can pinpoint the kernel/initramfs/udev as the culprit
[23:14] <Torgoton> crimsun: uhm... I'm using linld097 to load the linux and initrd.gz files.  Should I move to #ubuntu then?
[23:15] <Torgoton> great.
[23:48] <crimsun> (for those wondering, we worked around it by appending noreplace-paravirt to the command line)


[17:31] <Iamahuman> Hi and thanks for the awesome distro
[17:32] <Iamahuman> When is KDE 5.21 coming to US? Its application launcher is greatly improved from the previous one
[17:45] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman: #kubuntu would be the best place to ask for that. 21.04 has 5.20.90 right now and feature freeze is a week or two away ( Eickmeyer ??). so I expect that is what it will ship with
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Iamahuman, OvenWerks: Can confirm, 5.20.90 is the beta release of 5.21, so 5.21 is planned for 21.04. It will not be backported except (maybe) to the kubuntu backports repository, but I'm not the person to ask about that.
[17:47]  * OvenWerks prefers the application menu for speed and ease of use
[17:47] <OvenWerks> Ah, ok good to know
[17:52] <Iamahuman> Ok, thanks for info. KDE neon already has it (but this is unstable and unreliable in the bigger picture) and will be on Kubuntu 21.04 and Ubuntu Studio too


[13:21] <jp_Hranice> Hallo everybody.
[13:22] <jp_Hranice> I have a qestion about ISO Testing tracker.
[13:23] <jp_Hranice> Why so lot of ISOs are unavaible ?
[13:24] <cr3> jp_Hranice: not sure, but maybe the cd build logs might help: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/
[13:39] <brendand> jp_Hranice - alpha3 iso testing is over
[13:39] <brendand> jp_Hranice - likely the links are now pointing to daily images which are expired
[13:39] <brendand> This build wasn't found on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110803.1/oneiric-desktop-i386.iso (may no longer exists)
[13:40] <brendand> only the last 2 days images are stored at daily-live
[13:40] <brendand> for example
[13:41] <brendand> jibel - which mailing list sends out notifications of iso testing starting?
[13:41] <jp_Hranice> I found something on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110816/
[13:43] <brendand> jp_Hranice - well yes, that is todays image. but there is no call to test it. feel free to try it - but no guarantee of working ;)
[13:43] <jibel> brendand<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:44] <jibel> jp_Hranice, only last 2 successful builds are kept on cdimages.u.c
[13:45] <brendand> jp_Hranice - so if you want to know when ISO testing is needed, subscribe to https://launchpad.net/~iso-testers/+join
[13:45] <jibel> that's why links from the tracker are not active anymore.
[13:45] <jibel> images released for a3 are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/
[13:46] <jibel> but you'd better test daily builds.
[13:46] <brendand> jibel - it would be better of iso.qa.u.c got cleared after the release is made?
[13:50] <jibel> brendand, right. I usually keep it open for a few days for the list of bugs but now it's over. I updated the notice. thanks
[13:54] <jp_Hranice> ok. Thank you
[15:35] <hggdh> jibel: can you review my change to USIT?
[15:36] <jibel> hggdh, of course I can.
[15:36] <jibel> hggdh, and good morning :)
[15:36] <hggdh> jibel: a very good afternoon to you, sir
[15:44] <jibel> hggdh, I have some comments about  end_VM(VM_id)
[15:45] <hggdh> jibel: yes?
[15:45] <jibel> hggdh, VM_id is defined but not used instead test['_id'] is used but its scope is global
[15:45] <jibel> hggdh, and it is not declared as global
[15:46] <hggdh> duh
[15:46] <hggdh> obviously it should use VM_id, not test[...]
[15:47] <hggdh> jibel: this is the beauty of review
[15:47] <hggdh> correcting
[15:47] <jibel> hggdh, my pleasure
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Good morning, jibel and hggdh
[15:47] <jibel> morning charlie-tca !
[15:48] <hggdh> a very good morning to you, charlie-tca
[15:54] <hggdh> jibel: corrected
[16:04] <jibel> hggdh, approved, I'll merge it in a minute with a new test for desktop.
[16:12] <hggdh> jibel: thank you
[16:13] <jibel> hggdh, thanks to you :)
[16:13]  * jibel -> away
[16:28] <hggdh> jibel: (when you are back, tomorrow is good enough) -- did we already drop UEC from the ISO tests?
[16:28] <hggdh> (server tests)
[17:02] <qwebirc58712> bbye
[19:16] <jibel> hggdh, I removed them last milestone, and they should be replaced by openstack ones for Beta
[19:17] <hggdh> jibel: thank you, I just wanted to be sure they were out
[19:17] <jibel> hggdh, I haven't heard from Daviey about it and which test cases should be added.
[19:17] <hggdh> jibel: I asked them today on the server meeting. They are still to work on which tests will be added
[19:18] <jibel> hggdh, will that be ready for B1 testing ?
[19:18] <hggdh> jibel: I doubt... B1 is on us :-(
[19:18] <hggdh> but hope springs eternal, and all that
[19:29] <jibel> hggdh, I'd like to update wazn and aldebaran to r241 tomorrow after the morning run. I'll add jobs for oem, lvm and encrypted home to alternate and desktop. Do you agree ?
[19:29] <hggdh> jibel: yes, I do


[01:26] <bertjerred> hi - i'm brand new at programming & trying to make something with ubuntu sdk. also kind of new to irc. can i ask some 'new guy' questions?
[01:29] <bertjerred> trying to make a frontend for dmg2img...
[01:30] <Elleo> bertjerred: sure, ask away; you might also find helpful hints in the cookbook and on askubuntu
[01:32] <Elleo> bertjerred: also, you wouldn't happen to be the creative commons folk music making bert jerred would you?
[01:32] <bertjerred> hey now - that's me! wha??
[01:33] <bertjerred> a wannabe programmer, too.
[01:33] <Elleo> heh, one of the projects I hack on is libre.fm which tries to make CC music discoverable in a similar way to last.fm, so I've come across your stuff a fair bit :)
[01:34] <bertjerred> that is hilarious. :) can i ask you some really basic c++ things?
[01:34] <Elleo> sure, feel free :)
[01:34] <Elleo> although I might not be around too much longer, is 1:35am over here
[01:34] <Elleo> it's*
[01:36] <bertjerred> that's okay - I'll throw one out there before you have to go - I use QFileDialog to browse for a file, but I don't know how to pass the address of the file to a lineEdit. Does that make sense?
[01:38] <bertjerred> maybe we can talk about it another time, too - so you can get some sleep. :)
[01:38] <Elleo> okay, well there's two parts to that really; 1) Getting the file path from the qfiledialog and 2) putting it in the qlineedit
[01:39] <Elleo> are you familiar with Qt's signals and slots at all yet?
[01:39] <DasGoat> Hello everyone.
[01:39] <bertjerred> signals & slots: only barely. Also, Hi DasGoat!
[01:40] <bertjerred> in a way, you've told me what to read up on next. ;)
[01:40] <Elleo> the really high level description of what you need to do would be to connect a slot (basically a specially designated method) to the qfiledialog's fileSelected signal
[01:41] <bertjerred> ok - that makes some sense...
[01:41] <DasGoat> I was wondering is anyone could answer two quick questions. The first question is: where are the help files? One of the tutorials I am doing says to click on the element (Image, for example) and then press F1. the help box loads, but there is not contecnt in the help box.
[01:41] <Elleo> when a file gets selected the qfiledialog will call send its signal to your slot (essentially calling your function with the file path as a parameter)
[01:41] <Elleo> then inside that function you can just call your qlineedit's insert() method, passing in that file path
[01:42] <Elleo> that might not all make sense straight off, but if you can find a nice quick tutorial on slots and signals it'll hopefully drop into place
[01:43] <DasGoat> I can provide a video link for a signal example.
[01:43] <Elleo> bertjerred: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/signalsandslots.html might be a good place to start
[01:43] <Elleo> DasGoat: oh that sounds good
[01:43] <bertjerred> Oh man - that is SUPER helpful. Now I know what to look up. And sure - I'd love a video link. Thanks!
[01:43] <bertjerred> Awesome!
[01:44] <bertjerred> P.S. New music coming soon. ;)
[01:44] <DasGoat> here is that video link for a tutorial on signals   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20utcSsTUZQ
[01:44] <Elleo> DasGoat: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ <-- those are the ubuntu sdk specific docs
[01:45] <DasGoat> I have not used IRC in years, how to I wisper again?
[01:45] <Elleo> not sure if that'll cover exactly what you were looking for without knowing what the example was about
[01:45] <Elleo> DasGoat: /msg person your message
[01:45] <bertjerred> Fantastic - I guess I'd better get reading/watching - thanks everyone!
[01:45] <Elleo> e.g. /msg Elleo you rock ;)
[01:45] <Elleo> bertjerred: great :)
[01:45] <DasGoat> Thank you
[01:48] <DasGoat> It is if Cononical striped out the basic help files that explain how functions like Image or Text or Rectangle work
[01:48] <DasGoat> where did I go?
[01:49] <DasGoat> Oh, I am back now.
[01:49] <Elleo> DasGoat: you'll find the docs for all the fundamental QML types here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtQuick/
[01:49] <DasGoat> Anyway, it seems like the help files are missing. If I click on a function like Rectangle I should be able to press F1 and get a help file on Rectange with examples on usage.
[01:50] <Elleo> it looks like the QML help files aren't bundled with the SDK at the moment, you might want to file a bug about that
[01:50] <Elleo> but for now you can get at them all on the website, e.g. http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtQuick.Rectangle/
[01:51] <DasGoat> Egad!
[01:52] <DasGoat> yeah, and the help files at the link you gave me, Elleo, are not as useful as the ones that come with Qt.
[01:53] <Elleo> DasGoat: you can also find them on the Qt site: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-rectangle.html
[01:53] <Elleo> they're basically identical except that the example images are missing from the Ubuntu clone at the moment
[01:53] <DasGoat> Wowsers! Does anyone know of a way to extract the help files from, say, the basic Qt installation and port them to the Ubuntu SDK?
[01:54] <Elleo> DasGoat: I expect just replacing the qtcreator.qch with the one from a stock qtcreator install would do the trick
[01:54] <Elleo> DasGoat: that's stored in /usr/share/qtcreator/doc
[01:56] <Elleo> anyway, that's me done for the evening; good night :)
[01:57] <DasGoat> I have another question. The tutorials I have found use a Stock Qt on Ubuntu 12.04. In that version of Qt Creator, the project file is listed in the creator Open documents area, but the SDK one does not show the project file. Is there a way to correct this?
[01:58] <DasGoat> Thank Elleo, i will try your suggestion
[02:00] <DasGoat> the path /usr/share/qtcreator/ does not exist?
[05:47] <AskUbuntu> Limit bandwidth of application listening at tcp port for development | http://askubuntu.com/q/377818
[11:55] <AskUbuntu> Auto switch workspaces | http://askubuntu.com/q/377901
[14:41] <AskUbuntu> My Weather Indicator Widget correction | http://askubuntu.com/q/377969
[15:11] <bertjerred> http://dmgmounter.blogspot.com/2013/11/dmgmounter-progress-11-16-2013.html hi all - looking for some dummy-proof suggestions here... thanks if you can!
[16:22] <Das_> Good morning everyone
[16:22] <Das_> I have a few general questions I am hopeing someone can help with.
[16:23] <Das_> I notice that the help pages do not load in the Ubuntu SDK. Elleo suggested that I copy the qtcreator.qch file from another, working version and replace my existing file
[16:24] <Das_> That don't work. Anyone have another suggestions?
[16:29] <Das_> Is anyone alive in here?
[16:39] <Das_> <--- whistling in the dark ...


[12:40] <rbasak> I'd like to get a list of all git_repository objects owned by ~usd-import-team with Ubuntu distribution source package targets.
[12:41] <rbasak> Does sharing_service.getSharedGitRepositories do what I want?
[12:41] <rbasak> How in launchpad do I get an object which has that method?
[12:46] <rbasak> in launchpadlib I mean
[12:57] <rbasak> tomwardill: ^ please
[12:57] <tomwardill> rbasak: err, I don't know :) I can have a look after this meeting
[12:58] <rbasak> Thanks ;)
[13:36] <tomwardill> rbasak: lp.git_repositories.getRepositories(target=<dsp>)
[13:36] <tomwardill> hmm, no, that's not quite what you want
[13:37] <tomwardill> I can't see a way other than doing lp.git_repositories.getRepositories(target=~usd-import-team) and then interating
[13:37]  * tomwardill defers to cjwatson
[13:40] <cjwatson> I can't think of anything else.
[13:40] <cjwatson> Presumably a tiny minority of ~usd-import-team's repos *aren't* owned by DSPs
[13:41] <cjwatson> And sharing_service.getSharedGitRepositories is not what you want, no
[13:41] <cjwatson> (Fairly sure public repos won't appear there, which will be ~all of them)
[14:15] <rbasak> Ah
[14:16] <rbasak> I didn't realise that using ~usd-import-team as a target would give me those repositories (I thought the target was the DSP?)
[14:16] <rbasak> lp.git_repositories.getRepositories(target=lp.people['usd-import-team']) gives me 5412 entries, so that's probably it.
[14:17] <rbasak> I can filter that by Ubuntu DSP client-side - as you say most of them will match. Thanks!
[14:23] <cjwatson> It's a bit weird and possibly an accident.  But a convenient one ...
[14:23] <cjwatson> Should possibly add an optional owner argument to that
[14:24] <cjwatson> (My expectation without having checked the code recently would have been the same as yours.  But it does IGitCollection(target), and the IGitCollection adapter for Person is .ownedBy)
[14:30] <rbasak> To make this go faster, is there any way I can get the self_link for each entry in a collection without loading each entry from LP? I presume that's what happens if I just try to iterate over them?
[14:30] <rbasak> I'm really just after a list of the push URL for every repository currently imported by git-ubuntu for a fix-up hack script to chug through them all. So hacks are fine.
[14:31] <rbasak> So I can do the filter just by checking self_link.startswith(...).
[14:31] <rbasak> And compose the push URL string manually by hacking on the URL.
[14:47] <cjwatson> rbasak: Each batch of the collection response has the full representation of each of the entries in the batch.  You'd only need to optimise that way if you were looking at other objects referred to by those entries.
[14:47] <cjwatson> rbasak: Have a look at this to see what I mean:  curl -s 'https://api.launchpad.net/devel/+git?target=%22%2F~usd-import-team%22&ws.op=getRepositories' | jq -S
[14:48] <cjwatson> If you just iterate over the collection and only look at immediate properties of the entries in it, you'll make about n/75 requests.
[14:49] <rbasak> cjwatson: understood. Thanks!


[00:01] <daftykins> ooh i'm pushing max upload
[00:01] <diddledan> I've got nobody on my home connection and 1user on my server
[00:01] <daftykins> heh
[00:02] <directhex> bedtime. i seem to have the flu, recorded that last video full of coughs :(
[00:02] <directhex> and yes i still have my headache, 24 hours solid now
[00:04] <daftykins> :(
[00:05] <daftykins> directhex: get well soon o/
[00:05] <daftykins> ooh a Swede and an IPv6 user now
[00:08] <diddledan> I've got two users each on home and server - same pair on both
[00:08] <maps|wrk> hi guys
[00:08] <diddledan> ello maps|wrk
[00:10] <directhex> traffic increasing. ganalytics says 18 visitors right now
[00:10] <directhex> right, bed
[00:10] <popey> uploading at ~300K/s
[00:10] <diddledan> ganalytics?
[00:10] <directhex> https://www.google.com/analytics/
[00:10] <diddledan> oh google
[00:11] <diddledan> what's the website? I've not seen that yet
[00:12] <maps|wrk> il start mine in a bit
[00:12] <maps|wrk> ;]
[00:12] <directhex> http://directhex.github.io/steamos-installer/?r93
[00:45] <maps|wrk> noone awake now? O_o
[00:46] <daftykins> sorta
[00:50] <shauno> I shouldn't be :/
[00:51] <daftykins> that's a bad shauno!
[00:51] <shauno> tell me about it.  I've got to be up at 5!
[00:51] <daftykins> whaaaaaat!
[00:51] <diddledan> ouch, on a saturday, too
[00:51] <daftykins> what ever for?
[00:51] <shauno> the W word
[00:52] <maps|wrk> ugh
[00:52] <daftykins> Windsurfing you say
[00:52] <daftykins> ;D
[00:52] <shauno> something like that ;)
[00:55] <maps|wrk> :)
[00:55] <maps|wrk> hm might go see new captain america next week
[00:55] <maps|wrk> so id better watch the 1st one soon:D
[00:56] <shauno> heh, I wouldn't worry that much.  they don't tend to be *that* plot-heavy
[00:57] <maps|wrk> O_o
[00:57] <maps|wrk> may aswell though
[00:57] <daftykins> that that nancy with the shield?
[00:57] <maps|wrk> might go to see it at IMAX
[00:58] <maps|wrk> not sure daftykins  you seen capain america?
[00:58] <daftykins> think so ja
[01:00] <shauno> I've got to the point where I give hollywood so little credit, that I'm surprised they didn't try to make a sequel to schindler's list
[01:02] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/eFELgBt.jpg
[01:06] <maps|wrk> most films are a bit poor
[01:06] <maps|wrk> especially comedies
[01:06] <maps|wrk> the best part of a lot of comedies is shown in the trailer :) so many poor/dissapointing comedies imo
[01:07] <maps|wrk> you see the internship?
[01:09] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/JmC9tzS.jpg
[01:10] <maps|wrk> pretty
[01:22] <diddledan> http://www.godotengine.org/wp/
[01:22] <diddledan> nice
[01:22] <diddledan> give unity a run-for-their-money
[01:28] <maps|wrk> what is it
[01:28] <diddledan> game engine
[01:28] <maps|wrk> and what was that picture from daftykins ?
[01:29] <maps|wrk> for what?
[01:29] <diddledan> making games with
[01:31] <diddledan> the studio that created it in-house made this show-reel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=065h_cO5cT4
[01:31] <daftykins> eh just got lost as i often do for 5 minutes after someone linked to something else on imgur
[01:34] <maps|wrk> so wha was that picture from ?:)
[01:34] <daftykins> just someones drawing as far as i can tell
[01:37] <maps|wrk> ah
[04:46] <mapps> ah cool directhex its downloaded leaving it seeding now
[04:50] <ali1234> joomla sucks ... sorry but it does
[04:51] <ali1234> you can't do anything with one extension... you have to write several to even accomplish a simple task
[06:15] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[06:30] <ali1234> how do i use valgrind to find a memory leak when the program frees everything at exit?
[06:31] <knightwise> morning SuperEngineer ali1234 mapps
[06:32] <SuperEngineer> morninks knightwise
[06:32] <knightwise> hey guys
[06:33] <knightwise> I got a question. I have a lenovo twist running 13.10 ,
[06:33] <knightwise> works great and all that
[06:33] <knightwise> I have an external keyboard and mouse connected , but the twist also has a touchscreen.
[06:33] <knightwise> So when I rotate the touchscreen into portrait mode it works fine with the external keuyboard and mouse
[06:34] <knightwise> but the orientation of the "touchscreen" stays in portrait mode
[06:34] <knightwise> sorry , landscape mode
[06:34] <knightwise> so to summarize : When I rotate my display to portrait mode , my touchscreen remains in landscape mode
[06:34] <knightwise> anyone know how to fix this ?
[06:35] <ali1234> unity 7 doesn't have real touchscreen support
[06:35] <ali1234> nor rotation
[06:35] <ali1234> i assume you are rotating the display int he graphics driver
[06:35] <knightwise> i can easily rotate it using xrandr ,
[06:35] <ali1234> right
[06:35] <knightwise> and the orientation of my mouse works fine then.
[06:36] <knightwise> but its just the orientation of the touchscreen that stays in landscape mode
[06:36] <ali1234> yes because it rotates the whole display, including the mouse cursor
[06:36] <knightwise> yes
[06:36] <knightwise> except is does NOT rotate the touchscreen sensor
[06:36] <ali1234> right, why would it?
[06:36] <knightwise> because the screen is in portrait mode ?
[06:37] <ali1234> no, the video output is rotated into portrait mode
[06:37] <knightwise> aha
[06:37] <ali1234> nothing else changes
[06:37] <SuperEngineer> any suitable resolutions [for portrit mode] showing in display properties
[06:37] <knightwise> so I now need to find a way to rotate the touchscreen into portrait mode
[06:37] <ali1234> yes
[06:37] <ali1234> think about it:
[06:38] <knightwise> SuperEngineer: no : when I rotate the screen from the display properties (or with xrander) everything works when I use an external mouse ( mouse input also goes into portrait mode)
[06:38] <ali1234> if you turn the screen to portrait mode
[06:38] <knightwise> but the touchscreen stays in landscape mode
[06:38] <ali1234> and don't actually physically rotate the device
[06:38] <ali1234> then the mouse cursor will also move incorrectly
[06:38] <ali1234> this is because you only rotated the output
[06:38] <knightwise> lets recap :
[06:39] <knightwise> laptop is in portrait mode.
[06:39] <ali1234> alternatively, if you put the device into portrait and then also rotate your mouse by 90 degrees, then it will also be wrong
[06:39] <knightwise> i use an external keyboard and mouse
[06:39] <knightwise> when I rotate the screen (using the display settings) into portrait mode
[06:39] <knightwise> 1 orientation of the screen changes (OK)
[06:40] <knightwise> 2 orientation of my EXTERNAL mouse changes to match the rotation (ALSO O)
[06:40] <ali1234> no, see, that's where you;re wrong
[06:40] <ali1234> nothing changes about the external mouse
[06:41] <knightwise> so how can i make the same thing true for the touch interface
[06:41] <ali1234> the same thing is already true for the touch interface
[06:41] <knightwise> my question : how do you change the orientation of the touch interface 90 degrees
[06:42] <ali1234> you would need to transform the coordinates somehow
[06:42] <knightwise> if I could get that working I would really be able to use the thing as an actual tablet for reading and stufdf
[06:42] <ali1234> what type of touch screen is it?
[06:43] <knightwise>  echo 0 blink > /proc/acpi/ibm/led
[06:43] <knightwise> sorry , its an ATMEL ATMEL maxtouch digitizer
[06:43] <ali1234> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1972447
[06:44] <knightwise> Ah :) Gonna give it a try :à)
[06:45] <knightwise> thanx
[06:51] <knightwise> YES
[06:51] <knightwise> it worked )
[06:51] <knightwise> now I just need to find some keybindings to make this work automatically
[06:51] <knightwise> thanx ali1234
[08:19] <ahusam> Hi
[08:50] <shauno> I think I've just pullled off a miracle.  I actually spent less time beating something in the face until it worked in IE, than I spent writing it in the first place \o/
[08:59] <ali1234> lol. there is a joomla extension that makes joomla extensions
[08:59] <ali1234> this is the worst thing i've ever seen
[09:00] <ali1234> i mean without a doubt this is the most convoluted and awful MVC system i've ever encountered
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: look at the database query log too :)
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> It retrieves *everything* from the database, twice, then sorts/filters on the client side
[09:01] <ali1234> you feed it 20 lines of SQL and the extension generates the 100kb of boilerplate garbage that is needed to let joomla use it
[09:01] <ali1234> wait, my bad. it's actually 231kb. zipped.
[09:06] <ali1234> lol this is awful
[09:06] <ali1234> it randomly decided to add a drop down filter box on one of the admin views
[09:06] <ali1234> unfortunately the options in the drop down have nothing at all to do with the field contents
[09:07] <ali1234> aaaaand it doesn't even work
[09:07] <ali1234> yeah i don't think we'll be migrating to this
[09:14] <shauno> silly place to ask a windows question, but on win7 .. how do you disable this thing where it hides all other windows when you mouse-over something on the taskbar?
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: you don't?
[09:15] <shauno> :(
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> maybe by right-clicking the taskbar, then settings/properties/
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> maybe in the theme (but then you might have to disable all of aero)
[09:17] <shauno> it's incredibly distracting when you have multiple monitors.  every single time I peek at the second screen to see what just happened, but it's just faded itself to wallpaper so it can show me a window on the first screen
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> so don't hover your mouse there
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> it only triggers after a second or two
[09:23] <shauno> seems turning aero off does the trick
[09:31] <bashrc> morning
[09:32] <popey> yo
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> yo-yo
[10:24] <ali1234> does anyone actually like joomla?
[10:24] <ali1234> anyone at all?
[10:25] <ali1234> even people who like it don't seem to like it very much
[10:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:36] <brobostigon> how would you implement, to assign dns addrs to devices to internal network devices like my rpi, so i dont have to remember ip addrs.
[10:37] <ali1234> use ahavi
[10:38] <brobostigon> i already use that on some of those devices.
[10:47] <popey> cant you just tell your dhcp server to dish out the dns addresses?
[10:48] <popey> thats what i do
[10:48] <popey> oh, you mean, have local dns?
[10:49] <ali1234> i used to hack my router firmware to enable it to server a list of static hostnames
[10:49] <ali1234> but i got fed up of doing that so i switched to avahi
[10:50] <popey> yeah, i hard wired IP and host name in my dd-wrt router
[10:52] <brobostigon> thats another good solution,
[10:53] <foobarry> what's your router brobostigon ?
[10:54] <brobostigon> ipv4 is a standard bt router, ipv6 said rpi.
[10:56] <foobarry> dhcp also serves dns names but unsure if bog standard firmware does it
[10:58] <foobarry> lol https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PRV2b-Lyf6g/UyxrbamfwVI/AAAAAAAATpQ/LARE_uQyHCw/w360-h221-no/3582_808d.gif
[10:58] <brobostigon> inside ipv6 that wouldnt be a problem,
[10:59] <shauno> avahi ftw
[11:13] <shauno> IE is actually going to make me cry.  I Can easily imagine them giggling while they wrote this 'debugger'
[12:01] <foobarry> got the heating on :(
[12:06] <shauno> oooh rich boy eh
[12:10] <ali1234> i've got the windows open :/
[12:11] <brobostigon> 7.2c, 14mph sw.
[12:16] <penguin42> 3c :-(
[12:30] <foobarry> son is doing the "bbc click dance"
[12:54] <bashrc> libreplanet begins at about 1.45pm, I think
[12:55] <bashrc> ooh windows.  I remember that from the olden days
[13:11] <ali1234> AlanBell: can i hire you port my wordpress plugin to joomla?
[13:31] <penguin42> directhex: You got a nice link from greg-kh's G+ stream for your rocket
[14:19] <mapps> afternoon
[15:19] <daftykins> heya
[15:19] <daftykins> time to kick it old school today and rip some audio CDs!
[15:19] <daftykins> yes, i remember them!
[15:19] <daftykins> thankfully i still have a working optical drive within my server
[15:20] <mapps> hm
[15:20] <mapps> daftykins know much bash?
[15:20] <mapps> its prob obvious but cant see why something isnt working
[15:20] <daftykins> 'fraid not
[15:20] <mapps> ack
[15:20] <mapps> :)
[15:20] <daftykins> pastebin 'er up though, i don't mind taking a glance
[15:21] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7136159/
[15:21] <mapps> the 2nd exec line
[15:21] <mapps>  $BASEDIR/sc_serv $BASEDIR/sc_serv_basic.conf &
[15:21] <mapps> 		$BASEDIR/sc_trans $BASEDIR/sc_trans_basic.conf &
[15:21] <mapps> need both to be run so shoutcast will stream automatically - but first command runs and 2nd doesnt
[15:22] <mapps> tried using && so 2nd command runs if first was successful but the problem is sc_serv writes to stdout and just sits there with && and even with & making it go into the bg the 2nd wasnt run
[15:22] <daftykins> does one or the other have a switch to execute in daemon mode and not continue outputting?
[15:23] <mapps> let me check a sec i dont recall seeing it though
[15:25] <mapps> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16677906/shoutcast-daemon-script-not-functioning-properly what if i did what theyve done there redrect output
[15:26] <mapps> ah ok found something daftykins if i set RealTime 0 and screenlog0 in the conf it doesnt output
[15:27] <mapps> and then when i run the cmd with & it dissapears so now both cmds should work?
[15:27] <daftykins> *shrug* :)
[15:27] <daftykins> proof's in the testing!
[15:36] <mapps> hoorah
[15:36] <mapps> works
[15:36] <mapps> :D
[15:40] <mapps> hm 2 people dl that directhex iso
[15:40] <mapps> one from Trinidad and Tobago
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> mapps: so.. it's 2 people, one from Trinidad, one from Tobago? :P
[15:42] <mapps> hah
[15:42] <mapps> one from t&t and one from USA
[15:43] <daftykins> mapps: heh i was watching the stats of it fir a little while when i got up
[15:44] <daftykins> couple of germans, an aussie, a chinese user
[15:44] <mapps> has it been given out then/
[15:44] <mapps> I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPER SECRET
[15:44] <mapps> :D
[15:44] <daftykins> well the plan was to get a good seeding base setup prior to him launching, so that peeps could grab it quick
[15:44] <daftykins> he released last night a bit later on i believe
[15:44] <daftykins> a good 32 seeds now so it says on mine \o/
[15:45] <daftykins> 6.713 ratio on mine :>
[15:45] <mapps> aha ok
[15:45] <mapps> hm
[15:45] <mapps> i only see one person when i click peers on mine
[15:46] <mapps> annoying about less than a mile from me where i used to live now has FTC
[15:46] <mapps> but STILL NOT HERE FOR ME
[15:46] <mapps> im a diff exchange;/
[15:46] <daftykins> yeah you only see # of users actively connected getting something from you
[15:46] <mapps> aha
[15:51] <daftykins> hrmm AccurateRip is being rude to me
[15:52] <mapps> what about eac
[15:53] <daftykins> it's a plugin for EAC yeah
[15:53] <mapps> ahh
[15:53] <mapps> ok didnt know
[15:53] <mapps> i was ust saying use eac;p
[15:53] <mapps> but guess you are=]
[15:53] <daftykins> but it's refusing to show itself :D
[15:53] <mapps> so whats this plugin do
[15:53] <daftykins> *nod* - doing super high accuracy rips for a... specific purpose shall we say
[15:53] <daftykins> basically it goes off online and compares records with rips done by others
[16:02] <mapps> ah i see
[16:02] <mapps> compares how like quality its ripped at?
[16:05] <daftykins> yep
[16:05] <daftykins> against sorta known reference values
[16:05] <daftykins> it's not hugely relevant if you're just ripping for yourself, i followed a guide to set it to super accurate mode
[16:06] <daftykins> it's just a needed thing for what i'm up to
[16:06] <mapps> ah
[16:07] <daftykins> ugh that album took 26 mins
[16:08] <mapps> ugh
[16:08] <mapps> its hailing outside
[16:16] <daftykins> ugh yeah that was an 85% result
[16:16] <daftykins> i need 100! :)
[16:16] <mapps> lol
[16:16] <mapps> what quality you rippng at
[16:16] <daftykins> FLAC
[16:17] <daftykins> but then i'll also do MP3 V0, V2 and 320Kbps CBR
[16:18] <mapps> ugh work in a bit wonder how annoyed i can get today
[16:19] <mapps> service desk and testing annoying me so much emails from those departments where people use terms that dont exist
[16:20] <daftykins> haha
[16:20] <daftykins> what like?
[16:20] <mapps> i cant think of any off hand but trust me theres loads
[16:20] <mapps> ive got a lot of auto delete rules on my inbox at work
[16:20] <mapps> sick and tired of useless emails
[16:21] <daftykins> yay insert a more well known CD and accuraterip is a go \o/
[16:21] <mapps> a prime example..if you have a car you have to register your details..well even though thats the case IF someones blocked someone in etc
[16:21] <mapps> they EMAIL EVERYONE
[16:21] <daftykins> :/
[16:21] <mapps> like uhh i dont even have a car..and even if i did..why not just email one person
[16:21] <daftykins> sounds like a left-hand right-hand situation ;)
[16:21] <daftykins> as in the two not talking
[16:21] <mapps> someone at work convinced work that the ipad loads websites faster
[16:22] <daftykins> lmao
[16:22] <mapps> and they bought one for him to use
[16:22] <mapps> baffling
[16:22] <daftykins> ofgs
[16:22] <daftykins> amateurs
[16:22] <mapps> but 100% serious
[16:22] <mapps> its a betting company..so its expected but theres so many people that claim to know everythng
[16:22] <mapps> he trades formula1 and claims its faster than anything else on the ipad
[16:22] <mapps> didnt give any reasons
[16:22] <mapps> just faster..ok?
[16:22] <mapps> lol
[16:23] <daftykins> i guess a given app could be faster on a given tablet
[16:23] <daftykins> if it's just written better
[16:23] <daftykins> but if it's just web browser usage... hmm
[16:23] <mapps> versus a super fast pc using livescore web
[16:23] <mapps> but there was no reason just 'its faster'
[16:23] <mapps> maybe it was faster ONCE
[16:23] <mapps> doesn't mean every single time...who knows maybe the ipad/mobile site uses a diff server ad it wasnt very busy at that time?
[16:24] <mapps> I just dont say anything..I laugh to myself but thats about it
[16:25] <daftykins> yeah, best way sometimes :>
[16:26] <daftykins> especially when there's the smell of bovine waste about
[16:26] <daftykins> a client needed his whole music collection ripped once so we went to my old College to hire a kid
[16:26] <daftykins> whenever i see him now, he just totally lies non-stop in conversation
[16:26] <daftykins> i don't understand the child at all
[16:27] <daftykins> he'd lie about trivial things like how reliable the uptime of his home broadband service was
[16:27] <mapps> why
[16:27] <daftykins> 'yeah it only ever goes down when there's maintenance, it's great'
[16:27] <mapps> heh
[16:27] <daftykins> but there's no published maintenance page...
[16:27] <daftykins> strange boy indeed.
[16:40] <foobarry> liars be liars
[16:40] <foobarry> although i don't understand the need to compulsively lie about things that dont even matter
[16:41] <daftykins> exactly
[16:42] <shauno> a lot of the time, they're mostly doing it to lie to themselves.  eg, I'll tell you my connection is awesome - because I feel guilty about what I pay for it, and want to believe it myself
[16:42] <daftykins> like, i can totally attest to not necessarily asking questions if i didn't fully understand something someone said when i was younger - but you grow out of it
[17:02] <maps|wrk> hai
[17:03] <daftykins> wb
[17:04] <maps|wrk> :D
[17:04] <maps|wrk> busy busy busy worker bee
[17:04] <maps|wrk> thats what i am
[17:06] <daftykins> so what TV are you watching? ;)
[17:06] <maps|wrk> baseball
[17:07] <maps|wrk> my first game is det @ tor pre season baseball.
[17:07] <maps|wrk> that ive gots to 'trade' aka set the odds live during the game
[17:07] <maps|wrk> but unfortunately im sitting opposite someone who's above me..so have to be careful how much im typing/not doing work struff :(
[17:07] <daftykins> do you have to fully understand the rules of the games you work with?
[17:07] <maps|wrk> it helps
[17:08] <maps|wrk> but not if you use the multi tools -where basically it uses a feed from a scout
[17:08] <maps|wrk> like say you can do 6 soccer games at once using a feed
[17:08] <maps|wrk> but for single stuff where youre doing 1 game at a time ya
[17:08] <maps|wrk> so if u watch det @ tor on bet365.com thats what im doing;p
[17:20] <maps|wrk> lol
[17:21] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:22] <maps|wrk> whats wrong with women who are 40+ not realising fake tan/fake hair etc is embarassing
[17:22] <maps|wrk> looking like a tart at that age
[17:22] <maps|wrk> :(
[17:24] <daftykins> struggling to let go i guess
[17:25] <maps|wrk> 'more clearer' is it me or does that just sound wrong?
[17:25] <daftykins> yeah it's redundant
[17:26] <daftykins> well, just not right
[17:26] <maps|wrk> yea
[17:26] <maps|wrk> it just sounded funny to me
[17:27] <daftykins> i keep seeing in articles lately - "pre-planning"
[17:27] <daftykins> =/
[17:28] <maps|wrk> pre planning lol
[17:28] <daftykins> i hereby plan to plan this :>
[17:28] <maps|wrk> ah
[17:28] <maps|wrk> i plan to plan to plan
[17:28] <maps|wrk> :D
[17:29] <maps|wrk> i was wondering the other day how much is it costing me to run my 3 machines 24/7 my laptop / netbook for irc and my ubuntu machine
[17:29] <ali1234> probably about £1 per day
[17:29] <maps|wrk> you reckon?
[17:29] <maps|wrk> for all 3?
[17:29] <ali1234> sure
[17:29] <maps|wrk> hm
[17:30] <maps|wrk> my bill was like 340 for a quarter gas and electric and i live on my own and try not to have the heating on much
[17:30] <ali1234> do you have a freezer?
[17:30] <maps|wrk> ah yea
[17:30] <maps|wrk> fridge freezer running 24/7
[17:30] <maps|wrk> good point never considered that
[17:31] <ali1234> that's probably like half your bill
[17:31] <maps|wrk> so i dont need to worry about having them all on really
[17:31] <ali1234> well, 1/4
[17:32] <maps|wrk> my ubuntu machine's like 9years old..i bought it in my 2nd year of uni , dell dimension desktop
[17:32] <maps|wrk> and it still runs xubuntu well enough imo
[17:33] <maps|wrk> no need to retire it:)
[17:33] <maps|wrk> apache httpd/openvpn/shoutcast/mariadb/
[17:41] <daftykins> when i upgraded my server's storage i went on quite a power consumption kick
[17:41] <daftykins> upgrading from 8 x 250GB HDDs to 6 x 1TB meant i increased storage *and* cut power a fair bit :)
[17:41] <daftykins> my server uses ~100W idle
[17:42] <maps|wrk> what did you do with the old disks
[17:42] <maps|wrk> thats why i hate upgrading ..i dont wanna get rid of anything :D
[17:43] <daftykins> gave them to a friend along with my older RAID controller card they went with, but apparently they slowly cascaded to death
[17:43] <maps|wrk> ah
[17:43] <ali1234> i want to buy 4 x 4TB disks
[17:43] <maps|wrk> what ram/cpu is yours
[17:43] <daftykins> pretty basic Pentium dual core 2GHz with 4GB
[17:44] <maps|wrk> mines a core 2 duo 2gb ram i think
[17:45] <maps|wrk> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz
[17:48] <maps|wrk> hm how can i check memory meminfo from proc i guess?
[17:49] <daftykins> indeed
[17:49] <maps|wrk> kB thats kilobytes not bits ye?
[17:49] <maps|wrk> must be
[17:50] <maps|wrk> well my machine has even less ram than i thought lol
[17:50] <maps|wrk> mark@frogs:/proc$ cat meminfo                                                                                MemTotal:        1016548 kB
[17:50] <maps|wrk> :D
[17:51] <daftykins> around 1GB then
[17:51] <maps|wrk> ja
[17:51] <daftykins> onboard graphics stealing 8MB by the looks
[17:51] <maps|wrk> had the machine since mmh i guess 2005
[17:51] <daftykins> or 32 0o
[17:51] <maps|wrk> considering its now 9years old its quite cool that Xubuntu runs well on it eh?
[17:51] <daftykins> well it is specifically meant to be lightweight
[17:52] <maps|wrk> I mean you could use it for browsing/watchng videos (vlc) everything, obviously games wouldnt be great and i mean sure heavy compiling would take a while and it couldnt handle as many threads for apache/mysql probably and itd slow down
[17:52] <maps|wrk> but its kinda neat being able to run a vpn server/httpd/smtp/ all on that old box :) and this irc client is running off it
[17:53] <daftykins> you must be dipping into swap on that thing?
[17:53] <maps|wrk> hm
[17:53] <maps|wrk> well
[17:53] <daftykins> 'free -m' ?
[17:53] <maps|wrk> how would i check? also remember , my vpn gets like no use - only i use it and not often, just for testing mainly
[17:53] <maps|wrk> and my apache webserver..well nothing on there and im the only visitor..I us it for this irc client :P and also shellinabox which is running on it
[17:54] <maps|wrk> mainly setup all these things as testing and learning :D
[17:54] <maps|wrk> fmark@frogs:~$ free -m                                                                                total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached                                                   Mem:           992        871        121          0          8        439                                                   -/+ buffers/cache:        423        569
[17:55] <daftykins> ah, no swap
[17:55] <maps|wrk> teehee
[17:55] <maps|wrk> whats running on your server
[17:55] <daftykins> well it's a Windows host with two VMs of ubuntu server atop it
[17:55] <daftykins> one i'm typing from now is irssi dedicated, the other is a web server
[17:59] <maps|wrk> bucketing down again here
[17:59] <maps|wrk> ;(
[17:59] <daftykins> it's fine if you've got nowhere to go :D
[18:00] <maps|wrk> ja
[18:00] <maps|wrk> and i dont for like 9hours
[18:40] <maps|wrk> yess got the booth to myself
[18:41] <maps|wrk> daftykins:  you know of any good ebooks or sites for learning the linux command line.,.likw i know basics but not enough and certainly not enough about options with commands..and dont say rtfm or man:P
[18:41] <daftykins> XD
[18:41] <daftykins> no ideas i'm afraid
[18:41] <maps|wrk> oke:D
[18:41] <daftykins> i'd only be googling for a newbie manual
[18:42] <maps|wrk> yea
[18:50] <DJones> !terminal | maps|wrk The intial link is very basic, but looks like quite a few links at the bottom that may be useful,
[18:50] <maps|wrk> thanks
[18:51] <DJones> http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz Looks pretty detailed
[18:52] <maps|wrk> sweet ta
[18:54]  * penguin42 wonders whether there will be 2038bug parties
[19:06] <maps|wrk> anyone use webmin? just been reading about it is all
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> webmin is BAD
[19:07] <maps|wrk> insecure?
[19:10] <DJones> Not supported in Ubuntu, appears to have a habit of breaking things
[19:10] <DJones> !webmin
[19:15] <maps|wrk> ahh ok i thought it would be security reaosns:)
[19:15] <maps|wrk> reasons
[19:17] <DJones> I think the suggested alternative now is Zentyl
[19:17] <DJones> !ebox
[19:25] <maps|wrk> right time for me to move desks
[19:25] <maps|wrk> :)
[21:19] <maps|wrk> back
[21:52] <maps|wrk> quiet ere again
[21:53] <daftykins> for some reason it feels like Sunday
[21:55] <maps|wrk> sundays are always a slow quiet day eh
[21:55] <maps|wrk> what you doing? im reading up on the command line still
[21:55] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:57] <daftykins> did food at the top of the hour, sat in the lounge considering whether to watch something on the TV now
[21:58] <maps|wrk> hmm prob nothing good on
[21:59] <daftykins> well i've got my HTPC fired up so what's on is what i make it :D
[21:59] <maps|wrk> ahh
[21:59] <maps|wrk> thought you meant tv tv
[21:59] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:59] <daftykins> nah i don't even have a broadcast service hooked up
[21:59] <daftykins> i was using my TV's smart capabilities to watch some news progs on the iPlayer though
[22:00] <maps|wrk> watch that show about deathrow
[22:00] <maps|wrk> that was quite interesting
[22:02] <daftykins> hmm didn't see anything about that
[22:03] <maps|wrk> if you wish or need to ever flip text upside down [vertical flip] "uʍop ǝpısdn ʇxǝʇ dıʃɟ" or/and create reverse text here is a terminal way to achieve this
[22:03] <maps|wrk> LOL
[22:03] <maps|wrk> yo daftykins  - it's here
[22:03] <maps|wrk> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ytvjz/Life_and_Death_Row_Execution/
[22:04] <daftykins> ah man upside down text is a thing i need on a daily basis! ;)
[22:04] <daftykins> oooh now i see the pic i did see that listed under Factual
[22:05] <penguin42> daftykins: ɟo ɥɔnɯ ooʇ ǝʌɐɥ uɐɔ noʎ buıɥʇǝɯos s,ʇı ʞuıɥʇ ı
[22:06] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:06] <maps|wrk> its a decent watch imo daftykins
[22:07] <daftykins> penguin42: ah, like all good things in life
[22:10] <daftykins> ooh just broke 9 seeded on stephenson's rocket
[22:14] <maps|wrk> =]
[22:14] <diddledan> I'm on 5.73 and 7.17
[22:15] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/gallery/I02PB
[22:15] <daftykins> i was looking at this last night
[22:15] <daftykins> can barely notice a difference 0o
[22:23] <maps|wrk> thats pretty cool
[22:23] <maps|wrk> will have a proper look in a bit
[22:23] <maps|wrk> :)
[22:33] <daftykins> might get the film it references
[22:41] <maps|wrk> so what did you decide to watch daftykins
[22:42] <daftykins> i've got a bit of an anime on right now
[22:42] <daftykins> a Ghost in the Shell film
[22:42] <maps|wrk> ah
[22:42] <daftykins> undecided if i'll stick at it though
[22:53] <ali1234> hmm.... bootstrap is really good
[22:53] <ali1234> this might save me from the horrors of joomla
[23:46] <maps|wrk> yo
[23:51] <daftykins> wb
[23:52] <maps|wrk> :)
[23:55] <maps|wrk> ever used http://www.centerim.org/index.php/Main_Page ?


[00:13] <Daekdroom> What focus problem?
[00:14] <snadge> *facepalm*
[00:14] <snadge> *epic dual picard facepalm*
[00:15] <snadge> in firefox.. for whatever reason, sometimes the autocomplete stuff doesnt come up
[00:15] <snadge> unless you click the title.. then click back into the location bar
[00:15] <Daekdroom> Ah. I thought of something else.
[00:15] <Daekdroom> But yes, I noticed that too
[00:15] <snadge> sometimes the problem manifests in other ways.. which i forget at this point in time
[00:16] <snadge> but it often results in having to refocus the already focussed window for either text input.. or effects which require focus to work
[00:16] <snadge> the firefox description is probably the easiest to describe and relate to
[00:16] <snadge> i dont think the problem is purely restricted to firefox however.. and its extremely difficult to reproduce
[00:17] <snadge> yet manages to happen irritatingly frequently
[00:22] <snadge> im not familiar enough with how X, firefox and compiz with the unity plugin works.. to even begin to investigate this problem
[00:22] <snadge> i was hoping one of the primary devs could spend a small amount of time investigating this
[00:52] <mhall119> snadge: bzr branch lp:unity, make it suck less, bzr commit, bzr push, done
[00:52] <mhall119> though if it's a focus issue, it's more likely to be compiz than unity
[00:52] <snadge> i can code .. but im seriously out of my depth with regards to investigating this one particular issue
[00:53] <snadge> im assuming firefox has some code in it.. to tell whether it has focus or not
[00:53] <mhall119> snadge: you assume that a primary dev hasn't already spent a considerable amount of time trying to isolate this problem
[00:53] <snadge> what i dont understand is how typing will put text into the location bar.. the window appears to have focus visually
[00:53] <snadge> but it wont autocomplete the history as you're typing
[00:54] <mhall119> but what you type appears in the location bar?
[00:54] <snadge> correct
[00:54] <mhall119> then it's not a focus issue
[00:54] <mhall119> obviously firefox has keyboard focus
[00:54] <snadge> well it is.. because if you click the title bar
[00:54] <snadge> then click back into the location bar.. then the history autocompletes as you would expect
[00:54] <mhall119> if firefox has keyboard focus, it's not a focus issue, it's gotta be something else
[00:55] <snadge> obviously doing that shouldn't do anything at all
[00:55] <snadge> if the focus is already on the window, and text is going into the location bar.. then the autocomplete function should work as expected
[00:55] <snadge> the key to understanding this problem.. is to figure out why refocussing the window "fixes" it
[00:57] <snadge> and i guess knowing where to look would also help
[00:57] <snadge> and how things work would also help
[01:03] <mhall119> sounds like a firefox bug then
[01:03] <mhall119> once X sends the keyboard inputs to the app, it's up to the app what it does with them
[01:04] <mhall119> if you file a bug in launchpad describing exactly what's happening, someone will send it to the right place
[01:06] <snadge> yeah except.. i only see the problem if im running unity
[01:06] <snadge> if i use something else.. it works fine
[01:06] <snadge> so its probably compiz related
[01:07] <snadge> and if you report it to the compiz guys.. they'll most likely say.. its a problem with the unity plugin
[01:07] <snadge> which has nothing to do with us
[01:07] <snadge> i know how the free software blame game works
[01:07] <snadge> thats why i can't really report it as a problem.. until i know a lot more about where the problem is
[01:08] <mgedmin> "you cannot solve a problem until you know the answer"
[01:08] <mgedmin> forgot who said that
[01:08] <gypd> Help I've lost the launcher and the icons at the top right of screen,i.e- the button for system settings plus shutting down or logging out
[01:09] <snadge> i think im unwelcome in the compiz channel anyway.. last time i was in there.. i hurled abuse at them
[01:12] <mgedmin> yeah, not the best strategy to get other people to fix bugs for you ;-)
[01:12]  * mgedmin shifts around guiltily
[01:14] <snadge> theres one guy in there who has an attitude though ;)
[01:14] <snadge> and its not like the first time i was in there.. it was building up to that
[01:14] <snadge> lets just say.. i can understand why gnome doesnt use compiz anymore
[01:15] <snadge> and its a shame that unity is stuck with it ;)
[01:15] <snadge> if gnome-shell was more like unity... i'd use it.. honestly
[01:16] <snadge> i cant stand the dorky huge window titles.. the ugly ass application bar.. and the stupid workspace switcher
[01:18] <mhall119> unity isn't stuck with it, Unity2d doesn't use compiz
[01:20] <snadge> thats a point.. i dont think unity2d has the issue either
[01:20] <snadge> i use that at home
[01:20] <snadge> so that really narrows the problem down to either compiz.. or the unity plugin
[01:29] <snadge> excellent its doing it now
[01:29] <snadge> but typing in this window.. then switching back to the browser.. fixes it
[07:22] <smspillaz> snadge: firefox uses XSetInputFocus directly which is broken
[07:22] <snadge> i see
[07:22] <smspillaz> snadge: I can try and look into it a bit later (quite busy this week), but I can't really reproduce the problem because its a race condition
[07:23] <snadge> right.. it only ever happens when you're not trying to make it happen
[07:23] <snadge> if you go to demonstrate the problem.. it doesnt happen
[07:23] <snadge> but then after you give up in frustration.. it happens 10 times in a row
[07:24] <snadge> i wonder if having multiple displays exacerbates the problem
[07:24] <smspillaz> I think this one http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/commit/?h=compiz-0.8&id=33f695e7c6e4fb8ac627df0978fea7771fe1b3d5 is supposed to fix it but it doesn't really work with 0.9 because of reparenting and such
[07:24] <snadge> also i havn't verified that it doesnt happen with unity-2d
[07:24] <snadge> but i suspect it doesnt.. i cant say that with any high degree of certainty
[07:25] <smspillaz> it probably doesn't
[07:25] <snadge> i dont ever remember being annoyed by that problem when using unity2d
[07:25] <snadge> so this patch wont apply to the ubuntu source ?
[07:26] <snadge> i'm half tempted to download the source package.. and add that diff if its possible
[07:27] <snadge> re-read what you just said.. its a 0.8 patch
[07:27] <snadge> hmm
[07:29] <smspillaz> indeed
[07:29] <smspillaz> that being said, if you can give me fairly exact steps to reproduce this problem, I might have time to squeeze that in today
[07:32] <snadge> thats what i've been trying to do
[07:32] <snadge> ok just did it then
[07:32] <smspillaz> can you verify the exact steps ?
[07:32] <snadge> typing in irc.. switch to a different desktop (which has firefox) and then attains focus
[07:32] <smspillaz> which windows etc etc
[07:32] <snadge> ctrl-t opens a new tab.. then typing in the location bar.. doesnt autocomplete
[07:32] <smspillaz> put it on the bug report, link me to it
[07:33] <snadge> ok so a bug report against which package?
[07:33] <snadge> so then i switch back.. and its working now :/
[07:34] <snadge> just tried it 5 times in a row and it worked each time
[07:34] <smspillaz> compiz-core
[07:35] <snadge> cant reproduce it at all now.. let alone reliably
[07:40] <snadge> actually.. i've just closed a bunch of open apps
[07:41] <snadge> perhaps some app is causing
[07:41] <snadge> i'll keep trying to reliably reproduce the problem.. and if i figure it out.. i'll post a bug
[07:41] <snadge> thats pretty much the only reason i havn't posted a bug already
[09:38] <mick0> Is it possible to use a recepie to create a test package that does not go out as an update?
[09:51] <mick0> davidcalle: Ping me when you're here and have time :)
[11:10] <davidcalle> mpt, about our previous discussion, I just had a confirmation from Stephane Graber that packages in .extras can't depend on packages in .extras.
[11:11] <mpt> davidcalle, so what do we need to do to fix that?
[11:15] <davidcalle> mpt, talking about it with Stephane.
[11:15] <davidcalle> (I am)
[11:18] <mpt> great, thanks
[13:51] <jack_thompson> http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/373539673#373541381
[13:51] <jack_thompson> it has been established
[13:51] <jack_thompson> :D
[13:54] <mick0> aww man. Is the 4chan link good? Im banned :( And very curious
[15:01] <mhall119> davidcalle: mpt: I thought we had an exception for lenses and scopes
[15:03] <mpt> mhall119, maybe so (if so, where is it documented?), but there shouldn't need to be.
[15:05] <mhall119> shouldn't need to be an exception, or shouldn't need to be inter-dependent?
[16:37] <mgedmin> I don't know how but I keep opening the dash by accident
[16:37] <mgedmin> (well, I know how -- my fat thumb hits the Super key)
[16:38] <mgedmin> wish it was faster in appearing and _especially_ disappearing when I hit esc
[17:41] <BerndSch> davidcalle: do you know where I can find information/documentation for the new libunity API (unity 5)? And what are the steps to move to the new api? Do we need a different package for 11.10 and 12.04?
[17:44] <davidcalle> BerndSch, it's not existing, but I'm annoying libunity's dev: mhr3,  to have it :)
[17:45] <davidcalle> BerndSch, and yes, lenses for Precises will need to be different from 11.10.
[17:57] <BerndSch> davidcalle: ok, thanks for the answer :-) I just only have the problem that I couldn't test the 12.04 version until my x-server bug will be fixed :-(
[17:59] <davidcalle> BerndSch, yeah I know =/
[18:00] <mhr3> BerndSch, davidcalle, i'll try to get someone to at least push unity-5.0 api list on developer.ubuntu.com
[18:01] <mhr3> asap
[18:01] <davidcalle> mhr3, don't worry, enjoy Budapest :)
[18:59] <mhall119> mhr3: who do you need to do that?
[19:00] <mhr3> mhall119, i was told david should be able to handle it
[19:00] <mhall119> ok, I'll try and touch base with him on that tomorrow
[19:01] <mhr3> mhall119, planella, not barth
[19:02] <mhr3> just to avoid misunderstanding...
[19:03] <mhall119> yup


[08:01] <apw> killall (N,BFTL), we were only very briefly on 3.18 in vivid and only produced kernels which carried interally 3.18.7 before we switched to early 3.19 kernels
[14:26] <enyc> Hrrm....
[14:27] <enyc> ubuntu 21.04 on asus x201e-netbook  (something like intel integrated graphics on core-i3 2nd-generation),  is experincing blackscreens  w/ ubuntu 21.04 and default 5.11 kernel including latest -proposed update version
[14:27] <enyc> workaround is "nomodeset"  but then get acceleration warning etc.
[14:28] <enyc> manually installing debian-provided kernel 5.10.0-6 LTS/bullseye kernel image package (no headers)  and booting with that works around issue
[14:28] <enyc> [yes yes, technically using ubuntucinnamon 21.04 variant but I really really don't think this is issue, will blackscreen loading lightdm before even booted into gui]
[14:29] <enyc> any $helpful suggestions how to further debug this, report right bugs, ...
[14:29] <enyc> (or indeed, existing bugs I haven't found yet which may be spot-on) ?
[14:30] <enyc> NB: System graphics working fine with  Mint 20.1 (20.04 lts based),  MX19.3 and MX21 testing (deb 10 and 11 based),  devuan chiamera (deb11 based)...  its' just the 21.04 test-install thats' not behaving with blackscreening X11!
[14:30] <enyc> once blackscreen comes seems to be impossible to get rid of without reboot even if kernel clearly still alive as  able to alt+sysrq+ S,U,B  to reboot
[14:35] <enyc> I believe' .early-on, 21.04 installer was OKAy but after  first updates then started breaking!