[02:40] <smoser> blackboxsw: rharper some interesting numbers collected from my runs for artful zesty and xenial
[02:40] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25922247/
[02:40] <smoser> and with that i go to bed.
[16:56] <smoser> rharper: how do i "dump" the journal
[16:56] <smoser> keeping the original format or whatever
[16:56] <smoser> so that i can then later feed it to journalctl commands
[17:06] <rharper> oh, you copy it from /run/log/journal
[17:07] <rharper> then you use journalctl --directory=/path/to/copy/of/journal
[17:07] <rharper> smoser: ^
[18:41] <smoser> rharper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25926898/
[18:44] <rharper> smoser: oi; that's unfortunate;  would be nicer to have journalctl apply and offset
[18:45] <smoser> well, yeah, but. if you have the offset and have the journall og, yhou can do whatever you want.
[18:45] <smoser> we could also read the journal format and update it.
[18:45] <rharper> well, that's what the offset would be fore
[18:46] <rharper> journalctl --offset foo and it just applies that value to the timestamp;  but what you have is useful
[18:47] <smoser> right. but such a feature is kind of not expecte.
[18:48] <rharper> no;  it's a namespace bug
[18:48] <rharper> and yes , not expected
[18:54] <blkadder> Hi, are there any restrictions on the characters in the content section of a file that is written as plain text?
[18:54] <blkadder> I am getting an error about unable to load yaml blob...
[19:03] <rharper> blkadder: not that I know of; generally for write files, I try to use the content: |  to inline text with minimal formatting
[19:04] <blkadder> Hrmm...
[19:04] <blkadder> What about blank lines in the file?
[19:04] <blkadder> It's busting on something...
[19:06] <rharper> as long as it's indented I think it's fine
[19:07] <blkadder> Mind taking a peek?
[19:07] <rharper> pastebin away
[19:07] <blkadder> https://pastebin.com/YYrGGd3t
[19:08] <blkadder> I've just been using base64 which works fine, but one of the other folks here did this...
[19:09] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25927045/
[19:09] <rharper> that's my inline with newlines and how I check it
[19:10] <blkadder> Hmm, wondering if it doesn't like some character or other.
[19:10] <rharper> the ?
[19:10] <rharper> it seems it doesn't like
[19:11] <rharper> ahh
[19:11] <rharper> your path is not indented I think
[19:11] <rharper> there you go
[19:11] <blkadder> Ohh...
[19:11] <blkadder> Thanks!
[19:11] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25927066/
[19:12]  * blkadder mumbles something about white space and scope
[19:12] <blkadder> Madness. :-)
[19:14] <smoser> blkadder: easiest thing to do is to check that things are at least loadable as yaml
[19:14] <rharper> I included my yprint which loads and dumps yaml
[19:14] <smoser> we are working towards having a cloud-init tool to validate config
[19:15] <smoser> ah. i didnt see that rharper
[19:15] <smoser> yeah
[19:15] <smoser> basically:
[19:16] <blkadder> Cool, thanks.
[19:17] <blkadder> Would love a linter. :-)
[19:17] <blackboxsw> blkadder: cloud-init devel schame --config-file <your-config> will at least validate yaml for you (and some cloud-init keys currently)
[19:18] <blackboxsw> blkadder: cloud-init devel schema --config-file <your-config> will at least validate yaml for you (and some cloud-init keys currently)
[19:18] <blackboxsw> it in progress currently, (as a 'devel' subcommand) we're building it up as smoser suggested.
[19:27] <blkadder> Awesome, thanks.
[19:27] <blkadder> That is going in the toolbox.
[21:21] <smoser> blackboxsw: could you https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/333350
[21:21] <blackboxsw> smoser: rharper how best to yeap
[21:21] <blackboxsw> oops
[21:21] <blackboxsw> yeap
[21:21] <rharper> yeap ?
[21:21] <smoser> best way to yeap is just to do it. let your personality ring out.
[21:21] <rharper> lol
[21:21] <smoser> each person has their own 'yeap'
[21:21] <rharper> *yawn*
[21:21] <rharper> I need more yeap
[21:22]  * smoser thinks "theres a million ways to yeap"
[21:22] <smoser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDZyJTDZi0w
[21:24] <blackboxsw> ha!
[21:25] <blackboxsw> ok approved smoser want me to merge?
[21:25] <rharper> smoser: quick question, the CI_DOMAIN value is not resolvable; is that expected ?  later in the code there is a cloudinit2.<same string as CI_DOMAIN but does not reference variable)>
[21:25] <rharper> the subdomain is resolvable
[21:25] <rharper> so I suppose I'm missing something
[21:26] <smoser> hm.
[21:26] <smoser> we use CI_DOMAIN in python code
[21:26] <smoser> oh i see. yeahk, i didnt change the set_hostname_fqdn to use CI_DOMAIN
[21:27] <smoser> i could have...
[21:27] <rharper> -    ex_fqdn = "cloudinit2.i9n.brickies.net"
[21:27] <rharper> 26	+    ex_fqdn = "cloudinit2.i9n.cloud-init.io"
[21:27] <rharper> 27
[21:27] <smoser> but since we'd need some further magic to make the set_hostname_fqdn.yaml
[21:27] <smoser> then its kind of 50/50 i think
[21:27] <rharper> well, if we changed the domain in the future we might miss
[21:27] <rharper> no ?
[21:27] <smoser> ie, there is usefulness in those strings being simple identical strings there.
[21:27] <rharper> so ex_fqdn = "subdomain." + CI_DOMAIN  ?
[21:28] <rharper> or setting CI_DOMAIN to just the full string that's resolvable ?
[21:28] <smoser> but you have to change tests/cloud_tests/testcases/modules/set_hostname_fqdn.yaml anyway
[21:28] <rharper> again, I'm prolly missing something
[21:28] <rharper> just the diff by itself looks odd to me
[21:28] <smoser> well, line 39 there...
[21:28] <smoser> thats yaml
[21:28] <rharper> well, the yaml could use a template if we waned
[21:28] <smoser> so we can't as easily change that.
[21:28] <smoser> right. yes we could do something like that. but we dont do anything like that.
[21:29] <rharper> not in cloud-init
[21:29] <rharper> we do in vmtest for curtin
[21:29] <rharper> for similar reasons
[21:29] <rharper> we could include a # should match CI_DOMAIN from nocloudkvm.py  in the yaml for a marker/hint
[21:29] <smoser> well. i dont knwo. i dont think there is a lot of value in it. its a string. tests cases are full of string duplication. if you think it shoudl say 'cloudinit2.' + CI_DOMAIN
[21:30] <smoser> then i can make it say that
[21:30] <rharper> so yaml aside, why doesn't CI_DOMAIN just equal the fqdn we want ?
[21:30] <smoser> but i'm not really interested in tmemplating yaml just for that.
[21:30] <rharper> I don't have a strong opinion other than it looked strange to me
[21:30] <rharper> that's fair on the template
[21:31] <smoser> blackboxsw: you think its worht the change there?
[21:31] <smoser> rharper is suggesting line 26 in the web diff would show:
[21:32] <smoser>  ex_fqdn = "cloudinit2." + CI_DOMAIN
[21:32] <smoser> (probably an import to get it too)
[21:32] <blackboxsw> it's a good point, either that + CI_DOMAIN or a comment cross-referencing the why
[21:33] <smoser> k. i'll push that
[21:33] <blackboxsw> yes, don't want just magic, as then we have to fgrep
[21:33] <blackboxsw> the "later we" who forget this
[21:35] <smoser> but you ahve to grep anyway
[21:35] <smoser> because of the yaml
[21:35] <blackboxsw> true story
[21:36] <smoser> and i thought the inability to change the yaml and the proximity of the two meant it was more straight forward to have the same string
[21:36] <smoser> but aywahy.
[21:37] <blackboxsw> hold up a sec. :/ hmm. I'm onboard w/ the import in python for CI_DOMAIN.
[21:37] <blackboxsw> in yaml just want that string comparison
[21:37] <blackboxsw> those files are side-by-side and easy to Xreference
[21:37] <blackboxsw> no need to do much work for the yaml as I want just plain expected strings etc.
[21:39] <blackboxsw> I kindof liken it to our unit test  assertEquals('some-string', result_of_somefunc) it's nice to see the full expected string unaltered by having to decode what CI_DOMAIN means
[21:40] <blackboxsw> smoser: rharper ^.   I don't really mind one way or another. Just wanted a stance
[21:40] <blackboxsw> I liken 'it'  (the yaml file as the plain string assertions)
[21:41] <rharper> I suggested a comment in the yaml to point back to the variable source
[21:42] <rharper> IMO; I'd see CI_DOMAIN='cloudinit2.i9n.cloud-init.io';  then the test py code import CI_DOMAIN; and the yaml use the string value of the variable and add # CI_DOMAIN from nocloud_kvm.py
[21:42] <rharper> so, one variable, one string; all .py code uses the same variable; and the yaml points to the variable via comment string
[21:42] <blackboxsw> ok +1 /me should go back to reading comprehension school
[21:51] <smoser> ok. udpated.
[21:51] <smoser> rharper:
[21:52] <rharper> k
[21:52] <rharper> good enough


[11:59] <lapo> hi
[12:25] <nothlit> lapo: do you have anything cooking for -buntu?
[12:29] <lapo> nothlit: I'm just restructuring tangerine-icon-theme a bit
[12:33] <nothlit> no additions/modifications at all?
[12:35] <lapo> nothlit: I'd like to cover all the icons in the default install menus at least
[12:35] <lapo> change the computer monitors to something similar to the new default bg which is not defined yet
[12:35] <lapo> that's mostly the plan
[12:36] <nothlit> cool
[12:37] <nothlit> is sabdfl anywhere close to moving away from his human iconset?
[12:37] <lapo> no idea
[12:38] <lapo> I hope so tho :-)
[01:41] <kwwii> hi guys
[01:41] <kwwii> I think that if anything, we will re-work the human icons, not replace them with tango or such
[01:42] <kwwii> the biggest thing against tango at this point is that it is basically a Novell thing and as a different product and company we want our own look and that has to be somewhat different than what the other companies products are making
[01:53] <andreasn> the style guidelines or tango-icon-theme?
[01:53] <andreasn> the style guidelines more turned into more of a gnome thing than a novell thing at this point
[01:55] <andreasn> and quite a number of application developers have picked it up, so in case you select a "unique look", you'll have the drawback that you always have to play catch up and look incomplete, and that's kind of unprofessional
[01:56] <andreasn> so if you decide to redo human, leaning a bit closer towards the tango style guidelines might be a good idea
[01:57] <nothlit> you wouldn't need the guidelines necessarily, just a general semicompatible look
[01:57] <andreasn> or oxygen maybe, guess they both look the same more or less
[01:59] <andreasn> nothlit: yeah, perhaps
[02:00] <andreasn> I guess it would be a good thing to be able to point a ISV to a document and say "well, if you do your interface like this, it will look good on other distros as well"
[02:00] <andreasn> but I guess I do too much ISV-work, so this is just from my point of view
[02:00] <andreasn> I guess a distro that wants to brand itself have other priorities
[02:03] <nothlit> is there any kubuntu-specific iconset actually?
[02:03] <andreasn> well, crystal, but that's not kubuntu specific
[02:03] <andreasn> or oxygen I gues
[02:03] <andreasn> s
[02:09] <kwwii> reading back....
[02:10] <kwwii> andreasn: agreed, I think the guidelines would need to be followed in future sets to fit in well
[02:11] <kwwii> nothlit: no there is no kubuntu specific icon set, we stick to exactly what upstream kde uses
[02:11] <andreasn> sounds good, then you would have control over your own base set, while still fitting in with all the other stuff
[02:11] <kwwii> well, we do have 2-3 icons with a kubuntu logo pasted on top of them, but they are stock icons
[02:11] <kwwii> andreasn: exactly
[02:11] <andreasn> that would sooo much make my job a better place
[02:12] <kwwii> andreasn: in addition the tango guidelines are the best starting point I know of to point people at saying "this is the best way to make good icons"
[02:12] <andreasn> jimmac did quite a good work on those, really simple for people to follow it seems
[02:13] <andreasn> well, anyway, I better get back to work
[02:13] <kwwii> it makes working with third-party icon designers much easier (especially those who have never made icons before)
[02:13] <nothlit> andreasn: the whole page is good, the examples and illustrations bolster its effectiveness a lot imo
[02:13] <kwwii> yeah, have fun
[02:13] <andreasn> fun and fun ;)
[02:13] <andreasn> nah, some of it is pretty fun actually
[02:13] <andreasn> some is not :)
[02:14] <kwwii> they would not pay you to do it if it was always fun ;-)
[02:14] <andreasn> so true
[03:14] <lapo> not so true, they will continue paying andreasn 'cause he is good, if you're not good guidelines are not usefull :-)
[03:15] <andreasn> lapo: oh, I was referring to some print work I'm working on
[03:16] <lapo> kwwii: as I said a several time, tango is not a novell thing anymore, and everything something which integrate nicelly with it is a waste of time imho, since you should just use tango style
[03:16] <lapo> but mark is the one who pays the bills so he has the right to choose watherever he like
[03:17] <lapo> even if it *not the right thing to do, as in this case
[03:17] <nothlit> tango is more a clarity and consistency guideline than an artwork style, i know some people prefer being more experimental
[03:17] <andreasn> well, that's what we talked about, basing a set upon the guidelines
[03:18] <lapo> nothlit: that's the problem of icons in oss
[03:19] <lapo> nothlit: following tango style will make your icons integrate nicelly with the rest, if you want to do different things you can, but you know that it will eventually look out of place in a gnome desktop for example
[03:20] <andreasn> well, we made stuff more themable (in epiphany, evince etc.) so that you could throw you in you more experimental stuff, hopefully you can have something more sane for the default
[03:20] <nothlit> i think its great that FOSS icons are far more consistent than windows'
[03:20] <lapo> imho human doesn't integrate nicelly with the rest of gnome icons and it's a mishmash of style that I can't stand. So we have tangerine which follows ubuntu colors more or less and integrate better with the rest, but if you can stand the mishmash and you like it you should just use it :-)
[03:20] <nothlit> but not having only tango out there is important :P
[03:21] <lapo> nothlit:. sure, but the price you pay having something different is polishness and integratio with the rest of the desktop
[03:22] <lapo> naturally you could dream of doing all the icons, but you'd need at least 5 designers working on it for several mounths
[03:22] <nothlit> nothing wrong with a little bit of diversity available, tango is becoming the standard with other styles being extra anyways
[03:23] <andreasn> nothlit: yeah, and that's why stuff are more themeable now
[03:23] <nothlit> it'd be cool if we could find a compromise for ubuntu in between
[03:23] <nothlit> imo, i know you two love tango
[03:24] <andreasn> well, love and love
[03:24] <andreasn> it makes my job easier
[03:24] <lapo> nothlit: I don't love tango I think it has its quick, but you I love coherence and polishness, and you haven't any other choice
[03:25] <andreasn> so it's not like "hi! I need you to draw icons for our gnu/linux software, but you have to make 11 sets, one for each distro"
[03:25] <lapo> I know how hard is doing a whole theme covering all the naming specs base set, and it's even not enough to have a consistent ui
[03:26] <lapo> to have something "mac grade" polished, the base set coverage is roughly less then half of the icons needed
[03:27] <lapo> so the smartest thing to do for ubuntu will be to leave gnome style alone and just accept upstream decision, as they do with kde
[03:28] <lapo> anyway I'm not the boss there and I already told mark he is wasting time and money with human :-)
[03:28] <nothlit> ubuntu at the minimum needs the palette change lol
[03:29] <lapo> nothlit: brown was a brilliant idea, 'cause it's unique even if it's not something everybody like, but especially with graphics you can't really please everybody
[03:29] <lapo> so a strong decision was ok there
[03:30] <lapo> my point is that it's silly to do branding with ui elements (icons specifically)
[03:30] <nothlit> nothing wrong with brown, just unfortunate combinations earlier
[03:30] <lapo> and I think it's damaging the gnome desktop actually for the ISV problem andreasn decribed
[03:31] <nothlit> thats where branding has the largest effect on the masses though
[03:31] <lapo> nothlit: you can have branding being tango style changing just a bunch of icons
[03:32] <lapo> nothlit: introducing another style with palette and guideliness for a lot of them is not usefull, not working and dangerous
[03:32] <lapo> nothlit: look at bluecurve which is a great piece of artwork and it's the most complete theme around
[03:33] <lapo> if you use bluecurve you have a messy ui, since it doesn't integrate with the rest, and as complete as the theme can be it cannot really cover every icon around
[03:33] <lapo> human not even as good as bluecurve
[03:33] <lapo> anyway, I have work to do :-)
[03:34] <andreasn> rambling you :)
[03:34] <lapo> andreasn: I should write all this stuff somewhere and just post the links, I'm saying the same sh*t over and over and over :-))
[03:34] <nothlit> sure, but they haven't planned any compatibility with tango at all
[03:35] <lapo> nothlit: my point is that you cannot
[03:35] <andreasn> lapo: like a manifest?
[03:35] <andreasn> :)
[03:35] <lapo> nothlit: you can reach a level of integration, say like 80% which is not enough to my eyes to have a consistent desktop, if you want 100% you need to be tango style
[03:36] <lapo> at least in a gnome environment
[03:36] <lapo> nothlit: tangerine was just a demostration so we didn't put much efforts in it, it's mostly 4 or 5 original icons and some recolored or mixed stuff
[03:37] <lapo> nothlit: but with, say a folder design, the tangerine hw design (copied by human) and some other bits here and there, you'll have a tango style branded theme
[03:38] <andreasn> that would be kind of neat to run as a project for the next release
[03:38] <lapo> quite easy to do, better results, better integration, less efforts to produce it then the human mishmash (read less money)
[03:38] <lapo> andreasn: it's something I wanted to do for this one, but I was taken away by g-i-t
[03:39] <andreasn> you did totally great work on g-i-t though!
[03:39] <lapo> thanks, you helped there so congrats yourself as well :-)
[03:39] <andreasn> reminds me that I need to send some highcontrast stuff to luca today
[03:39] <andreasn> even though it's probably to late to put into 2.20
[03:40] <lapo> frankly speaking tho, I could produce something nice for ubuntu, but thinking of having it relegated to a fallback theme it's an energy stop
[03:40] <lapo> so focusing on upstream is better, since it will be good anyone and not just a subset of ubuntu users
[03:40] <andreasn> yeah, I feel that too
[03:42] <nothlit> lapo: could be an independently released theme if not adopted immediately
[03:43] <lapo> nothlit: I'm interested in solving ui problems not in making good looking icon themes
[03:44] <lapo> nothlit: the most difficult thing for g-i-t was not drawing the icons, that's the legwork, but finding good metaphors
[03:46] <nothlit> there were metaphors not already solved by tango?
[03:46] <nothlit> i didn't know there was so much g-i-t handled on its own
[03:48] <lapo> nothlit: tango-icon-theme is untouched since an year or so
[04:58] <kwwii> lapo: my point is this: which distributions ship with tango?
[04:59] <kwwii> as default, I mean
[05:03] <lapo> kwwii: debian?
[05:05] <lapo> kwwii: novell ships tango-icon-theme as default with some novell tweaking
[05:06] <lapo> kwwii: I'm talking about gnome-icon-theme, which is gnome *upstream* default
[05:07] <lapo> so atm ubuntu is not a "pure" reference gnome distro, as kubuntu is for kde for example
[05:13] <andreasn> fedora
[05:13] <andreasn> foresight
[05:14] <kwwii> lapo: right, and ubuntu was not meant to be that - that is what gobuntu is for, I think
[05:15] <kwwii> my point is that because novell is the only big distro to ship (and make) tango icons I do not think that anyone else is interested in shipping them as default
[05:15] <kwwii> anyway
[05:15] <kwwii> time for basketball
[05:16] <andreasn> ubuntu studio
[05:16] <andreasn> yeah, let's continue this some other day
[05:17] <andreasn> xubuntu
[05:17] <andreasn> hm, I wish I was better at distros
[05:37] <lapo> kwwii: make? I'm not from novell :-)
[05:38] <lapo> kwwii: and I'm not looking for a job, so I can be an ass w/o too many problems :-)
[05:46] <lapo> kwwii: anyway I'm not interested about discussing this stuff, I prefer to produce then talk, but what you're saying is untrue at least
[05:48] <lapo> and the perception you have about tango is wrong, yes probably t was started by novell and there were some secret goals I'm not aware about, but now tango style is what upstream gnome choosed and it's the direction other gnome application (not only gnome) are following
[05:48] <lapo> and the only novell guy nowdays working on tango project itself is jakub, which is even the only one still in novell from the initial tango project theme
[05:49] <lapo> so it should be the right time to stop this stupid novell paranoia
[07:30] <kwwii> lapo: all I pointed out was the Novell is the biggest/only commercial distro which ships Tango itself by default. That is the main reason why we want to use a slightly different icon set - it helps us stand out and increases our branding awareness
[07:30] <kwwii> I agree completely with creating icons using the tango guidelines as a starting point
[07:31] <kwwii> this was not my decision to begin with, nor can I change it overnight
[08:02] <lapo> kwwii: I never said to use tango icon theme (which is just an example implementation of the guidelines..blah, blah, blah) as a default, I'm only talking (as I ever did) about using something which follows the tango guidelines, as fedora, debian, <insert a random gnome distro here> are doing (doing the right thing even)
[08:03] <lapo> anyway I'm sick about saying the same thing over and over so I'll quit di discussion, sorry
[10:18] <andreasn> kwwii, lapo: so you both agree more or less :)
[10:18] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, that is what I thought too :-)
[10:20] <andreasn> :)
[10:20] <andreasn> I saw the window decorations nuno did on his blog the other day, those looked pretty neat
[10:21] <kwwii> I am kinda worried that the oxygen style will not have enough contrast...time will tell
[10:21] <andreasn> yeah, I was thinking that as well, makes great screenshots though :)
[10:21] <andreasn> or do you mean overall with the icon set as well?=
[10:22] <kwwii> more just the styles and the window deco - the icons are perfect, of course :D
[10:22] <kwwii> s/styles/style
[10:23] <andreasn> of course, and you're not biased at all ;)
[10:23] <andreasn> so, yeah, time will tell, good to experiment though
[10:23] <kwwii> me?! no, not at all
[10:23] <kwwii> maybe I should put the oxygen icons in ubuntu too!!!
[10:24] <kwwii> just to hear people scream
[10:24] <andreasn> haha
[10:27] <kwwii> I bet if I did that people would complain a lot less about the human icons ;-)


[00:01] <rav> genii_around: thanks for the help. i'm going to install lucid, then upgrade to maverick which is what i have on the old laptop
[00:02] <genii-around> rav: Hopefully it goes well!
[00:02] <CadetX> does ubuntu 10.10 ship the latest flash (i have 64bit system so i need 64bit flash too) or i should get it from adobe site?
[00:05] <genii-around> CadetX: Do you mean 11.10 ( Oneiric Ocelot ) or 10.10 ( Maverick Meerkat )
[00:05] <CadetX> genii-around, yes
[00:05] <CadetX> the last one
[00:05] <CadetX> 11.10
[00:06] <genii-around> !info flashplugin-installer
[00:07] <genii-around> So it comes with version 11.1
[00:07] <Timewarper> genii-around, both 64bit and 32bit?
[00:08] <genii-around> Timewarper: As it says at the end  (Only available for i386 amd64)     so 32bit and 64bit
[00:08] <Timewarper> kk
[00:08] <Timewarper> thanks
[00:09] <Timewarper> <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:09] <Timewarper> last flash
[00:13] <genii-around> Timewarper: According to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/  that is the most recent version. So to answer your earlier question, yes it has the most recent version.
[00:20] <Binge> anyone here ?
[00:20] <Binge> i just downloaded the kubuntu 11.10, id like to use wubi installer, but there seems there is no option to install kubuntu from within windows in this version ?
[00:31] <JoeSomebody> what do you guys recommend for remote desktop support package, i was using teamviewer ...
[00:37] <amason> JoeSomebody: i like x2go, it's not so much of a support package as it is a remote desktop solution
[00:37] <amason> but it's quite fast
[00:37] <amason> secure as it's tunnelled over ssh
[00:37] <JoeSomebody> thanks i'll check that out
[00:40] <billytwowilly> anybody know what updatedb.mlocat tainted means in dmesg?
[00:40] <billytwowilly> my hard drive is filling up with crap, rsyslogd and  updatedb.mlocat are at 100% cpu usage
[00:45] <JoeSomebody> ok trying a hp 1020 laserjet, its not going well, cannot print a test
[00:47] <JoeSomebody> it set itself up, but no test print, i deleted it, and with new one still no test print
[00:51] <JoeSomebody> is there a list of printers somewhere it likes ?
[01:06] <Orcris> How do I find my mouse's DPI?
[01:09] <anjilslaire> @dion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1191090
[01:09] <anjilslaire> in software, it looks like? You have a logitech mouse?
[01:11] <Orcris> Yeah, it's a logitech.
[01:36] <master> hallo
[01:38] <Staly_Nick> hi whats goin on with ubuntu? after few days uptime its goin crazy, hdd is like grr grr grr and i cant do nothing, even X mouse cursor don't move, or move like by slideshow. Mayby its some memory lack?
[01:41] <frogonwheels> Staly_Nick: hm.. having that kinda problem too- wonder if it's to do with the updates (ie processing if there are any updates avail)
[01:44] <Staly_Nick> what is fsck?
[01:44] <Staly_Nick> whats that?
[01:44] <Staly_Nick> FSCK
[01:45] <Staly_Nick> sorry, i ask, cos i have gprs connection and better not to load any ww sites.
[01:50] <m4xx_> i've just installed kubuntu on my laptop. everything seems to be working just fine. when i go into the system settings it says my trackpad isn't found yet it works just fine
[01:51] <m4xx_> version 11.10
[01:51] <m4xx_> anyone have any ideas?
[02:18] <amason> Staly_Nick: links will let you view www sites in text mode
[02:18] <amason> no flash / images etc.. that chew your bandwidth
[02:19] <Staly_Nick> nevermind, ill delete ubuntu and go ack to old school > WINDOWS ^_^
[02:19] <amason> ok whatever works for you.
[02:20] <Staly_Nick> Only vodka!
[02:23] <Joit_> is sun java actually supported for kubunut or any usefull? or does it mess up anything
[02:23] <Joit_> Kubunut*
[02:23] <Joit_> kubuntu
[02:23] <Staly_Nick> in ubuntu is one problem. After a 2, 3 days uptime sysyetm starts to being lazy, and after some work the hdd goes crazy.  Only hard reset.
[02:24] <Joit> mines works so far since a few days nick
[02:24] <Staly_Nick> Joit: start work with java!
[02:24] <Joit> i only need it for some pages, not to work with it
[02:24] <Staly_Nick> im too
[02:24] <Joit> but i cant past at the one i have installed
[02:25] <Staly_Nick> ive installed last from Sun and it works fine
[02:28] <Joit> ok, ty i may give it a try
[02:29] <Staly_Nick> Joit: install Windows. Its fine, smooth.  After 64bit Vista none of BSOD.
[02:29] <Joit> last time i installed it and anything messed up
[02:29] <Staly_Nick> i can't : ( cos Windows price is to high for me
[02:30] <Joit> well i had a long time now windows, never did go over w2k because anything ese is pure crap, if its xp vista or any thing else
[02:30] <Joit> windows bloads up slows down call home and ask for any cheat for a key
[02:31] <Joit> its pure making money, they let the consumer develope them vista, and did let them pay for that
[02:31] <Joit> as vista cames out nothing did work, and its not better today. all the pages what you can find about is how to fix that crap what they are progreamming
[02:31] <Joit> so not really a alternative
[02:32] <Staly_Nick> its windows, its f best X that i even seen
[02:32] <Staly_Nick> r
[02:32] <Joit> over complicated, not to use for a average person
[02:32] <Joit> i got more then enough friends, what i have to fix her pc all time
[02:33] <Joit> another friend did format every 6 months his windows because it did not work anymore
[02:33] <Joit> that was xp
[02:34] <Staly_Nick> they should upgrade their pcs and install vista 64 ultimate, none of home or pro, no 7 only vista 6001
[02:34] <Joit> and after a while, through all the different installations from different programs all system files are messed up
[02:37] <Joit> even when i think sometimes, some from the windows freaks work at certain linux distributions to mess the versions up
[02:38] <Staly_Nick> i have used vista ultimate for long time, test mode. Uptimes more than 3 months, and ive played games, www, progs, that, and that, and that too in one session. No BSOD, nothing wrong! Everytime fast, smooth, even, when memory goes up to 9X%. Easy, taskman, ...... what versions?
[02:52] <amason> Staly_Nick: if you are happy with windows why bother with ubuntu ?
[02:52] <amason> it's obviously not a good fit for you
[02:54] <Staly_Nick> yep. I work with Perl and Python, thats why.
[02:54] <amason> pretty sure perl and python have windows version
[02:55] <Daskreech> Staly_Nick: What are you trying to get done?
[02:58] <Staly_Nick> yep, but when i start windows i only play Mafia, Fahrenheit, Mass Effect, or similiar games, and i shold work, not play with games. Next problem is that Ive got no more windows, cos my chef said, it is illegal to have a copy of it. Ubuntu is good, not so far from user friendly win, but what a "mist"
[02:58] <Daskreech> Staly_Nick: what's the issue you are running into?
[03:03] <Staly_Nick> i have firefox, 10 sites opened. Konversation, Xchat, Pidgin, running. 2,3,4 days and my hdd goes crazy. It is at reading or writing something and i cant do anything else. Not even move mouse cursor. I want to go to second console und kill the first one, but its like i would have an 8086 4MHz with 640kb RAM.
[03:04] <Staly_Nick> 2,3,4 days of uptime
[03:04] <Staly_Nick> at work we dont turn off pcs
[03:05] <Daskreech> Staly_Nick: What's on the second terminal ?
[03:05] <Daskreech> And how much swap do you have?
[03:09] <Staly_Nick> On second terminal is normal, login, pass. I go as root, but directly (automatic) is loading Xserver, but! it takes two days to run up! Swap i have on 500gb hdd. I think 10GB.
[03:17] <Daskreech> How much RAM Staly_Nick>
[03:22] <Staly_Nick> 2 gigs Daskreech
[03:25] <Daskreech> Staly_Nick: How much is FF taking?
[03:29] <Staly_Nick> more than exist. Yep, thats the problem. FF and Java. Java applet in FF is so huge, that .. it eats whole memory.
[03:31] <Daskreech> Staly_Nick: there you go kill that page till it's needed
[03:33] <Staly_Nick> it's something wrong
[03:33] <Daskreech> submit a bug report to the website
[03:36] <Staly_Nick> on windows i have all that and even more, games at background, more apps in background, and more instances running web-java engine. Was no prolem untill my chefs checked, that ive got illegal copy of windows. Must to delete it.
[03:37] <Daskreech> Staly_Nick: might want to submit it to icedtea as well
[04:03] <sluckxz> i was doing a large install kde-desktop-full i think with muon and now im pretty sure its hung up installing at 39% plasma-runners-addons.  pretty sure im gonna have to kill it and try with apt or something.
[04:17] <Sssstttt> urlin2u from #ubuntu is a f bitch. ;(
[04:17] <Sssstttt> good night.
[04:41] <benbloom> crazy noob question, i just upgraded to 11.10 and cant figure how to change the wallpaper?
[04:43] <benbloom> k figured it out
[04:58] <sluckxz> frozen-bubble doesnt let me into graphics options.
[05:37] <RandomRoger> Hi, Im trying to connect to a hidden wireless network. When I click into the network manager I click the button for hidden, type in the name and press enter, but nothing happens after, can anyone help ?
[05:40] <Guest26339> hello world
[05:40] <RandomRoger> Indeed
[05:43] <CarlFK> RandomRoger: terminal, dmesg.. might be some clues at the end
[08:04] <littlegirl> Hey there, I use Kubuntu Lucid Lynx and Dolphin sorts directories and files with lower case names first followed by upper case names. Is there any way I can tell it to sort them all together? In other words, I'd like a and A to be at the top of the listing and z and Z to be at the bottom. Currently a is at the top, A is in the middle, etc.
[08:08] <littlegirl> Maybe I should try wording it differently. I have Dolphin set to sort directories and files in ascending order by name. Currently it sorts them like this: a b c A B C and I would like it to sort them like this: a A b B c C - can it be done?
[08:09] <littlegirl> Thanks! You guys have been incredibly helpful. (:
[08:17] <rawler_> hey..
[08:18] <rawler_> does anyone know if it's possible to force Wireless-mode to G for one connection in Network Manager?
[08:32] <Guest70887> saludos
[09:51] <RROD666> Hey, I was curious what is the URL for Kubuntu testing?
[09:52] <RROD666> I know for Ubuntu it is http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[11:25] <starslights> hi, i have become some new mail about "Ubuntu ISO Testing team: New build notification" but it's a new server as previous tests, now it's on "http://<IP_ADDRESS>/qatracker/milestones" and the site warn me about a not Warning: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ does not look like a trustworthy URL.   It's is normal ?
[11:43] <starslights> ok, i have found a answer in the old iso.qu.ubuntu.com, it say that we must use the new adress.. bye
[11:52] <sercan> benshee müzik listesindeki müzikler çalmıyor
[11:52] <sercan>  sürekli içe aktarma yapıyorum
[11:52] <sercan>  nasıl çözübilirim
[11:53] <sercan> I do not play music continuously import benshee music list, how can I solve
[11:56] <sercan> music list, music does not play
[11:56] <sercan>  banshee
[11:57] <sercan> to run it says fatal error
[12:20] <qwertz> Hello, I can no longer log in. Before I logged out the system told me, that it is running out of space.
[12:20] <qwertz> What can I do? I already tried to remove a lot of files without sucdcess.
[12:24] <szal> what is the error msg when trying to log in?
[12:26] <qwertz> szal: I dont get any error message, I mean, it just shows me the login screen again and again.
[12:26] <qwertz> I get log in on the console
[12:27] <qwertz> I csan log in through the console
[12:27] <qwertz> but not through the GUI
[12:27] <szal> places of interest to look at -> /var/log/kdm.log, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, ~/.Xsession-errors
[12:28] <qwertz> Okay, let me see
[12:33] <vprints> qwertz: log in from the console
[12:33] <vprints> and do
[12:33] <qwertz> szal: ~/.Xsession-errors is empty
[12:33] <vprints>  sudo apt-get clean
[12:33] <vprints> try to log in graphically
[12:33] <vprints> if it still dosent eor
[12:34] <vprints> again console
[12:34] <qwertz> vprints: I will try.
[12:34] <vprints> sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:34] <vprints> sudo apt-get clean
[12:34] <vprints> (again)
[12:34] <vprints> then try graphical
[12:36] <szal> !enter | vprints
[12:40] <daviddoria> I think they are both turned off, but AkonadiTray and Nepomuk File Indexing still appear in my panel. Is there a way to remove them?
[12:41] <vprints> ??
[12:42] <vprints> i find it easier for beginners if the commands are on seperate lines
[12:43] <vprints> less mistakes in applying the commands
[12:45] <qwertz> vprints: I can still not log in through the gui.
[12:46] <qwertz> I noticed, that I canot copy anything to my home-dir. It says disk full.
[12:47] <qwertz> but 'df -h' says /dev/sda1 97%
[12:47] <qwertz> so it is not competly full
[12:47] <vprints> do you have seperate partitions?
[12:47] <qwertz> I already removed some files.
[12:48] <vprints> what partitions besides sda1 are listed?
[12:48] <qwertz> vprints: no
[12:48] <qwertz> none's
[12:50] <vprints> did you also do the "sudo apt-get autoremove" ?
[12:50] <qwertz> yes
[12:51] <vprints> how big is sda1 ?
[12:52] <qwertz> 36G
[12:52] <vprints> did you recently download something bigger than usual ?
[12:53] <vprints> or intsall new software?
[12:53] <qwertz> I tried to recover some files, but stopped it
[12:53] <qwertz> I guess the disk was really full
[12:53] <qwertz> but it isn't anymore
[12:54] <qwertz> but the system does not notice it
[12:54] <vinnie_> anyone know of a good network monitor that will monitor TOTAL network usage?
[12:55] <vprints> what folder did you recover to ?
[12:55] <vprints> the target folder
[12:56] <qwertz> i tried to recover to a folder in my home deirectory
[12:56] <qwertz> but dejup did not do it
[12:56] <qwertz> so I stopped te recover
[12:57] <vprints> do you have a memory stick or external drive ?
[12:58] <vprints> you could move something in your home directory to external medium
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:00] <qwertz> vprints: I already tried to add an external harddisk, but could not access it
[13:01] <qwertz> vprints: and as root i could neither do it
[13:01] <qwertz> But I will tr to move some data from home to /var
[13:04] <vprints> qwertz: that will not help if you only have one partition
[13:05] <vprints> qwertz: how could you not access the external disk?
[13:06] <qwertz> It said, that I have not enough rights to access /media/disk
[13:12] <vprints> can you tell me how you mounted it?
[13:12] <qwertz> I thought ios was mounted automatically
[13:12] <vprints> if no graphical environment then you have to mount it manually
[13:13] <vprints> ;)
[13:13] <vprints> i guess there is Your problem
[13:13] <qwertz> ha, okay
[13:14] <qwertz> but I already removed some files, so I don't thinki, that it will fix my problem to move some files on external disk.
[13:16] <qwertz> I think something is wrong in my home dir.
[13:16] <vprints> well. 3 % free is not enough for normal work
[13:16] <vprints> so you have to remove something *anyway*
[13:16] <Torch> remember that some percentage of a file system is reserved for the root user when it fills up
[13:16] <qwertz> yes, sure, but I would prefere to remove something with the gui.
[13:17] <vprints> qwertz: did you try rebooting?
[13:17] <qwertz> yes, I did several times.
[13:23] <qwertz> I tried to create another user
[13:24] <qwertz> and he could log in.
[13:24] <qwertz> I think I will cp the files of my old user to the new and remove my old.
[13:27] <fayaz> qwertz: you mean mv
[13:27] <qwertz> yes ;-)
[13:28] <qwertz> I know, this is jaust a workaround, but I cannot fix the real problem.
[13:30] <qwertz> thanks anyway, for all your hints!!!
[13:30] <vprints> np
[14:22] <faLUCE> Hi. I created an iso image of my os with remastersys. Unfortunately, I can boot from the live cd with this iso only if I add "nomodeset" option. Otherwise I see a black screen. In addition, after installing the OS from this livecd, booted with "nomodeset" option, I can't see the screen anymore. what's wrong?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> faLUCE, what line did you put the nomodeset , quiet spalsh ?
[14:39] <daviddoria> I think they are both turned off, but AkonadiTray and Nepomuk File Indexing still appear in my panel. Is there a way to remove them?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> daviddoria, in system settings > startup&shutdown> session management , type  nepomuk, akonadi into the textbox under "Applications to be excluded from sessions"
[14:46] <BluesKaj> then use the "Restore previous session on ligin" option
[14:47] <BluesKaj> err login
[14:51] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, do I have to use "previous session"? Shouldn't that exclude them from ever starting?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:52] <BluesKaj> make sure you have them listed in the textbox I mentioned
[14:52] <daviddoria> haha sorry, I asked two questions
[14:53] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, so why do I have to use previous session? (or do I not?)
[14:54] <BluesKaj> dunno why , you can try without it
[14:55] <BluesKaj> I always have restore previous sessions turned on , it's ahabit I'm used to
[14:56] <daviddoria> ok, let me log out and see if they disappear
[14:58] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, nope, they are still there
[14:59] <BluesKaj> right click on them to see if there's a quit option
[14:59] <BluesKaj> or hide
[14:59] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, yes, I can quit them. but they come back when I login
[15:00] <BluesKaj> that's why I restore the previous session :)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> understand ?
[15:00] <daviddoria> haha yes, but that seems silly :)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> why/
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:02] <daviddoria> Usually the whole point of why i log out is to "start fresh"
[15:03] <BluesKaj> not really , depends on your preferences , daviddoria
[15:31] <Timewarper> does anyone know how latest gnome compare to kde resource-wise?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> Timewarper, resource-wise ? ...anything that runs on ubuntu/gnome will run on kubuntu/kde
[15:47] <Timewarper> any article
[15:48] <Timewarper> anyone knows/ has an article on how kde compares to ubuntu 2, regarding resource use (ram, cpu etc) ?
[15:59] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[15:59] <ken____> noob looking for some help with kubuntu low-fat settings removal
[15:59] <ken____> hi
[15:59] <kamilnadeem> people who haven't added the kubuntu ppa , what kde version are you running ?
[16:00] <ken____> just a sec
[16:01] <ken____> ok, where do I find that info? I just updgraded to 11.10
[16:02] <szal> Timewarper: what is 'ubuntu 2'?
[16:02] <kamilnadeem> When my kubuntu 11.10 boots past the splash screen , I am off late seeing a cog dancing ap and down and after that the desktop satrtup sound plays , why is that ?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> Timewarper, stop crossposting ..there are comparisons on the internet . just do a search
[16:02] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: hi
[16:03] <bline> somehow ended up with muon and apper, both now bugging about package updates. which one should I remove?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> hi kamilnadeem
[16:04] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: have you added the kubuntu ppa?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> no , I'm testing 12.04
[16:04] <Timewarper> szal, gnome 2 i meant
[16:05] <BluesKaj> so far it's more stable than 11.10 was :)
[16:05] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: I mean 11.10 , I am on 4.3 with the kubuntu ppa
[16:05] <BluesKaj> Timewarper, be careful the correction trolls will be on your case any moment
[16:06] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem, 4.5 or 6 i'm sure
[16:07] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: sorry I am on 4.7.3
[16:07] <BluesKaj> same here
[16:07] <kamilnadeem> is it been released in the normal updates
[16:07] <kamilnadeem> going to do a blog post can mix up facts :)
[16:08] <kamilnadeem> can't*
[16:09] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem, I think kde development versions caused a lot of problems on 11.10 , but I think 4.7 has finally reached a more stable state with all the fixes , there still are some glitches tho
[16:10] <BluesKaj> window sizing recall is aproblemn
[16:10] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: yes , it is excellent but random crashes are still happening like on restarting/shutting down  or just with application
[16:13] <BluesKaj> yeah plasma still crashes on shutdown sometimes
[16:13] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: what do you think, may I recommed Kubuntu to a total new user(like it will be his first distro)?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem, depends , is he/she a problem solver type ...sometimes a LTS is best for new users , as long as you can guide the user that will help a lot
[16:17] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem, is he very windows knowledgeable , if so , he'll find kubunru an excellent OS
[16:17] <BluesKaj> err kubuntu :)
[16:17] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: I am asking for recommending it to people through my blog
[16:18] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: I was confident with Ubuntu 11.10 as it is running well for me and most , so I did a piece on it. But Kubuntu I am not entirely convinced that it is for a total new user.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yeah , i did that ..ppl din't hve aclue what Linux was ,,most of them anyway
[16:19] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem, actually most windows users will find kde more familair looking than gnome or unity
[16:19] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: may be you give them my blog address, as I have taken care for that issue particularly :)
[16:20] <noaXess> hey hy
[16:20] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: yeah but this random crashes and taskbar not freeing up closed windows might freak , your regular joe
[16:20] <noaXess> what is now the default package manager for kubuntu 11.10? muon or apper?
[16:20] <noaXess> hey BluesKaj
[16:21] <kamilnadeem> it is a different thing If an experienced linux user is beside them
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hi noaXess, it's a toss up
[16:22] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: may I come private and give you the website ?
[16:22] <noaXess> toss?
[16:22] <noaXess> BluesKaj: ?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> noaXess, I still use synaptic ..IMO it's still the best ..gtk or no
[16:22] <noaXess> BluesKaj: aha.. so.. user choise.. or cli ;)
[16:22] <kamilnadeem> I will not post it here as it is considered spam
[16:22] <kamilnadeem> :)
[16:23] <BluesKaj> cli is my choice 90% of the the time for installs ,  synaptic acts as a reference guide to apps for me
[16:23] <ken____> need some help... how do I get some?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> just ask
[16:24] <noaXess> BluesKaj: i ever have the problem with the nepomuk message on startup.. nothing helped, also settings in session management to exclude following from start: akonadi,akonadi_control,akonadiserver,akonaditray,nepomuk,nepomukserver
[16:24] <noaXess> they start anyway..
[16:24] <ken____> I did earlier but was ignored
[16:25] <ken____> looking for help to remove the low-fat settings. I tried blogs and google searches to no avail
[16:28] <kamilnadeem> have to go now
[16:28] <kamilnadeem> Peace Be With all
[16:30] <noaXess> what you thingk about this: sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/*akonadi* /usr/bin/*nepomuk*
[16:30] <noaXess> better this: http://ubuntuku.org/16/how-to-disable-nepomuk-akonadi/
[16:31] <BluesKaj> noaXess, I use the restore previous session option , after making sure they are tuned off , by quitting them in the panel notification area
[16:32] <noaXess> BluesKaj: me too.. but doesn't help :(
[16:32] <BluesKaj> noaXess, as well as listing nepomuk and akonadi in the text
[16:33] <noaXess> BluesKaj: this is my list for Applications to be  excluded  from sessions: akonadi,akonadi_control,akonadiserver,akonaditray,nepomuk,nepomukserver
[16:33] <BluesKaj> noaXess, I hust have nepomuk, akonadi
[16:33] <BluesKaj> just
[16:33] <ken____> Blueskaj: I guess a better question to ask is: am I asking for help properly?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> !low-fat
[16:35] <BluesKaj> oops
[16:35] <ken____> sorry, just very new to all this
[16:35] <BluesKaj> !low fat
[16:35] <horbros> heyylo
[16:36] <horbros> anybody here??
[16:36] <horbros> kubuntu fans?
[16:37] <noaXess> alll horbros
[16:37] <ken____> fan here... issues too... looking for answers
[16:37] <horbros> hey noa ahan
[16:37] <horbros> answers for wat ken?
[16:38] <ken____> removing for uninstalling kubuntu low-fat settings
[16:38] <Pici> I thought we had a factoid for that, but I can't find it.
[16:38] <horbros> fedora vs ubuntu?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ken____, open a terminal, sudo apt-get remove kubunt-low-fat-settings
[16:39] <ken____> horbros: I tried serching blogs and goole but to no avail
[16:39] <horbros> apt-get is god of kubuntu
[16:39] <horbros> never denies ur requests :)
[16:39] <BluesKaj> ken____, correction open a terminal, sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[16:39] <horbros> blues is right
[16:39] <ken____> gotcha
[16:39] <ken____> trying it now
[16:39] <horbros> kewl
[16:41] <ken____> Thanks! I need linux for dummies! I love Kubuntu and trying to like Linux
[16:42] <ken____> it worked
[16:42] <BluesKaj> ken____, you can always ask here, that's what this chat is for :)
[16:43] <ken____> BluesKaj: I appreciate that, just never knew how to use this properly
[16:44] <BluesKaj> ken____, there are tutorials for the terminal or command line as it's also called , with common commands to install remove packages and applications
[16:46] <kernelpanic> Hello! Using kubuntu 11.10, my netwokmanager applet next to the clock always forgets wireless and vpn passwords, so that i have to re-enter them all the time. This seems to be independant of whether i store the passwords in a file or kwallet. Is this  a known bug?
[16:46] <ken____> BluesKaj: I try to use those tutorials especially in the ubuntu documentation but it does get a bit confusing to a new Windows convert
[16:47] <ken____> BluesKaj: thanks again, rebooting to assert changes
[16:48] <BluesKaj> ken____, in the command line apt-get basically looks in the repositories or your pc for the package name and retrieves the proper application . either to install or remove /uninstall
[16:48] <BluesKaj> to slow
[16:48] <BluesKaj> too
[16:51] <BluesKaj> kernelpanic, yes, but I can't recall the fix , try , /etc/network/interfaces restart
[17:04] <ken____> BluesKaj: I have another question for you. since upgrading to 11.10 I now get an error for the Mail Dispatcher Agent - but I never set-up Kontact
[17:08] <BluesKaj> ken____, yeah , that's known bug , you can turn of notifications in kmenu>computer>system settings>application&system notifications
[17:08] <BluesKaj> of=off
[17:08] <ken____> thx again
[17:09] <ken____> can I safely uninstall kontact?
[17:09] <ken____> I use gmail
[17:09] <BluesKaj> ken____, if you aren't using kamil or kontact , you can always remove them as well
[17:10] <charly___> hello do you like ubuntu 11.10 and gnome 3?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> yes , sudo apt-get remove kmail kontact , that will remove both , ken____
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ken____, in the command line apt-get basically looks in the repositories or your pc for the package name and retrieves the proper application . either to install or remove /uninstall
[17:12] <kernelpanic> BluesKaj: when, every time i reboot?
[17:12] <ken____> BluesKaj: I have learned a lot today. looking forward to truely understanding kubuntu/linux
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ken____, welcome to kubuntu/Linux ...it's arewarding experience IMO :)
[17:14] <ken____> BluesKaj: and a frustrating one
[17:14] <ken____> :)
[17:15] <BluesKaj> kernelpanic, not sure , i haven't used the networkamanger in a few yrs ...using ethernet I rely on my /etc/network/interfaces to do the connectivity
[17:16] <kernelpanic> BluesKaj: ah... well this is on a notebook, and I get a mood like a dictator whenever it comes back up from standby.
[17:17] <BluesKaj> ken____, well pcs are frustratring in general , but Linux is more configurable which gives a helluva a lot more options, , therefore more fun to use
[17:19] <BluesKaj> ken____, I'm an old windows guy too , but I'm totally sold on Linux now.
[17:19] <ken____> BluesKaj: agreed!. when I typed in the command you gave me earlier to remove kmail, it also wants to remove a lot more stuff like: plasma-wallpapers, etc
[17:19] <BluesKaj> uhoh , I didn't have that come up
[17:20] <BarkingFish> 0o° - this is weird.  I was just installing some software, and apper's gone -11 on me. No idea why, it's never happened before.
[17:21] <ken____> Removing kde-full ...
[17:21] <ken____> Removing kde-standard ...
[17:21] <ken____> Removing kdepim ...
[17:21] <ken____> Removing kmail ...
[17:21] <ken____> Removing kontact ...
[17:21] <ken____> Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
[17:21] <ken____> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[17:21] <ken____> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[17:21] <BarkingFish> !flood | ken____
[17:21] <ken____> sorry
[17:21] <BluesKaj> ken____, did you migrate from ubuntu/gnome by any chance?
[17:22] <ken____> no
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ok. ken you may want this package , kubuntu-restricted-extras for media
[17:23] <ken____> BluesKaj: I partitioned out the home directory so I wouldn't lose my data when I crash the OS
[17:23] <ken____> BluesKaj: I did get that
[17:24] <BluesKaj> ken____, so you have / ,and /home partitions ..good move
[17:25] <ken____> BluesKaj: crashing the OS is something I've done a lot of trying to get my video card to work. but then 11.10 came along and fixed that
[17:25] <ken____> yes
[17:25] <BluesKaj> did you install the recommended drivers ?
[17:26] <ken____> BluesKaj: everything I did failed miserably and I could not even boot into failsafe mode
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ken____, look in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers ...onboard ati graphics modules probly won't be listed (installed by default), but most nvidia drivers will be.
[17:30] <ken____> BluesKaj: for nVidia GeForce 9300 it recommended 270.x.x was supported and anything I tried (including additional drivers ) failed. it would indicate that it was in use but not activated
[17:31] <ken____> or activated but not in use
[17:32] <BluesKaj> did you activate ?...the nvidia 9300 should be using the 280 or 285 driver
[17:32] <ken____> 285 you're correct
[17:33] <ken____> tried many times and did not know how to use this forum... so I did a fresh install with 11.10 and fixed the problem
[17:33] <BluesKaj> ken____, you have desktop effects enabled etc in system settings ?
[17:35] <ken____> BluesKaj, they would work but very choppy, everything was slow and as many times as I fresh installed 10.10 could never get it to work
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ken____, what about videos that put a load on the graphics card/cpu like games or hi def movies ?
[17:37] <ken____> BluesKaj, so I lived with it until a couple weeks ago when 11.10 came out
[17:37] <ken____> BluesKaj, choppy, slow FPS
[17:38] <ken____> BluesKaj, voice out of sync and choppy
[17:38] <BluesKaj> ken____, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:39] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | ken____
[17:41] <BluesKaj> well , i have some more Christamas lights setup , so I'll be gone for an hr or so
[17:41] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[17:42] <ken____> BluesKaj, The video is working well now
[17:42] <ken____> ok - enjoy
[17:53] <lovre> hi all. Im trying to make an application, but w/o "make install", i just want to run it. Where can i find the binary? There are a lot of files generated, but i dont see the binaryy
[17:53] <new2net> I am running a program that seems to pwn xserver for some reason (lets not jump the gun and blame unity)  and it locks everything up. Is there any way (when I drop down to a tty with shift+ctrl+f1) to restart xserver?
[17:54] <lovre> ok, never mind i find the binary :)
[18:14] <extio> hello room.  i have no idea of how to use linux, yet would like to install it on a slow laptop
[18:14] <extio> so ubuntu seemed like a good choice
[18:14] <extio> anyways i wanted a slightly faster distro
[18:14] <extio> any suggestions?
[18:14] <extio> should i kubuntu and xubuntu are the two im currently comparing, but its hard to tell a difference
[18:15] <sluckxz> lubuntu is supposed to be pretty lite
[18:15] <sluckxz> never tried it my self though.
[18:16] <extio> with a slow computer, i guess i will give it a try
[18:18] <sluckxz> there are some meta packages that might help lighten up the install you have already
[18:24] <lovre> hi all. The application KGmailNotifier crashes and blocks when trying to close it. It gives the following error: glibc detected - corrupted double-linked list.... What is this, and can it be fix?
[18:27] <ken____> sluckxz, there is an alternative for older computers xubuntu then switch to the XLDE desktop at login
[18:30] <sluckxz> cheers ken____
[18:31] <ken____> sluckxz that would be Xfce not XLDE
[18:32] <sluckxz> extio was asking about a lite - er  version.  im gonna stick with kde personally.
[18:32] <rork> extio: lubuntu is the lightest but harder to configure, if you're new I'd suggest Xubuntu, For older machines I won't recommend Kubuntu as it's integration, settings and visuals require quite some resources (although it has a "light" option
[18:33] <rork> extio: it also depends on how you define "slow laptop"
[18:49] <extio> its slow because it has windows now, and it has few things installed, yet if i click on something it takes a while to load, and its as likely a virus for all i know but its an old laptop, so a new install of linux is easier than fixing it
[18:50] <extio> anyways in case its just a really slow processor, i wanted something that wasnt graphically heavy and without too much system use in general
[18:51] <extio> but i am new, so easier is better.
[18:59] <TImewarper>  how can i blacklist a user sshd (stop that user from using ssh)?
[18:59] <Peace-> TImewarper: groups?
[18:59] <TImewarper> what group is that
[19:00] <DarthFrog> TImewarper: A user with a proper account on your system or a remote user trying to get into your system?
[19:00] <Peace-> !groups
[19:07] <argentum> привет, кто сталкивался с 2мя видеокартами на ноутбуке?
[19:07] <Pici> !ru
[19:07] <argentum> sorry...
[19:23] <Timewarper> i need to run xhost +localhost everytime i reboot, how can i make this command permanent?
[19:23] <Peace-> Timewarper: in autostart
[19:23] <DarthFrog> Timewarper: Put a shell script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[19:23] <Timewarper> Peace-, i there a file i can edit in ~ ?
[19:24] <Timewarper> i dont want to use kde's autostart scripts
[19:24] <Timewarper> any other way?
[19:24] <Peace-> Timewarper: you don't use kde's autostart scripts
[19:24] <Peace-> you create a new one script
[19:24] <Peace-> that is
[19:24] <Peace-> scripts that are on autostartfolder are loaded
[19:24] <Peace-> automatically
[19:25] <Timewarper> Peace-, can i write that command somewhere to be run?
[19:25] <Timewarper> xhost +localhost?
[19:25] <Timewarper> in some file
[19:25] <DarthFrog> Timewarper: We just told you how to do exactly that.
[19:26] <Peace-> Timewarper:  echo '!#/bin/bash' > ~/.kde/Autostart
[19:26] <Peace-> Timewarper:  echo "xhost +localhost" >> ~/.kde/Autostart
[19:26] <Timewarper> Peace-, is autostart a file or folder?
[19:26] <Peace-> oh sory
[19:26] <DarthFrog> Peace-:  Um, you want to give it a file name. :-)
[19:27] <Peace-> Timewarper:  echo "xhost +localhost" >> ~/.kde/Autostart/scripton
[19:27] <Peace-> Timewarper: correct with the name
[19:27] <Peace-> btw
[19:27] <Timewarper> Peace-, do i need to chmod iit?
[19:27] <Peace-> Timewarper: ys
[19:27] <Timewarper> chmod +a +x
[19:27] <Peace-> chmox +x
[19:27] <Peace-> omg
[19:27]  * Peace- why there is not autocomplete bash here on irc?
[19:28] <DarthFrog> Peace-: Is the blood level in your caffeine system a bit too high?  :-)
[19:28] <Timewarper> lol
[19:28] <Peace-> xD
[19:28] <Timewarper> there may be a script to autocomplete bash in irc
[19:30] <Timewarper> btw
[19:30] <Timewarper> what does !#/bin/bash do in scripts?
[19:30] <Timewarper> tell them to use bash?
[19:30] <Peace-> yes
[19:31] <Timewarper> i think i have seen scripts with just /bin/bash at the strt
[19:31] <Timewarper> without !#
[19:31] <DarthFrog> Timewarper: Then they're not shell scripts.
[19:31] <sluckxz> anybody get freenx working on 11.10?
[19:31] <DarthFrog> the shebang is necessary.  Unless you pass the file name onto bash, viz:  bash <filename>
[19:33] <Timewarper> Peace-, also it is #! not the other way arround
[19:33] <DarthFrog> Timewarper: The shebang line is necessary to identify the correct command processor.  It might not be /bin/bash.   It could be, eg. /bin/perl for a perl script, /bin/python for a python script or /bin/csh for a C shell script.
[19:33] <Peace-> Timewarper: you right :)
[19:33] <Peace-> i ma  a bit tired
[19:34] <Timewarper> DarthFrog, do we name bash scripts .sh?
[19:34] <Timewarper> in general
[19:34] <DarthFrog> Timewarper:  File extentions are meanginless in Unix.
[19:34] <Timewarper> DarthFrog, i know
[19:34] <Timewarper> i try to remember the norm
[19:34] <DarthFrog> Naming it .sh is for your convenience only, means nothing to the shell.
[19:35] <Peace-> +1
[19:35] <DarthFrog> Many scripts do not have any extentions at all.
[19:35] <Timewarper> ok then
[19:35] <Timewarper> k thx bye
[20:17] <sluckxz> well NOMACHINEs 4 beta nxserver is simple to install and works great.  really hope an open nx server gets up to speed but until then at least it works.
[20:18] <PhilRod_> sluckxz: does it still require root to install?
[20:18] <sluckxz> yea
[20:18] <hume> hi...I've just recently switched to kubuntu from ubuntu (11.10) and like it. I'm trying to understand and make use of activities. Now: sometimes when I switch activities, a window appears that wants to start some programs. Can I cutomize this feature for a new activity? Is it a widget or....?
[20:19] <PhilRod_> sluckxz: ah, pity. I would like to get a faster remote X thing on some machines where I don't have root
[20:20] <sluckxz> do you have any solution without being root?
[20:24] <RoadsterGT> I am running firefox as another user (sudo -u john -H firefox) but i have no sound. It appears it cant connect to alsa. How can i fix that?
[20:28] <sluckxz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1744359
[20:28] <sluckxz> did you see that RoadsterGT
[20:31] <RoadsterGT> sluckxz, doesnt say much
[20:34] <sluckxz> So I tried: pkill pulse and restarted Chrome as different user. Now I get sound ! But of course now there is no more sound as the user I currently am logged in with
[20:34] <sluckxz> unless I restart the pulseaudio-daemon
[20:35] <RoadsterGT> i dont use pulse
[20:35] <RoadsterGT> and besides you cant kill the daemon each time you want to open firefox
[20:37] <RoadsterGT> the answer
[20:37] <RoadsterGT> http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix#1._Install_aoss.2C_alsaplayer.2C_mpg321
[20:39] <sluckxz> cool
[20:55] <akuarius> wtf
[20:55] <akuarius> no one talk?
[20:55] <akuarius> wtf is happening here?
[20:55] <Resistance> lag time ;P
[20:56] <akuarius> hum i see
[20:56] <Resistance> also this is the support channel not the social channel
[20:56] <Resistance> so...
[20:56] <Resistance> akuarius, do you need help with something?
[20:56] <akuarius> yes i need
[20:57] <akuarius> im trying to robe a bank with ubuntu, can u tell me what i have to do?
[20:57] <akuarius> im a poor guy and i nedd funds to bye a new car
[20:58] <Resistance> yeah i can tell you what to do
[20:58] <Resistance> read the code of conduct and channel rules
[20:58] <akuarius> ty :)
[20:58] <Resistance> before asking about illegal crap
[20:58] <Resistance> !illegal
[20:58] <akuarius> hum ok sorry i dont knew it that
[20:58] <akuarius> ok no problem
[20:59] <akuarius> ty ubottu
[20:59] <akuarius> and can u tell me whats the best free shooter game to ubuntu? to play online?
[21:00] <akuarius> im new ubuntu user :)
[21:01] <akuarius> so will u help me?
[21:02] <akuarius> omg
[21:02] <Resistance> unfortunately i dont play games on ubuntu ;P
[21:03] <akuarius> what u do on ubuntu can i know?
[21:03] <Resistance> nope i cannot divulge that information ;P
[21:03] <akuarius> i saw a movie on ubuntu and its to slow frames omg
[21:03]  * Resistance does [SECRET CODING WORK] for [UNDISCLOSED ENTITY]
[21:04] <akuarius> how can i fix the image to see movies with no lagg?
[21:04] <akuarius> lol
[21:04] <akuarius> ahaha
[21:04] <akuarius> i see u r comic
[21:04] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu  | akuarius
[21:05] <akuarius> are u admin?
[21:05] <BluesKaj> akuarius, also install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:05] <Pici> akuarius: Our channel guidelines apply to this channel as well.    The thing in the top right you click has quit showing all the apps running when clicked/now just a drop down menu.  What should i be searching for
[21:48] <BluesKaj> btchero1, are you on ubuntu/gnome or kubuntu/kde?
[22:07] <YawningAngel> Can anyone tell me how best to start troubleshooting a slow/unreliable network interface?
[22:08] <BluesKaj> YawningAngel, ethernet or wifi ?
[22:09] <YawningAngel> Ethernet
[22:09] <BluesKaj> router-modem or just modem ?
[22:09] <YawningAngel> I have a combo router/modem
[22:09] <YawningAngel> My network interface has been fine under other linuxes
[22:09] <YawningAngel> So I'm suspecting it's a software config issue somewhere
[22:09] <YawningAngel> But I have no idea where to start looking
[22:11] <BluesKaj> YawningAngel,  open a terminal and run this command , sudo dhclient eth0
[22:12] <YawningAngel> Hold up, I'll have to reboot, went onto a system with a working eth interface :p
[22:12] <YawningAngel> brb
[22:16] <YawningAngel> Right
[22:17] <YawningAngel> I get the output "RTNETLINK answers: File exists"
[22:25] <BluesKaj> YawningAngel, i recommend this setup for ppl with network manager problems on kubuntu. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[22:25] <YawningAngel> Thanks very much, I'll take a look
[22:26] <BluesKaj> then you can run without the network manager interference layer , as I call it
[22:26] <YawningAngel> Makes sense, I'll set it up as you suggest
[22:27] <YawningAngel> Thank you very much
[22:27] <BluesKaj> YawningAngel, good luck, sorry , but i have to leave
[22:29] <sluckxz> anybody loving ubuntu one using kde?
[22:53] <sercan> ubuntu da hdd bağlama nasıl yapılıyor bilen varmı
[23:05] <ashley_> hi, can someone please pm me... im still a bit of a newb i guess you could say, and im having difficulty with my firefox. If I get a PM i will explain further
[23:06] <Phoenixz> I have my kubuntu laptop at work and some bright light decided to make the wifi SSID hidden "for more security" (yes, I know, dont even bother, barking up the wrong tree there) and now I have  the problem that my knetwork manager does not want to connect / seems unable to connect to that hidden SSID.. Help?
[23:29] <clashingwave> Hello all, I'm trying to get two finger tap to work for my touchpad, but I can seem to get it to work, I have tried using the options in the system settings, but those don't seem to take  effect. can anyone help me with this please?
[23:30] <amason> clashingwave: what kind of touchpad do you have ?
[23:31] <clashingwave> It seems to be a standered touchpad on most laptops
[23:32] <amason> which driver is it using ?
[23:34] <clashingwave> The hardware information givin in the Touchpad settings is SynPS/2 Synaptics
[23:34] <clashingwave> Im not sure as to what driver its using
[23:34] <tharkun> People how can i switch between workspaces on kde and how can i add more?
[23:37] <orp> amy one use opendns?
[23:37] <amason> tharkun: you can choose in the preferences
[23:37] <amason> tharkun: and if you right click on the pager
[23:37] <amason> you can add more
[23:37] <amason> orp: not atm but I was previously
[23:37] <tharkun> amason: where is the pager?
[23:38] <tharkun> and there seems to be no option under preferences :(
[23:41] <clashingwave> tharkun: In the system settings click on the icon "Workspace Behavior"  you will see virtual desktops and in there  you can add more
[23:47] <orp> did you lik134e it
[23:47] <orp> did you like that ?
[23:48] <orp> i don' t see any diffrence
[23:51] <orp> i still don't know the difrence betwin chrome and chromium
[23:52] <orp> any one know it ?
[23:52] <sercan> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
[23:52] <sercan> [mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad
[23:52] <sercan> [mntent]: line 2 in /etc/fstab is bad
[23:52] <sercan> [mntent]: line 10 in /etc/fstab is bad
[23:52] <sercan> mount: can't find /dev/sdb2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab


[02:43] <TravLR> Hi all. I'm wondering if there is any documenation Online regarding the details of the design philosophy behind Unity?


[00:07] <lifeless> beuno: ping - bzr session now
[00:07] <lifeless> beuno: in 'bragi'
[00:15] <rocky> hey, what versions of python does bzr 1.10 "officially" support?
[00:16] <beuno> rocky, 2.4 and 2.5
[00:16] <rocky> is 1.11 aiming for 2.6 support? (officially)
[00:18] <beuno> rocky, I don't think we'll be officially supporting 2.6 very soon. Supporting 3 versions of python sounds a bit hell-ish
[00:19] <rocky> it does, but i would hope for a shift to 2.5/2.6 up from 2.4/2.5
[00:22] <lifeless> 2.6 should be fine with 1.10
[00:22] <lifeless> rocky: 2.4 going is more a factor of distro release schedules and company migration needs than anything else
[00:32] <rocky> lifeless: i asked about "official" because when i tried 1.9 on py2.6 (which "should" work) i found several plugins i used  didn't work with 2.6
[00:33] <rocky> anyways, bzr rocks, keep up the good work ;)
[00:33] <jelmer> well, plugins are different from bzr core of course :-)
[00:35] <jelmer> apparently bzr-svn requires >= python 2.5 these days :-/
[00:36] <rocky> part of why i'm asking is because i'm considering integrating bzr into my cluemapper suite (trac integration) and i require >= py2.5 and would like to update it to 2.6 at some point
[00:36] <jelmer> I don't think anybody is opposed to 2.6 support, but it may be useful to file bugs if you find things don't work with 2.6 yet
[00:44] <lifeless> rocky: plugins - file bugs on them
[00:45] <rocky> right
[00:45] <lifeless> rocky: I mean, I don't *have* python2.6 available on my machine, I can't really fix bugs:)
[00:45] <rocky> everyone can have py2.6 available on their machine :)
[00:45] <rocky> unless you're running msdos or something ;)
[00:46] <lifeless> $ apt-cache search python2.6
[00:47] <rocky> wget Python-2.6.1.tar.bz2 && tar jxf Python-2.6.1.tar.bz2 && cd Python-2.6.1 && ./configure --prefix=$HOME/python2.6 && make && make install
[00:47] <Peng_> Oogh.
[00:47] <rocky> at least that's what i just did on my 3 ubuntu desktops :)
[00:48] <lifeless> rocky: yeah, 'no'.
[00:48] <lifeless> :)
[00:49] <rocky> lifeless: i guess my line was a tad bit longer than yours ;)
[00:56] <lifeless> rocky: :)
[00:59] <Lutin42> Hi! I have a bzr repository. Today, I copied the whole folder onto a USB key and from an other computer, changed some files in it. I did not do any bzr operations. Tonight, I copied the folder back to the first computer in a different folder. Now, bzr status tells me that all the file  have been modified (which is not true).
[00:59] <Lutin42> Any reason this happens?
[00:59] <Lutin42> Any way to fix it?
[01:00] <Rolly> have you tried bzr revert?
[01:00] <beuno> Lutin42, well, the files probably changed properties like owner and such
[01:00] <beuno> bzr revert will throw away all those changes
[01:00] <beuno> so make sure that you don't have anything you don't want to loose
[01:00] <Lutin42> hmmm... I can do this. But I'd like to figure out what happened
[01:01] <Lutin42> I will look at the property
[01:01] <Lutin42> Is time relevant?
[01:03] <jfroy|work> jelmer: are you aware of a problem with bzr 1.10 and bzr-svn 0.4.16 in create_auth_baton?
[01:04] <jelmer> jfroy|work, no
[01:04] <jfroy|work> I'm getting a TypeError exception from that method (auth.py:181)
[01:04] <jfroy|work> "Auth providers should be list"
[01:05] <jfroy|work> Any ideas?
[01:07] <jelmer> jfroy|work, no, sorry. Is providers actually a list?
[01:07] <jfroy|work> totally should be
[01:09] <Lutin42> ok; the permissions have been messed up
[01:10] <lifeless> Lutin42: time isn't relevant
[01:10] <lifeless> Lutin42: I would guess the execute bit was changed or something
[01:10] <lifeless> Lutin42: what does 'bzr diff' show?
[01:10] <lifeless> Lutin42: and can you pastebin the output of status, for justa few files, so we can see it
[01:11] <Lutin42> I fixed the permission of one of the file and it does not show any more in the status
[01:11] <Lutin42> so all is good :)
[01:13] <jfroy|work> jelmer: nm must have been a bad build
[01:13] <jfroy|work> actually that's exactly what happened
[01:13] <jfroy|work> your Makefile is not robust enough
[01:14] <jelmer> patches welcome :-)
[01:14] <jelmer> the Makefile is just a convenience wrapper around setup.py though, not intended as the primary build mechanism
[01:14] <jfroy|work> correct
[01:15] <jfroy|work> the problem is that it uses which to find Python and bzr
[01:15] <jfroy|work> But on the system I was using, the default python is not the same as the python used by bzr.
[01:15] <jfroy|work> All kinds of bad things ensued.
[01:15] <jfroy|work> Ideally it should parse the path returned by bzr --version
[01:16] <jfroy|work> (which is what my patch will do)
[02:37] <Peng_> beuno: fwiw, I'm not sure the Loggerhead changes improve memory usage for me much.
[02:38] <Peng_> beuno: It *might* be a bit better. It's at 120 MB right now, but it usually jumps to 150 instead.
[02:40] <beuno> Peng_, 120 vs 150?
[02:40] <beuno> the major win should be in total usage
[02:40] <beuno> it shouldn't keep on scaling
[02:41] <Peng_> What do you mean?
[02:42] <beuno> it leaks memory for us
[02:42] <beuno> until it crashes
[02:42] <beuno> on large trees
[02:42] <beuno> brb
[02:42] <Peng_> eep
[11:58] <arekm> hello, does bzr have commands that works like git log -p (producing both, changelogs and diffs at the same time - ex http://pld.pastebin.com/f1c76c250) ?
[13:21] <Peng_> beuno: Since the latest Loggerhead trunk stuff, mem usage has actually gotten worse for me. But the workload is a bit different than usual, so it might be expected.
[13:22]  * Peng_ goes back to being away
[13:25] <pygi> mr
[14:03] <Peng_> s/expected/because of that/
[14:03]  * Peng_ goes back to being away again. :P
[14:59] <arekm> hmm, looks like there is no such feature in bzr :-( most commonly used command by me for git repos
[15:02] <arekm> on the other hand http://wiki.frugalware.org/Git_setup says "not possible without plugins"  so maybe there is a plugin for that already
[15:07] <arekm> so is there a plugin that does this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2008q1/038202.html
[15:50] <arekm> matkor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/202331 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/227335
[15:51] <matkor> arekm: he he, you are not the only one [to cite GnR ;) ]
[15:53] <beuno> Peng_, that's not very good news  :(
[15:53] <beuno> what version of bzr are you running?
[16:11] <Peng_> beuno: bzr.dev.
[16:11] <Peng_> Hmm, Loggerhead just recently started loading plugins. I wonder if that could be involved?
[16:12] <Peng_> I have no idea /how/, but..
[16:22] <beuno> Peng_, ah, right. That patch probably shouldn't of gotten in
[16:22] <beuno> it does load plugins
[16:22] <beuno> actually, I'm not sure if that's such a bad thing...
[17:54] <bpierre> hi
[18:36] <Flimm> What's the difference between bzr get and bzr branch?
[18:37] <bpierre> Flimm: get is just an alias for branch
[18:38] <Flimm> OK, thanks
[18:59] <derekS> hello. i messed up my branch and committed a huge file. i want to remove any history of this commit
[18:59] <derekS> because now my .bzr is way too big
[18:59] <derekS> how do i do this?
[19:02] <bpierre> you could uncommit
[19:02] <bpierre> and then clone the branch
[19:02] <bpierre> the new one will not contain the uncommited revision
[19:02] <bpierre> it's more complicated if you're using a shared repo
[19:03] <derekS> good plan
[19:03] <derekS> nope not
[19:04] <Peng_> Even if you are using a shared repo, it's not that complicated.
[19:05] <bpierre> how would you do it? reconfigure --standalone on each branch using it, recreate the shared repo, and reconfigure --shared?
[19:06] <bpierre> or is there a command to completly wipe out the revision?
[19:06] <Peng_> bpierre: Create a new repo and a branch inside it, "bzr heads" in the original repo, pull each one into the new repo, then swap the repos out.
[19:06] <Peng_> ("bzr heads" comes from bzrtools.)
[19:07] <derekS> Peng_: you hang out here too :)
[19:07] <bpierre> ok
[19:07] <Peng_> derekS: Hi. :)
[19:09] <derekS> i am considering putting my bzr repo in something like Dropbox. its only me who uses it, any comments for or against it?
[19:09] <derekS> i am thinking it might be easier then pushing/pulling on 2 computers
[19:09] <pygi> jelmer, lifeless: you rock ;)
[19:10] <Peng_> derekS: Pushing/pulling/merging is not that hard.
[19:10] <bpierre> mmm
[19:10] <bpierre> Peng_: I just tried heads on one of my repo, and I'm not seeing the head of each branch using it
[19:10] <derekS> Peng_: i know ;)
[19:16] <lifeless> pygi: thanks? :)
[19:17] <pygi> lifeless, why the question mark? :p
[19:18] <derekS> hmm, i uncommitted, and did a clone, the new folder is bigger than the old :)
[19:19] <bpierre> :P
[19:19] <bpierre> I tested it and it worked for me
[19:19] <pygi> lifeless, you can probably expect our TOC next week, so you can do a quick check so we could create final revision of it :)
[19:20] <bpierre> derekS: same repository formats?
[19:24] <derekS> bpierre: yeah, just realize i might have had to do 2 uncommits
[19:34] <lifeless> pygi: wasn't sure what you where thanking me for :)
[19:34] <pygi> lifeless, ah, now you know then :p
[20:33] <lifeless> jml: ping me when you are up please
[20:35] <beuno> Peng_, so, memory usage is still up for you?
[20:42] <derekS> so when you push a directory, it just copies the .bzr?
[20:44] <luks> if you push to a remote server, yes
[20:45] <derekS> so what kind of compression is used? my .bzr folder is significantly smaller than the contents of the repo
[20:46] <luks> it stores only the changes (not the full history), and the data are then gzipped
[20:46] <luks> oh wait
[20:46] <luks> by 'repo' you mean actual bzr repository, or your working tree
[20:47] <derekS> bzr repo
[20:47] <derekS> because the working tree has actual data
[20:47] <derekS> the remote push doesn't
[20:47] <luks> well, it might be using a shared repository
[20:48] <luks> what's inside the .bzr folder on the server?
[20:48] <derekS> just the .bzr
[20:48] <luks> I mean inside it
[20:49] <derekS> README  branch  branch-format  branch-lock  repository
[20:49] <luks> ah, then it contains the repository as well
[20:50] <derekS> means all the data gzipped?
[20:50] <luks> delta-compressed and gzipped
[20:50] <derekS> thanks :)
[23:04] <CyberSnooP> Hi. I'm having trouble with the SVN plugin on bzr-1.9 on windows. I've ran the setup, but things like  "bzr version" now say:
[23:04] <CyberSnooP> Unable to load bzr-svn extensions - did you build it?
[23:04] <CyberSnooP> cannot import name client
[23:04] <CyberSnooP> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[23:04] <jelmer> CyberSnooP, how did you run the setup?
[23:05] <CyberSnooP> Downloaded bzr-setup-1.9.exe and kept the defaults
[23:05] <jelmer> that should include bzr-svn I think
[23:05] <CyberSnooP> Well, the plugin is there and bzr tries to load it indeed
[23:06] <CyberSnooP> but somehow it fails to load with the above error
[23:06] <CyberSnooP> The only clue seems to be: "cannot import name client". So probably I'm missing a dependancy, but I couldn't find which one, or how to fix it
[23:11] <jelmer> CyberSnooP, that file is part of bzr-svn
[23:11] <jelmer> CyberSnooP, it is built when you run setup.py
[23:11] <jelmer> CyberSnooP, how did you install bzr-svn?
[23:12] <jelmer> CyberSnooP, also, I think there was an updated version of the bzr 1.9 setup that fixed some issues, it may fix stuff in bzr-svn as well
[23:12] <CyberSnooP> I didn't install bzr-svn manually, but I've only used the bzr-setup-1.9 which should have bzr-svn bundled
[23:13] <jelmer> CyberSnooP, in that case, it sounds to me like a broken setup
[23:47] <Jc2k> jelmer: any chance of that pack code :)? sorry to bug but im blocked on it atm.