[00:30] <DanaG> argh, when the heck will Xorg be able to handle keycodes > 255?
[00:31] <DanaG> damn xorg.
[00:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11227
[01:03] <MindVirus> When is Karmic going into beta?
[01:05] <yofel> MindVirus: see the release schedule in the topic
[01:05] <MindVirus> yofel, thanks. :)
[01:06] <MindVirus> Sweet, it's coming out as stable near my birthday.
[01:06] <MindVirus> Great present.
[01:07] <MindVirus> Now, what will be new/improved in Karmic?
[01:07] <jpds> Loads of fun stuff. :)
[01:08] <jpds> I'm loving Karmic on my laptop.
[01:08] <MindVirus> jpds, may I have an example?
[01:10] <jpds> Grub2? I think blueman is now the default bluetooth applet (which is a lot better than the last one).
[01:10] <MindVirus> What's new in Grub?
[01:11] <MindVirus> Any improvements to the file chooser?
[01:11] <MindVirus> And to PulseAudio? NetworkManager?
[01:12] <RAOF> So... eglibc.  Does that kill anyone's system?
[01:13] <jpds> RAOF: Not mine.
[01:14] <Bacta> Any news on the new theme?
[01:15] <arand> It will have the
[01:15] <arand> Ubuntu brown.
[01:15] <Bacta> Ubuntu brown?
[01:15] <Bacta> That doesn't sound nice
[01:16] <arand> Bacta: meaning, probably no new theme in this release either :) and maybe not in the next, but in a couple of years, I'm sure it'll be there ;)
[01:16] <Bacta> Someone did have the idea of having a competition where people can submit their ideas and then there's a vote
[01:16] <Bacta> Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me
[01:18] <Bacta> Currently is there a way of doing the glass transparency effect you get with Vista?
[01:18] <arand> Bacta: Well, there is already artwork/incoming wiki, although no voting there, and brainstorm with votes, but not very good for visualizing..
[01:19] <Bacta> I think there needs to be more desktop backgrounds shipped with it
[01:19] <Bacta> The orange one that came with 9.04 is actually depressing after a while
[01:19] <arand> Bacta: I don't know, you mean like window borders? I'm sure emarald would do that... haven't looked though...
[01:20] <Bacta> Kind of like this http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs16/i/2007/139/5/9/Windows_Vista_Glass_PSD_by_halfwayglad.jpg
[01:21] <RAOF> It's kinda possible to do that, but not really.
[01:21] <Bacta> Ubuntu is getting there in terms of usability but it does look a little depressing to me ;)
[01:22] <Bacta> Perhaps I should up the prozac instead of whining
[01:27] <arand> Bacta: I guess http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Azul+Glassy?content=92208 is somewhat like that...
[01:28] <Bacta> Yep that looks cool :)
[01:30] <arand> Bacta: But Indeed I've started setting ub my own default ubu theme, by now, brown ages quickly. I use new-wave+clearlooks+tango/tangerine icons, and a custom blue-ish tone for marking, handles, etc...
[01:30] <Bacta> Screenshot?
[01:33]  * arand rummages around after an old shot.
[01:35] <arand> Bacta: Something like: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5046/wtblue.png
[01:37] <yofel> If we're already talking about themese, here's mine ;) http://imagebin.ca/view/5bZsig.html  blue darkroom/glider/oxygen-icons/oxygen-cursor
[01:37] <yofel> the brown ubuntu theme *is* depressing
[01:40] <arand> yofel: and at the same time it feels to warm, to goey, intrusive almost... always preferred colder colours I guess.
[01:41] <yofel> One theme I really like is aurora http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk+Engine?content=56438 - shame it's not in the repos
[01:41] <yofel> arand: yeah, know what you mean
[01:41] <Bacta> arand: You do have the transparency thing going too
[01:42] <Bacta> yofel: Gundam Wing .. typical ;)
[01:42] <arand> yofel: Neat theme there btw, although I'm not sure I like thew intesity of the blue, kinda bit too neon-y for me..
[01:42] <yofel> Bacta: actually it's the Exia from G00
[01:43] <DanaG> I prefer Nodoka, myself.
[01:43] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png
[01:44] <Bacta> heh ... this is what you get on torrentz.com when their servers are overloaded http://torrentz.com/img/hamster.jpg , cute
[01:44] <DanaG> That theme (especially on a non-glossy display) == wonderfully smooth.
[01:44] <DanaG> ugh, now my mute is screwed up... the hardware mute and the software mute are stuck opposite each other.
[01:45] <arand> DanaG: That theme is very... orange.
[01:46] <DanaG> I like orange.  =þ
[01:46] <DanaG> Though if I wanted to tone it down, I could use the color-picker on the wallpaper.
[01:46] <yofel> well, at least the backround fits the theme :D
[01:48] <DanaG> oh, I'd forgotten which wallpaper was in the screenshot.
[01:49] <arand> Hmm, I like plain backgrounds, I want to be able to see my icons :) (I honestly don't get all those wallpapers where the main "thing" is on the left side, perfect for interfereing with the icons...)
[01:51] <DanaG> This is my current background: http://konachan.com/image/e4b7fcf53c18c4010d591bd7ee92eb37/Konachan.com%20-%209504%20clamp%20fay_d_flourite%20kurogane%20sakura%20syaoran%20tsubasa_reservoir_chronicle.jpg
[01:51] <DanaG> Though I cropped it to the top 1600x1000.
[01:51] <DanaG> Oh, and be warned: might wanna' search that site with keyword AND "rating:safe".
[01:53] <DanaG> That's what I was thinking of when I mentioned color picker and "toning down" the color.
[01:55] <arand> I recently cropped up one from a webcomic: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9270/0573.png taken from: http://rosalarian.com/yume/?p=1328
[02:07] <Tekno> morning
[02:08] <arand> Tekno: morning... I guess, /me is heading off to bed soon...
[02:26] <DanaG> Here's something weird I get: I can't boot via grub-efi anymore -- it (the kernel) acts like it can't comprehend the ext4 partition.
[02:28] <DanaG> Unable to mount root on unknown-block(0,0)
[02:28] <DanaG> or: "unsupported optional features" -- because it's trying to mount as ext3.  Or: no init found.
[02:39] <arand> Main menu stopped working, al of a sudden... odd...
[02:41] <arand> hmm, logout/login solved it...
[03:57] <Tekno> morning
[04:09] <gnomefreak> cant be morning yet, i haent slept yet :(
[04:09] <Tekno> :D
[04:10] <m3ga> anyone else having problems with timeouts when ssh-ing into a karmic ssh server?
[04:30] <virtuald> 05:27 < virtuald> how do i get rid of this blinking getty without an inittab?
[04:30] <virtuald> 05:27 < virtuald> it pops up over x and disappears
[04:43] <HowDoI> Is there anything that would make Karmic lock up immediately after booting besides "It's still in Alpha"?
[04:47] <poseidon> So is there scheduled to be any major gui changes in KK, or are they going to put it off till LL?
[04:48] <poseidon> by gui changes I mean default look (ie the brown theme)
[04:48] <HowDoI> I read that it might be put off again
[04:57] <ubuntukl> y does my pc keep lockin up at startup? http://pastebin.com/m993dfdc
[04:59] <poseidon> HowDoI, you mean put off untill karmic+2?
[05:03] <andresmujica> poseidon:  definitely for next LTS ... that's what Mark said...
[05:03] <HowDoI> That's what I hear from some site that had an interview with Shuttleburg
[05:04] <andresmujica> Shuttleworth
[05:04] <HowDoI> So they claim to have fixed most of the issues with Intel Graphics for Karmic, but is there any way to get those working with Jaunty?
[05:05] <andresmujica> xorg-edgers
[05:05] <andresmujica> and mainline kernels
[05:06] <poseidon> andresmujica, he made it sound like there was going to be a new theme for karmic
[05:07] <HowDoI> I tried that, but the entire system locked up immediately on booting with those new packages
[05:08] <andresmujica> yeap. it's the hint for a new theme, but i don't get a firm conviction about it from what i've read...
[05:09] <andresmujica> howdol: and the ext4 line is the last you get?
[05:09] <HowDoI> No, I mean it usually gets to the desktop and then freezes
[05:10] <HowDoI> So far my Memtest86 hasn't found anything, so It's probably not my RAM
[05:19] <andresmujica> a lot of bugs have that exactly symptom... hard to tell.
[05:20] <HowDoI> Well it did the exact same thing in Jaunty after I installed the updated X-related packages
[05:20] <andresmujica> anyway there were some X stack updates to Jaunty that reduced the freeze considerably...
[05:21] <HowDoI> Well, the instructions I used weren't exactly clear as to whether the new packages required kernel 2.6.30 or not
[05:24] <andresmujica> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze#Problem:%20%20Freezes%20right%20after%20entering%20login%20credentials
[05:26] <andresmujica> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/IntelDriver
[05:30] <HowDoI> Hmm, I think I'll just wait for the problem to get fixed in Karmic
[05:30] <HowDoI> Actually I'm not so sure, considering the problem won't get fixed in Jaunty.  Is this correct?
[05:36] <andresmujica> would be mitigated.  Jaunty is EXA, so the performance is better in Karmic definitely
[05:37] <HowDoI> That only applies if I can actually use the system though
[05:38] <andresmujica> you can try nopat option kernel at boot
[05:38] <andresmujica> maybe its your bug
[05:38] <HowDoI> What is nopat?
[05:39] <andresmujica> bug #372028
[05:40] <virtuald> anyone know a way to search throug /usr for files not from any package?
[05:40] <HowDoI> I used the 2.6.30 kernel with Jaunty and did not experience the freezing problem
[05:41] <SwedeMike> are they still releasing 2.6.30 kernels for karmic (as new stable revisions of vanilla kernel are released) ?
[05:42] <andresmujica> 2.6.31 rc3
[05:43] <SwedeMike> No, I meant like <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:44] <andresmujica> ahh Mainline kernels you mean?
[05:44] <SwedeMike> yes.
[05:44] <andresmujica> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[05:44] <andresmujica> yeap
[05:44] <andresmujica> ok i'm out...
[05:45] <SwedeMike> ah, well, I didnt want mainline kernels either, I wanted the ubuntu ones but new ones as bugs were fixed in mainline
[06:01] <DanaG> http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2009/07/16/firefox-3-5-suffers-critical-js-flaw/1
[06:03] <Tefad> their JIT gets confused
[06:06] <HowDoI> They need to get their JIT straightened out
[06:06] <HowDoI> You could say that their security problems have put them in a world of JIT
[07:04] <DanaG> hah, installing ntp package just gave me a "config file changed" file where the "old" was entirely empty.
[07:37] <m3ga> anyone else having problems with timeouts when ssh-ing into a karmic ssh server?
[07:41] <jml> I can ssh localhost just fine.
[07:44] <m3ga> it works, but i get the hang followed by a timeout.
[07:45] <m3ga> the ocassional hang
[08:50] <JBauer> Here
[08:50] <JBauer> Hi, I'm running Ubtuntu 9.10. I've played with some servers: SSH, FTP, HTTP. I would really want to know if I still run those
[08:51] <JBauer> And if they start when i login
[08:52] <|ns|nR8> you could see if the port is listening
[08:52] <JBauer> how?
[08:53] <|ns|nR8> well for standard http the port listening would be port 80 unlkess you changed it
[08:53] <|ns|nR8> so command to find that port listening would be um
[08:53] <|ns|nR8> netstat -nat | grep 80
[08:53] <|ns|nR8> or netstat -nat | grep "80"
[08:54] <|ns|nR8> ssh is grep 22
[08:54] <|ns|nR8> ftp 21
[08:54] <JBauer> ok i have this: tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN
[08:54] <|ns|nR8> that means you have web server running...in your browser put http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:55] <JBauer> and how do i stop those?
[08:55] <|ns|nR8> do you want to stop it or remove it
[08:55] <JBauer> and is there a way for someone to enter my pc and copy my files? on ssh for ex?
[08:55] <JBauer> remove it.
[08:55] <|ns|nR8> depends what type of connection your on....is your modem a nat router ?
[08:55] <JBauer> router
[08:56] <|ns|nR8> then they cant connect froom internet unless you set port forward in router
[08:56] <|ns|nR8> people on local LAN can access tho
[08:56] <JBauer> My isp has the router. not me
[08:56] <JBauer> my isp has a lan, and we all get internet from it
[08:57] <|ns|nR8> whats your internet ip..go to www.whatismyip.com
[08:57] <|ns|nR8> ill see if i can connect to you
[08:57] <|ns|nR8> ok
[08:57] <JBauer><PHONE_NUMBER>.184
[08:57] <|ns|nR8> invalid ip
[08:57] <JBauer> so you can't?
[08:57] <JBauer> connect
[08:57] <|ns|nR8> thats not a valid ip
[08:57] <JBauer> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:58] <JBauer> sorry
[08:58] <|ns|nR8> ok ill try
[08:58] <|ns|nR8> noop no web server running
[08:58] <JBauer> Ok. So i'm pretty safe
[08:59] <|ns|nR8> yep id say so
[08:59] <|ns|nR8> http server only shares a directory it made
[08:59] <|ns|nR8> same as ftp
[08:59] <|ns|nR8> and ssh needs your username and password
[08:59] <JBauer> i know. but ssh is dangerous
[08:59] <JBauer> they cand bruteforce it
[09:00] <|ns|nR8> if your running ubuntu there is no root login
[09:00] <|ns|nR8> so they would have to brute your username and password
[09:00] <|ns|nR8> make it near impossible even with an easy password
[09:00] <JBauer> hmm. true..
[09:00] <JBauer> another question
[09:01] <JBauer> i was running this ssh cause i wanted to connect from another pc to mine
[09:01] <JBauer> but never could
[09:01] <|ns|nR8> because your modem needs port forarding set probably
[09:01] <|ns|nR8> modem/router
[09:01] <JBauer> also, no http or ftp server.
[09:01] <|ns|nR8> same
[09:01] <JBauer> no, beacuse on windows http and ftp works
[09:02] <JBauer> bunt in ubuntu, i cand connect only locally... <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:27] <virtuald> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pkyDUX5uM
[09:36] <bazhang> virtuald, dont paste here
[09:39] <virtuald> i have no qualms about swearing in church
[09:40] <bazhang> virtuald, ??
[09:59] <Shambler1> I'm using Karmic on my Asus EEE PC 1000HE. I have two sound applets now that both seem to be disconnected from the sound controls of GNOME's keyboard sound controls. Is there a way to solve this?
[10:34] <reto`> hmm... I've filed a bug report about a week ago and it hasn't even been noticed it seems... is that normal?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> reto`: sometimes yes
[11:19] <BUGabundo> heyyy
[11:19] <BUGabundo> I'M BACK
[11:21] <BUGabundo> now doing 19 sec boot
[11:21] <BUGabundo> yeahhhh
[11:24] <Twigathy> hot
[11:24] <Twigathy> My boot isn't that quick, but it shuts down fast :D
[11:24] <BUGabundo> i still have to test hibernation
[11:25] <BUGabundo> and put a swap on file
[11:25] <BUGabundo> need to find the wiki page with it again
[11:25] <BUGabundo> lost a few things I forgot to backup :((
[11:25] <BUGabundo> like my cheat txt I stored on /root :(((
[11:25] <BUGabundo> and my most recent bootcharts from /var/logs
[11:25] <BUGabundo> other then that I seem to be OK
[11:25] <Twigathy> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=2M count=someamount && mkswap /swapfile && swapon /swapfile
[11:25] <BUGabundo> now need to restore a few things!
[11:25] <Twigathy> >_>
[11:26] <BUGabundo> 2M ?
[11:26] <BUGabundo> aint that a bit too much?
[11:26] <Twigathy> Or whatever block size you want when writing to the disk c_c
[11:26] <BUGabundo> I did leave a 5GiBs partion for now
[11:26] <BUGabundo> since cjwatson hasn't yet touched this
[11:27] <BUGabundo> he expects to start latter on alpha6 :(
[11:27] <BUGabundo> but thanks for the command Twigathy
[11:27] <Twigathy> hehe, np
[11:51] <zj3t3mju> today my scim was not start :(
[11:51] <zj3t3mju> echo $GTK_IM_MODULE in  ""
[11:51] <zj3t3mju> others too
[11:51] <zj3t3mju> :-/
[11:53] <BUGabundo> humm what? gtk broke?
[11:54] <zj3t3mju> :-/
[12:16] <Guest64688> does anyone know any new features in karmic desktop ?
[12:18] <BUGabundo> Gueu can read the alpah 2 release notes
[12:18] <Guest64688> is there a link ?
[12:22] <BUGabundo> getting it now Guest64688
[12:22] <Guest64688> ok cheers :)
[12:22] <BUGabundo> mysystem is a bit slow
[12:22] <BUGabundo> due to beiung restoring a 80GiB mailbox backup
[12:23] <Guest64688> oh right, haha yeah thatd slow most things down
[12:23] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview
[12:23] <Guest64688> cool cheers
[12:23] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:35] <BUGabundo> anyone seeing two volume applets?
[14:36] <drs305> BUGabundo: Yes, I have two.
[14:37] <BUGabundo> drs305: one is the new one, and the other the jaunty?
[14:37] <BUGabundo> where one is vertical and one horizontal?
[14:38] <BUGabundo> and with a fresh install I also lost the volume levers control I had
[14:39] <drs305> BUGabundo: Yes - one is in the notification area and the other at the far right of the panel.
[14:39] <BUGabundo> yep
[14:39] <BUGabundo> very strange
[14:40] <BUGabundo> though it was configuration issue but I have it too on a fresh install
[14:40] <robin0800> BUGabundo, you can remove one
[14:40] <drs305> BUGabundo: I saved the panel settings and it looks like one is /usr/share/applications/gnome-settings-sound and the other /usr/share/applications/gnome-sound-recorder
[14:40] <BUGabundo> robin0800: I can only remove old one, and I like that one
[14:41] <drs305> BUGabundo: Yes, the one you can't remove is probably in the notification area.
[14:41] <BUGabundo> right
[14:42] <drs305> I take it back about sound.recorder.  That is another applet I have on my panel.
[14:43] <drs305> The one you can remove it the volume applet.
[14:43] <BUGabundo> yes
[14:45] <BUGabundo> do you guys feel that fusion-icon start the WM it had stored instead keeping the one already running is a bug? or a feature?
[14:46] <BUGabundo> mine had metacity so it replaced my compiz :(
[15:11] <tgpraveen1> anyone here
[15:11] <rski> no
[15:11] <tgpraveen1> knows what is console kit?
[15:11] <arand> tgpraveen1: barely.
[15:11] <mac_v> BUGabundo> what does the alert volume do?[from volume control] it is greyed out.
[15:11] <tgpraveen1> arand: atleast tell me what u know. what does it do?
[15:11] <tgpraveen1> or any helful link it seems i cant google properly
[15:11] <BUGabundo> mac_v: alert?
[15:12] <BUGabundo> where are you seeing that?
[15:12] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen we are all at the beach
[15:12] <mac_v> BUGabundo> volume applet> volume control
[15:12] <BUGabundo> all but me, I'll be buying snacks and free beer
[15:12] <rski> tgpraveen1: http://tinyurl.com/lujxjw
[15:12] <arand> tgpraveen1: Oh, barely as in barely here, I know nothing about consolekit, unfortunately.
[15:13] <BUGabundo> mac_v: aahhhhh it's the small beeper noise for errors or user attention call
[15:13] <mac_v> BUGabundo: why is it greyed out? is it still not implemented?
[15:14] <BUGabundo> mac_v: d'oh. have you set a Sound Theme?
[15:14]  * BUGabundo wants the old Levels Volume back!!
[15:15] <mac_v> BUGabundo> even if i set any sound theme/leave it alone it is still greyed out
[15:15] <BUGabundo> WFM mac_v
[15:16] <robin0800> BUGabundo, this one works much better for me if i use rhythmbox it tracks the two volumes
[15:16] <mac_v> ;p
[15:17] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:17] <BUGabundo> I use pavucontrol for FULL control
[15:17] <mac_v> BUGabundo> is it because i have the second volume applet? the last update did that.. how do i removed the extra volume applet
[15:17] <BUGabundo> when ever it doesn't go crazy and presents me with 140% volume
[15:18] <BUGabundo> mac_v: I've had it since for ever
[15:18] <BUGabundo> even before alpha 2 I think
[15:18] <tgpraveen1> !gnome-phone-manager
[15:19] <tgpraveen1> what am i doing wrong here?
[15:19] <BUGabundo> ohhhh Compiz Snow is SOOO much cooler then Water !!!
[15:19] <mac_v> i hadnt noticed it before, only yesterday , i had a second volume applet, so was looking around... how do i remove the second applet? it doesn have options
[15:19] <BUGabundo> !info gnome-phone-manager
[15:19] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: AFAIK it doesn't work with blueman !
[15:20] <BUGabundo> I need to file a bug on it , now that you mention it
[15:20] <mac_v> BUGabundo>^ & also ... do you know any man pages for the latest gdm?
[15:20] <robin0800> mac_v, you can't only thr first one
[15:21] <tgpraveen1> BUGabundo: right now which is the default bluetooth stack software?blueman or gnome-bluetooth?
[15:21] <tgpraveen1> in karmic?
[15:21] <mac_v> robin0800> so , i'm stuck with two applets. :( its just i'm not able to test the alert volume...  well i guess i'll wait for it to be fixed
[15:22]  * BUGabundo tries to remember where to put 64bits flash .so :\
[15:22] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: _right now_ is very volatile, but asac is inclined to go with blueman
[15:23] <tgpraveen1> is there any other distro using blueman?
[15:23] <BUGabundo> no idea
[15:23] <tgpraveen1> BUGabundo: also right now in daily cds which is being put by default? blueman?
[15:23] <BUGabundo> but from my tests, its much better and more funcional
[15:23] <BUGabundo> plus a better responsive team upstream
[15:24] <BUGabundo> let me check
[15:24] <BUGabundo> this system was isntalled ysterdaty
[15:24] <mac_v> BUGabundo> any man pages for the latest gdm?
[15:24] <drs305> BUGabundo: I did an install last night. Went to this site in FF 3.5 and it asked if I wanted to install Adobe Flash for me automatically (cool !): http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
[15:24] <BUGabundo> err
[15:24] <BUGabundo> nor blueman, nor gnome-bluetooth
[15:24] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:24] <BUGabundo> mac_v: no idea
[15:24] <tgpraveen1> :-D
[15:25] <BUGabundo> drs305: I want the 64 alpha
[15:25] <BUGabundo> not thte 32 or 64 wrapper
[15:25] <drs305> BUGabundo: This was the first time it's ever asked me in 64 bit.
[15:25] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: I know I have BT on.... let me check better
[15:25] <BUGabundo> drs305: always did for me
[15:25] <BUGabundo> but I ussually go with the native one!
[15:26] <BUGabundo> much better perf
[15:26] <drs305> Darn, thought it was new and put on 10 Alpha.
[15:26] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: bluez-gnome
[15:27] <tgpraveen1> BUGabundo: isnt that the one in jaunty?
[15:27] <tgpraveen1> it was super terrible
[15:27]  * BUGabundo installing blueman
[15:27] <tgpraveen1> aargh i dont use my bt usb device anymore as it never works with that
[15:27] <drs305> Anyway,  here is where I used to put 10 Alpha: ~/.mozilla/plugins/  /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins   I don't know if it's the same for Karmic.
[15:27] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: no idea! it was so long ago, and soooo buggy
[15:28] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: with blueman I can sync files and even use my phone as a modem
[15:28] <BUGabundo> that freak HUGE work I can't spell
[15:28] <BUGabundo> now I need to test BT and audio
[15:28] <mac_v> i heard some problems due to ubuntuone package, is responsible for nautilus crashes?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> Daniel said PA would have support for it in KK
[15:29] <BUGabundo>  /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins thanks
[15:29] <BUGabundo> done
[15:29] <drs305> Working?
[15:30] <BUGabundo> now I realize I forgot nautilyus tools
[15:30] <BUGabundo> stupid me did not backup my installed apps !:(
[15:30] <BUGabundo> mac_v: U1 Qs go to #ubuntuone
[15:30] <BUGabundo> doest seem to be starting for me
[15:31] <mac_v> BUGabundo> i actually dont have ubuntuone account, but the package is installed :(
[15:32] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:33] <patapouf> does anyone have issue with avant window navigator ? On my side, I experience many unstable behaviour starting with the cpu usage and the task list that never appear
[15:33] <BUGabundo> Processing triggers for menu ...
[15:33] <BUGabundo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:33] <BUGabundo> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[15:34] <BUGabundo> this is not going to end good :(
[15:34] <mac_v> BUGabundo> ah... i thought it was you who mentioned it... but only now i realized it was from #ubuntu-desktop had to check logs... the client causes the nautlius crash when selecting computer
[15:34] <BUGabundo> patapouf: use gnome Do (with docky) instead
[15:34] <BUGabundo> and yeah there's a bug on AWN already
[15:34] <drs305> BUGabundo: I've been checking the libflashplayer.so the Adobe site automatically installed (It actually installed flashplugin-installer). It appears it put the 10 Alpha flash into my system.
[15:34] <patapouf> BUGabundo:  Well I've try Do, and love it, but it miss one of the big feature I need : drag-n-drop
[15:35] <BUGabundo> patapouf: ah? dnd? never even used it
[15:35] <BUGabundo> drs305: AFAIK it puts 32bits with a wrapper, unless it changed on KK
[15:36] <patapouf> BUGabundo: wep, I dnd thing between application. The default WindowsList applet in panel do so, but Gnome-Do don't
[15:37] <BUGabundo> E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[15:37] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I don't even have it! darn flash tries to get into my system
[15:38] <BUGabundo> patapouf: I think you are confusing things
[15:38] <BUGabundo> Do is _just_ a luncher
[15:38] <patapouf> BUGabundo: exact, and it's the problem.
[15:40] <BUGabundo> so what does AWN more?
[15:40]  * BUGabundo now wishes gnome devs would implement drag, alt+tab, drop!!!!
[15:40] <patapouf> BUGabundo: It's also support all the feature of a Windows List
[15:41] <BUGabundo> never tried it, or even know what that means :)
[15:41] <drs305> The flashplugin-installer the Adobe site put on my machine installed a libflashplayer.so that is exactly identical in bytes to the 10 Alpha one.
[15:41] <BUGabundo> strange
[15:41] <BUGabundo> maybe it changed ?
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> BUGabundo: mind giving me the link to nm 0.8 ppa again?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> grrr let me go road kill asac... I can't remove flashplugin-installer
[15:43] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: you keep losing it!!
[15:43] <BUGabundo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu karmic main
[15:43] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: remember to also install modem manager if you use 3G
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> yeah i thought i wont use it but these days nm 0.7 series is giving me too many troubles ;-)
[15:44] <BUGabundo> is it?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> shouldn't
[15:45] <tgpraveen1> BUGabundo: do u have the launchpad link for that ppa. i want to use it on jaunty
[15:46] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/221207/
[15:46] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen1: you can't!
[15:46] <BUGabundo> its failing to build
[15:46] <tgpraveen1> oh noes :-(
[15:47] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk
[15:47] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+build/1119304
[16:08] <BUGabundo> OMG only now i found out about Compiz Tile plugin! been missing it for soooo long!
[16:11] <BUGabundo> so what's everyone favorite windows swicher?
[16:11] <Hobbsee> compiz tile?
[16:11] <BUGabundo> I have shift swicher on super+alt
[16:11] <Hobbsee> oh, that one, right
[16:11] <BUGabundo> but want one for alt+tab
[16:11] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: yeah tile!! SO good
[16:11] <BUGabundo> missed that for..., well for ever
[16:12] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: using OP?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> I found it strange to see you up high. and now I noticed the star ehhe
[16:12] <Hobbsee> OP?
[16:12] <Hobbsee> oh
[16:13] <BUGabundo> ahah
[16:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, i booted soeone out a few days ago
[16:13] <BUGabundo> you forgot?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> ehehhh
[16:13] <BUGabundo> days?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:13] <Hobbsee> mmy keyboads'  broken, so i've been avoiding typing for a few weeks
[16:13] <Hobbsee> new keyboard should be here in a few days
[16:13] <BUGabundo> strange that I looked as if you were invisilbe or soemthing
[16:13] <BUGabundo> I could see you on my top user list, but not the OP symbol
[16:13] <Hobbsee> stange
[16:13] <BUGabundo> only when you talked it changed
[16:14] <BUGabundo> that's when I noticed you were set as OP
[16:14] <Hobbsee> yup
[16:15] <Hobbsee> i went to -devel to look at booting the guy fo thee too
[16:15] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:15] <BUGabundo> I bet you don't have 'e's on the keyb
[16:15] <Hobbsee> i do have e's
[16:15] <BUGabundo> err
[16:15] <BUGabundo> I meant 'r'
[16:15] <BUGabundo> typo
[16:15] <Hobbsee> just not m, r, c, and a few othes ae soewaht tepraental
[16:15] <bazhang> r's and m's :)
[16:16] <Hobbsee> ade the istake of cleaning it otu... :(
[16:16] <BUGabundo> AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:16] <bazhang> no dangerous command then :)
[16:16] <Hobbsee> nope
[16:16] <BUGabundo> its the funniest thing to read :))
[16:16] <BUGabundo> I'm almost crying
[16:16] <BUGabundo> bazhang: Hobbsee can't rm now
[16:16] <bazhang> BUGabundo, but she can tab-complete, beware :)
[16:16] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: ctrl+r is the biggest poblem, actually
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> Hobbsee - to make it even more confusing, you should also try changing your keyboard layout to french or something ;)
[16:17]  * Hobbsee should really rebind that
[16:17] <Hobbsee> chrisccoulson: oh, erk!  :)
[16:17] <Hobbsee> chrisccoulson: o just dvorak
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:17] <BUGabundo> hey
[16:17] <BUGabundo> one R in there
[16:17]  * BUGabundo blames spell chekker
[16:17] <BUGabundo> hey Le-Chuck_ITA
[16:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there!
[16:18] <Hobbsee> heya!
[16:18] <BUGabundo> but my question remains
[16:18] <BUGabundo> what's everyone favorite windows swicher?
[16:18] <BUGabundo> I have shift swicher on super+alt, but want one for alt+tab
[16:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have my own ssh private key which was generated a long time ago. Now sourceforge says it removed compromised keys (do you remember the debian ssh accident?) but how do I tell if my key is compromised?
[16:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean I don't want to re-upload it in that case
[16:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: window switcher hummm
[16:20] <Hobbsee> Le-Chuck_ITA: thee's a tool for it
[16:20] <Hobbsee> is it dsa or rsa?
[16:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is this -offtopic or +1 :)  Mine in the end is the default one, even if the coverflow-alike is pretty
[16:20] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: wasn't it remobed in karmic?
[16:20] <BUGabundo> 'cause it didn't make any more use?
[16:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hobbsee: rsa
[16:21] <BUGabundo> openssl-blacklist
[16:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hobbsee: you are very inside kubuntu if I recall correctly then I have a quick question
[16:21] <BUGabundo> !info openssl-blacklist
[16:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hobbsee: I see on a bug report that "The current version of kile and the version of okular from kde 4.3 beta2 can work together using forwardDVI."
[16:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hobbsee: at this point does anybody know if that version of okular is going to be in karmic?
[16:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: but do you mean that I should see if MY OWN key is in that list? I mean my id_rsa.pub which is in my ~/.ssh
[16:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> So the bug was so grave that keys where all similar?
[16:24] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: AFAIK that tool provides ways to check if the key is week
[16:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aha ok
[16:33] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: i'm not sue.
[16:33] <Hobbsee> Le-Chuck_ITA: not since pre-gutsy, i'm afraid
[16:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gutsy=?
[16:34] <Hobbsee> gutsy, as in, that thing that got EOL'd a while ago.
[16:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hobbsee: aaah you're not inside kubuntu :) I thought gutsy had something to do with okular from kde 4.3 :)
[16:35] <Hobbsee> Le-Chuck_ITA: i'd just install the jaunty vesion of openssl-blacklist
[16:35] <Hobbsee> corect :)
[16:35] <Hobbsee> Le-Chuck_ITA: it'll be whatever ships with the kde that  they go with
[16:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hobbsee: I did install it but then... there is a openssl-vulnkey script but whatever id_rsa* file I pass to it, it complains it's not ok
[16:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry I mean it complains it's not in the right format
[16:37] <Hobbsee> Le-Chuck_ITA: strange.  it woked back when i tied it
[16:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hobbsee: here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/221233/
[16:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah but that's an error in python it seems
[16:39]  * Hobbsee wondesr if that happens when you feed it a single file
[16:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I fear my key was compromised in any case since sf.net removed it
[16:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but should I pass it the .pub or the id_rsa file?
[16:40] <Hobbsee> does --help indicate?
[16:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no but it seems that it's the private one
[16:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no ok I am bullsh******
[16:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have no idea
[16:42] <ulysses__> hello, there isn't xorg.conf in my karmic koala, what can i do?
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> what problem are you having?
[16:43] <ulysses__> i want to install nvidia driver, and make better refresh rate with editing xorg.conf
[16:44] <ripps> How do I create a guest session in Karmic
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> ulysses - you shouldn't need a xorg.conf for any of that AFAIK. what refresh rate do you get?
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> ripps - the guest-session stuff has not been ported to the new GDM yet
[16:46] <ulysses__> 50 Hz, its bad
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> is it really 50Hz? what tells you it's 50Hz?
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> because the NVIDIA driver has a bug which exposes around 50Hz in the display capplet, when it is much higher
[16:47] <ulysses__> it's not installed yet
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> right
[16:47] <BUGabundo> ripps: don't think we can :(
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> but when it is installed, you should not have to fiddle around
[16:48] <ulysses__> so, i found nvidia-glx-180 package, install, and try
[16:51] <BUGabundo> lolol
[16:51] <BUGabundo> my nvidia setting just blew when I pressed : "save to xorg.conf"
[16:53] <Twigathy> I don't think the 'save to xorg.conf' has ever worked for me
[16:54] <BUGabundo> it did for me on JJ
[16:54] <ulysses__> i'va installed nvidia-glx-180, then run `sudo nvidia-xconfig`, now i edit my xorg.conf, the horizsync and vertrefresh is bad
[16:58] <ulysses__> it's done!
[16:59] <torkiano> anyone using devhelp in karmic? Seems that It doesn't search the documentation in the correct path
[17:03] <zniavre_> Twigathy> I don't think the 'save to xorg.conf' has ever worked for me > you should laund nvidia-settings with gksudo to save file
[17:03] <zniavre_> lanch*
[17:03] <zniavre_> launch** sorry
[17:04] <Twigathy> ah yes, that'd probably help... permissionsfail :)
[17:05] <torkiano> I think the problem is in the last character: «/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk/gtk-General.html#gtk-get-option-groupÂ»
[17:28] <ripps> What's holding back ubuntu-minimal?
[17:29] <robin0800> ripps, a small elastic band
[17:30] <ripps> -_-
[17:33] <BUGabundo> :))))
[17:46] <cwillu> BUGabundo, did you run it as root?
[17:46] <cwillu> I think it crashes like that if it can't write to the file
[17:48] <BUGabundo> hey cwillu
[17:48] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I opened it from the menu
[17:48] <BUGabundo> cwillu: if it crahes it's a bug :)
[17:49] <cwillu> true enough
[17:49] <cwillu> sudo touch /tmp/xorg.conf, and then tell nvidia-settings to write to that file, I bet it crashes too
[17:50] <BUGabundo> yeah seems it won't ask for GKSU
[17:50] <BUGabundo> well in true, it doesn't need sudo for screen manipulation
[17:50] <BUGabundo> its done on userspace
[17:53] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/221279/
[17:53] <BUGabundo> exaile alpha crash
[17:58] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/exaile/+bug/401136
[18:01] <BUGabundo> humm so we are finally mygrating logs?
[18:01] <BUGabundo> that's what's holding minimal
[18:01] <BUGabundo> guud
[18:01] <BUGabundo> ripps: ^^^^^^^
[18:36] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: webcams finally fixed here, how about you?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: not here
[18:43] <BUGabundo> let me check if there's a new update on the driver
[18:50] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, dunno haven't looked
[18:50] <billybigrigger> as of what rc3?
[18:50] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, negative
[18:50] <billybigrigger> cheese and camorama don't work
[18:52] <billybigrigger> gspca hasn't been update in the kernel for weeks
[18:52] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, so it must be something else
[18:55] <Sarvatt> it was a ubuntu package that got updated and fixed my problem
[18:55] <Sarvatt> wasnt working on the same kernel before
[18:55] <billybigrigger> hmm
[18:55] <billybigrigger> which package do you know?
[18:55] <Sarvatt> nope
[18:55] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[18:55] <Sarvatt> something in the past 5 days
[19:01] <Sarvatt> .. and now its not working again, it worked earlier though lol
[19:03] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/221309/
[19:03] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: it was a fluke :)
[19:25] <DanaG> argh, when the heck will Xorg be able to handle keycodes > 255?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:33] <yofel> hi folks
[19:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11227
[19:36] <DanaG> heh, read it and look at the dates.  =þ
[19:37] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[19:50] <DanaG> Something I've noticed with compiz: it can't handle raw-keycode bindings that Metacity can handle.
[19:50] <DanaG> For example, I have a key 0xc9, but compiz doesn't run the command I set it to run.
[19:52] <DanaG> oh yeah, and now that HAL is not handling keymaps... how do you make Xorg reload the keymaps (from udev) without restarting Xorg?
[19:53] <Sarvatt> clearly complaining about it in ubuntu+1 every day is how to get it fixed :D
[19:53] <Sarvatt> oh and #radeon too, they work with xinput
[19:55] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ehehe
[19:57] <YaManicKill> i was installing updates, and lost power, and now my karmic install won't boot. i tried an older kernel, but its not doing it anyways, so its not the kernel. and recovery mode wont do anything.
[19:58] <BUGabundo> YaManicKill: livecd/usb, chroot inside and $ dpkg --configure -a
[19:58] <Sarvatt> try booting a livecd, chroot into your old partition and dpkg-reconfigure -a
[19:58] <BUGabundo> oh and fsck before, of course
[19:58] <Sarvatt> what he said :D
[19:58] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ahahahahahahahaahah
[19:58] <DanaG> dpkg --configure -a
[19:58] <DanaG> not reconfigure.
[19:59] <BUGabundo> my way or the hi way!
[19:59] <YaManicKill> ok, i've downloaded the live cd...cause i was sure i could do something with that
[19:59] <YaManicKill> but how do i chroot into it?
[19:59] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I've done a few --reconfigures too!
[19:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, you'll need to mount -o bind /sys /media/karmic-root/sys
[19:59] <BUGabundo> it just takes me like 4h to finishs IF I get no errors
[19:59] <DanaG> or wherever it's mounted.
[19:59] <DanaG> same for /proc and /dev.
[20:00] <BUGabundo> YaManicKill: $ mkdir /tmp/disk; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/disk ; sudo chroot /tmp/disk
[20:00] <YaManicKill> ok...lemme load up the disk
[20:00] <BUGabundo> DanaG: what for? / should be enough
[20:00] <YaManicKill> 2 secs while i get unetbootin running
[20:01] <BUGabundo> err
[20:01] <BUGabundo> unet??? why?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> now livecd/usb at hand ?
[20:02] <DanaG> binding the things makes it a more complete chrooted environment.
[20:02] <BUGabundo> naaa
[20:02] <YaManicKill> wait...yeah...i do have a live usb...but for some reason i was assuming i'd have to use a 64-bit version. would i? if the installed version was 64-bit?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> he just needs and fsck
[20:02] <BUGabundo> should do it
[20:03] <BUGabundo> YaManicKill: you can't cross chroot
[20:03] <BUGabundo> either go 64 on 64 or 32 on 32
[20:03] <YaManicKill> ok...so i do need to load up unet then
[20:03] <BUGabundo> or it won't work, and will spill the worse error I've ever seen
[20:03] <DanaG> Not quite right... you can chroot from 64 CD into 32, but not vice versa.
[20:03] <BUGabundo> YaManicKill: usb-creator ???
[20:03] <BUGabundo> its faster
[20:03] <YaManicKill> really?
[20:03] <BUGabundo> DanaG: it has failed me before
[20:03] <YaManicKill> is it in 9.04?
[20:04] <DanaG> "Exec format error."
[20:04] <DanaG> That's what you get if you try to go 32 -> 64.
[20:07] <BUGabundo> YaManicKill: yes
[20:09] <YaManicKill> tis going onto the stick now
[20:10] <YaManicKill> and then when i am chrooted into it, i can just finish the updates, ye?
[20:10] <BUGabundo> maybe
[20:10] <BUGabundo> you may need some hand work to get networking up
[20:10] <DanaG> that's what the "bind" stuff is for.
[20:10] <BUGabundo> ehheh
[20:10] <DanaG> and you'd copy /etc/resolv.conf to /mnt/whatever/etc/
[20:11] <DanaG> where /mnt/whatever is wherever you mounted the target.
[20:11] <YaManicKill> so, would it be easiest to do what DanaG said?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> depends
[20:11] <YaManicKill> on...
[20:11] <BUGabundo> I believe your prob is disk corruption
[20:12] <BUGabundo> and _maybe_ package incomplete
[20:12] <BUGabundo> with fsck you should be able to reboot into recovery console and choose to fix packages from the recovery menu
[20:12] <BUGabundo> and then reboot to your regular user and install the rest
[20:13] <BUGabundo> no need to do it all over chroot
[20:13] <YaManicKill> ok...so i should chroot into my install, do an fsck, and then reboot into recovery to install the rest of the packages?
[20:13] <YaManicKill> which would mean i wouldn
[20:14] <YaManicKill> s/wouldn/wouldn't/ need to worry about internet connection?
[20:14] <DanaG> Actually, perhaps chroot and then do the dpkg --configure -a
[20:14] <DanaG> and then go do the recovery thing.
[20:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now I remember partly what the bind was for: I seem to remember initramfs-tools, or something, needing it.
[20:15] <YaManicKill> man alive...
[20:16] <BUGabundo> no no no
[20:16] <BUGabundo> you do fsck before chroot...
[20:16] <BUGabundo> YaManicKill: can't you do fsck from the recovery console?
[20:16] <BUGabundo> doesn't that even boot?
[20:16] <YaManicKill> BUGabundo: ok...so i just fsck the disk (should i do /home as well)
[20:16] <YaManicKill> recovery won't boot
[20:17] <BUGabundo> ohh
[20:17] <BUGabundo> yeah fsck the all disk
[20:17] <BUGabundo> from livecd/usb without mounting anything
[20:17] <BUGabundo> $ fsck.ext3 -vFd /dev/sda1
[20:17] <YaManicKill> and then try and boot into recovery?
[20:17] <BUGabundo> where sda1 is your partitions
[20:18] <YaManicKill> what are v F and d?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> F forces
[20:18] <BUGabundo> d optimizes dirs
[20:18] <DanaG> you may have to unmount them manually, first.
[20:18] <BUGabundo> oops
[20:18] <DanaG> livecd auto-mounts by default.
[20:18] <BUGabundo> its D
[20:18] <BUGabundo> not d
[20:19] <BUGabundo> DanaG: no it doesn't!
[20:19] <YaManicKill> DanaG: no it doesnt...
[20:19] <BUGabundo> dinner. bbl
[20:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah... perhaps it just shows volumes on the desktop, and mounts them when you go to open them.
[20:21] <YaManicKill> lol :P
[20:22] <DanaG> weird... quodlibet tray icon has a solid black background.
[20:27] <schristie> how do you change the login screen in karmic? the normal config apps seem to be missing
[20:28] <schristie> is there any way to reinstall them?
[20:30] <schristie> penguin42, is it possible to install the rest of the config apps that used to be in jaunty? like the login screen manager?
[20:31] <penguin42> I hadn't noticed it missing - let me have a look
[20:31] <reto`> yeah it's missing... but I don't know how to install it...
[20:31] <schristie> hmmm
[20:32] <penguin42> hmm your right - it's gone walkies
[20:33] <schristie> is that just a temporary oversight, or on purpose?
[20:33] <YaManicKill> wonder when that happened
[20:33] <reto`> someone said it's on purpose when I asked... will be added later again
[20:33] <YaManicKill> i wonder why on earth they would do that...
[20:33] <yofel> schristie: there is not gdmsetup for the new gdm (yet)
[20:33]  * penguin42 could swear that last week there was the new gnome settings window with all the setting s on
[20:34] <schristie> yofel: I don't think so. Is it supposed to have it's own package? or be included?
[20:36] <schristie> nvm, for some reason I thought that was a question
[20:37] <schristie> so is there any other way to change the login screen?
[20:37] <schristie> I'd prefer the normal jaunty screen to what I currently am getting
[20:37]  * penguin42 suspects you would have to fiddle with /etc/gdm/something
[20:38] <DanaG> If you want to change the theme, and such, at the login screen, go back to the login screen... and then switch to text console (ctrl-alt-F1) to run the following command; then switch back with ctrl-alt-f7 or f9:
[20:38] <DanaG> DISPLAY=:0 sudo -u gdm xterm
[20:38] <DanaG> that'll open an xterm... where you can run gnome-appearance-properties and gconf-editor.
[20:40] <penguin42> DanaG: Is that because it's actually running a session now?
[20:40] <DanaG> Yeah.  It is its own user with its own gnome-session.
[20:42] <penguin42> yeh it makes sense - there does need to be a way to frig with all it's session settings e.g. screen settings etc as well
[20:43] <schristie> DanaG, why can't I just run gconf-editor at a normal terminal?
[20:43] <schristie> and supposing I do run it, how do I change the login screen ;)
[20:44] <penguin42> schristie: Because the login screen now runs with it's own session - so you need to change it's setting snot yours
[20:44] <DanaG> And gconf-editor won't work if that user is not active.
[20:44] <schristie> ok
[20:44] <DanaG> Gets failure to connect to gconf daemon, or something.
[20:45] <schristie> so, supposing I run gconf-editor during the login screen session, how would I change the screen back to jaunty's?
[20:45] <penguin42> DanaG: Is it actually a normal user? Can you start another session in the way you do for doing sabayon editing?
[20:45] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm not sure.  By default, gdm's shell is /bin/false
[20:45] <DanaG> or /bin/true
[20:45] <DanaG> I don't remember which.
[20:46] <penguin42> false
[20:46] <penguin42> erk sabayon-admin's is actually bash
[20:49] <schristie> I thought I had jaunty's login screen the first time I booted, but since then it's been something simpler
[20:50] <schristie> maybe it got upgraded away ;)
[20:51] <penguin42> I do like the new login screen - I like the brown rays background - it didn't seem to react to hitting return to select my user though today
[20:51] <DanaG> oh yeah, and you can change the wallpaper, too.
[20:52] <schristie> penguin42, I don't think I have the same one you have
[20:53] <penguin42> It feels like it's the same one that's in Fedora?
[20:54] <schristie> dontzap doesn't seem to be working for me
[20:54] <schristie> I wouldn't know, I haven't seen fedoras login page
[20:54] <DanaG> Yup, it's the same GDM.
[20:55] <DanaG> They just have a different default theme.
[20:55] <schristie> is it possible to reenable Ctrl-Alt-Backspace for karmic?
[20:55] <DanaG> It's under keyboard-preferences, oddly enough.
[20:55] <DanaG> It's become a "keyboard layout option"
[20:55] <penguin42> yeh - I just filed a gnome bug for the fact that cursor flashing in entry boxes is under there
[20:56] <schristie> thanks
[20:57] <slow_> did anyone else lose the ability to set emblems in nautilus?
[21:00] <billybigrigger> afternoon all
[21:00] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[21:00] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ola
[21:00] <yofel> hi billybigrigger
[21:01] <BUGabundo> olá
[21:01] <BUGabundo> now try to do that on your keyboard aaha
[21:01] <billybigrigger> :P
[21:01] <billybigrigger> if i knew the ascii character i could :P
[21:03] <BUGabundo> I just press one key
[21:04] <reto`> ç
[21:04] <BUGabundo> €ł¶ŧ←↓→øø
[21:04] <SKB2> ąčęįėęėį
[21:04] <BUGabundo> æßðđŋħjĸł
[21:04] <BUGabundo> «»¢“”nµ
[21:05] <yofel> are you guys in a non-ascii hype? =þ
[21:06] <itswhatev> unicode :O
[21:06] <BUGabundo> alt+gr
[21:07] <hggdh> ce çaudade matace, morto já esteria
[21:08] <BUGabundo> hggdh: saudade!!
[21:08] <BUGabundo> and Mata-se
[21:08] <BUGabundo> or better
[21:08] <BUGabundo> matasse
[21:08] <hggdh> :-) saw that pearl in a fisherman's boat, long time ago. This was the *best* example of badly-written Portuguese I have ever been able to find
[21:09] <hggdh> and it is not 'ce', but 'se'
[21:10] <BUGabundo> eheheheh
[21:11] <hggdh> took me a while to understand what was written...
[21:11] <BUGabundo> eheheheheheh
[21:14] <DanaG> ↙←↖↑↗→↘↓↙
[21:14] <DanaG> £€€T.
[21:14] <DanaG> U.S. International (AltGr Deadkeys).
[21:25] <DanaG> !find compass
[21:26] <DanaG> ah, xscreensaver-data-extra.
[22:01] <schristie> do any of you know if karmic will get updated poulsbo graphics drivers?
[22:01] <schristie> or at least the same ones available from ubuntu-mobile for jaunty?
[22:34] <reto`> hmm... my display is dimmed out even when I set adjust the power settings not to put it to sleep... is there another place to set it?
[22:36] <yofel> reto`: the default screensaver is a black screen
[22:43] <scaine> reto' there's some settings in gconf-editor worth checking out (apps/gnome-power)
[22:54] <reto`> yofel: oh yes... it was the screensaver :) thanks
[23:00] <BUGabundo> finally got VLC to work ok with PulseAudio