[12:35] <vidd> got an issue....my gxine plays movies, but the picture is all out of wack....any idea what might cause it?
[12:36] <vidd> the only real difference between this box and others is that it has an intel 64 bit processor
[12:36] <vidd> could that be the cause?
[12:37] <vidd> !launchpad
[12:37] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[02:41] <aboyousif> checking for GNOME... no
[02:41] <aboyousif> configure: error: unable to find the GNOME libraries
[02:41] <aboyousif>
[02:41] <aboyousif> what libraries should i have ?
[02:47] <Pumpernickel> The development libraries for the package's dependencies.
[03:03] <W8TAH> hi folks -- the website i am on wants the following plugin application x-mplayer2 to play a video stream -- i cant seem to find x-mplayer2 in synaptic -- is there an appropriate replacement?
[03:05] <administrador> alguien habla espaol?
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> mozilla-mplayer or mozilla-plugin-clx should work.
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> !es
[03:05] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:05] <W8TAH> thanks
[03:06] <administrador> Pumpernickel:  thank you very much, that was so kind of you
[03:06] <Pumpernickel> err, mozilla-plugin-vlc
[03:06] <W8TAH> cool
[03:08] <aroo> Is there some sort of "commit" command that I have to use for my laptop to honor ndiswrapper settings after reboot? My wireless card is working perfectly but I have to manually modprobe after each reboot
[03:08] <aroo> Nevermind!
[03:43] <pkundu> hi I want to change the font size and color of the console I get by pressing Ctl+Alt+F1-F6. How can I do it?
[03:46] <vidd> pkundu, i dont think you can....
[03:54] <GrueTamer> pkundu: some config file somewhere controls that
[03:54] <GrueTamer> ill try find it
[04:06] <limbert65> Good evening.  Any quick tips as to stopping the screen saver from kicking in when watching a DVD with gXine?
[04:15] <pkundu> thnx GrueTamer
[04:15] <pkundu> I am looking for TUI like one we get in Open SuSe or knoppix
[04:15] <GrueTamer> i still havent found the file that controls them yet
[04:17] <pkundu> yes me too...........thought os changing PS1 in /etc/bash.bashrc
[04:17] <pkundu> but it only changes the prompt
[04:23] <limbert65> Found it.  Editing ~/.gxine/config, gui.windowedmode_unblank:1 (think that only works in windowed mode, not full screen, but that's better than nothing)
[05:20] <cellofellow> hi
[08:46] <jiaaj> is it strange that xubuntu runs really slowly on my macbook pro?
[08:47] <TheSheep> jiaaj: what is slow?
[08:47] <jiaaj> the whole system in general
[08:48] <maxamillion> jiaaj: yes, its very strange ... i installed xubuntu on my old iBook G4 and it was noticably faster then OS X
[08:49] <jiaaj> would there be any way for me to tell you anything that would help you help me speed it up?
[08:49] <jiaaj> did that make any sense at all?  haha
[08:51] <maxamillion> jiaaj: check the process manager (located in applications->system) and see what is eating your resources
[08:52] <jiaaj> ok this would require rebooting my computer and who does that anymore anyway haha
[08:53] <jiaaj> i don't even know why im in here, i don't particularly need linux for anything at the moment
[08:56] <maxamillion> uhmm... ok
[09:25] <shiftplusone_> Hey, how would I edit the 'system' menu?
[09:27] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: use the menu editor ... i think its in applications->settings
[09:28] <shiftplusone_> yeah but there are a few enties: settings, 'system', about and quit..... how would I edit the system one?
[09:29] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: uhmm... don't know, but that's strange
[09:30] <shiftplusone_> my whole thing might be different because I installed a command-line version of ubuntu then just installed xfce4.... so that might not be exactly xubuntu....
[09:31] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: ah, yes ... your setup is _very_ different
[09:31] <shiftplusone_> aren't the entries stored somewhere as .desktop files?
[09:31] <maxamillion> xfce4 is just core xfce4, xubuntu is customized quite a bit
[09:31] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: i think they are .xml files in ~/.config/xfce4/ somewhere
[09:32] <shiftplusone_> no, I mean the system entries, not the xfce specific ones....
[09:33] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: system is part of the xfce menu
[09:33] <shiftplusone_> I remember I had to make a .desktop file somewhere to add an entry.... was just wondering if anyone knows what I am talking about.
[09:34] <shiftplusone_> well... there's 1 xml file with 1 entry.
[09:34] <shiftplusone_> suppose that's a sart
[09:34] <shiftplusone_> actually it's a .menu... but it's in xml format.
[09:35] <maxamillion> ah, ok
[09:35] <maxamillion> my mistake
[09:36] <shiftplusone_> does the xubuntu-desktop package install much junk that will never be needed?
[09:36] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: only thing it installs that i don't use is thunderbird
[09:36] <shiftplusone_> what about gnome and kde libs?
[09:36] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: well ... that and xfburn but that's because i use wodim to burn cds
[09:37] <maxamillion> shiftplusone_: i think a couple gnome-libs for automated tasks
[09:37] <shiftplusone_> ah... I found what I was talking about... /usr/share/applications/
[09:38] <shiftplusone_> maxamillion, well.... thanks, I'll be off.
[09:38] <shiftplusone_> 'night
[11:53] <PsyKid> anyone willing to help please ?
[11:58] <TheSheep> !ask | PsyKid
[11:58] <ubotu> PsyKid: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:58] <PsyKid> i`m trying to install xubuntu with WUBI
[11:58] <PsyKid> but when it loads
[11:58] <PsyKid> it says : unable to mount /sys , and lather then : unable to unmount /dev/sda1 , for the process to complete
[12:00] <logmein> I have a computer with radeon 9600 graphics card and when I load up xubuntu I can't get any picture no matter what
[12:00] <logmein> I think it might be the monitor perhaps
[12:00] <TheSheep> logmein: try alt+ctrl+f1
[12:01] <TheSheep> PsyKid: what's wubi?
[12:01] <PsyKid> Wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users that will bring you into the Linux world with a few clicks. Wubi allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu as any other application.
[12:01] <logmein> TheSheep: I tried that and it won't work...
[12:01] <TheSheep> logmein: do you have another graphics card in that computer?
[12:06] <logmein> woah it loaded right
[12:06] <logmein> maybe I had it in wrong sort of cd drive =)
[12:07] <logmein> always annoys me when computers have more than one
[12:07] <logmein> TheSheep: going to go try it out thx
[12:22] <logmein> what is # for drwxr-xr-x?
[12:22] <logmein> nvm I found this http://wsabstract.com/script/script2/chmodcal.shtml
[12:37] <Curley_Sue> hi all. has anyone good experience on using xubuntu on a laptop where power management is needed (like suspend 2 RAM and hibernation)? which program takes care of that?
[01:17] <Curley_Sue> hi all. has anyone good experience on using xubuntu on a laptop where power management is needed (like suspend 2 RAM and hibernation)? which program takes care of that?
[01:21] <dom> i would suggest to try it with the live-cd because it really depends on your hardware
[01:27] <skeff> hi there! I remember trying both i386 and amd64 flavours of Ubuntu on my Athlon 64 3400+ machine. I experienced that the amd64 version was MUCH faster in things like rendering 2d graphics, which is the most noticable thing.  Now I run i386 Ubuntu Feisty on an old laptop (with no 64bit cpu) and this OS feels very slow too.  Shouldn't Ubuntu be as responsive as Windows on the same hardware? Shouldn't Xubuntu have something like a i686 flavour, if that would
[01:27] <skeff> speed up the experience?
[01:29] <Curley_Sue> dom was that for my question? which program handles the suspend... in regular ubuntu installation it's gnome-power-manager but i guess that's gnome based...
[02:04] <logmein> hmm there is this computer that uses wireless and I'm installing xubuntu on it
[02:04] <logmein> but I need the dependencies to compile ndiswrapper
[02:04] <logmein> I could copy all them over on usb having to search endlessly
[02:04] <logmein> or hows about I connect my wireless laptop running xubuntu into the other computer temporarily
[02:05] <logmein> how would I route that though?
[02:09] <kalikiana> logmein, Why would you need to search endlessly? Just look at the dependencies and if you're lucky you already have them on another machine, ready to copy.
[02:09] <logmein> I have to compile ndiswrapper so I need all sorts of stuff
[02:10] <logmein> besides ipw3945d wireless card on other box isn't a ndiswrapper type so I could put it in correct modes, I've always wanted to use it as a wireless bridge
[02:10] <TheSheep> logmein: just add apropriate routes with 'ip r'
[02:10] <logmein> ipr?
[02:12] <TheSheep> man ip
[02:17] <logmein> all I need to know is how to connect eth0 to eth1 :/
[02:18] <TheSheep> logmein: by setting routing between them
[02:18] <logmein> nothing easy like ifup eth0 > ifup eth1?
[02:19] <logmein> ..that was a joke, I know that won't work...
[02:19] <TheSheep> argh
[02:20] <logmein> blarrghh
[02:22] <logmein> I also have this same problem posted here: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/27861-cant-use-eth0-eth1-same-time.html
[02:22] <logmein> at least I think I have that..
[02:22] <TheSheep> logmein: I can try to walk you through it
[02:22] <logmein> I can't have eth0 and eth1 up at same time..
[02:23] <TheSheep> logmein: why not?
[02:23] <logmein> like if I pull ethernet cord out it doesn't switch to wireless
[02:23] <logmein> unless I go in and disable both then mark wireless under network
[02:23] <logmein> I think that is normal
[02:24] <logmein> but what were you going to say?
[02:24] <TheSheep> logmein: you have wireless on it, right?
[02:24] <logmein> yep
[02:24] <TheSheep> logmein: can you enable wired at the same time?
[02:24] <TheSheep> it doesn't matter if it has net or not, only if the interface is up
[02:25] <logmein> I don't really know.. how would I like use both and know I am
[02:25] <logmein> ifconfig shows both there
[02:25] <logmein> lets just assume I do
[02:25] <TheSheep> ok, you have crossed ethernet cable?
[02:25] <logmein> check
[02:25] <TheSheep> connect the two computers
[02:26] <logmein> done
[02:26] <TheSheep> now, on the one that has wireless, configure a static ip number on the wired interface, say <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:26] <TheSheep> with net mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:27] <TheSheep> 192
[02:27] <TheSheep> sorry
[02:27] <TheSheep> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:27] <TheSheep> unless the wireless uses an ip from that range
[02:27] <TheSheep> then use
[02:28] <TheSheep> <IP_ADDRESS> or something
[02:28] <TheSheep> logmein: got it?
[02:29] <TheSheep> ping?
[02:30] <logmein> checking
[02:30] <logmein> had to get power cord plugged in too, didn't want it runny out of battery
[02:31] <logmein> running I mean
[02:31] <logmein> ok got that setup
[02:31] <logmein> what next?
[02:32] <TheSheep> open a terminal, and do:
[02:32] <TheSheep> ah, sorry
[02:32] <TheSheep> what is the address you used?
[02:34] <logmein> for which one?
[02:34] <logmein> <IP_ADDRESS> = laptop, <IP_ADDRESS> = desktop
[02:34] <logmein> what do I set for the laptops default gateway?
[02:34] <logmein> I left it blank
[02:35] <TheSheep> logmein: and what is the ip address you got for the wireless?
[02:35] <logmein> <IP_ADDRESS> I think
[02:35] <TheSheep> logmein: what netmask?
[02:35] <logmein> <IP_ADDRESS> and gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:35] <TheSheep> ok
[02:36] <TheSheep> laptop is the machine with wireless, right?
[02:36] <logmein> yep
[02:36] <logmein> else I'd plug it directly into router
[02:36] <TheSheep> ok, for the desktop, set the gateway to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:36] <logmein> done
[02:36] <TheSheep> ok, that's all on this end, now for the laptop
[02:37] <TheSheep> logmein: can you pastebin the result of the 'route' command?
[02:37] <TheSheep> logmein: or 'ip route'
[02:37] <logmein> ok
[02:37] <TheSheep> on the laptop, of course
[02:41] <logmein> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25955/
[02:42] <TheSheep> funny, you have two networks on eth1 :)
[02:42] <TheSheep> nevermnd
[02:42] <logmein> I do..?
[02:43] <TheSheep> logmein: I just found this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/net/ipmasq
[02:44] <logmein> so do I use that?
[02:44] <TheSheep> logmein: we will try to go raw first
[02:44] <TheSheep> logmein: ok, do this:  sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[02:44] <logmein> ok
[02:45] <TheSheep> logmein: now this: echo "1" | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[02:45] <logmein> I'm going to get on laptop and connect in be easier to read
[02:47] <logmein> back
[02:48] <logmein> what after that second command?
[02:49] <TheSheep> logmein: check if you have internet on the desktop :)
[02:50] <logmein> doesn't appear so
[02:50] <TheSheep> logmein: can you do 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' on the desktop?
[02:50] <logmein> yes I can
[02:51] <TheSheep> logmein: you have connection?
[02:51] <logmein> and I'm logged in on the wireless talking to you
[02:51] <logmein> is that a problem?
[02:52] <TheSheep> no
[02:52] <TheSheep> logmein: does that ping command show something?
[02:52] <TheSheep> logmein: like  64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.380 ms
[02:52] <logmein> it says 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:52] <logmein> repeatedly
[02:53] <TheSheep> ok, ctrl+c it
[02:53] <logmein> didn't get any output from those two commands you listed
[02:54] <logmein> so assume that's working
[02:54] <TheSheep> logmein: yes
[02:54] <TheSheep> logmein: how about 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' on the desktop?
[02:55] <logmein> that works
[02:55] <logmein> obviously since I'm able to get online heh
[02:55] <TheSheep> on the desktop?
[02:55] <logmein> ohh ok
[02:56] <logmein> yeah that's up so most likely issue with my router not wanting to answer anything not using dhcp
[02:56] <logmein> it does that, don't know why
[02:56] <TheSheep> logmein: ???
[02:57] <logmein> let me see if I can change setting on there
[02:58] <TheSheep> logmein: am I imagining the connections right?   desktop-eth0---crossed-rj45---eth0-laptop-eth1---wireless---Internet
[02:58] <logmein> I use <IP_ADDRESS> for my network scheme
[02:58] <logmein> so shouldn't I use the same for other?
[02:58] <TheSheep> no
[02:58] <logmein> ah wait you want to do <IP_ADDRESS> so probably not matter right
[02:58] <TheSheep> wait, wait, you have access to the router configuration?
[02:58] <logmein> yes you got it right
[02:59] <logmein> yes I do
[02:59] <TheSheep> ok, then we don't need masquerading :)
[02:59] <logmein> that's why I wondered what the heck that was
[02:59] <logmein> but we still might need it...
[02:59] <TheSheep> logmein: that was a trick to make the router see both computers as a single ip
[02:59] <logmein> because I don't know how to configure my router so we don't
[03:00] <TheSheep> logmein: ok, do 'iptables -F' and try that 'iptables blahblahblha MASQUERADE' on the eth0
[03:00] <logmein> already did..
[03:01] <TheSheep> did it work?
[03:01] <logmein> ohh wait I see what you mean
[03:02] <logmein> still nothing on the desktop
[03:02] <TheSheep> logmein: pastebin the: iptables -L   please
[03:03] <TheSheep> (please is not part of the command :) )
[03:04] <logmein> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25961/
[03:05] <test3r> nice we got our own pastebin now
[03:05] <logmein> been having it :P
[03:06] <test3r> nochit?  shows how often i have a pastable question.
[03:08] <TheSheep> logmein: hey, I found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EasyWirelessToWiredConnectionSharing
[03:09] <test3r> can u use a proxy for that, sheep?
[03:09] <logmein> ooh that looks nice
[03:09] <TheSheep> test3r: yes, that would be a solution too
[03:09] <test3r> like, a private internal proxy that would cache the wifis requs?
[03:09] <test3r> OK, yeah, just checking   =D
[03:10] <TheSheep> test3r: but installing squid just for this would be a little overkill imho
[03:10] <TheSheep> logmein: I think you can skip the dhcp
[03:10] <test3r> for one person- perhaps.  if he would enable others net access it might b worth the time
[03:10] <TheSheep> logmein: and you don't need the hub if you have a crossed cable
[03:10] <TheSheep> test3r: but proxy would only forward http
[03:11] <test3r> there is no way to have it do any type of files?
[03:11] <test3r> like - * request From <IP_ADDRESS>  = cache & send ?
[03:12] <test3r> hak it 2 do that    =D
[03:12] <test3r> lol.
[03:12] <TheSheep> test3r: files?
[03:12] <test3r> right.  like any traffix req from [ IP ]  = cache&forward
[03:12] <test3r> isnt that like a tokn network?
[03:12] <test3r> neway?
[03:13] <TheSheep> test3r: I believe I don't fully comprehend your tongue, sir
[03:13] <test3r> a Token network setup?
[03:13] <test3r> where all comp all get all data it is just passed on
[03:13] <test3r> ?
[03:13] <TheSheep> that's not how token ring switching works >_<
[03:14] <test3r> well it works with a ID # too f course
[03:14] <test3r> then puter knows which pax it wants
[03:15] <test3r> then when it gets pack thats not for its own ID #
[03:15] <test3r> it says "NO, U" and passes it
[03:16] <TheSheep> test3r: we are trying to set up masquerade, which is a kind of NAT switching -- that is, the packets form the desktop get re-labelled and forwarded as packets from the laptop, and any traffic sent in response to it is sent back to the desktop
[03:16] <TheSheep> test3r: you are confusing at least 3 different layers of network
[03:16] <test3r> yeah id like to do that too
[03:16] <test3r> but i though that was wi/ MAC addy?
[03:16] <TheSheep> test3r: what you described here is the ethernet layer
[03:16] <logmein> computer to computer is not with mac addresses, that is switches
[03:17] <TheSheep> test3r: we are switchig in the IP layer
[03:17] <test3r> ooooooo
[03:17] <TheSheep> logmein: well, it's always in all 7 layers :)
[03:18] <test3r> not Every ethernet type
[03:18] <test3r> it is a token ring style ethernet / LAN setup
[03:18] <test3r> prob with null modems
[03:18] <test3r> it is more than likely not used at all any more
[03:18] <test3r> now we have routers.
[03:18] <TheSheep> test3r: google for ISO-OSI :)
[03:19] <logmein> I'm glad I didn't ask gramps there for help with my lappytop :)
[03:20] <logmein> but then again still no connection
[03:20] <test3r> this "Gramps" came one step away from faking his MAC last night
[03:21] <test3r> with This wifi.
[03:21] <logmein> ah TheSheep think you left out the -s part after POSTROUTING
[03:21] <test3r> it would b done
[03:21] <test3r> if it didnt crach DHCPD
[03:21] <test3r> by some documnted bug. i have a link if your interested.
[03:22] <TheSheep> test3r: no, thanks, I'm not as experienced ;)
[03:22] <test3r> how do i keep src out of our control from crashing?
[03:22] <TheSheep> logmein: the source doesn't matter in this case
[03:22] <TheSheep> logmein: there is even a comment to this effect on the wiki
[03:22] <test3r> you dont - thats how.  =(   luckily - my bud has a dif card 4 me to try.
[03:22] <logmein> oh ok
[03:23] <TheSheep> logmein: we just did it on the wrong interface, I think
[03:23] <TheSheep> or not
[03:23] <logmein> ah crap eth1 is ethernet
[03:23] <TheSheep> no, wait, eth1 is the wifi, right?
[03:23] <TheSheep> haha
[03:23] <logmein> your right... :/
[03:24] <test3r> no
[03:24] <test3r> ath0 is wifi
[03:24] <test3r> or wifi0
[03:24] <logmein> used to working on my brothers laptop his has opposite with eth1 and eth0
[03:24] <test3r> ath0 is the hardware ref.
[03:24] <test3r> if ur refing it from an app
[03:24] <test3r> say
[03:24] <test3r> kismet
[03:24] <test3r> call it wifi0
[03:24] <TheSheep> logmein: you can change it in /etc/iftab ;)
[03:24] <test3r> it will like that
[03:24] <logmein> so I do iptables -F then iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[03:25] <test3r> eth is your ethernet wire port
[03:25] <test3r> your 10/100
[03:26] <logmein> how do I clear iptables?
[03:26] <TheSheep> logmein: iptables -t nat -F
[03:26] <logmein> that stuff in /proc isn't permanent if I reboot right
[03:26] <TheSheep> logmein: none of the things we do is permanent
[03:27] <logmein> ok
[03:27] <TheSheep> logmein: until you do iptables-save
[03:27] <logmein> ok
[03:28] <logmein> and I don't need to do that command?
[03:28] <TheSheep> no
[03:29] <logmein> well I did iptables -t nat -F then did iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[03:30] <logmein> still nothing
[03:30] <logmein> should I try bringing the interfaces down then up?
[03:30] <TheSheep> logmein: shouldn't matter
[03:30] <TheSheep> logmein: what does iptables -t nat -L say?
[03:31] <logmein> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25963/
[03:32] <TheSheep> looks good
[03:33] <TheSheep> logmein: say, what netmask does the desktop have?
[03:34] <logmein> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:34] <logmein> is that bad?
[03:36] <TheSheep> logmein: no, good
[03:36] <TheSheep> logmein: same on laptop?
[03:36] <TheSheep> ah, right, I save the routing table :)
[03:36] <logmein> yep
[03:36] <TheSheep> s/save/saw
[03:37] <logmein> huh?
[03:37] <TheSheep> logmein: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward   shows 1 ?
[03:37] <logmein> yep
[03:37] <logmein> wait is that a 1 or l
[03:37] <TheSheep> 1
[03:37] <logmein> nah kidding its a 1
[03:38] <TheSheep> and on the desktop, you have ping to <IP_ADDRESS> but not to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:50] <logmein> yes that is working
[03:51] <logmein> but pinging <IP_ADDRESS> from desktop doesn't work... think it did before I switched eth1 with eth0
[03:54] <TheSheep> if it did, then you had network
[03:55] <TheSheep> you just need to add a dns and you are set
[03:59] <test3r> can u add a dns server with ifconfig? how does one do that from CLI?
[04:00] <TheSheep> test3r: no, but you can add it by editing /etc/resolv.conf
[04:01] <logmein> hmm
[04:01] <test3r> aaaaaaa....  Noted.
[04:02] <logmein> yep its working thx
[04:02] <TheSheep> whew
[04:02] <test3r> lol thats all he says    =D
[04:03] <test3r> at least he added the abreviated "thx"
[04:03] <test3r> ;p
[04:03] <TheSheep> test3r: what would you expect? a cake?
[04:03] <test3r> a party!
[04:03] <test3r> boogie down?   =)
[04:03] <TheSheep> especially political ones
[04:04] <test3r> oh come now everyone likes parties - its dumb people that dont like us we dont like
[04:04] <test3r> heh
[04:04] <TheSheep> test3r: you are bored, arn't you?
[04:04] <test3r> at every party theres always the person that dont wana talk to u.
[04:04] <test3r> i just got offa work.
[04:04] <test3r> im windig down. havin a beer etc
[04:04] <TheSheep> online?
[04:05] <test3r> yeah.   =O  =x   its 10AM where im at - EST
[04:05] <test3r> nobodys up. its sun morning.
[04:05] <TheSheep> beer at 10am >_<
[04:05] <test3r> i cant even buy liquer
[04:05] <test3r> in my state
[04:05] <test3r> yes i worked graveyard i woke up at 11PM
[04:06] <test3r> u expect me to Not have a beer?
[04:06] <test3r> i could b in a place giving a guy money for him telling me tings i can already feel inside
[04:06] <TheSheep> whatever
[04:06] <test3r> =)
[04:06] <test3r> but instead im actually Helping others
[04:06] <test3r> instead of taking their money for no reason
[04:06] <TheSheep> test3r: who?
[04:06] <test3r> so that makes US
[04:07] <test3r> a cut above Them
[04:07] <test3r> c     XD
[04:07] <test3r> well - the guy would be whatever religion u see fit that "passes the collection plate"
[04:08] <test3r> im not sure how many there r nor do i rly care
[04:08] <test3r> religion aint my bag, baby.
[04:09] <test3r> ur kids might actualy Learn something being around me instead of - well - im not going there
[04:09] <TheSheep> test3r: I meant: who are you helping? :)
[04:09] <test3r> well i wanted to help Someone - but u helped that Guy. and thats all there was
[04:09] <TheSheep> sorry about that
[04:09] <TheSheep> test3r: the next one is yours
[04:09] <test3r> s'OK.  i didnt know what he was on about neway
[04:09] <test3r> lol
[04:09] <test3r> get a router  ;p
[04:10] <test3r>
[04:10] <test3r> u can get a wired router for prob $10 now
[04:10] <test3r> my old leet netgear is prob worth only $10    =(
[04:11] <test3r> hey - i have the opportunity to test a 3COM wifi card
[04:11] <test3r> to see if i an do with it what we want to do-  have u heard anything about success/horror with those?
[04:12] <test3r> when i googled "macchanger 3com"  there were no Red Flags, so I can only assume it will go smooth
[04:15] <test3r> do you what id have to do to get that up when i boot with it?
[04:16] <test3r> should i just boot with it, goto synaptic, and search '3com' ?
[04:17] <TheSheep> it should work out of the box
[04:17] <TheSheep> !wifi | test3r
[04:17] <ubotu> test3r: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:17] <TheSheep> test3r: unless you need some windows drivers, then it's some fun
[04:18] <test3r> =(((    so i might b better off with my madwifi  drivers card even though it cant do Everything I want - maybe?
[04:19] <TheSheep> no idea
[04:20] <TheSheep> test3r: but you are lucky -- you can test it
[04:20] <test3r> omg
[04:20] <test3r> i hope he has prism64
[04:20] <test3r> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards3com
[04:20] <test3r> heard good tings, man. runs tings.
[04:20] <test3r> ^ ^
[04:21] <TheSheep> ting = a meeting of vikings
[04:21] <test3r> nooooooooooooo it says its broke in feisty id b skrewd
[04:22] <test3r> there is also 3com it says that uses the same bleepin driver
[04:22] <test3r> madwifi
[04:22] <test3r> which would do me no good - a bug in it takes out DHCPd when i do what im trying to do
[04:23] <test3r> with dhcp down i dont know what to do from there
[04:23] <test3r> it makes its changes but then can never connect anything because it cant eve r  resolv it reads
[04:24] <test3r> the lights on the modem themself blink as connected, but there is no net that i can get at that poind
[04:24] <test3r> point
[04:26] <TheSheep> test3r: can't you use static ip?
[04:26] <test3r> its not that big a deal - rly. nobody in their right mind configures a network wht MAC adddy access control anymore
[04:26] <test3r> no im trying to spoof my MAC   ^ ^
[04:26] <test3r> =)
[04:27] <test3r> thats wat 'macchanger' does.
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> test3r, why not??
[04:27] <TheSheep> yes, but why you need dhcp for that?
[04:27] <test3r> but unfortunately, there is a documented bug with it all
[04:27] <test3r> well
[04:27] <test3r> to connect afterword sheep
[04:27] <test3r> a changed mac addy does me no good if i cant resolv w/a host
[04:28] <test3r> and ur using madwifi as your driver?
[04:28] <test3r> wat is ur chipset?
[04:28] <TheSheep> test3r: you can specify dns manually
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> test3r, i use MAC filtering on my home network....
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> in combination with wep
[04:29] <test3r> yes i set myself to <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:29] <test3r> just to do it
[04:29] <test3r> but didnt work
[04:29] <test3r> it set it
[04:30] <test3r> but it was a broadcast ip i thini it said? i wasnt on a network.
[04:30] <test3r> =D
[04:30] <test3r> did i have to set the essid first?
[04:30] <test3r> hey - this is my first distro
[04:30] <test3r> =)
[04:31] <test3r> i think im doin pretty good here, mmm?
[04:31] <test3r> so wats is it i missed?  msg me plz! ima have a smoke quik
[04:34] <swhalen> Hello
[04:34] <swhalen> im trying to use the live cd on an oold comp
[04:35] <swhalen> but the top and bottom pannels crash
[04:35] <swhalen> any help?
[04:35] <Toshibi> Morning
[04:35] <swhalen> hello
[04:36] <swhalen> have you ever heard of the xface pannels crashing
[04:36] <Toshibi> Not familiar with that problem
[04:36] <Toshibi> What's going on?
[04:37] <Toshibi> Have you checked Launchpad?
[04:37] <Toshibi> Which version are you running?
[04:38] <swhalen> when it boots with the live cd...there are no pannels...after x loads i see to black bars at top and bottom then a desktop with no pannels
[04:38] <Toshibi> Hold on a sec...
[04:38] <swhalen> this cd works fine on other mechines
[04:38] <Toshibi> Have you attempted right clicking on the desktop and going into the Settings?
[04:41] <swhalen> i only see desktop settings
[04:41] <Toshibi> User Interfae Settings?
[04:42] <swhalen> nope
[04:42] <Toshibi> Hmmm
[04:42] <swhalen> just create folder launcher and desktop settings
[04:44] <Toshibi> I'm checking some stuff
[04:44] <Toshibi> Does this happen every time? This is from the LiveCD that it happens, right?
[04:45] <swhalen> yes on the live cd...but only on this comp
[04:47] <Toshibi> What sort of Video Card are you using in this machine?
[04:48] <swhalen> ATI Radeon 7500 lol new card in old box..im installing this for a friend
[04:49] <Toshibi> In the Settings sub-heading on the XFCE Menu, do you see Settings Manager?
[04:49] <swhalen> i have no xface menu
[04:49] <Toshibi> Oh
[04:49] <swhalen> thats the main issue
[04:50] <Toshibi> Not even on right click on the desktop backgroud?
[04:50] <swhalen> no pannels on top or buttom
[04:50] <Toshibi> Right....
[04:50] <swhalen> just desktop settings
[04:50] <Toshibi> 7.04?
[04:50] <swhalen> yes
[04:53] <swhalen> i may just try an install and do alt-F2 and apt-get upgrade
[04:54] <Toshibi> Or, you can alt F2 and type in xfce4-panel
[04:56] <Toshibi> alt F2 -> xfce4-panel &
[04:58] <Toshibi> Let me know if that worked so I can put it in my bag o' tricks
[04:58] <swhalen> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:58] <swhalen> it loaded...but no pannels
[04:58] <Toshibi> try killall xfce4-panel
[05:00] <swhalen> no processes killed
[05:00] <swhalen> when i run xfce4-pannel is gives be a warning
[05:01] <Toshibi> What does it say?
[05:01] <swhalen> Gtk-WARNING  ** : cannot open display
[05:03] <Toshibi> Hmmm
[05:05] <Toshibi> I'm afraid I'm out of my depth on this question
[05:06] <Toshibi> alt F2 again and type in startx
[05:20] <swhalen> x already started
[05:21] <swhalen> and it couldn't format hda with ext3
[05:21] <Toshibi> Oh, that..
[05:22] <swhalen> but windows can?
[05:22] <Toshibi> if you can get to the XFCE Settings manager then you go to File Manager go to the Advanced Tab and then click on Configure
[05:23] <Toshibi> Then uncheck the first two boxes on that
[05:24] <swhalen> well....im wondering if id have better luck with the alt installcd?
[05:24] <Toshibi> It's attempting to mount the volumes when it's also attempting to format them
[05:24] <Toshibi> You may
[05:30] <Howdy125> If I double the size of my swap partition will Linux actually use the full amount if needed ?
[05:33] <Howdy125> Reason I ask is because I only have 128 megs of ram and a 374 meg swap and some very large web pages seem to send my computer into a rampage trying to make room for the data .. :(
[05:49] <kalikiana> Howdy125, Linux will use the full swap if needed. But it's slower than RAM ;)
[05:51] <elbing> why firefox don't open my home page and try open "www.u%.com"?
[05:53] <kalikiana> elbing, Maybe firefox is opening your last session?
[05:54] <elbing> ah
[05:55] <elbing> it's not the problem, the problem is starter (gdesklet), it says firefox %u as rest of launchers xD
[05:55] <elbing> ok ok
[05:55] <elbing> thanks kalikiana
[05:55] <kalikiana> Ah. ok :)
[06:06] <assasukasse> hi everyone
[06:06] <assasukasse> i have a problem with a pc
[06:06] <assasukasse> the sound card doesn't work
[06:06] <assasukasse> how can i fix it?
[06:08] <vidd_laptop> assasukasse, when you say it doesnt work....have you made sure that the driver is installed?
[06:08] <vidd_laptop> and that there is not an application using it already/
[06:09] <assasukasse> vidd_laptop: how do i check the driver is there
[06:09] <assasukasse> nothing is using already
[06:10] <vidd_laptop> what does lspci say your sound card is?
[06:21] <Merchelo> is there a way in which i can interact with the menu, without using a mouse?
[06:24] <kalikiana> Merchelo, With the arrow and return keys I suppose.
[06:24] <kalikiana> Merchelo, And maybe 'xfdesktop --menu' is helpful.
[06:25] <Merchelo> nah, it's ctrl+esc to get the menu up, and then navigate it with the arrow keys
[06:53] <test3r> i nominate we change our oficial start sound to Def Leppard sample
[06:53] <test3r> ;D
[06:54] <test3r> can some1 get that Cleared for us? thx.
[06:54] <test3r> u know jus clear up dat copywrite etc
[06:56] <test3r> Actually - truthfully - their drummer is my Hero. he has one arm - and hacked himself a kit
[06:56] <test3r> Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeespect.
[06:57] <test3r> np> defr leppard - gods of war
[06:57] <test3r> lol - it more def than the def leppard - TYPO. sry.
[07:06] <test3r> hey there is samples on the end of this trak
[07:06] <test3r> about stooopid things im not going to type
[07:06] <test3r> kus it would b....  dumb.
[07:07] <test3r> kus 'they' can & will read this
[07:07] <test3r> anyway the samples have to do with recent shenanigans with certain offices
[07:07] <test3r> and the rest of the world
[07:07] <test3r> and how they disagree with one dork
[07:08] <test3r> that messed up alot of stuff - possily for his daddy.
[07:08] <test3r> im sure thats all i have to say.
[07:10] <test3r> besides - that drummer sure owns all of us with one arm playin how he does
[07:11] <test3r> ez all     =)
[07:36] <slow-motion> how do i turn it of that every time i insert an audio cd gxine opens?
[08:17] <tromoly> i updated the nvidia drivers on my Xubuntu install yesterday, and it's giving me an error saying that XServer can't start. The output log says "the Nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-9755, but this X module has the version 1.0-9631." I can get to the CLI, but the GUI won't launch. Any ideas?
[08:24] <Eamonn> I have a a bit of a problem starting Xfce, I have the distro installed on my laptop, but I had to remove the HD and install xubuntu in another system as my laptop doesn't have a cd drive
[08:25] <Eamonn> and now it doesn't recognize that I have a screen
[08:26] <Eamonn> If I delete /etc/x11/xorg.conf will it remake it properly?
[08:45] <Eamonn> nvm, got it runnign :)
[09:37] <thrashyy> Hey, I'm installing xubuntu but after entering the initial set up info and starting installation I get: "the ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of ide2 master (hdc) failed xubuntu" Anyone know whats up?
[09:37] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[09:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[09:38] <thrashyy> Thanks a lot
[09:44] <tromoly> try erasing the disc as RAW and installing again, I had the same problem and erasing the disc cured it
[09:50] <godless> You only need to manually unmount the disk(s)
[09:51] <godless> it's a bad bug though; I think everyone I've gotten to install xubuntu since 7.04 has run into it
[09:56] <godless> It should at least be very clearly documented so that new users will see it when downloading the image... I can't imagine how many users have given up on installing xubuntu because of this
[10:02] <vidd_laptop> godless, is that issue only with the live cd?
[10:02] <vidd_laptop> because i've installed like 50 times, and never had that issue
[12:09] <thrashyy> Could someone tell me the command to reboot via shh/putty?


[00:03] <Liver_K> nvm it doesnt
[15:08] <lorn1975> hi can someone help me mount the client onto the server


[01:31] <ratpoison> Hello! anybody know what this http://pastebin.com/m69cc4e49 is? 8.10 amd64 user. Symptoms are: system doesn't shut down properly, nautilus crashes and won't launch and dvds won't mount
[01:48] <JesperHansen> ratpoison: I am thinking "underpowered"
[08:17] <tjaalton> huh, it takes a minute for qla2xxx to initialize on jaunty.. per path
[08:27] <tjaalton> it seems to be trying to run modprobe using the pci id or such
[08:29] <tjaalton> ok, so qla2xxx is still a module..
[10:05] <smb_tp_> I am extremely puzzled by the generic acpi support. The way I understand this is: if a bios supports it the LCD object would have a _BCL method that returns the supported levels.
[10:06] <apw> i believe that to be true from my experience on this bug too
[10:06] <smb_tp_> Now we had those reports that some Thinkpads did not work correctly because the thinkpad_acpi driver backs out since there is generic support. And yes, the brightness proc file contains various levels.
[10:07] <apw> so it must be later thinkpads then, t30 must be too old
[10:07] <apw> what is your thinkpad?
[10:07] <smb_tp_> Now I asked for the dsdt of those but when I look into there, I don't find any _BCL method
[10:07] <apw> hmmm
[10:07] <smb_tp_> mine is a T42p, doesn't have support
[10:07] <apw> so pretty new
[10:07] <smb_tp_> not in laptop world I would say
[10:07] <apw> we have a couple of T6x's around
[10:08]  * smb_tp_ thinks it is at least 3y old
[10:08] <apw> yeah true
[10:10] <smb_tp_> Hm, maybe mjg59, do you know whether I should find a _BCL method in the disassembly of a dsdt when a laptop supports the generic acpi brightness controls?
[10:10] <apw> cking, might know such things too
[10:11] <smb_tp_> yes maybe.
[10:11]  * cking looks at the documentation..
[10:12] <smb_tp_> Actually I just looked at the dsdt of a sony and there it is.
[10:12] <apw> so you are looking for the right thing
[10:13] <cking> This method allows the OS to query a list of brightness level supported by built-in display output devices.
[10:13] <cking> (This method in not allowed for externally connected displays.) This method is required if an integrated
[10:13] <cking> LCD is present and supports brightness levels.
[10:13] <cking> Each brightness level is represented by a number between 0 and 100, and can be thought of as a percentage.
[10:13] <cking> For example, 50 can be 50% power consumption or 50% brightness, as defined by the OEM.
[10:13] <cking> The OEM may define the number 0 as "Zero brightness" that can mean to turn off the lighting (e.g. LCD
[10:13] <cking> panel backlight) in the device. This may be useful in the case of an output device that can still be viewed
[10:13] <cking> using only ambient light, for example, a transflective LCD. If Notify(Output Device, 0x85) for “Zero
[10:13] <cking> brightness” is issued, OSPM may be able to turn off the lighting by calling _BCM(0).
[10:14] <cking> ..so I suspect the answer is "should do"
[10:14] <smb_tp_> Yeah, this far it sound just reasonable
[10:16] <smb_tp_> Just that there are three reports from people with T61, X61s and r61 which can show you acpi brightness support indication but when I look at the disassemled dsdt there is nothing
[10:17]  * cking looks at the spec a little more
[10:18] <apw> does it have BCM and/or BQC
[10:18] <smb_tp_> nothing
[10:18] <cking> _BCM --> The OS will only set levels that were reported via the _BCL method. This method is required if _BCL is
[10:18] <cking> implemented.
[10:19] <smb_tp_> apw, maybe you can cross check. see bug 311716
[10:19] <ubot3> Malone bug 311716 in linux "The slider brightness Applet has value inverted after the last update (2.6.27-11)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311716
[10:20] <apw> smb_tp_, your fixes to allow switching both ways are not in jaunty are they?
[10:20] <smb_tp_> take the dsdt from the last reporter, cking "iasl -d dsdt.bin" is correct,?
[10:20] <cking> yep
[10:21] <smb_tp_> apw, no, they are only in intrepid
[10:21] <apw>         /* First check for boot param -> highest prio */
[10:21] <apw>         if (acpi_video_support & ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT_FORCE_VENDOR)
[10:21] <apw>                 return 0;
[10:21] <apw>         else if (acpi_video_support & ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT_FORCE_VIDEO)
[10:21] <apw>                 return 1;
[10:21] <apw>         /* Then check for DMI blacklist -> second highest prio */
[10:21] <apw>         if (acpi_video_support & ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT_DMI_VENDOR)
[10:21] <apw>                 return 0;
[10:21] <apw>         else if (acpi_video_support & ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT_DMI_VIDEO)
[10:21] <apw>                 return 1;
[10:21] <apw> i see this in jaunty kernels, so there is something upstream in this area
[10:22] <smb_tp_> They are slightly different. I patched it to return not 0 or 1 but a bitfield
[10:22] <apw> ahh
[10:23] <smb_tp_>         /* First check for boot param -> highest prio */
[10:23] <smb_tp_>         if (acpi_video_support & ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT_FORCE_VENDOR)
[10:23] <smb_tp_>                 return ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT_FORCE_VENDOR;
[10:23] <smb_tp_>         else if (acpi_video_support & ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT_FORCE_VIDEO)
[10:23] <smb_tp_>                 return ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT;
[10:23] <smb_tp_> this way it can have both set. but that is hackish
[10:25] <apw>         if (ACPI_SUCCESS(acpi_get_handle(handle, "_BCM", &h_dummy1)) &&
[10:25] <apw>             ACPI_SUCCESS(acpi_get_handle(handle, "_BCL", &h_dummy2))) {
[10:25] <apw> that seems to be the check for turning on ACPI_VIDEO_BACKLIGHT
[10:25] <apw> so if you don't have those you shouldn't get it turned on
[10:26] <smb_tp_> Exactly what I believed
[10:26] <apw> smb_tp_, there is a shit load of debug in here for acpi
[10:26] <apw> i wonder if we can get them to boot with that enabled
[10:26] <cking> ..yeah.. boot eventually with all the debug turned on.
[10:27] <apw> any idea how to turn it on?
[10:27] <smb_tp_> Must check for intrepid. At some point you had to compile with ACPI_DEBUG set, which was not the default
[10:27] <smb_tp_> Then you could use some bitmask setting. Should be in ./Documentation
[10:28] <apw> it tells us things it finds and explicitly tells us it turns this on
[10:30] <apw> where do i fine iasl
[10:30] <apw> find
[10:31] <smb_tp_> apt-get install iasl ?
[10:32] <apw> odd its not recommended
[10:33] <Kano> hi apw , it seems the blacklight hack is still in -5 kernel?
[10:34] <apw> yeah we are still working on what to do about it over all
[10:34] <Kano> not good
[10:34] <apw> i have some tests out in the field on some new combinations
[10:34] <Kano> will revert it for my build
[10:34] <apw> it will be going, its just not clear what is going in in its place
[10:35] <apw> smb_tp_, no i can't see either of those in that dsdt in the bug, so that should imply it is not found and enabled
[10:38] <Kano> anybody responsible for linux-firmware package here?
[10:38] <apw> whats the question
[10:38] <Kano> well you need more firmware files
[10:39] <apw> for drivers we have already?
[10:39] <Kano> different ones for some dvb-t devices like hauppauge dvb-t
[10:39] <Kano> additional ones for new rt28x0 drivers - like mentioned in my mail
[10:39] <apw> i thought we got out hauppauge ones recommended by them
[10:40] <Kano> http://www.wi-bw.tfh-wildau.de/~pboettch/home/files/dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw
[10:40] <Kano> you need that now
[10:40] <Kano> you have got 1.10
[10:40] <Kano> but 2.6.28 needs 1.20
[10:41] <apw> you have emailed all this to the kernel list?
[10:41] <Kano> maybe you can add a symlink from 1.20 to 1.10
[10:41] <Kano> nope, but i mentioned ti before
[10:41] <apw> irc stuff tends to get forgotten in minutes
[10:42] <Kano> for some driver for that little xo there the firmware would be missing too
[10:42] <Kano> bought a similar wlan device but that did not work with my simple id hack ;)
[10:43] <Kano> but found out that the firmware was missing
[10:43] <apw> one mail with all the firmware issues would be good
[10:44] <Kano> will seek my notes
[10:44] <Kano> but you saw the mail about rt2860+70 already?
[10:44] <apw> no not seens that
[10:45] <apw> i only see one from you about the brightness in my inbox
[10:45] <Kano> i sent the other 10min later or so
[10:45] <apw> oddness
[10:45] <Kano> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/RT2860_Firmware_V11.zip
[10:46] <Kano> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/RT2870_Firmware_V8.zip
[10:46] <Kano> licence included
[10:50] <Kano> ok, found these 2 + 3 others, will mail it
[10:57] <Kano> mail sent
[10:57] <apw> cool
[10:58] <Kano> at least i did not see more right now
[10:58] <Kano> it happens from time to time that i have to seek for firmware for others
[11:01] <Kano> well the hauppauge dvb-t i own myself
[11:33] <Kano> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=phoenix_hyperspace&num=1
[11:33] <Kano> ups wrong channel ;)
[11:34] <Kano> when can i expect a linux-firmware update?
[11:51] <apw> not sure, others will need to review the changes and decide
[12:03] <Kano> upload it somewhere an i will test it for you
[13:36] <tjaalton> I'm getting strange disconnects when copied ~10GB from the usb drive to my local hd on jaunty. dmesg says something about "__ratelimit: 167 callbaks suppressed" and then a bunch of buffer i/o errors
[13:37] <tjaalton> it's an ntfs file system, so using fuseblk
[13:37] <tjaalton> oh, the __ratelimit is irrelevant
[13:38] <smb_tp> right, just even more i/o errors
[13:38] <tjaalton> yep
[13:44] <tjaalton> might be just ntfs-3g failing..
[13:54] <rtg> smb_tp: wireless normally works with the -rt kernel, right?
[13:55] <rtg> Hardt -rt, that is.
[13:55] <smb_tp> rtg, how do you think I know?
[13:55] <smb_tp> I don't know of any reports, but that must not mean anything
[13:56] <rtg> smb_tp: well, I guess one of would have noticed if no one's wireless worked with the Hardy -rt flavour.
[13:56] <rtg> s/of/of us/
[13:56] <smb_tp> If they tried to probably yes. Not sure whether wireless and -rt are compatible
[13:58] <rtg> smb_tp: bug #318219. Its loading the i3945, but doesn't appear to do anything after that. guess I'll have to load up one of my laptops.
[13:58] <ubot3> Malone bug 318219 in ubuntu "Dell n-series won't wifi after reload of Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318219
[14:00] <smb_tp> I fear as much. Do they user an -rt kernel in the bug?
[14:02] <rtg> smb_tp: no (Ubuntu 2.6.24-4.6-generic), and I also just found an oops in his dmesg.
[14:04] <smb_tp> rtg, -4.6 sounds pretty old. same problem with anything newer?
[14:05] <rtg> smb_tp: I was just gonna suggest that he subscribe to -proposed
[14:05] <smb_tp> -23.46 is in -updates
[14:05] <smb_tp> even the released (guess thats the .1) is -16.30
[14:07] <rtg> smb_tp: doh! thats the version of the kernel on the buildd, his kernel was 2.6.24-23-rt
[14:08] <smb_tp> rtg, Ah, so latest but -rt
[14:09] <smb_tp> rtg, Hm, the -rt code is pretty new
[14:09] <rtg> smb_tp: he's still got an oops, looks like a sysctl is failing
[14:10] <smb_tp> When I updated to -stable upstream alessio took the chance to get a new -rt patch into hardy
[14:11] <rtg> hmm, maybe we should start looking there.
[15:21] <amitk> useful link comparing various wear-levelling flash fs: http://free-electrons.com/pub/conferences/2008/jm2l/flash-filesystems.pdf
[16:11] <cking> amitk: that's handy
[17:07] <Kano> apw: i saw the patch is reverted now, what about the firmware update?
[17:09] <apw> not something i am working on at the moment, not looked to see if anyone has looked at the other
[17:09] <Kano> well a new kernel without firmware does not help that much
[17:12] <rtg> Kano: what patch? the rt2860/2870 stuff?
[18:21] <mous16> hi to all. I need the module aic7xxx_old. how can i compile only this module and than inserti it in the ubuntu precompiled kernel?
[18:30] <rtg> mous16: make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd`
[18:34] <mous16> rtg: thanks! where I need to move with shell when i launch this make? and how I insert the module in the initrd? (this is the module of the scsi controller)
[18:37] <rtg> mous16: aic7xxx_old must have a compatible makefile. the command line assumes you are in the same directory as the makefile. once the modules is compiled you can load it using 'sudo insmod *.ko'
[18:53] <mnemo> mous16: I have this other macro to permanently install a .ko once I built it
[18:53] <mnemo> alias modmake='make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=$PWD modules'
[18:53] <mnemo> moduse() {
[18:53] <mnemo>         sudo cp $1.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/`pwd | awk "{print substr(\\$1, index(\\$1,\"drivers\"))}"`/$1.ko
[18:53] <mnemo> }
[18:53] <mnemo> so then to permanently use a .ko I just run "moduse drm" and drm.ko gets copied to the right location
[18:54] <mous16> mnemo: I'm  having trubless in compiling the module. I'm using the kernel source in ubuntu repo, but it tell me that there isn't a make file...
[18:56] <mnemo> mous16: so if you do like "mkdir my_kernel_code ; cd my_kernel_code ; apt-get source linux-image-2.6.28-4-generic ; cd linux-2.6.28/drivers/gpu/drm"
[18:56] <mnemo> and then just do that comment rtg said
[18:56] <mnemo> if you are in the drivers/gpu/drm part of the kernel tree it will build all the .ko's that are built from that dir etc
[19:01] <mous16> with drm it seams to compile correctly all the modules interessed. but if i move to drivers/scsi/aic7xxx_old and give the same command it return: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107901/
[19:15] <mnemo> mous16: ah yes, that directory does not have a "makefile" at all in it
[19:26] <infinity> So, who's handling armel kernel flavors, and how do I talk them into doing a distro kernel for our buildds?
[19:27] <rtg> infinity: me or amitk
[19:28] <rtg> infinity: what are the buildd's and do you have a config?
[19:28] <infinity> rtg: Which source is armel built from?  I see both linux and linux-ports failing on armel...
[19:28] <rtg> infinity: its building from the Jaunty git repo, I'm aware of the FTBS (I think its fixed)
[19:29] <infinity> rtg: The buildds are Marvell DB-78x00-BP Development Boards, and I have a monolithic config right now that works.  I see no reason why it can't go modular with an initramfs, though.
[19:29] <rtg> infinity: the monolithic config is fine. I think all of the other flavours are like that.
[19:30] <infinity> And now, the challenge of finding my original build tree with the config in it...
[19:30] <infinity> *cough*
[19:32] <infinity> Do proc or sys export a config somewhere from the running kernel, perchance? :)
[19:32] <rtg> not in the distro kernel
[19:32] <infinity> Oh, it's an option?  Almost certainly one I didn't enable, then.
[19:33] <rtg> dunno what you're running on the buildd
[19:33]  * infinity digs for his tree instead.
[19:33] <rtg> if its there, then it'll be /proc/config*
[19:33] <infinity> Nah, it's not, but I found my tree.
[19:33] <infinity> Sitting in a qemu image on my laptop.
[19:34] <rtg> infinity: is the qemu faster then native? these babbage boards with USB disk are sloooow
[19:35] <infinity> rtg: qemu on my laptop is speedy, the Marvell buildds are MUCH faster.
[19:35] <infinity> rtg: It's just that I had a chicken and egg problem where I couldn't build a kernel for the Marvell machines on the Marvell machines...
[19:36] <rtg> rumor has it that we may get one or two as porter machines soon
[19:36] <infinity> rtg: This is the kernel config I'm using: http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/armel-kernel-config
[19:36] <infinity> rtg: And I'm setting up the porter machine as we speak. :)
[19:37] <rtg> infinity: ok, the first thing I'll do with the porter machine is to test build your config.
[19:38] <rtg> and rev it from 2.6.27 to 2.6.28
[19:39] <amitk> infinity: you won't mind if we homogenize the config, will you? ...add things like netfilter, ipv6 and other bloated modules that are common across all flavours?
[19:40] <rtg> amitk: aren't buildd's and porters all running stock Hardy?
[19:40] <rtg> complete with module bloat
[19:41] <infinity> All the other arches are stock hardy-server, yeah.
[19:41] <infinity> If you plan to make it a generic marvell DB-78x00-BP kernel for re-use by end users and testers, then yeah, bloat it up.  I don't mind.
[19:42] <amitk> rtg: true. But most ARM-folks are used to hand-crafting their configs like in the good old days. I don't want to encourage those expectations.
[19:42] <infinity> If I'm going to end up being the only person who uses the kernel on my 6 machines, then no. :P
[19:42] <infinity> I know that Marvell handed out a fair number of these boards to the Free Software community, some Debian people have them, etc.  So a generic kernel might actually get used.  Maybe.
[19:42] <amitk> infinity: is this an orion5x-based machine?
[19:43] <infinity> amitk: I don't speak codenames.  So.  Maybe?  I don't know?
[19:43] <amitk> infinity: grep for ARCH or MACH in the config
[19:43] <infinity> CONFIG_ARCH_MV78XX0=y
[19:43] <infinity> # CONFIG_ARCH_ORION5X is not set
[19:43] <infinity> That would answer that.
[19:44] <amitk> hmm.. yet another flavour
[19:46] <infinity> amitk: Oh, and it's uBoot based.  I assume (hope?) that our build system can automagically staple the uBoot bits on the image?  I had to do mine by hand.
[19:48] <amitk> infinity: make uImage ought to do that. I don't think our build system knows about it yet.
[19:48] <infinity> Anyhow, I'll get back to you guys when the porter machine's online, since I'm hearing that that's a prereq for getting my a distro kernel. :)
[19:49] <infinity> s/my/me/
[19:49] <rtg> it'll make it faster.
[19:49] <rtg> rather, it'll happen sooner with a porter
[19:51] <amitk> rtg: how did you merge the versatile config? Just copy it over?
[19:51] <rtg> amitk: for i in config.* ; do cat config >> $i; done; rm config
[19:52] <rtg> debian/rules updatconfigs
[19:53] <amitk> rtg: aahh.. so the config failed on pulling from upstream?
[19:53] <rtg> amitk: I got it from ogra, so I have no idea
[19:54] <amitk> rtg: let me rephrase. Did you just merge the configs, copy over ogra's versatile config and then split config again?
[19:55] <rtg> yes
[19:55] <amitk> ok
[19:55] <rtg> which has caused me some gief, missing modules etc
[19:55] <rtg> s/gief/grief/
[19:56] <rtg> amitk: where you is now? back in Europe?
[19:57] <amitk> rtg: yeah...
[19:57] <kirkland> rtg: \o/
[19:58] <rtg> filename encryption?
[19:58] <kirkland> rtg: your filename encryption kernel is working :-)
[19:58] <kirkland> rtg: yup
[19:58] <rtg> cool
[19:58] <kirkland> rtg: $ ls
[19:58] <kirkland> rtg: ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FYZOEIsgDeUixETd-IcPajGrIikAQ4n6KRVe2BW2L0vIlNbyGJugWlyAkCgV9Mv1EBJ2Go2.z36IhdEoBEbxo2CxgC-1B4DMGD2J
[19:58] <kirkland> rtg: $ ls Private/
[19:58] <kirkland> rtg: doc
[19:58] <kirkland> :-)
[19:58] <kirkland> rtg: okay, i gotta finish the userspace utilities for it now
[19:59] <rtg> kirkland: that'll mystify homeland security :)
[19:59] <kirkland> rtg: my goal, of course
[23:30] <radii> so I'm looking at the ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty tree and it looks like c0399d55 "Enabled CONFIG_PID_NS=y for i386/amd64" reverts the previous 7 i915 commits -- fb8d31f8 428b85cb 29277168 30ee913c e7a95a8a c569e25c 4e5967f9.
[23:30] <radii> should I mail kernel-team@ about it, or ping Tim directly, or ... ?
[23:43] <radii> rtg: you around?


[15:55] <tgm4883> o/
[15:56] <dmj726> o/
[15:58]  * Dr_Who waves
[15:58] <tgm4883> i'm listening
[15:58]  * dmj726 runs
[15:58] <dmj726> :P
[15:59] <dmj726> I'm listening here and watching Mango.
[16:02] <Saviq> morning
[16:02] <tsdgeos> morning
[16:03] <tsdgeos> ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g
[16:03] <dmj726> There are issues with udp multisink for UTV?
[16:04] <Saviq> dmj726, we haven't really started yet, but what issues do you have in mind?
[16:04] <dmj726> was just listening to the chatter
[16:04] <dmj726> on the audio stream
[16:05] <Saviq> oh ok didn't get that
[16:06] <dmj726> I do.
[16:07] <dmj726> mostly plugin development and some other bits for novacut.
[16:07] <dmj726> played with live video streaming some too
[16:08] <dmj726> ARM devices should have shared memory for CPU and GPU
[16:10] <dmj726> Should we be targeting gstreamer 0.10 or 0.11/1.0?
[16:12] <dmj726> that really changes what bindings are available as well
[16:13] <dmj726> python bindings are totally different between the two
[16:14] <dmj726> Best experience with gstreamer is C or python from experience
[16:16] <dmj726> From what I've heard 1.0 is really designed with hardware support in mind.  Though manufacturers still need to support it.
[16:17] <dmj726> how is GEGL integration?
[16:17] <dmj726> have you done GEGL work recently?
[16:20] <dmj726> performance isn't an issue
[16:20] <dmj726> Python would be control logic only
[16:20] <dmj726> then gstreamer does all work in C
[16:21] <dmj726> so language using the bindings aren't an issue
[16:22] <dmj726> The new bindings were roung a few months ago
[16:23] <dmj726> jderose was working on rendering code back in january
[16:23] <dmj726> situation has been improving and is better in 1.0 than 0.10 for the gobject introspection bindings from what I remember
[16:27] <Saviq> I think Ted meant parsing tables?
[16:27] <Saviq> willcooke ^?
[16:28] <Saviq> most of the DVB spec with regards to table parsing is complete, we've been working with tsdgeos to improve that recently
[16:29] <dmj726> pick hardware that supports the relevant codecs
[16:31] <dmj726> gstreamer needs more unit testing work, badly
[16:32] <dmj726> mpeg-ts can be choppy
[16:33] <dmj726> talk with jderose about unit testing too, he was mentioning some things the other day
[16:33] <dmj726> whole pipelines need testing really
[16:33] <dmj726> many of the bugs result from combinations
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome those random coughs that just barely stop before deafening me completely
[16:38] <dmj726> download is easier than upload!
[16:39] <tgm4883> software encoders are lame
[16:39] <tgm4883> I completely agree
[16:42] <MrChrisDruif> lame encoder?
[16:42] <tgm4883> MrChrisDruif, no, crappy
[16:42] <MrChrisDruif> tgm4883; I know, just kidding ^_^
[16:44] <Saviq> do I have to explain?
[16:44] <dmj726> yes
[16:45] <dmj726> we have done a lot to separate frontend and backend
[16:45] <dmj726> can also ask me about it
[16:45] <Saviq> there'd a backend that will talk to hardware
[16:45] <Saviq> yeah here
[16:45] <Saviq> and somehow we might need to get the data into the media player
[16:45] <Saviq> which will be a separate process
[16:46] <Saviq> ideally the data would remain in hardware
[16:46] <Saviq> but we're targetting x86 too
[16:46] <Saviq> so we need to plan for transferring the actual data between the backend and frontend for live playback
[16:47] <Saviq> yeah but I'm not talking threads
[16:47] <Saviq> true
[16:47] <dmj726> Saviq: you mean processing backend vs display frontent?
[16:47] <Saviq> sure, if it stays in the hardware then it's fine
[16:47] <dmj726> yeah, you want to display directly via hardware
[16:47] <dmj726> frontend only controls what pipeline does and sets up mechanism to display correctly
[16:48] <Saviq> dmj726, sure, in SoC that's fine, but on x86 we might end up doing everything in software
[16:48] <dmj726> Saviq: that shouldn't be a real difference except speed
[16:48] <dmj726> the gstreamer sink element should handle that, no?
[16:49] <Saviq> well, question is who owns the window
[16:50] <Saviq> in which the video is displayed, and I'm unsure whether the DVB backend should
[16:50] <Saviq> since we will have sources other to DVB
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[16:52] <Saviq> so how do we make the separate media player play live data where it's the backend that holds the hardware?
[16:53] <Saviq> thanks
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[16:53] <Saviq> sure
[16:53] <Saviq> of course
[16:54] <Saviq> ok cool
[16:54] <Saviq> ouch
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[17:08] <cielak> yes!
[17:08] <cielak> o/
[17:09] <cielak> though laggy a bit, it seems :)
[17:14] <s-fox> oops is a technical term, ask any developer ;)
[17:17] <nxvl> There is something weird on the way it works for old time contributors, it seems it only checks for the unlocked ones, once they are check and more trophies are unlocked it will THEN check for the rest, instead of open accomplishments download + create all my trphies in one run
[17:18] <cielak> nxvl: this is actually intentional
[17:18] <nxvl> so i need to run Ctrl+N a couple of times before it checks all my trphies
[17:18] <cielak> oh, then it's a but, it should re-check automatically whenever you accomplish anything
[17:18] <cielak> bug*
[17:19] <cielak> this may be related to an issue I've been recently working on, but the fix hasn't yet been released
[17:26] <s-fox> cielak,  in the process of fixing the accomplishment mp
[17:26] <mfisch> yay cielak
[17:26] <mfisch> cielak: are you here?
[17:26] <cielak> yup :)
[17:26] <mfisch> cielak: where?
[17:27] <cielak> here, in this IRC channel :)
[17:27] <mfisch> cielak: haha i meant in Oakland
[17:27] <cielak> not in Oakland :)
[17:30] <s-fox> cielak,  i just submitted a fix.  revision 98. can you confirm i did it correctly?
[17:31] <mfisch> no ideas for the etherpad?
[17:31]  * s-fox looks at etherpad
[17:32] <mfisch> it's empty ATM
[17:33] <cielak> s-fox: yay! that's almost it, you just forgot to remove "twistd.pid" too
[17:33] <cielak> and apart from that - it's great :)
[17:33] <cielak> (s-fox is doing some really great job on ubuntuforums related accomplishments :D )
[17:33] <s-fox> Where is twistd.pid?
[17:33] <cielak> s-fox: root branch dir
[17:34]  * cielak nods at accomplishments 'difficulty'
[17:35] <s-fox> I agree with being relative, for example i found it easier to get ubuntu membership than bazaar branch merge
[17:35] <cielak> s-fox: haha :D
[17:37] <s-fox>  it was also easier for me to get on the ubuntu forums council than the bazaar accomplishment, haha :D
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[17:40] <s-fox> cielak,  i think i fixed it...again :D
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[17:41] <cielak> s-fox: brilliant! great job ;)
[17:41] <s-fox> I fixed it? :D
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[17:42] <cielak> I am not sure about that drawing trick
[17:42] <mfisch>  I really like the idea of human granted "kudos"
[17:42] <cielak> it may get really difficult for some reasons :)
[17:43] <mfisch> does everyone know the IRC channel?
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[17:48] <cielak> yeah, thanks all! :)
[17:48] <cielak> thanks jono! :)
[17:49] <s-fox> See you  :)
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[19:33] <linuxtech> apt-listchanges already list changelogs depending on how it is configured.  It doesn't show source changes.
[19:34] <stokachu> what about errata's?
[19:46] <Effenberg0x0> Balloons read PVT
[19:49] <greymech> Alternative = PDF doc tutorial in examples folder
[19:54] <greymech> proff reading by an ordinary user
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[05:39] <gomez_> hi anyone in the ##java channel?
[05:39] <gomez_> how can i identify myself?
[05:39] <gomez_> sry irc newbie