[04:54] <hikiko> .hi
[05:23] <duflu> hikiko: 'lo
[05:27] <hikiko> hi duflu :) happy monday!
[05:28] <duflu> hikiko: Happy Monday. Anything to raise the collective tone following that presidential debate
[05:29] <hikiko> hahahaha
[05:47] <pitti> Good morning
[07:30] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:30] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:31] <seb128> salut pitti, comment ça va ici ?
[07:31] <pitti> as-tu eu un bon week-end ?
[07:32] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien ! le temps était horrible, mais on a joué au badminton la première fois cette saison :)
[07:32] <pitti> et ma rhûme est mieux
[07:32] <seb128> oui, de bonne vacances, le vol de retour était hier donc dimanche c'était voyage et rangement des valises
[07:32] <seb128> le début des activités d'après été !
[07:33] <pitti> seb128: oh, tu as perdu les valises ?
[07:33] <pitti> seb128: oui, pas plus de travail dans le jardin :)
[07:33] <seb128> non, mais elles étaient pleines de choses à ranger
[07:34] <duflu> Morning pitti, seb128
[07:34] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:34] <seb128> how are you?
[07:34] <pitti> hey duflu, good day!
[07:34] <duflu> seb128: Alright. You?
[07:35] <seb128> I'm good thanks, going through a stack of email after holidays
[07:35] <pitti> seb128: it's not like we are in a release week, so no hurry :)
[07:35] <seb128> lol
[07:35] <seb128> I hope you guys did some good bug fixing job while I was away!
[07:35] <seb128> did the systemd user session got completed?
[07:36] <pitti> no, that indicator PPA still didn't land :(
[07:36] <didrocks> good morning pitti! duflu!
[07:36] <pitti> seb128: I made it a fair bit less ugly, though (had some good input at systemd.conf)
[07:36] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:36] <seb128> oh, right, how was the conference?
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: and Laney found/fixed some issues too
[07:37] <seb128> I though the indicators were needed otherwise things were flacky though?
[07:37] <seb128> what blocked that from landing?
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: really good; mostly a social week of course (OMG pub and beer for 9 days in a row ☺ ), but some interesting presentations, and productive hackfest
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: I don't know, haven't gotten an answer from Ted yet
[07:38] <pitti> seb128: it actually works without upstart, then they just get started in gnome-session.service
[07:38] <pitti> but I still need to port the unity greeter (lightdm), and that's blocked by that PPA
[07:38] <pitti> that's the only (formal) upstart rdepends that's left
[07:38] <pitti> so, *shrug*, early z I hope
[07:39] <seb128> right
[07:39] <pitti> seb128: and bug 1626651 was fun to debug :)
[07:40] <seb128> oh, pam fun, nice ;-)
[07:41] <seb128> coffee, brb
[07:41] <pitti> seb128: it actually didn't take that long after all, jderose gave me the right push
[07:57] <willcooke> morning gang
[07:59] <seb128> good morning willcooke
[07:59] <willcooke> hey seb128! Welcome back, we missed you :)  Did you have a good holiday?
[07:59] <seb128> thanks!
[07:59] <seb128> yes, holidays were great
[07:59] <willcooke> \o/.
[07:59] <seb128> >30°C in Spain still
[08:00] <willcooke> niiiiiice
[08:00] <seb128> quite a difference this morning, 7°C here, brrrr
[08:00] <willcooke> ha, yes, same here
[08:00] <willcooke> Cold, but a little sun - so quite nice really
[08:00] <seb128> how is the release going?
[08:00] <willcooke> clear skies
[08:00] <willcooke> Release is OK
[08:00] <seb128> I'm going through email still
[08:00] <seb128> u8 session landed?
[08:01] <willcooke> Issues about installing on UEFI are fixed AIUI
[08:01] <willcooke> U8 is in
[08:01] <seb128> seems that took a bit more turns still before being ready though?
[08:01] <seb128> it didn't break $things/unity7?
[08:01] <willcooke> yeah, a few little bits and pieces, but was OK.
[08:01] <seb128> k, good
[08:01] <willcooke> Nothing that I've found yet
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Morning willcooke
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Welcome back seb128
[08:02] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, thanks, and welcome to you!
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> :-)
[08:02] <willcooke> There are a couple of annoyances about the error reporter popping up in the U7 session reporting problems from the U8 one.  But I think that people who are playing with U8 will know whats going on
[08:02] <seb128> hope you didn't have a too rough start
[08:02] <willcooke> I need to check that Terminal is actually in now, wasn't clear what was going on last week
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> seb128, No, I'm settling in thanks.
[08:02] <willcooke> and then I have to write a blog post thingy
[08:02] <seb128> great
[08:02] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:03] <seb128> release week, does it mean Laney is visiting London? ;-)
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Laney is having difficulties getting connected.
[08:05] <seb128> the question was rather to know if there is a release sprint at the office
[08:05] <seb128> and if we have anyone from desktop there
[08:06] <willcooke> I haven't heard anything about a release sprint at all this time
[08:06] <seb128> flexiondotorg, like his dsl line is not working? or like he's in London? you didn't really reply to my question ;-)
[08:06] <seb128> weeeird
[08:07] <Laney> right then
[08:07] <Laney> restarting n-m fixed it
[08:07] <Laney> :|
[08:07] <Laney> :||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:07] <Laney> HI!
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128!
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney
[08:07] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:07] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning! good weekend?
[08:08] <seb128> just read the telegrams
[08:08]  * didrocks sees that pitti is telling good morning to everyone but ignored didrocks good morning *sad violon music* :)
[08:08] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:08] <seb128> didrocks, did you ever report that bug to upstream n-m on b.g.o? they are usually responsive and it would maybe help to get it resolved
[08:08]  * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks et le souhaite un bon jour !
[08:09] <pitti> "lui souhaite", non?
[08:09] <didrocks> seb128: I reported on launchpad, didn't on b.g.o as you told me the logs don't really uncovered anything
[08:09] <didrocks> seb128: also note that I tried on fedora, did multiple reboots, works all the time
[08:09] <didrocks> pitti: "lui souhaite" or just "souhaite" or even "te souhaite"
[08:10] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, the log don't have much info but upstream might know what to ask or what component to blame
[08:10]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti
[08:10] <seb128> I would open one anyway
[08:10] <Laney> hey didrocks & pitti
[08:10] <didrocks> I need to find them back (or at least, find the bug I reported on launchpad)
[08:10] <seb128> but I never saw that issue here
[08:10] <seb128> intel graphics stack is crap for me in recent versions
[08:10] <Laney> pitti: good thanks; climbing, dinner with friends, hanging out & reading - pretty quiet
[08:10] <seb128> but other components work fine
[08:10] <Laney> what about you?
[08:11] <Laney> seb128: avoided the sunburn? ;-)
[08:11] <didrocks> seb128: do you use wifi often?
[08:11] <Laney> no london sprint this week
[08:11] <seb128> yes, I had my Ubuntu cap!
[08:11] <seb128> and some sun blocker
[08:11] <seb128> didrocks, yes, I use it 90% of the time
[08:12] <seb128> there is no ethernet cable going where I've my main desk
[08:12] <didrocks> interesting, I guess it depends on the card/AP setup
[08:12] <seb128> yes
[08:12]  * Laney uses it too a lot, just fine here
[08:12] <seb128> is your issue on fresh boot has well?
[08:12] <seb128> or after suspend/resume?
[08:12] <didrocks> on both
[08:13] <didrocks> mostly getting it on fresh boot every morning
[08:13] <seb128> even at conference?
[08:13] <seb128> or specific to your home config?
[08:13] <didrocks> happens as well at some conference
[08:13] <didrocks> never got it on canonical network though
[08:13] <didrocks> but yeah, mostly, everyday, I now power up my laptopt
[08:13] <didrocks> laptop*
[08:13] <didrocks> and go to do something else for a good 5 minutes
[08:14] <didrocks> I have to come back sometimes because n-m stops trying to connect
[08:14] <didrocks> so relaunching it
[08:14] <didrocks> and have to reenter my passphrase
[08:14] <seb128> :-/
[08:14] <seb128> you should open it on bgo they seem responsive and might know what to ask
[08:14] <didrocks> daily experience from the past 6 months now, getting use to it :(
[08:15] <didrocks> will do then, I wonder if anyone looks at the bugs on our side though, the one on lp stayed dead
[08:16] <seb128> thanks
[08:16] <seb128> happyaron is supposed to...
[08:17] <davmor2> didrocks: what wifi card do you have I had a similar sounding issue with my ethernet card and I had to change the mtu 8192, not sure if the same solution would help you
[08:18] <didrocks> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
[08:18] <didrocks> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34)
[08:18] <didrocks> for the wifi ^
[08:19] <didrocks> davmor2: you had like a 5 minutes to get an ip/authenticated with your AP?
[08:19] <happyaron> cuz no clue for too many stuff...
[08:20] <davmor2> didrocks: I'll have a look through my hardware and see if I have a similar card, one thing you might want to do is see if it has powersave mode enabled and if it does disable it and see if that affects it
[08:20] <happyaron> many of them could be kernel bugs but I have no direct proof...
[08:20] <seb128> happyaron, hey! no clue is fine, that's when we forward to upstream to see if they have some ;-)
[08:20] <happyaron> I see
[08:20] <seb128> well don't forward every weird bug
[08:21] <happyaron> yep I know, :)
[08:21] <seb128> but the ones that impact quite some users and come often as complain from an Ubuntu version are worth forwarding
[08:21] <seb128> it's often upstream issues at the end
[08:21] <didrocks> davmor2: I tried disabling power saving already, didn't really help
[08:21] <happyaron> didrocks: do you have latest firmware installed?
[08:22] <didrocks> happyaron: is there new firmwares?
[08:22] <didrocks> are*
[08:22] <happyaron> what's your installed version?
[08:22] <didrocks> see above ^ rev 34 I guess
[08:23] <Laney> just accidentally poured water from the kettle on myself
[08:23] <Laney> :(
[08:23] <davmor2> didrocks: :(  try picking on the kernel team and cyphermox and awe when they are on
[08:24] <didrocks> davmor2: cyphermox doesn't handle n-m anymore, I tried to ping him
[08:24] <davmor2> Laney: ijit you okay? run it under cold water asap
[08:24] <happyaron> didrocks: ah I mean the linux-firmware package. and look at boot syslog to see which ucode it loads
[08:24] <willcooke> I poked c_yphermox about something which sounds a bit like this problem last week.  He's pretty sure it's driver related
[08:25] <happyaron> should be things like /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode
[08:25] <davmor2> didrocks: it's true but he also did it so long that he might have pointers that other people don't :)
[08:25] <didrocks> happyaron: well, I though be updated, right? I'm on latest xenial, or is there anything else I should do
[08:25] <willcooke> the bugs around these problems are a real mess as well, lots of "me toos" for what are actually different problems.
[08:25] <didrocks> davmor2: happyaron is the new maintainer, that's why I pinged him moons ago :)
[08:25] <didrocks> yeah, I bet
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> I've only experienced the wifi issues with Intel wifi chpsets, but not all Intel wifi chipsets.
[08:26] <didrocks> happyaron: ah, I only have iwlwifi-8000C-16.ucode
[08:26] <happyaron> flexiondotorg: and their firmware fixes are almost disabling features...
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> Broadcom and Atheros installed into an affected computer resolved the issue.
[08:26] <didrocks> (on xenial)
[08:26] <Laney> davmor2: it mostly went into my jumper
[08:26] <Laney> but have done
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> As did install an Intel 8260 (<- I think)
[08:27] <happyaron> didrocks: would you mind to try a new kernel + linux-firmware package?
[08:27] <didrocks> (nothing in syslog tells me what ucode I'm using)
[08:27] <happyaron> i.e. from yakkety
[08:27] <didrocks> happyaron: hum, are we sure they are going to work well on xenial, like modules are tested?
[08:27] <happyaron> nope, but you can boot back to old kernel anyway
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 I'm working on several themes fixes. Multiple bugs to be referenced.
[08:28] <flexiondotorg> What is the process for an SRU when it addresses multiple bugs?
[08:28] <didrocks> happyaron: don't we have that backported anyway with hardware enablement on the LTS?
[08:28] <flexiondotorg> Each bugs becames an SRU?
[08:28] <didrocks> happyaron: because if there is something I can just enable to use this stack (even if in -proposed), that would be even better to bug proof for our users
[08:29] <happyaron> but there's a major bump of kernel version in yakkety
[08:29] <happyaron> and only newer kernel would take a newer implementation of the iwlwifi firmware
[08:30] <didrocks> oh ok, so I guess I need to manually install new linux-image, & co
[08:30] <didrocks> could do that, but not today as it's not a 10 minutes thing :)
[08:30] <pishuilu> Hi,all. Who can help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu. The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html. Thanks!
[08:31] <happyaron> i.e. intel may fix some bug in iwlwifi-8000C-16.ucode and update it, but they also develop new things like iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode, and that fixed 802.1X problem for myself on thinkpad
[08:31] <Laney> flexiondotorg: That's right, each fix needs to be verified
[08:32] <didrocks> ok, let's see then! will test. Thanks happyaron :)
[08:39] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:40]  * Sweet5hark thinks he found a hotfix for the "white tab" issues with libreoffice-gtk3 ...
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark, Morning
[09:03] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, how are you?
[09:04] <seb128> sorry, tried to reply earlier but seems some IRC servers issue
[09:04] <willcooke> fun!!!
[09:06] <Laney> what go on
[09:10] <andyrock> morning
[09:10] <Sweet5hark> hey seb128, welcome back!
[09:10] <seb128> thanks!
[09:10] <Sweet5hark> how was time off?
[09:11] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you? had a good w.e?
[09:11] <andyrock> kind of... some hiking on sunday
[09:11] <andyrock> you?
[09:11] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great, spain, sun & 30°C, visited some nice cities, had good wine&tapas, did some swimming in the ocean
[09:11] <seb128> andyrock, good, just back from holidays
[09:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: that sounds really awesome!
[09:12] <seb128> it was great :-)
[09:12] <Laney> 30° in october
[09:13] <Laney> SICKENING
[09:13] <seb128> right
[09:13] <seb128> I put my summer clothes when I got out of bed this morning
[09:13] <seb128> then realized that it's 7°C here
[09:13] <seb128> brrrr
[09:13] <Sweet5hark> Laney: lets burn some more coal to bring 30 Celsius in october home to us here in the north.
[09:13] <andyrock> seb128: where have you been in Spain?
[09:14] <seb128> andyrock, Andalousia, Malaga, Cadix, Sevilla, Cordovia, etc
[09:14] <seb128> 34°C in Sevilla
[09:15] <seb128> I don't want to go there in middle of summer
[09:15] <andyrock> nice!
[09:16]  * Sweet5hark was at his new appartment on Saturday night, wanted to take bus home. Should have had to wait for 13 minutes for the right bus. It was 4 celsius and I still had summer clothes on. Decided to take a rental bike instead to keep myself a bit warmer by moving.
[09:17] <seb128> Sweet5hark, when do you move?
[09:17] <Sweet5hark> end of this month.
[09:18] <Sweet5hark> well, Im trying to move some stuff over bit by bit already, so the "real" move day isnt that hard anymore.
[09:31] <pishuilu> cyphermox: Hi, can you help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu? The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[09:35] <Sweet5hark> oh, hmm. seems dsa crypto was broken for good by heninger et al.
[09:51] <chrisccoulson> how come we don't have exfat support out of the box? (I just plugged in a brand new micro SD card that comes pre-formatted with exfat)
[09:57] <willcooke> How can I grab a screenshot from lightdm?
[09:58] <duflu> chrisccoulson: Licensing... IIRC
[09:58] <duflu> ?
[09:59] <duflu> Which is amusing given Windows machines are now the only machines that don't support large FAT-32 drives
[09:59] <duflu> I guess the reason is Microsoft wants you using ExFAT
[10:03] <Laney> willcooke: in a VM you can do it from virt-manager
[10:03] <Laney> virtual machine -> take screenshot
[10:05] <willcooke> plan
[10:05] <willcooke> ta
[10:08] <Laney> or else xwd -root after exporting DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY (I think) should do it
[10:44] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - either of you guys know much gstreamer / clutter?  There is a problem causing U8 to hang if you press print screen.  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525285
[10:50] <Laney> willcooke: not loads, is is urgent?
[10:50] <Laney> doesn't seem to be forwarded from that bug at least
[10:50] <willcooke> Laney, there are a couple of people who can take a look who know more, so lets wait and see for now
[10:50] <willcooke> thanks
[10:53] <Laney> willcooke: Would be nice to see it sent upstream - maybe affects wayland too
[10:53] <willcooke> Laney, ack will suggest that once I know who is looking at it
[10:54] <Laney> gstreamer upstream are often good at fixing stuff too ;-)
[10:55] <Laney> otherwise, can try to climb the hill of knowledge
[10:55] <Laney> to gaze upon the fields of englightenmtn
[11:35] <seb128> willcooke, same as Laney, I don't know offhand but I'm happy to have a look
[11:35] <willcooke> thanks seb128 - lets see how Jim gets on
[11:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, dunno but it's annoying, we don't even have working exfat support in the archive, I realized a few days into my holidays that I couldn't copy the photo from my camera on my laptop because of that, exfat-utils didn't work, gives random errors, every few tries I could see the DCIM directory on the card but it never worked good enough to get the content :-/
[11:47] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, welcome back... how was your holidays?
[11:47]  * Trevinho had to take the morning out since recovering from the yesterday's flu :-/
[11:48] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, holidays was great, sunny & warm in Spain, saw some nice cities, had wine&tapas ;-)
[11:48]  * Laney hugs Trevinho (not too close)
[11:48] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, flu, get better!
[11:49] <Trevinho> Laney: lol :-D
[11:49] <Trevinho> seb128: awesome... Was andalusia or where?
[11:49] <Trevinho> seb128: I love spain :-)
[11:59] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Are you working on bug #1623856 right now?
[12:00]  * Laney could fix that quickly
[12:00] <Laney> unless you want the exercise
[12:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so I have a very hackish (but low risk) patch for bug 1527053. What to do with it? 0-day SRU, I guess? Ugly/Hackish in that it hardcodes/special cases Ubuntu themes in the LibreOffice gtk3 backend, because doing generic changes/fix here might break more (themes) as this is one leftover area were LO still "manually" paints widgets imitating gtk, which is fragile.
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Yes I am.
[12:25] <Laney> Rightooooooooooooo
[12:27] <pishuilu> Hi,all. Who can help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu. The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html. Thanks!
[12:32] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry was eating, yes andalusia, Malaga, Cadix, Sevilla, Cordova, etc
[12:33] <seb128> Sweet5hark, your call, how much does it impact default experience? we could probably still justify an upload today
[12:34] <seb128> Sweet5hark, in any case prepare the update and let's upload with a bug reference, that can be converted to a SRU if r-t prefers that
[12:47]  * flexiondotorg goes lunch hunting
[12:56] <willcooke> ooohhhhhhhh kay
[12:56] <willcooke> Looks like I've lost my encrypted swap
[12:57] <cyphermox> davmor2: didrocks: what's with n-m?
[12:59] <davmor2> willcooke: his wifi connection is dying all the while I'm assuming it is a driver based issue maybe but figured you might be able to give him some hints and tips to see if it helps
[12:59] <pishuilu> cyphermox: Hi, can you help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu? The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[12:59] <davmor2> cyphermox: ^ even sorry willcooke
[13:00] <cyphermox> pishuilu: I got it the first time you wrote that, it will be done
[13:00] <cyphermox> davmor2: that would be more likely drivers
[13:02] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeah that's what I thought but didrocks would need to be that one to confirm I can't reproduce it here
[13:02] <pishuilu> cyphermox: OK, thanks very much!
[13:04] <Sweet5hark> seb128: k (sorry for the delay, was in a call). As for impact: I think it will raise severe complains unfixed, but it is a nuisance if it is _temporary_ (one can still read the tab labels with some effort, tabbed dialogs arent used too frequently in a common workflow). but yeah, will prep the package.
[13:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[13:10] <cyphermox> davmor2: ok I'll let him chime in
[13:16] <renato__> dpm, popey, hey guys Do you know why clock app has the snappy related files on github instead of the trunk on lp?
[13:17] <renato__> is this some kind of rule? We are adding the necessary files on trunk for core apps.
[13:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I've been there too a couple of years ago... Awesome cities, delicious food...
[13:21] <seb128> indeed!
[13:26] <dpm> renato__, there is no particular reason other than we added the snapcraft.yaml and other files to the snappy-playpen project in github. The code can go to the clock app trunk, as we did for calculator already
[13:28] <renato__> dpm, will be nice to have the code on trunk, to setup the automatic snappy package build. Or is possible to do that from git?
[13:29] <dpm> renato__, I think it's not possible from git, unless the branch is imported into LP.
[14:23] <seb128> willcooke, did we end up switching the google api key to the new one?
[14:23] <seb128> geoloc seems to still not be working here
[14:23] <willcooke> seb128, yeah it's switched but there are still problems. qengho is chasing up with Google
[14:23] <seb128> which kind? the new one got over quota as well?!
[14:25] <willcooke> its generating thousands of errors still
[14:26] <seb128> :-/
[14:27] <seb128> the graph is interesting
[14:27] <jbicha> seb128: do you mean in Firefox? because FF49 with the change is stuck in proposed because it doesn't build on ppc64el
[14:27] <seb128> still looking at the same url, unsure if that represents the old key
[14:27] <jbicha> for yakkety
[14:27] <seb128> jbicha, I'm using xenial
[14:27] <jbicha> oh right
[14:27] <seb128> also the issue is that our google api key is being spammed
[14:27] <seb128> it goes over the quota and stops working
[14:29] <seb128> willcooke, the graph went down to like 30% of the requests it had, I wonder if whatever is generating the requests is using e.g our firefox package and that the number went down as the machines got updated
[14:30] <seb128> it's a bit crazy that we can't get more info on the issuze
[14:30] <willcooke> that's exactly what qengho is working on, getting someone to tell us what the heck is goingon
[14:30] <seb128> it means basically anyone can DoS the key from somebody else without issue
[14:30] <willcooke> yeah
[14:30] <willcooke> At this point I wouldn't be surprised if its something we're doing wrong
[14:30] <seb128> same
[14:30] <willcooke> but I still hope it's someone spamming us
[14:31] <seb128> it's a bit weird
[14:31] <seb128> the graph has a linear decrease
[14:31] <seb128> it's like machines were upgraded over time
[14:32] <seb128> if that was some script work from somebody I would expect the key to be changed at some point to the new one
[14:32] <seb128> and the old one to stop being used
[14:34] <willcooke> yeah, seems quite sophisticated for someone who just "borrowed" our keys
[14:34] <seb128> yeah
[14:35] <seb128> also it has the exact same sine-wave pattern every day with a spike of successful request at the same time
[14:36] <seb128> well those successful spikes stopped on septembre 28th it seems
[14:36] <seb128> strange
[14:38] <jbicha> well, if it's tied to Firefox installs, maybe it's a misbehaving FF extension?
[14:42] <seb128> jbicha, we don't know what it's tied to, the graph is http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/geolockey.png
[14:42] <seb128> green is the errors, blue is the success
[14:42] <seb128> we don't have details on the caller software, ips, or anything
[14:43] <willcooke> What the heck is using the speech api?
[14:44] <seb128> the wave is a bit too regular for being random webbrowser use I would say
[14:44] <seb128> willcooke, speech?
[15:10] <willcooke> seb128, sorry, missed your comment - what do you mean, like "what is the speech api" or "we are using it for speech"
[15:11] <seb128> willcooke, I didn't understand your "<willcooke> What the heck is using the speech api?"
[15:12] <seb128> I though we were looking at the geoloc one
[15:12] <seb128> I guess some misunderstanding from something I said earlier?
[15:12] <willcooke> seb128, ah right
[15:13] <willcooke> so with the Google API it seems you get "an API" and then you use that API for all GOOG services
[15:13] <willcooke> and as far as I can tell, we shouldnt be hitting the Speech API at all, but yet it shows on the graph that we are
[15:13] <willcooke> I think the limits are per service though, not per key
[15:14] <willcooke> so that in itself isn't killing our location api usage
[15:14] <willcooke> but it looks like it's being used by /something/
[15:14] <willcooke> which is odd.
[15:14] <willcooke> *an API *KEY*
[15:14] <willcooke> *use that API *key*#
[15:17] <Laney> attente: if you're around, could you review that branch I requested you on please?
[15:23] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'#ve been looking at LP: #1623856
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> You said you have a quick fix.
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> I'd be interested to get a hint.
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> Because I've tweaked the "obvious" selectors without success :-(
[15:25] <Laney> flexiondotorg: In the .ui file, set the min-content-height on the scrolled window containing the details textview
[15:26] <Laney> since it's a data file, you can seb128 it up and hack that on the installed package to test
[15:26] <Laney> :-)
[15:26] <flexiondotorg> So your suggesting changing the .ui of the application to resolve this?
[15:26] <Laney> Ya
[15:26] <seb128> :-)
[15:26] <flexiondotorg> Hmmm.
[15:27] <flexiondotorg> So, this issue is not visible using other themes.
[15:27] <flexiondotorg> I was working on a theme change.
[15:28] <Laney> You think it's a general problem with scrolled windows?
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> Well, That was my assumption.
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> Other applications using aptdaemon gtk3 widgets exhibit the same issue.
[15:33] <flexiondotorg> For example the Adwaita, Arc and Ubuntu MATE themes do not exhibit the issue.
[15:40] <Laney> Dunno then
[15:40] <Laney> Use the inspector to find out what property is different
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> I'm starting to thing some from gtk-3.0 is being used.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> *think
[15:49] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Is it because they set a higher min-height on the scrollbar slider?
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> I'll check...
[15:53] <Laney> is canada off today?
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> Laney, minor progress.
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> Looks like scales.
[15:55] <jbicha> Laney: yes, happy Thanksgiving :)
[15:55] <Laney> flexiondotorg: you what
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> scale.vertical slider
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> Not just that.
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> Poking at it.
[15:56] <Laney> scale?!?!
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, http://www.officeholidays.com/upcoming/index.php
[15:56] <Laney> where's one of those?
[15:57] <Laney> seb128: the secretary's list this morning was INCOMPLETE!
[16:02] <willcooke> Sorry Laney :)
[16:03] <willcooke> I'll add that site to my checklist
[16:03] <Laney> haha
[16:04] <Laney> no worries
[16:04] <Laney> I thought they were entered into the website already
[16:04]  * Laney cowboys some uploads in
[16:05] <Laney> davmor2: meow? any chance of a favour?
[16:05] <davmor2> wow Laney is a cat
[16:05] <davmor2> Laney: what's up dude?
[16:06] <Laney> davmor2: can you hack /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop and add OnlyShowIn=Unity8 to the bottom, just check that works properly quickly please?
[16:08] <davmor2> Laney: sure give me 5
[16:09] <Laney> ta duck
[16:14] <davmor2> Laney: I still see it in unity8 and not in unity7 even when naming it fully if that is what you needed to know?
[16:15] <Laney> yeah, it's the same as terminal really
[16:15] <Laney> ta
[16:15] <davmor2> Laney: cool :)
[16:21] <seb128> Laney, thanks for fixing gnome-software on i386 ;-)
[16:21] <Laney> np
[16:21] <Laney> feels like ages ago
[16:34] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1631978
[16:34] <Laney> this is true, and weird
[16:39] <seb128> Laney, is COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE set in the u-c-c env in this case?
[16:39] <seb128> guess not
[16:40] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-control-center-team/unity-control-center/trunk/view/head:/panels/appearance/cc-appearance-panel.c#L1851
[16:40] <seb128> u-c-c needs to write in the right compiz profile, that would be lowgfx on the iso
[16:41] <seb128> but if the env is not set it's going to try to write to the normal profile
[16:41] <seb128> which would lead to that issue
[16:44] <Laney> good knowledge
[16:47] <Laney> nautilus has COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu
[16:47] <Laney> whyyyyy
[16:54] <seb128> Laney, regression from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/4193 ?
[16:54] <seb128> the upstart job used to setenv
[16:58] <Laney> gnome-session has the wrong environment, so I b et it starts nautilus with it wrong too
[17:01] <seb128> right
[17:01] <seb128> those used to be updated by the unity upstart job calling setenv when going in lowgfx
[17:01] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ what that removed in purpose for another way to do the same?
[17:05] <Laney> nah
[17:05] <Laney> this doesn't quite make sense
[17:05] <Laney> I don't think it works on 16.04 with lowgfx either
[17:06] <Laney> because gnome-session starts without knowing which compiz profile is going to be used
[17:06] <Laney> and that is true for upstart and systemd
[17:06] <seb128> but an upstart job calling initctl set-env, as the unity one does, would update their env no?
[17:07] <Laney> it doesn't update the environment of random other processes
[17:07] <Laney> only for ones which get started after
[17:08] <seb128> oh ok, I though it would do for any of the upstart user jobs
[17:08] <Laney> it's one more reason that the ordering matters
[17:08]  * Laney gets a new 16.04 iso to confirm
[17:14] <Laney> yeah, busted there too
[17:15]  * Laney assigns Trevinho ;-)
[17:16] <seb128> heh
[17:16] <seb128> on that note I'm calling it a day
[17:16] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers!
[17:16] <willcooke> night seb128
[17:16] <willcooke> I'm off too.
[17:16] <willcooke> tataa
[17:23] <Laney> me three
[17:23] <Laney> laters
[20:31] <Trevinho> Laney: mhmh, I think we can just apply the setting to both profiles without checking the running one... it would be better also to keep the settings in sync
[20:41] <Laney> Trevinho: As you prefer, I think it could be also fixed by setting the variables earlier in the sequence


[20:45] <KBar> Hi. I'm confident in my shell scripting. How can I find bugs that are specifically related to shell scripts or packages that mostly operate with shell scripts?


[15:53] <venugopal> I am using daemib which is launched using upstart initctl start command. From this daemon I am trying to launch firefox browser with user permission using command "sudo -u <username> xdg-open http://www.google.com"
[15:54] <venugopal> This launching in user mode and everything is fine  on ubuntu 11.04. But on ubuntu 10.04, 10.10 version it is still launching in root mode..
[15:55] <venugopal> Can anyone tell if there is any patch available for these two lower versions..
[15:55] <venugopal> ?
[16:22] <venugopal> can anyone help me with this issue?
[16:44] <JanC> I'm not sure why you need a system job to launch Firefox?  (you probably can't even be sure that there is an X session with that user logged in at that moment?)
[17:15] <venugopal> JanC, This how my daemon works. It is responsible of displaying the basic UI and In this case I am sure that there is an X session with that user logged in..
[17:16] <venugopal> Since this is triggered from user input..
[17:17] <JanC> and the daemon can't run as the user?
[17:19] <JanC> actually, why not let the user process that starts the daemon also start the browser?
[17:20] <venugopal> no daemon can't run as user. since it needs root permissions.
[17:21] <venugopal> but from the daemon I want to launch the browser with user permissions as seperate process..
[17:27] <venugopal> JanC, Is there any way to get this working??
[17:27] <venugopal> But the samething is working finr on ubuntu 11.04 version..
[17:28] <JanC> so how does the user start the daemon?
[17:29] <venugopal> daemon is start by "initctl start" command
[17:30] <venugopal> *started
[17:30] <venugopal> from /etc/init/script
[17:30] <JanC> so why not make a script that runs "initctl start", waits until the daemon is started, then starts Firefox?
[17:32] <venugopal> actuall initctl start is called while installing my debian package in postinst script.
[17:32] <venugopal> firefox is started from daemon when user selects a button in UI displayed by daemon.
[17:33] <venugopal> so I have to launch the firefox from the daemon only..
[17:55] <venugopal> JanC, Any way to fix this?
[17:55] <JanC> ugh
[17:57] <JanC> venugopal: not sure what you are trying to do, but to me it sounds like you try doing things the wrong way...
[18:00] <venugopal> JanC, My daemon is started from init scripst using initctl command, responsible for displaying UI and depending on UI events it wants to launch the firefox with user permission using xdg-open command.
[18:01] <venugopal> Yes, wrong thing here is daemon shouldn't contain any UI.. But that's the way client has request us.. they don't want seperate app for UI.. so we don't other way.
[18:02] <JanC> venugopal: tell them they are nuts  :P
[18:03] <JanC> actually, why does that daemon need root?
[18:04] <venugopal> It is an antivirus software and need root access to monitor the iptable details and monitor applications trying to access internet..
[18:06] <venugopal> but the same logic is working fine on ubuntu 11.04 and only problem is with 10.04, 10.10 versions..
[18:28] <venugopal> JanC, Any pointers?
[18:31] <JanC> yes: use separate programs
[18:33] <JanC> BTW: running GUI apps from postinst scripts is *not done* (because there really is no way to do it properly)
[18:34] <JanC> for example, you don't know which user installed the package, so you can't know on who's display you have to show it
[18:36] <JanC> (if there is an X display at all)
[18:43] <venugopal> but I am sure on whos display I have to show the UI..


[07:56] <ubptgbot> alexcleac was added by: alexcleac
 Hello to everyone. I’ve seen call for testers in https://ubports.com/it/blog/ubports-blogs-news-1/post/ubuntu-touch-q-a-79-3709 … How can I contact a person named Jan so I could participate? 😁
[08:02] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> hi everyone, does anyone know if power management is supported by UT on OnePlus 1? The battery lasts only 24 hours with minimal/normal use. Heavy use: about 12 hours. Now I have a brand new battery in it, I just changed it yesterday, and the same, no improvement. I normally have no app open (but if so, i've noticed no difference),
[08:02] <ubptgbot> wifi, bt and gps all turned off. Only mobile data.
[08:08] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> I have also compared with my not so new iphone 7: both telephones left alone (no use), same place (good mobile network reception), both with gps, bt and wifi OFF. Iphone battery lasts 5 days (!!), OPO with UT: 1-1.5 days 🙁🤔🤔
[08:11] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> sometimes my opo lasts not even a day and sometimes it lasts > 3 days (no use, wifi on). I have no idea what triggers the difference.
[08:12] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> sometimes 'top' shows high load of some process or kernel thingy. and sometimes syslog is flooded
[08:13] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> yes i checked the processes but it all looks "normal"
[08:14] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> it is probably not supported power management....
 @Willem-Jan de Hoog [sometimes my opo lasts not even a day and sometimes it lasts > 3 days (no use, w …], dmesg may be useful
 in my case biometryd and wifi drained baterry
 My phone lasted about ~1 day with screen on and about 12 hours with screen off (yes, off)
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/Q0Ht7fsz.png
 Now it is like this
[08:18] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [<reply to media>], what phone do you have? My wifi is off (i never really use it).
 @Federica Galli [what phone do you have? My wifi is off (i never really use it).], OnePlus 6T
[08:19] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [OnePlus 6T], nice phone. Do you have everything working well on it?
 @Federica Galli [nice phone. Do you have everything working well on it?], Almost, except for anbox and calls hanging sometimes everything is working
[08:21] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [Almost, except for anbox and calls hanging sometimes everything is working], 👍. Anbox doesn't work well yet on many devices. I've also experienced calls hanging at times. Does your camera works?
 @Federica Galli [👍. Anbox doesn't work well yet on many devices. I've also experienced calls han …], Yes, it works well
[08:22] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [Yes, it works well], cool, i should have bought a OP 6t then 😂. With my OP 1 also everything works (apart this couple of small issues) but it's quite old phone.
[08:23] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [Yes, it works well], Do you get good quality photos? the OP1 has a very bad camera.
[08:23] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> (both cameras)
 @Federica Galli [Do you get good quality photos? the OP1 has a very bad camera.], Let me take one and send it to you
 When I used UT as daily driver. I played with different cpu governors and it helped a lot for battery drain. That was with N5. Of course governors must be compiled into kernel..
[08:24] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [Let me take one and send it to you], 👍👍 thank you!
[08:25] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @samitormanen [When I used UT as daily driver. I played with different cpu governors and it hel …], it seems indeed there's an issue like that, "phablet" can use up to 50% cpu at times, for no obvious reason.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/oVK1GTzc.jpeg
 Rear camera
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/OTzGzwkZ.jpeg
 Front camera
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/DXkB8yy4.png
[08:27] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [Front camera], 👍 light is good though 😉. I think iphone camera is better. Nevermind, it's nice that UT works well on it 😃.
 @mrcyjanek [<reply to media>], I'm stuck on 9,7 MP, no idea why.
 It could be 15MP
 @Federica Galli [👍 light is good though 😉. I think iphone camera is better. Nevermind, it's nic …], Yeah, iphone's camera is much better
[08:29] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [Yeah, iphone's camera is much better], Possible iOS does some "real-time" software improvement of the photos.
 @Federica Galli [Possible iOS does some "real-time" software improvement of the photos.], Maybe that, and I think that the camera itself is better on it
[08:32] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [Maybe that, and I think that the camera itself is better on it], Yes iphone hardware is top, iphones can last 10 years no problem.
 @Federica Galli [Yes iphone hardware is top, iphones can last 10 years no problem.], They could longer if they would receive updates for longer
[08:33] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [They could longer if they would receive updates for longer], Exactlty 🙈🙈
 I have (not mine) 10 years old ipad with 64gb storage and 3GB of ram, but it is not usable because no app is working on it :/
[08:34] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> I'm keeping an eye on Volla phone as future decently priced linux phone. I hope they will get power management working.
 @Federica Galli [I'm keeping an eye on Volla phone as future decently priced linux phone. I hope …], It has nice look and not bad hardware
 It looks exactly like oneplus 6t
[08:37] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @mrcyjanek [It looks exactly like oneplus 6t], Indeed 😂
 @Fuseteam [only in landscape mode tho], That's the way video's should be seen. The other way is playing with nature. Vertical videos need cease to existe.
[09:20] <ubptgbot> pedro4286 was added by: pedro4286
[09:36] <ubptgbot> <Getta Shu Hong> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/PhQ70C30.gif
[11:30] <ubptgbot> jaack08 was added by: jaack08
 Can I remove anbox shortcuts or it will delete anbox
 Uninstall the app in settings
 Oh so you can delete system apps?
 I dont think that removing shortcuts is persistant
 @TigranKhachatryan [Oh so you can delete system apps?], Disable them
 Oh
[12:46] <ubptgbot> <E S> so @mrcyjanek is the Oneplus 6t fully mature for UT?
 @E S [so @mrcyjanek is the Oneplus 6t fully mature for UT?], Not fully mauture, but fully daily drivable (if you don't run a big business and having to call somebody back because telephone app have crashed is a problem)
[13:06] <ubptgbot> <E S> not sure if you've used a nexus 5, is the oneplus compareable with that device as far as functionality is concerned?
 Do we have any browser capable of signing in to gitlab atm?
 Error: https://del.dog/theamonopa.txt … fixup-mountpoints: https://del.dog/ticyphecuy.sh
 can someone help me out?
 getting errors with fixup-mountpoints
 using halium-9.0
 are you porting?
 yeah
 sry wrong group
 @halium and @ubports_porting might be more useful for you yes
 [Edit] @halium and @ubports_porting might be more useful for you yeah
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 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/xWAYIjGM.png
 If I run dpkg or apt, I get read-only filesystem error. What I should  do?
 You should not use apt
 system is read-only for stability
 otherwise, create a container with Libertine and install some apps on it
 Hello Everyone. I got myself a Nexus 5, installed Ubuntu Touch on it, and am enjoying it so far. However, it would be nice to be able to run Minecraft on it. Does anybody think that mcpelauncher could be ported to Ubuntu Touch?
[17:31] <ubptgbot> Varga István was added by: Varga István
 @KDEUser [Hello Everyone. I got myself a Nexus 5, installed Ubuntu Touch on it, and am enj …], it's java right? might be possible but likely won't perform well
 It's the Bedrock version.
 C++
 what does it use to render?
 No notes?
 It uses OpenGL ES.
 @jaack08 [No notes?], no such bots, we're not that kind of group. group description has enough in it
 @KDEUser [It uses OpenGL ES.], could maybe be ported to use mirclient/wayland to get a surface then
 On my desktop Linux laptop, I can run Minecraft Bedrock version using this tool called mcpelauncher. It takes the Android version from the Google Play store and replaces the android libraries with free software linux libraries. Here is the link if anybody is interested: https://mcpelauncher.readthedocs.io/en/latest/#
 or if it uses sdl2 it should be doable for sure
 @dohbee [no such bots, we're not that kind of group. group description has enough in it], Hmm okay
 Can i share a video on ub port then?
 [Edit] Can i share a video on ub port then? 😬
 you want to post a video here? or you are running UT on your phone and want to share a video on a website from it somehow?
 @dohbee [you want to post a video here? or you are running UT on your phone and want to s …], I made a video on how to flash ub port on lavender and want to share it here 😬😬
 oh is that one of the halium 9 GSI builds?
 @dohbee [oh is that one of the halium 9 GSI builds?], Yes ig 🤔 Halium 9 is for pie na? Idk the Halium version exactly but i used on android pie and i saw that Halium 7 is for older then android 9
 yes, halium version matches android version
 @dohbee [yes, halium version matches android version], Oh okay 😁
[18:08] <ubptgbot> <Jeroen Bozz> was halium
 probably better to share your video in https://t.me/ubports_porting though, as halium 9 GSI stuff isn't ready for prime use and use with the installer yet.
 It's difficult to know what underlying technologies Minecraft uses, since it's proprietary. I know the open-source mcpelauncher uses qml.
 @KDEUser [It's difficult to know what underlying technologies Minecraft uses, since it's p …], does it work under a wayland only session (ie, with xwayland not running or available to run)?
 Yes, it works on Wayland
 @dohbee [probably better to share your video in https://t.me/ubports_porting though, as h …], Okay 👍
 I installed the package plasma-workspace-wayland on Ubuntu 20.04, and I am running the Mesa driver.
 Thank you for your help @dohbee. I'm continuing this discussion on the UBPorts Forum: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4590/minecraft-bedrock-on-ubuntu-touch
 ok
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[00:22] <aim1159> anybody ruling locobot here?
[00:23] <aim1159> need to ask if it is possible to turn on the timestamps on some channel (particularly #ubuntu-ru)
[00:24] <LjL> aim1159: better luck asking in #ubuntu-eu methinks
[00:24] <LjL> they were the ones running them, last i checked
[00:24] <aim1159> LjL: thank you
[00:25]  * aim1159 just don't understand why privacy overleads the conflict managmenet comfotness...
[00:27] <LjL> *shrug*
[09:36] <Garfeild> any irc ops here?
[09:37] <Myrtti> do you mean network staff?
[09:37] <Garfeild> yeap
[09:38] <Myrtti> probably yes, but if you could tell your issue, we could figure out if non-staff people could help you?
[09:39] <Garfeild> may i use your private?
[09:40] <Myrtti> sure
[11:00] <jester-> hi
[11:22] <bazhang> hi
[14:14] <MTecknology> "These people have requested an Ubuntu cloak on freenode and have gotten one."
[14:14] <MTecknology> That's pretty bad english
[14:14] <Myrtti> MTecknology: hum?
[14:15] <Myrtti> whatwhere
[14:15] <MTecknology> "These people have requested an Ubuntu cloak on freenode and have been given one."
[14:15] <MTecknology> :)
[14:15] <Myrtti> url or it didn't happen
[14:15] <MTecknology> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks
[21:24] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, larsemil said: !sågmyra is <reply> En fantastiskt fin liten ort i falu kommun, Dalarna, Sverige
[21:29] <Myrtti> :-D


[15:25] <kenvandine> kgunn, any status update on mouse settings?  bill said that's something we need for 9.5 and we're still blocked on the shell work
[15:32] <kgunn> kenvandine: for mouse settings there is nothing blocking...
[15:32] <kgunn> one sec
[15:32] <kenvandine> kgunn, i meant it's blocking the mouse panel in system-settings
[15:33] <kgunn> kenvandine: right, there is nothing blocking...fwd'ing you an email that andreas wrote sometime back (but you're not on :)
[15:33] <kenvandine> kgunn, we need the shell work to land which includes the gsettings schema
[15:34] <kgunn> kenvandine: i thot with input the link was with u-s-c over dbus and no shell interaction ?
[15:35] <kenvandine> greyback said we needed a shell piece
[15:36] <kenvandine> and the gsettings schema will live in the shell
[15:36] <kenvandine> kgunn, check with greyback, i'm sure he can explain it better
[15:37] <kenvandine> kgunn, basically u-s-c provides a dbus api, but the shell needs to configure u-s-c on startup based on per-user settings
[15:37] <kenvandine> i think the u-s-c api is done, we just need the shell to configure u-s-c based on gsettings
[15:41] <kgunn> kenvandine: ack...btw, we're at a sprint together...so slow on pings


  GF disapproves :(
[13:01] <BeckySanderlin`x> actually.. long story short.. Im having Sound Issues
[13:01] <BeckySanderlin`x> and its effecting everything now
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> What issues?
[13:01] <BeckySanderlin`x> it was isolated just to the game and Mangler
[13:01] <BeckySanderlin`x> but now its affecting flash and local mp3
[13:02] <BeckySanderlin`x> well, the sounds skip or dont get played at all
[13:02] <SamuraiAlba> which OS?
[13:02] <BeckySanderlin`x> and video skips
[13:02] <BeckySanderlin`x> or runs at double time
[13:02] <BeckySanderlin`x> 10.10
[13:02] <BeckySanderlin`x> it used not to do it, but that was before i installed pulse audio
[13:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> it was removed eariler in the year when i first installed 10.10
[13:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> due to this exact issue
[13:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> but the program requires PulseAudio
[13:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> :(
[13:04] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-all-pulseaudio-related-issues.html
[13:04] <PennBot> Title: Howto solve all PulseAudio-related issues in Ubuntu | Ubuntu Geek (at www.ubuntugeek.com)
[13:04] <SamuraiAlba> Might help :)
[13:04]  * SamuraiAlba is good at GoogleFu :)
[13:04]  * SamuraiAlba dances
[13:04]  * SamuraiAlba wants nachos now
[13:05] <SamuraiAlba> Does that help, any?
[13:10] <SamuraiAlba> I just googled, quickly.  I have a knack for finding quick solutions, in most cases.
[13:16] <BeckySanderlin`x> dont know yet. made pop tarts and oj
[13:17] <SamuraiAlba> oooh
[13:17] <SamuraiAlba> I'm making chicken enchiladas and rice.  at 8:17am
[13:19] <andrew> mroning
[13:22] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[13:23] <BeckySanderlin`x> funny..
[13:24] <BeckySanderlin`x> the link you gave SamuraiAlba...
[13:24] <BeckySanderlin`x> 1. its for older version of ubuntu
[13:24] <SamuraiAlba> poop
[13:24] <BeckySanderlin`x> 2. it requires me to remove pulseaudio
[13:24] <BeckySanderlin`x> Enter the following commands:
[13:24] <BeckySanderlin`x> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio
[13:24] <BeckySanderlin`x> so in essence..
[13:25] <SamuraiAlba> poop
[13:25] <BeckySanderlin`x> the fix for pulseaudio is to get rid of it..
[13:25] <SamuraiAlba> :O
[13:25] <SamuraiAlba> that's...4
[13:25] <SamuraiAlba> stinky
[13:25] <BeckySanderlin`x> but
[13:25] <BeckySanderlin`x> it works
[13:26] <BeckySanderlin`x> video is correct speed, flash plays music.. now to see if game works right, then to Mangler
[13:31] <SamuraiAlba> working?
[13:40] <BeckySanderlin`x> Well..
[13:40] <BeckySanderlin`x> game sound is working..
[13:40] <BeckySanderlin`x> but Mangler is not
[13:41] <BeckySanderlin`x> so now i have to Wine+Vent which is a hassle.
[13:41] <BeckySanderlin`x> i give up.
[13:41] <SamuraiAlba> Which game?
[14:08] <BeckySanderlin`x> Well. Any native game
[14:08] <BeckySanderlin`x> for linux
[14:08] <BeckySanderlin`x> i wanted to see how well they are
[14:08] <BeckySanderlin`x> if not, then ill have to go back to Wine+Steam
[16:23] <ChinnoDog> So, after all that work I did to install Ubuntu on my work laptop and run Server 08 as a VM... I wiped it all out last night. It was just way too slow.
[16:23] <ChinnoDog> virtualization--
[16:25] <ChinnoDog> I need a laptop with two entire computers built into it
[16:26] <JonathanD> I need a laptop that runs ESX, with a "graphical terminal" for viewing the VMs
[16:26] <ChinnoDog> You can install ESX onto unsupported hardware if you add the driver
[16:26] <JonathanD> So basically what you said, I guess, except the machine that owns the "screen" only has to act as a viewer.
[16:26] <ChinnoDog> But, I don't think it will be very convenient on a laptop.
[16:26] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: ESXi doesn't display VMs.
[16:26] <ChinnoDog> ah right
[16:26] <JonathanD> theres no way to view them locally
[16:27] <ChinnoDog> I had Xenclient installed on the laptop. That was fast, but no linux support!
[16:27] <JonathanD> a "viewer" that could run on ESXi would make that model awesome ;)
[16:27] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: maybe we could make something.
[16:27] <ChinnoDog> I briefly tried an experiment on my desktop at home to run ESXi and assign the video card to a VPC but that didn't work.  The latency is bad.
[16:29] <JonathanD> I dream of virtualization at night.
[16:30] <ChinnoDog> I dream of better written software so you don't have to virtualize.
[17:02] <SamuraiAlba> http://truthfulobfuscation.blogspot.com/
[17:02] <PennBot> Title: Networking, Network Security, Technology, and Truth (at truthfulobfuscation.blogspot.com)
[17:50] <ChinnoDog> hi SamuraiAlba
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> SamuraiAlba: why did you change your nick?
[17:55] <SamuraiAlba> I no longer DJ
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> Why not?
[18:01] <SamuraiAlba> Just... meh
[18:01] <SamuraiAlba> Got bored of being an online DJ
[18:01] <SamuraiAlba> And SamuraiAlba sounds cool.  Maybe I'll go to Blackhat some day
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> I'm going for my assoicate in applied science degree for network security, then bach., then masters, then doc.
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> Gonna start work after Associates
[18:03] <SamuraiAlba> What have you been up to?  I updated my wiki and launchpad.
[18:04] <ChinnoDog> Work, work, and more work.
[18:05] <SamuraiAlba> What field?  Where?
[18:06] <SamuraiAlba> Downloading Debian atm.  So much fun...
[18:06]  * SamuraiAlba chokes teh webernets connection at this place
[18:08] <waltman> All you need is a basic boot image, and then you can apt-get the rest.
[18:09] <SamuraiAlba> I'm downlaoding all.  V M time :)
[18:12] <SamuraiAlba> https://launchpad.net/~ashnarofsargeras
[18:12] <PennBot> Title: /dev/n00b in Launchpad (at launchpad.net)
[18:13] <SamuraiAlba> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevNoob
[18:13] <PennBot> Title: DevNoob - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> SamuraiAlba: I work in customer support at a small software company.
[18:28] <andrew> Type of software?
[18:28] <ChinnoDog> ERP
[18:29] <ChinnoDog> (I know, that is pretty broad...)
[18:29] <andrew> actually, my mind quickly went to "oh god, another acronym"
[18:29] <andrew> Then my browser went to google
[18:45] <ChinnoDog> The short answer: ERP (enterprise resource planning) software is generally defined as a framework with assorted applications that are able to share data with each other.
[18:48] <andrew> aka, internet
[18:55] <ssweeny> more like how you can generate a graph in excel and have word import it and screw up the formatting
[18:56] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[18:57] <ChinnoDog> Yes, only more integrated so you can spread the fail around faster.
[18:57] <ChinnoDog> (At least, with Word...)
[19:40] <SamuraiAlba> Dont get me started on Word
[19:40] <SamuraiAlba> Damn thing locks solid whenever I change the page to landscape.
[19:58] <ChinnoDog> It was never stable enough in Wine for me to use it
[19:58] <ChinnoDog> I only use on Windoze
[20:00] <erstazi> ChinnoDog: my business is ERP development (:
[22:54] <MutantTurkey> o/
[23:07] <maco> two more weeks, then i'll be back to living in PA full time again *sigh*
[23:09] <MutantTurkey> two more weeks and it will be BREAK :D :D
[23:09] <MutantTurkey> i also just got my first gig! so everyone should go.
[23:11] <pleia2> maco: no sigh! you can get things going around pittsburgh :)
[23:12] <maco> there's an active lug there full of ubuntu and slackware users
[23:12] <maco> oh wait bethlynn joined fedora...
[23:12] <pleia2> there was one release party where the lug and loco collaborated, but nothing since
[23:12] <maco> oh i can just imagine how i will be swept into "you must do thingies for olf!!!" if im living that close to bethlynn...
[23:13] <pleia2> hehe
[23:13] <maco> by the way: lugs_that_require_driving_to_get_to_meetings--
[23:14] <maco> (dclug = get off the metro at farragut west or farragut north or foggy bottom and then walk 3-5 blocks)
[23:14] <maco> hmm....or dupont circle
[23:55] <jthan> Long time no see, everyone
[23:56] <jthan> How are we all?


[15:36] <gf2> Hello. I am attempting to pass a bug upstream to Mozilla regarding a Thunderbird enhancement request made through Launchpad. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/379015
[15:36] <gf2>   I have found a duplicate in Mozilla Bugzilla:     https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235956
[15:37] <gf2> But the Mozilla bug is listed as resolved fixed (I think it simply expired).   Do I reopen this bug or file a new one?