[00:00] <kubotsu> so the answer is i HAVE to redownload the .iso again in order to seed it .. the end
[00:00] <jhutchins_wk> wiggmpk: I think I've mostly used ktorrent.
[00:00] <wiggmpk> jhutchins_wk: your right..  sorry
[00:00] <jhutchins_wk> kubotsu: No, of course not, otherwise nobody could start a torrent.
[00:00] <shwaiil> jhutchins_wk: I runned the command but because I've got windows in the boot, this didnt run fsck ...not sure if because of that
[00:00] <wiggmpk> kubotsu: you have to create a .torrent file
[00:00] <mc3apps> QUIT
[00:00] <Ice_Strike> Should all the downloaded files go to /usr/src for compiling?
[00:00] <jhutchins_wk> kubotsu: Your google-fu is weak.
[00:01] <kubotsu> we are getting somewhere i guess.. but transmission doesnt seem to have a 'create torrent file' option
[00:01] <buenouanq> yes it does
[00:02] <jhutchins_wk> kubotsu: According to this, File/Create Torrent.
[00:02] <buenouanq> ^
[00:02] <wiggmpk> kubotsu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7582444&postcount=4
[00:02] <wiggmpk> jhutchins_wk: think I linked the same post your probably reading
[00:02] <buenouanq> Actually, on mine, it's File->New...
[00:03] <kubotsu> alright, that seems about right..
[00:03] <Hearthstone> hello everybody. i have a problem with the menue bar on the top of the screen in unity (ubuntu 12.04). the menue only stay open, when i hold the left mouse button. Its possible to change that, that the menue will stay open after one left mouse click (and close after another)?
[00:03] <Ben64> kubotsu: are you trying to create a torrent or seed it?
[00:03] <Kentrel> I have drives set to automount at startup, yet I need to click on the drives in a file manager before I can access them
[00:04] <escott> Kentrel, set up to automount on what mountpoint and setup how (in fstab?)
[00:04] <PadNet_201> How do i delete a file in linux that's too large for the trash?
[00:05] <Ben64> PadNet_201: shift+delete or use rm in the terminal
[00:05] <Kentrel> nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-sow
[00:05] <escott> PadNet_201, shift-delete
[00:05] <PadNet_201> thx
[00:05] <Kentrel> show*
[00:05] <kubotsu> Ben64: create to seed
[00:06] <Ben64> kubotsu: that makes no sense
[00:06] <buenouanq> Installation problems on a Macbook5,1
[00:06] <buenouanq> Can get to GRUB just fine with the options:
[00:06] <buenouanq> -Try without install
[00:06] <buenouanq> -Install
[00:06] <buenouanq> -OEM install
[00:06] <FloodBot1> buenouanq: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:06] <buenouanq> -Check disc for defects
[00:06] <escott> Ice_Strike, no. compile as non-priv user in your $HOME then install to /usr/local
[00:06] <kubotsu> that's cause YOU dont understand. the provided link explains , go read
[00:06] <Ben64> kubotsu: no, i understand fine
[00:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Here's a wild one: Is there any way to install a *buntu ISO into a blank partition *without* the aid of live media or Wubi?
[00:07] <SonikkuAmerica> (Well, Ubuntu from an ISO, not the actual ISO itself)
[00:07] <Ben64> SonikkuAmerica: dd
[00:07] <elky> SonikkuAmerica, PXEboot
[00:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Ben64: Which works in Windows?
[00:07] <TreceX> hola
[00:07] <SonikkuAmerica> and elky ^^
[00:07] <kubotsu> Ben64: obviously you dont.. my answer is all here whether you think you understand my issue or not : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7582444&postcount=4
[00:07] <Ben64> SonikkuAmerica: nevermind, your 2nd line messed up my answer
[00:08] <wiggmpk> kubotsu: so your good to go then?
[00:08] <TreceX> alguien habla español o portugues?
[00:08] <kubotsu> wiggmpk: yes, that worked out
[00:08] <Ben64> kubotsu: they already have ubuntu torrents, why create a new one without any peers on it?
[00:08] <elky> SonikkuAmerica, PXEboot happens when you boot, but you need it set up on your network. you select usually f12 and you get a menu of images to install fro
[00:08] <elky> from*
[00:08] <kubotsu> Ben64: let it go . its all good now
[00:08] <buenouanq> Installation problems on a Macbook5,1.  Can get to GRUB just fine with the options: -Try without install -Install -OEM install -Check disc for defects
[00:09] <SonikkuAmerica> elky: OK...
[00:09] <buenouanq> Selecting any of these leads to a blank screen, then some lines of various colors appear at the top.  Please help.  Any ideas?
[00:09] <Ben64> kubotsu: well you're asking silly questions. seeding and creating are much different
[00:09] <Ben64> to seed the iso, all you need is the already created torrent file from ubuntu.com, and the iso
[00:10] <wiggmpk> Ben64: technically you dont need the .torrent file once its already loaded in your torrent client
[00:10] <cheetah100> nzoss
[00:10] <kubotsu> right, which means you only have half the information to properly understand my issue which was already resolved by wiggmpk 's link
[00:10] <Ben64> wiggmpk: then you still need it...
[00:10] <kubotsu> move on
[00:11] <wiggmpk> Ben64: no... you dont.. i never have and never will download .torrent files.. they only need to be opened in the torrent client.. as long as the torrent stays active in your client.. you continue to seed the files
[00:11] <Ben64> wiggmpk: thats crazy. "you don't need the torrent file if you already have it"
[00:11] <SonikkuAmerica> elky: Actually, I found a tutorial using EasyBCD, but thanks for the net boot option.
[00:12] <wiggmpk> Ben64: if you already have the active torrent in your client.. you dont need the .torrent client
[00:12] <wiggmpk> err file
[00:12] <Ben64> that means you already have it
[00:12] <Ben64> :|
[00:12] <wiggmpk> Ben64: no, it just means the tracker knows where I am cause im seeding
[00:12] <Ben64> you clicked it, therefore you downloaded it and opened it in the client. you do indeed have the torrent file
[00:12] <buenouanq> anyone?
[00:13] <wiggmpk> Ben64: i welcome you to search my laptop for a .torrent file
[00:13] <jhutchins_wk> wiggmpk: It's probably hidden.
[00:13] <SonikkuAmerica> elky: Apparently EasyBCD can add ISO booting to the Windows MBR so one can boot CDs directly at the Windows bootloader. Then I won't have to worry about it when GRUB overwrites the MBR on the other partition (hopefully).
[00:13] <wiggmpk> jhutchins_wk: no, its not
[00:14] <Ben64> its definitely there, it's not magical
[00:14] <SonikkuAmerica> provided the other partition is primary.
[00:14] <Ben64> either in memory or on disk, it exists
[00:14] <kubotsu> Ben64: the question was 'how to create a .torrent file from within transmission'. thats all
[00:14] <jhutchins_wk> wiggmpk: Likely in a hidden .directory for your torrent client.
[00:14] <kubotsu> you're drowning yourself
[00:14] <wiggmpk> Ben64: if it was in memory it would vanish on a restart
[00:14] <Ben64> then its on disk
[00:14] <wiggmpk> jhutchins_wk: i know what a hidden directory is.. its not there
[00:15] <wiggmpk> in fact, transmission gives you the option to move .torrent files to trash after they are added
[00:15] <jhutchins_wk> Quick! To the retistry!
[00:15] <Ben64> Feb 18 2013 15:49:48 <kubotsu>	let me rephrase, do i have to re-download the .iso in order to seed?
[00:15] <Ben64> the question was how to seed
[00:15] <BaconAttack_> wiggmpk transmission stores your .torrents in a hidden folder
[00:15] <jhutchins_wk> wiggmpk: You really misunderstand the process.  If you open a torrent file, it has been downloaded.
[00:16] <kubotsu> Ben64: read between the lines ?
[00:16] <BaconAttack_> wiggmpk    just check   ~/Library/Application Support/Transmission/torrents/.
[00:16] <Ben64> kubotsu: my irc client lacks the ability to read minds, sorry
[00:16] <jhutchins_wk> wiggmpk: Anything you open or display locally is downloaded one way or another.
[00:17] <wiggmpk> BaconAttack_: that directory doesnt exist on my system
[00:17] <BaconAttack_> then how does transmission function
[00:17] <jhutchins_wk> wiggmpk: Your torrent client could conceivably store it as something other than a torrent file, but it's there somewhere.
[00:17] <ifoney> Hello folks. I have a dell server which needs tg3.ko module to get the network card to work, i am running 10.04 and I am able to load the driver manually but it does not load up on boot .... any ideas?
[00:17] <escott> ifoney, /etc/modules
[00:17] <holako> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAldzcyqtMY
[00:17] <ifoney> I added the driver in /etc/modules ... no joy :(
[00:18] <jhutchins_wk> ifoney: /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.conf or /etc/modprobe.d
[00:18] <kubotsu> Ben64: wiggmpk 's apparently can..
[00:18] <BaconAttack_> wiggmpk im just assuming you are using transmission as i saw it somewhere before in the chat after a quick scroll. go to "Go to Folder" and get to that transmission folder
[00:18] <BaconAttack_> you wont see it by default just by clicking into your hdd
[00:18] <wiggmpk> BaconAttack_: are you on a Mac?
[00:19] <BaconAttack_> yes
[00:19] <BaconAttack_> oh damnit
[00:19] <BaconAttack_> why did i think you said mac
[00:19] <wiggmpk> BaconAttack_: which is not Ubunut... so again.. that directory doesnt exist on my system
[00:19] <jhutchins_wk> ctcp BaconAttack_ version
[00:19] <BaconAttack_> disregard
[00:19] <BaconAttack_> comepletely my bad. i thought i saw mac
[00:20] <ifoney> jhutchins_wk : I checked mobprobe blacklist, its not in the blacklist and i added it in /etc/modules
[00:20] <judgen> I have a precise cd, but how do i figure out if it is i386 or amd64 by just looking at the files?
[00:20] <Ben64> wiggmpk - the torrent does exist, you don't have to believe it, but its true
[00:20] <ifoney> jhutchins_wk: still does not load
[00:21] <wiggmpk> jhutchins_wk: not that I want to encourage this discussion any further, but for lol's I just did a comprehensive search of my laptop for any .torrent files.. they are not here mate.. sorry
[00:21] <wiggmpk> Ben64: tell me where it's at then Ben
[00:21] <judgen> darn it was i386
[00:21] <Ben64> i don't use your system, so idk
[00:21] <BaconAttack_> ~/.transmission/torrents/     ?
[00:21] <woofer> i am trying to install a ati video driver.   i extracted the tar.gz,   then i when in, did ./configure   - it did it's thing, now i try make   - it says 'no targers specified and no makefile found. stop.
[00:22] <holako> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAldzcyqtMY
[00:22] <woofer> there is a makefile called makefile.am and makefile.in
[00:22]  * that4chanwolf pets buenouanq
[00:22] <Hilikus> is there any way to get the inode of a "locate" result? i don't know what to pipe locate to
[00:22] <buenouanq> Should I ask again?
[00:23] <escott> Hilikus, stat
[00:23] <wiggmpk> Ben64: ok then
[00:23] <Hilikus> escott: doesnt work
[00:23] <judgen> i am going through my unmarked cd's and now i have found every version of ubuntu from 5.* to 12.* without finding the x64 disk...
[00:23] <Hilikus> escott: it just says missing file
[00:23] <Hilikus> stat: missing operand
[00:24] <buenouanq> Installation problems on a Macbook5,1.  Can get to GRUB just fine with the options: -Try without install -Install -OEM install -Check disc for defects
[00:24] <buenouanq> Selecting any of these leads to a blank screen, then some lines of various colors appear at the top.  Please help.  Any ideas?
[00:24] <jrib> buenouanq: you downloaded the special image for macs?
[00:24] <escott> Hilikus, you probably have to play around with xargs or do it as stat `locate foo`
[00:24] <escott> Hilikus, stat doesn't take from the pipe its for single file usage
[00:25] <buenouanq> there's a special image?...
[00:25] <jrib> buenouanq: releases.ubuntu.com
[00:25] <buenouanq> Well now I just feel stupid.
[00:25] <buenouanq> thank you.
[00:25] <jrib> buenouanq: you're using 12.10?
[00:25] <buenouanq> yes
[00:26] <buenouanq> with Xfce
[00:26] <jrib> buenouanq: yeah, see here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[00:26] <buenouanq> assuming there'll be one on the Xubuntu site too?
[00:27] <swordz> Hi. I'm currently running 12.10. I've got 2 monitors, one of which is 1900 pixels wide. If I turn on my second, Unity 3D claims that my monitors need to fit into a box 2048*2048, and my monitors don't. In 12.04 I fixed this by using Unity 2d, which I can't in 12.10. For the last 4 months I've had my second monitor turned off, expecting that this would be fixed at some point soon. As it hasn't been, any pointers to get it working? I'm having no success so fa
[00:27] <swordz> r...
[00:27] <MAL0>  error 132 by upping wlan0, can someone help me ?
[00:28] <jrib> buenouanq: I don't see one :x  You might try to see if the special ubuntu one actually works.  And if it does, then you can just install xubuntu-desktop.  If you really don't want the default ubuntu stuff also on there, then I guess you have to figure out why the xubuntu image doesn't work :)
[00:28] <buenouanq> Sounds good.
[00:28] <jhutchins_wk> ifoney: Make sure you got the format right in modules - you may need to alias it to eth0.
[00:28] <buenouanq> Thank you very much.
[00:28] <woofer> why do i have a Makefile.in and a Makefile.am   ?   i want to 'make' this install. i can't.
[00:29] <jrib> woofer: what are you installing?
[00:29] <woofer> jrib,  a ati vid driver.
[00:29] <jrib> !ati | woofer
[00:29] <woofer> huh? i downloaded it from some ubuntu page, now it's time to install it.
[00:29] <jhutchins_wk> wiggmpk: You are welcome to your ignorance, but you should realize that some of the people trying to explain things to you here are responsible for having helped develop the things they're trying to explain.
[00:29] <jrib> woofer: did you read the link ubottu gave?
[00:30] <wiggmpk> jhutchins_wk: k, thanks
[00:30] <woofer> jrib,  i am reading now...
[00:31] <woofer> jrib,  i feel i will have to kill the flrx thingy though...
[00:31] <s4lt> hi
[00:33] <manou> Hi!
[00:33] <manou> I need to put the mouse pointer for a given user transparent, know if this is possible?
[00:33] <manou> I'm trying to make a kiosk mode
[00:33] <MAL0> hello &
[00:33] <MAL0> ?
[00:34] <s4lt> µ
[00:35] <ifoney> jhutchins_wk : Ahh .... Forgot about that !! .. will try it out ... thanks !
[00:36] <manou> and i need to hide de cursor
[00:37] <Kentrel> Why is it that my drives aren't "mounted" until I click on them in Dolphin or Nautilus? They're set to automount in Fstab
[00:38] <jrib> Kentrel: pastebin your fstab
[00:38] <Kentrel> ok
[00:39] <woofer> jrib,  the amd website is being useless. i have a very old laptop. i need the driver for it. it can't find it on amd's website.
[00:39] <woofer> jrib,  it is a radeon IGP320M
[00:40] <lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1> lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1: hello
[00:40] <lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1> magnus__: hello
[00:40] <jrib> woofer: I've never used ati; I only know what's on the wiki
[00:40] <Kentrel> jrib, actually according to fstab they're not, but they are in "mount options" of Disks
[00:40] <lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1> takenori: hello
[00:40] <lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1> doomperdicion: hello
[00:40] <lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1> i20x539: hello
[00:41] <jrib> Kentrel: as far as I know, you need to add them to fstab if you want them mounted at boot
[00:41] <woofer> great...
[00:41] <jrib> woofer: does it not currently work as is?
[00:42] <Giddeon> when I type the "mail" command, I get a list of messages with data in columns.  I can't find documentation on that the columns mean; most are obvious but there a couple that aren't clear.   I installed the binary Catalyst driver, installed, at the end "No protocol specified." printed to the screen twice and that was it. Rebooted, get to login, enter password hit enter, then goes back to login screen. I am baffled.
[00:46] <Ben64> if you can ssh, you can internet
[00:46] <Ben64> woofer: anyway, it looks like theres 2 makefiles, one for intel, one for amd
[00:47] <lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1> lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1: 1
[00:47] <Ben64> woofer: wait ignore that, its wrong
[00:47] <MAL0> can i get some help ?
[00:47] <MAL0> PLZ
[00:47] <bekks> Ben64: Thats not true. Having a box allowing incoming ssh, does not mean having a box thaht allows outgoing http.
[00:47] <Ben64> bekks: it means you can
[00:47] <jrib> woofer: scp the file to your system and then pastebin it?
[00:47] <bekks> No.
[00:48] <lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1> lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1: 1
[00:48] <Ben64> bekks: yes.
[00:48] <bekks> Ben64: It entirely means you can ssh into it. Having a firewall, whatever, it does not mean you can http.
[00:48] <Ben64> lasdkjfhoqi3yrq1: stop
[00:49] <PadNet_201> malo, ask a specific question, don't ask to ask
[00:49] <woofer> this is just stupid. i search for my video card. - a IGP320M  on amd's website. and nothing comes up.
[00:49] <jrib> Giddeon: I don't know, but which aren't you sure about? :)
[00:50] <MAL0> ok, im trying to : ifconfig wlan0 up
[00:50] <jrib> woofer: have you considered that amd may on longer support it?
[00:50] <MAL0> but it says error 132
[00:50] <woofer> jrib,  so they delete the old driver for the thing?
[00:50] <Giddeon> jrib: the main one is a column that has output that looks like 21/885
[00:51] <MAL0> it was working westerday ...
[00:51] <Giddeon> jrib: err, 21/855
[00:51] <jrib> Giddeon: my guess is lines/size of some sort
[00:51] <ivorybishop> Also, when I log into the machine via command line I see "No protocol specified." twice and then "xdpyinfo unable to open display ":0.0".
[00:52] <Giddeon> jrib: thank you
[00:52] <jrib> Giddeon: it's a good question, I'm not sure where it's documented
[00:53] <mobodo> can I reinstall ubuntu while keeping my local configuration files?
[00:53] <mobodo> right now it won't reboot, but I have tons of small changes in /etc for instance
[00:54] <PadNet_201> I doubt you'll be able to keep your config
[00:54] <mobodo> if I install from the livecd on partition that already has an install, will it prompt me when it wants to overwrite a file that I have modified like it does for upgrades?
[00:55] <MAL0> Error 132 when im upping my wlan0... help
[00:55] <Ben64> mobodo: you'll probably end up with a more broken system if you try something like that
[00:56] <blah> How do I partition my disk when I use a ubuntu server disk. When I choose "manual" partitioning -> "Create a partition table" on my disk. How do I choose my boot,/,/var ...etc partition sizes?. When i choose "create a partition" it lets me choose the size but I dont have an option to pick if the size is for "/" or "/boot"
[00:56] <mobodo> Ben64: and I guess there is no "repair" option where ubuntu would just look for essential files and make sure they are there and working, huh?
[00:57] <MAL0> Error 132 when im upping my wlan0... help
[00:57] <Ben64> !patience | MAL0
[00:58] <kubotsu> mobodo: installing from livecd will give you about 3 options: fresh install, install along the existing system and another option i dont recall.. it wont do 'system restore' functions
[00:58] <Ben64> mobodo: you could reinstall things with apt-get, but its probably all those changes you did in /etc that made it unable to reboot. you should backup and install fresh
[00:59] <Volta> interesting
[01:00]  * PadNet_201 strokes his beard
[01:00] <mobodo> Ben64: I'm in the process of applying a backup, that's what's so annoying, it's my backup that doesn't work :(
[01:01] <jrib> Giddeon: enjoy: http://mailutils.org/manual/html_section/mail.html (scroll to "headline") :)
[01:01] <mobodo> ohhh… does ubuntu mount using unique ids for HD? If I changed my hard drive, I'd have to update it in the boot partition?
[01:01] <escott> !uuid | mobodo
[01:02] <kubotsu> that's why installing the system with a separate /home is good practice for folk with large amounts of personal data
[01:02] <astroidus> May I also write in german here ? Think no !?
[01:02] <Ben64> !de | astroidus
[01:03] <astroidus> Thank you very much !
[01:03] <astroidus> #ubuntu-de
[01:03] <pooltable> help installed libreoffice 4.0?
[01:04] <dr_willis> theres ppa's for it i belive pooltable
[01:04] <pooltable> ppa?
[01:04] <mobodo> kubotsu: my /home and most of my data is on a RAID1 partition, so it's fine :)
[01:05] <dr_willis> !ppa
[01:05] <crypticmofo> hi all
[01:05] <crypticmofo> i heard about unbuntu for android
[01:06] <crypticmofo> can i download it ?
[01:06] <pooltable> LibreOffice PPA that one ?
[01:06] <jrib> Giddeon: actually, this is probably a better place to point (but they say the same thing): http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx/mailx.1.html
[01:06] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132837/how-do-i-install-the-latest-stable-version-of-libreoffice
[01:06] <dr_willis> crypticmofo:  not at this time i belive..
[01:06] <crypticmofo> wow
[01:07] <crypticmofo> dr_willis, it looks awesome
[01:07] <dr_willis> Ill belive in it when i see it.
[01:07] <kubotsu> your nick isn't
[01:08] <pooltable> LibreOffice PPA that one ?
[01:09] <kubotsu> pooltable: you have to find the address to the ppa in question then add it to your Sources. thought i'd mention that...
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[01:09] <mobodo> ergh… great, the livecd does not fit on a 700MB cd anymore… :P
[01:09] <dr_willis> pooltable:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/132837/how-do-i-install-the-latest-stable-version-of-libreoffice
[01:09] <dr_willis> 12.10 is a live dvd
[01:10] <kubotsu> yup, over 700mb.. but there are 800mb cd's too
[01:10] <dr_willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/its-official-the-ubuntu-livecd-is-dead
[01:12] <revupdev34> I am trying to do something super simple. Using 12.4 Natty and the cd command seems to not work anymore
[01:12] <kubotsu> such a 'waste' to have to use a dvd but , you can only have one 'livecd' system per disc anyway  :-P  unless am missiong something..
[01:12] <revupdev34> WHY?
[01:13] <dr_willis> most people use USB flash drives these days
[01:13] <PadNet_201> yep
[01:13] <dr_willis> !12.04
[01:13] <revupdev34> in command line I simple type sudo cd/var/www
[01:13] <revupdev34> sudo: cd/var/www: command not found
[01:13] <dr_willis> revupdev34:  perhaps if you put a space in there where it belongs?
[01:13] <Pagos> hey guys, I'm having some troubles getting sound to work on a thinkpad T40 with lubuntu 12.04
[01:13] <PadNet_201> revupdev34, check alias?
[01:13] <dr_willis> and using cd with sudo is meaningless.
[01:14] <m1dn1ght> Hi guys - I'm having some trouble getting sound to play through my hdmi cable (ATI card to TV). I read I should ensure I am using the up-to-date proprietary driver, but when I open "additional drivers" it just tells me there are none in use on the system but doesn't list any I can choose to enable. Am I missing something? (Using 12.04)
[01:14] <escott> revupdev34, sp aces a re impo rtant
[01:14] <revupdev34> dr_willis: space after cd?
[01:14] <PsyCl0ne> Hi everyone, I enabled nvidia drivers on a new 12.10 install and now when the computer boots I only have a flashing cursor
[01:14] <revupdev34> usually I put a space
[01:14] <revupdev34> like sudo cd /home
[01:14] <dr_willis> revupdev34:  err... yes.. your paste did not show a space..
[01:14] <dr_willis> and again.. sudo cd   -> rather meaningless command
[01:14] <revupdev34> or... sudo cd /Desktop
[01:14] <escott> revupdev34, and as dr_willis mentioned sudo cd is meaningless. as cd is a builtin
[01:15] <escott> so even with the space it will still fail
[01:15] <Pagos> I'm having some troubles getting sound to work on a thinkpad T40 with lubuntu 12.04. Anyone know what to do?
[01:15] <MoPac> [Sorry for re-asking, bad connection] I have a question about whether an unmounted encfs folder is at risk of exposure if it has the same password as a mounted one. Would this be a good place to ask, or is there a better room?
[01:15] <revupdev34> cd /Desktop
[01:15] <revupdev34> bash: cd: /Desktop: No such file or directory
[01:16] <escott> revupdev34, ~/Desktop is not the same as /Desktop
[01:16] <dr_willis> sounds correct.. theres shouldent be a /Desktop directory
[01:16] <Pagos> MoPac, why are you using the same password for both?
[01:16] <dr_willis> you might want to read up on some bash tutorials.
[01:16] <dr_willis>  ~/Desktop  is very differnt from /Desktop
[01:16] <revupdev34> I did not put a ~ in there?
[01:16] <MoPac> Pagos: It's a Boxcryptor folder with subfolders. It's simple to just mount a subfolder rather than the whole thing, but I'm wondering if it's more secure. All subfolders will have the same password
[01:16] <escott> MoPac, having the same password anywhere makes possible some attacks that would not otherwise be possible. so yes
[01:17] <revupdev34> do you see a ~?
[01:17] <dr_willis> revupdev34:  and as we said.. there should NOT be a /Desktop
[01:17] <revupdev34> dr_willis: is your name John btw?
[01:17] <revupdev34> John Willis?
[01:17] <dr_willis> revupdev34:  /home/user/Desktop     = ~/Desktop
[01:17] <escott> revupdev34, no i dont see a ~. thats why I brought it up
[01:17] <MoPac> escott: I guess I understand that it's possible in principle (i.e., sidechannel attack on the RAM, etc).  But I'm wondering if it's plausible -- i.e., could a piece of malware do it, or a person sitting at the computer, etc
[01:17] <Pagos> MoPac, yeah I figured. It might compromise it, but you might want to check with people who know more about it
[01:18] <Pagos> I'm sorry I can't help you, MoPac
[01:18] <MoPac> I assume the plaintext password, or the private key itself, is cached in RAM, but I don't know if that means it's easy for a user or su to call out
[01:18] <Pagos> I'm sorry I can't help you, MoPac
[01:18] <escott> MoPac, the passphrase is used to symmetrically decrypted a longer key which is then used to do all the other encryption. so the password usage is really minimal in ecrytpfs
[01:18] <Pagos> I'm having some troubles getting sound to work on a thinkpad T40 with lubuntu 12.04. Anyone know what to do?
[01:18] <escott> MoPac, its just for unwrapping the true passphrase
[01:18] <MoPac> escott: Right, see above -- I guess the question si really thtat the folders have the same private key, and that private key is cached for one that is mounted
[01:19] <MoPac> But I don't know if that means that it's trivial, or still very hard, for a user to actually moun the second folder
[01:19] <MoPac> *mount
[01:19] <revupdev34> escott: cd /Desktop   always worked fine for me
[01:19] <escott> MoPac, if two directories have different keys then the fact that passphrase 1 and 2 are both used to decrypt the same key would seem to be minimal risk, but im no cryptographer and i'm confident there is AN attack
[01:19] <dr_willis> revupdev34:  there should not be a /Desktop directory on a Normal ubuntu install.
[01:20] <dr_willis> users data files are in their Home directory
[01:20] <revupdev34> I have cd'ed directories hundreds of times and cannot understand why it is not working as it always has
[01:20] <revupdev34> dr_willis: that is not correct
[01:20] <escott> revupdev34, then you have misconfigured your computer. I suggest you move the /Desktop folder to the correct location and rm -rf /Desktop afterwards.
[01:20] <revupdev34> if you are referring to Ubuntu Desktop version
[01:20] <escott> !fhs | revupdev34
[01:20] <revupdev34> or do you mean Ubuntu Server OS?
[01:21] <m1dn1ght> No desktop folder should ever be stored in the root directory, which is what you're saying if you could cd to /Desktop
[01:21] <MoPac> escott: They have the same key as well as the same password.  It's just one boxcryptor folder -- normally the subvolders aren't even recognized by cryptkeeper. But if you copy the encfs file from the main folder into subfolders, you can mount them individually.  That seems like a clever solution to give extra security to folders that have more sensitive data and rarely need to be mounted
[01:21] <Pagos> I'm having some troubles getting sound to work on a thinkpad T40 with lubuntu 12.04. Anyone know what to do?
[01:21] <MoPac> but I'm not sure if that's stupid
[01:21] <jrib> revupdev34: you probably used "cd ~/Desktop" or "cd Desktop" while you were in your HOME
[01:21] <dr_willis> !sound
[01:22] <revupdev34> jrib: that is correct
[01:22] <PadNet_201> Pagos, which audio server are u using?
[01:22] <jrib> revupdev34: ok so do that
[01:22] <revupdev34> Desktop dir is in Home of course
[01:22] <escott> MoPac, it sounds like a bad idea
[01:22] <dr_willis> revupdev34:  /Desktop is NOT in your home directory. its a full path
[01:22] <revupdev34> AH!
[01:22] <Pagos> PadNet_201, how do I know?
[01:22] <revupdev34> I do not need the /
[01:22] <revupdev34> haha
[01:22] <dr_willis> bash basics...
[01:22] <MoPac> escott: Do you know who would be a good person to ask? The encfs people? A crypto room?  I appreciate your help
[01:22] <revupdev34> not sure why I was putting that in there
[01:23] <giiker> anyone can help on how to patch a drive?
[01:23] <giiker> anyone can help on how to patch a driver?
[01:23] <PadNet_201> giiker, use zypper
[01:23] <m1dn1ght> Hi guys - I'm having some trouble getting sound to play through my hdmi cable (ATI card to TV). I read I should ensure I am using the up-to-date proprietary driver, but when I open "additional drivers" it just tells me there are none in use on the system but doesn't list any I can choose to enable. Am I missing something? (Using 12.04)
[01:23] <Pagos> PadNet_201, I assume the default one in lubuntu 12.04
[01:24] <Physicist> Greetings.. I just install the new driver amd. However, there was a security update for a new linux image, should I upgrade after installing the driver?
[01:24] <PadNet_201> Pagos, hit alt + F2, type phonon, it should bring up a dialog to edit your sound prefs
[01:24] <revupdev34> dr_willis:   John?
[01:24] <escott> MoPac, only person i know of who works on this is dustin kirkland. it obvious there is an attack if you use the same key. i dont understand why you would want such a configuration. ecryptfs was designed to handle multiple keys
[01:24] <dr_willis> m1dn1ght:  whats your exact chipset?
[01:24] <cfhowlett> !md5sum
[01:24] <m1dn1ght> dr_willis - ATI Radeon HD 4850
[01:24] <Pagos> PadNet_201, it said "no such process."
[01:24] <MoPac> escott: It's so that I can keep compatibility with all the other platforms that use Boxcryptor
[01:24] <Pagos> PadNet_201, er, no such program. sorry
[01:25] <giiker> PadNet_201: something easier? itś just a file thatś part of a source I gotta patch, I read I can do it manually, but want to make sure I'm ddoing it right
[01:25] <dr_willis> m1dn1ght:  you could check the hardware lists to see what drivers support that card. or just install the fglrx drivers and hope they work. I dont keep track of what ati cards are supported these days
[01:25] <escott> MoPac, what is this "Boxcryptor"
[01:25] <m1dn1ght> dr_willis - you're saying just install them from the command prompt?
[01:26] <pooltable> well dr wills thanks i have 3.6 not 4.0 yet and did it through cli but better then what i had so thnas
[01:26] <PadNet_201> Pagos, try running zypper -pch
[01:26] <revupdev34> dr_willis: I thought you were a hardware expert???
[01:26] <MoPac> escott: https://www.boxcryptor.com/
[01:26] <Physicist> Greetings.. I just install the new driver amd. However, there was a security update for a new linux image, should I upgrade after installing the driver?
[01:26] <revupdev34> you must not be the same Dr. Willis I know
[01:26] <revupdev34> LoL
[01:26] <dr_willis> m1dn1ght:  thats all the gui tools do.
[01:26] <phunyguy> So I am guessing proxy support in Ubuntu is incomplete... I have to proxy everything at work, and we have all the proxies set up, and when adding them to Ubuntu, some services still don't connect (facebook and twitter over gwibber, and AIM over empathy...)
[01:26]  * dr_willis is a Dr of Love.
[01:27] <Pagos> PadNet_201, zypper not found either
[01:27] <escott> MoPac, you should take this up with boxcryptor themselves
[01:27] <revupdev34> to all:  How can I use dual NVIDIA cards on Ubuntu 12.4 LTS Desktop?
[01:27] <m1dn1ght> so is it just as simple as installing the 'fglrx' package with apt-get?  Or do I need to configure it according to my hardware
[01:27] <revupdev34> I have two Nvidia Quadro 2000 cards but they are not being detected
[01:27] <dr_willis> revupdev34:  if they use the same nvidia driver. you should be able to just plug them, all in, run nvidia-settings and configure them
[01:28] <revupdev34> I tried to plug in a second monitor to be sure but it seems that only one of them is working
[01:28] <MoPac> escott: There's no native Linux boxcryptor program: but since what they do is encfs or encfs-compatible, on Linux I can just use cryptkeeper to open the folders
[01:28] <k1ng> what is the best video and audio player for ubuntu?
[01:28] <Pagos> k1ng, that's incredibly subjective
[01:28] <m1dn1ght> k1ng - I use vlc for video
[01:28] <revupdev34> thanks dr_willis  I will try that now
[01:28] <k1ng> and what should i get 12.04 LTS or latest version?
[01:28] <escott> MoPac, all they are going to do is sync the .Private folder and share the keyfile in a sidechannel right
[01:28] <Pagos> !polls | k1ng
[01:28] <escott> ?
[01:28] <MoPac> So for these purposes, the fact that the folders are created by Boxcryptor is the reason why I want to have multiple mounts with the same key, but not really relevant to the security outcome - it's just encfs
[01:29] <dr_willis> k1ng:  depenbds on your needs
[01:29] <Physicist> dr_willis, I do not know if do you have doctorate, but, can you help me? Greetings.. I just install the new driver amd. However, there was a security update for a new linux image, should I upgrade after installing the driver?
[01:29] <PadNet_201> Pagos, Not really sure then, find your software installation utility and download PulseAudio, that's my only recommendation
[01:29] <m1dn1ght> dr_willis - so is it just as simple as installing the 'fglrx' package with apt-get?  Or do I need to configure it according to my hardware
[01:30] <dr_willis> m1dn1ght:  all ive ever really done was install the proper drivers and rebooted
[01:30] <m1dn1ght> dr_willis - so, 'apt-get install fglrx' and then a reboot?
[01:30] <revupdev34> is there a good app I can run to be sure OpenGL is functional on both cards?
[01:31] <revupdev34> what is the command again? GLXspheres?
[01:31] <Pagos> PadNet_201, I have installed pulseaudio via apt, what do I do now?
[01:31] <escott> revupdev34, is this some kind of crossfire configuration?
[01:31] <PadNet_201> Pagos, configure Phonon with your preferred sound device, check your volume levels and output devices, and it should work
[01:32] <Physicist> Pagos, You should include in the autostart and remove the old software, like alsa, And is good install the plugins.
[01:33] <PadNet_201> I've had good luck w/ pulseaudio once i figured it out
[01:34] <revupdev34> escott: no it is not SLI as they are Quadro cards
[01:34] <Pagos> I'm still not getting sound
[01:34] <revupdev34> professional grade Quadros do not have SLI
[01:35] <Giddeon> jrib: thank you for the mailutils link!  that solved it
[01:36] <PadNet_201> Pagos, no sound at all or no sound from an audio file?
[01:36] <ImEunify_> im back. i try booting ubuntu that i have on a usb with my mac. but everytime it gives me 'Non-System File' 'Press Any Key To Reboot'
[01:36] <PadNet_201> and did you logout and back in
[01:36] <Jofironses> Does someone know what a desktop shell is?
[01:36] <Pagos> PadNet_201, no sound at all
[01:36] <deeprogram> hi ? I have program with network
[01:37] <Physicist> Bye.. Exiting without support again.
[01:37] <PadNet_201> Pagos, have you logged out and back in, or restarted after installing pulse audio?
[01:37] <deeprogram> I get "no network devices available"
[01:37] <PadNet_201> Pagos, and did you remove alsa as well?
[01:37] <deeprogram> did you have same program before ?
[01:38] <Pagos> PadNet_201, I have not as I have a critical process running right now... I will log out and back in when that is done
[01:38] <Physicist> dr_willis, You are one of the most able to help.
[01:38] <PadNet_201> Pagos, yea that is necessary i believe
[01:38] <Jofironses> I was checking this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_%28computing%29 out but could not understand why Unity is a shell while KDE for example is not
[01:38] <Physicist> Thank you anyway.
[01:39] <Pagos> PadNet_201, okay. I will come back once this process is done
[01:40] <escott> Jofironses, yeah some of those seem a bit ill defined
[01:40] <Jofironses> indeed
[01:40] <escott> Jofironses, traditionally a pure WM just handles the windows and does not dictate any auxilarly programs that make a "desktop environment"
[01:41] <Physicist> escott, Exist problem install updates after ATI driver?
[01:41] <escott> Jofironses, they seem to be using the term "shell" to indicate the a window manager that is integrated into a desktop environment, but is not the official/primary wm for that desktop
[01:41] <Physicist> kernel updates..
[01:42] <escott> Jofironses, but if that is the case I would think that E17 is in the wrong section. it should be either a WM or a desktop but its certainly not a shell in that sense
[01:42] <shwaiil> Q: One user account is corrupted, probably something todo with $HOME. Sound device is not available etc. I've run fsdk but it couldn't fix. I don't know what else to do. Ive created a new account and maybe I can just move files around, or should I use the liveCd to reinstall ubuntu 12.10 ? Thanks for looking!
[01:42] <Jofironses> I see
[01:42] <ImEunify_> can someone tell me why i keep getting "Non-System File Press any key to reboot" when i try to boot liveusb on a mac
[01:42] <escott> Jofironses, in the end its  a meaningless distinction
[01:42] <Jofironses> Well, thanks for clearing that up :)
[01:42] <jbroome> ImEunify_: i'm guessing it's because your liveusb isn't set up correctly
[01:42] <deeprogram> I download ubuntu server version from "http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?distro=server&bits=64&release=latest" but I get it "ubuntu-12.10-server-amd64.iso" Why amd64 ?
[01:43] <DaemonicApathy> Because it is the 64-bit version, deeprogram.
[01:43] <jbroome> deeprogram: well, the "bits=64" part of the url seems to indicate taht's what you wanted
[01:43] <ImEunify_> jbroome: whats the correct way to set up the liveusb
[01:43] <cfhowlett> deeprogram, amd64 is the nomenclature for the 64 bit version ... nothing to do with AMD
[01:43] <Jofironses> escott: Still, unity is a desktop environment isn't it?
[01:44] <jbroome> ImEunify_: Not sure, i just diagnose the errors
[01:44] <escott> Jofironses, i would say unity is a desktop environment built off of the gnome3 foundation.
[01:44] <ImEunify_> jbroome: hmm alright thanks.
[01:44] <DaemonicApathy> I would say Unity is mainly a panel.
[01:44] <deeprogram> cfhowlett: thank you, I got it :)
[01:45] <Jofironses> all right, got it
[01:45] <CheBuzz> Ok.  I have a questoin.  I need to windows remote desktop to a box on a separate network.  I have a server on that network VPN into a different server.  I also can SSH into the non-windows box.  Anybody know the port-forwarding SSH magic to let me remote desktop into that machine?
[01:45] <escott> Jofironses, ie Unity is not "just a window manager" (in fact compiz is still the window manager) nor is it "just a launcher" and you would not use it without all the associated gnome programs. that makes it a desktop environment as opposed to a pure window manager like blackbox
[01:45] <DaemonicApathy> CheBuzz: Forwar port 22.
[01:46] <DaemonicApathy> Scratch that, thinking ssh.
[01:46] <DaemonicApathy> CheBuzz: You might want to ask in a windows channel.
[01:46] <CheBuzz> Oh wow, there are windows IRC channels?
[01:46] <DaemonicApathy> Of course.
[01:46] <ImTheDude> how do i get face book to post pics ?
[01:47] <DaemonicApathy> ImTheDude: How would we know? We only know Ubuntu.
[01:47] <CheBuzz> Didn't know that.  But it's not windows that I need.  I need to somehow port forward with SSH so to my Linux server on that network so that my local machine can remote desktop into the Windows server on that network.
[01:47] <DaemonicApathy> CheBuzz: Using what program?
[01:47] <ImTheDude> i can't get the face book in my linux to upload picture to face book im running ubuntu
[01:47] <CheBuzz> SSH, preferably.
[01:48] <shwaiil> when running fsck I got something like UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY (i.e., without -a or -p options)
[01:48] <CheBuzz> Every other port is closed off.  My only way into that network is through SSH to the Linux box.
[01:48] <escott> shwaiil, have you checked your SMART status
[01:48] <cfhowlett> ImTheDude, this is not facebook support...
[01:48] <Jofironses> escott: Something I still didn't understand correctly, is it not metacity the display manager of unity? Or maybe it is only for unity 2d?
[01:49] <shwaiil> escott: tks for looking. I didnt found that option, I had run ubuntu or install ubuntu, I went to install and I had the option to check the partitions and stuff so I wasnt sure what to do
[01:49] <escott> Jofironses, for 2d they might use metacity (in fact gnome2 uses metacity for 2d)
[01:49] <shwaiil> was there to check the SMART status ?
[01:49] <PatrickDickey> Hi everyone. I've got a couple of questions about Grub, that the HowTo pages don't answer. I have a LVM set up on my other partition (running Fedora). So, when I do update grub, will it automatically load the LVM modules, or do I need to preload them? I'm basing the question on an error I was receiving about using the device mapper flag, and this link:http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#Booting_from_LVM_Logical_Volumes (which I
[01:49] <PatrickDickey> realize is for Gentoo, but it's the only thing I'm finding).
[01:49] <DaemonicApathy> CheBuzz: Are you planning on using a GUI, or a command line?
[01:49] <escott> shwaiil, "disk utility" will have a SMART status button
[01:49] <deeprogram> hi ? Can I re-install ubuntu and keep user data ?
[01:49] <PatrickDickey> deeprogram: Did you create a separate /home partition?
[01:50] <cfhowlett> deeprogram, if your users data is in a separate /home partition, yes
[01:50] <Jofironses> escott: Ok, thanks again :)
 Commandline to launch rdesktop.
[01:50] <shwaiil> escott: disk utility. ok i'll reboot and try to find that tks
[01:50] <deeprogram> yes
[01:50] <escott> shwaiil, reboot?
[01:51] <escott> shwaiil, how are you logged into the system right now
[01:51] <DaemonicApathy> CheBuzz: Ok then, the only port forwarding that I know would be needed is port 22 for SSH. Beyond that, no clue.
[01:51] <jimi_> I installed the RTS5229 driver, modprobed' it, saw  it loaded in dmesg, but when insert a sd card, nothing is mounted and i dont see any new entries in /dev/sd*
[01:51] <shwaiil> escott: created a new acc, im admin
[01:51] <escott> shwaiil, ok. (a) NEVER fsck a running disk
[01:52] <escott> shwaiil, (b) you can just run "disk utility" right now
[01:52] <shwaiil> yeah try to remember the name of the disk utility Ive installed before, i'll do that
[01:52] <PatrickDickey> shwaiil: In the menu, it's called Disk or Disks (not Disk Utility).
[01:53] <shwaiil> PatrickDickey: thank you
[01:53] <PatrickDickey> shwaiil: no problem.
[01:54] <deeprogram> cfhowlett: thank you ! the /home mounted on /dev/sda1
[01:54] <shwaiil> escott: SMART self test ?! its running
[01:54] <cfhowlett> deeprogram, congrats!
[01:55] <escott> shwaiil, you should not need to run the self test. you just need the smart attributes
[01:55] <shwaiil> escott: my SSD is fine but the optical drive has errors in the read error rate
[01:56] <shwaiil> overal "Disk is OK, one failing attribute is failing"
[01:56] <escott> shwaiil, what is the "Overall Assessment" for the disk
[01:56] <escott> shwaiil, what attribute is failing
[01:56] <shwaiil> read error rate value 120760591
[01:56] <escott> shwaiil, could be a loose connector or bad cable
[01:57] <shwaiil> escott: this all started when I boot the computer and ubuntu seemed to be failling to mount the disk
[01:57] <shwaiil> I rebooted the computer and thats when I corrupted that user
[01:57] <shwaiil> the disk is not mounted though..but the user acc is corrupted
[01:57] <belundger> i would like to write a bash script to add multiverse to the end of each repo entry to sources.list, what would be the most elegant way to do this?
[01:58] <memand> when using rtorrent, is there a way to download a torrent to a different dir than the one that is set in the .rtorrent.rc ?
[01:58] <mobodo> I'm a bit confused - I think my system is not booting the right root (/) - is that set in grub or somewhere else on the boot partition?
[01:58] <holstein> shwaiil: maybe just remove or move the user config files out of the way
[01:58] <shwaiil> holstein: how to do that ?
[01:58] <ImEunify_> if anyone wants to try out 13.04 and cant find it here it is. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:58] <escott> shwaiil, not sure what to make of a high read error rate without remapped sectors but that could be a physical failure
[01:59] <mobodo> (it boots grub fine, but hangs right after doing just a few initializations steps when I choose to boot)
[01:59] <digitalfiz> hey guys I cant get the ubuntu cps to boot on my new gateway :( its a gateway dx4380g. I've tried 12.10, 12.04 and 12.04 alt with no go
[01:59] <jrib> ImEunify_: please don't paste that here.  You can discuss 13.04 while it's still being developed in #ubuntu+1
[01:59] <holstein> shwaiil: you will see them in the /home of the user account that is "corrupt".. some of them are in ~/.config ...others are in their own, like ~/.mozilla
[02:00] <fishtech> Hello!
[02:00] <cfhowlett> fishtech, greetings
[02:01] <shwaiil> holstein: rename it for example and then try to login to that user acc ?
[02:01] <shwaiil> escott: looks like the disk is failling the self test
[02:01] <fishtech> Never used a IRC really. Thought I would load it up and see what happens.
[02:02] <holstein> shwaiil: im assuming you have confirmed the issue is the user account.. when you say its corrupted, i assume you can login normally as another user
[02:02] <holstein> shwaiil: if the drive is failing, that is likely the issue...
[02:02] <cfhowlett> fishtech, general chitchat is in #ubuntu-offtopic  actual ubuntu support is here.  If you have  a specific question or contribute an answer, please submit.  otherwise, you are invited to read and learn.
[02:03] <shwaiil> holstein: I can login normally as another user, I can login to that "corrupt" account, for example the icon on the top right corner for the sound is displaying as if there was no sound, but there is actually. skype doesnt work though, or the list of devices doesnt exist really.
[02:03] <fishtech> Ah, ok. I'll go that channel, Thank you.
[02:03] <shwaiil> in the other acc everythings fine
[02:03] <holstein> shwaiil: so, blow out the user config, and test..
[02:03] <shwaiil> holstein: ok, after that if everything ok what can I do ?
[02:04] <deeprogram> hello ? can I install ubuntu from disk ISO ?
[02:04] <holstein> shwaiil: i usually keep the .config files, and put the ones i need back, carefully and one at a time, to find out which is bad
[02:04] <cfhowlett> deeprogram, explain ...
[02:04] <dr_willis> deeprogram:  you can set up grub2 to boot an ISO file.. if thats what you mean
[02:04] <bean__> deeprogram, you'll need to put it on some sort of external media.
[02:05] <shwaiil> oh ok cool Ill try to do that thanks holstein and thanks escott
[02:05] <shwaiil> I'll do that now, test it.
[02:05] <bean__> or maybe i'm wrong, if what dr_willis says is true
[02:05] <deeprogram> dr_willis: hmm, good idea
[02:05] <cfhowlett> deeprogram, check out pxe boot methods
[02:05] <dr_willis> you dont use tools like  deamontools or other mounters to install ubuntu..
[02:07] <isaias> can i install flash on this?
[02:08] <cfhowlett> isaias, this what?
[02:10] <dr_willis> watching HULU in flash right now... on  my 12.10 box.
[02:11] <holstein> !flash
[02:11] <holstein> isaias: ^
[02:13] <Fjodor3000> hey guys, i've got quite an odd (at least it seems odd to me) problem: thinkpad x230, 80GB windows7 NTFS partition, the rest of the 256GB ssd is unallocated. i prepared a usb stick with ubtunu 12.10. the install routine doesn't show me the 'install ubuntu alongside windows' option. the partitioning overview just gives me the full 256GB as one partition that's free, so only /dev/sda with 256GB free space shown. which is obviously n
[02:13] <Fjodor3000> but nautilus shows me my windows partition and can access it
[02:13] <Fjodor3000> what can i do?
[02:13] <k-stz> Anyone got 12.04 with radeon hd 6670 running?
[02:14] <cfhowlett> Fjodor3000, had the same issue.  my previous hackintosh required a gpt partition scheme and ubuntu didn't see it.  converting the gpt to mbr got me going.
[02:15] <cfhowlett> Fjodor3000, but I was on an HDD not ssd...
[02:15] <escott> Fjodor3000, its an efi issue
[02:15] <escott> Fjodor3000, your efi bios is probably booting the usb stick in efi mode but the ssd in bios emulation mode
[02:16] <Fjodor3000> hmm well, that would be very odd, because i deactivated efi completely
[02:16] <texla> Ubuntu-12.04..full install on a flash drive...no more install button...anyway to install from flash drive to hard drive ??
[02:16] <escott> Fjodor3000, accordingly the disk is partitioned in msdos format, but the installer sees that as non-bootable and expects a gpt partition
[02:16] <cfhowlett> Fjodor3000, deactivate not remove ...
[02:17] <cfhowlett> texla, check system > settings for Install Ubuntu
[02:17] <Fjodor3000> cfhowlett: deactivate, not remove - what?
[02:17] <cfhowlett> Fjodor3000, I think escott has the better explanation
[02:17] <Fjodor3000> ok
[02:18] <id10t> gonna temporarily switch back to ubuntu to try steam w/ no fuss/muss.  anyone have issues w/ 12.04 AMD64 and Steam?  or should I just go 32bit all the way?
[02:18] <Fjodor3000> escott: how can i convert the partioning?
[02:18] <escott> Fjodor3000, windows wont boot if you do. just change the boot preferences to boot the usb in the correct mode
[02:19] <dr_willis> 64bit 12.10 - steam - works here
[02:20] <Fjodor3000> escott: as i said, i deactivated efi completely, so i'm pretty sure i'm booting in legacy mode
[02:20] <escott> Fjodor3000, and what you are describing is completely consistent with your usb stick booting in efi mode
[02:20] <escott> Fjodor3000, check does /sys/firmware/efi exist?
[02:20] <texla> cfhowlett, No button in dash or system settings
[02:21] <escott> Fjodor3000, it might be /sys/firmware/uefi or something so just check that firmware directory
[02:21] <Fjodor3000> escott: i'm on the windows right now
[02:21] <Fjodor3000> but i'll check
[02:22] <Fjodor3000> there's one difference in my bios settings between now and half a year ago, when it easliy worked with 12.04: i had booth uefi and legacy activated half a year ago, with priority on legacy mode
[02:23] <cfhowlett> texla, I can't tell you exactly where to look as I'm on Xubuntu not ubuntu.  Your install option is there somewhere.  ask in this channel.
[02:24] <Fjodor3000> be right back ;)
[02:24] <eoss> hi, iptables is not saving restoring. i downloaded iptables-persistent and am saving rules in /etc/iptables/rules
[02:25] <eoss> can anyone offer any help? im on 12.04
[02:26] <eoss> sorry, 10.04
[02:27] <bean__> eoss, considered using UFW?
[02:27] <eoss> bean__: is there a non-gui of it
[02:27] <corneliusbennedi> out of curiosity is there a way to search for a certain user?
[02:28] <dr_willis> search where?
[02:28] <bean__> eoss, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[02:29] <corneliusbennedi> im looking for a friend using a certain nickname but not sure what channel to look in
[02:29] <bean__> corneliusbennedi, call him?
[02:29] <Fjodor3000> ok, here i am on 12.10 live
[02:29] <dr_willis>   /whois nickname
[02:29] <corneliusbennedi> lol ok what i was thinking
[02:30] <eoss> bean__: its gonna terminate my ssh connection just to activate it..would rather stick with iptables
[02:30] <Fjodor3000> escott: this is my /sys/firmware directory: http://www.abload.de/img/screenshotfrom2013-029grto.png
[02:30] <bean__> eoss, valid. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo seems to be a decent explanation
[02:31] <eoss> bean__: been through all of that..not working at all im going to try one more time before throwing my machine out the window
[02:31] <code-ph0y> hey guys can someone give me a tutorial on getting java jdk?
[02:32] <holstein> !java
[02:32] <Fjodor3000> escott: and here is my partition: http://www.abload.de/img/screenshotfrom2013-02xqsal.png
[02:32] <bean__> eoss, okay, and your rules are in /etc/iptables/rules?
[02:32] <Fjodor3000> i checked my bios, it was on legacy only, i changed it to "both" with priorities set to "legacy first", so i should be fine i suppose!?
[02:36] <Comeonbady> quit
[02:36] <eoss> bean__: yep, and it overwrote my iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules with this http://pastebin.com/BYrxn4A8
[02:36] <Comeonbady> what
[02:37] <bean__> Comeonbady, the command is /quit
[02:37] <bean__> eoss, yeah, that looks right
[02:37] <Comeonbady> OK
[02:37] <eoss> bean__: but i then do iptables -L and my rules don't show up.
[02:37] <bean__> eoss, all i see in your rules file is some accepts
[02:38] <bean__> nothing specific to ports or anything
[02:38] <eoss> bean__: had -A INPUT -s <an ip> -j DROP before i saved it.
[02:38] <eoss> in the rules file
[02:38] <bean__> eoss, well, re-add that and re-iptables -save
[02:39] <bean__> eoss, is this on a server? or a desktop w/ network manager?
[02:39] <eoss> bean__: VPS
[02:40] <bean__> eoss, you should be able to iptables-restore </etc/iptables/rules
[02:40] <bean__> once you have it
[02:40] <bean__> to restore
[02:40] <dumb_dumb> i`m using Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-34-generic-pae i686)
[02:40] <dumb_dumb> but I can`t update the kernel to the latest
[02:41] <Fjodor3000> thanks for your help, bye folks!
[02:41] <bean__> dumb_dumb, why not?
[02:41] <dumb_dumb> i got an error saying  No space left on device
[02:41] <dumb_dumb> No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already
[02:42] <bean__> dumb_dumb, is your /boot full?
[02:42] <dumb_dumb> how to chek it?
[02:42] <dumb_dumb> i`m new in linux
[02:42] <bean__> on a terminal df -h
[02:42] <dumb_dumb> yes it seems full
[02:42] <Volta> test, test..
[02:42] <dumb_dumb> any solution to clear it?
[02:42] <dr_willis> 1+1. 2+2
[02:43] <dr_willis> clean out unneeded files
[02:43] <dr_willis> apt-get clean, apt-get autoremove ,
[02:43] <dumb_dumb> already used that command but it`s not working
[02:44] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/31667/what-does-no-apport-report-written-because-maxreports-is-reached-already-mean
[02:44] <dr_willis> figure out whats taking up so much space.
[02:44] <dumb_dumb> i have to delete all the log there?
[02:45] <tangomike> dumb_dumb: open terminal, type df -h, tell us what it says
[02:45] <dumb_dumb> it say /dev/sda1             228M  221M     0 100% /boot
[02:46] <tangomike> you need to remove some old kernels
[02:46] <dr_willis> one of the reasons i dont use a seperate /boot/ these days
[02:47] <dumb_dumb> tangomike how could i do it?
[02:47] <bean__> ^ _1
[02:47] <bean__> +1*
[02:47] <dr_willis> apt-get remove old-kernel-packages
[02:47] <bean__> the most user friendly way is probably for him to install ubuntu tweak
[02:47] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-to-remove-or-hide-old-kernel-versions-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu
[02:47] <bean__> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/remove-old-kernels-from-ubuntu-12-10-with-ubuntu-tweak/
[02:49] <k1ng> how do i get the old gnome?
[02:49] <k1ng> i hate the stupid sidebar and top
[02:50] <k1ng> sidebar is ok
[02:50] <k1ng> i hate the top bar
[02:50] <dr_willis> k1ng:  gnome2 is dead. thers fallback modes.. and unity works fine once you get used to it.
[02:50] <dr_willis> what top bar do you mean
[02:50] <dr_willis> if you mean the 'global menu' feature. thats disabablel
[02:50] <dr_willis> dis-able-able.. ;)
[02:51] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/10481/how-do-i-disable-the-global-application-menu/10627#10627
[02:51] <k1ng> i think that is it. global application menu
[02:52] <fuleo> running tail -f *.log from a remote location.  is a good idea ?
[02:52] <bean__> fuleo, no reason that its a bad idea.
[02:52] <fuleo> 400 log files, each about 1-3 mb in size... and incremeting by 6kb every 1hr.
[02:53] <fuleo> just wondering if it would affect the network I'm on...
[02:53] <k1ng> dr_willis, http://puu.sh/24Sxn
[02:53] <escott> fuleo, depends on the network
[02:55] <dumb_dumb> i`l try using sudo apt-get purge linux-image-x.x.x.x-generic
[02:55] <dumb_dumb> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[02:55] <dumb_dumb> The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-generic-pae : Depends: linux-image-3.2.0-35-generic-pae but it is not going to be installed - E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[02:56] <dumb_dumb> when trying to used apt-get -f install i got the same error again No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already
[02:56] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/31667/what-does-no-apport-report-written-because-maxreports-is-reached-already-mean
[02:57] <dr_willis> clean out old reports
[02:58] <dumb_dumb> the directory is already empty on /var/crash
[02:58] <atrius> anyone who knows anything about ldap+kerberos around?
[02:59] <p5mith> what happened to the "off topic" chan?
[02:59] <dr_willis> !ot
[03:00] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic still there p5mith
[03:00] <dr_willis> Nothing that ive heard of p5mith
[03:01] <phunyguy> does anyone know where the rhythmbox config files are stored? I googled for the location, and they aren't where they should be anymore  (Yes I am showing hidden files and folders)
[03:01] <dr_willis> .config would be my guess phunyguy
[03:01] <escott> phunyguy, where should they be
[03:01] <phunyguy> looked there.
[03:02] <phunyguy> escott, /.local/share/rhythmbox/ ~/.cache/rhythmbox/ ~/.gconf/apps/rhythmbox/
[03:02] <phunyguy> that was what google told me
[03:02] <phunyguy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/7979/how-can-i-reset-all-rhythmbox-preferences-and-library-information
[03:03] <tangomike> phunyguy:  find ~ -name rhythmbox
[03:04] <phunyguy> hrmmm
[03:04] <escott> phunyguy, the gconf stuff would move to dconf potentially
[03:04] <phunyguy> /home/phunyguy/.local/share/rhythmbox  -  /home/phunyguy/.cache/rhythmbox
[03:05] <phunyguy> hmm... is there an easy way to mess with dconf?
[03:05] <phunyguy> and browse settings?
[03:05] <baby_> what  is uninstall  soft?
[03:06] <dr_willis> baby_:  what?
[03:06] <baby_> uninstall
[03:07] <baby_> software
[03:07] <phunyguy> =D  I found it.  opened dash and typed dconf - derp..
[03:07] <dr_willis> software center
[03:07] <eoss> bean__: ok i got iptables save and restore working, but its not saving on reboot?
[03:07] <bazhang> !software | baby_ have a read
[03:07] <dr_willis> !manual | baby_
[03:07] <eoss> bean__: and i thought that was the point of iptables-persistent
[03:07] <bean__> eoss, it should be
[03:07] <bazhang> baby_, speak in complete sentences, please.
[03:07] <bean__> eoss, they're saved right?
[03:08] <baby_> OK
[03:08] <KxTwo> anyone in here use snes9x, no one active in the #
[03:08] <bean__> KxTwo, you were here last night. Did you try an old version?
[03:09] <eoss> bean__: yep
[03:09] <KxTwo> bean__, getting zsnes to work was troublesome so I switched to snes9x and it works MUCH better BUT I cant figure out how to fast forward lol
[03:09] <bean__> eoss, so, /etc/init/iptables-* exists? or something in /etc/init related to iptables
[03:09] <KxTwo> nvm I found it!  its called turbo rah!
[03:10] <KxTwo> in case anyone asks, snes9x seems to be the superior emulator for ubuntu
[03:10] <eoss> bean__: no that does not exist...
[03:10] <dr_willis> Ive rarely had issues with zsnes. ;)
[03:10] <phunyguy> ok I found some settings but I am thinking I can't do what I want to do.  I have music stored on a share, and some stuff I want to keep local.  I want to store stuff added locally to rhythmbox in ~/Music/local, and have it still import stuff from ~/Music as a whole.
[03:10] <phunyguy> I have the server share symlinked there as "Main Collection"
[03:12] <KxTwo> dr_willis, I didn't either at first but its buggy with many games, snes9x is actually superior in video quality and sound Im quite surprised
[03:12] <eoss> bean__: so what do i have to do? i thought iptables-persistent took care of that
[03:13] <bean__> eoss, then it would seem that package didnt do anything
[03:13] <dr_willis> theres only about 6 snes games i ever play. ;)
[03:13] <phunyguy> actually I think I found that too... org.rhythmbox.library.add-dir
[03:13] <phunyguy> I will try and let you know
[03:13] <savagecroc> i'm looking at switching to ubuntu for my desktop env but... is it true that dash (which i'm guessing is the equivilent of osx's spotlight) sends everything you search for to their servers?
[03:14] <ExceptionlCatch> hi, does anyone have any experience booting the latest ubuntu on a mac pro desktop using the usb installer? after selecting try ubuntu from grub it whirls for a bit and then stops with a black screen
[03:14] <CavalierPrime> savagecroc it sends anonymous data unless you disable it in privacy settings
[03:14] <Vivekananda> Hi everyone. I am trying to upgrade to 12.04 an it needs more disk space?? I have a partitioning / /home /cache. Which space should I free ?
[03:14] <savagecroc> oh right.. so you can just switch it off?
[03:14] <CavalierPrime> yes
[03:14] <savagecroc> so whats the big whinge-fest about then
[03:14] <dr_willis> !adlens
[03:14] <CavalierPrime> it is on by default is the big uproar
[03:14] <wookey> savagecroc: it being on by default?
[03:15] <dr_willis> People just like to rant about things
[03:15] <savagecroc> wookey: oh right.. but isint' equivilent to something like google instant search?
[03:15] <ExceptionlCatch> Vivekananda: depending on the situation it is possible to use a symlink to store the rest of the data on another partition. or, if lvm is used there are commands to resize the partitions
[03:15] <dr_willis> if apple had came up with it.. then it would be the best thing since the toaster oven...
[03:16] <bean__> eoss, so there is no /etc/init/iptables-persistent.init ?
[03:16] <Vivekananda> ExceptionlCatch: Which partition needs more space for the install? Should I free up / or /home ??
[03:16] <wookey> if apple had come up with it, it'd be evil like most things they do.
[03:16] <escott> Vivekananda, usually /home because you will keep your music files there, but not always
[03:17] <ExceptionlCatch> Vivekananda: make sure to create a backup
[03:17] <Vivekananda> So I should free up home so that the upgrade runs smoothly
[03:17] <Vivekananda> backup of \home I already have
[03:17] <econdudeawesome> Howdy all. I tried to install nvidia-experimental-304, and the install failed. I restarted, and now I can't log into a GUI. How to fix?
[03:18] <dr_willis> login in at the console. remove the package perhaps.
[03:18] <Vivekananda> but I am not sure how I create a back of programs I installed via a .deb package and which is  not in the repos. Also not sure if they will run after the upgrade
[03:18] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: I removed and purged the offending packages via apt-get in a tty shell.
[03:18] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  check your xorg.conf also.. rename it. if it exists
[03:18] <stan879nz> can someone give me a link to help understand the way the file system works eg. when i install a program were does it install to
[03:19] <escott> Vivekananda, you backup the deb file, but you should look for an updated deb for your new release
[03:19] <escott> !fhs | stan879nz
[03:19] <stan879nz> thanks
[03:19] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: this would be in /etc/X11?
[03:20] <dr_willis> yes
[03:20] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: should I also move/rename the failsafe?
[03:20] <escott> econdudeawesome, no
[03:21] <escott> econdudeawesome, at least not at first
[03:21] <econdudeawesome> escott, dr_willis: away I go. I might be back :D
[03:22] <dumb_dumb> dr_willis
[03:22] <dr_willis> moo?
[03:22] <dumb_dumb> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:22] <dumb_dumb> linux-image-generic-pae : Depends: linux-image-3.2.0-35-generic-pae but it is not going to be installed
[03:22] <dumb_dumb> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[03:23] <dumb_dumb> i`ll kept getting those error when trying to remove the kernel
[03:23] <dr_willis> you are not trying tro remove kernels you are currently using are you?
[03:24] <eoss> bean__: something is in /etc/init.d: iptables-persistent, but its still not restoring on reboot
[03:24] <dr_willis> and you did try a sudo apt-get -f install   like it suggests?
[03:24] <dumb_dumb> yes still gave the same error
[03:24] <bean__> eoss, hmm, and /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent start works?
[03:25] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis, escott: I am back. Now it will log into lightdm, but when I type in the password and try differing sessions (Gnome3, unity, xmonad) it logs in, goes black, then comes back around to lightdm
[03:25] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  see if a new user. or the guest user works
[03:25] <econdudeawesome> by log into lightdm, I mean it comes up. When _I_ log into lightdm, this happens
[03:25] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: I don't know how to do that. I only have one user on the computer
[03:26] <Malsasa> Hello, now lintian says E prerm-calls-updatemenus, whats wrong if i filll my prerm file with  what written in http://lintian.debian.org/tags/postinst-does-not-call-updatemenus.html ?
[03:26] <dr_willis> add a new user via the console.
[03:26] <eoss> bean__: yep, my rule shows after that command
[03:26] <dumb_dumb> http://pastebin.com/NZbZtr7y
[03:26] <webdesserts> When I launch a web app like gmail, and then hit it in the launcher again, instead of focusing on the currently openned web app, it launches a new gmail
[03:26] <goonsquad> GOONSQUAD RUNZ
[03:27] <webdesserts> is there a reason for this? Is this something they plan on fixing?
[03:27] <bean__> eoss, then "update-rc.d iptables-persistent defaults"
[03:28] <eoss> bean__: " System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent already exist." "update-rc.d: warning: iptables-persistent stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none)"  "update-rc.d: warning: iptables-persistent start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S)"
[03:29] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: so I added a new user "temp", but i don't see where to add a password/groups.
[03:29] <DaemonicApathy> webdesserts: I believe that's intended, when the focus is already on the only open instance.
[03:29] <bean__> hmm, eoss, then it is running the start, at bootup
[03:29] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  i just use  sudo adduser billgates
[03:29] <bean__> im not sure what to tell you.
[03:29] <eoss> bean__: what the heck >.<
[03:29] <eoss> bean__: ok well i gotta go, thanks for the help anyway
[03:29] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: how do you log in? Lightdm isn't accepting a blank password
[03:29] <bean__> eoss, what sort of VPS?
[03:29] <eoss> bean__: thrustVPS
[03:30] <dr_willis> i set a password for my test users
[03:30] <webdesserts> DaemonicApathy: I think you read my question wrong
[03:30] <eoss> bean__: openVZ i think
[03:30] <webdesserts> I expect it to focus on the openned app
[03:31] <webdesserts> instead it opens a new one
[03:31] <eoss> bean__: well, later
[03:32] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: ok, that seems to be working (accidentally did "useradd" instead of "adduser" initially). How then do I fix my main account? or should xorg.conf be remade now?
[03:32] <phunyguy> I guess I will just use sound-juicer to extract CDs, and not rhythmbox
[03:32] <escott> webdesserts, make sure the firefox integration plugin is installed and enabled in firefox
[03:32] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  if the new user works.. and the other user does not.. that points to a problem with the old users setting files in their home directory..
[03:32] <phunyguy> rhythmbox isn't very intuitive with it's options
[03:32] <webdesserts> escott, I'm using chrome
[03:33] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  start by moveing/checking the .Xauthority file, and perhaps move it and .config  to a Backup directory
[03:33] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: Okay. Any idea where I'd look? which .config?
[03:33] <escott> webdesserts, ok then the appropriate chrome plugin
[03:33] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  make sure nothing is owned by root also.
[03:33] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  id start by moving all of .config to a backup directory
[03:33] <dr_willis> and .Xauthority
[03:34] <webdesserts> escott, it is. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to pin my web apps to launcher in the first place I beleive
[03:34] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: no .Xauthority it appears
[03:35] <dr_willis> ~/.Xauthority   - normally exists.. weird its not there
[03:35] <elisa87> Hi dr_willis do you know why I receive this error? configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[03:35] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: indeed. I moved ~/.config to a new file, but login at lightdm still now successful
[03:35] <escott> webdesserts, i'm not that surprised it doesn't work. its a difficult problem to solve
[03:35] <dr_willis> elisa87:  you installed the needed C compiler packages? such as build-essential?
[03:36] <escott> webdesserts, the browser gets asked to show "www.gmail.com" but has to realize that "www.gmail.com" is the same as the existing open window "https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&shva=1#inbox"
[03:36] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  huh? it works or not? ;)   if not  try moving other .* config files to a backup directory  like .local and .compiz
[03:36] <elisa87>  sudo yum install gcc gcc-c++ kernel-devel returns this No package gcc-c++ available. dr_willis I don't know what are the necessary packages I am running this command ./configure CC="gcc -m32" CXX="g++ -m32" MPICXX="mpicxx -m32" --host=i686-linux --prefix=/home/jalal/Desktop/hpctoolkit/install --with-externals=/home/jalal/Desktop/hpctoolkit/hpctoolkit-externals-5.3.2-r3950/BUILD/i686-linux  --with-papi=/home/jalal/Desktop/parboil/pap
[03:36] <dr_willis> elisa87:  yum?  where did that come from?
[03:37] <dr_willis> !info build-essential
[03:37] <Vivekananda> escott: What to do I save along with /home so that I can reinstall the other programs I have my lucid now?
[03:37] <elisa87> dr_willis build-essential is installed sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:37] <escott> webdesserts, i honestly doubt app-tabs will ever work that well with a RESTful framework
[03:37] <dr_willis> !info yum
[03:37] <cfhowlett> me ... ummm, yum?
[03:37] <dr_willis> why are you using yum?
[03:37] <elisa87> dr_willis bash: !info: event not found --- because I was following a manual
[03:38] <econdudeawesome> dr_willis: we're back in business
[03:38] <econdudeawesome> much thanks
[03:38] <dr_willis> elisa87:  !commands are BOT commands.. and sounds like you are following the wrong manual
[03:38] <econdudeawesome> .Xauthority wasn't a folder, but a file--mea culpa
[03:38] <escott> !clone | Vivekananda
[03:38] <dr_willis> econdudeawesome:  yes.. its a file. ;) that often gets owned by root. for some reason
[03:39] <elisa87> ok what should I do? dr_willis?
[03:39] <escott> !gksudo | econdudeawesome
[03:39] <bean__> elisa87, where did you get the yum command from
[03:40] <econdudeawesome> escott: I appreciate that, but I reckon that was for elisa87?
[03:40] <escott> econdudeawesome, no you had a problem with Xauthority
[03:40] <Vivekananda> escott: anything else I should know about before upgrading ?
[03:40] <econdudeawesome> escott: Not quite, I think. I had an issue that lightdm would fail to log in. I moved .Xauthority
[03:40] <elisa87> bean__ Idk!
[03:40] <econdudeawesome> escott: but anyway. Thanks yall!
[03:40] <Vivekananda> I also have wine installed too :(
[03:41] <escott> econdudeawesome, and you moved Xauthority because it was root owned right?
[03:41] <bean__> elisa87, yum is not something we use on ubuntu.
[03:41] <escott> econdudeawesome, and it was root owned because you didnt use gksudo when you should have
[03:41] <ImEunify> so its official i cannot get any type of linux distro to boot up on my mac via liveusb
[03:41] <holstein> ImEunify: i didnt think they booted USB.. i would try plop
[03:42] <cfhowlett> ImEunify, virtualbox then
[03:42] <holstein> ImEunify: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html
[03:44] <elisa87> dr_willis bean__ do you think you can recognize the problem by looking at conf.log ?
[03:44] <bean__> what is conf.log o.o
[03:44] <bean__> or where is that located
[03:45] <ImEunify> holstein: what does plop do?
[03:45] <dr_willis> elisa87:  im not even sure what you are trying to do.. but any guide that uses YUM is not for Ubuntu
[03:45] <phunyguy> I FIGURED IT OUT!  Rhythmbox by default extracts to the first entry in dconf under org.gnome.rhythmbox.rhythmdb.locations - so I just created an entry for 1.) ~/Music/Locally Stored, 2.) ~/Music/Main Collection (symlink to share), and 3.) Ubuntu One store - and they all show up under Music > in Rhythmbox.
[03:46] <phunyguy> WIN.
[03:46] <holstein> ImEunify: plop boots from CD, and lets you select a USB to boot.. from lagacy gear, or anything cd's boot on and not USB
[03:47] <ImEunify> holstein: so it will let me boot from USB. cause my dvd drive is sorta broke and it wont read disk..
[03:47] <phunyguy> thanks for the hand-holding guys
[03:47] <phunyguy> I appreciate it.
[03:47] <miroesq> I'm trying to copy files via ssh to my ubuntu server logging in as testacct and am getting  permission errors. I have added my user to the chown group with "sudo adduser testacct www-data" and did a sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/ but that did not help.
[03:47] <holstein> ImEunify: i use it for that, though this link should outline it pretty well http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html ...AFAIK, apple machines dont usb boot
[03:48] <escott> miroesq, did you set the setuid bit on the directory
[03:48] <miroesq> escott: no idea what that is
[03:48] <holstein> ImEunify: you can take the hard drive out and install on another machine, and put it back. you can use plop, and you should try even if the dvd is kind of questionable
[03:48] <ImEunify> holstein: thanks ill give it a try and see if it works. does it work with backtrack 5?
[03:49] <escott> miroesq, you probably want setuid/setgid on /var/www and subfolders. for the rest send us the output of "groups" and "ls -al /var/www"
[03:50] <miroesq> escott: thank you. i will google this setuid and figure out how to do it,
[03:50] <holstein> ImEunify: i would ask in a backtrack support channel.. but "it", assuming you mean plop, just loads a menu which, as the link i gave explains, boot a USB stick.. doesnt matter.. if the stick can boot, it whould boot
[03:50] <holstein> should*
[03:51] <ImEunify> holstein: thanks again ill give it a try and see if it works. :D ill come back if i have any problems
[03:51] <ImEunify> holstein: last time i try to boot a usb it kept giving me a 'non system file please press any button to boot' and i hope plop fixes it.
[03:52] <holstein> ImEunify: the machine cant boot USB
[03:53] <siebo> Hi, I'm installing some packages on a server running ubuntu server 10.04LTS, when I try to install certain packages, I get a message about:
[03:53] <siebo> Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Ubuntu-Server 10.04.4 LTS _Lucid Lynx_ - Release amd64 (20120214.2)'
[03:53] <siebo> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[03:53] <ImEunify> holstein: thats what always kept troubling me so..now that you gave me plop i hope it will fix that error and boot via usb :D
[03:53] <holstein> ImEunify: http://studyblast.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/guide-mac-os-x-lion-how-to-boot-a-linux-live-system-from-a-usb-drive-how-to-update-any-ocz-ssds-firmware/ for example.. but i used plop
[03:53] <siebo> when I googled, all of the info I found seemed to have to do with Ubuntu Software Center
[03:53] <siebo> how do I remedy this from the command line?
[03:54] <holstein> siebo: i would look at the sources, and see that you are not pointing to a disc
[03:54] <dr_willis> siebo:  comment out the cdrom entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <holstein> ^^ siebo
[03:54] <dr_willis> the software-sources tool make this a simple click click.. task. ;)
[03:55] <stan879nz> hello i am try to run multi copies of steam like i do on my pc using sandboxie is there something like this for ubuntu.
[03:55] <siebo> dr_willis: holstein thx
[03:55] <dr_willis>  head /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:55] <dr_willis> # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Alpha amd64 (20120724.2)]/ dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/
[03:55] <dr_willis> note the # comment character
[03:56] <dr_willis> stan879nz:  add a new user. run steam as that new user at the same time perhaps
[03:57] <stan879nz> thanks dr_willis ill look into that
[04:08] <ImEunify> holstein: do you have the link on how to install it to a usb.
[04:10] <shinobi_> greetings #ubuntu :)
[04:12] <shinobi_> I am having a difficult time trying to identify a webserver daemon which is apparently running on my machine. I have so far identified a webserver called apache and stopped it with <sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop>
[04:12] <shinobi_> then I did nmap localhost
[04:12] <shinobi_> there is nothing on port 80 but there is something listening on port 443 ( SSL )
[04:13] <holstein> ImEunify: you dont.. you install it to cd
[04:13] <shinobi_> is there anything I could do to help zero in on this daemon which is preventing me from running the server of my choice? I tried looking in TOP and in the system monitor process list but thats not yielding anything helpful to me at this time
[04:14] <holstein> ImEunify: you install plop to cd, and then select the usb you make that you are having issue booting
[04:14] <elisa87> Do you know why I have this error? trampoline/x86-family/x86-tramp.S:31: Error: operand type mismatch for `push'
[04:15] <ImEunify> holstein: oh okay. can i use the cd on a windows computer to fix the usb then plug the usb into the mac to boot it..or do i have to do everything on the mac?
[04:17] <stan879nz> how do i make a user private were the programs used/installed by others are not visible and if they want them they will have to install them to there own user and are not visible  to others?
[04:18] <dr_willis> if users install apps to their home directories you can use the normal permssions/modes to not let others get to the files
[04:18] <holstein> ImEunify: i can only refer you to the documentation and tell you how and why i used plop... i used unetbootin to create a bootable usb.. the usb didnt boot due to the machines limitations. i used plop to make a bootable CD that would boot the usb
[04:19] <dr_willis> !permissions
[04:19] <stan879nz> thanks..
[04:20] <ImEunify> holstein: yea i know you can only refer me. but if you made a plop bootable cd to boot the usb. then how can i do that when my dvd drive doesnt work. thats why i thought plop was able to make a bootable usb
[04:20] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/93411/simplest-easy-way-to-jail-users might be relevant
[04:21] <holstein> ImEunify: if the mac cant boot USB, and has a bad optical drive, then, as i suggested, you can take the hard drive out and install on another machine.. or also as was suggested, virtualbox
[04:21] <DoYouKnow> how do I send an alert to the desktop with a bash script?
[04:22] <ImEunify> holstein: thanks ill try the different suggestions
[04:22] <holstein> DoYouKnow: notify-send ?
[04:22] <dr_willis> DoYouKnow:    notify-send "TEST MESSAGE."
[04:22] <DoYouKnow> ty
[04:24] <Tex_Nick> DoYouKnow:  I think Zenity will allow you to pop-up several types of gui dialogs ... if that's what you mean
[04:25] <DoYouKnow> yeah, that would be best
[04:25] <dr_willis> theres several ways to do it.
[04:26] <dr_willis> xterm -e 'echo This is a message ; read foo'   :)
[04:27] <cmcintosh> hey gang
[04:28] <cmcintosh> i got a odd question, where would i go to look/learn how to write a video driver for Xwindows, I realize this is probably more of a c++ question but been searching the webs with not a lot of resources on it
[04:28] <cmcintosh> i got a odd question, where would i go to look/learn how to write a video driver for Xwindows
[04:28] <dr_willis> look at the source code for existing video drivers.. and perhaps the x.org site
[04:30] <dumb_dumb> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-generic-pae:
[04:30] <dumb_dumb> linux-image-generic-pae depends on linux-image-3.2.0-35-generic-pae; however:
[04:30] <dumb_dumb> Package linux-image-3.2.0-35-generic-pae is not installed.
[04:30] <dumb_dumb> how to remove that error?
[04:30] <dumb_dumb> i already success to upgrade kernel
[04:30] <dumb_dumb> now using 3.2.0-38-generic-pae
[04:31] <dumb_dumb> but why i still have that error?
[04:32] <dumb_dumb> dr_wilis any idea?
[04:32] <dr_willis> dont an apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:32] <dumb_dumb> apt-dist upgrade?
[04:32] <dr_willis> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:32] <holstein> i might just try and install linux-image-3.2.0-35-generic-pae as well
[04:33] <dumb_dumb> holstein how to do that?
[04:34] <KamranMackey> Hello everyone :)
[04:35] <Core> Really basic question, but if I download Ubuntu on Windows 7 I still keep Windows 7, correct?
[04:35] <holstein> dumb_dumb: i would just search in the package manger of your choice.. maybe just sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-35-generic-pae
[04:35] <KamranMackey> If you want to keep Windows 7 you have to download the Windows installer.
[04:35] <KamranMackey> for Ubuntu
[04:35] <Core> That's what I did.
[04:35] <holstein> Core: if you download the iso in win7, then the iso is just there... like any other data
[04:35] <dr_willis> thats not true  KamranMackey
[04:35] <holstein> !wubi
[04:35] <holstein> OR, you can dual boot and keep windows
[04:36] <dr_willis> wubi installs inside windows.. you can instgall alongside - to seperate partitions.. thats the normal way
[04:36] <Guest46967> Howdy, I'm wondering if there is a straightforward generic way to create a system tray icon for any old process.  Or is that something that has to be baked into an application?
[04:36] <dumb_dumb> ok thanks for the suggestion
[04:36] <dr_willis> Guest46967:  check out the various 'indicator-applets' that exist. askubuntu.com has a list of them and some examples written in python you can tewek
[04:37] <KamranMackey> You mean tweak?
[04:37] <ryzzan> i have an hdd with a bad superblock and lvm fs... will it be possible to mount it on ubuntu?
[04:37] <MoPac> dr_willis: Thanks - I was probably screwing up by googleing for systerm tray rather than "indicator"
[04:38] <Core> Just making sure, the Windows Installer will keep my Windows installation alongside Ubuntu? I just choose whichever one I want at startup?
[04:38] <dr_willis> Core:  either way can do that.
[04:38] <dr_willis> but always make and have backups
[04:38] <dr_willis> i dont reccomend wubi.
[04:39] <Core> Why not, Dr_Willis?
[04:39] <nubwub> hello, is there a way to access a ubuntu wubi windows disk image? I am having troubles booting, and would like to modify some files?
[04:39] <dr_willis> Core:  its fragile and a pain.
[04:39] <nubwub> Core: ^ see my comment
[04:40] <Ryzzan> i have an hdd with a bad superblock and lvm fs... will it be possible to mount it on ubuntu?
[04:40] <dr_willis> nubwub:  you can mount the wubi disk image from a live cd via the loop back feature  of mount
[04:40] <dr_willis> lik eyou would with an ISO file
[04:40] <holstein> Ryzzan: i would grab a live CD and try it
[04:40] <dr_willis> !iso
[04:40] <Core> I just need Ubuntu for a day at the most.
[04:40] <nubwub> dr_willis: thanks!
[04:40] <holstein> Ryzzan: there will be nothing in ubuntu preventing you from mounting it in ubuntu
[04:41] <dr_willis> Core:  use a live-usb/cd with a persistant save file then
[04:41] <Core> What?
[04:41] <Ryzzan> holstein, i'm already using the hdd as slave under my ubuntu right now...
[04:41] <holstein> Ryzzan: cool.. so its mounted then..
[04:41] <Ryzzan> i know how to mount the lvm on ubuntu... but the deal is: it has a bad superblock... and it's not mounting
[04:41] <Core> I've never really done anything like this before, so I don't really know what that is.
[04:42] <Ryzzan> holstein, it's not mounted...
[04:42] <holstein> Core: i would just use the live CD... load it up live and use it like that
[04:42] <holstein> Ryzzan: then, i would try mounting in
[04:42] <nubwub> Core, I came in half way through your dicussion, so I do not know exactly what you are discussing regarding wubi, however I will say that dispite my current issue with it, it has performed quite well for me and would recommend it, especially if you only need it for light use
[04:43] <holstein> yeah, wubi is easily removed if you dont want it anymore
[04:43] <Ryzzan> holstein, already tried... but it says that the hdd has a bad superblock n it won't be mounted
[04:43] <holstein> Ryzzan: then, i would try repairing it.. i use the ultimate boot cd
[04:44] <superstalin> Hey all!
[04:44] <Ryzzan> holstein, any risk to lose my data using it?
[04:44] <superstalin> I'm having trouble getting flash to work, I've tried the various fixes and installed multiple browsers but whenever I go to youtube or any other flash dependent site it won't let me watch any videos, any ideas what may be going on?
[04:45] <dr_willis> flash is such a pain.
[04:45] <rkhshm> when i'm doing a read(/dev/myssd, buff, 512) does it mean i'm reading the same 512 bytes always or is it differnt
[04:45] <superstalin> I've noticed.
[04:45] <dr_willis> superstalin:  tried using the google-chrome browser?
[04:45] <superstalin> yeah
[04:45] <superstalin> Chromium and regular chrome
[04:45] <Malsasa> Hello, isthere any app for monitor my network traffic, in/out internet, both from wifi/cable lines? Thats app should be installed in Ubuntu server for monitoring my clients...
[04:45] <KamranMackey> Hmm, it's odd how your having issues...
[04:45] <rkhshm> i need an urgent answer .. can anyone please help
[04:46] <Malsasa> rkhshm: what is your question?
[04:46] <rkhshm> Malsasa: when i'm doing a read(/dev/myssd, buff, 512) does it mean i'm reading the same 512 bytes always or is it differnt
[04:46] <dr_willis> read? you mean  C++ code? or what ecxcatly?
[04:46] <rkhshm> dr_willis: C code
[04:46] <rkhshm> the read() call is what i'm talking about
[04:46] <holstein> Ryzzan: sure... i might use something like photorec to try and recover the data. from testdisk.. i also use that from the ulitmate boot cd
[04:47] <superstalin> Does everyone have these flash issues?
[04:47] <dr_willis> there is the ##C channel and ##programing i think
[04:47] <rkhshm> dr_willis: i'm talking about read(2)
[04:47] <tzarc> read advances the point forward
[04:47] <rkhshm> yeah those guys are acting up so gave up on that
[04:47] <tzarc> if you read 512 bytes, the next read will be after that 512
[04:47] <dr_willis> print out the reads and look and see what its doing? ;)
[04:47] <rkhshm> ok
[04:48] <rkhshm> so if i run the read(2) in a while loop its basically going to do a sequential read
[04:48] <rkhshm> is that correct
[04:48] <tzarc> yes
[04:48] <tzarc> make sure your loop exit conditions are correct though
[04:48] <rkhshm> tzarc: thank you very much.. i cannot believe how ppl act to answer questions..
[04:49] <rkhshm> yeah that's correct
[04:49] <tzarc> generally read will return how many bytes were indeed read, check against 512 and exit early if less than that
[04:49] <Dozam> Anyone have and suggestions for creating a mobile instal of Ubuntu? I'm trying to install several OSs to a USB 3.0 SSD drive to run from any computer and I want to ensure I do it correctly and set up for maximum usability and power...
[04:49] <Ryzzan> holstein, do u know any patition tool that deals with lvm?
[04:49] <dr_willis> Dozam:  You mean Live installs? or full normal installs?
[04:50] <Core> Thanks for the help guys.
[04:50] <Core> Seeya.
[04:50] <Dozam> Probibly full...but to be honest I'm not entirely sure of the differences...
[04:50] <holstein> Ryzzan: depends on how broken it is i suppose.. AFAIK, there are tools in the disc i mentioned for LVM
[04:50] <dr_willis> Dozam:  theres tools at the pendrivelinux site to do several live installs to the same usb drive.
[04:51] <dr_willis> a FUll install is the same asyou would install to a internal HD.
[04:51] <Dozam> ok, then yeah a full install
[04:51] <Ryzzan> holstein, ty
[04:51] <dr_willis> for swapping amount differnt pcs - you can get into driver issues with full installs.
[04:51] <eric2>
[04:51] <Dozam> when I said multiple OSs, I meant Ubuntu/Win/Mac
[04:51] <dr_willis> Install to the SSD same as you would any other hd. pick one disrto to handle grub for all  of them
[04:52] <dr_willis> Im not even sure that windows can run from an external USB
[04:52] <dr_willis> same for Mac.
[04:52] <Dozam> well less worried about windows
[04:52] <holstein> Ryzzan: good luck.. photorec is quite nice, assumin gyou can get at the LVM
[04:52] <dr_willis> Ubuntu definatly can
[04:52] <Dozam> mac can...it's just tricky
[04:53] <eric2> My dns server can not reslove several address, what is this problem?
[04:53] <Dozam> I at least want Ubuntu...what I'm trying to do is basically create a mobile work system that I can take and plug into any computer and boot into my workspace.
[04:55] <eric2> ?
[04:56] <stan879nz> thanks dr_willis for your help today cya
[04:56] <dr_willis> a FULL install moved amoung pcs can have issues with video card drivers and wifi drivers..
[04:57] <dr_willis> you would be best served by sticking to the open sourced drivers on a full-usb-mobile install
[04:57] <dr_willis> id also set up grub2 on the usb to boot the ISO file - just in case the normal boot fails
[04:57] <Dozam> so have the image on the drive as well?
[04:58] <dr_willis> yes. its likely you will find some pc that wont want to boot your full install.
[04:58] <Malsasa> Hello, isthere any app for monitor my network traffic, in/out internet, both from wifi/cable lines? Thats app should be installed in Ubuntu server for monitoring my clients...
[04:58] <dr_willis> the iso file/boot will at least let you boot to ubuntu  live
[04:59] <Dozam> ok, so I'll admit (if it isn't obvious already) I'm new-ish to linux/Ubuntu. What exactly is grub2?
[04:59] <dr_willis> !grub2
[05:00] <Dozam> Nice! thanks
[05:01] <Vivekananda> hey everyone How do I create a diskimage for my system partition. I want to upgrade from lucid to pangolin( is it ? 12.04 ?) and then to get back all my software inside it. Does this seem like a good plan of how to upgrade??
[05:02] <dr_willis> backup imporntant data in your home. and reinstall   is what i do normally
[05:05] <Tex_Nick> Vivekananda:  you might also consider segregating your home dir onto another partition or drive ... if you have that option
[05:06] <Dozam> So I used to be a command line master back in the days of DOS, but I'm totally lost now and I know that Linux has different keywords and such. is there a good primer for linux command line/console?
[05:06] <dr_willis> !bash
[05:06] <dr_willis> !backup
[05:07] <holstein> Vivekananda: you dont do an image for that.. you just backup your data.. you literally drag you data over to another hard drive, and drag it back
[05:07] <dr_willis> external usb hd. :) makes it handy
[05:08] <holstein> Dozam: i just started doing things in the command line.. when i want to make text files.. or move files.. or delete for example
[05:08] <Vivekananda> holstein: If I do that for the root partition will it work as an installed op system if suppose I format the root and then just copy the data back ?
[05:09] <holstein> Vivekananda: if you have a seperate /home partition, i would still backup the data
[05:09] <Dozam> ok, that makes sense. That's essentally how I learned DOS
[05:09] <dr_willis> people get so windows-trained thinking  its hard to reinstall apps...
[05:10] <Vivekananda> I have a separate /home and I have that backed up. I aam pretty sure that folder backup of the root and not the folder partition and its restore will not be the same as installing the OS.
[05:10] <Vivekananda> Ie it wont work as the os if I just copy and paste folders back
[05:11] <holstein> Vivekananda: it can, assuming you get the proper folders, and put them back properly, and the permissions are as expected
[05:11] <dr_willis> I rarely  backup the stuff on / ;) i may keep some custome configs backed up somewhere. if  ive done any special tweaks.. rarely..
[05:11] <holstein> Vivekananda: linux/ubuntu is open.. its all there.. so anything, expecically full recover, is usuallly possible
[05:11] <dubz> nick lawlz
[05:11] <chaz68> I thought I fixed the xsession-errors huge log file issue but now I am getting huge log files in /var/log/upstart/lightdm.log.
[05:12] <lawlz> how do i get a files permission off of root
[05:12] <dr_willis> lawlz:  what?
[05:12] <Mishke> hi anybody :) which image-viewer use ubuntu on default?
[05:12] <chaz68> Anybody having this problem?  Feels like Ubuntu's version of Whack-A-Mole...
[05:12] <Vivekananda> holstein: Are you sure that the bootloader with grub installation that happens during an OS install will not be required if I simply copy folder from /  to suppose a new computer
[05:12] <holstein> Vivekananda: what would i do? back up my data.. *all* of it.. from the /home partition. then, if i had a seperate /home partition, i would try leaving it in place, knowing that i have a good backup of my data (not necessarily my settings)
[05:12] <dr_willis> chaz68:  cant say ive heard anyone in here with huge log file issues
[05:12] <chaz68> Thought logrotate should handle this...
[05:12] <lawlz> i have to use sudo to ftp so when i download stuff root has only permission
[05:13] <holstein> Vivekananda: no, im not sure of anything about your system.. but you can link whatever you like to help us help you decide
[05:13] <holstein> !grub | Vivekananda
[05:13] <dr_willis> ftping as root>? seems like a ftp server config issue/security hile.
[05:13] <holstein> ^^ i use that to restore grub if needed
[05:13] <chaz68> dr_willis:  actually the xsession-errors file is a fairly well-known bug it looks like...
[05:13] <lawlz> i cant download anything if i dont open it in root
[05:14] <lawlz> and when its downloaded its protected and pretty much useless to me
[05:14] <chaz68> I sprayed that down with a fix from the Community / Forum and now this lightdm.log is giving me problems.
[05:14] <dr_willis> lawlz:  seems.. weird to me.. whos ftp server is this?
[05:14] <lawlz> mine
[05:15] <dr_willis> sounds like you have it missconfigured if you have to ftp into it as root.
[05:15] <lawlz> no..
[05:15] <lawlz> 1 sec
[05:15] <Vivekananda> holstein: I am simply asking you this. Are you sure that installing a new os on a blank primary disk is the Same is copying all root files from another working system into the new blank disk. I dont think this is the case. If it were then we would need to create bootstrapping and bootloader partition and all that during an install process. What I mean to ask/say is that installing and copying are NOt the same in the case o
[05:15] <Vivekananda> f installing a new OS unless of course it is a diskimage you are copying. Also I already have /home back but that is irrelevant to the question isnt it ?
[05:16] <lawlz> the servers are fine... my laptop wont let me save anything from ftp unless i run the client in sudo...
[05:16] <dr_willis> and where are you saveing them to?
[05:16] <holstein> lawlz: maybe in places where you dont have permission
[05:16] <lawlz> my desktop
[05:16] <holstein> lawlz: i would say, ftp as root should be done with care, and maybe not at all
[05:16] <dr_willis> sounds like you got permissions all messed up somehow
[05:16] <lawlz> im only touching my own servers.
[05:16] <chaz68> lawlz:  Is this a big time FTP site or you just making a quick one for a few users?
[05:17] <lawlz> it is a mac in the other room...
[05:17] <lawlz> you
[05:17] <lawlz> ware
[05:17] <lawlz> all
[05:17] <holstein> lawlz: correct.. and you could cause an issue.. but, as long as you are aware and comfortable with the risk
[05:17] <lawlz> useless
[05:17] <dr_willis> ssh/sshfs may be a better solution
[05:17] <Guest23857> mkmdc
[05:17] <Guest23857> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:17] <dr_willis> wow.. we are useless because his ftp system is all messed up...
[05:18] <holstein> dr_willis: i dont think you are useless :)
[05:18] <Mishke> which image-viewer use ubuntu on default?
[05:18] <Guest23857> ,
[05:18] <chaz68> lawlz = tool
[05:18] <black101> hola
[05:19] <chaz68> dr_willis:  you read my mind on SSH / SSHFS... Was going to say the exact same...
[05:19] <black101> hola argentina
[05:20] <Tex_Nick> !es | black101
[05:21]  * Smok3 in about 10 seconds I will dos this server & shut it down.
[05:21]  * Smok3 just kidding lo
[05:21] <Smok3> lol
[05:21] <Smok3> IRC is awesome
[05:22] <AcidRain> lol
[05:22] <black101> mo hay nadie en ubuntu.es
[05:22] <Smok3> how can u tell how many ppl are in the chat
[05:22] <AcidRain> Smok3 sup dude
[05:22] <Smok3> like an exact #?
[05:22] <dr_willis> shows 1590 here..
[05:22] <AcidRain> Smok3 depends on the client. i show 1590
[05:22] <dr_willis> look at your irc clients info. ;)
[05:22] <AcidRain> i am using icechat. i dont like this client
[05:22] <Smok3> AcidRain..not much jc, new to the whole IRC thing and lovin it
[05:22] <dr_willis> !irc
[05:23] <Smok3> i use ubuntu through VMware..I'm really on a windows comp
[05:23] <Smok3> Although I wanna buy a comp w/ linux. It's awesome.
[05:23] <AcidRain> i too am currently on windows
[05:23] <Smok3> It's like a giant jailbroken iPhone
[05:23] <AcidRain> Smok3 not cool dude. dont compare linux to iphone
[05:23] <dr_willis> Hmm - i dont see anything like the iphone on ubuntu...
[05:23] <black101> no one in ubuntu.'s'm Argentine and is the first time you use this
[05:24] <dr_willis> it has icons! just like the iphone! ;P
[05:24] <Smok3> hahaha exactly! it is
[05:24] <AcidRain> lol
[05:24] <chaz68> iPhone bad ... Android good... Ubuntu Phone better...
[05:24] <mysteriousdarren> Smok3: well don't feel too bad, Im on a windows computer to a ubuntu server to a lubuntu host lol
[05:24] <Smok3> mysteriousdarren jesus thatsounds complicated lol
[05:24] <AcidRain> iphone -> asshole closed source horrible support. looks to create a slaved nation. android -> open source. loves people. no need for support since its google powered. ubuntu -> god
[05:25] <Smok3> AcidRain I agree  100&
[05:25] <Smok3> 100%
[05:25] <Smok3> that's why I compared it to a JAILBROKEN iPhone :)
[05:25] <chaz68> Ubuntu Phone = Nirvana.... http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/design
[05:25] <dr_willis> except for all the phone/tablet makers  locking android stuff down.
[05:25] <Smok3> totally different. It's free & no constraints
[05:25] <AcidRain> but a jailbroken iphone is a normal android... actually its 80% of a stock android
[05:25] <dr_willis> I will belive in the ubuntu phone.. when i can see one.. and theres no gurantees it will be totally open.
[05:25] <Smok3> is that so?
[05:26] <Smok3> How do you know that?
[05:26] <mysteriousdarren> Smok3: not really just on a server that I connect to so I never have to get off irc, and it says safe
[05:26] <Smok3> I've never heard that
[05:26] <chaz68> Ubuntu Phone - would like to see a real one in the wild... Anyone try loading it on their device?
[05:26] <AcidRain> ive had iphone. and ive had android. id pick the first android phone ever over the best jailbroken iphone
[05:26] <iceroot> chaz68: #ubuntu-phone
[05:26] <dr_willis> theres no real info/stuff out about the phone yet.. so we all will have to wait and see
[05:26] <Smok3> that would be awesome though
[05:27] <chaz68> iceroot:  thanks... didn't know they had a channel already...
[05:27] <AcidRain> dr_willis im pretty sure ive seen youtube videos of people loading ubuntu onto an android. also onto ps3 and xbox360
[05:27] <Smok3> call it UbuntuX
[05:27] <akiva-mobile> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my thinkpad x60 by installing the image on the ssd on my desktop, and then throwing it into the laptop. After doing this however, I can't get past my grub. Suggestions?
[05:27] <Smok3> "yo man that new phone UbuntuX is awesome, I just used aircrack-ng to hack my neighbor
[05:27] <Smok3> 's wifi"
[05:28] <Smok3> thats the main reason i installed ubuntu. To learn about linux and to use Aircrack-ng
[05:28] <AcidRain> there is currently no android device that allows for arp injection
[05:28] <dr_willis> AcidRain:  those are in a vm type thing. not the same as what  is supposed to be comming out
[05:28] <AcidRain> aircrack-ng is also a security testing tool. not a hacking tool ;)
[05:28] <Smok3> :)
[05:29] <Smok3> hahaha
[05:29] <Smok3> AcidRain do you know how to use it?
[05:29] <Smok3> for some reason it will not install correctly on my comp.
[05:29] <AcidRain> i actually wrote a tutorial on "testing your security" with aircrack in ubuntu
[05:29] <AcidRain> let me see if i can find it
[05:29] <Smok3> Do you  need the AirPcap card?
[05:29] <Smok3> that would be awesome
[05:29] <AcidRain> no
[05:30] <Smok3> well one big problem of mine is that my Ubuntu does not recognize my WiFi card. only ethernet
[05:31] <holstein> Smok3: you can run "lspci" in the terminal, and see that ubuntu likely does recognize it.. maybe the vendor has not provided linux drivers
[05:33] <Delux> any idea why sda2, which shows as part of a RAID in both mdadm --detail and /proc/mdstat but when listing with fdisk -l it does not show up and only shows sda1 ?
[05:39] <AcidRain> xchat is much better than icechat
[05:40] <AcidRain> and mirc blue screened me on windows xp
[05:42] <AcidRain> is channel dead or did mirc rly just hax me?
[05:42] <akiva-mobile> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my thinkpad x60 by installing the image on the ssd on my desktop, and then throwing it into the laptop. After doing this however, I can't get past my grub. Suggestions?
[05:42] <akiva-mobile> Sorry for the double post
[05:42] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, what do you see at grub screen?
[05:42] <holstein> AcidRain: you should ask in a windows channel about windows chat clients.. maybe try the offtopic channels for chat
[05:42] <akiva-mobile> The menu
[05:42] <akiva-mobile> As it should be
[05:43] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, and did you select the first option?
[05:43] <akiva-mobile> But loading an image just gets me the blinking _
[05:43] <akiva-mobile> Yes
[05:43] <holstein> akiva-mobile: can you get to grub? to a recovery console?
[05:43] <akiva-mobile> Yes
[05:43] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, do you have any external drives connected?
[05:43] <akiva-mobile> No.
[05:43] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, i rly cant help then. sry man
[05:44] <dr_willis> you can get xchat variants for windows . ;)
[05:44] <akiva-mobile> Acidrain I could perhaps void the ol external, and toss a working hdd in
[05:45] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, ? is there any external devices attached to your computer whatsoever?
[05:45] <akiva-mobile> I have a desktop and a lappy
[05:46] <akiva-mobile> Desktop is what I'm using to install the image on the ssd
[05:46] <AcidRain> based off your previous statement you still havent answered the question
[05:46] <akiva-mobile> Because the lappy has no cdrom
[05:46] <akiva-mobile> No external devices attached to lappy
[05:46] <akiva-mobile> Desktop is working.
[05:46] <holstein> akiva-mobile: maybe just install from USB on the "lappy"
[05:47] <AcidRain> lol. yeah. go get a usb man
[05:47] <akiva-mobile> Meh... I need it now
[05:47] <AcidRain> u dont have that ol thumb drive that everyone was required to buy in 9th grade?
[05:47] <AcidRain> :/
[05:47] <ChaozHenchman> when was your laptop made?
[05:48] <akiva-mobile> Those things last a year
[05:48] <holstein> akiva-mobile: i would try the recovery steps
[05:48] <akiva-mobile> Then the flash is totally corrupt.
[05:48] <holstein> akiva-mobile: the drive you are installing to?
[05:48] <akiva-mobile> Recovery steps?
[05:48] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, perhaps use a bash script to automatically backup flash drive to internal hdd when attached? ;)
[05:48] <holstein> akiva-mobile: in the recovery console you said you can get to from grub... for recovering the graphics, etc
[05:49] <robotnut> hi all
[05:49] <AcidRain> ive had a 1gig flash drive for 8yrs btw. just sayin
[05:49] <ChaozHenchman> I have one that's about 5 and a half years old
[05:49] <akiva-mobile> I hate typing on this phone. Look, my installation works. What doesn't work is when I take the installation, on the ssd, and throw it into the lappy
[05:50] <akiva-mobile> There, I make it to the grub. After that, nothing.
[05:50] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, it doesnt work that way
[05:50] <iceroot> akiva-mobile: you changed the UUID in /etc/fstab and grub?
[05:50] <AcidRain> ^
[05:50] <akiva-mobile> No, I was looking at the grub before.
[05:50] <robotnut> anyone set up samba4 using win7pro clients?
[05:50] <akiva-mobile> Fstab
[05:50] <akiva-mobile> No idea what that is.
[05:51] <iceroot> !fstab | akiva-mobile
[05:51] <akiva-mobile> Uuid, that's all I need to change in both?
[05:51] <AcidRain> thats a start to identifying the issue
[05:51] <iceroot> akiva-mobile: there are a few other changes needed but to boot the system UUID should be enough
[05:52] <iceroot> akiva-mobile: what will not work is if you copied the installation to an UEFI-system
[05:52] <akiva-mobile> Can I just boot from bash, and sudo update-grub2?
[05:52] <iceroot> akiva-mobile: a live-cd is needed for that
[05:52] <akiva-mobile> I doubt this 20006 lappy has efi
[05:53] <iceroot> akiva-mobile: i guess in 20006 there are much more evil things then ust uefi ;)
[05:53] <akiva-mobile> So I can't just chang the boot params at my grub?
[05:53] <iceroot> akiva-mobile: of course, just press "e" on a line in grub to enter the edit mode
[05:54] <AcidRain> i hate terminal based editors
[05:54] <AcidRain> :(
[05:54] <akiva-mobile> And then, change appropriately to boot, and then once loaded, sudo update-grub2?
[05:54] <bulletrulz> yeah hi im trying to do something on skype im trying to make the input of the call my speakers how do i do it?
[05:55] <akiva-mobile> Stereomix.
[05:55] <bulletrulz> akiva-mobile, how do i do that?
[05:55] <akiva-mobile> Ie, you want todo soundboard prank calls.
[05:55] <akiva-mobile> Right?
[05:56] <bulletrulz> akiva-mobile, how did u know lol
[05:56] <dr_willis> !skype
[05:56] <akiva-mobile> Bulletrulz: are you serious?
[05:56] <dr_willis> I imaine it would be similer to the skype recording method
[05:56] <bulletrulz> akiva-mobile, yes but how to make it so the i can?
[05:57] <AcidRain> bulletrulz, buy a mic? :/
[05:57] <akiva-mobile> Its not easy, but its straightforward.
[05:57] <bulletrulz> ok akiva-mobile how to do it?
[05:57] <AcidRain> !google | bulletrulz
[05:57] <akiva-mobile> No, he wants t to stream his internal sound as his output on skype.
[05:57] <AcidRain> lol
[05:58] <bulletrulz> yea i wanna call people with dr.phil and be like hows it going
[05:58] <AcidRain> bulletrulz, id try using JACK audio
[05:58] <akiva-mobile> Bulletrulez, google is tough, cause you have to know the term
[05:58] <akiva-mobile> Search for stereomix ubuntu
[05:58] <bulletrulz> akiva-mobile, but you know how to do it?
[05:58] <bulletrulz> ok
[05:58] <dr_willis> askubuntu.com may also have guides
[05:58] <akiva-mobile> I've done it
[05:58] <akiva-mobile> On windows and ubuntu
[05:58] <AcidRain> akiva-mobile, then again, you could google for the term, then make a proper google
[05:59] <robotnut> is there a UI for webmin to use samba4?
[05:59] <akiva-mobile> Sound is so bloody complicated on both though.
[05:59] <bulletrulz> akiva-mobile, wait wont the people im calling hear them selfs?
[05:59] <dr_willis> robotnut:  best to not use webmin
[05:59] <dr_willis> !ebox
[05:59] <AcidRain> i think google is the greatest thing ever. i have... perhaps 2 times in my entire life had to look past the first 3 google results based off my search
[05:59] <akiva-mobile> Bulletrulez that's why its complicated. What you do though
[05:59] <robotnut> webmin module preferred
[05:59] <dr_willis> !webmin | robotnut
[06:00] <akiva-mobile> Is you set your output on skype to something else.
[06:00] <robotnut> ubottu - what is the replacement then?
[06:00] <akiva-mobile> I wish you well on your journey ahead.
[06:00] <akiva-mobile> Although
[06:00] <bulletrulz> oh akiva-mobile
[06:00] <AcidRain> robotnut, if you want remote manegement, you should perhaps code it yourself. ive done it with a few things. webmin even warns you that it could break your system. and i think it was deemed unsecure
[06:00] <dr_willis> robotnut:  i said the altneartive just a few lines earlier,,
[06:00] <dr_willis> !ebox | robotnut
[06:01] <akiva-mobile> You can get away with calls with stereomix, just be careful.
[06:01] <akiva-mobile> Chinaman is good.
[06:01] <robotnut> ubottu - does it? support administering samba4
[06:01] <AcidRain> lol
[06:02] <robotnut> ooo interesting
[06:02] <robotnut> im gonna check this out
[06:02] <robotnut> thanks!
[06:02] <AcidRain> dr_willis, do you use ebox/
[06:02] <AcidRain> ?
[06:02] <dr_willis> i rarely need those things
[06:02] <AcidRain> !ebox
[06:06] <akiva-mobile> Bulletrulez you uploading to youtube?
[06:07] <AcidRain> bulletrulz, just remember that tampering with phone lines is a federal offence of minimal 2yrs to max 20. and skype "anonymous" calls are easily tracable by your local law enforcement with cooperation with your isp
[06:10] <napster> Is it possible to encrypt directories with gnupg?
[06:11] <akiva-mobile> Acidrain, meh, they can't really.
[06:12] <akiva-mobile> Acidrain some people have been doing it for years.
[06:12] <akiva-mobile> And there are even brave souls who called the police
[06:13] <akiva-mobile> One even threatened to blow their heads off with an ar15
[06:13] <akiva-mobile> He, though, I think was caught. They took that seriously.
[06:13] <cfhowlett> !ot
[06:14] <chaz68> hmmm... seems my lightdm.log settled down now.  Only 4K.
[06:14] <chaz68> Any of you see anything that would concern you in lightdm.log here:   http://pastebin.com/6N6M418D
[06:14] <thufir_> without using JPA's, how do I install oracle JDK 7?
[06:14] <dr_willis> its waiting for you to look the other way befo it starts logging again
[06:14] <dr_willis> thufir_:  download the packages from their web site. and install them
[06:15] <dr_willis> thats what most of the ppa's do. - they just have scripts to automate it
[06:15] <chaz68> dr_willis:  probably right... But it was swelling like a mother by the minute all day today...  Now nothing...
[06:15] <thufir_> dr_willis: ok, thanks.  don't I have to set it as default, then, somehow?  I'm using netbeans.
[06:16] <dr_willis> thufir_:  the !java wiki guide urls detaill how to do that i recall
[06:16] <flintser> i want to enable user login for windows AD in ubuntu, what is the right way to do it?
[06:16] <thufir_> what's the wiki?
[06:16] <AcidRain2013> akiva-mobile: there is a big difference though in using no proxy and no encryption and using a direction connection to your comp which your isp monitors,,,, with skype...
[06:16] <dr_willis> !java
[06:16] <cfhowlett> flintser, create an account in both OS's
[06:16] <zqrtjeddah> hi
[06:17] <cfhowlett> zqrtjeddah, greetings
[06:17] <AcidRain2013> akiva-mobile: and there is also a big difference between plugging into the gray box at the end of the street. <--- cant get caught
[06:17] <zqrtjeddah> can i mack my laptop win8 start from my usb disk ?
[06:17] <akiva-mobile> Yep, agreed, but ot.
[06:17] <AcidRain2013> zqrtjeddah: we dont like your kind round these parts
[06:17] <zqrtjeddah> ok
[06:17] <cfhowlett> zqrtjeddah, yep.  go into the bios settings and prioritize USB b oot
[06:18] <AcidRain2013> lol
[06:18] <zqrtjeddah> thanks cfhowlett
[06:18] <flintser> cfhowlett: there is no way to recall accounts from the AD? i'd neeed to create dozens of accounts on several ubuntu machines
[06:18] <thufir_> dr_willis: thx again.
[06:19] <zqrtjeddah> mr cfhowlett
[06:19] <qq30> Question: is it likely that I'll be able to install Ubuntu's new phone OS on my WebOS pixi plus device?
[06:19] <chaz68> zqrtjeddah:  You may want to create a Win8 startup USB key.  There is a MS tool for that.  Not really a ubuntu question though.
[06:19] <zqrtjeddah> what i put in my usb disk ? just ubuntu 12.10   64bit?
[06:19] <cfhowlett> flintser, over my head ... sorry.  As far as creating multiple accounts I'm pretty sure there's a script to do just that...perhaps a good question for the #ubuntu-server   channel???
[06:20] <zqrtjeddah> just lsat Q pls
[06:20] <cfhowlett> !usb|zqrtjeddah,
[06:20] <zqrtjeddah> yah usb disk
[06:20] <zqrtjeddah> thanxs
[06:20] <zandy> thanks
[06:21] <qq30> is there an ubuntu phone channel yet?
[06:21] <cfhowlett> !phone|qq30,
[06:21] <flintser> cfhowlett: yap, research continues... so far i've only found proper guides for 5.04 :)
[06:22] <cfhowlett> flintser, sounds like an interesting project ... I think the LTSP might have a wiki ...
[06:22] <cfhowlett> !ltsp|flinster
[06:22] <Zach_> hey, can anyone here help me with an installation problem please?
[06:23] <cfhowlett> Zach_, details please ....
[06:26] <g00053> if i want to dual boot do I need to have a seperate /boot partition ?
[06:26] <cfhowlett> g00053, no you don't have to
[06:27] <flintser> cfhowlett: finally found a great looking guide, i was just looking with wrong keywords.. it is fot 11.10 but i think most/all of it will apply in 12.04 too. we had edubuntu environment in our high school, they were using ltsp :)
[06:27] <g00053> okay , and how do I go about setting up my  partitions so that windows doesn't make me reformat my entire hd ?
[06:27] <cfhowlett> flintser, sounds like you're on the path.  best of luck.
[06:27] <chaz68> Hmmm... Maybe this is the answer to my .xsession-errrors and lightdm.log issue...
[06:27] <chaz68> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2107354&highlight=xsessions-errors&page=2
[06:27] <aeon-ltd> g00053: step one, install windows first
[06:27] <dawkirst> hi, say I generate logs in my terminal with `heroku logs --tail`, is there some way I can stream that somewhere so I can show it to someone? (new to Ubuntu, so I might be using all the wrong terms)
[06:27] <cfhowlett> g00053, you installed windows first
[06:27] <g00053> no no ...ubuntu is already installed
[06:28] <aeon-ltd> g00053: boy are in for some work then
[06:28] <cfhowlett> g00053, errrrrrrrr ... this might sting a bit
[06:28] <aeon-ltd> *are you
[06:28] <dr_willis> dawkirst:  use screen and let them ssh in and watch it
[06:28] <chaz68> g00053:  Methinks you should install Windows first then Ubuntu...
[06:28] <dawkirst> dr_willis, no easier way?
[06:28] <dr_willis> dawkirst:  or ssh to their box and pipe it to them
[06:28] <dr_willis> dawkirst:  it all depends on the details
[06:28] <silverone> Hello ! can you guys change your sensitivity in the mouse/touchpad menu?
[06:29] <dawkirst> hm
[06:29] <silverone> for the touchpad*
[06:29] <cfhowlett> g00053, for sake of sanity, I concur.  Install windows then ubuntu
[06:29] <chaz68> g00053:  Grub2 play much easier with the Windows after it is installed...
[06:29] <dawkirst> dr_willis, ok, thanks, let me explore all my avenues first
[06:29] <cfhowlett> silverone, settings > mouse
[06:29] <g00053> dag
[06:29] <g00053> i've been on this install for a while
[06:29] <aeon-ltd> g00053: ok, make space. install windows as if it were your first os. then reinstall grub so you can boot into ubuntu again. when installing windows make sure you choose the right partition and don't overwrite ubuntu
[06:29] <flintser> g00053: cfhowlett: is it possible to use gparted and create unallocated partition, then install win on it, then grub rescue?
[06:29] <silverone> cfhowlett: i've tried that but nothing happens
[06:29] <g00053> the grub thing isn't the issue
[06:30] <g00053> i can deal with that
[06:30] <cfhowlett> flintser, ah, if only t'were so easy, me lad.  possible.  REMOTELY possible.
[06:30] <g00053> windows want to wipe the entire hd if you don't have a "system partition"
[06:30] <g00053> which i though was referinng to a /boot partition
[06:31] <Zach_> cfhowlett, do i need to talk to you here and not private chat?
[06:31] <cfhowlett> g00053, windows will allow you to partition less than 100% oof the hard drive
[06:31] <g00053> yeah
[06:31] <cfhowlett> Zach_, put it in this channel please
[06:31] <flintser> i remember once doing that and ended up with backing up the linux partition afterwards, then doing clean windows install, then creating partition and dropping the backup there...
[06:31] <g00053> but it wants to have a seperate 100 meg "system partition" as well and it doesn't create it unless the hd is wipes
[06:32] <cfhowlett> g00053, even so, assume your ubuntu partition will be toasted.  Just start over.  Save your data to a USB and installl windows..Workarounds rarely are worth the effort
[06:32] <cfhowlett> g00053, the system partition is a windows thing.  live with it
[06:32] <g00053> i was afriad of that
[06:33] <chaz68> g00053 - Unless you can bag the multi-boot idea and consider a VM...
[06:33] <Zach_> 	I have been trying to install ubuntu or kubuntu on my new samsung windows 8 ultrabook, been having some major problems,  	the newest problem is, i get to the grub screen on my live usb and click "Go to Kubuntu" and 5 seconds later i get "Kernal Panic" I have a picture of the kernal panic screen if you need it,  I have been trying to install 12.10 and have tried both Ubuntu and Kubuntu and...
[06:33] <Zach_> ...have followed nearly every tutorial out there
[06:33] <cfhowlett> g00053, hey cup of coffee in between episodes of your favorite tv show and .... done
[06:34] <g00053> yeah haha
[06:34]  * g00053 fires up his gas powered external for back up
[06:34] <cfhowlett> Zach_, samsung?  yep.  You got bit.  Download ubuntu 12.4.2 for the fix
[06:35] <Zach_> lol its actually badass
[06:35] <chaz68> cfhowlett:  Zach_:  Is this the EFI / UEFI problem?
[06:35] <cfhowlett> chaz68, my suspicion is yes.  12.04.2 has the fix though
[06:36] <Zach_> that is possible, i currently have safe boot off
[06:36] <Zach_> and most advanced settings in BIOS
[06:36] <iceroot> Zach_: wait!
[06:36] <chaz68> cfhowlett:  haven't run across this yet but have heard about it.  Going to roll out a new mobo with UEFI tomorrow....
[06:36] <cfhowlett> Zach_, seriously.  read up on this.  samsungs have been BRICKED due a some kind of internal glitch.  Has happened on ubuntu AND windows.  Stop mucking about, get 12.4.2
[06:37] <AcidRain2013> Zach_: i actually heard that microsoft is trying to make it as hard as possible for you to live a happy and free life. dr_willis and i talked about it the other night
[06:37] <Zach_> I will cf
[06:37] <AcidRain2013> cfhowlett: "bricked" is a powerful term
[06:37] <AcidRain2013> and i dont believe that you can brick a computer...
[06:38] <Zach_> he is right
[06:38] <cfhowlett> AcidRain2013, http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/not-good-samsung-uefi-laptops-can-brick-when-booting-ubuntu-20130130/
[06:38] <iceroot> Zach_: read this before http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Booting-Linux-using-UEFI-can-brick-Samsung-laptops-1793958.html
[06:38] <chaz68> AcidRain2013:  Unless you send it to Gigabyte RMA... Then they will send you a bricked mobo back and tell you they fixed it.... :-)
[06:38] <flintser> ot: steam for linux <3 i think i'll be soon able to drop windowdows for good
[06:38] <Zach_> i have read the same thing, i have a Series 5 UltraTouch and have not seen anything about it, the problems are usually with a Series 7 or 9
[06:38] <AcidRain2013> cfhowlett: so your telling me that linux actually makes changes to the mobo?
[06:38] <AcidRain2013> :/
[06:39] <dr_willis> only about 10% of my steam games  have linux ports
[06:39] <iceroot> AcidRain2013: to the firmware
[06:39] <flintser> dr_willis: thats why i said soon
[06:39] <cfhowlett> AcidRain2013, as stated the issue has arisen with linux AND WINDOWS ...
[06:39] <dr_willis> The bricking can happen in windows in some cases ive seen...
[06:39] <iceroot> AcidRain2013: and its not a linux-problem, you can kill the firmware with windows too
[06:39] <flintser> tf and trine works :) that is almost enough...
[06:40] <AcidRain2013> iceroot: why use linux or windows to update firmware to a mobo when you can go to the manufacurer and download from the website their new updates?
[06:40] <AcidRain2013> im just not sure im understanding this properly
[06:40] <iceroot> AcidRain2013: read the article
[06:40] <AcidRain2013> im reading the one that cfhowlett posted?
[06:40] <cfhowlett> AcidRain2013, and most mobo manufacturers have NOT posted a kernel fix on this one yet.
[06:40] <iceroot> AcidRain2013: its not "updating the firmware" its "using values from uefi which is stored in the system and the values are bigger then the allowed size for the variables"
[06:41] <AcidRain2013> iceroot: so it causes something like a bad ass buffer overflow?
[06:41] <AAA> iceroot: I missed the first of this conversation. are you guys talking about coreboot?
[06:41] <cfhowlett> AAA, samsung efi brick
[06:41] <iceroot> AcidRain2013: something like that, yes
[06:41] <iceroot> AcidRain2013: and the bug is the firmware itself not ubuntu and not windows
[06:42] <AcidRain2013> ok, brb, reading now
[06:42] <AcidRain2013> oh that was a short read >_>
[06:42] <Zach_> will Kubuntu 12.04  work too?
[06:43] <AcidRain2013> !efi
[06:43] <cfhowlett> Zach_, 12.4.2
[06:43] <Zach_> ok
[06:43] <AcidRain2013> uefi sounds pointless if u ask me
[06:43] <cfhowlett> Zach_, as I understand all OFFICIAL ubuntu flavors have the fix as of 12.4.2
[06:44] <Zach_> thank you
[06:44] <iceroot> cfhowlett: the bug is in the firmware so ubuntu can not fix the real bug
[06:44] <AcidRain2013> thats like trying to create something better than the cell phone. NOT the software or its protocol technologies, but a completely different device in all
[06:44] <cfhowlett> iceroot, exactly.  "fix" is incorrect.  workaround is better
[06:44] <iceroot> cfhowlett: 12.04.2 is just not using the kernel-modul which is using the bug in the firmware
[06:46] <Zach_> and it would be the amd64 version right?
[06:46] <cfhowlett> Zach_, for your lappy?  yes.
[06:46] <AcidRain2013> ewwww. luckily i never even attempted to use efi. cause i remember my computer asking me at one point. and i was like wtf this stupid ass new stuff. *clicks on bios option*
[06:47] <rohitkav> I am getting this error frequently "Items cannot be installed or removed until the package catalog is repaired. And it asks me to repair". but I am not able to do so
[06:47] <rohitkav> Kindly help
[06:47] <iceroot> !language | AcidRain2013
[06:48] <AcidRain2013> rohitkav: have you tried to clean them?
[06:48] <AcidRain2013> sudo apt-get clean
[06:48] <rohitkav> no AcidRain2013
[06:48] <AAA> rohitkav: can you open a terminal and type apt-get update ?
[06:48] <iceroot> AcidRain2013: clean is not acting on the catalog, clean is just removing the cached *.deb-files
[06:49] <cfhowlett> apt-get update   ????
[06:49] <AcidRain2013> iceroot: possibly bad cache files?
[06:49] <rohitkav> I did it
[06:49] <AcidRain2013> rohitkav: now sudo apt-get update
[06:50] <akiva-mobile> Alright so I have an ubuntu on ssd, and an ubuntu on a external harddrive disk. The ssd can get to grub menu, but no farther.
[06:50] <rohitkav> I did that, but no solution
[06:50] <rohitkav> AcidRain2013,
[06:50] <AAA> rohitkav: any errors/warning? if no, do apt-get -f install
[06:50] <cfhowlett> rohitkav, is this a new installation?  and how did you install it?
[06:50] <rohitkav> ok will try AAA
[06:50] <iceroot> rohitkav: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11080009&postcount=6
[06:51] <Zach_> I am looking at my partitions and meant to ask, I have 8 partitions that come with my ultrabook, is there any way to delete some without messing up my computer?
[06:51] <rohitkav> I get this error " dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching pidgin-facebookchat:i386"
[06:51] <iceroot> Zach_: one of the partitions should be uefi related
[06:52] <cfhowlett> !paste|Zach_, 8 linux partitions??? what?  paste it up!
[06:52] <flintser> Zach_: if you dont know what they are, don't touch them :) i've learned that through the hard way
[06:52] <Zach_> no, windows partitions
[06:52] <rohitkav> " You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[06:52] <rohitkav> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:52] <rohitkav>  pidgin-data : Breaks: pidgin-facebookchat (< 1.69-2) but 1.69 is installed
[06:52] <rohitkav> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[06:52] <rohitkav> "
[06:52] <AcidRain2013> flintser: lol. same here
[06:52] <FloodBot1> rohitkav: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:52] <AcidRain2013> rohitkav: yes. run sudo apt-get -f install
[06:53] <iceroot> rohitkav: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138734/software-center-items-cannot-be-installed-or-removed-until-package-catalog-is
[06:53] <rohitkav> I did that but not change AcidRain2013
[06:54] <Zach_> http://imagebin.org/247250
[06:54] <cfhowlett> rohitkav, now do sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:54] <iceroot> Zach_: as i said, one is uefi related, the others are your data, system recovery and so on
[06:55] <flintser> Zach_: all needed :) except that 16gb might not, but i think its the recovery partition so...
[06:55] <rohitkav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1680261/
[06:55] <rohitkav> I get this error cfhowlett
[06:55] <flintser> but wjhy is there 22gb of unallocated? Zach_
[06:56] <AAA> rohitkav: do this dpkg -l|grep pidgin <-- put in pastebin
[06:56] <mehdi> hey guys im having problem with my sound
[06:56] <AAA> rohitkav: it sounds like you are using too many repos
[06:56] <mehdi> when i turn the volume up my sound stutter
[06:56] <cfhowlett> rohitkav, so it downloaded the package but can't configure yet ...
[06:56] <Zach_> for ubuntu when I install it, I am about to ad about 50gb more
[06:56] <rohitkav> yes cfhowlett
[06:57] <flintser> mehdi: you sure you dont put volume over 100?
[06:57] <AAA> rohitkav: your conflicting packages are because you are using .deb's from different repos/versions
[06:57] <rohitkav> I am not able to even remove pidgin
[06:57] <Zach_> here, much better view of my partitions: http://imagebin.org/247251
[06:57] <AAA> 02-19-00:56 < AAA> rohitkav: do this dpkg -l|grep pidgin <-- put in pastebin
[06:58] <rohitkav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1680264/
[06:58] <rohitkav> AAA check http://paste.ubuntu.com/1680264/
[06:59] <AcidRain2013> rohitkav: ive had issues with the facebook pidgin plugin as well
[06:59] <AAA> rohitkav: can you also do this? ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ && cat /etc/apt/sources.list and put in pastebin?
[07:00] <flintser> opened up allpackages from packages.ubuntu.com... ffuuu
[07:00] <AAA> rohitkav: is this a fresh install or an upgrade of some kind?
[07:00] <chaz68> !logrotate
[07:00] <rohitkav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1680269/
[07:00] <AcidRain2013> AAA: i believe the output was what it was. his pidgin-data if configured will break pidgin-facebookchat
[07:01] <flintser> rohitkav: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/pidgin-facebookchat
[07:01] <Zach_> in LiLi Live USB do I choose the parameters for 12.4.1 LTS since there is no 12.4.2 option?
[07:02] <flintser> Zach_: it really doesnt matter if you have the right iso-downloaded i think
[07:02] <flintser> i've done mint with ubuntu "parameters" and it has always worked