[19:42] <elacheche_anis> Bonsoir willieseabrook & lunapersa :) :)
[19:42] <lunapersa> Bonsoir
[19:42] <lunapersa> @ tous
[19:42] <lunapersa> :D
[19:54] <elacheche_anis> D'accord, juste pour info, on aime bien que le log de cet chennel irc reste clean, pour qu'on peut l'utiliser dans nos rapports (je parle des deux commuanuté là :) ) :) alors nous discuterons ici que les points qu'on a pas discuter sur la ML, et pour le questions et les chat on peut les faire sur #ubuntu-tn ou #drupal-tunisia
[20:00] <lunapersa> Parfait :)
[20:16] <elacheche_anis> Alors, on commence?
[20:16] <elacheche_anis> Je pense qu'on va se baser sur ce mail: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-tn/2013-October/013161.html
[20:16] <willieseabrook> oui
[20:17] <lunapersa> d'accord :)
[20:17] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, vous avez des remarques concernant le mail? Tu pense qu'on doit ajouter quelque chose?
[20:18] <willieseabrook> yes, some things
[20:18]  * elacheche_anis va pas utiliser le système de demande de parole traditionel des meetings car on est déjà 4 et y a pas un risque de trolling
[20:18] <elacheche_anis> ok willieseabrook
[20:18] <willieseabrook> i think my primary concern is ensuring we have stable internet during the event
[20:19] <willieseabrook> i saw you suggested a package mirror
[20:19] <willieseabrook> so i guess to enumerate some questions
[20:20] <elacheche_anis> go ahead
[20:21] <willieseabrook> 1. how exactly will the package mirror work
[20:21] <willieseabrook> 1.a how will this work in with the fact we will be using orange and tunisiana usb dongles to access the internet
[20:21] <willieseabrook> 2. have you used your proposed system configuration before (how confident are you the approach will work on the day)
[20:23] <elacheche_anis> Ok, the mirror will be used as an APT proxy.. so apt will not connect directly to the internet but will connect to the apt-cacher server(it can be any pc) apt-cacher will download all the packages that we need for lamp stack, so if an other pc will try to download them the packages will be served from the apt-cacher server
[20:24] <elacheche_anis> look at the graph http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/_media/image/apt-cacher-server.png?w=450
[20:25] <elacheche_anis> If we have a stable internet connection that can download the lamp server package for one time we can use the same packages for all the other pcs
[20:26] <willieseabrook> like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server
[20:26] <willieseabrook> ?
[20:26] <elacheche_anis> there is an other way to do that without using apt-cacher... we can download lamp stack one in a ubuntu fresh installation then we share the debs using the lan or usb keys then installing them using sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[20:27] <elacheche_anis> yes willieseabrook that's it.. but the installation and the configuration is much easier than what they write in the wiki
[20:27] <elacheche_anis> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/apt-cacher
[20:28] <Drupalizer> just another question : Are you going to create a local network ?
[20:28] <willieseabrook> i don't think that *was* planned, but i think it *should* be planned
[20:29] <elacheche_anis> I was thinking that the room will have already an lan?! :o there is no lan in the city or sciences?! :o
[20:29] <elacheche_anis> ?
[20:30] <willieseabrook> no, last time they said no
[20:30] <willieseabrook> there is wifi, but it is a joke
[20:30] <willieseabrook> worse than dialup
[20:31] <elacheche_anis> We can use a wireless AP to serve our wlan.. So in this case the pc that will be connected to the internet will share it via wifi
[20:31] <Drupalizer> Sharing connections I have a good Wireless card we can use it as AP
[20:32] <Drupalizer> ALPHA AWUS036H
[20:32] <elacheche_anis> ok.. in the worst cases we'll drop any online solution and use the offline solution: <elacheche_anis> there is an other way to do that without using apt-cacher... we can download lamp stack one in a ubuntu fresh installation then we share the debs using the lan or usb keys then installing them using sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[20:33] <elacheche_anis> We need to prepare the two solutions :) if s1 don't work we switch to s2
[20:33] <willieseabrook> with pfsense + computer with 3 lan ports + 2 usb dongles with lan adapters + wireless ap we can build a good network
[20:33] <willieseabrook> see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5COzizaMYQ for the pfsense side
[20:34] <willieseabrook> we MUST have working internet
[20:34] <elacheche_anis> Yes I'm ok.. but I think that there is no ubuntu-tn member in Tunis that can helps you building that :/ unfortunately I'm in sousse :/
[20:35] <willieseabrook> i've spoken to the angry cactus and he's happy to pay for any tech we need to buy
[20:35] <Drupalizer> ^^
[20:35] <willieseabrook> bonsoir rached
[20:35] <rached> bonsoir willieseabrook :)
[20:36] <elacheche_anis> hey rached :)
[20:36] <rached> bonsoir à tous
[20:36] <rached> hey elacheche_anis  :)
[20:36] <Drupalizer> bsr rached
[20:36] <lunapersa> Bonsoir :)
[20:36] <rached> dsl pour le retard !
[20:36] <rached> bonsoir lunapersa :)
[20:36] <elacheche_anis> So willieseabrook who can build that?? Drupalizer or you?
[20:37] <willieseabrook> its possible i could do it
[20:37] <willieseabrook> I've not done network stuff for a while, maybe it would take me a day
[20:38] <willieseabrook> so it's possible
[20:38] <Drupalizer> I am up for it as well :)
[20:39] <elacheche_anis> Ok, or you can just share Internet via you're laptop wifi without any of the other things
[20:41] <willieseabrook> well ultimately my laptop must access the internet somehow
[20:41] <Drupalizer> Yeah but I think we still need cache server because of the down speed :) and packages size
[20:41] <elacheche_anis> it can be done vi the netwok manager
[20:42] <elacheche_anis> the apt-cacher need just apache.. So I don't think that'll be a big problem if we have a shared Internet vi wlan
[20:42] <Drupalizer> good
[20:43] <elacheche_anis> rached, lunapersa any other thoughts??
[20:43] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, any other questions before we move on to the planing :D
[20:44] <lunapersa> no
[20:44] <willieseabrook> that is my question on internet for now. i think it's the major risk factor at the moment - an install party without internet
[20:45] <willieseabrook> i'm happy to discuss planning the actual install stuff, and we can come back to the internet afterwards. i'm doing some research now
[20:45] <Drupalizer> ok
[20:46] <elacheche_anis> Ok.. for the install party, we'll use Live USBs.. we don't have a LoCo pack :(
[20:47] <elacheche_anis> Or we burn some CDs for the event.. I can do that if you think that the usb solution will cause some problems :/
[20:47] <rached> elacheche_anis: may be we could use one of the  "ADSL pack" that the CLLFSM or Netlinks won on the SFD !
[20:48] <elacheche_anis> rached, how? O_o
[20:48] <Drupalizer> I believe USB faster ^^ but how many you can provide ?
[20:49] <rached> we sould just ask them :)
[20:49] <elacheche_anis> Can't understand what you mean rached :) How can we use the ADSL pack in the City of Science?
[20:51] <rached> elacheche_anis: yep : i'm sorry, I didn't pay attention :p
[20:52] <elacheche_anis> LoooL.. So we'll use willieseabrook's solution :) 3G + Sharing
[20:52] <Drupalizer> +1 ^^
[20:52] <willieseabrook> do you guys have any 3g keys?
[20:53] <rached> no
[20:54] <willieseabrook> ok, we have 2
[20:54] <willieseabrook> that's 10 concurrent connections (5 each) in theory
[20:54] <elacheche_anis> I have 2GB data to use in my phone.. we can use my phone to provide 3G too..
[20:55] <willieseabrook> for the install, the ubuntu guys will bring bootable cds to install from?
[20:56] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, we don't have a LoCo pack for now :/ But I can burn some CDs
[20:57] <elacheche_anis> Or we can use Live USBs, Ok, about the question of Drupalizer, we can create USB keys for the persons who needs them, we can have 30min of usb live creation before the Install Party
[20:57] <elacheche_anis> Any ways we'll use Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS
[20:58] <willieseabrook> bienvenue tarekdj
[20:58] <tarekdj> merci willieseabrook :)
[21:01] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, If we'll use USBs so there will be no problem.. we'll share the same image before the Install Party.. Or I'll burn 20 or 30 CDs.. Do we know the many people will be present?
[21:01] <Drupalizer> elacheche_anis I think yeah having both options is better ^^
[21:02] <willieseabrook> more options is always safter
[21:02] <willieseabrook> *always safer
[21:02] <elacheche_anis> +1
[21:02] <elacheche_anis> Do we know the many people will be present?
[21:02] <tarekdj> +1 usb + cd
[21:03] <willieseabrook> awesome, all agreed on that then
[21:03] <willieseabrook> we don't know how many will come. how many do you think we will get if we start promoting the event on Facebook on monday.
[21:05] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, I can be sure that will be at least 1/2 the number of personnes that will hit the "going" button
[21:06] <elacheche_anis> may be 1/3 or 1/4 :D
[21:06] <rached> more than the last time : that's for sure
[21:06] <rached> because there will be a "training"
[21:06] <willieseabrook> so the stats from our last drupal meet up. on Facebook, 271 said yes they would come, 91 said maybe
[21:07] <willieseabrook> and we got 70 coming
[21:07] <willieseabrook> so to estimate, we should use the following figure
[21:07] <willieseabrook> 70/362 = 20% of Facebook registrations
[21:07] <elacheche_anis> :D
[21:08] <willieseabrook> well I'm just happy we have the number. the first time we have *no idea*
[21:09] <elacheche_anis> How many seats do we have in the room?
[21:11] <willieseabrook> enough seats and tables for 60-70 people
[21:12] <willieseabrook> i think enough seats for around 90 - 100 people
[21:12] <willieseabrook> but only enough tables to comfortably seat 60 or 70 i estimate
[21:12] <elacheche_anis> ok
[21:13] <willieseabrook> so we were thinking we would split off visitors onto tables of 5 - 7 people, with 1 - 2 leaders from ubuntu/drupal
[21:13] <willieseabrook> and then just help people through the process
[21:13] <willieseabrook> is that a good way to do it? ubuntu has much more experience in this, so i will do what you suggest
[21:14] <elacheche_anis> that'll be the perfect choice
[21:14] <elacheche_anis> Yes yes.. We was thinking about the same thing too..
[21:14] <Drupalizer> good ^^
[21:14] <elacheche_anis> After 5 or 10 min of presentation we start the workshops with separated groups..
[21:16] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, the event starts @09am??
[21:17] <willieseabrook> well i was thinking that all the organisers arrive around 9am. then we have people come from 11:00am onwards
[21:17] <willieseabrook> we say on the promotion, "you are welcome to arrive from 11:00am to 3:00pm. do not arrive later than 3:00pm if you want to finish"
[21:17] <willieseabrook> that way we:
[21:17] <willieseabrook> 1. leaders get to meet and plan and prepare before people arrive
[21:18] <elacheche_anis> Ok, we'll have just 3 workshops ( ubunu install party, lamp stack installation, drupal installation) ??
[21:18] <willieseabrook> 2. we don't get overwhelmed by everyone coming all at the same time
[21:19] <elacheche_anis> Ok (like that), we'll have just 3 workshops ( ubunu install party, lamp stack installation, drupal installation) ??
[21:19] <willieseabrook> should we even do seperate "workshops"? or just ensure that there's always at least 1 ubuntu expert sitting with each group, 1 lamp expert, 1 drupal expert etc
[21:20] <elacheche_anis> What do you mean by separate workshops?
[21:20] <willieseabrook> you said: "we'll have just 3 workshops ( ubunu install party, lamp stack installation, drupal installation) "
[21:21] <willieseabrook> ahhhh. maybe you mean 3 separate areas. 1 area where people are generally installing ubuntu. then they get up and move to the 2nd area where they generally install lamp. then the 3rd area for drupal?
[21:22] <Drupalizer> No I dont agree with that willieseabrook
[21:22] <elacheche_anis> I thinkvthat we need to start them one by one 1.ubunu install party, 2.lamp stack installation, 3.drupal installation
[21:22] <elacheche_anis> And in that case yes there will be a druapl expert and an ubuntu-tn member in every groupe to help them..
[21:23] <willieseabrook> so everyone who comes starts at the same time? so we should say everyone must arrive at 11am (or 10am etc)
[21:23] <willieseabrook> i'm not sure i understand what you suggest
[21:23] <elacheche_anis> yes..
[21:24] <Drupalizer> I think start installing Ubuntu / Lamp after finishing start installing Drupal
[21:24] <Drupalizer> no need to separate or move to another table ^^
[21:25] <elacheche_anis> So everybody will install ubuntu, then install lamp then install drupal..
[21:25] <Drupalizer> Just An Ubuntu / Drupal guys jumping from a table to another
[21:25] <Drupalizer> mentoring :)
[21:26] <Drupalizer> any suggestion ?
[21:26] <willieseabrook> ok, so we need to ensure that we say on the promotion that everyone must arrive at a specific time
[21:26] <elacheche_anis> That's it..
[21:26] <willieseabrook> what do we do if people come late? some people could come in after an hour or 2 late
[21:27] <Drupalizer> willieseabrook I think anyone come will be served from 11 to 3 pm
[21:28] <willieseabrook> lol i'm so confused. but elacheche_anis said that we must start everyone at the same time, installing ubuntu. then we do a presentation and everyone at the same time installs lamp. then we do a presentation and then everyone installs drupal
[21:28] <willieseabrook> (that's not my suggestion, that's my *understanding* of what everyone else is suggesting)
[21:28] <elacheche_anis> Yes that's what I was thinking about..
[21:28] <elacheche_anis> But you're right if some people come late, how can we react :/
[21:29] <Drupalizer> we cant grantie that everyone gonna come on time
[21:29] <elacheche_anis> rached, lunapersa, kawarizmi any ideas?
[21:29] <Drupalizer> Workshop is dynamic
[21:29] <Drupalizer> Anyone will come will be served :)
[21:29] <Drupalizer> but from 11 am to 3 pm
[21:31] <rached> we have to serve all the pepole all the time but we should make sure that those who will came late will not disturbe the presentations or make a big noise
[21:31] <willieseabrook> rached then those who come late will be forced to wait and do nothing
[21:32] <willieseabrook> we could run a series of sessions. for example, a new group starts every hour
[21:32] <elacheche_anis> How about: we start everyone at the same time, installing ubuntu. then we do a presentation and everyone at the same time installs lamp. then we do a presentation and then everyone installs drupal.. But first we split the people to groups, every group will have mentors, mentors we'll assist one of each group and he will mentor the rest of the group..
[21:33] <Drupalizer> I still think every one come can join a table and other guys can help him
[21:34] <willieseabrook> i have a proposal that fits both of these ideas
[21:34] <elacheche_anis> go ahead
[21:34] <willieseabrook> one that helps us show people in large groups, but also allows for dynamic learning and people coming through the day
[21:34] <willieseabrook> i will type it now, 2 mins
[21:35] <elacheche_anis> ok
[21:38] <willieseabrook> the room is large, and can be split into two rooms with a type of half sound proof wall. in the first half of the room, it is run presentation style. with 3 presentations. 11:00am ubuntu install live on screen, step by step. 12:30 lamp install live on screen, 2:00 drupal install live on screen). but in the other half, we have full communal tables, where anyone can come and go without disturbing the presentation (because of the
[21:38] <willieseabrook> separating wall) and there they can get full help after the presentation.
[21:38] <willieseabrook> so
[21:38] <willieseabrook> 1. we ask that anyone who wants to be a leader arrives at 9:30am.
[21:38] <willieseabrook> 2. anyone who wants to have their laptop installed can come between 11:00am to 3:00pm, advising them that the whole process will take around 3 hours, and that they must not arrive after 3:00pm (if they want to finish before the end of the day. they are still welcome to come, but just not with the expectation of finishing)
[21:38] <willieseabrook> 3. that there are three session starting times: 11:00am ubuntu install. 12:30 lamp install, 2:00pm drupal install
[21:39] <willieseabrook> for the leaders at 9:30am, we can all meeting each other and chat, and prepare and agree exactly what we will teach and how
[21:40] <elacheche_anis> +1
[21:41] <lunapersa> +1  aussi
[21:41] <elacheche_anis> The leaders must be members of Drupal-Tunisia or utn?
[21:41] <willieseabrook> anyone, drupal tunisia, ubuntu tunisia
[21:41] <rached> +1
[21:41] <elacheche_anis> And if we'll have 30 leaders :D !?
[21:41] <willieseabrook> it's more "anyone with skills they want to share"
[21:41] <willieseabrook> thats what i mean by leader
[21:42] <willieseabrook> they should have enough skills to be able to help noobs
[21:42] <elacheche_anis> Ok.. So we need to say that in the event announcement
[21:43] <willieseabrook> cool, we'll email a draft of that on monday morning, before we post it on facebook
[21:43] <willieseabrook> are ubuntu team going to share it on their pages and groups?
[21:43] <elacheche_anis> Ok.. So everyone who think that he can help noobs he comes @ 9am30 and we teach them what we'll do?!
[21:44] <willieseabrook> yes, i think thats best
[21:44] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, You can create the FB event usgin DT page or your own FB account, then add me or Ubuntu-tn (the page) as host so we can spread the info as Ubuntu-tn..
[21:45] <willieseabrook> awesome. karim will create the event, then add us as admins
[21:45] <elacheche_anis> For as we must create w wiki page & an event in our loco directory..
[21:46] <willieseabrook> at our last drupal event, we also collected names and experience levels in drupal. so the people who said they had (a) a lot of drupal experience and (b) would like to help at events, karim will also be calling them to ask them to come as leaders. as an extra push to encourage them to get involved
[21:47] <elacheche_anis> Ok :D I can help installing drupal too :D I was using it since 2010 and my blog using Drupal :D
[21:49] <willieseabrook> i can help installing ubuntu too. without ubuntu, drupal would suck :D
[21:50] <elacheche_anis> :D We're the same team :D
[21:51] <willieseabrook> so, back to the network, i've been doing some research
[21:51] <Drupalizer> -1 ^^
[21:51] <Drupalizer> still dont agree on presentations live install on a video projector and separation :)
[21:51] <willieseabrook> does anybody have an old PC with at least 3 PCI slots, preferably 4 (for 3 or 4 network ports)
[21:52] <willieseabrook> Drupalizer anyone who doesn't want to join in on them, doesn't have to. they can stay in the communal area
[21:52] <Drupalizer> Okay
[21:52] <willieseabrook> someone could come and stay all day just hanging out and helping/coding/hacking whatever, without attending a single presentation
[21:53] <willieseabrook> we're going to have a difficult time to buy a PC with 3-4 network cards, within 1 week in tunis
[21:54] <elacheche_anis> willieseabrook, did you look at the easiest way to share 3G via WiFi using the Ubuntu Network Manager?? :D :D
[21:56] <Drupalizer> I have a good wireless card
[21:56] <willieseabrook> elacheche_anis sharing the wifi is not a problem, we have shareable wifi from tunisiana
[21:56] <Drupalizer> USB
[21:56] <willieseabrook> the live3g things, they create a wifi network for up to 5 computes
[21:56] <willieseabrook> that's not a problem. the problem is that they only allow 5 connections, and that we need to also connect them to a package cache
[21:58] <elacheche_anis> :/ I never try the live3G solution so can't really help from here, sorry :/ :(
[21:58] <Drupalizer> Ok here it is what I mean
[21:58] <Drupalizer> I use the orange USB in a computer which gonna be an AP
[21:59] <Drupalizer> sharing connection for more than 5 Pc's
[21:59] <Drupalizer> ^^
[21:59] <willieseabrook> yes, that's possible
[21:59] <willieseabrook> but then we still only have a single 3g connection for up to 50 computers
[22:00] <willieseabrook> we also need an apt-cache server and possibly also a caching proxy server
[22:00] <willieseabrook> like squid
[22:02] <elacheche_anis> :/
[22:02] <willieseabrook> http://itkia.com/using-squid-to-cache-apt-updates-for-debian-and-ubuntu/
[22:04] <elacheche_anis> good..
[22:05] <elacheche_anis> Would you like to ask in our ML if someone from Tunis can help you on that?
[22:05] <willieseabrook> yea, we need a reliable computer supplier
[22:05] <willieseabrook> i look online, and it looks like we can buy a computer for ~500 dinars
[22:06] <willieseabrook> but we can't afford to wait for them to get one from a supplier. we need to be able to walk in and buy it
[22:07] <willieseabrook> then Drupalizer I'll buy that shit access point i found (a bad access point is better than no access point)
[22:07] <willieseabrook> then we can set it up in a day, and we should be OK
[22:08] <Drupalizer> Ok willieseabrook
[22:09] <elacheche_anis> Ok..
[22:10] <willieseabrook> hopefully this will work
[22:11] <willieseabrook> oh yea, Drupalizer before we buy we should ask Dali if he has a spare computer
[22:11] <willieseabrook> he may have other computers at home that he hasn't taken into the office yet
[22:12] <Drupalizer> Yep
[22:13] <willieseabrook> this is what we need
[22:13] <willieseabrook> http://www.startech.com/Networking-IO/Adapter-Cards/4-Port-PCI-Express-Gigabit-Ethernet-NIC-Network-Adapter-Card~ST1000SPEX4
[22:14] <elacheche_anis> Good luck to find it :/
[22:15] <willieseabrook> yea lol. that was more me expressing a dream
[22:15] <willieseabrook> not a statement of reality
[22:15] <willieseabrook> :D
[22:16] <elacheche_anis> x)
[22:18] <elacheche_anis> So.. Did we discuss all the points or there is something else?
[22:19] <willieseabrook> i think everything has been discussed for now
[22:19] <willieseabrook> unless someone else has something to say?
[22:19] <willieseabrook> what URL do these chats get logged to elacheche_anis?
[22:20] <elacheche_anis> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/09/%23ubuntu-tn-meeting.html
[22:20] <elacheche_anis> The bot will finishing his job after we quitte the channel :D
[22:20] <Drupalizer> good
[22:20] <elacheche_anis> There is a text version too if you don't like html
[22:21] <elacheche_anis> So, if ther is something else we can discuss it via the ML utn, there is no dtn ML?
[22:23] <willieseabrook> no stn mailing list yet
[22:23] <willieseabrook> *DTN
[22:23] <willieseabrook> it's on our TODO list
[22:24] <elacheche_anis> :D
[22:26] <elacheche_anis> Ok then.. We finish here :D Thank you very much willieseabrook :D I'm so glad to have this discussion with you :D thanks to Drupalizer, rachedn kawarizmi and lunapersa too :D
[22:26] <kawarizmi> حظا طيبا
[22:26] <Drupalizer> yw ^^
[22:26] <lunapersa> ^^
[22:26] <willieseabrook> thanks to everyone. this was great. i'm very excited to be working together
[22:27] <willieseabrook> next saturday will be fun!
[22:27] <rached> you're welcome ;)
[22:27] <Drupalizer> and Thanks everyone
[22:28] <Drupalizer> G.N
[22:28] <elacheche_anis> Would you please quite the channel :D So ubuntulog2 can finish his job :D :D :D we switch to #druapl-tunisia and/or #ubuntu-tn :D


[00:01] <CrystalVoid> qman__,  mostley iscsi + zfs probley ...  so yah loads of software work
[00:02] <qman__> how many disks, and what sort of data rates you want to achieve?
[00:03] <qman__> also, are you getting a good disk controller?
[00:03] <CrystalVoid> no firm count on disk atm .. but 2 to 8 ish probley  .. .// controller .. whatever is onbord .. i hate it but i am forced to use scrap whatever i can dig up
[00:04] <CrystalVoid> speeds ... i hope to use some minor compression so 60 to80 would be good .. but ill take what i can get
[00:04] <qman__> then it's not worth bothering with the better chip
[00:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> qman__:  question, so as long as I dont install the kerberos PAM package there's no risk of breaking the standard UNIX local login/authentication system?
[00:04] <qman__> the controller will be a tighter bottleneck
[00:05] <qman__> TheEvilPhoenix, so long as PAM is not modified, local authentication will not be affected
[00:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> ah very good
[00:05] <qman__> I can't say whether the package you want to install will modify PAM or not
[00:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> qman__:  i think kerberos has its own PAM package... but i'll check
[00:06] <twb> In current releases the manifest will give a good hint, because it will provide files in thingo
[00:07] <twb> /usr/share/pam/ ?
[00:07] <CrystalVoid> thank you qman__  :)  i think that tips me in faver of the smaller chip
[00:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> lemme check
[00:07] <twb> There's a directory that gets turned into pam by a debconf clicky-clicky checklist UI thing
[00:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> because it loads a few parameters
[00:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/parameters/prereqs/
[00:07] <twb> Not /usr/share/pam
[00:10] <qman__> CrystalVoid, you're only looking at ~20% difference between them anyway, so if power or cost is a concern, the less powerful chip is the better choice
[00:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> twb:  the libpam-krb5 package isnt being installed, and that package installs the Kerberos auth module for PAM, so I should be good right?
[00:11] <twb> TheEvilPhoenix: libpam-krb5 *is* the pam krb auth module.
[00:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> but its not required for the package i needed to install
[00:11] <twb> Oh, right, I misread you
[00:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> so i'm trying to make sure that that module is *not* installed
[00:12] <twb> Sure.
[00:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> so it doesnt override the base UNIX authentication
[00:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> and if all else fails, uninstall everything with purge, right? XD
[00:13] <twb> AFAIK even if you did install libpam-krb5 noninteractively, it still wouldn't break local flat-file authentication.
[00:13] <qman__> yeah, it would just add krb5 to it
[00:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> it did that with a Ubuntu server I used once before
[00:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> so :p
[00:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> i like to be preemptive and ask rather than be sorry later
[00:13] <qman__> now, if krb5 is horribly, horribly broken, it may effectively break local auth
[00:13] <twb> I suspect you managed to contribute to that case.
[00:14] <twb> qman__: it's not so much "broken" as "special"
[00:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> stop blaming this on pebkac
[00:26] <nonotza> anyone know if wireshark is available for shell only?
[00:26] <utlemming> yeah, its call tshark
[00:27] <utlemming> although "tcpdump -w pcap" will give you a dump that you can import into the GUI version
[00:27] <nonotza> thanks
[00:29] <twb> tshark can do that too, obviously
[00:29] <twb> If you have enough disk space for the pcap, I would run tcpdump on the router or server, tho, because it's deps are far smaller than tshark's
[00:34] <Zimsky> Does anyone know of any fan speed control software?
[00:35] <Zimsky> For controlling system fans both manually and automatically.
[00:47] <twb> Zimsky: that's done in the kernel.
[00:47] <Zimsky> Oh
[00:48] <twb> There's also fancontrol - utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[00:48] <twb> but IIRC it's only for stuff the normal kernel can't talk to, or it's obsoleted by the kernel stuff.
[00:48] <twb> You probably want something like /sys/class/fan
[00:48] <Zimsky> what is that?
[00:49] <twb> Zimsky: /sys/ is a pseudofilesystem used to talk to the kernel
[00:49] <Zimsky> so how do I use it?
[00:49] <twb> I don't know.
[00:50] <twb> Usually I stop caring once the fan slows down on its own, because I trust the kernel to make reasonable decisions.
[00:55] <twb> kernel question: can I "reload" a ko while it's in use?
[00:55] <twb> The manufacturer says "If you reload the solos-pci module it should reset the Solos chipsets."
[00:55] <twb> # rmmod solos-pci; modprobe solos-pci ==> ERROR: Module solos_pci is in use
[01:01] <twb> Apparently even stopping the pppds didn't allow me to rmmod it :-/
[01:49] <serue> SpamapS: lp:~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/oneiric/lxc/lxc-<IP_ADDRESS>-cleanup-patches/ / http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_<IP_ADDRESS>-0.3ubuntu3-pkg has been cleaned up, thanks to broder
[01:54] <serue> SpamapS: when you get a chance, pls re-pull and, if it looks ok, push?
[01:54] <alamar> where exactly are the scripts that do the networking setup nowadays? (with upstart and such)
[01:56] <serue> alamar: some is in /etc/network/if-up.d/upstart;  some in /etc/init/network*
[01:56] <alamar> thank you
[01:59] <alamar> the reason I ask is I was wondering if ubuntu uses ifconfig/route or iproute2 for initial network setup on boot
[01:59] <twb> alamar: by default it uses the old stuff (see "ifupdown" package).
[02:00] <twb> alamar: you can easily use "manual" stanzas in interfaces(5) to use iproute2 instead, and there is a minority of people (inc. me) who do this.
[02:00] <twb> alamar: also, NM will do whatever the hell it does.
[02:01] <serue> if you let it :)  the fiend
[02:01] <twb> Step #1 is purge NM
[02:06] <twb> alamar: here's a very complex iproute2-based interfaces(5) -- http://paste.debian.net/122735/
[02:32] <StrangeCharm> after doing a fresh install, after grub, i just get a blinking cursor. i've tried a couple of times, with no luck. what am i doing wrong here?
[02:34] <twb> StrangeCharm: IMO?  Using grub
[02:34]  * twb is a grub hater.
[02:35] <StrangeCharm> imo?
[02:35] <StrangeCharm> grub's the default?
[02:35] <twb> In My Opinion
[02:36] <twb> For some reason Ubuntu and Debian use syslinux for CDs and USB keys and network installs, but still use grub for hard disks.  IMO syslinux (as extlinux) should also be used for hard disks, because it is simple and deterministic and it Just Works.
[02:37] <twb> (The argument against it is that some people have weird setups, like 2007-era EFI-only macbooks, and syslinux doesn't support those.)
[03:10] <shang> hi all, anyone here has used orchestra before to deploy Ubuntu server?
[03:20] <twb> Never heard of it.
[03:22] <lifeless> twb: new bootstrap thingy in oneiric
[03:22] <lifeless> twb: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-May/001881.html
[03:22] <twb> as in a replacement for debootstrap?
[03:22] <lifeless> layers on top AIUI
[03:23] <lifeless> replacement for kickstart perhaps
[03:27] <twb> But kickstart is totally useless for debian, because preseeding is already there, better supported, and prettier
[03:27] <twb> Er, s/debian/ubuntu/
[03:29] <twb> lifeless: orchestra looks more like FAI
[04:10] <twb> Sheesh, source format 1.0 in a new ubuntu-driven project?  Someone's a 3.0 hater.
[04:12] <twb> lifeless: yeah, orchestra is definitely in the same category of thing as FAI
[04:29] <DanaG1> hmm, I wonder how long it'll take before btrfs gets a fsck that'll fix things.
[04:37] <DanaG1> hmm, I figured out what's happening with my slow boot...
[04:37] <DanaG1> It sits at a blank cursor before the message that says something about starting kernel.
[05:32] <rixius> I'm trying to get ubuntu-server on my macbook, that  has a broken display.   How is that supposed to be per-connection when you have two PPPoA lines?
[05:56] <twb> ifupdown and ppp are like sausages, don't look at how they're made :-/
[06:01] <twb> What I'm actually doing is replacing ifdown's totally useless ppp integration with an upstart job that calls "pppd call foo" for each PPPoA line, because APPARENTLY pppd, despite being told "persist", will simply exit if you leave the line unplugged for ten minutes, and never come back up.
[06:01] <twb> >grrr<
[06:01] <twb> Also, WTF is with ifupdown being written in noweb
[06:05] <lifeless> twb: it was al the rage
[06:06] <twb> It just reinforces that ifupdown needs to die
[06:10] <twb> So it turns out that despite (AFAICT) being coded to do so, ifupdown is simply not passing "unit 0" to the pppd call (via pon), so it's only by complete accident that I've been getting correct pppN numbers by now.
[06:11] <twb> (I would have used meaningful names for my ppp ifaces, except that pppd encodes iface names as ints, not strings :-/ )
[06:12] <lifeless> pppd is pretty old itself
[06:15] <DanaG1> okay, I decided to go with Ubuntu Server + zfs.
[06:15] <DanaG1> All I care about is that the FS works, and that it's not a royal pain to do anything like it is with openindiana.
[06:17] <twb> lifeless: yeah, I could really do without ever having to touch ppp or radius ever
[06:46] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[06:57] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[06:58] <Tommy_nmw> who could help in EVDO connection?
[07:26] <twb> What is an EVDO?
[07:27] <e_t_> It's a type of "3G" cellular data service.
[07:27] <twb> Oh that stuff
[07:28] <twb> Dunno, but I hear people do pppd with strange AT codes to make 3G go
[07:29] <Tommy_nmw> Evolution-Data Optimized
[07:30] <Tommy_nmw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized
[10:44] <twister004> hi guys... how can I manually configure my wireless interface in ubuntu?
[12:03] <Ursinha> buenos dias, amigos
[12:30] <shingen> my headless server died... removed hdd, trying to boot in vbox but I get nothing.  where can I start with troubleshooting boot issues?
[13:05] <lynxman> Ursinha: morgen
[13:16] <shingen> blargh, grub got hosed, strange
[13:58] <jamespage> kirkland: around?
[14:07] <ConstantineXVI> for an XMPP server, if you only have the server port open outside your firewall, no one on the outside can log on or create accounts, right?
[14:19] <joschi> ConstantineXVI: yes
[14:19] <ConstantineXVI> joschi: good, thanks
[14:19] <joschi> ConstantineXVI: but usually you can also configure these permissions in most XMPP servers
[14:19] <joschi> ConstantineXVI: at least the registration part
[14:22] <ConstantineXVI> joschi: want just anything inside the firewall (aws group, actually) to be able to register, but people on the outside still able to talk to the bot
[15:34] <kirkland> jamespage: howdy
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> utlemming_: btw... you didn't need to roll back to natty , i lots keyboard/mouse too. You just needed to delete /run/udev
[16:29] <patrickmw> jamespage: I thought I was added to ~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev but I'm not on the members list.  Did you add me to a different project?
[16:34] <jamespage> patrickmw: i'll check a bit later
[16:35] <patrickmw> jamespage: ack. I have a branch I want to propose
[16:35] <jamespage> hmm - you should be able todo that without being a member
[16:45] <T3CHKOMMIE> hey everyone got a really quick hardware question for you. im rutting an Zotac ION N330 board and im trying to figure out if a mini ITX FF 150 psu will run that and a 2.5 hdd
[16:46] <T3CHKOMMIE> 150W that is.
[16:47] <baggar11> T3CHKOMMIE: is there something about that config that makes you think it won't work?
[16:49] <T3CHKOMMIE> saw a review on the PSU some guy was complaining it wouldnt run his N330
[16:49] <T3CHKOMMIE> seems strange to me, i imagin a atom wont draw that much
[16:51] <patdk-wk> looks like it won't work :( n330 needs like 90watts, and the 2.5" drive needs 10watts
[16:51] <T3CHKOMMIE> 150 isnt enought?
[16:51] <patdk-wk> for 100watts?
[16:51] <patdk-wk> hopefully, unless it's a crappy 150watt psu :)
[16:52] <T3CHKOMMIE> seems like its crappy.... i need an emergency replacement case and psu for a busted server.
[16:52] <patdk-wk> can't believe that thing needs 90watts
[16:52] <T3CHKOMMIE> looking to just get bye until payday.
[16:52] <patdk-wk> my atom laptop uses 7watts, including the screen and 2.5" drive
[16:52] <T3CHKOMMIE> mother board says its a 8w TPU
[16:52] <T3CHKOMMIE> TDP* sorry
[16:52] <baggar11> T3CHKOMMIE: I think you'd be fine
[16:54] <T3CHKOMMIE> baggar11 ill bite the bullet and order it and hope it all works. might have a problem when doing 1080p but for now i think it will work?
[17:11] <_ruben> my atoms have 90W psus iirc
[17:13] <patdk-wk> mine only has a 40watt
[17:17] <DanaG> !find libmono-remoting
[17:18] <DanaG> where is libmono-remoting?
[17:18] <DanaG> System.Runtime.Remoting
[17:18] <DanaG> ah, libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil
[17:20] <fowlduck> I'm trying to find out if apache 2.2.17 on ubuntu natty suffers from these vulnerabilities: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-1928 and http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-0419
[17:20] <fowlduck> I can't find anything on the bug tracker or in the ubuntu changelog, but I could just be crappy at searching launchpad
[17:21] <Pici> fowlduck: See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2011/CVE-2011-0419 and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2011/CVE-2011-1928
[17:21] <Pici> uvirtbot: thats annoying.
[17:21] <Pici> Theres a CVE search somewhere in Launchpad, but this tool is much nicer.
[17:22] <fowlduck> cool, thanks
[17:28] <utlemming_> smoser: ping
[17:29] <smoser> here
[17:30] <utlemming_> smoser: I take it we want to have new live-build scripts generate VMDK, OVF and tarballs correct?
[17:32] <smoser> well, you can probably re-use the stuff
[17:33] <smoser> vmdk is generated from the partition image
[17:33] <smoser> but yeah
[17:33] <utlemming> okay, I'll dig on that. thanks
[17:59] <bencc> ubuntu server doesn't come with ntp installed, right?
[17:59] <bencc> is it standard to install the ntp package to sync the clock?
[18:02] <Pici> bencc: ntpdate is installed by default, but not ntp.  And yes, I'd install it for properly maintaining time
[18:03] <smoser> utlemming, the goal really woudl be to just drop in a different "vmbuidler" command. and have everything else just work as is
[18:03] <bencc> Pici: ntp or openntpd ?
[18:04] <Pici> bencc: It looks like openntpd doesn't change the clock's rate, which I feel is one of the main features of ntp.
[18:04] <utlemming> smoser: yup, that is my goal
[18:04] <bencc> Pici: ok. thanks
[18:04] <utlemming> smoser: I want to make this as simple as I can
[18:04] <smoser> yeah.
[18:05] <smoser> we should be comparing the filesystem content output
[18:05] <smoser> between the two
[18:05] <smoser> we need to be aware of everything that is different, and understand why
[18:06] <utlemming> I did a pass of that yesterday and am working out the differences now.
[18:07] <utlemming> The biggest difference I've found is that the new images don't have grub2 files dropped to /boot/grub, so I'm going to get that fixed.
[18:08] <utlemming> I also did a md5 comparision to try and spot configuration difference. I have to follow up by diff'ing them.
[18:33] <serue_> SpamapS: lp:~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/oneiric/lxc/lxc-<IP_ADDRESS>-cleanup-patches/ / http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_<IP_ADDRESS>-0.3ubuntu3-pkg has been cleaned up, thanks to broder
[18:33] <serue_> SpamapS: when you get a chance, could you pls re-pull and, if it looks ok, push?
[18:35] <SpamapS> serue_: sorry I've been wrapped up in a bunch of other things. I'll take a look soon.
[18:53] <serue_> SpamapS: np, thanks!
[19:23] <serue_> Daviey: .
[19:26] <smoser> soren, can you verify ? 810074
[19:27] <smoser> s/verify/confirm/
[19:32] <soren> bug 810074
[19:32] <soren> smoser: Uh..
[19:33] <soren> smoser: a) I don't know what Pendactyl is, b) I don't really use Firefox.
[19:33] <soren> smoser: Is that really the bug you meant? If so, I wonder why you're asking me :)
[19:33] <smoser> pentadactyl is to vimperator what openstack is to eucalyptus (sort of)... a more open and usable fork.
[19:34] <smoser> i thought you were a vimperator user
[19:45] <Aison> how can I disable the cpu frequency scaling?
[19:45] <Aison> is that some bios thingie or some ubuntu server thingie?
[19:53] <soren> smoser: I use Chrome, actually.
[19:53] <soren> smoser: I occasionally miss vimperator, though.
[19:53] <smoser> soren, chrome schmome
[21:54] <tkeith> How can I figure out if I'm vulnerable to CVE-2011-1770? Is DCCP something that's enabled by default?
[21:55] <tkeith> Ha, what a smart bot :) My question still stands though.
[23:02] <patdk-lap> tkeith, strip all dccp off packets on your network
[23:02] <patdk-lap> or have your switch do it
[23:03] <tkeith> patdk-lap: So, assuming everything outside the server is untrusted, it'd be vulnerable?
[23:03] <patdk-lap> would say so
[23:04] <tkeith> patdk-lap: Ok, thank you, that's what I needed to know


[06:24] <Nafallo> morning
[08:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:21] <foobarry> Under the new eligibility requirements announced today, your YouTube channel, is no longer eligible for monetization because it doesn’t meet the new threshold of 4,000 hours of watchtime within the past 12 months and 1,000 subscribers.
[09:21] <foobarry> thats youtube
[09:22] <foobarry> thanks*
[09:28] <diplo> Did you ever make money anyhoo foobarry ?
[09:31] <foobarry> no!
[09:31] <foobarry> not enough for the threshold to be triggered
[09:31] <foobarry> but i lived in hope
[09:36] <diplo> Sounds like to much effort to me :)
[09:36] <diplo> It's a nice to have, get yourself up there and do re-ask
[10:50] <SuperMatt> <3 new digital ocean droplet sizes and charges
[10:57]  * daftykins has a look
[10:58] <SuperMatt> I was on a 2G 2core 40G box for $20, and now I have 2G 2core 60G for for $15
[10:59] <daftykins> :) i was on the lowest so i'm doubling RAM to 1GB and that's it, i think
[11:01] <daftykins> i wonder if i have to power off and on to get the new RAM
[11:01] <SuperMatt> You need to perform a resize
[11:02] <SuperMatt> which requires you to power it off first
[11:02] <daftykins> nah i'm not regaining disk space on mine, just getting more RAM
[11:02] <daftykins> er gaining, not regaining
[11:03] <SuperMatt> Look at the flexible options at the bottom, you might find one which fits your needs
[11:04] <daftykins> mmm nah 3x the price
[11:06] <SuperMatt> fair enough
[11:26] <foobarry> hows the new job SuperMatt
[11:28] <SuperMatt> going well
[11:29] <SuperMatt> a little slow to start because everyone's busy and there's a lot ot learn
[12:36] <foobarry> yeah happens a lot
[12:36] <foobarry> you can always read every ticket on the ticket system
[12:37] <foobarry> one new starter did that and got a massive powerup in knowledge
[12:37] <SuperMatt> I'm just doing some work to make sure I can interact easily with terraform
[12:45] <SuperMatt> I've spent the majority of this and last week getting to grips with their main repos
[13:34] <m0nkey_> foobarry: It's screwed me over. I have three FreeNAS videos that easily get the required hours, but I don't have enough subscribers.
[14:09] <foobarry> isn't it an OR
[14:09] <foobarry> AND sucks
[14:09] <foobarry> it's like they want to lose user content
[14:57] <m0nkey_> foobarry: I will likely find another place to host the videos
[14:57] <m0nkey_> Majority of the views come from the FreeNAS forum anyway, so moving them isn't a huge headache.