[00:06] <Alvinvvbvv> Stroganoff, thanks. But unfortunately, there is no such option in there.
[00:06] <Stroganoff> is it the screen where you can change the wallpaper?
[00:07] <Stroganoff> at the bottom there should be 4 checkboxes for disabling the special icons
[00:07] <Alvinvvbvv> ok, I see them now
[00:08] <Alvinvvbvv> they are unchecked, icons are still visible, how can it be?
[00:08] <testecletes> I'm trying to install 7.10 and it seems that my CPU keeps running at 100%
[00:09] <Stroganoff> Alvinvvbvv edit the file ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc
[00:10] <Stroganoff> testecletes at what point?
[00:11] <Alvinvvbvv> show-trash is set to false
[00:11] <testecletes> It's during the post-installation, after I restart from the LiveCD
[00:11] <testecletes> i'm going to try reinstalling it, and i'll see what's taking up so much
[00:12] <Stroganoff> testecletes you could try the alternate iso
[00:12] <testecletes> i'll look into that :)
[00:13] <testecletes> I'm wondering though, the xfce windows manager loads up fine
[00:13] <testecletes> and then in the middle of it, it starts getting very very laggy
[00:18] <Stroganoff> testecletes you could also try my icewm desktop, its more light weight and uses the alternate iso
[00:18] <Stroganoff> join #ubuntu-light-script then
[00:19] <testecletes> alright, great
[00:19] <testecletes> thanks Stroganoff :)
[00:20] <Stroganoff> install a minimal cli system with the ubuntu alternate iso if you want to use my script
[00:23] <newscane> I have a question about a new install..
[00:23] <Stroganoff> ok
[00:25] <newscane> running 7.10 on a P3 450 (yes, a bit old).  video card is an nvidia riva tnt.  once i boot from CD, all i'm getting out of X is a lot of flickers.  no desktop.  what do i need to do..?
[00:29] <Stroganoff> use ctrl+alt+f8 (for example) to get a shell. then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace nvidia with vesa
[00:29] <Stroganoff> on the other hand i would just use the alternate installer (text based but easy to use)
[00:29] <Stroganoff> furthermore on such old hardware i'd use my icewm install script (sry guys)
[00:30] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[00:32] <newscane> hmm
[00:33] <newscane> that looks promising
[00:33] <newscane> so i get to download another ISO... fun
[00:33] <Stroganoff> well it is
[00:33] <Stroganoff> pretty new though
[00:33] <newscane> i started w/ the latest debian (since that's what i'ved used on other boxes)
[00:33] <newscane> but i was having major issues with my wifi
[00:33] <newscane> so i tried regular ubuntu
[00:33] <Stroganoff> i'd use debian myself if ubuntu wasn't so super awesome :D
[00:33] <newscane> it recognized it
[00:34] <newscane> then realized xubuntu may be better for my older hardware
[00:35] <newscane> and grabbed that one this afternoon
[00:35] <testecletes> sweet, thanks for that link dude
[00:35] <testecletes> appreciate it Stroganoff
[00:36] <testecletes> im going with xubuntu alt. iso
[00:36] <Stroganoff> i'll upload a new version in a couple of minutes
[00:36] <testecletes> or, just ubuntu alt iso rather
[00:36] <testecletes> Strog: is that your site?
[00:37] <testecletes> oh, the forum answered it for me
[00:37] <testecletes> thanks :)
[00:37] <Stroganoff> xubuntu alternate iso should work
[00:37] <Stroganoff> just install cli system
[00:38] <testecletes> alright
[00:38] <Stroganoff> join that channel for further instructions: #ubuntu-light-script
[00:39] <testecletes> for some odd reason i cant seen to join that channel
[00:39] <Stroganoff> join #icebuntu then
[00:39] <testecletes> gotcha
[00:49] <newscane> i'm grabbing the iso now, i'll take a look at it tomorrow.  thanks for the help!
[01:05] <testecletes> hullo
[01:05] <testecletes> hey Stroganoff, what was your channel again?
[01:05] <Stroganoff> #icebuntu
[01:06] <testecletes> for some strange reason my home directory's .dmrc file's permissions were changed...
[01:06] <testecletes> had to work on that for a minute
[01:06] <testecletes> thanks for the recommendation for xchat, its working fine
[01:06] <testecletes> the ubuntu alternate iso CLI is taking some time though (on a 800mhz 256ram tablet pc)
[01:22] <Iskr> testecletes, how did you perform the installation?
[01:22] <Iskr> had the tablet a cd drive?
[01:23] <testecletes> yeah, this computer doesn't have an internal optical drive, so im using an external usb dvd-rom drive
[01:23] <testecletes> right now, im installing the CLI base from the Alternate CD
[01:23] <Iskr> so you had "Boot from usb" in bios?
[01:23] <testecletes> its been stuck at 95% for a good 20 minutes
[01:23] <testecletes> unfortunately, it doesn't read pendrives or thumbdrives for some odd reason
[01:23] <testecletes> yet it seems to pick up the external hard drive quite well
[01:23] <Iskr> what tablet is it?
[01:24] <testecletes> the acer travelmate c100
[01:24] <Iskr> ah ok
[01:24] <testecletes> have you any experience with it?
[01:25] <Iskr> no i have no experience with tablet but i'm willing to try one beacause it could be a solution for a problem: how to read comfortably ebooks
[01:25] <testecletes> oh yeah, definitely, it will be great for reading ebooks :)
[01:26] <Stroganoff> Iskr only epaper is comfortable for reading ebooks
[01:26] <Iskr> Stroganoff, i am afraid you are right
[01:26] <Iskr> still
[01:26] <Stroganoff> unfortunatly theres no epaper-reader with open source software
[01:26] <Iskr> i would like
[01:26] <Iskr> to try a tablet
[01:26] <Stroganoff> amazon has released an ereader but software and formats suck
[01:27] <Iskr> yes i have seen it
[01:27] <Iskr> Stroganoff, have you ever tried a tablet for ebooks?
[01:27] <Stroganoff> nope i'm just saying
[01:27] <Stroganoff> solely for battery life
[01:27] <Stroganoff> epaper needs no power while displaying
[01:27] <Iskr> i don't think it is a major issue...
[01:28] <Iskr> one or two hours of reading could be enough
[01:29] <Iskr> i tried to read with a 14" screen laptop, rotating it of 90° counterclockwise
[01:30] <Iskr> i had some problem with light incidence on the screen
[01:30] <Iskr> i think that a tablet would have been much better =P
[01:30] <Iskr> unfortunately they cost MUCH
[04:12] <cdecarlo> hi, I accidentally kill -1'd the panels in xfce, what's the command to load them up again?
[04:14] <Stroganoff> xfce4-panel
[04:14] <Stroganoff> alt+f2
[04:34] <duwee> anybody home?
[04:36] <boskone> nope, not a soul
[04:38] <duwee> oh
[04:40] <danielm> !anyone | duwee
[04:40] <ubotu> duwee: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:40] <duwee> a thousand pardons
[04:42] <duwee> in synaptic i saw kde base... where can one find gnome base?
[04:48] <duwee> also... i've seen conflicting advice on installing real player... best practice, anyone?
[04:49] <boskone> perhaps debian-base?
[04:49] <duwee> <<< nubi
[04:49] <boskone> unless you have an explicit reason, why bother?  It's a pretty crappy delivery method
[04:49]  * boskone is not all that much better
[04:52] <duwee> it was my impression that xubuntu comes with xfce and gnome installed
[04:52] <boskone> nope, just xfce
[04:52] <duwee> ah
[04:52] <duwee> noticed gnome components in synaptic
[04:52] <duwee> was wondering
[04:52] <boskone> I don't believe it takes much, if anything, to get gnome apps installed in xfce, though
[04:53] <boskone> well, synaptic lists packages for all 3 releases
[04:53] <boskone> (ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu)
[04:53] <duwee> gotcha
[04:53] <boskone> and xfce is done up by some of the original gnome devs, to do away with the cruft
[04:53] <boskone> and over some design differences, I believe
[04:53] <duwee> so far i'm jazzed about xubuntu
[04:54] <boskone> I use it.  :)
[04:54] <duwee> xine didn't pan out...
[04:54] <duwee> so i got flashplayer
[04:54] <boskone> The only issue I'm having (which I keep forgetting to ask in here about) is that shortcuts for my xfce4-popup-menu never work.  :p
[04:54] <boskone> what're you trying to play?
[04:54] <duwee> <<< listening to pandora radio
[04:54] <boskone> ah
[04:55] <duwee> was hoping to listen to npr
[04:55] <duwee> too
[04:55] <boskone> tried rhythmbox?
[04:55] <boskone> I think it can do webcasts
[04:55] <duwee> saw some docs about it
[04:56] <duwee> do u use it?
[04:56] <boskone> rhythmbox?
[04:56] <boskone> Install it, crank it up.  :)
[04:57] <boskone> It doesn't have global shortcuts, but you can set 'em pretty easily through the keyboard settings
[04:57] <duwee> customizable within the app?
[04:57] <boskone> Nah, from XFCE
[04:57] <boskone> you set whatever shortcut to rhythmbox-client --whatever
[04:57] <boskone> play-pause, next, stop, etc
[04:58] <boskone> My MM keys don't work, but that's 'cause I'm too lazy to set them up.  :D
[04:58] <duwee> on the shortcuts tab?
[04:58] <boskone> so I have prev, play-pause, and next set to win+z, x, and c (respectively)
[04:58] <boskone> yea
[04:58] <duwee> click add?
[04:59] <boskone> yea
[04:59] <boskone> I think you have to add a theme, then you can add actual shortcuts
[04:59] <duwee> ah
[04:59] <boskone> I don't believe you can modify default (through the app, at least)
[04:59] <boskone> Makes sense, when you think about it; always have a good fallback set.  ;)
[04:59] <duwee> <<< downloading rhythmbox
[05:00] <boskone> I'm using it now.  ;)
[05:00] <duwee> comes with gstreamer
[05:00] <boskone> not for webcasts, just files
[05:00] <boskone> but I see options for podcasts and internet radio
[05:00] <duwee> was wondering which gstreamer to get
[05:00] <boskone> unless you have a problem just use defaults
[05:01] <duwee> is it necessary to close open programs like firefox when installing rhythmbox?
[05:02] <boskone> nope
[05:02] <duwee> cool
[05:02] <boskone> only time you should have to close any program is when modifying the program itself or--maybe--installing plugins
[05:03] <duwee> you mean close and reopen after installing?
[05:03] <boskone> yea
[05:03] <duwee> i like xubuntu even more
[05:05] <boskone> that's pretty standard for linux; it's not as big on rebooting and such as windows
[05:05] <boskone> Dunno about OSX; haven't used it much at all
[05:06] <duwee> could you explain about sessions?
[05:06] <duwee> is it like a user profile?
[05:07] <duwee> config stuff?
[05:07] <boskone> sessions...?
[05:07] <boskone> like logging in?
[05:07] <duwee> yeah and that prompt to save at logout
[05:08] <boskone> well, it's just what it says: session
[05:08] <boskone> so when you log in you're starting a session, when you log out you're ending it
[05:08] <duwee> how much is saved?
[05:09] <duwee> does it use more memory?
[05:09] <duwee> i know a little bit about hive cleanup
[05:09] <boskone> not realy
[05:09] <boskone> saves window positions, I think open apps
[05:10] <boskone> so when you log in stuff automatically opens up
[05:10]  * boskone tries to remember last time he logged in
[05:10] <boskone> of course, as I'm prosetylizing linux my sansa is industriously going nuts.  :p
[05:11] <duwee> you mean you can just stay logged in and the shell doesn't deteriorate?
[05:11] <boskone> not particularly
[05:11] <boskone> some programs will leak
[05:11] <boskone> I close Opera for that very reason
[05:11] <duwee> i have opera
[05:11] <boskone> but in general you'd probably have to stay logged in for a horribly long time
[05:11] <duwee> but can't get flash to work
[05:11] <boskone> Yea, mine's acting weird
[05:11] <boskone> same plugin works fine in firefox
[05:12] <boskone> so if I just absolutely have to have flash for something, I open ff
[05:12] <duwee> ff?
[05:12] <boskone> again, just haven't been assed to look at it and get it fixed
[05:12] <boskone> firefox
[05:12] <duwee> ah
[05:12] <boskone> I'll have to run Windows come May, thought, for Age of Conan.  :\
[05:13] <duwee> what is armorapp?
[05:13] <boskone> amarok
[05:14] <boskone> it's a QT-based music player
[05:14] <boskone> it's nice, but too heavy for my taste
[05:14] <duwee> i thought it was a firewall
[05:14] <duwee> lol
[05:14] <boskone> hehe
[05:14] <duwee> related to ip tables or something
[05:15] <boskone> I'm assuming you actually mean "amarokapp"
[05:15] <duwee> armor app
[05:15] <duwee> do you use firestarter?
[05:16] <boskone> I don't actually bother with a firewall on my desktop, as my router's is sufficient
[05:16] <duwee> ah
[05:17] <duwee> how can i monitor my open ports?
[05:17] <boskone> netstat, I believe
[05:18] <boskone> -n switch, something like that
[05:20] <duwee> net tools is already installed
[05:20] <duwee> will that help
[05:20] <duwee> ?
[05:21] <boskone> try the netstat command from a terminal
[05:21] <boskone> netstat -n, that is
[05:21] <duwee> is see netstat-nat in the list
[05:21] <boskone> come again?
[05:22] <duwee> my terminal doesn't work right
[05:22] <boskone> how so
[05:22] <boskone> ?
[05:22] <duwee> logs me out when i launch it
[05:22] <boskone> hrm...try alt+f2, then run xterm
[05:22] <duwee> that's why i installed kde base in the first place
[05:22] <boskone> O.o
[05:23] <duwee> any ideas what's up with my xfce terminal
[05:23] <duwee> ?
[05:24] <boskone> not offhand
[05:24] <boskone> does xterm work correctly?
[05:25] <duwee> should run in terminal be flagged?
[05:26] <boskone> nope
[05:26] <duwee> yeah!
[05:27] <duwee> my ff won't close?
[05:27] <boskone> heh
[05:27] <boskone> does it respond at all?
[05:27] <duwee> nope
[05:27] <boskone> holy crap...2330?  O.o
[05:27] <duwee> LOL
[05:27] <boskone> ah, then it's just locked up.
[05:27] <duwee> but what to do?
[05:27] <duwee> lol
[05:28] <boskone> killall firefox-bin from the terminal
[05:28] <boskone> "killall firefox-bin", perhaps I should be more explicit
[05:28] <duwee> "killall firefox-bin" ?
[05:28] <boskone> yea
[05:28] <duwee> that did it
[05:29] <duwee> you're a genius
[05:29] <duwee> thanx
[05:29] <boskone> I think you can do the same with ctrl+alt+esc, or something; there's a shortcut in the shortcuts app for xkill
[05:29] <boskone> I'm used to killall, so I just use it.  :)
[05:29] <boskone> here's a last bit before I hit the hay, save you some annoyance possibly
[05:29] <boskone> download "screen"
[05:30] <duwee> screen?
[05:30] <boskone> long story short, you can open a screen session in a terminal, do stuff, and detach the session and leave the stuff running
[05:30] <boskone> for instance, I use irssi for irc in a screen session on my fileserver
[05:30] <boskone> so I can ssh in to it from, say, a buddy's house and take up IRC without necessarily missing anything
[05:31] <boskone> or in the Bad Old Days when I used Gentoo, I could leave stuff building without having to stay logged in
[05:31] <duwee> thanks for the chat
[05:31] <boskone> anyway, good luck with xubuntu; it's past my curfew.  ;)
[05:32] <duwee> pleasent dreams
[06:34] <VikDAkinG> Hi, I have a question
[06:35] <VikDAkinG> When i tried installing Xubuntu on my system I always get an error saying something like BIOS bug APIO not connected or something
[07:03] <S0210> Hi! I'm using beta Hardy with Hungarian language packages. That works fine mostly. But at switching off the goodby screen offers me these option: "Switch user", "Log out", "Újraindítás" ...  Please quite Xfce via another means
[12:55] <ere4si> jnet: try a reboot with the command - sudo shutdown -r now - and at the login click on session and make sure you select xfce
[12:56] <ere4si> The_Druid-: I would boot in the live cd and reinstall grub to hd0
[12:57] <The_Druid-> how do i do that?
[12:57] <jnet> '- sudo....now -' with the hyphens
[12:57] <jnet> oh right
[13:00] <ere4si> The_Druid-: in the live cd open a terminal - type sudo grub - then - find /boot/grub/stage1 - it will give an answer (hd,3) or similar - type root (hd0,3) substituting the answer - then type  - setup (hd0)
[13:00] <ere4si> then type quit and reboot
[13:01] <ere4si> if you're on another comp I'll walk you through it
[13:01] <The_Druid-> ere4si: thx, i'll try to do it here, and if it doesn't work, i'll get back to windows
[13:01] <ere4si> k
[13:02] <jnet> eyyyyy
[13:02] <jnet> thanks matey
[13:02] <jnet> **loveeee
[13:02] <ere4si> :)
[14:10] <Gar1> Hi! how do i edit grub (boot manager)? where do i find it?
[14:10] <TheSheep> !grub
[14:10] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:10] <TheSheep> !boot
[14:10] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[14:11] <Gar1> mo gui?
[14:11] <Gar1> no gui?
[14:11] <TheSheep> no, I'm afraid not
[14:11] <Gar1> thanks
[14:12] <TheSheep> messing with grub is a pretty low-level thing
[14:12] <Gar1> something new for me to learn
[14:12] <TheSheep> great
[14:13] <Gar1> just loving xubuntu....even all the mistakes i make lol
[14:13] <TheSheep> glad to hear that
[14:35] <Gar1> wish me luck...time to reboot...thanks for your help
[14:37] <Iskr> now that i fixed that thing
[14:37] <Iskr> my gnubackgammon board looks too small
[14:37] <Iskr> -.-
[15:09] <birgi> good morning everybody, today I booted my computer and xfce is behaving strangely. To start with the applications don't have any borders... How can I fix this?
[15:11] <boolka> hi - is the 8.04 fairly safe to use ?
[15:11] <cody-somerville> It is not recommended for production machines
[15:12] <cody-somerville> there are still the odd update which seems to break things
[15:12] <boolka> i just need it for a laptop
[15:12] <cody-somerville> The official release is the 24th
[15:12] <boolka> yes i know .. but im eager
[15:12] <cody-somerville> If you're willing to accept that it *might* break, then yes, 8.04 is pretty safe to use
[15:13] <boolka> and on 24th will i have an option to automatically upgrade to the new release?
[15:13] <cody-somerville> Yes
[15:13] <boolka> hmm
[15:14] <boolka> is there a big difference between 7.10 and 8.04?
[15:18] <boolka> is there a torrent for 8.04?
[15:35] <BobSapp> hey there anyone know the score on the distribution upgrade?
[15:59] <birgi> hey again, how can i get the history of packages that i had installed?
[16:07] <Iskr> birgi, synaptic?
[16:08] <birgi> Iskr: oh I did not know that synaptic was showing the history, thanks :)
[16:11] <Dartrunner> Stroganoff, Evening, I noticed that the memory use keeps slowly increasing, is this normal, and I still haven't any sound :(
[16:12] <Stroganoff> to what extent? it shouldnt increase while doing nothing.
[16:16] <Dartrunner> I rebooted yesterday and had 22MiB/186MiB, it has sat idle till now (aprox 16 hrs) and is at 73.6MiB/186MiB
[16:16] <Stroganoff> wow
[16:17] <Stroganoff> run this command: ps axl > usage.txt
[16:17] <Stroganoff> !pastebin usage.txt
[16:20] <Dartrunner> well, it seems to be locked-up
[16:21] <Dartrunner> mouse won't move
[16:21] <Stroganoff> ctrl+alt+f8
[16:22] <Dartrunner> I got a blank screen with a blinking cursor but can't type anything
[16:23] <Stroganoff> ctrl+alt+f7
[16:23] <Stroganoff> ctrl+alt+backspace
[16:25] <Dartrunner> looks like it made it partway through a boot and has stopped
[16:26] <Dartrunner> last thing on the screen is Starting X display manager: slim
[16:28] <Stroganoff> join #minimalubuntu
[17:37] <gNewPower> anyone here today?
[17:40] <boskone> nope, everyone's nursing hangovers
[17:40] <Stroganoff> ;)
[17:41] <boskone> do you have a question?
[17:41] <gNewPower> Hi, I was wondering: I originally installed Ubuntu.  Then I fell in love with Xubuntu on a live-CD version.  So I used Synaptic to install everything XFCE. Xubuntu and the apps like Abiword, etc.  Does that give a full Xubuntu equivalent now?
[17:41] <boskone> if you used xubuntu-desktop, yes.
[17:42] <boskone> if you installed piecemeal, probably not quite
[17:42] <boskone> :)
[17:42] <gNewPower> also - are the new versions of Xubuntu released at the same time as Ubuntu & Kubuntu
[17:42] <gNewPower> boskone: why not?
[17:43] <gNewPower> it would be silly to multibooot between Ubuntu and Xubuntu when all I need is choose sessions, no?
[17:43] <boskone> gNewPower: there are a lot of packages involved in any of the GUI choices; I'd be surprised if you managed to get them all.
[17:43] <boskone> yea
[17:43] <boskone> but you can install both ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop, no problems
[17:43] <gNewPower> boskone: the GUI I configured myself, and as far as I can tell I now have all the Xubuntu aps.
[17:44] <boskone> gNewPower: then you probably don't actually _care_ if you have the whole xubuntu experience, yes?  ;)
[17:44] <boskone> If it'd ain
[17:44] <boskone> 't broke, and all that
[17:44] <gNewPower> boskone: yes, I fell in love with Xubuntu, badly :-)
[17:44] <gNewPower> the only think I dislike about Xubuntu is the menu editor, which I do not even understand to tell you the truth...
[17:44] <boskone> Honestly, just run apt-get install xubuntu-desktop (or install from synaptic), and see if it installs anything.  :)
[17:45] <Stroganoff> the menu editor is unusable
[17:45] <boskone> yea, the menu editor is a bit odd
[17:45] <boskone> I dunno that I'd go quite that far
[17:45] <gNewPower> so how do you guys edit your menus?
[17:45] <Stroganoff> it breaks the menu file, boskone
[17:45] <boskone> I actually just don't use it, to be honest
[17:45] <Stroganoff> try moving the "programs dir" hook
[17:45] <Stroganoff> me neither. i use icewm ;)
[17:45] <boskone> hehe
[17:46] <boskone> I just got in the habit of using the run dialogue and program
[17:46] <gNewPower> lemme guess: you use the GNOME Alarcate menu editor, right?
[17:47] <gNewPower>  are the new versions of Xubuntu released at the same time as Ubuntu & Kubuntu?
[17:47] <boskone> yup
[17:47] <gNewPower> same repos and all
[17:48] <boskone> yea
[17:48] <boskone> My current xubuntu install started life as a 7.04 server cd, because the download was taking forever.  :)
[17:48] <gNewPower> boskone: so if I have both Ubuntu and Xubuntu installed the updates will automatically updates both distros?
[17:48] <boskone> yea
[17:48] <gNewPower> sweeeeeeet!!
[17:48] <boskone> there's no real core difference between the two
[17:49] <boskone> same repos, mostly the same devs
[17:49] <boskone> er, maintainers
[17:49] <gNewPower> except that I find Xubuntu far more elegant, faster, and better designed than Ubuntu and, even more so, Kubuntu.  I just love Xubuntu!
[17:49] <Stroganoff> i love the flowers
[17:49] <gNewPower> Xubuntu has the ideal balance between elegance and speed, I think.
[17:50] <boskone> well, xfce isn't an ubuntu project.  ;)
[17:50] <gNewPower> Stroganoff: what flowers?
[17:50] <Stroganoff> daffodills?
[17:50] <boskone> the band, I'm assuming
[17:50] <gNewPower> boskone: XFCE is BSD, right?
[17:50] <Stroganoff> what band? :D
[17:50] <Stroganoff> xfce is not bsd.
[17:50] <boskone> gNewPower: no, just a UI
[17:51] <boskone> iirc, it was started by some of the original gnome devs
[17:51] <boskone> over design issues or something
[17:51] <gNewPower> really, I thought XFCE had its roots in* BSD... oh well, my ignorance has no limits :-)
[17:53] <gNewPower> bye, guys, see you soon!
[17:53] <boskone> having dispensed my daily dose of probably misinformation...:)
[18:08] <scriptdevil> xubuntu seems to crash for no reason when it is idle for quite sometime
[18:08] <scriptdevil> :(
[18:08] <scriptdevil> then it restarts
[18:09] <boskone> weird
[18:09] <scriptdevil> boskone: very
[18:09] <boskone> checked dmesg and syslog?
[18:09] <scriptdevil> not yet
[18:10] <scriptdevil> just recovered from a crash
[18:10] <scriptdevil> boskone: anyway.. Am running the Beta
[18:10] <boskone> ah
[18:10] <boskone> well, one can't expect perfect stability from prereleases.  ;)
[18:11] <scriptdevil> boskone: If only I knew the reason, I could atleast file a bug report
[18:11] <boskone> best bet is to check the dmesg, syslog, and xorg.log
[18:12] <scriptdevil> boskone: I am reading syslog at the moment
[18:16] <scriptdevil> boskone: i will do it the next time, if a next time occurs!
[18:56] <wiirad> i tried to install the beta and i couildn't install GRUB. I check if i had a valid cd and i made a new one. Should i download again?
[19:00] <zoobox> if the check says that the cd you burned was wrong, then perhaps the fault happened during download yes....
[19:01] <wiirad> thanks
[19:01] <zoobox> wiirad: even though md5-checksums discover most errors you can't be sure that it does find all.... I guess safest is to download again yes.... possible compare the two download....
[19:03] <zoobox> hmm is it 11 days until xbuntu 8.04 releases too? (release the same day as normal ubuntu?)
[19:04] <TheSheep> zoobox: more or less
[19:04] <TheSheep> zoobox: there is usually a small delay
[19:04] <TheSheep> zoobox: severa hours or so
[19:04] <TheSheep> several
[19:12] <zoobox> aha hehe.
[19:13] <zoobox> as long as it isn't like fluxbuntu that haven't released the final version of 7.10 yet.... :-)
[20:59] <S0210> Hi! I'm using Hardy beta with Hungarian language packs. At shutdown I have mixed labels for the buttons like "Switch user", "Újraindítás" "Log out". What package might be missing? Where are they defined?
[20:59] <boskone> rough guess, but the buttons may not be fully translated yet
[21:00] <boskone> it is prerelease, after all.  ;)
[21:01] <S0210> I can hardly imagine. But if it is so how can I check it in https://translations.launchpad.net/ ?
[21:02] <S0210> I go to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+lang/hu and I check what?
[21:03] <boskone> not sure; gnome-session-2.0, maybe?
[21:09] <S0210> You might be right. But very strange...I found "Újraindítás" (Restart) in this as well as "Switch User" (Felhasználóváltás). I just don't get why I can't see all of them at shutdown.
[21:11] <boskone> Sorry, I'm a native English speaker so I've never had to mess with localisation.  ;)
[21:15] <S0210> Thanks anyway!
[21:51] <gNewPower> is there such things as a Xubuntu DVD and, if yes, where can I download it?
[21:52] <TheSheep> gNewPower: I think that the ubuntu dvd will contain all the packages from ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu, etc.
[21:53] <gNewPower> ok. great!  I am downloading the other one right now. thanks!
[22:54] <monishka> hello, this is the first time i am in need of using irc channel so sorry if i do something that is aginst some rules - i need help with xubuntu running on asus eee pc. i have just installed it, everything works perfect, except one thing - i followed this guide - http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:customization (part - Shutdown when battery is low) and removed gnome power manager. I want to use xfce manager. But I am not able to add icon
[22:54] <monishka> on panel. It is not there. I am a newbie to GNU/Linux. Have been using it about a month. If someone could give me direction how to fix this, I would be glad.
[22:57] <TheSheep> I didn't know xfce has a gnome power manager
[22:57] <TheSheep> there is a battery plugin for showing the battery state
[22:58] <monishka> i was surprise for me too but yes
[22:58] <TheSheep> monishka: I mean, I wdidn't know that xfce has its own power manager, sorry
[23:00] <monishka> do you have any idea what can be wrong? why do i not see it on my panel?
[23:01] <monishka> there is xfce4-bettery-plugin
[23:02] <TheSheep> monishka: what are you doing exactly?
[23:03] <monishka> i did exactly as it is written here http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:customization in "Shutdown when battery is low" part
[23:03]  * TheSheep reads
[23:04] <TheSheep> monishka: and which part doesn't work?
[23:07] <monishka> i dont know, i am pretty much a newbie to linux, ... well, i removed gnome power manager and did the editing part, then I tried to add the plugin to panel, and I does not show up. I dont see any battery state monitor.
[23:07] <monishka> since eee pc is a notebook, i would appriciate such monitor :-)
[23:11] <boolka> I installed 8.04 on my laptop which is connected to tv through Svideo cable. When I press power button on laptop and function + svideo out, i see the pic on tv. When it all loads up to the screen where im asked to enter user and pass, it turns of and i see image only on laptop, and cant get it to show anything on tv after that. How can this be fixed?
[23:16] <TheSheep> monishka: sorry, was afk, you do right click on the panel, select 'add item', then the battery plugin?
[23:17] <TheSheep> boolka: can you pastebin the result of running 'xrandr' in terminal?
[23:19] <boolka> TheSheep give me a sec
[23:27] <TheSheep> boolka: you can try the command 'xrandr --output TV --auto'
[23:32] <monishka> i am sorry to bother, sometimes, i just dont understand.... i tried to add this plugin to two panels and it did not work, now i tried ... just to see "what if" ... and created third panel, added it, and it shows up. maybe there is something wrong with my panel, but i cannot see what. it must be hidden somewhere but i cannot find it, i am sorry to bother and thank you for your time
[23:33] <boolka2> http://pastebin.com/m7693b07a
[23:33] <monishka> damn, sorry, my chat did not scroll down i did not see what you wrote
[23:33] <boolka> TheSheep: http://pastebin.com/m7693b07a
[23:34] <TheSheep> boolka: so it claims your s-video is disconnected...
[23:34] <TheSheep> boolka: try this: xrandr --output S-video --auto
[23:35] <TheSheep> monishka: I think there is some bug with adding some panel plugins, not sure
[23:36] <boolka2> TheSheep: currently it is.. I bought a vga to rca/svideo cable, but it dont work either :(
[23:36] <boolka2> TheSheep:  do I try that command once im connected to the tv?
[23:36] <TheSheep> boolka2: yes
[23:36] <TheSheep> boolka2: play with it, see 'xrandr --help' for help summary
[23:37] <boolka2> also another problem
[23:37] <TheSheep> boolka2: and 'man xrandr' for more detailed description
[23:38] <boolka2> xubuntu is only using like 2/3 of my screen space
[23:38] <TheSheep> boolka2: that's because it thinks you have LVDS screen connected
[23:38] <TheSheep> boolka2: that is smaller than your screen
[23:38] <TheSheep> boolka2: and it's trying to fit it on that
[23:39] <boolka2> how do i fix that?
[23:39] <TheSheep> boolka2: xrandr --output LVDS --off
[23:39] <TheSheep> boolka2: you can also disable it in your xorg.conf
[23:39] <monishka> well it seems there is a bug, never mind, now i know that it is installed and working, so i will try to find some solution, thank you, good night (0:39 in my town)
[23:41] <boolka2> TheSheep:  i did tha xrandr --outpu lvds --off
[23:41] <boolka2> but nothing changed
[23:42] <TheSheep> boolka2: :/
[23:42] <TheSheep> boolka2: is the output of xrandr alone different now?
[23:42] <boolka2> what do you mean
[23:42] <TheSheep> maybe you need to use LVDS instead of lvds
[23:42] <TheSheep> uppercase
[23:43] <boolka2> oooh
[23:44] <boolka2> it worked i thin
[23:44] <boolka2> omg it did
[23:44] <boolka2> ty!!!
[23:45] <boolka2> now if we can only get the svideo output to work  or at least the vga to rca cable
[23:45] <TheSheep> boolka2: well, the things that the 'xvrt' command lists are various displays of your computer
[23:45] <TheSheep> boolka2: and their state
[23:46] <TheSheep> boolka2: you can also change them using various options
[23:46] <TheSheep> boolka2: so I guess you need to experiment with this
[23:46] <boolka2> sounds messy
[23:46] <TheSheep> boolka2: google might helps too
[23:47] <boolka2> its all a bit more tought cuase my backlight on the lcd screen of monitor dont work :(
[23:48] <TheSheep> http://www.joshgerdes.com/2007/10/29/s-video-tv-out-with-ubuntu-710-on-dell-xps-m140-laptop/
[23:48] <TheSheep> this one looks good
[23:49] <boolka2> let me see
[23:55] <boolka2> hmm  looks promising
[23:55] <boolka2> one more thing, how do i install flash plugins for firefox?


[00:12] <jelmer> rockstar: Hi! If you're still reviewing, any chance you can have a look at this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/upgrade-sourcecode/+merge/23034
[00:20] <sinzui> rockstar, thumper: can either of you review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/series-branch-target/+merge/23056
[00:23] <wgrant> Can someone please land https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/move-rescueiflost-tests/+merge/22737?
[00:29] <mwhudson> man it's all ask ask ask in here today
[00:29] <mwhudson> jelmer: did you consider just deleting and re-pulling in the cross-format case?
[00:29] <mwhudson> it's simpler and probably quicker
[00:30] <mwhudson> wgrant: is this one of the ones that passed ec2 yesterday but got foiled by testfix?
[00:31] <wgrant> mwhudson: No, noodles landed all of them overnight.
[00:31] <wgrant> This one needs EC2ing too.
[00:31] <mwhudson> wgrant: OK
[00:32] <jelmer> mwhudson: that's a good point; do you reckon that's a better idea than upgrading? I guess it's a bandwidth vs cpu tradeoff
[00:34] <mwhudson> jelmer: my thinking is that they're all small branches so that simplicity is better
[00:34] <jelmer> mwhudson: I wonder if removing the branch is simpler in this case though; it'll involve checking that the tree is unchanged, etc
[00:35] <mwhudson> jelmer: hm, fair point
[00:38] <mwhudson> jelmer: you seem to have lost the 'don't pull if the revision id is the same' thing
[00:38] <mwhudson> but i guess that's not much of an optimization really
[00:39] <jelmer> mwhudson: Bazaar really should be taking care of that case itself
[00:39] <jelmer> at least imnsho :-)
[00:40] <mwhudson> quite
[00:42] <mwhudson> jelmer: approved
[00:43] <jelmer> mwhudson: thanks!
[00:55] <mwhudson> wgrant: your branch has conflicts with devel it seems
[00:55] <wgrant> mwhudson: Bah.
[00:55]  * wgrant merges.
[01:12]  * jpds has https://code.launchpad.net/~jpds/launchpad/stormify-distribution-bits/+merge/23060 up for grabs.
[01:13] <mwhudson> wgrant: pushed yet?  should i run ec2 land again?
[01:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: Just fighting buildout so I can rerun the involved tests.
[01:15] <mwhudson> heh heh
[01:17]  * wgrant stabs $SOMETHING in the face.
[01:17] <wgrant> lazr.config.interfaces.NoConfigError: No config with name: initZopeless config overlay.
[01:17] <wgrant> YES BUT WHY?
[01:17] <jpds>  /11
[01:20] <wgrant> So it turns out that the error actually meant that I needed to fix permissions on the account table.
[01:20] <wgrant> That makes sense.
[01:38] <wgrant> mwhudson: Pushed.
[02:23] <wgrant> mwhudson: Did you kick that ec2 off yet?
[02:23] <mwhudson> wgrant: yeah, sorry
[02:23] <mwhudson> wgrant: it's headless now
[02:23] <wgrant> Thanks.
[02:23] <wgrant> Great.
[09:00] <adeuring> On call: adeuring || reviewing: - || queue: [sinzui] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[09:04] <mwhudson> adeuring: you missed a /topic there
[09:05] <adeuring> mwhudson: arghh... thanks!
[10:41] <gmb> adeuring, Morning. Can you give me a code review on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/add-next_check-to-bugwatch-pages-bug-558410/+merge/23080?
[10:41] <adeuring> gmb: sure
[10:41] <gmb> noodles775, Any chance of a quick UI review of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/add-next_check-to-bugwatch-pages-bug-558410/+merge/23080? I can provide screenshots if needed; it's a trivial change.
[10:45] <noodles775> gmb: I can take a look, but if it's non-urgent, it'd be great to get one of the others (rockstar, for eg), to do an initial review and I'll do the second one?
[10:45] <noodles775> Although, if it's that trivial, might not be worth it.
[10:45] <gmb> noodles775, Well, it's just a case of adding data to the BugWatch +edit and BugTracker overview pages (lastchecked and next_check dates for bug watches, basically)
[10:46] <gmb> So, your call.
[10:46] <noodles775> OK, I'll just do it then.
[10:46] <gmb> Thanks.
[10:57] <adeuring> gmb: r=me
[10:57] <gmb> noodles775, FTR, I have no idea why I've called next_check "Scheduled" on BugWatch+edit but called it "Next check" on the BugTracker overview. I think we should probably stick to one label, agreed?
[10:57] <gmb> adeuring, Thanks
[11:32] <deryck> Hi adeuring.  I have one for the queue, when you can look at it.  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/not-notified-someone-else-subscribed-494257/+merge/23044
[11:32] <adeuring> deryck: surw, I'll look
[11:32] <deryck> adeuring, thanks!
[11:49] <adeuring> deryck: overall, you branch looks good. I just wondered if it makes sense to explicitly test that bug.subscribe(..., send_notifications=False) does indeed not send notifications.
[11:50] <deryck> adeuring, ah, good point.
[11:50] <adeuring> deryck: OK, so r=me
[11:50] <deryck> adeuring, thanks!  I'll add the test here in a moment.
[11:56] <gmb> noodles775, Thanks for the review.
[11:57] <noodles775> np.
[12:50] <maxb> Hello OCR, I'd like to enqueue https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad/ignored-asserts/+merge/18889 please, which is up for re-review after a tweak to the tests.
[12:54] <adeuring> maxb: sure, I'll look.
[12:54] <adeuring> maxb: Or do you want gmb to cióntinue the review=
[12:54] <adeuring> s/=/?/
[12:55] <maxb> In this case, I don't think there's enough context for it to be worth me seeking out gmb - I'd rather get it reviewed today :-)
[12:56] <adeuring> fair eonough
[12:58] <maxb> Ah, I see gmb was around earlier - I only looked at the fact that he is currently marked away. Never mind, there really isn't much prior context to this branch.
[13:15] <adeuring> maxb: r=me. As Graham said, good catch!
[13:15] <maxb> adeuring: Thanks, could you land it for me?
[13:15] <adeuring> maxb: sure
[13:16] <maxb> excellent. one more baby step towards python 2.6
[13:16] <maxb> oh, I'm supposed to set a commit message in the MP, aren't I
[13:17] <maxb> done
[14:11] <gary_poster> adeuring: could you look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/small/+merge/23052 ?  This was a quick fix for a problem abentley found on karmic
[14:11] <adeuring> gary_poster: sure
[14:11] <gary_poster> thank you
[14:11] <abentley> gary_poster, adeuring: fix verified on my system.
[14:12] <gary_poster> thanks abentley
[14:15] <adeuring> gary_poster: r=me
[14:15] <gary_poster> thank you adeuring!
[15:46] <jpds> adeuring: Hi, did you ec2 land my branch?
[15:46] <adeuring> jpds: sorry, forgot it... Will do that now.
[15:52] <jml> adeuring: could you please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/more-services/+merge/23107 – it's a branch with a few simple cleanups?
[15:53] <adeuring> jml: sure
[15:53] <jml> thanks.
[15:56] <jpds> adeuring: No problem, thanks!
[16:06] <allenap> adeuring: Could you rubber-stamp a proposal for me please? It's a cherry-pick of an already-reviewed change. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/dynamic-batch-size-bug-546085-devel/+merge/23105
[16:09] <adeuring> allenap: done
[16:10] <allenap> adeuring: Thanks :)
[16:14] <allenap> adeuring: Could you try changing the review type to "code", or add an approve for "code" (or nothing)? bzr lp-land complains at the moment. (And if that doesn't work I'll land it by hand.)
[16:22] <adeuring> allenap: done. (sorry for the delay -- was on skype)
[16:22] <allenap> adeuring: Thanks :)
[16:32] <adeuring> jml: r=me
[16:34] <jml> adeuring, thanks.
[16:34] <allenap> adeuring: Do you have time for another? Should be straightforward I hope. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/dont-update-dupe-bugs-bug-511276/+merge/23113
[16:35] <adeuring> allenap: yes
[16:46] <adeuring> allenap: r=me
[16:46] <allenap> adeuring: Thanks!
[16:50] <allenap> adeuring: I've got a silly one for you now :) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/dynamic-batch-size-bug-546085-db-devel-preempt-conflict/+merge/23114
[16:51] <adeuring> allenap: rs=me
[16:51] <allenap> adeuring: Thanks :)
[19:45] <deryck> abel is gone.  Is anyone else reviewing this afternoon?
[19:48] <deryck> rockstar or abentley -- could I ask a review from one of you fine gentleman?  It's to do with linking branches on a bug page.
[19:52] <abentley> deryck, sure.
[19:52] <deryck> abentley, thanks!  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/no-linky-abandoned-branches-559325/+merge/23135
[19:55] <abentley> deryck, was there a preimplementation call?
[19:56] <deryck> abentley, no.  I just did it on a whim at lunch.
[19:56] <maxb> deryck: I question the appropriateness of this change because it hides potential partial work done on a bug that someone else could rescue and complete
[19:56] <abentley> deryck, I'm not sure this is the right solution.
[19:56] <deryck> abentley, ah, ok.  fair enough.  I did discuss the proposed solution with jml in the bug.  And he agreed with the approach.
[19:58] <abentley> deryck, yes, I saw that.  Still, he's not on the code team anymore.
[19:58] <abentley> deryck, my reasons are much like maxb's.
[19:59] <deryck> abentley, I didn't see maxb's comment?  Where is that?
[19:59] <abentley> deryck, and I'm not sure that abandoning a branch is a clear indication that you want to never get any questions about it.
[19:59] <abentley> deryck, in channel, 4 minutes ago.
[20:00] <deryck> ah, sorry. thought that was you :-)
[20:00] <deryck> the red bled together in xchat :-)
[20:01] <abentley> perhaps appropriate in this case.
[20:02] <deryck> abentley, so your argument would be if you don't want the connection then unlink the branch?
[20:03] <abentley> deryck, that seems suboptimal too.
[20:03] <abentley> deryck, is it true that you never want to receive any questions about the branch, or do you just not want to be asked whether you're working on it?
[20:04] <maxb> Would it not be sufficient to display the branch's "Abandoned" status alongside its name in the bug "Related branches" list?
[20:04] <deryck> abentley, I would guess more the latter.  But I think it's hard to presume what anyone means by "abandoned" really.
[20:04] <deryck> maxb, it's already listed.
[20:05] <deryck> maxb, sorry, I'm wrong
[20:05] <deryck> was thinking of rejected.
[20:05] <maxb> MP status is shown, branch status is nort
[20:05] <maxb> *not
[20:05] <deryck> right
[20:05] <deryck> yeah, maybe that's the right fix.
[20:06] <abentley> deryck, so I think branch status should be shown, and we should maybe reduce the visibility of the merge proposal.
[20:06] <abentley> deryck, but I'd be interested to hear what rockstar thinks.
[20:07] <maxb> I like the idea of reducing the visibility of the MP
[20:07] <deryck> abentley, I can go along with your suggestion.  but would be interested in rockstar's opinion, too.  I can go either way.  It makes sense to me to drop it completely, too.
[20:08] <deryck> but I'm thinking as a bugs guy obviously :-)
[20:08] <maxb> Drop what? the MP or the entire branch?
[20:08] <deryck> entire branch per my fix now
[20:09] <maxb> Just because someone has abandoned a branch does not mean that it does not contain useful work
[20:09] <abentley> deryck, if I'm not mistaken, the reason the branch status isn't shown is because the MP *is* shown.
[20:10] <deryck> maxb, I don't disagree with you.  I'm saying I can see both sides.  Abandoned branches could also be useless, as well as they could be useful.
[20:11] <maxb> Better to err on the side of not losing visibility on potential useful code, IMO
[20:11] <deryck> abentley, ok.  I don't think branch status is really useful unless it's abandoned.  So if we go this route, maybe we should treated abandoned branches differently, i.e. show branch status and a link to MP but no info on the MP?
[20:12] <deryck> maxb, true.  but my assumption is someone marked it "abandoned" precisely because it wasn't useful.
[20:13] <abentley> deryck, we use the "merged" status very heavily.  Others not so much.
[20:13] <maxb> "I have stopped work on this branch" doesn't mean the same as "There's no useful work in this branch"
[20:14] <abentley> deryck, that's not what I would assume.  I would assume they didn't have time for it, or maybe the reviewer was being a jerk and obstructing it.
[20:14] <deryck> maxb, but does ABANDONED always equal "I have stopped work on this branch?"  If so, how do you know that?  :-)  That's all I mean.  I'm not intending to argue with you, really. :-)
[20:14] <abentley> deryck, yes, that's what it means.
[20:15] <maxb> Well, that's what the English word means to me :-)
[20:17] <deryck> fair enough.  I take your points.  But I don't have a desire to pursue it beyond this.  it was a lunch time fix for me.  I like removing some clutter from the bug page, but if we don't agree is right, I won't pursue it further myself.
[20:17] <deryck> Thanks anyway, abentley, for the review.
[20:18] <abentley> deryck, very well.  Sorry it didn't work out.
[20:18] <deryck> no worries
[21:01]  * rockstar sees that he was apparently pinged in this channel while at lunch
[21:05] <abentley> rockstar, don't worry about it.
[21:06] <rockstar> abentley, yeah, it looks like there was consensus.
[21:06] <abentley> rockstar, well, more like resolution.
[21:10] <rockstar> abentley, I'd be all for hiding abandoned branches on a bug that have a branch that actually fixed the bug (and was landed)
[21:10] <rockstar> In that case, I'd only show the one that fixed the issue.
[21:15] <abentley> rockstar, chat?
[21:16] <rockstar> abentley, oh, it's getting to be that time huh?
[21:16] <rockstar> abentley, can you give me 5 minutes to get my tests passing?
[21:16] <abentley> rockstar, sure.