[21:38] <k1l> "broke apt somehow"? can you show the errors on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[21:38] <Guest14933> I shall
[21:39] <OerHeks> what happens when you fix dependencies with sudo apt-get -f install ??
[21:39] <Guest14933> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16850813/
[21:39] <OerHeks> linux gives helpfull errormessages
[21:39] <Guest14933> Indeed it does! Windows is so useless in that regard
[21:39] <k1l> 420 not fully installed or removed.
[21:40] <Guest14933> blaze it
[21:40] <k1l> looks like a PPA or other 3rd party repo is messing it.
[21:41] <Guest14933> Yeah looks like it happened when I installed zuluCrypt. I did somehow get that one to work but ruined my system in the process clearly
[21:41] <k1l> actually, your PPA packages are in a real bad state, not properly packaged: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libzuluCryptPluginManager.so.1.0.0', which is also in package libzulucryptpluginmanager1.0.0:amd64 4.7.7-3
[21:42] <Guest14933> What can I say? Installing things that aren't immediately in apt-get confuses me
[21:42] <k1l> Guest14933: "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libzulucrypt1_5.0.1-1-ppa5~xenial_amd64.deb"
[21:43] <prelude2004c> Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0".  >> can anyone help ?
[21:43] <Guest14933> Sweet! I tried the -f install and it is getting more done than it used to!
[21:43] <Guest14933> Thank you k1l
[21:43] <Guest14933> k1l++
[21:45] <Guest14933> What's a good irc client? My favorite IRC keeps banning me for constantly disconnecting when I connect via web client and I don't want to annoy them. Now that I can install things after all
[21:45] <nauticalnexus> brainwash: I dunno, lemme boot Ubuntu, build a kernel, and build the kernel with support for hawaii gpus
[21:46] <k1l> Guest14933: hexchat
[21:46] <nauticalnexus> ^
[21:50] <user2635> can someone remind me an easy command to check partition space?
[21:51] <OerHeks> df -h
[21:51] <user2635> OerHeks, thanks, works great
[21:51] <user2635> I'm getting a lot of tmpfs
[21:52] <user2635> I'm guessing its because i'm copying files
[21:53] <nauticalnexus> wireless adapter died brainwash. gonna build the kernel in a bit, will report after booting into Ubuntu with the kernel
[21:55] <n0t_> Guest14933: irssi with screen or tmux (prefer tmux), with screen and tmux you can detach your session and rejoin to it later, leaving it running eternally so you don't miss any irc
[22:01] <fartface> I've got a bit of a strange issue that I'm not sure how to debug.  So, I want all *.local domains on an Ubuntu server to forward to <IP_ADDRESS>, and I read to install dnsmasq, and set up a rule there
[22:02] <fartface> I install dnsmasq, setup the rule (address=/.local/<IP_ADDRESS>), and then restarted dnsmasq service
[22:03] <fartface> On server 1, it worked fine, but on server 2, it didn't work.  The file name/location is the same (/etc/dnsmasq.d/local-sites), the process was the same
[22:04] <SmileMZ> hi people.
[22:04] <prelude2004c> hey can anyone help me ?
[22:04] <prelude2004c> Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0".
[22:05] <SmileMZ> I am looking a way to create a multi partition boot-usb stick with grub2, partition 1 (xubuntu installation), partition 2 - system rescuecd. Any ideas ?
[22:05] <edisto> i'm getting the following error. dpkg: error processing archive /var/opt/amdgpu-pro/./amdgpu-pro-clinfo_16.20.3-294842_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[22:05] <edisto>  trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/clinfo', which is also in package clinfo <IP_ADDRESS>.12-1
[22:05] <edisto> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[22:05] <edisto> how do i resolve this if I'm already using apt-get install -f install
[22:07] <OerHeks> edisto, looks like you try the vulcan driver from the amd website?
[22:08] <edisto> yes
[22:08] <OerHeks> there is an experiment on launchpad, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/vulkan .. not sure you get the amd driver working
[22:11] <craptalk> I want to shutdown my computer at certain time, can i do it on terminal?
[22:11] <craptalk> please help
[22:12] <sipior> craptalk: absolutely: have a look at "man shutdown"
[22:12] <sipior> craptalk: shutdown is hiding in /sbin, in case that's not in your $PATH
[22:14] <craptalk> i got it
[22:15] <craptalk> need to install package 'at'
[22:16] <Ben64> no...
[22:16] <FoolishDave> So when using the integrated graphics card, my laptop with xubuntu locks up when logging into steam or installing some things. When I switch to my 970m using nvidia prime it all works, but I don't want to be wasting so much power all of the time. What do?
[22:16] <Ben64> craptalk: look at 'man shutdown' like sipior suggested
[22:17] <craptalk> Ben64: i did look at it
[22:17] <Ben64> then you should see that you can specify time with the shutdown command
[22:17] <sipior> Ben64: eh, learning "at" isn't the worst thing he could be doing :-) it's quite handy.
[22:17] <craptalk> i got this command: $:shutdown -h 00:00
[22:18] <Ben64> true, but it's kind of silly to use it for a command that has a time function itself
[22:18] <sipior> i don't disagree
[22:18] <nchambers> sleep $x && shutdown
[22:18] <nchambers> :D
[22:18] <nchambers> I'll see myself out
[22:18] <craptalk> Ben64: yeah i know, i think i will use 'at' to set some alarm at certain time
[22:19] <craptalk> another question is, what does 'xdg-open' mean?
[22:19] <Ben64> "man xdg-open" :D
[22:20] <craptalk> Ben64: lol, i think you are good man
[22:22] <vernon> Hello!
[22:22] <vernon> I have some questions, I am thinking about switching from Windows 10. Can anyone help me make the transistion?
[22:23] <Ben64> vernon: depends what you need
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> vernon, What transition are you referring to, bro?
[22:23] <vernon> From Windows 10 to Ubuntu Linux.
[22:23] <Ben64> that's extremely general, not sure what you need
[22:23] <vernon> So, its a lot.  Not sure what your user level, but if you want to "date" ubuntu before marrying her, try virtualbox or the live cd
[22:25] <YankDownUnder> vernon, https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-GTX-980-Ti-Linux-Preview
[22:25] <craptalk> vernon: ubuntu may have some problem will NVIDIA, since Linus Torvalds says the f-word to that company himself, but in my case i need to just install NVIDIA driver myself after installing it, and it works just fine
[22:25] <craptalk> with NVIDIA*
[22:27] <vernon> Gotcha. So there is some kind of support, even if it is a little broken. That's fine. Now, I have a G-Sync monitor (1440P). Will my Adaptive Framerate tech still work for games, like World of Warcraft, Fallout 4, ect?
[22:27] <Ben64> you might want to check if the games you want even work
[22:27] <YankDownUnder> vernon, In most instances nVidia is a wonderful graphics card...if you install it, and LEAVE IT ALONE, it will be right as rain...
[22:28] <craptalk> true, google it first i guess
[22:28] <YankDownUnder> vernon, The link I pasted is specific about the card - and games under linux.
[22:28] <vernon> From what I hear, WoW works well with Crossover and WINE, so I think I should be in good shape. Its not like I use my PC much for anything but WoW currently...
[22:29]  * YankDownUnder giggles about WoW - he worries about business critical applications
[22:29] <craptalk> vernon: WINE?
[22:29] <vernon> wine, WINE, WiNe, however you spell or capitalize it.
[22:29] <craptalk> vernon: will it be lagging?
[22:30] <vernon> Not sure, which could cause problems for some features of the game...
[22:30] <vernon> They just said it works fine.
[22:30] <craptalk> it is like an application-bridge, but to do such work, i am not sure
[22:31] <craptalk> vernon: well, i think there is the latest wine version out there, some say it is good to do such job, i just never try
[22:32] <vernon> Now I do have a Razer Naga and Logitech G910 keyboard. I have the windows drivers, but they said nothing about support for Linux. They have tons of buttons, and if you have ever played a MMORPG, you know you need all the buttons you can get. Will these work smoothly, or will it require some sort of hack to work?
[22:32] <Ben64> either google it, or try a liveusb
[22:33] <vernon> Gotcha. Was not sure if anyone on here knew anything about that.
[22:33] <vernon> What about SSDs?
[22:34] <craptalk> vernon: from what i know, dont get too stressed out to try linux, it will satisfy you, but required a bit of searching it first. cause it ain't windows
[22:34] <vernon> I know this. Things just.... work with Windows but I grow tired of it daily. I don't like restarting my PC every 10 seconds for an update.
[22:35] <craptalk> vernon: cause i wish i knew linux for my first Operating System
[22:36] <craptalk> vernon: you got everything you need to do anything, just go here and ask, but try it first
[22:39] <Humorousone> hmm
[22:40] <Humorousone> Does anyone else have issues with the right click on touch pads not working?
[22:41] <sruli> i use this command to generate random mac, can anyone helo me make the the first set should not contain 'fe'? openssl rand -hex 6 | sed 's/\(..\)/\1:/g; s/.$//'
[22:52] <Guest14933> thank you all
[22:54] <absynthesyne> brainwash: now well I tried to build the kernel but it didn't work. said the amdgpu module is missing along with quite a few others.
[23:16] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[23:18] <Umeaboy> I'm in Ubuntu 15.10 atm because I feel that it's more stable than the LTS version of 16.04 for some reason and I've downloaded the sfa-mer script to run it in order to build an image for Sailfish OS to my Sony Xperia Z3 Compact Tablet and here's the full output of the entire process til it fails.
[23:19] <Umeaboy> I know that there should be a line with sdk in some of theese files that it runs, but I'm not sure as to in which.
[23:19] <Umeaboy> And yes I know the hybris version is wrong, but I'll fix that in the sfa-mer repo soon.
[23:20] <Umeaboy> I just need some help with making sudo zypper ar............... to work in the SDK.
[23:20] <Umeaboy> setup-mer.sh?
[23:20] <Umeaboy> Should I place it in the bottom of it?
[23:20] <Umeaboy> Because now it tries to run that line outside of the sdk.
[23:21] <Umeaboy> That's not what it should do.
[23:21] <Umeaboy> It should enter the SDK and THEN run that command.
[23:21] <Umeaboy> There is supposed to be a fix for this line somewhere on github, but I haven't gotten any link yet.
[23:22] <Umeaboy> Here's the sfa-mer script: https://github.com/dmt4/sfa-mer
[23:22] <Umeaboy> Is there anyone that can help?
[23:23] <Die> Is it better to compile a program then convert a rpm to deb?
[23:25] <Umeaboy> Die: Which program?
[23:26] <Umeaboy> I use both rpm and deb.
[23:26] <Umeaboy> Mageia and Ubuntu.
[23:26] <Die> Some opengl drivers
[23:26] <Umeaboy> Mageia is similar to Fedora.
[23:26] <Umeaboy> Die: Specifically which one?
[23:27] <Die> Using a legacy video card
[23:27] <Umeaboy> Maybe there's a source package for that driver on packages.ubuntu.com
[23:27] <Die> and can't find any drivers that are deb
[23:28] <Umeaboy> Die: If you check in the Settings menu in the Programs and Updates section and the Additional drivers tab you might find more options.
[23:28] <Umeaboy> If not.......then go to packages.ubuntu.com and look for it there.
[23:29] <Umeaboy> Also.........read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/691271/upgrading-to-latest-version-of-opengl-on-ubuntu-15-10
[23:29] <Umeaboy> Should also be valid in 16.04.
[23:35] <Die> I am using Voodoo 5 5500
[23:36] <roundduckman> I need help, why is my boot speed slower after doing "sudo ecryptfs-setup-swap," but then after an error saying that "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1" doesn't exist, I decided to wipe the swap partition and get rid of its entries in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab and making a new normal swap via gparted. Why is it now my boot speed slower than usual by a few more seconds?
[23:37] <roundduckman> Did I do something wrong?
[23:42] <CoolKevin> ok sorry back again, still with the same problem, is there some way to post a compliant somewhere,
[23:43] <Ben64> post a compliant?
[23:43] <CoolKevin> not much works on this O?S
[23:43] <CoolKevin> not properly
[23:43] <Ben64> maybe if you explain the issues someone here can help
[23:44] <CoolKevin> I have several times
[23:44] <Ben64> not anytime recently, i scrolled up and can't see you
[23:44] <Die> When you go into a kernel panic the ram is loaded into the swap
[23:44] <vlab> for whatever reason i cannot get ubuntu mini to boot.
[23:45] <CoolKevin> first one is crashing flash player, in chrome, and does not work in firefox
[23:45] <effectnet> the window handling and clicking is pretty intuitive
[23:45] <roundduckman> I need help, why is my boot speed slower after doing "sudo ecryptfs-setup-swap," but then after an error saying that "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1" doesn't exist, I decided to wipe the swap partition and get rid of its entries in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab and making a new normal swap via gparted. Why is it now my boot speed slower than usual by a few more seconds?
[23:45] <vlab> ubuntu desktop boots fine but i don't want the desktop. anyone mind helping troubleshoot? what kind of info is needed?
[23:45] <sruli> vlab: mini iso?
[23:45] <vlab> sruli, yes
[23:45] <CoolKevin> it was a few hours the last time, and a few days before that as well
[23:45] <sruli> bios is legacy or uefi?
[23:45] <vlab> sruli, uefi
[23:46] <vlab> asrock's uefi dual bios whatever the hell it is. it's got the gui so i'm gonna go with uefi
[23:46] <sruli> which version of ubuntu mini? i dont think it has eufi, mount the iso see if it has efi dir
[23:46] <vlab> sruli, 14.04.4
[23:47] <sruli> as far as i remember, it doesnt have efi
[23:47] <vlab> i've tried the signed kernel, unsigned kernel, and unsigned trusty kernel
[23:47] <sruli> what i did was copy the efi dir from ubuntu desktop iso to mini
[23:48] <vlab> sruli, i'll give it a shot. been at this for hours and getting pretty frustrated >_>
[23:48] <sruli> i am sure thats the issue
[23:48] <Ben64> vlab: if you don't want the desktop, use the server iso
[23:49] <roundduckman> Help?
[23:49] <Soulboy> Has anyone here ever used Ubuntu with the killer 1535 wireless AC card?
[23:49] <vlab> Ben64, i don't need any of the server extras either
[23:50] <vlab> sruli, the mini iso has an EFI folder
[23:51] <Ben64> vlab: so then don't check the stuff you don't want
[23:51] <sruli> vlab: in the root dir?
[23:51] <vlab> Ben64, last time i checked there wasn't an option to not install the base server packages with the server iso?
[23:51] <vlab> sruli, yes
[23:52] <Ben64> what do you imagine gets installed that you don't want
[23:52] <sruli> vlab: contents?
[23:53] <roundduckman> help
[23:55] <Umeaboy> Die: Have you tried running this? http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Scan.aspx?lang=en-uk
[23:57] <Umeaboy> roundduckman: You rang?
[23:57] <roundduckman> I need help, why is my boot speed slower after doing "sudo ecryptfs-setup-swap," but then after an error saying that "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1" doesn't exist, I decided to wipe the swap partition and get rid of its entries in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab and making a new normal swap via gparted. Why is it now my boot speed slower than usual by a few more seconds?
[23:58] <roundduckman> Also a few updates happened, but I don't think they're the cause...
[23:58] <Ben64> maybe you're imagining it?
[23:59] <Umeaboy> roundduckman: How did you install Ubuntu in the first place?
[23:59] <effectnet> i wonder if samba will start when i reboot
[23:59] <Umeaboy> And what brand model of the computer?


[02:38] <pleia2> publishing now
[02:56] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 467 for the week May 23 - 29, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue467
[03:02] <pleia2> keep getting 500 error when I try to go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Archive :\
[03:03] <pleia2> so I've done what I could on the wiki
[03:07] <pleia2> finally got in
[03:43] <Unit193> No broken links. \o/
[03:54] <pleia2> thanks :)
[03:54]  * pleia2 slee &
[03:54] <pleia2> sleep too!


[00:00] <Len-nb> Jack running with pulse bridged, hydrogen running (playing audio), ardour recording two tracks of audio. Dsp at 33%.... CPU at 800Mhz. Switching workspaces flips it up to 1.6Ghz momentarily.
[00:02] <Len-nb> ailo_, xrun/min seem to go away while cpu speed is higher.
[00:03] <ailo_> Len-nb: Makes sense
[00:03] <ailo_> That means less chance of getting xruns because of NM if CPU is fast
[00:04] <Len-nb> Now if I could just get it to stay set to performance...
[00:04] <ailo_> Should make the netbook hotter too
[00:04] <Len-nb> such is life...
[00:05] <ailo_> Len-nb: How are you changing it now?
[00:05] <Len-nb> ailo_, I have yet to catch the CPU at the two in between speeds...
[00:06] <Len-nb> I had a line in rc.local that set it to performance.
[00:07] <Len-nb> But something shut it off to on demand.
[00:08] <Len-nb> portable devices must keep checking or something. I have not changed from power to battery or anything like that though.
[00:09] <ailo_> Len-nb: Do you have some laptop specific stuff installed?
[00:10] <ailo_> You might have conf files for them that override others
[00:11] <Len-nb> just US. Anything else is desktop apps or games.
[00:11] <Len-nb> The same as i would put on my desktop
[00:11] <ailo_> cause laptops seem to have their own conf file to set all kinds of things
[00:12] <Len-nb> There is a daemon running called ondemand
[00:12] <Len-nb> It may do different things because a battery is present.
[00:13] <ailo_> Len-nb: There's a utlity called cpufrequtils
[00:13] <Len-nb> Thats how I am watching the cpu freq.
[00:13] <ailo_> You should be able to set default settings with it's conf file
[00:13] <ailo_> /etc/default/cpufrequtils
[00:13] <Len-nb> Thats also what I call to set performance on boot.
[00:14] <Len-nb> I'll look.
[00:14] <ailo_> If I remember correctly, you can edit a file in /sys/* to do it manually
[00:16] <ailo_> echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[00:16] <Len-nb> Nope, file not there. I think I have to keep ondemand from running _and_ then set things to performance.
[00:17] <Len-nb> Ja, I saw that on the audio setup page. I got the way I do it from there too.
[00:17] <Len-nb> Maybe try the other too.
[00:17] <ailo_> But that's only for the first processor though
[00:17] <Len-nb> I do it twice one for each cpu.
[00:20] <ailo_> Len-nb: How about sysfsutils?
[00:21] <ailo_> Len-nb: An old link http://superuser.com/questions/179329/disable-frequency-scaling-ondemand-daemon-on-ubuntu-10-04
[00:21] <ailo_> Still, strange that it changes for you
[00:23] <Len-nb> It will take me some playing around. But probably worth doing in my case.
[00:28] <Len-nb> Hmm, did /etc/rc.local freq stays at 1.6 and is now governed by "performance"
[00:29] <Len-nb> Pulled power on battery, still full speed, plugged back still ok. Maybe I have a timing issue with upstart.
[00:30] <Len-nb> rc.local runs before whatever sets ondemand. I think I will try a wait 30 or 60
[00:31] <Len-nb> sorry, use a sleep.
[00:36] <Len-nb> Now I have xrun/2minutes...
[01:40] <Len-nb> ailo_, how come I see this in syslog:
[01:41] <Len-nb> May 10 16:31:03 len-netbook pulseaudio[1802]: [pulseaudio] module-jack-sink.c: JACK error >Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/72)(1: Operation not permitted)<
[01:45] <ailo_> Len-nb: Did you remove the lines from the wrong file /etc/security/limits.conf?
[01:45] <ailo_> And what does jack say when you start it, in its' messages?
[01:46] <ailo_> us-controls edits the wrong file, as I mentioned. If you want to use the memlock values, either paste them into the right file, or edit the program ubuntustudio-controls, which is a python file
[01:47] <ailo_> Probably in /usr/share/ubuntustudio-controls/ubuntustudio-controls
[01:48] <ailo_> Ah, sorry
[01:48] <ailo_> I remember now
[01:48] <Len-nb> Ya, it was before this boot.--Thu May 10 18:46:01 2012: JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 77
[01:48] <Len-nb> Thats from right now
[01:49] <ailo_> I'm exhausted. Bugs caused by bugs
[01:49] <ailo_> Time to hit bed
[01:50] <Len-nb> The line above was before but from the pulse half. So maybe it is complaining about jacksink not being able to be RT as jack is because pulse is not...
[01:53] <ailo_> Len-nb: I think pulse uses audio group too, which is why probably jack will begin to use a new group later called realtime
[01:54] <ailo_> Not sure. There's something about that group anyway
[01:54] <Len-nb> That should confuse things.... think about all those slightly old audio howto pages ;-)
[02:30] <Len-nb> ailo_, instead of "record" mode it should be "performance" mode.
[02:30] <Len-nb> still confusing... maybe "high performance" mode.
[02:59] <Len-nb> ailo_, found out what happens... ondemand gets set 60 sec after boot "to give user time to logon". So I logon and check and it says performance.... then a few sec later it becomes ondemand :P
[03:01] <Len-nb> As I have been setting up runlevel 3 as my performance level... I have set thing to switch that way. I may still have some problems yet.
[17:46] <micahg> FYI, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/2.0


[22:59] <phoenixsampras> Ubuntu 11.04
[22:59] <cassio> hi. how can i change the workspace grid from a 2x2 to the old 1x4 grid?
[22:59] <escott> thanos, are you expecting a window to just pop-up
[23:00] <ivo__> hi
[23:00] <escott> cassio, should be accessible in ccsm
[23:00] <cassio> escott, i can't seem to find it
[23:00] <typhoon> rcmaehl, you are going to have to read the manual I'm afraid. You can start by maybe using KDE if you want a "start menu" and a taskbar at the bottom. Or you could move the panels around
[23:00] <cassio> escott, Ive looked in expo and desktop wall
[23:00] <celly> tudo bem
[23:00] <jdahm> escott: ok trying again...
[23:00] <rcmaehl> typhoon: you can't use kde on a netbook man, you just can'y
[23:00] <ivo__> i have 2 hard drives, but icant paste files to emty one
[23:00] <rcmaehl> can't*
[23:00] <sfdsafdsafdsa> Today I was trying Natty so ..Do you think Natty 11.04 (Unity) will be the Vista phase of Ubuntu ? I mean Vista as in Windows Vista
[23:00] <Samsagax> cassio: just right click on the switcher > preferences
[23:00] <Galvatron> abys: For nVidia best download the .run file from their website to your homedirectory, then Alt + Ctrl + F1 --> sudo service gdm stop --> sudo sh ./NVIDIA-Linux_x86-270.41.06.run When the installer is sone, just restart X.
[23:00] <leagris> could not get <super>+<button4-5> to zoom-in-out in compiz ezoom while using Unity
[23:01] <rcmaehl> sfdsafdsafdsa: yes
[23:01] <thanos> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/600475/
[23:01] <Samsagax> 45
[23:01] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: thanks, I'll try that.
[23:01] <cassio> Samsagax, right click on the switcher doesnt bring up any options in the launcher
[23:01] <undead> how do i can paste date and time in logfile,  example "time >> logfile.log"
[23:01] <Galvatron> abys: To remove it just use "./NVIDIA-Linux_x86-270.41.06.run --uninstall" instead.
[23:01] <zvacet> fatbrain_t:  np
[23:01] <leagris> Unity loaded a huge band of icons to the left but that many and no labels is quite useless
[23:01] <escott> thanos, you need to mkdir that mountpoint first
[23:01] <Samsagax> cassio: U mean in unity? you just can't
[23:01] <zombie__> libreoffice vs open office?
[23:02] <abys> Galvatron this is durring the upgrade i'm still in 10.10
[23:02] <Monotoko> ...does anyone know how to get multiple terminals..?!
[23:02] <Monotoko> in natty
[23:02] <cassio> Samsagax, yes, Im using 11.04. there's no way to change the 2x2 grid to a 1x4?
[23:02] <FreeTheBee> is there any configuration possible besides the stuff in the ccsm unity plugin?
[23:02] <coz_> Monotoko,   keep opening multiple instances ?
[23:02] <FreeTheBee> like the size of the dash
[23:02] <slackin> <3 ;>
[23:02] <joepa> I'm trying to pin an application to the system tray in unity, but when I logout and log back in, the application disappears from the system tray
[23:02] <leagris> missing autoloading of sound modules snd-hda-intel, snd-ac97-codec, snd-pcm. Has to load them manually and restart pulseaudio after login-in
[23:02] <joepa> any ideas what's going wrong?
[23:02] <nadien> firefox menu button is missing on ubuntu natty D:
[23:03] <celly> oi
[23:03] <typhoon> rcmaehl: assuming you have gnome classic?
[23:03] <zombie__> R click check "keep in launcher"
[23:03] <coz_> Monotoko,  I am on natty now with 4 terminals opened... just open a new one and another instance will show up
[23:03] <leagris> gnome-volume-control crash whenever I engage a speaker test
[23:03] <rcmaehl> typhoon: idk unity just crashed and I can't reload it
[23:03] <Samsagax> cassio: I'm using natty too, got another problem with i386 programs, but in Gnome (Classic ubuntu) you can change the 2x2 to 1x4 grid
[23:03] <escott> zombie__, libreoffice open office is dead
[23:03] <mfilipe> anyone knows how I find out if my ssd supports TRIM?
[23:04] <zookalicious> nadien: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[23:04] <rcmaehl> typhoon: the upgrade screwed up my shortcuts
[23:04] <Leprikonas> to open multiple terminals click the terminal icon with the middle mouse button
[23:04] <Samsagax> cassio: my advice: don't use unity
[23:04] <zookalicious> nadien: scroll to the section about the firefox menu button
[23:04] <cassio> Samsagax, yup, I know in the old version it worked. strange you can't change it in unity
[23:04] <Galvatron> abys: It will be fastest to just download the 11.04 .iso
[23:04] <coz_> Leprikonas, ah I completely forgot about middle click :)
[23:04] <cassio> Samsagax, I like the screen space gain in unity. but it seems to be a little crippled as of yet
[23:04] <leagris> compiz ezoom mouse tracking default to an insane 40ms giving sloppy zoom mouvments
[23:04] <phoenixsampras> can i UPGRADE using the ISO? im on 10.10
[23:04] <Samsagax> cassio: in unity you can't change almost nothing
[23:04] <typhoon> rcmaehl: Your day is getting better and better lol. I would roll back to 10.04. I'm not upgrading for a while yet because unity is *cough* unstable :-)
[23:04] <leagris> compiz ezoom default to no zoom shortcuts
[23:05] <jibadeeha> cassio, http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=150768
[23:05] <Samsagax> cassio: but is just my oppinion
[23:05] <ChronicSyncope> oh man the upgrade is going so slow.  Is it just because everyone is connected?
[23:05] <Galvatron> abys:Installing it from a scratch will be 2-3x faster.
[23:05] <abys> Galvatron: snif, I was wishing to not reinstall from scratch!! :'(
[23:05] <stefg> !clone
[23:05] <abys> Galvatron: All my programs and configs for couple of years :p
[23:06] <zvacet> phoenixsampras: use alternate cd iso and you will can
[23:06] <abys> Galvatron backing up my banshee musicdatabase and all applications will be a pain
[23:06] <nadien> zookalicious, how to enter addons mannager without the menu button?
[23:07] <aguitel> how remove all gnome stuff in natty?
[23:07] <Galvatron> abys: Do you have just one partition for system and /home + data?
[23:07] <zookalicious> nadien: it will be in the panel if you are using Unity
[23:07] <zvacet> abys: if you use above command you will have to install all packages again
[23:07] <abys> Galvatron yep
[23:07] <ivo__> hel please
[23:08] <leagris> I'll give Debian testing a try tomorrow, too much problems with Natty
[23:08] <zvacet> abys: make separate home
[23:08] <ivo__> help
[23:08] <Samsagax> Need some help: can't install a i386 application on my 64bit ubuntu natty
[23:08] <Captainkrtek> I use unity
[23:08] <stefg> !info ia32-libs
[23:08] <nadien> zookalicious, i can see only the tabs, and the page content only
[23:08] <Galvatron> I truly admire yourcourage, trying to install a freash and potentially problematic system on such setup.
[23:08] <jibadeeha> cassio, "Launch CCSM yet again, and select General Options from the category 'General'. Select the tab 'Desktop Size' and choose the values you want. Simple as that."
[23:08] <Samsagax> stefg: got it, but just won't install
[23:08] <sfdsafdsafdsa> Today I was trying Natty so ..Do you think Natty 11.04 (Unity) will be the Vista phase of Ubuntu ? I mean Vista as in Windows Vista
[23:08] <Logan_> !ot | sfdsafdsafdsa
[23:09] <Galvatron> abys: Do NOT touch Natty unless you make a separate partition for the main system.
[23:09] <stefg> Samsagax: get 'wrong architecture'? use "the force"!
[23:09] <jibadeeha> sfdsafdsafdsa, ubuntu 11.04 is the Win7 stage - Vista indeed
[23:09] <abys> is it hard to migrate the home drive?
[23:09] <cassio> jibadeeha, thanks. that did the trick
[23:09] <jibadeeha> cassio, no worries
[23:10] <ninjai> tricky question: I'm using "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>"ls $MYVARIABLE", where $MYVARIABLE is set in the user profile.  This never works unless I log in instead of issuing only the command at the end.  Why? Is there  a workaround?
[23:10] <claw>  after updating to natty i cant install broadcom wlan driver : jockey.log http://tinyurl.com/6bvscku
[23:10] <zookalicious> nadien: If you are using Unity, then the menu option should be in the panel (the very top of the screen), otherwise I don't know what to tell you.
[23:10] <Samsagax> stefg: done that, it says i need some dependencies, i installed them and got the same message again
[23:10] <Galvatron> abys: No. Download Gparted LiveCD and create an 8192MB ext4 partition. That's all.
[23:10] <nadien> zookalicious, what is unity, im on live cd ubuntu
[23:10] <mleger> hey, is anyone here using Ubuntu 11.04 on Parallels? Can't get Parallels tools to install. Any help will be appreciated!
[23:10] <escott> ninjai, because you aren't getting a login shell
[23:10] <Samsagax> stefg: won't install even with force-all
[23:11] <abys> 8GB for / and rest for /home?
[23:11] <zookalicious> nadien: Unity is the desktop environment that is default in Ubuntu version 11.04
[23:11] <Galvatron> Then, during the installation just choose the manual partation setup and use the 8GB one as "/" mount point", and the second one as "/home" mount point (obviously do NOT mark /home for formatting).
[23:11] <jon_athon> how do I change the startup sound?
[23:11] <phoenixsampras> zvacet: what alternative ISO? i have the 11.04 ISO, but i just want to upgrade
[23:12] <aguitel> how remove all gnome stuff in natty?
[23:12] <nadien> zookalicious, f**k, now ubuntu is like mac os x
[23:12] <abys> would be great and easy if I had space available on my HD :/
[23:12] <Samsagax> aguitel: you shouldn't if you use unity
[23:12] <abys> have to make space no choice
[23:12] <skulltip> no, mac is like linux
[23:12] <escott> ninjafish, man ssh | grep login  If command is specified, it is executed on the remote host instead of a login shell.
[23:13] <coz_> aguitel,   what is it you dont want specifically?
[23:13] <aguitel> Samsagax, i will install gnome-core
[23:13] <zookalicious> nadien: Unity is the default desktop environment, however if you do not like it, select Ubuntu Classic Desktop at the login screen
[23:13] <typhoon> no unity is like mac
[23:13] <typhoon> linux is just the kernel
[23:13] <aguitel> coz_, install gnome-core only
[23:13] <escott> ninjafish, meant for ninjai
[23:13] <nadien> skulltip, but ubuntu ubuntu (graphic interface) copies mac
[23:13] <skulltip> what's wrong with that tyhpoon, there's a reason macs are expensive besides greedy executives
[23:14] <skulltip> and windows 9 copies chrome, then years later buys the patents and tries to stiffle competition
[23:14] <escott> ninjai, instead of ssh "ls $MYVARIABLE" do ssh "/bin/bash --login \"ls $MYVARIABLE\""
[23:14] <rcmaehl_fallback> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! SO many error messages! I thought 11.04 was stable
[23:14] <typhoon> skulltip: I was correcting you, not comparing the 2
[23:14] <Samsagax> no one can help me?
[23:14]  * macs installs ubuntu 11.04 :D
[23:14] <zookalicious> skulltip-  I think he was just picking at the Linux != full OS point
[23:14] <rcmaehl_fallback> macs: no
[23:14] <zvacet> phoenixsampras:  I don´ think you can upgrade with desktop cd maybe something is changes but that is how is use to be
[23:14] <rcmaehl_fallback> macs: run
[23:14] <macs> whai?
[23:14] <skulltip> :) i dont mind great ideas being shared, just dont go patent trolling
[23:14] <coz_> aguitel,  not sure how much left  you will have with just core,,, I dont have a good answer for you,, its likely Unity will break if you do this..however,, you could go to gimpnet server and the #gnome  main channel and ask
[23:14] <phoenixsampras> Why 11.04 is so bugged? How to DOWNGRADE?
[23:15] <escott> phoenixsampras, you cant
[23:15] <zvacet> abys:  read http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[23:15] <zookalicious> zvacet-  you can upgrade from CD now
[23:15] <DGM> ubuntu 11 64 bit hangs on installing ubiquity (could not find module nvidia and more of those), clean install.. couldn't find any bugs that completely describe the problem. Any ideas?
[23:15] <zvacet> abys:  or http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-a-separate-home-partition-in-ubuntu.html
[23:15] <Samsagax> DGM: your machine?
[23:15] <happyface> DGM, hangs where?
[23:15] <Galvatron> skulltip: Mac is Mac, and it is Linux that copies its features.
[23:15] <abys> cheers man, have a look at it
[23:16] <zookalicious> Galvatron-  All OS' copy other OS'
[23:16] <DGM> happyface: while installing ubiquity it just spams with could not found module and then just hangs
[23:16] <zvacet> phoenixsampras:  reinstall 10.10
[23:16] <skulltip> that being said, i'm still on 10.10
[23:16] <zookalicious> Galvatron-  In different ways. It's healthy competition.
[23:16] <rcmaehl_fallback> ubuntu 11.04, every time you change a compiz setting unity crashes
[23:16] <aguitel> coz_, thispage is usefull but no natty answer till now about my question ,http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[23:16] <pas> I have install ubuntu 11.04 - new istanlation with cable internet... now don't run the wi-fi
[23:16] <DGM> Samsagax: amd phenom 2 x6 1090T, 4 gb ram, nvidia gtx 295
[23:16] <zvacet> zookalicious: I didn´t see that option during install can you point me to the link
[23:16] <Galvatron> My Ubu 10.10 (GNOME) is modified to be a Win/Mac hybrid.
[23:16] <Samsagax> DGM: then is not an hybrid graphics problem
[23:17] <rcmaehl_fallback> rcmaehl: gtfo
[23:17] <compdoc> I notice in a fresh install of natty, that services like acpid and irqbalance are not set to run. Are these not needed anymore? I intend to use the box as a qemu-KVM server
[23:17] <phoenixsampras> 11.04 looks like a ripped version of MACOSx
[23:17] <zookalicious> zvacet-  one second
[23:17] <DGM> Samsagax: it complains about more modules then just nvidia.. it's almost like it can't find any at all
[23:17] <nb72> Am I the only one who noticed quicken listed on the ubuntu website? Is that now available in the software center?
[23:17] <skulltip> ubuntu is smart for wanting to spread to devices they can profit from, good for them
[23:17] <acicula> !offtopic
[23:17] <Samsagax> DGM: blacklist nouveau
[23:17] <coz_> phoenixsampras,  i couldnt agree more ,, however  "there it is "  :)
[23:18] <kk9822> hi
[23:18] <skulltip> try gnome-classic on a pad
[23:18] <acicula> compdoc: you mean the kernel services?
[23:18] <DGM> Samsagax: after waiting for ages on the setup i desided to look at why it was stopping.. and it was stuck on that missing module line while installing "ubiquity"
[23:18] <Samsagax> DGM: and check the xorg.conf
[23:18] <kk9822> i just upgraded my ubuntu from 10.1 to 11.04
[23:18] <phoenixsampras> it is like... MACOSX for the poor man
[23:18] <werever> hi!, I just upgraded from ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04, and now my pc cant start...I only see a command line with "grub rescue >"....any ideas how to fix grub? :( :( :(
[23:18] <zvacet> Galvatron : mac is bsd based very originall don´t you think
[23:18] <DGM> Samsagax: i'm still in the setup though... it hasnt even fully installed yet
[23:18] <acicula> phoenixsampras: can you frame that as a support question
[23:18] <skulltip> i'll have to close my mouth until i can upgrade
[23:18] <pas> I have install ubuntu 11.04 - new istanlation with cable internet... now don't run the wi-fi .. how i doing?
[23:18] <kk9822> the screen is blank
[23:18] <entity> just upgraded to 11.04 via update-manager -d. after restart, i get "Ubuntu 10.10 The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present..." how to fix? :\
[23:18] <kk9822> why
[23:18] <TerryBook> Natty upgrade complete.  so....how do I configure this sidebar thing?
[23:18] <compdoc> acicula, well, I'm using Boot-up manager, and its the services that start at boot
[23:19] <zvacet> zookalicious:ok
[23:19] <Galvatron> phoenixsampras: Unity looks this way because it was designed for tablets and netbooks and it's much different from OSX interface.
[23:19] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: had installed the graphics drivers incorrectly, reinstalled and now Unity works. Cheers!
[23:19] <claw>  after updating to natty i cant install broadcom wlan driver : jockey.log http://tinyurl.com/6bvscku
[23:19] <Samsagax> DGM: ohh.. i think you should install with no drivers and then install the drivers, is safer that way
[23:19] <coz_> phoenixsampras,  there has been a slight leaning towards mac like  look ,, buttons on the left and now global menu.. I am not sure what the long term vision for ubuntu is,, I just know did not get it right  but  there are people who think they did so ,, as I said   "there it is "
[23:19] <zvacet> fatbrain_t: enjoy your ubuntu  :)
[23:19] <stefg> TerryBook: you don't :-) options are considered to be too confusing
[23:19] <Osmodivs> !hardware
[23:19] <typhoon> samsagax: This is linux not windows :-)
[23:19] <Samsagax> DGM: im wondering why the Xorg Propietary drivers testing stopped ad week 3
[23:20] <acicula> compdoc: err im not familiar with boot-up manager. the services you mentioned sound familiar but are you experiencing an actual problem or just wondering why they are not appearing anymore?
[23:20] <Samsagax> typhoon: I know but natty is still not as stable as it should be
[23:20] <Osmodivs> typhoon, Linux uses drivers as well
[23:20] <DGM> Samsagax: but all i did was insert the usb stick, picked what partition it should all go to, and hit install.. and then poof. it even wrecked my grub but i managed to get that back up through a live cd
[23:20] <zookalicious> zvacet-  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8KRrr0qlSxU/Tbf-5a1QoiI/AAAAAAAAB_A/YUG-iHhCXa8/s1600/Screenshot-1.png
[23:21] <abys> zvacet crazy idea, what do you think about remapping /home on a USB HD, rezise disk and remap to the new partition? possible or stupid?
[23:21] <typhoon> osmodivs: I know, I still have to hack in some 2d sis drivers for my old laptop. Seems I have had a sense of humour failure or something
[23:21] <reeceb> Hey guys, I'm trying to connect a small board to the internet via a wlan1 connection, but can't get any DHCP offers. ideas?
[23:21] <reeceb> sorry, the small board runs ubuntu.
[23:21] <pas> Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver don't run
[23:21] <Samsagax> DGM: strange
[23:22] <Nickftw_> .
[23:23] <typhoon> night guys. Good luck with Natty
[23:23] <Samsagax> DGM: did you check the "format" option in the / mount?
[23:23] <DGM> Samsagax: yep ofc
[23:23] <MishaS> ckserv identify no!way
[23:23] <zookalicious> zvacet: I assume if the disk can't read your current installation for whatever reason then you will not see the option on the screen I sent you.
[23:23] <DGM> Samsagax: i have a /, a 4 gb swap and some ntfs'es for windows
[23:23] <aguitel> coz_, thispage is usefull but no natty answer till now about my question ,http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[23:24] <tomekh> hi. i have just installed xubuntu 11.04. is there a way to apt-get only libreoffice writer and calc? (yeah, i'd like to have an minimal libreoffice installation in my xubuntu environment)
[23:24] <nb72> Can anybody confirm that quicken is now available in the software center?
[23:24] <Samsagax> DGM: just as me, i don't know what is happening to you. Try to install again witout networ
[23:24] <zvacet> zookalicious: maybe because it is multiboot
[23:24] <ismaell> BEWARE, broken brcm80211 *confirmed*
[23:24] <mickster04> tomekh: try tab complete and see if it shows you?
[23:24] <mickster04> !tab | tomekh
[23:25] <DGM> Samsagax: funny thing is, when i look through bug reports, they say its either fixed last month, or say they're a duplicate of a bug that looks nothing like what is described xD
[23:25] <zookalicious> zvacet: that would be likely.
[23:25] <Samsagax> anyone can help me about i386 apps in amd64 architecture
[23:25] <Samsagax> ?
[23:25] <ismaell> farewell!
[23:25] <zookalicious> zvacet-  I haven't touched a 11.04 CD yet so I wouldn't know
[23:25] <zvacet> abys: Idon´t know I never did it
[23:25] <tomekh> mickster04: ?
[23:25] <DGM> Samsagax: you could set up a 32 chroot, that worked fine for me :)
[23:25] <Samsagax> DGM: as i've said, natty is not as stable as it should be
[23:25] <abys> sound like challenge :)
[23:25] <DGM> bit*
[23:25] <zvacet> zookalicious: so it works if you have only ubuntu?
[23:26] <Samsagax> DGM: tried that... didn't work
[23:26] <TerryBook> stefg:  options are a requirement for me to use something.  lack of options = stress, annoyance, irritation, and frustration :P
[23:26] <zookalicious> zvacet-  I'm not sure, I haven't tried it, but I could see that being a problem.
[23:26] <DGM> Samsagax: ye, disappointing :) oh well. I guess i'll use windows for a while hehe
[23:26] <Samsagax> DGM: use maverick, it is good as it should be
[23:26] <DGM> Samsagax: missing lib or something? What's the error it gives?
[23:27] <zvacet> zookalicious : possibly because I saw about that option on net but I didn´t so it during install
[23:27] <wazzup> is it possible to install ubuntu on a usb stick ???
[23:27] <d3vlin> the natty installer had a very nice fullscreen plymouth ubuntu boot/quit logo.. but after install at boot only a purple rectangle and at shutdown the ubuntu logo in low res. How can I fix this?
[23:27] <mickster04> tomekh: when you tyoe in sudo apt-get install op<tab> and it will show you a list of options
[23:27] <Samsagax> DGM: gives an error about missing dependencies, i have the dependencies installed, but it just keeps telling me that i dont
[23:27] <zvacet> wazzup.yes
[23:27] <DGM> wazzup: from or on?
[23:27] <habriel> how are you all someone have any course from nagios can than help me please
[23:27] <wazzup> on
[23:27] <tomekh> mickster04: nope, it will not :)
[23:27] <mickster04> tomekh: why not?
[23:27] <nb72> wazzup, it is, I'm pretty sure instructions are on ubuntu.com
[23:27] <DGM> Samsagax: hm did you install those deps in your chroot though?
[23:27] <Galvatron> aguitel: sudo apt-get synaptic && gksu synaptic will be the easiest way.
[23:28] <wazzup> nb72 : i will try to find it :)
[23:28] <Samsagax> DGM: how can i know for sure?
[23:28] <stefg> TerryBook: there is ccsm which is a somwhat hackish way to do some configuartion... but the general idea is: take ir or leave it (and facing the possibilty that more users don't take, but leave)
[23:28] <Galvatron> tomekh: sudo apt-get synaptic && gksu synaptic will be the easiest way.
[23:28] <zvacet> wazzup:  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[23:28] <Galvatron> Mybad
[23:28] <bittyx-laptop> i'm downloading 11.04 right now, and i've taken notice that unity is used by default. is it easy to switch back to the regular gnome desktop instead?
[23:28] <zookalicious> bittyx-laptop-  yup
[23:28] <mickster04> !unity
[23:28] <arand> bittyx-laptop: Yes, select classic at login.
[23:28] <Samsagax> DGM: funny thing is i had this app installed on averick w/o anything else than ia32-libs
[23:28] <Galvatron> bittyx-laptop: Log out and choose "Ubuntu Classic"
[23:28] <habriel> how are you all someone have any course from nagios
[23:29] <TerryBook> bittyx-laptop:  yeah, on the login screen
[23:29] <wazzup> zvacet : that is too isntall from a usb drive :p not on a usb drive
[23:29] <bittyx-laptop> woot, so many answers. thanks guys, but as i've already said, i'm downloading at the moment, so i haven't had a chance to try it out myself yet. just asking so i would know what to expect. thanks again!
[23:30] <DGM> Samsagax: ah ok, ye i didnt have any problems running 32 bit stuff either, but i had to compile 32 bit libs at some point so i made a 32 bit chroot for that following this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 . You can just use apt in there. It's a bit of a hassle to switch to that chroot to run whatever you need to though.. and it takes up a lotta space too
[23:30] <zookalicious> bittyx-laptop-  no problem. Give Unity a try though before returning to Gnome-Classic. It's not for everyone yet, but you might like it.
[23:30] <nb72> wazzup, I was thinking from, not on.  You can run it like a live CD from the stick, but I'm not sure if you can fully run it from a stick.
[23:30] <SpaceBass> have a server box that has a failed upgrade to 11.04 - trying to recover using a recovery CD. I did a series of apt-get -f and dpkg --configure -a .... that made some progress, however it appears to have reached the end. dpgk --configure -a keeps failing
[23:30] <SpaceBass> can I force a re-application of the upgrade?
[23:30] <Soothsayer> if I cancel the ubuntu upgrade to 11 from within 10.10, can I resume it later?
[23:30] <jrib> SpaceBass: you need to be more specific as to how it is failing (pastebin)
[23:30] <Samsagax> DGM: is like having a second OS
[23:30] <Soothsayer> its too slow at the moment.
[23:31] <DGM> Samsagax: hehe ye
[23:31] <MotherMGA> So I just upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 and it doesn't do 3d accelleration?
[23:31] <zookalicious> Soothsayer-  I don't beleive so
[23:31] <jrib> Soothsayer: if it's only at the download stage, it's ok
[23:31] <bittyx-laptop> also, my download is going at a snail-like ~25KBps (even though i have a 1.5Mbit connection, so i should have more like ~150KBps) - i assume this is because the servers are overloaded at the moment?
[23:31] <SpaceBass> jrib, can't paste bin - no ssh, using recovery CD
[23:31] <Drumm96> I was doing a system upgrade, and at about 99% it crashed. Now on normal boot I'm having issues, but I can boot in failsafe mode.
[23:31] <commodore64th> I seem to have a problem; I just installed compiz-config, used it, and after changing some options, the taskbar and launcher are gone. I can't even open the start menu with the meta key.
[23:31] <jrib> SpaceBass: you don't have internet on the machine?
[23:31] <DGM> Samsagax: i guess it says 32 bit recommended for a reason :P
[23:31] <MotherMGA> it says I have the ati drivers running, but everything renders slower and jerkier than 10.10.
[23:31] <Soothsayer> jrib: but I will lose everything I've downloaded so far right? :-(
[23:31] <jrib> Soothsayer: no
[23:31] <Vilemaxim> join /virtualbox
[23:31] <SpaceBass> jrib, in a console, nothing use. no X
[23:32] <commodore64th> me?
[23:32] <wazzup> nb72 > im trying to install it on a usb drive : i know that live CD is possible but that way i cnat save anything :p
[23:32] <habriel> how are you all someone have any course from nagios
[23:32] <SpaceBass> jrib, I can bring up networking via the recovery CD, but still no browser
[23:32] <Soothsayer> jrib: oh, that's nice then.. its in the "Getting new packages" page.. its already fetched some 150 packages.
[23:32] <DGM> i'm just gonna go to bed.. when i wake up tomorrow all the problems will be solved.. probably.. maybe.. hopefully
[23:32] <DGM> nite
[23:33] <zorlem> habriel, what's up?
[23:33] <zvacet> wazzup: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USB%20Installation%20Media
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: it works!
[23:33] <gogeta> hey does btrfs still need a ext4 boot
[23:33] <Galvatron> Drumm96: In terminal type: sudo dpkg --configure -a - it will finish yhe uncomplete job.
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: thanks for all your help!
[23:33] <escott> jdahm, excellent
[23:33] <escott> jdahm, so it was a stray mbr?
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: also: I very much like the new interface.  I don't know why people are complaining
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: I think so
[23:33] <Drumm96> Galvatron, Thankyou. Got many similar issues tonight?
[23:33] <diegoviola> hi
[23:33] <KMFrog> unity not working in virtualbox?
[23:33] <Preferably_> unity seems to insist that i should use the classic theme
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: you were on the ball with your suggestion
[23:33] <escott> jdahm, well now you have plenty of backup mbrs if sda goes out
[23:34] <diegoviola> Does Ubuntu 11.04 now use Wayland instead of X?
[23:34] <gogeta> jdahm: nooo please dont say lies like that
[23:34] <Preferably_> the default theme flashes quickly and changes to the classic variant
[23:34] <Drumm96> Galvatron, I'll try a reboot. Hope it works!
 i will check that site out
[23:34] <bellcolt> can someone help me restore 11.04?  just upgraded the driver to nvidia-current and gdm does not start during boot
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: no
[23:34] <zetheroo> any way to get the buttons in the launcher to have a hover effect?
[23:34] <Soothsayer> jdahm: baa.. feels kinda kiddy (the interface)
[23:34] <diegoviola> gogeta: when it will use Wayland please?
[23:34] <zookalicious> KMFrog-  Unity works in the newest version of Virtualbox, but not the version from the Ubuntu repository
[23:34] <commodore64th> does anyone know how to start the terminal without using the launcher or the start menu?
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: 11.10
[23:34] <Soothsayer> stuff is too big in the left bar.. can that be reduced though ?
[23:34] <diegoviola> gogeta: nice! :D
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: maybe
[23:34] <jdahm> gogeta: I like the interface.  Linux needs better interfaces.  This is one organizations take on it
[23:34] <wazzup> zvacet : it seems valid i will try it :)
[23:34] <dugger5688> KMFrog: Update to Vbox 4.x (from the oracle .deb) and install virtualbox-ose-X11 (inside the guest OS)
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: not set in stone yet
[23:34] <diegoviola> gogeta: fingers crossed
[23:35] <jrib> SpaceBass: try the following: COMMAND | nc ssh.jrib.net 12345
[23:35] <mnoyce> How do I report a bug in the Natty installer? I have Launchpad account, but when I click on Report a Bug, I just get taken to another web page about reporting bugs...
[23:35] <zvacet> wazzup:  ;)
[23:35] <jdahm> gogeta: beats the hell out of gnome3
[23:35] <rcmaehl_rant> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html <- the hidden files tutorial was very helpful
[23:35] <rafii> MotherMGA: Turn off 'sync to vblank' option from OpenGL section in Compiz config settings manager - no more laggy interface on ATI fglrx drivers
[23:35] <Pilif12p> !update
[23:35] <habriel> zorlem: i am setting  nagios and haven't much experience i'd like find any course from nagio
[23:35] <jrib> SpaceBass: you probably want to redirect stderr too.  Or just create a file you want to pastebin and send that to ssh.jrib.net on port 12345
[23:35] <gogeta> jdahm: i run kde now soo you can see my thoughts on both of them
[23:36] <entity> just upgraded to 11.04 via update-manager -d. after restart, i get "Ubuntu 10.10 The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present..." how to fix? :\
[23:36] <Cube``> how to do the dist-upgrade from commandline?
[23:36] <zorlem> habriel, course? there are a few decent books and a lot of info on the net
[23:36] <jrib> !upgrade | Cube``
[23:36] <KMFrog> dugger5688 i'm running vbox 4.0.6, i'll try updating guest addons
[23:36] <SpaceBass> thanks jrib - what did you do, proxy to pastebin? brb... server is in rack in other room
[23:36] <Pilif12p> Is b2 the same as "stable" ?
[23:36] <jrib> Cube``: follow the server instructions
[23:36] <zorlem> habriel, I'd guess you'll be able to find a course as well
[23:36] <jdahm> gogeta: at first I switched to KDE when gnome3 came out and gnome2 sucked, but KDE is worse than all these new interfaces (combined?) ha
[23:36] <zrogg> Howdi. I just upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04, and I'm left with a desktop with icons but no menus (guessing Unity didnt fire up properly) :/ Any suggestions ?
[23:36] <commodore64th> crap... alt-tab doesn't work
[23:36] <rcmaehl_rant> I get warning telling me that I'm not on 11.04 and that my current version is 11.04
[23:36] <tomasz> ubuntu one have bug in tekst
[23:36] <Cube``> jrib: ?
[23:36] <Cube``> jrib: ah thanks!
[23:36] <jrib> SpaceBass: yeah I have an old script I wrote that will listen and pastebin
[23:36] <gogeta> jdeslaur_: not 4.6 yea i hated kde 3 man it was junk
[23:37] <jrib> SpaceBass: it's mostly useless nowadays because of things like pastebinit but you can't install pastebinit easily because your packaging system is broken
[23:37] <zetheroo> I dunno about the rest of you but I REALLY have to be able to customise the main menu and launcher bar ... REALLY!!!
[23:37] <SpaceBass> jrib, talk about valuable now thought... brb
[23:37] <zookalicious> zrogg-  do you mean the menus normally in the top left?
[23:37] <Soothsayer> when I dual boot between windows and ubuntu, the mac address is the same on both right? My ISP's login client uses my mac-address.
[23:38] <zorlem> Soothsayer, yes
[23:38] <george_> Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks.
[23:38] <skulltip> looking at screenshots, how in any way does it copy a mac??!?
[23:38] <jrib> SpaceBass: in the meantime I need to grab some food.  I'll be back in 10.  I may have 12345 blocked on the router.  If so, I'll take care of that when I return :)
[23:38] <zorlem> Soothsayer, if you haven't changed it in one of the OSes of course
[23:38] <zrogg> zookalicious: I have never tried or seen Unity before, so I have no idea what it is suppose to look like. But atm I'm only seeing a desktop wallpaper and my usual icons :)
[23:38] <zvacet> zrogg: it is first  day but I think unity comes that way just icons on the left
[23:38] <zookalicious> zrogg - The new desktop for Ubuntu 11.04 looks fairly different from 10.10
[23:38] <Samsagax> is there a way to get ANY applet working in unity?
[23:38] <ohsix> zetheroo: if you want the panels (and their customization) back, log in with the classic session
[23:38] <TerryBook> ooh, I *can* configure the sidebar!
[23:39] <entity> anyone know how to fix root filesystem not mounting?
[23:39] <zookalicious> zrogg-  Try clicking the Ubuntu logo in the top left, should bring up the Dash
[23:39] <KMFrog> dugger5688 updating guest additions did the trick, thanks :]
[23:39] <zetheroo> ohsix:  no, that is not a solution ... people keep on saying that :(
[23:39] <step21> Samsagax, weather at top or so works ... webupd8.org ...
[23:39] <mnoyce> Nevermind... I've figured it out...
[23:39] <dugger5688> KMFrog: Glad to hear it, have fun!
[23:39] <ohsix> zetheroo: then you get what you get
[23:39] <pumeust> hello which software do you recommend for adobe flash?
[23:39] <ohsix> Samsagax: same for you :]
[23:39] <zrogg> zookalicious: hm, I don't have an icon there I'm afraid :/
[23:39] <step21> entity, check for errors?
[23:39] <zetheroo> also just noticed that the top panel is no longer editable ... why can't I add my menu applet back!?
[23:40] <jdahm> escott: for fun: http://pastie.org/1845281
[23:40] <zvacet> zrogg: you can see how it look here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features
[23:40] <entity> step21: how the filesystem won't mount.
[23:40] <zookalicious> zrogg - there is a guide here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/natty/ if your desktop doesn't have the things mentioned in this guide then there might be a problem
[23:40] <zetheroo> ohsix: yep, and it seems Ubuntu us heading towards lockdown  .... like MS and Mac :P
[23:40] <usr13> pumeust: sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[23:40] <TerryBook> hmm.  xchat no longer shows in the system tray despite having the option set
[23:40] <yofel> pumeust: the 'flashplugin-installer' provides the flash player
[23:40] <step21> zetheroo, because it's a whole new program ... if you need your menu you have to use gnome afaik
[23:41] <entity> step21: i get "Ubuntu 10.10 The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present..." upon boot. after that it says the same thing about /tmp
[23:41] <MarkSS> Where do I find the old application gnome list in Unity or something similar?
[23:41] <pumeust> thanks usr13  and yofel
[23:41] <zorlem> zetheroo, that's only for the basic users
[23:41] <jdahm> zetheroo: how so?
[23:41] <step21> zetheroo, i don't think so... then you couldn't switch what you always can on linux
[23:41] <zorlem> zetheroo, only the default experience
[23:41] <zetheroo> zorlem: what?
[23:41] <usr13> zorlem: As you can see, there are choices.
[23:41] <zorlem> zetheroo, nobody prevents you from running Gnome, or XFce
[23:41] <riclas> so... i upgraded to natty, and now i can't install fglrx
[23:42] <zorlem> zetheroo, or KDE
[23:42] <zetheroo> zorlem: great ....
[23:42] <riclas> or better, i can, but it doesn't boot :\
[23:42] <usr13> pumeust: As you can see, there are choices.
[23:42] <ohsix> zetheroo: you've been told your options, you disagree; apparently with how it used to be as well, not just hoe it is now
[23:42] <step21> entity, I would boot from livecd and check the disk from there (without mounting) did you do an upgrade or so right before?
[23:42] <riclas> anyone had a similar experience?
[23:42] <zrogg> zookalicious: yeah, my desktop doesn't look like that at all. It seems like I'm running my old gnome just without any menus, sidebars or anything :/ Would a screenie of my desktop help ?
[23:42] <zetheroo> zorlem: none of those are "Ubuntu"  - and that was my point!
[23:42] <zookalicious> zrogg - tried logging in and out? or restarting?
[23:43] <zetheroo> ohsix: excuse me? What are you on about?
[23:43] <yofel> zetheroo: point is that complaining *here* will change absolutely nothing, either raise your point to the ayatana team or remote participate on the ubuntu developer summit
[23:43] <zatan> hi again, is there anyway to stop automaticaly maximize windows on unity? as at the moment they maximize when i moving them by the nome-panel
[23:43] <zrogg> zookalicious: yup, doesn't seem to help
[23:43] <Drumm96> My dpkg --configure -a produced no output. On reboot, I am still presented with a flashing underline.
[23:43] <dugger5688> more people need to go the cd-upgrade route. :-( running package updates is painful right now.
[23:43] <Jway> after natty upgrade from lucid my network card says "link is not ready" in dmesg... I cannot enable it in any way, suggestions?
[23:43] <pumeust> usr13, i was installing flashplugin-installer with synaptics and it was gonna take like over 15 minutes and i thought something was wrong with that and maybe i should try something else
[23:43] <Jway> intel agn4965
[23:43] <step21> zetheroo, he's right, this is for support primarily
[23:43] <entity> step21: yes, I was running 10.10 and I upgraded with update-manager -d
[23:44] <zetheroo> ohsix: you don't find it at all frustrating that an completely un-configurable menu/panel/launcher are given in place of what was completely customisable!?
[23:44] <Lunar_Lamp> dugger5688: I've noticed that GB mirrors are very slow, but switching to a different geographic location improved things vastly. (for me, I just dropped the geograpy)
[23:44] <zetheroo> step21: so support ... ;)
[23:44] <step21> zetheroo, take it somewhere else plz ...
[23:44] <zorlem> zetheroo, $aptitude search ^xfce4$
[23:44] <zorlem> p   xfce4                                                                                - Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment
[23:44] <usr13> pumeust: Well, with so many doing a distribution upgrade now installing from repos will be slow.
[23:44] <zorlem> this is plain Ubuntu
[23:44] <zookalicious> zrogg - thats odd
[23:45] <usr13> pumeust: They are all overloaded today.
[23:45] <zetheroo> zorlem: I do not WANT to run XFCE!!
[23:45] <zorlem> zetheroo, then don't
[23:45] <zookalicious> zrogg - Sorry I'm not too sure what to advise, I haven't started using 11.04 yet, I just know what it's supposed to look like
[23:45] <zorlem> zetheroo, it's just an example
[23:45] <Jway> tried modprobing iwlagn, rfkill, nothing makes the wireless work. Works fine in windows on same computer
[23:45] <zorlem> zetheroo, that what you're saying is not true - there is no lockdown
[23:45] <epkugelmass> The upgrade to natty seems to have broken nautilus. is this a known issue?
[23:46] <pumeust> usr13,  oh so thats all it was
[23:46] <zrogg> zookalicious: that's allright. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep chipping away at the problem.
[23:46] <escott> jdahm, thats a lot of ram
[23:46] <step21> entity, it's hard to tell what went wrong, did it mention any errors before reboot? otherwise try to boot from livecd or rescue mode and check the disk (it doesn't have to be mounted)
[23:46] <zvacet> riclas: no I installed it by click on applications and find it under system>additional hardware drivers
[23:46] <usr13> Jway: What wireless card do you have?
[23:46] <zookalicious> zrogg-  Best of luck
[23:46] <jrib> SpaceBass: back
[23:46] <Jway> usr13, intel agn4965
[23:46] <zetheroo> zorlem: to the extent that I want to configure - yes
[23:46] <step21> zetheroo, then what's wrong w normal gnome?
[23:46] <ohsix> zetheroo: you said you didn't want to use the classic session, which has panels and is the same as before
[23:47] <Osmodivs> The NickServ does NOT recognize my password!!
[23:47] <Drumm96> My dpkg --configure -a produced no output. On reboot, I am still presented with a flashing underline.
[23:47] <zetheroo> step21: 90% of the reason I upgraded in the first place was to get to use the new look .... why bother mmoving from 10.10!?
[23:47] <rcmaehl_rant> Why doesn't flash work in 11.04?
[23:47] <step21> Osmodivs, - #freenode
[23:47] <riclas> zvacet, i tried that... but it errors out :(
[23:47] <usr13> Jway: Well that one should work ok.  Is it turned off? Or has the network manager have it dissabled somehow?
[23:48] <Eathuz> Hey!
[23:48] <zetheroo> ohsix: absolutely correct ... as that is NOT a solution to the real issue ... that there is a lack of customisability HERE!
[23:48] <ohsix> zetheroo: why bother indeed, shouldn't you have asked yourself that before you did it?
[23:48] <skulltip> locked in? if developers would write BF4 for it like they do with the current pc platforms, it would be worth it
[23:48] <ohsix> zetheroo: that is desired, use what you like
[23:48] <george_> Anyone?
[23:48] <entity> step21: I selected the top ubuntu entry from the bootmenu, and the ubuntu loading screen came on like normal with the four dots animation, but instead of loading like normal, it displays this: "Ubuntu 10.10 The diskdrive for / is not ready yet or is not present [...]"
[23:48] <step21> zetheroo, oh so you upgraded and it doesn't work? I though you just didn't like/want it...
[23:48] <pumeust> rcmaehl_rant, i wondered if something was wrong with flash too but looks like i just needed to install it i'm doing that now
[23:48] <|Seth|> george_ what was your question
[23:48] <|Seth|> george_ I can't answer it but repeat it anyway
[23:48] <zetheroo> ohsix: Oh, I am sorry ... I did not get the memo from Canonical about that ...
[23:48] <rcmaehl_rant> pumeust: it will error out
[23:49] <Jway> usr13, actually it has been a problem since the last dist upgrade, I always had to right click the icon to enable the wireless and then it would connect. Now I have to rfkill to un-gray the "enable wireless" item in the right click menu but clicking it makes no networks show and dmesg still says link is not ready. Tried removing battery, holding power button for 30 seconds and booting up again,
[23:49] <Jway> same problem. Windows is fine.
[23:49] <entity> which automatically means it did not finish upgrading to 11.04
[23:49] <step21> entity, yes, but I meant before when you ran the upgrade
[23:49] <pumeust> rcmaehl_rant, oh i see i hope i dont run into that problem
[23:49] <george_> Seth: Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks.
[23:49] <cdavis> Is Google Chrome working on Natty? I get an error when trying to install the .deb
[23:49] <zetheroo> step21: yes I upgraded ... and it all works ... afaik ... but it "working" is not the issue I suppose ...
[23:49] <Samsagax> cdavis: still there is a problem with 32bit libs
[23:49] <|Seth|> george_ yeah, no idea. when in doubt, google it
[23:50] <jiohdi> cdavis: did you try via the app store
[23:50] <epkugelmass> After upgrading from maverik to natty, nautilus is unusably slow. Using classic gnome. Any takers?
[23:50] <ohsix> zetheroo: you presume you would have? you're setting up a strawman you know; you could have provided useful input for months, but you're here now, when you can just use what you're familiar with
[23:50] <Eathuz> I got a question: I loaded Ubuntu 11 on a USB. It works fine when booting from it on my MacBook Pro, but I for some reason get "Boot Error" everytime I boot it on my ASUS P5N-D. Any ideas or suggestions? I've googled it and I can't seem to find a solution.
[23:50] <entity> step21: I wasn't here to see what would have went wrong with it. I'll try a disk check from live env and get back
[23:50] <|Seth|> george_ or repeat it a few times until someone smarter takes notice
[23:50] <cdavis> jiohdi: I didn't know it was in local repos, I will try
[23:50] <pumeust> wow i got 3 hours 57 minutes remaining to finish installing flash
[23:50] <george_> Seth: Sure... Thanks, anyway...
[23:50] <usr13> Jway:  You might try switching to wicd
[23:50] <cdavis> Samsagax: I need 64 bit version
[23:50] <goshawk> hi, do i have shortcuts in bashee from the desktop ? like i want to skip a song while browsing
[23:50] <jiohdi> cdavis: 32 bit will work just fine
[23:50] <jmweirick> Hi, i need help with grub on 11.04, any takers?
[23:50] <Jway> usr13, thanks I will try
[23:50] <usr13> Jway: sudo apt-get install wicd ; sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[23:50] <zetheroo> step21: the buttons in the launcher are too big, they need a hover feature and need to animate when clicked on ... stuff liek that ... plus the menu is making we work twice as hard to get to what I need ... more clicks etc ... not cool
[23:51] <jiohdi> cdavis: 32 will run on 64 but 64 will not run on 32
[23:51] <epkugelmass> Hi. Any word on why compiz-config won't fully import old configuration files, and why it wipes my config when upgrading?
[23:51] <Eathuz> I don't want to repeat my question, since it seems rude, but I'm kinda stuck and would really like some help :)
[23:51] <Jway> brb, reboot
[23:51] <uofm49426> can i do this in 10.10 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/intel-graphics-performance-guide-for-ubuntu-904-jaunty-users.html
[23:51] <usr13> !grub2 | jmweirick
[23:52] <bcurren> i have a partition that i'm consistently getting an EIO error. i there a tool that will help my diagnose the problem?
[23:52] <jrib> !helpme | Eathuz
[23:52] <jdahm> escott: I like it :)  It's for computational physics simulations
[23:52] <zetheroo> ohsix: I am sorry again ... I work 9-5 mon - fri .... don't have a whole lot of time to test software and all ... I just thought that with the past of Ubuntu (and Linux) being so pro-customisability that I would never find myself here
[23:52] <sfdsafdsafdsa> Today I was trying Natty so ..Do you think Natty 11.04 (Unity) will be the Vista phase of Ubuntu ? I mean Vista as in Windows Vista
[23:52] <syntaur> Is there any way to resume the upgrade process? My keyboard was on my ubuntu laptop here, and I forgot. I hit escape and the upgrade status window went away. I go back into the update manager and it says there's no updates or upgrade.
[23:52] <Eathuz> !repeat
[23:52] <ohsix> zetheroo: unfortunately you can't go back in time and communicate this
[23:52] <SpaceBass> jrib, thanks for the help so far! apparently one of the last runs of dpkg or apt-get broke something worse. Can't get a shell anymore. Going to reinstall base system. data is on raid anyway
[23:52] <pp7_> !repeat
[23:52] <Galerien> Hi ! I'm on ubuntu 11.04 Beta (1 or 2) and I want to install the new release, how can I do that ?
[23:53] <ohsix> zetheroo: well it's not "anti" either, idon't know why you are here
[23:53] <yofel> sfdsafdsafdsa: that's something for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:53] <Galerien> please*
[23:53] <Drumm96> Tried update to 1104. System crash at about 99%. I have run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get autoremove, dpkg --configure -a. I am unable to boot into normal mode, when I do. I am greeted by a flashing underscore. I am currently in failsafe mode
[23:53] <pp7_> !attitude
[23:53] <Samsagax> Galerien: go to releases.ubuntu.com
[23:53] <jiohdi> Galerien: it will do it for you just do update and upgrade
[23:53] <zetheroo> ohsix: what is unfortunate is the lack of customisability ...
[23:53] <Eathuz> I got a question: I loaded Ubuntu 11 on a USB. It works fine when booting from it on my MacBook Pro, but I for some reason get "Boot Error" everytime I boot it on my ASUS P5N-D. Any ideas or suggestions? I've googled it and I can't seem to find a solution.
[23:53] <yofel> !final | Galerien
[23:53] <ohsix> zetheroo: you know even gnomes panel isn'e enough to sate a lot of people? i hope you understand it's all relative & the line you've drawn is just as arbitrary
[23:53] <jdahm> Drumm96: clean installs always work better than upgrades
[23:53] <Samsagax> Galerien: and use the bit torrent, others are just jammed
[23:53] <jdahm> Drumm96: if you upgrade, be used to having headaches
[23:54] <Drumm96> jdahm, headaches teach you new things. :)
[23:54] <zrogg> seems I fixed my no-menu-problem by running "compiz --replace"
[23:54] <yofel> jdahm: that's not the case usually, at least for me upgrades have always worked fine
[23:54] <ohsix> zetheroo: some would call that a good thing, myself included, but i run the machines for my family
[23:54] <zetheroo> ohsix: I came hoping that I just did not know enough and that someone knew how to edit this stuff ... I could not believe that it was completely locked-down ....
[23:54] <lexvegas> is there any difference in reliability between installing from the liveCD or using unetbootin and a USB drive?
[23:54] <Drumm96> jdahm, besides, this is my first issue in years.
[23:54] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips on how to toggle between front and back panel only?
[23:54] <jdahm> Drumm96: yofel just from experience, I have had to fix way too many friends' upgraded installations
[23:54] <ohsix> zetheroo: it's not, it's just different, the options for the unity plugin & the rest of compiza are available in ccsm
[23:55] <nastjuid> supposedly apt provides libapt-pkg-libc6, but if I get the package and look inside, it's not there?
[23:55] <yakitori3> irc.cde.wtbts.net
[23:55] <yofel> jdahm: *if* update-manager messed up the upgrade, please file bugs about that, it shouldn't happen
[23:55] <zookalicious> I can also attest to having problems with direct upgrades.
[23:55] <ohsix> zetheroo: the "panel" is nearly vestigial now, it serves no purpose like it did in gnome proper
[23:55] <Galerien> ok, thanks all, so it seems I'm up to date, but I get the same crash has before (beta) when I boot (I don't know what it is, just that something is crashing and that's it), does someone know how to get rid of that (I can provide you with informations if you tell me how ;) )
[23:55] <zetheroo> ohsix: ok ... why are they in a 3rd-party app? ...
[23:55] <rafii> my today upgrade maverick->natty was fine :D no problem :)
[23:55] <zetheroo> ohsix: where do I place my weather applet?
[23:55] <jdahm> yofel: most of the time it's because GPG keys were somehow deleted for PPA's
[23:56] <ohsix> zetheroo: isn't that that choice you were just talking about? i'm not sure what you're asking
[23:56] <zookalicious> rafii-  That's good to hear. I was just remarking that typically I find clean installations to be more reliable.
[23:56] <cdavis> I think natty is going to make me want to do more stuff in the console
[23:56] <ohsix> zetheroo: same place you did before, on the panel; whats in unity is not a panel
[23:56] <kdubois> cdavis: gui's are overrated anyways :)
[23:56] <jiohdi> Galerien: you can check whether you are at full upgrade in console type lsb_release -a
[23:56] <yofel> jdahm: missing GPG keys will only get you warnings, not errors, so that shouldn't mess up anything. Well, it will give you an occasional warning, true
[23:56] <zetheroo> ohsix: so your saying there IS a way to customise the menu system and launcher?
[23:56] <[dlp]> entity: What does /etc/fstab say?
[23:56] <cdavis> kdubois: so true
[23:56] <pp7_> kdubois: +1 :)
[23:57] <ohsix> zetheroo: you'll really be boned w/gnome-shell, enjoy what you have now
[23:57] <joepa> in natty/unity (unatty?), apps aren't staying pinned to the Launch (i.e., I r_click, Keep in Launcher, logout, login, and it's gone)
[23:57] <joepa> any ideas?
[23:57] <Galerien> jiohdi: ok, I can't see any mentions of beta or rc, is that it ?
[23:57] <Drumm96> Okay. So this may be a video drivers issue. lsb_release -a says I'm 11.04
[23:57] <Eathuz> I got a question: I loaded Ubuntu 11 on a USB. It works fine when booting from it on my MacBook Pro, but I for some reason get "Boot Error" everytime I boot it on my ASUS P5N-D. Any ideas or suggestions? I've googled it and I can't seem to find a solution.
[23:57] <zetheroo> ohsix: I did not think there was anythign too wrong with Gnome-shell ...
[23:57] <jiohdi> Galerien: thats it
[23:57] <ohsix> zetheroo: i'm not saying that; i'm saying you want a panel; use the session with a  panel
[23:57] <zetheroo> ohsix: you said there was something in ccsm
[23:57] <pp7_> mmm 12hrs till my upgrade completes :P
[23:58] <Sylphid> Eathuz, using the mac optimized image maybe
[23:58] <ohsix> zetheroo: not what you are asking, it is not a panel, i said what settings there _are_, some are available there
[23:58] <entity> [dlp]: I'm on a different machine... I'll type it into a pastebin and get back
[23:58] <Galerien> jiohdi: so, why do I get a crash warning when I boot ? It did that on the beta 1, but I wouldn't expect it to append on the final one.... Or can that be gnome 3 (which works perfectly)
[23:58] <Eathuz> Sylphid, tried downloading it and building the USB both from Mac and Windows.
[23:59] <zetheroo> ohsix: yeah ok ... the panel is not my main concern ... the main things are the launcher and menu
[23:59] <ohsix> zetheroo: so the panel, noted
[23:59] <jiohdi> Galerien: 6months to get everything right might seem like a long time, but trust me you will get a flurry of updates and upgrades in the next couple of months
[23:59] <zetheroo> ohsix: panel is not a biggy ...
[23:59] <jdahm> ok well I should head out


[00:38] <litit> exit
[00:38] <litit> cc
[05:21] <JohnTalent> hi
[09:16] <dsenator> noo sound in ubsuntu studio
[09:16] <dsenator> I need help... just installed studio and no saound from speakers
[09:17] <cfhowlett> !sound
[11:55] <ianhaver> Hi, Im Ian. I have been using Ubuntu for years and years for my music. I tweeked and built my own kernels. If only i knew this distro was available earlier :).
[12:53] <Synthman> hello, can anyone advise me where the setting is to alter the size of the border around the window, Making windows larger or smaller is tricky as you need to get your pointer just in the right place before you can resize a window
[18:43] <studio-user921> ls
[22:30] <dsenator> help please... installed studio but no sounds coming from speakers
[22:36] <dsenator> help please... installed studio but no sounds coming from speakers


[11:03] <rgl> hi.
[11:04] <rgl> how do I install sun-java6-jre in hardy?    here its failing with dependency problems prevent configuration of sun-java6-jre :-(
[16:45] <siretart> I'm trying to fix batik to build in ubuntu
[16:46] <siretart> the package seems to expect to be build with jdk 1.4, which does not seem easy on the ubuntu autobuilders
[16:46] <siretart> I've therefore tried to build it against 1.6, by adding /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun to JAVA_HOME_DIRS
[16:46] <siretart> which which didn't work out
[16:46] <siretart> see here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15266499/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.batik_1.6-3ubuntu1%7Eppa1%7Ehardy1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:47] <siretart> the package is available in my ppa, if someone could fix it to build, that would be marvelous!
[16:48] <man-di> siretart: the only possible solution is probably tp update the package to 1.7
[16:59] <siretart> hm. do you feel like doing that? :)
[17:08] <man-di> unlikely currently
[17:09] <man-di> siretart: Vincent Fourmond started on it but he is missing in action afaik
[23:07] <reinhold> Apparently, the sun java compiler (from ubuntu packages) does not load the jar files that other packages install in /usr/shar/java... How can I make it load them???