[00:24] <SuperLag> on 19.04, I'm being asked for a password to refresh the system repos. Is there a way to remove this requirement? Are there any negative security ramifications to doing so?
[00:25] <coz_> SuperLag, I would leave it alone,, why do you want to remove it?
[00:25] <SuperLag> coz_: because it's a nuisance
[00:25] <kadiro> lol
[00:26] <kadiro> No it is not
[00:26] <coz_> SuperLag,  well it is also secure for your sake
[00:26] <SuperLag> I beg to differ.
[00:26] <SuperLag> refreshing repos *alone* shouldn't require a passowrd
[00:26] <SuperLag> installing packages... that's another matter entirely
[00:27] <coz_> SuperLag, but the repos house the software packages
[00:27] <SuperLag> yes but you already have to enter a password to install new packages, why add *ANOTHER*?
[00:27] <SuperLag> that's a PITA
[00:28] <gabkdlly> Don't the repos get updated in the background once a day anyway ?  If not, you can make a cron job for that.
[00:28] <coz_> SuperLag,  unless your password is very long, is it reallt that troublesome?
[00:28] <kadiro> SuperLag> you seems to know better than the ubuntu devs, good luck
[00:28] <bindi> sudo apt update, sudo apt upgrade, only asks for password once
[00:29] <SuperLag> coz_: if I'm busy doing something, and get interupted with a dialog box to enter a password to refresh system repos... yes, that's a nuisance
[00:29] <coz_> sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[00:29] <SuperLag> whatever option it is that make that happen seems to be enabled out of the box
[00:30] <SuperLag> makes, that is
[00:30] <coz_> dist-upgrade does not install a newer version by the way
[00:30] <coz_> of the OS
[00:30] <SuperLag> right, that's do-release-upgrade, is it not?
[00:30] <coz_> something like that
[00:54] <ZPQ> SuperLag: do-release-upgrade upgrades your OS but I would not recomend it without full backup
[00:54] <ZPQ> SuperLag: it can bork your Ubuntu
[01:21] <thatlizdude> has anyone ever gotten Ubuntu gnome to scale to 125% or 150%? I can't use it at 100% or 200%, I use Windows at 125%, so it would be great if gnome allowed me to do that too
[01:24] <OerHeks> that would be the great update in 19.04, fractional scaling support https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes
[01:24] <OerHeks> 18.04 gives 100%-200%
[01:24] <Bashing-om> thatlizdude: ^^ : https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/04/how-to-enable-hidpi-fractional-scaling.html
[01:24] <thatlizdude> yesss I need that
[01:24] <thatlizdude> and should I use Wayland or Xorg?
[01:25] <thatlizdude> I know I've had an issue on gnome with Xorg where if I scrolled in a window that was placed over Chrome or VS Code, then the scrolling amount applied to Chrome and VS Code too
[01:26] <Bashing-om> thatlizdude: 19.04 supports both protocols.
[01:26] <OerHeks> but 19.04 already has that feature
[01:26] <thatlizdude> Bashing-om: yeah it's just that I honestly don't know anything about them so I'd use Wayland because it doesn't have the issue that I was experiencing, but is there a reason to choose one over another?
[01:27] <OerHeks> if you have nvidia, there are no prop drivers for wayland.. yet
[01:27] <thatlizdude> on this laptop it's just integrated
[01:27] <Bashing-om> thatlizdude: Depends on your use case and work flow, I find Wayland smoother and faster than X11 on my old hardware.
[01:28] <thatlizdude> is Wayland supposed to replace X11?
[01:28] <Bashing-om> thatlizdude: That is the end goal to have Wayland as the default :)
[01:29] <OerHeks> Mir actually
[01:29] <thatlizdude> then yeah I'll try and use that, though I was planning on getting a laptop that will have an Nvidia card, so would you recommend switching to integrated (since I won't be doing any graphic intensive work on Ubuntu) or go with X11?
[01:31] <Sir_Andrei> Hi people
[01:31] <Sir_Andrei> People, I have a question.
[01:31] <Sir_Andrei> I have two computers with Lubuntu 18.04.2 installed (I'm using i3 as WM in both computers).
[01:32] <Sir_Andrei> And I wanna use my second computer as a second monitor, is that possible?
[01:35] <escalant3> I have a desktop computer running Ubuntu 19.04. I use a really shitty usb-dongle for wifi connection. It uses the rtl8812au chipset. The problem is that when coming back from suspension the system is unable to reconnect. I need to reinstall the module (rmmod/modprobe) every single time. Is there a way I can contribute to help getting this fixed?
[01:38] <darksam> Sir_Andrei: If you want to use the same mouse and keyboard to control both computers and they are on the same network you can use x2x.
[01:48] <thatlizdude> thanks guys! :)
[01:53] <Dreaman> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/q5x946Nrnw/   cool install
[01:58] <DoctorMilwaukee> how do I change the prompt to universally display something different?
[01:58] <DoctorMilwaukee> PS1 I'm referring to
[02:00] <Sir_Andrei> Thx darksam, I'm trying it C:
[02:07] <Bashing-om> DoctorMilwaukee: See the comments in ' grep "prompt" .bashrc ' .
[02:10] <Sir_Andrei> darksam, works like a charm, thx :D
[02:10] <SorcererBoom> Hey, is there anyone way to change PS1 globally?
[02:12] <kadiro> SorcererBoom> beter to ask in #bash
[02:20] <TikityTik> how can I get the newest version of node.js on 18.04 ubuntu? I didn't see anything newer on snap
[02:20] <TikityTik> err wait...
[02:21] <TikityTik> i was mistaken
[02:34] <kadiro> Is eagle need a ppa to install it?
[03:08] <ZPQ> kadiro: no but it may be a older version in the repos (Eagle CAD)
[03:09] <kadiro> ZPQ> when using apt install it doesn't show up
[03:10] <ZPQ> kadiro: it exist in 16.04 but I dont know about newer ubuntu
[03:10] <kadiro> ok thanks ZPQ
[03:11] <ZPQ> kadiro: check if you can find it in synaptic
[03:17] <ZPQ> kadiro: it looks like I have i386 version installed.. wierd
[03:18] <kadiro> ZPQ> I have all enabled from my source.list ( universe, multiverse, .. ) but it is still not there, weird, or may be it is not open sourced
[03:18] <ZPQ> kadiro: http://i.imgur.com/JEjapwn.png
[03:19] <kadiro> ZPQ> any other equivalent to eagle or easyeda?
[03:21] <ZPQ> kadiro: Pcb designer, KiCAD and Fritzing?
[03:22] <kadiro> ZPQ> thanks i will check those out
[03:24] <ZPQ> kadiro: and qeda
[03:24] <ZPQ> kadiro: np
[06:00] <Lap64> hello all
[06:00] <Lap64> I am using Kubuntu
[06:01] <Lap64> The laptop I have is having two graphics cards 1 is intel and the other one is ATI
[06:01] <Lap64> when I look for which ATI card I have I get this
[06:01] <Lap64> 01:00.0 Display controller [0380]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M440/M445] [1002:6900] (rev c3
[06:02] <Lap64> how can I identify the driver for my card ?
[06:09] <fengapapi> try the ubuntu-drivers package. cmd: ubuntu-drivers devices
[06:10] <fengapapi> or maybe that is for nvidia only. Not I'm not so sure.
[06:13] <fengapapi> did you check through Software and updates, under the Proprietary drivers tab?
[06:19] <simon3334> .
[06:32] <nikolam> Hi, I am on 18.10 (because on 19.04 I have ICH7 sound problems with constant cracks) and I have a problem on 18.10, that LAN (wired) Network adapter does not come back alive and configured after bringing machine back from the standby.
[06:33] <nikolam> And that is the problem because I am sharing internet connection from Xubuntu to LAN over one of two wired LAN adapters.
[06:34] <nikolam> So wireless comes back, wired lan stays unconfigured after returning from standby
[06:35] <nikolam> it's Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 20) times 2
[06:47] <nikolam> It's Asus P5W DH Deluxe motherboard, with Marvell 88E8053 LAN Network adapters, that doesn't come back configured after standby on 18.10
[06:53] <nikolam> so actually LAN adapter is there, but networking does not comes up for it, it's set as static V4 IP..
[07:30] <VHL_Necr0> hallo
[07:30] <VHL_Necr0> hallo
[07:46] <Sveta> nikolam: does it work if you bring it up by hand, or it does not work at all?
[07:47] <Tankburn> hey there I have issues with my sounds devices atm. Can anyone help me? If I check sudo aplay -l it shows my NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 1] + 3 other devices of the same type, but I cant find them in my Audio settings under output, also I cannot pair my audio headset via bluettoth, yet my controller pairs no issue. I feel like ubuntu wont let me add any new audio devices.
[07:48] <Tankburn> any ideads?
[07:48] <nikolam> hi Sveta I tried turning off networking and turn it on again, and wireless comes up and configures (also static IP) but wired LAN does not. If that qualifies as tried manually to bring it up, then yes.
[07:50] <nikolam> also tried with ifconfig up and changing Link negotiation to Automatic in Network conenction settings and nothing helps
[07:50] <nikolam> I bet this is the problem with networking, coupled with driver problem for LAN
[07:51] <nikolam> I have'n/t been using standby on 18.04, but I could try and see if it is new behavior for 18.10 and later (I have BTRFS snapshots)
[07:54] <Tankburn> Also I read in the documentation to check that the sound card was detected properly run the sudo lspci command... and there it is...
[07:54] <Tankburn>  Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GP106 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
[07:55] <afidegnum> anyone familiar with Sed? i m stuck in the middle
[07:57] <Ben64> afidegnum: best to just ask the actual question
[07:59] <afidegnum> I m trying to remove the first enclosure of php file, and leave the rest out. i.e  <?php bla bla bla ?> <?php other codes .... this is what i have come up with find . -type f -name "*.php" -exec sed 's/<?php/''/g' {} \; but it only removes <?php
[08:05] <Tankburn> update. Changed back to HDMI > HDMI and my sound works
[08:05] <Tankburn> from my card
[08:05] <Synaptic> hello
[08:05] <Tankburn> I previously had DisplayPort > HDMI plug
[08:05] <Synaptic> i have a problem with bluetooth,  it says  device not found
[08:28] <Tankburn> Fixed my bluetooth issue also
[08:29] <Tankburn> installed bluez-tools
[08:29] <Tankburn> bt-device -l
[08:30] <Tankburn> found the known device and did bt-device -r on the MAC address
[08:30] <Tankburn> re-paired and it worked
[08:31] <Jonta> :D
[08:49] <gofio> with Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS what's the way to move several files from one folder to another all at once?
[08:50] <TimeDoctor> gofio: gui or command line?
[08:50] <Jonta> gofio:       mv *jpg ~/mynewfolder       for example?
[08:50] <gofio> TimeDoctor: gui
[08:51] <Jonta> Open both folders, mark the files you want, drag them over?
[08:51] <gofio> Jonta: more drag and drop kinda thing
[08:52] <gofio> Jonta: yes but with "administrador de archivos", file manager I guess, it does not pick more than one at a time
[08:53] <gofio> it does with Dolphin, but dolphin does not recognize the samsung android it's plugged via usb, but file manager does
[08:53] <gofio> so I'm moving them, like 50, one by one
[08:53] <Jonta> Does it work in CLI?
[08:54] <gofio> question is what will take longer, finish the 50 files one by one or ask here
[08:54] <gofio> Jonta: the 50 files?
[08:55] <Jonta> Yes
[08:56] <gofio> Jonta: I'm on a desktop, seriously do I have to use the command line for this?
[08:56] <Jonta> I don't know. It seems weird that you'd only be allowed to move one file at a time
[08:56] <Jonta> My guess is you're not that familiar with the command line? :)
[08:57] <Tankburn> yeah you can usually do a control + a to select all just like you can in Windows
[08:57] <Tankburn> with most file browsers
[08:57] <gofio> what a great move by windows
[08:58] <Tankburn> hmmm I think you misunderstood me
[08:59] <Tankburn> I use the default file manager in Ubuntu and it worked fine
[08:59] <gofio> k, already found by myself. Thanks :)
[08:59] <Tankburn> no worries :)
[08:59] <elias_a> Jonta: Open the folder, select all files by pressing CTRL-A, use 2nd mousebutton to open menu and select Move to (or whatever it is called in English UI) ...
[09:00] <elias_a> Sorry - that was for gofio...
[09:00] <Tankburn> can you still get wine for Ubuntu 18.04?
[09:01] <gofio> and yes, it can be done. No CLI. Thanks good
[09:01] <Jonta> gofio: How did you do it?
[09:02] <gofio> elias_a: had in detail-list form whatever the word in engish, my system is in spanish, and could not do that that way
[09:02] <gofio> Jonta: honestly could not really tell for sure
[09:03] <Jonta> Hm. Well. I'd recommend getting at least some familiarity with the commandline. It's scary at first, but you can get the basics rather quickly
[09:03] <gofio> Jonta: not familiar with cli nor ubuntu and linux altogether
[09:04] <Jonta> No time like the present :)
[09:04] <gofio> that's what it is
[09:05] <Lachezar> Hey all. I am trying to VSync on my laptop, having Intel HD 620.
[09:06] <gofio> when was on ubuntu 17.10 if I left the samsung android plugged, the system would not reboot. Looks like it's an old story
[09:06] <Jonta> Lachezar: What happens?
[09:07] <Lachezar> Jonta: Nothing yet. I don't know how to do that.
[09:08] <Lachezar> To start with: I have no xorg.conf at all...
[09:08] <Jonta> Hm. Don't you just need to create one in that case?
[09:10] <Lachezar> Jonta: My experience with putting xorg.conf is that a blank one would just not boot. Or that I'll need to have two confs to switch when I want to use the 3D Accelerator...
[09:11] <Lachezar> Jonta: So I'd like to avoid generating one, and if possible supply 'hints' or some equivalent technique, to add a "Option" "TearFree" to the i915 driver (somehow).
[09:12] <Jonta> Aren't there example xorg.confs available? Or something that generates it? Or you could create a blank one, reboot, and if that doesn't work, remove it from tty. If you're familiar with tty
[09:13] <Lachezar> Jonta: Yeah, if I put a blank xorg.conf, it won't boot Graphics, and I have to remove it (from Recovery).
[09:14] <Jonta> One of the 1st options then
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> Jonta Lachezar if its not a special case, you should not have to config xorg anymore these days to make graphics work
[09:14] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: That's what I was thinking, but I have tearing, and would like to enable VSync.
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: ubuntu version? graphic card chipset and driver version please?
[09:15] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: Scrolling in Firefox for instance is unghly.
[09:16] <Lachezar> Xubuntu 19.04, Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620 (rev 02) + NVIDIA Corporation GM108GLM [Quadro M520 Mobile] (rev a2)
[09:17] <Lachezar> Also external HDMI monitor.
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: check ubuntu-drivers list, to see wich drivers available please
[09:19] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: There are nvidia-driver-390 and nvidia-driver-418, but I'd rather not.
[09:19] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: 'ubuntu-drivers list --free-only' is empty
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: ok, now check: sudo lshw -C video if driver= at bottom is loaded?
[09:20] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: No driver lines
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: if ontop your card says unclaimed, it means no driver is loaded correctly, hence the tearing
[09:21] <Lachezar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mb3HsCT4BP/
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: ok, try to install the 390 please
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: (if) apt spits out errors, please pastebin the whole output before reboot
[09:22] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: Ah. No. No more nvidia drivers please. Want to keep using free drivers. I'm sick of that nvidia shyte.
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: do you know if your card is an optimus?
[09:23] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: I'm pretty sure it is not in this laptop "Lenovo P51s"
[09:24] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: I'd like to keep running the Intel chip only.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: seems it is, Features	Optimus
[09:25] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: My previous T530 had Optimus options in the BIOS, this one does not.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: so for optimus cards its reccomended you install the nvidia driver, so you can start switching from performance mode(nvidia) to powersaving mode(intel)
[09:26] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: If I see that properly I could switch to UMA Mode (whatever that means) to turn the NVidia off.
[09:27]  * Lachezar is going to reboot. Be back.
[09:32]  * Lachezar waves back
[09:33] <Lachezar> No success. This model does not seem to have a way to disable the NVidia GPU
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: what did you do exactly?
[09:33] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: Reboot, enter BIOS, check for Optimus or UMA options. Found none.
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: you did not listen to what i said
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: optimus cards need the nvidia driver installed to be able to switch cards
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: and even if you dont want to install nvidia, your card is unclaimed, meaning also nouveau is not active
[09:36] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: T530 had a BIOS option to switch to either one from BIOS, not from driver.
[09:36] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: Yes, No nouveau, No nvidia drivers.
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: are you choosing to not use any drivers?
[09:36] <Lachezar> I don't want to switch to nVidia. I want to turn the nVidia off if possible.
[09:37] <Lachezar> I want to keep using intel's GPU-on-CPU
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: to use intel, you need to install the nvidia driver first
[09:39] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: Hopefuly no. 'Cause I *am* running without nVidia drivers *NOW*. And I'd like to keep those off my laptop.
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: ok..good luck
[09:39] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: I *do* have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed, but it's... Eh... Sub-par.
[09:40] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: I'd like to know if there is a way to supply an "Options" line to the i915 driver.
[09:41] <Lachezar> lotuspsychje: hopefully without needing to completely write a xorg.conf
[09:42] <Lachezar> If not, then I'll keep working with screen tearing, regrettable, but better than the alternative.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: please dont use this channel to rant
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Lachezar: only ubuntu support questions
[09:43] <Lachezar> No rant. Just a question: How do I add the "Option" "TearFree" to xorg.conf without a full-blown xorg.conf.
[09:44] <Lachezar> Like... Can I create a xorg.conf.d/intel-tear-free.conf ot something of the sort?
[09:44] <TJ-> Lachezar: does "xrandr --verbose" or "xrandr --listproviders" give any insight - usually on these low/high power GPU configs one of them is the port driver
[09:44] <TJ-> Lachezar: you can add fragments into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.f/
[09:45] <TJ-> Lachezar: see "man xorg.conf"
[09:45] <TJ-> grrr, typo. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[09:47] <Lachezar> TJ-: "xrandr --verbose" gives mode sets for both screens (Laptop LCD and the HDMI monitor)
[09:47] <AssociateX> Are there any humans here?
[09:47] <Lachezar> TJ-: "xrandr --listproviders" seems to point to one provider "name:modesetting"
[09:47] <AssociateX> I'm having trouble with grub and or uefi and booting.
[09:48] <TJ-> Lachezar: OK, no help there then
[09:48] <TJ-> !ask | AssociateX
[09:49] <AssociateX> TJ-: I did ask to ask a question.
[09:49] <AssociateX> not*
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: elaborate 'trouble' please
[09:50] <Lachezar> TJ-: Now that you mentioned that I think I found something that might help me: https://askubuntu.com/questions/418398/tear-free-disabled-in-intel-graphics-tearing-in-xubuntu#469653
[09:50] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje: the grub boot loader no longer loads up a boot.
[09:50] <AssociateX> at*
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: a bit more details please, your ubuntu version, singleboot/dualboot? uefi/legacy settings?
[09:51]  * Lachezar has a hunch that experimenting with the nvidia drivers has left nouveau permanently unavailable :(
[09:52] <AssociateX> I have a dell laptop with a dual boot setup.
[09:52] <AssociateX> uname -a
[09:52] <AssociateX> Linux kubuntu 4.18.0-15-generic #16~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 14:06:04 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:52] <TJ-> Lachezar: could be, check with "grep -rn nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/" - maybe there's a blacklist
[09:53] <Lachezar> TJ-: blacklist-nvidia-nouveau.conf:blacklist nouveau
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: your system is not up to date, did your install work before? when did your system stop to boot? what did you do?
[09:54] <AssociateX> https://pastebin.com/KzapS4wV
[09:54] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje: yes, it did work before.
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | AssociateX try this to get in
[09:55] <AssociateX> thank you
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: your GTX card shows nouveau loaded, its reccomended to use an nvidia driver from the ubuntu graphics ppa
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | AssociateX
[09:57] <piraye> hi
[09:57] <piraye> I wanted to upgrade into 18.04 ubuntu
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> piraye: from wich version?
[09:58] <piraye> but 16.04
[09:58] <piraye> do-release-upgrade
[09:58] <piraye> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[09:58] <piraye> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[09:58] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje: I'm on a liveUSB chrooted into my HD install doing updates right now.
[09:58]  * Lachezar has to reboot.
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> piraye: and did you?
[09:59] <piraye> whatI dont know how to install all available update
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | piraye
[09:59] <piraye> what?
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> read piraye
[10:00] <usualrise> Hi, I am facing issues connecting to wifi. No adapter found is the error message. Please help me setting up wifi on my ubuntu 18.04
[10:00] <piraye> ok
[10:00] <usualrise> I need to install realtek driver - RTL810xE
[10:01] <usualrise> Unable to find the site from where can I download the driver
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> usualrise: could you pastebin: sudo lshw -C network && uname -a
[10:04] <usualrise> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YynzsY9RRy/
[10:04] <usualrise> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X7pjFrrYCc/
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> usualrise: thats your ethernet card showing, is it possible you have wifi switched off, or disabled in bios?
[10:06] <usualrise> lotuspsychje: I am not sure. I need to check. But wifi option in  settings shows - "No adapter found"
[10:06] <Sveta> piraye: is it working now?
[10:07] <piraye> Sveta, still updating
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | piraye after your updates finished
[10:10] <usualrise> lotuspsychje: Wifi is not switched off
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> usualrise: did you check bios too?
[10:12] <usualrise> lotuspsychje: nope
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> usualrise: check please if you find any wifi related options
[10:16] <piraye> after running sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[10:16] <piraye> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-5/libmpx0_5.5.0-12ubuntu1~16.04_amd64.deb  Connection timed out
[10:16] <piraye> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gdb/gdbserver_8.2-0ubuntu1~16.04.1_amd64.deb  Connection timed out
[10:16] <piraye> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[10:18] <piraye> lotuspsychje, any idea please?
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> piraye: please use a pastebin and output the whole apt errors
[10:23] <piraye> lotuspsychje, https://paste2.org/2ch66vJv
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> piraye: its reccomended before an lts upgrade, you cleanout your system first from external ppa's & its packages
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | piraye
[10:24] <nikolam> Anyone has idea how to restart LAN wired networking after getting back from standby? Wireless card connects, LANs won't.
[10:24] <nikolam> All using static IPs..
[10:26] <blackflow> nikolam: how is the network configured? netplan? NM? networkd?
[10:26] <nikolam> What also connection priority of "-999" means? Connectiong automatically with priority 0" is iset on working wireless..
[10:26] <nikolam> blackflow, using GUI Network connections in Xubuntu 18.10
[10:29] <piraye> lotuspsychje, I dont understand should I remove all software I have
[10:29] <Sveta> piraye: this should not happen
[10:29] <Sveta> piraye: what error message do you get?
[10:30] <piraye> https://paste2.org/2ch66vJv
[10:31] <Sveta> piraye: did you add a third-party repository for ubuntu toolchain?
[10:31] <piraye> I dont understand how to cleanout the system form external ppa's &its packages
[10:31] <blackflow> nikolam: oh xubuntu... is that NetworkManager? Anyway, what I was aiming at, it should be automatic. Checked journal for any hints as to why the network wouldn't restart?
[10:31] <Sveta> piraye: it is specified in a file
[10:31] <piraye> sveta, yes I did
[10:31] <Sveta> piraye: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:31] <Sveta> piraye: and in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[10:31] <piraye> I dont remember
[10:32] <Sveta> piraye: you can edit these files and remove the ubuntu toolchain lines
[10:32] <piraye> please give me whole comand to remove them
[10:32] <piraye> *command
[10:32] <Sveta> piraye: grep -ir toolchain /etc/apt/sources*
[10:33] <Sveta> piraye: this will show you which files you need to edit
[10:33] <TJ-> nikolam: sounds like an ACPI suspend issue; possibly the NIC's phy layer hasn't beee awakened
[10:33] <piraye> grep -ir toolchain /etc/apt/sources*
[10:33] <piraye> grep -ir toolchain /etc/apt/sources*
[10:33] <piraye> then
[10:34] <TJ-> !ppa-purge | piraye
[10:34] <Sveta> piraye: yes, this command goes to your terminal
[10:34] <Sveta> TJ-: do you want to take over this conversation?
[10:34] <TJ-> Sveta: can do - you get some sleep :)
[10:34] <piraye> Sveta, I did
[10:34] <piraye> and give me the files
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:34] <Sveta> piraye: TJ- will help you
[10:34] <Sveta> piraye: I will leave, and TJ- will assist you from now on
[10:35] <piraye> ok
[10:35] <Sveta> TJ-: thank you
[10:35] <piraye> TJ!
[10:35] <Sveta> piraye: TJ- wants you to use a ppa-purge command instead of editing the file by hand
[10:35] <Sveta> piraye: see what ubottu said
[10:35] <piraye> https://paste2.org/3Ickx6U4
[10:35] <piraye> here whta I get
[10:37] <Sveta> piraye: the first thing is "sudo apt install ppa-purge"
[10:37] <Sveta> TJ-: can you please come?
[10:37] <piraye> it is already new version
[10:37] <Sveta> piraye: sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu
[10:37] <Sveta> piraye: try this. I am not an expert in this command, but it is my first guess
[10:38] <Sveta> TJ-: it is real time chat, they are waiting for your help
[10:38] <TJ-> piraye: please read and digest the instructions provided rather than firing off lots of messages;
[10:38] <nikolam> TJ-, one modprobe -r sky2 and modprobe sky2 bring both LAN adapter back pnline, configured. So yes, Suspend problem
[10:38] <piraye> Sveta, I run the first command
[10:39] <nikolam> Should I report it upon existing 18.10 or see first how it behaves on 19.04 and testing upon standby?
[10:39] <Sveta> piraye: then you can try the second one now
[10:39] <piraye> Sveta, Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: ubuntu-toolchain-r/test ubuntu
[10:39] <TJ-> nikolam: there's a workaround that could prevent that in the future. Read https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:39] <Sveta> piraye: sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[10:39] <Sveta> piraye: does that work?
[10:39] <Sveta> piraye: you can ask TJ- what is the second command, I am not 100% sure about it
[10:39] <nikolam> It is Marvell Yukon 88E8053
[10:40] <TJ-> piraye: try "sudo ppa-purge ubuntu-toolchain-r/test "
[10:40] <nikolam> Thanks TJ-
[10:40] <piraye> ok, working now not finished yet
[10:40] <Sveta> o/
[10:42] <piraye> ok, this sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test worked
[10:42] <piraye> what second command should be?
[10:43] <TJ-> piraye: let me read back; not sure where your issue started!
[10:44] <piraye> after run sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test and then this last msj PPA purged successfully
[10:44] <TJ-> piraye: ahh, so the original problem was your PC was unable to connect to the PPA server (connection timed out) so now you've removed that PPA, so "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade"
[10:44] <piraye> but when I run grep -ir toolchain /etc/apt/sources* again
[10:44] <piraye> seems they are still there
[10:45] <piraye> https://paste2.org/AaHx1ZUA
[10:45] <TJ-> piraye: both lines are commented out - they start with a # so will not be used
[10:45] <piraye> ok
[10:46] <piraye> I am running sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[10:46] <piraye> TJ, please keep around because this will take time to finish
[10:47] <piraye> it is finished
[10:47] <piraye> now what should I do nex
[10:47] <piraye> *next
[10:47] <piraye> TJ-
[10:47] <TJ-> piraye: that is it, the "sudo apt upgrade" will bring the system up to date
[10:48] <piraye> I need upgrade into 18.04
[10:48] <TJ-> piraye: so now you want to do a release upgrade? OK: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[10:50] <piraye> TJ-, it is running now
[11:16] <coconut> TJ-: do all packages get downloaded first before installing them with an "do-release-upgrade"?
[11:30] <piraye> Hi TJ-, I got disc problem, so the the installation aborted
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> piraye: pastebin please
[11:31] <piraye> https://paste2.org/K8yAxtkD
[11:31] <Sveta> not enough free disk space
[11:32] <Yatekii> hey folks
[11:33] <Yatekii> is there any way I can use packages that are not available in 19.04?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> !mix | Yatekii
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> Yatekii: wich package do you have in mind?
[11:33] <piraye> Sveta, after free files from my computer, should I repeat the installation
[11:34] <Sveta> yes, you need an extra 3.325 MB - but if you can free more it is even better
[11:35] <Yatekii> lotuspsychje: yeah, luckily idc :P I am sure there is not suddenly major changes and unfortunately I need to run this garbo software (SimplicityStudio from SiLabs) ^^
[11:35] <Yatekii> lotuspsychje: Package libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 is not available, but is referred to by another package. this is my problem atm
[11:35] <Yatekii> I had the same with lib32ncurses5 but I just changed that to using version 6 ... we'll see if it works
[11:35] <Yatekii> sadly that piece of s software is using eclipse 9 as a base ... I mean yeah ^^
[11:37] <piraye> please how can I check current disc space?
[11:38] <coconut> piraye: df or df -h
[11:39] <Sveta> it is 3.325 MB extra, in total you will need at least 4.462 MB
[11:40] <Sveta> I am heading out now, I hope TJ- or someone else is still around
[11:53] <AmaranthRevenge> dumb question.  all my desktop items have disappeared.  I can still access them through the desktop folder. Any idea how to make them reappear?
[11:55] <ioria> usually it means (on 18.04) that nautilus-desktop is dead
[11:57] <AmaranthRevenge> any idea how to fix that?
[11:57] <TJ-> AmaranthRevenge: if you're on a recent release, Gnome removed the desktop from nautilus
[11:57] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, what release ?
[11:57] <AmaranthRevenge> 18.04
[11:58] <AmaranthRevenge> 18.04.2 LTS
[11:58] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, run from terminal  nautilus-desktop
[11:58] <AmaranthRevenge> ok, did that
[11:59] <AmaranthRevenge> yeah nothing happened
[11:59] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, or open gnome-tweaks -> Desktop -> show icons
[12:00] <AmaranthRevenge> still nothing... hmm....
[12:01] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, then you did sometning unsuall
[12:01] <AmaranthRevenge> I know, but I have no idea
[12:01] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, restart gnome-shell, ot login out /in
[12:03] <AmaranthRevenge> restarted gnome-shell and still nothing...
[12:03] <AmaranthRevenge> I am thoroughly confused
[12:03] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, maybe you removed nautilus
[12:04] <AmaranthRevenge> when I ran nautilus-desktop it didn't give me an error.  Just nothing happened
[12:04] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, did you replace that with another file manager ?
[12:05] <AmaranthRevenge> I don't think so.  I don't usually mess with that part
[12:05] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge, is there anything in ~/Desktop  ?
[12:05] <AmaranthRevenge> yes all the files are there
[12:06] <AmaranthRevenge> nothing is missing.
[12:06] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge,  paste   ps -A | grep naut
[12:06] <AmaranthRevenge> got this:  2288 tty1     00:00:07 nautilus-deskto
[12:08] <AmaranthRevenge> it is not a huge deal but a bit weird to not be able to click from desktop.  I can drag file to desktop and it will copy there.  Can see the files in the folder just not on the desktop
[12:09] <ioria> AmaranthRevenge,  log out /in
[12:17] <the_count> Hello! I was performing an upgrade, and it asked me to tell it what to do to resolve a file difference. I chose to compare/look at the details. Now that I'm done looking, how do I escape that command? It shows (END) at the bottom
[12:20] <ioria> the_count,  'q'
[12:21] <the_count> Awesome! Thanks!
[12:22] <ioria> ok
[12:23] <ongo> Hello, I need to upgrade the weechate package on Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, however the latest version in LTS repos is 19.1-1
[12:24] <ongo> how do I upgrade the single package to the newest version while leaving the rest LTS?
[12:26] <jeremy31> ongo what version do you have?
[12:27] <b1ack0p> my registered channel doesnt give me auto op why?
[12:27] <jeremy31> ongo, nevermind
[12:28] <jeremy31> b1ack0p: That if offtopic, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #freenode
[12:28] <b1ack0p> oh sorry
[12:28] <b1ack0p> wrong channel lol
[12:29] <ongo> is it even possible to do so?
[12:29] <ongo> Or do I have to install the package manually
[12:30] <jeremy31> ongo, it would have to be done manually
[12:30] <jeremy31> or maybe snap packlage
[12:34] <ongo> jeremy31: no snap package for weechat
[12:34] <jeremy31> ongo, have fun downloading and compiling it
[12:35] <ongo> http://tipsonubuntu.com/2017/07/07/install-latest-weechat-chat-client-ubuntu/ this worked
[12:47] <bbanner> hi people how are you?
[13:02] <unimatrix9> is there a cloud open source alternative to gsuite ?
[13:03] <leftyfb> unimatrix9: did you look?
[13:04] <unimatrix9> yeah i looked at a lot of different solutions
[13:04] <unimatrix9> maybe i missed one thats why i ask ;)
[13:04] <leftyfb> unimatrix9: ok, so you have your answer
[13:05] <unimatrix9> whats your take ?
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | Cyfraka
[13:22] <Cyfraka> who is lotuspsychje
[13:23] <leftyfb> Cyfraka: can we help you with something?
[13:26] <Cyfraka> about the root note that I got. Thanks
[14:52] <hartescout> hey guys, sorry quick question. For some reason I can't update java runtime environment to get TD Ameritrade Think Or Swim app running correctly. Anyone know the command line to get it done? The one suggested on Oracle's site just isn't working
[14:52] <hartescout> update or install
[14:55] <lordcirth> hartescout, what version of Java do you need?
[14:55] <hartescout_> damn
 hartescout, what version of Java do you need?
[14:56] <tomreyn> hartescout_: ^ and which version of ubuntu do you run?
[15:52] <piraye> hi!
[15:52] <piraye> I was upgrading into ubuntu 18.04
[15:52] <piraye> now it is completed
[15:53] <piraye> but I got this msj
[15:53] <piraye> Upgrade complete
[15:53] <piraye> The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade
[15:53] <piraye> process.
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> piraye: pastebin please
[15:54] <piraye> https://paste2.org/N6YcF9Bv
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> !enter | piraye
[15:54] <piraye> I couldnt put all logs in pastebin because it is alot
[15:55] <piraye> lotuspsychje, do you want all logs
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> piraye: ddi you reboot yet after upgrade?
[15:56] <piraye> not yet, you mean restart, right?
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> yes
[15:56] <piraye> it is now finished
[15:56] <piraye> and want to show you what give me
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> piraye: before you restart, try: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:56] <piraye> ok
[15:59] <piraye> lotuspsychje, https://paste2.org/4NsFn7Ub
[16:00] <piraye> should I run this apt --fix-broken install
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> piraye: yes try please
[16:01] <piraye> lotuspsychje, https://paste2.org/E7EtLFEh
[16:03] <piraye> lotuspsychje, any idea please?
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> piraye: do you still have external ppa's in your sources.list?
[16:04] <piraye> I dont know
[16:04] <piraye> I removed them
[16:04] <hellerz> Hello guys, I'm trying to run znc on my ubuntu and make oidentd reply with my chosen ident (not shell's username) when connecting . I added this https://pastebin.com/v1JLJycX to /etc/oidentd.conf file under the default settings but It doesn't work. Am I missing something?
[16:05] <piraye> lotuspsychje, https://paste2.org/Fa9K7wdv
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> piraye: what about in sources.list.d
[16:07] <piraye> lotuspsychje, could you give me command
[16:07] <piraye> to check sources.list.d
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> piraye: its in folder /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[16:08] <piraye> lotuspsychje, https://paste2.org/6HJmfGW8
[16:10] <tomreyn> piraye: you're only partially answering lotuspsychje's question there.
[16:10] <tomreyn> piraye: try this: sudo apt purge   libc6-dev-armhf-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross; sudo apt install libc6-dev-armhf-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross
[16:11] <piraye> which question I have answered partially
[16:11] <tomreyn> you responded to "do you still have external ppa's in your sources.list?" with a grep for apt sources containing "toolchain"
[16:12] <piraye> https://paste2.org/9xhMIzMH
[16:13] <piraye> what is external ppa's?
[16:13] <piraye> how to grep it then
[16:15] <piraye> please help, need to solve this problem,
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> piraye: its the external sources for software you added to your system, i adviced you to remove before upgrade
[16:16] <piraye> but I tried to remove them
[16:17] <ioria> piraye, already run  sudo apt -f install  ?
[16:18] <piraye> ioria, https://paste2.org/BGy3XgJI
[16:18] <piraye> lotuspsychje, I removed them
[16:18] <ioria> piraye, sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libc6-armel-cross libc6-armhf-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross libc6-dev-armhf-cross
[16:18] <TJ-> ioria: there's a known issue with the -cross packages that the upgrade scripts fail; the only solution is to remove the packages entirely and install again to get the upgraded versions!
[16:19] <ioria> TJ-, i see
[16:19] <piraye> then what should I do now
[16:19] <ioria> piraye, sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libc6-armel-cross libc6-armhf-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross libc6-dev-armhf-cross
[16:20] <piraye> ioria, https://paste2.org/5Ce5V9eK
[16:21] <ioria> piraye, sudo apt clean && sudo apt autoclean
[16:21] <piraye> why I run this command tow times  sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libc6-armel-cross libc6-armhf-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross libc6-dev-armhf-cross
[16:22] <ioria> piraye, sudo apt clean && sudo apt autoclean
[16:22] <piraye> it is done
[16:22] <ioria> piraye, sudo apt update
[16:23] <piraye> ioria, https://paste2.org/5DHafdNs
[16:23] <ioria> piraye, sudo apt -f install
[16:24] <piraye> ioria, done
[16:24] <ioria> piraye, sudo apt  full-upgrade
[16:24] <TJ-> Bug #1797557
[16:25] <piraye> is this will take too much time like last upgrade
[16:25] <ioria> piraye, only 6 pkgs
[16:26] <ioria> piraye, don't you see ?
[16:26] <piraye> ioria, https://paste2.org/teA1M029
[16:26] <piraye> it is done, I think
[16:26] <ioria> piraye, sudo apt autoremove --purge
[16:27] <piraye> ok, done
[16:27] <piraye> I can restart now
[16:27] <gallomimia> my system has always had weird caveats while booting. but this latest one is extra weird. ubuntu 19.04, clean install on a different drive than usual. it won't proceed with the GUI section of the booting until i press ctrl-alt F# and then ctrl-alt-F1
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> piraye: did you make a backup of your data?
[16:28] <ioria> piraye, if you want to reinstall those pkgs :  sudo apt install libc6-dev-armel-cross libc6-dev-armhf-cross
[16:28] <gallomimia> .... does ubuntu desktop run out-of-the-box on pi's now?
[16:28] <piraye> no I did not backup my data, are they going to deleted
[16:29] <piraye> ioria, what should I do now
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> piraye: you had problems before upgrade, problems during upgrade, no space left during upgrade and problems after upgrade, its adviced to backup data
[16:30] <gallomimia> yeah
[16:30] <gallomimia> back it up dude
[16:30] <piraye> lotuspsychje, ok
[16:30] <mouses> also have backups, and a backup of your backup
[16:30] <mouses> :)
[16:30] <ioria> piraye, try to install something, and be sure apt is up and working
[16:30] <gallomimia> if it wasn't backed up, i guess it wasn't that important to you
[16:30] <ioria> piraye, no erors, no warnings ... etc. etc
[16:31] <piraye> ioria, ok
[16:32] <tomreyn> hellerz: i think there's also #znc in case you can't work it out here. it may be too specific for #ubuntu
[16:32] <gallomimia> if you had a bunch of problems doing a big upgrade, it could be a good idea to run a grub update. make sure your initrd is real and works before booting
[16:32] <hellerz> tomreyn thank you
[16:32] <ioria> TJ-, thanx for the link
[16:33] <tomreyn> piraye: be sure to     sudo apt -f install && sudo apt full-upgrade    before you reboot.
[16:34] <tomreyn> piraye: and you always need to have backups, generally. and it's advisable to trigger a backup run both before and after upgrading.
[16:35] <piraye> ok tomreyn
[16:36] <piraye> ok, now I can reboot
[16:37] <piraye> I will talk you after reboot
[16:37] <tomreyn> piraye: here's a script that can help you identify more package dependency issues lurking under the hood in apt - i usually recommend running this both before and after release upgrades (and acting upon the output): https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[16:39] <piraye> tomreyn,
[16:40] <piraye> should I run all these in that site before reboot
[16:40] <tomreyn> piraye: no, just the "foreign_packages" script, and only if you feel comfortable with it.
[16:41] <tomreyn> piraye: i wrote this, you shoould not trust me, you should review the code before you run it.
[16:41] <piraye> sudo ./foreign_packages
[16:41] <piraye> this one
[16:41] <tomreyn> right
[16:41] <gallomimia> piraye, running a script off the internet with admin permissions can be very dangerous
[16:41] <piraye> I am not going to run it then
[16:42] <gallomimia> you just ran lots of things with admin permissions without really giving it much thought
[16:43] <piraye> I am confused, I am using sudo to run it
[16:43] <piraye> not as root
[16:43] <gallomimia> the lesson here is to slow down and consider the consequences of every command you give your system, before pressing enter. not to forgo good advice.
[16:43] <gallomimia> sudo makes things happen as root
[16:43] <OerHeks> gallomimia, how helpfull.
[16:43] <piraye> yes
[16:43] <gallomimia> super-user-do
[16:44] <gallomimia> he just wants it fixed
[17:05] <Jackneill> tomreyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829402/
[17:05] <Jackneill> if you remember me, i have updated a bit.
[17:09] <tomreyn> Jackneill: thanks for the notice, i just suscribed to this bug report now.
[17:10] <tomreyn> Jackneill: did you test what i discussed in comment #14 ?
[17:10] <tomreyn> oh you say you did test part of it, ok
[17:11] <Jackneill> tomreyn, i stopped with 101, since #24 wont help me with no hwmatch
[17:11] <Jackneill> i dont know why its missing, or how to get it back
[17:14] <tomreyn> Jackneill: is the system full yupdated? once it is, can you install grub manually? maybe this will remove the "hwmatch" message. it's well possible this message is actually benign, though.
[17:16] <Jackneill> tomreyn, what do you mean exactly by reinstalling it manually?
[17:16] <tomreyn> Jackneill: sudo grub-install
[17:17] <Jackneill> tomreyn, no need for boot iso, etc?
[17:17] <Jackneill> or a console, just in terminal?
[17:18] <tomreyn> Jackneill: once your system booted up fine (my understanding is it can do this occasionally but not always), just run this in a terminal after ensuring it is fully up to date (sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade)
[17:18] <Jackneill> tomreyn, right
[17:18] <tomreyn> whether you run this in a terminal window or a TTY does not matter.
[17:18] <Jackneill> tomreyn, 'installion finisghed, no error reported"
[17:19] <tomreyn> Jackneill: so the system was fully updated beforehand?
[17:19] <Jackneill> tomreyn, hwmatch remains in 10_linux, and still not exists in /boot..
[17:20] <TJ-> tomreyn: Jackneill "hwmatch" is a patch added to GRUB by Ubuntu, and is only for grub-pc (i386) so if booting UEFI mode this will not be found
[17:22] <Jackneill> tomreyn, yes it was
[17:22] <TJ-> So you can ignore the hwmatch error
[17:22] <Jackneill> TJ-, i see, in which case i can only think of the acpi_osi thing
[17:23] <Jackneill> as a last resort
[17:23] <Jackneill> that could cause this
[17:23] <TJ-> Jackneill: are you using acpi_osi= currently?
[17:23] <Jackneill> TJ-, no. and it works non-deterministically as in sometimes yes, sometimes no, a bit more to the no
[17:23] <tomreyn> did you try a mainline kernel, yet?
[17:24] <TJ-> Jackneill: I'd definitely try acpi_osi as recommended in my article
[17:24] <Jackneill> tomreyn, as in a fresher one that is provided by ubuntu?
[17:25] <Jackneill> TJ-, right
[17:25] <tomreyn> !mainline | Jackneill
[17:26] <mouses> hi all, having a heck of a time here.  Need to get oidentd up to 2.3.2+ - running 18.04 on my server, snagged oidentd_2.3.2-1_amd64.deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oidentd (under disco dingo) -> when doing a dpkg -i on it, I am stuck here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B5vmKNfwxh/
[17:26] <mouses> anyone able to help a mouses out a bit?
[17:26] <TJ-> Jackneill: something else that might help in diagnosis: "earlyprintk=efi,keep" in conjunction with GRUBs terminal console mode, to get early kernel messages
[17:26] <Jackneill> tomreyn, is there an easy==lazy way of doing it?
[17:26] <tomreyn> Jackneill: since it really seems mainboard firmware related, acpi_osi is more promising.
[17:27] <tomreyn> Jackneill: no, we're beyond the easy approaches now.
[17:27] <Jackneill> :(
[17:27] <tomreyn> well it's still easy enough, you don't need to build any software
[17:27] <TJ-> mouses: not a good idea; the dependency versions in 19.04 are higher, as you see. There's a reason we package the archives so everything works together
[17:27] <Jackneill> TJ-, just edit
[17:28] <TJ-> Jackneill: see https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[17:29] <mouses> TJ-: Yeah, running out of options - just need to get that modern oidentd running - any solution to doing this?
[17:29] <TJ-> mouses: install/run it in a mimimal chroot or container
[17:29] <Jackneill> TJ-, export GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX earlyprintk=efi,keep" ; sudo uőpdate-grub?
[17:29] <mouses> TJ-: Ugh, that's a PITA
[17:30] <TJ-> Jackneill: errr, no, I don't think that'll work
[17:30] <Jackneill> TJ-, then how?
[17:30] <TJ-> Jackneill: read my instructions
[17:32] <Jackneill> TJ-, grub_terminal=console is set, but its says its grub-pc only
[17:33] <Jackneill> as far as i am aware, i am booting in efi mode
[17:33] <mouses> TJ-: driving me nuts.  A friend also on 18.04 snagged that exact same package, installed via dkpg -i -- no errors.  Can't figure out why I'm special :P
[17:33] <Jackneill> ,/boot hierarchy seems to say to too
[17:33] <Jackneill> but it successfully worked
[17:33] <TJ-> Jackneill: hmmm, there's a newer option for that now I recall, possibly tomreyn can recall it
[17:34] <tomreyn> TJ-: there's "console" as an initrd option but i'm not sure you mean this?
[17:35] <TJ-> Jackneill: ahhh "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text"
[17:35] <Jackneill> tomreyn, TJ- : the only line i got with earlyprintk is 'Memory KASLR using RDRAND RDTSC...'
[17:36] <Jackneill> whats text and keep?
[17:36] <TJ-> Jackneill: and did the system hang?
[17:36] <Jackneill> TJ-, yes.
[17:36] <tomreyn> text=text-only, non-graphical boot.
[17:36] <thunor> hi
[17:36] <TJ-> Jackneill: Fantastic!! That tells us the kernel DID start, which wasn't clear before
[17:36] <thunor> i have an extremely powerful idea
[17:37] <TJ-> Jackneill: so, I'm wondering about a microcode issue - is the CPU Intel?
[17:37] <Jackneill> TJ-, i will comment this in the issue
[17:37] <tomreyn> !discuss | thunor
[17:37] <Jackneill> TJ-, yes
[17:37] <Jackneill> its written in the issue
[17:37] <Jackneill> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829402/
[17:37] <mbeierl> Dumb question: I have Ubuntu 18.04 inside a lab, pointed to a lab DNS server.  When I use nslookup, or host, the hostname gets looked up and the IP address returned.  If I use ping, I get host not found.  Watching tcpdump, I see DNS lookup packets when using nslookup, but ping does not generate any DNS lookup.  How can I get ping (and other commands) to use DNS?
[17:37] <TJ-> Jackneill: OK, I think you'd hit a regression that we know affects some models due to the recent Intel MDS problems
[17:38] <tomreyn> TJ-: are you aware of a bug report on this?
[17:38] <hgk> we are giving certain dependencies under RUN directive such as apt-get install libssl-dev , but on trying to build the image, I keep getting following error
[17:38] <hgk> we are giving certain dependencies under RUN directive such as apt-get install libssl-dev , but on trying to build the image, I keep getting following error
[17:38] <TJ-> Jackneill: try adding "nomds" to stop the workarounds
[17:38] <TJ-> tomreyn: Yes, but cannot recall where it was at this moment; searching as we talk
[17:39] <TJ-> Jackneill: tomreyn there's another option to disable loading of the microcode too
[17:39] <TJ-> I think the discussion on this was in #ubuntu-kernel a week or so back, I'll check my logs
[17:39] <tomreyn> i think the boot parameters are listed on the security teams' FAQ
[17:40] <TJ-> hmmm, this maybe? bug 1829620
[17:41] <hgk> https://dpaste.de/mS6G
[17:42] <sentiment> hi
[17:42] <tomreyn> so "mds=off" would be equivalent to "nomds"
[17:42] <Jackneill> TJ-, havent tried that yet, just add, its also possbile it hangs with no text on screen
[17:43] <Jackneill> event with that earlyprintk
[17:44] <TJ-> Jackneill: try with "mds=off" to determine if the issue is with the kernel's MDS mitigatios; there's an option tha stops the microcode being loaded too but haven't found it yet - was sure it was in that bug report somewhere
[17:44] <sentiment> whenever I play an HD mkv vid using VLC or totem or whatever, the gpu gets super hot until the the machine shuts down
[17:44] <TJ-> ahhh, Jackneill , here we go, "dis_ucode_ldr"  disable microcode loader
[17:44] <TJ-> Jackneill:  tomreyn I have to go to dinner now, hopw this helps
[17:45] <Wizard> Hi
[17:46] <sentiment> not sure if it's just mkv
[17:46] <sentiment> I think it could be with all hd videos
[17:48] <Jackneill> TJ-, tomreyn i guess its booting now (not nomds), just to report, its so slow now that i can see the screen text being updated (the line going down):D
[17:48] <Jackneill> kernel msgs
[17:49] <tomreyn> Jackneill: so you're saying it is now very very slow to boot?
[17:50] <tomreyn> Jackneill: which changes did you make, which options did you set now?
[17:50] <Jackneill> tomreyn, yes, but i didnt set nodms yet
[17:50] <Jackneill> just earlyprintk and removed quiet
[17:50] <tomreyn> i see
[17:50] <Led_Zeppelin> Running Ubuntu 16.04.6; Wondering if I can improve my display better.
[17:50] <Jackneill> tomreyn, after i got the systemd msgs it was fine
[17:50] <Led_Zeppelin> like get the higest resolution possible
[17:50] <Jackneill> so i guess a kernel feature to see the msgs?
[17:51] <tomreyn> Jackneill: wasn't "quiet" already removed?
[17:51] <tomreyn> Jackneill: i was thinking we had sugggested this before.
[17:52] <Jackneill> tomreyn, i had removed before to test, but it was from grub 'e'
[17:53] <tomreyn> ok, you may want to remove "quiet" and "splash" off /etc/default/grub generally until this is solved.
[17:53] <Jackneill> tomreyn, did that, also added nomds now
[17:54] <tomreyn> Jackneill: don't forget to     sudo update-grub
[17:54] <Jackneill> tomreyn, right i did not :)
[17:54] <tomreyn> can you    cat /etc/default/gruib | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:54] <tomreyn> can you    cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:57] <tomreyn> mbeierl: test using    systemd-resolve some.fqdn   (replace "some.fqdn" by some fully qualified domain name you're testing with). read it's man page. read also the man page of resolv.conf
[17:58] <Jackneill> tomreyn, once it boots up
[17:59] <sentiment> tomreyn: any idea on where can I start troubleshooting the hd vid issue?
[17:59] <mbeierl> tomreyn: that works.  From tcpdump, I see it's using mDNS.  I think the problem is this lab is set up with .corp.local as the domain
[17:59] <sentiment> I might be able to handle it myself if I get a clue on the start point
[18:00] <sentiment> the drivers I believe are the latest
[18:00] <mbeierl> and so I don't know how to tell resolved not to use mDNS, but use DNS for those lookup, I think?
[18:00] <sentiment> 4.18.0-20-generic kernel
[18:03] <sentiment> using the radeon driver
[18:05] <tomreyn> sentiment: run "dmesg -w" before you start video playback, see if it outputs anything possibly related. you can ctrl-c to exit it at any time.
[18:07] <tomreyn> sentiment: also reviewing the full system log (journalctl -b or /var/log/syslog) may help, looking for X / radeon / mesa issues, ACPI issues
[18:07] <tomreyn> Jackneill: still booting?
[18:08] <arooni> can i get unattended updates to work for things that arent secruity updates?
[18:08] <Jackneill> tomreyn, yes
[18:09] <tds> mbeierl: the answer is to stop abusing .local
[18:09] <tomreyn> Jackneill: hmm, that's way too long.
[18:09] <mbeierl> tds: unfortunately this is not my lab.  so while I would love to do so, I can't.
[18:09] <Jackneill> tomreyn, its almost if not a sec for every line
[18:10] <Jackneill> to be updated (the 'refresher line' going from top to bottom")
[18:10] <tds> mbeierl: does `systemd-resolve --status` show mdns as being enabled? if so you could probably persuade it to be disabled through your netplan/network-manager/networkd config
[18:11] <mbeierl> tds: odd - it shows multicastDNS as no.
[18:11] <trupsalms> i believe my ip of my znc server was banned during a ddos, on my cloud server which kept it login on and off, is there anywhere i can get support for unban
[18:11] <tomreyn> Jackneill: i see, so it's realyl the super slow graphics slowing down the boot there
[18:11] <mbeierl> tds but yet, I still see MDNS packets going out in tcpdump.
[18:11] <tds> mbeierl: oh, and it worked when you used `systemd-resolve` manually?
[18:11] <tds> check /etc/nsswitch.conf if so
[18:12] <mbeierl> tds: yes, manually it does, but ping, wget, etc, all still cause MDNS packets.
[18:13] <mbeierl> tds: systemd-resolve shows response via DNS.  I am now officially confused.
[18:13] <tds> mbeierl: what about /etc/nsswitch.conf as I mentioned, what's on the hosts: line?
[18:14] <mbeierl> sorry - was still getting to that, and yes, mdns is there.  Changing it now
[18:14] <tds> cool
[18:15] <mbeierl> tds: yes, that is it - put dns ahead of the others and finally it works
[18:16] <tds> mbeierl: on a system using systemd-resolved you'd normally want resolve before dns
[18:16] <mbeierl> tds: thank you!! I completely forgot about nsswitch.conf.  I think that part of my brain got purged when I stopped using NIS
[18:16] <tds> that way applications will query resolved directly over dbus rather than talking udp/tcp to the stub resolver on <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:16] <mbeierl> tds, sorry, it's files dns now
[18:21] <badhobbit> I'm testing out the latest ubuntu on my laptop and having wifi adapter detection issues.  Does ubuntu do a more thorough hardware detection on a full install compared to a live install on a thumb drive?
[18:22] <TJ-> badhobbit: it's like the device needs either a) a more recent kernel version or b) a proprietary driver
[18:23] <TJ-> badhobbit: can you open a terminal and run some commands so we can find out what the device is?
[18:24] <badhobbit> I can give it a shot.  as best I can recall, I ran into this problem when I installed ubuntu last time.  But that was when the last stable release dropped so it's been a LONG time
[18:24] <badhobbit> I have it working on the outdated install, and I thought that once it was fully installed on the hard drive it was easier to configure
[18:25] <TJ-> badhobbit: Ctrl+Alt+T to open a terminal, then "sudo apt install pastebinit" so we can capture output to a pastebin, then do "pastebinit <( uname -a; lspci -nnk -d ::0280; lsusb; ls /sys/class/net/ )"
[18:26] <piraye> hello everyone!
[18:26] <badhobbit> Thanks for your help TJ
[18:26] <badhobbit> Hi Piraye!
[18:26] <b1ack0p> how long should it be to drop a nick?
[18:26] <kostkon> piraye, hi
[18:26] <b1ack0p> sorry again
[18:26] <b1ack0p> wrong place
[18:27] <piraye> I upgarde ubnutu into 18.04
[18:27] <piraye> but now there is one problem, I cant use right click
[18:27] <piraye> option
[18:28] <badhobbit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xYDwHQJSbh/
[18:28] <piraye> so I cant create file
[18:28] <badhobbit> first time using pastebin, holy cow that's cool
[18:28] <piraye> there is nothing for pastebin
[18:29] <lordcirth> piraye, you can't right-click where? Anywhere?
[18:29] <piraye> the rightclick of mose not active in ubuntu
[18:29] <piraye> in terminal
[18:29] <piraye> in every where
[18:29] <badhobbit> piraye, TJ was showing me how to use pastebin to diagnose my issue.  Sorry for the mixup there
[18:29] <lordcirth> piraye, install 'xev', run it, and right-click on it. Does it show a right-click event
[18:29] <TJ-> badhobbit: that shows is the device is Broadcom, and the driver is "wl" and the device is "wlp2s0", so at least something is trying to manage it. However, it is possible the alternate 'bcma' driver is better. I'll do some digging
[18:30] <piraye> ok let me install it
[18:30] <iyanmv> Hi!
[18:30] <lordcirth> iyanmv, hi
[18:30] <iyanmv> Anyone knows if Qt Remote Objects is available in ubuntu repos?
[18:30] <iyanmv> https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtremoteobjects-index.html
[18:31] <piraye> enable to loacte packge Xev
[18:31] <iyanmv> (I am searching in 19.04)
[18:31] <piraye> I cant copy paste in terminal
[18:31] <lordcirth> piraye, ah, sorry, the package is "x11-utils"
[18:32] <TJ-> badhobbit: before I do that though, lets collect some more data about what the device can do: " pastebinit <( iwconfig; iw list ; sudo iwlist wlp2s0 scan ) "
[18:32] <badhobbit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jf4yw9fjTk/
[18:33] <piraye> lordcirth, it say already new version
[18:33] <TJ-> badhobbit: that shows us the PC is connected to the Access Point and has a good signal
[18:33] <lordcirth> piraye, then go ahead and run it
[18:34] <piraye> how
[18:34] <jeremy31> badhobbit: cat /etc/lsb-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <lordcirth> piraye, 'xev'
[18:34] <TJ-> badhobbit: So, what problem are you having with it?
[18:34] <piraye> from where should I run it
[18:34] <badhobbit> I'm currently running on the old install, which has wifi configured.  When I fire up a new USB stick with the latest ubuntu, I can't seem to detect the device
[18:35] <piraye> lordcirth,
[18:35] <lordcirth> piraye, in a terminal, same as everything else
[18:35] <badhobbit> I'm pretty rusty and cant remember the right command lines to get it set up. and I've never been good with the gui
[18:35] <piraye> I dont know how to run it
[18:35] <TJ-> badhobbit: ahhh, which ubuntu release is on the USB?
[18:35] <jeremy31> badhobbit: use the driver manager to install bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:36] <badhobbit> I've tried ubuntu 19.04 and mint 19.1 with the same results
[18:36] <TJ-> jeremy31: is that *on* the LiveISO installer?
[18:36] <lordcirth> piraye, you type 'xev' and press Enter.
[18:36] <badhobbit> jeremy31, one second and I'll be caught up
[18:36] <piraye> yes I did
[18:36] <jeremy31> TJ-: It should be, all needed files are in /pool
[18:36] <badhobbit> I may have to dig out a cat5 cable and apt-get whatever is needed to make it work
[18:36] <lordcirth> piraye, and you should get a white window?
[18:36] <piraye> lordcirth, still running
[18:37] <jeremy31> badhobbit: Install Ubuntu with third party software enabled
[18:37] <piraye> I get white window
[18:37] <piraye> what should I do now
[18:37] <lordcirth> piraye, move your mouse over the window, hold it still, and right-click a few times
[18:37] <jeremy31> badhobbit: If you have the ISO, it can install from it
[18:37] <badhobbit> I was hoping to test it out before wiping out my current install to verify functionality, lol
[18:37] <lordcirth> piraye, Do you then see ButtonPress and ButtonRelease events going by?
[18:38] <TJ-> jeremy31: I don't see it in the manifest
[18:38] <badhobbit> I'm 99% sure it'll get sorted out but it's my only physical computer that works right now
[18:38] <badhobbit> https://termbin.com/aczj
[18:38] <TJ-> jeremy31: and the only thing in pool is /pool/main/b/b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter_019-4_amd64.deb
[18:38] <TJ-> jeremy31: oh, apologies, I missed restricted: /pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel-source_<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[18:39] <TJ-> badhobbit: so as jeremy31 has recommended, once booted to the USB, do "sudo apt install bcmwl-kernel-source" which *should* install and build the driver for you
[18:40] <jeremy31> or use the driver manager in Software & Updates
[18:40] <badhobbit> ok thanks I'll give that a shot
[18:40] <piraye> lordcirth,
[18:41] <badhobbit> I'll be back in a bit then.
[18:41] <piraye> I did what you said me but I didnot see  ButtonPress and ButtonRelease
[18:41] <lordcirth> piraye, ok. So it sounds a lot like your mouse is broken. Try it on another machine?
[18:42] <lordcirth> piraye, also, what model is your mouse?
[18:42] <piraye> I am not using externial mose
[18:42] <piraye> I am using my pc
[18:43] <piraye> mose
[18:44] <piraye> lordcirth, I am using tracpad
[18:47] <lordcirth> piraye, ok, you should have said that earlier, but I should have asked earlier. You might just need to change settings. Search for "mouse" in settings.
[18:47] <skomorokh> Just upgraded to 19.04 (I like to give it a month), went smoothly except one thing and I wonder if any of you ran into this---Firefox refuses to use my profile saying that I'm running an older version and it's for my own good that it not try and use it :) But they're both 67... maybe there is some internal build # that is ever so slightly newer on whatever the latest patch was on the cosmic repo or ???
[18:48] <lordcirth> skomorokh, you upgraded from 18.10? Did you have a Firefox PPA installed?
[18:48] <skomorokh> Yup, from 18.10. No PPA.
[18:48] <lordcirth> skomorokh, and you've done an "apt update; apt full-upgrade" after upgrading?
[18:49] <viju> Is next LTA coming in 2020?
[18:49] <lordcirth> viju, Next LTS is 20.04, yes
[18:49] <viju> In that case, can I just jump to 2020 from 18.04 or do I have to upgrade to versions in between?
[18:49] <skomorokh> hm, just my usual apt upgrade and I figure it'd have done a dist-upgrade. I'll try that, was unaware of full-upgrade even existing...
[18:49] <lordcirth> viju, upgrading from one LTS to the next is supported.
[18:49] <lordcirth> skomorokh, full-upgrade is an alias to dist-upgrade
[18:49] <skomorokh> Nope, that had no new updates.
[18:49] <viju> Ok thanks lordcirth
[18:50] <gambl0re> when people switch os's multiple times are they basically wiping their system and reinstalling all their programs?
[18:51] <skomorokh> 67.0+build2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in 19.04 vs. 67.0+build2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in cosmic ...I'm kinda surprised this is happening?
[18:52] <gambl0re> i dont understand when people say "i didnt like arch. im going to switch to fedora. i didnt like fedora im going to switch to ubuntu" are they basically reinstalling all of their programs every time they install a new os? what am i missing here?
[18:52] <lordcirth> gambl0re, yes, installing from a USB again.
[18:53] <badhobbit2> Thanks guys, that worked
[18:53] <tomreyn> Jackneill: i added a suggestion on how to test the kernel options TJ- discussed to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829402/
[18:54] <gambl0re> so these users dont mind constantly installing their applications?
[18:54] <gambl0re> every time they do a new install?
[18:54] <lordcirth> gambl0re, it's not that much work. However, #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:55] <gambl0re> i guess depending on what you're using your computer for.
[18:55] <Casper26> Anyone with an idea on how to change a string of text in a file that is in multiple directories?
[18:56] <lordcirth> Casper26, sed
[18:57] <ioria> find + sed
[18:59] <Jonta> One file, that is in multiple directories?
[18:59] <TJ-> Casper26: "sed -i 's/matchthis/replacewiththis/g' $( grep -rl 'matchthis' )" I'd think
[19:00] <Casper26> yes a game.ini file that is in 500 different games folders
[19:00] <TJ-> Casper26: 500? then use  grep -rl ... | xargs ... sed  ...
[19:00] <tomreyn> skomorokh: if the same firefox upstream version on 18.10 and 19.04 would behave differently (reporting profile is outdated one time but nt the other) this would surprise me, too.
[19:00] <lordcirth> Casper26, Ah, so use 'find -name game.ini', and if the output looks right, use -exec to call sed
[19:01] <tomreyn> skomorokh: are you sure that you actually ran firefox 67 before you upgraded, though?
[19:02] <skomorokh> tomreyn: yup, it was only a few days ago that package came down and I recall restarting to ensure my addons were all happy
[19:02] <tomreyn> skomorokh: (maybe you ran firefox 66 and while an upgrade was installed at some - rather recent - point, just didn't restart firefox?)
[19:02] <tomreyn> i see
[19:02] <TJ-> skomorokh: see https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2019/01/14/moving-to-a-profile-per-install-architecture/
[19:03] <skomorokh> well, even if I hadn't, it'd not be the situation that my firefox on 18.10 was _newer_ than on 19.04 which is what it's currently complaining of while refusing to load
[19:03] <skomorokh> ugh.
[19:05] <lordcirth> skomorokh, do you have Firefox Sync enabled?
[19:05] <skomorokh> TJ-: thanks, that's depressing (because sync is sketch) but I wonder how it's relevant in that I presumably would be on the same channel?
[19:06] <TJ-> skomorokh: not sure it is relevant, but as you mentioned 67 and profiles, I thought it worth letting you know
[19:06] <skomorokh> TJ-: definitely, apprecaited, and I bet you're right and it's somehow entangles
[19:06] <skomorokh> s/s/d
[19:12] <energizer> something is capturing my control-alt-a keybinding before it even gets to my window manager. what could it be?
[19:14] <piraye> hi!
[19:15] <Jonta> energizer: How do you know something's capturing it?
[19:15] <piraye> please after upgrade of Ubuntu 18.04 on my old ASUS laptop, I found that the touchpad right-click does not work.
[19:15] <piraye> please help
[19:16] <tomreyn> piraye: what did you upgrade from and to?
[19:16] <ioria> piraye, install gnome-tweaks
[19:16] <piraye> ok worked now
[19:17] <piraye> thanks guys for your help today ^_^
[19:18] <skomorokh> There is an environment variable that let me start it, phew, MOZ_ALLOW_DOWNGRADE=1 if anyone else runs into it.
[19:19] <skomorokh> And people have. Apparently TJ- was onto something and whatever their overly complicated version detection mechanism is gets foiled by the privacy.resistFingerprinting setting. moz doesn't trust their own version numbers?
[19:19] <skomorokh> https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/brjj82/firefox_67_thinks_its_an_old_version_and_wont/
[19:21] <Casper26> lordcirth thank you that worked!!
[19:21] <lordcirth> Casper26, cool
[19:23] <skomorokh> Hm, the resist fingerprinting was a red herring, apparently the package maintainers didn't get the 19.04 prefix into one or the other version number so it was possible for previous releases to have newer versions: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/brjj82/firefox_67_thinks_its_an_old_version_and_wont/eofx4m5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
[19:24] <energizer> Jonta: i set a hook to log for that binding in my window manager, and it doesn't receive it
[20:44] <iyanmv> So noone knows? :S
[20:45] <iyanmv> (I copy question again, just in case) Anyone knows if Qt Remote Objects is available in ubuntu repos?
[20:46] <lordcirth> iyanmv, it seems like the sort of thing that is in the main qt5 packages somewhere
[20:46] <lordcirth> iyanmv, if you know a filename, you can use "apt-file search"
[20:46] <gallomimia> sounds like something that would spend some extra time in testing at the security department
[20:47] <Bashing-om> iyanmv: Might narrow the search down as I get no return from - apt search "Qt Remote Objects" .
[20:49] <iyanmv> I guess I should find something with "apt-file search libqtremoteobjects.so"
[20:49] <iyanmv> but I don't
[20:50] <iyanmv> It would be quite surprising that this is not in the official repos
[20:56] <iyanmv> Also can't find anything with "apt-file search Qt5RemoteObjectsConfig.cmake"
[20:58] <gallomimia> what command can i use from the terminal to have it "open" in GUI?
[20:58] <gallomimia> don't even know what wm we are using in ubuntu 19.04
[20:58] <gallomimia> it's pretty tho
[21:20] <tomreyn> gallomimia: the default window manager of ubuntu 19.04 is mutter, it's graphical shell is gnome-shell
[21:24] <sloshy> purged snapd and im using flatpak on ubuntu
[21:24] <sloshy> how do you like them apples shitheads
[21:25] <tomreyn> sloshy: please watch your language, and stay on topic (support Q&A here only, there are other channels), thanks.
[21:31] <amazoniantoad> okay I'm here to help people with their ubuntu computers
[21:31] <amazoniantoad> If you need help I will be here for a little while as I am drunk
[21:31] <amazoniantoad> So, ask away
[21:34] <gallomimia> yep. i'm struggling to understand the layout of my lv's on my volume group inside a luks container
[21:35] <gallomimia> i can't find a gui that will show me what order they're in, with any blank spaces
[21:35] <amazoniantoad> I can't help with that
[21:35] <gallomimia> drat
[21:35] <amazoniantoad> sorry
[21:35] <gallomimia> yeah. it's one of those subjects one doesn't mess with whilst drunk
[21:36] <amazoniantoad> I was thinking of questions that have answers more of like, "turn it off and then on again"
[21:36] <gallomimia> muck up one thing..... erase a drive
[21:36] <gallomimia> ah. i try not to turn it off. it doesn't always come back on ><
[21:36] <amazoniantoad> oh god
[21:36] <gallomimia> i have the finnickiest linux system ever
[21:36] <amazoniantoad> You could try upgrading to windows 10
[21:37] <amazoniantoad> jk
[21:37] <gallomimia> i have never run windows on this system
[21:38] <amazoniantoad> So wait explain what your issue is again and I'll actually try to help
[21:38] <gallomimia> how can i make myself a file-browser window with root permissions/
[21:38] <amazoniantoad> like explain it
[21:38] <gallomimia> well... i have this set of hard drives see....
[21:38] <amazoniantoad> uhuh
[21:38] <gallomimia> they got a raid across them. inside the mdadm container, is a luks volume
[21:38] <gallomimia> so, crypto
[21:39] <gallomimia> and inside that is a lvm container
[21:39] <amazoniantoad> okay
[21:40] <gallomimia> on that is a series of logical volumes... several old versions of ubuntu, home, data, server, games, and so on
[21:40] <gallomimia> i gotta change things a bit. grow some, axe some, make a new one for today's install
[21:41] <amazoniantoad> so what's the problem?
[21:41] <gallomimia> i'm really struggling to grasp how that looks using only text commands
[21:41] <JonHanDin> Does anybody have an efficient 'self destruct' function for ubuntu? My current idea is to either srm the entire thing in an emergency or fork bomb but do you peeps have any better suggestions?
[21:41] <gallomimia> dd with /dev/random
[21:42] <gallomimia> .... why do you want to self destruct? are you playing Uplink?
[21:43] <JonHanDin> gallomimia, for the purposes of not self incriminating lets just says its for fun
[21:43] <JonHanDin> gallomimia, in the back of my mind its just a nice thing to know i have. Like wearing a seatbelt i guess
[21:44] <JonHanDin> gallomimia, and thank you
[21:44] <amazoniantoad> sorry gallomimia i was texting someone let me read what you said
[21:44] <gallomimia> yeah. its nice to think about such things in advance
[21:45] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, Well depends on what level you want to self destruct but you could map a key to execute rm ...well you know the rest of the command
[21:45] <gallomimia> but let's talk about why i would ask instead of assuming i'm prying. do you need to nuke all your files or just have the system offline itself if its under attack?
[21:45] <amazoniantoad> i don't think it's allowed to be typed in here
[21:45] <JonHanDin> gallomimia, just one of those things that i never want to be in a position of wishing i had done it earlier. Dont really see a time ill use it but more just incase
[21:45] <gallomimia> i like to lean on science fiction when dreaming things up
[21:46] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, thats pretty much always been my idea. Just like to ask you peeps too because of your knowledge
[21:46] <gallomimia> in the Ender's Game series, the computer guy adds a modifier key to his log-off key combo that sends a message with a script
[21:46] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, the best thing you can do is run the rm command AND format your HDD 22 times with random data AND melt your CPU by turning off the fan and maxing it out
[21:46] <amazoniantoad> and also trying to dump your memory
[21:46] <gallomimia> yeah... depends how dead you want things
[21:47] <JonHanDin> I was thinking srm with 32 passes. Hadnt considered dumping my memory though. Which is why you people are wonderful!
[21:47] <gallomimia> at some point you have to either trust your crypto or attempt an erase. how much time do you think you have?
[21:48] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, You might also want to consider running the OS on a live CD rather than installing it
[21:48] <JonHanDin> gallomimia, well this is the question. The entire thing is a hypotetical. may be worth buildign a quick version and a full version
[21:48] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, also consider running qubesOS rather than Ubuntu for additional security
[21:49] <tomreyn> gallomimia: sudo lvdisplay --maps
[21:49] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, I do run tails from time to time when its necessary. Wonderful os
[21:49] <gallomimia> what kind of thing are you doing this on? some system that you walked along to, hijacked for the use with a live-cd, and ran off? or your own home computer, where you need to remove identifying information
[21:49] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, qubesOS is better than tails
[21:49] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, never uses qubesOS - research time i think
[21:49] <amazoniantoad> they have a room here on a freenode
[21:49] <amazoniantoad> channel
[21:49] <amazoniantoad> I mean
[21:50] <JonHanDin> gallomimia, for my personal machine. pretty much everything is encrypted anyway, I guess this was just a prokect idea
[21:50] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, I shall look it up now, thank you
[21:50] <tomreyn> JonHanDin: do luks full disk encryption. that's sufficient under jurisdictions which cannot force you to decrypt if you forgot the passphrase. otherwise you can add some software which will destroy the luks header in case you enter a specific decryption key at boot.
[21:50] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, ever hear of a decoy OS?
[21:51] <JonHanDin> tomreyn, i like the idea of destroying the header
[21:51] <JonHanDin> and amazoniantoad, no i havent.
[21:51] <JonHanDin> Lots of research to be don here. As you can probably tell, im not a noob but im MILES off pro
[21:51] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, look up trucrypt decoy OS. veracrypt supports it still
[21:52] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, Thank you for that
[21:52] <amazoniantoad> np
[21:52] <JonHanDin> thanks to all of you. gonna have a wonderful eveing of research
[21:53] <JonHanDin> Is it generally accepted that LUKS is solid? i run a 40+ char key
[21:56] <tomreyn> it's generally considered to provide the features it is designed to provide in a sufficiently secure manner, assuming you chose one of the strong encryption methods.
[21:57] <JonHanDin> tomreyn, I cant really argue with that! Thank you. - I guess for the most part this is just a small project / research opportunity
[21:57] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, for fun, you should install suicide linux on the machine
[21:57] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, Dare i even ask?
[21:58] <amazoniantoad> It would destroy the machine if anyone accidentally typed in the wrong argument for any command at command line
[21:58] <amazoniantoad> same thing as rm -rf /
[21:58] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: please keep it to ubuntu support here. there's ##linux for other linux distros.
[21:58] <amazoniantoad> sorry
[21:58] <tomreyn> thanks
[21:59] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, just looked it up. Perhaps, once i'm more confident in my cli ability that actually might be a good idea but i'm prone to a 1/100 error when typing commands. Perhaps that one will be shelved for now
[21:59] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, Thank you none the less
[22:02] <JonHanDin> Another quick question - I run rkhunter and tiger. Anything else anyone would recommend?
[22:02] <amazoniantoad> idk what those are
[22:03] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, rkhunter (rootkit hunter) - tiger (system auditor)
[22:03] <ahi2> i had to go to my recovery mode and drop to root shell. Root didn't ask me for a password. Isn't that not secure?
[22:04] <amazoniantoad> JonHanDin, can I pm you
[22:04] <JonHanDin> amazoniantoad, feel free
[22:05] <tomreyn> ahi2: it is not a higher security risk than someone taking the hdds with themselves or copying them
[22:06] <ahi2> kind of defeats the purpose of logging in no?
[22:07] <tomreyn> logging in may be possible remotely, may enable direct access to your possibly encrypted (with an encryption key derived from the login password) home directory.
[22:08] <tomreyn> ahi2: if you want to protect the system against physical attacks while data is at rest, use full disk encryption
[22:09] <ahi2> i use a hard drive password
[22:09] <tomreyn> (and think about how you'll prevent evil maid attacks)
[22:09] <tomreyn> OPAL then?
[22:09] <ahi2> in the bios
[22:10] <tomreyn> "in the bios" doesn't say much about how it works, or whether it's something you should rely on.
[22:11] <ahi2> when i turn the laptop on itasks me for a password. then another one in lightdm
[22:13] <tomreyn> so this could just be a bios password preventing the computer from booting until a matching passphrase is entered, but not encrypting disks. or it could be OPAL, which can be ok or completely useless depending on the implementation.
[22:14] <ahi2> not encrypted. anyway i keep my data on a usb drive not on the laptop
[22:14] <Synaptic> hello, any guide how to install  a bluetooth pci card  rt3290 , found many guides online but i would like to follow the official one
[22:14] <tomreyn> we're a bit off-topic here, though, since none of this is about ubuntu (except for the software full disk encryption).
[22:14] <Synaptic> or maybe to know wich kernel support this hardware starting from..
[22:14] <Synaptic> thank you
[22:17] <tomreyn> Synaptic: the best thing you can do is try the latest !LTS release without and with !HWE and see whether it works there, also running   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller'  | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:18] <Synaptic> !lts
[22:18] <Synaptic> !hwe 3290
[22:21] <tomreyn> !hwe | Synaptic
[22:22] <tomreyn> from what i just read, it's supported since Linux 4.13. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS comes with Linux 4.15 by default.
[22:22] <Synaptic> for wifi maybe
[22:22] <Synaptic> not for bt
[22:23] <tomreyn> did you try?
[22:24] <jeremy31> Synaptic: I am not sure bluetooth on the rt3290 has worked since the 4.4 kernel
[22:24] <Synaptic> iwill try
[22:24] <Synaptic> right now im on 4.10
[22:24] <Synaptic> i believe..
[22:24] <jeremy31> Synaptic: 4.10 is no longer supported
[22:25] <tomreyn> there's no suppported ubuntu release with this kernel, maybe you'Re running something else.
[22:25] <Synaptic> im on deb
[22:25] <Synaptic> right now
[22:25] <Synaptic> but i was wondering if updating kernel 4.19 will solve my problem
[22:25] <Synaptic> i was checking the changelog for all kernel, but didnt find nothing about this 3290
[22:25] <tomreyn> we only support ubuntu here, and ubuntu kernels.
[22:25] <jeremy31> Synaptic: not with rt3290 bluetooth IIRC
[23:56] <arooni> can i get unattended updates to work for things that arent secruity updates?


[05:08] <Lomion> I have heard that Unity is not released under the GPL.
[05:08] <Lomion> Does this mean that Ubuntu is becoming less free?
[05:08] <holstein> hey Lomion
[05:08] <Lomion> hi
[05:09] <holstein> ubuntustudio is not planning on adopting unity anytime soon
[05:09] <holstein> lets not go on what we've 'heard' though
[05:10] <holstein> let me see if i can dig up the license on unity
[05:10] <Lomion> I'm doing the same.
[05:10] <holstein> ubuntu is not really an exclusive 'open source' project though
[05:10] <ailo_at> Unity is subject to Canonical's contributor agreement, requiring contributors to assign copyright to Canonical, and potentially allowing Canonical to release it under a different license
[05:10] <ailo_at> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_%28desktop_environment%29
[05:11] <holstein> free as in you dont have to pay for it
[05:11] <ailo_at> This is the license, I believe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical%27s_contributor_agreement
[05:11] <ailo_at> Ever heard of open core? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_core
[05:12] <holstein> not yet
[05:12]  * holstein looking
[05:13] <ailo_at> Seems like MySQL has a similar license
[05:13] <holstein> ubuntu never really set out to be 'free'
[05:14] <Lomion> That's what I thought. I don't like that Canonical can claim ownership of contributed code.
[05:14] <holstein> just a viable desktop platform
[05:14] <holstein> eh, you can choose not to contribute to that project
[05:14] <persia> Um, careful.
[05:14] <persia> Unity *is* GPL.
[05:15] <holstein> im ok with it as long as its not hidden
[05:15] <persia> But upstream doesn't accept patches unless someone signs an agreement.
[05:15] <persia> OpenOffice used to do that, and now there is LibreOffice.
[05:15] <persia> No idea if that will happen with Unity, but don't fear it just because of that, unless you have a patch that you don't want to give to upstream, and can't get applied any other way.
[05:16] <holstein> persia: you think this is more for quality control?
[05:16] <persia> I don't speculate as to why upstream has that condition.
[05:16] <persia> But I don't think it's appropriate to claim that it's not GPL when it is.
[05:16] <holstein> hehe, thats a safe answer :)
[05:17] <Lomion> persia: exactly.
[05:18] <persia> Lomion, And to address your other concern: Ubuntu isn't any less free, nor is it likely to get that way (if nothing else, it would break commitments to mirror providers).
[05:18] <persia> That it may be slightly more difficult to send patches upstream for some packages is also nothing new: we've been dealing with that with firefox for a long time, and have similar issues with other packages.
[05:19] <Lomion> I've been reading
[05:20] <Lomion> That's true. I've been reading a lot about Canonical's contributor agreement, and also about their eventual adoption of Wayland, which is also not released under GPL.
[05:21] <Lomion> I'm starting to question how free Ubuntu will be in the future.
[05:21] <holstein> yeah?
[05:21] <holstein> you mean, cost?
[05:21] <persia> There's *heaps* of software in Ubuntu not under the GPL.
[05:21] <holstein> or 'free' ?
[05:21] <Lomion> I mean 'free'
[05:21] <persia> But everything meets the Ubuntu free software guidelines.
[05:21] <holstein> yeah, i dont think it will get more or less free
[05:21] <persia> Don't fuss about titles.
[05:22] <holstein> the cost should stay the same
[05:22] <holstein> since the commercial efforts to make money are different than selling it
[05:22] <holstein> with the software store and ubuntone
[05:22] <persia> From what I see, Wayland used to be under the MIT license (as is the xorg stack we use today), and may be moving to LGPL.
[05:23] <persia> Nothing there to fear.
[05:23] <persia> holstein, Lots of folk sell Ubuntu: nothing prevents that (and, in fact, if any software is licensed in a way that limits sales, it is considered non-free)
[05:24] <Lomion> persia: really?
[05:24] <persia> Lomion, Yes.
[05:25] <holstein> persia: ture
[05:25] <holstein> true*
[05:25] <Lomion> I thought only the media (CD, usb drive, etc) that contain Ubuntu could be sold...not the actual software.
[05:25] <persia> Lomion, The "Wayland is no longer GPL" noise seems to come from a change to some of the utilities from GPL to LGPL.  Nothing to concern most folk.
[05:25] <persia> No, all the software can be sold.  Mind you, lots of people give it away free, so one has to have an edge to be able to sell it.
[05:26] <persia> I bought a copy of Ubuntu on one of my laptops.  I know a company that charges 15 USD to install it on a server if you get one from them (you can install it yourself for nothing, but some folk like convenience).
[05:26] <Lomion> persia, I didn't realize. I thought it was still under the MIT license.
[05:27] <persia> Lomion, I might be entirely wrong about Wayland: the sum of my knowledge is based on http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODgxNQ
[05:27] <persia> But I very much doubt there is anything to be concerned about, and I'm very sure that Ubuntu isn't going to get less free.
[05:28] <persia> Oh, regarding selling Ubuntu: there's a trademark restriction: you can only sell Ubuntu if you don't change it: if you change it, you have to call it something else, or get permission from Canonical.
[05:28] <Lomion> That makes sense.
[05:28] <persia> Most folk work around that by applying patches as part of Ubuntu before it releases, so it doesn't matter much if one is cooperative.
[05:29] <persia> Yeah: it's a quality control thing: nobody wants someone to claim they are giving away "Ubuntu" and have it be something else.
[05:30] <Lomion> I just tested 11.04 this evening...quite impressive. I don't like Unity so far, but there's still an option to use the traditional gnome desktop.
[05:31] <persia> Studio will default to the traditional desktop for 11.04
[05:31] <persia> Plus, there's Kubuntu or Xubuntu, if you want something different.
[05:31] <Lomion> True. I havn't used KDE since 4.0 was released, but I think it's got a lot better since then.
[05:37] <persia> Oh, regarding "only the media can be sold": in the case where someone is requesting the source code for Ubuntu, and doesn't want to download it, it is permitted to charge for the media, but not for the source code.
[05:37] <persia> Basically, if you give/sell someone the software, you can't withhold the source: required for freedom, but doesn't block sales of the software in the first place.
[20:46] <ailo_at> Well, after recent comments on the jack mail list, I am once again of the opinion that we should not have memlock unlimited.
[21:54] <holstein> ailo: doesnt need to be unlimited right?
[21:55] <ailo> holstein: No. In the original UbuntuStudio controls you can choose the amoung in percents.
[21:55] <ailo> amount*
[21:55] <holstein> im with you ailo
[21:56] <holstein> i know you've been doing research and testing
[21:56] <ailo> Not so much on this subject. I've never had any problems to my knowledge, but it seems some people have had.
[21:56] <ailo> Hard to say sometimes what a crash is about
[21:57] <ailo> Especially when one doesn't care too find out ::)
[21:57] <holstein> yeah
[21:57] <holstein> or just not sure how to find out
[21:57] <holstein> tracking these errors down can be a lot of work
[21:58] <holstein> needs to be done though
[21:58] <ailo> I guess it would be a good practice to learn what logs to look inside and ask others about the crash if it's hard to figure out
[21:58] <holstein> ailo: app crashes?
[21:59] <holstein> or jack crashes?
[21:59] <holstein> im pretty sure i havent had any issues
[21:59] <holstein> i used to follow the 64studio settings though
[21:59] <holstein> which were not unlimited
[21:59] <ailo> I've had some system freezes that very well could have been caused by something like the memlock thing
[22:00] <holstein> ailo: what are you setting memlock at now?
[22:00] <ailo> I have the standard settings created when installing jack
[22:01] <ailo> It's been a while since I had a total system freeze
[22:01] <ailo> Probably a year ago
[22:01] <ailo> Or more
[22:01] <holstein> yeah
[22:01] <holstein> i havent seen that since some other machine
[22:01] <holstein> years ago
[22:02] <ailo> It won't hurt to minimize the memlock to something like 75%, so I think we should change the default value to something like that.


[22:24] <wallyworld> thumper: moaning... you would just love to start monday with a review, i just know it https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7728
[22:24] <thumper> morning
[22:25]  * thumper looks