[12:21] <seele> pinheiro, kwwii: ping
[12:21] <pinheiro> hi seaLne
[12:21] <pinheiro> hi seele
[12:21] <pinheiro> :P
[12:21] <seele> hey
[12:21] <seele> i have an artistic challenge for you
[12:21] <pinheiro> hherhhehee
[12:21] <seele> what kind of web color scheme can you come up with for #800100
[12:22] <seele> what colors go with red, other than black and white?
[12:22] <seele> _dark_ red, for that matter
[12:22] <pinheiro> this is not red
[12:22] <pinheiro> its green
[12:22] <seele> #800100 hex is green?
[12:22] <pinheiro> yep
[12:22] <kwwii> seele: pong
[12:23] <kwwii> red goes well with orange and yellow
[12:23] <kwwii> :-)
[12:23] <seele> kwwii: even a dark red?
[12:23] <kwwii> yepp
[12:23] <seele> pinheiro: i just checked the hex and its dark red
[12:23] <pinheiro> thre is a trick to find colors
[12:23] <seele> r:128 g:1 b:0
[12:23] <kwwii> sure
[12:24] <kwwii> it has lots of red
[12:24] <kwwii> a little g
[12:24] <kwwii> and no blue
[12:24] <kwwii> exactly
[12:24] <kwwii> seele: there is a program where one can make a color scheme based on one color
[12:25] <kwwii> david has one
[12:25] <pinheiro> seele:  go to the weel
[12:25] <seele> kwwii: high saturation on the orange or yellow?
[12:25] <kwwii> I think there are also website
[12:25] <pinheiro> the other corner of the tiangle always go nicly
[12:25] <kwwii> seele: the darker the red, the less saturation you want, I gues
[12:25] <kwwii> s
[12:25] <kwwii> although the yellow could have more saturation
[12:26] <kwwii> to be honest, unless I actually look at the color and play around with it I cannot tell you a definitive ansewr
[12:26] <kwwii> erm
[12:26] <kwwii> answer
[12:26] <pinheiro> well thare are lodas of colors that go well with this red the question is more what is the message an the style of the site
[12:26] <seele> kwwii: thats ok, this is better than me trying and making someone puke
[12:27] <kwwii> lol
[12:27] <kwwii> there are some purples, and blues that would go well with that too
[12:27] <kwwii> it also depends on how you use the colors
[12:27] <seele> pinheiro: #800100 is my company's color, and they have charged me with refreshing our website
[12:27] <kwwii> and what they are for
[12:27] <pinheiro> yea?
[12:28] <pinheiro> the global message?
[12:28] <kwwii> I just bought a sweater with blue, orange, purple, and red in it
[12:28] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:28] <seele> pinheiro: e-business card -- human factors and usability design
[12:28] <pinheiro> thats not a message :)
[12:28] <kwwii> seele: if you send us an example of where/how it is used I am sure we could help more
[12:29] <kwwii> a graphical example
[12:29] <seele> http://www.obso1337.org/ucd/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/logo.gif
[12:29] <seele> thats our logo
[12:29] <kwwii> oh, you could use several colors in that
[12:29] <kwwii> in fact, I would not suggest just using red orange and yellow
[12:30] <pinheiro> heven redo the intire stuf :P
[12:30] <kwwii> you need three dark color for that
[12:30] <seele> pinheiro: lol.. were not a design company, were just a bunch of people-engineers ;)
[12:30] <kwwii> that would make it stand out much more and allow for a more universal design
[12:30] <seele> well.. design, but not in the graphical sense
[12:30] <seele> kwwii: like dark teal or something? (i see it opposite of red on the color wheel)
[12:30] <kwwii> I would almost use the dark red, a dark blue and a dark green for that
[12:30] <kwwii> yeah
[12:31] <kwwii> complimentary colors for a logo are good
[12:31] <pinheiro> the frist thing that you need to think is what is our message? (what image we want to give of  ourselfs)
[12:31] <seele> pinheiro: our tag like is "Making technology easy to use"
[12:31] <seele> *tag line
[12:32] <pinheiro> there is a difrence betwind message and content ;)
[12:32] <kwwii> if you want to keep is very serious, use that logo and add a dark orange and dark yellow for other parts (the lighter the color, the less you use it)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> seele!!!
[12:32] <seele> Hobbsee: hihi!
[12:33] <kwwii> I wish I could say hihi as man and still be taken seriously
[12:33] <kwwii> :p
[12:33] <pinheiro> the content of an issurance companie is the the insurance is great couse its sooo good
[12:33] <seele> kwwii: ok.  that sounds edgey, but i will take your advice and try it
[12:33] <pinheiro> the message is that we are trustworthy
[12:33] <kwwii> seele: I could help more tomorrow, going to bed soon here
[12:33] <seele> kwwii: you could say heyhey and be like fat albert :)
[12:33] <seele> kwwii: no problem
[12:33] <kwwii> well, I am fat enough as it is
[12:33] <kwwii> trying to stay away from that metaphor
[12:34] <kwwii> :p
[12:34] <seele> i was just snagging some advice from two of the best graphics guys i know ;)
[12:34] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:34] <seele> kwwii: haha.. youre european now.. its hard for you to be FAT
[12:34] <kwwii> lol, I wish
[12:34] <seele> kwwii: youre fat is our normal
[12:34] <kwwii> now that is downright mean
[12:34] <pinheiro> you normal american :)
[12:35] <kwwii> pinheiro: no, not any more
[12:35] <kwwii> believe me
[12:35] <pinheiro> i know you got thin
[12:35] <kwwii> my wife is amazed
[12:35] <Hobbsee> seele: :)
[12:35] <pinheiro> so i have heard
[12:35] <kwwii> slowly getting back to normal
[12:35] <kwwii> anyway
[12:35] <kwwii> time for me to sleep
[12:35] <seele> l8rs
[12:35] <seele> Hobbsee: how are you?
[12:36] <kwwii> well, time to test one more thing, and then I will sleep, brb
[12:36] <kwwii> restarting my system
[12:36] <Hobbsee> seele: good - linux conf au open day was here yesterday, so that was cool :)
[12:36] <pinheiro> seele for this color i would advice you some non to saturated colors but the disign is more important
[12:36] <pinheiro> i used this color once in a design
[12:36] <pinheiro> letme see if i can find it
[12:37] <seele> Hobbsee: yeah, ive been seeing lots of linuxchix posts about it
[12:37] <seele> pinheiro: that would be cool
[12:37] <seele> pinheiro: i've made wireframes, but now they want me to put graphics and color in it -- i am far from being a visual designer
[12:37] <seele> my first go was black, red, and white.  very flat
[12:38] <pinheiro> yea ita flat color
[12:38] <Hobbsee> seele: :)
[12:38] <pinheiro> its also a romantic color
[12:38] <pinheiro> so you cna folow that path
[12:38] <pinheiro> or you can go for the energie path of it
[12:38] <seele> hmm..
[12:38] <pinheiro> couse its red
[12:39] <pinheiro> letme find the design
[12:39] <pinheiro> found it
[12:43] <pinheiro> seele: http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figjr3.png
[12:43] <pinheiro> ita a realy old design
[12:44] <pinheiro> put the messege was solid professional yet acessible
[12:44] <kwwii> pinheiro has a very good point, if you want to be very serious, use black aa a main color, it accents the dark red well
[12:44] <pinheiro> well that was my intention
[12:44] <kwwii> s/aa/as
[12:44] <seele> kwwii: go to bed!
[12:45] <kwwii> yeah
[12:45] <seele> lol
[12:45] <kwwii> well, I had to restart my x-server to see if my tablet works
[12:45] <kwwii> now I am going to bed
[12:45] <pinheiro> does it works now?
[12:45] <seele> pinheiro: ah, i see what you mean
[12:45] <seele> yes, i was trying to use too much of the red
[12:45] <kwwii> nope
[12:45] <seele> i should instead use it as an accent
[12:45] <kwwii> works like shit
[12:45] <pinheiro> hehehhe
[12:45] <kwwii> I am done for tongiht then
[12:46] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[12:46] <pinheiro> yea seele dont use red as the main color red is not a min color
[12:46] <pinheiro> main
[12:46] <pinheiro> its a to strong color with to strog meening
[12:46] <seele> yes, i bet that is my problem
[12:47] <pinheiro> like its nice to have a wall painted red
[12:47] <pinheiro> but dont paint your house
[12:47] <seele> hehe
[12:47] <pinheiro> any way time for bed haswell
[12:47] <seele> 'night
[12:48] <seele> thanks for the help :)
[12:48] <pinheiro> there are lost of colors taht go well ith that clasic red
[12:48] <pinheiro> lost = lots
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm patching knetworkconf tu support feisty
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: the patch is there but it doesn't work, I'm prompted to choose the system at launch and feisty isn't there
[01:03] <Tonio_> hum the patch doesn't apply for some reason..... I'm trying to fix
[01:17] <allee> Riddell: there no UI translations in the (german) language pack.   Known misfeature, that fixes itself, or a bug?
[01:21] <allee> mhmm, I only found 3.5.6 for edgy on kubuntu.org.  I thought feisty pkgs were done first. Where are they?
[01:25] <allee> ^^ found repo in irc logs
[01:53] <jeroenvrp> I try to find the list of versionnumbers of the applications in feisty - does anyone know where I find that?1
[01:53] <jeroenvrp> !
[01:53] <crimsun> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:54] <crimsun> alternately, use that in combination with apt-cache and/or launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/
[01:54] <jeroenvrp> thanks crimsun
[01:55] <crimsun> the archive itself is definitive; lp offers a presentation of it; packages.uc may be slightly out of date due to update lag
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> ok thanks
[01:58] <jeroenvrp> I'm wondering if I should update from edgy to feisty now or in a month or so
[02:33] <Tonio__> Riddell: knetworkconf fixed, I'll also reupload adept since there is a file conflict issue between adept-notifier and adept-common
[02:33] <Tonio__> Riddell: I let the file in adept-common since notifier depends on it via -updater, and since all icons are already in -common
[02:46] <manchicken> Is Feisty really going to put binary drivers on by default?
[03:22] <manchicken> All dead here ^_^
[03:48] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm cool helping you out with your adept tasks.  I'm hoping that I can get this bzr thing to work though.
[03:49] <manchicken> Riddell: I think I'll need some help getting the image into the deb though.
[03:53] <ryanakca> manchicken: http://pastebin.ca/321127 :)
[03:54] <ryanakca> manchicken: nevermind :)
[04:05] <manchicken> SWEET!  I got stuff committing to bazaar!
[04:07] <manchicken> Anybody know if there's a vc bazaar module?
[04:23] <manchicken> Wow, creating branches takes a LONG time.
[04:27] <Mez> Riddell: around ?
[04:31] <manchicken> Mez: Do you know I can add notes to a spec's wiki page without compromising the approved status of the spec?
[04:31] <Mez> *shrugsa*
[04:40] <manchicken> You're no fun anymore.
[05:29] <manchicken> It's interesting that you've gotta give --enable-adept to the configure script in order to get it to build.  heh
[05:47] <manchicken> Anybody have a reproducible way to test adept_batch?
[05:47] <manchicken> Perhaps some test cases?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: ping
[06:09] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[06:10] <Hobbsee> heya ajmitch
[06:11] <manchicken> Hobbsee!!!  Where do we hide the test cases?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> manchicken: the test cases?
[06:11] <manchicken> I need to figure out how to reliably test adept_batch.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> dunno.  oh wiat
[06:12] <Hobbsee> manchicken: amarok uses adept_batch, to install libxine-extracodecs
[06:12] <Hobbsee> if you purge that from your system, then restart amarok, it'll give you that prompt again
[06:12] <manchicken> Okay.
[06:13] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: did riddell finish the packages ?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: dunno, they seem to be there
[06:15] <Hobbsee> adept is reporting bugs, although i think that might have been from a previous update
[06:15] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: if it's the file conflict I fixed that a couple of hours ago
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: the .png file?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> probably just nto published to mirrors yet
[06:16] <Tonio__> yup
[06:16] <manchicken> Okay...
[06:16] <manchicken> So I can just call adept_batch like apt...
[06:17] <Tonio__> manchicken: yeah
[06:17] <manchicken> Groovy.
[06:18] <manchicken> That makes it much easier to test.
[06:19] <manchicken> nighty night.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> jdong: finally some sense!
[06:26] <jdong> Hobbsee: what's that supposed to mean? ;-)
[06:26] <mhb> good morning
[06:27] <jdong> Hobbsee: I become more reasonable when I can see evidence of thought and progress :)
[06:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: that bug report
[06:27] <mhb> especially Hobbsee, who poked me
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!  what state is the testing team in?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:28] <jdong> Ohio?
[06:30] <mhb> yeah, Ohio, the fontconfig-was-kinda-broken-thus-waiting-for-the-next-testcd-with-advertising state
[06:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:39] <jdong> which is the madwifi-oopses-on-load-so-I-cant-effin-install-herd-2 state?
[06:39] <jdong> ;-)
[06:39] <jdong> and YES, Hobbsee, there is a bug report filed :P
[06:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:40] <jdong> and no, I'm not a kernel developer and can't write the patch :)
[06:43] <rideout> Hobbsee: did you get 3.5.6 from kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-test/ ?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[06:43] <Hobbsee> rideout: i've got them from ^
[06:44] <yuriy> ooh sounds fun, need any help testing those?
[06:44] <rideout> Hobbsee: i'll have to wait, I'm still on edgy ... but maybe now is a good time start testing feisty
[06:44] <Hobbsee> rideout: could be...could indeed be :)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> rideout: assuming it boots, it's fine
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mostly
[06:49] <yuriy> what compositor is planned for kubuntu feisty?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> heya yuriy
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yuriy: probably none
[06:51] <yuriy> oh :\ i thought that was one of the big features planned for feisty
[06:52] <Hobbsee> in ubuntu it is.
[06:52] <Hobbsee> havent you seen how dodgy beryl is on kubuntu?
[06:53] <yuriy> Hobbsee: only issues I have with it is the desktop pager doesn't work and hibernate/suspend don't work
[06:53] <yuriy> and the  latter isn't kde specific afaik
[06:53] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you havent mentioned aquamarine
[06:53] <Hobbsee> but yeah, pager is the biggest thing i noted
[06:54] <yuriy> Hobbsee: well, i've been using emerald with a clone of the edgy theme. so i guess that's kind of cheating
[06:54] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> yuriy: that is, yes.  it needs to stay looking like kubuntu
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hrm.  guess it does...but still
[06:55] <Hobbsee> it stops you using all of the kde themes, etc, unless there's a clone already done
[06:56] <yuriy> yup, i understand. hmm i should give aquamarine a try anyways i guess
[06:56] <chavo> yes aquamarine is working now
[06:57] <Hobbsee> chavo: oh nice!  it kept sigseiving on me before
[06:57] <yuriy> too bad xcompmgr/kompmgr are still glitchier than beryl. but i guess they're obsolete now
[06:57] <chavo> It does on Crystal, but not other windecos for me
[06:57] <Hobbsee> well, kde 4 is built on that stuff, iir
[06:57] <Hobbsee> c
[07:00] <yuriy> on aquamarine now
[07:00] <yuriy> oh and actually the most annoying problem i have with beryl is the black windows bug
[07:01] <chavo> never saw that one
[07:03] <yuriy> chavo: what driver? it might be an nvidia specific problem. basically it runs out of memory or something and starts showing blank windows, usually remedied by closing some windows
[07:03] <chavo> yuriy, nvidia here too
[07:04] <firephoto> i get white wobbly windows here with beryl, i810 w/ G965 chip.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> it worries me that feisty people seem to be getting white windows with beryl
[07:07] <yuriy> hmm haven't seen that one, maybe an intel thing
[07:07] <yuriy> heh nvidia = black, intel = white
[07:07] <Hobbsee> heaps of people were reporting it
[07:08] <firephoto> i've read that it's fixed if you get the stars lined up right and built xorg/mesa/whatever in the right order. ;)
[07:08] <yuriy> i forgot, which one is ubuntu using?
[07:09] <yuriy> ah there's the sigsegv
[07:10] <yuriy> after switching windecos a few times
[07:14] <Tonio__> bzr is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[07:14] <Tonio__> I getting nuts with it and kds
[07:15] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio__
[07:16] <Tonio__> hey Hobbsee :)
[07:16] <Tonio__> 7am here and still not to bed...... shame on me
[07:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:19] <Mez> Tonio__, It seems there are huge issues with kxmame
[07:19] <Mez> I was trying to update it to make a depend on a mame emulator
[07:19] <Mez> and it all went horribly wrong
[07:19] <Tonio__> Mez: yeah I know that was on my plans....
[07:20] <Tonio__> Mez: I'm an emulation super-specialist so unless you really want to do it, please let me that pleasure :)
[07:20] <Mez> Tonio__, go for it
[07:20] <Mez> it was just something I noticed :D
[07:20] <Tonio__> Mez: I did the www.planetemu.net website, so....
[07:20] <Tonio__> ;)
[07:21] <Tonio__> I'm doing this in the next hour once kds is uploaded
[07:21] <Mez> lol
[07:21] <Mez> kk
[07:24] <Tonio__> Mez: the point is that my package worked with dapper, maybe just kxmame isn't compatible with latest xmame versions....
[07:25] <Mez> Tonio__, it's extremely foerked up ;)
[07:25] <Tonio__> what ? kxmame ?
[07:30] <Tonio__> Mez: ah it works......
[07:30] <Tonio__> Mez: what is the problem ?
[07:31] <Tonio__> the point is just that it doesn't find the executable by default, but I can patch this
[07:31] <Tonio__> appart from that, it is okay
[07:31] <Mez> Tonio__, try re-building it
[07:32] <Mez> it doesnt find an executable by default cause one isnt installed
[07:32] <Mez> then you try and build - and it alll goes weird
[07:32] <Tonio__> Mez: yeah I installed xmame-x and set the path to it
[07:32] <Tonio__> I could rebuild the games list
[07:32] <Tonio__> no issues
[07:33] <Tonio__> okay let's try a good rom :) shadow dancer !
[07:33] <kwwii> moin Tonio__
[07:33] <Tonio__> hey ken :)
[07:33] <Mez> Tonio__, I mean as in rebuild the binary
[07:33] <Mez> the buildd's rejected it twice
[07:35] <Tonio__> Mez: ah okay I'll do that
[07:35] <Tonio__> the crappy point is that it is a kde app but with qt dialogs :)
[07:35] <Tonio__> ugly isn't it ? :)
[07:35] <Mez> ;)
[07:35] <Mez> I cant be bothered to find a good source for roms
[07:36] <Tonio__> Mez: I have 200 000 roms on my website
[07:36] <Mez> link ? :P
[07:36] <Tonio__> www.planetemu.net
[07:36] <Mez> pay to download? ?
[07:36] <Tonio__> but it's one file per download, sorry :)
[07:36] <Tonio__> Mez: no, but the site has adds
[07:37] <Mez> Tonio__, cant you make me a zip ? :P
[07:37] <Tonio__> well it works
[07:37] <Tonio__> Mez: want ftp access ? :)
[07:37] <Mez> if that would be allowed :P
[07:37] <Tonio__> for you I can do it
[07:38] <Tonio__> just tell me the login/pass you want (notice) and I'm building the account
[07:39] <Mez> lol
[07:39] <Tonio_> what the f**k !!!!
[07:39] <Tonio_> launching a game closed my kde session :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> that's pretty horrible !
[07:40] <Mez> lol
[07:40] <Mez> Tonio_, out of curiosity, I can seem to find a download link
[07:40] <Mez> just articles
[07:40] <Tonio_> Mez: on the right, click on Mame
[07:41] <Tonio_> then you'll see the ROMS section, go there, and everything is in it
[07:41] <Mez> nvm me
[07:41] <Tonio_> in the set MAME (CHD & Samples excluded)
[07:41] <Tonio_> yeah that's french sorry :)
[07:41] <Tonio_> I receive about 100 complains a day that the wensite isn't in english :)
[07:42] <Tonio_> ho and fyi download will not work with konqueror
[07:42] <Mez> Tonio_, it's no problem -0 I understand french :D
[07:42] <Mez> Tonio_, I use FF
[07:42] <Mez> and where do I save them to ?
[07:42] <Tonio_> I just changed the download script and it needs fixing since it is a bit complex :)
[07:42] <Tonio_> uses proftpd-mysql etc...
[07:43] <Tonio_> I try to avoid leechers
[07:43] <Mez> my god
[07:43] <Mez> thats scary
[07:43] <Mez> windows style open dialog
[07:44] <Tonio_> that's qt
[07:44] <Tonio_> qt ressemble windows a lot
[07:44] <Tonio_> Mez: but the rest of the app is based on kdelibs :)
[07:45] <Tonio_> that's completly stupid
[07:45] <Mez> lol
[07:46] <yuriy> i wanted to see if it's the same dialog i'm used to with opera, and it is
[07:46] <Tonio_> Mez: should be okay via ftp://planetemu.net
[07:46] <Tonio_> Mez: the binary is in /usr/games
[07:47] <yuriy> at least this thing can be patched by someone concerned... too bad i don't see opera putting in kde dialogs in the future
[07:49] <Tonio_> heh, mez just launched a game, looks like ;)
[07:49] <Tonio_> [07:49]  <Tonio_> heh, mez just launched a game, looks like ;)
[07:49] <Tonio_> Mez: have you been disconnected by the program ?
[07:50] <Mez> hmm
[07:50] <Mez> when I set the path of Xmame
[07:50] <Mez> all not exactly
[07:50] <Mez> when i set the path for Xmame
[07:50] <Mez> it just
[07:50] <Mez> gave me a blank completely unresponsive screen (but my KDE was runnning cause i could still hear my amarok in the BG)
[07:51] <Tonio_> hum, I didn't have that issue
[07:51] <Tonio_> I can launch a game, but kde get closed and the game launches..... very strange....
[07:51] <Tonio_> I wonder if that's a xmame issue or kxmame one.... I'm testing
[07:51] <Tonio_> maybe xmame-x isn't the version to use
[07:53] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm testing with xmame-sdl
[07:54] <Mez> ok, so where do I save my games?
[07:54] <Mez> ok, apparentlyu i have 6166 gamnes available
[07:54] <Tonio_> Mez: no that's the list of existing games
[07:55] <Mez> lol
[07:55] <Tonio_> you have to download a rom and then pick up the folder in the config, then rescan
[07:55] <Mez> where do i install games to ?
[07:55] <Tonio_> and behind available you'll see your roms
[07:55] <Mez> what was that ftp url again ?
[07:55] <Tonio_> Mez: install them where you want, and configure kxmame to scan in that folder
[07:55] <Tonio_> ftp://planetemu.net
[07:56] <Mez> Message sent:
[07:56] <Mez> Login using username=mez and password=[hidden]
[07:56] <Mez> Server replied:
[07:56] <Mez> 530 Login incorrect.
[07:56] <Mez> Do you want to retry?
[07:56] <Tonio_> yeah I have to retype password, copy/paste failed....
[07:56] <Mez> lol
[07:58] <Mez> Tonio_, poke me when done
[07:58] <Mez> going to get cigs
[08:00] <Tonio_> rahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I unpluged my router......
[08:00] <Tonio_> okay let's finish the config
[08:00] <Tonio_> Mez: sorry ;)
[08:00] <Tonio_> <Anonymous /home/roms>
[08:00] <Tonio_>         User                    mdz
[08:00] <Tonio_> that's when I'm reaaaaaaaaaaaaally tired
[08:01] <Tonio_> interesting, proftpd reload argument fails.....
[08:02] <Tonio_> Mez: works this time
[08:03] <Tonio_> Mez: okay the problem with the package is a classic issue
[08:03] <Tonio_> we had the same with kde for a very long time, and there is a common fix
[08:03] <Tonio_> that's a problem with linux-kernel headers
[08:04] <Tonio_> but the ben claims that's kde's fault while the kde guys claim that's a kernel issue.....
[08:04] <Tonio_> okay I'm patching this
[08:05] <Mez> w00t
[08:05] <Mez> thats my first time I've walked home on auto-pilot
[08:05] <Mez> lol
[08:05] <Mez> oh wow
[08:05] <Mez> MSX stuff ?
[08:06] <kwwii> wow, my son has no school today because of the storm last night
[08:07] <kwwii> amazing
[08:09] <yuriy> storm? lucky. we just have a little bit of slush on the ground
[08:10] <kwwii> yuriy: yeah, in germany there was quite a storm last night
[08:10] <kwwii> although it was not so bad here, really
[08:11] <kwwii> now I have to watch my son - so much for working
[08:11] <yuriy> i think we were/are supposed to have some sort of storm this week. haven't seen much of it, though it did finally get cold
[08:11] <kwwii> lol, you can tell people from northern climates
[08:11] <kwwii> the germans are all complainin that it is not cold yet
[08:11] <kwwii> while I am happy that it is still warm
[08:13] <kwwii> looks like my imap server kills kmail
[08:13] <yuriy> heh. my professor today said we could have class outside when it gets over 20 (implying C), I suggested she should mean F
[08:13] <kwwii> ;-(
[08:13] <kwwii> lol
[08:14] <kwwii> moin Lure
[08:14] <Lure> kwwii: hi!
[08:14] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that's normal
[08:15] <yuriy> ktorrent has been downloading the same chunk over and over for the last 20 minutes :( oh well time to sleep
[08:15] <kwwii> Hobbsee: well, it has been working until now, but for some reason it hates me this morning
[08:15] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ahh, so you dont get hit by the "randomly select a message, and it crashes" bug
[08:16] <kwwii> Hobbsee: nope, it just continually shows a progress bar that is flipping out - the mails are there but they keep flickering
[08:16] <Hobbsee> weird
[08:16] <kwwii> I think it cannot handle so many mails
[08:16] <kwwii> just moved to my wonderfull new laptop
[08:17] <Lure> kwwii: how many mails?
[08:18] <kwwii> a few thousand i guess
[08:18] <Lure> imap or disconnected imap?
[08:18] <Lure> kwwii: I use disconnected imap on MS Exchange and in handles 4000 mails in folder w/o problems
[08:18] <kwwii> I tried disconnected imap yesterday and that worked for a while but this morning no more...so I tried normal imap and now it hates me
[08:18] <Lure> Hobbsee: where is 3.5.6?
[08:19] <Lure> normal imap is slow - that is why toma wrote mailody
[08:19] <Lure> kwwii: actually you may like mailody
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[08:19] <kwwii> Lure: never heard of it...is it a kde app?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping when you get here
[08:20] <Lure> kwwii: www.mailody.net - it is still in development, also has some nice concepts and it is *way* faster than kmail
[08:20] <Lure> kwwii: it has only imap/smtp support (no pop yet)
[08:21] <kwwii> well, then it is halfway there for me
[08:21] <kwwii> I have two pop accounts as well
[08:21] <Lure> kwwii: same for me ;-)
[08:21] <kwwii> I thought about trying thunderbird
[08:21] <Lure> kwwii: I thought Hobbsee uses thunderbird, no?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: i do
[08:22] <Lure> kwwii: so you will have at least first class supoort ;-)
[08:22] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[08:22] <kwwii> lol, even better
[08:26] <kwwii> uck, thunderbird looks so ugly
[08:26] <kwwii> works well though
[08:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii: beta 1 is quite nice.  beta 2 is out next week or something
[08:29] <Hobbsee> or they freeze next week, and release the beta 2 after that
[08:29] <Hobbsee> dont quite remember
[08:29] <kwwii> cool
[08:29] <kwwii> acutally, I am tired of continually updating my software
[08:30] <kwwii> it is almost worse than MS
[08:30] <Hobbsee> true...i only do it for those two, and theyv'e got an autoupdater if i remember to run it
[08:30] <Hobbsee> (seeing as it doesnt normally run as root)
[08:30] <kwwii> torsten rahn (tackat) fell asleep on his once and every now and then he would say things like slkfkfjsalkjfsakjgaskgjlsakghdslhgfhdflkhfdsahlhs
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:32] <kwwii> ahhaaaa...I think the problem is not with kmail, but with my server
[08:47] <kwwii> lol, it put all my mail in the trash
[08:58] <Hobbsee> kwwii: smart server.  it knew you didnt want to read it
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[08:58] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yeah, how important can those stupid work emails be anyway?
[08:59] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[08:59] <Hobbsee> kwwii: *grin*
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: tried 3.5.6 on feisty yet?
[08:59] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no...
[09:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee: unfortunately, this month is hell for me... so I can't do more than help once in a while in #kubuntu...
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :( why so?
[09:02] <Jucato> loads of "work"... I kept on denying that they existed...and now I'm kinda overwhelmed... :P
[09:03] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:03] <Jucato> and Second Life didn't help either... @_@
[09:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: although I might already be running 3.5.6 actually...
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh?
[09:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: from SVN branches
[09:17] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: looks ok on first look - anything new that is worth mentioning?
[09:23] <Tonio_> Lure: packages are out for feisty ?
[09:23] <Lure> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[09:24] <Lure> Tonio_: Riddell is just waiting for official release date (afaik)
[09:24] <Tonio_> thanks ;) I have a few tests to perform -> kwallet bug !!
[09:25] <Tonio_> Lure: I just hope for once the new version will not include new critical issues...........
[09:25] <Tonio_> 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 were shames on that point
[09:25] <Lure> Tonio_: new issues are proof of progress ;-)
[09:26] <Lure> Tonio_: at least we have now some time to stabilize it for 7.04 release
[09:26] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but well kde4 will not be stable before a very lond time so it would be nice to have a super stable release of kde3
[09:26] <Tonio_> my 2 cents :)
[09:27] <Lure> Tonio_: but we also need new improvements to keep people interested until kde4 is stable enpough for them to switch
[09:28] <Tonio_> what's new in 356 ?
[09:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I agree though that every point release should be considered stable and some bugs should be avoided
[09:28] <Tonio_> I just hope the session management is debugged
[09:28] <Jucato> danimo's password dots
[09:28] <Lure> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php
[09:29] <Tonio_> that's what causes the kwallet issue, and knetworkmanager hanging kwallet sometimes, no issues on 3.5.4
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: what bothers me is that kwalletmanager causes 100% load on kded on login somtimes (40% chance)
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: there seems to be some timing issue which causes endless loop in kded
[09:30] <Tonio_> ark
[09:30] <Tonio_> Bugfixes:
[09:30] <Tonio_> Improved 7zip support. See SVN commit 596246.
[09:30] <Tonio_> hehe, I finally contributed to kde :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> that''s my patches
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: is this what you are hunting?
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: nice
[09:34] <Tonio_> le konsole horrible "bip" has finally been replaced :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> that's kool
[09:40] <Tonio_> Lure: the kwallet bug is still there.......... shit
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: can you write down instructions how to reproduce it and I may look into it after FF?
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: re konsole horrible "bip"> I like visual beep as default - maybe we should change k-d-s?
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: well, save konqueror passwords, they are in the wallet
[09:42] <Tonio_> logout, login they have dissapeared, unless you manually close the wallet....
[09:42] <Tonio_> doesn't seem to be due to kwallet iteself but to the session management
[09:42] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, can you drop me this in e-mail, so that I do not forget
[09:42] <Tonio_> let me show you the bug id
[09:42] <Lure> Tonio_: it may be konqueror issue (caching?)
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure: no same error with kontact, knetworkmanager etc........
[09:44] <Tonio_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411
[09:44] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,New]
[09:44] <Tonio_> here is the bug
[09:44] <Tonio_> 160 votes, and nothing........
[09:44] <Tonio_> confirmed on gentoo, mandriva etc....
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: why do we not use patch from the bug?
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: we should be the patch wasn't there last time we checked
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is I think the same kded issues causes the knetworkmanager problem
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: it is just workaround, but better than nothing
[09:49] <Tonio_> there is also a patch for this
[09:50] <Tonio_> but it means autostart knetworkmanager and remove the session-thing
[09:50] <Tonio_> I don't know Riddell's opinion on that point
[09:50] <Tonio_> should we autostart it ?
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: I think Riddell added knetworkmanager to autostart
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: it doesn't for me
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: it is part of network-roaming spec
[09:50] <Tonio_> yes but it doesn't autostart here
[09:51] <Tonio_> maybe because of that session thing ?
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: how does it autostart ? I don't see anything in /usr/share/autostart....
[09:52] <Tonio_>   [ Jonathan Riddell ]
[09:52] <Tonio_>   * Add knetworkmanager to ksmserverrc for
[09:52] <Tonio_>     startup by default, see NetworkRoaming spec
[09:52] <Tonio_> ksmserverrc...... what does this do ?
[09:53] <Tonio_> bah that's the session thing :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> that will not work.... we have to workarround that, and do the way debian does...
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll fix this right now
[09:54] <Tonio_> plus I don't think riddell did it correctly, a session file is needed for that to work... like kmix has in kds
[11:19] <Tm_T> I wonder if I should stick in Edgy if I like to play around with KDE4.
[11:30] <kwwii> Tm_T: I would guess that the latest stuff is for feisty (but I don't really know, so don't listen to me)
[11:30] <Tm_T> And by playing I mean compiling and testing and compiling again. ;)
[11:31] <Tm_T> That comes later.
[11:31] <kwwii> well, if you are compiling yourself then edgy would be the easier one to debug, I guess, as feisty is still, well, erm, feisty
[11:31] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:31] <Tm_T> Yup, so I thought.
[11:32] <Jucato> (or if you want stable... use Dapper as base :P )
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[11:32] <kwwii> bbl
[11:33] <Tm_T> kwwii: Btw Oxy cursors are fun. :)
[11:33] <kwwii> Tm_T: I am not too happy with them, but then again we are still working on them
[11:33] <kwwii> I do not like the white border
[11:34] <Tm_T> Yup, fun as different.
[11:34] <kwwii> :-)
[11:35] <Tm_T> Hehe.
[11:35] <Jucato> that should be good... less drooling for me
[11:35] <Tm_T> Gone. ->
[11:39] <kwwii> Jucato: get it from anon svn
[11:40] <Jucato> kwwii: I have to run some scripts to generate the icons?
[11:40] <kwwii> Jucato: yes, there is a utils dir with a script and a readme
[11:40] <kwwii> basically, get the whole stuff
[11:40] <kwwii> copy the svg/ dir somewhere
[11:41] <kwwii> put the generate script from utils in the svg/ dir
[11:41] <kwwii> and then call it
[11:41] <Jucato> that simple?! heh :)
[11:41] <kwwii> it will create a tar.gz that you can install
[11:41] <Jucato> thanks :)
[11:41] <kwwii> that is for the icons
[11:41] <kwwii> for the cursors, there is a script in the cursors/ dir
[11:41] <Jucato> ugh... I have to rush off... :(
[11:41] <Jucato> brb :(
[11:41] <kwwii> cool
[11:41] <kwwii> bbl
[11:41] <Jucato> kwwii: thank!
[11:42] <kwwii> no prob
[11:51] <Tonio_> kwwii: did you notice kwin-crystal upstream doesn't include the latest version of the edgy theme, but the "in work" one
[11:52] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm preparing a fixed tarball
[12:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii: question for you
[12:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 3.5.6 URL us fine in here or -testers, just not anywhere for users
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: how does debian start knetworkmanager?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: via /usr/share/autostart
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that includes kubuntu-devel ML, presumably?
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: that resolves the session management issues that bloat knetworkmanager everytime it tries to access kwallet
[12:15] <Tonio_> mbiebl sent me the tip via email yesterday concerning this, so I simply applied his patches
[12:16] <Tonio_> btw Riddell if you wanna use ksmserver to autostart something, you need to provide a session file with it
[12:16] <Tonio_> that's why katapult doesn't autostart at first boot on kubuntu, I also have to fix this...
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about starting katapult via a /usr/share/autostart file too ?
[12:17] <Tonio_> there is no reason not to start it...
[12:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dunno, best not
[12:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: last time it got onto the forumns and the KDE release dude told me off
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course knetworkmanager via sessions will be better when debugged, but well, that's a very old bug now, and somehow critical for average user, since it is hard to kill it... that's why I think a good workarround is nice ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: katapult does start from the session for me and the CD, but I'm happy for it to be changed to autostart if you want
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: does it ? I got problems last time I tested a cd.... maybe I'm wrong btw
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: it starts from the session for me too, but I have to launch it first time too
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix that today
[12:20] <Tonio_> I'm working on kwin-style-crystal....
[12:21] <Tonio_> ho Riddell I have a patch for the kwallet bug (passwords not saved) can you include it before the release ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> george staikos approved it
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: why wouldn't we include it?
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe that's my feeling, so here is the patch
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/44
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I noticed you forgot to remove trash.desktop from kdebase-kio-plugins
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase-kio-plugins.install:debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's in the debian-ubuntu-differences files
[12:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: where's the patch from?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde bts, lemme show you
[12:31] <Tonio_> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411
[12:31] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,New]
[12:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: able to kickban anouk in #kubuntu?
[12:38] <Riddell> Tm_T, apokryphos ^^
[12:38] <apokryphos> sure 8)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, was AFK
[12:43] <Mez> Riddell, you coulda poked me too
[12:47] <Kano> hi
[12:47] <Kano> could someone replace kaffeine with the version of debian
[12:47] <Riddell> umm, no
[12:47] <Kano> in ubuntu the includes are missing and i only can scan dvb channels but not watch em
[12:47] <Riddell> but we can merge in fixes
[12:48] <Kano> well currently compiling it
[12:52] <Kano> and when will kde-systemsettings be fixed that they are not in lost+found
[12:52] <Kano> kde-systemsettings: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu
[12:53] <Kano> hmm compiled the debian kaffeine and got the same error
[12:55] <Kano> there must be something missing thats not missing in debian
[12:55] <Kano> 12:55:17: xine: couldn't find demux for >/home/xxx/.kaxtv.
[12:56] <Kano> no mpeg2 demuxer?
[12:56] <Riddell> so you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[12:56] <Riddell> s/so/do/
[12:56] <Hobbsee> gah.  *goes thwacking with the cluebat*
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: awww....but the guy deserves it :P
[12:58] <Kano> libxine1-ffmpeg was missing, but why is that no dep then?
[12:59] <Kano> then just add that as dep and the includes...
[01:00] <Riddell> it's restricted by US patents
[01:00] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I think it is perfectly fine for me to harrass my wife
[01:01] <kwwii> heck, that is part of her job as wife, as I see it :p
[01:01] <Kano> Riddell: but why is it in debian then?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> kwwii: heh.
[01:01] <Kano> i only installed there kaffeine and it worked...
[01:01] <Riddell> Kano: debian has no money to be sued out of
[01:02] <Kano> isnt it in ubuntu main?
[01:02] <Kano> just not preinstalled...
[01:04] <zorglu_> q. im running kubuntu dapper, and i got a significant memory leak when running apps using java+gtk, anybody knows if edgy or feisty has this bug fixed ?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> oh you *moron*.  dont play ban evasion with me.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> zorglu_: a) try it.  b) how would we know?
[01:06] <zorglu_> i dunno, maybe because you are the one packaging kubuntu and so following bug on it ? :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> doesnt mean i run gtk and java stuff
[01:06] <zorglu_> how can i get this information without instaling it ? (this would require to fully install it, so consuming disk space and time)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> search teh forums, check for bugs maybe?
[01:09] <zorglu_> ok is there a better place to ask ?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> not that i know of
[01:11] <Hobbsee> sorry :(
[01:11] <zorglu_> hehe ok, so i will live with it :) rebooting 3 time a day is not that bad
[01:13] <Hobbsee> (sorry for the @'s - chanserv is lagging badly here)
[01:28] <Kano> Riddell: is there a h264 (avc) package too?
[01:29] <Riddell> Kano: user questions in #kubuntu (cos I don't know)
[02:01] <Kano> btw. mplayer is even in debian now (not the mencoder), will it come to u too?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Kano:
[02:02] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison mplayer
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/multiverse Packages
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Packages
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/multiverse Sources
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources
[02:04] <Kano> hmm even vlc can playback h264
[02:04] <Kano> why not kaffeine?
[02:04] <Kano> whats the logic behind that
[02:05] <Hobbsee> kaffeine is there?
[02:05] <Kano> well i installed that ffmpeg package for it
[02:05] <Kano> then i have at least mpeg2
[02:06] <Kano> but i need h264 (mpeg4 avc) too
[02:09] <Kano> it seems noone uses those media files....
[02:09] <Riddell> Kano: you want to talk to siretart on #ubuntu-motu, he maintains xine
[02:23] <Lure> Tonio_: this seems to be the right way to handle autostart of knetworkmanager: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=116921124400692&w=2
[02:25] <Tonio_> Lure: interesting !
[02:25] <Riddell> that would need coding in knetworkmanager to handle
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: probably, but it is the only way to allow user to decide if he wants it started by default on not
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: Quit anyway asks for confirmation, so we could add another checkbox for this
[02:31] <Lure> Riddell: "Do not start automatically"
[02:31] <Lure> Riddell: or in menu Options, have "Autostart on login"
[02:32] <Riddell> meh, hassle :)
[02:32] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, it is mbiebl who asked this question, so he might not like current /usr/share/autostart idea completelly
[02:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: do we not want kaffeineoggvorbis in kaffeine package?
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I was supposed to remove audio features from kaffeine
[02:34] <Tonio_> but now the idea has changed, yes, you're right, I should had it back
[02:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh?  what's changed?
[02:34] <Tonio_> bah we decided just to change file associations but to keep audio fonctionnalities in kaffeine
[02:35] <Tonio_> unless I mussunderstood ;)
[02:35] <Riddell> dunno, I just do whatever you say :)
[02:35] <Tonio_> lots of people started to complain in fact
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this today as well as the knetworkmanager autostart
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: should I also add back kaffeine_play_audiocd.desktop?
[02:36] <Riddell> or is that a shortcut, which we still don't want?
[02:37] <Tonio_> no need of that, it'll mess the context menu and action popup in konqueror
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is still the option to launch kaffeine and play a cd so that should be enought no ?
[02:38] <Riddell> yep
[02:40] <Riddell> ok uploaed
[02:40] <Riddell> uplo#aded
[02:40] <Riddell> thing
[02:40] <Riddell> oh, he didn't stay to get the new kaffeine he wanted
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're doing it right now ?
[02:41] <Riddell> gone
[02:41] <Riddell> uploaded
[03:00] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i want roms , heh
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: what for, emulation is a pain with linux ;)
[03:01] <Mez> Tonio_, you still didnt tell me what I needed to do
[03:01] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i have mame and xsnes9x working great in linux
[03:02] <imbrandon> i was thinking about building a mame cabnet soonish
[03:02] <imbrandon> probably this summer
[03:02] <imbrandon> ( with powered by kubuntu logo's all over it ) hehe
[03:02] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm fighting to get xmess working.....
[03:02] <Tonio_> Mez: xmame works, but the frontend part for xmess is just a nightmare
[03:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: need ftp access too ?
[03:03] <Mez> lol
[03:03] <imbrandon> xmess just sucks imho
[03:03] <imbrandon> heh
[03:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea ;)
[03:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not that much, it is okay in the shell
[03:03] <Tonio_> shit......
[03:03] <Tonio_> Mez: can I change your password for something generic ?
[03:03] <imbrandon> ?
[03:04] <Tonio_> I don't want to create 1000 anonymous accounts for my ftp :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the 'shit' wasn't for you of course
[03:04] <Mez> Tonio_, go for it
[03:04] <Tonio_> was for that stipid frontend
[03:04] <Tonio_> Mez: what can I put ?
[03:05] <Mez> Tonio_, pick something and tell me
[03:05] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i'm not anonymouse hehe
[03:05] <imbrandon> :)
[03:05] <imbrandon> i like my c64 emu's too
[03:38] <Tonio_> Mez: kxmame is nice for mame but I think we have to forget about it concerning xmess
[03:38] <Tonio_> xmess command line works like a charm
[03:39] <Mez> lol
[04:12] <Riddell> ** edgy 3.5.6 for testing   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-test/ edgy main
[04:12] <Riddell> i386 only
[04:15] <kwwii> Riddell: how much do I want to test that?
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya
[04:16] <kwwii> hi bddebian
[04:16] <bddebian> Heya kwwii
[04:19] <Riddell> kwwii: are you running edgy?
[04:19] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp
[04:19] <Riddell> lots and lots then
[04:19] <kwwii> lol
[04:19] <Riddell> since when did you have an i386?
[04:20] <kwwii> Riddell: since yesterday :-)
[04:20] <Riddell> macbook?
[04:20] <Riddell> wow, that's a change
[04:20] <kwwii> yeah, and it is *amazing*
[04:21] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:22] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:23] <kwwii> Riddell: I know I have done this before, butI forget...it complains about not having a public key
[04:25] <Riddell> see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php
[04:27] <kwwii> cool, thnx
[04:31] <allee> Riddell: is it a known that (at least) some translations are missing from language-packs  No  digikam translations in feisty
[04:34] <kwwii> ok, here goes, restarting kde
[04:38] <kwwii> well, it appears to work
[05:34] <apokryphos> Riddell: might want to +b ubotu in here, he's playing up
[05:34] <apokryphos> we've handled it for most of the other channels
[05:35] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, no doubt
[05:35] <kwwii> w00t
[05:35] <Jucato> silly ubotu... :)
[05:35] <kwwii> gosh, I feel so important
[05:36] <apokryphos> ooOOoo  8)
[05:36] <Jucato> wow congrats :)
[05:36] <Jucato> you *are* important :)
[05:36] <kwwii> lol, I wish
[05:37] <Lure> kwwii: will you do artwork in general or kubuntu only?
[05:37] <Jucato> c'mon! we wouldn't have had purple if not for you :)
[05:44] <kwwii> Lure: artwork in general, although my exact job is not 100% clear to me yet
[05:44] <kwwii> I will be doing kubuntu, and other stuff as well
[05:51] <stdin> can anyone answer how the kernel choose which module to load for a specific piece of hardware?
[06:01] <Lure> kwwii: I am sure you would hate a job which would be 100% clear ;-)
[06:02] <kwwii> Lure: lol, yeah well, I am sure that mark knows exactly what I will be doing and I am sure that he will tell me ;-)
[06:02] <kwwii> although it might very well change from day to day
[06:02] <sebas> Wait, *I* am the one who's telling kwwii what he should do?!
[06:02] <Lure> kwwii: so, will we get polyester for feisty (time is ticking...)?
[06:02] <kwwii> hehe
[06:03] <kwwii> Lure: I was just going to talk about that
[06:03] <kwwii> I have it setup here with a config that I thinks looks nice
[06:03] <kwwii> we should set it as default for a while and see who screams
[06:03] <Lure> kwwii: windeco from edgy is for me still better than polyester
[06:03] <kwwii> Riddell: what do you think about testing out polyester
[06:03] <kwwii> oh, we should keep the same window deco
[06:04] <kwwii> but the style should be polyester
[06:04] <kwwii> I tuned it down by configuring things well
[06:04] <Lure> kwwii: what I do not like with polyester that your purple is a bit too strong for scrollbars
[06:04] <kwwii> Lure: exactly, I also changed the selection colors to make those look nicer
[06:04] <Lure> kwwii: however it is better that it is more obvious than plastik
[06:05] <kwwii> so we would need to change the color scheme and add the config file
[06:05] <Lure> kwwii: otherwise polyester looks stable for me (beta's had quite some artifacts, so I did not use it for long)
[06:06] <Lure> Tonio__: wb!
[06:06] <kwwii> Lure: I have only tested it on edgy (although with the new kde) and it looks fine here
[06:06] <Lure> Tonio__: we are just discussing some more work for you (polyester style)
[06:06] <Lure> ;-)
[06:07] <kwwii> Tonio__: yeah, got a few things for you to do ;-)
[06:27] <freeflying> adept's bug fixed?
[06:29] <kwwii> Lure: you don't happen to know where the config file is saved for polyester, do you?
[06:30] <Lure> kwwii: not really
[06:30] <Lure> kwwii: I just use the package in the repo, as-is
[06:30] <sebas> How about ~/.kde/share/config/kwinpolyesterrc ?
[06:30] <sebas> That's what locate gives me :)
[06:31] <Lure> sebas: ;-)
[06:31] <sebas> Bunch of n00bs! ;-)
[06:31] <kwwii> sebas: dude, that is what I thought too but that file does not exist on my system
[06:33] <kwwii> hehe, sebas that file is for the window deco, not the style
[06:34] <kwwii> that is why I do not have it, as I am not using the window deco
[06:34] <kwwii> you n00b
[06:34] <kwwii> :p
[06:37] <yuriy> maybe polyesterstylerc
[06:44] <kwwii> freaky, I cannot find this file...really weird
[06:47] <yuriy> kwwii: i have /etc/qt3/lipstiksylerc weird place for it but you could look there
[07:30] <allee> Riddell: any tip? are you aware of an dlopen (k)ubuntu specific changes?  In debian, digikam does not find libgphoto plugins without .la files.  Works fine in kubuntu and gtkam in debian
[07:31] <Riddell> allee: no idea, but we have an updated toolchain for feisty whereas I guess etch is all frozen
[07:31] <Riddell> doko would be a good dude to ask
[07:33] <allee> Riddell: thx.  I'll ping him.  having a -dev depends is hackish and ugly and I would like avoid merging.
[07:33] <Riddell> apokryphos: +b done
[07:33] <Riddell> kwwii: 3.5.6 in edgy all good?
[07:34] <Riddell> kwwii: if you want polyester you need to write a main inclusion report
[07:35] <allee> Riddell: ah, 3.5.6 that reminds me: on 3.5.5 media handling of CDROM was broken. I vote for a longer testing period until kde-stable is directed to 3.5.6.   At least here in the institute got  QA-- due to it
[07:42] <Riddell> I need to put a notice on the pages saying those packages aren't supported
[07:42] <Riddell> and thanks for reminding me, I need to put hal in the archive too
[07:43] <Riddell> hmm, or maybe that's just dapper
[07:43] <Riddell> kwwii: how's cd and usb stick mounting doing in 3.5.6 on edgy?
[07:45] <firephoto> Riddell: cd and usb mounting looks fine here, popup window, mounts, safely remove and eject ok.
[07:46] <firephoto> 356 edgy.
[07:47] <Riddell> firephoto: excellent, thanks
[07:48] <mhb> firephoto: kopete works fine?
[07:48] <mhb> firephoto: including the "bubbles" above the tray icon
[07:48] <firephoto> mhb: nope, bubble is missing, heard the sound though
[07:49] <firephoto> was there a change there? i know that bubble was crashing composite last i knew.
[07:50] <mhb> firephoto: the bubble worked in 355
[07:51] <firephoto> kopete: WARNING: KXMLGUIClient::setXMLFile: cannot find .rc file jabberchatui.rc
[07:51] <apokryphos> Riddell: he returned back to normal shortly after that, anyhow :D
[07:53] <firephoto> mhb: that warning isn't related to the bubble i guess. i tried disabling/enabling the bubble but nothing changed. it's still missing.
[07:53] <sebas> Do the packages still spit out a lot of crap in the console?
[07:54] <sebas> QInputContext: no input method context available
[07:54] <sebas> QInputContext: no input method context available
[07:54] <Riddell> sebas: there's still X errors from the non-existant tabled device
[07:54] <sebas> My current setup has this all the time.
[07:54] <Riddell> sebas: I don't have those skim warnings in feisty
[07:55] <sebas> I have edgy
[07:58] <Riddell> sebas: skim in feisty is quieter
[07:58] <Riddell> but the X warnings are still a pain
[07:58] <Riddell> filling up .xsession-errors and aa
[08:01] <Sime> Greetings all.
[08:01] <sebas> Sime is back!
[08:01] <sebas> wb :)
[08:01] <Sime> I got back on wednesday.
[08:02] <Sime> still catching up on things
[08:03] <mhb> hi Sime
[08:03] <Riddell> Sime!
[08:03] <Sime> hi
[08:03] <Riddell> we misse
[08:03] <Riddell> we missed you
[08:04] <Riddell> we ported guidance to ruby while you were gone
[08:04] <Sime> lol
[08:05] <Sime> hows feisty?
[08:05] <Lure> lol
[08:05] <Sime>  (I have no idea).
[08:05] <Sime> my email ran out of space around christmas...
[08:07] <Riddell> oops
[08:07] <Riddell> feisty seems to be working nicely
[08:10] <Sime> were there any big changes for Kubuntu in feisty?
[08:13] <Lure> Sime: more polish, and quite some porting to qt4
[08:14] <Sime> a more polished edgy.
[08:16] <sebas> Some fixing in userconfig I think, and some powermanager work together with Lure
[08:17] <Sime> cool. I read about some of that in the KDE digest thingy.
[08:17] <Sime> sebas: how late does that KDE-NL thing start on saturday?
[08:17] <Lure> yes, I still want to do one config file change (keyword for lid action) and then I think we could release it as 0.7.1
[08:17] <sebas> 1300
[08:17] <Lure> lots of bug fixes and some new features
[08:18] <Sime> sebas: same ol' place?
[08:18] <sebas> Sime: Yes
[08:18] <sebas> Dorpsschuur
[08:26] <Riddell> sebas: mm, that's a point, it should know about upstart I guess
[08:26] <Riddell> sebas: any idea what the gnome thing is doing?
[08:26] <sebas> Nope, no idea.
[08:27] <Riddell> I'll ask scott next week in oslo
[08:27] <sebas> It might be that the whole concept of serviceconfig must be redone
[08:27] <sebas> Cool
[08:27] <Riddell> we should also look at getting wineconfig in a state that it can be used
[08:30] <Sime> Riddell: true. But time is a problem (=> some many things to do, so little time)
[08:35] <Riddell> yes indeed
[08:35] <Riddell> is the wineconfig author still around?
[08:35] <sebas> Dunno, but I've fixed wineconfig enough that it works for me.
[08:35] <sebas> I'm not aware of other problems though.
[08:37] <Sime> it really just needs greater testing.
[08:37] <Riddell> I'll take a look at it then
[08:37] <Riddell> does it warn the user when wine isn't installed?
[08:37] <sebas> Not sure
[08:37] <sebas> Is it installed with guidance by default?
[08:37] <sebas> I mean with the packages?
[08:38] <Riddell> no
[08:38] <sebas> If it's a separate package, it could just depend on wine.
[08:38] <sebas> Why confused by the way?
[08:39] <Riddell> well, why didn't he send an article when I asked for one, not once I've already written one.  I'd rather not spend the time editing it twice
[08:39] <Riddell> I think if it was a separate package it would never get installed by anyone
[08:44] <Lure> Riddell: separate package would allow us to make it recommends and remove if wine is not used
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove powermanager w/o making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72233
[08:46] <Lure> kwwii: btw, any time to look in missing ac-adapter icon for guidance? would be great if we can get it in next release...
[10:49] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Failed to fetch http://imbrandon.com/packages/dists/feisty/Release Unable to find expected entry  amarok/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[11:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: is rosegarden being packaged/packaged?
[11:03] <ryanakca> nevermind :)
[11:11] <Riddell> it's about 6 years old
[11:25] <Tonio__> Mez: ping ?
[11:27] <Tonio__> Hidden=trueX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth
[11:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: this ubuntu hack is pain really...........
[11:27] <Tonio__> still broken in kdebluetooth
[11:28] <Tonio__> Riddell: when exactly is that applied ?
[11:28] <Tonio__> I'll probably try to fix in rules instead of a patch...
[11:29] <Tonio__> hey great news, mbiebl is patching knm to enable, disable autostart, cool :)
[11:40] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'm testing that new experimental patch from mbiebl
[11:41] <Tonio__> Riddell: if that work we may consider a backport to edgy, as the problem affects it too
[12:05] <Tonio__> including the crappy kwallet thing
[12:10] <Tonio__> Riddell: what are the kaffeine header files usefull for ?


[05:36] <Kilos> guten morgen meine herren
[05:39] <superfly> Guten abend Kilos
[05:39] <Kilos> hehe
[06:04] <magespawn> hey good morning
[06:04] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:04] <Kilos> hey yourself
[06:22] <magespawn> horses eat it
[06:23] <magespawn> or maybe that is hay
[06:26] <Wolfeyes> lol
[06:26] <Wolfeyes> morning Kilos magespawn
[06:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:57] <superfly> magespawn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJXtGtgXQh0
[07:06] <Wolfeyes> ha ha ha superfly
[07:06] <Wolfeyes> brilliant
[07:31] <chesedo> hello all
[07:33]  * chesedo thinks he might have found a new band that he can listen to
[07:45] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[08:02] <superfly> chesedo: Relient K?
[08:03] <chesedo> superfly: yip
[08:03] <superfly> chesedo: they're kinda old, actually. and their older stuff is better than their most recent stuff
[08:05] <chesedo> superfly: saw that they are... it is weird how a lot of band's old stuff is better than newer ones
[09:21] <Langjan> Hi Kilos you dont like e-mails hey?
[09:22] <Langjan> Thks will let you know when Pieter can come over
[09:22] <Kilos> haha you guessed
[09:22] <Kilos> painful things and i get so many
[09:22] <Langjan> take too much bandwidth? oh
[09:22] <Kilos> np
[09:22] <Kilos> no
[09:22] <Kilos> too much reading
[09:23] <Langjan> well if your popular youre it
[09:23] <Kilos> its not popular its all the locos ive had to join to try get them going
[09:23] <Langjan> trying to connect the tannie via my adsl, dlink exender almost R2 000
[09:23] <Kilos> 8 mailing lists i think
[09:24] <Kilos> sjo
[09:24] <Kilos> how far is she from you
[09:24] <Langjan> about 55 metres
[09:24] <Langjan> dlnk signal goes about 40
[09:25] <Kilos> eish
[09:25] <Kilos> see if you can find someone that can make you an eth cable
[09:25] <Langjan> I have one but its 30 metres
[09:26] <Kilos> get another one
[09:26] <Langjan> will have to cross a road
[09:26] <Kilos> hehe
[09:26] <Kilos> ai!
[09:26] <Kilos> string it in the trees
[09:26] <Langjan> but thats not a bad option, even if I have to dig a ditch and pipe it under the road
[09:26] <Kilos> not on branches that move in the wind
[09:27] <Langjan> or the aerial way can also work
[09:27] <Kilos> doesnt she have a telkom line
[09:27] <Langjan> perhaps I can get a connector and join 2 cables?Pity to waste 30 metresli
[09:28] <Langjan> she does yes
[09:28] <Kilos> i think bridges are quite cheap
[09:28] <Langjan> but adsl line rent is expensive
[09:28] <Kilos> ah
[09:29] <Kilos> see, tell me this isnt easier than emails to and fro
[09:29] <Langjan> is that what you call a ethernet joint, a bridge?
[09:29] <Langjan> depends what you want to communicate
[09:29] <Kilos> i think so
[09:30] <Kilos> maybe you get just a joint thing
[09:30] <Langjan> I dont pay you to fink, you must know...
[09:30] <magespawn> you can join ethernet cable, although i prefer not to
[09:30] <Kilos> bridges can take 4 cables
[09:31] <Langjan> thks magespawn and hi
[09:31] <magespawn> there is a gel filled connector called a scotch lock
[09:31] <magespawn> hi Langjan
[09:31] <Kilos> but then the bridges is out in the weather and needs power as well
[09:31] <Langjan> it will be under roof, power?
[09:32] <Kilos> this one has a power supply and a goodie like a fone charger
[09:32] <Kilos> lemme look
[09:32] <Kilos> ja
[09:33] <Kilos> use that 30m cable so you can sit somewhere else as well
[09:33] <Kilos> get one the right length
[09:33] <Kilos> with some extra of course
[09:34] <Kilos> for corners and sticking to wall so it looks neat
[09:34] <Langjan> what price ethernet cabl per metre?
[09:34] <Kilos> i have no idea
[09:35] <magespawn> look here http://is.gd/YXPGGz
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> maybe 5 - 7
[09:35] <Langjan> jy moet weet geek...lmga
[09:35] <Langjan> thks
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> but you can buy rolls at about 1.50 - 2 rand per metre
[09:35] <Langjan> magespawn, and Wolfeyes
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> yw
[09:35] <Kilos> Wolfeyes can give cable prices
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> :-)
[09:37] <Langjan> Is there not a connector box with eth sockets both sides to connect?
[09:37] <magespawn> i recently bought exterior cat5 with uv shielding for about R7/meter
[09:38] <magespawn> Langjan: there is, but it would need to be kept dry
[09:38] <Langjan> not a problem to keep dry
[09:39] <Langjan> can put the joint in the ceiling
[09:40] <Langjan> or under overhang and use silicone
[09:40] <magespawn> it looks the same as the old connectors used to join telephone cable, just bigger to take the lan cable
[09:40] <Wolfeyes> you can buy joint from a matrix or any computer shop, haven't bought in ages, normal rj45 is about 2 each
[09:40] <Langjan> rj45?
[09:41] <magespawn> that is the connector on a lan cable
[09:41] <Langjan> oh, ok thks
[09:41] <magespawn> the clear plasctic doohickey on the end
[09:42] <Langjan> ok another q while I have the geeks on the line plse
[09:43] <Langjan> if I run the cable, will they be able to connect two computers that side?
[09:43] <Langjan> a split?
[09:45] <magespawn> then you will need a switch on the other side
[09:45] <magespawn> 5 port ethernet switch
[09:46] <magespawn> also available from matrix around R180
[09:47] <magespawn> something like http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/home-solutions/connect/switches/dgs-105-5-port-gigabit-ethernet-switch
[09:50] <Langjan> ok many thanks
[09:51] <magespawn> no problem
[10:17] <Wolfeyes> lol @ doohickey @ magespawn
[10:19] <Wolfeyes> sorry Langjan I was just on a call to a client.
[10:20] <Wolfeyes> magespawn: if you buy now and again at matrix you can push them lower for prices
[10:30] <Langjan> Looks like these can work: http://www.takealot.com/ugreen-rj45-8p8c-network-coupler-keyston/PLID40361930 and http://www.takealot.com/tp-link-5-port-10-100mbps-mini-desktop-switch/PLID28720003
[10:31] <Langjan> np Wolfeyes I was having some lunch
[10:32] <Wolfeyes> getting some horse power in...
[10:32] <Langjan> must check if eth cable can run underground and/or overhead (uv exposure)
[10:32] <Langjan> yes gotta keep going
[10:50] <magespawn> and if the cable is underground keeping it dry too
[11:22] <magespawn> Kilos Langjan could also get external wireless ap, bt those tend to be rather pricey
[11:22] <magespawn> /sbt/but
[11:22] <magespawn> s/bt/but
[11:29] <mazal> Hi everyone
[11:29] <magespawn> hi mazal
[11:30] <mazal> How goes ?
[11:31] <Kilos> i think he is looking for the cheapest options magespawn . those peeps all retired there
[11:31] <Kilos> hi mazal
[11:33] <magespawn> sunny mazal
[11:34] <magespawn> Kilos: figured just thought i would mention it, cable is much cheaper
[11:34]  * mazal spend money he didn't have again :( All thanx to eskom
[11:34] <Kilos> what now mazal
[11:34] <magespawn> power problems?
[11:34] <mazal> Had no power the whole day so went shopping.
[11:35] <mazal> Credit card still smoking
[11:35] <Kilos> ai!
[11:35] <mazal> Hey my DING !!! ain't working
[11:35] <mazal> It didn't *ding* when you guys greeted
[11:36] <Kilos> haha
[11:36] <Kilos> mazal
[11:36] <Kilos> mazal
[11:36] <Kilos> turn up the volume
[11:36] <mazal> The highlight works , but not the ding when window is minimized
[11:36] <Kilos> or untick the mute button
[11:37] <bushtech> at least fixing this "ding" isn't going to cost you money
[11:37] <Kilos> hahahaha well said bushtech
[11:37] <mazal> lol @ bushtech , indeed sir
[11:37] <mazal> Kilos,I give you 1 guess what I bought today
[11:38] <Kilos> nono just tell me guessing requires thinking
[11:38] <bushtech> satellite dish for sat sig?
[11:38] <mazal> 5 new games
[11:38] <bushtech> THAT's gonna het your card smoking
[11:38] <Kilos> eish
[11:39] <bushtech> nee man!
[11:39] <mazal> and a backup console :P
[11:39] <Kilos> you dont have time to play all those you have
[11:39] <Kilos> eish
[11:39] <mazal> Is not my fault , I was bored
[11:40] <Kilos> if you had taken a more expensive internet connection then you would have less to spend
[11:40] <bushtech> I'm sure there's a support group for this
[11:40] <Kilos> yes
[11:40] <mazal> but but....
[11:41] <Kilos> i saw on tv they had a program about compulsive buyers/shoppers
[11:41] <Kilos> its a reckognised illness
[11:41] <Kilos> hehe
[11:41] <Kilos> recognised
[11:41] <mazal> I'm emosional shopper.  This one has offline multiplayer with bots !!! NIce :)
[11:49] <mazal> Is there a "minimize all windows" shortcut on Kubuntu ?
[11:50] <Kilos> is this a quiz
[11:52] <MaNI> "alt + f2" > "Global keyboard shortcuts" > "Kwin" > "Show desktop"
[11:52] <MaNI> if there isn't a shortcut set you can set it there
[11:53] <MaNI> if you right click the pager and go to "pager settings" - you can also set it so that clicking the current desktop in the pager minimizes everything
[11:54] <mazal> Nice , found it thank you MaNI
[11:54] <Kilos> you on kde MaNI
[11:54] <mazal> It didn't have one associated so gave it one
[11:54] <MaNI> yeah I'm a long time KDE user - even though they tested my patience quite a bit when kde 4 came out :p
[11:54] <mazal> The key here of course being me remembering what I made it lol
[11:55] <mazal> The alt f2 thing is nice , didn't know about that
[11:55] <mazal> It searches apps and docs , nice
[11:55] <MaNI> it has all sorts of little plugins by the way - not just a run box
[11:55] <MaNI> like you can use it as a quick calculator and stuff as well :p
[11:56] <mazal> Just tried that hehehehe
[11:56] <mazal> I am very new to KDE.
[11:57] <mazal> USed it for about a year now at work , but there it's just for email and docs
[12:06] <MaNI> yeah, a bit different on a personal computer :p
[13:11] <inetpro>
[13:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:14] <Wolfeyes> either that was a space, alt(and the number for space), enter key, or writting in white ...
[13:15] <Kilos> writing in white you can highlight to read
[13:16] <Wolfeyes> only thing that highlights is then a single space
[13:16] <Kilos> ya  ya
[13:16] <Kilos> was a space
[13:17] <Kilos> he is just being clever again
[13:17] <Wolfeyes> be back later
[13:54] <inetpro> haha
[13:55] <inetpro> Kilos: you have good eyes
[14:01] <andrewlsd> Hi Peeps \o/
[14:18] <Kilos> yeah
[14:18] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[14:38] <andrewlsd>  :_)
[14:38] <andrewlsd> :-)
[14:38] <andrewlsd> hi Kilos
[14:45] <Kilos> :)
[14:50] <andrewlsd> cheerio. Hopefully will be online here a bit longer.
[15:04] <magespawn> back again
[15:07] <pavlushka> Good evening every one!
[15:09] <magespawn> hi pavlushka
[15:09] <pavlushka> Hello magespawn , how are you?
[15:10] <magespawn> good and you?
[15:11] <pavlushka> doing good, thanks!
[15:11] <pavlushka> wbb
[15:12] <magespawn> home time for me, good evening all
[15:18] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[15:24] <Kilos> what broke
[15:24] <Kilos> hehe
[15:30] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, you can relax, lmga we were at bowls and computer was sleeping, woke up with irc open. How you doing re visa?
[15:31] <Kilos> im just busy looking for the mail addies where i got some reection last time
[15:59] <Kilos> superfly when you have time can you be my editor again please
[15:59] <Kilos> i want to make some waves but want to do it in a democratic way
[16:32] <Kilos> superfly inetpro https://bin.snyman.info/mmmmjemy
[17:02] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:42] <Kilos> superfly it grew https://bin.snyman.info/mmmcw3j5
[17:53] <Kilos> Langjan jy nog hier?
[17:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:54] <Kilos> gonna rain
[17:54] <Langjan> soort van, eet net gou
[17:54] <Kilos> julle rol nie balle in die donker nie
[17:54] <Langjan> soms ja, spreiligte
[17:54] <Kilos> patry te veel dink ek
[17:55] <Kilos> ett lekker oom
[17:55] <Kilos> eet
[17:55] <Langjan> ken nie eers vir Pat nie
[17:55] <Langjan> dankie
[17:55] <Kilos> party man
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: which one is easier to read,
[18:04] <inetpro> this https://bin.snyman.info/mmmnj6nn
[18:04] <inetpro> or this https://bin.snyman.info/mmmcw3j5 ?
[18:06] <Kilos> the first one of course
[18:06] <Kilos> i dunno why the bin makes those long lines
[18:07] <Kilos> when i blog i do it the same way and word wraps itself
[18:07] <inetpro> now please use spacing and paragraphs when you want us to read stuff
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: my point is not so much about the wrapping as it is about the paragraph spacing
[18:08] <Kilos> if i write directly to th bin it might be better
[18:08] <inetpro> nope, it won't
[18:09] <Kilos> it was kinda paragraphed in kate
[18:09] <inetpro> it doesn't do wrapping
[18:09] <Kilos> nono thern ill use line feeds
[18:09] <Kilos> then
[18:09] <inetpro> in kate you can force wrapping bt choosing Tools | Apply Word Wrap
[18:10] <inetpro> s/bt/by/
[18:10] <Kilos> and when i then take it to thes bin?
[18:11] <Kilos> yes that works
[18:11] <Kilos> ty grumpy
[18:11] <inetpro> try it and see for yourself
[18:11] <Kilos> i have
[18:12] <Kilos> lekker
[18:12] <inetpro> first impressions count
[18:12] <Kilos> dankie oompie
[18:12] <Kilos> and that has to end up in a mail
[18:12] <Kilos> now
[18:13] <Kilos> corrections etc to my wording will be helpful
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: why?
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: what are you asking them, and what do you hope to achieve?
[18:13] <Kilos> because you my editor
[18:14] <Kilos> i am asking because i get tired trying to do it all alone
[18:14] <Kilos> and
[18:14] <Kilos> i hope someone else other than belkie can find the time to help
[18:14] <Kilos> she is very busy
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: please note, when copying paragraphs with forced line breaks for wrapping you can expect weird results as the end result for the reader if you are not careful
[18:15] <Kilos> and i hope to achive better quicker growth in ubuntu
[18:15] <Kilos> i will make a point of watching that ty inetpro
[18:16] <Kilos> and i also want to know if i have you guys support before i go knocking on big doors
[18:16] <Kilos> same as with the membership meeting times
[18:17] <Kilos> we have the 10pm now and its the main time used
[18:17] <Kilos> but took lots of mails and frustration
[18:17] <Kilos> and pro support
[18:18] <inetpro> pro support?
[18:18] <Kilos> yes dodo yours
[18:18] <Kilos> i was ready to give up a few times
[18:18]  * inetpro not sure whether he can agree with everything he wrote
[18:19] <inetpro> first of all, what mark are you overstepping even?
[18:19] <Kilos> well those councils are kinda closed i think
[18:20] <Kilos> only the lc has meetings in the open channel
[18:20] <Kilos> cc has their own channel i think
[18:20] <inetpro> you are free to have your own opinion
[18:21] <Kilos> oh yes
[18:21] <Kilos> but many wont like to hear it
[18:21] <inetpro> it is still your opinion
[18:22] <Kilos> oh
[18:22] <Kilos> that thing with mhall
[18:22] <Kilos> he says feel free to translate it to any language
[18:23] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[18:24] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !, it was a power cut, :|
[18:24] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <pavlushka> Hello every one!
[18:25] <pavlushka> Where's the guy with a Hat & Beard?????
[18:26] <inetpro> so Kilos, when you say "Please forgive me", you really mean that?
[18:26] <inetpro> pavlushka: good morning
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> not really but thats to soften the hardekwas outjies
[18:27] <pavlushka> inetpro: what's your timezome????
[18:27] <inetpro> pavlushka: I'm from another planet
[18:27] <pavlushka> it looks like!!!
[18:27] <Kilos> haha
[18:28] <Kilos> Maaz diplomat
[18:28] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[18:28] <pavlushka> lol
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: are you looking forward to the trip already?
[18:30] <pavlushka> inetpro: yes here is 0025 hours but in your place it should be 8.30 PM, but morning???
[18:31] <pavlushka> may be its your planet's rule!!!!!
[18:31] <inetpro> pavlushka: someone stole my watch now I have more time
[18:32] <Kilos> oh my inetpro is someone going to do that to me
[18:32] <MaNI> more like - a diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a long winded annoying non-committal way that people would rather thake that trip than hear them talk for another second
[18:32] <MaNI> *take
[18:32] <Kilos> haha
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: I was just wondering about the context of that lookup on Maaz
[18:33] <Kilos>  nono man
[18:33] <Kilos> i have to act the diplomat
[18:34] <inetpro> ok
[18:34] <Kilos> thats why i ask for help
[18:34] <inetpro> MaNI: he needs your help then
[18:34] <Kilos> hahaha remember inetpro
[18:35] <Kilos> what MaNI said is what worked on popey
[18:35] <Kilos> he gave up in the end
[18:35] <MaNI> heh
[18:36] <Kilos> oh inetpro and belkie supports me
[18:37] <Kilos> and agrees with what i say
[18:38] <pavlushka> Kilos: you had some conversation with popey? and he had to agree with you?
[18:39] <Kilos> haha yeah 2 weeks of emails back and forth
[18:39] <Kilos> he got tired first
[18:40]  * chesedo- thinks it may not always be about wearing someone out, but rather to explain it in a way that touches hearts
[18:41] <Kilos> yes so climb in and help chesedo-
[18:41] <Kilos> and drop the tail
[18:41] <chesedo-> nick chesedo
[18:41] <Kilos> hehe
[18:41] <inetpro> wb chesedo
[18:41] <chesedo> ty chesedo
[18:41] <Kilos> lol
[18:42] <Kilos> have another beer
[18:42] <chesedo> ... and do not really know must of what is talked about
[18:42] <Kilos> ai!
[18:43] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmnj6nn
[18:43] <chesedo> nee sies oom, bier nie vir my :-P
[18:43] <Kilos> mooi seun
[18:43] <inetpro> chesedo: please talk to the real chesedo and get him up to date with happenings here
[18:44] <inetpro> chesedo: btw, did you get your prize yet?
[18:44] <Kilos> who knows inetpro maybe with some big brains working together they can somehow link fb and irc
[18:44] <Kilos> same as mattermost
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: please no
[18:45] <Kilos> well give ideas then to sort the fb lp prob
[18:45] <chesedo> no i read it (btw reads better when clicking 'raw') just did not take it in (head might be too full)
[18:46] <inetpro> I rest my case
[18:46] <Kilos> no man
[18:46] <superfly> Kilos: no, I mean why are you e-mailing the council? what are they going to do, what are you asking them to do
[18:46] <Kilos> dont escape a sinking ship like rats do
[18:46] <inetpro> legibility is important
[18:47] <Kilos> oh superfly im asking then to come up with some ideas on how to overcome the problem
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro fixit
[18:48] <superfly> Kilos: do they care? do they really care?
[18:48] <inetpro> no
[18:48] <Kilos> well i would hope so otherwise the community spirit is dying as well
[18:49] <chesedo> inetpro: have been without net since yesterday (will have to catch up loads :P)... and no still waiting for an official email about the prize
[18:49] <superfly> exactly
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: no, they don't
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: no, they don't
[18:49] <Kilos> ai!
[18:49] <inetpro> haha
[18:49] <chesedo> um, who voted for these guys?
[18:49] <Kilos> how do i fix that
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: you are the community
[18:50] <Kilos> eish
[18:50] <superfly> eish, my lag
[18:50] <Kilos> mine only 236 ms
[18:50] <chesedo> superfly: wat is vout met jou lag (stem seer) :P
[18:51] <inetpro> mine is only 16 ms
[18:51] <inetpro> I win
[18:51] <Kilos> well then inetpro its up to me to rock the boat not so
[18:51]  * chesedo sees a full circle coming...
[18:51] <superfly> chesedo: bwahahahaha
[18:51] <superfly> mine is currently 13s
[18:52] <Kilos> sjoewhat are you eishing about then
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: sending and e-mail to the CC is not rocking the boat
[18:52] <chesedo> wow, anyway gotta go later guys...
[18:53] <superfly> that's telling the rock to move
[18:53] <superfly> make that 30
[18:53] <Kilos> well if they dont do something about it then it will be
[18:53] <Kilos> oh wow 30 secs
[18:53] <Kilos> thats vary bad
[18:53] <Kilos> very
[18:53] <Kilos> and i want to attend their meeting
[18:54] <superfly> 44 seconds...
[18:54] <Kilos> eina
[18:54] <pavlushka> mine is 0.2s
[18:54]  * inetpro can see superfly timing out in a few secs
[18:54] <Kilos> cheers chesedo
[18:54] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:54] <pavlushka> good night chesedo !
[18:55] <Kilos> adsl can suck at times
[18:55] <inetpro> good night chesedo
[18:57] <pavlushka> Hi superfly !
[18:58] <Kilos> inetpro i think i must leave the last sentence out
[18:58] <Kilos> the one before thanks for all the hard work
[18:59] <superfly> hi pavlushka
[18:59] <superfly> i need to get miss muffet to sleep, later
[18:59] <pavlushka> So you are not timed out!!!.
[18:59] <pavlushka> later superfly !!!
[19:11] <Kilos> inetpro so now youve given me lessons in mailing can you sort that mail for me so i can get the ball rolloing
[19:11] <Kilos> pretty please
[19:11] <Kilos> rolling
[19:27] <Kilos> ai! now he is waiting for me to go to sleep
[19:28] <Kilos> yawns
[19:42] <pavlushka> good night guys!!
[19:42] <Kilos> night pavlushka sleep tight
[19:48] <Kilos> ai!
[19:48] <Kilos> you win
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:34] <Logan_> How do I cancel an upload to the Ubuntu archive?
[00:46] <RAOF> Logan_: You can't in general. Although depending on where you tried to upload it to it might be staged in one of the queues. And if you uploaded to raring it'll be in raring-proposed, which may give you an opportunity to kill it before it is copied to raring.
[00:52] <Logan_> RAOF: And how does one kill it while it is in raring-proposed?
[00:52] <RAOF> Logan_: One tries to find an archive admin to get it removed, I guess.
[00:52] <Logan_> k
[00:53] <StevenK> Logan_: And it is?
[00:54] <Logan_> StevenK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-video-msm
[00:54] <Logan_> Meant to upload it to my PPA - put the PPA as the second command by accident. :/
[00:54] <Logan_> (And it FTBFSed, of course, as I expected it to.)
[00:57] <StevenK> It looks like it did hit the archive
[06:29] <ESphynx> OK I uploaded Ecere 0.44.06 to mentors =) Fixes the PowerPC build issue
[06:29] <ESphynx> (also solves the deps/ and the libgif-dev thing)
[06:29] <ESphynx> ... and the standards-version :)
[06:41] <ESphynx> I updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk/+bug/1153763 to say sync 0.44.06
[06:42] <ESphynx> xnox: ping =)
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[10:31] <xnox> ESphynx: one must use "Closes: #nnnnnn" in the changelog, that way the bug number will end up in the .changes files, and will be automatically closed on upload.
[10:31] <xnox> ESphynx: thanks for removing deps/
[10:32] <Zhenech> xnox, don't you mean LP: #nnnnn? :)
[10:33] <xnox> Zeroedout: no, I do not mean LP: #nnnnnn, the package is in debian and the bug is in BTS
[10:34]  * Zhenech gives xnox a working tab
[10:34] <xnox> ESphynx: also I have squashed the changelog last time around (as -4 wasn't uploaded into debian, when you added -5 fix) yet your new package has changelog from what you probably had locally....
[10:34] <Zhenech> ok, then i just over-assumed due to wrong channel :)
[10:45] <xnox> ESphynx: now that there is 64bit support, you should look into mingw-w64 project that provides not-only 32bit toolchain but a 64bit one as well.
[16:49] <ESphynx2> xnox: Thanks for the upload =) ScottK: what should happen next? I updated the sync request in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk/+bug/1153763 to refer to 0.44.06 , which is now in Debian/Experimental ( http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/ecere-sdk )
[16:50] <xnox> ESphynx2: there is no need for FFe for simple FTBFS fixes.
[16:50] <ESphynx2> right :)
[16:50] <ESphynx2> just need to sync right?


[01:48] <ph_afk> darkxst, hey dude r you around?
[01:49] <ph_afk> I'm having some trouble with building libgweather and just wanted to get some advice..
[01:51] <darkxst> hi ph_afk
[01:51] <ph_afk> hi man :)
[01:52] <ph_afk> darkxst, can you give me a bit of help with debuild and libgweather at all?
[01:52] <darkxst> yeh
[01:52] <ph_afk> cool
[01:53] <ph_afk> I'm just stuck on getting a normal tar archive from git - ie the one that has had autogen.sh run so configure and the makefiles etc exist
[01:53] <ph_afk> if I just archive the master libgweather then try running debuild against that it fails
[01:54] <ph_afk> first it was patches, so I checked the patches from the latest source in ubuntu which is 3.8.2, and they have already been applied in the git version
[01:54] <ph_afk> so I just deleted those patches
[01:56] <ph_afk> but now it's failing with an error: po/makefile.in.in wasn't build with intltool or something along those lines
[01:56] <ph_afk> if i try doing manual run of autogen.sh, configure --prefix=/usr it fails with this: checking for Glade.... no
[01:56] <ph_afk> ./configure: line 16676: syntax error near unexpected token `1.11,--flavour'
[01:56] <ph_afk> ./configure: line 16676: `GTK_DOC_CHECK(1.11,--flavour no-tmpl)'
[01:57] <ph_afk> So I think that it's a dependency problem, but I have already run apt-get buildep libgweather
[01:58] <darkxst> ph_afk, we have libgweather 3.10 in gnome3 ppa's
[02:00] <ph_afk> darkxst, yeah that's true, but when I run apt-get source libgweather3-6 it downloads the 3.8.2 source
[02:00] <ph_afk> so I assumed the 3.10.1 version is just 3.8.2 with patches?
[02:01] <darkxst> deb-src lines are disabled by default for PPA's
[02:01] <darkxst> 3.10.1 is 3.10.1!
[02:02] <ph_afk> ah of course :P I'll try again after I enable it
[02:02] <ph_afk> as far as git sources go do I need to have autogen.sh run?
[02:03] <darkxst> make dist, should do that for you
[02:03] <ph_afk> ie if I git archive -o file.tar.gz master, do i need to extract it, run the autogen.sh and then update the tar, before I run uupdate against that tar
[02:04] <ph_afk> make dist from the git source will make the correct tar for me against that branch?
[02:04] <darkxst> or you can enable autoreconf in rules
[02:04] <darkxst> it will make a folder, probably not tarred
[02:05] <ph_afk> ok that's fine - it's easy enough to tar it up. So you would normally just run make dist against a clean git clone to get the files you need?
[02:06] <darkxst> I don't normally package git snapshots
[02:06] <darkxst> I use jhbuild
[02:07] <ph_afk> ah ok :) yeah jhbuild is a whole other level that I've looked into but it looks a bit too complicated
[02:07] <darkxst> its a pain to setup, but much easier and quicker than packaging git snapshots
[02:09] <ph_afk> darkxst, maybe I'll look at doing that when I do a full rebuild of my system, then install the jhbuild environment at that point..
[02:09] <ph_afk> are you running jhbuild on 14.04?
[02:09] <darkxst> yes
[02:11] <ph_afk> ok cool - yeah I think I'll just wait for the g-s-d to be patched to fix my huge fonts and cursor problems first then I'll do a clean build and jhbuild then build the latest version of gnome-shell through jhbuild - is that the right approach?
[02:15] <ph_afk> darkxst, that's what slaf told me to do anyways... is just to run whatever dist of g-s comes with ubuntu-gnome, then install the jhbuild environment and run the latest gnome-shell on top of that via jhbuild...
[02:16] <darkxst> yeh that is best
[02:17] <ph1> cool, ok thanks I'll see how I go with the libgweather with the right source now
[02:18] <darkxst> or you can just use ricotz/testing if you just want git snapshots of the shell
[02:19] <darkxst> libgweather 3.10.1 should be enough anyway
[02:20] <ph1> darkxst, I got the latest source but same error when trying a manual configure and make - it looks like I'm missing a dependency still...
[02:20] <darkxst> why are you doing a manual configure?
[02:20] <ph1> I have glade installed - where should I look to see what version of glade it's looking for?
[02:21] <ph1> just trying to see if it is working manually first to make sure I have all the required deps
[02:22] <darkxst> configure.ac
[02:22] <ph1> k
[02:23] <darkxst> we don't build the glade part
[02:25] <darkxst> you really should use pbuilder (or sbuild) to build packages locally
[02:30] <ph1> make dist is failing with this libtool: link: cannot find the library `../libgweather/libgweather-3.la' or unhandled argument `../libgweather/libgweather-3.la'
[02:32] <ph1> darkxst, ah ok so that's why glade didn't get installed as part of build-dep and y it failed when i tried running it manually coz I didn't specify not to use glade... ok so what's the difference between depbuild and pbuilder or sbuild?
[02:33] <darkxst> they run in a sandbox, only installing the dependencies listed in contol.in
[02:33] <darkxst> probably configure is getting confused in your case because you have glade installed
[02:34] <ph1> should I install both and use whichever works best?
[02:34] <darkxst> just pick one, there basically equivalent, but different commands etc
[02:35] <ph1> ok cool - but I can't even get to the build part because the make dist is failing looking for libgweather-3.la which doesn't exist
[02:55] <ph1> darkxst, I tried switching to the 3.10 branch but it fails on make dist with the same missing file...
[02:56] <ph1> darkxst, just going afk for a bit
[05:47] <ph1> darkxst, pbuilder takes a full on approach compared to debuild. pdebuild does all the work, creates a fakeroot, downloads & installs all dependencies, and then builds against that clean environment, it's a nice way to do it, thanks for the tip
[05:49] <ph1> I've been building in my own environment for like ever, so my environment gets progressively messy, and uses more space etc, but this way there is only the base tar, and it downloads what it needs when it needs it, and it's a simple as clearing the apt-get cache in pbuilder, I like it
[06:26] <darkxst> ph1, yeh, although I still use jhbuild for git stuff (and development work)
[06:29] <ph1> so does jhbuild take care of all that as well?
[06:29] <ph1> darkxst, sandboxing, dependencies, easy cleaning and updates etc?
[06:30] <darkxst> its not sandboxed as such, but is entirely independent from your installed system
[06:30] <darkxst> cleaning is just a case of git reset
[06:31] <ph1> nice - so you're not really installing things into your installed system but into the jhbuild environment...?
[06:32] <ph1> I just got libgweather built with pbuilder, and the updates are working, so thanks for the help with that ;)
[06:33] <ph1> syn
[06:33] <ph1> oops typo
[06:34] <ph1> darkxst, lunch time - thanks for the help
[06:59] <ph1> darkxst, by the way when rebooting my gnome-shell unloads all of it's extensions, so I have to re-enable them each reboot... any idea what might be causing that?
[06:59] <darkxst> probably a crash happening at some point
[07:00] <darkxst> (I think gnome-shell disables all extensions after a crash as a failsafe type thing)
[07:32] <ph> darkxst, I can't see which one is causing it... I'll try going through 1 at a time and see which extension it is. Could it be something other than an extension that could cause this?
[20:39] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[20:40] <darkxst> gdm 3.10 doesnt seem to work with gnome-shell 3.8, although I can't find any significant changes that would stop it working
[20:42] <darkxst> and nothing at all hinting towards  the problem in the logs ;(