 Hi guys. I wanted to get some advice. I bought an external 1T disk that comes in NTFS format. I use Lubuntu and wanted to save things I could open/write in Lubunt but also open in Windows as well. Should I keep in NTFS or reformat to FAT?
 @Greg Kusiak [Does anyone know if they’re still looking for help testing the nvidia video driv …], Yes they are.
 I asked this because reading and writing in NFTS in Lubuntu seems a lot slower than in FAT
 @Marcelo Pugliesi [Could be, but with fat you can save one only file until 4gb], ok, i will keep NFTS
 @Marcelo Pugliesi [Could be, but with fat you can save one only file until 4gb], Thanks 😉
 @Greg Kusiak [@tsimonq2 how do I get involved?], Hans Möller:


[12:20] <guiverc> I see lots of activity on salsa.debian.org on LXQt 1.0.0  :)
 https://twitter.com/lxqt_project/status/1478640826909663232
 right but since its dead... :P (re @guiverc: Lubuntu & Xubuntu had i386 ISOs into the alpha stage of disco (19.04), and if used to install disco/19.04, package updates were obtained the life of Lubuntu 19.04  @teward001)
 the question was someone running 15.10 wanting an Ubuntu that was still supported for 32bir
 so :P
[23:32] <guiverc> that is 18.04 LTS with partial support (packages in main) as you'll already know 110%


[00:19] <greg-g> geez, jca, whats with all the connecting/disconnecting with "excess flood"?
[00:20] <greg-g> oh
[00:27] <_stink_> oh?
[00:28] <greg-g> he's not connected, hence the "jca" ;)
[00:29] <greg-g> failed tab-complete attempt
[00:29]  * snap-l has all of the parts and such turned off
[00:33] <rick_h_> heh, something broke
[00:34] <rick_h_> always feel a bit strange carrying grocery bags up to a hotel room
[00:34] <_stink_> hehe
[01:58] <rick_h_> jjesse: I don't know how you spend so much time traveling
[01:59] <jjesse> rick_h_,  what do you mean?
[02:00] <jjesse> its my job and its how i pay the bills
[02:00] <rick_h_> yea, just everything is a pita when you're on the road
[02:00] <jjesse> yes it is
[02:01] <rick_h_> amazing you get stuff done and don't kill anyone along the way :)
[02:02] <jjesse> you learn to adopt
[02:03] <jjesse> my wife and i always talk before her bed time, no matter where i am or who i am with, even if i'm out with a client
[02:03] <rick_h_> yea, but that's tough
[02:03] <rick_h_> had a google hang out with the boy and wife
[02:03] <jjesse> nice
[02:03] <rick_h_> poor guy's all "daddy up please"
[02:03] <rick_h_> mucho respect you do it
[02:03] <jjesse> i bet it would be harder just starting out, but Caleb has always know that daddy goes on trips
[02:03] <jjesse> thanks
[02:03] <rick_h_> now if only I had a movie rental service I'd relax to a movie...ugh
[02:04] <jjesse> so i guess he has adopted it
[02:04] <jjesse> adopted to it i ment
[02:04] <rick_h_> adapted :)
[02:04] <rick_h_> gotcha
[02:04] <jjesse> would be rougher if he didn't now it all the time
[02:04] <jjesse> good luck
[02:04] <rick_h_> yea, get new patterns I guess with time
[02:05] <rick_h_> still, crazy
[02:05] <jjesse> good luck
[02:05] <jjesse> after over 5 years of doing it though i don't know if i would want to go back to a normal office job
[02:14] <rick_h_> jjesse: that's cool
[02:14] <rick_h_> I like the "idea" of travel
[02:14] <rick_h_> guess for a work at home guy it's a bit of a culture shock
[02:16] <jjesse> yeah i bet it is
[02:16] <jjesse> i've been home the last 3 weeks getting a bit travel itchy :)
[12:53] <Wolfger> jjesse: s/ travel it//   :-D
[12:53] <Wolfger> morning party people
[12:54] <rick_h_> morning
[12:57] <brousch> in the place to be
[12:58] <brousch> KRS-One attacks
[13:16] <brousch> no old school in here?
[13:23] <rick_h_> guess not
[13:27] <Wolfger> must be a west-side thing
[13:29] <brousch> buncha lamers
[14:33] <brousch> now you can really hack your kindle http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720
[14:45] <snap-l> brousch: I only heard KRS-One when I was at Hope
[14:45] <snap-l> but that's not indicitive.
[14:49] <Wolfger> OK, guys and gals, get hacking.... http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720
[14:49] <Wolfger> doh'
[14:49] <Wolfger> brousch: beat me to it
[14:50] <brousch> u so slow!
[16:06] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/11/29/open-metalcast-episode-35-turkey-hangover/
[16:23] <snap-l> brousch: you get a mention in the show-notes for Tyson Boogie. :)
[16:25] <brousch> woohoo!
[17:43]  * Wolfger pokes the channel with a sharp stick
[17:50] <greg-g> does anyone else A) use Unity in 11.10 B) get weird shit with the menus when using your mouse to navigate to a menu item (eg: File -> Open).
[17:51] <greg-g> My computer gets, on a regular basis (good thing I don't use menus too much), a confusion of what should be displayed. eg: I click on File in Firefox and when I move my mouse down it changes the dropdown menu to the Time/Date widget dropdown, or the Me Menu dropdown
[18:09] <brousch> i don't remember that happening to me
[18:09] <brousch> though i did fly into a rage when i tried unity after gnome shell and couldn't find the menus because i forgot they were hidden until mouseover
[18:24] <greg-g> haha
[18:45] <Wolfger> that's obscene
[18:48] <greg-g> am I the only one not excited about google maps indoors?
[18:49] <brousch> i don't really give a crap about it
[18:49] <greg-g> awesome
[18:50] <greg-g> I mean, I even live in the area where there are probably some of the most indoor places mapped, but, I would rather not have yet another reason for people to walk around looking down at their phones and not the world around them
[18:50] <rick_h_> heh, I'll let you know
[18:50] <rick_h_> ATL is one of the areas
[18:51] <rick_h_> so if it helps when I'm out then I'll like it
[18:51] <rick_h_> if not...whatever
[18:51] <greg-g> :)
[18:52] <Wolfger> greg-g: wtf are you talking about? I have no idea what this is. :-p
[18:52] <Wolfger> Indoor maps on Google? Are they using x-ray satellites now?
[18:52] <rick_h_> Wolfger: go catch up on rss for a bit :)
[18:53] <greg-g> http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-frontier-for-google-maps-mapping.html
[18:53] <Wolfger> gah
[18:54] <Wolfger> OK, that's pretty cool
[18:55] <brousch> yeah, after reading the article it is nice
[18:55] <brousch> i was thinking more indoors street view
[18:55] <Blazeix> I like that malls are doing it; no more trying to find those dumb little map posts.
[18:56] <brousch> greg-g: this is what i thought you were taliking about http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395479,00.asp
[18:58] <greg-g> brousch: oh, huh, yeah, that's pretty dumb
[18:59] <Wolfger> yeah, that's lame
[20:58] <snap-l> Howdy
[20:58] <snap-l> back from the land of Swedish meatballs. :)
[21:00] <brousch> and green goop?
[21:00] <snap-l> green goop?
[21:00] <ColonelPanic001> green poop
[21:00] <snap-l> sounds painful
[21:02] <brousch> green goop http://twitgoo.com/515zkm
[21:02] <snap-l> That's cranberries with parsley
[21:02] <brousch> looks like green goop
[21:02] <brousch> maybe it will make green poop?
[21:03] <snap-l> maybe
[21:03] <snap-l> OK, back out. bbl.
[21:05] <greg-g> busy body today
[21:22] <krondor> ugh and I thought I could finally get rid of BES servers; http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/29/us-rim-idUSTRE7AS0A720111129
[21:24] <rick_h_> bah, walking to coffee shop and they'veonly got 6 tables all full
[21:24] <rick_h_> hippie hangouts ftl
[21:24] <rick_h_> krondor: didn't you hear? BB is going to turn into a software company
[21:25] <rick_h_> can't see devices in the US, but hey, we've got enough regulations they can make $$ building services for the real popular smart phones
[21:26] <krondor> yuck
[21:47] <greg-g> I'm sad this is a won't fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/deja-dup/+bug/324631
[21:49] <_stink_> +1 for updating the report with good links, though greg-g
[21:50] <greg-g> thanks :)
[23:00] <jrwren> is it me, or has ubuntu gotten way more complex than it used to be? networkmanager and upstart and update-notifier seems like it adds a lot of complexity for not much benefit
[23:01] <rick_h_> but but but...I agree
[23:01] <rick_h_> but I'm not normal, so don't take my opinion on the matter
[23:02] <jrwren> i'm not normal either, aparently.
[23:02] <jrwren> at least with the manual stuff i could track down how things work.
[23:02] <jrwren> is it me, or has ubuntu gotten way more complex than it used to be? networkmanager and upstart and update-notifier seems like it adds a lot of complexity for not much benefit
[23:02] <jrwren> oops.
[23:02] <jrwren> lolz.
[23:03] <jrwren> i haven't had to deal with them being broken until now
[23:05]  * greg-g is considering jumping ship
[23:05] <greg-g> but I was also just appointed to the LoCo Council ;)
[23:05] <jrwren> lol.
[23:06] <jrwren> maybe you can help fix stuff.  complain really loudly
[23:06] <greg-g> use that planet.ubunt access for good!
[23:06] <rick_h_> heh, greg-g been there done that
[23:06] <rick_h_> they all have different issues
[23:06] <greg-g> yep
[23:06] <jrwren> i can't figure out why my bridge interface doesn't start on boot. I have to login, ifdown and ifup on it, then it works.
[23:07] <greg-g> huh


[01:46] <damit23> hey all ..
[01:47] <damit23> i upgraded from hardy heron to 10.10 and now my maudio 1010lt is no longer outputting audio
[01:48] <damit23> its detected fine and alsamixer/envy24control work as expected .. in the sound preferences i get only combinations of digital input / digital output / digital surround but no analogue
[01:49] <CFHowlett> http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?21403-Setting-up-1010lt-in-ubuntu
[01:49] <CFHowlett> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVx56WMsHc
[01:49] <damit23> tnx CFHowlett
[01:49] <CFHowlett> no problems
[02:01] <damit23> hm stange nothing its like the players and things that make noise are doing there job
[02:01] <damit23> but there is just nothing comming out and envy24controls vu meters are not jumping
[02:06] <damit23> if i apt-get install linux-rt will that install every thing i need to test it under the RT kernel?
[02:07] <damit23> CFHowlett, i tried via audacious which is pretty clear about which card/mixer/mixer element its trying to use so it must be something to do with the module in 2.6.32
[02:08] <CFHowlett> damit23   rt is built for low/no lag uses.  I'm not sure it'll address your interface issues.  When I've run Ubuntu studio on the normal kernel, my options still appeared...
[02:08] <CFHowlett> sadly, my help must be limited.  I'm one of those weird LTS only users, so I'm still on 10.04 ...
[02:10] <damit23> im sure the dist upgrade thingy said 10.10 is LTS :)
[02:16] <CFHowlett> 10.10 is NOT LTS.  sorry.  10.04 is current LTS.  12.04 is the next LTS.
[02:17] <holstein> yeah.. 10.04... 12.04
[02:17] <holstein> damit23: the thingy didnt say 10.10 lts
[02:17] <damit23> i swear it did lol !!!
[02:17] <holstein> nope
[02:17] <damit23> maybe its confused in hardy heron
[02:18] <holstein> nah.. 8.04 is LTS.. that would upgrade to 8.10 or 10.04
[02:18] <holstein> i dont upgrade though.. sometimes i try it to test the path, then i fresh install right after
[02:23] <damit23> ok well i am going to try 2.6.31 RT
[02:24] <damit23> this is a dead horsy i think .. normally as soon as you modprobe the ice1712 module you hear a chime play and it never happened either
[02:24] <holstein> from what i hear, you just select it in JACK and start it up
[02:24] <holstein> you might be trying to do too much
[02:24] <damit23> i am just trying to use it directly on alsa
[02:24] <holstein> folks in the #opensourcemusicians channel have that hardware
[02:24] <holstein> damit23: yeah? .. not sure how that works
[02:25] <holstein> i would just select it in alsamixer
[02:25] <holstein> i would try and disable the other cards in the bios
[02:25] <holstein> i would try installing pavucontrol
[02:26] <holstein> could be the implementaion of pulse
[02:26] <holstein> 8.04 is *quite* different
[02:26] <damit23> yeah its free of pulse
[02:26] <holstein> cool
[02:26] <holstein> it didnt come that way
[02:27] <damit23> i might of removed it
[02:27] <holstein> i would look into what you did to make it pulse-free and make sure you didnt break functionality
[02:27] <damit23> it was like 8 years ago or something
[02:27] <holstein> i have both pulse and non-pulse systems
[02:27] <holstein> both have issues
[02:27] <holstein> damit23: you should have pulse if you just upgraded to 10.04
[02:27] <holstein> if you upgraded, and didnt do anything to *not* have pulse, you probably have pulse
[02:27] <holstein> you can try the 12.04 live CD
[02:27] <holstein> you can try reinstalling
[02:27] <damit23> yeah btw sorry i was wrong it did upgrade me to 10.04 not 10.10
[02:28] <holstein> damit23: right.. i never thought it was 10.10 ;)
[02:28]  * damit23 slaps him self with a iron hammer
[02:28] <holstein> anyways.. theres no reason to avoid pulse, unless you have a reason
[02:28] <holstein> i would try with pulse, from a live CD, or try JACK just to see some sound come out ot the hardware
[02:29] <damit23> ok i have not tried jack but jack is just going to use alsa as the back end
[02:29] <CFHowlett> holstein   on 10.04, he'd need the rt kernel to run jack, would he not?
[02:29] <holstein> i assure you more that one person in #opensourcemusicians uses that hardware in ubuntu
[02:29] <holstein> CFHowlett: wouldnt *need* it
[02:29] <holstein> to get lower latency sure
[02:29]  * damit23 install qjackctl
[02:29] <holstein> damit23: ?
[02:30] <holstein> you should have it man
[02:30] <holstein> if you had ubuntustudio
[02:30] <CFHowlett> exactly
[02:30] <holstein> and you upgraded to ubuntustudio 10.04
[02:30] <holstein> if you dont, you dont have ubuntustudio, or you didnt have it
[02:30] <holstein> which is fine, im not saying you need to leave
[02:30] <holstein> im just trying to provide you with support for the hardware you are saying doesnt work
[02:30] <damit23> it was ubuntustudio ifirc
[02:31] <holstein> and i feel like it might be due to some customizations, or some misunderstanding as to what software you are actually running
[02:31] <damit23> aha
[02:37] <damit23> suspending pulseaudio is the key
[02:38] <holstein> yeah?
[02:38] <holstein> so, you have pulseaudio then?
[02:38] <damit23> absolutely
[02:38] <damit23> yeah after the upgrade from hardy heron
[02:40] <damit23> well this is a relief ;]
[02:40] <holstein> you might want to check out the 12.04 live CD
[02:41] <holstein> 12.04 is out and stable next month
[02:41] <holstein> you might want to be using the current system
[02:41] <holstein> no reason to get used to 10.04 and use it for a year or so past EOL
[02:42] <holstein> the 12.04 core will be getting updates for 5 years
[02:42] <damit23> well thats certainly compelling
[02:42] <CFHowlett> absolutely agree on that point.
[02:42] <holstein> i mean, im using 10.04 on my production machine, but im going to 12.04 ASAP
[02:43] <damit23> so i am guessing there must be something missing from pulse to not be showing me the analogue options
[02:43] <holstein> damit23: pavucontrol mabye
[02:43] <CFHowlett> damit23   have you ever run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:43] <holstein> i dont know anyone that doesnt use JACK with that card
[02:44] <damit23> thats exactly what i did to go from 8.0.4 to 10.04 CFHowlett
[02:44] <holstein> yeah, you can do that if you like
[02:44] <damit23> which by the way went flawlessly .. congrats devs -bow-
[02:44] <holstein> but, i would personally want a fresh install
[02:44] <CFHowlett> damit23   nope.  dist-release will upgrade a release.  dist-upgrade will only upgrade packages for that distro.
[02:44] <damit23> ok i did it through the gui
[02:45] <CFHowlett> damit23   just for fun, try these in your terminal:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:45] <damit23> it said -distribution upgrade-  and said it was going to upgrade to 10.04 so that is a 'dist-release upgrade' then i take it
[02:56] <damit23> mplayer -ao pulse blabla.mp3 does not work either
[02:57] <holstein> i dont think pulse works that way
[02:57] <holstein> i would just open up vlc and try it
[02:57] <holstein> i would try something other than an .mp3
[02:57] <holstein> if sound works, then its likely a codec thing
[03:03] <damit23> heh
[03:03] <damit23> vlc outputs nothing on either pulse or alsa
[03:04] <holstein> OK... with the mp3?
[03:04] <damit23> yup
[03:04] <holstein> i feel confident we can get you playing an audio file
[03:04] <holstein> damit23: can you try and ogg? or a wav? you have sound otherwise, correct?
[03:04] <damit23> surely lol i just did with jack as the sound server
[03:05] <holstein> damit23: jack has to be configured properly
[03:05] <holstein> then VLC has to be configured to use JACK
[03:05] <holstein> OR, you need a JACK friendly player
[03:05] <holstein> JACK is not something you just fire up and use
[03:05] <damit23> yeah thats not a problem
[03:05] <holstein> damit23: yeah?
[03:05] <damit23> jack just suspends pulse
[03:05] <holstein> correct
[03:05] <damit23> and it works as expected
[03:05] <holstein> and thats what you want
[03:06] <damit23> welll yeah but apps can and should be able to just use alsa or pulse directly
[03:07] <holstein> damit23: JACK kills that
[03:07] <damit23> only if its Running!#
[03:07] <holstein> damit23: JACK is not something you want to just fire up and use
[03:07] <holstein> damit23: or if you didnt kill it
[03:07] <holstein> or if its running and you dont know
[03:07] <holstein> or running on a different card than you expected
[03:07] <holstein> or misconfigured
[03:07] <damit23> i would know .. i am kind of jackd developer :)
[03:08] <holstein> damit23: cool
[03:08] <damit23> i think this is why i ripped pulse out of hardy heron originally
[03:08] <holstein> enjoy.... you might want to try and catch one of the guys in #opensourcemusicians with that specific hardware
[03:08] <holstein> damit23: i have issues both ways personally
[03:09] <holstein> i mean, rip out what you like...
[03:09] <holstein> but nothing about pulse is improperly functioning
[03:09] <holstein> im not a pulse, alsa or JACK dev
[03:09] <damit23> I just want to use the apps i originally had working fine ones with there own back end support
[03:09] <damit23> mplayer supports every sound driver on the planet just about
[03:09] <damit23> so does liquidsoap
[03:09] <damit23> so does vlc
[03:10] <damit23> so does mplayer
[03:10] <damit23> so does ogg123
[03:10] <holstein> sure.. tell VLC to use JACK and it will
[03:10] <damit23> wtf
[03:20] <damit23> apt-get remove pulseaudio
[03:21] <holstein> sure... remove what you want, but i think it might be more envolved than that.. or maybe you want to find one of those folks i mentioned who are using 10.04 through 11.10 with that exact hardware
[03:21] <holstein> maybe http://howto.blbosti.com/2010/04/ubuntu-make-alsa-default-instead-of-pulseaudio/ is enough
[03:22] <damit23> yep mplayer is still trying to select pulse first
[03:23] <damit23> i guess thats just what it knows in .mplayer
[03:24]  * damit23 reads
[03:27] <damit23> hahaa
[03:27] <damit23> killall -9 pulseaudio
[03:27] <damit23> that would help
[03:27] <damit23> i know i should of use pkill to do it politely
[03:28] <damit23> Yaaaaay
[03:28] <damit23> ::)
[03:34] <damit23> thanks for your time holstein
[03:34] <holstein> damit23: sure.. anytime
[03:45] <al4nc4ds> ubuntu studio 12.04 beta1 very nice!
[03:45] <holstein> al4nc4ds: glad you like it.. you mind if i ask what kernel you are using?
[03:45] <holstein> the *-lowlatency one?
[03:46] <al4nc4ds> eeepc@laptop:~$ uname -na
[03:46] <al4nc4ds> Linux laptop 3.2.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 16 16:27:15 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:47] <al4nc4ds> holstein, this is?
[03:47] <holstein> not sure when we are getting that lowlatency one in there
[03:47] <holstein> anyways.. just asking
[03:48] <al4nc4ds> not understood
[03:49] <al4nc4ds> what are you using?
[03:50] <holstein> al4nc4ds: ill be using 10.04 on my production rig til next month, or i get time to migrate
[03:50] <holstein> al4nc4ds: im testing 12.04 though
[03:51] <al4nc4ds> holstein, 100% full on
[03:51] <al4nc4ds> http://alancads.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/nvidia-optimus-no-ubuntu-12-04/
[03:53] <al4nc4ds> holstein, goodbye []`s
[05:03] <damit23> see you round holstein tnx again
[06:33] <ailo> holstein: envy24 devices don't work with PA until maybe 12.04
[06:34] <ailo> There were some hacks to get it working in the past, but those only worked with some releases
[06:34] <ailo> alsa/PA formality issue
[12:02] <ailo> 4
[12:45] <HiDeHo> Hi all nyone here atm
[12:46] <HiDeHo> i am wanting to find another drum machinn. hydrogen does not have any drumb beets or songs available
[13:22] <HiDeHo> Hi does ubuntu studio have a opterissed kernel.


[07:55]  * ogra_ will not make this mornings landing team meeting (got to get a sick cat to the vet), but i will do smoke testign for image #6 on maguro right after i return
[11:56] <popey> ogra_: #6 seems good to me.
[11:56]  * ogra_ just returned from the vet ... will test soon
[11:56] <ogra_> the dashboard doesnt look so good though
[12:02] <sil2100> hmm, I wonder what's up on the mir front exactly
[12:03] <sil2100> Since I see a u-s-c mir dependency bump failed autolanding, I see u-s-c disabled from cu2d-config - along with platform-api
[12:07] <sil2100> Not sure if I should re-enable u-s-c and platform-api already
[12:07] <sil2100> Didn't get a solid 'go for it' from Kevin
[12:09] <ogra_> sil2100, did you guys have the meeting this morning (i couldnt come as i mentioned above )
[12:09] <ogra_> (oh, i just notice you only joined after i pinged the channel)
[12:12] <sil2100> ogra_: I probably missed it, since I thought we were having meetings at 10:30 of my time, this one was probably one hour before that - wasn't informed of it
[12:13] <ogra_> well, i was ignoring the broken gcal and assuming we'd have it at 10:30 (but couldnt come due to a vet appontment)
[12:13] <ogra_> DST and gcal are ususally a big fail anyway
[12:14] <sil2100> Ah, time changes...
[12:14] <sil2100> Well anyway, I wasn't on any meeting today sadly - not sure who was on it in the end
[12:15] <ogra_> i doubt anyone was then
[12:15]  * ogra_ thought lool would return today
[12:45] <sil2100> ogra_: do you know if the merger uses the daily-build PPA right now in any way?
[12:46]  * sil2100 would need fginther
[12:46] <ogra_> no idea, sorry
[12:46] <ogra_> yeah, i was about to mention him :)
[12:51] <fginther> morning
[12:51] <fginther> sil2100, morning
[12:51] <sil2100> fginther: morrrning!
[12:52] <sil2100> fginther: my question to the usage of daily-build is related to this merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-system-compositor/bump-mir-0.1.0/+merge/192701
[12:53] <sil2100> fginther: the merge seems to be failing because of missing dependencies, while lp:mir and daily-build have mir 0.1.0 already
[12:54] <fginther> sil2100, looking
[12:55] <fginther> sil2100, the mir stack is configured not to use the daily-build ppa. Tryng to figure out why...
[12:56] <sil2100> fginther: maybe in the past it was causing some problems, Didier would probably know more
[12:57] <fginther> sil2100, the commit comment indicates a launchpad connection issue. But I can't recall the details... I'll renable it
[13:00] <sil2100> fginther: thanks! I guess this would help us with getting this in and pushing on the transition
[13:30] <fginther> sil2100, merged now
[13:30] <sil2100> fginther: thanks again!
[14:00] <plars> ogra_, asac: Not sure who else would be interested - webbrowser on mako seems to inconsistent at times still, passed on maguro, but failed all on mako. I reran and down to one failure on mako though
[14:00] <plars> this is for image 6
[14:01] <ogra_> plars, great, thanks
[14:01] <plars> ogra_: I'll probably give it a few more retries
[14:01] <plars> ogra_: we aren't having the landing meeting today right?
[14:01] <ogra_> yeah, even though the test should be fixed (or the app or whatever the cause is here)
[14:02] <ogra_> plars, not sure, if there was one this morning, i couldnt attend it due to a personal emergency
[14:02] <ogra_> and i dont know if we need one this evening ...
[14:03] <plars> asac, ogra_: I'll try to just watch the pipeline spreadsheet extra  close, but if we could have some extra communication about builds as they are decided on, it might be helpful this week
[14:04] <ogra_> yep
[14:04] <plars> I don't see anything marked for 7 at the moment, so I'm guessing we won't see one until much later today at the earliest
[14:04] <ogra_> well, i might be traveling from wed. on
[14:04] <ogra_> (depends if the cat recovers, else i'll stay at home)
[14:04] <plars> ok
[14:11] <lool> ogra_: I'm in Oakland
[14:11] <lool> ogra_: so TZ wise, 2 hours ago was a bit early  :-)
[14:11] <lool> it's 7amish here
[14:12] <ogra_> pfft, just live your jetlag
[14:12] <ogra_> :)
[14:12] <ogra_> lool, i didnt knwo you are in oakland though :)
[14:17] <popey> Everyone should stay on UTC, no matter where they are. Simple.
[14:18] <ogra_> yeah
[14:24] <ogra_> oh, awesome ... reloading http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/ i can re-generate OOPS-IDs
[14:24] <ogra_> :P
[14:24] <ogra_> cjohnston, ^^^ is there a server down ?
[14:26] <cjohnston> ogra_: looking
[14:30] <plars> yeah, webbrowser completely passes now
[14:30] <ogra_> yay
[14:33] <plars> ogra_: I should have the .crash stuff working better and uploading properly by the next image
[14:33] <ogra_> wow, cool
[14:50] <ogra_> cjohnston, seems to be back
[14:51] <cjohnston> thanks ogra_
[14:52] <ogra_> plars, what do you think about filemanager on maguro ... would that be worth retrying ?
[14:52] <ogra_> (seems to have two more fails than #5)
[16:00] <fginther> cjohnston, are you still working any cihelp issues?
[16:01] <cjohnston> no sir.. just filling out an incident log
[16:09] <plars> ogra_: ping
[16:09] <ogra_> plars, just ask :)
[16:09] <plars> ogra_: weren't we supposed to get a phablet-tools fix around build 6 also?
[16:09] <plars> ogra_: I know it's not really part of the image
[16:09] <ogra_> i think that landed already
[16:09] <plars> ogra_: but we were waiting on it so we could land some other things
[16:09] <plars> ogra_: I don't think so, I don't see an update in the ppa at least since 1022
[16:10] <doanac> its also not update in-archive on saucy
[16:10]  * ogra_ knows he approved at least two commits for the last package
[16:11] <doanac> ogra_: a commit went through: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/revision/213#debian/changelog
[16:12] <ogra_> doanac, yeah, thats the one i mean
[16:12] <doanac> but my saucy still has a version from 20131016
[16:12] <ogra_> and i see it on trusty-changes ftom friday
[16:12] <plars> ogra_: oh, and on filemanager (sorry was in a meeting earlier) I can retry it, but it's *very* inconsistent. If you look at the graph of previous builds, it's all over the place. psivaa already reran it once to get it down to that
[16:13] <ogra_> doanac, oh, you probably want to ask someone to enable saucy builds for the PPA then
[16:13] <ogra_> seems that was missed after release
[16:13] <doanac> ogra_: note the precise PPA hasn't built either
[16:13] <plars> I mentioned that on friday, not sure who would do that
[16:13] <ogra_> hmm
[16:13] <plars> doanac: you could use the citeam ppa if you want newer also. Maybe we should just use that for phoenix?
[16:13]  * ogra_ has no idea how that level of builds works
[16:14] <doanac> ogra_: no worries. I'll bother fginther now
[16:14] <ogra_> doanac, i think sergiuens might know some thing more
[16:14] <doanac> sergiuens, fginther: seems like phablet-tools PPA isn't updating for precise
[16:14] <doanac> (or any other releases)
[16:14] <ogra_> i know he initially set that stuff up (or at least aksed the right people to do it for him)
[16:14] <fginther> doanac, looking
[16:15] <doanac> plars: agree, but also want to make sure we get this sorted out in the real PPA since it has an important bug fix
[16:15] <plars> ogra_: I know one thing on the filemanager tests psivaa was looking at earlier was a path issue and due to other tests dropping files around, and we're hoping that the modification in phablet-tools might help with that also
[16:15] <plars> doanac: yes
[16:16] <ogra_> plars, well. its in the archive since friday
[16:16] <ogra_> plars, or are you using saucy over there ?
[16:16] <plars> ogra_: on the ci server, no it's precise
[16:16] <ogra_> oh
[16:20] <fginther> plars, doanac, 1.0+14.04.20131025-0ubuntu1 is now being published to the ppa
[16:20] <plars> fginther: cool
[16:44] <cyphermox> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/platform-api/changelog-fix/+merge/192899
[16:45] <sil2100> cyphermox: thanks! Just noticed this one ;)
[16:45] <cyphermox> aye
[16:45] <cyphermox> I only just tried to rebuild it
[16:45] <Mirv> cyphermox: approved
[16:46] <sil2100> cyphermox: approved
[16:46] <cyphermox> hold on, sil2100, I'll have a merge for you too ;)
[16:47] <Mirv> sil2100: too late :)
[16:47] <sil2100> Mirv: 5 second difference between our approvals :D
[16:50] <ogra_> oh, hmm
[16:50]  * ogra_ notices that he has two conflicting meetings now
[16:53] <sil2100> cyphermox: can I respin the platform stack?
[16:53] <sil2100> cyphermox: (changelog merge is in)
[16:54] <cyphermox> please don't
[16:54] <cyphermox> I'll take care of it shortly
[16:54] <cyphermox> sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/cupstream2distro-config/mir-abi-bump-testing/+merge/192901
[16:54] <sil2100> cyphermox: cool
[16:55] <sil2100> cyphermox: approved, thanks
[16:56] <sil2100> cyphermox: anyway, desktop with xmir looks good here as well
[16:56] <sil2100> So I guess a +1 from my side as well
[17:02] <sil2100> Ah, we don't have the meeting today it seems ;)
[17:03] <ogra_> yeah
[17:03] <ogra_> i dont see anyone els e
[17:03]  * ogra_ goes to the other meeting then
[17:13] <ogra_> plars, uh, what happened ? the maguro tests went for 38 failures to 52
[17:14] <ogra_> wow, filemanager testing seems to be really bad :/
[17:22] <plars> ogra_: yeah, I'm rerunning it again
[17:22] <plars> ogra_: told you it was bad :)
[17:22] <ogra_> heh, yeah i should have listened
[17:41] <plars> balloons: file manager is really all over the place
[17:41] <plars> balloons: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/trusty-touch-maguro-smoke-ubuntu-filemanager-app-autopilot/
[17:41] <plars> psivaa: ^
[17:41] <balloons> plars, I intended to get back to looking at these this week
[17:41] <balloons> there are other things in the world I have to look at sometimes ;-p
[17:43] <plars> balloons: I know :)
[17:43] <balloons> anyways I'll look at file manager now, for psivaa's sake :-)
[17:46] <psivaa> why is that for my sake :)
[18:05]  * fginther will be out for about 1 hour
[18:23] <cyphermox> Mirv: sil2100: robru: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/cupstream2distro-config/unity-system-compo-reenable/+merge/192922
[18:27] <psivaa> plars: the filemanger test are back to 3 failures now, i had to delete 'Renamed File' as well before running
[18:28] <sil2100> cyphermox: right, I redeployed with that re-enabled, but if you did any redeploys recently then it got reverted
[18:28] <psivaa> plars: balloons: this 'Renamed File' is supposed to be deleted in the tests but that's being left unclean as well.
[18:28] <cyphermox> sil2100: I just did redeploy with it enabled again, so no worries
[18:30] <balloons> psivaa, duely noted
[18:31] <psivaa> plars: so what's happening when more entries are present in /home/phablet/ is that any new files or folders that the tests create are created at the bottom of the list
[18:31] <psivaa> and that they are not visible for any folder operations like 'press and hold' to bring up the pop over toolbar.
[18:32] <psivaa> plars: this is making all those uncertain failures
[19:27] <sergiusens> fginther, are you writing retries for https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/phablet-tools-trusty-i386-autolanding/7/console too?
[19:27]  * ogra_ hugs plars
[19:27] <ogra_> you rock !!!
[19:28] <ogra_> 35 fails for image 6 on both devices
[19:28] <fginther> sergiusens, ugh
[19:30] <fginther> sergiusens, yes, that bzr code is wrapped in a retry loop, but it looks like it either needs to retry/wait longer or something else is borked
[20:37] <plars> ogra_: psivaa deserves much of that credit, he got the filemanager stuff working a bit better :)
[20:58] <cyphermox> Mirv: robru: how did your results look for unity8 autopilot tests?
[21:14] <Mirv> (mako 22/22 pass, maguro 20/22 pass)
[22:14] <cyphermox> robru: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYBw_o_2nG0
[22:14] <cyphermox> s/banana/cookies/g
[22:21] <Mirv> cjwatson: hi, we're missing unity8 in some limbo. it was published from cu2d around 20mins ago and now checked by didier as well and tried to be republished 5mins ago (without errors), still we're not seeing it in anywhere.
[22:22] <Mirv> cjwatson: the unity-mir that was published at the same time is there and several packages after that
[22:24] <cjwatson> Mirv: what version number?
[22:25] <Mirv> cjwatson: 7.83+14.04.20131028-0ubuntu1
[22:26] <cjwatson> <PlainPackageCopyJob to copy package unity8 from ubuntu/daily-build, RELEASE pocket, in ubuntu trusty to ubuntu/primary, PROPOSED pocket, in ubuntu trusty, including binaries>
[22:26] <cjwatson> raised CannotCopy:
[22:26] <cjwatson> unity8 7.83+14.04.20131028-0ubuntu1 in trusty (source has no binaries to be copied)
[22:26] <cjwatson> that suggests somebody tried to copy it before it was built?
[22:27] <cjwatson> Indeed it failed to build everywhere
[22:27] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+packages?field.name_filter=unity8&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[22:27] <cjwatson> No idea why this passed cu2d but it shouldn't have done :-)
[22:28] <Mirv> cjwatson: sudden sense of revelation in this table
[22:28] <cjwatson> :-)
[22:28] <cjwatson> Looks like maybe just retrying those builds would work - maybe it was tried before unity-mir was built/published
[22:30] <Mirv> cjwatson: sorry for the noise, and thanks. maybe that log some day could be parsed/outputted somewhere?
[22:31] <cjwatson> Yeah, it's fiddly but possible
[22:31] <cjwatson> It does get mailed but it'd go to the archive robot which is a mailbox I never read
[22:32] <cjwatson> For inter-PPA copies it gets shown in the web UI but not for copies to primary
[22:32] <cyphermox> pretty sure that's the exact reason
[22:33] <cyphermox> Mirv: it's most likely because I told you to go ahead and kill off the follow-up jobs to check that things were built and published, so that you could go ahead with starting the unity8 build
[22:33] <Mirv> right
[22:33] <thomi> fginther: any way you can seed the ppa:autopilot/experimental PPA with a full compliment of trusty packages please?
[22:34] <cyphermox> since we were doing manual testing, it was fine for *that*, kind of
[22:34] <cyphermox> but tbh I didn't have unity8 in my list, I'll add it
[22:34] <fginther> thomi, sure, I can't get to it right now, but can have it done by tomorrow
[22:35] <thomi> thanks man
[22:37] <Mirv> hopefully of course all this manual testing is a thing of the past soon enough
[22:41] <popey> lol
[22:42] <cjwatson> if anyone's watching this time, I made a request on Friday
[22:42] <cjwatson> 17:13 <cjwatson> I've got a new packagekit upstream I'd like to upload, merged from Debian; I've tested it on grouper and click handling still seems to work as I'd expect
[22:42] <cjwatson> 17:13 <cjwatson> any objections or shall I go ahead?
[22:42] <cjwatson> 17:13 <cjwatson> not especially major changes
[22:42] <cjwatson> 17:13 <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6301459/
[22:47] <popey> ☻


[21:42] <cnd> dandrader, can you verify https://bugs.launchpad.net/utouch-geis/+bug/984069 is fixed in precise-proposed?
[21:42] <cnd> you should be able to with your new laptop :)
[21:43] <dandrader> cnd, yeah. but right now I'm in the process of verifying https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/979418
[21:43] <cnd> dandrader, good stuff :)
[21:43] <cnd> thanks
[21:44] <dandrader> horribly boring presentation


[01:04] <angello> alguem do brasil?
[01:11] <angello> ?
[17:22] <bashfulrobot> Humbedooh29 / angello - we mostly hang out (with the community) over at https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/.
[17:22] <bashfulrobot> You will get way more help there.


[03:45] <bray90820> What's the live password for kubuntu 23.10
[04:52] <VanUnamed> hey hey
[04:53] <VanUnamed> is it possible to downgrade plasma to 5.08 instead of the 5.27
[06:47] <guiverc> VanUnamed, possibly if you compiled from source, but 5.08 is ancient & Qt5/KF5 may not match apps in repositories thus may require quite a bit to change (5.08 is ancient)
 hi guys in here anyone use dracut!
 hi guys in here anyone use dracut! i need a help
[08:27] <rfz> no i didnt have dracut
[08:33] <VanUnamed> 5.08 is not ancient!
 what is default ubuntu initramfs?
[08:38] <Guest96> Hello to all!
[13:47] <mybalzitch> IrcsomeBot: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-78-generic or whatever your kernel version is
[13:47] <mybalzitch> bah stupid bridge people
[13:47] <mybalzitch> sorry, poor language
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:40] <BIGP> hi I have an issue, I uninstalled network manager -_-
[16:40] <BIGP> anyone can help me? please?
[16:47] <GrumpyOldAdmin> @BIGP sudo apt install network-manager
[16:47] <BIGP> yep I tried but I dont have internet connection in this pc
[16:49] <GrumpyOldAdmin> @BIGP sudo dhclient eth0 <--make eth0 whatever the name of your actual interface is.
[16:50] <GrumpyOldAdmin> ip a will get your the interface names
[17:26] <user|73> Please pass for OEM login
[19:08] <user|83> Hello, i recently switched over to linux so i am a total newbie:D  I read somewhere that i should not use the apt update/upgrades on kubuntu, and always should wait for the software to inform me about updates, is this correct? I'm using the 22.04lts version and just saw that i could get the jammy-update 2.0-1ubuntu4.2, should i ignore it or can i
[19:08] <user|83> go for it?
[20:34] <mybalzitch> I hope they went for it
[22:42] <user|90> Hi everyone
[22:42] <user|90> The menu editor does not save the changes, I have that problem.
[23:22] <SuperDarke> hey gang


[20:58] <thumper> storage_test.go:147:
[20:58] <thumper>     c.Assert(info, jc.DeepEquals, expect)
[20:58] <thumper> ... obtained state.FilesystemAttachmentInfo = state.FilesystemAttachmentInfo{MountPoint:"", ReadOnly:true}
[20:58] <thumper> ... expected state.FilesystemAttachmentInfo = state.FilesystemAttachmentInfo{MountPoint:"", ReadOnly:true}
[20:58] <thumper> ... mismatch at .ReadOnly: unequal; obtained true; expected true
[20:58] <thumper> WTH?
[21:22] <fwereade> menn0, offhand, why does envStateCollection reject bson.M queries?
[21:23]  * menn0 has to look at the code
[21:24] <thumper> fwereade: did you see that error above?
[21:24] <fwereade> menn0, I think it's just a "nobody uses bsom.M queries" unless you know different
[21:24] <fwereade> thumper, huh
[21:24] <fwereade> thumper, that's ...interesting :/
[21:24] <thumper> yeah...
[21:24] <menn0> fwereade: I /think/ it was that they weren't being used so YAGNI
[21:25] <fwereade> menn0, cool
[21:25] <menn0> fwereade: there's no technical reason they couldn't be supported
[21:25] <fwereade> menn0, yeah, I've already written it :)
[21:25] <menn0> fwereade: map based queries are slightly finicky/dangerous anyway
[21:25] <menn0> fwereade: b/c of field ordering
[21:25] <fwereade> menn0, just thought I'd better check there wasn't a good reason
[21:26] <fwereade> menn0, hmm, can it subtly change complex queries?
[21:27] <menn0> fwereade: more that a query might not used a query if the field order in the query doesn't match
[21:27] <fwereade> menn0, I've tended to use bson.D out of habit, but .Ms are often that tiny bit cleaner to write so I've started using them a bit
[21:27] <menn0> fwereade: might not use an INDEX
[21:27] <fwereade> menn0, ahhhhh
[21:27] <menn0> sorry... haven't had my second coffee
[21:28] <menn0> I agree .M's are much nicer to write and read
[21:28] <menn0> you just have to be a little more careful
[21:28] <fwereade> menn0, anyway, I did not know that, can you point me to an example/doc/something?
[21:29] <fwereade> menn0, apart from anythinng else this likely means I've been writing my .Ds in a dumb order, because I don;t know what a good one is
[21:30] <menn0> fwereade: sorry, ignore what I said about indexes
[21:30] <menn0> fwereade: i'm being dumb
[21:30] <menn0> fwereade: i'm was misremembering this: http://devblog.me/wtf-mongo (first section)
[21:30] <menn0> fwereade: .M's are only really a problem if you're trying to exactly match a embedded document
[21:31] <menn0> fwereade: which we rarely/never do
[21:31] <fwereade> menn0, ah, ok, cool
[21:31] <menn0> fwereade: so using .M's is almost always fine
[21:31] <fwereade> menn0, I suppose I also don't know how it handles repeated names, so a conversion from D to M could be fun if they were significant
[21:32] <menn0> fwereade: do we do that?
[21:33] <fwereade> menn0, not as far as I'm aware, but I do the opposite in the M-handling because it seemed most conveniennt (and should be safe ;))
[21:33] <menn0> fwereade: yep, sure
[21:33]  * menn0 slinks away to make another coffee
[21:34] <fwereade> menn0, waigani, thumper: by the way I have a question on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2078/ that you might collectively know the answer to
[21:36] <fwereade> namely how exactly should cleanupsC interact with env destruction?
[21:36] <menn0> fwereade: cleanupsC was removed at runtime? that rings a slight bell, and also sounds like a terrible idea
[21:36] <fwereade> menn0, it was pretty clearly accidental
[21:37] <fwereade> menn0, foo := multiEnvCollections; foo.Remove(cleaupsC)
[21:37] <fwereade> menn0, can't even remember if it was in code or in test
[21:37] <menn0> fwereade: that does ring a bell
[21:37] <fwereade> menn0, either way I raged momentarily and moved on ;)
[21:37]  * menn0 checks for that code
[21:38] <fwereade> menn0, it's somewhere in the red in that review, I'm pretty sure
[21:38] <menn0> fwereade: found it. it's in a test.
[21:39] <menn0> fwereade: oh... and in implementation
[21:39] <fwereade> ha :(
[21:39] <menn0> there was a func which returned a copy of the multiEnvCollections but without cleanupsC
[21:40] <menn0> / newEnvAliveColls returns a copy of multiEnvCollections minus cleanupsC.
[21:40] <menn0> / This set is used to check if a txn needs to assert that there is a live
[21:40] <menn0> / environment be inserting docs.
[21:40] <menn0> func newEnvAliveColls() set.Strings {
[21:40] <menn0> 	e := set.NewStrings(multiEnvCollections.Values()...)
[21:40] <menn0> 	e.Remove(cleanupsC)
[21:40] <menn0> 	return e
[21:40] <menn0> }
[21:40] <fwereade> that's the one
[21:40] <fwereade> d} and move on, deal with the fallout later :)
[21:41] <menn0> it was used to decided whether or not to the assertion for env aliveness should be added to a txn.Op
[21:41] <fwereade> oh wait that one's ok
[21:41] <menn0> for cleanupsC it shouldn't I guess
[21:41] <fwereade> yeah I have a similarly vague understanding of maybe why we might want to do that sometimes but I'm very vague
[21:42] <fwereade> I think it's ok to insert into cleanups when an env is dyinng
[21:42] <fwereade> menn0, but I don't see why we should preserve cleanups when we nuke env docs
[21:42] <fwereade> menn0, that was either happening or I briefly hallucinated it was happening
[21:43]  * fwereade is if nothing else a reliable narrator </straight-face?
[21:43] <menn0> fwereade: it seems like what you've done with ignoreInsertRestrictions covers that previous case
[21:44] <menn0> fwereade: (although I would consider calling it something like allowInsertWhenEnvNotAlive)
[21:45] <menn0> fwereade: i'm not sure about this either. I haven't done much with cleanups. waigani, cherylj and thumper probably know more than me.
[21:45] <menn0> fwereade: where do you see code that preserves cleanups when an env is nuked?
[21:53]  * thumper was reading scroll back
[21:53] <thumper> I'm not fully caught up yet
[21:53] <waigani> menn0, fwereade: cleanupsC is part of the muliEnvCollections set - so it gets removed along with the others - as the last step of destroying an environment
[21:54] <thumper> school hols, and the girls are wanting to play with my new star realms deck
[21:54] <thumper> a little time teaching them the rules may mean many hours of freedom
[21:54] <waigani> haha
[21:58] <fwereade> thumper, nice :)
[22:01] <fwereade> thumper, menn0: it's quite possible all I saw was that it wasn't immediately certain whether the removal code in the test would run before or after any other tests that might depend on its presence or otherwise
[22:41] <thumper> wallyworld: we should chat when you have a minute or two
[22:41] <wallyworld> thumper: sure, give me 5?
[22:41] <thumper> ack
[22:51] <wallyworld> thumper: 1:1?
[22:52] <thumper> yep, there shortly, just writing something
[23:48] <waigani> thumper: your bool problem, is the struct being written to/read from mongo?
[23:49] <waigani> thumper: from the mgo docs: "Bools are converted to numeric types as 1 or 0 - Numeric types are converted to bools as true if not 0 or false otherwise"
[23:49] <waigani> thumper: maybe ppc stores the bools in a weird way
[23:53] <waigani> fwereade: ping


[00:52] <aquarius> mhall119, I haven't proposed any appdev sessions because I don't know of anything which I want to happen which isn't already on someone's list.
[00:53] <aquarius> mhall119, and because I can't commit to any time to building these things, partially for job reasons and partially because I want to be an app developer, not an OS developer.
[00:53] <aquarius> mhall119, do you have sessions in mind that you think I should propose?
[00:53] <aquarius> I will of course try and be present for UDS sessions!
[00:53] <popey> yay
[01:19] <aquarius> popey, I admit that this is not really much help.
[10:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; and though I hesitate to say it, happy Men Make Dinner Day! :-D
[10:03] <popey> Good morning JamesTait
[10:04] <JamesTait> It is!
[10:15] <t1mp> JamesTait: pfew. You almost scared me there, but I see you left out the "National" part of the special day. It is only valid in USA ;)
[10:16] <JamesTait> t1mp, feel free to play along anyway, just for fun. ;)
[10:16] <t1mp> :)
[10:16]  * JamesTait alerts the fire service.
[10:17] <aquarius> Do I *have* to have a MainView? Think of, for example, a full-screen game, where I don't want the header. What happens if I don't have a MainView? Does a bunch of stuff not work, then? Or is the best thing to do to have a MainView and somehow not include the header?
[10:17] <t1mp> aquarius: if you set the title of your active page to "" the header will be hidden
[10:18] <aquarius> t1mp, aha. So I should still have a mainview and just hide the header
[10:18] <aquarius> I suspected that might be the case
[10:18] <aquarius> might be worth poking the documentation for that case
[10:18] <aquarius> or maybe even adding a makeMyThingFullscreen bool property to mainview, which will help people realise how to do it?
[10:19] <t1mp> aquarius: wait a second, maybe I am lying :( I don't see in the code now that it'll hide when title is ""
[10:20] <aquarius> t1mp, it works, though
[10:20] <aquarius> so I think we're good :)
[10:20] <t1mp> ok, great
[10:20] <aquarius> except that this is wholly undocumented, as noted ;)
[10:21] <t1mp> aquarius: can you report a bug for that lack of documentation?
[10:25] <aquarius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1248898 filed
[10:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1248898 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "No documentation for how to hide MainView's header" [Undecided,New]
[10:26] <t1mp> aquarius: thanksk.
[14:00] <t1mp> oSoMoN: I replied on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ap-toolbar-open/+merge/194122
[14:01] <oSoMoN> t1mp, replied there
[14:03] <t1mp> oSoMoN: yes, the toolbar always closes after 5s of inactivity
[14:03] <t1mp> oSoMoN: or when the user interacts with the app
[14:03] <t1mp> oSoMoN: and there is a request to hide it also when the user interacts with the app header
[14:04] <t1mp> oSoMoN: I think in most cases my solution is fine because toolbars only have buttons usually
[14:04] <t1mp> oSoMoN: but I realize that the webbrowser (and perhaps other apps) are special cases
[14:04] <daker> tmoenicke: ping
[14:06] <t1mp> oSoMoN: hmm.. maybe somehow the timer should stop when the user touches anywhere on the toolbar and restart when releasing
[14:06] <t1mp> oSoMoN: would that help? I guess for interacting with the address bar that would avoid hiding while doing stuff there
[14:06] <t1mp> oSoMoN: so then it is not strictly a test issue, but some toolbar behavior I need to fix
[14:10] <t1mp> oSoMoN: ok I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ap-toolbar-open/+merge/194122
[14:10] <t1mp> oSoMoN: did you run into the issue on the browser that the toolbar can close while entering a url?
[14:10] <oSoMoN> t1mp, no, I’m not having issues with the browser, as I’m not using the default toolbar, I’m using a custom one
[14:12] <oSoMoN> t1mp, so in fact the only reliable solution for tests is to first ensure the toolbar is hidden by interacting with the app’s contents, then reveal it and then interact with it
[14:12] <oSoMoN> t1mp, otherwise we’ll always run into race conditions where the toolbar hides while moving the cursor to interact with it
[14:15] <t1mp> oSoMoN: well click_button() now checks that the toolbar wasn't closed (or closing) already and opens it again if needed
[14:16] <oSoMoN> t1mp, yeah, in that case I guess that’s an acceptable solution
[14:18] <t1mp> oSoMoN: ok, I'll go with that then. And I will report a bug for pausing of the timer for interaction with other components (textfield / slider) in the toolbar
[14:19] <t1mp> oSoMoN: but I don't think any apps do that (yet) so it is not urgent
[14:19] <oSoMoN> t1mp, yeah, probably not high priority
[14:20] <oSoMoN> t1mp, it might make sense to update the emulators’ documentation (if there is any) to explain the default behaviour of the toolbar, and that click_button() will ensure it’s shown before actually clicking
[14:22] <t1mp> oSoMoN: sure, I will add that.
[14:22] <t1mp> thanks
[14:24] <blaroche> bzoltan: ping
[15:32] <oSoMoN> dpm, hey, is there a design meeting for calendar-app today?
[15:32] <dpm> oSoMoN, not that I know of, I shall cancel it for this week. At UDS we'll be discussing the roadmap and how we resume the meetings for next cycle
[15:33] <dpm> popey, makes sense? ^
[15:33] <oSoMoN> dpm, makes sense to me, thanks for confirming
[15:33] <dpm> k
[15:33] <popey> No, we cancelled all the hangouts.
[15:54] <aquarius> dpm, do you think it's worth having a uds session about fat packages? I mean, I think bzoltan1 and team know about the need for it, and for the app runner to handle them?
[15:56] <dpm> aquarius, I think it might be, but I'd also check with cjwatson first, as he's got the best overview on the click packages roadmap
[15:59] <aquarius> dpm, as I understand it, click itself is now quite capable of creating fat packages, but the app runner doesn't know how to run them properly because that bit hasn't been decided :)
[15:59] <dpm> aha
[15:59] <dpm> aquarius, when you say app runner, you mean upstart?
[15:59] <dpm> or qmlscene?
[16:00] <aquarius> dpm, upstart
[16:01] <aquarius> dpm, something needs to do the moral equivalent of "QML2_IMPORT_PATHS=/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.mypackage/current/lib/qml/arm qmlscene /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.mypackage/current/MyApp.qml"
[16:01] <aquarius> and the same for ld_library_path for C libs
[16:01] <aquarius> and possibly $PATH for binaries
[16:02] <aquarius> that's upstart: it happens before you start qmlscene. The thing which runs packages needs to recognise that that package *is* a fat package which contains arch-specific stuff, and then make sure that the arch-specific stuff which is appropriate for the arch we are on is the stuff that gets loaded :)
[16:02] <aquarius> presumably we need some way of declaring that the Exec= line actually points to an arch-specific binary, too
[16:03] <aquarius> unless that's just handled by the path stuff as well
[16:05] <dpm> yeah, but I guess that last bit would be if the binaries actually need to be executed to start the app (e.g. a pure C++ app). So far we've just been loading QML frontends that consume binary components
[16:07] <dpm> I've pinged tedg, he might be able to help better than I can in this area
[16:07] <tedg> Howdy
[16:07] <dpm> ah, speaking of the devil...
[16:07] <dpm> hi tedg :)
[16:08] <tedg> So I'm a bit confused.  Are we installing all the binaries on disk?
[16:08] <dpm> tedg, we were wondering if you could shed some light on this discussion: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6377041/
[16:09] <tedg> I figured we'd just delete the unused ones.
[16:09] <dpm> I'm not familiar with how the actual fat packages will deal with the binaries
[16:09] <dpm> aquarius?
[16:10] <tedg> This probably isn't a good channel... cjwatson isn't here either :-)
[16:10] <aquarius> I don't know how any of this is supposed to work
[16:11] <dpm> In that case, I think we might just want to jump into #ubuntu-devel and ask cjwatson
[16:11] <aquarius> happy to
[16:12] <aquarius> I'm not sure cjwatson is driving it though
[16:12] <aquarius> he's doing "make click be able to create these packages", whcih I believe it already does
[16:12] <aquarius> making the app runner care about them -- he said he'd spoken to the sdk team, i think
[19:06] <balloons> nik90, I see your trying to land your swip branch now
[19:06] <balloons> let me know if you need anything
[19:21] <tmoenicke> daker: pong
[19:21] <nik90> balloons: hi
[19:22] <nik90> balloons: I looked at the test failures and figured it could do a fix or two. I fixed everything on my end now. Just waiting for the swipe delete emulator fix from elopio.
[19:22] <nik90> balloons: I have also created another branch where I added 3 more autopilot tests
[19:22] <balloons> oO :-)
[19:23]  * nik90 knew balloons would be glad :P
[19:23] <tmoenicke> daker: just seeing your comment on the language MR, thank you
[20:31] <daker> tmoenicke: yw :)
[20:32] <daker> tmoenicke: i hope that the long list will not create UI issues :)
[20:32] <tmoenicke> daker: not sure
[20:32] <tmoenicke> daker: could it be shorter somehow?
[20:34] <daker> tmoenicke: no, all those countries have arabic as their official language
[20:34] <tmoenicke> daker: ok
[20:34] <daker> tmoenicke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_world
[22:04] <mhall119> Looky there, HTML5 UI API docs are now available! http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/html5/sdk-1.0/UbuntuUI/


 Maybe do an offlineimap -f Inbox && offlineimap
[20:39] <greg-g> https://github.com/nicolas33/offlineimap/blob/master/docs/MANUAL.rst#readme
[20:40] <greg-g> it'll be a tad redundant, but, whatevs
[20:40] <jcastro> yep
[20:40] <jcastro> that did it
[20:40] <jcastro> thanks!
[20:41] <greg-g> rock
[20:41] <greg-g> you're very welcome
[20:49] <rick_h_34> jcastro yea, use offlineimap
[20:49] <jcastro> I figured it out
[20:49] <jcastro> greg0r helped me
[20:50] <rick_h_34> ah, cool then
[20:55] <rick_h__> ah, notmuch, yea that's pretty cool/useful
[20:56] <rick_h__> uses xapian in the back
[20:56] <rick_h__> I don't use it much, but when I do it's awesome
[20:56] <jcastro> I binded it to f8
[20:56] <jcastro> so it's basically like a google search
[20:56] <jcastro> I needed that pretty hardcore
[20:57] <rick_h__> yea, I use both F8 and F9
[20:57] <rick_h__> to do the 'build current thread' thing
[20:57] <rick_h__> I use that omre actually, get an email in inbox that i've put all the rest of the messages in some job folder
[20:57] <rick_h__> and just F9 the whole thread together
[21:10]  * greg-g loves it
[21:46] <jcastro> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=65649&tstart=0
[21:46] <jcastro> man
[21:46] <jcastro> "awesome"
[21:47] <binbrain> that's gotta be fake
[21:51] <binbrain> no way a medical monitoring device gets FDA approval without that blatant potential risk
[22:01] <jcastro> I think it's so awesome
[22:01] <jcastro> binbrain: I am going to beedubs tonight
[22:02] <jcastro> binbrain: we're hanging out with meredith I guess
[22:02] <binbrain> wish I was there
[22:03] <binbrain> at least I get my wife back tomorrow
[22:17] <snap-l> That's idiotic (AWS)


[07:17] <alourie|work> good morning
[07:28] <ara> good morning all!
[10:05] <alourie> hello
[10:05] <alourie> I have a question
[10:05] <alourie> during the test of Maverick server i386, I do the encrypted LVM test
[10:11] <alourie> when it comes to the password step (after install complete), then after each pressed key the request line repeats itself
[10:11] <alourie> god, I explain this badly
[10:13] <ara> alourie, are you using KVM?
[10:14] <alourie> ara: no, VMWare ESXi hypervisor
[10:14] <alourie> it's like vmware generic
[10:14] <alourie> or rather, vmware server
[10:15] <ara> alourie, please, file a bug against plymouth, then we will try to reproduce in KVM or bare metal
[10:15] <alourie> ara: ok. I can provide a couple of screenshots to explain myself better...
[10:16] <ara> alourie, that would be great, thanks
[10:17] <alourie> hold on a sec
[10:18] <alourie> ara: take a look here: http://img15.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=unencr2.png
[10:19] <alourie> it explains what I see in first key pressed, and a second key pressed
[10:19] <ara> alourie, what's wrong with it?
[10:20] <ara> first key pressed: 1 *
[10:20] <ara> second: 2 *
[10:20] <alourie> yes, and the line above, the one that begins with "Unlocking"....
[10:20] <alourie> just added itself once again
[10:20] <alourie> now, my password includes 23 characters
[10:21] <alourie> so I will see the line added after each character pressed, that means 23 redundant lines on the screen
[10:22] <ara> ah, ok, now I understand
[10:22] <ara> I didn't understand it before
[10:22] <alourie> btw, this will be also true if I press "backspace", so my screen will be filled with this
[10:22] <ara> let me check which package you should file against
[10:22] <alourie> ara: yea, I found it hard to expain
[10:22] <alourie> *explain
[10:30] <ara> alourie, I can't find the package right now. File against "Ubuntu" and put it in the iso tracker (although mark the test as Passed, as it is a minor error)
[10:30] <ara> we will assign the right package later on
[10:30] <alourie> ara: ok
[10:32] <alourie> well
[10:33] <alourie> ara: see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/566818 :-)
[10:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 566818 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 45)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:33] <ara> alourie, it is not the same one
[10:33] <ara> alourie, server does not use plymouth
[10:33] <alourie> hm
[10:34] <ara> yes, it is the same, sorry
[10:34] <alourie> ara: well, the description is exactly the same. Maybe it is assigned to the wrong package :-)
[10:34] <ara> alourie, yes, it shouldn't be plymouth, I think, but it is indeed the same bug
[10:34] <ara> alourie, nice catch!
[10:34] <alourie> ara: google search still beats them all
[10:35] <alourie> so I just report the test as passed? Or attach the bug ID anyway?
[10:35] <ara> alourie, "passed" but adding the bug ID as well
[10:39] <alourie> ok
[10:40] <alourie> ara: if I have notes for the QA Tracker itself, who should I talk to?
[10:40] <ara> alourie, me, i.e. ;-)
[10:41] <alourie> ara: ok :-), but they are small and cosmetic. Does they still count?
[10:41] <ara> alourie, yes, they do
[10:41] <ara> alourie, bugs might be already filed at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/
[10:47] <alourie> ok
[10:47] <alourie> sec
[10:58] <alourie> ara: when updating a case results after setting it to "Started", the button text says "Edit result". I think that "Update Result" would be much better
[10:58] <ara> alourie, nice, an easy one :)
[10:59] <alourie> ara: ok, then here's another one:
[10:59] <alourie> A test description says "Set hostname: default - ubuntu"
[10:59] <alourie> which is not clear, set the hostname to "default-ubuntu" or to default value "ubuntu"
[11:00] <alourie> there are multuple tests like that...
[11:01] <ara> alourie, that's something that you can fix
[11:01] <ara> the testcases are under testcases.qa.ubuntu.com which is an editable wiki
[11:01] <alourie> cool
[11:02] <alourie> amazing
[11:06] <pitti> hello all
[11:06] <pitti> just a quick summary of what happens with alpha-1 right now
[11:06] <pitti> all alternate  (including server and EC2) should be working, and are up for testing on the tracker
[11:07] <pitti> ubuntu-desktop should work as well, and up for testing in the tracker
[11:07] <pitti> I'm currently building ubuntu-netbook, kubuntu, kubuntu-netbook, and xubuntu desktop images (they were delayed due to a couple of bugs and problems)
[11:08] <alourie> ara: great, so I will handle test descriptions when I stumble on ambiguities
[11:23] <pitti> ubuntu-netbook ready for testing and added to tracker
[11:24] <ara> pitti, thanks :)
[11:39] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20100602/ ready for testing, added to tracker
[11:59] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100602/ for your testing pleasure
[12:06] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20100602.3/ ready for testing
[13:47] <alourie> ara: If I know how to fix that button name, can I patch it somehow?
[13:48] <ara> alourie, sure, create a bug against the project ubuntu-qa-website, then branch the code, and propose a merge with your changes
[13:48] <alourie> ara: ok. Is there any way I can test it?
[13:49] <alourie> I mean I want to be sure I'm fixing the right thing :-)
[13:50] <ara> alourie, I need to step out now for lunch, send me an email to ara AT ubuntu DOT com, and I will explain to you
[13:50]  * ara -> lunch
[13:50] <alourie> ara: great, thanks
[14:05] <moustafa> cr3, fader, marjo, everyone I may have missed: Bonjour
[14:05] <fader_> moustafa: Hey dude!
[14:06] <marjo> moustafa: hi!
[14:08] <moustafa> Hello!  How are things in the Orange and Aubergine world?
[15:57] <ara> charlie-tca, are you around?
[16:22] <bladernr_> hey... anyone seen pkgsel fail during d-i install?
[16:24] <bladernr_> it appears in Studio and seems to be one of the 4 package choices that causes the failure (I started by selecting all 4)
[16:39] <charlie-tca> ara: yes, I am here now
[16:40] <ara> charlie-tca, hey, don't worry, I was wondering about the systray bug, but I have seen that you already filed in
[16:41] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:42] <ara> ta
[16:43] <charlie-tca> thank you for checking
[17:11] <alourie> ara: got your email, thanks. I will take a look into it
[17:57] <sbeattie> QA Meeting reminder: 5 min in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:00] <alourie> ara: got your email, thanks. I will take a look into it
[18:01] <ara> alourie, np
[18:01] <ara> alourie, we are having the QA meeting now at #ubuntu-meeting, if you want to join
[18:02] <alourie> ara: yea, just did
[18:02] <alourie> thansk
[18:22] <charlie-tca> ara: got a workaround on that systray bug after the installation is done and system rebooted.
[18:23] <ara> charlie-tca, nice, you may want to talk pitti to release note the work around (and the bug)
[18:23] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:30] <ara> charlie-tca, if he's not around, send him an email, he's working very early European hours this week
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Anybody testing the Xubuntu images, please take a look at bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/586012
[18:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 586012 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Maverick] XFCE system tray became unusable after upgrade to libgtk2.0-0 2.21.0-1ubuntu2 (affects: 7) (dups: 3) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Try the workaround to make the desktop settle down, please.
[20:51] <davmor2> hello cr3 fader_ how did alpha 1 testing go?
[20:54] <fader_> davmor2: alpha what now?
[20:54] <fader_> ;)
[20:55] <davmor2> The thing you just tested dude


[11:38] <fallenour> o/
[12:14] <fallenour> bdx: you on?
[12:41] <rick_h> Early fallenour
[12:58] <fallenour>  rick_h Im on the HUNT! Im soooo close o.o I CAN TASTE IT!
[12:59] <fallenour> rick_h: do I need to setup a relationship between openstack horizon and haproxy in order for it to process proxy requests properly? Im assuming yes, and my brain says I should, but my energy drink hasnt kicked in yet. Im assuming its juju add relationship haproxy:? openstack-dashboard ??
[13:24] <thumper> magicaltrout: which room are you in?
[13:30] <rick_h> fallenour: yes, you need a relation so horizon can tell haproxy about its details, port, ip, etc.
[13:46] <magicaltrout> thumper: none at the moment, i've taken refuge in my room to get some stuff done before my bosses kick off, i'll be kicking around a bit later
[13:46] <thumper> magicaltrout: ok, would be good to meet in person
[13:48] <magicaltrout> sure thing come and grab me at some point i'm just rotating around various groups to catch up with folks and discuss use cases etc, happy to chat whenever same for you icey just accost me when you see me ;)
[13:58] <thumper> magicaltrout: let me know when you decide to emerge from your room for social interaction :)
[15:10] <admcleod> having trouble bootstrapping 2.2.4 / s390x, says "cannot package bootstrap agent binary" - does some build somewhere need to be kicked?
[15:48] <stormmore> o/ juju world
[16:05] <dannf> is there a way to include an image in the README.md such that it'll be rendered on jujucharms.com?
[16:06] <kwmonroe> dannf: ~tengu-team makes some of the nicest readmes i've seen:  https://jujucharms.com/eclipse-che/.  they do it like this:  https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/eclipse-che/archive/README.md
[16:08] <dannf> kwmonroe: ah, ok - maybe the problem is that i was trying to use relative syntax, not a fully-qualified URL
[16:09] <dannf> e.g. ![alt text][images/diagram.png "Diagram"]
[16:09] <dannf> kwmonroe: there doesn't happen to be a way to preview jujucharms.com rendering w/o publishing, is there?
[16:10] <kwmonroe> yeah dannf, if you have an image baked into the charm source, maybe you can use https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/<charm>/archive/images/diagram.png as the url
[16:10] <kwmonroe> dannf: i have yet to find a way to pre-render without pushing to the store
[16:10] <kwmonroe> i mean, you can get close with any markdown renderer, but the full md syntax isn't supported on the store.  that's why i have triple digit revision counts on most of my charms ;)
[16:11] <dannf> kwmonroe: :)
[16:20] <rick_h> dannf: right, we just render the markdown and the relative urls don't work since the urls aren't right
[16:20] <rick_h> dannf: as kwmonroe mentions you could link to the api of the image if it's in the charm or any other image link that you've got up somewhere.
[16:22] <dannf> rick_h: *nod* - yeah - makes sense. relative links work in github, so i tried that before asking - but yeah, an api url will work for me. does the api url have to be versioned, or can i point to the "latest stable"?
[16:22] <dannf> or latest version, or whatever
[16:22] <rick_h> dannf: yes, if you leave off the version it'll auto grab the latest stable
[16:22] <dannf> great
[16:23] <rick_h> dannf: just be aware that it can be confusing then if someone loads an earlier version/unstable channel and such
[16:23] <rick_h> dannf: since everyone will get the latest image regardless
[16:24] <dannf> rick_h: yeah, understood
[17:02] <fallenour> rick_h: catbus having issues executing commands on my juju controller all of a sudden, and it wont take my juju grant <username> superuser --model <model> command
[17:02] <fallenour> any ideas?
[17:03] <rick_h> fallenour: use --debug with the command. Have to flesh out "having issues" a bit more
[17:03] <rick_h> fallenour: can you connect to it (network connectivity issues?) or is it experiencing load? or is the juju controller not responding because jujud is not running for some reason?
[17:10] <fallenour> rick_h: figured it out. I had read and write, but not admin. Im guessing I fat fingered while adding other users lol, my bad man.
[17:10] <rick_h> fallenour: gotcha good stuff
[17:16] <nevermind> Anyone know of a good comparison doc between juju and terraform?
[17:20] <marcoceppi> ejat: o/
[17:20] <ejat> okie
[17:20] <ejat> sorry
[17:20] <ejat> im trying to add canonical k8s to rancher20
[17:20] <marcoceppi> nevermind: not a doc, but the general principles are dynamic infrastructure vs static
[17:20] <ejat> Unable to connect to the server: x509: certificate signed by unknown authority
[17:20] <marcoceppi> ejat: where are you getting that message?
[17:21] <ejat> fenris@X240:~⟫ kubectl apply -f https://<IP_ADDRESS>/v3/scripts/2A35D059FB34679120D5:1483142400000:CS7QDnEJ07bztggKHaToPtHmA.yaml
[17:21] <ejat> Unable to connect to the server: x509: certificate signed by unknown authority
[17:21] <marcoceppi> can you run kubectl with the --debug flag? does `kubectl cluster-info` work?
[17:22] <fallenour> rick_h: hey whats the command to deploy an empty container to a specific machine? Ive already tried juju deploy lxd --to 10/lxd/<new container number> did i do that right?
[17:22] <ejat> cluster-info work
[17:22] <marcoceppi> ejat: https://<IP_ADDRESS>/v3/scripts/2A35D059FB34679120D5:1483142400000:CS7QDnEJ07bztggKHaToPtHmA.yaml that URL gives me a bad cert authority
[17:22] <rick_h> fallenour: use add-machine
[17:22] <marcoceppi> is that a URL from your cluster?
[17:22] <fallenour> rick_h: use add machine to add another container to an already existing machine?
[17:23] <rick_h> fallenour: right, you're just wanting an empty "machine" without deploying any charm/bundle to it right?
[17:23]  * rick_h dbl checks he's following
[17:23] <fallenour> rick_h: yea
[17:23] <ejat> marcoceppi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25621815/
[17:23] <marcoceppi> it is from your cluster, okay
[17:24] <fallenour> rick_h: am I crazy? isnt it juju add-machine --to 10/lxd/6
[17:24] <fallenour> am I doing tha tright?
[17:25] <fallenour> rick_h: ooh wait, no im wanting to add an additional empty lxd container
[17:25] <fallenour> rick_h: I misinterpreted that
[17:25] <marcoceppi> ejat: I'm not sure why, but it's using a self signed certificate for that URL. If you open it in your browser you get the cert warning - then it prompts you for a username and password
[17:25] <ejat> yeap
[17:26] <marcoceppi> ejat: are you able to log in?
[17:26] <ejat> yes
[17:27] <marcoceppi> ejat: can you just copy the YAML and save it to a local fine then kubectl apply -f <file> ?
[17:28] <marcoceppi> ejat: also, if you link me the instructions for rancher20 I'd like to give it a try myself
[17:28] <ejat> http://picpaste.com/Rancher20-3-zAo5Jo3a.png
[17:28] <rick_h> fallenour: right, so you want an empty lxd container and you add that with juju add-machine with a placement directive
[17:28] <ejat> marcoceppi: http://rancher.com/rancher2-0/
[17:28] <rick_h> fallenour: so like juju add-machine --to lxd:3
[17:29] <rick_h> fallenour: check out the --help on add-machine for more details
[17:29] <marcoceppi> ejat: thanks, we're doing a webinar with them soon so if there are problems we'll make sure to get them smoothed out
[17:29] <ejat> thanks .. is it the webinar public?
[17:30] <marcoceppi> ejat: yup!
[17:30] <marcoceppi> I'll ping you a link when more information is published
[17:31] <ejat> is it on the next meetup ?
[17:31] <ejat> Attend our monthly online meetup on Thursday October 5 (1 PM US Eastern Time) when we'll demo the cool new features in Rancher 2.0.
[17:31] <ejat> hopefully ill be in front of the screen while u ping me
[17:32] <marcoceppi> ejat: it's not, it'll be a littler after that
[17:50] <ejat> okie .. thanks marcoceppi
[17:51] <ejat> at least i already passed some point for you to check with rancher team
[17:51] <ejat> :)
[17:56] <ejat> thanks again
[18:01] <dannf> kwmonroe, rick_h : nice - got it working :) https://jujucharms.com/u/dannf/scalebot-jenkins/1
[18:01] <rick_h> dannf: woot woot
[18:02] <rick_h> dannf: got a 404, not yet grant to everyone?
[18:02] <dannf> rick_h: oh right, fixed
[18:11] <dannf> rick_h: oops - granted to "all" instead of "everyone" - which didn't return an error, but was obviously wrong. really fixed now
[18:11] <rick_h> dannf: yea, all might be a valid sso username who knows :)
[18:12] <rick_h> dannf: ooh, look at the shiny picture :)


[06:15] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:15] <ricotz> hello everyone
[06:47] <RikMills> morning :)
[06:48] <RikMills> ricotz: how long is the mozilla beta ppa going to carry on doing builds for jammy?
[06:48] <RikMills> I see it being mentioned on social media as a way around the snap
[06:49] <RikMills> same for the esr PPA
[06:50] <RikMills> e.g. https://balintreczey.hu/blog/firefox-on-ubuntu-22-04-from-deb-not-from-snap/
[06:53] <ricotz> RikMills, I would say longer than the builds for xenial ;)
[06:54] <jpnurmi> good morning
[06:55] <RikMills> ricotz: lol, right. just was concerned people were being recommended something that would soon go away, that is all
[06:56] <RikMills> personally I use the the mozilla developer upstream tar build, and have done so for many years
[06:57] <ricotz> RikMills, yeah, I got want you meant ;)
[06:58] <ricotz> RikMills, I see, not very useful on a multi-user system though
[07:01] <RikMills> no, but I couldn't care less ;)
[07:04] <RikMills> on the machines I have it, anyway
[07:07] <didrocks> good morning
[07:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:16] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:48] <Nafallo> morning
[07:50] <jibel> Good morning all
[07:55] <didrocks> hey Nafallo, jibel
[08:04] <schopin> ricotz: sadly I'm still tracking down a regression for cargo
[08:15] <ricotz> schopin, hi, I see, for some testing rustc builds would be sufficient
[08:17] <schopin> ricotz: OK, I'll create a PPA for it shortly. It'll only be for Jammy at first though
[08:18] <ricotz> schopin, thanks, the source package will include llvm for easier backports?
[08:20] <schopin> Not the Jammy one, but yeah I'll include LLVM for older releases.
[08:20] <ricotz> schopin, isn't is better to use a common tarball?
[08:20] <ricotz> schopin, did you try to build rustc 1.59 with 1.57? which would safe a quite some time?
[08:21] <schopin> rustc in Jammy is in main, and the LLVM situation was a prominent feature of the MIR discussion.
[08:22] <ricotz> ok, also thinking 5+ years in the future here
[08:23] <ricotz> thanks for your work!
[08:56] <KGB-2> aisleriot Iain Lane 306574 * commented merge request !1 * https://deb.li/NKhg
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[12:01] <jbicha> good morning
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[13:01] <KGB-2> tali upstream/latest 281c1f9 Jordi Mas help/ca/ca.po * Update Catalan translation * https://deb.li/3QIvl
[13:01] <KGB-2> tali upstream/latest e5c60d9 Charles Monzat help/fr/fr.po * Update French translation * https://deb.li/1DRx
[13:01] <KGB-2> tali upstream/latest 5c05e7f Mart Raudsepp NEWS data/org.gnome.Tali.appdata.xml.in meson.build * 40.7 release * https://deb.li/3VvnE
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[15:01] <seb128> jbicha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/1967843 has details about the cheese issue with a reference to the change that created the problem
[16:54] <schopin> ricotz: https://launchpad.net/~schopin/+archive/ubuntu/rustc-1.59
[18:14] <ricotz> schopin, thanks, I guess it is not suppose be empty?
[18:15] <schopin> ... No it's not?
[18:16] <ricotz> it is ...
[18:16] <schopin> Crap.
[18:16] <schopin> ... Uploaded to the wrong PPA, and got bounced because disk space :'(
[18:17] <ricotz> schopin, still jammy only?
[18:18] <schopin> yup, impish and lower should be coming up tomorrow.
[18:19] <ricotz> thank you
[18:25] <ricotz> schopin, still empty
[18:29] <schopin> ricotz: finally fixed.
[18:32] <ricotz> schopin, alright, fingers crossed


[01:22]  * mcphail just has to buy a Mycroft to get it to recite PE lyrics in popey's voice
[08:29] <popey> mcphail: :)
[12:19] <popey> JMulholland: in https://design.canonical.com/2016/06/the-app-design-clinics-are-back/ can you double check the time... we're in BST not GMT right now. So do you mean UTC? (i.e. is it at 17:00 UK time?)
[12:19] <JMulholland> popey: 4.00PM UK time/ GMT as that’s when Dan Wood is available :-)
[12:20] <popey> nope
[12:20] <popey> we are in BST
[12:20] <popey> not GMT
[12:20] <JMulholland> righto
[12:20] <popey> so if it's 4:00 PM UK time then it's 15:00 UTC
[12:20] <JMulholland> well spotted
[12:20] <JMulholland> thanks popey
[12:21] <popey> heh, we get this a lot
[12:21] <popey> timezones are hard, lets go shopping!
[12:22] <JMulholland> xD
[12:22] <JMulholland> Corrected, thanks again popey.
[12:23] <JMulholland> At least anyone who saw that will come along an hour early, rather than when it’s all over ;-)
[12:23] <seb128> popey, you got that wrong; or did you point you a mistake?
[12:24] <seb128> oh, ignore me
[12:24]  * seb128 can't read
[12:27]  * ogra_ hands seb128 glasses
[12:27] <seb128> thanks!
[12:27] <ogra_> :)
[12:50] <popey>  /ignore seb128
[15:27] <om26er> bzoltan, Hi!
[15:27] <om26er> bzoltan, re: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/06/14/calling-testers-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-post/ is that supposed to work on yakkety ?
[17:57] <bzoltan> om26er:  it will work tomorow
[17:57] <om26er> bzoltan, eagerly waiting
[18:16] <bzoltan> om26er: we need a single package there :)
[19:11] <zzarr> hello!
[19:11] <zzarr> I get an error message '.../workspace/Ubuntu-SDK/uSync/uSync/Main.qml:2 module "Ubuntu.Components" is not installed'
[19:12] <bzoltan> zzarr:  where do you get it? What project, what package, what versions and how?
[19:12] <zzarr> besides that I get an error telling me that the device is out of space, but nether / or /home is out of space
[19:13] <zzarr> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and started the Ubuntu SDK and created a new project
[19:15] <zzarr> it's for the desktop kit...
[19:15] <zzarr> strange
[19:16] <JanC> "out of space" might also mean "out of inodes"
[19:18] <zzarr> JanC yes, but that means I have how many files on a ext4 filesystem?
[19:20] <zzarr> JanC there's 21.9 million inodes free
[19:21] <JanC> that should be plenty  :)
[19:21] <zzarr> yepp
[19:21] <zzarr> I can deploy to my phone
[19:25] <zzarr> where do I find documentation for ubuntu components?
[19:56] <bzoltan> om26er:  what about now?
[19:57] <bzoltan> zzarr: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/current/
[19:58] <bzoltan> zzarr:  The plain Desktop Kit is most probably useless. It is using your system libraries and you might miss loads of packages.
[19:59] <bzoltan> zzarr: you either use the Ubuntu Desktop kit provided by the ubuntu-sdk-dev or you go fro the LXD SDK https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/06/14/calling-testers-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-post/
[20:04] <bzoltan> zzarr:  and please read this post - https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/03/18/everything-you-always-wanted-know-about-kits-were-afraid-ask/ It is very important.
[21:18] <om26er> bzoltan, is that ready ? let me try
[22:56] <om26er> bzoltan, says "the container backend returned an unknown error status. This is a bug and should never happen, please contact developers."
[22:56] <om26er> the message in itself is a little funny though


[09:06] <zequence> sakrecoer_: OvenWerks: (and anyone else who will be working on our package sources): I will be renaming some bzr branches to use the standard naming scheme used for Ubuntu code
[09:07] <zequence> Development branches will all be called "trunk" from now on
[09:07] <zequence> the shorthand (i.e. lp:ubuntustudio-default-settings) will still be the same on all packages
[09:28] <sakrecoer_> ok :)
[09:30] <zequence> sakrecoer_: If you already have a branch locally, uploading to the renamed branch will probably not work using ":parent".
[09:30] <zequence> pushing, I mean
[09:30] <zequence> not uploading :)
[09:32] <zequence> sakrecoer_: btw, if you ever want to fool around with launchpad, just to see how it works, use this https://staging.launchpad.net/
[10:02] <zequence> sakrecoer_: OvenWerks: I updated the part in the wiki dealing with maintaining our packages. Redid the part about the source, to make it more to the point. So far, nothing about making actual changes to the source, and uploading it, but that will come later: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance
[10:21] <zequence> sakrecoer_: I put an awful amount of time doing these at one point, but I would do it in a different way today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[10:23] <zequence> So, feel free to simplify it, if you want. With such a small team, people tend to know what the other one is doing, without having to document it
[10:25] <zequence> Also, the blueprints page doesn't abslutely need to include the actual blueprints. I did that more to get an overview in text in a way you can't get from the launchpad interface https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Blueprints
[15:04] <zequence> Think I'm going to take an easy route as far as development for this cycle goes. Want to a few improvements to -controls, such as a diagnostic tool, and some notification functions to let the user know when something is not right.
[15:05] <zequence> And, when anyone wants to do anything jack based on a Ubuntu flavor, or derivative, they should be told to install -controls
[15:06] <zequence> If they have problems, the diagnostic tool can create a report which they can show others so that it will be easier to identify the problem
[15:06] <zequence> Also, we should at least make videos on basic jack usage
[15:06] <zequence> So, that is what I will commit to this cycle. I'll do some work on -controls before FF, and then do a couple of videos before the release
[15:08] <zequence> No desktop agnostic stuff, no changes to the installer at all. I don't just don't have the time, sorry to say.
[15:09] <knome> zequence, if you are planning to be involved at all with the website refresher, see backlog on this channel :)
[15:10] <zequence> knome: Ok, thanks.
[15:12] <zequence> knome: Great news about the theme. Yeah, I need to see it first, but I for one wouldn't require anything fancy. We do have some people who can do graphics, so in that way we could see about modding it ourselves
[15:12] <knome> please don't mod the main theme - do it under a child theme :)
[15:12] <knome> i can even help with that
[15:12] <zequence> Yes, of course.
[15:12] <knome> and if the things you need are sensible, i'm happy to merge them to the main theme too
[15:13] <zequence> Ok, thanks. We should start by installing it somewhere, and start testing it.
[15:13] <zequence> sakrecoer_: ^
[15:13] <knome> yeah, that would be a good idea, and helpful for me too
[15:14] <zequence> I have a staging site for the old theme already, so I will set that up
[15:14] <knome> great!
[15:15] <zequence> flocculant: Set already accepted that I think. He's a core member now with immense powers.
[15:15] <flocculant> yep - all sorted now
[15:15] <zequence> Oh, I did the mistake of scrolling, and forgot I had scolled
[15:15] <knome> ahah :)
[15:16] <zequence> So, your comment was at the bottom :D
[15:16] <zequence> scrolled*
[15:16] <flocculant> ha ha
[15:20] <sakrecoer_> zequence: knome: thanks guys! let me know where i can sneakpeak :p
[15:20] <sakrecoer_> my power alone are useless, the real power is the teamwork!
[15:21] <sakrecoer_> read you later guys! happy friday!
[15:21] <zequence> sakrecoer_: If I haven't done it by tomorrow, you may remind me. I'll set up a staging site at my webbhotell, and can give anyone ftp access so they can do stuff if they want
[15:21] <sakrecoer_> awsome!
[15:21] <knome> the latter is true, but the former isn't; single persons can achieve things too (and even more so kickstart good thing)
[15:21] <sakrecoer_> i'll check in to morrow no doubt!
[15:22] <sakrecoer_> knome: :) true, but in this case, since i'm a complete launchpad noob, those powers alone are.. well not so handy :D
[15:22] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, hey
[15:22] <sakrecoer_> cfhowlett: hi!
[15:23] <sakrecoer_> i'm on the run, email? :)
[15:23] <sakrecoer_> or just shoot and i read it later :)
[15:23] <sakrecoer_> bye y'all!
[15:23] <zequence> sakrecoer_: I'll put the cops on the wrong trail for ya. Have fun!
[18:36] <flocculant> sakrecoer_ zequence - seems Ross is all sorted now \o/ left the release team
[20:23] <zequence> flocculant: Alright. Thanks :)
[20:23] <flocculant> welcome - glad you've finally got there \o/
[20:24] <flocculant> I'll not wander off - so if anyone needs anything I'm happy to help
[20:25] <zequence> OvenWerks: You ever notice ardour using a bit more RAM than it aught to?
[20:28] <cub> About the web, wordpress theme, I like the simplicity. Child theme and colours should be easy to work with. As long as there is a design decided in colours, look n feel, so to speak.
[20:29] <cub> Zak emailed the other day, but unsure if and how much he will be able to produce before the 16.04 release
[20:32] <cub> I don't have a test site set up yet, but it seems you are already on it
[21:28] <OvenWerks> zequence: it depends on what you are displaying I think (plugins are another different thing drumgizmo or linuxsampler are huge) Let me try a fresh session
[21:31] <OvenWerks> fresh session with two audio tracks. Gnome system monitor says 148Mbytes
[21:32] <OvenWerks> xfce-taskmanager says 287.
[21:33] <OvenWerks> zequence: ardour version 4.6.161.
[21:36] <OvenWerks> Ardour 4.6.0 with same session - session manager 85Mbyte, Task manager 200Mbyte.
[21:37] <OvenWerks> of note 4.6.0 is the release (optimized version) while 4.6.161 is the debug version.
[21:39] <OvenWerks> zequence: mixbus3 (release) is 90.6/205Mbytes
[21:40] <OvenWerks> zequence: my firefox (three pages of tabs) is sitting aroudn 360-400Mbytes for comparison
[21:44] <OvenWerks> zequence: wow, ardour 3.5.403 uses 323/440 Mbytes for the same session (our package for 14.04). But one of the big changes from 3.* 4.* was a lot of memeory cleanup as I recall.
[21:46]  * OvenWerks obviouly hasn't run ardour3 for some time, it looks quite different.
[21:56] <OvenWerks> 18 tracks (not much content) with eqs, 3 synths,and a few busses with reverbs and the 148MB goes up to 623MB.
[21:56] <OvenWerks> if that is more than it ought to or not, I can't really say.
[21:57] <OvenWerks> drumgizmo or linux sampler can use over a GB just on their own.
[22:00] <OvenWerks> I suspect the the big memory drinkers in that 623MB above are the two instances of fluid synth in there. Qsynth running standalone is 204MB
[22:01] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think we found before that task manager includes memory that is shared between jackd(bus) and all of it's clients but system monitor doesn't.
[22:20] <sakrecoer_> flocculant \o/ and yes, please stay for coffee. as in "do not wander off" <3 :)
[22:21] <flocculant> ha ha
[22:22] <flocculant> my work is done :D
[22:22] <flocculant> now I can just wait for MP's for me to comment on :)
[22:22] <sakrecoer_> that is awesome! now you will have the time to explain to me what you did :)
[22:23] <flocculant> I shook the tree till the broken bits fell out - then watered it a bit, all was well
[22:23] <sakrecoer_> haha
[22:25] <sakrecoer_> gah... MP... Merge... merge... ...push?
[22:25] <sakrecoer_> xq
[22:25] <flocculant> merge proposal
[22:25] <flocculant> or mr - request *shrug*
[22:25] <sakrecoer_> YES!
[22:25] <flocculant> mp I think :)
[22:25]  * sakrecoer_ shake the hand of Mr. Merge Proposal
[22:25] <flocculant> :)
[22:26] <flocculant> I only do testcases ... easy
[22:26] <sakrecoer_> :) i will do qsynth sunday
[22:27] <flocculant> I will not deal with it on Sunday - got a testing irc session to run for xubuntu
[22:28] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-January/011006.html
[22:29] <flocculant> just in case you want to pop by and see what we're up to - given you now have package tracker stuff
[23:00] <zequence> OvenWerks: When I've ran a session with ardour for a few hours, I find that it has gradually leaked memory. I only use processing plugins. No samples or instruments
[23:01] <zequence> Same session, same plugins, about 4GB difference in RAM usage over time
[23:01] <zequence> Something it not right