[01:39] <fluffman> so until I upgraded to Xubuntu Gutsy, anyone on this computer was able to login by clicking their name/face, like in XP.  I know I had to edit something in /etc/pam.d, but I can't find the website from before.
[01:42] <fluffman> brb
[01:43] <eegore> is there a font setting somewhere for xfce?
[01:44] <eegore> everything is just too big
[02:07] <eegore> where is the global font setting
[02:08] <eegore> terminal and everything else is just too big, even at 1024x768
[02:36] <Pumpernickel> eegore: Applications > Settings > User interface settings
[02:43] <MatBoy> Pumpernickel, is there a known fix for the Unexpected Disconnection for SDcards ?
[02:44] <eegore> ] I am thoroughly impressed with xubuntu and the hard drive footpriny
[02:44] <eegore> I only have a 4 gig drive at the moment because my 30 died
[02:45] <eegore> is there a seting for power conservation in laptops?
[02:50] <eegore>  is there a setting for laptop power management
[03:00] <Pumpernickel> eegore: Nothing like gnome-power-manager, which I assume is what you're thinking of.  This might interest you: http://dosnlinux.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/xubuntu-acpi-the-lid/
[03:01] <Pumpernickel> MatBoy: First I've heard of that problem - if you're reasonably sure it's a software, and not a hardware, problem, you should file a bug report.
[03:10] <MatBoy> Pumpernickel, there is already a bug reported and re-reported... so I hope it will be fixed... I have it on one system, HW is OK
[03:13] <eegore> Pumpernickel: then I assume from the lightness of the desktop, it does not strain the batteries too much
[03:14] <eegore> My cpu does support frequencie scaling
[07:52] <zeroflag> jesus, I think I have to speed up my switch to xubuntu...
[07:52] <zeroflag> vista is too broken. =[
[09:11] <presto101> can a person do anything in xubuntu that they can in ubuntu?
[09:11] <presto101> in other words i play a few games and have a nvidia card
[09:12] <presto101> anyone?
[09:14] <presto101> hello?
[09:15] <Pumpernickel> Yes.
[09:16] <Pumpernickel> It's the same system, with a different default desktop environment.
[09:18] <presto101> ah sorry stepped away for a sec pumpernickel
[09:19] <presto101> i like ubuntu and i dont need desktop flash and id heard some good things about xfce
[09:19] <presto101> so if xubuntu does the same things as ubuntu then im set
[10:33] <coldsteal> hello
[10:33] <coldsteal> is there xubuntu gutsy?
[10:33] <coldsteal> yet
[10:39] <TheSheep> !schedule | coldsteal
[10:39] <ubotu> coldsteal: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:40] <TheSheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[10:42] <coldsteal> yeah i have gutsy with gnome but i didnt see anything for the xfce version
[10:52] <preston> i had a couple questions about xubuntu
[10:55] <coldsteal> preston: lol no one can answer then till they know what the are
[10:55] <preston> anyone??
[10:55] <preston> ah just wanted to make sure someone was available
[10:56] <nanonyme> TheSheep, isn't hardy the one that will have 5 year support?
[10:56] <preston> on the live cd i cant acess another ext3 partition will i be able to after i install
[10:56] <preston> same thing for a ntfs external hdd
[10:57] <TheSheep> preston: "can't access"?
[10:58] <TheSheep> preston: it should be perfectly possible
[10:58] <TheSheep> !hardy | nanonyme
[10:58] <ubotu> nanonyme: Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[10:58] <preston> to be specific i cant mount them actually
[10:58] <nanonyme> apparently so
[10:59] <preston> im finding that xubuntu looks really pretty
[10:59] <TheSheep> preston: any message you're getting?
[10:59] <preston> im assuming i cant mount because of it being a live cd
[10:59] <TheSheep> preston: WRONG
[11:00] <TheSheep> preston: any message you're getting?
[11:00] <preston> it says unable to mount sea disk
[11:01] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: des gustibus etc.
[11:01] <TheSheep> preston: how do you try to mount it?
[11:01] <preston> thesheep by right clicking and then clicking mount
[11:03] <TheSheep> preston: ok, try from terminal, you should get a more meaningful message
[11:04] <TheSheep> preston: mkdir yourdisk; mount /dev/sda1 yourdisk
[11:05] <preston> ok here is what i got
[11:06] <preston> logfile indicates unclean shutdown failed to mount sdb1 operation not supported mount is denied because ntfs is marked to be in use
[11:07] <preston> i can now it seems acsess my other linux partitions
[11:07] <TheSheep> preston: boot your windows and shutdown properly
[11:07] <preston> i dont have windows installed
[11:07] <preston> this is a external hdd
[11:08] <TheSheep> well, oops
[11:09] <TheSheep> next time don't just ript the plug
[11:09] <TheSheep> preston: the filesystem is left in a state that cannot by mounted on linux
[11:11] <preston> hmmm ok
[11:11] <preston> only one other question concerning system monitor
[11:12] <preston> i cant seem to fire it up i click it but get nothing
[11:13] <TheSheep> preston: isn't system monitor a panel plugin?
[11:15] <preston> it is but its also under applications
[11:16] <preston> i was able to acsess it on the panel
[11:16] <preston> it says im using 269 megs of memory
[11:16] <preston> does that sound high for a live cd
[11:17] <TheSheep> preston: no, that's about normal
[11:24] <preston> thesheep: whats normal for installed
[12:56] <Aladark> http://aladark.wordpress.com/
[01:13] <Joakim> Hi. How can up update my Xubuntu 7.04 to 7.10? Which command? Update-manager doesn't the job.
[01:26] <hyper_ch> !upgrade
[01:26] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:34] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: online?
[03:25] <homebrewcider> hey all, can someone help me please. since "dist-upgrade" the other day, the computer's been running like a dog, can I roll back?
[03:32] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: generally: no
[03:32] <homebrewcider> hmm
[03:32] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: it would be much more worthwhile to find out why it's so slow
[03:33] <homebrewcider> yes it would
[03:33] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: feisty?
[03:33] <homebrewcider> any way I can find out memo ry usage?
[03:33] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: type 'top' in a terminal
[03:34] <homebrewcider> hmm, opera has 3 entries
[03:34] <homebrewcider> ?
[03:36] <TheSheep> try killing them
[03:36] <homebrewcider> chewing up an enormous amount of cpu
[03:36] <homebrewcider> killing them ?
[03:36] <homebrewcider> how?
[03:36] <TheSheep> press 'k' and type the pid of the process to kill
[03:36] <TheSheep> pid is the number in the first column
[03:37] <homebrewcider> i'm on it
[03:38] <homebrewcider> ok, they're killed, what would cause a program to have 3 entries?
[03:39] <TheSheep> starting it three times, for exmaple
[03:40] <homebrewcider> it was crashing, upon restart it would say already running
[03:40] <homebrewcider> hmmm
[03:40] <homebrewcider> okay
[03:40] <TheSheep> it could also have forkedafter you started
[03:40] <homebrewcider> thanx
[03:40] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: apparently it didn't crash, it stayed running in memory
[03:40] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: can you add new things to Ubotu?
[03:41] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no
[03:41] <TheSheep> !bugs | hyper_ch
[03:41] <ubotu> hyper_ch: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:41] <homebrewcider> okay Sheep, many thanks
[03:41] <homebrewcider> seems "Program manager" Kill function did not fully kill it lol
[03:43] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: it's not a bug and the ubotu homepage is down
[03:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: wishes qualify too
[03:44] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: place a wish as a bug?
[03:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: place a wish as a feature request/enchacement
[03:45] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, I see nothing there about that... only about bug filing
[04:06] <Ben_Cs> hello
[04:06] <vinze> Hey Ben_Cs
[04:07] <Ben_Cs> i've installed a network switch on my network. my xubuntu pc has network (see's other pc's) but no internet. how do i fix this?
[04:08] <Ben_Cs> oh never mind. it just took it a minute to work
[04:08] <Ben_Cs> :)
[04:08] <vinze> :)
[04:08] <Ben_Cs> and finally, thanks to the switch my network transfers are fast as should be :)
[04:10] <Ben_Cs> hmmm. i can use Pidgin, and skype, but can't browse http......
[04:11] <Ben_Cs> when i dualboot to winxp i can browse http
[04:11] <Ben_Cs> help pleasde
[04:12] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: do you have your dns set correctly?
[04:12] <Ben_Cs> ha?
[04:13] <Ben_Cs> don't know
[04:13] <Ben_Cs> it's like some port's work and some don't
[04:14] <Ben_Cs> but winxp has everything working
[04:15] <Ben_Cs> :(
[04:16] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: do you have your dns set correctly?
[04:18] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: how do i check?
[04:20] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: system -> network -> dns
[04:21] <Ben_Cs> seems right
[04:24] <Ben_Cs> so what could be wrong?
[04:24] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: proxy settings in firefox?
[04:25] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i use crossed cable, but my switch can handle it - handles it fine on WinXP, so that's not the cause i guess
[04:25] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: since your other programs work, it's not the physical layer
[04:26] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: it's not only firefox: chatx, firefox, don't work.  pidgin,skype do work
[04:27] <Ben_Cs> update manager can't connect aswell
[04:28] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: open terminal
[04:28] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: and type 'host google.com'
[04:30] <Ben_Cs> i get info
[04:30] <Ben_Cs> about google
[04:32] <Ben_Cs> btw, skype says it's connected but i am not able to make calls
[04:33] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: mtr google.com
[04:34] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i have some precentage of packe loss
[04:34] <Ben_Cs> *packet
[04:37] <TheSheep> but it gets there?
[04:37] <Ben_Cs> more accurately: the only internet protocol the works is ICQ
[04:37] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: looks like it gets there, yes
[04:48] <Ben_Cs> i want to cry
[04:58] <Pumpernickel> Sounds like an http proxy problem.
[04:58] <Pumpernickel> Either you're trying to use one and shouldn't, or you aren't using one and should.
[04:59] <Ben_Cs> Pumpernickel: the thing is that other ports than http don't work as well. only icq works
[06:41] <hyper_ch> !envy
[06:41] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[06:45] <hyper_ch> !restricted
[06:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:49] <hyper_ch> !ndiswrapper
[06:49] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:29] <Ancient1> hi .trying to install. when it comes to loading X , i get faintblue color and CD thrashes on and on = doesn't load
[07:30] <Ancient1> any clue ?
[07:31] <Ancient1> oops. trying to use the live-cd
[07:31] <pleia2> how much ram do you have?
[07:31] <Ancient1> 128 sdram
[07:32] <pleia2> that's not enough to run the livecd
[07:32] <pleia2> you'll need to use the alternate cd
[07:32] <Ancient1> it says (F1) thats the minimum. but if u insist.. :)
[07:33] <Ancient1> is the alternate as easy as this cd ?
[07:33] <pleia2> it's a text based installer, but yes, it's very easy
[07:33] <Ancient1> noobs friendly
[07:34] <pleia2> yep
[07:34] <Ancient1> ok. do u think it will run in 128 after i install ?
[07:34] <pleia2> yes
[07:34] <pleia2> see the system requirements on http://xubuntu.com/get
[07:34] <Ancient1> had a hard time.. thought the burning went bad, done again..
[07:35] <Ancient1> ah . ok . great (hmm must've read that :))
[07:36] <Ancient1> say. what swap size should I set ?
[07:36] <pleia2> probably 256
[07:37] <Ancient1> MB ?   nice
[07:37] <Ancient1> thanks !
[07:37] <pleia2> if you're new to this you probably just want the installer to set up partitions for you (including swap), it does a good job
[07:38] <Ancient1> already installed few distros. but I get stuck easy , if u know what i mean ;)
[07:48] <anahata> hi
[07:49] <anahata> can anyone help me figure out how to use an md5 checker to make sure my xubuntu download is uncorrupted?
[07:50] <hyper_ch> anahata: md5check file
[07:50] <Ben_Cs> hello
[07:51] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: hiho
[07:51] <Ben_Cs> still have the problem that xubuntu can't get a proper internet connection from router, while WinXP can.
[07:51] <anahata> i'm not in ubuntu right now.... i'm using FastSum and i'm sorry but i don't know how to do it
[07:51] <anahata> i had used md5 checker, thought i did it right, and it came out that the md5 did not match the one listed on the xubuntu site
[07:52] <hyper_ch> anahata: well, this is an ubuntu channel... so we use ubuntu tools ;)
[07:52] <Ben_Cs> meaning: xubuntu gets something like 1% of connection - only icq works, and firefox loads only google.com cause it's lite
[07:52] <anahata> i had torrented the file, i must be doing something wrong b/c supposedly every distro i download is corrupted then
[07:52] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: IPv6 deactivated?
[07:52] <anahata> i just want a clean copy of ubuntu so i can start using it :|
[07:53] <hyper_ch> !md5 | anahata
[07:53] <ubotu> anahata: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[07:55] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: don't know: suggestions of action?
[07:55] <hyper_ch> !ipv6 | Ben_Cs
[07:55] <ubotu> Ben_Cs: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[07:56] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: you rhink i should DISABLE it?
[07:56] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: yes
[07:57] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: i would think that if WinXP uses it and it works, then xubuntu should use it as well for internet to work
[07:57] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: do you think windowsxp uses ipv6 by default as primary internet protocol?
[07:58] <Ben_Cs> thought so
[08:00] <Ben_Cs> well hyper_ch, will try this. be back later to tell results
[08:02] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: you think ipv6 not working with the router itself?
[08:03] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: does it matter? just try it
[08:03] <Ben_Cs> ok
[08:03] <anahata> i'm looking at the help files you just pointed me to, and i don't understand it
[08:04] <anahata> mostly, one page refers to an md5 file but it's in html format... and the programs looks for a .md5 file i think
[08:07] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: ipv6 concerns only internet or lan aswell? cause my internal network works fine on xubuntu
[08:08] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: did you read what's written on IPv6?
[08:10] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: ok it's internet protocol. i did what the doc said, now i have no internet connection at all
[08:11] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: did you restart?
[08:11] <Ben_Cs> yes
[08:12] <hyper_ch> that should have no effect on the connection at all
[08:12] <hyper_ch> just on the dns queries
[08:13] <Ben_Cs> one sec
[08:17] <Ben_Cs_> hyper_ch: ok, so what's now? i have the same problem still. minimum conectivity that is
[08:17] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs_: no clue then
[08:18] <Ben_Cs_> ok thnx
[08:31] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: still here?
[08:32] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: yes
[08:33] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: remember i had random net drops when had my xubuntu connected directly to winxp pc?
[08:33] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: well, I remember you have some problems
[08:33] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: and u said i should use a switch?
[08:33] <ICXCNIKA> I am thinking of using Xubuntu instead of Kubuntu for my Inspiron 5100. Does Xubuntu provide the user with a web browser?
[08:33] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: could be
[08:33] <hyper_ch> ICXCNIKA: yes
[08:34] <ICXCNIKA> hyper_ch: What is its default web browser if I may ask?
[08:35] <hyper_ch> ICXCNIKA: FF
[08:35] <Ben_Cs> so the only way i got the internet to work is if i set the dsl router as regular dsl modem, which is connected to winxp pc. the winxp pc is in turn connected to a switch and shares the internet connection to the switch. the xubuntu pc is connected to the switch. get the picture? so that should help against random net drops on xubuntu?
[08:35] <ICXCNIKA> hyper_ch: Good.
[08:36] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: no clue how your setup works... here my dsl modem sets up the connection itself... and it has 4 ports already for lan
[08:36] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: so I don't have to go through a win box
[08:36] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: but as said, I have no clue how yours works
[08:36] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: good for u. i have a dsl modem with 1 port
[08:37] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: does it build the connection on its own?
[08:38] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: my question is: is it better that my xubuntu gets it's connection not directly from winxp machine but channeled through a switch that stands between winxp machine and xubuntu machine?
[08:39] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: a switch is need to connect more than 2 devices together which seems not to be the case for you
[08:39] <hyper_ch> either hook up a router or a switch to your modem... a switch only if the modem is also a router
[08:40] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: to hook it as you suggest makes xubuntu have almost no internet connectivity
[08:40] <hyper_ch> then there is some misconfiguration
[08:41] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: but you said u don't have an idea what could it be. neither do i
[08:41] <hyper_ch> well, turning ipv6 off should help
[08:42] <hyper_ch> do you actually have a gateway in your config?
[08:42] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: when i look in configs of network in xubuntu the gateway is the routers ip
[08:43] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: use ifconfig
[08:46] <Ben_Cs> had it right there aswell
[08:46] <hyper_ch> then I don't know
[10:22] <nikolam> After I installed latest update (Xubuntu 7.04 64 bit) Seamonkey wont start
[10:22] <nikolam> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[10:24] <TheSheep> !bugs
[10:24] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:42] <Ancient1> heya , need to MD5SUM the alternate ISO, cd isn't ok . where do I find the ISO's MD5 ?
[10:44] <nikolam> )Hello what is the meaning of top showng 100%si ? Mouse and whole machine got stuck every 10 seconds regularly.
[10:45] <hyper_ch> Ancient1: on the mirror sites where you can download the isos
[10:46] <nikolam> top is not showing any process that is causing high cpu usage. i can hardy typ anything now.
[10:46] <nikolam> I have dual core 2ghz amd btw.
[10:46] <Ancient1> hyper_ch, thx
[10:47] <Ancient1> nikolam I think there's a fix for that , look in ubuntu forums if no one here knows
[10:48] <nikolam> thanks Ancient1
[10:48] <Ancient1> I  remembersomething
[10:48] <Ancient1> oh. ok . GL
[10:49] <nikolam> If I dont go mad on coputer stuck and after 5th reinstall..
[10:49] <Ancient1> no. its something to do with C2D and linux
[10:49] <Ancient1> hmm dual core isn't Core2Duo ;)
[10:53] <Ancient1> ufff  so much hassle with getting xubuntu on cd :(
[10:56] <Ben_Cs> is there a difference for xubuntu if my adsl router configured as pppoe or pppoa?
[10:59] <Ancient1> laters all , thanks for the help
[11:13] <nikolam_> hi
[11:13] <nikolam_> I sort of found solution for blocking machine every ten seconds
[11:14] <nikolam_> I deinstalled SCIM that appeared in the tray and everything depended on it
[11:14] <nikolam_> And now it is ok.
[11:14] <nikolam_> Bah
[11:47] <M_A_K> I just aquired a Macintosh Laptop with only 64 MB RAM.  Can I install xubuntu?
[11:49] <TheSheep> M_A_K: it will be SLOW
[12:03] <Ancient1> f00k me !  everytime I run winMD5sum I get different MD5 !!
[12:04] <Ancient1> its the 3rd iso i d/l


[11:04] <noel_> Hello. It would be very kind if someone could run "sudo sha256sum /boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-47-generic" on his Xubuntu 20.04.1 system and message the hash to me, since I've just installed Xubuntu on my PC with and .iso from a mirror and grub2 says that the signature is invalid. I would just like to make sure that nothing is wrong with my system. Thank you.
[13:08] <pjotter> In whiskermenu, the category 'Other' seems to randomly disappear en reappear after a log-out/in. Does anyone know what is causing this?
[13:19] <max12345> Hello everyone, I want to make a change/improvement. Not sure if this is the right channel to ask and not sure who and how to get into contact with the maintainers. Any advice?
[13:22] <gnrp> max12345: It is likely not the right channel. However, if you have a proposal, jsut write it, and maybe somebody will react to it
[13:22] <gnrp> howevre, there are separate dev channels (-dev?) and you can also open a bug report
[13:22] <gnrp> !dev
[13:23] <max12345> gnrp: thanks that's maybe hopefully the answer I needed.
[13:28] <gnrp> max12345: There are also people reading here or might have comments, so it might make sense to already propose it here
[13:32] <max12345> Not much of a proposal, I want to make apport more helpful for users. Depending on interpretation that's not a bug though.
[16:17] <xCf> Hi, I have a question. I need to login to either ubuntu ONE or windows Live so I can configure live patch. I just started using xubuntu..
[16:30] <GridCube> can't you just log froma  website?
[16:36] <pmjdebruijn> xCf: on a desktop, there's little reason to use livepatch really
[16:37] <pmjdebruijn> xCf: but aside from that, what's the question, you only made a statement
[16:42] <Maik> pmjdebruijn: why not if Ubuntu provides it for the desktop and up to three machines for users?
[16:43] <pmjdebruijn> just because someone provides something, doesn't mean you need to use it
[16:44] <pmjdebruijn> desktops are easy enough to reboot once a day or so
[16:44] <pmjdebruijn> and I'd rather not have Canonical datamine me
[16:44] <pmjdebruijn> the fact you need an account, at least for me is a big turnoff
[16:45] <pmjdebruijn> the bigger point being, it's choice one needs to consider, not just do because you can
[16:48] <skauviken> Still struggeling with connecting to ubuntu one with xubuntu
[16:50] <Maik> skauviken: would be easier if you use one nick when asking for support otherwise it might work confusing.
[16:50] <Maik> also... did you read the rest?
[16:50] <Maik> pmjdebruijn: hmmm... good points
[16:51] <skauviken> just configured it in config file sorry
[16:51] <skauviken> setting up system now
[16:51] <Maik> that doesn't answer my/our question(s)
[16:51] <skauviken> neither mine what was the question?
[16:55] <pmjdebruijn> skauviken: did you get my point ,about not actually needing livepatch ?
[16:56] <pmjdebruijn> or what goal are you trying to achieve?
[16:57] <skauviken> activating livepatch
[16:58] <pmjdebruijn> that's not really a goal, that's means, the goal would be to never have to reboot your computer
[16:58] <Maik> pmjdebruijn:  i guess he didn't since he doesn't answer our questions
[16:59] <pmjdebruijn> skauviken: for question of livepatch you might want to visit a server oriented channel, I doubt many desktops users have ever used it
[17:00] <skauviken> Okidoke
[17:18] <Maik> it's all explained on the webpage....
[19:13] <xCfat> What advantages has xubuntu over other flavours?
[19:15] <diogenes_> xCfat, flawless.
[19:15] <genii> heh
[20:39] <xCfat> I am trying to wrap my head around this, is it using gnome or can it use gnome? I want to tweak something
[20:41] <xCfat> I am using lightDM GTK+ settings i was wondering how to add more themes
[20:42] <Bashing-om> !themes
[20:42] <xCfat> I want to add more :)
[20:47] <Bashing-om> xCfat: Have you seen: https://wiki.xfce.org/start?id=howto/install_new_themes ?
[22:01] <arktvrvs> i like xubuntu a lot. well done xubuntu developers
[22:10] <Unit193> \o/


[13:10] <rayquaza59> hello I would like to participate to the translation of the Ubuntu wiki. How can I help?


 "grub-install <device>... That..." <- thanks, my bad, it was set to boot Legacy only in BIOS (for an unknown reason), switching to Both  (Legacy&EFI) solved the issue.
[14:49] <entity[m]> I am having issues, 2 screens but workspace switcher is the same on both displays
[14:50] <entity[m]> Switching at same time on both screens
[14:58] <OvenWerks> entity[m]: I think I need more information
[14:59] <OvenWerks> I take it you have two displays but I am not sure how work spaces mix in with that
[14:59] <OvenWerks> I have two displays
[15:00] <OvenWerks> I have the displays set up one beside the other and the desktop environment sees them as one big display.
[15:00] <entity[m]> Well I set virtual desktops and in sys tray if i do a virtual desktop 1 to 2 it is done on both monitors
[15:01] <OvenWerks> when I switch workspaces, both displays switch to the new workspace
[15:01] <OvenWerks> entity[m]: and what do you expect?
[15:02] <OvenWerks> Are your displays set to mirror? That is, do they both have the same thing on them?
[15:02] <entity[m]> Well to use virtual displays individualy on bith screens
[15:02] <entity[m]> No they are separated displays
[15:02] <entity[m]> And act as separated
[15:03] <OvenWerks> but if you move you mouse it will move from one display to the other?
[15:03] <entity[m]> But when i do virtual desktop switch, then it happens on both screens at a same time
[15:04] <OvenWerks> yes, because your machine sees both displays as if they were one big display
[15:04] <entity[m]> Is there solution for virtual desktops
[15:05] <OvenWerks> Assuming you are using a recent ubuntustudio with the plasma (KDE) desktop
[15:05] <OvenWerks> That question is poorly worded, I do not know what you are trying to ask
[15:05] <entity[m]> I am
[15:06] <entity[m]> Well virtual desktop switcher is doing switch on both display, it serves as same action on both displays
[15:07] <entity[m]> I cant switch display without switching on both screens
[15:07] <OvenWerks> You may be better asking this question in #kubuntu which ubuntustudio is built on top of. however, be aware that there was conference this past week and many people may still be traveling
[15:07] <OvenWerks> yes because the two screens are seen as one very large display no two displays
[15:08] <OvenWerks> I do not know if there is a way of treating the two displays as separate
[15:10] <OvenWerks> I have not had a problem with the standard way of doing things. I use 4 workspaces. If I need the same window on more than one workspace I can pin it to show on all


[06:19] <mborzecki> morning
[07:31] <mborzecki> mvo:  hey
[07:32] <mvo> mborzecki: hey, good morning!
[07:32] <mvo> mborzecki: how is life, anything important happend on friday?
[07:33] <mborzecki> mvo: iirc nothing super important, pedronis is off today
[07:35] <mborzecki> mvo: the pulseaudio test seems to be causing issues on 20.04
[07:35] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, cool. no bad news is good news
[07:35] <mvo> mborzecki: anything in particular needs reviews?
[07:35]  * mvo is current going top-bottom
[07:35] <mborzecki> mvo: i was not albe to reproduce it, but according to standup notes ian maanged to do so calling spread in loop ratehr than with -repeat
[07:36] <mvo> mborzecki: hm, that's annoying, any clues?
[07:37] <mborzecki> mvo: no, not really, maybe we should consider skipping the test on 20.04 until we figure it out, seems to break travis runs quite often
[07:38] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, that works for me
[07:38] <mborzecki> mvo: oh, and 8077 could use a review ;)
[07:38] <mborzecki> #8077
[07:38] <mup> PR #8077: boot: enable base snap updates in bootstate20 <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8077>
[07:41] <mborzecki> mvo: and something off with autorefresh https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-is-updating-off-schedule/15323/10 even though the schedule is calcualted correctly
[07:45] <mvo> mborzecki: and it's not because the last update happend ages ago ? (or there was some sort of clock glitch?)
[07:46] <zyga> good morning
[07:47] <mvo> hey zyga
[07:47] <zyga> sorry, I overslept
[07:47] <mvo> zyga: no worries
[07:47] <zyga> but almost on time for 9 am start
[07:47] <mvo> zyga: flexible hours++
[07:47] <mvo> zyga: :)
[07:47] <zyga> winter holidays started for the kids today
[07:47] <zyga> so no alarm clocks or anything
[07:48] <mvo> zyga: sounds very nice if you ask me :)
[07:49] <zyga> yeah, all quiet
[07:49] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[07:49] <zyga> :)
[07:49] <zyga> let me make some coffee quickly
[07:50] <mborzecki> mvo: no, looking at the log there's an update on Feb 05 12:22:39 and anothr one on Feb 06 09:54:28, while the 'ages ago' thing is 60 days
[07:58] <mvo> mborzecki: meh, that's annoying, thank you
[07:59] <pstolowski> morning
[08:02] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:03] <mvo> hey pstolowski !
[08:04] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[08:09] <zyga> hey pawel :)
[08:13] <mup> PR snapd#8096 closed: tests: retry mounting the udisk2 device due to timing issue <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8096>
[08:29] <mborzecki> re
[08:33] <pstolowski> hmmm i need to do something about task pruning wrt pre-seeded image
[09:59] <zyga> re
[10:00] <zyga> pstolowski: can you tell me more please?
[10:01] <mborzecki> hmm so i reproduced the problem with pulseaudio, and looks like the pulseaudio daemon is not actually listetning on any socket
[10:03] <mvo> mborzecki: woah
[10:04] <mborzecki> mvo: i'll try with a custom script for the server
[10:06] <zyga> mborzecki: how is that possible
[10:06] <zyga> mborzecki: as in misbehaving and not listening on any socket
[10:07] <pstolowski> zyga: on the pre-baked image we have changes & tasks with spawn-times in the past. i wonder if prune mat abort them if the image is booted after >24h from pre-baking
[10:07] <pstolowski> s/mat/may/
[10:08] <mborzecki> zyga: idk, lsof clearly shows it's not listening on anyting, no logs, nothing, any action tries /run/user/12345/pulse/native and gets connection refused (cause nobody's listening)
[10:08] <zyga> pstolowski: ah
[10:08] <zyga> pstolowski: interesting!
[10:08] <mborzecki> zyga: restarting pulseaudio magically fixes this
[10:08] <zyga> pstolowski: that's tricky, do we need any extra state so that they are not pruned?
[10:08] <zyga> mborzecki: is that easy to reproduce?
[10:10] <pstolowski> zyga: i wonder if that isn't a general concern (but maybe i'm missing something): what if you have a change in flight, power off in the middle, turn back on after >24h. you may hit readyTime.IsZero() == true and spawnTime.Before(abortLimit) == true afaict, meaning the change gets aborted. this is if you are unlucky and the change does not finish in 10 minutes after boot (this is the prune ticker interval)
[10:11] <mborzecki> zyga: not really, happened just one so far
[10:13] <pstolowski> zyga: i don't think we need extra state for pre-seed case, should be enough to check if there is any "become-operational" change and if so, just block pruning for some time based on its ready-time
[10:14] <pstolowski> i need a test case, this is indeed a bit tricky stuff
[10:16] <zyga> pstolowski: yeah, I think we don't model suspend/off time in our system
[10:41] <mborzecki> E: [pulseaudio] socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use
[10:41] <mborzecki> E: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to load module "module-native-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
[10:41] <mborzecki> heh
[10:46] <zyga> mborzecki: that's interesting
[10:46] <zyga> mborzecki: do we have any pulseaudio fakes?
[10:46] <zyga> mborzecki: that might clobber the unix socket
[10:46] <zyga> mborzecki: or perhaps it's something more silly, like stale socket being left in place
[10:46] <zyga> mborzecki: I don't recall what happens if a socket is in the FS and you try to create a new one there
[10:47] <mborzecki> zyga: added rm -f /run/user/12345/pulse/native just in case it's needed
[10:47] <zyga> mborzecki: do we remove /run/user/12345 anywhere?
[10:51] <zyga> mborzecki: I think the code that handles the test user
[10:51] <zyga> mborzecki: as in, uses it
[10:51] <zyga> mborzecki: could remove /run/user/12345 after each test
[10:56] <mborzecki> zyga: and probably kill all processes of test user too
[10:56] <zyga> mborzecki: yeah, that's a good idea
[10:56] <zyga> mborzecki: too bad that doesn't scale to "root" :-)
[10:56] <zyga> mborzecki: it would be easier for us
[11:00] <mup> PR snapd#8108 opened: tests/main/interfaces-pulseaudio: use custom pulseaudio script, set kill timeout <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108>
[11:00] <mborzecki> mvo: zyga: ^^
[11:00] <zyga> reading
[11:00] <mborzecki> still running some tests, will force push as needed
[11:02] <zyga> reviewed
[11:02] <mborzecki> hmm why does paplay hang when it cannot connect after the plug was disconnected?
[11:03] <zyga> mborzecki: paplay is simple, maybe it assumes too much
[11:03] <zyga> mborzecki: but really, no idea
[11:03] <zyga> mborzecki: does it spin or hang?
[11:44] <zyga> mborzecki: can you look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7980
[11:44] <mup> PR #7980: packaging,snap-confine: stop being setgid root <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7980>
[11:44] <mborzecki> zyga: sure
[11:44] <zyga> mborzecki: I've handled the review from jamie and apart from one small tweak it is ready for re-review
[12:21] <zyga>   mborzecki requested a review on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108
[12:21] <mup> PR #8108: tests/main/interfaces-pulseaudio: use custom pulseaudio script, set kill timeout <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108>
[12:21] <zyga> er
[12:21] <zyga> not on this one
[12:21] <zyga> I meant 7925
[12:22]  * zyga switches to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7825
[12:22] <mup> PR #7825: many: use transient scope for tracking apps and hooks <Security-High> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7825>
[13:00] <mborzecki> zyga: some comments in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7980
[13:01] <mup> PR #7980: packaging,snap-confine: stop being setgid root <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7980>
[13:01] <zyga> aha
[13:01] <zyga> looking
[13:01] <zyga> thank you for reviewing!
[13:07] <zyga> mborzecki: updated
[13:07] <zyga> mborzecki: please look again :)
[13:08] <zyga> I need to take Bit out
[13:10] <mborzecki> zyga: thanks!
[13:26] <mup> PR snapd#8107 closed: tests/lib/prepare: use a local copy of uc20 initramfs skeleton <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8107>
[13:26] <mborzecki> #8081 needs a 2nd review, zyga maybe you can take a look since you did a pass before?
[13:27] <mup> PR #8081: tests/main/user-session-env: add test verifying environment variables inside the user session <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8081>
[13:27] <zyga> mborzecki: yes
[13:27] <zyga> mborzecki: looking
[13:27] <mborzecki> thanks!
[13:28] <zyga> mborzecki: do you remember why [[ vs [ ?
[13:28] <zyga> wow
[13:28] <mborzecki> zyga: [[ is bash builtin, [ is /bin/test alias, but bash does a builtin anyway?
[13:28] <zyga> tunderstorm
[13:28] <zyga> thunder hit nearby
[13:28] <zyga> wow, that was LOUD
[13:29] <zyga> wonder if any glasses broken
[13:29] <zyga> or windows or whatever
[13:29] <mborzecki> zyga: had hailstorm here today :P
[13:29] <mborzecki> and +9C :P
[13:29] <zyga> mvo: how is your weather? do you experience the big storm that sweeps across EU now?
[13:29] <zyga> mborzecki: same here +9
[13:29] <zyga> it's so warm for such a windy day
[13:30] <zyga> mborzecki: as for [[ vs [, I would use [ unless [[ is required,
[13:31] <mborzecki> zyga:  i can push a patch htere
[13:31] <zyga> because it's non obvious why [[ is used here and we use [ nearly everywhere unless we require extra semantics from [[
[13:31] <zyga> mborzecki: I can apply a inline suggestion, just wanted to understand why first
[13:31] <mborzecki> zyga: inline is fine, saves the checkout/commit/push cycle
[13:33] <zyga> yep
[13:33] <zyga> thanks
[13:34] <zyga> mborzecki: no permission to push
[13:34] <mborzecki> zyga: weird
[13:34] <mborzecki> let me do it locally
[13:34] <zyga> try applying my suggestion
[13:34] <zyga> maybe it's that
[13:42] <ijohnson> happy monday folks
[13:48] <ijohnson> mborzecki: were you able to sort out the weirdness with pulseaudio ?
[13:48] <ijohnson> I have some thoughts from my investigation on Friday that I didn't get around to putting in the SU doc
[13:49] <mborzecki> ijohnson: yeah, sort of, plase look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108
[13:49] <mup> PR #8108: tests/main/interfaces-pulseaudio: use custom pulseaudio script, set kill timeout <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108>
[13:49] <ijohnson> ack looking now
[13:49] <mborzecki> perhaps not all of it is needed, but i suppose it won't hurt
[13:51] <mborzecki> wow, thunderstorm here
[13:51] <ijohnson> ahhhh okay your last line at the end explains one of the things that was very confusing to me
[13:52] <ijohnson> I was constantly seeing it fail when I had restarted it in a way that it stuck around, but having your last statement kill it would make the execute not fail
[13:52] <ijohnson> it was very confusing because I even put a `exit 0` at the end of the execute section and it still would say the run failed
[13:56] <mborzecki> ijohnson: yeah, i believe the pulseuadio process is keeping the pty allocated by ssh still open, so either nohup with that pulseaudio start line, or su -P (?), or just kill it before leaving
[13:57] <mborzecki> ijohnson: that daemon start script is superfluous, but it makes the setup simpler, eg. pulseaudio doesn't try to use bluez and so on
[13:57] <ijohnson> mborzecki: great! yeah I think your PR looks good, did you try it running spread in a loop?
[13:58] <mborzecki> ijohnson: i was able to get it to block on each run eventually :P
[13:59] <mborzecki> btw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22279585 (cc zyga)
[14:37] <zyga> mvo: let me review the netlink code now
[14:43] <Saviq> cachio: are "fedora-rawhide-64" images something you build? we're having trouble with GPG keys on those https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1260
[14:43] <cachio> Saviq, yes
[14:44] <cachio> well I just update this
[14:44] <cachio> apply the latest changes
[14:44] <cachio> Saviq, I'll take a look
[14:51] <mborzeck1> aaand no power, running on battery
[14:58] <ijohnson> mborzeck1: oh no hope your power is restored soon
[15:01] <zyga> mvo: I'll grab lunch/dinner and sit on that netlink PR
[15:02] <zyga> mvo: I'm not super happy about it, it's very messy still (I know there are constraints)
[15:02] <zyga> mvo: I'd like to make it simpler and more robust
[15:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#2924 opened: cli: explicitly ensure type 'snapd' is non-legacy <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2924>
[15:16]  * zyga eats
[15:19] <mborzeck1> ijohnson: posted some comments in #8077
[15:19] <mup> PR #8077: boot: enable base snap updates in bootstate20 <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8077>
[15:19] <ijohnson> mborzeck1: thanks will look after meeting
[15:19] <mborzeck1> and power is backing, switching systems
[15:19] <mborzeck1> s/backing/back/
[15:26] <mvo> zyga: in a meeting right now
[15:26] <zyga> no rush
[15:26] <mvo> zyga: but yeah, thank you
[15:26] <mvo> zyga: simple++
[15:39]  * cachio lunch
[16:04] <ijohnson> mvo: I had to add one more commit to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8106, do you think I can merge if it goes green now?
[16:04] <mup> PR #8106: tests: add "core" suite for UC specific tests <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8106>
[16:13] <mvo> ijohnson: +1
[16:13] <mvo> zyga: back now
[16:13] <ijohnson> thanks mvo
[16:13] <mvo> ijohnson: thank you :)
[16:14] <ijohnson> also it seems mborzecki's pulseaudio changes aren't enough, I will try to merge my stuff with what he has and if it works I will push to his branch
[16:16] <zyga> oh fun
[16:23]  * ijohnson goes to buy another goat to sacrifice to the pulseaudio spread test gods
[16:29] <mup> PR snapd#8109 opened: [RFC] o/devicestate: don't prune tasks immediediately <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8109>
[16:33] <zyga> pstolowski: some instant suggestions on comments
[16:34] <pstolowski> zyga: thanks, i think i'm gonna change it, just had an enlightement
[16:35] <zyga> should I refrain from reviewing the rest?
[16:36] <pstolowski> zyga: yep, please hold on, thanks!
[16:36] <zyga> ok
[16:44] <oSoMoN> jdstrand, I would appreciate your input on bug #1859643
[16:44] <mup> Bug #1859643: [snap] cannot use shared NSS db <snap> <chromium-browser (Ubuntu):Triaged by osomon> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1859643>
[16:49] <zyga> oSoMoN: I believe jamie is off today
[16:49] <oSoMoN> zyga, ah, thanks, I'll try again tomorrow then
[16:50] <mvo> zyga: I updated 8063 now
[16:51] <zyga> aha
[16:52] <zyga> let me read it quickly
[16:53] <zyga> mvo: done
[16:53] <zyga> mvo: it looks great, there are a few comment that were not responded to though
[16:53] <zyga> let me update those that were quickly
[16:54] <zyga> done
[16:54] <zyga> mvo: can you scan through those quickly
[16:54] <zyga> I think a quick line in remove-user/task.yaml will solve the first one
[16:54] <zyga> the [[ can probably just become [
[16:55] <zyga> the wording on snap remove user is something we can talk about (not blocking) but I think the original error is not comprehensible much
[16:55] <mvo> zyga: aha, github did hide some from me, sorry for this
[16:55] <zyga> mvo: the api docs can be "not documented"
[16:55] <mvo> zyga: I see them now
[16:55] <mvo> zyga: let me look at those
[16:55] <zyga> mvo: but I wasn't sure
[16:55] <zyga> mvo: I guess we ought to document this
[16:55] <zyga> mvo: but not super critical
[16:55] <zyga> mvo: if you rush this
[16:55] <zyga> mvo: lastly since this deals with users I would love to see even a post-factum review from security
[16:56] <zyga> mvo: and perhaps the test I suggested
[16:56] <zyga> as it could be a nasty CVE if that were to work
[16:56] <zyga> mvo: (this doesn't capture that the changes you made look great)
[16:56]  * zyga hugs mvo
[16:57] <mvo> zyga: thank you! I address the other bits now
[16:57]  * mvo hugs zyga
[17:07] <pstolowski> ijohnson: hey, will you find some time to look at #8046?
[17:07] <mup> PR #8046: many, tests: integrate all preseed bits and add spread tests <Complex> <Needs Samuele review> <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8046>
[17:07] <ijohnson> pstolowski: yes I will try to get to it today or tomorrow
[17:08] <pstolowski> ijohnson: thanks!
[17:18]  * zyga breaks, family is back
[17:28] <mup> PR snapd#8110 opened: store: add support for resume in DownloadStream <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8110>
[17:43] <cachio> mvo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vns7w2Jq8v/
[17:58] <mup> PR core20#21 opened: Add bash-completion support <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/21>
[18:00] <mup> PR snapd#8111 opened: tests: Adding new backend which includes images with tpm support <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8111>
[18:02]  * cachio afk
[18:03] <cachio> I'll be out 30 minutes
[18:06] <mup> PR core18#147 opened: Add bash-completion support <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/147>
[18:12] <zyga> mvo: I'm making progress on netlink code
[18:12] <zyga> mvo: I will have it tonight
[18:33] <zyga> ah, maciek is off already
[18:42] <mvo> zyga: nice
[18:43] <mvo> cachio: nice!
[18:43] <mvo> cachio: cool to see this
[19:06] <mup> PR snapd#8106 closed: tests: add "core" suite for UC specific tests <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8106>
[19:45] <zyga> I sent mvo the epoll based netlink stuff
[19:45] <zyga> and will wrap up for the day
[19:46] <zyga> ijohnson: I can telegram you a zip if you want to see
[19:46] <ijohnson> zyga: if I want to see what?
[19:46] <zyga> ijohnson: epoll based netlink listener in go
[19:46] <ijohnson> oh, nah I have other things to review/look at this afternoon :-)
[19:47] <ijohnson> in other news I think I have the pulseaudio spread test under control
[19:47] <zyga> :)
[19:47] <zyga> sure
[19:47] <ijohnson> haven't hit the failure yet in 2 consecutive runs :-)
[19:47] <zyga> have fun with pulseaudio there, I'd love to know what's the root problem in the end
[19:56] <ijohnson> don't get your hopes up too much, my solution is just to start it, kill it violently, and restart it, but there's now at least some more information in the logs if someone wanted to file a bug upstream with pulseaudio folks
[20:02] <mup> PR snapd#8112 opened: tests: move main/ubuntu-core-* tests to core/ suite <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8112>
[20:21] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: can I assign dimitri's snapcraft build bug to you, just as a reminder to unblock the PR once the prerequisite bugs are fixed?
[20:21] <ijohnson> cmatsuoka: sure, I just updated the PR today, so it's ready as soon as snapcraft is ready
[20:22] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: thanks, hopefully we'll have this fixed soon
[20:23] <zyga> ondra: wrote regression test, fix coming up tomorrow
[20:36] <mup> Issue core20#20 closed: Unpublish the core20 snap for i386 <publication> <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issue/20>
[20:56] <NickZ> Has anyone tested on Fedora 31 recently? It appears that it's broken and has been for a while
[21:00] <NickZ> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/error-system-does-not-fully-support-snapd/14911/14
[21:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#2920 closed: meta: initialize Snap at once in from_dict() <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2920>
[21:01] <NickZ> Snapd, that is
[21:19] <cachio> Saviq, I left a message in the issue
[21:19] <cachio> with that the problem should be fixed
[21:23] <Saviq> cachio: thanks!
[21:23] <cachio> Saviq, yaw,
[21:30] <Saviq>  cachio: while we could do this, shouldn't an image rebuild fix this? It feels wrong to ignore gpg errors?
[21:33] <mup> PR snapcraft#2919 closed: sanity_checks: fix sanity check on Windows <Created by NickZ> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2919>
[21:34] <cachio> Saviq, we have these error often on rolling systems
[21:35] <cachio> in opensuse we already and usign the same option
[21:35] <cachio> on tumbleweed
[21:36] <cachio> Saviq, I can try tomorrow to fix that
[22:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#2925 opened: project loader: use get_build_base() to assign plugin handler base <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2925>
[22:06] <zyga> ondra: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8113
[22:06] <mup> PR #8113: cmd/snap-confine: bring /var/lib/dhcp from host, if present <Bug> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8113>
[22:06] <mup> PR snapd#8113 opened: cmd/snap-confine: bring /var/lib/dhcp from host, if present <Bug> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8113>
[23:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#2924 closed: cli: explicitly ensure type 'snapd' is non-legacy <Created by cjp256> <Closed by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2924>


[03:23] <bkerensa> nigelb: Sorry I had to go so quickly :) I had been doing logistics for the even for ten hours and had to finish up so I could go to bed and start tomorrow :)
[03:44] <bkerensa> mhall119: do you know if Online Accounts/Shotwell integration will be fixed before release?
[03:45] <bkerensa> jono: lots of Ubuntu Users here ;)
[04:19] <nigelb> bkerensa: no worries :)
[04:20] <nigelb> bkerensa: I know that feeling :)
[04:45] <jono> bkerensa, eh?
[05:03] <jose> jono: he's at mozilla summit
[05:20] <nigelb> Indeed he is.
[05:20] <nigelb> I just met him a while back
[05:45] <jono> ahh
[07:02] <bkerensa> nigelb: crisis averted just fed 100 late arrivals and setup tax for two delayed folks from bangalore arriving at SFO :)
[07:02]  * bkerensa dives into sleep
[09:44] <AskUbuntu> where to submit feature ideas when brainstorm.ubuntu. is dead | http://askubuntu.com/q/353539
[12:01] <daker> mhall119: is this meant to be posted https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux/posts/10151849140058592 ?
[12:26] <popey> daker: anyone can post something there
[12:28] <jared> daker: interesting how the author doesn't link this graph http://is.gd/5MAh9q but rather splits them up...
[13:34] <daker> popey: anyone from ?
[13:34] <Pici> I'm from
[13:34] <popey> is that a unicode character or a question mark?
[13:35] <daker> popey: question mark
[13:35] <popey> if you  go to https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux/ do you see a box you can type in?
[13:35] <popey> (assuming you're logged into fb)
[13:37] <daker> popey: yes https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux/posts/10151850183628592
[13:37] <popey> there is your answer
[13:37] <popey> 13:26:24 < popey> daker: anyone can post something there
[13:37] <daker> but this has been post by a page admin https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux/posts/10151849140058592
[13:38] <popey> no
[13:38] <popey> well. hmm
[13:38] <daker> popey: why no :D
[13:39] <popey> i dunno
[13:41] <daker> popey: do you see something like this http://i.imgur.com/psnZOPV.png ?
[13:42] <popey> yes
[13:43] <popey> interestingly a comment was left by him too
[13:44] <daker> popey: maybe wrong account ?
[13:45] <daker> or hacked account...
[13:55] <mhall119> daker: I asked jono, he said it's one of the page's original admins
[13:56] <mhall119> bkerensa: do you have a bug # for the shotwell integration I can reference?
[14:08] <popey> daker: he is of course entitled to his opinion, and it's sparked discussion ☻
[14:09] <daker> ya i saw that, anyway just want to be sure
[14:11] <mhall119> daker: yeah, I was concerned about a possible hacked account too, but it seems legitimate
[15:00] <nigelb> mornin!
[15:00] <jono> mhall119, popey app dev call?
[15:27] <daker> cjohnston: https://summit.mozilla.org/ :)
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> jono, around?
[20:40] <balloons> hi SergioMeneses :-)
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> balloons, \o
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> how you been?
[20:42] <balloons> SergioMeneses, busy my friend. it's release season!
[20:42] <balloons> :-p
[20:42] <balloons> and yourself?
[20:43] <SergioMeneses> balloons, with a lot of work!
[20:44] <SergioMeneses> and community-work on weekends
[20:47] <jono> SergioMeneses, otp
[20:51] <SergioMeneses> ok
[22:58] <jono> upvotes please! http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1nr5uy/video_of_karma_machine_ubuntu_reddit_client_that/
[23:09] <daker> mhall119: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1nqte6/ubuntus_facebook_page_agrees_with_datamotion/


[17:40] <jrwren> what jorge has been up to: https://projectbluefin.io
[17:40] <jrwren> and it does look pretty great.
[17:46] <cmaloney> We're hoping to have him talk about it at MUG in January
[17:48] <jrwren> hrm... i wonder if he'd carpool with me.
[17:52] <cmaloney> MUG is online
[17:52] <cmaloney> no carpooling required. :)
[18:05] <jrwren> oh! I'll have to make sure to attend
[18:11] <cmaloney> Details are on the MUG site. :)


[04:30] <n3t0> sfair, \o/
[09:20] <Vorian> aloha
[09:20] <S1NGH> :)
[09:20] <useResa> S1NGH, Hi
[09:21] <S1NGH> How are you Resa?
[09:21] <useResa> Fine and you
[09:21] <S1NGH> great, all ready?
[09:21] <Vorian> we have what, 40 min?
[09:21] <useResa> Of course a hello to everyone else
[09:21] <S1NGH> yes Vorian
[09:21] <Vorian> hoe gaat het useResa?
[09:21] <Vorian> :)
[09:22] <useResa> Goed ... Nederlander?
[09:22] <Vorian> no
[09:22] <Vorian> American :)
[09:22] <useResa> Then your Dutch is very good
[09:22] <Vorian> I though everyone knew that :)
[09:22] <Vorian> the "how are you" i meant
[09:23] <Vorian> because I'm really terrible at Dutch
[09:23] <useResa> Well it's the first time I'm confronted with a Dutch greeting, but sure makes me feel welcome
[09:24] <Vorian> :)
[09:24] <S1NGH> Who's in California now?
[09:26] <bashelier> @schedule california
[09:26] <bashelier> doesn't work :/
[09:26] <bashelier> @schedule Paris
[09:26] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 21:00: Technical Board
[09:27] <Vorian> @shedule los angeles
[09:27] <bashelier> @schedule California
[09:27] <bashelier> @schedule Los angeles
[09:27] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 23 Jun 13:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 08:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 05:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 12:00: Technical Board
[09:27] <bashelier> Vorian: ^
[09:27] <bashelier> ;)
[09:27] <fernando> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[09:27] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 23 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 12:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 09:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 16:00: Technical Board
[09:27] <Vorian> if i only knew how to spell
[09:28] <bashelier> fernando: are you a candidate for next CC ? :)
[09:29] <fernando> bashelier, no =)
[09:29] <bashelier> fernando: why not ? you have uploaded severall packages :)
[09:31] <fernando> bashelier, i'm not need to be a member to help ubuntu =)
[09:32] <bashelier> fernando: I see, that's true :)
[09:32] <Vorian> fernando, but don't you want the free car?
[09:32] <Vorian> :)
[09:33] <theforkofjustice> hiya S1NGH
[09:33] <S1NGH> hiya
[09:33] <theforkofjustice> not started yet i see. good
[09:34] <S1NGH> you made it in time
[09:34] <S1NGH> 27 mins
[09:37] <useResa> theforkofjustice, hi
[09:37] <theforkofjustice> hi resa
[09:37] <theforkofjustice> S1NGH is also here
[09:37] <S1NGH> we met ^^
[09:38] <useResa> Glad you could make it.
[09:38] <theforkofjustice> ah
[09:38] <theforkofjustice> thunderstorm was a bust
[09:38] <useResa> Does this mean it is over now
[09:38] <theforkofjustice> yep
[09:39] <PriceChild> what's over?
[09:39] <useResa> theforkofjustice, S1NGH: I have visitors coming over so I may not be able to attend the entire meeting. Glad you guys are here.
[09:39] <theforkofjustice> thunderstorm in my area
[09:39] <theforkofjustice> rest assured we got this
[09:39] <S1NGH> Resa, don't worry
[09:43] <S1NGH> Atlantis finally landing eh
[09:59] <MikeB-> afternoon all
[09:59] <ubuntugeek> howdy mike
[09:59] <S1NGH> good evening Mike
[09:59] <vorian_> hello MikeB- :)
[09:59] <bapoumba> Hello MikeB- :)
[09:59] <ubuntugeek> I got a feeling its just us attending from the FC today
[09:59] <SD-Plissken> Hello MikeB-
[09:59] <theforkofjustice> hello
[10:00] <Vorian> Ok
[10:00] <useResa> hi ... good evening for me ;)
[10:00] <Vorian> Its time for another Jam Packed full o fun FC meeting!
[10:00] <Vorian> here's the agenda in no specific order
[10:00] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475469
[10:00] <ubuntugeek> great!
[10:01] <MikeB-> you think 2 out of 5 is for any anything we need to do today
[10:01] <SD-Plissken> Roll Call Vorian?
[10:01] <Vorian> who's here?
[10:01] <Vorian> ty SD-Plissken :)
[10:01] <ubuntugeek> mikeb: i think we'll be ok
[10:02] <Vorian> terrific :)
[10:02] <n3t0> ubuntugeek, pvt?
[10:02] <Vorian> First off, we have some introductions of some new staffers.
[10:02] <Vorian> hehe
[10:03] <ubuntugeek> Al-rightly lets get this train moving along.. Welcome to our new staff members partisanEntity, hymntolife, bodhi.zazen, hikaaricore and Saphira
[10:03] <Vorian> Welcome to the team guys :)
[10:03] <bapoumba> welcome everyone !
[10:03] <ubuntugeek> glad to have you on the team..
[10:04] <ubuntugeek>  /start watches the tumble weeds.. /end
[10:04] <Vorian> lol
[10:04] <Vorian> ok then
[10:04] <ubuntugeek> heh
[10:04] <SD-Plissken> Who's on first?
[10:05] <Vorian> HymnToLife is the only one here right now
[10:05] <theforkofjustice> What's on second
[10:05] <Vorian> next up
[10:05] <Vorian> Forum Code of conduct change
[10:05] <Vorian> Amend the document to include a statement about duplicate accounts. Duplicate accounts should be merged with the original account.
[10:05] <Vorian> ubuntugeek
[10:05] <ubuntugeek> Yep
[10:06] <ubuntugeek> People dislike our no name change policy and then create duplicate accounts. We should merge the new accounts with their old ones, we got rules for a reason.
[10:06] <ubuntugeek> +1 from me
[10:06] <MikeB-> +1 here
[10:06] <bapoumba> +1
[10:06] <Vorian> +1
[10:06] <HymnToLife> that's even more work for us, bapoumba will not be happy
[10:06] <SD-Plissken> +1 for merging dup accounts.
[10:06] <HymnToLife> but +a too
[10:06] <HymnToLife> err, 1
[10:06] <bapoumba> HymnToLife, eh eh :)
[10:07] <SD-Plissken> Do we notify members of the merging?
[10:07] <bapoumba> HymnToLife, that's work for the admins ;)
[10:07] <ubuntugeek> heh well its probably a rare occasion we will catch them, normally its the trouble makers and it becomes pretty apparent..
[10:07] <bapoumba> ubuntugeek, sometime members do it to change their forums nick
[10:08] <bapoumba> because they want a new one
[10:08] <gnomefreak> some of us dont remember how many accounts we have set up :(
[10:08] <SD-Plissken> Sounds like a BS excuse
[10:09] <HymnToLife> well, since creating a new account is obviously against the rules, just delete the new one
[10:09] <HymnToLife> and warn the old :p
[10:09] <gnomefreak> SD-Plissken: no really in last 4 years i dont remember
[10:09] <ubuntugeek> Yeah.  we don't allow them to change their nick. It makes it harder to track down issues.
[10:09] <gnomefreak> <<< should be the only one but really dont remember
[10:10] <ubuntugeek> I think it will be on a case-by-case unless I decide to purge the user database someday :)
[10:10] <bapoumba> gnomefreak, the only time we check is for trouble makers, or when users ask for a nick change, and create a new one
[10:10] <ubuntugeek> anyways..
[10:10] <gnomefreak> bapoumba: ah ok ty
[10:10] <SD-Plissken> Well if you get a notice saying your accounts been merged then you know you have more then one gnomefreak. lol
[10:10] <ubuntugeek> :)
[10:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:10] <Vorian> OK
[10:10] <Vorian> LFC folks
[10:11] <Vorian> you are up
[10:11] <Vorian> Linux for Clinics has requested to have their forum section re-opened
[10:11] <HymnToLife> well
[10:11] <SD-Plissken> Why?
[10:11] <HymnToLife> why was it closed in the fisrt place ?
[10:11] <PriceChild> don't you already have one elsewhere?
[10:11] <SD-Plissken> Why do they want it open again?
[10:11] <theforkofjustice> nope old one is gone for good
[10:11] <theforkofjustice> the UF one will be our permanent official one
[10:11] <SD-Plissken> And what is the proof that it will stay that way?
[10:12] <useResa> Our request can be reread here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=462233
[10:12] <ubuntugeek> MikeB?
[10:12] <theforkofjustice> the fact that it's a pain to moderate our own
[10:12] <MikeB-> my only question is Linux for Clinics a pure ubuntu project?
[10:12] <useResa> We can not provide proof in advance, but we have learned our lesson :(
[10:12] <S1NGH> yes
[10:12] <MikeB-> or a Linux in general project
[10:12] <theforkofjustice> forum software is vulnerable to hacks
[10:12] <ubuntugeek> I also have concern that some of the members of the LFC don't exactly have a good record on the UF
[10:13] <theforkofjustice> it's wholly based on ubuntu
[10:13] <theforkofjustice> who are the troublemakers uG
[10:13] <useResa> Could you be more specific on the members, we have a very small (core) team left
[10:13] <ubuntugeek> BigDave?
[10:13] <theforkofjustice> tsk. dave dave dave
[10:14] <theforkofjustice> he frustrated the ones at xmod too
[10:14] <SD-Plissken> All it takes is one so that saying goes
[10:14] <theforkofjustice> he's not a major part of the project
[10:14] <theforkofjustice> more like a hanger-on that help out
[10:15] <theforkofjustice> i'm pretty certain he has not signed up to do anything
[10:15] <theforkofjustice> he originally joined as a forum mod only to make his own form of mod-free forum
[10:15] <useResa> The thing is we can not speak for him, all we can do is ask him to behave when and if he represents the project
[10:15] <theforkofjustice> although he really wants to participate i'm not sure what good he is
[10:16] <ubuntugeek> I am just curious, why should we reconsider allowing your forum to be hosted again when you posted pages of hate  on mod-free when we changed our 3rd party policy?
[10:16] <theforkofjustice> he's not a project admin thats for certain
[10:16] <useResa> I think it is fair to say that the members currently attending did not do such thing.
[10:17] <MikeB-> I'm ok in re-opening the LFc section, but would like to see how thing go before allowing any LFC to mod that area
[10:17] <useResa> I think the current people attending are also the ones that actually care for the project and want it to succeed
[10:17] <theforkofjustice> hate?  frustration certainly. we've had to go through this process once already
[10:17] <Vorian> Who is actively involved with the project useResa?
[10:17] <ubuntugeek> I am -1 on this one.
[10:18] <SD-Plissken> MikeB- I say give them a 90day trial run at it.
[10:18] <SD-Plissken> UG 90days
[10:18] <useResa> Actively are currently theforkofjustice S1NGH myself and dhalgren (but for him it is the middle of the night now)
[10:18] <MikeB-> SD-Plissken, sounds like a fair idea +1 here
[10:18] <ubuntugeek> -1
[10:18] <ubuntugeek> I can't agree to it based on previous issues with this group.
[10:19] <useResa> MikeB-, I fully support your suggestion of not letting us mod
[10:19] <theforkofjustice> i'm also interested in what chaos has caused this bad blood between us
[10:19] <useResa> ubuntugeek, people change ... members change ... sometimes I think one should be able to forget the past and give new people a chance
[10:19] <ubuntugeek> My suggestion would be that we bring this up at the next FC meeting when more FC members are present.
[10:20] <theforkofjustice> i'd like to see what broods. i don't like our project being besmirched
[10:20] <Vorian> at this point its a tie, without more FC members there cannot be a resolution.
[10:20] <Vorian> ubuntugeek I'll add it to next months agenda
[10:20] <ubuntugeek> ok
[10:21] <useResa> Could someone please indicate what our project can do to take away the bad feelings that obviously exist?
[10:21] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:21] <MikeB-> is that ok with the LFC folks for now
[10:22] <theforkofjustice> can you provide me with links to the posts that caused the caution regarding LFC. I want to nip this
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <theforkofjustice> (not now but certainly sometime soon)
[10:22] <useResa> Well ... it is not what we hoped for ... but as theforkofjustice also indicated ... what can we do to change the feeling?
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <HymnToLife> huh ?
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> oops
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> not sure what happened there :S
[10:23] <ubuntugeek> sorry
[10:23] <MikeB-> lol
[10:23] <Vorian> hehe
[10:23] <bapoumba_> we're all getting older, oneday ;)
[10:23] <useResa> well you made your point :D ... and yes please
[10:23] <theforkofjustice> itchy trigger finger :)
[10:23] <ubuntugeek> Anyways, if you want we can send a ping out to the FC mailing list or we can simple wait until next month. I am not comfortable without more FC weighing in on this.
[10:24] <S1NGH> UG, we can understand what might have happened with your and previous members of Ubuntu Forums and the LFC project, but along with time people do change, and as theforkofjustice indicated, BigDave isn't really fully on the LFC project
[10:24] <theforkofjustice> yes. please expedite
[10:24] <ubuntugeek> Ok
[10:24] <ubuntugeek> I will send out an email
[10:24] <useResa> Since our posts ran of the screen quickly ... if there is anything we can do to take away the bad feeling that exists ... please let us know
[10:25] <ubuntugeek> email sent to the list, i'll let vorian know and he can update the meeting notes when a conclusion is made
[10:25] <Vorian> ok
[10:26] <S1NGH> We have had many delays with the project with past situations/issues, it would be greatly appreciated by the LFC staff if we could amicably resolve any issues arising with us asap
[10:26] <theforkofjustice> and do let us know about run ins that rub you the wrong way
[10:26] <useResa> Just for my information ... is the decision then final our can we react to the decision?
[10:26] <useResa> error ... our should be or
[10:27] <theforkofjustice> i get a creepy feeling that dave has been responsible for most of those ill feelings
[10:27] <ubuntugeek> If you wanted to press the issue you could at the next FC meeting if its denied.
[10:27] <PriceChild> theforkofjustice, not just bigdave
[10:27] <useResa> Thank you for informing
[10:28] <S1NGH> btw: who are the other "troublemakers"
[10:28] <useResa> One of us as well?  That is theforkofjustice, S1NGH  or myself
[10:28] <theforkofjustice> i remember asking for some minimal mod powers but not much else
[10:29] <ubuntugeek> resa: just curious are richbarana and rattleviper part of your project?
[10:30] <theforkofjustice> rattlerviper (charlie) isnt any longer. rich was never a part
[10:30] <useResa> No, neither of them. Rattlerviper has disappeared and Rich never was
[10:30] <useResa> theforkofjustice, types faster obviously
[10:30] <bapoumba_> brb
[10:30] <theforkofjustice> booyah :)
[10:32] <Vorian> anything else w/ LFC?
[10:32] <theforkofjustice> anything?  just the forum.  only reason why were here :)
[10:32] <Vorian> :)
[10:32] <ubuntugeek> Ok lets move on
[10:32] <Vorian> theforkofjustice, resolution is forthcoming
[10:32] <Vorian> :)
[10:32] <Vorian> ok SD-Plissken you are up!
[10:33] <SD-Plissken> I'm up
[10:33] <Vorian> MythTV
[10:33] <SD-Plissken> I was only asked to put that on the list that is not project.
[10:33] <Vorian> of
[10:33] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470328
[10:33] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470328
[10:34] <Vorian> MythTV sub forum
[10:34] <SD-Plissken> Personally I see no issue with the request, as they have no forums of their own
[10:34] <ubuntugeek> It looks like a derivative of ubuntu. Is anyone form that team here?
[10:34] <ubuntugeek> http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[10:35] <ubuntugeek> form=from
[10:35] <SD-Plissken> i feel we should defer it till superm1 can make a showing.
[10:35] <Vorian> ok then
[10:35] <Vorian> moved to July
[10:35] <MikeB-> mythbuntu was officially approved at the last CC meeting
[10:35] <ubuntugeek> Mikeb: OK then I am ok with it, that was my question +1
[10:36] <Vorian> or not :)
[10:36] <SD-Plissken> I must have missed that.
[10:36] <MikeB-> +1 here  also, if they wanted one
[10:36] <SD-Plissken> +1
[10:36] <bapoumba> +1
[10:36] <ubuntugeek> ok great.. I'll get it setup
[10:36] <Vorian> nice
[10:37] <Vorian> quick and easy
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> ok great.. I'll get it setup
[10:37] <SD-Plissken> Not always
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> ok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setup
[10:37] <HymnToLife> ow
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> bah
[10:37] <SD-Plissken> UG your keyboard busted.
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> i think my laptop is overheating :)
[10:37] <MikeB-> or too much caffeine
[10:37] <Vorian> last topic
[10:37] <HymnToLife> or beer :p
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> hah
[10:37] <bapoumba> overheating is bad ...
[10:38] <ubuntugeek> I'm at work, drinking isnt allowed
[10:38] <ubuntugeek> :)
[10:38] <ubuntugeek> Anyways
[10:38] <Vorian> ForumCouncil Q&A
[10:38] <Vorian> The last hour or so reserved for an open Q&A session of the Forum Council.
[10:39] <SD-Plissken> Wow we underlings get to hammer the FC with questions
[10:39] <SD-Plissken> lol
[10:39] <ubuntugeek> I'll make a few statements..
[10:39] <ubuntugeek> I have officially removed myself from the lifetime seat on the FC and will serve the same term as the others on the team.
[10:40] <MikeB-> UG: should we change the forum governance wiki page to reflect that
[10:41] <bapoumba> may I have a question ?
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> Also, all forum assets domains, vbulletin licenses and data have been transferred to canonical.
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> Mikeb: yes we should
[10:41] <MikeB-> bapoumba, sure
[10:41] <MikeB-> ubuntugeek, I will do that later
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> Ok
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> thanks
[10:41] <bapoumba> are all members from all ubuntu councils on 2 years term ?
[10:42] <ubuntugeek> Bapoumba, yes
[10:42] <MikeB-> bapoumba, tech board is 1 year
[10:42] <bapoumba> ok thanks :)
[10:42] <ubuntugeek> They can serv more if re-elected if they wish.
[10:42] <bapoumba> cool
[10:42] <PriceChild> IRC Council will be 2 years when its created (hopefully) in a few days/weeks
[10:42] <SD-Plissken> Who runs that?
[10:43] <PriceChild> SD-Plissken, is that in my direction?
[10:43] <SD-Plissken> Of course
[10:43] <PriceChild> It will be seve.as, nal.ioth, lj.l, elk.buntu & me if no-one has any problems with that...
[10:44] <SD-Plissken> Oh
[10:44] <PriceChild> although I think sev.eas will be wanting to drop out after about 6 months or so...
[10:44] <PriceChild> but anyway back to the FC meeting :)
[10:44] <bapoumba> congrats Pricey :)
[10:45] <SD-Plissken> What purpose will it serve.
[10:45] <PriceChild> SD-Plissken, -> pm so as not to hijack this any longer
[10:46] <MikeB-> any other question/comments for the FC
[10:47] <ubuntugeek_> ..
[10:47] <bapoumba> happened to me earlier ...
[10:48] <Vorian> wb
[10:48] <ubuntugeek_> Anything else we need to discuss?
[10:48] <Vorian> nothing on the agenda
[10:48] <ubuntugeek_> anyone have anything else thats not on the agenda?
[10:48] <MikeB-> looks like we are good
[10:49] <bapoumba> fine with me
[10:49] <Vorian> thanks everyone
[10:49] <ubuntugeek_> mike you get my msg?
[10:49] <MikeB-> the email yes
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> on irc?
[10:50] <MikeB-> nope
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> weird
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> :S
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> get that one?
[10:51] <MikeB-> ubuntu-geek, no, very weird
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> ah because you have a -
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> in your username its being denied
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> and i had the _
[10:51] <MikeB-> :)
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> any well no worries..
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> bye all
[10:52] <ubuntu-geek> geesh i cant even type today
[10:52] <useResa> bye and thank you for listening
[10:52] <S1NGH> cya later UG :)
[10:52] <MikeB-> thanks all for coming
[10:52] <ubuntu-geek> see ya.. 24 hours the other FC should weigh in resa
[10:53] <useResa> Thank you ... will we be informed by PM or should we just check the minutes?
[10:53] <MikeB-> useResa, I will send e-mail
[10:54] <useResa> Thank you ... much appreciated
[10:54] <bapoumba> bye everyone
[10:54] <MikeB-> later all
[10:54] <useResa> Bye
[10:57] <theforkofjustice> hmm...i missed the goodbyes :(
[10:57] <theforkofjustice> well GOODBYE :D
[11:22] <PartisanEntity> hello everyone
[11:29] <hikaricore> hiya


[00:09] <Myrtti> oli metsässä nuotiopiiri
[09:11] <Pricey> Lots of emergencies in here recently.
[09:24] <elky> surely you remember hfsplus?
[09:25] <elky> If not, consider this your reintroduction.
[11:01] <Ben64> well, ops have been called, i was gonna say theres 4 clones of a guy
[11:04] <k1l_> seem like there is a party in a computer room in a german school
[11:04] <DJones> Thats all 4 gone anyway
 upgrade my ram runs faster now
[11:58] <bazhang> Ben64, the edu__ ?
[11:58] <Ben64> yeah :D
[11:58] <Ben64> not about ram
[11:58] <bazhang> thanks
[11:58] <Ben64> not sure if its malicious, as i've seen a couple in here the other day with no incident
[11:59] <bazhang> yep
[11:59] <Ben64> i'm kind of surprised freenode allows so many connections
[12:30] <knome> +is
[12:30] <knome> err, wrong channel
[19:11] <Myrtti> well that went well
[19:11] <bazhang> whoa rude
[19:13] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu  [Jimster480-L] (~jimster48@<IP_ADDRESS>): Jimster480-L continual offtopic , very rude parting comment
 bekks, i create a hostpot in my machine to conect whit a noters cumputer , but i want to hide that wirles ?
[19:29] <jbroome> "I create a hotspot in my machine to connet with anothers' computer, but I want to hide that wireless"
[19:29] <bazhang> heh yeah I know
[19:29] <Myrtti> innit great
[19:45] <bazhang> almost as good as the minecraft troll
[19:46] <jbroome> i'm a sparklemagic+q pony
[19:46] <bazhang> hehe
[19:46] <bazhang> first in #k now in #freenode
[19:47] <bazhang> BronySXiYL]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:47] <bazhang> that particular address is very familiar
[19:47] <jbroome> like creamy familiar
[20:56] <DJones> I've set a banforward on greybott to ##fix_you_connection after seeing them in/out of the channel with max sendq exceeded for about 4 hrs earlier today, just started again with the same thing, if they appear and want the ban removing its fine to remove
[21:00] <bin_bash> hello, I would like to find out why I'm banned from #ubuntu
[21:01] <IdleOne> give me a momment
[21:03] <IdleOne> ok.
[21:03] <IdleOne> The reason you were banned is because you had a very bad attitude and you called someone a failed abortion, from what I see in the channel log you did that twice.
[21:04] <bin_bash> how long is the ban for?
[21:04] <IdleOne> there is no time limit
[21:04] <bin_bash> it's a permanent ban?
[21:04] <bin_bash> what
[21:04] <bin_bash> really?
[21:05] <IdleOne> bans don't have a set limit.
[21:05] <bin_bash> oh
[21:05] <bin_bash> other channels I've been in usually use a timed ban.
[21:05] <bin_bash> Can I be unbanned?
[21:05] <IdleOne> I need you to read a couple of things first.
[21:06] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[21:06] <IdleOne> !codeofconduct
[21:06] <bin_bash> ok
[21:07] <IdleOne> if you could read the !guidelines and !codeofconduct, let me know if you have any questions about them, and if you agree to follow those !guidelines.
[21:07] <ikonia> IdleOne: to be honest, I don't see why this guy needs to be in any ubuntu channel
[21:07] <ikonia> IdleOne: every channe he's in he's rude and offensive
[21:08] <ikonia> he clearly knows what he's doing
[21:08] <ikonia> and it's tedious
[21:08] <bin_bash> ikonia, that's not accurate at all.
[21:09] <ikonia> maybe not, but I'm giving IdleOne my perception
[21:11] <bin_bash> IdleOne, seems pretty straight forward.
[21:11] <IdleOne> bin_bash: I'm not going to keep you here longer then needed. I wasn't keen on removing the ban in the first place. other ops have expressed the same opinion.
[21:11] <IdleOne> At this time, the ban will not be removed.
[21:12] <bin_bash> So, it's going to be a permanent ban even though I just read through the whole guidelines thing and have agreed to follow it?
[21:12] <IdleOne> well the guidelines apply to all ubuntu* channels, so it wasn't a total waste of time.
[21:12] <bin_bash> It was if I'm banned.
[21:13] <IdleOne> if you want to come back in 30 days we can then see if your attitude towards other users has changed.
[21:13] <bin_bash> ...
[21:13] <bin_bash> But how can that even happen if I'm banned
[21:13] <bin_bash> it doesn't make sense
[21:14] <IdleOne> you are in #ubuntu-offtopic, your behaviour there may help get the ban in #ubuntu removed.
[21:14] <ikonia> bin_bash: what do you actually want to use #ubuntu for ?
[21:14] <IdleOne> the guidelines apply to ALL ubuntu irc channels
[21:16] <IdleOne> So, I am done here. Please remember to /part this channel ASAP. have a great day.
[21:16] <bin_bash> ikonia, helping people
[21:16] <bin_bash> ikonia, I enjoy helping people figure out their linux issues quickly and efficiently
[21:17] <ikonia> bin_bash: ok - if you want to help people why are you constantly calling them names and asking why people are so stupid
[21:17] <bin_bash> ikonia, I haven't been in the channel in 2 months.
[21:17] <ikonia> 1.) you have 2.) that isn't what I asked
[21:17] <ikonia> I asked why you join a help channel to help people, then call them instulting names and ask why the channel is stupid
[21:18] <bin_bash> ikonia, I haven't ever said "why is this channel stupid"
[21:18] <ikonia> bin_bash: you have
[21:19] <bin_bash> logs?
[21:19] <ikonia> 2013-02-08T04:43:01 <bin_bash> is it stupid night every night in here?
[21:19] <ikonia> !logs | bin_bash
[21:21] <bin_bash> ikonia, I didn't realize that joking around wasn't allowed.
[21:22] <ikonia> really...so you where joking
[21:22] <ikonia> after you shouted at the user you where trying to help
[21:22] <ikonia> 2013-02-08T04:42:54 <bin_bash> `ingsoc, ADD THE DNS SERVERS TO THE EMPTY FILE
[21:22] <ikonia> 2013-02-08T04:42:56 <bin_bash> OH MY GOD.
[21:23] <ikonia> anyway, I've made my feelings about your contributions to the channel
[21:23] <ikonia> maybe worth you reading the logs to see how you come across as very rude and offensive
[21:26] <bin_bash> ikonia, i think maybe some people are jsut sensitive? I've actually helped a lot of people, and have had people PM me exclusively for help.
[21:26] <ikonia> well, you may want to use a channel that isn't as sensitive, if you enjoy helping there are many other linux channels that require help, although all that I'm aware of will not tollerate your form of help.
[21:27] <ikonia> maybe better tyring to use one of those instead of #ubuntu
[21:28] <bin_bash> okayyy
[21:28] <ikonia> thanks,
[21:28] <ikonia> good luck finding a channel better suited to your needs.
[21:29] <bin_bash> so, pretty much i'll never be unbanned
[21:29] <ikonia> please /part this channel
[21:29] <ikonia> well, not while you participate in the way you do


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 you can use the built in one
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 These scams are shit
 Please go away and come back with the potato one
 (Photo, 232x22) https://irc.ubports.com/NEfDCN0G.png lmfao
 To whichever mod deleted that, thanks :)
 Is anyone selling a Nexus 5?
 @Sam Hanna [Does anyone know a terminal that works on libertine?], there's a libertine command to enter inside the container from the built in terminal app if I'm not mistaken
 `libertine-launch bash`
 Or you can install mate terminal. This used to work in my case.
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[05:23] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> The only one I could get working was lxterminal, but there was some
[05:23] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> @dohbee [libertine-launch bash], Ok. Good to know. Thanks.
[05:24] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> I was only was able to get lxterminal working, but there some graphic issues.
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 @Justine Smithies [I noticed an issue with Dev 47 haven't tested yet with 48. But if I leave the ph …], Same observations. It seems that phone is not charging when you put it to sleep.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/VI3mC3bh.png
 Any idea why ubuntulistview shows listitem separators randomly?
 Is it due variable item height
 Sorry if this is a FAQ.  I ordered a pine phone a couple of months ago.  Is there a way to find out when or if it’s shipping?
 you can hide them with `divider.visible` but I think it's a bug in the toolkit. I observed that as well, it's pretty random
 BTW, that's for `ListItem` is you use it. Can't remember if there's a property for `UbuntuListView`
 @thosmos [Sorry if this is a FAQ.  I ordered a pine phone a couple of months ago.  Is ther …], You should check pine64.org site (and forum). Today (15th) there will be a monthly blog update with more information.
 @Javacookies [you can hide them with divider.visible but I think it's a bug in the toolkit. I …], That was it, looks better without. Thanks!
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[11:29] <ubptgbot> <Rohit Bokade> Hello, Myself Rohit Bokade alias Mr.Mechanic. … I am a final year i.t. Engineering undergrad from India. I along with some of my friends am very excited about Ubuntu Touch. … We have formed a group and are interested in starting to port UT for most common android phones used by common people in India to make UT accessible as a choice
[11:29] <ubptgbot>  to masses. Right now we are looking forward to start with MiA1 and OnePlus 2 whichare the phones that we have as spare in our group and are also very common ones in India. … However, we don't have a lot of experience in this. Thus we have a request that, if possible for some senior developer, then we can have an online webinar sort of thing where
[11:29] <ubptgbot> I can invite even more students and the developer could port UT to one of the device live. This will increase interest in UT and also we will have a preliminary knowledge of getting started. We may also record the webinar and stream it on YouTube to let future joinees know where to start
[11:30] <ubptgbot> <Rohit Bokade> Please help us out in gettin student community here active in such developments. I am optimistic once Indian student community it activated in development, UT will see a rise in use here in India
 There is such a video on YouTube already, btw
[11:32] <poVoq> sadly this IRC chat isn't properly linked to the Telegram groups anymore. But the Telegram groups are where you will find most of the experienced device porters. you can try on the #halium channel though
 The person is on telegram. :)
[11:34] <ubptgbot> <Rohit Bokade> @dohbee [There is such a video on YouTube already, btw], Yeah, I have the link for it sent by someone. Will look into it. But something live specially for students targetting them to get involved will be very helpful I guess
 And yes, you should join @halium
 @mymike00 [if you want them, you may have to do height: <id of the item inside>.height + di …], Code if interested. It is pretty messy still as I'm trying to port SailfishOS app, https://gitlab.com/tabasko/sailhn-ubports . Any feedback is appreciated
 Hmm that's interesting
 @jonikurunsaari [Code if interested. It is pretty messy still as I'm trying to port SailfishOS ap …], thanks I'll may have a look at it! anyway for app development this group is more appropriate https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 Last I heard there were Bluetooth issues. Have those been resolved? If not what are the issues exactly?
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 @Rohit Bokade [Hello, Myself Rohit Bokade alias Mr.Mechanic. … I am a final year i.t. Engineering …], A Oneplus 2 port is already in progress, you might want to jump on this first to help the current porter who has limited time.
[13:43] <ubptgbot> <Rohit Bokade> @Flohack [A Oneplus 2 port is already in progress, you might want to jump on this first to …], Is he in the group... Can I ping him on dm
 @Rohit Bokade [Is he in the group... Can I ping him on dm], No he seems not to be here, I will forward your details
[13:59] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> @dohbee [libertine-launch bash], It says "DISPLAY environment variable not set"
 @Rohit Bokade [Is he in the group... Can I ping him on dm], Please make a username for Telegram ^^
 Did you try … $ DISPLAY=":0" command
 mrmechanic3000
[14:03] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> @TigranKhachatryan [Did you try … $ DISPLAY=":0" command], It still says the same thing
[14:03] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> After entering that command
 Hm
 What are you trying to do anyway??
[14:05] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> I was trying to see if I can terminal apps through the container.
 Hm okay I'm not into that
 Hello?
 Is there any vm image for entire build system?
 I mean of porting setup, including all the packages that need to be downloaded before starting
 @Sam Hanna [It says "DISPLAY environment variable not set"], ignore that
 @Sam Hanna [I was trying to see if I can terminal apps through the container.], yes, you can
 @Cameron [Last I heard there were Bluetooth issues. Have those been resolved? If not what …], you'll need to be more specific
 I read in the feature log a month ago that Bluetooth would randomly disconnect. I'm simply asking if it's issues are resolved and if in general, is Bluetooth connectivity reliable on Ubuntu touch now? Specifically on the pinephone
 no, there are still issues. for pinephone specific issues you might want to follow the gitlab issues page, or the link in the pinned message
 (TBQH there are bluetooth issues on all platforms)
 @dohbee [(TBQH there are bluetooth issues on all platforms)], Is there an rss feed I can follow regarding pinephone ubports developments/fixes?
[14:55] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> @dohbee [ignore that], Nevermind. I figures it out. I miss read the documentation.
 (Photo, 248x479) https://irc.ubports.com/g86hcoCB.png
 @anvil30november [<reply to media>], you can send the log to pastebin using the app 😉
 lol on the pinphone im missing some icons and such - well then!
 also, please don't post screenshots of your message containing a screenshot, from another group :)
 @anvil30november [lol on the pinphone im missing some icons and such - well then!], devel channel is for developments so it's expected to have issues 😄
 the issue happens in stable too
 @dohbee [also, please don't post screenshots of your message containing a screenshot, fro …], why?
 @Javacookies [devel channel is for developments so it's expected to have issues 😄], im giving a log to try and help.. as this is affecting multiple t mobile users on different channels … isnt that what logs are for?
 @anvil30november [why?], because screenshots aren't accessible for one, and because one can't copy any text if need be, and because you're cross-posting which makes things difficult for others to reply to you
 @dohbee [because screenshots aren't accessible for one, and because one can't copy any te …], fair enough - do you want the pastebin link, or all of the text dropped into here?
 please use a pastebin for logs
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RPYZRpWf8x/
 or attach to an issue report on gitlab
 @anvil30november [the issue happens in stable too], you mean the tmobile issue? because the others issue you mentioned isn't in stable
 @Javacookies [you mean the tmobile issue? because the others issue you mentioned isn't in stab …], I promise you that outgoing calls were not working when I was on stable.
 this was version 2 for pinephone
 ok
 @anvil30november [I promise you that outgoing calls were not working when I was on stable.], I'm not saying it's not. I'm pertaining to the missing icons and such.
 It's best if you log an issue in gitlab and attach yoir log.
 well it's clear now, let's not fight about it please
 @Javacookies [I'm not saying it's not. I'm pertaining to the missing icons and such.], ok, i miss read your message - my bad
 no ones fighting. Just clearing things out 😄
 agreed … im still finishing my first pot of coffee - i am sorry for being frustrated lol
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[16:58] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> I'm able to access the shell as a user in libertine. Is there a to give sudo privileges without switching to root user?
 Depending on your desired outcome, the information on this page may help avoid needing to install sudo in the container: http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @Sam Hanna [I'm able to access the shell as a user in libertine. Is there a to give sudo pri …], no, sudo can't work with proot unfortunately
[17:01] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> Ok. That's what I thought.
 do not install sudo, and you'll need to use the separate command to run shell as root
[17:04] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> I have
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 Does Ubuntu touch still not support VoLTE?
 if the baseband modem and your network support it, i guess it works. there is not userspace support for disabling or modifying internal radio properties though, and no ugly icon to say volte in the network indicator
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 hello again!
 i have recieves today the new pinephone ubports edition
 but after installing candidate version 2, it only works wifi :S
 and I see duplicated channels for updates
 i suggest reading the pinned message here :)
 @asierurbi [but after installing candidate version 2, it only works wifi :S], change to dev channel for updates
 👍👍👍
 @Daveskywalker69 [change to dev channel for updates], thanks but i see several dev channels and anothers called edge, are they different?
 @dohbee [i suggest reading the pinned message here :)], thanks! i did not see it sorry
 @asierurbi [thanks but i see several dev channels and anothers called edge, are they differe …], well if you want updates just pick first development in the list but be sure you know how to reflash images because it's called development for a reason, it can break from time to time especially on the pinephone because the development is
[18:32] <ubptgbot>  very active there
 great! thanks!
 installing dev 😊
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0AACG90S.png
 Are you porting it?
 Did you create display config?
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 What is that device I don't even understand what is going on
 @TigranKhachatryan [What is that device I don't even understand what is going on], who are you talking to?
 You
 Oh I didn't read previous messages let me check those
 @TigranKhachatryan [Did you create display config?], i just used tweak tool thats in the app store
 and turned it to dark mode
 lol
 originally went in there to fix the ui from being tiny since someone said to set scaling to 8 and it'd be back to normal, but it didnt help 🙁
 indeed it won't, and that would make it even smaller
 @Daveskywalker69 [i just used tweak tool thats in the app store], I was talking about the configuration file which needs to be created if you are using a community port which doesn't have it yet
 Sometimes but usually it does, I didn't recognize the phone in the photo
 @dohbee [indeed it won't, and that would make it even smaller], is there actually a fix so i dont feel 90 years old looking at my phone? lol
 switch back to stable
 or wait until the issue is fixed in devel
 Wait
 Don't surrender that fast
 or find and fix the bug yourself and make a pull request
 Open terminal
 Write
 $ ls /etc/ubuntu-touch-session.d/
 Output?
 @TigranKhachatryan [Sometimes but usually it does, I didn't recognize the phone in the photo], no, this is an issue specific to the pinephone
 it's a problem with the devel channel update
 Oh
 That's a weird issue hmm
 yes, it only affects the shell, not the apps
 It also only occurs when launched under the user session
 Which, for all intents and purposes, is the only way it should be launched
 But whyyy
 code gremlins
 Did it work before?
 yes
 And I know what changed, but not why it would break this, nor why it'd only break it on the pinephone
 Today it doesn't, windows Linux is like that
 I am not a developer or anything, but when I have computer issues, I usually revert and if it still doesn't work redo what I did and revert another thing
 Until it works
 Unfortunately the "go back" path is more complex than the "fix this" one
 Oh
 Maybe that's because "go back" is a known quantity, but it won't really help anyway
 what changed?
 Mir was upgraded to 1.8.0. QtMir was rebuilt for this change.
 ah
 QtMir was also rebuilt to integrate https://github.com/ubports/qtmir/pull/55
 mir was upgraded on all devices, or only pine?
 All edge and descendents
 so I can use the new mir if I switch to edge?
 Sure
 cool, Im still waiting on wayland for all devices
 On the pinephone, how do I mount it as usb storage?
 I want to transfer music over
 Also, ota 49 broke the text size
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Kl9FSK09.png
 Also, icons on the keyboard aren't showing up
 @Qiangong2 [On the pinephone, how do I mount it as usb storage?], Better to use scp for file transfer or a sd card
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 @NotKit [Which device in particular?], Mi10 … Mi9 … Redmi K20 … Redmi 4A/5A … Redmi Note 5 … Redmi 5+ … Mi8 … Mi7 … Poco F1 … Mi A-series (android one) … @NotKit
 I've seen someone working on Poco F1, Redmi Note 5 and Redmi K20
 search in Halium group logs
 #Ask … Is UBPorts have Android App emulation support?
 anbox is very experimental. it's also not emulation
 Quick question, how would one go about switching desktop environments from Lomiri to Phosh on Ubuntu Touch?
 Pls someone should work on redmi 7 port
 @Comrade_Nora [Quick question, how would one go about switching desktop environments from Lomir …], You make a Linux distribution with phosh and it doesn't involve Ubuntu Touch at all. :)
 But how would I get it working on the Nexus 5? I was only ever able to get Ubuntu Touch working with near 100% compatibility
 Yes, that is the challenge isn't it... That's why it hasn't been done.
 I'm not trying to be snarky, it's just not easy and hard to say what the requirements are
 Because it won't be as easy as choosing a different desktop in the greeter, and to make it like that would probably be harder than making a new distribution.
 @Comrade_Nora [But how would I get it working on the Nexus 5? I was only ever able to get Ubunt …], you will have to work with phosh developers to make gtk+ things work on top of hybris and such, to use it on halium
 Oh dear
 That's a shame. It's not even currently possible to get a Pinephone. :/
 It is, but the people selling them are charging outrageous prices because the fact more people can't get them
 @Daveskywalker69 [It is, but the people selling them are charging outrageous prices because the fa …], Precisely
 It's still not a daily driver anyways, with any distro
 Getting CLOSE but not quite there
 I was able to get PostmarketOS *kinda* working on the Nexus 5, but due to using the mainline kernel, audio is broken
 And then there's Plasma Mobile Neon
 Which flat-out doesn't work
 ok, but it's a bit off topic for here :)
 Fair enough
 Seeya later