[12:00] <TheCan> i just installed sshd, is there a way not to have the server running by default?
[12:00] <zenpod> seemen, dpkg -i package.deb
[12:00] <ogra> seemen: sudo dpkg -i <program.deb>
[12:00] <seemen> thanks
[12:00] <TheCan> dpkg-reconfigure doesnt help really
[12:01] <Myke> oh my...
[12:01] <visor> TheCan: unset the x (eXecutable) bit from the /etc/init.d/sshd file
[12:01] <pmfp> visor: that's pretty rough
[12:01] <Myke> just had a phone call from my firlfriend... she didn't stop talking on the phone...
[12:01] <Myke> i had to lie and tell her i'm working hard right now :p
[12:01] <visor> pmfp: a better solution then would be...?
[12:02] <ogra> TheCan: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S??sshd
[12:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hum... I still getting I have 2 users
[12:02] <zenpod> Myke, lying is bad, mmkay ;)
[12:02] <newtolinux_> pfmp: ps -aux | grep ftp reutns nothing
[12:02] <TheCan> visor, ogra: and i still will be able to run it manually then?
[12:03] <ogra> TheCan: with my method .... yes
[12:03] <pmfp> visor: dpkg-reconfigure ssh and say no to starting it automatically, second question that pops up if I don't remember incorrectly
[12:03] <Myke> melazyboy: in sid and ubuntu you have packages with diferent versions orders... so, you can end up updating to a older version.. and that's, not talking about that the two packs were compiled by diferent groups for diferent systems... so, one pack or two can be ok... system wide mixing of the two, probably ends up with some trouble
[12:03] <visor> TheCan: yes, as long as you do something like "sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start"
[12:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> I know it isnt a big deal but I wonder why do it says I have 2 users
[12:03] <pmfp> TheCan: don't remove /etc/init.d/sshd
[12:04] <ogra> TheCan: remove the link in /etc/rc2.d
[12:04] <Myke> _|Imanewbie|_: one user is your graphic login, plus one user for you shell...
[12:04] <pmfp> TheCan: run dpkg-reconfigure ssh and answer right to the second (?) question... you'll see
[12:04] <newtolinux_> pmfp: im sure my ftp is running yet i tried the thingsid wany resultithout  you sa
[12:04] <TheCan> pmfp, dpkg-reconfigure ssh has no effect for me :/
[12:04] <Myke> more command lines, more users
[12:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> Myke: thanks!
[12:04] <Myke> you can see that by typing: who
[12:04] <pmfp> TheCan: did you see the question for it?
[12:04] <TheCan> no i dont get any question
[12:04] <melazyboy> Myke: Yea i can see it happening, just taking note to the difference... Ill have to designate a machine in the future to play around with that half of the prodcuts would be branned ubuntu, other half debian hahaga
[12:04] <ogra> TheCan: it only removes the link for you  ;)
[12:04] <pmfp> TheCan: what does it say?
[12:04] <melazyboy> branded*
[12:04] <TheCan> it drops me back into commandline
[12:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> Well and the screenshot how can I get it?
[12:05] <ogra> pmfp: ubuntus debconf has another priority
[12:05] <pmfp> ogra: oh
[12:05] <pmfp> ogra: I'm a Debianite
[12:05] <Myke> melazyboy: if you want what's in sid, just go for hoary...
[12:05] <Myke> ubuntu hoary is much more updated than sid
[12:05] <Myke> and, is compatible with warry :p
[12:05] <melazyboy> Myke: Im using hoary
[12:05] <ogra> TheCan: you can do a dpkg-reconfigure -plow openssh-server
[12:05] <Myke> so, probably packs in sid are not more uptodate than that
[12:06] <Myke> check the versions...
[12:06] <TheCan> i already removed this symlink
[12:06] <ogra> TheCan: but it still only removes the link for you ;)
[12:06] <TheCan> lets see if it helps :-)
[12:06] <melazyboy> Myke: Sid still had 88 packages listing w/ higher versions, i checked some of them sid openoffice was newer than hoary, but for the reasons mentioned about target audience i think id prefer to not upgrade
[12:06] <Myke> you can in fact have older versions in sid looking like updates
[12:06] <pmfp> TheCan: what you should do, is: touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run
[12:06] <davmor2> bob2 ta for the NVIDIA tip works great.
[12:06] <Myke> you have to versions in pack, program version, and pack version
[12:06] <ogra> pmfp: great idea !
[12:07] <pmfp> TheCan: I checked /etc/rc0.d/K20ssh, it checks if that exists, and if it does it will not run
[12:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> Cant I use a key on the kb to takea screenshot?
[12:07] <TheCan> isnt there any "standard" approach for just about any server?
[12:07] <Myke> a higher pack version doesn't mean more up to date
[12:07] <pmfp> newtolinux: what's the name of the server you think is running?
[12:07] <TheCan> i'm used to bsd where you can just say serverxy=YES or serverxy=NO in /etc/rc.conf
[12:07] <ogra> TheCan: not yet ;) http://www.grawert.net/services.png
[12:08] <Myke> TheCan: in linux, you can do that by changing the first letter in /etc/rcx.d
[12:08] <Myke> S to start you startup
[12:08] <melazyboy> Myke well i think when i checked openoffice, it was like 1.2.0-2, and sid was like 1.2.0-3, nothing major
[12:08] <Myke> K to kill (not start) on startup
[12:08] <newtolinux> anyone mind helping me further wich solving this ftp prob of mine?
[12:08] <kaiser-> is there a way to see the taskmanager in linux ?
[12:08] <pmfp> newtolinux: do you know the name of it?
[12:08] <Myke> 1.2.0 is the program version
[12:08] <Myke> so, same version there...
[12:08] <Myke> -3 is the package version
[12:09] <newtolinux> pmfp: no
[12:09] <Myke> it means it was packed twice in ubuntu and three times in sid
[12:09] <ogra> kaiser-: look in applications->system tools
[12:09] <melazyboy> hrm did not know that -3 was the package version
[12:09] <pmfp> newtolinux: dpkg -l | grep ftp
[12:09] <Myke> it doesn't tell you wich one is better off
[12:09] <TheCan> like change the S into something else?
[12:09] <Myke> from S to K
[12:09] <FromOnHigh_> 	Hello.. I'm using Ubuntu Linux and I'd like to do two things.. One, mount several FAT32 hard drives and change the GNOME interface to XFCE4 with iDesk while deleting all traces of GNOME from my desktop.. I'm moreless clueless (I downloaded XFCE4 but it crashed my system and made the boot loader non-functional)
[12:09] <Myke> or from K to S
[12:09] <Myke> just those two letters
[12:09] <TheCan> ok when i try to access the box now i get: ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused
[12:10] <ogra> TheCan: so ssh is off
[12:10] <TheCan> but i would expect to get nothing rather...
[12:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> Why the system doesnt takea shot if I press print screen?
[12:10] <Nefarous> Where can I find libqt-mt (not showing anything Qt related in apt-cache)
[12:10] <newtolinux_> ii  ftp            0.17-12        The FTP client.
[12:10] <newtolinux_> ii  lftp           3.0.5-1        Sophisticated command-line FTP/HTTP client p
[12:10] <TheCan> like on any other port where no server is running
[12:10] <ogra> newtolinux_: only clients
[12:10] <kaiser-> cuz i cant get any sound in quake 3 and my friend told me to closedown xmms
[12:10] <pmfp> TheCan: you can use a firewall to drop all connection attempts
[12:10] <kaiser-> and i cant even turn it on
[12:10] <TheCan> well i want to ommit a firewall, it complicates things often
[12:10] <pmfp> TheCan: I'm not sure, it might say connection refused after a few hundred ages too anyway
[12:11] <newtolinux> orga: when i try to conenct to myself on port 21 it asks for a password
[12:11] <Myke> TheCan: look for qShield script
[12:11] <TheCan> well anyways it's not running anymore and thats what i wanted, thank you guys :-)
[12:11] <Myke> makes configuring a firewall a very easy task
[12:11] <zenpod> I need an artist at my disposal, darnit.
[12:11] <pmfp> newtolinux: netstat -tap, what's running on the ftp port?
[12:11] <Myke> gShield
[12:11] <Myke> sorry :p
[12:11] <zenpod> kaiser-, check the sound output quake 3 or xmms are using.  Are you using GNOME?
[12:12] <pmfp> quake3 uses OSS
[12:12] <ogra> zenpod: what a question in a ubuntu channel ;)
[12:12] <kaiser-> zenpod,  yea but i dont know how to do that
[12:12] <pmfp> xmms can use ALSA using plugins
[12:12] <TheCan> well then there is only this kernel issues yet :/
[12:12] <kaiser-> zenpod,  im still new to linux
[12:12] <zenpod> ogra, I ran into a guy this morning who was using KDE ;)
[12:12] <TheCan> i no one of you running a normal "vanilla" kernel in ubuntu?
[12:12] <zenpod> kaiser-, set XMMS to use ALSA or ESD
[12:12] <ogra> zenpod: yes, i heard there are some :)
[12:12] <zenpod> kaiser-, then it won't conflict with OSS for Q3.
[12:12] <TheCan> i tried so many times today, but all make-kpkg'ed kernel dont want to work because there is something missing so it cant find the hard drive
[12:13] <Myke> i'm going to get killed by this... but, i had to change the defaults looks of gnome... i opted for a winxp look :|
[12:13] <zenpod> TheCan, I use linux-686-smp from the ubuntu repository
[12:13] <kaiser-> zenpod, what you just said wont tell me anything, you have to go down to details :)
[12:13] <ogra> kaiser-: did i understand right that you dont know how to turn on xmms ? but your friend told you to stop it ?
[12:13] <anders_> made a bug about the hotplug alsa snd-usb-audio thing #4202
[12:13] <zenpod> kaiser-, see the little X logo in XMMS? Right click on it, select properties, or whatever.. chanjge the sound output to ALSA or ESD
[12:13] <ogra> anders_: great ;)
[12:14] <anders_> :)
[12:14] <kaiser-> no i dont see it zenwhen
[12:14] <Myke> so, anyone here using linux as gateway for windows clients?
[12:14] <zenpod> ogra, the *only* think KDE has over gnome is K3b
[12:14] <pmfp> Well, I'm off to bed, school, sparring and france
[12:14] <FromOnHigh_> Is there a way to uninstall GNOME from Ubuntu and add XFCE?
[12:14] <kaiser-> i dont know how to turn it off, cuz when i start it it just loads for a sec
[12:14] <zenpod> kaiser-, erg.  Is your XMMS black with blue text?
[12:14] <kaiser-> and then nothing
[12:14] <zenpod> oh.
[12:15] <SmokingFire> what's the command again to create a directory?
[12:15] <RuffianSoldier> http://www.bootstrike.com/LaughterHell/Featured/windowsrg.html
[12:15] <kaiser-> you mean the icon ?
[12:15] <zenpod> I suspect xmms running isn't the problem then :)
[12:15] <Myke> mkdir
[12:15] <pmfp> SmokingFire: mkdir tjo
[12:15] <TheCan> SmokingFire, mkdir
[12:15] <zenpod> SmokingFire, mkdir
[12:15] <SmokingFire> I'm used to the amiga md command
[12:15] <SmokingFire> thanks guys
[12:15] <TheCan> SmokingFire, you can setup an alias in your shell
[12:15] <TheCan> :)
[12:15] <zenpod> kaiser-, so you don't see a nice little winamp-looking interface?
[12:15] <kaiser-> no
[12:15] <SmokingFire> TheCan: I should do that
[12:15] <Myke> SmokingFire: pico ~/.bashrc
[12:16] <zenpod> kaiser-, xmms isn't running then.  Do you use nvidia drivers by chance?
[12:16] <Myke> add: alias md='mkdir'
[12:16] <kaiser-> i cant turn it on either
[12:16] <kaiser-> yes i do
[12:16] <zenpod> kaiser-, install libmikmod2 from synaptic
[12:16] <zenpod> kaiser-, it's a known bug
[12:16] <zenpod> xmms will run once you install libmikmod2.
[12:16] <SmokingFire> Myke: at what point?
[12:16] <Myke> SmokingFire: at any point you want
[12:16] <SmokingFire> totally below?
[12:16] <kaiser-> do i have to reboot zenwhen ?
[12:16] <Nefarous> I want to run nvmixer, but it requires libqt-mt ... don't see it in the apt-cache, any clues???
[12:16] <Myke> next time you open a shell
[12:16] <Myke> you can use md as mkdir
[12:17] <kaiser-> sorry zenwhen i ment zenpod *
[12:17] <zenpod> speaking of, I saw the funniest post on the ubuntu forums today.  'apt-get install *lib - be like microsoft, and have no dependancy issues!'
[12:17] <zenpod> kaiser-, nope
[12:17] <Myke> lol
[12:17] <SmokingFire> how do you save in pico?
[12:17] <kaiser-> and now the sound will work in quake 3 ?
[12:17] <FromOnHigh_> How do I uninstall Ubuntu without killing any other OSes on my computer?
[12:17] <Myke> they forgot: sudo before apt-get
[12:17] <SmokingFire> its writeout?
[12:17] <FromOnHigh_> Namely the Boot loader?
[12:17] <Myke> SmokingFire: control + X
[12:18] <zenpod> kaiser-, we'll deal with that shortly :)
[12:18] <Myke> then Y
[12:18] <kaiser-> i gotta game to play now
[12:18] <zenpod> kaiser-, go fix xmms, hehe
[12:18] <kaiser-> ill be back later
[12:18] <zenpod> see ya.
[12:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> printscreen doesnt want to print the screen =/
[12:18] <zenpod> SmokingFire, nano > pico, btw
[12:19] <SmokingFire> zenpod: I never used it before.
[12:19] <Myke> _|Imanewbie|_: click in the bar, where it say "computer" 3 option from below
[12:19] <Myke> capture something, should do the trick
[12:19] <zenpod> SmokingFire, pico is like the pine email client, ever used that?
[12:19] <Myke> (i can't say it in english because my desktop it's not in english :)
[12:19] <zenpod> SmokingFire, as far as editing and stuff goes.
[12:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> Myke: cant I use a kb shortcut?
[12:20] <SmokingFire> zenpod: nope sorry I haven't
[12:20] <zenpod> SmokingFire, oh ok.
[12:20] <SmokingFire> how do I download a whole website with wget? just wget <url> * ?
[12:20] <zenpod> SmokingFire, pico and nano are similar, I just prefer nano.  They're simple to use, and nicer than vi or emacs
[12:21] <zenpod> Heh, realplayer 10 actually works well in gnome.  Go figure.
[12:21] <SmokingFire> well, I think I have used vi once, when my video config was wrong.
[12:21] <SmokingFire> But normally I prefer gedit.
[12:21] <jdub> the real guys have been coming to gnome events for ages now ;)
[12:21] <zenpod> SmokingFire, I prefer vi to emacs, but we won't even start that. :)
[12:24] <Myke> zenpod: pico and nano are similar for a reason
[12:24] <zenpod> Myke, yah
[12:24] <Myke> pico it's not free and nano is a copy of pico
[12:24] <zenpod> Myke, I just prefer nano personally.
[12:25] <zenpod> pico is Uwashinton stuff, iirc.
[12:25] <Myke> they behave the same :p
[12:25] <Tpyo_Knig> anyone had/have any luck compiling gDesklets .31.1?
[12:25] <Tpyo_Knig> it keeps telling me that cpp fails the sanity check
[12:26] <Tpyo_Knig> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:28] <zenpod> Myke, hush, don't burst my bubble ;)
[12:31] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: install build-essential
[12:31] <Myke> eheheheh
[12:31] <Tpyo_Knig> already had to do an apt-get install gcc
[12:31] <zenpod> I love this new wireless keyboard and mouse
[12:31] <ogra> no idea what gdesklets (python) does with g++
[12:32] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, that worked
[12:32] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: gcc != g++
[12:32] <Tpyo_Knig> thx
[12:32] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, this required gcc lol
[12:32] <Tpyo_Knig> it said explictly : gcc not found
[12:32] <Myke> anyone here wants to go to the airport tomorrow morning get my gf?
[12:32] <Myke> i want to sleep :|
[12:32] <ogra> hehe
[12:33] <ogra> Myke: _get_ your gf ?
[12:33] <Myke> from the airport to her house here...
[12:33] <superted> hehe
[12:33] <Myke> (she went to visit her family for the weekend)
[12:33] <Tpyo_Knig> now what...
[12:33] <Tpyo_Knig> checking for glib-2.0 gdk-pixbuf-2.0 gtk+-2.0 pygtk-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:33] <Tpyo_Knig> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glib-2.0.pc'
[12:34] <Myke> apt-get install glib :)
[12:34] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: now: sudo apt-get install gnome-core-devel
[12:34] <Myke> and so on...
[12:34] <Myke> there should be a program to take file request... with a database of wich file is in wich package...
[12:34] <Tpyo_Knig> E: Couldn't find package gnome-core-devel
[12:34] <Tpyo_Knig> root@wdbt:/home/twiztid #
[12:35] <Tpyo_Knig> :/
[12:35] <Myke> and auto-install packages as soon as they are required
[12:35] <ogra> gnome-core-devel - The GNOME Desktop Environment -- development components
[12:35] <ogra> hmm
[12:36] <Myke> a message should pop-up: Program X is looking for Y pack that is not available, do you wish to install it?
[12:36] <Myke> :p
[12:36] <keknehv>  I just set up apache2, and now I have in my /var/www folder, an "apache2-default" folder
[12:36] <Myke> ogra: isn't gnome-core-devel in universe ?
[12:36] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, what repo is it in?
[12:41] <keknehv> Can I safely delete this folder and put index.html and such in the main /var/www
[12:41] <zenpod> hm cool, cedega .debs
[12:41] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: its in universe
[12:41] <ogra> i'm a bit astonished
[12:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> how can I change my username in ubuntu?
[12:41] <keknehv> So how do I change what web pages apache serves?
[12:41] <Myke> keknehv: apache serves what's in /var/www
[12:41] <keknehv> yes...
[12:41] <keknehv> I have a 'default
[12:41] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: user and groups tool in the system tools menu below computer
[12:41] <Myke> you just remove everything there
[12:41] <keknehv> okay
[12:41] <Myke> and put there what you want served
[12:41] <keknehv> brb
[12:41] <zenpod> silly question, is php and mysql in synaptic, by chance?
[12:41] <Myke> zenpod: yes
[12:41] <zenpod> can someone in ubuntu at the moment check for me?
[12:41] <zenpod> ah sweet
[12:41] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: btw, gdesklets is in universe too
[12:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: thx
[12:41] <Myke> zenpod: with photo blog?
[12:41] <Myke> with naked photos?
[12:41] <zenpod> Myke, no, just normal blog
[12:41] <zenpod> sorry, none of that :)
[12:41] <Myke> what a waste of apache resources
[12:41] <zenpod> haha
[12:41] <Tpyo_Knig> I didnt have universe enabled as a repo
[12:41] <Myke> so many man hours to produce apache... as you used to let a girl speak even more...
[12:41] <keknehv> it's still trying to send me to apache-default
[12:41] <Myke> s/as/and
[12:41] <Myke> does anyone here knows anything about upnp?
[12:41] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: so enable it and save the time for compiling ;)
[12:41] <keknehv> if I put an index.html in /var/www, shouldn't apache recognize it and send me there?
[12:41] <Myke> keknehv: usually yes...
[12:41] <Myke> if you didn't mess up with apache conf :p
[12:42] <keknehv> what?
[12:42] <keknehv>  what should I change in apache conf?
[12:42] <keknehv> go here to see the message: http://keknehv.no-ip.com:5080
[12:43] <Myke> do you have something about red chicken in index.html ?
[12:44] <keknehv> what?
[12:44] <keknehv> red chicken?
[12:44] <keknehv> NOOO...
[12:44] <ogra> keknehv: change /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default
[12:44] <keknehv> oh.... ok
[12:44] <keknehv> thanks
[12:44] <Myke> check for yourself
[12:44] <Myke> you do have fire chicken on your site
[12:44] <ogra> keknehv: comment the RedirectMatch line
[12:45] <Tpyo_Knig> yuck ogra the gdesklets in universe is .26
[12:45] <Tpyo_Knig> new version is .31.1
[12:46] <Nefarous> What package can I use for rar files under ubuntu?
[12:46] <keknehv> Myke... what are you sending me?
[12:47] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: what advantages has .31.1 over .26 ?
[12:47] <keknehv> BTW, it's working now. (don't go there--please [it's about 4 years old] )
[12:47] <Tpyo_Knig> newer commands for the plugings
[12:47] <Myke> keknehv: screnshoot of you chicken page
[12:47] <Tpyo_Knig> that and the ./configure still doesnt detect it
[12:47] <keknehv> oh... ok
[12:47] <ogra> Nefarous: unrar-nonfree i think .... from multiverse
[12:47] <keknehv> I think I'm gonna get rid of that now :D
[12:47] <Tpyo_Knig> configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 gdk-pixbuf-2.0 gtk+-2.0 pygtk-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met
[12:49] <Nefarous> ogra: thanks, I'll add it to my repo list ... I haven't gone there yet.
[12:49] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: sudo apt-get install gnome-core-devel
[12:49] <Tpyo_Knig> i did that
[12:49] <kaiser-> zenpod, you there? ^^
[12:49] <zenpod> kaiser-, eh, kidna
[12:49] <bruceonline> n8 cu
[12:49] <Tpyo_Knig> gnome-core-devel is already the newest version.
[12:49] <Tpyo_Knig> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:49] <zenpod> putting drops in my ears for ear infection :/
[12:49] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: did it install a big bunch of files ?
[12:49] <Tpyo_Knig> 70 sum mb
[12:49] <IRCMonkey> Typo_Knig and ogra - I get the same error and did gnome-core-devel
[12:49] <keknehv> uh-oh.... where did that file go?
[12:49] <kaiser-> thats to much info
[12:49] <kaiser-> so you know what the prob might be ?
[12:50] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: on warty or hoary ?
[12:50] <kaiser-> with my quake 3 ?
[12:50] <Tpyo_Knig> warty
[12:50] <Myke> sudo: apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[12:50] <Myke> and so on for, pixbuf and gtk+
[12:50] <Tpyo_Knig> libglib2.0-dev is already the newest version.
[12:50] <keknehv> Ahhh.... the page is MUCH better
[12:50] <Myke> and, pygtk
[12:50] <keknehv> Where do files go once received in X-Chat?
[12:50] <Myke> what?
[12:50] <Myke> no more chicken? :S
[12:51] <zenpod> kaiser-, are you using any other programs that play sound besides quake3?
[12:51] <keknehv> lol
[12:51] <keknehv> That thing was made by HAND
[12:51] <Myke> .xchat/download
[12:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> Does ubuntu has a .deb package to set uo java on firefox?
[12:51] <keknehv> ouch... painful
[12:51] <Myke> or something like that
[12:51] <zenpod> keknehv, .xchat/download
[12:51] <zenpod> er heh
[12:51] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig:  python-gtk2-dev
[12:51] <nitin> anyone know how i can force fglrx or XFREE to think im using a 9700 PRO (which i am) right now it thinks im using a 9500 generic
[12:51] <joh> Anyone on hoary noticed how the gnome-terminal doesn't take focus when started?
[12:51] <kaiser-> zenpod, nop
[12:51] <nitin> i checked CHIPID but its nto helping
[12:52] <nitin> all i can do with chipid is switch it from generic to pro
[12:52] <nitin> anyone?
[12:52] <keknehv> If you still want to see my old page, it's at geocities.com/firechicken
[12:52] <Myke> keknehv: do you like that screen shoot? :p
[12:53] <TheStuff> hi all
[12:56] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:56] <TheStuff> how can i re-install GRUB ?
[12:56] <keknehv> lol
[12:56] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i would suggest method two
[12:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: thanks!
[12:56] <keknehv> it's... okay
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, sudo lsod /dev/dsp
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, sudo lsod /dev/dsp
[12:56] <Myke> TheStuff: open synaptic
[12:56] <zenpod> ack - kaiser-, sudo lsof /dev/dsp
[12:56] <Myke> select grub, then reinstall option
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, tell me if there's any output
[12:56] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: but method one is what yo asked for :)
[12:56] <kaiser-> lsod command not found
[12:56] <TheStuff> Myke, open synaptic ? whts that ?
[12:56] <ogra> kaiser-: missing a m
[12:56] <keknehv> I'm too lazy to look it up so... how do you make apache2 add something to the bottom of every page?
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, lsof
[12:56] <zenpod> I typo'd
[12:56] <Myke> it's the package manager
[12:56] <Myke> it's like apt-get
[12:56] <ogra> zenpod: ahh, i though lsmod :)
[12:56] <Myke> but, in X, and.. better :p
[12:56] <kaiser-> hmm and then when im done with that?
[12:56] <TheStuff> ok Myke .. i`ll check out
[12:56] <zenpod> ogra, hehe :)
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, tell me if there's any result from that command.  It'll list if any other programs are using your soundcard
[12:56] <Myke> keknehv: you have several options...
[12:56] <kaiser-> there wasnt any
[12:56] <Myke> one of them, is to use server side includes
[12:56] <Myke> just activate that option in apache conf
[12:56] <Myke> change from .html to .shtml
[12:56] <Myke> and you can include other files in your .shtml
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, hm.  Okay, so that's weird.
[12:56] <Tpyo_Knig> yay
[12:56] <kaiser-> yea
[12:56] <Tpyo_Knig> finally got it to work
[12:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I will do it manually and link stuff my self
[12:56] <keknehv> oh... okay
[12:56] <keknehv> I remember reading that
[12:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I'm used to do it from slack
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, are you running quake3 from console?
[12:56] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: ok.... but method 2 brings v1.5 in :)
[12:56] <keknehv> so... ssh... check... webserver... check... now to get ftp...
[12:56] <zenpod> kaiser-, if so, are you seeing any error messages?
[12:56] <kaiser-> you mean from the termina ?
[12:56] <zenpod> yeah
[12:56] <kaiser-> terminal*
[12:56] <kaiser-> yes and no
[12:57] <zenpod> hmmm.
[12:57] <kaiser-> i run from terminal = yes
[12:57] <keknehv> what ftp server do you recommend?
[12:57] <kaiser-> error = no
[12:57] <keknehv> (you=you all)
[12:57] <Tpyo_Knig> damnit :/
[12:57] <zenpod> kaiser-, I'm stumped.  Sorry.  If nothing is using /dev/dsp, it *ought* to work.
[12:57] <Hikaru79> Guys... HUGE problem x_x
[12:57] <Hikaru79> I was on my Ubuntu system
[12:57] <kaiser-> ok i know someone who might know how to fix
[12:57] <keknehv> what? X_X
[12:57] <Hikaru79> Happily working away
[12:57] <keknehv> and...?
[12:57] <stuNNed> keknehv, did you get your mount vfat partition sorted?
[12:57] <zenpod> kaiser-, cool :)
[12:57] <Hikaru79> Then... power outage
[12:57] <Hikaru79> Power comes back on
[12:57] <Hikaru79> I turn my computer back on
[12:58] <Hikaru79> And I get to the login screen
[12:58] <keknehv> No, stupid thing -_-
[12:58] <Hikaru79> I put in my user/pass
[12:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: what does "** edit /usr/share/java-package/sun-j2sdk.sh to reflect the actual JDK 1.5 release version" means?
[12:58] <Hikaru79> It does some processing
[12:58] <keknehv> and...?
[12:58] <Hikaru79> Then spits out this error: http://www.pastebin.com/124313
[12:58] <keknehv> ***GASP***
[12:58] <Hikaru79> I know.
[12:58] <Hikaru79> Ph33r :(
[12:58] <keknehv> lol
[12:58] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, edit that file, where it says 'beta2' , remove it
[12:58] <nitin> how do i force my vid card to be detected as a 9700 pro (which it is)
[12:58] <nitin> chipid isnt working
[12:58] <Hikaru79> I *really* don't want to have to reformat my drive... any ideas? x_x Please?
[12:59] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: nothing anymore it think...it was fixed afaik ....but else you would have to edit one line in the script from 1.4 to 1.5
[12:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: and I will still have to do ln -s stuff?
[12:59] <Hikaru79> And just for the record, I am *sure* I am nowehere near out of diskspace
[12:59] <Hikaru79> I have over 40 GB left, actually
[12:59] <Myke> Hikaru79: that out of disk space is suspicious...
[12:59] <Hikaru79> Over 40 GB
[12:59] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, ehh? what instructions are you following?
[12:59] <martinald> hi
[12:59] <Myke> have you checked that you root fs was mounted read write and not read only
[12:59] <martinald> how can i get intltoolize on ubuntu
[12:59] <Myke> maybe there was some problem with the filesystem because of light out...
[12:59] <ogra> Hikaru79: is /home/hikaru79/.ICEauthority there ?
[12:59] <Hikaru79> Myke, my system was working fine before the outage.
[12:59] <Hikaru79> Lemme check
[01:00] <Myke> and ext3 didn't managed to fix in automatic way
[01:00] <martinald> i am trying to recompile metacity minus composite
[01:00] <ogra> Hikaru79: and which permissions has it if yes ?
[01:00] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java, use method 2.
[01:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: oki, well it cant find the package
[01:00] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, one sec
[01:00] <martinald> but i need intltoolize (i have installed intltool-debian to no avail)
[01:00] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: its in uni or multiverse
[01:00] <Myke> also, check if file /home/hikaru79/.ICEauthority
[01:00] <Myke> is present and readable
[01:00] <keknehv> How do you see how much disk space is left?
[01:00] <Myke> df
[01:01] <martinald> keknehv df or goto system monitor (in applications menu)
[01:01] <Hikaru79> Myke, /home/hikaru79/.ICEauthority is not there...
[01:01] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, http://neo.caslab.queensu.ca/~bhall/jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[01:01] <keknehv> /dev/hda2             28837236  17642264   9730124  65% /
[01:01] <keknehv> tmpfs                    95744         0     95744   0% /dev/shm
[01:01] <keknehv> /dev/hda1             39695360   3978048  35717312  11% /mnt/windows
[01:01] <ogra> keknehv: df -h
[01:01] <Hikaru79> Yes, I am checking hidden files
[01:01] <keknehv> dang -_-
[01:01] <martinald> anyone want to help me install intltoolize on ubuntu :(?
[01:01] <Hikaru79> How could it have disappeared? :S
[01:01] <keknehv> That's the last time that I try to get every game in the universe, multiverse, and the base
[01:01] <keknehv> :D
[01:01] <Hikaru79> LMAO, keknehv  ^ ^;;
[01:02] <zenpod> Hikaru79, you could try 'touch /home/hikaru79/.ICEauthority' may or may not help
[01:02] <keknehv> It took about three hours to download and install :D
[01:02] <Myke> Hikaru79: try to add a new user
[01:02] <Myke> and login with that new user
[01:02] <Myke> maybe you just got corrupt home dir files
[01:02] <keknehv> So now I've got over 600 games in /usr/games
[01:02] <Hikaru79> knoppix@ttyp0[hikaru79] $ touch /home/hikaru79/.ICEauthority
[01:02] <Hikaru79> touch: cannot touch `/home/hikaru79/.ICEauthority': No such file or directory
[01:02] <zenpod> keknehv, bwahaha.
[01:02] <zenpod> Hikaru79, just make an empty text file
[01:02] <Hikaru79> Myke, *can* I create a new user for Ubuntu through Knoppix? o_O;
[01:02] <keknehv> and I feel an urge to try them all!
[01:03] <keknehv> ^_^
[01:03] <Hikaru79> Oh wait!
[01:03] <Hikaru79> I found it!
[01:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: where do I save it?
[01:03] <zenpod> aha.
[01:03] <Hikaru79> It *is* here... but it's a file, not a directory
[01:03] <Myke> Hikaru79: you should be hable to boot ubuntu
[01:03] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, whereever.  doesn't matter
[01:03] <Hikaru79> Myke, I can't
[01:03] <Hikaru79> Oh wait
[01:03] <Myke> and get a command line (no graphic) root login
[01:03] <Hikaru79> Yeah I can
[01:03] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, you're going to use java-package to make a .deb from it
[01:03] <Hikaru79> Command line ^ ^:;
[01:03] <Hikaru79> I found .ICEauthority, by the way...
[01:03] <martinald> anyone want to help me install intltoolize on ubuntu :(?
[01:03] <Myke> then, if the problem is just with your home dir
[01:03] <sect2k> hi, can someone please tell me where ubuntu logs boot messages?
[01:04] <Myke> creating a new user should be a quick fix
[01:04] <zenpod> sect2k, /var/messages I expect
[01:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: oki
[01:04] <zenpod> er /var/log/messages
[01:04] <carlos> sect2k: dmesg|less
[01:04] <keknehv> what's the tmpfs filesystem?
[01:04] <ogra> sect2k: /var/log/dmesg holds only the boot messages
[01:04] <Myke> keknehv: it's a export to user space of shm kernel system
[01:05] <keknehv> oh... ok
[01:05] <Hikaru79> knoppix@ttyp0[hikaru79] $ touch .ICEauthority
[01:05] <Hikaru79> touch: cannot touch `.ICEauthority': Read-only file system
[01:05] <Hikaru79> Should it be read and write?
[01:05] <keknehv> So what's the best ftp server out there?
[01:05] <Myke> yes, it should
[01:05] <Hikaru79> Aha!
[01:05] <zenpod> Hikaru79, umm... did you boot in ro?
[01:05] <zenpod> that'd be an issue, lol
[01:05] <sect2k> i've look at those files, but i can't find an error message i see during boot
[01:05] <ogra> Hikaru79: nope it shouldnt...its knoppix
[01:05] <Hikaru79> So should I use root terminal to make it +x/
[01:05] <Hikaru79> *?
[01:05] <Myke> Hikaru79: what's the output of: mount
[01:05] <Hikaru79> But... this is on the original /home/hikaru79
[01:05] <martinald> also, how can i get firefox 1.0?
[01:05] <ogra> Hikaru79: remount with the rw option
[01:06] <Hikaru79> Output of mount: knoppix@ttyp0[hikaru79] $ mount
[01:06] <Hikaru79> /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw)
[01:06] <Hikaru79> /dev/scd0 on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro)
[01:06] <Hikaru79> /dev/cloop on /KNOPPIX type iso9660 (ro)
[01:06] <Hikaru79> /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw,devmode=0666)
[01:06] <ogra> Hikaru79: knoppix is supposed to mount ro by default
[01:06] <Hikaru79> automount(pid512) on /mnt/auto type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=512,minproto=2,maxproto=4)
[01:06] <Hikaru79> /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (ro,nosuid,nodev)
[01:06] <Hikaru79> 'ro'?
[01:06] <Myke> read only
[01:06] <Hikaru79> Oooh
[01:06] <zenpod> martinald, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5289&highlight=firefox+1.0
[01:06] <Myke> i have to mount that rw to write there
[01:06] <Hikaru79> So *everything* will be read only in Knoppix?
[01:06] <Hikaru79> By default?
[01:06] <Myke> but, you're not in ubuntu
[01:07] <Xenguy> keknehv: I don't use ftp servers, but I have heard that vsftpd is worth a look (designed with security in mind IIRC)
[01:07] <Myke> why don't you change into ubuntu
[01:07] <Myke> login with root
[01:07] <zenpod> Hikaru79, just umount it, then mount it again ro
[01:07] <Myke> create a new user
[01:07] <Myke> and try that
[01:07] <Hikaru79> OK...
[01:07] <keknehv> okay, thanks Xenguy (I think I already have that one installed, too)
[01:07] <ogra> Hikaru79: remount it with rw option
[01:07] <zenpod> er, rw, yeah, what ogra said
[01:07] <zenpod> I am dumb today :P
[01:07] <Xenguy> keknehv: I'd be interested to know what others think about good ftp servers too
[01:07] <Hikaru79> Hm
[01:08] <martinald> ok another question.. any way to enable drop shadows
[01:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> martinald: I think firefox 1.0 isnt avaliable in ubuntu repositories
[01:08] <martinald> im using xorg, hoary
[01:08] <martinald> yea i undersstand.. that sucks.
[01:09] <ogra> Hikaru79: mount -o remount,rw dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[01:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> martinald: what is the advantage of xorg toward xfree?
[01:09] <Hikaru79> Thanks :)
[01:09] <zenpod> martinald, you can just install it from firefox website.
[01:09] <Hikaru79> Done ^ ^
[01:09] <Hikaru79> Next?
[01:10] <FromOnHigh_> How do you uninstall Ubuntu and the boot loader without doing a full system format?
[01:11] <hypa7ia> FromOnHigh_: you need to resize your partitions
[01:11] <martinald> iamanewbie: not much yet, but i'd like to have drop shadows
[01:11] <ogra> Hikaru79: touch the file :)
[01:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> FromOnHigh_: fdisk /mbr cleans the boot loard
[01:11] <TheStuff> hi all
[01:11] <zenpod> ogra, that sounds almost perverted, lol
[01:11] <TheStuff> Myke, re-installing grub did not solve my issue
[01:11] <zenpod> 'Touch the file! Touch the file!
[01:11] <Hikaru79> K
[01:11] <ogra> hehe
[01:12] <FromOnHigh_> Does the file... Squirm?
[01:12] <Myke> TheStuff: tell the problem once more.. i forgot :p
[01:12] <Hikaru79> Do I use sudo with it? Because without, it's saying "permission denied"
[01:13] <Hikaru79> OK, I did: sudo touch .ICEauthority
[01:13] <Hikaru79> Is that it?
[01:14] <ogra> Hikaru79: is the file there ?
[01:14] <Hikaru79> Yes
[01:14] <TheStuff> Myke, i didn`t tell u befor .. :) any way .. my winXP system had crushed, i have ghost for the system .. but the problem is that when i ghost it, it do not boot only win intializing then the PC restart it seld .. any clue ?
[01:14] <Hikaru79> It's there
[01:15] <TheStuff> Myke, i didn`t tell u befor .. :) any way .. my winXP system had crushed, i have ghost for the system ..
[01:15] <ogra> Hikaru79: you will need to chown it to the dir owner.... dunno if that works from knoppix
[01:15] <TheStuff> but the problem is that when i ghost it, it do not boot only win intializing then the PC restart it seld .. any clue ?
[01:15] <Hikaru79> How would I do that? *blush*
[01:15] <TheStuff> restart it self
[01:16] <ogra> Hikaru79: in ubuntu ....from the console
[01:16] <ogra> Hikaru79: if you are at the login screen, hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get there
[01:16] <Hikaru79> OK, I'll do that from command line. What's the line?
[01:17] <ogra> Hikaru79: login, type: sudo chown $USER.$USER .ICEauthority
[01:17] <Hikaru79> Where $USER = hikaru79?
[01:17] <ogra> Hikaru79: hit ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to graph
[01:17] <ogra> where $USER = $USER ;)
[01:18] <ogra> Hikaru79: try echo $USER if you are logged in in ubuntu ;)
[01:18] <Hikaru79> OK ^ ^
[01:18] <Hikaru79> I'll try that now
[01:18] <Hikaru79> BRB in a bit?
[01:18] <TheStuff> ogra, how r u man
[01:19] <ogra> fine, thanks :)
[01:19] <zenpod> I am sooo bored
[01:19] <TheStuff> ogra, i think Ubuntu crashes MS winxp, do u ?
[01:20] <calamari_> hi
[01:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> wich is the command line to take a screenshot?
[01:21] <ogra> zenpod: for the bored http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=53
[01:21] <martinald> yet more questions, lol. any really easy way to get windows fonts on ubuntu?
[01:21] <TheStuff> martinald, copy paste :)
[01:21] <ogra> TheStuff: i dont crash XP , no ;)
[01:21] <calamari_> I made a customized windows .FON font (bitmap style).  How can I make it useable under Linux?  If its easier to rebuild from scratch, I can do that too.
[01:22] <calamari_> martinald: lol, scary
[01:22] <martinald> nah i don't have the windows fonts nearby
[01:22] <martinald> i could always extract from corefonts but it's a pita.. just wondering if i can add sommet to sources.list and type apt-get install corefonts
[01:22] <calamari_> TheStuff: does copy/paste work for FON style also?
[01:23] <ogra> martinald: install msttcorefonts from uni- or muliverse
[01:23] <martinald> really :D?
[01:23] <TheStuff> calamari_,  i dont know , its worked with .ttf
[01:23] <calamari_> 'stuff: oic
[01:24] <Hikaru79> =)
[01:24] <Hikaru79> Ogra
[01:24] <Hikaru79> You rule
[01:24] <Hikaru79> ^__^
[01:24] <Hikaru79> Worked like a charm!
[01:24] <ogra> :)
[01:24] <Hikaru79> Lifesaver!
[01:24] <TheStuff> lol
[01:24] <calamari_> TheStuff: I happen to be in Windows atm (grabbing some color settings).. where do I drag the fonts to?
[01:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> wich command I can use in terminal to take a screenshot?
[01:25] <martinald> i can't find msttfcorefonts in universe
[01:26] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: gnome-panel-screenshot
[01:26] <huttan> how do i mount a .bin file ?
[01:26] <calamari_> martinald: I remember them not looking exactly like the M$ versions anyways
[01:26] <ogra> huttan: mount ???
[01:26] <gen> mount a .bin?
[01:26] <ogra> huttan: a bin file ???
[01:26] <huttan> like a cd-image
[01:26] <TheStuff> calamari_, into ur font folder
[01:26] <huttan> bin/cue
[01:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I want to show a thing on applications menu to my friend so I cant select both!
[01:26] <calamari_> TheStuff: hmm.. guess I don't remember.. thanks :)
[01:27] <gen> why would you mount a .bin
[01:27] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: use gimp....there is a aquire option in the file menu
[01:28] <TheStuff> calamari_,  type fonts:/// in nautilus
[01:28] <ogra> martinald: have you refreshed your package lists ?
[01:28] <calamari_> 'stuff: thanks again :)
[01:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: thanks
[01:28] <martinald> ogra: yes
[01:29] <martinald> oh well i'm going back to windows. heh.
[01:29] <KitoQ> XCDRoast tells me, that I need to activate SCSI-Emulation in the Kernel. How do I do that?
[01:29] <martinald> ubuntu edges ever nearer though :)
[01:29] <calamari_> blah
[01:29] <ogra> martinald: hmm, also enabled multiverse ?
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[01:30] <ogra> lupus_: url ?
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[01:30] <calamari_> hehe... actually, Windows might have finally lost me this time.
[01:30] <gen> lupus_, don't do that
[01:30] <ogra> lupus_: hmmm
[01:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: it worked fine thx a lot
[01:32] <ogra> :)
[01:32] <ogra> calamari_: great to hear :)
[01:32] <calamari_> only problems at this point are Paint Shop Pro, WinRAR, and a decent text editor (need to write my own)
[01:32] <wig> Wondering. Anyone know where I can get a 2.6.7 linmodem patch (lucent/agere)?
[01:32] <keknehv> just wondering, do any of you know how to set the listening port on vsftpd
[01:32] <ogra> calamari_: look for unrar-nonfree in multiverse or universe
[01:33] <calamari_> ogra: yeah.. I know it's just a matter of time before I can't use '98 anymore.
[01:33] <zenpod> calamari_, you're telling me none of the<PHONE_NUMBER>47298 text editors available for linux are what you need? :)
[01:33] <ogra> calamari_: if its installed, filroller can handle rar
[01:33] <calamari_> zenpod: that's what I'm saying.. yep :)
[01:33] <lupus_> ogra, winrar in muliverse isn't that for 2.x rar files only?
[01:33] <zenpod> calamari_, OpenOffice, gedit, abiword, vi, emacs, kwrite, etc?
[01:33] <GoneBoB> gimp > PSP
[01:33] <calamari_> zenpod: textpad
[01:34] <zenpod> calamari_, I'm unfamiliar with that
[01:34] <ogra> lupus_: unrar-nonfree , i think its for all rar files
[01:34] <keknehv> You can download a winrar command line for linux
[01:34] <keknehv> It's has quasi-bzip and tar commands
[01:34] <calamari_> zenpod: its extremely configurable.. I have it looking and acting excatly like MS_DOS edit
[01:34] <keknehv> It's free, but not as in freedom
[01:34] <zenpod> calamari_, cool.
[01:35] <keknehv> calamari_: use vi. It is awesome
[01:35] <keknehv> :) I use vi all the time... emacs is confusing :D
[01:35] <zenpod> I have no clue about emacs.
[01:35] <calamari_> I think I have an unrar with my WinRAR reg.. but I rather like the UI integration and GUI that WinRAR offers.  Maybe when I get wine working I'll be set
[01:35] <zenpod> vi works.
[01:35] <melazyboy> dear god does tab not work on openoffice in hoary for anyone else?
[01:35] <calamari_> keknehv: no thanks, I still have hair left :)
[01:35] <keknehv> lol
[01:36] <keknehv> well, you could probably rip edit off of a windows installation
[01:36] <wig> anyone have experience with lucent/agere modems on linux?
[01:36] <keknehv> Then again, I read about an edit-like editor for linux in the linux cookbook...
[01:36] <keknehv> brb...
[01:36] <GotD0t> melazyboy: my tab works in OO
[01:36] <ogra> calamari_: unrar-nonfree and file-roller ....smart out winrar by far
[01:37] <calamari_> ogra: one annoyance with file rol;ler is that I don't seem to have the right click option to extract to a folder, only "extract here"
[01:38] <ogra> calamari_: dragging it to the dir before is no option ?
[01:38] <calamari_> ogra: Can the right click menus be edited?  If so, I bet it could be added
[01:39] <ogra> calamari_: btw, there are tons of nautilus scripts out there for such tasks
[01:39] <zenpod> can anyone direct me to step by step instructions on how to get k3b to work in warty *and* look nice?
[01:40] <GotD0t> zenpod: what do you mean and look nice?
[01:40] <wig> anyone have experience with lucent/agere modems on linux?
[01:40] <gen> wig, like dial up?
[01:40] <_|Imanewbie|_> how can I make grub load windows by default and has a bigger delay time?
[01:40] <zenpod> GotD0t, match my gnome, not have fonts that look hideously ugly on my LCD
[01:40] <wig> gen, yeah, it is.
[01:40] <ogra> zenpod: its qt
[01:40] <zenpod> ogra, I know.
[01:40] <ogra> zenpod: ugly by design :)
[01:41] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: why would you want to do such a thing
[01:41] <zenpod> ogra, I've seen screenshots from people running it in gnome and not looking like a sore thumb, though :)
[01:41] <calamari_> or make grub boot ubuntu by default with no delay time, hold a key (like lilo's shift) for the menu?
[01:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: cause my mum and my sister can press down twice and select wnblows
[01:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> *winblows
[01:41] <JStrike> Hasn't Coaster been packages yet?
[01:41] <ogra> zenpod: there is some config tool for qt...but as i dont touch qt stuff and refuse to have any on my machine i dont know the name
[01:42] <JStrike> s/packages/packaged
[01:42] <ogra> zenpod: search for qt config
[01:42] <TheStuff> ogra, how can i install grub when MBR had overwrite ?
[01:42] <splinta> why gnome not kde ?
[01:42] <JStrike> splinta : ?
[01:42] <KitoQ> why kde not gnome?
[01:42] <wig> how much space do you guys recommend for ubuntu?
[01:43] <calamari_> wig: I installed in 10gig's and have abount 4gig free
[01:43] <splinta> just another gnome distro
[01:43] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: do you have a clue about how can I do it?
[01:43] <ogra> TheStuff: assuming your mounted on /mnt and install in the mbr: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/hda
[01:43] <JStrike> wig : 1.8Gb+
[01:43] <splinta> why ubuntu ?
[01:44] <calamari_> splinta: have you tried Ubuntu?  It's awesome
[01:44] <zenpod> ogra, I'd prefer to not use k3b, but Ubuntu did the silly thing of shipping w/o a decent cd burning program for audiocds...
[01:44] <TheStuff> wig, ubuntu need 1.8GB for the system and 350MB for min pkg
[01:44] <JStrike> splinta : It pays the Gnome Devs a salary?
[01:44] <ogra> splinta: teel about _any_ gnome distro
[01:44] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: yea... get into your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[01:44] <erik> uh oh, locales upgrade
[01:44] <erik> is this the one that fixes all the locale not supported messages?
[01:44] <JStrike> splinta : And Mark can do with his money as he pleases?
[01:44] <ogra> zenpod: i know...thats why i started: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[01:44] <keknehv> calamari_: try joe. "joe 	 Joe's Own Editor, joe, is a full-screen editor with a look and feel reminiscent of old DOS text editors like EDIT. {@sf{Debian}}: `joe' {@sf{WWW}}: ftp://ftp.std.com/src/editors/"
[01:45] <splinta> calm down calm down....was only asking
[01:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: there Im
[01:45] <JStrike> splinta : And Ubuntu's design philosophy is pretty similar to Gnomes
[01:45] <keknehv> (from the linux cookbook)
[01:45] <zenpod> ogra, you make that?  I am just looking at that site now, oddly.
[01:45] <ogra> zenpod: but i think rhythmbox will have audio burning in hoary
[01:45] <ogra> zenpod: yep, i made it
[01:45] <erik> MrBurns looks pretty nice
[01:45] <zenpod> ogra, sweet :)  Is it simple enough for my gf to make audio cds for her car?
[01:45] <JStrike> I thought someone was looking into packaging Coaster
[01:45] <zenpod> it looks simple.  hm
[01:45] <calamari_> keknehv: thanks.. I've actually tried joe.
[01:46] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: change the number next to timeout to whatever you want... change the number next to default to read saved and then go down to where it says your windows OS and add savedefault underneath root
[01:46] <keknehv> gtg... dinner (hope it's not more thanksgiving leftovers :P)
[01:46] <zenpod> JStrike, coaster is at something like v0.0000000001 right now, if I recall
[01:46] <ogra> zenpod: depends, if your burner works, yes...if not, no *g*
[01:46] <GotD0t> keknehv: i wouldn't get your hops up
[01:46] <Milo_italia> hello
[01:46] <ogra> zenpod: i cant tell it in advance
[01:46] <zenpod> ogra, lol, I have an LG burner.  everything loves LG. :)
[01:46] <JStrike> zenpod : Works quite well already
[01:46] <ogra> zenpod: does nautilus burn with it ?
[01:46] <zenpod> JStrike, I may have to try it, I have this aversion to installing anything w/o a .deb
[01:47] <zenpod> ogra, yep
[01:47] <ogra> zenpod: so it _could_ work ....
[01:47] <zenpod> ogra, I'll give it a whirl and get back to you, lol
[01:47] <ogra> zenpod: just pull it from my repo, its only about 50k
[01:47] <JStrike> zenpod : jdub was talking about getting it packaged. So a deb should be along pretty soon
[01:48] <ogra> JStrike: yep, but no audio....
[01:48] <zenpod> Cool.  I'll try mrburns, since that's what I need for now.  I'll be happy if they get coaster working, with audio, dvd, etc, eventually.  Gnome needs something to one-up k3b.
[01:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: there is save default under it
[01:48] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: then you're golden
[01:48] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: just make sure you change the default option
[01:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: should I delete save default under ubuntu entries?
[01:48] <JStrike> ogra : Muine with the cd-burning patch is perfect for that
[01:49] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: just comment them out
[01:49] <ogra> JStrike: hmm, but mono is not in yet
[01:49] <TheStuff> JStrike, i have problem with GRUB .. caould u help ?
[01:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: just that? anything else?
[01:49] <ogra> TheStuff: did you read my last msg to you ?
[01:49] <JStrike> TheStuff : GRUB is not my area of expertise. Sorry
[01:50] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: and i believe you have to do sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[01:50] <TheStuff> ogra, no
[01:50] <ogra> TheStuff: assuming your mounted on /mnt and install in the mbr: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/hda
[01:50] <mac> TheStuff google for it, there are a plenty of docs that explain how to do it
[01:50] <ogra> TheStuff: you need a boot CD like knoppix or something.,...
[01:50] <zenpod> hahaha cool, xdesktopwaves looks neat.  with fishes and turtles!
[01:51] <ogra> zenpod: someone announced it here....and there was no package looks funny...but kills your cpu ;)
[01:51] <TheStuff> ogra, i couldn`t use ubuntu CD, right ?
[01:52] <ogra> TheStuff: you could, but i dont know when you have to stop the install to do a clean mount
[01:52] <zenpod> ogra, yeah, no doubt.  I have a 2.8HT P4 tho... might have some cycles to spare.  I'll have to try it out
[01:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: why? the grub was working cool with all OS why I would nee to do grubinstall again?
[01:53] <TheStuff> ogra, i got it thanx alot
[01:53] <ogra> TheStuff: probably the liveCD could work for that
[01:53] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: i believe you need that to update the menu, as grub is saved in the MBR... and if im wrong about needing it, then it cant hurt
[01:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> oki lemme test
[01:54] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[01:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: thanks
[01:56] <ogra> :)
[01:56] <GotD0t> ogra: whats the point? he can just edit the file directly?
[01:56] <cardador> anyone who have adsl usb knows how to share the internet to another pc?
[01:56] <ogra> GotD0t: yep, he can....
[01:56] <GotD0t> cardador: you need a router
[01:56] <KneelBeforeXorg> cardador: you can set up an application-level proxy or run IPMASQ
[01:56] <GotD0t> cardador: oh hmm.. nevermind
[01:56] <ogra> GotD0t: its just nicer to have a gui :)
[01:56] <GotD0t> cardador: missed the USB
[01:57] <TheStuff> ogra, yes sure  .. its work but no LiveCD available at the moment thats why i did ask :)
[01:57] <JStrike> cardador : It is not too easy if I remember correctly
[01:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: where should I save it so ubuntu can chek it with apt?
[01:57] <cardador> KneelBeforeXorg: i have an ethernet card, but as soon as i enable it, my ppp connection dies
[01:57] <GotD0t> ogra: bah... CUI > GUI where USER=editing config files
[01:58] <cardador> JStrike: i had a shared connection with a cable modem, but now i changed to adsl usb
[01:58] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: either add the repo from the software page or do it with dpkg -i <package.deb> on the commadline
[01:58] <GotD0t> cardador: call up your ISP and tell them they're retarded for sending you a USB modem
[01:58] <cardador> GotD0t: :)
[01:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I dont get it
[01:59] <GotD0t> cardador: they do it so you have to go through them to set up a network
[01:59] <Gmail> crap my mouse is moving funny
[01:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> I download it with my browser?
[01:59] <GotD0t> Gmail: get a new one
[01:59] <cardador> GotD0t: they sent me a crazy modem, and i had to swap it for a speedtouch (better suported on linux)
[01:59] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: http://www.grawert.net/software.html
[01:59] <Gmail> GotD0t: its a new logitech mx700
[02:00] <GotD0t> Gmail: check the battery
[02:00] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: add it to synaptic, hit refresh and install ;)
[02:00] <GotD0t> Gmail: oh... its USB, which means your system is set up to the wrong protocol
[02:00] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i guarantee it will do you no harm (its my site)
[02:01] <GotD0t> Gmail: two choices... change the protocol in your XF86Config-4 file, or use that litle green USB - PS/2 adapter they sent you
[02:01] <Gmail> GotD0t: i have been using it for 9months
[02:01] <Gmail> it is ps2
[02:01] <Gmail> not usd
[02:02] <Gmail> i setted it up using ps/2
[02:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: lol I will nuke you if it attempts to kill me =p
[02:02] <Gmail> restart x
[02:02] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: hehe
[02:02] <Gmail> ahh
[02:02] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: don't trust ogra... he helps everyone who walks in the door in order to gain their trust
[02:03] <Gmail> GotD0t: i went to computer log off and it became normal
[02:03] <ogra> *g*
[02:03] <bash> j #linux
[02:03] <bash> fuc!..
[02:03] <GotD0t> Gmail: well if you've been using it for 9months then you need to do two things, review your definition of the term "new" and check the darned batteries
[02:03] <ogra> GotD0t: got my number
[02:03] <zenpod> hm, gnomebaker looks like it has potential, but no .deb
[02:03] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_:  i know his type
[02:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: than he proposes casual sex right? =p
[02:04] <ogra> zenpod: someone packaged it ....there is a thread on the list....
[02:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: how do I add your site to synaptic?
[02:04] <zenpod> there is? I can't find it on gooogle
[02:04] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: no... he directs you to his website so you can download the nonexistant linux virus ;-)
[02:05] <Gmail> GotD0t: its working and it less than a year old so new
[02:05] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#adding-outside-repositories
[02:05] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: fortunately my repo is the example
[02:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I add it as a source or bin repos?
[02:05] <GotD0t> ogra: does your xDesktopwaves app run smoothly?
[02:05] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_:as you like...one or the other
[02:06] <ogra> GotD0t: not on my piii 600
[02:06] <zenpod> ogra, where can I find a searchable archive of the list?
[02:06] <GotD0t> ogra: haha... it looks cool
[02:06] <GotD0t> ogra: does it use glx?
[02:06] <ogra> GotD0t: havent tried it on faster machines.....
[02:06] <ogra> GotD0t: i dont think so.,....
[02:06] <GotD0t> ogra: isn't it your app?
[02:06] <ogra> GotD0t: its not mine, i just packaged it
[02:07] <GotD0t> ogra: oh... hehe
[02:07] <ogra> GotD0t: it came up here ... a week ago or so.....and there was no pkg
[02:07] <eclipse6> which filesystem is better for storing and accessing MP3's...ReiserFS or XFS?
[02:07] <GotD0t> ogra: that was nice of you
[02:08] <ogra> eclipse6: i would prefer xfs (but i also wouldnt touch reiser)
[02:08] <keknehv|stuffed|> back
[02:08] <eclipse6> ogra, so u think xfs is better for music and stuff?
[02:08] <GotD0t> keknehv|stuffed|: so was it leftovers?
[02:08] <keknehv|stuffed|> Lucky me, 'twas not turkey, but turkey noodle soup
[02:08] <keknehv|stuffed|> YAY!
[02:09] <keknehv|stuffed|> The noodles were homemade... (not pretty, but tasty)
[02:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: added now?
[02:09] <GotD0t> keknehv|stuffed|: haha
[02:09] <ogra> eclipse6: no, i think i wouldnt entrust my data to reiser ;)
[02:09] <keknehv> I digest things fast :D
[02:09] <erik> everyone always bitches about reiserfs integrity
[02:09] <eclipse6> damn...right now i'm running Fedora 3 and it sucks when trying to download stuff thru yum and up2date
[02:09] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: hit reload in synaptic
[02:09] <erik> but I've had less problems with reiser than ext3
[02:10] <EricNeon> morning all
[02:10] <eclipse6> ogra, so xfs is more reliable than reiserfs?
[02:10] <ogra> erik: ive seen whole servers wiping out their disks
[02:10] <erik> ogra: I have too, and it's never been reiserfs's fault
[02:10] <keknehv> Does anyone know how to specify the port that vsftpd uses?
[02:10] <ogra> eclipse6: its more mature
[02:10] <GoneBoB> I had XFS explode on me
[02:10] <GoneBoB> though that was because the disks got unplugged in use
[02:10] <ogra> GoneBoB: whoo, how that ?
[02:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: already reloaded, well it seems unable to find your site =/
[02:11] <ogra> lol
[02:11] <eclipse6> ogra, xfs is a true 64-bit fs, right?
[02:11] <erik> I've had lots of reiserFSs die but only when they were on disks where the SMART logs indicated massive failure
[02:11] <ogra> eclipse6: yep, i think so....as it comes from an ancient 64 bit environment
[02:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: my ault
[02:12] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: got it ?
[02:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra:think so
[02:12] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: great
[02:12] <eclipse6> ok, i'm gonna install using xfs cause fc3 sux
[02:12] <zenpod> I need a decent IDE for pascal for Linux.  Hm.
[02:12] <erik> you can't use XFS as the root and use grub
[02:12] <erik> because grub for some reason dies when you go to install it
[02:12] <ogra> zenpod: wow pascal....
[02:12] <zenpod> ogra, I like it :)
[02:12] <eclipse6> erik, so what should i do?
[02:12] <ogra> zenpod: i learnt it at scholl 20 years ago
[02:12] <keknehv> I had an old disk on an hp computer that kept on saying something like "SMART failure detected. Disk loss iminent. Please backup and replace the disk as soon as possible"
[02:13] <ogra> school
[02:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: http://www.grawert.net/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[02:13] <zenpod> ogra, same place, less time ago, for me.  I use GTK in pascal, etc.  I want to make some nice gnome apps. :)
[02:13] <keknehv> ...and yet it worked for over six months without a hich
[02:13] <keknehv> hich(SP)
[02:13] <erik> eclipse6: well, if the installer will let you use lilo, do that
[02:13] <erik> eclipse6: alternatively make XFS a big partition and put your boot stuff in a smaller partition befor eit
[02:13] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: dont add deb-src
[02:13] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: there are none yet
[02:13] <eclipse6> erik, what's the difference between lilo and grub?
[02:13] <erik> eclipse6: about 800kb *rimshot*
[02:14] <erik> lilo's much smaller
[02:14] <erik> grub is "more modern"
[02:14] <eclipse6> erik, that's it?
[02:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: done! =)
[02:14] <erik> after the machine boots you don't care what bootloader you used anyway
[02:14] <ogra> eclipse6: grub lets you edit its parameters on boot
[02:14] <erik> grub can browse your filessytems too
[02:14] <keknehv> how do you list channels in X-Chat?
[02:14] <eclipse6> well, i don't reall care about that
[02:14] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: startup-settings installs in the Computer->System Tools menu
[02:15] <eclipse6> keknehv, /list
[02:15] <GotD0t> ogra: this waves thing is gonna drive me nuts... haha
[02:15] <keknehv> oh...thanks
[02:15] <ogra> eclipse6: if you have any breakdown or such, you will love thios feature
[02:15] <ogra> GotD0t: lol
[02:15] <ogra> GotD0t: do you try it ?
[02:16] <GotD0t> ogra: yea... but i stopped it and it wont start again
[02:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: Ive ran it on terminal, it appears to dont want to open as I'm logged as a commom user
[02:17] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: run it from the menu or with sudo
[02:17] <GotD0t> ogra: and it wont get rid of the haze over my background
[02:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: From the menu it doesnt want to pen up, Ive ran it fine with sudo
[02:17] <Gmail> i fund a bug
[02:17] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: no ? oh
[02:18] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: did it give an error ?
[02:18] <keknehv> Gmail: what bug?
[02:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: simple doesnt show up
[02:18] <GotD0t> ogra: its stuck
[02:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: by the way I think it is quite right
[02:18] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: not even the password dialog ?
[02:18] <Gmail> gnome-control-center > System tools > Boot == crash x
[02:18] <Gmail> in hoary
[02:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: nothing
[02:18] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: weird
[02:19] <keknehv> anyone know how to make nautilus display fat filesystems correctly? Right now it's showing everything in mine with a foot icon, and they dissapear when right clicked
[02:19] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: could you look in the preferences of the starter ?
[02:19] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i.e. right click the menu entry
[02:19] <GotD0t> ogra: help...
[02:20] <palle> which file do i edit if i want to use enlightenment?
[02:20] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i.e. right click the menu entry and tell me what is there in the command field ?
[02:20] <ogra> GotD0t: ps ax|grep xdesk
[02:20] <ogra> GotD0t: does it show anything ?
[02:21] <GotD0t> ogra: yea... they're al listed as T
[02:21] <ogra> GotD0t: could you try: killall -9 xdesktopwaves
[02:22] <GotD0t> ogra: thanks
[02:22] <palle> which file do i edit if i want to use enlightenment?
[02:22] <keknehv> any idea what the heck EtherApe is supposed to do?
[02:23] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: gksudo startup-settings
[02:23] <ogra> keknehv: visualize your network.....make some traffic if it runs...you will see
[02:23] <keknehv> wow... this is weird
[02:23] <eclipse6> ogra, but since linux has like millions of small files and dirs...maybe i should stick with reiserfs, huh?
[02:24] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: could you run this from the terminal ?
[02:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> world is amazing amazing, my mates have a SEMESTER to do a dumb text editor in pascal, tommorow is the deadline and they call me to have mine
[02:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: yes
[02:24] <ogra> eclipse6: i'm using xfs on several servers, they are fine with xfs....but its your choice
[02:25] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: does it start this way ?
[02:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: yes, starts perfectly from the terminal
[02:25] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i mean  gksudo startup-settings not sudo startup-settings
[02:25] <eclipse6> ok...then i'll give xfs a try
[02:26] <palle> which file do i edit if i want to use enlightenment?
[02:26] <eclipse6> ogra, but i have to use lilo, right?
[02:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> rofl
[02:27] <ogra> eclipse6: just do the grub install twice in the installer........the same goes for reiser
[02:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> my user isnt in the group I will be reported =)
[02:27] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: hmm, you can run things like synaptic ?
[02:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: not as my default user
[02:28] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: ahh....that drops another light on it....i thought it was the app :)
[02:29] <eclipse6> ogra, what do u mean by "install twice"?
[02:29] <melazyboy> can someone eplain what the option that says "CPU Frequency Scaleing Support [failed] " on bootup is refering too?
[02:30] <Evaso> what about ltmodem driver support?
[02:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: but sinaptyc askes me for a root password so I can log on it
[02:30] <ogra> eclipse6: the installer had a serious bug last time i tried it, with reiser as well as with xfs i dunno if it got fixed before the release
[02:31] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: thats what startup-settings is supposed to do too
[02:31] <egon_spengler> melazyboy: Laptop CPUs step up or down to conserve battery power
[02:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: but it doesnt =p
[02:31] <eclipse6> ogra...i think it should be fine cause i'm running downloading the daily build one
[02:31] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: but not root, your pw
[02:31] <ogra> eclipse6: hoary ?
[02:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> well I gtg I must code some stuff for mips till tommorow
[02:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: it askes no pass
[02:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> *asks
[02:31] <melazyboy> egon_spengler: That what i originally thought but then shoulden't that be under a tree for laptops or Pentium Ms rather than independant
[02:31] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: strange
[02:32] <eclipse6> ogra, yes
[02:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> well guys I love you all but mips is calling me, I dont want to see that assembly all over again for beeing chatting on the web =p
[02:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> ciao
[02:32] <ogra> eclipse6: hmm. then it doesnt matter wherther you tahe reiser or xfs....its unstable anyway
[02:33] <ogra> eclipse6: hoary is the development version....it will break from time to time....sometimes just a little bit, sometimes hard
[02:33] <keknehv> ext3 is a 'journaling' filesystem, right? So if I deleted something, how would I restore it?
[02:34] <wasabi> you don't
[02:34] <ogra> keknehv: you cant
[02:34] <wasabi> you misunder stand what journaling means
[02:34] <palle> which file do i edit if i want to use enlightenment?
[02:34] <ogra> keknehv: thats not what journaling means
[02:34] <ogra> palle: just install it
[02:34] <keknehv> what does it mean?
[02:35] <ogra> keknehv: you can pull the plug and your system is still fine on next boot
[02:35] <keknehv> oh... ok
[02:35] <keknehv> Well, I *am* glad for that
[02:35] <keknehv> :D
[02:35] <ogra> keknehv: it watches open files
[02:35] <ogra> keknehv: but rm is rm anyway
[02:36] <wasabi> no
[02:36] <wasabi> tat's not what it means etiher
[02:36] <wasabi> geeze
 whee, SCO got hacked, fun! :)
 http://www.sco.com/redhat/
[02:36] <Gmail> ooops wrong channel
[02:36] <wasabi> journaling means file modifications are done first to a journal area, ordered.
[02:36] <wasabi> and then commited to the normal disk structure
[02:36] <wasabi> in case of a system failure, the data can be rolled back to a consistant state
[02:37] <zenpod> haha, Gmail , lol
[02:37] <ogra> wasabi: simplified: : it watches open files
[02:37] <palle> ogra yes i did install it and tried to run it and it said that it have to edit a file, but how do i switch back to gnome later if i don't know which file it edit's?
[02:37] <wasabi> no
[02:37] <wasabi> that's not even close
[02:37] <wasabi> FAM watches open files
[02:37] <Gmail> zenpod: ROTFL
[02:37] <wasabi> or something, anyways, you're wrong. :0
[02:37] <ogra> wasabi: ok ok ok
[02:38] <ogra> wasabi: givinng up....
[02:40] <eclipse6> RPM packages r really pain in the ass to install
[02:41] <zenpod> alien then
[02:41] <zenpod> it worked me me and xscrabble
[02:41] <eclipse6> huh?
[02:41] <zenpod> alien rpmname
[02:41] <zenpod> poof, a shiny .deb
[02:41] <zenpod> I wanted xscrabble, but could find no .deb, so I grabbed the SuSE RPM and used alien on it
[02:42] <ogra> hmm, shiny is something else i guess
[02:42] <eclipse6> plus it takes longer to install a .rpm file than .deb
[02:44] <zenpod> I'd rather alien an rpm than install from source and not be able to easily remove a package
[02:45] <alka_trash> hey lets get Half life 2 on Linux, sign a partition :  http://cgi.riblet.plus.com/petition.php
[02:45] <ogra> i'd rather build a deb from source
[02:45] <zenpod> alka_trash, I don't want half life 2 for windows, let alone linux :)
[02:45] <zenpod> ogra, ahh, I don't know how to do that.
[02:45] <ogra> zenpod: there is the deb-make command.....
[02:45] <zenpod> maybe I will learn, and make xscrabble debs, and submit them to ubuntu.  Everyone needs xscrabble
[02:45] <alka_trash> but I want it
[02:46] <ogra> zenpod: i would use them if you made them
[02:46] <zenpod> ogra, I will go read up on how to make them
[02:46] <ogra> alka_trash: sign it then ;)
[02:46] <alka_trash> I did
[02:46] <alka_trash> only took about 10 seconds, just FYI
[02:46] <Captain> hi
[02:47] <melazyboy> alka_trash: Half Life 2, will be supported to the full extent w/ Cedaga
[02:47] <zenpod> Cedega is... questionable.
[02:47] <zenpod> imo.
[02:47] <zenpod> gnight ogra
[02:47] <alka_trash> nothing like native support :)
[02:47] <ogra> night guys
[02:48] <wasabi> hl2 won't be native
[02:48] <wasabi> it's directx
[02:48] <Captain> hey does anyone know if geting usb sound working with a xitel MD-PERT AN1 is just a matter of using the extracting digital sound from xmms, there seems to be little google stuff on getting this working unless thi is a given in linux now.
[02:48] <wasabi> that would be... a big rewrite
[02:50] <raja> hello all
[02:50] <zenpod> hi rabidbt
[02:50] <zenpod> er raja
[02:51] <palle> hmmm, when i run who it shows 2 users is online why?
[02:57] <trans_err> is sshd installed and enabled on default?
[02:58] <jdub> no
[02:58] <jdub> apt-get install openssh-server
[02:58] <jdub> it's on the cd
[03:03] <_Imanewbie_> ogra: it is working cool now the problem was the uncommented lines
[03:06] <geppy> Is there a way to make the workspace switcher flash if an event occurs on another workspace, for example;  you get instant messaged on a different workspace.
[03:07] <keknehv> how do you enable php scripting in apache?
[03:08] <jdub> apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[03:08] <geppy> keknehv: Download php.
[03:08] <keknehv> thanks
[03:10] <Attila> Hello. Does the xorg release in hoary include the acecad (serial tablet) module? OR is there an xfree package for debian/ubuntu that includes acecad support?
[03:11] <tux> has anyone not received their cd's from the first initial ship date ?
[03:12] <GotD0t> tux me
[03:12] <tux> ok
[03:12] <GotD0t> tux: why
[03:12] <tux> grand, i haven't gotten any either
[03:12] <GotD0t> tux: when did you order?
[03:12] <tux> ages ago
[03:13] <GotD0t> anybody know of bugs relating to keyboard shortcuts in hoary?
[03:14] <Gwildor> hey, i have a package downloaded from synaptic that doesnt install, gives errors, i was wondering how i could delete that package, so that i can downoad it again
[03:15] <keknehv> how do I set up a MySql database?
[03:16] <lupus_> do a lot of packages depend on emacs or why is it default included?
[03:17] <geppy> lupus_: Lots of people use it.
[03:17] <geppy> That's the same reason that vi and pico are default.
[03:17] <geppy> They're commonly used text editors.
[03:17] <zenpod> nano
[03:17] <zenpod> !!!
[03:18] <jdub> lupus_: it's nice to have sexy unix tools available in the desktop install, even though they're hidden in the system, away from gui users :)
[03:18] <rajasun> zenpod: yeah, nano is a no brainer for n00bs ;-)
[03:18] <jdub> lupus_: looked at an OS X install recently? :)
[03:18] <lupus_> true I can't miss vim :p
[03:18] <zenpod> rajasun, hence it is good
[03:19] <rajasun> zenpod: and that's why Debian and debian-based distros have them as default ;)
[03:19] <rajasun> s/them/it
[03:20] <zenpod> rajasun, good point :)
[03:21] <erik> hey, how can I turn off the stupid PC speaker?
[03:22] <erik> I dist-upgraded hoary a while ago and all of the sudden the damn thing is on again
[03:22] <suchit> do you know the equivalent of rc.conf on ubuntu ?
[03:23] <erik> Nope
[03:23] <suchit> i am trying to do a locate rc.conf
[03:23] <scoon> suchit: try man update-rc.d
[03:23] <suchit> but it does not return anything
[03:23] <scoon> suchit: ? ? ?
[03:24] <suchit> yes i am trying that
[03:24] <scoon> suchit: man pages don't really return anything, you just read them....
[03:25] <erik> oh god, my sound card stopped working too
[03:25] <erik> hmm
[03:25] <erik> They May Be Connected
[03:26] <GotD0t> erik that sounds like the upgrade set the PC speaker to be the default output speaker
[03:27] <lupus_> easytag kicks ass :)
[03:27] <GotD0t> what is easytag?
[03:27] <pancho123123> quien abla espanol pa que me esplique esto
[03:27] <suchit> no...let me explain
[03:27] <suchit> i did a locate rc.conf and this did not return anything
[03:27] <suchit> thats y i asked for an equivalent of rc.conf in ubuntu
[03:27] <scoon> suchit: what do you want to do.
[03:28] <lupus_> GotD0t, to edit id3
[03:28] <Attila> Hello! Could someone using hoary tell me if the xorg package includes the acecad module, please ?
[03:28] <suchit> i am setting up a NAT box
[03:28] <suchit> and would like to use settings specified for BSD
[03:28] <suchit> for which i have documentation
[03:28] <scoon> suchit: maybe check in /etc/default
[03:29] <GotD0t> lupus_ oh cool
[03:29] <suchit> but my machine is a debian / Ubuntu
[03:29] <scoon> suchit: that is a place where defaults, of all things get set up.
[03:29] <suchit> ok thanks
[03:30] <scoon> suchit: if not there, peek /etc/inittab ?  I have not set up a NAT box, so I am not certain what you need.
[03:31] <dad_> hello whats the name of that internet radio thingee?
[03:31] <dad_> shoutcast or something?
[03:31] <zenpod> shoutcast would be it, I think
[03:31] <dad_> thnkee
[03:32] <lupus_> GotD0t, it is in debian experimental ;)
[03:32] <lupus_> so you don't have to build :)
[03:33] <TheStuff> suchit, check this /etc/init.d there is readme file
[03:33] <Xenguy> dad_: I seem to recall something called icecast also - don't know anything about it tho
[03:34] <dad_> thnks ill take a look
[03:36] <stephen87> hi
[03:37] <palle> error: can't open packetdatabase in /var/lib/rpm
[03:38] <palle> why do i get that errormessage??
[03:38] <MagicFab> COuld someone explain Hoary to me ?
[03:38] <jdub> MagicFab: it's the development branch for the next version of ubuntu
[03:38] <jdub> MagicFab: it will be released as a preview in march, and as a final supported version in april
[03:38] <MagicFab> how can I upgrade a package to its "hoary" version...
[03:39] <MagicFab> ?
[03:39] <jdub> you shouldn't do that
[03:39] <jdub> either you upgrade your full system to hoary, or stick with warty
[03:39] <zenpod> Warty is good and stable.
[03:40] <MagicFab> ah, great.
[03:40] <MagicFab> See:https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3254#c5
[03:40] <MagicFab> --> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3254#c5
[03:41] <MagicFab> It seems I am stuck with an unsupported / "bitch to support" scanner
[03:43] <stephen87> does ubuntu support dual processors?
[03:43] <GotD0t> lupus_: doesn't work with UTF-8
[03:44] <lupus_> bleh
[03:44] <GotD0t> lupus_: as in it doesn't work with hoary ;-)
[03:44] <lupus_> I have hoary
[03:44] <GotD0t> lupus_: and its writing?
[03:44] <lupus_> yeah
[03:45] <GotD0t> lupus_: maybe im doing something wrong
[03:45] <lupus_> and my locales is set to UTF-8 so :)
[03:45] <GotD0t> lupus_: maybe i did something wrong
[03:45] <jdub> stephen87: yes, just install the smp kernel
[03:45] <lupus_> ps gimp 2.2 is also in experimental ;)
[03:46] <stephen87> ty: jdub
[03:46] <dad_> cant seem to find that internet radio player thingee ogra told me about yesterday  ...getting old :(
[03:46] <lupus_> looks more userfriendly :)
[03:46] <jdub> stephen87: apt-cache search linux smp :-)
[03:46] <basejumper944> anyone know where i can find a how-to on setting up a Linux box to be like a win nt or 2000 one so as that users can log into the local server?
[03:46] <lupus_> samba
[03:46] <lupus_> look for samba domain controller
[03:46] <basejumper944> ok thanks
[03:47] <lupus_> wow just client?
[03:47] <eclipse> hello
[03:47] <lupus_> or server?
[03:47] <stephen87> jdub: ty
[03:47] <lupus_> nm :)
[03:47] <basejumper944> no just client
[03:48] <basejumper944> i need it to add users and delete them automagicaly
[03:49] <lupus_> euhm
[03:49] <MagicFab> I'd need some help getting the right resolution for a new monitor
[03:49] <jdub> basejumper944: so you can get the users and groups manager in windows to talk to samba like a normal domain controller
[03:50] <jdub> basejumper944: and there are some samba settings that let it do the system dirty work
[03:50] <basejumper944> ok
[03:50] <MagicFab> I've played  abit with the /etx/X11/XF86Config-4 file...
[03:50] <jdub> basejumper944: probably google for "samba administration windows users and groups" or something
[03:50] <MagicFab> but can't seem to get it right. The tech spec are here:
[03:50] <RuffianSoldier> ya ther Klowner_ ?
[03:50] <MagicFab> http://www.benq-eu.com/Products/LCD/index.cfm?product=368&page=specifications&pgid=2
[03:51] <basejumper944> ok thats what i was looking for but juat couldnt find it
[03:51] <lupus_> http://info.ccone.at/INFO/Samba/winbind.html
[03:51] <lupus_> this?
[03:51] <basejumper944> yes!
[03:52] <lupus_> winbind is a component of the Samba suite of programs that solves the unified logon problem. Winbind uses a UNIX implementation of Microsoft RPC calls, Pluggable Authentication Modules, and the Name Service Switch to allow Windows NT domain users to appear and operate as UNIX users on a UNIX machine. This chapter describes the Winbind system, explaining the functionality it provides, how it is configured, and how it works internally.
[03:52] <basejumper944> thanks thats persicely what i was looking for
[03:52] <lupus_> k :)
[03:53] <Sensebend> hey
[03:53] <Sensebend> I need to release and renew an IP
[03:53] <Sensebend> how do I do that?
[03:53] <Sensebend> sorry for the newbish question
[03:53] <lupus_> ifconfig --help
[03:54] <lupus_> sorry :)
[03:54] <lupus_> I'm used to use ipconfig
[03:54] <zenpod> Sensebend, ifconfig eth0 down, dhclient eth0, ifconfig eth0 up
[03:54] <zenpod> ymmv.
[03:54] <lupus_> or restarting networking service
[03:55] <lupus_> but then all cards do that :)
[03:55] <GotD0t> lupus_: do you know how to remove a field from files?
[03:55] <lupus_> what do you mean by field?
[03:55] <lupus_> a spacing?
[03:56] <GotD0t> lupus_: like remove the Album data from all the files?
[03:56] <lupus_> aj
[03:56] <MagicFab> Is there a utility in Ubuntu to configure a monitor (other than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ) ?
[03:56] <Xenguy> GotD0t: do you mean filenames?
[03:57] <lupus_> GotD0t, first select
[03:57] <lupus_> tag files with this field
[03:57] <GotD0t> Xenguy: no... the ID3 tags in mp3 files... he showed this app that batch edits ID3 tags
[03:57] <lupus_> I think :)
[03:57] <Xenguy> GotD0t: ahh
[03:58] <zenpod> mp3 is evil
[03:58] <zenpod> .ogg is good
[03:58] <lupus_> I think I'm going to fill in some enhancement reports for it :)
[03:59] <lupus_> true :)
[03:59] <Sensebend> I vote for FLAC
[03:59] <lupus_> but making ogg files from mp3 is not healthy :p
[03:59] <clee> could lead to cancer
[03:59] <lupus_> hehe :)
[04:00] <lupus_> no just more losing of quality :)
[04:00] <zenpod> but ogg has no patents!
[04:00] <zenpod> mmm.. patent-free-musical-goodness
[04:00] <lupus_> to bad not a lot of music players support ogg :(
[04:00] <Sensebend> FLAC is an open source project
[04:00] <zenpod> Ow!
[04:00] <Sensebend> lol
[04:00] <lupus_> drm is worse then mp3 :p
[04:00] <zenpod> I said I had no idea about it :)
[04:00] <zenpod> lol
[04:01] <Sensebend> stands for free lossless audio codec
[04:01] <Sensebend> http://flac.sourceforge.net/
[04:01] <zenpod> lupus_, iriver supports .ogg, my palm plays them too
[04:01] <Sensebend> best sounding files out there
[04:01] <lupus_> nice
[04:01] <zenpod> Sensebend, lossless? are the files huge?
[04:01] <Sensebend> yeah
[04:01] <lupus_> yes
[04:01] <lupus_> :)
[04:01] <Sensebend> but size doesn't matter
[04:01] <zenpod> ahh, so not to good for portables.
[04:01] <Sensebend> quality does
[04:01] <zenpod> to be frank, I'm not enough of an audiophile to generally notice.
[04:01] <lupus_> 20% smaller then .wav I think :)
[04:02] <zenpod> I'll stick with ogg then, lol, I only have a 128mb SD card for my palm
[04:02] <Sensebend> yeah sounds about lupus_
[04:02] <zenpod> and I can't afford an iRiver iHP 320 right now
[04:02] <lupus_> flac is handy for backupping
[04:03] <s0cks> I got a Rio Karma and a Rio Forge 512 with a 1gb sd card
[04:03] <Sensebend> or useneting * looks arround *
[04:03] <Sensebend> lol
[04:03] <lupus_> I wonder what it would give if you install linux on a flash card
[04:03] <lupus_> how fast it would go
[04:03] <zenpod> I could slap a 1gb card in my palm, but yeah.  I want an iriver though.  I had an ipod mini, but I disliked the AAC
[04:04] <lupus_> and multimedia files and documents put on a hd :)
[04:04] <erik> hey, the new <IP_ADDRESS>-3 linux kernel package in hoary seems to have broken my intel8x0 sound
[04:04] <erik> "Intel ICH: probe of 0000:00:1f.5 failed with error -16
[04:05] <lupus_> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0405.1/0198.html
[04:05] <lupus_> related?
[04:05] <zenpod> erik, that can probably be chocked up to it being hoary..
[04:05] <erik> lemme check
[04:05] <erik> zenpod: not whining, trying to bugreport + fix
[04:06] <zenpod> erik, Oh, no, I wasn't saying you were
[04:06] <zenpod> sorry to give that impression :)
[04:06] <erik> yeah it works in warty fine :p
[04:06] <erik> lupus_: don't think so
[04:06] <davidv> any ideas on how to get NTP running?
[04:07] <erik> davidv: isn't it supposed to just kinda start on boot?
[04:07] <davidv> yes
[04:07] <davidv> however, i never saw an option when installing
[04:07] <davidv> so now i'm trying to manually install
[04:07] <erik>  * Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org...                         [ ok ]
[04:07] <erik> that's from /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[04:08] <erik> it should NTP on boot ... not quite as nice as ntpd though
[04:08] <erik> in debian the package is called ntp-simple
[04:08] <erik> if that helps
[04:08] <davidv> ntp-simple isn't installed, i'll try that
[04:09] <keknehv> just make sure that you install the client, not the server
[04:09] <lupus_> Erik I think it is best to open a bugreport
[04:09] <erik> lupus_: yeah, I'm trying http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.acpi.devel/9265 this
[04:09] <erik> if that works, I think I've seen the bugreport already
[04:09] <davidv> apt won't let me get one without the other
[04:10] <erik> er
[04:10] <davidv> if i check simple it adds server
[04:10] <erik> aren't all NTP clients also servers?
[04:10] <dad_> noone have any idea what i need to play shoutcast streams?
[04:10] <erik> dad_: xmms works
[04:10] <erik> dad_: also mpg123
[04:10] <erik> brb :)
[04:10] <lupus_> I have read about kernel 2.6.9 also having lot of acpi issues
[04:11] <palle> the ip adresses i can get by rightclinking your names is that your real ip-adresses?
[04:12] <zenpod> whois palle
[04:12] <zenpod> er
[04:12] <zenpod> heh
[04:12] <zenpod> yeah looks like
[04:12] <zenpod> freenode doesn't seem to mask
[04:13] <eclipse> hh
[04:14] <palle> hmmz...
[04:14] <palle> okay
[04:14] <eclipse> g.......
[04:14] <Adrenal> whats a bittorent client i can use, that, if i shut down, it will save th dl and allow me to continue later?
[04:14] <Hikaru79> Adrenal, just about all of them
[04:14] <Hikaru79> I reccomend azureus
[04:14] <Hikaru79> http://azureus.sourceforge.net
[04:14] <erik> is there supposed to be a splash screen on boot?
[04:14] <eclipse> dd
[04:14] <Adrenal> that needs java
[04:14] <erik> I've never seen one with ubuntu ... hoary or warty
[04:14] <Hikaru79> Yes, it does
[04:14] <erik> but I see this "splash" option in menu.lst
[04:15] <Adrenal> any known java ones?
[04:15] <Hikaru79> You can get java at http://java.sun.com
[04:15] <erik> java is a bit torrent client
[04:15] <Hikaru79> You mean non-java?
[04:15] <Adrenal> *non java
[04:15] <erik> er
[04:15] <erik> aaurgh
[04:15] <erik> azureus is a java bt client
[04:15] <eclipse> hey i just got like tons of Ubuntu CD's few days ago
[04:15] <Hikaru79> Adrenal, you can get the "gnome-btdownload" package from synaptic
[04:15] <Adrenal> that java is only an rpm though
[04:15] <erik> gnome-btdownload is a good GNOME client
[04:15] <Hikaru79> Not exactly full of features but it does the job
[04:15] <Hikaru79> Xenguy, whatcha waiting for?
[04:15] <erik> personally I just use screen + btdownloadheadless
[04:16] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: CDs...
[04:16] <Hikaru79> w00t for Azureus :D
[04:16] <Hikaru79> Oh, your Ubuntu CD's?
[04:16] <Hikaru79> Me too :(
[04:16] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: ordered them just before the Nov 11 deadline
[04:16] <Hikaru79> When'd you order?
[04:16] <Hikaru79> Heh, I ordered them in October... still nothing ;_;
[04:16] <Xenguy> eclipse: when did you order?
[04:16] <Sensebend> yeah same with me Hikaru79
[04:16] <Sensebend> I don't mind though
[04:16] <Hikaru79> :P
[04:16] <Sensebend> I was just gonna pass them out
[04:16] <Hikaru79> I live in Canada though, so maybe that's why
[04:17] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: me too
[04:17] <Sensebend> I have a fast enough internet connection
[04:17] <Hikaru79> BTW, anyone know a good graphical FTP client for Linux?
[04:17] <eclipse> xenguy, like a month ago
[04:17] <Adrenal> ok, how do i install the java then?
[04:17] <Hikaru79> Adrenal, did you download the SDK?
[04:17] <scoon> Hikaru79: gftp
[04:17] <Xenguy> eclipse: good, that means mine are coming and might get here before Xmas :-)
[04:17] <Hikaru79> Thanks, scoon :)
[04:18] <Hikaru79> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp  <-- Download this, Adrenal
[04:18] <eclipse> i just installed the one that they sent me
[04:18] <scoon> Hikaru79: np, it also comes w/ a CLI
[04:18] <Hikaru79> And follow these instructions: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/install-linux.html
[04:18] <Hikaru79> CLI?
[04:18] <eclipse> after using hoary for a month...too many bugs so i switched back to warty
[04:18] <Adrenal> jre?
[04:18] <scoon> Hikaru79: Command Line Interface
[04:18] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: command line interface
[04:18] <Hikaru79> No
[04:18] <Hikaru79> Not the JRE
[04:18] <Hikaru79> The SDK
[04:18] <Hikaru79> Er
[04:18] <Hikaru79> Wait
[04:18] <Hikaru79> Never mind
[04:18] <Hikaru79> JRE is fine, you just want to run Azureus
[04:19] <Hikaru79> SDK will work too, but unnecesary. JRE is enough
[04:19] <Adrenal> kk
[04:19] <erik> yeah this was just the old pci=noacpi kernel bug
[04:19] <erik> why does linux suck so much :(
[04:19] <Hikaru79> Synaptic is getting gftp :)
[04:19] <Adrenal> and the one which doesn't say rpm?
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Yes
[04:20] <Hikaru79> The source tarball
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Er
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Actually, it's a binary
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Just non-RPM
[04:20] <erik> are you downloading java from sun?
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Instruction is easy
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Yes, he is
[04:20] <erik> there's a nice deb source for it
[04:20] <Hikaru79> :| Are you serious?
[04:20] <erik> yes
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Gah, why'd I never learn of this ;_;
[04:21] <erik> hang on
[04:21] <OS_Tiberius-L-> disconnect
[04:21] <OS_Tiberius-L-> oops
[04:21] <Xenguy> erik: do tell :-)
[04:21] <erik> deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[04:21] <erik> that might be it
[04:21] <erik> let me go check the ubuntu wiki where they tell you all about it
[04:22] <erik> the package is called j2re1.4
[04:22] <erik> and j2sdk1.4
[04:22] <Adrenal> both?
[04:22] <erik> well
[04:22] <erik> depending on if you want the SDK or just the JRE
[04:22] <erik> you have to go into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins and ln -s the plugins in there
[04:22] <erik> if you want firefox java plugins
[04:22] <zenpod> erik, that's the hard way
[04:23] <scoon> erik: no
[04:23] <erik> not compared to installing from sun ...
[04:23] <zenpod> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:23] <zenpod> method 2
[04:23] <scoon> erik: ~/.mozilla/plugins
[04:23] <erik> scoon: I suppose
[04:23] <scoon> erik: ln -s to there.
[04:23] <erik> at any rate
[04:23] <erik> the deb works great for me
[04:24] <erik> it's not java 5 but as I don't even know what's new in java 5 I think I'll be all right :)
[04:24] <zenpod> file you need is http://neo.caslab.queensu.ca/~bhall/jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[04:24] <Hikaru79> Thanks, scoon :) gftp looks good
[04:24] <Hikaru79> I'll be back on soon asking about vsftpd config options ;P
[04:24] <Hikaru79> BRB
[04:24] <scoon> Hikaru79: one of my fav's.  been using it for years.
[04:24] <Adrenal> i already installed j2re-1.4.2-01-linux-i586.bin
[04:24] <Adrenal> a while back
[04:24] <Adrenal> can i just use that?
[04:25] <erik> are there any good graphical scp/sftp clients?
[04:25] <erik> if you're not using nautilus
[04:25] <zenpod> erik, does gftp not work?
[04:25] <erik> gftp does scp/sftp??
[04:25] <Adrenal> what can i use instead of nautilus?
[04:25] <zenpod> erik, I do not know
[04:25] <erik> Adrenal: well, I don't use a filemanager at all heh
[04:25] <Adrenal> i...c
[04:26] <Adrenal> ok
[04:26] <erik> but there are alternatives
[04:26] <Adrenal> so which one do i get?
[04:26] <Adrenal> link?
[04:26] <zenpod> erik, http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Using_gFTP_with_ssh_sftp.html
[04:26] <erik> zenpod: neat
[04:28] <Adrenal> whcih java do i use?
[04:29] <melazyboy> fglrx needs fixing... =/
[04:29] <erik> Adrenal: I recommend "option 1" from the wiki java page
[04:29] <erik> there are naysayers here who claim otherwise
[04:29] <erik> so ....
[04:29] <erik> you pick :)
[04:29] <Adrenal> erik
[04:29] <Adrenal> link
[04:29] <Adrenal> which ever one is easier
[04:30] <erik> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:33] <lobo_nz> I want to install perlmagick but I get a dependancy problem perlmagick wants libmagick6 5:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 but I have 5:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1.1 is there an easy way to resolve this?
[04:35] <romeo_> I'm having trouble installing a .deb package, would someone be willing to try to help me figure this out?
[04:36] <Xenguy> romeo_: ask and find out :-)
[04:38] <Rene_S> Hola funky Ubuntu freaks
[04:38] <romeo_> well, I'm trying to install mpeg4ip-libs which is a dependancy of faac, but when it goes to install it errors out with an error that says can't overwrite /usr/lib/libmp4v2.so.0.0.0 of another package. I've tried just moving the other file so it wouldn't have a problem overwriting it but I'm still getting the same error. What gives?
[04:40] <Hikaru79> Try running the dpkg command with sudo?
[04:40] <hypa7ia> hey Rene_S!
[04:40] <romeo_> i am running it with sudo, good tip though :)
[04:41] <aitrus> anyone have an idea why transcode isn't in main/restricted/universe or even multiverse?
[04:41] <Hikaru79> Hm, I see =./
[04:41] <Hikaru79> Aitirus, legal issues
[04:41] <Hikaru79> There is a special repository for it though
[04:41] <Hikaru79> Lemme get it for you
[04:41] <aitrus> thanks
[04:41] <lil_anthony> question: i downloaded the deb package of xfonts-artwiz but for some reason when i type xfontsel in terminal i do not see the font? after trying to find the answer on google closest i came was xset fp+ /pathname but i get an error can someone please help
[04:42] <AngryLogic> romeo: it doesn't matter that you moved the file, apt shows it belonging to another package and so in its database that file is still there.
[04:42] <Hikaru79> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/     Distribution: testing     Sections: main
[04:42] <Hikaru79> Add that repo :)
[04:42] <aitrus> thanks
[04:42] <Hikaru79> NP
[04:42] <Sensebend> that's a good repo ;)
[04:42] <Sensebend> you criminal
[04:42] <Sensebend> 1/2 the stuff in that repo is illegal
[04:42] <Sensebend> lol
[04:43] <Sensebend> stupid proprietary codecs and file formats
[04:43] <romeo_> AngryLogic: Thanks, what should I do, uninstall the other package maybe?
[04:43] <AngryLogic> romeo_: you'll have to find whatever package owned that file originally and remove it.
[04:43] <romeo_> AngryLogic: I'll try that. Thanks
[04:44] <Gmail> Sensebend: why is it illegal its just not legal thats all
[04:44] <kensai> is there an mplayer repository that works on warty?
[04:44] <erik> kensai: check out RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[04:45] <kensai> erik, that one don't work is a broken mplayer
[04:45] <zenpod> uhhh
[04:45] <Sensebend> lol Gmail
[04:45] <zenpod> ftp.nerim(sp).net
[04:45] <erik> hm
[04:45] <zenpod> that one works
[04:45] <erik> dunno, I'm on hoary
[04:45] <Sensebend> proprietary formats bother me
[04:46] <Sensebend> I proprietary software doesn't
[04:46] <zenpod> URI:            ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[04:46] <zenpod> Distribution:   testing (use unstable here if you are using hoary)
[04:46] <zenpod> Section(s):     main
[04:46] <kensai> erik, I was in hoary which worked for you? I'll go to hoary in a few days again
[04:46] <Sensebend> as long as the data is in a format that is universal
[04:46] <zenpod> that one works
[04:46] <erik> kensai: nerim.net
[04:46] <kensai> erik,ok
[04:46] <kensai> erik, didn't worked neither on hoary
[04:47] <jessta> hey all, I'm wondering if it's possible to do a warty install from the livecd?
[04:47] <kensai> erik, it hangs when loading
[04:47] <zenpod> kensai, check your ao and vo settings for mplayer
[04:47] <zenpod> If they're not right, it won't work.
[04:47] <kensai> zenpod, thats like japanese? ao vo?
[04:47] <zenpod> on my notebook, ONLY vo=gl2 worked
[04:47] <zenpod> audio and video out settings.
[04:47] <erik> kensai: ah
[04:47] <zenpod> read the manpage :P
[04:47] <erik> kensai: run mplayer -ao esd
[04:48] <erik> kensai: GNOME is retarded and grabs control of your soundcard with esd
[04:48] <kensai> erik,ok and thats all?
[04:48] <erik> yep
[04:48] <erik> should do the trick
[04:48] <erik> try -ao null or -vo null too to turn off audio and video respectively
[04:48] <erik> see if you can get something going that way ... it'll help narrow it down
[04:48] <zenpod> erik, I don't think that's such a bad thing generally, as long as all your apps work well with it.  Gnome needs to somehow make all program that use OSS pipe through esd... that'd make life easy
[04:49] <rajasun> erik: think esd will be replaced by polypaudio in GNOME 2.10 though
[04:49] <erik> still like
[04:49] <zenpod> or linux needs vchans like freebsd has, so you can assign apps to use like /dev/dsp0, /dev/dsp1, etc.
[04:49] <erik> a userspace mixing daemon is retarded.
[04:49] <erik> alsa should just provide mixing for cards that don't support hardware mixing
[04:49] <erik> so everyone can use /dev/dsp and be happy
[04:49] <zenpod> erik, imo linux needs to work like windows and just work.
[04:49] <zenpod> yes.
[04:50] <zenpod> hm
[04:50] <kensai> zenpod, please don't put Linux and that other thing they call an Operating system on the same line ;)
[04:50] <zenpod> kensai, lol
[04:51] <kensai> zenpod, Windows xp is like the 9th beta release?
[04:51] <kensai> they are still beta testing it
[04:51] <zenpod> lol
[04:52] <rajasun> zenpod: like windows? just work? why not be better i.e. be like OS X? but with more room for power users to tweak settings till their hearts delight
[04:53] <zenpod> rajasun, yes, of course, but I mean, I want my gf to be able to use the computer w/o having totem lock up on her when she makes the mistake of playing music in xmms and trying to watch a video clip at once :)
[04:55] <kensai> zenpod, just tweak it for her so she won't have any problems again just the way window is tweaked for dummys.
[04:55] <rajasun> zenpod: I think for that to happen Linux has to redesign how diff apps gets time with regards to use of sound server
[04:56] <zenpod> for now, I just set *everything* to use ESD and let gnome handle it
[04:56] <zenpod> seems to work...
[04:56] <zenpod> xmms, totem, mplayer, etc.
[04:56] <rajasun> zenpod: I guess you are not alone in not liking esd much ;-)
[04:56] <kensai> zenpod, Just think that Windows does all that risking Stability and security thats why it is the less stable and secure os in the market
[04:58] <kensai> If Linux were to give all that easy to configure and handle than even my grandma can use it without not knowing what a computer is then linux will be infeccted
[04:58] <Gmail> crap xfce has some features gnome needs
[04:58] <Gmail> like a menu editor
[04:58] <kensai> Gmail, Gnome has menu editor
[04:58] <Gmail> settings maniger (gnome-control-center is crap)
[04:58] <kensai> Gmail, right click on it
[04:59] <Gmail> kensai: thats a peace of crap
[04:59] <rajasun> kensai: but the prob is a lot of users are so attuned to the instability and insecurity by design philosophy of windows, they can't care less. Convenience is what they desire utmost. Not saying this is right though. But I guess MS do understand what the average Joe/Mary out there is like
[04:59] <zenpod> see, that's the thing.  I need gnome to work as easily as Windows to a user who just expects the computer to do things.
[05:00] <zenpod> Trying to convice my gf that 'yeah, it's ok that this program doesn't work when that one is running, because it's secure!' just will get me nowhere, lol
[05:00] <Gmail> kensai: look at http://www.us.xfce.org/images/screenshots/default3.png
[05:00] <Gmail> its in the background at the left
[05:00] <kensai> rajasun and zenpod, If thats the way we are going to be mainstream doing that. Then I hope by Heart Linux never makes it mainstream
[05:01] <zenpod> kensai, Mac OS X did it.. why can't linux?
[05:01] <zenpod> I just can't run OS X, not owning a mac and all.
[05:01] <kensai> zenpod, mac os x is closed it is closed and never be open
[05:01] <kensai> Gmail, thats kool
[05:01] <Gmail> SOMEONE port thats menu editor
[05:01] <zenpod> kensai, Darwin is hardly closed. Just the nice GUI stuff is.
[05:02] <rajasun> kensai: I'm not saying we ought to ape MS in all their ways and definitely we should never be daft enough to dump everything into the kernel but the minor things e.g. UI, desktop integration, n00b friendly documentation are must haves
[05:02] <Hikaru79> Are there any easy-to-use graphical FTP server softwares to save me all the headache that is vsftpd? =/ You know, like Windows' G6 Bulletproof FTP server
[05:02] <Gmail> gftp
[05:03] <Hikaru79> Gmail, that's a CLIENT
[05:03] <Hikaru79> I need a SERVER
[05:03] <kensai> rajasun, take for example Mandrake it is like windows thats why Mandrake is the biggest piece of * and the most buggy linux. Because of being newbie friendly. I hope Linux never gets that way.
[05:03] <zenpod> kensai, um, mandrake is a linux distro.
[05:03] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: why graphical server? thats pointless
[05:03] <Gmail> Hikaru79: vhcs.net
[05:03] <zenpod> and frankly, ubuntu is more newbie friendly than mandrake.
[05:04] <kensai> zenpod, trying to be like windows thats why
[05:04] <AngryLogic> Hikaru: do you want a graphical server or just a graphical configuration utility for a server?
[05:04] <Hikaru79> Just a graphical configuration utility
[05:04] <Hikaru79> Because I've been ripping my hair out for the last week trying to make vsftpd work properly
[05:04] <kensai> zenpod, thats what you an I believe because we have used Linux before but give mandrake and Ubuntu to a n00b he will go with mandrake
[05:04] <Hikaru79> So far, I've got it locally accepting anonymous connections
[05:04] <Hikaru79> Forget global connections :P
[05:04] <Hikaru79> Simply won't work
[05:05] <zenpod> kensai, Mandrake is still better than Windows :)
[05:05] <kensai> zenpod, a little
[05:05] <zenpod> Once I get my new motherboard on monday, this system is becoming Linux-only
[05:05] <rajasun> kensai: don't get me wrong. I'm all for stability and security and do e.g. suggest cmdline apt over gui synaptic but we can sure work on the UI and other stuff mentioned above
[05:05] <zenpod> then I have to show my gf and roommate how to use Linux.
[05:05] <Gmail> kensai: not when ubuntu hoary comes out so many new features
[05:06] <kensai> rajasun, thats right you are very right
[05:06] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: i don't know of any graphical utilities, i use proftpd which is easy to setup
[05:06] <zenpod> Linux should work for all levels of user
[05:06] <Rene_S> an etcha-sketch is better than windows
[05:06] <rajasun> and in this respect, Ubuntu with GNOME is the right way to go for those who want a useable desktop
[05:06] <zenpod> I use commandline alot, but hey.
[05:06] <jdub> kensai: mandrake is not buggy because it's "newbie friendly".
[05:06] <zenpod> rajasun, quite.  Gnome is nice.
[05:06] <s0cks> ( . Y . )
[05:06] <Hikaru79> proftpd, eh? You got it going the way you like?
[05:07] <kensai> Gmail, yep it is going to be the bomb but I still belive it will not be user friendly neither to the point of mandrake and if it is then I switch back to debian
[05:07] <s0cks>      \/
[05:07] <kurtw> Hikaru79, Do you have a firewall running?
[05:07] <kensai> jdub, in part yes
[05:07] <Hikaru79> kurtw, not a firewall. I do have a router, but I forwarded all the correct ports
[05:07] <zenpod> I need to set up the home system to run Apache/PHP/MySQL, and still function normally
[05:07] <jdub> kensai: there is no logical link between "buggy" and "newbie friendly".
[05:07] <zenpod> I am guessing those won't take tons of system resources?
[05:07] <kensai> jdub, also they did everything wrong
[05:07] <zenpod> does anyone know?
[05:07] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: yup,, but i only allow 3 people access :)
[05:07] <Hikaru79> I've got Apache, MySQL, and PHP working fine on the server computer. But vsftpd is beyond me >>
[05:07] <rajasun> zenpod: hehe...seldom use any other DE maybe Xfce but there's just that something about GNOME that keeps luring me back. guess you know what I mean ;-)
[05:08] <jdub> zenpod: they don't, really.
[05:08] <kurtw> Hikaru79, Run an nmap from an external source to verify that the ports are open and working
[05:08] <Hikaru79> |Quad|, that's OK :) I only need it to upload pieces of the website anyway
[05:08] <Hikaru79> 'external source' means not from within the same LAN right?
[05:08] <zenpod> jdub, cool.. since I can't afford a dedicated server pc at the moment, and I have to build the media server for mythtv first...
[05:08] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: it shouldn't be bad, proftpd is pretty easy
[05:08] <kensai> Anyways when Linux becomes mainstream there will be Hurd to save the OS
[05:08] <zenpod> jdub, just have to host the GF's blog.
[05:08] <kurtw> Hikaru79, yes.  Msg me is you need a hand doing a scan from remote.
[05:08] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: whats your ip, i will portscan you
[05:08] <zenpod> kensai, yes, and Duke Nuken Forever will run on it.
[05:08] <Hikaru79> |Quad|, <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:09] <zenpod> *Nukem.
[05:09] <kensai> zenpod, why will I need it ?
[05:09] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: scanning
[05:09] <jdub> kensai: that makes no sense at all.
[05:09] <Hikaru79> Thanks ^ ^
[05:09] <zenpod> kensai, er... nevermind, it was a joke :)
[05:09] <|QuaD|> is hurd a monolithic kernel?
[05:09] <zenpod> hurd is based on mach microkernel, I think
[05:09] <kensai> zenpod, I know I was replying with a sarscams
[05:09] <Hikaru79> But if I have multiple computers running on that IP, each with different ports forwarded, will the scan return the total ports from every one of them?
[05:09] <zenpod> kensai, ahh, sarcasm over irc.  I always miss it. :)
[05:09] <kensai> zenpod, spelled it wrong sorry
[05:09] <palle> are there any good firewalls for linux?
[05:10] <palle> since i have like 10 ports open
[05:10] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: yup
[05:10] <AngryLogic> palle: try iptables
[05:10] <palle> and i feel a little unsecure
[05:10] <Hikaru79> Ah, OK :)
[05:10] <|QuaD|> zenpod: microkernels are supposedly better
[05:10] <kurtw> palle, FireStarter
[05:10] <palle> angrylogic: iptables?
[05:10] <rajasun> kensai: there's anough room for all the oses including hobbyist ones. But sure like what will come out of the kFreeBSD and Debian GNU/NetBSD projects though
[05:10] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: disconnect the other comps?
[05:10] <palle> thnx kurtw
[05:10] <Hikaru79> Why?
[05:10] <zenpod> |QuaD|, that's because, afaik, they don't require a reboot to install/uninstall drivers, etc.
[05:10] <kensai> jdub, Youre getting me wrong or I'm not explaining very well. I refer it Linux comes to be like windows
[05:10] <Xenguy> palle: shorewall
[05:11] <Hikaru79> As long as the correct ports turn up *somewhere*, it's all good right?
[05:11] <rajasun> palles: firestarter
[05:11] <|QuaD|> zenpod: i was told they are more effecient also, dunno though
[05:11] <Hikaru79> The only comp with ports 20-22 opened is the server computer, so if your scan shows them as open, it's all good
[05:11] <jdub> kensai: that has nothing to do with being "newbie friendly".
[05:11] <zenpod> |QuaD|, I don't know much about OS theory or anything, so I couldn't comment.
[05:11] <rajasun> palle: or fireHOL
[05:11] <|QuaD|> zenpod: me neither
[05:11] <|QuaD|> maybe i will look into hurd... how is the support for it?
[05:12] <kurtw> Hikaru79, Either your ISP is blocking traffic our your router is not configured correctly.  I was not able to return any ports being open.  I just scanned from three different major ISP's with the same results.
[05:12] <zenpod> |QuaD|, HURD is so unfinished.
[05:12] <zenpod> heh.
[05:12] <|QuaD|> haha
[05:12] <zenpod> it'll be done when DNF is done, I expect.
[05:12] <kensai> jdub, I know, but the problem behing Windows being unstable is newbie friendlyness and there are some analyst that has proven this point
[05:12] <Hikaru79> T_T Wha-?
[05:12] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: re: FTPD's: the big 3 (not counting wu, which regularly shows security holes like a mac truck) appear to be proftpd, vsftpd, and pure-ftpd -- FWIW
[05:12] <Hikaru79> But I know some of them are open for sure. Like, my Apache server works, for example
[05:12] <rajasun> zenpod: give another 10 years...Hurd may not even be finished then lol
[05:12] <|QuaD|> zenpod: dnf?
[05:12] <zenpod> kensai, that is entirely fallacious logic
[05:12] <Hikaru79> Apache wouldn't work without 80 being forwarded right?
[05:12] <zenpod> |QuaD|, Duke Nukem Forever
[05:12] <jdub> kensai: no, there is no logical link between "instability" and "newbie friendliness".
[05:12] <melazyboy> Does anyone knwo where VIA is in the 2.6.x menuconfig
[05:12] <kensai> zenpod, prove it wrong and I'll believe it
[05:13] <zenpod> Hikaru79, generally, no
[05:13] <|QuaD|> zenpod: lo
[05:13] <|QuaD|> *lol
[05:13] <Hikaru79> Therefore, if my Apache works, my forwarding of 80 must've worked...
[05:13] <zenpod> melazybo2, via what?
[05:13] <kurtw> Hikaru79, Scratch that, I just got the port list.
[05:13] <zenpod> Hikaru79, IP?
[05:13] <Hikaru79> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:13] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: my scan isn't over yet
[05:13] <Hikaru79> Ah, I see kurtw :)
[05:13] <kensai> jdub, then prove it wrong, To believe something I just need someone prove what the analyst says worng
[05:14] <zenpod> Hikaru79, connection refused here
[05:14] <Hikaru79> zenpod, connection refused when doing what?
[05:14] <melazyboy> zenpod: Im having a problem with getting DMA to work i googled, it said i needed to enable VIA in the kernel, i can't find it i must have disabled it on accident
[05:14] <zenpod> kensai, in debate, burden of proof is on the one making the claims.  You prove it's right :)
[05:14] <kurtw> Hikaru79, connection is refused but the port is open.
[05:14] <Hikaru79> Connection refused for what?
[05:14] <zenpod> Hikaru79, trying to http to that UP
[05:14] <Hikaru79> The webserver?
[05:14] <zenpod> *IP
[05:14] <Hikaru79> Oh, it's off
[05:14] <zenpod> yes
[05:14] <Gmail> kensai: ubuntu is already user friendly
[05:14] <Hikaru79> Want me to turn it on?
[05:14] <zenpod> oh ok
[05:14] <zenpod> sure
[05:14] <Hikaru79> Lemme go put it on
[05:14] <rajasun> hmmm anyone having probs connecting to http://www.irssi.org/scripts/? or is it just me?
[05:14] <kurtw> Hikaru79, Is vsftp set to listen on your LAN interface?
[05:14] <jdub> kensai: "the analyst" means nothing. a huge proportion of windows instability is due to third party drivers and software. "newbie friendliness" has nothing to do with software or system robustness.
[05:14] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: permission to scan your IP?
[05:15] <zenpod> rajasun, works here
[05:15] <jdub> kensai: it's not a matter of proof, it's a matter of logic.
[05:15] <|QuaD|> zenpod: according to the hurd website, it looks pretty developed
[05:15] <rajasun> zenpod: hmmm
[05:15] <|QuaD|> are there anyother microkernel os's?
[05:15] <kensai> jdub, But I believe your point on what youre trying to say. I'm just adding that caring to much about user friendlynes makes it more unstable but this a windows problem what I said about mandrake was to much exageration
[05:15] <zenpod> |QuaD|, read the install docs.
[05:15] <jdub> kensai: you are wrong. sorry.
[05:16] <|QuaD|> ok
[05:16] <kensai> Then this is not a windows problem?
[05:16] <kensai> then windows is the mot stable os?
[05:16] <zenpod> kensai, sacrificing stability in favour of user friendliness would be silly.  Doing both is good sense.
[05:16] <rajasun> |QuaD|: othe microkernel oses? maybe Haiku
[05:16] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: OK I won't scan your IP
[05:16] <jdub> kensai: my dishwasher is very user friendly. i did not need to read the manual. also, it does not flood my kitchen.
[05:16] <Hikaru79> Back
[05:16] <Hikaru79> OK, apache is on
[05:16] <Hikaru79> Xenguy, it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:16] <jdub> kensai: dude, there is *no connection* between "user friendly" and "unstable". you cannot infer anything about one from the other.
[05:16] <Hikaru79> http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:16] <kensai> jdub, thats totally different, programming is other world
[05:17] <zenpod>  	Linux webserver <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686
[05:17] <jdub> kensai: i don't think windows is particularly stable or friendly.
[05:17] <zenpod> it works, Hikaru79
[05:17] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: OK, I'll scan your IP :-)
[05:17] <jdub> kensai: it is a logical demonstration.
[05:17] <Hikaru79> kurtw: What do you mean? I can connect to the ftp from within the lan, but from anywhere else, it's 'connection refused'
[05:17] <jdub> kensai: you are conflating two entirely separate issues.
[05:17] <kensai> Programing is what can make this little error
[05:17] <zenpod> Hikaru79, you have ipv6 enabled?
[05:17] <jdub> kensai: no, that is also wrong.
[05:17] <Hikaru79> I believe not
[05:17] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: that sounds like a forwarding problem
[05:17] <zenpod> Hikaru79, check your port forwarding on your router.
[05:18] <zenpod> Hikaru79, and you do have IPv6 enabled, apache says so.
[05:18] <kurtw> Hikaru79, check the port forwarding on the router.
[05:18] <zenpod> Hikaru79, if you don't use it, turning it off can speed things up a bit
[05:18] <Hikaru79> It's not, because I forwarded port 80 in the same way as port 20-21 and port 80 works so why wouldn't 20-21?
[05:18] <kensai> then I can make a program not caring about the bugs I left behind and make it the most user friendly?
[05:18] <Hikaru79> I'm 99% sure the problem is in my conf file... I'm not experienced enough yet to understand half of these paramaters that I have to set
[05:18] <jdub> kensai: you are conflating two entirely separate issues.
[05:18] <kensai> It'll still unstable
[05:18] <eclipse> zenpod, how do u know if ipv6 is enabled?
[05:19] <zenpod> eclipse, it's on by default in ubuntu
[05:19] <zenpod> iirc
[05:19] <kensai> jdub, then sorry I didn't explained well my point
[05:19] <jdub> kensai: your point is wrong. you have made a logical mistake.
[05:19] <eclipse> zenpod, so if i disable that my internet connection will be faster or more responsive?
[05:19] <zenpod> eclipse, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=firefox
[05:20] <eclipse> cool, thnx
[05:20] <melazyboy> Anyone know what you have to enablee in the kernel to get dma working
[05:20] <Hikaru79> BRB
[05:20] <kensai> jdub,I'm just trying to find the articles of those two Computer engineers that bringed up this issue
[05:20] <zenpod> er http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 w/o the highlighting :D
[05:20] <zenpod> melazybo2, it ought to be on by default.  Make sure it's enabled in your BIOS
[05:21] <melazyboy> zenpod: It is, and i recompiled my own kernel, and i think i might have disabled it
[05:21] <melazyboy> zenpod: Any idea of what needs to be enabled to get it working?
[05:21] <kensai> jdub, anyways I believe your right. My point is wrong in the way that I don't know how to explain it well. My first language is spanish ;)
[05:21] <zenpod> melazyboy, ahhh.  Not offhand, I know it's in the kernel config.  make xconfig or menuconfig and go looking, I guess.
[05:22] <melazyboy> im looking and not seeing =[
[05:22] <melazyboy> Found it
[05:22] <melazyboy> how silly
[05:23] <zenpod> melazyboy, there ya go :)
[05:24] <melazyboy> its under the parrent tree of generic/default ide chipset support
[05:24] <kensai> Gnite
[05:24] <|QuaD|> has the stability of gnome improved any in hoary?
[05:24] <kensai> |QuaD|, it has decreased
[05:24] <zenpod> kensai, I'm on XP and it hasn't crashed for days.
[05:24] <Hikaru79> Well, it's still a development
[05:24] <|QuaD|> ??
[05:25] <Hikaru79> *al version
[05:25] <|QuaD|> kensai: what ?
[05:25] <kensai> |QuaD|, we are waiting for 2.10
[05:25] <Hikaru79> It'll be stable enough by the time it's ready for release right?
[05:25] <Hikaru79> kensai is an ubuntu developer?
[05:25] <kensai> Nope
[05:25] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: do you mind if I /msg you?
[05:25] <|QuaD|> kensai: my question is is it any more stable? i looked at it 2 weeks ago and it was having problems
[05:26] <kensai> |QuaD|, it is 2.9.1 development version right now
[05:26] <zenpod> I'd just wait until april for hoary
[05:26] <kensai> |QuaD|, maybe more stable than two weeks ago not that much
[05:26] <Hikaru79> Xenguy of course not :)
[05:26] <|QuaD|> zenpod: i am
[05:26] <|QuaD|> jsut trying to figure out the status
[05:26] <|QuaD|> kensai: alright :0
[05:26] <|QuaD|> :)
[05:27] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: very well
[05:27] <kensai> zenpod, I was just joking about XP doesn't have sense of Humor?
[05:27] <hoffman> ver
[05:27] <zenpod> kensai, nah, I do :)
[05:27] <Hikaru79> Xenguy, I meant I don't mind... you can /msg me, of course1
[05:27] <Hikaru79> *!
[05:27] <melazyboy> wait
[05:27] <melazyboy> does pci ide only apply to ide card connected through expansion slots
[05:27] <kensai> zenpod, I think overall XP is good...... If you want to die of a heart disease because of all the bugs and infestation LOL
[05:27] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: I thought so, but it is considered good form to ask first ;-)
[05:28] <Hikaru79> ^ ^
[05:28] <georgia> melazyboy: no
[05:28] <melazyboy> georgia: Hrm thats how i read it, what does PCI have to do with IDE then and why is the DMA option under that tree
[05:29] <kensai> Sorry for the minutes ago I think I was a bit exalted by the idea Linux can become like Windows but now I'm confident it won't
[05:29] <kensai> Long live Linus Torvald ! Hurrayy!
[05:29] <georgia> melazyboy: your ide controller on board is actually on the pci bus, its not in a slot, but it is on that bus, and its the pci us that allows DMA
[05:29] <reversal> What are some repositories I can add for apt, amd64-wise?
[05:30] <melazyboy> georgia: Wow good information did not know that. i thought the pci bus branched off the ide bus
[05:30] <georgia> nope, its the other way round.
[05:31] <georgia> just abotu every onboard device is actually a device on the pci bus
[05:32] <melazyboy> georgia: Well one more question since you seem to know your stuff, my computer is working fine now with 'generic pci ide chipset support' built in or compiled as module from the kernel, what exactly does that do, and will i need it to use DMA which is located in the same tree under 'pci ide chipset support'
[05:32] <melazyboy> err working fine without *
[05:34] <georgia> to be honest i'm not entirely sure, never done much kernel tweaking, i can almost always get away with stock kernels. i'm more of a hardware girl than a software girl.
[05:34] <georgia> though it seems a bit weird that everything works without that, unless there is a specific driver loaded for your onboard ide controller
[05:34] <melazyboy> Yes i was thinking the same thing
[05:35] <melazyboy> i mean i seriously killed the whole PCI IDE tree, and im running cds, and using an 2 ide hds right now
[05:35] <georgia> have you booted off the new kernel?
[05:35] <melazyboy> georgia: Yea im using it as we speak
[05:36] <georgia> run the command "uname -a" in a terminal and let me know what the output of that is
[05:37] <melazyboy> I mean i had ata/atapi/mfm/rll tree, in it i had the 'include ide/ata-2 disk support', and 'include ide/atapi cdrom support' and the 'generic default ide chipset support', but becasue of my misunderstanding the big subtree of 'ata/atapi/mfm/rll support', entitled 'pci ide chipset support' was removed
[05:38] <melazyboy> <IP_ADDRESS>. #9 Sat Nov 27 18:26:43 CST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:38] <melazyboy> made it yesterday
[05:39] <melazyboy> Any way crummy kernel docs on that one, pretty blurry for a new guy to figure out
[05:39] <melazyboy> err
[05:39] <melazyboy> thats <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:39] <melazyboy> i typed it, this is my irc/raid box =/
[05:40] <zenpod> omh
[05:40] <zenpod> *omg
[05:40] <zenpod> Neverball is HARD
[05:40] <georgia> melazyboy: that's weird, totally lost me.
[05:41] <georgia> ok, try "sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda" melazyboy
[05:42] <melazyboy> one sec let me get in with another irc client on other box
[05:43] <melazyboy2> ok there we go
[05:44] <melazyboy2> melazyboy@l33t-4nd-l4zy-n1gg3r:~ $ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[05:44] <melazyboy2> bah no multiline paste in xchat
[05:45] <georgia> if you had done just "-d" it would have told you the current setting
[05:45] <melazyboy2> its off.. otherwise i woulden't be doing this lol
[05:45] <melazyboy2> the error is probably a little more usefull
[05:45] <melazyboy2>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:46] <melazyboy2>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:46] <melazyboy2>   HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:46] <melazyboy2>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[05:46] <trevor> Hello all.  I just installed Ubuntu Linux and during the setup I accidentally chose 1024 besides 1280 for my resolution
[05:46] <melazyboy2> hold ctrl and hit plus in x
[05:46] <trevor> How can I change my reolution to 1280?
[05:47] <melazyboy2> err thats ctrl + alt + (plus sign) lol
[05:47] <Hikaru79> Computer --> System Configuration --> Screen Resoltuion
[05:47] <georgia> melazyboy: was just making sure, ok, i think you should probably recompile with that module, hopefully you'll get dma then, but i'm not 100% sure
[05:47] <melazyboy2> Im pretty sure thats it, im good at breaking stuff
[05:47] <melazyboy2> luckily im not that shabby at fixing it
[05:47] <trevor> Yes, but 1280 isn't on there.  I didn't add it when I did the set-up
[05:48] <melazyboy2> err
[05:48] <melazyboy2> or ther other way around =/
[05:48] <melazyboy2> anyway its late recompile and finish take home test
[05:48] <melazyboy2> see everyone later, good night
[05:50] <trevor> I guess the question should be:  How can I edit whatever configuration I need to so I can have the option to change my resolution to 1280?
[05:50] <melazyboy> trevor: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xfree86*
[05:51] <trev0r> Neither of those files exist
[05:51] <trev0r> I know I have XFree
[05:51] <melazyboy> Err..
[05:52] <melazyboy> XFree86*
[05:52] <melazyboy> what ever its called i think its /etc/X11/XFree86-4.conf
[05:52] <trev0r> Hmm, I see
[05:52] <melazyboy> im not sure im using xorg, even though i regret it... really really regret it
[05:52] <trev0r> This looks a bit complicated
[05:53] <melazyboy> trev0r: Nah just find the color depth you have and add the resolution you want
[05:53] <melazyboy> or you cna use dpkg to do it
[05:53] <|QuaD|> trev0r: its not really complicated
[05:53] <Agrajag> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:53] <|QuaD|> copy and paste what you have before
[05:53] <melazyboy> its like 'dpkg-reconfig x-window-system'
[05:53] <melazyboy> or something on those lines
[05:53] <Hikaru79> I think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-XFree86
[05:53] <melazyboy> either x-window-system, or x-windows-system
[05:53] <melazyboy> or that... ubuntu could have changed it..
[05:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> cool I got no sound
[05:54] <Hikaru79> Or (very likely), I'm wrong :P
[05:54] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_: what did you do?
[05:54] <trev0r> trevor@zeppelin:/etc/X11 $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-XFree86
[05:54] <melazyboy> _|Imanewbie|_: 'cat /dev/urandom | /dev/dsp' or 'cat /dev/urandom | aplay' (oss : alsa)
[05:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> Now by NO REASON if I try to run BMP it says it couldnt open audio
[05:54] <trev0r> I did that and nothing happened
[05:55] <trev0r> I think I will do it manually
[05:55] <trev0r> What is the height when the width is 1280?
[05:56] <Gmail> NOOOOO the sco hack page has been fixed
[05:56] <melazyboy> 1280*768 if i remember rihgt
[05:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
[05:56] <trev0r> Well, I know it is 1024x768
[05:57] <trev0r> So I don't think 768 is right
[05:57] <melazyboy> Gmail: Reverted, if its not back hacked in 10min, then the exploit isn't fixed.
[05:57] <Agrajag> trev0r: 1280x960 if it's a CRT
[05:57] <melazyboy> trev0r: err your right
[05:57] <Agrajag> 1280x1024 if it's and LCD
[05:57] <trev0r> Ok, its a LCD
[05:57] <|QuaD|> Gmail: sco hack page?
[05:57] <trev0r> Thank you
[05:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> if I try to put volume it it auto goes down
[05:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> *volume up
[05:58] <kurtw> I am not in front of my Ubuntu comp right now.  Ubuntu come with xinetd or inetd?
[05:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> dammit!
[05:59] <Gmail> |QuaD|: look at my artical on neowin.net 's home page
[06:01] <Gmail> another GTK 2.5 bug
[06:01] <|QuaD|> lol
[06:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> =( I have no more sound!
[06:01] <Hikaru79> kurtw, it comes with inetd
[06:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> solved
[06:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive changed my user name and the system kicked me out of the user groups for audio and stuff
[06:09] <BeanDip> Hot damn!
[06:09] <BeanDip> E17 is in CVS
[06:10] <BeanDip> is anyone going to be putting together E17 packages for ubuntu?
[06:10] <|QuaD|> where is the php binary located in warty?
[06:10] <ajmitch_> BeanDip: note that it's pretty much unusable at the moment
[06:10] <ajmitch_> and considered pre-alpha code at best
[06:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> wich groups can a user acces by default?
[06:10] <BeanDip> http://www.eshots.de.gg/
[06:10] <zenpod> Apparently I'm not the only one who checks slashdot like 284732984 times a day
[06:10] <zenpod> lol
[06:10] <BeanDip> check that shit out
[06:11] <BeanDip> especially the two videos at the bottom of the page
[06:11] <|QuaD|> whats e17?
[06:11] <|QuaD|> how do i install the php-cli?
[06:12] <|QuaD|> i have the php4 package but i don't think it installed the cli
[06:12] <Rene_S> enlightenment is almost e17
[06:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> wich groups can a user acces by default?
[06:12] <zenpod> omg I can almost hear
[06:12] <zenpod> it's a miracle!
[06:12] <BeanDip> _|Imanewbie|_, 'cat /etc/group | more'
[06:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> BeanDip: Ive screwed up mine =)
[06:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> BeanDip: so I cant check it =)
[06:13] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, well, don't do that! ;)
[06:13] <jessta> so, no way of installing ubuntu from the livecd?
[06:13] <zenpod> can someone direct me to some theora videos?
[06:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: can you list me the groups your user can use?
[06:14] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, Um.. let's see.. Administrators.  I'm in XP atm ;)
[06:15] <|QuaD|> anyone? how to get a php cli?
[06:15] <melazyboy> zenpod: ??? XP OMFG, EVERYONE OVERREACT THIS IS A LINUX CHAT ROOM...
[06:15] <melazyboy> zenpod: it probably wasn't called for but it seemed like the popular thing to do
[06:16] <zenpod> melazyboy, heehee :D
[06:16] <zenpod> EXEC	The system cannot find the file specified.
[06:16] <zenpod> EXEC	The system cannot find the file specified.
[06:16] <zenpod> hm
[06:17] <zenpod> I can't get ver to work, since it's built into cmd.exe
[06:17] <zenpod> haha
[06:17] <eclipse> where do i go to get the linux source or header?
[06:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> melazyboy: can you give me the groups your first user in ubuntu uses?
[06:17] <zenpod> odd, xp has command.com  go figure.
[06:17] <melazyboy> im thinking root:root
[06:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> melazyboy: take a look on users and groups for me plz
[06:18] <melazyboy> root:x:0
[06:19] <melazyboy> root is in the group... root
[06:19] <melazyboy> so root:root... =/
[06:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> should my ordinary be on the group bin?
[06:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> my ordinary user
[06:19] <melazyboy> no int he group adm
[06:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> no int?
[06:19] <melazyboy> adm:x:4:melazyboy
[06:25] <zenpod> bppppredppppp,
[06:25] <zenpod> er.. boooredommm ;)
[06:26] <melazyboy> recompile kernel
[06:26] <melazyboy> im on number 10
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> ls
[06:27] <zenpod> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
[06:27] <zenpod> AHA
[06:27] <zenpod> I got it to work.
[06:27] <zenpod> instead of /exec -o uname -a, it's /exec -o cmd /c ver
[06:28] <zenpod> I am wayyy too proud of myself for that
[06:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> exit
[06:34] <zenpod> wb _|Imanewbie|_
[06:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: what?
[06:34] <zenpod> welcome back
[06:34] <zenpod> lol
[06:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: can you help me?
[06:34] <zenpod> um
[06:35] <zenpod> depends, with what?
[06:35] <zenpod> If I can, I will.
[06:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: I just need to know in witch groups the first user ubuntu creates is listed
[06:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> you can see it in SystemConfiguration -> Users and Groups
[06:36] <zenpod> Oh, I have no idea, sorry.. users, maybe wheel.
[06:36] <zenpod> I am not sure
[06:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: you can check it ->Computer -> SystemCOnfugration->Users and Groups
[06:39] <melazyboy> is stopping make risky when its compiling?
[06:39] <melazyboy> I want to halt it so i can finish watching a movie
[06:39] <melazyboy> do i risk fucking it up if i do?
[06:39] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, umm...
[06:39] <zenpod> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
[06:40] <melazyboy> anyone?
[06:40] <zenpod> melazyboy, well, you can hit ctrl+c to kill it, then try running it again.. I don't know, it worked for me in FreeBSD all the time, but YMMV...
[06:40] <melazyboy> YMMV?
[06:40] <zenpod> when I was building ports, it caused me no issues.
[06:40] <zenpod> Your Mileage May Vary
[06:40] <melazyboy> I want too ctrl+z it and bring it back later
[06:40] <zenpod> i.e.  I stopped it after an hour and a half and it was only probably half way through.  Anyone have thoughts on why this could be so_
[06:56] <Safari_Al> ?
[06:56] <krusty> Hi!!!
[06:56] <krusty> I'm new on linux Ubundu
[06:57] <krusty> Where can I found Tutorials, to learn about??
[06:57] <Gmail> ubuntulinux.com
[06:57] <Gmail> ubuntulinux.org
[06:57] <Gmail> krusty: you want doc for gnome?
[06:58] <krusty> yes I want it Gmail...
[06:59] <krusty> I want to learn about programming on linux to give back for the community...
[06:59] <eclipse> can someone help me with this error:
[06:59] <eclipse> Error activating XKB configuration.
[06:59] <eclipse> Probably internal X server problem.
[07:00] <eclipse> X server version data:
[07:00] <eclipse> The X.Org Foundation
[07:00] <eclipse> 60801000
[07:00] <eclipse> If you report this situation as a bug, please include:
[07:00] <eclipse> - The result of xprop -root | grep XKB
[07:00] <eclipse> - The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb
[07:00] <eclipse> this is after i upgraded to xorg
[07:01] <eclipse> is there a setting that i can adjust to fix this error message?
[07:09] <Gmail> krusty: gnome.org/learn
[07:11] <krusty> thanx Gmail
[07:11] <JDay> I'm having trouble getting the ATI drivers running.
[07:12] <JDay> Is there anyone here with experience with that that'd be willing to help me out?
[07:13] <GotD0t> JDay: i would help but i got an early class in the morning, i gotta hit the sack
[07:13] <JDay> Alright, thanks, anyway.
[07:16] <awtcmc> can anyone help with gnomerar?
[07:17] <billytwowilly> what's the program that is called network settings called on the command line?
[07:17] <billytwowilly> network-admin!
[07:17] <billytwowilly> yay!
[07:20] <JDay> Anyone with ideas for the ATI driver? The guide in the wiki didn't work for me. It's a 9600 XT on an nforce2 motherboard.
[07:20] <dad_> anyone know how i can access shoutcast streams?
[07:21] <housetier> dad_ xmms should be able to, as well as beep-media-player and rhythmbox
[07:21] <dad_> ah yes rythmbox thnks ill try it
[07:22] <dad_> err where might I find rythmbox?
[07:23] <clee> rhythmbox.org ? :)
[07:23] <dad_> sterling idea lol
[07:25] <housetier> erm can't you find it with synaptic?
[07:26] <dad_> no its not there
[07:28] <Amaranth> anyone else having issues with openoffice.org-debian-files?
[07:29] <Amaranth> in hoary
[07:30] <dad_> got it thnks housetier
[07:38] <lil_anthony> wth when i go to shoutcast and open the location in rhytmbox i get error can't open resourse for writing anyone else ever get that
[07:39] <melazyboy> what command can i use to find the priority of a ps
[07:39] <Agrajag> priority of a what?
[07:40] <melazyboy> the nice priority
[07:40] <Agrajag> of a ps?
[07:40] <Agrajag> ???
[07:40] <melazyboy> process
[07:40] <Agrajag> what's a ps?
[07:40] <Agrajag> ok
[07:41] <melazyboy> dont know?
[07:43] <Agrajag> doesn't seem to be an option in ps to do it, that's weird
[07:43] <Agrajag> top will tell you though
[07:46] <lil_anthony> type top that shows you the top most
[07:47] <melazyboy> your telling me there isnt one app that just simply returns the niceness of a process?
[07:48] <melazyboy> seems v. odd
[07:50] <lil_anthony> top shows the nice value
[07:52] <moj0rising> I am getting errors when I attempt to run synaptic or anything in gnome requiring root access...
[07:52] <moj0rising> ..does anyone know what some possible causes could be?
[07:53] <moj0rising> I have searched around and posted to the forums..
[07:53] <moj0rising> and so far, no dice.
[08:03] <melazyboy> try ps -eo fname,ni
[08:04] <calamari> anyone know if I can use fonts besides ttf in the fonts:/// folder?
[08:04] <Myke> good night lads
[08:04] <dad_> goodnight