[07:22] <brisr> not really. its midnight in Texas
[07:22] <Nutubuntu> Are there any alternatives to Firefox that are more stable, but still offer extensions similar to FF (esp. greasemonkey)?
[07:22] <brisr> it can wait.
[07:22] <neozen> brisr: ah... ok then
[07:22] <rockets> Nutubuntu, no?
[07:22] <brisr> I just found IRC
[07:22] <rockets> firefox is fairly stable
[07:22] <neozen> brisr: the room will be here when you return
[07:22] <NoobSauce> numus: I'm doing this on another computer, so I have to type it in, that's why this is all taking so long
[07:22] <brisr> never new yall were here.
[07:23] <brisr> yes thank you.
[07:23] <Jordan_U> rockets, The reason it doesn't now is because it is the only restricted thing that they can't include on the liveCD and enable while running, and it seems absurd to have to connect to the internet to get wireless working, but they decided that it was better to have it and be somewhat absurd then to not have it at all
[07:23] <neozen> brisr: here is where you find those most willing to help
[07:23] <Nutubuntu> :/ not terribly stable on my box, rockets - don't know why; it's a new box with Feisty on it ... A64 dual core, maybe that's it - running the 32bit kernel
[07:23] <Jordan_U> rockets, That is just my understanding though
[07:23] <brisr> I see that..
[07:23] <neozen> brisr: aside from ubuntuforums.org of course
[07:23] <brisr> yes. of course.  Thank you again
[07:23] <Haulin_Coal> what happens when I remove the /etc/event.d/tty[3-6] ?
[07:23] <brisr> well goodnight.
[07:23] <rockets> Jordan_U, ok that makes sense. but what about that changes for gutsy? they just changed their minds?
[07:24] <brisr> 5:45 comes to soon.
[07:24] <NoobSauce> numus: It now says 'xmodmap: please release the following keys within 2 seconds: Return (keysym 0xff0d, keycode 36) - Caps_lock (keysym 0xffe5, keycode 66)
[07:24] <rockets> Jordan_U, or do they use wl_apasta
[07:24] <numus> k
[07:24] <neozen> brisr: we're on nearly the same schedule here in chicago
[07:24] <NoobSauce> numus: then, it says 4 seconds, then 8, then 16, then 32, then "unable to set modifier mapping, keyboard problem"... but there is no problem with my keyboard...
[07:24] <krinns> hey neozen
[07:24] <NoobSauce> numus: hold on, let me try with my current comp
[07:24] <neozen> krinns: yes?
[07:24] <krinns> wehn i do ssh -X admin@localhost
[07:25] <krinns> it gives me glibc error
[07:25] <neozen> krinns: ok ::looks up the -X flag for ssh::
[07:25] <krinns> but when i do ssh from another machine
[07:25] <krinns> it gets in
[07:25] <neozen> aw hell.... x11 forwarding
[07:25] <krinns> from my machine i do ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:25] <neozen> krinns: that's not something I know anything about
[07:25] <krinns> its gets into machine
[07:25] <bluebanana> i'd like to create a website. What programs are there for beginners?
[07:26] <neozen> bluebanana: you want visual or code?
[07:26] <krinns> what the idea then
[07:26] <Flannel> !html | bluebanana
[07:26] <ubotu> bluebanana: html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[07:26] <krinns> ?
[07:26] <NoobSauce> numus: yeah, with this comp, the keyboard seems to work just fine... what's the diff then? maybe a motherboard driver issue or something? But then why does text-only terminal work fine, but X11 does not...?
[07:26] <rockets> Quanta+ is probably the best but its too ugly to use
[07:26] <bluebanana> neozen, Visual is best!!! With maybe a code option, too. But visual is what I primarily want, I think.
[07:26] <NoobSauce> it seems Ubuntu is never installed without confuzzlement from one component :P
[07:26] <numus> naa
[07:26] <HHP2K> Hello everyone!
[07:26] <rockets> HELLO!
[07:27] <neozen> krinns: well... my guess is.... you can't forward X to localhost... as you're already running it
[07:27] <bluebanana> rockets, quanta is best but too ugly?
[07:27] <bluebanana> hmm?
[07:27] <numus> Noobsauce it is possible that your keyboard isn't us configure due to those extra keys...
[07:27] <rockets> bluebanana, i mean I like quanta in terms of features. But I can't stand looking at it.
[07:27] <HHP2K> Quick question for y'all: how do you chmod a .sh file to make it executable?
[07:27] <numus> Noobsauce which keyboard is it again
[07:27] <bluebanana> what do you experts recommend from the list: bluefish, quanta, screem, nvu?
[07:27] <neozen> bluebanana: there are limited options for visual-ish editors in linux
[07:27] <Jordan_U> rockets, AFIK they just changed their minds or just hadn't gotten to developing it beforehand
[07:27] <astro76> HHP2K, chmod +x file.sh
[07:27] <rockets> Jordan_U, hmm
[07:27] <bluebanana> neozen, so it's a matter of typing html/code?
[07:27] <neozen> bluebanana: have you considered just using open office and saving in .html?
[07:27] <Haulin_Coal> what happens if I comment out getty(s)
[07:28] <NoobSauce> numus: this is hilarious, but I found out what the problem was. I plugged in my other keyboard's wireless adapter because I was transferring stuff between one comp to another
[07:28] <neozen> bluebanana: works just fine for basic pages
[07:28] <bluebanana> neozen, what about cascading menu stuff?
[07:28] <HHP2K> astro76: Thanks =D
[07:28] <krinns> so
[07:28] <neozen> bluebanana: ......cascading menus....
[07:28] <numus> NoobSauce this is a wireless keyboard?
[07:28] <NoobSauce> numus: anyways, the wireless keyboard is sitting on the floor, and it had some stuff on it, which was pressing down the shift key
[07:28] <krinns> but thats odd
[07:28] <Jordan_U>  !html | bluebanana
[07:28] <ubotu> bluebanana: html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[07:28] <rockets> btw Nvu is NOT in feisty as far as i know
[07:28] <bluebanana> and I want my pages to have ... um, what do you call them... navigational paths thingies on every page
[07:28] <numus> NoobSauce LAUGH!
[07:28] <krinns> i am running to 25 machines this is 1 time
[07:28] <neozen> bluebanana: sounds like ajax type stuff
[07:28] <bluebanana> Jordan_U, that's the second time already. 8-)
[07:28] <neozen> bluebanana: plenty on the net to read about that
[07:29] <numus> NoobSauce that command i had you put into terminal was to disable caps lock.. make sure your capslock still works if not you need to reenable it
[07:29] <NoobSauce> numus: so the shift key was being held down on the other keyboard :P So stupid :P and I was so hasty to blame Ubuntu! Ubuntu++ Noobsauce--
[07:29] <Nutubuntu> nvu I guess - bluebanana - if you're trying to do anything fancy, it's unlikely you'll manage it without knowing how HTML is written ... time to crack some virtual books.
[07:29] <bluebanana> neozen, ajax for a simple home / subfolder / 3rdDown thingy on every page?
[07:29] <NoobSauce> numus: the keyboard seems to work fine now... boy was that stupid
[07:29] <Jordan_U> bluebanana, Sorry, it's practically a reflex :)
[07:29] <Haulin_Coal> HEY
[07:29] <rockets> bluebanana, yeah. if you dont learn html, you can do wysiwig editing but it comes out looking horrible
[07:29] <HHP2K> oh oh - another question, where's the "sessions" folder in ubuntu?
[07:29] <numus> NoobSauce naa ubuntu does have some problems.. not many.. compiz-fusion has a ton though i keep running into them :-p
[07:29] <Haulin_Coal> what happens when I comment out/remove getty(s)
[07:29] <HHP2K> I need to access the start programs folder.
[07:29] <bluebanana> ok. I'll check out w3schools.com, as ubotu recommended
[07:29] <Jordan_U> Haulin_Coal, Where ?
[07:30] <neozen> bluebanana: you'd have to be more descriptive as to what you are looking for
[07:30] <Haulin_Coal> such as tty3-6
[07:30] <neozen> bluebanana: those folder listings are usually generated on the fly just so you know
[07:30] <iambob> the graphics card wasnt right
[07:30] <Jordan_U> Haulin_Coal, Why don't you want them?
[07:30] <NoobSauce> numus: I think Beryl is less buggy... I've always had issues with Compiz... I've been running Ubuntu exclusively for about a year on 3 comps. The hardware support is pretty amazing actually considering most of it is reverse-engineered
[07:30] <Haulin_Coal> I was looking at performance hacks online
[07:30] <NoobSauce> numus: anyways, thanks for helping the noob :P
[07:30] <numus> Noobsauce naa beryl is more buggy... compiz-fusion is brand new...
[07:31] <neozen> NoobSauce: lol.. well you've got a good sense of humor
[07:31] <Haulin_Coal> said something about removing those...thought I would look more into it befroe I did anything rash
[07:31] <bluebanana> neozen, this is what i mean. pls check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=414194. See the top part:  Ubuntu Forums > The Ubuntu Forum Community  > Absolute Beginner Talk . that's what i want on every page.
[07:31] <Haulin_Coal> respawn
[07:31] <bluebanana> neozen, something like that
[07:31] <NoobSauce> numus: when did compiz-fusion come out, and how's it different from compiz or beryl?
[07:31] <Jordan_U> NoobSauce, It hasn't "come out" it's still beta
[07:31] <numus> NoobSauce not sure.. but it is a little more stable... has some nicer features and is more streamline
[07:31] <NoobSauce> numus: I guess I could just RTFM, nevermind... but it's less buggy than beryl or compiz you say...? I may have to try that...
[07:32] <Jordan_U> NoobSauce, It may be that it will be more stable, but I doubt that it is now
[07:32] <neozen> bluebanana: ahh...
[07:32] <Haulin_Coal> disabling getty ttyX respawning
[07:32] <Haulin_Coal> I think its to free up memory
[07:32] <numus> Noobsauce http://photos-906.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v103/219/86/5206906/n5206906_38679959_5396.jpg if you can see that that is
[07:32] <numus> Noobsauce that is my setup right now with compiz-fusion
[07:32] <Jordan_U> Haulin_Coal, All 2k that they take up ;)
[07:32] <random1> ...
[07:32] <Nutubuntu> bluebanana,  that kind of a breadcrumb trail can either be hardcoded for each page or scripted. The first is easy, the second is also easy-ish but only after you've understood how ... if that makes any sense ...
[07:33] <neozen> hey guys... the cascading popup menus that show up in the top right on ubuntu.com's main site are done w/ ajax right?
[07:33] <Haulin_Coal> I suppose...no point in it then?
[07:33] <NoobSauce> Jordan_U: compiz just never worked well for me, it hosed all my xservers. Beryl is pretty good, although running it on integrated intel graphics is pretty taxing for my laptop... it crashes a lot due to heat...
[07:33] <RoC_MasterMind> neozen, either javascript or CSS
[07:33] <RoC_MasterMind> neozen, not ajax.
[07:33] <Flannel> neozen: no, just HTML/CSS
[07:33] <Jordan_U> Haulin_Coal, No point at all, and they can be very useful, I wouldn't trust any guide from somebody who suggests something like that
[07:33] <bluebanana> Nutubuntu, the first means I have to type it for every page? That shouldn't be too hard for now, as our webpage has less than 20 pages
[07:34] <NoobSauce> numus: sweet :) are they working beryl into default ubuntu anytime soon? or is it still just something you can get to if you're 'in the know'?
[07:34] <HHP2K> Hey guys, where's the "Sessions > start programs" folder?
[07:34] <Haulin_Coal> righty-o then...good thing I asked
[07:34] <random1> hey?
[07:34] <neozen> Flannel: ah... ok... bluebanana is wondering how they did it...
[07:34] <oga1> anybody in here having trouble with WPA and feisty?
[07:34] <neozen> Flannel: and I just didn't have time to scope out the code
[07:34] <neozen> oga1: no problems here at all
[07:34] <Jordan_U> HHP2K, System -> Preferences -> Sessions
[07:34] <neozen> oga1: make sure the network is broadcasting its ssid
[07:35] <Flannel> bluebanana: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/  but, this is more for #css or #html than here.
[07:35] <r0b-> nixternal
[07:35] <neozen> oga1: and network-manager will detect it just fine
[07:35] <NoobSauce> oga1: yeah, I had issues. It won't connect to some networks... WEP seems solid though, but WPA is flaky for me (macbook + internal wireless card)
[07:35] <neozen> ahhhh
[07:35] <neozen> macbook
[07:35] <neozen> ..that explains it
[07:35] <alecwh> How do you install a TFF font in Ubuntu, so it can be available for GIMP?
[07:35] <neozen> alecwh: you mean ttf?
[07:35] <HHP2K> ooh, so I was looking for it wrong. Thanks Jordan_U =D
[07:35] <krinns> neozen any idea
[07:35] <krinns> what to do
[07:35] <alecwh> Yes, sorry.
[07:36] <jtong> hi all, i'm having problem getting my usb mouse/keyboard to work
[07:36] <iambob> can any1 tell me what my graphics card is http://pastebin.com/m13c3ef5b
[07:36] <oga1> neozen i just got it running, took me 3 hours RT61 chipset does not talk to network manager its' all good now... but was hoping i could help somebody before I forget what I did
[07:36] <oga1> night all
[07:36] <Jordan_U> HHP2K, np :)
[07:36] <alecwh> neozen, do you know how?
[07:36] <puff> I'm having problems with my wireless.  "sudo dhclient eth1" says DHCPACK from <IP_ADDRESS>, bound to <IP_ADDRESS>, but then dns gets nothing and "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" gets "destination unreachable."
[07:36] <jtong> what can i do if /proc/bus/input/devices is not showing the correct devices??
[07:36] <neozen> alecwh: well all the basic microsoft fonts can be installed by installing msttcorefonts
[07:36] <NoobSauce> neozen: before you say anything, the laptop at the time was the best bang for the buck. It was like $300 under the closest competition... they don't even care if you install ubuntu on it when doing repairs/maintenance unlike some companies (ahem: dell)
[07:37] <alecwh> Yes, but I want to install custom fonts.
[07:37] <neozen> alecwh: as to how to install any others... no ideas
[07:37] <numus> NoobSauce were you able to see that picture... i managed to freeze ubuntu
[07:37] <Jordan_U> NoobSauce, Did you follow the isntructions @ wiki.com/Macbook ?
[07:37] <neozen> alecwh: I'm sure there's something in the forums about it
[07:37] <alecwh> ok
[07:37] <random1> =/
[07:37] <alecwh> i'll search.
[07:37] <Jordan_U> iambob, intel
[07:37] <NoobSauce> neozen: I think now they're still pretty well priced, but I got a killer deal on it which made it by far cheaper than anything else similarly configured
[07:37] <neozen> alecwh: I'll search as well
[07:37] <NoobSauce> numus: yeah, it's pretty cool
[07:37] <Nutubuntu> alecwh,  neozen - drop fonts into ~/.fonts and they'll be available to GIMP, OO.o, etc.
[07:37] <neozen> NoobSauce: no worries mon
[07:37] <Jordan_U> iambob, Resolution problems?
[07:37] <neozen> NoobSauce: you buy what you can
[07:37] <random1> so like, I've been trying to install ubuntu but it looks like the partitioning keeps freezing up.
[07:38] <lazz0> does the ubuntu server have the same software as the desktop ? or only htpp servers and so on
[07:38] <neozen> NoobSauce: and then if you're lucky ... we help get it up and running
[07:38] <neozen> NoobSauce: same thing happens with all computer manufacturers
[07:38] <NoobSauce> Jordan_U: yeah, that saved my arse!
[07:38] <Nutubuntu> manny, that was fun ... try to see if ubuntu.com is using ajax for those menus and boom. no firefox, no x ... it's nice to be back.
[07:38] <iambob> Jordan_U: i reconfig. for a i810 is that what that is a i810
[07:38] <puff> Hm, "sudo ifdown eth1" followed by "sudo ifup eth1" invokes the usual dhclient stuff, get the usal DHCPACK response, then after that "RTNETLINK answers:  File exists" and then "run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoipd exited with return code 2"
[07:38] <b0ne> lazz0: i think it is the same minus the desktop environments with the option to install lamp/etc
[07:39] <Nutubuntu> random1,  had you tried to partition for a RAID, by any chance?
[07:39] <neozen> NoobSauce: I've had good experience with my thinkpad... but others have not...
[07:39] <Jordan_U> iambob, That driver should work
[07:39] <NoobSauce> neozen: apple didn't care actually, which really surprised me... When they saw that I had a modified bootloader to load ubuntu (when they were booting it up to see if it worked), they didn't even react
[07:39] <random1> No?
[07:39] <Flannel> lazz0: They use the same repositories.  So any software is available for either.  The only difference is the default install confgiuration
[07:39] <puff> neozen: I have, up until recently :-).
[07:39] <Jordan_U> iambob, But you may need 915resolution to get full resolution
[07:39] <Haulin_Coal> HAHA...that's two hello, world!s I've gotten to work
[07:39] <NoobSauce> neozen: my first laptop was a thinkpad T21, which was pretty cool. I had no hardware issues whatsoever... even got better battery than windoze :P
[07:40] <iambob> kk thanks
[07:40] <lazz0> oki thank you
[07:40] <Haulin_Coal> one in firefox as a plugin...one in perl
[07:40] <neozen> NoobSauce: good news is... mac has pretty much locked their hardware... whats in a mac now... will be in a mac for a while.... aside from processor, bus, etc... and now that their on a bsd base... support will get better
[07:40] <numus> Hmm when do they update compiz and all those.. i just got a new software update notification
[07:40] <furenku> can  anybody tell me how to add a patch to the wine src so i can build it ?
[07:40] <Flannel> furenku: Why not use the wine repos?
[07:40] <puff> neozen: I've had good luck with my thinkpad, though when I upgraded to feisty, some things (like hibernation) broke.  And last week my fan died, finally got the rpelacement and installed it this afternoon, and  now I'm having problems getting the wireless to work.
[07:40] <Nutubuntu> random1,  it was a guess ... I ran into some partitioning trouble, and it seemed to have been caused by my having started to set up a RAID. Hm ... you could try the Alternative CD instead of the Desktop ... sometimes that works where the D. doesn't
[07:40] <furenku> Flannel: I need to add a special patch to add MIDI compatibility to wine...
[07:40] <neozen> puff: I never used hibernation... made things go boom
[07:41] <daniel_washere> Enabling bluetooth i disabled :)
[07:41] <NoobSauce> neozen: that's actually a big reason I wanted to go with them. If I had an issue, there would be a million other people with the exact same comp having the same issues - no slight hardware differences to throw you off (other than hard drive or ram size differences)... that's a huge plus when getting support.
[07:41] <lazz0> and do u know if swiftfox can use the plugins from firefox?
[07:41] <random1> Is there any good sites on installing the server and issues?
[07:41] <neozen> puff: bringing the box down, then back up again never seemed to take more then a few minutes anyway
[07:41] <furenku> Flannel: I have the patch its like a long text
[07:41] <Jordan_U> neozen, What you said about hardware being locked is not true, the hardware has changed a lot in macbook pro's between revidions
[07:41] <Jordan_U> *revisions
[07:41] <neozen> random1: depends... what are you planning on doing?
[07:42] <b0ne> google.com/search?q=ubuntu+server+guide
[07:42] <puff> neozen: Well, suspend didn't work on, hm, hoary I think, but hibernate did, so I got into the habit.  Plus, hibernate lets me easily dual boot into windows on the rare occasions that I have to.
[07:42] <neozen> Jordan_U: perhaps
[07:42] <NoobSauce> puff: will manual hibernate work? When I upgraded to feisty, for the first couple weeks the lid closing would not hibernate the computer, but you could do it if you manually hibernated
[07:42] <numus> man these updates lag my system
[07:42] <NoobSauce> Jordan_U: I have macbook (not pro). Those systems are basically identical
[07:42] <random1> Thanks.
[07:42] <neozen> numus: yes... updating causes lag.... no real shock there
[07:42] <puff> NoobSauce: Hm, no, haven't gotten hibernate to work since I upgraded.  I'm told this is more common with thinkpads, tho.
[07:42] <random1> I looked around for something like that and couldn't find it.
[07:42] <random1> Guess my google queries weren't good enough either. =P
[07:43] <neozen> numus: tends to max out your processor for a bit
[07:43] <numus> neozen was a sarcastic remark
[07:43] <b0ne> ;o)
[07:43] <random1> Oh
[07:43] <neozen> at least they don't crash halfway through rebooting while applying them
[07:43] <jikanter> can anyone ping security.ubuntu.com at the moment? I can't seem to get through
[07:43] <jmak642> hello all
[07:43] <random1> That doesn't have much help, =/
[07:43] <numus> i really like this theme in emerald... has some nice features like stick and scroll up into titlebar
[07:44] <jmak642> any chance someone can help me with dvd watching?
[07:44] <neozen> jikanter: might not allow ping
[07:44] <NoobSauce> I can't ping, much lag
[07:44] <jmak642> i am having a hard time getting the packages
[07:44] <jikanter> neozen: or even apt-get update
[07:44] <numus> jmak642 totem should work
[07:44] <neozen> jikanter: nope.... same issue here
[07:45] <neozen> jikanter: much lag on security
[07:45] <iambo1> that cant be my graphics card B/C everytime i try to run Beryl my screen whites out
[07:45] <Flannel> furenku: check out the `patch` program
[07:45] <jikanter> glad I'm not the only one. That would have worried me. Thanks neozen
[07:45] <NoobSauce> jikanter: 100% packet loss w/ 76 packets @ 30 seconds
[07:45] <neozen> jikanter: unless some huge hole opened up and they're shoving out updates as fast as possible... that shouldn't be down
[07:45] <numus> jmak642 in Sound and Video do you have Movie Player.. that is totem movie player.. works well with dvds for me
[07:46] <neozen> jikanter: no... its not just you
[07:46] <furenku> Flannel: thanks ill check it our
[07:46] <doyley> hey guys i tryed burning an avi with kb3 but it didnt play in my dvd player..any idea on why???
[07:46] <neozen> any of the repo admins monitor the chat?
[07:46] <Phrozen_One> how come xubuntu is advertised for low resource machines, yet its consuming 470\512 mb after bootup?
[07:46] <doyley> only way it would work is with devede
[07:46] <NoobSauce> jikanter: weird thing is that I'm doing an update from security.ubuntu.com and I'm getting 140Kb/s (which is about max for my connection)
[07:47] <NoobSauce> jikanter: maybe they just disabled ping...?
[07:47] <neozen> Phrozen_One: well.... scope out what top is telling you
[07:47] <numus> Anyone have avant and know what the terminal command for it i s
[07:47] <b0ne> i can't connect to security.ubuntu.com either (co.comast.com)
[07:47] <neozen> Phrozen_One: how much of that used ram is just cached?
[07:47] <jmak642> numus: totem wants me to install some plugin
[07:47] <Flannel> Phrozen_One: unused RAM is wasted RAM.  The linux kernel puts as much stuff as it can in RAM, even if it's not necessarily using it (so it'll be accessed faster when you are using it).  If you need it for oher stuff, it'll swap stuff around all smart-like
[07:47] <numus> !codec
[07:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:48] <neozen> Phrozen_One: indeed
[07:48] <Frogzoo> Phrozen_One: swapon -s ?
[07:48] <Phrozen_One> neozen, your correct, without the cache its much less
[07:48] <Parisi> Wow, dial up from a cell phone, never knew id attempt that :0
[07:48] <numus> Jmak check those pages for information about video issues they are really helpful
[07:48] <jmak642> well i am trying to install the ubuntu restricted packages but i get failures.
[07:48] <Phrozen_One> 416\512 is free
[07:48] <Jordan_U> How do I turn off mouse gestures and or set up my synaptics touchpad to ignore palm hits when typing?
[07:48] <bluebanana> i was given an FTP url and a password in order to do some "webmastering". What program do i use to access this ftp thingie?
[07:48] <Phrozen_One> bluebanana, gftp
[07:48] <jmak642> numus: like it fails to download the packages
[07:48] <rocky_> czesc
[07:48] <neozen> Phrozen_One: well then there you go... and xubuntu questions should usually be directed to the #xubuntu room
[07:48] <numus> which package
[07:49] <Frogzoo> Phrozen_One: nothing to worry about
[07:49] <neozen> Phrozen_One: ..but they might be sleeping now.... so I'll answer any you might have
[07:49] <Parisi> brb
[07:49] <rocky_> jest tu jakis polak
[07:49] <furenku> Flannel: the thing is i got on one hand a tarball, on the other a text file, how do i patch the tarball with the text? ive no idea!!
[07:49] <NoobSauce> Jordan_U: I don't think you can turn it off. You just have to turn the sensitivity of the mouse activating to a lower value (I forget what the setting is)
[07:49] <jmak642> numus: i have been looking at those and i tried to download what it indicated but it says it cant get many of the packages it needs.
[07:49] <Phrozen_One> neozen, you showed me something about memory management, thanks alot lol
[07:49] <Flannel> !compile | furenku
[07:49] <ubotu> furenku: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:49] <neozen> Phrozen_One: no problem
[07:49] <Flannel> !synaptics | Jordan_U
[07:49] <ubotu> Jordan_U: For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[07:49] <Nutubuntu> !pl
[07:49] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[07:50] <Phrozen_One> how come edubuntu doesnt have its own channel
[07:50] <neozen> Phrozen_One: I used to have the same concern ages ago
[07:50] <Jordan_U> Flannel, Thanks
[07:50] <neozen> Phrozen_One: no issues yet perhaps... or not enough users to keep it open all the time
[07:50] <Frogzoo> Jordan_U: To disable the synaptics touchpad while typing, see: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/disable-touchpad-temporarily-when-typing/
[07:50] <bluebanana> Phrozen_One, thanks for telling me about gftp for accessing my website  via ftp.
[07:50] <neozen> Phrozen_One: or even more possible... you just haven't found the right name yet
[07:50] <Phrozen_One> neozen, so whats the name then?
[07:50] <numus> Jmak642 in terminal type sudo apt-get install mplayer
[07:51] <neozen> Phrozen_One: #edubuntu
[07:51] <puff> Bah, humbug.  I just used the gnome applet:  System/Admin/Network, and enabled the network, ping now works, etc.
[07:51] <Vai_Ro> how do i check my window ID?
[07:51] <neozen> Phrozen_One: 30 users... that's probably it
[07:51] <Phrozen_One> neozen, your a crafty fox, given I can't speeel ryht
[07:51] <NoobSauce> wow... you learn something new everyday... didn't know synaptics could do that :P Jordan_U++
[07:51] <numus> damn avant wont let me add any launchers stupid program is frozen
[07:52] <neozen> puff: lol
[07:52] <puff> neozen: I'd really like to know wtf is going on, I have had bad experiences with GUI wireless tools in the past, so I don't like having to rely on them.
[07:52] <neozen> puff: I've had great experience with network-manager-gnome
[07:53] <neozen> puff: kicks the hell out of everything else imho on ubuntu/xubuntu
[07:53] <alecwh> How do you install TTF fonts onto Ubuntu Linux for use on programs like GIMP?
[07:53] <numus> what up with security.ubuntu.com i have been having an apt-get update problem with taht server
[07:53] <mcgvac> i havent been able to find any Avant window manager amd64 debs for fiesty does anybody know a dl location
[07:53] <jmak642> numus: it hung up, prolly downloading libpulse0 "98% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]  "
[07:53] <neozen> ...though.. this is an intel pro wireless 3945 card here.... I might be biased
[07:53] <neozen> numus: I can't get one here either
[07:53] <NoobSauce> numus: I'm trying to do updates and security has just gone down for me... I can no longer connect (although I could a minute ago)
[07:53] <numus> jmak the servers seem to be having problems righ tnow
[07:54] <jmak642> numus: which is the one i couldnt get earlier
[07:54] <neozen> numus: probably just getting snowed
[07:54] <numus> neozen you ever use avant?
[07:54] <neozen> numus: lots of people upgrading to some new tribe I suppose
[07:54] <numus> neozen ahh.. i got a compiz-fusion upgrade a few minutes ago
[07:55] <alecwh> What did the update entail, numus?
[07:55] <numus> trying to figure out why avant wont let me edit launchers
[07:55] <b0ne> alecwh: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[07:55] <Nutubuntu> g'night all
[07:55] <jmak642> numus: ok i guess i'll try to get it tomorrow
[07:55] <alecwh> Thank you b0ne.
[07:55] <numus> alecwh i really have no idea lol.. all i know is if i didn't do it it would annoy me in teh taskbar
[07:55] <LuCiFeR|> can't get to any .us based ubuntu site
[07:55] <bobgill> How does one download videos from Youtube / What player is used to watch them ???
[07:55] <neozen> alecwh: there you go..
[07:55] <numus> jmak642 that one i sent you to get is a good media player.. also get vlc video if you can.. taht is a good one too
[07:55] <Sam916> is anyone else having trouble accessing ubuntu.com?
[07:56] <neozen> bobgill: lots of firefox addons for that
[07:56] <jmak642> numus: yah i already have vlc, it seems pretty good
[07:56] <neozen> I'm sure
[07:56] <qnyc> Sam916, yes
[07:56] <alecwh> Sam 916, yes.
[07:56] <embers> Forums down?
[07:56] <NoobSauce> Sam916: ubuntu.com is hosed for me
[07:56] <Sam916> cool, it's not just me
[07:56] <Alives> security.ubuntu.com is down... is there a mirror?
[07:56] <Sam916> even launchpad is down
[07:56] <neozen> wow...
[07:56] <alecwh> :(
[07:56] <alecwh> Hope they fix it soon.
[07:56] <NoobSauce> Alives: I wouldn't trust a mirror for security updates...
[07:56] <numus> hmm... No one in here uses avant navigator
[07:57] <neozen> wow... even ubuntu.com
[07:57] <alecwh> numus, I do.
[07:57] <Sam916> even Canonical
[07:57] <Alives> what ubuntu.com is down?
[07:57] <neozen> that's kind of creepy
[07:57] <Alives> ugh
[07:57] <alecwh> But I don't know how to use it...
[07:57] <Alives> day after i switch
[07:57] <alecwh> It won't allow .desktop icons.
[07:57] <Alives> this is bs
[07:57] <numus> alecwh have you ever had it were you can't edit the launchers?
[07:57] <neozen> Alives: aye... looks that way
[07:57] <Sam916> every Ubuntu-related site is dead
[07:57] <neozen> Alives: fear not... it will be up soon
[07:57] <Assassin`> what was the other program to use instead of wine for games?
[07:57] <NoobSauce> Alives: If it's any consollation, I've never seen ubuntu anything go down
[07:57] <numus> security back up
[07:57] <Alives> oh ok cool
[07:57] <bobgill> Ok I have downloaded the video but what player can be used to watch .flv ???
[07:57] <alecwh> yes numus... don't know why though.
[07:57] <neozen> Alives: perhaps a DDOS
[07:57] <numus> well.. was
[07:57] <NoobSauce> Assassin`: cedega
[07:57] <Alives> yeah me either
[07:57] <b0ne> filext.com
[07:57] <b0ne> :P
[07:57] <neozen> time to wake up an admin
[07:58] <numus> alexcwh how did you fix it.. also how do i take the stupid open tasks off
[07:58] <alecwh> Urg. Why is ubuntu.com down...
[07:58] <Assassin`> thanks NoobSauce
[07:58] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: Totem-xine
[07:58] <alecwh> no idea, i never fixed it. And I don't have a lot of "stupid open tasks"...
[07:58] <numus> alecwh must be update night.. since i have gotten a couple major updates
[07:58] <Mr_Sonoma> i am trying to share a internet connection with a laptop  i have 2 wireless usb sticks the dsl modum is connected to a NIC on the desktop computer i would like to be able to put one usb wireless network stick on this desktop and the other on the laptop and share the connection. suggestions on how to achieve this or where to look?
[07:58] <bobgill> Megaqwerty: thanks
[07:58] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: you're welcome
[07:58] <bobgill> Is there any way to convert .flv to .mpg or .avi or something ??
[07:58] <numus> alecwh it doesn't show you every open program in avant?
[07:58] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: you need to use a program called ffmpeg
[07:58] <alecwh> What did the major update entail? :P
[07:58] <neozen> well... I poked the admins
[07:59] <numus> alecwh i dont read them i just click them :)
[07:59] <alecwh> Numus, it does, but I want it that way...
[07:59] <numus> night everyone
[07:59] <b0ne> bobgill: you're probably better off looking on doom9.org or videohelp.com, both have conversion tutorials, and format information
[07:59] <neozen> that must be some huge network cable someone just tripped over
[07:59] <jmak642> neozen: thanks, maybe that package i need will get working when they fix it
[07:59] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: then you can use it like: ffmpeg -i $file -ab 56 -ar 22050 -b 500 -s 800x600 $output.avi
[07:59] <neozen> ....how does one trip over a t3?
[08:00] <neozen> ....kind of entails climbing over it right?
[08:00] <neozen> ...that's like tripping over a car
[08:00] <bobgill> ok thanks i am checking them out
[08:00] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: where $file is the filename, and $output is what you want to output the file as.
[08:00] <bob301> err...I am sure this has been asked a hundred times, but is Ubuntu.com down?
[08:00] <qnyc> bob301, yes
[08:00] <b0ne> bob301: yea
[08:01] <NoobSauce> bob301: yes, for sure. slashdot.org is not though, so it's not the apocalypse yet
[08:01] <Megaqwerty> NoobSauce: lol
[08:01] <jmak642> yeah, they are working on it i guess
[08:01] <Sp4rKy> rockets: don't use medibuntu.sos-sts.com anymore please
[08:01] <jmak642> someone let them know
[08:01] <Sp4rKy> rockets: replace it by medibuntu.org
[08:02] <alecwh> are the ubuntu forums down too?
[08:02] <rockets> ok
[08:02] <Sp4rKy> thx
[08:02] <bobgill> Megaqwerty: wow amazing it worked perfect
[08:02] <b0ne> i can't get to the forums either
[08:02] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: of course it did! :)
[08:02] <bobgill> Megaqwerty: how can I rip audio from a video to make a .mp3 or .wav ??
[08:02] <bobgill> hehe :)
[08:02] <alecwh> I'm looking at some video editing apps for Linux, and I'm curious, what does "non-linear" mean?
[08:02] <b0ne> google it alec :)
[08:03] <poolie> the ubuntu datacentre is having network problems; our sysadmins are working on it
[08:03] <Billy> !defunct
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defunct - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:03] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: I haven't tried that...but you could try just making the output extension .mp3 or .wav
[08:03] <qnyc> alecwh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system
[08:03] <alecwh> poolie, when can we expect it up?
[08:03] <b0ne> next year
[08:03] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: ffmpeg is pretty smart...it might be able to do it.
[08:03] <neozen> alecwh: if I knew that...  It's open-source software. That's kinda how it works ;)
[08:04] <neozen> alecwh: usually only get really slow the day of a major release
[08:04] <jikanter> Billy: kill -9
[08:04] <alecwh> Ok, thanks. qnyc, I found that seconds before you posted it. :D
[08:04] <bluebanana> is text editor a good source editor for html pages/website design?
[08:05] <alecwh> neozen, what's the major release?
[08:05] <bobgill> Megaqwerty: this commercial jingle is finally gonna be my ringtone lol, thanks ;)
[08:05] <Billy> jikanter thank you
[08:05] <neozen> alecwh: don't think there is one
[08:05] <alecwh> bluebanana, yes. If you do it a lot, I'd suggest another app like gPHPedit
[08:05] <jikanter> Billy: your welcome
[08:05] <Megaqwerty> bobgill: happy to oblige!
[08:05] <Sakkath> hey . . . why is the site down?
[08:05] <qnyc> !info p7zip-full | insomniac190
[08:05] <bluebanana> alecwh, i see
[08:05] <ubotu> insomniac190: p7zip-full: 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.43~dfsg.1-1 (feisty), package size 1360 kB, installed size 3576 kB
[08:05] <alecwh> Ok neozen.
[08:05] <sixtyeight> any idea when the new kernel will hit the repos?
[08:05] <neozen> alecwh: poolie just said their datacenter is having network issues
[08:06] <alecwh> bluebanana, if you can't stand WYSIWYG editors (I can't) gphpedit is perfect for me. :D
[08:06] <embers> Anyone else notice the download status bar being lost with 7.04?
[08:06] <Megaqwerty> sixtyeight: I would imagine you would have to wait for Gutsy...
[08:06] <poolie> alecwh, sorry, all i know is that they're working as fast as they can
[08:06] <Megaqwerty> sixtyeight: as for how long till it hits Gutsy's repos...I have no idea.
[08:06] <sixtyeight> i see
[08:06] <poolie> the problem  seems to be with our network provider
[08:06] <b0ne> poolie, can you set topics?
[08:06] <alecwh> !video editing
[08:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video editing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:06] <poolie> i'm not sure
[08:06] <neozen> poolie: sounds like you guys have some upcoming fun
[08:07] <neozen> poolie: best of luck
[08:07] <bluebanana> alecwh, i'm a newbie, so I can stand wysiwyg editors. 8-)
[08:07] <poolie> a backhoe, maybe :)
[08:07] <poolie> hm i guess none of those links are going to work
[08:07] <neozen> yeah... time to kill off the bot
[08:07] <insomniac190> qnyc: thank you i will check it out in the morning.
[08:07] <Quickxotic> Is there a mirror for security.ubuntu.com?
[08:07] <Sakkath> What is wrong witht he site
[08:07] <alecwh> bluebanana, I still recommend gphpedit. It's good to learn without a wysiwyg. However, bluefish is a good alternative.
[08:08] <poolie> mneptok, ping?
[08:08] <poolie> no, i can't set the topic
[08:08] <bluebanana> alecwh, I agree. Bluebanana using bluefish... what a perfect couple!
[08:08] <ste-foy> ping pong
[08:08] <bluebanana> bluefish is wysiwyg, yes?
[08:08] <neozen> well.. its 1am... here in chicago... which means servers will start updating... and you guys.... will be sad because admins will be calling
[08:08] <Madpilot> bluebanana, no
[08:08] <alecwh> bluebanana, :P
[08:08] <b0ne> jedit is a pretty nice editor too
[08:08] <alecwh> I'm pretty sure, yes.
[08:09] <bluebanana> what should a beginner use?
[08:09] <alecwh> b0ne, how so?
[08:09] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: another good wysiwyg editor is Kompozer
[08:09] <alecwh> and bluebanana, try Nvu
[08:09] <bluebanana> what's the best?
[08:09] <neozen> !best
[08:09] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[08:09] <alecwh> sudo apt-get install nvu
[08:09] <bluebanana> alecwh, ok. ill try nvu
[08:09] <ste-foy> xchat
[08:09] <b0ne> it works on windows and linux with decent syntax highligting and regex support
[08:09] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: Kompozer is an updated version of nvu
[08:09] <crackerbox> is ubuntuforums.org down for anyone else?
[08:09] <poolie> Madpilot, can you change the topic to show that there are network  problems please - most .ubuntu.com and launchpad.net machines can't be reached
[08:09] <b0ne> crackerbox: yes
[08:09] <neozen> crackerbox: yes it is
[08:09] <poolie> and that one :)
[08:09] <neozen> crackerbox: they're working on it
[08:09] <alecwh> What's it built for, b0ne?
[08:09] <bluebanana> neozen, ok. let me rephrase the question...  what's not the furthest from the worst? 8-)
[08:09] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: I'd suggest it over Nvu untill nvu gets a new version cranked out.
[08:10] <Glave-work> I have 2 devices in /dev/mapper that are causing my lvm to go nuts: how can I remove them? lvm2|lvm-raid|lvm0 & Error|lvm2|lvm-raid|pv1
[08:10] <crackerbox> hahaha
[08:10] <neozen> !worst
[08:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <alecwh> CSS/XHTML support?
[08:10] <b0ne> built for? it's a generic programmers text editor
[08:10] <bluebanana> Megaqwerty, thanks for telling me of kompozer. If kompozer is the updated version of nvu, i see no reason to use nvu. Do you folks see any reason?
[08:10] <Madpilot> bluebanana, bluefish is an excellent editor, if you're not afraid of actual code. Try Screem too, it's got some nice features.
[08:10] <neozen> dankee madpilot... the newbies will be questioning
[08:10] <crackerbox> anyone using curlFTPfs with feisty?
[08:10] <crackerbox> it sucks hard
[08:10] <bluebanana> neozen, is "dankee" english? what does dankee mean?
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> bluebanana: only that nvu is in the repos for edgy and prior.  If you're running feisty, then no reason at all.
[08:11] <|_ocke>  yesh, real uptime calculators everywhere suffer
[08:11] <alecwh> I don't like Screem's GUI. :P
[08:11] <bluebanana> tonyyarusso, i'm using feisty
[08:11] <poolie> Glave-work, what do you mean "remove them"?
[08:11] <b0ne> danke is dutch for thank you, "americanized" into dankee i think
[08:11] <alecwh> b0ne, sorry, more specifically, does it have syntax highlighting for PHP/CSS/XHTML/SQL?
[08:11] <poolie> do you want to remove the physical devices or the vgs?
[08:11] <b0ne> alecwh: it should
[08:11] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: I think dankee is dutch for "thank you"
[08:11] <bluebanana> what do guys think of amaya (in repo)?
[08:12] <poolie> Glave-work, you can try vgchange bad_vg --available n
[08:12] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: I may have gotten the language of origin wrong though...
[08:12] <neozen> Megaqwerty: it might very well be
[08:12] <alecwh> meh, I'm happy with gphpedit. It's got a few bugs, but I really like it.
[08:12] <Megaqwerty> Ah, b0ne beat me to is
[08:12] <Glave-work> poolie: I have tried removing a group that had a hard drive die, but I cannot seem to completely get rid of it. lvdisplay and pvdisplay return nothing, but do generate an input/output error referencing those files
[08:12] <Megaqwerty> *it
[08:12] <alecwh> bluebanana, wouldn't recommend it.
[08:12] <poolie> you want to totally get rid of the vg?
[08:12] <bluebanana> someone recommended i use gphpedit. Is that for html files, or only for PHP files?
[08:12] <Ashton_K> Okay, maybe someone can explain this. I recently switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo (got tired of managing EVERYTHING), and my ethernet cable worked fine. After recently replacing said cable, it will NOT hold a connection. It'll connect at first, but it seems to give out after a while.
[08:13] <poolie> does vgs show it?
[08:13] <alecwh> I don't think a newer web developer would like that.
[08:13] <bluebanana> alecwh, ok. i won't use it
[08:13] <geekkit> whoa ... what's up with ubuntuforums and the update manager web sites? they're all down :-(
[08:13] <Ashton_K> See the topic.
[08:13] <insomniac190> is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ down atm?
[08:13] <neozen> geekkit: see topic
[08:13] <Megaqwerty> yes
[08:13] <alecwh> geekkit, read the title.
[08:13] <alecwh> :P
[08:13] <neozen> insomniac190: yes
[08:13] <insomniac190> haha ohhh
[08:13] <iambob> !graphics card
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about graphics card - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <Glave-work> poolie: the system no longer thinks it has a vg at all, but generates errors on any scans for it
[08:13] <mhz`> /topic #
[08:13] <geekkit> neozen, alecwh: thanks sorry
[08:13] <iambob> !botsnack
[08:13] <neozen> geekkit: no worries
[08:13] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:13] <neozen> LOL
[08:13] <neozen> they changed it!
[08:14] <deedee> hi guys
[08:14] <neozen> deedee: hoallo
[08:14] <Glave-work> poolie: like this from the command you suggested: /dev/mapper/lvm2|lvm-raid|lvm0: read failed after 0 of 4096 at<PHONE_NUMBER>912: Input/output error
[08:14] <Glave-work> Volume group "lvm-raid" not found
[08:14] <Megaqwerty> lol
[08:14] <poolie> what's the error? what commands give it
[08:14] <alecwh> I'm looking at Cinelerra, is this a good video editing app?
[08:14] <geekkit> neozen: kinda scared me. i have book marks to all kinds of forum posts for how to do all kinds of things so knowing that they're always there is a comfort. but i suppose even now and again google goes down too eh?
[08:14] <deedee> oh yea..raid in linux..is interesting
[08:14] <koshari> i havnt heard of enyone actually getting cinnerella to work!
[08:14] <iambob> what is my graphics card i typed in lspci but what do i do know
[08:14] <bluebanana> bluebanana, !html
[08:15] <alecwh> geekkit, never had google go down...
[08:15] <Ashton_K> Uhh, look up your pc....
[08:15] <Glave-work> poolie: vgs returns nothing but vgs
[08:15] <neozen> geekkit: no worries.... they think its a network problem not a server problem
[08:15] <Ashton_K> Find the stats on it.
[08:15] <Megaqwerty> geekkit: on a related note, you can put cache:website.com into google...it should give you it's version of the page
[08:15] <Glave-work> poolie: err, returns nothing but /dev/mapper/Error|lvm2|lvm-raid|pv1: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error
[08:15] <geekkit> alecwh: i have. or at least the google mail end of things
[08:15] <poolie> Glave-work, wow, i'd probably try having a look through /etc/lvm to see if there's any reference to it still there
[08:15] <poolie> have you physically removed the disks?
[08:15] <neozen> Megaqwerty: good thinking
[08:15] <biotrox> need software to track down spyware
[08:15] <biotrox> anybody..?
[08:15] <insomniac190> is there issues with ubuntu feisty fawn and the Fn button on laptops?
[08:15] <geekkit> megaqwerty: thanks for that tip, that's a good one :-)
[08:16] <b0ne> define "track down"
[08:16] <neozen> geekkit: and there's always the way back machine @ web.archive.org
[08:16] <Megaqwerty> geekkit: you're welcome
[08:16] <biotrox> to make vanish
[08:16] <bruenig> insomniac190, there is issues with linux and the Fn buttons on laptops
[08:16] <neozen> insomniac190: what kind of issues?
[08:16] <b0ne> on windows?
[08:16] <bluebanana> i can't find Kompozer in add/remove
[08:16] <crackerbox> biotrox: hijackthis, systernals processxp?
[08:16] <biotrox> ubuntu ofcourse
[08:16] <bluebanana> !html
[08:16] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[08:16] <geekkit> neozen: thanks for that link :-) this is a new one to me :-)
[08:16] <crackerbox> ew ... spyware in ubuntu??
[08:16] <bruenig> bluebanana, sudo apt-get install kompozer
[08:16] <bruenig> !info kompozer
[08:16] <Ashton_K> Anyone here used Metisse, is it worth the trouble?
[08:16] <ubotu> Package kompozer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:16] <bluebanana> bruenig, why isn't it in add/remove?
[08:16] <biotrox> ya spyware in ubuntu
[08:16] <neozen> geekkit: lol... I love the way back machine
[08:17] <bruenig> hmm, what is it called
[08:17] <biotrox> i know it will not effect ubuntu
[08:17] <alecwh> !ccc
[08:17] <bruenig> !find kompozer
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ccc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <crackerbox> how in the world did that happen??
[08:17] <insomniac190> neozen, when I try to use anyof the funtions, none work.  Brighten and dim screen for example.
[08:17] <alecwh> !css
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> !nvu
[08:17] <bruenig> bluebanana, add/remove is garbage
[08:17] <ubotu> Package/file kompozer does not exist in feisty
[08:17] <biotrox> but my environment has heterogen os
[08:17] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:17] <ubotu> nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not in the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but add your name to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WaitingForNvuFeisty to be notified when packages are available.  See also !html.
[08:17] <neozen> geekkit: recovered my web page when my provider killed my account
[08:17] <geekkit> neozen: i think im going to love it too :-)
[08:17] <bluebanana> someone in this room told me about kompozer
[08:17] <bluebanana> bruenig, i like using add/remove
[08:17] <bluebanana> I guess that means I like garbage. 8-)
[08:17] <Jordan_U> bruenig, How so ?
[08:17] <crackerbox> dont know exactly what that is
[08:17] <biotrox> so anybody got a solution for removing spyware in ubuntu
[08:17] <biotrox> ....?
[08:17] <b0ne> i don't think spyware really exists on ubuntu
[08:18] <alecwh> !css
[08:18] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:18] <bruenig> Jordan_U, limited number of apps, slow waste of time
[08:18] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: it's in either the multiverse or universe repositories
[08:18] <Jordan_U> biotrox, How did you install spyware in Ubuntu?
[08:18] <neozen> geekkit: they don't have everything though... (usually only text/html files) and they only do a grab every once in a while
[08:18] <geekkit> neozen: wow, hah, it has my old site from like 2004!! haha that's grand
[08:18] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: can't remember which
[08:18] <bruenig> Megaqwerty, ubuto says it is nowhere
[08:18] <neozen> geekkit: yep
[08:18] <qnyc> biotrox, how can you hide spyware in open source software?
[08:18] <biotrox> i don't know
[08:18] <bluebanana> Megaqwerty, i think i have multi and uni turned on in add/remove (sources.list)
[08:18] <Megaqwerty> bruenig: it is in ther
[08:18] <Megaqwerty> I think
[08:18] <neozen> bionoid: answer is ... you can't
[08:18] <bruenig> !find kompozer | Megaqwerty
[08:18] <cotyrothery> How can i tell what type of graphics card my freind has
[08:18] <b0ne> biotrox: what makes you think you have spyware?
[08:18] <biotrox> i'm affraid my computer has spyware
[08:18] <ubotu> megaqwerty: Package/file kompozer does not exist in feisty
[08:18] <Jordan_U> bruenig, It is nice for new users though, I think the same thing of synaptic minus the limited number of apps
[08:18] <qnyc> biotrox, what's the problem?
[08:18] <Glave-work> poolie: nothing in lvm except the conf file, which doesn't reference it. I can stop lvm, delete everything in /dev/mapper, and then start it, and the 'errored devices' still get recreated
[08:18] <crackerbox> it must have been the proprietary ATI drivers...
[08:18] <LuCiFeR|> are there any mirrors of security.ubuntu.com that aren't in the mnet datacenter?
[08:18] <Megaqwerty> ah, so it doesn't.
[08:18] <biotrox> and i want to know how to detect the spyware in ubuntu
[08:19] <crackerbox> bundled with ad-ware
[08:19] <GoreNuru> hi! Help me someone please. I have no sound problem in ubuntu 7.04 (
[08:19] <neozen> biotrox: whats going on that you think you have spyware?
[08:19] <bruenig> Jordan_U, it is synaptic in python with less apps (synaptic too is a waste but at least you know it has all the apps and isn't slow)
[08:19] <qnyc> biotrox, there are no spyware or viruses in linux
[08:19] <bluebanana> is it worth learning html if there are WYSIWYG? We don't need to learn code when we are using office apps. How come we do when we make websites?
[08:19] <geekkit> biotrox: i dont think you have spyware on your computer
[08:19] <crackerbox> biotrox... basically list processes
[08:19] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:8cZXij7S__MJ:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kompozer+kompozer+ubuntu&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
[08:19] <b0ne> qnyc: not really true, there are plenty of rootkits for linux
[08:19] <cotyrothery> I really need to figure my freinds gfx card out
[08:19] <alecwh> bluebanana, if that's your view, then you don't need to be convinced. ;)
[08:19] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: actually...I think there was an easier way
[08:20] <bluebanana> alecwh, i'm open to reasoning. 8-)
[08:20] <b0ne> biotrox: if you're that concerned about it, download one of the linux based anti-viruses
[08:20] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=Kompozer
[08:20] <Jordan_U> bruenig, If you don't know what you want it is much easier to find interesting apps in Add/Remove than synaptic. Add/Remove is what got my friend hooked on Linux
[08:20] <crackerbox> i think biotrox enabled root login in GDM
[08:20] <bluebanana> Megaqwerty, so you're saying kompozer is not in repo, yes?
[08:20] <neozen> qnyc: indeed.... and there was a virus for vi a long time back
[08:20] <jmak642> wow that must be a pretty serious problem with those web servers
[08:20] <crackerbox> and went to pron sites
[08:20] <bruenig> Jordan_U, apt-cache search
[08:20] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: it would appear so.
[08:20] <astro76> bluebanana, you might want to just try bluefish
[08:20] <biotrox> i already use bitdefender in my ubuntu
[08:20] <alecwh> bluebanana, I'm going to be honest... you really don't need to know html/css unless you're set on dedicating time to it...
[08:20] <Jordan_U> bruenig, Again, if you don't know what you are looking for
[08:21] <biotrox> is it enough..?
[08:21] <alecwh> I'd suggest w3schools.com if you really want to.
[08:21] <b0ne> biotrox: yes
[08:21] <cotyrothery> Jordan_U: Hey we really can not figure out the gfx card
[08:21] <bruenig> Jordan_U, what do you mean, if I want flash, I do "apt-cache search flash"
[08:21] <neozen> biotrox: linux is secure mon... especially if you don't allow remote users
[08:21] <biotrox> oo no need to worry about other things..?
[08:21] <geekkit> bluebanana: we learn XHTML, CSS, Javascript because no WYSIWYG tool is capable of correctly adhering to all of the rules of that language and how it all renders
[08:21] <bruenig> Jordan_U, if I want a media player I do "apt-cache show media"
[08:21] <astro76> biotrox, what is the problem?
[08:21] <bluebanana> yeah, I'm just developing a website for our small church. i don't see webmastering in my future as a career.
[08:21] <bruenig> search*
[08:21] <b0ne> paranoia is biotrox's problem :/
[08:21] <crackerbox> seems like it
[08:22] <alecwh> geekkit, Microsoft Expression almost has it right.
[08:22] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: Kompozer is the best wysiwyg I have used. that getdeb link I gave you will give you a file you can download, and double-click to install. easy.
[08:22] <Jordan_U> bruenig, If you are new to Linux and want to find interesting applications that it has what do you search for?
[08:22] <alecwh> But I mostly agree.
[08:22] <bruenig> Jordan_U, like what
[08:22] <neozen> bionoid: keep the beast up to date (do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade) every once in a while... and you'll be just fine
[08:22] <geekkit> alecwh: do they comply with XHTML yet? and CSS 2? and javascript?
[08:22] <cotyrothery> I need to know my gfx card
[08:22] <cotyrothery> actually my freinds gfx card
[08:22] <geekkit> alecwh: last time i checked they were far from compliance
[08:22] <neozen> Jordan_U: I've found linuxappfinder.com to be pretty good
[08:23] <alecwh> Yes, I've used it. (x)HTML is awesomely rendered, even more so than their browsers....
[08:23] <Jordan_U> bruenig, Like my friend went through the entire list of apps in Add/Remove one day and installed the things that he found interesting
[08:23] <alecwh> CSS is also very supported.
[08:23] <neozen> Jordan_U: they've certainly got a bias towards certain apps... but the suggestions they give aren't bad for new users
[08:23] <alecwh> CSS2.
[08:23] <alecwh> I don't think CSS2.1 was implimented...
[08:23] <geekkit> alecwh: exactly ... in their browsers
[08:23] <Megaqwerty> neozen: cool link.
[08:23] <cotyrothery> I need somone to please help me out in figuring out my gfx card
[08:23] <neozen> cotyrothery: is he running linux?
[08:23] <geekkit> alecwh: so not compliant with the rest of the world so basically if you want non-M$ browsers you have to tweak. ergo you need to dip into the code
[08:23] <crackerbox> coty... what brand?
[08:24] <cotyrothery> yes
[08:24] <biotrox> another issue
[08:24] <cotyrothery> neozen: yes he is
[08:24] <crackerbox> and what model?
[08:24] <biotrox> i can't make my resolution to be stable
[08:24] <geekkit> alecwh: sure it was
[08:24] <alecwh> Meh. It's just... better to know HTML/CSS. The web is the future, and if you wanna be apart of it, you gotta follow the rules.
[08:24] <biotrox> sometimes 1024 x 768
[08:24] <crackerbox> im out of here
[08:24] <biotrox> somtimes 1280 x 1-24
[08:24] <biotrox> how to fix this
[08:24] <b0ne> biotrox: do you have integrated video on your motherboard or a seperate video card?
[08:24] <Newbuntu2> Hello all. I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers, but the restricted drivers manager says my hardware doesn't need restricted drivers... help!
[08:24] <neozen> ........strange
[08:24] <biotrox> seperated
[08:24] <neozen> biotrox: what kind of card?
[08:25] <biotrox> riva tnt2
[08:25] <biotrox> old card
[08:25] <alecwh> geekkit, no, they released it before it became a recommendation.
[08:25] <neozen> anyone got one of those in here?
[08:25] <alecwh> ...I think.
[08:25] <crackerbox> someone fix LibCurl please
[08:25] <neozen> crackerbox: lol.....
[08:25] <geekkit> alecwh: oh i c what you mean. ok.
[08:25] <Jordan_U> Newbuntu2, Try sudo dpkg-reconfigure restricted-manager
[08:25] <crackerbox> for the love of god
[08:25] <geekkit> alecwh: yeah, it kind of got ahead of itself ;-)
[08:25] <alecwh> geekkit, join #cssdis
[08:25] <neozen> crackerbox: um... what's wrong w/ it?
[08:26] <biotrox> anybody....?
[08:26] <neozen> crackerbox: is it broken?
[08:26] <bruenig> Jordan_U, I guess that seems weird to me, I think to myself, I need x, so then I look for something that provides it. If you need a list of software to mess with, seems like you can find one online
[08:26] <crackerbox> yes
[08:26] <crackerbox> big time
[08:26] <neozen> bionoid: when the forums come back up
[08:26] <crackerbox> devs know about it
[08:26] <crackerbox> last working one was in edgy
[08:26] <koshari> nv driver should cover rivr tnt cards for 2d,
[08:26] <crackerbox> gusty's will work
[08:26] <biotrox> hello i am expecting answers
[08:26] <neozen> biotrox: when the forums come back up... which will be real soon now.... search for the model there
[08:26] <crackerbox> but feisty is just farked
[08:26] <neozen> biotrox: its 1:30am here in chicago mon
[08:26] <koshari> i wouldnt expect high resolution as its only a 4meg card
[08:27] <neozen> biotrox: you should be patient
[08:27] <crackerbox> the issues occurs when using curlftpfs
[08:27] <b0ne> tnt's have 16 to 32mb
[08:27] <biotrox> so what must i search in the forums..?
[08:27] <crackerbox> that program allows you to mount a ftp server as a local folder
[08:27] <crackerbox> very very cool
[08:27] <neozen> biotrox: forums are down right now
[08:27] <crackerbox> exactly what my project needs
[08:27] <cotyrothery> How can i figure out what my freinds gfx card is PLEASE
[08:27] <Newbuntu2> jordan_u: didn't do anything...
[08:28] <biotrox> neozen.. what forums..? ubuntu forums..?
[08:28] <crackerbox> but in feisty due to a known bug in the version of libcurl... it is very unstable
[08:28] <bluebanana> Megaqwerty, ok. i'm installing kompozer now. thanks.
[08:28] <EADG_> cotyrothery: in a term type lspci
[08:28] <neozen> biotrox: aye.. ubuntuforums.org
[08:28] <koshari> tnt with 32? i recal banshees had 16, i got a riva here with 4
[08:28] <b0ne> biotrox: if you search google for tnt resolution ubuntu
[08:28] <cotyrothery> EADG_: we have done that but we dont understand it
[08:28] <b0ne> it will take you to a ubuntuforums.org link complaining of 1024x768 resolution max
[08:28] <Megaqwerty> bluebanana: You're welcome, and happy Web Designing!
[08:28] <biotrox> ooo oke
[08:28] <crackerbox> i wrote a pretty detailed white up on the forum about it... here let me get you a link...
[08:28] <Jordan_U> Newbuntu2, Ok, it helped someone else with your same problem, do you have only one GFX card ?
[08:28] <neozen> cotyrothery: get to a terminal
[08:28] <crackerbox> damn
[08:28] <biotrox> thanks neozon
[08:28] <neozen> cotyrothery: type lspci
[08:28] <biotrox> ubuntuforums
[08:28] <cotyrothery> yea but what does it all mean
[08:28] <cotyrothery> we get lots of stuff poping up
[08:29] <neozen> cotyrothery: you have to read it
[08:29] <biotrox> searc for tnt resolution ubuntu
[08:29] <b0ne> yep
[08:29] <cotyrothery> neozen: we have
[08:29] <Newbuntu2> jordan_u, yes; windows calls it "quadro NVS 110M"
[08:29] <cotyrothery> neozen: we dont understand it
[08:29] <neozen> cotyrothery: one of the lines in there will be a graphics card
[08:29] <cotyrothery> neozen: can we pastebin it
[08:29] <neozen> cotyrothery: look for nvidia, ati, intel
[08:29] <b0ne> we?
[08:29] <EADG_> cotyrothery: will say something like VGA compatable...
[08:29] <neozen> cotyrothery: if pastebin is up.. yes you can
[08:30] <crackerbox> ahhhh
[08:30] <aditsu> can anybody access ubuntuforums? it seems to be down, is there a mirror?
[08:30] <crackerbox> no
[08:30] <crackerbox> its down
[08:30] <b0ne> aditsu: topic
[08:30] <crackerbox> killing my self
[08:30] <neozen> aditsu: no.. its down... no mirror... try the google cach for your particular page
[08:30] <crackerbox> cause its down
[08:30] <Jordan_U> Newbuntu2, You could install xorg-video-nvidia and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[08:30] <neozen> *cache
[08:30] <Megaqwerty> aditsu: it's down, but if you put cache:ubuntuforums.org into google.com, it should come up
[08:30] <Newbuntu2> jordan_u: do I use apt-get to install that?
[08:31] <neozen> well... I've got screen set to alert me the second ubuntuforums starts responding to ping
[08:31] <neozen> now we play the waiting game
[08:31] <cotyrothery> EADG_: neozen: http://pastebin.com/m4c9c4948
[08:31] <Jordan_U> Newbuntu2, Yes, I think I have the package name wrong though
[08:31] <neozen> ...what a sad thing to happen
[08:31] <rsteele> ?
[08:31] <biotrox> oke
[08:31] <Jordan_U> Newbuntu2, nvidia-glx is what you need I think
[08:31] <biotrox> another problem
[08:31] <biotrox> my auto-mounting cdrom  doesn't work
[08:32] <cotyrothery> EADG_: neozen: can you guys make any sense of it
[08:32] <biotrox> not ubuntu actually
[08:32] <ghostx> biotrox, r u using gnome ?
[08:32] <biotrox> but kubuntu
[08:32] <biotrox> using kde
[08:32] <EADG_> cotyrothery: your friends vid card is... Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 CGC
[08:32] <ShangWu_> neozen, do u know why ???
[08:32] <neozen> cotyrothery: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 03)
[08:32] <cotyrothery> EADG_: which is
[08:32] <biotrox> ghostx i'm using kde
[08:32] <neozen> ShangWu_: network problem apparently
[08:32] <biotrox> which is kubuntu
[08:33] <neozen> ShangWu_: all data is still intact...
[08:33] <neozen> ShangWu_: just not accessible atm
[08:33] <Jordan_U> bionoid, #kubuntu
[08:33] <neozen> ShangWu_: was the last I heard
[08:33] <biotrox> oke
[08:33] <biotrox> thanks
[08:33] <ShangWu_> neozen, um ....
[08:33] <neozen> biotrox: you're welcome
[08:33] <biotrox> hiks
[08:33] <neozen> biotrox: have patience
[08:33] <biotrox> i'm banned from kubuntu
[08:33] <cotyrothery> EADG_: neozen: what type of gfx card is that so we can configure it
[08:33] <EADG_> cotyrothery: A video chipset made by Intel.
[08:33] <astro76> cotyrothery, which is an Intel 82810E (Intel 810 family)
[08:33] <cotyrothery> what model like mine is i810
[08:33] <neozen> biotrox: remember... we're all here for free
[08:34] <neozen> cotyrothery: yeah... use the i810 driver
[08:34] <biotrox> neozen i've been banned from kubuntu
[08:34] <neozen> biotrox: well... what'd you do
[08:34] <b0ne> rofl
[08:34] <Billy> what is the camand to find out what kind of a file a file is?
[08:34] <cotyrothery> astro76: EADG_; neozen: now we need to get his computer to do 3d acceleration
[08:34] <b0ne> probably demanded attention
[08:34] <neozen> lol
[08:35] <biotrox> forgot
[08:35] <biotrox> already
[08:35] <klassicd> what's the command to watch changes to a file
[08:35] <drago> Billy: file
[08:35] <neozen> biotrox: its true.... you don't get much in linux by demanding it..... unless... you have money
[08:35] <neozen> biotrox: then your stuff gets written
[08:35] <Jordan_U> biotrox, You don't get banned permanently, it can't have been too long ago
[08:35] <neozen> bionoid: or .. you code it yourself
[08:35] <ShangWu_> Ubuntu is BACK !!!!
[08:35] <EADG_> klassicd: tail -f file iirc
[08:36] <biotrox> hiks :(
[08:36] <neozen> WHEE!!!!!!!!!
[08:36] <b0ne> has anyone attempted to create a raid 0 array with mdadm and received an error about one of the devices being busy?
[08:36] <klassicd> thank you EADG_
[08:36] <drago> Billy: mean file some_file_name.ext
[08:36] <Billy> drago thank you
[08:36] <insomniac190> can anyone recommend a good usb wireless optical mouse that will fully function in feisty?  possibly with workin side button?
[08:37] <Jordan_U> !hardware | insomniac190
[08:37] <ubotu> insomniac190: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:37] <_markt> what is this about? "E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-security_universe_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)"?
[08:37] <biotrox> please op in ubuntu
[08:37] <biotrox> don't banned me from kubuntu
[08:37] <biotrox> :(
[08:37] <LukeEkbla1> Hello
[08:37] <LukeEkbla1> I have a question.  Dose anyone know how to get that snow affect?
[08:38] <random1> Okay
[08:38] <random1> So
[08:38] <b0ne> man too much noise
[08:38] <ghostx> !as LukeEkbla1
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about as lukeekbla1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <astro76> _markt, what command produced that?
[08:38] <ghostx> !ask LukeEkbla1
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask lukeekbla1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <_markt> astro76: apt-get build-dep fluxbox
[08:38] <b0ne> wb
[08:38] <ghostx> damit
[08:38] <biotrox> |flux-box
[08:38] <astro76> _markt, probably because ubuntu.com is down currently
[08:38] <biotrox> !flux-box
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flux-box - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <random1> I got ubuntu to install finally.
[08:39] <random1> And it said oh it's done take out the cd.
[08:39] <LukeEkbla1> what?
[08:39] <random1> And it rebooted.
[08:39] <ghostx> LukeEkbla1, its in extras in beryl
[08:40] <random1> And then it said there was no operating system. =(
[08:40] <b0ne> did you tell it to use the whole disk?
[08:40] <random1> Yes.
[08:40] <Jordan_U> random1, Do you have more than one drive?
[08:40] <random1> No.
[08:40] <_markt> oh man, oh man, I can't wait to get out of gnome
[08:40] <neozen> random1: awwwwwwwwwwwwww
[08:41] <b0ne> i'd verify in your bios that your boot configuration is set correctly, like floppys first, cdroms second, then hard drives
[08:41] <LukeEkbla1> ghostx:    Extras?
[08:41] <neozen> _markt: lol.... perhaps you should have installed a different version of ubuntu
[08:41] <Jordan_U> random1, Possibly try re-installing GRUB ?
[08:41] <neozen> _markt: ie ... kubuntu or ubuntu... or even ubuntu-lite
[08:41] <ghostx> LukeEkbla1, yea in your beryl-settings
[08:41] <neozen> *xubuntu
[08:41] <_markt> I tried installing gentoo; I couldn't get the kernel to boot
[08:42] <LukeEkbla1> ghostx:   ok,  i looked and i dont have snow of extras
[08:42] <_markt> I'll probably try again in a week, but I really need this new laptop this weekend
[08:42] <neozen> _markt: lol..... well install one of the ubuntu's .. it will just work
[08:42] <ghostx> LukeEkbla1, you need to install it using ur package manager aka apt-get. umm beryl-extras or something
[08:42] <neozen> _markt: depending on the laptop you might need to tweak a few things
[08:43] <neozen> _markt: but it will WORK
[08:43] <_markt> it is working
[08:43] <neozen> _markt: what kind of laptop?
[08:43] <_markt> dell inspiron 1501
[08:43] <Billy> this file how can I open it the top of it reads in text editor like so.. it was supost to be a pdf?  From: "WEB.DE VoiceBox"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:43] <Billy> To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:43] <Billy> Subject: Fax-Nachricht von Tel: unbekannt an Tel: 01212-5-13424894
[08:43] <Billy> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:36:02 +0200
[08:43] <Billy> Message-ID<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:43] <neozen> _markt: btw... welcome to the fold
[08:43] <Billy> MIME-Version: 1.0
[08:43] <Billy> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
[08:43] <Billy> 	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7C323.BE116070"
[08:43] <Billy> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
[08:43] <b0ne> wow billy
[08:43] <Billy> Thread-Index: AcfC5n5DMIpm1GCnTQuNa9OHb1upjA==
[08:43] <Billy> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138
[08:43] <Billy> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
[08:43] <neozen> Billy: no pasting in there
[08:43] <Billy> ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7C323.BE116070
[08:43] <Billy> Content-Type: text/plain;
[08:43] <Billy> 	charset="iso-8859-15"
[08:43] <Billy> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
[08:43] <Billy> ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7C323.BE116070
[08:43] <EADG_> Billy: stop
[08:43] <Billy> Content-Type: application/pdf;
[08:43] <Billy> 	name="fax.pdf"
[08:43] <Billy> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
[08:44] <Billy> Content-Disposition: attachment;
[08:44] <b0ne> oh boy, we're gonna get base64
[08:44] <b0ne> lol
[08:44] <Billy> 	filename="fax.pdf"
[08:44] <astro76> !pastebin | Billy
[08:44] <ubotu> Billy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:44] <neozen> Billy: oh hell.. its a pdf
[08:44] <Billy> O sorry did not know we were not allowed to do that...
[08:44] <neozen> Billy: right up there in the topic
[08:44] <ghostx> lol!!!
[08:44] <b0ne> pasting entire emails is never appropriate on irc
[08:44] <neozen> Billy: really a good idea to read those on freenode
[08:45] <ghostx> neozen, not*
[08:45] <neozen> Billy: and any place else.... failing to do so... might get you rolled
[08:45] <Billy> I thought it was a pdf but I could not open it with my pdf vewer..  "Where is the topic at"?
[08:45] <ste-foy> Bonne nuit tout le monde. Good night every one.
[08:45] <astro76> Billy, it will display when you join or type /topic
[08:45] <ghostx> Billy, use rafb.net/paste or something similar
[08:45] <_markt> hrm, anything that can be done about "package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)"?
[08:45] <EADG_> Billy:  /topic
[08:46] <Billy> awsome thanks
[08:46] <Billy> and sorry I hate looking like a boob.
[08:46] <alecwh> Ubuntu is back up. :D
[08:47] <_markt> well, I still get the universe file error, so that wasn't it
[08:48] <josh_marshall> Hey guys... anyone experiencing almost periodic gnome lags in the new feisty release?
[08:48] <josh_marshall> *newer*
[08:48] <bruenig> use xfce
[08:49] <bruenig> !info wifi-radar
[08:49] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional.  I'm an obsessive re-installer... :)
[08:51] <compengi> kr00lplatinum, you need to type only sudo apt-get remove package-that-you-want-to-remove
[08:52] <alecwh> josh_marshall, no shame in that. ;)
[08:52] <bruenig> xfce keyboard setup is superior to gnome and I am a keyboard nut
[08:52] <neozen> josh_marshall: I'm a huge fan of xfce on NON resource-challenged machines
[08:52] <bruenig> I couldn't stand gnome's nonsense
[08:52] <alecwh> We are alike..
[08:52] <Keyseir> Anyone here play WoW through Wine and just install the new patch I can talk to?
[08:52] <alecwh> neozen, what is xfce?
[08:52] <bruenig> !xfce
[08:52] <josh_marshall> I use WoW through Wine, but I haven't paid for my account this month...
[08:52] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[08:52] <b0ne> alecwh, you and google don't get along so well eh? :)
[08:52] <neozen> alecwh: an alternative desktop environment to gnome or kde
[08:52] <josh_marshall> Has there been a patch in the latest week or so?
[08:53] <Jordan_U> josh_marshall, Try #winehq
[08:53] <_markt> yeah, it still can't connect to security.ubuntu.com
[08:53] <alecwh> and it's good? :P
[08:53] <Keyseir> Josh_marshall, Yes. And while I downloaded it fine, it won't restart and finish installing.
[08:53] <josh_marshall> It was running fine for me over the weekend...
[08:53] <alecwh> I've got a really nice PC, I want to use it's POWER!
[08:53] <neozen> alecwh: ::grins::
[08:53] <bob301> install boinc and folding@home
[08:53] <neozen> alecwh: you want absolute resource utilization ... you use gentoo
[08:53] <alecwh> I'm an eyecandy person....
[08:53] <josh_marshall> Jordan_U: Thanks, I wasn't asking for help, I was trying to helpKeyseir...
[08:54] <kr00lplatinum> Ok so I tired to get my audio working for a creative card. Someone created a .deb I installed it and now no audio works and it can't find anything. How do i remove that it's called "oss-linux_v4.0-1004_i386.deb
[08:54] <neozen> alecwh: you want it to WORK you use one of the ubuntus or perhaps foresight
[08:54] <Keyseir> ubotu, tell alecwh about compiz
[08:54] <neozen> Keyseir: ubotu is a bot
[08:54] <b0ne> lol
[08:54] <neozen> Keyseir: you use it like this
[08:54] <neozen> !compiz
[08:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:54] <neozen> and thank it like this
[08:54] <alecwh> lol
[08:54] <gdb> I'm pretty sure "tell soandso about topic" works as well
[08:54] <neozen> !botsnack
[08:54] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:54] <Madpilot> neozen, sure, but a bot intelligent enough to understand what Keyseir just said...
[08:54] <Keyseir> It's been a while.
[08:55] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell neozen about yourself
[08:55] <compengi> kr00lplatinum, go to synaptic package manager and search for it there, then remove it
[08:55] <gdb> ubotu then sends the information in a /msg
[08:55] <_markt> I wish I knew what to do with this page: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/amd64/pidgin
[08:55] <josh_marshall> Anyone in here had much success with Gnash?
[08:55] <josh_marshall> Yay4pidgin.
[08:55] <neozen> lol
[08:55] <kr00lplatinum> compengi: where would that be located, n00b here
[08:55] <neozen> Madpilot: didn't know it could parse things like that
[08:56] <compengi> kr00lplatinum, system>administration>synaptic package manager
[08:56] <astro76> kr00lplatinum, dpkg --remove or dpkg --purge, synaptic will not work
[08:56] <Madpilot> neozen, there are days I'm convinced the bot is the cleverest critter in this channel. Myself included, naturally. :)
[08:56] <bruenig> kr00lplatinum, just do sudo apt-get remove whateverthepackagewasnamed
[08:56] <neozen> josh_marshall: sadly.. i just use the adobe flash player.... and I hate it so... when firefox goes boom... its generally at fault
[08:56] <kr00lplatinum> bruenig: that didn't work
[08:56] <bruenig> kr00lplatinum, what did it say
[08:56] <neozen> Madpilot: lol
[08:57] <kr00lplatinum> bruenig: couldn't be found
[08:57] <neozen> Madpilot: anywhere else but irc... that could be a bad thing
[08:57] <josh_marshall> neozen: Yeah, I read that Gnash was going to be implemented (is that correct?) in Gutsy, but when I tried the package for Feisty, YouTube threw up all over Firefox.
[08:57] <legacy> #ubuntu-es
[08:57] <josh_marshall> *Er, Swiftfox.
[08:57] <bob301> When I worked at SOE, someone wrote a bot for the internal dev IRC channel that would throw out random Chuck Norris 'info' any time someone used the word 'Chuck' in a sentence.
[08:57] <neozen> ..........that's annoying
[08:58] <bruenig> kr00lplatinum, you did sudo apt-get remove oss-linux
[08:58] <jmak642> hey is there still a problem with the ubuntu websites?  I cant access a package that is supposed to be on security.ubuntu.com
[08:58] <bruenig> right?
[08:58] <neozen> what about upchuck
[08:58] <bruenig> jmak642, they were running on ubuntu so they were having the normal issues
[08:58] <_markt> security.ubuntu.com is still down
[08:58] <_markt> the others seem to be up
[08:58] <Madpilot> bob301, ubotu knows about Chuck too - try @chuck in #ubuntu-offtopic...
[08:58] <kr00lplatinum> bruenig: i found it in the package manager
[08:59] <bruenig> kr00lplatinum, did you run the command I said
[08:59] <neozen> Madpilot: oh bloody hell.... not chuck norris
[08:59] <jmak642> _markt: any idea when they are coming back up or an alternate location i can get the package for libpulse0?
[08:59] <bruenig> or not, what was your exact command
[08:59] <astro76> I guess everyone is trying to grab the openoffice update
[08:59] <bob301> neozen: yes, it was a simple pattern match. upchuck, woodchuck, any kind of chuck.
[08:59] <kr00lplatinum> bruenig: "E: oss-linux: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2"
[08:59] <Madpilot> neozen, only in -offtopic. ubotu has some manners...
[09:00] <Pretor1ab> anyone know how to use GIMP?
[09:00] <bruenig> kr00lplatinum, oh, prerm script, there is a way but I am super tired and it is involved
[09:00] <ghostx> Pretor1ab, umm to do what ?
[09:00] <bruenig> Pretor1ab, click on it in the menus and just sort of click around
[09:00] <kr00lplatinum> bruenig: what do you suggest i do to get rid of it?
[09:00] <ghostx> LOL
[09:00] <Pretor1ab> anyone know how to use GIMP ---> by using the command line
[09:00] <jmak642> Pretor1ab: there is a channel #gimp
[09:00] <Vletmix> jmak642: I've been using http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/archive.ubuntu.com instead of security.ubuntu.com and it seems to work fine
[09:00] <Pretor1ab> come on over jmak642 you are most welcome
[09:00] <_markt> Pretor1ab: that doesn't seem to make any sense
[09:01] <Pretor1ab> anyone know how to use GIMP ---> by using the command line batch commands
[09:01] <jmak642> Vletmix: how can i tell apt-get to use that for its sources?
[09:01] <ghostx> Pretor1ab, gimp --help
[09:01] <Billou62_> bonjour ;)
[09:01] <Pretor1ab> ghostx, i already thought of that :)
[09:01] <bruenig> kr00lplatinum, in /var somewhere, there is a file called oss-linux.prerm, delete it, I don't know where it is as I am not using ubuntu any longer but I know it is in that directory somewhere
[09:02] <josh_marshall> Pretorlab: man gimp?
[09:02] <RoC_MasterMind> I have my hard drive configured as a IDE slave...if I switch it to master, will Ubuntu still boot properly and work...or will it be confused with thte device name changes?
[09:02] <kr00lplatinum> does anyone know where a n00b to Ubuntu and linux for that matter would be located. I would like a paperback if you could suggest any, websites are good too!
[09:03] <Vletmix> jmak642: Here's my sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29442/plain/
[09:03] <captbaritone> I originaly installed Ubuntu server addition and then installed Gnome on top. Now when I run things like emacs in a terminal window they open their own window. Is there a standard way to have things just run in the terminal?
[09:03] <Vletmix> jmak642: You could just: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.original
[09:03] <_markt> kr00lplatinum: I'm a noob to ubuntu but not linux; does that count?
[09:04] <poolie> Pretor1ab, i think you need to feed it a list of SIOD lisp commands
[09:04] <Pretor1ab> sounds like what i need poolie
[09:04] <ghostx> _markt, if your not new to linux, im pretty sure ur not a noob to ubuntu :)
[09:04] <Pretor1ab> i have a hard time understanding how to write the procedure syntax commands poolie
[09:04] <poolie> http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/
[09:05] <_markt> oh yes I am
[09:05] <poolie> what are you trying to do?
[09:05] <LukeEkbla1> I neeed help
[09:05] <_markt> I haven't figured out how to install (or uninstall for that matter) much of anything yet
[09:05] <Pretor1ab> poolie, been there since last night re-reading the same text
[09:05] <LukeEkbla1> Is there a way to do like a system restore?
[09:05] <Pretor1ab> poolie, just trying to run a batch auto-levels command
[09:05] <ghostx> !ask LukeEbla1
[09:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask lukeebla1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:05] <poolie> across a series of images or something?
[09:06] <ghostx> dammit x 2
[09:06] <poolie> i assume you don't know Scheme?
[09:06] <LukeEkbla1> ok
[09:06] <LukeEkbla1> um
[09:06] <Pretor1ab> poolie, yes
[09:06] <astro76> captbaritone, emacs -nw
[09:06] <poolie> how about perl or python?
[09:06] <Pretor1ab> poolie, no i dont know scheme or perl or python but i am a good at picking things up
[09:06] <jmak642> Vletmix: thanks for that ubuntu backup link, did the trick
[09:06] <captbaritone> astro, Thanks, will that work with other programs? or do they each have their own switch?
[09:07] <Pretor1ab> poolie, i thought it was just something like this #gimp -b (gimp-levels-stretch \"my-image.jpg\")
[09:07] <astro76> captbaritone, that's emacs specific
[09:07] <jamesdell> wow more users
[09:07] <poolie> close but not quite
[09:07] <biotrox> hiks
[09:07] <poolie> it needs a reference to an image that's already loaded into memory
[09:07] <_markt> hooray, security.ubuntu.com is back up, and that fixed the build-dep problem
[09:07] <captbaritone> astro, so I should hunt through the man pages to find out how its done for each program?
[09:08] <biotrox> i'm still banned from #kubuntu
[09:08] <kurtti> I'm trying to install python-qt4 from a .deb, but it says Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6
[09:08] <Pretor1ab> poolie, so how can i load that into memory, by using a load procedure
[09:08] <astro76> _markt, good to hear, still trickling in over here
[09:08] <_markt> heh, I just got that error, too
[09:08] <kr00lplatinum> any WAR DRIVERS out there?
[09:08] <poolie> well check out the "processing several files" section
[09:08] <poolie> basically something like that, but substitute your command fro plug-in-unsharp-mask
[09:09] <kaushal> Hi
[09:09] <Pretor1ab> poolie, where is this section ?
[09:09] <poolie> http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/
[09:09] <poolie> near the bottom
[09:09] <astro76> captbaritone, isn't this only an emacs problem?
[09:09] <astro76> captbaritone, it behaves that way out of the box on feisty, btw
[09:09] <kaushal> We would like to extract the un-signed SSL certificate used by our application and its keystore password. Could you please provide us with the steps do this specially the keystore password?
[09:09] <jmak642> well that didnt help, mplayer wont work either
[09:10] <Pretor1ab> so poolie using the goal of auto-levels can you tell me the syntax using your example ?
[09:10] <Vletmix> jmak642: It sounds like it may not be the repos that are broken, but your package db
[09:10] <poolie> Pretor1ab, i believe it would just be
[09:10] <captbaritone> astro, Well, the same thing happened with synaptic
[09:10] <jmak642> Vletmix: nah i got it to install, but i cant play a dvd
[09:11] <poolie> (gimp-levels-stretch RUN-NONINTERACTIVE drawable)
[09:11] <Vletmix> ahh
[09:11] <captbaritone> astro, it happens which way out of the box in fiestey
[09:11] <Pretor1ab> poolie, ahh yes what is this drawable about ?
[09:11] <Vletmix> jmak642: vlc? ;)
[09:11] <captbaritone> fiesty*
[09:11] <poolie> note that this will overwrite your existing files
[09:11] <neozen> kaushal: well... I assume you're on the machine that issues the certificate yes?
[09:11] <jmak642> Vletmix: i tried totem, and that didnt work, vlc doesnt work, and now mplayer doesnt work.
[09:11] <poolie> so you might want to make a copy first :)
[09:11] <Pretor1ab> poolie, i see it keeps coming up but have no idea what drawable means?
[09:11] <jmak642> Vletmix: do i need to definate a region or something?
[09:11] <poolie> or change the file-save command to save them elsewhere, but that might be tricky
[09:12] <_markt> dang, no svn installed yet
[09:12] <Lelaki_Malam> xxx
[09:12] <astro76> captbaritone, emacs opens gui without the -nw option on feisty. Also, synaptic is gui only
[09:12] <poolie> Pretor1ab, well, it's a variable that references an object that can be drawn to
[09:12] <Lelaki_Malam> halo
[09:12] <jmak642> Vletmix: s/definate/define
[09:12] <poolie> in this case it's set in the line above to be the active layer of the image
[09:12] <captbaritone> astro, Oh! I see
[09:12] <neozen> kaushal: what you're looking for should be somewhere in /etc/ssl
[09:12] <Pretor1ab> poolie, so how does this look - #gimp -b (gimp-levels-auto "" "my-pic.png")
[09:12] <Vletmix> jmak642: don't know :-/ ... maybe google your dvd drive model and see if other linux users have had issues
[09:12] <bruenig> that was not terminated
[09:13] <captbaritone> astro, I thought my brother told me that there was a terminal gui for it
[09:13] <astro76> jmak642, what is the problem?
[09:13] <jmak642> hmm, lemme make this easier, i have 2 dvd drives...
[09:13] <astro76> captbaritone, maybe he meant aptitude
[09:13] <jmak642> astro76: i cant watch dvd's
[09:13] <poolie> Pretor1ab, no, you need to follow all the instructions there - make a script, save it in your plugins directory, etc
[09:13] <captbaritone> astro, Thats it!
[09:13] <poolie> i'm sorry but it's a lower-level interface than you think it is
[09:13] <astro76> jmak642, do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[09:14] <jmak642> astro76: no i dont think so
[09:14] <astro76> !medibuntu | jmak642
[09:14] <ubotu> jmak642: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[09:14] <Pretor1ab> ok thanks poolie - can you help with that ? I just want to run auto-levels on a load of images
[09:14] <neozen> jmak642: you should install that
[09:14] <josh_marshall> jmak642: You in America?
[09:14] <Skrypt> Is tops the only command to view running processes?
[09:14] <neozen> josh_marshall: don't complicate things mon
[09:14] <astro76> jmak642, you need that
[09:14] <josh_marshall> :)
[09:14] <Pretor1ab> poolie, thats cool just trying to understand it enough to do what i want, not bothered about getting into it
[09:14] <_markt> Skrypt: ps aux
[09:14] <josh_marshall> Automatix FTW.
[09:14] <b0ne> top is much nicer though
[09:14] <gdb> Pretor1ab: Have you considered ImageMagick?
[09:15] <Skrypt> what's the command to then kill a program? "kill PROGRAM" ?
[09:15] <neozen> josh_marshall: if he is an american... he's pissed like all the rest of us that he can't watch something he paid for on his computer
[09:15] <poolie> Pretor1ab, how about if you read that document starting from 'a simple example' and then tell me which bit you have trouble with
[09:15] <gdb> Pretor1ab: It's designed for this sort of thing, scripted manipulations of images.
[09:15] <_markt> Skrypt: killall program or pkill program
[09:15] <poolie> there's no point in me just repeating it to you
[09:15] <b0ne> kill -9 process_id
[09:15] <_markt> Skrypt: or kill `pgrep program`
[09:15] <Skrypt> <3 thanks
[09:15] <josh_marshall> Oh, I completely agree, and "stick it to the man" is a motto of mine, it's just nice to 'warn' with an encouraging push.
[09:15] <poolie> actually maybe someone's already written a script to make this easier?
[09:16] <csj> hello, I use xrandr to list supported resolutions, max = 800x480, but some window larger than 800x480, how to set X to 800x600 and compressed vertical resolution?
[09:16] <Pretor1ab> gdb is it command  line?
[09:16] <gdb> Pretor1ab: Yes, all of the ImageMagick modules are CLI.
[09:16] <poolie> yes, it is
[09:16] <neozen> !automatix | josh_marshall
[09:16] <ubotu> josh_marshall: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:16] <poolie> i don't know if it does this exact operation though
[09:17] <Pretor1ab> will have to have a look at that then - does it do batch processing ?
[09:17] <gdb> I'm not certain of that, either.
[09:17] <poolie> Pretor1ab, so, here's what you need to do:
[09:17] <gdb> Yes, or you can simply wrap the relavent commands in a for loop.
[09:17] <_markt> hey, I use you for debugging
[09:17] <poolie> copy the block that begins
[09:17] <josh_marshall> neozen: Seriously? I've been using Automatix for... like, forever. Never really had a problem with it.
[09:17] <poolie>  (define (batch-unsharp-mask pattern
[09:17] <poolie> mm
[09:17] <poolie> actually this is going to be kind of slow
[09:17] <josh_marshall> neozen: Now I'm aware -- that's the official stance from Ubuntu?
[09:17] <neozen> josh_marshall: ever tried doing a distribution upgrade after installing things with automatix?
[09:18] <jmak642> astro76: ok i installed it, now just apt-get libdvdcss2?
[09:18] <josh_marshall> Oh -- BLECH. Distribution upgrades have been hell since Warty.
[09:18] <arn_> hi, can anyon tell me how can i change my password?
[09:18] <neozen> josh_marshall: yes... that's the official stance
[09:18] <_markt> arn_: passwd
[09:18] <astro76> jmak642, if you followed there instructions to add the repository, yes, sudo apt-get libdvdcss2
[09:18] <astro76> *their
[09:18] <arn_> i tried "sudo passwd" but seems its not changing my password
[09:18] <jmak642> astro76: right on
[09:18] <_markt> that will change your root password
[09:18] <neozen> but you're using linux.. there are choices
[09:18] <n00dl3> arn_: lol
[09:18] <josh_marshall> neozen: I've never had a dist-upgrade work on Ubuntu, Automatix or not.
[09:18] <Skrypt> How do I get shadows on GNOME? xcompmgr?
[09:18] <Pretor1ab> sudo passwd user
[09:19] <neozen> ...whether you used what's suggested or not is completely up to you
[09:19] <_markt> Skrypt: yes, or a window manager that supports them internally
[09:19] <josh_marshall> neozen: Well, now I know that is the official stance, I'll definitely keep it in mind.
[09:19] <neozen> josh_marshall: I've just backed up home, installed, and blown it out after install of the newest
[09:19] <Skrypt> _markt: do you know if there are known issues / workarounds for AMD64?
[09:19] <josh_marshall> neozen: I try to stay aware of the trends and recommendations.
[09:19] <neozen> josh_marshall: ::nods::
[09:20] <neozen> josh_marshall: well you are now aware
[09:20] <_markt> Skrypt: I don't know; I've been on amd64 for about 45 minutes
[09:20] <Skrypt> :P
[09:20] <_markt> I'm still trying to get rid of gnome
[09:20] <jmak642> josh_marshall: dont worry, I understand the yappity yap, but after all until in isntalled ubuntu i had been pirating windows with the best of them, never did pay for a single seat, even got vista ultimate cracked, and just plain hated it so much i had to find a new way
[09:20] <Skrypt> What for?
[09:20] <neozen> _markt: ......you installed ubuntu... don't get rid of gnome
[09:20] <_markt> fluxbox, of course
[09:20] <josh_marshall> Skrypt: I had interesting troubles with an AMD64 install, so I popped back to the normal install.
[09:20] <Skrypt> Fluxbox? hmm. google here I come.
[09:20] <neozen> _markt: use fluxbuntu
[09:20] <_markt> oh, it's going away
[09:21] <_markt> Skrypt: don't bother
[09:21] <tim__> hi
[09:21] <kurtti> How to upgrade libc6 to 2.6, when the .deb says it conflicts with the package tzdata?
[09:21] <Skrypt> josh_marshall: with xcompmgr?
[09:21] <neozen> _markt: that's the ubuntu-base with fluxbox properly installed
[09:21] <josh_marshall> Skrypt: With EVERYTHING.
[09:21] <_markt> I don't want to download and install another os
[09:21] <Skrypt> LOL.
[09:21] <_markt> I don't want a binary package of fluxbox
[09:21] <neozen> _markt: ok.... well have fun keeping gnome gone
[09:21] <_markt> I'm installing the unstable svn branch
[09:21] <Pretor1ab> gdb, can imagemagick do auto-levels?
[09:21] <neozen> _markt: it could get rough
[09:21] <josh_marshall> Skrypt: Especially anything I couldn't grab the source for.
[09:21] <gdb> Pretor1ab: That I can't answer.
[09:21] <_markt> if I can't keep gnome gone, I'll switch distros
[09:21] <Flannel> neozen: fluxbuntu is not ubuntu+fluxbox, it's different.
[09:22] <astro76> kurtti, changing your libc6 will cause serious system breakage
[09:22] <EdLin> _markt: apt-get build-dep fluxbox, see if that helps you compile it...
[09:22] <Skrypt> _markt: holy hell. fluxbox looks hot.
[09:22] <_markt> EdLin: already done that
[09:22] <Pretor1ab> ahh so back to gimp then
[09:22] <neozen> Flannel: is it?
[09:22] <_markt> Skrypt: thanks
[09:22] <EdLin> _markt: sorry, I just /joined
[09:22] <_markt> Skrypt: it's not for noobs, though
[09:22] <Skrypt> _markt: I figured as much.
[09:22] <b0ne> is it kind of the norm to tell people to switch versions rather than just installing a new WM and editing a few conf files?
[09:23] <gdb> Pretor1ab: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php -- list of features there on the front page
[09:23] <neozen> b0ne: depends on how much they like the new one
[09:23] <Skrypt> It looks bloody amazing though. I wish I could get gnome to do a lot of things i'm seeing in these screen shots.
[09:23] <josh_marshall> b0ne: I wonder with the more mainstream Ubuntu gets, if the fear of conf files is going to get extreme.
[09:23] <tim__> i am trying to open kommander editor in kde as root can open as normal user but not as root ?
[09:23] <_markt> I know I like the new one; I'm a developer
[09:23] <Pretor1ab> thanks gdb very handy!
[09:23] <neozen> b0ne: if they get really attached to it and want the space back..... yeah sure... go with the one without gnome
[09:23] <kurtti> astro76, I'm trying to install python-qt, but it requires libc6 2.5 or higher. I have 2.4
[09:23] <EdLin> _markt: what are the new fluxbox features?
[09:23] <astro76> tim__, try kdesu kommander
[09:23] <Skrypt> Oo. :) Appreciate your entertaining of newbish questions then, mate.
[09:23] <_markt> EdLin: since when?
[09:23] <neozen> b0ne: that's always the stance I've taken
[09:23] <b0ne> thats why i install ubuntu server instead
[09:23] <jmak642> astro76: you are my hero, totem now plays dvd's, like Lucky Number Sleven
[09:24] <EdLin> _markt: since the svn release, I've used it in the recent past.
[09:24] <josh_marshall> jmak642: Great flick, btw.
[09:24] <neozen> b0ne: ah.. but server has a few things missing that a desktop user might want
[09:24] <tim__> astro76; thanks I will give it a go
[09:24] <b0ne> you can't apt-get those?
[09:24] <astro76> kurtti, python-qt3 and python-qt4 are in ubuntu's repositories and will work with the installed libc6
[09:24] <neozen> b0ne: don't think so
[09:24] <astro76> kurtti, what are you running?
[09:24] <neozen> b0ne: whole other kernel
[09:24] <josh_marshall> b0ne: Actually, feisty was the first time since (Dapper?) the first server edition that I didn't grab the server and apt-get ubuntu-desktop ...
[09:24] <jmak642> josh_marshall: now if i could only figure out how to rip it just to piss off the mpaa
[09:25] <josh_marshall> Aha.
[09:25] <kurtti> trying to install a program called Anki on this Edgy
[09:25] <jonta> Hmm, is there a problem with security.ubuntu.com?
[09:25] <josh_marshall> jmak642: There are several DVD rippers...
[09:25] <_markt> nothing really in main svn -- we're keeping it stable for 1.0 release; pre-devel svn has some new stuff -- regular expressions for just about every keybinding, so you can apply them to groups of windows; a feature that doesn't let new windows steal the focus while typing
[09:25] <py_geek> hi everybody
[09:25] <neozen> jonta: perhaps they're still down
[09:25] <astro76> jmak642, dvdrip is one
[09:25] <kurtti> or run it
[09:25] <lucky> hi, i get this message, Parse error on line 134 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf "1024x768" is not a valid keyword in this section.
[09:25] <jmak642> josh_marshall: i'm sure, i'll look for it, got any recommendations? oooh thanks astro
[09:25] <lucky> i cant start x
[09:25] <jonta> neozen: ok, so there was a problem. good to know =)
[09:25] <biotrox> people
[09:25] <biotrox> one question
[09:26] <neozen> biotrox: yes?
[09:26] <EdLin> _markt: 1.0 release... that's a pretty good new feature. ;-)
[09:26] <DFM> Hello, I am having a problem with random CRC error's when attempting to boot. This has happened from 6.06 through 7.04 on different hardware which I feel eliminaes my pc
[09:26] <biotrox> i want to make a video screen shot in ubuntu
[09:26] <biotrox> how how..?
[09:26] <neozen> DFM: well.. your hd might be going kaboom
[09:26] <_markt> EdLin: yeah, I think we'll release it in the next couple of weeks
[09:26] <DFM> I have searched the forums and I feel like I am chasing my tail
[09:26] <astro76> kurtti, well you might want to try edgy's python-qt
[09:26] <Pretor1ab> poolie, ??
[09:26] <neozen> biotrox: easiest way I've found is with vnc2swf
[09:26] <josh_marshall> jmak642: dvdrip is what I've used (or VLC for 'interesting' rips) and dvdrip is in the repositories, I believe.
[09:26] <neozen> biotrox: google for it
[09:26] <biotrox> vnc2swf..?
[09:27] <biotrox> oke
[09:27] <biotrox> thanks
[09:27] <neozen> biotrox: yep
[09:27] <DFM> Thought of that however I have one ide and two sata's and will get this on all
[09:27] <jmak642> jonta: if u need a package someone gave me http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/archive.ubuntu.com/ as a nice alternate location
[09:27] <b0ne> biotrox: google.com?q=record+desktop+ubuntu
[09:27] <DFM> also have gotten this on completely diff hardware
[09:27] <jonta> jmak642: ah, nice, i'm gonna write that down :)
[09:27] <b0ne> first link is to ubuntuforums for "record your desktop with recordmydesktop"
[09:28] <kurtti> astro76, I have python-qt 4.0 installed, but the program needs 4.2
[09:28] <jmak642> jonta: just grab it and dump it in /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:28] <DFM> What baffles me is that it tells me it's a kernel panic VFS: Unable to mount root on FS on unknown block 0,0
[09:28] <neozen> biotrox: you'll have to install a vnc server (I personally recommend x11vnc for ease) and your clients will need a flash player of some sort.... but it's done just fine for my purposes
[09:28] <jmak642> jonta: then apt-get it
[09:28] <bob301> DFM: CRC's are errors that occur when reading data. you usually see this on failing CD  or DVD drives on the media themselves.
[09:28] <jonta> jmak642: thanks =)
[09:28] <random1> Oay
[09:28] <random1> Okay
[09:28] <random1> So making progress
[09:28] <DFM> That's what I was reading which is why I am confused
[09:28] <neozen> biotrox: a note... keep your recordings under 20 minutes or so... the swf's start getting very sketchy after that period of time... this is apparently a known issue with flash
[09:29] <random1> I boot and it just says GRUB _ and sits there.
[09:29] <bob301> DFM: You get this when booting from a LiveCD?
[09:29] <neozen> b0ne: recordmydesktop eh?
[09:29] <DFM> Whats more I can boot into recovery console just fine and if I drop down 1 kernel I can boot to desktop with out incident
[09:29] <abhi> how do i convince my clients to use Ubuntu Server over RHEL?
[09:29] <DFM> no from HD
[09:29] <poolie> Pretor1ab, sorry, i don't have time to develop it for you
[09:29] <Pretor1ab> no worries
[09:29] <abhi> is Ubuntu server as capable?
[09:29] <Pretor1ab> poolie,
[09:29] <poolie> if you try to work through that tutorial and have trouble you can ask here
[09:29] <neozen> abhi: get them to use apt
[09:29] <poolie> or in #gimp i guess
[09:30] <b0ne> neozen: *shrug* thats what the forum topic was... exercizing web search skills is always a positive thing right? :)
[09:30] <neozen> abhi: or aptitude
[09:30] <Pretor1ab> cool thanks poolie
[09:30] <neozen> abhi: that's what sold me
[09:30] <neozen> abhi: it just works soooooo much better
[09:30] <neozen> b0ne: absolutely
[09:30] <tim__> astro76; what is the url of the pastebin I want to show you the result
[09:30] <bob301> DFM: I'm not an expert, but it sounds like a kernel upgrade did not work properly.
[09:30] <b0ne> aptitude is pretty nice on server w/o synaptic
[09:30] <kurtti> astro76, upgrading python-qt to 4.2 won't work from the repos, and the .deb won't work because it expects libc6 version 2.5 or higher
[09:30] <DFM> If I reboot over and over sometimes it will boot, sometimes I have to boot into recovery and then reboot again and all is well.
[09:30] <abhi> neozen: ok
[09:31] <Brandooo> anyone know how to fix bugs with sound after coming out of suspend?
[09:31] <josh_marshall> abhi: I've never really used RHEL, but depending on what sort of server you're building (web, svn, media, flash, combination) I've done most all of those with Ubuntu and NEVER had a box come down -- except when I forget to pay the power.
[09:31] <josh_marshall> :)
[09:31] <abhi> neozen: but they think that it cannot handle as much load as RHEL AS
[09:31] <bob301> DFM: Are the two entries in GRUB the same,(except the bootable one has the word Recovery in it)? Or are they different kernel versions?
[09:31] <DFM> That makes sense but it has been working fine for over two weeks and now I can't boot into 2.6.20-16
[09:31] <b0ne> it's the same kernel
[09:31] <DFM> same kernel
[09:31] <rockets> Jordan_U, hey, still there?
[09:31] <abhi> abhi: here in INdia they feel more comfortable if MS RH or Novell certifies something
[09:31] <neozen> abhi: I'm sure someone has done some study on it
[09:32] <rockets> Jordan_U, the wifi wont operate at more then 11MB now :-P
[09:32] <neozen> abhi: I don't have one in front of me right now (as I've never needed to care)
[09:32] <b0ne> apache + kernel tends to behave the same regardless of distro heh
[09:32] <josh_marshall> abhi: Ugh, you mean the MS 'make money off of linux' scare scheme?
[09:32] <DFM> bob301:Right now I am running kernel 20-15 with out any problem
[09:32] <abhi> josh_marshall:
[09:32] <abhi> josh_marshall: yea
[09:32] <abhi> josh_marshall: they believe MS and Novell and RH
[09:32] <abhi> josh_marshall: not debian or ubuntu
[09:32] <tim__> astro76: here is the paste bin result http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29445/
[09:33] <Jordan_U> rockets, The drivers are better on some cards then others, you might want to go back to ndiswrapper until they get better
[09:33] <neozen> abhi: well..... there's always apt -rpm
[09:33] <DFM> bob301:I don't mind running this kernel but I have been unable to resolve this random issue and usually have to reload
[09:33] <LukeEkblad> HElp!  I just installed a cupple beryl packeges then after i installed them all the settings i put into beryl where erased!  pluss, now i cant download anything anymore.  I cant even open the Add/Remove thing
[09:33] <Jordan_U> rockets, I doubt that it is something "fixable"
[09:33] <rockets> Jordan_U, never mind, i was able to force 54mb by doing iwconfig eth1 rate 54M
[09:33] <astro76> kurtti, are you trying to install the pyton-qt4 from here? http://www.pvv.org/~haraldhv/anki-deb/
[09:33] <b0ne> i just started using arch linux, pacman is nice
[09:33] <Jordan_U> rockets, Maybe it is :)
[09:33] <josh_marshall> abhi: Well, power to the corporations, I suppose. :( You can pay for support from Canonical, if they need the corporate handholding.
[09:33] <rockets> Jordan_U, still, that's annoying
[09:33] <josh_marshall> abhi: I would rather pay for support from Canonical than rent my server.
[09:33] <rockets> for all I know, it only THINKS its going at 54MB now
[09:33] <kurtti> astro76, from there and from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/python-qt4
[09:34] <DFM> From my understanding reloading is absolutely the last thing you want to do.
[09:34] <neozen> abhi: well... there you go
[09:34] <abhi> good idea
[09:34] <neozen> abhi: there's your certified support
[09:34] <LukeEkblad> Pleas help?
[09:34] <neozen> time for me to sleep
[09:34] <astro76> tim__, it's probably kommander
[09:34] <DFM> I am not new to Linux but I am not a guru either
[09:34] <bob301> DFM This does sound like there are some bad sectors on the HDD, probably where the new kernel is written. You can usually get a bootable floppy or CDROm image from the manufacturer of the hard drive, which should contain a utility for checking (and hopefully repairing) bad sectors.
[09:34] <neozen> LukeEkblad: seek help in #ubuntu-effects for help w/ beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion etc
[09:34] <kurtti> astro76, sorry that was the 4.0 version
[09:35] <LukeEkblad> I just need help with getting my install thing back
[09:35] <LukeEkblad> I cant even get updates now :(
[09:35] <josh_marshall> abhi: I think DEVELOPMENT on Ubuntu or Debian (or even Fedora) is better because of the things like this IRC channel -- it's so much quicker to get help.
[09:35] <rockets> Jordan_U, yeah, it goes SLOWER in 54M.
[09:35] <neozen> LukeEkblad: sounds like you've killled your sources.list
[09:35] <neozen> !sources
[09:35] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:35] <LukeEkblad> ok
[09:35] <rockets> Jordan_U, 11M is fine for the net, cuz I only have a 3 megabit connection. but not for network transfer
[09:35] <josh_marshall> abhi: But that doesn't necessarily convice a client, just developers.
[09:36] <neozen> !easysource
[09:36] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:36] <LukeEkblad> how do i reserect it?
[09:36] <DFM> bob301:That's what I thought and have run the utility and found no error's. I even reloaded onto a new sata and got the same problem after about a week.
[09:36] <neozen> !easysource | LukeEkblad
[09:36] <ubotu> LukeEkblad: please see above
[09:36] <b0ne> well it isn't always easy to get help, there's a lot of "noise" from people who won't search for answers at all
[09:36] <abhi> josh_marshall: we use Ubuntu for development
[09:36] <neozen> LukeEkblad: you want the source-o-matic
[09:36] <abhi> josh_marshall: but during deployment
[09:36] <n00dl3> b0ne: How true
[09:36] <LukeEkblad> ok
[09:36] <josh_marshall> What sort of services are you providing? Base LAMP stuff or something else?
[09:36] <neozen> farewell
[09:37] <DFM> bob301:That's when I figured it was something in my hardware and loaded on a completely different system with diff MB and HD and Ram. Same issue after short period.
[09:37] <abhi> josh_marshall: they want SuSE or RHEL
[09:37] <neozen> the rest of the room can help you from there
[09:37] <abhi> josh_marshall: we do LAP not M :) we use O instead or PG
[09:37] <b0ne> postgres, ew
[09:37] <b0ne> lol
[09:37] <DFM> bob301:usually happens after kernel upgrades which I just accept when it tells me there is an upgrade. I think I am doing something to it but I have no clue what.
[09:38] <abhi> b0ne: well pg is better than mysql
[09:38] <bob301> DFM; Intermittent problems like this are usually hardware related, but difficult to track. by chaning HDD's, you can usually eliminate the drive itself as a problem (not always though).  However, if you plugged the drive into the same cable, or into the same controller, then either of those could be to blame. Alternatively, it could be the RAM, or an underlying problem with the chipset and bus that the data is traveling over.
[09:38] <datakid23_> newbie question: how can I tell what type of cpu I have: i686 or pentium4? it's an intel core duo...?
[09:38] <abhi> b0ne:  i find it more advanced
[09:38] <astro76> kurtti, there's really no easy way to do it
[09:38] <bob301> DFM: usually though, that wouldn't affect just one kernel, it would crop up randomly for all versions.
[09:38] <LukeEkblad> What do i do with all that code?
[09:38] <abhi> josh_marshall: it's such a pain to migrate to SuSE or RHEL
[09:38] <_markt> datakid23_: it's certainly an i686, but it might also be a pentium4
[09:38] <astro76> kurtti, gutsy has all the right versions
[09:38] <kurtti> datakid23_, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:38] <b0ne> i'm just kidding, i think you're right, i saw some recently upgraded postgres benchmarks which put the hurt on mysql
[09:38] <abhi> josh_marshall: SuSE has to be the most painful
[09:39] <kurtti> astro76, ok thanks
[09:39] <datakid23_> kurtti, _markt have done the cat /proc./cpuinfo but it doesn't distinguish, it only says "Intel Core 2 CPU) with lots of TMs in there
[09:39] <bob301> DFM: Hmm...Do you know the arcitecture of the chip, and which kernel you are running? For instance, it's possible the new kernel is for an AMD64, but will nto work on a Core2.
[09:39] <josh_marshall> abhi: Kay kay. Well, as long as you aren't doing WAP, I'll be okay. :) Windows + PHP +  Apache = Aneurysm
[09:40] <LukeEkblad> neozen: what do i do with all that code?
[09:40] <DFM> I have seen this in every kernel since I started with Ubuntu. Keep figuring it's my hardware but I have 3 friends running 7.04 and they have seen it also except after 2 or 3 reboot theirs starts working.
[09:40] <josh_marshall> abhi: I've actually not done much with Suse -- once you go APT, you never go back.
[09:40] <tim__> astro76: here is result  for  kommander http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29446/
[09:40] <DFM> I am running AMD 64 3200 and the kernel was installed automatically through updates and it is 2.6.20-16 generic
[09:41] <LukeEkblad> ubotu:   what do i do with all this code?
[09:41] <RudyValencia> 'lo
[09:41] <b0ne> mmm pizza
[09:41] <RudyValencia> Why are my fonts rendering so ugly? I've even tried that little snippet of XML that's supposed to fix it.
[09:42] <josh_marshall> b0ne: Crap, now I'm jonesin.
[09:42] <DFM> bob301:I am not familiar with removing updates. Is there a way to run the update and remove this? I know I can remove through apt if I know exactly what to remove.
[09:42] <astro76> tim__, I don't use kde
[09:42] <astro76> tim__, dpkg -L kommander | grep bin
[09:43] <astro76> tim__, that will show you the commands for that package
[09:43] <RudyValencia> I hope that they fix font rendering :/
[09:43] <jmak642> astro76: so i grabbed that program dvdrip and it works well, but in the preferences it says i need rar-2.80 and i dont have it.   i apt-get rar but that didnt help
[09:44] <DarthShrine> Is it possible to get a 1280x800 framebuffer with the Intel 945GM chipset?
[09:45] <Jordan_U> RudyValencia, I personally think fonts look fine, it's mostly subjective
[09:45] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: You on a Intel Core Duo system?
[09:45] <astro76> jmak642, I haven't used it in awhile, I don't remember it needing rar and have no idea why it would
[09:45] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Yeah.
[09:45] <astro76> jmak642, maybe it just works without it?
[09:45] <LukeEkblad>  HElp!  I just installed a cupple beryl packeges then after i installed them all the settings i put into beryl where erased!  pluss, now i cant download anything anymore.  I cant even open the Add/Remove thing
[09:45] <kraut> moin
[09:45] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: You having any ... systematic but non-fatal lag issues?
[09:45] <RudyValencia> Jordan_U: Then again, you're probably used to Freetype's implementation of hinting
[09:45] <jmak642> astro76: maybe, it says i need it for vobsub compression
[09:45] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, In which areas?
[09:46] <bob301> DFM: I have never removed a kernel, but these instructions may help: http://occy.net/node/142
[09:47] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: I've got the same (but custom) system as the System76 Darter, and I installed a vanilla Feisty Desktop install, and random processes just bog down -- everything from Firefox to Pidgin to Inkscape.
[09:47] <LukeEkblad> Somebody help pleazzzz
[09:47] <RudyValencia> is there a package for Freetype that uses the bytecode interpreter?
[09:47] <nrik> hello, help please how to rollup backups from images on Ubuntu 6.10 Livecd
[09:47] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: I've been using Ubuntu since Warty, and I've installed it on pretty much anything with a BIOS and a hard drive, and this is the first time I've see this particular issue.
[09:47] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Odd... I've got no problems on this computer.
[09:47] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: I've got Feisty on two AMD64 systems and one Athlon 1GHz...
[09:48] <DFM> bob301:thanks I will check into it. I thought of just disabling it in grub but then I wouldn't be learning anything except how to bypass it.
[09:48] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: No problems on them.
[09:48] <Jordan_U> RudyValencia, Gutsy's fonts look different, whether they are "better" or not I can't say, but try the tribe2 liveCD ( and help with bugfixing too :)
[09:48] <LukeEkblad> Will somebody help me?
[09:48] <nrik> --- from /media/sdb1/image-sda3.00* to /media/sda3
[09:48] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: Good -- that means there's hope. :)
[09:48] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Hehe :)
[09:48] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: You running Beryl?
[09:48] <RudyValencia> I don't want to use any more CDs.
[09:48] <astro76> jmak642, probably just uncheck vobsub compression then, a quick google search shows people having to compile the right version of rar
[09:48] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Yeah.
[09:48] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: On Gnome?
[09:48] <Flannel> LukeEkblad: beryl support is in #ubuntu-effects, thanks.
[09:48] <LukeEkblad> ...
[09:48] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Yup.
[09:48] <bob301> DMF: I know what you mean. I have (unfortunately) trashed many a system in that learning curve, and no doubt will add a few more to the list as time goes on.
[09:49] <DarthShrine> !patience | LukeEkblad
[09:49] <ubotu> LukeEkblad: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:49] <b0ne> LukeEkblad: read what neozen was saying about easy source
[09:49] <LukeEkblad> fI just need to know how i can download stuff again
[09:49] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: Sorry to keep hassling you -- what chipset is your wireless? (I'm wondering if it's network related...)
[09:49] <LukeEkblad>  i cant even updaye
[09:49] <LukeEkblad> update*
[09:50] <nrik> please tell witch program to use for backuping system?
[09:50] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, The repos have been flakey recently
[09:50] <Flannel> !backup | nrik
[09:50] <ubotu> nrik: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[09:50] <RudyValencia> I think that Ubuntu doesn't have the bytecode interpreter enabled in freetype and I think it's what I need in order for fonts to look right
[09:50] <nrik> or making images from disks
[09:50] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Erm.."Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)" according to lspci...
[09:50] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:   ok,
[09:50] <nrik> o... senx
[09:50] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:   can you help me fix the download thing?
[09:50] <dromer> anybody here experience with SynCE ?
[09:50] <astro76> RudyValencia, I think I read something about the bytecode interpreter being patent encumbered
[09:51] <astro76> RudyValencia, and not being enabled
[09:51] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, Try a different mirror ?
[09:51] <RudyValencia> yeah, and that's why my fonts are looking sucky huh?
[09:51] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:   No, i cant even get to my Add/remove thing
[09:51] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: Okay, so as far as I can tell, we're running identical setups... :)
[09:51] <b0ne> bbl
[09:51] <LukeEkblad> the message pops up
[09:51] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Okies :)
[09:51] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: Did you use Automatix? I've just been warned about that tonight...
[09:52] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Nope. Never will either :)
[09:52] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, No, I mean try changing what mirror you are getting your packages from
[09:52] <astro76> RudyValencia, guess you could get the apt-get the source package and compile it (after making the appropriate change)
[09:52] <RudyValencia> well, I know nothing about that
[09:52] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: Kay -- maybe there's something in that...
[09:52] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Maybe.
[09:52] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:  i know, thats not my problem tho
[09:52] <astro76> RudyValencia, see if google knows
[09:52] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:  nvm' :(
[09:52] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: Thanks for allowing me to interrogate you. :)
[09:53] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Not a problem.
[09:53] <nomic> i have instlaled ubuntu on an advent laptop ok but the sound doesn't work
[09:53] <josh_marshall> DarthShrine: Oh! One more thing -- are you running the generic kernel?
[09:53] <nomic> anyone got any pointers
[09:53] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, What is the problem?
[09:53] <LukeEkblad> I just need help.   This message pops up whenever i try to update my system or go to the add/remove thing
[09:53] <DarthShrine> josh_marshall, Yeah.
[09:53] <josh_marshall> LukeEkblad: What message?
[09:53] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, This message...
[09:54] <_markt> lol
[09:54] <Lounge> kernel issue: i just installed linux-kernel-image-2.6.22-7-generic, but then i forgot that  there's no nvida-glx for that kernel yet. any advice on what to do would nice
[09:54] <LukeEkblad> what?
[09:54] <astro76> LukeEkblad, what message?
[09:54] <holycow> DFM, i don't have your original question in the buffer, what issue are you running into?
[09:54] <holycow> it almost sounds like mine
[09:54] <bob301> LukeEkblad, what message pops up?
[09:54] <nomic> and also more of an obscure question I have a package from IBM (u2) it says that it will run on redhat enterprise edition and suse enterprise addition (both not free software) does this software if it works on those stand any chance of working on ubuntu? (xubuntu)
[09:54] <LukeEkblad> hold on
[09:55] <Lounge> right now i'm running the new kernel but with no 3d support
[09:55] <Lounge> tips?
[09:55] <nomic> whats a decent sound or media package on ubuntu or available through apt-get?
[09:55] <Jordan_U> !rpm | nomic
[09:55] <nomic> pls
[09:55] <ubotu> nomic: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[09:55] <nomic> right
[09:55] <nomic> ubotu stuff is so silly now can't even find the ibm install instructions for linux on their website
[09:55] <Jordan_U> nomic, Playing? Editing?
[09:56] <nomic> playing or editing?
[09:56] <nomic> i am not trolling
[09:56] <Jordan_U> nomic, Multimedia package
[09:56] <nomic> ah ok
[09:56] <nomic> playing please
[09:56] <DFM> holycow:crc error kernel panic VFS:unable to mount root FS on unknown block 0,0...... when booting from HD. Can boot into recovery kernel and drop down one kernel and boot just fine to desktop.
[09:56] <Jordan_U> !codecs | nomic
[09:56] <ubotu> nomic: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:56] <nomic> thnx jordan
[09:56] <bob301> holycow: DFM is getting CRC errors when trying to load a specfic kernel, one of the options from the GRUB menu. This occurs across multiple hardware configurations, and usually pops up shortly after installing a new kernel.
[09:56] <Jordan_U> nomic, np
[09:57] <nomic> VIVA UBUNTU!
[09:59] <josh_marshall> nomic: Viva Ubuntu indeed.
[09:59] <nomic> (:
[09:59] <Simplechat> quite so?
[09:59] <juggernaut> all:hi
[10:00] <Simplechat> hey juggernaut!
[10:00] <Simplechat> how are you?
[10:00] <Simplechat> :)
[10:00] <LukeEkblad> http://lukeekblad.googlepages.com/grrrr   ok, theres the error message
[10:00] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, And what happens when you run those commands?
[10:01] <astro76> LukeEkblad, well if you had updated before, it could be screwy because the servers have been up and down
[10:01] <sx66> how do you undo changes of a ntfs parition that has been changed to fat32 back to ntfs (windows in on that)
[10:01] <gholm> hey all, just updated nvidia-glx-new and now I can't startX (just get a black screen)  - did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times and no luck
[10:01] <juggernaut> *Juggernaut smiles
[10:01] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:   Um, it dosent let me
[10:01] <astro76> LukeEkblad, try sudo apt-get update again
[10:01] <juggernaut> Simplechat: hey simplechat
[10:01] <juggernaut> Simplechat: i am fine
[10:01] <astro76> LukeEkblad, you can't do sudo apt-get update ?
[10:01] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, In what way does it not let you?
[10:02] <LukeEkblad> I can do that
[10:02] <LukeEkblad> I'm doing it now
[10:02] <josh_marshall> Gholm: It should have backed up your Xorg -- did you check in the /etc/X11/ folder?
[10:02] <josh_marshall> *Xorg.conf
[10:02] <gholm> josh_marshall: yeah I back it up manually, and when I use the orig it still don't work...wtf?
[10:02] <astro76> xorg.conf
[10:02] <josh_marshall> Gholm: Hmm... That's fun.
[10:02] <bob301> sx66, WindowsXp has a utility to convert a filesystem from FAT32 to NTFS. http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php Or were youlooking to go back to FAT32 from NTFS?
[10:02] <jmak642> has anyone messed with lightscribe?
[10:02] <RudyValencia> well, I found a third-party repository with bytecode-interpreter-enabled freetype and cairo and xft
[10:03] <gholm> josh_marshall: yeah you said it
[10:03] <astro76> RudyValencia, link?
[10:03] <Jordan_U> RudyValencia, Does it look better?
[10:03] <RudyValencia> sure
[10:03] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:   nvm
[10:03] <RudyValencia> I don't know about appearance yet, but I will provide a link
[10:03] <josh_marshall> gholm: Do you know if when it installed the new glx deb it automatically removed the previous one?
[10:03] <gholm> I'd use the xorg.conf from the liveCD but I can't figure out how to copy it as root into etc/X11
[10:03] <RudyValencia> http://menzonius.wordpress.com/2007/07/01/how-to-get-microsoft-truetype-fonts-in-ubuntu-704-and-make-them-look-good/
[10:04] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U:  i was thinking of somthing elce, sorry, i'm tired
[10:04] <gholm> josh_marshall: don't know
[10:04] <gumjo> hello, for some reason my windows partition isnt mounting
[10:04] <_markt> gumjo: congratulations!
[10:04] <jmak642> _markt: haha
[10:04] <drafael_> Hey, anyone know how to figure out what the mousebuttons are called when entering in as a shortcut (beryl)? I have an extra two buttons on my mouse which I wish to assign..
[10:05] <josh_marshall> gholm: When you boot up from the live CD, you should be able to copy the live CD xorg.conf into a folder...
[10:05] <Jordan_U> !ntfs-3g | gumjo
[10:05] <ubotu> gumjo: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[10:05] <sx66> bob301: I have winxphome on a 40gb hdd, I wanted to make a partiton, when I did it re-righted the ntfs to a fat32. How do I recover windows? I have clicked the undo button a lot.
[10:05] <josh_marshall> gholm: But if it removed what you were using originally (or from the Live CD) then you'll have the same issue, I think.
[10:05] <_markt> drafael_: run xev from a terminal, then press them on the window
[10:05] <gholm> josh_marshall: yeah
[10:05] <intelikey> oops.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38067    what i did wrong ?
[10:05] <drafael_> _markt: thanks ^^
[10:05] <jmak642> does anyone know a good primer on ext3?
[10:06] <_markt> I have no idea if beryl actually supports mouse button events, but that's how to find out the button number
[10:06] <jmak642> like what can it do? do i need to defrag ever?
[10:06] <_markt> jmak642: no
[10:06] <LukeEkblad> Are people still helping me?
[10:06] <jmak642> _markt: thats what i heard
[10:06] <Jordan_U> !defrag | jmak642
[10:06] <ubotu> jmak642: defragmentation is not needed for Ext3 and ReiserFS filesystems. They are much more efficient in their allocation of storage units.
[10:06] <gholm> maybe I should resintall X altogether
[10:06] <bob301> sx66 You told the Ubuntu installer to change the size the size of your existing NTFS partition, and to take the new space and make it FAT32?
[10:06] <jmak642> you guys got some nice robots
[10:06] <Simplechat> i've got a stupid question to ask
[10:06] <Simplechat> i've installed truecrypt
[10:07] <biotrox> i have a problem installing python-gnome2-extras
[10:07] <josh_marshall> gholm: As much as a pain as that would be, it definitely helps to wipe and start over.
[10:07] <Simplechat> it said that it installed correctly
[10:07] <Simplechat> where abouts does it install it to?
[10:07] <biotrox> this is the error that i get http://pastebin.com/d5f0c343f
[10:07] <intelikey> oops.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38067    what did i do wrong ?       here is the dmesg http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38068       someone ?
[10:07] <LukeEkblad> Jordan_U: astro76: you guys still helping me?
[10:07] <josh_marshall> !apt
[10:07] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[10:08] <drafael_> That's odd... It shows two of my mouse buttons as being identical to two of the others (middle-click=left extra button & right click = right extra button)
[10:08] <astro76> LukeEkblad, what was the result of sudo apt-get update?
[10:08] <LukeEkblad> um
[10:08] <LukeEkblad> nothing happened
[10:08] <Zta> Can I configure Ubuntu (ie. the standard Ubuntu 7.04 installation with its standard window manager) to move windows when I hold Alt and drag the window with my right mouse button pressed?
[10:08] <Zta> I used to have this when I ran fluxbox, and I really miss it.
[10:09] <Jordan_U> LukeEkblad, No output at all?
[10:09] <biotrox> anybody..?
[10:09] <LukeEkblad> putput?
[10:09] <Zta> Instead a menu appears
[10:09] <sx66> bob301: yes, I told ubuntu installer to make the 40gb ntfs a 10gb fat32 partition, as a result it made it fat32 40gb partition. I just wanted 10gb of free space for ubuntu off of the ntfs 40gb.
[10:09] <LukeEkblad> output*
[10:09] <jmak642> !ext3
[10:09] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[10:09] <Jordan_U> Zta, That is the default
[10:09] <astro76> LukeEkblad, nothing printed in the terminal after you typed the command??
[10:09] <biotrox> neozon..?
[10:09] <biotrox> help...?
[10:09] <LukeEkblad> astro76:   yes, it did, hold on
[10:09] <Zta> ack.. I need alt + right mouse button + drag to resize!  that's what I ment.
[10:10] <vlt> Hello. I installed 7.04 on my notebook. After ~2 minutes of inactivity the creen goes black. Wheere can I set this value and how can I force it to "dpms off"?
[10:10] <jmak642> so as long as i am waiting for this rip, anyone interested in helping me with my mice?
[10:10] <vlt> screen*
[10:10] <Zta> Jordan_U, alt + left + drag i move, yes.
[10:10] <jmak642> i've got 2 usb mice from logitech
[10:10] <LukeEkblad> It just showes a bunch of options
[10:10] <darwin81> Is it not smart to split a Coaxial cable for TV and internet?
[10:10] <jmak642> one has 10 buttons, the other has 5
[10:11] <jmak642> and both work
[10:11] <astro76> vlt, System -> Preferences -> Screensaver