[12:04] <Mi|o> what about this one? :P
[12:05] <MenZa> Milo
[12:05] <MenZa> l > |
[12:05] <MenZa> ;o
[12:05] <Mi|o> this is the error message: Could not open file '<IP_ADDRESS>' for reading
[12:06] <Mi|o> well milo is being used
[12:06] <jenda> hmm
[12:07] <MenZa> Milonia
[12:07] <MenZa> :O
[12:07] <MenZa> Milovic
[12:07] <MenZa> :D
[12:07] <jenda> I have 'cannot assign requested address'
[12:07] <jenda> and can't connect either.
[12:07] <Mi|o> if i try to join, that's the error I get
[12:08] <Mi|o> when creating the session, i get that error too
[04:28] <elkbuntu> poningru, ping?
[04:31] <poningru> elkbuntu: pong
[04:31] <elkbuntu> PM
[09:58] <jenda> mdke_: ping
[09:58] <jenda> website trouble...
[10:00] <jenda> mdke_: the public_html directory in /home/marketing has disappeared... not very good for business :(
[10:35] <jenda> elkbuntu: I just updated my entry in the counter, and noticed that it asks for 'version'... shouldn't it be 'release'?
[10:37] <elkbuntu> probably
[10:40] <jenda> The entire marketing directory on doc.ubuntu.com has been deleted :( I wonder if it's Bazaar's fault.
[10:40] <elkbuntu> who knows
[10:41] <jenda> mdke_ might :)
[10:41] <elkbuntu> hes probably busy though ;)
[10:41] <BHSPitLappy> eek.
[10:42] <jenda> Or asleep at this time. It's no hurry.
[10:43] <jenda> elkbuntu: another thing is that if you mess up the password or anything when registering (in the counter), all the forms get blanked, which is kindof annoying.
[10:43] <elkbuntu> jenda, i know
[10:43] <jenda> ok
[11:13] <mdke_> jenda: I'll have a look
[11:13] <jenda> mdke_: thx
[11:14] <jenda> mdke_: no data has been lost, because it is no more than a sync with bzr, of course.
[11:14] <mdke_> sure
[11:15] <mdke_> I think the machine has a problem
[11:18] <mdke_> jenda: bzr: ERROR: No repository present: u'http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu/'
[11:18] <jenda> grr
[11:18] <jenda> what could the problem be?
[11:20] <mdke_> I don't know, did anything change with the repo?
[11:23] <jenda> not sure... I know I ctrl+C'd a push yesterday, I wonder if that could be a problem...
[11:25] <mdke_> I can't get it on my computer either
[11:28] <jenda> mdke_: can you try now?
[11:29] <jenda> I pushed and it took a suspiciously long time. Maybe it UL'd the entire thing again.
[11:29] <mdke_> ok.
[11:30] <mdke_> looks like nothing is happening
[11:31] <mdke_> you can retry it yourself by simply logging in and running the "cronjob" script
[11:31] <mdke_> it may be that the machine has some kind of problem
[11:31] <mdke_> marketing@hudson:~$ ping google.com
[11:31] <mdke_> ping: unknown host google.com
[11:32] <mdke_> oh dear
[11:33] <jenda> aha....
[11:33] <mdke_> it seems to be on and off
[11:35] <jenda> but it blanks the entire directory when it's off.
[11:36] <mdke_> I certainly can't seem to download it on my computer either.
[11:36] <mdke_> can you download it on yours?
[11:36] <jenda> lemme check
[11:37] <jenda> check out, that is ;)
[11:48] <jenda> mdke_: it's fetching
[11:48] <jenda> but it's a lot of material to fetch.
[11:50] <mdke_> something is now happening on my machine too, albeit not much
[11:53] <mdke_> ok, it's worked
[11:54] <jenda> ok, cool.
[11:54] <mdke_> i'll try on the server
[11:55] <mdke_> seems to be working. Probably there was a problem with the internet when it tried the cronjob
[11:55] <mdke_> if you need to retry ever, just log in and run the cronjob script
[11:56] <jenda> ok, will do. Thx a bunch :)
[12:00] <jenda> mdke_: is the cronjob now running and pulling, or should I log in and do that (it's still empty there)
[12:00] <mdke_> yeah, it's running now
[12:00] <mdke_> oh no, it broke
[12:01] <mdke_> I'll reboot the server and we'll hope the internet connection settles down
[12:02] <jenda> ok
[12:08] <mdke_> no, it has some problems still. we'll wait and see later
[12:11] <jenda> ok
[05:41] <milosevic> :/
[05:42] <milosevic> still not able to connect
[05:42] <milosevic> :P
[05:43] <elkbuntu> gobby is still very young software, there are still bugs :)
[05:44] <milosevic> should I keep trying?
[05:44] <milosevic> is there any other way?
[05:44] <elkbuntu> no idea
[05:44] <elkbuntu> i dont know that much about it
[05:45] <milosevic> ok
[06:50] <Burgundavia> nixternal: ping
[06:56] <tomveens> Fridge it!
[07:03] <jenda> johnlittle: congrats for the ubuntuvideo competition :)
[07:04] <tomveens> Why doe you have to have shockwave for ubuntuvideo?
[07:05] <jenda> mostly :(
[07:05] <MenZa> lol
[08:04] <nixternal> Burgundavia: pong?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> nixternal: do you have some Ubuntu cds Ubuntu Toronto can have?
[08:05] <nixternal> how many?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> 50?
[08:05] <nixternal> i have some for an upcoming event
[08:05] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:05] <Burgundavia> timeframe is the 21st of this month
[08:06] <nixternal> you can try contacting marilize..she usually rocks and can get them to you in a week
[08:07] <Burgundavia> I am trying to avoid using shipit for this, becuase I have already asked her to rush stuff for me a few months ago
[08:07] <nixternal> i am waiting for my shipment to come in, as i didn't expedite it this time..hopefully it will be here by the 28th, otherwise i won't have any for the meeting
[08:07] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:07] <nixternal> have poningru contact her
[08:07] <Burgundavia> I can contact her as well
[08:07] <Burgundavia> just seeing if somebody had some dapper lying around first
[08:08] <nixternal> usually i do
[08:08] <nixternal> i usually have a nice little ubuntu depot here
[08:08] <nixternal> but a bug in there system killed my last 2 orders


[04:04] <slick666> Whatup Texas!
[04:05] <slick666> Anyone interested in talking about LoCo events in Texas maybe around Austin?


[03:00] <xubuntu90w> looking for a way to quit getting silverlight update failure messages since i thought i deleted that program
[06:32] <xubuntu1804> Why if I open /usr/bin/catfish in a terminal, 'update search index' then search for * , do I get errors; Exception:  g-file-error-quark: Failed to open '/home/kunty/.cache/thumbnails/normal/883b692eb94227b31dd1a264782b9406.png' for writing: No such file or directory (4)
[06:32] <pmjdebruijn> stale index?
[06:34]  * pmjdebruijn now doubts it even has an index?
[06:34] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu1804: maybe that files was created and delete during your search?
[06:34] <xubuntu1804> Isn't the thumbnails directory; /home/kunty/.thumbnails/ ; ie. ~/.thumbnails/normal/
[06:35] <pmjdebruijn> that may differ depending on the program you use?
[06:35] <xubuntu1804> I get hundreds of error lins
[06:35] <xubuntu1804> I get hundreds of error line
[06:36] <pmjdebruijn> no clue sorry, stick around, maybe someone else knows
[06:36] <xubuntu1804> Catfish 1.4.4
[06:36] <xubuntu1804> slow down the search
[06:38] <xubuntu1804> Were  ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/ moved to ~/thumbnails/normal/  ??
 'update search index' before search
[06:41] <pmjdebruijn> * pmjdebruijn now doubts it even has an index?
[06:41]  * pmjdebruijn rarely if ever uses catfish
 IIRC, Catfish 'update search index' uses 'updatedb' - update a database for mlocate
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> ah
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu1804: then you might run updatedb?
 In Catfish 'update search index' uses 'updatedb' . also man -->  updatedb is usually run daily by cron(8) to update the default database.
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> yes but that does explain the errors doesn't it
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu1804: presumably you could add PRUNEPATHS to /etc/updatedb.conf
 No, hence my question, why the errors ?? , Do you have  ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/ OR  ~/thumbnails/normal/  ??
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> no clue you could have either
[06:58] <xubuntu1804> opps  ~/.thumbnails/normal/
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> I have both too
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> probably application dependant
[06:59] <xubuntu1804> which directory has the mime type icons?
[07:05] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu1804: you can just browse either?
[07:05] <pmjdebruijn> and look
[07:08] <xubuntu1804> I only have ~/.thumbnails/normal/ NO ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/ ; xubuntu-18.04 fully up-to-date : uname -r 4.15.0-29-generic
[07:10] <xubuntu1804> ran; sudo updatedb ,  no ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/ , created
 Can you tell which thumbnailer created : ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/  ??
 I should add, that in thunar I have pref's  'Show Thumbnails' set to 'Never'
 Have I lost u, as u wade-thru GBytes of thumbs ;)
 If I edit /etc/updatedb.conf ; and add to PRUNEPATHS ; is ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/ ; OK , OR /home/kunty/.cache/thumbnails/normal/
 Also updatedb does no create the errors, Catfish does
 'sudo updatedb -v' ran with no errors
[07:43] <xubuntu76i> Hi iam new user
[07:44] <xubuntu76i> recommend linux mint/xubuntu?
[07:45] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu1804: of course updatedb runs without errors, the files are there when updatedb indexes them. the issue is, that they are no longer there when catfish runs hours later
[07:46] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu76i: are you asking whether linux mint or xubuntu is better
[07:46] <pmjdebruijn> as the answer to that highly depends on the user :)
[07:46] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu at least has the advantage being a part of the real ubuntu family
[07:48] <pmjdebruijn> linux mint, while ubuntu based, isn't part of the family, so they may do things differently when they please
 Run 'sudo updatedb' ; OR open  /usr/bin/catfish in terminal ; 'Open Catfish --> options --> 'update search index' ; enter 'sudo password' (gui frontend to updatedb); then search *
 Where is ' ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/ ' deleted ??
[08:22] <xubuntu05w> Yo guys, i need to create an if and else statement in order to do the xubuntu core installation. Does anyone know a stable location to check if xubuntu core 16.04 is installed or not?
[08:22] <xubuntu05w> im thinking about /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
 I new but ; dpkg -l | grep linux-
[08:36] <Spass> xubuntu05w, what about "/usr/share/doc/xubuntu-core/"? only xubuntu-core package creates that folder
[08:37] <xubuntu05w> Spass, Thank you very much, gonna try that out !
[08:38] <xubuntu05w> so smart, of you spass. again thank you very much!
[08:38] <xubuntu05w> top lad!
[08:38] <xubuntu05w> :D
[08:38] <Spass> no problem, you location seems legit too too check if xfce4 is present, but it's created by some other package
[08:38] <Spass> *your
 I have to go for now, thanks for your help, I'll check-in later.
 you still there??
[12:03] <xubuntu1804> Ok, all a question about 'catfish' 'updatedb' 'mlocate.db' and 'tumbler' ; any takers ??
[12:04] <diogenes_> !ask
[12:07] <xubuntu1804> 1. Thunar 1.6.15 --> Pref's set 'Show Thumbnails' = 'Never'
[12:09] <xubuntu1804> 2. ~/.thumbnails/normal/ exists, ~/.cache/thumbnails/normal/ does NOT exist
[12:10] <xubuntu1804> 3. sudo rm -f /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db
[12:10] <xubuntu1804> 4. sudo updatedb
[12:14] <xubuntu1804> 5. In Term (ctrl-alt-T) /usr/bin/catfish
[12:17] <xubuntu1804> 6. Select Pref's (gear-wheel) -- > 'update search index'
[12:17] <xubuntu1804> 7. Search *
[12:18] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: can you explain in simple words what you trying to achieve? what is the expected relsult?
[12:18] <xubuntu1804> 8. 380 error lines Exception:  g-file-error-quark:  Failed to open '/home/host/.cache/thumbnails/normal/*.png' for writing: No such file or directory (4)
[12:20] <xubuntu1804> I expect catfish to not throw errors looking for non-existant *.png files
[12:20] <xubuntu1804> Sorry I'm so slow
[12:23] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: try gnome-search-tool
 :~$ gnome-search-tool gnome-search-tool: command not found
[12:25] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: first of all runŞ sudo apt install gnome-search-tool
 Isn't catfish the xubuntu search tool ??
[12:27] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: xfce4 by definition doesn't have any search tool, all it uses is third party applications, so you can any of the search tools available.
 Ok, so I should uninstall catfish ??
[12:29] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: is gnome-search-tool works with no errors then yes, if it still gives you errors then the issue is somewhere else
 Oh, Ok So use 'gnome-search-tool' to diagnose the problem ??
[12:32] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: no :)))) gnome-search-tool is yet another search tool just like catfish, you just open it and search for the files and live a happy life :)
 So, it looks like the problem is up stream in Catfish. yes??
[12:35] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: i'll confess you a huge secret, i don't use any gui based applications to look for files, all i use is terminal: find <[12:35] <xubuntu1804> :~$ sudo apt install gnome-search-tool [sudo] password for hosty:  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gnome-search-tool
 Yes I know I'm slack, but I'm old and slow
[12:38] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: right, they didn't even package it for ubuntu 18.04, very nice, i'd advice you then to install nautilus and use it whenever you need to search for files on your pc, nautilus has a built in search tool which is much faster than any of the search tools i've ever seen.
 nautilus, no thanks, I chose xubuntu, not ubuntu, I admit haven't used it since about 8.something
[12:43] <diogenes_> nautilus is not ubuntu application, it's gnome application that can be used anywhere.
[12:45] <xubuntu1804> Yes I know, but last time I looked at ubuntu with gnome DT, I didn't like it, true it was a long time ago, maybe time for another look
 Thanks for your help, I'll wait till 18.04.1 and look at both, thanks again
[12:48] <diogenes_> xubuntu1804: ok yw.
[13:03] <Spass> diogenes_, small side-note - Catfish recently became an official Xfce project application - https://bluesabre.org/2018/07/15/catfish-1-4-6-released-now-an-xfce-project/
[13:04] <diogenes_> Spass: oh ok, i didn't know that, thanks.
[14:16] <aldo_> test
[14:18] <fiet> it works!
[14:22] <xubuntu70d> Opening chromium from the xubuntu menu causes a "busy" cursor to appear when hovering over the title bar, but this never happens if launched from "Web Browser" or the terminal. Is there a reason why?
[14:30] <xubuntu74w> hi am new to linux i am trying to install ralink wireless utility (RT2870) driver but am unable to ,please help me?
[15:18] <aidrocsid> Getting some screen tearing when I watch videos or play games.
[15:18] <aidrocsid> Any advice?
[15:21] <xubuntu27w> Hello. After upgrading to Xubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver), my laptop will not longer boot up into the Gnome destop even though the text says that it started. Please advise on how to proceed.
[16:10] <aidrocsid> https://pastebin.com/v3a6rqMA   Got me some flickery monitors. Both ubuntu and xubuntu so I'd try a fix for either.
[16:11] <aidrocsid> I suppose that makes the first bits of that inaccurate.
[16:35] <xubuntu55w> hi am new to linux i am trying to install ralink wireless utility (RT2870) driver but am unable to ,please help me?
[18:15] <purplepod> Do I still want to be using bumblebee or primus or something for my Optimus card?
[18:15] <purplepod> I haven't messed with this stuff in years
[18:16] <oerheks> prime it is, you find the settings in the nvidia tool
[18:17] <purplepod> Doesn't that require me to be in nvidia-gpu on all the time mode?
[18:17] <purplepod> I want the thing that lets my intel card run, but I can do specific programs with the nvidia
[20:35] <xubuntu06w> Help: have an external monitor connected to my Dell laptop and want to close the lid and not suspend. How can I do this?
[20:36] <diogenes_> xubuntu06w: power manager and choose the option for lid close action
[20:36] <xubuntu06w> Does not give an option of "nothing"
[20:36] <diogenes_> there is switch off
[20:37] <xubuntu06w> Where?
[20:37] <diogenes_> it will switch off display
[20:37] <diogenes_> can you see: http://i.imgur.com/7wVI0Mc.png
[20:37] <xubuntu06w> Cannot find it
[20:39] <xubuntu06w> It says "switch off display" Will that turn off my external monitor as well?
[20:39] <nomenon> click that and choose another option
[20:40] <xubuntu06w> There is only "lock display" and "suspend"
[20:41] <diogenes_> xubuntu06w: what version on xubuntu you got?
[20:41] <xubuntu06w> 18.04
[20:42] <diogenes_> well, click on battery icon and tick the presentation mode, it sould prevent the system from sleeping
[20:43] <xubuntu06w> Thanks. I will try it.
[20:44] <nomenon> xubuntu06w, will you try something else first
[20:45] <nomenon> xubuntu06w, close the lid, wait for both screens to click off, and type on your keyboard/wiggle mouse
[20:45] <nomenon> the monitor comes right back ya?
[20:46] <xubuntu06w> Did not work. Bummer
[20:46] <nomenon> ok
[20:46] <nomenon> use an editor /etc/UPower/UPower.conf
[20:46] <nomenon> find
[20:46] <nomenon> ignoreLid=  set to
[20:46] <nomenon> ignoreLid=True
[20:47] <xubuntu06w> I did not try the type on the keys. Will try that.
[20:47] <nomenon> then service upower restart
[20:47] <nomenon> oh thats ubuntu
[20:49] <xubuntu06w> which editor do you suggest
[20:50] <nomenon> nano   but i dont think that is going to work
[20:51] <xubuntu06w> OK
[20:51] <nomenon> nano works like a regular text editor  vim hurts my head
[20:51] <xubuntu06w> OK
[21:01] <xubuntu06w> Have decided I will not close the lid...
[21:01] <xubuntu06w> Thanks for your help
[22:11] <havenstance> okay I see most everyone involved in the laptop lid question has left the channel but for anyone else coming across this issue I have 16.04 LTS Xubuntu, not sure if this process is the same for 18.10 but on 16.04 the answer to this was issuing in the terminal sudo nano /etc/UPower/UPower.conf and find the line that says IgnoreLid=false, change false to true, and I rebooted as I didn't know which service was controlled by UPower.
[22:12] <havenstance> confirmed test with a spare monitor that when I close the lid the laptop screen turns off but external monitor stayed open to the desktop. if anyone knows which service UPower.conf controls in Xubuntu, I presume just restarting that service would fix it


[00:00] <Unit193> Heh, yeah.  And ceni in there at that.
[00:02] <Unit193> ochosi: So, xfwm4 will just be a huge patch atop 4.11.2 or head?
[00:02] <ochosi> i guess head
[00:03] <Unit193> Heh, so that'd be a "yes, just a huge patch atop"
[00:04] <ochosi> yup
[00:04] <ochosi> maybe i'll also try to push something to github or a user-repo on git.xfce if that makes things easier for you
[00:04] <ochosi> packaging-wise
[00:24] <ochosi> Unit193: thanks for the panel, i'll test and then copy tomorrow
[00:24] <ochosi> nighty
[00:25] <Unit193> Sounds fun, g'night.
[09:30] <ochosi> hey elfy
[09:31] <ochosi> Unit193 was kind enough to package the latest panel with intelligent hiding and i've just installed it locally and tested it out and so far it works as it should
[09:31] <ochosi> so, next i'll copy it over to xubuntu-staging now
[09:32] <ochosi> what versions do you think would be best for testers? generally we have 14.04->15.04
[09:32] <ochosi> so i can also copy all three
[09:40] <knome> just do that :)
[09:45] <ochosi> ok, done
[09:46]  * Unit193 likes to forget about trusty.
[09:46] <knome> hey, many people are still using that!
[09:46] <knome> including me
[09:46] <ochosi> yeah, but even some of our team members are still using trusty
[09:46] <ochosi> hah, there ya go :)
[09:47] <knome> i'll switch at latest when there's only a few months of support for 14.10 left.
[09:47] <Unit193> I have a server, and a non-desktop/desktop system using it, that's it.
[09:47] <knome> Unit193, so two machines.. just as many as i do :P
[09:48] <Unit193> knome: But any system I use with a desktop, or for that matter Xfce, is on utopic. :D
[09:48] <knome> well congrats
[09:49] <Unit193> (And in some aspects, trusty is far better.)
[10:14] <ochosi> Unit193: nice, the panel build really works well with intelligent hiding. thanks for packaging that up!
[10:15] <Unit193> Sure.
[10:51] <ochosi> bbl
[10:59] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, elfy, ochosi and bluesabre I chatted to some of you during UOS and Ubuntu MATE.
[11:00] <ali1234> hi
[11:00] <flexiondotorg> Are any of you available, I have some questions about patching some packages you're maintaing.
[11:00] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Hi
[11:00] <flexiondotorg> Got a few mins?
[11:01] <ali1234> sure
[11:02] <flexiondotorg> Firstly, we chatted about adding indicators to Ubiquity in Xubuntu. Would like like the package list that would need adding to the 'live' seed to achieve this?
[11:03] <flexiondotorg> This should cover it:
[11:03] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-application
[11:03] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-keyboard
[11:03] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-power
[11:03] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-session
[11:03] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-sound
[11:03] <ali1234> is that all you have to do, just add them to the seed?
[11:04] <flexiondotorg> Providing you are using ubiquity-frontend-gtk, Yes.
[11:04] <flexiondotorg> Ubiquity DM basically implements the indicator handler.
[11:04] <ali1234> yes, so does lightdm
[11:05] <flexiondotorg> Now, one of those segfaults on Ubuntu MATE.
[11:05] <ali1234> or lightdm-gtk-greeter
[11:05] <flexiondotorg> I'll just find the bug report so if you have the same issue in Xubuntu you can add to it.
[11:07] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1369958
[11:07] <Unit193> We seed -application and -sound.
[11:08] <flexiondotorg> Unit193, If you let the Xubuntu iso boot to Ubiquity, there are no indicators. Meaning that configuring network, and a11y is not possible.
[11:09] <flexiondotorg> The packages I listed above, should be included in the 'live' seed to expose this functionality in the installer.
[11:09] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Do have any questions about that? Can I move on to the next topic?
[11:09] <ali1234> i don't know anything about making livecds anyway
[11:10] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Well all that is required is to add those packages to the live seed. The build tools will take care of the rest.
[11:12] <flexiondotorg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.vivid/view/head:/live
[11:12] <Unit193> I wouldn't add all of those though, and as I said, -sound and -application are in 'desktop', so when you boot into the live session they are installed (and running).  Not sure how ubiquity interacts with them at all though.
[11:13] <Unit193> live == stuff only installed in the live session.
[11:13] <flexiondotorg> Unit193, In which case you'd only require:
[11:13] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-keyboard
[11:13] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-power
[11:13] <flexiondotorg>  * indicator-session
[11:13] <flexiondotorg> Adding to 'live'
[11:14] <flexiondotorg> You might also require indicator-network if that is not already in desktop or core.
[11:14] <flexiondotorg> Ubiquity fully supports indicators, see the stock Ubuntu installer for reference.
[11:15] <ali1234> what does the ubuntu desktop seed do?
[11:16] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, I have some patches for indicator-sound-gtk2 and indicator-application-gtk2
[11:17] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Would you be able to merge them and release new packages vivid? I think you said you were a maintainer of those packages?
[11:17] <ali1234> no, i said those packages have no maintainer
[11:17] <ali1234> nobody else is using them
[11:18] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, OK. Can you suggest how I might get those packages patched?
[11:18] <ali1234> open a merge request on launchpad and then annoy the people in #ubuntu-desktop until they merge it
[11:19] <ali1234> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.vivid/view/head:/live
[11:19] <ali1234> this doesn't seem to include any indicator stuff?
[11:19] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, I can't open a merge request. It says I don't have permission.
[11:20] <flexiondotorg> I created this bug and attached the patch
[11:20] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound-gtk2/+bug/1337241
[11:20] <ali1234> i can turn that into a MR if you want
[11:20] <ali1234> you do have permission though, anyone does
[11:21] <ali1234> according to launchpad you need to annoy micahg
[11:21] <ali1234> and gilir
[11:24] <ali1234> and maybe mr_pouit
[11:26] <ali1234> i'm actually not sure if you want to make a MR against the upstream or the ubuntu package
[11:27] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, What do you suggest?
[11:27] <ali1234> find the last person who changed either and ask them
[11:27] <flexiondotorg> Ask them what?
[11:28] <ali1234> how best to apply your patches
[11:28] <flexiondotorg> OK
[11:29] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[11:29] <ali1234> unfortunately it looks like the last person was me
[11:29] <knome> aaaand we have a winner!
[11:30] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, I though so 😉
[11:30] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Can you help then 😁
[11:30] <ali1234> sponsored by bdmurray but that doesn't mean much
[11:31] <flexiondotorg> I'll see if I can create a MR for both.
[11:31] <davmor2> ali1234: wompwompwomp.com
[11:31] <ali1234> well the thing is the MR would be very different for the package vs upstream
[11:32] <ali1234> but it looks like upstream is not getting synced any more into the distro
[11:32] <ali1234> so looks like you'll need to do it against each package
[11:33] <ali1234> for that you'll want to make a debdiff and... i forget
[11:34] <ali1234> have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound-gtk2/+bug/1208204
[11:35] <ali1234> that was done as a debdiff
[11:35] <ali1234> but mainly because it had to be SRU'd
[11:36] <ali1234> doing it this way will probably be best since upstreaming the patch would mean re-syncing all the patches in the package
[11:36] <ali1234> and that sounds like a lot of work that nobody wants to do
[11:40] <ali1234> if you post a debdiff on your bug it will auto subscribe the right people i think
[11:54] <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8, thanks for the fabulous work on http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/1.4/start
[12:12] <ochosi> flexiondotorg: actually we don't have a panel in the ubiquity live session, so no i've no idea where they should show up if we add them to the seed
[12:12] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, There is a panel, it is just empty.
[12:12] <ochosi> i guess the first step would be to add the xfce4-panel to the ubiquity session somehow and then make the indicators show up there...
[12:13] <ochosi> if there is, i've never seen it though
[12:13] <ochosi> or is it something ubiquity specific?
[12:16] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, Yes, it is part of Ubiquity
[12:16] <flexiondotorg> I'll post a screenshot...
[12:17] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, OK, appologies.
[12:17] <flexiondotorg> There is not panel in Xubuntu 14.04 Ubiquity.
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> Odd, because while I was making Ubuntu MATE I had an empty panel displayed in Ubiquity.
[12:18] <ochosi> interesting
[12:18] <ochosi> i mean in general it sounds like a good idea to show a panel there with the indicators
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> Theme related?
[12:18] <ochosi> nah, that has nothing to do with themes at all
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, The reason I added the indicators was to expose the a11y features.
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> And configure the network.
[12:18] <ochosi> but there are e.g. notifications about available wifis but there's no way to connect to them, so that blows a bit :)
[12:19] <ochosi> yeah, makes sense to me
[12:20] <ochosi> i just have no idea how to show our panel there yet
[12:20] <ochosi> just adding the indicators alone will not suffice i suppose
[12:23] <ochosi> but frankly, i don't know enough about the ubiquity session
[13:01] <elfy> ochosi: ack re panle
[13:01] <elfy> which is like panel :p
[13:01] <Unit193> Only more le.
[13:03] <ochosi> elfy: thanks.
[13:04] <ochosi> as soon as you've sent out the announcement i'll forward it to g+
[13:06] <elfy> ochosi: cool - just saw it in ppa - as soon as I've successfully upgraded to it then I'll post
[13:07] <ochosi> ty
[13:08] <elfy> ochosi: just so I am completely sure - the plan is to test this and then get it in properly to default xubuntu?
[13:09] <ochosi> elfy: the idea is to test it and if it works ok, i'll ask andrzejr to do a panel development release, which will in turn end up in xubuntu
[13:09] <ochosi> so yeah, what you said, but with one or two corners more
[13:09] <elfy> one more question - how do we want people to report bugs? because apport obviously throws a fit with ppa's
[13:09] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke
[13:09] <ochosi> ideally, they would report bugs upstream
[13:09] <ochosi> i hope there won't be bugs though :]
[13:09] <ochosi> (but usually there always are)
[13:09] <elfy> ok - I guessed as much - just making sure
[13:10] <elfy> ha ha yea :)
[13:10] <ochosi> adding "intelligent hiding" to the bug title will help
[13:10] <elfy> ok
[13:10] <ochosi> and even replying to the thread on our ml with a link to the bugreport/s would be fair
[13:10] <elfy> yep
[13:10] <ochosi> just to make sure, the reports are visible enough
[13:10] <ochosi> -,
[13:25] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, I didn't mean to hog the whole thing, but there just didn't seem to be enough there to split up :)
[13:26] <jjfrv8> ochosi, elfy, I got the panel update and will test. OK so far.
[13:27] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i guess you've set the panel to intelligent hiding already?
[13:27] <jjfrv8> yup
[13:27] <Unit193> ochosi: Full testcase, regression tests, and possible bug triggering?
[13:28] <ochosi> not sure a testcase makes sense, i guess it'll be more exploratory testing in everyday situations
[13:28] <ochosi> in terms of testcase, i've pretty much gone through it with andrzejr
[13:29] <ochosi> but yeah, if there are bugs or things that don't work (e.g. plugins that make the panel hide, like datetime used to before i fixed it), that'd be good to know
[13:29] <ochosi> for now i hope that it'll be the plugins' fault
[13:33] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I notice that switching to an open terminal window, even if it's not maximized, brings the panel back. Is that normal?
[13:33] <ochosi> the concept of intelligent hiding means that the panel shows up when the focused window doesn't overlap (i.e. in terms of position or in terms of being maximized)
[13:35] <jjfrv8> ah yes, I see now. (and you had already explained that before. my bad :(
[13:38] <ochosi> no worries
[13:38] <ochosi> could be that we also have to clarify that in the call for testing, in order not to get invalid bugreports
[13:39] <Unit193> I thought "intelligent hiding" was it only pops up when you don't want it, and can't find it when you do. :(
[13:41] <ochosi> that sounds more like silly hiding
[13:41] <Unit193> Had a program that made the Windows start button do that once...
[14:29] <sidi> ochosi, i feel you have a burning need to not talk about xfpm versioning :-P
[14:30] <ochosi> sidi: well it's simply grown historically to what it is today and we've just continued with the existing direction/tradition is all
[14:30] <sidi> oops i wrote on #xub
[14:30] <ochosi> that not being consistent with -core is simply a pointless discussion, was all i was trying to point out
[14:30] <ochosi> yeah, that too :)
[14:31] <sidi> ochosi, :-)
[15:10] <slickymasterWork> np jjfrv8
[15:19] <Unit193> Well if there's nothing else on the agenda, could see if the ppas are working correctly, or see if $foo is working correctly.
[15:19] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, feel free to add that to the agenda though
[16:25] <etwarrior> elfy, or anybody for that matter... I know I've briefly mentioned I'm interested in helping with developing, not only to translate for French, but I'd like to even perhaps help in testing of Xubuntu on my old Windows XP machine?
[16:25] <etwarrior> Perhaps... we'll see.
[16:26] <etwarrior> I was sent by GridCube .
[16:26] <GridCube> :)
[16:26] <etwarrior> I know I'd love to translate.
[16:26] <etwarrior> But my French isn't spot-on.
[16:26] <etwarrior> But I can try.
[16:26] <GridCube> i think slickymasterWork was the one coordinating translation efforts
[16:27] <ochosi> tbh i'm not sure translating to a language that you have the feeling is not "spot on" is a good idea
[16:27] <ochosi> might end up in misleading translations, which might be worse than no translation at all in some cases
[16:27] <ochosi> (as a word of caution ^ )
[16:28] <etwarrior> Okay, but I do understand how the grammar works of the language, and stuff like that.
[16:28] <GridCube> etwarrior: mister ochosi here is the xubuntu's  development team leader :D
[16:28] <etwarrior> The adjective always comes after the noun.
[16:28] <etwarrior> Oh yes, we've met before... :~)
[16:28] <ochosi> GridCube: actually i'm only the XPL, bluesabre is the development lead ;)
[16:28] <slickymasterWork> etwarrior, even though our goal is to have all the idioms translated, but not at any price
[16:28] <GridCube> P: oh right
[16:28] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi, GridCube
[16:32] <etwarrior> slickymasterWork, understandable.
[16:32] <slickymasterWork> etwarrior, with that aim in mind and with the goal of providing a perfect Xubuntu experience in other native languages, we do ask that any translation effort should only be addressed by someone that holds a full dominion of the language in question
[16:32] <etwarrior> I need to wait a few days before I sign up on your ubuntuone page, I'm switching Email providers... I should be all good to go this upcoming Sunday.
[16:33] <etwarrior> My current email provider (hushmail) only allows 25MB for the free version... and though it's supposedly private, I've heard that hushmail leaked it's user's data in the past... I'm switching to another more on the private side email firm, with a bit more free-space included for the free version, supposedly I'm supposed to get 5GB of space, which should really help.
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> in any case etwarrior, every help is welcome
[16:34] <etwarrior> Thank you.
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> and regarding Xubuntu documentation at large, you can also branch it for proof-reading spelling and grammar, checking consistency of formatting, checking consistency of language and style or writing glossary entries and adding entries to the index
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> I mean branch the xubuntu documentation package
[16:36] <slickymasterWork> if you think you'll need some help with, please fell free to ping at any time
[16:37] <etwarrior> Thanks.
[16:37] <etwarrior> Proof-read in English, or French, or bot?
[16:37] <etwarrior> both*
[16:38] <slickymasterWork> in we feel comfortable with both idioms, of course
[16:40] <slickymasterWork> even though if you'll think that something should/ought be corrected in the French translation, the only way will be able to corrected will be by proposing a new translations to the string(s)
[16:40] <slickymasterWork> s/ in we/if you
[16:42] <etwarrior> I see.
[16:43] <slickymasterWork> I'm not sure whether you check it or not, but you could have a read at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/support_documentation/
[16:44] <elfy> image testing is easy enough - test dailies in a vm if you can't do hardware, test milestones when we call for them http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[16:55] <elfy> ochosi: I guess there's no way for someone to only test panel for intellihide without testing all the other packages, without enabling the staging ppa to upgrade panel on it's own then disabling it
[16:55] <elfy> I can't think of another simple method
[17:02] <brainwash> download the packages manually from the launchpad site
[17:04] <elfy> that isn't going to require a whole bunch of instructions for people testing
[17:06] <elfy> I've never bothered trying to download single packages from a PPA tbh
[17:09] <elfy> ochosi: alternatively we assume that people testing have enough knowledge to deal with a ppa with different packages and decide for themselves what to use
[18:31] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, ochosi I am making some change to Ubiquity.
[18:31] <flexiondotorg> ubiquity-dm expressly disables it's panel when xfwm4 is detected.
[18:32] <flexiondotorg> if (os.path.exists('/usr/lib/ubiquity/panel') and
[18:32] <flexiondotorg>                     "xfwm4" not in wm_cmd):
[18:32] <flexiondotorg> That is why no Ubiquity panel in Xubuntu I think.
[18:33] <ali1234> isn't that for when you install from the live desktop?
[18:33] <flexiondotorg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm#L500
[18:34] <flexiondotorg> Yes, the Ubiquity panel is displayed if you don't interrupt the boot process. You get to the "Install Xubuntu" "Try Xubuntu" graphical menu.
[18:34] <flexiondotorg> The Ubiquity panel is displayed on the top, similar to LightDM.
[18:34] <ali1234> and if you select "install xubuntu"?
[18:35] <flexiondotorg> If you do that ^^^^^ Ubquity remains and so does the panel.
[18:35] <ali1234> right
[18:35] <ali1234> and if you select "try xubuntu" you get the xubuntu desktop, which has indicators
[18:36] <flexiondotorg> Also, I see xfwm4 disables compositing in the Ubiquity display manager. Compositing is required for the indicators to render correctly.
[18:36] <ali1234> i don't understand
[18:36] <ali1234> if xfwm is running you are on the desktop
[18:37] <ali1234> then you get indicators via xfce4-panel
[18:37] <flexiondotorg> No.
[18:37] <flexiondotorg> Ubiquity has a display manager, ubiquity-dm.
[18:37] <flexiondotorg> It launches a window manager.
[18:37] <flexiondotorg> It search the file system for compatible window managers.
[18:40] <ali1234> why aren't the indicators in the seed for ubuntu?
[18:40] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, I think they are pulled in by other packages.
[18:41] <flexiondotorg> I have to disable recommended packages in the Ubuntu MATE seeds otherwise I end up with most of GNOME3 and Unity.
[18:41] <ali1234> ah
[18:41] <flexiondotorg> Off, for a run. I'll be back later if you have questions.
[20:20] <brainwash> elfy: your screenshot confuses me now http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-081214-170915.php
[20:21] <brainwash> it shows the minimize and maximize button
[20:21] <brainwash> here the "try and install" window started from desktop does show minimize and close
[20:21] <elfy> I'd hope so too - I'd really hate for my vbox to not have those :p
[20:22] <brainwash> "try or install"
[20:22] <brainwash> is the "where are you?" window different?
[20:22] <elfy> no idea - I don't often look at the install window - we don't test that
[20:23] <elfy> [17:25] <elfy> actually - only where are you/kbd layout and who are you have max button
[20:24] <elfy> in try
[20:24] <brainwash> a max button instead of a close button
[20:24] <brainwash> ok
[20:25] <brainwash> now we need to know if one can actually maximize that window :)
[20:25] <elfy> you can't
[20:25] <elfy> as the bug says - it's pretty much useless
[20:25] <elfy> and I really don't have much interest in this rather minor thing either tbh :)
[20:26] <brainwash> I know, and it should not be there, but the fix seems to be incomplete
[20:27] <brainwash> I am curious about this, because I thought that my patch works in general
[20:27] <brainwash> but ubiquity is doing something special
[20:28] <elfy> I guess so - I understand you've got an interest :D
[20:29] <brainwash> 15.04 seems somewhat strange, now I also see the scramble background picture on second login
[20:29] <brainwash> the first login is smooth
[20:29] <elfy> nouveau?
[20:30] <brainwash> no..... radeon
[20:30] <elfy> restart or shutdown?
[20:30] <brainwash> login -> desktop
[20:30] <elfy> no idea about radeon - but open source driver rather than ati?
[20:30] <brainwash> yes, the open source radeon driver
[20:31] <brainwash> that's the odd thing
[20:31] <elfy> brainwash: you'll possibly see the same corruption on restart too
[20:31] <brainwash> 15.04 has some weird bugs and regressions
[20:32] <brainwash> mainly hardware/driver
[20:32] <elfy> all works much the same for me as 14.10
[20:35] <brainwash> I'll keep on testing
[20:37] <brainwash> I've triggered apport few times already, but it does not seem send any reports (or at least open the web browser and let me file the report)
[20:37] <elfy> mmm
[20:37] <brainwash> can you confirm this?
[20:37] <elfy> not sure it's turned on properly tbh
[20:38] <elfy> I edited /etc/apport/crashdb.conf
[20:38] <elfy>         'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package', 'Crash'],
[20:38] <elfy> added Crash there
[20:38] <brainwash> I'll try that, thanks
[20:59] <ochosi> flexiondotorg: no idea why the panel is disabled, maybe there were/are reasons, best way would to try i guess...
[21:05] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, Well I've passed on what I know. You can test stuff out and refine your setup from here 😃
[21:12] <ochosi> sure thanks
[21:12] <elfy> ochosi: thanks for meeting at a time I can make it :)
[21:18] <brainwash> flexiondotorg: why is the panel needed?
[21:20] <flexiondotorg> brainwash, The Ubiquity panel will auto load a number of indicators.
[21:20] <flexiondotorg> So, the reason for the Ubiquity panel is to expose indicators that enable a11y, network configuration etc.
[21:21] <brainwash> ubiquity is strange.. are you maintaining it?
[21:23] <brainwash> currently the panel is missing, the background is black and some windows have an unneeded maximize button.. oh boy
[21:23] <brainwash> xubuntu related issues ^
[21:24] <flexiondotorg> brainwash, No, I'm the Ubuntu MATE maintainer.
[21:24] <flexiondotorg> Not an Ubuntu/Canonical staffer.
[21:24] <flexiondotorg> So, I've been patching Ubiquity to support MATE and marco (MATE window manager).
[21:25] <brainwash> ah, I've installed MATE today for the first time
[21:25] <flexiondotorg> I'm also on the upstream MATE team.
[21:25] <brainwash> on top of my xubuntu test installation
[21:25] <brainwash> that's awesome
[21:25] <flexiondotorg> brainwash, It works 😃
[21:25] <flexiondotorg> I'm also an Arch Linux dev.
[21:25] <flexiondotorg> Not sure, how I got talked into making an Ubuntu distro exactly.
[21:25] <brainwash> changing the theme in MATE required a relog, is this expected?
[21:26] <flexiondotorg> MATE theme change should be dynamic. Except for some system tray icons.
[21:26] <flexiondotorg> That bug is being worked on currently.
[21:26] <ali1234> xfce4-panel had that problem too
[21:26] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, If you have any tips, much welcome 😃
[21:26] <ali1234> i dunno, i didn't fix it
[21:26] <brainwash> well, nothing changed until I relog, so something is missing here
[21:27] <ali1234> don't know if it is even fixed
[21:27] <ali1234> i think we made the icons have a transparent background always
[21:27] <ali1234> so even though they don't update, it doesn't matter
[21:27] <ali1234> i've been helping people report bugs against mate too
[21:28] <ali1234> seen some theme issues with chrome, and that's when i saw the panel thing
[21:28] <brainwash> does MATE load indicators?
[21:28] <ali1234> yes but only gtk2 ones
[21:28] <brainwash> like xubuntu does
[21:28] <brainwash> ah, that's why I did not see any
[21:29] <ali1234> probably
[21:29] <ali1234> are you using the ppa?
[21:29] <ali1234> because mate in the repos is broken
[21:29] <brainwash> no, 15.05
[21:29] <brainwash> 15.04
[21:29] <ali1234> i don't know the status of that
[21:29] <brainwash> I'll add the PPA then
[21:29] <ali1234> not sure about the status of the ppa with +1 either
[21:34] <flexiondotorg> brainwash, Ubuntu MATE will load indicators using the old indicator-application-gtk2 package.
[21:34] <flexiondotorg> I pushed some MRs today that add the required patches.
[21:35] <flexiondotorg> Within Ubiquity, I make sure the various indicators are installed so that ubiquity-dm can load them.
[21:35] <ali1234> indicator-application is just one indicator
[21:36] <ali1234> sound is the only other one that has gtk2
[21:36] <flexiondotorg> indication-sound-gtk2 is the other and indicator-application-gtk2 in combination with mate-indicator-applet can wrap other indicators.
[21:36] <ali1234> no, it can't
[21:37] <ali1234> indicator-application isn't lower in the stack
[21:37] <ali1234> it's a simplified api for systray style icons
[21:38] <ali1234> so for example indicator-application-gtk2 will not help you to display indicator-messages
[21:40] <brainwash> flexiondotorg: how do you test ubiquity? can you start it inside a desktop environment?
[21:41] <flexiondotorg> I've never done that. I have my own iso building scripts that (largely) mimic the official Canonical infrastructure.
[21:41] <flexiondotorg> I use those to test stuff, since I can bind PPAs to the build.
[21:42] <brainwash> I see
[21:42] <brainwash> it seems like I cannot start it stand alone here
[21:42] <flexiondotorg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity <--- See the bottom on of the page
[21:43] <brainwash> so I'll use live iso + live mode to test code changes
[21:44] <brainwash> that's helpful also
[21:46] <flexiondotorg> ubiquity-dm is just a python script so you could edit it in the live session.
[23:06] <Unit193> Hey, so how does one start up maybe-ubiquity after booting with the  text  option?
[23:31] <Unit193> brainwash: THere?
[23:42] <ochosi> brainwash: i wonder whether that is actually a ubiquity bug (the maximise button)