[10:04] <RoyK> hi all. is there any more info I can give for bug 1171945 to be fixed any quicker?
[10:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1171945 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Nested RAID levels aren't started after reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171945
[10:05] <xnox> RoyK: no, not really. You can try fixing it though =) highlighting me on mdadm / pinging about the same bug every day does not help much.
[10:09] <Noskcaj> RoyK, i would assume getting everything sorted upstream would help, as would getting the bug triaged
[10:10] <RoyK> xnox: only asked twice - yesterday and today... thought perhaps more people were in here
[10:11] <RoyK> I don't think it's an mdadm bug, though, more of an ubuntu startup bug
[10:13] <xnox> RoyK: sure, the bug is in initramfs, but the scripts that are executed in the initramfs to mount raid devices are provided by the mdadm package.
[10:14] <RoyK> are you sure this is done in the initramfs?
[10:14] <xnox> RoyK: if nested raid is rootfs device, yes.
[10:15] <RoyK> it isn't
[10:15] <xnox> if it's not rootfs device, it may or may not be handled in initramfs, depending on how quick the raid comes up.
[10:16] <RoyK> where is it handled outside the initramfs?
[10:19] <xnox> udev rules, shipped by mdadm package.
[10:19] <RoyK> here /lib/udev/rules.d/64-md-raid.rules ?
[10:25] <xnox> correct.
[10:28] <RoyK> doing more testing first...
[10:57] <RoyK> hm... I don't really know my way around udev :(
[10:58] <RoyK> could it be possible mdadm's udev rules aren't triggered/parsed for md devices as needed with nested md?
[12:36] <RoyK> xnox: seems it can't be only that file - tested with Wheezy now, with almost exactly the same rules file - see update in the bug
[12:37] <xnox> RoyK: wheezy does not activate mdadm arrays using udev, but rather using an init script and mdadm.conf. So ubuntu & wheezy are not directly comparable.
[12:37] <RoyK> but they share the same mdadm rules file_
[12:37] <RoyK> ?
[12:37] <RoyK> but I see what you mean
[12:38] <RoyK> xnox: but where are the arrays assembled in precise?
[12:40] <xnox> same as in quantal/raring/saucy.
[12:43] <RoyK> haven't tested saucy, but same in raring
[12:44] <RoyK> works in lucid
[17:26] <lfaraone> Is there a way to have upstream mark a variable in their C program as "sensitive" so it won't get published on retracing?
[17:26] <TheLordOfTime> you'd have to ask the upstream devs that one.
[17:27] <lfaraone> TheLordOfTime: sorry, I'm asking on behalf of an upstream developer who found a user's session key in a launchpad bug.
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> which bug
[17:27] <lfaraone> so the question is "what changes should we make in the future"
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> or you could answer my question
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> "which bug"
[17:27]  * TheLordOfTime is on bugcontrol ;P
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> if its a bug in ubuntu and it's got private data as public that's a problem
[17:28] <lfaraone> TheLordOfTime: me too, I just didn't see your message asking for the bug number when mine was sent...
[17:28] <lfaraone> TheLordOfTime: 1185863
[17:28]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[17:29] <lfaraone> LP #1185863
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> yeah i can't see the bug
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> lfaraone:  is the bug itself marked "private"?
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> if it is then the data's going to be that much harder for anyone to find
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> (this is why the "private" bug type exists)
[17:29] <lfaraone> TheLordOfTime: I just remarked it as Private, the user initially marked it as public.
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> lfaraone:  then explain to the individual about the difference between private / public
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> lfaraone:  but to change your question a tad
[17:30] <RoyK> bug 1185863
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> you're asking whether you can selectively block a retracer from detecting data such as a session key
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> or block apport from sending that data in the first place?
[17:30] <lfaraone> TheLordOfTime: Either, sure.
[17:31] <RoyK> what does it take to get a bug triaged?
[17:31] <TheLordOfTime> okay, i don't have an answer for you, lfaraone
[17:31] <TheLordOfTime> RoyK:  depends on the bug
[17:31] <TheLordOfTime> what bug?
[17:31] <lfaraone> TheLordOfTime: like, I can mlock() memory to prevent it from being paged to disk...
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> lfaraone:  if you're working with upstream then upstream should handle it, i'm not sure why you're asking here what upstream can do to block it
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> since i can think of a thousand ways to block data from being stuck in memory data that's being dumped/traced
[17:33] <lfaraone> TheLordOfTime: I'm asking if there's a documented, preferred way for an upstream to sanitise variables before they're sent to apport.
[17:33] <RoyK> bug 1171945
[17:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1171945 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Nested RAID levels aren't started after reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171945
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> afaik, no, but you can stick around for other bugcontrollers to comment, or apport devs.
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> RoyK:  you might be interested in the bugsquad docs on how to triage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> only when there's a certain handful of criterion that're met does it go from confirmed -> triaged
[17:37] <TheLordOfTime> RoyK:  i'm pretty certain there's at least a handful of other people qualified to work on the bug watching it, but since I'm on my phone I can't do anything from here :/
[17:38] <RoyK> TheLordOfTime: well, I've documented all I've found
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> RoyK:  my point was I don't have my bugcontrol access on my phone
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> (timeout from login screen)
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> so while i may or may not believe it's ready for triaging, i don't have access for changing either way
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[17:39] <TheLordOfTime> ... whoopsies i'm late for a meeting... >.<
[17:39] <RoyK> ok
[17:39] <RoyK> thanks for the input
[17:45] <hggdh> lfaraone, TheLordOfTime: pelase note that all persons already subscribed to the bug will keep their subscriptions even if the bug is marked private now
[17:45] <lfaraone> hggdh: understood.
[17:46] <lfaraone> I'm curious why TheLordOfTime said they weren't able to access the bug, shouldn't bugcontrol be able to see it?hggdh
[17:46] <hggdh> lfaraone: depends...
[17:46] <TheLordOfTime> lfaraone:  probably part of it is because i got logged out of my lp login
[17:46] <hggdh> bug 1185863
[17:46] <TheLordOfTime> but hggdh is right, it depends
[17:46] <hggdh> bah, the bot is inactive
[17:46] <hggdh> lfaraone: let me open it directly
[17:48] <TheLordOfTime> eheh
[17:48] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  i tried opening it just now after login, it said "not found"
[17:48] <TheLordOfTime> as if it's hidden
[17:48] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[17:48] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: so we do not have subscription to it
[17:48] <hggdh> (mine also failed)
[17:48] <TheLordOfTime> yep
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> bugcontrol doesn't always have access to everything
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> although sometimes we do
[17:49]  * hggdh goes to a meeting
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> ... that reminds me, there's two SEGV bugs I need to slap into nothingness because they only affected oneiric
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> s/SEGV/SEGV private crash bugs/
[18:05] <lfaraone> hggdh: I can sub bugcontrol to it.
[18:05] <lfaraone> done
[18:09] <TheLordOfTime> ack on the subscription just hit my email
[18:09] <TheLordOfTime> but why's it marked "Fix Released"...?
[18:09] <TheLordOfTime> or is this just an exemplar bug of the issue you're asking about, relating to hiding data from apport.
[18:11] <TheLordOfTime> ... actually the whole private vs. public issue here looks like a PEBKAC issue.
[18:11] <TheLordOfTime> looks like the user didn't realize there was private data on their bug.
[18:12] <TheLordOfTime> besides, crash bugs are normally set to 'private' automatically
[18:12] <TheLordOfTime> at least, last i checked how those get reported.
[18:13] <RoyK> which bug_
[18:13] <RoyK> ?
[18:15] <TheLordOfTime> RoyK:  private bug, the one lfaraone referenced
[18:15] <TheLordOfTime> lfaraone:  read above.
[18:18] <RoyK> when is a bug private_
[18:18] <RoyK> ?
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> RoyK:  when it's a crash bug
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> or when it's set as "private"


[00:41] <p01nt3r> good morning. get an error if i try to install nvidia-173 on an tnt-2 card under lubuntu. this is what the installer says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5920163/
[00:42] <p01nt3r> lubuntu is version 13.04, kernel is 3.8.0-26-generic
[00:43] <p01nt3r> how will i get the right kernel-headers to work?
[00:44] <p01nt3r> uups - it's version 71.86.15, sry.
[02:56] <Emilio> Hi everyone. I'm trying to set deluge to auto download to a shared network drive, but the path is smb://blahblahblah and deluge won't accept it. Is there anything I can do?
[03:01] <Emilio> hello?
[12:37] <p01nt3r> hello. get an error if i try to install nvidia-173 on an tnt-2 card under lubuntu. this is what the installer says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5920163/
[12:38] <p01nt3r> oh, not 173, it's 71.86.15
[12:38] <p01nt3r> on lubuntu 13.04, kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[12:39] <p01nt3r> so how do i configure the required kernel-file(s)?
[12:45] <p01nt3r> and at this point i have to say: very greatful work is done with lubuntu - best os i've ever seen for older hardware ;-) THX!
[13:23] <p01nt3r> is anyone here? xD
[13:31] <p01nt3r> hmm..
[13:47] <Unit193> p01nt3r: You pasted the wrong log, but do you have the linux header files?
[13:49] <p01nt3r> get an error if i try to install nvidia-71.86.15 via .run-file on an tnt-2 card under lubuntu. this is what the installer says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5920163/. any idea?
[13:49] <joshu> hey Unit193 do you know how to get xbindkeys or similar to start before lightdm, so that the shortcuts are available prior to logging in?
[13:50] <Unit193> I'd think you would use a upstart job for the event login-session-start
[13:52] <joshu> Unit193 I've tried starting xbindkeys & with that in a script and calling it at both desktop-setup-script and session-setup-script
[13:53] <joshu> basically I want to be able to change display brightness at the lightdm greeter and also once a session is started. I can change the brightness by calling echo 10 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/radeon_*/brightness
[13:54] <joshu> but I can't get the keyboard keys to work without logging in.
[13:55] <Unit193> And if you drop to a TTY (export DISPLAY) and set them does it work?
[13:56] <joshu> yep don't even need to export display
[13:56] <joshu> just ctrl+alt+F1, login and run /usr/local/bin/myscript and it will change the brightness to that level
[13:57] <Unit193> I was thinking the keybinds mapping.  Alright, and does it have any output in /var/log/upstart/ ?
[13:58] <joshu> oh sorry misunderstood
[13:58] <joshu> so drop to TTY export DISPLAY=:0 and then try the keyboard shortucts?
[13:58] <Unit193> The idea is to test and make sure you can set the keybinds when you're trying to.
[13:59] <joshu> just tried that and nothing happens.
[14:00] <Unit193> So there you go.
[14:01] <joshu> Unit193 in /var/log/upstart/lightdm.log
[14:01] <joshu> Error: //.xbindkeysrc not found or reading not allowed
[14:02] <joshu> what do I need to do to fix that?
[14:02] <glennop> i have a question about application dock... i have been using docky with lubuntu.  Is that OK?  any issues with docky?
[14:03] <Unit193> Ah, you seemed to not have a full path in your script or you aren't calling it pointing it to the rc file.
[14:03] <Unit193> glennop: If you like it, use it.
[14:04] <glennop> thx
[14:07] <joshu> Unit193 I can't figure it out :(
[14:10] <joshu> Unit193 when I clear that log file, reboot and try again I see no errors
[14:10] <joshu> just "215"
[14:10] <joshu> whatever that means
[14:11] <joshu> it must be possible to get keyboard shortcuts working somehow
[14:11] <joshu> I can't be the first one
[14:12] <p01nt3r> Unit193, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5921818/
[14:12] <Unit193> sudo updatedb && locate xbindkeysrc    Yeah, I'd guess different methods.
[14:13] <Unit193> p01nt3r: Is that /var/log/nvidia-installer.log?  And did you check the one in Software Sources > Additional Drivers?
[14:13] <joshu> Unit193 your commands return /home/test/.xkeybindkeysrc and 5 entries in /usr/share/doc/xbindkeys
[14:14] <Unit193> (I'm about to head off.)
[14:14] <joshu> Unit193 so you think that this is possible or should I just drop trying to solve it?
[14:16] <Unit193> Well my thought is that you could find where it reads it from if run from  lightdm, but guessing /root.  Have you checked xmodmap?
[14:17] <joshu> no idea what xmodmap is? so you mean that the .xbindkeysrc should be in /root instead?
[14:19] <p01nt3r> Unit193, yes it is and i don't have any drivers under "additional drivers" listed.
[14:20] <p01nt3r> Unit193, that was the reason why i tried to install a .run-file. remember: it's lubuntu, not ubuntu.
[14:56] <xubuntu514> Hello
[14:56] <xubuntu514> İ have a questıon
[14:57] <xubuntu514> Can ı use ubuntu's program in wıth same performance
[14:57] <xubuntu514> in thelubuntu
[15:00] <p01nt3r> xubuntu514, sources are (mostly) the same, depends on what hardware you use
[15:01] <p01nt3r> xubuntu514, maybe perfomance is better with lubuntu, because it's optimized for older computers
[15:07] <p01nt3r> xubuntu514, but maybe  openbox will react different with some software because it's not unity/gdm
[16:40] <p01nt3r> Unit193, noch eine idee wegen meines nvidia-treibers?
[16:41] <p01nt3r> Unit193, got any else idea for my nvidia-driver?
[16:44] <Unit193> (Additional Drivers isn't just a Ubuntu thing, it's for Lubuntu as well.)  I'd give a guess that you don't have header files.
[16:45] <Unit193> !info linux-headers-generic
[16:45] <Unit193> You have linux-libc-dev ?
[16:56] <Dalvini`> hello there
[16:56] <Dalvini`> I wonder if anyone can help me
[16:57] <Dalvini`> I incidentally removed the “shutdown” application from the bottom launchbar on my lubuntu
[16:57] <Dalvini`> and I can’t find a way to put it back :(
[17:31] <p01nt3r> Unit193, yes i have linux-libc-dev installed
[17:42] <p01nt3r> Unit193, http://postimg.org/image/cuom1wxbv/
[19:31] <melodie> salut
[19:31] <melodie> hello
[19:31] <melodie> has someone tried lxappearance in Raring? It seems not to work
[19:32] <melodie> any idea about it?
[21:37] <krismaguire> melodie: what sort of problems are you having?
[21:39] <melodie> hi krismaguire the problem is lxappearance just does not have any effect on the .gtkrc-2.0 file and on the .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini file
[21:39] <melodie> in Precise it works, it modifies both files even if I would want it to ask me which gtk theme I would like to change
[21:39] <melodie> I tried to use it to change the fonts, and nothing happened: in Raring
[21:41] <melodie> I use lxappearance out of the Lxde suite. (In Openbox standalone)
[21:41] <krismaguire> Not something I've come across or heard about so far.
[21:42] <krismaguire> phillw: Is this a known bug?
[21:44] <phillw> krismaguire: melodie I do not recall this, but I suggest asking on the mailing list as it has wider coverage.
[21:44] <melodie> sigh
[21:45] <melodie> I have not tried to start lxappearance from console yet, to see if something comes out
[21:45] <melodie> I'll try that before going to post to a mailing list
[21:46] <krismaguire> Let us know how it goes
[21:46] <phillw> melodie: have a look at bug 1062586
[21:47] <phillw> I found that on a quick search
[21:48] <krismaguire> melodie, phillw is a google-fu master
[21:50] <phillw> krismaguire: not really, I actually receive an email for every bug associated with lubuntu so can do a quick search of my e-mails. There are a couple of the QA team as well as the devs who do :)
[21:52] <phillw> the bug team are actually faster and better at finding reported bugs than I am :)
[21:52] <krismaguire> melodie: hope that answers your question, it seems it's a known bug and undoubdetdly will be getting worked on
[22:01] <melodie> phillw oh ok I look, thank you
[22:03] <phillw> we are all committed to keeping duplicate bug reports down and it's always worth asking before filing one.
[22:05] <melodie> It looks very much like my bug, so I'll add my feedback to the thread with my version and setup
[22:05] <melodie> I'll just login to the ubuntu version in the machine next to this one
[22:21] <phillw> melodie: thanks!
[22:21] <melodie> phillw krismaguire, done, I just added my comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxappearance/+bug/1062586/comments/6
[22:21] <melodie> phillw you got it instantly! amazing!
[22:22] <phillw> It will be arriving, I was otherwise engaged in my delayed answer to you.
[22:25] <krismaguire> Glad we got there in the end, hopefully it's fixed soon melodie
[22:25] <phillw> melodie: I will add it to the list of bugs to be discussed at the next monthly meeting. It has been languishing there and the head of dev for lubuntu has actually left a comment on there.
[22:25]  * phillw hates unloved bugs
[22:32] <melodie> phillw krismaguire while I'm here:
[22:33] <melodie> the keyboard configuration does not work either, so I added a desktop file with a command line to set it up with dpkg-reconfigure, in a spin I did
[22:33] <melodie> I think that must be lxkeyboard?
[22:33] <melodie> something of the like
[22:34] <phillw> melodie: I've asked the dev team as to where they are up to on said bug. From my not perfect memory, there is work going on in Saucy. If this gets worked out, then it can be SRU'd back to the earlier releases.
[22:35] <melodie> ok
[22:35] <melodie> very good
[22:36] <phillw> melodie: as you seem to be competent user, can I suggest that you give 13.10 a try so as to see what bugs are squished and which remain.
[22:36] <melodie> I am thinking about it
[22:37] <melodie> I intend to install Ubuntu Mini Remix Raring in a Ubuntu Builder built and then upgrade to saucy, then add my list of packages
[22:37] <melodie> that should work
[22:38] <melodie> unless there is a Lubuntu 13.10 daily I could download? Is there one?
[22:40] <phillw> melodie: have a look at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/ We hope that there is now enough information available in digestible bits (we hope). The pure lubuntu area is still at between https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/ I've still got to finish off linking in our lubuntu area into the new wiki structure on Activities.
[22:40] <phillw> melodie: there is indeed a daily for lubuntu :)
[22:41] <melodie> I'd prefer to get a daily
[22:41] <melodie> an alpha2 is behind the daily, is that right?
[22:42] <phillw> melodie: yes, the A2 was a milestone step. We are back to dailies... do take the time to learn about what zsync can do.
[22:43]  * phillw checjed and I had updated the lubuntu area to say we are back on dailies :)
[22:44] <melodie> I don't have a lubuntu that's recent, neither alpha nor daily
[22:44] <melodie> I 'm ok to learn what zsync can do for me, but what about me starting a wget right now ?
[22:45] <phillw> melodie: if you just install zsync it will do a wget for you (it will say it has nothing to reference against), it also then does an automatic md5 checksum for you, thus saving that step :)
[22:47] <melodie> how can zsync possibly know what I want?
[22:47] <phillw> if you ever have any questions, head over to #ubuntu-quality
[22:48] <melodie> here I am in an Archlinux box, and on the machine at my right it's Ubuntu Openbox Remix updated to Raring.
[22:48] <melodie> what arguments should I provide to zsync?
[22:49] <melodie> the one big question apart from that is: where are the lubuntu dailies ? :)
[22:49] <melodie> daylies
[22:49] <phillw> melodie: it does not, the 1st time. But if you then ask it to update an existing ISO, it will get on with the job, instead of having to download the entire ISO from scratch... think of it as an apdate for your ISO for if you want to test from install.
[22:50] <phillw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[22:51] <phillw> that is the area for everything ISO related, click on the CD icon and you will be given the methods of downloading.
[22:51] <melodie> great!
[22:52] <melodie> thank you very much!
[22:52] <melodie> I'll see what I can do tomorrow
[22:53] <phillw> melodie: do have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/ It has only recently been re-written and hopefully is easier to follow. Please do let me know how you find it.
[22:54] <melodie> phillw
[22:55] <melodie> "There are many different types of testing availible "
[22:55] <melodie> available
[22:55] <melodie> "to people interested in QA. "
[22:55] <melodie> newcomers might not know what QA is
[22:55] <melodie> explain in parenthesis ?
[22:57] <melodie> phillw
[22:57] <melodie> "The below link is more of a quick overview of the things mentioned in more detail on this page. "
[22:57] <melodie> making the sentence more simple would be nice
[22:58] <melodie> ie:
[22:58] <melodie> "the link below is a quick overview, then the rest of the page provides more details"
[22:59] <melodie> (this is a suggest, I'm not English native and the sentence on the page seems complicated to me)
[22:59] <melodie> phillw do you need more?
[23:02] <phillw> melodie: altered... As you may have guessed, I'm the chief editor for that new structure.
[23:03] <melodie> yes, you act in a very chief way, and I congratulate you for such a good work!
[23:03] <melodie> :)
[23:03] <melodie> I am the "mayor" of a virtual village on the web. Linuxvillage :)
[23:04] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org, fr and en, and http://forum.linuxvillage.net
[23:04] <melodie> fr and en too ! ^^
[23:07] <krismaguire> melodie: Nice forum, hope it works out
[23:07] <melodie> thanks krismaguire
[23:07] <melodie> yes it does work
[23:08] <melodie> we all like the friendly basis which leads the forum spirit
[23:08] <krismaguire> How long has it been around?
[23:09] <phillw> melodie: I'm the QA person for lubuntu, but as I am also a wiki editor; Nicholas (Head of QA for all everything) does ask me to do wiki stuff. That page had become like frankentiens' monster :D
[23:10] <melodie> oh so
[23:10] <melodie> phillw about virtual machines and testing...
[23:11] <phillw> melodie: I'm not familiar with SMF, I use phpBB
[23:11] <melodie> my companion has recently tested btrfs in his machines
[23:11] <melodie> I have not but, I have retained what he told me
[23:11] <melodie> he had never cloned a system so fast
[23:11] <melodie> and doing so many things with the partitions
[23:11] <melodie> you might want to try
[23:12] <melodie> I like phpbb, and I don't mind smf : as long as I don't have to do all the first configurations myself :D
[23:12] <melodie> which I didn't have to
[23:14] <phillw> I used to only use kvm for virtual machines, but there are some bugs in the GUI side of it. although I must say  that using Virtual Box is a complete pain on my link as it relies too much on graphivs which take for ever for to update on my remote machine.
[23:15] <krismaguire> phillw: you still on that 3 dongle?
[23:16] <phillw> krismaguire: niope, back on my ~500 Kb/s "broadband"
[23:16] <krismaguire> Oh wow, that's slow!
[23:17] <phillw> comes of living in lovely country side :)
[23:18] <krismaguire> There's more people in London than in my whole country you can't be that far away from civilisation! Lol
[23:19] <phillw> I'm too far away from an upgraded telephone 'box' and too far and remote for fibre optic / cable :)
[23:20] <krismaguire> Ah, I don't get fibre here or cable but I do live just across from the telephone exchange :)
[23:21] <phillw> lucky for some!
[23:22] <krismaguire> I still have 3 chasing me though!
[23:23] <phillw> 3 still works well for me :)
[23:24] <krismaguire> I told them where to go!
[23:26] <melodie> phillw what I am saying is that using a normal machine for tests is probably easier for someone who understands fast what he can get from a btrfs partition
[23:27] <phillw> melodie: btrfs is still 'dev' mode; much like ext4 was at the 11.10 was
[23:29] <phillw> melodie: do the btrfs team consider it stable enough to have it as the / partition (i.e. the boot sector)
[23:30] <melodie> I don't know about the btrfs team, what I can say is I saw my companion using it for a while without meeting with any glitch and testing several distros, cloning one to reinstall it elsewhere later...
[23:31] <melodie> I don't know more about it, except that as you say, it's provided as "dev" mode and not stable
[23:31] <melodie> s/companion/boy-friend/
[23:34] <phillw> yeah, until they are happy for it run as the boot area, ubuntu kernel will support it.
[23:35] <melodie> as the boot area?
[23:35] <melodie> I just finished reading the activity page in the wiki, I didn't find anything else to improve
[23:35] <melodie> maybe "thank-you" does not need a dash; that's all
[23:36] <melodie> I would like to ask a question to you
[23:36] <phillw> the /boot area contains the kernel, the initrmfs system etc.
[23:36] <melodie> I wonder if one day the dev team will consider restarting the development of the job-admin gtk gui which is the poorest of the known distros around
[23:37] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/jobservice/+bug/774206
[23:38] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jobs-admin/+bug/647314
[23:38] <phillw> melodie: I've never heard of it... So cannot really give an opinion.
[23:38] <melodie> the dev who worked on it a few years ago said he would provide new files
[23:39] <melodie> then in another related thread he said he lost all his upload! the server where he had it had disappeared
[23:39] <melodie> then at the end he said he'd come back to fix it, but never did
[23:39] <melodie> and it seems nobody took over
[23:41] <melodie> phillw if you know someone who could consider reading this, here is a summary of the whole story:
[23:41] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,297.msg2231.html#msg2231
[23:51] <god__> hi
[23:51] <melodie> hi
[23:52] <god__> how do remove icons on desktop in lubuntu?
[23:54] <god__> do i just delete ?
[23:56] <melodie> god__ you can delete, do you mean after install?
[23:56] <melodie> which version of lubuntu is that?
[23:56] <god__> lubuntu lxle
[23:56] <melodie> yes I know lubuntu is a lxde brand
[23:57] <melodie> which code name ? when has it been published?
[23:57] <god__> this is long term support
[23:57] <melodie> there is no lubuntu long term support for now
[23:57] <god__> lxle is the distro
[23:57] <melodie> and the 12.04 version had no icon on the desktop as default
[23:58] <melodie> I know because I asked gilir if lubuntu could add some later, and he said the lubuntu users generally don't want any
[23:58] <god__> the guys over @ lxle was no help
[23:58] <melodie> lxle is not a distro, LXDE is a Desktop Environment and Lubuntu is Ubuntu with LXDE
[23:58] <melodie> just remove icons by hand
[23:59] <melodie> right-click : remove
[23:59] <god__> lxle is on distrowatch
[23:59] <god__> ok i'll try
[23:59] <melodie> great, can you point me to the page?
[23:59] <god__> distrowatch.com search "lxle"