[00:01] <FreeNET> oki
[00:01] <FreeNET> buy all :)
[03:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> disregard the ops alert i triggered... the bot in question that i triggered it for left #ubuntu
[03:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> ... or not
[03:53] <gry> TheEvilPhoenix, which one?
[03:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> gry:  elky dealt with it
[03:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> but now there's new causes
[03:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> gry:  and elky has it under control
[03:59] <elky> TheEvilPhoenix, was there anything else?
[04:00] <IdleOne> TheEvilPhoenix: we appreciate your looking out :)
[06:04] <Tm_T> hi idefix, how can we help you?
[06:05] <idefix> hey, I thought I entered the offtopic room
[06:05] <idefix> good morning btw
[06:05] <idefix> it is nice and early in my country
[06:06] <idefix> have a nice day
[06:06] <idefix> why am I banned from #ubuntu-offtopic??
[06:07] <Tm_T> idefix: I'm currently trying to look at it
[06:07] <idefix> they kicked me temporarily as a warning yesterday
[06:07] <idefix> after that I behaved quite ok I believe
[06:11] <Tm_T> idefix: did you bring religion into the discussion after you were warned not to?
[06:29] <idefix> no, I'm quite sure I didn't
[06:29] <idefix> religion is always a difficult subject
[06:29] <idefix> many people are annoyed by it
[06:29] <idefix> Tm_T
[06:30] <Tm_T> idefix: hmmm, but to me it looks quite clear you did bring religion into the discussion just before you did quit
[06:30] <idefix> well, I said i was quite sure not 100% sure
[06:31] <idefix> yesterday evening I had bible study again
[06:31] <idefix> with whatever you are busy you talk about, that's just the way it is
[06:32] <Tm_T> idefix: unfortunately that's not what we can let happen when it violates our channel rules
[06:32] <Tm_T> you understand that?
[06:32] <idefix> so I'm not allowed to say one single word about religion!?
[06:32] <idefix> is there not a religious channel here somewhere?
[06:33] <Tm_T> idefix: you are expected to leave the matter when someone asks, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[06:33] <Tm_T> within reason ofcourse
[06:48] <idefix> anyway, you won't let me on so it's no use letting me read all that
[06:48] <idefix> Tm_T
[06:48] <Myrtti> idefix: we won't let you in if you've not read it
[06:48] <Myrtti> quite a pickle
[06:50] <Tm_T> idefix: I would have said "you won't be let in" already if it were that simple (:
[06:56] <idefix> oh, ok
[06:56] <idefix> I was just doing some chess studying
[06:56] <Tm_T> idefix: please concentrate on this matter
[06:59] <Myrtti> idefix: wakey wakey
[07:00] <Tm_T> idefix: as this discussion doesn't appear to be important to you right now, I have to ask you to come back when it is so it can be dealt with required attention
[07:02] <idefix> Our offtopic channels are designed to be places where people can be in company of others while talking about subjects that they enjoy.
[07:02] <idefix> I have read it
[07:02] <rww> did you read all of it
[07:03] <rww> !o4o
[07:03] <rww> seems to be relevant
[07:03] <Tm_T> idefix: you do understand why you are directed here and why we are having this conversation?
[07:03] <idefix> but still I'm quite sure I didn't talk about religion again after I was kicked.. are you sure that I did? do you have logs or something?
[07:04] <idefix> I think I understand
[07:04] <idefix> why I am directed heer
[07:04] <Tm_T> idefix: I am in the channel, so I see whatever happens there
[07:04] <idefix> it's a lot to remember
[07:04] <idefix> the one file on the website you sent me
[07:05] <idefix> I have an old brain in which it is difficult to retain all such information
[07:05] <Tm_T> idefix: if you cannot comprehend and stick with our rules, then unfortunately you are not let back to the channel
[07:06] <Tm_T> also, excuse that our (short) set of rules are lot to read to you while you are telling you're studying just doesn't fly
[07:07] <idefix> instead of telling somebody what all you're NOT supposed to do, can't you just tell them what TO DO!?
[07:07] <Tm_T> idefix: unfortunately that isn't possible
[07:07] <idefix> be a nice swell guy with optimistic news!
[07:08] <Myrtti> erh.
[07:08] <Myrtti> you know, if we'd make a list of things that would have everything that is allowed specified and listed, the list would be longer than the one that has things you're not supposed to do
[07:08] <idefix> do you know what's the difference between an optimist and a pessimist?
[07:08] <Myrtti> I fail to see how it would be easier for your old brain to retain it
[07:09] <idefix> my brain is not that old
[07:09] <idefix> ok, I'll list whatever I read
[07:09] <Tm_T> idefix: as you are not showing an interest to discuss this matter with the seriousness it requires, I have to ask you to come back when you are
[07:10] <Tm_T> no point continuing now
[07:10] <idefix> no reposting, no bot abuse
[07:10] <Myrtti> an optimist IRC operator assumes good faith and gives a repeat offender the benefit of doubt
[07:10] <Myrtti> a pessimist doesn't even negotiate, and bans
[07:10] <idefix> actually what they told me was: an optimist thinks we live in the most beautiful world there is and a pessimist is afraid that this is true
[07:11] <rww> I think our world is rather beautiful. Unfortunately, people keep trying to litter it with problematic things, and ignoring when they're asked to stop doing so.
[07:11] <Tm_T> idefix: you may leave this channel now and come back when you're ready to be serious with this matter
[07:28] <Myrtti> this is getting really old
[07:29] <jpds> некоторые люди.
[07:31] <elky> looks russian to me, jpds
[07:32] <elky> as in cyrillyc
[07:32] <elky> as in cyrillic*
[07:32] <jpds> elky: Reference to the nick above.
[07:32] <elky> yes, i saw. i don't understand why you spoke russian to us though :P
[07:51] <Myrtti> uhoh
[07:52] <idefix> I've tried seriously to read the IRC Guidelines and request re-entrance in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:53] <rww> did you succeed in the attempt?
[07:53] <idefix> many things are not allowed I didn't even know of you could do!
[07:53] <rww> some of our users are very resourceful, yes :(
[07:54] <idefix> I think it's all in my system now..
[07:55] <idefix> so this is like the lounge of operators?
[07:56] <rww> it's like an office
[07:56] <rww> anyways, do you understand all of our guidelines and agree to follow them all in the future?
[07:56] <idefix> yes!
[07:56] <rww> do you understand why you were forwarded here, or shall I go over that?
[07:57] <idefix> this is the place to unannoyingly be pointed out that you did wrong in the past
[07:57] <rww> I meant more along the lines of are we clear on what it is the ops team feels you did wrong :)
[07:58] <idefix> apparently I have talked about religion after I was kicked allthough I can't remember but I believe you if you say so
[07:59] <idefix> as they said at work: we promise that we'll go to church on Sunday and we won't discuss work, now you shut up about religion on this normal week day
[07:59] <rww> Alrighty. I've removed your ban in #ubuntu-offtopic. Please bear in mind our guidelines in the future, stop discussing a topic if asked to do so, and feel free to pop in here if you have questions :)
[07:59] <idefix> kewl!
[08:00] <idefix> ok now I remember it.. I said something about romans 6:23 just before leaving
[08:00]  * rww nods
[08:00] <idefix> what does this mean?  rww removes channel operator status from rww
[08:01] <rww> idefix: I'm a channel operator on #ubuntu-offtopic. On freenode, we generally don't stay "opped up" all the time for a variety of reasons, so we ask ChanServ for operator access when needed (e.g. to remove a ban) and then remove it from ourselves when we're done.
[08:01] <rww> you saw the last part of that.
[08:02] <idefix> and is ChanServ a bot or a person?
[08:02] <rww> ChanServ is a bot run by freenode
[09:01] <Myrtti> idefix: is there anything else we can help you with?
[10:21] <gry> MikeyADHD might sound slightly familiar to someone here
[10:22] <LjL> i don't know him, but he's not earning any points so far
[10:22] <gry> in the !ot channel now
[10:25] <Tm_T> ah, new nick
[11:09] <elky> !8ball
[11:09] <elky> !8-ball
[11:09] <elky> 8ball
[11:09] <ikonia> !9ball
[11:10] <elky> ikonia, KNUBBIG had an 8ball script going before, trying to check it's gone
[11:10] <ikonia> sorry, I thought we where playing pool
[11:10] <KNUBBIG> I'm sorry :(
[11:10] <elky> heh
[11:10] <KNUBBIG> didn't know it was running :(
[11:10] <elky> KNUBBIG, that's ok. I had to remove you because someone else was being silly with a bot and you were responding to them...
[11:11] <KNUBBIG> elky: okay, I unloaded it now. Sorry for that
[11:11] <elky> cool, wait while i find the ban to remove it
[11:11] <KNUBBIG> elky: thanks
[11:12] <elky> KNUBBIG, can you try rejoining #ubuntu now?
[11:12] <KNUBBIG> elky: works, thanks a lot
[11:12] <elky> excellent, thanks for understanding
[11:13] <KNUBBIG> elky: no problem, thanks for the notice and the fast help. Sorry for the disturbance :)
[11:13] <elky> always best to unload that stuff when you've finished playing. else we have several people responding to silly playing in the support channel ;)
[11:14] <KNUBBIG> :) yes, sorry. I once somehow put it in irssi's autorun and then forgot about it
[11:14] <elky> heh
[11:14] <KNUBBIG> but now it's gone from the autorun ;)
[11:14] <elky> anyway, if you're all happy now, there's no need to stay here. have a nice day :)
[11:15] <KNUBBIG> yes I know :) thank you for your help, and have a nice day, too. Byebye :)
[13:11] <h00k> why yes! I certainly do!
[13:17] <bazhang> * hook`<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[13:18] <IdleOne> !guidelines > DonaldStrachan
[13:20] <h00k> bazhang: I saw that, yeah...
[13:20] <h00k> I'm flattered.
[13:20] <bazhang> troll detected
[13:20] <h00k> Except I'm not really cool, so I don't know why someone would do that.
[13:20] <bazhang> probably just a coincidence
[13:21] <h00k> hopefully, or their judgement is quite bad :(
[13:22] <IdleOne> stop being so modest, you know you're a ROCK STAR.
[13:23] <h00k> yeah. totally. O.O
[13:23] <IdleOne> Can I haz your autograph?
[13:24]  * h00k breaks the tip of the pencil on purpose when writing
[13:24] <h00k> sorry, don't know what happened there...
 how do i run .msi file ?
[13:53] <bazhang> via wine?
[13:53] <Pici> yes.
[13:53] <IdleOne> doesn't mean it will work but yeah
[13:53] <Pici> steam :|
[13:53] <IdleOne> steam will install
[14:11] <popey> indeed
[14:11]  * popey installed it and portal, worked fine
[14:13] <ikonia> I wish I bought portal on the PC rather than the xbox, everyone I know bought it on the PC
[14:13] <Myrtti> damnit
[14:13] <Pici> ikonia: its free for a while
[14:13] <Myrtti> I knew I forgot to do something
[14:13] <Myrtti> portal was it
[14:16] <ikonia> portal 2 sorry
[14:17] <Tm_T> what, there's other games than nibble?
[14:18] <ikonia> snake and jet set willy
[14:18] <Pici> Chip's Challenge
[14:19] <h00k> moon-buggy
[14:19] <Tm_T> I heard a rumor that some japanese did a game about italian plumber, how odd subject, it can't be good
[14:25] <h00k> there's also one about this small mammal that runs quite fast, and has another friend that is a fox.
[14:25] <Tm_T> mammal?! heresy!
[14:27] <h00k> Of this type: http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyq2yz5HNM1qb5udjo1_400.jpg
 depends diapers due to irritable bowel syndrm starting at age 50 is a very serious offense against ubuntu
[14:34] <bazhang> that seems offtopic
[14:37] <Gredeu> $6,000,000
[14:37] <Gredeu> oops
[14:37] <Gredeu> -0
[14:37] <bazhang> ?
[14:37] <Gredeu> i shouldn't be banned from ubuntu-offtopic
[14:48] <h00k> what
[15:35] <mneptok> h00k: a friend had a pet hedgehog. they ... aren't really so interactive. more like having a mammalquarium.
[15:39] <h00k> mneptok: ah, that's too bad. Interactive pets are fun
[15:41] <mneptok> agreed.
[15:43]  * genii-around wings his pet rock at someone
[17:48] <h00k> another hit-and-run?
[17:49] <Pici> They're still there though
[17:49] <h00k> hit-and-idle
[17:54] <genii-around> Pici: I imagine you now as that hotel clerk who immediately pops up from under the counter when you hit the bell and goes: "Yess?"
[17:54] <h00k> Hah!
[17:54] <Pici> genii-around: I do tend to do that, don't I?
[17:55] <h00k> Marsha is back, I can watch while I'm on lunch here
[17:55] <Pici> I sent them a pm before I removed, no response.
[17:55] <genii-around> Pici: Heh, yup!
[19:41] <Pici> Whats with these drive-by-¡ops calls lately
[19:42] <jpds> I say that we all reply to them in channel to scare them off.
[19:44] <ikonia> it's not exactly a massive disruption is it, you look in and they have gone, you've wasted 5 seconds of my time
[19:46] <Pici> ...
[19:46] <jpds> Worked.
[20:15] <pythonsnake> Hi everyops
[20:15] <pythonsnake> Could I get unban for #ubuntu ?
[20:18] <h00k> @login
[20:18] <h00k> @btlogin
[20:19] <h00k> pythonsnake: hang a second, let me take a look
[20:20] <pythonsnake> ok
[20:22] <h00k> pythonsnake: Do you understand why you were removed and banned
[20:22] <pythonsnake> yes, for giving bad help
[20:23] <pythonsnake> and mocking
[20:23] <pythonsnake> I'm sorry
[20:26] <h00k> pythonsnake: Since it was just yesterday, I'm going to ask you to check back when ikonia is available to discuss it
[20:26] <h00k> pythonsnake: I would recommend waiting a few days before you check back.
[20:26] <h00k> pythonsnake: in the meantime, please read our guidelines
[20:26] <pythonsnake> meh, okay
[20:26] <h00k> !guidelines > pythonsnake
[20:26] <h00k> pythonsnake: and make sure you're familiar with our code of conduct in the Ubuntu channels
[20:26] <pythonsnake> Thanks
[20:27] <h00k> !coc > pythonsnake
[20:27] <pythonsnake> I find #ubuntu a bit rude..
[20:28] <h00k> pythonsnake: is there anything else I can help you with in here?
[20:29] <h00k> pythonsnake: I'm sorry you find it rude, but understand the massive amount of people in the channel, things like mocking aren't very constructive in the environment
[20:29] <h00k> pythonsnake: and giving bad advice or help to people can be quite damaging
[20:29] <IdleOne> funny, I asked you not to be rude in #ubuntu yesterday.
[20:30] <pythonsnake> IdleOne: lol
[20:30] <IdleOne> it isn't funny
[20:30] <pythonsnake> h00k: okay
[20:30] <pythonsnake> IdleOne: you just said it was funny
[20:31] <IdleOne> you claim that the channel is rude but you were the one being asked to be nicer.
[20:31] <IdleOne> anyway, I think h00k had the best idea when he said to take a few days.
[20:33] <h00k> pythonsnake: if you don't mind /part ing, and stopping back
[20:34] <h00k> as we have a no-idle policy.
[20:34] <pythonsnake> stopping back ?
[20:34] <h00k> pythonsnake: re-joining in a few days
[20:34] <pythonsnake> ok
[20:49] <rww> lies ^
[23:03] <rww> My professor just told class to use repositories instead of compiling software. <3
[23:03] <Corey> rww: Ooh. Which class is this?
[23:04] <IdleOne> Give that professor a cookie
[23:04] <IdleOne> give them a bag of cookies
[23:05] <PerfieM> Hi
[23:06] <gry> hi
[23:09] <IdleOne> Can we help you PerfieM ?
[23:10] <PerfieM> Oh wow, IdleOne, I had no idea you would be here
[23:10] <IdleOne> aren't I always?
[23:10] <PerfieM> I was gonna ask tho, is it too late to apologize?
[23:10] <Corey> PerfieM: This isn't a social channel, as you're well aware.
[23:10] <Corey> What can we do for you?
[23:10] <PerfieM> Corey: I'm have a mature conversation with IdleOne, please hold.
[23:10] <IdleOne> PerfieM: never to late to apologize, but the ban will not be removed.
[23:11] <PerfieM> IdleOne: Fair nuff, I'm sorry tho, I did want to become an op, but I was out of line when I called out rww for being a hater
[23:11] <IdleOne> heh, apology accepted.
[23:11] <IdleOne> anything else?
[23:11] <PerfieM> Excellent.
[23:12] <PerfieM> No, that is all.
[23:22] <rww> Corey: intro to Linux and systems programming
[23:26] <tonyyarusso> rww: Wait, there are professors who know what they're talking about?  Whoda thunk?
[23:27] <rww> tonyyarusso: I was surprised.
[23:27] <tonyyarusso> My professor last night spent like 20 minutes telling us about classy networks :(
[23:27] <rww> lol
[23:28] <tonyyarusso> it's like "Um, if I have a time machine, why do I need this class?"
[23:33] <rww> lies ^
[23:49] <Pici> meh


[09:29] <frojnd> has anyone had similar problem than me: I can't play vmw files with embedded mplayer plugin... what codecs do I need to install especially for mplayer to play vmw files?
[09:29] <bonbonthejon> !w32codecs
[09:29] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[09:29] <Ret1n4l> you may also find help at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:34] <jake_> hello again guys, since my comp is running slower in kubuntu im planning to install the lightweight version the xubuntu, but my cd reading is poor too, ive read through xubuntu website that its possible to install xubuntu if you're running kubuntu or ubuntu, my question nowthat it is possible to uninstall kubuntu after the installation?
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> jake_: xubuntu-desktop
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop in a konsole
[09:35] <me2win> jake_: if you download the package xubuntu-desktop, thatll do it for ya. Might wanna try regular ubuntu too before going all the way to xubuntu.
[09:36] <jake_> Admiral_Chicago: i mean is it possible to uninstall the kubuntu desktop after i install the xubuntu? beacause im running out of space
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> jake_: yup. sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[09:37] <gemidjy> in feisty, how do u enable/disable the new double click icon effect ?
[09:37] <jake_> ive tried to install ubuntu but it it didnt work, maybe my video card doesntfit
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> jake_: sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop is even better
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> gemidjy: not sure, try #ubuntu+1
[09:37] <gemidjy> Admiral_Chicago: thanks
[09:38] <jake_> Admiral_Chicago: but it only uninstalls kubuntu desktop how about the other apps?
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> jake_: its a meta package. it will do the other apps as well
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: No it wont
[09:39] <DaSkreech> aptitude will oh .. wait
[09:39] <DaSkreech>  just caught up :)
[09:39] <frojnd> how should I rename those 2 repos so I can update and get new packages: 1) deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main 2) deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ edgy-seveas list_of_sections
[09:39] <DaSkreech> jake_: You can try sudo aptitude remove kdelib4c2a
[09:39] <DaSkreech> that will blow away all of KDE
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: haha.
[09:40] <me2win> lol
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: have you tried sudo apt-get update
[09:40] <CShadowRun> anyone know of any virtual dvd drive software for linux?
[09:41] <frojnd> Admiral_Chicago: yes but there was an error
[09:41] <CShadowRun> so i can load a iso image like a normal cd (Virtual CloneDrive is a windows example)
[09:41] <jake_> Admiral_Chicago: ok thanx ill post it here ifi will succed, btw, if xubuntu is lights does it mean that u have a limited apps to use?
[09:41] <thomax> CShadowRun: mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.iso /mnt/isoimage
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> jake_: yes and no. you can use as little or as many apps you want. you can run amarok on xubuntu for example but its not installed
[09:41] <CShadowRun> [thomax-> thanks
[09:41] <jake_> or it runs exactlylike ubuntuor kubuntu?
[09:41] <thomax> CShadowRun: np
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> no installed by default*
[09:42] <frojnd> Admiral_Chicago: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8829/
[09:43] <jake_> Admiral_Chicago:"yes and no. you can use as little or as many apps you want. you can run amarok on xubuntu for example but its not installed" sorry i dont understand
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> jake_: that means you will start with a smaller base, but you can install programs on top of it.
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: looking now
[09:44] <me2win> jake_: you can run as many apps as you want with xubuntu, but by default not too many will come on it, to prevent people who have smaller hard drives from overloading witht hings they dont need. it has a smaller install base you can expand easier
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:45] <jake_> ah ok, thanx guys
[09:45] <frojnd> Admiral_Chicago: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8830/
[09:47] <Ret1n4l> ok. thanks for talking. I'll pass on the fix when I figure it out
[09:47] <Gh0st75> hi, what program do most folks use for their ipods in kubuntu?
[09:48] <crdlb> Gh0st75, amarok ?
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> what i would use
[09:48] <Gh0st75> thanks
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8831/\
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8831/
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> second one.
[09:49] <jake_> my machine laptop is DreamBook PIII 191 with savage mmx, does it fit with xubuntu?
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> then do sudo apt-get update
[09:49] <johey> How can I change the default web browser to Firefox?
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> yea. probably
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> johey: go to system setting >> default applications
[09:50] <sparrw> jake_: xubuntu should run on almost anything  :)  are you having problems?
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> then look at web browser and put this command firefox -remote "openURL(%u,new-tab)"
[09:50] <johey> Admiral_Chicago: Ah. Smart. :)
[09:50] <me2win> anybody know how i can set knetwork manager to remember my wpa keys so i dont have to reset them everytime
[09:51] <I_Eat_Plastic> Is it possible to reset your root password?
[09:51] <sparrw> I_Eat_Plastic: yes
[09:51] <jake_> no, im just planning to install xubuntu, im kubuntu now but my comp getting slower after a couple of hour
[09:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> sparrw: Please tell me how, I've just installed, and It seems the root pw is missing
[09:52] <frojnd> Admiral_Chicago: again some error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8832/ even though I tryed: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466  and than gpg --export --armor 1135D466 | sudo apt-key add - which is on official page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:52] <johey> Admiral_Chicago: Thanks alot! It works nice.
[09:52] <sparrw> I_Eat_Plastic: there is no root pw on normal kubuntu
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> johey: good
[09:52] <sparrw> I_Eat_Plastic: and there shouldnt ever be
[09:52] <jake_> sparrw:no, im just planning to install xubuntu, im running kubuntu now but my comp getting slower after a couple of hour
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: hmm, the repositories may be down
[09:52] <frojnd> ok I'll try another ones
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: wait nvm
[09:52] <sparrw> jake_: should work fine.  there are other window managers you could use as well, you dont have to switch to a different *ubuntu
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm a fool, forgot to do something
[09:53] <I_Eat_Plastic> sparrw: Well, i'm locked out of su. That's my real problem.
[09:53] <sparrw> I_Eat_Plastic: sudo -i
[09:53] <jake_> sparrw: what do youmean?
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: why are you using Seveas' repository (so i can put the right information)
[09:53] <frojnd> Admiral_Chicago: couse there are w32codecs
[09:54] <frojnd> couse, I can't play vmw files with mplayer embedded plugin
[09:54] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: kk sec
[09:54] <tjansson> Every time I upload anything in Firefox the filemanager shows all the hidden files which is very annoying -- how do I turn it off?
[09:54] <sparrw> jake_: replacing kubuntu-desktop with xubuntu-desktop really just changes the default window manager and desktop environment.  you can stop using kde without actually deleting it.  start up adept and install the "icewm" or "openbox" packages, then when you log in next time use the SESSIONS menu to pick the new wm
[09:55] <sparrw> jake_: there are official ubuntu "versions" for gnome, kde, and xfce.  but there are dozens of other window managers you can try without switching ubuntus
[09:55] <Sanne> tjansson: do you mean in Konqueror? Menu, View, Show Hidden Files, or F11
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8834/
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> that one
[09:56] <tjansson> Sanne: No in the filemanager which firefox uses - I guess it is nautilus eventhough I run kubuntu
[09:56] <jake_> sparrw: oh sorry, im new to linux world, now its clear, but how do get this WMs?
[09:56] <igorjr> !ati
[09:56] <Sanne> tjansson: the file open and save dialogs?
[09:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:57] <tuco> Guys something funny here. When I open Firefox or an application x, the icon in question appears in the window on the panel. But then it dissapears and I can't click on the icon again, even thougheverything that is still open shows up in the window!
[09:57] <tjansson> Sanne: yes exept that I noticed it when attaching files to an email on gmail
[09:57] <tuco> I want to have the icons again all fully displayed on the panel
[09:58] <Kurtber> I have just installed Kubuntu 6.06. Wireless Assistant finds my network, but can't connect to it, even though I have entered the correct key (I checked several times)...
[09:58] <frojnd> Admiral_Chicago: tnx
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> it work?
[09:58] <jake_> sparrw: after i installed those WMs where can i modifyit?
[09:59] <Gh0st75> hmm, amarok tells me the ipod is a read only file system
[09:59] <Sanne> tjansson: in the gnome file dialogs, try to right click in the file view area, there should be an option.
[09:59] <otranto00> sera
[09:59] <otranto00> qualcuno c'e'?
[10:00] <otranto00> per aiutarmi=
[10:00] <otranto00> =?
[10:00] <tuco> Anybody can help :-(?
[10:00] <tjansson> Sanne: great! that was it! :D thx alot - hope it will save the setting when closing :D
[10:00] <Sanne> tjansson: I'm using the firefox standard dialogs though, like them better.
[10:00] <otranto00> sorry
[10:00] <otranto00> for kubuntu italy?
[10:01] <sparrw> jake_: on the login screen, click 'sessions' (or 'options', i forget which) and youll see it
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> tuco: ask
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> !it
[10:01] <kwipper> I just got  kubuntu installed
[10:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:01] <tuco> I did Admiral :-)
[10:01] <tjansson> Sanne: how do you change them?
[10:01] <kwipper> What is the best way to install nvidia drivers?
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> oh, hmm, not sure how to help. just saw it
[10:02] <tuco> Cam I get help Admiral?
[10:02] <kwipper> Is it as simple as going to Nvidia's website, downloading the driver executable, clicking on it, then following the on-screen prompts to get everything set up?
[10:02] <tjansson> Sanne: and btw it did save the setting when restarting firefox
[10:02] <jake_> ok thanx brb
[10:02] <Sanne> tjansson: I'll guide you (I hope it works for you, I have the manually installed firefox from mozilla org). Type "about:config" in firefox location bar (no quotes)
[10:02] <surgy> i figured out my vnc problem, seams like kde had everything i needed preinstalled, i just had to check two boxes
[10:03] <eean> kwipper: I've never done it on kubuntu... but I'm sure if you google there's a step by step guide
[10:03] <tjansson> Sanne: great :D, what setting need to be altered?
[10:03] <surgy> !nvidia | kwipper
[10:03] <ubotu> kwipper: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:03] <tuco> I just can't get the icons on the panel back...they are in the small window but are not displayed along the panel anymore.
[10:03] <Sanne> type in the Filter line: platform_file_picker
[10:03] <surgy> kwipper just follow the how to and its easy
[10:04] <Sanne> tjansson: type in the Filter line: platform_file_picker
[10:04] <Sanne> tjansson: change Value to false
[10:04] <Sanne> tjansson: should work right away
[10:05] <tuco> damn it came back by itself...Huuuuh!
[10:05] <tjansson> Sanne: It did! that was great:D
[10:05] <kwipper> The instructions ask me for "Synaptic Package Manager"
[10:05] <kwipper> I don't have that application
[10:05] <surgy> kwipper use adept
[10:05] <surgy> kwipper: it does the sma ething
[10:05] <Sanne> tjansson: cool, eh? ;) I like that one better, but I must admit I do miss the bookmarks.
[10:06] <surgy> kwipper basicly you allready have the restricted modules unlocked so you can skip the part about the restricted repos
[10:07] <Kurtber> Where can I find a troubleshooting guide for network problems in Kubuntu?
[10:08] <sparrw> what other WMs can/do use KDE's menu files?
[10:09] <tjansson> Sanne: It is much prettier and fits KDE better
[10:09] <tjansson> :D
[10:09] <Sanne> tjansson: that's what I think also :)
[10:09] <I_Eat_Plastic> !avi
[10:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:10] <surgy> I_Eat_Plastic: nice nick
[10:10] <excitatory> is it possible (and if so, is it safe) to mount a folder on a second hard drive in /media.  for example, mount the 'audio' folder on /dev/hde1 to /media/audio.  and then maybe mounting /dev/hde1/video to /media/video.  or is this better achieved through symlinks.. or?
[10:10] <I_Eat_Plastic> surgy: Thank you. :]
[10:10] <surgy> excitatory: i think thats preference and doesnt matter either way
[10:11] <chavo> excitatory, you're going to have to use symlinks
[10:11] <Sanne> excitatory: I don't think you can mount folders. If you want to access a folder under another point in the file system, I would indeed use symlinks, I'll do that also for some folders.
[10:12] <_6StringKng_> so I changed resoultions when logged in as root, now my normal users resolution is crewed up and I cant change it back
[10:12] <_6StringKng_> screwed*
[10:13] <Kurtber> My network problem looks like this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wlassistant/+bug/64841,
[10:13] <Kurtber> But when I write "sudo ifup ra0" I'm only told "ifup: interface ra0 already  configured".
[10:13] <Kurtber> I still can't connect to my wireless network...
[10:13] <Kurtber> Can anyone help me?
[10:13] <surgy> !resolution
[10:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:13] <excitatory> surgy, chavo, Sanne, thank you.
[10:13] <surgy> excitatory: np
[10:13] <Sanne> excitatory: you're welcome :)
[10:17] <aztun> hi all
[10:18] <aztun> is there any place to sugges packages that Id like to be on repos on next release
[10:18] <aztun> ??
[10:18] <Kurtber> When I write "sudo dhclient ra0" I get "No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping"....
[10:18] <aztun> Kurtber, u are not conected to the lan or u have no dhcp on the lan
[10:19] <Lord_Maynoth> hey
[10:19] <jsteinman> Hi... I am new to Ubuntu... I just ran the upgrade on 6.10 now my linksys wireless card isn't being configured.
[10:19] <Lord_Maynoth> does anyone here know anything about kde-config
[10:19] <jsteinman> Anyone seen this?
[10:19] <Lord_Maynoth> 32bit?
[10:20] <jsteinman> 32bit yes
[10:21] <Lord_Maynoth> does your wireless card work on the livecd for 6.10?
[10:21] <jsteinman> Yes it did
[10:21] <Lord_Maynoth> weird
[10:21] <BluesKaj> !wireless | jsteinman
[10:21] <ubotu> jsteinman: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:21] <Kurtber> aztun: There is a green light on my wireless card, and I have entered the cards MAC-address to the MAC-filter on my router... In addition, wlassistant can find the network - only not connect to it...
[10:22] <one> jemand hier mit plan von ffmpeg-php ?
[10:22] <one> ;-)
[10:22] <aztun> so u want have an ip until u connect to the lan
[10:22] <aztun> try iwconfig on console
[10:23] <BluesKaj> !de | one
[10:23] <ubotu> one: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:24] <one> yo sry wrong channel ;-)
[10:24] <lol_h> ok guys, I have spent pretty much the entire day to try to fix my problem and can't find anything.  I have a Win2k machine as a client going with a crossover cable into my Ubuntu which is connected to my router.  Ubuntu machine can connect online, ping Win2k and Win2k can ping Ubuntu but can't go online, what do I have to do?
[10:24] <jsteinman> If I reboot to the older kernel version it still works.. <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:25] <Lord_Maynoth> sudo gcc_select 3.3  anyone know what that does?
[10:25] <jsteinman> On <IP_ADDRESS> it doesn't work
[10:26] <BluesKaj> lol_h, connect your Win2K pc to the router as well , don't bother with a crossover cable
[10:27] <Kurtber> When I write "iwconfig" I get "ra0    RT61 Wireless  ESSID: "togh" (...)" and a lot of information.. What am I looking for? :-p
[10:27] <lol_h> BluesKaj: that would be my first choice but I can't, it's physically impossible as the router is downstairs and my two machines are upstairs
[10:28] <lol_h> cable not long enough :(
[10:28] <Lord_Maynoth> jstein this is a long shot but have you thought about using a newer kernel?
[10:29] <Mr_Pan> i would like install a LAMP server on Kubuntu Feisty.. any suggestions?
[10:29] <Lord_Maynoth> I know my buddy made me a custom ubuntu iso with the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel and the new openoffice and gaim versions
[10:29] <BluesKaj> run DSL or cable , lol_h ?
[10:29] <Lord_Maynoth> it fixed a lot of issues
[10:29] <lol_h> DSL BluesKaj
[10:29] <cube> How do i get this Adiminstrator MODE off, Im tired of Typing my Pass already. tahnks
[10:29] <BluesKaj> do yo have a phone line nearby ?
[10:29] <lol_h> I feel like it could be something due to the Firewall or the ICS on Ubuntu but I'm not sure
[10:30] <lol_h> no
[10:30] <lol_h> hehe
[10:30] <BluesKaj> bummer
[10:30] <lol_h> I see you coming there
[10:30] <cpk1> !lamp | Mr_Pan
[10:30] <ubotu> Mr_Pan: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:30] <lol_h> :)
[10:31] <lol_h> !ics
[10:31] <erwin> http://www.drogendealer.de/cgi-bin/dd.cgi?z8nBe44s
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <Kurtber> aztun: When I write "iwconfig" I get "ra0    RT61 Wireless  ESSID: "togh" (...)" and a lot of information.. What am I looking for? :-p
[10:33] <cube> why kubuntu keeps on asking for Admin passwords, ? how can i take this off. is so annoying is liek vista
[10:33] <Lord_Maynoth> do you know what kcontrol is
[10:33] <Lord_Maynoth> does it contain kde-config?
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> it contains the old system configurations for KDe-
[10:34] <Admiral_Chicago> which some people seem to like more than the newer layout
[10:34] <mikejr> i'm having trouble getting bcm4318 wireless to work; running feisty
[10:34] <mikejr> keep getting "authentication completed messages" in dmesg
[10:34] <aztun> sorry Kurtber, cant explain full iwconfig
[10:35] <aztun> read manual, search google and try to understand
[10:35] <aztun> :)
[10:35] <Lord_Maynoth> admiral do you know how I can install kde-config on ubuntu?
[10:35] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure what that is
[10:35] <Lord_Maynoth> me neither
[10:35] <Lord_Maynoth> lol
[10:35] <BluesKaj> lol_h, I think the kubuntu pc has to be the internet server for the windows pc
[10:35] <Lord_Maynoth> im trying to compile a program
[10:35] <Kurtber> aztun: ok :-)
[10:35] <Lord_Maynoth> it says kde-config is missing
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> its not in the repositories?
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> what program is it?
[10:36] <cpk1> Kurtber: do iwlist ra0 scan and then use iwconfig to fill in the information for your cell
[10:36] <lol_h> that's what it is at the moment, I get the internet on the Kubuntu pc and I try to get my windows via the crossover
[10:36] <lol_h> BluesKaj:
[10:37] <cpk1> lol_h: you are trying to share the internet from your kubuntu pc to another pc?
[10:38] <aztun> Kurtber: u can try iwconfig ra0 essid youressid && iwconfig ra0 enc yourwepkey
[10:38] <BluesKaj> yeah but there's setup config in the windows pc that has to be run ...but I'm not familiar with W2K so...
[10:38] <aztun> if u use wep
[10:38] <eagles0513875> lol how bout just putting kubuntu on the other machine
[10:38] <cpk1> there isnt any setup you would need to run on windows if kubuntu is the host
[10:39] <lol_h> tell me more cpk1
[10:39] <eagles0513875> would he have to enable internet connection sharing on the windows machine like u do in xp
[10:39] <cpk1> no, you dont you can set up a dhcp server on kubuntu and bind is supposed to forward dns for you as well
[10:39] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:40] <lol_h> here is how it is: Internet <==> Kubuntu <= crossover cable => Windows2k
[10:40] <eagles0513875> lol blue do u have the dhcp setup as well as bind
[10:40] <Lord_Maynoth> ahh
[10:40] <Lord_Maynoth> the kde guys said I needed kdelibs
[10:40] <cube> Wow, i jsut isntalled kubuntu, and the audio player, amarok, doesnt play mp3....and that should be able to work, why it doesnt?
[10:40] <Lord_Maynoth> will that slow down my gnome more than usuall
[10:40] <lol_h> both machines can ping eachothers np
[10:40] <chavo> Lord_Maynoth, what are you trying to build?
[10:41] <cpk1> lol_h: yup should work fine you will need to set up a MASQUERADE rule for iptables and get dhcpd and bind and also change the contents of a file from 0 to 1
[10:41] <chavo> Lord_Maynoth, kdelibs won't get loaded until you run a kde program
[10:41] <cpk1> lol_h: hang on let me find you a walkthrough
[10:41] <Lord_Maynoth> ahh
[10:41] <Lord_Maynoth> ok
[10:41] <Lord_Maynoth> thanks
[10:41] <Lord_Maynoth> ktorrent 2.1.1
[10:41] <liquidat> Lord_Maynoth: If you have no idea of development libraries you most likely want to wait till the new package is released.
[10:42] <chavo> Lord_Maynoth, apt-get build-dep ktorrent will get you all you need to build it
[10:42] <Lord_Maynoth> oops
[10:42] <Lord_Maynoth> :c
[10:42] <cpk1> lol_h: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EasyWirelessToWiredConnectionSharing ignore the stuff about wireless and what not since i dont think that applies to you and change the name of your devices as needed
[10:42] <liquidat> chavo: But not the newest version, will it?
[10:43] <chavo> liquidat, well 2.1 comes with kubuntu so can't be a very lareg difference with 2.1.1
[10:43] <lol_h> thx a lot cpk1, I'll read that right now and try to set it up
[10:44] <SolidSource> anyone know how to allow network printing through guarddog?
[10:44] <chavo> the only differneces are bug fixes and UI changes
[10:44] <liquidat> chavo: Well, bugfixes mainly, and for me there was a file change (a lib file, ktorrent-2.1.so changed to ktorrent-2.1.1.so). But you do have to add the sources by hand, don't you?
[10:44] <Sanne> Lord_Maynoth: to compile a kde app, you will need the libs and also the corresponding *-dev packages (development files). I guess you need kdelibs4-dev. You can read about it and uit's dependencies here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/libdevel/kdelibs4-dev
[10:45] <chavo> I think he got hte sources from the website
[10:45] <SolidSource> !info guarddog >solidsource
[10:46] <SolidSource> !info iptables > solidsource
[10:46] <ahlalo_elyon> Hey, is it possible to disable my computer's reset button?
[10:46] <SolidSource> !iptables > solidsource
[10:46] <Lord_Maynoth> will it hurt anything just to install all the files that synaptic returns for kdelibs
[10:47] <cube> why CANT i play Mp3!? jesus,.. i cant believe this, if mp3 dont work for me with default, how am i supposed to do anything else
[10:47] <Lord_Maynoth> xmms?
[10:47] <crdlb> cube, wait till 2010 :D
[10:47] <SolidSource> cube: you have to install the codecs
[10:47] <crdlb> that's when the mp3 patent expires
[10:47] <Lord_Maynoth> woot
[10:47] <cube> ohhh
[10:47] <Lord_Maynoth> that will rock!
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> cube: mp3 is a patended format, legally Ubuntu can't ship with them.
[10:47] <Sanne> cube: mp3 is proprietary. Support can't egally be shipped with Kubuntu.
[10:48] <Sanne> :)
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> !repo
[10:48] <cube> ohhh ok, thank you for that, didnt konw that
[10:48] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:48] <Lord_Maynoth> I got my codecs installed for me via automatix2...
[10:48] <jhutchins_wk> !mp3 | cube
[10:48] <ubotu> cube: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:48] <Lord_Maynoth> it was nice
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> cube: look at that link, add universe && multiverse
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Lord_Maynoth: oh god no.
[10:48] <crdlb> lol
[10:48] <Lord_Maynoth> ?
[10:48] <ahlalo_elyon> !automatix | Lord_Maynoth
[10:48] <ubotu> Lord_Maynoth: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> breaks systems all day
[10:49] <posingaspopular> wizard: hey did you fix your box?
[10:49] <Lord_Maynoth> :c
[10:50] <ahlalo_elyon> Lord_Maynoth: Oh, and for the record, I believe that Feisty will install all those codecs by default (which it should if Ubuntu is supposed to be a system that "Just Works")
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> ahlalo_elyon: no. it will make it very easy to install them, but not by default
[10:50] <ahlalo_elyon> ...because most of the things I use a computer for did NOT work when I first installed Edgy... had to do so much extra stuff.
[10:50] <ahlalo_elyon> Admiral_Chicago: Well, I guess that is still a step in the right direction...
[10:51] <tarnold> Solidsource:  whats the command to get gaim?
[10:51] <jhutchins_wk> ahlalo_elyon: Again, this is because of licensing, not because of brokenness.
[10:51] <ahlalo_elyon> tarnold: sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:51] <Admiral_Chicago> imo, a step in the right direction is using free formats
[10:51] <tarnold> i ran aptitude update.... and then aptitude install gaim
[10:51] <ahlalo_elyon> jhutchins_wk: No, I understand that... I didn't say it was broken, just didn't work ;)
[10:52] <SolidSource> tarnold: to install anything with apt-get or aptitude you must use the sudo
[10:52] <ahlalo_elyon> Admiral_Chicago: Until the rest of the computer industry adopts "free" formats as the standard, that isn't a very viable solution to getting Linux into the mainstream, though.
[10:52] <tarnold> and got some install untrusted something or other, and hit yes, and got some error
[10:52] <tarnold> i ran it with sudo
[10:52] <tarnold> ill try it again
[10:52] <eagles0513875> anyone know how i can enable the mesa3d glx with my ati200m radeon xpress
[10:52] <jhutchins_wk> ahlalo_elyon: The thing is, if *ubuntu makes it too easy to install software that technically violates US law, then they open themselves to lawsuits.
[10:52] <eagles0513875> tarnold its sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:52] <Admiral_Chicago> either way, I can keep my system free. this is better for #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:52] <eagles0513875> anyone know how i can enable the mesa3d glx with my ati200m radeon xpress i have tried proprietary driver and it still didnt work
[10:53] <jhutchins_wk> ahlalo_elyon: As long as it takes a deliberate, informed effort by the end user, it's not as dangerous for them.
[10:53] <tarnold> what if i want to use aptitude? i like that
[10:53] <ahlalo_elyon> jhutchins_wk: I was unaware that MP3 was illegal on other systems...
[10:53] <SolidSource> tarnold: you can, does the same thing
[10:53] <tarnold> MP3's are illegal?
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> no, they are patented.
[10:53] <crdlb> eagles0513875, what is the chip name, like R500 ?
[10:53] <jhutchins_wk> ahlalo_elyon: It's not so much illegal, as it requires a paid-for license.  Microsoft recently lost a suit over it, even though they had a license from one patent owner.
[10:53] <eagles0513875> R480
[10:53] <ahlalo_elyon> Admiral_Chicago: Right, but if you look at all the Windows apps that play MP3 files, they didn't ALL purchase a license for it... or are they breaking the law?
[10:54] <crdlb> eagles0513875, afaik that is way too new for the free drivers
[10:54] <jhutchins_wk> A different company in the U.S. had other rights to it, they sued Microsoft and won.
[10:54] <Lord_Maynoth> that apt-get build-dep is handy!   I never new it could do that...
[10:54] <jhutchins_wk> ahlalo_elyon: Yeah, they all purchased a license.
[10:54] <tarnold> ok gaim worked
[10:54] <eagles0513875> how do i double check crdlb
[10:54] <crdlb> eagles0513875, R300 support is still beta
[10:54] <tarnold> wooot
[10:54] <eagles0513875> @)#*%7
[10:54] <eagles0513875> my laptop is ovr a yr old
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> ahlalo_elyon: windows came with an encoder that was illegal, had to pay a pretty penny for teh lawsuit
[10:54] <ahlalo_elyon> okay, yeah... this should be in #kubuntu-offtopic  I'm there if anyone cares to continue :)
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> decoder*
[10:54] <tarnold> now i connected to my wireless, but it didn't work, it said i had a connection but i had to jack a cable into it
[10:55] <Lord_Maynoth> do you think feisty will set up your secondary hard drive automatically instead of editing the fstab?
[10:55] <eagles0513875> how do i double check crdlb
[10:55] <crdlb> eagles0513875, it's listed here http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon
[10:55] <crdlb> eagles0513875, maybe it is supported
[10:55] <jhutchins_wk> Admiral_Chicago: Again, it wasn't illegal, it was just that their license from a Co. in Germany was rulled not to preclude the claim by a U.S. Co.
[10:55] <SolidSource> tarnold: if you are trying to use WPA...it won't work, though its supposed to work in feisty
[10:55] <Lord_Maynoth> I couldn't get it to work with ext3 so I had to go fat32 then use the diskmounter script
[10:55] <tarnold> nope WEP
[10:55] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[10:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i never said it was illegal. i said it was patented
[10:55] <eagles0513875> how do i check it in command line
[10:56] <eagles0513875> blues already tried binary
[10:56] <eagles0513875> didnt work
[10:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:56] <jhutchins_wk> [15:54]  <Admiral_Chicago> ahlalo_elyon: windows came with an encoder that was illegal,
[10:56] <tarnold> and i connected to my mates unsecured network, and it said I had a connection but nothing till i came down to plug it in
[10:56] <BluesKaj> no DRI , eagles0513875 ?
[10:56] <eagles0513875> i know mine supports it
[10:56] <Lord_Maynoth> here is a weird question... once I compile the source of a program how do I turn it into a deb for other people?
[10:56] <eagles0513875> i just need to know how to enable it
[10:56] <crdlb> eagles0513875,  glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"
[10:57] <jhutchins_wk> eagles0513875: What's crdlb?
[10:57] <eagles0513875> i know it says indirect but let me check again
[10:57] <SolidSource> tarnold: hmm, if only I could remember how I got my wireless working
[10:57] <crdlb> jhutchins_wk, what?
[10:57] <jhutchins_wk> Oh.
[10:57] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875,have you tried fgl_glxgears test in the term ?
[10:57] <jhutchins_wk> N'mind, misread something.
[10:57] <jhutchins_wk> crdlb: 'scuse.
[10:57] <eagles0513875> no and i will no says direct rendering is no
[10:58] <eagles0513875> how do i install the gears
[10:58] <crdlb> jhutchins, lol I see
[10:58] <crdlb> eagles0513875, just run glxgears
[10:58] <eagles0513875> they run flawlessly
[10:58] <goodseed> kubuntu pl ??
[10:58] <eagles0513875> wait
[10:58] <BluesKaj> well, that page worked for my xpress 200 ok ...had reboot to make it work .
[10:58] <eagles0513875> spoke to soon
[10:58] <goodseed> why # ?
[10:59] <eagles0513875> its really laggy
[10:59] <jhutchins_wk> !pl | goodseed
[10:59] <ubotu> goodseed: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:59] <crdlb> eagles0513875, I guess it's doing it off the cpu
[10:59] <eagles0513875> i got this message
[10:59] <eagles0513875> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown
[10:59] <eagles0513875> if the x died i wouldnt be on the desktop right now would i
[10:59] <jhutchins_wk> goodseed: The # indicates an officially affiliated support channel.
[10:59] <tarnold> solidsource: its why i still need windows, cos I can't get a constant wireless working in anywhere but my own home- and that before i went and reinstalled Kubuntu with larger partitions(and i don't know what i did, i just got ito to work)
[11:00] <eagles0513875> tar what kinda built in wifi u have
[11:01] <jhutchins_wk> tarnold: Wireless is very difficult to get working in OS software.  The card manufacturers are obliged to make it difficult for users to alter the frequency and power limits, and since OS software can by definition be changed...
[11:01] <eagles0513875> its a bitch to config my internal one
[11:01] <eagles0513875> i use a pcmcia one that works out of box
[11:01] <SolidSource> tarnold: I managed to get my wireless working flawlessly...but remember how....however better hardware support (especially wireless), I found that SuSE and Fedora did better
[11:01] <eagles0513875> crdlb what do u mean its doing it off the cpu
[11:01] <eagles0513875> suse didnt for me
[11:02] <jhutchins_wk> SuSE has deals with some propietary vendors.
[11:02] <crdlb> eagles0513875, opengl will render in software if hardware support isn't present
[11:02] <tarnold> solid source: so do you have SuSE?
[11:02] <eagles0513875> how do i enable hardware
[11:02] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, if you've upgraded any adept or synaptic repos , you may have in advertently restricted some of the fglrx modes
[11:02] <eagles0513875> interesting
[11:02] <tarnold> I've looked at other distros but am afraid of antying where i have to dl more then 1 disc
[11:02] <eagles0513875> crap
[11:02] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:02] <eagles0513875> how do i fix that blues
[11:02] <SolidSource> tarnold: I used it for a while, but I had wireless working in dapper no problem
[11:02] <tarnold> solidsource: its what attracted me to kubuntu
[11:02] <jhutchins_wk> eagles0513875: Generally speaking you use modprobe to insert the driver into the kernel, this usually enables the hardware.
[11:03] <eagles0513875> any step by steps
[11:03] <BluesKaj> go back to the page and start again, that's the only way i know how to fix it :(
[11:03] <eagles0513875> go back to what pg
[11:03] <jhutchins_wk> tarnold: Three disks is pretty standard these days, or two plus i18n.
[11:03] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[11:03] <crdlb> eagles0513875, I think you need to use ati's proprietary driver
[11:04] <tarnold> Jhutchins_wk: oh
[11:04] <jhutchins_wk> tarnold: Single-disk installers just download from the web.
[11:04] <crdlb> eagles0513875, have you read http://www.ensode.net/ati_radeon_xpress_200m_linux.html ?
[11:04] <BluesKaj> he will if he follows the instructions on the page
[11:04] <eagles0513875> i tried that yet it still didnt work
[11:04] <tarnold> Jhutchins_wk: i was looking at either FreeBSD, or Open SuSE but i know nothing about them, not that i know anything bout kubuntu
[11:05] <jhutchins_wk> tarnold: Take a look at Mandriva too, they're doing pretty well right now.  Excellent package availability, good stability and hardware support.
[11:05] <eagles0513875> u hit it right on the nail for me crdlb
[11:05] <eagles0513875> i think i figured out the problem
[11:06] <eagles0513875> crdlb to bad we couldnt give out any rep points u woudl get 10 from me
[11:06] <surgy> how do i mount a floppy disk?
[11:06] <SolidSource> floppies still exist?
[11:06] <surgy> yea
[11:06] <surgy> my mom had the bright idea of using one
[11:07] <eagles0513875> try sudo /media/fda
[11:07] <eagles0513875> try that surgy
[11:07] <SolidSource> floppies...I remember using them when I was 5
[11:07] <eagles0513875> lol ya same when i was in elementary school
[11:08] <SolidSource> even remember the 4 inch floppies....I miss my commador 64
[11:08] <Sanne> surgy: try first without sudo - I can mount my floppy as user
[11:09] <eagles0513875> !fr
[11:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:09] <eagles0513875> !mt
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <eagles0513875> !maltese\
[11:09] <surgy> sudo: /media/fda comand not found
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about maltese\ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <eagles0513875> !maltese
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about maltese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <Sanne> surgy: can you paste your /etc/fstab to the pastebin?
[11:09] <surgy> give me a sec
[11:10] <BluesKaj> !ma
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <surgy> my mind went blank..... fstab is in /etc/X11   ?
[11:11] <Sanne> surgy: no, just /etc/fstab
[11:11] <surgy> ahh ok
[11:11] <tarnold> ok riht so anyone have an idea on whyy a wireless would show connectivity and signal strength but I can't do anything?
[11:12] <surgy> thats a no go on the fstab but she only has one floppy drive and its ide so it should be name fda?
[11:12] <Kurtber> aztun: Sorry, I didn't see your message before now...  I tried it, and it seems nothing happened... I think... There were no messages in Konsole, and I still can't visit google.com in Konqueror...
[11:13] <eagles0513875> tar u probably dont have gateway
[11:13] <devildog> how do i register a nick on here?
[11:13] <aztun> Kurtber: u should look if iwconfig says its connected or not
[11:13] <Admiral_Chicago> !register
[11:13] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:13] <devildog> thank you :)
[11:13] <aztun> just iwconfig ra0
[11:14] <Sanne> surgy: no, usually the device is /dev/fd0. You need to have a fstab in /etc ;). Let's look at the line for the floppy in there, so we can see how you can mount it.
[11:14] <surgy> sanne: i have an fstab but im doing this via vnc so i dont have the option of looking at the fstab
[11:14] <CShadowRun> uhh, kubuntu has decided it doesn't like the internet anymore
[11:15] <CShadowRun> its just on a standard network cable to my router, and its allways worked
[11:15] <Sanne> surgy: ah! Can you try at the command line: less /etc/fstab?
[11:15] <CShadowRun> what can i do? :(
[11:15] <surgy> sanne can i not just sudo mount -a ?
[11:16] <Sanne> surgy: if it's default and like Dapper, you should be able to do: mount /dev/fd0 or mount /media/floppy
[11:16] <kubuntu_alex> hei
[11:16] <kubuntu_alex> hello
[11:16] <kubuntu_alex> i need help
[11:16] <surgy> fstab line for floppy: /dev/ /media/floppy0 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[11:17] <eagles0513875> brb comp restart
[11:17] <Kurtber> aztun: It says "ra0  - RT61 Wireless  - ESSID: "togh"   (...)    Mode: Managed   -   Channel:11   -    Access Point: xx:xx:xx:xx(..)   ---  Bit Rate:1Mb/s  (...) Link Quality:89/70", and a lot more... To me it looks like it is connected, but I don't know...
[11:17] <Lord_Maynoth> does anyone know anything about unsermake or makeobj
[11:18] <Lord_Maynoth> I finished ./configure
[11:18] <Sanne> surgy: looks like as a user you can mount it. Try my suggestions, mount /dev/fd0 or /media/floppy or /media/floppy0
[11:18] <Lord_Maynoth> but when I do make it craps out and says to use unsermake or makeobj
[11:18] <SolidSource> is there no way to get thunderbird to run in the systemtray?
[11:18] <kubuntu_alex> can som one help me with kubuntu? my screen goes black when i start kubuntu
[11:18] <surgy> sanne:
[11:18] <surgy> sam@samantha:~$ sudo mount /media/floppy
[11:18] <surgy> mount: /dev/ is not a block device
[11:18] <slow-motion> n8
[11:18] <Sanne> surgy: ok, the fstab entry is borked
[11:19] <surgy> sanne so?
[11:19] <Sanne> surgy: I thought it was a typo, the first word "/dev/"
[11:19] <surgy> so i need to get rid of it?
[11:19] <Sanne> surgy: /dev is the folder for all the devices, it should be /dev/fd0 (at least if it's the same as my dapper)
[11:19] <MonkeySugah> hey room!'
[11:20] <MonkeySugah> I'm new here.. How are you all today>
[11:20] <surgy> sanne: wo what do i need to change?
[11:20] <chavo> great!
[11:20] <eagles0513875> whats the command line to run the gears again
[11:20] <CelestialDog> hi monkey :)
[11:20] <MonkeySugah> hi celestial, how are ya?
[11:20] <Sanne> surgy: change the first word "/dev/" to "/dev/fd0" (no quotes)
[11:20] <CelestialDog> glxgears i think
[11:20] <joel> CShadowRun: For increasing your chances, elaborate a bit what you mean by it "not like[s]  internet" anymore.
[11:20] <eagles0513875> ok ty
[11:21] <CelestialDog> not bad monkey hows yourself ?
[11:21] <CShadowRun> well i can't do a update, i can't visit websites on google
[11:21] <CShadowRun> i mean firefox
[11:21] <CShadowRun> and i can't use konquerer either, looks like the connection is completely down :(
[11:21] <joel> CShadowRun: Have you tried System settings --> Network Settings?
[11:21] <CShadowRun> its not a DNS problem, i know the routers working or else i wouldn't be talking ;p
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> CShadowRun: not completely if your on IRC
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[11:22] <tarnold> hey i was reading a book bout KDE 3.3 and whats kpersonalizer and is it sitll in 3.5?
[11:22] <MonkeySugah> i'm hangin in there.. tryin to get by.. this computer prog is very new to me..
[11:22] <CShadowRun> im on a diffrent machine here
[11:22] <CShadowRun> using my laptop to talk now :)
[11:22] <eagles0513875> ull love it monkey
[11:22] <joel> CShadowRun: Ah, driver or hardware error?
[11:22] <chavo> tarnold, it's there but disabled in kubuntu
[11:22] <CelestialDog> monkey you'll get the hang of it :)
[11:22] <MonkeySugah> yeah.. it's way difrent to say the least hah
[11:22] <tarnold> how, how come?
[11:22] <chavo> tarnold, the kubuntu-defaulk-settings is used instead
[11:22] <tarnold> ho*
[11:22] <surgy> Sanne: now it just hangs
[11:23] <CShadowRun> i doubt its a driver problem, because its been working for the past 5 days without a problem. its just a standard network card ubuntu picked it up automatically
[11:23] <chavo> kubuntu-default-settings
[11:23] <Sanne> surgy: after the mount command?
[11:23] <chavo> tarnold, so all the kubuntu desktops look alike by default
[11:23] <surgy> Sanne: yeah the cursor just moves down a line and does nothing
[11:23] <tarnold> chavo: so if its disabled, does that mean i can reenable it?
[11:23] <surgy> i typed: sudo mount /media/floppy0      i also tried floppy
[11:24] <Sanne> surgy: di it return to the prompt? Maybe it just got mounted? Can you type "mount"?
[11:24] <joel> CShadowRun: Well... for the most basic, 1) does it register in dmesg, 2) does the LED power up on both devices?
[11:24] <chavo> tarnold, you can jsut run kpersonalizer from the command line or do you want to enable it for new users as well/
[11:24] <surgy> Sanne: thats what i mean by "it hanged" it moved down a line and no prompt just stuck
[11:24] <tarnold> nope, just me
[11:24] <MonkeySugah> anyone know if the myspace im thing works with ubuntu ?
[11:24] <CShadowRun> [joel-> yea the LED shows up on the comp and the router, dunno what dmesg is
[11:24] <tarnold> chavo: how would i run it for just me then?
[11:24] <Sanne> surgy: ok. Hmmm. Is there a floppy in the drive?
[11:24] <chavo> sure
[11:25] <CShadowRun> in the network settings it says "eth0 | dhcp | Enabled Ethernet Network Device"
[11:25] <CelestialDog> i cant say monkey never heard of it
[11:25] <joel> CShadowRun: type it on a terminal, it shows kernel bootup messages.
[11:25] <joel> !dmesg
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmesg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <MonkeySugah> oh. well thanks
[11:25] <joel> Thanks ubotu
[11:25] <chavo> tarnold, hmm looks like they removed it altogether
[11:26] <CShadowRun> woa theres a hell of alot of stuff here
[11:26] <tarnold> oh
[11:26] <tarnold> damn
[11:26] <CShadowRun> it says "eth0: no IPv6 routers present"
[11:26] <CShadowRun> along with alot of other stuff
[11:26] <chavo> it's nothing that can't be accomplished with system settings or kcontrol tho
[11:26] <MonkeySugah> what about the limewire for linux? last time i had problems, it it working for any of you?
[11:26] <tarnold> chavo: how
[11:26] <tarnold> chavo: oh
[11:26] <joel> CShadowRun: Ignore that IPv6, should be normal if you dont have it.
[11:26] <Kurtber> aztun: Thank you for helping, but I have got to go to bed (getting up early in the morning) - I left a question on http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080503.0, with all the information I could think of putting in it (:-)) -- So if you have an idea, please answer me there -- But thank you for helping so far!
[11:27] <tarnold> chavo: ok ill mess around wiht it
[11:27] <joel> CShadowRun: try: ifconfig
[11:27] <joel> It should show at least two interfaces.
[11:27] <chavo> tarnold, looks like kpersonalizer is in the repos, just not installed you can apt-get install it
[11:27] <CelestialDog> i haven't tried it on this install monkey but last time limewire worked fine for me
[11:27] <tarnold> ok
[11:27] <tarnold> hanx
[11:27] <CShadowRun> it shows 2 paragraphs full of info, eth0 is the top one and it says there are no errors
[11:27] <Sanne> surgy: I just mounted a floppy successfully here with "mount /media/floppy"
[11:27] <chavo> all it does is ask a couple of question about look and feel for your desktop
[11:28] <MonkeySugah> ok. i'll have to try again
[11:28] <CShadowRun> the other one below that is called 'lo'
[11:28] <surgy> Sanne: thnx a million man its fixed now
[11:28] <Sanne> surgy: how did you do it?
[11:28] <joel> CShadowRun: that's your localhost, ip <IP_ADDRESS> or something similar.
[11:28] <CShadowRun> yea it is
[11:29] <surgy> Sanne: just switched the disk to write protection, copied everything off of it and threw it away
[11:29] <Sanne> surgy: (and next time cally me "lady" not man ;)
[11:29] <Sanne> lol
[11:29] <surgy> Sanne: my bad thank you ma lady
[11:29] <CShadowRun> so the eth0 is there in the list, the lights are on on the pc and on the router...hmm?
[11:29] <Sanne> surgy: you're welcome :)
[11:29] <joel> CShadowRun: Is the IP numbers like adress  and netmask ok for the first one?
[11:29] <MonkeySugah> when i try to open it i get "could not open limewire.linux.rpm, archive type not supported"
[11:30] <CShadowRun> not sure
[11:30] <CShadowRun> it just shows alot of hex i think its a mac address, makes no sense to me
[11:30] <CShadowRun> looks like it hasn't got a ip address
[11:31] <joel> CShadowRun: So you use dhcp?
[11:32] <CShadowRun> hmm, im not really sure i just bought my router put in the user and password and hit go lol
[11:32] <CShadowRun> plugged all my hardware into it and it worked fine untill today :(
[11:32] <eagles0513875> this is what i get when i run glxgears now
[11:32] <eagles0513875> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:33] <CShadowRun> i'll pop into windows to see if i can connect in windows, then we can say if its something wrong with kubuntu or my router :P
[11:33] <tarnold_> testing testing, can you see this?
[11:34] <joel> CShadowRun: If you have not decided to use a certain ip adress (static ip adress) you by 99.9% chance use dynamic ip adress. (dynamichostcontolprotocol...oryadadya)
[11:34] <joel> CShadowRun: Okay, that could be a good idea, routers die now and then.
[11:34] <Lord_Maynoth> does this make sense to anyone? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8849/
[11:35] <joel> Especially certain home class cheap. ^_^ (I have one)
[11:35] <gemidjy_> adding printer shows empty list for both model and manufacturer selections: take a look at this (I ask the same question here and on #kubuntu, sorry): http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4126/pnternf0.png
[11:35] <Sanne> Lord_Maynoth: just type "make" without sudo
[11:35] <CShadowRun> yea, my router doesn't have a option to use a static ip address. its a belkin :(
[11:36] <CShadowRun> you have to force a ip address in the network settings in windows (dunno how to do it in linux yet)
[11:36] <eagles0513875> this is what i get when i run glxgears nowXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:36] <Lord_Maynoth> Sanne, tried that first same error
[11:36] <eagles0513875> this is what i get when i run glxgears now Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:36] <joel> Lord_Maynoth: Why do you need to run make as root (if I understood correctly)
[11:37] <Lord_Maynoth> joel, I tried it as just make first same error
[11:37] <kubuntu_alex> somne one here who has problem with ATI graphic card on ubuntu?
[11:37] <CelestialDog> i had a problem with my ati but got it fixed
[11:38] <Sanne> Lord_Maynoth: then I don't know, sorry. It's something specific to this compilation. Try to find info on compile in some readme files that came with the sources, or on the website perhaps. should be documented somewhere.
[11:38] <eagles0513875> what u do celestial
[11:38] <CShadowRun> lol going back to windows just feels wrong after using linux for 5 days (its ugly...)
[11:38] <joel> CShadowRun: Try System settings --> Network Settings.              There you can set ip adresses.
[11:38] <Lord_Maynoth> thanks
[11:38] <chavo> Lord_Maynoth, apt-get install unsermake
[11:38] <joel> CShadowRun: Forcing ip adress sounds very much like static to me!
[11:38] <Lord_Maynoth> chavo, thank you
[11:38] <CShadowRun> hehe, the router gives out dynamic unless you specify in network settings otherwise
[11:39] <Sanne> chavo: ha, that simple. Should have thought about that ;)
[11:39] <tarnold__> hello?
[11:39] <CelestialDog> followed this tutorial http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[11:39] <chavo> then you can run either make or unsermake
[11:39] <SolidSource> !scanner > solidsource
[11:39] <yacoob> Hi folks.
[11:40] <yacoob> Are there any problems with fglrx? My system freezes when I try to shutdown.
[11:40] <joel> Lord_Maynoth: It says unsermake, some KDE specific make utility i think.
[11:40] <Lord_Maynoth> im installing now
[11:40] <joel> Hi tarnold__
[11:40] <Lord_Maynoth> hopefully that till fix it
[11:41] <CelestialDog> after freshly installing kubuntu i followed the tutorial i just posted and my ati card works fine
[11:41] <CShadowRun> looks like windows is connected, guess i'll go poke around in the network settings and see what i can find.
[11:41] <coreymon77> hi guys
[11:41] <CelestialDog> complete with direct rendering of opengl apps
[11:41] <eagles0513875> ?
[11:42] <yacoob> ah, bug 30447...
[11:42] <coreymon77> my partitions have messed up superblocks
[11:42] <coreymon77> how do i fix them
[11:42] <eagles0513875> ahhh how do i fix the missing free86dri
[11:43] <joel> CShadowRun: Try System settings --> Network Settings.              There you can set ip adresses.
[11:43] <eagles0513875> could it be that my graphics card is too new even though its 1 yr old
[11:43] <CShadowRun> yea i was about to head there, just rebooting thanks :P
[11:43] <coreymon77> all i want to do is mount the partitions and get some stuff off of them
[11:43] <joel> Okay, just making sure you got it ;)
[11:43] <eagles0513875> corey
[11:43] <CelestialDog> what card you using eagles ? mine is a x1650
[11:43] <eagles0513875> what kinda partitions r they
[11:43] <coreymon77> there is some really important stuff that i want to put onto a cd
[11:43] <coreymon77> then ill reinstall
[11:43] <eagles0513875> mine is a radeon 200m
[11:43] <eagles0513875> corey what partition format r they
[11:44] <eagles0513875> r they ntfs
[11:44] <CShadowRun> ok uhh guess linux was having a funny day
[11:44] <CShadowRun> booted linux and it just worked straight off
[11:44] <CelestialDog> eagles you using the driver from the ati site or the one through package manager?
[11:44] <gemidjy> solved
[11:44] <STRAMONIUM> haha funny dayz r linux's specialty
[11:44] <CShadowRun> thanks [joel]  :)
[11:44] <coreymon77> eagles0512875: no, i dont really know what they are
[11:45] <eagles0513875> do u have an os on those partitions
[11:45] <tarnold_> oi whats teh equivelent for times new roman?
[11:45] <coreymon77> im on the kubuntu channel arent i
[11:45] <coreymon77> look
[11:45] <STRAMONIUM> haha
[11:45] <eagles0513875> ya
 im on the kubuntu channel arent i
[11:45] <coreymon77> the only reason im using doze right now is because i cannot boot kubuntu right now
[11:46] <joel> CShadowRun: Could be that the router was confused. :) *shrugs*
[11:46] <Sanne> tarnold_: you can have time new roman, if you want.
[11:46] <eagles0513875> oh so its probably ext or reiserf
[11:46] <coreymon77> prob reiser
[11:46] <joel> Or or! Static in the wires!
[11:46] <CShadowRun> maybe, it does get confused sometimes. its not the most stable peice of kit in the world :)
[11:46] <coreymon77> through various programs and such
[11:46] <Lord_Maynoth> what do you guys think about ext4 will it be default in feisty?
[11:46] <joel> :)
[11:46] <coreymon77> i have found out that the data that i want is still on the drive
[11:46] <coreymon77> and is unharmed
[11:46] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth: What's wrong with ext3?
[11:46] <coreymon77> the only problem is getting to it
[11:47] <eagles0513875> its rather fast
[11:47] <eagles0513875> i have it on here right now
[11:47] <eagles0513875> y is it that kubuntu doesnt give reiser as an option
[11:47] <Lord_Maynoth> nothing... I am just wondering if ext4 will be in feisty :D
[11:47] <tarnold_> oh
[11:47] <tarnold_> cool
[11:47] <Sanne> tarnold_: if you want it, you can install the package msttcorefonts. You need multiverse enabled.
[11:48] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Reiser's udergone some controversy, I believe the current developer is in jail, and he has said that he doesn't recommend using reiserfs.
[11:48] <tarnold_> ive got that i think, what is msttcorefonts?
[11:48] <tarnold_> what is Reiserfs?
[11:48] <joel> microsoft truetype corefonts  I'd say.
[11:48] <eagles0513875> then did i make a good choice with using ext3
[11:49] <Lord_Maynoth> didn't he kill his wife or something
[11:49] <eagles0513875> is ext3 a good alternative to resierf
[11:49] <joel> tarnold_ (reiserfs is a file system)
[11:49] <Sanne> tarnold_: msttcorefonts is a script that will download some microsoft fonts like times new roman, arial, verdana, and also will get the necessary extracting utility for cabfiles, extract the fonts and install them to your system :)
[11:50] <jhutchins> tarnold_: It's a journaling filesystem that pre-dates ext journalling.
[11:50] <tarnold_> ok, how do i install it to the s?
[11:50] <tarnold_> gah
[11:50] <tarnold_> i hate laptop touch pads
[11:50] <jhutchins> tarnold_: When ext added journaling for ext3, reiser was pretty much redundant.
[11:50] <Sanne> tarnold_: it's prevented by the license of those fonts that ubuntu ships them directly, but it's legal to do it this way.
[11:50] <tarnold_> ok
[11:50] <tarnold_> ace
[11:51] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: As above to tarnold, yeah, ext3 is a good choice.
[11:51] <Sanne> tarnold_: especially if you like to have your screen fonts non-antialiased, arial is very nice for that.
[11:51] <eagles0513875> good
[11:51] <jhutchins> It should also be possible to use any fonts you have installed in Windows on a dual-boot machine.
[11:51] <tarnold_> next item on the agenda is how do I  play music:  the first time I installed Kubuntu i got GNOME and used some player, but now im not doing it on htis clean fresh install withe verrything working...
[11:51] <joel> Lord_Maynoth: Looked pretty messed up last time I checked it up. :s
[11:52] <Lord_Maynoth> hehe
[11:52] <Lord_Maynoth> yeah
[11:52] <tarnold_> so with that inmind(speaking of dual boots) my music is on my C drive and I want to play it, is amarok the best or is there a different KDE app?
[11:52] <jhutchins> !mp3 | tarnold_
[11:52] <ubotu> tarnold_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:52] <Lord_Maynoth> I can't wait to move to canada
[11:52] <eagles0513875> j i have dual boot but windows fonts not showing on here
[11:52] <Lord_Maynoth> I am so sick of the US
[11:52] <Lord_Maynoth> LOL
[11:52] <tarnold_> so with that inmind(speaking of dual boots) my music is on my C drive and I want to play it, is amarok the best or is there a different KDE app?
[11:52] <tarnold_> sorry
[11:53] <tarnold_> bout the double post
[11:53] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Use the font configuration utility to import them - should be an option button.
[11:53] <kubuntu_alex> somne one here who has problem with ATI graphic card on ubuntu?
[11:53] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:53] <kubuntu_alex> can somone help me?
[11:53] <eagles0513875> tarnold
[11:53] <jhutchins> tarnold_: Amarok is a combination collection manager/player.  A bit heavy, but does nice work.
[11:54] <jhutchins> !ati | kubuntu_alex
[11:54] <ubotu> kubuntu_alex: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:54] <eagles0513875> agreed u should be able to play stuff from ur win partition in amarok with some tweaking of settings
[11:54] <kubuntu_alex> thanks
[11:54] <jhutchins> kubuntu_alex: Hope it helps, it's hard to catch someone with your exact card on here.
[11:55] <tarnold_> Jhutchins: heavy as in how?
[11:55] <igorjr> hi
[11:55] <SolidSource> to access windows partition...all you have to do is mount the NTFS partition and then add it into amaroks collection or just use amaroks file browsing
[11:56] <tarnold_> solidSource: thanks
[11:56] <eagles0513875> tar u want to transfer things ovr from ntfs to linux partition
[11:56] <igorjr> i manually installed the drivers, ubotu reconned me
[11:56] <SolidSource> (merely 1 example
[11:56] <igorjr> and my performance went down as hell
[11:56] <jhutchins> tarnold_: It can use up some system resources, especially when scanning the collection, it creates a database on the disk, but for what it does it's very good.  I really like it's Radom Play capability.
[11:56] <igorjr> i got an ati-radeon
[11:56] <tarnold_> ah ok
[11:56] <igorjr> i wondered if i did something wrong
[11:57] <kubuntu_alex> jhutchins>: i have a ATI x700
[11:57] <jhutchins> igorjr: Some of the cards work better on the open drivers.  You'll need to look for info specific to your card.
[11:57] <eagles0513875> kubuntu ive tried everything
[11:57] <eagles0513875> is ur direct rendering working
[11:57] <eagles0513875> mine says indirect
[11:57] <igorjr> jhutchins: k and is there any way to switch back to the standart-driver if it fails to improve the performance?
[11:58] <Alarm> hello, is there any way to create a bar at the top of my screen , where i can add shortcuts and that will be invisible. of course i want only this one to be invisible. i added a panel, but when i make the transparency, the configuration counts also for the main bar, and i dont want that. is there any way ?
[11:59] <tarnold_> hey all with XP I have my USB drive with FF on and opera USB, each in seperate folders but when i plug it in when running Kubuntu i have another folder, with stuff in it that i though i deleted already? whats the deal
[12:00] <delight> seems like 64-bit PC version of kubuntu is not running on a intel core2duo ... @ least the herd5 starts for me with a segmentation fault error
[12:01] <SolidSource> tarnold_: if its stuff you deleted, its the trash folder for that drive that you didn't empty
[12:01] <delight> I had asked some time ago and soone was saying to me it should work ... its not ;) if someone asks again
[12:02] <tarnold_> yeah i just hit the delete key in windows from the USB drive
[12:03] <kubuntu_alex> any one from norway here?
[12:03] <SolidSource> delight: well for one, the 64bit version is built around the AMD64 standard, so intel 64bit processor are not exactly 100% supported yet..though they should work
[12:04] <eagles0513875> amd suxs
[12:04] <eagles0513875> they have hit a wall
[12:04] <jhutchins> delight: It's worth noting that some people even have the more difficult media formats working on it, so...
[12:04] <lontra> anyone use opera?  is it any better than firefox?
[12:05] <lontra> i hear it's quicker
[12:05] <adydas> i use opera
[12:05] <jhutchins> lontra: What's wrong with konqueror?
[12:05] <lontra> jhutchins: i like konqi for most things
[12:05] <SolidSource> konqueror doesn't offer what firefox and opera do....firefox tops out with customizability
[12:05] <jhutchins> I have opera, but I usually fall back to firefox if I need compatibility with some wierd website.
[12:06] <delight> SolidSource: jhutchins: i wasn't complaining or so ... I'm all good with that my favorite OS ... just saying it to make it public
[12:06] <tarnold_> so how do i delete it?
[12:06] <delight> + its not my own system ... i'd by a X2 of AMD right now :-D
[12:06] <delight> buy
[12:06] <tarnold_> b/c in windows i just see two folders, mozilla FF and opera USB?
[12:07] <SolidSource> delight: I use 64bit...but I have an AMD Athlond X2 processor
[12:07] <delight> SolidSource: nice choice ;)
[12:09] <SolidSource> tarnold_: linux creates a seperate trash for each partition/drive, its not a windows thing
[12:10] <delight> well yeah its a all brand new intel core2duo 6600 ... so i thought 64bit would be good ... esp as it got 3gb of ram and so on ... anyways ... i will install some 32 bit on it i guess
[12:10] <eagles0513875> i hate amd im more of an intel guy
[12:10] <delight> eagles0513875: that new amd series perform better ... intel is only good for mobiles
[12:10] <SolidSource> Intel is over priced and doesn't work any better than the AMD
[12:10] <eagles0513875> but tech wise they r way ahead of amd
[12:10] <delight> its not even a real 64bit processor
[12:10] <eagles0513875> whats not a real 64 bit processor
[12:10] <delight> eagles0513875: way ahead ??? well well ...
[12:10] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:10] <SolidSource> actually the AMD turion is doing a bit better than intels mobile processor
[12:10] <eagles0513875> wasnt it intel that came out with 65nm before intel
[12:10] <delight> eagles0513875: the intel core 2 duo ... it only got some strange 64bit extension
[12:10] <eagles0513875> humm
[12:10] <eagles0513875> dont the dual cores outperform desktop wise
[12:10] <delight> SolidSource: on powerconsumpion better ?
[12:11] <SolidSource> delight: yes, with the same speed as intel
[12:11] <lontra> are there feisty packages of opera somewhere or do i just need to go to opera website?
[12:11] <lontra> !opera
[12:11] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[12:11] <SolidSource> opera makes a Deb package
[12:11] <delight> eagles0513875: intel is just closing the gap to amd with there intel core 2 duo .. there performance was way behind the actual AM2 X2 processors
[12:11] <eagles0513875> what makes me mad is that they already phased out 939 processors
[12:11] <delight> SolidSource: wow didn't know that ... I would have bought an AMD
[12:11] <delight> darn
[12:12] <eagles0513875> was hoping to  upgread my desktop from 3200 to x2
[12:12] <tarnold_> can i get the programs of things in teh kicker to disapeer if i move to a different virtual desktop? or do they stay there>
[12:12] <tarnold_> ?
[12:12] <eagles0513875> or fx but no more 939 processors *shakes head*
[12:12] <_Daisuke_Ido_> you should be able to get 939 processors dirt cheap these days
[12:12] <delight> eagles0513875: well intel force you for upgrade of everything every 6 months
[12:13] <SolidSource> delight: yeah, but thats only processor...the wireless card and chipset intel goes with the processor, does give intel the boost
[12:13] <delight> while amd you could run from amd duron 600 up to athlon xp 3200 on the same mainboard .. no socket change
[12:13] <_Daisuke_Ido_> eagles0513875: what are you looking for in the x2 line?
[12:13] <delight> lately they doing a little worse on that topic in my eyes ... but there 64bit processors are outperformers ... its a simple misbelieve out there intel would be so much better
[12:14] <_Daisuke_Ido_> x2 4200+ for $169
[12:14] <eagles0513875> really where
[12:14] <_Daisuke_Ido_> newegg
[12:14] <eagles0513875> anything 939 daisuke
[12:14] <delight> SolidSource: yeah ... they got that centrino thing going on for some while now ... well i guess i'm not to bad served with my laptop
[12:14] <delight> :-)
[12:14] <eagles0513875> sweet now i know for future reference
[12:14] <eagles0513875> now between fx and the x2 which is better
[12:15] <_Daisuke_Ido_> fx is the "god among men" if you ask a lot of people
[12:15] <_Daisuke_Ido_> the x2 is just a dual core processor
[12:15] <_Daisuke_Ido_> i use an x2 3800+ and i love it
[12:15] <Sanne> _Daisuke_Ido_: me too, and I do too
[12:15] <SolidSource> the latest X2 processor is 3Ghz...though costs around $450-500 for it
[12:15] <eagles0513875> what so great bout fx line


[11:34] <JaySee> Hi, I am trying to config ubuntu server with netplan with several NIC. I am not able to make it work with more than 1 NIC. Could anyone help to fix the problem. Config --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N9zvQGj76q/
[12:03] <slyon> Hi JaySee! Is there any error message? Your config looks ok on first glance. could you maybe paste your `ip a` output?
[12:22] <JaySee> @slyon: There are no errors. But I am not able to connect using other NIC except first NIC. ip a output --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G5zCKYGFQC/
[12:31] <slyon> thanks JaySee, 'ip a' shows that netplan applied all the IP addresses correctly to the interfaces
[12:32] <slyon> So i assume the problem must be somewhere else, how are you trying to connect? are there any firewall rules in place? what about routes?
[12:41] <JaySee> This server is behind the firewall. But I am trying to connect to this server behind the firewall only. If i use the "renderer: NetworkManager", rather than "renderer: networkd" all the 4 interfaces are working fine.
[12:41] <JaySee> I am not sure, what is the problem
[12:43] <JaySee> @slyon : to do this, I had to disable, mask, stop systemd-networkd   ... then unmask, enable, ans start NetworkManager
[12:43] <JaySee> I think, netplan has some more configuration some where , which i am missing.
[12:45] <slyon> JaySee: can you compare the 'ip route' output when using the networkd renderer VS the NetworkManager renderer?
[12:46] <JaySee> @slyon, sure. I will share them in few minutes
[12:58] <JaySee> @slyon: this is how it looks after changing it to NetworkManager as renderer. It is adding 4 defaults routes --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VrRjktm6QV/
[13:01] <slyon> okay... are <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS> the correct gateways which should be used by this interfaces?
[13:03] <slyon> I guess you could try to add the corresponding gateway4: settings to each interface (cf. https://netplan.io/reference/#common-properties-for-all-device-types)
[13:05] <slyon> (as you did with eth0)
[13:07] <JaySee> slyon: yes the gateways are correct. But when I add gateways for all the 4 interfaces. Only 4th NIC is working remaining 3 are not working. This is kind of strange behavior.
[13:09] <slyon> ah.. maybe netplan/systemd overwrites the previous default gateways.. I guess then the (static) routes need to be defined manually
[13:10] <slyon> via the routes: setting... probably something like this:
[13:10] <slyon> routes:
[13:10] <slyon>   - to: <IP_ADDRESS>/0
[13:10] <slyon>     via: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:10] <slyon>     on-link: true
[13:37] <JaySee> @slyon, thanks. I will try that.


[09:01] <Guest89558> Hi there - Quick Question : Cud we have #bounty as a tag on launchpad, please ?
[09:04] <Guest89558> Hello ? anyone there ?
[09:06] <cjwatson> Guest89558: You can set any tag you like; nobody needs to create it.
[09:07] <cjwatson> Guest89558: "Official" tags are maintained by the maintainers of individual projects, not by Launchpad staff.
[09:07] <Guest89558> ok cheers - How do I find bugs listed under "bounty" ?
[09:07] <Guest89558> Can you give me the link , please ?
[09:08] <cjwatson> Guest89558: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?advanced=1 lets you search by whatever terms you want
[09:08] <Guest89558> cheers.
[12:24] <yofel> so again, is there a working way to fetch all git repository names though the API? If I run
[12:24] <yofel> print(len(lp.git_repositories.getRepositories(target=lp.projects['kubuntu-packaging'])))
[12:24] <yofel> I get 292 repositories (correct). But if I loop through that, I get several repositories twice and today only 224 (yesterday it was 236) distinct repositories (while it's still 292 in total)
[12:25] <yofel> it feels like pushing something to the repository prevents the API from seeing it...
[12:25] <yofel> the repository target was changed once through the API if that matters
[12:43] <cjwatson> There may be a missing DISTINCT somewhere.
[12:44] <cjwatson> Are there actually any repositories missing from that collection, though?
[12:45] <cjwatson> Also iterating over large collections always has some chance of errors due to races, since the collection is fetched in multiple batches, so clients need to tolerate that.
[12:45] <cjwatson> A 292 vs. 224 discrepancy suggests a missing DISTINCT though.
[12:47] <wgrant> Were it only so simple.
[12:47] <wgrant> cjwatson: In this case the batching race doesn't exist, as it's a named operation.
[12:47] <wgrant> The 224 is consistent.
[12:47] <wgrant> The web UI says 292 and at least some of the duplicates are present only once.
[12:48] <cjwatson> Oh I think I read yofel's commentary backwards.
[12:48] <wgrant> getRepositories returns 292 repositories, same as the web UI.
[12:48] <wgrant> But the API's set of 292 contains only 224 distinct repositories.
[12:51] <cjwatson> Hm, yes, the web UI has no dups.
[12:51] <ondrej> cjwatson: ok, nevermind then, I'll sort this out in the packages that keeps failing even on rebuilds;
[12:53] <cjwatson> wgrant: Not sure what you mean about batching not being a problem.  It's fetched in four batches.
[12:54] <cjwatson> The obvious difference is that the web UI uses order_by_date=True while the API doesn't.
[13:13] <yofel> hm, bummer
[13:13] <yofel> I tried caching the collection as I know the there's issues with fetching a collection over a long timespan, but that gives me the same result
[13:14] <yofel> should I open a bug?
[13:16] <cjwatson> yes please
[13:25] <yofel> cjwatson: lp 1578205
[13:52] <wgrant> Er indeed, the batching race does of course still apply here.
[14:20] <tumbleweed> how easily do you give away s390x support for PPAs? I'm 4 days into a pypy test build on zelenka.d.o, and getting annoyed :P
[14:25] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: I'm afraid we can't give that to non-Canonical employees right now as there's no sandboxing.
[14:25] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: Hopefully we'll have s390x scalingstack support soonish.
[14:26] <tumbleweed> neat. It has just gained JIT support for s390x, so presumably somebody out there will find this useful
[14:26] <cjwatson> (Don't have a very specific date though; my guess would be months rather than weeks or years)
[17:49] <lazyPower> Is there still the notion of +junk in the launchpad git support?
[17:55] <dobey> lazyPower: it's just pushing an arbitrary repo to your +git i think
[17:56] <lazyPower> oh so git doesn't have the same project structure requirements?
[17:56] <lazyPower> i thought that was implemented system wide in launchpad
[17:56] <lazyPower> #TIL
[17:57] <dobey> yes/no. afaik repositories that are push under projects appear for the listing on those projects, but there isn't a special case of "+junk"
[20:26] <cjwatson> lazyPower: The equivalent of +junk is the "personal" repository structure defined in https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git .
[20:27] <cjwatson> dobey: Please refer to the above documentation.
[20:28] <cjwatson> ~OWNER/+git/REPOSITORY is very nearly a direct analogue of ~OWNER/+junk/BRANCH, eqxcept that a repository can contain multiple branches.
[20:28] <dobey> right
[20:28] <cjwatson> And the project and package namespaces are similar to those for Bazaar except that they don't have series.
[20:29] <dobey> didn't think of help.lp.net at the time
[20:29] <cjwatson> So for the most part, git in Launchpad *does* have the same "project structure requirements" as Bazaar, but with some simplifications and changes.
[20:30] <cjwatson> Mainly to avoid repeating some mistakes that were made when designing Bazaar in Launchpad - basically, stealing too much namespace.
[20:30] <dobey> right, that's what i was saying, but perhaps i sucked at making it as clear :)
[20:30] <cjwatson> (And +junk ought to have been renamed ages ago, but nobody ever quite got around to it ...)
[20:31] <dobey> sorry if i was confusing
[20:32] <cjwatson> Fair enough :)  But I did want to point oiut that there in fact *is* a special case of +junk, just spelled differently.
[20:32] <cjwatson> Or at least it's just as special for git as it is for Bazaar.
[20:36] <dobey> cjwatson: my understanding was that +git was a part of the URL in both personal and project branches. but i guess the position of +git in the URL is a bit different
[20:37] <cjwatson> The URLs are written out differently, but in both cases there are three namespaces: project, package, and personal.
[20:37] <cjwatson> The rest is just a matter of spelling, in the git case motivated by avoiding ambiguity.
[20:37] <dobey> or is +git in the lp web URL for a repository somewhat different from the +git in the git remote URL?
[20:37] <cjwatson> We ended up (after much discussion) putting +git in the URLs for all git repositories, indeed.
[20:38] <cjwatson> One of the reasons for that was so that we could safely arrange for the URL paths on code.launchpad.net and git.launchpad.net to be the same for any repository.
[20:39] <cjwatson> But ~OWNER/PROJECT/+git/REPOSITORY and ~OWNER/+git/REPOSITORY (for instance) are still quite different things, despite +git being in both.
[20:39] <cjwatson> +git is just there to avoid confusion with other URL traversals.
[20:42] <cjwatson> For example, without +git in the project namespace case, it would be ambiguous whether ~cjwatson/launchpad/feature referred to a Bazaar branch or a git repository; for a project transitioning between the two VCSes, it's quite possible that both could exist with the same name.
[20:43] <dobey> sure