[00:17] <hackmaniack> Bonsoir
[00:56] <dmiller309> I just fired up Mate 17.04 in a VM. I wanted to see if the super+4 keyboard shortcut would switch to the 4th item in the Mutiny theme sidebar.
[00:57] <dmiller309> I use that keymapping in Ubuntu all the time and it's the main reason I don't switch to Mate.
[00:58] <dmiller309> I still think the project is really cool though.
[01:28] <kevr> what's responsible for creating /dev/fb0 on ubuntu mate?
[01:28] <kevr> is there a driver that prepares that, or is that udev's responsibility?
[01:28] <kevr> i mean, of course a driver prepares it, but how does that thing get initialized
[02:28] <plaindave> I had to re-install ubuntu-mate and now I can't find where to switch to using advanced menu. Any help would be appreciated.
[02:29] <Astro7467> control centre -> MATE Tweak
[02:29] <Astro7467> under interface
[02:29] <plaindave> I looked in that, but I couldn't find it. I'll look again. Thanks.
[02:29] <Astro7467> shld be listed as a check box for Panel Features
[02:30] <plaindave> I just found it, but it's grayed out. That's weird.
[02:31] <Astro7467> if your layout is one without a panel (eg Mutiny I think) then no menu for advanced features to be added to
[02:31] <plaindave> okay, thanks.
[02:33] <plaindave> Cool! I got it.  As a test (I am a windows user) I'm running (booting) it from a flash drive. It works really well.
[11:17] <mate|38971> So first of all, I would like to thank the community. And second of all, I've heard that apparently it's possible to configure mate to look more like windows. Is this still a feature? Is it easy to do?
[12:16] <swright> it's mainly getting the right theme installed for the windows look. You can google it, but here is one article I was able to find real quick.  http://www.pcworld.com/article/2028896/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7.html
[12:18] <swright> also, real quick, if you go into the mate tweak tool, and then into the interfaces section, change the panel layout to Redmond to get the bar at the bottom, etc.
[12:18] <swright> other options there are cupertino, fedora, etc.  Very cool
[13:13] <thepeter> so Iam experimenting with 16.04 on raspberry pi3 because of ubuntu SDK - and there I came to problem wich google could nothelp me (so far) ... there is a problem with ldx/lxc when I am creating kits, anyone has an idea?
[13:23] <thepeter> error message is: error: Error calling 'lxd forkstart device-armhf /var/lib/lxd/containers /var/log/lxd/device-armhf/lxc.conf': err='exit status 1' lxc<PHONE_NUMBER>5815.641 ERROR lxc_seccomp - seccomp.c:lxc_seccomp_load:742 - Error loading the seccomp policy. lxc<PHONE_NUMBER>5815.642 ERROR lxc_sync - sync.c:__sync_wait:57 - An error occurred in another process (expected sequence number 5) lxc<PHONE_NUMBER>5815.642 ERROR lxc_start - start.c:__lxc_start:1346 -
[13:23] <thepeter> Failed to spawn container "device-armhf". lxc<PHONE_NUMBER>5816.360 ERROR lxc_conf - conf.c:run_buffer:405 - Script exited with status 1. lxc<PHONE_NUMBER>5816.361 ERROR lxc_start - start.c:lxc_fini:546 - Failed to run lxc.hook.post-stop for container "device-armhf". Try `lxc info --show-log device-armhf` for more info
[13:23] <thepeter> ---Task exited with errors, please check the output---
[13:42] <ouroumov_> thepeter, what does "lxc info --show-log device-armhf" gives you?
[13:57] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I see you've included one of the Antechdesign wallpapers in Zetsy, can we get this one too? https://ubuntu-mate.community/uploads/default/original/2X/b/bbf0c9e40b6c22bddf57fb6a6c41c9ce538b7224.jpg
[14:05] <Astro7467> @swright: FYI they quit IRC about 7min b4 you provided the answer
[14:12] <ouroumov_> Astro7467, but you gotta give him props for makin our IRC logs look good: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/03/28/%23ubuntu-mate.html#t12:16
[14:14] <thepeter> ouroumov_ error: not found
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ I'll try.
[14:25] <ouroumov_> Thanks
[15:07] <Astro7467> @ouroumov_ Yes - definitely - and gooder 🙃 answer than what I was about to type 2min earlier
[16:11] <glasbag> hiiii
[16:11] <glasbag> hello
[16:11] <glasbag> anyone there?
[16:12] <ouroumov> hi glasbag
[16:18] <glasbag> hi
[16:18] <glasbag> can any one help me about PhpPgadmin?
[16:18] <glasbag> im trying to export and it comes whit a empty dump_sql
[17:15] <TheOneMenzie> flexiondotorg: https://ubuntu-mate.org/community/ still says matey is in here
[17:19] <telix> I want to talk with matey
[17:20] <telix> hello matey
[17:33] <DarkPsydeLord> lol
[17:33] <DarkPsydeLord> !hi
[17:33] <DarkPsydeLord> its being a while since i last see matey
[20:37] <flexiondotorg> I should probably get Matey back. I liked that guy.
[20:41] <Menzador> Me 2
[20:42] <Menzador> I miss the good ol' days when we just !tell'ed everyone logistics-related stuff
[20:42] <Menzador> I felt like I was using a telegraph machine


[00:00] <EagleScreen> hello
[00:00] <EagleScreen> i have a ude with ppa and distro releases
[00:02] <EagleScreen> in this page > https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading it is said: "You can upload a source from any Debian-compatible distribution straight to your PPA"
[00:03] <EagleScreen> does it mean that I can also upload packages for Debian releases?
[00:05] <EagleScreen> are you sre is that page up-to-date?
[00:12] <maxb> EagleScreen: It means you can take any Debian-format source package and upload it to be built in an Ubuntu environment
[00:14] <EagleScreen> there ins't any way to upload packages that contains for instance 'unstable' in the changelog release?
[00:16] <wgrant> There is, but you probably don't want to do it,
[00:17] <wgrant> Why do you want to?
[00:19] <EagleScreen> i really want to do it
[00:20] <wgrant> No, you probably don't.
[00:20] <wgrant> Why do you think you want to?
[00:20] <wgrant> It's very very rarely the right thing to do.
[00:20] <EagleScreen> i also want to be able my few packages for Debian
[00:20] <wgrant> It will still build for an Ubuntu release.
[00:20] <wgrant> You *cannot* build packages for Debian in a PPA.
[00:20] <EagleScreen> i would like to have a ppa for Ubuntu and a ppa for Debian
[00:20] <wgrant> You can build packages *from* Debian, but not *for* Debian.
[00:21] <EagleScreen> i first tets that they build in a Debian enviroment
[00:21] <wgrant> PPAs have no Debian environment.
[00:21] <EagleScreen> yes, but i first build it in a chroot Debian enviroment in my computer
[00:22] <EagleScreen> so check that they also build for Debian
[00:23] <wgrant> That will not magically make PPAs build for Debian as well.
[00:23] <EagleScreen> yes I know
[00:23] <EagleScreen> but i only want to have a repository from where someone can install my packages
[00:24] <wgrant> But the packages do not exist to be installed, because PPAs do not build for Debian. Just Ubuntu.
[00:24] <EagleScreen> they are built agoins Ubuntu I know, but they also run well on Debian
[00:25] <wgrant> In that case you could just give Debian users the Ubuntu apt lines.
[00:25] <wgrant> That's as much as can be done with the current setup.
[00:26] <EagleScreen> yes i know that Debian users has to ahve an apt line with 'karmic'
[00:26] <EagleScreen> sid/unstable is not supported by ppa
[00:26] <EagleScreen> i mean if I can upload a package with 'unstable' in its changelog into "karmic" ppa
[00:27] <EagleScreen> be default, it is rejectimg me tham
[00:27] <wgrant> What good is that?
[00:27] <EagleScreen> error is unknown distrorealease
[00:27] <wgrant> It is possible, but why?
[00:28] <wgrant> If you're building a package for Ubuntu, why do you want to upload with a distroseries of 'unstable'?
[00:29] <EagleScreen> I really want some packaes to have a version with 'unstable' in my ppa focused for Debian, and other version with 'karmic' in my ppa focused for Ubuntu
[00:29] <wgrant> EagleScreen: So you want to do it just to have a different name in the changelog?
[00:29] <EagleScreen> yes, and to have a diffrent changelog
[00:31] <wgrant> EagleScreen: You are probably making a mistake, but try adding '/karmic' to the end of the upload path.
[00:31] <EagleScreen> yes i have already tried, but later an email tell me that upload has been rejected by invalid distrorelease
[00:32] <EagleScreen> it would be nice if ppa's were also valid for Debian releases
[00:33] <wgrant> It would, but that requires a fair bit of work.
[00:33] <EagleScreen> but I think that it is hard, because Debian works with a major number of archs by default
[00:33] <wgrant> That's probably little to do with it.
[00:34] <wgrant> Now, uploading with a path like '~user/ppa/ubuntu/karmic' does work. I tried it locally.
[00:34] <EagleScreen> yes, but with an ubuntu release in changelog
[00:35] <EagleScreen> if you have unstable, low, it will be rejected
[00:37] <EagleScreen> and i am forced to change it to karmic, low, being focused in Debian
[00:39] <EagleScreen> but it is normally, ppa's are made with Ubuntu in mind
[00:41] <wgrant> EagleScreen: I'm pretty sure the changelog should be ignored.
[00:41] <wgrant> But I have to run.
[00:46] <EagleScreen> i think it will watch changelog to know what version of Ubuntu to use to build
[00:58] <kklimonda> something wrong with LP? I'm trying to open https://edge.launchpad.net/tangerine and gen an oops OOPS-1326EA680
[00:58] <kklimonda> well, oops obviously change ;)
[01:00] <Ursinha> kklimonda, let me see the oops
[01:00] <matsubara> kklimonda, bug 414610, fix should be rolled in the next edge update. workaround is to disable edge redirection
[01:01] <kklimonda> matsubara: thanks
[01:03] <matsubara> kklimonda, np
[01:56] <wgrant> EagleScreen: No. It normally looks at the changes file to work out which distroseries to build against, but the upload path overrides that.
[01:57] <wgrant> That's the whole point of it.
[01:57] <wgrant> The changelog is not examined directly.
[02:15] <ojwb> EagleScreen: if you want a PPA-like builder for Debian, the opensuse build service can do that: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Deb_builds
[02:17] <EagleScreen> thanks ojwb
[08:19] <thekorn> good morning,
[08:20] <thekorn> I get an nice error popup when I try to add a comment to a bugreport
[08:22] <thekorn> oh, nevermind, it is because I'm somehow not logged in
[08:25] <noodles775> thekorn: yeah, gmb just mentioned on lp-dev that the sessions table seems to have been nuked.
[09:06] <noodles775> gmb, jtv - are you guys seeing any issues using edge/production right now? I'm trying to create an MP but repeatedly fail (timeouts, logging in repeatedly etc.)
[09:07] <jtv> noodles775: Code's been struggling lately, hasn't it?
[09:07] <gmb> noodles775: code.* is slowish.
[09:07] <noodles775> Thanks - I didn't realise how slow...
[09:09] <gmb> stub: Are there longer-term problems with the session DB? I'm getting asked to log in again.
[09:09] <stub> noodles775: kill your edge session cookie and restart your browser (or maybe restarting browser is all that is needed). There is something weird going on with edge authentication - no probs on launchpad.net, but relogging into edge after nuking the sessions was a pita.
[09:10] <noodles775> Thanks stub
[09:10]  * gmb kills his browser
[09:10] <gmb> Oh, wow, there are terminals under here. What was I doing?
[09:11] <gmb> Apparently, I was using Python as a calculator. How dull.
[09:13] <gmb> stub: I'm getting the "there's a problem" page.
[09:13] <noodles775> gmb: restarting didn't work for chromium for me, but ff3.5 did (not sure why).
[09:13] <stub> That would be a different issue.
[09:14] <gmb> Hmm.
[09:14] <stub> Hmm... maybe edge is just screwing up and it isn't some weird cookie handling bug at all
[09:14]  * stub goes to poke a losa
[09:15] <gmb> There's those vagueries again.
[09:22] <jtv> noodles775: beware—in my case, logging in again worked, but a while later I lost my session again.
[09:23] <danilos> jtv: I just can't log in into edge
[09:23] <jtv> hi danilos, same here
[09:24] <jtv> oh, now I'm "already logged in."
[09:24] <danilos> jtv: ok, ok, hi to you too :)
[10:04] <Hew> Edge is timing out every few pages. Known issue?
[10:07] <Spads> Hew: still?
[10:09] <Hew> Spads, not right at this moment, no. I'll let you know if it happens again
[10:10] <mdz> Spads, I'm seeing it as well (right now)
[10:10] <Hew> Spads, it just happened again
[10:10] <Spads> mdz: stub and I are looking into it
[10:11] <mdz> Spads, thanks
[10:13] <Spads> has that improved things any for edge?
[11:13] <Hew> I haven't seen the timeout problem for a while.
[11:17] <spiv> Dear Launchpad: "This is a bug in the way InterDifferingSerializer deals with stacked sources.  The main issue here is that the way InterDifferingSerializer calculates the text keys to send isn't quite right.  It generates a probably-shortest delta, and then assumes every text key referenced in that needs to be transferred.  That doesn't align with reality when the source is a stacked branch... there can be many text keys in the delta that logic
[11:17] <spiv> In fact, with a stacked source opened by upgrade there will be no fallbacks configured.  So the first revision InterDifferingSerializer tries to fetch will have no parent revision present, so it will generate a delta from the null revision for the first revision it wants to transfer (even though a parent inventory is present), and thus it will attempt to send every text in the complete inventory for that revision!
[11:17] <spiv> The actual rule for which text keys must be present for a given revision , as described by Robert elsewhere, is: "all text versions not present in any parent".
[11:17] <spiv> So, for each batch IDS processes, I think what we want to do is something more like:
[11:17] <spiv> Gar, sorry!
[11:17] <spiv> Bad clipboard, no biscuit!
[11:18] <spiv> I meant to say that "Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication." is a bit rude when as far as my browser knows I am authenticated, and Launchpad has mysteriously decided to forget my cookie.
[11:19] <bigjools> spiv: edge problems earlier, not sure why sessions were dropped
[11:21] <spiv> (at least my long bug comment didn't get eaten, although as you can see I had most of it in the clipboard because my "long comments in web forms is just asking for data loss" paranoia kicked in... :)
[12:16] <papo> hello
[12:17] <papo> if I merge two launchpad accounts, what's going to happen with my Karma and things like "member since"?
[12:18] <papo> am I just going to keep those of the main account I'm logged in or is Karma somehow added? And what about the PPA?
[12:18] <bigjools> if you have a PPA you will need to get an admin to sort that out for you
[12:19] <wgrant> Karma is transferred.
[12:19] <wgrant> I don't think 'member since' is.
[12:20] <papo> hm ok. That would be cool, though
[14:41] <rohdef> how do I change (/delete and reupload) an attachment?
[14:52] <james_w> I've started getting a ton of 412 errors on branch.set_status()
[14:52] <james_w> I implemented retry before, as it often collided with scanning
[14:53] <james_w> but something in the last day or two has meant that even with 3 retries it still collides with something
[14:53] <james_w> anyone have any guesses?
[14:58] <abentley> james_w: Sorry, no idea.
[15:01] <james_w> ok, filing a bug
[15:04] <james_w> is there a way to dump the state of an object in the API?
[15:09] <james_w> bug 415943
[16:00] <geser> I've witnessed some PreconditionFailed too today, but while using requestsync and setting Importance and Status of a bug
[16:07] <mdz> in the latest code on edge, it looks like it is no longer possible to move a bug from one package to another without using +editstatus (the drop-down is gone). or has it moved?
[16:07] <mdz> BjornT, ?
[16:13] <mdz> gmb, ?
[16:14] <salgado> mdz, I see it to the left of the project affected, in the table
[16:16] <gmb> mdz: As salgado said, it should still be there
[16:19] <liw> https://launchpad.net/~systemcleaner-hackers and related branches are a bit messed up: my project was originally called "System Cleaner", but got renamed due to trademark law; new name is "Computer Janitor"
[16:19] <liw> what can I do to get the launchpad stuff fixed? create a new project and copy the branches over?
[16:20] <mdz> gmb, what does it look like?
[16:20] <mdz> gmb, see e.g. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/386524
[16:20] <mdz> oh, maybe it's missing on duplicate bugs?
[16:20] <mdz> I was just going over a batch of those
[16:20] <LarstiQ> liw: it should be possible to rename a project / assign branches to another project?
[16:21] <liw> LarstiQ, oh? I'll see about that and see if it works, thanks
[16:27] <apw> can anyone tell me if deleteing a source package from a PPA will stop any builds associated with it?
[16:29] <noodles775> apw: I'm not 100%, but I assume it will just 'unpublish' the source package... I expect that the builds will continue. bigjools ^^
[16:29] <apw> bigjools, i have some builds which i suspect are going into an infinite loop, building on the PPA builders
[16:29] <apw> whats the appropriate path to stop them
[16:29] <gmb> mdz: Right. If it's a duplicate of another bug you can't alter it, so unmark the dupe first.
[16:30] <mdz> gmb, unmarking it as a duplicate doesn't cause it to appear, though
[16:30] <mdz> gmb, the scenario here is that the bug is marked as a duplicate erroneously; it actually belongs on a different package
[16:30] <mdz> so I need to do both, unmark the duplicate, and change the package field
[16:36] <intellectronica> mdz: that's known. some of the inline editing actions don't result in all the other controls on the page reflecting the new state of the bug. refreshing the page is the current workaround
[16:40] <gmb> mdz: Refresh the page, it should appear. Known bug with the AJAX duplicate widget.
[16:40] <gmb> Sorry about that. I always forget about the whole having-to-refresh malarkey.
[16:40] <gmb> mdz: bug 346531, FTR.
[16:45] <mdz> intellectronica, gmb, thanks
[16:45] <gmb> mdz: Right. So, first, unmark the duplicate. Refresh, and you should be able to change the package.
[16:47] <mdz> gmb, I'm pretty sure this used to be possible with a single page load, so this is something of a regression
[16:49] <intellectronica> mdz: not really, but the way in which it fails right now is very confusing and misleading, and in this sense it is a regression
[16:50] <intellectronica> this will definitely be fixed before 3.0 is out, but if we find that many people have difficulties using it we should consider forcing a refresh until then
[16:52] <gmb> Agreed.
[16:59] <bigjools> apw: sorry was on the phone.  No, it won't stop them.  Do you have build URLs please for the problematic ones?
[17:02] <apw> bigjools, https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/staging/+build/1171458
[17:02] <apw> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/staging/+build/1171459
[17:03] <apw> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/staging/+build/1171460
[17:04] <bigjools> apw: do you want me to cancel those builds?
[17:04] <apw> yes please if you can
[17:05] <bigjools> ok, give me a while
[17:22] <Flare-Laptop> When I went to push a bzr branch to my launchpad account, I got this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255810/
[17:22] <Flare-Laptop> What should I to fix it?
[17:23] <Ampelbein> Flare-Laptop: as the error message suggests, set more restrictive permission on your ssh key file.
[17:24] <Flare-Laptop> Ampelbein: ok, exactly what permissions should I set on it?
[17:24] <Ampelbein> Flare-Laptop: readable only by you, not any other person. i.e. 0600
[17:25] <abentley> danilos: How should I respond to this? https://answers.edge.launchpad.n et/launchpad/+question/80289
[17:25] <bigjools-afk> apw: seems like 2 of them failed anyway, I guess the third will too
[17:26] <Flare-Laptop> Ampelbein: Ahh ok, thanks.
[17:26] <apw> bigjools-afk, hrm thanks more bugs sigh
[17:26] <bigjools-afk> :)
[17:27] <danilos> abentley: I don't really know, it's already assigned to LOSAs, but you should be able to remove the project yourself if you can verify the identity of the requester (i.e. akser is the project owner)
[17:27] <danilos> abentley: perhaps you are thinking of a different question?
[17:27] <abentley> danilos: Sorry, I meant to ask you about this: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/80427
[17:28] <danilos> abentley: just leave it there, we'll take care of it through discussion with Arne (we're in constant communication with him, so it'd be hard to have this stay unanswered)
[17:29] <abentley> danilos: Cool, thanks.
[17:29] <danilos> abentley: we usually ask our ubuntu colleagues to file questions in rosetta so we don't forget about a request they made
[18:57] <fta> could someone please do something for https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/80227
[19:22] <einalex> hi guys! i'd like to change my launchpad email address but it keeps telling me the address belongs to one of the teams I created (the address was used as contact address for the team before but not anymore)
[19:22] <einalex> can someone help me with that?
[19:27] <ahasenack> is launchpad a bit ill today?
[19:32] <andersk> Something's definitely wrong.  When I visit a bug report page, the text suddenly becomes all centered, and I get logged out on the next page I visit.
[19:36] <einalex> the edge. version seems to work better
[19:37] <ahasenack> yeah, I see the same
[19:37] <ahasenack> logouts and rendering weirdness, even after shift-reload
[19:46] <PovAddict> launchpad keeps logging me out
[19:46] <PovAddict> I follow two or three links and I'm logged out
[19:47] <rmcbride> I'm getting the same thing
[19:47] <rmcbride> even cleared my cookies and reauthed and its not happy
[19:47] <PovAddict> ok looks like it may be some load balancing fail
[19:47] <PovAddict> I go to launchpad.net and refresh the page
[19:48] <PovAddict> and I show logged out
[19:48] <PovAddict> I refresh again and I'm logged in
[19:48] <PovAddict> intermittently
[19:49] <rmcbride> Yep.. yep... same behavior here.
[19:56] <PovAddict> how do I search for all bugs I reported?
[20:00] <LordMetroid> Anyone else having problem with launchpad now? The interface keeps screwing up and I am constantly being logged out.
[20:00] <PovAddict> yep same here
[20:00] <PovAddict> well, I stopped getting logged out for a while...
[20:01] <LordMetroid> ok, someone must have screwed something up
[20:01] <LordMetroid> I was worried it was something wrong on my part
[20:09] <rockstar> LordMetroid, PovAddict, you KEEP being logged out?
[20:09] <rockstar> Or have you only been logged out once?
[20:10] <LordMetroid> Yes when I am trying to change the status of a bug
[20:10] <PovAddict> I was logged out a dozen times
[20:10] <PovAddict> after doing one or two clicks around
[20:10] <PovAddict> but has been fine for the past 10 minutes
[20:10] <rockstar> Okay, I'll escalate it then.
[20:10] <LordMetroid> ALsoOhh wait now it works
[20:10] <LordMetroid> strange
[20:11] <LordMetroid> PovAddict, no need to escalate it seems
[20:18] <mac_v> hi... is something wrong with lp ? it keeps logging me out?
[20:18] <PovAddict> rockstar: ok... yes we do need to escalate it :)
[20:20] <rockstar> PovAddict, are you a beta tester?  Are you experiencing these problems on edge?
[20:20] <PovAddict> rockstar: I thought I wasn't, but I did a bug search and it gave me an error, and had an option to "disable redirection to the beta site for 2 hours"
[20:20] <PovAddict> so maybe I signed up to edge and I don't remember
[20:21] <rockstar> mac_v, how about you?  Are you experiencing the same problems with edge, or are you using production?
[20:21] <PovAddict> that message was after my logout problems had mostly disappeared
[20:21] <mac_v> rockstar: not edge , regular lp
[20:21] <rockstar> mac_v, are you still seeing the problem?
[20:22] <mac_v> rockstar: yes , i'm trying to look at bugs and it keeps loggin me out:(
[20:22] <PovAddict> rockstar: how can I tell if I'm currently using edge or not?
[20:22] <mac_v> PovAddict: it will be in the url
[20:23] <rockstar> PovAddict, the url in your browser.
[20:23] <PovAddict> I *never* saw 'edge' in the URL of my browser
[20:23] <PovAddict> but the message I got suggested I was getting redirected to edge automatically or something...
[20:23] <bialix> does lp is broken? it's quite regularly gives me error about authentication
[20:23] <mac_v> rockstar: ^
[20:24] <mac_v> bialix: same prob for me too
[20:24] <bialix> rats :-/
[20:25] <mac_v> also the retracers seem to be down , i submit a crash report and its been more than 2 hrs
[20:25] <mac_v> i'v*
[20:27] <rmcbride> rockstar: I'm definitely seeing this on not-edge at the moment
[20:30]  * bialix don't use edge
[20:35] <Lysi> Hi, when sending my answer it doesn't appear and I get logged out.
[20:35]  * PovAddict increments the "people with logout problems" counter by one
[20:35] <mac_v> Lysi: there is some porblem with lp & rockstar is looking ito it
[20:36] <mac_v> PovAddict: what was you initial problem?
[20:36] <PovAddict> logged in, went to another page, I was logged out
[20:36] <Lysi> PovAddict: as described
[20:36] <PovAddict> logged in, went to my profile, clicked edit, took me to login form
[20:37] <mac_v> yeah , i have the same prob
[20:37] <Lysi> sorry, was for mac_v
[20:37] <PovAddict> a dozen re-logins later, I successfully added my SSH and PGP keys to my profile
[20:37] <PovAddict> literally a dozen, I'd say
[20:37] <flacoste> Lysi, PovAddict, are you using firefox?
[20:37] <PovAddict> Konqueror 3.5
[20:38] <Lysi> yep
[20:38] <PovAddict> in case it matters... I reset my password before first login (had forgotten it)
[20:38] <mac_v> flacoste: i checked with midori too , its not the browser
[20:38] <flacoste> hmm
[20:38] <flacoste> well
[20:38] <PovAddict> refreshing home page repeatedly made the corner switch between my name and 'Login / register'
[20:39] <PovAddict> currently, it seems to be working fine for me
[20:39] <flacoste> PovAddict, mac_v, Lysi: can you make sure you have no cookies for any launchpad.net domain?
[20:39] <al> hey, sb around who could fix lp:~vcs-imports/quassel/trunk? currently failing due to a bzr-git hickup http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30433424/quassel-trunk-log.txt
[20:39] <PovAddict> flacoste: it hasn't logged *me* out for like half an hour now
[20:39] <Lysi> I'll close ff and will try again.
[20:39] <mac_v> flacoste: lp was working fine even half hour ago , its just now its doing this
[20:39] <PovAddict> (but I did what I needed to do already so I'm not actively browsing now)
[20:40] <slangasek> is anyone else seeing problems with launchpad logging users out after every page load?
[20:40]  * PovAddict increments the "people with logout problems" counter by one
[20:40] <mac_v> slangasek: welcome to the club
[20:41] <PovAddict> ok, just opened a few browser tabs from a bug list
[20:41] <slangasek> mac_v: I want out of this club. :)
[20:41] <mac_v> me too , desperately
[20:41] <PovAddict> 2 out of 6 are logged out
[20:42] <slangasek> also, why is LP appending '...' to my comments?
[20:42] <al> ...
[20:42] <mac_v> flacoste: how long does it take for the apport retracers to check a bug?
[20:42] <PovAddict> *refresh* 7 out of 7 are logged out
[20:42] <mac_v> PovAddict: we get it , there is a prob
[20:42] <PovAddict> mac_v: for the past 20 minutes I wasn't having problems anymore
[20:43] <mac_v> me too
[20:44] <idnar> so, I'm a bit confused about merge proposal statuses
[20:44] <gary_poster> so who is still having problems?  anyone with problems using a browser they can give us raw headers?  I think Firefox has that; looking.
[20:45] <rockstar> idnar, what seems to be your problem?
[20:45] <abentley> idnar: Okay, what would you like to know?
[20:45] <idnar> I guess specifically, I'm wondering about the "resubmit" and "rejected" statuses
[20:45] <rockstar> abentley, I saw you were busy, so I thought I'd help out.  I'll hand it back to you.  :)
[20:45] <idnar> does it make sense to change the status to rejected after posting a review with status "needs fixing"?
[20:46] <Lysi> ok, closed ff, restart, logged in, opened tab with a question, on this I wasn't logged in anymore.
[20:46] <Lysi> but I'm still on the first page.
[20:46] <abentley> idnar: If you were going to reject it, you would choose "disapprove", not "needs fixing".
[20:47] <abentley> idnar: If the review outcome is that the branch needs to be updated, you might switch it back to work-in-progress.
[20:48] <idnar> okay, so "rejected" is basically "go away and never come back"
[20:48] <gary_poster> Lysi: ack.  I'm not suggesting but exploring: have you tried logging in multiple times?
[20:48] <mac_v> hmm... is anyone looking into the authentication problem?
[20:48] <matsubara> Lysi, are you in the beta testers team? you might need to log in twice due to bug 160191
[20:48] <idnar> does "resubmit" mean "I am submitting this branch for review again"?
[20:48] <mac_v> gary_poster: i have tried multiple logins , doesnt work
[20:48] <abentley> idnar: Yes, it's a pretty strong rejection.
[20:48] <gary_poster> mac_v: so you are still logged out?
[20:49] <Lysi> gary_poster: no, I log in once. Until today no probs.
[20:49] <Ampelbein> hi there. I'm unable to unsubscribe a team from a bug report, no matter if i'm team owner, administrator or member. clicking the red "-" makes a spinning icon appear which vanishes after few seconds and team is still subscribed. Tested on edge and staging.
[20:49] <gary_poster> I think I have an idea.  checking internally one sec
[20:49] <mac_v> gary_poster: if i refresh , i get logged out , for every page i have to login again
[20:49] <abentley> idnar: "resubmit" should not be listed as a status.  It's really an action that means "I am resubmitting this branch for review."
[20:49] <abentley> idnar: I am working on fixing that.
[20:50] <mac_v> Ampelbein: are you the team admin?
[20:51] <mac_v> Ampelbein: you can unsubscribe a project once it has been assigned , you can only change it to a different project
[20:51] <Lysi> mac_v: confirm. reloading the page logs me out.
[20:51] <mac_v> can *not*
[20:51] <abentley> idnar: It actually creates a new merge proposal based on this one, and sets the current merge proposal to "superseded".
[20:51] <Ampelbein> mac_v: quoting myself "no matter if i'm team owner, administrator or member."
[20:52] <mac_v> Ampelbein: typo , you can *not* , unsubscribe
[20:52] <idnar> abentley: okay, thanks; I think that clears it up
[20:52] <Ampelbein> mac_v: i want to unsubscribe a TEAM (here: ubuntu-universe-sponsors) from a bug report (#415954). That used to work at least till 2 or 3 days ago.
[20:52] <abentley> idnar: great.
[20:52] <Ampelbein> mac_v: nothing to do with a project.
[20:53] <abentley> rockstar: appreciate the offer, though.
[20:53] <gary_poster> mac_v, Lysi: can you confirm that the problem still exists?
[20:53] <mac_v> Ampelbein: sorry , i got confused
[20:53] <gary_poster> (we just restarted servers)
[20:53] <Lysi> yep
[20:53] <idnar> abentley: hmm, one last thing; do you always need to "resubmit" after pushing new changes to the branch?
[20:53] <Lysi> just logged in and got logged out, will try again.
[20:54] <mac_v> gary_poster: \o/ seems solved thanx
[20:54] <gary_poster> mac_v: cool
[20:54] <abentley> idnar: No, only if you want to generate a new review diff.
[20:54] <idnar> okay, great
[20:55] <gary_poster> Lysi: waiting with bated breath ;-)
[20:55] <mac_v> gary_poster: doesnt a good old kick to the server work? ;p
[20:55] <gary_poster> oh yeah :-) :-/
[20:55] <flacoste> slangasek: is it working for you now?
[20:56] <Lysi> ok, logged in and will answer a question and see what happens when sending.
[20:56] <gary_poster> ok
[20:56] <slangasek> flacoste: yes
[20:56] <Lysi> gary_poster: btw. please dont write white or whatever, I cannot read anything
[20:57] <gary_poster> Lysi: ?
[20:57] <mac_v> lol
[20:57] <Lysi> I need to highlight the font to be abled to read it
[20:57] <slangasek> gary_poster, flacoste thanks
[20:57] <LarstiQ> Lysi: is that what your irc client does when someone addresses you?
[20:58] <gary_poster> ah, good call by LarstiQ
[20:58] <gary_poster> is this legible
[20:58] <gary_poster> but this not legible, Lysi?
[20:58] <Lysi> LarstiQ: not by everyone
[20:58] <gary_poster> afaik I'm just sending text :-)
[20:59] <mac_v> Lysi: xchat ? change the colors in the preferences
[20:59] <Lysi> no
[20:59] <gary_poster> so launchpad is ok for you?
[20:59] <mac_v> gary_poster: nice technique though
[20:59]  * mac_v needs to learn to write in white
[21:00] <gary_poster> lol
[21:00] <Lysi> pidgin, sometimes it's purple, my writing is blue
[21:00] <mac_v> Lysi: its the prefs , you need to change gary_poster is not doing anything
[21:01] <Lysi> Ok, posted a test answer, works fine. thanks a lot.
[21:01] <gary_poster> Awesome
[21:01] <Ampelbein> abentley: Can you help? I'm unable to unsubscribe a team from a bug report, no matter if i'm team owner, administrator or member. clicking the red "-" makes a spinning icon appear which vanishes after few seconds and team is still subscribed. Tested on edge and staging.
[21:01] <mac_v> gary_poster: how long does an apport retrace usually take?
[21:02] <abentley> Ampelbein: What's the bug report?
[21:02] <Lysi> How do I change gary_poster? I'm new to this and never had an issue like this, sorry.
[21:02] <Ampelbein> abentley: i tried several, for example bug 415954
[21:03] <abentley> Ampelbein: What's the team?
[21:03] <intellectronica> Ampelbein, abentley: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/415229
[21:03] <gary_poster> mac_v: no idea sorry.  rockstar ^^^ ?
[21:03] <mac_v> rockstar: how long does an apport retrace usually take?
[21:03] <rockstar> mac_v, no idea.  I'm not on the bugs team.
[21:03] <mac_v> ah :(
[21:04] <intellectronica> Ampelbein: it's fixed, but not yet deployed
[21:04] <rockstar> intellectronica, do you know the answer to mac_v's question?
[21:04] <Ampelbein> intellectronica: ah, ok. thanks.
[21:04] <abentley> Ampelbein: In the meantime, you can work around it by either disabling javascript or not using edge.
[21:04] <Ampelbein> abentley: ok, thanks.
[21:04] <intellectronica> mac_v: not enough to worry about, i should think
[21:05] <intellectronica> that is, if it seems stuck, maybe there's something wrong going on
[21:05] <mac_v> intellectronica: its been more than 2 hrs , my crash report is still wating
[21:05] <intellectronica> though i must admit i'm no expert on apport either
[21:05] <intellectronica> mac_v: no, that sounds insane
[21:05] <mac_v> intellectronica: thats what i was wondering , i think they are stuck , they have recently been getting stuck with totem crashes
[21:06] <intellectronica> mac_v: really?
[21:06] <mac_v> intellectronica: yeah , thats what seb128 told
[21:06] <mac_v> needs to be restarted ,i guess
[21:07] <mac_v> he even removed the retrace tag to prevent the error
[21:07] <intellectronica> mac_v: did you try asking pitti? he'll know if it's a common problem now
[21:07] <mac_v> intellectronica: i think pitti is on vacation , seb too
[21:07] <intellectronica> huh
[21:08] <intellectronica> mac_v: i hate to be doing the 'not in my department' spiel, but i really don't know enough about apport to be able to help. i can try and see if there's anyone available who does, but as a first step, file a bug on apport?
[21:10] <mac_v> let me first get the bug # where seb reported it
[21:10] <intellectronica> ah ok, if there's a bug already than that's cool
[21:11] <mac_v> no no , my totem bug
[21:11] <mac_v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmms/+bug/410923/comments/4
[21:11] <mac_v> intellectronica: ^
[21:12] <intellectronica> mac_v: right, but i mean report a bug about apport itself
[21:12] <mac_v> intellectronica: hmm... didnt know ineeded to file a bug , so this bug is against apport?
[21:13] <mac_v> are the retraces and apport the same?
[21:14] <intellectronica> mac_v: i guess not, and that apport just runs them, but that would be a good start. unless you know for sure in what program it really is, file it on apport and in the worst case it will have to be moved to a more specific target
[21:14] <mac_v> ok
[21:22] <mac_v> intellectronica: ok , filed a bug , could you restart the retracers?
[21:22] <mac_v> Bug #416106
[21:24] <intellectronica> mac_v: sorry, i have no idea how to do that, but i'll see if i can find out
[21:24] <mac_v> thanks
[21:36] <mac_v> intellectronica: regarding Bug #404861 , why have the "Affects me too" when it has no use? isnt it better to remove it than it having it as a decoy?
[21:39] <intellectronica> mac_v: why do you think that it doesn't have a use? you can sort bug searches by it and you can get the numbers using the api
[21:41] <mac_v> hmm... ok
[21:41] <mac_v> but i dont think it would become a voting system when a counter is used
[21:42] <intellectronica> mac_v: i'm not sure i entirely disagree with you :) but that's the way it's designed and how it's going to stay, at least for now
[21:43] <mac_v> ;)
[21:49] <hggdh> mac_v, have you tried Brian?
[21:49] <hggdh> (on the apport thing)
[21:50] <mac_v> hggdh: i think he is now looking into it
[21:50] <hggdh> k
[22:55] <jaypipes> anybody know anything about Launchpad returning "not a branch" errors for branches when pulling branches that are clearly on Launchpad? :(
[22:56] <beuno> jaypipes, URL?
[22:56] <jamone> anyone know why I'm getting this error when running rocketfuel-setup? make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop. ERROR: Unable to install apache config appropriately
[22:57] <jaypipes> beuno: Well, I've got this branch here: https://code.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/drizzle/captain
[22:57] <jaypipes> beuno: and bzr branching says "Not a branch"... same with bzr pull in an existing branch from there... :(
[22:58] <jamone> this is the 2nd time I tried running rocketfuel-setup. The first died with this: Making local branch of Launchpad trunk, this may take a while...Got a 200 response when asking for multiple ranges, does your server at bazaar.launchpad.net:80 support range requests? bzr: ERROR: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/.bzr/repository/packs/1d0252d21c3632af79515b5e8c497c15.pack is redirected to https://launchpad.net
[22:58] <jamone> ERROR: Unable to create local copy of Rocketfuel trunk
[22:58] <mkanat> gmb: Hey hey. Everything going okay with the Bugzilla integration?
[22:58] <wgrant> jamone: It's probable that you have an evil proxy in between you and Launchpad.
[22:59] <beuno> jaypipes, odd, it works well here. Could yuo pastebin the last lines of you ~/.bzr.log?
[22:59] <jamone> wgrant: Ok I'll try it from home tonight
[22:59] <wgrant> jamone: Good idea.
[22:59] <jamone> wgrant: thanks
[23:04] <jaypipes> beuno: yep, one sec. ythx
[23:06] <jaypipes> beuno: http://pastebin.flamingspork.com/75
[23:06] <jaypipes> beuno: I'm getting same error on Solaris and MacOSX.
[23:07] <beuno> hrm
[23:07] <beuno> thumper, lifeless, ^
[23:07] <jaypipes> beuno: both are at bzr 1.16.1
[23:07] <wgrant> jaypipes: That should work, but try replacing 'code' in the url with 'bazaar'
[23:07] <jaypipes> lbieber: hola
[23:07] <wgrant> That used to work, though.
[23:07] <beuno> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/drizzle/captain/ 404s
[23:07] <wgrant> Uhm.
[23:07] <beuno> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/drizzle/captain/ works
[23:08] <wgrant> uWha?
[23:08] <lbieber> jaypipes:  hey
[23:08] <beuno> er
[23:08] <beuno> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/drizzle/captain/
[23:08] <jaypipes> beuno: ?
[23:08] <beuno> that works
[23:08] <beuno> argh, copy n paste fail
[23:08] <jaypipes> but code doesn't?
[23:08] <beuno> code works
[23:08] <beuno> and bazaar.* doesn't
[23:08] <beuno> there's something wrong there
[23:08] <jaypipes> I tried code.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/drizzle/captain and same thing :(
[23:09] <beuno> spm, any known issues  ^^
[23:09] <wgrant> Branch rewrite thing is still broken, yay!
[23:09] <spm> looking....
[23:10] <jaypipes> wgrant: maybe not...looks like code.launchpad.net isn't redirected (at least not in .bzr.log) and is returning a Not a branch error...see pastebin above.
[23:10] <beuno> jaypipes, as a work around, if you authenticate (bzr launchpad-login USERNAME), you should be able to interact with it
[23:11] <jaypipes> beuno: unfortunately, Solaris won't allow bzr+ssh on that darn box. :( I keep getting problems with that and have to use https
[23:11] <beuno> jaypipes, sftp?
[23:11] <jaypipes> beuno: hmm, lemme check that...
[23:11] <beuno> jaypipes, while spm fixes everything    :)
[23:11] <spm> ahh. I see the problem. this is an easy fix. one sec.
[23:13] <jaypipes> beuno: doh! http://pastebin.flamingspork.com/76
[23:13] <jaypipes> spm: cheers mate
[23:13] <beuno> jaypipes, looks like a subunit problem in that traceback though
[23:14] <beuno> jaypipes, try running that with --no-plugins
[23:14]  * beuno doesn't give up
[23:14] <jaypipes> beuno: k, one sec
[23:15] <jaypipes> beuno: :( same resuilt
[23:15] <beuno> grrrr
[23:15] <beuno> ok, lets wait for spm then
[23:17] <spm> beuno: jaypipes: that should be fixed now
[23:29] <jaypipes> spm: checking now. cheers!
[23:29] <jaypipes> spm: you rock. thx mate!
[23:29] <jaypipes> beuno: thx for the help!
[23:29] <spm> np. sorry bout that. was an oversight on our part.
[23:30] <beuno> jaypipes, thanks for the report
[23:32] <jaypipes> no worries :)
[23:39] <poolie> hello beuno
[23:39] <poolie> beuno, i saw mnuzum's mail about web design work
[23:39] <poolie> is that at all related to our thing with ej?
[23:39] <beuno> poolie, hi
[23:39] <beuno> no, not at all
[23:40] <beuno> I got back a design today, wasn't 100% happy with it, and requested some changes
[23:40] <beuno> you should get something in your inbox by tomorrow
[23:43] <poolie> oh ok
[23:43] <poolie> so it's unblocked?
[23:43] <poolie> and i shouldn't bother replying to him?
[23:45] <beuno> poolie, correct
[23:47] <beuno> poolie, the design has been outsourced  :)
[23:53] <poolie> k
[23:54] <cesar_bo> Anyone has setup his people.ubuntu.com account?
[23:56] <Ampelbein> cesar_bo: me.
[23:57] <cesar_bo> Ampelbein, I had all the requirements, trying<EMAIL_ADDRESS>doesn't work, have any tips
[23:57] <cesar_bo> Ampelbein, by the way this is my launchad account https://launchpad.net/~mariocesar/
[23:59] <Ampelbein> cesar_bo: you are not a ubuntu member. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/ for info how to become one.


[03:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#4415 opened: chore: update Python version metadata <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4415>
[03:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#4416 opened: chore: fix ruff format tox environment <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4416>
[04:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#4417 opened: chore(deps): update ruff to 0.1.1 and fix lint issues <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4417>
[06:22] <phr34k> hi is there anybody here? I have some questions about installation hooks.
[06:50] <mup> PR snapd#13280 closed: wrappers: restructure service code, and split into an internal package <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13280>
[08:16] <mup> PR core20#144 closed: Add cracklib cache <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/144>
[08:46] <mup> PR snapd#13318 closed: seed/seedwriter,image: prereq check strategy change to use snap.ValidateBasesAndProviders <Squash-merge> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13318>
[09:07] <flurick> Hello hello. I tried bumping up a package version tag in the snapcrafters github repo a while back, but it did not "rebuild" I guess?
[11:36] <mup> PR snapd#13322 opened: Revert "i/b/microceph: allow more access for microceph-support (#13150)" <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13322>
[15:02] <mup> PR snapd#13310 closed: tests: fix interfaces-content test by clearing snap cache <Test Robustness> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13310>
[16:02] <mup> PR snapd#13322 closed: revert i/b/microceph: allow more access for microceph-support (#13150) <Simple 😃> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13322>
[16:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#4418 opened: fix(remote-build) exponential backoff to LaunchpadClient `_lp_load_url` <Created by mz2> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4418>
[16:12] <mup> PR snapd#13323 opened: o/snapstate: try to make the check-rerefresh summary cleaner/clearer <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13323>
[16:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#4415 closed: chore: update Python version metadata <Created by lengau> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4415>
[16:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#4419 opened: cli: catch craft-provider errors <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4419>
[16:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#4420 opened: ci: pin pyright <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4420>
[17:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#4416 closed: style: fix ruff format tox environment <Created by lengau> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4416>
[20:48] <mup> PR snapd#13319 closed: tests: avoid downloading twice pc-kernel <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13319>
[22:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#4420 closed: ci: pin pyright <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4420>


[20:44] <coconut> Dunno if someone is available, but "<gh0st`>" is behaving offtopic in #ubuntu. (not the worst type though)
[20:45] <coconut> It is his second episode btw
[20:46] <coconut> thanks tomreyn ;)
[21:06] <tomreyn> coconut: sorry to say so, but this wasn't actually in response to your request. but i'm glad that's also covered. ;-) if you don't have another, would you mind parting again?
[21:07] <coconut> yeah, sure :)  ## onto next time tom


[01:00] <xu-irc24w> Good evening, folks. Having some trouble understanding where multiple monitor layout configurations are stored. Seems like there's a million different answers to this question.
[01:01] <xu-irc24w> In xfce, the display-settings application can be used to correct the monitor layout, but in i3wm, I'm not seeing where this config is located? Using Nvidia-settings wants to save to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but that file doesn't exist. Is there a correct answer for where monitor resolution and layout information is supposed to be stored?
[01:05] <Bashing-om> xu-irc24w: Have a look here: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.conf .
[01:09] <xu-irc24w> Thanks for your help. I see a 10-nvidia.conf file but it doesn't contain a display configuration.
[01:19] <Bashing-om> xu-irc24w: Sorry - not able to be much more help - no experience with multi-monitors :(
[01:20] <xu-irc24w> Actually, I think you're on to something.
[01:21] <xu-irc24w> Checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows that directory is being checked, but the config is incomplete. I may need to drop the nvidia config in there manually.
[01:22] <Bashing-om> xu-irc24w: \o/ ^ worth a shot - back up what you have before editing - makes a revert so much easier :D
[03:41] <xu-irc24w> Follow up on my last question about setting up display layouts.
[03:41] <xu-irc24w> The correct answer is the run the xrandr command in the i3 config file using exec.
[03:42] <xu-irc24w> *is to ru
[03:42] <xu-irc24w> xinitrc, xorg.conf, etc. are not being used in Ubuntu distros these days.
[03:42] <xu-irc24w> Even lightdm.conf is gone. So it has to be done somewhere else.
[18:56] <Grutsch> hello
[18:57] <Grutsch> is their a way to install a program that would allow me to talk to people on facebook like messenger
[20:28] <icemage> why does my screen go dark after idle
[20:28] <icemage> after i told it not to
[21:42] <nots> a


[18:48] <pinnerup> Så er der installeret bionisk bæver her.
[19:36] <Ubuntubruger3> ?spørgsmål Hi, I have a problem with booting my system. can anyone help?


[02:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have any experience making apt-cacher-ng cache custom repos? like a ppa?
[03:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: nvm, figured it out
[04:59] <Mirv> sitter: re; qtscript the packaging branch is still at 5.3.2 and requires no changes besides version bumps. if it worked before, maybe you didn't bump the build deps before or something? (s/5.3.2/5.4.0/ in debian/control would lead to 5.4.0+dfsg qtbase dependencies)
[06:59] <bukai> Good Morning!
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[08:07] <sitter> Mirv: with the not updated branches I do absolutely nothing as jenkins enforces order ^^
[08:07] <sitter> most peculiar
[08:10] <sitter> aha!
[08:10] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtscript.git/commit/?h=experimental&id=97fb9702ddc5e9cd1a122d8793de3e0f0307a2ef
[08:10] <sitter> all mitya57's fault xD
[08:24] <sitter> ah yeah, I used the git version because we have a conflicting patch in launchpad
[08:24] <sitter> Mirv: do you by any chance already have something to push for qtscript?
[08:32] <Mirv> sitter: well I have a local diff I can push. I'm not going to need it myself now that I can sync qtscript 5.4.0+dfsg-1 from debian experimental instead.
[08:32] <sitter> Mirv: nevermind then
[08:33] <sitter> I just made a branch on debian git. good enough for now
[08:33] <Mirv> ok, sounds good
[09:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[09:29] <Riddell> hi bukai
[09:35] <bukai>  Hi, I am very confused now. I asked ovidiu-florin  for setting up wordpress he asked me to install it on some other private server what do I do?
[09:35] <bukai> Riddell: ^^
[09:40] <Riddell> set it up on that test2 domain I made
[09:41] <sitter> and of course plasma5 isn't starting with qt5.4 anymore
[09:43] <Riddell> uh oh
[09:43] <Riddell> does other stuff?
[09:43] <Riddell> most of the plasma devs use qt5.4
[09:54] <sitter>             if (d.n == 0) {
[09:54] <sitter> why use names when you can use letters
[10:10] <sitter> bad feeling I have
[10:17] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549049/
[10:19] <Riddell> dlopen, I've no idea how to debug that
[10:19] <Riddell> except recompile everything and hope it helps
[10:19] <Riddell> but then why would it if it's all binary compatible
[10:19] <yofel> plugin ABI mismatch?
[10:22] <sitter> that would be very scary
[10:22] <sitter> I only switched out qt5.4 core pieces that were required to make the packaging ABI dependencies resolved
[10:24] <sitter> so either there is a problem with the ABI tracking magic or 5.4 has a BIC or a framework leaks private qt symbols through its own API
[10:24] <sitter> none of them explain why it would crash on kStoreUmask though
[10:24] <sitter> and yet rebuilding kdelibs4support fixes it
[10:27] <sitter> Q_CONSTRUCTOR_FUNCTION
[10:28] <sitter> could be that this changed
[10:28] <sitter> Q_CONSTRUCTOR_FUNCTION(kStoreUmask)
[10:28] <sitter> other than that kstoreUmask is a posix function operating on pod statics
[10:31] <sitter> hasn't changed in 2 years -.-
[10:42] <sitter> Mirv: please add kdelibs4support to the nochange rebuild upload list
[10:47] <sitter> plasma-nm also has flaky symbols
[10:47] <sitter> -.-
[10:48] <Mirv> sitter: hmm, why it'd need a rebuild? it does not seem to depend on the private headers and does not depend on qtbase-abi-5-3-2 or qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-2 -> it should just work? or was it that you have some different behavior anyhow #ifdef:d in there?
[10:48] <Mirv> sitter: bug #1395651 :)
[10:49] <Mirv> sitter: I'm reading the backlog..
[10:49] <Mirv> that's quite weird + unfortunate behavior..
[10:50] <sitter> yeah, not sure how to debug it either
[10:50] <Mirv> I can add a new section "rebuild for weird reasons" for now in the Qt stack document
[10:50] <sitter> Mirv: sounds good
[10:50] <Mirv> we haven't noticed such needs in the past with 5.3.0/5.3.2 migrations though
[10:51] <sitter> kf5.kded: Could not load KDED module "networkmanagement" : "Cannot load library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kded_networkmanagement.so: (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5KDELibs4Support.so.5: undefined symbol: _Z20qMessageFormatString9QtMsgTypeRK18QMessageLogContextRK7QString)" (tried plugins named: ("networkmanagement", "kded_networkmanagement") )
[10:51] <sitter> that's somewaht more interesting
[10:51] <sitter> perhaps that ultimately is why ksmserver crashes as well
[10:53] <Mirv> notably though with 5.4.0 I haven't gotten to run unity8 yet so I wouldn't yet know if there's something evil lurking now with 5.4.0
[10:54] <sitter> oh actually
[10:55] <sitter> Mirv: check out the symbol retractions here https://launchpadlibrarian.net/192781773/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.plasma-framework_5.5.0%2Bgit20141216.1359%2B14.10-0ubuntu0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:55] <sitter> it seems a bit odd that these symbols would show up in plasma-framework at all
[10:59] <sitter> shadeslayer, Riddell: one of you available right now?
[11:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:00] <shadeslayer> ssup
[11:01] <sitter> shadeslayer: please run for f in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5*.so; do echo $f; objdump -tT $f | grep "_Z20qMessageFormatString9QtMsgTypeRK18QMessageLogContextRK7QString"; done
[11:01] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549427/
[11:01] <sitter> thanks
[11:01] <sitter> Mirv: core lost a symbol :O
[11:01] <shadeslayer> yw
[11:02] <shadeslayer> fun
[11:02] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549433/ that's mine with 5.4
[11:02] <sitter> shadeslayer: see, there's another reason why we should CI qt :P
[11:03] <Mirv> sitter: right, I can see that. that's ugly indeed.
[11:04] <shadeslayer> jebus
[11:05] <Mirv> the 5.4 transition might get a bit ugly then
[11:05] <shadeslayer> sitter: one would think Qt has ABI breakage checking
[11:05] <sitter> one would assume KDE has it...
[11:05] <shadeslayer> in their own CI
[11:05] <shadeslayer> sitter: sure, they're called packagers
[11:10] <sitter> e968793e81ffcb439210e7eb422c0063834cfdc9
[11:12] <sitter> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/e968793e81ffcb439210e7eb422c0063834cfdc9
[11:13] <sitter> the qustion is how or why a random exported symbol got to show up in kdelibs4support at all
[11:15] <sitter> ./src/kdecore/kdebug.cpp:extern Q_CORE_EXPORT QString qMessageFormatString(QtMsgType type, const QMessageLogContext & context,
[11:15] <sitter> ./src/kdecore/kdebug.cpp:    return qMessageFormatString(type, context, str);
[11:15] <sitter> WHAT THE FUCK
[11:15]  * sitter shakes head
[11:17] <sitter> Mirv: there's your reason for why it broke. it's a one-time 5.4.0 rebuild ... kdelibs4support with qt<=5.3 externs a function exported but not "headered" by qtcore thus doing implicit private api usage
[11:18] <Mirv> sitter: whee... anyhow, if this is now limited to kdelibs4support the world still has hope
[11:19] <Mirv> I'll keep the "weird" section of the needs-rebuilds just for that, though
[11:19] <sitter> weird sounds like an understatement now that I know why it breaks, but yeah ^^
[11:24] <sitter> mhhh, running startkde in fluxbox, the only real way to start a proper plasma instance \o/
[11:39] <Riddell> sitter: dare I ask how qca is getting on?
[11:39] <sitter> backburner
[11:39] <sitter> I need to send a mail polling opinions though
[11:39] <sitter> actually let me do that right now before I forget again
[11:40] <sitter> Riddell: what's the new packager list?
[11:40] <Riddell> I dare say okteta will live without it
[11:40] <Riddell> sitter: what new packager list?
[11:40] <Riddell> hi Neo31!
[11:40] <sitter><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:40] <sitter>  :P
[11:40] <Riddell> oh, no idea what that thing is for
[11:40] <Riddell> we get rid of one silly list and replace it with another
[11:41] <Riddell> maybe you can give it purpose
[11:43] <Neo31> hi Riddell
[11:43] <Neo31> :)
[11:43] <Neo31> how r u today
[11:46] <Riddell> Neo31: all good
[11:46] <Riddell> Neo31: are you able to do some testing for alpha 1 today?
[11:48] <sitter> Riddell: no, I decided that distro is not relevant enough :P
[11:48] <sitter> but yeah, the new list I found  a bit weird
[11:48] <sitter> last I followed the discussion the idea was to use release-team which seemed like a suitable place to discuss distro things
[11:48] <sitter> but oh well
[11:57] <Neo31> not sure for tonight but probably i will get one hour at least
[11:58] <Neo31> that's in 9 hours from now, when I am setup at home
[11:58] <Neo31> Riddell, i have vivid already installed, all i need to to is apt update & upgrade then do some testing ?
[12:00] <Riddell> Neo31: nope needs full installs (can be on virtual machines or real)
[12:00] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[12:00] <kranzer> hi Riddell
[12:00] <Neo31> so i need to start downloading the daily iso ?
[12:00] <kranzer> Riddell: I'm starting doing task
[12:00] <kranzer> Riddell: I downloaded all stuff yesterday
[12:00] <Riddell> Neo31: yep please :)
[12:01] <Riddell> kranzer: great
[12:01] <kranzer> Riddell: I'll use Oracle Virtual box
[12:01] <Neo31> i'm on it Riddell  ;)
[12:02] <Neo31> downloading from here Riddell http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ?
[12:03] <kranzer> Riddell: so
[12:03] <kranzer> Riddell: I just need to install it and use, don't I?
[12:06] <Riddell> kranzer: yep, install in the various different scenarios
[12:06] <kranzer> Riddell: what scenarios?
[12:07] <Riddell> manual partitioning, full disk, resize disk, disk with lvm etc, listed on  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds/85671/testcases
[12:07] <Riddell> don't be afraid of duplicating tests, my testing does count as I'm the release manager and testing your own stuff is always prone to failure
[12:08] <Riddell> and you can duplicate each other, the most tests the better
[12:08] <kranzer> Riddell: I can install only x86 version
[12:09] <Riddell> kranzer: no amd64 machine?
[12:10] <kranzer> Riddell: virtualbox allows only x86
[12:11] <Riddell> kranzer: that'll be the case if you have a 32 bit install yes
[12:11] <Riddell> then concentrate on i386 and Neo31 can concentrate on amd64
[12:12] <kranzer> Riddell: could you give me link of testcases for i386?
[12:15] <Riddell> kranzer: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[12:17] <macstar> guys there is something wrong the ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable .... when i manually add this to a kde4 based kubuntu 14.10 and then do a dist-upgrade and upgrade it installs only the libs but not the plasma desktop
[12:18] <Riddell> macstar: it's for vivid only
[12:18] <macstar> riddell since when? i remember a few weeks back i ran 14.10 in vbox with the plasma next daily updates
[12:18]  * Riddell lunches
[12:20] <sitter> you really should not add unstable
[12:20] <sitter> at all
[12:20] <macstar> but i am trying this in virtualbox and want to hape it as up2date as possible to do some bug reports maybe
[12:21] <sitter> unstable breaks every other day
[12:21] <sitter> so unless you know how to recover broken packages you really should use unstable-daily for testing
[12:22] <macstar> sitter so what would you recommand then?
[12:22] <sitter> what I just wrote
[12:23] <macstar> that i should use unstable-daily... but i am doing this with kubuntu-ci/unstable or am i wrong?
[12:23] <sitter> there's 3 ppas
[12:24] <macstar> https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext
[12:24] <macstar> there for daily builds it only links to ci
[12:24]  * sitter sighs
[12:25] <sitter> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Continuous_Integration_.28CI.29
[12:25] <macstar> now that makes sense ty sitter
[12:28] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning all
[12:32] <kranzer> Riddell: one done!)
[13:25] <kranzer> Riddell: everything's tested
[13:25] <kranzer> Riddell: no problems at all
[13:30] <kranzer> Riddell: what should I attach to melange?
[13:44] <Riddell> kranzer: Non-English Live Session & Installation ?
[13:51] <kranzer> Riddell: I did kubuntu-desktop
[13:51] <kranzer> Riddell: not kubuntu-desktop-extra
[13:51] <Riddell> kranzer: how do you mean?
[13:52] <kranzer> Riddell: type: mandatory
[13:54] <kranzer> Riddell: like this http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds/85672/testcases/1301/results
[13:55] <Riddell> kranzer: would be great if you can do Non-English Live Session & Installation too
[13:56] <Riddell> ignore Live (netbook) that's not valid any more
[13:57] <soee> can someone givce link to isos testcases ?
[13:57] <kranzer> So, I need to install it again, don't I?
[13:58] <Riddell> soee: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[13:58] <Riddell> kranzer: yep
[13:58] <kranzer> Riddell: okay but first I need to do some maths
[14:00] <soee> valorie: hiho, did you had time to work on the content for "Contribute" page ?
[14:17] <kranzer> Riddell: okay, I have installed it, and everything is ok)
[14:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what did I break?
[14:21] <Riddell> this doesn't sound like me
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kscreen branches et all
[14:22] <shadeslayer> in debian git repo
[14:22] <shadeslayer> can't merge master into kubuntu_unstable
[14:22] <shadeslayer> that's what sitter says
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's holding up Debian CI :(
[14:23] <shadeslayer> I could cherry-pick the relevant commit from master
[14:23] <shadeslayer> sitter: ^^
[14:24] <sitter> wtf
[14:24] <sitter> just merge it
[14:24] <shadeslayer> I have conflicts
[14:24] <shadeslayer> and shitty ones at that
[14:26] <shadeslayer> sitter: ok, fixed
[14:31] <kranzer> Riddell: are you here?
[14:33] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[14:35] <kranzer> Riddell: I did non-english one
[14:36] <Riddell> kranzer: was evening in the right language after install?
[14:38] <kranzer> evening?
[14:38] <kranzer> maybe everything?
[14:38] <Riddell> kranzer: yes, was everything in the right language after install?
[14:38] <kranzer> yes
[14:39] <Riddell> great, that's a pass
[14:39] <kranzer> Riddell: I tried russian
[14:40] <Riddell> kranzer: you can't do any amd64 tests?
[14:40] <kranzer> Riddell: no, I can't(
[14:41] <Riddell> kranzer: can you take a screenshot of the russian install? just something for melange
[14:42] <Riddell> ah you added a url, I'll close it
[14:42] <Riddell> great, thanks
[14:42] <kranzer> Riddell: thanks)
[14:43] <kranzer> Riddell: are there other tasks?
[14:45] <Riddell> not currently sorry
[14:45] <Riddell> make an alpha 1 page for vivid? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[14:46] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[14:46] <Riddell> equivalent
[14:46] <Riddell> but saying it's all plasma 5 now, woo
[14:46] <Riddell> complete with screenshots
[14:47] <Riddell> kbroulik: sorry I need to leave now, let me know if you want that one
[14:47] <kbroulik> I guess you meant kranzer? :D
[14:49] <Riddell> mm yes sorry
[14:50]  * Riddell out
[15:24] <Neo31> sorry internet went down
[15:24] <Neo31> Riddell, i have the iso already, should i use the iso tracker for testing or follow other stuff?
[15:36] <Riddell> Neo31: yes please report on iso tracker
[15:38] <Neo31> ok Riddell thx
[17:03]  * Riddell out for evening
[20:48] <mparillo> Riddell: kranzer: I took a start at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/VividVervet/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[20:48] <Riddell> mparillo: ooh great
[20:57] <Sergobot> Riddell: can you add a task for updating packages in repositories?
[20:59] <Sergobot> Riddell: Hello :)
[21:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: any package in mind?
[21:12] <Sergobot> Riddell: no
[21:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: calligra 2.9 beta needs doing
[21:13] <Sergobot> Riddell: can you create a GCI task for it?
[21:16] <Riddell> Sergobot: done
[21:16] <Riddell> will need to wait for valorie or someone else to approve it
[21:16] <Riddell> https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/edit/google/gci2014/5853249311604736?validated
[21:16] <Riddell> but you can start if you wish
[21:17] <Sergobot> Riddell: okay
[21:18] <Neo31> hello Riddell
[21:18] <Riddell> hi Neo31  how did testing go?
[21:20] <Neo31> I started testing on two Kubuntu 14.04 machines using virtualbox and i got an error related to virtualbox/kubuntu
[21:21] <Neo31> it shows a broken screen of colors when booting, then i have to hit host+F2 then host+F1 to get the graphics running correctly and proceed with the install
[21:21] <Neo31> where can I report such a bug Riddell ?
[21:22] <Neo31> one VM in doing entire disk test with updates, the other doing the same without updates (still in progress)
[21:23] <mparillo> Neo31: Could you bug be similar to: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340966
[21:23] <mparillo> That is my upstream version of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1362631
[21:25] <Riddell> mparillo: 14.04lts should be 14.10 for upgrades on alpha 1 page
[21:27] <Riddell> mparillo: link to bugs is utopic one and list of bugs are utopic ones, grab the new vivid link at qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[21:27] <Riddell> and the new bugs
[21:27] <Riddell> although would be good to triage the utopic ones to see which apply to vivid
[21:29] <Neo31> mparillo, no i don't even have to touch anything on a virtualbox VM it crashes without maximizing anything, but if i do the workaround it shows up correctly
[21:29] <Neo31> after the workaround everything is fine on virtualbox, i can maximize and everything...
[21:32] <Neo31> so mparillo Riddell on which platform i need to search for the bug please? bugs.kde.org or where exactly ?
[21:32] <Neo31> I will add the details on reproducing it
[21:34] <genii> Hm, updates to sddm aren't seeing there has been manual changes to /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup and just wipe it out.
[21:34] <Riddell> Neo31: I really don't know it could be anywhere of X, virtualbox, kde, plasma , qt :(
[21:34] <Sergobot> Riddell: should I write in changelog file vivid or utopic?
[21:36] <yofel> genii: needs to be marked as conffile for it to do that
[21:37] <yofel> why's that in /usr/share anyway -.-
[21:38] <genii> yofel: It's the only place I could reasonably find in sddm to turn off extra monitors before starting ( with xrandr)
[21:44] <genii> It would be easier if it honoured xinitrc or xsession settings in it's own home dir but it doesn't.
[21:46] <yofel> it's own home dir? You mean the users, or...?
[21:49] <genii> yofel: It's own, yes. The idea here is I want to turn off screen spanning for sddm, but not for users
[21:50] <genii> yofel: If I put the xrandr commands needed into /var/lib/sddm  .xinitrc or xsession, they are not executed
[21:50] <Neo31> Riddell, I don't know on what platform to report bugs for KDE5 and plasma
[21:57] <yofel> Neo31: plasma bugs go to bugs.kde.org
[21:57] <Riddell> Sergobot: vivid
[21:59] <yofel> lets see if I can get vivid+ci to crash
[22:01] <yofel> no, but that VM also has the vbox x11 driver installed
[22:02] <Neo31> thx yofel
[22:02] <yofel> FWIW, the crash that I can reproduce is the one from kde 340966
[22:06] <mparillo> yofel: Thank you. There was some confusion on the notes to that bug, but it seems to be resolved in 5.1.2 (not 5.3.2). Is that an easy way to see when that lands in Vivid?
[22:11] <yofel> give me a minute to check whether it's the driver that matters or the fact that I have updated plasma and kscreen snapshots from CI
[22:13] <yofel> ok, the driver was already installed, so it's indeed fixed in the CI snapshots
[22:25] <yofel> mparillo: should be fixed in 5.1.2 from what I see, and that's in vivid-proposed
[22:29] <Neo31> Riddell, when i'm not sure the bug is related to which product exactly should I still report it and put in on iso tracker?


[12:08] <artnay> bug 1006079 - should this be assigned to someone who takes care of help.ubuntu.com?
[12:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1006079 in ubuntu-docs "Use up-to-date translations at https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006079


[03:01] <Unit193> sarnold: Poooke.
[10:35] <didrocks> bdmurray: hey! So, I expanded a little bit on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1774597/comments/9, I would like to know in particular what do you think about the way to fix the first bug, promoting as a SRU apport-noui to main and seed it or moving the unit files?
[11:26] <bluesabre> Any core devs interested in sponsoring this gvfs upload? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1762595
[11:28] <bluesabre> infinity: would you be interested in reviewing our merges for Xubuntu Base/Core? https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347414, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-base/+merge/347319, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-base/+merge/347320
[13:31] <GunnarHj> Hi mvo, I'd like to call your attention to bug #1758684. First I thought that LP was broken somehow, but - as wgrant explained - the problem is that the number of strings in the POT varies between the builds for respective architecture. So the POT build when uploading is simply not reliable; it fails more often than not.
[13:51] <cpaelzer> Skuggen: hi a question - https://github.com/mysql/mysql-server/blob/8.0/scripts/mysqldumpslow.sh#L66 needs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/819535/comments/6
[13:52] <cpaelzer> Skuggen: I wonder what the best path is to submit that, and rbasak recommended to ping you
[13:52] <cpaelzer> should I do a PR for it on github, or a report in their bugzilla (need Oracle id :-/) or ... ?
[14:26] <mvo> GunnarHj: aha, thank you! let me look at this
[14:52] <GunnarHj> mvo: Yeah, please do. ;) I have tried to fix it manually a few times, but that's not a sustainable model.. And the with the latest bionic upload none of the architectures seems to have produced a complete POT.
[14:56] <mvo> GunnarHj: aha, so the problem is that this is not properly sorted? the pot?
[15:13] <GunnarHj> mvo: Don't think it is about sorting. Every upload results in multiple build, one for each architecture, and each build generates a POT. AFAIU those POTs ought to be identical, but they are not. You may want to take a look at the latest tarballs with stripped translations:
[15:13] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=snapd_2.33.1
[15:17] <nacc> bluesabre: i can try and look today
[15:18] <mvo> GunnarHj: aha, I see, it looks like the i386 version is very short for some reason
[15:19] <mvo> GunnarHj: thanks again, I see that one set of files in ~40k and the other 9kb so something is wrong, I dig into it
[15:22] <GunnarHj> mvo: Right, that's it. And furthermore, unless you dropped dozens of translatable strings in 2.33, I don't think that any of those tarballs contains a complete POT with all strings which ought to be there.
[15:23] <mvo> GunnarHj: yeah, its strange when I run this locally it seems to be fine
[15:24] <mvo> GunnarHj: I need to dig a bit harder. I also wonder if its always the same architecture that has not enough data
[15:24] <mvo> GunnarHj: or if it is random
[15:25] <GunnarHj> mvo: It's certainly random. (I thoght otherwise first.)
[15:29] <GunnarHj> mvo: So I withdraw my suggestion in comment #19 in the bug report.
[15:30] <mvo> GunnarHj: yeah, I think we need to get to the bototm of this, is it only happening on 18.04+?
[15:36] <GunnarHj> mvo: Don't know. Have only looked at 18.04, but I suppose we have reasons to fear that it's not limited to that.
[16:02] <mvo> GunnarHj: I added two snapd PRs to attack the issue #5404 and 5402
[16:48] <tsimonq2> smoser: What's your UTC offset, out of curiosity?
[16:48] <tsimonq2> Because if you have the time right now, I'd like to talk about ssh-import-id.
[16:52] <smoser> ah. tsimonq2 i am US/Eastern (-0400)
[16:52] <smoser> sure. we can chat now.
[16:53] <tsimonq2> smoser: Ah, nice, I'm US/Central.
[16:55] <tsimonq2> smoser: So to get this straight, doesn't Launchpad 404 even when you're trying to get team SSH keys?
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Ah, no, I'm wrong.
[16:58] <tsimonq2> smoser: Your implementation in fetch_keys_lp LGTM. I'm just wondering about the best way to recursively do teams.
[16:58] <mnaumann> hi. would you say it is expected that gnupg2 crashes when you try to encrypt to an ecdsa key on 16.04.4?
[16:59] <smoser> tsimonq2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vYmCHSFXZM/
[16:59] <tsimonq2> smoser: Right.
[16:59] <smoser> the one thing i'm not sure of ... don't have a user without ssh keys, is if you can tell the difference between valid-group and user-with-no-keys
[17:00] <tsimonq2> Perhaps from there we could fall back to launchpadlib.
[17:00] <tsimonq2> But, iff there's no keys fetchable via the way already implemented.
[17:01] <tsimonq2> (So existing users wouldn't have the overhead.)
[17:01] <smoser> well, thats what i had originally suggested. that we could do that.
[17:01] <smoser> but will your MP do recursive groups ?
[17:02] <tsimonq2> Mine doesn't. In order to do that, we would need to implement a system to continue down the recursive chain and avoid duplicates (and eliminate duplicate LP usernames).
[17:03] <tsimonq2> We could probably use a set or something like that for the individual usernames... then when we scan a group, put it in a list.
[17:03] <tsimonq2> The only question would be how to correctly avoid duplicate group scans.
[17:05] <smoser> well, one level of groups is not terribly useful, right?
[17:05] <tsimonq2> Right.
[17:06] <smoser> and yeah, duplicate group membership is kind of a pain. and my 'path' suggestion is overly simplistic in that regard
[17:06] <smoser> the reason i was thinking that way was
[17:06] <smoser> a.) there is a bug open for "trimming" removed entries .. in order to do that we have to know how an entry got in there.
[17:07] <tsimonq2> (Got a link for that ooc?)
[17:07] <smoser> b.) if you import a group and all you got was the group name as a marker there, it isn't that useful
[17:08] <tsimonq2> Oh, right.
[17:08] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ssh-import-id/+bug/1745541
[17:10] <tsimonq2> For the comment aspect of this... maybe the comment could contain every way the key was added (how the person was pulled in), and on calling remove, if removing all comment listings for that entry, delete the whole key, otherwise keep the key and the remaining references.
[17:11] <tsimonq2> For example, let's say I added my key to a server, I add ~lubuntu-dev, but I then want to remove ~lubuntu-dev. It shouldn't pull my key with it in the removal command.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> This seems a bit hacky, but when recursively scanning teams we could keep two variables: a set for the teams searched (and searching of the set before adding a team) and a dictionary of people with the teams that correspond to each person.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> When the scanning is done, we could take the latter variable and add the keys with the appropriate references.
[17:14] <tsimonq2> smoser: How does that sound?
[17:14] <smoser> i'd thought of that, but it will get long possibly.
[17:16] <smoser> i think your suggestion is sane.
[17:16] <smoser> i'm ok though to first blush justput the group/user name there and improve on it later
[17:16] <smoser> but i really want to have the user name that it came from
[17:18] <tsimonq2> So the case where I add ~ubuntu-core-dev, add ~lubuntu-dev, then want to remove ~lubuntu-dev without it removing ~ubuntu-core-dev with it?
[17:18] <tsimonq2> That's a good point.
[17:18] <tsimonq2> Let's some up with some comment syntax...
[17:20] <tsimonq2> Maybe something like this: # ssh-import-id lp:tsimonq2;~ubuntu-dev;~motu (this is in the case that somebody added ~ubuntu-dev)
[17:20] <tsimonq2> So, username, original username added, then what team it's pulled in as a part of...
[17:22] <smoser> that just gets long though. i'm willing to sovle that at the po int where we attempt to do removal
[17:22] <smoser> you dont have to bite all that off now
[17:23] <tsimonq2> I think once we add support for adding them, there should be support for removing them, right?
[17:25] <tsimonq2> (And if anything though, I don't know if the reason for pulling it in even matters... maybe something like # ssh-import-id lp:tsimonq2 ~ubuntu-dev;~lubuntu-dev;etc. would work better.)
[17:25] <smoser> tsimonq2: well there is no support for removing anything right now
[17:26] <tsimonq2> Yes there is. `ssh-import-id -r tsimonq2` works fine for me.
[17:26] <smoser> oh. i didnt remembre that ;)
[17:27] <tsimonq2> np :D
[17:29] <smoser> it seems reasonably defensible for '-r' to apply only to the way the user was added i think
[17:29] <smoser> ie, ssh-import-id lubuntu-dev
[17:29] <tsimonq2> Right, which is why I proposed the second scheme
[17:29] <smoser> adds tsimonq, so -r lubuntu-dev would remove all of those
[17:30] <tsimonq2> It would remove all keys explicitly added by lubuntu-dev.
[17:30] <tsimonq2> However, if I add my own key, then add lubuntu-dev, but then remove lubuntu-dev, my key should stay.
[17:30] <smoser> yeah
[17:31] <tsimonq2> (One thing I'd like to implement after this is merged is refresh support, so someone could do e.g. ssh-import-id --refresh lubuntu-dev and if I add/remove a key from my LP profile, or if a user is added or removed from the team, it would automatically update the client. It would be a very similar thing to this to implement, I think.)
[17:33] <tsimonq2> smoser: Either way, I can come up with an updated MP (or you can, whatever you'd like to do) soon which implements A) the changes you've already made B) support for adding teams, recursively C) properly manipulating the comment (and updating existing entries for consistency).
[17:33] <tsimonq2> Does that sound good to you?
[17:38] <sarnold> Unit193: poke!
[17:38] <sarnold> (finally the best part of facebook, now ported to IRC!)
[17:44] <smoser> tsimonq2: i wont have much time to look at it, but im' happy to review
[17:46] <cjwatson> tsimonq2,smoser: Remember also that if you're iterating over .../members yourself then you're going to need to handle collection batching yourself too, following the next_collection_link URLs.
[17:47] <cjwatson> Assuming that's still your intent.
[17:48] <cjwatson> Try a decent-sized team like ~ubuntumembers as a test case.
[17:48] <tsimonq2> smoser: Thanks!
[17:49] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: I'll look into it, thanks for the pointer.


[07:03] <mborzecki> morning
[07:31] <mup> PR snapd#9819 closed: snap-confine: make host /etc/ssl available for snaps on classic <Needs Samuele review> <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9819>
[07:41] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, i think we should land the errno fix that you have and try to look into cleaning up the errno mess in our code
[07:41] <mborzecki> mvo: maybe it's as simple as having a separate die_with_error(..) that takes explicit errno parameter like we discussed with zyga
[07:55] <mvo> mborzecki: works for me
[07:56] <mvo> mborzecki: thanks for this, I would love to have it in 2.49
[08:01] <pstolowski> morning
[08:03] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[08:05] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:10] <mvo> pstolowski: good morning
[08:21] <mborzecki> hmm why are the unit test results not cached between runs in github
[08:22] <mborzecki> looks like the withbootassetstesting tag adds ~4m of the unit test job as all test get run
[08:23] <mborzecki> hmm same for nosecboot tag
[08:24] <mborzecki> maybe it's because govendor sync runs in between
[08:36] <mup> PR snapd#9837 closed: cmd/snap-repair: filter repair assertions based on bases + modes <Needs Samuele review> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9837>
[13:13] <mup> PR snapd#9848 closed: overlord/devicestate, sysconfig: do nothing when cloud-init is not present <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9848>
[13:38] <pedronis> mborzecki: mvo:  hi, is there a reason why the code in mountedfilesystem.go tends to use VolumeContent instead of LaidOutContent ?
[13:39] <mborzecki> pedronis: because it's a regular filesystem content, one cannot specify its position using start offsets
[13:40] <pedronis> mborzecki: but we could use LaidOutContent, or not?
[13:41] <pedronis> mborzecki: I mean the input is ps         *LaidOutStructure  but then we don't use the LaidOut bits
[13:41] <mborzecki> pedronis: i mean LaidOutContent is defined as having only raw content, we could not be populating it even for a filesystem structure
[13:43] <pedronis> I see
[13:53] <mup> PR snapd#9862 opened: github, run-checks: do not collect coverage data on subsequent test runs <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9862>
[13:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3429 closed: plugins: Pin pip to supported versions <Created by philroche> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3429>
[13:58] <mup> PR snapd#9863 opened: tests: use 6 spread workers for centos8 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9863>
[14:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#3428 closed: plugins v1: Pin pip to supported versions <Created by philroche> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3428>
[14:49] <mborzecki> hmmmm the first run-checks --unit run on my system is ~5m, then with SKIP_COVERAGE i added in 9848, removing secboot & setting the build tag as we do in gothub test workflow it's 20s, but it seems to be different on gh
[14:49] <mborzecki> s/9848/9862/
[15:02] <ijohnson> hmm do we have a way to silence seccomp denials ?
[15:03] <ijohnson> I know we have `deny` for apparmor, but do we have a similar mechanism for seccomp ?
[15:03] <mup> PR snapd#9852 closed: gadget: enable multi-volume uc20 gadgets in  LaidOutSystemVolumeFromGadget; rename too <Bug> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9852>
[15:05]  * cachio lunch
[15:07] <mborzecki> ijohnson: there's log, but that logs ;)
[15:07] <mborzecki> and it's the default iirc
[15:07] <ijohnson> right
[15:07] <mborzecki> ijohnson: i understand you're referring to that sched_setaffinity thing
[15:07] <ijohnson> mborzecki: yeah
[15:07] <ijohnson> it just occurred to me that I don't know how to silence seccomp denials
[15:07] <mborzecki> ijohnson: i think we should just make that part of the browser-support
[15:08] <ijohnson> yeah I think so too
[15:08] <ijohnson> browser-sandbox: true already allows lots of other dangerous things anyways
[15:08] <mborzecki> imo it's a valid use case to pin a thread to some cpu in a browser
[15:08] <mborzecki> given how performance optimized they are
[15:09] <mborzecki> ijohnson: we need to run that by security though, don't we?
[15:09] <ijohnson> yes it would need a security review
[15:10] <mborzecki> reviews and spread runs will take longer than the change anywa ;), it's a one liner afaict
[15:10] <ijohnson> haha yes true
[15:11] <mborzecki> maybe two, if one adds a comment
[15:18] <ijohnson> cachio: have you ever seen this sort of nested failure? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZJs5wYRpYb/
[15:18] <ijohnson> ```
[15:18] <ijohnson> Code=qemu-system-x86_64: /build/qemu-uc0X9e/qemu-4.2/include/hw/core/cpu.h:633: cpu_asidx_from_attrs: Assertion `ret < cpu->num_ases && ret >= 0' failed.
[15:18] <ijohnson> ```
[15:19] <mup> PR snapd#9864 opened: gadget/gadget.go: rename ubuntu-* to system-* in doc-comment <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9864>
[15:19] <ijohnson> cachio: or I guess a better log is this pastebin https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/kxPs7ZZxCs/
[15:24] <mup> PR snapd#9865 opened: interfaces/browser-support: allow sched_setaffinity with browser-sandbox: true <Bug> <Needs security review> <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9865>
[15:30] <jdstrand> ijohnson: re seccomp denials, we do not on a per rule basis. it would be possible to add a flag similar to 'unrestricted' to tell the compiler to not log
[15:30] <ijohnson> jdstrand: hey! so that would be a change in snap-seccomp compiler, correct ?
[15:31] <jdstrand> ijohnson: yes, and would be 'profile wide' (ie, not concept of per-rule)
[15:31] <jdstrand> no*
[15:31] <ijohnson> hmm I see
[15:31] <ijohnson> cachio: I see another case of that odd qemu failure: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/X8VYMzdwZ4/
[16:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#3430 opened: More improvements for using python3.8 from within a snap <Created by kenvandine> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3430>
[16:30] <cachio> ijohnson, checking
[16:30] <cachio> thnaks for sharing this
[16:32] <ijohnson> cachio: np, have you seen it before?
[16:32] <cachio> no, first time
[16:32] <ijohnson> it doesn't happen every time, just sometimes, it's very weird
[16:34] <cachio> yes, need to google a bit
[17:19] <mup> PR snapd#9857 closed: bootloader/assets: support injecting bootloader assets in testing builds of snapd <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9857>
[18:04] <mup> PR snapd#9866 opened: osutil/stat.go: add RegularFileExists <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9866>
[19:14] <jdstrand> stgraber: hey, so according to https://ubuntu.com/blog/lxd-4-0-lts-stable-release-is-now-available 4.0/stable is the lts, right?
[19:15] <jdstrand> stgraber: ah, yes. https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/#choose-your-release
[19:15] <jdstrand> stgraber: nm
[19:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#3431 opened: godeps spread test: use latest/stable go snap <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3431>
[20:12] <bandali> hi, does one have to anything special to use ssl certs in a snap?
[20:13] <bandali> s/have to/have to do/
[21:14] <ijohnson> bandali: can you be more specific? what are you trying to do ?
[21:19] <bandali> ijohnson, the jami snap has been failing to make connections over https to https://ns.jami.net, and i'm wondering if we have to do any hacks/worksarounds to fix it
[21:19] <bandali> it works in basically every other scenario/environment
[21:19] <ijohnson> bandali: hmm that website seems to have a valid SSL cert so I'm not sure what the problem would be
[21:20] <ijohnson> bandali: how does the problem manifest itself?
[21:20] <bandali> i think it's due to absence of certs in /etc/ssl/certs
[21:20] <bandali> ijohnson, you can try reproduce this by `snap install jami`, then try to create a new account and register a username
[21:20] <bandali> it will try to make a connection to https://ns.jami.net/name/yourdesiredusername but it always fails
[21:21] <ijohnson> bandali: at least with another strictly confined snap, I can access that site just fine with curl from inside the snap's environment
[21:23] <bandali> ijohnson, ha. we use a low-level cpp library, asio, which basically interfaces with openssl or libressl and calls its SSL_CTX_set_default_verify_paths
[21:23] <ijohnson> bandali: well using curl it seems to be fine, I guess I don't see why it wouldn't work from inside a strict snap
[21:23] <ijohnson> you have access to the ssl certs from the base snap that jami uses
[21:24] <bandali> ijohnson, do we have to set any special envs/paths like SSL_CERT_DIR for that to work?
[21:24] <ijohnson> I don't know, that depends on what libraries you are using
[21:24] <bandali> cjp256 also mentioned (in #snapcraft) that ssl certs are available from the base snap; and i'm wondering where its location/path is, and if we had to set any envs
[21:25] <ijohnson> bandali: it should be available from /etc/ssl/certs
[21:25] <bandali> as i mentioned, we use asio which in turns uses openssl or libressl
[21:25] <bandali> ijohnson, would that get packaged/included in the produced jami snap file itself?
[21:25] <bandali> because as of now etc/ssl/certs in the jami snap file doesn't exist and/or is empty
[21:26] <ijohnson> bandali: no that comes from the snap's base snap, if you isntall the snap and then run `snap run --shell jami` you can do `ls /etc/ssl/certs` and see the ssl certs from the base snap
[21:26] <bandali> i see. thanks i'll try that in a sec to be sure
[21:27] <bandali> huh, /etc/ssl/certs is empty there
[21:27] <ijohnson> bandali: what OS are you on ?
[21:29] <bandali> ijohnson, this is on a ubuntu 20.10 vm. though, i was recently trying with adding ca-certificates to stage-packages and setting a layout bind at /etc/ssl/certs as a workaround. i commented those out and am doing a quick rebuild to try again to be sure
[21:34] <bandali> oh, turns out a 'quick rebuild' is unfortunately a full rebuild :-p i'll report back in 30-40 mins or so :-)
[21:34] <ijohnson> :-)
[21:36] <mup> PR snapd#9863 closed: tests: use 6 spread workers for centos8 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9863>
[22:04] <bandali> interesting... looks like /etc/ssl/certs does in fact include certificates
[22:09] <bandali> upon a closer look (using strace), it seems we're for some reason trying to look up certs in /root/parts/jami/build/daemon/contrib/x86_64-linux-gnu/etc/ssl rather than /etc/ssl. i'll see if other jami devs have any idea as to why
[22:11] <ijohnson> that would certainly explain it
[22:14] <bandali> :-) what a rabbithole. quite curious to see where it leads


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[02:32] <Wild_Man> His name is cruzer001
[02:33] <Wild_Man> I have not slept sine night before last so I am not in good form tonight
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[02:33] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I think he wants to put in a couple of hours a week to start so gentle is good
[02:34] <Wild_Man> I just got on to tell you both that while I am relaxing a minute
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[18:40] <wxl> just sent call for TB nominations to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:40] <wxl> if we could get that up ASAP, i'd really appreciate it
[18:40] <wxl> (on the fridge)
[18:43] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I just gave wxl access to the Fridge.
[18:43] <wxl> ooh thanks!
[18:43] <tsimonq2> It's a good idea to have an active CC member who can post...
[18:43] <wxl> jose's there fwiw
[18:43] <tsimonq2> oh dub
[18:43] <wxl> but it might be wise just to give ~cc access
[18:43] <tsimonq2> *duh
[18:44] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[18:44] <tsimonq2> pleia2: ACK/NACK? ^
[18:44] <wxl> how does one login?
[18:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: fridge.u.c/wp-admin iirc
[18:44] <wxl> makes sense
[19:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Call for nominations for the Technical Board @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/05/23/nominations-for-the-technical-board/
[20:31] <pleia2> tsimonq2: sgtm
[20:32]  * wxl humbly receives his blessing :)
[20:32] <wxl> because that would be nice
[20:33] <tsimonq2> pleia2: cool :)
[21:24] <Wild_Man> Hello Bashing-om you are know a moderator of the UWN sub-forum and if you notice you username is in green now at the bottom of the forum and in your profile
[21:24] <Wild_Man> know/now
[21:25] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Wow ..looking on the forum :)
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Well, I am Green all over .. and yes confirmed I now can post :)
[21:30] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you should go explore the new things you can do, administrative at the top of all threads will give you options click on it and look around, you will need to be able to remove a stick and to make a thread a sticky, that is about it
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Well - sorta concerned that with this power of the damage I might do :)
[21:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you do not need to worry, you will only need to do the sticky bit in the moderation section, just be careful and do not delete or move the thread but if you do we can fix it pretty easily
[21:38] <Wild_Man> I am not sure if you have the capability to move a thread since you are moderating just this sub-forum
[21:38] <Wild_Man> I am glad you are sorted to do it now
[21:40] <Wild_Man> pleia2, tsimonq2 I have received another email on the M/L that wants to be removed is it possible since I am dealing with the M/L that I can have access to handle this type of issues?
[21:41] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am jealous! I really like the green usernames
[21:43] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Well .. to be honest .. I miss my "Ubuntu Member " .. been there for several years now .
[21:46] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I did to but I learned that is the way it goes, there is always give and take it seems
[21:48] <Bashing-om> Green is good :) // just Red was so hot :P
[21:49] <Wild_Man> I think green is also used for developers
[21:49] <Wild_Man> biab
[22:36] <pleia2> Wild_Man: you can forward any unsubscription requests to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:36] <pleia2> assuming they want to be removed from ubuntu-news@
[22:37] <pleia2> it's a standard address though, ubuntu-news-team-owner@ for ubuntu-news-team loco-contacts-owner@ for loco-contacts...
[22:37] <pleia2> but access is added per mailing list, someone here should have access to ubuntu-news and ubuntu-news-team
[22:38] <pleia2> so you all should figure out who wants to become familiar enough with mailman to be a list admin and let me know ;)
[22:40] <Wild_Man> Thanks pleia2, we will
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[23:54] <Wild_Man> pleia2, krytarik and I have talked over the access issue to ubuntu-news and ubuntu-news-team and want to know if we can both be added because I want to learn how to handle mailing lists and krytarik already has experience with mailing lists
[23:58] <Wild_Man> pleia2,  while we are discussing access do you and tsimonq2 want to keep your moderator access to the UWN sub-forum or would you like it removed? I only ask because the 2013 hack on the forum was done because we had several moderators of individual sub-forums that had stopped needing moderator access but it was never removed