[02:11] <Lowe> alright i got to the pasword bit it says type register then my pasword and i get unknown command :(
[02:13] <Lowe> ok it worked
[02:16] <gneto> Anybody knows a way to get newly installed programs to show up in the foot menu or other place ?
[02:17] <Treenaks> gneto: drag them there?
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti
[02:18] <gneto> Treenaks: From where ?
[02:18] <pitti> Tsjoklat: Hi!
[02:18] <Treenaks> gneto: what did you install
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> hi :)
[02:18] <pitti> Tsjoklat: you was the guy with the 24 hour CD download?
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> girl
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> 47 hours
[02:18] <gneto> Treenaks, a lot of stuff via synaptic. Some show up but not all
[02:18] <pitti> is it finished now?
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> just details :P
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> am on Ubuntu now :)
[02:19] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: and? :)
[02:19] <pitti> Tsjoklat: did the installation work?
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> besides a few minor issues I am over the moon
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> yes installation worked.. amazingly fast too
[02:19] <pitti> Tsjoklat: can you submit/followup to bugs for the minor issues?
[02:20] <Tsjoklat> ext3 is not know though... can't mount window drives and properties on mp3s are busted
[02:20] <stevedeo> Hrm.
[02:20] <pitti> Tsjoklat: what do you mean by "ext3 is not known"?
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> when I type mount it says type unknow
[02:21] <stevedeo> Is there any chance I can just replace my sid sources.list and do an `apt-get dist-upgrade'? Probably not, hey? :)
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hdb1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> but I checked with Knoppix.. it is ext3
[02:21] <mjg59> Tsjoklat: Yes, the root filesystem will be marked unknown in mtab
[02:21] <pitti> stevedeo: probably it will fail because we have different libraries and "older" versions
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> really?
[02:22] <mjg59> It's because of the way rootfs works
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> why is that mjg?
[02:22] <mjg59> The kernel uses a special rootfs filesystem for /
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> something new?
[02:22] <mjg59> It's because it's mounted by the kernel rather than going through mount
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> is there a boot option to turn off devfs by default?
[02:23] <Treenaks> mjg59: unless you pivot_root...
[02:23] <mjg59> Treenaks: Yeah
[02:23] <mjg59> Tsjoklat: devfs=nomount, I think
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> I can try that
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> so.. why can't I when I am in nautilus click on C and get my window drive to show up?
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> it says it's 'busy'
[02:24] <Lowe> maybe it's cooking a pie :p
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> lol Lowe :P
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> well what really bothers me a lot is this:
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> I right click on an mp3
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> go to properties
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> tab audio/video and this what I get:
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> There was an error while trying to create the view named `Audio/Video': System exception: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> wee
[02:26] <Lowe> yeah i get that too
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> you do?
[02:26] <Lowe> yes
[02:26] <mjg59> Tsjoklat: Can you check bugzilla.ubuntu.com and see if there's already a bug about that?
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> subterrific didn't lol.. felt so alone
[02:27] <Lowe> What exactly is in the audio/video tab anyway?
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> for totem I think?
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> loading mjg
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> how do I check it?
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> shouldn't I use the bug report tool?
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> I am not very familair with bugzilla
[02:28] <mjg59> Ah, then just use the bug report tool
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> ah okay, I tried a search for audio tab but it wouldn't let me
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> and a tiny question.. my trashcan is totally squased in the bar.. how do I get it to show up normal size?
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> heya housetier
[02:31] <Lowe> aha i finally found the advanced tab, ubuntu hid the gnome control center
[02:31] <Tsjoklat> mjg looks like more ppl have found the audio tab to be amiss
[02:31] <Tsjoklat> for what do you need the advanced tab Lowe?
[02:31] <Lowe> i just need it
[02:31] <Lowe> to feel complete
[02:32] <Tsjoklat> what does it do?
[02:32] <Tsjoklat> didn't miss it yet lol
[02:33] <Lowe> it's still missing stuff that's supposed to be there
[02:33] <Tsjoklat> I am only hoping gtktalog shows up soon.. can't live without that
[02:33] <Tsjoklat> is your trash looking fine Lowe?
[02:33] <Tsjoklat> it looks okay when I pick Gnome icon set but when I pick Industrial it becomes a very minime trash
[02:34] <Lowe> hmm
[02:34] <Lowe> dunno i downloaded the GNAT icons or whatever they are called
[02:34] <Tsjoklat> and they show up fine as trashcan in the bar?
[02:34] <Tsjoklat> my trashcan looks really pathetic lol
[02:35] <Tsjoklat> it resembles more of a turd then a trashcan
[02:36] <krischan> people, I just came across the following line when I typed "mount" into the command line: "/dev/hdd4 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)"
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> it suppose to be normal krischan
[02:36] <krischan> fyi, hdd4 is where my Linux is installed on.
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> according to mjg
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> I had the same question
[02:36] <krischan> How can it be "type unknown"?
[02:36] <mjg59> krischan: Yeah, that's normal
[02:37] <mjg59> It's because / is mounted by the kernel, not userspace
[02:37] <mjg59> And mtab is kept up to date by userspace, not the kernel
[02:38] <krischan> Oh, I see. Interesting detail. As far as I remember this didn't print under Fedora, where I come from. (I use Ubuntu since yesterday evening :)
[02:39] <mjg59> It's cosmetic rather than anything else - if you check /proc/mounts (which is kept up to date by the kernel) it'll tell you what filesystem is being used
[02:43] <krischan> Another question: I still have two partitions left to mount (permanently). One is my old /home (at the moment I still work without my old data) and the other a FAT partition with music and video stuff. At my first Ubuntu install, I mounted the FAT partition during install. Result was:
[02:45] <krischan> First time Ubuntu booted up, it took ages because there were many messages about corrupted blocks, truncated blocks occuring on the FAT partition. Would you recommend to check the FAT's filesystem somehow before I mount it?
[02:45] <Lowe> lol>(13:44:28) cid_designs: quite near, but that's not why it's cold. Every door and window is open
[02:45] <Lowe> (13:44:48) backward_link_bomb: you house sounds like a windows box
[02:50] <mjg59> krischan: It probably shouldn't be trying to fsck the FAT partitions. It sounds like it generally gets things wrong.
[02:51] <krischan> mjg59, would you recommend a fsck on that partition in general?
[02:51] <krischan> Never done this before, under Fedora no problem like that ever occured.
[02:53] <mjg59> krischan: What I'd recommend (and I'm not really a Ubuntu developer :) ) is that you edit /etc/fstab and change the pass field to 0 for the fat partitions
[02:53] <mjg59> That'll stop them being fscked
[02:58] <moyogo> krischan: did you just do a fresh install off of the cd?
[02:59] <moyogo> krischan: i had the same issue, changing the 2 into 0 in /etc/fstab for my fat partition worked
[03:02] <intero> hei Mithrandir
[03:06] <Qerub> How is Canonical Software supposed to earn money? :)
[03:06] <Lowe> my friend asked me to ask you lot a question so here it is
[03:06] <Muttley> 1) Release 2) Market 3) ??? 4) Profit   ;)
[03:06] <Lowe> (14:06:10) backward_link_bomb: on a server a web server there a geographic number that represents its position in the world
[03:06] <Lowe> (14:06:20) backward_link_bomb: is there a port on the server for this
[03:06] <Lowe> (14:06:28) backward_link_bomb: or a packet request
[03:07] <Qerub> Muttley: Aha! :)
[03:07] <Qerub> Lowe: Eh?
[03:07] <Lowe> :shrugs:
[03:15] <Treenaks> yes, the "LOC" DNS record...
[03:15] <Treenaks> but it's not widespread
[03:18] <T-Bone> sabdfl: you around?
[03:25] <jdub> sabdfl: ping
[03:25] <jdub> yo mako_
[03:25] <ulmen> how do i switch back to firefox 0.9* after dist-upgrading to the 1.0Pre? can i do so without downloading the .deb manually?
[03:26] <jdub> ulmen: it might be in your apt cache
[03:26] <jdub> check under,
[03:26] <jdub> /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:26] <thom> ulmen: problems with 1.0?
[03:26] <moyogo> ulmen: it's on the cd too
[03:26] <ulmen> thom: yes, no extensions are installable and seems to be unstable
[03:27] <thom> ulmen: if so, please file bugs
[03:27] <ulmen> jdub: okay thank you, there it is =)
[03:27] <thom> i'm in the midst of testing currently
[03:28] <ulmen> thom: hm the crashes are not reproduceable ...
[03:28] <ulmen> and the extension ... absolutly no idea why they won't install ...
[03:28] <ulmen> i've whitelisted the site
[03:28] <thom> tell me which extensions please, and from where
[03:28] <ulmen> adblock
[03:28] <thom> so i can test, also
[03:28] <ulmen> update.mozilla.org
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> argh my poor trashcan
[03:29] <ulmen> thom: i click on the "Install Now" link, the extensions window opens and ... nothing happes ..
[03:29] <cbaoth> Find in the 1.0pr package is b0rked.
[03:30] <thom> cbaoth: yup
[03:30] <thom> cbaoth: already a bug filed on that
[03:30] <ulmen> thom: this is with every extension ... but adblock is one of the few i really want/need ;)
[03:30] <Treenaks> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628
[03:31] <sabdfl> jdub: pong
[03:32] <sabdfl> T-Bone: now
[03:32] <Lowe> my find is fine *yawn*
[03:32] <Lowe> why do people have all these problems lol. I'm just glad i don't..
[03:34] <thom> ok, they're problems with our package. joy
[03:34] <thom> (i can't reproduce with the binary from moz.org)
[03:35] <pisuke> hi. I blacklisted a module in hotplug, but it keeps loading
[03:36] <cbaoth> Blacklist in discover.conf too.
[03:36] <pisuke> ok. thx
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> vsftpd is in the list! weeee
[03:36] <pisuke> slackware 10 just used hotplug
[03:36] <pisuke> for device detection
[03:37] <Treenaks> thom: I have a working SuSE version of PR1 (which I apt-got from ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt)
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> evo is nice, didn't think it would be this nice
[03:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> hehe
[03:38] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: speaking of Evo.. I need to file a bug on it about ipv6
[03:38] <Tsjoklat> glad I reminded you lol
[03:39] <Lowe> IS there actually a decent ftp server for just sharing mp3 files with friends?
[03:39] <thom> hmm. see, my problem with evo is "it's not mutt". same goes for just about anything :-)
[03:39] <Lowe> like BPFTP server for windows
[03:39] <Keybuk> the one reserved for KDE users and people who like mutt
[03:39] <mjg59> Bah. mutt is lovely.
[03:39] <Treenaks> Lowe: just torrent them on a private tracker :)
[03:39] <mjg59> So is Evolution.
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> never tried mutt
[03:40] <thom> Keybuk: i'm only going if i get knocked out by being snogged by some cute thing called safron
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> was thinking of trying thunderbird though
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> just to see it
[03:40] <Keybuk> thom: heh
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> I am so impressed with Ubuntu that I installed in on all my five computers
[03:42] <Lowe> It's not exactly convient.
[03:42] <Lowe> I just want to run a nice ftp server, but there is none for really private servers.
[03:42] <Treenaks> Lowe: put them on a private webserver?
[03:43] <Lowe> again it's not exactly convient.
[03:43] <Lowe> I downloaded gproftpd a gui frontend, it seems alright but you can't like choose what folders someone can download from.
[03:48] <Lowe> chat is dead
[03:48] <Lowe> hmm
[03:50] <truk-zzz> you can, lowe
[03:50] <truk-zzz> with perms, groups and users
[03:50] <truk-zzz> but better read a manual about it first, if you don't know how to do it
[03:51] <falkryn> hi, I've been running apt-get update and upgrade lately, and see a ton of changes on a daily basis (not a bad thing ;-)  Is there a public changelog anywhere though
[03:51] <Lowe> Such a hassle
[03:51] <Lowe> In BPFTP server you could just share directorys like uhm a p2p
[04:03] <aethyr> jdub: this might be useful to post in the thread on desktop-wide profiling, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-gtk-general/2004-05/msg00020.html
[04:18] <phloww> hi
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> hi phloww
[04:19] <bigboy> hello ubuntu users
[04:19] <jdub> hello bigboy
[04:20] <jdub> [ that sounds vaguely rude ;-) ]
[04:20] <bigboy> :-D
[04:22] <bigboy> i installed Ubuntu preview a couple of days ago and find that it will be fine linux distro
[04:22] <JanneM> what is the status on using ubuntu on an 12" iBook? notable successes or failures?
[04:22] <jdub> JanneM: should be pretty good
[04:22] <jdub> JanneM: modulo wifi support :|
[04:22] <JanneM> I just noticed that those machines are pretty cheap nowadays
[04:22] <JanneM> ok
[04:23] <JanneM> well, wifi is an ongoing litany
[04:23] <jdub> ;)
[04:23] <JanneM> was thinking of getting one to dual-boot, actually
[04:24] <jdub> i'd suggest osx first ;)
[04:24] <JanneM> the point of buying another machine is to play with ubuntu (and other linux distros)
[04:24] <phloww> so, i need some help here please ;)
[04:25] <JanneM> so it'd be dual-booted if I get it at all
[04:25] <JanneM> phloww: fire away!
[04:26] <phloww> i changed the rootpass with sudo passwd root, but if i do sudo <anyrootcommand> and i am prompted for the rootpass its still my userpass
[04:26] <phloww> and not the rootpass i set before
[04:26] <Kinnison> sudo uses the user password
[04:26] <JanneM> yep
[04:26] <phloww> oh ;) kay
[04:26] <Kinnison> if you want to have to enter the root password use 'su' not 'sudo'
[04:26] <JanneM> sudo checks that the person sitting in front of the machine is the one that is logged in
[04:27] <JanneM> you already have permission to do stuff as root - you just have to confirm that you are, well, you
[04:29] <phloww> so every user can do root-commands with sudo? or is there a group the user hast to belong ?
[04:29] <JanneM> no
[04:29] <Kinnison> the file /etc/sudoers controls access to sudo
[04:29] <JanneM> only the first created user
[04:29] <JanneM> by default
[04:29] <phloww> thx
[04:29] <Kinnison> in Ubuntu; the first user is added to /etc/sudoers by default
[04:30] <phloww> thanx for help, never used sudo before...
[04:30] <phloww> one more happy ubuntu user ;)
[04:31] <jdub> phloww: now you should disable your root password again :)
[04:31] <jdub> phloww: sudo passwd -d root
[04:32] <phloww> nice concept not using root at all.
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> of coruse if ya get a command you need thts not on the 'sudo' allow list. you may need to renable roots password right?
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> or do ya just let ALL commands be su-do able.
[04:32] <Mayday> what is the font called that is used in the gtk2 theme?
[04:33] <Tsjoklat> bittstream-vera?
[04:33] <Mayday> thanks
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> yw
[04:34] <mxpxpod> jdub: do you guys have a *mm maintainer?
[04:34] <cbaoth> @find opengl
[04:35] <Mithrandir> cbaoth: xlibmesa-gl?
[04:36] <flex> hi, i compiled new kernel and got "unable to mount root fs on uknown-blok (0, 0)", i'm googling all day and found nothing usefull
[04:37] <Kinnison> flex: Did you forget to make an initrd for your kernel?
[04:37] <flex> well i made initrd but got another kernel panic
[04:37] <flex> cannot open /dev/console : no such file ...
[04:38] <Kinnison> Hmm
[04:38] <Nonphasis> anyone using eclipse on ubuntu?
[04:38] <Kinnison> try installing the 'kernel-package' package and using the 'make-kpkg' tool to compile your kernel into a .deb
[04:38] <Kinnison> that may help
[04:39] <flex> ok i made that too but it shows the same
[04:39] <Tsjoklat> building kernels in Deb rocks
[04:39] <Nonphasis> cannot open console is a botch in kernel config
[04:39] <flex> howto make initrd file with make-kpkg ?
[04:40] <thom> hrm, i'm now very bored of building firefox
[04:40] <Mithrandir> make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image
[04:40] <thom> flex: --initrd
[04:40] <Mithrandir> thom: get yourself a faster computer. :P
[04:40] <thom> Mithrandir: i think
[04:41] <thom> i could have a multi THz computer and g++ would still be slow
[04:41] <Mithrandir> thom: ccache?
[04:41] <flex> now tells me cannot find /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>/modules/dep file and kernel panic
[04:41] <thom> Mithrandir: does it work with g++ ? man page doesn't say
[04:42] <Kinnison> thom: Using ccache ?
[04:42] <Kinnison> aah yes it should
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> did you use fakeroot?
[04:43] <Mithrandir> thom: I think so.
[04:46] <axe9> (.\/.)
[04:47] <borked> argh
[04:48] <axe9> I'm getting pissed
[04:48] <axe9> My hard drive is now totally dead.
[04:48] <axe9> Hey, how do I access system BIOS?
[04:52] <srbaker> so ubuntu installed perfectly on my tecra 8100
[04:52] <srbaker> but it's slow as fuck.
[04:52] <srbaker> and booting is slow, too
[04:52] <srbaker> actually, it's mostly booting that's slow
[04:55] <srbaker> ubuntu takes more than 4 minutes to get to "* Starting Gnome Display Manager"
[04:55] <srbaker> that *can't* be right
[04:59] <elim> what is the spec of the pc/mac?
[04:59] <srbaker> p3-750 128M
[04:59] <srbaker> it's a notebook
[04:59] <srbaker> toshiba tecra 8100
[05:01] <mxpxpod> tseng: ping
[05:03] <srbaker> debian sarge and fedora core 2 both boot fine on this, btw
[05:03] <Nonphasis> srbaker, what is slow? every phase in bootup? kernel load?
[05:04] <cheitozz_> is possible install kde in ubuntu?
[05:04] <srbaker> Nonphasis, everything
[05:04] <srbaker> cheitozz_, it's in universe.  i'm not sure if it's a good idea, tho :P
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> trivially easy :P I did it the other day
[05:04] <Nonphasis> srbaker, weird
[05:04] <Lowe> I don't understand why people install linux on low powered laptops *sigh*
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> at least I think it was in ubuntu :P
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> apt-get update , apt-get install kde
[05:04] <Nonphasis> i tried installing kde festerday
[05:04] <srbaker> Lowe, i'm getting more ram for it.  but don't tell me that p3-750 is low powered
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> it may of been in 'userlinux' however. ive been trying both out this week.
[05:05] <Nonphasis> removed it immediately, it seemed quite broken
[05:05] <srbaker> i have a p3-700 that screams with debian.
[05:05] <cheitozz_> srbaker, for what isn't a good idea?
[05:05] <Nonphasis> userlinux has no kde
[05:05] <Lowe> srbaker p3-750 is lowe powered
[05:05] <Lowe> low*
[05:05] <srbaker> Lowe, bullshit.  it's more speed than i need for simple hacking.
[05:05] <truk-zzz> Lowe: using linux? r u kidding?
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> Nonphasis,  it think it did after i apt-get'd it. :P or perhaps it was unbutu - I got so many different pcs' i get confused
[05:05] <truk-zzz> i have debian sarge in a k6-350 and works *perfect*
[05:05] <srbaker> Lowe, my computer uses haven't changed in 3 or 4 years.  so my hardware doesn't need to change either.
[05:05] <Lowe> Well it depends on your use
[05:06] <srbaker> Lowe, what do you do that requires more than p3-750?
[05:06] <Lowe> Games and shit, my athlon 2000xp seems slow to me
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> gimp can be very gimped at times :P on low end machines it seems.
[05:07] <mxpxpod> who is the one here that has the buildd's for ubuntu
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> not sure if gimp2 is better or worse in this reguard.
[05:07] <Lowe> My athlon xp is often gasping for breath
[05:07] <srbaker> Lowe, well for games, maybe.but i don't play games.
[05:07] <Nonphasis> Dr_Willis, ubuntu has kde in universe at least... i think bruce perens made the decision to skip kde in UL
[05:07] <Lowe> Well as long as it isn't for day to say use
[05:07] <srbaker> i have a barton 2500+ that spends all day compiling, and streaming oggs, and still plays q3a
[05:07] <Lowe> day*
[05:07] <srbaker> Lowe, you're an idiot
[05:08] <Lowe> *sigh*
[05:08] <Lowe> your one of "those"
[05:08] <thom> hrm
[05:08] <Nonphasis> srbaker, tsk tsk, that's a #debian attitude
[05:08] <thom> i've fixed extension installing
[05:08] <thom> just freakin' find left
[05:08] <Lowe> yeah this guy has an attitude problem
[05:08] <srbaker> Lowe, i have an attitude problem?  you're the one telling me what my needs are.  and then trivializing them.
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> breath
[05:09] <srbaker> sigh.
[05:09] <srbaker> anyways.
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> Nonphasis,  heh - the more i use gnome... the more i perfer kde. *sigh*
[05:09] <Lowe> Nope i just sayed that p3-750 is no use to me *yawn*
[05:09] <srbaker> so i can't figure out why ubuntu boots so slowly on this.
[05:09] <Nonphasis> srbaker, actually, I agree w/ you that 700mhz is plenty. just don't go ad hominem
[05:09] <Kosai> Dr_Willis: `apt-get install kde` works just fine, from universe.
[05:10] <axe9> How do I edit my BIOS in Linux?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> its interesting how the  Linux Disrots are branching out and developing right now.
[05:10] <Kosai> axe9: I can't tell whether that's a particularly smart or stupid question.  If the former, take a look at /proc/nvram.
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> axe9,  - Hmm... thats an interesting question.
[05:10] <axe9> Hmn?
[05:11] <Kosai> (By which I mean, if you're actually looking to dump the BIOS in userland, you can, but if you're asking about actually using it, you can't.)
[05:11] <Lowe> haha this is funny.
[05:11] <truk-zzz> axe9: do you mean cmos?
[05:11] <axe9> uhm...
[05:11] <axe9> donno
[05:11] <Lowe> I disagree with one person and everyone starts the my processor is powerful enough routine..
[05:11] <truk-zzz> what you really wanna do axe9 ?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> axe9,  why dont we ask WHAT you are trying to do. :P
[05:11] <axe9> I was thiking I might be able to perform necrolosys with my late hdd
[05:12] <Dr_Willis>  necrolosys ?
[05:12] <axe9> reviving
[05:13] <truk-zzz> rescue an hd ?
[05:13] <srbaker> is there a place to post installation experiences with ubuntu?
[05:13] <srbaker> bugzilla perhaps
[05:13] <srbaker> ?
[05:14] <srbaker> install took over 3 hours from inserting the CD to starting gdm for the first time
[05:14] <truk-zzz> srbaker: yes
[05:14] <srbaker> it didn't ask me any questions, but it was slow as fuck
[05:14] <Mithrandir> srbaker: bugzilla for bugs, the -user or -devel list for experiences.
[05:14] <Mithrandir> srbaker: what kind of hw?
[05:14] <srbaker> k
[05:14] <truk-zzz> bugzilla.ubuntulinuxbugzilla.ubuntulinux.org.org
[05:14] <truk-zzz> ups
[05:14] <truk-zzz> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[05:14] <srbaker> Mithrandir, Toshiba Tecra 8100, p3-750, 128M
[05:14] <dieman> ok
[05:14] <srbaker> maybe it was improper hdd settings by default?
[05:14] <dieman> ftp.cs is going to be a full ubuntu-cdimage mirror in a few mins here
[05:14] <Mithrandir> srbaker: weird.. could be missing DMA, yes.
[05:15] <srbaker> *really* fucking slow
[05:15] <srbaker> i know running gnome in 128M is a bit of a stretch, but it should've booted in less than 5 minutes.
[05:15] <LeeC> I'm trying to go the sarge > warty route via changing /etc/apt/source.list  How do I install the standard set of packages?
[05:15] <srbaker> i'm installing sarge now
[05:17] <LeeC> Is the list of selections somewhere on the install CD?
[05:17] <gpart> hi
[05:18] <gpart> is it possible to install/run ubuntu from an external usb-harddrive?
[05:22] <dcrm-libra> Hi I'm trying to get to a windows xp computer on a domain and I keep getting access denied, I don't get any password prompt or anything? What am I doing wrong? Thanks.
[05:23] <schvenk> has anyone gotten KDE working?
[05:24] <Kosai> Yeah.
[05:24] <Kosai> Just did apt-get install kde, after adding universe to sources.list.
[05:24] <Nonphasis> it "worked" out of the box
[05:25] <Lowe> KDE is a resource hog. (especially when i only have 256mb ram :( )
[05:25] <schvenk> i haven't been able to...when I select any KDE package (after enabling universe) in the SPM, I get dependency errors
[05:25] <schvenk> much more so than gnome?
[05:25] <Nonphasis> was ugly as hell though... nothing a little tweaking probably wouldn't fix
[05:25] <jdub> schvenk: nah, they're both around the same ;)
[05:25] <Nonphasis> I'm waiting for "official" ubuntu kde
[05:25] <schvenk> i'm pretty new to both gnome and kde, but the kde installs i've seen have seemed a little better
[05:25] <Lowe> Well maybe just on my system. Kde perfoms pretty bad.
[05:26] <Lowe> Performs*
[05:26] <Tsjoklat> <-- happy kde-free user
[05:26] <Nonphasis> jdub, btw, do you know how to add an xmodmap as selection to gnome kbd layout switcher
[05:26] <schvenk> hmm...doesn't work from the cmd line either. i get the following error:
[05:27] <schvenk> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:27] <schvenk>   kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeadmin but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeartwork but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdenetwork but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeutils but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: quanta but it is not installable
[05:27] <Lowe> wow wow we get the idea
[05:27] <Nonphasis> got the idea
[05:27] <schvenk> E: Broken packages
[05:27] <dcrm-libra> Hi I'm trying to get to a windows xp computer on a domain and I keep getting access denied, I don't get any password prompt or anything? What am I doing wrong? Thanks.
[05:28] <Nonphasis> schvenk, perhaps dist-upgrade?
[05:28] <Nonphasis> dcrm-libra, perhaps you might ask #samba?
[05:28] <Nonphasis> dcrm-libra, or sth
[05:29] <schvenk> Nonphasis: is that equivalent to the update feature in synaptic package mgr?
[05:30] <schvenk> (btw, sorry for the extensive paste...was hoping it'd all come through in one post)
[05:30] <Nonphasis> schvenk, dunno about synaptic - it might just be able to make the deps in your system such that kde could install
[05:30] <Nonphasis> Nonphasis, or jus wait for the packages to unbreak
[05:32] <schvenk> nonphasis: oh, so it might be a server-side problem?
[05:32] <Nonphasis> schvenk, well, often it's because the dependencies are broken in the servers
[05:33] <Nonphasis> schvenk, waiting sorts such a situation out
[05:33] <schvenk> nonphasis: i see. was assuming it was a problem in my distribution
[05:33] <schvenk> nonphasis: thanks
[05:33] <Nonphasis> schvenk, in fact, I would wait until kde goes "official" in ubuntu
[05:34] <Nonphasis> schvenk, before thu official release, I would assume
[05:35] <brad[] > There any plans to include KDE in Ubuntu?
[05:35] <schvenk> nonphasis, out of curiosity when is that expected?
[05:36] <flokker> hi :)
[05:36] <AndyFitz> hi flokker
[05:37] <LeeC> What is the official standard package list for Ubuntu?
[05:37] <flokker> I'm just trying ubuntu.. great!
[05:37] <bigboy> yeah
[05:37] <Nonphasis> schvenk, dunno, but probably before the release
[05:38] <AndyFitz> just compiled the gimp 2.1.5 on ubuntu http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/gimp215.jpg  i had a play with a celery 400 running at 1280x1024
[05:38] <AndyFitz> for a pixel perfect version replace jpg with png in the url
[05:38] <Nonphasis> schvenk, in the meantime, bear with the gnome. it's not too bad once you learn to use it ;-)
[05:38] <dieman> more bugs!
[05:39] <Nonphasis> schvenk, plus it's "official"
[05:39] <flokker> just litle problem browsing windows network :\ nautilus doesn't ask me login/pwd...
[05:39] <jdub> LeeC: our list of packages is generated from the Seed lists on the wiki
[05:39] <jdub> LeeC: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog -> look at the seed pages
[05:40] <trukulo> where can i write in wiki about #ubuntu-es ? channel in spanish about ubuntu
[05:40] <flokker> AndyFitz: great graphics works
[05:40] <jdub> trukulo: put it on the FAQ page for now
[05:40] <trukulo> where's the correct place?
[05:40] <trukulo> jdub: ok, thanks
[05:41] <trukulo> jdub: trukulo changed the topic of #ubuntu-es to: http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/31/ <- info ||  < jdub> estoy buscando
[05:41] <trukulo>           mis pantalones
[05:41] <flokker> noone has an hint for that network prolem, please?
[05:41] <trukulo> lol
[05:41] <jdub> haha ;)
[05:42] <jdub> flokker: not sure why not
[05:42] <flokker> jdub :)
[05:43] <LeeC> jdub: is there a text file somewhere with only these seed lists? (something I could feed 'dpkg -set-selections')
[05:43] <jdub> LeeC: best thing to do is:
[05:43] <jdub> aptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop"
[05:43] <schvenk> nonphasis, fair enough, thanks :-)
[05:47] <trukulo> spanish irc channel added in faq (wiki)
[05:48] <flokker> jdub: I tryed install ubunt o 2 diferent PC.. same problem: first boot I can wiew windows network & workgroup's pc but if I try to access shares it kick me off without asking any password and let me know that I've not enought permissions :(
[05:48] <LeeC> jdub: apt-get is complaining of a conflicted dependency of libc6-2.3.2.ds1-16 being installed instead of libc6-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2
[05:48] <LeeC> uninstalling libc is a bad thing, right?
[05:49] <tseng> LeeC: er... yes
[05:49] <trukulo> flokker: try accessing with this smb://user:pass@host
[05:49] <schweeb> what apt source did you just add, is the question
[05:49] <schweeb> sid, possibly?
[05:49] <schweeb> because you definitely added a non-ubuntu apt source
[05:50] <flokker> trukulo: thanks, just trying
[05:52] <jdub> LeeC: have you added debian sources?
[05:53] <flokker> trukulo: "not enough permissions to list..."
[05:53] <trukulo> same error as before?
[05:53] <flokker> trukulo: yes
[05:53] <trukulo> flokker: so try editing /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:54] <tvon|X31> Did type-ahead find go away in Firefox pr1?
[05:54] <flokker> trukulo: hownever  I can mount shares via console without problems
[05:54] <trukulo> flokker: umm, so i don't know :(
[05:55] <flokker> trukulo: what part of smb.conf?
[05:55] <trukulo> flokker: if you can access via termina, i don't know
[05:55] <schweeb> tvon|X31: it's a bit messed up... in the advanced setings, turn on type ahead find
[05:55] <schweeb> but the behavior is still different
[05:55] <LeeC> jdub: I installed a debian base system and I'm now trying to upgrade to ubuntu
[05:55] <Scognito> hi all
[05:56] <trukulo> LeeC: sarge?
[05:56] <LeeC> trukulo: yes
[05:56] <jdub> LeeC: you're better off using the ubuntu install...
[05:56] <jdub> LeeC: doing it that way won't give you the best experience
[05:56] <trukulo> so if you want to take the risk... say yes to all
[05:57] <trukulo> but it's a high risk
[05:57] <LeeC> jdub: yes, but each time I've tried the install has failed.  How do I verify that the CD has burned properly?
[05:57] <Scognito> i'm downloading the iso, but i have a question:
[05:57] <tvon|X31> LeeC: burn another :)
[05:58] <flokker> trukulo: I just reinstall and now I cannot find smbmount anymore.. I should installa an additional package last night ;P
[05:58] <Scognito> is ubuntu optimized only for i386? I use p3
[05:58] <jdub> LeeC: md5sum it :)
[05:58] <jono> jdub, what time is there?
[05:58] <jdub> Scognito: it uses i486 instructions, tuned for p4/k7
[05:58] <LeeC> I've checksummed the iso, when I try to checksum /dev/scd0 I get an error
[05:58] <jdub> jono: 0200
[05:58] <jono> jdub, ahhh right
[05:59] <Scognito> ok tnx
[05:59] <schweeb> LeeC: scd0 is for SCSI or IDE-SCSI
[05:59] <LeeC> scd0 is a SCSI drive on firewire
[05:59] <schweeb> okay
[05:59] <schweeb> what's the error then
[06:00] <LeeC> Uh, I think it was a "read data
[06:00] <LeeC> error, and then the drive went offline
[06:01] <LeeC> I'll try to copy the disk image back off the CD and then check that against the original ISO
[06:04] <flokker> trukulo: hownever  I think that mounting a share is quite different from browsing it..
[06:04] <Lowe> I can't open rar's and i installed unrar
[06:05] <schweeb> unrar is shit
[06:06] <schweeb> rar supports more rars
[06:07] <LeeC> Aha!  Reading the CD with dd generates a sense key Medium Error.  That's worse than an Easy Error.
[06:07] <LeeC> I knew these CDs were crap.
[06:08] <flokker> trukulo: news: launching nautilus from terminal with smb://... param I get: (nautilus:20757): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:08] <flokker> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:11] <Lowe> that's because your launching it as root
[06:12] <flokker> Lowe: no, the main user.. without sudo
[06:12] <Lowe> hmm
[06:12] <flokker> Lowe: youre right.. I'm idiot :)
[06:13] <toyowheelin> woah where is everyone
[06:13] <flokker> Lowe: just trtied again with standard user: no terminal error.. just nautilus popup error about permissions :(
[06:14] <toyowheelin> anyone here know much about grub?
[06:16] <cardador> flokker: i got the same
[06:18] <toyowheelin> after I loaded ubunto onto my system my windows boot loader is nolonger there, with mandrake it used lilo and it had an option to load "windows" which would than take me to my windows bootloader
[06:18] <toyowheelin> that dosent happen now
[06:19] <noxfu> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[06:19] <flokker> toyowheelin: are you sure to have not wiped out the hd during ubunt setup?
[06:19] <toyowheelin> :/
[06:20] <toyowheelin> yes I did custom disk partitioning or whatever and I put ubuntu where mandrake was
[06:20] <flokker> well, you data is still there then ;)
[06:23] <toyowheelin> I dont understand why grub didnt see windows and just add it
[06:24] <flokker> toyowheelin: have you tried to manually edit grub conf file?
[06:24] <toyowheelin> I dont know how lol
[06:24] <noxfu> toyowheelin: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/
[06:24] <toyowheelin> I am at school ATM tring to ssh to home
[06:25] <toyowheelin> dont remember if I installed sshd or not
[06:25] <noxfu> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Loading%20an%20operating%20system%20directly
[06:25] <schweeb> grub doesn't do the config
[06:25] <schweeb> people's grub scripts do the config
[06:25] <toyowheelin> oh
[06:25] <flokker> toyowheelin: mount /boot, *backup* actual grub config file and try to edit it following grub manual
[06:25] <schweeb> use update-grub
[06:25] <toyowheelin> k
[06:25] <schweeb> and then uncomment the windows section, if it doesn't add one
[06:25] <schweeb> and modify appropriately
[06:26] <toyowheelin> k
[06:26] <toyowheelin> well IF I can get a ssh session going ill do that in a sec
[06:27] <flokker> toyowheelin: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1532
[06:27] <flokker> (i was searching for other bug but.. :) )
[06:27] <toyowheelin> :)
[06:27] <kagou> hi guys
[06:30] <chapeaurouge> question... i always disliked debian, bc it was not bleeding edge enough with apt-get... can i like ubuntu?
[06:31] <toyowheelin> well thats not good....
[06:31] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: You are uninformed.
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, possibly.
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> im on slackware current right now.
[06:31] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: Debian is bleeding edge if you wish it.  That's what sid (unstable) is for.
[06:31] <toyowheelin> that guy is saying it "breaks" the mbr and wont let you boot windows
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> unstable.. hehe.. too old for me
[06:31] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: Then build it all from source?
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> testing maybe?
[06:31] <flokker> toyowheelin: not good at all
[06:32] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: testing isn't as bleeding edge as unstable.
[06:32] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, i do build from CVS on occasion
[06:32] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, ok.
[06:32] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: Then keep doing that?  You're not really going to find any packages that are that bleeding edge...it takes time to build and test packages before they are released into the wild.
[06:32] <WW> This is probably simple, but could someone explain how to make a USB printer on one computer accessible to another computer (using CUPS)?
[06:33] <WW> The computer are connected via a DSL Router
[06:33] <toyowheelin> alright well I will be back in a little while...
[06:33] <chapeaurouge> Are there lots of 3rd party sites that provide deb pkgs that are the latest version of a particular software?
[06:33] <toyowheelin> thanks for the info
[06:33] <Lowe> anyone know a good sfv checker?
[06:33] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: You can use unofficial sources.
[06:34] <flokker> WW: you have to know pc's ip and printer name, username & pwd
[06:34] <flokker> WW: the add printer "wizard" will help you step by step
[06:34] <chapeaurouge> im very unfamiliar with apt-get... would compiling from source lose apt-get, if i then later want to upgrade that software via apt-get? can make apt-get aware than I just installed something from source?
[06:36] <chapeaurouge> if you have a link to some explanation, it is good too. Don't want to waste you guys time.
[06:36] <krischan> people, I need help: I'm not able to access a FAT partition I've mounted. My fstab contains the following line "/dev/hdd5 /fat vfat rw,users,umask=111 0 0", then I "mount /fat", but when I try to cd into /fat it says I'm not permitted. Why?
[06:36] <WW> flokker: Dumb question: in the wizard, is the URI just the ip address (e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>) of the computer that has the printer, or does it need more information there?
[06:38] <flokker> WW: ah.. you have to use CUPS? I test remote usb printer only via SMB...
[06:38] <chapeaurouge> nevertheless, i will try ubuntu... this seems to be very good.. i like the philosophy of "less is more", just like slack. no bloat.
[06:38] <chapeaurouge> thanks
[06:39] <flokker> WW: I use CUPS just for a network printer and the URI was something like http://ip:port/printer_name
[06:39] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: No, you won't be able to upgrade software that you compiled from source via apt.
[06:40] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, ok.
[06:41] <topyli> noxfu: you can make .debs of everything, and apt will know about them :)
[06:41] <WW> flokker:  Yeah, I thought there might be more needed for the URI.  Still not sure, though.
[06:42] <krischan> chapeaurouge, I'm not an expert either, but AFAIK you can't compile/install something from source and then later _upgrade_ it - because the apt-get database is unaware that the installed software exists. BUT: there is a nice little tool called "checkinstall" (goto Google) it redirects "make install" into a package, and then you can install that package with usual measures.
[06:42] <noxfu> topyli: Yes, yes you can.....but that's not the quick easy answer that he was looking for.  :o)
[06:42] <chapeaurouge> krischan, yes, I was aware that it worked on slackware... so on DEbian too? nice.
[06:42] <seb128> hey ploum
[06:42] <ploum> lu
[06:44] <WW> flokker: Do you know if setting have to be changed on the computer that has the printer, in order for another computer to access it?
[06:45] <flokker> WW: what os run on that pc?
[06:45] <WW> i.e. is cupsd.conf configured to allow access from the local network?
[06:46] <WW> The printer is attached to ubuntu; the other computer has libranet.
[06:46] <flokker> WW: you have to configure smb.conf on printer pc
[06:48] <schweeb> ubuntu should pretty much already be set up to serve printers from cups through samba
[06:50] <schweeb> use CUPS then
[06:50] <WW> schweeb: How do I tell the client where the printer is?
[06:50] <schweeb> you'll have to allow remote access to CUPS from your client
[06:51] <schweeb> you can use printer adverisement through SLP, but you'll have to read the cups adverisement through that
[06:52] <WW> schweeb: "adverisement"?  SLP?
[06:54] <krischan> does anybody has suggestions regarding my mount problem decribed above?
[06:54] <srbaker> grrrr.
[06:54] <schweeb> you'll have to do some reading, WW
[06:54] <schweeb> cups.org
[06:55] <WW> schweeb: Yup, I'm doing that now!
[06:56] <fragg> krischan
[06:56] <WW> schweeb: But, while I have your attention, in the end will is involve just editing cupsd.conf on the client, or is there more?
[06:56] <WW> s/is involve/it involve/
[06:56] <schweeb> you'll probably have to do a bit of editing on both sides, yes
[06:57] <WW> schweeb: OK, thanks.
[06:57] <schweeb> I've never really messed with the printer advertisement stuff... I run a domain
[06:57] <fragg> with that umask you don't apply ejecution permission to /fat
[06:57] <fragg> so you are not able to open it
[06:58] <fragg> your umask sholud be 222
[06:58] <fragg> for example to have read and ejecution permission
[06:58] <fragg> i think that
[06:59] <srbaker> is hdparm on the ubuntu install disk?
[06:59] <srbaker> so i can run it before it starts copying stuff to the drive?
[07:00] <schweeb> do you need to force DMA on or something?
[07:01] <schweeb> cause the kernel is usually pretty good at determining if you should use DMA
[07:01] <krischan> fragg, you brought it to the point! Thank you very much!
[07:02] <srbaker> schweeb, well, i don't know.  i'm trying to figure out what the problem is
[07:02] <fragg> ok
[07:02] <fragg> great
[07:02] <krischan> fragg, then I bother you with the next question: who needs to have execution privileges, only root? Or also Group and Others? I'll try if umask=011 is gonna work to.
[07:03] <srbaker> there's a long wait between each of the screens that doesn't exist in sarge.
[07:03] <srbaker> and hardware detection takes a long time
[07:03] <schweeb> you need execution privs on the directories to cd into them
[07:03] <Se7h> haum...
[07:03] <Se7h> Can't find file for package 'WinDrv'
[07:03] <Se7h> how can i fix this ?
[07:03] <fragg> mmm
[07:03] <fragg> let me think about it
[07:04] <krischan> It works. Obviously execution privilege for root is the crucial point.
[07:05] <srbaker> hdparm reports the same settings in both sarge and ubuntu
[07:05] <srbaker> but ubuntu is *really* *really* slow
[07:05] <jdub> srbaker: what kind of machine?
[07:05] <jdub> srbaker: pipka had the same problem
[07:05] <srbaker> jdub, toshiba tecra 8100, p3-750, 128M
[07:05] <jdub> aha
[07:05] <jdub> interesting
[07:05] <jdub> she has a satellite
[07:05] <srbaker> jdub, oh?  what's pipka using?
[07:05] <srbaker> excellent.   that narrows it down
[07:05] <srbaker> the satellite is just a more expensive tecra :)
[07:05] <jdub> might be related to acpi/apm support?
[07:06] <srbaker> maybe
[07:06] <schweeb> definitely sounds like a DMA issue
[07:07] <srbaker> jdub, would loading the acpi/apm moduels help by any chance?
[07:07] <srbaker> schweeb, same DMA settings on both setups
[07:07] <schweeb> what kernel do you use in sarge?
[07:07] <srbaker> i always install with linux26
[07:07] <srbaker> so 2.6.8
[07:07] <schweeb> well
[07:07] <jdub> schweeb: don't think it's DMA, it's the entire system, not I/O
[07:07] <schweeb> whatever's on the install CD
[07:07] <schweeb> unless you upgrade
[07:08] <schweeb> think RC1 has like 2.6.4 or something
[07:08] <srbaker> jdub, i think i may have to do FC2 for a few days.
[07:08] <srbaker> jdub, but on sunday/monday, i can do a few more tests.
[07:08] <jdub> srbaker: cool, thanks
[07:08] <jdub> srbaker: i have to steal pipka's machine some time and have a poke, too
[07:08] <srbaker> jdthood, oh, there's an option in kernel config "Toshiba Laptop Support".
[07:08] <srbaker> i think that's enabled in sarge, it may not be enabled in ubuntu
[07:08] <fragg> krischan
[07:09] <srbaker> i'll switch kernels and build myself a new ubuntu disk  and test that for oyu
[07:09] <jdub> srbaker: modprobe toshiba :)
[07:09] <fragg> it's de crucial poinr as you say
[07:09] <srbaker> well, for me.  so you don't have to :P
[07:09] <srbaker> jdub, did pipka try that?
[07:09] <jdub> srbaker: it was already loaded, from what i remember
[07:09] <schweeb> or it could be the laptop_mode support
[07:09] <srbaker> ooh
[07:09] <srbaker> oh, i had to use the vga=771 for the slow-scrolling text, too
[07:10] <fragg> because when you mount de device, mount point's owner is root b
[07:10] <fragg> because when you mount de device, mount point's owner is root
[07:10] <fragg> mmm
[07:11] <srbaker> jdub, installation was a breeze, tho.  excellent work.  installed over wifi, too
[07:11] <schweeb> srbaker: try laptop-mode stop possibly?
[07:12] <fragg> but it doesn't matter
[07:13] <fragg> you have to put the correct value in the umask depending on which user you want the privileges
[07:13] <srbaker> okay.  so i install FC2 until my weekend (sun/mon)
[07:14] <srbaker> jdub, i just checked my ubuntu install.  toshiba module was nowhere to be found (i did find . |grep -i tosh), and the same in dmesg returned nothing
[07:14] <jdub> hrm
[07:14] <jdub> cat /proc/misc ?
[07:15] <srbaker> jdub, too late :(
[07:15] <srbaker> jdub, i have to get this running emacs in time for school in two hours.  it's got a clean harddrive :P
[07:15] <jdub> :)
[07:16] <srbaker> jdub, are you using emacs for gnome development?
[07:16] <jdub> srbaker: no need, i don't embarrass anyone with my code. i just help the real coders. :-)
[07:17] <srbaker> haha
[07:17] <Mithrandir> srbaker: the toshiba support is definitely enabled in ubuntu
[07:17] <srbaker> Mithrandir, oh, i couldn't find any evidence of that in dmesg
[07:17] <Mithrandir> srbaker: my gf has a toshiba satelite something
[07:17] <jdub> Mithrandir: does it run like poo?
[07:17] <Mithrandir> jdub: nope, runs well
[07:18] <jdub> hmm
[07:18] <srbaker> Mithrandir, you installed ubuntu on it?
[07:18] <srbaker> Mithrandir, no extra boot options?
[07:18] <Mithrandir> srbaker: no, she installed ubuntu on it; I don't think she's added anything
[07:18] <srbaker> hrm
[07:19] <Mithrandir> srbaker: but it's a 2GHz celeron thingy
[07:20] <srbaker> Mithrandir, oh.  mine's a p3
[07:20] <Mithrandir> 256MB ram
[07:20] <srbaker> and mine's only 128M.  i'm going to try and get 256M for it
[07:20] <Mithrandir> and tosh_acpi is loaded by default
[07:22] <srbaker> hrm.  it didn't load it here.  and i couldn't find it
[07:22] <srbaker> wonder if that will help
[07:22] <flokker> jsut a quick question about Nautilus: why it open always a new window when I browse subfolders?
[07:22] <Mithrandir> what kernel image did you get?
[07:23] <srbaker> Mithrandir, i just downloaded the ubuntu install cd
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  thats a design 'feature'
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  and i hate it. :P
[07:23] <srbaker> Mithrandir, i'm talking about installation.
[07:23] <Mithrandir> flokker: it's called spatial mode; you can turn it off using gconf-editor, but you should try it for a while and see if you get used to it.
[07:23] <srbaker> installation took THREE HOURS.
[07:23] <Mithrandir> srbaker: yeah, you said.
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  there is that 'explore' mode/icon at the top that dosent do that.
[07:23] <Mithrandir> srbaker: it did not for my gf, or she would have killed me. :)
[07:23] <srbaker> Mithrandir, but i'm booting my warty cd again.  trying to see if i can find this tosh_acpi module
[07:24] <srbaker> Mithrandir, where do i find that module on the install cd?  i can't find it
[07:24] <Mithrandir> it's inside some udeb.
[07:24] <srbaker> oh
[07:24] <srbaker> suck
[07:24] <Mithrandir> srbaker: it sounds like you have some fucked hdparm settings, if you use expert mode, I think it will ask you about those.
[07:24] <srbaker> know which one?
[07:24] <srbaker> hrm
[07:25] <srbaker> Mithrandir, but it's the same settings when i install sarge, and no such trouble
[07:25] <Mithrandir> srbaker: that's so weird.. I wonder if there's something weird going on wrt kernel versions and default settings that have changed.
[07:25] <srbaker> i did hdparm -i on this running sarge
[07:25] <srbaker> and then in ubuntu
[07:26] <chapeaurouge> i think that gnome 2.8 in not in unstable yet, is it?
[07:26] <chutwig> in debian?
[07:26] <chutwig> it's still in experimental
[07:26] <chapeaurouge> so can we expect ubuntu to be on the ball like that all the time?
[07:26] <chapeaurouge> chutwig, ok.
[07:26] <chutwig> they expect to move it to unstable after sarge is stabilized
[07:27] <Mithrandir> srbaker: .. and?
[07:27] <srbaker> Mithrandir, the hdparm -i output was identical
[07:27] <flokker> Dr_Willis, Mithrandir: thanks :)
[07:29] <chapeaurouge> i mean, when i see that gnome 2.6 entered unstable only in september, that what makes me think twice about Debian.
[07:29] <flokker> Dr_Willis: "flokker,  there is that 'explore' mode/icon at the top that dosent do that." <- I cannot find that
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  its been at the top bar of every gnome ive used in the last 3 months.
[07:30] <srbaker> Mithrandir, i'm in expert mode, it's loading udebs now
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> pops up a little file explorer/browser thing thats totally different from the ones ya get from clicking on the HOME icon
[07:30] <flokker> Dr_Willis: that's the problem! [tm] ... I've not a top bar!
[07:31] <truk-away> flokker: write gnome-panel in terminal
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  thats in the config menus or it crashed :P heh
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> to enable it
[07:31] <srbaker> Mithrandir, still can't find this tosh module
[07:31] <chapeaurouge> Olivier_54, Meurthe & Moselle? that'd be funny...
[07:31] <flokker> Dr_Willis: it's say that there is yet a open panel..
[07:32] <truk-away> flokker: killall gnome-panel
[07:32] <truk-away> and log in again
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> reboot :P oh wait this isent #windows
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:33] <flokker> haha :))
[07:34] <flokker> arg.. no way
[07:36] <Mithrandir> srbaker: it should be there post-reboot, no idea if it's loaded during the install
[07:37] <srbaker> god, that sucks
[07:38] <srbaker> install is the worst part
[07:40] <flokker> truk-away: my desktop looks like that: http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8&currentPic=16
[07:40] <Treenaks> wow! Flash plugin installation is _easy_ with this firefox PR1
[07:40] <flokker> no top bar, just menu
[07:42] <Chriffer> now that I upgraded firefox its starting to crash
[07:42] <thom> Chriffer: yep, known problem
[07:42] <thom> working on a fix
[07:43] <Chriffer> ohh so I shouldnt bother trying to upgade again yet
[07:44] <mdz> thom: any idea how I get emacs shortcuts back in firefox?
[07:44] <mdz> (he says, after ^W closes the @#$% window again)
[07:44] <thom> mdz: you need to twiddle gnome
[07:44] <Se7h> daammm
[07:44] <mdz> that is the worst choice of a keyboard shortcut EVER
[07:44] <Se7h> 54 new packaged
[07:44] <thom> mdz: it uses what you have set for gnome now
[07:44] <Se7h> 54 new packages
[07:45] <|trey|> Se7h: upgrade more option  ;)
[07:45] <schweeb> mdz: for me ^w closes each tab
[07:45] <schweeb> mdz: then the window
[07:45] <thom> mdz: (i have no idea how you do that, mind. jdub didn't know either)
[07:45] <Se7h> |;)
[07:45] <mdz> schweeb: that is the WORST
[07:45] <mdz> ^W has deleted backward one word since TIME BEGAN
[07:46] <schweeb> o_O
[07:46] <Kosai> Are the mozilla entry widgets GtkTextWidgets, then?
[07:46] <mdz> dunno
[07:46] <mdz> xchat does the same horrible thing
[07:46] <schweeb> most apps are switching to ^w or ^q to exit/kill windows
[07:46] <schweeb> I rather like it
[07:47] <|trey|> mdz: get busy with keyboard shutcuts... get them back the way you like...
[07:47] <schweeb> I've always used ctrl+backspace iirc to delete back one work
[07:47] <schweeb> depends on the app I suppose
[07:47] <truk-away> flokker: that's how it has to be
[07:47] <srbaker> ifound it unfortunate that synaptic wasn't part of the install.
[07:47] <truk-away> you have superior panel, where's the problem?
[07:47] <|trey|> schweeb: Emacs users are kinda hysterical about navigation keys  :/
[07:48] <schweeb> <3 vim
[07:48] <|trey|> 8-)
[07:48] <schweeb> :wq
[07:48] <schweeb> yyp
[07:48] <schweeb> etc...
[07:49] <thom> mdz: ah
[07:49] <thom> System Tools, configuration editor
[07:50] <thom>  /apps/desktop/gnome/interface ; set gtk-key-theme to "Emacs"
[07:50] <srbaker> gah.  vim suckage
[07:51] <minghua> thom: there is a UI in desktop preference -> keyboard shortcuts in debian
[07:51] <|trey|> emacs/vim wars are lame... always takes about an hour, and still only the folks that want Stallmans nuts continue to use it...
[07:51] <minghua> did ubuntu remove that menu?
[07:51] <thom> minghua: gone in 2.8 it seems
[07:51] <schweeb> no, it's there for me
[07:52] <|trey|> Emacs = over kill + bloat
[07:52] <minghua> thom: I see
[07:52] <tvon|X31> |trey|: lol
[07:52] <thom> schweeb: menu is there, option for keybindings aint
[07:52] <schweeb> Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:54] <Mithrandir> srbaker: what does hdparm on the cdrom look like?
[07:54] <Mithrandir> mdz: screen's choice of C-a clearly beats C-w to close windows.
[07:54] <thom> mdz: and yeah, that makes firefuck do the right thing
[07:54] <rokaef> hi, who knows how to get 3d with nvidia? installed are: nvidia-kernel, nvidia-glx and libopengl. when i choose as driver "nvidia" X doesn't start.
[07:54] <Mithrandir> mdz: at least for those of us who has been using macs since they came around
[07:54] <thom> should emacs keybindings happen to be the right thing :-)
[07:54] <siretart> is there a graphical frontend to edit /etc/fstab in ubuntu? not that I needed one, I'm just curious.
[07:55] <thom> siretart: does gvim count? (ie, no)
[07:55] <siretart> rokaef: is the kernel module "nvidia" loaded?
[07:55] <rokaef> how to find out?
[07:55] <rokaef> i think so..
[07:55] <siretart> rokaef: lsmod | grep nvidia
[07:55] <Qerub> siretart: gst provides one iirc
[07:56] <Qerub> siretart: gnome system tools that is, not gstreamer
[07:56] <thom> Qerub: which we turn off, i believe
[07:56] <|trey|> siretart: never really looked at fstab as something morons should be playing with  :(
[07:56] <Qerub> thom: oh, ok
[07:56] <rokaef> siretart: nvidia_agp 7772  1; agpgart 33704  1 nvidia_agp
[07:58] <rokaef> siretart: is that okay?
[07:58] <siretart> rokaef: this is okay. have a look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:58] <jmauricio> hi all
[07:58] <siretart> rokaef: that skript worked for me fine
[07:58] <jmauricio> i am looking for Mono
[07:58] <jmauricio> in powerpc
[07:58] <rokaef> siretart: okay, i look...
[07:59] <jmauricio> but without success
[07:59] <|trey|> jmauricio: umm, look in universal?
[07:59] <|trey|> not sure if its supported enough to be in main/restricted  :/
[07:59] <mdz> thom: thanks
[07:59] <mdz> thom: I'd been using ~/.gtkrc-2.0 for that, and it doesn't seem to work anymore
[08:00] <|trey|> thom: gnome dev?
[08:00] <jmauricio> |trey|: thank you, i will looking there
[08:00] <thom> |trey|: hope not, for their sake
[08:01] <|trey|> jmauricio: I know Debian has it upstream... should be in main... if not... add a debian repo WITHOUT main  :)  (universe + main = debian main)
[08:01] <|trey|> thom: oh, just saying cuz you said "we"  ;)
[08:02] <|trey|> Most devs say "we"  :)
[08:02] <thom> |trey|: i work for canonical :-)
[08:02] <jmauricio> |trey|: ok i will follow your instructions
[08:02] <siretart> Qerub: I just checked gnome-system-tools twice, it does not seem to have one. at least not with that package alone..
[08:02] <tseng> jdub: any proceedure yet from taking requests on UniverseCandidates and moving into universe?
[08:02] <Qerub> siretart: 19:56      thom > Qerub: which we turn off, i believe
[08:02] <|trey|> thom: ohhh... under what capacity?  dev or suit?  8-)
[08:02] <thom> dev. heh :-)
[08:02] <tseng> jdub: or anything i should add to speed the process up
[08:03] <|trey|> thom: yay... suits scare me  :(
[08:03] <thom> mdz: do we have any suits?
[08:03] <siretart> ah. ok. sry, overread that.
[08:03] <|trey|> thom: isn't Shuttlesomeshit a suit?
[08:04] <flokker> crash crash crash
[08:05] <flokker> no by ubuntu.. just shit hw :)
[08:05] <|trey|> Mark Shuttleworth not Shuttlesomeshit  :o
[08:05] <srbaker> jdub, so i decided to just wait out the ubuntu installation
[08:05] <srbaker> *sigh*
[08:06] <srbaker> jdub, it's just completing now.  about an hour later.
[08:06] <srbaker> actually, i lie.  78%
[08:06] <|trey|> srbaker: thats not bad for having EVERYTHING you need installed... usually about 20 mins getting Debian base installed... plus installing packages, just over an hour......
[08:07] <srbaker> |trey|, that's not everything.  that's just d-i.  it is terrible
[08:07] <lezard> Is Julien Olivier there (I don't know his pseudo) ?
[08:07] <rokaef> siretart: when i do "modprobe nvidia", i get: "FATAL: Module nvidia not found."
[08:07] <|trey|> jdub: please look at discover (in sid) over discover1... it's newer, and appears to detect 2.6 modules better  :)
[08:07] <rokaef> siretart: what is missing? how to install this module?
[08:07] <siretart> rokaef: check that you installed the package linux-restricted-modules with the right version of your running kernel
[08:08] <|trey|> srbaker: d-i is terrible? about 3 questions (for Ubuntu) is terrible? It's just not pretty, sorry if you didn't figure out you can get up and do something entertaining  :/
[08:08] <srbaker> |trey|, THE SPEED IS TERRIBLE!
[08:09] <srbaker> |trey|, :)  i love d-i
[08:09] <tseng> the speed?
[08:09] <tseng> it takes 20 minutes
[08:09] <srbaker> |trey|, but there's something wrong with toshiba lappy support.
[08:09] <|trey|> srbaker: same here... best installer around... and will get even more credit once it is pretty  :)
[08:09] <srbaker> tseng, no.  not on my toshiba tecra.  there's something wrong!  it takes almost 4hours from start to finish
[08:09] <thom> i have thunderbird and firefox building at the same time
[08:09] <|trey|> thom: *points at the TV*  8-)
[08:10] <tseng> mayhaps its using a generic ide driver?
[08:10] <|trey|> thom: :(  Firefox PR really didn't like my java plugin, kept crashing... it apparently decided to work right as I was going to file a bug though  :/
[08:10] <srbaker> nope
[08:10] <srbaker> piix
[08:11] <|trey|> srbaker: piix?
[08:11] <srbaker> yes.  tseng suggested it's using a generic ide driver
[08:11] <srbaker> it's nothing to do with ide or dma, as far as i can tell.
[08:11] <|trey|> ohhh... I just didn't know that was a module :o
[08:12] <rokaef> siretart: takes some time now..downloading
[08:12] <mdz> thom: works, thanks
[08:13] <mdz> now i just need to figure out how to get both the left and right ALT keys to do the _same thing_, dammit
[08:13] <|trey|> (One bug, "new folder" icon is kinda fucked... but I don't know enough to fix it  :(
[08:14] <mdz> my right alt key makes ISO_Level3_Shift
[08:14] <tseng> mdz: have you tested your mythtv stuff on ubuntu much?
[08:14] <|trey|> SOMEONE WORKING ON UBUNTU SHOULD GO TO www.planetnovell.org AND LOOK AT THE THEME  :)
[08:14] <thom> |trey|: dude, no need to shout
[08:14] <|trey|> Its a few days old now though... so it will be closer to the bottem  :(
[08:15] <|trey|> thom: pretty please  :)
[08:15] <mdz> tseng: I was just about to, actually
[08:15] <thom> we've seen it, we aren't screwing with themey stuff given how much else we have to do
[08:15] <thom> it'll be in hoary
[08:15] <mdz> tseng: I'm going to start distributing ubuntu packages for it
[08:15] <|trey|> thom: yay  :)
[08:15] <tseng> mdz: hm, missing a few deps in main universe
[08:16] <tseng> + mdz + marrilat
[08:16] <|trey|> thom: thing is, for me, the system at large works... so I get to play... one of the lucky things about using solely x86  :)
[08:16] <mdz> tseng: hmmm?
[08:16] <Qerub> truk-away: what themey stuff are you reffering to?
[08:16] <Qerub> |trey|: what themey stuff are you reffering to?
[08:16] <Qerub> truk-away: sorry
[08:17] <tseng>   mythtv-frontend: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
[08:17] <tseng>                    Depends: libmyth-0.16 but it is not going to be installed
[08:17] <tseng>                    Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:17] <|trey|> Qerub: Garret LeSage's Firefox Industrial theme  :)
[08:17] <tseng> the last one might be easy
[08:18] <tolo> Hi to all
[08:18] <|trey|> tseng: all in sid...
[08:19] <|trey|> tseng: could be added to universe for now  :)
[08:19] <tseng> ya
[08:22] <wido> is there a repository with kde3.3 packages for ubuntu?
[08:25] <chutwig> did you check universe?
[08:26] <chutwig> ah, i guess that's still 3.2.3
[08:27] <ElRaton> I wanted to notice you the brand new French channel, #ubuntu-fr, and wanted to know who I have to give the FOUNDER to. Is seb128 OK ?
[08:29] <WW> Still trying to make my printer available to another computer on my network...
[08:29] <WW> By adding Allow From 192.168.1.*, and BrowseAddress 192.168.1.* to cupsd.conf, the client can see the printer.
[08:29] <rokaef> siretart: thx! now it works!
[08:30] <WW> But when I print a test page from the client, it fails with error code 1286, and the message "is the printer paused".
[08:30] <WW> Any ideas?
[08:30] <siretart> rokaef: you're welcome :)
[08:31] <rokaef> where are all the .deb packages saved, when i do a update?
[08:31] <srbaker> jdub, so i reboot and modprobe toshiba, and it doesn't seem to get much quicker
[08:36] <srbaker> god damn.  i can't use a laptop that takes 6 minutes to boot
[08:37] <WW> Correction: I added BrowseAddress <IP_ADDRESS> to cupsd.conf
[08:37] <schweeb> man
[08:38] <schweeb> this backspace beign "back" in PR1.0 of FireFox is driving me insane
[08:38] <tseng> rokaef: /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:38] <tseng> rokaef: clean with apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean
[08:38] <rokaef> thx
[08:39] <tseng> ie just dont rm *
[08:41] <rokaef> there where only 300 mb, but the updates have been much more..
[08:42] <rokaef> but it worked.
[08:43] <chapeaurouge> is there a good link for some Ubuntu arts?
[08:43] <neuro_> no, i'm not *that* neuro
[08:44] <neighborlee> chapeaurouge, what kind of 'arts' are you talking about  ;-) ?
[08:45] <chapeaurouge> like backgrounds for example
[08:45] <neighborlee> chapeaurouge, oh ic...never checked so I dont know about that subject
[08:48] <cybrjackle|work> hello
[08:49] <cybrjackle|work> is there a good how to make .deb's out there?
[08:49] <cybrjackle|work> maybe debian doc's or something
[08:49] <cybrjackle|work> i was looking through http://www.debian.org/doc/ but haven't found it yet
[08:49] <thom> www.debian.org/devel/ iirc; see the new maintainers guide
[08:49] <Mithrandir> hmm, weird.
[08:50] <cybrjackle|work> thx
[08:50] <Mithrandir> if you have a vfat file system and a directory with just directories in it, nautilus says "permission denied" when trying to open the directory.
[08:51] <sladen> cybrjackle|work: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[08:51] <sladen> cybrjackle|work: or google for  debhelper
[08:51] <cybrjackle|work> thx
[08:51] <Nonphasis> how can i burn a cd w/ nautilus?
[08:52] <psi> open nautilus, choose locations in the menu and press cd-creator
[08:52] <psi> or if it's an iso you can just right click on it
[08:53] <Nonphasis> hmmm... locations?
[08:53] <Nonphasis> i just found it in help, burn:/// should work
[08:53] <psi> hm. that was translated from my language
[08:53] <Mitario> aloha
[08:54] <psi> yes. it is in the menu, though.
[08:54] <Nonphasis> ah, it's "places"
[08:55] <Nonphasis> been using k3b mostly, gotta try this nautilus thing as well
[08:55] <psi> k3b is vastly superior, but nautilus works for simple things
[08:58] <neighborlee> Nonphasis, you might also try say:  xcdroast or  even eclipit..I like those as well
[09:01] <punkass> hello all
[09:02] <Nonphasis> xcdroast sounds veeery old
[09:02] <Nonphasis> i remember trying it back in the day
[09:02] <punkass> got a wireless question.. sudo ifup wlan0 gives me: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: filename argument required
[09:03] <punkass> .: usage: . filename
[09:03] <punkass> dhcpcd.exe: wrong interface name ""
[09:13] <chutwig> is ubuntu going to get anything like the debian services controller in gnome?
[09:13] <chutwig> or is that a generic package that i just don't have installed
[09:13] <tseng> chutwig: i think you are talking about part of gnome-system-tools
[09:13] <chutwig> ja
[09:14] <chutwig> seems to be missing from the ubuntu package
[09:14] <tseng> hm you are right.
[09:15] <dieman> bwhahaha
[09:15] <dieman> ive got an 8-way amd64 box coming soon
[09:15] <Mithrandir> dieman: fun, how much memory?
[09:15] <Mithrandir> dieman: and can you help me track down https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1545 then? :)
[09:17] <dieman> Mithrandir: 16 at least
[09:17] <dieman> im going for 32
[09:17] <dieman> though
[09:17] <dieman> (gb)
[09:17] <dieman> im 'only' up to 20k
[09:18] <chutwig> that's a lot of computer
[09:18] <dieman> i need to get up to 25k.
[09:18] <Mithrandir> dieman: ok, cool.  Please, please help me track down that problem.
[09:18] <Mithrandir> I'll buy you beer in Helsinki then. :P
[09:18] <dieman> heh, yikes
[09:18] <dieman> sure
[09:18] <dieman> i'll need to fix it to get the thing to boot :)
[09:19] <chutwig> he's going to get you drunk and take advantage of you in an alley behind the bar :o
[09:20] <dieman> heh
[09:21] <Mithrandir> chutwig: shhh!
[09:21] <dieman> its really cool
[09:21] <dieman> this new box
[09:21] <dieman> its just two iwill qk8s mobos tied together
[09:21] <dieman> too bad iwillhas like no info on their website
[09:22] <dieman> hmm 28 days lead time on the box tho, so it will be a month or so
[09:22] <punkass> got a wireless question.. sudo ifup wlan0 gives me: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: filename argument required
[09:28] <Qerub> punkass: deja v
[09:28] <punkass> you have the same problem?
[09:29] <Qerub> no, you asked the same question two times.
[09:29] <punkass> oh yeah... im gettin a little frusterated :)
[09:29] <Qerub> have you tried running the dhcp client manually?
[09:29] <Qerub> just to try it? :)
[09:30] <punkass> yeah same error
[09:30] <Qerub> and you haven't changed anything to dhcpcd?
[09:30] <punkass> nope
[09:31] <dieman> Mithrandir: hmm, goswin claims that his 8gb test system works.
[09:31] <punkass> an a iwconfig gives me all the info for wlan0 but minus an IP
[09:31] <dieman> Mithrandir: wacky
[09:31] <dieman> Mithrandir: does the amd64 dist boot em64t boxes too?
[09:32] <Mithrandir> dieman: it should, yes.
[09:32] <Mithrandir> dieman: if not, it's a bug and should be fixed. :)
[09:32] <dieman> col
[09:32] <dieman> cool
[09:32] <dieman> ive got at least 5 of those coming in the next month.
[09:32] <Mithrandir> goodie :)
[09:32] <Qerub> punkass: have you got /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-wlan0.info?
[09:33] <dieman> Mithrandir: do they transparently run 32 bit binaries?
[09:33] <Mithrandir> dieman: if you install ia32-libs, it should work for most stuff.
[09:33] <dieman> (if they are static, or have the availiable libs around)
[09:33] <dieman> ok
[09:33] <dieman> cool
[09:33] <dieman> i can't install it if they can't run matlab, etc. ;)
[09:33] <Mithrandir> dieman: and static should be fine, yes.
[09:33] <punkass> hehe..just reading the top of dhcpcd.exe...and just noticed that line
[09:33] <Mithrandir> dieman: amd64 can install and run OOo. :)
[09:34] <dieman> nice
[09:34] <punkass> Qerub: so no i dont have it
[09:34] <punkass> dont have it for eth0 either tho
[09:34] <punkass> but it still gets an IP
[09:35] <tseng> wth
[09:35] <tseng> greenday wears makeup now?
[09:35] <Qerub> polvi: does dhcpcd.exe abort after that?
[09:35] <Mithrandir> dieman: it's very non-native, but works fine with ia32-libs{,-openoffice.org}
[09:37] <whiprush> the ubuntu article on LWN is excellent
[09:38] <schweeb> whiprush: link? or is it in the subscribers only still
[09:38] <punkass> Qerub: do you know how i generate that file.. or the layout of it?
[09:38] <schweeb> subscribers only >_<
[09:38] <whiprush> yeah
[09:39] <Qerub> punkass: hmm. i haven't got it either :-)
[09:39] <Qerub> whiprush: would you mind a little copy and pasting? :>
[09:40] <whiprush> heh, I'm not gonna rip them off.
[09:40] <whiprush> besides, I paid 5 bucks for this. :)
[09:40] <neighborlee> LWN?
[09:41] <schweeb> Linux Weekly News
[09:42] <schweeb> god
[09:42] <schweeb> PDFs suck
[09:43] <chutwig> what's wrong with PDFs
[09:43] <punkass> ah i think i have to add other interfaces to the config file
[09:43] <schweeb> all PDF viewers are terrible, including Acrobat Reader
[09:43] <chutwig> preview works well for me
[09:44] <chutwig> except it doesn't support forms, at least not now
[09:44] <chutwig> maybe in 10.4
[09:44] <chutwig> it's also slow at line art
[09:44] <schweeb> well
[09:44] <schweeb> xpdf just sucks
[09:45] <schweeb> gpdf isn't working, doesn't appear to want to open the files
[09:45] <chutwig> does it say anything if you run it from a terminal?
[09:45] <schweeb> nope
[09:45] <chutwig> you might need some postscript support installed
[09:45] <schweeb> gpdf uses xpdf afaik
[09:45] <schweeb> and xpdf works
[09:46] <schweeb> and there are only depends, no suggests or recommenda
[09:46] <schweeb> recommends
[09:46] <chutwig> weird
[09:46] <chutwig> i installed gpdf and it works for me, no fussing
[09:47] <schweeb> tryin to read this dop on samba4, and it's driving me nuts
[09:53] <peteog> anyone else have a problem with Firefox where they cant add themes or engines? installing industrial - the box comes up but nothing seems to happen
[09:54] <punkass> goin crazy :)
[09:59] <punkass> anyone use laptop-net
[10:02] <Mithrandir> Mirno: please turn off public away.
[10:02] <Mirno> Mithrandir,   Sorry for the incoviniance.
[10:03] <Mithrandir> Mirno: thanks. :)
[10:03] <Mirno> Mitario,   done
[10:03] <Mitario> Mirno, ?
[10:03] <Mirno> Mitario,   miss tab
[10:04] <Mitario> k :)
[10:09] <pete> :( this is silly. Clean ubuntu install, the install dloaded firefox 1 and I cant add, engines, themes or extensions.
[10:09] <pete> any one else having issues?
[10:09] <thom> yes, it's broken right now
[10:09] <pete> ah
[10:09] <pete> :)
[10:10] <dieman> haha
[10:10] <thom> i have an upload that fixes the extensions stuff, but which leaves find knackered which i'm testing right now
[10:10] <dieman> only $4,900 to add 16 gb to this amd64 box we are getting
[10:10] <dieman> so $25k for a 8proc 846 box with 32gb of memory
[10:10] <dieman> yum
[10:11] <thom> dieman: all this just to play doom3? ;-)
[10:11] <dieman> yes!
[10:11] <dieman> no, rather
[10:11] <dieman> its for a class on parallel processing
[10:11] <dieman> they wanted a huge box instead of using mpi.
[10:12] <dieman> (or it might be to show how to do things on a shared memory platform)
[10:12] <dieman> most likely the latter, in addition :)
[10:13] <peteog> thom: cool
[10:13] <Nonphasis> stupid q: why isn't /etc/profile honored?
[10:14] <Nonphasis> or where should i put "global" customization
[10:16] <fin> i can safely remove files in /var/cache/apt/archives  correct?
[10:17] <Nonphasis> nautilus bug: the directory with the name ~ doesn't appear in directory listing
[10:18] <Nonphasis> (eclipse was very very smart and created such a dir)
[10:18] <leorme> fin: yes. you can use apt-get clean.
[10:20] <fin> excellant, thank you
[10:20] <fin> im on a 4 gig drive, doh!
[10:20] <fin> lol
[10:20] <punkass> whats the easiest way to fire a wireless connection with WEP?
[10:22] <Dougall> hi
[10:31] <wasabi_> hey so, what's you guys' revenue plan?
[10:32] <fin> pimpin hoes
[10:33] <shim> "Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!"
[10:33] <shim> ;   ;
[10:36] <shim> *trying to install drivers for a linksys wifi card (PCMCIA)*
[10:36] <subterrific> shim: pretty sure there is a FAQ about that
[10:37] <shim> oh?
[10:37] <shim> *wanders off to look*
[10:41] <punkass> wlist wlan0 scan gives me Failed to read scan data: Operation not supported..... any thoughts?
[10:41] <lamont> evo question... how does one get URL's in email messages to behave as links?
[10:43] <neighborlee> lamont, hmm odd..pretty sure mine does default..lemme check
[10:43] <neighborlee> lamont, yes mine load mozilla for example when I click them
[10:44] <lamont> ok.  I'll go see what the wife is smoking then,,,
[10:45] <Dougall> all, anyone know if there are any tricks to installing the ati 3d drivers ?
[10:50] <lml> Are there somebody running MythTV on Ubuntu?
[10:50] <fin> is there a way to use the ck patches with the ubuntu kernel source, or must i download a vanilla kernel?
[10:51] <crimsun> you may have a difficult time patching
[10:51] <crimsun> i haven't tried, so i don't know
[10:51] <crimsun> best way is to try
[10:55] <neighborlee> hey all..anyone remember that --reconfigure line for apt-get for nvidia ?..I can'/t recall last part ;-))heh
[10:55] <neighborlee> or is it in a faq?
[10:55] <neighborlee> trying to help friend with path of least resistance <G>
[10:55] <theantix> yup, it's in the faq =)
[10:55] <neighborlee> okay thx
[10:56] <lml> Are there somebody running MythTV on Ubuntu?
[10:57] <neighborlee> theantix, i'm not finding it
[10:57] <crimsun> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:57] <neighborlee> lml, what is MythTV>.I guesss thats a no ;-)
[10:57] <mdz> neighborlee: ^^^
[10:57] <mdz> lml: I will be shortly
[10:58] <goatboy_> lml: I am.
[10:58] <lml> mdz: Do you know if there are packages available to ease the installation?
[10:58] <mdz> lml: there will be shortly :-)
[10:58] <neighborlee> mdz:crimsun: k thx ;-0
[10:58] <lml> mdz: How shortly ;-)
[10:58] <mdz> lml: I maintain the packages
[10:59] <lml> goatboy_: Did you compile from source?
[10:59] <lml> mdz: All packages or just MythTV?
[10:59] <mdz> lml: the mythtv packages for Debian
[10:59] <mdz> (and thus for ubuntu as well)
[11:00] <goatboy_> lml: I rebuilt mdz's packages.
[11:00] <lml> mdz: Ok and to my understanding it is not wise to use Debian packages under Ubuntu?
[11:00] <crimsun> i find it humorous that mozilla-firefox in sid is less recent than in ubuntu =)
[11:00] <mdz> lml: in general, no, but if there is anything available for Debian which is not available for Ubuntu, let us know and we will correct that
[11:01] <mdz> crimsun: get used to it :-)
[11:01] <crimsun> mdz :)
[11:01] <superted> how would one get java working in mozilla and mozilla based browsers like epi ?
[11:01] <theantix> mdz, how about the straw rss aggregator?  it's in debian unstable but not in ubuntu's universe
[11:02] <lml> mdz & goatboy_: What is the tasks to do a rebuild of the Debian packages? Or is it easier (for a novice) to do a complie from source.
[11:02] <Lowe> what version of apache should i install?
[11:03] <mdz> theantix: it is in universe
[11:03] <mdz> lml: I will be providing mythtv packages built for ubuntu, if you can be patient
[11:03] <theantix> mdz: ah, must be new then... I swear I checked a few days ago... apologies
[11:04] <lml> mdz: I am patient, just would like an estimate on the arival ;-)
[11:04] <mdz> lml: I estimate <24 hours
[11:05] <lml> mdz: Very nice, I will not start the installation until next week. Just doing preparations.
[11:05] <mdz> lml: no hurry, then
[11:05] <fin> hmmm
[11:05] <fin> this laptop says the max res for it is 1024x768
[11:06] <fin> but it looks all jagged, likes its streched :\
[11:06] <fin> any ideas on some things  i can try
[11:06] <tvon|X31> fin: do you know in fact what the LCD resolution is?
[11:06] <fin> the website says 1024x768
[11:06] <tvon|X31> not what X is using, what the LCD is made for
[11:06] <fin> so i set it to that.
[11:06] <lml> mdz: As part of my preparations I am a bit puzzled that neither TVTime or xawTV is to be found as a package.
[11:07] <mdz> lml: they are in universe
[11:07] <Dougall> can anyone offer any help with ati binary drivers ? I installed the drivers with apt-get, but the machine still seems to be using mesa gl
[11:07] <mdz> along with everything else from sid which is not officially supported
[11:08] <fin> hmm
[11:08] <lml> Oki, I will check again.
[11:08] <fin> i guess i'll just play with it
[11:08] <goatboy_> mdz: I don't suppose you'd be open to amd64 packages, would you? :)
[11:08] <lml> mdz: Thanx again.
[11:09] <mdz> goatboy_: absolutely
[11:09] <mdz> I intend to build it for amd64, but I don't have an amd64 with a capture card so I can't test the backend
[11:09] <goatboy_> mdz: I'm running your packages rebuilt for amd64.
[11:10] <goatboy_> seems to be working.
[11:10] <mdz> goatboy_: backend as well?
[11:10] <goatboy_> yep
[11:10] <mdz> very cool
[11:10] <mdz> I'll go aheda and publish amd64 packages for ubuntu, then
[11:10] <mdz> ahead
[11:11] <goatboy_> cool, thanks.
[11:11] <theantix> can someone else check to see if straw is in universe?  mdz says its there, but I can't see it anywhere -- I need to know if I'm going crazy or what, "apt-cache search straw" returns no results
[11:12] <lamont> theantix: src is there...
[11:12] <mdz> theantix: the source is there; it is possible that it failed to build
[11:12] <lamont> i386 ftbfs
[11:12] <lamont> running build_desktop
[11:12] <lamont> intltool-merge does not exist in your PATH. Make sure it exists in your PATH..
[11:13] <theantix> okay thanks... it failed to build for me too.  no worries.
[11:13] <lamont> mdz/theantix: if a bug shows up to remind me, I'll add the missing build-dep
[11:14] <fin> ok, it was in 800x600 for some reason, i think cause its 24bit mode and this is an older pc.  ima move it over to 16 and try
[11:14] <fin> need to get my external mouse working as well, i hate touch pads!
[11:18] <theantix> lamont, pardon my ignorance, but I'm not sure what component to file the bug under :-/
[11:18] <siretart> is qt 3.3.2 somewhere available for ubuntu?
[11:18] <leorme> if i put something in the trashcan, it says that has nothing inside. it's a known bug?
[11:18] <siretart> or what is the correct way for asking for newer packages? bugzilla oder mailinglist?
[11:20] <lamont> theantix: either 'straw', or 'UNKNOWN' (if straw not found)
[11:20] <chapeaurouge> where is the init for console multi-user?
[11:20] <lamont> component is source package.  sadly (or happily, dunno some days) not all source packages are there.
[11:23] <punkass> anyone here using ndiswrapper?
[11:23] <lamont> can anyone reproduce #1577 using util-linux_2.12-7ubuntu4?
[11:25] <Chriffer> All these wierd mouse problems need to be fixed the random doubleclicks and the inability to drag through the menus is really starting to annoy me
[11:25] <fin> on a laptop, whats the general /dev for a ps/2 mouse?
[11:25] <truk-away> dev/psaux
[11:25] <fin> im confused cause there is one for touch and for mouse, i would like to keep the touch pad, just in case, but i wanna use a ps/2 mouse if its plugged in at boot
[11:26] <fin> hmm, it has that,  but the mouse still no workied
[11:26] <jg_> fin: often /dev/input/mice is more what you want....
[11:26] <fin> have that as well
[11:26] <chapeaurouge> fin, i wrote a howto for that, specifically for synaptics touchpad
[11:26] <fin> the touchpad works, but not the mouse :(
[11:26] <fin> chap: link?
[11:26] <chapeaurouge> just a sec..
[11:26] <fin> thanks!
[11:27] <jg_> so ubuntu tells me there is no APM support in the kernel....  (I'm on a laptop).
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/index.php?m=show&id=887
[11:27] <jg_> anyone have a clue what I should do?
[11:27] <truk-away> jg_: have you tried acpi?
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> look at the bootom to make both mouses work
[11:27] <jg_> truk-away: laptop too old for acpi.
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> EVERY RUNLEVEL HAS GDM start?!?!?
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> ARGH.
[11:27] <truk-away> jg_: ok
[11:28] <truk-away> chapeaurouge: runlevel 2 has gdm?
[11:28] <fin> thanks again chap: letcha know how it works :)
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> yes
[11:28] <cartman> whats the nickname of "Matt Zimmerman" ?
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> everyone of them
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> except 1 (for maintenance, fortunately!!)
[11:28] <schweeb> cartman: mdz
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> np fin
[11:28] <cartman> schweeb: cheers
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> runlevel 2 should be without gdm
[11:28] <schweeb> mdz rules.
[11:28] <truk-away> umm, that's bad, report that as a bug, if you think is wrong (i think is wrong)
[11:28] <cartman> mdz: ping?
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> truk-away, ok
[11:29] <cartman> brb
[11:30] <cartman> mdz: re-ping :)
[11:30] <mdz> cartman: yes?
[11:31] <cartman> mdz: ( I am not subscribed to ubuntu-devel so I tell here ) ntp.nasa.gov is open to public
[11:31] <cartman> + reliable
[11:33] <cartman> anyway laters
[11:45] <tvon|X31> poort cartman...everything he said I heard it in South Park Cartman's voice
[11:45] <theantix> heh
[11:46] <wm_eddie> http://www.planetbeagle.org/ anybody else not able to click on the links on the right?
[11:46] <wm_eddie> (In firefox)
[11:47] <wm_eddie> (The links section to be specific)
[11:47] <joebeastie> cant in safari
[11:47] <joebeastie> links and feed do not work
<a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/">Beagle</a></li> .. yup
[11:49] <theantix> doesn't work in epiphany either
[11:49] <wm_eddie> interesting...
[11:51] <wm_eddie> might be a geko bug.. or whatever it is called.
[11:54] <housetier> some of those links work
[11:56] <tvon|X31> yeah
[11:56] <tvon|X31> but they all *should*
[11:57] <thom> i think someone's fried the markup
[11:58] <thom> first two work, past that nada
[11:58] <theantix> if you copy the sidebar html to a new document, all the links work -- very odd
[11:59] <tvon|X31> include the css?
[11:59] <tvon|X31> I figured it was some css margin/padding/overlap problem
[11:59] <socomm> Hello, anyone know why the xv video driver will not work with Mplayer and Totem?
[11:59] <theantix> nope, that might be it