[22:14] <xcfdjSe7en> ActionParsnip, everything works trust me , I even booted that same exact ISO on a virtual box and worked
[22:14] <GMH> bc81: never heard fo theo ther two; barely heard of damn small linux and no, i haevn't checked it out yet
[22:14] <qebab> ashish: they stay until they are deallocated
[22:15] <ohsix> bc81: even running nothing will be a problem when you try and browse the web or do anything really :\
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> xcfdjSe7en: well then if everything works, it must be fine right?
[22:15] <J697> bc81, would I have better luck with internet on a smaller linux variant?
[22:15] <piotrek> siema głomby
[22:15] <GMH> gdm = gnome, right?
[22:15] <piotrek> CZEŚĆ JEŁOPY CO U WAS
[22:15] <ashish> qebab, and if they are created in a function which is called from a main function , do they still remain allocated?
[22:15] <LjL> GMH: it's the Gnome Display Manager - the login screen
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: its the data which would be on the USB after you create it, like a drive image
[22:15] <GMH> okay
[22:15] <LjL> !cz | piotrek
[22:15] <ohsix> GMH: you can try looking at the output of smem and see what's contributing to actual memory use, and just remove or use those parts differently; the web browser dwarfs everything on any machine i've had since about 2005
[22:15] <GMH> okay, then i'm choosing lxdm.  this is in a "configuring lxdm" screen, saying that only one thing can do one x server at a time or something.
[22:16] <guntbert> !pl | piotrek
[22:16] <piotrek> co ty pierdolisz czechu?
[22:16] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: right, but i'm not sure where you're speaking about getting it, or producing it
[22:16] <xcfdjSe7en> just want to know if there is another Live USB creator that is compatible with Ubuntu Netbook Edition other than usb-creator , Unetbootin , "dd"
[22:16] <GMH> ohsix: oh yes, i've been using epiphany because firefox just makes everything crazily slow.
[22:16] <qebab> ashish: if they are created with malloc() or similar, they stay until free() is used on them
[22:16] <qebab> ashish: this is a question for #C though
[22:16] <ohsix> xcfdjSe7en: doesn't your distro have a package for usb-creator-(gtk|kde) ?
[22:16] <ashish> qebab, I cant connect to that, I have registered and everything
[22:17] <ashish> qebab, just cant connect
[22:17] <ashish> but this somehow answers my question
[22:17] <ashish> thanks
[22:17] <guntbert> ashish: you are not identified
[22:17] <Pnux> hey, whats a good place to put some user created bash scripts so they wont mess the real OS, but still being able to execute from a terminal?
[22:17] <ohsix> GMH: hm, you might try chrome, it gets updates more often and uses the same browsing engine; but you'll still be severely limited in what you can do at any speed even if you remove everything with only 256mb of ram
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: may help http://www.webupd8.org/2009/04/4-ways-to-create-bootable-live-usb.html
[22:17] <ashish> guntbert, I was able to connect earlier today, just not now
[22:17] <wl_deav> hows about /home Pnux?
[22:17] <ardchoille> Pnux: create a folder ~/bin and put them there
[22:17] <LjL> Pnux: depends... ~/bin/ or /usr/local/bin/ may be candidates
[22:17] <wl_deav> though directory alone won't give you any kind of security or control Pnux
[22:18] <guntbert> ashish: you need to identify with services
[22:18] <Pnux> oh nice.. didnt know that, thans ashish, wl_deav and ljL
[22:18] <bc81> J697: not necessarily, it will be more hassle in the long run.  run this and see if you have any blocks >> rfkill list
[22:18] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: right but i'm trying to connect up the thread where you would have had me believe, and be in the wrong; about having an filesystem in the first place thats appropriate to be put directly on a drive
[22:18] <xcfdjSe7en> ohsix, if usb-creator is the only tool that is able to boot Ubuntu Netbook E ,than I guess I have no other option but installing that tool
[22:18] <guntbert> !identify | ashish
[22:18] <xcfdjSe7en> anyway , thank you very much ActionParsnip and ohsix for the help , I really appreciate it
[22:19] <ohsix> xcfdjSe7en: it's not the only way, but it's one way that works well and people have actually used without trouble; you installed unetbootin already didn't you? what's the diff? :]
[22:19] <Docfxit> The app I'm trying to install is doublecmd.  I downloaded it from the web page.  I selected Software Center to install it.  Software Center says it installed.  When I select it from Applications , Accessories it doesn't run.
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: img file, different to ISO
[22:19] <xcfdjSe7en> ohsix, Unetbootin doesnt boot at all
[22:19] <Abinadi> !sound
[22:19] <J697> bc81, I got "0: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no"
[22:19] <Docfxit> If I run it from terminal I get an error saying: doublecmd: error while loading shared libraries: libhal.so.1: cannot open shared
[22:19] <ohsix> ... alright, and they don't have them for mav or lucid or anything since jaunty?
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: not sure but I know it could, its a different way to store the installer image
[22:20] <ohsix> xcfdjSe7en: i know, i was just saying; you installed that already to try and get it to work (and in my experience it doesn't work!) what's the problem with installing usb-creator for the same reason
[22:20] <Docfxit> I'm running from a USB thumbdrive with persistence
[22:20] <StukaBR> Hi,
[22:20] <xcfdjSe7en> I find it weird though , 'cause I used Unetbootin and "dd" for all my distros , and I encounter no issues at all
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: and uses dd (or another tool) to put the image on the usb
[22:20] <StukaBR> what's the best version of ubuntu?
[22:20] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: right,  but you need the image :\
[22:20] <Somelauw> Is it possible that evince wastes a lot of memory.
[22:21] <wl_deav> for what StukaBR?
[22:21] <Somelauw> My computer is hanging a lot when viewing pdf's.
[22:21] <StukaBR> domestical use
[22:21] <StukaBR> private use'
[22:21] <ThinkT510> !info xpdf
[22:21] <J697> bc81, I got "0: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no"
[22:21] <ardchoille> StukaBR: Ubuntu 10.10
[22:21] <jenia> How do I configure gnome, so that it starts in compiz mode instead of me starting it every time, when I load gnome?
[22:21] <StukaBR> Is the version 10.10 stable?
[22:21] <wl_deav> desktop PC, laptop, netbook? StukaBR
[22:21] <StukaBR> laptop
[22:21] <_skpl> jenia: startup applications. in the preferences menu
[22:21] <guntbert> StukaBR: all released versions are stable
[22:21] <Somelauw> 10.10 is stable
[22:21] <ardchoille> StukaBR: I found it very stable
[22:21] <StukaBR> ok
[22:21] <StukaBR> thanks
[22:22] <bc81> J697: sorry, i can't help you.  try the forums, you might have better luck there
[22:22] <StukaBR> I already have the 9 point something but i'm thinking to give install another one
[22:22] <ohsix> xcfdjSe7en: i've only used netbootin to stuff vista/xp on usb drives; i had usb-creator already available to do anyhting else
[22:22] <StukaBR> because i use the windows and ubuntu
[22:22] <Somelauw> Was /!pdf directed to me?
[22:22] <StukaBR> now, i'm thinkin to only use the ubuntu
[22:22] <StukaBR> thinking'
[22:22] <needlez> J697: does your card still not work?
[22:23] <J697> needlez, nope
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> jenia: in the startup items, add a new item to run:  compiz --replace     should be fine
[22:23] <intok> Whats the most pain free way to multiboot ubuntu, debian squeeze and Mac OS X? My /home is on it's own partition already.
[22:23] <mbeierl> is it possible to manage an ipod's songs under ubuntu if the ipod is at version 4.2.1?  I've done it before with an ipod at 4.1, but with the same model at 4.2.1 the procedure does not work
[22:23] <ThinkT510> Somelauw: its a lightwieght pdf reader, i like it
[22:23] <xcfdjSe7en> ohsix, usb-creator only worked for Ubuntu / Ubuntu based dists .. I find iy very bizarre
[22:23] <J697> Although I am about to install fedora linux
[22:23] <needlez> J697: have you tried to use ndiswrapper to get it working??
[22:23] <xcfdjSe7en> for me I mean
[22:23] <jenia> _skpl: Isn't it going to load compiz after metacity loads in gnome? what I need is start already in compiz, instead of loading it after loading to gnome.
[22:23] <J697> what is that?
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> mbeierl: does rhythmnbox not do it?
[22:23] <ohsix> xcfdjSe7en: shrug, works with ISOs
[22:23] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip: No.
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> !ipod | mbeierl
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> mbeierl: thats all I know on iPods
[22:24] <GMH> lubuntu installed; now logging out and back in
[22:24] <needlez> ndiswrapper can use the windows xp drivers to run the card, you might try that
[22:24] <ledbettj> I have a (new) wireless mini pcie card in my laptop; it never seems to show up on boot, only if i force a pci rescan from /sys/bus/pci/rescan ; after that it works fine -- any ideas what could be happening?
[22:24] <jenia> ActionParsnip: But that will load compiz after metacity loads in gnome? what I need is start already in compiz, instead of loading it after loading to gnome.
[22:24] <ohsix> mbeierl: is the ipod plugin actually turned on in rhythmbox? (you can check in the prefs)
[22:24] <hosoka> hello, where are the pictures of the wallpaper stored by default ?
[22:24] <J697> needlez, Windows is no longer installed though
[22:24] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip: thanks.  been there done that.  Works for the earlier 4.1 ios, but with Apple's latest 4.2.1 does not  appear to work
[22:24] <Guest76795> what i need to learn programming
[22:24] <ed___> does anyone know how to use PXE to install a linux distro from an iso to a netbook?
[22:24] <Yerushalmi> ActionParsnip: No good. The command redrew all my open windows but didn't restore my desktop. (It took me a while to get to the point where I could run the command, heh)
[22:24] <mbeierl> ohsix: double checking now...
[22:24] <Guest76795> advices ?
[22:25] <ohsix> mbeierl: as of 10.10 all the proper bits are there, so it should work
[22:25] <Jordan_U> xcfdjSe7en: In what way did it nor work? What *did* happen?
[22:25] <Somelauw> ThinkT510: Does it work on all pdf's? For windows I like sumatra as pdf reader, but it can't open some pdf's.
[22:25] <JQQ> Any reason I should go with 9.* or 10.4 instead of 10.10?
[22:25] <mbeierl> ohsix: what would the plugin be called.  Sorry - I had only tried gtkpod and banshee I guestt I didn't check for the plugin for rhythmbox
[22:26] <VCoolio> Guest76795: a pc, a task and a chosen language, I'd say python, c or bash
[22:26] <mbeierl> ohsix: portable players - iPod?
[22:26] <VCoolio> Guest76795: and a manual, to be easily found on the web
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> Yerushalmi: try pressing ALT+F2 and run:  nautils
[22:26] <ohsix> mbeierl: yea
[22:26] <GMH> i've got three choices
[22:26] <schock> hi. I'm installing 10.10 on a sony vaio VPCZ1
[22:26] <GMH> lubuntu, lubuntu netbook, and LXDE
[22:26] <GMH> which one should i pick?
[22:26] <ThinkT510> Somelauw: works on the ones i read, but i must admit i don't read many pdfs, usually just the manual for virtualbox
[22:27] <schock> i almost had the nvidia grpahics card working
[22:27] <Jordan_U> Yerushalmi: ActionParsnip: "nautilus"
[22:27] <ohsix> GMH: pick them all, if oyu have the HD space, then try em on for size
[22:27] <schock> but now things are hosed :(
[22:27] <s5fs_away> JQQ: I'd go with 10.10.
[22:27] <schock> anyone have experience with this?
[22:27] <ThinkT510> Somelauw: you could always try installing sumatrapdf in wine
[22:27] <ohsix> GMH: i suspect you still won't get much satisfaction from any of them
[22:27] <GMH> ohsix: i meant that i already have them installed.  though i guess your answer still applies.
[22:27] <mbeierl> ohsix: what's the m4a plugin for rhythbox called...?  "None of the tracks are in a format supported... etc"
[22:27] <ardchoille> JQQ: 10.04 is a LTS release, supported for 3 years on the desktop
[22:27] <piotrek> I'm from Nokia people and I answer on your questions. Please give me Questions..
[22:27] <ohsix> GMH: ya, you can pick which one to run at the bottom of the login screen
[22:27] <Yerushalmi> ActionParsnip: No good; Nautilus doesn't work for me and hasn't for weeks. Although I've discovered that it *does* work in UNE2D. Maybe there's a connection?
[22:28]  * GMH picks Lubuntu
[22:28] <Somelauw> The pdf I am trying to view contains a ridiculous amount of images. Could that be a problem?
[22:28] <Chipzzz> hosoka: /usr/share/backgrounds
[22:28] <schock> piotrek: wtf is nokia thinking partnering with winblows instead of android :P
[22:28] <ohsix> mbeierl: you need to look to gstreamer for that, i just install all the plugin packages so i don't know which one in particular would fix just that; some are in the universe repository and you'll have to enable it
[22:28] <sneakyimp> Does anyone know how to disable DNS cache in firefox?
[22:28] <ThinkT510> Somelauw: try it out and see, you can always uninstall it later
[22:28] <Somelauw> ThinkT510: Yes, but that will probably be slower and more space consuming because wine needs to do extra work.
[22:28] <piotrek> I love Microsoft windows an I hate Linux and Unix and others shitos!
[22:28] <guntbert> !language | schock
[22:28] <intok> Whats the most pain free way to multiboot ubuntu, debian squeeze and Mac OS X? I've already got OS X and Deb installed, my /home is on it's own partition already.
[22:28] <sneakyimp> schock: good question
[22:28] <xcfdjSe7en> Jordan_U, shows that orange screen with "default " and counting down .. and everytime it reaches 0 it just restarts over the countdown
[22:29] <sneakyimp> schock: i hear there was money involved
[22:29] <bc81> lol piotrek
[22:29] <guntbert> !ot | sneakyimp, schock
[22:29] <piotrek> We love windows operating system!
[22:29] <ardchoille> !ops | piotrek
[22:29] <schock> jeez sorry
[22:29] <ohsix> mbeierl: package names are like so: gstreamer0.10-plugins-(bad|good|ugly) and the same with -multiverse at the end
[22:29] <piotrek> Nokia love MS
[22:29] <mbeierl> ohsix: yep.  got the ugly and all the others.  Will continue to search
[22:29] <Jordan_U> !ot | piotrek
[22:29] <GMH> piotrek: 2/10 try elsewhere
[22:30] <ohsix> mbeierl: it could be that drm protected content might be unplayable, i don't know much about that either; never used itunes with mine
[22:30] <Chipzzz> piotrek: we do not feed trolls, sorry
[22:30] <schock> um sorry bout that :)
[22:30] <GMH> ooh, nice, Lubuntu only has two desktops
[22:30] <GMH> that helps obviously
[22:30] <schock> anyhoo, as I was asking... anyone here w/experience installing ubuntu on sony vaioz series?
[22:30] <piotrek> !ot | piotrek
[22:30] <schock> or, is there another channel i should try?
[22:30] <mbeierl> ohsix: these are clear m4as.  I can add them and play them with banshee ...
[22:30] <JQQ> i know apple makes bootcamp drivers for windows, but are there any issues using the volume keys or audio drivers etc with Ubuntu 10.4 or 10.10 if i put it on a brand new MBP 13"??
[22:30] <ThinkT510> GMH: you can set more virtual desktops if you want
[22:30] <ohsix> GMH: that is configurable in any desktop; and they basically just move windows around, they don't use that many resources
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> mbeierl: you can install windows in a non-ose virtualbox and use itunes, yo9ur system may struggle if it's mid to low range as you will be using BOTH OSes at the same time but you will be able to use iTunes.
[22:31] <mbeierl> ohsix: but as I said... will do a little more searching to see if I'm missing a plugin
[22:31] <piotrek> do your know what means "DUPA" ??
[22:31] <ardchoille> Please kick the troll, we don't need the disruption IMO
[22:31] <ohsix> mbeierl: good, glad i could point some things out
[22:32] <lotus> Hi, is there any default remote access with user/pass in ubuntu?  I didn't install SSH and I need to access my work computer.  Is this possible without going back to the lab?
[22:32] <mbeierl> ohsix: thanks.  I'll let you know if rhythmbox can solve it where gtkpod couldn't...
[22:32] <sneakyimp> i'm trying to set up Ubuntu for PHP dev server.  I added some apache conf with a 301 redirect in it yesterday and promptly disabled it.  Firefox held on to the 301 redirect until I cleared my cache today.  Is there any way to easily clear firefox cache on firefox/ubuntu?
[22:32] <eksit> #ubuntu-nl
[22:32] <tsimpson> lotus: no, absolutely nothing by default
[22:32] <mman> lotus,  yes there is
[22:32] <lotus> tsimpson: that is sad
[22:32] <lotus> mman: that makes me smile ^^
[22:32] <tsimpson> lotus: Ubuntu comes with no network facing services by default
[22:33] <ohsix> mbeierl: i haven't looked at gtkpod in a while, but iirc it's supposed to be using usbmuxd and all that fancy stuff that the new ipod os'ii work; if it doesn't do it now it might be a bug
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> lotus: if you need ssh access instal openssh-server  it has X forwarding enabled by default :)
[22:33] <Abinadi> !sound
[22:33] <tsimpson> unlike windows, we let you choose to install that yourself ;)
[22:33] <lotus> ActionParsnip: yeah, how to do without ssh access
[22:33] <Chipzzz> mman: what, then?
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> lotus: do what?
[22:33] <GMH[ubuntu]> yay i am now connected to the internet!
[22:33] <lotus> ActionParsnip: install ssh
[22:33]  * GMH[ubuntu] is using Lubuntu
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> lotus: hmm, you'll need physical access then
[22:33] <mman> Chipzzz, i did it once
[22:34] <lotus> ActionParsnip: :)  I'm not infront of the computer.  I don't want to bike altheway back.
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> GMH[ubuntu]: welcome to the revolutions :)
[22:34] <mman> im looking for it
[22:34] <lotus> it's cold out.
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> lotus: anyone local?
[22:34] <GMH[ubuntu]> ActionParsnips: lol.  well, if you want a quick story of why i have ubuntu on thismachine in the first place:
[22:34] <ohsix> GMH: theres something you can turn on to compress swap and get a bit more unf; i think it was disabled in 10.10 though, or the name changed and the init scripts didn't catch up :[ it was nice while i was able to use it
[22:34] <sneakyimp> another question i have is about using /etc/network/interfaces to make my machine think it's hosting various domains.  is that ok?  for instance, i'm working on mydomain.com.  I put <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/network/interfaces and my browser thinks mydomain.com is hosted by local machine.  is that stupid or reasonable?
[22:34] <ThinkT510> !yay | GMH[ubuntu]
[22:34] <Chipzzz> mman: ty... I'm curious too...
[22:34] <lotus> No, it's saturday noone there.
[22:34] <mman> lotus, you go to system-> remote desktop
[22:34]  * drc raises his virtual beer glass to GMH[ubuntu]
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> lotus: hmm, then you are stuck
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> !beer
[22:35]  * GMH[ubuntu] raises virtual beer glass to drc
[22:35] <tsimpson> sneakyimp: you mean /etc/hosts?
[22:35] <mman> Chipzzz, system-> remote desktop
[22:35] <Chipzzz> mman: ty
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> mman: no physical access, so isn't able to do that
[22:35] <drc> GMH[ubuntu]: This means the next round is on you
[22:35] <sneakyimp> tsimpson, doh yes i do
[22:35] <Bogus8> Anyone in here have experience installing wavemaker?
[22:35] <mbeierl> ohsix: I was missing the -multiverse ugly and bad.  m4a support now there for rhythmbox, but - no luck getting the song onto the ipod.  It transfers, but the ipod does not show it in its song list.
[22:35] <tsimpson> sneakyimp: yeah, unless you have access to a DNS server, that's what /etc/hosts is there for
[22:35] <GMH[ubuntu]> This machine had XP when i first got it back in 2003.  XP died unexpectedly sometime in 2007 I believe, and was unrecoverable.  In early 2008 I had a friend install Ubuntu.  It wasn't an easy install since this machine lacks a functional CD drive, and he had to jump through various hoops to get it running.
[22:35] <mman> ActionParsnip, what do u mean with no physical access?
[22:36] <lotus> mman: he means I'm at home and the lab is a cold bike ride away.
[22:36] <Chipzzz> mman: it is disabled by default... what he wants to do is avoid a trip to work to enable something
[22:36] <mman> lotus, mmm in that case you have noooo chance:P
[22:36] <lotus> I think I should look at the bike ride as brisk and inviting...
[22:36] <GMH[ubuntu]> then i mostly ignored it until recently, when I actually got to know someone in meatspace who ran ubuntu and could help me out with stuff, and then i sent my main computer into the shop so i need another computer to use.
[22:36] <sneakyimp> tsimpson: yes, the idea is that i set and work at my awesome new ubuntu workstation and when i request somedomain.com i can map it to the local apache server and the local apache server, rather than just pointing me to the default home page will use the virtual host for that domain.  sounds like a reasonable thing to do?
[22:36] <Chipzzz> lol
[22:37] <mman> lotus, maybe if u hack it:P
[22:37] <itaylor57> mbeierl: I haven't been able to connect .1to ios 4.2 devices, I don't think it can be done even in 10.10
[22:37] <familia> http://ubuntuforum-br.org/index.php/topic,79129.0.html
[22:37] <GMH[ubuntu]> This computer currently runs Ubuntu 10.04.
[22:37] <familia> help me
[22:37] <familia> http://ubuntuforum-br.org/index.php/topic,79129.0.html
[22:37] <ohsix> mbeierl: ah, something might have changed then, that happens; the usbmuxd and gtkpod guys should have a blog or mailing list post about it if they know already
[22:37] <guntbert> !here | familia
[22:37] <tsimpson> sneakyimp: absolutely fine :)
[22:37] <familia> help me
[22:37] <familia> http://ubuntuforum-br.org/index.php/topic,79129.0.html
[22:37] <lotus> mman: any exploits on a fresh ubuntu 10.10 install?  ^^  *hmmm millworm*
[22:37] <sneakyimp> tsimpson, thank you for your time :D
[22:37] <mman> lotus, no idea my friend... :P
[22:38] <mbeierl> ohsix: been in #gtkpod already - quiet, will keep searching, but no luck with google so far.  Been searching for quite some time before asking here... never know!
[22:38] <tsimpson> lotus: as there is nothing facing the network by default, it wouldn't matter if there were any exploits ;)
[22:38] <bc81> !botsnack
[22:38] <lotus> tsimpson: I did install git and aapache
[22:38] <mbeierl> itaylor57: I can connect, just cannot update the itunes library to add new songs without running official itunes
[22:38] <lotus> also ruby and some apache modules
[22:38] <itaylor57> mbeierl: same here
[22:38] <mman> lotus, maybe with apache you can get something
[22:39] <tsimpson> lotus: neither are privileged, www-data (what apache runs as) has pretty much no access to anything unless you explicitly give it some
[22:39] <ohsix> GMH: it could be hairy but could also pay off to be played with on your machine, see COMPCACHE_SIZE in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[22:40] <mman> lotus, oooorrr dont be that lazy and go to ur lab:P
[22:40] <ohsix> GMH: the patch set was reworked in newer kernels and isn't as nice as just changing that though :\
[22:41] <tsimpson> lotus: I think it would be easier and quicker to physically get to the computer than attempt to find a working exploit, and then figure out how to use then, then to actually use it to do what you want :)
[22:41] <GMH[win]> okay, lubuntu is currently using 163 MB of 243
[22:41] <GMH[win]> this is with chromium loaded to tvtropes.org
[22:41] <mman> lotus, agree with tsimpson
[22:41] <GMH[win]> which has its fair share of ads
[22:41] <lotus> tsimpson: yes you're right I'm realizing that.
[22:41] <lotus> *grabs coat*
[22:41] <GMH[win]> lemme try loading gmail non-basic HTML, which crashed firefox when i ran it in gnome before
[22:41] <lotus> Thanks anyways ^^
[22:41] <Chipzzz> familia: what does lshw return?
[22:41] <ohsix> GMH: be sure to look at the output of smem and not top or something like it; the numbers are hard to interpret usefully to the uninitiated
[22:42] <GMH[win]> what's smem?  the system monitor / task manager/
[22:42] <GMH[win]> ?
[22:42] <ohsix> GMH: also re: firefox and chromium/epiphany, firefox can block ads and images and flash and all sorts of things easily that is usually a win overall
[22:42] <Chipzzz> GMH[win]: smem is a memory tool
[22:43] <ohsix> GMH: smem is a command line script that does all the work finding a sober guess at actual memory use, it's also the name of the package you can apt-get install :]
[22:43] <pebblix> GMH: Are you enjoying your cup of ubuntu ? :)
[22:43] <iamgregor> I have two drives installed on my computer. I installed Ubuntu to both because it wasn't working at first. How do I know which my computer booted from? Is it the one called "File System" listed first after Desktop?
[22:43] <longcat> what is the package that lets me put a temperature monitor on the gnome dock?
[22:43] <GMH[win]> i'm less enjoying using it (since i don't know how to and it's rather slow) and more enjoying learning it
[22:43] <kevdog> hey
[22:44] <Krycek> GNOME Sensors Applet  ?
[22:44] <mman> iamgregor, in console do: sudo fdisk -l
[22:45] <tux0r> I need help from someone with advanced grub/windows7 bootloader please
[22:45] <kevdog> anyone know when the blackhat convention is??  the competition to crack the browsers
[22:45] <pebblix> GMH: 15 years learning everything about open source software. Its been an awesome ride and i plan on enjoying it for the next 50 years :)
[22:45] <mman> tux0r, what happen?
[22:45] <guntbert> !ot | kevdog
[22:45] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I'm sharing pictures folder with other users on the same box, permissions are setup as 744, however to make the softlink, I have to log in as the user and create the link???  If I make it as root, then it belongs to root, if I change the softlink then the picture folder it points to gets a new owner.
[22:46] <kevdog> I love ot
[22:46] <Yerushalmi> ActionParsnip: Okay, I'm not going to pretend to understand what's going on here. But nautilus evidently works again. And Alt+F2 is a useful combination I should have learned about a long time ago. I still have no desktop, though :p
[22:46] <iamgregor> Thanks!
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> Yerushalmi: nautilus draws the desktop icons
[22:46] <pebblix> shane4ubuntu: chown SOME_CHOMD_HERE link
[22:46] <iamgregor> Is the one listed first the real system disk? I'd like to wipe the non-system disk
[22:46] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: unless that pesky gconf key tells it not to
[22:46] <ThinkT510> shane4ubuntu: have you considered a seperate share partition, then set the permissions per user
[22:46] <shane4ubuntu> pebblix: doing that then changes the original folder to belong to the person I chown it to.
[22:46] <pebblix> shane4ubuntu: chown USER:GROUP link (sorry)
[22:47] <geogeek1> hi
[22:47] <Chikokishi> How do i add a printer in the pdf viewer program?
[22:47] <bc81> hi^^
[22:47] <Yerushalmi> ActionParsnip: Didn't know that. But I have nautilus open - and no desktop.
[22:47] <shane4ubuntu> ThinkT510: I don't want to mess around with a separate partition, permissions is sufficient to setup the shared folder.
[22:47] <jkg> Chikokishi: you dd it through System > Administration > Printing first.
[22:47] <jkg> er, add even
[22:48] <GMH[win]> how would i turn off tap-to-click in Lubuntu?
[22:48] <shane4ubuntu> pebblix: that ends up changing the original folder's owner too though
[22:48] <pebblix> shane4ubuntu: You will never have to be logged in as the user for whom with edit permissions as.
[22:48] <dxy> anyone here on PS3 box running ubuntu?
[22:48] <geogeek1> how i could use mv or cp without telling the name of the destination file to be the same as the original
[22:48] <mman> iamgregor, what i would do, is check how big is the partition you are using right now. And then compare it to those that appeared in the fdisk -l
[22:48] <pebblix> shane4ubuntu: Fast to check..
[22:48] <Chikokishi> jkg ok im in that menu and i went to "add network printer" and its asking for "host"?
[22:49] <geogeek1> by giving in the second arg just the path not the name of destnation  file
[22:49] <bc81> GMH[win]: ask in #lubuntu (you might get better responses)
[22:49] <mman> geogeek1, what do mean?
[22:49] <Chipzzz> GMH[win]: isn't that a bios function?
[22:49] <thekardinal> is your printer connected to your computer or a router?
[22:49] <GMH[win]> oh, lubuntu has its own channel?
[22:49]  * GMH[win] goes there
[22:49] <Chikokishi> im connected into a net work that the printer is on.
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> geogeek1: mv file /path/to/dest
[22:49] <pebblix> shane4ubuntu: Any link will most likely contain the parents folders rights. You can consider them beeing transparent if not hard linked.
[22:50] <Chikokishi> Im at school and if you hardwire to the wall you should be able to find the printer (it works in windows atleast...)
[22:50] <aplund> Anyone got any hints on this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1691307
[22:50] <jkg> I found work's new xerox tok a couple of minutes to appear in the list, but it did show up. do yo have any details/addresses for the printer or print server
[22:50] <Chikokishi> I dont know anything about the printer.
[22:50] <geogeek1> mman: when i use mv i must specify the name of the file in the 1st arg but if i like to name like the originale file how to do that without typing the same name in the 2 args
[22:50] <shane4ubuntu> pebblix: I guess I can own the link since it is pointed to a folder that has 744 permissions?
[22:51] <jkg> apologies for the odd missing letter, I'm on a really laggy connection and my session occasionally misses keystrokes
[22:51] <shane4ubuntu> pebblix: wouldn't really matter at that point?
[22:51] <tux0r> mman, I have multiple hdds, a E:\ 1TB - Windows 7 drive (i/dev/sdc1) and another "extra" drive that I believe is C:\ 500GB (/dev/sda1) - each of these drives is only 1 partition at full capacity. I had Grub configured correctly and windows was able to be booted from grub with no problem.  I would now like my bootmgr for windows to be on the E:\ drive which is where I think the grub boot loader is installed to unless it's on my other-other Linux 500GB - (/dev/sdd1). I'm so confused and am at a loss here.
[22:51] <pebblix> aplund: Make it not suspend using hdparm or sdparm. Didnt read thru it though.
[22:51] <geogeek1> ActionParsnip:  thanks tooo much :)
[22:51] <aplund> pebblix: that would change restoring of the monitor?
[22:51] <GMH> ActionParsnip: so lubuntu comes with a suite of its own apps that are lighter than gnome's, such as task manager instead of system monitor?
[22:51] <Chikokishi> Oh i think i found it
[22:51] <pebblix> shane4ubuntu: I think so, yes.
[22:52] <GMH> FWIW it's already working better.
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> aplund: http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+latitude+d630  may help
[22:52] <mycosys> tuxor - you will need to use ur windows install disk and run recovery
[22:52] <shane4ubuntu> pebblix: ohh, one small thing, I can't make the link because I don't have write permissions to their directory, so it is owned by root.
[22:52] <mycosys> windows 7 reserves a 100M partition for its bootloader
[22:52] <tux0r> mycosys, so it doesn't sound like it's a grub issue?
[22:52] <Chikokishi> yayi found it thanks!
[22:52] <tux0r> why would it reserve it on another hdd
[22:52] <shane4ubuntu> pebblix: I feel like I'm running in circles here.
[22:52] <mycosys> not i fyou killed win7s bootloader, no
[22:53] <mman> tux0r, didnt understand much your problem
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> GMH: yes, it uses abiword, osmosis and gnumeric instead of opeoffice, it also uses pcmanfm2 for file management and xfburn for CD/DVD burning
[22:53] <tux0r> mycosys, how do I tell where grub is installed
[22:53] <bc81> that's where microsoft stors your deepest, darkets secrets...the 100MB boot loader partition
[22:53]  * tux0r hopes it's not on his windows drive
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> mycosys: 100Mb, yikes!
[22:53] <mycosys> lol
[22:54] <pebblix> aplund: Ah, sorry. I read it wrong. Nvidia / hmmz :) .. The trickiest driver known to man :)
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> GMH: stuff like that (leafpad instead of gedit too)
[22:54] <GMH> oh gedit isn't light?
[22:54] <GMH> never knew that.
[22:54] <mman> tux0r, you could install it again if you want
[22:54] <aplund> What's the story with nvidia-common version numbers?
[22:54]  * GMH is used to using gedit, and being confused about emacs, from using red hat computers at school
[22:54] <leapy0yo> how do i mount a cue and bin file?
[22:54] <tux0r> mman, why would i install it again when the whole file system is perfect
[22:54] <leapy0yo> an iso
[22:54] <aplund> It says impoved with 100.14.19 but I have 260.19.06 installed
[22:54] <aplund> is there really that many versions?
[22:54] <Abinadi> !video
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> GMH: not as light as leafpad. You are completely at liberty to use/install gedit if you wish
[22:55] <mman> tux0r, i ment grub
[22:55] <panday> hi, need reference to harden baackcktr
[22:55] <tux0r> mman, i've done that
[22:55] <bazhang> panday, ask in backtrack support NOT here
[22:55] <mman> tux0r, ok, then i didnt get ur problem:P
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> GMH: i use nautilus in lubuntu but add the option: --no-desktop   so that pcmanfm stil manages the desktop
[22:55] <tux0r> how do i find out what hdd the grub boot loader is on
[22:55] <mycosys> i dont honestly kknow  tux0r
[22:56] <mycosys> i know its config files are in /boot/grub
[22:56] <shane4ubuntu> pebblix: ok, just tried and it doesn't matter if it belongs to root, just means they cannot delete the link
[22:56] <mycosys> reinstalling grub wouldnt hurt tho
[22:56] <tux0r> mycosys, yeah i did that :/
[22:56] <induz_> ok kdenlive is working now but it crashes
[22:56] <Abinadi> tux0r, it's on your boot drive
[22:56] <mman> tux0r, try to search for that /boot/grub as mycosys says
[22:56] <mycosys> if you have reinstalled windows you will definitely need to - windows will overwrite it
[22:56]  * KM0201 is installing lubuntu
[22:56] <Chipzzz> tux0r: do you get a grub menu if you press space while the machine boots?
[22:56] <mbeierl> ohsix: btw... I get this from rhythmbox output when I run it from the cmdline: "Could not write database to iPod: Failed to generate sqlite database"
[22:56] <tucemiux> anyone ever had a problem right clicking a link in firefox?  I want to right click firefox but nothing happens!
[22:56] <rumpe1> tux0r, dd if=/dev/sda | strings | head -n 4
[22:56] <tux0r> so most likely if I only used 1 drive for install linux it would be on that
[22:56] <mman> tux0r, and where you find it, thats the one that has grub :P
[22:56] <sam555> hello all!
[22:57] <tucemiux> !bug
[22:57] <JQQ> does anyone know of a DLNA Media Server for Ubuntu that I could play my videos on computer on my xbox over LAN?
[22:57] <sam555> i've recently uninstalled ubuntu 9.10 on a machiine that dual booted to win7 and ubuntu.  I removed the ubuntu 9.10 installation in win7.  However, when I reboot, it tries to use grub, which fails.  How do I remove the grub installation and let windows do the start up?
[22:57] <mman> JQQ, check mythbuntu
[22:57] <ohsix> mbeierl: odd, they might have changed the location or something in the firmware update, what was the new version again?
[22:57] <sneakyimp> i just ran apt-get install phpmyadmin but when i try to access localhost/phpmyadmin i get 404
[22:57] <tux0r> rumpe1: http://www.pastie.org/1583863
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> JQQ: mediatomb possibly
[22:58] <shane4ubuntu> ok, is there an easy way to copy a link from one location to another with cli?  cp link ../user/   gives me error, omitting direcotry link
[22:58] <JQQ> do i have to reintsall ubuntu as/with mythbuntu
[22:58] <mycosys> tuxor - it would likely be on the drive that was ur boot drive when u installed linux
[22:58] <rumpe1> tux0r, thats not the device with the grub-bootloader ^^
[22:58] <wl_deav> sam555 run windows system repair by inserting the windows disk, booting to it and selecting repair my windows installation
[22:58] <pebblix> The truth about GL-drivers on free software platforms is this atm: You can compile libdrm, mesa, nouveau, ati, intel for GL etc but not really at the same time because of libdrm and mesa changes. I request unity in that department.
[22:58] <mycosys> it is generally installed by ubuntu into the mbr
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> sneakyimp: does: service php status    say it's running (you may want to tab complete the php bit)
[22:58] <sam555> wl_deav: i did that and it did not work
[22:58] <leapy0yo> mount -t iso does not work, how do i mount a cue and bin file?
[22:58] <wl_deav> sam555 join ##windows
[22:58] <sam555> kk wl_deav
[22:59] <Rubber_Duck> xD
[22:59] <mycosys> you need to add -loop leapy0yo
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> leapy0yo: you can use bchunk to make an ISO of it
[22:59] <dabox> oo nice, a distro where the creator sucked enough dick for it to make it in the source.. lemme install this now..
[22:59] <mycosys> i think it is -t 1so9660 too
[22:59] <sneakyimp> i have also done grep -irl phpmyadmin in the apache2 and there are no references to phpmyadmin in the apache conf at all.  what's the easiest way to configure apache to access phpmyadmin?  I'd like it to be available on my LAN so plz attach to static ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:59] <rumpe1> tux0r, if grub has written the mbr of a drive, the string "GRUB" should appear...
[22:59] <sneakyimp> actionparsnip, i'm sure php is working if that is what you mean
[22:59] <Abinadi> ok, I have read all the sound tutorials and forum messages (for versions of earlier editions of ubuntu).  I installed VirtualBox and added Windows Vista 64 bit Ultimate as a guest OS.  Now, my sound doesn't work *at all* anywhere.  (it worked fine in maverick before I installed the VB)  Can someone give me a hand here?
[23:00] <tux0r> which partition is grub normally installed on
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> sneakyimp: sure but is the service running. If the service isn't running you cannot connect to it, can you
[23:00] <sneakyimp> actionparsnip: unless i'm mistaken, php doesn't run as a service -- apache does (httpd).
[23:00] <mycosys> sam555 get an old version of DOS and run fdisk /mbr
[23:00] <mycosys> freedos will do
[23:00] <tux0r> rumpe1, i confirmed it's on one of the /dev/sdd partitions
[23:01] <sneakyimp> actionparsnip, and the availablility of phpmyadmin via apache is a matter of apache <directory> directive or something
[23:01] <ohsix> sneakyimp: if it's fastcgi it can run as its own service :] (a side point, i don't think ubuntu has it run this way, but it can do it)
[23:01] <pebblix> sneakyimp: PHP is a programming language, yes youre correct
[23:01] <Yerushalmi> ActionParsnip: I think I might have not very well explained things. I'm using Ubuntu Netbook Edition, so my desktop isn't the regular GNOME desktop. It's made up entirely of horizontal bars down the left side of the screen, each of which when cllicked displays its contents in the right half of the screen. I don't know what it's called, but that's what I'm missing; I just have the background...
[23:01] <rumpe1> tux0r, on a partition not on the drive itself?
[23:01] <Yerushalmi> ...picture.
[23:01] <sneakyimp> believe me everyone, php works fine when accessed via apache
[23:01] <tux0r> and those returned: http://www.pastie.org/1583871
[23:01] <sneakyimp> i just need to set up a url to point to phpmyadmin
[23:02] <rumpe1> tux0r, ah ... ok...
[23:02] <rumpe1> tux0r, then you have installed the grub-bootloader to sdd
[23:02] <sneakyimp> ohsix, i used apt-get install for all the apache/php stuff so whatever the default is
[23:02] <tux0r> ok
[23:02] <tux0r> so it's not /sdd1?
[23:02] <tux0r> oh no because it's on the root of the drive
[23:02] <sam555> ok mycosys
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Yerushalmi: not sure, I don't use unity (thats what the desktop is called). Could try ALT+F2   and run:  mutter --replace
[23:02] <tux0r> it's /dev/sdd
[23:02] <ohsix> Yerushalmi: that's unity or whatever it was named in UNR (i forget)
[23:02] <pebblix> sneakyimp: Add it to the webpage your working with. Make sure youre not doing it live as to expose passwords.
[23:03] <openbees> snekkyimp: localhost/phpmyadmin
[23:03] <sneakyimp> pebblix, this is a localhost.  I'd like to set up one url for the entire machine if possible
[23:03] <Abinadi> can someone tell me how to reconfigure Maverick to it's default status (prior to all installs of other software)
[23:03] <pebblix> snekkyimp: Edit user/pass in php inc file
[23:03] <sneakyimp> pebblix:  it's not a public server, just my dev workstation
[23:03] <bazhang> Abinadi, to a restore point?
[23:04] <wl_deav> sneakkyimp did you add "Include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf" to your apache config file?
[23:04] <pebblix> As openbees said
[23:04] <Abinadi> bazhang, yes, kinda like that
[23:04] <bazhang> Abinadi, did you prepare one beforehand? such as with remastersys or the like?
[23:04] <Abinadi> bazhang, I believe I made a rescue disk but I'm not sure.
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> sneakyimp: not sure, I dont use php
[23:05] <sneakyimp> actionparsnip: service php status returns "php: unrecognized service".  i think maybe php is running as module rather than cgi?  not sure about that.  in any case, PHP and apache work together.  i get phpinfo just fine via browser acess to localhost
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> sneakyimp: use tab to complete it, I am unsure of the name
[23:05] <openbees> sneakyimp: you should install phpmyadmin using software center ..it will reduce your overhead
[23:05] <bazhang> Abinadi, thats not the same thing though
[23:05] <AlienBox> I'm having internet speed issue on this fresh install of 10.04, it's getting faster upload speed than download, as reported by speedtest.net, but if i go into another o/s and test the connections, i get the desired results, could ubuntu be using the wrong network card driver?
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> sneakyimp: wl_deav sounds smart here :)
[23:05] <sneakyimp> wl_deav, openbees: thx
[23:05] <wl_deav> yea
[23:05] <Abinadi> bazhang, so am I screwed?
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> AlienBox: run: sudo lshw -C network       you will see the network chip you are using.
[23:06] <openbees> sneakyimp: are you kidding ..lolz
[23:06] <bazhang> Abinadi, why would you need to rollback
[23:06] <pebblix> openbees, sneakyimp: You just need to unpack it somewhere in the web-tree.
[23:06] <AlienBox> ActionParsnip, thank you i will have a look
[23:06] <sneakyimp> openbees:  derp.  new to ubuntu
[23:07] <openbees> pebblix: i have no problem with my phpmyadmin
[23:07] <Abinadi> bazhang, I have been trying to get the sound working in a windows virtualbox and the sound on the whole system just stopped working.
[23:07] <openbees> sneakyimp: me too
[23:07] <scarface> How can I mount an SSH directory via the command line?  It seems to happen automatically via Nautilus when I use a "ssh://whatever" URL, and the location gets mounted in ~/.gvfs.  I'd like to be able to do the mounting by hand from the command line.
[23:07] <bazhang> Abinadi, what about when you get rid of the vm
[23:08] <Abinadi> bazhang, I haven
[23:08] <erUSUL> scarface: take a look at sshfs
[23:08] <edbian> scarface, sshfs
[23:08] <Abinadi> bazhang, I haven't tried (or wanted) to get rid of the guest OS (windows)
[23:08] <edbian> scarface, instead of ssh  (and you give mount points)
[23:08] <AlienBox> ActionParsnip, that command showed the correct card
[23:08] <pebblix> Im taking advanced JavaScript,DOM and AJAX at the university now. Its much fun because the creation of elements is the same across all programming languages. I dont like windows much though, because their DOM-interpreter code will choke on so many things its not even funny :)
[23:08] <scarface> erUSUL, sshfs came up in some searches, but it's not already installed on my system.  So I thought there might be another way to do it, since it already works via Nautilus
[23:08] <Chipzzz> Abinadi: what adaptor is the vm configured to use?
[23:09] <mbeierl> ohsix: sorry - the os version is 4.2.1
[23:09] <leapy0yo> mount -t iso does not work, how do i mount a cue and bin file?
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> AlienBox: ok now you know the chip and you can see if there are bugs or how-tos based on that chip (what is it and I'll help too)
[23:09] <Senjai> i use a program
[23:09] <aplund> how do I find out which kernel module is associated with which file it was loaded from?
[23:09] <Yerushalmi> ActionParsnip: So I really am using unity? That explains a lot. Is there a dedicated chatroom or forum for problems with it?
[23:09] <erUSUL> scarface: maybe some of the gvfs-foo commands i really dunno
[23:09] <bazhang> Abinadi, but part of rolling back would be to undo everything you added, including that vm
[23:09] <Senjai> leapy0yo, I use Furius ISO mount
[23:10] <BluesKaj> leapy0yo, do you mean run the file ? bin files are usually app install vehicles
[23:10] <passthru> i am having problem with my WI-FI stability when using it with NetworkManager
[23:10] <mbeierl> ohsix: fwiw: full list of errors is last post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1576249&page=11  same errors, regardless of gtkpod or rhythmbox
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> scarface: http://maketecheasier.com/mount-iso-bin-and-cue-files-from-nautilus/2009/05/23
[23:10] <erUSUL> aplund: normally is a 1:1 relation modulename is modulename.ko
[23:10] <passthru> from times in times it gets stucked
[23:10] <aplund> erUSUL: but it doesn't seem to be for nvidia-common.ko
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> Yerushalmi: not sure dude, could try a channel list
[23:10] <passthru> i need to disconnect and connect the wi-fi connection
[23:10] <leapy0yo> blues, it is an iso file
[23:10] <openbees> passthru: what kind of problem
[23:10] <passthru> it happenas with my netbook too
[23:10] <passthru> *happens
[23:10] <passthru> and are different wifi cards..
[23:10] <Senjai> leapy0yo, I use Furius ISO mount
[23:10] <aplund> erUSUL: but I cannot be sure
[23:10] <sneakyimp> wl_deav:  added "include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf" to file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and it now seems to work beautifully.  Is this approach at risk when I update apache or php or anything?  Will it be stable?
[23:11] <sneakyimp> wl_deav: and for heaven's sake why doesn't the package installer take care of that?
[23:11] <AlienBox> ActionParsnip, i wouldn't be concerned it was a minor speed difference, but it's almost embarassing, i get 20+ Mbps in windows xp, from speed test.net, then i can reboot, go into ubuntu, and only get .75 to 1.5 Mbps
[23:11] <erUSUL> aplund: afaics nvidia driver uses only one module nvidia.ko
[23:11] <wl_deav> apache.conf will remain regardless of updates, sneakyimp
[23:11] <ohsix> mbeierl: http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ they mention some things to try for people still having problems with 4.2.1
[23:11] <Abinadi> bazhang, It is using the OSS  and the Intel HD Audio driver
[23:11] <Senjai> sneakyimp, you don't have to worry
[23:11] <passthru> if I set up the wifi connection in /etc/network/interfaces it runs good
[23:11] <passthru> w/o stucking
[23:11] <aplund> erUSUL: I cannot find such a file
[23:11] <mbeierl> ohsix: will look, thanks!
[23:11] <passthru> any clue ?
[23:11] <sneakyimp> wl_deav: yes but I added it to httpd.conf....that ok?
[23:11] <bazhang> passthru, keep it on a single line, its impossible to read you
[23:11] <erUSUL> !find nvidia.ko
[23:11] <BluesKaj> leapy0yo, run it first then mount it. ./nameofapp.bin
[23:11] <wl_deav> yes that's fine sneakyimp
[23:11] <wl_deav> FYI: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin sneakyimp
[23:11] <erUSUL> !info nvidia-current
[23:11] <Chipzzz> Abinadi: you may find alsa more stable
[23:11] <Yerushalmi> ActionParsnip: Alright. Well, thanks for the help, you really are a life-saver :) Good night!
[23:11] <sneakyimp> wl_deav:  httpd.conf was empty so i can see much more easily what I added versus what is native to the apache cof
[23:11] <sneakyimp> wl_deav: thx
[23:11] <pebblix> aplund: Presumably the file from which it was loaded from ;) ... If the root user (Always the case) installed the kernel, then seek its modulepath to find the modules installed for this kernel. Then you can md5sum it and compare
[23:12] <induz_> which one is better KDE or GNOMe
[23:12] <passthru> bazhang, ok, i will try that.
[23:12] <Abinadi> Chipzzz, ok
[23:12] <mycosys> induz_ neither
[23:12] <AlienBox> this happened before on another machine, I think you walked me through that one too, however i can't remember what we did to get it  up to speed
[23:12] <Senjai> induz_, subjective, but i prefer gnome
[23:12] <induz_> I know its personal coice but for a MS window guy
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> induz_: neither and both
[23:12] <harpreet> Hi, I am looking for shared calendar that I can use online between 10-20 people, is there anything available like that?
[23:12] <Lint01> induz_, gnome by far, also !poll
[23:12] <passthru> bazhang, i have a problem with WIFI when it is being managed by NetworkManager. it simply stucks time from time.. and is intermittent
[23:12] <wl_deav> harpreet Google Calendar
[23:12] <mycosys> induz_ for a windowsx use KDe for sure
[23:12] <openbees> sneakyimp: thats why installing from software center is better option ...
[23:12] <Senjai> induz_, I am a windows guy, and let me tell you, you really want to get away from windows
[23:12] <mycosys> *user
[23:12] <harpreet> wl_deav, but can people who dont have gmail, share it?
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> harpreet: sunbird maybe
[23:12] <GMH[win]> FWIW
[23:12] <Senjai> infuz_, go gnome :)
[23:12] <aplund> pebblix: how do I get the md5sum of an installed module?
[23:12] <GMH[win]> this old computer running Lubuntu = mostly acceptable
[23:13] <wl_deav> harpreet yes you can create a google account with a non gmail address
[23:13] <Lint01> ActionParsnip, sunbird is out of development
[23:13] <leapy0yo> i need to mount an iso image, how do i do so? mount -t iso9600 file.iso /cdrom is not working
[23:13] <Chipzzz> Senjai: lol... so true...
[23:13] <passthru> bazhang, if I kick out the NM and configure it directly in /etc/network/interfaces, it works well. it happens on my netbook to with different hardware.
[23:13] <mycosys> induz_ the KDE interface is FAR more familiar for a doze user
[23:13] <pebblix> Senjai: I did that in 96 and im not looking back :)
[23:13] <GMH[win]> a bit slow at times, but at least it doesn't crash or take longer than 10 minutes to do stuff
[23:13] <harpreet> thank you guys
[23:13] <sneakyimp> openbees:  perhaps, but I want to know how these are done manuall....dedicated servers with CentOS or debian don't have USC
[23:13] <erUSUL> leapy0yo: it should if /cdrom exists
[23:13] <ohsix> leapy0yo: if you want to do it in one step without calling losetup, you need to add -o loop
[23:13] <induz_> I am not going back to Window Xp[MS] but how can i enjoy both on Lucid i mean KDE and Gnome
[23:13] <passthru> bazhang, any clue ?
[23:13] <Senjai> pebblix, I did that a month ago, and not looking back :P
[23:13] <Jordan_U> leapy0yo: bin/cue files are *not* iso files.
[23:13] <mycosys> of course you can induz_
[23:13] <ohsix> leapy0yo: nautilus can auto mount iso files, and it wont leave stale loop's around; you should try it
[23:13] <bazhang> passthru, then avoid network manager, I never rely upon it, and connecting via the command line is tons more reliable
[23:13] <Lint01> mycosys, it's too gaudy to be like Windows
[23:13] <pebblix> aplund: "md5sum filename" ?
[23:13] <induz_> mycosys, u r a bit right as i am figuring out too
[23:13] <openbees> sneakying: then please teach me also
[23:13] <Senjai> pebblix, lol, DirectX programmer and everything
[23:13] <mycosys> and you can try enlightenment and xfce and more too
[23:14] <Lint01> induz_, yes, but it's disk space overkill
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> Lint01: gah
[23:14] <pebblix> Senjai: Sexxi ;)
[23:14] <aplund> pebblix: how do I know which file is associated with the installed module name? (i.e. the original question)
[23:14] <openbees> sneakyimp: then please teach me also
[23:14] <sneakyimp> wl_deav: thx so much.  i'm in great shape now :D
[23:14] <induz_> right now i am using Gnome but I am also using KDElive, sometimes it crashes
[23:14] <Chipzzz> induz_: you can make another user for your alternate desktop... sadly they don't always play nicely together
[23:14] <wl_deav> no worries sneakyimp
[23:14] <passthru> bazhang, i agree . but i can't do it on netbook, since I use it for mobility and i have to connect in a lot of different networks daily
[23:14] <mycosys> induz - you can just remove the ones you dont want later when you decide your desktop environment for good
[23:14] <sneakyimp> openbees: lol!  Lessonz: five hunderd an our
[23:14] <Senjai> Omg, #ubuntu, is crazy buzzy, I need some tea.
[23:14] <pebblix> aplund: lsmod | grep ModuleName
[23:15] <AegisX> I was wondering... does anyone here use Evolution with a Gmail account? Do you find they interact well, with the labels and stars and archiving and such?
[23:15] <passthru> bazhang, and it sometimes makes me pissed :P
[23:15] <induz_> Chipzzz, can I make another user for me and setup KDE there
[23:15] <aplund> pebblix: see above.  I've done that.  No dice.
[23:15] <openbees> sneakyimp: i can pay.........lolz
[23:15] <Senjai> AegisX, I do, it works fine
[23:15] <Chipzzz> induz_: yes
[23:15] <passthru> bazhang, in home I just gave up and i am just using it from cli.
[23:15] <mycosys> induz_ imo tho if you want a great KDE distro - you want SuSE, bloated as it is
[23:15] <induz_> Chipzzz, di I have to re-install wine, Kdelive etc again
[23:15] <AegisX> Senjai: So IMAP works correctly etc?
[23:15]  * Senjai will brb
[23:15] <sneakyimp> openbees: i accept chzbrger.  lol.  take it easy.
[23:15] <Senjai> AegisX, flawlessly :)
[23:15] <mycosys> induz_ you can just chose desktop at the login screen
[23:15] <GMH[win]> what distro and version of linux and window manager would y'all recommend for a (different) computer with a 1.3 GHz processor but with 3 GB of RAM?
[23:16] <JQQ> Q :: How do I decide if I should install 32 bit or 64 bit, I have 64 bit AMD on thsi comp and other comp is a new MBP... both have 64bit but is anything a pain in the rear with ubuntu 64bit?
[23:16] <bazhang> passthru, not sure what to suggest, I have had issues with network manager for a while and just don't use it. perhaps repeat your question every 10 minutes or so and see if someone else does use it
[23:16] <Senjai> AegisX, I get mail notifications from evo before my iphone, so... Evo > apple?
[23:16] <AegisX> Senjai: Thank you; I'll synchronise them right now :)
[23:16] <the_drow> how do I create a dkms config file?
[23:16] <leapy0yo> can i mount a .cue + .bin file? archieve management and nutrilis dont mont it
[23:16] <Abinadi> bazhang, I don't know what I just did, but I now have sound in my gues OS (windows) but the volume levels are very muted even when I crank them all the way open
[23:16] <induz_> mycosys, somehow i dont get that privilage as selecting Gnome or KDE/
[23:16] <openbees> sneakyimp: i was just kidding..please dont mind........
[23:16] <bazhang> JQQ, 64bit is find
[23:16] <induz_> how can i achieve that
[23:16] <mycosys> is session type induz_
[23:16] <induz_> I am the only one use here on this syatem now
[23:16] <Senjai> leapy0yo, Use FURIUS ISO.. lol
[23:16] <Chipzzz> induz_: it varies by application... you will have most but may have to reconfigure some
[23:16] <passthru> bazhang, yeah, i will become a bot . j/k  :)
[23:16] <AegisX> Senjai: I use an Android phone, so that works well with Gmail. I've been thinking about synchronising everything, though, and Evolution seems to be a good way to do that.
[23:17] <Lint01> GMH[win], performance depends on video card, not processor
[23:17] <pebblix> aplund: Then that was not the command you should have run was it ? ... -> "modprobe --list | grep -i ModuleName" is the correct thing to do :)
[23:17] <induz_> how can i select KDE for desktop??
[23:17] <Lint01> induz_, install plasma-desktop
[23:17] <mycosys> under session type at the login screen induz_
[23:17] <Senjai> AegisX, some people prefer thunderbird .. I personally don't care, don't need much from a mail client, just seperate my work and personal email and get it occasionally :)
[23:17] <passthru> bazhang, i am thinking in make a SH script with the most common wifi networks that i connect and just execute it on my netbook to connect. lol
[23:17] <wl_deav> GMH[win] distro to suit your needs - Ubuntu will run on that system but you may want to try something easier on your system
[23:17] <openbees> induz: during login by selecting session type
[23:17] <Oer> induz_, logout, select desktop, and login
[23:17] <Lint01> or is it plasma-workspace?
[23:18] <Senjai> AegisX, has some issues with html emails sometime. (doesn't render all the images)
[23:18] <ohsix> induz_: install kubuntu-desktop, then pick the kde session from thelogin screen
[23:18] <Senjai> AegisX, Im still talking, need tea, brb
[23:18] <Chipzzz> indez_: when you are the other user, install it as your desktop (apt-get install), then the desktop will be different for the two users
[23:18] <AegisX> Senjai: Ah, didn't even think of Thunderbird... might have a look at that too. However, Evolution seems nicely integrated with Ubuntu's desktop.
[23:18] <AegisX> Senjai: Cool :)
[23:19] <Senjai> AegisX, it is, but mozilla made thunderbird, lol, I haven't tried it, brb!!!
[23:19] <Somelauw> If you uninstall gnome, will the login screen of gnome be replaced by a login screen of kde?
[23:19] <the_drow> I have downloaded a driver for a line6 soundcard, it worked but now I upgraded my kernel and for some reason it doesn't. I was told that using dkms will solve the problem. However, the driver lacks a dkms.config file. How do I create one? The driver has a make file
[23:19] <induz_> some of my applications r KDE at GNOMe like KDlive
[23:19] <bazhang> Somelauw, you can choose between gdm and kdm
[23:19] <mufasis> i have an old hp server and it has fakeraid, i have it set to raid 1 and i installed ubuntu server, everything is working but when the server starts there is no grub and it goes straight to a log in, is this normal?
[23:19] <pebblix> AegisX: I have used Evolution for many years. I like it alot.
[23:19] <JQQ> Q:: Any reason to NOT use the wubi installer instead of CD?
[23:20] <AegisX> pebblix: It seems a fairly comprehensive and powerful organiser. Does it have any interesting functionalities?
[23:20] <yeats> JQQ: installing directly to hard disk is better supported if nothing else
[23:20] <the_drow> JQQ: Not that I know of, I am running wubi just fine
[23:20] <pebblix> JQQ: Safer to use the CD/DVD, incase the installer borks you have rescue mode :)
[23:20] <K|nG> I upgrade my ubuntu I run clean but why there still have an Old generic :S
[23:20] <Somelauw> wubi will be slightly slower so you can't play cool games
[23:20] <mufasis> anyone?
[23:21] <AegisX> Senjai: I've never really used anything by Mozilla... I'm not a huge fan of Firefox hehe
[23:21] <AlienBox> ActionParsnip, forgot to mention it takes a while to even load my router, which is a 192. ip, that should load instantly righ
[23:21] <induz_> there are so many files on repo so which one to install or select?
[23:21] <Somelauw> But there aren't a lot of games for linux anyway
[23:21] <yeats> mufasis: if ubuntu is the only OS installed, it doesn't go to the GRUB menu
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> AlienBox: usually they are fast. they are just small PCs with low end hardware
[23:21] <Oer> mufasis, yes this is normal, if you want to enter grub menu, hold shift @ boot
[23:21] <induz_> KDE plasma would un-install qt## something
[23:21] <pebblix> AegisX: Scheduling, ad integration, alerts and whatnot. Try it.
[23:22] <the_drow> so no one here knows dkms? :/
[23:22] <mufasis> ahh ok, thank you guys
[23:22] <AegisX> pebblix: Will do. What about push email?
[23:22] <pebblix> the_drow: whats that ?
[23:22] <Chipzzz> induz_: look here: http://www.debianadmin.com/install-kde-desktop-in-ubuntu.html
[23:22] <AegisX> pebblix: Or is that just a standard function of IMAP?
[23:22] <openbees> senjai: everything is fine with thunderbird except his behavior with yahoo
[23:22] <induz_> what about desktop themes for KDE
[23:23] <ohsix> man way too many links to blogs and first hits on google
[23:23] <JQQ> I just saw 32-bit (recommended) and thought 64 but was buggy?
[23:23] <pebblix> AegisX: No, i dont think so. And really, thats as bad as web-search-as-you-type :)
[23:23] <Senjai> openbees, Yahoo is nonexistant, forget it ever existed, it tried, it failed, it doesnt exist anymore :P
[23:23] <JQQ> but burning disc now
[23:23] <pebblix> AegisX: IE. System overload
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> induz_: www.kde-look.org
[23:23] <pebblix> :)
[23:24] <openbees> senjai: lolz thanks for the breaking news
[23:24] <Senjai> AegisX, ImapX maintains a constant TCP connection to google, so its updated as soon as google is updated.
[23:24] <AegisX> pebblix: Yeah, I hate it for work emails... but personal ones (which are much less in volume) are nice to get immediately. Guess one could just overcome that by changing the mail check frequency.
[23:24] <induz_> should i install kde-core??
[23:24] <AegisX> Senjai: Oh, is that a plugin or a standard feature/
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> JQQ: 32bit gives a slightly smoother ride due to some companies only supporting 32bit, If you have acres of RAM then use 64bit. You can use 32bit + PAE kernel but each process will only see 3.2Gb but all your RAM will be useable by the OS
[23:25] <Senjai> AegisX, standard, its whats the difference between pop and imap
[23:25] <induz_> the best choice would be kde for me
[23:25] <Senjai> pop is a single connection, download updates x times an hour. Imap is constant connection updates immediately, more bandwidth heavy
[23:25] <pebblix> AegisX: I just set it to poll every 10 minutes or so. Works nicely. It can handle all kinds of encryptions so ive not seen an isp that it has any issues with.
[23:25] <AlienBox> ActionParsnip, my speed to the internet resembles dial up in Ubuntu, and i'm on a maxspeed connect from my isp, a 30mbit connect which i only see in windows
[23:25] <AegisX> Senjai: Ah, nice. And does Evolution constantly run in the background?
[23:25] <Senjai> pop is a single connection, download updates x times an hour. Imap is constant connection updates immediately, more bandwidth heavy AegisX
[23:25] <mycosys> induz_ at the console just type "sudo aptitude install kde-desktop"
[23:25] <mycosys> will take care of it all
[23:25] <Senjai> AegisX, after you initially run it yes
[23:26] <AlienBox> ActionParsnip, could it be a mtu setting? the problem i mean for slow speed
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> AlienBox: what is the network chip used?
[23:26] <Senjai> AegisX, smtp is still used for outgoing mail though
[23:26] <ohsix> mycosys: theres a virtual to install everything properly
[23:26] <sam555> isn't there a way in ubuntu to manuall remove the grub
[23:26] <Senjai> for both that is
[23:26] <bazinga2761> How can I resize a VirtualBox hard drive?
[23:26] <StepNjump> Hi guys, can anyone suggest a free antivirus for Ubuntu?
[23:26] <bazinga2761> clamav
[23:26] <AlienBox> realtek 8139 is the card, let me look to see if the chip is same
[23:26] <jkg> the bandwidth usage of IMAP isn't actually bad at all, although it is an extra open connection per user (or several...) if connection count matters to you
[23:26] <Senjai> StepNjump, You really don't need one
[23:26] <StepNjump> bazinga2761, I would just start over
[23:27] <the_drow> StepNjump: yeh, most viruses are for windows
[23:27] <sam555> can I use an ubuntu live cd to edit the grub so that it will stop being the first thing called at start up so the computer can boot to windows?
[23:27] <induz_> mycosys, thanks for clarification
[23:27] <ohsix> sam555: what do you mean remove? it needs to be replaced by something, another boot sector/loader
[23:27] <StepNjump> Senjai, yeah that's what I thought! lol
[23:27] <StepNjump> So nobody of you guys have one?
[23:27] <StepNjump> That's amazing
[23:27] <Chipzzz> sam555: if you are booting to grub now, just press space while the machine boots & you can edit grub
[23:27] <sam555> ohsix: I thought there was a way to edit the grub so it wouldn't be the first thing called in the mbr
[23:27] <induz_> wow!! its downloading something
[23:28] <pebblix> AegisX: Heres hot to AD: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc/Novell_Evolution
[23:28] <induz_> how much space KDE is going to take up?/
[23:28] <Ebonwumon> I have an iso that i need to mount with the option nohide.
[23:28] <sam555> Chipzzz: what would be the command to enter to get it to go into windows?
[23:28] <StepNjump> 10.10 is really amazing
[23:28] <ohsix> StepNjump: only insofar in that you actually need one on windows
[23:28] <pebblix> AegisX: HowTo :)
[23:28] <Ebonwumon> when I type mount -o ro, nohide it gives an error about it not being a block device.
[23:28] <Ebonwumon> How can I mount it?
[23:28] <mycosys> induz_ - it aint small
[23:28] <bazinga2761> StepNjump: I have already installed windows and set up lots of setting and don't want to lose that.
[23:28] <bazinga2761> I found this, but I'm new to Ubuntu and don't know how to interpret it:
[23:28] <bazinga2761>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  VBoxManage modifyhd         <uuid>|<filename>                             [--type normal|writethrough|immutable|shareable|                                     readonly|multiattach]                             [--autoreset on|off]                             [--compact]                             [--resize <megabytes>|--resizebyte <bytes>]
[23:28] <FloodBot1> bazinga2761: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:28] <erUSUL> Ebonwumon: -o loop,nohide
[23:28] <mycosys> it would have told u before it dled
[23:28] <AegisX> pebblix: Ah, thanks for that
[23:28] <induz_> mycosys, its getting installed
[23:28] <pebblix> AegisX: Np!
[23:28] <erUSUL> Ebonwumon: you do not need to specify ro for an iso
[23:29] <StepNjump> bazinga2761 gosh.. I haven't used vbox in a while
[23:29] <AegisX> Senjai and pebblix: Just setting up Evolution now :)
[23:29] <andeh`> f u combatex
[23:29] <induz_> mycosys, 6-7 Gb?
[23:29] <StepNjump> ok ohsix
[23:29] <Senjai> StepNjump, Linux treats everything as a file! Unlike windows, it's a little harder to infect, it even treats user input as a file
[23:29] <Ebonwumon> erUSUL, it gives wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0
[23:29] <Senjai> Aegis goodluck :)
[23:29] <Chipzzz> sam555: that depends on where windows is in your system... www.grub.org has good docs to look through
[23:29] <induz_> Gnome is good but its all fonts and all are different for my eyes
[23:29] <AlienBox> ActionParsnip, i pasted it to http://paste.ubuntu.com/569390/
[23:30] <erUSUL> Ebonwumon: are you usre is an iso image? did you add -t iso9660 ?
[23:30] <JustCJs> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[23:30]  * ohsix boggles at people ignoring things people have written to make stuff easier
[23:30] <induz_> i tried to correct/better look but still
[23:30] <induz_> what display mamangement should i select ??
[23:30] <StepNjump> Ok Senjai... didn't know that
[23:30]  * Senjai sighs with ohsix
[23:30] <Ebonwumon> Yes, I did erUSUL. It's perplexing because it'll mount fine if I just double click on it, but I need the nohide option.
[23:30] <induz_> GDM or KDM
[23:30] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, compared to what?
[23:30] <StepNjump> bazinga2761 here's what I found. Hope it helps http://www.my-guides.net/en/content/view/122/26/
[23:30] <Senjai> StepNjump, though, still stay smart about what you install :)
[23:30] <induz_> as i have Gnome alreday in my system
[23:31] <pebblix> AegisX: I have used it alot on a few dists, upgraded dists about 15 times and its pretty solid. Sometimes itll say that this and that will change or something but all my datas are intact since about year 2000 or so.
[23:31] <AlienBox> sorry if i missed anything you typed, but i don't have a scrollback buffer for some reason
[23:31] <StepNjump> senjai, right of course
[23:31] <induz_> mycosys, its asking me to select between KDM or GDm?
[23:31] <bazinga2761> thanks!
[23:31] <bazinga2761> quit
[23:31] <mycosys> either is fine induz_
[23:31] <Senjai> ARGGH, brb :(
[23:31] <sam555> thanks Chipzzz
[23:31] <StepNjump> I can't wait to phase out my windoze completely
[23:31] <Oer> induz_, why should fonts look different on Gnome/KDE ?
[23:31] <erUSUL> Ebonwumon: well maybe the program that mounts it on double click is clever and know how to mount bin files nrg images ( nero ) and the like. mount only knows about iso and if the image is not iso it will fail
[23:32] <StepNjump> bazinga2761 did you get my link?
[23:32] <induz_> mycosys,  Ok i can select later
[23:32] <AegisX> pebblix: Wow, that's pretty impressive.
[23:32] <induz_> Oer, its not fonts but the lok
[23:32] <Chipzzz> sam555: glad to help
[23:32] <Ebonwumon> The image is most definitely an ISO. It'll mount fine with just "mount -o unhide /iso /mnt" on arch linux
[23:32] <Ebonwumon> So it's definitely an Ubuntu error erUSUL
[23:32] <induz_> actually i am more comfortable with KDElive  so i want KDE
[23:32] <AegisX> pebblix: I don't mind accessing Gmail via the net, but sometimes it's nice to just have stuff on the PC
[23:33] <Oer> induz_, have fun :-)
[23:33] <Docfxit> I'm getting an error saying: Error while loading shared libraries: libhal.so.1
[23:33] <ohsix> StepNjump: you can install clamav and do manual scans; i only use it for scanning external drives in computers i'm repairing tho
[23:33] <sam555> i think I found what I need http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1035999
[23:33] <erUSUL> Ebonwumon: is nohide or unhide ?
[23:33] <StepNjump> ohsix oh ok thanks. Is it available through synaptic?
[23:33] <induz_> Oer, ok
[23:33] <ohsix> StepNjump: yes
[23:33] <StepNjump> awsome, thanks bro
[23:33] <mycosys> if you want all the extra apps - add kubuntu-desktop induz_
[23:34] <pebblix> AegisX: I thnk that program also has gmail integration. Edit->Plugins and see if its in there.
[23:34] <mycosys> will add all of kubuntu to ur system
[23:34] <induz_> somehow i had lots of packages from KDE
[23:34] <JustCJs> sam555: nothing that can go wrong.. unless drive serial of core.img is altered
[23:34] <Ebonwumon> ... lol erUSUL, I'm stupid. Thanks heaps.
[23:34] <mycosys> induz - you had them to run kde apps
[23:34] <induz_> mycosys, let me see if KDElive works better on KDE
[23:34] <erUSUL> Ebonwumon: :)
[23:34] <pebblix> AegisX: It could also be an addon module
[23:34] <Chipzzz> Docfixit: try sudo apt-get check, or does the system not come up at all?
[23:35] <StepNjump> ohsix. Ok hope it works
[23:35] <AegisX> pebblix: It's not in the list; I'll look for it online.
[23:35] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, kdenlive?
[23:35] <cambazz> hello, all out of sudden my sound is gone.
[23:35] <StepNjump> ohsix you would be the first one I could help here lol
[23:35] <cambazz> where can i start to debug
[23:35] <pebblix> AegisX: Do that.
[23:35] <StepNjump> cuz i'm green on *nix
[23:35] <Docfxit> Chipzzz, Ubuntu comes up.  The app doesn't come up.
[23:35] <bazhang> induz_, it wont. just try something else, or fix the issues with kdenlive
[23:35] <induz_> kdenlive is a video programm for editing
[23:36] <pebblix> AegisX: Nice talking to you btw. Have a great time!
[23:36] <bazhang> induz_, I know that
[23:36] <induz_> kdelive is based on KDE i was told
[23:36] <Chipzzz> Docfixit: which app?
[23:36]  * mycosys wishes jahshaka had come to fruition
[23:36] <DpEpsilon> Hello
[23:36] <bazhang> induz_, it can be uses by either DE
[23:36] <Docfxit> doublecmd
[23:36] <induz_> bazhang, it was for brontosaurusrex
[23:36] <lotus> yeay ssh installed
[23:37] <lotus> fg
[23:37] <induz_> bazhang, i am too confused with this DE thing
[23:37] <Docfxit> Chipzzz, double commander
[23:37] <AegisX> pebblix: Same to you! Thanks :)
[23:37] <induz_> bazhang, i can always un-install it if i dont like it
[23:37] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, i did actually finished a project or two with kdenlive and i think its a good choice if you are looking for an OS app
[23:37] <DpEpsilon> Can anyone help we with my slight graphics problem?
[23:37] <AegisX> Senjai: And thanks to you, too :)
[23:37] <pebblix> AegisX: Np!
[23:37] <mycosys> induz_ DE = desktop environment
[23:38] <bazhang> induz_, better to fix the errors with kdenlive, try another editor than install all of kubuntu-desktop which is a huge install and wont fix the kdenlive issues
[23:38] <mycosys> kde and gnome are DEs
[23:38] <brontosaurusrex> mycosys, i wonder if jashaka is actually capable of actually producing any output?
[23:38] <Docfxit> Chipzzz, It installes fine.  When I run it from terminal I get the error.
[23:38] <brontosaurusrex> -actually
[23:38] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, I dont know why my kdenlive crashes few times
[23:38] <mycosys> no idea bronto
[23:39] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, i like kdenlive as it takes my video direct from USB port and i dont have to compress/decompress them
[23:39] <Chipzzz> Docfixit: did you install it as root?
[23:39] <StepNjump> ohsix how do you invoke clamav. It's already installed and when I type clamav in the terminal, it can't find it
[23:39] <induz_> ok now  KDE is installed what should i do....relog in
[23:39] <Senjai> AegisX, :) Im in #ubuntu-offtopic if you need anything else
[23:39] <sexcopter> easy question, for ssh, how do I "state" the option "-L 5900:localhost:5900" in the ~/.ssh/config file? The ssh_config manpage is confusing me!
[23:40] <Docfxit> Chipzzz, no.  I installed it with software center.
[23:40] <AegisX> Senjai: Understood, thanks!
[23:40] <mycosys> induz_ yup
[23:40] <Docfxit> Chipzzz, It's downloaded.  How can I install it with root?
[23:40] <brontosaurusrex> video comes to your usb ports induz_ ? thats interesting
[23:41] <pebblix> Docfxit: "su -" Supply password .. cd to the install and install it
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> pebblix: sudo -i   is advised
[23:41] <Chipzzz> Docfixit: is it a deb?
[23:41] <Docfxit> Chipzzz, yes
[23:41]  * brontosaurusrex still learning new stuff about video after 15 years in video editing bussiness
[23:41] <bazhang> pebblix, dont recommend su here
[23:41] <nibor> does anyone know how to change priority monitor in dual monitor with ati
[23:41] <Jordan_U> !root | Docfxit pebblix
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> brontosaurusrex: every day is a school day
[23:41] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, either u r making fun of my little knowledge or really undesratding what i mean
[23:42] <nibor> sorry default monitro
[23:42] <nibor> monitor
[23:42] <Chipzzz> if you like using the gui, first, uninstall it with software center, then open a terminal & type sudo nautilus, then open the deb with package manager
[23:43] <induz_> but one thing i learnt so far ubuntu is not for easyway out
[23:43] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | Chipzzz
[23:43] <MrFricks> ubuntus hard!
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> Chipzzz: use gksudo with nautilus, sudo is NOT for gui apps
[23:43] <pebblix> ActionParsnip, bazhang: Impressive :) .. but isnt it better to be root as opposed to trying to be root ? Or are you just trying to be original ? (You can crew up the system worse by thinking you "just" su:ed i think)
[23:43] <MrFricks> pebblix: roots good
[23:44] <Chipzzz> sorry... ubottu is right... gksudo is fine
[23:44] <pebblix> MrFricks: Agreed
[23:44] <Jordan_U> Chipzzz: And you don't need to be running nautilus as root to open a .deb file with gdebi or Software Center (the default app for opeining .deb files).
[23:44] <MrFricks> no passwords....
[23:44] <MrFricks> happydays!
[23:44] <StepNjump> does anyone know how to run clamav from the terminal?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> pebblix: no, sudo -i   gives an interactive sudo which is closer to how you'd use it with single commands
[23:44] <erUSUL> !info clamtk | StepNjump
[23:44] <Somelauw> try man clamav
[23:44] <pebblix> MrFricks: Imagine typing the root password everytime you want to do anything as root / Lol
[23:45] <Somelauw> you have to type su + password only once without sudo
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> StepNjump: sudo clamscan -i /folder/to/scan
[23:45] <MrFricks> pebblix: it's infuriating!... just do it for fricks sake!
[23:45] <bazhang> Somelauw, no. sudo -i
[23:45] <StepNjump> Thank you actionparsnip!
[23:46] <mycosys> bazhang - another is sudo bash
[23:46] <JeffCBR> I think the no-root Ubuntu system is good for making sure that authorized users don't screw anything up, but doesn't really do much to increase security from outside threats.
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> StepNjump: for more options, read: man clamscan   as Somelauw said
[23:46] <Chipzzz> sudo su gives you a root shell
[23:46] <pebblix> MrFricks: Lol, its what all users have been doing since 1996 :)
[23:46] <MrFricks> i tried to install something from the ubuntu repo, had to type my password twice!
[23:46] <set5135> can somebody help me plz
[23:46] <Jordan_U> !noroot | MrFricks pebblix
[23:46] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, have u used openshot?
[23:46] <induz_> how is it/
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> MrFricks: shouldn't do. What method did you use?
[23:46] <erUSUL> JeffCBR: you may want to think it twice :P
[23:46] <MrFricks> ubottu: i meant no password at all
[23:46] <Chipzzz> what's wrong set5135
[23:47] <Somelauw> But if you only download opensource software i don't think you need a virusscanner.
[23:47] <StepNjump> good point. thanks actionparsnip & somelauw
[23:47] <mycosys> jesus - an open root would be insane
[23:47] <set5135> the installer keeps freezing when im installing ubuntu
[23:47] <hilarie> I am no longer at one with the google... according to http://paste.ubuntu.com/569398/ I should have 100mz speed steps available, but CPU Frequency Scaling monitor 2.3.00 only gives me 525 mhz 1.05, and 2.1 ghz options
[23:47] <nibor> anyone know how to switch default monitor with ati when using dual monitors
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> Somelauw: its to help protect windows users from each other in fileservers as well as a must on emal servers
[23:47] <JeffCBR> erUSUL: Think it twice? Rethink it, you mean?
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> !dualhead | nibor
[23:48] <MrFricks> ActionParsnip: just a regular no-console install of  an app from the repository required two passwords
[23:48] <erUSUL> JeffCBR: yes.
[23:48] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, at one point i tested them all, however due to my professional deformation i can't really stand anything that does not grasp the two players concept (player, recorder) so irc kdenlive was the one that actually passed the 1st test...
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> MrFricks: so software centre was used then?
[23:48] <IdleOne> MrFricks: you probably entered it wrong the first time
[23:49] <mycosys> MrFricks - sudo su or sudo bash wil give you a root console - what is the hassle???
[23:49] <Docfxit> When I do cd \tmp  I get an error saying: no such file or directory.  How can I change to the folder tmp?
[23:49] <nibor> ActionParsnip: thanks
[23:49] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, some future in that field my be brought by lightworks which is supposedly going OS
[23:49] <hilarie> Any idea's on how to get more speed steps? (my laptop overheats at 2.1. but not 1.05, so wanted to fine toon somewhere in between
[23:49] <IdleOne> Docfxit: /tmp not \tmp
[23:49] <MrFricks> IdleOne: ActionParsnip it was a fresh install so a had to enter password to enter it. then passwaor to install
[23:49] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, I was using  FCP but some of my video r .avi format so i have to go to iMovie then to FCP
[23:50] <Docfxit> IdleOne, Thanks.
[23:50] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, so i started searching for linux version and so far i like dkdenlive
[23:50] <LogicallyDashing> I made a custom LiveCD. It won't boot because various folders are missing, only I can only find out which ones they are one-at-a-time by making the .iso again and getting errors when I boot it. How do I just generate the lot of these folders? I think they're all in /var.
[23:50] <MrFricks> mycosys: if it's that simple to be root anyway.. what's the difference in being root usually?
[23:51] <hilarie> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=Why+root+is+bad+ubuntu
[23:51] <JeffCBR> MrFricks: You can't accidentally do something to fry your whole system.
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> MrFricks: logging on as root means ALL the processes will run as root which is hugely unsecure
[23:51] <IdleOne> MrFricks: the difference is you don't need to be root if you use sudo. Can you please drop it now and let's get back to stuff we do support.
[23:51] <MrFricks> JeffCBR: i don't need to be protected from myself
[23:51] <kitty_> where should i go (besides google cause i'm working on that right now) to get help running a program under wine and having mouse issues
[23:51] <bastidrazor> bastid
[23:51] <hilarie> @EVERYONE, but if we use opensouce software only... shouldn't that be a non issue
[23:51] <GMH[win]> what's a shortcut to the terminal window?
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> MrFricks: especially for IRC clients and web browsers where attacks from users and malicious scripts in pages will inherit the access of the process and get FULL system access. Access to your EMAIL, stored PASSWORD. EVERYTING
[23:52] <GMH[win]> or is there no standard shortcut to it in every graphiacl environment?
[23:52] <IdleOne> GMH[win]: ctrl+t
[23:52] <erUSUL> kitty_: #winehq ?
[23:52] <MrFricks> ActionParsnip: maybe windows but not linux
[23:52] <Docfxit> What is the cmd line to install a deb file?
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> MrFricks: yes, in linux
[23:52] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, i dit not get u?
[23:52] <GMH[win]> oh, ctrl+alt+T
[23:52] <IdleOne> GMH[win]: sorry ctrl+alt+t
[23:52] <JeffCBR> MrFricks: If you really want to use the root account with Ubuntu, it's pretty easy to enable it, so what is the point of your argument?
[23:52] <erUSUL> Docfxit: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[23:52] <GMH[win]> lol
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> Docfxit: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/filename.deb
[23:52] <Jordan_U> ActionParsnip: To be fair, they would get access to your email and stored passwords running under your user as well...
[23:52] <GMH[win]> thanks anyway :)
[23:52] <hilarie> Your arguement's against root, are the exact oposite of your arguements against antivirus's though
[23:52] <MrFricks> ActionParsnip: `i see what you are saying bt it should be my choice
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> Jordan_U: true
[23:53] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, what part?
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> MrFricks: true and it is, but enabling the account is not advised nor supported her
[23:53] <jsw_> Anyone really familiar with SSD configuration?  I have read a few forum threads and an online guide and I believe I've figured out what I should do to take advantage of the disk, I just have some "why?" questions. :)
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> *here
[23:53] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, some snaps from windows version of lightworks http://kravca.69.mu/blog/2010/12/lightworks-goes-open-source/
[23:53] <hilarie> Don't ask to ask jsw_
[23:53] <Jordan_U> hilarie: Do you mind moving this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[23:53] <erUSUL> MrFricks: you have a choice. a choice of 1) using any other linux distro that does not disable root 2) enabling root in ubuntu
[23:53] <MrFricks> JeffCBR: because i installed ubuntu yesterday and it's just annoyed me.....  it took away a choice i wanted to make
[23:53] <GMH[win]> is there a lighter alternative to synaptic package manager that retains the...
[23:53] <carlos82> hello  community
[23:54] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, is that OS good for editing videos
[23:54] <carlos82> i need your help
[23:54] <Docfxit> erUSUL, ActionParsnip Thank you,
[23:54] <GMH[win]> ...can i do "apt-get search [word]" to search descriptions of packages?
[23:54] <erUSUL> GMH[win]: yes
[23:54] <carlos82> i want to make the upgrade to maverick meerkat
[23:54] <IdleOne> GMH[win]: apt-cache show package
[23:54] <K|nG> Are there a Grapich Firewall manager ??
[23:54] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, i am fedup with codecs and decompresing and again compressing
[23:54] <bazhang> GMH[win], apt-cache search
[23:54] <carlos82> i actually have an 10.04 distribution
[23:54] <GMH[win]> apt-cache, sorry.  thanks.
[23:54] <wl_deav> K|nG : firestarter
[23:54] <bazhang> K|nG, gufw
[23:54] <hilarie> @kng firestarter
[23:54] <JeffCBR> MrFricks: There are many choices available to you. You can enable the root account. You can use another distro. If you really like insecure systems, you can use Windows 98 or something.
[23:54] <jsw_> Well, I see that heads/sectors-per-track values of 32 are suggested for my OCZ Vertex II 60GB disk and that my partitions should be aligned on 64 sector boundaries (?).  Currently they are not but I will re-partition the drive shortly.
[23:54] <carlos82> but the update-manager cant show me the upgrade option
[23:54] <mycosys> MrFricks - if the acct isnt enabled a remote user cant use it
[23:54] <carlos82> please, help me
[23:54] <Lint01> firestarter long dead
[23:55] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, I have to make few videos till i get my promuser gears
[23:55] <brontosaurusrex> induz_, thats os independant, conversions will be there for a long time to come
[23:55] <jsw_> Also I see mention of adding elevator=noop to the kernel boot arguments; what is that?
[23:55] <Mike__> hi. I have a problem with my vncserver. i found a config what i have copyed to /etc/init.d/vncserver. Then i typed update-rc.d vncserver defaults. When i run from terminal /etc/init.d/vncserver start, than everything works fine. I can connect to server, i can start programs, etc... But when i reboot, and the server starts automatically, then when i connect to the server i can't start programs or anyting. So what can be the problem ?
[23:55] <erUSUL> carlos82: System>Admin...>Software sources||updates tab at the bottom. change lts only to normal
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> MrFricks: think about it though. many talented Linux users coded and configured the OS to be as it is, so enabling it goes against their good idea. Do you think you know better?
[23:56] <ohsix> MrFricks: did it take away a choice you wanted to make, or was it different from how you like it; it's an important distinction
[23:56] <erUSUL> jsw_: elevator  is the i/o scheduler
[23:56] <mycosys> MrFricks - havign a 4 character user with a lot of power that is on every system makes em much easier to hack
[23:56] <carlos82> erUSUL: i was do this
[23:56] <mycosys> if they have to find username and pass it is much harder
[23:56] <jsw_> erUSUL: I suppose this is system-wide and not per-filesystem or per-device?
[23:56] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, only problem in Kdenlive is i have to shft between viewer and final monitor
[23:56] <carlos82> but it dont show me the upgrade option
[23:56] <erUSUL> jsw_: system wide yes
[23:56] <jsw_> so since I have a mix of HDD and SSD I/O I guess I'll have to find out experimentally which works better for me
[23:57] <bazhang> carlos82, you on LTS?
[23:57] <Docfxit> After installing doublecmd with root I get the same error: error while loading shared libraries: libhal.so.1
[23:57] <induz_> brontosaurusrex, I dont know how can i get both viewer and project display working on kdenlive
[23:57] <ohsix> it really is moot though, sudo -s gets your a root shell with your credentials and sudo's gr8stuff
[23:57] <carlos82> erUSUL: i have this config before
[23:57] <j1tters> exit
[23:57] <jsw_> Is there anything special I should do when re-partitioning and re-mkfsing to make sure currently used blocks are free'd in the SSD?
[23:57] <bazhang> carlos82, what version of ubuntu
[23:57] <carlos82> erUSUL: but i was change to normal and reload the packages lists
[23:58] <carlos82> bazhang: i have 10.04 and i want to upgrade to 10.10
[23:58] <MrFricks> mycosys: i'm not paranoid about security like many people
[23:58] <ohsix> jsw_: unless your device supports discard you cab;t do that anyways
[23:58] <erUSUL> jsw_: it should be possible to sdo it per device in /sys/block/sdN/queue/scheduler iirc
[23:58] <bazhang> carlos82, check show all available upgrades, its set not to show until the next lts which is 12.04
[23:58] <itaylor57> ActionParsnip: the subtley of the design is lost on many
[23:59] <jsw_> ohsix: It is an OCZ Vertex II and the marketing materials say it has TRIM support.  I added discard,noatime to /etc/fstab and re-mounted
[23:59] <carlos82> bazhang: im expect the option to upgrade to 10.10
[23:59] <mamece2> i cant boot ubuntu 10.04 32 bit. a message appears: ubuntu is running in low graph mode, it never boots GUI. ctrl+alt+F7 brings tht modprobe vboxfailed
[23:59] <ohsix> jsw_: and its just an optimization opportunity for thefirmwarel you don't actually need to do it
[23:59] <bazhang> carlos82, so set it in synaptic
[23:59] <carlos82> bazhang: changing from lts to normal releases


[20:17] <pleia2> tomorrow, if anyone is interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/San_Francisco/Wiknic
[20:17]  * pleia2 busy though
[20:21]  * MarkDude too
[20:21] <MarkDude> Watching Cars2 - although the picnic sounds fun
[20:21] <pleia2> cars2 doesn't take all day!
[20:23] <MarkDude> No, but it is a date. So it might ;)
[20:23] <MarkDude> Besides, Im old
[20:24] <pleia2> lol
[20:24] <MarkDude> The 3D might tire me out
[20:24] <pleia2> :)
[20:24] <MarkDude> Not sure if I should see in 3D or 2D
[20:24] <MarkDude> 3D towtruck sounds fun tho
[20:43] <pleia2> btw, I followed up (first requested in April) and Canonical should be shipping this out today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences/ApprovedTeamGift
[20:43] <pleia2> it's the new branding banner (not california-specific)


[16:00] <rbasak> o/
[16:00] <kanashiro> o/
[16:02] <schopin> o/
[16:04] <kanashiro> today is US holiday, that might impact attendance in today's meeting
[16:05] <sil2100> o/
[16:06] <sil2100> I suppose we have a quorum?
[16:06] <sil2100> Oh, no, wait
[16:06] <rbasak> We need one more.
[16:06] <sil2100> I'm just seeing things
[16:08] <rbasak> schopin: while we're waiting, looking at https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=*chopin*&sponsoree_search=name it's notable that you don't have an endorsement from ginggs even though he sponsored a very large number of your uploads.
[16:09] <sil2100> ginggs: ^
[16:09] <rbasak> Could you get feedback from him please? IMHO it's quite a big issue if a major sponsor doesn't consider you ready.
[16:10] <schopin> I had his agreement to add his endorsement, but I'm guessing he hasn't had the time.
[16:10] <bdmurray> I'm here
[16:12] <ginggs> hi
[16:12] <sil2100> I guess we have a quorum. Who was to chair today?
[16:13] <ginggs> sorry, i meant to add an endorsement, but it slipped through the cracks.  i believe schopin is ready to be a core-dev, i'll write something quick right now
[16:14] <sil2100> ginggs: thank you!
[16:15] <sil2100> Okay, maybe in this case I'll try to chair, if there are no objections
[16:15] <sil2100> I'll just need a minute
[16:16] <sil2100> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
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[16:17] <sil2100> One proposition I had: what would everyone think of moving the format a little bit, so that we handle applicants at the beginning of a meeting?
[16:17] <sil2100> I suppose we should have a formal discussion/vote about that first, right?
[16:17] <rbasak> I think that's fine, and you're the chair so you get to decide.
[16:17] <sil2100> Since I'm always worried that the applicants have to wait until we're done with all the review items etc. unnecessarily
[16:18] <rbasak> Maybe just ensure that there aren't any previous action items holding up applicants.
[16:18] <sil2100> True
[16:18] <rbasak> On the principle of giving applicants priority, strong +1 :)
[16:18] <bdmurray> +1 from me too
[16:18] <sil2100> Ok, I think we're good from this POV, let's try that then
[16:18] <sil2100> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[16:19] <sil2100> #subtopic Simon Chopin
[16:19] <sil2100> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/simon-chopin-core-dev-application/28291
[16:19] <sil2100> schopin: o/
[16:19] <schopin> o/
[16:19] <sil2100> schopin: hello! Can you introduce yourself briefly?
[16:20] <schopin> Hi! I am Simon Chopin, I'm a French software developer within the Foundations team of Canonical.
[16:21] <sil2100> Questions?
[16:21] <bdmurray> Could you elaborate on how you could do better with attention to detail?
[16:23] <sil2100> schopin: ^ ?
[16:24] <schopin> I oftentimes do small mistakes such as targetting the wrong series when uploading. Since I know this, it shouldn't happen, and yet...
[16:25] <bdmurray> schopin: Do you have any plans for avoiding small mistakes in the future?
[16:25] <rbasak> I'm not sure if you're done, but I have a couple of questions when you're ready.
[16:26] <rbasak> Oh sorry, I'll wait
[16:28] <schopin> bdmurray: besides looking into why dch -r targets my current series and not devel by default, I think I need to take the time to develop some "rituals"/checklists, and also some more wrappers.
[16:29] <bdmurray> Okay, thanks. Go ahead rbask
[16:29] <rbasak> Could you tell me about feature freeze please? How do you determine if a freeze is active? If feature freeze is active, then how do you decide if feature freeze would apply to a package for example for an upstream version moving from 1.2~rc2 to 1.2? And if you need an exception, how do you request one?
[16:34] <schopin> After a few months of "open" development of the devel series, the archive enters Feature Freeze, during which autosync with Debian is disabled. To see when that happens I'd go to the release schedule on Discourse, or check the topic in #ubuntu-devel. We can upload to the archive if to fix bugs. New upstream releases are usually not uploaded, except if they are purely bugfix releases, which
[16:34] <schopin> I'd expect in 1.2~rc2 to 1.2. If I need an exception, I'll open a FFe bug against the package, attaching the debdiff that I want to upload, and subscribe the release team.
[16:36] <schopin> rbasak: ^
[16:36] <rbasak> How would you decide if something is a purely bugfix release or not?
[16:39] <schopin> I'll have a look at upstream's changelog and commit history. If they don't have the former and the latter is inexploitable, I'll probably err on the side of caution and not upload unless I know and trust upstream (which is unlikely if they don't have those two elements)
[16:39] <schopin> It helps if they have an explicit release policy.
[16:41] <schopin> Sometimes it's hard to decide if it's a bugfix or a feature, in which case I'll ask on #ubuntu-release
[16:41] <rbasak> OK thanks. One more question from me please. How would you check if an upload will trigger a component mismatch?
[16:43] <schopin> I'm making this one up so this might be wrong, but I guess I could somehow run germinate? Previously I did it manually but I missed the rustc/llvm-13/z3 chain, so...
[16:45] <rbasak> OK thanks. I have no further questions
[16:45] <sil2100> No questions from me
[16:45] <sil2100> kanashiro: questions?
[16:45] <kanashiro> schopin, let's suppose you uploaded a package to the development release and it caused a component mismatch, what are the possibilities to sort this out?
[16:46] <schopin> MIR the component, or somehow fix the package relationship that caused the component mismatch, by e.g. drop a Recommends into a Suggests.
[16:46] <kanashiro> schopin, thanks.
[16:47] <kanashiro> no further questions
[16:48] <sil2100> Okay, time for the vote
[16:48] <sil2100> #startvote schopin to become core-developer
[16:49] <sil2100> ...guess that's vote
[16:49] <sil2100> #vote schopin to become core-developer
[16:49] <meetingology> Please vote on: schopin to become core-developer
[16:49] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[16:50] <rbasak> +1
[16:50] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[16:50] <bdmurray> +1
[16:50] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[16:50] <kanashiro> +1
[16:50] <meetingology> +1 received from kanashiro
[16:51] <sil2100> +1
[16:51] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[16:51] <sil2100> #endvote
[16:51] <meetingology> Voting ended on: schopin to become core-developer
[16:51] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[16:51] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:51] <sil2100> schopin: congratulations!
[16:51] <schopin> Thanks :)
[16:51] <sil2100> Who wants the action item of adding schopin to the core-dev's team?
[16:51] <bdmurray> schopin: Congratulations!
[16:52] <kanashiro> schopin, congrats! :)
[16:52] <schopin> thanks all :)
[16:52] <rbasak> I can do it
[16:52] <sil2100> rbasak: thanks!
[16:52] <sil2100> #action rbasak to add schopin to core-dev
[16:52] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to add schopin to core-dev
[16:53] <sil2100> #action rbasak to announce schopin's successful application
[16:53] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to announce schopin's successful application
[16:53] <sil2100> Ok, moving on, since we only have 7 minutes left
[16:53] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[16:53] <sil2100> kanashiro to update our wiki documentation with respect to our agreed packageset creation criteria <- kanashiro ?
[16:54] <kanashiro> I started to work on that today, unfinished
[16:54] <sil2100> Ok, let's carry over then!
[16:54] <sil2100> #action kanashiro to update our wiki documentation with respect to our agreed packageset creation criteria (carried over)
[16:54] <meetingology> ACTION: kanashiro to update our wiki documentation with respect to our agreed packageset creation criteria (carried over)
[16:54] <sil2100> sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[16:54] <sil2100> I did one part of it (added it to the knowledge base), but need to update other places
[16:54] <sil2100> So carry over for now
[16:54] <sil2100> #action sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[16:54] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[16:54] <sil2100> teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[16:55] <sil2100> teward is absent (due to holidays), so carrying over
[16:55] <sil2100> #action teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[16:55] <meetingology> ACTION: teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[16:55] <sil2100> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[16:55] <sil2100> I don't think we have anything new
[16:55] <sil2100> #topic Open TB bugs
[16:55] <sil2100> ...none
[16:55] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[16:55] <sil2100> ...5 minutes left, any other business?
[16:57] <kanashiro> none
[16:57] <sil2100> Okay! Let's wrap it up then!
[16:57] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[16:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:57:18 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-05-30-16.16.moin.txt
[16:57] <sil2100> Thank you everyone!
[16:57] <kanashiro> thanks for chairing sil2100 !
[16:58] <sil2100> o/
[16:58] <fheimes> congrats @schopin !