[05:53] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-meeting) yes, if you have time, sketching out specs in advance rarely hurts, and saves the rather limited time at the sprint
[05:53] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-meeting) or possibly gives you more opportunities to consume coffee
[05:54] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-meeting) pitti: thanks
[05:54] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-meeting) doko: next
[05:55] <doko> cjwatson: argh, please delay me to the end
[05:55] <cjwatson> ok
[05:55] <cjwatson> mvo: next
[05:55] <mvo> Done:
[05:55] <mvo> - bug triage
[05:55] <mvo> - prepared SRU
[05:55] <mvo> - research dist-upgrade failure causes
[05:55] <mvo> - prepared specs
[05:55] <mvo> - mail catchup (still some way to go)
[05:55] <mvo> Specs:
[05:55] <mvo> High:
[05:55] <mvo> - common-customizations: parts were done for edgy, needs research whats left
[05:55] <mvo> - auto-dist-upgrade-testing: needs work for better test coverage and deployment on the servers
[05:55] <mvo> - binary-driver-education: we can use the notification-hooks for this
[05:55] <mvo> - dist-upgrader-fixes: needs more analysis what went wrong
[05:55] <mvo> - easy-codec-installation: happy to help with the installer backend or with the extraction of the information from the archive
[05:55] <mvo> - enabling-additional-components: mostly prepared in paris
[05:55] <mvo> - kubuntu-update-manager: needs qt-frontend + support in adept_updater
[05:55] <mvo> - scalable-installation-testing: interessted as far as it includes better testing of the upgrade process
[05:55] <mvo> Medium
[05:55] <mvo> - dependency-removal: infrastruture in place, just need to switched to "automatic" (and better aptitude integration)
[05:56] <mvo> - kubuntu-feisty-language-selector
[05:56] <mvo> - server-upgrade-tool: should be relatively straightforward to add a text-ui
[05:56] <mvo> Interessted in general: bullet-proof-x, beryl-by-default, default-network, services, zeroconf-networking,  dbus-restarts,  xen-by-default,  old-kernels-removal
[05:56] <mvo> Additonal goals for feisty:
[05:56] <mvo> - apt-https, apt-sha256, apt-sync, dist-upgrader-arch-any, install-on-plug, kubuntu-gdebi,update-notifier-non-admin-mode
[05:58] <mvo> cjwatson: the "hermes" package from guadalinux is probably all we need
[05:58] <cjwatson> mdz's comment was not so much that it was too hard, but that it was crack :-)
[05:58] <mvo> oh
[05:58] <mvo> :)
[05:58] <cjwatson> anyway, we can talk about it
[05:59] <tkamppeter> Hia all, sorry for being late, forgot that 16:00 UTC does not switch with daylight saving time and so our meetings are one hour earlier in northern hemisphere winter months.
[05:59] <sivang> mvo: hmm, isn't old-kernels-removal part of system clean up tool ?
[05:59] <mvo> sivang: yes
[05:59] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: actually it switched from 1500 UTC to 1600 UTC, all very confusing; we need to look at the winter time scheduling
[06:00] <cjwatson> iwj: can you redo whatever it was you did to calculate decent meeting times for this half of the year?
[06:00] <cjwatson> mvo: thanks
[06:00] <cjwatson> ogra: next
[06:00] <iwj> cjwatson: Willdo, yes.
[06:01] <ogra> Done:
[06:01] <ogra>  * Prepare for LTSP BTS2006, prepare for UDS
[06:01] <ogra>  * Downloaded all my merges from MOM
[06:01] <ogra> Todo before UDS:
[06:01] <ogra>  * LTSP BTS2006 (starting today)
[06:01] <ogra> Specs (by importance for edubuntu):
[06:01] <ogra>  * edubuntu-network-auth-client/server: about integrating a default directory server setup, its essential to have that available in feisty to be able to cope with whole school setups as all other edu distros use them ... merely about integrating smbldap which is used in nearly all other edu distros...
[06:01] <iwj> I'll send out a datagathering email but I was waiting until we were together to I can harass people in person.
[06:01] <ogra>  * edubuntu-on-two-cds: make edubuntu release on two CDs instead of one to get over the space probs we have since the beginning
[06:01] <ogra>  * edubuntu-install-profiles: have different preseeded profiles to select from during install (university/preschool/highschool etc), should be integrated with the menu profiles LaserJock started in edgy
[06:01] <ogra>  * edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound: switch ltsp to polypaudio for bi-directional sound setups (mic support) for VOIP etc
[06:01] <ogra>  * ltsp-management-gui: essential upstream requirement for ltsp now ...
[06:01] <ogra>  * student-control-panel-upgrade: further improvements and debranding of S-C-P
[06:01] <ogra>  * ltsp-fat-clients: full diskless workstation support for ltsp (needs a network auth server in place)
[06:01] <ogra>  * ltsp-persistent-home: mount your ~/ from a USB flash drive on ltsp clients
[06:01] <ogra>  * live-cd-share-live-cd: integrate ltsp on the liveCD
[06:01] <ogra>  * increase-hwdb-participation: see cjwatson ...
[06:02] <Riddell> ogra: any sign of hwdb being improved on the server side?  we don't get much information out of it
[06:02] <ogra> Riddell, i have access to the servers in the DC
[06:02] <ogra> (since a week or so)
[06:02] <cjwatson> iwj: I thought the previous data would do
[06:02] <ogra> elmo has the data to out it there
[06:02] <ogra> s/out/put/
[06:03] <cjwatson> it's really important to get that server move done
[06:03] <ogra> but we're still lacking an SQL backend
[06:03] <ogra> that needs to be programmed and set up for proper searching etc
[06:03] <Riddell> shouldn't there be a spec for that then?
[06:03] <cjwatson> I'm very unconvinced about edubuntu-on-two-cds; it would be quite a bit of installer and CD image hassle, and mdz didn't sound terribly convinced on the approvers call
[06:04] <ogra> i'm fine to attack one side in feisty but not both ... so either server or client ...
[06:04] <highvoltage> cjwatson: can you suggest any alternatives?
[06:04] <cjwatson> not here, let's talk about it in MtV
[06:04] <ogra> right
[06:04] <highvoltage> ok
[06:04] <pitti> what about keeping the core install on one CD and have the second one as a pure add-on apt source?
[06:04] <pitti> true, /me shuts up
[06:04] <ogra> i dont like that
[06:05] <rodarvus> :)
[06:05] <iwj> cjwatson: I think I should recollect it; the people involved have changed, and some people have differently differing timezones in the winter.
[06:05] <ogra> i'd like it to act like debian does with multi CD installs
[06:05] <ogra> but as cjwatson said .... MTV stuff
[06:05] <cjwatson> ogra: that's something mdz and I *explicitly* don't want
[06:05] <cjwatson> in fact mdz brought up that very example
[06:05] <ogra> thats what i suspected :)
[06:06] <cjwatson> ogra: are all the edubuntu specs you care about on the mtv agenda?
[06:06] <ogra> we cant release on DVD by default so we'll need a CD solution of some kind
[06:06] <ogra> cjwatson, yep
[06:06] <cjwatson> I don't see edubuntu-install-profiles on the list
[06:06] <cjwatson> are you sure?
[06:06] <ogra> wrongly prioritized though
[06:06] <highvoltage> ogra: didn't you mention you wanted the xfce one on there too?
[06:07] <ogra> highvoltage, not my spec
[06:07] <rodarvus> highvoltage, the xfce one is basically approved
[06:07] <rodarvus> its my spec
[06:07] <cjwatson> FWIW, the prioritisation is for discussion, not implementation
[06:07] <highvoltage> rodarvus: ok, greay!
[06:07] <ogra> cjwatson, ergh, right
[06:07] <highvoltage> *great
[06:07] <ogra> cjwatson, ok to add it now =?
[06:07] <cjwatson> i.e. the high priority ones are the ones we think most need to be scheduled rather than the things that are most important to get done
[06:07] <cjwatson> ogra: yes, but please mail mdz about it
[06:07] <cjwatson> and about any priorities you think are wrong
[06:08] <ogra> cjwatson, well, if its about discussion only i'm fine with the prios
[06:08] <ogra> i didnt understand it like that
[06:08] <heno> cjwatson: and that will be re-adjusted after UDS?
[06:08] <cjwatson> heno: possibly, not sure
[06:08] <cjwatson> might make sense to do so
[06:09] <cjwatson> for UDS though, the scheduler looks at priorities and tries to get the highest ones scheduled first
[06:09] <heno> that's been the traditional interpretation
[06:09] <tfheen> the priorities are discussion, not implementation priorities.  mdz said so during the confcall
[06:09] <heno> makes sense
[06:09] <cjwatson> ogra: thanks
[06:09] <cjwatson> rodarvus: next
[06:09] <ogra> rodarvus, please make sure to sort everything with the support team about the xfce stuff, we usually dont give support for it
[06:09] <cjwatson> 1:10 in, good grief
[06:09] <rodarvus> * Will be directly involved
[06:09] <rodarvus> accelerated-x, simple-x-mode-selection, bullet-proof-x, beryl-by-default, fully-automatic-swap-server, edubuntu-xfce-desktop, edubuntu-on-two-cds, ltsp-community-building, edubuntu-install-profiles, xserver-failover, x-input-redirection
[06:09] <rodarvus> * Particular interested on
[06:09] <rodarvus> edubuntu-network-auth-server, edubuntu-network-auth-client, ltsp-fat-clients, student-control-panel-upgrade, ltsp-persistent-home, glx-memory-management, damage-and-composite-issues, network-authentication, hard-disk-migration-tool, ltsp-management-gui, graphic-effect-layers, edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound
[06:09] <rodarvus> * Generically interested on (if time permits)
[06:09] <rodarvus> binary-driver-education, feature-cycle, edgy-fontconfig, zeroconf-networking, xulrunner-gecko
[06:09] <rodarvus> * Blocked (but super-hyper-important)
[06:09] <rodarvus> Two new specs, which can only be added to LaunchPad after (pending) approval from sabdfl
[06:09] <rodarvus> ogra, ok (notes taken about the subject)
[06:09] <cjwatson> rodarvus: how very cryptic
[06:10] <tfheen> rodarvus: you're going to have a busy week, I see? :-)
[06:10] <rodarvus> cjwatson, yes, sorry :/
[06:10] <rodarvus> tfheen, there's stuff thats not in this list, actually
[06:10] <rodarvus> I'll be "chairing" three different groups
[06:10] <cjwatson> rodarvus: ok, I hope you can manage to have read up on everything in advance, since you won't have much time to do so at the meeting
[06:10] <rodarvus> so I'll likely just skip the specs which I'm not involved
[06:11] <rodarvus> cjwatson, I did (and am doing it, actually :) )
[06:11] <Keybuk> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/launchpadassignedtome.user.js
[06:11] <cjwatson> rodarvus: thanks
[06:11] <cjwatson> Keybuk: next
[06:11] <Keybuk> ^ for Greasemonkey users ... add "?limit=USERNAME"
[06:11] <Keybuk> --
[06:11] <Keybuk> Done:
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * Got MoM up to speed on feisty, it's running now
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * New MoM stats graphs
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * Packaging new udev
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * Starting my merges
[06:11] <Keybuk> To do:
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * Sync mania when tool chain in
[06:11] <Keybuk> Specs:
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * I'm apparently the noose-man for the telepathy stuff, even though dholbach is the star who'll do most of the work
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * Going to keep an eye on the zeroconf/avahi related plans and make sure they come to fruition
[06:11] <Keybuk>  * Various upstart and boot-related specs and plans for edgy
[06:13] <cjwatson> I noticed the graphs - they're rather shiny
[06:13] <seb128> Keybuk: any plan for network-manager? ;)
[06:13] <Keybuk> seb128: continue ignoring it?
[06:13] <Keybuk> demote it to universe
[06:13] <Keybuk> BURN IT
[06:13] <seb128> I see
[06:13] <cjwatson> (bottom of merges.ubuntu.com/{main,restricted,universe,multiverse}.html
[06:13] <cjwatson> )
[06:14] <dholbach> I hope that giskard will start maintaining it.
[06:14] <cjwatson> Keybuk: /upstart/s/edgy/feisty/
[06:14] <Keybuk> oh, yes
[06:14] <mvo> Keybuk: can we do wpa with anything else than network manager?
[06:14] <Keybuk> the problem with n-m is that the people who want to maintain it, don't care about any other use case other than "Using network manager"
[06:14] <cjwatson> I hope everyone has updated whatever aliases/mini-shell-scripts they have that hardcode edgy :-)
[06:14] <Keybuk> and we can't have that as the default
[06:14] <Keybuk> mvo: wpa supplicant ?
[06:14] <pitti> seb128: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-roaming
[06:15] <seb128> pitti: thank you
[06:15] <rodarvus> mvo, I think you just need to setup wpa_supplicant manually
[06:15] <rodarvus> (a lot of manual work, granted)
[06:15] <cjwatson> somebody who cares should teach netcfg about that
[06:15] <Keybuk> rodarvus: not really, just a few config options added to /etc/network/interfaces
[06:15] <mvo> aha, I wasn't aware of this, thanks
[06:15] <Keybuk> cjwatson: already did
[06:15] <Keybuk> but it didn't work :(
[06:15] <Keybuk> WPA is ... hard
[06:15] <cjwatson> would need a wpasupplicant-udeb ...
[06:15] <cjwatson> anyway, later
[06:15] <cjwatson> Keybuk: thanks
[06:16] <cjwatson> seb128: next
[06:16] <seb128> Done:
[06:16] <seb128> - bunch of desktop fixes uploaded to edgy-proposed
[06:16] <seb128> - "Reduce delta with upstream" week for desktop
[06:16] <seb128> - bug triage, bug triage, bug triage, bug triage
[06:16] <seb128> - mails catching up
[06:16] <seb128> - specs for MTV summit
[06:16] <seb128> .
[06:16] <seb128> MTV:
[06:16] <seb128> assigne:
[06:16] <seb128> - tab-consistency: Mark wants everything use the old firefox 1.5 tabs style
[06:16] <seb128> - desktop-slab: integration of new GNOME menu applet, GNOME is likely to accept it for 2.18. Not sure if we should consider it for default desktop (maybe giving a choices of panel profiles to the user)
[06:16] <seb128> drafter:
[06:16] <seb128> - easy-codec-installation: applications should make easy for the user to install the package shipping the codec he needs to play the file he's trying to play
[06:16] <seb128> approver:
[06:16] <seb128> - feisty-login: gdm eyes candy
[06:16] <seb128> interest to:
[06:16] <seb128> - beryl-by-default: compiz or beryl on the desktop
[06:16] <seb128> - beagle-integration: beagle on the desktop?
[06:16] <seb128> - crash-reporting: having a crash database instead of making user attach crash files manually to launchpad
[06:16] <seb128> - tracker-integration: tracker packaging and maybe on the desktop?
[06:16] <seb128> - feisty-telepathy: new cool technology
[06:16] <seb128> - gnome-mount: new cool GNOME technology to define mounting policy, etc
[06:17] <cjwatson> kwwii has to leave
[06:17] <kwwii> bye all
[06:18] <ogra> ciao kwwii, see you here in SF ;)
[06:18] <kwwii> ogra: see you soon :-)
[06:18] <pitti> seb128: really, ffox 1.5 style? not 2.0? i. e. one global close button?
[06:18] <seb128> pitti: right
[06:18] <ogra> cool !
[06:19] <pitti> ouch, that means to change all our programs...
[06:19] <seb128> that would mean changing the world, and I think we have better to do
[06:19] <cjwatson> tab-consistency drove me out of the room last time; I hope to avoid it this time too
[06:19] <seb128> pitti: right, help me to convince Mark then :p
[06:19] <pitti> anyway -> MTV
[06:19] <dholbach> pitti: and add a hack to gtknotebook
[06:19] <cjwatson> seb128: thanks
[06:19] <cjwatson> tfheen: next
[06:19] <tfheen> not doing done/todo.
[06:19] <tfheen> feisty-release-schedule: obvious
[06:19] <tfheen> archive-training: I get to be an archive admin (so I can be an RM this time too, but without having to have Colin and Adam shove things for me)
[06:19] <tfheen> grub2: hopefully we'll get it supported but not default. Default for fawn+1
[06:19] <tfheen> code-review: a bit unsure about this one really is about.
[06:20] <tfheen> those are my assigned specs, in addition I'm approver for a bunch.
[06:21] <dholbach> tfheen: i'm happy to chat with you about code-review
[06:21] <dholbach> i subscribed myself to it
[06:21] <tfheen> dholbach: ok, can we do that in #u-d after the meeting?
[06:21] <cjwatson> tfheen: mind if we potentially piggyback some other archive admin improvement discussions onto your archive-training? I can't imagine training will take longer than 20 minutes or so, and you might as well stick your oar in on the rest
[06:22] <dholbach> tfheen: as you like it
[06:22] <tfheen> cjwatson: sure, that's fine with me.
[06:22] <Keybuk> tfheen: http://wiki,ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[06:23] <Keybuk> s/,/./
[06:23] <cjwatson> tfheen: have fun being the only approver who'll get time to actually sit in on his approvees? :)
[06:23] <cjwatson> tfheen: thanks
[06:23] <cjwatson> BenC is still not here ...
[06:23] <cjwatson> keescook: ?
[06:23] <tfheen> cjwatson: lucky me. :-)
[06:23] <keescook> Done:
[06:23] <keescook>  * security updates: libksba, xinit, binutils, pike7.6, clamav, screen, libpam-ldap, ruby1.8, mutt, wv
[06:23] <keescook>  * security reviews: newz2000's moin form parser, libx11, qt, nvidia, apport, flashplugin-nonfree, thttpd
[06:23] <keescook>  * finished most remaining universe rebuilds for linking to openssl0.9.8
[06:23] <keescook>  * RC/final release CD and DVD testing: mostly PPC
[06:23] <keescook>  * bug fixing: 39275, 65831, 65948, 65616, 65855, 65763, 66690, 65616, 66976, 34723
[06:23] <keescook>  * SRU: vino (bug 65795)
[06:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65795 in vino "vino won't accept my password" [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65795
[06:23] <keescook>  * investigating crash reports: mono, firefox
[06:24] <keescook>  * got feisty chroot built, investigated MoM, did merge work on inkscape.
[06:24] <keescook> To do:
[06:24] <keescook>  * security updates: l-r-m (nvidia)
[06:24] <keescook>  * SRU: mutt (bug 65821)
[06:24] <keescook> UDS:
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65821 in mutt "edgy beta - mutt sasl authentication broken" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65821
[06:24] <keescook>  * Assignee: memory-protection: What can we do to the toolchain and kernel to get even more memory protections to foil vulnerability exploits?  I'm digging through all the pieces for this currently.
[06:24] <keescook>  * Interested in: security, crash reports, networking, multimedia. (A big list I won't paste here unless that's wanted.)
[06:25] <cjwatson> keescook: do feel free to badger other distro team members about what's going on at UDS, since it's your first time
[06:25] <keescook> Oh, I will be.  I'm going to follow pitti around.  :)
[06:26] <Keybuk> who's performing the hazing?
[06:26] <doko> pitti: don't forget the leash ;)
[06:27] <cjwatson> keescook: thanks
[06:27] <cjwatson> doko: ready?
[06:27] <doko> this week:
[06:27] <doko>  - finalize OOo and eclipse proposals for edgy-updates
[06:27] <doko>  - toolchain preparations for feisty, long double ABI change
[06:27] <doko>  - bug triage
[06:27] <doko>  - specs, pretty all of them still need work before UDS
[06:27] <doko> specs for feisty:
[06:27] <doko>  - feisty-toolchain-roadmap (just the remainings which need to be done)
[06:27] <doko>  - feistyplusone-toolchain-roadmap (BoF)
[06:27] <doko>  - feisty-python-roadmap (2.5 as default, egg support, remove code from /var, sane installation locations)
[06:27] <doko>  - conflicts-replaces-checker (discussion, maybe not for feisty; checking replaces/conflicts fields after upload)
[06:27] <doko>  - feisty-java-roadmap (gcj (and open-sourced? sun-java)
[06:27] <doko>  - feisty-openoffice.org (discussion, what to do, and what not)
[06:27] <doko>  - rosetta-ooo-rollout (discussion/test with carlos, danilos)
[06:27] <doko>  - revisiting ssp as the default (with pitti)
[06:28] <cjwatson> doko: many of those specs don't seem to be on the list
[06:28] <cjwatson> doko: can you make sure you've proposed any that need discussion, and mail mdz?
[06:28] <doko> cjwatson: yes, still in proposed, sorry
[06:28] <mvo> doko: can you subscribe me for  conflicts-replaces-checker?
[06:29] <pitti> doko: when keescook and I finished memory-protection, it'll become even scarier :-P
[06:29] <doko> cjwatson: sending mdz email after the meeting
[06:29] <doko> mvo: ok
[06:30] <cjwatson> doko: thanks, good work on the toolchain so far
[06:30] <cjwatson> ... though I suppose I should hold off on that until we all start trying to use it :-)
[06:30] <doko> hah :)
[06:30] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: do you have a handle on your specs for UDS?
[06:31] <doko> pitti: did you come up with a better way to build packages with ssp enabled?
[06:32] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: if not, let me know and we'll try to sort things out
[06:32] <pitti> doko: no, just more flags
[06:32] <keescook> and patches to gdb.  :)
[06:32] <cjwatson> ok, have i missed anyone?
[06:32] <cjwatson> s/i/I/
[06:32] <zul> me but im only working on two specs
[06:32] <ogra> does mdz have specs ?
[06:32] <zul> xen-by-default and xenubuntu
[06:33] <cjwatson> zul: oh yes. Those are ones you're putting forward yourself, aren't they?
[06:33] <cjwatson> so you're probably up to speed on them :-)
[06:33] <zul> yes
[06:33] <tkamppeter> I am here. I will put my part now/
[06:33] <zul> and im also interested in a whole bunch of specs
[06:33] <cjwatson> zul: ok, mail me/mdz if you have problems
[06:33] <tkamppeter> Report Oct 13 - Nov  2, 2006
[06:33] <tkamppeter> DONE:
[06:33] <tkamppeter> - FSG OpenPrinting Summit in Lexington, KY:
[06:33] <tkamppeter>   http://www.freestandards.org/en/OpenPrinting/SummitLexington
[06:33] <tkamppeter>    o LSB-3.2-related outcomes:
[06:33] <tkamppeter>      http://www.freestandards.org/images/6/67/Lsb-printing-roadmap.pdf
[06:33] <iwj> conflicts-replaces-checker> I should subscribe to that.
[06:33] <tkamppeter>      The functionality mentioned here must be part of feisty to assure
[06:34] <tkamppeter>      that distribution-independent driver packages auto-downloaded
[06:34] <tkamppeter>      from the internet will work.
[06:34] <tkamppeter>    o Parallel session on common printing and printer setup dialogs:
[06:34] <tkamppeter>      http://wiki.openusability.org/printing/
[06:34] <tkamppeter>    o Jim Zemlin's (CEO FSG) presentation:
[06:34] <tkamppeter>      http://www.freestandards.org/images/5/56/Open_Printing_-_Think_Big.pdf
[06:34] <tkamppeter>      Nice summary of the problems and what has to be done
[06:34] <iwj> Oh, I'm subscribed arleady :-).
[06:34] <tkamppeter> - Upstream discussion with HP developer Donald Welch about HPLIP's fax not
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   working on Ubuntu (bug 66830): Ubuntu (and current Debian) use PyQt 3.16,
[06:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66830 in python-qt3 "Problem with Socket Inter-Process Communication" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66830
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   Mandriva 2OO7 uses PyQt 3.14. On 3.16 there is an inter-process
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   communication bug which did not exist in 3.14. Donald Welch is working
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   on a solution.
[06:34] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2 in program "Warning messages appeared while loading xemacs" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2
[06:34] <tkamppeter> - Answered to bug reports
[06:34] <tkamppeter> TODO:
[06:34] <tkamppeter> - Features/sessions planned for the Ubuntu Developer Summit (*: Submitted
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   by myself):
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   o Automatic hotplug printer configuration
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/automatic-printer-conf
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     (Accepted session)
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   o *Replace gnome-cups-manager by printerdrake
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/printerdrake
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     (Accepted session)
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   o PPD File Structure Specification
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ppd-file-structure
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     (Not (yet) accepted session)
[06:34] <tkamppeter>   o Standardization of the impression
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/applications-printing
[06:34] <tkamppeter>     (Not (yet) accepted session)
[06:35] <tkamppeter>   o Make PDF "Printer" functionality for CUPS as default
[06:35] <cjwatson> whoa, verbose
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/pdf-printing-cups-as-default
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     (Accepted session)
[06:35] <tkamppeter>   o Easy configuration of printer sharing
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/printer-sharing
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     (Accepted session)
[06:35] <tkamppeter>   o *Automatic download of printer drivers through the internet
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/printerdriverautodownload
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     (Accepted session)
[06:35] <tkamppeter>   o *The results of the FSG OpenPrinting Summit in Lexington and the next Ubuntu
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/printing-summit-lexington-and-ubuntu
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     (Accepted session)
[06:35] <tkamppeter> - Proposed official updates for Ubuntu Edgy
[06:35] <tkamppeter>   o HPLIP faxing functionality (bug 66830): Waiting for a fix from HPLIP
[06:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66830 in python-qt3 "Problem with Socket Inter-Process Communication" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66830
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     or PyQt developers
[06:35] <tkamppeter>   o foo2zjs firmware auto-loading for HP LaserJet 1000/1005/1018/1020
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     (bug 65618, bug 68736): Fixed package already made, only needs to be
[06:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65618 in foo2zjs "Firmware upload to LJ 1000/1005/1008/1020 broken (fix to be proposed as Edgy update)" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65618
[06:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68736 in foo2zjs "foo2zjs does not work with hp laserjet 1018" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68736
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     submitted.
[06:35] <tkamppeter>   o Parallel printer detection seems not to work correctly in Edgy
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     (bug 29050 + duplicates): Needs to be fixed by kernel team and fixed
[06:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29050 in linux-source-2.6.17 "cupsys does not automatically detect parallel printer" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29050
[06:35] <tkamppeter>     kernel provided as update.
[06:36] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: please try to keep reports a bit shorter in future - I think that's more than anyone can read in a relatively time-limited meeting
[06:36] <iwj> printerdriverautodownload - is it just me or is that scary from a security pov ?
[06:37] <ogra> Ubugtu noise is also quite annoying, probably Seveas could disable it for -meeting
[06:37] <pitti> iwj: depends on how we restrict and authenticate the sources, I guess, but I agree
[06:37] <tkamppeter> Sorry, I have added a link to everything and also many bug numbers which made Ubugtu making it twice as long.
[06:38] <cjwatson> Ubugtu added five lines versus your 56. :-)
[06:38] <cjwatson> iwj: would you mind sitting in on that discussion?
[06:38] <tkamppeter> In terms of auto download of printer drivers: We are a desktop distro and shouls make live as easy as possible.
[06:39] <tkamppeter> We will ask the user before auto-downloading anything.
[06:39] <ogra> what about dialup users and non-connected ones ?
[06:39] <pitti> (but with keeping a healthy balance in terms of trusting drivers, etc.)
[06:39] <ogra> they wont be able to use printers ?
[06:39] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: let's not get into the trap of a usability vs. security argument
[06:39] <pitti> ogra: I don't think we should drop all drivers from the CD
[06:39] <ogra> right
[06:39] <tkamppeter> Auto-downloading is done from freestandards.org, not from each driver authors own site
[06:39] <pitti> let's discuss it on the UDS
[06:40] <iwj> cjwatson: Sure, I've subscribed myself.
[06:40] <tkamppeter> The most important drivers will continue to be available on the CD.
[06:40] <cjwatson> iwj: thanks
[06:40] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: ok, thank you
[06:40] <cjwatson> I think we're all done now; as mentioned, if there's any last-minute stuff, e-mail mdz or me to make sure it gets looked at on Sunday
[06:41] <zul> later..
[06:41] <cjwatson> I've been voluntold to help set up on Sunday, which I think will cover some last-minute stuff
[06:41] <iwj> Phew.
[06:41] <cjwatson> thanks, everyone; adjourned
[06:41] <cjwatson> COFFEE
[06:41] <ogra> ++
[06:41] <pitti> DINNER!
[06:41] <keescook> breakfast!
[06:41] <pitti> thanks to you all, and see you in S.F.!
[06:41] <sladen> tkamppeter: if the linuxprinting.org-ppds / foomatic-filters-ppds packages weren't full of 500 identically individually gzip'ed files, the compressed size would be able 1/10th of the current 25MB since nearly all the files are virtually identically.
[06:41] <iwj> Packing!
[06:41] <mvo> Football!
[06:42] <tfheen> unsharpening cat claws!
[06:42] <pitti> tfheen: *ruffle*
[06:42] <dholbach> thanks
[06:42] <ogra> tfheen, ouch ...
[06:42] <ogra> doesnt that get quite bloody for you ?
[06:42] <ogra> (my cats dont like it at all)
[06:43] <tkamppeter> sladen, I will look into this and change the packaging appropriately. Best is to report a Launchpad bug about this.
[06:43] <tfheen> ogra: no, they're quite happy about it.
[06:43] <ogra> lucky you
[06:44] <tkamppeter> sladen, foomatic-filter-ppds is not there in Edgy any more, as we have dynamich PPD building of CUPS 1.2.
[06:45] <Keybuk> cjwatson: don't you mean setup on saturday?
[06:45] <tkamppeter> sladen, and the package of individually gzipped files is probably originating from Debian. Perhaps we should report this to the Debian packager.
[06:45] <Keybuk> the first day of MTV is Sunday
[06:53] <cjwatson> Keybuk: er, yeah
[06:53] <cjwatson> I arrive at 13:15
[06:57] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: gunzipping all the ppds makes foomatic-filters-ppd.deb about 3MB smaller, but it also makes it consume about 56MB more disk space when installed
[06:57] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: so it seems like a pretty reasonable tradeoff on the part of the Debian maintaine
[06:57] <cjwatson> r
[06:57] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: I think to get the best of both worlds you'd have to extract the PPDs from a .tar.gz on the fly or something, which probably wouldn't be very fast
[08:05] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, The best is perhaps to gzip the PPD files in the post-install script, but then one would need the full disk space temporarily, as package install is always pre-install-script->copy-all-files->post-install-script, the file copying cannot be intercepted.
[08:08] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: postinst scripts must not modify /usr, though
[08:08] <cjwatson> so that gets difficult
[08:09] <cjwatson> also postinst scripts really shouldn't delete files shipped by the package
[08:09] <cjwatson> (I think the latter's actually a stronger consideration, since it does break some things)
[08:09] <cjwatson> e.g. debsums
[08:31] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, Then perhaps the Debian packaging system needs to be changed, so that when a .gz or a .bz2 file is included that it gets uncompressed on the fly when the package is built and recompressed when the package is installed. Then the packager does not need to care about including compressed files.
[08:32] <cjwatson> that's not going to happen in the remotely near future, and would not be generally appropriate
[10:36] <Seveas> ogra, sure, but people have more than once requested for it to be enabled in here
[10:36] <Seveas> can't have it both ways...
[10:38] <ogra> Seveas, which people ?
[10:38] <ogra> distro team people ?
[10:38] <Seveas> I forgot the nicknames, but I'm rather sure that there were at least one or two of them asking for it


[00:31] <ScottL> knome, it looks like there is a single test left:  alternative 64bit full install
[00:31] <ScottL> knome, are you running that now or is someone else?
[00:32] <ScottL> oh, nevermind, i understand what you typed now
[00:32] <ScottL> eh, i'm still going to install because i want to play with xubuntu 12.04 anyways :P
[00:38] <knome> heh
[00:38] <knome> feel free to
[00:38] <pleia2> ScottL: you doing the 64-alt?
[00:38] <pleia2> I'm burning now
[00:38] <knome> pleia2, err, they are DONE
[00:38] <pleia2> ah!
[00:39]  * knome did 6 tests today
[00:39] <pleia2> they weren't done when I started downloading :)
[00:39] <knome> heh
[00:39] <pleia2> one wubi desktop still need to be done?
[00:39] <ScottL> pleia2, not yet, still downloading (after i got my daughter to stop watching netflix)
[00:39] <knome> two wubi's
[00:39] <pleia2> an, 386 too
[00:39] <pleia2> ah
[00:40] <ScottL> knome, i'm very curious to see how the clock plugin behaves and see if ubuntu studio should do the same
[00:41] <knome> ScottL, :)
[00:41] <pleia2> alright, I think I'll do iso testing tomorrow instead
[00:41] <pleia2> because I have 100 million things to do otherwise
[00:41] <knome> yup, sounds sensible
[00:42] <knome> awwh
[00:43] <knome> the one time i download something like i shouldn't, somebody has *completely* messed the thing up
[00:43] <knome> wrong accent on band name, all songs misnamed, and the vinyl rip pops more than my say what.
[00:59] <knome> ok, i'm off to sleep
[00:59] <knome> see you tomorrow
[01:00] <Unit193> 'Night.
[02:28] <malaverdiere> Hello *
[02:28] <malaverdiere> I have experienced two total freezes on my xubuntu system
[02:29] <malaverdiere> I'm on 12.04
[02:30] <malaverdiere> I am not sure how to identify the source of the bug
[02:30] <malaverdiere> but I would like to contribute the data for bugfix
[02:30] <malaverdiere> BTW, I am getting a 500 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/PrecisePangolin
[04:36] <astraljava> Aww... you guys! :)
[04:36]  * astraljava can feel the love
[04:41] <astraljava> Oh, oops!
[04:46] <Unit193> You joined a channel.
[04:56] <astraljava> Yeah, somehow I thought I had already.
[04:56] <astraljava> Oh well, at least it happened still during the p cycle. :D
[09:44] <knome> pleia2, in addition to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu, the article in xubuntu.org should receive the *same* love, or at least before we publish we want it to be in line with the page on wiki
[09:45] <knome> pleia2, at least the shortcuts are shown in a different way yeah, but we should see if the texts match
[09:45] <knome> + how has the mailing list gone so unpleasant?
[09:46] <knome> i mean, people all telling "YOU BROKE IT IDIOT" if they say they are using compiz/insert-pkg-name-here
[10:01] <skaet> knome,   your image testing is looking pretty much done, and in reasonable shape for Xubuntu,   can you sign off on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest that they've been tested now.  :)
[10:01] <skaet> we'll then copy them to final as prep for tomorrow.
[10:02] <skaet> (unless there's something that's not on the tester..... )
[10:02]  * skaet crosses fingers
[10:04] <knome> skaet, done, thanks for the heads up :)
[10:04] <skaet> thanks knome.  :)
[10:05]  * knome did only 6 tests yesterday O:)
[10:06] <knome> skaet, btw, what is there we can do with the status of xubuntu wubi?
[10:07] <knome> skaet, i don't think that's been tested too much lately
[10:08] <skaet> knome,  best talk to ev in release channel on what's possible.
[10:09] <knome> okay, thanks, i will get to that in the Q cycle
[10:09]  * knome thinks that even the alternate images are a bit too much while there *are* reasons to keep them too
[10:09] <skaet> knome,  I think a session to review the manditory test cases for Xubuntu at UDS is probably appropriate as well in general.
[10:09] <knome> skaet, i'm not attending UDS in person, but i agree
[10:09] <knome> skaet, we definitely need to go through the testcases too
[10:10] <knome> skaet, they are referring to login sounds, but we *never* had a login sound...
[10:18]  * skaet nods
[10:18] <skaet> knome,  able to attend some of the sessions remotely if we schedule them in US morning?
[10:22] <knome> skaet, probably
[10:23] <knome> but then again, most probably not video/phoneconf
[10:23] <knome> skaet, we could just sit down with astraljava IRL someday and think what to do. :)
[10:23] <knome> bbl
[10:33] <skaet> knome,  yup.   we can do that.   Be good to have some of the other QA folks in the discussion though too.  :)
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> i just upgrade my 11.10 Xubuntun
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> tu
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> to 12.04
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> try to get xfce 4.10 with the ppa
[10:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> after i disable the ppa for to go to 12.04 normal Xubuntu
[10:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> but my keyboard shortcut dont works :/
[10:37] <Schrodinger`Cat> what can i do ?
[10:38] <ochosi> Schrodinger`Cat: have you tried to re-set any of your shortcuts by hand?
[10:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> yes
[10:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> its not like before
[10:40] <ochosi> have you downgraded all xfce packages?
[10:40] <ochosi> (and rebooted)
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> i do sudo ppa-purge ppa:mrpouit/ppa
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> and sudo apt-get update
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> and sudo apt-get upgrade --fi-missing --> (nothing to do)
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> fix-missing
[10:44] <Schrodinger`Cat> and i have reboot
[10:49] <ochosi> haven't used ppa-purge before tbh
[10:49] <ochosi> but i'd manually check the packages via synaptic
[11:05] <mr_pouit> (downgrading between xfce releases is really never a good idea...)
[12:01] <astraljava> skaet: I _am_ the QA contact person, so that'd be awesome.
[12:01] <skaet> astraljava,  will you be at UDS?
[12:01] <skaet> or should we set something up at another time?
[12:03] <astraljava> skaet: No I won't, I just started at a new job so knew in advance that I wouldn't have spare time for that.
[12:03] <astraljava> But my working hours are so that most often I will get out of work when your morning is just starting.
[12:04] <astraljava> skaet: Don't recall the UDS schedule, when were you planning to have that session?
[12:04] <skaet> astraljava,  hasn't been scheduled yet,  so some flexibility still.  ;)   will coord with you on it next week.
[12:07] <astraljava> skaet: Sounds good. Next week I'll be really busy, so probably best to use email for that.
[12:07] <skaet> astraljava, coolio.  can do.
[12:07]  * skaet hopes to be less busy next week.   ;)
[12:19] <astraljava> Don't we all... :)
[12:20] <astraljava> Release week is the worst. :D
[12:20] <astraljava> But this is the first time when I've had a tough schedule outside of Ubuntu work, so it's been extra tough for me.
[12:23] <astraljava> Why do I see #xubuntu-unregged in the channel information on #xubuntu?
[12:30] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: please review the unity-article on xubuntu.org, it would be nice if you could approve/publish it today, so that it doesn't go out on the same day as the release post
[12:31] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: feel free to alter whatever is not understandable/clear or add stuff if you think something is missing
[12:33] <malaverdiere> Good morning *
[12:34] <malaverdiere> I showed up yesterday about a total freeze, but I think everyone was away
[12:34] <malaverdiere> I wanted to know how I can get data to help with a bug report
[12:35] <astraljava> malaverdiere: I'm not sure exactly, but I'd say you should attach the main logs into the bug report; Xorg.0.log, syslog and kern.log from /var/log
[12:36] <malaverdiere> I'll get those. Any other? I remember looking at dmesg and finding nothing special in there
[12:36] <astraljava> It's hard to pin-point without knowing any details, but then someone else might have a known suspect or something.
[12:37] <astraljava> I'm not on a linux-machine, so can't take a look at the directory for any additional log file. But it's alright to file the bug first, the person who triages the bug will know what to ask for.
[13:07] <skaet> knome, astraljava - will your announce for 12.04 be placed at http://xubuntu.org/news/12.04-release tomorrow?  (same pattern as yesterday)
[13:07] <skaet> lol
[13:07] <skaet> s/yesterday/last release/
[15:55] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[15:57] <Schrodinger`Cat> now its better to download Xubuntu 12.04 beta2 or the daily build ?
[16:01] <holstein> Schrodinger`Cat: you can assume the beta will "work".. assuming hte daily is working, you can argue which is "best"
[16:01] <holstein> i would personally get the daily
[16:03] <pleia2> ochosi: s/derivatives/flavors
[16:05] <pleia2> ochosi: I think you want to mention somewhere that Greybird is a shimmer project
[16:06] <Schrodinger`Cat> holstein: thanks
[16:07] <pleia2> ochosi: other than that, looks good, I was worried it would feel off-topic but I really like how you tied it into the flavors not competing, well done :)
[16:10] <GridCube> Schrodinger`Cat, daily
[16:11] <holstein> unless the daily is not working for some reason
[16:11] <holstein> i would get the daily with the expectation of getting one of the others if theres a problem
[16:16] <Schrodinger`Cat> ok
[16:17] <Schrodinger`Cat> if i see problems i will try to give to you for help another users :)
[16:17] <Schrodinger`Cat> i love this linux distribution :)
[16:21] <GridCube> daily works here purrfectly
[16:24] <holstein> yeah, its one of those things thats hardly ever a problem.. until it is... if you've got bandwidth restrictions or time contraints
[16:33] <pleia2> we'll be in trouble if it's a problem today :)
[16:33] <pleia2> they're actually still doing some rebuilds of the 25 images
[16:34] <holstein> hehe... theres still time for problems :)
[16:34] <pleia2> s/25 images/April 25th images
[16:34] <holstein> better today than tomorrow
[16:34] <pleia2> indeed!
[17:02] <pleia2> skaet: sorry, didn't see your note, yes
[17:02] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release
[17:02] <skaet> Thanks pleia2!  :)
[17:02] <pleia2> knome: I can review release notes and the post, but I don't know enough to help write anything else
[17:13] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks! and thanks for reading
[17:14] <ochosi> pleia2: well i dunno, it's not that important to me to stress the shimmer part, after all i'm part of the xubuntu team now, which i wasn't "back then"
[17:14] <pleia2> ochosi: ok
[17:15] <pleia2> skaet: oops, just realized your link has a . and mine has a - (we can't have . in wordpress, so it converts to -)
[17:15] <pleia2> ochosi: also some linebreak issues between a couple of the paragraphs (they get squished together)
[17:16] <pleia2> looks like just betwen the first and second paragraphs under "Try for yourself!"
[17:16] <pleia2> ochosi: any way you can put a space between each of the screenshots so it's easier to tell there are 4 of them? (no big deal if not)
[17:17]  * pleia2 done for real now
[17:45] <astraljava> Oh gosh, new amd64 images again. Yay.
[17:53] <skaet> astraljava,   they're needed to fix a multiarch issue,  when a 32 bit lib is being loaded when it shouldn't
[17:54] <skaet> this showed up in music player,  which could be embarrassing.
[17:54] <astraljava> skaet: Thanks. :) Of course it's better to be caught now before the release. :)
[17:54] <skaet> For testing,  all that's going to be needed is check that the scenarios from the bug work now,  and then spot test a few of the other tests for sanity.
[17:55] <skaet> The existing images, and results are our backup if anything is wrong.
[17:55] <skaet> we're just trying to get it a little bit better, and the bug might show up more than we'd like.
[17:55]  * skaet plans on turning on her music player.... ;)
[17:55] <astraljava> skaet: A-ha, ok so what would you suggest we should test now? Or should we wait a little until we hear more info?
[17:56] <skaet> astraljava,  do some basic testing now.
[17:56] <ochosi> pleia2: ok, added some spaces
[17:56] <skaet> (if the images have landed)
[17:56] <ochosi> pleia2: with respect to the paragraphs, feel free to add linebreaks
[17:56] <pleia2> k, I'll do that now
[17:56] <ochosi> pleia2: g2g now, you can also publish it if you think it's done :)
[17:56] <pleia2> if you're out of it
[17:56] <pleia2> yes yes, I shall publish now
[17:57] <ochosi> ok, thanks a lot!
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks!
[17:57] <ochosi> bbl
[17:57] <astraljava> skaet: Yeah it started downloading.
[17:57] <skaet> astraljava,  The bugs that triggered this respin are:  bug 987383,  bug 899001
[17:57] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-artwork-update-unity-support/ \o/
[17:58]  * pleia2 shares on the twitter
[17:58] <skaet> That's the scenario to check is working now.
[17:58] <astraljava> skaet: Ok thanks, I'll get on it.
[17:58] <skaet> great!  Thanks.
[17:58] <skaet> shout out in #ubuntu-release channel if surprises show up.
[17:58] <knome> skaet, yeah, will release on that url if needed :)
[17:58] <astraljava> I will.
[17:59] <skaet> thanks knome
[17:59] <knome> actually
[18:00] <knome> it seems wordpress doesn't want us to use a dot
[18:00] <knome> so 12-04-release
[18:00] <knome> skaet, ^
[18:05] <pleia2> knome: my plan is to make some screenshots that are pretty much identical to ones we have now and upload them tonight
[18:05] <knome> pleia2, can you upload them to somewhere else or send me via email, i need to check if the plugin works now as expected
[18:05] <pleia2> knome: ok, will do
[18:05] <knome> (should, after update, but i don't want you to have to go through it)
[18:05] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:05] <knome> np
[18:06] <knome> skaet, can you confirm xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release is ok
[18:10] <skaet> knome,  yup that's fine from my perpective.   Just need to know where.
[18:10] <skaet> so the announce can reference it. :)
[18:10] <knome> skaet, yeah, that will be the url
[18:10] <skaet> coolio.  :)
[18:13] <knome> great
[18:23] <astraljava> sweet
[20:55] <pleia2> goodness the twitter natives are already restless about release timing
[21:59] <ochosi> knome: not sure you also read the blog-post about unity-support, but since pleia2 was kind enough to go over it i thought it's fine to publish it
[22:28] <ochosi> pleia2: i think we should show the name of the post-author somewhere
[22:28] <ochosi> pleia2: and maybe even add an option to display the function in the xubuntu team
[22:28] <pleia2> I think it's a theme thing
[22:28] <ochosi> yes, it should be easy to add that in wordpress
[22:29] <ochosi> knome: ^ ;)
[22:29] <ochosi> i mostly wanted to ask you about your opinion on that
[22:29] <pleia2> but yeah, post author would be nice
[22:29] <ochosi> i mean people can easily guess that i write most artwork articles
[22:29] <ochosi> but with other articles it's less clear
[22:29] <ochosi> and i think it's still important to see who's saying what
[22:30] <ochosi> otherwise we'd consequently have to s/I/we in all posts...
[23:19] <GridCube> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNYo6gMhTg
[23:24] <ochosi> strange, looks like he's using an older version, xfce4-mixer is still installed
[23:25] <GridCube> yes
[23:25] <GridCube> its weird
[23:26] <GridCube> the wallpaper is also wrong
[23:26] <GridCube> :/
[23:26] <ochosi> yes, well as i said, an older version
[23:26] <ochosi> that's the 11.10 wallpaper, it was in 12.04 until i don't know when
[23:27] <GridCube> dunno
[23:27] <ochosi> night everyone! (and happy release!)
[23:27] <GridCube> but its a nice review anyway, although he is missing the nice sound control and other stuff
[23:27] <GridCube> :)


[03:55] <cracka12> anyone know if ubuntu-server can be installed remotely over ssh
[03:55] <cracka12> ?
[12:36] <Madeye> any recommendation for dedicated ubuntu server? actually I'm having hard time in finding a datacenter that support it
[01:13] <J_P> hi all
[06:36] <stagger> hi
[06:36] <stagger> i'm having some trouble with ldap. does anyone know where the default files in /etc/ldap come from, how i can restore the whole directory to its original state?
[06:37] <stagger> it seems to be no part of slapd since a slapd installation only creates empty directories there
[06:56] <Madeye> Any idea where I can get ubuntu dedi ?