[09:11] <acid_phyre> does anyone know how to run a irc network off of unix?
[09:11] <coreymon77> period
[09:11] <Dr_willis> acid_phyre, install an irc server
[09:11] <Dr_willis> ircd or similer.
[09:11] <Steve^> What's the difference between the CD and DVD downloads?
[09:11] <coreymon77> acid_phyre: apt (or adept) are your friends
[09:11] <Dr_willis> dvd has more packages on it - that are NOT isntalled by default.
[09:11] <coreymon77> Steve^: ones a cd and the others a dvd
[09:11] <Dr_willis> i would advise just using the cd.
[09:11] <coreymon77> Steve^: the dvd one is naturally bigger
[09:12] <Dr_willis> a lot of the dvd pakages may be a little old by now.
[09:12] <Dr_willis> unless theyve done a remaster of it recently
[09:12] <Steve^> ok, thanks
[09:13] <SlackRat> kubuntu forums in  german is still up......
[09:16] <coreymon77> jhutchins: are you there?
[09:17] <miltos> hi ppl-:]
[09:18] <coreymon77> hi miltos
[09:19] <miltos> Hi coreymon77
[09:19] <miltos> is automatix down?
[09:19] <coreymon77> !automatix
[09:19] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:19] <coreymon77> somehow i doubt you should be using it
[09:20] <miltos> what's worksforme?
[09:20] <coreymon77> i dunno
[09:21] <coreymon77> !worksforme
[09:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:21] <coreymon77> meaning
[09:21] <miltos> I don't get it...
[09:21] <infocrash> but it works for me
[09:21] <coreymon77> its just a side thing
[09:22] <coreymon77> i know nothing about automatix
[09:22] <coreymon77> but from what i can see kubuntu does not support it
[09:23] <miltos> so do I have to install every package by hand?
[09:23] <coreymon77> no
[09:23] <coreymon77> apt
[09:23] <coreymon77> apt works very well
[09:23] <miltos> I see...
[09:23] <infocrash> what do you mean kubuntu does not support it?
[09:23] <coreymon77> why use a secondary software that often breaks
[09:23] <miltos> and what about the codecs?
[09:23] <acid_phyre> i got a ? i installed hybrid irc server but cant seem to find it anywhere
[09:23] <coreymon77> when you have apt, which works just as well, if not beetter, doesnt break, and is supported
[09:24] <coreymon77> miltos: when they dont support it and strongly discourage its use, it usually means
[09:24] <coreymon77> use it if you like too
[09:24] <ScarFreewill> !patebin
[09:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:24] <ScarFreewill> !pastebin
[09:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:24] <coreymon77> but dont get upset if your system breaks because of it
[09:25] <coreymon77> why use automatix if you can use apt
[09:25] <miltos> how can I install codecs (divx, xvid, dvd etc) via apt?
[09:25] <coreymon77> well
[09:25] <coreymon77> many are already installed
[09:25] <miltos> many but not all...
[09:25] <jhutchins> !mp3 | miltos
[09:25] <acid_phyre> corey could u possible tell me where i would find a installed program like the one i just installed which is ircd-hybrid
[09:25] <ubotu> miltos: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:25] <infocrash> i think automatix site no longer works
[09:26] <coreymon77> but look at the sites ubotu gave you
[09:26] <coreymon77> those should help
[09:27] <jasonthuis> hey guys
[09:27] <coreymon77> miltos: apt-cache search [keyword]  is you friend
[09:27] <jasonthuis> how can i get a mix of ps/2 and usb mouses/keynoards to work?
[09:27] <Hrontore> okay a freeciv question, where is the "meet" butten (im in the players menu and i dont see it)
[09:27] <jasonthuis> keyboards*
[09:28] <infocrash> i'm all for free codecs but, my mp3 player does not support ogg nor theora
[09:28] <miltos> ok coreymon77...for what word should I search for install xvid codec? xvid?
[09:28] <coreymon77> !xvid
[09:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:28] <infocrash> which is what keeps me using mp3 and dvix
[09:29] <coreymon77> miltos: look at those sites
[09:29] <pirothezero> anyone running a core duo system?
[09:29] <_eMaX_> re
[09:29] <_eMaX_> anyone here has beryl working on an ati card? I for f*ks sake do not get any window borders
[09:29] <jasonthuis> how can i get a mix of ps/2 and usb mouses/keyboards to work?
[09:30] <coreymon77> jasonthuis: they should just work
[09:30] <jasonthuis> they dont
[09:30] <coreymon77> jasonthuis: what keyboard/mouse
[09:31] <Hrontore> okay a freeciv question, where is the "meet" butten (im in the players menu and i dont see it)
[09:31] <Hrontore> is there another way to declear war?
[09:31] <jasonthuis> dunno
[09:31] <coreymon77> jasonthuis: i cant help you if i dont know what im working with
[09:31] <jasonthuis> i have a mix, i have usb mouse and ps2 keyboard, but sometimes i have it other way around
[09:32] <coreymon77> what mouse
[09:32] <coreymon77> and what keyboard
[09:32] <jasonthuis> a blue with microsoft on it
[09:32] <jasonthuis> an acer keyboard
[09:32] <miltos> Sometimes there is a need for an off-line repository for kubunt-ubuntu. Does such a thing exist?
[09:32] <coreymon77> miltos: and why is there this need?
[09:33] <FOAD> Hi.
[09:33] <coreymon77> FOAD: hi
[09:34] <FOAD> Trying to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu.
[09:34] <miltos> cause sometimes ppl don't have access to the net...
[09:34] <FOAD> So I apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop and then (when that didn't work) kde.
[09:34] <FOAD> But all that happens on boot is a login screen, and after that the blue background.
[09:34] <FOAD> But that's all.
[09:34] <FOAD> What am I doing wrong?
[09:34] <coreymon77> FOAD: what do you mean, when that didnt work?
[09:35] <FOAD> When I just got a login screen and then a blue background.
[09:35] <FOAD> And a mouse cursor.
[09:35] <coreymon77> miltos: when that happens, your first priority should be to get back on the net
[09:35] <FOAD> But nothing to click or nothing.
[09:35] <coreymon77> miltos: and that is slightly pointless, it will have all old packages
[09:35] <avieira> quit
[09:36] <FOAD> So... help?
[09:36] <blue> is there a key to disable the kubuntu boot logo - if i want to see what services slow the boots process down?
[09:37] <HymnToLife> blue, edit the kernel line in your menu.lst and delete the "quiet"
[09:38] <jasonthuis> help: adept doesnt work anymore
[09:38] <blue> HymnToLife: ok thanks
[09:39] <miltos> ok...but I can not see how can I install divx codec on the pages above...
[09:39] <HymnToLife> !w32codecs
[09:39] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[09:39] <FOAD> No help?
[09:39] <coreymon77> FOAD: how did apt-get installing kubuntu-desktop not work?
[09:40] <FOAD> I get the login screen, log in, then I get a blue background and a mouse cursor.  And that's it.
[09:40] <miltos> Ok...no I get it...thnaks...
[09:40] <FOAD> No mouse button does anything.
[09:40] <miltos> no...-->now
[09:40] <FOAD> There is nothing to click on.
[09:41] <coreymon77> umm
[09:41] <coreymon77> FOAD: what distro did you come from
[09:41] <FOAD> ubuntu
[09:41] <coreymon77> well then
[09:41] <coreymon77> for one thing'
[09:41] <coreymon77> you should not install the kde meta package
[09:42] <Cugel> Why not?
[09:42] <FOAD> Yeah a little late for that now.
[09:42] <coreymon77> because normal kde
[09:42] <coreymon77> and kubuntu kde
[09:42] <coreymon77> are fundementally different
[09:42] <FOAD> Oh.
[09:42] <AxlRose> can anyone help me figure out why X is using so much CPU...20% is way too high
[09:42] <coreymon77> FOAD: and this fundemental difference is
[09:43] <coreymon77> there is no root
[09:43] <Cugel> Fundamentally different? You're the first one to say so, I believe.
[09:43] <coreymon77> ubuntu uses sudo
[09:43] <coreymon77> other distros dont
[09:43] <FOAD> I acknowledge your information.
[09:43] <FOAD> So what do I do to make it work?
[09:43] <coreymon77> k/ubuntu dont have an actual root account
[09:43] <blue> is there an easy way to switch from utf-8 to iso8859?
[09:44] <HymnToLife> coreymon77, why am I using it on _all_ my systems then ?
[09:44] <HymnToLife> sudo existed way before ubuntu
[09:44] <Heavenquake> coreymon77: wrong. Debian Etch also have sudo. So why shouldn't other systems have it, too?
[09:44] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: this is what i mean
[09:44] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: of course all of them have sudo
[09:44] <coreymon77> but
[09:44] <AxlRose> coreymon77 you are wrong...Ubuntu does have a root account
[09:44] <coreymon77> here is the difference
[09:44] <FOAD> Yes.
[09:44] <FOAD> I use it all the time.
[09:45] <AxlRose> you just got log into X with it
[09:45] <coreymon77> AxlRose: not really
[09:45] <AxlRose> *can't log into
[09:45] <coreymon77> exactly
[09:45] <coreymon77> just let me explaion
[09:45] <AxlRose> coremon77:  just because you can't use X does not mean it's not there
[09:45] <FOAD> Anyhow, how do I get to use kubuntu
[09:45] <FOAD> That's all I want to know.
[09:45] <Cugel> sudo aptitude install kde-core   -- and then reboot. But you knew that.
[09:45] <coreymon77> no
[09:45] <coreymon77> wrong
[09:46] <Cugel> corey: stop trolling or start making sense.
[09:46] <coreymon77> in most distros, in order to get into root from a terminal
[09:46] <Heavenquake> FOAD: you get the iso and burn it and boot it.
[09:46] <coreymon77> you type simple su
[09:46] <Heavenquake> coreymon77: you can do that in ubuntu too...
[09:46] <FOAD> I want to boot from my HD without re-installing everthing.
[09:46] <coreymon77> in k/ubuntu, the command is sudo -2
[09:46] <coreymon77> suudo -s *'
[09:47] <Heavenquake> coreymon77: you can use su too.
[09:47] <FOAD> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/13/ubuntu-to-kubuntu-keeping-the-menus-clean/ - is that guy a moron, for example?
[09:47] <AxlRose> you can su in kubuntu
[09:47] <coreymon77> okay
[09:47] <coreymon77> let me prove my point
[09:47] <AxlRose> i'm pretty sure it's not possible to have a unix system without root
[09:48] <Heavenquake> AxlRose: you're right. It isn't
[09:48] <coreymon77> AxlRose and Heavenquake, open up konsole
[09:48] <coreymon77> AxlRose: there technically is a root, but not really
[09:48] <FOAD> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9369 - or that one?
[09:48] <HymnToLife> coreymon77, they maybe know better than you so you'd better give up
[09:48] <AxlRose> coreymon77: :S
[09:48] <cathal_> does kbuntu 6.10 use D-BUS or DCOP?
[09:48] <coreymon77> let me prove my point
[09:48] <coreymon77> all of you
[09:48] <AxlRose> sure i'm in a console
[09:48] <coreymon77> open up konsole
[09:48] <Heavenquake> coreymon77: i just flip down yakuake if that's okay
[09:48] <HymnToLife> define "technically" anyway
[09:48] <AxlRose> and I typed SU
[09:49] <AxlRose> bam...I'm root
[09:49] <HymnToLife> there one or there is no
[09:49] <HymnToLife> fact is, there is one
[09:49] <HymnToLife> period
[09:49] <coreymon77> its asks you for a password right
[09:49] <coreymon77> try putting in your password
[09:49] <AxlRose> yea
[09:49] <Cugel> So what's the difference between su and sudo, again?
[09:49] <AxlRose> you have to enter the ROOT password
[09:49] <coreymon77> i know
[09:49] <AxlRose> not your password
[09:49] <HymnToLife> Cugel, su lets lou Switch User
[09:49] <coreymon77> try entering your root password
[09:49] <HymnToLife> sudo lets you run a command as another user
[09:49] <AxlRose> yes
[09:49] <coreymon77> see if it works
[09:49] <AxlRose> It does
[09:49] <Heavenquake> coreymon77:
[09:49] <Heavenquake> per@desktop:~/Desktop$ su
[09:49] <Heavenquake> Password:
[09:49] <Heavenquake> root@desktop:/home/per/Desktop#
[09:49] <toter> hi to you all... i'm having problems. i'm trying to install kde 4 "3.80.3" on my kubuntu edgy...
[09:49] <FOAD> How do I get Kubuntu to work, I don't care about the intricacies in re: su vs. sudo.
[09:50] <HymnToLife> FOAD, sadly, this channel does not revolve around tou
[09:50] <HymnToLife> you*
[09:50] <toter> i followed the instructions provided by this website: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[09:50] <coreymon77> look, try using sudo -s in any other distro
[09:50] <coreymon77> it does not exist
[09:51] <FOAD> Ohh that's right.
[09:51] <HymnToLife> of course it does
[09:51] <FOAD> Sadly, this channel isn't here to help people.
[09:51] <HymnToLife> I'm using it in Debian, Slackawre, Gentoo and FrerBSD
[09:51] <shakour> need help with kubuntu
[09:51] <HymnToLife> free*
[09:51] <FOAD> shakour: too bad, that's not what this channel is for.
[09:51] <Heavenquake> HymnToLife: nonetheless I think he's right in that the su vs sudo question belongs in #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:51] <Heavenquake> but hell -.-
[09:51] <shakour> can you direct me?
[09:51] <cathal_> FOAD: ur not helping things
[09:51] <AxlRose> FOAD:  sudo  apt-get installl kdesktop
[09:52] <Heavenquake> shakour: what is your problem?
[09:52] <FOAD> cathal_: and you are?
[09:52] <HymnToLife> maybe but I don't like the "I don't ccare about what you're taling about so help me NOW !" attitude
[09:52] <Heavenquake> AxlRose: isn't it kubuntu-desktop?
[09:52] <shakour> I want to install an Nvidia driver
[09:52] <cathal_> toter: im actually install kde4 myself at the moment, whats up?
[09:52] <FOAD> Maybe but I'm asking about A and spelling out the details and I get non-answers and questions about what I already spelled out.
[09:52] <AxlRose> Heavenquake:  I thought it was...but I opened adept and I can't find it anymore lol
[09:52] <FOAD> I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
[09:52] <toter> cathal_: thanks for replying
[09:52] <HymnToLife> !patience | FOAD
[09:53] <ubotu> FOAD: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:53] <FOAD> I did apt-get install kde.
[09:53] <AxlRose> FOAD: you don't have to do install kde...I know that
[09:53] <FOAD> I get an empty blue screen and a mouse cursos.
[09:53] <hans_> cool.... kubuntu within 30 minutes on my new MacBookPro
[09:53] <hans_> me likees
[09:53] <FOAD> cursor.
[09:53] <Heavenquake> AxlRose: as far as I am concerned, kdesktop is just the desktop. eg the one showing wallpaper and icons and stuff
[09:53] <FOAD> And nothing more.
[09:53] <shakour> it's asking me to exit x server though
[09:53] <Heavenquake> *as far as I know
[09:53] <AxlRose> FOAD:  kubunt desktop should have done it
[09:53] <toter> I tried to correct the problem by adding the following line on my /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:53] <FOAD> Axl: but it didn't.
[09:53] <AxlRose> Heavenquake: i think you are right
[09:53] <toter> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main"
[09:54] <FOAD> Axl: so what's next.
[09:54] <Heavenquake> FOAD: try logging out of your session, and choose KDE as your next session
[09:54] <coreymon77> if there wasnt a difference between the two, why would they tell you to install kde through the kubuntu-desktop package instead of just kde
[09:54] <FOAD> I rebooted, and did that.
[09:54] <AxlRose> FOAD:  have you checked the ubuntu forums...I'm almost positive the guide is on there...let me check
[09:54] <hans_> anywayy... off to the party
[09:54] <hans_> :rock:
[09:54] <toter> but it didn't work...
[09:54] <Heavenquake> coreymon77: because kubuntu-desktop contains much more Ubuntu-bugs.. uhmm... I mean features :D
[09:54] <Cugel> Axl: I did see a similar problem FOAD's having, in that case for XFCE. Unsolved, though.
[09:54] <FOAD> It didn't work.
[09:55] <AxlRose> FOAD:  I can't remember if you have to enter exec startkde in ur xinitrc file
[09:55] <toter> i got the following error by running "sudo apt-get update"
[09:55] <coreymon77> Heavenquake: no, kubuntu is just ubuntu kde on it
[09:55] <Heavenquake> FOAD: what exactly does "didn't work" mean?
[09:55] <Heavenquake> coreymon77: wrong. Kubuntu is just ubuntu with a buggy kde on it
[09:55] <toter> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[09:55] <FOAD> Heaven: again (4th time) all I get is the blue background and a mouse cursor.
[09:55] <FOAD> Can't click anything.
[09:55] <Heavenquake> FOAD: try reinstalling the package.
[09:56] <coreymon77> its different
[09:56] <HymnToLife> Heavenquake, and all the cheesy Kubuntu artworks :p
[09:56] <FOAD> Heaven: which package.
[09:57] <cathal_> toter: yea you need to add the key, i have been doing it differently so give me a minute to look
[09:57] <Heavenquake> HymnToLife: i count that as a bug ;)
[09:57] <HymnToLife> toter, youshould read the page more carefully...
[09:57] <Heavenquake> FOAD: sudo aptitude remove kde kubuntu-desktop . and then sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[09:58] <AxlRose> FOAD:  do you get the ubuntu login screen?
[09:58] <FOAD> Axl: yes
[09:58] <toter> HymnToLife, the line to be added on /etc/apt/sources.list provided by the kubuntu website is wrong
[09:58] <toter> it gives a 404 error
[09:58] <AxlRose> FOAD:  and when you click you want a kde session is freezes?
[09:58] <HymnToLife> toter, maybe you should report it to the website's staff then
[09:59] <FOAD> No.  I get a blue screen and a mouse cursor I can move around and nothing else.
[09:59] <coreymon77> toter: your problem is that you do not have the gpg key for the package
[09:59] <HymnToLife> FOAD, do you have Gnome installed and if so, does it work ?
[09:59] <Heavenquake> FOAD: did you try performing the actions I told you?
[09:59] <FOAD> No freeze, I can drop to a console and kill kdm and run gdm to get a working system, gnome.
[09:59] <toter> but... nobody is having this problem when trying to install kde 4 3.80.3?
[09:59] <FOAD> Gnome works.
[10:00] <FOAD> Heaven: working on it.
[10:00] <toter> i'm not an advanced user
[10:00] <AxlRose> FOAD:  hmm by blue screen sdo you mean like a blue wallpaper or a falt blue screen
[10:00] <tfault> How do I select the default sound-card for ALSA?
[10:00] <coreymon77> toter:  wrong, plenty of people, including me had this problem
[10:00] <FOAD> Wallpaper./
[10:00] <HymnToLife> toter, you added the line to your sources.list, now what's the problem ?
[10:00] <Heavenquake> AxlRose: hopefully he means a blue wallpaper and not a BSOD ;)
[10:00] <toter> i get the following error
[10:00] <toter> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[10:00] <AxlRose> Heavenquake:  for sure haha
[10:01] <coreymon77> exactly
[10:01] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: his sources.list is not the problem
[10:01] <HymnToLife> toter, run the wget and sudo apt-key commands as shown here : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php
[10:01] <coreymon77> listen to me
[10:01] <jeanclaude> may i get in your conversation
[10:01] <cathal_> toter: i was about to say your line is incorrect. Do u get the same error when u add the correct line deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ ./
[10:01] <coreymon77> do this
[10:01] <coreymon77> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[10:01] <FOAD> Heaven: ok.  didn't seem to change a lot.
[10:01] <coreymon77> in konsole
[10:01] <HymnToLife> cathal_, his line is correct
[10:02] <FOAD> But let's try.
[10:02] <jeanclaude> I am a new user
[10:02] <HymnToLife> the Kubuntu.org guys just forgot to add the instructionabvout the apt keuy on the page
[10:02] <jeanclaude> And i do not know how to do
[10:02] <coreymon77> toter: type this into konsole wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[10:02] <HymnToLife> coreymon77, already told him that
[10:02] <archangel_> switched 2 more peeps to the world of linux
[10:03] <AxlRose> jeanclause: go ahead i'm listening
[10:03] <AxlRose> jeanclaude: go ahead i'm listening
[10:03] <toter> cathal_: i'll try to run the line you provided... hold on...
[10:03] <jeanclaude> and worst ! I'm not realy good in english
[10:03] <jeanclaude> Thanks axlrose
[10:03] <BrettV> Which is the most user friendly distro of linux
[10:03] <AxlRose> jeanclaude:  what are you having problems with
[10:03] <BrettV> ?
[10:03] <neildarlow> archangel_: only two? how long will it take you to convert the rest? :)
[10:03] <jeanclaude> I try to connect my messagerie
[10:04] <archangel_> only a few at a time
[10:04] <toter> cathal_: i got the following error
[10:04] <cathal_> toter: maybe u shouldn't :-) id say follow what the lads are saying. Im compiling everything manualy so im doing it a different way
[10:04] <toter> Err http://kubuntu.org ./  I have never heard of that one
[10:04] <AxlRose> jeanclaude: Messenger? is that what you mean
[10:04] <BrettV> jeanclaude: i am in vegas
[10:05] <archangel_> mandriva is pretty cool I had that once, and Suse isnt bad, but they prefer businesses
[10:05] <BrettV> neildarlow: Besides the install
[10:05] <AxlRose> BrettV:  It used to be called Mandrake
[10:05] <BrettV> archangel_: what do you mean Suse prefers buisness?
[10:05] <neildarlow> BrettV: it's a nice distribution. good for newcomers
[10:05] <archangel_> yeah, thats when I had it
[10:05] <BrettV> AxlRose: oh they changed the name? I have heard of Mardrake
[10:05] <jeanclaude> Befor when i was with Thunderbird with Windows, it was easy
[10:05] <neildarlow> BrettV: and it's based on Ubuntu
[10:06] <jeanclaude> But now, with the experiment of Linus (Ubuntu) it seams more difficult
[10:06] <BrettV> So it is really similiar to Kubuntu?
[10:06] <AxlRose> BrettV:  yep...i've never personally used it...but it's well known as a beginners linux
[10:06] <FOAD> Heavenquake: thank you.
[10:06] <BrettV> AxlRose: I think i will try that one
[10:06] <archangel_> Suse was bought out by Novel (a networking co.) and their main target of business is corperations
[10:06] <AxlRose> FOAD:  You got it?
[10:06] <Heavenquake> FOAD: It did the job? :)
[10:06] <jsiris> jeanclaude: thunderbird is also available for linux.
[10:06] <FOAD> Yes.
[10:07] <Heavenquake> Great
[10:07] <jeanclaude> I suppose that this is the same cause it opens with Kubuntu
[10:07] <neildarlow> BrettV: SimplyMEPIS plays media, java applets etc. out of the box. it's very user oriented
[10:07] <archangel_> Suse is based out of Germany
[10:07] <FOAD> Everything looks all weird and stuff on monitor two is strange, but we gotta start somewhere.
[10:07] <jeanclaude> I know but i enter my identifiant and the number for connection but it doen'ty fonction
[10:07] <BrettV> cool thanks guys... i am going to format my computer a few times and try to learn something... i am going to try both Simply and Madriva
[10:07] <archangel_> SimplyMepis needs to work on their website some more
[10:08] <neildarlow> BrettV: try it. it comes as a liveCD that you can install to disk
[10:08] <AxlRose> BrettV:  goodluck
[10:08] <BrettV> neildarlow: oh wow thats all you had to say
[10:08] <BrettV> thanks
[10:08] <koli> hello people
[10:08] <archangel_> All the impression I get when I'm there is an old man trying to sell his book
[10:08] <koli> i cannot play mp3 in amarok
[10:08] <hal> hola hola
[10:08] <neildarlow> archangel_: i think the distribution has a higher priority than the website. limited manpower.
[10:09] <jsiris> jeanclaude: it *should* work just the same. no typo anywhere?
[10:09] <AxlRose> koli:  it shoud ask you to install codeccs
[10:09] <koli> when it tries to install mp3 support it does fetch and looks like installing something
[10:09] <jeanclaude> Ok Guy Iwill be back for more info. I have to quit
[10:09] <koli> in fact they dont get installed at all
[10:09] <jsiris> koli: already restarted amarok?
[10:09] <koli> yes
[10:09] <archangel_> yeah, it looks like it
[10:09] <pirothezero> !kernel | pirothezero
[10:10] <jsiris> koli: which backend uses amarok?
[10:10] <toter> HymnToLife: the website you provided with some gpg commands WORKED! thanks!
[10:10] <toter> I would never know
[10:10] <koli> what is the backend?
[10:10] <AxlRose> so who wants to help me figure out why X is using 20% CPU constatntly
[10:10] <jhutchins> jeanclaude: Would this be easier for you in #kubuntu-fr ?
[10:10] <jsiris> koli: the player engine
[10:10] <cathal_> xine
[10:10] <koli> xine
[10:10] <HymnToLife> toter, yeah, I'll tell the Kubuntu.org guys about that
[10:10] <jhutchins> AxlRose: beryl?
[10:10] <HymnToLife> they forgot to add it on the page
[10:10] <coreymon77> jhutchins: you are back!
[10:11] <jhutchins> Intermittently.
[10:11] <AxlRose> jhutchins:  nope
[10:11] <toter> i'll live on this channel from now on
[10:11] <toter> :)
[10:11] <jsiris> koli: in short: you can dl a xine version that supports mp3
[10:11] <jhutchins> AxlRose: Everything that happens in a GUI wondow cause X to use CPU.
[10:11] <koli> how?
[10:12] <AxlRose> jhutchins:  I don't know what happened...at idle my system would use like 5% cpu(superkaramba was usung that) but now the minimum CPU is like 20
[10:12] <coreymon77> jhutchins: okay, so, you said that our last resort was to uninstall and reinstall the alsa packages
[10:12] <archangel_> I didnt realize how hard it would be to get a good game installed
[10:12] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Yes.
[10:12] <jsiris> koli: you need to enable a repo that supports it.
[10:12] <coreymon77> okay
[10:12] <archangel_> with descent graphics
[10:12] <cathal_> koli: amarok-xine - search for it in Adept
[10:12] <coreymon77> this is major stuff
[10:12] <coreymon77> so
[10:12] <coreymon77> jhutchins: walk me through this
[10:12] <jhutchins> archangel_: Maybe because people expect to be paid for creating hours of incredible graphics?
[10:12] <AxlRose> jhutchins:  so something must have changed or something....because there is HDD activity every couple of seconds
[10:13] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Oy.
[10:13] <koli> cathal_ it is alredy installed
[10:13] <jsiris> cathal_: i think the xine version is the ubuntu-standart crippled one.
[10:13] <jhutchins> You realize I'm not even on a kubuntu machine here...
[10:13] <AxlRose> jhutchins:  and when the HDD  flashes there is lag on the screen, and in games and what not
[10:13] <jsiris> koli: can you pm me?
[10:13] <neildarlow> AxlRose: my system accesses disk very second even at idle
[10:13] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Let me grab my cheatsheet.
[10:13] <toter> i'll install kde4 now. buy guys! thanks!
[10:13] <archangel_> they should, to be honest
[10:14] <jhutchins> AxlRose: Sounds like you're swapping.
[10:14] <archangel_> I would happly pay for every 'good' game
[10:14] <koli> no jsiris
[10:14] <jhutchins> AxlRose: Then again, programs write to the log pretty regularly.
[10:14] <jsiris> koli: join #jsiris then
[10:14] <AxlRose> jhutchins:  you would thinkg that...but I'm using 0mb swap
[10:14] <coreymon77> jhutchins: pm
[10:14] <jermain> hi everyone
[10:15] <FOAD> Ok, now the resolution on my main screen is too high.  When I go to the Monitor & Display settings it tells me "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded".
[10:15] <FOAD> Help....
[10:15] <AxlRose> FOAD:  what are u using for a video card
[10:15] <ScarFreewill> is it possable to take drivers from one disto to another?
[10:16] <neildarlow> ScarFreewill: not safely :)
[10:16] <ScarFreewill> (non-property)
[10:16] <pirothezero> to upgrade my kernal for 2.6.17 to 2.6.19 or newer do I just download it off kernel.org?
[10:16] <FOAD> Some newish nvidia thing.
[10:16] <AxlRose> FOAD:  what drivers are u using for the nvidia
[10:16] <ScarFreewill> neildarlow: would you just like cp it?
[10:16] <neildarlow> ScarFreewill: i wouldn't do it. period.
[10:17] <AxlRose> FOAD:  are you using Nvidia drivers or kernel sources
[10:17] <hitmanWilly> pirothezero, heres a link for a how-to kernel compile http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[10:17] <FOAD> Axl: nvidia drivers.
[10:18] <pirothezero> ty hitmanWilly
[10:18] <ScarFreewill> neildarlow: would *someone you don't know just like cp it?
[10:18] <ScarFreewill> lol
[10:18] <AxlRose> FOAD:  hmm I'm not sure then
[10:18] <hitmanWilly> pirothezero, i used it for mine
[10:18] <ricmik> uh.. hi!
[10:18] <AxlRose> FOAD:  I use ATI...but I had that same problem as you when using kernel sources
[10:18] <ricmik> I'm using Kubuntu on a laptop.. how do I enable video-out? ;)
[10:18] <FOAD> Ah.
[10:18] <ricmik> I'm trying to connect a TV
[10:18] <AxlRose> FOAD:  look at you /etc/X11/xorg.conf for me
[10:19] <AxlRose> FOAD:  and tell me what driver it's using.....it should be either nvidia...but it might be nv
[10:19] <FOAD> Section "Device" Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] [0] " Driver          "nvidia"
[10:19] <FOAD> Axl: like that?
[10:20] <AxlRose> FOAD:  ya thats right
[10:20] <archangel_> hey folks, I am having a hard time using ktorrent
[10:21] <archangel_> can I just d/l 1 song and not the whole cd?
[10:21] <jsiris> ricmik: have you tried the control center --> connected devices (rough translation)
[10:21] <AxlRose> archangel:  ktorrent sucks haha
[10:21] <archangel_> lol I agree
[10:21] <jhutchins> archangel_: You can only download what other people upload.
[10:21] <Cugel> I agree about ktorrent -- it's really, really bad. And I did use the latest version.
[10:21] <jsiris> archangel_: i disagree. you can download single files
[10:21] <jhutchins> archangel_: You can't select a file within a torrent and download just that.
[10:21] <FOAD> So, I'm SOL is what you're saying?
[10:22] <FOAD> Or what?
[10:22] <AxlRose> FOAD:  i'm not sure...I'm not familair with Nvidia support
[10:22] <FOAD> Okay.
[10:22] <AxlRose> FOAD:  sorry
[10:22] <FOAD> Well, so much for KDE.
[10:22] <archangel_> I'm trying to find a 'limewire' like prog
[10:23] <jhutchins> Really not a KDE problem but an Xorg problem there with FOAD.
[10:23] <archangel_> oh wait, limewire is available as opensource
[10:23] <jhutchins> archangel_: We try not to get too far into P2P stuff here.
[10:23] <Cugel> xorg problem --- I'm not sure.
[10:24] <archangel_> wow, didnt know that
[10:24] <jhutchins> archangel_: If you do need help, at least PRETEND you're downloading legitimate stuff like linux CD's and such.
[10:24] <archangel_> sorry hutch
[10:24] <Toran> Hey guys, I have an iPod. When I plug it in, KDE automatically mounts it and puts an icon on my desktop, and amaroK also automatically accesses it. How can I keep it from automatically mounting? I don't want it to mount, I just want it to show up in amarok as being connected.
[10:24] <FOAD> Thanks for the help, but at least Gnome just works.
[10:24] <FOAD> And KDE just doesn't.
[10:24] <FOAD> Shame.
[10:25] <archangel_> if it doesnt mount I dont know if you will be able to write to it
[10:25] <jhutchins> FOAD: Same base install?
[10:26] <FOAD> jhutchins: what do you mean.
[10:26] <jhutchins> FOAD: Did you install kde-desktop on top of ubuntu, or did you do a fresh kubuntu install?
[10:26] <FOAD> The former.
[10:26] <archangel_> lol, has anyone read the IE7 reviews?
[10:26] <jhutchins> And you can choose Gnome from the boot manager, but not KDE?
[10:27] <jhutchins> Toran: Yeah, Amarok has to mount it to read/write it.
[10:27] <FOAD> jhutchins: thanks to Heavenquake I got to start KDE, but the resolution of my main monitor is all wrong and KDE refuses to give me the options to remedy this.
[10:27] <FOAD> Claiming I have to research modules or something arcane beyond me.
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[10:28] <HymnToLife> !ops
[10:28] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, or DBO
[10:28] <jhutchins> FOAD: Do you have krandrtray?
[10:29] <FOAD> I have no idea.
[10:29] <FOAD> [1]  ~% locate krandrtray                       [dok@dinah ttypts/4 22:23 24/02]
[10:29] <FOAD> /usr/share/applications/kde/krandrtray.desktop
[10:29] <FOAD> /usr/bin/krandrtray
[10:29] <jhutchins> FOAD: I think it's standard, you can launch it from Alt-F2, it might help.
[10:29] <FOAD> I guess yes.
[10:29] <jhutchins> xvidtune might help too.
[10:29] <Cugel> hutchins: thanks, didn't know about that little tool.
[10:29] <jhutchins> gtg, back in a while.
[10:30] <FOAD> Let me try it.
[10:31] <Cugel> He's getting angrier. Linux demands people to perservere!
[10:32] <tanakorn> Hello , i need Linux authencication gateway application, can anyone suggest me ?
[10:32] <Cugel> tanakom: what do you mean, something like the wallet?
[10:33] <raylu> I'm trying to install StepMania from source. I downloaded the binaries and they work, so I know I have the dependencies
[10:33] <raylu> but when I run ./configure, I get the following message:
[10:33] <raylu> configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.
[10:33] <Cugel> Install opengl first?
[10:33] <slow-motion> n8
[10:33] <raylu> But it is installed. I can even run CS1.6 with OpenGL
[10:33] <FOAD> Okay.
[10:34] <raylu> and Beryl (that's GL too, right?)
[10:34] <FOAD> I don't know what krandrtray is supposed to do, but it does precisely nothing.
[10:34] <SSJ_GZ> raylu: You need the opengl *development* packages.
[10:34] <SSJ_GZ> raylu: I'll see if I can find the package names.
[10:35] <raylu> libghc6-opengl-dev?
[10:35] <raylu> libgl1-mesa-dev?
[10:35] <SSJ_GZ> raylu: Sounds promising :)
[10:36] <raylu> oh crap. If this was the problem, I'm going to feel retarded.
[10:36] <raylu> I thought I already had that installed.
[10:37] <raylu> woo hoo. It got past that, now it needs a GLU library. I'll go find that
[10:38] <lucas_> Hell
[10:38] <lucas_> o
[10:38] <lucas_> ^^
[10:39] <lucas_> I have a question about the third developpment snapshot
[10:39] <Cugel> ...install the fourth!
[10:39] <lucas_> Cugel: ?? You mean I use the trunk ?
[10:40] <SlackRat> kubuntu forums still down? anyone know why?
[10:41] <lucas_> in fact I want to begin coding for kde4 and want to setup the kde 4 environement
[10:41] <lucas_> and I wonder if the kubuntu packages of kde 4 are enough
[10:43] <jsiris> lucas_: enough to do what?
[10:44] <lucas_> begin coding for any kde 4 app I downlaod the sources
[10:44] <raylu> whats with all the joining and leaving \=
[10:44] <raylu> So...many...packages...I...need...grrr...........
[10:44] <jsiris> lucas_: they sure will run a kde4 session but you might want to take a look here:
[10:45] <lucas_> jsiris: the trunk ?
[10:45] <jsiris> lucas_: the new developer wiki
[10:45] <lucas_> jsiris:  where ?
[10:45] <jsiris> lucas_: i forgot the url devnew.kde.org something like that
[10:45] <jsiris> looking for it
[10:46] <lucas_> thanks
[10:46] <jsiris> developernew.kde.org
[10:46] <lucas_> ok thank you
[10:47] <lucas_> seems to be what I need
[10:47] <lucas_> jsiris: thank you very much
[10:47] <jsiris> lucas_: np. ur welcome.
[10:47] <raylu> OH MY GOD
[10:48] <raylu> it configured!
[10:48] <Dr_willis> Call the papers!
[10:48] <Dr_willis> alert the president!
[10:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:49] <raylu> i'd like to, but it errors on make
[10:49] <raylu> would you like to see a pastebin of it?
[10:51] <raylu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7399/
[10:54] <ryanakca> hmm... how do I restore Kubuntu to it's default appearance?
[10:56] <jsiris> ryanakca: there s a default button in kcontrol..
[10:56] <jsiris> ryanakca: .. did you try that one?
[10:56] <bfdhud> Anyone know of a KDM theme manager for kubuntu?
[10:57] <jsiris> bfdhud: there used to be one on kde.apps
[10:58] <bfdhud> jsiris it was for 5.10 won't work.
[10:58] <jsiris> bfdhud: did u try to compile the source? --> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[10:59] <FOAD> So it's impossible to adjust the resolution.  Wonderful.
[10:59] <bfdhud> jsiris not sure how
[11:00] <AxlRose> anyone here using the FGLRX radeon drivers
[11:01] <jsiris> bfdhud: roughly: dl the source, extract, compile, install
[11:01] <jsiris> AxlRose: i am.
[11:01] <AxlRose> jsiris:  did you upgrade them recently?
[11:01] <jsiris> bfdhud: i can assist you through the process.
[11:01] <jsiris> AxlRose: yes. and it stopped working, is it that?
[11:01] <bfdhud> jsiris, thanks. I'm trying to d/l source now.
[11:02] <AxlRose> jsiris:  well it works...but Direct rendering doesn't
[11:03] <jsiris> AxlRose: that s what i call non functional for the closed driver. the open source driver does even a better job at the basic gl renderings..
[11:03] <AxlRose> AxlRose:  which are the open source...the ones that come with X or Kernel
[11:03] <jsiris> AxlRose: but seriously i thought it was just me messing it up somewhere, i just did a clean re-install and reconfig of xorg.
[11:04] <jsiris> AxlRose: still didnt do the check if it worked tho
[11:04] <AxlRose> jsiris: how do I downgrade the drivers
[11:04] <jsiris> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:05] <AxlRose> jsiris:  no...I want to still use FGL I just want the older version
[11:06] <jsiris> AxlRose: oh. i think if you installed stuff with the ati-script, you can overwrite with the ones that are in the universe somewhere
[11:07] <FOAD> My verdict: Kubuntu is worthless.  I'll try it again in a year or so.
[11:07] <Dr_willis> and we value your oponin sooooooooooo much
[11:08] <AxlRose> jisiris:  I think we are confusing eachother.....I installed the fglrx drivers from the universe....everything was working fine until I updated to the new version.....so now I just want the older version of fglrx back
[11:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:08] <jhutchins> Some people aren't ready for Linux.  They should stick to Windows.
[11:08] <pirothezero> so what areas other then flash, do you run into problems when you go with 64 bit?
[11:08] <Dr_willis> SOme people are not ready to leave the womb.... :)
[11:09] <Dr_willis> pirothezero,  java, wine, vmware, emulators.
[11:09] <Dr_willis> pirothezero,  some drivers
[11:09] <jsiris> AxlRose: did they update the drivers in the verse? idk. but i think *someotherpackage* (tm) screwed things up
[11:09] <jhutchins> I'm betting he used some gnomish tool to set his display up in ubuntu, and it didn't write the settings to xorg.conf or anywhere kde can access them.
[11:09] <cpk1> imo 64bit isnt really worth it
[11:09] <jhutchins> pirothezero: I was googling on that the other day, it seems that people have found work-arounds for most of the multimedia stuff.
[11:10] <AxlRose> jsiris:  yes they updated it...so I updated also and it did more harm then good
[11:10] <cpk1> you can just use a chroot for multimedia stuff
[11:10] <AxlRose> jsiris:  so i'm just trying to find out how to go downgrade one version
[11:10] <SlackRat> i want a womb with a view
[11:10] <SlackRat> i know that, because tyler knows that
[11:10] <jhutchins> AxlRose: I'm pretty sure you can specify a version number to apt.
[11:11] <jsiris> AxlRose: cannot help with that, sry i ll check if the drivers from atis page work
[11:11] <jsiris> bbl
[11:11] <AxlRose> hey
[11:11] <jhutchins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[11:11] <AxlRose> jsiris:  so which version of the drivers to u use
[11:11] <AxlRose> jsiris:  the ones that come with X or the kernel drivers
[11:11] <cpk1> AxlRose: also, to get it at that version so it doesnt try to upgrade it use aptitude hold or place I cant remember which
[11:11] <pirothezero> jhutchins: ya like youtube in mplayer apparently
[11:11] <pirothezero> java will be a problem though i sorta need that
[11:12] <pirothezero> w.e guess ill just stay at 32 then
[11:12] <jhutchins> pirothezero: That is the easy way to go.
[11:12] <jsiris> AxlRose: 8.33.6
[11:12] <jhutchins> pirothezero: But keep scanning the 'net, progress is being made.
[11:12] <cpk1> or if you do go 64 make a 32bit chroot enviroment
[11:12] <Sanne> pirothezero: this may help (also check the wiki about 64 bit): http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=134
[11:13] <jhutchins> pirothezero: A month or two ago nobody had the w32codec stuff working on 64b at all, now they've gotten around it with xine and mplayer.
[11:13] <AxlRose> jsiris:  I meant r u using fglrx(closed source)  radeon(kernel) or ati(x)
[11:13] <jsiris> AxlRose: they are from ati s page, i ll be back in a minute to see if they work. fglrx, the closed one, the broken one, the not well designed one..
[11:14] <AxlRose> jsiris: ok haha
[11:14] <jsiris> brb
[11:15] <pirothezero> cool stuff thx
[11:15] <sim55> hey how do i install window decorations?
[11:18] <kalagio> hallo
[11:18] <kalagio> does anybody knows how to enable the sound in a tv card ?
[11:18] <kalagio> help me plz
[11:19] <AxlRose> jsiris:  what did u find out
[11:20] <jsiris> AxlRose: working. surprisingly
[11:20] <kalagio> any help plz?
[11:20] <jsiris> kalagio: yes?
[11:20] <AxlRose> jsiris:  well you have  a newer version than me...and you got it from their website instead of apt-get universe?
[11:20] <sim55> hey what do i need to install in order to compile
[11:20] <KiPSeRoN> !kooldock
[11:20] <ubotu> kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 521 kB, installed size 964 kB
[11:20] <sim55> i cant do ./configure/make etc
[11:21] <kalagio> i would like to enable sound in a tv card
[11:21] <AxlRose> sim55:  there is a dev pack somehwere
[11:21] <kalagio> i have video but not sound
[11:21] <AxlRose> sim55: i don't remember the exact name
[11:21] <clau> kalagio: it should be enabled by default ;)
[11:21] <sim55> AxlRose: im trying to isntall window decs its so hard man
[11:21] <jsiris> sim55: sudo apt-get build-essential
[11:21] <ronniew> hey, propably a stupid question, but how do i edit my /etc/x11/xorg.conf file, i cant save it?
[11:21] <kalagio> sim55 no
[11:22] <raylu> ronniew, kdesu kate
[11:22] <clau> ronniew: only root can change that
[11:22] <kalagio> i cant hear nothing
[11:22] <clau> try sudo
[11:22] <jsiris> kalagio: i have no experience with tv cards.
[11:22] <raylu> ronniew, or use "kdesu kate" in the run dialog (alt+f2)
[11:22] <Adydas> ronniew: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:22] <clau> kalagio: maybe cable missing? is it an older card?
[11:22] <ronniew> cant login as root says root login not allowed
[11:22] <ronniew> i'll try that
[11:22] <sim55> kalagio: how do u install window decs
[11:22] <jsiris> ronniew: the root account is deactivated in (k)ubuntu.
[11:23] <raylu> I tried make on StepMania after configure finished and got this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7399/. Any help?
[11:23] <kalagio> sim 55i am a new user and i dont know what are you talking about
[11:23] <ronniew> i enabled it, still got: root login not allowed
[11:23] <sim55> kalagio:  window decorations for kde
[11:23] <kalagio> sim 55 if u can be more specific
[11:23] <ronniew> added root to my usergrp aswell
[11:24] <Adydas> use su
[11:24] <raylu> ronniew, you don't need to enable root. Use kdesu kate
[11:24] <jsiris> sim55: which deco?
[11:24] <ScarFreewill> whats the command to use apt to full update my pkgs
[11:25] <sim55> jsiris: any?
[11:25] <kalagio> clau on windows it works without cable
[11:25] <Adydas> sudo apt-get update
[11:25] <clau> sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:25] <Adydas> then
[11:25] <Adydas> sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:25] <jsiris> sim55: some need to be compiled, others are in the verse
[11:25] <ScarFreewill> thx
[11:25] <clau> kalagio: oh... which program do you use?
[11:25] <sim55> jsiris: how do i know which ones are in verse how can i chekc
[11:25] <jsiris> sudo adept_manager
[11:26] <kalagio> clau kdetv
[11:26] <sim55> i have adept
[11:26] <raylu> I tried make on StepMania after configure finished and got this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7399/. Any help?
[11:26] <clau> kal
[11:27] <jsiris> sim55: there are some kwin-styles
[11:27] <sim55> ok
[11:27] <jsiris> sim55: u can find more on kde-look ofc
[11:27] <clau> kalagio: have you tries to run it from the console? maybe you get some helpful error messages :)
[11:27] <Contrast> What's up, everyone?
[11:27] <jsiris> sim55: those need to be compiled, probably.
[11:27] <clau> I can't try it out because it crashes my whole system :)
[11:28] <Contrast> Have any users of the nVidia proprietary driver had problems when switching their display resolution?
[11:28] <kalagio> clau i think that something happens with alsa and oss
[11:28] <kalagio> claus when i open the program it is already set to mute
[11:28] <clau> have you tried other programs?
[11:29] <jsiris> try "aoss kdetv"
[11:29] <kalagio> clau yes but it is the only one i get signal
[11:29] <jsiris> kalagio: ^^
[11:30] <ronniew> brb,  got 2 sessions running :/
[11:30] <clau> and does the sound work with the other ones?
[11:30] <clau> because, from my experience: kdetv crashes, tvtime works just fine
[11:31] <Contrast> Are there any users of the nVidia proprietary driver in here?
[11:31] <kalagio> clau with the others i have neither sound  nor image
[11:31] <jsiris> kalagio: does aoss kdetv do anything for you?
[11:31] <kalagio> jsiris i am downloading it
[11:32] <kalagio> jsiris to tell you the truth i can not find it
[11:33] <jsiris> kalagio: looking it up..
[11:34] <kalagio> jsiris thanks
[11:34] <jsiris> kalagio: do you have libasound2 installed?
[11:34] <kalagio> jsiris no
[11:35] <kalagio> jsiris is it something close to alsamixer
[11:35] <kalagio> jsiris sorry but it is my first day wit linux
[11:35] <jsiris> kalagio: idk which package provides aoss. aoss works as a wrapper do allow different apps at the same time to access the sound device.
[11:36] <jsiris> kalagio: do you have anything running that can use the sound device?
[11:36] <kalagio> jsiris tell me one
[11:36] <jsiris> amarok
[11:36] <jsiris> xmms
[11:37] <jsiris> mplayer
[11:37] <jsiris> kaffeine
[11:37] <jsiris> kmplayer
[11:37] <jsiris> codeine
[11:37] <Contrast> kalagio: Did you already disable the KDE sound system in System Settings?
[11:37] <kalagio> jsiris i have amarol
[11:37] <kalagio> amarok
[11:37] <kalagio> contrast no
[11:38] <Contrast> I would try that first. I have to do that every time I run Audacity (an audio editing program).
[11:39] <kalagio> contrast how i can do it
[11:39] <KiPSeRoN> somone know how i can clear the ksmoothdock configertions that i choose
[11:39] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[11:39] <Contrast> I'm guessing you're getting an error along the lines of, "Could not initiate sound device" for whatever program you're trying to run?
[11:39] <Contrast> KiPSeRoN, did you already look in your home folder?
[11:39] <kalagio> contrast i can hear sounds and music
[11:39] <KiPSeRoN> what folder
[11:39] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[11:40] <kalagio> jsiris ?
[11:40] <KiPSeRoN> contrast
[11:40] <jsiris> kalagio:
[11:40] <KiPSeRoN> no have folder like ksmoothdock
[11:40] <KiPSeRoN> or somthing like this
[11:40] <jhutchins> jsiris: oss is obsolete, most systems use alsa now.
[11:40] <kalagio> jsiris can i do something with amarok?
[11:40] <jsiris> kalagio: play sound. does it?
[11:41] <Contrast> KiPSeRoN, you have "Show hidden folders" checked, right?
[11:41] <jsiris> jhutchins: which package provides aoss?
[11:41] <x_link> Hi.. just installed Kubuntu 6.10
[11:41] <x_link> How do I change my user name, I'm oe
[11:41] <x_link> oem.
[11:41] <jhutchins> jsiris: No Idea, but this will tell you how to find out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[11:41] <kalagio> jsiris i couldn't foind aoss
[11:41] <x_link> When I installed it then it told me to do oem-config-prepare
[11:41] <x_link> But it doesn't work
[11:41] <Contrast> kalagio, KMenu -> System Settings -> Sound System -> Enable the sound system.
[11:41] <jhutchins> jsiris: I think you shouldn't need aoss.
[11:42] <jsiris> jhutchins: i do.
[11:42] <KiPSeRoN> yes
[11:42] <Contrast> kalagio: Try unchecking that, hitting Apply, and then trying again to do whatever you're trying to do.
[11:43] <jsiris> kalagio: first things first. can you hear music when you try to play something with amarok?
[11:43] <Contrast> kiPSeRoN, try searching your home folder for *ksmoothdock*
[11:44] <KiPSeRoN> thanks i find
[11:44] <kalagio> jsiris yes i can
[11:44] <jhutchins> jsiris: apt-get install aoss then.
[11:44] <Contrast> Just because Amarok can play music files doesn't mean whatever program you're trying to use can get control of the sound system. I can play files fine in Amarok, but if I want to use Audacity, I have to shut down the KDE sound system.
[11:44] <x_link> hrmm ok
[11:44] <Contrast> kalagio, did you try what I said in the System Settings?
[11:44] <jhutchins> Contrast: Check to see what your settings are in amarok and audacity.
[11:44] <jsiris> kalagio: what exactly does kdetv say in console concerning the sound device?
[11:45] <jhutchins> Contrast: If you're not set to use alsa, try that.
[11:45] <kalagio> contrast it doesn't work
[11:45] <jhutchins> Contrast: That may make sound system sharing easier.
[11:45] <kalagio> contrast it says something about vl4..
[11:45] <jhutchins> v4l maybe?
[11:45] <kalagio> jsiris wait
[11:45] <Contrast> Thanks for the tip...
[11:46] <jhutchins> kalagio: What it says is probably significant and more useful in helping you than "it doesn't work".
[11:46] <jhutchins> !pastebin
[11:46] <clau> !paste
[11:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:46] <Contrast> On a completely unrelated note, are there any users of the nVidia proprietary drivers in here who have problems when changing their display resolution?
[11:46] <jhutchins> Contrast: Oh yeah.
[11:46] <kalagio> jhutchins i am sorry
[11:46] <jhutchins> Contrast: One guy just quit in disgust over it.
[11:46] <Contrast> Any workarounds?
[11:47] <Contrast> It drives me F***ING CRAZY. >=(
[11:47] <Contrast> Heh.
[11:47] <jhutchins> Contrast: I would say look on #xorg and google your video card, there are probably ways to get more modelines available.
[11:47] <Contrast> Well, the modelines are there. It's working perfectly fine at the moment...
[11:48] <jhutchins> Contrast: krandrtray?
[11:48] <jhutchins> !krandrtray
[11:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krandrtray - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:48] <jhutchins> !find krandrtray
[11:48] <ubotu> File krandrtray found in kcontrol, kde4base, kdebase-dbg
[11:48] <Contrast> But if I shutdown/reboot my computer, or otherwise restart the X server, it goes back to 1280x1024 (which looks terrible on the monitor I'm using (a widescreen television).
[11:48] <jhutchins> Ah, you need to set a DEFAULT res then.
[11:49] <jhutchins> Perhaps in xorg.conf, or using dpkg.
[11:49] <jhutchins> !fixres
[11:49] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:50] <Contrast> Had a look at xorg.conf, didn't see anything in there that explicitly tells X which resolution to use. It just lists all the possible resolutions.
[11:51] <Contrast> Whenever I change the resolution in System Settings (as root or otherwise), the system falls back to the open nvidia driver when I restart X.
[11:51] <om3ga> ok dumb ? how do i get into my ipconfigurations in terminal
[11:52] <Contrast> om3ga:, asking how to do something in the terminal is never a dumb question. Sorry I don't have the answer. :D
[11:52] <jhutchins> om3ga: sudo ifconfig, sudo vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-<device>
[11:52] <clau> om3ga: you have to be more specific :)
[11:52] <kalagio> jsiris after closing kde i cant have image
[11:52] <om3ga> ty
[11:53] <kalagio> jsiris i will tell when  i open the program
[11:53] <jsiris> kalagio: alt+f2 --> konsole
[11:53] <jsiris> kalagio: in there, type 'kdetv'
[11:54] <kalagio> jsiris and then
[11:54] <jsiris> kalagio: copy what it says to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:55] <jsiris> kalagio: then post the link :)
[11:55] <om3ga> ok well my prob was i was at a wifi hot spot and couldnt connect to the sever for some reason
[11:56] <kalagio> jsiris i have done it
[11:57] <clau> kalagio: then paste the link
[11:57] <jsiris> kalagio: yes, plz.
[11:57] <kalagio> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7404/
[11:58] <kalagio> i am sorry for being so tiring
[12:00] <Smorg> oh yes theres a kubuntu irc! :-D
[12:00] <kalagio> jsiris can you see it?
[12:01] <KiPSeRoN> !kxdocker
[12:01] <Smorg> I just installed kubuntu on vmware... see how i like it before i make the big reformat ^^
[12:01] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[12:01] <jsiris> kalagio: yes. i saw it. i look again, but the error messages are beyond my knowledge i fear.
[12:02] <clau> kalagio: it looks to me (not sure, of course) that maybe the card wasn't correctly detected
[12:03] <pjesi> were is the kde cpu adjuster I am used to in other humble distributions?
[12:03] <kalagio> clau how can i reinstall the card?
[12:04] <kalagio> clau do you know any links with instructions?
[12:04] <clau> which card do you have?
[12:04] <kalagio> clau aver tv go 007 plus
[12:05] <jsiris> kalagio: which version of kdetv r u running?
[12:06] <kalagio> clau i have followed the instuctions from some forums but i haven't got any progress
[12:06] <pjesi> guys, cpu frequently scaling?
[12:06] <pjesi> frequency even
[12:06] <pjesi> my laptop is always on full speed
[12:06] <kalagio> clau o.8.8-1
[12:06] <Contrast> pjesi, you already tried the power manager?
[12:07] <kalagio> jsiris 0.8.9-1
[12:07] <kalagio> jsiris sorry again i am a little bit  confused
[12:07] <jsiris> kalagio: that is the latest. unfortunately the website appears to be down
[12:07] <jsiris> kalagio: np.
[12:08] <pjesi> Contrast: actually I was looking for it but it in not in CS
[12:08] <Contrast> Is there not a battery icon in your system tray?
[12:08] <pjesi> Contrast: yes there is, but it has no useful actions
[12:08] <pjesi> only suspend and hibernate
[12:08] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:08] <hendaus> hi all
[12:10] <hendaus> how can i disable the  firewall kad on emule?
[12:10] <jsiris> kalagio: i googled for one of the error messages, though i dunno if they were the sound related relevant ones. the best thing i can do is to mention the mailing list.
[12:10] <cpk1> shouldnt rm -R *.db go through and remove anything that ends in .db in the parent dir and everything below it?
[12:11] <Contrast> pjesi:, there should be something there that you can click to bring up the power management settings. From there, you can select performance, dynamic, or umm... I forget the other option, individually for when your system is running on the battery and for when it's plugged in.
[12:11] <clau> kalagio: you should look at the boot messages to see if the card is properly recognized
[12:12] <kalagio> gow can i do this?
[12:12] <kalagio> how?
[12:12] <KiPSeRoN> !beryl
[12:12] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:12] <pjesi> Contrast: I found the power manager, it has the following configuations: when below 5mins do [suspond,hibernate,shutdown] , when laptop lid is closed to ...
[12:12] <pjesi> thats it
[12:12] <clau> try cat /var/log/dmesg | grep bttv
[12:12] <Contrast> Which release are you using?
[12:13] <clau> or cat /var/log/dmesg | grep v4l


[12:01] <juliux> hi
[12:02] <juliux> does somebody knows who has write access on http://theubucon.blogspot.com/ ?
[12:11] <elkbuntu> juliux, a fellow called johnmark who uses the nick porkrind
[12:11] <juliux> elkbuntu, thxs
[06:58] <beuno> anyone know if Canonical sends the conference packs from South Africa?


[00:40] <dmfrey> i got it, had to get a heapq.py and runpy.py from another user, then i fix the updates
[13:22] <kamikazeattacks> Hello !!! Is Mythbuntu good for watching TV online ? :)


[03:13] <DrKenobi> hi, I am learning to triage. I've found a bug for 9.10. In this case, you have to invalidate?
[03:17] <nigelbabu> DrKenobi: No, it is still a supported release.  Is the bug reproducible on 10.04?
[03:17] <DrKenobi> no, its ok now
[03:18] <nigelbabu> meaning its fixed now?
[03:19] <DrKenobi> i think so. It about a screensaver, that when is activated the mouse doesn't work. I activate that screesaver and when i move the mouse the unlock window appears. I think its fixed, am i wrong?
[03:21] <nigelbabu> In that case, you can mark it as fix released and say this bug has been fixed in the latest release
[03:22] <DrKenobi> thanks!
[03:22] <nigelbabu> No problem :)
[04:11] <DrKenobi> i found a bug report from 8.10, that obsolete? I have to change the satus to invalid?
[04:12] <ddecator> depends what package the bug is filed against. if it's something still in a supported release, it'd be helpful to see if it is still a problem in more recent releases
[04:12] <DrKenobi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/363809
[04:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 363809 in ubuntu "freshly installed system's update manager says "your system is up to date (heat: 2)" [Undecided,New]
[04:13] <DrKenobi> i think it's not a bug anymore... i think
[04:17] <ddecator> yah, i think it's fixed, i just launched update manager and it automatically found updates instead of me having to force it to. i think it's safe to mark that as either invalid or fix released since it doesn't appear to be a problem in lucid, then leave a note saying why you closed it and that someone can reopen it if it's still a problem in a supported release
[04:17] <DrKenobi> ok, than u
[04:18] <ddecator> no problem =)
[05:16] <DrKenobi> i am not very good with english, this is a joke? https://bugs.launchpad.net/werehaus/+bug/580306
[05:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 580306 in werehaus "Livingroom light is dim (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[05:33] <charlie-tca> This looks like spam, actually
[05:33] <charlie-tca> But it is not an ubuntu bug, so it is okay
[05:34] <charlie-tca> The package affected is 'Werehaus' which is not used by Ubuntu at all
[05:36] <charlie-tca> More information can be found by left-clicking the package under 'Affects', then click 'overview'. It will explain about the package.
[06:21] <ddecator> that's an...interesting experiment
[06:23] <nigelbabu> charlie-tca: its not in the ubuntu project anyway
[06:24] <ddecator> nigelbabu: right
[06:24] <charlie-tca> nigelbabu: yeah, I know.
[06:24] <charlie-tca> I even said that above
[06:25] <charlie-tca> ddecator: I thought so too
[06:25] <nigelbabu> oh yeah, I didn't see that
[06:25] <charlie-tca> no problem
[06:25] <charlie-tca> I miss half of what is there, too
[06:25] <nigelbabu> haha, the description of the project "This is an experiment to see if Launchpad can effectively be used a an issue tracking system for a shared living space."
[06:26] <ddecator> nigelbabu: exactly, haha
[06:27] <nigelbabu> ddecator: it sounds like a fun experiment
[06:28] <ddecator> nigelbabu: potentially, although i'm not sure why they would use bug reports to keep track of to-do items, haha, i guess so they can assign eachother and mark when they took care of it?
[06:28] <charlie-tca> That's what it looks like
[06:28] <nigelbabu> yeah, actually what they want it an rt
[07:26] <anoteng> Anybody know how to make a source package from a kernel git checkout? I'm bisecting a bug, an compiling on my ancient computer takes forever...
[08:29] <bullgard_> Chatzilla 0.9.85 crashes about once a day even if I do not touch keyboard or touchpad. It makes seamonkey to crash as well. So far I did not manage to fetch an error message. Is it a good idea to investigate further using '~$ strace -e trace=open seamonkey'?
[09:13] <thekorn> bullgard_, hallo, did you report a bug about this issue?
[09:14] <thekorn> ok, you did ;)
[09:15] <thekorn> bug 577384
[09:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 577384 in seamonkey (Ubuntu) "Seamonkey and Chatzilla crashed without any user interaction (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/577384
[09:18] <thekorn> bullgard_, I thin it's a good idea to check ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.xsession-errors.old after a crash for any hints related to seamonkey, chatzilla, or any other mozilla based applications
[09:40] <bullgard_> thekorn: Right, thank you very much for your advice. --  And my suggestion '~$ strace -e trace=open seamonkey' is rather unsuitable for this purpose?
[10:06] <thekorn> bullgard_, I'm not sure, but by looking at this two files you can easily verify if your bug is a duplicate of the one you mentioned in your bugreport,
[10:06] <thekorn> and this is a good step to start with
[10:32] <bullgard_> thekorn: I will do so. --  Thank you very much.
[14:37] <cwillu_at_work> hmm, changing a color in appearance | theme | customize has broken radiance;  most of my open programs now show ugly default gtk widgets, even if I change the theme
[15:02] <malev_> Hi! how to make an upstream? I report the bug 579784 and then I reported it in google code. I have the link, but can't remember what to do next
[15:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 579784 in rst2pdf (Ubuntu) "If u try to convert a non existing file, it returns an exception (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579784
[15:04] <kklimonda> malev_: click also affects project
[15:05] <malev_> kklimonda, hi! but there it asks me for a launchpad link, I mean, it's giving me an error
[15:06] <malev_> when I paste there this link: http://code.google.com/p/rst2pdf/issues/detail?id=317
[15:06] <kklimonda> malev_: right, so you can't link to projects that aren't registered on launchpad
[15:07] <malev_> and in that case, what should I do? mark it as triage and that it?
[15:08] <kklimonda> I'd do that, yes
[15:10] <malev_> and.. are U a member of bug-control? because I don't have the rights to do that :)
[15:12] <kklimonda> mhm, I've done it
[22:12] <duanedesign> bug 576201
[22:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 576201 in stipple "It shows a list of packages to sync without checking first if they are installed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/576201
[22:38] <malev__> 574377
[22:38] <malev__> bug 574377
[22:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 574377 in stipple "crashes if 'package' DB already exists (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574377
[23:02] <charlie-tca> nigelbabu: I can not get that thing to work for me. people.ubuntu.com will not accept the file. It would not accept my files 5 years ago, either
[23:02]  * charlie-tca discovered after hours of trying
[23:07] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: maybe it has a wrong ssh key imported for you?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> don't know, plenty of frustration to go around, though
[23:09] <kklimonda> have you tried contacting administrators?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> you are right, I think. that key has to match my own system, right?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Installing fresh several times per release, the key has changed about ??? times now
[23:10]  * charlie-tca is too tired today
[23:10] <kklimonda> yes, it's essentially the sftp with key authorization - I think they are imported from launchpad
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I don't have that key on my computer anymore


[00:00] <jose> can't find any flights :P
[00:00] <ahoneybun> so most likely 1600 for the bus, food, and room
[00:00]  * ahoneybun just saw that he would be going to Austria
[00:01] <jose> ahoneybun: now that I checked, I'll be attending a conference 3h from your location
[00:01] <ahoneybun> jose: in Fl?
[00:02] <jose> ahoneybun: yep, fossetcon.org
[00:02] <jose> kinda-same dates at akademy
[00:02] <ahoneybun> orlando?
[00:02] <jose> yes
[00:03]  * ahoneybun really wants to go
[00:03]  * jose has already got his ticket
[00:03] <valorie> I've not heard of that one, jose
[00:03] <valorie> sounds cool
[00:04] <jose> valorie: me neither until this year, they magically invited me
[00:04] <valorie> nice!
[00:04] <valorie> oops, dinner time
[00:04] <jose> enjoy!
[00:05] <ahoneybun> jose: I have heard of it before
[00:05] <ahoneybun> heck I'll stay at the cheapest place if I can go
[00:24] <jose> ahoneybun: maybe we can share a room if that's possible?
[00:25] <ahoneybun> jose: I have no problem with that at all
[00:26] <jose> let me know what you decide and I'll see if I can talk for room-sharing
[00:29] <ahoneybun> I want to go, just wonder if the funds would cover the passport
[00:29] <jose> not sure about that
[00:30] <ahoneybun> yea
[08:21] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1324805] Unable to launch Gnome from KDM in 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1324805 (by Marcus Karlsson)
[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:20] <Riddell> "Fathi Boudra (fboudra) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team" yay fabo still loves us!
[09:27] <shadeslayer> hello
[09:27] <shadeslayer> bon dia :D
[09:32] <Riddell> oh molt be shadeslayer
[09:32] <Riddell> com estas?
[09:33] <yofel> so, scarlett passed with +6 \o/
[09:33] <yofel> who wants to do the paperwork?
[09:33] <Riddell> add her to team, e-mail list and sabdfl?
[09:34] <Riddell> "Scarlett Clark (scarlett-7) has been added as a member of this team."
[09:34] <yofel> pretty much IIRC
[09:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bueno, y tu?
[09:35] <Riddell> em sap greu, no parlo catala
[09:38] <Riddell> mare meva!!
[09:40] <Riddell> what should I do today? merges or plasma next packaging?
[09:40] <Riddell> I'm mostly wanting to do plasma next because I see fedora have an iso out and I'm jelous
[10:12] <shadeslayer> we have an ISO too
[10:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: true
[10:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:33] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1322968] Changing country leads to invalid locale @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322968 (by Dimitris Kardarakos)
[10:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you backport milou? or should I request it?
[10:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh forgot about that, go ahead
[10:45] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://open.spotify.com/track/0hzih5wPuGN8tCIZ16puJx
[10:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: now there's a tune that deserved a good bass speaker
[10:47] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:13]  * BluesKaj breaks out the subwoofer test signals
[12:42] <shadeslayer> debfx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1324911
[12:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw I'm keeping our own symbol files
[12:51] <shadeslayer> when merging packages
[12:53] <Riddell> yeah that makes sense
[12:59] <shadeslayer> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-baloo/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/1/console
[12:59] <shadeslayer> much fun
[12:59] <Riddell> 404?
[13:00] <Riddell> why is it red? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-baloo/
[13:00] <Riddell> is this a good red? maybe red is good https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-kde4libs/
[13:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: debhelper is missing a depends on dh-acc
[13:05] <shadeslayer> in Debian/Ubuntu
[13:06] <Riddell> presumably it's optional
[13:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Why would debhelper require it?
[13:06] <Riddell> does it not need to be added to build-depends?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: <maxy> shadeslayer: Looks like dh-acc is missing a dependency of debhelper in ubuntu
 And in Debian
[13:06] <ScottK> Debhelper doesn't directly depend on the optional bits, you have to do it yourself.
[14:40] <shadeslayer> ufff
[14:40] <shadeslayer> merging packages will take forever
[14:40] <shadeslayer> 139 more to go
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: VCS entries for baloo look wrong
[15:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh I should change them to our ones I guess
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[15:39] <shadeslayer> pretty sure I missed a couple too
[15:40] <shadeslayer> need to review on monday
[15:57] <shadeslayer> debfx: haha, neat snowman :D
[15:58] <debfx> shadeslayer: shamelessly copy'n'pasted from http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ :)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[15:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there much reason not to switch to 4.13.1 as we merge into debian since debian now has 4.13.1?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> no, infact, I am using the 4.13.1 changelog entries where applicable
[16:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: right but are you using the 4.13.1 tars?
[16:01] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:01] <Riddell> ok cool, I'll do that then
[16:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why the makeshlibs override in http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kdepimlibs.diff ?
[16:09] <Riddell> (at bottom)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> should be dropped, unless it comes from debian
[16:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdepim looks fine but you drop the 4:4.13.1-1 changelog from debian, any reason?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: must be a mistake
[16:18] <Riddell> maybe you merged from an older version in debian
[16:18] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[16:18] <shadeslayer> maybe
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll fix those and upload
[16:18] <shadeslayer> awesome!
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thx for taking care of uploads
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might be useful to upload kdelibs 4.13.1 as well, but block it in proposed
[16:19] <shadeslayer> so that everything that depends on it is blocked
[16:20] <shadeslayer> then once we upload all of 4.13.1, unblock kdelibs
[16:20] <ScottK> SInce kdelibs is binary compatible, it shouldn't need blocking.
[16:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:21] <shadeslayer> then I guess we can keep uploading stuff
[16:29] <Riddell> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[16:29] <Riddell> don't forget about that shadeslayer
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep, I've missed some of those
[16:29] <shadeslayer> as mentioned before :)
[16:29] <shadeslayer> ( realized that yesterday evening )
[16:30] <shadeslayer> it's raining here -.-
[16:31] <ScottK> Rain affects memory?
[16:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: move to edinburgh, it's gorgeous sun here!
[16:31] <yofel> it causes disturbing sound waves
[16:31] <shadeslayer> psht
[16:32]  * yofel sends some more clouds to shadeslayer
[16:32] <shadeslayer> nooo
[16:32] <shadeslayer> y u destroy Barcelona
[16:32] <shadeslayer> it used to be sunny here, till d_ed moved here
[16:33] <yofel> lol
[16:33] <yofel> he can't live without the weather he's used to :P
[16:33] <Riddell> don't worry, I'll bring back the sun
[16:34] <Riddell> although this might affect my ryanair luggage allowance
[16:34] <shadeslayer> I highly doubt it
[16:38] <d_ed> why am I blamed for everything?
[16:40] <Riddell> I wonder why debian don't have watch files
[16:40] <Riddell> d_ed: because you voted for UKIP!
[16:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Mostly because they consider it superfluous for KDE SC.  No one will fail to notice a release happened.
[16:48] <Riddell> makes bzr-buildpackage less likely to work
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is alex still around? seems debian just added a patch to solid to kde4libs
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdepim goes boom! https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176625151/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.kdepim_4%3A4.13.1-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:51] <yofel> ah right, 2 missing libs
[16:52] <yofel> another one for .2 IIRC
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/115138410189586016392/posts/QwJ8YejWWw4
[16:54] <yofel> heh
[16:54] <Riddell> something is growing!
[16:54] <shadeslayer> looks worse in real life
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ah yes :P
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we did have usr/lib/libgrammar.so before
[16:57] <shadeslayer> !find usr/lib/libgrammar.so utopic
[16:57] <yofel> as I said, it's gone in .1
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:57] <yofel> same for another lib
[16:58] <shadeslayer> mmm, missing kgapi too
[16:58] <shadeslayer> what fun ^_^
[16:58] <yofel> kgapi isn't supposed to be missing...
[16:59] <yofel> libpimactivity is
[16:59] <shadeslayer> -- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found:
[16:59] <shadeslayer>  * LibKGAPI2 (required version >= 2.1.0) , KDE-based library for accessing various Google services , <https://projects.kde.org/libkgapi>
[16:59] <shadeslayer>    LibKGAPI is required to build Google Drive Storage Service
[16:59] <yofel> fun
[17:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's not fun, this is http://imgur.com/PMsKOUm
[17:09] <yofel> ^^
[17:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how come you've not been uploading?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no reason, just thought I'd get to it at the end
[17:14] <shadeslayer> been locally building things
[17:20]  * shadeslayer loves kompare
[17:27] <Riddell> je4d's baby as I remember
[17:31] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm done for the day, see you on Monday :)
[17:31] <Riddell> have a sunny weekend
[17:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cervisia is WIP?
[17:42] <Riddell>   * Merge with debian, remaining changes
[17:42] <Riddell>     - Disable tests
[17:42] <Riddell> yofel: around? any idea why libkipi would have that?
[17:43] <yofel> looking
[17:44] <yofel> not really, esp. as I'm not convinced that'll even work
[17:45] <Riddell> seems he removed kxmlkipicmd too
[17:45] <yofel> ah, libkipi actually has a check whether tests are built so that would work fine
[17:46] <Riddell> still no reason for us to disable it if debian don't
[17:46]  * Riddell adds back
[17:47] <yofel> I'm wondering about that. libkipi might actually work without adt stuff
[17:47] <Riddell> adt stuff?
[17:47] <yofel> autopackagetest
[18:10] <keithzg_> Where does the d come from? heh
[18:50] <Riddell> hi sgclark
[18:51] <sgclark> Riddell: hello :)
[18:52] <Riddell> internet better?
[18:52] <sgclark> yeah, my husband got a nasty virus, darn windows users
[18:57] <santa_> Riddell, sgclark: hi, I have some partial unmature work for plasma-desktop and plasma-workspace, I'm going to push it to a personal bzr branch in a few minutes
[18:57] <santa_> it's too chessy yet, but it's a beginning
[18:57] <sgclark> I have already been working on it
[18:58] <santa_> sgclark: on both? would you mind to publish your work so I could check if I have here something worth sharing?
[18:59] <sgclark> I will when it is ready, i am behind today due to a slight network issue
[19:06] <Riddell> sgclark: well you know the solution to his problems
[19:34] <ahoneybun> Is there a reason muon manager is not installed?
[19:35] <ahoneybun> muon package manager?
[19:36] <yofel> redundant
[19:36] <ahoneybun> yofel: but muon discover limits the searching
[19:38] <yofel> ahoneybun: it covers most use cases, and for the rest you can either install muon or use ap
[19:38] <yofel> t
[19:41] <ahoneybun> I see
[19:59] <ahoneybun> sgclark: congs!
[20:00] <sgclark> congs?
[20:02] <sgclark> oh thanks :)
[20:20] <ahoneybun> sgclark: welcome to the group!
[20:20] <ahoneybun> yofel: mind if I try to package again?
[20:20] <sgclark> ahoneybun: thanks :)
[20:23] <yofel> ahoneybun: always. I'm a bit busy with life recently but I'm sure Riddell or sgclark can point you to something
[20:23] <ahoneybun> yofel: sweet thanks
[20:24] <ahoneybun> sgclark: the dev stuff is in build-essenstail or something like that
[20:24] <sgclark> ahoneybun: not a good day today, very behind due to some network issues.
[20:24] <ahoneybun> sgclark: np just wanted to know so I have the packages installed for when it is a good day
[20:26] <sgclark> ahoneybun: right and you are going to want to set up a chroot, here is a good guide that worked for me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[20:28] <ahoneybun> sgclark: thanks
[20:35] <Noskcaj> What does kde need before upower 0.99 can be uploaded to ubuntu?
[20:36] <Noskcaj> Gnome needs the new upower sometime this cycle
[20:45] <santa_> Riddell: so the next kf5 libraries release is june 1? may I help with packaging?
[20:47] <Blizzz> did someone else has had trouble installing ejabberd on 14.04? upon installtion (purged and installed couple times meanwhile)  the service fails to start, ejabberctl always ends with "Failed RPC connection to the node ejabberd@HOST: nodedown"
[20:47] <Blizzz> sry, wrong chan
[21:05] <Riddell> santa_: sure although date is more like whenever dfaure has time
[23:34] <valorie> weeeeee, I got funding!
[23:36] <emma> hi
[23:36] <emma> does Kubuntu 12.04 have any packages for qt5 ?
[23:37] <emma> some software I want to compile tells me I need this stuff: apt-get install qt5-default qt5-qmake qtbase5-dev-tools qttools5-dev-tools \ build-essential libboost-dev libboost-system-dev \ libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-thread-dev \ libssl-dev libdb++-dev
[23:37] <emma> but apt-get doesn't see any qt5-default etc
[23:41] <valorie> !info qt5-default
[23:42] <emma> Is there a way to get qt5 in Kubuntu 12.04 ?
[23:42] <valorie> oh, what's the code name for 12.04?
[23:42] <valorie> so long ago.....
[23:42] <emma> im not sure, how can i tell?
[23:42] <emma> is there a way to update to the new version of Kubuntu?
[23:42] <valorie> is it precise?
[23:42] <valorie> of course
[23:42] <emma> Yes it is precise
[23:42] <emma> Is it possible to update from Precise to the latest?
[23:43] <valorie> !info qt5-default precise
[23:43] <valorie> there you go
[23:43] <emma> that's not good
[23:43] <valorie> yes, LTS > LTS is always possible
[23:43] <emma> is the current an LTS?
[23:43] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS
[23:43] <valorie> yes
[23:43] <emma> okay
[23:43] <emma> should I make backups before doing the upgrade?
[23:43] <valorie> are you developing?
[23:43] <emma> I don't want to do a whole install
[23:43] <valorie> naturally, always back up
[23:44] <emma> valorie: not exactly.
[23:44] <valorie> ok
[23:44] <emma> just trying to compile so github
[23:44] <emma> something from *
[23:45] <valorie> 12.04 is two years old, so qt5 was not even done back then afaik
[23:56] <DalekSec> 14.04 becomes an upgrade option to Precise users at the first point release, so August.
[23:58] <ScottK> DalekSec: For general consumption that's true. People can upgrade now if they want.


[00:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[00:52] <sarnold> morning lotuspsychje
[00:52] <lotuspsychje> hey sarnold all good mate?
[00:54] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: yeah, back home again, trying to re-adjust to my Usual Timezone.. it's harder this time than usual, I was up at 2am today too :) hehe
[00:54] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: jetlags?
[00:54] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: yup...
[00:54] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: how about you?
[00:55] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: we went early sleep, when i have my 6-7h im naturally awake
[00:55] <sarnold> the plus side, I started work so early today that I'm done working more or less as soon as I reach a good stopping point in mutt.. heh
[00:56] <lotuspsychje> neat
[00:57] <sarnold> yeah! there's still light outsidew and everything :)
[00:59] <lotuspsychje> morning handsome_feng
[01:02] <handsome_feng> lotuspsychje, morning :)
[08:25] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:08] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:12] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!! Hello!
[12:13] <BluesKaj> hey marcoagpinto
[12:23] <handsome_feng> hi, marcoagpinto BluesKaj
[12:23] <marcoagpinto> hey hey
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hi handsome_feng
[12:35] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto!!!!
[12:35] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE!
[12:35] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[12:36] <EoflaOE> How are you?
[12:36] <marcoagpinto> Fine, and you?
[12:36] <marcoagpinto> :p
[12:36] <EoflaOE> Fine.
[12:41] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I started the next version development yesterday. How was your project?
[12:47] <marcoagpinto> cool
[12:47] <marcoagpinto> I have released an update for PTG yesterday and updated the GB speller today
[12:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:47] <marcoagpinto> two days with updates
[12:47] <marcoagpinto> or was PTG two days ago? I can't remember
[12:48] <EoflaOE> Nice. I am having lunch, so I will come back after I finish.
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> oki
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> enjoy
[13:08] <EoflaOE> I am back marcoagpinto
[13:08] <marcoagpinto> welcome back, EoflaOE!
[13:08] <EoflaOE> Thanks.
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> EoflaOE: Typically, software recommendations are encouraged to go to OffTopic, not Discuss
[15:12] <EoflaOE> pragmaticenigma: So, I am sorry. Thanks for the info.
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> EoflaOE: It's okay, my justification has been it often elicits pationate discussion that isn't really about Ubuntu, but others personal preferences about a particular piece of software
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> s/pationate/passionate/ ??
[15:18] <EoflaOE> pragmaticenigma: OK.


[07:19] <Noskcaj> Just so you guys are aware of it, Testdrive doesn't support edubuntu anymore due to issues with the install size. If someone is willing to help fix this (on the testdrive end), let me know and i'll help you get started
[07:25] <highvoltage> Ho<tab>