[00:39] <KGB-0> gnome-font-viewer Janitor 312463 * commented merge request !2 * https://deb.li/3qjEx
[05:35] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:00] <duflu> Hi seb128
[06:20] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:22] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:38] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:51] <seb128> hey duflu, oSoMoN, how are you?
[06:55] <duflu> seb128, going OK though now I've just figured out there's a spider in the vent above my head. Wonder if I can stay calm till EOD and solve it then. How are you?
[06:56] <seb128> I'm not feeling great today, I think I got a stomach bug from the kids, let's see how the day is going
[06:57] <duflu> :(
[07:04] <lissyx> oSoMoN, thanks, also for the bugzilla portal answer, I guess I can start fixing that point
[07:05] <lissyx> oSoMoN, one thing I was wondering is how you want to handle bugs that are 100% packaging / snap, like the one about system-package-doc
[07:07] <lissyx> next thing I'll have to  tacke is building a snap using my local git cinnabar tree ...
[07:07] <didrocks> good morning
[07:07] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[07:09] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va, et toi ?
[07:16] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:19] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:26] <seb128> didrocks, bof, je crois que j'ai une gastro, me suis réveillé avec un mal de ventre et ça ne s'améliore pas
[07:28] <didrocks> argh, bon courage !
[07:40] <seb128> 'ci
[08:17] <oSoMoN> seb128, repose-toi, c’est ce qu’il y a de mieux à faire dans ces cas-là
[08:18] <oSoMoN> lissyx, I don't think there's a generic answer to snap-specific bugs that cannot be fixed in firefox itself, in the case of the system-packages-doc one, I'd say the conversation needs to continue with the snapd team, hence the suggestion to open a PR
[08:18] <oSoMoN> (against snapd)
[08:35] <lissyx> oSoMoN, an issue you mean I guess ?
[08:36] <oSoMoN> lissyx, I think a PR that adds the required path to the existing interface is likely to get more immediate feedback from the snapd team than an issue, but a post on the snapcraft forum or a bug on launchpad (against the snapd project) would also work
[08:37] <lissyx> I always feel a PR too intrusive, from the maintainer perspective, that's why I was asking
[08:53] <lissyx> oSoMoN, besides a full rebuild from your firefox-snap/snapcraft.yml, there is no quick way to test some change?
[09:05] <lissyx> (replacing the hg clone with a git clone from my local repo seems to do the trick :) )
[13:01] <lissyx> oSoMoN, now my telemetry is fixed, it looks like there was a few buidid mismatch reports on snap package
[13:01] <lissyx> 20th-21st of may as well as 28
[16:40] <lissyx> oSoMoN, I'm starting to have something working for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772063
[16:42] <lissyx> oSoMoN, I guessy you can apply it on your stable/beta builds ?
[17:16] <lissyx> oSoMoN, ready for you review, it works well for me https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D148782
[17:30] <oSoMoN> lissyx, excellent, I'll have a look later tonight, thanks
[18:11] <lissyx> oSoMoN, I have some fix pending, emilio already did some review, I'm rebuilding the package and verifying, and I'll finish the PortalKind requested changes tomorrow morning
[18:15] <oSoMoN> great!
[18:19] <lissyx> looks like it's working locally
[18:19] <lissyx> I guess it's  a good time to sign off :)


[00:30] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: perhaps write the kde-www list? the maintainence is by both that team and the sysadmins
[00:41] <sgclark> They did, and the response was little at best lol
[00:42] <valorie> well, afaik the team is at a low point right now
[00:42] <valorie> they have done very good work in the past so it's sort of maintainence-only right now
[00:43] <valorie> we are getting new blood here in kubuntu, but right now I'm not seeing that happen in KDE
[00:44] <valorie> it might be happening, but not where i can see it
[00:44] <sgclark> yeah. think they are busy with the conversion to frameworks as well
[00:45] <sgclark> qt5
[00:46] <valorie> yes, the devels are
[00:46] <valorie> web folks not so much
[00:46] <sgclark> Anyway, I recently moved so I am getting setup again. I got my KDE environment setup. But I am having a hard time getting Kuuntu set up for development. My kubuntu machine is my social box and I do not want to mess it up :) so setting up a vm
[00:46] <valorie> from my POV it seems like KDE might have overextended a bit with GSoC and GCi
[00:46] <sgclark> yeah, web side, not sure what is going on, been quiet
[00:47] <valorie> but on the other hand, many of those students end up developing
[00:47] <valorie> it hurts to burn people out, though
[00:47]  * valorie looks at apachelogger meaningfully
[00:48] <ahoneybun> hey sgclark and valorie
[00:48] <sgclark> hellos
[00:48] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[00:49] <sgclark> I personally have alot of spare time as I look for work, but when I get employment burnout could certainly be an isssue lol
[00:49] <sgclark> should I email the list for development setup insight?
[00:51] <valorie> devel setup insight?
[00:51] <valorie> oops, dinner......
[00:54] <sgclark> yeah, I tried to compile kde from master with no luck, tried project-neon and that did not work. Think I may just start over.
[01:07] <sgclark> okies off to a meeting, be back later!
[01:24] <manchicken> Question: I've made it so that libqapt take arbitrary sources.list files, I'm wondering if I should also make it take directories. That way we could further decouple the hard-coded locations.
[01:25] <manchicken> I suppose I don't really need to go that far to do my tests, all I need to do is take multiple files.
[01:27] <manchicken> I've gotta test loading multiple files and all of that fun stuff...
[01:28] <manchicken> So far I've finished the test for loading a single file. I'm covering deb, deb-src, commented out lines (including manual comments with multiple leading comment characters), arch's (one and many), components (one and many), only commented lines, and blank lines.
[01:29] <manchicken> Now I'm going to test loading lines across two different files, making sure I can retrieve each file's entries independently, and that I can also retrieve them in aggregate.
[02:04] <ScottK> mamarley: It'd make sense to support /etc/sources.d/ - so yes.  Please.
[02:06] <mamarley> ScottK: I'm sorry, what?  Do you mean /etc/apt/sources.d/?  What does that have to do with the Quassel initscript?
[02:06] <ScottK> mamarley: Sorry.  Tab complete fail.
[02:06] <ScottK> I wanted manchicken .
[02:07] <mamarley> No problem :)
[02:07] <ScottK> For quassel, I'm hoping debfx will be able to look at your latest revision.
[02:07] <manchicken> ScottK: You're not the only one ;)
[02:07] <manchicken> ScottK: Get in line!
[02:08] <manchicken> ScottK: libqapt already supports sources.d... kinda.
[02:08] <mamarley> Hmm, there is no /etc/apt/sources.d either.
[02:08]  * mamarley doesn't know what he was thinking.
[02:08]  * mamarley goes back to lurking.
[02:08] <ScottK> Dude:  I spent as much time driving in the last two days as I have sleeping and that's way too much driving and not nearly enough sleeping.
[02:08]  * ScottK is authorized to be a bit fuzzy.
[02:09] <ScottK> Actually, it's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[02:09] <manchicken> It has poor and unequal support for sources.list.d, until now.
[02:09] <ScottK> Now it's broken completely?
[02:09] <manchicken> Pfft.
[02:09] <mamarley> That's fine, I was just admitting that I had committed an error.
[02:09] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:10] <ScottK> manchicken: Good for you for working on it.  It's definitely stuff that needs doing.
[02:10] <manchicken> ScottK: You've forgotten who you're dealing with. I literally fart rainbows. It's painful. My code makes all who read it cry tears of joy to the point of utter dehydration.
[02:11] <ScottK> manchicken: Yes, but you could make Adept work, so that's a special magic all it's own.
[02:11] <manchicken> ScottK: None of that is true, of course, but not only am I making this work but I'm proving it with automated tests.
[02:11] <ScottK> Excellent.
[02:12] <manchicken> It's taking a while to do though.
[02:13]  * ScottK was talking to a guy who claimed that model driven development was the future and all the code would be autogenerated.
[02:13] <ScottK> Color me skeptical.
[02:17] <manchicken> Model driven development?
[02:18] <ScottK> You develop a high level behavior model of what you want to have happen using SysML (System Modeling Language - a UML derivative) and then there are tools that can generate code from this model.
[02:18] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[02:18] <manchicken> So essentially the guy sells hardware and is trying to slow all of our software down so we have to buy more hardware... that his schtick?
[02:19] <manchicken> That sounds like a quick path to slow code.
[02:19] <ScottK> No, the guy was a system engineer explaining to me how the code monkeys were going to be obsolete.
[02:19] <manchicken> I've been hearing that since I was ten years old.
[02:19] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:19] <manchicken> And yet I keep getting work.
[02:37] <valorie> adept -- please dear god let us not return to that POS
[02:42]  * manchicken refuses to maintain it...
[02:43] <manchicken> libqapt isn't terrible.
[02:43] <manchicken> kubuntu-debug-installer isn't terrible.
[02:43] <valorie> well, I think it's long dead
[02:43] <manchicken> I'll keep playing with those.
[02:43] <manchicken> adept wasn't pretty.
[02:43] <manchicken> Not at all.
[02:43] <manchicken> I've certainly seen worse, but not by an awful lot.
[02:43]  * manchicken curses
[02:44] <manchicken> Why would a .moc file not be generated without throwing warnings?!
[03:03]  * manchicken turned on -Wall...
[03:03] <manchicken> Lots of warnings, mostly -Wreorder.
[03:16] <manchicken> I hate cmake sometimes
[03:16] <manchicken> s/sometimes/most of the time/
[03:16] <kubotu> manchicken meant: "I hate cmake most of the time"
[03:55] <manchicken> Night
[05:40] <markey> shadeslayer: so Muon keeps crashing here, always with the same backtrace I already sent you
[05:40] <markey> 100% of the time
[06:02] <ScottK> valorie: manchicken is the one that kept Adept alive when it was abandoned by it's original developer and made it suck way less than it used to.
[06:03] <ScottK> It did suck, but it was all we had.
[07:12] <soee> good morning
[08:00] <valorie> ScottK: oh, that's cool to know
[08:00] <valorie> it did suck a bit less before it disappeared
[08:01] <valorie> like a lightbulb that dims, then brightens right before you hear that pop
[08:01] <valorie> kids today will never experience that now, I guess!
[08:12] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: still around?
[08:22] <Riddell> valorie: ah the things we miss out on :)
[08:22] <Riddell> morning ovidiu-florin
[08:22] <valorie> Riddell: are you in Munich?
[08:23] <Riddell> ScottK: model driven development is the future! I'm just waiting for Umbrello to take over the world, any day now
[08:24] <valorie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pTEmbeENF4 is fantastico
[08:25] <ovidiu-florin> morning Riddell
[08:26] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: so what's the status on the media wiki?
[08:26] <ovidiu-florin> what should we do?
[08:27] <valorie> you da man -- if you feel that you can install it and maintain it, go for it
[08:27] <valorie> it seems like a daunting project to ME
[08:28] <valorie> but really, you can see how hard it is just to install and get working
[08:28] <valorie> and if it seems less difficult than I fear, maybe it will work for us
[08:28] <ovidiu-florin> I've already done one on my server
[08:29] <valorie> with the translate plugin and so forth?
[08:29] <ovidiu-florin> but for that project it turned out that all I needed was a blog, not a wiki
[08:29] <ovidiu-florin> but the instalation and maintainance wasn't very difficult
[08:29] <valorie> cool
[08:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can I set one up on the docs server with a temporary url?
[08:30] <valorie> but; you are just one person
[08:30] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: for now
[08:30] <valorie> a well run wiki has procedures that everyone follows
[08:30] <valorie> the KDE wiki system is awesome, in that they have a theme that helps new users out
[08:31] <valorie> it's open source, so i'm sure we can use it
[08:31] <valorie> but that's another layer to administer, tinker with, etc
[08:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sgclark was looking into using the KDE one
[08:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I'd really rather avoid setting up our own stuff if KDE has done it already
[08:39] <ovidiu-florin> I thought that KDE refused to host ours
[08:39] <Riddell> I don't think they've been asked
[08:39] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun sayd he'd ask them
[08:40] <valorie> I asked them
[08:41] <valorie> but there is no way to shoehorn our stuff into their process
[08:41] <Riddell> valorie: er really?
[08:41] <valorie> I mean, we're kubuntu, not KDE
[08:41] <valorie> when we first discussed this, months ago
[08:41] <valorie> if we could figure out a way to fit into their structure, then maybe
[08:42] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not sure I understand this
[08:42] <valorie> I mean, I've used and edited all the KDE wikis
[08:42] <valorie> but I don't see a way to fit in our stuff, into their structure
[08:44] <ovidiu-florin> what exactly is there in kubuntu wiki that is not, or shoud not, be in the KDE wiki or in the Ubuntu wiki?
[08:44] <ovidiu-florin> except the installer
[08:44] <Riddell> you can't? what's wrong with just putting some documents on their wiki and through the translation system?
[08:44] <valorie> Riddell: where?
[08:45] <Riddell> where ever the kde docs are made? doesn't even need to be linked to from anywhere, a wiki is infinite
[08:45] <valorie> I racked my brain, and asked some of the experts, and none of us could figure out where we could fit in the stuff
[08:45] <ovidiu-florin> userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu ?
[08:46] <valorie> well, I guess we could ask for permission again and do something like that
[08:46] <valorie> but then how do the translators find our pages?
[08:46] <valorie> I mean, they have a system
[08:47] <valorie> I could propose that they open the wiki to all the KDE distros
[08:47] <ovidiu-florin> how does that system work?
[08:47] <ovidiu-florin> distro.kde.org
[08:47] <ovidiu-florin> sounds nice
[08:48] <valorie> and whether or not anyone else wants to, then we could..
[08:48] <Riddell> do docs on userbase.kde.org get exported to docbook?
[08:48] <valorie> there is projects.kde.org
[08:48] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: that's something else
[08:48] <valorie> Riddell: they can be
[08:48] <valorie> that's how the amarok docs are created, for instance
[08:49] <valorie> not sure how many other projects do that as well
[08:49] <valorie> Amarok was the first
[08:50] <Riddell> so http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok is what gets exported to docbook?
[08:50] <Riddell> and that wiki page gets translated on the wiki e.g. http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/de ?
[08:50] <valorie> actually, just the handbook part
[08:50] <valorie> which is basically all of the above
[08:50] <Riddell> http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual ?
[08:51] <valorie> yes, I think the translations are used
[08:51] <valorie> however, that I don't know
[08:51] <valorie> yup
[08:51] <ovidiu-florin> maybe a stupid question, why do we need docbook?
[08:51] <valorie> atm there is a difference between the translators who work on the wiki and those who do l1on and doc translation
[08:52] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: we don't but it's nice to have it locally on the system as well as online, that can be docbook or html
[08:52] <valorie> not sure how the work of uniting the teams is advancing
[08:52] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: the docbook is what shows up on the top-level Help menu
[08:52] <Riddell> so yeah, we just make http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu it doesn't need to be linked from anywhere and we just e-mail ubuntu and kde translators to say anyone interested in helping kubuntu translations go here
[08:52] <ovidiu-florin> yes, but that's already provided by KDE
[08:53] <ovidiu-florin> userbase.kde.org/distros/Kubuntu sounds better
[08:53] <valorie> Riddell: who would check those people out?
[08:53] <valorie> and make sure it gets done right?
[08:53] <valorie> help them figure out the translate plugin and so forth?
[08:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you can question if kubuntu needs any documentation at all yes and we havn't had it for several cycles but in saucy ahoneybun and others started it up again so there is a desire to have it
[08:53] <valorie> I mean, it is work
[08:54] <Riddell> valorie: good questions, who does it for Amarok?
[08:54] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: and what would we put in it?
[08:54] <valorie> the wiki team
[08:54] <valorie> and the doc team
[08:54] <valorie> and of course we amarok people write the pages
[08:54] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: our docs, see http://docs.kubuntu.org
[08:55] <valorie> I completed the handbook using GCi students, which was sorta cool
[08:55] <valorie> what's lovely in KDE is how all the teams work together
[08:57] <Riddell> valorie: it takes work but so does our current infrastructure, and currently we get lots of translators complaining they can't be translated
[08:57] <valorie> anyway, I'm willing to ask again, but I'm not sure how willing 1. the sysadmins, 2. the wiki team, and 3. the doc team are to lend their resources to us
[08:57] <valorie> maybe they are
[08:58] <valorie> Riddell: indeed, and i've talked to some of them
[08:58] <valorie> I agree that the KDE mediawiki would be ideal
[08:58] <valorie> IF we could figure out a way to fit in
[09:00] <Riddell> a wiki is infinite, it doesn't need to be linked from anywhere else on the wiki
[09:00] <Riddell> just easy to translate then export to docbook and html
[09:01] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what if we loose the URL ?
[09:01] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[09:01] <valorie> right, but we are using their resources
[09:01] <valorie> I can't imagine us just using their wiki without getting it approved by the syadmins and wiki teams
[09:02] <Riddell> no just make it sound like we won't be any bother at all :)
[09:03] <valorie> lol
[09:03] <valorie> I'll write something up
[09:15] <Riddell> sgclark: ↑
[09:16]  * Riddell goes to Munich
[09:22] <apachelogger> valorie: are you calling me burnt out?
[09:23] <valorie> you said you were getting so little sleep!
[09:23] <valorie> that will burn you out
[09:23] <valorie> you are burning bright, and don't want to fall asleep in the middle of The Day of the Doctor!
[09:25] <apachelogger> well, the no sleep wasn't by choice
[09:25] <valorie> you're still a baby, and can do that
[09:26] <apachelogger> not for a whole week :P
[09:26] <valorie> I used to be able to, and now I can't
[09:26] <valorie> sucks
[09:26] <valorie> a week is pushing it for sure
[09:26] <apachelogger> I'd rather sleep
[09:26] <apachelogger> sleep is cool
[09:29] <valorie> yes, i love both sleeping and dreaming
[09:29] <valorie> even boring dreams where i 'm really thinking
[09:36]  * apachelogger puts kubuntu on an opensuse stick
[09:39]  * valorie shuts down the computer and goes to read a book
[09:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll arrive at 20:34 at the train station
[12:33] <apachelogger> apparently friday is a popular day for travel xD
[12:58]  * yofel makes his way to munich
[12:58] <yofel> I hope I'll be there by 6 PM
[13:17] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1254006] After installing package qt4-demos executable qtdemo is not found @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254006 (by Rob Schipper)
[13:55] <jussi> so who is in Munich already?
[13:57] <debfx> I am in 15 min
[14:00] <jussi> ok, just messaging with riddell. we are about to leave our hotel and head to town. shall we all meet at marianplatz?
[14:00] <jussi> debfx: ^^
[14:02] <allee> jussi: Marienplatz, when?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: me
[14:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: where are you guys?
[14:02] <apachelogger> jussi: not me
[14:03] <jussi> allee: 40mins -1 hour from now. its about 20 mins from here, so just a matter of gettign the girls out of here.
[14:03] <debfx> i want Tod check into the hotel first
[14:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in munich they are
[14:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: we are staying right by Harthaus station
[14:03] <apachelogger> debfx: stop using phones for IRC :P
[14:04] <shadeslayer> debfx: which hotel are you in?
[14:04] <jussi> my number is +358406726673
[14:04] <shadeslayer> jussi: okay, I'm at Motel One ( same as riddell )
[14:04] <shadeslayer> if only I could call other people :(
[14:04] <apachelogger> why can you not?
[14:04] <allee> jussi: I need at least an hour.   16:30 is realistic (still at work)
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can't place outgoing calls for some reason
[14:05] <shadeslayer> idk why
[14:05] <apachelogger> walk into a phone shop and get a disposable one :P
[14:06] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[14:06] <jussi> 16:30 sounds good to me
[14:07] <shadeslayer> jussi: is Riddell at the hotel? or is he yet to arrive?
[14:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: or actuall you just need a prepaid sim anyway
[14:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have a prepaid sim from Spain
[14:07] <apachelogger> so get one from germany
[14:07] <jussi> http://www.ratskeller.com/ - how does this lace look to people?
[14:07] <apachelogger> cheaper anyway since there's still roaming fees in effect
[14:08] <jussi> s/lace/place/
[14:08] <kubotu> jussi meant: "http://www.ratskeller.com/ - how does this place look to people?"
[14:08] <apachelogger> they got nice wines :P
[14:11] <shadeslayer> jussi: sure
[14:11] <shadeslayer> jussi: meet at 16:30?
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: at o2 you can get a phone for 20 euromonies with 5 euromonies prepaid xD
[14:12] <apachelogger> it's even got a color display
[14:12] <jussi> ok, everyone, debfx, allee, shadeslayer etc ratskeller at 16:30. see you all
[14:12]  * apachelogger rofls
[14:12] <allee> jussi: okay
[14:12] <manchicken> allee: Howdy
[14:12] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:13] <allee> manchicken: Hi :-)
[14:14] <apachelogger> pfff, vodafone only got prepaids starting at 50
[14:14] <apachelogger> so silly
[14:15] <jussi> ok, we are leaving now
[14:15]  * allee leaves work, heading for ratskeller
[14:17]  * apachelogger continues trolling people on IRC
[14:18]  * shadeslayer munches on food
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you're supposed to get a sim you lazy bum
[14:20] <apachelogger> on that note
[14:20] <apachelogger> did anyone package phonon?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or figure out why the current one doesn't work
[14:22] <apachelogger> oh, it's broken?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> broken in the sense that anyone can call me
[14:24] <shadeslayer> I can't call anyone
[14:24] <apachelogger> oh you talk about sims
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: as I said... it's likely cheaper to by a prepaid sim anyway
[14:25] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[14:25] <apachelogger> roaming fees are a bitch I tell ya
[14:27] <shadeslayer>  k
[14:39] <Riddell> I'm outside ratskeller
[14:42] <debfx> I'll be there in about 10 min
[15:37] <jmux> Riddell: You can get free internet in the city
[15:37] <jmux> Marienplatz and Sendlinger to and a few other places have an open wlan - you just need a registration
[15:37] <jmux> But that's free
[15:42]  * apachelogger leaves for train
[15:42] <apachelogger> laters
[15:52] <soee> :)
[17:06]  * yofel finally made it to motel one
[17:11] <soee> :)
[17:11] <soee> yofel, what about 4.12 betas ?
[17:13] <yofel> still WIP, we're getting there though
[17:36] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://community.kde.org/Solid/Projects/BlueDevil/Tests
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you fix the circular dep thingy?
[17:52] <jussi> circular deps ftw :P
[17:57] <jussi> d_ed: are you going to virtually join our Munich bug squishing? :D
[17:58] <d_ed> aww, you missing me?
[18:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: why is libkomparediff2 not using dhmk?
[18:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: good question
[18:07] <Riddell> sigh no libkolab failed on arm64
[18:08]  * yofel just retried kdepim-runtime
[18:08] <yofel> seems to at least be ok on amd64
[18:10] <Riddell> libkolab-0.4.1/kolabformatV2/task.cpp:116:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[18:10] <Riddell> yum, I'll retry
[18:11] <ScottK> Riddell: arm64 hardware is buggy, so when you see those, just retry until it works.
[18:12] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion plasma-nm <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:12] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254121
[18:30] <jussi> d_ed: yeah, we are missing you... why didnt you come? :D
[18:30] <d_ed> I really really really hate Doctor Who.
[18:30] <d_ed> I heard that was a major part of the agenda
[18:31] <jussi> d_ed: as do I, so no issues there.
[18:31] <d_ed> oh, poor you
[18:31]  * d_ed hugs
[18:31] <jussi> I think Ill go watch sports instead :D
[18:32]  * jussi hugs d_ed back
[18:33] <jussi> btw, for anyone thats interested: https://holvi.com/avoinbudjetti/Kubuntu/ - the almost complete final outcome of the shirts thing - I still have to put a couple of postage costs, but otherwise, that is it
[18:36] <Riddell> excellent :)
[18:47] <jussi> so as I just talked with Riddell, perhaps for next time, we wil do a pre-order system, when there will be unlimited amounts of $product that people can buy, with a set "order date", when I lok at all the pre-orders and do an order based on that. that allows me to order a much wider variety of items. ANybody got any thoughts?
[18:52] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kscreen <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:52] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254125
[18:57] <Riddell> yay libkolab accepted!
[18:57] <Riddell> although admitadely I had to disable all the tests to get it to compile :(
[19:01] <jussi> Riddell: please give me the correct URL...
[19:01] <jussi> Cannot GET /kubuntu-munich
[19:01] <Riddell> jussi: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich
[19:03] <jussi> thank you sir
[19:04] <jussi> ᵔᴥᵔ
[19:23] <Noskcaj> Riddell, Do you want me to upgrade kscreen? I've got nothing else to do
[19:28] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: go for it
[19:42] <Noskcaj> I assume libkscreen needs updating too
[19:54] <apachelogger> so, I got a suite xD
[19:54] <apachelogger> Riddell, jussi: are ye at the venue?
[19:55] <jussi> we are
[19:55] <jussi> apachelogger: where are you?
[19:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: phone me to get in
[19:55] <apachelogger> @hotel
[19:55] <jussi> apachelogger: get here already
[19:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: come here! you're missing the party!
[19:55] <apachelogger> is there beer?
[19:56] <Riddell> there's Mezzo Mix
[19:56] <apachelogger> it aint a party without beer
[19:56] <jussi> there is beer!
[19:56] <apachelogger> is there food?
[19:56] <jussi> YES
[19:56] <Riddell> yep
[19:56] <Riddell> if you hurry up
[19:56] <jussi> (beer doesnt have alcohol, but who is counting that... :P )
[19:56] <apachelogger> :O
[19:56] <apachelogger> gotta drink my free beer first then :P
[19:57] <Riddell> bring it here
[19:57] <Riddell> we're all waiting on you
[19:57] <apachelogger> pfff
[19:57] <apachelogger> oh, I also get free wine :P
[19:57] <Riddell> good, bring it here
[19:57] <apachelogger> alas, in a glas
[19:57] <jussi> apachelogger: please come, seriously. we are waiting on you, and my kid wants to go home :P
[19:58] <apachelogger> there's a wine party tomorrow at the hotel
[19:58] <apachelogger> :O
[19:58] <apachelogger> outragous
[19:58] <apachelogger> jussi: preping
[19:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you upload your kdepim-runtime fixes?
[19:59] <Riddell> allee: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich
[20:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: doing that
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also doing kwallet
[20:03] <Riddell> how did manchicken get on with perlkde?
[20:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, I think kdepim-runtime is haunting perlkde too
[20:04] <yofel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:04] <yofel>  kdepimlibs5-dev : Breaks: kdepim-runtime (< 4:4.11.80-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.11.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed.
[20:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: odd, I could build it locally
[20:04] <yofel> it's just that pbuilder ignores that and lets aptitude install 4.11.2
[20:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kwallet and kdepim-runtime fixed
[20:05] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga
[20:05] <yofel> lets see if I can figure out where it actually breaks
[20:08] <jussi> apachelogger: on your way yet? :D
[20:12]  * ovidiu-florin has arrived and is finally online :D
[20:12] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: welcome!
[20:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell working on updating the symbols for kde4libs ?
[20:12] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[20:12] <yofel> not me
[20:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not me
[20:12] <Riddell> but I can do
[20:12] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: welcome!... guy sitting nex to me ^^
[20:13] <Riddell> or ovidiu-florin is here now and wants to learn :)
[20:13] <Noskcaj> I've just pushed libkscreen 1.0.2 to launchpad. Should i just propose a merge into the trusty branch or is the special kubuntu stuff?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, I'll work on nepomuk-core
[20:13] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: welcome :) Have fun cuddling with Riddell tonight :D
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> I have to fix my bluetooth first... can't use my mouse
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: :S
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> :-s
[20:13] <Riddell> Noskcaj: awesome
[20:16] <Riddell> Noskcaj: looks like we have no repository for it so I suggest attaching to a bug report or linking to a PPA
[20:17] <Riddell> Noskcaj: bug 1220779
[20:18] <Noskcaj> what about it?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/driver-manager-kde
[20:20] <Riddell> Noskcaj: er no wrong bug sorry
[20:20] <Noskcaj> branch is at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libkscreen/1.0.2
[20:20] <Noskcaj> and https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/kscreen/<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:20] <Riddell> ok that'll do :)
[20:22] <soee> hiho :)
[20:22]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/11/22/munich-beastie-squishing-party-begins
[20:29] <Riddell> Noskcaj: oh I had a crash in libkscreen today, do you think it's worth doing an SRU?
[20:30] <Noskcaj> Riddell, Why do you think i know? I don't even use KDE, i just ran out of other stuff to package
[21:00] <Riddell> Noskcaj: so did you run this package and test it works?
[21:00] <Noskcaj> I only tested building
[21:00] <Riddell> ah
[21:03] <Noskcaj> Once i get my devel PC finished i'll be able to do some better testing, but currently i can't even rune kde
[21:03] <Noskcaj> *run
[21:23]  * yofel uploaded kdepimlibs without ubuntu version so it doesn't break the ppa packages
[21:24] <yofel> without ubuntu version in the kdepim-runtime breaks/replaces
[21:48] <Riddell> ooh kwwii liked my twitter post :)
[21:53] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion plasma-mediacenter 1.1.9
[21:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254178
[22:05] <apachelogger> there my wifi works, I am done for the weekend
[22:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kwin is broken in kf5
[22:18] <Riddell> good thing he's sitting next to mgraesslin
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> the Guided - resize and use free space option in the installer has been disabled?
[22:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no but it's only enabled if d-i thinks your hard disk can be resized
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> and when does it think that?
[22:21] <Riddell> when the hard disk partition is full?
[22:21] <Riddell> or too full to resize
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm going to head back in 10 minutes
[22:39] <shadeslayer> unless apachelogger comes with a plan
[22:40] <Riddell> yeah I'm getting that way too
[22:40] <apachelogger> the plan is crack cocaine and the council is paying
[22:40] <shadeslayer> we don't have quroum
[22:40] <Riddell> this is not the Coop bank!
[22:40] <Riddell> (UK joke)
[22:40] <apachelogger> and we are not in tornto so I guess that plan won't work
[22:40] <apachelogger> I'll go to the hotel and have  some wine then :P
[22:41] <Riddell> ooh harald has wine at the hotel
[22:41] <shadeslayer> to apachelogger's hotel!
[22:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger's paying!
[22:43] <shadeslayer> cool, BBC iPlayer works for tomorrow
[22:43] <apachelogger> why nut
[22:44] <Riddell> sweet
[22:44] <shadeslayer> ^^
[22:44] <apachelogger> yolo the hipsters say
[22:44] <Riddell> as long the the internet stays up, this dr who show might overload the world's internet
[22:45] <shadeslayer> that's what they said about porn
[22:45] <apachelogger> the bbc wouldn't be the first to fall over a blocked intartube
[22:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wanna help debug a weird qapt issue?
[22:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fu
[22:47] <shadeslayer> :/
[22:47] <apachelogger> I want some wine already
[22:47] <shadeslayer> fine, lets leave
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: which one are you?
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin> raise your hand
[22:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fu
[22:49] <apachelogger> wait what I am confused
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin> ahaa
[22:49] <apachelogger> I haz network manager in plasma2
[22:49] <apachelogger> I shall not use this silly plasma1 anymore
[22:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer, yofel: added kdesc-packages-trusty.txt to kubuntu-automation
[22:52] <shadeslayer> I thought I already added it :S
[22:55] <yofel> great, I fixed kdepimlibs and dist-upgrade still wants to remove 349 packages :S
[22:55] <yofel> and debug::pkgproblemresolver prints several pages -.-
[22:55] <apachelogger> someone broke the flipping task manager in plasma2
[22:56] <apachelogger> first people to see MG has permission to bitchslap him
[22:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer,  Riddell: wineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[22:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: you were talking about something samba earlier?
[22:58] <shadeslayer> I was not
[22:58] <yofel> hm, nvm then
[22:59] <apachelogger> WINE
[22:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm done
[22:59] <Riddell> where's this wine?
[22:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: WINE
[23:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: train station
[23:00] <yofel>  kde-runtime : Depends: libsmbclient (>= 2:4.0.3+dfsg1) but 2:3.6.18-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[23:00] <yofel> FUN
[23:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: enable proposed
[23:02] <shadeslayer> samba 4.0.10 is stuck in -proposed
[23:02] <shadeslayer> 4.0.3 never migrated from proposed
[23:02] <yofel> I have propopsed enabled
[23:02] <shadeslayer> o_o
[23:02] <yofel> oh
[23:02] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/2:4.0.10+dfsg-4ubuntu1
[23:02] <yofel> *facepalm*
[23:02] <yofel> pinned to 50 -.-
[23:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: clearly we are in need of wine
[23:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[23:02] <apachelogger> yofel: WINE
[23:02] <shadeslayer> ready when you are
[23:03] <yofel> 5 packages to remove, BETTER
[23:03] <yofel> which include kdenlive and phonon-backend-vlc :S
[23:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: care to pastebin output ?
[23:04] <shadeslayer> I blame apachelogger for that
[23:04] <apachelogger> there's a thing called derby winepub whatever that may be
[23:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you get breakfast at the hotel?
[23:04] <valorie> damn, too early for wine here
[23:04] <apachelogger> did I already mention that you lazy bums still haven't packaged phonon?
[23:04] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6461069/
[23:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: or do you plan on getting breakfast here
[23:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we don't package unstable software
[23:04] <shadeslayer> :>
[23:05] <apachelogger> all the good distributions do
[23:05] <shadeslayer> and all the awesome ones don't
[23:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: looks like a vlc issue?
[23:05] <shadeslayer> why is vlc being kept back
[23:07] <apachelogger> CAN WE PLASE GET WINE NOW
[23:07] <yofel> hm, If I force vlc and libvlccore7 it wants to remove libvlccore5 and phonon-backend-vlc
[23:07] <yofel> someone rebuild phonon
[23:08] <apachelogger> WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE WINE
[23:08] <apachelogger> where did Riddell disappear to anyway
[23:08]  * yofel throws emulators at apachelogger
[23:08] <apachelogger> oh, I found him
[23:08]  * ScottK considers Whisky.
[23:08] <apachelogger> WINE
[23:08] <ScottK> Still some driving yet to do tonight.  After that.
[23:08] <apachelogger> whisky, wut
[23:08] <apachelogger> anyone else wine?
[23:08] <apachelogger> wine
[23:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: find a place, and then I'm right behind you
[23:08] <apachelogger> WINE
[23:09] <apachelogger> found one
[23:09] <apachelogger> let's go
[23:09] <apachelogger> wine
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> wine 1.7
[23:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: get up and start walking
[23:09] <soee> something like this will be used in next releases ?
[23:09] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ28mrOeuNA
[23:09] <shadeslayer> and if you want to be socially awesome, ask everyone else as well
[23:10]  * ScottK reminds apachelogger that it's not yet late.
[23:13]  * ScottK suggests apachelogger give jussi a Qt update with some hidden binary incompatibilities in it.  He loves those when he's at a conference.
[23:16] <valorie> soee: cool
[23:17] <valorie> but dang, kdm, lightdm, now SDDM?
[23:18] <ScottK> valorie: sddm is a thing we need to worry about due to the Canonical CLA.  KDE decided LightDM was unsuitable due to the CLA, even though it's technically superior to sddm.
[23:19] <valorie> ah, ok
[23:19] <valorie> I knew that CLA would create trouble for a long, long time
[23:20] <valorie> the Desktop Summit debate "roundtable" sort of cemented that
[23:20]  * ScottK doesn't know about that.
[23:21] <soee> valorie, but this login screen looks really good
[23:21] <valorie> perhaps the vid or at least voice is available, but the GNOMErs sort of dropped their bit of the ball on that
[23:21] <valorie> soee: it does look good
[23:21] <soee> if i can have such think in Kubuntu <3
[23:21] <valorie> of course looks aren't everything
[23:22] <valorie> I guess technical superiority isn't, either
[23:22] <soee> they are not, but for new users and those who want to try product look/how it works 50/50
[23:24] <valorie> soee: we have lots of interests to consider
[23:24] <valorie> new users are certainly one of the important ones
[23:24] <ScottK> I think "Upstream won't take my patches" is a good factor to consider.
[23:26] <valorie> heh, indeed
[23:27] <valorie> ScottK: so when do we need to make the jump?
[23:27] <valorie> before 14.4?
[23:27] <ScottK> No.
[23:27] <valorie> good
[23:27] <ScottK> The sddm/lightdm question is for KF5/Plasma2.
[23:27] <valorie> I'd hate to make that large of change right before LTS
[23:31] <soee> ScottK, and when can we see KF5/Plasma2 in Kubuntu ?
[23:32] <ScottK> We may get some beta level bits of KF5 in 14.04.  I'd guess we'll have a working plasma2 of some kind by 14.10.  Not our default though.
[23:33] <valorie> soee: not out yet
[23:33] <valorie> although they are working on it very enthusiastically
[23:34] <soee> ;]
[23:37] <soee> something for lock screen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKwz2FQcE3c :-)
[23:39] <valorie> soee: are you gonna package it for us, so we can check it out?
[23:39] <valorie> sec
[23:39] <soee> valorie, i do not know nothing about packaging atm :)
[23:39] <soee> this video is ssdm but a nice animation in background - good concept for a lock screen
[23:40] <Noskcaj> It might just be me, but the latest plasma-mediacenter has issues building with our current Qt
[23:40] <soee> *sddm
[23:48] <valorie> soee: we can always use more people on the packaging team
[23:48] <valorie> and Riddell and shadeslayer are good teachers, from what I've seen
[23:49] <soee> valorie, i planned to start with it but i have a lot of work :) im a php/html/javascript developer so i work for a company and alaso have a lot of private projects
[23:50] <ScottK> soee: You definitely have sufficient technical background.  When I started I knew a bit of shell and python and that was it.
[23:50] <ScottK> (not that that's changed much)
[23:51] <soee> ScottK, yeah but the time is the problem here :) i have already each weekend reserved for various tasks in this year :)
[23:55] <valorie> yup, time is always the problem
[23:55] <valorie> which is why it's good to have more people
[23:55] <valorie> spread the work around


[01:37] <btm> 'status JOB' exists with 0 when the job is running and when it isn't. is there a way to tell from an exit code if a job is running with upstart (since starting now emits 1 if it is already running)?
[19:42] <dchen_> is there a way to reset the upstart respawn counter?
[19:42] <dchen_> with inittab, the init q command does this
[19:52] <Keybuk> dchen_: same
[21:13] <dchen_> Keybuk: init q didn't seem to do it
[21:13] <dchen_> I just waited for the timeout
[21:18] <Keybuk> oh, no, it's running
[21:20] <dchen_> pardon?
[21:27] <Keybuk> you need to stop and start the job
[21:27] <Keybuk> (with the telinit in between)
[21:29] <dchen_> hrm
[21:29] <dchen_> so I tried
[21:29] <dchen_> initctl stop blah
[21:29] <dchen_> init q
[21:30] <dchen_> initctl start blah
[21:30] <dchen_> and it had an error message that it was restarting too fast or something
[21:31] <sadmac> Keybuk: you said ubuntu doesn't re-exec init on every glibc change, but instead does it just before unmounting the FS?
[21:33] <asalkeld> hi, has anyone tried to cross compile upstart 0.63 yet?
[21:34] <sadmac> asalkeld: yes. there's been some complaints about the dependency on libnih creating issues
[21:34] <asalkeld> It has problems as nil-dbus-tool is build with the cross CC
[21:35] <sadmac> asalkeld: yep
[21:35] <sadmac> asalkeld: don't know that there's been a resolution sadly
[21:35] <asalkeld> does nil-dbus-tool generate c files (only - no other function?)
[21:36] <asalkeld> if so , it would be good if these c files could be generated as part of the shipped tarball
[21:37] <asalkeld> so we would not have to compile nil-dbus-tool at all.
[21:37] <sadmac> asalkeld: interesting idea.
[21:37] <asalkeld> ok, well thanks - I'll try find a solution myself
[21:38] <sadmac> asalkeld: technically the c files are not "source," but rather the xml they are generated from is
[21:38] <asalkeld> like a configure file ...
[21:38] <sadmac> true.
[21:39] <asalkeld> often there is some prep that is done before distributing a release (changelog, autotools, etc...)
[21:40] <asalkeld> this could be a part of this
[21:40] <asalkeld> unless there is some dbus version dependant code.
[21:41] <Keybuk> sadmac: correct
[21:41] <Keybuk> wing-commander scott% grep telinit /etc/init.d/umountroot
[21:41] <Keybuk> 	[ -f /var/run/init.upgraded ] && telinit u || :
[21:41] <sadmac> Keybuk: why re-exec at all? From a vm perspective I don't see what problems it causes.
[21:42] <Keybuk> sadmac: if you've upgraded libc or init, you have a file open on the root filesystem that is "dirty"
[21:42] <Keybuk> so you cannot remount readonly
[21:42] <Keybuk> the remount will fail
[21:42] <Keybuk> and you'll power off a dirty root
[21:42] <Keybuk> incur a mandatory fsck on reboot
[21:42] <Keybuk> etc.
[21:42] <sadmac> dunno why its dirty
[21:42] <sadmac> dirty implies there's an alternate "clean" state
[21:43] <Keybuk> yes
[21:43] <sadmac> there's no laundering procedure for the pages in question
[21:43] <sadmac> they should just be freed
[21:43] <sadmac> or rather become anonymous
[21:44] <Keybuk> they don't
[21:44] <sadmac> kernel mis-step methinks (or posix mandating stupidity as is often the case)
[21:48] <Keybuk> like most stupidity, posix
[21:48] <sadmac> fantastic
[21:57] <wasabi> My vbox init scripts work. Yay.