[06:16] <sug> why i am here ?
[06:16] <sug> :'( what i done wrong
[06:16] <rww> one sec
[06:16] <bazhang> jungli
[06:16] <sug> jungli ?
[06:16] <rww> Ah. Rampant violation of network protocol via wilful ban-evasion.
[06:16] <sug> when ?
[06:17] <bazhang> earlier today
[06:17] <sug> i want to know about myth ubuntu
[06:17] <sug> what is that ?
[06:17] <IdleOne> use a search engine
[06:18] <sug> no no which wm is install in i ?
[06:18] <sug> i/it
[06:18] <bazhang> sug, hi
[06:18] <sug> guys you all are mad i am not jungli
[06:19] <rww> uh huh
[06:19] <bazhang> sug, this is not a support channel.
[06:19] <sug> i have to instaal master shaper on it
[06:19] <rww> Shame. Perhaps you shouldn't have pooped where you eat. Or get technical support. Or something.
[06:20] <sug> but tell me which wm is on mythubuntu
[06:20] <IdleOne> sug: Please part this channel and stop wasting our time.
[06:20] <bazhang> sug, try a search engine. mythtv and ubuntu
[06:20] <sug> sorry but i am not jungli you ppl are thing wrong
[06:21] <sug> bye
[06:21] <rww> I wonder why he bothers denying it.
[06:22]  * rww shrugs, goes back to food
[06:22] <Tm_T> because it causes more mess?
[06:22] <bazhang> at least it's not his mom
[06:27] <sug> fuck you all mofos
[06:27] <Tm_T> <3
[06:28] <IdleOne> If you were drinking tea right now, you would not be speaking.
[06:29] <IdleOne> :)
 tom4ficus: LIGHT IT ON FIRE AND IGNORE IT!
[06:30] <rww> IdleOne has ruined tea forever.
[06:30] <IdleOne> I can change it to Snapple
[06:31] <IdleOne> made from the best stuff on earth!
[06:31] <Tm_T> IdleOne: change it to kapsi
[06:31] <rww> high fructose corn syrup?
[06:31] <IdleOne> Tm_T: I don't know what kapsi is
[06:32] <Tm_T> mix of coffee and pepsi (or any cola)
[06:32] <IdleOne> sounds gross
[06:32] <Tm_T> try and find out
[06:32] <bazhang> change it to molasses, makes more sense
[06:33] <Tm_T> where's the fun in making sense?
[06:33] <Flannel> You can save it for a rainy day!
[06:47] <bazhang> steviewonder seems to be less than helpful
[07:23] <sug> sorry guys
[07:23] <sug> this is not my sementics
[07:23] <sug> sorry for abusing you
[07:23] <sug> god bless you all sorry again
[08:47] <Jordan_U> Banned from viewing wikipedia?
[08:48] <Tm_T> ?
[08:48] <Jordan_U> ( reffering to a comment from zeekill in #ubuntu )
[08:49] <ikonia> !ops bacta in #ubuntu-server
[08:49] <ikonia> !ops |bacta in #ubuntu-server
[08:50] <ikonia> 4 ops for -server, great
[08:50] <Tm_T> I'm not surprised
[08:56] <soren> ikonia: I'm not sure what you're asking there.
[08:56] <soren> ikonia: To kickban him or what?
[08:56] <Tm_T> yes
[08:56] <ikonia> soren: bacta is on a namespace wide ban from all ubuntu channels
[08:56] <soren> alright
[08:57] <soren> Oh, too slow.
[08:57] <soren> Story of my life.
[08:58] <ikonia> you can still stick a ban on bacta!*@*
[08:58] <ikonia> (please)
[08:59] <soren> done
[08:59]  * Tm_T huggles soren
[08:59] <ikonia> thank you
[09:00] <Tm_T> micahg: hi, still something we can help you with?
[10:00] <ikonia> !idle | micahg
[10:01] <soren> ikonia: It's 4 AM in micahg-land. Just FYI.
[10:02] <ikonia> danke
[10:02] <ikonia> maybe someone should remove him until he's active
[10:06] <soren> He's actually an op in #ubuntu-hardened, apparantly.
[10:06] <ikonia> interesting
[12:59] <LjL> i find it awful that the Ubuntu site screams "built-in virus protection" :(
[12:59] <LjL> or for that matter, "free updates for life". says who?
[12:59] <bazhang> for the life of the website
[13:00] <ikonia> LjL: ubuntu.com says built in virus protection
[13:00] <ikonia> ?
[13:00] <LjL> ikonia: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[13:01] <LjL> so much marketing crap
[13:01] <LjL> "With Ubuntu, you can do everything you can do with other operating systems. But faster."
[13:01] <ikonia> pretty poor
[13:01] <ikonia> I can now see why the #ubuntu-adverts team feel it appropriate to say the tosh they do
[13:02] <bazhang> is that the team that wanted to add to the topic of #ubuntu ?
[13:02] <ikonia> yes,
[13:02] <ikonia> but I can see why they feel it appropriate to write what they did, based on the nonsense ubuntu.com is spouting
[13:28] <gord> "<LjL> or for that matter, "free updates for life". says who?" <-- mark?
[13:29] <LjL> gord: and mark can actually make a promise that throughout my life i will get free updates?
[13:29] <gord> LjL, your reading in to the wording, the updates are free for life, not you will get updates all through your life
[13:30] <Pici> It says free upgrades for life
[13:30] <bazhang> for the life of that version
[13:30] <Pici> I think it means from one release to the next, not necessarily within a release.
[13:30] <Pici> The picture next to it looks like CD cases anyway.
[13:31] <LjL> gord: anyway the virus protection thing is complete crap.
[13:31] <Pici> Unless you count GNU/Linux as being virus protection, but thats stretching the definition a bit.
[13:32] <gord> i disagree
[13:32] <Pici> gord: On which part?
[13:32] <gord> people are worried about viruses, viruses are not a problem on ubuntu, so you distil it down for them. maybe we could offer people a 20 page pdf about the pro's/con's of viruses on linux but that is hardly going to get people to try ubuntu
[13:33] <Pici> Although maybe if you're talking about AppArmor..
[13:33] <gord> your just being picky
[13:33] <LjL> gord: you could have said "There are no viruses" or something
[13:33] <LjL> gord: "Virus protection" means there is virus protection
[13:33] <LjL> and that's not being picky, that's reading things how they're written
[13:33] <LjL> you don't HAVE to defend their silly marketing claims you know
[13:33] <Pici> LjL: Woudl you say that the explanation under 'Secure' on this page is better worded: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features ?
[13:34] <Pici> LjL: Its about halfway down the page on the left.
[13:35] <gord> are security updates and things like apparmor not virus protection?
[13:35] <LjL> Pici: yes
[13:35] <LjL> gord: no, they aren't, not under any standard definition of "virus protection"
[13:36] <gord> [citation needed]
[13:36] <gord> wait, do you mean we need to ship norton anti-virus like things?
[13:37] <Pici> Well, if you want to get into semantics, I suppose virus protection != anti-virus.
[13:37] <bazhang> it's marketing, of course it's lies.
[13:37] <gord> on ubuntu, we take steps such as security updates and apparmor to protect against viruses and other threats, thus, virus protection
[13:37] <Pici> gord: I suppose.
[13:38] <LjL> how does apparmor protect against viruses exactly anyway, since afaik it just applies profiles to the apps shipped with Ubuntu? if i infect the machine, apparmor won't do a thing about it unless i'm much mistaken
[13:38] <Pici> Also... if someone asked me if they were protected against viruses on Linux, I'd probably say yes.
[13:39] <gord> apparmor isn't a perfect solution - <user> can still install random crap - but thats true of anything
[13:40] <LjL> it's not a matter of being a perfect solution or not, it's a matter of not having anything to do with *viruses*
[13:40] <LjL> it protects against exploits
[13:40] <gord> right, your talking about removing viruses after infection, thats not the only way of protecting the user against viruses
[13:41] <Pici> Its sort of like IDS vs. IPS
[13:41] <Pici> (don't look too closely into that analogy)
[13:41] <gord> there is prevention and removal, you can claim that ubuntus protection isn't good enough, but you can't claim it does not attempt to protect at all
[13:42] <ikonia> be nice just to see it worded a little more honest
[13:42] <ikonia> "there are fewer virus's written for linux, reducing your risk" rather than ubuntu offers virus protection, so your safe
[13:42] <Pici> LjL just asked about it in -offtopuc, which is probably where this conversation belongs anyway.
[13:42] <Pici> also, early, spelling, etc.
[13:48] <popey> um, unrelated to ubuntu, but cluefull people are here... how can I set a channel (which is no longer needed/used) to forward to a new channel?
[13:48] <ikonia> +I ?
[13:48] <ikonia> ahh, no
[13:48] <popey> so if people join #a they end up in #b
[13:49] <bazhang> ask some staffers lurking about here?
[13:50] <LjL> popey: /cs set #channel mlock +if #channel2
[13:50] <popey> thanks!
[13:51] <popey> then kick everyone?
[13:52] <bazhang> or ask them to part?
[13:53] <jussi> popey: /msg chanserv clear #channel users
[13:54] <Pici> popey: You'll need to be opped in #channel2, or have #channel2 be +F for it to work.
[13:55] <nhandler> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/MovingChannels
[13:55] <Pici> Sure... wiki pages are good too.
[13:57] <LjL> especially those i wrote! :P
[13:57]  * LjL forgot
[14:02] <Pici> !pamerror is <reply> If you're receiving 404 errors while updating pam today, the developers have identified a package regression and have pulled the update. For details see http://goo.gl/ZD0Lk
[14:03] <Pici> Will the bot parse its own bug links?
[14:04] <Pici> I forget if its set as an outfilter.
[14:05]  * Pici tests
[14:05] <Pici> !pamerror is <reply> If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538
[14:06] <Pici> !pambug is <reply> If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538
[14:06] <Pici> !pambug
[14:06] <Pici> !forget pambug
[14:08] <ts2> the bot won't parse messages it sends
[14:08] <Pici> ts2: okay.
[14:09] <Pici> !pamerror ~= s#http.*#https://launchpad.net/bugs/790538#
[14:09] <Pici> Also, sorry for the noise, I thought I was doing the modifications in my ubottu window.
[14:09] <SUG> sorry guys
[14:10] <SUG> that's not my sementics
[14:10] <SUG> plz forgive me
[14:10] <ikonia> no
[14:10] <ikonia> jungli this is unacceptale
[14:10] <ikonia> your behaviour has once again been reported to freenode
[14:11] <SUG> ikonia: you dunno any thing which happer few hours later
[14:11] <ikonia> SUG: I'm not interested
[14:11] <SUG> happer/happen
[14:11] <ikonia> SUG: please leave this channel and keep out of the ubuntu channels - you are NOT welcome
[14:11] <SUG> bazhang: IdleOne sorry guys plz forgive me
[14:12] <ikonia> SUG: please leave this channel and do not try to join #ubuntu channels
[14:14] <Pici> *yawn*
[14:14] <ikonia> yup
[14:14] <ikonia> sooner he's kicked off the network and forgotten about the better
[14:19] <Pici> er, since when was !controls entire unhelpful?
[14:19] <Pici> s/entire/entirely/
[14:22] <LjL> Pici: it says you last edited it :P
[14:22] <Pici> I know. It was jussi before that though.
[14:22] <LjL> that pesky australofinn
[14:23] <Pici> LjL: I changed s/In/Starting in/ before I realized that it wasn't linking to a good place.
[14:26] <Pici> !controls s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633#
[14:26] <Pici> !controls =~ s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633#
[14:26] <LjL> Pici: it originally linked to http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[14:27] <Pici> LjL: Looks like that 404s now.
[14:27] <LjL> i see
[14:29] <ikonia> why we link to external pages when they should be made into wiki pages I don't know
[14:29] <Pici> ikonia: pad.lv is a url-shortener for launchpad
[14:30] <ikonia> I meant the http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[14:30] <ikonia> which is what used to be used
[14:30] <LjL> because we're too lazy to make them wiki pages?
[14:31] <ikonia> possibly
[14:31] <ikonia> ?
[14:31] <ikonia> maybe we could tie in more with the docs team
[14:31] <LjL> is there still a docs team? judging from the state of the wiki, i thought not ;(
[14:32] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[14:39] <nhandler> LjL: The Doc team works on help.ubuntu.com/community and the system docs. wiki.ubuntu.com is the team wiki.
[14:40] <Pici> team wiki?
[14:42] <nhandler> Pici: Teams use it for their wiki pages and projects.
[14:42] <Pici> nhandler: I see... I think/
[14:43] <nhandler> Pici: I just refer to them as the "wiki", "community help wiki", and "system docs"
[14:53] <LjL> i know that
[14:53] <LjL> i just refer to both as wiki
[14:53] <vibhav> ummm.... Done?
[14:54] <vibhav> hello?
[14:54] <LjL> what?
[14:54] <vibhav> you know what
[14:54] <LjL> ok then i do
[14:55] <vibhav> what does that mean?
[14:55] <LjL> you know what it means
[14:55] <LjL> (i guess)
[14:55] <LjL> (just as much as i know what, anyway)
[14:55] <vibhav> (In simple words , Am I unbanned?
[14:55] <ikonia> no
[14:55] <Pici> vibhav: Were you dealing with any particular op in.. nevermind
[14:56] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:56] <vibhav> :*(
[14:56] <ikonia> vibhav: I'm sorry, but I keep having to ask you to do things 10 times, and you still keep coming back, despite being warned that...
[14:56] <ikonia> oh, he's gone
[14:58] <Pici> But we have rww in his place.
[14:58] <oCean> when not logged in, bantracker says    Join #ubuntu-ops on irc.freenode.net to descuss bans
[14:58] <ikonia> I'll take that
[14:58] <oCean> now descuss
[15:10] <rww> Pici: and now you don't!
[17:03] <micahg> my apologies for idling
[17:09] <Sug> sorry ops
[17:09] <Sug> forgive me plz
[17:10] <Pici> Sug: I think we've been through this already.
[17:10] <Sug> no i don't want to unbanned on ubuntu
[17:10] <Sug> i say sorry for my behaviour
[17:11] <Sug> sorry
[17:12] <Pici> maco: taowa has been asking about a cloak for at least two hours now.
[17:13] <maco> oh
[17:13] <Pici> I'd assume that #freenode told him to wait 2 weeks, as he hasn't gotten one there after asking and speaking to a staffer in private.
[18:31] <vibhav> hey ikonia I have a reason why I gave those Links....
[18:32] <vibhav> hi guys
[18:32] <ikonia> vibhav: sorry what ?
[18:32] <vibhav>  I have a reason why I gave those Links....
[18:32] <ikonia> errrrr, it's a bit late now
[18:32] <vibhav> ikonia, Listen for now
[18:32] <ikonia> no thanks
[18:32] <ikonia> you had no reason at the time
[18:33] <vibhav> ikonia, I thought about it
[18:33] <vibhav> ikonia, I was too tense at that time
[18:33] <ikonia> I'm not really interested to be honest
[18:33] <ikonia> yes, I'm not interested
[18:33] <ikonia> at the time you where just posting random links, it got you banned
[18:33] <vibhav> ikonia, I was not posting random links
[18:33] <ikonia> taking 4 days to think it over and come up with an excuse is of no interest to me
[18:34] <vibhav> ikonia, You gave sahip a hcl list , but I was willing to give sahip best hardware
[18:34] <vibhav> ikonia, for linux
[18:34] <ikonia> you even admit you hadn't read the links, so I'm not sure why you're even trying to come up with an excuse
[18:34] <ikonia> vibhav: please stop wasting my time with excuses, you hadn't read the links, and just posted them out to a user
[18:34] <ikonia> I asked you to stop 2 more times and you did it again
[18:34] <ikonia> lets not go through this again
[18:35] <vibhav> The link did not tell what hardware to buy , but it recommended what vendors what it should use
[18:35] <ikonia> please stop
[18:35] <ikonia> the links where useless and you admitted you hadn't even read them
[18:35] <ikonia> so please stop trying to justify it now, it shows how much you've missed the point of why you where banned
[18:35] <vibhav> they were not
[18:36] <vibhav> And I came to know my NAS uses the same hardware...
[18:36] <ikonia> ok - so a hardware compatability list for the first version of the 2.6 kernel from 2004 is valid now ?
[18:36] <ikonia> is that what you're saying
[18:37] <vibhav> The Link did not say buy a "ABC" Harddisk or a "XYZ" CPU , But it recommended to buy Hardware from "ABC" Company
[18:37] <ikonia> and I'm not sure how you can say you used those links to buy your nas as you said the other day you didn't even read the links
[18:37] <Pici> Its fine to say that you don't know when someone asks a question. You don't need to try to find information that you may not understand and throw it at the user.
[18:37] <ikonia> Pici: exactly,
[18:37]  * Pici will now let ikonia handle the rest
[18:37] <ikonia> if you don't know the answer, just don't offer info
[18:37] <ikonia> Pici: no, you're spot on
[18:38] <vibhav> I was just trying to be helpful
[18:38] <ikonia> posting random links to people that you've not even read just doesn't help
[18:38] <ikonia> vibhav: yes, but I had to ask you 3 times to stop, which ended up in a ban because you wouldn't stop
[18:38] <vibhav> And I said "hey sahip , you can refer to these : .........."
[18:38] <ikonia> but you CAN'T refer to them
[18:38] <ikonia> they are invalid
[18:39] <vibhav> And I DID NOT SAY "hey sahip , this is the best hardware......"
[18:39] <ikonia> one was from 2004 - hardware support has changed a lot since then
[18:39] <ikonia> you're not listening
[18:39] <ikonia> no-one said you did
[18:39] <ikonia> this is the other part of the problem
[18:39] <IdleOne> the point is not what you said but how irrelevant the info you gave was.
[18:39] <ikonia> you offered invalid/incorrect advice from a web page to someone looking for support
[18:39] <vibhav> No it was not incorrect
[18:39] <ikonia> if he had looked at purchasing hardware/had problems that link was incorrect
[18:39] <vibhav> It was partly correct
[18:39] <LjL> vibhav: how could you know? you hadn't READ it at the time
[18:40] <ikonia> it was not correct
[18:40] <IdleOne> 6.5 year old info on best hardware is hardly helpful
[18:40] <ikonia> you didn't even read them
[18:40] <ikonia> as LjL has just pointed out by typing faster
[18:40] <vibhav> LjL,  I am talking to ikonia  now
[18:40] <ikonia> vibhav: ljl is right though
[18:40] <vibhav> IdleOne, That goes  to you too
[18:40] <ikonia> you didn't read the links, so you didn't even know how valid it was
[18:40] <ikonia> vibhav: they are both correct
[18:40] <LjL> vibhav: and you're also going in circles, and this is annoying *me*
[18:41] <vibhav> ikonia,  I have somee sense to read , I read some bits which sounded good to me....
[18:41] <ikonia> you didn't read it
[18:41] <ikonia> you even admitted you didn't read it
[18:41] <ikonia> vibhav: look - take some time out and think about what you offer to people in #ubuntu
[18:41] <ikonia> I can change the ban in #ubuntu to a mute, so you can join the channel again and watch how others help
[18:42] <vibhav> ikonia, OK
[18:42] <ikonia> get an idea for how people offer advice they know, or if they offer research, it's checked out research (mostly)
[18:42] <ikonia> great
[18:43] <ikonia> vibhav: you can now join #ubuntu, but you won't be able to speak in the channel
[18:43] <ikonia> take some time to watch the info going past and how it applies to people asking questions
[18:43] <vibhav> ok
[18:43] <ikonia> vibhav: if people talk to you (as in this channel) please please, try to actually listen to the message they are giving you
[18:44] <ikonia> don't twist it around to try to justify your actions, it's ok to make mistakes or not know the answer
[18:44] <vibhav> As you wish
[18:44] <ikonia> ok, well I guess we are done here for the moment
[18:44] <vibhav> :*(
[18:44] <ikonia> if you'd like to leave this channel and join #ubuntu to observe, that would be great
[18:45] <vibhav> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[18:45] <ikonia> ooh, one moment, I may have missed a ban
[18:45] <ikonia> try now please
[18:46] <ikonia> LjL: thank you, I missed that
[18:46] <vibhav> thank you guys
[18:46] <ikonia> thank you
[18:47] <vibhav> I am unmute
[18:47] <ikonia> no, you're not
[18:47] <ikonia> you can't speak in the channel
[18:47] <vibhav> ohh.. thats fone then
[18:47] <vibhav> fine
[18:47] <ikonia> great
[18:48] <vibhav> If I prove that I will not do it again  can my ban be shortened
[18:48] <CarlFK> I am pretty sure it is not possible to prove future behavior
[18:48] <ikonia> there is no proof, as you can't speak, just take a little time to watch the channel
[18:49] <vibhav> pleaseeee.....
[18:49] <ikonia> vibhav: what did I say about not listening
[18:49] <ikonia> I told you what to do the other day, and you came in arguing your ban duration
[18:49] <vibhav> Unmute me for some time , and ill prove to you that I can really help....
[18:49] <ikonia> all you had to do is follow what you where told - the ban is your own fault and increased for your own problems
[18:49] <ikonia> follow the instructions you've been given
[18:50] <CarlFK> vibhav: do you have a launchpad account?
[18:50] <ikonia> take some time and follow the conversation in the channel
[18:50] <vibhav> CarlFK,  Yeah , and I have signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[18:50] <vibhav> And I am identified
[18:50] <CarlFK> vibhav: what is your lp username?
[18:50] <CarlFK> I am curious what you participate in
[18:51] <vibhav>  email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:51] <vibhav> and username at the ubuntu fourms is infinitybot
[18:52] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/~vibhavp  is this you?
[18:52] <vibhav> wait
[18:52] <vibhav> slow internet
[18:52] <vibhav> yeah this is my account
[18:53] <CarlFK> k. thanks.
[18:53] <vibhav> why did you want to know that CarlFK ?
[18:54] <CarlFK> I am curious what you participate in
[18:54] <vibhav> I did not partcipate in anything , but I am working on my PPA
[18:55] <CarlFK> no problem.  my curiosity is satisfied.
[18:55] <CarlFK> I suggest you part this channel.
[18:56] <vibhav> OK , I Respect your decisions ,
[18:56] <vibhav> Bye
[19:02] <ikonia> for someone needing his ban removed so quickly he then quit
[21:27] <Magizian> I completely revamped the magizian underground today.. if interested in new developments, browse http://magizian.hopto.org
[21:27] <Pici> uh
[21:27] <hypatia> ban?
[21:28] <Pici> Did they do it elsewhere too?
[21:32] <ikonia> idiot
[21:33] <Tm_T> how rude
[21:33] <ikonia> sorry, but it's the truth
[21:34] <ikonia> this guy keeps joining, making these statments and parting
[21:34] <hypatia> yeah it's just kinda odd
[21:34] <hypatia> hence the suggestion to ban :)
[22:50] <rww> !away > Githz|away
[23:39] <elky> IdleOne, your fanclub called.
[23:39] <IdleOne> my fanclub?
[23:40] <IdleOne> I think that was more about getting staff attention.


[00:13] <slangasek> sarnold: well, in fact I just build libgit2-glib 0.26.4 against the new libgit2 here
[00:14] <slangasek> no porting required for the new libgit2, just porting of the packaging
[00:16] <slangasek> sarnold: no, my mistake, I'm apparently running 'debuild -S' and not noticing
[00:19] <sarnold> slangasek: dang, "no work necessary" would probabl yhave been a nice gift for chrisccoulson :)
[00:29] <slangasek> sarnold: and if it involved a one-liner patch, what kind of gift is that? :)
[00:30] <sarnold> slangasek: hrm, it might seem a bit small if we try to give it together, I guess I'll have to find something else to give him.. :)
[01:24] <sarnold> slangasek,chrisccoulson, should python3.5 have 'leaked' to trusty? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.5
[01:54] <tsimonq2> slangasek: gilir is no longer a member of the Lubuntu project; I noticed that he's still CCed on Lubuntu ISO FTBFS emails but it would be good to know if there's anything else to clean up.
[01:55] <tsimonq2> Ref: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2018-May/001181.html
[03:20] <tsimonq2> Oh yay, so the image still fails, but it's something actually somewhat tackleable.
[03:21] <tsimonq2> Errors encountered while processing: <a bunch of cups and printer stuff>
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[04:25] <doko> nice, openmpi finally migrated ...
[04:25] <doko> slangasek: please re-enable the auto-imports from debian again
[04:26] <doko> jbicha: time for some mass uploads again ;)
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[07:24] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, mariadb without jmalloc seems to be not hanging anymore
[07:24] <LocutusOfBorg> lets upload
[07:25] <LocutusOfBorg> *please enable autosync* :)
[07:27] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, is boost 1.62 syncable?
[07:29] <LocutusOfBorg> if fpermissive was a build fix, debian has a python3.7 patch... lets sync
[07:55]  * LocutusOfBorg did sync some perl leaf packages, and sphinx, so we don't waste autopkgtests time when autosync opens again
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[11:11] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: The normal command: autopkgtest --apt-upgrade --shell-fail --apt-pocket=proposed=src:pinentry pinentry -- qemu autopkgtest-cosmic-i386.img
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[19:14] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: autosync reenabled
[19:30] <tsimonq2> nwin 44
[19:30] <tsimonq2> whoops
[20:15] <tsimonq2> infinity: Bump on merging that MP.
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[00:01] <wxl> billybob: you installed the drivers?
[00:01] <billybob> Yes. When I installed the linux drivers, I had the printer contacted to the laptop using the usb cable.
[00:02] <wxl> that may be the problem but i don't know
[00:02] <wxl> honestly seems like more of a question for canon
[00:02] <billybob> Oops. "Connected" to the laptop using the usb cable.
[00:03] <wxl> unlike a lot of other printer manufacturers they actually seem to support using it on linux so i'd use them
[00:03] <billybob> ok, I'll try Cannon. Thanks.
[04:36] <asdfasdfas> Hey #lubuntu. Wondering if anyone can spare me some time? I've gone down quite a rabbit hole. Starts at python complaining: "ImportError: No module named '_tkinter'" and ends with a seemingly circular dependency in upgrading to 17.10 (I'm at 16.10)
[21:59] <GoopAway> The mouse scroll wheel doesn't work with Firefox pages on my Lubuntu machine. Any fixes?


[21:33] <SIRprise> hi. i'm using ultimate edition (because my laptop has 855gm-graphic and driver is included there). is there a way to include a battery widget?


[00:05] <hatch> huwshimi so do you have enough work for today without any of the scale up stuff?
[00:05] <huwshimi> hatch: Yep, I think so.
[00:05] <hatch> awesome
[04:57] <urulama> huwshimi: morning
[04:57] <rogpeppe> urulama, huwshimi: hiya
[04:58] <urulama> rogpeppe: hehe, early bird
[04:58] <rogpeppe> urulama: :-) happens sometimes
[04:58] <rogpeppe> urulama: :-) happens sometimes
[05:04] <huwshimi> rogpeppe, urulama: Morning :)
[05:41] <urulama> wow, hp helion registration process is, well, could be easier :D
[08:01] <urulama> morning frankban
[08:02] <frankban> hi urulama
[08:43] <urulama> is it possible to get more info then: "ERROR couldn't read the environment"?
[08:44] <urulama> been editing env.yaml for hpcloud and now whatever i do, even remove all entries in hpcloud: section still gives me this error
[08:48] <urulama> found error
[08:49] <urulama> so, parsing of env.yaml fails if there is an empty line with a tab (\t) at the beginning. this is probably known, right
[09:15] <rogpeppe> urulama: was there no more descriptive error than "couldn't read the environment". That seems like a bug - it should at least say that it found an illegal character.
[09:16] <rogpeppe> urulama: ah yes, that does look wrong
[09:16] <rogpeppe> 	environments, err := environs.ReadEnvirons("")
[09:16] <rogpeppe> 	if err != nil {
[09:16] <rogpeppe> 		return errors.New("couldn't read the environment")
[09:16] <rogpeppe> 	}
[09:17] <rogpeppe> it should be: return fmt.Errorf("couldn't read the environment: %v", err)
[09:17] <urulama> rogpeppe: i'll file a bug, it should state that tabs are not allowed and where the error happened (as you've written)
[09:18] <rogpeppe> urulama: i suggest proposing a fix that does what i suggested
[09:19] <rogpeppe> urulama: with that change, the error becomes:
[09:19] <rogpeppe> ERROR couldn't read the environment: cannot parse "/home/rog/.juju/environments.yaml": YAML error: found character that cannot start any token
[09:20] <rogpeppe> which i think you'll agree is a little better, even if it doesn't mention the line number or actual character that triggered the problem
[09:20] <urulama> rogpeppe: that's a bit better, agree
[09:21] <rogpeppe> frankban: you up for continuing on the API spec?
[09:22] <frankban> rogpeppe: yes, I'll be ready in a few minutes
[09:34] <frankban> rogpeppe: I am in the hangout
[11:37] <bac> morning frankban and rogpeppe. i am unexpectedly here today.
[11:37] <rogpeppe> bac: unexpected welcome, then!
[11:37] <frankban> bac: morning
[11:37] <bac> thank you
[11:40] <bac> frankban: azure change to qs looks good.  i'll do qa now.
[11:41] <frankban> bac: thanks, if you updated to juju-core 1.20 you will likely find that the new juju breaks quickstart
[11:42] <bac> frankban: i have not yet, i don't think.  how does it break? is there a card for that?
[11:42] <bac> frankban: i have 1.18.1.  i can qa with that
[11:43] <frankban> bac: cool, please QA with 1.18, I'll create a card and look at it later
[11:43] <bac> frankban: i can look at the card if you like
[11:43] <frankban> bac: there is a backward incompatible change in the mega-watcher for machines
[11:59] <frankban> bac: I am going to grab some food now. After your QA, could you please try to dupe the bug using 1.20? You should be able to do that by just trying "juju quickstart" in a local env. You should see a KeyError: u'NetworkScope' while juju is provisioning a machine for the GUI. If you are able to confirm the problem, AFAICT we should involve rbasak because this regression affects the distro quickstart.
[11:59] <bac> frankban: my first QA attempt with your azure branch has failed.  will try again.  does not look to be related.
[11:59] <frankban> bac: ok thanks
[12:01] <urulama> frankban: 1.19.4 has the same NetworkScope error?
[12:01] <urulama> frankban: with juju-quickstart on local env
[12:03] <rogpeppe> bac: the API proposal has changed quite a bit since yesterday, if you want to take another look
[12:04] <bac> rogpeppe: thanks, i will in a bit
[12:22] <frankban> urulama: did not try juju dev, if you have 1.19 installed you can easily dupe
[12:22] <frankban> bac: what error are you encountering?
[12:24] <bac> frankban: second QA worked
[12:24] <frankban> bac: cool
[12:24] <bac> frankban: first time there was a timeout trying to ssh to machine 0
[12:24] <bac> frankban: more likely azure weirdness or my local connection
[12:25] <frankban> bac: ok, this seems unrelated to quickstart
[12:25] <frankban> bac: yeah
[12:25] <bac> yes
[12:25] <bac> frankban: i marked it qa-ok
[12:25] <urulama> frankban: i mean, i do get the same error on 1.19.4
[12:25] <bac> well, i mean to.  i've actually pressed the button now
[12:26] <frankban> urulama: cool thanks for confirming
[12:28] <frankban> bac: thanks for the review, merging it. Working on the new card. I am starting to think we should really prioritize quickstart CI with current stable and development versions of juju. This would also help preventing other accidental public API changes like this
[12:30] <bac> frankban: prob a good idea
[12:30] <bac> frankban: prevented the change or just given us early warning?
[12:31] <bac> frankban: i mean was their api change really accidental and we just spotted or was it intentional and we didn't know it was coming?
[12:36] <frankban> bac: IIRC we consider API v0 to be the one in 1.18. I assume a change to the public API to be accidental. A quickstart test in these cases would not prevent the change to land, but would surely prevent it to be released
[12:36] <frankban> bac: filed 1337831
[12:36] <bac> frankban: right
[12:36] <frankban> bug 1337831
[12:36] <_mup_> Bug #1337831: Quickstart crashes when used with juju 1.20 <juju-quickstart:In Progress by frankban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337831>
[12:37] <frankban> rbasak: for when you are available: ^^^
[12:37] <bac> frankban: are we the only consumers of that API?  i mean, should we fix QS to adapt or will there be larger fallout meaning juju-core should revert?
[12:39] <frankban> bac: I am quite sure the GUI does not get unit addresses from MachineInfo yet, so it should not be affected. Not sure about other consumers. The problem is that we now have this released. Maybe we should raise the problem with juju devs
[12:40] <bac> frankban: yeah, i'll bet william would be interested.  curtis too, but he's prob not here today.
[12:43] <frankban> bac: pinged him in #juju-dev
[12:49] <rbasak> frankban: thanks. After it happened the first time I'm making sure to test both juju-core and juju-quickstart together before uploading, and this is an MRE requirement for Trusty now, too.
[12:49] <rbasak> frankban: so I'll make sure that juju-core doesn't hit the archive without juju-quickstart also working with it.
[12:50] <rbasak> frankban: I guess I need a fix for juju-quickstart first, then, though I don't know that I'll get to doing it today anyway, so no panic for you guys.
[12:51] <frankban> rbasak: cool thanks, I am working on the quickstart fix right now
[12:53] <bac> frankban: i can reproduce the bug with 1.20, fwiw
[12:54] <frankban> bac: thank you
[12:55] <bac> frankban: should we plan on a qs release today?
[12:56] <frankban> bac: it would be great, 1.4.1
[12:56] <bac> frankban: i'll make a card
[12:56] <frankban> thanks
[12:59] <rbasak> frankban: I'm interested to know whether the fix will be backwards compatible with older Juju. I'm not sure it matters to be either way, but will probably be useful for me to know.
[12:59] <frankban> rbasak: it will be backward compatible
[13:01] <rbasak> Cool!
[13:24] <frankban> bac: could you please take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/111860043 ?
[13:26] <bac> frankban: sure
[13:26] <frankban> thanks
[13:29] <frankban> rogpeppe: ready when you are back
[13:47] <bac> frankban: done
[13:48] <frankban> bac: thanks
[13:55] <bac> frankban: if you merge your 1.20 fix i'll do the release
[13:55] <frankban> bac: merged
[13:56] <bac> ty
[13:58] <frankban> rbasak: I merged the fix for bug 1337831. Now we are working to make a new 1.4.1 release
[13:58] <_mup_> Bug #1337831: Quickstart crashes when used with juju 1.20 <juju-quickstart:Fix Committed by frankban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337831>
[14:10] <rbasak> frankban: great, thanks!
[14:39] <hatch> man testing UI interactions is such a pita
[14:50] <hatch> jujugui call in 10
[14:57] <hatch> urulama jrwren friday's use a different room than the rest of the week so you'll want to click the link in the calendar for the call today
[14:58] <hatch> jujugui call in 2
[14:59] <urulama> hatch: this one? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/cmljay5oYXJkaW5nQGNhbm9uaWNhbC5jb20.t3m5giuddiv9epub48d9skdaso
[14:59] <bac> urulama: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/cmljay5oYXJkaW5nQGNhbm9uaWNhbC5jb20.t3m5giuddiv9epub48d9skdaso
[15:00] <hatch> rogpeppe you coming?
[15:21] <rogpeppe> frankban: i'm back in the hangout, BTW
[15:21] <hatch> jujugui https://gist.github.com/087d9e30e3eb92a46657 runWhenCalled
[15:23] <frankban> rogpeppe: joining
[15:23] <frankban> hatch: looks good
[15:23] <hatch> frankban so simple yet solves so many problems!! heh
[15:23] <frankban> cool
[15:25] <hatch> frankban I updated the gist with usage
[15:27] <hatch> hmm I think I have a better update
[16:28] <frankban> bac: would you like to take another look at the final apiv4 spec before we send it out for discussion?
[16:59] <bac> hi frankban, just back from lunch.  will look now.
[16:59] <frankban> bac: thanks
[17:00] <bac> frankban: i cannot edit nor make comments on that doc
[17:03] <bac> rogpeppe: ^^
[17:05] <frankban> bac: it's set to "People at Canonical who have the link can edit"
[17:05] <frankban> need to go now, have a good weekend all!
[17:07] <bac> sorry frankban, the card is linked to https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1wkgLrSZRcpz7zv5Sfc-lh21OZaYui-PhPolpedpWlCI/edit
[17:07] <bac> but that's the wrong doc
[17:08] <bac> rogpeppe: is this the correct document for your API proposal? https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1wkgLrSZRcpz7zv5Sfc-lh21OZaYui-PhPolpedpWlCI/edit
[17:09] <rogpeppe> bac: here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ILHRpOe-qDlmjxHBbLUea7InDpehx5_roJ1ynZmcZDc/edit
[17:09] <bac> rogpeppe: please fix the link in the kanban card
[17:09] <rogpeppe> ah
[17:24] <bac> rogpeppe: is this a typo: GET meta/color?id=djang
[17:24] <bac> rogpeppe: or are you doing partial match on charm names?
[17:24] <rogpeppe> bac: typo
[17:24] <bac> yay
[17:24] <bac> rogpeppe: fixed
[17:25] <bac> rogpeppe: is meta/color new?
[17:25] <rogpeppe> bac: yes
[17:28] <hatch> oh man this new addition to the test suite is so nice
[17:29] <hatch> updated the gist https://gist.github.com/hatched/087d9e30e3eb92a46657
[17:31] <bac> rogpeppe: the doc looks good.  the examples you added are nice and help clarify things.
[17:34] <rogpeppe> bac: cool, thanks
[17:41] <hatch> so I need to load the css into the test suite to make these tests work, but that breaks many other tests..hmmm
[18:12] <hatch> hmm new addition does not scale well
[18:12] <hatch> need to rethink this
[18:58] <bac> hey hatch
[18:58] <hatch> ahoy
[18:58] <bac> hatch: you have a precise machine available?
[18:59] <hatch> umm....
[18:59] <hatch> one sec
[19:00] <hatch> bac I do
[19:00] <bac> hatch: could you upgrade juju to 1.20 and see if you can bootstrap a local env?
[19:01] <hatch> ok firing it up
[19:02] <hatch> it'll be a bit
[19:02] <hatch> I'll report back
[19:21] <hatch> bac 1.17.7 is the highest I can get for some reason
[19:21] <hatch> you sure they released 1.2 for precise?
[19:22] <bac> hatch: it may be in ppa:juju/stable
[19:22] <bac> hatch: but i discovered i'm hitting this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1316174
[19:22] <_mup_> Bug #1316174: 'precise-updates/cloud-tools' is invalid for APT::Default-Release <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316174>
[19:22] <hatch> ahh
[19:23] <hatch> yeah I see it in the package list
[19:23] <hatch> but it's not installing it
[19:24] <hatch> yeah who knows....
[19:24] <hatch> shall I spend more time on it? We could also spin up an ec2 instance
[19:24] <hatch> I think that still has precise
[19:32] <hatch> bac so you ok, or would you like me to keep on it?
[19:36] <bac> hatch: nm
[19:36] <hatch> ok sounds good
[19:37] <hatch> btw I ended up getting the nvidia drivers working on my MBP - now to figure out if I can use them to turn off the discrete card and just use the iris gpu
[19:37] <bac> hatch: unless you can translate comment #2 from that bug report into something actionable.  i cannot.
[19:38] <hatch> bac, add more package repositories? :)
[19:38] <bac> shouldn't the metapackage juju-local do that?  if not wtf does it do?
[19:38] <hatch> that's what I thought
[19:39] <hatch> tbh I have no idea how their packaging is set up
[19:53] <hatch__> The power just went out here and it's going to be a while before it comes back, so have a good weekend everyone
[21:45] <hatch> yay power