[00:00] <Mulder911> i wanted to update to 12.04 and after this i reboot the system choose the new kernel
[00:00] <Mulder911> ok 1 sec
[00:00] <pepee> bekks, was, he said he is not running that kernel
[00:00] <MonkeyDust> Mulder911  type ps -e|less <-- which has number 88 ?
[00:00] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, Is that what is on the usb, you want it clean to start with, no hidden trash with stuff in it either.
[00:01] <bekks> pepee: Then how can we investigate what is causing that error...?
[00:01] <pepee> I suppose it means, the PID will not necessarily be the same
[00:01] <pepee> bekks, reading the logs, it should say what process was this
[00:01] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, no thats my home directory, but its not the problem as mini.iso loads just fine, i think its not mounting cause its on another partition that is mounted as well
[00:01] <pepee> bekks, at least that's what a bit of googling shows
[00:02] <Mulder911> on this kernel i don`t see pid88
[00:02] <pepee> google  "/proc/*/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/*/oom_score_adj"
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, Drag it to your desktop and mount it there.
[00:02] <pepee> Mulder911, in a terminal, type:   grep -n "oom_adj is deprecated" /var/log/*
[00:02] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, that was my thoughts as well
[00:02] <Mulder911> /var/log/kern.log:751:Oct 31 00:46:10 bt kernel: [    1.631658] udevd (92): /proc/92/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/92/oom_score_adj instead.
[00:03] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, that failed as well
[00:03] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, I always reformat the usb as well each time to be sure it is clean, if I do a load this way.
[00:04] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, the usb is freshly formatted
[00:04] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, So what is the actual failure?
[00:04] <bekks> Mulder911: So which process is PID 92?
[00:04] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, the iso wont mount
[00:05] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, opening it with archive manager and can see the contents from there
[00:05] <pepee> Mulder911, in the terminal, type:   grep -n "Linux version" /var/log/kern.log
[00:05] <pepee> bekks, PID 92
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, Not even with a right click on it then clicking on open with archive mounter
[00:05] <pepee> bekks, PID 92 is udevd
[00:05] <Mulder911> 4:Oct 31 00:46:10 bt kernel: [    0.000000] Linux version 3.2.6 (root@bt) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #1 SMP Fri Feb 17 10:34:20 EST 2012
[00:05] <Mulder911> 816:Oct 31 01:05:54 bt kernel: [    0.000000] Linux version 3.2.6 (root@bt) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #1 SMP Fri Feb 17 10:34:20 EST 2012
[00:05] <Mulder911> 1672:Oct 31 19:14:47 bt kernel: [    0.000000] Linux version 3.2.6 (root@bt) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #1 SMP Fri Feb 17 10:34:20 EST 2012
[00:05] <Mulder911> 2543:Nov  1 00:19:12 bt kernel: [    0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32-44-generic (buildd@allspice) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5.1) ) #98-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 24 17:27:10 UTC 2012 (Ubuntu 2.6.32-44.98-generic <IP_ADDRESS>+drm33.24)
[00:05] <FloodBot1> Mulder911: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:06] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, thats how ive been trying to do it, atm i have it open in archive manager
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, Do you se all the files?
[00:08] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, as far as i can tell i do, have had a problem opening any of the folders
[00:08] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, If you see all the files like I posted, the the exstract should run it just takes a bit to do it I just ran it, about 8-1o min I think.
[00:08] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, trying it again
[00:08] <pepee> Mulder911, try upgrating now and see it if installs a new kernel, I suppose this should solve it
[00:09] <Mulder911> so upgrade one more time
[00:09] <pepee> Mulder911, yes. AFAIK 3.2.6 is not the latest kernel in 12.04.1
[00:09] <Mulder911> ok
[00:09] <Mulder911> i`ll try
[00:09] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, of course this time it finishes in 40 seconds
[00:10] <pepee> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:10] <bekks> Which will not upgrade the kernel.
[00:10] <pepee> bekks, what's the current kernel in 12.04?
[00:10] <Mulder911> i`m upgrading with kpackagekit
[00:11] <bekks> pepee: No 12.04 handy here, maybe you can take alook at packages.ubuntu.com
[00:11] <pepee> bekks, why do you say it will not upgrade the kernel?
[00:12] <bekks> pepee: Because thats the truth. apt-get will keep back kernel packages. You have to update them explicitely.
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, What I have found with the W7 ISO is that it is locked unless mounted that is probably why, I'm not sure of other ways to mount it, I have been using the usb loader I posted for a coulple of years now and have not had to do it this way. I know it works though has everytime I did in the past. YOu might just install the multisystem loader and use it
[00:13] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, i hope this works, ive got 2 hours to try and get my girls laptop back to working condition. i thought gparted was still simulating and hit cancel, man was i wrong
[00:13] <pepee> bekks, dist-upgrade does that for you
[00:14] <bekks> pepee: Yes, and we were talking about apt-get upgrade ;)
[00:14] <pepee> but... 3.2.6 is not from the repos, is it?
[00:14] <bekks> The 12.04 kernel version is 3.2.0-xyz
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, Hehe not the person to disappoint. ;)
[00:15] <bekks> pepee: Nope, it isnt.
[00:16] <pepee> bekks, I was talking about upgrade, generically. I always use dist-upgrade, so I don't know much about other package managers
[00:16] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, yeah specially not after shes been at work most of the day while i get to sit around the house
[00:16] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, hehe you are in deep dodo now. ;)
[00:17] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, unless magic happens and the next 2 hours go flawlessly (never in my lifetime)
[00:19] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, I clone all my installs, you might do this after you are setup with clonezilla.
[00:19] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, clonezilla is what ruined my windows installation in the first place
[00:20] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, If I remember you cloned it to a ext4 right?
[00:20] <SillyTalker> how can i use a .htaccess for my phpmyadmin directory ?
[00:20] <SillyTalker> i tried enabling override all in /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf
[00:20] <SillyTalker> didnt help
[00:21] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, and then did it again (hadnt deleted the original partition yet) on a fresh ntfs partition
[00:21] <SillyTalker> i tried a bunch of other stuff which didn't help
[00:21] <SillyTalker> and now i kindof gave up and figured i'd ask on IRC
[00:21] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, which is when i was told to delete the original because it kept booting that instead of the new one
[00:21] <Tiffany_Backer> firefox version 16.0.2 always ask for zip code on google shop and ebay how to save my zip ????
[00:22] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, only to find out the new one failed to boot cause it wasnt in the same location
[00:22] <scatterp> hi i am trying to set up a dhcpd and i have become a little lost i think i have one running but no idea which one it is and no matter what i do the windows box on the other end of the wire seems to get an ip of <IP_ADDRESS> how can i work out where its getting it from ?
[00:22] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, I have never had clonezilla fail, but I follow some rules, I have the windows fully defragged to the front of the disc and make sure in general it is good shape by running a chkdsk every so often on it
[00:22] <brzJunior> Hi, i need a little hand to help me get back system sound on ubuntu 11.10, can anyone help me? After i tried to install google gadgets, my sound device doesnt work correctly
[00:23] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, Lots of other cloners though.
[00:24] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, as far as i know windows checks to make sure the hardware hasnt changed and when it detects a major change it requires re-activation
[00:24] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, all my old discs ended up getting trashed when i moved
[00:25] <WeThePeople> how do i make ubuntu into its own proxy
[00:27] <SillyTalker> hi, i use phpmyadmin on ubuntu 12.04, and i want to use a .htaccess in my phpmyadmin dir, but it doesn't seem to work, i set AllowOverride All for the dir in /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf
[00:27] <brzJunior> Why i cant access sound configuration on my Ubuntu 11.10?!?
[00:27] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, That is in system changes if the update reading is really far off I have only seen that one time with a XP setup. I have W7 pro and it has unlimited images that can be made although it will overwrite the last one if saved in the same place. I don't really use windows much, but I keep it squeaky clean with bleachbit and defragging and some other apps to have it in good shape and I have no problem just throwing in a fresh install o
[00:27] <wilee-nilee> nce in awhile.
[00:29] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, right but i was attempting to move it to a new hard drive, ive never been able to do that without having to use the rescue disc afterwards
[00:30] <SillyTalker> anyone?
[00:32] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, im seeing lots of topics online where several people have done it, sadly its not been my luck
[00:33] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, You will need the recovery if the mbr is not saved, clonezilla saves the mbr, that is why I like it.
[00:34] <wilee-nilee> If the mbr has grub there though you will need to reload it if the linux install is not included.
[00:34] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, it wasnt on the first partition, the mbr was over-written by grub.
[00:38] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, and somehow i just ran out of space on a 4GB drive, told ya luck isnt in my bag of tricks
[00:38] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, nautilus tells me i got 1GB left on the drive.... GRRRR
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, Did you show the hidden files and makes sure there was nothing there, if you were finally loading it with the ISO?
[00:41] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, i was copying files from the extracted directory, one file said something about no space left on the disk, splicing error or something
[00:42] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, im formating it to fat32 now and gonna try the multiboot tool
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, cool good luck the windows will be in the grub4 choice of the grub menu I believe, you have to look for it
[00:43] <Titomen> any idea how to install create ubuntu on sofware raid and LVM
[00:44] <SillyTalker> nobody that ever did this? :s
[00:44] <wilee-nilee> with that usb loader it does not just show in the main grub menu you will see. XiaolinDraconis
[00:44] <SillyTalker> hi, i use phpmyadmin on ubuntu 12.04, and i want to use a .htaccess in my phpmyadmin dir, but it doesn't seem to work, i set AllowOverride All for the dir in /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf
[00:44] <SillyTalker> i also tried to change /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[00:44] <SillyTalker> didn't work either
[00:45] <SillyTalker> i wasted almost 2 hours on this idiotic little problem
[00:45] <Mulder911> pepee?
[00:45] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, thanks for the heads up, and more bad luck coming my way, the device didnt show properly in gparted, so i chose to create a new msdos partition table, and its taking a long time
[00:45] <pepee> Mulder911,
[00:47] <Mulder911> is it possible that after upgrading ,starting system for the first time is going much slower?
[00:47] <d1gital> what's the proper way to update apache to 2.2.23?  the newest in repos is 2.2.22.
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: did you change release?
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> d1gital: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> d1gital: or you may find a PPA
[00:48] <Mulder911> i upgrade again but it was this same
[00:48] <Mulder911> but i found log
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: same release or did you change release (Precise to Quantal for example0?
[00:49] <pepee> Mulder911, could be, yes. by the way, where did you get that kernel, Mulder911 ?
[00:49] <Mulder911> i`m on the 2.6 at the moment which is working
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: what video chip  do you use?
[00:49] <Mulder911> radeon 6850
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: with proprietary video driver?
[00:50] <u4and> !triggers
[00:50] <Mulder911> wait i tell you where is the problem again
[00:50] <u4and> !arm
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: did you upgrade from Lucid to Precise by any chance?
[00:51] <SillyTalker> no response here and none in #phpmyadmin either :s
[00:51] <SillyTalker> am i really going to have to remove phpmyadmin because of this annoying problem? :s
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: what is the issue?
[00:51] <SillyTalker> hi, i use phpmyadmin on ubuntu 12.04, and i want to use a .htaccess in my phpmyadmin dir, but it doesn't seem to work, i set AllowOverride All for the dir in /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf
[00:52] <SillyTalker> ActionParsnip:
[00:52] <pepee> SillyTalker, ask in #apache ?
[00:52] <SillyTalker> pepee: i'll try thanks
[00:52] <pepee> SillyTalker, there are lots of web-dev related channels
[00:52] <Mulder911> i had sys with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel and after upgrading system made me another 3.2.6
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: so you upgraded Lucid to Precise? yes?
[00:53] <pepee> Mulder911, that's strange, ubuntu doesn't have 3.2.6 as far as I know
[00:53] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic precise
[00:54] <Mulder911> it`s Backtrack distro
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: 3.2.6 is a BackTrack kernel, Backtrack isn't supported here
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> Mulder911: ask in #backtrack-linux
[00:54] <Mulder911> ok
[00:54] <Mulder911> thx
[00:55] <ana_> hi, I have ubuntu 12.04 and I installed wine 1.5 to use spss19, the application appears, but i can not open it with linux or wine
[00:55] <ana_> what can i do?
[00:57] <HulkHogan> nothing
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> ana_: did you check the appdb for compatibility?
[00:57] <ana_> nope
[00:57] <ana_> what is that?
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> ana_: search, you'll find it
[00:57] <HulkHogan> might want to learn winetricks as well
[00:58] <ana_> where can i find it?
[00:58] <HulkHogan> google
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> ana_: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=appdb   too hard?
[00:58] <ana_> i'm just begging with ubuntu
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> ana_: even the simplest search gives the result
[00:58] <kisuke> is there any way to tell apt-get to use just 1 download thread?
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> ana_: yes but II'm VERY sure you have used the web to find out new stuff, yes?
[00:59] <ana_> ah yeah
[00:59] <ana_> sorry
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> ana_: so why stop now?
[00:59] <ana_> i'll look for it
[01:00] <ActionParsnip> ana_: instead of immediately asking 'what's that' try a little searching using the advise given
[01:00] <entombed> is there way to clsoe off a session of a dvd+r burn that didn't get closed off originally
[01:00] <SillyTalker> ok i'm getting rid of phpmyadmin
[01:00] <somsip> SillyTalker: what's the problem with it?
[01:00] <SillyTalker> talk to you guys later
[01:00] <HulkHogan> kisuke: think is apt-get download name
[01:00] <SillyTalker> somsip: can't seem to protect it's dir that's all
[01:01] <SillyTalker> with a .htaccess
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: its hardly crucia
[01:01] <SillyTalker> ActionParsnip: phpmyadmin in general is not crucial so
[01:01] <somsip> SillyTalker: what have you done to try to achieve that?
[01:01] <somsip> SillyTalker: or if you've decided to dump it...fair enough
[01:01] <SillyTalker> somsip: nothing i jsut want it as an extra layer
[01:01] <SillyTalker> yeah i've been messing with it for 2 hours
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: you can connect via SSH and run SQL commands there :)
[01:01] <SillyTalker> it's not worth that
[01:01] <SillyTalker> thanks for tryign to help anyway
[01:01] <somsip> SillyTalker: ok
[01:02] <C_Kode> Q:  I have Ubuntu 12.04.  I installed KDE plasma desktop using software center.  When in KDE, my VPN doesn't work
[01:02] <SillyTalker> ActionParsnip: i know lol
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: is there no PPA for it?
[01:02] <Guest67938> Hello, I've got a 16gb usb drive, i'm trying to make a casper-rw partition that is ~15gig and use that for persistance, rather than the fat32 4gb allocation.. I managed to make a seperate partition that was 15gb, and i had lots of space during the instance, but nothing persisted, did i miss a flag?
[01:02] <SillyTalker> not that i saw no
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: the SSH will be secure too
[01:02] <somsip> SillyTalker: if you want help, just let me know. Probably OT so msg may be better
[01:03] <SillyTalker> somsip, ok maybe later i'm just gonna take a break now
[01:03] <scatterp> can any one help me set up dhcpd on 12.04 ?
[01:03] <SillyTalker> thanks for the effort
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=phpmyadmin
[01:04] <SillyTalker> talk to you guys later
[01:04] <SillyTalker> oh
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: seems there is a PPA
[01:04]  * SillyTalker clicks
[01:04] <SillyTalker> ooooh
[01:04] <SillyTalker> i thought you meant a post on it
[01:04] <SillyTalker> about my prob
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> SillyTalker: that page is THE search ngine for PPAs........
[01:04] <SillyTalker> it's not worth posting for this it's just me being stupid most likely
[01:05] <SillyTalker> well i'm not going to add a ppa
[01:05] <SillyTalker> it's just me beign stupid lol
[01:05] <SillyTalker> anyway talk to you later
[01:05] <SillyTalker> i really need a break
[01:05] <SillyTalker> thanks for trying to help
[01:05] <FloodBot1> SillyTalker: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:07] <Gerowen> Is there no 32 bit release of Ubuntu Server 12.10?
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> Gerowen: sure
[01:08] <ana_> ok
[01:08] <ana_> thank u for ur kind help
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> Gerowen, http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> Gerowen: I'd go for Precise for a server, its LTS wheras Quantal isn't
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> +1 on precise
[01:09] <pepee> ana_, #winehq
[01:10] <Gerowen> ActionParsnip: I was considering that as well.  My old server desktop has kicked the bucket.  It will run for about 5 minutes, then the screen will go blank and the CPU fan will just start racing.  It was forgetting CMOS settings so I replaced the CMOS battery, but it's still doing it and the only other spare computer I have to turn into a replacement server only has a 32 bit processor.
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> Gerowen: have you tested RAM? Have you cleared the fans?
[01:11] <Gerowen> ActionParsnip: Haven't tested RAM, but it was fine before, I'll do that though.  The inside is emaculate though, I took it apart and did a good job cleaning it about once a month.
[01:12] <vfw> Gerowen: New Thermal grease?
[01:12] <avengre> Hello, i'm creating a Live USB drive on a 16gb drive, i'm trying to create a casper-rw partition (ext2) that is 15gb.  Is there anything I have to do to have the Ubuntu install use the casper-rw partition over the casper-rw file?
[01:13] <pepee> Gerowen, check temps, test memory, check disks, etc
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> Gerowen: thats good, check the RAM so you know its ok
[01:13] <Gerowen> vfw: Thought of that as well, especially since every couple of months I'd remove the heatsink and brush it out really good, and the thermal paste is wearing pretty thin.  It could any of a hundred things.
[01:13] <misterhk> I have a problem with vsync/tearing. I'm using Ubuntu 12.10, nvidia-current-updates driver, unity, and have 2 monitors. Main monitor is in portrait mode 1920x1200, second monitor is in portrait mode 1080x1920. There is only tearing on my main monitor, not on second. I've tried portrait portrait, portrait landscape, and landscape landscape, no vsync issuse on any of those configs. The tearing is only when in landscape portrait m
[01:13] <misterhk> ode, and only on main monitor. Any ideas?
[01:14] <Elesa> Hi, I'm getting a low space warning and I haven't saved any big file afaik, help?
[01:14] <pepee> avelldiroll, I'd ask in ##linux too
[01:14] <Elesa> It says that the device "Root filesystem" has only 800 MB free, then it said 500 something, now it says 20,5 kb
[01:14] <pepee> Elesa, df -h
[01:15] <Elesa> now only 8,0 kb
[01:15] <Elesa> ._.
[01:15] <pepee> Elesa, could it be temporal files and browsers cache?
[01:15] <Elesa> perhaps..
[01:15] <Elesa> I'm going to delete everything in /tmp
[01:15] <bekks> Nope.
[01:15] <pepee> are you watching videos in youtube?
[01:15] <vfw> Gerowen: Thermal grease should be replaced each time the heat sink is taken off and put back on.
[01:16] <bekks> Elesa: Please pastebin the output of "df -h"
[01:16] <Elesa> I am, I also recorded something with recordMyDesktop
[01:16] <bekks> !paste|elesa
[01:16] <Elesa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322320/
[01:16] <instantp10neer> what are the cpu hardware requirements for 12.10?  will a 3800+ 3gb do well?
[01:17] <u4and> anyone know anything about ubuntu on arm? got a gs3 i want to install into
[01:17] <wastrel> what's 3800+
[01:17] <instantp10neer> amd ahtlon64
[01:18] <u4and> instantp10neer: amd?
[01:18] <instantp10neer> 2.0ghz
[01:18] <instantp10neer> yes
[01:18] <bekks> Elesa: run: sudo apt-get clean   and pastebin df -h again please
[01:18] <Elesa> Ok.
[01:18] <instantp10neer> it is very slow with 1gb and i want to know if a ram upgrade will fix the performance or will it require an alternate cpu?
[01:18] <u4and> Athlon 64 X2 3800+ would be fine
[01:18] <instantp10neer> for x64?
[01:18] <snark> instantp10neer, yes you have more than enough  to run 12.10~
[01:18] <vfw> Elesa: It's not your /home partition that is full, it is /
[01:19] <instantp10neer> it is very slow at 1gb of ram
[01:19] <u4and> well, open a terminal, and type free -m, then paste to pastebin and link us
[01:19] <instantp10neer> is that normal?
[01:19] <Darm0k> hi
[01:19] <Elesa> yeah but I haven't installed any program that heavy besides recordMyDesktop and I had much more space some minutes ago
[01:19] <u4and> it could be several things instantp10neer, we need to quantify that
[01:19] <Darm0k> darmok and jalad at tanagra
[01:19] <vfw> Elesa: So what do you have installed?  Its 19G which SHOULD be enough.
[01:19] <u4and> recordmydesktop can keep going, and will take up lots of space if it does Elesa
[01:19] <snark> instantp10neer, only 1GB ram?    might be just barely enough     do you have swap partition as well?
[01:20] <vfw> Elesa: Did you run recordmydesktop as root?
[01:20] <u4and> snark, ubuntu runs fine with far less; try 128-256MB
[01:20] <Elesa> umm, nope
[01:20] <scatterp> can any one help me set up dhcpd ?
[01:20] <Elesa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322326/
[01:20] <snark> u4and     maybe if your not using X :P
[01:21] <Darm0k> shaka when the walls fell
[01:21] <u4and> heh
[01:21] <instantp10neer> no swap
[01:21] <vfw> Elspuddy-: cd / ; ls -lS |grep ^d   <will show directories sorted by size>
[01:21] <u4and> Elesa: sudo du -sch /tmp /var
[01:21] <u4and> er spose that worx too
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> instantp10neer: you could switch to LXDE and the desktop will use less RAM
[01:22] <instantp10neer> i have a 2gb ram upgrade inc
[01:22] <instantp10neer> no trouble if the cpu suffices
[01:22] <Darm0k> yeah i saw those poor ram dude in TRON
[01:22] <Elesa> ^
[01:22] <snark> Elesa,   your root partition is completely full   ie   100%  full   according to your patbin info
[01:22] <vfw> Elesa: lsb_release -a
[01:22] <pepee> Elesa, try removing temporal files from your browsers
[01:22] <Elesa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322332/
[01:22] <snark> Elesa,   your root partition is completely full   ie   100%  full   according to your paste*bin info
[01:23] <bekks> pepee: That will not help at all, because / is full, not /home
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> Elesa: can you pastebin the output of:  uname -a; dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[01:23] <pepee> ah yeah bekks , didn't see that
[01:23] <Elesa> That's the output of sudo du -sch /tmp /var
[01:23] <Elesa> so /tmp is full, must be recordMyDesktop's fault?
[01:23] <pepee> Elesa, to pastebin :  ps axuf
[01:23] <pepee> it will show a large list
[01:23] <Rootbrian> Anybody have any success getting cheese to even run?
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> Rootbrian: many do
[01:24] <Gerowen> Tried doing: apt-get clean ?
[01:24] <instantp10neer> Danke Schoen
[01:24] <Gerowen> Downloaded debs get held onto a lot of the time.
[01:24] <Rootbrian> For me, cheese doesn't run in 12.04 or 12.10.
[01:24] <instantp10neer> will c u tomorrow am :)
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> Rootbrian: if you run it in terminal, the output will give clues
[01:24] <pepee> Rootbrian, are you using kde?
[01:25] <Elesa> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322337/
[01:25] <Rootbrian> I'm at starbucks, away from my desktop and in here using jmirc.
[01:25] <vfw> Elspuddy-: That is quite possible.  cd /tmp/ ; ls -lS |grep ^d
[01:25] <vfw> Elesa: cd / ; ls -lS |grep ^d   <will show directories sorted by size>
[01:25] <Rootbrian> It's the standard ubuntu with unity, but I run fluxbox or the 2D gnome panel.
[01:25] <Darm0k> save water, shower with your girlfriend
[01:25] <Elesa> yeah /tmp is 9GB :c
[01:25] <ActionParsnip> Elesa: you may want to reboot to the newer kernel, then remove the other 2 kernels. You will get about 240Mb back
[01:26] <vfw> Elesa: cd /tmp/ ; du -s * | sort -n    <will list by file sizes, largest last>
[01:26] <pepee> Elesa, to pastebin, please :  ps axuf
[01:26] <Elesa> cd /tmp/
[01:26] <Elesa> oops lol
[01:26] <Rootbrian> Once I arrive home, I'll get some pastes going for cheese in both, maybe then the developers can correct it, or canonical can issue a fix to get it working.
[01:27] <Elesa> brb
[01:27] <Rootbrian> That aside, I'm loving the fact that 12.10 actually works on my ages old compaq evo desktop.
[01:27] <krunal> So im having trouble resolving a host name of a different computer. if i ping <hostname> it wont resolve
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> Rootbrian: the required hardware isn't very dfferent between releases
[01:28] <vfw> krunal: How about it's IP address?
[01:28] <Rootbrian> Krunal did you try connecting directly to the cable or dsl modem?
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> krunal: can you ping the IP?
[01:28] <krunal> vfw, IP address works
[01:28] <krunal> just not computer name
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> krunal: will the IP ever change?
[01:28] <pepee> krunal, checked /etc/resolv.conf ?
[01:28] <vfw> krunal: It's an issue with the router.
[01:28] <krunal> It's assigned by my router ...not static but it coud change
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> krunal: is the system's IP and name in the DHCP clients table?
[01:29] <krunal> let me check
[01:30] <Rootbrian> It's funny how 12.04 will turn my screen into a colorful blockaide full of pixels when resuming from standby. Instant kernel panic. Haven't tried 12.10 yet and I'm anxious to see if it successfully "resumes" when I get home.
[01:30] <krunal> actionparsnip: it does show in my table
[01:30] <vfw> krunal: Just use IP addresses
[01:31] <Rootbrian> Funny how ip addresses work instead of host names.
[01:31] <krunal> vfw, do i have to?
[01:31] <krunal> Yeah i know right
[01:31] <krunal> windows doesn't have this issue
[01:32] <krunal> btw windows 8 blows
[01:32] <Rootbrian> Router issues do plague me sometimes. Had to reboot mine twice and then it locked up due to DSL actually being down, cold boot fixed it.
[01:32] <Darm0k> rootbrian: thats the lysergic expression of the inner heart from your computer, thats why its so colorful
[01:32] <Rootbrian> Hitting that windows key + E will launch explorer, and clear that awful "start" screen menu.
[01:32] <snark> lsd   yum yum!
[01:33] <Rootbrian> DarmOk it's a great wallpaper. I'm going to snap a picture of it next time.
[01:34] <Gerowen> For those who suggested checking the RAM, I ran Memtest from the server install disc and after a few minutes I had a bunch of red on the screen, so I've re-seated my RAM and am running the test again.  Apparently the issue was bad RAM.
[01:34] <Rootbrian> Though I'll need the tripod to ensure it's not blurry to get an amazing 16mp shot of it.
[01:34] <Hemebond> If I want to put /tmp into RAM do I use
[01:34] <Hemebond> none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0
[01:34] <Hemebond> or
[01:34] <Hemebond> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777,nosuid 0 0
[01:34] <FloodBot1> Hemebond: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:34] <Hemebond> hai hai, FloodBot1
[01:34] <Darm0k> tmp in ram no
[01:34] <Darm0k> that SUCKS!
[01:35] <Hemebond> Why?
[01:35] <Rootbrian> As if bad ram wasn't bad enough, another of my computers I set up for my parents (xubuntu on it), it has 1.5 GB and it's mismatched with different speeds, but it runs fine. BIOS always complains each time.
[01:35] <Darm0k> use graphics mem instead
[01:36] <somsip> Hemebond: like this - tmpfs 		/tmp		tmpfs 	defaults,mode=1777,size=2g 		0 	0
[01:36] <vfw> krunal: I use a DD-WRT routers.  I set all of the PCs I need to access to static IPs and with corresponding host names in the router's config.  I use host-names that are short and make sense to me. easy-peasy
[01:36] <somsip> Hemebond: weird chars are tabs...
[01:36] <Hemebond> somsip: Thanks. If the first line no longer accurate?
[01:36] <somsip> Hemebond: not sure what you mean?
[01:36] <Hemebond> It apparently worked fine, so I'm wondering why the difference.
[01:37] <Darm0k> tempfs in mem, thats insane, the system just uses more swap
[01:37] <Hemebond> The first line uses filesystem none
[01:37] <somsip> Hemebond: no idea. That's what's ion mine and it's fine
[01:37] <Hemebond> somsip: Cool, thank you.
[01:37] <Hemebond> Darm0k: Why?
[01:37] <somsip> Hemebond: np
[01:37] <hfb> Anybody good with wirless lan cards? I am having trouble getting mine to connect to WPA2 internet connections.. Im running xubuntu on a IBM ThinkPad T41
[01:37] <XiaolinDraconis> wilee-nilee, ur a genius, that multisystem is pretty powerful
[01:37] <Darm0k> use temp on another free disk or clean up disk space
[01:37] <Dice-Man> tricks or treats ?
[01:37] <pepee> Darm0k, unless you don't have swap mem, and have lots of RAM
[01:38] <Darm0k> because you throw away memory
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> XiaolinDraconis, It is a keeper for sure. ;)
[01:38] <vfw> hfb: What seems to be the trouble?  NetworkManager not doing the job?
[01:38] <Darm0k> not anyone has 16 or 32gb machines
[01:38] <somsip> Darm0k: tmpfs grows to use what it needs. If there is 40MB in /tmp, only 40MB is used. And it depends a lot on how much RAM is in the PC
[01:38] <Hemebond> I have 16GiB of RAM.
[01:39] <Darm0k> i have 1.21 Jiggawatts of Power
[01:39] <Rootbrian> for those of us that has 1GB of ram, that wouldn't work.
[01:39] <vfw> hfb: Why don't you start by telling us what wireless card it is?  (What does lspci say about it?)
[01:39] <somsip> Rootbrian: it isn't a recommendation for everyone
[01:39] <pepee> Darm0k, that doesn't translate to RAM
[01:39] <pepee> you need to download it
[01:39] <Darm0k> pepee: no clue, ask dr doolittle
[01:39] <Rootbrian> somsip I know. :)
[01:40] <Darm0k> dr doolittle knows much about ram
[01:40] <nOStahl> hi all, im on 12.10 and empathy wont save nickserv password. how are you guys fixing that
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> nOStahl, By using hexchat
[01:40] <hfb> lspci?
[01:41] <Rootbrian> Chatzilla is a firefox addon, it saves passwords. I recommend it.
[01:41] <vfw> nOStahl: That is an issue between IRC and your Client app.
[01:41] <nOStahl> vfw its an ubuntu issue as they chose to package it :)
[01:41] <Rootbrian> I believe pidgin works with IRC.
[01:41] <nOStahl> that said, ive not had any issues with empathy for the years i've been using it.
[01:41] <vfw> nOStahl: If you use irssi, see http://irssi.org/documentation
[01:41] <Darm0k> i use xchat, but i don't know why
[01:42] <vfw> try irssi
[01:42] <Rootbrian> Reasons being, I'm skipping 12.10. The LTS is better suited. ;)
[01:42] <nOStahl> bit of a wait for the next lts
[01:43] <Rootbrian> I'm fine with waiting. As long as 12.04 is good and I can deal with a non-functioning cheese, I'm cool.
[01:43] <nOStahl> cheese works for me on 12.04
[01:44] <vfw> nOStahl: Yea, it's almost time to upgrade, but not yet.... IMHO
[01:44] <Rootbrian> Mine gets the crash message from apport all the time and never runs.
[01:45] <Rootbrian> Maybe it hates the 12 year old computer I love.
[01:46] <snark> Rootbrian, 12 year old eh   what is a 386?
[01:46] <vfw> nOStahl: Rootbrian (...from 10.04 to 12.04 ...)
[01:46] <jagginess> snark, he said his computer is 12 years old. You must be 12.
[01:46] <Rootbrian> p4, 3.06 GHz, 533MHz FSB, 1GB SD DDR RAM @ 133 Mhz
[01:47] <snark> jagginess, you must be unable to read
[01:47] <jagginess> Rootbrian, that sure is quite outta date :).. upgrade!
[01:47] <vfw> snark: Amazing observation abilities
[01:47] <Rootbrian> it's faster than most dual/quad cores. :D
[01:47] <jagginess> snark, sarcasm double fails.. go take a hike punk.
[01:48] <bazhang> jagginess, and snark thats enough
[01:48] <vfw> jagginess: Amazing lack of humor
[01:48] <bazhang> vfw, you too
[01:48] <jagginess> i'm not trying to be funny.. his computer is pretty old
[01:48] <bazhang> lets move on please
[01:48] <Rootbrian> it suits my needs.
[01:48] <jagginess> Rootbrian, you definitely would bump into problems, what would help is if you have a good video card (but its not worth buying one for that machine)
[01:49] <blackshirt> very childish :d
[01:49] <Rootbrian> Move on and have fun.
[01:49] <Rootbrian> Mine is an ATI 4650 HD
[01:49] <Rootbrian> Good video card, but ati hates it. :P
[01:49] <jagginess> Rootbrian, that can help.. it's worth a shot i guess
[01:50] <Rootbrian> 1GB GDDR2, 400MHz GPU.
[01:50] <fusk> did they fix the freezing after sleep for laptops in 12.10 ?
[01:50] <Rootbrian> now if graphics ram could be used to supplement system memory, that gives me 2GB.
[01:50] <vfw> fusk: Depends on how much RAM you have.
[01:51] <Rootbrian> Fsck mine freezes after waking up.
[01:51] <Rootbrian> *fusk
[01:51] <fusk> vfw, 1gb
[01:51] <Darm0k> graphic mem could be used for it
[01:51] <Rootbrian> Same on my pc, 1GB.
[01:51] <vfw> fusk: *swap*  I meant to say swap nor RAM  1G of RAM is a bit low.
[01:52] <Darm0k> vesafb
[01:52] <Rootbrian> I don't know where the heck I could get a 1GB SD DDR 133MHz memory module. PC2100 by the way.
[01:52] <fusk> vfw, don't know how much swap, default i guess. It is a netbook, that's why 1gb.
[01:52] <vfw> Rootbrian: ebay
[01:52] <Darm0k> rootbrian: emeow?
[01:52] <Darm0k> ameowzone?
[01:53] <Rootbrian> Tigerdirect only has 512MB sticks. My system has two slots with 2x 512
[01:53] <vfw> fusk: sudo fdisk -l
[01:53] <cellofellow> anybody know how I can set 3-finger-tap as middle click? (Or even better, 2-finger and 3-finger for right-click)?
[01:53] <vfw> fusk: sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit #And send us the resulting URL, (if you want us to see).
[01:53] <Rootbrian> Ebay only has compaq evo desktops. All sold out I believe.
[01:54] <rode> txdgnhndkxhg
[01:54] <Rootbrian> rode?
[01:55] <jagginess> Rootbrian, it's not worth upgrading anything on a 12 year old computer.. It's better to buy a new system
[01:55] <Rootbrian> Not worth buying another desktop of the same or less specs of mine and including the shipping costs. Yikes.
[01:55] <jagginess> ok
[01:56] <jagginess> Rootbrian, tigerdirect.com and click buy
[01:56] <Rootbrian> I agree. I'm sticking it out until it blows out
[01:56] <snark> jagginess, as long as you run linux on it it should be fine
[01:56] <Rootbrian> That whole "secure boot" thing on newer windows 7/8 pc's, forget it. It won't work with linux.
[01:57] <blackshirt> secure boot / uefi works on linux
[01:57] <vfw> hfb: See my PM
[01:57] <Rootbrian> Okay, good.
[01:57] <jagginess> secure boot is not all enforced, it can be turned off, and linux can install on these new motherboards. nice assumption though, a couple of us are laughing.. linux has been installed on these systems.
[01:58] <Rootbrian> Alright. That assured me more. The source and others say it won't work.
[01:58] <jagginess> (and btw, canonical has a key for secure boot as well for ubuntu in case you didnt know, thanks canonical)
[01:58] <Rootbrian> Oh man, that rocks!
[01:58] <jagginess> oh get out Rootbrian.. you're trolling.
[01:58] <Rootbrian> But disabling secure boot is a must.
[01:59] <Rootbrian> I got this info from the free software foundation. I was only going by what I read.
[01:59] <blackshirt> secure boot / uefi works on linux, grub has support them
[01:59] <Rootbrian> I guess they need to update their records?
[02:00] <Rootbrian> Anyways, I gotta get out of this starbucks. waited for somebody to show up and they're a no-show.
[02:00] <jagginess> what a starbucker
[02:04] <Deihmos> when using ubuntu my fans go crazy. Is there a solution
[02:04] <blackshirt> deihmos, why become crazy ?
[02:05] <Deihmos> ubuntu makes it go crazy
[02:05] <Deihmos> very loud
[02:05] <Deihmos> envy 17 with i7 processor
[02:06] <Deihmos> i7-2760qm 2.4ghz
[02:07] <jagginess> probably something new in 12.10, there is a newer kernel 3.5, maybe a module needs to be loaded (speedstep maybe?)
[02:07] <blackshirt> deihmos, sorry, i can't reconfigure your crazineess .... You just told make crazy, but not was happen ...very subjective
[02:07] <VlanX> is 12.04.1 different from 12.04 ?
[02:08] <blackshirt> vlanx, different with updates included
[02:08] <Deihmos> i said they are very loud. meaning they spin at max speed in ubuntu
[02:08] <VlanX> blackshirt: 3.5 kernel?
[02:08] <misterhk> anyone else have youtube videos end at around 90% on ubuntu 12.10?
[02:08] <X-warrior> my ubuntu just made one "bip" and I don't know why, ideas?
[02:08] <blackshirt> vlanx, the bare bone was same
[02:08] <fusk> vfw, http://pastebin.com/BSMNEehG
[02:08] <blackshirt> vlanx, maybe the updates new kernel ...
[02:08] <fusk> sorry, took a while
[02:09] <VlanX> fusk: what command gives this output ?
[02:10] <VlanX> blackshirt: maybe i can just try the 12.10 version too... do you happen to know the major differences between desktop and server?  Different packages installed?
[02:11] <blackshirt> vlanx, server was not needed gui/desktop to run ...
[02:11] <fusk> VlanX, sudo fdisk -l
[02:11] <VlanX> oh so it's a major change
[02:12] <blackshirt> vlanx, commonly server version was ubuntu minimal with set of server service was installed
[02:12] <blackshirt> vlanx, but it was depends wwhen you install it service, included or not
[02:12] <kyle__> What is the console and how do I find it?
[02:13] <VlanX> blackshirt: got that :)
[02:13] <blackshirt> kyle_ whats you mean with console here ?
[02:14] <kyle__> I'm...not sure...
[02:14] <kyle__> I'm new to Ubuntu and Linux in general.
[02:15] <wols_> kyle__: usually: ctrl+alt+f2. it's the linux text mode
[02:15] <kyle__> I was asked what the console said when a program crashed.
[02:15] <snark> kyle__, it might be an icon called  Terminal
[02:15] <willdabeast> Does anyone know the difference between -3.5 dB and -7 dB on a modem coaxial splitter?
[02:18] <blackness> if you want a console, in unity type in terminal :P
[02:18] <jagginess> wowowo, a console for what?
[02:22] <fusk> VlanX, what do you mean major change ?
[02:24] <stochastic> For those interested in participating in Movember this year, there's now an Ubuntu network to be a part of http://ca.movember.com/mospace/network/Ubuntu
[02:26] <xangua> !ot | stochastic
[02:26] <stochastic> sorry xangua
[02:28] <stochastic> xangua, is there a channel for community related discussion or is that lumped into 'off topic'?
[02:28] <SirScott> can 12.10 server boot from lvm + raid?
[02:28] <snark> stochastic, how long does it take to grow a mustache?
[02:29] <stochastic> snark that depends on your heritage
[02:29] <joosengee> hi every body
[02:29] <jalance> I've been fighting with my nvidia drivers.  None of the forums I've looked at have helped.  I'm trying to use the nvidia drivers, and I want to rotate my screen.  I just can't seem to get it to work.  I have nvidia-current-updates installed. I'm using TwinView to rotate the screen.
[02:30] <Laice> anyone know why compiz-fusion-plugins-extra was removed from the repository?
[02:30] <joosengee> ubuntu 12.04 is very best.
[02:30] <snark> stochastic, Iwould need a lot more than a month!
[02:30] <joosengee> I use it for 2 years.
[02:30] <kyle__> Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to get started with understanding linux?
[02:31] <xangua> !info compiz-plugins-extra | Laice
[02:31] <Laice> aye, however it's not in the repository
[02:31] <stochastic> snark, then you can just donate to others to help the cause or help spread the word to others
[02:33] <snark> stochastic, I will head over to ca.movember.com and have a gander
[02:34] <stochastic> snark http://ca.movember.com/mospace/network/Ubuntu  is the Ubuntu network link, movember.com is the main site
[02:34] <xangua> !ot | stochastic snark
[02:35] <xangua> Laice: mmm no idea, maybe all plugins are already on compiz-plugin-main ¿
[02:35] <cellofellow> anybody know how I can set 3-finger-tap as middle click? (Or even better, 2-finger and 3-finger for right-click)?
[02:36] <Laice> @xangua :literally no software centre entry, have checked software sources
[02:36] <pcg> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 12.10 from 10.04 (upgraded through upgrade manager) and most things seem alright. The biggest problem though is pidgin now no longer appears in the tasktray, and will completely close when I close the 'buddy list' window. What is going on and how do I fix this?
[02:37] <rammy> hello everyone
[02:37] <blackshirt> hello rammy
[02:37] <evilmoo> hello
[02:37] <rammy> new to freenode
[02:38] <pcg> I do have 'pidgin-libnotify' installed, but I do not know if the plugin is enabled. I do not see it in the plugins list. (I had a similar issue long ago, and this was the fix, so just more troubleshooting information if related)
[02:39] <trism> pcg: port to new messaging-menu API in 12.10 isn't complete for pidgin yet
[02:39] <pcg> trism: Thanks for the response. Is there a workaround?
[02:39] <xangua> pcg:the pidgin libnotify plugin doesn't support the new ondemand feature of the message indicator, but you can add pidgin to the system tray blacklist for it to show the system tray icon; use dconf for that...here is an example http://askubuntu.com/questions/39843/application-indicator-for-shutter
[02:39] <frankcox777> howdy
[02:40] <xektrum> pcg, also check option "show system tray icon" under preference, if you choose always it should not close when closing buddy list
[02:41] <pcg> xektrum, It is set to 'always'. "Should" and reality in software differ. :P
[02:41] <AlexNagy> !ot AlexNagy
[02:41] <AlexNagy> !ot | AlexNagy
[02:41] <xektrum> pcg I've just tested on gnome-shell, if I set never and I close buddy, pidgin closes, but If I set always and I close pidgin, it goes to the tray icon
[02:42] <xektrum> however it might be different on unity
[02:42] <frankcox777> anyone willing to help me setup dialup in lubuntu11
[02:42] <pcg> xangua: Thanks for the response. I looked into that askubuntu page and do not have desktop -> unit -> panel in dconf-editor. Possibly related to the fact it is from mid-2011.
[02:42] <pcg> desktop -> unity -> panel **
[02:42] <pcg> xektrum: I'm sure this is directly related to unity.
[02:43] <xektrum> ahh I see, then disregard my suggestion :)
[02:43] <trism> pcg: it is in the dconf-tools package
[02:43] <xektrum> I don't use unity :P
[02:43] <squidly> is there a way to manually get what packages have been installed? I'm trying to restore a really borekd system and I only have /var that is not corupted
[02:43] <xektrum> how can I check where an environment variable is being set other than bashrc ?
[02:43] <snark> frankcox777, as in modem dialup or network connection?
[02:44] <pcg> trism: I have the tool. The entry in the tool is what is missing.
[02:44] <frankcox777> mobem -phone line using gnome-ppp
[02:44] <trism> pcg: oh, com/canonical/unity/panel
[02:44] <frankcox777> snark -modem using gnome-ppp
[02:44] <snark> frankcox777, is it a usb-modem?
[02:44] <pcg> trism: Thanks
[02:45] <trism> pcg: was renamed to match the gsettings key
[02:45] <frankcox777> snark -no-externel serial modem -it is detected as such
[02:46] <frankcox777> snark -ols US Robotics serial modem flashed to 56k
[02:46] <frankcox777> old
[02:47] <pcg> trism: I've added pidgin to the whitelist. Do I need to restart to observe the effects?
[02:47] <frankcox777> snark http://pastebin.com/hJ3jz9TV
[02:47] <trism> pcg: yeah you'll probably need to log out/back in
[02:47] <xangua> pcg: as you were told enable the pidgin icon in it's preferences
[02:47] <snark> frankcox777, not really sure what it is (i understand its some sort of modem!)
[02:47] <pcg> xangua: Trust me, i did long long ago.
[02:48] <pcg> trism, xangua, xektrum: Thank you for your help. Hopefully you won't see me again after I relog.
[02:48] <xangua> pcg: did you add pidgin as "pidgin" with lowercase¿ i've seen skype  agg he went
[02:48] <frankcox777> snark -is is a serial modem , a hardware modem that hooks to the serial port and is automatically detected
[02:49] <frankcox777> snark- it dials through a phone line
[02:49] <trism> I have mine as 'Pidgin' but I don't know that case matters, should probably check sometime
[02:50] <snark> frankcox777, your pastebin says "no dial tone"   is the phone line attached to the modem?
[02:50] <frankcox777> snark http://compare.ebay.com/like/360503172554?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
[02:50] <frankcox777> snark -yes and the phone line is hot
[02:52] <jiohdi> frankcox777, as I recall from the good ole days, there were certain codes you could send the modem to manually make it do things like connect to test it.... should be a list on line
[02:52] <somsip> frankcox777: called AT commands (IIRC)
[02:52] <jiohdi> thats the ones
[02:52] <frankcox777> snark - the modem is fine- it is a software problem
[02:53] <frankcox777> snark I can connect w/ puppy linux
[02:53] <snark> frankcox777, I think somsip is right with the AT command
[02:54] <frankcox777> what is somsip
[02:54] <DaemonicApathy> A user in the #ubuntu IRC room.
[02:54] <snark> the person in here called somsip!
[02:55] <snark> frankcox777, in puppy linux did you have a file called wvdial.conf?
[02:57] <frankcox777> snark -it has the file but puppy is designed for dialup so you configure it likw windows
[02:57] <somsip> frankcox777: I was just trying to give you a hint on what to search for if you wanted to delve into testing with AT commands. That's all
[02:57] <yourfriendisaac> Will there ever be as many options in Unity  as there were in Gnome2 panel? For example a user friendly menu system with add-ons and options?
[02:58] <frankcox777> snark - I appreciate the thought but it is a pain in the rear to use dialup with lubuntu
[02:58] <Laice> about compiz:  compiz-fusion-plugins-extra was apparently moved to compiz-plugins which is why i was unable to locate it earlier, just an FYI
[02:59] <Laice> !ubottu
[03:00] <yourfriendisaac> Will there ever be as many options in Unity  as there were in Gnome2 panel? For example a user friendly menu system with add-ons and options?
[03:02] <snark> frankcox777, if puppy linux dialed out for you then the needed AT commands would be in the wvdial.conf file
[03:02] <Laice> while we're on the subject of wvdial.........
[03:03] <Laice> having an issue with a gps device in this laptop
[03:03] <Laice> have used the minicom to spark the device into live and it seems to be returning an output on gpspipe -r
[03:04] <Laice> howeveri can't get any software to pick it up, gpsd is running but neither xgps or viking can read the device
[03:04] <frankcox777> snark -yes but I don't think that will change the fact if goes from modem initialized to no dialtone that quick
[03:05] <frankcox777> There is a permission problem somewhere- I think I will just use puppy on this one
[03:05] <almoxarife> Laice: gpsd is pointing at what device?
[03:05] <jerkface03> I'm running 12.04LTS -- What's the easiest way to have a process startup when the system boots up? The process should be run as root, and have various commandline parameters set.
[03:06] <Laice> almoxarife: /dev/ttyACM2
[03:07] <almoxarife> Laice: what type of gps is it?
[03:07] <snark> frankcox777,  better still   get a usb modem if possible
[03:08] <Laice> f3507g , dell varient
[03:08] <Laice> variant*
[03:08] <frankcox777> snark -why?
[03:09] <almoxarife> Laice: if xgps does not see it then gpsd is either not up or not seeing the unit, verify gpsd is up, under what user also
[03:09] <snark> frankcox777,  they can be a lot easier to setup
[03:10] <skypce> hello , how can i run unity-2d-panel standalone?
[03:10] <Laice> almoxarife: ooh that sounds promising, was it the user group dialer?
[03:10] <skypce> i have problems with logout or shutdown
[03:10] <skypce> it is slow 30 seconds
[03:10] <jerkface03> Anyone? Is there some package that Ican use or something? initd scripts are a pain to use :(
[03:11] <skypce> may be unity-2d-panel is waiting for unity-launcher close
[03:11] <Laice> almoxarife: aye gpsd running under nobody
[03:11] <almoxarife> Laice: i am not sure what usergroup would show up in your sys, but i would want to be part of that group
[03:11] <skypce> how can i simulate a unity-2d-launcher
[03:12] <frankcox777> The modem is setup - it found it automatically - I have used the same modems with a usb interface and it makes no difference
[03:12] <Loshki> jerkface03: how about calling it from /etc/rc.local?
[03:12] <skypce> for bypass the comprobation of unity-2d-panel
[03:13] <almoxarife> skypce: login to unity/failsafe(something to that effect) ?
[03:13] <freeu> Happy HalloWeen (almost)
[03:13] <Sauron8711> hi?=
[03:13] <Laice> what does the user nobody represent? not something i've come across before
[03:14] <Sauron8711> mother of god
[03:14] <Laice> father actually
[03:14] <Wug> jerkface03: init scripts are not that bad
[03:14] <Sauron8711> i though this chats are something old and no used
[03:14] <Wug> there should be a skeleton one you can copy and modify to suit your needs
[03:14] <somsip> Laice: maybe this will help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobody_(username)
[03:14] <Laice> ty
[03:14] <Wug> im lead to believe that if you didnt want to use an init script you'd use cron, but I have never bothered to learn how it works
[03:15] <jerkface03> Wug:  Even that's a bit iffy. I just wish there was some interface for it or something
[03:15] <Laice> it's curious because i started up gpsd with sudo service gpsd start, and it's running under the user nobody whensurely that would be root?
[03:16] <Wug> just copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to something else and play with the variables at the top, which should be sufficient to run a process as root without any special tricks
[03:16] <almoxarife> Laice: its not an issue with gpsd then, the device itself, how does it connect to the sys?
[03:16] <snark> frankcox777, yes I understand    its an AT command problem   you can sent AT commands from the command line to the modem
[03:16] <snark> frankcox777, yes I understand    its an AT command problem   you can send* AT commands from the command line to the modem
[03:16] <Wug> you then have to register it with whatever the command is
[03:17] <Laice> almoxarife: lsusb:vBus 002 Device 014: ID 413c:8147 Dell Computer Corp. F3507g Mobile Broadband Module
[03:17] <Wug> I don't remember, exactly what it is, but it will set up links to the init script in the correct places and it will start and stop itself automatically at boot and shutdown
[03:18] <abdo> hi
[03:18] <Laice> hi
[03:18] <Wug> jerkface03: I think its update-rc.d <yourinitscriptname> defaults
[03:18] <xangua> does xfce panel supports the menu indicator stuff¿
[03:18] <Wug> run it from /etc/init.d
[03:18] <freeu> have you had your portion of fear this night ?
[03:19] <jerkface03> Wug: so I created my script then I run that command and it should run everytime i boot, or will I have to specifically start it each time?
[03:19] <Laice> i fear waking up in the morning and having to go to work.
[03:19] <Laice> mostly because it's 3:19am
[03:19] <freeu> HalloWeen 20 Y.O. Later of John Carpenter
[03:21] <abdobonna> hi
[03:21] <net_runner007> hello evryboddy
[03:21] <pepee> hi
[03:21] <abdobonna> my ubuntu software center is not working
[03:21] <Laice> how so?
[03:22] <freeu> change distribution
[03:22] <abdobonna> it frozen
[03:22] <Laice> is it  in the middle of an update?
[03:22] <net_runner007> can u exit?
[03:22] <abdobonna> no
[03:23] <net_runner007> try the killall cmd from terminal?
[03:23] <abdobonna> exit ??
[03:23] <almoxarife> ubuntu software center <-- what is the system process name for it in ubuntu
[03:23] <trism> xangua: it only supports the gtk2 indicators, I only see application and sound in the repo
[03:23] <Laice> alteratively if you want a gui to do it from open up "System monitor" and find it in the processes list
[03:23] <trism> xangua: in 12.10 that is
[03:24] <Laice> called software-center for the record
[03:25] <lead0r> i am a few months into linux and i have ubuntu 12.04 and have been trying to install and get the application f.lux to function properly and have been having trouble
[03:25] <almoxarife> abdobonna: do this, alt-f2 , type in it " pkill software-center "
[03:25] <lead0r> does anyone use this application
[03:25] <LordOfTime> lead0r, what's f.lux?
[03:26] <lead0r> it adds a halogen effect to the monitor reducing eyestrain
[03:26] <Laice> is that the lighting program?
[03:26] <Laice> ah yes, only mac and windows from what i can see
[03:26] <abdobonna> what the name of ubuntu software center in system monitor??
[03:26] <Laice> software-centre @abdobonna
[03:26] <lead0r> i got it onto the machine and running with the sudo-ap-get
[03:26] <Laice> one sec will try lead0r
[03:27] <Laice> what was the package name?
[03:27] <abdobonna> not found
[03:28] <lead0r> http://stereopsis.com/flux/linux.html
[03:28] <Laice> ah that's a ppa, will see if it works in a sec will just finish helping abdobonna
[03:29] <lead0r> preesh
[03:29] <Laice> abdobonna try opening a terminal and tryping "ps -e | grep software-center
[03:29] <abdobonna> ok
[03:29] <Laice> that should give you a process id
[03:29] <hightall> hello everybody
[03:30] <Laice> then you can kill that id with "sudo kill ######"
[03:30] <Laice> where the #####'s are the process id
[03:31] <abdobonna> not give me any thing
[03:31] <Laice> hmm
[03:31] <Laice> very strange ghost then lol, muse be haunted
[03:32] <abdobonna> no any programs look like software center ??
[03:33] <Laice> not that i'm aware
[03:33] <Laice> might be worth restarting
[03:33] <Laice> and seeing if the problem repeats itself
[03:33] <Laice> lead0r: getting the same problem trying to install it
[03:33] <wols> Laice: you can kill a process by its name too. man killall
[03:34] <Laice> lead0r: looks like the repository is returning a 404
[03:34] <Laice> !killall
[03:34] <Laice> bad ubottu, no biscuit.
[03:35] <abdobonna> I not found it on system monitor
[03:35] <lead0r> laice: yeah i couldnt get it to function
[03:35] <Laice> !
[03:35] <Laice> from apt-get update: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kilian/f.lux/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[03:35] <lead0r> yeah i got that too
[03:36] <Laice> likely not been ported to quantal yet
[03:36] <lead0r> i am tempted to email the guy who wrote the linux version kilian and ask him
[03:36] <Laice> either that or try compiling from source
[03:36] <lead0r> hmm well thanks
[03:36] <Laice> looks like there's a source on github
[03:38] <abdobonna> !?
[03:39] <lead0r> laice: what can be done with the source
[03:40] <lead0r> i saw that there was a source on github but i figurred before i would try and do anything i would find a place to ask questions
[03:41] <Laice> i'm no master on sources im afraid
[03:41] <TheLordOfTime> lead0r, if you have the source you can try building it.
[03:41] <TheLordOfTime> lead0r, no guarantee it'll work, check the verison numbers though
[03:41] <TheLordOfTime> lead0r, if the PPA you mentioned has the same version that the git has, then the issue'll likely recurr
[03:41] <wols> "compile
[03:41] <wols> !compile
[03:42] <juan_> Anyone know of an app in Ubuntu that will show what shell commands the gui software runs when you do stuff?
[03:42] <wols> lead0r: I very strongly suggest you get the ubuntuizes sources for precise and compile them to a .deb package you can install. that way you can easily uninstall or upgrade it later when a quantal version of the software comes out
[03:43] <TheLordOfTime> lead0r, given the version and the upload dates, i'm going to say this hasnt been updated for a while
[03:43] <wols> juan_: pstree for example. depends how long those shell commands last
[03:43] <Laice> juan_ runn the program from the terminal
[03:43] <lead0r> thanks wols
[03:43] <TheLordOfTime> juan_, depends what you're running.  what're you looking for there?
[03:44] <lead0r> yeah that is what i figured
[03:44] <lead0r> cool cool cool
[03:44] <lead0r> laterz
[03:44] <lead0r>  sleep to me
[03:45] <juan_> Well, I downloaded BackBox Linux, and am familiar with Fedora. I would like to run Ubuntu Software Center, and actually see the shell command lines for the update.
[03:45] <juan_> Like usually I can use yum or rpm to get packages . ..just curious how ubuntu software does it ...
[03:46] <MinotaurV> apt-get
[03:46] <almoxarife> juan_: system-monitor will give you the names, so will top and htop
[03:46] <almoxarife> juan_: you can't mix-match rpm with debs
[03:47] <juan_> you are right, top says software-center . ....got a man page to ...thanks, that works . ..
[03:47] <wols> juan_: we don't support anything but ubuntu here. ask backbox people please
[03:47] <almoxarife> well, one can alien a deb to rpm, not sure what type of alien will come out though
[03:48] <juan_> hmm ... backbox is based off Ubuntu ....
[03:48] <wols> but it is not ubuntu, and hence off topic
[03:48] <juan_> actually asking about the ubunto software center . ..so does that qualify?
[03:48] <wols> no. either you run ubuntu, then this is the channel for you, or you don't, then it's not
[03:49] <juan_> but its cool, I get it.
[03:49] <wols> ubuntu can't and doesn't know how backbox changed their software
[03:49] <almoxarife> wols: i don't know about that, i run what i run, i ask questions pertaining to ubuntu here
[03:50] <juan_> kinda what I was thinking, basic linux . ...
[03:50] <wols> almoxarife: you might not know but it's the channel policy
[03:50] <wols> no derivatives or other linux distros supported
[03:51] <juan_> i'll make sure all my questions revolve around ubuntu . ..no biggie . ...
[03:52] <almoxarife> wols: i am sure the policy is to stick to questions about ubuntu, i doubt it says ' not running ubuntu? , not the place for you' , i will leave it at that, its offtopic too :)
[03:52] <TheLordOfTime> wols, the only derivatives supported in this channel are Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Lubuntu, as well, since those're official derivatives.  sometimes people ask for help with those here instead of the respective normal channels for those derivs.
[03:52] <wols> TheLordOfTime: ok, if you call them derivatives
[03:53] <TheLordOfTime> wols, http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives  (some call them derivatives, others call them flavors, same difference)
[03:54] <juan_> I see this is a passionate topic . ...
[03:54] <TheLordOfTime> its a small topic no biggie
[03:54]  * TheLordOfTime returns to what he was doing
[03:55] <apeman> i installed something with apt-get, how do i find what files it installer where?
[03:55] <wols> apeman: dpkg -L <package name>
[03:55] <wols> this doesn't show debconf created files however
[03:56] <K350> Do you guys know if Enlightment got an IRC channel somewhere?
[03:57] <bazhang> !alis | K350 have a search
[03:57] <wols> K350: #e here on freenode
[04:04] <K350> wols: oh :(
[04:04] <blackshirt> ah,
[04:05] <K350> bazhang: thanks for the tip :-)
[04:07] <e10byagrue> HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
[04:11] <polp>  i have a problem MBR of my computer is not working correctly .I can't boot  win's on it .Can any one help me how to repair my MBR
[04:11] <crimsonmane> put your windows disc in and reboot
[04:16] <polp> How  to fix MBR ? During installing an error message is displayed 'I can't  find where am i " check your MBR ?
[04:16] <wols> polp: installing what exactly?
[04:17] <wols> and how
[04:19] <polp> wols: installing window 7
[04:20] <Marius80> hi
[04:20] <wols> this is a channel for Ubuntu only, a Linux distribution. get support for Windows in ##windows
[04:20] <Marius80> please tell me, why the first command works,  but the second gives an error
[04:20] <Marius80> iwconfig wlan0 key 12ABC45678
[04:20] <Marius80> ^ everything okay
[04:20] <Marius80> but:
[04:21] <Marius80> root@linux:/# iwconfig wlan0 key foo1D4ta
[04:21] <Marius80> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[04:21] <Marius80>     invalid argument "foo1D4ta".
[04:21] <polp> wols: same problem with ubuntu 12.10 but work fine with ubuntu 10.04 (gnome 2)
[04:21] <wols> Marius80: the first one uses Hex numbers only (0-9, A-F), the 2nd one is a string
[04:21] <Marius80> hum
[04:22] <wols> polp: gnome has nothing to do with bootloaders. and the error message would be different too than you wrote before
[04:22] <Marius80> wols, well, my password is a sting
[04:22] <Marius80> string
[04:22] <Marius80> what shell I do then?
[04:22] <Marius80> convert it to hex?
[04:23] <polp> wols: ok ! can't install win 7 and ubuntu 12,0X due to hardware dependencies and MBR
[04:23] <blanco> 21/m here. cam2cam?
[04:23] <wols> Marius80: use s:foo1D4ta   see man iwconfig for details
[04:23] <Marius80> blanco, bad joke?
[04:24] <Marius80> wols, I tried s: before,  same error
[04:24] <wols> polp: more info needed. about the ubuntu install only
[04:24] <Marius80> root@linux:/# iwconfig wlan0 key s:foo1D4ta
[04:24] <Marius80> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[04:24] <Marius80>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[04:25] <MinotaurV> Apparently some one on freenode thought I was a troll being on Ubuntu Widnows and MacOSX as well as their channel I got banned lol
[04:25] <MinotaurV> WRONG WINDOW!
[04:27] <polp> wols: i'm not sure but when i boot ubuntu using Live USB  , it work fine but when i go for installing it gave me   an error that ' please clear your DVD /CD drive lens or check your h/w update .But while installing window 7 it gave me an MBR error 'can't found where am i '
[04:27] <crimsonmane> i'm certain that's not the reason you were banned
[04:28] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[04:28] <silv3r_m00n> I started the distribution upgrade, but I think its using a very slow server, can I stop it now ?
[04:28] <silv3r_m00n> what will happen if I stop it ?
[04:28] <wols> polp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck
[04:29] <theos> hi all! suddenly my headphone jack stopped working last night. there is little or no-sound in the headphones. the headphones are fine. the speakers work fine too. ubuntu is sensing the headphones. but no output in headphones. please help!
[04:29] <wols> silv3r_m00n: you can. especially when it's still only downloading
[04:29] <wols> silv3r_m00n: nothing will happen
[04:29] <kaushal> Hi
[04:29] <Marius80> wols, sorry, I don't want to disturb you,  but did you see me answer?
[04:29] <kaushal> Can someone please comment on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2012-November/265008.html
[04:29] <silv3r_m00n> wols: yeah its just started downloading packages
[04:30] <wols> Marius80: I did.
[04:30] <Marius80> wols: so what am I doing wrong?
[04:30] <wols> Marius80: isn't iwconfig doing WEP only?
[04:30] <silv3r_m00n> wols: thanks, did it
[04:31] <Marius80> wols, good argument
[04:31] <Marius80> isn't there any way to connect using the command line?
[04:31] <wols> arguments are not followed by a question mark. this is a question
[04:32] <wols> you can simply edit /etc/network/interfaces and it will do it all automatically. it's what I generally use. not very good when you have many different APs to connect to however
[04:32] <wajeemba> hey all, trying to reinstall grub using this guide: http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/grub-reinstall.htm Getting to the part where I run "update-grub" and I get the following error: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow.
[04:33] <wujie> HI
[04:33] <wujie> excuse me
[04:33] <Marius80> wols, I am just google'ing to find out how
[04:33] <Marius80> will tell you the result soon
[04:34] <wols> Marius80: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/ for example
[04:34] <wajeemba> wujie, just ask. people will answer if they know :)
[04:34] <wols> wajeemba: chroot to your ubuntu installation instead
[04:34] <wujie> ok,thank
[04:35] <Marius80> wols, done
[04:35] <Marius80> wols, how can I tell my pc to connect now?
[04:35] <Marius80> it's been set to "auto"
[04:35] <JaySee> is there any way to install a version of ia32-libs that isn't broken?
[04:35] <Marius80> do I need to restart?
[04:35] <wols> Marius80: ifup <interface> for example
[04:36] <Marius80> oh, like on debian...
[04:36] <wujie> What do you know Deepin linux?
[04:36] <wols> Marius80: it's exactly like debian for a good reason: ubuntu got it all from debian :P
[04:36] <Marius80> wols, it's doing something weired
[04:36] <wols> wujie: we only know ubuntu linux, nothing else. for deepin linux you must ask elsewhere
[04:37] <Marius80> wols, http://pastebin.com/a4Ca2FCN
[04:37] <wujie> The os is on ubuntu ,
[04:37] <wols> wujie: no it's not. It's based on ubuntu but not ubuntu
[04:37] <Marius80> wols, I need to update the paste
[04:38] <Marius80> one moment please
[04:38] <JaySee> is there any way to install a version of ia32-libs that isn't broken?
[04:38] <wols> nothing weird. check if you are authenticated (syslog should have it)
[04:38] <wols> JaySee: ask a sensible question
[04:38] <wols> !errors | JaySee
[04:38] <wajeemba> wols, ok, that would be "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ubuntu ; chroot /mnt/ubuntu"?
[04:38] <Marius80> wols, now it's finished:   http://pastebin.com/TB1exFCe
[04:39] <OerHeks> JaySee, since 11.10 ubuntu 64 bit is multi-arch
[04:39] <wols> wajeemba: yes, for update-grub that should suffice
[04:39] <YIFU> deepin, china,i has been use it
[04:39] <wols> oh no. os-prober needs /dev and /proc too. need to bind mount them before chrooting
[04:40] <wajeemba> wols: "error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)."
[04:40] <wols> wajeemba: yes, bind mount /dev first, /proc too probably
[04:41] <FISH_SOUP> hi, i have just installed ubuntu-server but i am unable to perform any root command due to "username is not in the sudoers list"
[04:41] <FISH_SOUP> what's the default password for root ?
[04:41] <wols> there is none
[04:41] <crimsonmane> FISH_SOUP: type "su" and press enter
[04:42] <wajeemba> wols: after "bind mount /dev ; bind mount /proc" I get the same error. This is a new install, so I'm curious as to why grub failed.. I think I did tell it to install to a small /dev/sda1 partition in the wizard, so that could be my problem..
[04:42] <FISH_SOUP> type su and press enter, it gives me authentication error
[04:42] <wols> wajeemba: did you type "bind mount /dev" as a command?
[04:43] <wajeemba> yes, in a root shell
[04:43] <FISH_SOUP> it asked me for a password when doing so, but if its not given then how do i know whats the password?
[04:43] <wols> wajeemba: that obviously is not a valid command...
[04:43] <FISH_SOUP> during installation, they ask you to provide a username and password
[04:44] <FISH_SOUP> other than that, nothing else
[04:44] <FISH_SOUP> so how do i install stuff if i cant even get down to root
[04:44] <wols> !root
[04:44] <wajeemba> wols: ok, I guess I don't know what you mean by bind then yet. I'm not quite a *nix noob anymore, but definitely not on sysadmin level.. xD
[04:44] <wols> wajeemba: mount -bind
[04:44] <FISH_SOUP> wols, yes i understand
[04:44] <FISH_SOUP> but i cant sudo!
[04:45] <wols> FISH_SOUP: if your sudoers file is fubar, then something bad happened on install. I suggest you use a live cd and fix it
[04:45] <FISH_SOUP> it keeps giving me <username is not in the sudoers list>
[04:45] <FISH_SOUP> if i am not even in the sudoers list, how can i do what you asked
[04:45] <wols> FISH_SOUP: live cd
[04:45] <crimsonmane> FISH_SOUP: reboot the computer, hold shift while it boots until you reach the grub menu. select Recovery. when you reach the prompt type without quote marks "passwd <newpasswordhere>" and that changes the root password so you can enter "su"
[04:45] <HulkHogan> sudo visudo
[04:45] <FISH_SOUP> yeah, bad install..even when clicking next all the way, it can "result" in bad install?
[04:46] <FISH_SOUP> reboot: needs to be root
[04:46] <FISH_SOUP> lol
[04:47] <HulkHogan> try run
[04:47] <HulkHogan> sudo visudo
[04:47] <HulkHogan> then add ur self
[04:47] <wols> FISH_SOUP: are you in a ssh shell?
[04:47] <FISH_SOUP> yes
[04:47] <FISH_SOUP> i am
[04:47] <wols> then I guess you are fscked
[04:47] <crimsonmane> lol
[04:47] <FISH_SOUP> more like ubuntu screwed up for not b eing able to install properly
[04:48] <crimsonmane> FISH_SOUP: get off your butt, go to the computer, and reboot it like a pro
[04:48] <crimsonmane> FISH_SOUP: reboot the computer, hold shift while it boots until you reach the grub menu. select Recovery. when you reach the prompt type without quote marks "passwd <newpasswordhere>" and that changes the root password so you can enter "su"
[04:48] <wajeemba> wols: so "mount --bind /dev /dev"?
[04:49] <Marius80> wols, sorry,  please help me with that wifi stuff
[04:49] <wols> wajeemba: no. mount --bind /dev <chroot path>/dev
[04:49] <Marius80> wols, I really don't get it to work out for me
[04:49] <wajeemba> wols: from within chroot?
[04:49] <FISH_SOUP> so much for VMWare "Easy Install"
[04:49] <wols> wajeemba: no. before you chroot. pointless doing it inside
[04:49] <kaushal> testing
[04:50] <wols> wajeemba: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repairrestorereinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd/
[04:50] <wols> Marius80: what did syslog or dmesg say?
[04:51] <OerHeks> FISH_SOUP, "clicking next all the way " isn't the way to setup a server.
[04:52] <FISH_SOUP> OerHeks, well, they didnt ask for any other information except username and password
[04:52] <FISH_SOUP> what else can i do other than clicking next to continue?
[04:52]  * rypervenche facepalms.
[04:53] <wajeemba> wols: also needed to bind boot and sys, but it says it worked :D
[04:53] <FISH_SOUP> i blame this issue on VMWare "Easy Install"
[04:53] <FISH_SOUP> doing it manually now
[04:54] <cryptic> ugh, looks like apt-get upgrade screwed up booting
[04:54] <wajeemba> wols: is there any way check before I reboot? or do I just bite the bullet and come back to live cd if it fails..
[04:56] <Marius80> wols, http://pastebin.com/bX2NijWH
[04:56] <wols> wajeemba: only thing you can do
[04:56] <FISH_SOUP> lets hope this manual install goes well too
[04:56] <wajeemba> wols: well, here I go. Will be back if it didn't work xD Thx for the crash course in chroot, that'll be handy :D
[04:57] <wols> Marius80: line 9 and 10. why do you use ndiswrapper inside a VM?
[04:58] <wols> oh. msiread. no VM it seems
[04:59] <FISH_SOUP> hmm, isnt it weird why they asked you to select if you would like to install LAMP Server when obviously you are already installing Linux?
[04:59] <FISH_SOUP> unless you want it to install another Linux on top on Ubuntu
[05:00] <Marius80> wols, it's not a virtual machine,  but virtual box is running as a guest on this host
[05:00] <Marius80> wols, but virtual box does not deal with that issue
[05:01] <OerHeks> FISH_SOUP, maybe you want only ssh & ftp.
[05:02] <wols> Marius80: what wlan chip is it?
[05:02] <wols> FISH_SOUP: no it's not weird. LAMP in this case means the packages for apache, php and mysql
[05:02] <Marius80> realtek
[05:02] <guang_> I run command "ctags -R *" in the dir "/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk",but it still can not make a reference for some function
[05:02] <Marius80> wols, ndiswrapper gives the driver
[05:02] <wols> Marius80: a bit more info needed. lspci or lsusb
[05:03] <silv3r_m00n> I am not able to change the repository server in synaptic manager, it reverts to the server of my country, why ?
[05:04] <Marius80> wols, 0e:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8172 (rev 10)
[05:04] <Marius80> 14:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
[05:04] <wols> silv3r_m00n: edit /etc/apt/sources.list then
[05:05] <silv3r_m00n> wols: thanks again
[05:06] <FISH_SOUP> ok everything is well now, sudo works fine with manual install...screw VMWAre install easy
[05:06] <wols> Marius80: lspci -k |grep 10ec
[05:07] <Marius80> wols, no output
[05:07] <wols> Marius80: is it a eeePC? from the looks of it, it's a rtl8187se which would be suppported without ndiswrapper
[05:07] <Marius80> wols, its a toshiba satellite
[05:07] <wols> Marius80: lspci -nn then only the pci id of the wireless card would be needed
[05:08] <Marius80> wols, beside a lot of other stuff,  I get this:
[05:08] <Marius80> 0e:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:8172] (rev 10)
[05:08] <Marius80> 14:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02)
[05:09] <Athquiz> is anyone else having problems installing either skype or wine on 64 bit 12.10?
[05:09] <|Anthony|> I have a 1TB drive with several partitions. 2 partitions are OS partitions and i choose between them at boot. There sizes are 125GB and 75GB respectively. I just got a new 300GB hdd and want to clone those 2 partitions to it so I can still choose between either at boot. How would i do this?
[05:10] <Azelphur> I'm having an odd issue with installing java on my server http://pastebin.com/kuAmARFs any ideas?
[05:10] <wols> Marius80: what ubuntu version do you have?
[05:10] <brandtone> i upgraded to 12.10 ubuntu and now every time i boot, or shutdown i have a terminal window showing all processes shutting down, etc. i'm very new, but when i use netstat it shows all connections as "stream" with multiple ports in use, etc. on shutdown there are many scripts that seem strange, albeit i am a noob, but i don't know if this is normal behavior with the upgrade/patches, or ? never did this before going to 12.10
[05:10] <wols> Marius80: cause linux supports this chip since kernel 3.0 with the "rtlwifi" driver
[05:11] <Marius80> wols, you got my version as private message
[05:12] <wols> Marius80: and you can't run a supported ubuntu why?
[05:12] <Marius80> wols, because trinity desktop still has a bug
[05:12] <Marius80> I am wainting for the new version,  then I will upgrade
[05:13] <wols> what bug?
[05:13] <wols> and what trinity desktop? you said it's a toshiba satellite
[05:14] <Marius80> trinity desktop is the old KDE 3
[05:14] <Marius80> its beeing developed now as "trinity desktop"
[05:14] <wols> trinity happens to be a current AMD cpu too
[05:14] <Marius80> oh I see
[05:15] <wols> I still strongly suggest a new Ubuntu version. with a recent kernel with proper support for the hardware
[05:15] <rootbrian> Like I said earlier, i'd try cheese out in the terminal and it crashed, never able to start, paste of the results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322656/ (this being on ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
[05:16] <cryptic> what would cause ubuntu to immediately switch to a blinking cursor upon reaching the splash screen at boot?
[05:16] <brandtone>  netstat
[05:16] <brandtone> Active Internet connections (w/o servers)
[05:16] <brandtone> Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State
[05:16] <brandtone> tcp        0      0 Brandt-PC:53960         pool-72-84-220-123:9000 ESTABLISHED
[05:16] <brandtone> tcp        0      0 Brandt-PC:38100         ps14443.dreamhost.:9001 ESTABLISHED
[05:16] <FloodBot1> brandtone: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:16] <brandtone> tcp        0      0 Brandt-PC:46232         mix.inf.tu-dresde:https ESTABLISHED
[05:17] <rootbrian> so there is obviously a bug with cheese
[05:17] <wols> Marius80: the main error I saw in your dmesg paste was about ndiswrapper.
[05:17] <almoxarife> rootbrian: you want to see output from a vid-camera?
[05:18] <Marius80> wols, I see...
[05:18] <rootbrian> both webcam and capture card.
[05:18] <Marius80> wols, thank you so far
[05:18] <almoxarife> rootbrian: use vlc
[05:19] <rootbrian> almoxarife: cheese was mainly used to verify if the webcam I was using, actually worked with linux. But cheese doesn't start anymore since 12.04 LTS.
[05:19] <Gerowen> Is there something like the "Additional Drivers" program in previous releases to help me easily install and active proprietary ATI drivers?
[05:20] <almoxarife> rootbrian: vlc works
[05:21] <deitarion> Does anyone know of any programs which seem to be detecting whether the desktop is currently composited? (Programs I could pick apart to learn to write an "is composited" test helper for a shell script)
[05:22] <deitarion> I normally run Lubuntu to squeeze out as much performance as possible, so I don't have much experience with this aspect of composited desktops.
[05:22] <rootbrian> almoxarife: But does it capture video at the maximum resolution possible and save it to a file?
[05:23] <almoxarife> rootbrian: of course
[05:24] <rootbrian> almoxarife: I have never succeeded to get it working. But it's worth another try. I'm using the PPA for it and since it's always being updated, it should work. Thanks for the advice and renewed confidence, until canonical decides to package a *working* cheese and not some nightly unstable build.
[05:25] <rootbrian> almoxarife: i'm going to test it once an upload using flash player, completes.
[05:26] <almoxarife> rootbrian: vlc is the only thing i have ever used for my built-in cam, and i mostly hear people complain about 'cheese' not doing what ever it is that it should do
[05:27] <almoxarife> someone have any idea how to get pidgin to highlight the nick name with something other than bright orange?
[05:28] <almoxarife> with plugins installed, running in kde even
[05:29] <rootbrian> almoxarife: I have no issues with cheese even if it doesn't work correctly when capturing video or photos, as long as it starts up and functions, i'm cool with it. But if it never starts at all, then it gets on my/others nerves.
[05:31] <almoxarife> someone earlier brought up f.flux, i googled it, turns out there is already something older out there called redshift, so i installed it, imagine that, you can actually get a lappy to go redlit after day light
[05:31] <almoxarife> amazing
[05:37] <rootbrian> Filed a bug with cheese, but searched before filing a duplicate one, had I not done the search. I added the terminal dump to it via the comments. Hopefully they do fix it, and canonical does the right thing come their next 'feature' release. :)
[05:43] <brandtone> since updating to 12.10 my boot and shutdown shows the processes which nvr happened before. i am new to linux/ubuntu/deb and not sure what to make out of them or why it just started showing all processes.  some seem odd to me so i used netstat, which showed multiple ports as "stream" and from places i have no idea from. is this normal with the new release?
[05:45] <Seven_Six_Two> I've inserted an SD to my laptop, and it automounts. mount command at terminal says rw, but nautilus says ro when I try to delete a file. what's up with that?
[05:46] <rootbrian> Getting the webcam working in vlc player shouldn't be that hard, it's not working for me. :S
[05:46] <deitarion> Seven_Six_Two: What does it say about the permissions and file ownership in the preferences dialog for the file?
[05:47] <aum__> hello everyone, i trying to write a startup script in that i want that the sound should be in its maximum state. please suggest how can i do so...
[05:47] <deitarion> aum__: Add a line involving "amixer" to your /etc/rc.local
[05:47] <Seven_Six_Two> deitarion, owned by my user, read and write
[05:47] <Seven_Six_Two> my group has read-only
[05:48] <deitarion> Seven_Six_Two: Hmm. That IS strange. What filesystem is the card formatted with?
[05:48] <brandtone> here is the relevant URL, i think, to my question http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322659/
[05:48] <Seven_Six_Two> I tried changing group to rw, and it pops up saying read only filesystem. I unmounted it and scanned it. fs clean
[05:48] <Seven_Six_Two> deitarion, vfat
[05:48] <Seven_Six_Two> deitarion, it's the sd card for my book reader
[05:49] <deitarion> Seven_Six_Two: I think I know what the problem is, then.
[05:49] <deitarion> aum__: This is probably the line you want to add to /etc/rc.local --> "amixer set Master 100%"
[05:50] <Seven_Six_Two> deitarion, I'm all ears! Well, my ears are at any rate
[05:50] <deitarion> Seven_Six_Two: I've noticed that, for whatever insane reason, the FAT32 filesystems that SD cards come with tend to get corrupted. I've never lost any data, but it does cause Linux to force read-only behaviour for my own safety.
[05:51] <aum__> deitarion, what i guess, amixer is hardware dependent, the name Master changes from board to board.
[05:51] <deitarion> aum__: Then run "amixer scontrols" to find the names your card uses.
[05:51] <Seven_Six_Two> deitarion, are you suggesting that I reformat it?
[05:52] <rootbrian> Seven_Six_Two: i'm suggesting the same thing.
[05:52] <deitarion> Seven_Six_Two: Yeah. I've found that, if I copy all the data off, reformat using the Linux formatter, and then move it back on, it generally stays un-corrupted after that.
[05:52] <aum__> deitarion, should i choose the first one int that list...
[05:53] <Haris> Hello all
[05:53] <Seven_Six_Two> deitarion, alright. I'll give it a go. I lost my copy of "Flow my Tears the Policeman said"
[05:53] <Haris> ubuntu auto install is not picking up network source for install
[05:53] <Haris> please help
[05:53] <deitarion> Seven_Six_Two: From the command-line (which I always use), the command is mkfs.vfat or mkdosfs (same command).
[05:53] <Haris> it asks for cdrom
[05:53] <deitarion> aum__: Pastebin the list of options it gives you.
[05:54] <rootbrian> Haris: I suggest downloading the CD or DVD image, burn it, then boot from it and proceed to installing from there.
[05:54] <Haris> I need to install this via network
[05:54] <Haris> I am remotely connected to the box
[05:54] <rootbrian> Haris: Or you could use unetbootin to extract everything to a USB stick/thumb/flash drive or memory card.
[05:55] <Seven_Six_Two> Haris, are you using oob connection?
[05:55] <Haris> oob ?
[05:55] <rootbrian> I think he means out of band
[05:55] <deitarion> Haris: He's asking how you are remotely connected.
[05:55] <Haris> via kvm
[05:55] <Haris> over internet
[05:56] <Haris> I can boot the box from network, the install starts
[05:56] <Haris> but it doesn't pick up the network source for installing ubuntu
[05:56] <rootbrian> Do you have complete access privileges?
[05:56] <Haris> it goes for local install, I think
[05:56] <Haris> yes, I do
[05:56] <deitarion> Haris: What installer are you using?
[05:56] <Seven_Six_Two> you're doing pxb?
[05:56] <rootbrian> Maybe the network source isn't mounted?
[05:57] <Haris> box1 (where I need to install ubuntu 11.1.0) <-LAN -> PXE/cobbler box
[05:57] <Haris> box1 <-internet / kvm -> my PC
[05:57] <rootbrian> Are you in the same building/area/room/floor as the box?
[05:57] <Seven_Six_Two> aah...ok, now I get it. what is your network src? internet? your own archive?
[05:58] <Haris> the pxe box has the ubuntu files extracted from iso and placed in a folder accessible over http://
[05:58] <Haris> my own archive
[05:58] <aum__> deitarion, my question is should i choose first one in that list every time ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322693/
[05:58] <Haris> I have it placed at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/cblr/ubuntu/
[05:58] <deitarion> Haris: I don't think that's how you're supposed to do it.
[05:58] <aln> HI
[05:58] <Athquiz> anyone know how I can get the ia32-libs on a 64 bit system?
[05:59] <Haris> deitarion: Please elaborate
[05:59] <vooze> Athquiz: sudo apt-get install libjpeg62:i386
[05:59] <Haris> should it be ftp rather than http ?
[05:59] <Seven_Six_Two> is that path a list of debs?
[05:59] <Seven_Six_Two> is there a list of debs at that path?
[05:59] <Haris> that's the path to the folder where the ubuntu 11.10 iso is extracted
[06:00] <Haris> I think the debs list is at
[06:00] <rootbrian> Haris: I would suggest, if you have physical access to it at some point, install it from the CD or DVD.
[06:00] <Haris> rootbrian: hold please
[06:00] <deitarion> Haris: Generally, in the name of being foolproof, installers tend to actually check whether the CD/DVD source is really a CD/DVD drive. I do know that you can install Debian-based distros from network sources, but the official steps to setting up your own mirror probably result in a slightly different filesystem.
[06:00] <Seven_Six_Two> ok, if you're going to use an iso, mount it loopback and use it as a cd source, not network.
[06:00] <Athquiz> vooze: unable to locate package
[06:00] <Haris> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/cobbler/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-amd64/
[06:00] <aln> I recently buy a D-Link wireless modem router. I can cannect with it in bridge mode. But in PPPOE mode i can't connect.
[06:00] <deitarion> s/filesystem/filesystem layout/
[06:01] <Haris> this folder contains Packages.gz
[06:01] <Athquiz> I'm just trying to get wine running, but I'm getting all kinds of missing dependencies
[06:01] <vooze> Athquiz: hmm, weird.. worked for me :/
[06:01] <vooze> Athquiz: what version are you using?
[06:01] <Athquiz> 12.10
[06:01] <Athquiz> 64 bit
[06:01] <deitarion> aum__: I don't have enough experience to say conclusively. I thought every device I've ever seen or heard of had "Master" as a standard control name.
[06:02] <Haris> deitarion: that'd be pretty odd if debian couldn't be installed over network.
[06:02] <vooze> Athquiz: did you copy exactly what I wrote?
[06:02] <aln> Anyone can help me?
[06:02] <rootbrian> aln: Is the modem/router configured for DHCP?
[06:02] <Athquiz> vooze: yeah
[06:02] <Athquiz> copy paste
[06:02] <Haris> where's the debs packages in the ubuntu 11.10-server iso ?
[06:02] <Seven_Six_Two> Haris, it can, I'm just not sure an extracted install cd is the same thing as an apt archive
[06:02] <aum__> deitarion, thanks , i have seen such name other than master :(
[06:02] <deitarion> Haris: It can. My point is that the layout of the files in /mnt/cdrom0 will probably be subtly different from http://www.example.com/working_debian_mirror/
[06:02] <the_dark_knight> hey, I want one my process to be up an running all the time. even after a fail/abort i want it to restart. I am using upstart approach. Can somebody give me a sample code to say run a sample.py file like this. please. I have been trying to get it working but I don't understand a lot of this. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[06:03] <vooze> Athquiz: then I dont know sorry :/ just double checked.. it works here
[06:03] <Haris> ah I see
[06:03] <Haris> I can perform a network install from a mirror present over the internet as well, such as uk.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:04] <Haris> I do also have => box1 <- LAN -> NAT gw <- Internet
[06:04] <jinglan> hi,guys
[06:04] <deitarion> Haris: Last I checked, yeah. I don't remember how Ubuntu's recent changes affect things but I know older Ubuntu and current Debian both support minimal installers where everything except the installer itself is pulled from the Ubuntu/Debian servers.
[06:04] <rootbrian> aln: Is that wireless modem-router connected to a ADSL or DSL modem?
[06:05] <Seven_Six_Two> Haris, you can, yes. I've used the business card cd and pulled the rest from internet
[06:06] <the_dark_knight> when I create a upstart conf like http://www.bpaste.net/raw/XYsVmW0oavXHPS8VCzdM/ does this mean that sample.sh will always be up and running? please somebody help me with upstart! I am lost
[06:07] <aeon-ltd> the_dark_knight: what's in sample.sh?
[06:09] <the_dark_knight> aeon-ltd: maybe "cd /home/foo/  python sample.py" or some other command like "sleep 2"
[06:09] <aln> rootbrian: I think it is DHCP. see this please: http://up.download.ir/di-V9D3.png
[06:09] <ninjaaron> eh, If I was banned from the Ubuntu forums, am I banned here as well or what?
[06:10] <aeon-ltd> the_dark_knight: you could just test this, by running it then checking with top
[06:10] <wajeemba> wols: didn't work. I've got partitions left over from everywhere, so I'm just gonna clean wipe and install OS's again..
[06:11] <Seven_Six_Two> awesome. all this trouble because of poor epub formatting, and then the filesystem bailed and I lost the file. I found another copy on the internet, and the formatting is perfect. 2 hour waste of time.
[06:11] <wajeemba> Is there any big no-no to setting up my entire hard drive under a logical partition. I seem to enjoy creating ~8-10 partitions to play around with..
[06:11] <Haris> installing from CD is the last resort for me
[06:12] <Haris> the good option for me is network install
[06:12] <the_dark_knight> aeon-ltd: ok. hold on. after putting this sample.conf in $HOME/.init  do I need to restart something?
[06:12] <the_dark_knight> aeon-ltd: or should I directly put it in /etc/init/
[06:13] <Seven_Six_Two> wajeemba, the partition with your kernel has to be primary, iirc
[06:13] <aeon-ltd> i've no idea on how upstart works, but try in your home first
[06:13] <aln> rootbrian: phone line in connected to the modem directly.
[06:13] <Seven_Six_Two> wajeemba, the rest of the partitions you can do what you like.
[06:13] <deitarion> Seven_Six_Two: Are you sure? I thought, as long as GRUB was installed into the master MBR rather than the partition MBR, that requirement didn't apply.
[06:14] <Seven_Six_Two> deitarion, no, I'm not 100% sure.
[06:14] <wajeemba> Seven_Six_Two: hmm, ok. I'm assuming if that's the case, windows probably wouldn't like it either..
[06:14] <deitarion> I'm pretty sure Windows needs to boot from a primary partition.
[06:14] <rootbrian> aln: Did you configure the PPPoE settings correctly from within the modem itself?
[06:15] <andrewx> Anyone handy with Bash have a minute /msg me, thanks :)
[06:15] <wajeemba> Other question I have: should I be creating a separate partition for /boot, since I'm planning on triple booting Ubuntu/Win8/Arch
[06:16] <deitarion> wajeemba: Separate partition for /boot isn't really that useful anymore since most distros either put the recovery shell in initrd or give you a /boot that can't run on its own.
[06:16] <Seven_Six_Two> wajeemba, you don't have to.
[06:17] <keshav> nautious ??
[06:17] <keshav> nautilus ?
[06:17] <wajeemba> Seven_Six_Two, deitarion, yeah, seems like every distro wants it's own boot folder.. so my followup question is, where will the final resting place of grub be if I don't create a separate partition?
[06:18] <keshav> how to update grub help me plz
[06:18] <Haris> is the netboot iso different from the normal server iso for ubuntu ?
[06:19] <aln> rootbrian: In Windows it is working correctly
[06:19] <deitarion> wajeemba: You'll have the GRUB loader stub in the MBR and it'll reference whichever /boot installed it.
[06:19] <keshav> hello any indian here?
[06:20] <rootbrian> aln: I guess the manufacturer didn't intend it to work with Linux. I suggest getting a refund and going about the ADSL/DSL modem and router individually if possible, like i'm doing. It's less trouble.
[06:20] <wajeemba> deitarion: ok, I figured there must be a reference in the mbr. that will live within the first 512 bytes of the hard drive, and I won't have to worry about trying to save space for it in gparted? (seems to want to save 1MB by default)
[06:21] <rootbrian> aln: i'm thinking bridge is the only way it'll work.
[06:21] <Jordan_U> aln: Why do you want to connect via PPPoE?
[06:22] <deitarion> wajeemba: Give it the 1MB. It's one measly megabyte and it probably knows better than you do.
[06:22] <Seven_Six_Two> aln, are there settings in the device for vci/vpi
[06:22] <aln> Jordan_U: To share internet via my laptop or cellphone.
[06:23] <wajeemba> deitarion: oh, I fully plan on it. I'm just trying to connect my new knowledge to what I've seen going on previously. :)
[06:23] <aln> Seven_Six_Two: yes
[06:23] <Seven_Six_Two> did you verify that they are correct for your isp
[06:23] <Jordan_U> aln: By "via" do you mean "to"?
[06:23] <wols> wajeemba: will you run windows too?
[06:24] <wajeemba> wols: yes, win8
[06:24] <wols> wajeemba: if you run windows, make the windows partition primary. all the others can be extended partitions: linux doesn't care
[06:24] <aln> Jordan_U: "with". Sorry for my English.
[06:24] <deitarion> wajeemba: It should live within the boot sector. I believe the 1MiB left free is to compensate for idiosyncrasies in some OS/bootloader/hardware combination I'm not familiar with.
[06:24] <wols> wajeemba: install windows first. leave space for ubuntu and arch, then install them
[06:25] <The_BROS> How to move sent mails from thunderbird to Gmail sent folder?
[06:25] <wajeemba> wols: yeah, that's what I was planning for order. :)
[06:25] <Jordan_U> aln: Is it correct to say that you want to browse the internet on your cellphone, using the DSL modem to conenct rather than the cell's data plan?
[06:26] <wajeemba> wols: is it only possible to have 1 extended partition?
[06:26] <rootbrian> aln: If you intend to tether to your cellular phone, you'll need either a USB bluetooth dongle or the smartphone's Mobile Hotspot functionality and likely, a tethering or data option enabled.
[06:27] <wols> wajeemba: pretty much but with as many partitions inside as you want more or less
[06:27] <Jordan_U> wajeemba: No, but it rarely makes sense to have more than one.
[06:27] <wols> technically you could create 4 extended partitions i guess. but silly to do so
[06:27] <Seven_Six_Two> extended is container for logical
[06:28] <wajeemba> that's funny, because gparted doesn't look like it wants to make more than 1.. Don't think I'll need more than one tho, it would be more of a hassle to manage more..
[06:28] <Seven_Six_Two> no, I think you can have only 1
[06:28] <the_dark_knight> aeon-ltd: still no luck. please help me out here
[06:28] <Seven_Six_Two> <waves hand jedi-like>
[06:29] <aln> Jordan_U: Yes. I want to use internet in laptop and smartphone simultaneously.
[06:29] <Jordan_U> Seven_Six_Two: Any of your primary partition slots (even all of them) can be used as extended partitions. It just doesn't make much sense to do so as you lose flexibility and gain nothing.
[06:31] <stuart_> Does Ubuntu support desktop which you can interact with? Like have a box inside my desktop be a terminal
[06:32] <deitarion> stuart_: Could you rephrase that? I get the impression I'm misunderstanding what you're asking.
[06:32] <deitarion> Oh, wait. I see now.
[06:33] <stuart_> Like my desktop is just a picture, can programs like they are a part of my desktop
[06:33] <Seven_Six_Two> Jordan_U, wikipedia entry on mbr disagrees.   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#PC_partition_types
[06:33] <deitarion> stuart_: Yeah. There are basically two ways you can do something like that.
[06:33] <rootbrian> aln: you'll likely have to use one or the other.
[06:33] <Jordan_U> Seven_Six_Two: I stand corrected then. Thanks.
[06:33] <deitarion> stuart_: The first (and most common) way is to set up a terminal which runs on login, has no borders, and is set to always stay below other windows and not appear in the taskbar.
[06:34] <rootbrian> aln: Under my impression, Mobile Hotspot works with up to five devices. Bluetooth, only one.
[06:34] <Seven_Six_Two> Jordan_U, np. I just learned that too
[06:34] <deitarion> stuart_: The second is to replace the program which draws the desktop with something else. (That's usually used for visual tricks like using a movie or a screensaver as your desktop wallpaper)
[06:34] <stuart_> deitarion: for the second one, what could I google to learn more about it?
[06:35] <deitarion> stuart_: Look into running applications in the root window.
[06:35] <aln> rootbrian: Thanks a lot  for your help
[06:35] <deitarion> stuart_: Give me a sec and I'll give you an example.
[06:35] <deitarion> stuart_: Also, what desktop are you running?
[06:35] <aln> Jordan_U: Thanks:)
[06:35] <aln> Seven_Six_Two: Thanks:)
[06:35] <stuart_> deitarion, gnome 3
[06:35] <sasuke> hi guys :)
[06:36] <deitarion> stuart_: Then you can't use the root window trick. Anything with a fancy, modern desktop handler draws the desktop as a big window covering the root window.
[06:36] <deitarion> (You can run stuff in the root window, but it'll be hidden by the desktop which covers it and can't be hijacked in that manner)
[06:37] <deitarion> However, there may be plugins for GNOME 3 to achieve a similar effect.
[06:37] <sasuke> suddenly my mouse is stop working, is there any service  or cmd to enable mouse again
[06:37] <stuart_> deitarion, what desktop did you have in mind? unity?
[06:37] <deitarion> sasuke: Did you try unplugging and replugging it?
[06:37] <Jordan_U> rootbrian: aln is *not* trying to teather.
[06:37] <sasuke> deitarion, its laptop mouse . i am not using any external one
[06:38] <deitarion> stuart_: Actually, I was thinking of something more like LXDE or Xfce where the panels and the desktop are drawn by separate programs and you can turn off the one that draws your desktop and drop in your own.
[06:38] <deitarion> sasuke: Ugh. I generally avoid laptops. Do you know enough keyboard shortcuts to run "xev" so we can see if it's still seeing your mouse clicks?
[06:39] <Jordan_U> aln: What you're trying to do, have multiple devices accessing the internet from the same router, is how routers come configured by default and should work perfectly fine. You do *not* want PPPoE or bridged mode though, as those both allow only one device to connect at a time (though I will admit I'm not very familiar with "bridged mode" and may be wrong there).
[06:40] <stuart_> deitarion, ok thanks, I will try and see if i can get gnome to do it
[06:40] <deitarion> Jordan_U: Bridged mode is for when you want to use your own router rather than the one built into the DSL/Cable modem.
[06:40] <deitarion> Jordan_U: Whether you can connect more than one PC in bridged mode without using your own router depends on whether you've bought extra public IP addresses from your ISP.
[06:41] <sasuke> deitarion, ya some shortcuts i know. now i am only using my keyboard. i want to restart mouse drives. i know there is some cmd, but i am not sure... so i need help :)
[06:42] <deitarion> sasuke: One thing you could try is using Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to the system console and then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back into the GUI. That'll probably cause your X server to reset its drivers at least somewhat. (If Ctrl+Alt+F7 doesn't work, try other F keys since, on rare occasions, the X server ends up on a virtual console other than #7)
[06:44] <afidegnum> hello, pls can anyone assist me? I am having an 400 Bad Request      Request Header Or Cookie Too Large   error on my config
[06:44] <Jordan_U> deitarion: Ahh, that makes sense. Still, that does not seem to be what aln should be trying to use, and nor does PPPoE (considering that the modem and router are combined). I'm pretty sure that aln just wants the standard configuration of a home wireless access point and router using NAT and having the router itself handle the DSL connection (since the router and modem are on the same device).
[06:44] <Jordan_U> deitarion: We just need to figure out how to walk them through achieving that with their device :)
[06:44] <deitarion> Jordan_U: That depends on his ISP and how he's using PPPoE. I know my router+modem needs PPPoE configured because that's how my ISP talks to it.
[06:45] <rootbrian> aln: sorry if I got lost/got you lost. Just plugging the computer into the modem-router via the ethernet cable will work fine.
[06:45] <sasuke> deitarion, i got the answer from askubuntu.com, here is the command "sudo modprobe psmouse" . It works for me. Thanks for the info. have a nice day :)
[06:46] <wajeemba> for flexibility, I'm thinking of leaving a little unpartitioned space in the middle of my hard drive. That way I can give it to an operating system partition or my storage partition later just by a simple partition expansion. Is anything strange going to happen if I format this relatively massive extra space as swap ~20GB
[06:48] <deitarion> wajeemba: Can't help you there. I've never used that much swap space because I've got four hard drives and I split my swap space across them so I can configure load balancing and have out-of-memory thrashing a little more bearable when one of my dev builds starts leaking memory.
[06:49] <wajeemba> I mean, I figure why not mark it open if it's otherwise going to be unallocated..
[06:49] <wols> wajeemba: will be fine
[06:50] <wols> but you can't use unpartitioned space as swapspace
[06:50] <deitarion> wols: I believe he's asking whether there's any problem with making a 20GiB swap partition and then, at some point in the future, retiring it and re-partitioning.
[06:50] <wols> < wajeemba> for flexibility, I'm thinking of leaving a little unpartitioned space in the middle of my hard drive
[06:51] <deitarion> wols: Yes, that's the intent of the space, but I might phrase it that way too.
[06:51] <wajeemba> wols: right, I'd format it as swap, and then toss it later and make a smaller one to the side if I want more space on the neighboring partitions. Mostly just asking what's going to happen if I have a 20GiB swap file with daily use
[06:52] <deitarion> wols: Your interpretation is akin to insisting that nobody has more than 100MiB of RAM free on any Linux box because opportunistic disk caching means the memory isn't free in the strictest sense.
[06:52] <wols> deitarion: please stop
[06:52] <deitarion> wols: Already done.
[06:53] <aln> Jordan_U: Sorry. Please see this:http://www.techlineinfo.com/configuration-guide-of-adsl-wifi-modem-d-link-dsl-2730-u-for-bsnl-and-mtnl/
[06:54] <aln> Jordan_U:  PPPoE mode is essential to share the internet connection with multiple PCs, Laptops, Smart phones etc.
[06:54] <deitarion> wajeemba: Well, I can tell you that nothing out of the ordinary happened with 6 to 8 GiB of swap space in multiple 2GiB partitions.
[06:55] <deitarion> aln, Jordan_U: That looks right. Basically, in PPPoE mode, the device handles authenticating with your ISP. In bridged mode, it just translates DSL to ethernet so you can plug another router in down the line and let that second one do the PPPoE.
[06:56] <wajeemba> deitarion: I mean, if 20GB of swap gets written to during a normal session, that's fine. The space will fill up. It's really not going to affect the number of disk writes, It'll just spread them out over the 20 gb instead of a smaller space..
[06:56] <deitarion> wajeemba: ...yes? What was your question then?
[06:57] <wajeemba> deitation: just needed to say it out loud to think it thru I guess. didn't want to be causing more disk writes and speeding the failure of the disk..
[06:58] <aln> deitarion: Can you explain more?
[06:58] <deitarion> wajeemba: Ahh. Yeah, as long as it's a spinning platter disk, no harm. If it's an SSD, putting any swap on it is bad.
[06:58] <deitarion> aln: With DSL, you need to log into your ISP using a username and password. It used to be that the DSL modem was a separate device which you plugged your router into.
[06:59] <kristenbb_> hi, how to install my graphic card driver?
[06:59] <deitarion> aln: Now that they're on the same circuit board, there needs to be a way to turn the router part of the device off so you can use your own router if you have a better one. That's what bridged mode does.
[07:01] <kristenbb_> hello?
[07:01] <wajeemba> deitarion: good stuff. Off to install the windows I guess..
[07:02] <deitarion> aln: Basically, if you're not sure, want PPPoE mode 9 times out of 10.
[07:02] <deitarion> s/want/you want/
[07:03] <deitarion> aln: Think of "bridged mode" as the on-switch for a certain type of after-market add-on.
[07:04] <aln> deitarion: Is this only one solution? Are there any another solution?
[07:04] <kristenbb_> can someone please confirm that you're reading me?
[07:04] <faux> i see you
[07:04] <deitarion> kristenbb_: We tend to ignore random "hello?" lines while we wait for people to actually ask their question.
[07:05] <kristenbb_> deitarion: the question was right above, was it not printed on the irc server?
[07:05] <deitarion> aln: That question gives me the impression that you are really out of your depth. What, exactly, are you trying to do?
[07:05] <deitarion> kristenbb_: Oh, sorry. I didn't notice it.
[07:06] <deitarion> kristenbb_: You asked your question poorly. Give as much detail as possible in the initial question. At the very least, is it an ATi, nVidia, or Intel onboard graphics card or do you need help determining that?
[07:07]  * wajeemba leaves a tip
[07:07] <kristenbb_> I actually think I managed to make it work, by using a software called 'additional drivers'. It asks me to restart
[07:07] <kristenbb_> i'll be back
[07:08] <deitarion> aln: (I know you probably explained what you were trying to do, but I was very distracted at the time and it's awkward for me to check that far into a busy backlog with my current client)
[07:08] <jagginess> maybe john connor told him to say that
[07:11] <rootbrian> aln: if it's a wireless modem router, why don't you connect via wifi instead and let DHCP take care of it all?
[07:12] <rootbrian> aln: Press and hold the reset button until it reboots, release. this will reset it to the defaults, then enter the PPPoE information your internet service provider gave you, then apply the settings. Next, connect to it via wifi. That's all you need to do.
[07:12] <the_dark_knight> hi, I have one very important porblem related to upstart. My sample.conf and sample.sh are here http://www.bpaste.net/raw/chfJp8rB37ci5HKgbymF/. when i do sudo initctl emit sample, it hangs my computer. I have to restart it manually. please help. am i doing it right?
[07:12] <aln> rootbrian: With my desktop computer?
[07:13] <faux> reboot
[07:13] <faux> sorry, console in other window >.>
[07:13] <kristenbb> it's still me. it's actually worse than before. I now can't even log in, after the system boots, I get a window saying 'tthe system is running in low graphics mode. your screen, graphics card, and input device settings, could not be detected correctly, you need to configure them yourself'. what should i do   ?
[07:13] <fitgist> is there a copy command that gives MB/sec and progress bars in a shell?
[07:14] <rootbrian> aln: connect the desktop computer's Ethernet cable to either port numbered 1, 2, 3 or 4.
[07:15] <wols> kristenbb: what videocard do you have?
[07:15] <rootbrian> aln: also, before you do that, reset anything you changed via Edit Connections, or where you made the changes.
[07:15] <the_dark_knight> hi, I have one very important porblem related to upstart. My sample.conf and sample.sh are here http://www.bpaste.net/raw/chfJp8rB37ci5HKgbymF/. when i do sudo initctl emit sample, it hangs my computer. I have to restart it manually. please help. am i doing it right?
[07:15] <kristenbb> wols: nvidia
[07:16] <wols> kristenbb: be more precise
[07:16] <kristenbb> wols: nvidia  gtx 680
[07:16] <aln> rootbrian: Thanks a lot for your attention and for your help.
[07:16] <aln> rootbrian: :)
[07:16] <rootbrian> aln: your welcome.
[07:16] <rootbrian> aln: I was a newbie at one time. ;)
[07:16] <aln> rootbrian: :)
[07:17] <deitarion> rootbrian, aln: And my apologies for complicating things. I didn't think before I jumped in on the topic of PPPoE mode vs bridged mode.
[07:17] <deitarion> (I saw the one detail I did know and forgot to check the backlog to catch up on the rest of them)
[07:17] <wols> kristenbb: pastebin your Xorg.0.log
[07:17] <kristenbb> wols: how do you mean, I can't even log in. what should I do ?
[07:17] <aln> deitarion: Thanks:)
[07:18] <rootbrian> deitarion: no problem. I often get confused and mixed up.
[07:18] <jagginess> deitarion, you need to still use a script for the gui?
[07:19] <the_dark_knight> hey guys please help me on this. upstart
[07:19] <rootbrian> kristenbb: continue to run in low graphics mode, uninstall the nvidia drivers.
[07:19] <jagginess> the_dark_knight, there's a wiki and ubuntu help about upstart
[07:19] <deitarion> jagginess: Context, please?
[07:19] <jagginess> deitarion, something about 'composite'
[07:19] <jagginess> deitarion, a little while back..
[07:19] <rootbrian> kristenbb: Which NVIDIA driver are you using? The open source or the proprietary?
[07:20] <deitarion> jagginess: Oh, yeah. I've got this script I wrote which is sort of like DxDiag for Linux (it gathers debugging information to be attached to bug reports for games and other multimedia applications) and it doesn't yet check whether there's desktop compositing in effect.
[07:20] <jagginess> opensource == nv , proprietary == "nvidia"
[07:20] <deitarion> jagginess: Actually, opensource == "nv" or "nouveau"
[07:20] <kristenbb> rootbrian: I just tried installing the proprietary with the software called 'additional drivers'
[07:20] <jagginess> deitarion, um.. what are you trying to accomplish doing with the composite detail?
[07:21] <jagginess> deitarion, there's gui app helpers, like aRandr, and there's cli commands like xrandr, xdpyinfo
[07:21] <kristenbb> rootbrian: but I can't get to low graphics mode,  all I got was tty1, a console with no desktop
[07:21] <rootbrian> kristenbb: I suggest disabling the proprietary and going with the open source ones.
[07:21] <rootbrian> kristenbb: startx
[07:22] <rootbrian> kristenbb: type startx, hit enter.
[07:22] <kristenbb> rootbrian: it shows a blank screen
[07:22] <kristenbb> rootbrian: no unity
[07:22] <wols> kristenbb: ctrl+alt+f1 and you can log in
[07:22] <deitarion> jagginess: I'm already gathering output from xrandr and xdpyinfo (among others) but I couldn't see anything that says whether there's a compositor active.
[07:22] <deitarion> jagginess: Here's the script in question: https://gist.github.com/3759156
[07:22] <kristenbb> wols: i am logged in, but still no desktop
[07:23] <wols> kristenbb: when you are logged in you can pastebin the log file I requested. please do
[07:23] <rootbrian> kristenbb: if you logged in via the terminal where you're at, type startx and is there anything showing?
[07:23] <jagginess> deitarion, oh yeah.. one of the glxinfo commands can probably shoot out what you're looking for, try apropos glx
[07:23] <rootbrian> kristenbb: also, follow wols's directions
[07:24] <kristenbb> rootbrian: yes there is, just a blank sscreen
[07:24] <kristenbb> rootbrian: I mean, I can see the desktop, but no unity
[07:24] <kristenbb> wols: how can I pastebin without a desktop environment
[07:24] <jagginess> deitarion, but there's already gui apps that show this.. just a couple of apt-cache searches...
[07:24] <rootbrian> okay, press alt-f2 and then type in unity
[07:25] <deitarion> jagginess: I have no clue what to apt-cache search. I know there are apps like fusion-icon which show which WM is active, but I have yet to see one which checks whether compositing is enabled.
[07:25] <rootbrian> kristenbb: Alt-F2. Type in unity, hit enter.
[07:25] <kristenbb> rootbrian: alt f2 doesn't do anything
[07:25] <deitarion> (For example, KWin from KDE 4 can be toggled between composited like Compiz or un-composited like Openbox with a simple keypress)
[07:25] <rootbrian> kristenbb: Press ctrl-alt-f7 and see if anything shows
[07:26] <kristenbb> rootbrian: yes, some random text
[07:26] <kristenbb> rootbrian: the last line is 'mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth               [OK]'
[07:26] <rootbrian> kristenbb: Since we cannot see what's on the screen, I am going to suggest doing a reinstall.
[07:27] <kristenbb> rootbrian: a reinstall of what?
[07:27] <wols> !pastebin
[07:27] <rootbrian> kristenbb: The current version of ubuntu you're running.
[07:27] <wols> !pastebinit | kristenbb
[07:28] <kristenbb> rootbrian: that's nott convenient, I just lost a lot of time setting up my new system
[07:28] <vivid> W:Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/Release.gpg  Unable to connect to extras.ubuntu.com:http:
[07:28] <rootbrian> kristenbb: This is out of my reach. Sorry.
[07:29] <kristenbb> wols: which file do you want me to give you again? and where is it?
[07:29] <deitarion> jagginess: As far as things like xrandr, xdpyinfo, and glxinfo go, I'll probably have to just log into KDE 4, run `(xrandr -q -v ; xdpyinfo -queryExtensions -ext all; glxinfo -t -v -l) 2>&1 1>log.txt`, toggle compositing, log them again, and diff the logs to see if anything reliable shows up.
[07:29] <kristenbb> wols: I can't see anything starting with xorg or Xorg in my home.
[07:30] <wols> kristenbb: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:30] <jagginess> deitarion, there's arandrd or a<>randr that is a gui app .. i don't know if it shows other things
[07:31] <deitarion> jagginess: Probably not. I get the impression the XRANDR extension doesn't know or care about compositing
[07:31] <jagginess> deitarion, but ehm.. maybe you should ask in #xorg, they can point you to better resouces
[07:32] <deitarion> jagginess: Point. I'll try that if nothing shows up in the brute-force diffing of of the command outputs between KWin's composited and un-composited modes.
[07:32] <rommel092079> hello I am terribly new ubuntu i would like to ask how to install and or update software with ubuntu using commandline
[07:32] <deitarion> rommel092079: `sudo apt-get install name-of-package` or `sudo apt-get upgrade`
[07:33] <jagginess> deitarion, but it's kinda pointless what you're doing because people should not or don't ever toggle their live window managers..
[07:33] <vivid> rommel092079, and 'sudo apt-get update' to update the package cache
[07:33] <deitarion> jagginess: I think you misunderstand somehow. The reason I'm toggling is because it minimizes the number of things that differ between "with compositing" and "without compositing".
[07:34] <wastrel> what are we toggling
[07:34] <deitarion> wastrel: I'm trying to find a WM-agnostic way to detect compositing and I'll be testing by using KDE 4, where you can turn compositing on and off with a single keyboard shortcut.
[07:35] <jagginess> deitarion, but either the window manager should be set to it or not.. i think it's not very well supported for the libraries to allow toggling to be securely done without having windows cropped up
[07:35] <jagginess> deitarion, ^
[07:35] <deitarion> jagginess: You really don't get what i'm talking about. The toggling is just an artifact of my test procedure.
[07:36] <rommel092079> i am usig centos right now and i have issues with their packages. some are installed with yum and some with using rpm.  is ubuntu done somewhat this way too or just with apt-get?
[07:36] <jagginess> rommel092079, #centos (you're in #ubuntu :)
[07:36] <jagginess> rommel092079, not the same thing
[07:36] <jagginess> ubuntu==dpkg/apt-get/aptitude , synaptic
[07:36] <vivid> rommel092079, its a similar situation, yum is equivalent to apt-get, while rpm is equivalent to dpkg
[07:36] <the_dark_knight> hey guys please help me out on the upstart
[07:37] <the_dark_knight> hi, I have one very important porblem related to upstart. My sample.conf and sample.sh are here http://www.bpaste.net/raw/chfJp8rB37ci5HKgbymF/. when i do sudo initctl emit sample, it hangs my computer. I have to restart it manually. please help. am i doing it right?
[07:37] <deitarion> jagginess: The whole point of this exercise is so a script can detect whether the desktop is composited without recognizing the WM by name and saying "Oh, Compiz! That's composited" or "Oh, KWin! I need to use <name of command> to check for compositing"
[07:37] <wols> rommel092079: yum is a rpm front end and doesn't install anything. apt-get gets the packages and does conflict resolution while all packages are installed via dpkg
[07:37] <jagginess> deitarion, i dont think there's a standard API for window managers to report if they're using a compositing feature..
[07:38] <wols> deitarion: you can't do this, cause the fact that it uses compositing is WM internal. all you can do is check for compositing support from the server
[07:38] <deitarion> jagginess: But there's probably a standard API for the X server to tell me that some WM has activated the rendering redirects inherent in compositing.
[07:38] <rommel092079> is there ever an instance where you will be needing to install using other than apt-get?
[07:38] <jagginess> deitarion, unless you can query some class trees like you can with old X intrisic classtrees
[07:39] <wols> rommel092079: depends what you do,but yes there is. but you can then uninstall this package via apt-get again if you want to
[07:39] <jagginess> deitarion, probably this might be another avenue, but other than that you'll have to probe it
[07:40] <jagginess> deitarion, again you should ask a higher level group on the subject.. but I do know you won't get an answer about scripting solutions
[07:40] <sandGorgon> hi guys - I'm now storing my ssh keys in a new location in /etc . how do I get selinux to allow sshd permission to read it ?
[07:40] <deitarion> jagginess: We shall see. I suspect that, whether it's glxinfo or xdpyinfo or some other such utility, if I set it verbose enough and query the right X extension, I'll find some indicator I can awk out and use.
[07:41] <jagginess> deitarion, you can probably script probing gnome classes, you'll have to find the right tools for scripting this, but the dev's at #xorg would point you to glx/xorg docs
[07:41] <jagginess> deitarion, not talking strictly on xdypinfo, but some other miscellaneous helper tool in the repos
[07:42] <rommel092079> what packages are installed with apt-get and dkpg?
[07:42] <jagginess> deitarion, (you can keep digging like -> apt-cache search glx ) dunno what grep can be used.. but there's always something
[07:42] <cloudgeek> guys for svn any hosting free like assemla!
[07:42] <wols> rommel092079: all
[07:42] <deitarion> jagginess: *nod* I'll drop into #xorg now and ask since it'll probably be low-effort.
[07:43] <rommel092079> wols: can you give me example on how to use dkpg to start with
[07:43] <jagginess> deitarion, what are you going to use with your script, xdialog? a misc tool like xdialog for the purpose you're looking for.. there's tools for scripting all sorts of stuff (and doubt #xorg can help you on this because you're not doing C)
[07:43] <somsip> cloudgeek: why not assembla? Free for no-frills isn't it?
[07:44] <wols> rommel092079: to do what?
[07:44] <cloudgeek> somsip: nope it's only free for 30 dyas
[07:44] <rommel092079> to install / update
[07:44] <cloudgeek> days
[07:44] <deitarion> jagginess: No gui whatsoever. It generates a debug dump to be attached to a bug report.
[07:45] <jagginess> deitarion, well there's also dmidecode that's sort a structured output
[07:45] <wols> cloudgeek: sourceforge
[07:45] <cloudgeek> best hosting for svn for private!
[07:45] <wols> or you use github
[07:45] <cloudgeek> wols: let me checkout sourceforge
[07:45] <deitarion> jagginess: Structured isn't necessarily a problem but it also requires root.
[07:45] <cloudgeek> wols: let me check if github gives free hosting for svn
[07:46] <somsip> cloudgeek: limited if you setup a team account for a trial period. Free for single users
[07:47] <somsip> cloudgeek: oh - maybe because i'm already signed in. Oh well
[07:47] <cloudgeek> somsip: we are 3 guys , we are working on the app deveopment, using svn which is best solution for us
[07:47] <jagginess> cloudgeek, I heard Linus Torvalds made git
[07:47] <somsip> cloudgeek: ok - see you need team collaboration. fair enough
[07:48] <jagginess> somsip, he, himself and hehe
[07:48] <cloudgeek> jagginess: but i am using java , but for most things i use git only
[07:48] <jagginess> cloudgeek, well apache.org has stuff, maybe ant (there's probably ant-addon capability for the eclipse IDE)
[07:49] <cloudgeek> somsip: ya we working for an NGO app ,that will be free
[07:49] <jagginess> cloudgeek, (eclipse and ant are tools for java development)
[07:49] <cloudgeek> jagginess: yep i using them
[07:49] <cloudgeek> jagginess: but how we can share and commit out code
[07:49] <jagginess> cloudgeek, "ant" ?
[07:49] <cloudgeek> our code
[07:50] <cloudgeek> jagginess: okay
[07:50] <jagginess> cloudgeek, dunno, maybe there's a git plugin for eclipse
[07:50] <the_dark_knight> hi, I have one very important porblem related to upstart. My sample.conf and sample.sh are here http://www.bpaste.net/raw/chfJp8rB37ci5HKgbymF/. when i do sudo initctl emit sample, it hangs my computer. I have to restart it manually. please help. am i doing it right?
[07:50] <kristenbb> wols: are you still there?
[07:51] <wols> yes
[07:51] <jagginess> the_dark_knight, what is that for? you'll definitely be safer using a crontab job for a user
[07:51] <kristenbb> wols: I managed to start unity using xinit
[07:51] <deitarion> There is a git plugin for eclipse. one sec.
[07:51] <jagginess> duh, i already told him
[07:52] <jagginess> that's his homework :)
[07:52] <deitarion> s/There is/There IS/ (I'm responding to your "maybe"
[07:52] <kristenbb> wols: the file you request can be found here: pastebin.com/4EMgfGGi
[07:52] <deitarion> )
[07:52] <jagginess> i dont think he wasn't listening to me.. but he knows better what he wants to do exactly.. :) lol
[07:53] <somsip> cloudgeek: you say git is okay for you? https://bitbucket.org/
[07:53] <deitarion> Given that I suspect that's true, probably better to give him the "for skeptical noobs"-designed GitHub page on the topic rather than the mess of old solutions in search results.
[07:54] <sandGorgon> hi guys - I'm now storing my ssh keys in a new location in /etc . how do I get selinux to allow sshd permission to read it ?
[07:54] <deitarion> http://eclipse.github.com/
[07:54] <jagginess> sandGorgon, if you enabled selinux, you need to reboot it, and update the selabel across the / drive
[07:54] <the_dark_knight> jagginess: but with cron I'll have to restart it for like per min. I want my process sample.py to be always up and running. you get the point? should I be doing initctl start sample. right?
[07:55] <jagginess> the_dark_knight, do you know what cron is? It sure doesn't sound like you do. You can specify repeats with cron
[07:55] <wols> kristenbb: have you connected your monitor via hdmi cable? if you specify the res manually in xorg.conf (run nvidia-settings) it should work
[07:56] <wols> the_dark_knight: then start it as a user's script. not upstart
[07:56] <kristenbb> wols: i don't understand what you're talking about regarding "res manually", sorry. But yes it's a hdmi cable.
[07:56] <jagginess> cron can allow user task jobs...
[07:57] <wols> kristenbb: display resolution.
[07:57] <kristenbb> wols: so what am I to do exactly ?
[07:57] <niklasharju> How  can I get 120hz, anybody know?
[07:57] <the_dark_knight> jagginess: from what I know and have used , cron will schedule some jobs periodically. say do run sample.sh everyday at 11AM, like that. But with upstart I want sample.py to run always. Even when it gets aborted for some reason i want it to restart it again.
[07:57] <jagginess> kristenbb, look in the menu for arandr or use xrandr in the cli
[07:57] <the_dark_knight> wols: I am not getting  it.
[07:57] <wols> jagginess: have you looked at his xorg log?
[07:57] <kristenbb> jagginess: what??
[07:58] <wols> the_dark_knight: what you want to do, upstart is the wrong place
[07:58] <kristenbb> jagginess: what's a 'arandr', 'xrandr', 'cli' ?
[07:58] <jagginess> kristenbb, arandr is a gui frontend for xrandr, xrandr/arandr do the same thing-- change screen res
[07:58] <the_dark_knight> wols: so what should I do then?
[07:58] <wols> the_dark_knight: do a cronjob which check if your script is already running. if it's not, make the cronjob start it. let the cronjob do this every 5 minutes
[07:58] <the_dark_knight> wols: I don't think cron is the option?
[07:59] <kristenbb> jagginess: I still don't understand what I should do
[07:59] <the_dark_knight> wols: i can't afford to stop for 1 min.
[07:59] <jagginess> kristenbb, look with your package manager for 'randr', see if there's a<>randr and install that, it would be in the menu somewhere..once you install that, you do the click click from the menu
[07:59] <wols> the_dark_knight: then why is your script stopping in the first place?
[08:00] <the_dark_knight> wols: which script?
[08:00] <jagginess> the_dark_knight, the python one
[08:00] <jagginess> lol
[08:00] <wols> the_dark_knight: your python script you talk about?
[08:00] <kristenbb> jagginess: you mean I should install a new software just to change my screen resolution? I'm sorry, I don't understand.
[08:01] <the_dark_knight> wols: jagginess, suppose if gearmand stops. it will stop. sample.py is nothing but a gearman worker.
[08:01] <thejoker> gearman worker? wtf is that? lol
[08:01] <thejoker> hahhhahahhaa
[08:01] <niklasharju> How can I get 120hz, anybody know?
[08:02] <somsip> the_dark_knight: so you want something to monitor gearman and restart iot if it stops?
[08:02] <jagginess> mN-, driver and monitor have to support it.
[08:02] <jagginess> mN-, if you using cheap fallback driver, you won't get high hertz
[08:02] <the_dark_knight> somsip: yes
[08:03] <mN-> jagginess: yea it does, i can only raise it to 100hz however through nvidia, but in win7 i can get the full 120hz
[08:03] <jagginess> mN-, how big is your screen?
[08:03] <wols> the_dark_knight: then start gearman inside a script which immediately starts it again if it stops for whatever reason
[08:03] <whitman> Is extras.ubuntu.com down?
[08:03] <wols> the_dark_knight: same would apply to your python script, et
[08:03] <the_dark_knight> somsip: I want some of my gearman workers to be allways running. they should restart after reboot, also if fail/abort they should restart on their own
[08:03] <wols> *etc
[08:03] <mN-> jagginess: hmm i think it's 23inches
[08:03] <mN-> jagginess:  1680x1050
[08:03] <wols> whitman: it's a normal web/ftp server. why don't you check for yourself?
[08:04] <jagginess> mN-, you using "nv" or "nvidia", maybe you should try the "nvidia" driver
[08:04] <the_dark_knight> wols: I am sorry. I don't understand the "inside a script which immediately starts it again if it stops " part
[08:04] <the_dark_knight> wols: Do you mean use upstart for this.
[08:04] <whitman> wols, I have, I can't connect but it could be a localised issue rather than being unavailable for everyone
[08:05] <wols> the_dark_knight: while (1) do: run gearman;
[08:05] <jagginess> the_dark_knight, i think cron may be able to do that.. to restart a task if it dies out prematurely
[08:05] <wols> whitman: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[08:05] <wols> jagginess: no it won't
[08:05] <mN-> jagginess:  im using NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (prop. ,tested)
[08:05] <jagginess> whitman, hey you know that book you wrote, 'leaves of grass', the poems don't rhyme.. it's quite a shame
[08:06] <jagginess> mN- tried the nvidia-settings gui tweaker?
[08:06] <mN-> jagginess:  what was the command?