[05:38] <dr_willis> right now i am Ticked at the Windows/Acrobat reader im trying to install..
[05:38] <TheHighChild> I think we can all agree that Windows is teh sux0r
[05:38] <TheHighChild> Probably why half of us are here ;)
[05:38] <Desh> :(
[05:38] <judgen> i mean, i could run windows 95 on my quad opteron rig, but i prefer something that does not suck the rear end of an donky, i mean the cpus are sure fast, but still
[05:38] <dr_willis> Stupud Acribat reader. you Cant download 'the program" you have to use their downloader tool.. which whenit fails to download the program self destructs it seems
[05:39] <Desh> Why won't it let em modprobe ndiswrapper?
[05:39] <Desh> *me
[05:39] <thompa> i think that some mac users are here too, more than usual
[05:39] <james_xxx> hey , i have been ready to kill k/x/ubuntu at times too, they all have their shortcomings. i am not going to be totally abandoning windows any time soon, howver i am using it less and less
[05:39] <judgen> TheHighChild ever tried adminitering an xserve?
[05:39] <TheHighChild> I bet Ubuntu on a Mac is awesome! I mean, with a very restricted driver-base, a lot fewer problems occur
[05:40] <TheHighChild> judgen yeah with 10.2 server. Teh Nightmare!
[05:40] <judgen> yeah
[05:40] <TheHighChild> I cannot imagine any server OS worse than 10.2
[05:40] <judgen> panther sux0r3d my b4llz
[05:40] <james_xxx> LOL
[05:40] <thompa> we have suse 9.3 on the server here
[05:40] <judgen> TheHighChild windows 95?
[05:40] <james_xxx> and tiger , too?
[05:40] <TheHighChild> Granted, i was a total newb when doing it but the Docs were horrible and NOTHING worked as advertised. Looked nice though. lol
[05:40] <Desh> Does anyone knw how I can force a modprovbe?
[05:40] <Desh> *modprobe
[05:40] <TheHighChild> Server OS?
[05:40] <bal> thanks for the help
[05:41] <thompa> just because the manuals were free
[05:42] <judgen> TheHighChild win 95 is famous for so many features 1. no multithreading. 2. no multitasking 3. no symmetric multi processing 4. no amount of ram larger than 512mb 5. no ram left after running more than an hour 6. nice builtin bug wich reboots the system every 49th day. I mean who could not love suc a system as server os
[05:42] <Desh> Ok, why would modprobing ndiswrapper not be allowed?
[05:43] <judgen> Desh forgot to sudo ? =P
[05:43] <TheHighChild> judgen but back in the day, it was acceptable. Honestly, win95 pretty much kicked up the whole home PC market. it may have sucked but it did what it needed to do on the home end, as for it as a Server OS. I have no idea
[05:43] <Desh> I am logged as root.
[05:43] <Desh> judgen: Even as root it won't allow it
[05:43] <judgen> TheHighChild nt4 was microsofts best os ever
[05:44] <james_xxx> what was linux like back in the days of Win95... was there a desktop yet?
[05:44] <judgen> fast, smp, no actual limits, small, cheap
[05:44] <TheHighChild> james_xxx yeah Red Hat 5? was back then or smething
[05:44] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: that early?
[05:45] <judgen> james_xxx concidering the time since mr.torvalds started (1991) to now is 14 years or so whilst msft has been in buissness since the 70s
[05:45] <ron_> Can anyone help me with a problem with konqueror toolbars and file menu?
[05:45] <james_xxx> judgen: yep
[05:46] <hupp3l> sorry i tried looking for a tutorial to install bcm43xx driver but can someone please show me to a tutorial to install it
[05:46] <hupp3l> i dont want to use ndiswrapper
[05:46] <james_xxx> if i install gnome on this kubuntu machine, KDE will still be the default , won't it?
[05:47] <TheHighChild> james_xxx googled a bit but couldn't find anything great. I know Xwindows has been around for a long time though
[05:47] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: yeah, i just don't know how widely linux was being used yet back in '95
[05:48] <judgen> TheHighChild xserver was used as long ago as on xerox machines
[05:48] <judgen> james_xxx back then we had minix and sco-unix to play with and they more than sufficed for our needs
[05:48] <TheHighChild> james_xxx well, how widely used is it today. Still not much.
[05:48] <james_xxx> but you do need to consider linux to be an outgrowth of unix as everyone knows
[05:48] <TheHighChild> For the desktop
[05:49] <hupp3l> lo?
[05:49] <judgen> james_xxx no, linux is not a fork, only inpired by unix
[05:49] <TheHighChild> james_xxx outgrowth? I wouldn't agree with that assessment. I'd say that it was inspired but not an outgrowth. For that, there needs to be some of the same.
[05:49] <james_xxx> judgen: i see... i am still learning about older OS's
[05:49] <james_xxx> inspired is a better was to say it
[05:49] <james_xxx> i agree
[05:50] <thompa> im going to try fluxbox
[05:50] <judgen> james_xxx and unix costed from 120 000$ and upwards so, when linux cam along as replacement we all (who earlier pirated unix) jumped on the bandwagon
[05:50] <james_xxx> $120.000?!?!?!
[05:50] <judgen> yup
[05:50] <TheHighChild> per CPU
[05:50] <james_xxx> ach du meine gte...
[05:51] <hupp3l> there is an essential package i must get to use commands like make and make install can someone show me the way real quick or just the basic name
[05:51] <judgen> TheHighChild depends if you were an "educational purpose"
[05:51] <judgen> then you could get a multicpu for the same price
[05:52] <TheHighChild> I am way out of my league with you Judgen. I'm WAY too young for that stuffs but I've read a good number of timelines ;)
[05:52] <judgen> hupp3l glibc?
[05:52] <hupp3l> nvm got it
[05:52] <hupp3l> build-essential
[05:52] <judgen> yup
[05:52] <pussfeller> why wont my kcontrol display module load
[05:52] <pussfeller> after my upgrade
[05:53] <judgen> well im going outside to get a bit smoked =P i have been up for 49 hours straight
[05:53] <TheHighChild> nice, take care bro
[05:54] <Qrawl> display where
[05:54] <Qrawl> it's best to add Settings to your menu
[05:54] <pussfeller> the screen rex thingee
[05:54] <pussfeller> rez thingee in kde
[05:54] <Qrawl> oh
[05:55] <pussfeller> not the one in xorg
[05:55] <TheHighChild> Anyone know how to get rid of the firefox dialog boxes that ALWAYS ask about encrypted pages?
[05:55] <Qrawl> it doesnt always ask
[05:55] <Qrawl> it asks like 2 times
[05:56] <Qrawl> My KControl Monitor adjustment module is working
[05:56] <pussfeller> altho, if i can figure out how to make my moniter 1024.768 and my tv from twinview 640x400 that would work, even in xorg
[05:56] <Qrawl> You looked in Peripherals?
[05:56] <Qrawl> of KControl
[05:56] <pussfeller> in breezy tho, i had it set in kde to change the rez and then the tv was fine
[05:56] <pussfeller> yeah, the module wont load
[05:56] <pussfeller> it says might be an old one laying around
[05:57] <judgen> pussfeller do a "sudo apt-get -f install kdebase"
[05:58] <pussfeller> it is uptodate judgen
[05:58] <judgen> hmm
[06:00] <balld> Can someone give me the name of the program similar to gkrellm that displays cpu/procs/temps, etc..?
[06:01] <balld> (to the desktop)
[06:01] <pussfeller> Option "MetaModes"                "1280x1024,1024x768; 1024x768,1024x768; 640x400, 640x400"
[06:01] <Hawkwind> balld: torcs, superkaramba ?
[06:01] <pussfeller> you mean superkaramba
[06:02] <pussfeller> gdesklets even
[06:02] <judgen> pussfeller tried removing the kcontroll settings file?
[06:02] <pussfeller> hmm
[06:02] <Qrawl> tj9991, hav you looked at Python
[06:02] <balld> Ok, let me google those, I thought it was named different...been a while since I read about it in Linux Format.
[06:02] <balld> Thank you
[06:03] <judgen> pussfeller /home/%username%/.kde/share/config/kcontrol
[06:03] <Hawkwind> balld: torcs used to have another name but I can't recall it a the moment
[06:04] <balld> Ok H, I appreciate that
[06:04] <lnxKDE> :D
[06:04] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, maybe it's not torcs either
[06:04] <Hawkwind> It starts with a t though I think
[06:04] <lnxKDE> someone here is using pentium EMT64? on kubuntu 64?
[06:04] <balld> lol
[06:05] <Qrawl> is Python good for Kubuntu scripting
[06:05] <pussfeller> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/displayconfig.py", line 1677, in create_displayconfig
[06:05] <pussfeller> its a script error
[06:05] <pussfeller> well evidently python is the backend to kcontrol
[06:05] <Qrawl> I know. that was just a coincidence
[06:06] <Qrawl> maybe you should do a fresh install
[06:06] <Qrawl> upgrades are messy
[06:06] <pussfeller> ack
[06:06] <pussfeller> i started using ubuntu to get away from messy
[06:07] <balld> <---always does fresh installs, 0% luck on upgrades
[06:08] <Hawkwind> balld: torsmo
[06:08] <threat> afternoon
[06:09] <balld> ty H, that's it I believe.  Works under KDE, right?
[06:09] <pussfeller> this seems to be teh last major thingee, getting my tv out to work like it used to
[06:09] <Hawkwind> balld: Works under any wm/de most certainly
[06:09] <Hawkwind> balld: I've run it under fluxbox, E17 and others
[06:09] <balld> Woohoo!
[06:09] <pussfeller> and then my logitech elite keyboard, which works in gnome
[06:09] <kakalto> is it possible to mount a cd image, then add it as a source for apt?
[06:09] <pussfeller> where is the gnome congifureation dir
[06:10] <kosh> hmm I have been doing continuous upgrades on debian based systems since I switched to sid about 6 years ago
[06:10] <kosh> live switched it to kubuntu breezy and then to dapper :)
[06:11] <balld> Heck, I used to be an old Mandrake fan(Mandriva now) then switched to Suse 9.3 and 10.0 until my WPA didn't work out of the box in 10.1, now I'm hooked on Kubuntu
[06:13] <pussfeller> this upgrade was relatively painless actually
[06:15] <Hawkwind> balld: I'm still using Mandriva as my main OS.  I run the http://SeerOfSouls.com/ website but will be switching to Kubuntu as my main os very very soon
[06:16] <Hawkwind> I'm running Kubuntu on a spare box now, and loving it
[06:18] <balld> Awsome! btw, the name I was thinking of was "conky" which is based off of torsmo
[06:18] <lnxKDE> someone here knows how to patch the kernel
[06:18] <lnxKDE> and I am getting this
[06:19] <lnxKDE> patch -p1 /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-<IP_ADDRESS> /media/media-hd/kernel-source/patch-2.6.17-rc6
[06:19] <lnxKDE> patch: **** File /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-<IP_ADDRESS> is not a regular file -- can't patch
[06:19] <lnxKDE> lnxkde@lnxkde-desktop:~$
[06:19] <balld> Hawkwind, I've got it on both of my laptops(Kubuntu) and no problems yet...even though I did have to enable the repositories on one of them because I wasn't networked at the time, took about 5 min. to figure out why no updates. But other than that, no problems
[06:20] <Hawkwind> balld: Ahh yes, conky is the new name I couldn't remember
[06:20] <balld> :)
[06:22] <RavenTest> Where is the hardware setting located? So you can change sound card drivers etc
[06:22] <zblach> hi. what
[06:23] <zblach> 're the fstab settings to automatically mount a fat32 partition on boot with no permission errors?
[06:24] <zblach> !fat32
[06:24] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:30] <james_xxx> i have installed a number of packages from adept that just do not show up in my menus... how do i correct this... or even access these programs
[06:31] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: Try running kmenu or whatever it is and click on save ?
[06:31] <james_xxx> ty
[06:31] <frank_> how would I make kaffeine play with 5% more brightness permanently?
[06:31] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: Sorry, kmenuedit
[06:31] <frank_> now I need to set it everytime I open kaffeine
[06:34] <frank_> james_xxx: try run kbuildsycoca in a terminal.
[06:35] <frank_> james_xxx: note that not all programs you install with adept will have links in the menu setup for you
[06:36] <judgen> im off to bed before i go to work
[06:36] <judgen> gnite everyone
[06:43] <james_xxx> frank_: ty
[06:44] <james_xxx> how does one change "themes" in KDE?
[06:46] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: kcontrol
[06:46] <nocloud> does anybody know how i log in as root through the konsole?
[06:46] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: You'll want Look & Feel IIRC
[06:46] <Hawkwind> nocloud: You use sudo
[06:46] <Hawkwind> nocloud: sudo apt-get install <package> and it will prompt you for the password
[06:46] <nocloud> thanks
[06:47] <Hawkwind> nocloud: No problem
[06:47] <james_xxx> ty Hawkwind
[06:47] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: You're welcome
[06:54] <Desh> Where is thndiswrapper intructions?
[06:54] <Desh> the ndiswrapper*
[06:54] <Hawkwind> !ndiswrapper
[06:54] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:55] <Desh> Thanks.
[06:55] <Hawkwind> No problem
[06:56] <Desh> Has anyone gotten ndiswrapper working on Dapper?
[06:57] <Desh> After the update ndiswrapper and my sound died.
[06:57] <ChefWill> Desh: what kind of wifi you have?
[06:57] <Desh> It's Wireless G, builtin to the laptop.
[06:57] <ChefWill> broadcom?
[06:57] <Desh> Yes.
[06:58] <Desh> I have the corret drivers that worked before.
[06:58] <Desh> *correct
[06:58] <frank_> james_xxx: did it work?
[06:58] <ChefWill> its cause dapper has an integrated broadcom driver now so theres a conflict
[06:58] <ChefWill> you have to disable the drivers that come bundled with dapper
[06:58] <james_xxx> frank_: yep, that is what i was looking for
[06:58] <Desh> No no, but the problem is, that I cannot modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:58] <Desh> How would I do that?
[06:59] <james_xxx> good night all, thanks for the help frank_
[06:59] <frank_> james_xxx: that is definitely a bug though. I'll check if its been reported. I had that happen
[06:59] <balld> gn
[06:59] <ChefWill> Desh:  do this first: echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:00] <Desh> Ok, now what?
[07:00] <ChefWill> now:
[07:00] <ChefWill> sudo rmmod bcm43xx
[07:00] <ChefWill> then sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[07:00] <ChefWill> then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:00] <Desh> ERROR: Module bcm43xx does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:00] <Desh> ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:01] <ChefWill> did you uninstall ndiswrapper?
[07:01] <Desh> Yes.
[07:01] <ChefWill> oh
[07:01] <Desh> SHould I install it from Adept?
[07:01] <ChefWill> well now reinstall it as normal
[07:01] <Desh> Or apt-get
[07:01] <ChefWill> and it should work
[07:01] <ChefWill> doesnt matter
[07:01] <Desh> Hmm..ok...
[07:01] <Desh> Let's hope so..
[07:01] <ChefWill> the echo command is what you needed
[07:01] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[07:01] <ChefWill> cause the driver that is bundled with dapper is conflicting with the one you installed
[07:02] <Desh> And that's why I couldn't modprobe it?
[07:02] <ChefWill> basically
[07:02] <Desh> Well, let's hope this works..
[07:02] <ChefWill> should
[07:03] <Desh> ndiswrapper-utils is what i want, right?
[07:03] <Desh> I hava that, source, and ndisgtk installed.
[07:03] <ChefWill> yea
[07:03] <_john> oh my
[07:03] <Desh> ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:03] <_john> its back
[07:03] <ChefWill> you gotta install ndiswrapper
[07:04] <ChefWill> !ndiswrapper
[07:04] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[07:04] <Desh> I did.
[07:04] <_john> but no mp3 in firefox?
[07:04] <ChefWill> you sure?
[07:04] <ChefWill> type "whereis ndiswrapper" and paste output
[07:05] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:05] <Desh> ndiswrapper: /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper /etc/ndiswrapper /usr/share/man/man8/ndiswrapper.8 /usr/share/man/man8/ndiswrapper.8.gz
[07:05] <ChefWill> ok so it should be installed
[07:05] <hupp3l> hey can someone help me real quick, I think it is a basic Q
[07:05] <ChefWill> now do you have the driver installed?
[07:05] <Desh> Yes
[07:05] <hupp3l> I have a script called netup (it is just a basic text file i made in kate)
[07:05] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Just ask your question and it's possible someone can/will
[07:06] <ChefWill> what is the output of ndiswrapper -l
[07:06] <hupp3l> i copied it to /bin
[07:06] <Desh> bcmwl5          driver present, hardware present
[07:06] <hupp3l> but now if i try to run it it says command not found
[07:06] <ChefWill> k
[07:06] <Desh> Should I try installing ndiswrapper from source?
[07:06] <ChefWill> desh: sudo depmod -a
[07:07] <Desh> Same.
[07:07] <ChefWill> ?
[07:07] <ChefWill> whats it say
[07:07] <Desh> Nothing, but when I do modprobe it says module not found.
[07:07] <ChefWill> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:08] <Desh> root@Hotwax:~# sudo depmod -a
[07:08] <Desh> root@Hotwax:~# modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:08] <Desh> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[07:08] <Desh> >_<
[07:08] <scanner> Goodmorning :o)
[07:08] <hupp3l> hi
[07:08] <balld> Hello
[07:09] <scanner> Linux it's really something cool
[07:09] <scanner> :o)
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Is it a bash script ?
[07:09] <scanner> ??
[07:09] <hupp3l> i think so
[07:09] <scanner> What?
[07:09] <scanner> A bash script?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Did you chmod +x netup first ?
[07:09] <ChefWill> Desh: one sec
[07:09] <balld> previous conversation scanner(disregard please)
[07:09] <hupp3l> no i didnt
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Or chmod +x /path/to/netup
[07:09] <scanner> Hey people
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: You need to do that
[07:10] <hupp3l> iso i do that?
[07:10] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Will it run as normal user or sudo ?
[07:10] <hupp3l> sudo
[07:10] <hupp3l> its to get my network up
[07:10] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: sudo chmod +x /path/to/netup
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Supply the full path to where the script is
[07:11] <scanner> Have someone a problem with console if you press CTRL+ALT+1....6
[07:11] <scanner> ?
[07:11] <scanner> :-(
[07:11] <hupp3l> so when i do that i still need to type sudo netup right?
[07:11] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Correct
[07:11] <ChefWill> Desh: you have gcc installed?
[07:11] <Desh> Yes.
[07:11] <hupp3l> ok, anyway to make it a startup script?
[07:11] <Desh> 3.4
[07:11] <hupp3l> thank you Hawkwind that already helped me a lot
[07:12] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: No problem at all
[07:12] <scanner> After I installed the Nvidia driver my shell session become just black
[07:12] <balld> Hawkwind is 'The Man'
[07:12] <Hawkwind> balld: Shhh, don't say that too loud :)
[07:12] <hupp3l> definitely
[07:12] <balld> lol
[07:12] <scanner> ?
[07:12] <Hawkwind> balld: I'll have to start asking for donations if you do
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Heh
[07:13] <balld> Why not? Paypal accepted here
[07:13] <balld> lol
[07:13] <scanner> ?
[07:13] <Desh> ChefWill: What about trying to use the supplied drivers?
[07:13] <scanner> which?
[07:13] <Hawkwind> balld: I have a big paypal button on my website :)
[07:13] <Desh> ChefWill: Instead of ndiwswrapper
[07:13] <ChefWill> we could Desh
[07:13] <ChefWill> uninstall ndiswrapper
[07:13] <scanner> me?
[07:14] <Hawkwind> scanner: No
[07:14] <Hawkwind> scanner: ChefWill is speaking with Desh
[07:14] <ChefWill> im only talking to desh
[07:15] <scanner> No one can help me?
[07:15] <scanner> :-(
[07:16] <balld> Hawkwind can...and only for $9.95
[07:16] <balld> j/k
[07:16] <ChefWill> Desh: tell me when you have it uninstalled
[07:16] <balld> You said after you installed your drivers your terminal session crashed?
[07:17] <Desh_> ChefWill: Sorry, laptop battery ran out.
[07:17] <ChefWill> ok
[07:17] <ChefWill> you get it uninstalled completely?
[07:18] <Desh_> I removed all 3 packages with adept.
[07:18] <ChefWill> k
[07:18] <ChefWill> now
[07:18] <ChefWill> sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:18] <Desh_> gedit not found
[07:18] <ChefWill> and look for the blacklist bcm43xx line and delete it, save and exit
[07:18] <ChefWill> er
[07:18] <Desh_> can i use kwrite
[07:18] <ChefWill> yea
[07:18] <ChefWill> sorry, i was ubuntu
[07:19] <Desh_> Ok, done.
[07:19] <ChefWill> ok
[07:20] <raf> hello all, How can I strip out a linux installation CD, I mean, remove unwanted packages and add custom configuration and other packages?
[07:20] <ChefWill> do you have wifi radar installed?
[07:20] <Desh_> Not sure..
[07:20] <ChefWill> should be in apps>internet if it is
[07:20] <ChefWill> or whereis wifi-radar
[07:21] <ChefWill> it conflicts with the driver
[07:21] <Desh_> wifi-radar:
[07:21] <Desh_> Guess not.
[07:21] <ChefWill> k
[07:22] <balld> raf, do you mean on a livecd? Other than that, you can generally pick and choose(in advanced installation mode) which packages to install or not
[07:22] <raf> no, no livecd, a normal cd
[07:22] <raf> ok, but what if the package I need is not in the CD?
[07:22] <kakalto_> how can I remove a {k,ed,x,}ubuntu-desktop package and all that it installs?
[07:23] <raf> I want a custom CD to install on several machines, but I don't want to make an image of an existing linux installation
[07:23] <ChefWill> Desh_:  sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:24] <Desh_> ChefWill: Ok
[07:24] <ChefWill> now
[07:24] <balld> Most linux distributions allow you to make a copy of your specialized installation(i.e. the packages you choose to install) and then you just boot up that particular package group on the other installs
[07:24] <ChefWill> zless /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter/README.gz
[07:24] <ChefWill> pick one of those and do
[07:25] <ChefWill> sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware FILE YOU WANT TO DOWNLOAD
[07:25] <Desh_> Well, I have the driver already.
[07:25] <raf> or even better, a CD which I couldn't need any user interaction at install time, just put the CD and let the installation to done
[07:25] <Desh_> Should I use the same one that I used for ndiswrapper?
[07:26] <ChefWill> well actually
[07:26] <ChefWill> do this
[07:26] <ChefWill> wget http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:26] <ChefWill> then install it sudo dpkg -i bcm43xx-firmware_1.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:26] <Desh_> Ah!
[07:27] <ChefWill> ?
[07:27] <Desh_> Sorry, clicked it by mistake, ok done.
[07:27] <ChefWill> ok now
[07:27] <ChefWill> sudo modprobe bcm43xx
[07:28] <Desh_> FATAL: Module bcm43xx not found.
[07:28] <Desh_> :(!!!!
[07:28] <sUper> how do i install java into my firefox
[07:29] <ChefWill> you are on dapper Desh_?
[07:29] <Desh_> Yes.
[07:30] <Desh_> How do I check?
[07:30] <Desh_> I mean, I am almost certain.
[07:30] <Desh_> I edited the repository and did a dist-upgrade
[07:30] <ChefWill> pm me contents of
[07:31] <ChefWill> lsb_release -a
[07:31] <Desh_> Argh, can;t, I'm unregistered
[07:31] <ChefWill> ?
[07:31] <Desh> How do I register my nick?
[07:32] <ChefWill> er
[07:32] <ChefWill> this: /nickserv register password
[07:32] <Desh> Ok.
[07:32] <Desh> Pm'd
[07:32] <scanner> who has kubuntu dapper on a sony vaio?
[07:33] <dodo> morning :)
[07:33] <azathoth> anyone using captive on kubuntu? any issues?
[07:34] <dodo> i just installed kubuntu, cause i want to try it a bit... but the first problem i got.. how to get root? :D i cant remind typing in a root password, just a user password. and that one is definetly not the root password.... well now, how can i define a root password? :D
[07:35] <Desh> Root pass is the same as your primary user pass
[07:35] <Desh> To get root access with commands in the shell, use sudo  before the command
[07:36] <Desh> Also, if you want direct root access, choose a console logun at the login screen, login as root there, and do: startx
[07:36] <Desh> *login
[07:36] <Desh> That was directed at you, dodo.
[07:36] <iNiku> dodo: there is no root password in ubuntu by default, you're supposed to use sudo which asks for your own user password.
[07:37] <konrad1207> hi everyone, I have really annoying problem with terminal, console
[07:37] <dodo> Desh: i know, thanks :D but the root password is not the primary user password. when i try to sudo, i got a failure, telling me, that the login is incorrect.... ?! 0o
[07:37] <konrad1207> when I for instance type
[07:37] <dodo> iNiku: aaah, ok :)
[07:37] <konrad1207> top
[07:37] <konrad1207> in terminal
[07:37] <konrad1207> i get 'xterm': unknown terminal type.
[07:38] <konrad1207> someone have similar error?
[07:38] <Desh> Hmm...
[07:39] <kakalto_> is there a clean way of removing all packages related to the ubuntu derivitive(?) you have installed, just leaving the base?
[07:39] <Desh> dodo, when you restart, press ESC and then choose the Recovery Mode, that should log you in as root automatically
[07:40] <Desh> dodo: from there use the passwd <username> command to change passwords for root.
[07:40] <dodo> Desh: ok, and then i will get the possibilty of changing the root password?
[07:40] <dodo> Desh: ok, thanks :)
[07:40] <Desh> Yes.
[07:40] <Desh> However
[07:40] <dodo> Desh: but, why doesnt kubuntu just ask for a root password while installing? 0o
[07:40] <Desh> Because it uses the normal user one, in most cases.
[07:41] <Desh> Umm, try that out, I think it should work.
[07:41] <dodo> Desh: so "passwd root" ?
[07:41] <Desh> Yes
[07:41] <dodo> Desh: All right, see you in two minutes. :)
[07:41] <_rince_> is kweather still broken or is it just my stupidity?
[07:46] <_rince_> ok, finally google had the answer ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2251901
[07:51] <admiral_proFTW> how can i set some programs to auto start
[07:51] <admiral_proFTW> i know its in my ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:54] <dodo_> Or is there anyone else, who knows about that problem?
[07:54] <Qill> how do I change root pasword
[07:55] <kakalto_> Qill: as root, "passwd" does it, doesn't it?
[07:55] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: so what exactly do you want to know?
[07:55] <apokryphos> Qill: /msg ubotu sudo
[07:55] <Qill> ty
[07:55] <admiral_proFTW> i want Gaim to start automatically
[07:56] <Qill> I'll try
[07:56] <admiral_proFTW> without saving a session
[07:56] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: is that a file or a folder?
[07:56] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: if it's a file, then I would think you add "exec gaim" into it... if it's a folder, add a link to gaim
[07:57] <admiral_proFTW> folder
[07:57] <admiral_proFTW> okay
[07:57] <kakalto_> that's how I would expect it to work, anyway. I'm not running kde right this moment, and can't really try it
[07:57] <kakalto_> :S
[07:58] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: at me? or it not working?
[07:58] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: if it's not working, you can try #kde , and sorry :/
[07:58] <admiral_proFTW> no
[07:58] <admiral_proFTW> at myself
[07:59] <kakalto_> for not thinking of it before?
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> i spent, quite literally ALL DAY trying to get Samba to install on a system
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> and i get home
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> and i'm looking through my K menu and see the Samba GUI
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> with ALL the information i need to set it up
[08:00] <kakalto_> hehe.
[08:00] <kakalto_> I suppose it works on ubuntu?
[08:00] <admiral_proFTW> Kakalto, kill me please
[08:00] <admiral_proFTW> wait
[08:00] <kakalto_> WOOPS
[08:00] <admiral_proFTW> beat you to it
[08:00] <kakalto_> not from this screen :S
[08:01] <kakalto_> =/
[08:01] <admiral_proFTW> man
[08:01] <admiral_proFTW> wasted my whole day
[08:02] <kakalto_> I've tried using the kde samba GUI before, and it's not worked for me. (not on ubuntu)
[08:02] <kakalto_> or it just seemed useless.... can't remember
[08:03] <chavo> admiral_proFTW, did you try webmin? It has a pretty nice samba configuration plugin.
[08:04] <admiral_proFTW> my boss was gotting mad at me for not getting it together
[08:04] <admiral_proFTW> chavo, i tried but dpkg wouldn't let me install it
[08:05] <admiral_proFTW> there was an error in the /var/lib/dpkg/status file
[08:05] <admiral_proFTW> one of the packages was being screwy
[08:06] <admiral_proFTW> one of the Source: parts became Souce; and the semi colon threw things off
[08:07] <admiral_proFTW> then there was like a comma or a ` or something
[08:07] <admiral_proFTW> so dpkg couldn't run at all
[08:08] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: :S
[08:08] <kakalto_> sounds like you've had a bad day
[08:09] <admiral_proFTW> yea i did
[08:09] <admiral_proFTW> plus i have to go into work at like 9 in the morning
[08:10] <admiral_proFTW> you know you had a bad day when people on IRC feel sorry for you
[08:13] <raf> someone knows a free service that do what euronode.com do?
[08:13] <raf> euronode.com let to make a customized linux distro, but it cost near 500 dollars
[08:14] <MasterEvilAce> how do i close X and go back to command line
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> raf, yea
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> you can log out and go to fail safe
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> http://www.linux-live.org/
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> its a live CD though
[08:16] <raf> admiral_proFTW: if I want a normal installation CD to install on several machines?
[08:17] <nocloud> in adept updater, what does "request purging do?"
[08:18] <apokryphos> nocloud: removes config files
[08:19] <nocloud> adept updater keeps on telling me there are these two packages that i can upgrade, but i don't want to upgrade them, is there a way to get it to stop listing those two packages as upgradeable?
[08:20] <admiral_proFTW> raf, let me know if you find it
[08:21] <defrysk> nocloud, remove the packages might be  a way ?
[08:21] <defrysk> if you dont need them that is
[08:21] <nocloud> well, what if i need the current packages but don't want it to keep bugging me to update them?
[08:22] <MasterEvilAce> I installed Compiz with XGL on Kubuntu...  It sets my resolution to MAX.. what's the deak
[08:22] <MasterEvilAce> deal
[08:22] <defrysk> nocloud, why do you not want to uopgrade them ?
[08:22] <nocloud> because to upgrade it, it has to install all this other crap i don't want and i'm trying to save disk space
[08:22] <nocloud> lol
[08:22] <defrysk> MasterEvilAce, that Is the deal if you want to use it
[08:22] <nocloud> it tries to install stuff like.....ipod software, etc etc
[08:22] <defrysk> nocloud, get over it ;)
[08:23] <nocloud> lol, i'm limited by the 5.8gig size of my linux partition
[08:23] <nocloud> can't quite get over that
[08:23] <nocloud> lol
[08:23] <defrysk> sudo apt-get install <the packages --nodeps>  [correct me if i'm wrong]
[08:23] <MasterEvilAce> defrysk: .. how?  I disabled all plugins now and it's atleast MORe usable
[08:25] <MasterEvilAce> i also have no titlebars
[08:25] <me2win> UzzaDead: id love to, except im going to bed cuz ihave to be up in 3 hours to go to work lol
[08:25] <UzzaDead> me2win, damn you :(
[08:26] <UzzaDead> got time for a quick question?
[08:26] <me2win> sure
[08:26] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: Couldn't open display :0.0
[08:26] <UzzaDead> simple fix or no?
[08:26] <me2win> not sure, never seen that error
[08:26] <UzzaDead> crap..
[08:26] <UzzaDead> google says nothing either
[08:26] <me2win> heh sorry
[08:26] <me2win> try in #ubuntu
[08:26] <me2win> or #xgl
[08:27] <defrysk> google knows when to be silent... ;p
[08:27] <UzzaDead> its ok its just eye candy i suppose :D
[08:27] <me2win> heh
[08:27] <me2win> night all
[08:27] <UzzaDead> defrysk, im thinking so :)
[08:27] <defrysk> later folks
[08:28] <cfraz89> UzzaDead. did you use the beerorkid repos?
[08:28] <UzzaDead> yeah
[08:28] <cfraz89> ok
[08:28] <cfraz89> so the mesa packages updated with it
[08:28] <UzzaDead> i assume so..
[08:29] <UzzaDead> how would i go about checking?
[08:29] <cfraz89> yep
[08:29] <admiral_proFTW> nocloud, why dont you use a distrobution like DSL
[08:29] <cfraz89> how did you set up xgl?
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> my "refresh rate" in gset whatever says "1" .. i figure that's why everythings slow. I change it to 60 (LCD) and it just changes back to 1
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> like it's not saving
[08:29] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, via the wiki guide
[08:29] <cfraz89> can i see it?
[08:30] <distanceisdeath> can anyone help me install a psx emulator?
[08:30] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CompositeManager/Xgl
[08:30] <cfraz89> thanks
[08:30] <UzzaDead> np
[08:30] <UzzaDead> i followed it to the letter
[08:30] <cfraz89> ok
[08:30] <cfraz89> is that the only error you get?
[08:30] <UzzaDead> well its rather odd..
[08:31] <UzzaDead> as my normal user if i click the file on the desktop it restarts kdm
[08:31] <cfraz89> hm
[08:31] <UzzaDead> but if i su or sudo via CLI and run the file i get errors but no kdm restart
[08:31] <UzzaDead> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:31] <UzzaDead> Xlib: No protocol specified
[08:31] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: Couldn't open display :0.0
[08:31] <cfraz89> i think theres not much you can do about that
[08:31] <UzzaDead> thats after running the compiz file on my desktop as su or sudo
[08:32] <cfraz89> for some reason manny apps in kubuntu dont like running from terminal
[08:32] <cfraz89> they all get connection refused
[08:32] <aftertaf> UzzaDead, something not right in that case, but what? mystery!
[08:32] <UzzaDead> mm..
[08:32] <UzzaDead> aftertaf, ?
[08:32] <aftertaf> connection refused will happen if you su then run in terminal.
[08:33] <UzzaDead> im a noob :)
[08:33] <aftertaf> hehe !)
[08:33] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: try using kdesu in place of sudo
[08:33] <UzzaDead> its that obvious eh?
[08:33] <cfraz89> huh?
[08:33] <UzzaDead> my noobness :)
[08:33] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a window manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current window manager.
[08:33] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: No managable screens found on display :0.0
[08:34] <UzzaDead> using kdesu^
[08:34] <cfraz89> ok
[08:34] <cfraz89> you want to run compiz --replace gconf &
[08:34] <cfraz89> kdesu 'compiz --replace gconf &'
[08:34] <UzzaDead> unknown option
[08:35] <cfraz89> hmm what about just kdesu 'compiz --replace gconf'
[08:35] <UzzaDead> Unknown option '--replace'.
[08:36] <aftertaf> or install enlightenment instead :)
[08:36] <cfraz89> thats a wierd one
[08:36] <UzzaDead> quite...
[08:37] <cfraz89> actually you shouldnt run compiz in su
[08:37] <UzzaDead> so just compiz --replace gconf &
[08:37] <cfraz89> did you run gnome-window-decorator already?
[08:37] <UzzaDead> no
[08:37] <cfraz89> run that first
[08:37] <cfraz89> as normal user
[08:37] <UzzaDead> how do i?
[08:37] <UzzaDead> in console right?
[08:37] <cfraz89> yep
[08:37] <cfraz89> then run
[08:37] <cfraz89> compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher water &
[08:37] <UzzaDead> ok whats the first command i need to run
[08:38] <UzzaDead> if i recall last time i tried it did something odd
[08:38] <cfraz89> run gnome-window-decorator
[08:38] <MasterEvilAce> what is default NON-EXECUTE chmod?
[08:38] <cfraz89> lol
[08:38] <cfraz89> chmod -x
[08:39] <UzzaDead> running that restarted kdm
[08:39] <MasterEvilAce> thx
[08:39] <cfraz89> np
[08:39] <cfraz89> damn, thats not good
[08:39] <UzzaDead> nope :(
[08:39] <cfraz89> are you in xgl now?
[08:39] <UzzaDead> the session?
[08:39] <UzzaDead> doh there goes the help :(
[08:40] <aftertaf> loool
[08:40] <UzzaDead> oh the perils of being a noob!
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> undoing the config changes I did for compiz
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> hopefully it'll be back to normal
[08:40] <UzzaDead> compiz isnt for noobs apparently :)
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> Mine was working ( i could tell because it was so slow )
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> it was just unusuable period :P
[08:41] <aftertaf> im not  a total noob and ive never heard about this before today.
[08:41] <UzzaDead> at least you got that far lol
[08:41] <UzzaDead> wb cfraz89
[08:41] <cfraz89> thanks
[08:41] <cfraz89> i see your problem
[08:41] <UzzaDead> np
[08:41] <cfraz89> i just tried it
[08:41] <UzzaDead> you do?
[08:41] <UzzaDead> please tell me you have a solution :(
[08:41] <cfraz89> itll crash x unless your in xgl
[08:41] <UzzaDead> the session?
[08:41] <MasterEvilAce> Uzaa this is the tut i used: http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=1067
[08:41] <cfraz89> yes
[08:42] <cfraz89> yes
[08:42] <UzzaDead> cfraz89,  as far as i know im in that session
[08:42] <cfraz89> it looks like it didnt work
[08:42] <UzzaDead> well crap
[08:42] <cfraz89> press ctrl esc, see if xgl is there
[08:43] <UzzaDead> nope
[08:43] <cfraz89> you on nvidia card?
[08:43] <cfraz89> oh ok
[08:43] <UzzaDead> yep nvidia
[08:43] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce,  thanks for the link i've bookmarked it now
[08:43] <cfraz89> did you use the replacing x in kdm method?
[08:43] <UzzaDead> no
[08:43] <MasterEvilAce> Weird question: I have a samba share mount to a folder in my home directory. I put an icon on the folder before mounting it.. but after i mount it the special folder icon disappears
[08:43] <UzzaDead> should i?
[08:44] <MasterEvilAce> UzzaDead: yeah, i hope it works better for you. I'm using a laptop so if it IS doing something.. i just can't see it :P
[08:44] <cfraz89> yes, it tends to work better
[08:44] <cfraz89> in my experience it does
[08:44] <UzzaDead> ah...
[08:44] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce, whats your specs?
[08:44] <cfraz89> just be careful, if you mess it up you might loose x lol
[08:44] <UzzaDead> lol it takes 5 mins tops to install and update completely again, no huge amount of lost time :)
[08:44] <aftertaf> if it all goes funny:    dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:44] <MasterEvilAce> UzzaDead: dell inspiron 8000, 1ghz, 256mb ram, geforce 2 GO 32mb
[08:45] <UzzaDead> ouch :(
[08:45] <UzzaDead> better than my laptop at least
[08:45] <MasterEvilAce> o_O
[08:45] <MasterEvilAce> what's yours
[08:45] <aftertaf> :0
[08:45] <UzzaDead> it barely runs jpg pr0ns lol
[08:45] <MasterEvilAce> lmao
[08:45] <cfraz89> MasterEvilAce: isnt much worse than mine, mine is ok
[08:45] <UzzaDead> p3 640mhz 256mb ram ATI Rage Mobility 8mb
[08:45] <UzzaDead> 650mhz^
[08:45] <aftertaf> dell latitude p3 500mhz 256mb ram, 8mb shared gfx
[08:45] <Mongey> im trying to burn an audio cd in k3b and it says that the format is unsupported
[08:45] <cfraz89> mega-ouch
[08:46] <UzzaDead> at least mine is dedicated vram lol
[08:46] <aftertaf> Mongey, get the other library for it.
[08:46] <cfraz89> Mongey: out of mp3-s?
[08:46] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, so you suggest i replace my shit with xgl?
[08:46] <cfraz89> yep
[08:46] <UzzaDead> thanks :D
[08:46] <cfraz89> youll know if xgl starts up if you get a crossy background initialy
[08:46] <cfraz89> np
[08:46] <UzzaDead> definitely havent seen that
[08:47] <UzzaDead> well im gonna go give it a go..
[08:47] <cfraz89> ok
[08:47] <cfraz89> good luck
[08:47] <cfraz89> Mongey: sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[08:47] <Mongey> other libary? (yes mp3's)
[08:47] <aftertaf> mongey: enable universe & multiverse then install libk3b2-mp3
[08:47] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: lol
[08:51] <luca__> hello
[08:52] <luca__> what's the boot manager installed by drapper drake?
[08:52] <luca__> it looks like grub
[08:52] <Mongey> i think it is grub
[08:52] <Hobbsee> it is grub
[08:52] <MasterEvilAce> grubby grbuuy
[08:52] <luca__> ok. and where is the traditional /etc/grub.conf?
[08:52] <luca__> i can't find it
[08:52] <aftertaf> luca__, /boot/
[08:52] <Mongey> boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[08:53] <luca__> damn. who told the installer to overwrite my boot manager?
[08:53] <Mongey> what are you trying to do?
[08:53] <luca__> to replace that thing with my boot manager, as i used to have gag, with a nice interface
[08:53] <MasterEvilAce> Why does amarok always show a splashscreen even when I tell it not to
[08:54] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: it's a bug.
[08:54] <MasterEvilAce> ah k
[08:54] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, im stuck :)
[08:55] <UzzaDead> it says edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf well kdm of course doesnt have one
[08:58] <farous> UzzaDead: if you want to know where kdm files are just type. dpkg -L kdm in a terminal. will tell you where the files are
[09:00] <luca__> ok
[09:00] <luca__> do you know what's the option to make grub install on a partition instead of mbr?
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> I want to remove older kernel images and all that (such as the stuff in grub menu) what do i delete?
[09:02] <farous> MasterEvilAce: just use adept and it will be done automatically
[09:02] <MasterEvilAce> removed from grub as well, or will i have to edit that?
[09:02] <defrysk> MasterEvilAce, automagicly removed
[09:02] <farous> MasterEvilAce: it will be removed from grub
[09:02] <MasterEvilAce> amazing
[09:03] <Mongey> hmmmmmmmmmm
[09:04] <Mongey> my internet seems alot slower in kubuntu compared to xp
[09:04] <Mongey> and suggestions?
[09:04] <defrysk> Mongey, imagination is my first bet
[09:05] <Hobbsee> Mongey: wired, wireless, is this for webbrowsing, or with apt-get, which webbrowser are you using, and what version?
[09:05] <UzzaDead> defrysk, mine too
[09:05] <Hobbsee> that'll do for a start.
[09:05] <UzzaDead> see a shrink :)
[09:05] <defrysk> :D
[09:05] <farous> Mongey: are you using ndiswrapper or having a broadcom bcm43xx card
[09:06] <Mongey> wired, web browsing with konqueror
[09:06] <Mongey> and firefox
[09:06] <Mongey> both slow
[09:06] <farous> so i cast my vote in the imagination box too :)
[09:06] <UzzaDead> how slow is slow?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hmmm....okay...
[09:06] <fatejudger> I can't seem to sync my Palm m500 with KPilot, it detects the device but never initiates the sync
[09:06] <fatejudger> it's very strange
[09:06] <dodo_> Which programm do kubuntu user use to partionate the hard drives?
[09:07] <farous> Mongey: on the forums there were a thread on firefox and ipv6
[09:07] <defrysk> dodo_, the installer program -> gparted
[09:07] <UzzaDead> brb
[09:07] <farous> but i think it is fixed in dapper had no problems here what so ever
[09:07] <fatejudger> dodo_: QTParted
[09:08] <dodo_> All right. And where can i find that, after installation? :)
[09:08] <defrysk> about:config
[09:08] <farous> Mongey: in google type test my connection. will give you links to test your connection speed so you can compare
[09:08] <defrysk> search ipv6 sting and disble it
[09:08] <defrysk> string
[09:08] <defrysk> might do the trick
[09:08] <Mongey> 25 seconds for it to get to google
[09:09] <Mongey> it usually takes 2 seconds at most
[09:09] <defrysk> Mongey, could be a ipv6 issue
[09:09] <cfraz89> Mongey: try adding KDE_NO_IPV6=true to /etc/environment
[09:09] <farous> Mongey: it might be your isp. test your connection speed now. login to window and test it before you make any changes
[09:09] <cfraz89> then log in again
[09:10] <dodo_> defrysk: Where do i find qtparted after installation? :)
[09:10] <defrysk> a thread about ipv6 : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35666
[09:11] <defrysk> dodo_, sudo apt-get install qtparted would be my first bet
[09:12] <defrysk> not much of a thread tho
[09:12] <dodo_> defrysk: You told me, it is the installer program. So I would think, it already exists in my system, wouldn't you? :)
[09:12] <defrysk> no
[09:12] <defrysk> you have to install it
[09:13] <defrysk> oh you mean during install ?
[09:13] <defrysk> it pop up during install then
[09:13] <dodo_> Ok, thank you. defrysk
[09:13] <defrysk> pops*
[09:13] <MasterEvilAce> anyone have MIDI workin?
[09:13] <dodo_> defrysk: No, installation already finished.
[09:13] <defrysk> dodo_, then install
[09:13] <dodo_> defrysk: And I wondered, why I can't use the programm, when I (as you told me) used it before (to install kubuntu). Got it? :)
[09:14] <dodo_> Ok. :)
[09:14] <defrysk> dodo_, apt-cache search <prog> to find <prog> and check if its available
[09:14] <chakie_work> or "aptitude search <prog>"
[09:14] <defrysk> chakie, yes :)
[09:15] <chakie_work> no need for all those apt-XXX apps when aptitude does it all
[09:15] <aftertaf> aptitude is better with dependencies
[09:15] <dodo_> defrysk: All right. Installed it, now, let's see... :)
[09:15] <chakie_work> try saying "apt-cache search" 10 times quickly
[09:15] <defrysk> aftertaf, aptitude is too powefull sometimes for newbies
[09:16] <farous> ontheother hand aptitude is reporting 67 broken packages here that are not actually broken. so every thing has its downside
[09:16] <defrysk> apt-x is "safer" to use
[09:16] <aftertaf> chakie_work, bit my tongue after 3 tiems :]
[09:17] <chakie_work> a dist-upgrade is best to perform from a console login, right?
[09:17] <defrysk> aptitude has power but no brain
[09:17] <Mongey> 273* K
[09:17] <Mongey> that bad
[09:17] <Mongey> ill try xp
[09:17] <farous> it also needed to remove some packages automatically that i had to explicetly use the keep command
[09:17] <farous> but i prefer it over apt
[09:18] <Chousuke> aptitude and apt-get both use APT :p
[09:18] <defrysk> chotchki, apt-frontend ;p
[09:18] <Chousuke> they're just different frontends for it.
[09:18] <dodo_> defrysk: Hm, installation was ok, but when i try to start it (qtparted, as root in terminal), it doesn't work, because I can't connect to X server as root. Ok, so I tried as normal user, then I don't get any storage media and qtparted tells me, it is because I am NOT root. Did I do soomething wrong, or is qtparted kidding me? :-D
[09:19] <aftertaf> dodo_, sudo
[09:19] <defrysk> dodo_, you dodo
[09:19] <Chousuke> kdesu :P
[09:19] <dodo_> aftertaf: Same problem, cannot connect to x server.
[09:19] <defrysk> ;p
[09:19] <dodo_> root@dodo:/home/dodo# sudo qtparted
[09:19] <dodo_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:19] <dodo_> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:19] <dodo_> qtparted: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:19] <dodo_> defrysk: Tell me, what? :)
[09:20] <defrysk> dodo_, not sure how to fix this one :s
[09:20] <Chousuke> dodo_: use kdesu as your normal user
[09:20] <Desh> dodo, try reconfigurinf X as root?
[09:20] <aftertaf> dodo_, and better to use gparted. qtparted is no longer maintained. (nasty romour i heard)
[09:20] <dodo_> defrysk: Got it... look at the paste above. I started "sudo qtparted" as ROOT, not as normal user ;)
[09:20] <defrysk> kdesu qtparted
[09:20] <cfraz89> dodo_: use kdesu instead
[09:21] <farous> qtparted works with unmounted volumes. do not know if it will work with a mounted one. have not used it for a while
[09:21] <Chousuke> That's waht I've been telling you :p
[09:21] <defrysk> dodo_, dont root get used to sude
[09:21] <defrysk> sudo even
[09:21] <dodo_> All right, now qtparted works ;)
[09:21] <defrysk> dodo_, make sure tu unmount the to partition partition
[09:22] <defrysk> does me make sense ?
[09:22] <dodo_> defrysk: I got it ;)
[09:22] <aftertaf> root!
[09:22] <aftertaf> w00t
[09:22] <dodo_> defrysk: Is it possible to unmount the partition, I am currently working on? Because this is the one, i want to resize. :)
[09:23] <defrysk> dodo_, unmount first
[09:23] <defrysk> umount even
[09:24] <defrysk> you cant slice a horse while sitting on it
[09:24] <mongey> 1703 Kb
[09:24] <dodo_> defrysk: Never done that before. Would you do me a favour and tell me how? :) Btw: How to learn all that stuff, like "HowTo mount/unmount" without asking and asking and asking all the time? :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> defrysk: well, you can.  but it's a highly bad idea :P
[09:24] <mongey> what was my kubuntu speed?
[09:24] <defrysk> lol Hobbsee  :D
[09:24] <dodo_> defrysk: Nice comparisson. ;-)
[09:25] <aftertaf> unless its a reiserfs formatted horse
[09:25] <dodo_> mongey: Which speed? For google?
[09:25] <dodo_> aftertaf: rofl...
[09:25] <farous> aftertaf: lol
[09:25] <mongey> i gave a speed in kb a sec ago
[09:25] <defrysk> dodo_, bets way to (re)partition an existing one is using a live cd
[09:25] <mongey> well couple of mins ago
[09:26] <defrysk> dodo_, use a live cd is my advise in this matter
[09:26] <dodo_> mongey: 09:09]  <Mongey> 25 seconds for it to get to google
[09:26] <mongey> after that
[09:26] <farous> dodo and whatever you do and no matter how carefull you are. Backup your important data first
[09:26] <dodo_> [09:09]  <Mongey> it usually takes 2 seconds at most
[09:26] <nocloud> is there a way to rapidly calculate avaliable disk space on a hard drive?
[09:27] <mongey> after
[09:27] <dodo_> That one? :)
[09:27] <dodo_> hmm... ok :D
[09:27] <mongey> 2nd or last thing i said
[09:27] <farous> nocloud: df -h
[09:27] <defrysk> mongey, get a proper networkcard
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:18]  <Mongey> 273* K
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:18]  <Mongey> that bad
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:18]  <Mongey> ill try xp
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:19]  <-- Mongey has left this server ("Konversation terminated!").
[09:27] <dodo_> That's all. :)
[09:27] <defrysk> ahhh
[09:28] <defrysk> he damaged now and needs recovery
[09:28] <mongey> 1703 Kb in xp vs 273 in kubuntu
[09:28] <dodo_> Reboot....
[09:28] <UzzaDead> i think im gonna puke
[09:29] <nocloud> farous: thanks
[09:29] <defrysk> mongey, how are you connected to the internet ?
[09:29] <UzzaDead> i got xgl working with the wobbly windows and all..
[09:29] <UzzaDead> anyone have some sea sickness pills handy?
[09:29] <farous> nocloud: urw:)
[09:29] <defrysk> UzzaDead, great way to stay on the wagon
[09:29] <mongey> dsl i think
[09:29] <UzzaDead> defrysk,  by the wagon you mean the linux wagon and my permanent xorg.conf burned into my retinas?
[09:29] <mongey> wired
[09:30] <farous> mongey: read this thread on ipv6 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&highlight=disabling+ipv6
[09:30] <defrysk> mongey, must be the ipv6 issue
[09:31] <nocloud> hmm, i have something weird....under storage media, my mounted windows HD says 50G, in df -h output, it says 43G and in windows, it also shows up as 43G but i remember that when i first installed kubuntu, i expanded that NTFS partition to 50G, anybody know why only 43G gets detected?
[09:31] <mluser-laptop> How does one recover from a failed install.. now adept keeps telling me that some other application is using the packaging system database
[09:31] <mongey> give me that link when i come back
[09:31] <UzzaDead> mluser-laptop, its probably crapped out check for adept processes
[09:31] <UzzaDead> and kill them
[09:31] <Desh> Hi, how would I get Dapper to auto mount USB drives?
[09:32] <farous> nocloud: it might be a conversion prob which is normal. Kbite is not 1000 bite
[09:32] <mluser-laptop> UzzaDead: I have rebooted.. I think the database is in an unstable state.. is there anyway to repair it?
[09:32] <nocloud> but...its 7G out of 50.....that's way beyond the normal amount of loss expected
[09:33] <UzzaDead> no idea mluser-laptop
[09:33] <nocloud> the problem is, 43G was the size of the windows partition before i expanded it in the kubuntu installer
[09:33] <UzzaDead> but i'll bet it restored the processes
[09:33] <mluser-laptop> thankss
[09:33] <UzzaDead> take a check for em
[09:33] <Desh> How do I get Dapper to automount USB drives?
[09:33] <nocloud> i expanded it to 50 but its still showing up as 43....
[09:33] <UzzaDead> Desh, mine is mounted automatically
[09:33] <nocloud> basically, i've lost like 7 gigs of space
[09:34] <Desh> Mine isn't, not after a crappy dist-upgrade
[09:34] <nocloud> it just pretty much disappeared off the drive
[09:34] <UzzaDead> nocloud, i've got plenty of space i'll loan you some :)
[09:34] <farous> nocloud: 34 gb can be reported as 40 gb
[09:34] <UzzaDead> man xgl sucks :)
[09:34] <defrysk> hm gonna reboot (with no ipv6)
[09:35] <UzzaDead> i cant believe i spent all this time for this much suckage lol
[09:35] <cfraz89> hi UzzaDead, howd it go?
[09:35] <UzzaDead> at least now i can almost write the xorg.conf by memory :D
[09:35] <aftertaf> UzzaDead, get E
[09:35] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, its up and running
[09:35] <UzzaDead> thanks
[09:35] <UzzaDead> aftertaf, E?
[09:35] <aftertaf> e17
[09:35] <UzzaDead> the hells that?
[09:35] <aftertaf> www.get-e.org
[09:35] <cfraz89> cool
[09:36] <nocloud> hmm, i know i'm getting cheated out of space somewhere cuz when i expanded the windows one, my linux got cut down to 5.8G and it was originally around 10G, and the windows one, it remained at 43G which is where it was before i expanded it, so, i've got a couple gigs of hd space that just vanished
[09:36] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: you don't like it?
[09:36] <Mongey> can i have that link again
[09:36] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, its... pretty crappy
[09:36] <farous> df -h report a kb as 1024 or something like that can not remember the conversion but it is a power 2 ^10
[09:36] <UzzaDead> probably not working as it should
[09:36] <cfraz89> lol, why?
[09:36] <cfraz89> what's wrong?
[09:36] <aftertaf> farous, 1024*1024*1024 / 1000
[09:36] <UzzaDead> no titlebars and artifacts on the screen :(
[09:37] <cfraz89> lol, yeah definitely not working
[09:37] <UzzaDead> well crap
[09:37] <cfraz89> did you get any error messages?
[09:37] <Mongey> anyone link to that thread?
[09:37] <UzzaDead> nope but i have wobbly windows :D
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> lol Uzza
[09:37] <cfraz89> lol :) kind of ruins the effect without titlebars though
[09:37] <UzzaDead> kinda..
[09:38] <farous> aftertaf: thanx than you can take it from here
[09:38] <UzzaDead> and the fact i've got half a dozen lil x's at the bottom and artifacts
[09:38] <MasterEvilAce> UzzaDead: essentially the same as on my computer
[09:38] <cfraz89> ahh i know
[09:38] <cfraz89> take out the dock plugin
[09:38] <cfraz89> it messes things up
[09:38] <cfraz89> run gset-compiz
[09:38] <defrysk> ok i have ipv6 off now
[09:38] <defrysk> pretty easy
[09:38] <cfraz89> and untick dock
[09:38] <farous> nocloud: another problem might occur if your partition program do not partition to the end of the cylinder. you might loose some space this way but i doubt it is gb more on the mb scale
[09:39] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce, except mines quick as hell
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> aw
[09:39] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, take out the dock and kill the server?
[09:39] <defrysk> Mongey, this is what you do
[09:39] <defrysk> if you are there ?
[09:40] <Mongey> ye
[09:40] <UzzaDead> i'll try that..
[09:40] <cfraz89> Uzzadead, no lol
[09:40] <cfraz89> too late lol
[09:40] <defrysk> Mongey,  sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[09:40] <defrysk> Mongey, put this line in
[09:40] <marek_> Hi, I have a question: Is there any known case, that in *ubuntu (engl version) japanese input works by scim in firefox and openoffice?
[09:40] <Desh> How can I mount a USB drive? My Dapper won't auto load USB drives.
[09:41] <defrysk> alias net-pf-10 off
[09:41] <UzzaDead> no title bars still
[09:41] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: i didn't mean kill kicker lol
[09:41] <nocloud> hmm, if i wanted to adjust the partitions, can i just use the program bundled with the kubuntu installation?
[09:41] <defrysk> that line Mongey
[09:41] <defrysk> then safe and reboot
[09:41] <aftertaf> Desh, sudo mount /media/sda1
[09:41] <UzzaDead> dont what now?
[09:41] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: compiz works with many plugins
[09:41] <cfraz89> if you run gset-compiz, you can choose which ones to use
[09:41] <cfraz89> make sure dock is unticked
[09:41] <UzzaDead> i have an X with a sideways triangle in the bottom lol
[09:41] <UzzaDead> in my tray
[09:41] <Desh> aftertaf: mount: can't find /media/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mta
[09:42] <UzzaDead> yeah cfraz89 i de-selected dock
[09:42] <cfraz89> still get artifacts and x's eh?
[09:42] <UzzaDead> no artifacts just X's
[09:42] <aftertaf> Desh, cat /etc/fstab. do you see /media/something?
[09:42] <cfraz89> hmm
[09:42] <cfraz89> what command are you running compiz with?
[09:42] <UzzaDead> runs at start
[09:43] <nocloud> hmm, if i wanted to adjust the partitions, can i just use the program bundled with the kubuntu installation?
[09:43] <UzzaDead> i used this guide which worked from MasterEvilAce
[09:43] <UzzaDead> http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=1067
[09:43] <Desh> aftertaf: media/cdrom0
[09:43] <aftertaf> Desh, hmm.
[09:43] <aftertaf> desh: add this to fstab:    /dev/sda1       /media/usb      vfat    rw,user 0       0
[09:44] <UzzaDead> im gonna try something...
[09:44] <aftertaf> and mkdir /media/usb
[09:44] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: try running gnome-window-decorator in a terminal
[09:44] <defrysk> ttwtd
[09:44] <cfraz89> see what it says
[09:44] <UzzaDead> k
[09:44] <defrysk> time to walk the dog
[09:44] <Desh> aftertaf: can I do the same for sda2
[09:44] <UzzaDead> if it kills kdm im gonna kill you :P
[09:44] <UzzaDead> jk
[09:44] <aftertaf> yep
[09:44] <aftertaf> and mkdir /media/usb2
[09:44] <cfraz89> wait...
[09:44] <Desh> Huh?
[09:44] <cfraz89> also take out the dock from the command that starts compiz
[09:44] <UzzaDead> k
[09:44] <cfraz89> the tutorial has dock in the list
[09:45] <UzzaDead> it wobbled my window by the way
[09:45] <Desh> aftertaf: What do you mean makedir /media/usb2?
[09:45] <aftertaf> mkdir.
[09:45] <cfraz89> ?
[09:45] <aftertaf> make a directory to which to mount to
[09:45] <cfraz89> lol you dont like the wobblies?
[09:45] <aftertaf> too many to's but hey
[09:45] <farous> aftertaf he can just use pmount
[09:45] <Mongey> http://pastebin.com/761895
[09:45] <aftertaf> farous, can he, ok. :]
[09:46] <Mongey> defrysk: i got that
[09:46] <farous> pmount is the same as mount but he need user privlage for it instead of su privlages
[09:46] <aftertaf> oki
[09:46] <aftertaf> cool
[09:46] <UzzaDead> lol makes you kinda sick cfraz89  :)
[09:46] <UzzaDead> ok i killed the dock crap
[09:46] <UzzaDead> now what?
[09:46] <cfraz89> try logging in again
[09:47] <UzzaDead> k
[09:47] <farous> strange it was not mounted automtically. does the user have rights to mountable devices?
[09:47] <Mongey> any help anyone
[09:49] <Mongey> anyone alive?
[09:49] <farous> Mongey: did you look the page i sent you
[09:49] <Mongey> no
[09:49] <farous> give me a min am trying to locate a wiki
[09:50] <Mongey> i lost the link
[09:50] <farous> Mongey: then scroll up and you will find the link
[09:50] <Mongey> switching from xp to kubuntu
[09:50] <Mongey> :P
[09:50] <Mongey> link is in mirc
[09:51] <farous> Mongey: bookmark this link it is helpfull https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[09:51] <farous> mongey: read this thread on ipv6 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&highlight=disabling+ipv6
[09:51] <rob> http://help.ubuntu.com
[09:51] <farous> here it is again ^ ^
[09:51] <rob> try that
[09:52] <tuxcicles> Mongey: maybe look at usbmount commanc
[09:52] <Mongey> ?
[09:54] <UzzaDead> that was fun
[09:54] <UzzaDead> xgl is official the spawn of satan :)
[09:55] <kevin> um cvscedega wants x-window-system-dev but that isn't available in the repositories for dapper...should i just get it somewhere else?
[09:55] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: no, that's CUPS.
[09:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:55] <cfraz89> UzzaDead:they're not even that wobbly lol
[09:55] <Hobbsee> kevin: er, i believe that was replaced by something else.
[09:56] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: any luck?
[09:56] <UzzaDead> not really
[09:56] <farous> kevin: are you looking for xlibs-dev package?
[09:56] <cfraz89> oh
[09:56] <UzzaDead> at first it completely killed everything
[09:56] <cfraz89> damn
[09:56] <kevin> farous: Um..maybe?
[09:56] <UzzaDead> so i had to edit the kdmrc file and my self created file
[09:56] <cfraz89> sucks to be UzzaDead's computer
[09:56] <UzzaDead> nah...
[09:57] <farous> kevin install it then :)
[09:57] <UzzaDead> it can run any game you throw at it as max settings perfectly :)
[09:57] <UzzaDead> its a good day to be my computer
[09:57] <UzzaDead> unless i start beating it with a stick..
[09:58] <Hobbsee> farous: not a great idea...
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  This package smooths upgrades from Debian 3.0 by depending on libice-dev,
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  libsm-dev, libx11-dev, libxext-dev, libxi-dev, libxmu-dev, libxmuu-dev,
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  libxpm-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxt-dev, libxtrap-dev, libxtst-dev, libxv-dev,
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  x-dev, and xlibs-static-dev.   We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> true
[10:00] <UzzaDead> ask a dumb question in a windoze channel and see what happens to you lol
[10:00] <cfraz89> lol
[10:00] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: s/windoze/debian or s/windoze/gentoo and you get the same result.
[10:00] <Mongey> how do i change file permissions on a folder
[10:00] <farous> ok Hobbsee got ya. so what package he needs then
[10:01] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: s/originalword/newwordinit'splace
[10:01] <UzzaDead> ah..
[10:01] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: it's a function in...vim... i think...or some other high level text editor that i never use :P
[10:01] <UzzaDead> gentoo isnt too bad unless you catch them on a bad day
[10:01] <Hobbsee> farous: absolutely no idea.   he could just install the xlibs-dev package
[10:01] <Mongey> or how do i copy a file into/etc/modprobe.d
[10:01] <UzzaDead> then they can be worse than some 'doze users :(
[10:02] <Hobbsee> !chmod
[10:02] <ubotu> [chmod]  a command used to change the permissions of a file or folder. see `man chmod` for a synopsis.
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Mongey: ^
[10:02] <UzzaDead> amazing that i cant get xgl running straight but i installed and compiled bootstrapped gentoo from source @_o
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Mongey: to copy a file?
[10:02] <Mongey> kinda
[10:02] <Mongey> move would be betterr description
[10:03] <Hobbsee> sudo cp /path/to/file /path/to/where/you/want/it/to/go
[10:03] <Hobbsee> substitute cp with mv then
[10:03] <Hobbsee> cp = copy, mv = move
[10:03] <farous> Mongey: you need ot cp or just edit a file there ? take care you might erase a file that is already there
[10:06] <Mongey> the file isnt there
[10:06] <farous> ok then follow Hobbsee advise
[10:06] <defrysk>  Mongey did it work ?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Mongey: what do you need to chmod?
[10:06] <defrysk> the ipv6 thing ?
[10:07] <Mongey> ye
[10:07] <Hobbsee> oh okay
[10:07] <Mongey> bad_list
[10:07] <defrysk> yes
[10:07] <defrysk> did it work ?
[10:07] <defrysk> ip a | grep inet6
[10:07] <defrysk> what does it say ?
[10:07] <UzzaDead> well heres goes nothing again..
[10:08] <defrysk> mogey did you do what I said ?
[10:08] <defrysk> Mongey, that is
[10:08] <defrysk> hello ?
[10:08] <Mongey> checking now
[10:09] <defrysk> no output means no ipv6
[10:09] <Mongey> i have to read it again
[10:09] <defrysk> oh geez
[10:09] <Mongey> :D
[10:10] <defrysk> Mongey,  sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:10] <defrysk> do that first
[10:10] <defrysk> use sudo
[10:10] <Mongey> ye
[10:10] <defrysk> bad_list does not exist but wil be created
[10:10] <Mongey> i have alias net-pf-10 off in it
[10:10] <Mongey> i created it
[10:11] <defrysk> good
[10:11] <defrysk> save
[10:11] <defrysk> and close
[10:11] <Mongey> kk
[10:11] <Mongey> done
[10:11] <Mongey> now?
[10:11] <defrysk> now reboot
[10:11] <Mongey> ah
[10:11] <defrysk> and done ;)
[10:11] <Mongey> brb
[10:11] <farous> defrysk: he can just restart the net right
[10:11] <farous> or is it a kernel thing he can modprobe -r it
[10:11] <defrysk> farous, not anymore ;p
[10:12] <defrysk> farous, its a kernel thing
[10:12] <farous> he rebooted anyway
[10:12] <defrysk> farous, and it should be off ater reboot
[10:12] <farous> defrysk: modprobe -r would have taken it out too
[10:12] <defrysk> after
[10:12] <defrysk> farous, only on this session
[10:13] <defrysk> farous, this way it is not sensitive to upgrades/rewrites
[10:13] <farous> ok i understand now
[10:13] <farous> thanx defrysk
[10:13] <tuxcicles> what is with ip6 on for by default anyway ? that standard (internet2) is way off in the distant future anyway, isn't it?
[10:14] <defrysk> tuxcicles, agree I think it should be given as an option during install
[10:15] <defrysk> hey Mongey
[10:15] <Mongey> hi
[10:15] <defrysk> now do : ip a | grep inet6
[10:15] <defrysk> and see if you get output
[10:15] <defrysk> no output means no ipv6
[10:16] <Mongey> where?
[10:16] <defrysk> in konsole
[10:16] <defrysk> terminal
[10:16] <defrysk> commandline
[10:16] <farous> defrysk: take it easy you seen you need some sleep ;)
[10:16] <Mongey> where
[10:16] <Mongey> ?
[10:17] <Mongey> konsole?
[10:17] <defrysk> Mongey, type ip a | grep inet6
[10:17] <tuxcicles> sudo modprobe -r inet6
[10:17] <defrysk> tuxcicles, no
[10:17] <defrysk> shus
[10:17] <Mongey> conor@conor-desktop:~$ ip a | grep inet6
[10:17] <Mongey>     inet6 ::1/128 scope host
[10:17] <Mongey>     inet6 fe80::215:f2ff:fe77:3005/64 scope link
[10:17] <defrysk> Mongey, you stil have inet6
[10:18] <Mongey> lol
[10:18] <Mongey> damn
[10:18] <defrysk> Mongey, cat /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:18] <defrysk> what do you see ?
[10:18] <farous> Mongey: defrysk it is blacklist
[10:18] <defrysk> farous, no
[10:18] <Mongey> conor@conor-desktop:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:18] <Mongey> alias net-pf-10 off
[10:18] <Mongey> conor@conor-desktop:~$
[10:18] <farous> i no know what you want to do. blacklist is for blacklisted modules
[10:19] <defrysk> Mongey, a sec
[10:19] <farous> no=now from a sleepy farous
[10:20] <farous> Mongey: try tuxcicles way first and test your net if it is better then do the blacklisting
[10:20] <defrysk> ahwell
[10:20] <farous> defrysk: you need to blacklist the module right so it is in the blacklist file not badlist one
[10:21] <tuxcicles> my way didn't work for me either :P
[10:21] <defrysk> modules get blacklisted
[10:21] <UzzaDead> evil xgl :)
[10:21] <farous> UzzaDead: lol
[10:21] <UzzaDead> i think im gonna remove and leave it be for the time being..
[10:21] <farous> i had it here for about 5 min before i got rid of it
[10:21] <UzzaDead> farous, with apt-get how would i go about removing the downloaded files as well as uninstalling the package?
[10:22] <farous> have fluxbox with transparency which all i really need. pseudo transp is good for me
[10:22] <UzzaDead> and whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude
[10:22] <defrysk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&page=5&highlight=disabling+ipv6 works perfectly for me
[10:22] <tuxcicles> couldn't it just be remd in the aliases file, or removed for the hosts file?
[10:22] <defrysk> very strange
[10:22] <UzzaDead> !aptitude
[10:22] <ubotu> aptitude is another front-end to apt, like apt-get, adept and Synaptic.  Unlike them, aptitude remembers what dependencies were installed with a package and can remove them if you uninstall. It also has a (somewhat buggy) text-mode interface.
[10:22] <Mongey> so what will i do
[10:22] <UzzaDead> ah...
[10:23] <farous> UzzaDead: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html
[10:23] <defrysk> in dapper there is another way for ipv6
[10:23] <farous> UzzaDead: this will give you the diff and more information for your taste
[10:23] <defrysk> Mongey, listen :
[10:23] <defrysk> If you're using Dapper Drake edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, comment out the existing alias net-pf-10 ipv6 and add alias net-pf-10 off, like so:
[10:23] <defrysk> alias net-pf-10 off
[10:23] <defrysk> # alias net-pf-10 ipv6
[10:23] <defrysk> Reboot.
[10:23] <defrysk> That worked for me.
[10:24] <defrysk> try that mongey
[10:24] <defrysk> apologies for the pasting
[10:24] <UzzaDead> thanks farous
[10:24] <farous> uw :)
[10:25] <tuxcicles> does the hosts file need to be changed also?
[10:25] <UzzaDead> very informative!
[10:25] <farous> UzzaDead: short ans they are all front ends for apt
[10:25] <farous> which is frontend for dpkg
[10:25] <UzzaDead> linux is confusing as hell at times
[10:25] <pekuja> is there any extension or whatever to make Konqueror recover from crashes?
[10:25] <defrysk> Mongey, got that ?
[10:25] <Mongey> not yet
[10:25] <pekuja> and/or to restore an old session
[10:26] <defrysk> Mongey, want is step by step ?
[10:26] <Mongey> no
[10:26] <Mongey> i think i have it
[10:26] <defrysk> good
[10:26] <Mongey> do i delete alias net-pf-10 ipv6 out?
[10:26] <defrysk> the daper way is different
[10:26] <defrysk> no comment it out
[10:26] <aftertaf> can we live without ipv6 ?
[10:27] <defrysk> put a # in front of the line
[10:27] <defrysk> alias net-pf-10 off  needs to be added
[10:27] <UzzaDead> i dont want to go removing xserver-xorg do i? :D
[10:28] <defrysk> Mongey, you can read it here in the last post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&page=5&highlight=disabling+ipv6
[10:28] <Mongey> do i add alias net-pf-10 off at the end?
[10:29] <Mongey> or above that one i commente out
[10:29] <Mongey> *commented
[10:29] <defrysk> does not matter , I would do the last suggestion
[10:29] <tuxcicles> it doesn't matter, it's commented
[10:29] <bulltitan> hey
[10:30] <bulltitan> no matter what i do i can't read subs with kaffeine
[10:30] <bulltitan> like ".sub" or ".srt"
[10:30] <bulltitan> any help?
[10:30] <tuxcicles> watch english stuff :D
[10:31] <defrysk> mongey whan done: sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:31] <bulltitan> yep i know but i have some japanese movies that i like a lot :(
[10:31] <defrysk> to remove bad_list
[10:32] <tuxcicles> i think i saw some options for loading subs in the preference section if i remember right
[10:32] <MasterEvilAce> awesome. tweaking kubuntu a bit. a good bit faster... is there any big list of tweaks anywhere?
[10:33] <bulltitan> kaffeine is great with all the proper codecs installed,.. sounds great and looks great but no subs :( at least with xvid kinda movies
[10:33] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce, xgl is the spawn of satan they should have waited and released it today 6/6/06 :P
[10:33] <MasterEvilAce> kik
[10:33] <MasterEvilAce> lol*
[10:34] <UzzaDead> that thing broke my system so bad..
[10:34] <UzzaDead> im amazed im even here
[10:34] <UzzaDead> well time to see if i can get it back to normal :D
[10:34] <aftertaf> UzzaDead, get e for eyecandy happiness :)
[10:34] <farous> UzzaDead: how did you install xgl
[10:34] <farous> lol
[10:35] <farous> aftertaf: is the simon repos for e still on or are there another one
[10:35] <UzzaDead> i have titlebars again!
[10:36] <farous> UzzaDead: you should have installed xgl as a session that you can optionally use
[10:36] <tuxcicles> bulltitan: yea, look into mplayer, it does subs
[10:36] <UzzaDead> farous, i tried and it didnt work period
[10:36] <farous> i mean this would have made it easier for uninstalling
[10:36] <UzzaDead> eh, wasnt that hard :)
[10:36] <farous> i do not like xgl either.
[10:36] <UzzaDead> not like i have anything useful to do lol
[10:37] <UzzaDead> or one of these things called "lives"
[10:37] <bulltitan> ok i'll do tuxcicles but i think that kaffeine has a mplayer engine
[10:37] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, install  macos!
[10:37] <bulltitan> macos?
[10:37] <tuxcicles> xine engine i think
[10:37] <Mongey> ya
[10:37] <Mongey> it works
[10:37] <UzzaDead> Mac OSX
[10:37] <UzzaDead> :D
[10:37] <bulltitan> hum,...
[10:37] <defrysk> Mongey, great :D
[10:37] <Mongey> thanks
[10:38] <farous> so you are getting the sme speed now
[10:38] <UzzaDead> its hacked onto intel now lol
[10:38] <bulltitan> does it works with .srt and .sub
[10:38] <aftertaf> farous, better to get from cvs. repos get out of date fast
[10:38] <defrysk> Mongey, was intersting for me too
[10:38] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, that was a joke ignore it
[10:38] <farous> thanx aftertaf
[10:38] <bulltitan> lol no problem
[10:38] <Mongey> well i dont know what speed but a hell of alot faster
[10:38] <UzzaDead> hell? who speaks of my home?!
[10:38] <aftertaf> cvs with and auto checkout & buiild script... :)
[10:38] <defrysk> Mongey, probably fixed now
[10:38] <UzzaDead> i keep hearing about this easybuntu or something
[10:39] <UzzaDead> can anyone shed any light on that?
[10:39] <farous> aftertaf: my prob was i lost my config each time i update
[10:39] <tuxcicles> !easybuntu
[10:39] <Mongey>  1776 Kb
[10:39] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tuxcicles
[10:40] <defrysk> tuxcicles, spellcheck
[10:40] <farous> Mongey: nice hmm i might do it myself
[10:40] <bulltitan> sounds like an ubuntu for windows users :D ,... a fool proof ubuntu
[10:40] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, ubuntu for noobs eh?
[10:41] <bulltitan> i dunno :P,... windows users that was a joke ;)
[10:41] <Mongey> :D
[10:41] <Mongey> ppl are trying to convine me to goto gentoo
[10:41] <farous> Mongey: lol your name sound arabic
[10:41] <UzzaDead> gentoo owns.
[10:41] <UzzaDead> if you're uber leet non noob like
[10:42] <UzzaDead> and dont anger the regular users
[10:42] <UzzaDead> they're mean
[10:42] <Mongey> I am the 13357
[10:42] <defrysk> gentoo gets boring after waisting ours on compiling
[10:42] <UzzaDead> i dont spend hours compiling :D
[10:42] <Mongey> im irish
[10:42] <farous> defrysk: and configuring
[10:42] <defrysk> farous, that too
[10:42] <UzzaDead> not my fault you guys run 386's :)
[10:42] <UzzaDead> jk
[10:43] <defrysk> UzzaDead, gentoo is fast ...when not compiling
[10:43] <farous> Mongey: handshake am egyptian. and your name mean rescuer in arabic
[10:43] <UzzaDead> defrysk, i agree :)
[10:43] <UzzaDead> it'll spank just about any distro in speed,optimization and packages available
[10:44] <defrysk> gentoo is for the happy few who think they know better
[10:44] <UzzaDead> problem is theres alot of work...
[10:44] <UzzaDead> too much work
[10:44] <farous> lot of reading too lol
[10:44] <UzzaDead> oh and their livecd/installer sucks lol
[10:44] <UzzaDead> some of the users in the gentoo chans are down right abusive
[10:44] <defrysk> I loved gentoo for the feeling it gave me , not for the actual usage
[10:45] <UzzaDead> the e-penis defrysk ?
[10:45] <defrysk> id made me feel G33ky
[10:45] <UzzaDead> same thing..
[10:45] <defrysk> UzzaDead, yup ;p
[10:45] <bulltitan> what is gentoo a new type of cereal?
[10:45] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, linux distro for hardcore linux nuts
[10:45] <UzzaDead> and i do mean nuts
[10:45] <bulltitan> :P
[10:45] <bulltitan> my bad :P
[10:45] <defrysk> thats about it in a nutshell
[10:45] <UzzaDead> its ok i'll beat you with a coat hanger later :)
[10:45] <Chryseus> gentoo is type of penguin.. in many sences :)
[10:46] <alex__> for some odd reason amarok won't play my music....hmmm
[10:46] <defrysk> well gentoo users actually use a nut shell
[10:46] <alex__> any ideas?
[10:46] <UzzaDead> alex__, mp3's?
[10:46] <Mongey> bac
[10:46] <defrysk> teria?
[10:46] <UzzaDead> whats arabic for bastard?
[10:47] <farous> lol
[10:47] <UzzaDead> i need a new name :D
[10:47] <farous> lakit
[10:47] <UzzaDead> niiice
[10:47] <Mongey> farous: is it?
[10:47] <farous> mongey your name is ya
[10:47] <UzzaDead> alex__, are you gonna answer?
[10:48] <Mongey> well
[10:48] <bulltitan> i need a cup of kubuntu right now,.. hot and strong
[10:48] <bulltitan> i love kubuntu
[10:48] <farous> lol
[10:48] <UzzaDead> Mongey, why? i want their souls :(
[10:48] <farous> UzzaDead: than advise them to use xgl ;)
[10:48] <Mongey> you can have there souls
[10:49] <UzzaDead> haha no more virgin sacrificing baby killing pentagrams..
[10:49] <UzzaDead> i'll send them to xgl guides!
[10:49] <dodo|kanotix> Does anyone know, how to authenticate with quakenets<EMAIL_ADDRESS>automatically? mIRC had that perform thing, but how to do that with "conversation"?
[10:49] <UzzaDead> i absolutely love when someone asks a question,requests help and then just dies :)
[10:49] <alex__> UzzaDead: yeah mp3
[10:50] <UzzaDead> alex__, kubuntu right?
[10:50] <alex__> UzzaDead: sorry about that; kept "fiddling" with amarok
[10:50] <alex__> UzzaDead: yes
[10:50] <UzzaDead> ok open up adept
[10:50] <UzzaDead> and go to manage repositories
[10:50] <alex__> ok
[10:50] <UzzaDead> one sec
[10:51] <tuxcicles> alex__: did install the gstreamer mad and mpeg codecs?
[10:52] <judgen> tuxcicles good grammar =)
[10:52] <tuxcicles> sorryrr, its late
[10:52] <alex__> tuxcicles: not yet; Just installed it about 10 min ago
[10:52] <UzzaDead> where is sources.lst again? :)
[10:52] <alex__> tuxcicles: the o/s that is.
[10:52] <UzzaDead> trying to get info for alex__
[10:53] <alex__> UzzaDead: mounted as a vfat
[10:53] <judgen> hehe i have been up for 53 hours straight now
[10:53] <judgen> and soon i have to go to work
[10:53] <alex__> UzzaDead: "/dev/hdb1"
[10:53] <bulltitan> i have a guy here,... actually a friend who's actually using kubuntu thanks to me that says "he likes kubuntu so much that he's thinking about having sex with it"
[10:54] <UzzaDead> alex__, not you :)
[10:54] <judgen> bulltitan sane?
[10:54] <alex__> UzzaDead: sorry
[10:54] <bulltitan> don't tell me
[10:54] <bulltitan> :d
[10:54] <bulltitan> :D
[10:55] <judgen> when wine 1.0 comes out ill move away from any other os, both for work and sparetime
[10:56] <tuxcicles> alex__: lookee here https://wiki.kubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:56] <alex__> tuxcicles: In adept, under Multimedia i see gstreamer and plugins but its kinda diff, it doesn't give me the option to select/deselect
[10:56] <afm\colossus> you shold try getting away from proprietary software
[10:56] <afm\colossus> not just a proprietary operating system
[10:56] <tuxcicles> you might have to stick the repositories in or uncomment the restricted ones
[10:57] <UzzaDead> can someone tell me where to find my sources.lst?
[10:57] <afm\colossus> in /etc/apt/ @ UzzaDead
[10:57] <UzzaDead> thanks
[10:57] <alex__> tuxcicles: I'm sorry but I don't understand
[10:57] <afm\colossus> it's called "sources.list", though
[10:57] <alex__> tuxcicles: No worries I'll figure it out.
[10:57] <judgen> alex__ use "sudo apt-install gstreamer" in konsole
[10:57] <UzzaDead> Al-Daja,  ok im ready
[10:58] <UzzaDead> crap
[10:58] <UzzaDead> alex__,
[10:58] <tuxcicles> look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:58] <UzzaDead> go to manage repositories in adept
[10:58] <Al-Daja> lol
[10:58] <UzzaDead> feel free to smack me Al-Daja :)
[10:58] <Al-Daja> np
[10:58] <Al-Daja> mistakes happens
[10:58] <UzzaDead> probably how im here eh? :D
[10:58] <UzzaDead> alex__, you there?
[10:58] <Al-Daja> no
[10:58] <judgen> UzzaDead i never understood why people use graphical apt... is there any advantage?
[10:59] <UzzaDead> judgen, noobness :)
[10:59] <alex__> judgen: AH! that's more like it
[10:59] <UzzaDead> its just easier for some
[10:59] <UzzaDead> are your mp3's playing now?
[10:59] <judgen> apt is really easy to learn though
[10:59] <defrysk> judgen, for newfolks yes
[10:59] <Al-Daja> even i need from the guys from here, i'm newbie too, but i'm a lazzy with too much work to doo UzzaDead  so no problem
[10:59] <tuxcicles> judgen: you can see what there is to install if you don't know
[10:59] <defrysk> judgen, for powerusers , no
[10:59] <Al-Daja> *need help
[10:59] <kevin> what does this error mean? - fixme:xrender:X11DRV_XRender_Finalize Free cached glyphsets
[11:00] <judgen> tuxcicles thats what you use apt-cache for
[11:00] <kevin> I think that's my problem with cvscedega..
[11:00] <UzzaDead> Al-Daja, im damn near not a noob now :)
[11:00] <Al-Daja> i'm passing to awful noob so and so noob
[11:00] <tuxcicles> apt-cache search 'for sumthin'\
[11:00] <bulltitan> is there a thread where i can place my thoughts about windows vista?
[11:01] <defrysk> bulltitan, in the trashbin ?
[11:01] <tuxcicles> apt-cache show 'info'
[11:01] <bulltitan> lol!
[11:01] <UzzaDead> i've rewrote my xorg.conf kdmrc and a whole load of other files tonite amazingly my system is still up
[11:01] <UzzaDead> alex__?
[11:01] <UzzaDead> does apt have quake 4 :)
[11:01] <alex__> UzzaDead: sorry
[11:02] <UzzaDead> is it working now?
[11:02] <dodo|kanotix> quake 4?
[11:02] <dodo|kanotix> under linux? :D
[11:02] <UzzaDead> dodo|kanotix, yep :)
[11:02] <judgen> apt-cache search *file* >filename.txt (really nice function)
[11:02] <bulltitan> i wish :( but it is too much for my putter
[11:03] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: emulated, or really a linux-based quake 4?
[11:03] <UzzaDead> poor bulltitan :(
[11:03] <bulltitan> :P
[11:03] <UzzaDead> dodo|kanotix, linux based :D
[11:03] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: Where can i get that? :)
[11:03] <tuxcicles> iv'e played quake 3 before
[11:03] <judgen> dodo|kanotix can you emulate any opengl games in linux with any performance
[11:03] <Mongey> what can i use instead of msn messanger?
[11:03] <UzzaDead> dodo|kanotix, you need a retail copy of the doze version of quake 4 and then download and install the *nix executable
[11:04] <UzzaDead> Mongey, kopete
[11:04] <judgen> dodo|kanotix wine works , but never heard of anyone emulating quake3
[11:04] <judgen> wine is not an emulator
[11:04] <dodo|kanotix> judgen: And the non-opengl-games? btw: What is the easiest way to get to know, whether a game is opengl, or not? :)
[11:04] <UzzaDead> google :)
[11:04] <tuxcicles> my opengl died in dapper, new version of fglrx was incompatable with my mobo
[11:04] <judgen> dodo|kanotix with wine you can use most games, if they are confed right
[11:04] <dodo|kanotix> judgen: wine, yes. but somethings dont work with wine... perhaps its just me ;)
[11:04] <Mongey> ah
[11:05] <Mongey> ty
[11:05] <UzzaDead> i never had much luck with wine
[11:05] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: me :(
[11:05] <judgen> dodo|kanotix some versions of wine works less good with some directx stuff
[11:05] <UzzaDead> then i pirated cedega...
[11:05] <UzzaDead> and fubared my entire system :D
[11:05] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: rofl. and it works? :)
[11:05] <UzzaDead> it works if its not a pirated version lol!
[11:05] <judgen> UzzaDead if you like cedega, please buy it
[11:06] <bulltitan> ups
[11:06] <UzzaDead> judgen, i blew my entire system up trying to use the pirated version :)
[11:06] <UzzaDead> and implied its not a good idea to use said version..
[11:06] <bulltitan> did i hear buy in linux world?
[11:06] <bulltitan> i'm out!!!
[11:06] <UzzaDead> definitely buy cedega :D
[11:06] <judgen> UzzaDead how is tat possible cedega does not replace any system critial files
[11:07] <UzzaDead> judgen, in trying to get the pirated cedega installed/working etc..
[11:07] <UzzaDead> i noobed the system to hell
[11:07] <Adam_eM> hi there
[11:07] <dodo|kanotix> linux means open source... cedega isnt... so, why support them? :-p
[11:07] <kevin> UzzaDead: Do you have it working with dapper now?
[11:07] <kevin> cvscedega is free ;p
[11:07] <dodo|kanotix> cvs?
[11:07] <UzzaDead> kevin, nah this was last year or earlier on gentoo
[11:08] <UzzaDead> explain this cvscedega..
[11:08] <judgen> dodo|kanotix if you are nooby enough to need cedega and not to compile it yourself you deserve to pay
[11:08] <UzzaDead> please :D
[11:08] <kevin> it's the cvs version of cedega..it's free o.O
[11:08] <UzzaDead> how does one compile this version..
[11:08] <judgen> UzzaDead its cedega but you have to compile it yourself
[11:08] <UzzaDead> it'd go over my head then eh?
[11:08] <judgen> UzzaDead the same way you compile most other apps
[11:08] <kevin> heres teh easiest way to install uzzaDead - http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Cedega+CVS
[11:08] <dodo|kanotix> judgen: Just a joke. :) btw: i think almost everyone is to "nooby" to compile it, what do you mean? :)
[11:08] <kevin> it's all done by itself pretty much
[11:09] <bulltitan> noob how to,..... what is cedega?
[11:09] <kevin> wine for games
[11:09] <judgen> bulltitan its an game-optimized version of wine
[11:09] <tuxcicles> i saw some deb files of codega out there in pirate land before
[11:09] <dodo|kanotix> !away
[11:09] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages.
[11:09] <bulltitan> to,... play,... a,... game,... use,.... cedega,... is it ok?
[11:10] <judgen> bulltitan explain you comment?
[11:10] <UzzaDead> i really wouldnt recommend pirating cedega :)
[11:10] <kevin> I believe he's asking if it works well...the answer would be i'm not sure i haven't gotten it working yet ><
[11:10] <bulltitan> haaa it's just a joke telling you that to play a windows game i have to use cedega because of that damn drx 10
[11:10] <UzzaDead> kevin, im gonna hammer on it i'll let you know :)
[11:10] <judgen> kevin i get more fps in ubuntu+wine than in windows so, Yeah it works
[11:11] <bulltitan> or upcoming drx10
[11:11] <judgen> get 1000 more in 3dmark too
[11:11] <UzzaDead> windows makes me angry
[11:11] <kevin> UzzaDead: :D if you run into problems and get em fixed...help me out ;p
[11:11] <bulltitan> yeah me too uzza
[11:11] <UzzaDead> kevin, will do
[11:12] <kevin> UzzaDead: #cedega is useless >< nobodys human in there lol..
[11:12] <bulltitan> win is about patches, patches to fix things not properly done
[11:12] <Plebism> morning all
[11:12] <Adam_eM> when i use firefox browser - for example - i would like to download a wallpaper from kde-look.org, i have got the dialog window with 'download.php' as a filename instead of the desired pic.
[11:13] <UzzaDead> or they dont want to fix us cheap bastards problems :)
[11:13] <tuxcicles> anyone here use kde 3.5.2 repository on there breezy?
[11:13] <Adam_eM> everything's fine in konqueror though
[11:13] <kevin> heh i'm pretty sure cvscedega isn't supported..but i didn't tell them i had cvs lol
[11:13] <UzzaDead> they can probably sniff it out :)
[11:13] <Plebism> just loaded up ubuntu - wow - its great
[11:14] <UzzaDead> kevin,  how long did the compile take for you?
[11:14] <judgen> Plebism yeah
[11:14] <bulltitan> wellcome to ubuntu plebism lol
[11:14] <Plebism> one of the easiest distros ive tried
[11:14] <Plebism> spent an age trying to get fedora to load up :(
[11:14] <bulltitan> in my case kubuntu a cool flavor for other penguins
[11:14] <Adam_eM> Plebism: and what you have tried ?
[11:15] <Plebism> i used to use suse ages ago
[11:15] <Plebism> then later on Red Hat 9
[11:15] <judgen> im not an rpm fan
[11:15] <tuxcicles> Plebism: it's a lot quicker than fedora too, aint it
[11:15] <Plebism> sure is
[11:15] <Plebism> it really just loaded and went
[11:15] <Adam_eM> one thing i don't like in kubuntu is adept - i think it sucks
[11:16] <Plebism> took me a few mins for it to use my ATI card so I could get prop screen res
[11:16] <Plebism> but otherwise - sweeet :D
[11:16] <bulltitan> agree adam
[11:16] <kevin> UzzaDead: around 20 minutes ><
[11:16] <UzzaDead> whats your specs?
[11:16] <tuxcicles> Plebism: you need to probably try the fglrx gl drivers for your ati
[11:17] <UzzaDead> and wtf is the cvs password?
[11:17] <kevin> UzzaDead: 60 gig hd 7200 rpm 512 pc2700 mem amd 2600+ 1.8 ghz
[11:17] <kevin> UzzaDead: cvs ...
[11:17] <UzzaDead> it must be thinking then :D
[11:17] <kevin> yah :P
[11:17] <UzzaDead> kevin, should take half or less than 20 mins for me then
[11:17] <Plebism> Tuxcicles: Yeah i wondered onto the help pages and did that
[11:17] <Plebism> soooo easy
[11:18] <UzzaDead> 160gb 7200rpm 8mb cache PC3200@2gb 3500+ A64 2.2ghz
[11:18] <bulltitan> (kevin out of record you can put that baby to work up to 2100 real)
[11:18] <UzzaDead> probably even 2.2 :D
[11:18] <Adam_eM> bulltitan:  yeah... i even considering the possibility of making something on my own, but i need libapt description for that
[11:18] <bulltitan> :D
[11:18] <kevin> you mean ghz?
[11:18] <kevin> overclocking?
[11:18] <UzzaDead> yep
[11:18] <UzzaDead> its on configure now
[11:18] <bulltitan> ho yeps
[11:18] <kevin> meh it's my little brother's computer :P
[11:19] <UzzaDead> overclock it, he'll love you
[11:19] <UzzaDead> unless it explodes
[11:19] <bulltitan> lol
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola?!? is there any news regarding the flash plugin for firefox? it is almost unusable.. when i open a page that require flash i have to kill the firefox process.. does the same happen to you?
[11:19] <kevin> lol i think this'll run his runescape just fine
[11:19] <UzzaDead> in which case we never had this conversation :)
[11:19] <Plebism> is it as easy to install tar.gz files
[11:19] <xavier> hello hello
[11:19] <Plebism> that always usedto stump me
[11:19] <Adam_eM> bulltitan have you seen it somwhere maybe ? :) i mean the libapt specification ?
[11:20] <UzzaDead> this configuring is slow :D
[11:20] <kevin> Plebism: yes just make sure you have build-essential installed
[11:20] <bulltitan> nope yet adam
[11:20] <UzzaDead> spoke too soon
[11:20] <UzzaDead> its done
[11:20] <kevin> Plebism: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:20] <UzzaDead> sweet compiling now
[11:21] <kevin> Plebism: then type ./configure when done type make when done type make install
 so if I want to update firefox .... I have the <IP_ADDRESS>,tar,gz on my desktop
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola?!? is there any news regarding the flash plugin for firefox? it is almost unusable.. when i open a page that require flash i have to kill the firefox process.. does the same happen to you?
[11:21] <kevin> that you would go to -
[11:21] <kevin> !firefox1.5
[11:21] <Adam_eM> bulltitan: so it would be hard to develop something on my own... i have to call the library somehow at all
[11:21] <xavier> I can't manage to remoce kbabel packdge!!! any idea??
[11:21] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kevin: i do have firefox 1.5
[11:21] <UzzaDead> ah its done compiling!
[11:21] <UzzaDead> sweet
[11:21] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: I'm talking to Plebism with that one
[11:22] <UzzaDead> crap
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, :)
[11:22] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Do you have the latest version of flash?
[11:22] <UzzaDead> it errored out
[11:22] <kevin> lol i was gonna say that was WAYYY to quick :P
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes, i do
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> flash 7 right?
 so once firefox files extracted .... run the !firefox command
[11:22] <kevin> no no no
[11:22] <Plebism> ;)
[11:22] <kevin> Plebism: follow these instructions
[11:23] <kevin> !firefox1.5
[11:23] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:23] <kevin> click that link and follow the instructions
[11:23] <Plebism> ok
[11:23] <bulltitan> adam i am amaze by linux world because i'm in it for about one month now ,... for that kind of questions ask my pal uzzadead :D
[11:23] <bulltitan> by the way i love linux
[11:23] <UzzaDead> what?
[11:23] <UzzaDead> im a noob still!
[11:23] <bulltitan> lol
[11:23] <kevin> UzzaDead: Is teh uber n00b
[11:24] <Adam_eM> ok, so we'll try UzzaDead then :)
[11:24] <kevin> UzzaDead: Why'd it error out?
[11:24] <UzzaDead> kevin, is the uber uber n00b :P
[11:24] <UzzaDead> kevin,  no clue im still too noob :)
[11:24] <bulltitan> :D
[11:24] <Adam_eM> oh, and bte: good luck in further journey with linux bulltitan
[11:24] <tuxcicles> im a noob too, cus i keep forgetting everything i need to remember
[11:24] <Plebism> kevin - I take it all done in SU mode?
[11:25] <kevin> Plebism: Everything you need is in that tutorial
[11:25] <Plebism> ok - reading now :)
[11:25] <Adam_eM> hey does anyone know how to force firefox to work a bit more with qt ?
[11:25] <bulltitan> thanks adam for now i'm ok,... i just killed windows and i feel like not looking back
[11:25] <Plebism> they have some great support pages
[11:25] <kevin> UzzaDead: The real kevin is an uber uber n00b i'm word his brother ;p
[11:25] <Tea> hi all
[11:25] <kevin> UzzaDead: Did you install all the packages it wanted?
[11:25] <UzzaDead> yeah
[11:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola?!? is there any news regarding the flash plugin for firefox? it is almost unusable.. when i open a page that require flash i have to kill the firefox process.. does the same happen to you?
[11:26] <Adam_eM> i simply cannot save any pictures in it. konqueror does well though
[11:26] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, whats the problem?
[11:26] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Go to the flash site and try installing it again there may have been an incremental update that you missed.
[11:26] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: what are you compiling?
[11:27] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, cvscedega
[11:27] <Tea> i have just order 10CDs from ubuntu.com, when can i receive them ???
[11:27] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: well, there's a lot of problems :). Let's start from the firefox :)
[11:27] <UzzaDead> lol firefox makes me happy
[11:27] <cfraz89> oh lol
[11:27] <kevin> Tea: Did you put in your address?
[11:27] <Tea> yes
[11:27] <cfraz89> what error did you get?
[11:27] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, way way too many :D
[11:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> meah, i really dubt so.. i read that they stopped working on the version 7 in order to provide a good version 9 for linux
[11:27] <kevin> Tea: You'll be getting them sometime near teh end of the month
[11:27] <cfraz89> see if you can find the first one
[11:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kevin: do you have the same problems?
[11:27] <Tea> thanks
[11:28] <UzzaDead> im compiling again
[11:28] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: I use Opera
[11:28] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: when i want to save a pic (f.e from kde-look) it puts 'download.php' as the filename, and it's impossible to save any pic there
[11:28] <cfraz89> ok
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, i see..
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> did you buy it?
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe i could try opera too..
[11:28] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, just rename the file..
[11:28] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: It's free now...has been for awhile.
[11:28] <UzzaDead> firefox on windoze does that to me on some sites
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> free.. with ADS in the top though right?
[11:28] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Nope, completely free
[11:29] <UzzaDead> and very tasty
[11:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, so it is in the repositories i suppose
[11:29] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: You have to add it. Opera has it's own repository
[11:29] <bulltitan> i should get some drinks to the ppl helping here,... maybe with a touch of vodka and cofee
[11:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[11:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the installation of plugins is automated as in explorer in windows or by hand like in linux?
[11:30] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: but it's some kind unconvenient. There have to be another way
[11:30] <UzzaDead> not that i know of Adam_eM
[11:30] <UzzaDead> but im a noob like i said
[11:31] <kevin> um...they have their own tuts on how to install the plugins but once you have them in the right places you go into plugins and tell it to find new and they're autodetected
[11:31] <Tea> can we talk about windows in this # ???
[11:31] <UzzaDead> only if its bashing!
[11:31] <UzzaDead> jk
[11:31] <bulltitan> about what tea?
[11:31] <bulltitan> ho i love that chat :p
[11:31] <bulltitan> can i start with insults?
[11:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !opera
[11:31] <ubotu> download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ (breezy) or http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-284/intel-linux/ (dapper) to install see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[11:31] <Tea> about w2k3, exchange server and so on...
[11:31] <UzzaDead> so anyone else gonna buy vista?
[11:31] <UzzaDead> im doing the loan paperwork right now!
[11:32] <Tea> thank kevin
[11:32] <kevin> Tea: That was a joke :P
[11:32] <bulltitan> kevin is that an insult channel?
[11:32] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: i was using suse previously and there were no problems with it. There were nice qt dialog windows etc. Maybe they used some additional packages ?
[11:32] <bulltitan> i'm in if it is
[11:33] <UzzaDead> i didnt use suse very long :)
[11:33] <kevin> bulltitan: naw no ones there
[11:33] <bulltitan> :(
[11:33] <UzzaDead> yay i have 7.09gb free ram!
[11:33] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: i didn't use the latest release very long as i noticed how bugged it is :)
[11:34] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, i didnt use it for many reasons
[11:34] <kevin> UzzaDead: if you get it working let me know i'll be on tommorrow
[11:34] <UzzaDead> still compiling :D
[11:34] <UzzaDead> wb judgen
[11:34] <judgen> Anyone familiar with kde
[11:34] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead:  you mean... ?
[11:34] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, ?
[11:34] <_tom> desu
[11:35] <judgen> i wish to remove the sectionlabels of the startmenu
[11:35] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead:  what reasons do you mean
[11:35] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, horrible compatibility,support the list goes on
[11:35] <UzzaDead> and im a gamer, suse is no gaming distro :D
[11:35] <denver1> hi
[11:35] <Adam_eM> heheh
[11:35] <Selaiah> Can someone help me with the setup of my Wlan ? (on wpa2 with static ip) Here are my configs http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15150 looks fine yet refuses to connect?
[11:35] <Adam_eM> ubuntu has a lot of games as i can see
[11:35] <bulltitan> uzza gamer?=
[11:35] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, im talking quake 4 and such :D
[11:36] <bulltitan> have run gta san andreas?
[11:36] <UzzaDead> yep..
[11:36] <judgen> Selaiah never used wpa2 on linux
[11:36] <bulltitan> does it worked?
[11:36] <Selaiah> =(
[11:36] <judgen> Selaiah cant you just use wpe?
[11:36] <UzzaDead> on windows :D
[11:36] <bulltitan> :S
[11:36] <Selaiah> well I could yeah, but thats easy to break in
[11:36] <UzzaDead> to be honest most of my gaming is done on windows
[11:37] <UzzaDead> i think i need to go to bed soon i thought midgorn said midget porn
[11:37] <bulltitan> i know,... np i do it too
[11:37] <UzzaDead> that disturbs me...
[11:37] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: well my machine's too weak for such games, but anyway i like to play some lower requirements ones :)
[11:37] <bulltitan> games with windows the rest kubuntu
[11:37] <UzzaDead> exactly bulltitan
[11:37] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, took weak?
[11:37] <UzzaDead> too^
[11:38] <judgen> i love the linux abillity to play older games that no longer work in windows
[11:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> which is the gnome-open equivalent for KDE?
[11:38] <UzzaDead> or never worked in windows to start with judgen
[11:38] <judgen> UzzaDead example?
[11:38] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: i meant it's too slow for that
[11:38] <judgen> tuxraging =)
[11:38] <judgen> racing
[11:38] <judgen> funny game
[11:38] <UzzaDead> that and frozen bubble
[11:38] <kasim> hi, will dapper support (simple) install and boot from a SATA-disk? [many romours floating around ...]
[11:39] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, specs?
[11:39] <bulltitan> thinkin about it i'm thinking on getting kunfu master
[11:39] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: low amount of ram, and videocard mem
[11:39] <UzzaDead> well whats your specs :D
[11:39] <Selaiah> Can someone help me with the setup of my Wlan ? (on wpa2 with static ip) Here are my configs http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15150 looks fine yet refuses to connect?
[11:39] <UzzaDead> i've probably got boxes older than you Adam_eM and bulltitan  :P
[11:39] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: athlon 1.33 with 256 megs of ram and an archaic riva tnt2 :)
[11:39] <godzero> the thing about linux gaming that I can't figure out is that quake 3 ta and america's amry.. etc run fine... but simple games like tuxracer lag
[11:40] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, thats respectable :P
[11:40] <bulltitan> :p
[11:40] <UzzaDead> my first box was an athlon 1.1ghz 256mb ram and onboard shared video :P
[11:40] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead:  not for q4 playing :)
[11:40] <judgen> UzzaDead motorola smp 68000 2x12mhz
[11:40] <UzzaDead> judgen, i hate you :(
[11:40] <judgen> UzzaDead motorola smp 68000 2x12mhz was my first ppc
[11:40] <UzzaDead> you just beat me lol
[11:41] <judgen> my fist pc was an 8086
[11:41] <Mongey> how do i install themes
[11:41] <UzzaDead> my first pc was a piece of junk
[11:41] <bulltitan> sempron 2100 real 512 ram vga
[11:41] <Mongey> MY firt pc is this
[11:41] <UzzaDead> hell it wasnt even a pc it was a commodore!
[11:41] <judgen> first comuter at all was a 4bit texasinstruments from the 70s or so =)
[11:41] <bulltitan> ati 9600 of course :D
[11:41] <Mongey> amd 64 3200+ nvidia 7600ft+
[11:41] <bulltitan> nah mine was a cz spectrum color :p
[11:41] <Mongey> *gt
[11:42] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, athlon 64 3500+ 2048mb real ram and 256mb Geforce 6800 GT with GDDR3
[11:42] <judgen> current system is a quad opteron 2000mhz with 8gb ram
[11:42] <Adam_eM> my first pc was err... p90 with 8 megs... my first computer was sinclair zx80 or whatever it calls :)
[11:42] <UzzaDead> judgen, i hate you again
[11:42] <bulltitan> uzza you rock!
[11:42] <godzero> judgen: 212mhz smp.. must have cost quite a bit in the day
[11:42] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, thanks you can kiss my feet now :)
[11:42] <godzero> 2-12
[11:42] <bulltitan> lol
[11:42] <UzzaDead> just kidding :)
[11:42] <UzzaDead> judgen, what do you do with that box?
[11:43] <judgen> godzero 2x12mhz (24mhz in total) yes it costed a fortune
[11:43] <bulltitan> i know cos ati rocks
[11:43] <judgen> UzzaDead compile code
[11:43] <bulltitan> lol
[11:43] <UzzaDead> that explains it :)
[11:43] <judgen> UzzaDead and draw in cad
[11:43] <UzzaDead> i bet you never lag on anything lol
[11:43] <judgen> cad uses insane cpu power
[11:43] <UzzaDead> anything thats compiled for smp at least..
[11:43] <Tea> i need download squid for linux
[11:44] <UzzaDead> my only smp box is a SUN SPARCServer
[11:44] <Tea> can anyone show me where to download it ???
[11:44] <Adam_eM> hey where can i get libapt any \specification ?
[11:44] <UzzaDead> it takes two people to pick it up or move it :)
[11:44] <judgen> cant say i can complain, but later on im going 16way opteron, when the quad-core opterons arrive
[11:44] <godzero> I worked with a friends unix machine back in '91 or so that matched that descripion.. spendy
[11:44] <UzzaDead> good times :D
[11:44] <judgen> godzero they were still wuite fast
[11:45] <Adam_eM> i was looking for it on debian's developers page, but there's nothing
[11:45] <rob> hmm, anyone being logged out after the screensaver kicks in?
[11:45] <Adam_eM> could anyone help ?
[11:45] <judgen> godzero you could do much with an 68000 at 24mhz per mhz compared to todays systems
[11:45] <UzzaDead> judgen, my 68040 beats your 2x12mhz 68000's :P
[11:45] <judgen> probably
[11:45] <UzzaDead> but then again its alot newer..
[11:46] <UzzaDead> and its not smp
[11:46] <judgen> UzzaDead the difference is the time of purchase and the usage of the system
[11:46] <godzero> judgen: I was a amiga fan boy in the day.. loved the 68k
[11:46] <UzzaDead> yeah
[11:46] <judgen> godzero most amiga fans uses linux today (especially as beos failed)
[11:46] <UzzaDead> i miss the old days of computers
[11:46] <judgen> cant go from a semiopen system to windows
[11:46] <UzzaDead> it was just "different"
[11:47] <bulltitan> beos failed me with sempron processor
[11:47] <Adam_eM> judgen: what about morphos, and aos ?
[11:47] <judgen> UzzaDead different as in "better" =)
[11:47] <UzzaDead> definitely judgen
[11:47] <judgen> Adam_eM dead in the water
[11:47] <bulltitan> more over i think with athlon cpu too
[11:47] <judgen> Adam_eM they are vaporware even withouth haveing a stable realease
[11:47] <UzzaDead> BeOS was nice
[11:47] <bulltitan> it was cool while it lasted
[11:47] <judgen> beos was not nice it ROCKED!
[11:47] <Adam_eM> judgen:  that's too bad
[11:47] <UzzaDead> what killed BeOS anyway?
[11:48] <bulltitan> agree but more amd support will be cool
[11:48] <Adam_eM> me :D
[11:48] <godzero> I never had the chance to try BeOS
[11:48] <judgen> UzzaDead microsofts deal with all the oem companies
[11:48] <UzzaDead> its still snappy as hell even today
[11:48] <UzzaDead> i run it on some of my macs
[11:48] <judgen> UzzaDead but microsoft got sued in the end for illegal practices and had to pay a billion or so to be.inc
[11:48] <UzzaDead> microsoft angers
[11:48] <gupta> hey all, Someone plz tell, how much MB's will i have to download to upgrade from breezy to dapper
[11:49] <judgen> gupta do you have desktop installed
[11:49] <gupta> i.e aptitude dist-updrage would require how much?
[11:49] <gupta> nope, me is on win right now :(
[11:49] <judgen> gupta the basic server system should be about 255mb and desktop about 450 i think
[11:49] <bulltitan> any microsoft practice is illegal
[11:49] <godzero> gupta: look at your / partition... prolly 1/2 that amount
[11:49] <judgen> bulltitan not all
[11:49] <UzzaDead> probably :D
[11:49] <bulltitan> mos of it
[11:49] <judgen> bulltitan microsoft has done good things too
[11:50] <gupta> judgen: Thanks, I think I'll reuest a cd then :D
[11:50] <UzzaDead> is it possible to compile my own custom kernel in kubuntu :)
[11:50] <bulltitan> most i mean
[11:50] <bulltitan> yep
[11:50] <bulltitan> i know judgen
[11:50] <judgen> UzzaDead its possible in every linux
[11:50] <UzzaDead> i mean is there a noob guide for me :)
[11:50] <godzero> my 2.6ghz pc w/1gb ram  is in some ways slower than my old 68k amiga
[11:51] <judgen> bulltitan the wors invention ever that microsoft conceeded was ms implemetnation of netbeui
[11:51] <UzzaDead> godzero, i think thats because as hardware got faster and faster the coders got lazier and lazier with their optimizations and clever hacks
[11:51] <judgen> godzero the only thing i really lack when using my amiga is protected memoryspace
[11:51] <MasterEvilAce> anyone know any way to disable the black and white effect on the logout screen?
[11:52] <bulltitan> i have a bunch of illegal stuff from microsoft but it will be no point to tell you guys what you already know
[11:52] <judgen> UzzaDead i can run xvid movies at full speed on a 200mhz amiga, and its not even remotly possible on a via c3 933mhz withouth framedrops
[11:52] <bulltitan> the guy is a genious but an evil one
[11:52] <UzzaDead> judgen,  you joke o_o
[11:52] <judgen> UzzaDead nope not kidding there
[11:52] <UzzaDead> thats obscene!
[11:53] <godzero> xvid on a 200 mhz amiga? ppc?
[11:53] <judgen> yup
[11:53] <judgen> have some accelerator card thoug, never opened the case
[11:54] <judgen> was thinking about buying a new amiga and kick in a sonnet g3 upgrade to about 733mhz and 512mb ram + a few scsi disks
[11:54] <judgen> that wouls be cool when running old apps =)
[11:55] <Mongey> how do i get the them manager working
[11:55] <_tom> wouldnt they most likely be cpu clocked
[11:55] <_tom> so theyd run SuPERFAsT
[11:55] <bulltitan> if you can run a xvid on that ,...hum geee
[11:56] <judgen> _tom i dont know about that, you can run the same games on a amiga 500 and a 233mhz amiga 4000 and have the same framrate (locked to vsync i think)
[11:57] <judgen> amiga os stil have the problem with protected memoryspace, so if one app goes down. it takes sall the os with it
[11:58] <bulltitan> i have a doubt
[11:58] <_tom> http://pastebin.ca/62489 god >:( crazy webmin
[11:58] <UzzaDead> judgen, you use cedega right?
[11:58] <_tom> well not that but crazy me for not using expert mode during install NO MAKE By DEFAULT????
[11:58] <bulltitan> why there is some ppl still using amiga,... remember i'm a noob
[11:59] <dennis_p> jugden: long live mint and multitos! Oh wait this is the kubuntu channel
[11:59] <bulltitan> what makes it still good to be alive
[11:59] <tuxcicles> i think amigas are like some kind of standard in australia, idn't it?
[12:00] <bulltitan> hum
[12:01] <bulltitan> i don't want any technical specs or anything just to know why they use it and what for?
[12:01] <canid> any idea if after loading KDE on standard ubuntu dekstop its common for it not to get past <loading modules> on startup?
[12:01] <bulltitan> it is interesting for me
[12:01] <godzero> judgen: I thought the protected memory think was an artifact of my 68k.. 68020 and better suported prot mem.. but the never OSs (aga age) didn't?
[12:02] <godzero> I had a hevily modified A500
[12:02] <dennis_p> 68030 and up
[12:03] <bulltitan> sorry to all amiga users it wasn't an insult just curiosity
[12:03] <godzero> s/never/newer .. dennis_p: thanks
[12:03] <jorik> i upgraded to dapper yesterday and ever since, my computer freezes from time to time. I've had two freezes last night (when i tried to log out of KDE, and when i tried to log out of Gnome). this morning KDE just froze out of nowhere (i was only using opera and amarok at the time) and when i restarted my computer, it kept freezing trying to start KDE (i tried a couple times, seems it freezes right when it's trying to restart the session). I r
[12:03] <jorik> estarted again using an older kernel and while KDE started succesfully this time, my sound no longer works. i already did an apt-get update & upgrade (nothing changed), but im a bit puzzled as to what to try next. any ideas ?
[12:04] <MasterEvilAce> I messed with style settings.. how do I revert back to kubuntu defaults for everything?
[12:04] <godzero> bulltitan: heavy multimedia, desktop pub, graphics, good sound.. etc
[12:04] <bulltitan> good answer it almost make me wnat to get one
[12:04] <dennis_p> godzero: Don't thank me I was in the oposite camp :-)
[12:04] <bulltitan> want i mean
[12:05] <judgen> godzero correct
[12:05] <judgen> UzzaDead no i use wine
[12:06] <tuxcicles> I used to have an amega many moons ago, ran off of floppies, but it was cool
[12:06] <godzero> dennis_p: oposite camp? x86 ?
[12:06] <dennis_p> Atari ST / Falcon
[12:07] <judgen> bulltitan to buy an amiga now without actually been part of the amiga revolution is just stupid. as you wont have the nostalgic buzz, and you will probably dont like the speed as the max possible cpu is 733 and very expensive
[12:08] <judgen> tuxcicles floppy amigas.... i have an hdd amiga with a voodoo5 in it =)
[12:08] <godzero> atari st was an amiga w/o the graphics, or the pre-empt OS.. but was still 68k.. so not too bad
[12:08] <tuxcicles> i am talking back in the 80's here
[12:08] <bulltitan> as i said it was just curiosity not an insult and the first putter i had was an old cz spectrum b/w
[12:09] <godzero> tuxcicles: we know
[12:09] <bulltitan> i was always looking for amiga but not money enough
[12:09] <tuxcicles> i had a hardrive too, i think it costs like $500 for 20 meg
[12:09] <bulltitan> lol
[12:10] <dennis_p> yeah, pre-emptive and memory protection only came in 1992 on the atari and was end of life before it got wide use.
[12:10] <godzero> sounds about right... my first 1 MB of ram cost me $113+tax/shipping
[12:10] <judgen> tuxcicles one of theese? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_1000
[12:11] <tuxcicles> the processor was in the keyboard
[12:11] <judgen> aah amiga 500
[12:11] <godzero> 500 or 600
[12:11] <judgen> then you couldnt have a hdd in it
[12:11] <bulltitan> those times,... :(
[12:11] <godzero> 1200 had a hdd
[12:11] <judgen> the 600 model was actually less good than 500
[12:11] <judgen> godzero yes it had
[12:11] <judgen> and a rom for the os
[12:11] <tuxcicles> it was external
[12:12] <judgen> damn it booted fast compared to many other oses of the day
[12:12] <godzero> slap on the side?
[12:12] <judgen> why cant i buy a kickstart rom for linux today, or any other os... that would be soo cool
[12:12] <judgen> boot ubuntu in 1sec from ddr3 =)
[12:13] <judgen> amiga 600 was the budgetmodel of the amiga 500
[12:13] <godzero> x86 arch is lame. maybe a flash disk?
[12:13] <oggers> hello. Which is the correct/recommended way to create an encrypted filesystem on dapper?
[12:13] <judgen> flash is mostly too slow to be usable, unless you want to pay four and a half fortune for it
[12:13] <godzero> oggers: at the partition level?
[12:14] <godzero> oggers: or file level?
[12:14] <resmo> hi
[12:15] <dennis_p> The Falcon 030 was quite a waste of money although you could surf the internet and read about how money was spend on the Jaguar as Atari feared for their illigal use of IBM patents after they learned how suiing worked well when they took some money from Sega.
[12:15] <oggers> godzero: at partition level
[12:15] <judgen> hehe a friend of mine modified/rewrote an entire filesystem so noone except his computer could read the partitions
[12:15] <oggers> judgen: too much work for me ;-)
[12:15] <judgen> inzane level of security =)
[12:16] <bulltitan> gotta crash see u later
[12:16] <tuxcicles> now that is security
[12:17] <judgen> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/AmigaOS_3_9_Workbench.jpg
[12:17] <judgen> amiga os 3.9
[12:17] <godzero> oggers: a place to start: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120091
 now that is security .. no not really. just obfuscation
[12:18] <tuxcicles> so secure that no one can get into it
[12:19] <godzero> I could no prob most likely
[12:19] <dennis_p> *ACCESS GRANTED*
[12:19] <godzero> but then again I did crypto a while back..
[12:19] <dennis_p> there, see
[12:20] <godzero> ;P
[12:20] <judgen> anyone looked at this system http://aros-exec.org/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10468/Full_Desktop.jpg
[12:20] <judgen> seems fun
[12:20] <judgen> an attempt to revive amiga on an non ppc system
[12:21] <godzero> I tried the aros system. not bad... and realyy fast... even under VM
[12:21] <godzero> 5 second boot
[12:24] <oggers> godzero: thanx, but I already knew it. I'll try to apply it on dapper.
[12:24] <godzero> I hated win95's standards.. the when I went back to Amiga OS/aros I actually got confused. Time goes quick
[12:26] <godzero> oggers: I wish I knew a quick plug-in for dapper, but There are resones it's hrd to do to say /home/mylogin... It should be looked into
[12:26] <godzero> reasons
[12:29] <dennis_p> Is there a kubuntu FAQ? after enabling available repros xine extra does not reveal itself.
[12:29] <judgen> godzero how would you proceed to getting files from an filesystem that you never have seen before and does not work as any other filesystem that you have ever seen before?
[12:30] <judgen> dennis- have you done a "sudo apt-get update"
[12:31] <walter> test
[12:32] <dennis_p> yes inside adept manager
[12:33] <arnau> Hello
[12:34] <arnau> I have kubuntu dapper but I have no sound in mozilla-thunderbird. All other applications as firefox, xine, etc., work OK. Somebody knows how to fix it?
[12:34] <godzero> judgen: think of inserting a apple floppy into a c=64's1541 drive... makes no sence at first.. but once you figure out the riles, it's pretty easy.... crypto is differenet
[12:35] <godzero> arg, i can't type
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> am I supposed to have something for "3D Accelerator" under "opengl" in KInfoCenter?? it says Unknown..
[12:36] <godzero> crypto is when you know the rules, its still hard to de-crypt due to the math
[12:39] <godzero> MasterEvilAce: what video card do you have?
[12:39] <dennis_p> All the URLs are the same in my repositories only the Component differs. Is that wrong?
[12:40] <pekuja> probably not
[12:43] <godzero> dennis_p: here's my /etc/apt/sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15189
[12:46] <MasterEvilAce> godzero: geforce 2 GO
[12:48] <godzero> I don't have a geforce card :( I can't help
[12:50] <godzero> jorik displays his wisdom
[12:51] <slow-motion> bbl
[12:52] <Healot> hi kubuntuans
[12:52] <godzero> kubuntu? what's that? j/k.
[12:53] <godzero> all: any info on edgy?
[12:53] <MasterEvilAce> what's  good program for writing C, C#, C++ apps?
[12:54] <dennis_p> It means feline humanity on top of me
[12:54] <viksa> need help to configure by TV-CARD please
[12:55] <godzero> dennis_p: that's just wrong. wrong. wrong.wrong
[12:55] <dennis_p> heard Kate has colorfull plugins to do do programming
[12:55] <godzero> kate is not bad, but any votes for a better ide?
[12:56] <apokryphos> kdevelop is meant to be very good
[12:56] <Terminus> godzero: kdevelop?
[12:56] <Terminus> darn... apokryphos beat me to it. :p
[12:56] <chunLaptop> hello all,  i use kate as a text editor for programming
[12:56] <apokryphos> I use M$ Word
[12:56] <apokryphos> really good tools
[12:56] <Healot> MasterEvilAce: were you thinking of IDE?
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> kdevelop i think i remember using on some other distro
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> so i shall install that
[12:57] <Healot> KDevelop or Eclipse
[12:57] <godzero> apokryphos: i agree, we all should program in ms word
[12:58] <apokryphos> umbrello is also around
[12:59] <godzero> I never used umbrello.. any good?
[12:59] <edneymatias> hello!
[12:59] <apokryphos> godzero: can't vouch for it myself, but it's quite popular, and comes by default on the Kubuntu distribution
[01:00] <apokryphos> oh wait, doesn't seem to anymore
[01:00] <apokryphos> ok...... it didn't even in hoary. Must be my imagination
[01:00] <apokryphos> available in Universe of course though
[01:00] <vinboy> umbrello is good
[01:01] <godzero> lol, tricky thing, memory
[01:02] <godzero> actally I do use kate for xhtml. Not bad
[01:02] <godzero> actually
[01:02] <apokryphos> for a couple of webpages I use kate or vim for very quick editing, for larger projects and for docbook I tend to use Quanta
[01:03] <apokryphos> they're all very good
[01:03] <godzero> I've had no luck with Quanta.. at all
[01:04] <apokryphos> what do you mean>?
[01:04] <godzero> crashes
[01:04] <apokryphos> ack
[01:04] <apokryphos> last few versions I've used have at least been very stable here; can't report having any crashes
[01:05] <godzero> I should try it again.. it's been 1/2 year
[01:05] <apokryphos> feature and functionality-wise it's an excellent application
[01:05] <apokryphos> it just really needs a usability makeover
[01:06] <apokryphos> many cases of widgets in widgets
[01:06] <jorik> ok i tried installing the binary ati (radeon 9600) drivers but nothing changed ... i still get random lockups when using the latest kernel
[01:06] <apokryphos> *problematic cases, that is
[01:06] <jorik> also, something very odd happens when i use the latest kernel: x doesnt start but draws my screen like it looked right before it crashed
[01:07] <godzero> jorik: curious.. what does it draw? The usuall psudo-grey hash pattern?
[01:09] <jorik> godzero, nope, its just my KDE session like it was before it crashed, except in the top right corner there are a few black areas
[01:09] <godzero> hrm.. thinking..
[01:10] <MasterEvilAce> so it's like a screenshot?
[01:10] <jorik> MasterEvilAce, yup
[01:10] <steph_> hello everyone, i have dapper (kubuntu), and unlike breezy my usb is not automaticaly automounted... has someone had the same pb?
[01:11] <jorik> its weird huh ? i'd never imagine linux would save that information. maybe because i didnt cut the power but just pressed reset that it's somehow still retained in my radeon's RAM
[01:11] <MasterEvilAce> jorik: or perhaps X is starting then crashing pretty quickly?
[01:11] <godzero> can you alt-f1?
[01:12] <jorik> MasterEvilAce, well, it showed a konsole in which i typed "sudo apt-g", so i dont think it's that
[01:12] <godzero> sorry: control-alt-f1
[01:12] <jorik> godzero, nope, switching consoles never worked, not on ubuntu, not on any other linux i've ever tried on this machine (gentoo, mandrake)
[01:13] <dennis_p> well i'm going to try to complete my install with http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[01:13] <kbrooks_> dennis-: go on
[01:13] <godzero> hrm.. sounds to me like a video driver prob. ALL: any ideas?
[01:15] <steph_> someone for usb pb? please
[01:15] <jorik> looking through launchpad it seems like im not the only one with this problem
[01:15] <godzero> jorik: laptop?
[01:16] <jorik> no it's a desktop: AMD athlon with an ATI Radeon 9600
[01:17] <kbrooks_> I HAVE A QUESTION
[01:18] <kbrooks_> WHY doesnt adept accept any --set-selections option? or even a single -o option?
[01:18] <kbrooks_> this could be a chance for easyubuntu to stop using apt-get
[01:18] <kbrooks_> and go for  adept
[01:19] <kbrooks_> we dont use apt-get on Ubuntu
[01:19] <kbrooks_> why then should the adept package manager be treated as 2nd class?
[01:20] <apokryphos> we really do use it 8)
[01:20] <kbrooks_> because it doesnt accept --set-selections or -o
[01:20] <Healot> 2nd class app? wtf?
[01:20] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: we as in EU
[01:20] <apokryphos> EU?
[01:20] <kbrooks_> we use synaptic on ubuntu
[01:20] <kbrooks_> eu = easyubuntu
[01:20] <apokryphos> right, yeah
[01:21] <apokryphos> adept is a fine and dandy GUI front-end to apt
[01:21] <ludek> Hi
[01:21] <kbrooks_> EasyUbuntu *should* use adept on kubuntu, but it isnt compatible with synaptic in that it doesnt accept --set-selections or -o
[01:22] <kbrooks_> so EasyUbuntu uses apt-get instead
[01:22] <kbrooks_> get it?
[01:22] <apokryphos> kbrooks_: mornfall's often around, I recommend asking him if there's any alternatives
[01:23] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: ^^^ - in that configuration, adept is treated as a second class applicaton
[01:23] <havoc> hmm, easyubuntu looks good for lazy people like me
[01:24] <kbrooks_> havoc: there are various bugs up on LP that coulkd be fixed if EU switched from  apt-get to adept
[01:24] <kbrooks_> havoc: for instance, Flash shows a dialog box in the CLI
[01:25] <kbrooks_> havoc: EU uses a log window
[01:25] <kbrooks_> havoc: But it sucks
[01:25] <havoc> so don't use EU?
[01:25] <Healot> EU? European Union?
[01:25] <kbrooks_> havoc: you're wrong there. we want to fix these bugs
[01:25] <kbrooks_> Healot: easyubuntu
[01:25] <havoc> ok
[01:25] <barros> hi.. yesterday i tried to compile a custom kernel.. just to confirm, the better way of doing this is getting the linux-source package and compile it, right?
[01:25] <Healot> abbreviate
[01:26] <kbrooks_> the log window shows terminal dialog window gibberish
[01:26] <kbrooks_> get it all now, y'all?
[01:26] <j0rik> k sorry, my connection dropped for a sec. if anyone said anything to me after godzero asked if i was using a laptop: i havent read it
[01:29] <godzero> My baby was born 6 years ago, today.. at about this time. Eveyone: give Stephi a "yay"!
[01:29] <havoc> Yay! :)
[01:29] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: ok, will do
[01:29] <godzero> :)
[01:30] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: does he have e-mail?
[01:31] <apokryphos> kbrooks_: http://web.mornfall.net/
[01:31] <kbrooks_> k
[01:31] <dennis_p> Well easyubuntu turned out to be easy, my dr who recordings play with sound now, thanks
[01:32] <dennis_p> too bad it had no chackmark for install and configure mythtv for NL :-)
[01:32] <kbrooks_> dennis_p: ummm.
[01:33] <kbrooks_> grr.
[01:33] <kbrooks_> my dsites down for some reason
[01:34] <barros> when I boot it up, I dont get that splash screen! do I have to enable something to it works?
[01:36] <DeadS0ul> borros do you have usplash
[01:37] <godzero> Stephi will really like that she is famous now! :)
[01:37] <barros> DeadS0ul: probably, cause when I boot the ekrnel shipped in ubuntu I got the splash..
[01:37] <barros> DeadS0ul: and I got the linux-source, from ubuntu too
[01:38] <dennis_p> Do I need to do something more after installing ssh server? "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start" says "fail"
[01:39] <barros> dennis_p: I got this same issue.. I run it by hand and then averything worked..
[01:39] <dennis_p> how to do that?
[01:39] <godzero> dennis_p: hrm.. i get no such error
[01:39] <barros> dennis_p: just do /usr/sbin/sshd
[01:40] <barros> i dunno why, but probably some default configs is not installed with the package
[01:40] <barros> DeadS0ul: do I have to enable something in the make menuconfig?
[01:40] <j0rik> is there a safe way to downgrade back to breezy without having to re-install the entire OS ?
[01:41] <apokryphos> nope
[01:42] <godzero> j0rik: no, I don't think s. Not easily anyways
[01:47] <j0rik> is it possible to reinstall breezy over / without creating a new filesystem on / ? im thinking maybe just delete everything except /home from the live cd and then install brezzy over it
[01:48] <apokryphos> j0rik: this is one of the reasons you should have /home on a seperate partition 8)
[01:48] <imbrandon> j0rik: thats the good thing about haveing a/home partition ;)
[01:48] <apokryphos> anyhow, not sure how it is for Ubuntu. A lot of distributions tend to force you to format whatever's mounted as /
[01:48] <j0rik> thanks, i feel much better now
[01:48] <doktoreas> is there a livecd of 6.06?
[01:49] <godzero> j0rik: yes.
[01:49] <apokryphos> j0rik: what problems are you experiencing on dapper?
[01:49] <apokryphos> doktoreas: /msg ubotu faq
[01:49] <godzero> it's called dual-booting. detup hda2 (or some such) as "/"
[01:50] <godzero> s/detup/setup
[01:50] <j0rik> apokryphos, X crashes randomly, but only when i use the latest kernel (good thing i still had two older kernels), so i think it's because of 3d acceleration
[01:50] <apokryphos> j0rik: what card do you have? What errors does X give? etc etc
[01:51] <dennis_p> sudo /usr/sbin/sshd      I did, but I don't get response on its IP when i try to fish
[01:51] <j0rik> i dont know what errors X gives: it just freezes (sometimes i can still move my mouse around; but nothing "clicks" and my KB is dead too). it's an ATI Radeon 9600
[01:52] <godzero> dennis_p: fish relies on ssh on the far end
[01:52] <j0rik> i found some bugs on launchpad that might be what im experiencing (who've all -oh the joy- seem to have been downgraded from critical to normal)
[01:52] <dennis_p> yes i try to fish into this kubuntu computer
[01:52] <apokryphos> j0rik: you installed the drivers? Successfully? When X does crash, you really should look for the error message
[01:53] <themoddingden> i'm having issues with glx
[01:53] <themoddingden> in 5.10
[01:53] <themoddingden> nvidia drivers are there
[01:53] <themoddingden> logo comes up before login to kde
[01:53] <themoddingden> but running glx i get the slide show
[01:54] <godzero> dennis_p: OK, let me catch up: You have a kubuntu machine as the remote? SSH is installed on remote?
[01:55] <j0rik> apokryphos, i installed the latest drivers from ATI successfully (when i run glxinfo they show up), X seemed to crash pretty much randomly untill the last time. Now, whenever i start X, it crashes immediatly and shows what appears to be a screenshot of the last crash (i know it's a screenshot and not a new session because it has "sudo apt-g" typed into a konsole)
[01:56] <apokryphos> j0rik: so next type start x manually (startx), and see what errors it gives when it crashes
[01:57] <godzero> wow, lots of video probs
[01:58] <dennis_p> godzero: ssh server installed via adept in kubuntu. try to fish from debian computer into kubuntu like i did before installing dapper here.
[01:59] <j0rik> apokryphos, ok ill try, brb
[01:59] <j0rik> btw how do i the error log from startx ?
[02:00] <apokryphos> j0rik: the error will be output to the screen you're on, but the Xorg log is in /var/log
[02:00] <j0rik> ok
[02:01] <dennis_p> godzero: typed "/usr/sbin/sshd" gave key not allowed to read so "sudo /usr/sbin/sshd" and it prints nothing, no error no confirmation.
[02:04] <godzero> dennis_p: so, as you prooly know.. the prob is on the local machine. Permisions specificly
[02:05] <TheFuzzball> hello, I was trying to install metabar with apt and it said Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:05] <TheFuzzball>  /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:05] <TheFuzzball> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), then I tried to build from source and it said (when I ran make), make: *** [all]  Error 2 and complained that it coulden't find KonqSidebarPlugin, can somebody help?
[02:05] <jorik> apokryphos, hmm odd: X started normally and direct rendering is working.
[02:05] <apokryphos> TheFuzzball: what does sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  .......give?
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there? in here somebody uses opera?
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> luke@ringo:~/tmp/28725-kmetabar-0.2-beta2/kmetabar-0.2-beta2/kmetabar$ sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> (Reading database ... 241659 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> Unpacking metabar (from .../metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--install):
[02:06] <TheFuzzball>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/metabar.png', which is also in package konq-plugins
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:06] <TheFuzzball>  /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:07] <TheFuzzball> use Konqueror, or firefox
[02:07] <Terminus> !paste
[02:07] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to install the mplayer straming plugin but i don't know how
[02:07] <TheFuzzball> distro?
[02:08] <godzero> I think metaba is already installed, try konqueror+f9
[02:08] <TheFuzzball> godzero, its another version
[02:09] <godzero> k
[02:13] <TheFuzzball> all I need is a file named konqsidebarplugin.h to put in metaber/src
[02:13] <jorik> apokryphos, ok it seems i cheered to soon