[16:00] <cpaelzer> o/
[16:00] <ahasenack> o/
[16:01] <dpb1> o/
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <rbasak> o/
[16:02] <nacc> o/
[16:03] <cpaelzer> ok I pinged a few more and know of afew others that they won't be avilable, lets start
[16:03] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May  9 16:03:27 2017 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:03] <cpaelzer> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <cpaelzer> There were plenty of actions, but also I know some of them resovled - so lets go one by one
[16:04] <cpaelzer> ACTION: rbasak, powersj, cpaelzer to draft mysql triage response page like nginx has (carried over)
[16:04] <rbasak> Still pending :-(
[16:04] <cpaelzer> wrong
[16:04] <cpaelzer> I added a description of the way we tag mysql bugs as triage if they are suitable for a central dup bug or to steal replies from.
[16:04] <cpaelzer> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/mysql
[16:04] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bugs?&field.tag=triage
[16:04] <rbasak> Oh. Thanks!
[16:04] <cpaelzer> That covers the most common cases and we can easily add more.
[16:04] <cpaelzer> I updated the wiki for that, the remaining action would be for rbasak to update who maintains the package.
[16:04] <cpaelzer> rbasak: you are doing that with Lars and more? - it would be nice if you could update this section.
[16:04] <cpaelzer> The site became a bit "light" now that we actually do it via launchpad tags, but it seemed to make more sense.
[16:04] <cpaelzer> rbasak: are you ok to take that remainign update as action with you?
[16:04] <dpb1> cpaelzer++
[16:04] <cpaelzer> only your part rbasak :-)
[16:04] <rbasak> My todo entry for that is below the fold now :-/
[16:04] <cpaelzer> honestly I just wasn't sure I'd get the oracle role in this right, so I'd ask you to take that
[16:04] <rbasak> Sure
[16:05] <cpaelzer> everything else will be in the tags unless we want another solution
[16:05] <cpaelzer> and the wiki plinks
[16:05] <cpaelzer> #action: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page
[16:05] <meetingology> ACTION: : rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page
[16:05] <rbasak> ack
[16:05] <cpaelzer> ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:05] <cpaelzer> ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:06] <nacc> cpaelzer: both continue
[16:06] <cpaelzer> I see useful new content
[16:06] <cpaelzer> ok, continuing
[16:06] <cpaelzer> #action nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:06] <cpaelzer> #action nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:06] <cpaelzer> the next pair is for rharper on cloud-init
[16:06] <cpaelzer> ACTION: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:06] <cpaelzer> ACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:06]  * rharper hangs head
[16:06] <cpaelzer> continue?
[16:06] <rharper> well, we did publish the docs
[16:07] <rharper> but I've not referred to them in the guides
[16:07]  * rharper fetches link
[16:07] <cpaelzer> nore the release notes?
[16:07] <rharper> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html
[16:07] <smoser> \o/
[16:07] <rharper> cpaelzer: correct, we should link to that in guide and notes
[16:07] <rharper> s/we/rharper
[16:07] <rharper> so, yes, carry
[16:07] <cpaelzer> yeah, I'll continue your action then and info on this
[16:07] <dpb1> that looks like technical content
[16:07] <rharper> ack
[16:08] <rharper> dpb1: yeah, did that before we were told to
[16:08] <dpb1> rharper++
[16:08] <cpaelzer> #info mysql triaging now assisted by most common bugs being tagged, see links for details
[16:08] <rharper> sweet, I was hoping for a gold star
[16:08] <dpb1> gold stars for all!
[16:08] <cpaelzer> #info ipv6 info available for cloud-init
[16:08] <cpaelzer> #link http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html
[16:08] <cpaelzer> #action: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:08] <meetingology> ACTION: : rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:08] <cpaelzer> #action rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:08] <meetingology> ACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:09] <cpaelzer> the last action was ACTION: teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x)
[16:09] <cpaelzer> I synced with him as he can not attend
[16:09] <cpaelzer> pasting from that now
 cpaelzer: well i won't be able to be at the meeting tomorrow [...] make a note on the action item for me re: nginx release notes  to push it to the next meeting for a status checkin
 i've got the bulletpoints on a notepad document, i've not gotten much further
[16:09] <cpaelzer> teward: thanks for keeping us updated, notes in the meeting and keeping the action for now
[16:09] <cpaelzer> #action teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x)
[16:09] <meetingology> ACTION: teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x)
[16:09] <cpaelzer> that gets us to current dev
[16:09] <cpaelzer> #topic Artful Development
[16:09] <cpaelzer> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[16:10] <cpaelzer> #subtopic blueprints
[16:10] <cpaelzer> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-aa-server-core
[16:10] <cpaelzer> I saw nacc and myself check a few of the merges already
[16:10] <cpaelzer> more to come the next weeks for sure
[16:10] <nacc> lvm2 just went through as well
[16:10] <cpaelzer> thanks nacc
[16:10] <cpaelzer> your pace on this makes me proud and wishing there wouldn't be that much libvirt/qemu things up in the air atm
[16:11] <cpaelzer> nacc for merge president
[16:11] <dpb1> nacc++
[16:11] <cpaelzer> #info merges going well so far and which is good given how early in the cycle we still are
[16:11] <cpaelzer> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:11] <cpaelzer> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:11] <cpaelzer> I've mostly seen 17.04 issues recently which is natural after the release and people using it now
[16:11] <nacc> i think my m.u.c list is pretty short now, so i can pick up others next week
[16:12] <nacc> yep
[16:12] <cpaelzer> anyone seen 17.10 things that are worth to share?
[16:12] <ahasenack> would this be the place to bring up that samba bug I've worked on?
[16:12] <cpaelzer> SRU comes later
[16:12] <ahasenack> it's for artful first
[16:12] <cpaelzer> and if you miss it there there is open discussion as a catch all
[16:12] <cpaelzer> then pelase shoot
[16:13] <cpaelzer> this isn't so strict on where
[16:13] <ahasenack> I have this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/323767
[16:13] <cpaelzer> as long as people provide good input
[16:13] <ahasenack> and I outline 3 options at the bottom
[16:13] <nacc> ahasenack: yeah i need to take a look at it
[16:13] <nacc> ahasenack: as i did the last bit of samba
[16:13] <nacc> but if you want to own samba! please do )
[16:13] <nacc> :)
[16:13] <cpaelzer> oO
[16:13] <ahasenack> let me just paste the 3 options here quickly (3 lines)
[16:13] <ahasenack> a) upload to artful, exercise there, and do the same for the zesty SRU
[16:13] <ahasenack> b) upload to artful, but for the zesty SRU, remove the fix-1584485.patch until we are happy artful's samba is fine.
[16:13] <ahasenack> c) remove patch from artful and zesty until patch author can chime in
[16:14] <ahasenack> current status is that pam_winbind is broken on zesty+
[16:14] <nacc> ahasenack: this is the static linking thing, right?
[16:14] <ahasenack> yes
[16:14] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: could you ontline in one sentence what the original patch was for?
[16:14] <cpaelzer> so everybody knows without reading through all of the bug
[16:15] <ahasenack> static linking some samba libs into pam_winbind and nss_winbind so that on package upgrades we didn't get into a situation where the running processes would dlopen new/old libraries and crash
[16:15] <cpaelzer> #link https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/323767
[16:15] <nacc> ahasenack: i would prefer a), i think, it matches what i'd expect we'd do (fix dev release and then SRU fix back)
[16:15] <ahasenack> nacc: ok, that's what the MP is doing
[16:15] <nacc> ahasenack: ack, i will try and get feedback to you today
[16:15] <cpaelzer> #info discussion on how to preceed on an issue with sambas libraries (regression-update)
[16:16] <ahasenack> thanks, my concern is leaving zesty with a broken pam_winbind for too long
[16:16] <ahasenack> since this was a regression
[16:16] <ahasenack> s/since/specially/
[16:17] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: once you encounter a stall on the process with a) you can emergency fix it in zesty
[16:17] <ahasenack> I wouldn't call it a stall just yet, but thanks :)
[16:18] <cpaelzer> ok thanks ahasenack for working on this, anything else before I leave current development release?
[16:18] <ahasenack> not from me
[16:18] <nacc> php transition is done, we're at 7.1 now
[16:18] <nacc> php7.0 has been removed
[16:18] <nacc> tomcat8 transition may have to wait for a bit, as upstreams are not yet compatbile
[16:19] <cpaelzer> upstreams not compatible means you can't start pushing in the new one while the old one is around?
[16:19] <cpaelzer> is upstream working on this - so we know this will resolve?
[16:20] <cpaelzer> #info php7.1 transition complete in artful release
[16:20] <cpaelzer> nacc: ^^ ?
[16:21] <cpaelzer> do we expect this to resolve upstream and pull then?
[16:21] <nacc> cpaelzer: yeah there is a bug open and just waiting on upstream to change their code
[16:21] <cpaelzer> ok, great
[16:21] <cpaelzer> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (slashd)
[16:21] <nacc> cpaelzer: if we migrate tomcat8 to 8.5, dogtag-pki and tomcatjss will immediately break again
[16:21] <cpaelzer> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-z-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:21] <cpaelzer> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:21] <cpaelzer> I know slashd is on a sprint, so we give him a 60 sec timeout to appear ...
[16:22] <cpaelzer> #info tomcat8->8.5 transition stalled by upstream issue (versions are not compatible)

[16:22] <cpaelzer> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)
[16:22] <cpaelzer> #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:22] <cpaelzer> powersj is out atm
[16:23] <cpaelzer> from his info mail an info
[16:23] <cpaelzer> #info All Artful server ISO tests are now running
[16:23] <cpaelzer> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:24] <cpaelzer> I pinged smb when the meeting started and he was around today, but didn't join yet
[16:24] <cpaelzer> there might be a kernel breaking somewhere else
[16:24] <ahasenack> :)
[16:24] <cpaelzer> and it is too early to start our #1 question being "what will the next kernel version be"
[16:24] <cpaelzer> anyone else soemthing for the kernel section of the log?
[16:25] <cpaelzer> going on ...
[16:25] <cpaelzer> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:25] <cpaelzer> #link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/
[16:25] <cpaelzer> Linux Plumbers Conference Deadline is closing in
[16:26] <cpaelzer> nothing else on my personal radar that touches us
[16:26] <cpaelzer> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:27] <cpaelzer> there will be a mini-sprint the rest of the week to make some of our libvirt delta upstreamable to debian/libvirt-upstrem
[16:27] <cpaelzer> to ease maintenance later on and let everyone benefit
[16:27] <nacc> nice
[16:27] <cpaelzer> any sem-public events out there that people might care?
[16:27] <cpaelzer> semi
[16:27] <cpaelzer> ok, that is a no
[16:27] <cpaelzer> #topic Open Discussion
[16:27] <cpaelzer> I have something here
[16:28] <cpaelzer> this is a wall of text, sorry, but there was already so much progress
[16:28] <cpaelzer> #info Discussion on updating the serverguide as a "bug fix"
[16:28] <cpaelzer> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2017-May/020429.html
[16:28] <cpaelzer> There is a mail thread about the discussion I kicked off, but the TL;DR is nicely in a quote of Doug Smythies
[16:28] <cpaelzer> "Procedure: For the 16.04 Ubuntu Serverguide, just tell me when you want an update publication done and I'll do it, after say about a 2 week string freeze and translation catch up window**. For the 14.04 Serverguide, it would have to be an important update, as typically, and only speaking for myself, I don't bother with the older LTS versions."
[16:28] <cpaelzer> I also saw andreas already started with a doc MP
[16:28] <cpaelzer> #link https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/serverguide/use-sasl-external-for-config-changes-973981/+merge/323786
[16:28] <cpaelzer> And a few minutes ago I saw the MP was merged
[16:28] <cpaelzer> so perfect case to encourage everyone
[16:29] <cpaelzer> we felt that those won't be updated, but the feeling was wrong
[16:29] <cpaelzer> So for the issue we had other than fixing in the package if we can, for the guide update add a bug task and provide a branch.
[16:29] <cpaelzer> Starter info for the guide is here:
[16:29] <cpaelzer> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide
[16:29] <cpaelzer> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/BuildingDocumentation
[16:29] <cpaelzer> #info feel more free before to do serverguide changes when applicable as a "bug fix".
[16:29] <cpaelzer> Any further thing to add?
[16:30] <cpaelzer> giving a few extra sec as this was a lot of text ...
[16:30] <ahasenack> :)
[16:30] <cpaelzer> Also on the thread, we were asked to also provide some doc contribution to kernel uninstall handling
[16:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+bug/1031091
[16:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1647790
[16:31] <cpaelzer> Would anyone be willing to action himself to take a look at these as well?
[16:31] <dpb1> I'd like to look
[16:31] <cpaelzer> great
[16:32] <cpaelzer> #action: dpb to look into a few open issues around automatic updates that were pointed out by the doc team
[16:32] <meetingology> ACTION: : dpb to look into a few open issues around automatic updates that were pointed out by the doc team
[16:32] <cpaelzer> anything else before I close?
[16:32] <cpaelzer> nacc: you'll be the next chair - is next week ok for you?
[16:32] <cpaelzer> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:32] <nacc> cpaelzer: yep
[16:33] <cpaelzer> #info next week meeting at the same day/time, charing will be nacc
[16:33] <cpaelzer> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:33] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May  9 16:33:45 2017 UTC.
[16:33] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-05-09-16.03.moin.txt
[16:33] <ahasenack> thanks cpaelzer


 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gQYPDMbPDt/
 @SALPHA8506, ?
 @SALPHA8506, @SALPHA8506 please explain the issue before posting random output, in order to facilitate anybody who is willing to help you (what phone, what OS, when does the issue occur.....). Thanks
 @SALPHA8506, That doesn't belong here at all
 UT with halium-boot
 Post to @ubports_porting
 no ssh access
 @SALPHA8506, after 3-4 min device reboot
[08:25] <ubptgbot> Buijten was added by: Buijten
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/5UuTu5Eq.webp
[09:32] <ubptgbot> kCglbwBwISNk5 was added by: kCglbwBwISNk5
 https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-donates-more-devices-to-ubports-to-keep-ubuntu-touch-dream-alive-522091.shtml
 [Edit] It's a great news https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-donates-more-devices-to-ubports-to-keep-ubuntu-touch-dream-alive-522091.shtml
 @Yance, yeah https://t.me/ubports_news
 Is that an old nexus 7?
 With the round edges and the silver frame?
 Ah "The year of the Nexus 7 tablets is yet to be confirmed by UBports, "
 Nexus 7 has already xenial builds and just recently installed it on mine 👍
 That's the 2013 model
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/aqIQMhFZ.png
 (this is the 2012 one)
 Yeah, I've got the 2012 N7 at the bottom of a drawer. Even with Android it is unusable. :(
 [Edit] (in picture: Nexus 7 2012)
 @alan_griffiths, why?
 It was bought as a dev target and then abandoned. After which Android got bigger and slower with each update. (As well as being nowhere near as cool as UT)
 @alan_griffiths, Same. And can't sell it either, because nobody wants them
[11:17] <ubptgbot> rubentura was added by: rubentura
 Hello! Ubports doesn't seem to recognize my device, even though "adb devices" does recognize it... TT Any help?
[11:24] <ubptgbot> LorenzoTecchio was added by: LorenzoTecchio
 What device is it?
 It is a mako/Nexus 4! Now I'm trying with my old laptop with Ubuntu, maybe 🤔🤔🤔🤔
 Ubuntu dir Galaxy A3 2016 arived?
 [Edit] Ubuntu for Galaxy A3 2016 arived?
 no
 and won't any time soon
 @vanyasem, Because? I Reeves it us beacus no posible?
[11:37] <ubptgbot> cocosushi was added by: cocosushi
 Fwd from BrisPete: We'd love to support as many devices as possible. Unfortunately porting a new device takes a long time and there are only a few of us doing the work. More developers working on porting devices would mean more devices ported. This will particularly be true when the Halium Project is successful.
 It is a smartphone foor god mo
 [Edit] It is a smartphone foor god mod
 [Edit] It is a smartphone foor good mod
 Feel free to work on porting it yourself
 @Javacookies, so is it supported right now or not?
 it was definitely supported before and I was surprised there are now xenial builds so I guess it's back to being supported
 @Javacookies, https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-donates-more-devices-to-ubports-to-keep-ubuntu-touch-dream-alive-522091.shtml
 @rubentura, you might need to run with admin privs in windows
 @dohbee, Tried it, but still didn't work.  Trying from the windows OS, on the laptop still, which I used to mod N4 in, and if it doesn't work I'll try later on with something else :/
 @rubentura, ok, please join @WelcomePlus for more help with install issues.
 @dohbee, Ok! Thanks!
 I am noticing that the Nexus 5 camera in “selfie mode“ it doesn't work all the time. Its very intermittent. Does anyone knows if this was already reported ? I am looking for the issue
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/xz8rQVha.png
 @rubentura, It is working, with the laptop windows 7! 😂
[12:18] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> Might be a redundant question (i.e. someone's already asked it..), but: what is the smallest device UT is running on? Nexus 4?
 @vanyasem, yeah it's amazing the news that comes in the News Channel if one subscribes, rolling on the floor laughing
 @dohbee, same :(
 i can take yours if you pay me $50 extra
 shipping is on you also
 @vanyasem, just put your dollars in the box of the tablet and ship it
 oh wait
 ha
 @vanyasem, that's not how selling works, is it
 What are you guys selling if I may ask?
 @vanyasem, That's a nice logo
 @vanyasem, I need an RSS version of this
 @PhoenixLandPirate, that was 'michele' i believe...
 There are telegram bots which can create an rss feed of a channel. (Like this one https://github.com/MasterGroosha/telegram-rss-generation)
 [Edit] There are telegram bots which can create an rss feed of a channel. (Like this one https://github.com/MasterGroosha/telegram-rss-generation )
 @PhoenixLandPirate, This was the person: @mymike00
 new regex for new type of spammers
 @JBBgameich, that.... is actually a pretty cool idea.. Maybe.  Or... we could just use Telegram???  That's like Telegram to email feature or something.  haha.. or maybe I don't understand
 @JBBgameich, That's really cool!
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/jjnyJMZM.png It means that I can read the messages sent via news, next to my other Linux news.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, do you have any GNU news in there as well?
 or is it plain Linux news?
 @vanyasem, Its mostly UbuntuBSD at the moment.
 ok probably this is Off Topic...
 3 admins having an off-top conversation in a middle of the day. that's.. interesting :P yeah, let's continue in @ubports_ot
 Hi guys
 Is possible ubuntu touch x86 devices?
 oh oh! on topic question!
 @Eds_Mat, yeah, someone from @halium ported to an intel device
 it was Ilya iirc
 I think the question is more "do you have an ISO image for my laptop"
 Which we do not yet. Simon's work to get Mir and Unity8 in Debian will help make that possible.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Thanks!
[13:44] <ubptgbot> pirgon was added by: pirgon
[15:05] <ubptgbot> Carlos was added by: Carlos
 @UniversalSuperBox, No it us impossibile
 @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] No it is impossibile
 @LorenzoTecchio, It's possible, but not yet
 Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu touch on my Nexus 5 and I can not. I did it with ubports but download and then it stays a long time in flash image and nothing happens and I do not know how to do it and what version works well in nexus 5
 @Carlos, Have patience. That step can take some time.
 BTW this is not the best channel for help with install issues. Please join @WelcomePlus if you need more help.
 yes this is not an install channel, please no install stuff here.
 @wayneoutthere, I didn't realize ubports was run by Vogons
 @dohbee, 👍
 @dohbee, lol, I have one too
[17:20] <ubptgbot> sangram_chavan was added by: sangram_chavan
 Hi Supergroup, thanks so much for the latest update. 👏👏👏Every time my phone gets an update is like breathing fresh air. … It reminds me the project ia alive and that is improving bit by bit.  … Like Canonical good old days.
 @gab11010, what phone tho
 @PhoenixLandPirate, seconded
 btw just curious which canonical devices are on halium?
 none of the supported devices are running on halium yet, afaik
 or rather, the supported images aren't based on halium yet. i think there are halium builds for them, but there are some issues still which prevent UT running on top of halium
 ah i see, i remember seeing a tweet about nexus 5 running on halium guess there's still a lot to do on that end
 if understand it correctly tho if those issues are solved it should make keep them up to date easier?
 not sure what you mean by that. but it should be much easier to add new devices once it's all working
 i guess caf is still an issue though
 @gab11010, That's what I feel when I looked at the website and the news
 the famous caf eh?
 Thanks for the encouragement.  many are working very hard
[18:50] <ubptgbot> Sultan Muhammad was added by: Sultan Muhammad
 can I just share how much I love the new terminal?
 (Photo, 1920x1200) https://irc.ubports.com/2euR8qtF.png
 look at that beauty 😍
 I want it on all my computers tbh
 yeah, I tried to use it as my main terminal before but it wasn't ready that time, maybe now?
 @Javacookies you need to practice more your screenshot skills. Pressing up&down vol at the same time is tricky 😆
 @UniversalSuperBox, i do once all the weird input issues with it get fixed
 @Javacookies, But I cant find it in the supported devide list...
 that was the fault of the busted volume keys on my Nexus 7 😝
 @mymike00, Flo is working, deb needs some time to decide
 now back on my Nexus 5, it's hard to type on Nexus 7 LOL
 was deb suppprted before? I thought it wasn't really even before
 @dohniks is the only person I know of with a Deb and we're trying to do remote troubleshooting through an issue and it's just no fun
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks, should I reporta bug for flo missing at devices.ubuntu-touch.io ?
 @Javacookies, It's not super clear tbh
 @mymike00, Probably
 👍🏻
 @UniversalSuperBox, do you know whether there is a deb in the canonical donation?
 based on my experience though, Nexus 7 doesn't feel smooth on xenial like Nexus 5...well that could be just the weaker hardware and tablet more surface to render
 @dohniks, there likely is not, as deb was never an officially supported model
 @Javacookies, aren't they both 1920x1080 though?
 "never"? but canonical published images for it ...
 or is the 2013 nexus 7 still 720p?
 @dohniks, There is not as far as I know
 @dohniks, nope. only for flo. the old pre-ubports hoster of alternate images did have deb builds though
 but, iirc, they might have just been copies of the flow images into the 'deb' directory
 yeah you are right, but different scaling I guess...don't mind my out of this world assumption 😝
 It's not entirely clear whether they're 2012 or 2013 either
 ohhh. it's from ... whatshisname the multirom guy!
 @dohniks, yes
 @UniversalSuperBox, if there's a bunch of Galaxy Nexus phones along with, probably mostly 2012s
 ubports isn't *building* the flo kernel or are we?
 we are
 just reusing an old kernel binary ?!
 ha. ok
 we have to build the kernel, for the ubuntu specific patches
 which is why devices that don't have kernel sources, can't have ports
 hmmm
 so I have multirom on my Nexus 5, that means I don't use custom UT kernel?
 well, we *have* a deb kernel without *building* it today
 someone did it in the past and the binary still exists and still works
 well sure
 so, are we *today* in a position to rebuild flo kernel?
 you don't have to rebuild it daily with the rootfs. but if it's just using an old build, maybe it needs updated
 We're reusing the Android build at least
 I'm not sure about the kernel, but we're probably reusing it as well
 when I last looked (long time ago, was hoping to reuse flo stuff to rebuild deb) I couldn't find it.
 ..- -... .--. --- .-. - ...   .-. --- -.-. -.- ...
 Who knows morse code?
 i know off topic
 I need to learn it
 Can you help me?
 it is off topic. we have @ubports_ot for off topic discussions
[19:30] <ubptgbot> Spleephy was added by: Spleephy
 Hello everyone : ) I would know if Ubuntu Touch is availible on Polaroid Pro Series x64 ( https://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/tablettes-tactiles-ebooks/tablette-pro-series-10-1-polaroid-midw245p-133/f-10798-midw245p133.html) … Thank's : )
 It is not
 Tho 😢
 Do you know anyone other win I can install ? ;'(
 [Edit] Do you know anyone other than  win I can install ? ;'(
 Oh, Windows. You could try any Linux distribution for general hardware I think.
 they will support touchscreen for a debian based for exemple ? : o
 Maybe,
 [Edit] Maybe?
 I'll try x')
 I'm no expert on that. You might want to try one of their support channels
 ok, thanks : )
 No problem. Have fun!
 🙏
 Qué compraste?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Not by Canonical. Nor was bacon.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I use it on all my computers :D
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/PwvpAIMG.png
 @mariogrip, what do you do when navigation key input borks?
 @dohbee, huh? not have any problems with it tbh
 If nothing else, `ctrl+D, ctrl+alt+T`
 @mariogrip, it constantly ends up with arrow keys, home, end, etc… not working for me, in my VM
 @dohbee, humm, i dunno, but it have just worked for me.
 @dohbee, was that an u8 wm?
 since mir is not the nicest to use in a wm
 @mariogrip, yeah, i've not tried the app outside unity8
 well any wayland thingy does not really work in a wm
 mir works pretty much fine there. just annoying that i can't change the resolution
 Marius... Virtual starts with a W. :P
 last time i tired it had some vierd mouse issues, but was the same issue with mutter so
 @UniversalSuperBox, lol
 @UniversalSuperBox, no
 Wait... Now you got me doing it!
 Aaaaah!
 @UniversalSuperBox, where are your nuclear wessels
 wm is much cooler then vm so :P
 eh the mouse is a bit weird for some reason, but not sure if that's a bug in qemu or mir/unity8 with the cursor weirdness it has
 but it doesn't do crazy software cursor stuff for keyboard. it should just be going through libinput to the app
 anyway. 🤷♀
 @dohbee, happens for me if i use any wayland/mir things tbh. x11 works perfectly
 @mariogrip, (in a vm)
 @mariogrip, windows has some similar oddities with cursor. i think there have been some fixes for it in libvirt or qemu, but not sure if in a newer version than is in 18.04 or not. but i think that's more specifically just due to the fact that they're doing more cursor handling directly
 alas
 right, x11 probobly has a driver just for vm's
 I will leave the group for a few days, I will be back soon💪💪
 @mariogrip, well, x11 is also designed as a network transport, so probably some room in there for slowness, which doesn't exist in fully local compositing, too. but yeah, not sure what the exact deal is with the cursor
 Hello
 How can I install ubuntu touch in my tv box mx9?
 Does anyone know?
 you cannot
 it is not a supported device
 Bad
 How sad
 Thanks
 android based devices require specific ports to be built
 Ok
 also, support for a TV interface was never really done, so it'd likely be quite odd to use on a tv device
 Yes
 it would be great if we could just build one image that worked on all android devices, but alas, that is impossible
 Unfortunately
 Whatsup also only works as a webapp
 Doesn´t it?
 Whatsapp and the great majoriry of the apps of Android
 The most popular ones
 whatsapp only works on android/ios. the web version only works while such a device is actively connected
 well yes, many apps are only on android
 but that has nothing to do with UT
 if you want UT versions of those apps, feel free to ask the developers of those apps to provide UT versions
 Ok
 I could be interested in a nexus 7 if ut works well on it...
[21:40] <ubptgbot> imparker was added by: imparker
 Hello everyone!
 what sms app is avaliable for ubports?
 would signal work on it?
 Yes, TextSecure / Signal is available in the OpenStore
 For SMS, we have an app built in
 https://open-store.io/app/textsecure.nanuc
[21:47] <ubptgbot> wad rad was added by: wad rad
 wonderful!
 and is firefox on there too?
 there's not a touch friendly version of firefox built for UT no
 the traditional version is usable within libertine though as a legacy application
 (which is only sensible to do if you connect to an external display)
 Perople are so funny. To whomever it may concern, please read my answer about free speech and then understand that moderation is not censorship but our free expression of opinion: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1489/off-topic
 I moderate a channel. Free speech is important but if you join the channel and start posting ads and porn 4 seconds after joining you're getting banned.
 Do any of you have a link where I could get a meizu pro 5?
 @Flohack, looks in moderation history
 Oh, he posted a couple links without context which were deleted. I wonder if that's what he's on about?
 hmm
 maybe. Was it in OT?
 On the forum
 in the OT forum I mean
 Yes, but our moderators are highly tuned to possible spam posts
 The forum gets a surprising amount of spam
 hmm clear
 As I said, we are not obliged to publish everything what people want, even in OT.  Would this be compatable?
 It is not
 because note?
 It's not the same device
 It's not the same family of device, either
 darn, alright
 But in the Android world, every device is different. Even ones with identical specifications could have wildly different drivers and software required to make them work.
 understood. I just wish I could find where to buy one
 Would this be the right one? … https://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_259930.html
 sorry for spamming the channel
 I want to say it looks right, but I don't know if 4G is right
 You are looking for pro5 only?
 @imparker, just make sure you dont by the chinise version, thats locked down alot
 the global version works fine, that's what my pro5 is
 @dohbee, Yeah. Based on the chart on your site it this seems like the highest end supported.
 for speed it would go for oneplus one, it feels alot smoother and faster
 pro5 has an amazing camera though
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Meizu-MX4-Pro-Gray-LTE-4G-Octa-Core-20-7MP-RAM-3GB-ROM-16GB-Mobile-Phone/323354629286?hash=item4b497014a6:g:0u0AAOSwkcFbEuKA
 The MX4 Pro is not the same as the MX4
 oneplus one also has better ram speed, even though it has a lower cpu clock it feels faster
 darnet I'm not having a good time here.
 Okay. I emailed Meizu and I'll see what they have to say. Thakn you @mariogrip, I'll keep that in mind in case meizu doesn't pull through
 I'm still gunning for the pro 5 because USB C
 also the simplest to get is probobly nexus 5, they are eveywhere on ebay
 @imparker, right, but keep in mind it's still usb 2 so its pretty much the same exept the port itself
[22:23] <ubptgbot> Boom_boom_boom_boom_boom was added by: Boom_boom_boom_boom_boom
 @mariogrip, Its possible, but really hard, I have the Chinese one


[00:11] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: done.
[01:59] <bluesabre> thanks knome
[09:15] <ochosi> bluesabre, Unit193: folks, parole and xfpm dailies are still failing in -staging, could one of you two take a look at that?
[09:17] <Noskcaj> ochosi, I'll have a look
[09:17] <ochosi> ah, thanks Noskcaj!
[09:17] <ochosi> not sure why i forgot to ping you there :)
[09:28] <Noskcaj> I don't have time to look into it tonight, but you just need the .m4 macrosto be there i think
[09:28] <Noskcaj> or a b-dep that gives them
[09:28] <Noskcaj> (for parole)
[09:28] <ochosi> sorry, to me that just sounds like jibberish :)
[09:29] <ochosi> i never really looked into packaging much, and i'll better leave that to others who know what they're doing
[09:30] <Noskcaj> The first bit at least isC libs gibberish
[09:30] <Noskcaj> *is C
[09:36] <Noskcaj> And the xfpm ftbfs looks more code related too
[10:36] <bluesabre> morning folks
[10:46] <elfy> hi bluesabre
[10:50] <bluesabre> hey elfy, what's up?
[10:51] <elfy> lunchtime :)
[10:52] <elfy> bluesabre: got some more upower related upgrades today - not noticed anything untoward
[10:53] <elfy> though clementine and the way it looks went odd (qt) had to get qtconfig - not sure if that's related to anything in the ppa
[10:53] <elfy> if it IS then people will see the same I guess
[10:53] <elfy> hi ToZ :)
[10:57] <ToZ> hi elfy
[11:11] <bluesabre> that shouldn't be related to upower at all, so probably just regular odd updates
[11:12] <elfy> yea - was my thought
[11:13] <elfy> so glad I don't do things on the wiki much ... slower than treacle
[11:15] <bluesabre> yeah, the wiki is awful
[13:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: fixed parole
[15:23] <ali1234> can anyone tell me the filesize of xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso in bytes?
[15:32] <elfy> ali1234: wc -c reports 957349888 xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:33] <ali1234> hmm
[15:35] <ali1234> weird, my usb stick doesn't match
[15:35] <ali1234> it's probably a beta, will download it again
[15:35] <ali1234> thanks
[15:37] <elfy> or possibly mine is odd
[15:38] <elfy> I don't think so though
[16:39] <Unit193> Ah, daily breakage.
[20:56] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Looking at the xfpm build issue, what happened to the xfpm-dbus-marshal files?
[20:57] <Noskcaj> they're in as includes and in the makefile, but don't actually exist
[21:11] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Created by --enable-maintainer-mode.
[21:34] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:34] <Noskcaj> thanks
[21:39] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Just realised you have the packaging branch. Could you fix this?
[21:58] <Unit193> Bit busy right now, and last I knew it actually worked. :/
[22:00] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:00] <Noskcaj> It seems the libs aren't building either
[22:07] <bluesabre> it's cheating, but this works reliably for parole daily builds, might work for xfpm as well https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/parole/parole-gtk3-debian/view/head:/debian/rules
[22:08] <bluesabre> instead of using xdg-autogen, use autogen.sh, and append --enable-maintainer-mode to dh_auto_configure as well
[22:21] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, same issue. usr/libs isn't created
[22:23] <Noskcaj> I'll look at it again later, but now i have to make my stupid gaming pc work again
[22:24] <bluesabre> good luck


[01:24] <astrodon> Anyone know what the deal is with low-latency kernel?
[01:25] <astrodon> Will it keep up with the regular kernel updates?
[09:15] <_raven> hi
[09:15] <_raven> do you know about any jingle player/cartwall? which tool would be nice?
[10:24] <_raven> anyone here?
[10:27] <tyche> Sure, there's people here.  That doesn't necessarily mean that we know the answer to your question.
[10:41] <_raven> tyche i just need any midi sampler, which i easily can drag sounds on and which plays theese sounds by midi keyboard or by function keys
[11:57] <ailo> _raven: If you need a drum sampler, try hydrogen
[11:57] <ailo> Then there's specimen, and petri-foo
[11:58] <ailo> linux-sampler is a full fledged sampler, which you can get with one of the kxstudio PPA's
[11:58] <ailo> I sometimes have problems with its' frontend, qsampler though
[11:59] <ailo> I hear Rui, who coded qtractor and qjackctl is working on a simple sampler instrument too
[11:59] <ailo> That should be worth the wait
[12:00] <ailo> I'm working on a sampler for puredata, which I will publish sometime this summer
[12:14] <_raven> ailo ok tnx for the hint
[15:47] <lamalex> hey guys, anyone know if presonus firestudio works?
[17:58] <MaynardWaters> hey guys, I was trying to work with python bindings for PortAudio, and I ran into some trouble
[18:00] <MaynardWaters> http://pastebin.com/1wwpJrtF
[18:00] <MaynardWaters> any help is welcomed
[18:00] <MaynardWaters> brb
[18:34] <MaynardWaters> figured it out, simple uninstall and reinstall appears to have worked.
[19:18] <_eein> hello, does anyone have an m-audio 1010lt working under studio 12.04?
[19:18] <_eein> im on  a live boot and not sure if i should just remove PA and use ALSA?
[19:45] <len-dt> _eein, The m-audio envy24 cards should work just fine
[19:46] <_eein> len-dt, it works but i dont see how to select outputs or inputs
[19:46] <len-dt> _eein, I use the D66 and it worked for me
[19:47] <len-dt> Use mudita24
[19:47] <_eein> i was i see nothing in that to choose the default out for audio
[19:47] <len-dt> It will give you a nice mixer app. You can select in/out with jack but pulse tends to just use the first two
[19:48] <len-dt> Do you have internal sound as well?
[19:48] <_eein> len-dt, which is what i dont want, i dont want the first two.  internal is diwsabled in BIOS
[19:49] <_eein> also how would you pick which inputs record on?
[19:49] <len-dt> If you start jack, pulse will show jack sink with all the outputs
[19:49] <len-dt> to record use jack.
[19:49] <len-dt> There is qjackctl in the audio production menu
[19:50] <_eein> 19:50:21.274 D-BUS: JACK server could not be started. Sorry
[19:50] <_eein> Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
[19:50] <_eein> Cannot connect to server socket
[19:50] <_eein> jack server is not running or cannot be started
[19:50] <len-dt> When you start jack from there, you should be able to see all your inputs with the connect button
[19:51] <len-dt> Have you tried clicking the start button anyway?
[19:51] <_eein> yes thats the error
[19:51] <len-dt> How have you got it set up?
[19:52] <_eein> its at default setup
[19:53] <len-dt> open the setup and at the interface click on the ">"
[19:54] <len-dt> you should see one at least that says M-Audio
[19:58] <_eein> yes hw:0 and hw:0,0 ice1712
[19:59] <_eein> len-dt, switched interface from default to hw:0 still errors when starting
[19:59] <_eein> Fri Jun 29 19:59:23 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : Cannot allocate memory[0m
[19:59] <_eein> Fri Jun 29 19:59:23 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Audio device hw:0 cannot be acquired...[0m
[19:59] <_eein> Fri Jun 29 19:59:23 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Cannot initialize driver[0m
[19:59] <_eein> Fri Jun 29 19:59:23 2012: [1m[31mERROR: JackServer::Open() failed with -1[0m
[19:59] <_eein> Fri Jun 29 19:59:23 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to open server[0m
[19:59] <_eein> Fri Jun 29 19:59:25 2012: Saving settings to "/home/ubuntu-studio/.config/jack/conf.xml" ...
[20:01] <len-dt> _eein, Hmm, I have never had that problem.. however, it may be help ful to turn it off in pulse.
[20:01] <len-dt> At the top of the screen there is a little "speaker" icon
[20:01] <len-dt> If you click on that and select sound settings, pavucontrol will open
[20:02] <len-dt> The last tab on the right  should show your ice card and allow you to select off.
[20:03] <_eein> yes in it
[20:03] <len-dt> Then try again with jack.
[20:04] <_eein> which tab? i got mute set as fallback
[20:05] <_eein> and lock channels
[20:05] <len-dt> The configuration tab
[20:05] <_eein> ahh nm the drop down
[20:05] <len-dt> Mine says ice1712
[20:06] <len-dt> You can set the profile to "off"
[20:07] <_eein> len-dt, same errors
[20:07] <_eein> http://pastebin.com/sTm8LdxL
[20:07] <len-dt> Ok, one more try that I can think of... open a terminal
[20:08] <_eein> at one
[20:09] <len-dt> I should have said quit qjackctl
[20:09] <len-dt> then restart it as root: sudo qjackctl
[20:09] <_eein> :-) doh yeah that works
[20:10] <len-dt> Hmm thats bad.
[20:10] <len-dt> It should not require root priv.
[20:10] <len-dt> I have never had that on the live dvd.
[20:10] <len-dt> did you create a new acount?
[20:11] <_eein> no
[20:12] <_eein> but ive been messing around, letme restart
[20:18] <_eein> len-dt, ok brand new seup
[20:18] <arges> hello. Is there an easy way to get the current XRUN count for jack via the command line?
[20:21] <len-dt> _eein, your user should be in the audio group and the file /etc/security/limit.d/audio.conf should exist.
[20:21] <_eein> cat: /etc/security/limit.d/audio.conf: No such file or directory
[20:22] <len-dt> _eein, is it called audio.conf.disabled by chance?
[20:22] <_eein> /etc/security/limits.d$ ls
[20:22] <_eein> audio.conf
[20:22]  * _eein shrugs well its there
[20:23] <len-dt> Does jack work this time?]
[20:23] <_eein> yes
[20:23] <len-dt> arges, there are a lot of jack_* utils. I don't know if one of them would help or not.
[20:23] <arges> len-dt, yea i've been going through those
[20:24] <len-dt> _eein,  I wonder what happened last time
[20:24] <_eein> len-dt, but in the patchbay there are no devices to add
[20:24]  * _eein shrugs
[20:24] <len-dt> arges, the only one I have used is jack_control.
[20:24] <len-dt> _eein, Not patchbay
[20:24] <len-dt> Conections
[20:25] <_eein> ok in Connect there is nothing either except under MIDI
[20:25] <_eein> err rather the ALSA tab
[20:25] <len-dt> _eein, Then jack is not running yet
[20:26] <_eein> ok i refreshed and it populated
[20:26] <len-dt> _eein, click the triangle next to system]
[20:26] <_eein> but its setup as a surround dound
[20:27] <len-dt> You should see your inputs... not in pulse. Pulse thinks suround
[20:28] <len-dt> If you start a recorder it should show up in jack
[20:28] <_eein> http://imagebin.org/218911
[20:29] <len-dt> Ya, that is just the pulse/jack bridge, it can safely be ignored
[20:29] <len-dt> What program do you want to record with? Ustudio comes with audacity and ardour
[20:32] <len-dt> _eein, if you want to get pulse out of the way you can do a "Disconnect all"
[20:32] <_eein> ok i have my dj mixer outputing music and going into the 3/4 inputs on my card i opened audacity and pressed record and the progress bar is stuck at 0 and no signal
[20:33] <len-dt> _eein, Do you see audacity on the jack audio connect pannel?
[20:34] <len-dt> In audacity _eein you will need to go edit->preferences and change host to jack
[20:34] <_eein> error while opening sound device please check the input device settings and the project sample rate
[20:36] <_eein> len-dt,
[20:36] <len-dt> When did you get that? Audacity will not open the input sound device till you hit record.
[20:36] <_eein> http://imagebin.org/218912
[20:36] <_eein> when i hit record i get that
[20:37] <len-dt> Did you get that from jack or audacity?
[20:38] <_eein> audacity
[20:38] <len-dt> To set levels in audacity, I normally hit pause first then record.
[20:38] <_eein> same error
[20:38] <len-dt> I don't but then I am running the installed version not the live dvd.
[20:39] <len-dt> Are you running from a dvd or a USB stick?
[20:40] <_eein> usb
[20:40] <len-dt> USB normally works better, that is how I did all my testing.
[20:40] <_eein> is my playback and recording settigns for audacity suppose to be PulseAudio JACK sink or system?
[20:41] <_eein> yeah i dont even buy optical media anymore
[20:41] <len-dt> In the connect panel, audacity will show a portaudio
[20:41] <len-dt> In may case it is already conected to capture 1 and 2
[20:41] <len-dt> (under system)
[20:42] <len-dt> I must have something plugged into chanel one because I see noise in the left channel of audacity.
[20:43] <_eein> what connect panel?
[20:43]  * len-dt finds a guitar plaugged in
[20:43] <len-dt> The jack connect pannel
[20:43] <ailo> lamalex: http://ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=Presonus&filter1=&op2=OR
[20:43] <ailo> lamalex: Some devices may work, even if they aren't listed. Partially, or otherwise
[20:44] <ailo> lamalex: I recommend contacting the ffado devs, if you are unsure
[20:44] <ailo> I mean, on their user mail list for instance
[20:44] <_eein> len-dt, my JACK connect panel hasnt changed after opening audacity from the pic i linked
[20:44] <ailo> lamalex: Ah, sorry. Looks like it says not supported :(
[20:44] <ailo> lamalex: So, that would probably mean no
[20:45] <lamalex> yah, i found that earlier- thanks though
[20:45] <len-dt> It will only show if you are in record mode... which is not working for you :(
[20:45] <_eein> what do you have set in devices for audacity
[20:45] <ailo> lamalex: You already have that device?
[20:45] <lamalex> no not yet
[20:45] <lamalex> but i think after today's research im just going to ditch recording on linux and use logic pro.
[20:46] <ailo> lamalex: I have a focusrite pro 40. Works really well.
[20:47] <len-dt> _eein, where in audacity do you find devices?
[20:47] <_eein> preferences
[20:47] <ailo> lamalex: Oh yeah :)? Well, I'm sure you can do without it to some degree, but you'll probably miss all the fancy instruments
[20:47] <len-dt> I just have system
[20:47] <lamalex> ailo, hm?
[20:47] <lamalex> my guitar is sort of platform agnostic :p
[20:48] <ailo> lamalex: I mean, you can do recording and midi sequencing quite well on Linux based systems. You can even use vst plugins on some systems. But you won't be able to use software instruments like those available to Logic Pro
[20:48] <len-dt> _eein, I have system on both record and playback
[20:49] <ailo> Anyway, there's also the matter of what is free and not
[20:49] <ailo> If that is an issue
[20:49] <lamalex> ailo, yar, i'm just doing recording anyway. i dont have a lot of interest in midi sequencing and such
[20:49] <_eein> len-dt, i got it to record without recording anything  see screenshot http://imagebin.org/218913
[20:50] <ailo> lamalex: Then I recommend you try out Ardour. It works on Mac as well. It isn't as fancy looking as Logic Pro, but it's a real recording/mixing system. Soon to be released: Ardour 3.
[20:50] <ailo> Ardour3 Beta is available
[20:50] <lamalex> ailo, yah i own a copy of mixbus actually
[20:50] <ailo> Aha. Yeah, I just got it myself earileri
[20:50] <ailo> earlier..
[20:51] <ailo> lamalex: So, what's stopping you from using Linux?
[20:51] <len-dt> _eein, the only problem is that you are trying to record from pulse audio, you want to record from system
[20:51] <lamalex> well i lost my board which i was using for its pres and then running the directs to a delta 1010 card into mixbux. this was fine, but i lost my board- so i'd need a new one or a digital interface
[20:52] <ailo> lamalex: There's one usb device which seems to work really well..
[20:52] <lamalex> yah but then you've got to worry about USB synchonicity and stuff
[20:52] <lamalex> firewire is just better suited to handle audio data
[20:52] <_eein> len-dt, ok i switched it back to system and relaunched audacity  see screenshot http://imagebin.org/218914
[20:52] <ailo> lamalex: If you prefer firewire, you have more choices I would say
[20:53] <lamalex> i mean the work arounds are ok but the other advantage to FW is daisychainging
[20:53] <_eein> len-dt, still dont get any audio waveform in audacity
[20:53] <lamalex> so when i need more pre's i can just daisy chain instead of having to get a who new usb card to keep my two interfaces off of the same IRQ and getting dropouts :P
[20:53]  * lamalex wishes he could just afford 2" tape..
[20:53] <_eein> len-dt, i have 3/4 input all the way up in envy24
[20:53] <ailo> lamalex: daisychaining should work, if you sync the cards with spdif. I have got no other confirmation on having successful daisychaining
[20:54] <ailo> lamalex: On Linux, I mean
[20:54] <len-dt> _eein, maybe you should connect your port audio 34 to capture 3/4 too
[20:54] <ailo> lamalex: That was a major reason for me choosing focusrite 40 Pro, so that I could expand it with ADAT, if nothing else worked
[20:54] <len-dt> _eein, your picture shows port audio connected to 1 and 2
[20:55] <ailo> lamalex: Firewire works really well on Linux, as long as you don't have hardware issues with irq's and stuff, which you already seem to be aware of.
[20:55] <_eein> len-dt, yeah ok still no change
[20:55] <len-dt> _eein, click on port audio in_3 and capture_1 then the disconnect button
[20:56] <ailo> lamalex: Latecnies down to under 1ms within the system, if you're lucky
[20:57] <len-dt> _eein, in mudta24 in monitor inputs do you see any level?
[20:57] <_eein> len-dt, no
[20:57] <_eein> len-dt, yeah i disconnected the 1/2 as well
[20:57] <_eein> len-dt, http://imagebin.org/218915
[20:57] <len-dt> _eein, mudita 24 in analogue volume are the adcs turned up?
[20:58] <_eein> not sure why they say off
[20:59] <_eein> doh i had 3/4 DAC not ADC on
[20:59]  * _eein face palm
[20:59] <len-dt> _eein, I learned that way too
[20:59] <ailo> _eein: That's how I started out on Linux too :)
[20:59] <ailo> _eein: With the same kind of device
[21:00] <_eein> its a lesson in humility
[21:00] <ailo> _eein: I explain a bit about this here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[21:00] <_eein> thanks for all the help
[21:00] <ailo> It's an  intro to audio on Ubuntu Studio
[21:00] <len-dt> _eein, no problen
[21:01] <_eein> len-dt, it doesnt look like there is a way to bond ADC 3/4 together is there in envy24?
[21:01] <len-dt> Do you mean levels?
[21:02] <ailo> _eein: Nope. You need to set them individually
[21:02] <len-dt> _eein, they do have a number at the bottom so you can make them the same
[21:02] <ailo> _eein: Select it and use your keyboard up and down keys to set it exactly
[21:03] <_eein> yeah i have them set the same just was hoping i could bond them
[21:04] <len-dt> _eein, once you have set them they are generally left at the same setting anyway.
[21:05] <len-dt> _eein, unless you try recording with pulse... pulse may change them for you :(
[21:05] <ailo> I don't think it can, can it?
[21:06] <ailo> Only on some devices
[21:06] <len-dt> Not sure about the ice, but it does with my HDA
[21:06] <_eein> hmmm if i stop the recording and press again it switches the PortAudio in JACK conenctions
[21:06] <ailo> Where the hardware and software level is the same
[21:06] <_eein> so now the PortAudio is 5/6 then 7/8
[21:07] <_eein> not really sure what PortAudio means in JACK Connections
[21:07] <len-dt> _eein, That is audacity. I think most people use ardour for anything more complex than recording once.
[21:07] <len-dt> _eein, portaudio is the interface library audacity uses to connect to jack
[21:08] <_eein> yeah reading....but it also defaulted to Capture 1 & 2 how do i keep 3 & 4
[21:09] <len-dt> _eein, so when recording the sound goes IF->alsa->jack->portaudio->audacity.
[21:09] <ailo> _eein: Audacity uses some portaudio in it's own audio engine. Not related to jack
[21:09] <ailo> No, the portaudio ports should be the Audacity inputs and outputs
[21:10] <_eein> yeah but it defaults to the wrong inputs
[21:10] <_eein> once i stop recording and record again the PortAudios match to Connect_1 and Connect_2
[21:10] <ailo> _eein: You need to set up a patchbay profile
[21:10] <_eein> rather Capture_1 Capture_2
[21:10] <ailo> _eein: I assume you are using qjackctl
[21:11] <_eein> yes
[21:12] <ailo> _eein: Since Audacity is not being connected all the time, you need to have it running while you create the profile
[21:12] <ailo> So, make sure you are playing a long file
[21:12] <lamalex> ailo, dang this focusrite 40 has phantom on every channel + pads? very nice. this honestly looks like the nicest interface ive seen so far
[21:13] <ailo> lamalex: The preamps probably aren't the best in the world, but that was not a concern of mine. There should be similar firepods too
[21:13] <ailo> lamalex: I did feel the focusrite had the specs and the price range I was looking for
[21:14] <len-dt> ailo, I think he is more interested in recording, pause then record.
[21:14] <ailo> len-dt: I understand, but he wants to maintain the connection he chooses
[21:14] <ailo> And for that he needs to set up a profile in patchbay
[21:14] <len-dt> ailo, yup
[21:14] <ailo> Each time you start any application that has connections set in the profile, they will connect the same way each time
[21:15] <lamalex> ailo, what's not so good about them? are they noisy?
[21:15] <lamalex> soundonsound seems to think they're nicer than the m-audio ones at least
[21:16] <ailo> lamalex: Nope. They are fine. I don't think you can find better preamps in that price range
[21:16] <ailo> The gain is a bit low on the mic pre's but no noise
[21:17] <ailo> _eein: What you do is you click "add" for each input and output you want to have presistent connections for
[21:17] <lamalex> soundonsound claims higher gain than the m-audio 2626, so maybe low gain is just a problem for this price range in general :P
[21:18] <ailo> lamalex: Could be. The gain was a bit lower than I was used to on mixer boards anyway
[21:18] <lamalex> ah yah i can imagine that being the case
[21:18] <ailo> Having to turn up a bit over half for vocals, which would be half normally
[21:18] <lamalex> sounds like you still had ample headroom though
[21:18] <lamalex> does jack work well with routing on this?
[21:19] <ailo> lamalex: jack is the only thing you can use with it. As for routing, jack is king
[21:19] <ailo> Since you can connect any app to any app, etc
[21:19] <lamalex> indeed, i guess i was trying to compare it's windows based routing software vs jack
[21:19] <ailo> lamalex: Oh. The internal routing is done with ffado-mixer
[21:20] <lamalex> ahh ok
[21:20] <lamalex> so does /that/ work well here
[21:20] <ailo> lamalex: It's a generic firewire mixer for ffado devices. It had a bug for focusrite a while back, and I don't know on the back of my hand when they solved it, but it should work pretty well now
[21:21] <ailo> I actually muted all inputs and outputs during a live session when using ffado-mixer half a year ago. Needed to reset with a mac later
[21:21] <ailo> That problem should have gone away, if not with current Ubuntu Studio, then at least with the next upcoming release
[21:22] <ailo> Been a while since I used it. I keep all inputs and outputs just as ins and outs. No monitoring. I do all of that with software
[21:22] <ailo> Otherwise, the internal mixer is quite usable
[21:24] <ailo> _eein: I just noticed you could do this: Start audacity. Make the connections you want. Go to patchbay while Audacity is running. Click "New"
[21:24] <ailo> _eein: That should create a routing scheme with all the connections you are currently using
[21:24] <ailo> _eein: And all you need to do after that is keep that profile active, to have persistent connections
[21:27] <ailo> lamalex: I do know the ffado people solved the bug earlier this year. The only matter is whether that version of ffado was included with Ubuntu Studio 12.04, or will be on next release (which is for sure it will be)


[12:16] <Keybuk> hihi
[09:25] <razialx> hello, i was hoping someone would be able to help me with an upstart question i had
[09:26] <razialx> i will return later I suppose, thanks though :) (realized it was quitting time)
[09:27] <ion_> Theres no such thing.


[01:22] <Takyoji> I certainly have to admit the Ubuntu Software Center is a less responsive/quick.
[01:22] <Takyoji> (or at least on older systems)
[01:25] <Takyoji> Seems to freeze a bit
[01:41] <Takyoji> Oh this poor user. xP
[01:42] <Takyoji> I had to run chkdsk so that Windows XP would be able to boot properly (without BSoDing). She also wanted to have Ubuntu installed as well
[01:43] <Takyoji> Ubuntu 10.04 booted to a fully functional environment in 25 seconds (auto-login). Windows XP took 1 minute 40 seconds for the desktop to fully render.
[01:43] <Takyoji> And is past 7 minutes yet for still loading everything yet.
[01:44] <Takyoji> 8 minutes
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> ha, aweseom
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> Eeep.  The Australian LoCo apparently has dissolved -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>They used to be one of the strongest teams.
[03:14] <Takyoji> Egad
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> For anyone who cares ( h00k ), my attempt at a translation of "Lucid Lynx" to Ojibwe is "nibwaakaa bizhiw".  Literally, "the lynx is wise/intelligent".
[23:58]  * Obsidian1723 ni ni all | shutdown -h


[12:28] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:40] <mrgoodcat> it is a morning at any rate
[12:50] <rick_h_> yea, morning
[13:25] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:25] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Hope the demo goes well
[13:25] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, we didn't make it
[13:25] <rick_h_> long story, but shut it down at 9pm last night and we got bumped
[13:25] <rick_h_> so will be bittersweet demo in an hour
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> D:
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> just had to set up rvm on a digitalocean box... self.kill()
[13:38] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Ugh
[13:38] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Welcome to my world. :)
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> had to rspec for every ruby since 1.8
[13:39] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Sadly that's the best use-case for RVM that I can see
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> rvm 1.8.7,1.9.3,2.0.2 do bundle exec rake spec
[13:39] <cmaloney> And it's not particularly great at it.
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> i haven't had any problems
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> and actually aside from the massive amount of time it took, the install was painless
[13:40] <cmaloney> I haven't figured out how to reliably use gemsets yet.
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> i just use bundler anyways
[13:40] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Let me rephrase:
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> gemsets are inferior to bundler
[13:40] <cmaloney> I haven't figured out the convoluted Ruby install processes yet.
[13:41] <mrgoodcat> do you use bash or zsh?
[13:42] <cmaloney> bash
[13:42] <rick_h_> zsh
[13:42] <rick_h_> ftw
[13:47] <jrwren> you can take my bash from my cold dead hands :p
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> zsh is where it's at
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> is google down?
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> .isup google.com
[13:48] <bookiebot> http://google.com returned a response code of 200 in 0.185409 seconds
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> wtf
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> can anybody else see google? we can't access it at work right now
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> its back up
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> nvm
[13:50] <jrwren> google doesn't go down :p
[13:50] <rick_h_> lol
[13:51] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I think it's a PEBKAC error.
[13:51] <mrgoodcat> the whole building lost google for ~60 seconds
[13:51] <jrwren> problem exists between keyboard and CLEC?
[13:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: or chair. :)
[13:52] <jrwren> sounds like your ISP is playing tricks on  you.
[13:52] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:53] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: http://hastebin.com/epasuriduc
[13:53] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/UwiqQ2 - hastebin
[13:53] <mrgoodcat> then use ruby-install and you're done :)
[13:55] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: What does this do?
[13:56] <cmaloney> Looks like a Makefile to install stuff from the interwebs
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> installs chruby and ruby-install on a machine
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> all you need is git
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> although yes don't do it without reading it first yada yada
[13:57] <mrgoodcat> it was more to show you how easy it is
[13:57] <cmaloney> echo "source /usr/local/share/chruby/chruby.sh" >> $(HOME)/.bashrc
[13:57] <mrgoodcat> i don't automate installs from the internet
[13:57] <cmaloney> echo "source /usr/local/share/chruby/auto.sh" >> $(HOME)/.bashrc
[13:57] <mrgoodcat> that's how chruby works. it needs to be loaded by your shell
[13:57] <cmaloney> I would love to know what school of development Ruby folks are from
[13:58] <cmaloney> (And yes, I understand that virtualenv does a similar thing)
[13:58] <mrgoodcat> chruby only affects your PATH. it doesn't overload cd or anything stupid like rvm does
[13:58] <mrgoodcat> or ls or whatever it does
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: chruby is currently the accepted way to install ruby. chruby is installed to system but all rubies and gems are installed to homedir
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> NO WAY
[14:02] <rick_h_> cmaloney: heh, better make sure jsivak sees http://r.bmark.us/u/596ba471b42254
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> THEY FIXED THE KERNEL FOR CHROMEBOOKS :D
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> done with caps now
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> super happy though
[14:02] <rick_h_> cmaloney: not quite super sized scale, but talk about looking at the long tail side of things
[14:31] <jrwren> TIL: python2 has backticks for eval
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> hrm cool
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> almost never find myself wanting to eval though
[14:35] <jrwren> same.
[14:35] <jrwren> IMO it is a huge smell.
[14:35] <jrwren> if you need to eval, you are doing it wrong.
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> pmuch how i feel
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> i used eval for the early version of my plugin system
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> but i've since switched to the imp module
[14:53] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Interesting.
[14:53] <cmaloney> Probably just what most sellers need, frankly.
[14:54] <cmaloney> I'm pretty sure the number of folks who make purchasing decisions based on the bathroom of a store are quite low.
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> bathroom is one of the best places to figure out how clean the kitchen is kept
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> you can usually assume they have similar cleaning habits
[14:56] <rick_h_> cmaloney: it's interesting
[15:00] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, that's true for restaurants.
[15:01] <cmaloney> Not so much for retail
[15:02] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I'd bet you could do more with a simple "I'm happy" / "I'm unhappy".
[15:02] <cmaloney> http://hexweb.bandcamp.com/album/hex
[15:02] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/RdA7Gx - HEX | HEX
[15:02] <cmaloney> Wish this were CC licensed, but still pretty cool
[15:04] <cmaloney> Reminds me a bit of White Zombie / Rob Zombie
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> no but i've seen square in restaurants too
[15:09] <Havenstance> good morning
[15:12] <cmaloney> Morning
[15:12] <cmaloney> btw: http://mug.org is tonight
[15:12] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/4LKP5D - Michigan!/usr/group | mug.org – A Michigan-based Linux and UNIX Free and Open Source Community
[15:12] <brousch> cmaloney: I will not be attending
[15:12] <cmaloney> brousch: You forgot to say "sorry"
[15:13] <brousch> Sorry I forgot to say sorry
[15:13] <cmaloney> heh
[15:13] <brousch> :P
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> keep forgetting they're indian
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> "certain values of" I think of as a pretty common thing to say
[15:58] <Havenstance> well i have finally gotten my desk cleaned off of the backlogged projects.
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> good for you
[15:58] <Havenstance> now its time to start on repairs...
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> don't think i'll ever be able to do that
[15:59] <Havenstance> Yeah, I love being the everything guy somedays. especially when now on top of my list is putting a 40 foot aluminum later up the side of a power pole to remove a camera from the pole for service....
[16:00] <brousch> Havenstance: Don't forget your kite and key on a string
[16:00] <Havenstance> brousch, pretty much the general idea today. its windy up here too
[16:00] <Havenstance> windy hot and humid
[16:00] <Havenstance> but a nice change from the 40 below a month or so ago
[16:04] <jrwren> you should really use a fiberglass ladder for that, because, you never know!
[16:06] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: just knock the camera down with a rock
[16:06] <mrgoodcat> get a new one
[16:06] <mrgoodcat> 4k
[16:07] <Havenstance> jrwren, we don't have a fiberglass ladder, Instead a rickety old aluminum ladder is what we got. its a great deal... I'm thinking I can get to it from the roof of the building though so that's probably the way I'll go
[16:07] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, I'm taking it down to go downtown and get a new one anyway this one has bad connections and I'm not going to keep messing around with it going out every other week I'm just gonna replace it. Boss only pays like 100 a piece for the cameras anyway
[16:17] <mrgoodcat> spend 10k$
[16:17] <mrgoodcat> is good for you
[16:22] <Havenstance> this is true, I'd personally like to hire out the setting up and maintenance of those cameras. I'm about tired of dealing with it. Anyway gotta go check on the employee I have doing training. Then better get up there and pull that its not going to take its self down lol
[17:19] <brousch> cmaloney: PyOhio is looking for "diverse" talk reviewers. You should get your wife to do it
[17:19] <cmaloney> I signed myself up for it.
[17:20] <brousch> But you are not a sciency female who knows little Python
[17:20] <cmaloney> Just so I could vote against any kivy talk.
[17:20] <cmaloney> Is that on her business cards? I haven't seen that. ;)
[18:17] <greg-g> https://twitter.com/mhoye/status/466277261407027201
[18:17] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/gip4NP - Twitter / mhoye: Just saw a colleague unbox ...
[18:18] <rick_h_> pretty much
[18:19] <rick_h_> though I have to say, if you pull the trigger on a new laptop you probably should have looked at the keyboard pics online
[18:28] <cmaloney> Yeah, Lenovo has really screwed the pooch on that keyboard.
[18:29] <greg-g> https://twitter.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/status/466168309441122304  aka download now while you still can
[18:29] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/9XAje3 - Twitter / Cmdr_Hadfield: Bowie's last day - we had ...
[18:30] <cmaloney> I cannot cofirm or deny if I'm using youtube-dl right now. :)
[19:02] <mrgoodcat> chris hadfield is a better singer than i'd have guessed
[19:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: MUG?
[19:03] <mrgoodcat> when is mug?
[19:03] <jcastro> I can't today
[19:03] <rick_h_> tonight 6:30
[19:03] <mrgoodcat> :/
[19:03] <mrgoodcat> yea i can never go
[19:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: booo ok
[19:04] <cmaloney> jcastro: I have a slide specifically telling folks to talk to you. :)
[19:04] <cmaloney> How will it be nearly as effective if you are not present?
[19:04] <jcastro> excellent!
[19:05] <mrgoodcat> talks on g+?
[19:05] <cmaloney> Nope. I'm forbidding anyone recording my talk
[19:06] <cmaloney> FORBIDDING, BY MY BIDDING
[19:06] <cmaloney> Actually I don't care one way or the other.
[19:07]  * mrgoodcat wants to smoke weed with chris hadfield in space
[19:07] <cmaloney> my talk will be me killing time
[19:07] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, sounds like a good time
[19:07] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: orly?
[19:07] <brousch> cmaloney: Add his phone number to the slide
[19:07] <mrgoodcat> http://i.imgur.com/ZAZrLW9.jpg
[19:07] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/uc5anC - image/jpeg
[19:07] <cmaloney> Well, he is canadian.
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> :D
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> i'm colorado...ian?... in spirit
[19:08] <cmaloney> he only had to hide it when they were over the UNited States.
[19:08] <greg-g> what the
[19:08] <greg-g> that can't be real
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> wonder what the laws are regarding space... is that like being in international water?
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> or if you're over a country are you covered by their laws?
[19:09] <greg-g> not the later, definitely
[19:09] <cmaloney> http://digital.negative-existence.com/album/sanctus-daemoneon-the-unavoidable
[19:09] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/3VbOq6 - SANCTUS DAEMONEON - The unaVOIDable | Negative Existence
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> what if SpaceX's biggest clients become the mafia
[19:09] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, i'd live in colorado if I could afford it myself :)
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> sending people up to get killed outside of jurisdiction
[19:11] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: If you can sharp-shoot someone while in a near-earth orbit you're a better person than I.
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> hahaha
[21:08] <jrwren> right by where greg-g once lived. https://twitter.com/amywrites_/status/466294945297346560
[21:08] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/dVeyeN - Twitter / amywrites_: RT @MEIDispatch #WashtenawCounty ...
[21:17] <greg-g> eek, I was 1815 Dexter
[21:51] <mrgoodcat> wow
[21:51] <mrgoodcat> wb
[21:52] <cmaloney> Ugh
[21:55] <mrgoodcat> aww yea
[21:55] <mrgoodcat> for anyone that browses github a lot https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/octotree/bkhaagjahfmjljalopjnoealnfndnagc
[21:55] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/3zT6BZ - Chrome Web Store - Octotree
[23:09] <tony-smlr> MUG (Michigan Users Group) May meeting video is live!  http://youtu.be/nx_WEnu1jKY
[23:09] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/pYhdjy - MUG - 2014-05-13 Running an Open Source Project / State of Linux Gaming -2 - YouTube
[23:34] <brousch> I am so tempted to make a U-M color scheme for the pyohio page and PR it
[23:40] <mrgoodcat> doit


[01:53] <Flannel> rww: I agree that having factoid changes (and requests) logged is useful
[03:38] <Jordan_U> autobleh was supposed to quiet FEMALE_ANUS just then, not just op then deop me...
[04:08] <Jordan_U> I should have known FEMALE had already been banned.
[04:09] <rww> The floodbots mention things like that in their control channel ;)
[04:41] <hypatia> sorry bout that folks
[04:41] <hypatia> finally got sasl working ::)
[06:08] <bazhang> the bot does not prompt for +q; is that normal, or am I just absent-minded
[06:08] <bazhang> ie for a comment
[06:15] <tsimpson> it should do
[06:18] <bazhang> okay. probably a glitch in chanserv.py script
[06:19] <rww> nope. the +q showed up fine for me.
[06:20] <bazhang> weird. I got no comment this time
[07:08] <bazhang> interesting q from alabd
[07:08] <rww> oh god, we let alabd back in?
[07:09] <rww> I take back everything I've ever said on the topic of ban list pruning.
 Good day all , i-humble want to remove a driver in kernel and reinstall it  , is removing it's module with rmmod enough ?
[14:27] <LjL> +r time
[14:29] <mneptok> LjL: set by a floodbot already
[14:29] <Tm_T> ...which might be LjL doing it manually?
[14:30] <mneptok> might be
[14:30] <mneptok> those Italians are crafty devils
[14:32] <LjL> mneptok: :P
[14:33] <mneptok> divertente :)
[15:57] <ikonia> looking
[18:46] <pozzi0> ok
[18:46] <pozzi0> heres my story
[18:46] <pozzi0> i rly need help with ubuntu
[18:47] <pozzi0> coz i need it for the university
[18:47] <pozzi0> so i came in #ubuntu-it (because im italian)
[18:47] <pozzi0> i started talking with some user
[18:48] <pozzi0> everything ok
[18:48] <pozzi0> and then
[18:48] <pozzi0> i did a mistake. lol, imho, not a mistake
[18:48] <pozzi0> but in ubunto-it opinion, a big mistake
[18:48] <pozzi0> wich deserved a big punishment
[18:49] <pozzi0> i said a blasfemy (or a profanity dunno whats the english for that)
[18:49] <pozzi0> then ok. nothing happened
[18:49] <pozzi0> then 10 seconds and i was banned
[18:49] <topyli> pozzi0: #ubuntu-irc would be a more proper channel for this. have you talked to the op who banned you?
[18:50] <pozzi0> probably in those 10 seconds @moderator thought that if he had banned me, i would have gone to heaven..
[18:50] <pozzi0> he would
[18:50] <pozzi0> have gone to heaven
[18:51] <pozzi0> oh topyli sorry, i thought this chan was here for this purpose
[18:51] <pozzi0> claiming on ban
[18:51] <pozzi0> but effectively
[18:51] <pozzi0> thinking about it
[18:51] <pozzi0> ok. thanks everyone!
[18:51] <topyli> it is, if you're having problems in the core channels. the international ops live in #ubuntu-irc
[18:51] <pozzi0> and think about it
[22:42] <ikonia> hello arvut
[22:46] <arvut> hello
[22:46] <arvut> I meant to get in touch with topyli actually
[22:47] <ikonia> topyli: ping
[22:47] <arvut> long time no see btw
[22:47] <ikonia> lets give him a minute or two to see if he responds
[22:47] <ikonia> apologies, I don't remember you
[22:47] <arvut> yeah, I've msged him
[22:47] <ikonia> its it just topyli you need, or can someone else help ?
[22:48] <arvut> used to chat in #u-o alot until i asked him to ban me
[22:48] <ikonia> ok, why did you ask for that ?
[22:49] <arvut> it was february, I tend to do thing such as starting arguments with admins/authorities
[22:49] <ikonia> ok, so what's changed ?
[22:49] <arvut> so it was for my own protection really
[22:49] <ikonia> or would you rather just pick this up for topyli
[22:49] <arvut> nah, its fine
[22:50] <ikonia> so I'm assuming you'd like the ban removed now ?
[22:50] <arvut> I do that stuff once per year or so. and yeah, thats why im here =)
[22:50] <ikonia> give me a moment please.
[22:52] <arvut> ty, send topyli my greetings and thank him for that ban.
[22:53] <ikonia> ok, I've just read the notes on it, and I don't think it's appropriate to remove the ban at this time, topyli will see this conversation and if he disagree's he can remove it
[22:53] <arvut> oh
[22:53] <arvut> what did the notes say? you can send them in a pm if you want
[22:54] <topyli> hi arvut
[22:54] <ikonia> sorry, I'm not posting them, it bascially says what you've said
[22:54] <ikonia> ahh topyli welcome, over to you.
[22:54] <arvut> hi )
[22:54] <topyli> i can't remember if i left the ban in or if i removed it routinely at some point
[22:55] <ikonia> topyli: still there
[22:55] <arvut> I haven't checked if im still banned tbh
[22:55] <arvut> I just came here as we agreed I should
[22:55] <topyli> that's not important though. what matters is we don't really get to choose when we respect the guidelines of the communities we want to work with and when we don't care so much
[22:56] <topyli> i didn't agree to anything iirc :)
[22:56] <topyli> you said you won't respect the guidelines so i banned you as requested
[22:57] <arvut> we agreed that I should come here and talk to you when I felt ready for the unban. I have a sort of photographic memory, sorry :P
[22:57] <topyli> yes i remember saying you should come here to talk about it
[22:58] <arvut> and here I am, roughly 1 month later?
[22:58] <topyli> question is, do you understand the rules and respect them?
[22:59] <arvut> februaury is over, ready to respect the guidelines and in no mood to argue with authorities.
[22:59] <topyli> also, why do you bother ops when you want to stay out of channels? just don't enter then
[22:59] <arvut> I most likely do.
[22:59] <topyli> them
[23:00] <topyli> so when is your next disrespectful season scheduled for?
[23:01] <arvut> next february I guess, will you please respect my wishes if I ever ask you for this again?
[23:02] <arvut> a ban is the most effective way to avoid what I wish to avoid
[23:02] <topyli> no. you don't enter channels when you think you can't be civil in there
[23:02] <topyli> ops are not your babysitters
[23:02] <arvut> I know that
[23:02] <topyli> why do you treat them as such then?
[23:04] <arvut> however, if you would refuse to ban me when I ask for it then I might misbehave without intending to do so, and therefor get a permanent ban.
[23:04] <arvut> do you see the logic?
[23:04] <topyli> yes. end result is you'll be banned
[23:05] <topyli> (permanent bans are not very common though)
[23:06] <arvut> I know I cannot stay away from places I shouldnt be at, so asking for a ban seems to me like the most effective way to avoid trouble
[23:07] <topyli> well you're unbanned now. please try to figure out how to stay unbanned, like everybody else
[23:07] <topyli> you can now join -ot
[23:07] <arvut> ty :)
[23:08] <arvut> is that + a sign of that ur voiced btw?
[23:08] <topyli> yes
[23:08] <topyli> those who are voiced are allowed to idle here. others are not
[23:08] <arvut> oh
[23:08] <topyli> *wink* :)
[23:09] <arvut> idle=stay?
[23:09] <topyli> yes
[23:09] <arvut> how would I get a + then?
[23:09] <arvut> :)
[23:10] <topyli> they're all ops, staff and such ministers, which is why they have to idle here, waiting for users to bring their worries to them
[23:11] <topyli> when things are sorted out, you should go and let other business be taken care of too
[23:11] <topyli> read the topic
[23:11] <arvut> ahh, so unless I'm an op I cannot become voiced?
[23:11] <topyli> right
[23:12] <arvut> what does the voice do then? if all you do is idle?
[23:12] <arvut> a private op chat?
[23:12] <topyli> it just lets us know who shouldn't be forcibly removed for idling
[23:13] <topyli> you should try and join #ubuntu-offtopic now to make sure you're not banned
[23:13] <arvut> ok, brb
[23:14] <arvut> topyli: im in, ty :)
[23:14] <topyli> so it seems. you can now part from here :)
[23:14] <arvut> can I stay here and chat btw? unless thats considered idling
[23:15] <topyli> no, this is a boring business-only channel and we like it that way :)
[23:16] <arvut> I could bring some fun into it ;)
[23:16] <topyli> no fun for us! :
[23:16] <arvut> what are the guidelines for this channel and/or where can I find them?
[23:17] <arvut> oh yes, every op/admin needs fun
[23:17] <topyli> the guidelines are the same as any other ubuntu channel
[23:17] <arvut> oh
[23:17] <topyli> please /part now
[23:17] <arvut> alright, see you around then
[23:17] <arvut> bye ikonia


[03:34] <dublin> is there a torrent for the new jaunty beta fir mid/lpia?
[04:53] <dublin> any torrents for the new 9.04 (jaunty) beta for mid/lpia?
[14:15] <ToHellWithGA> i'm trying to figure out which ubuntu variant my grandmother should be using on her very old dell laptop
[14:15] <ToHellWithGA> i thought the netbook thing looked like a good plan because of the low footprint then read that it has a minimum processor of intel atom
[14:16] <ToHellWithGA> her laptop has a 266MHz Pentium II
[14:16] <ToHellWithGA> 3.6GB hard drive :-) and nearly 3 hours of battery life
[14:21] <lool> ToHellWithGA: i386 version should just work
[14:21] <lool> ToHellWithGA: But you do need 3D support
[21:47] <ToHellWithGA> lool: i dunno if i'm going to have that.  the computer shipped with windows 95
[21:47] <ToHellWithGA> it barely played 3d games after coaxing
[21:48] <ToHellWithGA> i guess i'll find out if the old chipset has 3d drivers :)