[00:02] <dofer49> pedro3005, on another note, what if I want to use the other kernel, am I now stuck using this one? How can I get alsamixer back on the other one?
[00:03] <pedro3005> dofer49, wouldn't know exactly... try opening a thread on the forums
[00:33] <Guest24431> I can't get my network printer (Brother MFC 495 CW) to print download drivers still nothing can someone help
[00:35] <phillw> hi Guest24431, which version of ubuntu and are you running 64 bit or 32 bit ?
[00:35] <Guest24431> 32
[00:35] <phillw> ubuntu 9.10 ?
[00:36] <Guest24431> yes
[00:38] <phillw> the major hint seems to be follow the instructions EXACTLY, as in making sub-directories if they do not exit, this is a recent (live) thread of people who have it working --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1405723
[00:40] <Guest24431> yes, I've tried that
[00:41] <phillw> you have followed every step in that thread already ?
[00:43] <Guest24431> the best I could--I'm a newbie
[00:44] <phillw> So are they, 5 beans == five postings :-)
[00:44] <phillw> Did you download the drivers from the Brother site? Follow the instructions exactly. Do you have error messages?
[00:44] <phillw> http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
[00:46] <phillw> use the DEB packages for the printer scanner etc., all of them.
[00:46] <phillw> The thread is new enough for you to able to post to it & ask for assistance.
[00:48] <Guest24431> i will try that thanks
[01:04] <dofer49> pedro3005, remember what we were talking about earlier? Well after a restart, I went back into the kernel where alsamixer was not showing up
[01:04] <dofer49> and not only is alsamixer back
[01:04] <dofer49> but sound is here
[01:46] <_paultag_> where did nose_pick go?
[01:46] <_paultag_> he has the best real username EVER
[01:46] <_paultag_> I used to use shazbot when I was a wee lad
[01:47] <pedro3005> _paultag_, what's shazbot?
[01:48] <_paultag_> pedro3005: a joke word :)
[01:48] <pedro3005> _paultag_, I see
[02:18] <nomnex> my 4 USB2 ports are recognized as USB1 port, any idea? There are a few threads on the Ubuntu forum, but no solution/answer
[02:18] <nomnex> it is a notebook
[04:01] <ShadowKnight> hi
[04:03] <stlsaint> hey
[04:07] <tenach> hello
[04:12] <Raidsong> salutations
[04:12] <ShadowKnight> i have been having problems with my asus eee pc 1005peb running unr, i have noticed that you cant even install pidgin and my display blinks a lot. is that normal for UNR?
[04:16] <ducky> ShadowKnight, i have the same netbook
[04:16] <ducky> and have had no issues
[04:17] <ducky> what ealease are you using of UNR
[04:17] <ducky> release*
[04:17] <ShadowKnight> ducky, any suggestions on what to do? because it seems so weird. it even lasts less in ubuntu than in windows which i find really weird. im using 9.10 i think
[04:18] <ducky> ok so i guess i should start with asking what it actually does
[04:20] <ShadowKnight> ducky, first the display blinks a lot especially when i first start using the ubuntu partition. then it constantly disconnects at school and sometimes at home. theres also the battery issue which i dont think it could be because of ubuntu can it? and for some reason (i think it fixed) it didnt want to do the update manager. and of course i dont know if its because of unr but there are some things (pidgin especially) that
[04:23] <ducky> ShadowKnight, not sure on the first one. the second one you should use the backports for wifi
[04:24] <ShadowKnight> which backports? how would i do that?
[04:24] <ducky> third what is the issue with the battery?
[04:24] <ducky> and waht is pidging doing/not doing
[04:24] <ShadowKnight> idk to me at least on my big laptop the battery lasts longer on ubuntu than on windows 7 but on my netbook it lasts less by like an hour or two which i find weird.
[04:24] <ShadowKnight> i cant get it to download basically
[04:25] <ducky> ShadowKnight, you are running win 7 on the netbook right?
[04:25] <ShadowKnight> yea its on my other partition. just like my laptop does
[04:25] <ducky> on mine that is actually about what i see as well
[04:26] <ducky> its because windows kinda lies
[04:26] <ducky> i have been getting a pretty solid 6-8 hours shile using wifi most of the time
[04:26] <ducky> that is in both
[04:28] <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay then so windows stretches it? so i should go with the time that ubuntu says? i havent seen a problem with battery times in my ubuntu for laptop thats why i wasnt sure if it was a problem or not.
[04:29] <ducky> yes actually windows shuts the cpu down to powersaving mode when on battery so it is possible to get more time out but it also  means you are not doing anything anyway
[04:29] <ducky> so it may as well be in standby
[04:31] <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay then ill keep that  in mind thats good to know actually lol i thought it wasn't normal. so is there another limitation on UNR for the asus? i havent had a chance to mess around with it since those initial problems got me to worry that i did something wrong
[04:32] <ducky> its a limitation of UNR but there is the avalibility of emabling it as well
[04:32] <ducky> also you really should update the netbook to the latest bios
[04:32] <ducky> i had to with mine and alot of issues went away
[04:32] <ducky> when i first got mine i couldnt use the touchpad or keyboard
[04:33] <ShadowKnight> okay then update through ubuntu or through my windows?
[04:33] <ducky> update the bios through windows
[04:34] <ducky> oh so you cannot get updates through the update manager
[04:34] <ducky> have you tried to run the command 'sudo apt-get update'
[04:35] <ShadowKnight> okay then. imma do that later on today and hopefully it helps. btw what can i do about pidgin and actually downloading it?
[04:35] <ShadowKnight> and idk to be honest. i think it is finally working but my netbook died so im gonna turn it on soon. before it was trying but didnt move from 1 out of 47 files
[04:36] <ducky> was it connected to the network?
[04:36] <ducky> you were saying you were having wifi issues
[04:37] <ShadowKnight> yea it was i was using firefox to double check it was still connected but then again from time to time it just disconnects
[04:37] <ducky> i am looking into the disconnect issue
[04:37] <ducky> i had the same thing happen to me
[04:37] <ducky> im trying to find a link for you
[04:38] <ShadowKnight> okay thank you
[04:40] <ducky> ShadowKnight, can you try hardwiring it into the network?
[04:42] <ShadowKnight> hardwiring? ummm i don't know i will be able to do that. i could try but first i will have to find the screwdriver i had. how come?
[04:42] <ducky> your wifi connection my be flaky and if it is dropping then the update mamager wont be able to look for updates and it will time out
[04:43] <ducky> lilke what you described
[04:43] <ducky> when it searcehs for updates it should not take very long at all enen on a rather slow connection
[04:44] <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay then i could try that then. imma double check again when i turn it on again to see if it is connecting.
[04:44] <ShadowKnight> how long does it usually take? i know on this comp it takes less than a min
[04:44] <ducky> yea thats about how long it should take
[04:45] <ShadowKnight> okay then imma give that a try tomorrow morning. imma knock out. thank you so much ducky. you have been a tremendous help to me. if all else fails ill come back here but i think with what you told me it should be fine. thanks again :)
[04:45] <ducky> yea thanks for stoping by
[06:42] <SteveGar> can anyone help me with adding a new (second) drive, specifically mounting in the current fs one drive #1?
[06:44] <SteveGarg> can anyone verify that i am visible? havent used irc for years.
[06:45] <pedro3005> hello SteveGarg
[06:45] <SteveGarg> hello, thanks
[06:45] <pedro3005> SteveGarg, what are you trying to do?
[06:46] <SteveGarg> adding a new (second) drive, specifically mounting in the current fs one drive #1
[06:46] <pedro3005> SteveGarg, what do you mean adding a new drive?
[06:47] <SteveGarg> I have 1 hard disk 500gb sata that has ubuntu, and have an identical 500gb hard drive
[06:47] <SteveGarg> that I can see
[06:47] <SteveGarg> formated
[06:47] <SteveGarg> but not sure of right combo
[06:47] <SteveGarg> to mount in home
[06:47] <SteveGarg> so I will have existing home GBs plus new 500
[06:48] <SteveGarg> seamless for shares to home network
[06:48] <SteveGarg> ?
[06:48] <pedro3005> SteveGarg, oh so you want to have a partition that spreads across drives?
[06:48] <SteveGarg> yes
[06:48] <SteveGarg> tried lvm
[06:48] <SteveGarg> but something in my brain is not getting the mount part
[06:49] <SteveGarg> like does second drive need to be
[06:49] <SteveGarg> pri or logical
[06:49] <SteveGarg> same ext4
[06:49] <SteveGarg> etc ? I appreciate you helpign/listening. :)
[06:50] <pedro3005> SteveGarg, not sure what pri is, I usually choose logical
[06:50] <SteveGarg> ok
[06:50] <pedro3005> And yeah, use ext4
[06:50] <SteveGarg> primary is what i meant
[06:50] <SteveGarg> ok
[06:50] <SteveGarg> ext 4
[06:50] <pedro3005> st4aluck, ohh, primary
[06:50] <SteveGarg> is what other partition is on first drive that I want to put this new disk in.
[06:52] <pedro3005> SteveGarg, not entirely sure... try asking over ubuntuforums.org
[06:52] <SteveGarg> ok, I appreciate your listening! :)
[07:40] <fireace> I'm trying to run UNR off a USB drive on my eeepc 1000h but everytime it starts to boot then I get a message saying 'can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow'
[07:41] <fireace> and a command promt and I can't go any futher
[07:41] <fireace> I've never really used linux before so I'm not really sure what to do
[07:41] <fireace> I thought that it would just kinda boot and run from the stick
[07:46] <seidos> fireace, I'm not sure what might help.  I was thinking you could try mounting /dev/loop1 from the command prompt
[07:46] <seidos> I think mount /dev/loop1 /mnt
[07:46] <seidos> should mount /dev/loop1 to /mnt
[07:48] <seidos> fireace, but you had it right the first time, it should just boot from the stick
[07:49] <seidos> even if mounting works it won't solve your problem of trying to install UNR on the netbook
[07:50] <seidos> fireace, sorry I can't be more help.  if you don't get anymore help you can try the forums
[07:54] <fireace> well the way I must see it there must be either something wrong with my netbook or the download but the download verifed fine
[07:54] <fireace> and if it was my netbook other people must of encountered the same problem
[07:54] <fireace> but I havent found anyone reporting a simler problem
[07:55] <fireace> I guess I should just re-download it and see what happens
[07:58] <phillw> fireace: assuming you are making the usb drive 'persistant' doo not allocate 100% of the free area to it, stick at 95%; just don't ask me why it works, it just does :-)
[08:17] <fireace> I made it non pesistant and it worked... I'm going to try it again with a much more space for the persistance
[08:18] <Akos> hi team
[08:33] <fireace> hmmm even with 3GBs it still has problems, guess I'll just have to run it with out persistance
[09:17] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[09:26] <Silver_Fox_> Hello smeag0l
[09:26] <smeag0l> Hello Silver_Fox_
[09:27] <Silver_Fox_> Are yo well friend ?
[09:33] <smeag0l> i am doing okay
[09:44] <Silver_Fox_> Thats good smeag0l  :)
[10:05] <Silver_Fox_> Hello davidvasta ,  good to see you on IRC :-)
[10:32] <leoquant> man0riax morning
[10:32] <leoquant> wiki looks fine ツ
[10:32] <man0riaX> Hey there
[10:32] <man0riaX> Very nice (:
[10:33] <man0riaX> Btw: How are you? (:
[10:33] <leoquant> thats always a goog instrument to introduce yourself isn't it?
[10:33] <Silver_Fox_> Hello leoquant  :)
[10:33] <leoquant> morning team ツ
[10:33] <talsemgeest> Heya leoquant :)
[10:33] <man0riaX> Indeed, it is. Although it's hard to get ideas of what to write
[10:33] <leoquant> reheya ツ
[10:34] <leoquant> man0riaX when you get more involved into the team your wiki will explode
[10:35] <leoquant> (more or less :P)
[10:35] <man0riaX> I hope so. I really like writing wiki articles as I got two other wikis to write in. ^^
[10:36] <leoquant> haha
[10:36] <leoquant> are you into the german forums also man0riaX?
[10:36] <Silver_Fox_> Link to the wiki page ?
[10:37] <man0riaX> leoquant: I am.
[10:37] <leoquant> same nick?
[10:37] <Silver_Fox_> Never mind
[10:37] <man0riaX> http://ubuntuusers.de/user/man0riaX/
[10:38] <Silver_Fox_> Thanks,  looking good man0riaX :)
[10:38] <man0riaX> I was just about posting the wiki article, okay. ^^
[10:38] <leoquant> i am a fan of the german wiki, its a great wiki imo, esp. the security part
[10:39] <Silver_Fox_> Wiki pages can explode, mine certainly did
[10:39] <man0riaX> Hehe yes.
[10:39] <man0riaX> leoquant: Yeah, it's great and helped me dozens of times
[10:40] <leoquant> yeah Silver_Fox yours reads as a novel
[10:40] <leoquant> : "great expectation"
[10:40] <leoquant> s
[10:41] <Silver_Fox_> man0riaX,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Silver_Fox  <- Mine
[10:41] <Silver_Fox_> leoquant,  It got BIGGER
[10:41] <Silver_Fox_> :D
[10:41] <man0riaX> I've had a look at it yesterday, yes. It's quite huge though :D
[10:41] <leoquant> man0riaX it is the mother of all wiki's..:) watch it!
[10:42] <Silver_Fox_> I need to update it again I thing
[10:42] <Silver_Fox_> think
[10:42] <Silver_Fox_> I've been doing more stuff
[10:42] <Silver_Fox_> I also seem to have come out of the election still holding my positions within the beginners team
[10:43] <Silver_Fox_> So for that I thank those who voted :)
[10:43] <leoquant> man0riaX hang around, i'am off for some food etc
[10:43] <leoquant> latersz
[10:43] <man0riaX> Later
[10:43] <Silver_Fox_> Au revoir
[10:45] <man0riaX> I've subscribed to the National Geographics Magazine a few weeks ago and they said I'd have to wait 8-12 weeks until the delivery of the first issue. Strange. ^^
[11:02] <ApOgEE> hi all
[11:02] <Silver_Fox_> Hello ApOgEE
[11:03] <ApOgEE> hi Silver_Fox_
[11:03] <man0riaX> Hey there
[11:03] <ApOgEE> does anyone know where can i get the new ubuntu logo font?
[11:03] <Silver_Fox_> How are you ApOgEE  ?
[11:04] <ApOgEE> i'm fine, thanks.. how are you Silver_Fox_ ?
[11:05] <Silver_Fox_> I am not sure its been released yet ApOgEE
[11:05] <ApOgEE> i'm searching for the new ubuntu logo font... which font they use? i'm going to make some materials for the upcoming release party
[11:06] <ApOgEE> i only have the logo svg...
[11:07] <talsemgeest> ApOgEE: From what I have heard they have only finished about 40% of the letters, and they are trying to get it released by the end of the month
[11:09] <man0riaX> http://gnews.com/science/Million-Dollar-NASA-Photos-Beaten-by-Budget-Balloon-632572225751.html
[11:09] <ApOgEE> talsemgeest, thanks for the info
[11:09] <man0riaX> This is awesome
[11:16] <ApOgEE> dammit... really really really awesome http://www.robertharrison.org/icarus/wordpress/28/icarus-i-launch-3/
[11:16] <man0riaX> Ya
[12:28] <man0riaX> afk
[12:36] <ApOgEE> going home now... see ya
[12:40] <Silver_Fox_> Bye
[15:58] <michae1> Hoping someone can help... trying to install beat 2 of zimbra desktop and am getting a permission denied error. How do I change my user settings to allow me to install zdc?
[15:59] <Silver_Fox_> Try using sudo
[16:04] <Akos> hi Silver_Fox_ (:
[16:05] <Silver_Fox_>  Hello Akos
[16:09] <Silver_Fox_> How are you Akos  ?
[17:46] <ShadowKnight> hello
[17:49] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[17:54] <running_rabbit07> Hello all! I have created an extra partition for testing Lubuntu. When I install it should I install grub in the same partition with Lubuntu then boot Ubuntu and run grub-update?
[17:54] <running_rabbit07> Or should I just not let grub instll
[17:55] <ShadowKnight> does anyone know the backport command for the asus 1005PEB wifi. it doesnt seem to have a strong connection and its taking forever to download updates
[17:55] <running_rabbit07> ShadowKnight, I just installed the backport mudule via Synaptic
[17:55] <running_rabbit07> I have the 1005 also
[17:56] <ShadowKnight> running_rabbit07, where do i get it?
[17:56] <ShadowKnight> what is it called?
[17:56] <running_rabbit07> sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-karmic
[17:57] <running_rabbit07> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1413691
[17:59] <ShadowKnight> so is that for the command line in the terminal?
[17:59] <ShadowKnight> this is for the UNR right?
[18:01] <running_rabbit07> Yes, it will work for UNR or the desktop install, yes, run it in a terminal
[18:02] <ShadowKnight> k let me go try it. thank you :)
[18:03] <ShadowKnight> okay its downloading right now :D
[18:04] <running_rabbit07> awesome
[18:05] <man0riaX> MSN bots really rule
[18:05] <ShadowKnight> thanks running_rabbit07 :)
[18:05] <Akos> they do? :O
[18:05] <man0riaX> Indeed
[18:05] <man0riaX> http://nopaste.info/7c5d9ebcf2.html
[18:05] <running_rabbit07> ShadowKnight,  you are welcome, glad I could help
[18:05] <man0riaX> Well, it got boring by the end :D
[18:07] <man0riaX> I can't believe that people really trust those absolutely female persons who want to cam with you
[18:11] <Silver_Fox_> Goodbye
[18:49] <tcsmith1978> hello - is there anybody here who can help with wireless bridging?
[18:50] <ShadowKnight> hey, i was wondering what to do when i update and it comes up with configuring grub-pc
[18:50] <ShadowKnight> do i keep the local version currently installed
[18:51] <running_rabbit07> ShadowKnight, I have used the maintainers version and the local, they both have worked for me, might as well go for the maintainer's
[18:55] <ShadowKnight> okay then thanks running_rabbit07
[18:55] <running_rabbit07> yw
[19:47] <harry003_> when I attempt to run System/Administration/Synaptic it acts like it is starting for a few seconds then blinks off altogether. same with downloads. also, when I run System testing, it hangs indefinitely
[20:13] <harry003_> wait a minute - what does it mean I quit? I was hoping somebody could help me.
[20:13] <hobgoblin> aaah you are here still
[20:14] <hobgoblin> you were here as harry003 as well
[20:14] <hobgoblin> harry003_: anyway - does any admin task fail in a terminal, try sudo apt-get update
[20:15] <hobgoblin> harry003_: cool youtube too - thank you :D
[20:16] <harry003_> I am going to reboot into wubi and see if your fix works. are you a city hogoblin?
[20:24] <ShadowKnight> hello, i was reading and is there any difference between eee-control and eee applet?
[20:28] <BGL-[s]> i believe eee control is newer
[20:30] <ShadowKnight> BGL-[s], which would you say is better to use?
[20:30] <running_rabbit07> ShadowKnight, I just took a look at eee-applet in Synaptic PM and it looks like a good app. I do not see eee-control anywhere.
[20:31] <running_rabbit07> where is ee-control found?
[20:32] <ShadowKnight> i know running_rabbit07, http://greg.geekmind.org/eee-control/ this is where i found it
[20:35] <running_rabbit07> ShadowKnight, looks like a great applet. I have tried neither, but I am installing the eee-applet right now on my netbook
[20:37] <ShadowKnight> okay then imma try both
[20:37] <ShadowKnight> how would i install the eee-control one?
[20:37] <running_rabbit07> you'd have to download from the site
[20:38] <running_rabbit07> I was just looking and the newest version they have is for 9.04 not 9.10
[20:38] <ShadowKnight> oh okay then, so its not good to install it
[20:39] <running_rabbit07> could have problems
[20:39] <ShadowKnight> okay then ill stick with the applet then :)
[20:44] <harry003> none of these things worked. sudo apt-get update returned several pages of mess ending in "Aborted" - would it be best to just start over?
[20:44] <paultag> nigelb, poke
[20:48] <harry003> is it possible to run Synaptic from the terminal?
[20:50] <hobgoblin> gksudo synaptic - but you can do all that with apt-get instead
[20:50] <harry003> Oh, I see, what is CTCP version? I am trying Lucid via wubi under XP.
[20:50] <hobgoblin> ctcp version is to do with irc
[20:51] <hobgoblin> harry003: did you seem my post in your thread?
[20:51] <ShadowKnight> hey, in openoffice presentation. can you do notes similar how you do them in powerpoint? cause in powerpoint i know you can drag up the bottom to write notes. but in openoffice its just a text block that seems far away. is there any plugin or any other program i can use thats similar to powerpoint in that sense?
[20:52] <harry003> I don't know, I am handy but not technical. As a Windows user, I would assume that this is a bad installation and start over. Also, I will go back to the "Help Testing Lucid in wubi" thread, that's where I started all this anyway.
[21:04] <podiki> hi
[21:05] <man0riaX> Hey
[21:05] <podiki> I am really an ubuntu leek and have problems installing a wireless USB
[21:05] <podiki> It is 802.11n WLAN USB adapter (Ralink)
[21:06] <podiki> can anyone tell me how to install this?
[21:06] <hobgoblin> harry003: tbh I have little experience with wubi - I would not know if this is specific to wubi or not - do you get other problems trying to open sys admin tools from a terminal, does gksudo synaptic run? if not does it give you an error ?
[21:06] <man0riaX> podiki, doesn't it run out-of-the-box?
[21:07] <podiki> no it doesn't run out of the box
[21:07] <podiki> sorry hobgoblin, I am really an amateur, don't know what you mean...
[21:08] <man0riaX> Then give me a second, podiki.
[21:08] <podiki> thanks manOriaX
[21:08] <hobgoblin> I was talking to someone else podiki :)
[21:08] <podiki> Oh sorry
[21:08] <man0riaX> podiki, can you open a terminal and enter "lsusb" (without the ")?
[21:09] <hobgoblin> no need for apologies podiki :)
[21:09] <podiki> yes i can
[21:09] <podiki> did so
[21:09] <man0riaX> What does it say about your USB-Wireless-thingy?
[21:10] <podiki> get this: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:3071 Ralink Technology, Corp.  Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 003: ID 413c:2003 Dell Computer Corp. Keyboard Bus 002 Device 002: ID 413c:3016 Dell Computer Corp. Optical 5-Button Wheel Mouse Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub nathalie@nathalie-desktop:~$ ^C nathalie@nathalie-desktop:~$
[21:12] <man0riaX> Hmm, do you know the exact name of the adapter?
[21:12] <podiki> well, it says 802.11n WLAN USB Adapter
[21:13] <podiki> brand: Ralink
[21:14] <man0riaX> Okay, I guess I have something
[21:14] <man0riaX> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8390630&postcount=3
[21:16] <man0riaX> Can you try this out? (:
[21:17] <podiki> i tried it but don't know where to add blacklist rt2800usb
[21:17] <podiki> shall i copy/paste the message i get?
[21:18] <man0riaX> Sure
[21:18] <podiki>   GNU nano 2.0.9       File: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf           Modified    # This file lists those modules which we don't want to be loaded by # alias expansion, usually so some other driver will be loaded for the # device instead.  # evbug is a debug tool that should be loaded explicitly blacklist evbug  # these drivers are very simple, the HID drivers are usually preferred blacklist usbmouse blacklist usbkbd  # r
[21:18] <man0riaX> Ah
[21:18] <man0riaX> Ya
[21:19] <podiki> of confusion by creating unexpected network interfaces blacklist eth1394                                [ Read 55 lines ] ^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos ^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where Is  ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell
[21:19] <man0riaX> If you don't like that editor, try this one: sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[21:19] <podiki> Have no idea what it means... Am a ex-windows user
[21:20] <man0riaX> Open a terminal and run that command. :)
[21:20] <man0riaX> An editor will open
[21:20] <harry003> I have continued to bounce back and forth from my XP boot to Ubuntu. I am in Ubuntu and will try to stay here and work on this for a while.
[21:20] <podiki> get this: nathalie@nathalie-desktop:~$ udo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf The program 'udo' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install udo udo: command not found nathalie@nathalie-desktop:~$
[21:20] <hobgoblin> sudo gedit
[21:21] <man0riaX> sudo, not udo :)
[21:21] <hobgoblin> harry003: so have you tried what I suggested earlier?
[21:21] <man0riaX> podiki: An editor should start and show you a file - add "blacklist rt2800usb" (without the ") at the very end
[21:22] <podiki> ok, sorry, did it
[21:22] <podiki> this is what i get: # This file lists those modules which we don't want to be loaded by # alias expansion, usually so some other driver will be loaded for the # device instead.  # evbug is a debug tool that should be loaded explicitly blacklist evbug  # these drivers are very simple, the HID drivers are usually preferred blacklist usbmouse blacklist usbkbd  # replaced by e100 blacklist eepro100  # replaced by tulip blackl
[21:22] <man0riaX> Yap, that's the content of the file.
[21:22] <man0riaX> Scroll down to its very end
[21:23] <podiki> ok
[21:23] <podiki> # EDAC driver for amd76x clashes with the agp driver preventing the aperture # from being initialised (Ubuntu: #297750). Blacklist so that the driver # continues to build and is installable for the few cases where its # really needed. blacklist amd76x_edac
[21:23] <harry003> I have been at this for a week. I started trying to make wubi work, but gave up because of an error message. I tried VMware Player but Firefox would not work in it. I used Sun/Oracle VirtualBox which worked great except that I was trapped and could not see any other drives or directories. Now I have Lucid running under wubi, but some of the System Adminstration tools do not work. When I select them, I get an icon in the
[21:24] <hobgoblin> harry003: please open a terminal - run gksudo synaptic
[21:24] <man0riaX> podiki, then add the line "blacklist rt2800usb" at the file's end
[21:25] <harry003> I tried gksudo synaptic from the terminal, exactly the same behavior as when I selected from the menu - 10 seconds of seeming to work - then nothing. I also posted a question back in the original thread.
[21:25] <hobgoblin> harry003: if there is an error please paste it to paste.ubuntu.com  put a name in the box - hit paste and give the link
[21:25] <podiki> i did
[21:25] <man0riaX> podiki, it should look like that one: http://yfrog.com/47screenshotblacklistconfop
[21:25] <man0riaX> Then save the file and restart your computer. Hopefully it works. :)
[21:25] <hobgoblin> harry003: ok try sudo apt-get update
[21:26] <podiki> that is how it looks like
[21:26] <man0riaX> Very nice
[21:26] <podiki> and now?
[21:27] <man0riaX> Save the file and restart your computer. :)
[21:28] <podiki> ok thanks for your help!
[21:28] <man0riaX> Tell us if it worked then. ^^
[21:29] <harry003> OK, gksudo synaptic blinked off quickly, earlier today you gave me sudo apt-get update which gave an error that I just pasted. can you see it?
[21:31] <hobgoblin> where did you paste it?
[21:32] <harry003> ubuntu pastebin - it looked like ti worked, but is there some sort of "send" that I need to do?
[21:32] <hobgoblin> hit the paste button, then you get a new url
[21:32] <man0riaX> podiki, does the wireless adapter work now?
[21:33] <podiki> i am trying
[21:33] <podiki> wait
[21:33] <man0riaX> Take your time. ^^
[21:33] <harry003> I don't see a paste button. it appears to be at http://paste.ubuntu.com/410713/
[21:35] <podiki_> no manOriax, it doesnt
[21:35] <podiki_> do I need to download some specific applications?
[21:36] <hobgoblin> harry003: there's something wrong with that for sure - not sure how you would deal with it
[21:38] <hobgoblin> neither am I sure why you have a file called aegir in sudoers.d
[21:38] <podiki_> I tried the CD that goes with it too, but it doesn't open automatically and I don't know what files I need to open in order for it to run
[21:39] <man0riaX> Usually Windows drivers serve no purpose on Ubuntu, hmm
[21:39] <harry003> OK, I am excited about migrating from Windows to Ubuntu, but I need to feel my way around. Every time it works except for one thing, but a big thing. I am going to "nuke and pave" as my friend says, and do an all new wubi installation.
[21:41] <harry003> see you on the other side
[21:43] <podiki_> it is also adapted for Linux, has a file called Linux
[21:44] <man0riaX> Hm, can you check out that file again and tell me its content?
[21:44] <podiki_> sure
[21:44] <podiki_> 1 file is called /media/cdrom0/Other Drivers/Linux/2009_0302_RT2870_Linux_STA_v<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[21:45] <podiki_> the other one is called WEBUI
[21:45] <man0riaX> Ah, okay. That's useful, give me a second
[21:45] <podiki_> and another one Firmware
[21:47] <man0riaX> podiki_, can you run "lsmod | grep rt" on a terminal, please?
[21:47] <man0riaX> And post the output, then in a query message?
[22:02] <podiki> hi man0riaX
[22:02] <man0riaX> hi ^^
[22:02] <podiki> what do I do now?
[22:03] <man0riaX> I'm away for 30 seconds, wait
[22:05] <man0riaX> Back
[22:05] <podiki> man0riax, I believe I have a lot of issues with ubuntu
[22:05] <man0riaX> So, you've done the restart I guess?
[22:05] <podiki> can't download or remove applications either
[22:05] <podiki> yes
[22:06] <podiki> but how can I check if wireless works without disconnecting network cable
[22:06] <man0riaX> Very well then, there's a network manager applet to be found in the top-right corner of the desktop. Directly on the top panel.
[22:07] <podiki> there is nothing on right
[22:07] <podiki> I do have a file called network manager
[22:08] <man0riaX> There are symbols next to the clock
[22:08] <podiki> no
[22:08] <man0riaX> Urm
[22:08] <podiki> nothing
[22:09] <podiki> I think it might be installed incorrectly as a lot of things don't seem to work
[22:10] <man0riaX> Can you right-click on the panel
[22:10] <man0riaX> Select "add to panel"
[22:11] <man0riaX> And then choose the "notification area" from the window?
[22:11] <podiki> did so
[22:11] <podiki> no icon appears
[22:12] <man0riaX> Okay, then open the menu: System -> Preferences -> Network Connections
[22:14] <podiki> ok
[22:14] <man0riaX> You can choose "Wireless" there, yes?
[22:14] <podiki> yep
[22:15] <man0riaX> So, select "add" and enter the data of the WLAN
[22:15] <man0riaX> And also select "connect automatically" ^^
[22:15] <podiki> sorry, what is SSID?
[22:15] <man0riaX> The name of the Wireless network
[22:16] <podiki> ok done
[22:17] <man0riaX> You can leave "BSSID" and so on blank - so, can you run "iwconfig" on a terminal?
[22:18] <podiki> nathalie@nathalie-desktop:~$ iwconfig lo        no wireless extensions.  eth0      no wireless extensions.  ra0       RT2870 Wireless  ESSID:""  Nickname:"RT2870STA"           Mode:Auto  Frequency=2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated              Bit Rate:1 Mb/s              RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Link Quality=10/100  Signal level:-59 dBm  Noise level:-97 dBm           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid cr
[22:18] <podiki> 0
[22:18] <podiki> beacon:0
[22:20] <podiki> man0riax, thanks for all the help and your time, but I am going to return it to the person I sold it from and ask to set it all up for me.
[22:20] <man0riaX> Hmpf, okay
[22:20] <podiki> thanks anyway


[00:24] <Zoohouse> If I bzr init a dir and then rename the same dir, do I have to run bzr on the same dir once again or will bzr know it's the same dir, only that it was renamed?
[00:42] <saiarcot895> bzr won't care
[00:42] <saiarcot895> in the dir, bzr makes a folder called .bzr, which indicates that this is the top-level directory of a bzr repo
[00:42] <Zoohouse> saiarcot895, Thanks
[00:42] <Zoohouse> gotcha


[06:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:37] <sitter> Riddell: did you fix konsole yet?
[09:37] <sitter> and purpose
[09:43] <sitter> Riddell: did you get a chance to review libkgapi?
[09:58] <sitter> Riddell: please fix rocs
[10:22]  * Riddell makes it sew
[10:24] <clivejo> Riddell: have you time today to teach me about automation
[10:24] <Riddell> clivejo: yeah should do
[10:24] <Riddell> although I realise it needs push power to git so I guess that last step needs to be done by me
[10:24] <Riddell> clivejo: did you get an alioth account?
[10:26] <clivejo> no, apparently Ill need a sponsor
[10:26] <Riddell> clivejo: well I'm happy to do that, what do I need to do?
[10:26] <clivejo> Ive no idea
[10:26] <Riddell> clivejo: how far did you get?
[10:27] <clivejo> I need to have a sustained input into debian
[10:30] <Riddell> um, you do via us
[10:30] <Riddell> clivejo: so do I need to fill in a form or e-mail someone or ping someone on irc?
[10:31] <clivejo> I cant find a form anywhere
[10:32] <Riddell> hmm I'll put it on my todo list to look into
[10:33] <clivejo> Existing Debian Developers acting as sponsors can integrate your work into the project. It is generally best to try and find a developer who is working in the same area as you and has an interest in what you have done.
[10:33] <Riddell> then maybe it needs to be someone like ScottK
[10:33] <Riddell> hmm wait is that for an alioth account?
[10:33] <clivejo>  After you have contributed for some time and are sure about your involvement in the Debian project, you can join Debian in a more official role.
[10:34] <clivejo> well I assume I need to be a Debian Maintainer (DM)
[10:34] <Riddell> shouldn't do
[10:34] <Riddell> just a guest account on alioth
[10:35] <clivejo> I dunno, can make head nor tail of the instructions
[10:35] <Riddell> just fill in this form? https://alioth.debian.org/account/register.php
[10:40] <clivejo> ah got it
[10:40] <clivejo> clivejo-guest
[10:43] <Riddell> clivejo: yay, now I think we just need to ping someone on #debian-qt-kde channel on irc.debian.net please join that
[10:43] <clivejo> https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-kde/
[10:43] <clivejo> there is a join link
[10:49] <Riddell> clivejo: ok try that
[10:49] <clivejo> They want to know why
[10:49] <Riddell> clivejo: to work on kubuntu packaging branches
[10:50] <clivejo> I have a feeling "Cause I want to" wont cut it
[10:50] <Riddell> "how dare you question me! don't you know who I am?!"
[10:51]  * bshah gives last line to phoronix editor.. :p
[10:51] <clivejo> they dont!
[10:52] <clivejo> I'm a nobody!
[10:52] <Riddell> the standard response is "there's somebody here who doesn't know who he is"
[10:52] <clivejo> my request has been submitted
[10:54] <clivejo> and we wait :)
[10:55] <Riddell> sitter: I pushed some fixes to libkgpi, 5.0.0 is out, shall I upload to wily?
[10:57] <sitter> Riddell: I see no fixes
[10:59] <Riddell> sitter: hmm git confusing me, I pushed something
[11:00] <sitter> Riddell: copyright change looks wrong
[11:00] <sitter> otherwise LGTM
[11:00] <Riddell> sitter: fixed
[11:00] <Riddell> sitter: shall I upload to wily?
[11:00] <sitter> yeah
[11:01] <sitter> was planning on doing that once you said you reviewed it :P
[11:01] <Riddell> uploaded!
[11:01] <sitter> ++
[11:02] <clivejo> Riddell: would you have a look at/review plasma-widget-awesome-widgets in my PPA
[11:02] <clivejo> looking for feedback
[11:02] <Riddell> clivejo: now there's a widget that can say "don't you know who I am"
[11:03]  * Riddell requests clivejo's alioth name gets renamed to clivejo-awesome
[11:03] <clivejo> LOL
[11:03] <clivejo> how are you still a guest?
[11:04] <clivejo> dont they know who you are?!?
[11:04] <Riddell> sitter: how come there's a kubuntu_unstable_utopic branch in konsole? are there backport for utopic?
[11:05] <Riddell> clivejo: I'm a nobody in debian, I didn't even wear a debian kilt in this photo https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1380/591734159_0181177ddc_b.jpg
[11:05] <sitter> Riddell: when a repo cannot be CI'd using the generic branch a series branch is created which holds additional changes to make the CI fly on this particular series
[11:06] <sitter> for konsole in utopic that was redirection magic to prevent breaking the konsole4 kpart without having to do a dependency transition in the CI ppa
[11:06] <clivejo> is that you on the left,second one in?
[11:08] <ScottK> clivejo: everyone who isn't a Debian Developer is -guest.
[11:08] <Riddell> clivejo: well spotted :)
[11:14] <Riddell> sitter: fixes pushed for purpose, konsole, rocs
[11:15] <Riddell> clivejo: want to look at the applications upload?
[11:15]  * sitter is still not sure whether to CI libkolab
[11:15] <clivejo> was just about to pop out for lunch
[11:15] <Riddell> let's lunch then
[11:16] <clivejo> but the stink is mighty!
[11:31] <sitter> Riddell: I am not sure letting bugs sit untriaged for eons and then closing them telling people to sod off to another bug tracker is sending the right message :S
[11:38] <Riddell> we should find a maintainer then I guess
[11:39] <sitter> ah yeah
[11:39] <sitter> Riddell: you mean like the 600 odd packages that get bug reports but never any reply?
[11:39] <sitter> I always do wonder why no one maintains these kubuntu packages
[11:59] <soee> Riddell: ping me when you have 3 min for priv talk
[11:59] <clivejo> Riddell: Im free when you are
[12:00] <soee> hehe, looks like hes most wanted atm -.-
[12:01] <clivejo> I wanted him first :P
[12:01] <Riddell> soee: hmm?
[12:03] <Riddell> clivejo: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <clivejo> Riddell: Im there
[12:14] <Riddell> clivejo: groovy, checkout kubuntu-automation scripts
[12:15] <clivejo> where should I work from?
[12:15] <clivejo> didnt you say something about working in /mnt?
[12:15] <Riddell> clivejo: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[12:16] <Riddell> bzr
[12:16] <Riddell> yes I just cd'ed into mnt
[12:17] <Riddell> clivejo: what's in README?
[12:17] <Riddell> clivejo: these scripts are not a shining example of software engineering, they're messy and flakey I'm afraid
[12:18] <Riddell> ok I clicked the pause on kci
[12:18] <Riddell> clivejo: so I think what's needed is to run that staging-upload line
[12:18] <Riddell> as adapted for applications 15.08.0
[12:19] <Riddell> oh we probably need gbp installed
[12:19] <clivejo> is this EC already configured?
[12:19] <Riddell> and export PATH=`pwd`:$PATH
[12:19] <Riddell> clivejo: not really
[12:24] <BluesKaj> yeah dolpin is fianlly using frameworks and qt5 and fianlly uses the colours I assigned for kde apps in system settings
[12:24] <soee> :D
[12:24] <BluesKaj> yay rather
[12:24] <clivejo> Riddell: 5.3.95 ?
[12:24] <Riddell> nope...
[12:24] <soee> BluesKaj: and what do you think about Plasma 5.4 ?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> errfinally even :-)
[12:25] <Riddell> clivejo: applications 15.08.0 http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.08.0/src/
[12:26] <clivejo> Im confused
[12:26] <Riddell> clivejo: we're not packaging plasma
[12:27] <BluesKaj> soee: so far so good, altho X crashed a few mins ago I recovered from the VT
[12:27] <Riddell> clivejo: we're packaging Applications
[12:28] <clivejo> ah thats better
[12:32] <clivejo> whats this about pausing jenkins?
[12:32] <Riddell> clivejo: the script will add a new changelog entry to all the items which will tricker them in the continuous integration system, so I've paused it as there's no need to rebuild it all there
[12:34] <BluesKaj> soee:  altho system settings is still using frameworks and qt4, since it's look and colours havent changed from the 4 defaults
[12:34] <Riddell> clivejo: so go with the staging- script
[12:34] <clivejo> did I break it by trying frameworks?
[12:35] <clivejo> hows that?
[12:36] <soee> BluesKaj: well i can't confirm this as i doubt i have fill 5.4 because of dependency problems i Wily
[12:36] <soee> *full
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yeah it looks partial to me
[12:37] <clivejo> Riddell: will you check that command before I run it?
[12:38] <soee> BluesKaj: but hey, i think today final 5.4 tars should be released :)
[12:38] <clivejo> -t ~/src/applications?
[12:38] <soee> so maybe next week wi will land in Wily
[12:38] <Riddell> clivejo: make sure the -t directory exists, change to mnt/ I guess
[12:39] <Riddell> 5.4 tars are being made on my laptop now
[12:40] <BluesKaj> soee:  ok good, looking forward to it
[12:40] <lordievader> soee: Do you have some staging/beta ppa enabled?
[12:40] <soee> lordievader: nope
[12:40] <lordievader> soee: Did you at any point?
[12:40] <soee> i do not use such here @ work
[12:41] <soee> lordievader: i doubt since i reinstalled whole system some time ago -> Vivid and last week moved to Wily
[12:41] <lordievader> soee: You are running Wily in production?
[12:41] <Riddell> install python-future
[12:43] <clivejo> going well :/
[12:43] <soee> lordievader: sure!
[12:43] <lordievader> soee: Ugh, why do people do this?
[12:44] <soee> lordievader: don't get me wrong but it so boring when all works just fine .. :(
[12:44] <soee> i found it the easies way to learn new stuff - when something breaks :)
[12:45] <lordievader> My philosophy is quite simple, for work you need dependable tools. At home you might have a machine that you don't need everyday, install development os'es on there.
[12:45] <lordievader> soee: Anyhow, could you join #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1, perhaps I can help you with your dependency problem.
[12:49] <soee> lordievader: i'm on them
[12:50] <clivejo> Riddell: who puts the source on depot?
[12:50] <Riddell> clivejo: the release dude which for Applications is usually tsdgeos or someone who volunteers to help
[12:50] <Riddell> clivejo: for Plasma it's me, and I'm running the scripts to make those tars not for 5.4
[12:51] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.08.0/src/
[12:51] <Riddell> for frameworks it's david faure
[12:51] <clivejo> why is it failing?
[12:51] <clivejo> is depot different?
[12:52] <Riddell> clivejo: version number is wrong in that command
[12:52] <Riddell> should be 15.08.0
[12:52] <clivejo> duh
[12:53] <Riddell> hmnm
[12:54] <clivejo> hold on speedy
[12:54] <clivejo> what did you do there
[12:55] <Riddell> clivejo: I just set up ssh to use the right username
[12:55] <Riddell> clivejo: try the script again now
[12:56] <clivejo> so I have to download it all to my local PC?
[12:56] <clivejo> stage it there
[12:56] <clivejo> did I mention my internet sucks!?
[12:57] <clivejo> debuild is failing
[12:57] <clivejo> exit code 29
[12:57] <clivejo> oh its the signing
[12:58] <clivejo> this should work on my own local account
[13:01] <Riddell> clivejo: you don't have to download it all with a handy ec2
[13:01] <Riddell> ah I see a problem
[13:02] <clivejo> but doesnt this cost you money
[13:03] <clivejo> wont it need my key?
[13:03] <Riddell> clivejo: yes although I'll claim it off kubuntu or ubuntu funds when I get round to it
[13:03] <Riddell> clivejo: it'll fail to sign it and then either you or me can do a mass signing at the end
[13:04] <clivejo> can this not be automated further
[13:04] <clivejo> like on a separte machine?
[13:05] <Riddell> clivejo: hope so!
[13:05] <clivejo> Riddell: would a free tier AWS not save you the money?
[13:05] <Riddell> clivejo: I don't think I get free ones as my account is over a year old
[13:05] <sitter> more acccounts
[13:06] <Riddell> need more credit cards, how many bank accounts do you think I have?
[13:06] <clivejo> loads!
[13:07] <clivejo> we could have an array of fre servers on your credit cards!
[13:07] <clivejo> put LP to shame!
[13:09] <sitter> Riddell: move to the US, I am under the impression people there have more than one credit card
[13:10] <mamarley> Many people here are up to their eyeballs in creditcard debt.
[13:11] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[13:11] <sitter> get yourself some debt going :P
[13:11] <Riddell> it's a foolproof plan, you could base a country's economy on it
[13:12] <mamarley> Haha, MURICA!
[13:14] <sitter> badumtss
[13:15] <sitter> you locked me out of my own CI :'<
[13:16] <Riddell> huh?
[13:17] <sitter> it wasn't done reintegrating the epoch change I think
[13:17] <sitter> anywho
[13:17] <sitter> Riddell: I think you broke okteta with some merge, I am not sure I mentioned that yet
[13:18] <Riddell> that sounds not unlike okteta, I'll take a look sitter
[13:33] <clivejo> Riddell: so this method just processes a source tree and ignores the watch files?
[13:34] <Riddell> I forget, you'd need to read the script
[13:34] <clivejo> bedtime reading me thinks
[13:44] <clivejo> Riddell: how long does this staging process usually take?
[13:46] <Riddell> clivejo: dunno I've only done it once before for Applications
[13:46] <Riddell> there's a lot of them
[13:46] <Riddell> that script could do with being threaded
[13:49] <mparillo> Did Dolphin on Wily just get upgraded? I can invoke it by krunner, but not by the Application Launcher. I will be trying a fresh install on the Beta candidate, so maybe this is not a user bug.
[13:50] <clivejo> the launcher .desktop has changed path
[13:50] <clivejo> same with kdepim
[13:51] <clivejo> remove them from your favourites and search for it in applications
[13:51] <yofel> regarding the script: remember that it's not fully automatic. It tries to generate everything, but if the source package doesn't build (patch failure, ...) it'll put stuff in manual/ and you'll have to fix it
[13:54] <yofel> clivejo: and the package list is read from static files in the automation repository
[13:54] <yofel> there is a script in there to list stuff from depot if you need to refresh the list
[13:58] <clivejo> yofel: did you run that script to update all the watch files?
[13:58] <yofel> no
[13:59] <yofel> maybe I'll have time to look at that over the weekend
[13:59] <mparillo> clivejo: Thank you. That worked. So it sounds as if that would not happen on a fresh install.
[13:59] <clivejo> mparillo: it does
[13:59] <clivejo> Im not sure where the favourite links are configured
[14:00] <clivejo> but with porting to KF5 some of the *.desktop files are moving
[14:01] <clivejo> the default favourite links must be hard coded somewhere
[14:02] <clivejo> Riddell: would you know where the default favourite links in Kicker are ?
[14:02] <Riddell> clivejo: kicker or kickoff?
[14:02] <Riddell> kickoff has them hard coded last I looked
[14:02] <clivejo> the kmenu?
[14:02] <Riddell> the default menu is kickoff
[14:03] <clivejo> sorry kickoff then
[14:04] <clivejo> does it need to be reported as a bug?
[14:04] <Riddell> clivejo: what's missing?
[14:04] <clivejo> seems to be just dolphin and kdepim affected at the moment
[14:05] <sitter> Riddell: the desktop file stuff I told d_ed about but didn't file a bug because lazy
[14:05] <Riddell> clivejo: ah right, yes that should be a bug please
[14:05] <Riddell> give me the number and I'll add it to errata
[14:06] <sitter> actually the problem is of slighly bigger scope anway. with pretty much all desktop file names changing to appstream format favorites will keep on breaking
[14:06] <clivejo> do Kubuntu not customise the default favourite aps?
[14:07] <sitter> no
[14:07] <sitter> or maybe, can't remember if that was ported
[14:07] <clivejo> someone mentioned applying a script
[14:07] <sitter> at any rate the problem is not just defaults
[14:07] <sitter> it is all of them
[14:07] <sitter> they are identified in kickoffrc by their file name
[14:07] <sitter> as they change the file name the link breaks
[14:08] <clivejo> maybe we are talking about different bug?
[14:08] <sitter> and all of them are in the process of changing their file name at least when getting ported to kf5 (and that is just considering kde ones, third party ones also need to change to appstream eventually)
[14:08] <sitter> so as they change name kickoffrc doesnt' find them anymore and BAM broken fav
[14:09] <clivejo> oh, you keep in the case of an upgraded system?
[14:09] <sitter> clivejo: nope, it's the same bug on paper it's just that defaults are also broken which doesn't help the case :P
[14:09] <clivejo> you mean?
[14:09] <sitter> clivejo: yep
[14:09] <clivejo> I see :)
[14:09] <sitter> maybe they should be considered separate
[14:09] <sitter> I guess they are
[14:09] <sitter> and yet they are related
[14:09] <sitter> so
[14:09] <sitter> bug 1: present defaults reference old names for things (such as kdepim apps)
[14:09] <sitter> ubottu: :@
[14:10] <clivejo> so far dolphin and kdepim are the only ones broken for me
[14:10] <sitter> bug numba two: kickoffrc cannot track desktop files when they change names thus breaking favs on upgrades
[14:10] <clivejo> tested in a clean wily install and its the same there too
[14:10] <sitter> yes
[14:11] <clivejo> sitter: is there any way to make the kickoff menu bigger?
[14:11] <sitter> and in an upgrade scenario you are running applications 14.12... you would have your dolphin and kdepim by deafult and additionally you added dragon player to favs. you now upgrade to applications 15.08 and all three of those changed name, now all three have broken links
[14:12] <sitter> clivejo: not implemented yet I think
[14:13] <clivejo> grrrr Kontact keeps crashing!
[14:13] <clivejo> and I wanted to know what sitter is doing in randa
[14:14] <sitter> I do not know yet. everything and nothing... as always in randa
[14:14] <sitter> phonon5 is a thing that shoudl happen I have been told
[14:14] <clivejo> plasma in the mountians
[14:15] <sitter> also I really need to exchange CI experiences with sgclark
[14:15] <sitter> also probably mobile stuff depending on where the sprinting goes
[14:38] <clivejo> Riddell: staging finished
[14:38] <clivejo> 13 moved to manual
[14:39] <clivejo> what is git unclean mean?
[14:41] <clivejo> what ya doin speedy?
[14:41] <Riddell> I forget what git unclean means, you'd need to read the script to work it out, fixes welcome :)
[14:42] <Riddell> clivejo: want to sign them and upload them?
[14:42] <Riddell> from your local computer
[14:42] <Riddell> scp ec2-54-159-220-46.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/kubuntu-automation/package-name-lists/applications-wily .
[14:42] <Riddell> then  for asdf in `cat applications-wily`; do echo ${asdf}; debsign -r mnt/src/applications/upload/${asdf}_15.08.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_source.changes; done
[14:42] <clivejo> it was complaining about versions
[14:42] <Riddell> I think, I haven't tested that
[14:42] <clivejo> epoch maybe?
[14:43] <Riddell> gosh I hope not, I did add all the no epoch packages to the list
[14:44] <clivejo> marble was one in the list
[14:44] <clivejo> is there a rush on these?
[14:44] <clivejo> ie could I repeat this myself locall?
[14:44] <Riddell> bother it has added the epoch
[14:45] <Riddell> you could but why would you want to?
[14:45] <clivejo> practice!
[14:46] <Riddell> clivejo: oh you can practice on these plasma tars I'm about to upload
[14:46] <clivejo> can you sign them?
[14:47] <yofel> IIRC git unclean means that the VCS is behind the archive
[14:48] <yofel> e.g. git HEAD says 4:5.9-0ubuntu3, the archive has 4:5.9-0ubuntu5
[15:10] <clivejo> yofel: how do I fix them?
[15:17] <Riddell> clivejo: all packages signed, you can now upload to the staging ppa
[15:17] <Riddell> clivejo: keep it as unreleased in changelog in git
[15:17] <Riddell> until we want to upload to ubuntu archive
[15:18] <clivejo> like that?
[15:18] <Riddell> clivejo: lovely
[15:18] <Riddell> clivejo: oh no
[15:19] <Riddell> clivejo: ubuntu1
[15:21] <clivejo> so I need to do a debcommit?
[15:21] <clivejo> then git-build?
[15:28] <clivejo> Riddell: do you want to sign and push them from here?
[15:31] <Riddell> clivejo: yeah, or you can sign
[15:31] <Riddell> clivejo: is it flashing for you on the .orig tar name when you do an ls?
[15:31] <Riddell> clivejo: you can start by uploading all the ones in upload/
[15:31] <clivejo> I cant get the remote signing to work :(
[15:31] <Riddell> clivejo: I did all the ones in upload
[15:32] <clivejo> yes its flashing
[15:32] <Riddell> that is weird, and annoying
[15:32] <clivejo> it was doing that with the previous one you did too
[15:32] <clivejo> I assumed you did something
[15:35] <Riddell> clivejo: so will you upload the ones in upload/ ?
[15:36] <clivejo> to where?
[15:38] <clivejo> thats not gonna wrong, I need a for loop?
[15:38] <clivejo> work
[15:40] <Riddell> clivejo:  ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications
[15:40] <Riddell> clivejo: yes,  slap in a for loop
[15:42] <clivejo> Riddell: any good?
[15:43] <Riddell> clivejo: looking good
[15:43] <Riddell> clivejo: ah the pesky signature check
[15:43] <Riddell> clivejo: run it again with dput -u
[15:43] <clivejo> grrrr
[15:52] <soee> any thoughts: https://plus.google.com/+AaronDennis/posts/5Azjm5zdn9e ?
[15:53] <clivejo> Riddell: all uploaded
[15:53] <Riddell> clivejo: yay
[15:53] <yofel> soee: $service is refusing to shut down until it hits the 90s kill timeout
[15:54] <Riddell> clivejo: build status will appear here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/
[15:54] <soee> yofel: but this is something that we can fox on our side or it is related to his configuration etc ?
[15:54] <clivejo> Riddell: when will they appear?
[15:54] <clivejo> when they get slots on LP?
[15:55] <yofel> can be anything unless we know exactly what's still running..
[15:55] <soee> yofel: can i quote you in the reply or you want to answer him ?
[15:56] <yofel> feel free to quote me
[16:03] <clivejo> soee: I have experienced this a few times in wily, there was one night it didnt shut down fully at all
[16:04] <soee> since the shutdown script is ficed i think i didn't experianced it
[16:05] <soee> updates - current status in my Wily installation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12136374/
[16:08] <clivejo> Riddell: any idea why kde4libs is empty?
[16:09] <yofel> soee: there is no shutdown script. systemd just asks all services to terminate. If one refuses to do that it will wait a while and then try harder to stop them
[16:11] <soee> and it was systemd some time ago when shutdown was totaly broke in plasma ?
[16:11] <yofel> Riddell: 15.08.10 status? ^^
[16:12] <yofel> hm, why is the depwait parsing broken..
[16:12] <yofel> soee: no, that's something in kde. He says he sees plymouth, meaning that the session quit fine, but some system service is hanging
[16:13] <yofel> shutdown still likes to not work for me when quassel is running. For whatever reason..
[16:13] <yofel> Sput: any remote idea why that could happen? ^
[16:13] <soee> yofel: yes but i wasn't reffering to his issue when talking about shutdown script :)
[16:14] <soee> i just wanted to say that all the problems related to shutdown i had in the past were gone after some fix was released
[16:14] <yofel> if I quit quassel before telling plasma to quit it works, if quassel is running, plasma will quit but after that the logout aborts. If I then shutdown again from krunner it'll work
[16:15] <soee> i called it shutdown script but maybe it isn't good name
[16:15] <yofel> well yeah, since shutdown involves multiple layers
[16:19] <clivejo> Riddell: what is going on with kdelibs?
[16:21] <Riddell> clivejo: oh watch file is wrong
[16:21] <Riddell> cos we have a different packagea name to upstream name
[16:21] <clivejo> its wrong version!
[16:21] <Riddell> change it in the watch file from kde4libs to kdelibs
[16:22] <clivejo> now I didnt expect that to work!
[16:23] <clivejo> why is that flashing?!?
[16:23] <Riddell> no idea at all
[16:23] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html ta da
[16:24] <clivejo> surprise surprise Marble is red
[16:26] <yofel> ah, my qt4 stuff wasn't reverted
[16:27] <yofel> I'll do that later, so you guys fix the rest
[16:28] <Riddell> I'm out for the evening, thanks for helping clivejo!
[16:29] <clivejo> my pleasure, just need to digest what I learned today!
[16:30] <clivejo> Riddell: do you want to turn ec off for the night?
[16:45] <allee> clivejo: maybe you can fix the 'broken fav' in kickof with an update.rc script.  for version >= 15.08.0 check if desktop files listes in favovites exists.  If not remove them.
[16:45] <allee> clivejo: No idea how to add the new desktop filenames in a clean way.  At least the broken one are gone.
[16:49] <allee> clivejo: Mhm, if one invalid favotites entry is found, one could read Favorites for /usr/share/applications ... kickoffrc and add all entries that  are not listed in the user favoirtes list.
[17:07] <allee> clivejo: kickoff fav maybe even better fix: every pkg that changes desktop file add a updaterc script that check kickoffrc in Favorites and Recent and replaces the old desktop filepath with the new desktop filepath.     When one writes a helperscript an update rc script has to do is to run favfixhelper <oldpath> <newpath>
[17:16] <allee> Mhmm, plasma-desktop-appletsrc: atleast  taskbar, icononly and panel  and desktop-bg needs also to be fixed.  Uhm that harder :-( e.g. icononly laucher config is stored as [Containments][13][Applets][14][Configuration][Launchers]  Items= file:///...  and that ignores AFAIU the possibility of several activities :-(
[17:37] <clivejo> allee: I have no idea how to do this!
[17:38] <allee> clivejo: Me too :-)  I check https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tools/Using_kconf_update at the moment.  There are examples in https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tools/Using_kconf_update/
[17:42]  * allee ponders if perlscript like "s|\b$OLDPATH\b|\b$NEWPATH\b|g"  is good enough
[17:43] <allee> oh KF5 examples are in /usr/share/kconf_update/ , kde4 in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/
[18:05] <ahoneybun> whats wrong with kdebugsettings?
[18:18] <allee> clivejo: highway is calling. bb later
[18:18] <clivejo> allee: ok, have fun
[18:25] <clivejo> ahoneybun: what do you find wrong?
[18:25] <ahoneybun> nothing
[18:25] <ahoneybun> it is just red
[18:25] <ahoneybun> but LP has no error
[18:25] <ahoneybun> s
[18:25] <ahoneybun> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214415428/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kdebugsettings_4%3A15.07.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:26] <clivejo> where is it red?
[18:26] <ahoneybun> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html
[18:27]  * ahoneybun grabs food
[18:29] <ahoneybun> clivejo: you think Riddell turned off that ec2?
[18:29] <clivejo> ahoneybun: we uploaded 15.08 stable apps today
[18:29] <ahoneybun> all?
[18:34] <clivejo> ahoneybun: we uploaded 15.08 stable apps today
[18:34] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html
[18:34] <ahoneybun> I see that...
[18:34] <clivejo> sorry, internet problems on my end
[18:40] <clivejo> yofel: you about?
[18:41] <yofel> now yes ^^
[18:41] <clivejo> LOL
[18:42] <yofel> ahoneybun: see the very first tiny line of the output on the script, that package is 15.07.90
[18:42] <clivejo> for the last version of okteta I got sitter to apply a patch
[18:42] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/okteta.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=6db5e94b0fe4f28458c2ed2f0b928b47abd34e2a
[18:42] <yofel> yes?
[18:42] <clivejo> now in 15.08 version the file is back in the original location!
[18:42] <yofel> ...
[18:43] <ahoneybun> yofel: wrong verison?
[18:43] <clivejo> can the patch be reverted?
[18:43] <yofel> ahoneybun: yep
[18:43] <ahoneybun> well
[18:43] <ahoneybun> that is a simple fix lol
[18:43] <yofel> clivejo: sure, actually, you can just run "git revert 6db5e"
[18:44] <clivejo> I mean on alioth?
[18:44] <yofel> ah, you didn't get approved yet? Then I'll do it
[18:45] <clivejo> the build error is cp: cannot stat 'debian/tmp/usr/share/oktetapart/oktetapartbrowserui.rc': No such file or directory
[18:45] <clivejo> but its -- Installing: /«PKGBUILDDIR»/debian/tmp/usr/share/kxmlgui5/oktetapart/oktetapartbrowserui.rc
[18:45] <yofel> huh, that's already reverted..
[18:46] <clivejo> but why not in the kubuntu_wily_archive branch?
[18:46] <yofel> oh, you need a revert revert...
[18:46] <clivejo> yofel: what branch does the automation tools use?
[18:47] <yofel> they commit to wily_archive
[18:47] <yofel> I'll revert haralds revert
[18:49] <clivejo> will that fix it?
[18:49] <yofel> now wait a moment
[18:49] <clivejo> the patch looks right
[18:50] <clivejo> but for some reason the patch wasnt applied in the automated run?
[18:50] <yofel> wait, something's wrong here
[18:52] <yofel> Riddell: why?!? http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/okteta.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=ff26a755c04084c7ac06f1fdaa3f123dbd81d23c
[18:56] <yofel> clivejo: fixed..
[18:56] <clivejo> will you restart LP please?
[18:57] <clivejo> how do you do that BTW
[18:57] <yofel> git-buildpackage-ppa -S; dput
[18:57] <yofel> in this case, if you don't have to change anything LP offers a retry button
[18:58] <clivejo> have I permission to dput to staging?
[18:59] <yofel> only if you're a member of ~kubuntu-ppa in some way
[18:59] <clivejo> Im Kubuntu Packagers and Yellow belt
[19:00] <yofel> then not
[19:00] <clivejo> so on the EC I was using Riddell's id?
[19:00] <yofel> if he did the remote debsign, yes
[19:01] <clivejo> he did
[19:01] <clivejo> I couldnt get mine working
[19:01] <clivejo> but I think Ive fixed that now
[19:01] <clivejo> stupid ssh agent wasnt working proper
[19:02] <yofel> gpg agent you mean
[19:02] <yofel> I guess we could think about adding you to ninjas slowly, you roughly know what you're doing by now
[19:02] <clivejo> some kind of agent
[19:02] <clivejo> he/she was on strike
[19:03] <yofel> heh
[19:03] <clivejo> very roughly
[19:04] <yofel> the reason why ~kubuntu-ppa is rather restricted is that you also get write access to the updates and backports ppa. i.e. you get root access to the machines of a not-so-tiny part of our userbase
[19:09] <clivejo> that wouldnt be good if I was evil
[19:10] <yofel> exactly ;)
[19:21] <clivejo> yofel: did you restart okteta?
[19:21] <yofel> it's already built
[19:22] <clivejo> is the QA on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html more strict?
[19:23] <clivejo> only seems to be 7 lintian warnings on cantor to turn it red
[19:24] <yofel> cantor is red because it's 15.07.90
[19:24] <clivejo> oh yeah, its in the manual folder
[19:24] <clivejo> but I thought Riddell and I fixed it
[19:25] <yofel> well, if you did, nobody uploaded it
[19:25] <clivejo> oh maybe he didnt sign it and dput
[19:25] <yofel> it doesn't magically get put into the upload/ folder by itself
[19:25] <clivejo> well it should ;)
[19:25] <clivejo> we need more magic
[19:25] <yofel> write a script for it :P
[19:25] <yofel> where's the server? I can debsign if you want
[19:26] <clivejo> are you on the ec access list?
[19:26] <clivejo> ec2-54-159-220-46.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[19:26] <clivejo> you helped ahoneybun didnt you?
[19:26] <yofel> apperently yes
[19:27] <yofel> okay..
[19:29] <yofel> clivejo: do you have the end of the script output still?
[19:29] <clivejo> which bit?
[19:29] <yofel> the error summary at the end
[19:30] <clivejo> not the whole of it
[19:30] <yofel> meh, I need to make it write that into a file
[19:30] <clivejo> just that cantor  kde4libs  gwenview  kde-baseapps  kde-l10n  kdepim  kdepimlibs  kdepim-runtime  libkexiv2  marble  okular  rocs  step couldnt be built and moved to manual
[19:32] <yofel> why did that fail then..
[19:33] <yofel> who the hell had the idea to make symlinks flash
[19:33] <yofel> well, I can't find anything wrong here..
[19:35] <yofel> clivejo: signed
[19:35] <clivejo> I accidentally closed the session I was in
[19:35] <yofel> well, just reconnect, that's why we use byobu
[19:35] <clivejo> I thought Riddell was going to shut it down for the night
[19:35] <clivejo> and typed "exit"
[19:36] <yofel> oh, that's where the shell went I guess
[19:36] <clivejo> yeah :(
[19:36] <clivejo> we had setup the shell with path to automation scripts#
[19:38] <clivejo> yofel: do you know why that is flashing?
[19:38] <clivejo> did you dput?
[19:38] <yofel> it's a symlink, but why it's flashing... dunno
[19:38] <yofel> nope
[19:39] <clivejo> yofel: that look ok?
[19:40] <yofel> clivejo: yeü
[19:40] <yofel> yep..
[19:41] <yofel> now let me try something
[19:41] <clivejo> go ahead
[19:43] <clivejo> clever cookie
[19:43] <yofel> nightmare stopped
[19:44] <yofel> ok, cantor be building
[19:44] <yofel> just so we know it's done
[19:45] <yofel> ping me when you need another signature
[19:45] <clivejo> I think we did this one
[19:45] <clivejo> can you sign that please
[19:46] <clivejo> I got up to kde4libs and got stuck
[19:46] <yofel> signed
[19:47] <clivejo> moved it up a directory?
[19:47] <yofel> yep
[19:48] <clivejo> this one confused the hell outta me
[19:48] <clivejo> why is version only 4.14.11?
[19:49] <yofel> because it's frozen at 4.14, only bugfix releases
[19:50] <yofel> dunno why they kept that one version intact though...
[19:50] <clivejo> how do you pattern match the watch file for http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.08.0/src/kdelibs-4.14.11.tar.xz ?
[19:50] <clivejo> got too different versions?
[19:51] <yofel> I think uscan doesn't care about the version, it looks for the first file that the path matches for
[19:51] <clivejo> it doesnt care about the tar version?
[19:52] <clivejo> or the directory with the version number?
[19:52] <clivejo> I fixed the name
[19:53] <yofel> actually, no idea, I can't remember when I last tried something like that..
[19:53] <yofel> but yeah, uscan seems happy with your file
[19:55] <clivejo> how do I commit that change to the watch file?
[19:59] <yofel> wth
[19:59] <clivejo> this one confused the hell outta me
[20:00] <clivejo> I gave up
[20:00] <yofel> oh wow, we haven't bothered with kdelibs for a while
[20:00] <clivejo> 2004
[20:01] <yofel> uhm, where did you guys get the source package from?
[20:02] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kde4libs.git/
[20:02] <yofel> but.. oh wait, that's santa
[20:03] <clivejo> 15.10?
[20:03] <yofel> thanks..
[20:04] <yofel> oh great, patches don't appy
[20:04] <yofel> *apply
[20:04] <clivejo> the patch has fuzz, dont you just hate fuzz on your patches
[20:05] <yofel> it would be too easy otherwise
[20:05] <yofel> *sigh*
[20:05] <clivejo> yeah, this is where I got totally stuck
[20:06] <clivejo> so whats the difference in push and push -a?
[20:07] <clivejo> how did you do that!?!?
[20:07] <yofel> -a = --all
[20:07] <yofel> push just applies a single patch
[20:07] <yofel> thankfully, we only had 2 patches with fuzz, nothing that needed by-hand fixing
[20:07] <clivejo> so you just pushed them one at time?
[20:08] <yofel> yep, the shell shows that, doesn't it :P
[20:08] <clivejo> yeah
[20:08] <clivejo> but I dont understand
[20:08] <clivejo> when I push -a it came up with ton of errors
[20:09] <yofel> it shouldn't have..
[20:10] <yofel> only debuild will throw a rather large error
[20:10] <clivejo> so if I encounter that problem again push them one by one
[20:10] <clivejo> and do a refresh if I hit fuzz?
[20:11] <yofel> yes
[20:11] <clivejo> ah
[20:11] <yofel> signed if you want to upload
[20:12] <yofel>  oops
[20:12] <yofel> my fault
[20:13] <ahoneybun> clivejo: http://file.pizza/shrimp-cilantro-squid-squash
[20:13] <clivejo> ahoneybun: ?!?
[20:14] <ahoneybun> FilePizza
[20:14] <ahoneybun> peer-to-peer file sharing
[20:14] <yofel> interesting (the logo)
[20:15] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/kern/filepizza
[20:15] <clivejo> thanks, now I have craving for pizza
[20:15] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:19] <clivejo> yofel: can I run git-buildpackage-ppa here?
[20:19] <yofel> yes
[20:20] <clivejo> why is it picking up the wrong version?
[20:21] <yofel> for whatever reason, this package aborted before the changelog was added..
[20:21] <yofel> wait
[20:21] <yofel> why is that unreleased o.O
[20:22]  * clivejo shrugs
[20:23] <yofel> well, go ahead and fix the changelog by hand
[20:23] <yofel> and stop using dch -i, just dch is enough
[20:23] <yofel> and no, that has to say UNRELEASED
[20:25] <clivejo> what is the -i flag for?
[20:25] <yofel> fix the missing space before your name above
[20:25] <yofel> -i means --increment, which is why it said ubuntu2. In the OLD dch mode, it would always make a new changelog entry with that
[20:26] <clivejo> oh
[20:26] <yofel> in the current one it just force-bumps the version. Adding a new entry only depends on UNRELEASED or not
[20:26] <clivejo> is that ok?
[20:26] <yofel> yep
[20:27] <clivejo> rm the build area?
[20:29] <yofel> meh, that stupid gbp still can't handle that
[20:30] <yofel> ...what?
[20:30] <yofel> oh
[20:30] <yofel> there we go
[20:33] <clivejo> is that pushing the changes back to alioth?
[20:33] <yofel> yes
[20:33] <clivejo> as Riddell?
[20:33] <yofel> yep ^^
[20:33] <clivejo> I cant do that until I get an account?
[20:34] <yofel> no... but you can impersonate him in the meanwhile
[20:34] <clivejo> can I dput it?
[20:34] <yofel> just don't push somewhere other than kubuntu_wily_archive
[20:34] <yofel> yes
[20:35] <yofel> and I'll have to leave for today, good luck at fixing the rest. Maybe someone else can sign
[20:36] <clivejo> might leave it
[20:36] <clivejo> getting tired
[20:36] <clivejo> dont want to do anything silly
[20:39] <clivejo> thanks yofel :)
[20:42] <clivejo> ahoneybun: what is the icon for?
[22:51] <snele> search in dolphin doesn't work if file search (indexing/baloo) is disabled
[22:52] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/?b/mE/vvY7cxp/snapshot1.png
[22:52] <snele> i found one bug report and it says "resolved downstream"
[22:52] <snele> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339866
[22:52] <snele> this happens in wily
[22:53] <snele> can anyone confirm this (or mine system is broken)?