 Just that I don't want to 'assume' anything. If I'm exporting a directory on a logical volume through nfs, and if one of my clients will be windoz, do I have to format the logical volume in something like fat or ntfs?
[01:26] <Unit193> You are asking if the host has to use NTFS/Fat to share, over NFS, to windows, right?  Answer is no, but windows can't read from NFS by default last I knew.
[01:28] <ClientAlive> sort of, I guess
[01:29] <ClientAlive> The directory I want to share with my vm clients will be on a logical volume. In order to put a directory on a logical volume I imagine I have to format it with some file system. One of my vm's is win 7, the others are *nix
[01:32] <ClientAlive> I've spent several days looking around on the internet, been on #networking, #ubuntu, and no luck so far. I guess I can do the ol' trial and error bit but that sux.
[01:36] <Unit193> Well, since ntfs-3g is pretty good nowdays, you could just use NTFS and be done...
[01:38] <ClientAlive> yeah
[01:38] <ClientAlive> suppose the only reason it's even a question for me is I would prefer to use a linux fs. Ah well
[01:39] <ClientAlive> then can my *nix guests read the ntfs share?
[01:40] <Unit193> Should be able to, if I understand what you're trying to do.
[01:41] <ClientAlive> just trying to set up a shared storage space for all my vm's is all. Just that one windows outlier throwing a wrench in things  :>
[01:41] <ClientAlive> so to format ntfs-3g you do a "mkfs.ntfs"   ??
[01:41] <ClientAlive> or is it something diff?
[01:42] <Unit193> ntfs-3g is a driver for linux to write to NTFS partitions, you may as well use gparted, but then again you typically just go into the virtualmachine's settings and set a folder as shared with it, at least you do in VBox.
[01:44] <ClientAlive> hmm...  Now, what you just said, is something else I had wondered about. I'm running kvm and use virt-manager. virt-manager has some configuration area for that but I don't know anything about it.
[01:44] <Unit193> Not used kvm, too lazy, sorry.
[01:46] <ClientAlive> is virtual box pretty good these days? I remember you had to install some extra thing before (about a year ago now) in order to get devices working and to free your pointer and such.
[01:47] <Unit193> "GuestAdditions" now are easily installable from jockey. :D
[01:49] <ClientAlive> that's what it was: GuestAdditions
[01:51] <ClientAlive> right on
[01:51] <ClientAlive> Well thanks man. Peace out...
[10:26] <DarkSim> Hello
[10:29] <DarkSim> Is anyone here?
[11:27] <DarkSim> Nuking my installation
[13:51] <Bentheplantguy> Need help mounting external drive.  No /media/external mount point.  fdisk -l  not showing device
[14:06] <geirha> Bentheplantguy: does it work elsewhere?
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> dmesg shows "[ 1292.952107] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4219.289871] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, address 3
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4250.052035] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4393.020626] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, address 4
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4399.636033] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5"
[14:07] <holstein> !paste
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[14:08] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would plug the drive in, and i would run in a terminal "sudo fdisk -l" without the quotes
[14:08] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would do as geirha is suggesting and try it on another machine
[14:10] <Bentheplantguy> don't have one on had.  but i think i tried another machine before.  not recognizing.  i think my old dell crashed a while ago which resulted in unsafe unmounting of device.  fdisk -l only shows internal HD partition.  Am i screwed?  i don't care about any info on the device, i just need to get stuff on my machine backed up
[14:14] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: you have a lot of "think" up there.. if you have access to *any* machine, maybe a friends machine, or some public one, you could save yourself a lot of hassle... if the stick doesnt work on multiple machines, you can pretty safely assume the stick is bad
[14:14] <Bentheplantguy> WD 3T external
[14:15] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: its just an external drive... *all* drives fail.. id say, that drive could be bad, but i wouldnt say that means you are "screwed" in any way
[14:15] <Bentheplantguy> can I format drive even though i can't mount it, then start mount from scratch?  if fdisk -l isn't listing a name, then i don't know how to force mount.
[14:17] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: its the drive is broken, or damaged, it might not show up... if its not showing up, you cant mount it.. i would use a CD such as the ultimate boot CD, or gparted live, and see if you can see it
[14:17] <holstein> if its broken, its broken.. you can format a broken drive
[14:18] <Bentheplantguy> cannot* ?
[14:19] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: correct..
[14:19] <Bentheplantguy> damn....
[14:19] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would use a live CD and see if you see the drive, and test it
[14:19] <holstein> i dont trust hard drive tests unless they take 2 hours :)
[14:20] <Bentheplantguy> what do you mean use a live CD?  and how do i test it?
[14:20] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: one of the live CD's i mentioned above
[14:21] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ for example... you boot with it, and test the drive in question.. assuming it's showing up
[14:22] <holstein> but, this is not always as simple as it sounds.. theres a reason why the hardware tech at your local shop would charge you for this test
[14:24] <ImWidUonDat> QUESTION PLEASE:  I am new at Linux.  Want to set up: dual boot Win7 and Ubuntu Precise Pangolin (12.04) -  with LAMP for a website testing environment.   Reasons I should install server edition versus desktop edition?
[14:24] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: ubuntuserver *is* ubuntu
[14:25] <ImWidUonDat> Isn't there a choice between desktop and server only edition?  I am wondering if the desktop might just be "in the way".
[14:25] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: if you want a desktop enivronment, you might want to install ubuntu, xubuntu or kubuntu... one of the distros that come with a destkop environment
[14:25] <Bentheplantguy> yeah, i'm a bit rural...  it isn't showing up, that's the problem.  /media wasn't automounting a /media/external folder.  so i kmdir /media/external.  unplug/replug device.  spins up, but nothing is recognized.  dmesg shows device auto-disconnecting.
[14:25] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: desktop is not "in the way" if you need a desktop
[14:25] <ImWidUonDat> About a week ago I installed the desktop version on an old laptop.
[14:25] <Bentheplantguy> I'll try ultimate boot and see if that gets me anywhere
[14:26] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: you can run any/all server services on a desktop machine
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Now I am ready to do a dual boot on my desktop computer - but want to use the ubuntu mainly for testing a wordpress website.
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Just don't know if the server only edition is too technical.
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Wondered if you had any suggestions.
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Thx
[14:26] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: its not a bad way to get started.. also some of these were helpful to me, since they are live and ubuntu based http://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[14:27] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: i see no issue with having a desktop edition to get started
[14:27] <holstein> i have command line only boxes that run headless with no desktops, but i didnt start that way
[14:29] <ImWidUonDat> Holstein:  Thank you for the link.  I will check it out.  It sounds like perhaps I should install the desktop until I am more familiar with it.
[14:30] <stlsaint> i love turnkey boxes. using one now for LAMP :D
[14:31] <holstein> yup.. and i discovered a lot of software from trying those turnkeys that i probably wouldnt have found on my own
[14:35] <stlsaint> +1
[14:40] <Bentheplantguy> HD boots to MAC device.  but sudo fdisk -l still doesn't recognize
[14:40] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: mac device?
[14:41] <Bentheplantguy> macbook
[14:42] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l wont work in OSX... i would use the disk utility in OSX to format the drive to something friendly like FAT
[14:44] <Bentheplantguy> no no, i plugged it into a mac, and it auto mounted.  i safe ejected and plugged it back into my ubuntu Dell.  sudo fdisk still doesn't recognize.  so hard drive isn't shot, there's just something wrong with my ... OS kernel?
[14:45] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: maybe
[14:45] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would just do this though...
[14:46] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: plug it in where it is recognized, in OSX, and format it to something friendly.. like FAT
[14:46] <holstein> likely not a kernel issue that makes that one device not "show up"
[14:47] <holstein> try it in other USB ports
[14:49] <Bentheplantguy> tried other ports, and ran dmesg and fdisk.  same results.  going to format in OSX.  does FAT 16 or 32 make a difference?
[15:10] <Bentheplantguy> "Disk Erase failed with the error Invalid request"  Is there another way to format?
[15:56] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: if its failing, you might have issues like that
[15:56] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: if you see it in OSX, test it, and format it there
[15:57] <holstein> format it to literally whatever you can get it to format to... i would try blanking it, or try FAT32
[17:03] <bobweaver> ok it is uploading says 3 min left there ae somethings that I left out that need to also be put into video more about the dash like filter options I fogot and also work-space-switch I will make 2nd video that will have all that in i t
[17:03] <bobweaver> what is up with the r key on this keyboard :\
[17:04] <bobweaver> but I would like as much feed back as possible thanks
[17:04] <bobweaver> oh this is the wrong channel lol
[17:04] <bobweaver> facepalm
[17:19] <datadave> hello
[17:20] <bobweaver> hello datadave
[17:21] <datadave> hey, not sure if im in the right place, but i am v new to this ubuntu and want to learn and have a play
[17:22] <bobweaver> sure I will brb have to switch computers
[17:22] <datadave> also trying to deal with the kids too so might be slow in responding
[17:24] <holstein> datadave: is it installed?
[17:24] <holstein> if not, look at and play around with the LIVE CD.. even if it is installed, the live CD is a great place to play around since you cant permanently break anything
[17:25] <holstein> you can also make a seperate user account to "break", or try things in the guest account that is included
[17:25] <datadave> yep am running 12.04
[17:25] <holstein> if you dont want to learn by trial and error, or breaking things, then i say, just take it slow, and try to get some tasks accomplished in ubuntu
[17:26] <datadave> thats what i would like. but what i dont know is what it can do and i dodnt know what i dont know if you know what i mean :-)
[17:27] <holstein> well, you are on here.. thats one thing
[17:27] <bobweaver> datadave,  learn Unity keyboard shortcuts
[17:27] <bobweaver> lots of fun to play with
[17:27] <holstein> open a web browser and search around, thats another...
[17:27] <datadave> i also having running on  dell d600 crappy laptop. will it perform ok? not bothered about games
[17:27] <holstein> playing a CD.. play a DVD..
[17:27] <bobweaver> datadave,  search this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzlSOcncqQ8&feature=youtu.be
[17:28] <datadave> i have downloaded torrents etc
[17:28] <bobweaver> ahh I have a d610 running
[17:28] <bobweaver> 12.04
[17:28] <datadave> cool
[17:28] <holstein> datadave: running "ok" is up to you.. i could do quite a bit on that hardware, but you might find it unacceptable
[17:28] <datadave> i am not sure what i want to do with it really
[17:29] <holstein> datadave: yup.. so take your time, and see what comes up
[17:29] <bobweaver> datadave,  you have all the extra cool stuff installed ?
[17:29] <datadave> he kids need to use a windows laptop for school so this is for me to play on
[17:29] <bobweaver> aka ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:29] <datadave> how do i install that?
[17:29] <bobweaver> open software center
[17:30] <datadave> yep
[17:30] <bobweaver> in search bar enter
[17:30] <bobweaver> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:30] <bobweaver> click on package and install
[17:30] <bobweaver> :)
[17:30] <datadave> whats in it?
[17:31] <bobweaver> this will install flash and all the ms fonts needed for libreoffice extra
[17:31] <bobweaver> and java stuff
[17:31] <holstein> datadave: i would also suggest a bit of a "look before you leap" mentality
[17:31] <holstein> not that theres anything wrong with that metapackage...
[17:32] <holstein> arguably, if you dont need java, then you are creating an unecessarly security risk
[17:32] <bobweaver> that metapackage is great but holstein  is right you should look
[17:33] <datadave> thats on its way thank you. is libraoffice any good>
[17:33] <holstein> i usually just install ubuntu-restricted-extras though... it simiplifies getting flash and other things working
[17:33] <holstein> datadave: libreoffic is *not* word... i think its the best product available
[17:33] <holstein> if you want word, use word
[17:33] <holstein> libreoffice is awesome
[17:34] <datadave> is it like ms office?
[17:34] <bobweaver> you can see all the packages info that you need with some commands
[17:34] <holstein> datadave: its not ms office
[17:34] <datadave> ok cool, such as?
[17:34] <holstein> its not ms word
[17:34] <holstein> its much better in my opinion
[17:34] <bobweaver> open terminal  (ctrl+alt+t )
[17:34] <bobweaver> apt-cache search <program >
[17:35] <bobweaver> like
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache search ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> also
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache policy  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> woops
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache dump policy  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> that is better
[17:35] <bobweaver> that will give you alot information about packages
[17:36] <datadave> are packages like .exe files?
[17:36] <bobweaver> kinda
[17:36] <bobweaver> we use deb
[17:36] <bobweaver> they are are binarys
[17:36] <datadave> aah, so deb are exe files per se
[17:38] <datadave> you can tell im a newbie...haha
[17:39] <bobweaver> kinda
[17:39] <bobweaver> but there are little things that are different
[17:39] <bobweaver> not that imporant at this stage that you are at
[17:45] <bobweaver> the imporant thing that i think that most users should learn and could be wrong here. But learn that Ubuntu is not hard in fact can be easy. You can use Ubuntu with pout the terminal all you like and I encourge that for the 1st couple of weeks. but search software center install some cool stuff. There is also Ubuntu advantage it is 105 usd a year and it is great support  you may look into that also for your 1st year as a Ubuntu use
[17:45] <bobweaver> r it is a great program and "feeds the fuel" for Ubuntu hiring developers and testers and well just about everything
[17:47] <datadave> blimey. crashed on me
[17:48] <datadave> i need to put kids to bed so back soon.
[17:49] <bobweaver> blimey ?
[17:49] <bobweaver> !info blimey
[17:49] <datadave> as i was saying earlier, id like to read up on a book like ubuntu for dummies etc etc
[17:49] <datadave> !info blimey?? eh?
[17:49] <bobweaver> there are great books in the software center
[17:49] <bobweaver> datadave,  that was for the bot
[17:49] <bobweaver> but it did  not pick it up
[17:49] <bobweaver> !bot
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[17:50] <datadave> i dont follow you?
[17:50] <bobweaver> not important
[17:50] <datadave> am i being a dumbass?
[17:50] <bobweaver> No
[17:50] <bobweaver> not at all
[17:50] <bobweaver> :)
[17:51] <bobweaver> so there is a bot that we use in this channel
[17:51] <datadave> oh right
[17:51] <bobweaver> and also other channels to help us sometimes
[17:51] <datadave> i suppose these kids need to go to bed. back soon ish
[17:51] <bobweaver> cya have fun :>)
[17:52] <datadave> yeah, they are going mental. are u in the US?
[17:52] <datadave> im in MAnchester UK
[17:55] <bobweaver> I am in the states yes
[17:57] <bobweaver> datadave,  http://madlab.org.uk/content/tag/manlug/
[17:58] <bobweaver> http://ubuntu-uk.org/
[18:00] <bobweaver> There also looks to be someone there local that teaches classes http://www.nobleprog.co.uk/ubuntu/training/manchester
[18:26] <Bentheplantguy> Formatted in OSX Disk Utility, still didn't work in ubuntu.  did verify, then repair.  external HD automounted right away in ubuntu.  not sure the diagnosis, but know the fix now.  ~thank you to all for the patience and help.
[18:38] <Bentheplantguy> Trying to format HD.  mkfs.ntfs not recognized as command.  is there an alternative?
[18:50] <stlsaint> Bentheplantguy: why using command line to format?
[18:56] <Bentheplantguy> don't know what else to use
[18:58] <Bentheplantguy> my profile has admin rights, and is password protected.  but my sudo/profile password isn't working for removing apps.  any ideas?
[19:01] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would just use gparted
[19:01] <holstein> its a GUI that'll do the job
[19:01] <holstein> or i would just format it in OSX and use it
[19:02] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: in a terminal, run this
[19:03] <holstein> sudo -s
[19:03] <holstein> enter your password... should say something like... root@host
[19:04] <holstein> exit will get you out of the root terminal.. if you do not get to root terminal, then you are entering the password incorrectly, or you have a serious issue
[19:05] <datadave> thanks, i will look at the uk site
[19:06] <datadave> so, what other basic tips have you got for me?
[19:07] <holstein> datadave: just keep it simple... come up with a task.. learn to do it
[19:07] <holstein> burn a CD.. rip a CD.. watch a movie... print something
[19:09] <Bentheplantguy> i got to the root terminal with that password, but it still didn't work to uninstall app.
[19:10] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: what app? what command? what error?
[19:10] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i say, keep it simple, and use a package manger like synaptic til you get comfortable
[19:11] <holstein> or, the software center
[19:12] <Bentheplantguy> software center.  found app. (tried with Wine and Nepomuk).  pressed remove key.  got the password prompt.  password not recognized
[19:12] <Bentheplantguy> what's the terminal command line?  i'll try that
[19:12] <Bentheplantguy> sudo apt-uninstall -Wine?
[19:23] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: depends on what you are trying to remove
[19:24] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: it will be the same password as you use in the sudo command.. if it fails, it will fail everywhere
[19:25] <Bentheplantguy> apt-get remove [file name].  it's only failing in software center.  same password is working for profile, sudo, root access.  just not sftwr cntr
[19:25] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: cool.. im going to assume, and suggest that you assume you are typing the password in incorrectly
[19:26] <Bentheplantguy> if you say so.  i've been typing it incorrectly then for months, and only in that one very specific location.
[19:27] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i could be wrong, and i dont use the software center, and i suggested another GUI package manager synaptic
[19:27] <holstein> use what works...
[19:27] <Bentheplantguy> yep, got to find it though
[19:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:29] <Bentheplantguy> does that just get you synaptic package manager?
[19:32] <Bentheplantguy> i just did an apt-get install for nepomuk (source of all my problems right now) and after reading state information, it says unable to locate package.  i'm trying to repair the install, but software center isn't recognizing my password.
[19:47] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would just troubleshoot the errors as they come
[19:47] <holstein> not sure what nepomuk is, and i have never used it... though i still suggest using synaptic
[19:47] <Bentheplantguy> k, may be biting off more then i can chew
[19:48] <holstein> you cant use multiple package managers at the same time
[19:52] <Bentheplantguy> nepomuk was the backup software that came with my version of ubuntu.  i tried using it when i got my hard drive hooked up, but it come back with the error "The Nepomuk backup service does not seem to be running.  Backup cannot be handled without it."
[19:53] <Bentheplantguy> i used synaptic to install all the updates for everything related to "nepomuk", but it still doesn't work.  know of better backup software?
[19:54] <holstein> sure
[19:54] <holstein> just drag what you want backed up over to a hard drive
[19:54] <holstein> or, share the error you are experiencing.. i would imagine it could be the hard drive is formatted FAT and needs to be ext
[19:55] <holstein> theres backintime.. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/back-in-time-a-simple-backup-tool-for-ubuntu.html
[19:58] <Bentheplantguy> well that's the error message when i try to open the program, so probably not the hard drive.  still need to format that back to NTFS.  OSX only gave me the options of FAT, FAT extension, and a bunch of Mac OSX extentsion formats.  sot sure how to use disk utility to format to NTFS
[19:58] <Bentheplantguy> I'll try backintime though
[19:59] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: likely needs to be ext for nepomuk
[19:59] <holstein> feel free and share the *exact* error message
[20:00] <Bentheplantguy> exact error message when program is opened "The Nepomuk backup service does not seem to be running.  Backups cannot be handled without it."
[20:00] <holstein> sure. give the error you get with you start the service
[20:01] <holstein> that error is just that.. the service is not running... so get it running, and troubleshoot from there
[20:01] <Bentheplantguy> so i figured repair or reinstall would fix whatever software problem is occurring
[20:01] <holstein> i doubt it
[20:01] <Bentheplantguy> well the window give you the options finish or cancel.  pressing finish exits the program
[20:02] <holstein> i dont think you are having a software problem.. i think you had a drive with errors that has been repaired, and you are using some backup software that you are unfamiliar with
[20:03] <holstein> maybe ask in #kubuntu?
[20:03] <holstein> seems like that app is a KDE app
[20:04] <holstein> i would start it from the command line and look for and report errors
[20:04] <Bentheplantguy> yeah, it KDE app.  i'll check that forum.  thanks for gparted
[20:04] <holstein> #kubuntu would have more kde users
[20:05] <holstein> maybe you should try using ubuntu with the integrated backup tool
[20:06] <Bentheplantguy> i don't know about the integrated backup tool.  what does it do?
[20:07] <holstein> well, i havent tried it, but AFAIK, it backs up... does what you are looking for
[20:07] <holstein> so does backintime
[20:08] <bobweaver> I use it all the time it is easy and a great tool
[20:08] <holstein> bobweaver: which?
[20:08] <bobweaver> we are talking Deja-dup
[20:08] <bobweaver> correct the built in backup thingy
[20:08] <holstein> cool.. maybe try that one Bentheplantguy
[20:08] <bobweaver> Have used with Ubuntu One rsync to server and also to backup to different partition
[20:09] <Bentheplantguy> k, i'll see what #kubuntu has to say, then check those out.  i have a 7 year old, almost broken, Dell that is limping along on ubuntu.  i haven't updated in almost a year cuz last time i lost some file for my network card that allowed it to recognize wireless networks
[20:09] <bobweaver> Bentheplantguy,  what is card ?
[20:09] <bobweaver> brodcoom ?
[20:09] <bobweaver> er spelling
[20:10] <bobweaver> broadcom ? ralink ?
[20:11] <bobweaver> Wireless card that is
[20:11] <Bentheplantguy> yeah, i think so.  broadcom.  bcmwl5.sys was lost.  took me almost a week to figure that one out, get it downloaded to a flash drive at a local library, and get it installed in the right place. > (
[20:12] <bobweaver> ahh you are on machine ?
[20:12] <bobweaver> can you give out put of
[20:12] <Bentheplantguy> what is the built in backup?
[20:12] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep 14e4
[20:12] <Bentheplantguy> i really don't know many commands, but if you give me prompts i can run it through terminal
[20:13] <bobweaver> out of the box Ubuntu comes with Deja-dup a tool for backing things up there is many many options
[20:13] <bobweaver> ok Bentheplantguy  if you would like to know what any of these commands do just ask but open a terminal
[20:13] <bobweaver> enter in
[20:13] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep 14e4
[20:13] <bobweaver> what is the number in Red ?
[20:14] <bobweaver> should be something like  [14e4:4312]
[20:15] <Bentheplantguy> I got two.  [14e4:170c] and [14e4:4311]
[20:15] <bobweaver> [14e4:4311]   <-- that is card #
[20:15] <bobweaver> You can paste them lines here ?
[20:16] <Bentheplantguy> you need the whole line?  why for?
[20:16] <bobweaver> to see if there is a LPphy  enter
[20:16] <bobweaver> to see if your card is low powered or not
[20:17] <Bentheplantguy> 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[20:17] <bobweaver> just need the one from 14e4:4311
[20:17] <bobweaver> thansk
[20:17] <bobweaver> It is not low powered
[20:17] <bobweaver> now lets look at drivers that are installed for that
[20:17] <bobweaver> in terminal
[20:17] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:18] <bobweaver> this will install a tool to make it easy to pastebin us stuff
[20:18] <bobweaver> !pastebinit
[20:18] <ubot2> pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:18] <Bentheplantguy> k, i'm doing a file drop backup at the moment.  so it might take a minute to do anything
[20:18] <bobweaver> ok
[20:19] <bobweaver> bottom line is this broadcoom often has errors and install the wrong flippen drivers
[20:19] <bobweaver> using additinal drivers
[20:20] <bobweaver> if you read the page for b43 (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43)   you will learn that your card is supported by 2 drivers one being the B43 and the other being the WL  I like the B43 more then the WL as the WL can cause head sores on updates
[20:24] <bobweaver> you can check to see what driver is loaded with the command        lsmod              then search the list if the wl is loaded and not the b43 (meaning shows up on that list) then arghh there be lay's trouble e'mat'e
[20:25] <Bentheplantguy> k, downloaded.  what now?
[20:26] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:26] <bobweaver> oh sorry
[20:26] <bobweaver> lsmod |pastebinit
[20:26] <bobweaver> then there will be link in terminal paste that link here plz
[20:27] <bobweaver> like so
[20:27] <bobweaver> ~$ lsmod |pastebinit
[20:27] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029275/
[20:27] <bobweaver> that is my lsmod
[20:29] <Bentheplantguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029278/
[20:31] <bobweaver> O_o  I see neither the b43 or the WL   how did you install before ?
[20:31] <bobweaver> did you manual put stuff in /usr/lib ?
[20:31] <bobweaver> like all the firmware and what not
[20:31] <bobweaver> nm  errr I hate seeing this     ndiswrapper           192828  0
[20:32] <bobweaver> so you are using windows driver for your card
[20:32] <bobweaver> with ndiswrapper
[20:32] <bobweaver> you do not need such headaches
[20:33] <Bentheplantguy> HAHAHA, yeah.  that's all i could figure out before.  i needed access right away (finals week).  and that's all i could find on good forums for quick fixes
[20:33] <bobweaver> you got ethernet cable that you can jack into ?
[20:33] <bobweaver> also lets see a
[20:33] <Bentheplantguy> no
[20:33] <bobweaver> free -m | pastebinit
[20:34] <Bentheplantguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029289/
[20:35] <bobweaver> thanks "free" shows how much ram you have
[20:35] <bobweaver> you have a gig
[20:35] <Bentheplantguy> i know, not much
[20:35] <bobweaver> which is fine with Ubuntu
[20:36] <Bentheplantguy> i can't run google earth or picasa though.  kinda sad
[20:36] <bobweaver> ok to fix your wireless scramble this is what you need to do
[20:38] <bobweaver> open terminal
[20:38] <Bentheplantguy> k
[20:39] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter && sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[20:39] <bobweaver> thouse are the packages that you need to get the b43 going
[20:39] <bobweaver> then
[20:39] <bobweaver> sudo modprobe b43
[20:39] <bobweaver> then
[20:39] <Bentheplantguy> give me the whole thing, cuz last time i did this i lost connection
[20:40] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[20:40] <bobweaver> ok
[20:40] <bobweaver> I have wrote tutorial for this on Ubuntu forums
[20:40] <bobweaver> post #44 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10796508
[20:41] <Bentheplantguy> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:41] <Bentheplantguy> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:41] <bobweaver> ahh something else is installing
[20:42] <Bentheplantguy> synaptic was open
[20:42] <bobweaver> or apt is open in other places ?synaptic?
[20:43] <bobweaver> funny when two people type at the same time :)
[20:44] <Bentheplantguy1> .... ahh thank god.  that killed my connection for a second
[20:45] <bobweaver> lsmod | pastebinit
[20:45] <Bentheplantguy1> actually, that thread is what i read a year ago.  so belated thank you
[20:45] <bobweaver> lol
[20:45] <Bentheplantguy1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029314/
[20:45] <bobweaver> thansk
[20:46] <bobweaver> good job !
[20:46] <bobweaver> now
[20:46] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper
[20:46] <bobweaver> to get rid of it for good
[20:46] <bobweaver> ndiswrapper that is
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> $ sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> Reading package lists... Done
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> Building dependency tree
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> Reading state information... Done
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> E: Unable to locate package ndiswrapper
[20:48] <bobweaver> open synaptic and look for it and un-install it
[20:49] <bobweaver> And I am also sorry that I did not warn you that you would lose connect for a sec
[20:51] <Bentheplantguy1> no worries.  free help is always appreciated.  nothing a beer can't fix
[20:51] <bobweaver> lol
[20:51] <Bentheplantguy1> k, i have a couple ndiswrapper in synaptic.  which do i remove?
[20:51] <bobweaver> Bentheplantguy1, oh gezz
[20:52] <bobweaver> !screenshot
[20:52] <ubot2> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it.
[20:52] <bobweaver> :)
[20:53] <bobweaver> lets also see a
[20:53] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep VGA
[20:53] <bobweaver> see if we can fix you google earth troubles
[20:54] <Bentheplantguy1> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03)
[20:55] <bobweaver> glxinfo | grep direct
[20:55] <Bentheplantguy1> http://imagebin.org/215555
[20:55] <bobweaver> thanks
[20:55] <Bentheplantguy1> direct rendering: Yes
[20:55] <bobweaver> does not look like anything is install that is a good thing
[20:56] <Bentheplantguy1> k, just familiar and available?
[20:56] <bobweaver> direct rendering: Yes    that is also a good thing
[20:56] <bobweaver> if they where installed they would be green
[20:56] <bobweaver> 1 min
[20:59] <bobweaver> sorry about that phone calls from stores that want to carry Ubuntu
[20:59] <Bentheplantguy1> no worries
[20:59] <bobweaver> here is a picture of my synaptic  http://imagebin.org/215556
[21:00] <bobweaver> see how the installed things are green
[21:00] <Bentheplantguy1> yeah
[21:00] <Bentheplantguy1> can you help me out with gparted?
[21:00] <bobweaver> sure
[21:00] <bobweaver> I can try
[21:00] <bobweaver> what is question
[21:01] <Bentheplantguy1> got it running.  identified ext HD.  and of partition name has red warning with key.  wont let me unmount.  i want to format fat32 to ntfs so i can run large backups
[21:01] <Bentheplantguy1> mkfs.ntfs isn't a recognized command in terminal though, so i don't know how else to do it manually
[21:02] <Bentheplantguy1> brb
[21:03] <bobweaver> ok when you get back Take a screen shot of gparted and post :)
[21:05] <bobweaver> also a
[21:05] <bobweaver> sudo fidisk -l
[21:05] <bobweaver> er
[21:05] <bobweaver> not that
[21:05] <bobweaver> sudo fdisk -l
[21:05] <bobweaver> that
[21:09] <Bentheplantguy1> separately?
[21:11] <bobweaver> yup
[21:11] <bobweaver> no
[21:11] <bobweaver> sudo fidisk -l    < typo      should be     sudo fdisk -l            < that is a l like llama
[21:12] <Bentheplantguy1> http://imagebin.org/215557
[21:13] <bobweaver> cd /media && ls
[21:13] <Bentheplantguy1> what is the best backup software?  that's what i'm setting this all up for anyway
[21:13] <bobweaver> I like deji dump
[21:13] <bobweaver> lets you use many options
[21:13] <Bentheplantguy1> cdrom  cdrom0  external  index.html  MY BOOK
[21:14] <bobweaver> ok
[21:14] <bobweaver> cd
[21:14] <bobweaver> thenn
[21:14] <Bentheplantguy1> i mkdir before i figured out how to get the HD to connect.  useless directory now
[21:14] <Bentheplantguy1> external that is
[21:14] <bobweaver> ahh
[21:14] <bobweaver> cd ~
[21:14] <bobweaver> then
[21:15] <bobweaver> sudo umount /media/MY\ BOOK/
[21:15] <bobweaver> then close gparted and open again
[21:16] <Bentheplantguy1> bwadman@bwadman-laptop:~$ sudo umount /media/MY\BOOK/
[21:16] <Bentheplantguy1> umount: /media/MYBOOK/: not found
[21:17] <bobweaver> you need a space after the \
[21:17] <bobweaver> sudo umount /media/MY\ BOOK/
[21:17] <bobweaver> see how there is a space after the \
[21:18] <bobweaver> you can use tab completion for things like this  like  sudo umount /media/M   <-- press tab button two times fast
[21:18] <Bentheplantguy1> yep, got it.  what is purpose of \ ?
[21:18] <bobweaver> it is a escape character in bash
[21:19] <Bentheplantguy1> ok, no more warning or key
[21:19] <bobweaver> :)
[21:20] <bobweaver> you may now play with that harddrive
[21:20] <Bentheplantguy1> format to: ntfs not available
[21:20] <bobweaver> I take it , it is a usb backup thing
[21:20] <bobweaver> ok
[21:20] <Bentheplantguy1> SS USB 2/3
[21:20] <bobweaver> there is one last thing that you can do in order for me to help
[21:20] <bobweaver> watch this
[21:21] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoY4e7TGTNI&feature=g-upl
[21:21] <Bentheplantguy1> i have remote desktop
[21:21] <Bentheplantguy1> haven't used it for a while though
[21:21] <bobweaver> you have teamviewer ?
[21:22] <bobweaver> has to be teamviewer for my sake
[21:22] <bobweaver> to cover my ass
[21:22] <bobweaver> aka record session
[21:22] <bobweaver> that way I am in the clear
[21:22] <Bentheplantguy1> o ok.  makes sense.  no i think it's just ubuntu's remote desktop viewer
[21:22] <bobweaver> and can provide video proff
[21:23] <bobweaver> Do not give password here PM me
[21:23] <bobweaver> if you want this sorta help
[21:38] <bobweaver> Bentheplantguy1,  I am going to log into your system.  You are here by letting the Ubuntu member Joseph Mills irc nick bobweaver  log into and record the session. do you agree
[21:39] <Bentheplantguy1> i agree
[21:39] <bobweaver> cool
[21:39] <bobweaver> pm me info


[17:15] <mbana> hey guys
[17:15] <mbana> anyone around?  anyone used jconsole
[17:18] <mbana> i always get a connection failed when trying to connect to a java app


[01:50] <smoser> rharper, generators run multiple times in boot
[01:50] <smoser> not really happy about htat.
[01:50] <smoser> but, i guess for now i'll just let it be.


[19:36] <mup> PR operator#848 opened: Add storage attribute to StorageEvent docstring (#764) <Created by amandahla> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/848>


[07:22] <cjwatson> mapreri: I've added quote marks to clarify; the <code /> markup evidently isn't enough
[08:08] <mapreri> cjwatson: better, yes. thanks!
[09:55] <Laney> can someone remind me how to get to the BPPH index for a package or what the URL pattern is please?
[09:55] <wgrant> Laney: Can you explain exactly what you're trying to do?
[09:56] <wgrant> BPPHs don't themselves have web pages.
[09:56] <Laney> I want to check on a promotion
[09:56] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/DISTRO/SERIES/ARCH/BINARY
[09:56] <wgrant> Perhaps the simplest URL of a non-root object in the entire application.
[09:57] <Laney> Cheers
[16:01] <marcoceppi> Can't push to the parent branch? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11993950/
[16:02] <cjwatson> marcoceppi: You aren't a member of ~juju-deployers, which owns that branch ...
[16:03] <cjwatson> So that seems correct.
[16:03] <marcoceppi> cjwatson: oh, lame
[16:04] <marcoceppi> thanks
[16:38] <Ben_1> hi
[16:39] <Ben_1> is there a way to download the source of mysql from launchpad without using bazaar?
[16:42] <dobey> apt-get source mysql ?
[16:43] <Ben_1> mysql 5.1.73 on fedora
[16:45] <dobey> what are you trying to get exactly? launchpad.net is not the upstream hosting site for mysql. if you want the latest trunk of mysql, you should probably pull it from the upstream location.
[16:46] <Ben_1> i want the source code of mysql 5.1.73 to build it on fedora
[16:46] <dobey> then go download it from mysql.com
[16:47] <dobey> launchpad.net is not the upstream hosting site for mysql
[16:49] <Ben_1> on mysql.com there is no 5.1.73 source or I can't find it. RPM packages are not available for fedora on mysql.com
[16:50] <dobey> well it's a very old version, you're probably going to have to dig deeper to find it
[16:50] <dobey> there is nothing we can do about that here though. you should contact the mysql developers about where to get a specific veresion of their project.
[16:50] <dobey> maybe try #mysql
[16:51] <Ben_1> https://code.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/5.1
[16:51] <Ben_1> there is the branch and I just want to download the source
[16:51] <dobey> launchpad.net is just a hosting site. and may have some mirrors of things
[16:52] <dobey> we do not control whether upstream developers upload tarballs of specific versions to launchpad or not though
[16:52] <Ben_1> that's not what I thought
[16:52] <Ben_1> but other hosting pages have functions to zip the source of a specific revision
[16:52] <Ben_1> s
[16:53] <Ben_1> I tried to download it with bazaar but just have the invisible .bzr dir not the sourcecode
[16:53] <dobey> you can download a tarball of a revision from launchpad as well
[16:53] <Ben_1> that was my question :P
[16:53] <Ben_1> how? I can't find this function
[16:54] <dobey> go to the revision and there is a very obvious "download tarball" link
[16:55] <Ben_1> ok I will try thanks :)
[20:41] <mark06> cjwatson: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/pidgin++/trunk/revision/362
[20:45] <dobey> no context?
[20:49] <mark06> just feedback/thanks about the mentioned bug, any idea when it can be released?


[01:21] <tarvid> can I rig auto play for DVDs?
[01:32] <tarvid> installed ivman
[01:33] <tarvid> but hardly know what to do next
[01:35] <tarvid> i can play dvds manually
[01:36] <tarvid> want to put his in a media room where people can drop in dvds and go grab some popcorn
[01:36] <somerville32> tarvid, hi
[01:36] <tarvid> ho somerville32
[01:37] <somerville32> tarvid, Do you have Thunar volume manager enabled?
[01:37] <tarvid> i have the application and just brought it up
[01:37] <tarvid> the dvd is mounted as a file system
[01:38] <somerville32> tarvid, Applications > Settings > Settings Manager. Click on File Manager
[01:38] <somerville32> On the advanced tab, is "Enable volume management" checked off?
[01:39] <tarvid> xfce settings manager, looking for an advanced tab
[01:39] <tarvid> under file manager preferences?
[01:40] <tarvid> enable volume management is checked
[01:40] <somerville32> And if you click configure and then the multimedia tab
[01:40] <somerville32> Is it configured to launch gxine when you insert a dvd?
[01:42] <tarvid> totem dvd:/
[01:43] <tarvid> gxine wants /dev/dvd
[01:43] <tarvid> this box was installed with a cdrom
[01:44] <tarvid> then the cdrom was replaced with a dvd rom
[01:44] <tarvid> the a symbolic link was added /dev/cdrom -> /dev/dvd
[01:46] <somerville32> It should be: gxine -S dvd:/
[01:46] <tarvid> i can manually play the dvd from Movie Player which is totem (I think)
[01:46] <tarvid> I'll try that but gxine does not play dvds
[01:47] <somerville32> I suggest you install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:49] <tarvid> completed
[01:49] <somerville32> Hopefully it'll work for you now
[01:50] <tarvid> just reinserted
[01:50] <tarvid> gxine doesn't work manually
[01:50] <somerville32> Does it work automatically though? haha
[01:51] <tarvid> totem works manually but doesn't autoplay with totem dvd:/
[01:51] <tarvid> there is no /dev/dvd
[01:52] <somerville32> right
[01:53] <tarvid> totem will take /dev/cdrom
[01:54] <tarvid> but gxine won't
[01:54] <tarvid> 08:53:14 PM: xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd:/]
[01:54] <tarvid> but
[01:55] <tarvid> 08:53:14 PM: xine: found input plugin  : DVD Navigator
[01:56] <somerville32> weird
[01:57] <tarvid> installing vlc
[01:57] <tarvid> kind of messy, a little more shouldn't hurt too much
[01:57] <tarvid> bet there is somewhere I can tell xine to look at /dev/cdrom instead of /dev/dvd
[01:59] <tarvid> the lack of /dev/dvd must be in udev somewhere
[01:59] <tarvid> so much to learn
[02:00] <tarvid> but xubuntu seems lighter than ubuntu
[02:01] <tarvid> installed dsl on a 500 Mhx p III with 128 tonight and it seemed fast enough
[02:01] <tarvid> this is an 1100 Athlon with 256
[02:01] <tarvid> not bad in xubuntu
[02:02] <tarvid> vlc works manually
[02:02] <somerville32> You can just change the command
[02:03] <somerville32> You can set it to anything you like
[02:03] <tarvid> i'll try anything twice, three times maybe
[02:10] <tarvid> i get a mount instead of running the application, is there some place to turn of automount but only for dvd media
[02:12] <somerville32> Yea, same place
[02:19] <tarvid> should I expect a manual command to work when plugged into configure, multi media, video cds?
[02:19] <somerville32> yup
[02:20] <tarvid> then is a bug report appropriate?
[02:21] <somerville32> tarvid, sure
[02:29] <tarvid> looking for the bug tracker for xubuntu in launchpad, not the right place apparently
[02:30] <somerville32> You can file it against the xubuntu-desktop package for now
[02:44] <tarvid_> dhcp reset dropped connection
[02:44] <tarvid_> another bug?
[02:45] <somerville32> I don't think so
[02:47] <tarvid_> did see the nm-applet doing its thing
[02:47] <tarvid_> networking is back
[02:47] <tarvid_> i saw the applet with the little red x then the rotating arrows once
[02:48] <tarvid_> another time it just came back on its own
[02:48] <tarvid_> this box is an orphan
[02:48] <tarvid_> windows 2000 broke (constant reboots) and it wasn't worth fixing the Windows install
[02:49] <tarvid_> a little wimpy for regular ubuntu so I installed xubuntu
[02:49] <tarvid_> is that a wise choice
[02:49] <somerville32> Xubuntu is faster
[02:50] <tarvid_> that is probably true even for a decent box
[02:51] <somerville32> Yup
[02:51] <tarvid_> fspot a reasonable alternative to gthumb
[02:51] <tarvid_> ?
[02:52] <somerville32> It'll bring in a bunch of gnome dependencies
[02:52] <somerville32> and mono
[02:52] <tarvid_> need a simple resizer converter
[02:52] <tarvid_> maybe crop
[02:53] <tarvid_> gimp is heavy for my usual needs
[02:53] <tarvid_> although the svg import has been handy
[02:57] <tarvid_> thank you much for the help, it did get me around a bit, i'm learning
[04:28] <sancas> Someone believes that this is true??
[04:28] <sancas> http://www.abadiadigital.com/noticia2615.html
[04:32] <grahamperrin> sancas: I can't comment on the Compiz Fusion aspect but I have had Ubuntu and Kubuntu alterate desktops installed to first and second generation iMacs. Only recently discovered Xubuntu
[04:34] <sancas> Aaaaaa this well grahamperrin thanks for your opinion
[05:58] <dave__> i am seeking some help with my dell inspiron 1100 im trying to set the graphics on 1024x768 but im getting mixed responses
[05:58] <dave__> from forums and people
[06:25] <mikubuntu> heeeelllllp :)  bought 10 old dell towers at county auction today.  trying to install xub on the first one, and getting hung up installing grub, and also lilo.  get the message could not install grub to /target/... any ideas?  info card says i have 512 ram, pent II 350, installing to 10 gb hard drive.
[06:29] <scizzo-> mikubuntu: it can't write to the partition or something?
[06:29] <ere4si> I'd check the bios for any protection measures - and try with a partition for /boot
[06:32] <mikubuntu> scizzo-: i don't know what ezackly.  was loading for the longest time, base system, software, etc, then when i got to grub install failed.  tried over and over, then tried lilo, and same failure.  on lilo it said error message '1'
[06:33] <mikubuntu> ere4si: on lilo it offers to install to a 'new ubuntu partition' but that fails as well.  what kind of protection measures would there be in the bios?  me not too smart :(
[06:34] <mikubuntu> on the installation menu there is an option to 'execute a shell' does that mean pull up a terminal?  if so, is there anything i could do through a terminal?
[06:35] <ere4si> sometimes there are options to protect the mbr etc - a read through the bios options will surely show if any exist
[06:35] <mikubuntu> i hate to abort the install, i took /a really long time/
[06:36] <mikubuntu> so i would have to abort to do that i guess
[06:36] <ere4si> shell = terminal  - try "find grub"
[06:36] <dave__> im trying to back up my xorg.conf whats the command to copy files? wc? or something
[06:36] <ere4si> cp for copy
[06:37] <dave__> thanks long night of drinking
[06:37] <mikubuntu> lemme try
[06:37] <mikubuntu> brb
[06:37] <ere4si> e.g  sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.confbackup
[06:38] <ere4si> k
[06:38] <dave__> yep got it thanks
[06:38] <dave__> trying to fix these gamn graphics
[06:40] <dave__> brb wish me luck
[06:40] <mikubuntu> ere4si: ok, terminal 'find grub' output = no such file or directory ... is it possible to make the file or directory with the shell and then retry grub or lilo install?
[06:46] <ere4si> mikubuntu: the install should put grub where it has to go - did you try something different or did it go wrong by itself?
[06:46] <ere4si> !dualboot
[06:46] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[06:50] <mikubuntu> ere4si: no, it just went wrong.  i'm not smart enough to deviate
[06:50] <mikubuntu> without /close/ supervision
[06:53] <ere4si> mikubuntu: seems like there might be a protection in the bios for the mbr (maybe) - from here the only suggestion I can give is to look there
[06:57] <bboxet> ere4si: i just installed xubuntu on my dell inspiron 1100 laptop and i have been trying to set it to display the 1024x768 resoultion.
[06:57] <mikubuntu> hmmmmm.... oh, well, thanks for your help.  trying to google the prob, but not really getting any good hit yet
[06:57] <bboxet> ive googled for information on how to fix it. ive done all the xorg.conf crap that i came across
[06:57] <bboxet> nothing is working
[06:58] <ere4si> bboxet: brb
[06:58] <bboxet> alright
[07:00] <mikubuntu> ere4si: i got these boxes from the county auction, and they 'had' windows running on them and i guess wiped off.  here is a comment from someone at linuxforums, do you see anything in his statement that might apply to me? : I'm officially retarded...
[07:00] <mikubuntu> The problem was that I had left my Windows partition in my lilo.conf . After removed that section, all is well.
[07:01] <ere4si> mikubuntu: your getting grub to install now?
[07:01] <ere4si> bboxet: which video driver are you using?
[07:02] <bboxet> its on vega right now
[07:02] <bboxet> the forums are tellling me this needs i810
[07:02] <ere4si> bboxet: isn't the display on that laptop a widescreen?
[07:02] <bboxet> i dont think so
[07:03] <bboxet> its not really new or anything
[07:03] <bboxet> i edited the xorg.conf according the forums
[07:03] <bboxet> it boots but the screen is completely black
[07:03] <bboxet> this is a older laptop i guess
[07:04] <bboxet> i dont think its wide screen
[07:04] <mikubuntu> ere4si: no, that was what a guy on linux forums posted
[07:05] <mikubuntu> ere4si: i was just wondering if it could apply to me also
[07:05] <ere4si> bboxet: reboot into the rescue kernel and at the prompt that appears type  -   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      and choose the defaults exept for the video driver - scroll up and select i810
[07:06] <ere4si> mikubuntu: if there was a complete format off the drive then probably not - there was windows there before right - no linux
[07:07] <ere4si> mikubuntu: can you check the bios on one of the other comps?
[07:09] <mikubuntu> ere4si: ya it was windows.  good idea, i'll check another machine.  i'll be awhile no doubt, thanks for your help
[07:09] <ere4si> k
[07:14] <bboxet> ere4si: sorry video messed up
[07:14] <bboxet> yeah so i can't get i810 to work properly
[07:14] <ere4si> with the i810 driver?
[07:14] <ere4si> k
[07:14] <bboxet> also another question
[07:14] <bboxet> i dont have a start up screen at all
[07:15] <ere4si> found this - http://www.meyerloewen.net/dellinux/
[07:15] <bboxet> i recall something about editing the grub loader?
[07:15] <bboxet> ere4si: i already did that
[07:16] <ere4si> bboxet: a menu at boot? is that what your after there?
[07:16] <bboxet> no
[07:16] <bboxet> isnt there a start up screen? like a splash screen?
[07:17] <ere4si> yep - you need to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file as sudo
[07:17] <bboxet> k cool
[07:18] <ere4si> scroll down to where it says  "end default options"
[07:22] <bboxet> im stumped with the video
[07:23] <ere4si> bboxet: found this link - read the bottom post - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/have-a-dell-inspiron-1100-with-slow-video-or-640x480-video-resolution-solution-here-132135/
[07:25] <bboxet> ere4si: this is from 2004
[07:27] <ere4si> bboxet: so's the laptop :) - most sites say that adding lines for the vert & horiz sync to xorg and deleting all resolutions except 1024x768 is what works
[07:28] <bboxet> im going to do another thing real quick
[07:28] <ere4si> k
[07:48] <bboxet> ere4si: im stumped.
[07:48] <ere4si> bboxet: what did you try?
[07:49] <bboxet> hold on
[07:50] <bboxet> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190022
[07:50] <bboxet> i tried that and numerous other sites
[07:55] <ere4si> bboxet: what about the bios update? - one poster that couldn't get it working was given the suggestion of going to dell's' site for the free bios update
[07:55] <bboxet> i have a32 installed
[07:55] <bboxet> the latest bios update
[07:56] <ere4si> k
[07:58] <ere4si> can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[07:58] <ere4si> !paste | bboxet
[07:58] <ubotu> bboxet: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:10] <dave__> ere4si: this is bboxet
[08:10] <dave__> i didn't get it to work lol im stumped?
[08:11] <dave__> back to the forums
[08:14] <ere4si> paste wouldn't work for bboxet?
[08:15] <ere4si> seems it might just be something simple in your xorg from all the posts I've read now
[08:44] <Steve14> i could solve my resolution problem with changing my nvidia tnt2 to a geforce fx5200 :) I can get sound now also, cause i changed the soundblaster to a 6XFire :D
[08:54] <ere4si> my tnt2 works ok - just needed the right driver
[09:09] <Steve14> is there a way to get seamonky as a debian package? icould only find iceape in an very old version only :/
[09:09] <Steve14> *a
[09:33] <grahamperrin> Steve14: what's iceape?
[09:38] <Steve14> grahamperrin: some customized debian seamonkey built :(
[09:39] <grahamperrin> ty
[11:02] <slow-motion> hi
[13:03] <Distress> Hello, I have a problem with xubuntu login, am I in the right channel?
[13:04] <TheSheep> yes
[13:04] <TheSheep> tell us more about your problem :)
[13:04] <Distress> Well, when trying to login, I get a message like  "$home/.dmrc file is being ignored"
[13:05] <Distress> I googled it, and found several solutions, none of it worked...
[13:06] <TheSheep> try to remove that file
[13:06] <TheSheep> it contains your default session and language
[13:07] <Distress> um, that's why am here, I have no idea how to do that (my knowledge of copmuter language is zero...)
[13:07] <Distress> this is the full message I got:
[13:07] <Distress> “User’s $HOME/.dmrc” file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permission. User $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users”
[13:08] <TheSheep> Distress: well, just go to your home directory, enable displaying of hidden files, and move that file to trash
[13:08] <Distress> how do I do this?
[13:14] <TheSheep> Distress: click on the 'home' icon on your desktop
[13:14] <TheSheep> double click, actually
[13:15] <Distress> ah, but I cannot login to my desktop at all
[13:15] <Distress> this happens when I try to login
[13:15] <TheSheep> what happened just before it started?
[13:16] <Distress> nothing much, I was downloading stuff, then at restart I got that message at login
[13:17] <Distress> i found this at ubuntu forums:
[13:18] <Distress> Press <Ctrl><Alt>F2 and log in with your username and password. Then, at the prompt, run
[13:18] <Distress> Code:
[13:18] <Distress> sudo chmod 644 /home/username/.dmrc
[13:18] <Distress> sudo chown username:username /home/username/.dmrc
[13:18] <Distress> but after loging in with my username and pasword, the console asks for my password again
[13:21] <TheSheep> this means the password was wrong
[13:22] <Distress> so I cannot enter the second code
[13:22] <Distress> no I got the pass right, then I entered the first code "sudo chmod 644 /home/username/.dmrc ", then it asked me again for my pass, so I don't get a chance to enter the second code
[13:25] <TheSheep> Distress: just enter your pass second time
[13:26] <Distress> I do it, then it says Sorry, wrong password, or something like that. I did it a hundred times so I cannot be wrong with the pass...
[13:27] <slow-motion> bbl
[13:31] <TheSheep> Distress: is this the same user tha was created when you installed xubuntu?
[13:34] <Distress> yes, it's the same user
[13:36] <TheSheep> then you should be allowed to run sudo
[13:37] <TheSheep> Distress: what happens when you type 'sudo -s' and enter your password?
[13:38] <Distress> you mean in the ctrl+alt+F1?
[13:41] <Distress> it says: /bin/bash: password: no such file or directory
[13:46] <TheSheep> Distress: seems like your system is very broken
[13:46] <TheSheep> Distress: missing important files
[13:48] <Distress> how can that be, I didn't mess with anything...
[13:48] <Distress> I would do a clean reinstall but I have a big music library stuck....
[13:49] <Distress> is there anything I can try before I drop everything and reinstall?
[13:49] <TheSheep> Distress: boot the livecd and backup your important files
[13:49] <TheSheep> Distress: it's possible that your hard disk drive got broken
[13:50] <Distress> okay, how do I backup with the livecd? where is that option?
[13:52] <TheSheep> Distress: you will see an icon of your disk on the desktop, you can just go in there and copy the files you need on a thumbdrive or burn on a cd
[13:53] <Distress> but I cannot access my desktop, it's at the login that I recieve the message
[13:53] <TheSheep> Distress: that's why you need to boot from the livecd
[13:53] <TheSheep> Distress: I just realised you cannot burn your files to a cd when you're running from a livecd
[13:54] <Distress> yeah :)
[13:54] <Clark_der_TeXnic> Hello
[14:09] <Distress> to hell with this, I'm going back to windows
[14:09] <Distress> thanks anyway
[14:19] <russellking> hello?
[14:20] <TheSheep> hi russellking
[14:20] <russellking>  hey! my first response from someone in the linux community WOOT
[14:21] <russellking> ok, i just got xubuntu installed from a live cd on a magazine, and I've been interested in learning linux for a while now
[14:21] <russellking> up until now, i've been a microsoft xp (pshhh got fed up of exceptions) user
[14:22] <russellking> so, erm, this is my first port of call, so to speak
[14:22] <TheSheep> great
[14:22] <TheSheep> there is a xubuntu user guide to help you get oriented
[14:23] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[14:23] <TheSheep> if you have any questions, just ask
[14:24] <russellking> tanks
[14:24] <TheSheep> you don't have to read it all in one go, of course ;)
[14:25] <TheSheep> ah, there might be some differences, because things change and are not always updated in time
[14:27] <russellking> lol my keyboard has already gone wonky
[14:27] <russellking> sorry
[14:27] <russellking> ..
[14:28] <russellking> so far, i have not updated in anyway - i'm using 7.04
[14:28] <russellking> and i have absolutely no idea how to start programming in linux, and have about 1% knowledge of the cli commands
[14:29] <russellking> and why has my keyboard turned into an american?
[14:31] <russellking> GR
[14:32] <russellking> ok - how do i stop the computer using x config when i change my keyboard layout?
[14:33] <TheSheep> russellking: I don't know, but I know how to change thedefault X config
[14:34] <TheSheep> russellking: open a terminal and type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[14:34] <TheSheep> russellking: then go through the configuration, accepting all defaults, except for the thing you want to change
[14:36] <russellking> thanks - just going through the vdeo adapter stuff now
[14:47] <russellking> SHEEP? its still using the x config, and it still thinks my keyboard is american. I keep telling it to stop using an accent, but it doesn't listen to me.
[14:47] <russellking> i'll look it up in a faq somewhere
[15:02] <magic_ninjai> any IT professionals in here
[15:03] <magic_ninjai> hi TheSheep long time no see
[15:03] <Russellking> heya thesheep - worked after reboot
[15:03] <Russellking> thanks
[16:47] <sancas> hello!!!!
[16:47] <sancas> I wonder if someone could put the effect of the cube in his xubuntu
[16:47] <TheSheep> !compiz
[16:47] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[16:48] <TheSheep> Russellking: sorry, I was commuting
[17:03] <magic_ninjai> TheSheep: how did that contracting deal with the school go
[17:03] <magic_ninjai> TheSheep: i remember you talking about it a long time ago
[17:05] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: it didn't work out
[17:05] <magic_ninja> thats no good
[17:05] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: they go with a different person
[17:06] <TheSheep> probably
[17:06] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: this is a discussion for xubuntu-offtopic, btw
[17:06] <magic_ninja> i'm putting in a resume for a computer tech job where i work tomarrow, i'm on the floor in a factory atm, but hopefully i get it :-)
[17:44] <TeXnicer> Äh, moin
[17:44]  * TeXnicer poltert herein
[17:54] <TeXnicer> [XChat2] Wie kann man beim Start mehrere channels betreten? Leerzeichen und Komma geht nicht...?
[17:54] <TheSheep> !de
[17:54] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:58] <TeXnicer> TheSheep: erm *dow*
[17:58] <TeXnicer> !dow
[17:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dow - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:59] <TeXnicer> I like to have Xchat2 joining more than one channel during startup but he takes only first argument...
[17:59] <TeXnicer> seperators like " " or "," do not work. anyone a clue?
[18:00] <TheSheep> TeXnicer: try asking on xchat
[18:13] <culb> #channel,#channel,#channel
[18:13] <culb> xchat tells you that
[18:46] <Russellking> are you still in TheSheep?
[18:47] <Russellking> (if you are, you should get out - thats just sick)
[18:48] <PeckaH> IRC can be accessed by many ways
[18:48] <Russellking> programming ones own irc client being the hardest
[18:53] <TheSheep> Russellking: sorry
[20:40] <emdash> what's the deal with this unsigned security update
[20:40] <emdash> how can you have an unsigned security update?
[20:40] <emdash> Version 1:1.3.0-0ubuntu1.1:
[20:41] <emdash> for packages xserver-xorg-core
[20:41] <emdash> and libxfont1
[20:42] <TheSheep> emdash: who are you talking to?
[20:48] <emdash> it showed up in my update manager
[20:51] <TheSheep> if you want to reach the developers, write to the -dev mailing list
[20:59] <charding> Anyone know where the .schema files go for XFCE?
[20:59] <charding> for panel applets
[21:00] <TheSheep> charding: I think that xfce doesn't use gconf
[21:01] <charding> but gnome applets work in xfce?
[21:01] <TheSheep> charding: through a wrapper applet
[21:01] <charding> TheSheep: Yeah I've read about that one..
[21:01] <charding> XF(something)
[21:02] <TheSheep> charding: you could try on #xfce, there are some xfce devs in there sometimes
[21:02] <charding> If it's a gnome applet, can I change some of the code to fit for xfce?
[21:02] <charding> ah ok
[21:02] <TheSheep> I don't think it's straightforward
[21:03] <charding> TheSheep: ok thanks
[21:56] <thegoodtimers191> f
[22:02] <thegoodtimers191> its been a while since I have used irc so pleace forgive me for any breach of protocal.  I have a quick question.  I downloaded the desktop version of xubuntu and ran it on my Toshiba satillite to see how i like it.  Unfortunelty when it booted up, I just got a desktop with fonts sizes so large they take up the whole screen.  When i run it in safe graphics mode i don't have any problems. any help pointing me i
[22:02] <thegoodtimers191> n the right direction would be helpful.
[22:04] <TheSheep> thegoodtimers191: probably the dpi of your screen is getting detected wrong
[22:05] <TheSheep> thegoodtimers191: you can force dpi in your xorg.conf
[22:05] <TheSheep> thegoodtimers191: just put  '        Option          "DPI"   "96x96"
[22:05] <TheSheep> '
[22:06] <TheSheep> in your 'screen' section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:06] <TheSheep> and restart the X server
[22:07] <thegoodtimers191> thank you sheep for the responce...I read about that in a couple of forums...but since I'm new to linux I just wanted to make sure I got the conformation from several sources before proceeding..your help has been much appreciated
[22:12] <TheSheep> thegoodtimers191: you know how to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[22:15] <thegoodtimers191> not really but a I can find out how on line...but i dont want to bother you
[22:17] <TheSheep> in terminal, gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:17] <TheSheep> and alt+ctrl+backspace to restart the X server without rebooting the computer
[22:19] <thegoodtimers191> thank you so much
[22:21] <TheSheep> I think you can also edit some file in ~/.config/xfce4/ to set dpi for your user only, not sure what it was
[22:25] <magic_ninja> hast he xserver problem been fixed
[22:26] <thegoodtimers191> the found couple of other suggestions but i really need the hints about using terminal
[22:27] <TheSheep> thegoodtimers191: you can start Thunar as root, with 'gksu thunar', and then do it graphically
[22:28] <thegoodtimers191> that is a really sweet idea
[22:30] <thegoodtimers191> i'm not totally new to terminal...ive been playing with backtrack 2 for a couple of weeks
[22:31] <TheSheep> thegoodtimers191: personally, I often navigate using thunar and then use the 'open terminal here' option to actually perform the commands that require terminal
[22:31] <TheSheep> that is, when i happen to have the mouse in my hand, cd is faster to type of course
[22:32] <thegoodtimers191> but keeping the learning curve somewhat easy is what i need right now
[22:32] <vidd> for some reason,the flash player plugin is not working
[22:32] <TheSheep> vidd: 64bit system?
[22:32] <vidd> fresh install on gutsy
[22:33] <vidd> no...32bit
[22:33] <TheSheep> vidd: you installed the flashplugin-nonfree package?
[22:33] <vidd> yes
[22:33] <TheSheep> vidd: can you verify it's installed?
[22:33] <vidd> but i keep getting the message that it is not installed
[22:33] <vidd> how?
[22:34] <TheSheep> vidd: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[22:34] <cookiemonster077> anybody here
[22:34] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: no :)
[22:35] <cookiemonster077> haha
[22:35] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: connection problems?
[22:35] <cookiemonster077> i need help in a major way.  are you busy
[22:35] <TheSheep> !ask
[22:35] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:35] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: the x server keeps restarting itself
[22:35] <vidd> TheSheep, flashplugin-nonfree:  Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.2+really0ubuntu12  Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>.2+really0ubuntu12  Version table: *** <IP_ADDRESS>.2+really0ubuntu12 0        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:35] <cookiemonster077> sorry newbie
[22:35] <magic_ninja> i tried the fix on the forums but that made it WORSE
[22:36] <TheSheep> vidd: did you close firefox after installing it?
[22:36] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: no problem
[22:36] <cookiemonster077> i am trying to connect xubuntu with my xp network shares
[22:36] <vidd> firefox wasnt open when i installed
[22:36] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: any ideas
[22:37] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: it restarts when you open the terminal?
[22:37] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: it restarts randomly
[22:37] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: its those xserver problems that happened ( i haven't updated for a couple weeks)
[22:37] <vidd> the system that was upgraded from feisty is fine, but all fresh installs fail
[22:37] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: any error messages? logs?
[22:37] <magic_ninja> i just updated today
[22:37] <magic_ninja> is the new distro out
[22:38] <magic_ninja> where xserver logs stored
[22:38] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:39] <magic_ninja> http://pastebin.ca/866802
[22:39] <TheSheep> vidd: maybe start firefox in terminal and see if there are any messages?
[22:39] <vidd> TheSheep, ive installed using the wizard,apt-get, and synaptic....all fail
[22:39] <vidd> ok...
[22:40] <vidd> TheSheep, no errors in terminal
[22:40] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: while you look at that i'm going to reinstall my nvidia drivers
[22:41] <vidd> is there a test page so i can see if its just the site im trying to view?
[22:41] <TheSheep> vidd: video.google.com
[22:41] <TheSheep> vidd: or adobe.com
[22:42] <vidd> same result
[22:43] <TheSheep> vidd: does it work on a fresh user?
[22:44] <vidd> im ininstall --purge right now
[22:44] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: you installed the drivers from repositories?
[22:45] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: because there seems to be a version mismatch
[22:45] <vidd> !pastebin
[22:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[22:46] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: na i don't like the repo drivers, i install from the site, i didn't realize the xserver was updating so i reinstalled drivers and it seems to be working
[22:46] <vidd> TheSheep, this is what i got when i purged and re-installed with apt: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52838/
[22:47] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: well, we can't help you if you break something yourself :)
[22:48] <TheSheep> vidd: ugh, looks like they changed the archive but forgot to update the checksum
[22:48] <vidd> wonderful
[22:49] <vidd> so i need to manually install?
[22:49] <crimsun> or use hardy's if you're on ia32.
[22:49] <TheSheep> it's a little tricky, because the actual files are not in the package, only downloaded and extracted when the package is installed -- the license doesn't allow otherwise
[22:49] <crimsun> do _not_ use it if you're on x86_64.
[22:50] <vidd> is there a deb i can download for hardy's flashplayer?
[22:50] <crimsun> that new Flash version breaks on all sorts of things, namely x86_64, konqueror, some opera versions, etc.
[22:50] <TheSheep> vidd: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[22:51] <crimsun> again, this is _only_ applicable if you're using a 32-bit install.
[22:51] <vidd> crimsun, yes...i have 32-bit
[22:54] <vidd> what is the command? dpkg -i?
[22:55] <mikubuntu> i made an iso of knoppix to use to try to fix my bootloader on xub; grub nor lilo would install last nite.  someone here told me the knoppix has some tools that might help me fix, but problem is i don't sprecken ze deutch.  anyone know how i can change menus to english from german?
[22:57] <vidd> ggrrrr this all depends on hardy versions of everything
[22:59] <vidd> and the gutsy version has a mdsum mismatch
[23:01] <crimsun> you can hack the config and postinst, you know, for the gutsy version.
[23:01] <crimsun> that's all it is.
[23:15] <vidd> looks like the gnash thing fixed it instead of the nonfree
[23:15] <vidd> nope....now i get "copy protection - halt when i try to open a site with flash
[23:16] <vidd> how stable is hardy?
[23:17] <j1mc> vidd: it's still at alpha 3, but it has been fine for me so far.
[23:17] <j1mc> bugs and breakage are still a possibility at this point, though.
[23:17] <vidd> im kinda upset that gutsy broke the flash player
[23:18] <j1mc> an update in gutsy broke the flash player?
[23:18] <vidd> no...a clean install did
[23:18] <vidd> the upgrade works fine
[23:19] <j1mc> hm... have you updated everything after doing the clean install?
[23:19] <vidd> the md5sum in the gutsy for the flashplayer-nonfree is wrong
[23:20] <vidd> so it installs but is disabled
[23:20] <vidd> and the site i need flash for does not play at all with gnash
[23:21] <j1mc> i think i've had that issue before (with flash).
[23:21] <j1mc> if you can wait, it should get resolved within the next day or so.
[23:21] <vidd> it hasnt been resolved for the last 3 months
[23:21] <j1mc> flashplugin-nonfree is obvs nonfree, so ubuntu can't do too much about it
[23:22] <j1mc> what?
[23:22] <j1mc> vidd have you googled this, or searched the forums?
[23:22] <j1mc> maybe there's a fix somewhere.
[23:22] <vidd> im going to try the upgrade to hardy
[23:23] <vidd> ill google for a fix on my other box
[23:23] <j1mc> vidd: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4160430
[23:24] <vidd> i'll try that tommorow on my work machine
[23:28] <vidd> j1mc, im already in the middle of a hardy dist-upgrade
[23:29] <somerville32> vidd: They're working on a fix but a quick fix would have been to just install the hardy package
[23:29] <somerville32> (unless you use Konq which would result in a browser that likes to segfault :) )
[23:31] <vidd> kONQ?
[23:31] <vidd> Konq?
[23:33] <j1mc> konqueror  :)
[23:34] <vidd> isnt that a KDE package?
[23:34] <somerville32> Yes
[23:34] <j1mc> yeah, i think somerville32 was joking with you.  i don't think you'd want to install konqueror.
[23:34] <j1mc> on a xubuntu system, anyway.
[23:35] <somerville32> What I was saying that the problem with the update is that it crashes browsers that don't support xembed
[23:35] <vidd> firefox is ok?
[23:35] <somerville32> Yes
[23:35] <j1mc> hehe... in the ubuntu channel, someone tried to reply to ubotu.  they were like, "ubotu, that link does not work."
[23:35] <somerville32> hehe
[23:36] <vidd> patriots aregoing to the superbowl =[
[23:37] <vidd> ooppss....that was for -offtopic


[00:00] <micahg> OT, yofel, I did some confirmed bugs for the bugday so it wasn't all white :)
[00:00] <hggdh> Laibsch: Scott's nick is keybuk
[00:00] <Laibsch> thanks
[00:00] <yofel> micahg: yes, I saw that today :D
[00:01] <jander99> I've come across a new type of bug I haven't come in contact yet, with these old bugs.  One where its linked to two packages, one with a Fix Released, the other with New status.  Could someone look at bug 51591 and determine whether I just need to set Fix Released for sysvinit?
[00:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 51591 in acpid "acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51591
[00:03] <bcurtiswx> jander99: looks fixed released to me
[00:03] <bcurtiswx> ohh
[00:03] <bcurtiswx> sorry
[00:03] <bcurtiswx> i gotta read further next time
[00:03] <jander99> heh
[00:04] <jander99> It shows in my New search, coming up under sysvinit. I think it might have been mistakenly filed under sysvinit, so "Invalid"?
[00:07] <hggdh> yofel: this is certainly *not* a needs-packaging
[00:09] <yofel> hggdh: I removed the tag and changed the description, any specific location I should assign it to?
[00:29] <jander991> re: bug 120534 report states problem is fixed in a newer version, but Dapper uses the affected package.  How would I label this bug? Confirmed?
[00:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 120534 in backup-manager "Files in repository not matching name convention will be deleted during clean-up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120534
[00:30] <bcurtiswx> isn't Dapper reaching EOL?
[00:31] <jander991> Not for server
[00:31] <jander991> desktop reached it last month.
[00:31] <bcurtiswx> ah, ok
[00:31] <jander991> backup-manager is a CLI program, so I figured it could be still be trouble for -server variants.
[00:33] <hggdh> darn! I *am* trying to leave xchat, but this is getting to be difficult :-(
[00:33] <hggdh> yofel, I am not sure about what else to do there
[00:34] <hggdh> well, this is Friday, and I will have to go away before sundown. Sorry, folks. *this* time, *this* time, I must
[00:34] <jander99> hggdh: Enjoy the weekend.
[00:35] <hggdh> jander99, I wish I would be able to keep the whole weekend out of Ubuntu ;-)
[00:35] <micahg> yeah hggdh, I have to head home myself
[00:35] <hggdh> micahg, yes... Enjoy
[00:36] <bcurtiswx> hggdh and micahg, enjoy the weekend :D
[00:36] <micahg> jander991: check the list of programs that will continue to receive updates for dapper
[00:36] <micahg> thanks bcurtiswx
[00:36] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, same to you
[00:37] <bcurtiswx> thanks, i will be here during the weekend.. im just that kinda guy
[00:38] <hggdh> well... I will try to stay away... but... je me sens un peu faible, so there ;-)
[00:38] <jander99> micahg: where can I find this list?
[00:38] <hggdh> go good night, and good Saturday to all
[03:37]  * bcurtiswx kicks gnome bugzilla
[03:49] <jander99> you tell 'em!
[04:48] <bcurtiswx> anyone know here is only bug-control can make private bugs public?.. i think so, but idk
[04:48] <andresmujica> yeap only bug control
[04:49] <andresmujica> and the reporter itself if i'm not wrong...
[04:50] <hggdh> correct
[04:50] <hggdh> and not all bugs; an apport bug, for example, initially is accessible only by apport (backoffice)
[04:50] <bcurtiswx> well im talking to the empathy people, how can they keep involved in their LP bugs?
[04:51] <bcurtiswx> im adopting empathy
[04:51] <bcurtiswx> well
[04:51] <bcurtiswx> id like to, idk if theres somethign i have to do to make it official
[04:54] <andresmujica> hmmm
[04:54] <andresmujica> upps
[04:55] <bcurtiswx> upps?
[04:56] <andresmujica> nevermind...   i don't think an official something is needed. i suppose just triaging empathy bugs is enough..
[04:57] <bcurtiswx> the "burden" you could say, is that i think ill have to keep track of the telepathy managers too
[04:57] <andresmujica> also as empathy is targeted as default app for Karmic its bugs would be solved faster...
[04:58] <andresmujica> yeap.. sure!
[04:58] <andresmujica> an apport hook exists for empathy, or is too soon for one?
[04:58] <bcurtiswx> i would love for an apport hook
[04:58] <bcurtiswx> idk of one existing yet
[05:00] <andresmujica> talking about it, hggdh do you now if there's a list of apport hooks being developed?
[05:00] <bcurtiswx> how do i make sure i get "subscribed" to all the empathy reported bugs?
[05:00] <bcurtiswx> im guessing thats something i should probably do
[05:00] <andresmujica> empathy source page at launchpad
[05:02] <andresmujica> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+subscribe
[05:03] <bcurtiswx> done

[05:03] <bcurtiswx> :P
[05:03] <bcurtiswx> i may need to set up a gmail filter for these
[05:04] <bcurtiswx> ive added a debugging empathy thing in the debugging procedures page
[05:05] <bcurtiswx> its straight from the live.gnome.org site... but since we are making it default.. i figured it may come in handy
[05:05] <andresmujica> probably you should subscribe to their mailing lists too...  i'd supposed they're discussing a lot about it
[05:05] <andresmujica> nice :)
[05:25] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: do you still play with empathy 2.27.4 ?
[06:38] <jander99> I busted through over 100 old bugs today. /flex
[11:23] <BUGabundo> hey
[16:08] <bcurtiswx> good day all
[16:09] <BUGabundo> hey bcurtiswx
[16:09] <BUGabundo> hey chrisccoulson
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> hi BUGabundo
[16:09] <bcurtiswx> hey BUGabundo
[16:10] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> anyone here think my bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-sounds/+bug/400485 is fairly important?
[16:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400485 in ubuntu-sounds "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> i may just be biased so i will shutup if necessary :P
[17:12] <hggdh> well, if Empathy will be the preferred thingy on 9.10, it probably should be there
[17:12]  * hggdh is still virtually here
[17:12] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, ^^
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> hello hggdh
[17:13] <BUGabundo> hey hggdh. tas bom
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - did you say you were having issues dragging applets on your panel?
[17:14] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: I did
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> (a few days ago)
[17:14] <BUGabundo> and I filed a bug
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> did you get it sorted?
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> ah
[17:14] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> hyperair had a similar thing yesterday i think
[17:14] <BUGabundo> still sufering from it on a fresh install
[17:58] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, hi
[17:59] <BUGabundo> eeheeh
[17:59] <BUGabundo> slow starday hggdh?
[18:01] <hggdh> BUGabundo, very, I am quite busy arranjing for a trip tomorrow, on a contract
[18:02] <BUGabundo> great
[18:02] <BUGabundo> wait a min. you work on sundays?
[18:03] <hggdh> heh. No, usually nobody really works on Sundays in the US. But I have to travel on Sunday to be there on Monday 0830
[18:03] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:03] <BUGabundo> so I guess its far way from home?
[18:03] <BUGabundo> hope you nail it!
[18:04] <hggdh> this time, amazingly, it is not -- just about 3/4 hours by car (or ~30 min by plane) -- it is in Austin, TX, and I live in the DFW area (Dallas Forth Worth)
[18:05] <hggdh> and it is nailed :-)
[18:06] <BUGabundo> oh good
[18:07] <BUGabundo> but you know I have very limit knowledge of USA locations
[18:07]  * BUGabundo like most usa ppl have of the rest of the world :)
[18:10] <hggdh> oh, no, do you mean we do not know, say, where Portugal is? You are wrong! It is common knowledge that Portugal is a province of Spain, and you speak a very weird dialect of Spanish
[18:11]  * BUGabundo slaps hggdh so hard, he can see the moon walking way
[18:12] <BUGabundo> e vou fazer keixinhas aos teus Pais!
[18:38] <hggdh> heh
[19:48] <campbell> I am trying to get started helping with bugs, I am still a little confused about launchpad and the procedures of the BugSquad... would someone be willing to help me deal with this random "bug" that was just reported #401148... I think it is invalid
[19:49] <BUGabundo> hi campbell
[19:49] <BUGabundo> bug 401148
[19:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401148 in ubuntu-docs "I make video in Jaunty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401148
[19:50] <BUGabundo> for starters its on the wrong plave
[19:50] <BUGabundo> *place
[19:50] <BUGabundo> should be in ubuntu and not on launchpad bts
[19:50] <BUGabundo> ok that's has already been fixed
[19:51] <BUGabundo> campbell: if you can, avoid multiple entries! it generates more bug mail, and may offend the bug reporter
[19:52] <BUGabundo> but from the look of it, give it 24 and mark is as invalid
[19:52] <campbell> thanks for your help, I will keep my eye on it
[22:35] <BUGabundo> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh wth is new ajax on LP edge for Status!?!
[22:35] <BUGabundo> now I can't add a reply with the change :(
[22:36] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: you can still click on the package to open the oldstyle interface
[22:36] <Ampelbein> on the edit link of the package that is
[22:37] <BUGabundo> let me see
[22:38] <BUGabundo> oh right
[22:38] <BUGabundo> less UI ?
[22:41] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: less UI? what do you mean?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: I mean that this new UI is harder to understand
[22:44] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: i like it.
[22:44] <BUGabundo> eheh I bet
[22:44] <BUGabundo> you help doing it :)
[22:45] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: ? no... i'm not a lp-developer, not even a canonical employee ;-)
[22:45] <BUGabundo> ohh
[22:45] <BUGabundo> since I just saw your reply on #lp
[22:46] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: well, if it's something i know or at least think i know, i help people... ;-)
[22:46] <BUGabundo> you and me both
[22:46] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:51] <Nicolas> hello
[22:51] <Nicolas> i have a shutdown problem/bug with ubuntu 9.0.4 32bit
[22:51] <Nicolas> could someone help me out?
[22:53] <Nicolas> when i shutdown ubuntu, in the last step, many lines of exceptions appears and the machine stays there and doesn't shutdown
[22:54] <BUGabundo> hi Nicolas
[22:54] <BUGabundo> you are in the wrong channel
[22:54] <BUGabundo> this channel is to help bug triaging
[22:54] <Nicolas> can u tell me wich is the right one?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> please go to #ubuntu
[22:55] <BUGabundo> for jaunty or before
[22:55] <Nicolas> thanks
[22:55] <BUGabundo> and #ubuntu+1 for karmic
[22:55] <BUGabundo> Nicolas: np
[22:55] <BUGabundo> Nicolas: btw do you get apport fireing on that crash or some files in /var/crash?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> that seems related to GPU drivers and kernel


[19:51] <daker> mhall119: ping (for quick chat about something non Ubuntu related)
[20:14] <mhall119> daker: pong
[22:58] <digo> hi guys
[22:58] <digo> anyone running ubnutu touch emulator from sdk with amd  omega drivers_
[22:59] <digo> ?
[23:03] <digo> ?
[23:16] <asd> which is the best version to use sdk ubuntu?
[23:17] <asd> .developer tools are not installed.
[23:17] <asd> i cant run touch emulator x86 for that
[23:41] <asd> Ubuntu Components 1.1 ? not working?


[14:54] <tzafrir_laptop> If I package a package with a upstart file, should I remove the existing init script?
[14:54] <tzafrir_laptop> Is there anything wrong with having both of them?
[15:02] <afournier> disk space ? :p
[15:02] <afournier> double init ?
[15:15] <tzafrir_laptop> afournier, yes, double init
[15:15] <tzafrir_laptop> When I removed the init script and rebuilt the package I got an odd warning from lintian
[15:16] <tzafrir_laptop> about the init.d script missing
[15:30] <afournier> lintian ?
[15:30] <JanC> tzafrir_laptop: Ubuntu packages usually symlink a special init script ('/lib/init/upstart-job') in /etc/init.d/ to replace the original init script
[15:30] <afournier> it's possible that your package contains pre/post install scripts
[15:39] <tzafrir_laptop> Looks like dh_installinit automatically generates code in postinst script for the init script
[15:39] <tzafrir_laptop> Even though I don;t have it.
[15:40] <tzafrir_laptop> And this causes: W: init.d-script-not-marked-as-conffile and E: init.d-script-not-included-in-package
[15:40] <tzafrir_laptop> No symlink was created
[15:41] <tzafrir_laptop> nither in the package nor in a postinst script
[18:40] <Diranged> hey im fighting with upstart and uwsgi right now… when we run our uwsgi service manually (command line) it works perfectly. but when we run the exact same commands in an upstart job, we end up with a threading problem in our django app that causes the app to hang
[18:40] <Diranged> does upstart do anything strange to the environment, or fork anything in a funny way that might break like this?
[18:43] <geofft> I don't know a ton here, but upstart ptraces jobs to figure out if a daemon has forked yet, which sounds vaguely relevant.
[18:43] <geofft> You might want to play with the 'expect' commands?
[18:44] <Diranged> hmm..
[18:44] <geofft> in the job configuration (expect fork, etc.)
[18:46] <Diranged> expect fork didnt help..
[18:46] <Diranged> actually it seems to break it.. it starts up, but then i cant kill the app
[18:48] <SpamapS> Diranged: yeah only use expect fork if your program actually daemonizes
[18:48] <Diranged> ah yeah.. sorry, uwsgi doesnt in emperor mode..
[18:48] <SpamapS> if you're not using expect fork, you won't be ptracing
[18:49] <Diranged> is there a way to "restart" upstart so that it reloads the config? it kind of hangs after this..
[18:49] <SpamapS> upstart will simply fork, and exec. nothing special.
[18:49] <Diranged> ok.. hrmm
[18:49] <Diranged> SpamapS: https://gist.github.com/4445532
[18:49] <SpamapS> Diranged: if you incorrectly specify expect fork, the only way to get rid of the dead pid is to re-exhaust the pid space until that pid exists. Its a well known bug
[18:49] <Diranged> thats basically our uwsgi config.. (minus the "—master " .. that was a test)
[18:49] <SpamapS> one that I believe has a solution forthcoming.. finally
[18:50] <SpamapS> Diranged: I suspect there's something in your environment variables or ulimits / umask that makes it work when you run it directly
[18:50] <Diranged> hmmmm
[18:50] <SpamapS> Diranged: are you 100% positive you want to run that as root?
[18:50] <Diranged> SpamapS:  the master process needs to run as root.. but it doesnt spawn any of the children as root
[18:50] <Diranged> but hmm
[18:50] <Diranged> you bring up ani nteresting point
[18:50] <Diranged> (about the ulimits)
[18:51] <Diranged> i wonder if theres a way to check that..
[18:52] <SpamapS> just change the 'exec' line to 'exec bash -c "ulimit -a"' and look at what it says
[18:54] <Diranged> there are a few subtle differences.. hmm
[18:57] <SpamapS> Diranged: is uwsgi logging why it fails?
[18:59] <Diranged> SpamapS: yeah so the django app starts up under the uwsgi vessal and begins to do its work. it creates a connection with Kazoo to our zookeeper service, and then immediately hangs. the connection fails, and an execption is raised
[18:59] <Diranged> SpamapS: the connection is handled in a python Threading object.. so my guess is that the object and/or connection is being broken somehow. but as i mentioned, it ONLY happens when we run inside of upstarts…
[19:00] <Diranged> can i set specific limits for my upstart job in the upstart config file?
[19:00] <SpamapS> Diranged: lots of threaded python stuff runs under upstart, so I can't imagine why that would cause issues.
[19:00]  * SpamapS points at openstack
[19:00] <SpamapS> lots of threaded python stuff :)
[19:00] <Diranged> i know.. im totally stunned by this..
[19:00] <Diranged> and this isnt the only thread we run.. its just the first one we've seen that does this
[19:02] <SpamapS> Diranged: does it, by any chance, open stdin and try to select() it or something.. where when its attached to your terminal, thats fine, but in upstart, that might just block
[19:02]  * SpamapS is grasping at straws
[19:02] <Diranged> SpamapS:  how messed up is this … zk_watcher (an app we wrote in house) that we run with upstart, leverages nd_service_registry (which is our kazoo management api), and it works perfectly fine
[19:02] <geofft> Yeah, I'm also surprised. It's just that given that you're having problems, ptrace sounded like an easy thing to blame
[19:02] <Diranged> SpamapS:  this only fails under uwsgi, under upstart..
[19:04] <SpamapS> geofft: ptrace is not  used at all without expect fork/daemon
[19:07] <Diranged> https://gist.github.com/4440744 < the log of the kazoo failure.. it basically hangs at "xid: 1".. and 15 seconds later, a timeout hits and an exception is raised..
[19:07] <Diranged> (not that helpful.. but just in case)
[19:08] <SpamapS> Diranged: crazy thought, strace the program
[19:08] <Diranged> ive tried a bit .. but im not a big strace reader.. though, we have  a few devs here who are, so i may get them involved
[19:10] <SpamapS> its pretty simple
[19:10] <Diranged> ill run it once via cli and make it work and trace it.. then ill run another time via upstart and trace it.. we'll see what happens
[19:33] <Diranged> ugh,.. i still think this is upstart+uwsgi related, but im going back to the uwsgi channel to debug this a bit more with them
[19:42] <geofft> SpamapS: ah, okay. I thought there was a default that involved ptracing, but apparently I was wrong
[19:42] <Diranged> this has SOMETHING to do with the way our wsgi app is loading
[19:43] <Diranged> because if i init *a* kazoo object right inside of our wsgi file (before the application is really loaded), then it initalizes fine.. and THEN our app init's its own kazoo object, and works fine..
[19:43] <Diranged> (leaving us with 2 connections.. which is bad.. but still.. its some progress)
[22:06] <Diranged> SpamapS: hey just circling around.. the issue is somewhere in our Django app. If we set the LANG variable in our uwsgi app, it works fine.. if we dont, it fails. Upstart just wasnt getting that environment variable.
[22:06] <Diranged> i have no idea why that variable means so much to the way Django handles connections/threads… we're sitll digging in … but its not an upstart failure
[22:06] <SpamapS> Diranged: *ahh LANG*
[22:07] <SpamapS> Diranged: right, you can't realy assume any environment variables in upstart jobs
[22:07] <Diranged> yeah.. itrs funny, we dont.. but it must be something burried in the python code somewhere
[22:07] <SpamapS> Diranged: I suspect its more that some underlying library wants it to be set..perhaps a non-thread-safe-error-handler is the issue
[22:07] <Diranged> yeah.. im still diggin around trying to understand it..
[22:08] <SpamapS> Diranged: glad you got some insight though. I'd say 99% of the time when somebody has a problem with an upstart job that works fine in a login shell, its environment variables
[22:09] <Diranged> makes sense.. well, now its time for me to dig into the python..
[22:09] <Diranged> i dont mind setting that vairable, but i want to understand WHY i need to
[22:13] <SpamapS> Diranged: yeah, I would too
[22:16] <Diranged> thanks again for hte help.. ttyl