[16:47] <g_santos> Hey, @krytarik's referred me here.
[16:48] <g_santos> I'm willing to help in any way I can. I believe mostly testing and maybe writing.
[16:48] <g_santos> How can I?
[17:00] <krytarik> g_santos: Starting points for the two areas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[17:05] <g_santos> Getting the development release. Might take a while, since the internet in Brazil is funny. 2Mbytes here.
[17:06] <g_santos> 50 times faster 5 Km from here.
[18:22] <eylul> #commands
[18:22] <eylul> that didn't work :)
[18:22] <krytarik> \o/
[18:22] <eylul> ok what am I doing wrong?
[18:23] <krytarik> Well, I think those only work within a meeting.
[18:23]  * eylul sighs
[18:57] <eylul> will start the meeting in a few min
[18:59] <eylul>  Krytarik, Ovenwerks, Jlye, Sakrecoer, astraljava, trebmuh
[18:59] <Jlye> ?
[18:59] <Jlye> meeting ?
[19:00] <eylul> yup
[19:09] <eylul> ok Krytarik it might be just you and me
[19:09] <eylul> (and Jlye)
[19:10] <krytarik> Not sure.  Just start the meeting, and ask for attendance - see who'll pop up.
[19:10] <eylul> #startmeeting "UbuntuStudio weekly check-in"
[19:10] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 13 19:10:49 2016 UTC.  The chair is eylul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:10] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:11] <eylul> #chair krytarik
[19:11] <meetingology> Current chairs: eylul krytarik
[19:12] <eylul> who do we have here for meeting?
[19:12] <krytarik> o/
[19:12] <eylul> I know OvenWerks and Rosco2 mentioned they might not make it this week.
[19:15] <eylul> ok well, I assume the silence does mean it is 2 of us this week :D
[19:18] <eylul> Ok I suppose I should go through with the meeting items even through most will be not relevant.
[19:18] <eylul> #topic: Welcome and Agenda
[19:18] <eylul> #subtopic: meetingology
[19:19] <eylul> We are using meetingology this week.
[19:19] <eylul> When giving updates please use #done: tasks completed e.g. "#done finished system tab for ubuntu-controls"
[19:19] <eylul> When giving a summary of a situation or giving additional context use #info tag: e.g. "#info in last release we removed this package because of a bug
[19:19] <eylul> When putting an idea when discussing an item use: "#idea how about we make the icons blue"
[19:19] <eylul> If there is a place where you need input/help from another team member: "#help ardour backport needs more testing before the release candidate is posted"
[19:19] <eylul> #subtopic Agenda
[19:20]  * eylul fails at meetingology adding these for record
[19:21] <eylul> #topic Welcome and Agenda
[19:21] <eylul> #subtopic meetingology
[19:21] <eylul> #subtopic Agenda
[19:21] <eylul>  * Team updates
[19:21] <eylul>  * Active projects
[19:21] <eylul>  ** Ubuntustudio-controls
[19:22] <eylul>  ** website
[19:22] <eylul>  ** Wallpaper contest
[19:22] <eylul>  * Todo for next week and milestones
[19:22] <eylul> Any additions to the topic list before we continue?
[19:23] <krytarik> Nope.
[19:24] <eylul> ok. well I assume we will only discuss website today.
[19:24] <eylul> #topic Team updates
[19:24] <eylul> What has everybody worked on this week? (nothing is ok), please use #done when posting. post each task on its own line.
[19:26] <eylul> #info not much from me this week, just some UI brainstorming with OvenWerks on -controls.
[19:27] <eylul> #info OvenWerks has been working on ubuntustudio-controls, see the ML for details of progress.
[19:27] <eylul> krytarik?
[19:28] <krytarik> Yep, that's mainly it - plus reminding that there are packages for it in the autobuilds PPA to test.
[19:29] <krytarik> More specifically, for all Xenial, Yakkety, and Zesty now.
[19:29] <eylul> lets get back to it in more detail in discussion
[19:32] <eylul> #info CFHowlett is working on a dry run of image uploads for the wallpaper contest
[19:32] <eylul> ok anything else I am missing before we move on?
[19:32] <krytarik> Nope.
[19:32] <eylul> ok then
[19:32] <eylul> #Active Projects
[19:33] <eylul> >.<
[19:33] <eylul> #topic Active Projects
[19:33] <eylul> #subtopic Ubuntustudio-controls
[19:36] <eylul> Ok so Ovenwerks isn't here so just a summary of state of things
[19:38] <krytarik> Well, in addition to what I said earlier, here is the link to the PPA: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild
[19:39] <eylul> ok
[19:39] <eylul> thanks Krytarik
[19:39] <eylul> #subtopic website
[19:39] <eylul> alright. so the internal deadline we gave ourselves is up. there is still no reply to the ticket right
[19:42] <krytarik> So I was suggesting earlier to we call up the Community Council on this next - to try and get this forward someway.
[19:43] <krytarik> Of course, I'll nominate our project lead, Set, for this. >_>
[19:43] <eylul> *nods* I am not that familiar with the procedures, but it could be a solution.
[19:44] <eylul> :D or you could do it? once we get the confirmation from him?
[19:45] <krytarik> Well, I guess anyone of us could bring it up to them as well, yes.
[19:46] <eylul> ok
[19:50] <eylul> #nick Sakrecoer; #action Sakrecoer Krytarik mailing Community Council about the issue of ignored ticket. (pending approval from Sakrecoer as project lead)
[19:50] <krytarik> #undo
[19:50] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC
[19:50] <krytarik> Oops.
[19:50] <eylul> #subtopic website
[19:50] <eylul> ok you write it correctly
[19:50] <eylul> :)
[19:51] <krytarik> Well, I guess with that, we failed completely now anyway. >_>
[19:51] <eylul> I did put the subtopic back in :D
[19:51]  * eylul is tempted to put meetingology hiccup as a subtopic
[19:52] <krytarik> Yeah, but it's counting from there again.
[19:52] <eylul> it just undid the subtopic. just add the action item back in?
[19:54] <eylul> #nick Sakrecoer
[19:55] <eylul> #action Sakrecoer or Krytarik will email Community Council about the issue of ignored ticket. (pending approval from Sakrecoer as project lead)
[19:55] <meetingology> ACTION: Sakrecoer or Krytarik will email Community Council about the issue of ignored ticket. (pending approval from Sakrecoer as project lead)
[19:56] <eylul> ok anything else on the website?
[19:56] <krytarik> No.
[19:56] <eylul> ok
[19:56] <eylul> #subtopic Wallpaper contest
[19:57] <eylul> CFHowlett is working on having a small dry run contest on facebook if I understood correctly
[19:59] <eylul> anything else about that?
[19:59] <krytarik> Not that I know of.
[20:01] <eylul> alright.
[20:02] <eylul> #topic Todo for next week and milestones
[20:02] <eylul> #info Next meeting will be at 20 Dec 2016, 19:30UTC. (https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntustudio+meeting&iso=20161220T1930&ah=1)
[20:03] <eylul> that's all I have for this week
[20:04] <krytarik> Yep, closure time.
[20:04] <eylul> ok lets see what the output looks like :D
[20:04] <eylul> this was a bit of a chaos.
[20:04] <eylul> #endmeeting
[20:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 20:04:45 2016 UTC.
[20:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2016/ubuntustudio-devel.2016-12-13-19.10.moin.txt
[20:05] <eylul> ok, that might be summarized as whoops. :D
[23:17] <OvenWerks>  Read the back log, sorry I wasn't there. The only update on -controls is that it needs pretty much a rewrite  :P The GUI will stay much the same, but needs to run as part of the user's session to work right. Therefore system setup will move to it's own CLI utility that the GUI will call. The part of the utility that completes a ubuntustudio install for people who have installed from metas rather than an ISO. It will be a simple checkbox
[23:21] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Regarding the middle part, I was thinking later, you planning to do that as shell script or in Python too?
[23:21] <OvenWerks> krytarik: bash
[23:22] <OvenWerks> It is easier to get system info in bash
[23:22] <OvenWerks> it is easier to run commands in bash too.
[23:22] <OvenWerks> There are more people who know how to maintain bash
[23:24] <OvenWerks> Writing system scripts in a secure way is better understood.
[23:25] <krytarik> Well, not opposed to it, of course - just later thought...
[23:27] <OvenWerks> krytarik: if you have something I haven't thought of... it is not a big deal either way... I can do it in c++ if we really want, but I think that would make things much harder to change down the road as well as being harder to package.
[23:38] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Well no, I thought of (and expressed it) a shell script for this too - but considering the main script is in Python, I later thought if it'd be similarly easy to do in that, and potentially be more efficient..
[23:41] <krytarik> Thought of shell script first, I mean.
[23:42] <OvenWerks> I may try both then... just to see.
[23:43] <OvenWerks> I will probably do a bash script first (cause I already have one on my system that does some of this stuff ;)
[23:52] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Do you actually mean Bash, or do you just use the two terms interchangably, and simple '/bin/sh' would do too?
[23:53] <OvenWerks> not sure, I just normally put #!/bin/bash on top...
[23:53] <krytarik> Well, I try to not use it unless the code requires it.
[23:53] <OvenWerks> It is hard to test just /bin/sh because that normally is a link to bash anyway.
[23:54] <krytarik> No, it's not.
[23:54] <OvenWerks> your right it is a link to dash
[23:54] <OvenWerks> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Apr 22  2016 /bin/sh -> dash
[23:55] <krytarik> Yep.
[23:58] <OvenWerks> I can make it work with that. I don't think I would do anything fancy. The main thing is a case ... esac to deal with command line parameters


[00:27] <shai_halud> anyone know if it is possible to record your own samples to use as presets in lmms?
[03:35] <h4x0riz3d> i converted a windows .fon to .bdf and then to .pcf but i can't figure out how to install it
[03:36] <h4x0riz3d> i mean.. i do "fc-cache -f -v" and it still doesn't get listed, do i have to reboot or something?
[03:59] <fr4j4> hopla?
[04:00] <fr4j4> ./join adsfwer
[04:25] <shai_halud> holstein: isn't the dev channel #ubuntu-studio-dev?
[04:26] <shai_halud> i'm on a different install, having problems getting online in ubuntu studio right now
[04:26] <h4x0riz3d> maybe without that dash
[04:28] <shai_halud> Len-nb: hey, i had problems with raring again, and also, my ubuntu-studio will not go online now. I am booted into Mint at the moment
[04:28] <shai_halud> wth
[04:28] <Len-nb> Ok
[04:29] <shai_halud> had fstab-decode i/o error
[04:29] <Len-nb> before you left you were saying the file size was 1.9M
[04:29] <Len-nb> ??
[04:29] <shai_halud> that is a .part file
[04:29] <Len-nb> our ISOs are 2.3 Gig
[04:30] <shai_halud> i repaet. it was a part file
[04:30] <Len-nb> So the ISO you used was bigger then OK
[04:30] <shai_halud> the after running zsync, 2 copies of the iso were in the dir. both identical in size
[04:30] <shai_halud> one had extension.old
[04:30] <Len-nb> Makes sense
[04:31] <Len-nb> yup
[04:31] <h4x0riz3d> .part smells like firefox ;]
[04:31] <shai_halud> so anyway, i had same issues as before, but different inode this time
[04:31] <Len-nb> This is with a DVD or USB stick?
[04:31] <shai_halud> and something changed my wifi card configuration
[04:32] <shai_halud> usb
[04:32] <shai_halud> i cannot initiate wifi in ubuntu studio 12.10 now
[04:32] <Len-nb> USB stick is 4gig?
[04:32] <shai_halud> 16
[04:32] <Len-nb> OK
[04:32] <Len-nb> vfat?
[04:32] <shai_halud> fat32
[04:32] <shai_halud> same as i always use
[04:33] <shai_halud> i have never had this issue
[04:33] <Len-nb> No I haven't either.
[04:33] <shai_halud> what exactly is the dev channel id?
[04:33] <Len-nb> #ubuntustudio-devel
[04:33] <shai_halud> i have tried #ubuntu-studio-dev    #ubuntustudio-dev
[04:33] <shai_halud> and that
[04:33] <shai_halud> no one was in them
[04:34] <shai_halud> my computer is going whacky
[04:34] <Len-nb> Have you made sure you wer set to freenode... must be now...
[04:34] <shai_halud> of course
[04:34] <Len-nb> you are here.
[04:35] <Len-nb> as I recall on first startup of xchat freenode is not selected
[04:35] <shai_halud> it is on my other machine
[04:35] <shai_halud> but no, it's... some other one in mint
[04:36] <Len-nb> I will download the daily iso here. I can only use the 32 bit though
[04:36] <shai_halud> anyway, I had some functionality of the system this time, but kept getting i/o errors for everything
[04:37] <Len-nb> I almost feel like saying try another stick just to be sure
[04:37] <shai_halud> and wifi would not initiate.
[04:37] <Len-nb> but the base FS is supposed to deal with bad spots.
[04:38] <Len-nb> I am using wifi right now.
[04:38] <shai_halud> i believe something has happened on my other install and changed the mac address  of the connection somehow
[04:38] <Len-nb> Back in a minute
[04:38] <shai_halud> k
[04:38] <shai_halud> i'm in devel channel now
[06:54] <Mick_> Hi all
[06:58] <smartboyhw> Hi Mick_
[13:25] <studio-user887> salve a tutti
[13:25] <studio-user887> aslve a tutti
[13:26] <studio-user887> avrei bisogno di un aiuto per collegare una chitarra elettrica a ubuntu
[13:26] <studio-user887> ce qualcuno ce potrebbe darmi una mano??
[13:26] <zequence> studio-user887: Hi. This is an English speaking channel. I think there might be an Italian one, for regular Ubuntu
[13:26] <zequence> !ubuntu-it
[13:27] <zequence> !it
[13:27] <studio-user887> thx:)
[13:27] <zequence> You're welcome to ask your question in English too :)
[17:49] <hectorlopez> anyone uses retroshare?
[17:59] <juver-ulacio> Alguien que hable español???
[22:24] <mc5> hello. Does anyone work with JACK and/or Ardour in here?
[22:25] <zequence> mc5: Sure. There are channels for both jack and ardour too #jack #ardour
[22:26] <mc5> Yeah. I was sent here from the #ardour room
[22:26] <mc5> err. channel
[22:26] <zequence> Really?
[22:26] <mc5> yeah
[22:26] <mc5> Apparently not many of them work with Ubuntu
[22:26] <zequence> I guess they're saying Ubuntu does funny things to ardour
[22:27] <zequence> I'm pretty sure that whatever question you have has little to do with the platform you are on
[22:27] <zequence> What kind of problems are you having?
[22:27] <mc5> mostly problems with JACK for right now
[22:27] <mc5> I may have some future problems with the interface I'm running as well, a Line 6 UX1
[22:27] <zequence> What kind?
[22:27] <mc5> Starting problems
[22:27] <zequence> jack crashes sometimes when you try to stop it
[22:28] <zequence> It's frozen in the background. Could that be it?
[22:28] <zequence> Kill it with: killall -9 jackdbus
[22:28] <mc5> pastebin.com/CCwmxntu
[22:28] <zequence> That is, if you're using jack with qjackctl, and default settings
[22:28] <mc5> I'm using Qjackctl
[22:29] <zequence> Try killing jackdbus: killall -9 jackdbus
[22:29] <mc5> What I just pasted is what popped up when I just opened it
[22:29] <zequence> Then start jack again
[22:30] <mc5> I got this from Terminal: "jackdbus should be auto-executed by D-Bus message bus daemon. If you want to run it manually anyway, specify "auto" as only parameter"
[22:30] <zequence> mc5: Don't start jackdbus from the terminal, just kill it there
[22:30] <zequence> Then use qjackctl to start it
[22:31] <mc5> I'm trying to kill it with that command and nothing
[22:31] <mc5> just that message
[22:31] <zequence> You're doing something wrong
[22:31] <zequence> killall -9 jackdbus
[22:32] <mc5> that did nothing
[22:32] <zequence> Then it worked
[22:32] <zequence> Otherwise it would say, no such process
[22:32] <mc5> ok
[22:32] <zequence> Now, try starting jackw with qjackctl
[22:32] <zequence> jack*
[22:33] <mc5> "D-BUS: JACK server could not be started.  Sorry"
[22:33] <mc5> "Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info."
[22:34] <zequence> mc5: Any windows open that uses audio? Like w webbrowser
[22:34] <zequence> mc5: Ever get this error when booted into a fresh session, and trying nothing else but starting jack with qjackctl?
[22:35] <mc5> By open, do you mean on the Launcher?
[22:36] <mc5> Skype is the only window running that would utilize  audio
[22:36] <zequence> Ok, that could be a problem
[22:36] <zequence> Close everything down
[22:36] <zequence> Would even save some trouble if you just rebooted
[22:37] <zequence> Also, do you have multiple audio devices?
[22:37] <mc5> just the Interface and the Speakers
[22:38] <zequence> I mean, do you have more than one audio card?
[22:39] <zequence> I should really write a script and let users run it to get some info :)
[22:40] <mc5> not that I'm aware of
[22:41] <zequence> You mentioned a Line6 device
[22:41] <zequence> What do you get from: cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:42] <mc5>  0 [PODStudioUX1   ]: line6usb - POD Studio UX1                       Line6 POD Studio UX1 at USB 3-2:1.0  1 [SB             ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB                       HDA ATI SB at 0x92300000 irq 16  2 [HDMI           ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI                       HDA ATI HDMI at 0x92210000 irq 19
[22:42] <mc5> er
[22:43] <mc5> http://pastebin.com/RUzArjBa
[22:43] <zequence> Ok, so you have three audio devices
[22:44] <zequence> The line6, your onboard, plus the hdmi out
[22:44] <zequence> mc5: Have you selected a device in qjackctl?
[22:44] <zequence> !proaudio
[22:44] <zequence> That's a page I wrote about the audio systems on Ubuntu Studio
[22:45] <mc5> Input and Output are recognized as Line 6 UX1
[22:46] <zequence> mc5: Have you ever got that device working with jack?
[22:47] <mc5> I mean, it recognizes it but I haven't been able to really start JACK so I'm not sure
[22:47] <mc5> Ardour recognizes it as well
[22:48] <zequence> Ardour doesn't recognize audio devices itself. It uses one of the audio systems it supports. ALSA or jack
[22:48] <zequence> jack uses ALSA drivers
[22:48] <zequence> So, they're really the same deal in that regard
[22:49] <zequence> mc5: Have you tried starting jack with the HDA ATI SB?
[22:50] <zequence> Before you try, always kill jackdbus, just in case: killall -9 jackdbus
[22:50] <zequence> I have one of those, and I can't get it to work (HDA ATI SB)
[22:50] <mc5> try to start jack with HDA ATI SB and then kill?
[22:51] <zequence> No, first kill, so we don't have a frozen jack in the background, then start jack with the HDA ATI SB
[22:51] <zequence> It would be nice to know if you can start jack at all
[22:52] <mc5> ok just tried switching the Input & Output to HDA ATI SB and it didn't start
[22:53] <zequence> mc5: Don't set input and output separately
[22:53] <zequence> mc5: set them to default, and use "interface" instead
[22:54] <zequence> mc5: Have you changed any other settings?
[22:54] <mc5> came up with the same problems
[22:54] <mc5> if you'd like me to copy and paste the messages, I can
[22:56] <zequence> mc5: Try this in a terminal..
[22:56] <zequence> pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:1
[22:56] <zequence> Or wait
[22:57] <zequence> First do: killall -9 jackdbus
[22:57] <zequence> Then that command
[22:57] <zequence> pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:1
[23:01] <zequence> mc5: A reboot?
[23:02] <mc5> no. Flash crashed and I didn't realize it
[23:02] <mc5> did you get any of my last messages?
[23:02] <zequence> no
[23:02] <zequence> You should close down any flash videos
[23:02] <zequence> Anything that uses audio
[23:02] <mc5> ok. done
[23:03] <zequence> So, first, just so we can be sure
[23:03] <zequence> killall -9 jackdbus
[23:03] <zequence> Then we try jack from the terminal:
[23:03] <zequence> pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:1
[23:03] <mc5> well. I tried starting with HDA ATI SB in the Input and Outputs
[23:03] <mc5> didn't work
[23:03] <zequence> This is not the same thing
[23:03] <mc5> ok
[23:04] <zequence> I don't want to waste anymore time than you
[23:04] <zequence> The quicker you are, the better
[23:05] <mc5> ok. I got some errors
[23:05] <zequence> Ok, I'll let you know what you've been doing, so you can try stuff yourself
[23:05] <zequence> Let's you know what cards you have: cat /proc/asound/cards
[23:06] <zequence> They aren't always in the same order after rebooting
[23:06] <mc5>  I haven't rebooted
[23:06] <zequence> Didn't say you did
[23:06] <zequence> Suspending Pulseaudio can be smart to try, since it sometimes doesn't let go of the audio device otherwise
[23:07] <zequence> pulseaudio == desktop audio
[23:07] <zequence> If pulseaudio is using a different card than jack, than that would be no problem anyway
[23:07] <mc5> I just tried posting this: cat /proc/asound/cards
[23:07] <mc5> in the Terminal and now I cannot type anything else
[23:08] <zequence> Ok, I'm not getting through here.
[23:08] <zequence> What I would do if I were you is reboot
[23:08] <zequence> Then only use qjackctl
[23:08] <zequence> try starting some devices
[23:09] <zequence> Use the command to kill jackdbus in between
[23:09] <zequence> killall -9 jackdbus
[23:10] <zequence> instead of qjackctl, you can also use this command:
[23:10] <zequence> pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:1
[23:10] <zequence> Replace the "1" with whatever card you want to start
[23:10] <zequence> The number you get from reading the output from: cat /proc/asound/cards
[23:10] <zequence> That's it
[23:14] <studio-user545> # in spanish please
[23:14] <mc5> alright. I'll copy your text right here, reboot,  and go from there.
[23:14] <studio-user545> in spanish please
[23:15] <zequence> mc5: Hope it works out
[23:15] <zequence> mc5: btw
[23:15] <zequence> mc5: one part of the command I showed you: pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:1
[23:15] <zequence> is for suspending pulseaudio
[23:15] <zequence> and that is: pasuspender ..
[23:16] <zequence> pasuspender --
[23:16] <zequence> The actual command to start jack is: jackd -d alsa -d hw:<n>
[23:16] <zequence> where <n> is your audio device number
[23:16] <zequence> This is not jackdbus
[23:16] <zequence> Anyway, good luck
[23:29] <mc5> just tried using 'pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:1' and replaced the 2 to see what would happen with the LIne 6 and I got these messages
[23:29] <mc5> http://pastebin.com/SGzqbeC2
[23:29] <zequence> mc5: Seems like you're not on Ubuntu Studio
[23:30] <zequence> you don't have realtime privilege
[23:30] <zequence> you need to add yourself to audio group
[23:30] <mc5> ah
[23:30] <mc5> right
[23:30] <mc5> ok. Can you tell me how to do that?
[23:30] <zequence> sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[23:30] <zequence> That will add your name next to the audio group in the file /etc/group
[23:30] <zequence> You'll need to logout and login again for the change to happen
[23:31] <zequence> Though, starting jack should work even without rt privilege
[23:31] <mc5> hmm
[23:35] <mc5> "sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER"
[23:35] <mc5> what do I do after that?
[23:35] <mc5> log out and then log back in?
[23:35] <zequence> Yeah
[23:36] <mc5> ok
[23:38] <mc5> alright. so where do I go from here?
[23:39] <mc5> ok JACK is actually starting now
[23:41] <mc5> zequence: so Jack starts now
[23:41] <mc5> I had it going for 20 seconds and then stopped it
[23:41] <zequence> mc5: using your usb device?
[23:42] <mc5> it's actually set on HDI ATI SB
[23:42] <zequence> Well, good to know you can get jack running
[23:42] <zequence> Try the same command with the usb device
[23:44] <mc5> it's starting with Line 6 UX1
[23:45] <mc5> just tried to start Ardour and it's giving me the same problems
[23:46] <zequence> If you get jack starting with the usb device, it works
[23:46] <zequence> What you do is you start jack, keep jack running, then start ardour
[23:47] <zequence> mc5: If you got the usb device running, you should be able to get it running with qjackctl as well
[23:47] <zequence> qjackctl, using default settings, will start jackdbus, not jackd
[23:47] <zequence> jackdbus is the one that crashes sometimes when you try to stop it
[23:47] <mc5> I'm getting problems now
[23:47] <mc5> out of nowhere
[23:48] <zequence> Well, you have the tools to sort this out now, I think
[23:48] <zequence> The usual workflow is, you start jack first, then whatever jack application you want to use, such as ardour
[23:49] <mc5> actually I don't have the tools
[23:50] <mc5> It was working fine and then I stopped JACK, tried to run Ardour and back to the same problems.
[23:50] <zequence> mc5: I told you. Don't stop jack
[23:50] <zequence> start jack. Then start ardour
[23:51] <zequence> You do have the tools. you just need to make sense of it
[23:52] <zequence> Read this page also
[23:52] <zequence> !proaudio
[23:52] <mc5> It's not starting now
[23:52] <zequence> Should clear some things up
[23:52] <zequence> If jack crashed, and is frozen, kill it
[23:52] <mc5> it hasn't done either
[23:52] <zequence> either it's jackd, or jackdbus
[23:53] <zequence> Well, you'll sort it out
[23:53] <zequence> Time to sleep for me
[23:53] <mc5> I'm fairly certain that I won't but ok
[23:53] <mc5> thanks


[00:12] <xnox> juliank, postgresql-10-debversion sounds like a broken update, where did you see that?
[00:13] <juliank> xnox: postgresql-debversion/1.0.8-3 autopkgtest on !amd64 triggered by apt/1.6~alpha3
[00:13] <juliank> in failure to setup testbed, of course
[00:14] <nacc> there are a bunch of those pg10 packages that are migrating right now
[00:14] <nacc> so it could be related to all of that
[00:14] <nacc> and the builders catching up, etc.
[00:15] <juliank> It's a bit strange that the autopkgtest failed because the package to be tested was not available, but I guess it can happen
[00:15] <nacc> juliank: rmadison says it should be available, but only in bionic-proposed
[00:15] <nacc> so it might be stuck
[00:15] <juliank> Right, the amd64 retried with all packages from proposed
[00:16] <nacc> juliank: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#postgresql-10 is probably the blocker :/
[00:16] <nacc> juliank: it's on my todo (and cpaelzer's)
[00:16] <juliank> But armhf also retried using all packages from proposed, but could not find it
[00:17] <juliank> Anyway, I saw that with the last transition IIRC, so I'm not worrying too much
[00:17] <nacc> yeah
[05:20] <cpaelzer> juliank: thanks, the upload looks good, I'll push it into the git on Monday to track it properly
[05:21] <cpaelzer> juliank: I'll do some regression checks along the way, but the change seems small and safe
[05:21] <cpaelzer> juliank: also while not upstream yet, the mailing list response so far seems good
[05:29] <cpaelzer> lets see what the weekend can do to these long queues ...
[15:31] <erle-> Why are the commands in /bin now shared objects instead of executable files?
[15:33] <rbasak> erle-: I'm not sure what you mean. They are still executable files.
[15:34] <erle-> rbasak, but they are of time ELF shared object instead of ELF executable
[15:34] <erle-> *of type
[15:34] <rbasak> I'm pretty sure that's just a consequence of the tooling you're using to report on it.
[15:35] <erle-> rbasak, use «file /bin/cp»
[15:35] <erle-> you will see it is shared object in 17.10
[15:35] <erle-> it was executable in 16.04
[15:35] <rbasak> Yes. Like I said it's a consequence of the tooling you're using to report on it.
[15:36] <rbasak> Try copying an executable from 16.04 into a 17.10 system and then see what file says.
[15:39] <erle-> rbasak, I got an answer somewhere else
[15:39] <erle-> they are actually shared objects
[15:39] <erle-> point is that the linker can put them to random locations im memory
[15:39] <erle-> it's about address randomization
[15:40] <jbicha> erle-: https://codywu2010.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/about-elf-pie-pic-and-else/
[15:40] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features#pie
[15:42] <erle-> jbicha, thanks
[15:53] <cjwatson> Some were PIE in 16.04 too
[15:53] <cjwatson> $ lsb_release -sr; file /usr/sbin/sshd
[15:53] <cjwatson> 16.04
[15:53] <cjwatson> /usr/sbin/sshd: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=cf2da4087de886767f688f645786229131e4af0c, stripped
[15:54] <cjwatson> It's just got a bit more default in the toolchain
[16:16] <rbasak> erle-: oh, I see. I didn't realise that change would cause a different output from file. Thanks.
[16:17] <infinity> rbasak: PIE binaries are literally type DYN, so yeah, file(1) doesn't know what to do with them.


[00:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks like icu has a number of autopkgtest regressions, all network error related. Need a core-dev to retry them. https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#icu
[00:58] <jbicha> Eickmeyer[m]: I believe those have been retried, the queue is just slow
[02:37] <teward> arraybolt3: fyi you know that the DMB only meets once every two weeks or so right
[02:37] <teward> and your requests for pkgset changes recently were *after* the last meeting?
[02:37] <teward> don't expect fast-handling
[02:40] <sarnold> heya teward
[02:42] <teward> o/ sarnold
[02:43] <teward> arraybolt3: better to just send me the full list of packages you need sponsored
[02:43] <teward> unless SImon gets to it (I think he's working on Kubuntu stuff?) before I do
[02:43] <teward> i've got like 6 pings and lost track of stuff.
[02:43] <sarnold> teward: teward: teward: teward: teward: teward:   here have six more :)
[02:44] <teward> *shoves sarnold out the airlock into the vacuum of space*
[06:33] <blahdeblah_> That's not very nice, considering all he did is ping you 6 times.
[07:21] <utkarsh2102> enr0n: as for openlibm, d’you think we should upload to Debian instead?
[07:22] <utkarsh2102> this way we’re reducing our tech debt
[07:23] <utkarsh2102> enr0n: aaah, see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1020617#25
[07:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1020617 in src:openlibm "src:openlibm: fails to migrate to testing for too long: FTBFS on armhf and mips64el" [Serious, Open]
[07:23] <utkarsh2102> it’s already in the pipeline
[07:23] <utkarsh2102> d’you want to wait for that or should I sponsor the upload anyway?
[07:26] <ginggs> utkarsh2102: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openlibm/+bug/2006501/comments/2
[07:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2006501 in openlibm (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on armhf with ‘-mfloat-abi=hard’: selected architecture lacks an FPU" [Undecided, New]
[07:31] <ginggs> "I proposed uploading Debian's fix now, but with a `maysync` version so that Debian's next upload will autosync."
[07:38] <utkarsh2102> ginggs: yes but if the FTBFS can wait another week, it’ll be sync’d. Thus my question. :)
[07:39] <utkarsh2102> but it’s alright, I can upload later today (I’m afk atm)


[00:38] <tsimonq2> wisc.edu has a bouncer?
[00:39] <tsimonq2> huh!
[00:40] <tsimonq2> YOu learn something new every day!
[00:40] <tsimonq2> XD
[19:31] <h00k> mornin
[20:51] <tsimonq2> h00k: Hey! What's up?
[21:13] <h00k> managed to break the record for billable hours in one month last month - been super busy.
[21:13] <h00k> packing up for the day in just a few minutes here
[22:09] <tsimonq2> h00k: We are the only people on here XD
[22:10] <tsimonq2> h00k: Might as well join my channel, ##tsimonq2
[22:10] <tsimonq2> XD


[00:06] <DobrawyAdam> Sounds like a solution to my fears. :)
[00:10] <blackboxsw> our CI kicks off jenkins jobs against lxd, ec2, kvm  automitcally because they are platform definiitions in tests/cloud_tests. if you had a platform definition there too it should be a small lift to get jenkins jobs running against rbx too
[00:11] <blackboxsw> DobrawyAdam: here's an example of what Azure folks are putting together https://code.launchpad.net/~ahosmanmsft/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/372957
[00:16] <DobrawyAdam> In the near future I will look into this solution more closely. I am glad that there is openness to run tests on the Rbx platform as well.
[19:17] <amansi26> Hi, I am trying to deploy a image. But the IP is not getting assigned to the new lpar. I checked the logs. The cloud-final.service is having this piece of log http://paste.openstack.org/show/781184/
[19:18] <amansi26> Is this the possible reason of IP not getting assigned. The OS is sles 12 and sles 15 .Can someone please suggest some workaround?
[19:30] <amansi26> Odd_Bloke: I am using cloud-init v19.1


[16:27] <santa_> hi everyone
[16:31] <santa_> RikMills: how is frameworks 5.83 going?
[16:32] <RikMills> santa_: some files and symbols to fix I thyink, but mostly ok
[16:32] <santa_> ok, I'm going to build on my servers
[16:32] <santa_> is KA working ok?
[16:33] <RikMills> santa_: download-tarballs did not. it wanted to get them from the /unstable/ folder
[16:34] <santa_> ok, I guess you are using git master, correct? could you please whenever you can push the ka-metadata so I could try to replicate the issue?
[16:35] <RikMills> all metadata is pushed
[16:36] <RikMills> https://git.launchpad.net/ka/tree/libka/kde_ftp.py?h=2.4#n202
[16:36] <RikMills> had to change that to:
[16:37] <santa_> RikMills: somehow I can't see the metadata for fw 5.83
[16:37] <RikMills> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/ka/+git/ka-metadata/commit/?id=9402feabf6860ad743ad38f649fa342688d6c88c
[16:38] <RikMills> kde_ftp.py needed a 2nd 'if release_type != "frameworks" and last_digit >= 80:'
[16:39] <santa_> ok, the metadata is in master
[16:40] <santa_> you might want to merge it into staging branch
[16:41] <RikMills> sorry. I am not always consistant in what branch I use
[16:41] <RikMills> merged
[16:53] <santa_> RikMills: ok, at some point this weekend I will take care of the download-tarballs bug, thanks for the "patch" :)
[16:56] <RikMills> ok


[23:16] <mikkidog> Good evening folks.
[23:17] <MagicFab> mikkidog, hi!
[23:17] <mikkidog> Will I get any performance advantage by installing a GT 630 GPU as opposed to using the Intel Corp. 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller?
[23:17] <mikkidog> Hello MagicFab!
[23:18] <mikkidog> I'm using a core 2 duo 3.0GHz with 7 GB RAM.
[23:20] <mikkidog> I suppose Sweet Home 3D would be the most graphics intensive program I use, although I might look into Blender.
[23:21] <mikkidog> Oh yes, Ubuntu 13.10 64 bit!
[23:30] <MagicFab> mikkidog, I've been using exclusively Intel graphics for ~5 yrs now, have yet to come across something that demanded more - I am not into gaming, though.
[23:30] <MagicFab> In my experience I/O (hard disk speed) is a bigger bottleneck for most apps.
[23:46] <mikkidog> MagicFab: very good. I'm not sure if my hard drive is5400 or 7200 rpm. So you say the graphics card would not be beneficial?


[00:01] <thumper> timClicks: now?
[00:02] <timClicks> sure
[00:02] <timClicks> thumper: see you in 1:!
[00:07] <tlm> babbageclunk: got 5 minutes after standup? Need to pick your brain about manifolds
[00:08] <babbageclunk> tlm: yup yup!
[00:12] <wallyworld> thumper: a multiwatcher race fix https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11223
[00:12] <thumper> will looks
[01:29] <wallyworld> thumper: ah, i just pushed a different change before i saw your comment
[01:29] <wallyworld> i can revert to what i had originally, or keep what i have now
[01:29] <wallyworld> my original change is safer because it handles all callers
[01:30] <wallyworld> whereas now in the second attempt, it only fixes just one caller and other can still do the wrong thing
[01:46] <thumper> wallyworld: I looked at the call site, and there are potentially long blocking things there
[01:46] <thumper> so decided that your original approach was good
[01:47] <thumper> babbageclunk: is the release going smoothly?
[02:09] <babbageclunk> thumper: huh - apparently not :(
[02:09] <babbageclunk> https://jenkins.juju.canonical.com/job/release-juju-stable/114/
[02:10] <thumper> :(
[02:11] <babbageclunk> digging now
[02:30] <babbageclunk> I don't get it - wait-for-operation finished but the proposed streams json file doesn't contain entries for 2.7.2
[02:30] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11224 forward port of older PR
[02:34] <babbageclunk> Ok, I can see in the update-streams log that it's written a log line for this request
[02:35] <babbageclunk> but the json file says updated on 17th of Jan
[02:35] <babbageclunk> https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.juju-proposed-tools.json
[02:36] <babbageclunk> http://streams.canonical.com/juju/new-tools/juju-dist/tools/update-streams.log
[02:36] <thumper> is it putting in proposed or released?
[02:37] <babbageclunk> at this point in proposed
[03:11] <babbageclunk> ok, digging around in the code isn't really helping - rubber ducky?
[03:32] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: it looks like the job was run with agent_stream=proposed
[03:33] <wallyworld> surely it should be released?
[03:33] <babbageclunk> yeah, I think that's right at this point isn't it?
[03:33] <wallyworld> no
[03:33] <babbageclunk> I think it tests them and then updates to released
[03:33] <wallyworld> we are updating released streams for a released build
[03:33] <wallyworld> really?
[03:33] <babbageclunk> looking at the jobs again...
[03:34] <wallyworld> i could very well be wrong
[03:34] <babbageclunk> from this list of jobs https://jenkins.juju.canonical.com/job/release-juju-stable/
[03:35] <babbageclunk> It looks like it releases them to proposed and then to released.
[03:35] <wallyworld> ok, that i didn't realise
[03:36] <babbageclunk> And it's the first bit that doesn't seem to have worked - the s3 stuff has 2.7.2 and a recent update time, but streams.canonical.com doesn't.
[03:36] <babbageclunk> I'm going to increment the poke value and resume the build, maybe it was an eventual-consistency thing?
[03:37] <wallyworld> tlm: did you run into this issue last release? can you recall what was done?
[03:38] <tlm> wallyworld: catching up. We did have issues with this. It does go proposed => released from memory
[03:38] <wallyworld> yeah, i was totaslly wrong
[03:38] <tlm> I think I was updating the poke value
[03:38] <wallyworld> but it's not even going to proposed atm
[03:38] <babbageclunk> yeah, I'm rerunning it with poke=1 now
[03:39] <tlm> I think jerff gave me issues on release and simon had to get someone to do something on some server somewhere but I could be very wrong as well
[03:43] <wallyworld> hpidcock: the default task status is Completed. did you specify Running and still not get results?
[03:43] <wallyworld> i can double check to be sure
[03:43] <hpidcock> oh right. wallyworld I was just expecting `juju operations` to show all tasks
[03:44] <wallyworld> the actions api (currently unused but there) defaulted to Completed so i was just mirroring that
[03:45] <wallyworld> i think the idea was the people would usually want to see stuff that had finished
[03:45] <wallyworld> but i'm guessing
[03:45] <hpidcock> i think we should assume all
[03:46] <wallyworld> we can do that and ask for feedback
[03:46] <wallyworld> the original api is 5 years old and never really used
[03:46] <hpidcock> yeah lets go with what feels right and nice
[03:47] <hpidcock> like kubectl doesn't just show pods that are running when you go kubectl get pods
[03:47] <wallyworld> i was debating which was better but i think it's less of a surprise to go with all
[03:47] <wallyworld> get pods vs list a large set of things is different though
[03:48] <hpidcock> you can have like a 1000 pods in a k8s cluster
[03:48] <hpidcock> operations are also an aggregate
[03:48] <wallyworld> especially with all the extra juju operators :-)
[03:49] <hpidcock> I think we need some garbage collection on the list
[03:49] <wallyworld> we have it
[03:49] <wallyworld> there's a pruner worker
[03:49] <hpidcock> well then that sounds like the list will be somewhat small
[03:49] <wallyworld> depends - prune > 3 days old i think
[03:49] <hpidcock> it's also a model based command right?
[03:49] <wallyworld> yep
[03:50] <wallyworld> i added the batching stuff jus in case
[03:50] <wallyworld> we can always wrire that up if needed
[08:33] <zeestrat> Got a couple of PR's for Ansible in charm helpers if anyone could help with review and merge: https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/pull/403, https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/pull/404
[09:01] <nammn_de> manadart: if you find some time later could you take a look and see whether those API params and result changes in params/network.go makes sense? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11213/files#diff-b8ec81ce097ebb5fa3ef9f36b26bd128R934 With this I could start working on the cmd patch tomorrow or later after ci
[09:06] <manadart> nammn_de: Yes; though it looks like I will be working the release today.
[09:07] <nammn_de> manadart: sure no worries
[20:44] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: want to catch up at some point?
[20:44] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: yup yup
[20:45] <babbageclunk> might need to be getting the release sorted first though :(
[20:45] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: awesome \o/ ping when u r free
[21:16] <evhan> I can't seem to find docs for the right form for "serviceAccounts" in the podspec now.
[21:17] <evhan> I know it *was* "serviceAccount", and I thought I then had it working with an array under "serviceAccounts", but that doesn't seem to be right (anymore?).
[21:23] <evhan> i.e. following this structure: https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/updated-podspec-yaml-new-features/2124
[21:23] <evhan> (Under "Workload permissions and capabilities".)
[22:20] <wallyworld> evhan: from memory, the core yaml has serviceAccount (singular) which is just for the main workload pod. the additional k8s specific yaml has serviceAccounts (plural) to allow additional, arbitrary onces to be created
[22:24] <wallyworld> eg https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/FC3hDhJbzt/
[22:25] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: i think your vsphere pr is good to land? we can then do a 2.7.3 candidate snap
[22:27] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: btw ... ░H░A░P░P░Y░ B░I░R░T░H░D░A░Y░░♪
[22:27] <wallyworld> i was hoping to keep it quiet
[22:27] <tlm> happy birthday wallyworld
[22:27] <wallyworld> now the cat is out of the bag
[22:30] <anastasiamac> haha can't keep it quiet! if not be loud now, then when? :D
[22:30] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: yep
[22:31] <wallyworld> at my funeral
[22:31] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: happy birthday! 🎂
[22:32] <wallyworld> ty
[22:47] <babbageclunk> yay happy borthday wallyworld! Let's all sing at standup!
[22:51] <evhan> wallyworld: Yeah, I had that but get json: unknown field "serviceAccount" (from operator master).
[22:51] <evhan> Also, happy birthday. :)
[22:54] <evhan> Hmmm, that's what the provider expects too (ref. https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/caas/kubernetes/provider/specs/v2_test.go). Maybe I'm doing something dumb here.
[23:10] <wallyworld> evhan: sorry, was in meeting. can you share the yaml you are trying? kelvinliu can help as well
[23:11] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: sure
[23:12] <kelvinliu> evhan: the top level is serviceAccount, but the one under kubernetesResources is serviceAccounts (because it's an array)
[23:12] <evhan> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W5Fpj4NqMk/
[23:12] <evhan> I noticed the model was on 2.7, so I'm just trying to upgrade and go again on 2.8-beta1.
[23:13] <kelvinliu> evhan: u have to use `version: 2` k8s spec
[23:13] <evhan> Hrnnnnn I've run into this before too
[23:13] <evhan> Thank you.
[23:14] <kelvinliu> the legacy doesn't support rbac
[23:14] <kelvinliu> np
[23:14] <evhan> Right, I left that key behind when moving values around. Sorry for the noise.
[23:17] <wallyworld> evhan: there's some doc improvements we are woring on. everything is a bit scattered on discourse
[23:18] <timClicks> "a bit"
[23:18] <wallyworld> well i had all the main doc posts pinned but they got unpinned :-(
[23:19] <timClicks> imo a good intermediate step would be edit cory john's post and remove all of the other pins
[23:20] <timClicks> because 9 pinned posts isn't effective either
[23:21] <evhan> FWIW when looking for help w/ k8s configs, all roads tend to lead to the "Updated pod spec yaml" post above.
[23:21] <evhan> Via search and links from other posts.
[23:21] <evhan> https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/updated-podspec-yaml-new-features/2124 <----- that one
[23:25] <wallyworld> getting stuff off discourse and properly into docs is te best solution IMO. discourse posts is a terrible medium for docs
[23:26]  * timClicks nods
[23:26] <timClicks> ^ emphasis on the "intermediate"
[23:40] <hpidcock> kelvinliu: can you please do a 2.7 -> develop merge, there is a lot of k8s changes from you that need merging
[23:49] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: about NewRestroreCommand and export_test... m k to pass in a connect func but it'll need to b accessible for main.go too... so
[23:49] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: r u k for me to have connect exported from a database?
[23:55] <kelvinliu> hpidcock: sure
[23:55] <hpidcock> kelvinliu: thank-you
[23:55] <kelvinliu> np
[23:59] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: yeah, I think that's fine
[23:59] <anastasiamac> k


[02:34] <fhrr> Hello, ive just used gnome extensions website to disable default de behaviour when moving cursor over top left corner. To do this ive moved a slider in browser on that webpage. How did that work?


[00:01] <penguin42> it tends to be rather quiet at the weekend, especially late in European times
[00:02] <cjwelborn> ah, i see. okay then, see you later.
[13:05] <philwyett> Hi, Are there any notes on upgrading to the LTS quantal stack being made available when 12.04.2 is released?
[13:09] <ogra_> philwyett, just make sure to have all updates installed, you will be automatically on 12.04.2
[13:09] <ogra_> (check with lsb_release -a)
[13:11] <philwyett> ogra_: That is not the case is it. On an already installed system, the move to the new stack is optional?
[13:12] <ogra_> the move to a different kernel and xserver is ... but you are automatically getting to 12.04.2
[13:12] <ogra_> (these are unrelated things)
[13:13] <philwyett> ogra_: Normal updates are fine. It is the move to the complete new stack I am wanting to know if an guidance docs will be provided.
[13:13] <philwyett> s/an/any
[13:13] <ogra_> ah, k, that i dont know
[13:14] <ogra_> but i'd guess so ;)
[13:14] <philwyett> I'd hope so. ;-)
[13:16] <philwyett> I have just installed the feb 10 alternate image in a VM. While it is installing the LTS quantal 3.5. kernel. It is still installing mesa 8.0.4.
[19:02] <melodie> hello
[19:02] <melodie> I would like some help on a little thing
[19:04] <melodie> trying to make a custom versions, I would like in a Openbox one and in Lubuntu to have icons on the desktop (two icons). I have got them with a script in the casper directories, : it works in the live, but does not follow after install once the name "Desktop" is changed to the one used in the language. any thoughts on that ?
[23:00] <Bluefoxicy> okay why the heck am I getting corruption.
[23:11] <penguin42> what type of corruption, where?
[23:12] <infinity> penguin42: He's being led down the path of temptation and sin toward a decadent life filled with glazed donuts and Brazilian barbecues.  Obviously.
[23:12] <infinity> Great, I just made myself hungry.
[23:12] <penguin42> hmm donuts
[23:25] <Bluefoxicy> Are there docs on how Debian and Ubuntu infrastructure work?
[23:25] <Bluefoxicy> I have no clue where to start building a build server, and google is unhelpful.  All I know is folks submit debs and they wind up in the repositories, and there's some automated magic between and somebody manually accepts the deb.
[23:32] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: On the ubuntu side isn't most of it driven via lp or something connected to it - i.e. can you follow the source?
[23:39] <Bluefoxicy> penguin42:  nod.  On Debian it seems to be buildd and such--which I had quite a bit of trouble discovering via google but :|
[23:46] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: To ask a silly question; but wth are you setting up a buildd?
[23:48] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: Debian is dak/wanna-build/buildd/sbuild, Ubuntu is launchpad/launchpad-buildd.    I don't understand how either works.  It gives me the willies.
[23:53] <Bluefoxicy> I hate relying on magic blue smoke
[23:53] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: Well it's fine if you don't let it out
[23:54] <cjwatson> sbuild itself is all packaged and such and pretty easy to get to work for single source packages, at least
[23:56] <Bluefoxicy> nod.


[06:17] <htoothrot> i'm trying to figure out why my bitlebee service is started twice, but i'm pretty green about the services etc..
[07:41]  * balsaq listens as a single dew drop falls from the vines and lands on the ground in the peaceful digital rainforest known as.....xubuntu!
[07:47] <balsaq> i recently used xubuntu to rescue an infested windows HD. what an experience...buntu rules it seems some of the files are unreadable...coded. not many. is that becasue of ntsf vs ext3?
[07:48] <balsaq> because*
[07:52] <moetunes> was it file name or contents you couldn't read?
[07:53] <balsaq> contents
[07:54] <moetunes> prob some form of ms formatting on them - you could check what linux sees them as with the   file   command
[07:54] <balsaq> the file had it normal name, i clicked and dragged them from the infected windows computer to the xubuntu desktop, then i burned them to cd. after burning the cd i pulled up the files to see if the are readable. most are..could even view the pics....a few are coded.
[07:55] <balsaq> but regardless it looks like xubuntu saved 95%
[07:56] <balsaq> i suppose a guy could use buntu to kil virus in windows HD too
[07:57] <balsaq> imagine buntu saving windows haha
[07:57] <moetunes> there is antivirus apps in the repos
[07:57] <moetunes> to run on windows files
[07:57] <moetunes> or shared files
[07:57] <balsaq> i installed it but it wont run
[07:57] <balsaq> clam
[07:57] <moetunes> k
[07:58] <balsaq> not sure how to use it but when i installed clam it installed a lot of files
[07:58] <balsaq> so i clicked on run AV but i cant see anything happeneing
[07:58] <moetunes> I've never needed it...
[07:58] <balsaq> well idont for buntu
[07:58] <balsaq> but it would be useful to clean the HD i mounted under the buntu drive
[07:58] <moetunes> no windows in my home
[07:59] <moetunes> it would
[07:59] <balsaq> windows is so fragile
[07:59] <moetunes> someone in #ubuntu might have a clue on clamav
[07:59] <balsaq> when i installed ubuntu 1004 i hooked up my printer and it worked with no drivers added
[08:00] <balsaq> bug?
[08:00] <balsaq> wut
[08:00] <moetunes> it was cause you said 1004
[08:00] <balsaq> i had some bugs so i reinstalled it too ext3 and have had no issues
[08:01] <balsaq> at 1st it seemed to leak memory or something
[08:03] <balsaq> i was trying to get help on clamav in ubuntu the other day and it was really a pain...they seemed stressed out.
[08:03] <moetunes> heh they can at times seem that way
[08:04] <balsaq> they seem to prefer to help experts rather than aspiring techs
[08:04] <moetunes> maybe noone there at the time had used it
[08:04] <balsaq> but i can se the day where windows will not be worth money anymore....at least not too me.
[08:05] <moetunes> I haven't used it since 2003
[08:05] <balsaq> i like windows for fun, but the money they want is silly.
[08:05] <moetunes> that os is silly imo
[08:06] <balsaq> all my computers al dual boot now
[08:06] <moetunes> so bloated
[08:06] <balsaq> i like w2000 pro a lot
[08:06] <balsaq> nice lil one
[08:06] <balsaq> reminds me xubuntu lean and mean
[10:24] <tarek> hello people i wanted to know where does the NetworkManager Applet store the wpa2 encryption configuration
[10:24] <tarek> ??
[10:35] <balsaq>  there should be a Network Manager icon in the GNOME panel, which looks like a couple of dots. Right click the Network Manager icon to enable the network
[12:00] <coolguy4> I have a problem with xubuntu  inside a virtualbox. Everything was going fine, then one day I was running aptitude inside xubuntu and I was installing some packages, then I had a problem with my host os and I needed to do a ctrl-alt-bksp .... Now when I try to boot xubuntu in the virutal box I get to the login screen, I enter my details, and the screen flashes a couple of times before returning me to the login screen. Any ideas? It seems
[12:00] <coolguy4> that xorg is not starting properly... or fails soon after starting...
[12:19] <balsaq> blew out the bootloader
[12:19] <balsaq> reinstall grub
[12:21] <balsaq> Try using this option in the "Device" section of xorg.conf
[13:20] <j1mc> hey all - is anyone using xfce4-terminal for irssi?
[13:20] <j1mc> when i try to launch irssi from the terminal, i get ....
[13:20] <j1mc> TERM environment not set
[13:21] <Mark76> Hang on
[13:21] <j1mc> Can't initialize screen handling, quitting
[13:21] <j1mc> You can still use the dummy mode with -d parameter
[13:21] <Sysi> export TERM=xterm
[13:21] <Sysi> iirc
[13:22] <j1mc> Sysi: that did it.  Thanks.
[13:22] <Sysi> 10.10 support at ubuntu+1 :P
[13:22] <j1mc> will that command "stick" across sessions, or do i need to set a config somewhere?
[13:22] <Sysi> ~/.bashrc
[13:23] <j1mc> Sysi: thanks muchly
[13:23] <Sysi> np
[13:23] <j1mc> so, i could just add that line to my .bashrc?
[13:23] <j1mc> anywhere in the file?
[13:24] <Mark76> That's weird. I had no problems launching irssi in xfce terminal so far
[13:24] <Sysi> 10.10..
[13:24] <Sysi> bug has been filed
[13:24] <j1mc> Sysi: thanks
[13:24] <Mark76> Ah. 10.04
[13:26] <j1mc> charlie-tca: good morning.  you are up early.
[13:26] <charlie-tca> j1mc: Good Morning
[13:26] <charlie-tca> Trying to get everything in place for 10.10 release!
[13:27] <charlie-tca> What a fun time this has been.
[13:28] <j1mc> charlie-tca: i think you're a great project lead.
[13:28] <j1mc> and 10.10 looks great
[13:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks! We will see what this does yet, though. My docs are still behind, but we are working on it.
[13:30] <j1mc> yes, there is a new person on the doc team who is contributing a lot for the natty branch already.
[13:30] <charlie-tca> Yes, I know. Hopefully, we will get up to date for Natty, and then push backwards
[13:32] <Mark76> Did they change the way Xfwm handles titlebar transparency? The active window title seems less faded than usual
[13:36] <j1mc> brb, all... switching from xterm back to the lovely xfce4-terminal
[13:41] <Mark76> Are you using xfce4 terminal?
[13:43] <j1mc> yes
[13:43] <Mark76> And irssi?
[13:43] <j1mc> : )
[13:44] <Mark76> Cool. Your problem is solved
[13:44] <Mark76> SIESTA!
[13:44] <j1mc> yup - appears to be
[13:45] <Mark76> Uh oh
[14:14] <Mark76> Midori renders the Guardian terribly
[14:16] <Mark76> http://imagebin.org/117732
[14:18] <j1mc> ouch
[14:19] <Mark76> Exactly
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Does that site work well with firefox?
[14:20] <Mark76> Hang on
[14:20] <charlie-tca> It looks like one of those "microsoft expected here" sites, maybe?
[14:22] <Mark76> Yep. It's fine in Firefox
[14:22] <Mark76> http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/09/merlin-single-father-louis-theroux-weekends-tv-highlights
[14:22] <Mark76> Try it for yourself
[14:23] <Mark76> Seamonkey too
[14:23] <charlie-tca> granted, that does look better
[14:24] <Mark76> It's a webkit thing
[14:24] <Mark76> Doesn't render properly in Epiphany either
[14:24] <charlie-tca> OTOH, that is why we keep telling people Midori is not quite ready to replace firefox
[14:24] <Mark76> Webkit needs work
[14:25] <Mark76> It's a pity Kazhakase is so unstable/died on its arse
[14:25] <Mark76> That gave you a choice of rendering engines
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Midori renders that page equal to firefox here
[14:28] <j1mc> it rendered that page just fine for me, too.
[14:28] <j1mc> http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4826/screenielk.png
[14:28] <j1mc> enter "dpkg -l midori" and let us know the version.
[14:28] <j1mc> maybe charlie-tca and i just have newer versions
[14:29] <charlie-tca> 0.2.2 here
[14:29] <charlie-tca> but I do run the webkit ppa too
[14:29] <j1mc> 0.2.4-3 here
[14:29] <j1mc> charlie-tca: are you still on 10.04?  :)
[14:29] <Mark76> It's 0.2.8
[14:29] <charlie-tca> On this system
[14:30] <j1mc> ah
[14:30] <charlie-tca> I have a 64bit with maverick
[14:30] <charlie-tca> I run the development versions starting at alpha2 on my other system
[14:32] <Mark76> Midori has no way of sorting the bookmarks
[19:21] <slow-motion> hi
[20:51] <Kurdistan> I guys
[20:51] <Kurdistan> were can I see release notes for xubuntu maverick?
[20:52] <Kurdistan> will xubuntu maverick be faster then xubuntu lucid?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Release notes will be available when maverick is released
[20:53] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca will xubuntu maverick have less gnome dependencies?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> very few less.
[20:53] <charlie-tca> We have to keep some to have help keeping everything up to date.
[20:53] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca can it compare to lubuntu in boot-time and lightness?
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I have no idea how it compares to lubuntu. I do not use lubuntu
[20:54] <Kurdistan> okey but it must be faster then ubuntu/gnome? :)
[20:55] <Kurdistan> I tried xubuntu 10.04 ones and loved the control center
[20:55] <charlie-tca> yes, depending on the actual hardware used
[20:55] <Kurdistan> have the xfce control center changed?
[20:55] <charlie-tca> no
[20:56] <Kurdistan> okey
[20:56] <Kurdistan> :) I dont if I will install lubuntu 10.10 or xubuntu 10.10
[20:56] <Kurdistan> hehe
[20:58] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca if I have nvidia drivers which one do you think is best nvidia-current or nvidia-current-modaliases?
[20:59] <Kurdistan> and why is the closed nvidia driver slower then open?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> usually one is recommended over the others in hardware drivers.
[20:59] <Sysi> in what way slower?
[20:59] <Sysi> and how old nvidia
[21:00] <Kurdistan> Sysi, the boot-time is faster with open nvidia then with closed
[21:00] <Sysi> because propiatary is random binary blob
[21:01] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca I dont understand. becuase I think madaliases is recommended
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I have never had it recommend -modaliases
[21:02] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca okey
[21:05] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca I had before when I tried xubuntu out problem with some delaying applet
[21:06] <Kurdistan> like connection
[21:06] <Kurdistan> I came to desktop from upstart quik
[21:06] <Kurdistan> better time then ubuntu
[21:06] <Kurdistan> but the connection applet was took time
[21:07] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca is it any fan-speed applet in xubuntu like in ubuntu?
[21:07] <Kurdistan> cpu-scaling
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[21:08] <charlie-tca> You can use the one from Ubuntu, though
[21:11] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca can I really use cpu-scaling from ubuntu
[21:11] <Kurdistan> how?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> jsutt isntall the application
[21:12] <charlie-tca> s/jsutt/just
[21:12] <Kurdistan> now I dont understand
[21:12] <Kurdistan> sorry
[21:12] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:13] <charlie-tca> just need to install the application used by ubuntu
[21:14] <Kurdistan> okey I see
[21:19] <slow-motion> will xubuntu released tomorrow too?
[21:19] <j1mc> slow-motion: yup
[21:20] <slow-motion> i tried the 10.04 from lubuntu and use now xubuntu 10.04. I'm thinking about changing to lubuntu again
[21:25] <j1mc> i haven't tried lubuntu
[21:28] <slow-motion> i tried it, because i had only an old 800mhz computer
[21:29] <Sysi> RAM is more important
[21:29] <charlie-tca> I burned out the motherboard in my PIII, 866MHz
[21:29] <Sysi> and application
[21:32] <slow-motion> i had around 600mb of ram in it
[21:36] <slow-motion> but some parts on the motherboard are at the end of their lifespan and so i bought a notebook
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I have parts, but no motherboard
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Do you want them?
[21:38] <slow-motion> no. i dont need them anymore
[21:39] <jrmy> ok i have cd-rw's what do i use to burn the image onto the disc with ubuntu?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Which version?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> 10.04 uses brasero, but you can install xfburn and use it instead.
[21:40] <jrmy> 10.04 for the computer with the burner 10.04 is the xubuntu version
[21:40] <jrmy> that i plan to put on eth disc
[21:40] <jrmy> the*
[21:40] <charlie-tca> 10.10 will use xfburn, brasero will not be installed
[21:40] <charlie-tca> brasero should be the default in 10.04
[21:40] <jrmy> so use brasero?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:41] <jrmy> ok
[21:41] <jrmy> does burning an image onto a cd-rw make it so i cant rewrite the disc?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> hmm, not supposed to
[21:41] <charlie-tca> but sometimes brasero has issues re-using the cd-rw
[21:41] <jrmy> i dont quite understand writing and rewriting discs
[21:42] <jrmy> is there another burning program that doesnt have problems?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Anybody know how xfburn is when using cd-rw's?
[21:42] <jrmy> as long as i can use the disc again it doesnt quite matter
[21:43] <jrmy> cause if the disc dosent write correctly the first time i can just rewrite it
[21:45] <jrmy> sure is quite today
[21:46] <jrmy> !k3b
[22:08] <jrmy> is 4.0-4.2x a good speed to burn xubuntu to disc?
[22:08] <jrmy> this is what brasero is burning at
[22:09] <charlie-tca> sure
[22:10] <jrmy> apparently 3x is good for burning an image on dvd
[22:10] <jrmy> ive heard lower is better but.. yeah
[22:10] <charlie-tca> personally, I prefer any speed that actually works, compared to really fast burned coaster
[22:11] <jrmy> imo fast burning speeds are pointless
[22:12] <jrmy> unless we perfect burning with a laser on whatever material it is with the disc then yeah, pointless
[22:12] <jrmy> sure as hell cant put perfect copies of games on disc at high speeds
[22:16] <jrmy> how long till 10.04 is no longer supported?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> 2 1/2 years
[22:17] <jrmy> thats pretty good
[22:17] <jrmy> theres probably not to much difference between 10.10 and 10.04 though
[22:17] <charlie-tca> 10.04 is an LTS release, normal releases are supported for 18 months
[22:18] <jrmy> !LTS
[22:18] <jrmy> ah.. i never knew what LTS meant
[22:18] <knome> jrmy, you can also search the bot in query
[22:18] <jrmy> definition of query?
[22:19] <knome> jrmy, /query ubottu
[22:19] <jrmy> ok, thanks
[22:19] <knome> np
[22:23] <hydrozii> hello does anybody know how i can edit my zune's  music from buntu?
[22:24] <hydrozii> or can someone lead me to a related channel or something?
[22:25] <jrmy> how do i connect to another computer with linux on my network?
[22:29] <j1mc> hydrozii: i've just done some initial google-ing, but i don't see any signs that indicate there is zune support on ubuntu
[22:29] <j1mc> jrmy: there is an app on xubuntu called Gigolo... it is used for mounting network shares.
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Please make sure gvfs is installed before using it
[22:31] <jrmy> gvfs?
[22:31] <Sysi> gvfs
[22:31] <charlie-tca> getting the name
[22:31] <jrmy> the bot doesnt know
[22:31] <hydrozii> yah ive done some google-ing too.... but in banshee i can see my zune....
[22:32] <hydrozii> i just cant see the music in it or add music or anything
[22:32] <charlie-tca> gvfs-fuse must be installed for gigolo to work right
[22:32] <hydrozii> i guess ill have to make an xp vm and install zune software on it
[22:32] <j1mc> hydrozii: that sounds about right.  and banshee or rhythmbox would probably be your best bets for accessing zunes and ipods
[22:33] <hydrozii> yah well i was just hoping  maybe someone else had already edited their zune's music in banshee... and could tell me exactly how they did it
[22:33] <jrmy> what if im connecting to a computer with ubuntu 10.04?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't work install "gvfs-fuse"
[22:34] <jrmy> well im not sure how to use gigolo in the first place
[22:34] <jrmy> windows made it rather easy to connect to another computer
[22:35] <charlie-tca> !gigolo
[22:35] <charlie-tca> oops, broke it?
[22:35] <jrmy> i think i might have
[22:35] <jrmy> idk
[22:35] <j1mc> jrmy: what type of server is it?
[22:35] <j1mc> a windows computer?
[22:36] <jrmy> no ubuntu 10.04
[22:36] <jrmy> i dont get networking.. i didnt know a computer would be called a server
[22:37] <j1mc> jrmy: sorry, it doesn't need to be a server
[22:37] <j1mc> http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/share-files-between-2-ubuntu-computers/
[22:37] <j1mc> that gives some decent info.
[22:38] <j1mc> you can get your ip just by typing "ifconfig" at a command terminal
[22:38] <j1mc> it will look like, "inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>"
[22:39] <Sysi> they must be behind same NAT, but they usually are
[22:39] <jrmy> well i have a netgear N router
[22:41] <jrmy> and btw the site you gave me has instruction for 8.x versions of ubuntu
[22:42] <Sysi> ssh have existed longer than ubuntu, and i still use it :P
[22:42] <charlie-tca> Normally, it will work for later versions, too. It just may not be good for old versions.
[22:42] <knome> Sysi, REALLY?! you're so prehistoric
[22:42] <jrmy> ok so which of the 2 do i use on both computers?
[22:43] <jrmy> and will it work on the xubuntu one?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> ssh on both systems, ssh-server on the one you want to talk to
[22:54] <jrmy> ok ive got it working
[22:54] <jrmy> thanks
[23:01] <Hezy> charlie-tca: what about xubuntu to windows 7?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> should still be gigolo
[23:02] <charlie-tca> otherwise, you can use samba
[23:02] <Hezy> how do i config gigolo? never tried it
[23:03] <charlie-tca> I don't have windows
[23:04] <Hezy> you're a luck man (woman?)
[23:04] <jrmy> probably isnt hard
[23:04] <Hezy> lucky
[23:04] <charlie-tca> no luck to it. I just don't pay
[23:05] <jrmy> now to see if my xubuntu disc works :]
[23:06] <Hezy> yes, I'm with you. my girlfriend has a dell netbook with windows 7.
[23:08] <jrmy> i wonder if my friend would like xubuntu
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Most people can't tell you the difference, except the name sounds different, therefore it is
[23:09] <charlie-tca> and, "everybody" says you have to have windows, too
[23:09] <jrmy> i know the difference in speed on low mem computers
[23:09] <jrmy> speed is essential so me
[23:09] <jrmy> to*
[23:10] <jrmy> xp pro seems to run well on low memory
[23:10] <jrmy> from my few years of use
[23:10] <Sysi> i just need to say, i really hate xp
[23:11] <Sysi> 7 so much better, and still not very good
[23:11] <jrmy> i find it easier to do networking on xp versus 7
[23:11] <jrmy> especially bridging a connection
[23:12] <jrmy> anyways
[23:12] <jrmy> this is rather off topic
[23:13] <jrmy> oh and my xubuntu disc seems to work just fine.. oh and when it tests the disc for defect does it connect to the internet?
[23:13] <charlie-tca> It has to compare what is on the disc to the checksums
[23:14] <charlie-tca> but I don't think it needs a connection
[23:14] <jrmy> no i meant when you check it whilst in the grub menu or whatever when the disc boots
[23:14]  * charlie-tca knows his doesn't, because he uses static IP and it doesn't get an ip address to do the checks
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Should not need a connection unless you tell it to update during the installation
[23:16] <jrmy> should it take a long time for it to load the "try before installing"?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:16] <jrmy> k
[23:17] <charlie-tca> I have waited up to 9 minutes here, depending on the system and ram
[23:17] <jrmy> wow
[23:17] <jrmy> well this one has a 900MHz processor and 256MB of ram
[23:17] <jrmy> just finished loading
[23:27] <jrmy> how much difference is there between installing xubuntu from disc and installing it with another version of ubuntu with terminal?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> A lot of extra files
[23:28] <jrmy> which has extra?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Probably close to 1
[23:28] <charlie-tca> 1GB
[23:28] <charlie-tca> ubuntu
[23:28] <jrmy> so installing with disc is better?
[23:29] <charlie-tca> well, at least is smaller
[23:30] <jrmy> whats ubuntu's best use?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> New users from Windows
[23:31] <jrmy> well then i guess i made a good choice
[23:31] <charlie-tca> and those who have used Gnome and like it
[23:33] <jrmy> are older versions of xubuntu smaller?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> Not since way back
[23:34] <charlie-tca> 8.04 is, but then it started growing
[23:34] <charlie-tca> I think 10.04 and 10.10 went down again
[23:35] <jrmy> well it would be nice if future versions can still fit a cd
[23:35] <charlie-tca> We always have fit on cd
[23:36] <Sysi> with marginal
[23:40] <charlie-tca> under 700MB
[23:40] <kirill> hello there
[23:40] <charlie-tca> !hi | kirill
[23:40] <kirill> somebody can help me, i m newb in linux
[23:41] <charlie-tca> !help
[23:41] <kirill> sorry
[23:41] <jrmy> i just now got that dont ask to ask a question
[23:41] <jrmy> fail
[23:41] <jrmy> lol
[23:42] <charlie-tca> It is really impossible to help until the issue is known
[23:42] <jrmy> yezzir
[23:42] <kirill> i have ubuntu and install drivers for my video, but when i try xubuntu then i cant install drivers cose when i write make i ot errors
[23:42] <kirill> how i can install make tools in xubuntu
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Why not just use hardware drivers to install them
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> Hardware drivers
[23:43] <kirill> but when i write - make - i got error
[23:43] <charlie-tca> You shouldn't need to write - make
[23:43] <kirill> no i can download drivers and install it by myself
[23:44] <kirill> cos i have - via chrome video
[23:44] <charlie-tca> Then you probably have to check the website you got them from to see what is wrong
[23:44] <kirill> ye i got it from viaarena
[23:44] <kirill> then i try to install
[23:44] <kirill> in ubuntu all ok i make it and use
[23:45] <kirill> in xubuntu i cant make it
[23:45] <kirill> but ubuntu very slov on my pc i need xubuntu to use
[23:45] <jrmy> i had this problem with speed
[23:46] <kirill> so why there in xubuntu is absent utilites to make
[23:46] <charlie-tca> We don't pre-install what is not needed by most users
[23:47] <kirill> but how i can instll make utilites from internet
[23:47] <kirill> i reinstall build essential but it dont help me
[23:47] <charlie-tca> You should not be installing from anything but official repositories. If you are installing utilities from outside those, I don't know
[23:48] <kirill> but i got drivers from official via arena support portal
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Then they should have something tells you what to install to make it work
[23:49] <kirill> why u dont take this drivers to oficial repositories?
[23:49] <kirill> but on ubuntu all ok
[23:49] <kirill> this problem only on xubuntu
[23:50] <kirill> i dont thin thats in via they knew what wrong cose they support only ubuntu officialy
[23:51] <charlie-tca> Did you look in hardware drivers for the video driver?
[23:51] <kirill> yes there i found zero
[23:52] <kirill> nodrivers
[23:52] <kirill> i dont wont to use opechrome
[23:52] <kirill> its very slv
[23:53] <kirill> why i cant use normal drivers for ubutu in xubuntu
[23:53] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[23:53] <kirill> i just need to make it and make install
[23:53] <kirill> hats all
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Perhaps they were written to work in Gnome, and not in Xfce?
[23:53] <kirill> oooooooooooooo
[23:53] <kirill> may be
[23:54] <kirill> this is terrible situation
[23:54] <kirill>  try xlde and got alse this errors
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Again, you would have to discuss it with the driver people
[23:54] <kirill> via support very very bad
[23:55] <kirill> are there a channel with drivers support in this irc?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> heh, I don't seem to be much help for you either. I am sorry
[23:55] <kirill> ok senk u
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Maybe #ubuntu-x
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Those are the video people
[23:56] <kirill> theks i try it now
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Good luck


[07:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:27] <rbasak> cpaelzer: thank you for responding to the qemu machine type question.
[08:27] <rbasak> cpaelzer: on prompting the user on upgrade, the problem is that if every package did that (eg. MySQL has much of the same "must inform the user or it can't work" type issues) then the upgrade UX would be terrible, or the user wouldn't see anything.
[08:28] <rbasak> It's a shame we have no mechanism to tell the user anything.
[08:28] <rbasak> Eg. there could be some kind of "upgrade report" that every maintainer script that had difficulties could report to.
[08:28] <rbasak> So the user would be able to effectively have a custom set of notes based on the user's own upgrade.
[08:29] <rbasak> And would only need to be prompted once, at the end.
[08:29] <rbasak> But unfortunately we have no mechanism for this.
[08:32] <cpaelzer> rbasak: yeah that is too sad, I remember the same on other cases
[08:33] <cpaelzer> rbasak: but I kind of already planned for a fallback
[08:33] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that would be to make the libvirt returned error message way more readable and pointing to the case
[08:33] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that would (hopefully) at once beat it into virsh, virt-manager, and all other consuming tools
[08:34] <cpaelzer> rbasak: but that is all theoretical until I tried to look deeper at that area of code
[08:34] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I like that idea.
[08:34] <cpaelzer> rbasak: if everything fails I at least can write ton's of helping stuff into the serverguide
[08:34] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that is very much empty in regard to any of the topic
[08:34] <rbasak> +1
[09:33] <nymony_> Hi Guys, i thought it was possbile to masquerade subdomains on the mail gateway by using: "masquerade_domains = foo.example.com example.com". But i still see my originating server in the headers. Can anyone help me ? (Version 2.11)
[09:33] <nymony_> Using postfix btw
[09:34] <jhenke> Hi, can someone from the server team maybe look into bug 1636124? Right now the apache and mod_ssl do not offer TLSv1 and TLSv1.1, so a lot of older clients cannot connect to my server (including my wife's android phone)
[09:55] <sb_9> test message
[11:36] <cpaelzer> jhenke: Hi, I just looked at your bug - I think the test you did to check if tlsv1 is supported was incomplete
[11:37] <cpaelzer> jhenke: that said your overall web stack might still disable it somewhere
[11:37] <cpaelzer> jhenke: you can use the test I provided in the bug update to verify if you can connect with all three versions to your webserver
[11:38] <cpaelzer> jhenke: that at least would give you a local test and by that take all other parts out of consideration
[13:02] <huwjr> heya
[13:02] <huwjr> have just had a 16.04 server run out of disk space with 30gb free? anything i’m missing lol?
[13:03] <Pici> huwjr: is df saying that the space is still used?
[13:03] <huwjr> sorry - wrong disk, 13 was free
[13:03] <huwjr> : /dev/sda1        48G   32G   13G  72% /
[13:04] <huwjr> 72% used and PHP sessions were unable to save
[13:04] <huwjr> am i missing some limitation of /var?
[13:05] <Pici> Probably not... but if some file was still being used by something, and then  you deleted it, it may not have actually been freed on disk. I had a similar problem recently on another server I manage.
[13:06] <huwjr> hmm
[13:06] <huwjr> so you think i freed some space but didn’t release it so it was “locked”
[13:06] <huwjr> so the df -kh was reporting the incorrect usage?
[13:07] <Pici> Yep.
[13:07] <huwjr> entirely possible… would a restart resolve that?
[13:07] <Pici> I ended up restarting the process that had a hold on the file.
[13:07] <huwjr> as i did one and still had the issue..
[13:10] <huwjr> bit worrying lol
[13:10] <huwjr> i’ve got ~15gb of php sessions, so i’m able to clear a bunch of those short term… but as a server restart didn’t “fix” the issue i’m not entirely sure it is the above at all
[13:20] <huwjr> Pici: is there anything I can do to check real disk usage vs what is present d to me?
[13:45] <nmollerup> huwjr: if restart doesnt release the diskspace you may have a corrupted filesystem, you should force a fsck on it
[13:48] <ppetraki> can someone help me out with vmware + juju? it doesn't want to find my datacenter, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23374442/. I'm following these docs:https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/help-vmware
[16:03] <zul> wh00t....autopkgtest for oslo.db to run against a real mysql database
[16:20] <FManTropyx> "*** System restart required ***" wat do
[16:20] <WeAreScrewed2016> restart ?
[16:21] <FManTropyx> I guess that'd be one option...
[16:21] <WeAreScrewed2016> or dont
[16:22] <WeAreScrewed2016> thats two
[16:22] <FManTropyx> I'll decide later
[16:23] <jhenke> cpaelzer I tried your test and the problem is still that there are no ciphers for TLSv1 and TLSv1.1
[16:23] <jhenke> I have posted the details to the bug including the list of ciphers as configured for the site
[16:24] <jhenke> It should include plenty of ciphers for TLSv1 but it does not seem to be possible for client to negotiate those
[16:25] <jhenke> the stack is completely default besides my site configuration, apache2, libssl and mod_ssl are from the default Ubuntu repo
[16:25] <jhenke> so for me everythings points to a configuration problem with the libssl, which prevents more ciphers from being offered on the handshake
[18:45] <foo> Eh, must be something I'm missing here... I created dsa key, set it up to identify in ssh_config, added the .pub version to .ssh/authorized_keys on remote host... still asks me for a password. Did I miss something? (I also see the identity is passed when I ssh from my local system to remote server), I also tried with ssh-copy-id
[18:45] <foo> Fresh ubuntu install
[18:50] <jhenke> foo what does ssh says if you use the -v option? (or even -vv)
[18:51] <jhenke> it should display every step of the connection setup
[18:51] <jhenke> at some point it should offer the key to the server
[18:51] <foo> jhenke: thank you, https://bpaste.net/show/861623efd3d3 - jazz-key is the one I set up
[18:52] <jhenke> what are the permissions on the ~/.ssh folder and it's content on the server?
[18:53] <tarpman> foo: what is the server side running? distro version / openssh version
[18:53] <jhenke> the folder should be owned by the user and have 700 permission set
[18:53] <foo> jhenke: drwxrwxr-x 2 dev dev 4096 Oct 24 18:43 .ssh and -rw-rw-r-- 1 dev dev 599 Oct 24 18:43 .ssh/authorized_keys
[18:54] <tarpman> foo: openssh 7.0 and later disables DSA by default; see https://www.openssh.com/legacy.html and please migrate to RSA
[18:54] <tarpman> ... but it seems jhenke has the right answer this time :)
[18:54] <jhenke> foo ~/.ssh must have 700 permission set, otherwise openssh will ignore it
[18:54] <foo> jhenke: I will set that, but I did use dsa
[18:54] <jhenke> also better set 600 permission on all files inside
[18:55] <foo> I thought dsa was more secure than rsa
[18:55] <jhenke> foo better use ed25519
[18:55] <foo> jhenke: is ed25519 an encryption alg like rsa / dsa? geez I'm so rusty.
[18:55] <foo> I haven't done this in over 5 years, heh.
[18:56] <jhenke> it is an elliptic curve algorithm proposed by Bernstein
[18:56] <jhenke> contrary to other curves it's paramters seem less lickly to be choosen by the NSA or similar
[18:56] <jhenke> so you get the speed of ECC with a resinable level of trust
[18:58] <foo> thank you jhenke
[18:58] <foo> Switching from dsa to rsa worked, now to use ed25519
[18:58] <foo> There must have been some security vulnerability, or something, with dsa I missed
[19:08] <tomreyn> jhenke: just to be sure: you're not possibly fighting with the changed meaning of the mod_ssl SSLProtocol options? https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslprotocol
[19:08] <WeAreScrewed2016> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/arisada/2a0e9948fff455e757a533ff67e9f871/raw/cbd5027c696cb421100ab72847106267b00600d1/lnx-blaster2.sh
[19:08] <WeAreScrewed2016> ouch
[19:12] <jhenke> tomreyn in what sense changed? anyway I tried both "all" and listing all 3 TLS versions explicitelly
[19:12] <jhenke> none actually changed anything
[19:13] <tomreyn> how it changed is documented at th elink i posted. but if you did this, that's not your issue.
[19:14] <tomreyn> "[all] a shortcut for ``+SSLv3 +TLSv1'' or - when using OpenSSL 1.0.1 and later - ``+SSLv3 +TLSv1 +TLSv1.1 +TLSv1.2'', respectively (except for OpenSSL versions compiled with the ``no-ssl3'' configuration option, where all does not include +SSLv3)."
[19:18] <WeAreScrewed2016> can someone verify this on a test system:  https://gist.githubusercontent.com/arisada/2a0e9948fff455e757a533ff67e9f871/raw/cbd5027c696cb421100ab72847106267b00600d1/lnx-blaster2.sh
[19:21] <jhenke> tomreyn okay, I just did not see a change there, as I expected it to be like that, but yes, it made no difference, even more the funny thing is, that TLSv1.2 works, just not TLSv1 and TLSv1.1
[19:25] <tomreyn> WeAreScrewed2016: why dont you?
[19:26] <WeAreScrewed2016> sigh, I tested on my vm......seems to drop to a root shell, but broken one
[19:26] <WeAreScrewed2016> of course I am not asking anyone to test it on a prod system...shesh
[19:27] <tomreyn> i very much doubt it'd behave differntly on bare metal
[22:23] <LostSoul> Hi
[22:23] <LostSoul> I have problem
[22:23] <LostSoul> My mysql patition is full (100%)
[22:23] <LostSoul> How can I get free space?
[22:23] <LostSoul> Delete and optimize do not work
[22:25] <bekks> you have an issue with your keyboard too, issueing enter every few words.
[22:25] <bekks> You need to either expand you "mysql partition" or move your mysql data files to some places with more free space.
[22:25] <RoyK> bekks: probably not. people tend to do that if they're a bit stressed ;)
[22:26] <bekks> i
[22:26] <bekks> do understand
[22:26] <bekks> that
[22:26] <bekks> but
[22:26] <bekks> its not
[22:26] <bekks> helpful.
[22:26] <bekks>  :P
[22:26] <RoyK> doesn't help if you replicate it ;)
[22:26] <bekks> ;)
[22:28] <RoyK> LostSoul: pastebin stuff like output of 'df -h' and 'lsblk' and 'vgs', 'lvs' and 'pvs' and we may be able to help you
[22:28] <LostSoul> RoyK: Thank you and sorry for spam bekks
[23:24] <cncr04s> I need some sort of software that will take a bunch of source directories (in this case mounted drives) and provide an interface that will make all the files/folders inside seem in one location. I have a 10 dries, and I have to split all my files around all the drives. I can't find anything, I keep ending up checking all the drives untill I find the folder to put my files in or get the
[23:24] <cncr04s> files I need. Anyone know of anything. I'd end up having to code something if this isnt readily available, prolly using fuse lib. I think unRAID has something similar to what I speak of, but I'm using ubuntu of course.
[23:27] <tomreyn> cncr04s: why dont you just copy all of those files ontp one disk in the same directory? lack of space?
[23:28] <cncr04s> lack of space
[23:28] <tomreyn> cncr04s: so you want use RAID
[23:28] <cncr04s> diffrerent drive sizes
[23:28] <tomreyn> does not matter
[23:29] <tomreyn> i'm talking software raid
[23:29] <cncr04s> drives are not ment to be in a raid
[23:29] <tomreyn> why not?
[23:29] <cncr04s> they park and spin down when not in use
[23:30] <tomreyn> so will drives in a raid unless data on them is accessed (which is more likely with parity datam, but you don't need to have that).
[23:30] <tomreyn> so you're concerned about power consumption there?
[23:30] <tomreyn> or heat?
[23:31] <tomreyn> or disk lifetime?
[23:31] <cncr04s> concerned with one dieing, losing all data instead of just the drive that died
[23:31] <tomreyn> you have the same issue now, don't you
[23:31] <tomreyn> with a mirror raid, you can even loose drives and keep the data
[23:32] <cncr04s> I don't have enough drives for mirror, plus dfferent sizes
[23:32] <tomreyn> so without mirroring them, you still don't increase the probability of data loss compared to your current setup.
[23:34] <tomreyn> (and, as i also pointe dout before, different disk sizes are not an issue)
[23:42] <tomreyn> cncr04s: another option is for you to create a new directory on any of these file systems on these disks where you create (and later destroy, if the target goes away) symbolic links to all the files on all the directories of the other drives. i am not aware of a software which does this. and it's a rather expenbsive solution since you will need to write and regularly run an indexer so that your 'index' (those symbolic links) remain current.
[23:44] <LostSoul> RoyK: Thank you man, you saved my a** again :)
[23:46] <cncr04s> Folders are unque on the second level, generally, so I could possibly do that
[23:46] <RoyK> LostSoul: want to wire me some money? ;)
[23:47] <LostSoul> Hahaha RoyK :P
[23:47] <LostSoul> If I only earn nice $$$ ;)
[23:47] <LostSoul> I don't earn in $ nor in pounds :P