[00:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#3781 opened: extensions: refactor <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3781>
[05:24] <mborzecki> morning
[05:51] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[05:57] <mborzecki> hey
[07:54] <mardy> jamesh: hi! I'm trying to build a Gtk test app in Go (on Focal), but it looks like I'm not passing the build tags in the right way:
[07:54] <mardy> $ go build -tags "glib_2_66" -o /tmp/test ./cmd/cerberus-ui-prompt/
[07:54] <mardy> # github.com/gotk3/gotk3/glib
[07:54] <mardy> ../../gotk3/gotk3/glib/gbinding_since_2_68.go:14:9: could not determine kind of name for C.g_binding_dup_source
[07:54] <mardy> ../../gotk3/gotk3/glib/gbinding_since_2_68.go:23:9: could not determine kind of name for C.g_binding_dup_target
[07:55] <mardy> reference: https://github.com/gotk3/gotk3/issues/838
[07:55] <mardy> jamesh: do you know what I'm doing wrong?
[07:57] <jamesh> mardy: there's no mention of glib_2_66 in https://github.com/gotk3/gotk3/blob/master/glib/gbinding_since_2_68.go
[07:57] <jamesh> what if you use "-tags glib_deprecated"?
[08:00] <jamesh> mardy: it looks like that change happened after the last tagged revision: https://github.com/gotk3/gotk3/commit/4339d2baed7e8f86e2c34b7ffc3e86747da70c90
[08:00] <jamesh> so you could also specify v0.6.1 in your go.mod file
[08:11] <jamesh> mardy: for what it is worth, Go seemed kind of terrible for doing GUIs last time I tried.
[08:44] <mardy> jamesh: thanks, using the tag "glib_deprecated" brings me a bit further :-) This is just a quick PoC, for me to verify and demo a few things
[08:50] <mborzecki> mardy: that's the apparmor prompting code from zyga?
[09:09] <jamesh> mardy: did the idea of using the xdg-desktop-portal backend not work out?
[09:37] <zyga[m]> I, for one, would welcome our flutter overlords now
[09:37] <zyga[m]> flutter is so nice
[09:37] <zyga[m]> hey everyone :)
[09:46] <mup> PR snapd#11780 closed: overlord/hookstate/ctlcmd: add 'snapctl model' command (3/3) <Needs Samuele review> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11780>
[11:21] <mardy> jamesh: it works, but the D-Bus API of the Access dialog backend is a bit limited. We'd like to have things like separators, frames and maybe more text fields
[11:22] <jamesh> mardy: are you still going to be asking questions a user could realistically be expected to answer then?
[11:23] <mardy> jamesh: that's the goal
[11:42] <mup> PR snapd#11853 opened: daemon,systemd: support for journal namespaces when retrieving snap logs (6/n) <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11853>
[11:52] <mup> PR snapd#11854 opened: interfaces/builtin: add more permissions for steam-support <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11854>
[13:35] <leftyfb> any thoughts on my post from yesterday about the 65MB storage device showing up in nautilus which seems like it's for one of the previous version core20 snaps installed on my machine?
[13:39] <zyga[m]> leftyfb: I've seen this countless times when snaps refrehs, seems to be a race around loopback devices, I would advise you to see which loopback devices are in the system and cross-check that to snap revisions - it's possible there's a device that has no (more) matching snap
[13:44] <leftyfb> zyga[m]: yeah, I see loop5 as being the culprit. Should I just deregister that loopback device?
[13:45] <zyga[m]> perhaps look at logs with that device as the key
[13:45] <zyga[m]> maybe someone will finally grok the problem
[13:45] <zyga[m]> we had several ideas but they all went nowhere
[13:45] <zyga[m]> systemd version is also useful
[13:45] <leftyfb> systemd is 249.11-0ubuntu3.1
[13:45] <synthmeat> someone should change freenode link to libera, on the status page :) https://status.snapcraft.io/
[13:47] <zyga[m]> leftyfb: perhaps collect this and the logs, it's still mostly unlikely anyone has the focus to fix that now
[13:47] <leftyfb> zyga[m]: this is all I have in my journal logs the past week https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/gpzwt4JdDb/
[13:48] <leftyfb> I think that was just me messing with the mount
[13:49] <zyga[m]> leftyfb: I would suggest at looking at the log to see when the loopback device (the specific number) is first mounted and anything related around that
[13:49] <zyga[m]> still, I don't know - something is racy, but what?
[13:50] <leftyfb> zyga[m]: I just went back 21 days (my uptime) nothing else in the journal logs containing "loop5"
[13:50] <zyga[m]> then it's still a mystery
[13:50] <zyga[m]> for me it happened when my system was particularly bogged down
[13:51] <zyga[m]> on a more idle system it never happened
[13:52] <leftyfb> any problem with me just removing the loopback?
[13:52] <leftyfb> with: sudo losetup -d /dev/loop5
[13:54] <leftyfb> I would have done it already, but not sure if it's helpful to keep a reproduction of the issue for you to help troubleshoot. But it sounds like it's low priority and nobody has the time at the moment anyway
[13:55] <zyga[m]> I don't have time to trouble-shoot the issue now,
[13:55] <zyga[m]> I think it's okay to remove iff it's not mounted anywhere and it's not really a snap revision that's listed anywhere
[13:56] <zyga[m]> I would leave it as is unless you are very bothered by it
[13:57] <leftyfb> it's annoying but I'm mostly curious. Also maybe confirming a temporary "workaround" if a bug gets filed
[13:58] <leftyfb> zyga[m]: is there a bug already? If not, is it worth it for me to file one?
[13:58] <zyga[m]> I think there is, it was first reported years ago
[13:58] <zyga[m]> I spent a lot of time chasing this
[13:58] <zyga[m]> But I don't have a reference handy
[13:59] <zyga[m]> I'm not involved in snapd on a daily basis
[14:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#3782 opened: Feat/sigint <Created by Guillaumebeuzeboc> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3782>
[14:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#3778 closed: extensions: Add environment variables for runtime <Created by sergio-costas> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3778>
[14:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#3773 closed: extensions: Add paths for Gtk3 modules <Created by sergio-costas> <Closed by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3773>
[14:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#3781 closed: extensions: refactor <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3781>
[15:47] <leftyfb> zyga[m]: losetup didn't remove the loopback device. Rebooting removed it of course
[16:36] <zyga[m]> leftyfb: interesting, what was the name of the snap that ws attached there again?
[16:37] <leftyfb> core20
[16:37] <leftyfb>  /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core20_1434.snap (deleted) on /media/leftyfb/disk type squashfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,uhelper=udisks2)
[16:42] <zyga[m]> HA
[16:42] <zyga[m]> I think I know what happens then
[16:42] <zyga[m]> I had a hunch - it had to be a base snap leaking
[16:42] <zyga[m]> and indeed it was
[16:42] <zyga[m]> thanks
[16:44] <leftyfb> zyga[m]: sweet, so I was able to provide some info to help with fixing the overall issue?
[16:44] <zyga[m]> yes but I won't have time to look at it
[16:44] <zyga[m]> but perhaps someone from the snapd team (disclaimer: I left almost two years ago) might?
[16:45] <leftyfb> ogra: ?
[16:45] <zyga[m]> perhaps bboozzoo can think of something
[16:46] <zyga[m]> ogra is not touching that part AFAIK and it's a bit tricky on first contact
[16:46] <zyga[m]> or mardy ?
[18:19] <stgraber> hey there, we've recently been seeing "cannot refresh "lxd": snap "lxd" has running apps (lxc), pids: XYZ". What's the way to disable this particular check to get the "old" behavior back?
[18:20] <stgraber> For LXD, the service handles being restarted just fine and for the CLI client, it's not a problem at all if it remains running during a refresh. LXD has logic to then internally wait up to 5min for all clients to be done with what they're doing, send notifications and then process with the daemon restart anyway.
[18:21] <stgraber> this change of behavior from snapd now allows an unpriv user on a system to prevent a lxd refresh which is a security issue
[18:21] <stgraber> (as even users that aren't part of the "lxd" group can effectively hold a refresh)
[19:23] <zyga[m]> stgraber: I don't remember if there's a check you can opt into, the stack was using systemd scope to keep track of living pids that belong to an app
[19:23] <zyga[m]> stgraber: perhaps discuss with pedroinis for ideas on how to make exceptions
[19:24] <zyga[m]> stgraber: non-daemon apps were in the holding set, perhaps there's a CLI tool that is not a daemon but is long-enough-lived?
[19:24] <stgraber> yeah, looking at the snapd code, I see it skipping daemons but I don't see any logic to skip non-daemon
[19:24] <stgraber> I'll file a security issue against snapd and see what folks say
[19:29] <zyga[m]> it's by design
[19:30] <zyga[m]> there's an upper limit after which the refresh continues
[19:30] <zyga[m]> it's on the order of a week or two (last time I worked on this was in 2020 so ... it may have changed)
[19:30] <stgraber> right but that limit appears to be days, not minutes
[19:30] <zyga[m]> after that time the refresh is carried out no matter what
[19:30] <zyga[m]> yes
[19:30] <zyga[m]> it was aimed as "I'm not restarting my browser"
[19:30] <stgraber> for us, this new behavior can hold an entire cluster, preventing all API interactions for days
[19:30] <zyga[m]> *at
[19:30] <zyga[m]> indeed
[19:30] <zyga[m]> do you know which process is the holdout?
[19:31] <stgraber> right, I wrote that in the security bug, it's fine for firefox, makes sense :)
[19:31] <stgraber> in our case, it was a random long-running "lxc exec' or "lxc monitor"
[19:31] <zyga[m]> I see
[19:31] <zyga[m]> perhaps snap run --no-track might be something like on the right track
[19:31] <stgraber> those can run for days/weeks but are expected to be terminated by LXD when it handles an upgrade
[19:31] <zyga[m]> with a flag to excempt an app from tracking
[19:32] <zyga[m]> per app
[19:32] <zyga[m]> or an API, hard to say what is right
[19:32] <zyga[m]> btw, I think lxd CI would benefit from testing snapd experimental features
[19:32] <zyga[m]> this was around for literally years
[19:32] <zyga[m]> not blaming anyone (my participation is small) but I think it's surprising this came out this late
[19:37] <stgraber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1978005
[19:37] <mup> Bug #1978005: Snap application prevents daemon refresh <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978005>
[19:38] <stgraber> I've heard of the feature being developed for a while (the whole desktop refresh notification) but apparently wrongly assumed that it would be opt-in
[19:38] <stgraber> and not forced on everyone without even a way to opt-out of it
[19:39] <zyga[m]> I see, I think there was a missing comms link then
[19:41]  * zyga[m] clones snapd
[19:42] <stgraber> I see a function being passed that's called to determine if a given application will hold refresh or not but it's currently only used to let daemons through
[19:43] <stgraber> looks like plumbing that to a new field in app YAML shouldn't be particularly difficult
[19:43] <zyga[m]> yes, I think this is simple to patch, apart from design on what the right thing is
[19:43] <zyga[m]> yes
[19:43] <zyga[m]> I will do that in a moment
[19:43] <zyga[m]> I wish I could see people's faces when they see a PR from me :P
[19:43] <zyga[m]> snapd has a lot of history...
[19:45] <zyga[m]> stgraber: I must say I'm happy to see this discussion here, where I can casually notice it, instead of happening on mattermost
[19:46] <stgraber> yeah, not sure why people use MM for what should be public discussions
[19:46] <stgraber> but then we have the problem of not having mvo or pedronis online on here after work hours
[19:47] <zyga[m]> I think they may be a bit overworked, also not that much is happening on irc anymore :/
[19:48] <zyga[m]> (though with matrix, it's a silly excuse not to have a client connected)
[19:48] <zyga[m]> (still cloning)
[20:05]  * zyga[m] pokes snapd a little
[20:20] <zyga[m]> stgraber: running regression test now
[20:22] <stgraber> cool!
[20:31] <zyga[m]> I think CI is not in a happy place
[20:31] <zyga[m]> quiet: eatmydata apt-get install --no-install-recommends -y python3 autoconf automake autotools-dev build-essential ca-certificates clang curl devscripts expect gdb gdebi-core git indent jq apparmor-utils libapparmor-dev libglib2.0-dev libseccomp-dev libudev-dev man mtools netcat-openbsd pkg-config python3-docutils udev... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e3bc4b738917f0e38ae4c0fc3fbfa1e8b985de3f)
[20:32] <zyga[m]> let me try a draft PR perhaps?
[20:41] <zyga[m]> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11855
[20:41] <mup> PR #11855: Do not track apps that wish to stay outside of the life-cycle system <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11855>
[20:44] <mup> PR snapd#11855 opened: Do not track apps that wish to stay outside of the life-cycle system <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11855>
[21:00] <zyga[m]> CI is in a happier spot, I will know if my patch works soon
[21:06] <zyga[m]> stgraber: the fix seems to work
[21:06] <stgraber> zyga[m]: nice!
[21:06] <zyga[m]> I will extend the regression test to make sure it's not a fluke, to test both ways
[21:18] <zyga[m]> stgraber: force-pushed with both scenarios tested
[23:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#3779 closed: meta: handle version git <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3779>
[23:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#3783 opened: pack: display snap filename <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3783>


 Hi. Is it normal that I still cannot see upgrade from 20.10?
[11:29] <Maik> @ksenchy to 21.04? Yes that's normal. If you read the Ubuntu release notes you notice that the upgrade path has been closed for now until the shim bug has been fixed
 Thanks for confirming
[11:30] <Maik> a fix is out but needs another week of testing via proposed before it comes in via the notmal updates
 👍
[11:30] <Maik> notmal/normal
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[19:14] <Roey> hi
[19:14] <Roey> anyone here use KDE COnnect?
[19:38] <Maik> Roey: why?
[19:38] <Roey> came up on a problem
[19:38] <Roey> found it in the bug tracker
[19:39] <Roey> wondering if anyone's done anything on it since it was reported.
[19:39] <Roey> Maik: ^
[19:39] <Roey> KDE bug 417787 in kdeconnect (android-application) "sshfs key exchange methods deprecated" [normal,] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417787
[19:40] <Roey>  and this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect/+bug/1872075
[19:40] <Roey> ^ that is the problem I'm experiencing.
[19:41] <Maik> Roey: which Kubuntu release?
[19:41] <Roey> Maik: 20.10
[19:42] <Roey> Maik: it *worked* this morning
[19:42] <Roey> then I took my phone, and it was like..in mid-file transfer
[19:42] <Roey> came back home, tried connecting again, and encountered this problem.
[19:43] <Maik> not familiar with it. Sorry
[19:43] <Maik> maybe someone else knows
[19:43] <Roey> k.  Thanks anyway
[20:05] <user|74585> APPLE DESKTOP
[21:03] <user|2167> hola gracias por estaoportunidad. necesito saber si con kubuntu 1804 puedo hacer screenmirroring.  Desde ya muchas gracias.
[23:27] <alaa> ls
[23:28] <Guest49542> hi
[23:28] <Guest49542> what is that ?


[00:00] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/3385/
[00:00] <raji> asac, quilt push -a applied all patches, didnt give any errors. I think it works.
[00:00] <asac> now the patch looks like
[00:00] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/3386/
[00:00] <asac> raji: you have to apply your patch on top
[00:00] <asac> see above
[00:00] <asac> anyway ... next time you know where to look :)
[00:01] <raji> asac, yes sir, I hope my second patch will be as clean as yours next time :) . thanks for accepting the changes.
[00:03] <asac> thanks :)
[00:04] <asac> thats ok ... i will commit what i have here now to the branch
[00:09] <asac> raji: fix is now in bzr branch (rev 86)
[00:30] <raji> asac. great. thanks for letting me know.
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[15:16] <bfiller> patm, kyleN : do we have a list in any of the documents you guys have been working on off the new dev work that we need to do for Compal?
[15:17] <kyleN> bfiller: the "diff". i thin patm had on, but it is probably not complete given recent prd changes
[15:17] <kyleN> darn typos
[15:21] <dholbach> Mithrandir, StevenK: will somebody of you take care of bug 181304?
[15:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181304 in bluez-gnome "[bluez-gnome] Please upgrade to new upstream version release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181304
[15:48] <Mithrandir> StevenK: ^^ ; if you could take care of that whenever you have the time, that'd be good
[15:49] <smagoun> bfiller: kyleN patm this is a public channel
[15:52] <bfiller> smagoun: my bad again
[17:05] <kyleN> lool, hey. Do you know whether debian packaging supports any kind of a signing mechanism? Such a mechanism would enable a facility through which client could control what apps a customer can install.
[18:10] <agoliveira> rustyl: Hi Rusty. Looks like there's a problem with your git repository. I'm trying to download the latest moblin-applets withoout success. Can you confirm that to me?
[18:12] <agoliveira> Anyone from Intel feel free to step in and respond, please :)
[18:13] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: works fine for me (over ssh)
[18:13] <Mithrandir> moblin.org doesn't seem to have a working git daemon atm, for some reason
[18:14] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I'm just using git clone and I starts nicelly but b0rks about half way.
[18:17] <Mithrandir> try pulling git://git.err.no/moblin-applets and see if that works for you.
[18:44] <davidm> I think rustyl is at CES today
[18:58] <rustyl> just got back
[18:58] <rustyl> i flew in for a bunch of meetings, then got back last night and then slept late this morning
[18:59] <rustyl> agoliveira, what protocol were you attempting to use? http? ssh?
[19:00] <rustyl> I don't think we offer git: since we use ssh: for people that need write access and have http and rsync
[19:00] <agoliveira> rustyl: Hi. It was http IIRC. I aways have done it and it usually works.
[19:01] <rustyl> agoliveira, we might be having transient issues with the hosting service
[19:01] <rustyl> especially if the transaction started and then failed half-way through
[19:01] <agoliveira> rustyl: Makes sense as it's starting nicelly and b0rking half way. I got it from Tollef anyway.
[19:02] <rustyl> HappyCamp_ubuntu, have you seen the above?  Anything funny happening i the system logs?
[19:04] <Mithrandir> in general, it's better to use rsync than http, git hosting over http is prone to hiccups IME.
[19:36] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Agree.
[21:24] <lool> kyleN: You can sign package repositories or actual deb files; the former is the most common; however there's simpler: I think the application installer software on the N8x0 for example is checking whether you're installing from a particularly named repo
[21:25] <kyleN> lool, thx - good info
[22:28] <inuka_desk> bryce, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm which src package is it gutsy or hardy that you need the patch for, also are you applying any other patches other than ours?
[22:30] <bryce> inuka_desk: gutsy
[22:31] <bryce> well, it's the same package in gutsy and hardy both
[22:32] <bryce> the log I posted is with only one patch (01_default_perms.diff), which I expect should not conflict, or at most would have only a couple conflicts
[22:33] <bryce> I also tried building with both patches 100_ and 101_ - which were the moblin patches from last time.  It also failed; I assumed that the new patch should supersede these
[22:40] <inuka_desk> bryce, do you mind pointing to what you have in the debian. My patch should work on top of your existing patch.
[22:41] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/libdrm/
[22:41] <inuka_desk> bryce: what we get is a patch corresponding to each release, which we combined to one huge patch along with psb header files.  I created the patch assuming the other two patches are already applied.
[22:42] <inuka_desk> bryce: thanks I will take a look at that
[22:44] <bryce> procedurally, it would be better for me if these patches were left broken out as individual patches applied in series
[22:44] <bryce> this way, if one of the patches is broken, it can be handled and dropped/repaired/refactored in isolation from the others
[22:45] <bryce> currently with it being one big (63,000 line) patch, it's practically impossible to do anything with it on my end if it doesn't apply
[22:46] <inuka_desk> got it, the reason we did that was because Jacob had issues with the older patches. I will try to break it down.
[22:47] <bryce> also, it would be *really* useful to have a summary of what the patches are and what they do
[22:47] <bryce> because that can give a clue if, for instance, a broken patch might be a dupe of or in conflict with another ubuntu patch
[22:47] <bryce> oh, along those lines -
[22:48] <bryce> waldo mentioned that the libdrm changes were already taken upstream,
[22:49] <bryce> are the libdrm patches you're putting together used simply to resync up to git head?
[22:49] <bryce> if so, then perhaps rather than doing it via patches, we should just create a literal git snapshot of libdrm?
[22:53] <inuka_desk> upstream but unreleased,  not exactly we add the psb headers into the patch as well...
[22:54] <bryce> hrm
[22:54] <inuka_desk> basically if you create a snapshot of libdrm at the point of the merge and add in the psb header files you should be at the same point as the patch.
[22:56] <bryce> hmm
[22:56] <inuka_desk> It maybe better if I just clean up this, and make the psb-kmd-dev dependancy of xf86-video-psb so that the headers are pulled, that way you can make snap shot and make things easier and a lot cleaner
[22:56] <inuka_desk> I have been doing this for the next release not for Beta03 though
[22:56] <bryce> that's what I'm wondering as well
[22:57] <inuka_desk> you take psb-kmd and xf86-video-psb from moblin as is right?
[22:57] <bryce> what is psb-kmd?  I've never heard of it
[22:58] <inuka_desk> the poulsbo kernel driver (graphics)
[22:58] <bryce> I take -psb from moblin, but I repackage it with a different debian/ directory.
[22:58] <bryce> amit handles the kernel side of things, I assume he takes care of that
[22:59] <inuka_desk> oh ok.
[23:00] <bryce> since psb is requiring libdrm to diverge so drastically from what's in Ubuntu, it's growing less and less likely that we'd be able to port much if any of this back to ubuntu proper
[23:00] <bryce> so it looks like UME will have to have its own forked off version of these things anyway
[23:04] <inuka_desk> for now I guess I will provide with you an other patch
[23:07] <bryce> sorry if I seem frustrated; it's just the more UME's X diverges from the main Ubuntu X, the larger a time commitment it imposes on me
[23:08] <bryce> but I know it's not anyone's fault, it's just the process is driving things in this direction on its own
[23:20] <inuka_desk> understood, we are trying to clean up things on our end.... as well. its a huge web :)
[23:22] <bryce> I can imagine :-)


[01:47] <pleia2> on my way to SVLUG for ROBOTS! :)
[01:49] <akk> me too!
[01:50] <pleia2> yay!
[02:37] <akgraner> you all have the coolest events.../me need to move to CA  :-)
[02:37] <akgraner> s/need/needs
[02:58] <MarkDude> akgraner, yes we do :)
[02:58] <MarkDude> And yes you need to move out here with the family
[02:58] <akgraner> MarkDude, I don't think the other Graner's would feel the same way :-(  but I can try
[02:59] <MarkDude> Yes, they would the kids would just start speaking like I do
[02:59] <MarkDude> Well not Pete maybe, I dont want hom to kick my ass, he is most dangerous man in FOSS
[03:00] <MarkDude> He might decide to grow similar mustache as me tho, so you best stay away
[03:28] <akgraner> :-)  too funny!
[23:15] <broder> bah, apologies for the list-spam, folks. i didn't notice there was a reply-to set
[23:16] <pleia2> s'ok, allowed me to tell everyone that RSVP is appreciated ;)


[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:41] <jodh> I've updated the wiki with details of dual-booting with MultiROM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Details_of_installing_MultiROM_and_Modified_Recovery_to_Enable_Dual-Boot. Would be great if someone could "test" this section (and maybe add screenshots ;-)
[09:30] <dholbach> jodh, I made a tiny few little changes to the doc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation?action=diff&rev2=28&rev1=27
[09:31] <dholbach> jodh, trying to boot raring-preinstalled-deskto give me "Error - Kexec-hardboot support required to boot this ROM. Use kernel with kexec-hardboot support. Touch anywhere to close"
[09:31] <dholbach> booting "Internal" seems to work though
[09:32] <jodh> dholbach: sounds like you forgot to flash the kexec kernel (step 25).
[09:32] <dholbach> weird - let me retry
[09:32] <jodh> dholbach: you can go back and do that now if you boot into the bootloader, then into recovery and select MultiROM.
[09:33] <dholbach> let me try
[09:56] <dholbach> jodh, that made it work - perfect
[09:56] <jodh> dholbach: great! :)
[10:00] <dholbach> ogra_, looks like the background is still corrupted during oem-config - also onboard was hidden by the wifi dialog, so I couldn't enter anything in there
[10:01] <dholbach> hum, I can't enter anything at all?
[10:01] <ogra_> dholbach, both known issues, i wonder if we should switch back to metacity
[10:01] <ogra_> a reboot fixes the input issue
[10:01] <dholbach> do we have bug reports for both?
[10:01] <ogra_> i think so
[10:04] <dholbach> can't find either of them
[10:05] <ogra_> bug 1093050
[10:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1093050 in ubuntu-nexus7 "OnBoard doesn't work on text boxes during initial setup" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093050
[10:05] <ogra_> is the input one
[10:05] <dholbach> ah yes, I must have overlooked that one
[10:05] <ogra_> bug 1080437 is one incarnation of the other issue
[10:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080437 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "no background during the 13.04 daily install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080437
[10:06] <ogra_> or bug 1088692
[10:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080674 in cairo "duplicate for #1088692 [QEMU] Corrupted desktop screen for raring desktop installation in QEMU guest (Cirrus graphics). Affects KVM but not VBox." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080674
[10:06] <dholbach> ah ok, I was just looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 nevermind
[10:07] <ogra_> or it could be bug  1081260
[10:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1081260 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/ubiquty/wallpaper crashes after boot of livecd" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081260
[10:07] <ogra_> not sure about that one, but it is cosmetic anyway
[10:07] <ogra_> the input one is worse
[10:08] <ogra_> jodh, be very careful about the dual boot images, afaik the userspace has some very heavy hacks, i'm not sure we can accept bugs from such an install
[10:11] <xnox> I managed to get a wallpaper to work - instead of wallpaper use gnome-settings-daemon to paint the wallpaper, which doesn't help derivatives =(
[10:14] <ogra_> jodh, in fact i would prefer if we would not have any instructions on the wiki that make them look official and just have the XDA link instead so people grok it is some modified third party image
[10:16] <ogra_> xnox, well the input stuff is more worrying than shiny wallpapers :)
[10:16] <ogra_> (which we could just call modern art :P )
[10:19] <jodh> ogra_: feel free to remove them if you wish. I appreciate there are risks, but I thought I'd share as imho it might encourage more to explore Ubuntu on the Nexus if they could keep the existing image.
[10:19] <dholbach> yes, we had a number of requests already
[10:19] <dholbach> what kind of "heavy hacks" were you referring to?
[10:19] <jodh> ogra_: added to which, the existing instructions on dual-booting that I'd found on the web were confusing at best ;)
[10:21] <jodh> ogra_: just a thought - if we keep the instructions, is there any way we could have apport detect that the Ubuntu image was booted via kexec and thus flag any bugs raised as "potentially tainted" (particularly useful for kernel bugs I guess).
[10:24] <ogra_> dholbach, look at the xda thread
[10:24] <ogra_> i havent inspected them
[10:24] <ogra_> until someone has i wouldnt recommend that image on the official install instructions
[14:34] <reisei> hi, all! Can I access the Nexus 7 accelerometer from Ubuntu? I need to get the values,
[14:36] <Tassadar> reisei: take a look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jani/+junk/nexus/view/head:/nexus.go
[14:37] <Tassadar> accelerometer is used in there to rotate the screen
[14:38] <reisei> Tassadar: but I need just the values :)
[14:38] <Tassadar> that's why I said take a look, there is the path to accelerometr data in there
[14:39] <Tassadar> this looks like it's folder: /sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:device0/
[14:40] <ogra_> Tassadar, long outdated
[14:40] <ogra_> the images already have accel support
[14:40] <Tassadar> well yeah, I just wanted to show him how to access the data, and it is pretty easy to see in that code
[14:41] <ogra_> reisei, make sure to have the latest ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 package installed, it ships accelerometer support
[14:41] <ogra_> in /usr/bin/acceld is the very simple shellscript that reads the values
[14:41] <Tassadar> oh, okay
[14:42] <ogra_> i'll add something similar for the ambient sensore the next days
[14:42] <ogra_> *sensor
[14:52] <reisei> ogra_: thanks!
[14:52] <reisei> Tassadar: thanks too!
[16:17] <plars> ogra_: hi, around?
[16:17] <plars> ogra_: we talked last week about having a fully installed image for n7, is that available now?
[16:17] <ogra_> plars, sorry, i'm a bit behind but working on it
[16:18] <plars> ogra_: no worries, any ETA?
[16:18] <ogra_> but you wouldnt have any fun with it anyway until we have images again ...
[16:19] <ogra_> seems the livefs builder park is moving or so, the last three image build attempts failed and #is couldnt give me an ETA
[16:19] <plars> ogra_: ah, I saw there is no image since 20th, but wasn't sure what was wrong
[16:19] <ogra_> plars, i plan to have the code ready and uploaded tomorrow during my day, but you will need the stuff built into the image to use it
[16:20] <plars> ogra_: ok, sounds good
[16:20] <ogra_> with luck they are back again tomorrow, i'll make sure you get an image with the bits inside once they are
[16:21] <jragon> Hi
[16:27] <ogra_> achiang, bug 1103000, do you remember why we dropped that patch ? i forgot why, i just remember many things were broken when we tried
[16:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1103000 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Need to charge from USB hub with power connector" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103000
[16:28] <achiang> ogra_: hm, i think it caused hangs
[16:28] <achiang> ogra_: like it broke the rest of USB
[16:29] <achiang> ogra_: but janimo would know for sure
[16:29] <ogra_> oh, right, i remember now, yeah, it broke the whole USB stack
[16:30] <ppisati> how do i tell flash-kernel to install my $dtb?
[16:30] <ogra_> ppisati, i doubt it has any DTB support at all yet
[16:30] <ppisati> ah
[16:30] <ogra_> apart from kernels where you cat'ed the dtd at the end
[16:31]  * ppisati wonders again why we updated flash-kernel...
[16:31] <ppisati> ogra_: attached dtb is not an option for multiplatform
[16:32] <ogra_> ppisati, indeed
[16:32] <ogra_> ppisati, file a whishlist bug ... some code how you would do it manually would also help
[16:32] <ogra_> i'll try to get to it
[16:33] <ppisati> ogra_: i'll do once i push my fist multiplatform kernel (probably tonight or tomorrow)
[16:33] <ogra_> k, thx
[16:33] <ogra_> ppisati, and we updated because the former version was even more painful
[16:34] <ppisati> ogra_: the previous version had more stuff hardcoded, but it had DTB support
[16:34] <ppisati> ogra_: i just decided to update my im6x to latest flash-kernel to try it out
[16:34] <ppisati> ogra_: and it was a bad decision :)
[16:34] <ogra_> i could have told you :P
[16:35] <ppisati> anyhow
[16:36] <ppisati> it i like the /usr/share/flash-kernel/db/
[16:36] <ppisati> s/it//
[16:37] <ppisati> */usr/share/flash-kernel/db/ thing
[16:37] <ogra_> yeah, thats the biggest benefit the upgrade brought us
[16:47] <Tassadar> ogra_: should I add ubuntu-nexus7 as affected project to bug 1089038? It is relevant mostly to nexus 7, and now it is just sitting among all other bugs in initramfs-tools package
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1089038 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "[PATCH] Add support for booting from subdirectory in root" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089038
[16:48] <ogra_> well, its a pretty generic initramfs feature, i dont thinnk its nexus7 related
[16:51] <Tassadar> okay, I just felt like I should try to push things a bit from time to time
[16:52] <ogra_> well, the review team is subscribed, no need for making noise
[16:52] <ogra_> it will be in the sponsoring/reviewers queue
[16:53] <ogra_> though your chances are likely higher to get it in if you send it to debian, it adds additional delta to debians initramfs-tools
[16:54] <ogra_> which ubuntu will have to maintain
[16:54] <Tassadar> I've sent it to ubuntu because I use it in my multi-boot tool, but it also needs the loop option (mounts image as root), which is only in ubuntu
[16:55] <ogra_> yes, still, its a burden ubuntu would have to carry
[16:56] <ogra_> having it in debian will get it us for free
[16:56] <Tassadar> maybe I could send both to debian....
[16:57] <ogra_> right, that surely makes things easier on the ubuntu side
[20:08] <sim590> Anyone's got an idea why a partition table would just disappear?
[20:09] <sim590> I just booted my TF101 today and my partition table was gone..


[00:08] <Drecondius> Anybody have an amd-fx series processor and have issues with booting live or installed ubuntu oses?
[00:13] <Jona> Hi guys, I'm looking for people who have installed Oracle in Ubuntu 12.04? is that possible?
[01:02] <wilee-nilee> here I am Jona,
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> lol
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> very possible I suspect you mean vbox?
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> Doh a very old post
[06:00] <bigal> Hi, when i restart my computer I loose the share settings on the mounted drives. How can I keep the share details afte a restart?
[06:01] <bigal> I am running ubunu server
[06:02] <bioterror> configure them into /etc/samba/smb.conf if I remember right
[06:02] <bioterror> if you use samba for your shares
[06:17] <bigal> bioterror - I looked at that file and could find no references to maintaining the mount after a restart
[06:17] <bigal> I am a real noob with ubuntu
[06:17] <bioterror> if you're talking about windows shares
[06:17] <bioterror> then samba it is
[06:18] <bioterror> and with the server
[06:18] <bioterror> add all the drives in to /etc/fstab
[06:20] <bigal> OK all I have is /etc/fstab.d as a directory which is empty
[06:30] <bioterror> w0t? :D
[06:31] <bioterror> does ubuntu do things nowdays a different way that I did not know
[13:31] <duanedesign> hrl=ello
[13:31] <duanedesign> and hello


[08:02] <pavlushka> সবাইকে বৈশাখের দ্বিতীয় দিবসের শুভেচ্ছা!
[08:02] <pavlushka> Heya Kilos !
[09:33] <pavlushka> Kilos: does QA serves tea?
[09:34] <pavlushka> *serve
[09:39] <Kilos> lol nope
[09:39] <Kilos> QA tea please
[09:39] <QA> Bring your cup with tea bag already in and you can share the boiling water Kilos
[09:39] <Kilos> there you go
[09:45] <pavlushka> lol
[16:22] <Kilos> hi there Ekushey hows things
[16:46] <pavlushka> thanks Kilos !
[16:46] <Kilos> yw
[17:24] <Kilos> aw
[17:24] <Kilos> pavlushka you should have greeted annasha
[17:25] <Kilos> aw her host dropped
[18:15] <pavlushka> good night guys!
[18:37] <Ekushey> All is well, Kilos
[18:37] <Kilos> good
[18:38] <Ekushey> Here's an article one of our members wrote: http://www.dhakatribune.com/op-ed/2016/apr/13/bangladesh-needs-its-own-linux-operating-system
[18:39] <Kilos> what is wrong with ubuntu
[18:41] <Ekushey> He wrote about Ubuntu :)
[18:41] <Kilos> yes i see
[18:41] <Kilos> some of our banks are using ubuntu
[18:42] <Kilos> its time microsoft gets fazed out
[18:42] <Ekushey> We did some advocacy over here, in banks it's not possible.
[18:42] <Kilos> why
[18:42] <Ekushey> Our central bank relies on some software from Indian companies, which runs on Windows only
[18:42] <Kilos> oh my
[18:43] <Kilos> so india needs to be educated first
[18:43] <Ekushey> I should say this but I'm sure these companies bribed the central bank guys.
[18:43] <Ekushey> These banking software costs a lot of money...
[18:44] <Kilos> always bribery where big money is involved
[18:44] <Kilos> backhands
[18:44] <Ekushey> Funny part is, there's this Bangladeshi company that has a baking software used in 30+ countries, except Bangladesh :P
[18:44] <Kilos> oh my
[18:45] <Ekushey> *banking software
[18:45] <Kilos> yes i figured you meant that
[18:45] <Kilos> i make many typos so can work out most of where other peeps do it
[18:53] <Ekushey> :)
[18:58] <Kilos> Ekushey tell him well done , nice article , send it to all govt and banks
[18:59] <Kilos> and well done yourself with the fonts
[18:59] <Kilos> one day give me a picture of whay a banga keyboard looks like
[19:00] <Kilos> if everyone works together they can achieve great things
[19:24] <Ekushey> Thanks!
[19:25] <Ekushey> We had bit of trouble with the fonts...
[19:26] <Kilos> its worth the efoort to get things working to suit you people
[19:26] <QA> Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Kilos all good here" 15 minutes and 52 seconds ago
[19:26] <Ekushey> There's a commerical font developer here (a big company) who got pissed off at our free fonts
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <Ekushey> He was losing money as people stoppped buying his products
[19:27] <Kilos> thats the name of the game
[19:27] <Kilos> teach him about foss
[19:27] <Ekushey> And the owner of this company is the very close to our prime minister
[19:28] <Kilos> oh my
[19:28] <Ekushey> There were lot of harassments
[19:29] <Ekushey> I hate this sort of politics but people like them are everywhere
[19:30] <Ekushey> Not very easy a achieve a lot in a poor/developing country like ours I guess
[19:30] <Ekushey> *easy to
[19:30] <Kilos> we have the same problems
[19:30] <Kilos> who you know, not what you know
[19:35] <Ekushey> What I learnt over the years is that the less noise you make the easier you can serve your purpose here
[19:38] <Kilos> pity that
[19:40] <Ekushey> In a poor country like ours, money is more important than philosophy to most people
[19:44] <Ekushey> This is something first-world people will not understand I guess :)
[19:44] <Ekushey> Anyway excuse the negetivity
[19:47] <Kilos> nono i completely understand
[19:48] <Kilos> here even the cops like getting backhands
[19:48] <Kilos> the whole world is corrupt now
[19:48] <Kilos> money rules
[19:48] <Kilos> very sad actually
[19:51] <Ekushey> Yeah
[19:55] <Ekushey> There was another earthquake in Japan
[19:55] <Kilos> tonight?
[19:55] <Ekushey> 9 people died in yesterday's one
[19:55] <Ekushey> Yup
[19:56] <Kilos> end times coming closer
[19:56] <Kilos> whew
[19:57] <Ekushey> There was a quake over here as well on Wednesday... few buildings got cracked and some people were injured while trying to get out of buildings
[19:58] <Kilos> wow
[19:59] <Ekushey> We are not used to it at all as it doesn't happen often
[19:59] <Ekushey> Small ones, once every few years
[19:59] <Kilos> frightening
[20:00] <Ekushey> But even if they are small ones, people get scared since they are not used to it... specially the women
[20:00] <Kilos> yes of course
[20:01] <Ekushey> Last time it happened in 2015 February, 3 people died
[20:01] <Ekushey> 2 in heart attack, and 1 trying to get out of the house by jumping from the balcony
[20:02] <Kilos> oh my
[20:04] <Ekushey> However, for many years scientists are telling that we're in a danger zone, as according to recorded history huge quakes occured in this area in every 80 years. But there was none in the last 100 years.
[20:05] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[20:05] <Kilos> thats not nice to hear'
[20:05] <Kilos> shaking builings is very frightening
[20:05] <Kilos> buildings
[20:07] <Ekushey> Yup


 And the meetup app finally was updated
 October 7th meetup?
 The dock in Unity isn't that bad
 Its not
 Nautilus on the other hand...I qm not sure about
 https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS/
 @Ivoriesablaze
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftuUiXpFhwU
 Dang misleading title.
 Has anyone have issues stayimg connected on Freenode?
 They have been having ddos attacks
 I read that yesterday. I thought they would havw reaolved it by now
 have
 Its quiet... too quiet
 Be careful... its a trap!
 I'm hunting rabbit
 opps I mean macs
 Can anyone tell me the video game quote that was from?
 mm weird Chase just followed me on Twitter and want to DM me
 Are you sure it is the real chase account and not a scam?
 https://twitter.com/Chase
 it's vertified
 Ok, who knows
 I asked why and waiting on a reply
 this is weird: https://twitter.com/Chase/status/781576136954347520
 Can't use Android pay
 So try to see if it works for you guys
 Oh, Ill take it
 K
 http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~tvillare/win10/index.html
 http://ubuntu-gnome.kmyers.me/?showguide=false
 Needs a lot of work but similar concept
 click on Cortana though lol
 heh, i didn't know there was an owncloud droplet on digital ocean
 it runs on 14.04, though
 It would be expensive to host OwnCloud on DO
 Depends if it's just for contacts and calendar stuff
 I can get dedicated servers for $60 per month with 2 TB of disk and 16 GB of RAM. Each server has dual quad core Xeon processors and 10 TB of transfer
 from where?
 damn
 not that i can afford it
 Hell, I can get a Supermicro Dual L5420 with 16 GB of RAM and 2x 1 TB disks for $35 per month
 10 TB of bandwidth on a 1 GBPS port
 why not just use a local server like the nuc
 or pi
 instead of paying for one
 My home internet connection is not the best and in the event that my house is out of comission, I still have my data
 The hardware can be replaced, my data is not easy to replace
 ah, true
 I have a local copy of my data as well but my OwnCloud instance is where I keep the primary copy, which gets synced to all of my other devices
 ah
 And for anything above 1 TB with any other cloud provider, it is less expensive for me to colo a box and host it myself
 I can also secure it the way I want to (full disk encryption)
 Everyone here using the desktop client of Telegram?
 I am
 The snap one
 well, the chrome extension... bc chromebook
 c720 fo lifee
 :D
 CB3
 those x86_64?
 yep
 nice
 dualboot?
 @Abrerr, I am. Even though I reninstalled last night. So I need to re setup Telegram again.
 So I got sucked into discord
 XD so sad
 and that's why I forget to check telegram
 *looks around dazed* .. hi.
 Telegram makes me enter the code about every other day on the laptop.
 not sure why
 I've been checking out a game that came out on steam http://store.steampowered.com/app/525610/
 Its got a lot of negative reviews but that's because there's some minor bugs that make it a little confusing. If you really want to learn electronics and digital logic I think it still worth it, especially at 5usd its a good practice tool.
 Looks cool
 I hope back and forth between Telegram app and the Discord one.
 Last couple updates mostly added ainistrative tools
 administrative


[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: unless you want to show off ubuntu to friend then by all means!!
[11:53] <noob> what is livecd, is it my ubuntu cd?
[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: special cd that runs from cd and doesn't require installation
[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: not recommended but for on the move and showing off to converts <G>
[11:53] <noob> it's not my ubuntu cd?
[11:53] <neighborlee> no
[11:53] <noob> lol, sorry, im a bit mixed up :)
[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: no biggie
[11:54] <Pozac> ogra, true.. I only use it to correct the drive (stupid naming system) :)
[11:54] <dagron> there is a LiveCD and an install-cd. LiveCD is only the preview of what it will be like when it's newly installed.
[11:55] <noob> ok, but can I use my ubuntu install cd to create a new boot record?
[11:55] <dagron> like Knopix. you don't have to install Ubuntu to run the livecd.
[11:55] <noob> or i have to use a liveCd
[11:55] <noob> if so, ill try to find a livecd cause i dont have one
[11:55] <noob> i only have the ubuntu install  cd
[11:55] <dagron> I have seriosly no idea. how can you have trouble with ubuntu?
[11:55] <Pozac> Can't he just chroot into his old system and run that grub?
[11:55] <Pozac> that would be totally easy
[11:55] <neighborlee> noob: I've done it before but with FC cd
[11:56] <dagron> sweet.
[11:56] <neighborlee> noob: knooppix may work dunno...but I know FC cd works by going into whats called 'rescue mode'
[11:56] <noob> dagron, i dont really have prob, i reinstall win xp on my primary hd, and it kill my boot record , so now i cant boot on my sec. hd
[11:56] <dagron> that sucks dude :S
[11:56] <noob> yrp
[11:56] <noob> i really dont know how to do this
[11:57] <neighborlee> noob: for that you only need disk#1 of FC..as I say knoppix may do it I dont know...but I know FC does...
[11:57] <dagron> format /dev/hda2 ?
[11:57] <mdke> noob, you could try the ubuntu install cd i guess. But be careful :)
[11:57] <mdke> noob, otherwise any live cd will do: knoppix, gnoppix, gentoo etc
[11:57] <noob> mdke, yep that what i thoug, but i hope not to erase my linux
[11:58] <noob> damn microsoft windows :P
[11:58] <mdke> noob, kill windows
[11:58] <noob> lol :P
[11:58] <mdke> you don't need it
[11:58] <noob> i need for work
[11:58] <mdke> ;)
[11:58] <neighborlee> noob: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/ < go there and get : FC3-i386-disc1.iso   and burn it to a cd..reboot and go into rescue mode and then run: grub-install hda ( if wrong someone correct me)
[11:58] <noob> Autocad and 3d software
[11:58] <noob> :)
[11:58] <Blackwell> i wonder about the design or rather changes that ubuntu does to debian. i am looking for a way to "sanely" get a debian desktop "configuration" done without wading head to toe through what debian folks may consider initiation rites. :)
[11:59] <Quest-Master> How good do you guys consider Fedora?
[11:59] <ogra> Blackwell: so use ubuntu.....
[11:59] <mdke> #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:59] <Quest-Master> lol
[11:59] <noob> neighborlee: ok ! ill check this out
[11:59] <noob> thanks
[11:59] <Pozac> Inferior? :)
[11:59] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, I dont like it really..I feel like a guinea pig <G>...but the rescue mode works fine <G>
[11:59] <ogra> Blackwell: sounds like thats what youre looking for
[11:59] <neighborlee> LOL


[05:53] <kgiii> This may be of some importance: https://admin.phacility.com/phame/post/view/11/phacility_is_winding_down_operations/ (Also, I'm not here. I'm sleeping.) They're the Phabricator people, and I think that's the same 'phab' we use.
[06:57] <lynorian> +thanks for brining that to our atention kgiii
[06:57] <lynorian> yes that is same phab
[14:26] <kc2bez> Thanks for that information kgiii
[18:51] <kgiii> No problem lynorian & kc2bez.


[00:06] <bajaboy>  Is the orinoco driver compatible with a WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES] encrypted network?
[00:10] <bajaboy>  Is the orinoco driver compatible with a WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES] encrypted network?
[00:14] <bajaboy>  Is the orinoco driver compatible with a WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES] encrypted network?
[00:14] <Yashy> So I just installed xubuntu 7.10 i386 where I had xubuntu 7.10 amd64. Even though uname -a shows SMP, when I do "grep core /proc/cpuinfo" it's only saying 1 cpu core. It was recognizing the dual core under xubuntu amd64
[00:24] <Yashy> Linux delly 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:24] <zoredache> Yashy: I am pretty sure the 'uname -a' is just telling you the kernel was compiled with the SNP functionality
[00:24] <zoredache> not that it detected a SMP processor
[00:24] <Yashy> Any idea why it's only detecting an SMP processor?
[00:25] <zoredache> how many, and what kind of processors do you have?
[00:25] <Yashy> AMD 64 X2 5000+  (dual core amd)
[00:25] <Yashy> dmesg | grep CPU shows
[00:25] <Yashy> [    5.316000] CPU #1 not responding - cannot use it.
[00:25] <Yashy> [    5.468000] Brought up 1 CPUs
[00:25] <Yashy> Not sure why #1 isn't responding?
[00:26] <Yashy> Worked fine under amd64 xubuntu
[00:26] <zoredache> did you try googling that messsage?
[00:26] <Yashy> [    0.000000] SLUB: Genslabs=22, HWalign=64, Order=0-1, MinObjects=4, CPUs=2, Nodes=1
[00:28] <zoredache> this seems to be a common issue, I am getting several hits on google... I am not seeing a solution though
[00:28] <Yashy> yeah, I searched online before asking here
[00:29] <zoredache> serveral people seem to think that a using a newer kernel makes things work
[00:31] <zoredache> a couple people seem to think booting with the 'noapic' kernel helps
[00:37] <Yashy> noapic didn't fix my issue
[00:37] <philphoto> ok so I did multiple reboots measuring boot time after changing various lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst  and still my boot time is no faster than 3:20.  any advice on how to speed this up?
[00:38] <Yashy> philphoto: Applications -> System -> Services # remove as many as possible
[00:38] <zoredache> philphoto: why are you adjusting the menu.lst to change the boot time, and what are you calling 'booted'?
[00:39] <philphoto> zoredache: I'm measuring boot time from bios post to login screen
[00:40] <zoredache> adjust grub only tweaks kernel options which is a small part of the boot process
[00:41] <zoredache> there is the starting of services and such that also take up a significate ammount of time...  Follow Yashy's advice to get edit things in a gui
[00:44] <philphoto> which services don't I need?  by stopping them at boot will i be cutting out anything the system normally relies on?
[00:45] <philphoto> zoredache: i also can't get that splash screen to work.  I login with three minutes of black screen.  I'd like a splash or even text showing me what's going on
[00:45] <zoredache> philphoto: yes, stopping services will reduce functionality...  As for which ones you don't need, you'll probably have to google for that
[00:45] <philphoto> right, right
[01:07] <Yashy> Anyone have any other ideas on how I get my my dual-core CPU recognized properly?
[01:32] <Tailsfan> Hi, Which Packages do I install to get the properitary codecs for Xubuntu
[01:34] <neur1> did you go to add/remove and get ubuntu restricted
[01:38] <Tailsfan> neur1, no, but I will try, I have to wait for Xubuntu to install on my Desktop, then install ndiswrapper and get my Wi-Fi Adapter Recognized
[01:39] <somerville32> xubuntu-restricted-extra
[01:40] <somerville32> *extras
[01:40] <Tailsfan> Thanks, I'm installing Xubuntu now on my Desktop (that is all my rig can support :))
[01:40] <Tailsfan> I have a old Compaq Deskpro
[01:40] <somerville32> :]
[01:41] <Tailsfan> but for my internet, it can be a piece of crap
[01:42] <heavenlyblade101> allo all
[01:43] <Tailsfan> Hello
[01:45] <Tailsfan> It's SO old, it doesn't even have ACPI
[01:45] <Tailsfan> and Xubuntu has Shutdown probs, I have to turn my OC iff hard
[01:45] <Tailsfan> PC*
[01:47] <heavenlyblade101> hey, i was thinking about puting Xubuntu on my lappy, if i do that is there anyway to have XP as my primary os and not use grub?
[01:48] <Tailsfan> Why?
[01:48] <heavenlyblade101> i dont like the grub loader and i wanna be able to just toss in an XP disk and format the drive if i dont want linux anymore.
[01:49] <Tailsfan> Oh
[01:49] <Tailsfan> Acronis Boot Loader is all I can think of
[01:50] <Tailsfan> and there are some boot Loaders on Ultimate Boot CD
[01:50] <heavenlyblade101> when u dual boot two windows os' you get a default boot loader, i wanna use that one
[01:53] <ron_o> anyone know of an application that can read what manufacturer a DVD comes from?
[01:57] <neur1> heya somerville32 what version are you using?
[01:57] <somerville32> 8.04
[01:58] <neur1> did you ever try to get fluxbox working?
[01:58] <neur1> or does it come with it?
[01:59] <somerville32> no, I run Xubuntu
[02:00] <neur1> with xfce, but you never tried to get fluxbox working with it?
[02:01] <somerville32> No
[02:01] <heavenlyblade101> sorry, i was afk.
[02:01] <heavenlyblade101> no one knows how to use the ms dos boot loader to run ubuntu?
[02:01] <neur1> i was gonna try to, because xfce is still a little to much for my laptop
[02:02] <neur1> a ibm 600e with 288ram
[02:02] <heavenlyblade101> whats xfce? lol sorry, total n00b
[02:03] <neur1> the default desktop manager that comes with xubuntu
[02:03] <heavenlyblade101> oh
[02:03] <neur1> like ubuntu has gnome
[02:04] <heavenlyblade101> i see, now i know waht ya mean
[02:04] <neur1> it confused me too lol
[02:05] <neur1> because xfce looks like gnome
[02:05] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[02:05] <heavenlyblade101> yeah, its just faster
[02:07] <heavenlyblade101> so to aviod grub, could i install xubuntu, and THEN XP or is there a choice to instal grub?
[02:08] <ron_o> you have to install XP first then linux..
[02:08] <ron_o> XP will take over your master boot record.
[02:08] <neur1> if you install xp after xubuntu it'll erace it i think because xp doesn't see it
[02:09] <heavenlyblade101> oh.
[02:09] <ron_o> and you want grub..
[02:09] <ron_o> the thing is when you install grub after XP for a dual boot, you'll need to kind of manually tell grub where XP is..
[02:09] <ron_o> a dual boot isn't easy, mine you.
[02:10] <heavenlyblade101> no lol i dont, last time i had grub on a system i couldnt get rid of it, i had to pull the drive, slave it, then format it
[02:10] <ron_o> then you want Lilo?
[02:10] <ron_o> lilo is much harder to use than grub.
[02:11] <ron_o> yah, because grub took over your master book record. However, there were probably easier ways to get rid of it than what you did.
[02:11] <heavenlyblade101> i want the boot loader that xp uses lol, if u dual boot XP then u get a microsoft boot loader
[02:11] <ron_o> you can't use XPs boot loader with a dual boot with linux.
[02:12] <zenrox> you can but its a pain
[02:12] <ron_o> just like you can't have your cake and eat it too.
[02:12] <ron_o> zenrox, well *he* can't. :)
[02:12] <zenrox> grub is better at handling linux and xp
[02:12] <ron_o> I couldn't do that.
[02:12]  * ron_o doesn't use Windows anymore. :_)
[02:12] <ron_o> what a relief.. :)
[02:12]  * heavenlyblade101 needs windows on his lappy, he was raised with it lol
[02:13] <zenrox> so was i but i changed that
[02:13] <ron_o> well, after I had to reinstall windows98 two years ago I decided instead to go the linux route. It was way easier than dealing with reinstalling everything I had with Windows.
[02:13] <heavenlyblade101> i would gladly put xubuntu or ubuntu on this lappy but i dont wanna take any risks with it.
[02:13] <ron_o> then don't do it.
[02:14] <heavenlyblade101> thats why i want to have linux as a secondary
[02:14] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[02:14] <ron_o> make backups.. or live with the consequences.
[02:14] <zenrox> i dual boot win and linux on a friends lappy
[02:14] <neur1> i dual boot
[02:14] <heavenlyblade101> whith what boot loader?
[02:14] <zenrox> and kept his restor partion
[02:14] <zenrox> grub
[02:14] <ron_o> it's a pain to do that. I had to buy PartitionMagic some years back to get it done.
[02:15] <zenrox> dont need toi do it any more
[02:15] <heavenlyblade101> with grub, an u have XP as the primary, so you dont automaticly boot to linux?
[02:15] <ron_o> Windows even throws some arbitrary files/applications in the end/middle of the hard drive.. no doubt for this reason.
[02:15] <zenrox> ubuntu's partion editor off of the live cd handels the resizing of a windows partion
[02:15] <ron_o> zenrox, no, there are great p... you said it. :)
[02:15] <zenrox> lol
[02:16] <ron_o> anyway, heavenlyblade101, even dual booting with linux has its problems. It's not really for amateurs.
[02:16] <ron_o> with computers, if something bad can happen it will.
[02:17] <heavenlyblade101> i know a fair bit about computers its just linux, lol
[02:17] <ron_o> the thing I love about linux is if you really want an application you can get it -- for free. And it's safe without malware and secure.
[02:18] <ron_o> heavenlyblade101, well, you don't sound too sophisticated to me. You said you wanted Xubuntu with Windows w/o risk.
[02:18] <heavenlyblade101> is it still illegal to edit windows programs on linux lol
[02:18] <ron_o> 'illegal'?
[02:18] <heavenlyblade101> and lol i just meant with little risk
[02:19] <ron_o> well, whatever term you use, it's risky.. the risk is proportional to your knowledge of both OSs.
[02:19] <heavenlyblade101> ha yeah, that is true.
[02:20] <ron_o> good luck.  :)
[02:20] <Yashy> I'm having two issues as a result of my NVIDIA driver in the restricted drivers category. If I remove it, xfce will only let me do 800x600. Is there another easy alternative that I can remove this proprietary broken driver and yet still do 1600x1200?
[02:21] <zenrox> add 1600x1200 to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for the bitrate you use
[02:21] <zenrox> leave the driver installed
[02:22] <zenrox> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.24-10-generic |  Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1999.978 MHz | Bogomips: 4004.22 | Mem: 489/757M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 109.32G Free: 25.23G | Procs: 101 | Uptime: 15 mins 47 secs  | Load: 0.53 1.58 1.45  | Vpenis: 229349.2 in | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) @ 3200x1200 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 23.65M Out: 41.31M
[02:22] <zenrox> Sensors: CPU:temp2 Fan: 0 RPM Case:temp1 Fan:fan1
[02:22] <Yashy> with the driver installed, one of the issuesis frequent "screen locks" (I lose access to the mouse)
[02:23] <zenrox> what video card
[02:23] <zenrox> and os
[02:23] <Yashy> [GeForce 6150 LE] xubuntu 7.10 i386
[02:24] <zenrox> are u using the nvidia-new-glx
[02:24] <zenrox> if not install that
[02:24] <Yashy> ii  nvidia-glx-new                             100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10                  NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver
[02:25] <zenrox> ok remove that and the l-r-m and get that driver from nvidia and install it manualy
[02:25] <zenrox> thare are nice howtos on the forums
[02:27] <neur1> thanks guys
[02:27] <Yashy> actually I shouldn't assume it's the nvidia driver, I just see other people mention it online
[02:27] <Yashy> My issue is usually within 10 minutes of booting the OS, the mouse locks up
[02:27] <Yashy> keyboard still works, and everything else
[02:27] <zenrox> might just be a config issue of a board issue
[02:28] <zenrox> of=or
[02:29] <zenrox> Yashy: also to get the 169.12 driver from nvidia.com
[03:25] <Yashy> I'm having the same issues as mentioned at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=488073 Any advice on how to debug?
[03:25]  * j1mc looks
[03:26] <Yashy> frequent mouse lockups
[03:26] <j1mc> so the mouse just stops moving?  it doesn't disappear, right?
[03:26] <Yashy> usually within 10 minutes of rebooting. Not sure how to unlock it without rebooting either, and nothing in /var/log* about the error
[03:27] <Yashy> correct, it's still there you just can't move it
[03:27] <j1mc> wow... hm. i've never heard of that.
[03:27] <j1mc> did you find any other examples on the web of that happening?
[03:28] <j1mc> like, maybe even for other distros?
[03:28] <Yashy> I've got a dell c521, and those in that thread have an e521 dell. Or could be the fact they are all daal core amd64 boxes <shrug>
[03:29] <Artem> Does anyone have experience with getting wifi cards working?
[03:29] <Artem> I'm kinda stuck.
[03:29] <j1mc> artem, what card are you using, and what version of xubuntu are you using?
[03:30] <Yashy> Artem: Do you have a specific question?
[03:30] <Artem> Wait, maybe I found what I need.
[03:30] <Artem> And sorry, I'm still really new at this.
[03:30] <Yashy> j1mc: seems to be xubuntu specific from the links I've seen
[03:31] <j1mc> Yashy: i'm not sure how i can help with that issue.... let me research a bit.
[03:32] <j1mc> Yashy: can you enter things into the keyboard?
[03:32] <j1mc> does that work?
[03:36] <Yashy> yes
[03:36] <Yashy> keyboard still works
[03:36] <Yashy> and I can ssh in remotely still
[03:36] <Yashy> just the pointer that seems to be affected
[03:37] <j1mc> hrm.  thanks.
[03:39] <j1mc> Yashy: what kind of graphics card do you have, and what driver do you use?
[03:42] <Yashy> GeForce 6150 LE
[03:43] <Yashy> ii  nvidia-glx-new                             100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10                  NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver
[03:43] <Yashy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279626 seems many people having this issue
[03:44] <Yashy> on page 6 now of the thread, seems that linux kernel sending power to USB devices is finicky, and that is the reason. Apparently if you use a powered USB hub for your mouse, this will not occur
[03:44] <j1mc> thanks for that info, Yashy.  which version of xubuntu are you running?
[03:44] <Yashy> strange there is no mention of other USB devices being affected, including the stock USB keyboard
[03:45] <Yashy> xubuntu 7.10 on i386, I had the same issue on amd64 of the same
[03:45] <j1mc> ok.  weird.
[03:45] <Yashy> (I switched to i386 today hoping it would go away, but it exists in i386 as well)
[03:45] <j1mc> right
[03:45] <j1mc> were you using the proprietary nvidia driver in amd64, too?
[03:46] <Yashy> yup
[03:47] <j1mc> it is kind of weird that those posts are from 2006... and it's the same issue
[03:51] <j1mc> Yashy: ... that seems to be a good thread, at least the end of it.
[03:52] <j1mc> i would suggest updating your bios, and checking to make sure plug'n'play is enabled in your bios.
[03:52] <j1mc> of course, the nvidia driver is closed source, too... so we can't really do much to fix it (if that is the problem)
[03:53]  * Yashy is trying now with "acpi=off irqpoll pci=routeirq"
[03:53] <j1mc> so you may want to go back to the regular "nv" driver if this continues to happen.  of course, that means no 3-d rendering.
[03:53] <j1mc> ok... good luck.  i need to go off and do some work now.
[03:53] <Yashy> yup, I'm on dell's site looking for the BIOS update now
[03:53] <j1mc> :)  cool.
[03:53] <Yashy> Thanks for helping, I appreciate it.
[03:53] <j1mc> i hope things work out.
[04:38] <PsynoKhi0> hey, does a USB stick require a fstab entry to work properly?
[04:41] <somerville32> PsynoKhi0: It shouldn't
[04:41] <somerville32> Thunar volume manager should mount it for you
[04:43] <PsynoKhi0> mount works now, but once thunar starts browsing the files I get roughly 10 seconds before HAL crashes onmy USB
[04:43] <PsynoKhi0> I have to modprobe it to get it back
[04:44] <PsynoKhi0> brb
[05:15] <PsynoKhi0> back... got it to work fine a week agao, haven't touched the PC since and for some reason it's poo now
[05:28] <Artem> Can someone please help me figure out how to install ndiswrapper? I've got xubuntu 6.06 alternate, if that helps. Sorry to bother, but at my level of comprehension as of so far, I can't really get anything to work.
[05:31] <ere4si> Artem, go to applications - system - synaptic package manager and open that - click the search button and type   ndiswrapper   and hit enter - then right click the box for it and choose install
[05:33] <ere4si> I would select ndisgtk - the dependencies will automatically be installed with it
[05:35] <Artem> What's ndisgtk?
[05:37] <Artem> Heh, never mind. Google is my friend.
[05:37] <ere4si> Artem: it is the graphical frontend to ndiswrapper - a window for it so you don't have to use command line
[05:38] <ere4si> Artem, if you click a package in synaptic an explanation about it appears at the bottom
[05:40] <Artem> I did a search for ndisgtk, but couldn't find anything. I installed ndiswrapper, do I have to restart for changes to apply?
[05:41] <ere4si> Artem: open a terminal and type ndiswrapper - if it is ready it will start - which xubuntu are you on?
[05:41] <Artem> 6.06 alternate?
[05:42] <ere4si> !info ndiswrapper
[05:42] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in gutsy
[05:42] <ere4si> !ndiswrapper
[05:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:44] <ere4si> Artem, click on the settings menu in synaptic - then repositories - and make sure all for edgy are selected
[05:45] <Artem> edgy?
[05:46] <ere4si> sorry - dapper then Artem ...
[05:46] <Artem> Sorry...
[05:46] <Artem> Thanks a bunch for helping me out.
[05:46] <ere4si> Artem, the ndisgtk is probably in the universe or multiverse repositories
[05:47] <ere4si> Artem, that's what this chat channel is for :)
[05:50] <Artem> *Sigh* Where can I find repositories?
[05:51] <Artem> Although, I'm getting an error, "Could not download all repository indexes"
[05:52] <ere4si> Artem, at the top there's    file edit package settings help    click settings then click repositories - that's how it is on my gutsy install
[05:52] <Pharserror> is there any reason I shouldn't have access to the chkconfig command in Ubuntu?
[05:52] <ere4si> sudo first?
[05:53] <ere4si> Artem, don't know why that would happen
[05:53] <ere4si> !ndiswrapper | Artem
[05:53] <ubotu> Artem: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:54] <Artem> I'm not connected to the net on the machine in question, so maybe it can't download the necessary repositories?
[05:54] <Pharserror> ere4si, I've already used sudo -s
[05:54] <Pharserror> so im at root level
[05:54] <ere4si> Artem, of course - that would make it hard
[05:56] <Artem> Heh.
[05:56] <ere4si> Pharserror, I don't have chkconfig on my comp so have no more suggestions - does seem strange tho
[05:57] <Pharserror> why is it that you don't have it either? do you know how to get it?
[05:57] <Artem> So, with no ethernet connector, I can't access the files on the internet to get my network card running so I can go onto the internet. Talk about a recursive situation. ;>
[05:59] <ere4si> Artem, you can walk the packages to the other comp with a mem stick
[06:00] <Artem> Is working with ndiswrapper from the terminal that hard?
[06:00] <ere4si> Pharserror, what does it do - is it in synaptic?
[06:01] <Pharserror> it's for managing the rc[0-6].d directory tree
[06:01] <ere4si> Pharserror, there's the sysv-rc package for doing that in synaptic
[06:02] <Pharserror> i'll check synaptic, but an apt-get install chkconfig doesn't produce anything
[06:02] <Pharserror> ere4si, the tutorial I'm following for setting up this LAMP server calls for this specific command
[06:04] <ere4si> Pharserror, the first two google results for it are red hat based
[06:04] <ere4si> Pharserror, it is not in synaptic at all
[06:04] <Pharserror> hmm
[06:04] <Pharserror> damn redhat shit
[06:04] <ere4si> Pharserror, sysv-rc will let you change services in runlevels
[06:05] <Pharserror> ere4si, can I get that through apt-get install sysv-rc -y?
[06:05] <ere4si> Pharserror, yep
[06:06] <ere4si> Pharserror, what's the -y?
[06:06] <Pharserror> ere4si, shorthand for --install-dependencies
[06:06] <ere4si> k
[06:25] <Pharserror> exit
[07:05] <rabiddachshund> what are the minimum specs required for xubuntu?
[07:06] <Artem> depends.
[07:06] <Artem> I know that it runs on 64MB Ram.. actually, let me get you the site.
[07:06] <rabiddachshund> How about an original pentium and 80MB ram?
[07:06] <Artem> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[07:07] <Artem> Scroll to minimum system requirements.
[07:07] <rabiddachshund> I've got the alternate so 80MB ram should be fine but it just doesn't want to boot up.
[07:08] <Artem> Ah, did you do the OEM install?
[07:08] <rabiddachshund> It takes 10+ minutes and just stops.
[07:08] <rabiddachshund> nah, text mode
[07:08] <Artem> Hrmm. Strange.
[07:09] <Artem> But I don't really know.
[07:09] <rabiddachshund> I can try the recovery mode (or whatever the second option is) and it gives an error about no screens present.
[07:09] <Artem> Someone more knowledgeable should be able to help you. :> There are plenty of them here.
[07:09] <Artem> ...somewhere.
[07:09] <rabiddachshund> well, actually it does boot up into a terminal but when I try to start X it gives that error.
[07:09] <rabiddachshund> heh.
[07:10] <rabiddachshund> wait... Artem. Is that short for Artemeis?
[07:10] <rabiddachshund> or Artemaeis?
[07:11] <Artem> No, no. Just Artem.
[07:11] <rabiddachshund> Oh, nvm then.
[07:11] <rabiddachshund> Thanks though.
[10:33] <nraic> What are ubuntu 64 users doing about flash these days? Last time I had to installed a 32 firefox bin with a plugin. Is there now a easier way?
[11:38] <Hibby> afternoon
[11:40] <Hibby> slight unusual problem - can use my panels at the top and bottom but I can't see them
[11:40] <LeAstrale> sounds strange to me
[11:40] <Hibby> but only after I've started compiz
[11:41] <LeAstrale> why use compiz at all? it just an ethernal Beta version
[11:41] <Hibby> true, but so is gmail and I use that ;)
[11:42] <Hibby> wait
[11:42] <Hibby> managed to get the panels back
[11:42] <LeAstrale> Hibby: i haven't used compiz on Xubuntu so im not the right person to answer the question
[11:42] <Hibby> by changing desktops
[11:42] <Hibby> thats a random bug. Aye well.
[11:42] <LeAstrale> must be :)
[11:42]  * LeAstrale is listening to 33 - Def Leppard - High 'n' Dry (Saturday Night) [Amarok]
[11:43] <LeAstrale> Yihaa.. Def Leppard :D
[11:43] <Hibby> quality
[11:45] <Hibby> must run, class is over!
[11:45] <Hibby> back later, probs
[15:03] <whitman> I've got a HP LaserJet 4050N attached to the computer, running xbuntu 7.10, via parallel port.  I've added the printer but trying to print a test page does nothing.  I get a message saying it has been submitted as job x but the printer doesn't do anything.
[15:21] <whitman> Progress. I've installed the printer via the LPT option rather than directly selecting the printer and now the print jobs go to the printer, but it tries to use Tray 1 even though Tray 2 is set in the options.
[15:39] <Shinjin> Can anyone here help me with a small problem?
[15:40] <TheSheep> !anyone | Shinjin
[15:40] <ubotu> Shinjin: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[15:40] <Shinjin> Okay, I usually just ask that to make sure someones here though. Anyway. How do I edit what appears in my applications menu?
[15:41] <Shinjin> I have the menu editor open but I can't edit the part that says ---include---
[15:41] <TheSheep> settings->menu editor
[15:41] <TheSheep> that part is generated automatically from files installed with your applications
[15:42] <TheSheep> but you can add to it or override the entries
[15:42] <Shinjin> But I installed something and want to remove it from the menu because wine didn't
[15:42] <Shinjin> How?
[15:42] <TheSheep> just make your own entries called the same way above it
[15:42] <TheSheep> (and in submenus called the same way)
[15:42] <Shinjin> But I want to remove something
[15:43] <TheSheep> why?
[15:43] <Shinjin> Cause I don't have it anymore and that folder is already really full
[15:44] <TheSheep> if you uninstalled it, the menu entry should have been uninstalled with it
[15:44] <Shinjin> But it wasn't
[15:44] <TheSheep> then report a bug to wherever you got the application from
[15:45] <TheSheep> it means it left files behind
[15:45] <Shinjin> I'm sure they won't care since it's a windows application.
[15:45] <TheSheep> ah, windows, you should have said that
[15:45] <Shinjin> I said it was ran with wine
[15:46] <TheSheep> sorry, must have missed that
[15:46] <TheSheep> check the .local/share/applications/ in you home directory
[15:46] <TheSheep> and .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/
[15:48] <Shinjin> How do I get to the local one?
[17:12] <nikin> hy
[17:13] <nikin> i was trying to modify my keyboard layout.. but if i remove the "use x settings" selection and close the window the selection goes back and the keyboard layout does not change
[17:21] <nazdalf> hello.....can sm1 help me with screen lock pls...it used to work alright initially....its stopped working all of a sudden....
[17:22] <nazdalf> i am using xubuntu 7.10 btw......and it has xscreensaver-gl installed
[19:47] <killfr0g> hey, trying to install xubuntu 7.10 64-bit on my quad core machine, i see the initial screen after booting off the cd, then i select install/run xubuntu, it loads up the kernel then i get a blank screen. it loads from the cd for a while and seems to be accessing my hdd drives then my pc goes dead. any ideas?
[19:53] <zoredache_> killfr0g: I would start with a check of the md5sums if you haven't already, I would also try the alternate-installer, also you could try booting with the noapic option
[19:55] <killfr0g> thanks i'll try them out


[05:18] <JZA> hi I want to know how can I have a testing branch on my launchpad user...
[05:20] <wgrant> JZA: Can you expain what you mean when you say a testing branch?
[05:20] <JZA> well I want to get a user to install the ppa from their client without much hickup I am trying to do is for my user first before applying the changes on the team account.
[05:21] <wgrant> PPAs and branches are very different. Can you explain exactly what you're trying to achieve?
[05:21] <JZA> the user can do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:dash.org/dash
[05:22] <JZA> but from my user, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jza/dash
[05:22] <JZA> first is the team account, and I want to have a personal version for that package.
[05:23] <JZA> do a 'personal' release, and once everything is working, export it to the team account.
[05:23] <wgrant> JZA: As the command suggests, ppa:dash.org/dash is a PPA, or Personal Package Archive. See https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA for how to use create a PPA and upload packages to it.
[05:24] <JZA> ok thanks
[06:07] <stub> Are there sane options for using a snap as a deb package build dependency? eg. doing a 'snap install' from the rules file?
[06:07] <stub> (PPA recipe builds)
[06:11] <wgrant> stub: No, that's not permitted.
[06:11] <wgrant> (and is also a horrifyingly bad idea)
[06:17] <stub> repeatable builds.... phooey.


[00:11] <CIA-34> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4294 ubiquity/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Remove lpia architecture support.
[00:16] <persia> Thanks!  Apologies for missing that.
[00:26] <cjwatson> that's ok
[02:00] <CIA-34> usb-creator: superm1 * r323 usb-creator/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[02:00] <CIA-34> usb-creator: Grow support for installing GRUB to USB sticks if it's detected in the image
[02:00] <CIA-34> usb-creator: rather than isolinux.
[06:40] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4293 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog src/panel/panel.c):
[06:40] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Set the panel indicators to show up on the right to match the rest
[06:40] <CIA-34> ubiquity: of the desktop (LP: #632592)
[06:42] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4295 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog src/panel/panel.c):
[06:42] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Set the panel indicators to show up on the right to match the rest
[06:42] <CIA-34> ubiquity: of the desktop (LP: #632592)
[06:43] <superm1> that's weird it didn't cia-submit the first time
[09:23] <NCommander> cjwatson: just a friendly reminder ping, new patches went to d-boot. Since all d-boot subscirbers just got ~2000 pieces of mail from BTS, wanted to make sure it didn't get lost :-)
[09:50] <CIA-34> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4296 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[09:50] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Handle grub-efi when installing on amd64/efi or i386/efi
[09:50] <CIA-34> ubiquity: subarchitectures (LP: #632642).
[10:30] <CIA-34> grub-installer: cjwatson * r867 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[10:30] <CIA-34> grub-installer: Purge grub-efi* when $grub_package is grub or grub-pc, and purge grub,
[10:30] <CIA-34> grub-installer: grub-legacy, and grub-pc when $grub_package is grub-efi (LP: #632642).
[10:31] <CIA-34> grub-installer: cjwatson * r868 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.55ubuntu3
[10:55] <cjwatson> NCommander: you have mail - I know that my Mail-Followup-To probably says otherwise, but if you could CC me I'll see it more quickly
[10:55] <CIA-34> ubiquity: evand * r4297 trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[10:55] <CIA-34> ubiquity: * Update the KDE partitioning UI to reflect changes to ubi-partman and
[10:55] <CIA-34> ubiquity:  partman-auto.
[10:55] <CIA-34> ubiquity:  - Use the already existent ubiquity variants of the d-i "Guided -" strings
[10:55] <CIA-34> ubiquity:  (LP: #628864).
[10:58] <NCommander> cjwatson: gah. whoops :-).
[10:58] <cjwatson> you weren't to know about my odd mail arrangements
[10:59] <NCommander> cjwatson: probably just as odd as mine. Thanks for the review. I tried using a weak symbol, but it doesn't like LD's versioning voodoo
[11:00] <NCommander> cjwatson: thanks for not biting off my head with the review for some of the newbie mistakes with d-i hacking :-)
[11:03] <cjwatson> np.  library versioning can be less than obvious anyway
[11:08] <NCommander> cjwatson: no kidding :-/
[14:04] <ev> I'd like to commit the following: <http://paste.ubuntu.com/490342/>.  Are there any objections?  I realize we're well past feature freeze, but I think this is immensely important to have, given how much of a better experience you get in the installer with an Internet connection.  Equally, aside from the few lines of code to construct the widget, it's all very well tested, having been ripped out of gnome-panel.
[14:10] <cjwatson> so this basically lets us run network-manager-applet?
[14:10] <ev> exactly
[14:11] <ogra> add it !!! add it !!!
[14:11] <ev> heh
[14:14] <cjwatson> wfm
[14:37] <ev> awesome
[14:38] <ev> sorry for the delay, was just in a meeting with Amanda and mpt on the text for the non-free software option, which mpt is kindly improving based on her and Andrew's input.
[15:02] <CIA-34> ubiquity: evand * r4298 trunk/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Add notification area support in the panel.
[15:11] <CIA-34> ubiquity: evand * r4299 trunk/src/panel/panel.c: Pack notification area on the correct side.
[15:13] <ScottK> Is SQUASHFS error: Unable to read data cache entry, a few repeats of similar lines and then Bus error (core dumped) in a live session concerning?  Should I file a bug and if so on what?
[15:14] <ev> ScottK: virtual machine? CD? USB disk?
[15:15] <ScottK> ev: CD on real hardware
[15:16] <ScottK> Worked on a different machine.
[15:16] <ev> sounds like a bad drive or CD.  I'd check the MD5SUM of the disk for a start.
[15:16] <ScottK> OK.
[15:17] <ScottK> This machine worke fine with the beta CD last week and the CD worked fine in another machine.  I'll try it again.
[15:19] <ev> oh and there's also md5sum -c /cdrom/md5sum.txt
[15:20] <superm1> cjwatson, re you patch to ubiquity for grub-efi, shouldn't you also have grub-efi-ia32 as a package that is kept for when this is added or used in 32 bit disks since that's what grub-efi depends on in 32 bit currently?
[15:20] <ev> if you want to verify that your burner wrote the correct data
[15:22] <ScottK> Just rebooted into a new live session and told it to check the CD.
[15:22] <ScottK> Not sure that's actually working though.
[15:22] <ScottK> Ah, there we are.
[15:36] <ScottK> Worked fine after reboot with the same CD, so I guess "stuff" happens.
[15:39] <cjwatson> superm1: not planning on supporting UEFI for 32-bit, so I don't care much :-)
[15:39] <cjwatson> superm1: significantly mitigates the risk of multi-catalog images, and AMD were very clear to us that UEFI was undefined on non-64-bit
[16:24] <CIA-34> ubiquity: evand * r4300 trunk/debian/changelog: Add LP reference.
[16:39] <ev> cjwatson: should silo-installer be in universe?
[16:39] <cjwatson> yep
[16:39] <cjwatson> sparc no longer being supported and all
[16:39] <ev> so then should we nuke it from ubiquity?
[16:39] <cjwatson> yeah, that and ia64, imo
[16:39] <cjwatson> s/supported/built/
[16:51] <ev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/490418/ - that look okay?
[16:52] <superm1> cjwatson, hum, is that bootloader and kernel  behavior are undefined, or you are saying 32 bit uefi executable behavior is undefined?  eg would it be possible to run a 64 bit uefi executable for grub and boot a 32 bit OS?
[16:53] <cjwatson> ev: looks fine
[16:53] <ev> thanks
[16:54] <CIA-34> ubiquity: evand * r4301 trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Drop ia64 and sparc.
[16:55] <cjwatson> superm1: I forget the exact wording but AMD basically just told us that 32-bit UEFI was thoroughly deprecated and we'd be best advised to steer clear of it (in response to me asking how to tell in advance whether a system had 32-bit or 64-bit firmware, and how that interoperated with 32-bit or 64-bit kernels)
[16:55] <cjwatson> superm1: on my test system a 32-bit OS works OK though (with grub-efi-amd64)
[16:55] <cjwatson> I have no idea about definedness
[16:56] <cjwatson> but AMD's message was very much that this was a you-get-to-keep-both-pieces kind of thing, as I understood it
[16:57] <superm1> cjwatson, okay i'll ping my internal contact about it to see if he understands a little bit better the expected results.  would you mind allowing grub-efi-amd64 to resolve as a dependency for grub-efi then too in the event that it has a possibility of working?
[16:57] <cjwatson> um
[16:57] <superm1> (on 32 bit that is)
[16:57] <cjwatson> I think I'd rather have a way to tell which firmware is installed
[16:57] <cjwatson> and have grub-installer install grub-efi-ia32 or grub-efi-amd64 as appropriate
[16:58] <cjwatson> unlike kernels, if you pick the wrong one it simply won't work
[16:58] <superm1> Oh i see.
[16:58] <cjwatson> if you try media with grub-efi-ia32 on it, a machine with 64-bit UEFI won't even show it as bootable
[17:01] <superm1> then is there actually hardware that does the 32 bit uefi?  if AMD is saying that's the undefined bit and MS even doesn't offer a 32-bit UEFI variant
[17:01] <cjwatson> yes, there is, notably some Mac versions
[17:02] <cjwatson> I don't know about non-Mac hardware; it's quite possible there is but I get the impression it's becoming rarer
[17:02] <cjwatson> but I think on 32-bit UEFI it might well be better to just do legacy
[17:02] <cjwatson> it would be worth finding out if you guys have any plans to ship 32-bit UEFI (and if so WHY ...)
[17:03] <superm1> well the problem is we're not moving to a 64 bit OS as shipping yet, so my hope was that we could drop 64 bit UEFI on top of 32-bit OS for now
[17:03] <cjwatson> it *should* work, I think, but I honestly don't know all the constraints
[17:04] <cjwatson> of course right now this test machine *only* boots 32-bit Linux on top of 64-bit UEFI :-/
[17:04] <cjwatson> I'm certainly inclined not to bother shipping 32-bit UEFI on CDs, ever
[17:07] <superm1> so then it sounds like it would make sense to make grub-efi depend on grub-efi-amd64 even on 32 bit, and only treat 32-bit uefi as a special case.  cody and team will be producing images with correct language packs in the pool and all for us again that are 32-bit, so then he could just have 64-bit binaries for uefi on there
[17:10] <cjwatson> I think it would make more sense to stop using grub-efi, ultimately; I just didn't want to do that for maverick
[17:10] <cjwatson> I mean, it is labelled as transitional
[17:11] <superm1> is it much more than a few lines change in grub-installer to handle that?
[17:12] <cjwatson> it seems to me that doing it properly involves, as I said, detecting which firmware is available
[17:12] <cjwatson> OEM could certainly change it trivially
[17:21] <superm1> if there isn't an intention to include 32 bit uefi on cds ever, is it that important to detect which firmware was on there?  grub-installer wouldn't be installing grub-efi-ia32 unless it was booted from a 32 bit uefi executable
[17:24] <cjwatson> it can't tell whether it was booted from a 32-bit or a 64-bit uefi executable
[17:24] <cjwatson> I think it can be detected from within /sys/firmware/efi/ somewhere anyway
[17:24] <cjwatson> I just haven't got round to figuring out the details yet
[17:26]  * cjwatson has a quick look
[17:28] <cjwatson> grr, can't easily check, need to replace this test initrd with a netboot one so that I can get hold of efivars
[17:28] <cjwatson> wait, it's supposed to be built-in, so where's /sys/firmware/efi?
[17:29] <cjwatson> hmm.  I think this has booted in legacy mode.
[17:30] <cjwatson> I'll have to look again later
[17:32] <CIA-34> ubiquity: evand * r4302 trunk/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): Run nm-applet in the ubiquity GTK session.
[17:33] <ev> http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/ubiquity-nm-applet.png
[17:48] <superm1> ooh. i might have to try to fix the interaction with xfwm4, that's pretty nice to have now.
[17:50] <ogra> so sweet !
[17:50] <ogra> i will sooo steal that panel for the arm netbook session in natty :)
[17:55] <ev> haha
[17:55] <ev> I should probably tidy it up in N then
[17:57] <ogra> make it its own package :)
[18:04] <ev> well yes, that too :)
[18:18] <hihihi100> can u gimme a hand regarding the installation of alsa-driver-1.0.23?
[18:19] <cjwatson> this channel is about initial installation of the operating system; for help with individual packages, please use #ubuntu
[18:20] <ev> right, heading home.  I have a patch to land for the prepare page text fixes, but they've uncovered a bug in wrap_fix (it doesn't like pango.SCALE_SMALL text) that I'm still trying to work through.
[18:30] <hihihi100> can u at lest give me some tips regarding the slow speed of my 10.04? it needs a minute to fully load
[18:30] <hihihi100> memory leak?
[18:30] <hihihi100> it needs another full minute to shut down
[18:36] <cjwatson> hihihi100: I'm sorry, this isn't the right channel for that either
[18:36] <cjwatson> please ask in #ubuntu
[18:37] <cjwatson> we simply don't do things related to that
[20:43] <superm1> ev i'm gonna get an upload together to get that new grub-installer fix in so we can see on tomorrow's disks if efi can get all the way through with it
[20:44] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4303 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[20:44] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[20:44] <CIA-34> ubiquity: 1.55ubuntu3.
[20:44] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4303 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[20:44] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[20:44] <superm1> cia seemed like it wasn't working^
[20:44] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4304 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.17
[21:22] <ev> superm1: ah, yikes.  Some of those things probably should've had a freeze exception.
[21:22] <ev> Not sure what we can do now though
[22:03] <ev> ugh, fail on my part for not remembering my own fixes
[22:03] <ev> any label with wrap set in ubiquity must also have yalign set to 0 in order for the wrap_fix to work
[22:07] <CIA-87> ubiquity: evand * r4305 trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[22:07] <CIA-87> ubiquity: Improve the text on the prepare page, based on input from Matthew
[22:07] <CIA-87> ubiquity: Paul Thomas, Amanda Brock, and Andrew Sinclair.
[22:14]  * cjwatson goes grr at an LWN commenter saying that the new partitioner probably wasn't our work and should be credited to RH
[22:14] <cjwatson> and manages to post a reasonably polite reply
[22:14] <cjwatson> (http://lwn.net/Articles/403837/)
[22:16] <ScottK> Reminds me I need to see about getting my subscription renewed.
[22:21] <ev> ugh
[22:22] <ev> oh my god, rounded corners, it must be Mac.
[22:23] <ev> seriously, no one said *anything* when we had the GtkVPane based rectangle layout back in the day
[22:23] <ev> *sigh*
[22:24] <ScottK> Would one of you mind giving me the "see this article for free link"?
[22:25] <ev> surely
[22:26] <ev> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/403837/0b3d34a37b65f118/
[22:26] <ScottK> THanks
[22:44] <superm1> ev, doh.... well looking through the ones that would most likely be in need of exception would have been the panel moving icons to the side and the nm-applet added to it.  sorry i should have paid closer attention.
[22:45] <superm1> if someone yells about anything i'll prepare diffs to revert those specific things until appropriate exceptions are added
[22:45] <ev> no worries, I'll just incorporate it in the freeze exception for the prepare page stuff
[22:46] <superm1> i wasn't sure you were doing more fixes today for the prepare page stuff, and wanted to make sure the new grub stuff could make tomorrow's disks
[22:47] <ev> indeed, I understand completely


[02:00] <defendguin> hi i just built a kernel module to test out some changes to a driver but when i modprobe the drive it still appears to be using the old one
[02:14] <bdmurray> I think modprobe looks in /lib/modules you'll want insmod
[02:15] <defendguin> i think i got it
[02:16] <defendguin> i just copied the new .ko file over the other one
[02:25] <IntuitiveNipple> usually, you do "sudo make install; sudo depmod -a; sudo modprobe <module>" assuming you unloaded the original module beforehand with "sudo modprobe -r <module>"
[04:36] <lifeless> bdmurray: you finished for the day yet ?
[04:38] <lifeless> kylem: ping
[05:40] <bdmurray> lifeless: mostly what is up?
[06:45] <lifeless> bdmurray: really a kernel team thing, I was going to draw attention to what appears to be a simple config flag fix
[06:45] <lifeless> which is gaining me toos
[06:46] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/118303
[06:46] <lifeless> and as no kernel heads were around I was pinging you as a convenient proxy :)
[06:48] <bdmurray> I'll make sure it is looked at if you triage 5 other bugs. ;)
[07:05] <lifeless> bdmurray: I'll do that first thing monday
[07:05] <lifeless> bdmurray: thanks :)
[02:49] <kraut> moin


[00:31] <vorlon> doko: where's the freeze exception paperwork for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icu/66.1~rc-1~ubuntu1 ? (cc: xnox)
[00:32] <vorlon> doko: also cf the discussion on ubuntu-devel about the reasons why icu 66 is risky
[00:52] <vorlon> Laney: fwiw the current mod_evasive config appears to specifically conflict with the sample recommended usage of retry-autopkgtest-regressions, which tries to push 10 requests at a time in parallel
[00:54] <vorlon> rbalint: are you tracking the autopkgtest failures on kodi?
[03:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1004.4] (core, kernel)
[05:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-getting-started-docs [amd64] (focal-proposed) [3.35.92-0ubuntu1]
[05:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1004.4]
[05:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-1014.15~18.04.1]
[05:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-1014.15~18.04.1]
[05:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke-5.0 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-1032.33]
[05:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-1011.12~18.04.1]
[07:56] <Laney> vorlon: I was chuntering on in some channel at the time, yeah, but I guess I overlooked highlighting you, sorry
[07:58] <Laney> tweaking it sounds like a Top Idea
[08:44] <vorlon> Laney: done, raised the parallel limit to 10
[08:44] <Laney> cheers
[08:46] <Laney> I suppose I could delete the entries blacklisting those web crawlers now, since they should fetch robots.txt now
[08:52] <Laney> it didn't exist at the time, and I wanted to cut them off immediately, but now it's there
[08:55] <Laney> (done)
[09:21] <rbalint> vorlon, yes, i'm on it
[09:23] <rbalint> vorlon, just file the update-excuse bug
[09:23] <vorlon> rbalint: ta
[09:26] <rbalint> vorlon, just filed
[10:55] <cpaelzer> doko: runc/containerd are showing up in component mismatches now and have approved MIRs
[10:55] <cpaelzer> doko: do you have the time on the sprint to promote them to main?
[10:56] <cpaelzer> actually since any of you could do that apw seb128 didrocks ^^
[10:56] <mwhudson> cpaelzer: you can ping "ubuntu-archive" now!
[10:58] <cpaelzer> oh really
[10:58] <cpaelzer> It is not a user/bot
[10:58] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: is it just an AA agreement that they highlight on this word?
[10:59] <cpaelzer> I see the channel topci was changed by cjwatson adding theinfo to highlight it
[11:01] <vorlon> cpaelzer, doko: I can take this
[11:13] <mwhudson> cpaelzer: yes, as of like yesterday or something
[11:13] <cpaelzer> thanks vorlon
[11:13] <cpaelzer> I hope I can beat my muscle-memory of highlighting the people indivicually
[12:17] <vorlon> Laney, juliank: anyone analyzed why the amd64 autopkgtest queue is growing much more than the other archs?
[12:17] <vorlon> (and i386 to a lesser degree)
[12:22] <Laney> vorlon: lcy01 being down some compute capacity so we are at 75% of normal available workers
[12:22] <vorlon> aha
[12:22] <Laney> but I don't know if that would explain it fully
[12:22] <vorlon> it's an explanation I accept for the moment :-)
[12:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libvirt (eoan-proposed/main) [5.4.0-0ubuntu5 => 5.4.0-0ubuntu5.1] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[12:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libvirt (bionic-proposed/main) [4.0.0-1ubuntu8.14 => 4.0.0-1ubuntu8.15] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[13:08] <rbasak> FFe request in bug 1865518 please, just because it's a little late. I hope that the lack of being more than a few days late means that the bar is still low.
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> rafaeldtinoco, kanashiro should ruby autopkgtests run with --all proposed stuff?
[14:42] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: ^ i think so
[14:42] <rafaeldtinoco> all my builds, before uploading, were done locally with -proposed up to date
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg> yes but I mean autopkgtests
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, your opinion=
[14:44] <kanashiro> LocutusOfBorg, yeah, we have many regressions because some packages need some deps from proposed
[14:44] <rafaeldtinoco> LocutusOfBorg: yep, me too
[14:44] <rafaeldtinoco> there are deps satisfied during autopkgtest run only
[14:44] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm retrying only s390x and ppc64el, since queues are empty
[14:44] <kanashiro> I've been building a list of packages that need to be triggered together to make them pass
[14:45] <kanashiro> but if it is possible to enable deps from proposed (without specifying which deps are needed) it'd be helpful
[15:11] <doko> vorlon: nodejs ftbfs with the new acorn. what would the next version for 6.2.1+ds+~0.4.0+~4.0.0+really4.0.0+~1.0.0+~5.0.1+ds+~1.7.0+ds+~0.1.1+~0.3.1+~0.2.0+~0.1.0+~0.3.0+~0.3.0-14 really being 5.3 ...?
[15:11] <juliank> doko: wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[15:19] <doko> I mean, the acorn version ...
[15:52] <xnox> ahahhahahhahhahahhahhahaa
[15:53] <xnox> doko:  thank you for helping me clear my lungs with this coughing fit i just had over this version number
[15:53] <Laney> :D
[15:53] <Laney> that's actually real, amazing
[15:57] <mdeslaur> WAAAAAAA
[15:59] <oSoMoN> doko, I successfully built nodejs 12.16.1 against that version of acorn yesterday (in https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/nodejs-mozilla/+packages)
[15:59] <oSoMoN> and that version is being prepared in Debian
[16:11] <mwhudson> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/acorn/acorn_6.2.1+ds+~0.4.0+~4.0.0+really4.0.0+~1.0.0+~5.0.1+ds+~1.7.0+ds+~0.1.1+~0.3.1+~0.2.0+~0.1.0+~0.3.0+~0.3.0-14_changelog
[16:11] <mwhudson> i have questions
[16:11] <doko> oSoMoN: is it planned to update focal to it?
[16:12] <doko> there's also a 10.19.0 upstream
[16:12] <oSoMoN> doko, I would like to, if it doesn't break too many rdeps
[16:13] <oSoMoN> both versions are LTS releases of nodejs, but the 12 series will be supported longer
[16:13] <doko> well, if you drive that ...
[16:14] <oSoMoN> doko, for context I'm looking at that because nodejs is a build dep of firefox, and they recently bumped the version requirement to something > than what we currently have in the archive
[16:14] <oSoMoN> (they==mozilla)
[16:24] <xnox> mwhudson:  i'm going to open an RC bug report
[16:26] <xnox> doko:  the next version apperantly is different "A new upstream version 7.1.1+~0.4.0+~4.0.0+~1.0.0+~5.2.0+~2.0.0+~0.1.1+~0.3.1+~0.2.0+~0.1.0+~0.3.0+~0.3.0 is available, you should consider packaging it."
[16:27] <mwhudson> xnox: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=940708
[16:28] <xnox> oh
[16:28] <xnox> ok
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[20:39] <vorlon> rafaeldtinoco, kanashiro: fyi I did rerun all ruby-defaults autopkgtests with all-proposed=1 yesterday, so the remaining failures appear to need further uploads to fix them
[20:40] <vorlon> doko: acorn> ugh
[20:40] <rafaeldtinoco> vorlon: thanks a lot!
[20:42] <kanashiro> vorlon, many of them will be fixed when we rerun with the autodep8 now in proposed, and for some packages autopkgtest pulled the version from the release pocket and not from proposed
[20:43] <kanashiro> I am handling those with bryce's help
[20:43] <vorlon> ah
[21:04] <bryce> kanashiro, vorlon I've retriggered them just now
[21:04] <kanashiro> thanks bryce
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