[02:43] <ChinnoDog> sup peeps
[02:43] <ChinnoDog> hi ssweeny
[03:38] <HowdyDoody> hi ChinnoDog
[03:39] <HowdyDoody> Hi ChinnoDog
[03:41] <HowdyDoody> First is was invisible chars, then they both went red.   InHisName only sees black ones.
[03:42] <HowdyDoody> ChinnoDog: know much about fixing installers ?   See pastebin above.
[03:48] <InHisName> After 13.5 hours of classroom lectures, are you all too tired to type ?
[04:07] <ChinnoDog> HowdyDoody: what is wrong with your file system? Either your apt cache is corrupted (just delete it) or you are out of space or some other resource.
[04:15] <InHisName> Just delete it ?   what path to ref for delete ?
[04:16] <ChinnoDog> uh
[04:16] <ChinnoDog> I think you can wipe out /var/cache/apt
[04:18] <InHisName> How is it reconstructed ?   with simple commands like   sudo apt-get -f  install ?
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> I think apt automatically rebuilds it when it downloads stuff
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> If you aren't sure then just rename it or move it
[04:19] <InHisName> ok
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> It will definitely redownload packages the next time you try to install something and hopefully fix your corrupted package error
[04:30] <HowdyDoody> update software:  --->The package system is broken               Check if you are using third party  repositories. If so disable them, since they are a common source of problems.                Furthermore run the following command in a Terminal: apt-get install -f
[04:31] <ChinnoDog> I'm not sure how much of that directory you can empty. Try creating the directory but leave it empty
[04:31] <HowdyDoody> details:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:                        thunderbird-globalmenu: Depends: thunderbird (= 8.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) but 7.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is installed                         thunderbird-gnome-support: Depends: thunderbird (= 8.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) but 7.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is installed update-manager: Depends: python (< 2.8) but 2.7.2-7ubuntu2 is installed
[04:32] <ChinnoDog> oh. So is it working or not?
[04:32] <HowdyDoody> I mv'd the /var/cache/apt dir and created another apt dir
[04:32] <HowdyDoody> no, got dependendecnys
[04:34] <HowdyDoody> how to fix 'unmet' dependencies ?
[04:38] <HowdyDoody> I am trying sudo apt-get -f  install        big d/l of thunderbird
[04:38] <ChinnoDog> ok, then lets do this differently
[04:38] <HowdyDoody> maybe it'll get better
[04:38] <ChinnoDog> Put back the old apt directory, but delete the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:39] <HowdyDoody> no errors with that fix
[04:39] <ChinnoDog> Technically anything in /var/cache should be able to be deleted. I guess that isn't really true this time.
[04:40] <ChinnoDog> Why do I never have an ubuntu install CD when I need one
[04:40] <ChinnoDog> ?
[04:40] <HowdyDoody> in apt was dir archives and pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin   all were recreated.
[04:41] <HowdyDoody> Shall I do anything else before trying out update mgr again ?
[04:42] <ChinnoDog> I am confused. What are the steps you have taken to reach the current state of /var/cache/apt?
[04:42] <HowdyDoody> I am trying sudo apt-get -f  install
[04:43] <ChinnoDog> I know that
[04:43] <ChinnoDog> How have you molested your file system since I started trying to help?
[04:43] <HowdyDoody> after trying updt mgr and it failed with dependencies error.,
[04:44] <HowdyDoody> 1. mv apt  bapt
[04:44] <HowdyDoody> 2.mkdir apt   -- check permissions, good.
[04:44] <HowdyDoody> 3. update mgr --> failed depndcys
[04:45] <HowdyDoody> 4. sudo apt-get -f install
[04:45] <ChinnoDog> Why is it necessary to -f?
[04:46] <HowdyDoody> dunno,  so many say that when anything wrong
[04:46] <ChinnoDog> Forcing things when you don't know what is wrong is generally a bad idea.
[04:47] <ChinnoDog> You need to make your apt database consistent
[04:47] <HowdyDoody> yep,   is there way to check the consistancy ?
[04:47] <ChinnoDog> I want to see the error message you get when you dont' use -f
[04:48] <HowdyDoody> run same without -f
[04:48] <HowdyDoody> here goes
[04:49] <HowdyDoody> libstdc++5 no longer needed.       use apt-get autoremove      0 up, 0 new  0 to remov  3 not upgraded
[04:50] <HowdyDoody> no errors that I see
[04:50] <ChinnoDog> ok. Now just apt-get install your package and let it download dependencies
[04:51] <HowdyDoody> what pkg ?   one of the 3 not upgraded ?
[04:52] <ChinnoDog> I thought you were trying to install a specific package. What is the goal here?
[04:53] <HowdyDoody> fix installer(s) to have no errors NOR crash.    Then to update all until no more updates needed.
[04:53] <ChinnoDog> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:53] <HowdyDoody> 'k
[04:54] <ChinnoDog> if your package list is old you will have to sudo apt-get update first
[04:54] <HowdyDoody> about 15 minutes old
[04:55] <ChinnoDog> then just upgrade
[04:55] <HowdyDoody> Just finished.
[04:55] <HowdyDoody> no visible errors
[04:56] <ChinnoDog> k. You can sudo apt-get autoremove to get rid of any leftover packages
[04:56] <ChinnoDog> (since it did suggest that...)
[04:56] <HowdyDoody> 'k
[04:57] <HowdyDoody> freed up 1.0 mb
[04:58] <HowdyDoody> I might be done now with the installer(s) ?
[04:58] <ChinnoDog> I think so
[04:59] <HowdyDoody> Now I can see if firefox still has issues.   It locks computer or crashes out soon after starting.
[05:00] <HowdyDoody> hasn't crashed yet.
[05:00] <HowdyDoody> 10 min and I'll know for sure
[05:02] <HowdyDoody> time to brush teeth and other things
[05:09] <HowdyDoody> 10 minutes and no crashing yet.
[05:16] <HowdyDoody> Seems to be all working much better now.
[05:17] <ChinnoDog> good
[11:34] <rmg51> Morning
[12:05] <JonathanD> Morning.
[15:31]  * waltman *YAWNS*
[15:35]  * rmg51 continues to read the morning paper
[15:46]  * waltman tries to figure out why the awstats cronjob suddenly decided to start reporting errors
[15:49] <waltman> aha! permissions on /etc/apache2/access.log changed from 644 to 640
[15:49] <waltman> er, /var/log/apache2/access.log
[15:54]  * rmg51 still continues to read the morning paper and listen to Pandora
[15:55] <waltman> ok, let's see if this fixes it...
[16:00] <waltman> backups++
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> I can not get a bootloader to to boot my ExpressCard SSD on my laptop :-(
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> grub does not see it
[19:02] <ChinnoDog> now does the EasyBCD BIOS extender image
[19:03] <ChinnoDog> s/now/nor
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> I think this is impossible
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> I might throw some money at this problem
[19:58] <rmg51> ChinnoDog: if you want, you can also throw some money my way ;-)
[20:02] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: do you mean grub from grub cli (prompt) can't see it?
[20:02] <jedijf> and is this grub or grub2
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> grub4dos, which was installed by EasyBCD in windows
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> and no, it can not
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> root (hd1,1) says invalid drive
[20:11] <ChinnoDog> I can solve this at the cost of $9 + 1 USB port. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0352697
[20:13] <jedijf> rescure cd image to kickboot the ssd
[20:13] <jedijf> rescue ??
[20:15] <ChinnoDog> hmm. I have to think about that for a minute
[20:21] <ChinnoDog> I want to do this without creating new problems. haha
[20:23] <jedijf> oh, so whole hidden os on stick...usb boot works...hidden chinno done
[20:24] <ChinnoDog> I'm not sure how hidden it needs to be
[20:24] <ChinnoDog> I don't want to be constrained by the TrueCrypt policy of hidden volumes not having access to regular ones. I think I might use dm_crypt and be happy with that
[20:24] <ChinnoDog> Separation of personal files from work files should be enough
[20:27] <ChinnoDog> If I am going to throw money at it anyway I want to keep this simple. hmm
[20:28] <jedijf> ten bucks doesn't count as 'money'
[20:29] <jedijf> more like cost of doing business
[20:32] <rmg51> jedijf: spends more then that crossing bridges
[20:58] <ChinnoDog> Well, option 1: use USB flash as boot media, but then bootstrap Expresscard SSD that is invisible to BIOS
[20:59] <ChinnoDog> option 2: Buy a USB flash big enough to install Ubuntu on it and use ExpressCard SSD as /home
[21:09] <rmg51> does it have to be an ssd? why not just a thumb drive?
[21:10] <ChinnoDog> Because 1. I already own it 2. It doesn't stick out of the laptop
[21:12] <rmg51> 3. it is the hardest way to do it :-D
[21:12] <ChinnoDog> I know :-(
[21:17] <ChinnoDog> There might be another way
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> maybe better? I could get the little USB flash and install XenClient to it
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> My laptop has been on the HCL from the beginning
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> I would be able to boot natively without USB flash, boot in XenClient with it
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> and Ubuntu could happily exist entirely on the SSD
[21:20] <ChinnoDog> I take it back. Too many caveats with that. Ubuntu support in Xenclient not that great; I won't even be able to run 11.10.
[21:21] <rmg51> just keep over thinking it :P
[21:23] <ChinnoDog> :-p
[21:29] <ChinnoDog> If it was more than 4gb I would consider just installing Ubuntu on it but it isn't big enough
[21:29] <InHisName> Does that flash drive have anything to do with my S-100 buss computers from long ago ?
[21:30] <InHisName> maybe dsl or puppy?
[21:32] <ChinnoDog> I only want to install Xubuntu. Idk the answer to the other question. Maybe not, but I don't see any devices with similar names made by Emtec. Maybe it was a marketing person being clever.
[21:33] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i run ubus on 4gig disks
[21:35] <ChinnoDog> I've installed it on 2 but it was really tight
[21:36] <ChinnoDog> 4gb isn't enough for a full fledged workhorse type install
[21:44] <ChinnoDog> omg. lol
[21:44] <ChinnoDog> I have a second option
[21:44] <ChinnoDog> I feel so stupid now
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> Awhile back I bought a cd-rom bay hard disk adapter
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> but it didn't seem to work
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> I just tried it again. I think I didn't know how to make it work before
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> I could just use the other hard disk.
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0282745
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> WINNER
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> The hard disk in the tray now came from work
[21:51] <ChinnoDog> oh. it is out of stock
[21:51] <jedijf> out of stock in philly
[21:51] <jedijf> just sayin
[21:51] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[21:52] <jedijf> but still good options...so 3 hd's in lappy...2 mechanical and one ssd?
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> That is correct
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> I hardly ever use the CD drive anyway
[21:53] <ChinnoDog> I'll go see what is in the OEM bins
[21:54] <jedijf> philly is asking for people to go light on hd's because of floods in thailand -
[21:54] <jedijf> no more than 2 please
[21:55] <ChinnoDog> what? lol
[21:56] <jedijf> noticed when i picked up my mac mini tb server
[21:58] <ChinnoDog> mc closes at 6. I guess I better get dressed and go.
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Ther eis a 320gb hard disk in my personal laptop I am not even using
[22:04] <ChinnoDog> Too many parts around here
[22:05] <JonathanD> 249
[22:07] <ChinnoDog> 320gb sata hdd installed. Awesome
[22:07] <JonathanD> I just found a laptop drive in my backpack.
[22:07] <JonathanD> I lost it months ago.
[22:13] <ChinnoDog> I have lots of space for Ubuntu and I can partition the SSD so that both Windows and Ubuntu can use it for accelerating disk operations.


[03:56] <daftykins> don't suppose you can +q that guy =|
[03:57] <daftykins> w23rdst
[08:02] <bbryant> I'm not trying to be confrontative, I just can't find anything in the rules that applies here
[08:02] <bbryant> I'd like to be well read so I can behave appropriately
[08:02] <bbryant> but from reading what I have, none of it would have stopped me saying what i did
[08:02] <ikonia> bbryant: "language and subject"
[08:02] <ikonia> in the guidelines
[08:03] <bbryant> oh right
[08:03] <bbryant> I missed the relevant part when I skimmed it
[08:03] <bbryant> oops
[08:03] <ikonia> perhaps not skimming
[08:03] <ikonia> if you want to be "well read"
[08:03] <bbryant> meh
[08:03] <bbryant> have a good one
[13:21] <phunyguy> Pricey: Thanks for that response.  :) - When I sent that email, I of course didn't know it was more of a widespread issue, because I couldn't get into the channels to see.  It was all I had!  =D
[13:32] <Pricey> phunyguy: Aha it's you!
[13:32] <Pricey> phunyguy: I also forget which issue it was now, I've just cleraed a bunch of backlog.
[14:37] <phunyguy> Pricey: accidental kline.
[14:38] <phunyguy> also, lately my linode seems to hate staying connected to Freenode.  So I thought maybe that was the reason... but I guess not.  I have no idea what is going on with this connection.
[15:18] <HFSPLUS-> nooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[17:56] <MadDoxX> hello
[17:57] <MadDoxX> no one here?
[17:58] <popey> hello
[18:01] <IdleOne> MadDoxX: How can we be of service?
[18:01] <MadDoxX> hello
[18:01] <MadDoxX> i need some help in python ><
[18:01] <IdleOne> this is not a support channel
[18:01] <IdleOne> try #python
[18:01] <MadDoxX> #python
[18:02] <MadDoxX> huh?
[18:02] <IdleOne> /join #python
[18:02] <MadDoxX> ty i will ask there
[18:03] <IdleOne> welcome. please make sure to /part this channel
[18:03] <MadDoxX> it says unregiester
[18:03] <MadDoxX> ><
[18:04] <IdleOne> !register
[18:06] <MadDoxX> !register
[20:40] <Ben64> pretty sure that texastech guy is botting now at least
[20:40] <k1l_> yeah i muted him since he shows no reaction.
[20:41] <Ben64> keeps saying the same thing every 10 mins xx:x8:28
[20:41] <Ben64> k cool


[12:50] <ochosi> mr_pouit: if gparted suddenly appears in the settings-manager because of wrong categories in the desktop-file, we file a bug in gparted, right?
[12:55] <bluesabre> makes sense to me
[15:09] <mr_pouit> yeah


[01:16] <[reed]> asac / jcastro: how do I get in touch with the canonical.com webmaster?
[01:20] <jcastro> [reed]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:20] <[reed]> thanks
[01:39] <fta> jcastro, still no schedule? I need to plan a meeting with a chromium dev on monday
[03:10] <[reed]> fta: schedule's out
[03:10] <[reed]> but I can't find anything Mozilla/Firefox on it
[03:11] <[reed]> asac: what sessions are yours?
[10:14] <asac> [reed]: i want to do something different this time. more like a mini sprint. i was assured that there are other rooms where we can work ... we just have to announce it somehow so others interested can join. but i think we can figure
[10:14] <[reed]> ah, ok
[10:18] <asac> where is the schedule?
[10:19] <[reed]> summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/
[11:03] <ghj> 8-)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> bug 302567
[12:12] <asac> gnomefreak: dupe of the "random stuff selected on right click bug"
[12:12] <asac> gnomefreak: bug 187313
[12:13] <gnomefreak> on damn thers a master?
[12:13] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats it ;)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks its fixed :)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ok caught up on emails now coffee and smoke
[12:52] <gnomefreak> oh asac the errors i was getting from tb-3 IIRC they were something like command did not succeed  were due to IMAP. Is there something we can do with IMAP to make it less painful to use for everyone?
[12:54] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. identify the issues ;)
[12:54] <asac> thats the right start ;)
[12:54] <asac> gnomefreak: for instance: snoop the imap network traffic
[12:55] <gnomefreak> asac: there are too many. there should still be a shit load in tb bugs
[12:55]  * gnomefreak would like to find out if it is just tbird or if other mail apps have same issue
[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: most likely other mail apps have issues too ... but they usually fail on different mail setups
[12:56] <asac> (e.g. where tbird) succeeds
[12:56] <gnomefreak> of course why would it be that simple
[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: then instead of identfying we could try to tag the imap related bugs
[12:56] <asac> so we can take a look if we can find something about them
[12:57] <asac> how many IMAP bugs exist?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> that sounds good to me. I will hit bugs in a bit. I never counted
[12:57] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird?field.searchtext=imap&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_packag
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i think that link trailed off
[12:57] <asac> it ends with ..._no_package?
[12:57] <asac> =
[12:57] <asac> ;)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> no_packag
[12:58] <asac> just make it a no_package=
[12:58] <asac> then you have all
[12:58] <asac> ur simply search in thunderbird package for "imap" ;)
[12:59] <asac> fta: why do we have official logo in shredder?
[13:00] <fta> do we?
[13:00] <asac> fta: i see that we copy it manually to the menu place. but there is no configure -branding switch ... does it mean that upstream builds official by default?
[13:01] <asac> fta: well ... menu ... window icon are offical
[13:01] <asac> fta: oh. about shredder is not
[13:01] <fta> i don't remember, i haven't touched it in a while
[13:01] <asac> fta: we should fix that then i think
[13:01] <asac> maybe the manual copy just needs to be dropped
[13:02] <fta> if it's there, there's a reason
[13:02] <asac> yeah. most likely there is none shipped or something like that
[13:05] <fta> my primary concern with tb is to make it speak smtp like mutt, so i can use it for work.
[13:05] <fta> same for evolution
[13:07] <asac> james_w: i think we need a --export-upstream-postcmd=... ;)
[13:07] <asac> james_w: that would allow us to run autotools stuff ... or make dist
[13:07] <asac> though make dist might be a bit tricky
[13:08] <asac> just came to my mind thats because of the cdbs + autoreconf stuff from mailing list
[13:08] <asac> would be better if we could get autoolized tarballs from bzr ... and most upstream rightfully dont commit autotools stuff
[13:09] <asac> fta: smtp? that works
[13:09] <asac> fta: i guess you mean sendmail ;)
[13:09] <asac> and maildir
[13:09] <asac> maildir was supported in the past ... but agreed, that was a bit broken
[13:09] <asac> oh ... movemail its named
[13:09] <asac> and its probably mailbox
[13:10] <asac> still supported in 3.0
[13:10] <fta> no, SMTP. i need it to use RET=HDRS in the "MAIL From:" line, then send the full headers
[13:13] <asac> RFC 2789
[13:13] <asac> hmm ... no bot support ;)
[13:14] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/80836/
[13:28] <fta> asac, i don't see why evo/tb should not be able/allowed to do what mutt can already do
[13:31] <asac> fta: i didnt question that ;) ... the RFC was unrelated
[13:31] <asac> fta: what does RET=HDRS mean?
[13:35] <fta> it's a DSN option
[13:36] <fta> in fact, it's not really RET=HDRS that i need but i want tb/evo to use the proper MAIL From
[13:36] <asac> fta: so you wantt o pass some other option?
[13:36] <fta> yeah, now that i remember it, RET=HDRS is just to sent headers on bounces, instead of the full email
[13:37] <asac> ah
[13:37] <fta> i want MAIL From to match my local user at the (E)SMTP level, even if inside the email, the From is another address.
[13:37] <fta> like mutt
[13:38] <asac> oh ok.
[13:38] <asac> i understand (i think)
[13:38] <asac> ;)
[13:39]  * asac looks at evo data server
[13:39] <asac> folks want tbird to talk to that for addrbook and calendar as it seems
[13:41] <fta> it should be as simple as adding a checkbox in the prefs
[13:42] <fta> it should work both for "sendmail" and "SMTP"
[13:46] <fta> ideally, it should be set per-email
[13:54] <gnomefreak> do we have a pop tag?
[15:28] <Jazzva> asac, you there?
[15:33] <asac> Jazzva: yes for a few minutes ;)
[15:35] <Jazzva> asac, ok. Either I'm doing something wrong, or it doesn't work well, but blip.fm never works with nspluginwrapper. I think it uses a lot of small flash elements for playing tracks
[15:35] <Jazzva> When I open a page with single track, it's usually ok, but when I open a page with lots of tracks, then it fails.
[15:35] <Jazzva> I would like if you could help me later with this...
[15:38] <asac> hmm ... ffox crashed when visiting that site here
[15:38] <Jazzva> without nspluginwrapper?
[15:39] <Jazzva> it doesn't crash here... it's just not playing any tracks
[15:39] <asac> with nspluginwrapper intrpid
[15:39] <asac> i am not sure how that site works
[15:39] <Jazzva> and lots of nspluginwrapper errors
[15:39] <asac> here it doesnt do anything at all
[15:39] <asac> most likely because i dont have an account
[15:39] <Jazzva> It should let you play the tracks, even without the account
[15:39] <asac> how?
[15:40] <Jazzva> you should just click on orange label "play" in the box, or somewhere in the box
[15:40] <Jazzva> asac, please test with this http://blip.fm/profile/judesla/blip/1714497
[15:40] <asac> ok a track is playing i think
[15:41] <Jazzva> playing? you hear it?
[15:41] <asac> yes
[15:41] <asac> :=
[15:41] <asac> its on the bottom
[15:41] <asac> a grey area
[15:41] <asac> and i have sound
[15:41] <Jazzva> on the main page?
[15:42] <asac> no ... i opened the page you gave me
[15:42] <asac> it automatically started
[15:42] <Jazzva> Yeah.. that one is playing...
[15:42] <Jazzva> for me too
[15:42] <asac> so what doesnt work?
[15:42] <Jazzva> playing on the main page :)
[15:42] <asac> i dont see any other features iwthout logging in i think
[15:43] <Jazzva> ahh, i thought there is a timeline for everyone
[15:43] <asac> so is there a song supposed to be on the start page
[15:44] <Jazzva> there are many songs
[15:44] <asac> i can push on "see it in action" ;)
[15:44] <asac> http://blip.fm/all?p=1
[15:44] <asac> opening that now
[15:44] <asac> and somthing is playing
[15:45] <Jazzva> it is? ok... I'll test with 1.1.0 and then see if I messed somewhere in the process of upgrade
[15:45] <asac> Jazzva:  ... now i can play on http://blip.fm/home
[15:45] <asac> thats current nspluginwrapper though
[15:46] <Jazzva> yeah, i'll downgrade with that one to test
[15:46] <Jazzva> thanks for the help. I'll see if I can work this out, and get back to you if I can't...
[16:02] <gnomefreak> asac: you want bug 303098 its offline mode with tbird instead of ff
[16:03] <gnomefreak> done im going to work now i cleaned up all bugs unless more have showed up
[16:06] <gnomefreak> asac: if i dont get done with work today more than likely i will be working sat and sunday. but lets see where im at tonight
[16:06] <gnomefreak> im gone now
[16:17] <fta> [reed], do you know where mfinkle is based? i'd like to meet him next week (prism/xul-explorer/fennec, and more generally xul-apps)
[16:39] <stevel> fta: he's east coast... penn
[16:45] <fta> stevel, [reed], nm, i just talked with him, we'll meet at open house on wed
[17:07] <fta> asac, again http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20226287/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-hppa.epiphany-browser_2.24.1-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:21] <fta> nsGenericElement.cpp: In function 'PRBool operator!=(const nsReadingIterator<CharT>&, const nsReadingIterator<CharT>&)':
[17:21] <fta> nsGenericElement.cpp:775797: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[17:21] <fta> Please submit a full bug report,
[17:21] <fta> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
[17:21] <fta> See <file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs> for instructions.
[17:21] <fta> asac, armin76: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20235151/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b2%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:44] <asac> jcastro: how can it be that folks cannot even take a look at summit.ubuntu.com if they dont have a launchpad account
[17:44] <asac> thats stupid ;)
[17:45] <asac> fta: crash reproducible locally?
[17:45] <fta> sparc
[17:45] <asac> fta: file a bug against gcc-4.3
[17:45] <asac> in ubuntu
[17:45] <asac> let doko take a look. he usually doesnt get any bug ;)
[17:45] <fta> i pasted to doko
[17:45] <asac> k
[17:49] <fta> damn, i can't change my seat with ff.
[17:50] <asac> i cant change my seat at all because i have a damn code sharing thing and no site feels responsible :/
[17:50] <asac> i called the operators and lufthansa said that i might not even be able to get a ticket from them
[17:50] <asac> but that must be utterly none-sense
[17:50] <asac> if thats the case then i probably wont make it
[17:50] <asac> ;)
[17:51] <fta> can't you enter your reservation # in their website?
[17:51] <asac> no
[17:52] <asac> it worked but then it aborted saying that a bad error hapepned
[17:52] <fta> lol
[17:52] <asac> now i am checked-in, but without seat
[17:52] <asac> ;)
[17:52] <asac> and the flight operators cannot change that as well :)
[17:53] <asac> hopefully i will end up in first class ;)
[17:53] <asac> but as i know me it will be in the middle-of-the-middle
[17:53] <asac> perfect place to reconsider life
[17:53] <fta> gasp
[17:54] <asac> middle-seat-in-the-middle-in-the-back
[17:54] <fta> damn, even epi fails miserably. i don't have non-gecko based browsers
[17:54] <asac> fta: apt-get install konqueror ;)
[17:54] <asac> or epihany-webkit
[17:55] <asac> bbut i think that doesnt work for most use-cases ;)
[17:55] <asac> fta: try with chrome testshell ;)
[17:56] <asac> fta: some sites are difficult to udnerstand
[17:56] <asac> for instance i had to select myself with double click
[17:56] <asac> on BA website
[17:56] <asac> before i could move me by clicking a different seat
[17:57] <fta> i can see the seats, select one, but when i click save, i'm back to my tickets with another seat
[18:19] <[reed]> fta: mfinkle is based in Pennsylvania, but he's going to be in MV for Add-on-con :)
[18:21] <fta> [reed], <mfinkle> come early to the open house and we can talk in a conference room or something
[18:23] <fta> rahhhh "The information entered did not allow us to find your file. Please re-enter the required information."
[18:23] <fta> i can't checkin
[18:31] <asac> fta: oh. then i am not alone ;)?
[18:32] <fta> i change my seat for the 2nd part of the return flight, but i can't change it for tomorrow. I can't check-in either.
[18:32] <fta> changeD
[18:33] <asac> fta: whats DL for a code? ... i assume its code sharing with air france ... but.
[18:33] <fta> Delta Airline
[18:33] <asac> ah
[18:33] <fta> it's an Air France plane though
[18:34] <asac> fta: most likely because of that ;) ... i must admit that i already hate code-sharing
[18:34] <asac> i will never agree to that again
[18:34] <asac> fta: yes. same for me ... United code, but lufthansa plane -> cannot check in on united website
[18:34] <asac> and lufthansa errors out
[18:35] <fta> dl recognizes my code, air france (in fact klm) doesn't.
[18:36] <fta> Claire said Air france was too expensive, now i'm in troubles :( but it's cheaper :S
[18:39] <asac> fta: yeah. not sure if its cheaper if you dont make the plane due to troubles ;)
[18:40] <asac> fta: you should call dl ... they can give you a af code
[18:40] <asac> fta: i called united and got a lufthansa code form them
[18:40] <asac> but still they think that i am checked in ... without a seat though ;)
[18:40] <fta> i know it, it's AF84
[18:41] <asac> fta: no. .. i mean the booking code ;)
[18:41] <[reed]> jcastro: ping
[18:41] <asac> fta: i have now too codes: one for united ... and one for lufthansa .
[18:42] <asac> tw
[18:42] <asac> o
[18:42] <asac> fta: jcastro is at fosscamp ;)
[18:42] <fta> i think i have it, i have a 13 digits code
[18:43] <asac> hmmm ... here booking references are 8 letters
[18:43] <fta> it doesn't know, nor does my frequent flyer #, nor my reference #
[18:43] <fta> -know+work (dman)
[18:43] <[reed]> this flight will kick me over to elite status
[18:43] <[reed]> hehe
[18:44] <[reed]> hopefully, I can upgrade coming back for free ;)
[18:44] <asac> elite-status ... which carrier?
[18:44] <asac> err, aliance i mean ;)
[18:45] <[reed]> SkyTeam (Delta, Northwest, KLM, etc.)
[18:45] <[reed]> I'll be silver medallion or something
[18:45] <[reed]> just means I've flown a lot this year ;(
[18:45] <asac> ah ... thought highest class ;)
[18:46] <[reed]> no, just the first medallion level
[18:46] <[reed]> but my first time getting that ;)
[18:46] <fta> you'll just have access to the lounge
[18:46] <fta> got that several years ago
[18:46] <[reed]> you fly a lot more than me, though :0
[18:47] <[reed]> plus, I'm just 20
[18:47] <[reed]> and in college still!
[18:47] <[reed]> hehe
[18:47] <[reed]> one exam down, four more to go
[18:47] <[reed]> one more later today
[18:47] <[reed]> and three on Monday
[18:48] <fta> not anymore, I used to travel a lot more
[18:48] <asac> [reed]: then finished?
[18:48] <[reed]> asac: for the semester
[18:48] <asac> i hate travel
[18:48] <asac> [reed]: ah ;)
[18:48] <[reed]> I have 3 semesters left
[18:48] <[reed]> (1.5 years)
[18:48]  * asac hates mobility ;)
[18:48] <asac> [reed]: and after that? university?
[18:48] <asac> for master/phd?
[18:49] <[reed]> we don't differentiate college vs. university
[18:49] <[reed]> in America
[18:49] <[reed]> but no, I'm not going to get my master's, probably
[18:49] <[reed]> just move to California and get a job ;)
[18:50] <[reed]> the school I go to now is Mississippi State University
[18:50] <[reed]> it's just that college and university are synonyms in America
[18:51] <[reed]> hah @ my manager participating in NSID (noshavingindecember.org) -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/10904161@N00/
[18:52] <asac> [reed]: post-graduate .. thought that would be at "universities" in america
[18:52] <[reed]> nope... just known as "graduate school"
[18:52] <asac> ok
[18:53] <asac> [reed]: some are called universities though ;)
[18:53] <[reed]> sure
[18:53] <asac> thought that college goes to bachelor
[18:53] <[reed]> nope
[18:53] <[reed]> college can go to ph.d or whatever
[18:53]  * asac fixes his mind-map ;)
[18:53] <[reed]> it doesn't matter
[18:53] <[reed]> "community college" would be a two-year program (associate's degree)
[18:54] <[reed]> and then college and university are basically the same thing
[18:54] <[reed]> and then graduate school after one finishes one's bachelor's, if one is so inclined... but most colleges/universities have graduate schools built directly in
[18:56] <asac> [reed]: ok. but some colleges just offer up to bachelor right?
[18:56] <[reed]> sure, but pretty rare nowdays
[18:58] <[reed]> ok, exam in two hours
[18:58] <[reed]> I need to study
[18:59] <[reed]> later :)
[18:59] <asac> good luck
[19:00]  * [reed] needs to figure out what to do with his luggage on Tuesday... could go from SFO directly to Google, or I could drop it at Mozilla for safekeeping, or I could go to the hotel first, ... that's what I need jcastro for ;)
[19:01] <[reed]> lots of "private meetings" on the summit schedule this time
[19:01] <asac> most likely go to google ... and store it somewhere ;)
[19:01] <asac> really?
[19:01] <[reed]> yeah
[19:02] <asac> [reed]: where do you see private meetings?
[19:02] <fta> i saw some on monday (kernel)
[19:03] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-08/ -- kernel after lunch
[19:03] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-09/ -- mobile in morning
[19:03] <[reed]> and kernel after lunch again
[19:04] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/breakout-a/ -- thursday
[19:04] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-12/ -- mobile
[19:05] <fta> we can do our own private :)
[19:05] <[reed]> the breakout rooms look pretty bare
[19:11] <stevel> [reed] technically college is undergraduate only. university implies undergraduate & graduate
[19:12] <stevel> (i only know this because the university i went to was further broken down into colleges, which was a point of confusion for many of us)
[19:16] <[reed]> heh, yeah, my university has "colleges", too
[19:17] <[reed]> I'm under the College of Engineering
[19:19] <[reed]> and then under the Department of Computer Science & Engineering
[19:19] <stevel> ours was really confusing. we had departments, like Department of Computer Science & Engineering
[19:19] <stevel> but actual undergraduate colleges that were independent of departments
[19:20] <[reed]> were departments under colleges?
[19:20] <stevel> that had no relation to your discipline
[19:20] <[reed]> ah
[19:20] <stevel> it dictated where you lived on campus, your advisors, and what your general-education/pre-requisite courses were
[19:20] <stevel> really strange setup
[19:21] <[reed]> at UCSD? :)
[19:21] <stevel> [reed]: yeah
[19:21]  * [reed] adds you on facebook
[19:21] <[reed]> hehe
[19:21] <stevel> you're familiar with it?
[19:21] <[reed]> I know of the school, and I know people that have gone there
[19:21] <[reed]> but I've never been there
[19:21] <[reed]> I live in Mississippi ;)
[19:22] <stevel> ah. I know of Mississippi. but I've never been there. :-)
[19:22] <[reed]> yeah, the wonders of the internet
[19:22] <[reed]> I can work part-time for Mozilla from my dorm room
[19:22] <[reed]> it's awesome ;)
[19:22] <stevel> heh
[19:23]  * stevel notes the coincidence of both [reed]'s and stevel's facebook photos being thumbs-ups
[19:23] <[reed]> haha
[19:23] <[reed]> I didn't even notice that
[20:43] <fta> asac, "Why can't I check-in?" blablabla "3/ If the first segment of your flight is operated by another airline."
[20:48] <asac> fta: yes ;=
[20:48] <asac> fta: when does your flight leave?
[20:49] <fta> 10:15
[20:50] <fta> so i need to leave home ~7am
[20:50] <fta> maybe even 6am to be on the safe side
[20:51] <asac> hehe
[20:51] <asac> good i .. start at 7:30 and leave at 10 to six ;)
[20:52] <asac> s/start/demand/
[20:52] <asac> err depart ;)
[20:53] <fta> oh, not direct then
[20:54] <asac> hamburg .. no
[20:55] <asac> our airport is in the middle of the city
[20:55] <asac> so via london
[21:03] <fta> asac, jcastro: in case you're interested, i'll meet my chromium contact on monday, early afternoon.
[21:14] <asac> fta: hmm ... monday afternoon is the only day where i have sessions ... but well
[21:14] <asac> i would like to
[21:14] <asac> anyway
[21:14] <asac> i am about to bail out
[21:14] <asac> fta: Bon voyage. A demain!
[21:33] <fta> asac, merci :) toi aussi
[22:13] <armin76> fta: lol @ sparc :)
[22:49] <Jazzva> asac, fta: have a safe trip...


[13:51] <CIA-128> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r1173 ubuntu/ (choose-mirror.c debian/changelog): Manage memory for 'country' variable more carefully.
[13:54] <CIA-128> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r1174 ubuntu/ (choose-mirror.c debian/changelog):
[13:54] <CIA-128> choose-mirror: If the selected country has no mirror (excluding all-countries mirrors),
[13:54] <CIA-128> choose-mirror: then fall back to the default (LP: #919356).
[13:56] <CIA-128> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r1175 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.39ubuntu3
[13:57] <cjwatson> stgraber_: any luck with tracking down that ubiquity window size regression?
[14:08] <stgraber_> cjwatson: no, I've mostly been dealing with friendly-recovery and resolvconf yesterday. I was hoping to have some time to look at ubiquity today.
[14:09] <stgraber_> cjwatson: I noticed some other gtk weirdness on the desktop though where some fields (mostly text entry fields) would change nice with the recent light-themes upload
[14:09] <stgraber_> *would change size
[14:11] <cjwatson> maybe it was a theme thing; I just noticed that it started failing for me just after I upgraded GTK
[16:16] <stgraber> cjwatson: OK (skipped=2)
[16:17] <stgraber> cjwatson: running tests/run on my laptop
[16:18] <cjwatson> hmm, maybe a local problem then
[16:18]  * cjwatson upgrades everything and tries again
[16:18]  * stgraber needs to find a way to make test_usersetup pass in a container that doesn't involve hardcoding the real hostname in the test ...
[16:43] <cjwatson> stgraber: hm, yes, works for me now.  Maybe I was only partially upgraded or maybe it was transient.  Odd, but I shan't worry about it then.
[16:43] <cjwatson> thanks for the cluebat :-)
[16:44] <stgraber> np, happy to see it's not just a local weirdness on my machine ;)
[16:45] <stgraber> cjwatson: do you have some more things to land in trunk or should I tag and upload what we have so it makes it to the dailies?
[16:49] <cjwatson> Always, but nothing urgent
[16:49] <cjwatson> I can do it myself if you like
[16:54] <stgraber> that'd be great, thanks
[17:27] <CIA-128> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5174 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[17:27] <CIA-128> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: choose-mirror 2.39ubuntu3,
[17:27] <CIA-128> ubiquity: netcfg 1.68ubuntu11.
[17:33] <CIA-128> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5175 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.17
[19:01] <stgraber> thanks
[19:36] <cjwatson> stgraber: test_usersetup> the powerpc build failed there; is that the same problem?
[19:37] <stgraber> I doubt it, the problem I have here is that the check expects "<hostname>.local" or "<hostname>" would resolve, which they don't in my case because arkose generates a temporary hostname that doesn't exist in the dns, in /etc/hosts or over avahi
[19:38] <cjwatson> I wonder if the right answer for powerpc is to provide a mock version of Gio.Resolver.lookup_by_name_finish
[19:38] <cjwatson> which I think would fix your problem too?
[19:38] <stgraber> could be that /etc/hosts on the specific buildd is wrong though
[19:38] <stgraber> yeah it'd indeed
[19:38] <cjwatson> or indeed .lookup_by_name_async
[19:39] <cjwatson> perhaps both
[20:12]  * cjwatson tries to convert from Gtk[HV]Box to GtkBox, and refreshes his memory of XPath
[20:12] <cjwatson> xgrep -x '//object[@class="GtkBox"][count(child/packing/property[@name="expand"]) = 0]'
[21:14] <CIA-128> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5176 trunk/ (22 files in 8 dirs):
[21:14] <CIA-128> ubiquity: Convert from deprecated GtkHBox/GtkVBox to GtkBox, and from
[21:14] <CIA-128> ubiquity: GtkHButtonBox to GtkButtonBox.
[21:21] <CIA-128> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5177 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/panel/panel.c): Use g_object_unref instead of deprecated gdk_pixbuf_unref.
[21:35] <CIA-128> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5178 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/panel/panel.c):
[21:35] <CIA-128> ubiquity: Use gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored rather than gdk_error_trap_pop when
[21:35] <CIA-128> ubiquity: ignoring errors.
[23:29] <cjwatson> stgraber: I committed what I think is a better fix for whiptail path hardcoding to debconf upstream: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debconf/debconf.git;a=commitdiff;h=43ca07c027ac609294fc8a020d1912ab606a4f2e
[23:29] <cjwatson> (no rush though, we can probably just take that on the next sync)
[23:29] <cjwatson> (well, merge)
[23:36] <stgraber> cjwatson: indeed much better, I was actually wondering how to do the equivalent of type/which in perl for a second, then gave up ;)


[06:55] <mup> PR snapd#11968 closed: tests: ensure that microk8s does not produce DENIED messages <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11968>
[06:55] <mup> PR snapd#11978 closed: many: support non-default provenance snap-revisions in DeriveSideInfo* <snap-revision-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11978>
[06:55] <mup> PR snapd#11991 opened: features,overlord: move quota groups out of experimental stage <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11991>
[10:16] <mup> PR snapd#11992 opened: interfaces,metautil: make error handling in getPaths() more  targeted <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11992>
[10:21] <mup> PR snapd#11846 closed: i/b/desktop,unity7: remove name= specification on D-Bus signals <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11846>
[11:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#3846 opened: kde extension: new content snap for core20 <Created by ppd> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3846>
[12:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#3847 opened: linters: add linting infrastructure <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3847>
[12:56] <mup> PR snapd#11981 closed: bootloader/assets: add ttyS0,115200n8 to grub.cfg <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11981>
[13:36] <mup> PR snapd#11928 closed: interfaces: posix-mq: allow specifying message queue paths as an array <Needs Samuele review> <Created by IsaacJT> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11928>
[14:16] <mup> PR snapd#11993 opened: tests: Fix calls to systemctl is-system-running <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11993>
[17:52] <mup> PR snapd#11994 opened: tests: skip interfaces-network-control on i386 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11994>
[20:48] <mup> PR snapd#11987 closed: tests: tweak the "tests/nested/manual/connections" test <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11987>
[21:28] <mup> PR snapd#11995 opened: tests: import remote tools <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11995>


[08:15] <hugh_> morning...
[08:16] <zmoylan-pi> hi
[08:16] <hugh_> no news with you back to work or holiday time...
[08:17] <hugh_> busy out?
[08:18]  * zmoylan-pi hasn't poked nose out door yet
[08:19] <ronin472> can't seem to get my netbook working... won't boot up for me...
[08:19] <zmoylan-pi> lights, booting noises?
[08:19] <ronin472> Nice morning here in the west anyway..
[08:19] <ronin472> ya i can get to the grub alright but then nothing...
[08:20] <ronin472> I'd say I have to overwrite the MBR...
[08:20] <zmoylan-pi> try a live distro seems to be the next step
[08:20] <ronin472> knoppix?
[08:20] <ronin472> puppy..
[08:20] <zmoylan-pi> quite a selection these days, i prefer xubuntu myself
[08:20] <ronin472> ya i'll get that so...
[08:21] <zmoylan-pi> will at least show the hardware is working.
[08:21] <ronin472> whats Xubuntu? never heard of it?
[08:21] <ronin472> ya...
[08:21] <zmoylan-pi> ubuntu without unity.  xfce window manager so less resource hungry
[08:21] <ronin472> i'll get on that thanks zmylan-pi
[08:21] <ronin472> very good.. you running a rasberry pi?
[08:21] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed it gives you an answer
[08:22] <zmoylan-pi> i *love* my pi
[08:22] <ronin472> Thats the other problem I have one too and i cant dd it...
[08:22] <zmoylan-pi> i have it running beside wifi ap.  i connect to it via ssh and run irssi for irc and newsbeuter for rss
[08:22] <zmoylan-pi> in tmux
[08:23] <ronin472> Niiice... thats cool man...
[08:23] <ronin472> I want to run mine as a server for wimax If I could get the yoke working..
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> problems with it?
[08:24] <ronin472> Get a solar panal for power...
[08:24] <ronin472> ya id wont boot..
[08:24] <ronin472> *it..
[08:24] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i do want to run it from solar.  for maximum smugness :-)
[08:24] <ronin472> red light...
[08:24] <zmoylan-pi> red light is power, led next to it is sd card access
[08:25] <ronin472> ya well i kind of need somthing... ha ha.
[08:25] <zmoylan-pi> then 2 for network
[08:25] <zmoylan-pi> could be the sd card is not happy, try a different sd card would be my advice
[08:25] <ronin472> ya i looked up the docs alright. but..
[08:25] <ronin472> o right what would you recommend?
[08:26] <ronin472> manufactuarer...
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> i cheated and got a maplins pi starter kit and all the bits and bobs were guaranteed to be cushty
[08:26] <ronin472> flip you I shoud have done that. I got mine on farnell...
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> there are 1-2 cheap brands that some people complain about.  just beg borrow another card and give it a whack
[08:27] <ronin472> I'm in the sticks now here though...
[08:27] <zmoylan-pi> mind i paid €99 and 2 weeks later it was €80 as they dumped old stock as b+ came out :-)
[08:27] <ronin472> good on you...
[08:28] <ronin472> would it be good to goto maplins this week?
[08:28] <ronin472> any sales on in limerick or galway?
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> then i spent 3 days trying to get a monitor that would attach to it.  i have no hdmi monitors.  in end i got ancient multi mode screen connected via scart :-)
[08:28] <ronin472> good man thats the stuff...
[08:28] <ronin472> hack it together...
[08:29] <zmoylan-pi> then once it was booted, connect to network and install vnc
[08:30] <zmoylan-pi> now it just sits there happily doing irc and rss using about 100mb of ram barely ticking over
[08:30] <ronin472> I'm thinking of making my own board. Half arduino and half proto-type board based on the 8051 architecture...
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> oooooh
[08:31] <ronin472> I'm an electronics wiz.. so..
[08:31] <ronin472> would you be interested?
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> i'm hoping for a beefier pi or maybe a hummingbird and use it as primary computer
[08:32] <ronin472> ya i hear you can get NEC computers now for 150€...
[08:32] <ronin472> there soposed to be pretty good...
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> getting cheap computers is easier but i love the idea of using a computer that can be run from solar, in ireland
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> i'm cheap that way :-)
[08:32] <ronin472> ya same as...
[08:33] <ronin472> technicly you would'nt need any screen either...
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> in 90s i used psion pda as my main computer.  one of the happiest moments was been online via battery powered modem and their been a powercut and merely switching on backlight and continuing :-)
[08:53] <ronin472> Cool man love it... I'll see you later..
[08:53] <zmoylan-pi>  cya


[11:16] <RikMills> santa_: Just confirmed in a VM that upgrading to libllvm9 in proposed does make julia segfault
[12:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:28] <RikMills> LP: #1949193
[14:06] <santa_> RikMills: ack, thanks for the assistance
[14:08] <RikMills> santa_: I also note the llvmlite autopkgtests fail against that llvm with a python segfault, and it doesn't seem to want to build for s390x
[14:08] <RikMills> worst case maybe we can just get it removed from proposed if there is no sure fix
[14:08] <santa_> ok
[14:17] <RikMills> santa_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-9/1:9.0.1-20ubuntu1
[14:18] <RikMills> so lets see how that goes


[01:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks great. Only criticism I now have is that it's not detecting USB audio devices (other than the one set as master) prior to start, which means I'm having to hotplug devices in order to get them to be recognized.
[01:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Further information: It's only letting USB devices show up if it's uplugged/replugged after the "Bridge USB Devices" checkbox has been unchecked/rechecked. Still won't detect USB devices on Jack start.
[03:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: thanks. I thought I had checked that but... I did check auto switch from USB to internal for sure. And plug and unplug (as you say) works too. But not pluged in when start, ok.
[03:17] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: It also doesn't deal well with systems that don't have an internal device (other than hdmi) Something else I have to fix.
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I can't get my internal device to work if I use my external.
[03:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: explain?
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: My internal audio isn't available to Jack if I use my external USB interface as master.
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> Not that I'm complaining too much since I wouldn't anyhow, it'd just introduce latency.
[03:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it doesn't shoe up in extra?
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It shows up in extra, but doesn't show up in the patchbay despite any setting I make.
[03:57] <OvenWerks> or do you expect it to auto bridge when USB is plugged in?
[03:57] <OvenWerks> ok
[04:00]  * OvenWerks is taking notes
[04:01] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Basically, I'd expect my internal audio to show-up by default, despite any USB plugged-in. Sure, I can select it as master, but the moment I select anything else as master it disappears.
[04:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think not everyone would want that. What if you set it to all channels in extra?
[04:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: basically you have to turn it on in extra devices by settings the number of channels you want for in/out. If it is not jack master it would then be bridged
[04:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it is the same with usb devices which are set to 100 channels by default when detected but the user can choose to set them to fewer channels or off (in the case of a webcam)
[04:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: also "internal" device is hard to detect (I am finding) or may not exist at all.
[04:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I tried detecting a "default" device... and there is an issue (59 and 60) for when there is no internal or there is only hdmi
[04:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: to choose default alsa device I am looking at:
[04:24] <OvenWerks> hda device that is not hdmi
[04:25] <OvenWerks> other pci device.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> alsa driven firewire device
[04:25] <OvenWerks> hdmi
[04:26] <OvenWerks> then jackaster = none and USBdev is the first USB device which should default to the first usb device.
[18:11] <RikMills> https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.22.2/
[18:11] <RikMills> uploading
[19:03] <OvenWerks> RikMills: thanks to the team for all the fixes and effort
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Another issue: when hotunplugging/plugging in a device, I'll sometimes get a duplicate device.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: noted. Hopefully fixing the other problem with usb bridges not on jack start will fix that too.
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, that would be good.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: for the problem you listed last night: "I'd expect my internal audio to
[19:33] <OvenWerks>                    show-up by default, despite any USB plugged-in."
[19:35] <OvenWerks> I might change convert to auto set channels of the non-USB dev to all at least if the old version is less that 2.1.60
[19:36] <OvenWerks> So it still work the same as 2.1.4 on first run but the user can turn that off if they wish.
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's fair.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The problem is that people new to Jack are going to get confused as to why their internal audio doesn't just show-up unless opted out. It's not intuitive to have internal audio opt-in.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> not sure what to do for first time users though.
[19:38] <OvenWerks> Ok, that sort lof answers my question
[21:19] <wonko> In other news I think my case is at the post office waiting for me to pick it up so I should be able to build the new computer tomorrow.
[21:19] <wonko> Then I can start playing with this stuff too
[21:20] <wonko> I ended up keeping the komplete audio 6 so I've got a USB device to test this shirt l sort of thing with too.
[21:20] <wonko> This sort of thing too. Stupid phone.
[23:10] <wonko> Ooohhh, message says I may get my nick if the person who registered it doesn't use it. Woo!
[23:49] <OvenWerks> wonko: so you have to wait two weeks and ask for it to be released
[23:57] <wonko> OvenWerks: yeah, but at least it's possible. 😁


[01:20] <thafreak> So, I guess there's going to be a release party in Kent this wednesday
[01:20] <thafreak> The KSU chapter of the ACM is putting it on...
[01:20] <thafreak> So if anyone is in the Kent/Ravena/Akron area...
[01:23] <andygraybeal_> nice
[04:39] <drkokandy> huh.  I'm already with progressive for my car insurance.  Progressive takes paypal.
[14:05] <dzho> so paypal can screw up your insurance payments, now, too.
[14:05] <dzho> canthus13: you going to opt out of the paypal arbitration terms by December, or going to stand pat?
[14:07] <canthus13> dzho: Eh?
[14:07]  * canthus13 already has direct debit for progressive. he doesn't need paypal for it. :P
[14:07] <canthus13> And honestly, I've used paypal ever since they started up and never had a problem with them.
[14:12] <canthus13> I just realized that 'smartphone' is now a codeword for 'I'm embarrassed to admit that I have a blackberry.'
[14:19] <paultag> that's pretty shockingly true
[14:46] <dzho> haha
[14:47] <dzho> don't know if I've mentioned it here before, but I refer to my n900 as my "smart-enough phone"
[14:52]  * canthus13 loves his photon. :)
[15:19] <Cheri703> thafreak: pretty sure it's still just "ugh unity zomg pwr uzrs"
[16:22] <thafreak> i still have an n810 in the basement...
[16:22] <thafreak> i keep buying this crap and never really doing much with it :/
[18:32] <paultag> gilbert: big changes to dput, etc. Feedback so far?
[18:32] <gilbert> paultag: actually, haven't had a chance to use it :(
[18:32] <paultag> ah, np
[18:33] <gilbert> what kinda big changes?
[18:33] <paultag> let me know if you have any feedback or anything, I want to push live by end of week
[18:33] <paultag> gilbert: fixes to dcut, I think you've got some broken dcut code
[18:33] <paultag> I had to dcut something and it blew up on me
[18:33] <paultag> (protoduction ftw)
[18:34] <paultag> there's a few issues left, but we're a lot more stable in git then the cut you have (just btw)
[18:35] <gilbert> cool
[18:35] <gilbert> i'll sync
[18:35] <paultag> rockn'
[18:35] <paultag> be sure to let me know of any issues, I'll try to tend to them quickly
[18:36] <paultag> also; manpages
[21:10] <Unit193> Cheri703: Still good?
[22:05] <cheri703_panera> panera is dumb and won't let me connect to my quassel server :(
[22:30] <canthus13> heh.


[10:41] <puff> Evening, what do folks think about vhcs.net or ispconfig.org?
[10:41] <puff> We're setting up a colo for some private projects;  one of the users is used to control panels.  I'm kind of gunshy of them, because they've caused me endless problems in the past.
[04:08] <GNu_Joe> is anyone working on any server projects?
[08:02] <bigredradio> Anyone here on the installer dev teams? I want to scratch an itch...
[08:04] <bigredradio> My question is "Is there a reason LVM is supported, but only confiures one LARGE lv?" This seems wrong and I want to help correct it.


[03:01] <jayjo> is there a way to read a specific line of a file? I want to only look at line 8526
[04:01] <sikun> ugh.. all that much trouble over a very simple/stupid mistake
[06:51] <antipsychiatry> Hi
[08:06] <PCdude> I am having difficulty with installing openstack on ubuntu , when the installer uses JUJU to bootstrap a node it stops and crashes
[08:06] <PCdude> anyone here to help?
[08:34] <fklinguista> Hello everyone!
[08:34] <fklinguista> I'm new to the Ubuntu server scene and I'm trying to make a personal file server in my apartment, here in Thailand.
[08:35] <fklinguista> The server is up and running nicely with webmin and I'm able to ssh when connected directly through a LAN cable
[08:35] <fklinguista> ... from my laptop to the server, that is
[08:35] <fklinguista> But there's one issue.
[08:36] <fklinguista> In most Thai apartments, there is no wired connection available, only wireless
[08:36] <fklinguista> and while I fiddled for an hour with the cmd line, I got my server to recognize a wireless adapter and connect to the ESSID
[08:36] <fklinguista> and then used curl to bypass the login screen
[08:37] <fklinguista> however, when I tried to ping from the device to <IP_ADDRESS>, for example, I still got "Host Unreachable"
[08:37] <fklinguista> I'm also unable to connect to the device through the IP address assigned to it by the server.
[08:37] <fklinguista> **by the apartment complex router
[08:58] <ikonia> froike: sadly webmin is not something we suport
[08:58] <ikonia> oops
[09:01] <sikun> ugh.. webmin
[09:36] <fklinguista> Hello, is anyone online now?
[09:37] <PCdude> yes, I am here also waiting for help
[09:37] <PCdude> what does ur /etc/network/interfaces file says?
[09:37] <PCdude> u configured the gateway?
[09:41] <fklinguista> I think the gateway configuration is the problem
[09:41] <fklinguista> So, I did a little bit of troubleshooting
[09:42] <fklinguista> I can ping my apartment's gateway from the server
[09:42] <fklinguista> But I can't ping the IP assigned to the server from the apartment router
[09:42] <fklinguista> Here's the output of /etc/network/interfaces
[09:42] <fklinguista> # The loopback network interface
[09:42] <fklinguista> auto lo
[09:42] <fklinguista> iface lo inet loopback
[09:42] <fklinguista> # The primary network interface
[09:42] <fklinguista> auto enp2s0
[09:42] <fklinguista> iface enp2s0 inet dhcp
[09:43] <fklinguista> #Edit to see if wifi can connect
[09:43] <fklinguista> auto wlxc412f52e9c14
[09:43] <fklinguista> iface wlxc412f52e9c14 inet dhcp
[09:43] <fklinguista> wireless-essid   SSK-FLoor5-1
[09:43] <fklinguista> wireless-channel 1
[09:43] <fklinguista> wireless-mode    managed
[09:43] <fklinguista> I set up the last bit to allow my wireless device to connect to my apartment's network automatically
[09:48] <PCdude> I think its a firewall problem
[09:48] <PCdude> since the ping from the router to the server does not succeed
[09:48] <PCdude> probably ur server is blocking these and will not respond to them
[09:49] <PCdude> which can be a security measurement on servers sometimes
[09:49] <PCdude> what u can try is disable ur firewall and see if things start to work again
[09:49] <fklinguista> Hmm
[09:49] <PCdude> if that is the case, then u can try to tweak ur firewall so it works like u need to
[09:49] <fklinguista> Yeah, I just pinged the gateway from my router and it works
[09:50] <PCdude> can u ping the server from a different device?
[09:50] <fklinguista> Oh sorry, I meant pinged the gateway from my server
[09:50] <fklinguista> I can ping the server's local IP (I'm connected via SSH through a LAN cable)
[09:50] <fklinguista> But I can't ping the DHCP IP that my router assigned it
[09:50] <fklinguista> from any device
[09:51] <fklinguista> I also put up a test index.html file, which I cannot view by entering the IP assigned by the router
[09:51] <PCdude> uhm, I am not following u there
[09:51] <PCdude> the server has 2 IP addresses?
[09:52] <fklinguista> Well, in order to manage my server, after I installed it (I borrowed a monitor to do it), I connected it to my laptop via SSH to configure it
[09:53] <fklinguista> so, if I were to run ifconfig, it has 1 IP address under the ethernet connection (to my laptop)
[09:53] <fklinguista> and another IP under the wireless connection (to the server)
[09:53] <fklinguista> **router
[09:54] <fklinguista> So, I can access the server from my laptop through the ethernet address assigned to it
[09:54] <fklinguista> but I cannot access the server from any device connected to my apartment's router even though the device is also connected to the router
[09:55] <fklinguista> Does that make sense?
[09:55] <PCdude> ah ok, I get it
[09:55] <PCdude> yes it does
[09:55] <fklinguista> So, I guess the easier question is...
[09:55] <fklinguista> Is it my apartment's router that's blocking me from connecting to my server through the IP assigned to it?
[09:56] <fklinguista> Because if so, then all hope is lost.  Lol
[09:56] <PCdude> no, definitely not
[09:56] <PCdude> ur router can function as a DHCP server
[09:56] <PCdude> and thats all he does
[09:56] <PCdude> he gives ur server an IP and thats it
[09:56] <PCdude> there is no control of who tries to access the servers IP directly
[09:57] <PCdude> the router has no control over that
[09:57] <fklinguista> hmm
[09:57] <PCdude> if u go through the router to the internet then the router can have affect on it
[09:57] <PCdude> but u are capable of pinging the routers IP with ur server from the wireless connection?
[09:57] <fklinguista> Yes
[09:58] <fklinguista> I ran ping -I wlxc412f52e9c14 <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:58] <fklinguista> the wl... is the dev ID
[09:58] <fklinguista> and the 192... is the gateway
[09:58] <PCdude> can u ping outside of ur LAN, e.g. can u ping <IP_ADDRESS> or ping google.com
[09:58] <PCdude> ?
[09:58] <PCdude> with the server
[09:58] <fklinguista> Host Unreachable
[09:59] <PCdude> with both the <IP_ADDRESS> and google.com?
[09:59] <fklinguista> Well, that's because Thailand has a stupid login system
[09:59] <fklinguista> I could log in and it would work
[09:59] <fklinguista> But it would knock me off of my internet here
[10:00] <fklinguista> Kind of like how coffee shops only allow connection with a log in
[10:00] <fklinguista> but trust me, it works if I log in
[10:00] <PCdude> I am not from thailand, so I have no clue on helping u with that :)
[10:01] <PCdude> but u have to log in with ur router?
[10:01] <fklinguista> Yes
[10:01] <fklinguista> I use curl for that purpose
[10:01] <fklinguista> just curl and send the login information to the .php page
[10:01] <PCdude> and why are u not logged in? maybe a stupid question
[10:01] <fklinguista> If I log in on the server, I wouldn't be able to chat here
[10:01] <fklinguista> haha
[10:01] <fklinguista> I could do it quickly and then come back
[10:02] <fklinguista> Let's see... brb
[10:03] <fklinguista> Okay
[10:03] <fklinguista> I just logged in and back out
[10:03] <fklinguista> pinging google works
[10:03] <fklinguista> I could ping google after I logged in
[10:03] <PCdude> so ur router is normally logged in?
[10:04] <fklinguista> I used ping -I wlxc412f52e9c14 <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:04] <fklinguista> to make sure it was pinging from the wireless and not the shared ethernet
[10:04] <fklinguista> Yes
[10:05] <fklinguista> But, to clarify, it's not my router, so I can't control any of it
[10:05] <PCdude> ah ok, but u have internet access on multiple devices?
[10:05] <PCdude> its like u can only have internet on one device at a time?
[10:05] <PCdude> *not
[10:06] <fklinguista> Yes
[10:06] <fklinguista> that's correct
[10:06] <fklinguista> but I still thought I'd be able to connect to my server, even if I don't have www access
[10:06] <fklinguista> because all of my devices are on the same router
[10:07] <PCdude> that is correct
[10:07] <fklinguista> Yeah, so let me clarify...  I can connect to the router with multiple devices
[10:07] <fklinguista> but only 1 device can be on the www at a time
[10:08] <PCdude> I dont want to be a purist here, but for future use I would suggest u refer to "www" as the WAN. I dont care how u call it but some people dont like it
[10:08] <fklinguista> No problem.
[10:08] <PCdude> is ur router also used as a switch?
[10:09] <fklinguista> I'm actually not sure
[10:09] <fklinguista> I'll try to describe the system as best as I know it
[10:09] <PCdude> are all ur wired devices connected to the router itself?
[10:10] <PCdude> and all ur wireless devices are directly connected to the router with a password?
[10:10] <fklinguista> Well, this is the screwed-up part.
[10:10] <fklinguista> The WLAN network here is not up to American standards, I'm afraid.
[10:10] <fklinguista> It's an Open Network in that anyone can connect to it
[10:11] <fklinguista> but one can only connect to WAN by entering the credentials at the login page
[10:11] <PCdude> anyone, as in the whole country shares the same WLAN?
[10:11] <fklinguista> and no, we do not have access to the router for wired devices
[10:11] <fklinguista> Not the whole country, but the whole apartment complex
[10:11] <fklinguista> It's like this...
[10:12] <fklinguista> There is the modem from the ISP, which is connected to a firewall device, which serves as the login manager
[10:12] <fklinguista> then that firewall is connected via LAN cable to many different Wireless routers
[10:12] <fklinguista> each wireless router has a different ESSID
[10:12] <fklinguista> and there are two wireless routers for every floor of each building
[10:13] <fklinguista> 5 floors in this building, 5 in the other building, so 20 wireless routers in total
[10:14] <fklinguista> all connected to 1 firewall, leading to 1 model
[10:14] <fklinguista> **modem
[10:14] <fklinguista> This is one reason why I want a server, because I do not trust the connection to be able to run Dropbox or another cloud
[10:14] <fklinguista> and personally, I'm a bit afraid of someone being able to steal my data due to the nature of this
[10:15] <fklinguista> I was able to very easily clone one of my MAC addresses to log in via a different device
[10:15] <PCdude> uhm ok, well there are a lot of network devices in place there so I think those can block any signal u have.
[10:15] <PCdude> That could be the reason those pings do not succeed
[10:16] <PCdude> As I were u, I would install "pfsense" ,"ipcop" or "ipfire" as an extra firewall
[10:16] <PCdude> those can protect u from alot of horrible things
[10:17] <PCdude> I agree about the cloud part with u
[10:17] <PCdude> I would suggest u make ur own firewall that functions as the login device
[10:17] <PCdude> therefore u can have a bunch of other devices behind that all can have internet
[10:17] <fklinguista> Well, if I had the money, I'd just get my own separate ISP
[10:18] <PCdude> if u make ur own firewall/router u can setup a NAT system
[10:18] <fklinguista> Well, actually, I bought a separate WLAN device and, using my Linux Mint laptop
[10:18] <fklinguista> was able to bridge the connection to another WLAN coming from the laptop's primary WLAN card
[10:18] <PCdude> ah ok ,good
[10:18] <fklinguista> that's how I got multiple devices to log in
[10:19] <fklinguista> but that requires my laptop to always be on and here
[10:19] <PCdude> true, well I think u can solve some of ur problems with an home made router/firewall
[10:20] <fklinguista> Yes, I agree
[10:20] <PCdude> u can even disguish ur VPN network communication as another protocol
[10:20] <fklinguista> I suppose I could use the Ubuntu Server as a half file server half router, couldn't I ?
[10:21] <PCdude> yes, u can, but I would not suggest
[10:21] <PCdude> it
[10:21] <PCdude> if u were u I would install vmware vsphere
[10:21] <PCdude> its free
[10:21] <PCdude> u can install that on ur server
[10:21] <PCdude> as a VM u can install ubuntu server and do what u want with it
[10:21] <PCdude> and also make a seperate firewall VM
[10:21] <PCdude> I would not use ubuntu as a firewall
[10:22] <fklinguista> upon install, I selected to install a VM server
[10:22] <fklinguista> but I don't know much about how to run virtual servers yet
[10:22] <PCdude> first off its harder to do it all urself, if u are a linux and network guru I would say go for it
[10:22] <fklinguista> I'm learning little-by-little
[10:22] <PCdude> but else I would go for pfsense or something like that
[10:22] <PCdude> yes u can run a VM in ubuntu
[10:22] <PCdude> but that is not what u want
[10:23] <PCdude> and well for a very simple reason
[10:23] <PCdude> ubuntu is a good OS, but is leaves a big "footprint" on ur resources
[10:23] <PCdude> instead u want a hypervisor type 1 that has a lot smaller footprint
[10:23] <PCdude> something like vmware esxi, or xen server,
[10:24] <PCdude> what I would suggest that u have enough RAM in ur server
[10:24] <PCdude> as bare minimum 8 GB and 16 or more is desirable
[10:25] <PCdude> is that making sense?
[10:28] <fklinguista> Yes, it does
[10:29] <fklinguista> Would you still know anyway, why I can't ping my server's WLAN IP from other devices connected to the router?
[10:29] <PCdude> yes I think I know what the problem is
[10:29] <fklinguista> for example, my server is <IP_ADDRESS> and it can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:29] <PCdude> there is a sub system that is called "device isolation" or something like that
[10:30] <PCdude> what that does is seperate all devices on the network from eachother, this is only done on wireless networks
[10:30] <PCdude> this is a security measurement
[10:30] <PCdude> basically, so u or anyone else will not try to connect or even break in other devices
[10:31] <fklinguista> Oh, well that's actually not a bad thing
[10:31] <fklinguista> It sucks for my situation, but it's not bad
[10:31] <PCdude> the only thing u can do is make ur own WLAN and bridge it to the buildings network
[10:32] <PCdude> then make sure the device isolation is turned off and u can connect ur devices to eachother as much as u like
[10:32] <PCdude> if u wanna learn more about networking I suggest u can take a study called "CCENT" or higher
[10:33] <tomreyn> device isolation can also be an option onyour routers' web admin interface
[10:33] <PCdude> that is indeed correct tomreyn
[10:33] <tomreyn> i.e. you may be anle to switch it on / off there
[10:33] <tomreyn> *aBle
[10:34] <PCdude> tomreyn are u familiar with openstack?
[10:34] <tomreyn> not really, no
[10:35] <PCdude> I am banging my head over it , I just cannot get it to install
[10:35] <tomreyn> i'd like to learn it sometime, but i never really had a need to. and it's still somewhat young. and complex.
[10:36] <PCdude> complex for sure, thats why I decided to use ubuntu with landscape it should make things alot easier and a good opportunity to learn from it
[10:36] <tomreyn> i know of multiple hosting providers which had examination projects running for a year just to see whether they could get it to work and make use of it.
[10:36] <PCdude> I get everything installed until the last step and than it hangs and leaves me hanging
[10:37] <PCdude> I hope someday all the projects are put together on one table and make one project out of it, all those separate projects is killing the robustness of openstack IMHO
[10:37] <tomreyn> :-/ sorry i probably won't be able to help unless it's some commonly used stand-alone components which are not openstack specific.
[10:38] <PCdude> well, the problem is with JUJU for sure, are u familiar with JUJU?
[10:38] <tomreyn> nope ;/
[10:39] <fklinguista> One last question for a temporary solution, PCdude
[10:39] <PCdude> sure fklinguista
[10:39] <fklinguista> Say if I were to use the wireless connection from my USB to connect to WAN on the server
[10:39] <PCdude> to bad tomreyn , u know anyone who could help?
[10:40] <PCdude> directly? fklinguista
[10:40] <fklinguista> how would I manually create a bridge from eth0 so I can broadcast my own router, like you said
[10:40] <tomreyn> PCdude: you could look for a juju channel, or try askubuntu.com.
[10:41] <fklinguista> So Apartment router > Server WLAN > Server LAN > My Router > All of my devices
[10:41] <fklinguista> to be able to connect to everyone and to circumvent the login for multiple devices
[10:41] <PCdude> ah ok, I get it
[10:43] <PCdude> so what u do is install vmware ESXI, then u install pfsense on it. In pfsense u connect it to ur aparment router, with login and everything (the WLAN connection). then u can use the wired connection on ur server as a LAN. that one u connect to a different switch
[10:43] <PCdude> on that switch u connect all ur devices u want
[10:43] <PCdude> u can also connect a Access point on there for ur wireless needs
[10:44] <PCdude> just to clear some confusion if u start to look on the internet for a wireless router
[10:44] <PCdude> a router is for many people a device that connects wireless devices, but its not
[10:44] <PCdude> a router is a device that can separate or combine different networks or subnets
[10:45] <PCdude> what u want to add to the switch is an AP or access point, that is the correct name for a device that connects wireless devices
[10:45] <PCdude> I am trying to keep it brief here, but am I making sense?
[10:45] <fklinguista> Yes, you are
[10:46] <PCdude> tomreyn , yeah I am trying that, but since its so long there are not really people who have been in the business for 10 years or so. u know that real guru's. everyone is basically trying and see if it works, but thanks anyway
[10:46] <PCdude> fklinguista , good :)
[10:48] <fklinguista> But I was thinking, in the meantime, before I install pfsense
[10:48] <fklinguista> what would be a good temporary solution
[10:50] <fklinguista> Since I used Network Manager on Ubuntu, the config is not the same
[10:50] <PCdude> I think u can make it work all in ubuntu or any linux distro, but that can be a pain in the butt. Honestly, I just succeeded the beginner level of a linux guru, so I cant help u do it in there.
[10:50] <tomreyn> you can do routing and traffic filtering on linux, no need for a pfsense VM
[10:51] <tomreyn> but some understanding of networking will be a very useful if not necessary ingredient to setting this up.
[10:52] <fklinguista> I guess what I'm asking (because I've looked on Google and nothing good is coming up), is how would I configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:52] <PCdude> sure u can do it all in linux, but in a pfsense vm its alot easier for usage. plus u can make snapshots and things like that. personally, I would like my router/firewall be the same device as my file server, but yeah sure u can do it
[10:52] <fklinguista> to have my eth0 as the bridge from my wlan0
[10:53] <PCdude> what u want is routing and that will involve alot more than only /etc/network/interfaces
[10:53] <tomreyn> you will need to have multiple interfaces and something like "up /sbin/ip route add ..." in /etc /network/interfaces.
[10:53] <tomreyn> you'll also need to enable ip_forwarding on one of your interfaces.
[10:53] <PCdude> plus u will need to look at iptables
[10:54] <PCdude> tomreyn u were faster :)
[10:54] <tomreyn> you could use shorewall to manage iptables, they also have some examples on how to do routing on their documentation. but the network configuration part is really outside of the firewalling domain
[10:55] <fklinguista> I have webmin installed
[10:55] <tomreyn> i.e. they kind of expect you to have a working network setup before you start adding traffic fitlering on top.
[10:56] <PCdude> plus, u will need a good understanding about networking itself to get it work
[10:56] <fklinguista> ah
[10:56] <tomreyn> this webmin statement suggests to me that you need to read at leats one book on network designs
[10:57] <tomreyn> please don't take it personal, i don't mean it this way.
[10:57] <fklinguista> No problem.
[11:00] <fklinguista> Thank you for all the help and advice!  I have to go eat now
[11:00] <tomreyn> maybe this can be a good start: http://www.tecmint.com/setup-linux-as-router/
[11:00] <fklinguista> Take care!
[11:00] <fklinguista> thank you, tomreyn
[11:00] <tomreyn> good luck
[11:00] <PCdude> good luck
[11:01] <fklinguista> To you as well
[11:02] <PCdude> tomreyn , I tried the juju and openstack channel and have asked on stackexchange, but no luck so far
[11:02] <tomreyn> well give it some more time
[11:03] <tomreyn> where's your stackexchange post?
[11:03] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/817572/openstack-fails-to-install-caused-by-juju
[11:04] <PCdude> Even the troubleshooting is pretty fucked up, since in the files that I looked in there are no clear error messages
[11:04] <tomreyn> hehe, awesome error message there
[11:04] <tomreyn> it might point to an incorrect password. or something else entirely.
[11:05] <PCdude> yeah, I know , the kind that makes u pull out ur hair :)
[11:05] <PCdude> yup, and how to find that out is up to god I guees
[11:05] <PCdude> the problem is that JUJU is still in beta, so I know I cant ask to much yet
[11:06] <PCdude> but the JUJU version for 14.04 (the stable one) is giving me errors too
[11:06] <PCdude> thats what happens if openstack, MAAS and JUJU all live in an entirely building and do not communicate....
[11:07] <tomreyn> PCdude: fd stands for floppy disk, so your VM has a virtual floppy disk connected and that causes i/o errors. you could probably just remove the fd
[11:08] <tomreyn> or it could be file descriptor, but i don't think so based on the conext provided
[11:08] <tomreyn> dev fd0, sector 0 sounds a lot like floppy disk
[11:08] <PCdude> that is a good point! I was wondering where fd came from, but makes sense
[11:09] <PCdude> *that
[11:09] <PCdude> I am gonna try that out, its a small VM and VMware just automatically adds the floppy disks
[11:12] <PCdude> that is gonna take some time, coz I have to build some things from the ground up again, how long will u be here tomreyn ?
[11:12] <tomreyn> had you tried http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-ubuntu/ or http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-ubuntu/ ?
[11:12] <tomreyn> this is poroibably what i would do rather than following some youtube tutorial
[11:14] <tomreyn> i won't be at the keyboard all the time, but i use a bouncer so i remain connected to irc and can read up when i return. but, really, i don'T think i'm the right person to help you with there.
[11:15] <PCdude> yeah true, the problem is that installs only openstack and ubuntu also offers landscape.  If it was only the initial setup that is fine, but its not, u will constantly need to go in the CLI and change stuff
[11:16] <PCdude> ah ok, well, I think it constantly fails coz of my to little understanding of linux to fix basic problems here and there.
[11:17] <PCdude> I am learning for my LPIC-1 so I am trying my best to become better
[12:35] <Vacuum_> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8905569
[13:20] <PCdude> tomreyn , it turns out there is no floppy disk at all in the VM....
[13:22] <tomreyn> strange, i could have sworn this message related to a floppy disk controller
[13:24] <PCdude> I even looked in the VM files, if there was secretly hiding some floppy but no luck, I have to think really hard now what else it could be
[13:27] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/213512/buffer-i-o-error-on-device-fd0-logical-block-0-error
[13:27] <PCdude> they also talk about a floppy disk
[15:03] <tdelam> hey guys, I need a specific version of Apache to be installed (PCI compliance annoyances). I am using Ubuntu 14.04LTS. I need Apache version 2.4.23 or later. Is there a way I can target a version like this via apt?
[15:06] <RoyK> tdelam: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/apache2 perhaps
[15:08] <tdelam> RoyK: yep, I found my solution. Worked like a charm.
[15:09] <tdelam> sorry to bother :)
[15:11] <RoyK> np
[19:19] <tammy5> what was the solution tdelam
[20:45] <tammy5> what was the solution tdelam
[21:20] <YamakasY> how large are the default mirrors for packages atm ? I have ~425G for 12.04 and 14.04 ?
[21:59] <apb1963_> sarnold: you around?


[00:13]  * dcbane kicks Trixar_za
[00:13] <dcbane> I feel better already :)
[07:45] <Kilos> hi placid_bonga
[07:45] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:46] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[07:46] <Kilos> inetpro included
[08:13] <placid_bonga> everyone enjoying the new year
[08:16] <Kilos> well placid_bonga rather hot and dry here
[08:16] <Kilos> can you do rain dances?
[08:18] <placid_bonga> I have tremendous rain dancing abilities, should be sorted in a day or two
[08:20] <Kilos> wonderful
[08:21] <Kilos> where are you?
[08:21] <placid_bonga> Dainfern, Midrand
[08:21] <kulelu88> Does anybody use LXC  here?
[08:22] <Kilos> midrand close enough to ptown
[08:22] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[08:22] <kulelu88> yo
[10:10] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:11] <inetpro> Kilos: that was ±113 litres of water in the drum
[10:11] <Kilos> wonderful
[10:11] <inetpro> oops, afternoon as well
[10:11] <Kilos> we had 1/2 mm
[10:11] <Kilos> i posted on pm
[10:12] <Kilos> will explain further for you
[10:12] <inetpro> hmm... so you need them holes on the sides?
[10:13] <Kilos> yes they need air
[10:13] <inetpro> and the bottom?
[10:14] <Kilos> they can be smaller as well but i was lazy so made fewer with larger holes
[10:14] <inetpro> ok
[10:14]  * inetpro shall await an explanation
[10:14] <Kilos> the bottom becomes the top and thats where you add stuff but then cover afterwards
[10:14] <inetpro> no rush needed
[10:15] <Kilos> must be out of all sun
[10:15]  * inetpro wbbl
[10:15] <Kilos> you put about 2 inches of torn up newspaper and egg trays at bottom
[10:15] <Kilos> ok
[12:45] <Kilos> maybe our cricket team should takr up pool ot pinball
[15:18] <Kilos> placid_bonga you here?
[15:20] <Kilos> you can join our mailing list here https://ubuntu-za.org/getting-involved.html
[15:21] <Kilos> somewhere we have a launchpad account you can join as well
[15:24] <Kilos> ill find it or have it found but here is our wiki page so far https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/
[15:26] <Kilos> ai!
[15:29] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[15:29]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[15:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:34] <Kilos> Maaz dankie man
[15:34] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[16:28] <Kilos> placid_bonga https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[16:29] <Kilos> if you dont want to join us we will just struggle along on our own
[16:29] <Kilos> oh my
[16:29] <Kilos> where the fly
[16:30] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly
[16:30] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 5 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes and 31 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-12-29 05:11:28 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-01-02 18:47:49 PST
[16:30] <Kilos> holy smokes
[17:55] <placid_bonga> thank you Kilos - ill definitely check it out
[19:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:14] <smile> bye :)