[00:01] <mup> Bug #1548560 changed: twisted 16 removes deprecated attributes in Request and DummyRequest <MAAS:In Progress by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548560>
[00:04] <mup> Bug #1548560 opened: twisted 16 removes deprecated attributes in Request and DummyRequest <MAAS:In Progress by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548560>
[04:02] <mup> Bug #1548601 opened: Machine attempted to boot on a non-existant image, but it didn't mark as failed <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548601>
[04:05] <mup> Bug #1548601 changed: Machine attempted to boot on a non-existant image, but it didn't mark as failed <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548601>
[04:11] <mup> Bug #1376483 opened:  AttributeError: 'Port' object has no attribute 'socket' <tech-debt> <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1376483>
[04:11] <mup> Bug #1548601 opened: Machine attempted to boot on a non-existant image, but it didn't mark as failed <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548601>
[04:14] <mup> Bug #1376483 changed:  AttributeError: 'Port' object has no attribute 'socket' <tech-debt> <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1376483>
[04:29] <mup> Bug #1376483 opened:  AttributeError: 'Port' object has no attribute 'socket' <tech-debt> <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1376483>
[12:13] <imranh> Can anybody help me? I have a sever with 2 interfaces with MAAS running, eth0 is <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and is our main network, eth1 is <IP_ADDRESS>/24. On MAAS i have eth0 set to unmanaged and it just gets dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces, eth1 is statically assigned in that file and under MAAS it does dhcp and dns. I have 5 servers plugged into the switch that eth1 is also plugged into. I can PXE boot, the server will start doing it's t
[12:14] <imranh> the network info it starts timing out grabbing "'http://<IP_ADDRESS>/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id'"
[12:16] <imranh> I've imported the 14.04 LTS amd64 images in maas
[12:17] <imranh> google leads me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1402861 but that doesn't really help
[12:21] <imranh> Am I better off asking this question elsewhere?
[12:36] <Razva> hi folks! in MAAS, if I go to Subnets, I see two fabrics: one for WAN and one for LAN (which I suppose it's ok). BUT when I go to Nodes and choose Subnets (from the left sidebar) I can see only the LAN IPs. isn't this wrong?
[12:44] <imranh> Fixed my problem, i ran dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-controller and changed the address from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:44] <Razva> imranh do you have any experience with setting MAAS?
[12:45] <imranh> Razva: none, sorry. I came on here tryng to setup my first cluster
[12:45] <Razva> hah, same here :))
[12:45] <Razva> do you see your public IPs in the Nodes -> Subnets (sidebar)?
[12:46] <Razva> because I can see only my LAN IPs, which is...weird
[12:46] <imranh> Razva: I've only just got node enlisting working in my enviroment, before abnout 2 minutes ago i couldn't get anything to enlist
[12:47] <Razva> need a hand?
[12:47] <imranh> Razva: Just got it going, need to go down to the server room to switch the machines on now
[12:48] <Razva> don't. use PXE
[12:48] <Razva> or at least you should :D
[12:52] <imranh> Razva: switch the machines on to pxe boot so they appear in the node list is waht i meant
[13:23] <Razva> oh, ok. from my experience using KVM or iDRAC will be REALLY helpfull. I've installed Ubuntu about 25 times in order to have a fully functional MAAS + Juju + AutoPilot + OpenStack installation.
[13:23] <Razva> here are my hints
[13:24] <Razva> 1) DON'T use RAID. just use plain disks, without any kind of raid
[13:24] <Razva> 2) rename your nics from em1 or eno1 or whatever to eth0 and eth1
[13:24] <Razva> ^^^ https://github.com/Razva/newbadmin/blob/master/device-management/nic-rename.sh
[13:25] <Razva> 3) install BIND Cache on your MAAS server if you want to deploy OpenStack or use any kind of networking stuff, as Juju is VERY bad sometimes at DNS (for reasons I cannot explain!)
[13:27] <imranh> Razva: cheers :)
[13:28] <imranh> I'm just waiting for access to the server room now
[14:09] <haasn> imranh: You don't have IPMI? AMT? Even wake-on-lan?
[14:10] <imranh> haasn: none of it is setup yet, fresh batch of servers
[14:10] <imranh> I don't even know the cpu model in them
[14:12] <imranh> All I know is that each one has: 56 threads, 128GB ram, 2x 320 drives, 2x 10G fiber cards and 1x 1G port
[14:21] <mup> Bug #1548396 changed: 1.9.0 node stuck in broken status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548396>
[14:23] <imranh> woop just got the keys to the server room
[14:23] <imranh> time to go set these servers up
[14:24] <mup> Bug #1548396 opened: 1.9.0 node stuck in broken status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548396>
[14:25] <haasn> imranh: You don't have your workstation located in the server room yet?
[14:30] <mup> Bug #1548396 changed: 1.9.0 node stuck in broken status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548396>
[14:30] <imranh> haasn: If only it was a little bit more quieter
[14:31] <imranh> haasn: Also the temperature difference a few steps can take is unbelieveable
[14:31] <haasn> The noise is so monotonous that it's as good as silence, the upside being that it also drowns out any possible audio distractions
[14:33] <imranh> haasn: :)
[14:45] <haasn> (Such as coworkers furiously yelling at you)
[15:33] <imranh> hmmm maas seems to think my servers are on when they are not...
[15:34] <roaksoax> imranh: wait for a minute or two till maas updates power states
[15:34] <roaksoax> imranh: maas doesn't do second by second power state update
[15:34] <roaksoax> imranh: otherwise your BMC may lock up
[15:35] <imranh> roaksoax: ok :)
[15:35] <haasn> It's funny when you think about it. The handbook for my servers contains an entire section on what to do if the BMC locks itself up (in various ways)
[15:35] <haasn> How are we, in 2016, programming work-arounds for BMCs locking themselves up?
[15:36] <roaksoax> haasn: that's due to the crappy BMC implementations out there!! You'd be surprised how bad sometimes they are :)
[15:36] <haasn> Imagine if Linux had code to throttle its floating point computations on intel processors to avoid locking up the floating point chip
[15:37] <haasn> It's just bizarre. How can these companies be _so_ bad at programming their devices?
[15:37] <haasn> I mean I get that in the case of our servers it's Sun/Oracle writing/maintaining it, and therefore it probably also runs on Java which explains 90% of that crap, but still
[15:37] <roaksoax> haasn: i guess the lack of rigorous testing against all the interfaces out there ?
[15:38] <haasn> roaksoax: But even their built-in web interface can lock itself up. You'd think they'd test at least that?
[15:39] <haasn> It seems like a case of “well, if the user power cycles the machine it fixes itself so let's just ship it with a line of documentation alluding to that”
[15:39] <roaksoax> haasn: i'm sure they do! You'd imagine that these things, being so important, take more attention, but I guess that shipping so many different firwmare version with so many different systems, takes a toll
[15:40] <haasn> (They would probably be more stable if they figured out some way of getting BSD-like microkernel + a small existing httpd to run on them instead of writing their own NIH web server :p)
[15:41] <haasn> Maybe even faster
[15:47] <roaksoax> hehe
[15:53] <imranh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZeUntdObCA a great talk on BMCs
[16:02] <nagyz> roaksoax, is there a way to deploy currently a node with a bond0 interface without any network associated to it, but have VLAN interfaces on different networks?
[16:02] <nagyz> I don't seem to be able to click through this via the UI.
[16:22] <imranh> hmmm the openstack installer is currently telling me i have no machines enlisted with power control
[16:37] <imranh> Nevermind, me being silly
[16:40] <imranh> [ERROR: 02-23 16:20:18, ev.py:130] Exception in ev.run(): Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:40] <imranh> fun
[21:30] <bbaqar1> Hey guys .. Any
[21:30] <bbaqar1> Anyone got this bug recently?
[21:31] <bbaqar1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1520645
[21:32] <bbaqar1> @roaksoak
[21:41] <roaksoax> bbaqar1: not really
[21:42] <roaksoax> bbaqar1: what do you see exactly? VM's failing to enlist ?
[21:42] <bbaqar> Yes.
[21:42] <roaksoax> bbaqar1: do you have console logs to look ato? maas logs (regiond.log, clusterd.log)
[21:42] <bbaqar> Which exact logs would you like to see. I can get them once I get access to the setup again.
[21:43] <roaksoax> bbaqar: 1. console log of the machine trying to enlist 2. regiond.log 3. clusterd.log (the latter 2 around the time you were trying to enlist)
[21:44] <bbaqar> Okay got it. Will check them out.
[21:44] <roaksoax> bbaqar: thanks!
[21:44] <roaksoax> bbaqar: do share1, that will allow to see what may be wrong
[21:46] <bbaqar> Where to get the console.log of the enlisting node?
[21:46] <roaksoax> bbaqar: from the console of your enlisting node :
[21:46] <roaksoax> )
[21:46] <roaksoax> bbaqar: we don't record that info
[21:47] <bbaqar> aah i get it. thats what I was confused about. Will get back to you soon.
[21:47] <bbaqar> thanks.
[21:53] <bbaqar> roaksoax: Connecting a node to two subnets with both managing DHCP and DNS should not be a problem right?
[22:07] <roaksoax> bbaqar: that may indeed be the problem dependending on how dhcp is configuring them
[22:10] <bbaqar> roaksoax: I did disconnect all cables from the node apart from just one but still got the error. Where can I remove all node specific information from in maas? dhcp.leases?
[22:11] <roaksoax> bbaqar: has the node been added to MAAS ?
[22:11] <roaksoax> bbaqar: if the node is not added to MAAS then you don't need to worry about dhcpd.leases
[22:11] <bbaqar> Basically it fails with the following error: "failed to enlist system maas server 'compute.maas'" where compute.maas is the fqdn of a already added node
[22:11] <bbaqar> no it hasnt. the enlistment was never succesful.
[22:12] <roaksoax> bbaqar: interesting! so what's happening is that the enlistment is doing a dig to try to find out the hostname
[22:12] <roaksoax> if theres any
[22:12] <roaksoax> bbaqar: and tries to enlist it
[22:13] <roaksoax> bbaqar: do you have an external dhcp server ?
[22:13] <roaksoax> err
[22:13] <roaksoax> DNS server ?
[22:13] <bbaqar> not a dhcp serve.
[22:13] <bbaqar> i can check if there is dns server running or not.
[22:14] <bbaqar> but why does it get the wrong hostname
[22:14] <bbaqar> i mean right at that time its a baremetal node so doesnt really have a hostname
[22:15] <roaksoax> bbaqar: try this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15183875/ on /etc/maas/preseeds/enlist_userdata
[22:15] <roaksoax> bbaqar: and try to re-enslit. That should fix your issue
[22:18] <bbaqar> Okay cool. so i have to remove those three lines.
[22:18] <bbaqar> Great I ll try it out soon. Thanks a bunch.


[20:46] <oweiler> Hello friendly Mythbuntu people, I have an upgrade question (please forgive any lack of etiquette, it's been a while since I've been in a chat room).  I'm running a really old version of mythbuntu (OS: 11.10, mythtv: 0.24).  While it seems plausible to upgrade to the latest OS (16.10?) using standard ubuntu procedures then updating mythtv using the mythtv updates and mytbuntu updates repositories, it seems like an awfully big ju
[20:46] <oweiler> mp.  Is there a different preferred method for such a large jump?


[06:57] <thauriswulfa>  HELP: Need help to install synaptics-dkms_1.1.0_all.deb in xubuntu to enable multitouch in touchpad.
[07:01] <thauriswulfa> can anybody help me enabling touchpad scrollbars?
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> thauriswulfa: sure
[07:07] <thauriswulfa> what should I do
[07:07] <thauriswulfa> well_laid_lawn:what should I do?
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> add   Option "VertEdgeScroll" "on"
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "on"
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> it's all in   man synaptics
[07:09] <thauriswulfa> but there's no such folder in x11
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> which ubuntu version are you using?
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> s/ubuntu/xubuntu/
[07:09] <thauriswulfa> xubuntu 11.04
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> it is X11 - case matters
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> capital X
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[07:12] <thauriswulfa> well_laid_lawn: yes I am looking in X11 and there's no such folder there
[07:13] <Sysi> create it
[07:14] <Sysi> exept that it's for HAL, not used anymore
[07:14] <Wizard> good morning
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> Sysi: so where do the  X confs go?
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> or is there no choice in the matter
[07:18] <Sysi> hum, or I'm not sure if that was HAL config
[07:18] <Sysi> if it works..
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> I'm not on an ubuntu box atm but here on Archlinux I get from man Xorg    /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d          Server configuration directory.
[13:29] <sandro_> salve
[13:30] <sandro_> ce qualcuno che mi potrebbe dare supporto?
[13:33] <charlie-tca> sandro_: this is an english language channel. However, the Italian channel should be able to help you in your language
[13:33] <charlie-tca> !it
[13:33] <sandro_> thx
[14:39] <iamanente> What should the size of my /boot partition be in Xubuntu 11.04 x86_64?
[15:42] <tethtibis> it's very quiet. :O/
[15:42] <Wizard> ssh
[15:42] <Wizard> don't wake the daemons
[15:43] <tethtibis> XOD
[15:44] <Sysi> my ssh daemon is awake :S
[16:10] <tethtibis> hrmm.
[17:09] <joe__> I'm seeing a huge delay of 7-15 seconds on Thunar when I try to open my home directory off my desktop
[17:09] <joe__> Not quite sure how that is happening
[17:10] <joe__> On Xunbuntu 11.04 on i386
[17:10] <joe__> patched as of today
[17:14] <charlie-tca> That's a bug already filed
[17:15] <charlie-tca> We do not have a good workaround
[17:18] <joe__> Oh, ok.
[17:18] <joe__> Thought it was something I did on accident or something
[17:18] <joe__> I can deal
[17:18] <joe__> Thanks for your help
[17:18] <joe__> =)
[17:19] <Tethtibis> what I've done is:
[17:19] <Tethtibis> actually install nautilus.
[17:19] <Tethtibis> and use that when thunar is being a pain.
[17:19] <Tethtibis> sudo apt-get install nautilus
[17:20] <Tethtibis> and you can either run it from command line, or set it to a keyboard shortcut.
[17:20] <Tethtibis> or, you know... set it to the dock. :OP
[17:20] <joe__> I'm going with the CLI
[17:21] <joe__> lighest option available...
[17:21] <Tethtibis> yeah, then you can sudo it's pants off when need be. :OP
[17:21] <joe__> Cool, thanks!
[17:21] <Tethtibis> Good luck. :O)
[17:21] <joe__> Otherwise, I love xubuntu and can't stand Unity!
[17:23] <superm1> charlie-tca, not sure how you got devices in the u/i in the session, i checked and i still dont have devices
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I have them working both in live sessions, if I pick the third session in the list, and in installed oneiric. The only one not working is this desktop I upgraded at alpha1
[17:25] <charlie-tca> When we boot the images, if we don't choose the third session (xubuntu, xfce, xubuntu), it fails
[17:25] <charlie-tca> I don't understand it, myself
[17:25] <superm1> is the third session the symlink to default perhaps?
[17:25] <superm1> not that it would explain it anymore
[17:26] <charlie-tca> um, no, I think that is the first one, which fails to work right
[17:27] <charlie-tca> it seems if DESKTOP_SESSION=xubuntu , everything works.
[17:27] <charlie-tca> if DESKTOP_SESSION=default, everything fails
[17:27] <superm1> hm, well for us DESKTOP_SESSION=mythbuntu and it fails
[18:26] <ldr> hello, i get some problems with tray icons in xfce, when i reduce the height under 20px or something the cpu load increses sometimes dramaticly and the icons begin to flicker, this bus has been described by some people in xfce forums without workaround, anyway the icons do a lot of easier weird stuff too, for example creating "illusions" of themselves beneath the bar which are mainly garbled rectangles in the size of the icon and so on. Does someone know wher
[18:26] <ldr> e the problem is or at least a way to reduce the strange behaviors making the traybar height 20px+ only reduce them a littl bit
[18:27] <Tethtibis> my best guess would be that it's due to the scaleable icons used have a natural size you're trying to go lower than. have you tried a different icon set, or perhapse make your own that's smaller than 20x20?
[18:27] <Sysi> what if you go to notification area settings and set icon max size to be smaller
[18:54] <Legend28469> Hello?
[18:54] <Wizard> hi?
[18:55] <Legend28469> I need help
[18:55] <Legend28469> Fresh installation of xubuntu 11.04
[18:55] <Legend28469> On boot
[18:55] <Sysi> !help
[18:55] <Legend28469> Lol OK ty
[18:56] <Legend28469> Fresh xubuntu install. First boot ends up in error out of disk and grub rescue prompt
[18:57] <Legend28469> I've reinstalled 3 times btw
[18:58] <charlie-tca> sounds like "just install grub". Where did you download it from?
[18:59] <Wizard> do you have more than one disk?
[18:59] <Sysi> what kind of installation, dual-boot or just xubuntu? do you have a netbook?
[18:59] <charlie-tca> I need to know which mirror it was
[19:07] <Legend28469> I was dual booting .. then I tried singular
[19:07] <Legend28469> I have 2 hdds
[19:08] <Legend28469> Not a netbook
[19:08] <Legend28469> And it was a torrent
[19:10] <Legend28469> Should I have used a regular link instead of the torrent?
[19:11] <Wizard> no, if checksums are correct
[19:12] <Legend28469> Should I run that option that makes sure disc is ok?
[19:13] <Wizard> maybe, but if I was altering the disk I would ensure it won't fail :P
[19:14] <zane> Hi, I am trying to remove some packages using synaptic, but every time I hit apply, an error comes up saying,"could not apply changes! Fix broken packages first." I have already tried multiple times to remove the broken packages, but every time I try an error comes up. Could someone please help me?
[19:15] <Legend28469> So any recommendations, because I really like (X)Ubuntu
[19:15] <Wizard> zane, synaptics has "fix broken packages" option
[19:15] <Wizard> Legend28469, I would try to install grub manually
[19:15] <zane> I know, I have already tried that.
[19:15] <Wizard> zane, hmm
[19:16] <Wizard> I don't use synaptics at all, could you tell me what does apt-get say?
[19:16] <Legend28469> From a live CD right? Is there a link?
[19:16] <Sysi> *synaptic, synaptics is touchpad
[19:16] <Wizard> Legend28469, but I was never into grub things..
[19:16] <zane> Could you tell me the terminal command for that?
[19:16] <Wizard> Sysi, you're right
[19:16] <Wizard> apt-get -f install
[19:16] <charlie-tca> We aren't really X ubuntu, we are Xubuntu
[19:17] <zane> Kay, I'll try that right now.
[19:17] <charlie-tca> !grub | Legend28469
[19:17] <Legend28469> OK
[19:18] <Legend28469> Charlie-tca: I meant to say I like Ubuntu and xubuntu.. depending on system specs
[19:19] <zane> It simply says, "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[19:19] <Wizard> zane, sudo
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Legend28469: I see. So easy to get things wrong when trying to read.
[19:19] <zane> oh, lol
[19:21] <zane> Okay, here's what it says now, "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[19:22] <charlie-tca> and that was using sudo?
[19:22] <zane> Yes
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Give it a few minutes, and try again. Make sure synaptic Package Manager and software center and update-mamager are closed
[19:22] <Legend28469> I'm going to use a boot repair tool as a first attempt
[19:24] <zane> Okay, I tried it again and it says, "Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree       Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded."
[19:24] <Wizard> so..
[19:24] <zane> Does that mean I should try removing the packages again?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Now you should be able to remove those packages, yes.
[19:27] <zane> I got the "Could not apply changes!Fix broken packages first." Error again.
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Then you should try in terminal using sudo apt-get remove packagename
[19:29] <charlie-tca> replace packagename with the actual name of the package as shown in synaptic package manager
[19:29] <charlie-tca> It might give a better message
[19:31] <zane> how do I know what the broken packages are?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't tell you in terminal, try sudo apt-get install -f which will force it to complet the install of the broken package
[19:34] <Legend28469> I still have the out of disk and grub rescue issue after running a boot repair tool
[19:34] <zane> it looks like it worked...
[19:37] <zane> I got the error in synaptic again
[19:42] <charlie-tca> file a bug against synaptic then. It must be something wrong with it
[19:43] <zane> Well, there is one more thing. Synaptic still says that there are 2 broken packages.
[19:46] <charlie-tca> but terminal let you remove the packages?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> and when you run sudo apt-get update, you don't get any errors?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> synaptic is broken
[19:47] <charlie-tca> try the refresh button in synaptic, see if it fixes itself
[19:47] <charlie-tca> refresh or reload?
[19:49] <zane> that gives me the error message of , "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[19:49] <zane> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[19:49] <zane> E: Unable to correct dependencies
[19:49] <zane> E: Unable to lock the list directory"
[19:50] <charlie-tca> so, you have packages not yet upgraded
[19:57] <zane> Thanks for your help! I don't know what happened, but after restarting synaptic, it's working fine.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Glad you got it working
[20:32] <Mandrew> hi is there a big difference between thunar and pcmanfm in the use of resources?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Never used pcmanfm
[20:35] <Mandrew> ok
[20:37] <charlie-tca> we don't have any comparisons for file managers, either.
[20:37] <Mandrew> i did a search on synaptic with the phrase "lightweight" and then pcmanfm came up
[20:37] <Mandrew> ok
[20:38] <Mandrew> i think it looks rather nice with the original xubuntu theme, and one get the tab funktion too
[20:38] <Mandrew> function
[20:39] <Sysi> pcmanfm is ment to be light, possibly it uses a bit less ram than thunar
[20:39] <charlie-tca> looks like pcmanfm is probably smaller
[20:39] <charlie-tca> what about functions?
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Are they the same?
[20:40] <Mandrew> with just a glimpse there is more functions on pcmanfm than on thunar, but you guys probably have a really good reason on choosing thunar over pcmanfm
[20:40] <Sysi> thunar is part of xfce
[20:41] <Mandrew> no it look like pcmanfm have more charlie-tca
[20:41] <Sysi> like what?
[20:41] <Mandrew> ill post a dump
[20:42] <Mandrew> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08022011-104217pm.php
[20:43] <Mandrew> on pcmanfm that is on the right side there is 7 menu options and it have some more stuff under the go menu too
[20:43] <Mandrew> on thunar there is "just" 5 menu options
[20:44] <Mandrew> but well if i press the go menu on thunar is has a lot more than pcmanfm
[20:45] <Mandrew> but i think compeering them this way might not be fare, im just a newbie and i think im not approaching this the right way
[20:46] <charlie-tca> I don't number of menu entries counts much.
[20:46] <charlie-tca> I can create any menu with dozens of entries, but that doesn't really show differences in function
[20:47] <Mandrew> thats what im thinking, im not comparing it in the right way
[20:48] <Mandrew> to be honest i dont even know where to start off with the comparing to get it straight
[20:48] <charlie-tca> yes, I personally use thunar detailed view a lot
[20:48] <charlie-tca> It shows me file name, size, owner, group, permissions, all at a glance
[20:49] <Mandrew> where do you find that view?
[20:49] <Wizard> and (iirc) it can be customized \o/
[20:49] <charlie-tca> click view, detailed view
[20:49] <charlie-tca> view as detailed list
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Then go to view, configure columns and turn on the ones you want
[20:50] <Wizard> good night all ;)
[20:51] <Mandrew> good night Wizard
[20:51] <charlie-tca> It also has the ability to rename all selected files at once, select files by pattern, copy files to the same or different folders
[20:52] <charlie-tca> create new files or folders, and great customization
[20:52] <Sysi> I like the navigation buttons in pcmanfm, but I really like thunars single click functionality
[20:52] <charlie-tca> I don't know if pcmanfm has all of that
[20:52] <Mandrew> i have no clue
[20:54] <Mandrew> but it sure would be interesting to get a benchmark on the file managers and a detailed list of functions, so it would be possible to compare things
[20:54] <Mandrew> with all FMs i was thinking
[20:55] <Mandrew> it would be easier to build a lightweight system if one had that
[20:57] <Sysi> http://www.google.fi/search?q=thunar+vs.+pcmanfm
[20:57] <charlie-tca> You could start the comparison page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications
[20:57] <Sysi> about five first results
[20:58] <Mandrew> so there is a page like that already lol
[20:58] <Mandrew> that is really cool
[20:59] <Sysi> you could collect some comparison to ubuntu wiki
[21:00] <Mandrew> well i dont think im the right guy for it though, im just not experienced enough for putting things like that together
[21:01] <Mandrew> im a newbie with linux but en expert distro jumper ;)
[21:04] <Mandrew> dont what do mess things up and posting wrong and faulty info. it would just not be right for ppl looking for proper info
[21:53] <c4wrc> installing xubuntu on my livingroom pc...