[21:13] <pleia2> PaulW2U: nice work (as usual :))
[21:14] <PaulW2U> looks like another busy week
[21:14] <pleia2> I'm wrapping up my trip to Paris, so night time for me now, will finish going through the newsletter and get it off to summary writers within the hour
[21:14] <pleia2> yeah, I did manage to get a new volunteer this week, who used to work on Suse newsletter
[21:14] <PaulW2U> great
[21:15]  * pleia2 fingers crossed that he jumps right in on summaries
[21:15]  * PaulW2U thinks just a few will do
[21:56] <pleia2> ok, sent off to summary writers, now I'm going to bed :)
[22:07] <jose> pleia2: laters! I'll pitch in as soon as I've got a bit of time


[00:23] <basso> just inactivity mate
[00:45] <fmf> hi everyone
[00:46] <fmf> i am searching volwheel or obmixer for ubuntu
[08:16] <red__> mornin'
[08:17] <Unit193> Still night for me
[14:32] <leszek> hi
[14:58] <red_> yo, leszek
[16:19] <tuhin> hi all
[16:19] <tuhin> how much ram lubuntu uses right after boot?
[16:20] <head_victim> tuhin: good questions, not much is my response but I'll go see if I can find something more concrete
[16:21] <tuhin> in Mint10 Gnome it takes abt 280MB after boot, i am looking for a lighter os which can work with 128/192 MB ram old pcs
[16:21] <head_victim> I think it really dpeneds on what installation method you use, there is the normal one, the alternate one and the minimal one. If you use the minimal one then you're going to get a much smaller footprint than with the other 2.
[16:21] <jmarsden> tuhin: I think around 185MB on a P4 machine I looked at that on.
[16:21] <tuhin> hmm that sounds good
[16:21] <head_victim> tuhin: I would look into https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall for you
[16:22] <head_victim> It sounds like the best way to achieve a really small memory footprint
[16:22] <tuhin> does it have GUI or only terminal
[16:23] <head_victim> That will use a text based installer yo give you a GUI environment when it's installed.
[16:23] <tuhin> if i try that minimal install*
[16:23] <tuhin> ok , anyone installed that way and can report the ram usage?
[16:25] <head_victim> It sohuld be much less than 280MB, I'm using 420 MB and I have xchat, skype, amsn, multiple chromium windows and some other stuff running.
[16:26] <red_> how to tell wheter opengl is working in lubuntu?
[16:27] <tuhin> head_victim , u mean the hdd install size is 420MB with those programs installed?? how much ram usage?
[16:27] <head_victim> tuhin: that's the ram usage
[16:28] <head_victim> With all those programs running
[16:28] <tuhin> and the 280 MB ???
[16:28] <head_victim> I have less than 4gb on my /
[16:28] <craigbass1976> How do I shut off system sounds?  I can't find it anywhere.
[16:28] <tuhin> there is no mute?
[16:29] <head_victim> craigbass1976: Menu > Customise Look & Feel > Other and there are tickboxes for system sounds
[16:29] <tuhin> head_victim, how much ram usage right after boot?
[16:29] <head_victim> tuhin: I can't say mate, I haven't rebooted this pc in weeks
[16:30] <tuhin> hmm Lubuntu sounds rock solid stable
[16:30] <craigbass1976> tuhin, well, I'll want to listed to streaming audio, I just don't care to hear that ubuntu drum whenever something important is going on.
[16:30] <craigbass1976> head_victim, I dont' see sucha  choice in my menu
[16:30] <head_victim> craigbass1976: Ah crap I missed one, my bad.
[16:30] <head_victim> craigbass1976: Menu > Preferences > Customise Look & Feel > Other and there are tickboxes for system sounds
[16:31] <craigbass1976> head_victim, I don't see the customize look and feel there either.  I'm on 10.04, does that matter?
[16:31] <head_victim> Shouldn't
[16:32] <head_victim> red_: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/56826
[16:33] <head_victim> craigbass1976: hmm I don't have a 10.04 to test on sorry, this is only 10.10 :/
[16:33] <head_victim> Should be one of the last menu entries.
[16:38] <craigbass1976> head_victim, http://thebestcabinetsite.com/screenshot.png
[16:39] <head_victim> Hmm your "appearance" has the same icon as my "customise look and fee" so it may be there?
[16:40] <craigbass1976> head_victim, is there a text file in /home/me somewhere?
[16:41] <head_victim> craigbass1976: I'm sorry mate I'm not that advanced. https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop has all the mailing list details I'm sure someone on there would be able to give you a response reasonably quickly
[16:42] <craigbass1976> I'll keep annoying my boss for now.  mwahahaha...
[16:46] <tuhin> head_victim ,which lubuntu version u using?
[16:46] <head_victim> 10.10
[16:47] <head_victim> craigbass1976: no worries mate :)
[16:47] <tuhin> which is the lightest ubuntu based distro? i want to use the ubuntu repository coz its rich, but want to use in 128/192 MB ram pc
[16:48] <wolfpack> tuhin: go for lubuntu
[16:48] <head_victim> tuhin: I'd really recommend Lubuntu and install it via the minimal install link I posted earlier. All the other versions are too heavy for that much ram or are not updated regularly enough.
[16:49] <tuhin> hmm thanks for advice, i noting the link
[16:49] <tuhin> so lubuntu will work fine in 128MB RAM pcs
[16:50] <head_victim> As long as you aren't going to try and open 200 websites and run 30 games, etc, etc it will function as well as a computer with 128MB ram can function.
[16:51] <head_victim> I see Lubuntu as a good balance between the usability of Ubuntu and the lightness of LXDE. There are other lighter linux distro's out there but they aren't as user friendly in my experience.
[16:51] <tuhin> thanks , thats the answer i was looking for
[16:52] <tuhin> lubunut can be "Installed" (not live usb) in USB ?
[16:52] <head_victim> it can do both
[16:52] <tuhin> ok
[16:54] <head_victim> Well it's 3am here so I'm off to get some shut eye. If you have further questions hopefully someone else is around if not try the mailing list at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[16:55] <wolfpack> head_victim: have a good sleep. I will be here to help him :)
[16:55] <head_victim> Thanks wolfpack, cheerio
[16:55] <tuhin> have a sound sleep Head_victim
[16:56] <wolfpack> hey tuhin , you can take help of TAB while typing name.
[16:57] <tuhin> thanks wolfpack
[16:57] <tuhin> lubuntu becoming official canonical distro?
[17:00] <wolfpack> Soon it will become official part of ubuntu
[17:06] <red_> really?
[17:06] <red_> is that a good thing?
[17:08] <jmarsden> red_: YES!   It will mean we can use Ubuntu build servers and other infrastructure, for one thing (that affects me)...
[17:08] <jmarsden> It also will mean increased visibility and publicity for Lubuntu
[17:09] <jmarsden> But I need to go to work, so I can't discuss this any more right now :)
[19:40] <silverarrow> hi
[19:46] <red_> hello all
[19:50] <wolfpack> hi red_  , silverarrow
[19:50] <silverarrow> hi
[19:51] <silverarrow> I am struggelig with installing opera, and opted for firefox in stead, at least it is in package manager
[19:54] <red_> i have opera 11.01
[19:54] <red_> running ok
[19:54] <red_> with flash and java
[21:28] <bravo033> hello
[21:28] <red_> hej
[21:28] <mark76> Yes there are people here
[21:28] <red_> its a party, allrite
[21:29] <mark76> But they might be distracted
[21:29] <bravo033> when i apply updates and a update requires for me to reboot, the restart option on the update menu doesn't work.
[21:30] <bravo033> also, will there be an option to lock your computer under the logout menu?
[21:32] <mark76> No idea. Sorry
[22:03] <Camci> Hello, Do I just burn the iso to a CD to try as Live-CD?
[22:07] <mark76> yES
[22:07] <mark76> Yes
[22:07] <mark76> That's why it's called a "live" CD
[22:10] <Camci> ok
[22:10] <Camci> will be trying out this linux thing for the first time
[22:10] <Camci> :p
[22:11] <Camci> I have one question, will by KVM switch still work between windows 7 and lubuntu?
[22:12] <Camci> my*


[15:52] <jontyms2> How do I share network via ethernet? I have 2 ports eno1 and eno2. eno1 is connected to the rest of the network. Also complicating matters I have a bridge network br0 for the VMS I am running


[04:32] <raubvogel> Can anyone explain me the deal with <IP_ADDRESS>? How is it used? Must I have the hostname for a machine suing dhcp associated with that IP always?
[04:37] <philipballew> raubvogel, i am not sure
[04:38] <philipballew> but you could try #ubuntu-server as well
[04:38] <philipballew> or #ubuntu
[06:22] <Chacious> does anyone know of an "app" in ubuntu, not another distro that is a good media center?
[06:22] <Chacious> everything im finding is another distorbution
[06:24] <mysteriousdarren> just install the media center for ubuntu, what exactly are you looking for? VLC works awesome
[06:25] <Chacious> "the" media center for ubuntu?
[06:25] <Chacious> ill have a look but didnt see anything in software center
[06:26] <Chacious> basically looking to stream stuff over the network from linux to windows
[06:26] <Chacious> was debating on jus doing a winamp local shoutcast but not sure how well that would do videos
[06:27] <mysteriousdarren> I have used VLC for streaming alot works awesome
[06:27] <Chacious> from linux to windows as well?
[06:27] <Chacious> sweet
[06:27] <mysteriousdarren> google it, ya works cross platform
[06:28] <Chacious> i wanna have my external hd hooked to my linux box coz it's my always on boinc server
[06:29] <mysteriousdarren> nice
[06:29] <Chacious> if i install it through terminal "vlc" will it give me the gui version as well?
[06:29] <philipballew> yes
[06:29] <mysteriousdarren> yes
[06:29] <Chacious> i have putty on my windows machine so i dont have to run to my old laptop every time i want to do something on linux
[06:29] <Chacious> k thx
[06:30] <Chacious> and my new laptop i take with me when i go places for longer than a couple hours so I can putty home and check stuff
[06:30] <Chacious> so i dont like to have my external hd hooked to it installing thanx
[06:31] <Chacious> gotta install a remote desktop app so i dont have to run to my linux box  at all hehe
[06:31] <mysteriousdarren> ya i have one on my touchpad so I can just not get off the couch
[06:31] <Chacious> had vnc4server running at one time, but had issues getting it to create a virtual deskto pfor it rather than using physical one and turning monitor on
[06:31] <Chacious> very handy :)
[06:32] <Chacious> I was going to dual boot xp/ubuntu if my new laptop came with vista lol
[06:32] <Chacious> going to college so i do need some semblance of windows
[06:35] <Chacious> i have boinc "always on" on that laptop so im going to see how the performance is :)
[06:36] <mysteriousdarren> boinc...I need to get back into that
[06:37] <Chacious> i have both my laptops always on right now going to set my newer one to run for 5 hours than sleep since older one is always on
[06:37] <Chacious> save lil energy
[06:39] <mysteriousdarren> decent specs? I had 4 laptops and 5 desktops, but the heat uff da
[06:39] <Chacious> sweet!
[06:41] <Chacious> my old laptop is a crappy in tel 1.3 ghz 1.25 gb ram inspiron 1200 running ubuntu my newer one is an amd dual core laptop
[06:41] <mysteriousdarren> ya I am about ready to get two quad cores and maybe see how that runs
[06:41] <Chacious> mmmm
[06:41] <Chacious> i was going to buy an amd phenom 2 x4 a while back but instead of buying the chip i stupidly bought an android phone
[06:42] <Chacious> kick myself every day for that
[06:42] <mysteriousdarren> it gets too hot though sometimes, not the heat of just one or two but all of them are a lil much
[06:43] <Chacious> o
[06:43] <Chacious> no need for a heater than :)
[06:46] <mysteriousdarren> ya feels like a blowtorch
[06:47] <Chacious> o wow
[06:48] <mysteriousdarren> ya get the idea
[06:49] <mysteriousdarren> use lubuntu too for your laptop
[06:49] <mysteriousdarren> makes it fly!
[11:38] <mike1987> Hello, im fairly new to Ubuntu, ive been using for maybe a year on my desktop, recently installed it on my SFF pc thats plugged into my 60" 600hz plasma TV, only thing is my refresh for 1920x1080 is stuck at 60hz and looks god awful, ive look online at a Askubuntu question for 11.10 followed the xrandr commands but still no joy, is there a gui way of doing this on 11.10?
[11:39] <Snicksie> maybe its a graphical card driver problem mike1987, did you install those drivers? If not, it means you work on the standard drivers, which will work, but will let you do less than might be possible with your card
[12:13] <CrazyThinker> Is there any way to hide the edges of apps in ubuntu launcher
[12:25] <duanedesign> hello CrazyThinker
[12:26] <duanedesign> CrazyThinker: not sure i understand
[12:35] <CrazyThinker> duanedesign, I've installed Compiz config
[12:37] <CrazyThinker> duanedesign, Did you get my messages?
[17:01] <ToeTag> is anyone available to help talk me through using netbootin to run a 'live cd' (via usb stick) of lubuntu?
[17:01] <ToeTag> i've booted from the usb and have a menu, but only see options for 'install'-type stuff, nothing about 'try without....' etc
[17:05] <stlsaint> ToeTag: is there a "Default" option?
[20:05] <agemyth> hello!
[20:19] <inference> how do i format a separate hard disk from the command line? im not sure how to designate which to format
[20:20] <geirha> First off, run    sudo fdisk -l   to list all harddrives and their partitions.
[20:21] <inference> so the one i want is /dev/sda
[20:22] <geirha> You best be sure :)
[20:23] <geirha> If that's the one, you run   sudo fidk /dev/sda   to partition it.
[20:24] <geirha> err, not fidk, fdisk
[20:24] <geirha> weird typo
[20:24] <inference> http://pastebin.com/CstvuPcs
[20:24] <inference> i want the one with 2 tb
[20:26] <geirha> Hm. GPT, never had any experience with that partition table.
[20:27] <geirha> fdisk will probably allow you to overwrite it with an msdos partition table, which your other two disks are using.
[20:32] <inference> its all gibberish to me :(
[20:32] <inference> gpt?
[20:32] <inference> one of my disks should be using the linux file system
[20:32] <inference> and i have another 1tb and another 2tb drive
[20:34] <geirha> Hm? According to your pastebin you have one 2TB drive and two 1TB drives
[20:36] <inference> yeah
[20:36] <inference> one of those 1tb should be in a l;inux file system
[20:37] <geirha> /dev/sdc has a linux partition and a swap partition. A typical "Ubuntu installer use whole disk" setup
[20:39] <geirha> /dev/sdb has a windows partition, probably NTFS with a Windows install
[22:18] <inference> should i use a particular file system for large drives
[22:41] <mysteriousdarren> what are you gonna use it for?
[22:49] <inference> archiving torrents mysteriousdarren
[22:51] <mysteriousdarren> used with linux or windows or both?
[22:51] <mysteriousdarren> used with raid?
[22:53] <inference> linux, alone
[23:05] <mysteriousdarren> ext4 is what I use, some admins like ext2 or 3 for speed. Depends on archiving, and how much fallback is needed.
[23:09] <inference> it seems after formatting that i cant access it...
[23:09] <inference> any idea why?
[23:09] <mysteriousdarren> ext3 is stable and ext4 is fast take your pick
[23:09] <inference> i mount it and the only folder in there is 'lost+found' and i cant add any data
[23:09] <mysteriousdarren> formatting? what did you do?
[23:09] <mysteriousdarren> permissions?
[23:09] <inference> i created a partition and formatted it
[23:10] <mysteriousdarren> on a hd? internal?
[23:10] <inference> yes
[23:10] <mysteriousdarren> set permissions for yourself as owner
[23:10] <inference> er
[23:10] <inference> how does one go about that
[23:11] <mysteriousdarren> I'm looking for a link
[23:11] <geirha> sudo chown "$USER:" /the/mount/point
[23:12] <geirha> $USER will expand to the username you logged in with
[23:13] <inference> automatically or i need to replace it?
[23:13] <inference> is the mount point /media/ or dev/sda1
[23:14] <mysteriousdarren> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112550
[23:14] <mysteriousdarren> this will take care of it all
[23:15] <inference> fantastic, thanks
[23:16] <mysteriousdarren> your welcome


[00:25] <Woodenshoe> Hello there can somebody maybe shine some light on why I can not sync my bookmarks.  I can sync files, tomboy notes and evolution contacts, but no bookmarks.  I get most of the time the following lines:  File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/couchdb/client.py", line 1029, in _request
[00:25] <Woodenshoe>     raise ResourceNotFound(error)
[00:26] <karni> we need to get those bots talking one day hehe
[00:26] <karni> Woodenshoe: it's late Sundays night, dev's are offline. please try tomorrow
[00:26] <karni> Woodenshoe: :)
[00:27] <karni> Woodenshoe: I'd help, but i'm not couchdb/bookmarks guy
[00:27] <Woodenshoe> Karni,  Thanks I am probably in another time zone as the devs.  You know what time zone they are in?
[00:28] <karni> Woodenshoe: Argientina and UK mostly
[00:28] <karni> *Argentina
[00:29] <Woodenshoe> Argentina should be OK as I am in Eastern Canada.  But I will try tomorrow morning with the devs in the UK.  Thanks again.
[00:29] <karni> Woodenshoe: ok, good luck. you're welcome. bye!
[00:36] <Woodenshoe> join #ubuntuone
[12:09] <duanedesign> good morning
[12:09] <nessita> hi duanedesign
[12:10] <duanedesign> nessita: i had a very lazy weekend, it was nice. Was you weekend good?
[12:11] <nessita> duanedesign: it was very good, I took a mini holiday and enjoyed it a lot
[12:11] <duanedesign> excellent
[12:57] <lalejand> Hi, does someone know what I can do about that : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/682510
[12:57] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682510 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "CouchDB adressbook in evo doesn't work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:03] <duanedesign> hello lalejand
[13:05] <lalejand> duanedesign : hi, it's a new error I got
[13:07] <psypher246> facundobatista: hi are you here?
[13:07] <duanedesign> lalejand: you are running Maverick 10.10?
[13:08] <lalejand> duanedesign : yes
[13:10] <alecu> hi all!
[13:10] <duanedesign> hello alecu
[13:13] <duanedesign> rye: ping
[13:14] <rye> duanedesign, rye-pong
[13:15] <duanedesign> rye: hello. Hope you had a nice weekend
[13:15] <duanedesign> rye: you seen this one before? bug682510
[13:15] <duanedesign> hmmm,  bug  682510
[13:15] <rye> duanedesign, RabbitMQ all the way, suddenly everything looks like nails (messages) when i have such kind of hammer (RabbitMQ) :)
[13:15] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682510 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "CouchDB adressbook in evo doesn't work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682510
[13:16] <rye> duanedesign, by seen i mean that yes, i saw that but could not reproduce
[13:26] <facundobatista> psypher246, hola!
[13:27] <psypher246> facundobatista: hello!
[13:27] <psypher246> facundobatista: did some more tests, issue still persists (673368), seems the syncdaemon doesn't even start up on boot
[13:28] <facundobatista> psypher246, Chipaca` told us the other day that there's another bug regarding syncdaemon startup and reconnect
[13:29] <psypher246> ok, so maybe related
[13:32] <psypher246> do u know the bug number?
[13:43] <nessita> facundobatista: for the record, the bug is bug #651237
[13:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 651237 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "ubuntuone-launch fails to start syncdaemon if dbus call times out (affects: 3) (heat: 70)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651237
[13:43] <rye> nessita, btw, I also experienced sudden syncdaemon death today during metadata loading
[13:44] <nessita> rye: yeah, I can confirm it on both my machines
[13:44] <nessita> rye: would you be available to do the verification for bug #651237 so the fix goes to maverick?
[13:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 651237 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "ubuntuone-launch fails to start syncdaemon if dbus call times out (affects: 3) (heat: 70)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651237
[13:44] <nessita> right now is on proposed
[13:45] <nessita> until someone verifies it
[13:46] <rye> nessita, ah, em, well, in my case verification is just saying "It is always working unless syncdaemon dies suddenly during startup", right?
[13:46] <nessita> rye: hum, I think we're talking about different issues?
[13:46] <rye> nessita, yup, the launcher "fix" was introduced by me and I've been happily using it for quite a while
[13:46] <nessita> rye: my metadata load death has nothing to do with ubunutone-launch
[13:47] <nessita> rye: in this case, we should have a clean maverick and enable proposed, and then test
[14:00] <nessita> me
[14:00] <vds> me
[14:00] <nessita> alecu-sprint, mandel, thisfred, Chipaca`: stand up?
[14:00] <thisfred> me
[14:01] <CardinalFang> I'm in, for today.
[14:01] <CardinalFang> me
[14:01] <nessita> CardinalFang: ok :-)
[14:01] <dobey> me
[14:01] <nessita> alecu-sprint, mandel?
[14:02] <nessita> ah, mandel is also on sprint
[14:02] <nessita> ok, let's go
[14:02] <nessita> DONE: some awesome holidays! the day before that: restarted begging for sponsorship for u1cp package since new u1client package landed in natty. Some interesting discussion with alecu and chicharra guys regarding zg events vs. syncdaemon events. Weekly meeting. Tried to release a new version of ussoc but got bitten by bug #682669.
[14:02] <nessita> TODO: propose a fix for bug #682669 and repackage ussoc. Restart work on u1cp folders tab (bug #674455).
[14:02] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[14:02] <nessita> NEXT: vds
[14:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682669 in ubuntu-sso-client "GTK ui window size can't be calculated correctly when login_only (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682669
[14:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 674455 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Add "Folders" tab to UI (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674455
[14:02] <vds> DONE: finished migration to _trash and to new python-couchdb
[14:02] <vds> TODO: web-mobile stuff
[14:02] <vds> BLOCKED: not at all
[14:02] <vds> thisfred: please
[14:02] <thisfred> DONE: Paired with vds on Bug 675551 and Bug 670700 TODO: help with packaging couchdb if necessary / start on bindwood BLOCKED: no
[14:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 675551 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Port desktopcouch to the most update version of python-couchdb (affects: 1) (heat: 237)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675551
[14:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 670700 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Migration from old style delete to new style delete ("trash") (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670700
[14:02] <thisfred> CardinalFang: your eminence!
[14:03] <nessita> I forgot to put in my TODO: read gazillions of emails and bug reports
[14:03] <CardinalFang> DONE: Released a source tarball for desktopcouch.  Failed to make Ubuntu package
[14:03] <CardinalFang> , and not sure source tarball is right.
[14:03] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: Deciding whether vds' python-couchdb branch is right.  Tarmac landing of remainders.  Package split needs advice from thisfred.
[14:03] <thisfred> ubot is full of it, those are High, and Fix Committed/In Progress
[14:04] <dobey> λ DONE: holidays
[14:04] <dobey> λ TODO: nightlies, banshee store tests, more releases, start lucid backports
[14:04] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:04] <nessita> thisfred: he's probably reporting source package status
[14:04] <nessita> thisfred: which is the one that counts for roadmap
[14:05] <nessita> any closing comments?
[14:05] <dobey> yes it says "(Ubuntu)" there
[14:05] <nessita> dobey: right
[14:05] <thisfred> nessita: yep, I just realized that :)
[14:05] <nessita> eom crowd?
[14:06] <vds> CardinalFang: can I be of any help?
[14:06] <nessita> eom it is
[14:06] <thisfred> nessita: how should we mark those? Fix committed in desktopcouch == In progress on the source package?
[14:07] <CardinalFang> vds, Yes.  #desktopcouch?
[14:07] <vds> CardinalFang: sure
[14:07] <nessita> thisfred: yes
[14:07] <thisfred> nessita: kthx
[14:08] <nessita> kyw
[14:14] <thisfred> kfine ;)
[14:16] <nessita> :-)
[14:17] <mandel> nessita, yes, sprint, sorry :P
[15:04] <Woodenshoe> Hello there is there someone who can help me with syncing bookmarks.  Files, Tomboy notes and Evolution contacts all sync but bookmarks no luck.
[15:24] <nessita> Woodenshoe: hi there
[15:24] <nessita> Woodenshoe: what system are you running?
[15:25] <Woodenshoe> I am running 10.10 on both systems
[15:28] <nessita> Woodenshoe: i'm not complete sure about the status of bookmark sync as per today, I do know we have some scheduled work to make that awesome this cycle
[15:28] <nessita> Woodenshoe: let me confirm
[15:28] <nessita> thisfred: ping
[15:28] <thisfred> nessita: pong
[15:28] <nessita> thisfred: would you know the current status of bookmark synch?
[15:29] <thisfred> yep, we are going to start work on that this week
[15:29] <nessita> thisfred: but, is it working right noe?
[15:29] <nessita> now*
[15:30] <thisfred> nessita: somewhat. It's suffering from two issues that I know of: 1. the haproxy limited couchdb replication that all of desktopcouch suffers from 2. It's not very good at detecting duplicates
[15:31] <nessita> thisfred: would you be able to help Woodenshoe debug why is not working for him?
[15:31] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: so, what does or does not work?
[15:32] <Woodenshoe> Thisfres.  Tomboy, file syncing and evolution are working.  It is the bookmarks that give me problems
[15:32] <thisfred> urbanape can you keep an eye on this discussion to make sure I'm not telling lies, and to step in with helpful suggestions where necessary?
[15:33]  * thisfred is a bindwoodsman in training
[15:33] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: yes, so what does that problem consist of?
[15:34] <Woodenshoe> I get an error message that there is a problem in one of the Python files.  Have patient and I will get th eline out of the log file and paste it in.
[15:34] <urbanape> The biggest problem is that it doesn't handle conflicts cleanly.
[15:35] <urbanape> The upside is that if you start bindwood sync on two separate machines before a desktop couch replication has completed, it'll appear as if nothing has synced, because each client will have a conflicted copy of the other machine's content.
[15:35] <Woodenshoe> thisfred, here is the line in the log file "File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/couchdb/client.py", line 1035, in _request"
[15:36] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: can you go to paste.ubuntu.com, and paste the whole tracebacn that line is in, then paste the url here?
[15:36] <thisfred> traceback
[15:36] <thisfred> Woodenshoe:  make sure it does not contain personal information first
[15:36] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: but I think it won't
[15:37] <Woodenshoe> OK.  paste.ubuntu.com is a web site??
[15:37] <thisfred> yep
[15:38] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: sorrt
[15:38] <thisfred> sorry
[15:38] <thisfred> pastebin.ubuntu.com
[15:38] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: ^
[15:38] <thisfred> oh, paste redirects there I see. CLever :)
[15:41] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: I justed pasted it to pastebin.ubuntu.com
[15:41] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: good, now can you give me the url that results in?
[15:42] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/537947/
[15:44] <thisfred> CardinalFang: can you look at ^ that looks weird. all the dbus.String's in there, those shouldn't be there right?
[15:46] <alecu-sprint> thisfred, don't worry about dbus.Strings, they map cleanly into python str's
[15:46] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: I have to leave for a moment.  I will be back in 10 minutes
[15:46] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: ok
[15:47] <thisfred> alecu-sprint: well, they don't in the logs, so I wonder if they do in json.dumps
[15:47] <thisfred> alecu-sprint: ServerError: (500, ('json_encode', '{bad_term,<0.16297.2>}')) suggests not
[15:50] <alecu-sprint> thisfred, I just tried that, and it seems to work:
[15:51] <alecu-sprint> >>> json.dumps(dbus.String("abc")) == json.dumps("abc")
[15:51] <alecu-sprint> True
[15:51] <CardinalFang> thisfred, nessita's desktopcouch patch did that.  It doesn't have any bad side effects.
[15:51] <CardinalFang> thisfred, log is ugly, is all.
[15:51] <thisfred> alecu-sprint: ok, so then maybe it's not that, and there's a corrupted record in there
[15:52] <thisfred> CardinalFang: It does seem to say the replication record *itself* does not encode to json though
[15:52] <CardinalFang> Hrm.  Could be.
[15:53] <thisfred> alecu-sprint: I wonder if it works differently for dictionary keys or something. /me tries
[15:53] <thisfred> and/or differently across simplejson/the other one
[15:55] <thisfred> hmm, no, both seem to work just fune
[15:55] <thisfred> fine
[15:55] <nessita> thisfred: dbus strings behave just like strings
[15:56] <nessita> CardinalFang: what did I do? :-)
[15:57] <thisfred> nessita: yeah, no, false alarm, that seems to work fine
[15:57] <CardinalFang> nessita, Polling dbus gets back a structure that is dicionary-like, but not a dict.  thisfred thought it was a problem trying to encode it to JSON.
[15:57] <nessita> ah
[16:03] <thisfred> So I think the problem is a corrupted bookmark document in couchdb then, which is problematic.
[16:03] <CardinalFang> thisfred, I think the couchdb saying  ('json_encode', '{bad_term,<0.16297.2>}')  is not a problem with it DEcoding the JSON that it receives from desktopcouch, but rather from it encoding the data for sending to the remote couchdb or in encoding the result it should give back to desktopcouch.
[16:03] <thisfred> That may be a bug in bindwood. I wish couchdb would just refuse to store malformed documents.
[16:04] <thisfred> CardinalFang: yeah, since it's a server error. Just figured that out
[16:05] <CardinalFang> thisfred, perhaps getting the log of couchdb would help.
[16:05] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: I am back
[16:05] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: hi.
[16:06] <CardinalFang> Woodenshoe, hi.  That log file is from the library, and it said that the internal database reported an error.  Now we need that database's log file, since that has a better chance of telling us what the problem actually is.
[16:06] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: we now think that probably a document in your bookmarks database is corrupted, though it's hard to tell which one or in what way from the information we have.
[16:07] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: So what is it that you need to have a look at.
[16:07] <CardinalFang> Woodenshoe, so, I think we need a good portion of  ".cache/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.log.1".  It has secrets in it, so sending via email would probably be best.
[16:08] <Woodenshoe> OK I have a look at that file.  Be back soon with an answer
[16:10] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: if you can isolate the error in it that would be great.
[16:13] <CardinalFang> thisfred, are we taking bets?  I wager the bookmark app isn't decoding local-charset to Unicode and then encoding to UTF-8 when inserting to the DB.
[16:13] <nessita> guys, can I have a couple of reviews for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/resize-so-password-can-be-changed/+merge/42135 ?
[16:13] <Woodenshoe> Thisfred: I will look for that piece of informtion and copy it out.
[16:13] <thisfred> CardinalFang:  It would not surprise me. Though we've also seen null values as dict keys before
[16:14] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: awesome
[16:15] <thisfred> CardinalFang: it makes me less eager to start developing on bindwood. At least in python I know how unicode works now.
[16:17] <beuno> urbanape, did you know thisfred was going to be hacking on bindwood?
[16:17] <urbanape> I did
[16:18] <urbanape> we've already spoke about me being a reference
[16:18] <beuno> \o/
[16:18] <thisfred> Do you think they'll check my references?
[16:19]  * beuno checks the reference
[16:27] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: where are we going with this file
[16:28] <thisfred> Woodenshoe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want
[16:28] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: or pastebin, if you're sure it does not contain anything you don't want to share with the world
[16:28] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: you think that is save or do you want me to encrypt it
[16:29] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: I think it's not a big risk, but I can give you my public key if you want
[16:30] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: that is OK i checked the file also.
[16:30] <thisfred> ok, great, then send it to me, and I'll have a look if I can identify the problem
[16:31] <rye> btw, guys, is is planned to have "Someguy wants to share his "Somefolder" with you" in the dashboard? E-Mail is not that reliable as it turns out (especially with our From: handling)
[16:34] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: you should have the file by now.
[16:34] <nessita> can I have a couple of reviews for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/resize-so-password-can-be-changed/+merge/42135 ?
[16:45] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: yep, got your mail, looking now. Bedankt! ;)
[16:45] <mpt> nessita, hi, is there a specification for the sign-in dialog that's newer than <https://docs.google.com/View?id=dfkkjjcj_82fb6d42hk>?
[16:46] <mpt> If not, I can start making one if you like
[16:54] <nessita> mpt: there is the phase 2, let me share the link
[16:54] <nessita> mpt: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/Doc?docid=0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfODY2Z3RnbTl2Z3E&hl=en
[16:55] <nessita> mpt: let me know if you need anything else
[16:55] <nessita> I'm having a quick lunch now!
[16:56] <mpt> thanks
[17:04] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: I don't see any errors in there. Can you search through the whole file for the string '_replicate'
[17:34] <nessita> CardinalFang: would you be able to do a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/resize-so-password-can-be-changed/+merge/42135
[17:34] <CardinalFang> nessita, sure.
[17:36] <nessita> dobey: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/resize-so-password-can-be-changed/+merge/42135 ? it solves the issue we talked about last Wed for the ussoc gui
[17:38] <dobey> looking
[17:38] <nessita> dobey: thanks
[17:39] <dobey> nessita: btw, you don't need to put the * bullets in the commit message (nor the LP: #bugno)
[17:39] <nessita> dobey: I know, but they ease my job when writing changelog
[17:40] <nessita> changes to setup.py should not be there, reverting
[17:40] <dobey> hrmm
[17:44] <nessita> changes to setup,py reverted
[17:46] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: I emailed a new piece out of the file
[17:46] <thisfred> thanks!
[17:52] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: that one's encrypted though, and since I didn't give you my key, I doubt I can decrypt it
[17:54] <thisfred> ah, I can though :) thanks
[18:18] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: ok, still don't see anything wrong there. The extremely long list of revisions indicates we may be handling livemarks very inefficiently, but I don't see an error. Can you search for 'error'?
[18:19] <thisfred> better yet, '500 error'
[18:19] <thisfred> the 401s are not really errors
[18:39] <CardinalFang> nessita, hi.  I'm looking at your branch.  I can't call the login method from d-feet.  It wants two strings, it seems.
[18:39] <CardinalFang> The branch looks good otherwise, but I wanted to test.
[18:39] <nessita> CardinalFang: are you sure you're accessing the /com/ubuntu/sso/credentials iface?
[18:40] <nessita> CardinalFang: not just the (deprecated) /credentials?
[18:40]  * CardinalFang updates his trunk again.
[18:40] <nessita> CardinalFang: also, are you sure you're running the service from the branch, and not from the system?
[18:41] <CardinalFang> nessita, I found it.  my "bzr pull" earlier failed and I didn't notice.
[18:41] <nessita> ah! :-)
[18:52] <CardinalFang> nessita, that "allocation - 2" is too magical in resizing, and it's slow.  Growing was fast, but shirinking 1000px to 300px took 20 seconds.  You can take out ~5 lines of code and make it perfect.
[18:53]  * CardinalFang adds comment.
[18:53] <nessita> CardinalFang: I took it from http://tadeboro.blogspot.com/2009/05/wrapping-adn-resizing-gtklabel.html
[18:53] <nessita> CardinalFang: what s your magic recipe? I'd love to know how to fix that
[18:54] <dobey> oh hrmm
[18:55] <dobey> label resizing should be more automatic now anyway
[18:55] <dobey> there were some fixes to gtk+ a while back to deal with that, iirc
[18:57] <CardinalFang> nessita, try not attaching to signal "size-allocate" at all.  Then, you can remove the .on_size_allocate .
[18:57] <nessita> dobey: are you sure? have any link?
[18:57] <nessita> CardinalFang: nopes, that makes the label be too narrow
[18:57] <nessita> in practice, labels do not allocate width properly
[18:59] <dobey> nessita: label.set_single_line_mode(True) i think?
[19:00] <dobey> although if you need newlines in the string, probably not helpful
[19:01] <CardinalFang> nessita, what label will be too narrow?  It looks perfect.
[19:02] <dobey> but yeah you shouldn't need to screw with size_allocate
[19:03] <nessita> I had a poweroutage
[19:03] <nessita> CardinalFang: you were saying?
[19:04] <CardinalFang> nessita, what label will be too narrow?
[19:05] <nessita> CardinalFang: the one below the title, which with the params I passed is the empty string. To test a non empty string, use:
[19:06] <nessita> 'An app name', {'help_text': ' Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Etiam eu sem  risus. Curabitur elementum iaculis placerat. Maecenas sollicitudin  semper arcu vitae euismod. Duis sed quam erat, in feugiat enim. In hac  habitasse platea dictumst. Aliquam erat volutpat. Pellentesque  scelerisque pretium venenatis. Praesent sit amet nisl in lectus  scelerisque interdum vitae et dui. Nunc luctus nisi sit amet felis  p
[19:06] <nessita> sed  adipiscing. Sed at blandit mauris. Nullam ullamcorper, sapien et  dignissim porta, sem purus egestas odio, vitae molestie elit dolor sit  amet libero. '}
[19:06] <nessita> CardinalFang: ^
[19:08] <CardinalFang> nessita, I've made it 5 times longer, and I still don't see a problem.
[19:09] <nessita> CardinalFang: removing the size-allocate connection?
[19:10] <CardinalFang> nessita, ah, I see that the help text does not reflow if I make the window wider.
[19:10] <nessita> CardinalFang: exactly
[19:11] <nessita> CardinalFang: the way I did it (connecting size-allocate) was the recommended way from the web and from Chipaca`
[19:11] <nessita> CardinalFang: if you have a better way, I'd love to implement it
[19:13] <dobey> nessita: did you miss my comment?
[19:13] <dobey> hrmm
[19:13] <nessita> dobey: apparently, could you please repeat?
[19:14] <dobey> 13:55 < dobey> nessita: label.set_single_line_mode(True) i think?
[19:14] <dobey> 13:55 < dobey> although if you need newlines in the string, probably not helpful
[19:14] <nessita> dobey: we do use multiple lines
[19:14] <nessita> dobey: that wraps per word
[19:14] <karni> 15 minute travel took me [with all city means of transport] 3 hours during first serious snow in Warsaw.. :/
[19:16] <beuno> karni, \o/
[19:16] <beuno> hi
[19:16] <CardinalFang> karni, hah.
[19:16] <karni> hi beuno :)
[19:17]  * karni is so tired with that 3 hours commuting
[19:17] <dobey> nessita: let me check something.
[19:17] <nessita> dobey: sure
[19:17] <CardinalFang> karni, when we in Florida get 0.5cm of snow, the schools close so the kids can go play in it.
[19:17] <dobey> nessita: this label is id help_label in the glade?
[19:17] <karni> CardinalFang: ;D . just today we got.. ~20-25cm ?
[19:18] <nessita> dobey: yes, but it applies to more labels
[19:18] <karni> perhaps less, 10cm, and more in some places
[19:18] <dobey> nessita: well, the labels are all packed with expand=False
[19:18] <CardinalFang> I was just changing that here.
[19:18] <dobey> nessita: which means they don't expand with the window being resized.
[19:18] <nessita> dobey: yes, that is not the issue as I remember. Let me confirm.
[19:19] <dobey> nessita: well, it's part of the issue.
[19:19] <karni> beuno: aquarius: though not (yet) backed by file down/upload, one can already browse Files, UDFs, and Shares meta data (say, lists of contents)
[19:19] <dobey> even if it's not all of it :)
[19:19] <aquarius> karni, yay!
[19:19] <nessita> dobey: we don't want labels to expand vertically, and setting expand to true makes that effect, afaik
[19:20] <nessita> dobey: confirmed, we need expand in False
[19:20] <karni> beuno: aquarius: i have to take 2-3 days off to program a termal printer for my aunt, but it shouldn't take long for me to implement download/sync(!)
[19:21] <dobey> that doesn't seem right
[19:21] <nessita> confirmed will only center the label in the vbox cell, which we don't want
[19:21] <nessita> dobey: try it yourself please
[19:21] <karni> beuno: aquarius: since I focused on most important stuff, I left OAuth for the desert (currently I just drop my tokens into a raw resource txt file to test the app)
[19:21] <dobey> oh, because you're packing directly into a vbox
[19:21] <nessita> dobey: what would you do instead?
[19:22] <nessita> dobey: I find easier to solve things if you can (please) propose an alternative solution to something you consider incorrect
[19:23] <dobey> nessita: put the label inside an hbox which is inside the vbox; and set the hbox expand=False, fill=True; and set the label expand=True
[19:23] <nessita> dobey: I'll try it, but from my POV that's overkill
[19:24] <nessita> dobey: it doesn't work
[19:24] <nessita> dobey: can you please try it yourself?
[19:25] <nessita> we've been this road before, past cycle, with alecu-sprint and Chipaca`, we tried several option. I really appreciate your concern, so if you could please try this yourself, you'll safe me a lot of time :-)
[19:26] <nessita> CardinalFang: can you please re-review the needs fixing?
[19:26] <Chipaca`> the problem is the reflowing of the label text
[19:27] <beuno> karni, so the old oauth code wasn't useful?
[19:27] <karni> beuno: it's perfect and i'll just use it :)
[19:27] <karni> beuno: things are going fast while using AU1 code
[19:27] <beuno> karni, ah, awesome
[19:28] <karni> beuno: some things are new (like common activity to handle files/udfs/shares [3 activities, very little different code! yay] )
[19:28] <karni> beuno: and some are taken from AU1 (like Account section, or - like will be - oauth :) )
[19:28] <beuno> karni, sounds like fast and heavy progress!
[19:29] <karni> beuno: when "I'm done" with ubuntuone-android-files , I'll probably go with the Ubuntu SSO for android, what we talked about with you and aquarius
[19:29] <beuno> karni, right, that would be an interesting project
[19:29] <karni> beuno: perhaps you won't get the testable app this month (which ends tomorrow), but it should be matter of days :)
[19:32] <karni> beuno: but who knows, I always do my best to keep a word. if it wasn't for that printer you'd most def have that apk tomorrow argh.. family first, so they say.
[19:34] <beuno> karni, that is totally fine, we're doing some fixes to the music streaming app, then we'll jump in and start working with you on whatever needs doing
[19:42] <karni> beuno: ok, good luck with giving that love to streaming app :)
[19:48] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: sorry I was on th ephone for a whilen and I will look for a 500 error.
[19:48] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: great, thx
[19:49] <dobey> nessita: i think i have a fix for you; un momento
[19:50] <Woodenshoe> thisfred: how many before or after the 500 error do you require?
[19:51] <dobey> nessita: nope, nevermind; same issue as your current solution :(
[19:51] <thisfred> Woodenshoe: depends on how long the error message is, which is hard to tell without seeing it ;) Can you do something like 200 lines on either side?
[19:53] <nessita> dobey: thanks for trying though
[19:56] <dobey> nessita: ahh, this is what i was thinking of earlier, wrt 'already fixed': http://lists-archives.org/gtk-devel/11290-extended-layout-incubator-branch.html
[19:59] <nessita> dobey: wanna share a summary? :-)
[20:03] <dobey> nessita: i don't know if that's actually in gtk+ or not, but if so, using GtkExtendedLayout should help solve the issue
[20:13] <dobey> nessita: remind me again why shadowing system modules in python is a bad thing.
[20:17] <nessita> dobey: because you can't use them if you put in the namespace something that overlaps with them
[20:17] <nessita> dobey: either you import with a rename, or you don't shadow
[20:17] <nessita> dobey: same apply to builtins, and in that case you can't import with rename
[20:17] <dobey> nessita: so https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/desktopcouch/+bug/682840 is bad, right?
[20:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682840 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch.application.platform shadows system python platform module (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:19] <nessita> dobey: hum, as far as I know that is not bad since you can (should?) use it as desktopcouch.application.platform. What is bad is to do from desktopcouch.application import platform
[20:20] <dobey> how is that any worse than "import desktopcouch.application.platform" ?
[20:21] <nessita> dobey: "import desktopcouch.application.platform" puts in the namespace the name desktopcouch.application.platform, and doesn't shadow platform
[20:22] <nessita> dobey: for platform in particular, I'm not sure what is the recommended path
[20:22] <nessita> I know mandel tends to do this, but I haven't deal with this in the past
[20:23] <dobey> eh i just know we had to rename hash.py in ubuntuone-storage-protocol for this reason before
[20:23] <dobey> i won't pretend to understand what guido wants with python
[20:23] <nessita> dobey: you're right...
[20:24] <nessita> dobey: let me ask people that knows better
[20:24] <dobey> of course, if this 'platform' dir is an issue here; it's also going to be a problem in ubuntuone-client i see
[20:30] <nessita> dobey: yes, I'm discussing this right now
[20:31] <nessita> on the python argentina channel, asking for advice. They mention we should mimic os.path, I'm looking at it right now
[20:35] <beuno> nessita, bzr deals with this a lot, you may be able to steal^look at code there
[20:37]  * nessita steals^W looks
[20:37] <nessita> dobey: I'd say that's a valid bug report
[20:40] <dobey> nessita: hmm
[21:29] <mterry> I just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch/+bug/682866 .  Is this something anyone else has seen?
[21:29] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682866 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) "CouchDatabase() call hangs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:29]  * mterry wonders if he screwed up his config
[21:34] <duanedesign> hello mterry
[21:35] <mterry> duanedesign, hi
[21:39] <duanedesign> hmm, maybe one of the couch fellows might be able to make heads or tails of that.. Chipaca` ?
[22:01] <rye> duanedesign, a bug i just discovered - bug #682878 - somebody may want to rely on an opposite behavior
[22:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682878 in ubuntuone-client "Files still get downloaded from "unsubscribed" folder (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682878
[22:02] <duanedesign> rye: ;)
[22:04] <rye> duanedesign, by somebody i actually meant "me" :/


[10:31] <BrianHechinger[m> Oh, I see what the issue is. This thumb drive has the EFI directory but it's an iso9660 FS. I think UEFI can only read that if it's fat?
[11:44] <BrianHechinger[m> Ugh. Startup Disk Creator. D'Oh!
[11:44]  * BrianHechinger[m facepalms
[11:45] <BrianHechinger[m> but, I can't do ffado with the live image, can I? I'll need to actually install to the thumb drive?
[16:06] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: ffado is installed on the live image.
[16:08] <BrianHechinger[m> It didn't show up as a choice in studio controls to switch to it from alsa
[16:08] <BrianHechinger[m> but, don't you need to reboot with that enabled anyway?
[19:59] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: It depends on if the alsa-fireworks module actually loads. If it fails as it does here, just switch in controls and then restart jack with the firewire backend enabled.
[20:00] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: if the alsa fireworks module does actually load, it should still be possible to unload it manually.
[20:04] <BrianHechinger[m> so it the alsa-fireworks module loads that would cause studio controls to not give the firewire backend option and I need to unload it first?
[20:05] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:05] <OvenWerks> modprobe -r I think and it probably called snd-fireworks or something like that
[20:06] <OvenWerks> (alsa uses snd for it's module names)
[20:06] <OvenWerks> use lsmod for a list of currently loaded modules
[20:07] <OvenWerks> you may wish to use lsmod |grep snd for less screen clutter
[20:07] <OvenWerks> well a little less :P
[20:21] <BrianHechinger[m> Ok, i'll try that when I have the time to reboot.
[20:34] <BrianHechinger[m> Which is now!
[20:41] <BrianHechinger[m> `modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_fireworks is in use.`
[20:53] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: modprobe -r snd_fireworks?
[20:55] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: you may need to do a modprobe --show-depends and rremove all of them
[20:56] <OvenWerks> I don't know if a -f works with -r or not
[20:57] <OvenWerks> rmmod does have a -f option but says it may crash your kernel.
[22:21] <BrianHechinger[m> It may not be able to be unloaded. A lot of hardware modules can't be unloaded after they've attached to the hardware. I know that's a thing with doing pci passthrough with Nvidia cards. You need to blacklist nouveau or you can't pass the card.
[22:22] <OvenWerks> So in that case you need to the blacklist file in the compressed file system :(
[22:23] <OvenWerks> you could install the iso to another usb stick and run that ...
[22:23] <OvenWerks> This is getting to be a lot fo work.
[22:24] <BrianHechinger[m> Yeah, I'll just wait till I have a spare drive. Booting from USB makes this painful to keep doing.
[22:24] <OvenWerks>  :)
[22:27] <BrianHechinger[m> There is a second m.2 slot on my motherboard so I'm going to replace the SATA SSD that has Windows with an NVMe drive. The SATA drive will go in another system but that system won't be built for a while so that's perfect timing. 😜