[12:14] <zipper> freshly installed kubuntu 6.06, doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade is giving me these errors: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=37009. Anyone know whats wrong?
[12:15] <zipper> !help
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[12:15] <hikaricore> is it causing continuous errors in apt?
[12:16] <zipper> hikaricore: yeah
[12:16] <seniortaco> wine
[12:16] <hikaricore> hmm... you could try reinstalling the language packs
[12:16] <seniortaco> woops
[12:16] <hikaricore> rofl
[12:17] <seniortaco> lol
[12:17] <hikaricore> That's odd though, did you check the forums to see if anyone had a similar problem in an upgrade?
[12:17] <zipper> hikaricore: not yet...
[12:18] <seniortaco> aww wine cant run msi files
[12:18] <elcuco> hi, i see a new kernel update. whats new on that update?
[12:18] <hikaricore> I know there's a prog yuo can run in wine to run msi
[12:18] <hikaricore> lemmie search around a bit :P
[12:18] <hikaricore> *you
[12:18] <seniortaco> :D
[12:19] <sercik> hi friends!
[12:19] <sercik> i have a hard question!
[12:19] <sercik> for linux guru
[12:19] <sercik> someone wants try??
[12:19] <imagine> !ask @ secleinteer
[12:20] <imagine> tss
[12:20] <imagine> ~ask @ sercik
[12:20] <sercik> i have a pc with linux installed and i want that it download giles for me
[12:20] <imagine> bugger this, sercik:don't ask to ask..
[12:20] <seniortaco> yay i got it to work
[12:20] <hikaricore> seniortaco: woot
[12:21] <sercik> i use putty to connect to pc but when i close putty the command stops tp work
[12:21] <hikaricore> seniortaco: sorry i'm slow :P
[12:21] <khaije1> seniortaco: are you a mr taco, or a junior taco that made the grade....?
[12:21] <sercik> also if i give in background with &
[12:21] <imagine> sercik: download files? and what is putty?
[12:21] <khaije1> or both...?
[12:21] <sercik> for guru only!
[12:21] <seniortaco> um.. no lol
[12:21] <rodrigo> hello guys
[12:22] <imagine> sercik: you're question doesn't make sense, you send a command to execute on your linux box and... ?
[12:22] <rodrigo> does any one can tell me how do I register on here?
[12:22] <zipper> imagine: i mostly use putty as ssh client, but it also supports other stuff
[12:22] <sercik> imagine is complicated
[12:22] <sercik> i need to download files with linux box
[12:22] <imagine> zipper: oh ssh client! well now we are getting somewhere
[12:22] <hikaricore> wget?
[12:22] <hikaricore> lol
[12:22] <sercik> but i have no monitor and no keyboard
[12:22] <rodrigo> hellou?
[12:22] <hikaricore> install openssh on it
[12:22] <sercik> tha pc is my gateway
[12:22] <hikaricore> then ssh to it
[12:23] <imagine> sercik: stop saying is for guru and it's complicated, it's irritating
[12:23] <sercik> i have done
[12:23] <sercik> putty is a windows ssh client
[12:23] <rodrigo> hello
[12:23] <rodrigo> hola?
[12:23] <sercik> but if i close putty the download stops
[12:23] <hikaricore> ok so where are you trying to install files from?
[12:23] <hikaricore> well yea
[12:23] <sercik> i need to shutdown windows pc
[12:23] <imagine> sercik: of course it does.. you logout of your account..
[12:23] <sercik> and let linux download
[12:23] <zipper> imagine: what are you trying to do?
[12:23] <sercik> is not a simple problem infact
[12:24] <hikaricore> follow the download command with an "&" symbol and it should keep running
[12:24] <sercik> no
[12:24] <sercik> i have tried
[12:24] <seniortaco> anddddd steam fails to install on me thnx steam for being so awsome
[12:24] <imagine> zipper: I'm not trying to do anything, I'm trying to explain SSH to sercik
[12:24] <sercik> if i close it stops
[12:24] <zipper> imagine: oh okay. Nevermind me then
[12:24] <imagine> :D
[12:24] <imagine> sercik: well.. why do you want to download the file from the server?
[12:24] <sercik> is a difficult problem but i think should be a solution!
[12:25] <sercik> yes!
[12:25] <zipper> sercik: you can do it with "screen"
[12:25] <imagine> why is an open question..
[12:25] <sercik> screen?
[12:25] <zipper> it lets a "screen session" run, even after you've logged off
[12:25] <sercik> what is?
[12:25] <rodrigo> \nick rodro
[12:25] <HymnToLife> Amen to that !
[12:25] <zipper> sercik: its a program
[12:25] <rodrigo> how do I change my nick?
[12:25] <hikaricore> seniortaco: there are some steam howtos, have to looked at any?
[12:25] <HymnToLife> screen is the greatest invention of mankind since canned beer :p
[12:25] <sercik> zipper i understood this :)
[12:25] <hikaricore> seniortaco: I'm not really familiar with steam or I'd help more >.<
[12:25] <sercik> could you point me to a giude?
[12:25] <rodrigo> does kubuntu let you remote assistance?
[12:25] <sercik> or give me some starts?
[12:26] <imagine> rodrigo: yes
[12:26] <HymnToLife> sercik, screen yourCommand
[12:26] <rodrigo> thanks imagine how?
[12:26] <sercik> simply
[12:26] <zipper> sercik: i mostly use screen for having irssi running on my server. Find it better than using a bouncer.
[12:26] <HymnToLife> sercik, then Ctrl+A, Ctrl+D
[12:26] <imagine> rodrigo: well there's many ways, ssh is one...
[12:26] <sercik> so for example
[12:26] <HymnToLife> will get you back to your prompt but the command will keep running
[12:26] <rodrigo> ssh?
[12:26] <rodrigo> imagine
[12:26] <sercik> screen wget url ?
[12:26] <HymnToLife> sercik, yep
[12:27] <sercik> and then ctrl A cnd CTRL D
[12:27] <rodrigo> I spent all the day of yesterday trying to make my dvd softwares works
[12:27] <zipper> sercik: it's really simple. To create a new screen: "screen -DR name-of-screen-here"
[12:27] <rodrigo> and I coudn't imagine
[12:27] <sercik> i will try! if works i love you 1
[12:27] <sercik> 1!
[12:27] <imagine> rodrigo: hmm, SSH is a tunneling app that let you transfer data over an encrypter tunnel. you can set your Xserver to connect to a remote computer though a SSH server
[12:27] <HymnToLife> sercik, exactly, and then if you want to get back in the screen, to see if all is going well, you just do      screen -R
[12:27] <sercik> ah interesting
[12:27] <zipper> sercik: you can then detach from the screen (still running) with CTRL+A and then ctrl+d
[12:27] <sercik> but simply i can do a ps -ax | grep whet
[12:28] <rodrigo> imagine and how do i do that?
[12:28] <hikaricore> imagine: krfb might be easier for him :)
[12:28] <zipper> sercik: to resume a screen again, type "screen -r name-of-screen-here"
[12:28] <sercik> wait
[12:28] <sercik> wait
[12:28] <imagine> hikaricore: maybe:) ahaha running kubuntu part time only !
[12:28] <rodrigo> imagine: there are only two things that I want to do
[12:28] <imagine> anyway I got more shit to do!
[12:28] <sercik> i'm confused
[12:28] <zipper> sercik: oh?
[12:28] <rodrigo> imagine: to run my dvd and to install gimpshop
[12:28] <hikaricore> imagine:  it's like gnome's vnc but for kde and it works better
[12:29] <rodrigo> imagine: no one could help me yesterday with that
[12:29] <imagine> oh.. never used it..
[12:29] <sercik> first problem: linux don't have screen command
[12:29] <imagine> rodrigo: well.. gimpshop, can't you run it with cygwin?
[12:29] <sercik> apt-get found it ok!
[12:29] <HymnToLife> sercik, apt-get instal screen :)
[12:29] <imagine> ...
[12:29] <sercik> is not ubuntu!!
[12:29] <zipper> sercik: "apt-get install screen"
[12:29] <rodrigo> imagine: cygwin?
[12:29] <hikaricore> sercik: ??
[12:30] <zipper> sercik: sorry, "sudo apt-get install screen"
[12:30] <sercik> zipper i'm not stupid i know this!
[12:30] <zipper> =/
[12:30] <zipper> sorry
[12:30] <zipper> what distro?
[12:30] <sercik> don't worry :)
[12:30] <rodrigo> imagine: let's put it this way I have just one week with linux
[12:30] <sercik> i have kubuntu on my desktop
[12:30] <imagine> rodrigo: nvm what I said, I really need to get going, if you want answer, ask easy to understand question..
[12:30] <sercik> in my server i have clarkconnect
[12:30] <zipper> clarkconnect?
[12:30] <HymnToLife> what's that ?
[12:30] <imagine> ahahhahahahahha
[12:30] <hikaricore> pulling this out of thin air i imagine
[12:30] <imagine> clarkconnect..
[12:30] <rodrigo> imagine: sorry
[12:31] <sercik> search fot ir
[12:31] <sercik> clarkconnect is the best linux router distribution
[12:31] <sercik> i think.........
[12:31] <rodrigo> rodrigo: maybe the best thing is just don't use linux
[12:31] <imagine> I would trust an distro called clarkconnect only when the computer would be powered off
[12:31] <rodrigo> rodrigo: too technical for me
[12:31] <sercik> rodrigo i con't understand
[12:32] <sercik> clarkconnect exists
[12:32] <imagine> rodrigo: take your time, if you want answers go to #kde as well.. they will help you with krfb
[12:32] <sercik> is based on centos
[12:32] <sercik> and is the best router/gateway distribution i know
[12:32] <HymnToLife> Wikipedia tells me it also uses apt
[12:32] <sercik> it can be installed on HD!
[12:32] <francesco_> scusate ci sta un canale italiano?
[12:32] <HymnToLife> so try apt-get install screen
[12:32] <francesco_> are there a italian channel?
[12:32] <HymnToLife> !it | francesco_
[12:32] <zipper> sercik: what kind of package system does it use? Ports? RPM?
[12:32] <ubotu> francesco_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:32] <sercik> i have also installed mldonkey on it and all my famili use it to download from emule
[12:33] <hikaricore> eww emule
[12:33] <zipper> sercik: ah... then just install screen on it as well?
[12:33] <seniortaco> lol
[12:33] <sercik> and connect remote with sancho
[12:33] <hikaricore> wth is sansho
[12:33] <sercik> sancho is a gui for mldonkey core
[12:33] <hikaricore> ah gotya
[12:33] <jarn> I don't suppose there's a log of things I've typed into the terminal anywhere, is there?
[12:34] <hikaricore> some exist in .bash_history
[12:34] <sercik> hikaricore the core run on gateway and i search and send download from client with sancho
[12:34] <zipper> jarn: there is. in "~/.bash_history
[12:34] <hikaricore> but it depends on what terminal you've used
[12:34] <zipper> jarn: sorry, "~/.bash_history"
[12:34] <sercik> it tells screen wget http://afs.caspur.it/afs/italia/project/mirrors/suse/install/10.2/iso/openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso
[12:34] <sercik> [detached]
[12:34] <zipper> sercik: good
[12:34] <sercik> now! can i close??
[12:35] <zipper> sercik: you can.
[12:35] <HymnToLife> that's pretty much the point :p
[12:35] <zipper> sercik: you might want to consider making sure that you can re-attach before though
[12:35] <sercik> now if i want to restore session?
[12:35] <hikaricore> I'm so glad I have a input/vga switcher so I don't have to deal with sshing in to my server.  ^_^
[12:35] <HymnToLife> sercik, screen -R
[12:36] <zipper> sercik: "screen -r NameOfTheScreen"
[12:36] <sercik> WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWww
[12:36] <jarn> zipper: Thanks!
[12:36] <sercik> wonderful!
[12:36] <zipper> sercik: you can also see a list of available screens with "screen -l"
[12:36] <HymnToLife> zipper, less keystrokes, I win :p
[12:36] <sercik> ok i will read man screen
[12:36] <zipper> HymnToLife: =/
[12:36] <sercik> zipper thank you very very nuch!!!!!
[12:36] <zipper> np
[12:36] <sercik> you are great!
[12:36] <zipper> lol
[12:36] <zipper> =)
[12:36] <sercik> i love this channel
[12:37] <sercik> is full of fantastic people
[12:37] <Minataku> Just in time for the truth
[12:37] <chrislynch> i would like to repartition my drive with qtparted, it says the drive is busy though.  What can I do to fix this?
[12:37] <seniortaco> u think im fantastic .. i feel honored
[12:37] <Minataku> chrislynch: Stop using it
[12:37] <sercik> finally i can shutdown my pc and let my server download
[12:38] <Minataku> If it's busy it most likely has mounted filesystems
[12:38] <zipper> hikaricore: i'm sorry, i'm not registers. Forgotten my account info =/
[12:38] <seniortaco> just wondering anyone here using vmware to run ubuntu?
[12:38] <zipper> hikaricore: registered*
[12:38] <sercik> i have a strange problem with kubuntu i can't ping my gateway and i can't connect to it via ssh anymore however i receive internet connection and i can browwse web and use konversation for example!
[12:38] <seniortaco> ?
[12:38] <Minataku> Bah
[12:38] <zipper> sercik: you sure you didnt accidently stopped the ssh service?
[12:38] <Minataku> The services package here fudging sucks
[12:39] <sercik> no zipper
[12:39] <chrislynch> minataku: yes, it is.  I want to create a new partition so that I can instal another OS onto my drive
[12:39] <sercik> fo sure i have reinstalled gatewaay
[12:39] <saber_> my pc didn't shut down or restart
[12:39] <Minataku> chrislynch: Sorry. Can't partition a drive that's in use
[12:39] <sercik> but from windows works good and from kubuntu don't
[12:39] <saber_> any help?
[12:39] <sercik> i can't ping
[12:39] <hikaricore> chrislynch: your best bet would probably be to boot from a live cd and partition it that way
[12:39] <sercik> but i recieve internet!
[12:39] <sercik> i don't believe this strange problem!
[12:40] <Minataku> sercik: If it works, don't break it
[12:40] <hikaricore> chrislynch: if it's your main partion you won't be able to do anything while it's mounted, for your own safety.
[12:40] <sercik> i need to reinstall kubuntu
[12:40] <chrislynch> hikaricore: that was my next option i was going to try, thanks.
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> I can't get kwifimanager to load a preset configuration on startup
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> the program loads, but it doesn't load the configuration
[12:40] <Minataku> s/main/root/
[12:40] <sercik> Minataku sorry!
[12:40] <seniortaco> serick: im gunna have to say communism might be the cause of your mysterious problem
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> and I have to go into the configuration editor as root every single time
[12:40] <Minataku> sercik: Heehee, it's okay
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> so how do I fix that?
[12:40] <hikaricore> rofl
[12:40] <sercik> seniortaco :)
[12:40] <seniortaco> lol
[12:40] <hikaricore> fix communism?
[12:40] <hikaricore> lol
[12:40] <sercik> ias a veru nisterious problem
[12:40] <hikaricore> sorry
[12:41] <Minataku> sercik: It's probably just some bizarre routing issue, as long as the internet still works I wouldn't worry about it
[12:41] <seniortaco> i does make some sense though u can get on the net but communism is forbidding u from pinging
[12:41] <sercik> Minataku i need also to connect to router not only navigate
[12:41] <sercik> to send command for example
[12:41] <zipper> lol seniortaco
[12:42] <seniortaco> so do sudo apt-get install democracy and ur set
[12:42] <sercik> i have a beautiful kubuntu i had configured always and now i need to reinstall :(
[12:42] <sercik> sorry not always but all
[12:42] <hikaricore> i think you're just trying to do everything too fast to be honest
[12:42] <hikaricore> You're trying to make everything work without wholey understanding any of it
[12:43] <hikaricore> I think you're head might explode
[12:43] <sercik> hikaricore i understand but my problem is very strange!
[12:43] <hikaricore> *your
[12:43] <sercik> i'm on a network that works but i can't ping pc
[12:43] <hikaricore> does your router block pings?
[12:43] <sercik> also if i mount a samba shared i see directory but the file are unusable!
[12:43] <Minataku> seniortaco: As for you, if you don't have serious assistance, stop
[12:43] <hikaricore> like maybe a builtin firewall?
[12:44] <sercik> hikaricore my rouer is a linux pc
[12:44] <zipper> hikaricore: blocking inside the LAN? Sounds wierd....
[12:44] <sercik> and it worked until two days ago
[12:44] <tdn> How do I add my SSH key to ssh-agent each time I log in to KDE? So I don't have to write "ssh-add" the first time I want to use SSH in each session.
[12:44] <sercik> but windows works only kubuntu don't
[12:44] <sercik> can i reset network configuration on kubuntu?
[12:45] <zipper> sercik: well... You just started downloading a huge file right? Perhaps the packages are getting lost in congestion control or something
[12:45] <keith> is it a complicated task to authunicate with active directory
[12:45] <hikaricore> i hope that your "router" system has a static ip
[12:45] <zipper> !help
[12:45] <sercik> zipper router works good
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[12:46] <sercik> i'm sure because now i'm on windows
[12:46] <tdn> knetworkmanager stopped showing available wireless networks. How do I get it to do that? How do I even debug this?
[12:46] <sercik> and i can ping it i can coonect to it via ssh and i cam mount samba shares
[12:46] <sercik> in kubuntu until three days ago no problem
[12:46] <sercik> now full of problem :)
[12:46] <Arwen> will I have to recompile kernel modules after a minor kernel update? like 2.6.20-16.28 -> 2.6.20-16.29?
[12:47] <sercik> from kubuntu i can't ping i can't connect via ssh
[12:47] <crimsun> it's a good idea to, but no, you shouldn't have to.
[12:47] <Arwen> ok
[12:47] <crimsun> (to Arwen)
[12:47] <sercik> i can only browse internet
[12:47] <sercik> hi crimsun!
[12:47] <oslo__> hi
[12:48] <oslo__> do u know any ssl chat programs ?
[12:48] <hikaricore> sercik: i think your problems as a whole are too much for anyone to handle.  you need to stick to one basic issue and try and fix that, instead of everything at once.
[12:48] <main2> can i configure kubuntu in such way that when i press the powerbutton of my desktop, that it goes into suspend mode
[12:48] <Arwen> oslo__, err... XChat, Konversation, etc
[12:48] <main2> instead of powerdown!?
[12:48] <main2> i cant find the power options :/
[12:49] <oslo__> Arwen> iin fact i'd like to do chat with PGP keys
[12:49] <sercik> hikaricore i know!
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> main2: yes you can... lemme remember where I saw that...
[12:49] <sercik> thanks a lot to all
[12:49] <sercik> i go to bed
[12:49] <Arwen> oslo__, um, then you need to connect to an SSL-enabled server
[12:49] <Arwen> most clients support it
[12:49] <saber_> where is power opition in kubuntu
[12:49] <zipper> !help
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[12:50] <oslo__> Arwen> could i host it ?
[12:50] <Arwen> I guess..
[12:50] <oslo__> do u have any links for me ?
[12:50] <oslo__> any program name, any tutorials ?
[12:50] <saber_> my hard disk refuse to mount
[12:51] <saber_> any help?
[12:51] <drblood_> hm
[12:51] <hikaricore> what type of file system?
[12:51] <saber_> fat32
[12:51] <saber_> i have 250gb sata hd
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> main2: hmm.. can't find it...
[12:51] <saber_> on partion mounted and the rest refused
[12:51] <drblood_> i cant believe its true that there are roads left in both of the shoes if the sun mistakes you then i hope it takes me too
[12:52] <hikaricore> mounting with "-t fat"?
[12:52] <main2> nosrednaekim, crap :D, but thanks for looking :)
[12:52] <saber_> explain plz
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> main2: there still mgith be.. google it
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> *might
[12:53] <hikaricore> mount /dev/hd? /media/place -t fat
[12:53] <hikaricore> if it's not seeing the partition type you'll need to tell it
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> hikaricore: its sata....
[12:53] <saber_> i tried no result the same refuse
[12:54] <saber_> i mounted one fat 32 partion while the others refuse     why?
[12:55] <hikaricore> what's the actual command you're using?
[12:55] <hikaricore> and what's the /dev location of the device
[12:55] <drblood_> DEATH CAB 4 CUTIE ROOLS
[12:55] <drblood_> SOUL MEETS BODY!
[12:55] <saber_> look here is the message
[12:55] <saber_> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> ummm... how do we kick someone?
[12:56] <hikaricore> are you running mount with sudo?
[12:56] <saber_> no
[12:56] <hikaricore> nosrednaekim: should we though?  i kinda laughed
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> lol...
[12:56] <saber_> from the media storage right clik
[12:56] <hikaricore> saber_: you have to run mount with "sudo"
[12:56] <hikaricore> is it asking for a password when you do that?
[12:57] <saber_> when i mount noooooooooooo
[12:57] <saber_> i am new plz tell me how
[12:57] <hikaricore> ok
[12:57] <hikaricore> first off, open a terminal
[12:57] <hikaricore> so you can actually see what's happening
[12:57] <saber_> how plz
[12:58] <saber_> how to open terminal
[12:58] <hikaricore> alt+f2 then type konsole
[12:58] <hikaricore> i think that's the kde term
[12:58] <hikaricore> lol
[12:58] <Arwen> damn it, medibuntu is broken again..
[12:58] <hikaricore> Arwen: ouch
[12:58] <saber_> ok
[12:58] <saber_> then
[12:58] <Arwen> hikaricore, yeh.... they're not hosting development headers anymore...
[12:59] <hikaricore> now in the terminal you type:  sudo mount /dev/sd?? /locationyouwantitmounted -t fat32
[12:59] <hikaricore> replace text accordingly :)
[12:59] <hikaricore> ?? = the location of the device
[01:00] <hikaricore> err
[01:00] <hikaricore> "-t fat"
[01:00] <hikaricore> sorry
[01:01] <Minataku> vfat
[01:01] <hikaricore> chit
[01:01] <hikaricore> >.<
[01:01] <Minataku> And put the options before the device
[01:01] <hikaricore> that's what I get for never using anything besides ext3
[01:01] <hikaricore> I never have to pass filesystem typed :P
[01:01] <hikaricore> *types
[01:02] <Minataku> I do every so often
[01:02] <Minataku> Filesystem options, too
[01:02] <hikaricore> I think I last mounted a fat device like a year ago
[01:02] <Arwen> oh wait, my sources.list was just broken :-\
[01:02] <Minataku> Actually, for FAT, type isn't needed
[01:02] <Minataku> It should be autodetected
[01:03] <main2> http://i8.tinypic.com/5xo5c0j.jpg
[01:03] <hikaricore> Eh it started by him saying it wasn't mounting
[01:03] <hikaricore> so I just went form there
[01:03] <main2> PARIS back to jail ! haha pwned :D > http://i8.tinypic.com/5xo5c0j.jpg
[01:03] <Minataku> It's typically only for bizarro crap or when something goofs and it can't tell
[01:03] <Minataku> hikaricore: Ah.
[01:03] <Minataku> main2: Off topic but great to hear
[01:03] <Arwen> lol... for Paris, the death penalty is highly appropriate :-\
[01:03] <hikaricore> rofl
[01:03] <hikaricore> she must not have been able to find enough smack in her home to keep her flipped out during her house arrest
[01:04] <hikaricore> sorry I couldn't help it
[01:05] <hikaricore> why does this remind me of the old netspits on dalnet?
[01:05] <main2> from 23days she now goes for the full 45 ;D
[01:05] <hikaricore> imagine that many people disconnecting at once
[01:05] <saber_> thanx hi
[01:05] <hikaricore> did you get it figured out?
[01:05] <greg_g> what is the kde partition manager?
[01:06] <hikaricore> if you need that drive to always be mounted you'll need to add a line for it in fstab
[01:06] <saber_> i managed to mount 3 partitions but still have 2 more who completely refuse
[01:06] <hikaricore> greg_g: sudo apt-get install qtparted
[01:06] <greg_g> hikaricore: thanks
[01:06] <Arwen> ^^ - remember not to partition active drives
[01:06] <hikaricore> saber_: are you sure they're fat and not ntfs?
[01:07] <saber_> i am sure they are fat32
[01:07] <hikaricore> hmm... that's odd
[01:08] <hikaricore> I'm not really sure other than to tell you maybe open up gparted or something and see if you're typing the correct devices
[01:08] <hikaricore> err
[01:08] <hikaricore> qtparted
[01:08] <hikaricore> ^_^
[01:09] <tetrimino> hello every Kubuntu users :D
[01:09] <BluesKaj> hikaricore, nothing wrong with gnome libs as long as they work in KDE :)
[01:10] <hikaricore> tetrimino: hello there
[01:10] <tetrimino> just started using Kubuntu yesterday
[01:10] <hikaricore> How's it workin out for ya?
[01:10] <tetrimino> so im not really a linux geek yet :D
[01:10] <tetrimino> hope it will come
[01:10] <tetrimino> fine :D
[01:10] <hikaricore> good to hear
[01:11] <hikaricore> I'm a kubuntu convert since I got tired of gnome failing at existance.
[01:11] <Arwen> I dunno, I never liked KDE's look n' feel and was never motivated enough to fix it
[01:12] <hikaricore> hehe I just made my kde desktop look just like my gnome desktop, without the whole nautilus bugging out thing
[01:12] <hikaricore> nautilus and gnome-screensaver were really my only pet peeves
[01:12] <Arwen> yeah, I hate gnome-screensaver
[01:12] <Arwen> nautilus has a tendency to leak memory/cpu time too, but it was a solid file manager
[01:13] <hikaricore> thumbnailing kills it alot
[01:13] <hikaricore> The scripts need to have builtin timeouts
[01:13] <hikaricore> But they don't and they just keep running when they fail
[01:13] <Arwen> yeah, I didn't like the fact that you couldn't tell it to not cache thumbnails
[01:13] <Arwen> and caching failed thumbnails - no no
[01:13] <jrick> I have a problem with Mailody.  I can not connect it to my Runbox acount using SMTP, and so I can't use it to send any messages. Can anyone help?
[01:14] <BluesKaj> got tired of having fiddle with spyware cleaners , antivirus apps, paying for stuff that is free on linux and worrying about all the other windows insecurities
[01:14] <Arwen> BluesKaj, err, I run Windows too... without any of that cruft you mention
[01:14] <hikaricore> I even converted my girl to kubuntu ^_^  now I only have to fix ventrilo instead of the whole comp.
[01:15] <saber_> is there a programme i can use to mount my hd
[01:15] <randrade> hi
[01:15] <tetrimino> you know what i like the most about Kubuntu?
[01:15] <tetrimino> Adept Manager
[01:15] <Arwen> #kubuntu-offtopic please, we're digressing too much
[01:15] <antiroach> how can i install acrobat reader on fiesty fawn? \
[01:15] <Arwen> antiroach, apt-get install acroread
[01:15] <hikaricore> saber_: Your best bet is to add entries in the the /etc/fstab file to mount them automaticlly.
[01:15] <BluesKaj> yes Arwen, as do i out of necessity to keep abreast of things in windows that my neebie kids rely on me for
[01:15] <tetrimino> i love it :D but then again, im used to winxp Do'H
[01:16] <saber_> how and what to add?
[01:16] <Arwen> damn, I forgot to install a custom libmatroska-dev version before beginning compile...
[01:16] <Arwen> *swears*
[01:16] <antiroach> E: Couldn't find package acroread
[01:16] <Arwen> !repositories | antiroach
[01:16] <ubotu> antiroach: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:16] <hikaricore> :P
[01:16] <Arwen> hikaricore, I have my personal channel for offtopic :-)
[01:17] <hikaricore> saber_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[01:17] <hikaricore> that might help explain fstab for ya
[01:17] <tetrimino> anyone of you using Kopete?
[01:17] <BluesKaj> newbie daughter actually ...she just got a divorce from a control freak husband and has finally been able to learn about computing and the internet
[01:18] <saber_> thanx i will see and come back thankx dude
[01:20] <tetrimino> i could really use a cheese burger D:
[01:21] <jrick> does anyone here use Mailody as their email client (let's get a hand's up)
[01:21] <BluesKaj> tetrimino, I used kopete for a while just out of curiosity. It's ok but i still prefer konversation
[01:22] <tetrimino> okay, but my "problem" is that i dont know how to change my display picture :D
[01:22] <BluesKaj> the opera browser has a nice embedded irc client ...works well
[01:23] <BluesKaj> IMers ...really into visuals
[01:24] <Minataku> Sweet... broke 3000 Gamerscore
[01:24] <Minataku> 3005, specifically
[01:24] <hikaricore> in what?
[01:25] <Minataku> Overall
[01:25] <Arwen> f***, ATI support in Linux is soo bad..
[01:26] <hikaricore> They promised to fix it
[01:26] <hikaricore> I even posted a link to an article about it on UGA
[01:26] <hikaricore> :)
[01:26] <Arwen> yeah, I'll believe it when I see results..
[01:26] <Arwen> AMD is dieing, didn't you see their second quarter losses?
[01:26] <Hench> I'm having some trouble installing Kubuntu; anyone willing to help? :)
[01:27] <hikaricore> What seems to be the trouble?
[01:27] <Arwen> !ask | Hench
[01:27] <ubotu> Hench: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:28] <hikaricore> Arwen: money is evil and I don't pay attention to company money
[01:28] <Arwen> profit/loss is usually a good indicator of how good the company's doing
[01:28] <Hench> I intend to dual-boot XP on my Dell Inspiron 1505, but when I boot from the Kubuntu CD and select install it just sits there on a blank screen
[01:28] <Hench> perpetually
[01:28] <Arwen> which is usually reflective of their product
[01:28] <Arwen> Hench, have you used the md5sum option to check it for errors?
[01:29] <Hench> Yep
[01:29] <Hench> no errors
[01:29] <Arwen> hmm... how far does it get before it hangs?
[01:29] <Hench> The Kubuntu logo shows up, and the bouncy status bar displays...bounces for a while, then the screen goes black
[01:29] <Hench> the screen's still on, just...black
[01:30] <Hench> and nothing happens
[01:30] <Arwen> Hench, hmm... did you try the safe graphics option?
[01:30] <hikaricore> there's an option to start in safe graphical mode
[01:30] <Hench> Then the CD stops spinning
[01:30] <hikaricore> lol
[01:30] <Hench> ah...no, hadn't tried that
[01:30] <Arwen> Hench, if you tell us what video card you have, that might help
[01:31] <Hench> Just so I don't waste my time, I've got an ATI Mobility Radeon x1400 in this laptop; is that compatible?
[01:31] <Arwen> X1xxx series? probably not
[01:31] <Arwen> not even by the 2d driver
[01:31] <Hench> :\
[01:31] <Hench> So should I even bother?
[01:32] <Arwen> Hench, well, you can install the proprietary driver later
[01:32] <hikaricore> Ironicly this reflects our ATI discussion.
[01:32] <Arwen> after setting it up in safe mode
[01:32] <hikaricore> >.<
[01:33] <Hench> Arwen: from where?
[01:33] <Arwen> Hench, we'll get to that later..
[01:33] <Hench> Heh
[01:33] <Hench> Alright, I'll try the safe graphics option
[01:33] <tetrimino> is it possible to install a windows version of q3a on Kubuntu?
[01:34] <Hench> Thanks
[01:34] <dad> Hello. What is the network package for Kubuntu?
[01:34] <Arwen> Hench, don't thank us till you've tried it :-)
[01:34] <ollie_> hi people
[01:34] <Arwen> yay, compile finally finished
[01:34] <Arwen> now I can use my system..
[01:35] <ollie_> since upgrading to feisty from edgy, ive had problems with my screensaver being very very slow
[01:35] <Arwen> ollie_, do you use fglrx?
[01:35] <ollie_> erm,
[01:35] <ollie_> not to my knowledge
[01:35] <ollie_> since i dont know what it is
[01:36] <Arwen> the ati proprietary driver?
[01:37] <ollie_> nope, nvidia here
[01:37] <Arwen> hmm.... do you have direct rendering? just a thought
[01:37] <hikaricore> did you reinstall the binary driver?
[01:37] <hikaricore> glxinfo | grep rendering
[01:37] <ollie_> i use their proprietary driver
[01:37] <ollie_> oh does it need re-installing manually?
[01:37] <hikaricore> usually it does ^_^
[01:37] <ollie_> :D
[01:37] <hikaricore> Personally I recommend using Envy.  But that's jsut me.
[01:37] <hikaricore> my typing is so dyslexic
[01:37] <ollie_> i'll just reinstall the binary quickly
[01:37] <ollie_> thanks guys
[01:37] <Arwen> hikaricore, ick, no scripts please... they fail hard
[01:37] <BluesKaj> Envy doesn't work for ATI on fesity ...dunno about nvidia
[01:38] <hikaricore> it works for nvidia
[01:38] <Arwen> I dislike those "easy" scripts, they tend to fail... and b0rk stuff when they fail :-\
[01:38] <Arwen> easier to do things manually
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ok so half of it works
[01:38] <hikaricore> eh scripts are one thing, but al pulled off something good wiht envy
[01:38] <hikaricore> I've very anti automatix/easyubuntu
[01:39] <BluesKaj> actually Arwen ,envy works great for both ATI and nVidia on edgy
[01:39] <hikaricore> You try explaining to someone how to install nvidia drivers over the phone sometime.
[01:39] <hikaricore> and Envy will be your best frined
[01:39] <hikaricore> ....
[01:40] <Arwen> he's "L" lol
[01:40] <BluesKaj> don't think Alberts Milone has tried to reconfig envy for ATI on feisty, hence the the "unstable " label.
[01:40] <hikaricore> it looks like an I
[01:40] <hikaricore> :P
[01:40] <BluesKaj> err Alberto
[01:40] <hikaricore> 1600x1200 res for the lose
[01:41] <Arwen> 1600x1200 pwns, lol
[01:41] <Arwen> if the text is too small, just increase your DPI :-)
[01:41] <hikaricore> yea but I can't tell the difference between an l and and I
[01:41] <Arwen> just bump up your font size? :-)
[01:42] <hikaricore> that defeats the purpose
[01:42] <Arwen> and those are hard to distinguish with some fonts :-\
[01:42] <hikaricore> 1600x1200 res with size 32 fonts
[01:42] <Arwen> hikaricore, I guess... food time... be back in 10
[01:42] <hikaricore> no thanks
[01:42] <crimsun> like, say, Red Hat's Liberation font
[01:42] <hikaricore> I love liberation fonts
[01:42] <crimsun> no distinction between a capital Oh ('O') and a zero ('0')
[01:43] <hikaricore> I have them on every system l own :)
[01:43] <crimsun> I hope that's resolved when they release the fully hinted version.
[01:43] <crimsun> because right, it sucks to use Liberation
[01:50] <Arwen> lol
[01:50] <Arwen> RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
[01:51] <Hench> Alas and alack, still didn't work
[01:51] <hikaricore> agggghhhhhah
[01:51] <hikaricore> sorry Arwen scared me
[01:52] <Arwen> lol
[01:52] <hikaricore> Your best bet would probably be the minimal cd, and I don't know if it would even be worth it.
[01:52] <Hench> that makes me sad
[01:52] <hikaricore> even if you got *ubuntu installed you might not be able to use a gui
[01:52] <hikaricore> :/
[01:53] <Hench> :\
[01:53] <Arwen> well, he could use the VESA driver
[01:53] <hikaricore> that makes me a sad panda
[01:53] <Arwen> :-)
[01:53] <Hench> .....
[01:53] <seniortaco> loler
[01:53] <Arwen> it works ok at 800x600, lol
[01:53] <hikaricore> he could also perfom chemical castration on his eyes
[01:53] <hikaricore> but I don't think that would be wise either
[01:53] <Hench> XD
[01:53] <hikaricore> >.<
[01:53] <seniortaco> id opt for that 1
[01:53] <Hench> Too bad I don't have another computer to try it on
[01:53] <hikaricore> vesa driver means no 3d ect
[01:53] <Arwen> the funny icon in the tray says I should reboot... but man, that'd be so boring
[01:54] <Arwen> hikaricore, it's a temporary solution....
[01:54] <hikaricore> and it will kill your uptime
[01:54] <seniortaco> and down time
[01:54] <seniortaco> wait
[01:54] <seniortaco> ya reverse that defently will up ur down time
[01:54] <hikaricore> 19:54:35 up 46 days, 3 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.03, 0.01
[01:54] <hikaricore> hehehe
[01:54] <Hench> Heh, this CD comes with memtest on it
[01:54] <Hench> cool
[01:54] <seniortaco> lol
[01:55] <Hench> XD
[01:55] <Hench> 46 days? Damn
[01:55] <seniortaco> lol i havent shut down this computer in a few months
[01:55] <hikaricore> I still havn't rebooted for the latest kernel fix
[01:55] <hikaricore> which will fix all my drives being labeled sda
[01:56] <hikaricore> seniortaco: nice
[01:56] <seniortaco> sda?... sad drives anonomys?
[01:56] <Hench> hehe, sad drives
[01:56] <hikaricore> lol
[01:56] <hikaricore> yes sad drives
[01:56] <seniortaco> only thing i can think of that sda could mean
[01:57] <hikaricore> I can't enable dma on my cdrom/dvd drives
[01:57] <hikaricore> because of a kernel bug that labels all my /dev/hd* as /dev/sd
[01:57] <seniortaco> thats a mean bug
[01:57] <Hench> hahaha
[01:57] <seniortaco> have u tried raid ? killed all the bugs in this room
[01:57] <hikaricore> ha ha ha
[01:58] <hikaricore> omg you said raid like meaning it as a pun
[01:58] <hikaricore> i get it
[01:58] <hikaricore> :P
[01:58] <seniortaco> loler
[01:58] <seniortaco> im using windows.. how bout that for a bug
[01:59] <hikaricore> O.o
[01:59] <seniortaco> lol
[01:59] <hikaricore> that's more like a worm than a bug
[01:59] <seniortaco> this is running on a virtual machine
[01:59] <Hench> Well, now i need to reload all those files I moved to my external :(
[01:59] <seniortaco> lol
[01:59] <Hench> And that took so long to do, too
[02:00] <seniortaco> i solved my compatibility issues by running linux inside of windows
[02:00] <seniortaco> as crazy as it sounds it workd nicely
[02:00] <Hench> I can only imagine
[02:01] <seniortaco> lol
[02:01] <Hench> 'cuz, ya know, my video card doesn't work with it XD
[02:01] <seniortaco> i got dual screens so one is always linux and the other side is windows
[02:01] <hikaricore> So you're running a very nice secure OS, inside of satan's baby?
[02:01] <hikaricore> hehe
[02:02] <seniortaco> kinda kool sliding my mouse between os's makes me feel powerful.... or something
[02:02] <seniortaco> lol
[02:02] <seniortaco> uve got that rite
[02:02] <seniortaco> should be vice versa but windows got me first so
[02:02] <Hench> LOL
[02:03] <buhuai> hello
[02:03] <seniortaco> its funny though cause ppl will ask me wat os im using and ill be like depends on wat mode im in
[02:03] <seniortaco> mood*
[02:03] <tetrimino> is there anykind of photoshop alternative for linux?
[02:03] <Hench> Well, I'm gonna go and move back over 30 gigs of data from my external
[02:03] <seniortaco> gimp
[02:03] <tetrimino> thanks
[02:03] <seniortaco> :D
[02:03] <hikaricore> There are howtos on configuring gimp to be more like PS if you need it.
[02:04] <seniortaco> only answer i can own!
[02:04] <seniortaco> answer* lol
[02:04] <hikaricore> There's also a cmyk plugin in existance
[02:04] <hikaricore> But I've never used it.
[02:04] <seniortaco> cmyk?
[02:04] <shadowhywind> oh i so screwed up! i have completely lost any ability to use sudo.. everytime i try to use sudo nothing happens.. can someone help?
[02:04] <seniortaco> u know if u take out the k and put an a and re arrange the letters u get... ymca
[02:05] <hikaricore> seniortaco:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmyk
[02:05] <seniortaco> ohhhh
[02:05] <hikaricore> shadowhywind: I can try, not sure if I'll be of much use.
[02:05] <tetrimino> btw any of you using XMMS as mp3 player?
[02:06] <hikaricore> shadowhywind: do you have any other info except nothing happens?
[02:06] <seniortaco> i dont know wat u guys use but winamp ftw
[02:06] <shadowhywind> the last thing i did was try to add a user to the root group
[02:06] <seniortaco> lol
[02:06] <shadowhywind> hikaricore that was the last thing i did before sudo stopped working
[02:06] <seniortaco>  its awsome i dont know y u would want to smack me
[02:06] <tetrimino> yeah winamp for the win, but you can't get winamp for linux? or cant you?
[02:07] <seniortaco> dont think so but.. i got linux on one screen and windows on the other so i got no problems there
[02:07] <seniortaco> :D
[02:07] <buhuai> kde
[02:07] <hikaricore> audacious is pretty nice for a winamp replacement
[02:07] <seniortaco> lol
[02:08] <hikaricore> it can even use winamp 2 skins
[02:08] <seniortaco> u cant replace winamp
[02:08] <seniortaco> wait wat?!
[02:08] <seniortaco> lol
[02:08] <Minataku> !jp
[02:08] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp
[02:08] <Minataku> !cn
[02:08] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:08] <buhuai> jp
[02:09] <seniortaco> bj?
[02:09] <Minataku> !help
[02:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:09] <Minataku> Er
[02:09] <Minataku> !ops
[02:09] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[02:09] <hikaricore> seniortaco: that's enough
[02:09] <Minataku> Someone wanna get seniortaco outta here?
[02:09] <nixternal> Minataku: ?
[02:09] <Minataku> We've had enough of his trolling idiocy
[02:10] <seniortaco> just ask and i shall leave lol
[02:10] <nixternal> seniortaco: stay on topic or take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:10] <Minataku> Thanks, nixternal
[02:11] <nixternal> no, thank you Minataku
[02:11] <Minataku> np ^^
[02:11] <hikaricore> The response to our nonenglish friend was just too much :/
[02:11] <dewey> good day mates
[02:11] <dewey> okay I have kubuntu on hdb and now it will not boot
[02:11] <dewey> grub stops at stage 5
[02:12] <tetrimino> lol kubuntu is very confusing
[02:12] <dewey> can I fix that with live cd?
[02:12] <Minataku> GRUB only has 2 stages
[02:12] <hikaricore> O.o
[02:12] <Minataku> Well, 3 if you count 1.5
[02:12] <tetrimino> i just downloaded Python, but i cant exstract it? wtf
[02:12] <dewey> well, can I still fix it?
[02:12] <Minataku> Possibly
[02:12] <hikaricore> tetrimino: what file format?
[02:12] <Minataku> Not sure what's wrong to help you, though
[02:12] <tetrimino> .TGZ
[02:13] <Minataku> GZipped TAR archive
[02:13] <tetrimino> okidoki
[02:13] <Minataku> Extract with "tar xfz blah.tgz"
[02:13] <hikaricore> tar -xpvf filename
[02:13] <Minataku> hikaricore's won't work
[02:13] <Minataku> Use mine
[02:13] <dewey> hmmm maybe mbr on that hd is messed up?
[02:13] <tetrimino> again adept manager is very handy ;D
[02:13] <hikaricore> eh, always works for me, sorry
[02:13] <Minataku> hikaricore: It's gzipped
[02:14] <Minataku> It has to be filtered through that first
[02:14] <hikaricore> ohh
[02:14] <hikaricore> nevermind
[02:14] <Minataku> Otherwise tar will just spit out an error
[02:14] <jujimufu> hey guys, I am on kubuntu ffawn, and every time I try to pair my cellphone to my pc via bluetooth, when I enter the passcode on my cellphone I get a "Connection Failed" message on both devices, instead of getting a window on the PC asking me to type the password I just typed on my cellphone. Any ideas?
[02:14] <Sanne> tetrimino: why did you download python? You should have it already installed.
[02:15] <tetrimino> well maybe i have.. but i havent got the hang of Kubuntu yet
[02:15] <tetrimino> downloaded it yesterday
[02:15] <tetrimino> normally im a windows guy.. >_<
[02:16] <tetrimino> btw it said that i have gzip installed ?
[02:17] <Minataku> Kubuntu doesn't come with gzip? If that's true, I'm gonna have to reevaluate my stance on recommending it again.
[02:17] <Minataku> !bluetooth | jujimufu
[02:17] <ubotu> jujimufu: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[02:17] <Minataku> !info gzip
[02:17] <ubotu> gzip: The GNU compression utility. In component main, is required. Version 1.3.9-2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 240 kB
[02:17] <Minataku> !info tar
[02:17] <ubotu> tar: GNU tar. In component main, is required. Version 1.16-2 (feisty), package size 313 kB, installed size 1928 kB
[02:17] <Sanne> tetrimino: python is installed by default. Generally, it's better to first check if a program is available in the ubuntu repositories.  In component main, is important. Version 2.5.1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[02:19] <tetrimino> thanks
[02:19] <Minataku> It's not "required", simply "important"
[02:19] <Minataku> Whatever that means exactly :P
[02:20] <tetrimino> im gonna study then :D
[02:20] <tetrimino> see ya some other time
[02:20] <tetrimino> im sure that ill be back :D
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> see ya
[02:20] <Minataku> Sorry, the repository/package management style of *buntu (and Debian) irks me
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: Gentoo's just better eh?
[02:21] <anthony_> Can anyone tell me where I can find the system requirements for kubuntu?
[02:21] <Minataku> anthony_: On the side of the box
[02:21] <Minataku> j/k
[02:21] <Minataku> !requirements
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about requirements - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> anthony_: I'd say its about 1Ghz, and about 384MB of RAM
[02:21] <Minataku> Bah
[02:21] <Minataku> Idiot bot
[02:21] <anthony_>  a little higher than ubuntu, then.
[02:22] <Minataku> Nah, same
[02:22] <Minataku> KDE is decidedly less horrific than GNOME
[02:22] <Minataku> So probably a bit less, actually
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> KDE is a bit harder on RAM from what i've seen
[02:23] <Sanne> tetrimino: have fun :)
[02:23] <Minataku> Easier on the eyes and nerves, though
[02:23] <hikaricore> But you don't have to deal with nautilus and gnome-screensaver..
[02:23] <hikaricore> hehe
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> haha... true
[02:23] <anthony_> Minataku, is KDE decidedly less horrific than kfce?
[02:23] <Minataku> Never used xfce
[02:23] <anthony_> my bad xfce
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> to use XFCE you'd have to be a masochist
[02:23] <Minataku> I use Fluxbox
[02:23] <jujimufu> I am having problems with bluetooth. I followed the official ubuntu guide, but I still get an error when pairing my cellphone to the pc.
[02:24] <anthony_> or have an old slow machine.
[02:24] <jujimufu> Any ideas?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> unless you have lacking hardware
[02:24] <Minataku> I don't want a huge DM nor any sort of heavy WM
[02:24] <Minataku> I like my window manager to manage windows... that's about it
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: yeah.. In know.. but don't you miss klipper? I couldn't live without it
[02:24] <Minataku> No
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> *I
[02:24] <Minataku> I never used it, AFAICR
[02:25] <Minataku> pp pool?
[02:25] <Minataku> That sounds gross
[02:25] <Minataku> XD
[02:25] <anthony_> I just installed xubuntu on an old machine, and I've never used any linux distribution before, so I have no comparision point, but this is definitely lacking in some things.
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> if you ever used KDE.. you ued kilpper
[02:25] <Minataku> [20:24:51]  * prxq_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu <<<
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> what?
[02:26] <Minataku> Refresh me on what Klipper is, then
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> anthony_: like what?
[02:26] <hikaricore> clipboard manager
[02:26] <hikaricore> just like glipper
[02:26] <hikaricore> :P
[02:26] <Minataku> Nope, never used it
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: its a clipboard which can store multiple cuts...
[02:27] <hikaricore> so you can copy something from one window then paste it even after you close that window
[02:27] <Minataku> X already has similar functionality
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> I must say that klipper makes more english sense than glipper
[02:27] <Minataku> Why would I need an extra program to do that?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> and save cuts...
[02:27] <hikaricore> anthony_: xubuntu is built for lower end machines, that's why it's lacking
[02:27] <hajhouse> i have a problem with the Printers panel of the KDE System Settings: when i try to add a new printer (using the menu button) the System Settings program becomes unresponsive (i.e., it hangs)
[02:27] <hikaricore> Minataku: because gnome has no builtin clipboard support
[02:27] <anthony_> I understood that. Maybe I'll upgrade one of my other machines to kubuntu sometime.
[02:28] <Minataku> That's the point, X11 has builtin pastebuffers
[02:28] <Minataku> Two, no less
[02:28] <chuck__> !dvdrip
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdrip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <chuck__> !dvd
[02:28] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: for how long? it scans for printers and that takes a while
[02:28] <hikaricore> Minataku: but it fails if you close a window that doesn't support those buffers
[02:28] <chuck__> !k9copy
[02:28] <hikaricore> Minataku: IE firefox
[02:28] <chuck__> blah
[02:29] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: ten minutes or more. eventually a dialog pops up telling me that the program is unresponsive and offering to forcibly terminate it
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> Internet explorer? don't even say the word! you'll get me viruses by just saying the accursed phrase
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: ah ok.
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: did you log into admin mode on the bottom of that screen?
[02:30] <chuck__> !mencoder
[02:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mencoder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:30] <chuck__> !universe
[02:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:30] <hikaricore> IE = Example
[02:30] <Minataku> "IE" is best pronounced as a word, and by dragging out the "E" while running away and flailing your arms about
[02:30] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: no
[02:30] <Minataku> ;3
[02:30] <Minataku> IEEEEEEEEEEEE! *run*
[02:30] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: trying that
[02:30] <Minataku> XD
[02:31] <chuck__> anyone know what repository mencoder is?
[02:31] <chuck__> is in8?
[02:31] <Minataku> !info mencoder
[02:31] <ubotu> mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 3473 kB, installed size 8732 kB
[02:31] <Minataku> !info transcode
[02:31] <ubotu> transcode: Utility to encode raw video/audio streams. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0.2-0.8ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 2379 kB, installed size 5496 kB
[02:31] <chuck__> ohhhhh
[02:31] <Minataku> There's also that, too
[02:31] <chuck__> Minataku: I need mencoder to install k9copy apparently..... thanks
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> hikaricore: yea yeah... I know...
[02:32] <Minataku> chuck__: np
[02:34] <chuck__> this doesn't make much sense to me. I think I have multiverse enabled, but there's no installation candidate for mencoder. http://pastebin.ca/551917
[02:34] <chuck__> i have my sources.list in there, and i definitely ran an apt-get update
[02:35] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i do not understand how the administrator mode works. i clicked the 'administrator mode' button, and the printer configuration window was replaced with a window that had no controls, only what looks like a blank text box and some help text on administrator mode
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: hmm
[02:36] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: the distribution is feisty, and the printing system is cups
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: it doesn't promt you for your password?
[02:37] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: no
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: hmm..
[02:38] <hikaricore> I've had kcontrol bug out like that on some systems
[02:38] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i think i've found the problem. sudo does not work because it is not suit root
[02:40] <hikaricore> Never figured out why though
[02:40] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: suid i mean
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: ah ok.
[02:40] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: how to fix that is a problem though. :(
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: sudo doesn't work PERIOD?
[02:40] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: correct :(
[02:44] <Voyage_> is mircrosft sued for using the name vista ?
[02:44] <hikaricore> that case is going to fall out of the courts
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: are you in the sudo group?
[02:44] <hikaricore> no doubt
[02:44] <Voyage_> is mircrosft sued for using the name vista ?
[02:44] <imagine> why would they?
[02:44] <imagine> and why would we care?
[02:44] <hikaricore> it was on slashdot
[02:44] <hikaricore> lol
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> if its on slashdot.... GEEK OUT!
[02:44] <Voyage_> i saw it today
[02:44] <Voyage_> i saw the news [#LinuxChat News]  - Microsoft sued over Windows Vista name - A French television presenter has sued Microsoft for "violation of intellectual property". Philippe Gildas accused the software publisher of illegally using the trademark "Vista".
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> its just patent trolling....
[02:44] <Voyage_> hmm
[02:44] <pchilds> Is there a utility for kubuntu that can encrypt individual directaries ?
[02:44] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i'm attempting to boot in single-user mode now
[02:44] <imagine> yes and everyone sues everyone nowadays, ..you shouldn't use the word Vista anymore unless you have a letter from little Bill that says you can or you'll get sued as well
[02:45] <Voyage_> :)
[02:45] <hikaricore> Yea but i copyrighted that letter.
[02:45] <hikaricore> So blam
[02:45] <imagine> vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista
[02:45] <imagine> viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstttttttttttttttttttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[02:45] <pchilds> haha Vista some more. lol
[02:45] <imagine> hahaha
[02:45] <buhuai> cao! use vista ?meiyou juewu
[02:45] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i was *not* in the sudo group.
[02:46] <imagine> buhuai: the hell?
[02:46] <jujimufu> When I first installed kubuntu, I had managed to pair my cellphone and my pc just fine. But now, I've installed some apps such as gammu, gnome-bluetooth, wammu, bluez-utils and some others (which I don't remember), and although I can see each another, I can't pair them because the code given to the phone says it's wrong (although I am not asked for a code on the PC like I used to be asked when I first installed kubuntu)
[02:46] <jujimufu> any ideas?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: then put yourself in it...
[02:49] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i did. trying the original issue again...
[02:50] <shadowhywind> is there a way to add a user to the root group?
[02:51] <HyperCity> !pastebin
[02:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:52] <tetrimino> can anyone help me install quake 3?
[02:52] <tetrimino> i really don't understand how im supposed to do it
[02:53] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: a dialog appears that says 'su returned an error'
[02:54] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: yet oddly enough adding a printer seems to work now...the wizard starts. sudo had wrong permissions (not suid root) which i fixed
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: ok.. cool
[02:56] <kiosk> Anyone good with kmyfirewall?
[02:56] <antiroach> does anyone know how to remove the 'popouts' that happen when you launch an application in feisty fawn
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> antiroach: popouts?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> whats apps?
[02:57] <jzilla> whats the commnd to install a .deb -- is it sudo dkpg -i package.deb ?
[02:58] <antiroach> when i click on any apps in the tray (like firefox) for example for a split second i see a much bigger version of the firefox icon 'pop' out at me
[02:58] <coreymon77> antiroach: and so?
[02:59] <coreymon77> antiroach: is that really that big of a deal?
[02:59] <antiroach> and thats annoying as fuck
[02:59] <antiroach> :P
[02:59] <antiroach> i hate all the special effects and stuff in KDE. i disabled all of them
[02:59] <elbing> hi, a friend of mine without idea about english (:P) has an error with apt: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24693/
[02:59] <elbing> any idea?
[03:00] <hajhouse> where can you find the list of remebered file associationd and edit it?
[03:00] <antiroach> hajhouse configure -> konqueror -> file associations
[03:00] <coreymon77> elbing: what language does you friend speak?
[03:00] <elbing> spanish
[03:01] <elbing> we are in #kubuntu-es
[03:01] <coreymon77> there is a spanish channel
[03:01] <coreymon77> antiroach: okay, so just disable it all, that should take care of it
[03:01] <elbing> but nobody (between presents) knows about that glib error
[03:01] <jujimufu> !obexserver
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about obexserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <jujimufu> !search obex
[03:01] <ubotu> Found:
[03:01] <elbing> google tells about bug reports and somthing about dektop-utils, but didn't work
[03:01] <antiroach> coreymon77 there are several places to dispable the special effects. i have not been able to find how/where to disable that 'popout' crap
[03:02] <hajhouse> antiroach: thanks
[03:02] <jujimufu> how do I search for a package named obexserver?
[03:02] <antiroach> jujimufu apt-cache search <name>
[03:03] <jujimufu> antiroach: what I mean is, I know there is a package named obexserver, because I've seen guides on the internet which say "do apt-get install obexserver", but I can't find it when I do "sudo aptitude search obex".
[03:04] <antiroach> oh
[03:04] <antiroach> you probably have to figure out which repository it can be found in. add the repository to sources.list and do apt-get update
[03:06] <coreymon77> antiroach: my guess is its in the panel options
[03:06] <antiroach> yeah i looked. i cant find it
[03:06] <antiroach> jujimufu do a apt-cache search obex
[03:06] <antiroach> and see if any of those things in there resemble what you want
[03:06] <antiroach> maybe
[03:06] <antiroach> libopenobex1 - OBEX protocol library
[03:06] <antiroach> libopenobex1-dev - OBEX protocol library - development files
[03:06] <coreymon77> antiroach: enable mouseover effects?
[03:06] <spruleme> i'm trying to install these drivers http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/build.html , i've tried all the kernel source dirs i can find and this won't let me install to the kernel, whats the path to the kernel with kubuntu?
[03:06] <antiroach> coreymon77 thats disabled
[03:08] <antiroach> coreymon77 this behavior also happens when im browsing stuff in konqueror
[03:08] <antiroach> like when i switch folders and stuff
[03:08] <coreymon77> antiroach: have you looked throughout the appearance settings?
[03:08] <antiroach> yep
[03:09] <antiroach> it has to exist cuz i bet it would drive too many people insane if there was no way to change it heh
[03:10] <coreymon77> antiroach: not really, most people dont care
[03:10] <antiroach> um ok
[03:10] <antiroach> still doesnt help me heh
[03:10] <coreymon77> antiroach: try this
[03:10] <antiroach> it didnt do this in edgy nor dapper
[03:11] <coreymon77> antiroach: settings-keyboard and mouse-mouse-visual feedback on activation
[03:12] <antiroach> wow
[03:12] <antiroach> i love you
[03:12] <antiroach> i would have never even thought to look there.
[03:12] <coreymon77> antiroach: neiter would i
[03:12] <coreymon77> antiroach: but i figured that it was worth a shot
[03:12] <antiroach> and i dont even see how that description means that
[03:12] <antiroach> but thanks anyways!
[03:13] <antiroach> err. but anyways thanks!
[03:13] <coreymon77> antiroach: was that it?
[03:13] <antiroach> yep
[03:13] <coreymon77> antiroach: oh
[03:13] <antiroach> hence the <antiroach> wow
 i love you
[03:13] <antiroach> :)
[03:13] <coreymon77> oka
[03:13] <coreymon77> y
[03:14] <intelikey> why can't you use exclamation point in dubble quoted statements without escaping it ?
[03:15] <coreymon77> intelikey: what do you mean?
[03:15] <intelikey> example   : "test !"     or  echo "no !"
[03:15] <coreymon77> intelikey:  becuse maybe then it doesnt recognize the statement?
[03:16] <coreymon77> intelikey: i dunno, jsut guessing
[03:16] <antiroach> cuz ! is a bash shell command
[03:16] <coreymon77> or that
[03:16] <crimsun> ! is significant as a builtin to many shells
[03:16] <intelikey> echo "ERROR: $i returned an error !"
[03:16] <antiroach> just escape it. problem solved :)
[03:17] <coreymon77> ya
[03:17] <coreymon77> sometimes things are the way they are and you jsut have to live with them
[03:17] <intelikey> coreymon77 not on my box  :)
[03:18] <intelikey> this is linux.  i'll recompile bash if i have too...  :)
[03:20] <crimsun> most modern shells have builtins for !, so contextually it's not a literal ! unless escaped.  If you want ! to always work as a literal, you need a pure POSIX sh with no extensions
[03:20] <crimsun> for instance, dash does this on a Debian-based install
[03:21] <crimsun> (and Ubuntu by extension)
[03:21] <intelikey> crimsun hmmm ok.   thanks.
[03:22] <wers> what's the best app to replace KNetworkManager?
[03:22] <intelikey> that makes sense in more places than just " ! "    i may look into using dash exclusively  for scripting
[03:24] <CyberHaw1> hi.. how to login as root in kubuntu
[03:24] <intelikey> sudo -i
[03:24] <CyberHaw1> yeah i want to login to kde
[03:25] <intelikey> no can do without changing some things
[03:25] <CyberHaw1> how to do that, how to allow GDM permissions
[03:25] <intelikey> CyberHaw1 edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[03:26] <intelikey> CyberHaw1 i suppose you have set a root password ?    and let me caution that some things won't work for root.
[03:27] <CyberHaw1> thanks but the issue is that i have a usb drive
[03:27] <CyberHaw1> each time i plug it in
[03:28] <CyberHaw1> i need to su root and then load it maually
[03:28] <antiroach> you can sudo -s
[03:28] <intelikey> much easier to write a script and set sudoers to allow it without passwd
[03:32] <CyberHaw1> hmm...
[03:32] <antiroach> allow your user to mount
[03:32] <antiroach> and you should be fine
[03:32] <CyberHaw1> is their some permission that i can give to the user
[03:32] <intelikey> must be a thousand ways to clober a cammel, but some of them will get you spitted on...
[03:32] <antiroach> lol
[03:32] <CyberHaw1> i don't see a mount group to add
[03:32] <intelikey> it would be usb  or  disks
[03:34] <CyberHaw1> i tried disk it does not do any thing
[03:39] <Arwen> um, because it's insecure?
[03:41] <intelikey> and yes i can think of several reasons it's unsafe,  almost as   %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:41] <CyberHaw1> time to go bye, thanks for the help intelikey
[03:41] <CyberHaw1> bye
[03:41] <intelikey> Arwen it's only unsafe if a malicious user gets ahold of it...  :)
[03:41] <SillyZ> thinking about moving up the food chain a bit to kubuntu from ubuntu, any specific advantages im going to gain in Kubuntu other than KDE ?
[03:42] <Arwen> SillyZ, no
[03:42] <intelikey> better support ?
[03:42] <intelikey> :)
[03:42] <SillyZ> hopefully intelikey
[03:42] <Arwen> in fact, you lose all those custom config tools that are written for Ubuntu
[03:42] <SillyZ> well a lil better support for the loss of some scripts I think is well worth it
[03:42] <SillyZ> #ubuntu is bout a nightmare
[03:43] <intelikey> yeah it really is.   i needs an overflow  and limit set at about 500
[03:43] <Arwen> ye..
[03:44] <SillyZ> anyone running on a Dell E-1705 by chance?
[03:44] <SillyZ> got a philips dvdr/rw drive, can burn but its like the disc is blank after burning
[03:45] <intelikey> burner not set in dummy mode is it ?
[03:45] <intelikey> dummy mode does every thing except turn the lazor on.
[03:46] <intelikey> burner/burning app
[03:47] <SillyZ> nope
[03:47] <SillyZ> made sure of that
[03:47] <antiroach> did you try ejecting and putting the disc back in
[03:47] <antiroach> after burning
[03:48] <intelikey> did you look closely at the disk to see if it was burned or no ?
[03:48] <intelikey> well on cdr
[03:48] <SillyZ> yup
[03:48] <SillyZ> cdr's are fine, its only dvd's thats the problem
[03:48] <SillyZ> and yes, im making sure its set to dvd-5 not dvd-9
[03:49] <intelikey> !dvd
[03:49] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:49] <SillyZ> playing is fine
[03:49] <SillyZ> burning is the problem
[03:49] <intelikey> yeah i thought there as a link there about burning
[03:49] <intelikey> the infonodes don't last long....
[03:51] <antiroach> what prog do you use to burn
[03:51] <SillyZ> k ill check it out
[03:51] <SillyZ> gnomebaker atm
[03:51] <antiroach> oh. i use k3b :)
[03:51] <SillyZ> Im still in ubuntu, but I have Kubuntnu downloading now
[03:51] <antiroach> cool
[03:51] <timmay> anyone know of a way I can view IE specific webpages in kubuntu?
[03:52] <intelikey> tell your browser to ident itself as ie ?
[03:52] <timmay> how?
[03:52] <intelikey> in the settings  from the dropdown menu
[03:53] <intelikey> it's kinda browser specific
[03:53] <intelikey> and i don't use ff
[03:54] <timmay> ok
[03:55] <intelikey> doesn't look like very many of the "real help" here right now so you're stuck with us second class citicens
[03:55] <intelikey> errr crimsun excepted
[03:57] <intelikey> Daskreech live cd today ?
[03:57] <WillJitsu> I'm trying to install kubuntu on a HD that already has WinXP. I resize the WinXP partition using Partition Magic and I have 38GB of unallocated space.  When I boot from the kubuntu CD, it loads up, and I hit enter for Install.  It goes through the motions, then gets an error about unable to authenticate the user then xwindows pops up.  Says something about a critical error, I hit OK, then I have a login/pass prompt.  Any ideas what
[03:57] <Daskreech> intelikey: Every day
[03:58] <intelikey> WillJitsu bad disk
[03:58] <SillyZ> did ya md5sum that iso image ya downloaded ?
[03:58] <SillyZ> sounds like a bad disc
[03:58] <WillJitsu> hmm...  what's a good md5 checker?
[03:58] <SillyZ> uhm md5sum filename
[03:59] <WillJitsu> for windows
[03:59] <Arwen> WillJitsu, um....
[03:59] <SillyZ> md5sum-Win32
[03:59] <Arwen> when you boot the CD, there's an option "check for errors"
[03:59] <Arwen> and yeah, for Windows, you want "md5sum.exe"
[03:59] <SillyZ> ya thats it, md5sum.exe
[04:01] <WillJitsu> 1ad3c003dbcbe27b3265da23b886d047 *kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[04:01] <WillJitsu> what do i check that against?
[04:01] <Arwen> WillJitsu, WRONG. you check the files on the CD you burned
[04:01] <Daskreech> Arwen: What?
[04:01] <Daskreech> Arwen: he's right
[04:01] <Arwen> "md5sum -c <drive/mount point>/md5sums.txt"
[04:01] <Daskreech> Arwen: :-P
[04:02] <Arwen> Daskreech, no, because checking your ISO file doesn't determine whether or not you misburned it
[04:02] <Arwen> only if you downloaded a bad file
[04:02] <Daskreech> Arwen: lets take it one step at a time :)
[04:02] <WillJitsu> Arwen: well shouldn't I start with whether I downloaded a good file?
[04:02] <intelikey> anyone know where documentation for dash would be ?
[04:02] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: What's the name of the ISO fil?
[04:02] <Daskreech> intelikey: /dev/null ?
[04:02] <intelikey> Daskreech seems to be   yeah
[04:02] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: I just pasted it.  kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[04:02] <Arwen> WillJitsu, eh... whatever
[04:03] <Arwen> intelikey, um, /usr/share/doc/dash ?
[04:03] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: http://bw.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/MD5SUMS
[04:03] <Daskreech> man -k
[04:04] <Daskreech> WillJitsu:  that should help.
[04:04] <intelikey> Arwen and you have this dir ?
[04:04] <Arwen> yea
[04:04] <WillJitsu> well it looks like i downloaded a good file
[04:04] <intelikey> Arwen mmmm well i don't.   dapper must not have had that yet
[04:05] <Arwen> dash is part of bash (hint hint)
[04:05] <jwallingford> ok i have the files from .thunderbird directory that i backed up from a suse distro. I am now on kubuntu and have firefox 1.5. Is there a way to use the backed up email, accounts, and contacts from the v2 dir? I tried this before by just deleating what is in the .mozilla-thunderbird direcotry and putting in the backed up files from the .thunderbird directory. When I did this I could see my mail and accounts however I was
[04:05] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: when that checks out :) boot up and the first meu will give you an option to check the CD run that and when it fails reburn the Cd try a slower speed maybe or a new brand of CD-r
[04:05] <jwallingford> getting some odd error which i cant remember off of the top of my head
[04:05] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: will do. thanks again :)
[04:05] <Arwen> jwallingford, in english please,,,
[04:05] <intelikey> Arwen no.  dash not part of bash  i.e. bash docs have a lot that doesn't apply in dash
[04:05] <Daskreech> jwallingford: you have Tbird 2.0 ?
[04:06] <Arwen> intelikey, eh, my /usr/share/doc/dash/copyright says it is
[04:06] <Daskreech> Arwen: a subset of bash doesn't mean part of
[04:06] <Daskreech> I would guess
[04:06] <Arwen> hmm
[04:06] <jwallingford> sorry no i have tbird 1.5 right now. I had tbird 2.0 before
[04:07] <jwallingford> by .thunderbird directory i have backed up on a dvd is from tbird 2 and im trying to get all of my files back onto tbird 1.5
[04:07] <Daskreech> Arwen: ha ha that looks like reuse of code. I'll try find out and let you know
[04:07] <Arwen> jwallingford, copy the actual mail and accounts parts. Don't copy the mail.
[04:07] <Arwen> Don't copy the extensions*
[04:07] <Arwen> or the config
[04:08] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Right You can find a Tbird 2.0 deb and install it
[04:09] <jwallingford> i have kubuntu 64bit and have been very unsuccessful in getting tbird 2.0 to install :)
[04:09] <intelikey> crap search on tldp.org   "your search for 'dash' does not match any documentation"
[04:09] <jwallingford> i wish i could have tbird 2
[04:10] <intelikey> ah  ^  with docs.
[04:10] <Daskreech> intelikey: I thought the point of dash was that it is posix
[04:10] <intelikey> catch the last line  there ^
[04:11] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:12] <intelikey> i'd kinda like to have a real sh  if you know what i mean.
[04:12] <Daskreech> jwallingford: check getdeb.net
[04:12] <ahmed> guys any way to have a vedio background in ubuntu as in vista ?
[04:12] <Ace2016> Hi all
[04:12] <ahmed> ??
[04:12] <Ace2016> anyone know an app that can send stuf into the tray?
[04:13] <Ace2016> ahmed: you mean play a video as the wallpaper?
[04:13] <ahmed> yea
[04:13] <maddops770> Anyone here using a higher end NVIDIA Card?
[04:13] <ahmed> Ace2016: ??
[04:13] <Ace2016> maddops770: define higher end?
[04:14] <maddops770> 8800GT 320MB
[04:14] <Daskreech> ahmed: I think that you can do that with any video
[04:14] <Daskreech> ahmed: With a little command line fu :)
[04:14] <SillyZ> Nvidia GO-7800 here
[04:15] <SillyZ> what ya wanna know maddops770 ?
[04:15] <jwallingford> Daskreech: thunderbird isnt on the getdeb.net site
[04:15] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Hmm
[04:16] <jwallingford> http://pastebin.ca/552035  this link will show you the files i have backed up from tbrid 2
[04:16] <ahmed> Daskreech:  give an example for command line fu
[04:16] <Ace2016> ahmed: is this what your after?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=350089
[04:17] <jwallingford> and here is what i have in my .mozilla-thunderbird 1.5 dir
[04:17] <jwallingford> what do I do with the extra folders?
[04:17] <jwallingford> do they have anything i need in them?
[04:17] <ahmed> its a screen saver
[04:17] <ahmed> well i wana to place a .avi or .wmv or so video as a background
[04:18] <Daskreech> jwallingford: http://www.computechgroup.com/?p=358
[04:20] <jwallingford> Daskreech: should i remove firefox 1.5 before I do this?
[04:20] <Ace2016> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kwrap?content=54046&PHPSESSID=4d59bc04877a951068726973cba5aad7
[04:21] <Daskreech> jwallingford: are you on Kubuntu?
[04:21] <Ace2016> ahmed: try that
[04:21] <jwallingford> yes
[04:21] <jwallingford> 64bit
[04:21] <Daskreech> jwallingford: don't think it makes a difference. It might break ubuntu but Kubuntu doesn't have a huge gtk reliance
[04:22] <ahmed> Ace2016:  thx, dun have kde though
[04:22] <jwallingford> Daskreech: i dont know. I tried installing tbird 2 before and had a lot of issues.
[04:22] <jwallingford> but i guess i can try this one
[04:22] <Ace2016> ;|
[04:23] <ahmed> Ace2016:  i extracted it and ended with a kmdr file ,, wats that ?
[04:24] <Ace2016> its for kommander
[04:24] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Why do you have FF 1.5?
[04:24] <Daskreech> Feisty comes with 2
[04:24] <jwallingford> Daskreech: because that is all that is available with
[04:24] <jwallingford> Daskreech: it does?
[04:24] <intelikey> yeah why do you have ff ?
[04:24] <intelikey> oh that wasn't the question was it...
[04:25] <jwallingford> you mean tb not ff
[04:25] <jwallingford> whats wrong with ff and tb?
[04:25] <intelikey> i'm just raz'n ya
[04:25] <Daskreech> jwallingford: You asked if you shoudl get rid of Firefox 1.5
[04:25] <jwallingford> and why is it that when i goto adept it doesnt have tb 2 available?
[04:25] <Daskreech> Feisty comes with FF2
[04:25] <jwallingford> oh i ment tbird
[04:26] <Ace2016> xwinwrap -ni -o 0.6 -fs -s -st -sp -b -nf -- mplayer -wid WID -quiet -loop 0 /home/plun/Desktop/DreamScene/aurora8x6.wmv    yea that seems to be it for running stuff
[04:26] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Oh then .. sure I think
[04:26] <jwallingford> i have ff2 i need tb2 :)
[04:26] <Daskreech> remove dont' purge
[04:28] <jwallingford> Daskreech: ok i followed dir on http://www.computechgroup.com/?p=358 and when i type thunderbird into konsole i get: bash: thunderbird: command not found
[04:28] <jwallingford> i followed dir exactly "copy, paste"
[04:28] <agent> Is there a way to disable sorting of files and folders in Konqueror?
[04:29] <intelikey> agent sort by dir order ?
[04:30] <agent> intelikey: Yes and no. Not only by dir, but by file. I would like to not have any sorting done. My goal is to have Konqueror act like the Desktop where unless it is told to otherwise, it does not sort any files or folders and saves their positioning.
[04:31] <intelikey> agent dir order is "unsorted"  lists in the order they were created
[04:32] <Ace2016> intelikey: i think he wants the positions of icons saved
[04:32] <intelikey> you mean un-alined ?
[04:32] <intelikey> don't know about that...
[04:33] <agent> Ace2016: That is what I would like.
[04:34] <agent> intelikey: Yes, un-aligned. Like on the KDE desktop.
[04:34] <Daskreech> agent: try Gnome
[04:34] <Ace2016> someone in #kde might know but i don't  think its possible
[04:34] <intelikey> don't know anything about it agent   never tried.
[04:34] <Daskreech> Gnome has a spatial desktop
[04:34] <agent> Daskreech: No thank you. :)
[04:34] <Daskreech> sounds like you used to use Mac
[04:34] <agent> Ace2016: Yeah, I do not think it is possible either.
[04:35] <Daskreech> agent: ask in #kde :-)
[04:35] <intelikey> agent you could use nautilus for that    wouldn't have to be all of gnome.
[04:35] <jwallingford> Daskreech: ok how do I undo what was done from http://www.computechgroup.com/?p=358
[04:35] <jwallingford> its not working
[04:35] <agent> Daskreech: No. I just wanted to play around with neat file navigation ideas. Sort of like lowfat.
[04:36] <Daskreech> jwallingford: remove the folder from /opt
[04:36] <Ace2016> jwallingford: what do you mean its not working do you get an error?
[04:36] <jwallingford> yes
[04:36] <Daskreech> agent: install lowfat :-P :)
[04:37] <jwallingford> Daskreech: bash: thunderbird: command not found
[04:39] <maddops770> Does anyone hav any experience installing the AMD64 driver for Nvidia for the higher end cards 100.xx.xx
[04:39] <agent> intelikey: But Konqueror is much more powerful: split windows, embedding, built in 'quicky' terminal, etc.. I was just trying to see if I could expand it further with minimal coding. ;) And yes, I can install lowfat (and have), but that's not the point. If I wanted lowfat I wouldn't have bothered trying to do something somewhat similar in Konqueror. I was hoping it may be easy to add a compositing file preview or something of tha
[04:39] <agent> No big deal though.
[04:40] <Daskreech> jwallingford: is it in your path?
[04:40] <intelikey> agent jucato would be a good one to discuss that with.  unfortunately he's absent without leave
[04:41] <agent> intelikey: Is jucato a KDE developer?
[04:41] <Lam_> where does KDE Menu Editor save its entry files? one of my entries refuses to save so i'm going to edit it manually
[04:41] <jwallingford> Daskreech: its not in /opt
[04:41] <Daskreech> jwallingford: where did you extract it to?
[04:42] <intelikey> agent developer yes.  kde specific no.
[04:42] <jwallingford> I just copied and past the code from that site. I thought it installed it :)
[04:42] <Daskreech> agent: you should really be trying hit up dolphin :)
[04:43] <Daskreech> jwallingford: ha ha can you do history | tail 20  then pastebin it?
[04:43] <intelikey> :)
[04:43] <jwallingford> haha wow im dumb. forgot to extract
[04:44] <jwallingford> Daskreech: ok this is the error i get and have been getting when i try to launch thunderbird: /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh: 424: /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: not found
[04:44] <Daskreech> or copy and paste eh? :-)
[04:45] <agent> Daskreech: Why? Dolphin is a "simplified" file manager. Konqueror is the more "advanced" file manager. Seems like Konqueror is the best bet for such things. Not to mention that it already has more functionality than any other file manager on KDE or GNOME which would make things easier.
[04:47] <Daskreech> agent: they share code in any case so anything in one will find it's way into he other but dolphin is considered more experimental so I'd advise hitting up devs in #kde4-devel with the idea
[04:47] <mike_> i have no maximize/minimize buttons in beryl?
[04:47] <Daskreech> jwallingford: I'm not sure waht you have done so .. I'd say figure out where you extracted it
[04:47] <jwallingford> i did figure it out its in /opt
[04:47] <agent> Daskreech: Thank you for the tips!
[04:47] <Daskreech> !beryl
[04:47] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:48] <Daskreech> jwallingford: in thunderbird ?
[04:48] <jwallingford> i extracted all files to /opt/thunderbird
[04:48] <Daskreech> agent: sure. Hope you get it into testing. I'd hate it but it's bound to attract some Fruits :)
[04:49] <Daskreech> jwallingford: cool find thunderbird-bin under that
[04:49] <jwallingford> but when i run thunderbird in konsole i get: /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh: 424: /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: not found
[04:49] <jwallingford> ok
[04:49] <jwallingford> Daskreech: Ok I see thunderbird-bin
[04:50] <Daskreech> jwallingford: what is the path to it?
[04:50] <jwallingford>  opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin
[04:51] <intelikey> ~/opt ?
[04:51] <Daskreech> jwallingford: opt or /opt ?
[04:51] <jwallingford>  /opt sorry
[04:53] <jwallingford> the only thing i see on google about this is written in german or something
[04:53] <Daskreech> the link I gave you was in English :)
[04:53] <Daskreech> jwallingford: there is a /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh I guess ?
[04:54] <jwallingford> Daskreech: I know. That is how I installed tbird 2... i followed those dir's exactly and now i am getting this error. the only pages on google i could find about this error were in german
[04:54] <Daskreech> what are you doing to run thunderbird?
[04:54] <Daskreech> Just typing thunderbird ?
[04:55] <jwallingford> yes
[04:55] <jwallingford> should i try and run mozilla-installer-bin? thats in the thunderbird dir
[04:56] <Daskreech> jwallingford: What happens if you just run thunderbird-bin directly
[04:56] <Daskreech> hi mike_
[04:57] <Corpis> does kubuntu have makeinstall?
[04:57] <Daskreech> !b-e | Corpis
[04:57] <ubotu> Corpis: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:58] <jwallingford> what do i need to do to run thunderbird-bin? if i just type in thunderbird-bin in konsold i get bash: thunderbird-bin: command not found
[04:58] <Daskreech> jwallingford: use the full path
[04:58] <jwallingford> i am in the thunderbird dir
[04:59] <jwallingford> bash: /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: No such file or directory
[04:59] <Daskreech> jwallingford: I thought you said there was one there?
[05:00] <jwallingford> there is :)
[05:01] <jwallingford> http://rafb.net/p/mjQ80H21.html
[05:01] <jwallingford> those are all of the files in the /opt/thunderbird dir
[05:01] <jwallingford>  ls -l
[05:02] <zach__> Greets, everyone...
[05:02] <jwallingford> hello
[05:03] <jwallingford> zach__:
[05:04] <Daskreech> jwallingford: did you rerun the last three lines from the article after you extracted the tarball?
[05:04] <zach__> I'm switching the family desktop at my aunt's over to Kubuntu, and I want all the users to have the same settings. Would it be safe to just log into each account and copy the contents of the home folder for the one I already set up into that user's home folder? (Sorry for the stilted wording, not sure how else to put it.)
[05:05] <jwallingford> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.trogu.it/2007/04/25/installare-thunderbird-2-su-ubuntu-704/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D/opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh:%2B424:%2B/opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin:%2Bnot%2Bfound%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US:official%26hs%3DXiB
[05:06] <zach__> e.g., Set up everything the way I want it for Zach's account, log into Connor's account, and copy everything from /home/zach/ into /home/connor - Would that cause problems?
[05:06] <Daskreech> zach__: set the settings that you want in /etc/skel before you start making users
[05:07] <Daskreech> zach__: all new users get the settings from /etc/skel
[05:07] <jwallingford> Daskreech: yes i did
[05:08] <zach__> Daskreech: Not sure if I follow you. So should I just do "sudo cp -R /home/zach/* /etc/skel" and then set up the accounts?
[05:09] <Daskreech> jwallingford: what do you get if you do a cd /opt/thunderbird ; ./thunderbird
[05:09] <Daskreech> zach__: do you plan to have an account for you?
[05:10] <lostchild> Hello! Does anyone have any experience with ISPConfig?
[05:10] <zach__> Umm... I've already set mostly everything up for Zach
[05:10] <zach__> But that account's already in place, if that's what you're asking (it's the one that was used during installation)
[05:10] <jwallingford> ./run-mozilla.sh: 424: ./thunderbird-bin: not found
[05:11] <lostchild> I could use a hand with a login problem I've run in to, can anyone help?
[05:12] <Daskreech> zach__: Right. That account is setup the way you want all others to be setup ?
[05:13] <zach__> Daskreech: Right.
[05:13] <intelikey> lostchild say it
[05:13] <lostchild> Thank you!
[05:14] <Daskreech> zach__: cp -R ~zach/* ~zach/.* /etc/skel
[05:14] <lostchild> I recently installed ISPConfig, got it and all it's services running. Then I decided I would remove the username prefix.
[05:14] <intelikey> ????   ~zach  is the name ?
[05:14] <Daskreech> zach__: though you may want a backup of the default /etc/skel first
[05:14] <Daskreech> intelikey: that's the impression I got
[05:14] <zach__> Daskreech: Will do. Thanks a lot, that's a huge help.
[05:15] <lostchild> So naturally I had to delete the username and recreate it, with that done, I can no longer login at the shell with that user
[05:15] <Daskreech> zach__: I would say make a backup of /etc/skel first. If you make a huge error somewhere you can always restore that
[05:15] <jwallingford> Daskreech: give up on me?
[05:15] <intelikey> zach__ just a note.   ~zach != ~/zach
[05:15] <lostchild> The machine simply kicks me back to the login prompt. Ubuntu 7.04 Server
[05:16] <zach__> intelikey: I know. Thanks. :-)
[05:16] <zach__> Alright, cool. Thanks again, Daskreech. G'nite.
[05:17] <ciccio> hello!
[05:17] <intelikey> lostchild grep <username> /etc/passwd
[05:17] <lostchild> Hmm one sec
[05:17] <ciccio> Can yuo speack italian
[05:17] <intelikey> !it
[05:17] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:17] <Daskreech> jwallingford: you have done something wrong :) not sure what.
[05:18] <ciccio> tanks
[05:18] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu
[05:18] <Daskreech> jwallingford: can you grep thunderbird-bin /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh
[05:18] <lostchild> If it lists /bin/false does that indicate that the user has no home directory or shell associated with it?
[05:18] <intelikey> that indicates the user has no shell
[05:18] <Daskreech> lostchild: it means the user will be logged out as soon as they login
[05:19] <intelikey> you login and it runs /bin/false as your shell
[05:19] <lostchild> Yes, thank you both!
[05:19] <jwallingford> Daskreech: I dont know how to grep
[05:20] <intelikey> you can login without a home.  it will failsafe to /  but you can't login without a shell
[05:20] <Daskreech> jwallingford:grep thunderbird-bin /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh
[05:20] <lostchild> I haven't been very successful at finding user management information for Ubuntu
[05:20] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu, I did remove it but keeps sayinI still vave installed, any idea where to start digging?
[05:20] <Daskreech> lostchild: It's the same as Linux in general.
[05:20] <intelikey> lostchild man useradd    man usermod    man userdel
[05:21] <jwallingford> Daskreech: when i do that nothing happens
[05:21] <lostchild> I thought as much, also I'm still learning Linux, most of my experience is with Unix and M$
[05:21] <Daskreech> jwallingford: then why...
[05:21] <jwallingford> Daskreech: http://rafb.net/p/oVMXP433.html
[05:21] <intelikey> lostchild there is a 'groups & users'  GUI as well in kde
[05:22] <lostchild> Yes, but gui's require resources I cannot spare, and I like the command line.
[05:22] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu, I did remove it but keeps sayinI still vave installed, any idea where to start digging?
[05:23] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu, I did remove it but keeps saying I still have installed, any idea where to start digging?
[05:23] <intelikey> lostchild i stand under you.
[05:23] <Daskreech> al_: how did you install it?
[05:23] <lostchild> Thank you that worked! Mostly I needed a sounding board and the users in the #Ubuntu room were not very helpful.
[05:23] <al_> rpm
[05:24] <Daskreech> al_: eh?
[05:24] <al_> rpm converted
[05:24] <al_> with alien
[05:24] <rodrigo_> hello
[05:25] <rodrigo_> does anybody
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Hmm. vmware tools is a package you install on the OS in the virtual machine isent it?
[05:25] <intelikey> Mem usage: 33/250 MB (13%)      running audacity in blackbox digitizing casett tape to .ogg audio    as we speak....
[05:25] <Daskreech> al_: what does which vmware say ?
[05:25] <rodrigo_> can help me installing cinerela
[05:25] <lostchild> intelikey: Do you have much experience with email servers?
[05:25] <rodrigo_> Im a newby in linux
[05:25] <Dr_willis> there was no need to use the rpm package either I belive they got debs
[05:25] <Daskreech> !cinelera
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cinelera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <rodrigo_> I need some to guide me to the process of installation
[05:25] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: can you join #ubuntustudio ?
[05:26] <al_> yep, I am using ubuntu on a vmware machine, I installed the vmware tools but did not work so I want to completelly remove it
[05:26] <rodrigo_> daskreech that's for media?
[05:26] <intelikey> lostchild no.  sorry.   i did kinda set one up one time with fetchmail and sendmail  but that was just a learing exp.   nothing more.
[05:26] <lostchild> Or you Daskreech?
[05:26] <rodrigo_> useres
[05:26] <Dr_willis> al_,  odd. ive had it work befor for me.
[05:26] <wsjunior> what's the reason that kubuntu comes with openoffice installed by default instead koffice?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> al_,  but i did use the debs
[05:26] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: No they are an Ubuntu derivative who have extensive cinelera experience
[05:26] <Daskreech> lostchild: sorry?
[05:26] <rodrigo_> ok thanks daskreech
[05:26] <rodrigo_> !
[05:27] <Daskreech> wsjunior: we are moving to a koffice by default
[05:27] <intelikey> Daskreech he asked about mailserver exp.
[05:27] <lostchild> No problem, I was just wondering.
[05:27] <lostchild> brb
[05:27] <Daskreech> Soon as it catches up some more with Oo.o for compatibilty
[05:27] <Daskreech> !email
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about email - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <al_> ok, let me explain a little more. I had only one rpm so I used alien to conver it to deb... the I installed the deb and failed
[05:27] <Daskreech> Dumb bot
[05:27] <Daskreech> al_: vmware is on the servers
[05:27] <Daskreech> !vmware
[05:27] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[05:28] <Dr_willis> al_,  last i looked. I used the vmware 'install vmware tools' feature and it mounted a cd image that had the deb packages.
[05:28] <wsjunior> Daskreech: U mean .doc support?!
[05:28] <rodrigo_> also any one can help me to install my Lexmark
[05:28] <rodrigo_> scanner printer?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> I dont use alien, so cant help ya with alien-removeable-packages issues. sorry
[05:28] <Daskreech> al_: and if you add the commercial repos then you get more stuff I think
[05:28] <Daskreech> wsjunior: I'm not sure I got the feeling it was overall support
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Daskreech,  hes installing the vmware tools on a ubuntu install inside a vmware session. :) is what i think hes doing.
[05:28] <Daskreech> wsjunior: for example kexi has much better .mdb support so it's installed by default
[05:29] <Daskreech> Dr_willis: ah that's out of my scope
[05:29] <al_> ok, I'll give a try to the links.
[05:29] <al_> yeap I know I screw it up lol, I just want to fix the mess... thanks for the help ya all
[05:30] <intelikey> "the only way people should ever run linux is inside a vertual machine in windows"
[05:31] <al_> yep, that is what i have a windows runing vmware to get rid of windows :-(
[05:31] <al_> I can not remove windows on this very one machine ... thanks again
[05:37] <el> hello
[05:37] <Daskreech> al_: Sorry I couldn't help
[05:37] <Daskreech> jwallingford: What directory are you in?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Has anyone downloaded falconseye?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> It's a nethack clone with a GI, it lags for some reason though.
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Any thoughts?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> And it skips right to Pick a role
[05:40] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: I grabbed it when it just came out like a year and half ago or something
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Never mind, it's running smooth now >.>
[05:40] <K-Ryan> I played the Windows version way back
[05:40] <K-Ryan> And found it in the repos the other day
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Usually I'm not into rogue likes just because of the difficulty, but with a GI it's easier
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Except for DOOM The Rogue-Like
[05:41] <K-Ryan> That's fun =)
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Nice and simple...
[05:41] <K-Ryan> And now it's lagging again -.-
[05:42] <Daskreech> :-)
[05:42] <Daskreech> may want to do some metrics to see what's being eaten up
[05:42] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[05:43] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: watch the system guard and see if Memory or CPU or Disk spikes when it lags
[05:43] <K-Ryan> Well the thing is, only the app lags
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Everything else runs fine
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Like Konversation while chatting
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Or Amarok playing music
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Of course with the except of Konversation I turned it all off
[05:44] <K-Ryan> But still, *shrug*
[05:44] <K-Ryan> I think it's the music
[05:44] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: Yeah LInux is really cool when it comes to stuff lilke that
[05:44] <K-Ryan> How do I turn it off?
[05:45] <K-Ryan> As in, what would I tack onto "falconseye" to disable sound, if you know.
[05:45] <K-Ryan> Can't find an ingame option to turn it off
[05:46] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: read the man page on it
[05:46] <K-Ryan> =(
[05:46] <mattrperry> I have a couple of questions that I'm hoping someone can direct me on...
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Ask away
[05:47] <lostchild> Does anyone have any experience with ISPConfig and postfix?
[05:47] <lostchild> matperry: shoot
[05:47] <lostchild> mattperry* sorry
[05:47] <Daskreech> lostchild: if you apt-get postfix it should be good to go as long as you have a proper setup hostname
[05:47] <mattrperry> can someone point me in the right direction as to how to find out how to make sure that adept update runs at startup when using beryl/kubuntu?
[05:48] <Daskreech> mattrperry: startup of the computer or on login ?
[05:48] <mattrperry> login
[05:48] <jwallingford> Daskreech: /opt/thunderbird
[05:48] <Daskreech> !autostart | mattrperry
[05:48] <ubotu> mattrperry: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:49] <Daskreech> jwallingford: what does ./thunderbird do ?
[05:49] <artabrahao>  what is the mc packag name?
[05:49] <intelikey> mc
[05:49] <Dr_willis> !info mc
[05:49] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[05:50] <lostchild> Daskreech right, I have it setup. When I removed the prefix from the ISPConfig settings I had to recreate my user. That was what cause my user problems. Now I can't send recieve email to that address. The server returns "Relay access denied", it was working.
[05:50] <artabrahao> when I type apt-get install mc dont find the package
[05:51] <Daskreech> artabrahao: you probably don't have universe
[05:51] <intelikey> konsole: mc    doesn't start it ?
[05:51] <intelikey> oh apt doesn't find it...   duh.
[05:52] <intelikey> !repos
[05:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:52] <jwallingford> Daskreech:  ./run-mozilla.sh: 424: ./thunderbird-bin: not found
[05:52] <artabrahao> its a fresh install, maybe repositort
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Daskreech: Homepage has nothing on it =(
[05:53] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: home page ?
[05:54] <K-Ryan> Of Falconseye
[05:54] <Daskreech> jwallingford: and ./run-mozilla.sh
[05:54] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: look at the man
[05:54] <lostchild> SIlly question, what's the command to display name server list?
[05:54] <K-Ryan> What?
[05:54] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: open konqueror and type man:/falconseye
[05:54] <mattrperry> ubotu, I am still a little green on all this...is there a list of commands somewhere that I can follow to setup the updater to auto check for updates at login etc?
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Ah!
[05:55] <Daskreech> mattrperry: adept_updater does that by default
[05:55] <K-Ryan> mattrperry: Ubotu is the information bot
[05:55] <Daskreech> mattrperry: Do you see an orange box with a Exclamation mark in the system tray ?
[05:55] <mattrperry> no
[05:56] <intelikey> Daskreech remember "beryl" there
[05:56] <mattrperry> I used to before I installed beryl
[05:56] <Daskreech> intelikey: that kills kicker ?
[05:56] <intelikey> Daskreech idk.
[05:56] <mattrperry> now that I installed beryl it doesn't come up anymore
[05:56] <Daskreech> mattrperry: ah that would be a problem :)
[05:57] <artabrahao> Why in a new installation I cant connectu via putty?
[05:57] <jwallingford> Daskreech: run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute .
[05:57] <intelikey> artabrahao kdm not listening.
[05:58] <Daskreech> jwallingford: and ./thunderbird-bin
[05:58] <Daskreech> artabrahao: install openssh
[05:59] <rodrigo> hi there
[05:59] <Daskreech> mattrperry: in autostart you can run adept_updater if you want a GUI prompt
[05:59] <intelikey> ssh is a metapackage that will install openssh-server and openssh-client
[05:59] <rodrigo> kaskreech
[05:59] <rodrigo> can you tell me how do I get into the root
[05:59] <rodrigo> in the console?
[05:59] <rodrigo> Im a newby in Linux
[05:59] <rodrigo> I want to install a program
[05:59] <intelikey> sudo -i
[05:59] <intelikey> !root | rodrigo
[05:59] <ubotu> rodrigo: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:59] <Daskreech> rodrigo: you don't need to be root to install a program most of the time
[06:00] <Daskreech> rodrigo: which program ?
[06:00] <jwallingford> Daskreech: bash: ./thunderbird-bin: No such file or directory
[06:00] <Daskreech> purpleposeidon: what's wrong with alt+left ?
[06:00] <rodrigo> daskreech cinelerra
[06:00] <intelikey> who edited that infonode ?
[06:00] <Daskreech> jwallingford: it is there though?
[06:00] <purpleposeidon> Daskreech: unspoken standards
[06:01] <intelikey> purpleposeidon khotkeys
[06:01] <mattrperry> where is autostart?
[06:01] <Daskreech> rodrigo: right
[06:01] <purpleposeidon> alt-s h
[06:01] <purpleposeidon> alt-s hback
[06:01] <intelikey> !autostart | mattrperry
[06:01] <ubotu> mattrperry: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
 tks
[06:02] <Daskreech> mattrperry: did you read what ubotu said?
[06:02] <Daskreech>  oh :)
[06:02] <mattrperry> yes but I don't understand it
[06:02] <rodrigo> daskreech you are the first person who send me understandable info about kubuntu
[06:02] <ira> can some one tell me why my printer will only print in monochrom after selecting the correct printer in Kubunbtu ?
[06:03] <ira> I am using cups
[06:03] <Daskreech> mattrperry: in the Folder ~/.kde/Autostart you can make a link to adept_update
[06:03] <Daskreech> +r
[06:03] <Dr_willis> check the printer settings. I noticed that some times they pick odd defaults.
[06:03] <rodrigo> daskreech: so how can I use sudo for installing the program?
[06:03] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Hopefully i was the first person to talk to you
[06:03] <Daskreech> rodrigo: you spoke to #ubuntustudio already ?
[06:03] <rodrigo> daskreech: not really lol
[06:04] <rodrigo> yep nobody is out there
[06:04] <Daskreech> blast
[06:04] <jwallingford_> sorry Daskreech my wireless was interupted there for a sec.
[06:04] <Daskreech> how do you have cinelerra ?
[06:04] <rodrigo> and cause Im just a recent linuxer I don't have too much linux
[06:04] <rodrigo> culture
[06:04] <ira> Thank you my printer is selected correctly
[06:04] <jwallingford_> yes the thunderbird-bin is in the thunderbird dir
[06:05] <Daskreech> rodrigo: how did you get it? from the website ?
[06:05] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: It's there though isn't it?
[06:05] <ira> Dr_willis any other ideas?
[06:05] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: yes it is
[06:05] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: That's really wrong
[06:06] <rodrigo> daskreech: from the website
[06:06] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: who are you logged in as?
[06:06] <rodrigo> daskreech I found some installation website
[06:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok well then type sudo -i
[06:06] <Daskreech> it will ask for a password. It wants your password
[06:06] <rodrigo> daskreech: where in the console?
[06:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: affter that you can just follow the site
[06:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[06:07] <rodrigo> daskreech: thanks
[06:07] <rodrigo> daskreech: Hope it works
[06:07] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: username is jwallingford
[06:07] <Daskreech> rodrigo: as do I
[06:07] <ira> any ohter cups ideas?
[06:07] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: all the files are owned by root.
[06:07] <WillJitsu> my installation of kubuntu locked up at 51%.  I had to restart the computer.  I was installing on the same HD that I have windows xp installed.  Now the computer won't boot.  Is there any way to get back into Windows now?
[06:07] <Daskreech> It shouldn't make a stirstick of difference
[06:08] <Daskreech> but ...
[06:08] <jwallingford_> ok so i need to do sudo thunderbird?
[06:08] <ira> I went to #cups but they werent home
[06:08] <jwallingford_> same error
[06:08] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: Yeah You have a windows Cd ?
[06:08] <intelikey> shoot.  audacity doesn't delete it's temp files when you close them and it just used 100% of my hd
[06:08] <Babble> newbie question, sorta: should I be worried that the installer dialog in the 7.04 installer isn't giving me a progress bar?
[06:08] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: no you shouldn't have to
[06:08] <Babble> (it does seem to be copying/installing)
[06:08] <intelikey> that means the last 45minutes of recording will have to be redone.
[06:09] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: yeah I do.  I tried fixmbr and fixboot. neither fixed it
[06:09] <ira> Babble give it 20 min
[06:09] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: hmm.
[06:09] <Babble> ira: thanks :)
[06:10] <ira> ok no one on the cups problem?
[06:10] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: please don't tell me I'm screwed :)
[06:10] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: i dont care if i have to use kmail i just want my old emails, settings, and contacts :)
[06:11] <rodrigo_> daskreech: it didnt' work: Couldn't find package cinelerra
[06:11] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: I doubt you are we just need to figure out how much damage has been done
[06:11] <rodrigo_> daskreech I downloaded the  program and I have it in my pc
[06:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: what did you type
[06:11] <ira> I think if you get throught the kubuntu install grub will fix it
[06:12] <rodrigo_> daskreech: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_2.html#SEC18
[06:12] <rodrigo_> what says in there
[06:12] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: how soon do you need them?
[06:12] <rodrigo_> daskreech:  in how to install it in ubuntu
[06:12] <rodrigo_> with the console
[06:12] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: you are 64 bit?
[06:12] <rodrigo_> ah how I miss the windows setups!
[06:12] <ira> whats the key comment to wite the name for you here?
[06:13] <rodrigo_> no I think Im 32 bits
[06:13] <rodrigo_> processor
[06:13] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: ok and you are in feisty?
[06:13] <Daskreech> Hi Jucato :)
[06:13] <rodrigo_> I'm not really shure what is feisty but when I use the add remove programs thing it always says that feisty thing
[06:13] <Daskreech> agent wanted to talk to you
[06:14] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: i would like them right now :)
[06:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: ah ok :)
[06:14] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: I just replied a repair installation and it went through the whole thing, rebooted, and that same boot error is coming up :(
[06:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: can you tell me the name of the cinelera file that you have?
[06:14] <rodrigo_> sure
[06:14] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: no idea why I typed "replied"... I meant "ran"
[06:14] <Jucato> Daskreech: hm?
[06:14] <ira> Willjitsu can you try reinstalling Kubiuntu
[06:15] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: You ran a repair install? how did you do that?
[06:15] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: from the win xp cd
[06:15] <ira> Daskreech you can do that via the cd
[06:15] <Daskreech> Jucato: soon talk to you I'm putting out fires :)
[06:15] <rodrigo_> daskreech: sure is  cinelerra-2.1-src.tar.bz2
[06:15] <Daskreech> !info cinelerra
[06:15] <ubotu> Package cinelerra does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:15] <WillJitsu> ira: I can try, but I doubt it's gonna work.  I think it might be a bad cd or something
[06:15] <Jucato> Daskreech: hm.. ok...
[06:15] <Daskreech> !find cinelerra
[06:16] <Jucato> I might not be available for the next hour or so
[06:16] <ira> the issue is the MBR for Willjitsu
[06:16] <rodrigo_> daskreech: I feel like in the kinder garden drawing happy suns whit linux
[06:16] <ubotu> Package/file cinelerra does not exist in feisty
[06:16] <rodrigo_> daskreech: lol
[06:16] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: ok just doing some quick checks
[06:16] <ira> can you get to the command line in xp?
[06:16] <rodrigo_> daskreech: thanks
[06:16] <Daskreech> ira: he can't boot is the issue so I would guess no :)
[06:16] <WillJitsu> ira: only the recovery console from the boot cd
[06:16] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: you are on the live Cd now?
[06:16] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: no I'm on a separate winxp computer
[06:17] <ira> ok from the command line "fixboot"
[06:17] <WillJitsu> ira: I tried both fixboot and fixmbr
[06:17] <WillJitsu> ira: neither worked
[06:17] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: Ok what did they return? no errors?
[06:17] <ira> i think that works like the old fdisk /MBR
[06:17] <rodrigo_> daskreech: do you know any chanell related to printers?
[06:17] <ira> cups
[06:17] <Daskreech> !printer
[06:17] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:17] <rodrigo_> daskreech; and scaner
[06:17] <Daskreech> #cups probably
[06:18] <ira> no one is home in #cups
[06:18] <intelikey> sane for scanners
[06:18] <WillJitsu> ira: no errors, says it was written correctly
[06:18] <ira> there is one more command let me look it up
[06:18] <rodrigo_> thanks
[06:18] <WillJitsu> ira: I think you're thinking of FIXMBR.  I tried it too :(
[06:18] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: what kind of computer do you have? Intel Amd?
[06:19] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: what error do you get?
[06:19] <ira> kixmbr is the other command
[06:19] <ira> sorry fixmbr
[06:19] <Daskreech> fixboot I think
[06:19] <ira> at the end of the jibberish say "y"
[06:19] <rodrigo_> daskreech an amd
[06:20] <rodrigo_> daskreech sempron
[06:20] <ira> how do i shortcut a name here?
[06:21] <ira> then i think your back to reinstall of xp
[06:21] <ira> sorry linux
[06:21] <intelikey> WillJitsu could also go ahead and install grub
[06:21] <ira> pe builder can help you with xp
[06:21] <ira> I agree grub is the key
[06:21] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type sudo echo deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./ >> /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:21] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: wait
[06:21] <rodrigo_> I believe there is no drivers in linux
[06:21] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: would that be possiable?
[06:22] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type sudo echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' >> /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:22] <WillJitsu> ira: I'm loading up the Ultimate Boot CD right now to see if there's something I can use
[06:22] <WillJitsu> there's a program called mbrfix, but there's several options
[06:22] <Daskreech> ira: shortcut a name ?
[06:22] <Daskreech> !tab | ira
[06:22] <ubotu> ira: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:22] <intelikey> WillJitsu also testdisk  in the live CD
[06:22] <ira> thanks
[06:23] <mariano> hi there
[06:23] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: ok i am going to remove thunderbird from /opt and im going to install thunderbird using adep i guess
[06:23] <ira> Daskreech: yea!
[06:23] <mariano> nice to meet you guys
[06:23] <Daskreech> intelikey: that can look at boot errors?
[06:24] <ira> WillJitsu: googel the command
[06:24] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: I'd remove the thunderbid folder and then try reextract it
[06:24] <intelikey> multiple avanues for the removal of the felion epdurmas
[06:24] <ira> WillJitsu: google mbrfix
[06:25] <ira> ok last chance any cups guys?
[06:25] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: ok
[06:25] <ira> an some one tell me why my printer will only print in monochrom after selecting the correct printer in Kubunbtu ?
[06:25] <rodrigo_> daskreech it didnt' work
[06:25] <Daskreech> ira: #cups is dead?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> i have fuound the cups web interface to have more options then the kde or gnome cups interfaces
[06:25] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: what did it say ?
[06:25] <rodrigo_> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[06:25] <rodrigo_> rodrigo@rodrigo-desktop:~$
[06:26] <intelikey> ira no.    but have you tried   browser  <IP_ADDRESS>:631   ?
[06:26] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: the line you put in started with sudo echo ?
[06:27] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[06:27] <intelikey> Daskreech can't sudo the echo    echo 'blah' | sudo tee -a file
[06:27] <Dr_willis> howdies
[06:27] <Daskreech> intelikey: ahhh
[06:27] <ira> intelikey: nice says controlled by printout mode
[06:28] <intelikey> redirrects and pipes are owned by the console not the user.  the user owns the console and sudo affects the command not the console.
[06:28] <ira> but what ever i print is B&W
[06:28] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:29] <Daskreech> intelikey: and echo is a builtin
[06:29] <Daskreech> which can be overridden ..
[06:29] <intelikey> Daskreech yes but also a command  file /bin/echo
[06:29] <Daskreech> intelikey: unlike stupid cd :-P
[06:31] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: ok followed directions same as before on website and still get same error
[06:31] <ira> damn cups page is still B&W
[06:31] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: this is the same error i have been getting, even after reformat and reinstall
[06:31] <intelikey> well one could /bin/dash cd path   i guess and get something that wasn't built into bash   ???
[06:32] <rodrigo> daskreech: are you there
[06:32] <rodrigo> ??
[06:32] <intelikey> ira sorry.   i really know nothing about printers/cupsys
[06:32] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: ok .. install tb 1.5 there should be a tb 2 deb by next week
[06:32] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Noo shhhhhhhh :)
[06:32] <ira> well i liked the web page
[06:32] <rodrigo> daskreech
[06:32] <rodrigo> sorry
[06:33] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Sup?
[06:33] <rodrigo> my electricity suplier had gone for a long
[06:33] <rodrigo> daskreech
[06:33] <ira> ok thanks all i iwll try #cups maybe they will be home tomorrow
[06:33] <intelikey> ira that's the default cupsys way to admin cups
[06:33] <WillJitsu> ira: ok mbrfix.exe is definitely not working.  when I list the partitions, I see my windows partition, plus 2 linux ones.  do you think the problem has to do with it seeing those linux partitions?  i.e. if I deleted them would it fix the windows one?
[06:33] <Daskreech> yes?
[06:33] <Daskreech> rodrigo: want the command again ?
[06:33] <rodrigo> daskreech it didn't work
[06:33] <rodrigo> please
[06:33] <ira> WillJitsu: no
[06:33] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:33] <Dr_willis> WillJitsu,  i doubt that.
[06:34] <rodrigo> daskreech all at the same time?
[06:34] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[06:34] <rodrigo> daskreech: just copy paste?
[06:34] <ira> WillJitsu: can you try reinsalling Kubuntu?
[06:34] <WillJitsu> ira: yeah lemme give it a try
[06:34] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes from echo to the end
[06:34] <intelikey> WillJitsu not a chance.  but hey it's worth trying  cause if you reinstall linux it will redo all that anyway....
[06:34] <rodrigo> daskreech: Ok I'm doing ith
[06:34] <rodrigo> it
[06:35] <ira> WillJitsu: I think grub wiill fix that at the end
[06:35] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: if that computer has net you acn talk to us from there
[06:35] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: alright thank you
[06:35] <Daskreech> ira: don't see how :)
[06:35] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: if you hang out here a few times a week I'll shout at you when it comes out
[06:35] <ira> becase grub sets up a bootloader for xp
[06:36] <Daskreech> !info mozilla-thunderbird gutsy
[06:36] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: alright thank you so much for your help
[06:36] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Transition package for mozilla-thunderbird rename. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>~rc1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 57 kB, installed size 104 kB
[06:36] <intelikey> Daskreech if the problem is MBR related it prolly will if the problem is boot sector of the partition it wont.
[06:36] <ira> and bypasses the mbr boot
[06:36] <WillJitsu> ira: yeah grub probably would fix it at the end, but I haven't been able to get that far.  it locked up at 51% last time which is why I'm here :)
[06:36] <Daskreech> ira: yeah but if Windows can't boot that doesn't make a difference
[06:37] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: unless you want to be crazy and get the Gutsy package >_<
[06:37] <intelikey> if the problem is that stupido M$ crap of a system restore partition.....
[06:37] <rodrigo> daskreech: echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:37] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: run the Cd check first to make sure
[06:37] <ira> Daskreech: my reasoning it that grub will asitane control of the boot secor
[06:37] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[06:37] <rodrigo> daskreech: its says that the packages are broken
[06:38] <artabrahao> what it the command to descopact with tar keepping the directory estructure?
[06:38] <rodrigo> Oh this linux thing must be only for shaolin monks
[06:38] <ira> and.. it has worked fo ,e :-)
[06:38] <intelikey> ooooo   lsb_release
[06:38] <ira> rodrigo: take the Linux from my hand
[06:38] <rodrigo> ira; lol
[06:39] <darwin81> Does anyone know if Ktorrent supports multi-tracker torrents?
[06:39] <rodrigo> packages sudos roots
[06:39] <ira> <uses azureus
[06:39] <rodrigo> I'm just your setup.exe regular guy you know!
[06:39] <ira> <uses any thing
[06:39] <Daskreech> rodrigo: I was hoping that wouldn't happen. Cinelerra is a strange duck
[06:40] <Dr_willis>  Cinelerra IS a strange duck!  i agree
[06:40] <intelikey> odd duck out !
[06:40] <ira> Daskreech: I am afrade to pose this but is in in automatix?
[06:40] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Most packages in Ubuntu are easier than that even
[06:40] <Minataku> Thunderstorm >.<
[06:40] <rodrigo> daskreech: never mind you have been very well intended
[06:40] <Daskreech> ira: it is?
[06:40] <ira> no but there is a good chance it is
[06:40] <ira> I dont know
[06:40] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Is that the main reason that you are using ubuntu ?
[06:41] <rodrigo> daskreech: is an ethical reason
[06:41] <rodrigo> I live in mexico
[06:41] <ira> <will look in automatix
[06:41] <rodrigo> must  of the Pc' users had pirate software
[06:41] <Minataku> Viva Revolucion! Viva Linux!
[06:41] <Minataku> XD
[06:41] <Minataku> !automatix | ira
[06:41] <ubotu> ira: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:41] <rodrigo> so I migrate to Linux for using freeware
[06:41] <Minataku> !worksforme | !ira
[06:41] <ubotu> !ira: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:42] <Minataku> Close enough
[06:42] <Minataku> lol
[06:42] <rodrigo> but also the license are very expensive
[06:42] <Minataku> rodrigo: Indeed
[06:42] <Daskreech> rodrigo: No I meant is cinelerra important to you?
[06:42] <rodrigo> aaaah
[06:42] <darwin81> I've never had any problems with Automatix
[06:42] <intelikey> 11 cheers for FOSS
[06:42] <Minataku> !worksforme | darwin81
[06:42] <ubotu> darwin81: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:42] <ira> I never mention it
[06:42] <rodrigo> well it's my second priority
[06:42] <intelikey> oh sorry   11_2 cheers   :)
[06:42] <Daskreech> rodrigo: First is not pirating ?
[06:43] <rodrigo> lol
[06:43] <rodrigo> well Kind of
[06:43] <Daskreech> Well congrats :)
[06:43] <Minataku> Automatix2 has caused far too many problems for far too many people to be considered a valid choice
[06:43] <rodrigo> Im an graphic designer
[06:43] <Dr_willis> i agree with Minataku
[06:43] <ira> < can not look a the unmentionable cant stop adept notifier
[06:43] <Daskreech> rodrigo: If Cinelerra is important then try ubuntustudio
[06:43] <Daskreech> !ubuntustudio
[06:43] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[06:43] <Daskreech> It comes with Cinelerra as I understand
[06:44] <intelikey> well   i got all of one concert digitized finnally  only two to go...
[06:44] <Daskreech> they worked really hard to get it in. As i said it's a strange duck
[06:44] <ira> <uses protools and sound forge (ducking)
[06:44] <rodrigo> to be quite honest
[06:44] <rodrigo> the software that can be downloades
[06:44] <rodrigo> is not as good as premmiere
[06:44] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Cinelerra is very good though :)
[06:45] <ira> audiocity?
[06:45] <rodrigo> it says so in wikipedia
[06:45] <rodrigo> that's why I wanted to install it
[06:45] <Daskreech> they have some license issues as well as strange build practices so .. it's harder than most
[06:45] <Dr_willis> so it has to be true! :0
[06:45] <Dr_willis> night all
[06:45] <ira> rodrigo: audiocity?
[06:45] <intelikey> !info audacity
[06:45] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2032 kB, installed size 6016 kB
[06:46] <rodrigo> my first priority is running my scaner printer
[06:46] <rodrigo> for scanning my draws
[06:46] <rodrigo> but if I can't install a program now install a scaner printer
[06:46] <rodrigo> !!!
[06:46] <ira> <wars dr dentons
[06:47] <ira> knight all
[06:47] <intelikey> nite ira
[06:48] <rodrigo> ira; I also try to install
[06:48] <rodrigo> ardour
[06:48] <rodrigo> ira: ardour but it has a problem with the jack thing
[06:48] <intelikey> man ira went already...
[06:48] <rodrigo> douh!
[06:49] <rodrigo> well the only program that had work for my need is the gimp!
[06:49] <rodrigo> needs}
[06:50] <david_> heyz
[06:50] <david_> anyone here know how to install java?
[06:50] <intelikey> !java
[06:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:50] <david_> i think i have it installed but any java applet, like frostwire just has white
[06:50] <intelikey> da' bot does
[06:51] <david_> lolz i guess so
[06:51] <rodrigo> hey daskreech
[06:51] <rodrigo> I must go now
[06:52] <rodrigo> Im begining to think instead I learn this I save money and buy me a Mac
[06:52] <rodrigo> lol!
[06:52] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok hopefully this will get sorted out soon
[06:52] <intelikey> rodrigo ok. you go now.  you come back soon.  ok
[06:53] <rodrigo> Daksreech: thanks for your help man take care
[06:54] <Daskreech> rodrigo: I think that there is an easier way to install cinelerra I'll look
[06:54] <Daskreech> rodrigo: !!
[06:55] <intelikey> 11 cheers for Daskreech !
[06:56] <Daskreech> rodrigo: can you press alt+f2 then type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:56] <intelikey> you put out all the fires in the channel....
[06:56] <Daskreech> Well actually 4 of them still aren't out
[06:56] <intelikey> well you watered them down at least  :)
[06:57] <intelikey> ok just 10 cheers then.
[06:57] <Daskreech> Ira still can't print in colour rodrigo still can't scan (though I haven't looked at that) WillJitsu still isn't booting (as far as I know) and jwallingford is Tb less
[06:57] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:57] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Hello? I found the easier way
[06:57] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: still working on it :)
[06:58] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:58] <intelikey> WillJitsu what os do you have running there ?   is it a linux live cd  ?
[06:59] <Daskreech> Windows
[06:59] <WillJitsu> intelikey: I'm on a winxp box right now.  I'm currently installing kubuntu from the live cd
[06:59] <intelikey> WillJitsu same box ?
[06:59] <WillJitsu> intelikey: nope
[06:59] <rodrigo> daskreech: sorry friend I went where the king goes alone
[07:00] <intelikey> k then the "box in question"  is running a live linux    correct ?
[07:00] <rodrigo> ok so what I must do?
[07:00] <Daskreech> rodrigo: can you press alt+f2 then type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <WillJitsu> intelikeyl: yes it is
[07:00] <intelikey> WillJitsu and you are in the install process ?
[07:00] <WillJitsu> intelikey: yes
[07:01] <intelikey> WillJitsu k.   i won't interrupt that.
[07:01] <rodrigo> daskreech
[07:01] <rodrigo> I'm in there!
[07:02] <intelikey> WillJitsu if it hangs again "we hope it doesn't" then buzz me.
[07:02] <rodrigo> daskreech source list
[07:02] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok what does the bottom line say ?
[07:02] <rodrigo> sorry Im not very good english speaker  bottom means the top
[07:02] <rodrigo> or the lasst one (down)
[07:02] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[07:02] <intelikey> down
[07:03] <rodrigo> hehe ok
[07:03] <rodrigo> http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./
[07:03] <intelikey> should start with     deb
[07:03] <Daskreech> rodrigo: change the word dapper there to feisty
[07:04] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Yes is the first thing deb ?
[07:04] <rodrigo> ok
[07:04] <rodrigo> daskreech: done
[07:04] <rodrigo> now what should I do?
[07:05] <Daskreech> rodrigo: it starts with the word deb ?
[07:05] <rodrigo> I also miss my spanish english dictionary
[07:05] <rodrigo> of encarta
[07:05] <Daskreech>   deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/feisty/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./
[07:05] <intelikey> deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/feisty/cenelerra/athlonxp/ ./
[07:05] <Daskreech> That's what it says ?
[07:05] <rodrigo> the bottom line?
[07:05] <Daskreech> yes
[07:05] <rodrigo> yes
[07:06] <Daskreech> Ok
[07:06] <Daskreech> save it
[07:06] <intelikey> all one line      ^
[07:06] <rodrigo> I change the world
[07:06] <intelikey> all one line                     ^
[07:06] <rodrigo> in file
[07:06] <rodrigo> ?
[07:06] <rodrigo> menu?
[07:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: in the terminal type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[07:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Ctrl+S
[07:06] <mtv> what is the command to find out the kernel?
[07:06] <rodrigo> wow
[07:06] <Daskreech> :-)
[07:06] <rodrigo> man doing all of this is magic for me
[07:07] <rodrigo> ok
[07:07] <intelikey> mtv uname
[07:07] <intelikey> mtv uname -a
[07:07] <mtv> yep, just thought of it.  Memory lapse
[07:07] <mtv> thank you
[07:07] <intelikey> for all info  -r for release
[07:08] <Daskreech> rodrigo: there is an easier GUI way but I'll try to avoid that since you are not an english speaker
[07:08] <joshua__> hi
[07:08] <rodrigo> yep
[07:08] <rodrigo> If I have a dictionary it encrase my english skills a lot
[07:08] <rodrigo> I'll search a dictionary
[07:08] <rodrigo> in the apt program
[07:08] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 14 22:42:51 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[07:08] <Minataku> My uname -a output :D
[07:09] <intelikey> stardict
[07:09] <joshua__> i'm having some issues
[07:09] <rodrigo> nable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:09] <rodrigo> rodrigo@rodrigo-desktop:~$
[07:09] <rodrigo> hey daskreed
[07:09] <rodrigo> to be honest
[07:09] <rodrigo> I'm done with cinellera
[07:09] <rodrigo> maybe you can help me with another thing more important
[07:09] <rodrigo> by now
[07:10] <rodrigo> is about my printer/scanner
[07:10] <rodrigo> I don't know if it can works in kubuntu
[07:10] <Minataku> !sane
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sane - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <Minataku> WTF!?
[07:11] <intelikey> joshua__ don't wait for an invitation to ask...
[07:11] <Minataku> !scanner
[07:11] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo: do you have adept or another terminal open installing a program?
[07:11] <rodrigo> yes adept
[07:11] <rodrigo> Im downloading blender
[07:11] <rodrigo> 3d studio
[07:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ah :-)
[07:11] <rodrigo> yeeah!
[07:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok
[07:11] <rodrigo> but honestly
[07:11] <rodrigo> I'm done with that
[07:12] <rodrigo> Is more important to me to be able to scan
[07:12] <Daskreech> when that's done press Fetch Updates and Cinelerra should be there
[07:12] <joshua__> Anyone know how I can get my dvd to run?
[07:12] <Daskreech> !scanner | rodrigo
[07:12] <ubotu> rodrigo: Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:12] <Daskreech> !dvd | joshua__
[07:12] <ubotu> joshua__: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:12] <intelikey> !dvd | joshua__
[07:12] <Daskreech> I win :)
[07:12] <intelikey> quick draw
[07:13] <joshua__> lol well that works, i got the dvd css2 andd I can't get it to configure right
[07:13] <intelikey> 11 cheers for quick draw Daskreech
[07:13] <rodrigo> daskreech you mean that cinellera will appaear
[07:13] <rodrigo> in the adept installer
[07:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Yes
[07:14] <rodrigo> because we do all that coding stuff?
[07:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Yes we are telling adept the right server that has cinelerra
[07:14] <mtv> what command do i use to transfer all the files within a folder, but not the folder itself
[07:14] <rodrigo> daskreech Oh well, if you want to win your angel wings if you do something
[07:14] <Daskreech> mtv cp dir/* /new/place
[07:15] <intelikey> cp path/* new/path/
[07:15] <rodrigo> like that for every body
[07:15] <Daskreech> rodrigo: s long as i'm awake and have net
[07:15] <rodrigo> for newby digital artists all over the word!
[07:15] <mtv> thank you
[07:15] <joshua__> i have a version of libdvdcss2 1.2.9 i  believe, when i try yto configure it it states: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:15] <rodrigo> so where I found if can make my lexmark scanner run?
[07:15] <rodrigo> with kubuntu?
[07:16] <Daskreech> !scanner | rodrigo
[07:16] <ubotu> rodrigo: Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:16] <Daskreech> read those ^^^
[07:16] <Daskreech> joshua__: did you read the link that ubotu gave to you?
[07:18] <joshua__> yes, do the seveas packages include libdvdcss2?
[07:18] <Daskreech> yes
[07:19] <rodrigo> daskreech does I paste that in the console?
[07:19] <joshua__> so I just download the package and use adept and install the package and it should work?
[07:19] <Daskreech> rodrigo: read the second link first :) find your scanner
[07:19] <rodrigo> ok
[07:19] <intelikey> www-browser https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
[07:20] <intelikey> you can paste that in ^
[07:20] <intelikey> www-browser https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:20] <intelikey> or that ^
[07:20] <intelikey> or both
[07:20] <intelikey> am i rambling again
[07:20] <rodrigo> Oh my
[07:20] <rodrigo> well this is my day
[07:21] <Jucato> Question: anyone familiar with bluetooth dial up (using GPRS)? I can browse now and connect to IM, but I can't connect to IRC