[01:24] <bstarek> Hello guys, i was wondering what happened to the dropdown menus like "accessories, networking,system..." and so on???
[01:24] <bstarek> wasnt the old ubuntu more organized?
[01:31] <bstarek> anybody here???
[01:33] <penguin42> sorry, I just don't know a good answer
[01:35] <bstarek> penguin42, so there is none? the menu disappeared?
[01:35] <penguin42> bstarek: Looks like it, but I've gone to the Classic desktop
[01:35] <bstarek> penguin42, u like it better??
[01:35] <penguin42> well I'm used to it and it works - so hohum
[01:35] <bstarek> penguin42, its still in dev anyway right?
[01:36] <penguin42> yeh
[01:36] <bstarek> penguin42, I hope they include it!!
[01:36] <bstarek> anyway thanks for answerinf
[01:36] <bstarek> g
[01:37] <bstarek> exit
[01:37] <bstarek> oops
[02:07] <bp0> in the ubuntu alpha installer the location thing is crazy messed up
[02:08] <bp0> I don't know where its getting the locations from, but its really low quality results
[04:03] <strycore> hey there
[04:04] <strycore> would there be anyone with a natty alpha-1 iso and willing to share it via http/ftp/torrent/whatever ?
[04:07] <gpc> strycore: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1#Download%20the%20Alpha%201
[04:08] <strycore> gpc, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/ returns a 404 error :(  alpha-1 got erased from the servers and replaced with alpha-2
[04:09] <strycore> and alpha-2 is incompatible with nvidia drivers
[04:09] <rww> it's not on torrent.ubuntu.com either, I think
[04:10] <strycore> nope, only alpha-2
[04:11] <strycore> there was one on ThePirateBay but it got no seeds
[04:12] <strycore> guess I'm doomed to wait for nvidia to release their drivers then ...
[04:13] <bjsnider> "doomed" might be a bit of an inappropriate word to use in this context
[04:13] <bjsnider> your computer will not explode and kill you if you do not get natty on it right this minute
[04:14] <rww> It may explode if you do get natty on it.
[04:14] <rww> I think we used to have a factoid to that effect during an earlier cycle... ;)
[04:14] <strycore> i know, i know, but i'm not used running on stable releases *that* long
[05:50] <Adys> apparently nvidia uploaded 270.26 a few hours ago. any idea if it works with most recent xorg stack?
[05:50] <Adys> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/270.26/
[05:51] <Adys> theres no changelog
[10:53] <Zuhaitz> Hi.
[10:54] <Zuhaitz> I am experiencing problems with 11.04
[10:54] <Zuhaitz> Unity crashes many times.
[11:00] <susundberg> Well you have to provide some more information more than that
[11:02] <Zuhaitz> I cant, I dont know the reason.
[11:03] <Zuhaitz> The WM crashes and then, I have to restart GDM in a TTY
[11:03] <susundberg> WM crashes while doing what? Is it clear pattern?
[11:03] <susundberg> Is there something on the logs?
[11:04] <Zuhaitz> What log?
[11:04] <Zuhaitz> /var/log/what? :)
[11:04] <susundberg> $HOME/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg
[11:04] <susundberg> and i does unity have one of its own?
[11:05] <susundberg> See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity
[11:06] <susundberg> (thats all i can say, sorry -- i am not familiar with unity)
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> (nautilus:3271): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_value_free: assertion `value != NULL' failed
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> ** (nm-applet:3280): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> ** (gnome-screensaver:3365): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> ** (nm-applet:3280): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> system-config-printer-applet: failed to start PrinterDriversInstaller service: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.155" is not allowed to own the service "com.redhat.PrinterDriversInstaller" due to security policies in the configuration file
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> Dont see more errors
[11:20] <strycore> For those wondering about the new nvidia driver that was released today (270.26), tried it and no it's not compatible with the new Xorg stack
[11:25] <Zuhaitz> When Ubuntu will have a 2.0 OpenGl support?
[11:29] <susundberg> strycore: good to know!
[11:30] <strycore> maybe a second opinion would be good, but I tried all the ignoreABI stuff, and no luck for me
[11:49] <zlatan> hi to all...I installed 3D experimental driver and now I only get screen with wallpaper and nothing else...I have also Debian on PC...can I fix this problem with Debian and mounting on Ubuntu partition
[11:51] <zlatan> any suggestion?
[12:25] <Raylton> hi... someone know if unite 2d is in repository ubuntu or is make pre installed ?
[12:25] <Djlbert> Does anyone know if it is possible to calibrate joysticks in ubuntu because jscalibrator was removed from the repo
[12:29] <Raylton> hi
[12:29] <Raylton> someone cam help me
[12:29] <Raylton> ?
[12:30] <Raylton> *can
[13:18] <MTecknology> I have no idea what happened... but it seems that when I boot my server now I get as far as 'Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.' and it just hangs
[13:18] <MTecknology> It doesn't even go further when trying to use the recovery option.... any ideas why?...
[13:18] <jpds> You're runnning a server with Natty?
[13:20] <MTecknology> jpds: of course; that's what I'm running on all of my servers :D
[13:20] <MTecknology> and laptops
[13:20] <Pici> There were some plymouth updates recently.
[13:20] <MTecknology> I didn't even update the system in the last 2 weeks
[13:21] <MTecknology> hm... an older kernel let me finally get into recovery mode; and it seems there's a kernel update..
[13:26] <MTecknology> alrighty... getting updates seems to have made it work again- thanks :)
[13:26] <MTecknology> jpds: so.. why wouldn't you run natty on a server yet?
[13:26] <MTecknology> I've been doing it for about 3 months now
[13:26] <jpds> MTecknology: I like sanity and stablity.
[13:27] <MTecknology> how are you supposed to be a good admin with your sanity intact?
[13:28] <jpds> I'll find a way.
[13:29] <penguin42> for a server I'd stick to an LTS unless it was just a home machine
[13:30] <MTecknology> nothing I run is production for a company; just my websites, irc, some nginx websites, a bot for a few nginx, ubuntu, and other channels
[13:30] <MTecknology> nothing that anyone will cry over except me if gone
[14:01] <espen77_> hmm....having problems getting a2 or daily iso, the file i get is from 22.dec.2010 for both a2 link and daily, also md5 dont match...
[14:03] <espen77_> anyone know a reason why "wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso" would give an old file?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> espen77_, you put yourself behind a bad caching server?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> cause it's not, it's current
[14:06] <espen77_> does the wrate fw of china count? am currently in bijing.
[14:06] <espen77_> *grate
[14:07] <patdk-wk> dunno
[14:07] <Pici> It might.
[14:08] <espen77_> guess i have to wait until i get back to eu to get a fresh iso
[14:08] <penguin42> espen77_: In that case it might be interesting to take a download there and when you're back compare the binary
[14:10] <espen77_> is it possible to get the md5sum file from 22 december 2010?
[14:10] <penguin42> doubt it
[14:11] <espen77_> aww...to bad....that is the date stamp on the iso
[14:18] <penguin42> hmph, pidgin crashed
[14:20]  * patdk-wk installs vulture to clean it up
[14:21] <penguin42> hehe
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> !info vulture > ActionParsnip
[16:12] <BluesKaj> do we nvidia users still have to use the nouveau driver if we upgrade to natty ?
[16:13] <penguin42> that's what I'm hearing from others; I'm an ATI guy
[16:15] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I was using natty , but the xorg files that got removed and upgrded broke my system so I had revert back to maverick ...just thought I'd check in to see if anything has changed.. Obviously not :(
[16:17] <Daekdroom> Where does network-manager store its log or messages or whatever?
[17:02] <genii-around> Yay, I'm on 11.04 with nvidia driver :)
[17:04] <Daekdroom> genii-around, how'd you do that? D:
[17:05] <yofel> hm, the X folks said that 270.26 doesn't work with natty either though..
[17:05] <genii-around> Daekdroom: I used the 270.18 driver off of the nvidia site ( 64 bit)
[17:06] <yofel> then you're lucky
[17:06] <gpc> that is cheating
[17:06] <yofel> as that doesn't work here
[17:06]  * gpc takes genii-around's coffee privs away
[17:07] <genii-around> gpc: Hah!
[17:09] <genii-around> I did have a helluva time getting it installed. I had to install nvidia-current which got nouveau out but it also removed important suff like ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and so on. Then I installed the driver, rebooted to cli and installed ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop again
[17:12] <nemo> genii-around: oh hey...
[17:12] <nemo> genii-around: you're using nouveau?
[17:12] <genii-around> nemo: Not right now. I was before
[17:12] <nemo> ah. darn.
[17:12] <yofel> I use nouveau
[17:12] <nemo> yofel: mind running a test for me?
[17:13] <yofel> sure, what kind?
[17:13] <nemo> yofel: basically, the Firefox guys are trying to decide what Linux drivers won't crash when running certain opengl operations
[17:13] <nemo> yofel: Mesa in Maverick crashes on intel cards, doesn't in Natty
[17:13] <nemo> so they are determining versions and such
[17:13] <yofel> hard to say, I use firefox 4 daily find here  on my desktop
[17:13] <nemo> yofel: you using a nightly build or a beta?
[17:14] <yofel> the mozilla PPA daily builds
[17:14] <nemo> hmmm
[17:14] <nemo> wonder how close that is.
[17:14] <nemo> eh. probably close enough
[17:14] <yofel> 4.0~b12~hg20110215r62541+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[17:14] <yofel> is what I use
[17:14] <nemo> yofel: do you mind running MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox
[17:14] <nemo> oh
[17:14] <yofel> 4.0~b11+build3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[17:14] <yofel> is what natty has
[17:15] <nemo> https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/tests/webgl-conformance-tests.html
[17:15] <nemo> then run that
[17:15] <nemo> and tell me if it crashes?
[17:16] <yofel> just crashed when opening the site
[17:16] <zlatan> hi...my natty can't connect to the internet...it's trying and trying but no result...once it showed me that my ath5 calibration went down or something like that??  ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error); 4 requests ago: file /build/buildd/firefox-4.0-4.0~b12~hg20110215r62541+nobinonly/build-tree/mozilla/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 190
[17:18] <yofel> specifically
[17:18] <nemo> yofel: basically, I'm a big fan of webgl, and I want as many linux drivers as possible to be whitelisted
[17:19] <Daekdroom> yofel, I think that BadLenght issue was fixed in some recent package update.
[17:19] <om26er> natty daily ISO is not respecting any icon theme for the last few days, it defaults to gnome-icon-theme which package should be the bug in?
[17:20] <nemo> yofel: might ask you to rerun against a firefox nightly build off of ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
[17:20] <yofel> Daekdroom: ah, nemo: it doesn't crash when opening the page without your setting though
[17:20] <nemo> if Daekdroom is right
[17:20] <Daekdroom> It's not a firefox issue, tho
[17:21] <yofel> I do have all updates installed
[17:21] <yofel> nemo: nope, if I set your variable, then firefox-4.0 crashes as soon as it opens the page
[17:21] <Daekdroom> yofel, http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/natty/+source/mesa/7.10-1ubuntu2
[17:22] <nemo> yofel: well. that's a shame
[17:22] <yofel>   Installed: 7.10-1ubuntu2
[17:22] <nemo> yofel: looks like right now at least, fglrx is safe (at least for my card, although fglrx still has crap Xrender support) and nvidia proprietary is
[17:22] <nemo> and intel is fine if using later versions of mesa
[17:22] <nemo> yofel: so looks like they might do a version check on that one in the blacklist
[17:23] <nemo> but nouveau apparently is fail
[17:23] <nemo> yofel: mind terribly trying a nightly?
[17:23] <nemo> see if it still crashes?
[17:23] <Daekdroom> yofel, what about xorg-server?
[17:23] <yofel> let me first restart X, maybe that will help
[17:23] <nemo> yofel: wonder if glxgears would crash :)
[17:24] <nemo> or hedgewars or some other opengl game
[17:24] <yofel> 1:7.6~3ubuntu4
[17:24] <Daekdroom> Wow. It still uses that version scheme?
[17:25] <Daekdroom> Because latest in NattyChanges says 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu4
[17:25] <yofel> *that* is xserver-xorg-core
[17:25] <zlatan> any suggestion on my problem?
[17:26] <nemo> zlatan: *shrug*  - anything in dmesg?
[17:26] <nemo> zlatan: does ifconfig -a show the device?
[17:26] <nemo> what *is* the device anyway?
[17:26] <zlatan> atheros wireless
[17:27] <zlatan> nemo, it connected when I installed it for few times for few minutes
[17:27] <zlatan> now it does not even do that
[17:27] <Daekdroom> zlatan, was there any update since?
[17:28] <yofel> ok, X restart didn't help, now let's see what your nightly does, I would be suprised if the outcome would be different though..
[17:28] <zlatan> Daekdroom, I installed it today and updated kernel to 2.6.38-3...nothing else
[17:28] <Daekdroom> yofel, ah, the bug report says those fixes didn't actually fix it =P
[17:28] <yofel> ah :S
[17:28] <Daekdroom> I'm pretty sure it is indeed #714280
[17:29] <Daekdroom> (which does not have anything to do with clutter at all, apparently)
[17:33] <yofel> nemo: as I thought, the nightly crashes too
[17:34] <Spirits-Sight> Does anyone know if the Nvida issue has been resolved?
[17:35] <yofel> still no working driver
[17:35] <Daekdroom> Interesting.
[17:36] <Daekdroom> I'm using xorg-edgers and my firefox didn't crash when running the WebGL tests
[17:36] <Daekdroom> That means the fix is somewhere upstream already.
[17:37] <nemo> yofel: without even pressing the start button for the test
[17:37] <yofel> I never got the time to do that
[17:38] <nemo> yofel: do you mind terribly opening, say, about:blank instead
[17:38] <nemo> then going to a simple webgl test page?
[17:39] <nemo> yofel: https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/google/shiny-teapot/index.html  for example
[17:39] <yofel> about:blank open
[17:41] <Spirits-Sight> I want to put back 11.04 alpha 2 however I am using a NVida card,  is there a way I can get it installed and not have problem booting into it with gettings like a checker screen with Lots of different sq?  I really really like it it was very stable intill right before release was made when it came display  how do I install the edger stuff before doing upgrade?
[17:42] <yofel> nemo: that only gives me http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/ffx_teapot.png
[17:45] <nemo> yofel: but it doesn't crash...
[17:45] <nemo> yofel: huh. but the webgl did not load
[17:45] <nemo> yofel: and you had MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 ?
[17:46] <yofel> yes
[17:46] <yofel> in the terminal I get "failed to create drawable"
[17:47] <yofel> if I click on the original demo link I get "This page requires the O3D plugin to be installed."
[17:47] <nemo> heh
[17:47] <nemo> O3D is what webgl is trying to avoid
[17:47] <nemo> kinda hard to do fun HTML5 in a plugin
[17:48] <nemo> hrm
[17:48] <nemo> yofel: oh wait. that one doesn't work for me either :D
[17:48] <nemo> might be out of date
[17:48] <nemo> (shader validation or something)
[17:48]  * nemo looks for a more recent one
[17:49] <yofel> ^^
[17:49] <nemo> oh wait
[17:49] <nemo> n/m
[17:49] <nemo> it does work for me
[17:50] <nemo> I'd just forgotten to start with MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1
[17:50] <nemo> fglrx still isn't whitelisted :(
[17:50] <nemo> yofel: does nouveau actually properly support GLES2??
[17:50] <nemo> oh well. looks like blacklist might be justified in your case :(
[17:50] <yofel> Spirits-Sight: my nvidia pc's work fine with nouveau, well, almost
[17:50] <yofel> nemo: that I don't know I fear
[17:58] <nemo> yofel: does stuff like glxgears work ok?
[17:59] <yofel> glxgears works fine
[17:59] <nemo> http://learningwebgl.com/cookbook/index.php/WebGL:_Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_about_security.3F
[17:59] <nemo> bleah
[18:00] <nemo> although, that implies it does work
[18:00] <nemo> just doesn't work *well*
[18:00] <nemo> yofel: oh. here's a simpler one :D   http://www.doesmybrowsersupportwebgl.com/
[18:01] <yofel> crash
[18:01]  * yofel blames mesa
[18:01] <nemo> nice
[18:01] <nemo> yofel: but you're on natty
[18:01] <yofel> bug 714280 was about natty I think
[18:01] <nemo> yofel: anyway. the webgl guy at firefox would *love* it if you could get some proper debug info
[18:01] <nemo> so he could file a mesa bug
[18:02] <nemo> yofel: would involve you doing a firefox build though...
[18:02] <yofel> meh, ubottu's gone too :S
[18:02] <nemo> I'd be happy to walk you through what he asked me to do
[18:02] <om26er> did anyone try a recent natty ISO and saw broken icons?
[18:04] <yofel> nemo: as I'm not the only one that get's this error in natty, maybe you should wait until it's fixed first
[18:05] <nemo> yofel: so there's a proper upstream bug already?
[18:05] <StaRetji> Folks, what would be the lowest kernel to work with Natty Narwhal ?
[18:06] <nemo> yofel: did you see how simple the doesmybrowsersupportwebgl.com page is? :)
[18:07] <nemo> pet peeve. people who use innerHTML for text strings.
[18:07] <StaRetji> I have to downgrade the kernel because of dahdi and fxs driver which doesn't work properly with latest kernels
[18:07] <yofel> nemo: I meant https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-1.0/+bug/714280
[18:07] <yofel> no.. not fixed
[18:07] <StaRetji> I now that kernel 2.6.31 works well, so will this kernel work with natty?
[18:07] <StaRetji> now=know*
[18:08] <ikonia> StaRetji: no
[18:08] <StaRetji> what would be lowest kernel?
[18:08] <StaRetji> thx, ikonia
[18:09] <yofel> nemo: yes, the page seems very simple, and if I don't ignore the blacklist I get a *big* Nay ;)
[18:09] <ikonia> StaRetji: the one that ships with natty
[18:09] <ikonia> StaRetji: that would be the lowest
[18:09] <nemo> yofel: well. here's hoping that the mesa bug gets fixed soon
[18:10] <nemo> yofel: so that FF4 final can support nouveau/mesa in Natty
[18:12] <StaRetji> hm, I've downgraded to 2.6.36 so if that's the lowest I don't have other option but to go and get drunk lol
[18:12] <ikonia> StaRetji: why do you not use the kernel natty provides
[18:12] <nemo> wheee. my natty laptop appears to have hung on suspend
[18:12] <nemo> again
[18:15] <StaRetji> ikonia: because of custom fxs drivers are not working properly with latest kernels
[18:15] <ikonia> StaRetji: ok, so log a bug for it rather than break your whole machine with a kernel change
[18:15] <StaRetji> project owner just told me it works well with 2.6.36
[18:16] <StaRetji> sorry, 2.6.31
[18:16] <StaRetji> ikonia: he can't do it, he is aware of the bug
[18:16] <yofel> that is a bit very old compared to 2.6.38..
[18:16] <nemo> :( doesn't even respond to magic sysrq. bleah
[18:16] <StaRetji> ikonia: anyway, thx for the info, I'm giving up
[18:17]  * nemo sighs and powers it off
[20:08] <penguin42> bah
[20:08] <guntbert> ?
[20:08] <penguin42> went out for a few hours and my desktop machine seems to have decided to go to power saving or something and then oopsed when I came back
[20:11] <guntbert> I feel with you ... for a few days I have exactly that problem on an erstwhile stable 10.10 (after tasksel desaster)
[20:16] <blueyed> Is "aptitude safe-upgrade" running havoc for you, too? Like "offen: 337699; geschlossen: 115455; zurückgestellt: 68; Konflikte: 94" ?
[20:24] <guntbert> blueyed: I didn't try
[20:25] <yofel> blueyed: that's a lot, but no, it does give me a reasonable solution for my held packages
[20:25] <yofel> what's pending to be updated?
[20:30] <blueyed> yofel: thanks for your interest! ツ - it aborted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567457/
[20:30] <blueyed> looks like an infinite loop.
[20:37] <yofel> hm, looks like it..
[20:38] <blueyed> yofel: do you have an upgraded system?
[20:39] <yofel> yes, a few things are held back, but safe-upgrade simply skips those
[20:39] <yofel> I did see safe-upgrade running out of ideas if the list of things to upgrade is huge
[20:40] <blueyed> I see. My safe-upgrade crashes though apparently. Too bad.
[20:40] <blueyed> Can you pastebin a list of your held back things?
[20:40] <blueyed> just like what s-u would skip?
[20:46] <yofel> here it's openarena currently, on another system it was ubuntone-client-tools
[20:46] <yofel> just run aptitude interactively and check what you have under Upgradable Packages
[20:57] <penguin42> hmph, another pidgin crash
[21:29] <BUGabundo> anyone else having probs with freenode SSL?
[21:30] <guntbert> BUGabundo: plenty of reports in #freenode atm
[21:30] <guntbert> there is a ddos running
[21:30] <guntbert> (it seems)
[21:31] <BUGabundo> (2011-02-15 21:30:46) marienz: at least one of our servers currently has ssl issues
[21:31] <BUGabundo> (2011-02-15 21:31:15) marienz: I currently recommend explicitly picking a working server (just pick at random from http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml until you hit one that works, most of them still do)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:44] <blueyed> BUGabundo: very good evening to you!
[22:07] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: Hello
[22:07] <charlie-tca> appears to be a DDos attack
[22:08] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Freenode connectivity?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> hi
[22:09] <charlie-tca> [Global Notice] Hi everyone. You will have possibly noticed some instability on the network earlier this evening. The network is under a sustained DDoS and so lag and possible further splits are to be expected. We apologise for the inconvenience - our fantastic sponsorship and infra teams are working to minimise the further impact. Have a nice evening!
[22:09] <BUGabundo> anyone looking at this?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/never-miss-notifyosd-notification-with.html
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Isn't that freenode?
[22:10] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Oh didn't see the notice; but I've had a few disconnects
[22:11] <charlie-tca> I only saw it because it blocked some stuff I was trying to use when the notification bubble came up
[22:12] <charlie-tca> well, didn't mean to make him go away :-(
[22:13] <penguin42> hmph
[22:13] <penguin42> pidgin is crashing a lot on natty to me today - I hope it's just a DDoS and nothing nastier
[22:15] <BUGabundo> penguin42: got a freeze too
[22:20] <BUGabundo> can't get Recent Notifications to start :(
[22:20] <penguin42> oh great, at least one of these pidgin backtraces has libdbusmenu-gtk in it - sigh
[22:20] <penguin42> don't even use the damn thing
[22:20] <jadams> any idea when nvidia will be unbroken on natty for proprietary drivers?
[22:21] <penguin42> jadams: I suspect that's down to Nvidia
[22:21] <jadams> alternatively, any info on how to downgrade my X 'safely' so i can use the driver in natty?
[22:21] <penguin42> you can't
[22:21] <bjsnider> jadams, nvidia released a new blob today that is still not compatible with the new x-server
[22:21] <bjsnider> quite a bizarre series of events
[22:22] <penguin42> bjsnider: Might have been compatible with last weeks?
[22:22] <bjsnider> no
[22:22] <bjsnider> they based it on the same incomplete x-server as the .18 blob
[22:22] <jadams> bjsnider, yeah, i just saw a post saying the latest beta still didn't work
[22:23] <bjsnider> doesn't make sense unless it's a mistake
[22:23] <penguin42> bjsnider: Maybe its a fix for something other than Ubuntu?
[22:24] <bjsnider> there's hardly any change worth noting
[22:24] <bjsnider> no idea why they bothered to release it at all
[22:56] <rmcbride> Sure you can downgrade it safely
[22:57] <rmcbride> it's not fun
[22:57] <rmcbride> there was a procedure on the forums taht I used. ... might have the link here one sec
[22:58] <Daekdroom> I think it'd be easier to install alpha2, install nvidia-current and then let all the xorg packages be held back
[22:59] <rmcbride> http://www1.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10457052
[22:59] <rmcbride> well yea holding back the packages is part of it
[22:59] <rmcbride> but it really didnt take very long (I edited teh script there to not download servers that I dont plan to use
[22:59] <Daekdroom> and AMD has just released 11.2
[23:00] <MTecknology> root@panther:/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages# synaptic
[23:00] <MTecknology> No protocol specified
[23:00] <MTecknology> (synaptic:10210): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[23:00] <MTecknology> fun....
[23:00] <MTecknology> and sorry for the paste; meant for one line
[23:00] <rmcbride> in my case I couldn't use nouveau is it didn't recognize my external display at all. my options were downgrade xorg or to run windows on my main laptop
[23:01] <rmcbride> could have reinstalled from alpha 2, but the downgrade took less time for that machine


[10:13] <apt-get-moo> xchat is good
[10:13] <nmorse> I'm an irssi and Konversation fan
[10:13] <apt-get-moo> its available in linux
[10:13] <supernix> Back when I used IRC much mIRC was the only thing I recall being around
[10:13] <apt-get-moo> same her nmorse
[10:13] <Poromies> irssi o/
[10:14] <apt-get-moo> im in konversation right now
[10:14] <apt-get-moo> but i was in irssi
[10:14] <nmorse> I'm using Konversation right now
[10:15] <uniq> you have lots of clients to choose from, ircii, epic, bitchx, scrollz, irssi, xchat, kvirc, ksirc, konversation and more. :)
[10:15] <supernix> I only see a link to Xchat so I will install that real quick
[10:15] <supernix> so konversation is Windows ?
[10:15] <nmorse> No, KDE on Linux
[10:15] <nmorse> or BSD or any other POSIX OS really
[10:16] <supernix> oic
[10:17] <supernix> Take it easy on me I at least I am trying to do the right thing *sigh*
[10:17] <nmorse> Indeed
[10:17] <nmorse> I just tend to ramble on, a bad habit I've picked up from somewhere
[10:19] <supernix> ah crap
[10:19] <supernix> Xchat is shareware
[10:19] <uniq> it's not?
[10:19] <uniq> xchat.org ?
[10:19] <monchy> it is for windows
[10:20] <uniq> hah.. ok.
[10:20] <monchy> yes, hah...
[10:20] <nmorse> mIRC is a freeware client for Windows though, correct?
[10:20] <monchy> mirc is shareware also
[10:22] <supernix> But I is a poh boy
[10:23] <nmorse> Hmm, there has to be a free client for Windows
[10:23] <monchy> chatzilla or something
[10:23] <nmorse> Chatzilla exists as an extension for Firefox too now, doesn't it?
[10:24] <monchy> pretty sure
[10:24] <elliezet> hi everyone! is there a kubuntu italian channel somewhere? thank you :)
[10:25] <nmorse> #ubuntu-it
[10:25] <uniq> elliezet: i don't think so, the closest you get is #ubuntu-it if you want italian.
[10:25] <elliezet> thankyou :)
[10:25] <supernix> hmmm Im actualy thinking I might have that
[10:25] <nmorse> Dadgummit, it's hard to make a neverwinter nights module in linux
[10:26] <nmorse> The official toolset requires some fork of WINE
[10:26] <nmorse> And a Windows install to copy it from
[10:26] <nmorse> and neveredit only edits mods as near as I can tell
[10:27] <nmorse> I really just want to make an underwater Underdark adventure, do I have to have Windows for that?
[10:27] <uniq> looks like you do :|
[10:27] <nmorse> Hmm, I'll beat this system yet somehow
[10:28] <uniq> that's the spirit. :)
[10:29] <uniq> hi mez.
[10:29] <Mez> hey uniq
[10:29] <Mez> sup?
[10:30] <uniq> not much, trying to find some good "turn scanner+printer into copying machine"-software for a customer.
[10:32] <supernix> I shall return my friends
[10:33] <supernix> what it be like
[10:33] <Mez> why you opped up?
[10:33] <supernix> :D
[10:33] <supernix> Ok this is a lil client called Trillian
[10:33] <monchy> trillian is ok
[10:34] <uniq> mez: because it keeps everything somehow calmer. more on topic and less joking around.
[10:37] <supernix> =:)
[10:40] <supernix> Only 2 hours and 50 minutes to go
[10:40] <supernix> Sure wish I could latch onto a nice 1mbps connection
[10:44] <gdh> there's nothing 'lil' about Trillian
[10:44] <gdh> Last time I used it, it was a mish-mash of broken UI concepts and logic :/
[10:46] <nightfire> hi
[10:47] <uniq> hi nightfire.
[10:52] <nightfire> hi uniq
[10:55] <nightfire> Can someone test a script for me?
[10:55] <nightfire> I am working on a bandwithmeter
[10:56] <nightfire> it works fine und gentoo and slackware yet
[10:56] <nightfire> i haven't testet it with kubuntu
[10:57] <nightfire> http://nopaste.php-q.net/145769 <-- you only need to set the eth variable
[10:57] <uniq> ok.. hang on.
[10:57] <nightfire> thx
[10:58] <supernix> I dont get it every single time I try to go to a website it is timing out on me it must be that stupid SP2 crap fix
[11:00] <uniq> nightfire: does not look promising on breezy.
[11:01] <nightfire> hm
[11:01] <uniq> bandwidth.sh: line 46: [: 428: unary operator expected
[11:02] <uniq> when i copy something over the network.
[11:02] <uniq> works when nothing big is transfered though :)
[11:04] <nightfire> uniq: is is limited to 200 kb
[11:04] <nightfire> it is for internet
[11:04] <uniq> I used it on the internet :)
[11:05] <uniq> well, then it works, if that's expected to happen on speeds over 200kb/sec.
[11:06] <supernix> Well that is one more thing I can rest securely in knowing
[11:06] <supernix> I wont have some loser company capping my connection
[11:09] <supernix> Oh boy only 2 more hours now
[11:29] <delltony> hi can someone please point me to a working solution to making xvids from dvds? I have tried to installed dvd::rip but transcode will not compile due to numerous dependency issues. i have ran dwn the list of trying to install the dependencies one by one but i can't seem to get passed libavcsscodec or something that nature. any help would be great for id lie to make xvids
[11:37] <gdh> libavcodec?
[11:37] <gdh> that's usually provided by either the ffmpeg package, or some magic at nerim.net
[11:37] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:38] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:38] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[11:38] <gdh> lather, rinse, repeat :)
[11:38] <seth_k> oy, marillat is death though :/
[11:38] <seth_k> unless you pin it right
[11:38] <nmorse> Indeed
[11:38] <gdh> seth_k: Yes, you have to treat it carefully :)
[11:38] <nmorse> and it won't install some stuff right now due to Ubuntu's packages being too old
[11:38] <gdh> therein lies dependency dilemma :)
[11:39] <nmorse> which apt normally solves
[11:39] <nmorse> When you use only a small set of repos though
[11:39] <delltony> thats the whole issue i'm having it will not install
[11:39] <delltony> so how do you guys make dvds to xvids i can't believe noone besides me wants to do that :)
[11:40] <nmorse> I've thought about it
[11:40] <nmorse> Just haven't had the gumption to do so


[03:06] <bootlkjgf> looks like bedsie ....
[03:18] <bootlkjgf> http://goo.gl/yFOzQ
[06:37] <kaushal> Hi
[06:38] <kaushal> Does Ubuntu 11.10 support 4G LTE USB Modem MF880T?
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: what happened when you plugged it in?
[06:38] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: sure
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2061426 ?
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: it links to a thread on how to fix it if it doesn't work out of the box
[06:40] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: I just googled "MF880T" and "Ubuntu", first hit
[06:43] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: ok
[06:45] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: usb-devices does show the details
[06:46] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: shall i pastebin the output of usb-devices
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: just follow that forum thread
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: it explains all
[06:48] <kaushal> ok
[06:51] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: but i dont see it being seen in my NM Applet?
[06:51] <kaushal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1328442/
[06:53] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: let me try some few more steps
[09:05] <kvarley> ali1234: Turns out on another page of the BIOS I was able to disable Secure Boot all together and change the boot devices mode to accept another type of device other than UEFI compatible ones
[09:18] <popey> Morning
[09:27] <danfish> morning. Sunny, bright and cold here. Rather nice :)
[09:34] <danfish> time to get the wife's tender plants under shelter and  under the watch of my viglen mpc controlled plant watcher (need a better name for it)
[09:34] <danfish> yes, I'm still using an mpc!
[09:41] <daubers> danfish: Mine constantly thermal shutdowns :(
[09:41] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone.
[09:42] <danfish> daubers: then stop trying to play HD movies with it ;)
[09:42] <danfish> morning brobostigon
[09:42] <brobostigon> morning danfish
[10:09] <Seeker`> morning
[10:10] <AlanBell> morning
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning Seeker` and AlanBell
[10:11] <AlanBell> cold pizza, the breakfast of champions
[10:11] <brobostigon> never tried that.
[10:12] <ali1234> kvarley: cool. did it fix your graphics problems?
[10:13] <kvarley> ali1234: Going to find out later. Got some work on at the moment. Will let you know. Thanks for all your help yesterday btw :)
[10:53] <AlanBell> I see Apple have updated their website :)
[10:53] <AlanBell> http://www.apple.com/uk/ legal notice at the bottom
[11:04] <kvarley> ali1234: 1204 hangs on the splash screen. Gonna just install 1210 and try not to break the drivers
[11:04] <kvarley> AlanBell: love how they are still putting it as far down the page as possible
[11:06] <popey> i appear to have broken 32-bit opengl on my 64-bit system
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: have you installed the :i386 versions of the libraries?
[11:07] <popey> 1328841
[11:07] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1328841/
[11:07] <nucc1> i wonder why totem is no longer keeping my screen from going off...
[11:07] <popey> see ^^
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: cool
[11:09] <popey> suggestions welcome
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> does the machine actually have the ATi drivers?
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> as it's trying to do something with libdrm-radeon
[11:11] <popey> no
[11:11] <popey> its all intel, my x220
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> try also installing libdrm-intel1:i386
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> instead of the radeon one
[11:13] <popey> well, i get the intel one installed, but the libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 still isnt installed, and still wants the ATI one
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> that's weird.. you'd think it would depend on one of the libdrm-* libraries
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> not all of them
[11:15] <popey> aptitude is having a fit trying to resolve this
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> you're not running R yet are you? :)
[11:15] <popey> nope
[11:15] <popey> 12.04
[11:16] <popey> open: 8513; closed: 47648; defer: 431; conflict: 721                                                                                oNo solution found within the allotted time.  Try harder? [Y/n]
[11:16] <popey> nice
[11:17] <popey> aha, i think i got something from a ppa!
[11:19] <popey> \o/ fixed
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> ppas bad?
[11:21] <popey> somehow I had  a manually installed library
[11:21] <popey> 2.4.39-0ubuntu1.0~ppa1.1
[11:33] <kvarley> Ubuntu 12.04.1 hangs on splash screen. I've disabled secure boot and am not booting UEFI mode so I have no idea why it won't boot.
[11:33] <kvarley> Can't get access to any shells
[11:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> \o czajkowski
[11:36]  * kvarley breaks out the alternative installer ...
[11:54] <madpup> Hi all, im typing this from my new (1 hour old) 12.10 install, so far working great
[11:54] <madpup> so good work devs
[11:55] <popey> yay
[11:55] <madpup> sup popey
[11:57] <madpup> Where do i report a simple bug for battery charging weirdness?
[11:57] <popey> what's the issue?
[11:58] <madpup> when i unplug my laptop charger the laptop freaks out and ubuntu warns the battery flat, 0:01 mins remainning, then it goes back to 3:59
[11:58] <madpup> remainig
[11:59] <popey> I'd let it do a full charge / discharge cycle before filing a bug
[12:00] <popey> i think upower does some kind of battery profiling so it knows how long it should last, but needs to 'learn' that
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> madpup: it takes a while for the battery status to "settle" after disconnecting power
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> also, what popey said
[12:00] <madpup> ok, will do.
[12:00] <madpup> thanks all
[12:07] <danfish> since I updated to 12.10, the battery monitor says I haven't got a battery
[12:08] <danfish> not picking up the mini fusion reactor I've got powering this laptop either :/
[12:12] <madpup> sorry no idea
[12:15] <danfish> not a big problem. Will debug sometime.
[12:16] <popey> danfish, does the magic "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" pull anything in?
[12:19] <danfish> popey: only something about poppler
[12:22] <danfish> I did some messing around with this laptop when I got it experimenting with an external battery monitoring circuit. Probably a user bug, rather than an ubuntu bug!
[12:25] <kvarley> ali1234: I get "PXE-E61: Media Test Failure check cable" when my BIOS posts but my SSD shows up and I can boot from SSD. Is that just a pointless message or could that be affecting my ability to install Ubuntu?
[12:26] <kvarley> Alternative installer doesn't see any partitions on my SSD when there are existing partitions on the drive
[12:26] <kvarley> Something weird is going on
[12:27] <kvarley> CD installer fails checksum test ... doh
[12:54] <BigRedS> Haha, I hate it when that's the issue
[12:54] <BigRedS> Just get into the idea of some protracted set of troubleshooting and experimenting, then realise it's just the Universe being annoying
[12:56] <popey> hey BigRedS
[12:56] <popey> was good to see you at UDS!
[12:56] <popey> fun games :)
[13:00] <BigRedS> Ah yes! I think I'll be buying a set of those cards
[13:03] <cliftonts> hi everyone
[13:04] <cliftonts> I'd like ot ask if someone could help me break a ubuntu install
[13:04] <BigRedS> What sort of breakage?
[13:05] <cliftonts> right, I know a guy who is an idiot, a danger to himself any anyone who gets close
[13:05] <cliftonts> He's set himself up doing PC repairs, I wouldn't trust him to open a can of beans though!
[13:05] <cliftonts> So I want to pull a prank on him
[13:05] <czajkowski> cliftonts: kinda unfair, give the guy a break
[13:06] <cliftonts> have you ever seen it where someone tried to install windows over ubuntu and just got an error on boot that said GRUB ERROR 1?
[13:06] <kvarley> Samsung 535U3C-A02UK - Ubuntu 12.04 freezes at splash screen. Ubuntu 12.10 doesn't give me a GUI. Any ideas? This is beginning to get really annoying.
[13:07] <cliftonts> czajkowski I'm not exagerating, this guy has owned 4 boats, sunk 3 of them and sailed the 4th into a wier
[13:07] <cliftonts> he couldn't fix his own pc to save his life, he shouldn't be tinkering with other people's property if he's not up to the task
[13:10] <BigRedS> kvarley: s this the liveCD?
[13:11] <kvarley> BigRedS: Yes. I'm just trying 12.10 off a disc then I'm going to try the alternative install. Last time the alternative install didn't copy to my USB stick correctly so it wouldn't see any existing partitions
[13:11] <BigRedS> If so, try the alternate CD
[13:11] <BigRedS> ah
[13:11] <cliftonts> So, can anyone suggest a way to set Ubuntu up that would break any attempt to install windows in it's place?
[13:11] <kvarley> Sounds like you want secure boot
[13:12] <BigRedS> Not really - Windows would just overwrite whatever's in the Ubuntu
[13:12] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[13:12] <kvarley> Secure boot with a custom key for Ubuntu
[13:12] <cliftonts> on an old laptop kvarley
[13:13] <BigRedS> yeah, though you'd need to sign the windows installer, otherwise it'll fail at that bit
[13:13] <cliftonts> bigreds years ago when I tried to install windows it would result in grub error 1, I can't recreate that issue now tho
[13:13] <kvarley> If he installs windows on his machine over ubuntu then surely it's his problem if he messes its up?
[13:14] <cliftonts> no kvarley it would be my machine and I want grub to get in the way
[13:14] <BigRedS> cliftonts: that's just where you've not fully installed the windows loader
[13:14] <BigRedS> not sure how you do that
[13:14] <bootlkjkgf> AlanBell, I thnk the house opposite's Door is wide open .. just saying.
[13:14] <cliftonts> nor me, I need to figure this out
[13:15] <BigRedS> grub can't reallyt get in the way - OS installers trump any existing permissions unless they specifically decided to honour them
[13:15] <AlanBell> bootlkjkgf: that is a passageway between the houses there
[13:16] <cliftonts> that's a pain in the backside.  What if I password protect the bios and set it to boot off the hard drive before all other devices and disable the F12 option?
[13:24] <kvarley> That'd work
[13:24] <popey> are there not more productive things you can do with your weekend?
[13:24]  * kvarley agrees with popey
[13:25] <kvarley> A lot of effort to give the guy grief
[13:25] <cliftonts> popey, if you knew him you'd be reaching for your video camera and booking a front row seat
[13:26] <kvarley> cliftonts: If he breaks his laptop will you be paid to fix it?
[13:26] <cliftonts> kvarley it would be my laptop he would break and no
[13:26] <kvarley> cliftonts: I really don't understand the situation lol
[13:26] <kvarley> cliftonts: You don't like a guy so you are letting him use your laptop but only with Ubuntu on
[13:27] <cliftonts> ok, from the top:
[13:27] <cliftonts> idiot starts pc repair business
[13:27] <cliftonts> idiot is going to break any computer he touches
[13:27]  * popey goes to make flapjack with the kids
[13:27] <cliftonts> his tag line on his business card is 'if it's broken, I can fix it!'
[13:27] <cliftonts> I want to give him a machine where he won't know where to start
[13:29] <kvarley> Fit a read only hard drive
[13:29] <kvarley> Or take the hard drive out
[13:29] <kvarley> And put an sd card in read only mode
[13:29] <cliftonts> a read only hard drive?
[13:29] <kvarley> Not sure if they exist lol
[13:29] <cliftonts> I don't have the kit to do an SD card
[13:30] <kvarley> I'd give up
[13:30] <kvarley> That or just install Ubuntu
[13:30] <cliftonts> nah, trust me the opportunity is too good to miss
[13:30] <cliftonts> I'm going to install ubuntu
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: Chromebook ;)
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: he won't know what hit him
[13:32] <cliftonts> MartijnVdS, are you paying for that??
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: I have one
[13:32] <cliftonts> would you risk him breaking it??
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> no
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[13:32] <cliftonts> exactly
[13:33] <cliftonts> he's getting a celeron with 40gb hdd, I don't care if he kills it
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> I just threw out an old machine (PII/III) with bad caps on the mainboard
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> see how he copes with bad caps! :)
[13:33] <cliftonts> lol
[13:34]  * kvarley1 has found a pc that can't have Ubuntu installed on it! =/
[13:34] <cliftonts> damn this is annoying, I can't disable f12
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: on what?
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> kvarley1: :(
[13:35] <cliftonts> Dell Inspiron 1300
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> what does F12 do?
[13:35] <cliftonts> boot menu
[13:35] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I've tried USB and disc installs of Ubuntu 12.04.1, 12.10 and 12.10 alternative
[13:35] <kvarley> Surely the bios password locks you out of f12 tho?
[13:36] <cliftonts> If I set it to hard disk first then disable the boot menu and put a password on the bios he'll be stuck
[13:36] <cliftonts> kvarley: you think?
[13:36] <kvarley> cliftonts: Yes.
[13:36] <kvarley> cliftonts: He won't be stuck
[13:36] <kvarley> cliftonts: All he has to do is look up online how to clear the CMOS
[13:37] <cliftonts> kvarley: you still aren't getting how monumentally thick this guy is are you?
[13:37] <cliftonts> and the boot menu still works with the password
[13:38] <kvarley> cliftonts: Doesn't take a genius to put "lost bios password" into google
[13:39] <cliftonts> he's not a genius, he's barely a vegetable
[13:39] <kvarley> cliftonts: Just get over your hate for this guy. Don't waste your time trying to make his life hard.
[13:39]  * kvarley is afk
[13:43] <cliftonts> got it!
[13:44] <czajkowski> oh dear https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulocoteams/posts/390603791007654  why people file bugs via FB I do not know
[13:47] <AlanBell> s/file bugs via//
[13:48] <cliftonts> guys, is there a way to chasn
[13:48] <cliftonts> change the account ubuntu one client is linked to?
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: log out, then back in with new account?
[13:49] <czajkowski> cliftonts: are you still trying to trick your mate
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> System settings -> Ubuntu One
[13:50] <cliftonts> MartijnVdS I don't see any way to change the details, or log out
[13:51] <czajkowski> cliftonts: have you really nothing better to be doing with your week than trying to fool him
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: some people are 12 ;)
[13:52] <cliftonts> czajkowski: the way i see it, proving to him that he's not capable is doing many people a favour
[13:52] <czajkowski> cliftonts:  thats wrong, many people come here with issues and we try and help, I dont see why we should go out of way to trick people
[13:52] <czajkowski> cliftonts: you've often come here looking for help on stuff you don't know
[13:53] <czajkowski> cliftonts: would you like us to go out of our way to trick you
[13:53] <cliftonts> czajkowski: You must be great fun at parties with that sense of humour!
[13:53] <cliftonts> anyway must dash, I need to swap my donge to the other pc
[13:53] <czajkowski> I am you know
[13:53] <cliftonts> lol take care
[14:11]  * BigRedS vouches for czajkowski being hilarious
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> at times
[14:13] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: always in fact!
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: Ok
[14:16] <BigRedS> haha
[14:24]  * MartijnVdS tries to find a place that can print panorama pics properly
[14:38] <kvarley> Do I install the FGLRX driver or the FGLRX driver with post-release updates?
[14:39] <sagaci> Ended up going t mobile with a gig .. Better than nothing
[14:39] <BigRedS> more updates is generally better
[14:39] <BigRedS> but generally advice is to not use fglrx unless you need to
[14:40] <kvarley> BigRedS: Well screen brightness doesn't work without it so I have to =/
[14:40] <sagaci> Had bad experiences with fglrx in every install
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: neither
[14:40] <kvarley> I've never had issues ... until now
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> I've _always_ had issues with both nvidia and fglrx
[14:46] <kvarley> Do you think this will work without FGLRX installed?
[14:46] <kvarley> https://launchpad.net/samsung-tools
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> yes
[14:51] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: :)
[15:02] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I can't use unity 3d without FGLRX?
[15:02] <kvarley> Or do I have to manually install the open source drivers?
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> nah, the open source driver is the default
[15:02] <kvarley> Well, it doesn't let me in unity 3d
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> but basic 3D support should work..
[15:06] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: It lets me in but doesn't do the workspaces properly
[15:07] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I'm gonna try FGLRX because the brightness control didn't work
[15:08] <kvarley> On the plus side
[15:08] <kvarley> My laptop is now lightning quick
[15:08] <kvarley> Ubuntu + SSD <3
[15:27] <kvarley> So strange - I have a "AMD Unsupported hardware" watermark on my screen after installing FGLRX but everything works functionality wise
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> too new!
[15:27] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: The hardware?
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> yes?
[15:28] <kvarley> It's an AMD A6-4455M which has Radeon 7500G graphics so it's not really new
[15:28] <kvarley> It is trinity tho I think
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> then it might be too old?
[15:28] <kvarley> So that's kind of new
[15:29] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: It was only introduced in Q2 of this year apparently
[15:33]  * Neoti_Desktop Networking, VoIP, Systems Geek for hire!
[15:34] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: A newer version of catalyst is available so I'm gonna try that
[15:34] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ty for help :)
[17:36] <ali1234> kvarley: that bios message means that the bios is trying to PXE boot from the wired ethernet but no network cable is connected so it failed. you can disable PXE boot in the bios or just ignore it
[17:37] <ali1234> it's for diskless machines which boot from a server basically so you don't need it. it can be useful in certain situations (like kernel development) but you can always enable it again.
[17:41] <ali1234> cliftonts does indeed need secure boot to pull off his prank
[17:42] <ali1234> however, for the reasons eimon pointed out yesterday, it won't work on an x86 platform, because the user can just turn it off
[17:42] <ali1234> so actually password protecting the bios would work better
[17:42] <ali1234> then he'll have to open the machine to unplug the nvram battery
[17:49] <kvarley> ali1234: I suspected that was it but wanted to check. I disabled the option in the BIOS and all is well. Was just checking that it wasn't a potential HDD/SDD problem
[17:50] <kvarley> ali1234: I finally have Ubuntu 12.10 installed
[17:50] <kvarley> ali1234: Alternative 64-bit installer, ethernet install, using Guided paritioning
[17:50] <kvarley> ali1234: Using the FGLRX drivers, with samsung-tools for brightness control settings, hiding the watermark that says unsupported hardware
[17:50] <kvarley> ali1234: Thanks again for all your help :D
[17:51] <ali1234> cool
[19:13] <czajkowski> popey: on your nexus does the sound always start up muted?
[19:23] <brobostigon> which log file. in /var/log , shows the boot messages output?
[19:23] <popey> czajkowski, bug 1068804
[19:24] <popey> czajkowski, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 is worth a browse
[19:26] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[19:26] <czajkowski> loving it this evening
[19:39] <penguin42> popey: Do you know if there are any triaging rules for the ubuntu-nexus7 stuff? I mean when should stuff get triaged to ubuntu-nexus7 as opposed to unity or the appropriate X package?
[19:40] <czajkowski> penguin42: teams/develoeprs tend to like to triage their own bugs
[19:41] <penguin42> czajkowski: I'm on bug-control&squad so do a general set of triaging of bugs
[19:42] <czajkowski> penguin42: if in doubt triage to nexus7 and let them re triage from there
[19:42] <penguin42> czajkowski: Hmm ok, that's interestingly different from every other platform
[19:43] <czajkowski> penguin42: well how else will you knw as it's rather new
[19:43] <penguin42> czajkowski: but it's the same components isn't it?
[19:45] <penguin42> czajkowski: I can see adding ubuntu-nexus7 as an also-affects to a bug which is on the particular package
[19:45] <czajkowski> fair enough.
[19:46] <brobostigon> is it possible to grep a the whole of /var/log for a specific string ?
[19:47] <penguin42> brobostigon: grep -r
[19:47] <brobostigon> penguin42: thank you.
[19:55] <popey> penguin42, if stuff is specific to unity/kernel etc then yeah, I'd add a task for those
[19:59] <penguin42> popey: I assume there is a linux-nexus7 or the like?
[20:01] <AlanBell> so I have a nexus 7 with a bunch of apps and about 6GB of music on it, can I back that lot up, try ubuntu on it and put all the stuff back again later?
[20:03] <AlanBell> and does bluetooth work on it when running Ubuntu?
[20:04] <AlanBell> so that rhythmbox could play music to a bluetooth receiver somewhere?
[20:14] <popey> not that I'm aware of penguin42
[20:14] <popey> we need to fix these in distro itself
[20:20] <penguin42> popey: Ah there is a linux-nexus7, but it's in the ubuntu-nexus7 ppa
[20:21] <ali1234> AlanBell: if bluetooth doesn't work, and you want it to work, if you send me a nexus 7, i will make it work :)
[20:22] <Azelphur> wow, that Ubuntu on the nexus 7 thing is cool
[20:22] <penguin42> AlanBell: One of the Knownissues listed is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1070770
[20:22] <Azelphur> wtb dual boot
[20:22] <penguin42> AlanBell: i.e. bluetooth doesn't work
[20:23] <ali1234> wow, fail
[20:23] <AlanBell> ok, thanks penguin42
[20:23] <penguin42> ali1234: Hey it's new, it needs the bugs beating out of it still
[20:23] <ali1234> there's only about three companies that make bluetooth chips and all the chips are either uart or usb
[20:24] <ali1234> and they all have drivers
[20:24] <penguin42> ali1234: Be careful, ARM stuff tends to be a bit different
[20:24] <czajkowski> https://plus.google.com/u/0/102921374554385564572/posts/98MpbTnMptE it does look nice running ubuntu
[20:24] <ali1234> not at all
[20:24] <penguin42> ali1234: Although in this case maybe it looks like just a bluetoothd bug
[20:24] <ali1234> nobody puts bluetooth into a SoC
[20:25] <ali1234> ARM boards typically use UART mode
[20:25] <ali1234> because it's the easiest to do
[20:26] <ali1234> i bet that it's crashing because they haven't loaded firmware
[20:27] <ali1234> well, actually i bet it's crashing because bluetoothd is buggy
[20:27] <ali1234> but the bug is likely exposed because the adapter behaves differently without some firmware... they often need it for high speed mode etc
[20:28] <penguin42> yeh it just looks like a heap corruption of sometype from the log there
[20:30]  * penguin42 should buy a tablet of some type
[20:31] <ali1234> i would rather get a nexus 4 actually
[20:31] <penguin42> the one with the uber res display?
[20:31] <AlanBell> I might wait for the nexus 10
[20:31] <ali1234> no thats the 10
[20:31] <ali1234> the 4 is just a normal phone
[20:31] <penguin42> ah ok
[20:32] <AlanBell> we have a nexus 7 but it's primary purpose is to play mary black CDs in the kitchen
[20:32] <ali1234> but the interesting thing about it is it's 1/3 the price of all other (smart) phones off contract
[20:32] <penguin42> ali1234: How much?
[20:32] <AlanBell> so if I broke bluetooth audio I might be in trouble
[20:32] <ali1234> i can't remember
[20:33] <AlanBell> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=nexus £239
[20:33] <ali1234> £239
[20:33] <penguin42> ali1234: I only spent about 80 on my Orange San Francisco ~2 years ago
[20:33] <ali1234> £279 for 16gb
[20:33] <penguin42> ali1234: Low spec though
[20:33] <ali1234> orange san francisco was a PAYG
[20:33] <AlanBell> the nexus 10 is £319 and comes out on the 13th
[20:34] <ali1234> and if you stopped buying credit, orange blacklisted the phone
[20:34] <penguin42> ali1234: blacklisted?
[20:34] <ali1234> so yeah that was a good deal except for those people who bought it and unlocked it and then found it stopped working
[20:34] <AlanBell> why would you get the nexus 4 over the nexus 7 (159)
[20:34] <ali1234> um because the nexus 4 is a phone
[20:34] <AlanBell> oh, so it is :) didn't spot that!
[20:34] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm interesting, I unlocked it, I've run it on T-mobile before they fully merged
[20:35] <ali1234> penguin42: yep. you might find it doesn't work any more now that they have
[20:35] <penguin42> ali1234: It's still my daily phone
[20:35] <ali1234> i've read lots of reports about this
[20:35] <ali1234> anywho, that was a subsidized loss leader basically
[20:35] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm perfectly happy for them to subsidise me :-)
[20:35] <ali1234> sure
[20:36] <penguin42> ali1234: Especially given how tight I am on my PAYG usage
[20:36] <ali1234> but the point is, you won't find a smartphone this cheap that is without contract and unlocked
[20:37] <ali1234> it's a pretty big move. hardware is pretty average sure, but the other good thing about it is you won't get left behind by operators dragging their heels on updates
[20:37] <penguin42> ali1234: It's interestingly nasty if they have been doing that
[20:37] <ali1234> that's the main reason i want it
[20:37] <penguin42> yeh, reasonable
[20:37] <ali1234> ICS runs fine on the SGS so uber hardware isn't everything
[20:38] <ali1234> not SGS3, the original one. still really fast.
[20:39] <ali1234> http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/orange-san-francisco-blacklisted-help-wanted-1099242
[20:39] <ali1234> loads of threads like that around the internet specifically for that phone
[20:40] <ali1234> blacklisting is the IMEI database of stolen phones
[20:40] <AlanBell> nexus 10 is totally different CPU and GPU to the nexus 7 so I guess Ubuntu on it won't happen for a bit
[20:41] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh, interesting, all at about the same time, last December - I was still on Orange then
[20:42] <popey> yeah, it will
[20:43] <popey> nexus 10 has same chip as the chromebook
[20:43] <penguin42> AlanBell: But it's the exynos which is pretty heavily supported, so shouldn't be too bad
[20:44] <ali1234> well i want one of those too
[20:45] <ali1234> in that case :)
[20:45]  * penguin42 wants a frankenstinien hybrid of a nexus 10 display in the chromebook
[20:45] <popey> we gave out a bunch of nexus 7's at UDS
[20:45] <penguin42> popey: Good way to get people to debug it :-)
[20:46] <popey> exactly
[20:46] <ali1234> that's really funny cos the ideapad that i got at the meego conference has ubuntu on it
[20:46] <ali1234> but in this case, it's intended that people put ubuntu on it :)
[20:47] <ali1234> incidentally, they gave out ideapads cos they are touchscreen, and the touchscreen doesn't work properly on ubuntu :(
[20:50] <czajkowski> ali1234: were they given out by canonical developers?
[20:50] <ali1234> no, they were given out by intel and nokia, because it was a meego conference
[20:51] <ali1234> they were intended for debugging meego
[20:51] <czajkowski> ah well that might be why, nexus 7 has been picked as that is what the developers are working on, it;s a reasonable price also if people chose to buy one also
[20:51] <czajkowski> and it's intended to encourage people to put ubuntu on it and help debug it
[20:52] <ali1234> i reported a bug: the installer did not support dual booting with ubuntu
[20:52] <ali1234> actually the bootloader was the problem, because meego bootloader didn't support ext4 and ubuntu bootloader didn't support btrfs
[21:35] <gneel> Evening
[21:35] <gneel> How do I report spam in a launchpad bug comment?
[21:39] <czajkowski> gneel: which bug
[21:40] <gneel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177965
[21:40] <gneel> Comment #9
[21:40] <gneel> It was closed years ago.
[21:40] <czajkowski> done
[21:40] <gneel> czajkowski: Diolch yn fawr
[21:40] <penguin42> does anyone have a precise machine running - and can tell me whether the output of   mount   shows / mounted on /dev/root or the real device?
[21:41] <czajkowski> gneel: eh ?
[21:41] <gneel> penguin42: I'm running precise. I'll check in a mo.
[21:41] <ali1234> penguin42: it says /dev/sda1
[21:41] <penguin42> ali1234: Thanks
[21:41] <gneel> czajkowski: it's Welsh for "ta muchly"
[21:41] <AlanBell> czajkowski: Go raibh céad maith agat
[21:41] <penguin42> ali1234: That's what Quantal said for me, but I wanted to check on precise since that's what the bug I was debugging said
[21:42] <czajkowski> ah ok
[21:42] <czajkowski> :)
[21:42] <gneel> penguin42: I see the same. /dev/sda1, not /dev/root
[21:42] <czajkowski> for future reference please file a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[21:42] <penguin42> gneel: Thanks
[21:43] <gneel> penguin42: it might depend on whether you have a RAID type setup, or LVM or some other exotic setup
[21:43] <gneel> czajkowski: was the point about the question regarding the spam on the bug?
[21:44] <penguin42> gneel: Yeh, it's a report I've been helping someone with;
[21:44] <popey> penguin42,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1330325/
[21:45] <penguin42> popey: Thanks
[21:46] <shauno> if it's any help, I usually see /dev/root used during initrd before it's pivoted to the correct device
[21:46] <ali1234> what would be a good machine to use for a myth-backend which does not generate much heat?
[21:46] <ali1234> i want to put it in a cupboard
[21:46] <czajkowski> gneel: yes
[21:46] <ali1234> and it needs usb2
[21:47] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh, this guy seems to have landed in a full system with mount still showing /dev/root and when he tries to run update-initramfs it barfs, becasue while mount still shows it, there is no /dev/root and blkid on it fails and then it all kind of fails badly
[21:47] <gneel> popey: I hope making those ecryptfs sigs on your Private directory public is not something that's added a vulnerability!
[21:47] <ali1234> and yeah /dev/root is what you see when the kernel mounted root rather than something in user space (ie after initrd)
[21:47] <gneel> czajkowski: thanks
[21:48] <ali1234> penguin42: block devices don't necessarily exist in /dev. just mknod it if you really need to...
[21:48] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh but various of the update scripts assume that what mount says that / is mounted on matches reality
[21:49] <penguin42> ali1234: So while yes that would fix it, it doesn't explain why his system is screwed up in this way, which is really the more important question
[21:49] <ali1234> make /dev/root: mknod /dev/root b $(lvm lvdisplay -C --noheadings --separator " " --options lvm_kernel_major,lvm_kernel_minor)
[21:49] <shauno> right .. fixing the cause, not the symptom
[21:49] <popey> gneel, how would it?
[21:49] <ali1234> so it's not really even a real block device, just a shortcut essentially
[21:50] <ali1234> penguin42: what's his kernel command line (cat /proc/cmdline)
[21:50] <ali1234> also check early dmesg of course
[21:50] <gneel> popey: don't know, it just looks like something I wouldn't make public. I know it's not the actual keys. Is it some sort of signature of the keys?
[21:52] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm unfortunately that bit has scrolled off his dmesg that's attached; but that's a good thing to ask
[21:52] <ali1234> try /var/log/syslog
[21:53] <ali1234> or /var/log/messages depending on distro
[21:53] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh what's happening here is mkinitramfs awk's the output of mount, and if that says /dev/root it runs blkid on /dev/root   to find where that really point - but the problem here is that he has an inconsistency somehow; which actually looking at his  attached df output looks like the problme
[21:54] <ali1234> what's in /etc/mtab
[21:54] <ali1234> mount basically just prints out whatever is in /etc/mtab
[21:54] <ali1234> maybe his / is ro cos of errors?
[21:55] <penguin42> ali1234: Don't know - this is just going off a bug report, so I need to ask a few more questions - it's not a ro / from the logs, but there is an add set of errors about failure to create pty's during init that's interesting, and his df is a little screwy
[21:55] <ali1234> public bug?
[21:57] <gneel> G'night all.
[21:59] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh bug 1062699 - I've just asked him for his /proc/cmdline,    it looks like the initramfs isn't quite finishing correctly, leaving two (incoherent) / shown in df and mount
[22:00] <penguin42> ali1234: Lets see what he says to that one
[22:00] <ali1234> hmm that dmesg is complete
[22:00] <penguin42> ali1234: Except the top has scrolled off the buffer
[22:01] <ali1234> not anything interesting
[22:01] <penguin42> indeed
[22:01] <penguin42> ali1234: Those pty errors are odd, but not apparently related - but still odd
[22:02] <ali1234> he is not using a ramfs?
[22:02] <penguin42> ali1234: I don't think he's doing anything weird there
[22:03] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm suspecting the problem is something like some screw up when he upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 that failed to properly create the 12.04 initramfs properly, and it's screwed in such a way that it can't fix itself
[22:03] <ali1234> quite possibly
[22:03] <ali1234> dunno about it being due to an upgrade
[22:03] <ali1234> but not having an initramfs doesn't seem right
[22:04] <penguin42> ali1234: Well he said that's when it first occurred, but we'll see what his /proc/cmdline looks like
[22:05] <penguin42> right, back in ~1hr
[22:05] <ali1234> this is what dmesg should look like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1330385/
[22:05] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh, during the early boot it goes into a fixed size buffer, if the initial boot dmesg uses too much space (before it manages to write to disk) then you lose the start
[22:05] <ali1234> the pty error is almost certainly due to the missing initramfs, like everything else
[22:06] <ali1234> yes, but look at the area of line 770
[22:06] <ali1234> that "freeing unused memory" line is always within a couple of lines of where it mounts root, IF the kernel is mounting root
[22:07] <ali1234> but on my system it isn't, because i have an initrd
[22:07] <ali1234> on the bugged system kernel is mounting sda1 directly, which is why it shows as /dev/root
[22:07] <ali1234> and it mounts directly because missing ramdisk
[22:08] <penguin42> ali1234: It's an interesting theory, lets see what his reply is; if the error first occurred during an upgrade, perhaps what we're seeing is he bodged around the lack of a ramdisk, and then we're just seeing more fallout
[22:08] <penguin42> anyway, as I say - back in 1h30
[22:08] <ali1234> basically before those lines the kernel does not touch anything with any filesystem at all regardless of initramfs or direct partition
[22:08] <ali1234> nah, without ramdisk the kernel command line has root= so it will still work, sort of. it will do exactly what you're seeing in fact
[22:09] <ali1234> no bodging involved
[22:09] <ali1234> and mkinitramfs will fail
[22:09] <ali1234> exactly like it is doing
[22:09] <ali1234> so it can't be fixed
[22:09] <ali1234> basically i would say that manually creating the initramfs once will fix the system
[22:10] <ali1234> then raise a bug against mkinitramfs not working if you don't already have an initramfs
[22:13] <ali1234> something else that would work is to boot livecd, chroot, run update-initramfs, reboot
[22:13] <ali1234> initramfs should not pay attention to /dev/root anyway for exactly this reason
[22:14] <ali1234> actually that might fail due to mtab being wrong
[22:23] <ali1234> hmm so just for a laugh i deleted all my initrds on a VM and it renders the system unbootable
[22:24] <shauno> and people say I have a strange sense of humour
[22:24] <ali1234> people have given up telling me that
[22:25] <ali1234> hmm
[22:25] <ali1234> if i select recovery mode it does attempt to boot without initrd
[22:37] <BigRedS> Yeah, if you've kernel support for all your hardware it'll boot without an initrd
[22:41] <ali1234> BigRedS: yes, and if you boot without an initrd then / seems to get mounted on /dev/root and this makes update-initramfs not work
[22:42] <ali1234> so you can only make an initrd if you already have an initrd!
[22:44] <shauno> no, you can only create an initrd while you're not in recovery mode.  if you create a correct boot stanza while you're in recovery mode, then boot into that, you're set
[22:45] <ali1234> yeah
[22:45] <ali1234> the problem is you can boot into not-recovery mode without an initrd
[22:45] <ali1234> and it looks normal
[22:45] <ali1234> until you try to make an initrd
[22:46] <ali1234> other than some cryptic errors on dmesg the system appears to be working normally
[22:46] <ali1234> until apt chokes while trying to update the kernel
[22:47] <shauno> I would say they just need to point grub at the correct root device while they're in recovery mode.  but the config for grub2 is now managed by crack-fueled monkeys
[22:47] <ali1234> for sure
[22:48] <ali1234> it should be enough to go to grub command line and say linux /boot/vmlinux<tab><tab> root=/dev/sda1
[22:48] <ali1234> then boot
[22:48] <ali1234> then update-initramfs -c -k all
[22:48] <ali1234> then reboot normally and everything should be fine
[22:49] <ali1234> however it's a bit much to expect the average user to know this :)
[22:55] <BigRedS> this is a new thing; I've built a new initrd for a system without one in the not-too-distant past
[22:56] <MonsterKiller> how do you get rid of this annoying shopping search on 12.10 dash?
[22:56] <AlanBell> !adlens
[22:56] <MonsterKiller> kk thanks :)
[22:57] <BigRedS> I like that finally one of those has the ! genuinely meaning negation
[22:57] <AlanBell> heh
[22:57] <AlanBell> there must be other examples of that
[22:58] <BigRedS> yeah, probably. I just remember the first few times I came across them wondering why the message was almost inverse to the command
[22:59] <MonsterKiller> i removed the amazon thing from the software center before but shopping is there on and its saying unabled to locate package unity-lens-shopping
[22:59] <Laney> !yes
[22:59] <Laney> !yes is no
[22:59] <AlanBell> oi
[23:00] <Laney> it's true!
[23:00] <Laney> also, good evening
[23:00] <AlanBell> evening
[23:00] <AlanBell> 22:59 < lubotu3> In #ubuntu-uk, Laney said: !yes is no
[23:01] <Laney> can't argue with that
[23:01] <czajkowski> ello Laney
[23:01] <Laney> ow do?
[23:01] <czajkowski> Laney: find your power supply at all ?
[23:02] <Laney> no :( - I bought a new one
[23:02] <BigRedS> ,MonsterKiller I've read that three times and still don't know what you mean
[23:02] <Laney> did I tell you that I broke my phone too?
[23:02] <ali1234> BigRedS: it's not impossible to create an initrd, it's just an interesting corner case where not having an initrd has exposed a bug in mkinitramfs
[23:03] <czajkowski> Laney: was it an iphone?
[23:03] <Laney> n900
[23:03] <czajkowski> am gonna strangle the neighbours 2 doors down
[23:03] <ali1234> did you break the USB port by any chance?
[23:03] <Laney> the display just decided to stop working
[23:03] <czajkowski> blaring mucis since 8
[23:03] <czajkowski> massive house party
[23:03] <ali1234> oh :(
[23:03] <czajkowski> porters wont do anything till 11pm
[23:03] <MonsterKiller> lol. First, to get rid of the shopping thing i removed the amazon shopping thing from the installed software on the software center, but i still had shopping results. so then i just tried removing unity-lens-shopping but it said the package was not found
[23:03] <Laney> that's now!
[23:03] <czajkowski> Laney: you're broken!
[23:03] <BigRedS> ah right, It was the middle of the night so I probably didn't notice anything, saw the system booted and left it be :)
[23:03] <nothingspecial> thats the law czajkowski
[23:03] <MonsterKiller> i disabled it in privacy settings now
[23:04] <czajkowski> Laney: music got louder since porters went in
[23:04] <AlanBell> MonsterKiller: you would need to log out and back in again
[23:04] <Laney> being phoneless feels weird
[23:04] <nothingspecial> you can be as loud as a jumbo jet between 7am and 11pm
[23:04] <AlanBell> MonsterKiller: you uninstalled it from the disk, but it was still running
[23:04] <czajkowski> nothingspecial: no you cant, you cant be a noise nuisance
[23:04] <MonsterKiller> I had restarted after removing it from software center
[23:04] <nothingspecial> that's what the policeman told me once anyway
[23:04] <BigRedS> yeah, it's decidedly easier from 11pm, but there's still limits generally
[23:04] <czajkowski> and also it's 8am during the week and 11am on the weekends, tennancy agreemnt
[23:05] <AlanBell> the privacy settings thing is an epic fail, but it does work for the default lenses
[23:05] <ali1234> a jumbo jet is pretty loud, i suspect the rozzers would show up pretty quick
[23:05] <czajkowski> BigRedS: 2 aparments in the middle and I can hear the musi perfectly
[23:05] <nothingspecial> as my band thrashed on past midnight
[23:05] <ali1234> in a licensed venue or in someones house?
[23:05] <nothingspecial> in a warehouse
[23:06] <nothingspecial> this was many years ago
[23:07] <Laney> you could also call the environmental health if the porter is useless
[23:07]  * Laney tries to remember why he just opened a terminal
[23:07] <czajkowski> Laney: aye trying to work that out now as back home you'd just ring the police
[23:07] <Laney> I'd google "<council name> environmental health"
[23:08] <nothingspecial> anyway, it's 11 now. They have to turn it down
[23:09] <nothingspecial> ring the police
[23:57] <ali1234> any KDE users about?
[23:58] <ali1234> can someone do me a screenshot like this: open a text editor, a terminal, and a music player (default KDE apps), and then take a screenshot with them all visible and the K menu open
[23:59] <ali1234> type some stuff in the text editor please :)


[11:06] <persia> jibel, Do you think http://paste.ubuntu.com/535155/ would be suitable as an announcement forhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-qa-n-testing-different-architectures?  Is there some important part missing?
[11:06] <persia> ara, Any modifications that you would prefer?
[11:06]  * ara reads
[11:07] <davmor2> morning all
[11:10] <ara> morning davmor2
[11:10] <ara> persia, it looks good to me
[11:11] <persia> My major concern was whether I needed to be more explicit that folks that don't nominate product managers don't get to be part of the release.  Was that clear enough?
[11:33] <jibel> persia, I agree, you should explain clearly what  will happen if no product manager is nominated.
[13:35] <alourie> hello all
[13:37] <jibel> hello alourie
[14:21] <moustafa> cr3, fader_ , davmor2 : Hello, camembert, and jelly baby
[14:21] <davmor2> moustafa: bingo
[14:21] <fader_> moustafa: Good morning!
[14:24] <moustafa> davmor2: My fandom of the good Doctor keeps growing
[14:26] <davmor2> moustafa: muhahahahaha  my evil plan to brain wash everyone with our tv is finally coming to fruition
[14:31] <moustafa> davmor2: So your evil plan is to have everyone develop a british accent?
[14:36] <davmor2> moustafa: It's just step one to global domination,  next comes the subliminal you must install Ubuntu
[14:37] <moustafa> davmor2: That came before I got to know you, so I guess I'm immune
[14:38] <davmor2> moustafa: no that is step two
[14:39] <cr3> schwuk: by the way, dispatching sru tests by hand is getting old quickly, so I might be tempted to extend the message interface in certify-web and revamp the activity views. you alright with that?
[14:40] <cr3> schwuk: that should help dispatch sru tests more effectively from a single location and track errors more reliably
[14:40] <schwuk> cr3: of course
[16:40] <persia> jibel, Hey.  Just wanted your confirmation that http://paste.ubuntu.com/535155/ was complete before I sent it.
[16:46] <jibel> persia, Hi, can you clearly state what will happen if no product manager is nominated ?
[16:52] <persia> jibel, That's precisely the point I wasn't sure I was clear enough about :)
[16:53] <persia> How does http://paste.ubuntu.com/535267/ look (additional sentence in last paragraph)?
[16:56] <jibel> persia, sounds good. Now they know what's over their head if no product manager is nominated :-)
[16:57] <persia> Great.  Then I'll send that, which ought free everyone else to work on the rest of it.
[16:58] <jibel> persia, thank you.
[17:46] <skaet> persia,   couple quick comments...
[17:47] <skaet> prodcuts to be released as part of Ubuntu 10.10 or Ubuntu 11.04?
[17:47] <skaet> s/prodcuts/products/
[17:49]  * persia headdesks
[17:50] <persia> skaet, That was from your email, or from the paste?
[17:50] <skaet> spotted it in the paste,  haven't seen email.
[17:50] <persia> Ah, good.  emails recalled.
[17:52] <skaet> Also,  might be useful to reference the release manifest as the official source so if there is doubt about whether something has been formally signed up or not, that will be the place to check.
[17:52] <persia> Is it?  I didn't think you'd organised that to the new model yet, so figured I'd just build a new list and give it to you as input.
[17:53] <persia> Once we have the new list up, I agree that the release manifest would be the official source.
[17:53] <persia> But right now, I think we're essentially in limbo.
[17:54] <skaet> We can do a list as an itermediate - but I'd raather just extend the manifest to be something useful.   Will talk about it at a release meeting in december,  but figure there's no point to add it to the manifest until there's a product manager assigned to marshall it, and sign off.  ;)
[17:55] <skaet> persia, go ahead with the list, until we can socialize the concept at the release meeting, and then we can get feedback before formalizing the process there.
[17:56] <persia> I completely agree, but I want to validate the list also: I know some of the names are old, and I'm certain there are products that are shipped without much care, and other products not on the list.
[17:56] <persia> That sounds like a plan that works well with the action items in the spec :)
[17:56] <skaet> ok.
[17:56] <skaet> :)
[17:57] <persia> I do have two semantic concerns though: 1) are the products released as part of Ubuntu 11.04, or with Ubuntu 11.04?
[17:58] <persia> 2) How do we want to handle weaker-support products?  (e.g. Kubuntu Desktop powerpc usually only gets about 6 months, except by accident)
[17:58] <persia> I don't expect answers right away, but I do expect that both of those things will come up in the Release Meeting.
[18:18] <skaet> persia,  fair enough, will see if we can build some concensus proposals before, and use the release meeting to make it official and socialize it a bit wider.
[18:21] <persia> With luck, yeah :)  There's been some prior soreness around those areas, and I'm not sure that anyone ever really defined the boundaries in a way that made sense.
[18:24] <skaet> ah well.  we can but try ;)
[20:15] <Guest39584> sigh
[20:15] <Guest39584> So... I tested out the Asus EEE PC 1215n
[20:16] <Guest39584> http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/asus_eee_pc_1215n.html
[20:16] <Guest39584> But, like, I can't make heads or tails of your laptop testing page.
[20:17] <Guest39584> You used to have a decent amount of information, but... jesus, I can't make sense of the maze of pages anymore.
[20:18] <Guest39584> You should just let people post what info they have.  Some, unstructured, outdated information is better than the zilch you have now.
[20:19] <Guest39584> Can't tell if anyone can hear me.  Maybe all 54 are idling, or maybe my IRC skills are rusty... been like 15 years since I bothered.
[20:19] <Guest39584> ok well, you guys have fun with that Ubuntu stuff, this is as much effort as I'm willing to make today.


[01:35] <skd5aner> hoping for some ubuntu help... I run ubuntu server, and I've upgraded for years... however after the last upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10, my dpms always reset to...
[01:35] <skd5aner> DPMS (Energy Star):
[01:35] <skd5aner>   Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0
[01:35] <skd5aner>   DPMS is Enabled
[01:36] <skd5aner> so, the screen never will turn off after inactivity...
[01:36] <skd5aner> if I manually use xset to set those settings, it'll work until a reboot
[01:36] <skd5aner> any idea what the heck is setting those to 0?
[01:53] <superm1> xscreensaver perhaps?
[01:53] <superm1> or gnome-screensaver if you ahve that installed
[23:10] <no_user_name_set> Anyone good with IRC?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1913395  Trying to get an answer on Mythbuntu forums at ubuntu.com, but haven't gotten anything over a week.
[23:15] <rhpot1991> no_user_name_set: you are missing the KEY_ in your ~/.lirc/mythtv
[23:16] <rhpot1991> button = Down
[23:16] <rhpot1991> no_user_name_set: if you rerun mythbuntu-control-centre, and make sure that "generate dynamic button mappings" is checked on the IR tab, then apply
[23:16] <rhpot1991> that should fix your .lirc files
[23:20] <no_user_name_set> Ok Restarting and pray to god it works!
[23:20] <no_user_name_set> praying...
[23:33] <no_user_name_set> Sweet that seems to have worked....Now I have to figure out my transmitter issue
[23:34] <no_user_name_set> Thank you very very much Rhpot1991, you have no idea how much time I have been wasting on this last two weeks.


[00:56] <darkxst> ahoneybun, it would be nice to have an overview of the main features new in GNOME 3.10
[01:22] <ahoneybun> darkxst, on it :)
[03:25] <ahoneybun> darkxst, check out the new "Features in GNOME 3.10" section on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME :)
[04:23] <darkxst> ahoneybun, looks good, these were the GNOME release notes for 3.10, you can probably find some more things in there to add
[04:23] <darkxst> https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/
[04:24] <darkxst> just note, we do not yet have the new gnome-control-center
[04:24] <ahoneybun> darkxst, just some things I see that we have so far in the newest beta
[04:39] <ahoneybun> darkxst, this control center http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/323/3/a/gnome_3_10___control_center_mockup_by_kevkevfuuuuu-d6utes7.png?
[04:40] <darkxst> I have no idea what that is!
[04:44] <ahoneybun> oh sorry but how is the new control center different>
[04:44] <darkxst> well we don't have it yet
[04:45] <darkxst> but changes are listed here https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/more-core-ux.html.en
[04:53] <ahoneybun> for some reason epiphany-browser will not show up in the dash
[04:54] <ahoneybun> and it is not there as "Web" either
[04:56] <darkxst> showing up here, but I'm on 3.12
[04:57] <ahoneybun> ??? how? ppa?
[04:57] <darkxst> yes
[04:57] <ahoneybun> I did a do-release-upgrade -d from 13.10
[04:57] <ahoneybun> to 14.04
[04:58] <ahoneybun> though details says 13.10
[04:58] <ahoneybun> mm
[04:59] <darkxst> lsb_release -a
[04:59] <ahoneybun> yea 14.04
[05:00] <ahoneybun> is there a reason empathy does not use the same log in that online accounts uses (ex. for google talk)>
[05:00] <ahoneybun> nevermind
[05:00]  * ahoneybun feels stupid
[05:01] <ahoneybun> sadly KDE's telepathy does not have a think like online accounts
[05:01] <ahoneybun> as my google account has 2-step auth so I can't log in that way'
[05:07] <ahoneybun> fail a bug about the 13.10 in detail darkxst?
[05:08] <ahoneybun> *file
[05:21] <darkxst> yes
[05:25] <ahoneybun> ok just here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome?
[05:35] <darkxst> gnome-control-center
[05:35] <darkxst> `ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center`
[14:09] <smonsarr> Hi, am wanting to install Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 from en Ubuntu netboot iso, one can easily install ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop etc but cannot find a one-package option from the net boot process to install Ubuntu GNOME. If this is normal it seems a shame.
[15:24] <ahoneybun> darkxst, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center>
[15:24] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:51] <darkxst> smonsarr, you probably need to universe repo
[20:51] <darkxst> then you will see ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:52] <darkxst> ahoneybun, just use the command: `ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center`
[21:09] <ahoneybun> darkxst, got it
[21:27] <ahoneybun> darkxst, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1299912


[11:47] <eliasps> Hello, in Ubuntu GNOME, we are going through some changes and those include some modifications on the launchpad teams and mailing list archives. Is this the right place to ask, or somewhere else? I did open a new question on Launchpad, but I'm not sure if it's the right place for those requests.
[11:49] <eliasps> Here are the details: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/293510
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> for projects that use the git hosting in launchpad, is there an equivalent to bzr's "--fixes lp:#######"?
[12:30] <cjwatson> eliasps: I'll punt that over to our sysadmins
[12:31] <cjwatson> eliasps: (once somebody shows up on duty in the relevant team)
[12:31] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: not yet, but it's something we want for Launchpad itself so it should be coming soon
[12:32] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: it'll probably be more like commit message parsing, as is typical on other hosting sites
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, awesome, thanks
[12:32] <eliasps> cjwatson thank you!
[12:32] <cjwatson> eliasps: (specifically the mailing list bits; should probably get that done before any renames)
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> also, is it possible to link a series to a branch? I'm not sure if that's a known limitation or of I'm just doing something wrong, but I can only link https://launchpad.net/oxide/crmaster to a bzr branch
[12:33] <eliasps> cjwatson, yes, exactly!
[12:33] <cjwatson> eliasps: you can do 1) yourself I expect, it won't break any project connections
[12:33] <chrisccoulson> (the project was set up to use bzr, but I'm in the process of moving it to git)
[12:33] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: deliberate omission
[12:33] <chrisccoulson> aha
[12:33] <eliasps> cjwatson, alright, I will and I'll inform here if there is any complications. Thank you!
[12:34] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: well, sort of.  series links make somewhat less sense with git, although I guess you might want to link them to a specific branch rather than a different repository
[12:34] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: I'm not sure it's worth the effort to model that though
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, yeah, I'd like to link the series to a specific branch in the repository. But failing that, it would probably be nice to hide this bit of the UI on projects that are configured for git
[12:35] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: because e.g. git branches can be deleted at any time without LP having the opportunity to intervene and ask what you want to do about linked series
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that makes sense
[12:36] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: UI> agreed - could you file a bug please?
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, sure, will do
[12:44] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, ok, I reported bug 1580167
[12:45] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:25] <ricotz> hello, looks like some arm* builders might be stuck while some of those are running for nearly 2 days now
[14:27] <cjwatson> Oh, that again, been meaning to contact the owner
[14:27] <cjwatson> I'll sort it out, thanks
[14:35] <cjwatson> ricotz: Should be happier soon, and I've contacted the owner of the problematic builds.
[14:36] <ricotz> cjwatson, thanks!
[15:42] <wgrant> julia again?
[15:44] <cjwatson> Yeah.
[15:45] <cjwatson> Owner is responsive.