[00:12] <Skiess1> my graphics stuff doesn't work right
[00:12] <Skiess1> on this laptop
[00:13] <Skiess1> *X-server settings
[00:14] <Skiess1> and the hardware tester doesn't seem to test anything anymore so, i guess I have to report it some other way
[02:45] <melik> hey guys im experiencing dpkg problems :/
[02:45] <melik> i tried sudo dpkg --configure -a, and it wont fix it, what can i do?
[02:47] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMWJqcA
[02:49] <dtchen_> check the standard bits - lo is up, FSes are mounted rw and exec, you have enough free space, etc.
[02:49] <dtchen_> also `dmesg`
[02:52] <melik> everything seems fine
[02:52] <melik> how do i check standard bits?
[03:06] <usser> oooh, synaptics driver update
[03:08] <melik> dtchen_, sorry to bother you; but can you help me out please :)
[03:09] <usser> where can i see changelog for all the updates?
[03:45] <maco> can someone on jaunty install miredo and try to connect to freenode over ipv6? dtchen can do it using jaunty's miredo on hardy, but using real jaunty, i cant
[03:48] <dtchen> maco: you could also use tshark to narrow the culprit space
[03:49] <maco> tshark? is that like wireshark, but text?
[03:55] <Slartibartfast> Just reading the release notes of Alpha5 ... it's mentioning about Xserver 1.6 ... how can i see if the xserver i am running is 1.6 ...
[03:56] <Slartibartfast> i only see version numbers like 7.4-5 .... how is this version numbering working with X
[03:57] <Slartibartfast> ?
[03:57] <dtchen_> Slartibartfast: look at xserver-xorg-core.
[03:58] <dtchen_> xserver-xorg-core | 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-0ubuntu7 |        jaunty | amd64, i386
[03:59] <Slartibartfast> aha .. ok ok :-) ..... here also <IP_ADDRESS>2 ... then thats still a pre-release of 1.6?
[04:00] <Slartibartfast> i mean ... in the release notes 1.6 is mentioned ... why then i am not rrunning 1.6 but <IP_ADDRESS>2
[04:06] <setuid> How can I set my CONFIG_HZ to 1000 without rebuilding the kernel?
[04:06] <setuid> It's 250 by default in Ubuntu kernels
[04:21]  * setuid tries unpacking /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.27.tar.bz2, copies /boot/config-2.6.27-12-generic into place, and rebuilds with make-kpkg
[04:25] <joaquinz> hi!
[04:26] <joaquinz> i've a lot of trouble with kubuntu 9.04 and my sound card soundblaster audigy (ca106)
[04:26] <joaquinz> it simply doesnt work
[04:26] <joaquinz> i mean, everything seams to be fine, but when i play sound with amarok, mp3blaster or another, it just doesnt play any sound
[04:26] <joaquinz> any ideas what it could be?
[04:29] <joaquinz> ?
[04:31] <freakabcd_> joaquinz, is this possibly related to the dreaded pulse-audio?
[04:31] <joaquinz> i got it :)
[04:31] <setuid> pulseaudio--
[04:31] <setuid> boo
[04:32] <joaquinz> but now you mentioned it, i think that pulseaudio is not working anyway
[04:32] <freakabcd_> i never understood pulseaudio. sure forwarding is nice and all; but only if it works painlessly like X11 forwarding
[04:33] <setuid> pulseaudio was a bad idea
[04:33] <setuid> An over-engineered solution to a non-existent problem
[04:34] <joaquinz> another trouble: no sond in youtube :(
[04:35] <setuid> you have to kill anything else using sound... sound isn't "shared" in Linux
[04:35] <freakabcd_> setuid, sure it is if you're using ALSA
[04:35] <freakabcd_> those were the old days of OSS when one process could block it
[04:36] <setuid> If I have YouTube loaded up in Firefox, not playing anything, and load Xine from the cli to play an mp3, it blocks.
[04:36] <freakabcd_> no it doesn't.
[04:36] <setuid> I'm using alsa, it doesn't work that way, never has.
[04:36] <freakabcd_> i can play youtube videos and use mplayer to play all my videos simultaneously
[04:36] <setuid> It absolutely does, I've shown this time and time again to dozens of people
[04:36] <freakabcd_> setuid, maybe you never checked what your xine is setup to do
[04:36] <crdlb> that would be dmix or a hardware mixer, wouldn't it?
[04:36] <setuid> Anything... xine, mplayer, amarok, ls > /dev/dsp, anything.
[04:37] <setuid> Sound is not, and has never been, "shared" on Linux... not that I've ever seen, and I've been doing this daily since about 1994.
[04:37] <freakabcd_> setuid, so you're saying you can play only a single track and *only* that one at any given time on your computer?
[04:37] <setuid> esdplay was close, but it's not perfect
[04:37] <setuid> freakabcd_, Correct
[04:38] <freakabcd_> get a better computer. i've been able to do this ever since alsa was merged
[04:38] <setuid> it's not just Ubuntu either, I'm not laying blame there... it's all distros
[04:38] <setuid> I've tried this on dozens of platforms; laptops, desktops, home-built machines, servers.
[04:38] <setuid> All stock, known, name-brand hardware
[04:38] <freakabcd_> seriously. i've tried it on desktops, laptops and name-brand machines.
[04:38] <freakabcd_> it works as i expected
[04:39] <crdlb> I believe ubuntu ships (or did so pre-pulse) alsa with dmix enabled
[04:39] <crdlb> so if you used all alsa apps, it'll mix
[04:39] <setuid> They you're doing something different...  because nobody can get it working. My LUG is full of people who have tried and failed over the last decade or so.
[04:40] <freakabcd_> ok, what do you think we are doing differently?
[04:40] <freakabcd_> just plain alsa. and all programs instructed to use alsa instead of oss.
[04:40] <freakabcd_> thats all i have ever done
[04:41] <freakabcd_> pulseaudio is going to be a PITA in JJ
[04:41] <freakabcd_> and even beyond (imho)
[04:42] <dtchen_> then help fix it.
[04:42] <setuid> dtchen_, Yep
[04:43] <dtchen_> at least that's what i'm doing, and i blog about it, and my work goes into jaunty.
[04:43] <dtchen_> what are you doing besides complaining?
[04:43] <dtchen_> joaquinz: mixer element toggle?
[04:43] <freakabcd_> dtchen_, thats all good. but some of us think this is a non-issue
[04:43] <setuid> dtchen_, Moi? I'm publishing patches, fixes, very detailed HOWTO documents, submitting bugs, following up on bugs, running the LUG, providing hands-on help and training, as well as maintaining my own OSS codebase (pilot-link)
[04:44] <dtchen_> freakabcd_: then keep thinking it's a non-issue, and you'll keep missing what pulseaudio actually *is doing*
[04:44] <dtchen_> no, i'm not referring to what its feature set is touted to be
[04:44] <freakabcd_> dtchen_, err.. I don;t have issues with pulseaudio.
[04:44] <joaquinz> dtchen: you want me to tell you wich elements are toggled and wich elements are not?
[04:45] <freakabcd_> we were talking about why he wasn;t able to get multiple streams playing with alsa
[04:45] <dtchen_> freakabcd_: i'm not calling *you* out
[04:45] <dtchen_> i'm referring to what pulseaudio has been able to do *to the rest of the audio stack*, i.e., exposing the brokenness
[04:45] <setuid> freakabcd_, I suppose when Firefox + Flash are involved, all 'alsa' bets are off, because THAT combination can't multiplex
[04:46] <setuid> i.e. Firefox + youtube playing video and xine or mplayer or anything else running at the same time
[04:46] <freakabcd_> i dunno why, but that has *always* worked for me
[04:46] <dtchen_> i've always said that if your audio *happens to have worked with straight ALSA*, be thankful, but don't think that ALSA isn't broken
[04:47] <setuid> Well, ALSA is worse code than OSS was, but the API and the interfaces are much cleaner.
[04:47] <setuid> But that's all commonly known anyway
[04:47] <dtchen_> "worse code" is a perspective
[04:47] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, how does a regular user go about fixing PA?
[04:47] <dtchen_> yes, arguably it is overengineered, but it follows a certain separation.
[04:48] <dtchen_> clearly some camps think that particular kernel/userspace separation is horrid
[04:48] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, i'll be the first to admit i sit here and complain about how much i hate PA but i don't know where to start helping to fix it
[04:49] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: there are two PPAs you need to be aware of for jaunty audio, mine and Luke's (themuso's)
[04:49] <billybigrigger> its hard for me to want to fix pulse when i know alsa has and always worked for me
[04:49] <billybigrigger> why fix something that isnt broke right?
[04:49] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: for jaunty, my changes are tested in that PPA before sending to Luke, who actually uploads them to Ubuntu
[04:49] <ali1234> all perceived problems that people see with pulseaudio happened exactly the same with esd and artsd before
[04:49] <setuid> Why does pulse even exist? What problem are they trying to solve here?
[04:50] <setuid> ali1234, Exactly my point... how many times do we have to reinvent this wheel, for this 3-wheeled car that has no roads ;)
[04:50] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: Luke's PPA has the _next_ version of Alsa-lib and PulseAudio - i.e., *not* what JJ will ship but still is useful for testing
[04:50] <ali1234> the cause is not PA, the cause is apps that don't use PA blocking it. same exact problem that we had with artsd 4 years ago
[04:50] <setuid> ...and esd prior to that
[04:50] <dtchen_> setuid: / ali1234: no, the problem is *much* deeper
[04:51] <dtchen_> it's not *just* this silly software multiplexing
[04:51] <dtchen_> it's the entire audio stack
[04:51] <dtchen_> in Linux 2.6's case, we have ALSA, as it's the blessed API
[04:51] <dtchen_> so the API has shortcomings
[04:52] <dtchen_> PulseAudio is the one "thing" to have exposed *massive* shortcomings in both OSS and ALSA
[04:52] <ali1234> yes i agree
[04:52] <setuid> They've been there before, but now people are just focused on it, because PA itself is a steaming pile of swill
[04:53] <dtchen_> for too long, people thought of "audio packet processing" is something based on the hardware's interrupt
[04:53] <dtchen_> s
[04:53] <dtchen_> as something*
[04:53] <dtchen_> i'm not here to argue whether it is or isn't a pile of poo
[04:53] <ali1234> no
[04:54] <dtchen_> you don't have to like it, but pulse *is* the way forward
[04:54] <ali1234> the problems were always there, but when it was esd vs artsd everyone was more focused on blaming the other side and so the underlying architecture was never fixed
[04:54] <dtchen_> personally, i'd rather never have to worry about audio again, but clearly that isn't happening
[04:54] <setuid> That can be said of most of the subsystems though... networking, usb, sound, etc.
[04:55] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: ...except ALSA "worked" for you, not worked for you.
[04:55] <setuid> There are big, huge glaring holes in all of them, I could drive my truck through
[04:55] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, it still works
[04:55] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, sound works in wine, and it works for my movies in vlc, and my mp3's in audacious...
[04:55] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: no, it's broken in ways that are more easily fixed with google
[04:55] <billybigrigger> i have yet to ONCE get pulse to output anything, on any machine i've touched...
[04:56] <ali1234> billybigrigger: then alsa is broken on those machines! pulse uses alsa!
[04:56] <dtchen_> we're at the point where the *entire* Linux audio stack is being audited, because it's entirely unmaintainable
[04:57] <billybigrigger> well how is alsa broken when i can hear audio from vlc and audacious playing movies and mp3's? to the end user it works
[04:57] <setuid> That should be happening anyway.... it's just been left crufty, because it isn't "essential" to function
[04:57] <ali1234> billybigrigger: because alsa can only play sound from one program in 99% of machines
[04:57] <setuid> video, networking, disk, etc. is essential
[04:57] <setuid> sound is eye-candy (ear-candy?)
[04:57] <ali1234> billybigrigger: so pulse will never work while vlc is playing sound, unless you setup vlc (and every single other program) to use pulse
[04:58] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: where do you want me to begin?
[04:58] <dtchen_> the entire quirk structure is broken
[04:58]  * billybigrigger is watching an xvid and listening to an mp3 right now...
[04:58] <dtchen_> the entire jack-event system was broken, but at least it's being worked on now
[04:58]  * billybigrigger is glad to be part of the %1
[04:58] <setuid> %0.001
[04:58] <setuid> ;)
[04:59] <dtchen_> the entire mixer exposure is fragile and unmaintained
[04:59] <dtchen_> oh, and various tools manipulate what's exposed and receive nondeterministic behaviour
[04:59] <billybigrigger> thats all im saying is that its hard to want to switch to something that does not, %100 work for me, and never has
[05:00] <dtchen_> PCI audio device enumeration is nondeterministic in ordering
[05:00] <dtchen_> and that's just a *sampling* of the *kernel* sayer
[05:00] <dtchen_> layer*
[05:00] <dtchen_> now let's look at Alsa-lib
[05:01] <dtchen_> half the snd_pcm_* don't do proper bound checking
[05:01] <dtchen_> (should i continue? are you getting an idea of the *scope* of the madness?)
[05:02] <billybigrigger> im understanding the madness
[05:02] <billybigrigger> or maybe im not
[05:02] <dtchen_> you can argue all you want about ESounD, Arts, NAS, whatever. it doesn't change the fact that the underlying layers of the stack were always *crud*
[05:03] <dtchen_> again, PulseAudio is the *only* application to have reached across all layers to demonstrate just how fragile they are
[05:03] <billybigrigger> so how does pulse fix this, because is pulse not an overlaying layer to alsa?
[05:03] <billybigrigger> pulse uses alsa, without alsa, not pulse, without pulse alsa still lives on correct?
[05:03] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: don't think of PulseAudio as a fix yet, because it can't possibly be a fix while everything else is still crack
[05:04] <ali1234> doesn't PA run on other platforms without alsa too? or am i thinking of that new kde thing?
[05:04] <dtchen_> yes, PA runs on OSS
[05:04] <ali1234> does it run on mac/win32?
[05:04] <dtchen_> runs fine on current NetBSD thanks to a bunch of hacking
[05:05] <dtchen_> probably not current PA
[05:05] <dtchen_> no one has taken up the torch to continue the maintenance
[05:06] <setuid> Anyone happen to know how to change the default dillo font size?
[05:06] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: so, we come back to "how can i help out?" - start by looking at the bugs in any one of the layers
[05:07] <dtchen_> e.g.,
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- rhythmbox --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- gstreamer --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- pulseaudio --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- alsa-lib --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- linux --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- hardware --
[05:07] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, im not a programmer, i have 0 expierience with code...:P
[05:07] <billybigrigger> i can do basic html :P
[05:07] <dtchen_> you don't need to be a programmer
[05:08] <ali1234> haha... rhythmbox has the funniest bugs, like when it starts playing to songs at once :)
[05:08] <dtchen_> you need to be able to say what isn't working
[05:08] <billybigrigger> so start triaging bugs
[05:08] <billybigrigger> easy enough
[05:08]  * billybigrigger waits for the slap
[05:09] <setuid> found it...
[05:09] <setuid> font_factor=0.6
[05:09] <lanoxx-> is jaunty going to ship with gnome 2.26 or 2.24?
[05:09] <crdlb> 2.26
[05:09] <lanoxx-> thx
[05:11] <ian> does the .deb technology let you easily move between versions of a given package?
[05:11] <ian> (down)
[05:13] <dtchen_> ian: the tech itself does, yes.
[05:13] <crdlb> what do you mean?
[05:13] <setuid> Assuming the .deb is smart enough to handle the dependency and dependent removal, yes.
[05:13] <dtchen_> ian: whether it actually does well depends on the maintainer's work
[05:14] <ian> I mean, stepping back in time, one .deb version at a time, for triage
[05:14] <dtchen_> well, apt handles dependencies. dpkg is pretty dumb.
[05:14] <dtchen_> analogous to yum and rpm.
[05:14] <setuid> which is now something called 'zypper' or something
[05:14] <ian> how do you do it?
[05:15] <dtchen_> ian: if you're asking whether something like Nexenta's pairing of apt with ZFS exists in Ubuntu, the answer is no
[05:15] <dtchen_> there is no snapshotting of packages...yet.
[05:19] <nickrud> I always though sound was kinda messed up, but wow
[05:21]  * setuid waits for this Exchange 2007 Server CD to finish dd'ing so he can build a VM with it
[05:21] <setuid> dd takes all the IO right out of my machine
[05:22] <setuid> Why-o-why is the default kernel HZ value 250 for a desktop build of Ubuntu?
[05:23] <setuid> IM!HO, that's just wrong, _especially_ where media and sound is concerned
[05:24] <dtchen_> it's not.
[05:24] <dtchen_> it's tickless and dynamic
[05:24] <dtchen_> but - i agree that PREEMPT being disabled for -generic is a travesty
[05:25] <setuid> # grep CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep -v ^#
[05:25] <setuid> CONFIG_HZ=250
[05:25] <setuid> CONFIG_HZ_250=y
[05:26] <dtchen_> that's a side effect of enabling NOHZ
[05:28] <setuid> I'm going to rebuild it with CONFIG_HZ=1000, and see if that improves responsiveness with VMware Workstation images... they're thrashing the disk like mad.
[05:28] <setuid> MUCH more than with previous kernels
[05:29] <dtchen_> you want to enable PREEMPT, then.
[05:29] <dtchen_> possibly set the default io scheduler to deadline
[05:29] <maco> feisty was the last one to do so
[05:29] <maco> dtchen_: thats what you said the other day, right?
[05:29] <dtchen_> maybe; check gitweb
[05:33] <setuid> hrm, a 5.7G CD image... very interesting
[05:51] <Slartibartfast> when i my monitor gets black because i did not do soemthing for some time and i move my mouse, it takes quiet some time to get my desktop back. And it even takes longer to see the mouse pointer on the screen ...
[05:52] <Slartibartfast> Is this a nvidia driver problem ?
[05:58] <Slartibartfast> anybody has similar X behaviour?
[06:00] <burner> anyone hip to nvidia?  I still can't figure out how to move my monitors to be opposite of how they are.  left to right, right to left
[06:00] <setuid> burner, LeftOf and RightOf in your xorg.conf
[06:00] <setuid> google those three components and youll find plenty of examples
[06:01] <burner> do i have to do it by hand?  I tried nvidia-settings but it says it cant set teh meta mode
[06:01] <setuid> Yes, do it by hand
[06:03] <burner> gr... stupid nvidia... too bad nouveau is so slow
[06:03] <setuid> nouveau is faster than nvidia at 2D, but not 3D, not yet
[06:05] <burner> it's slower with flash video too
[06:06]  * burner shrugs and goes back to nouveau just for proper xrandr support
[06:06] <Slartibartfast> wow ... there goes X, something terribly crash :-) ... black screen  think need to do an "ctrl alt bksp"
[06:07] <Slartibartfast> aha yes .... _usr_bin_plasma.1000.crash
[06:14] <Slartibartfast> So i have this  _usr_bin_plasma.1000.crash file ... But also using a nvidia driver ... Is it still useful to file a bug report?
[06:16] <Slartibartfast> because i am not really sure if plasma crashed because of the driver or not
[06:30] <setuid> Thanks for the help, all... I'll be back. :)
[07:05] <deepthought> anyone know if the restricted nvidia driver for Jaunty will be available anytime soon ?
[07:06] <les> what's wrong with nvidia-glx-180?
[07:08] <deepthought> les: talking to me ?
[07:08] <les> yeah
[07:08] <deepthought> IS THAT IN THE REPOS ?
[07:08] <deepthought> whoops caps
[07:12] <deepthought> les: I suppose you mean the standard restricted driver ?   It doesn't work well with the new xorg-server
[07:14] <Alexia_Death> deepthought: I does decently for me.
[07:14] <Alexia_Death> IgnoreABI is still needed AFAIK tho.
[07:15] <deepthought> Alexia_Death: the one installed through the hardware-drivers app ?
[07:16] <Alexia_Death> Well, i installed it throug sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 but I suppose its the same.
[07:16] <deepthought> Alexia_Death: yep...   I guess the problem is my dual-head setup, that won't go
[07:17] <Alexia_Death> deepthought: but like I said, It will need IgnoreABI "true" in your xorg conf
[07:17] <Alexia_Death> deepthought: I sont see why it woudnt...
[07:17] <Alexia_Death> dont*
[07:17] <deepthought> Alexia_Death: then I went to launchpad and found that there's buggy support in new xorg for it
[07:17] <les> weird. it Works For Me<tm> without the ABI config
[07:18] <deepthought> les: ABI config ?
[07:18] <Alexia_Death> les: oh. then My info may be obsolete. It did initially.
[07:18]  * Alexia_Death checks x log
[07:20] <Alexia_Death> les: you seem to be right. No more ABI warnings.
[07:20] <les> success :)
[07:21] <Alexia_Death> :d
[07:21] <Alexia_Death> :D
[07:30] <deepthought> les: Alexia_Death, pff.. back, quassel keeps  crashing on me too...  had to re-re-reboot...
[07:31] <deepthought> maybe I better move back to Ibex...
[08:19] <balrog__> will jaunty have the X autoconfiguration that intrepid did?
[08:20] <crdlb> yes?
[08:20] <rww> balrog__: you mean how it has an almost-empty xorg.conf? yes, it will
[08:21] <balrog__> sweet
[08:24] <Infecto> any one know how to disable alt in konsole?
[08:24] <Infecto> when i push alt coursor is market like i will leave from console
[08:25] <Infecto> but i only push alt
[08:25] <Infecto> i must push it again
[08:51] <timothy> I think I've found a problem with Network Manager under jaunty, it doesn't want to manage any of my network interfaces
[08:55] <timothy> anyone about and able to help ?
[09:08] <dns53> clear out your /etc/network/interfaces so it only contains the loopback entry
[09:09] <Numbers> Morning
[09:09] <dns53> hey
[09:10] <Numbers> So, I'm going back down to 180.259
[09:10] <Numbers> 180.29 in nvidia drivers
[09:10] <Numbers> can't watch video cause it's all blocky
[09:10] <Numbers> :(
[10:29] <VSpike> Does anyone know if gwibber in 9.04 should be run against the Webkit PPA or the standard Webkit?
[10:37] <crdlb> VSpike: presumably a package in the regular repos would work with other packages from the repos?
[12:38] <Wicla> Hello. Anything changed in the Networking Manager? I'm unable to connect to my wireless network since I updated my system with todays updates
[12:42] <Wicla> It's protected by WPA-PSK. I'm able to connect to some unprotected networks
[12:44] <Wicla> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[12:44] <Wicla> module: iwlagn
[12:45] <Numbers> Now by the looks of it, just did a quick check of the changes mailing list
[12:45] <Numbers> now*
[12:45] <Numbers> not*
[12:46] <Wicla> Hm ok. As i said, was working yesterday, but not today after a bunch of updates
[12:46] <Wicla> Don't know if there was any driver updates
[12:47] <Numbers> Mine was fine this morning after update, that was about 5 hours ago
[12:47] <Wicla> ok
[13:35] <setuid> Anyone awake yet?
[13:36] <setuid> I'm having some issues installing my hand-built kernels (build with make-kpkg, using Ubuntu kernel sources)
[13:43] <setuid> Looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/jYBjO772.html
[13:45] <setuid> hrm, looks like a known problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/292606
[13:57] <vbgunz> anybody know how to get powerdevil to associate itself with the power button? I am failing miserably and the system just shuts down :/
[13:58] <Infecto> i have problem with turning off compiz
[13:59] <Infecto> any one experience the samy problem or its only me? :)
[13:59] <setuid> Infecto, You failed to state the problem
[14:00] <Infecto> setuid: so you dont understand me? :)
[14:00] <Hobbsee> what are you replacing compiz with?
[14:01] <Infecto> i just wan to turn off efects
[14:01] <Infecto> i need flat desktop
[14:01] <Infecto> without any extra things
[14:01] <Infecto> like sliding etc
[14:02] <Infecto> compiz dont have registered configuration tool
[14:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'm jsut reopening that bug
[14:05] <Numbers> ooh compiz updates.. are effects about to work again?
[14:05] <Hobbsee> effects work fine here
[14:06] <Numbers> works for some, doesn't for others.. they dont work for me since the nvidia update 2 days back
[14:07] <Hobbsee> right.  well, nvidia...
[14:07] <Numbers> debian/patches/032_compiz_manager_add_gnomecompat:
[14:07] <Numbers>     - enable gnomecompat automatically in a gnome session
[14:07] <Numbers> I'm a noob so gimme so slack ;)
[14:08]  * Hobbsee mutters something about nonfree hardware, and expecting brokenness.
[14:09] <Infecto> hmmm
[14:09] <Infecto> i love nvidia too ;)
[14:11]  * setuid solved his nvidia-common issue with custom kernel builds
[14:11] <setuid> woo
[14:46] <Finnish> How do I disable Evolution notificator?
[14:54] <scizzo-> Finnish: in the session setup
[14:55] <scizzo-> Finnish: System -> Administrator or something like that...and then session
[14:57] <Finnish> I can't find it!
[14:57] <xxploit> Finnish my disappeared after an update
[14:58] <xxploit> Finnish: from terminal issue gnome-session-properties...i think thats the correct command
[15:55] <humbolt> I have no touchpad scrolling in jaunty ... known bug? or do I need to file it?
[15:58] <theholyduck> humbolt, jaunty needs some HAL stuff for touchpad to work i think
[15:58] <theholyduck> since the synaptics config moved from xorg to hal
[15:58] <theholyduck> but dont ask me how :P
[16:36] <_MMA_> Can anyone tell me why I can run compiz with "fusion-icon" but not through Appearances Preferences->Visual Effects?
[16:41]  * CosmiChaos got back from "a cup of coffee for my keyboard." - i completely demontaged it, cleaned it, dried it, back i am ;)
[16:42] <CosmiChaos> hell there were stuff in in 8~{}
[16:43] <maco> _MMA_: no idea, but ive never had the Appearances thing work properly while fusion-icon always has
[16:54] <aotianlong>  any one installed ati driver on ubuntu9.04 jaunty.
[16:55] <aotianlong> i can't watch movies.
[16:55] <aotianlong> it's too slow on full screen mode
[16:55] <aotianlong> and my compiz not work
[16:55] <aotianlong> how
[16:55] <aotianlong> and when
[16:56] <aotianlong> to resove this problem
[16:56] <aotianlong> resolve
[16:57] <fosco_> not sure, i have nvidia
[16:57] <fosco_> but try changing output video  in your player
[16:57] <fosco_> Xv should work fine
[16:57] <aotianlong> your nvidia works?
[16:57] <fosco_> yes
[16:58] <aotianlong> i hate ATI.
[17:11] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[17:11] <BUGabundo> just taken a sneek, while at work!
[17:11] <BUGabundo> anything new?
[17:17] <fosco_> not much, alpha5 out and so :)
[17:19] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, bored at the new job already? hehe
[17:19] <BUGabundo> learning and getting used to all new stuff
[17:19] <BUGabundo> not much to do yet
[17:20] <billybigrigger> you got hired as sysadmin?
[17:22] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:22] <BUGabundo> gonna setup a new server (ubuntu maybe)
[17:23] <BUGabundo> all it needs is LAMP
[17:23] <billybigrigger> hehe spread it around :P
[17:25] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:25]  * billybigrigger needs a job too
[17:26] <billybigrigger> sucks i have to look into areas of work of which i have no expierience
[17:26] <billybigrigger> at least on paper
[17:27]  * billybigrigger flips the bird to the oil patch!!!
[17:27] <billybigrigger> haha kind of hard for an out of work Driller to try and find a job in an office somewhere haha kind of a bad time to be looking for a career change
[17:28] <billybigrigger> 100's of thousands are in the same boat as me right now in canada
[17:28] <billybigrigger> huge layoffs, i've been out of a job for over a month now
[17:31] <andresmh> is it safe to assume that the bug with i845 or i865 video chipsets will be fixed by the time jaunty is released?
[17:33] <billybigrigger> well i imagine they want it fixed before release yes
[17:35] <maco> would dhclient failing to accept leases after changing APs with the same ESSID until i unload & reload iwlagn be a bug in dhclient or iwlagn?
[17:44] <CosmiChaos> can you say "pwng"? :=)
[17:50] <CosmiChaos> jaunty pwnz! :)
[17:51] <CosmiChaos> runs well on edge
[18:00] <BUGabundo> maco: or NM
[18:00] <maco> BUGabundo: im not using NM
[18:00] <maco> it breaks my session
[18:01] <maco> if i use NM, i cant launch GUI apps
[18:03] <skyjumper> why might pulseaudio be running and accepting connections, but not playing any audio?
[18:03] <skyjumper> output via OSS works fine
[18:04] <skyjumper> killing the daemon and restarting has no effect
[18:04] <mnemo> skyjumper: got your headphones plugged in or maybe speakers are off, heh?
[18:05] <skyjumper> 13:03 < skyjumper> output via OSS works fine
[18:05] <mnemo> oh right ;>
[18:05] <mnemo> maybe some OSS app still had the audio output locked?
[18:05] <skyjumper> then i wouldn't be able to use OSS, either
[18:09] <skyjumper> D: module-hal-detect.c: Loading module-alsa-sink with arguments 'device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_293e_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 tsched=1'
[18:09] <skyjumper> E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-alsa-sink": file not found
[18:11] <BUGabundo> does anyone know where I can get a copy of ConcourseSuite FOSS?
[18:24] <DrHalan> hey, how do i set the owner of a folder recursively. nautilus cant do that :(
[18:28] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: sudo chown -R dir
[18:28] <maco> you missed a bit
[18:29] <maco> chown -R user:group dir
[18:29] <fosco_> DrHalan, chown -R
[18:31] <DrHalan> wow nice that worked thansk maco and BUGabundo :)
[18:31] <DrHalan> this bug seems to be open for a long time..
[18:32] <BUGabundo> duh  slopy me
[18:40] <BUGabundo> 1st day of new #job done! now gym !
[18:42] <CosmiChaos> does anyone got powertop showing powerusage??
[18:44] <CosmiChaos> mine doesnt work any idea? jaunty, intel c2d on xfx 630i geforce 7150
[18:44] <CosmiChaos> Keine ACPI Stromverbrauch-Schätzung verfügbar
[19:10] <vbgunz> does anyone know why kopete no longer shows custom names to some of my contacts? I give everyone a first and last name. some of them no longer show it. why?
[19:11] <Numbers> woohoo, compiz working.. nvidia driver working and no more blocky videos :D result
[19:11] <Ienorand> I'm getting auth. fail with KpackageKit in Kubuntu, it is sopposed to kdesu on start isn't it?
[19:11] <theholyduck> Numbers, i dont like compiz. it ruins most vos in some way or another
[19:12] <theholyduck> -vo xv sometimes has horrible issues with it. -vo gl* always has horrible issues
[19:12] <theholyduck> and -vo x11 isnt optimal
[19:12] <Numbers> theholyduck, it makes me feel less boring :)
[19:12] <theholyduck> 'im guessing it doesnt play well with -vo vdpau aswell
[19:12] <theholyduck> but i havent tried that
[19:26] <DGMurdockIII> how is the support for via chipsets
[19:26] <DGMurdockIII> is there any improvments for supporting them
[19:29] <drostie> Has anyone managed to get eduroam working on the new default kubuntu network manager?
[19:29] <drostie> Or, for that matter, any 802.1x ("Dynamic WEP") system with a Phase2 auth?
[19:37] <Infecto> Numbers: how You do this? simply up to date sys?
[19:37] <Infecto> or some work around?
[20:00] <DGMurdockIII> how is the support for via chipsets?
[20:02] <SwedeMike> my experience with via c7 was bad with 8.10 anyway. Via is mostly talk, little action when it comes to FOSS
[20:03] <DGMurdockIII> not the cpu\
[20:03] <DGMurdockIII> there old chipset that uset to be good and widely used
[20:04] <SwedeMike> this was the whole shebang, via everything
[20:04] <SwedeMike> processor, chipset, gfx
[20:06] <Volkodav> python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[20:06] <Volkodav> E: Broken packages
[20:06] <Volkodav> Is python issue resolved yet ?
[20:06] <Volkodav> or some apps need to be rebuild against new version &
[20:06] <Volkodav> ?
[20:08] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: I upgraded yesterday and everything was fine.
[20:12] <Volkodav> dist-upgrade you mean ?
[20:14] <Volkodav> I can not install some apps though that were removed
[20:14] <Volkodav> getting this error
[20:20] <Volkodav> SwedeMike what version python do you have installed ?
[20:23] <SwedeMike> 2.5.4-1ubuntu2, 2.6.1-1ubuntu1, 3.0.1-0ubuntu5
[20:23] <SwedeMike> sudo dpkg --list | grep -i libpython
[20:23] <SwedeMike> ii  libpython2.6                              2.6.1-1ubuntu1
[20:28] <badp> Hello. How can I tell if I'm running the Intel i845 or i865 video chipsets before Jaunty tells me?
[20:30] <Volkodav> Hmm - I have same packages but the ones removed look like require older version ? What the solution may be ?
[20:37] <yofel> badp: have you tried 'lspci' ?
[20:37] <badp> "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)"
[20:39] <badp> I don't know if the lack of those substrings means I'm not affected by that bug =/
[20:39] <martijn81> can someone please backport ktorrent 3.2? https://bugs.launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+bug/330456
[20:46] <martijn81> please?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> martijn81: You might try this process for getting it done: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages
[20:50] <badp> Oh, yay, I am affected too.
[20:50] <badp> OH_WELL Alpha 6 it is then. =/
[20:51] <badp> Thanks, later!
[20:53] <Numbers> Infecto, I removed all nvidia related packages and then reinstalled, rebooted, then enabled the driver via hardware drivers, rebooted again and it worked
[20:53] <martijn81> charlie-tca: there already is a bug for this
[20:55] <charlie-tca> I see. Problem is Jaunty only has 2.2 and the bug is requesting 3.2 backported to intrepid. Can't backport a version that doesn't exist for Jaunty
[21:00] <crdlb> !info ktorrent
[21:01] <Numbers> !info dropbox
[21:01] <Numbers> !info nautilus-dropbox
[21:02] <Numbers> heh, just playing
[21:02] <Numbers> in similar news, Jaunty broke dropbox
[21:05] <charlie-tca> crdlb: thanks for the information. I confirmed the bug, so maybe it can happen
[21:08] <Volkodav> hmm I have 2.5.4 installed but why won't it see only 2.6.1 and won't install ?
[21:09] <Volkodav> that's strange
[21:11] <charlie-tca> martijn81: bug is confirmed and backport team subscribed; may see action
[21:11] <bardyr> Numbers, the dropbox beta works
[21:19] <Numbers> bardyr, apparantly the recent gtk updates broke it again?
[21:19] <bardyr> Numbers, im running dropbox with the latest updates
[21:20] <bardyr> (but i have not restarted gdm yet)
[22:09] <nemo> ok. I have a teeensy problem
[22:09] <nemo> I went ahead and added ext4 to a laptop I'm fortunately not terribly attached to.
[22:10] <nemo> I now have a grub error on startup - I'd like to boot off a CD and do an fsck
[22:10] <nemo> but. that means I need a version of a jaunty CD with ext4 support
[22:10] <nemo> anyone can tell me where I can find such a thing?
[22:11] <Volkodav> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:12] <Volkodav> or grab the latest alpha which will fit on CD
[22:14] <nemo> Volkodav: thanks
[22:15] <Volkodav> np
[22:23] <hanasaki> what should i apt-get to install support to play a wav fil eon the desktop?
[22:25] <theholyduck> anything should be able to play a wav :P
[22:25] <theholyduck> its just raw audio anyway
[22:25] <hanasaki> hmmbrings up totem on double click.. says video is in use by another program.....
[22:26] <theholyduck> totem is a shitty application though
[22:26] <theholyduck> i wouldnt trust it to do anything
[22:26] <hanasaki> lol what should I use for video ? audio? movie playing?
[22:26] <hanasaki> lol totem is the default htat was installed
[22:26] <theholyduck> hanasaki, well yes
[22:26] <theholyduck> because its easy
[22:27] <theholyduck> its also crap
[22:27] <theholyduck> mplayer with whatever frontend you need to be able to use it
[22:27] <theholyduck> except ubuntu ships a 2 year old mplayer
[22:28] <theholyduck> actually your BEST solution is probally the almost worse than totem media player called vlc
[22:28] <hanasaki> well thats no good... even +1 is the OLD version?
[22:29] <theholyduck> hanasaki, yes :P
[22:29] <theholyduck> because mplayer doesnt DO release
[22:29] <theholyduck> s
[22:29] <theholyduck> and everyone refuses to package a svn
[22:29] <theholyduck> actually mplayer MIGHT blurt out a version soon. but i doubt it will be included
[22:30] <theholyduck> and then you're left with vlc
[22:30] <theholyduck> wich is full of weird bugs. and horrible performance
[22:30] <crdlb> -_-
[22:30] <theholyduck> really. ubuntu sucks at multimedia
[22:30]  * crdlb likes totem
[22:31] <theholyduck> always has. always will.
[22:31] <hanasaki> bummer
[22:31] <hanasaki> maybe I should go back to debian?
[22:31] <theholyduck> hanasaki, well if you're willing to risk it
[22:31] <crdlb> it does all the little things right, like disabling the screensaver
[22:31] <theholyduck> debian-multimedia :P
[22:31] <theholyduck> in ubuntu that is
[22:32] <theholyduck> it gives up to dateish mplayer
[22:32] <hanasaki> thanks folks
[22:37] <nemo> Volkodav: hm. 710MiB won't fit on an 80 minute CD - do I need to turn on overburning?
[22:38] <nemo> I'm going to go with "yes"  CDs are cheap :)
[22:39] <Volkodav> you can get regular size here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-5/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso
[22:41] <Volkodav> in case your overburn вщуы тще цщкл
[22:42] <Volkodav> does not work I meant*
[22:42] <nemo> :)
[22:42] <nemo> I was about to paste that into google translate
[22:45] <david_> Hi, can someone help me troubleshoot a network problem please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/336674
[23:01] <Numbers> I can't help but think that a huge mistake was made by removing the logout, restart and shutdown items from the 'System' menu :/
[23:04] <theholyduck> i cant help but think that every ubuntu + 1 has been -1 in terms of usability for geeks :P but that doesnt mean anyone is going to do anything about it
[23:04] <Numbers> :p
[23:04] <theholyduck> 8.10 seems to randomly crash for me for example :P
[23:05] <aboSamoor> compiz is not starting on gnome startup even there is no errors while running it manually !
[23:05] <theholyduck> i didnt even NOTICE before now though. since i dont really use ubuntu
[23:06] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, if you want to configure everything yourself, I don't think ubuntu is the right place to go. I grew bored of running linux on my desktop in 1998, I came back because of ubuntu about a year ago
[23:07] <SwedeMike> editing xorg.conf (XF86Config back then) wasn't fun 1995, it wasn't fun 2005 either
[23:07] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, really?
[23:07] <SwedeMike> but with ubuntu most things just work out of the box
[23:07] <theholyduck> if i put in a ubuntu install cd and boot up now
[23:07] <theholyduck> it will "autodetect and autoconfigure" my graphics card
[23:08] <theholyduck> and then feel mighty smart as it displays a black screen
[23:08] <theholyduck> until i drop into terminal and edit xorg.conf
[23:08] <theholyduck> :P
[23:08] <theholyduck> and make it invalid or add the correct driver line
[23:08] <theholyduck> so ubuntu can pick a WORKING graphics driver
[23:08] <SwedeMike> well, 9.04 works for me on my thinkpad X200, 7.10 worked out of the box on my old laptop (centrino/intel graphics based)
[23:09] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, i've never had a box where i DIDNT have to tinkle to make ubuntu work
[23:09] <SwedeMike> my thinkpad works correctly with empty xorg.conf
[23:09] <theholyduck> thus i always use a distro that encourage tinkering
[23:09] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, that was my idea of all linux until I ran into ubuntu.
[23:09] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well i ALWAYS have to tinkle a bit anyway
[23:09] <SwedeMike> because I tried to install debian etch and it wouldn't start up properly.. lenny actually seems to work when I tried it, even for graphics
[23:09] <theholyduck> i just installed ubuntu 8.10 to do some package testing
[23:10] <Numbers> I keep meaning to give gentoo another try now that the install doesn't take a week, lol
[23:10] <theholyduck> Numbers, dont :P
[23:10] <SwedeMike> 8.10 won't use correct display resolution on my x200, but works fairly well in most other aspects
[23:10] <theholyduck> the only people who are worse at packaging than ubuntu
[23:10] <theholyduck> is gentoo :P
[23:10] <theholyduck> seriously. the people maintaining ebuilds should be shot
[23:10]  * bruce89 can't stand dialogues
[23:10] <Numbers> heh.. lfs was my next bet
[23:10] <ryanpg> anyone know why I can no longer see IRQs listed in process lists? top and ps used to show IRQs and corresponding PIDs but not now
[23:10] <theholyduck> Numbers, if you WANT compile from source distro
[23:10] <SwedeMike> well, I like debian and ubuntu, sticking with that. debian on my server(s), ubuntu on the desktops
[23:11] <theholyduck> take a look at lunar :P
[23:11] <theholyduck> its packaged by lesser idiots
[23:11] <theholyduck> and everything is written in bash so its easy to work with
[23:11] <Numbers> SwedeMike, we object to Debian on our servers at work.. a lot of the packages seemed way behind
[23:12] <theholyduck> when i use debian i always stick with unstable
[23:12] <theholyduck> though testing is fine for most peopl
[23:12] <SwedeMike> Numbers: debian lenny should be fairly up to date... but yes, debian aims for stability, not state of the art.
[23:12] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, lenny is stable now :P
[23:12] <Numbers> it had a painfully old php version too, which caused all sorts of problems as we were developing on a newer version
[23:12] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: I know.
[23:12] <theholyduck> you want squeeze
[23:12] <david_> Any distro recommendations if I can't get networking on my EeePC900 running Jaunty?
[23:12] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: no, I don't.
[23:12] <Numbers> david_, go back down to intrepid then
[23:13] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well you WOULD want sqeeuze as debian will turn ooold :P
[23:13] <theholyduck> *stable
[23:13]  * theholyduck goes back to his debootstraping install
[23:13] <Numbers> david_, a couple of friends of mine are having trouble with networkmanager, could be that
[23:13] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: I was running etch up until two months ago, it worked fine. you apply some backports etc so you get the new anti-virus/spam stuff, and it's quite stable.
[23:14] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well yes. but its very annoying for desktop use
[23:14]  * theholyduck uses unstable with exprimental and svn builds
[23:14] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: quite, 18-24 months release cycle is a pain if you want newer hw, but for a server that you use for 3-4 years it's perfect.
[23:14] <david_> Numbers: any pointers for troubleshooting networking?
[23:14] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well it doesnt HAVE a release cycle
[23:14] <theholyduck> the point of debian is no release cycle :)
[23:14] <Numbers> david_, no.. mine just works
[23:15] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, they seem to aim for 18-24 months anyway.
[23:15] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, no. it just turns stable then :P
[23:15] <Numbers> anyways, bed time.. getting late here and I need to be able to get up for a day at work tomorrow
[23:15] <Numbers> laters
[23:15] <david_> Numbers: Lucky you ;-)
[23:15] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, a new stable wont be released untill all bugs in testing is worked out
[23:15] <theholyduck> basiclyt
[23:15] <theholyduck> if it takes 4 years. then it will take 4 years
[23:15] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: "all"? so the 100 release critical left in lenny is "all"?
[23:16] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well within limitations :P
[23:16] <theholyduck> it should work on all arcs aswell obviously
[23:16] <theholyduck> but it makes it stagnate horribly
[23:16] <nemo> Volkodav: http://www.georgebashi.com/2009/02/05/ext4-jaunty-and-grub/ - looks like that is my problem
[23:16] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: stable.
[23:16] <nemo> Volkodav: perhaps I need to make a /boot partition :(
[23:16] <SwedeMike> it might be boring, but it's stable.
[23:17] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, but even ubuntu has a tendency to stagnate
[23:17] <SwedeMike> stagnate how?
[23:17] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, refusing upgrades because applying them would be messy :P
[23:18] <SwedeMike> well, after they've released nothing should be changed.
[23:18] <aboSamoor> any idea how to make compiz run on startup ? it was running on startup before upgrading from intrepid
[23:18] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, even if there are MASSIVE improvemnts in upgrades?
[23:18] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: security fixes should be applied, but nothing else. it should be improved for the next release instead.
[23:18] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, but thats 6 months away :P
[23:18] <theholyduck> etc
[23:18] <theholyduck> :P
[23:19] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, it's obvious that debian unstable is perfect for you.
[23:19] <theholyduck> true :D
[23:19] <theholyduck> some packages cant handle 2 weeks of stagnation
[23:19] <theholyduck> months of it is really really bad
[23:19] <SwedeMike> what packages might that be?
[23:19] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, x264 ffmpeg and to some degree mplayer
[23:19] <theholyduck> all have super fast developement
[23:20] <SwedeMike> well, then you'd better build your own svn build environment and use that instead
[23:20] <theholyduck> where 2 weeks is the difference between working and totally broken :P
[23:20] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, but that breaks ubuntu packaging :P
[23:20] <SwedeMike> you can make packages of it.
[23:20] <theholyduck> since ffmpeg in ubuntu is compiled as 20 d.ebs
[23:20] <theholyduck> *debs
[23:20] <theholyduck> and packaging like that is a pain
[23:20] <theholyduck> you COULD make your own /usr/local/binversion
[23:20] <SwedeMike> well, keeping up with those projects is a pain.
[23:20] <theholyduck> since that will override the ubuntu one
[23:21] <SwedeMike> mplayer is a mess.
[23:21] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, admitedly
[23:21] <theholyduck> but its fast and stable
[23:21] <theholyduck> and the best mediaplayer around
[23:21] <SwedeMike> absolutely, but the whole project is a total mess.
[23:21] <theholyduck> its a bloody mess. but a bloody mess that WORKS
[23:22] <SwedeMike> but it's even hard to compile properly.
[23:22] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, you dont need to tell me about that. im working on a ubuntu ppa rep :P
[23:22] <theholyduck> i got ffmpeg, x264, xvid, and faac to compile correctly and reliably
[23:22] <theholyduck> that works with ubuntu and follows ubuntu packaging guidelines
[23:23] <theholyduck> but mplayer is alot harder to crack
[23:24] <nemo> ok. now that I'm back in my friggen system.
[23:24] <nemo> let me try his suggestion for updating grub
[23:28] <eternal_p> evening all...quick question..any way to get the latest version of Wine running under Jaunty?
[23:32] <Royall> is it possible to downgrade to 8.10?
[23:32] <Royall> from 9.04
[23:32] <Royall> as in, from Jaunty to Interpid
[23:32] <rww> !downgrade
[23:33] <Royall> well 9.04 broke my system as it is
[23:33] <rww> It's probably possible, but would be tedious, and your installation wouldn't work at the end of it.
[23:33] <rww> Royall: back up your data and reinstall from scratch.
[23:33] <Royall> I can't even start nautilus to back up data
[23:34] <rww> Boot from a LiveCD, mount the Jaunty partition, back up your data, and reinstall.
[23:34] <Royall> hm, that could work, thanks
[23:34] <joaopinto> Royall, also is not advised to use an alpha version with important data...
[23:34] <joaopinto> to late
[23:34] <billybigrigger> anyone here by chance have an antec earthwatts 380w PSU?
[23:36] <rww> billybigrigger: I have the same brand, but in 500w
[23:39] <billybigrigger> oh
[23:39] <billybigrigger> was just wondering what video card i can power with the 380w
[23:39] <rww> billybigrigger: ask in ##hardware
[23:40] <billybigrigger> it only has 17a and 15a on the 12v, but ive been reading people are powering 9800's and new ati 48x series cards with this psu which is hard to believe
[23:40] <billybigrigger> k thanks rww i will


[00:37] <phillw> nice easy question... will grub ever say "Xubuntu", "Kubuntu" or always say "Ubuntu"?
[04:45] <infinity> antarus / cjwatson: Huh, I could have sworn I accepted that Unity/24h thing last week.  Maybe I dreamed it.
[04:46] <infinity> Oh, or I ran sru-accept but forgot to actually accept it from the queue.  We so need to fix that.
[05:34] <ScottK> phillw: Ubuntu always.
[06:24] <antarus> infinity: I can't say I'm overly familiar with the specifics, but I'm not afraid to bug you guys about it ;)
[06:25] <antarus> (specifics of the SRU process, that is)
[06:51] <infinity> antarus: Heh.  I'm fairly sure I was just asleep at the wheel when I half-accepted that unity upload.  But Colin's got it covered, so all good.
[09:51] <xnox> phillw: you can preseed that.
[09:52] <xnox> phillw: and it should work (both server and desktop)
[09:53] <xnox> phillw: x|k|ubuntu are equivalent operating system installed from the same archive. note that one install can have all three ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop packages installed, or used-to be installed and later removed.
[12:33] <Riddell> gosh there's a programme in here using AGPL, I presume we consider that free software
[12:34] <cjwatson> Yes
[12:35] <Riddell> hockeypuck (0.8.1~bzr104) raring; urgency=low     hmm not sure that style of version number is kosher
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm, a native package
[12:35] <cjwatson> What's wrong with it?
[12:35] <cjwatson> It's fine if it's native
[12:37] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=17;bug=495721 - Debian ref on AGPL
[12:37] <Riddell> yeah I guess so, not sure why an OpenPGP Key Server is a native ubuntu only project but ok if that's what they want
[12:38] <cjwatson> Yeah, it's odd but not reject-worthy on its own
[13:21] <cjwatson> plars: I'm thinking of disabling -proposed in 12.04 images later today, in preparation for 12.04.2.  How are things looking for smoke-testing (you're running verification for .2, aren't you?)?
[13:43] <zequence> Is there a release schedule for 12.04.2 somewhere, with more detailed info than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[13:47] <cjwatson> zequence: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-January/001009.html
[13:51] <zequence> cjwatson: Thanks. I was just curious. Ubuntu Studio would have had cause for doing a couple of updates, but that'll have to wait.
[13:51] <cjwatson> It's pretty late.  They could maybe just about make it if they're critical and ready to go.  If they're not critical, best to wait.
[13:52] <zequence> Not critical. More aesthetic, really.
[13:52] <zequence> We'll wait
[14:22] <plars> cjwatson: we have automated jobs that get watched daily, and are looking good for the iso smoke testing. The upgrade testing showed up with a couple of jobs failing this morning that need to be investigated, and there are a few dpkg-dist files left over on some of the upgrade testing.
[14:22] <plars> cjwatson: otherwise, we've been spot checking the daily isos manually in preparation for locking things down and getting the release candidate images on the iso tracker
[15:32] <plars> cjwatson: the upgrade failures I mentioned earlier seem to be caused by some jenkins madness, and they're getting rerun now
[15:34] <cjwatson> plars: OK, great.  For 12.04.2 I'm less concerned about upgrade testing anyway since that is not tied to milestone releases.
[15:36] <plars> cjwatson: indeed
[15:56] <slangasek> hi, can someone tell me why ubuntukylin-default-settings was rejected from raring?  I was expecting to accept it here shortly once the dependencies made it to the archive
[15:58] <Laney> slangasek: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2013-February/045989.html
[15:58] <ogra> because of the werid name ?
[15:59] <ogra> why does it need a GLP3 copy ?
[15:59] <ogra> *GPL
[15:59] <ogra>  /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3 exists, just needs to point there
[16:01]  * ogra agrees wrt the naming ... i would have called it ubuntu-default-settings-kylin
[16:02] <slangasek> Laney: ta
[16:03] <slangasek> ubuntukylin is the proposed name of the flavor
[16:03] <slangasek> so the package name is correct as-is
[16:05] <ogra> ah, k
[16:06] <cjwatson> Riddell: I agree with ogra; it is not necessary to have a GPLv3 copy, as long as there's a common-licenses reference
[16:06] <cjwatson> We need to stop rejecting for that, it's ridiculous
[16:07] <ogra> well, we need to check for the reference still indeed
[16:07] <cjwatson> The intent of the copyright holder needs to be clear
[16:07] <cjwatson> And there needs to be a reference in debian/copyright in the case of common-licenses, or a full copy in debian/copyright otherwise
[16:08] <cjwatson> But as far as the rest of the package is concerned, we don't need to police exactly how the licensing is applied as long as it's clear - and for a native package, debian/copyright should be sufficient
[16:08] <Riddell> it was mostly for the poor description I rejefcted
[16:09] <Riddell> "This package contains customized default settings." doesn't explain at all what it's good for
[16:09] <cjwatson> I agree that that should be improved
[16:09] <cjwatson> But let's not confuse uploaders with unnecessary requirements :)
[18:21] <infinity> cjwatson: Are we definitely settled on d-i components and ready for a "final" (barring last-minute argh) dot-two upload?
[18:24] <infinity> cjwatson: Well, you have a no-change rebuild in the queue, accept when ready.
[20:57] <tgm4883> I've got an odd request. Is it possible to get a previous release ISO removed from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[20:57] <tgm4883> specifically, the Mythbuntu ISOs
[20:57] <tgm4883> Notably, because of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/992241
[20:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 992241 in Mythbuntu "Upgrading using the live cd wipes /var/lib/mythtv/*" [Critical,Fix released]
[20:57] <tgm4883> which was fixed in 12.04.1
[20:58] <tgm4883> I suppose the 12.04 ISOs should be removed as well, leaving just the 12.04.1 ISOs
[20:58] <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/releases/12.04/release/ <-- Only references 12.04.1
[20:59] <tgm4883> infinity, ah, so it does
[20:59] <tgm4883> infinity, so then only 11.10
[20:59] <infinity> 11.10 is EOL shortly anyway, but we could certainly remove it prematurely for just mythbuntu, if that's what that project wants.
[21:00] <tgm4883> infinity, is my say enough, or do you need superm1 and/or Daviey
[21:00] <superm1> i think given the situation it would be better, we've had a few people grabbing them and losing data
[21:00] <tgm4883> IDK who you have down for "can make decisions for Mythbuntu"
[21:00] <infinity> tgm4883: I'd like some level of consensus.
[21:01] <infinity> superm1: That helps.
[21:01] <tgm4883> infinity, we've discussed it internally
[21:01] <infinity> Anyhow, I can just archive them out of the published tree for now, and we can decide later if we just want them to go away entirely or what.
[21:01] <tgm4883> well, except for Daviey, but he's british :P
[21:01] <tgm4883> infinity, sounds good
[21:01] <superm1> good, thanks
[21:03] <infinity> tgm4883 / superm1: Done.  Check mirrors in a few minutes to make sure that's what you wanted.
[21:13] <infinity> tgm4883 / superm1: Should be all good now.
[21:13] <tgm4883> infinity, looking good, thanks again
[21:18] <cjwatson> infinity: I hope so, thanks - accepted
[21:18] <cjwatson> (d-i)
[21:21] <infinity> cjwatson: We don't actually archive non-releases.u.c ISOs to old-releases or anywhere interesting, do we?
[21:22] <infinity> cjwatson: I just moved the above mythbuntu/oneiric to www/mythbuntu-oneiric, but if there's no archiving or anything that we plan to do for it, I should perhaps just delete it.
[21:24] <cjwatson> I think they go on old-releases
[21:24] <cjwatson> Or should
[21:25] <cjwatson> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/mythbuntu/releases/
[21:25] <cjwatson> Actual execution of this has been a bit mixed as you can see, but ...
[21:25] <infinity> Oh, I'm blind.
[21:25] <infinity> Or, rather, didn't scroll down. :P
[21:25] <infinity> So, yeah, we'll keep that off to the side there until we decide to archive all of oneiric.
[21:38] <cjwatson> -proposed is now disabled for subsequent precise image builds
[21:38] <cjwatson> Still a few verifications worth doing
[23:19] <infinity> tjaalton: ^---?
[23:20] <infinity> tjaalton: The previous SRU was done through the security PPA intentionally, but not this one correcting it?
[23:20] <tjaalton> infinity: right, it fixes the goofs in the packaging
[23:20] <infinity> mdeslaur: Want to help out with this?
[23:21] <tjaalton> hm, didn't think of it needing to go through the ppa again
[23:21] <infinity> tjaalton: Yes, but we built it in the security PPA, so it could later be released to security.  That whole thing sort of fails if the fix to the goof isn't done the same way. :P
[23:21] <tjaalton> infinity: ah, ok :)
[23:21] <mdeslaur> ah, yeah
[23:21] <infinity> mdeslaur: Want to just grab those from the queue and bounce them through the PPA?
[23:22] <infinity> mdeslaur: And then I'll reject them. :P
[23:22] <mdeslaur> infinity: sure, one sec
[23:22] <tjaalton> what about verifying the security bugs, is it needed?
[23:22] <tjaalton> or upstream bugs that a drive-by reporter filed ages ago..
[23:23] <tjaalton> fixed by the upstream release
[23:23] <tjaalton> ok to just mark them v-d?
[23:23] <mdeslaur> ok, got them
[23:23] <infinity> mdeslaur: Got both releases?
[23:23] <mdeslaur> yep
[23:24] <tjaalton> cool, thanks
[23:24] <infinity> tjaalton: The general theory of MREs is that you don't necessarily need to verify every bug (but please do have a pretty solid idea that they are in fact fixed).
[23:25] <infinity> tjaalton: Marking them all v-done, however, makes life easier for us.
[23:25] <infinity> tjaalton: (And verifying them to some degree also helps you realise you screwed up, as you apparently did :P)
[23:25] <tjaalton> infinity: yeah, they were filed upstream and fixed some time ago already, the cve's are fresh but they're pretty serious about these..
[23:26] <tjaalton> oh yeah, went through all the packaging fixes/bugs, and noticed them right away..
[23:26] <tjaalton> verified the rest
[23:27] <infinity> Right, when that's all happy in the PPA again, let me know, and I'll copy to -proposed again for your second round of verification. :P
[23:27] <tjaalton> yeah
[23:28] <infinity> If everything's fine except this one bug you've just (re-)fixed (properly), we can probably fast-track it due to the security releasy bits.
[23:29] <tjaalton> yeah the other one is an obvious fix, working around the upstream issue of string substitution in autoconf..
[23:30] <tjaalton> didn't bother writing a correct patch for it, this will do for now
[23:30] <tjaalton> (passing --datadir)
[23:31] <infinity> There's nothing I like to hear more than "didn't bother writing a correct patch".
[23:31] <tjaalton> :)
[23:32] <infinity> Oops, I should have given my kvm 4 CPUs before I went and built glibc in it.
[23:32] <infinity> Oh well, 2 will do.
[23:33] <tjaalton> I did ping upstream about it though, will file a ticket next ;)


[18:47] <GySgt-BioSPHeRe> hello
[18:51] <hggdh> GySgt-BioSPHeRe: hello, what can we do for you?
[18:56] <GySgt-BioSPHeRe> you using weechat by chance?
[19:08] <hggdh> it haapens I am, but this is not a support channel
[19:13] <GySgt-BioSPHeRe> not looking for support
[19:13] <GySgt-BioSPHeRe> just wondering if you have snotify.py working at all or know if its even possible
[19:13] <GySgt-BioSPHeRe> before I spend too much time on it
[19:14] <hggdh> no, I do not use snotify
[19:15]  * Unit193 supports hggdh.
[19:33] <Pici> snot-ify?
[19:51] <hggdh> heh
[19:52] <hggdh> snotify: to snoterise something
[19:52] <Unit193> weechat!
[19:52] <hggdh> mine is not snotered
[20:29] <Unit193> Pici: BTW, did you happen to see my pokings?
[20:33] <Pici> Unit193: no...
[20:34] <Unit193> Hrm, one or two were UDP (Asked what Drone` was, Chantracker+chanreg+limnoria), and the other was about the topic in -team.
[20:41] <Pici> Unit193: oh, right, I should have some time to look at that this weekend.
[20:42] <Unit193> It was just a couple things to remove.  Oh!  And UDP poked you about a "fork" of PackageInfo ProgVal did.
[20:43] <Pici> oh?
[20:43] <Pici> hm
[20:43] <Unit193> ...Do you get pings? :P
[20:47] <Pici> Unit193: yes, but if somehow irssi doesn't go into away mode I can miss them
[21:15] <Unit193> Hah. :D


[03:48] <TimurTabi> I have a question about https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/.  Starting with the 5.7 kernel, the build patch files (e.g. 0001-base-packaging.patch) are no longer included.  Why is that?  I need those files in order to build an upstream kernel and they're just missing with no explanation.
[08:28] <juergh> @TimurTabi, The patches are now provided as a git bundle: crack.bundle in the top directory.
[13:24] <TimurTabi> Thanks.  I've never heard of a git bundle before, so I guess I need to figure that out.
[13:27] <TimurTabi> Was this change documented anywhere? I don't see any reference to bundles on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[13:32] <TimurTabi> $ git pull crack.bundle master
[13:32] <TimurTabi> fatal: couldn't find remote ref master
[13:32] <TimurTabi> Shouldn't that work?
[13:41] <klebers> TimurTabi, you don't need to apply any additional patch anymore on top of the git tag mentioned on the page
[13:41] <klebers> e.g. from https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.12-rc6/
[13:41] <klebers> To obtain the source from which they are built fetch the commit below:
[13:41] <klebers>   git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack cod/mainline/v5.12-rc6
[13:42] <klebers> just fetch that tag, it already contains all the additional patches applied
[13:42] <TimurTabi> What I'm trying to do is create an ubuntu_defconfig from *any* v5.12-rc6 kernel
[13:42] <TimurTabi> not just the one that Canonical used.
[13:43] <TimurTabi> I just need those 5 patch files that are apparently in crack.bundle
[13:43] <klebers> you can likely do it with 'git format-path -1 <sha1>', then you can apply that patch anywhere you need
[13:43] <klebers> actually 'git format-patch ...'
[13:43] <TimurTabi> what <sha1> do I use?
[13:44] <TimurTabi> $ git bundle unbundle crack.bundle
[13:44] <TimurTabi> 7a4e5f292833e50d0c5575afac2a2d81a5d6b18a refs/tags/cod/mainline/v5.12-rc6
[13:44] <TimurTabi> That one?
[13:45] <TimurTabi> That seemed to work, but I don't understand how.
[13:46] <klebers> that command will generate only one patch, if you need the last N patches you can do something like 'git format-patch -N' or 'git format-patch <latest Linus' mainline tag>'
[13:46] <klebers> e.g. 'git format-patch v5.12-rc6'
[13:46] <TimurTabi> How do I know how many patches are in the bundle?
[13:48] <TimurTabi> "git format-patch v5.12-rc6" gave me 30 patches.  That's not what I want
[13:48] <TimurTabi> Ah, maybe this:
[13:48] <TimurTabi> $ git format-patch v5.12-rc6..7a4e5f292833e50d0c5575afac2a2d81a5d6b18a
[13:48] <TimurTabi> 0001-base-packaging.patch
[13:48] <TimurTabi> 0002-UBUNTU-SAUCE-kbuild-add-fcf-protection-none-when-usi.patch
[13:48] <TimurTabi> 0003-UBUNTU-SAUCE-add-vmlinux.strip-to-BOOT_TARGETS1-on-p.patch
[13:48] <TimurTabi> 0004-UBUNTU-SAUCE-tools-hv-lsvmbus-add-manual-page.patch
[13:48] <TimurTabi> 0005-debian-changelog.patch
[13:48] <TimurTabi> 0006-configs-based-on-refs-remotes-unstable-master.patch
[13:49] <TimurTabi> Did the "git bundle unbundle" command create those commits, but in a detached state?
[13:49] <klebers> yeah, that looks like to be what you want
[13:50] <klebers> not sure about the bundle, would need to take a look
[13:51] <TimurTabi> I mean, that's what it looks like it does, but I'm still confused about how bundles work, so I'm not sure.
[15:30] <kwilczynski> TimurTabi: Bundle just "packages" together reflog, more or less.
[15:31] <kwilczynski> TimurTabi: You can think of it as a snapshot of Git repository at a given point in time. You can unbundle the bundle, you can check it out, or check something from it out, etc.
[15:31] <kwilczynski> TimurTabi: Not a lot of projects uses bundles, though.
[15:43] <TimurTabi> So I don't really need to create patches if I unbundle the bundle, I can just merge that new SHA onto master?
[16:13] <luna> soon Kernel freeze time
[18:20] <juergh> @TimurTabi, https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Bundling
[18:23] <juergh> @TimurTabi, git bundle verify will tell you the refs that it contains and required (which for the 5.7 bundle is the v5.7 tag)
[18:23] <juergh> $ git bundle verify crack.bundle
[18:23] <juergh> The bundle contains this ref:
[18:23] <juergh> 7b90fe899b99570c6d6e76109df4446540ceccd2 refs/tags/cod/mainline/v5.7
[18:23] <juergh> The bundle requires this ref:
[18:23] <juergh> 3d77e6a8804abcc0504c904bd6e5cdf3a5cf8162
[18:23] <juergh> crack.bundle is okay
[18:24] <juergh> So you need to be in a repo that contains the required ref and then:
[18:24] <juergh> $ git fetch crack.bundle refs/tags/cod/mainline/v5.7:crack
[18:24] <juergh> From crack.bundle
[18:24] <juergh>  * [new tag]                   cod/mainline/v5.7 -> crack
[18:39] <TimurTabi> Thanks, I've got it working this way:
[18:39] <TimurTabi>         SHA=`git bundle unbundle ${PATCHDIR}/crack.bundle`
[18:39] <TimurTabi>         SHA=${SHA:0:40}
[18:39] <TimurTabi>         git format-patch v${KERNEL_VERSION}..${SHA} -o ${PATCHDIR}
[18:39] <TimurTabi> Not as elegant but compatible with the rest of my script.


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[21:49] <guiverc> no 21.04 EOL annoucement... only the warning as has occurred twice before
[21:56] <guiverc> bdmurray will post one later today  :)
[22:34]  * guiverc notes queues for hirsute may not be empty... thus why not closed & no EOL notice yet... it's not yet EOL


[03:43] <humphreybc> hey everyone
[03:52] <godbyk> hey, humphreybc
[03:52] <godbyk> did you see the etherpad work we did a bit earlier?
[03:52] <humphreybc> nope haven't got the link
[03:53] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/interviewswithhumphreybc
[03:56] <humphreybc> cheers, in a call atm
[03:56] <humphreybc> be with you in asec
[03:56] <godbyk> np.
[03:56] <godbyk> I'm watching some tv. :)
[03:57] <humphreybc> fair nuff'
[04:18] <godbyk> back now
[04:18] <humphreybc> me too
[04:24] <godbyk> Google just informed me of this (which was also posted to the forums): http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24334/
[04:25] <humphreybc> oH
[04:26] <humphreybc> lol @ solution 6
[04:31] <godbyk> just renaming 'help' to 'manual'?
[04:32] <humphreybc> apparently
[04:33] <humphreybc> or replacing the inbuilt help with the manual
[04:33] <humphreybc> that'd go down well hahaha
[04:33] <humphreybc> okay, let's create a persona for UMP that we're going to use
[04:33] <humphreybc> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPpersona
[04:56] <godbyk> humphreybc: You need to get the credits list written up pretty soon so I can get it in the PDF.
[04:56] <humphreybc> true
[04:56] <humphreybc> oka
[04:57] <godbyk> We need everyone's names (spelled correctly!), also if their name is usually written in a different language/script, it'd be cool if I had that.
[04:57] <godbyk> We need to know the source of any material that was copied from elsewhere so we can check the license and give proper attribution.
[05:11] <humphreybc> right
[05:11] <humphreybc> who's here at the moment?
[05:20] <godbyk> looks like it's just us.
[05:28] <humphreybc> hrm
[05:31] <humphreybc> i will be hanging out here more often from now on
[05:37] <godbyk> You miss us, doncha? :)
[05:53] <nisshh> humphreybc: leaving to go on my next holiday today
[05:53] <humphreybc> so that's where everyone is!
[05:53] <humphreybc> on holiday!
[06:01] <nisshh> hehe
[06:01] <nisshh> ill be gone for ages
[06:01] <nisshh> a week and a half
[06:07] <humphreybc> an
[06:07] <humphreybc> man*
[06:07] <humphreybc> oh well
[06:07] <humphreybc> you'll have to work extra hard when you come back
[06:07] <nisshh> lol
[06:07] <humphreybc> when do you get back?
[06:07] <nisshh> yea, that script is mostly done
[06:07] <nisshh> next sunday
[06:07] <humphreybc> ok
[06:07] <nisshh> not this one
[06:07] <humphreybc> is that the bzr script?
[06:08] <nisshh> yes
[06:08] <humphreybc> neat
[06:08] <humphreybc> so what does it do?
[06:08] <nisshh> it works but isnt very informative yet
[06:08] <humphreybc> just stick in a tonne of echo statements
[06:08] <nisshh> yea
[06:08] <humphreybc> what does it do?
[06:08] <nisshh> well, first it installs bzr
[06:09] <humphreybc> kay
[06:09] <nisshh> then asks for your name and email
[06:09] <nisshh> and uses them with bzr whoami
[06:09] <humphreybc> yup
[06:09] <nisshh> then it does: bzr launchpad-login <username>
[06:10] <nisshh> and then downloads the branch from lp
[06:10] <humphreybc> nice
[06:10] <humphreybc> SSH keys?
[06:10] <nisshh> yea, i have no idea how im going to check for an ssh key
[06:10] <nisshh> using bash anyway
[06:10] <humphreybc> lol
[06:11] <nisshh> godbyk will know
[06:11] <humphreybc> probably
[06:11] <nisshh> the all-knowing godbyk
[06:11] <humphreybc> all knowing godbyk
[06:11] <humphreybc> hahahaha
[06:11] <godbyk> :)
[06:11] <nisshh> hehe
[06:11] <godbyk> what are you wanting to do?
[06:11] <nisshh> godbyk: is there a way to check if a user has an ssh key using the terminal?
[06:11] <nisshh> or in a bash script
[06:12] <godbyk> most likely.
[06:12] <godbyk> what kind of key?
[06:12] <nisshh> ssh key
[06:12] <nisshh> humphreybc: how are we going to know if they have it uploaded to lp?
[06:12] <humphreybc> nisshh: upload it for them?
[06:13] <nisshh> maybe
[06:13] <godbyk> nisshh: well, you can check the default location and filename: ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[06:13] <humphreybc> the user model is that they've never used lp/bzr before
[06:13] <godbyk> in bash it'd be:
[06:13] <nisshh> humphreybc: true
[06:13] <godbyk> if [ -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ]; then echo "Key exists!"; else echo "Key is missing!"; fi
[06:13] <humphreybc> you might have to change it to python when you get back and then write it so it sets everything up
[06:14] <godbyk> I'm not sure if gpg is aware of that key, or not.
[06:14] <godbyk> running gpg --list-keys doesn't turn up that key.
[06:14] <godbyk> on my box
[06:14] <humphreybc> we can have our setup script/program create a key and upload it?
[06:14] <nisshh> yea
[06:14] <humphreybc> i wonder if launchpad has an API for registering a new account
[06:14] <nisshh> humphreybc yes i can create an ssh key in the script
[06:14] <humphreybc> something to pester thumper about
[06:14] <humphreybc> :P
[06:15] <nisshh> meh
[06:15] <humphreybc> focus is on doing everything for them :P
[06:16] <nisshh> yea
[06:17] <humphreybc> but don't worry about it now, enjoy your holiday
[06:17] <nisshh> humphreybc: launchpadlib doesnt have the ability to register new accounts i dont think
[06:18] <nisshh> lol
[06:18] <nisshh> going freediving
[06:18] <nisshh> ALOT
[06:18] <humphreybc> is that just jumping off cliffs?
[06:18] <nisshh> humphreybc: you NZ people are insane
[06:19] <humphreybc> what's freediving?
[06:19] <humphreybc> jumping off cliffs into water, right?
[06:19] <nisshh> without a compressed air tank
[06:19] <humphreybc> oh
[06:19] <nisshh> just normal snorkelling
[06:19] <nisshh> lol
[06:19] <humphreybc> so just swimming and holding your breath
[06:19] <nisshh> no
[06:19] <nisshh> with a snorkell
[06:19] <humphreybc> you're lucky the water's warm
[06:19] <humphreybc> i did snorkelling in fiji, wasnice
[06:20] <nisshh> nice!
[06:20] <nisshh> yea i spear fish too
[06:20] <humphreybc> neat
[06:20] <humphreybc> kill dem fish
[06:20] <nisshh> meh, die fishies!
[06:21] <humphreybc> how has the branch got 10mb bigger in the last 5 days
[06:22] <godbyk> humphreybc: because bzr never forgets. :-(
[06:22] <godbyk> at least from what I understand.
[06:22] <godbyk> so it will only get bigger over time.
[06:22] <godbyk> unless there's some way to flush stuff.
[06:22]  * godbyk knows nothing about bzr.
[06:23]  * nisshh knows enough to get him by
[06:24] <nisshh> i still cant beleive my computer refuses to boot from my SATA drive!
[06:24] <nisshh> unbelievable!
[06:27] <nisshh> humphreybc: your not going to show everyone what you have been working on with the mugshots till i get back are you?
[06:28] <nisshh> coz that would be mean!
[06:43] <humphreybc> lol
[06:43] <humphreybc> probably not
[06:43] <humphreybc> it isn't finished yet
[06:43] <humphreybc> anyway
[06:43] <humphreybc> work
[06:43] <humphreybc> g2g
[09:52] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[09:55] <thorwil> morning!
[09:58] <donri> Morning everyone but one of you all!
[11:03] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: are you there?
[11:28] <vish> heads up guys! screenshots involving folders would need an update , folder colors have changed !
[11:28] <ubuntujenkins> vish: what!
[11:28]  * ubuntujenkins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
[11:28] <vish> before people start swearing , it was granted a UIFe
[11:28] <vish> ;)
[11:29]  * ubuntujenkins we have been conoicaled again
[11:29]  * vish tickles humphreybc
[11:30] <ubuntujenkins> are they in lucid yet vish,I don't see a difference
[11:31] <vish> ubuntujenkins: just now it was uploaded  , humanity-icon-theme (<IP_ADDRESS>) will be the one
[11:33] <ubuntujenkins> thanks vish I think i may do all those screenshots my self
[11:36] <ubuntujenkins> vish: have you got a freeze exceptions link please
[11:37] <vish> ubuntujenkins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mono/+bug/556024
[11:37] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 556024 in ubuntu-mono "freeze exception for humanity-icon-theme in lucid" [High,New]
[11:37] <ubuntujenkins> thanks vish just want soemthing to link to in my bug report
[11:37]  * vish suspects we would be doing a few more changes as well
[11:38] <ubuntujenkins> this is the third time we have had a problem
[11:40] <ubuntujenkins> vish which e-mail do the freeze exceptions get anounched on?
[11:41]  * ubuntujenkins obviously isn't subscribed to enough mailing lists
[11:42] <vish> ubuntujenkins: dont know , i just saw the upload in > http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/LucidChanges?format=xml
[11:43] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks vish
[11:44] <vish> np... it was actually done a week ago , but wasnt sure it would be granted UIFe
[11:45] <ubuntujenkins> any idea how much has changed?
[12:00] <thorwil> guess there's need for a clever image-part search-and-replace :/
[12:03] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: we have a script that replaces the window buttons already so i expect thats the way to go with this as well
[12:04] <ubuntujenkins> it just depends on the changes, different langauges may have the folders in different orders
[13:49] <humphreybc> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/doc-collaboration
[13:50] <humphreybc> i *think* i figured it out
[13:50] <humphreybc> oh wait
[13:50] <humphreybc> wrong channel :P
[14:56]  * ubuntujenkins all the screenshots are only 26% done
[17:08]  * ubuntujenkins trying to understand code that you haven't been part of writing is hard
[19:24] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> evening channel how are we all feeling?
[19:49] <thorwil> 25% turquoise with a shot of leftward reification
[19:49] <ubuntujenkins> lol, always random thorwil
[20:59] <ubuntujenkins> we should have project cloaks for irc
[21:12]  * ubuntujenkins must be the only person here tonight
[21:18]  * dutchie is in a Belgian hotel
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> hello dutchie o/ how was rowing?
[21:18] <dutchie> not hard
[21:18] <dutchie> yet
[21:19] <dutchie> we're going to the belgian national regatta tomorrow and sunday
[21:19] <ubuntujenkins> good luck
[21:20] <dutchie> cheers
[22:08] <Red_HamsterX> Hi, ubuntujenkins.
[22:08] <ubuntujenkins> hello Red_HamsterX how do?
[22:09] <Red_HamsterX> Still busy with the seeking of jobs. Also the development of 3D modelling techniques.
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> mice, I pinged you to say they have changed the icons in lucid today
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> *nice
[22:10] <Red_HamsterX> This seems somehow bad.
[22:10] <Red_HamsterX> Which icons?
[22:10] <Red_HamsterX> The button order or the artwork?
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> as far as i can tell all they have done is made them a darker orange. so i was thinking of ignoring it. Its the folders
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> art work
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: http://imagebin.org/92405 is an after
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> picture
[22:12] <Red_HamsterX> Was the nm-WiFi icon always Apple-like?
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> Or was it sideways before?
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> before http://imagebin.org/92406
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> wifi has been like that for a while
[22:14] <Red_HamsterX> I don't think it makes much of a difference. The shapes and positions are identical.
[22:14] <Red_HamsterX> As is the gradient.
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> that was my thought I just wanted a second opinion. you wouldn't notice if your screen was set up to a different brightness etc
[22:16] <Red_HamsterX> Well, you would, but it couldn't possibly confuse anyone.
[22:16] <Red_HamsterX> We should probably overwrite the en screencap, though.
[22:16] <Red_HamsterX> And any screencaps taken in other languages, if we're working in them anyway.
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> But I can't see it being a condition for rejecting an image.
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> yea that can be done, we have 26% of the images done.
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> can we make it so that we can get an archive before a language is finished?
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> Yep.
[22:18] <Red_HamsterX> get_files.php?language=??
[22:18] <Red_HamsterX> Just go there and it'll build an archive.
[22:18] <Red_HamsterX> It'll appear in data/ so you can download it without making the server rebuild anything.
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> legend that saves allot of clicking
[22:19] <Red_HamsterX> http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/get_files.php?language=fr -> http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/fr.zip
[22:19] <Red_HamsterX> It's a dumb script, though. It'll replace the archive every time that page is accessed.
[22:19] <Red_HamsterX> Which shouldn't be a problem.
[22:20] <Red_HamsterX> If there are no files to archive, it does nothing.
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> I'll be active in here again next week.
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> nope thats fine. the button script works btw. we need to make it replace the default search engine
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> I'm just taking this week off to job-hunt and learn.
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> you haven't missed much tbh
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> thats cool
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> I've been lurking.
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> i have found a project to fill the time http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs i would like it working in backintime for gnome
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> the etherpad is looking full we should have a meeting next weekend sometime
[22:22] <Red_HamsterX> Probably a good idea.
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> what utc time suits you?
[22:23] <Red_HamsterX> I'm in North America, without any real commitments to anything else, so I'm pretty open.
[22:23] <Red_HamsterX> UTC-6
[22:24] <Red_HamsterX> That seems like an interesting project.
[22:24] <ubuntujenkins> ok so utc evening might be good as titeuf is utc +1 and he works. I am utc +1 as the uk is on daylight saving
[22:24] <Red_HamsterX> As a means of luring some Apple users, I mean.
[22:25] <ubuntujenkins> if i get anywhere with it is another matter. Well i orignaly found a project that was dead. then found out about the mac thing.
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> they have the backup system right though all the linux ui are rubbish
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> timevault was the project i found
[22:27] <Red_HamsterX> Nothing will make me change from having a local VCS server for my backup needs.
[22:27] <Red_HamsterX> But, then, most of what I do wouldn't benefit from binary backups anyway.
[22:29] <ubuntujenkins> I don't have the joys of a server unfortunaley. I would like one but have no real use for it so there is no point.
[22:32] <godbyk> I'm back. ubuntujenkins, you needed me?
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: nothing important, I was going to ask how to set up files so that i can give people a link like ben does. I have apache but thats as far as i got
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> i guessed you would know
[22:34] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: once you've installed apache, you have two more basic steps: 1. configure your router to port forward port 80 to the PC with apache on it; and 2. sign up for a (free) account at dyndns.org to get a name to point to your computer.
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> o thats rather easy. I may not be able to do it when at uni as i have no control over the router.
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> thanks kevin
[22:36] <godbyk> you only need to worry about the router if it's blocking port 80 (firewall) or you have an internal (non-Internet-routable) IP addrewss.
[22:37] <godbyk> If your PC at uni gives you a real IP, you can ignore the router step.
[22:37] <ubuntujenkins> i will have to find out i go back in a week, where do i save the files for people to view?
[22:38] <godbyk> Usually the default location for apache is something like /var/www/, but it varies from distro to distro.
[22:39] <godbyk> You can also configure apache to look for a WWW/ dir in each user's home directory.
[22:39] <godbyk> then you can host those as http://www.example.com/~ubuntujenkins/
[22:39] <ubuntujenkins> that would be a good idea, i will have a play
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> on a unrealted topic Red_HamsterX or godbyk any idea how i download this http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/jds/time-slider/
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> its like a bzr repo
[22:41] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: i was thinking of having a quickshot meeting next weekend what utc time suits you best?
[22:41] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'll look at it in a sec. installing updates now and my computer is grinding away on something. dragging the whole system. down.
[22:41] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[22:41] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'm pretty much free whenever. my timezone is utf-5 right now, though (due to DST)
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> ok so far utc evening appears to make sense
[22:43] <godbyk> sounds good to me.
[22:47] <ubuntujenkins> this is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
[22:48] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: this maybe, http://pkg.opensolaris.org/release/p5i/0/SUNWgnome-time-slider.p5i
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: that does apear to be the open solaris deb equivilent. any idea how would i get the source directory that i linked to?
[22:55] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/ scroll all the way to the bottom and read 'where is the source?'.
[22:55] <godbyk> links to an hg repository.
[22:55] <godbyk> there are also some screencasts of time-slider on his blog there.
[22:56] <ubuntujenkins> thats were i got it from, but how do i get a hg repo?
[22:57] <godbyk> I'm not sure, I don't use hg much.
[22:58] <godbyk> maybe just "hg clone URL"?
[22:58] <godbyk> I'd find an hg tutorial and see.
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks godbyk , i will have a look in the morning
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[22:58] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: g'night.
[23:37] <JuanMarquez> hi
[23:38] <godbyk> Hello, JuanMarquez.
[23:39] <JuanMarquez> the ubuntu manual is avaliable in spanish righ now?
[23:39] <godbyk> JuanMarquez: It's currently being translated.
[23:40] <godbyk> You can track the progress of the translations here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[23:40] <godbyk> And look at the translations in the manual here: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[23:40] <JuanMarquez> godbyk, wuoo, thank
[23:41] <godbyk> JuanMarquez: Feel free to help out with the translations, too. :)
[23:42] <JuanMarquez> i see
[23:42] <JuanMarquez> see you, thank
[23:43] <JuanMarquez> bye
[23:43] <godbyk> JuanMarquez: See you later.


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[00:02] <davidcalle> jerryG: are you looking for https://docs.google.com/document/d/14msTXe_cFulk9z4jFptEjFJzZx58b1mWU_r4VivLkfA/edit ?
[00:03] <jerryG> thanks david... I meant... is there an updated doc
[00:03] <jerryG> since that one says 'outdated' and 'historical'
[00:04] <davidcalle> jerryG: aah, I don't know :) kgunn ^ ?


[00:11] <rick_h__> I broke scrolling so I suck award of the day goes to http://breather.com/
[00:32] <snap-l> wolfger: I know JoDee is not thrilled with Feedly.
[01:12] <rick_h__> Blazeix: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Swapping_characters,_words_and_lines at the end might help a little as well but more magic there
[01:41] <rick_h__> http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/microsoft-debuts-new-sculpt-mice-with-windows-8-start-buttons
[01:41] <rick_h__> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/yo-dawg-we-heard-you-like-start-buttons-so-we-put-one-in-your-mouse/
[12:42] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:42] <rick_h__> ugh
[12:43] <snap-l> That rockin'?
[12:43] <snap-l> Or is that rickin'? :)
[12:43] <rick_h__> pretty much
[12:43] <rick_h__> rollin
[12:43] <snap-l> rickin', rockin' and rollin'
[12:43] <snap-l> ballin'
[12:44] <brousch> rick rollin?
[12:44] <rick_h__> pretty much, I've been rick rollin through my morning so far
[12:46] <snap-l> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9058804/tumblr_lhh5hrKgH81qccxpi.gif
[12:49] <brousch> We had a really cool talk last night about Pd
[12:49] <brousch> It's a sound synthesis programming language
[12:50] <brousch> Python bindings and runs on Android
[12:52] <snap-l> Interesting
[12:53] <snap-l>  http://obiwannabe.co.uk/html/sound-design/sound-design-all.html >
[12:53] <snap-l> ?
[12:53] <brousch> yeah
[12:53] <snap-l> Will check it out.
[12:54] <brousch> I wish i had recorded that talk
[12:54] <snap-l> Me too. :)
[12:55] <brousch> He doesn't use Python, so if I can get the Python part down, I might ask him to give the Pd talk again at a GRPUG meeting and then I'll cover the Python part
[12:57] <brousch> His digirattle app is simple and open source, and the AnthroSynth app shows a lot of what Pd can do (requires a fairly new Android tablet) https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=anthropomo
[13:05] <snap-l> brousch: Downloaded the Pitch Finder app. That might come in handy for me, being a drummer and all. ;)
[13:06] <snap-l> AnthroSynth isn't available for my phone, though
[13:13] <brousch1> snap-l: I needed to install python-pyaudio system wide and use a virtualenv with --system-site-packages to get libpd Python running on 12.04
[13:26] <snap-l> Sounds like the same shenanigans to get pygame working
[13:27] <snap-l> or numpy. ;)
[13:27] <rick_h__> or you'll need all the -dev packages to compile it in the venv
[13:29] <snap-l> If you can get fortran code to reliably compile in a venv, you're a better man than I. ;)
[13:30] <snap-l> John tried adding numpy and pandas to our list of default packages, and almost without fail I've commented it out. :)
[13:31] <snap-l> program note: That's also one of the reasons I went ballistic on Packt with their Instant PyGame booklet. It used numpy for generating 3 random number tuples for color picking.
[13:32] <snap-l> Which seemed excessive for a book that didn't even tell you how to install Pygame
[13:32] <snap-l> but I digress. :)
[13:33] <brousch1> Pygame fails in venv
[13:33] <brousch1> They need to get their act together!
[13:34] <snap-l> yeah, mostly because of libsdl dependencies
[13:37] <snap-l> related to CHC vim vs gvim discussion: one strike against gvim: can't use the status-bar of a window as an easy way to cut and paste the name of the file without triggering the window resize event.
[13:37] <snap-l> (yes, I'm lazy. ;) )
[13:39] <rick_h__> what are you copying/pasting the file name for?
[13:40] <snap-l> mysql -u root dbname < $some_sql
[13:40] <snap-l> again, lazy. :)
[15:16] <brousch1> The conclusion of MSSQL with Kivy on Android: "Thank you all for your help on this. I was finally able to convince my boss to get me a MySQL server and now the last link of the project has been realized. Thank you Thomas for your recipe."
[15:16]  * brousch1 facepalms
[15:21] <rick_h__> lol
[15:37] <jrwren_> new turbogears, wtf?
[15:37] <jrwren_> 'Removal of all dependencies on Pylons'
[15:37] <jrwren_> who is running TG now?
[15:38] <snap-l> Not mramm, last I checked
[15:38] <jrwren_> right
[15:38] <snap-l> don't recall the name at the moment
[15:38] <brousch1> Aren't there 2 turogears?
[15:40] <rick_h__> some people have carried it on
[15:40] <brousch1> Turbogears 1.x is still alove
[15:40] <brousch1> alive
[15:40] <rick_h__> there was a party that wanted to move on top of pyramid but others that just want what they have to work
[15:46] <jrwren_> makes good sense if you have production code out there running on it.
[15:46] <snap-l> Yeah, last I remembered 1.x was living on, 2.x was subject to being ported but I haven't kept up on progress
[15:47] <snap-l> But something tells me it would have likely resulted in 2.x living on in state, and tg++ becoming the pyramid ported version
[15:47] <jrwren_> i was just surprised to see a new release.
[15:47] <snap-l> but honestly Pyramid kinda sucked the wind from everyone's sails in the "build on top of pylons / pyramid" approach
[15:48] <rick_h__> I don't think there will be a pyramid ported TG any more
[15:48] <jcastro> ugh
[15:48] <jcastro> snap-l: new megadeth album is really kind of meh
[15:49] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, but you didn't like Th1rt33333333n either
[15:49] <jcastro> 13 grew on me a bit, and even then it's only like 2 songs
[15:49] <snap-l> aka M3g41337
[15:50] <snap-l> Funny enough someone dumped their Megadeth collection over at UHF a while ago
[15:50] <snap-l> I picked up United Abominations just to keep myself legal. :)
[15:50] <snap-l> I think I'll pick up The System Has Failed at some point, and call it a MegaDay.
[15:51] <snap-l> And that's only because I think Vinnie Colaiuta is the Bee's Knees.
[15:53] <snap-l> Starting to remind me of the Cryptic Writings / Risk / World Needs a Hero era where Megadeth felt stale
[15:54]  * snap-l would even put Youthanasia in there as well
[16:27] <jrwren_> python gets a C# 1.0 feature :p  http://lukasz.langa.pl/8/single-dispatch-generic-functions/
[16:51] <rick_h__> trollolol