[12:00] <Kamion> eph: yes, I know
[12:00] <Kamion> the feature'll be in the next release, it didn't quite make the last one
[12:00] <eph> ok
[12:01] <eph> Correct me if im wrong but i thought Mandrake can do this
[12:01] <eph> and has been able to for awhile
[12:01] <eph> my entire disk is NTFS .. so somehow i need to resize it so Ubuntu can fit
[12:02] <JDahl> cant knoppix do it?
[12:02] <bratsche> Kamion: You don't use nvidia-glx do you?
[12:02] <erik> hey, I just dist-upgraded hoary and now nv-glx seems to be broken
[12:02] <erik> Xorg.0.log says:
[12:02] <bratsche> heh
[12:02] <bratsche> erik: Welcome to the club. =)
[12:02] <erik> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[12:02] <erik> oh, ok
[12:02] <bratsche> Yes, same for me.
[12:02] <erik> why does module not exist?
[12:02] <bratsche> I'm trying to figure out why it's broken now.
[12:03] <erik> I see libglx.so in the modules dir
[12:03] <erik> did they change the location of the modules dir or something?
[12:03] <bratsche> You do?  It's not there for me.
[12:03] <erik> yeah
[12:03] <bratsche> Look in /usr/lib/nvidia - what do you have there?
[12:03] <erik> Whooa broken stuff
[12:03] <erik> libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.6629
[12:03] <erik> tls_test_dso.so
[12:04] <Kamion> bratsche: no, sorry
[12:04] <erik> and 2 broken symlinks to libGL.so.1.xlibmesa and libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa
[12:04] <bratsche> erik: But no libGLCore right?
[12:04] <erik> no GLCore.
[12:04] <de_wizze> how long before I can get auto detected multihead support?
[12:04] <Kamion> eph: we'd have got it automatically if anyone had put the feature into parted; as it was, it took Anton to write a special-case hack for partman before our installer knew how to deal with it.
[12:05] <eph> Kamion, its not a personal attack on the dev team.. But how should i solve my prob so i can install Ubuntu?
[12:06] <Kamion> eph: there are any number of live CDs around which have ntfsresize, or you could use one of the Hoary test CDs to do the resize and reboot before it gets around to actually installing anything :-)
[12:06] <eph> ok thanks
[12:07] <drspin> It seems that instead of /dev/dsp my system wants to use /dev/dsp1 -- how can I fix this???
[12:09] <drspin> brb
[12:09] <bratsche> erik: Hang on, I'll be back in a minute.
[12:09] <daniels> erik: yes, glx loading is broken
[12:09] <erik> daniels: confirmation is good :)
[12:10] <erik> daniels: anything easy I can do to fix it?  Or is it a problem in the Xorg build or something
[12:10] <daniels> erik: known issue, will be fixed in a while.  itmt, if you want a horrific workaround, sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.{so,a}
[12:10] <erik> hahahaha
[12:10] <daniels> erik: problem in a xorg patch
[12:10] <erik> I was going to try that
[12:10] <daniels> yeah, it's kind of nasty; and by kind of, i do of course mean totally
[12:10] <erik> but thought "No.  NAH.  That's retarded."
  Anyone know of a driver for Radeon 7500?
[12:14] <Poprocks> ok -- can someone tell me how _not_ to get the usblp module loaded at bootup?
[12:15] <Poprocks> I'm using hpoj now and it accesses the usb printer without using usblp and they conflict
[12:16] <cam__> are there any cool ubuntu community sites yet
[12:16] <zerok> stupid question: how can i configure the fonts wxgtk2 uses? bittorrent looks like some retro-game *g*
[12:17] <Poprocks> zerok, built against gtk1?
[12:18] <Poprocks> lik it uses huge-ass non-aa'd fonts?
[12:18] <zerok> Poprocks, looks like that.
[12:19] <Poprocks> install `gtk-theme-switch'
[12:19] <bratsche> brb
[12:19] <Poprocks> then run the program `switch'
[12:19] <zerok> .... there is too much emerge in my life ...
[12:20] <Poprocks> and..?
[12:20] <drspin> alright -
[12:20] <zerok> Poprocks, is there no gtk2 btdownloadgui version?
[12:20] <drspin> I figured it out --
[12:21] <Poprocks> zerok, ubuntu's wxgtk is built against gtk1
[12:21] <ArCHoNKoG> would anyone know why my usb 2.0 thumb drive is not working when i plug it in ?
[12:21] <drspin> my ATI TV Capture card is getting registered with the mixer first... if I unload the capture card and the EMU10k1 drivers then restart the EMU10k1 stuff - BAM!
[12:21] <Poprocks> zerok, you can rebuild if you're feeling brave
[12:21] <drspin> it all works again :)
[12:21] <grepper> is something supposed to happen when you plug in a usb-storage type camera ?  I can mount them manually- just wondering if there was supposed to be something in place to do it automatically.
[12:21] <xirtam> where do i find ubunto packages for Xorg? sources.list entries ?
[12:22] <Poprocks> but i would recommend against it
[12:22] <Poprocks> grepper, wfm
[12:22] <drspin> How can I fix this??
[12:22] <Poprocks> grepper, you're everywhere aren't you?
[12:23] <zerok> Poprocks, tnx. i think i will start reading the dpkg manpages after years again *g*
[12:23] <grepper> Poprocks, most of my is in a tiny spot behind my eyes right now  :P    (headache)
[12:23] <drspin> better question: how can I keep my kernel from loading driver X at boot time??
[12:23] <grepper> Poprocks, I'm building a box with ubuntu for my nephew
[12:24] <Poprocks> grepper, cool
[12:25] <Poprocks> grepper, you're a smart guy so I'm assuming you already tried System -> Prefs -> removable storage?
[12:25] <carthik> Does anyone know of an app like QuickSilver for Mac OSX, available for linux?
[12:26] <grepper> Poprocks, and this is supposed to work ?
[12:27] <Poprocks> supposed to yea
[12:27] <grepper> looks like its supposed to pop up gthumb
[12:27] <grepper> nothing happens
[12:27] <grepper> I"ve never used hal/d-bus before - I'll look into it
[12:28] <Poprocks> grepper, do cds mount ok?
[12:28] <grepper> yep
[12:28] <Poprocks> oh ok
[12:29] <grepper> libhal.c 840 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4cb_116_1000_-1_Y-388^^^^^030104WFC00002012478
[12:30] <subterrific> carthik: http://www.approcket.com that is getting ported to linux at some point
[12:30] <Crane|laptop> hello
[12:31] <subterrific> carthik: that url is wrong, http://www.candylabs.com/approcket/
[12:33] <grepper> wow need info.capabilities ?  You already know its a usb storage device - just mount the damn thing  :P
[12:33] <subterrific> carthik: there are other various apps that work similar, but not exactly the same as quicksilver/launchbar
[12:33] <grepper> s/wow/who
[12:34] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[12:35] <julius_trop> hey there
[12:35] <Poprocks> grepper, heh
[12:35] <Poprocks> it sure would be nice if it were that simple
[12:35] <julius_trop> noob question if any cares to answer......
[12:35] <ed_gein> lol
[12:35] <Poprocks> juli
[12:35] <ed_gein> one of the few that actually know the name
[12:36] <sulkd> I only know it from the Slayer song :]
[12:36] <Poprocks> julius_trop, rule #1:  don't ask to ask, just ask
[12:36] <julius_trop> so how do i create a root account in ubuntu
[12:36] <Poprocks> *sigh*
[12:36] <julius_trop> i have no password to su into
[12:36] <Poprocks> julius_trop, what's wrong with sudo?
[12:36] <sulkd> julius_trop, use sudo -s, and the password is the one for your account
[12:37] <julius_trop> ah i see
[12:37] <sulkd> Poprocks, dude, tone the attitude down
[12:37] <Poprocks> sorry, I keep forgetting this isn't #debian or #archlinux
[12:37] <Poprocks> and also I got my wisdom teeth out thismorning
[12:37] <julius_trop> worked smooth distro guys grats just installed :)
[12:38] <carthik> subterrific, thanks, which are the tools you were talking about? (similar to quicksilver)
[12:39] <ed_gein> Unable to eject media "eject: unable to eject, last error:invalid argument"
[12:39] <drspin> ed: what does dmesg |tail say?
[12:40] <ed_gein> hdc: command error: error=0x54
[12:40] <ed_gein> end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 1924
[12:40] <ed_gein> Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 481
[12:40] <ed_gein> cdrom: open failed.
[12:40] <ed_gein> cdrom: open failed.
[12:40] <ed_gein> cdrom: open failed.
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <Poprocks> ed_gein, I have the exact same problem ;-)
[12:40] <ed_gein> its very strange
[12:41] <ed_gein> just did a clean install and this pops up
[12:41] <ed_gein> but atleast mplayer works now
[12:41] <Poprocks> ed_gein, sudo eject /dev/hdc
[12:41] <Poprocks> but as I always say that doesn't solve the problem, it only pokes at the symptoms
[12:41] <julius_trop> okay who is working on an eq port for linux :)
[12:41] <odyssey> Poprocks, why are you trying to eject your harddrive?
[12:42] <Poprocks> odyssey, no my cd-rom drive
[12:42] <ed_gein> that worked thanks
[12:42] <snerfu> julius_trop, eq2?
[12:42] <julius_trop> eq1
[12:42] <ed_gein> Would love to know why its happening thouhg
[12:43] <Poprocks> ed_gein, same, brb, I'm going to try a few things and let you know what happens
[12:43] <ed_gein> ok
[12:44] <snerfu> Theres always a tale in the desert
[12:46] <jeff2> ubuntuguide.org says I should link /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so ... what path would I use on amd64? I unpacked the 1.5.0_01 64-bit JRE from Sun, and it runs, but there isn't any "plugin" directory
[12:46] <ed_gein> jeff2:you can make the mozilla plugin directory
[12:47] <jeff2> ed_gein: I mean there isn't any plugin directory in /usr/bin/jre1.5.0_01
[12:47] <jeff2> ed_gein: there is no libjavaplugin_oji.so to link
[12:51] <julius_trop> jeff2 can you do like whereis libjavaplugin and find it that way?
[12:51] <Kamion> jeff2: I suspect Sun simply don't have a Netscape/Mozilla plugin for amd64
[12:51] <crimsun> (they do)
[12:51] <julius_trop> then you can do a symlink to it from mozilla plugin directory
[12:51] <crimsun> hmm
[12:51] <Kamion> crimsun: they do? I looked a while ago and didn't find one
[12:51] <crimsun> sorry, I misread
[12:51] <jeff2> looks like blackdown has a 64-bit java plugin
[12:52] <Kamion> I remember because I would have preferred amd64 or powerpc, since those are the architectures on my desk, and had to dig out an old laptop
[12:52] <Kamion> s/and/but/
[12:52] <jeff2> seems that all the blackdown java packages are broken :(
[12:53] <drspin> for a default kernel, removing a line from /etc/modules.conf would be safe?
[12:53] <julius_trop> does ubuntu come with gcc
[12:54] <jeff2> julius_trop, not by default, you have to apt-get install gcc
[12:54] <crimsun> julius_trop: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:55] <julius_trop> nice, easy..
[12:57] <drspin> ??
[12:57] <nirai> Anybody having problems with Firefox after imlib1 upgrade?
[12:58] <jeff2> nirai: works fine here
[12:58] <ArCHoNKoG> nirai, same for me
[01:01] <nirai> My Firefox is completely broken.  Sometimes it even freezes up the desktop.
[01:01] <crimsun> nirai: imlib1 upgrade? for hoary?
[01:01] <nirai> Its for Warty.
[01:01] <odyssey> nirai does it lock up X?
[01:02] <crimsun> nirai: why would imlib1 have been upgraded on Warty?
[01:02] <nirai> Yes I can see outputs scrolling by on my shell but all inputs are no no.
[01:02] <crimsun> nirai: do you have version 1.9.14-16ubuntu1.1 installed?
[01:02] <CARG> hello everybody, I need some help, I am new to Ubuntu/linux and have problems configuring my modem
[01:03] <nirai> Wait a sec...
[01:03] <Kamion> crimsun: why> security update, obviously ...
[01:03] <crimsun> Kamion: hence why I'm asking about the .1 :)
[01:04] <crimsun> it still shouldn't affect mozilla-firefox, however. It runs fine on the workstations here.
[01:04] <sayao> hello
[01:04] <sayao> how do i configure the startup services
[01:05] <odyssey> i found that firefox 1.0 made X freeze mysystem
[01:05] <nirai> imlib11 1.9.14-15ubuntu1
[01:05] <sayao> odyssey, it works fine for me
[01:05] <drspin> how can I keep the 'bttv' driver from loading on startup??
[01:05] <drspin> odyssey: works well for me as well
[01:05] <crimsun> nirai: the version I pasted above is the current Warty version.
[01:06] <crimsun> drspin: sudo echo bttv >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:06] <nirai> sorry its imlib-base 1.9.14-16ubuntu1.1
[01:06] <drspin> crimsun: was it you that was helping me with my missing /dev/dsp  issue?
[01:06] <crimsun> nirai: downgrade to the previous revision and see if that resolves it
[01:07] <drspin> yesterday
[01:07] <crimsun> drspin: more than likely
[01:07] <nirai> Alright thanks.  I'll try that.
[01:07] <CARG> crimsun, it seems like you can help me, how do I setup my modem, I was configuring a dialup and is not detecting my modem
[01:07] <drspin> crimsun: I not only solved the problem, I did it ALL BY MYSELF... as Orga was not liking my FF1.0 and Gaim 1.1 backports....
[01:08] <crimsun> drspin: good for you!
[01:08] <drspin> crimsun: thanks for your help last night -- you at least got me moving in the right direction!
[01:08] <crimsun> CARG: perhaps someone else is better for modems on Linux. I haven't used one for several years.
[01:08] <CARG> OK, thanks a lot anyway
[01:09] <crimsun> CARG: have you by chance looked on the wiki or forum?
[01:09] <CARG> I am looking right now
[01:09] <CARG> let me see if I see something
[01:10] <drspin> crimsun: sudo echo bttv >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist give a permission denied; but it work from a root terminal
[01:10] <snerfu> can anyone dcc me their depmod binary please?
[01:10] <nirai> downgraded to previous version.  Firefox is still unresponsive and it still seems contagious.
[01:11] <crimsun> nirai: then it's not imlib1's fault :)
[01:11] <siretart> drspin: right, you echo with root permissions but try to append as user ;) try something like "echo bttv | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist"
[01:11] <crimsun> nirai: (as I suspected)
[01:11] <nirai> Ok that much is known.
[01:12] <drspin> siretart: thanks!!
[01:18] <speel> hey sup.. how do you install the wmv codecs?
[01:19] <e-Jah> speel: add the marillat source and install the package w32codecs
[01:19] <e-Jah> spacey: on www.ubuntuguide.org you can found the source ;)
[01:20] <speel> ah its only the w32codecs package?
[01:20] <e-Jah> ok, now goto bed, good night all
[01:20] <e-Jah> speel: yep
[01:20] <speel> ok thanks
[01:22] <defendguin> guys i dont know what the problem with ubuntu's boot process is but half the time it freezes during boot.  other distrobutions on the same laptop boot fine
[01:23] <ed_gein> does it hang at starting hotplugging subsystem?
[01:23] <defendguin> i like ubuntu i want to use it but i cant justify having to reboot twice before i am able to use it  especially on a laptop
[01:23] <drspin> later guys
[01:23] <sayao> does the ht flag on /proc/cpuinfo means that my cpu supports hyperthreading?
[01:24] <defendguin> i dont think it was on the hotplug
[01:24] <sjoerd> sayao: yeah
[01:24] <sayao> sjoerd, nice :)
[01:24] <ed_gein> thats where my system hangs
[01:24] <julius_trop> defendguin i get errors at hotplug sometimes
[01:24] <sayao> but my cpu is a celeron
[01:24] <defendguin> i really cant say for sure because i replaced ubuntu with fedora core 3
[01:25] <julius_trop> works okay in slackware but uses different kernel also
[01:25] <speel> how do you install the wmv codecs? beacuase the win32codec packages dont work
[01:25] <speel> it works but wmvs dont work
[01:25] <defendguin> also something with the ubuntu kernel doesnt allow me to use one of my usb keys
[01:26] <defendguin> fedora seems to be ok with the file system on the key
[01:27] <victor> hola
[01:29] <zerok> hi there again :-)
[01:29] <zerok> another question (sorry :-) ) : does the hoary branch include wxgtk that is built again gtk2?
[01:30] <eladio> nick test
[01:30] <eladio> help.. trying to print from my ubuntu machine to windows xp networked printer
[01:30] <crimsun> zerok: yes, in 'universe'
[01:30] <crimsun> zerok: 'libwxgtk2.5.3'
[01:31] <crimsun> version <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:31] <calc> crimsun: hi :)
[01:31] <crimsun> calc: hi :)
[01:31] <calc> i finally got some drugs so i am feeling better :)
[01:31] <crimsun> calc: awesome! good to hear :)
[01:31] <julius_trop> mplayer looks like good music player..
[01:31] <eladio> network printer is shared and can be viewed using smbclient command
[01:31] <julius_trop> built in codecs
[01:31] <zerok> crimsun, thanks :-) then i will give hoary a try :-) (i simply can'T see wxgtk being gtk1 :P )
[01:32] <speel> how do you install the wmv codecs? beacuase the win32codec packages dont work
[01:32] <eladio> any ideas?
[01:32] <julius_trop> speel i might try to install xine or mplayer
[01:32] <phyberoptix> i cant resolve host
[01:33] <phyberoptix> any hosts
[01:33] <julius_trop> i'll try it got a fast connection here
[01:33] <ed_gein> speel:try installing mplayer from hoary
[01:33] <ed_gein> speel:search the wiki
[01:35] <phyberoptix> why has all of sudden i cant resolve hostnames?
[01:35] <Poprocks> who was it that was having those eject errors?
[01:36] <crimsun> Poprocks: several people were
[01:36] <Poprocks> `adduser poprocks disk` seems to do the trick (where poprocks is your username)
[01:36] <Poprocks> remember to log out & back in
[01:37] <Tacitus> This is braindead.  Re-installed Firefox from scratch and its still broken.  Anybody with experience on Firefox crashes?
[01:37] <MagicFab> Merry Xmas & Happy Holidays to all
[01:37] <MagicFab> Needing some help with the floppy module
[01:37] <MagicFab> My laptop doesn' t have a floppy
[01:38] <MagicFab> yet Ubuntu tries to load its module... how can I prevent this ?
[01:38] <MagicFab> Searched in /etc/modules, not there
[01:38] <julius_trop> MagicFab i think you can edit the boot script
[01:38] <julius_trop> /etc/....somewhere in there :)
[01:39] <MagicFab> Where would that be ..? :D
[01:39] <julius_trop> <-----------noob
[01:39] <crimsun> Tacitus: are you using '0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3'?
[01:39] <Tacitus> Wait a sec...
[01:40] <Tacitus> Yes with warty on the end.
[01:41] <MagicFab> mmmhh . in /etc/init.d there' s a few init scripts
[01:41] <crimsun> Tacitus: you have a "warty" string appended?
[01:41] <Tacitus> No its in brackets as explanation.
[01:41] <ogra> MagicFab: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:42] <crimsun> Tacitus: oh, in Synaptic?
[01:42] <ogra> MagicFab: add it in the end
[01:42] <Tacitus> Yes I'm using Synaptic.
[01:43] <crimsun> Tacitus: ok, that's fine.
[01:43] <MagicFab> ogra: heard about that before.
[01:43] <crimsun> Tacitus: any particular pattern to when it hangs?
[01:43] <MagicFab> Will try, BRB
[01:44] <Tacitus> When I start up Firefox it stats up fine.  As soon as I try to interact with it by mouse or whatever it starts to freeze itself.
[01:44] <Tacitus> When I click on any of the menu tabs the whole desktop locks up.
[01:45] <crimsun> Tacitus: what graphics driver are you using?
[01:45] <Tacitus> Then I can't even switch to shell.
[01:45] <Tacitus> Is that dmesg?
[01:45] <crimsun> Tacitus: no, graphics driver
[01:46] <crimsun> Tacitus: here, what graphics card are you using?
[01:46] <Tacitus> Yeah what the command to look up the driver?
[01:46] <Tacitus> It uses Radeon 9200
[01:46] <crimsun> are you using fglrx or radeon?
[01:47] <sayao> radeon reminds me of crappy drivers that make my X freeze
[01:48] <Tacitus> Can't tell.  I use the default kernel.
[01:48] <crimsun> Tacitus: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin.com
[01:48] <Tacitus> Ok hang on a minute.
[01:49] <MagicFab> Hello
[01:49] <Poprocks> I've got a radeon 9250, works perfectly with Xfree 4.3 and X.org 6.8 & radeon driver
[01:50] <MagicFab> Just rebooted to check the balcklist suggestion for the floppy module
[01:50] <MagicFab> it works! Many thanks. Now I boot without the " FATAL"  error message that my floppy doesn' t exist
[01:52] <ogra> :)
[01:54] <Tacitus> crimsun:  Its pasted.  Where do I send it to?
[01:56] <crimsun> Tacitus: pastebin.com
[01:56] <Tacitus> I think I might be having a problem.
[01:57] <Tacitus> Mozilla is having problem sending the paste through.
[02:00] <JayeAeotiv> Does the music player not play mp3s?
[02:00] <treed> it should
[02:00] <JayeAeotiv> None of my mp3's will play
[02:01] <treed> I'm guessing that you're using fedora
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> says it doesn't have a plugin
[02:01] <treed> or maybe ubuntu
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> I'm using ubuntu
[02:01] <ctd> treed: This is #ubuntu, you know.
[02:01] <treed> there's a restricted format wiki page that'll help you out
[02:01] <treed> oh, heh
[02:01] <treed> sorry, I thought it was #rhythmbox
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> lol
[02:01] <Tacitus> crimsun: I can't paste anything through my browser.
[02:01] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> What's the package called?
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> ty ogra
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> I've noticed that I seem to lag a bit.
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> not net wise.
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> but just in general
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> The windows seem to tile a little when I move them and the like.
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> Is this normal?  I think it's because I'm using a generic graphics driver.
[02:04] <crimsun> Tacitus: can you upload your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to a web site?
[02:05] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, as for the mp3s, open synaptic and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:05] <Poprocks> it can't play mp3s out of the box for various reasons
[02:05] <Poprocks> and as for the lagginess, what video card do you have?
[02:06] <Tacitus> crimsum: I don't think I can send any paste through http.
[02:06] <Tacitus> Is there a wput?
[02:06] <JayeAeotiv> radeon 7500
[02:06] <JayeAeotiv> There's no driver for it
[02:06] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yes there is
[02:06] <ed_gein> Poprocks:any luck with cdrom problem
[02:06] <Poprocks> use the 'radeon' driver
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> I've read about it but can't find it
[02:07] <Poprocks> ed_gein, try `adduser username drive'
[02:07] <ed_gein> ahhhhhh
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> I've searchd on synaptic, google, etc.
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> no radeon
[02:07] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, are you running 4.10?
[02:07] <scizzo> JayeAeotiv: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[02:07] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select radeon
[02:07] <scizzo> JayeAeotiv: there is a howto there about fglrx
[02:07] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, it's already installed but you're just not using it for some reason -- same thing happened with me -- I'm on a radeon 9250
[02:07] <scizzo> JayeAeotiv: read it
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, radeon isn't in that list.
[02:07] <ogra> scizzo: thats dangerous
[02:08] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, are you on 4.10?
[02:08] <JayeAeotiv> I have no idea
[02:08] <scizzo> ogra: it is?
[02:08] <scizzo> ogra: works fine on my laptop
[02:08] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, does "warty warthog" ring a bell?
[02:08] <Tacitus> crimsun: hang on I'll paste it from another location.
[02:08] <ogra> scizzo: fglrx doesnt work with _all_ 7500 radeons
[02:08] <JayeAeotiv> poprocks, yes
[02:08] <Tacitus> No censorship will stop me from pasting.
[02:08] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, open up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with your preferred editor
[02:08] <JayeAeotiv> scizzo, fglrx doesn't work with mine.
[02:08] <Poprocks> as root
[02:09] <scizzo> ok
[02:09] <ogra> scizzo: so you should also give an advice how to switch back again
[02:09] <Poprocks> why does everyone seem to prefer fglrx over radeon?
[02:09] <Poprocks> radeon works great on my 9250...
[02:09] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, it's open.
[02:09] <daniels> Poprocks: if you find out, you'd be a millionaire
[02:09] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, the radeon driver is also open
[02:09] <Poprocks> maintained by the dri project
[02:10] <JayeAeotiv> poprocks, I mean the file is open lol
[02:10] <Poprocks> oh
[02:10] <Poprocks> lol
[02:10] <ogra> Poprocks: you know that none of the config tools will work anymore after you edited the X config manually i guess
[02:10] <JayeAeotiv> I could care less if something is open source or not.
[02:10] <JayeAeotiv> unless I'm wanting to change it of course
[02:10] <scizzo> on my card the radeon driver is messing up the graphics..the fglrx works fine
[02:10] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, search the file for "ati"
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> Identifier "ATI Technoliges, Inc. Radeon 7500 (RV200QW)
[02:11] <Poprocks> there will be a `Section "Device"`
[02:11] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, right
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> yep
[02:11] <scizzo> ogra: well sorry....I suggested fglrx just because I am using it with the one card I have...didn't know that it had problems with 7500 cards
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> Driver "vesa"
[02:11] <Poprocks> what's in quotes next to "Driver"
[02:11] <ogra> scizzo: not with all :)
[02:11] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, try changing vesa to radeon, saving & quitting and restarting x
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> How do I restart x without rebooting?
[02:12] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: dont edit , dont save !!
[02:12] <ed_gein> ctr alt bkspace
[02:12] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: use the config tool to do it
[02:12] <Poprocks> ogra, is there an ubuntu way of doing it?
[02:12] <ogra> Poprocks: an debian way
[02:12] <Poprocks> oh
[02:12] <ogra> Poprocks: the config tools check the md5 sum of the file
[02:12] <Poprocks> ogra, well could you explain the debian way of doing it
[02:12] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, it's not in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:12] <nevyn> is there an infobot in here?
[02:13] <ogra> Poprocks: if it doesnt mazch they dont write to it anymore
[02:13] <zerok> JayeAeotiv, logging out should be enough as xdm afaik also "restarts x" internally
[02:13] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: even ati isnt in there ?
[02:13] <JayeAeotiv> ati is
[02:13] <Poprocks> yeah that's weird, mine defaulted to ati
[02:13] <JayeAeotiv> but that driver doesn't work
[02:13] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yeah it didn't work for me either
[02:13] <Poprocks> but changing it to radeon worked
[02:14] <LinuxNIT> how big of a partition do i need to install ubuntu?
[02:14] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: ok... if you edit hat file you will have to do all changes manually in the future, if you can cope with that, its ok...
[02:14] <ogra> LinuxNIT: with desktop 2G
[02:14] <LinuxNIT> laptop
[02:14] <LinuxNIT> its going on a Ibook
[02:14] <Poprocks> I personally stay away from graphical configurators other than gnome specific stuff
[02:14] <JayeAeotiv> Can I just change it back then do whatever needs to be done otherwise?
[02:14] <JayeAeotiv> then chagne it again?
[02:14] <ogra> LinuxNIT: with desktop software
[02:15] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, you could cp XF86Config-4 XF86Config.bak
[02:15] <Poprocks> and then change XF86Config-4
[02:15] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: the md5 sum wont match anymore....
[02:15] <ogra> Poprocks: thats the sane way, yes :)
[02:15] <Poprocks> so if something messes up you can just delete XF86Config-4 and rename XF86Config.bak to XF86Config-4
[02:15] <JayeAeotiv> Well I already hit save before ogra told me not to.
[02:16] <ogra> heh, ok
[02:16] <JayeAeotiv> so I suppose I can do things manually
[02:16] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, if you just remember to change back to vesa it will be ok
[02:16] <ogra> do it then :)
[02:17] <LinuxNIT> so i need 2 gigs?
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> yeah if I change it back to vesa will the sum match?
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> or does it match the file's last modified date as well?
[02:17] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yes
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> So what's the config way to do it?
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> dpkg-reconfigure?
[02:18] <JayeAeotiv> I'll not even bother.
[02:18] <ogra> LinuxNIT: for a default desktop environment install, yes....you can do a custom install and tailor it smaller but loose functionallity
[02:18] <JayeAeotiv> I already saved it might as well see.
[02:18] <Poprocks> yeah JayeAeotiv
[02:18] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, are you in runlevel 3 or 5?
[02:18] <LinuxNIT> oh ok i see iwas abit confused but i understand now
[02:18] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, I have no idea.
[02:18] <ogra> Poprocks: debian only uses 2
[02:18] <Poprocks> ogra, ah, forgot about that
[02:19] <ogra> Poprocks: there is no difference between all the runlevels
[02:19] <Poprocks> ogra, it just starts the dm in 3 right?
[02:19] <JayeAeotiv> I'll be right back and tell you how it goes.
[02:19] <ogra> Poprocks: nope it uses 2
[02:19] <ogra> Poprocks: and they all are the same
[02:20] <ogra> Poprocks: its up to you to add/remove symlinks to change them
[02:20] <Poprocks> k
[02:20] <Poprocks> I must say, I find Slackware & Arch's to be much simpler
[02:20] <Poprocks> but oh well
[02:21] <Poprocks> (initscripts, that is)
[02:21] <nevyn> sysv init > bsd init seriously
[02:21] <nevyn> it's a little more complicated at first.
[02:21] <Poprocks> yeah, I'm just used to it that's all
[02:21] <nevyn> but bsd init is a maze of twisty little shell scripts all a like.
[02:21] <Poprocks> but I should learn both anyway
[02:21] <Poprocks> but I miss my rc.conf dearly
[02:22] <ogra> heh
[02:22] <nevyn> there's a utility for changing init stuff. update-rc.d
[02:22] <ogra> nevyn: nope
[02:22] <zerok> i really have to alias emerge="apt-get" arghhh *g*
[02:22] <nevyn> but I usually just mv the simlink's manually.
[02:22] <nevyn> ogra: ubuntu droped that?
[02:23] <ogra> nevyn: update-rc.d is neither a admin nor a user tool
[02:23] <BzBB_linux> is it possible to install from a livecd?
[02:23] <ogra> nevyn: its a backend for apt
[02:23] <ogra> BzBB_linux: nope
[02:23] <Tacitus> crimsun: This paste is too big for the remote to handle.  I'll have to paste them in a few lines at a time.  Will take a while.
[02:23] <ogra> BzBB_linux: take the install cd for that
[02:23] <BzBB_linux> ok
[02:23] <nevyn> ogra: see that's how I always viewed but I've been told I'm wrong by "debian people" often
[02:23] <BzBB_linux> thanks
[02:24] <ogra> nevyn: all your changes get reverted on next update
[02:24] <nevyn> hrm that's bad.
[02:24] <ogra> nevyn: ....to the package defaults
[02:24] <nevyn> eep. that's very bad.
[02:24] <BzBB_linux> this stuff has gotten so much nicer since debian 2.2 which was the last distro I used
[02:24] <ogra> :)
[02:25] <ed_gein> Tacitus:use #flood
[02:25] <nevyn> BzBB_linux: you realise that ubuntu is debian 3.0 +abit right?
[02:25] <BzBB_linux> yes
[02:25] <ogra> rather debian (still unreleased) 3.1 + a lot ;)
[02:26] <nevyn> ogra: true.
[02:26] <ogra> hehe
[02:26] <Kamion> Debian unstable actually
[02:26] <Kamion> 3.1's a separate branch ...
[02:26] <BzBB_linux> I dreamed I was using gnome last night
[02:26] <BzBB_linux> so I decided it was time to go back to linux
[02:27] <ogra> Kamion: sarge isnt 3.1 ?
[02:27] <Kamion> BzBB_linux: you know you've been hacking too long when ...
[02:27] <Kamion> ogra: it is
[02:27] <Kamion> ogra: sarge is not unstable though :)
[02:27] <ogra> ah... sorry had a gin already
[02:27] <BzBB_linux> Kamion, i used to dream bash
[02:27] <ogra> got it
[02:27] <ogra> :))
[02:27] <BzBB_linux> then I got back to windows after a prolonged fight with the pcmcia cdrom on my laptop
[02:28] <ogra> nevyn: is it you  ?
[02:28] <ogra> nevyn: qcad that is ....
[02:28] <BzBB_linux> whats the best way to download the install cd from the live CD?
[02:29] <zerok> hm.... are there also synaptics drivers available as deb for xorg?
[02:30] <Kamion> xorg-driver-synaptics
[02:30] <zerok> stupid question *g*
[02:30] <zerok> tnx :-)
[02:31] <zerok> time for giving hoary a try :-) cu hopefully later :-)
[02:31] <nevyn> ogra: no.
[02:31] <nevyn> that's the good thing.
[02:31] <ogra> nevyn: heh, i would have poked you to make a gcad from it ;)
[02:32] <nevyn> I had the source but decided that dealing with upstream was going to be too hard.
[02:32] <nevyn> ogra: meh I like qt
[02:32] <ogra> nevyn: oh, a kubuntu guy
[02:32] <Crane|laptop> what's up peeps
[02:33] <nevyn> ogra: the way it's licenced is whack.
[02:33] <nevyn> this is gpl on linux but not on win32. like you can choose.
[02:33] <stuNNed> what is the name of the xorg devel package?
[02:33] <Poprocks> well that's not fair
[02:33] <crimsun> stuNNed: which x.org devel package?
[02:34] <ogra> nevyn: qcad ?=
[02:34] <Poprocks> Qt for X11 is GPL and if you want it to run on Windows you could port it
[02:34] <nevyn> ogra: yeah
[02:34] <Poprocks> the company has to make money somehow
[02:34] <nevyn> Poprocks: it'd be a good way to annoy the trolls.
[02:34] <Poprocks> and they do so by providing a wonderful, affordable package
[02:34] <JayeAeotiv> Dear god that was awful
[02:34] <nevyn> qcad or qt?
[02:34] <Poprocks> Qt
[02:35] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, no luck?
[02:35] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, I had some gui... many lines going through it... no keyboard working... and it was all really really tiny.  Was like a stoner's mind.
[02:35] <nevyn> I'm pissed that their scripting engin is only in the proprietary version tho.
[02:35] <nevyn> particularly as it's based off python
[02:36] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, how are you starting X?
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> It starts on boot
[02:36] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, so did you change vesa to radeon and reboot?
[02:36] <Poprocks> or what did you do
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> I hit ctrl alt backspace
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> then I rebooted
[02:36] <Poprocks> I'm trying to get into your mindset here
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> when I rebooted just had a black screen
[02:36] <Poprocks> so ctrl alt backspace was a disaster?
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[02:37] <Poprocks> it's just weird.. I have a Radeon card, a newer one using the same chipset line and mine works fine
[02:37] <JayeAeotiv> beats me
[02:37] <nevyn> same chipset?
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> RV200
[02:38] <Poprocks> not same chipset
[02:38] <Poprocks> but...
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> Mine says RV200QW
[02:38] <nevyn> still r200ish?
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> Everything I've read says radeon is the driver for my card
[02:38] <Poprocks> mine's RV280
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> but I never saw it in the list.
[02:38] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yeah it's supposed to be
[02:39] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[02:39] <nevyn> Poprocks: you using the binary driver? (eww ptooehy)
[02:39] <Poprocks> nevyn, no.
[02:39] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, put that in terminal?
[02:39] <nevyn> what's the other card?
[02:39] <nevyn> daniels: ping
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> a lot of warning just like that.
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> that at the end
[02:40] <nevyn> that's ok.
[02:41] <nevyn> font servers on a local machine bad.
[02:42] <Poprocks> yeah that doesn't sound overly fatal to me
[02:42] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, so how'd you get back into X?
[02:42] <stuNNed> crimsun, um there is no xorg-devel ?
[02:42] <JayeAeotiv> I changed back to vesa
[02:42] <stuNNed> or the like?
[02:43] <Kamion> stuNNed: there's xlibs-dev, but daniels turns blue and screams every time I mention it
[02:43] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, lsmod | grep agpgart
[02:43] <daniels> nevyn: sup
[02:43] <Kamion> stuNNed: look for libx*-dev depending on the library you're using
[02:43] <JayeAeotiv> agpgart                31784  1 via_agp
[02:43] <JayeAeotiv> brb restroom
[02:43] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: thanks for sharing ;)
[02:43] <stuNNed> Kamion, so if i need to compile something that needs x devel libs that would be what i need?
[02:44] <Kamion> stuNNed: ideally, find out which libraries it needs and install those
[02:44] <ogra> lol
[02:44] <nevyn> daniels: remind me about free driver support for radeons.  what's the best supported?
[02:44] <Kamion> stuNNed: libx11-dev, libxt-dev are usually good starts, may need others
[02:44] <stuNNed> ogra, LOL
[02:44] <daniels> nevyn: 8500
[02:44] <stuNNed> Kamion, roger that, over and out
[02:44] <nevyn> daniels: which is an rv250?
[02:44] <daniels> nevyn: 9000, which i have -- works fine
[02:44] <Kamion> stuNNed: actually ... try x-window-system-dev
[02:45] <Tacitus> crimsum:  This is braindead.  I keep on overflowing the buffers of my remote shell.  Need to start pasting again.
[02:45] <Kamion> (big and fat)
[02:45] <Poprocks> any radeon up to and including 9250 should work according to DRI
[02:45] <stuNNed> Kamion, whoa, did that pull in some stuffs :D  this is for xorg righties?
[02:45] <Kamion> stuNNed: in hoary, yeah
[02:46] <Kamion> stuNNed: that's got programmer's documentation and everything
[02:46] <stuNNed> ok lol
[02:46] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, back
[02:46] <Kamion> plus debug and static libraries
[02:46] <Kamion> it's really for developers of X-using software, rather than people just trying to build things
[02:47] <JayeAeotiv> I'm thinking about tyring to develop some software for x.  But I need to learn my way around it first.  That could take a while too.
[02:47] <JDahl> I am thinking of getting an amd64 machine for numbercrunching at work... we almost exclusively buy Dell (who doesnt sell amd64). Any recommendations for other mainstream companies selling amd64 desktops that works well with Linux?
[02:48] <Kamion> HP do some, which I believe are pretty good
[02:48] <zenrox> aleinware
[02:48] <JayeAeotiv> I always just peice things together.  Cheaper
[02:48] <stuNNed> Kamion, but it will work and give me all xorg dev libs for building something from source, correctomundo?
[02:48] <Kamion> stuNNed: should do, yeah
[02:49] <stuNNed> Kamion, thanks man :)
[02:49] <nevyn> JDahl: other than dell and paqpaq (HP) who else is there.
[02:49] <nevyn> IBM might do them.
[02:49] <JayeAeotiv> poprocks, any other ideas?
[02:50] <nevyn> not that ibm do desktops anymore.
[02:50] <Mojo> Hi,I why doesn't the cd player not show the track titles?
[02:51] <JDahl> nevyn, that's why I asked... a quick search through those companies only gave me some overprices servers with SCSI, and I cant be arsed to assemble a machine from pieces at work
[02:51] <JDahl> a pity...
[02:51] <nevyn> JDahl: any way you can just buy it from a local reuptable pc company?
[02:51] <nevyn> or won't work deal with that?
[02:52] <nevyn> Mojo: that's a double negative they'e unusual in english.
[02:52] <MagicFab> Hello everyone
[02:52] <nevyn> Mojo: Why does the cd player show the track titles? is what you asked....
[02:52] <JDahl> nevyn, only if I make a crusade.. we have special discount agreements with major companies
[02:53] <nevyn> JDahl: sigh.
[02:53] <ogra> nevyn: why, isnt - - in english + too ?
[02:53] <Mojo> nevyn, yeah :) I have a hard time explinging things...sorry:/
[02:53] <MagicFab> Wondering if anyone' s heard of Network Manager ( http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager )
[02:53] <nevyn> ogra: it is but it's a construct almost exclusivly used by not native speakers.
[02:53] <MagicFab> According to the download page, packages should be available for Debian... usually this means they' re in Universe for Ubuntu
[02:53] <ogra> nevyn: lol, i am non native...
[02:53] <nevyn> Mojo: is my re-phrasing of the question correct?
[02:54] <Mojo> yup :)
[02:54] <nevyn> because it looks up the cd on the internet and downloads the tracklist. and then displays it.
[02:55] <Ohmer> where is the libglade module for python, in wich package, in Ubuntu?
[02:55] <MagicFab> Has anyone tried NM ?
[02:55] <Mojo> but it doesn't always work. so far it only worked with 2 cds
[02:55] <nevyn> ogra: it's one of my big problems with the old debian installer..
[02:55] <Mojo> and there all originals
[02:55] <nevyn> would you like to skip the badblock scan on /dev/hda?
[02:55] <nevyn> what does no do?
[02:55] <ogra> hehe
[02:56] <JayeAeotiv> what was the name of that mp3 package.
[02:56] <JayeAeotiv> I got it.. now I'm lookn for it
[02:56] <crimsun> gstreamer0.8-mad?
[02:56] <nevyn> Mojo: sometimes the cd isn't in the database on the internet.
[02:56] <JayeAeotiv> yeah that's it.  Thanks crimsun
[02:57] <Mojo> nevyn, thats odd it used to work in FC and Slackware :/
[02:57] <ogra> MagicFab: NM ?
[02:57] <Mojo> where do I go to check to see if its in the databasE?
[02:57] <crimsun> Ohmer: for what version of python?
[02:57] <nevyn> Mojo: possibly they used different cddb servers
[02:57] <Ohmer> 2.3
[02:57] <crimsun> python2.3-glade2
[02:57] <Mojo> nevyn, oh...is there a way to change it?
[02:58] <MagicFab> ogra: NetworkManager
[02:58] <ogra> MagicFab: ahh...
[02:58] <Ohmer> crimsun: this package is installed, but it doesn't work when I "import libglade"
[02:58] <ogra> MagicFab: even if i got a hoary box hanging around here, i didnt try it yet, but saw it...its really cool
[02:58] <nevyn> ibm only do intel as well.
[02:59] <JayeAeotiv> How do I use gstreamer?
[02:59] <JayeAeotiv> I can't find like it's... what are executables called in linux?
[02:59] <crimsun> Ohmer: you're not importing the correct semantics
[02:59] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: its a backend
[02:59] <crimsun> Ohmer: you import gtk and gtk.glade
[03:00] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: rhythmbox or totem use it
[03:00] <crimsun> Ohmer: or pygtk, gtk, and gtk.glade
[03:00] <crimsun> Ohmer: see the examples in /usr/share/doc/python2.3-glade2/examples/glade/
[03:00] <JayeAeotiv> cool ty
[03:00] <Mojo> nevyn, the cd i'm playing is in the database so it should work right?
[03:00] <nevyn> JDahl: amd64 is the new alpha
[03:00] <nevyn> it should.
[03:01] <ogra> nevyn: bah
[03:01] <ogra> nevyn: alpha is alpha
[03:01] <nevyn> JDahl: you're going to end up win the workstation market with real vendors wanting to charge you $10K + for a system
[03:01] <Ohmer> crimsun: thx.. I just read a bad tutorial :)
[03:01] <ogra> arch
[03:02] <nevyn> ogra: all those alpha chip engineers ended up at AMD
[03:02] <BzBB> nevyn, I hope you don't mean its doomed to small market share, and a sad, early death despite technological superiority
[03:02] <ogra> i know....
[03:02] <ogra> nevyn: but there is nothing like digital
[03:02] <nevyn> amd still have higher failurerate than intel
[03:02] <nevyn> which is unfortunate
[03:02] <BzBB> I use an old digital monitor as a nightstand
[03:03] <nevyn> ogra: I miss digital.
[03:03] <nevyn> ogra: HP just isn't the same.
[03:03] <ogra> nevyn: me too
[03:03] <JayeAeotiv> Is there a way to make wine not make the windows text so tiny?
[03:03] <ogra> nevyn: i still look for a used up2000
[03:03] <nevyn> I have a couple of prioris's
[03:04] <nevyn> they're awesom.
[03:04] <ogra> :)
[03:04] <nevyn> just so.. sturdy.
[03:04] <nevyn> we had digital pentium 75's that in testing outran 133's and 150's from compaq and dell.
[03:05] <nevyn> cause the io system was better the motherboard was better.
[03:05] <nevyn> etc.
[03:05] <ogra> nevyn: ever tried a p-pro ?
[03:05] <nicedreams> i believe it.  My P3 1ghz with RDRam runs faster than my P4 1.6
[03:05] <nevyn> I've seen a few of them.
[03:06] <ogra> nicedreams: bah ghz.... we talk about mhz
[03:06] <nevyn> nicedreams: put the rdram with the P4 it was built for it.
[03:06] <nicedreams> i know, but the p3 board only takes rd....  it's kind of funny since P4's only ran on RDram when they first came out
[03:06] <nevyn> the p3 is a faster chip per clock.
[03:06] <nevyn> rdram on a p3 is a loosing propasition.
[03:07] <JayeAeotiv> man there's basically two resolutions.
[03:07] <JayeAeotiv> Huge
[03:07] <JayeAeotiv> and Tiny
[03:07] <nevyn> it was a mistake.
[03:07] <nicedreams> didn't via pick up rdram after intel ditched it?
[03:07] <nevyn> rdram is what's used in most console systems.
[03:07] <nevyn> gamecube etc.
[03:07] <nicedreams> RDRam runs on the same bus as the processor
[03:07] <nevyn> nicedreams: sigh.
[03:07] <nicedreams> so more efficiant and so it's faster
[03:08] <nicedreams>  :)
[03:08] <nevyn> sigh.
[03:08] <nicedreams> lol
[03:08] <nicedreams> why a sigh?
[03:08] <nevyn> cause that's sortof true.
[03:08] <nicedreams> :)
[03:08] <nevyn> it's not physically wired to the cpu.
[03:08] <nicedreams> naw
[03:08] <nicedreams> but it doesn't have to translate to it's faster
[03:09] <JayeAeotiv> How can I make a shortcut to something for wine to run?
[03:09] <nicedreams> just like cable will never be faster than a T1 which many people think
[03:09] <nevyn> it still goes through the northbridge and it is on the frontside bus which is true of all ram.
[03:09] <nicedreams> T1 is more efficiant
[03:09] <nicedreams> oh well...i don't use the P3 anymore since last month anyways
[03:09] <nicedreams> so no more rd for me
[03:09] <nevyn> it's higher latency for greater throughput.
[03:10] <nevyn> so getting the first 64bits takes 10 cycles.
[03:10] <nicedreams> anyone try mepis linux?
[03:10] <nevyn> but then you get 64bits every cycle.
[03:11] <nevyn> as opposed to DDR where it might take 2 cycles for every transfer.
[03:11] <MrPrimate> hey, I am having a terrible time with Ubuntu on this laptop (hp pavilion ze4300), mainly because there is some problem where the mouse automatically clicks one or both buttons while you are typing... over and over
[03:11] <nicedreams> DDR is getting better, but they had RDram at 8Ghz before intel dropped it
[03:11] <nevyn> but when the pipeline is 32 stages you can fill it in 10+32 cycles as opposed to 32*2 cycles which is a win
[03:11] <MrPrimate> i can hardly get in more than a sentence without being interrupted
[03:11] <nicedreams> I want the new GHz DDR
[03:12] <nevyn> MrPrimate: it's irc conversations are like this.
[03:12] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: try a usb mouse for a sec
[03:12] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, if I have one then I will try that
[03:12] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: see if same problem
[03:12] <nicedreams> oh
[03:12] <Kamion> nevyn: don't think that's what he meant ...
[03:12] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, I put Ubuntu on this machine for my mom, who is a writer, so she doesn't have the headaches of windows.. but she can't write anything now !
[03:12] <nevyn> oh by his local problem?
[03:12] <Kamion> (hm, or she from the ircname, either way)
[03:12] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: is it a brand new install?
[03:13] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, yes
[03:13] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: probably less time consuming to just reinstall it then
[03:13] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: Make sure to make a /home partition so you never loose anything
[03:13] <nicedreams> if you have to reformat or change distros
[03:13] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, how would i know that reinstalling will do anything to fix it ?
[03:14] <nevyn> modern cpu performance is mostly about getting the data there.
[03:14] <MrPrimate> i think it might have to do with the touchpad driver or something
[03:14] <nicedreams> MrPrimate:  you never know unless you try.  Sometimes you have to do that.  You can search for it for a few hours or just take 20mins ot reinstall and see what happens
[03:14] <ogra> hmm, probably its a synaptics touchpad issue
[03:14] <MrPrimate> ogra, that's what i am thinking right now
[03:14] <nevyn> MrPrimate: you're not brushing the pad with your hand or something silly right.
[03:15] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, only i have already gone to the trouble of importing her e-mail, bookmarks, files, etc
[03:15] <nicedreams> oh
[03:15] <ogra> sadly i dont know really much about synaptics
[03:15] <nicedreams> that's why make sure next time you make a /home partition
[03:15] <MrPrimate> nevyn, no, .. that happns sometimes too bt it is definately a separate issue
[03:15] <nicedreams> then you never ever ever loose anything
[03:16] <nicedreams> I've changed from 5 distros and reinstalls and always keep the same settings for everything
[03:17] <ogra> MrPrimate: have you looked here, there are probably some hints: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[03:17] <stuNNed> hi ogra
[03:18] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: post the mouse config from X
[03:18] <ogra> stuNNed: hi
[03:18] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: maybe it needs another mouse driver instead of the one detected
[03:18] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: regular debian messes up my mouse all the time
[03:19] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, i'm going to try to mess around for a bit.. just thought this might be a common problem
[03:19] <nicedreams> wish we could help
[03:19] <nicedreams> try linuxforums.org and neowin.net
[03:19] <nicedreams> err
[03:19] <nicedreams> linuxquestions.org
[03:19] <MrPrimate> np thanks.. why are ubuntu people so friendly?
[03:20] <crimsun> why wouldn't we be in a channel and a distro based on "Ubuntu?"
[03:20] <nicedreams> because it's a from africa and they have good spirits
[03:20] <crimsun> :)
[03:20] <ogra> MrPrimate: because its ubuntu ?
[03:20] <nicedreams> lol...  i dunno
[03:20] <nicedreams>  :)
[03:20] <stuNNed> are sound issues in warty fixed with recent updates?  reason asking i got my 50 cd's and was curious as to anticipate sound problems with 50 users! lol
[03:20] <MrPrimate> right.. hah
[03:20] <crimsun> stuNNed: what issues?
[03:21] <stuNNed> crimsun, like if two soundcards doesn't select the right one or something, i just remember having sound issues upon initial install of warty
[03:21] <ultrakorne> cannot run a command without password using sudo.. sudeoer appers correct
[03:22] <ultrakorne> i wrote in ml, but noone could help me
[03:23] <ultrakorne> "ALL localhost=(root)NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower" is the line i added, but if i run 'sudo savepower' the system ask me for the password
[03:23] <stuNNed> crimsun, i gave my neighbor a bunch, he knows all the kids in town, and going to hand em out at school :D
[03:23] <stuNNed> crimsun, but i think gave my neighbor too much going to take some back for school
[03:24] <nevyn> JDahl: hp do amd64 desktops
[03:24] <MrPrimate> is it possible to get kde apps in ubuntu?  (i can't seem to find the regular kde packages)
[03:24] <Kamion> ultrakorne: don't you need a space after (root)?
[03:25] <Tacitus> crimsun: Pasted the /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin.com
[03:25] <Kamion> ultrakorne: I'd take out the localhost=(root) bit anyway, it's unnecessary and confusing
[03:26] <crimsun> MrPrimate: enable the 'universe' repo
[03:27] <MrPrimate> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe  ?
[03:27] <crimsun> MrPrimate: no, those are backports.
[03:27] <ogra> MrPrimate: its already in your sources
[03:28] <MrPrimate> nice, thanks
[03:28] <ultrakorne> Kamion, i added to test, i tryed 5-6 different sintaxes
[03:29] <ultrakorne> also with aliases... all seems useless... can't undertand what's wrong, the sintax is correct
[03:29] <speel> syntax :P
[03:29] <ultrakorne> s/sintax/syntax :P ok :D?
[03:29] <Kamion> you did use visudo I trust
[03:29] <ultrakorne> yes
[03:30] <Kamion> hm, that syntax is definitely wrong come to think of it
[03:30] <Kamion> try 'ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower'
[03:31] <JDahl> nevyn, you're right, I missed that... They have a 3200+ with 2GB ram for less than $1500 without monitor (and I dont have to pay the mandatory $50 for XPHome, I always feel screwed when I do that)
[03:31] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok, what is easiest way to uninstall all of those xorg dev packages? lol
[03:31] <ultrakorne> ok let's try, but i cant belive my syntax is wrong :P
[03:31] <Kamion> and presumably you've put a username before that
[03:31] <Kamion> it needs to be something like 'ultrakorne ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower'
[03:31] <ultrakorne> ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower u mean?
[03:31] <nevyn> JDahl: if you've got to do it through work it's probably the go.
[03:31] <ogra> stuNNed: reinstall ;)
[03:32] <ultrakorne> i tryed that too..
[03:32] <Kamion> ultrakorne: have you read the EXAMPLES section of the sudoers man page? it doesn't sound like it
[03:32] <Kamion> no, not ALL
[03:32] <nevyn> JDahl: I'd feel better building it myself with a nice tyan board for that sort of money tho.
[03:32] <Kamion> a username
[03:32] <Kamion> (or a group)
[03:32] <macewan> try unreinstalling
[03:32] <ogra> stuNNed: or learn pinning
[03:32] <ogra> lol
[03:32] <stuNNed> ogra, lol
[03:32] <nevyn> JDahl: I'd be happier if it wer a vectra.
[03:32] <ultrakorne> Kamion, i tryed both with a user, or with a group (with % prefix)
[03:32] <stuNNed> ogra, lol i'm an x dev now! lol
[03:32] <ultrakorne> ALL is valid too
[03:32] <Kamion> true, now you mention it
[03:33] <Kamion> well, check log files, I believe sudo logs to /var/log/auth.log
[03:33] <stuNNed> ogra, if you know and x dev's let em know they can use my puter to work on lol
[03:33] <ultrakorne> ultra ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower , not working...
[03:33] <stuNNed> ogra, does apt keep a logfile what was installed of late?
[03:34] <ogra> stuNNed: i'm only hacking the screensaver currently. but if i got further i'll contact you *g*
[03:34] <ogra> stuNNed: nope, not in my knowledge
[03:36] <macewan> anyone messed with chicken & monkeypop?
[03:36] <ogra> macewan: ?
[03:36] <macewan> chicken & monkeypop
[03:36] <macewan> the chicken framework
[03:37] <ogra> macewan: what is the chicken framework ? never heard of it ?
[03:37] <dcstimm> hey guys, does your livecd have chroot installed? and bash?
[03:37] <ogra> dcstimm: sure
[03:37] <macewan> ogra: http://mspace.berlios.de/gunther-user/view.php/page/Chicken-Framework
[03:37] <odyssey> Hi i am wondering why libvorbis0a has an a on the end of its name? This is a problem for me as i am unable to install a .deb which has the dependency of libvorbis0. Please can someone help?
[03:37] <dcstimm> ogra, does it have everything I need to format a partition ext2?
[03:38] <dcstimm> and ext3?
[03:38] <ogra> dcstimm: yep
[03:38] <Kamion> odyssey: the ABI got changed and therefore the soname had to change. Get whoever provided the .deb to rebuild it against a vaguely current system.
[03:38] <dcstimm> ogra, yay I can use it to install gentoo
[03:38] <dcstimm> !
[03:38] <ogra> lol
[03:38] <ogra> LOL
[03:38] <Kamion> odyssey: (or rebuild it yourself, assuming you have source)
[03:38] <dcstimm> =-)
[03:38] <dcstimm> brb rebooting into ubuntu
[03:39] <ogra> dcstimm: form last week:
[03:39] <ogra> 04:21:47]  <findme> this is a big crowd here
[03:39] <ogra> [04:21:53]  <findme> have all gentoo users moved here ?
[03:39] <odyssey> Kamion, coming from a rpm distro is it possible to remove libvorbis0a with a nodeps flag?
[03:39] <Kamion> odyssey: nodeps is EVIL AND BAD AND WRONG
[03:39] <dcstimm> ogra, to bad its still using apt I would switch in a heart beat if it had its own package manager
[03:39] <Kamion> odyssey: (no, it will break things)
[03:40] <scoon> yah
[03:40] <ogra> dcstimm: what are you missing in apt ?
[03:40] <scoon> i just put hoary in with no problems.
[03:40] <scoon> seems to work out nice for the last 20mins
[03:40] <ultrakorne> Kamion, auth.log says Dec 30 03:39:48 localhost sudo: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname=ultra uid=0 euid=0 tty=pts/2 ruser= rhost=  user=ultra
[03:40] <scoon> ;)
[03:40] <Kamion> rpm's casual tolerance of nodeps is one of its worst features. you can do it with dpkg, but apt will complain.
[03:40] <Kamion> and in this case it probably won't work either
[03:40] <Kamion> s/either/anyway/
[03:40] <odyssey> but if i then install libvorbis0 it wouldnt break things, would it?
[03:41] <Kamion> the libvorbis0a transition is one that you just have to swallow. really, get the maintainer of the package in question to rebuild it, it's the easiest way
[03:41] <odyssey> Kamion, ok thank you
[03:42] <Kamion> if it were possible to install libvorbis0 then you would be able to do so without needing to force dependency breakage along the way
[03:44] <odyssey> it is possible its just that i have libvorbis0a installed at the moment
[03:44] <Tacitus> crimsun: Did you get a chance to look at my /var/log output?
[03:49] <liquidboy> i'm confused. what is the ususal directory to extract applications into? (eg, i downloaded nvu and have just extracted it to my home dir...)
[03:49] <liquidboy> i cant find any obvious folders to put all the applications into
[03:50] <Kamion> odyssey: libvorbis0 died ages ago; no Debian-descended distribution since Debian 3.0 has it
[03:51] <Kamion> odyssey: where's this package, anyway?
[03:52] <ogra> hmmm, ogra@monkey:~ $ dpkg -l |grep libvorbis
[03:52] <ogra> ii  libvorbis0a    1.0.1-1        The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec
[03:53] <stuNNed> ogra, are you in front of your testing box?
[03:53] <ogra> stuNNed: nope, but i can go in the other room...
[03:54] <stuNNed> ogra, can you just check real quick on your unstable box if you can install gnomad2 binary?  i'm using 2.6.1 and there is no .deb for it yet but curious if latest in unstable will work on your unstable box
[03:54] <stuNNed> ogra, you can --purge after?
[03:54] <ogra> stuNNed: wait a sec
[03:54] <stuNNed> ogra, roger that
[03:54] <odyssey> Kamion i want to install libavcodec which requires it
[03:56] <nicedreams> what's the command to relink packages?
[03:56] <liquidboy> maybe i didnt ask the qn right... can someone point me in the direction of a tutorial on the linux direcotry structure, i'm stumped
[03:56] <ogra> stuNNed: worked fine...
[03:56] <Kamion> odyssey: the version of libavcodec2 in Ubuntu multiverse depends on libvorbis0a
[03:56] <Mestapheles> hi, does ubuntu-ppc support nvidia GeForce4 MX out of the box?
[03:57] <Kamion> I'm pretty sure there are other builds out there for Debian sarge which depend on libvorbis0a too
[03:57] <nicedreams> oh damn, prelink isn't installed by default?  wow
[03:57] <stuNNed> ogra, ok, i can't get it to start, there is no error message, it just hangs, thanks though
[03:58] <Mestapheles> anyone using nvidia?
[03:58] <stuNNed> ogra, thanks man, guess can debug libnjb, appreciate it
[03:58] <ogra> :)
[03:58] <nicedreams> nvidia rocks
[03:59] <nicedreams> yes
[03:59] <odyssey> Kamion, is that in the hoary repo?
[03:59] <Kamion> odyssey: either warty or hoary
[04:00] <odyssey> Kamion, arrr i see it thank you
[04:01] <thegreatone2176> why is the pkg-config latest version so old in the package manager
[04:01] <thegreatone2176> and it says its the newest
[04:01] <dcstimm> hey guys, It would have been nice if mp3 or mpg support was on the FREAKING LIVECD! ugg
[04:01] <dcstimm> oh well
[04:02] <dcstimm> gentoo installs nicely off of it
[04:02] <dcstimm> and the fonts look horrible in firefox, what is it compiled with bindset or something?
[04:02] <dcstimm> nasty
[04:02] <ogra> dcstimm: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:03] <thegreatone2176> anyone have an answer to my ?
[04:03] <Kamion> pkg-config |   0.15.0-4 |    warty/main | amd64, i386, powerpc
[04:03] <Kamion> pkg-config | 0.15.0-4ubuntu2 |    hoary/main | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[04:03] <dcstimm> okay then why is the nvidia binary drivers on the cd ogra?
[04:04] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: according to http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkgconfig/releases/, that's the latest release
[04:04] <thegreatone2176> well i went to the package manager and it says that 0.3.0 is the newest
[04:04] <ogra> dcstimm: because they are redistributable without patent fees
[04:04] <Kamion> what package manager?
[04:04] <Kamion> and what exactly did it say?
[04:05] <ogra> dcstimm: distributing mp3 costs a lot
[04:06] <thegreatone2176> ill copy what it says after .0.15 is done installing
[04:06] <nicedreams> cd /mnt/win_c
[04:06] <nicedreams> ls
[04:07] <nicedreams> oops/sry
[04:07] <dcstimm> ogra, ill pay for it
[04:07] <dcstimm> ogra, just have the user pay for the distrobution fees
[04:07] <ogra> dcstimm: you can have it for free ....
[04:07] <Kamion> dcstimm: we're totally committed to distributing Ubuntu for free. Not everyone can pay for it.
[04:07] <ogra> dcstimm: if you install it yourself ;)
[04:07] <dcstimm> Kamion, they can still have a free version
[04:07] <Kamion> sorry, but anything that requires royalties is out of the question.
[04:07] <dcstimm> ogra, livecd im talking about
[04:08] <ogra> dcstimm: i know
[04:08] <Kamion> that means double the testing work for us
[04:08] <dcstimm> Kamion, just one package difference isnt going to hurt much
[04:08] <Kamion> there are considerable benefits in having fewer CDs; combinatorial explosion is bad
[04:09] <ogra> dcstimm: mp3 decoding is free for personal usage, but not for distribution
[04:09] <Kamion> a complete extra CD variant per architecture and per install/live selection hurts a lot
[04:09] <dcstimm> ogra, well then do it illegally, no one will come knocking on our doors
[04:09] <Kamion> dcstimm: you may have missed the fact that Canonical has a fair amount of money and is worth suing
[04:10] <ogra> dcstimm: if gentoo likes to get illegal, do it
[04:10] <thegreatone2176> kamion http://www.pastebin.com/134681
[04:10] <thegreatone2176> something else then
[04:10] <dcstimm> ogra, what about gentoo?
[04:10] <thegreatone2176> cuz 0.15.0 is installed
[04:10] <ogra> dcstimm: ubuntu just wont
[04:10] <ogra> dcstimm: you talked about gentoo...
[04:10] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: libgnome2.0-dev?
[04:10] <dcstimm> ogra, there has to be a simple button for the user to click then to get mp3, mpg, flash, and other support on the livecd then
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> alright
[04:11] <dcstimm> ogra, when?
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> i looked and saw that
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> didnt know if that was it or not
[04:11] <Kamion> sorry, libgnome2-dev
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> alright cool
[04:11] <ogra> dcstimm: all the time before... i.e. the live cd is good for installing gentoo
[04:11] <dcstimm> ogra, and what is up with the font in firefox? is bindset compiled into freetype? its ugly
[04:12] <Kamion> the autohinting settings got changed in hoary, should improve that
[04:12] <liquidboy> can anyone reccomend a really easy / basic ftp app to me ?
[04:12] <dcstimm> ogra, well that is what im doing, but I wasnt speaking about gentoo AT all
[04:12] <thegreatone2176> gftp
[04:12] <thegreatone2176> really easy
[04:12] <ogra> dcstimm: sounded like
[04:12] <thegreatone2176> and g stands for gui so yea
[04:13] <ogra> thegreatone2176: g stands for gtk
[04:13] <dcstimm> it would be nice if the livecd didnt enable bindset
[04:13] <pepsi> g stands for g
[04:13] <dcstimm> or ubuntu in general
[04:13] <Crane|laptop> It cound stand for groovy
[04:13] <Kamion> (which stands for GIMP Tool Kit, and GIMP stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program, and GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix, ad infinitum ...)
[04:13] <ogra> dcstimm: next version will keep that in mind
[04:14] <thegreatone2176> o sorry
[04:14] <dcstimm> ogra, cool
[04:14] <thegreatone2176> the g there just made sense
[04:14] <Crane|laptop> I didn't have much luck with the live CD
[04:14] <Crane|laptop> I plan on doing a full install when I return home
[04:14] <ogra> dcstimm: there are a lot improvements in the next version (install and live)
[04:15] <Crane|laptop> Just wondering,
[04:15] <pepsi> are the hoary install cds useably?
[04:15] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva ~/freetype-2.1.7>$ grep -ri bindset .
[04:15] <pepsi> useable
[04:15] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva ~/freetype-2.1.7>$
[04:15] <Crane|laptop> is there a release date on next version?
[04:15] <Kamion> is it called literally "bindset" or something else?
[04:15] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[04:16] <Kamion> pepsi: Array CD 2's OK, current daily doesn't work
[04:16] <dcstimm> Kamion, yes
[04:17] <Kamion> dcstimm: well, I don't see that string anywhere in the freetype source
[04:17] <Crane|laptop> Kamion: Thanks
[04:18] <odyssey> what is the name of the xfree86 developement package?
[04:18] <dcstimm> Kamion, sorry bindist
[04:18] <miausX> hi :)
[04:18] <Kamion> dcstimm: no match either
[04:19] <ogra> odyssey: x-window-system-dev
[04:19] <dcstimm> Kamion, here is a difference with = http://darylstimm.com/screenshot2.jpg without =
[04:19] <dcstimm> http://darylstimm.com/screenshot.jpg
[04:19] <odyssey> ogra thankyou
[04:20] <Kamion> dcstimm: I don't know what to tell you; there is no such string in the freetype source package. If it's somewhere other than freetype ...
[04:20] <Crane|laptop> Wow I didn't realize that the final release was so far off.
[04:20] <Kamion> I'm not going to grep the entire source tree for you though :P
[04:20] <ogra> dcstimm: at least they are both better than stairstepping
[04:20] <dcstimm> Kamion, let me check
[04:20] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: six months after the last release, not that long
[04:21] <JayeAeotiv> How do I use cvs?
[04:21] <ogra> Crane|laptop: far off ?
[04:21] <JayeAeotiv> in linux?
[04:21] <dcstimm> http://www.google.com/search?q=bindist+freetype&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[04:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo apt-get install cvs
[04:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: then just use it
[04:21] <dcstimm> Kamion, google seems to find it
[04:21] <JayeAeotiv> yay
[04:22] <Crane|laptop> Heh to me six months is a long time lol
[04:22] <Kamion> dcstimm: could easily be a separate patch we don't have
 ogra, and what is up with the font in firefox? is bindset compiled into freetype? its ugly
[04:22] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, you should get paid to chat in here.
[04:22] <ogra> hehe
[04:22] <Kamion> google seems to find a lot of CVS branches and the word "unofficial" next to "bindist"
[04:23] <Kamion> and a lot of fink and gentoo links
[04:23] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: regarding that its 04:22am here... probably *g*
[04:23] <Crane|laptop> I will probably stick with warty
[04:23] <Crane|laptop> for now
[04:23] <ogra> Crane|laptop: yep...
[04:23] <|m|> hi
[04:23] <JayeAeotiv> wow
[04:23] <Crane|laptop> I my try the other on test machine though
[04:23] <ogra> Crane|laptop: btw, its only 4 months
[04:24] <Crane|laptop> Dang,
[04:24] <Crane|laptop> I forgot it's almost next year
[04:24] <ogra> heh
[04:24] <Crane|laptop> man time flies
[04:24] <dcstimm> freetype's bytecode interpreter is available through "bindist"
[04:25] <Crane|laptop> so how many developers are in here
[04:25] <Crane|laptop> ?
[04:25] <liquidboy> hmm, can someone help me out here, wehre is the default folder to put apps into in ubuntu?
[04:25] <Crane|laptop> Do most of them hang out here?
[04:25] <Kamion> liquidboy: applications are packaged and don't live in a single directory
[04:25] <JayeAeotiv> damn I don't know how to use a command line cvs
[04:25] <JayeAeotiv> Windows has spoiled me... bastards
[04:25] <ogra> dcstimm: did you revognioze : bindset != "bindist"
[04:25] <dcstimm> JayeAeotiv, its easy and fun!
[04:26] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: some of us do, it's too busy for development conversations though
[04:26] <dcstimm> ogra, yes, I mentioned that above
[04:26] <Crane|laptop> Liquidboy: I tend to use the /opt folder
 Kamion, sorry bindist
[04:26] <ogra> dcstimm: ah, ok missed it.... sorry
[04:27] <dcstimm> ogra, my mind goes to mush in the winter
[04:27] <Crane|laptop> Kamion: cool yea I can see where it would be hard to carry on a development conversation in here
[04:27] <Crane|laptop> lo os peeps in here
[04:27] <ogra> dcstimm: i had already plenty of gin.....so were on one level *G*
[04:27] <dcstimm> ogra, any reason why the nvidia binary drivers option in the livecd would just restart my machine when loading X?
[04:27] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: #ubuntu used to be the development channel before we went public; we tried to keep development here for about two days, and then it just became totally unworkable
[04:28] <ogra> dcstimm:nope... come back in some hours and ask amu :)
[04:28] <Crane|laptop> I can see why
[04:28] <dcstimm> ogra, heh is he sleeping?
[04:28] <dcstimm> ogra, known issue?
[04:28] <ogra> dcstimm: 04:29am here, yeah
[04:28] <JayeAeotiv> dcstimm, yeah looks it.  googling as we speak
[04:28] <Crane|laptop> Kamion: The distro is very good and very popular.
[04:29] <dcstimm> JayeAeotiv, ah
[04:29] <dcstimm> ogra, where is that?
[04:29] <ogra> dcstimm: germany
[04:29] <Crane|laptop> And the peeps in ere are very friendly
[04:29] <dcstimm> ah
[04:29] <dcstimm> Crane|laptop, except for me
[04:29] <Crane|laptop> That makes a difference too
[04:29] <dcstimm> :)
[04:29] <Crane|laptop> lol
[04:30] <ogra> dcstimm: (only 1 hr ahead of Kamion btw)
[04:30] <Crane|laptop> Are you the mean one?
[04:30] <Crane|laptop> :)
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, cool, how is the weather there?
[04:30] <ogra> dcstimm: brrr
[04:30] <dcstimm> heh
[04:30] <ogra> dcstimm: icy
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, same here
[04:30] <ogra> heh
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, im in New York
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, close to canada
[04:31] <Crane|laptop> brrrrrrr
[04:31] <ogra> dcstimm: xtra brrr
[04:31] <dcstimm> ogra, it stinks
[04:31] <dcstimm> ogra, im from Las Vegas, where its super nice all year round
[04:31] <ogra> dcstimm: i liver 450m above ground in the middle of nowhere and it stinks too
[04:31] <ogra> -r
[04:32] <dcstimm> ogra, my nationality is German, never been there though
[04:32] <dcstimm> ogra, my last name is Stimm, I guess its german..
[04:32] <ogra> heh.... no need to....execpt the beer if you like beer
[04:32] <dcstimm> beer == good
[04:32] <|m|> is there iso for hoary?
[04:32] <ogra> dcstimm: Stimm, .... hmm, not really....
[04:33] <dcstimm> ogra, no?
[04:33] <Kamion> |m|: yes, for the brave
[04:33] <Crane|laptop> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm beer
[04:33] <liquidboy> oh right
[04:33] <JayeAeotiv> how the hell do I connect to a cvs server?
[04:33] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: typically you follow the instructions given by the server admin
[04:33] <dcstimm> ogra, i have no idea of the orgin, my dad was in german 60 years ago, in world war II, I think he killed alot of germans (Sorry)
[04:33] <liquidboy> kamion: are all the different files for the application spread around the place?
[04:33] <ogra> dcstimm: probably as last name....
[04:33] <dcstimm> he was in the battle of germany
[04:33] <|m|> Kamion: for the brave/?
[04:33] <Kamion> liquidboy: yes, it's the package manager's responsibility to organise them, not the filesystem's
[04:34] <ogra> dcstimm: germany was pretty bad then ....
[04:34] <dcstimm> ogra, yeah
[04:34] <JayeAeotiv> Kamion, I've got a bit of info but not much.
[04:34] <stuNNed> ogra, do you have a usb.usermap in /etc/hotplug/usb?
[04:34] <Kamion> |m|: yes, they can be arbitrarily broken :)
[04:34] <JayeAeotiv> They use a few windows cvs things.
[04:34] <ogra> stuNNed: sec...
[04:34] <JayeAeotiv> non command line
[04:34] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: connecting by pserver or ssh?
[04:35] <ogra> stuNNed: only in examples
[04:35] <stuNNed> ogra, ok thanks
[04:35] <|m|> oh ok
[04:35] <dcstimm> ogra, my dad was showing me some neat pictures of him there, he showed me a picture of him stealing some german car, and pictures of some hotel in germany, he also told me about a family that took him in for christmas in 1944 exactly 60 years ago this christmas
[04:35] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: typically something like 'cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.example.org:/cvs/example login', 'cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.example.org:/cvs/example co <module>'
[04:35] <JayeAeotiv> Kamion, ssh
[04:36] <Kamion> ah, replace :pserver: with :ext:
[04:36] <ogra> dcstimm: :)
[04:36] <Kamion> but you'll need to get the full CVSROOT value from the server admin
[04:36] <JayeAeotiv> I checked out a module before on windows.
[04:36] <JayeAeotiv> and have the folders and everything still.
[04:36] <JayeAeotiv> Will I be abl to use the same files or have to check them out again?
[04:36] <Kamion> fill whatever's in CVS/Root in the working copy in after -d
[04:36] <Kamion> you should probably check them out again to make sure you have Unix-style line endings
[04:36] <dcstimm> ogra, well I need to get some cat food for my cat, and maybe some food, ill be back in a bit, thanks for the help
[04:37] <ogra> dcstimm: i'll be sleeping then, bye
[04:37] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[04:39] <JayeAeotiv> Kamion, it says I can only use the login command with pserver
[04:40] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: yeah, ditch login for :ext:
[04:40] <Kamion> you don't need it
[04:40] <Scorp> he where do  I get cool bgs for my laptop?
[04:40] <ogra> Scorp: install ubuntu-calendar
[04:41] <JayeAeotiv> well I took off login and I still cannot connect
[04:41] <Scorp> ogra what'll that give me?
[04:41] <ogra> Scorp: or go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork
[04:41] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: you may also need to 'export CVS_RSH=ssh'; I can't remember if that's the default
[04:41] <Kamion> best put that in your shell startup files
[04:41] <ogra> Scorp: a nice tatooed women... for example..... and every month a new one ;)
[04:42] <Kamion> assuming you don't care about accessing CVS repositories over rsh
[04:42] <JayeAeotiv> I suppose I dont' need to
[04:42] <JayeAeotiv> I'm quitting after I'm finished iwth this job.
[04:42] <JayeAeotiv> I hate working with 'teams' online.
[04:42] <Kamion> otherwise :extssh: or :ext=ssh: works too
[04:43] <Kamion> working with teams online? welcome to Ubuntu development! ;)
[04:43] <ogra> lol
[04:43] <spug> MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: ao2_init
[04:44] <spug> I get that every time I try to play a video
[04:44] <spug> It used to work fine
[04:44] <spug> Now all of a sudden it doesn't :/
[04:44] <ogra> spug: use another -ao option ?
[04:44] <JayeAeotiv> It's evil
[04:44] <sulkd> pff.. nautilus-cd-burner is so not my friend... I have 1.5 gig free, want to free some more by writing some DVDs.. but lo and behold, it requires me to make images.. so I have to have as much free space on /tmp as I want to burn..
[04:44] <Bzbb> you people rock, that is all
[04:44] <JayeAeotiv> Especially when the team is run by a wannabe circus directory
[04:45] <ogra> sulkd:it obviously doesnt recognize your writer
[04:45] <Kamion> sulkd: write a piece at a time, multi-session?
[04:45] <sulkd> ogra: huh?
[04:45] <Kamion> (assuming n-c-b can do that)
[04:45] <ogra> sulkd:it if it only offers iages....
[04:45] <ogra> m
[04:46] <sulkd> Kamion, nah, it has about 2 features.. write and quit
[04:46] <sulkd> ogra, err.. no that's not what I mean.. it first creates an image, then burns it... which means I have to have free space to store what I burn as an ISO first
[04:46] <Kamion> IIRC mdz uses the wonderfully intuitively-named growisofs for DVD burning
[04:46] <ogra> sulkd: ahh, ok....
[04:47] <ogra> sulkd: growisofs is your friend then
[04:47] <Lathiat> Kamion: yeh good name isnt it :)
[04:47] <Lathiat> Kamion: man page explains it tho
[04:47] <sulkd> ogra, nah.. nautilus-cd-burner already uses growisofs
[04:48] <ogra> sulkd: thats news to me, i thought it only uses cdrecord
[04:48] <JayeAeotiv> I wonder whre it put the files that I just checked out.
[04:48] <JayeAeotiv> hmm
[04:48] <Kamion> sulkd: that doesn't necessarily mean it uses all its capabilities
[04:48] <Kamion> sulkd: growisofs can append more data to an existing DVD, so you could do a piece at a time
[04:48] <sulkd> ogra, yeah.. cdrecord for writing the disc.. not for creating the image
[04:48] <Kamion>        When  using growisofs you may not use the o option for an output file.
[04:48] <Kamion>        growisofs dumps the image directly to the media;
[04:49] <sulkd> the wonderful world of small focused applications.. no on-the-fly capability
[04:49] <Kamion> to an existing DVD> DVD+RW, that is
[04:49] <sulkd> well I guess I could use a pipe instead of a file
[04:50] <sulkd> Kamion, I kinda doubt that growisofs has writing capability
[04:50] <Kamion> sulkd: you doubt incorrectly
[04:50] <ogra> sulkd: look in the configuration editor if there are more options.....(i know they are, but got no growisofs installed here)
[04:50] <Kamion>        growisofs - combined mkisofs frontend/DVD recording program.
[04:50] <sulkd> I doubt you doubt we done debted
[04:50] <sulkd> :]
[04:50] <Kamion> sulkd: (so I can tell you haven't read the man page :-))
[04:50] <sulkd> Kamion, true.. :P
[04:52] <stuNNed> sulkd, LOL
[04:52] <stuNNed> sulkd, i didn't done dood it.
[04:52] <gza> How would ubuntu do on a 350mhz + 64 ram?
[04:53] <ogra> that really gets to weird for non native englishmen now.... i'm off to bed, night guys
[04:53] <sulkd> stuNNed, :]
[04:53] <stuNNed> cya ogra thanks again for your help :)
[04:53] <ogra> :)
[04:53] <sulkd> gn ogra
[04:53] <ogra> gza: get +64 ;)
[04:53] <ogra> night
[04:54] <zerokarmaleft> gza, i think gnome would crawl with so little RAM
[04:54] <gza> cpu or ram
[04:54] <huttan> ogra, do you know of a good tool to assign commands to mousekeys?
[04:54] <|m|> yeah
[04:54] <|m|> i observed gnome to be ram hungry
[04:55] <gza> |m| that's true
[04:55] <gza> wasn't sure what ubuntu used as a wm/de
[04:56] <zerokarmaleft> gza, you want to use it as a desktop box?
[04:56] <zerokarmaleft> gza, or a fileserver or something
[04:56] <gza> I wouldn't install ubuntu if I needed a fileserver :)
[04:56] <gza> desktop for mom and bro
[04:57] <gza> zerokarmaleft: was just reading on jimmac's blog about ubuntu
[04:57] <gza> very user friendly etc. easy to install.
[04:58] <Kamion> gza: custom install would be fine, could pick your own wm
[04:59] <Kamion> fluxbox etc. are popular on older boxen
[05:00] <zerokarmaleft> Kamion, but wouldn't be the greatest choice for a typical mom user eh?
[05:00] <Kamion> would depend how you configured it I imagine
[05:00] <Kamion> although sure, not ideal
[05:01] <gza> xfce4 might work though
[05:01] <zenrox> but mom would be able to brek at as easy
[05:01] <zenrox> wouldent
[05:01] <gza> if that's one of the offered wm during the custom install
[05:01] <Kamion> gza: custom = install base system and get out of your face
[05:01] <Kamion> (renamed to server in hoary)
[05:02] <gza> ok thanks Kamion, zerokarmaleft etc.
[05:02] <Kamion> gza: in the custom install you get to run aptitude and pick packages yourself; you'd have to add the universe component (basically Debian built against Ubuntu) in order to get xfce4
[05:02] <Kamion> blah
[05:02] <Bzbb> how would I mount my hdb1, which is NTFS formatted
[05:03] <zenrox> Bzbb,  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/foo
[05:03] <Bzbb> would that make it automount on boot?
[05:04] <Bzbb> or do I have to edit fstab?
[05:04] <zenrox> Bzbb, yes edit fstab
[05:04] <zenrox> or read ubuntuguide.org
[05:04] <zenrox> its in thare
[05:04] <Bzbb> ok
[05:06] <sulkd> Kamion, growisofs is working great.. thx
[05:06] <sulkd> =]
[05:07] <Kamion> cool
[05:07] <sulkd> I feel kinda pissed off now... deleted a bunch of movies to free up space before coming and asking :/
[05:08] <sulkd> erhm.. all of those movies were legitimate copies of media I had bought and can show receipts for.. yeah
[05:28] <MajesticTreeFrog> anyone here?
[05:28] <MajesticTreeFrog> and awake?
[05:29] <zenrox> yep
[05:29] <zenrox> MajesticTreeFrog,  i am here
[05:29] <MajesticTreeFrog> thanks
[05:30] <zenrox> was up and you need help??
[05:30] <zenrox> ill do my best
[05:30] <MajesticTreeFrog> I cannot log into the website, is it having problems?
[05:30] <zenrox> what web site and how are you trying to connect to it
[05:31] <MajesticTreeFrog> the ubuntulinux website
[05:31] <zenrox> are u using firefox
[05:31] <MajesticTreeFrog> with firefox
[05:31] <MajesticTreeFrog> yes
[05:32] <zenrox> are you typing in the right url
[05:32] <WeedVender> hello
[05:32] <zenrox> http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:32] <zenrox> WeedVender,  hello
[05:32] <MajesticTreeFrog> yes, thats not the problem
[05:32] <WeedVender> how do I enable NTP ?
[05:32] <MajesticTreeFrog> I click the login button, and it takes me to a login form
[05:33] <Am|NickTaken> WeedVender: It was enabled by default for me.
[05:33] <zenrox> right click on your clock and change settings and enable ntp WeedVender
[05:33] <MajesticTreeFrog> I enter the info and it says my user info is incorrect
[05:33] <zenrox> MajesticTreeFrog,  did you sine up for it
[05:33] <zenrox> on the ubuntulinux.org page
[05:33] <zenrox> or the forums
[05:33] <MajesticTreeFrog> my email address is correct and I copy pasted my password from the email
[05:34] <MajesticTreeFrog> on the ubuntu linux.org page
[05:34] <zenrox> hmm dont know you might have to take that the webpage admin
[05:34] <WeedVender> he can't log on?
[05:34] <zenrox> yep on the webpage
[05:34] <WeedVender> cookies?
[05:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> they are fine, this only happens on the ubuntulinux page
[05:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> I can log in everywhere else
[05:35] <WeedVender> check your banned websites
[05:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> I dont have any
[05:35] <WeedVender> does linux include a hosts file?
[05:36] <MajesticTreeFrog> and I can see the ubuntulinux webpage
[05:36] <MajesticTreeFrog> just not log in
[05:36] <MajesticTreeFrog> and I am on OS X running the latest firefox
[05:37] <WeedVender> thats odd
[05:38] <MajesticTreeFrog> indeed
[05:38] <MajesticTreeFrog> and it has done this with two email addresses/logins
[05:38] <MajesticTreeFrog> same response
[05:39] <zerokarmaleft> MajesticTreeFrog, same behavior in safari?
[05:39] <bzbb> hmm
[05:39] <bzbb> I'm having audio problems
[05:39] <stuNNed> anyone know where i can get the most recent lsongs?
[05:39] <MajesticTreeFrog> hmm, havent checked, let me try
[05:40] <dcstimm> I soooooooooo wished that ubuntu live cd saw my dual cpus, gezz so annoying
[05:40] <zerokarmaleft> dcstimm, agreed :/
[05:40] <MajesticTreeFrog> yeah
[05:40] <MajesticTreeFrog> same behavior
[05:40] <WeedVender> odd
[05:41] <WeedVender> then its not browser specific
[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> also, when I first try to log in it says it can't verify its certificake or something
[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> certificate
[05:41] <WeedVender> maybe some spyware or virus blocking a site?
[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> on osx?
[05:41] <Orcrist> lol
[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> and why ubuntu?
[05:41] <WeedVender> long shot.. and Im still thinking on windows
[05:42] <MajesticTreeFrog> yeah
[05:42] <MajesticTreeFrog> I thought the same thing and just turned on norton
[05:42] <MajesticTreeFrog> so, I doubt it
[05:42] <Orcrist> WeedVender, it takes a little while to break that cycle of thinking
[05:42] <bzbb> ok
[05:42] <bzbb> I need some help with audio setup
[05:42] <Orcrist> When I first 'converted' I tried to double click everything in konqueror to run it
[05:43] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, do you have more than one sound card?
[05:43] <bzbb> yes
[05:43] <WeedVender> eh... it looks like ive had a smother transition that you.
[05:43] <WeedVender> bzbb, take one off then
[05:43] <WeedVender> than*
[05:44] <bzbb> no way to use both?
[05:45] <bzbb> the error I get in rhythem box is Could not open resource for writing
[05:45] <WeedVender> dunno... you would have to ask someone who knows more about linux
[05:45] <MajesticTreeFrog> so, no ideas?
[05:46] <WeedVender> but I know that in some systems, compatibility issues and irq signing can conflict with software
[05:46] <WeedVender> when using two sound cards
[05:46] <bzbb> one of the soundcards is USB
[05:46] <WeedVender> anyway, Majestic: Im still thinking
[05:46] <bzbb> both are visible in volume control
[05:47] <WeedVender> well there still is a conflict
[05:47] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, what's the other one?
[05:47] <WeedVender> but like I said, you would have to ask someone who knows more linux than I do
[05:48] <bzbb> zerokarmaleft, one is a senheiser usb headset
[05:48] <bzbb> the other a via 8235
[05:48] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, are the via outputs working?
[05:49] <drspin> every time I boot up I have to 1) restart hotplug just to get my mouse working; 2) unload 5 kernel modules and reaload one just to make my sound work; ok that's a start - if anyone could help me I'd appreciate it...
[05:49] <bzbb> I have no idea which one its tring to use
[05:49] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, 'aplay -l' from the terminal
[05:49] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, which one is card 0 and which one is card 1?
[05:50] <crimsun> drspin: don't fret; I have to do much the same
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> hmm
[05:50] <crimsun> drspin: supposedly many such issues are fixed in 2.6.10
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> I just tried reseting my password
[05:50] <crimsun> drspin: just be patient :)
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> I did so
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> but when I try to log in with my new, 'reset' password
[05:51] <MajesticTreeFrog> same error
[05:51] <bzbb> the via is card 0
[05:51] <bzbb> the usb one uses oss
[05:51] <WeedVender> server error = ur IP is banned?
[05:51] <bzbb> and doesn't show up in aplay -l
[05:51] <drspin> crimsun: I think my USB thing is for the lkml -- I've had the same problem on 2.4 & 2.6 kernels on 3 different distros...
[05:52] <drspin> but i'm scared :/
[05:52] <drspin> LOL
[05:52] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, hmm
[05:52] <crimsun> drspin: it has plagued me for ages on 2.6, but it works fine under 2.4.18
[05:52] <crimsun> (Woody kernel)
[05:52] <drspin> crimsun: not for me unfortunately :/
[05:53] <bzbb> ok
[05:53] <bzbb> If i tell xmms to use alsa for output, it work
[05:53] <bzbb> s
[05:54] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, there's also this bug report: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1293
[05:54] <crimsun> bzbb: paste the output of `cat /proc/asound/cards' onto pastebin.com
[05:54] <WeedVender> magical, I can't help yu
[05:54] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, but you have one alsa device and an oss device
[05:54] <WeedVender> you*
[05:54] <WeedVender> nothing comes up but longshots
[05:55] <bzbb> right
[05:55] <bzbb> and the oss device don't work
[05:55] <bzbb> in xmms
[05:55] <bzbb> but the alsa one does
[05:56] <MajesticTreeFrog> can everyone else log into the ubuntulinux website ok?
[05:57] <crimsun> MajesticTreeFrog: I just logged in ok.
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> wtf
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> could someone do me the favor of making a new account, and seeing if that will log in on their computer?
[05:57] <WeedVender> I need to make an account anyway
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> maybe new accounts aren't working
[05:57] <WeedVender> whats the site?
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> ok, thanks
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> ubuntulinux.org
[06:00] <crimsun> bzbb: did you paste as I requested?
[06:00] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, do you have multiple dsp entries in /dev?
[06:00] <bzbb> sorry, my brother's alarm went off
[06:01] <WeedVender> ehh
[06:01] <WeedVender> Majestic
[06:01] <WeedVender> I think the server hates you
[06:01] <stuNNed> fscking hell lol
[06:02] <stuNNed> fscking 2nd gen dell dj won't work for crapola
[06:02] <stuNNed> w/ubuntu unstable
[06:02] <bzbb> zerokarmaleft, no
[06:03] <bzbb> crimsun, I only have the via card in there
[06:04] <bzbb> crimsun, I pasted it in
[06:04] <crimsun> bzbb: ok. Would you also paste `lsmod' there?
[06:05] <rituraj> does anyone have experience with cvsup here?
[06:05] <rituraj> i changed the cvs mode from rsync to checkout
[06:05] <rituraj> and it took a very loooooong time
[06:05] <bzbb> ok
[06:06] <rituraj> will it take the same time in subsequent updates or only its for the first time
[06:06] <bzbb> if I can't use the USB audio, I can assemble a cableing workaround
[06:06] <crimsun> rituraj: the first time always takes a while.
[06:06] <crimsun> rituraj: and you should leave it at its default setting.
[06:07] <rituraj> well i dont know whats the default setting...:) i joined this company when cvsup was already setup
[06:07] <rituraj> but the rsync method used was giving some probs since last week
[06:08] <rituraj> i found the "tag=." commented out in supfile
[06:08] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, think reordering the module loading will work?
[06:08] <rituraj> i uncommented that and the errors are gone in checkout mode
[06:08] <bzbb> crimsun, its pasted
[06:08] <crimsun> bzbb: you need to blacklist 'audio'
[06:08] <bzbb> how do I do that?
[06:09] <Danko123456> hi, Guys...What other program than archive manager can I use for unpacking .rar files, preferably a text line program?
[06:09] <Danko123456> command line...
[06:09] <bur[n] er> unrar e blah.rar
[06:09] <crimsun> bzbb: theoretically it should just work. Did you load 'audio.ko' manually?
[06:09] <Danko123456> e hey?
[06:09] <bzbb> no
[06:09] <bur[n] er> or just unrar blah.rar (if you have free unrar)
[06:10] <crimsun> bzbb: echo audio | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:11] <bzbb> ok
[06:11] <bzbb> do I have to restart any daemons?
[06:11] <crimsun> nope
[06:11] <Danko123456> I dont have either
[06:11] <crimsun> but you do have to `sudo modprobe -r audio'
[06:11] <Danko123456> Get it from Package thing?
[06:12] <bzbb> crimsun, module audio is in use
[06:13] <crimsun> bzbb: exit gnome and then remove it
[06:13] <bzbb> ok
[06:13] <Danko123456> bur[n] er:its not working, I do not have either program installed, can I apt-get install unrar?
[06:13] <Danko123456> or whatever the right syntax is...
[06:13] <Danko123456> :)
[06:13] <socomm> crimsun: Can't you just kill esd?
[06:13] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, what does the audio module correspond to?
[06:14] <crimsun> Danko123456: enable the 'multiverse' repo and install 'rar'
[06:14] <bur[n] er> Danko123456: try it ;)
[06:14] <crimsun> Danko123456: then you can use `rar e foo.rar'
[06:14] <bur[n] er> if you can't... apt-cache search rar
[06:15] <Danko123456> foo:)
[06:15] <Danko123456> thanks...
[06:15] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: it's the oss/free usb audio driver
[06:15] <crimsun> [which obviously conflicts with snd-usb-audio]
[06:16] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, ah
[06:16] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, so it's getting loaded before snd_usb_audio and it can't grab the device
[06:17] <Danko123456>  crimsun: Danko123456: enable the 'multiverse' repo and install 'rar',   How?
[06:17] <Danko123456> the multiverse part...
[06:18] <crimsun> Danko123456: in Synaptic, enable the multiverse repo, then Update
[06:18] <bzbb> audio has been removed
[06:18] <Danko123456> I have all checked...
[06:18] <bzbb> same problem
[06:18] <Danko123456> Byut none say multiverse...
[06:18] <crimsun> bzbb: what was the original problem?
[06:19] <crimsun> Danko123456: you need to enable that Repository
[06:19] <Danko123456> Well yeah, I get it...
[06:19] <Danko123456> But how is my q...
[06:19] <bzbb> when I try to play audio in rhythm box it says: Could not open resource for writing
[06:19] <bzbb> using xmms, if I tell it to use alsa, it works fine with the via
[06:20] <bzbb> if I tell it to use xmms, I cannot select the usb, and it won't work with the via
[06:20] <gobeavs> hi
[06:20] <crimsun> Danko123456: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[06:20] <Danko123456> I go settings>repositories>and they aer all checked...
[06:20] <Danko123456> thanks..
[06:20] <gobeavs> anyone here using the AMD64 version?
[06:21] <crimsun> bzbb: lsmod|grep ^audio
[06:21] <Danko123456> Thanks a lot...
[06:21] <bzbb> crimsun, no returns
[06:22] <crimsun> bzbb: try `sudo modprobe -r snd-usb-audio && sudo modprobe snd-usb-audio'
[06:22] <gobeavs> If I'm on the AMD64 version, will apt/synaptic only look in the AMD64 parts of repositories?
[06:22] <bzbb> crimsun, that worked
[06:22] <bzbb> but still no audio
[06:22] <gobeavs> when looking in Debian repositories it tries to do that
[06:23] <crimsun> bzbb: now does /proc/asound/cards show 2 cards?
[06:23] <bzbb> ah, but wait
[06:23] <bzbb> yes!
[06:23] <crimsun> bzbb: good.
[06:24] <Danko123456> :)
[06:24] <bzbb> and xmms can play through the usb card
[06:25] <crimsun> good
[06:25] <bzbb> if I tell it to use it
[06:25] <phyberoptix> how do i start a ssh daemon?
[06:25] <dcstimm> why the hell would ubuntu not have a smp kernel option on the livecd, gezz I thought it was nicely optimized... hell it doesnt even reconize my hyper threading!
[06:25] <bzbb> music player still won't work
[06:26] <crimsun> bzbb: I believe Music Player [Rhythmbox]  by default uses esd as its sink
[06:26] <bzbb> ah
[06:26] <somebody_> what is the best video/DVD player for ubuntu?
[06:27] <crimsun> somebody_: that's subjective
[06:27] <dcstimm> somebody_, mplayer, xine, ogle
[06:27] <crimsun> or 'vlc'
[06:27] <dcstimm> somebody_, vlc
[06:27] <dcstimm> crimsun, beat you to it
[06:27] <bzbb> crimsun, and esd isn't running
[06:27] <crimsun> dcstimm: that's great :)
[06:27] <JDahl> crimsun, no it's not... mplayer is the best... and emacs is better than vim
[06:27] <dcstimm> ;)
[06:27] <somebody_> i c
[06:28] <crimsun> JDahl: I follow you up til em^H^HI won't utter such blasphemy
[06:28] <bzbb> JDahl, Xemacs!
[06:28] <gobeavs> how do I get mplayer on the AMD64 version?
[06:28] <gobeavs> when looking in Deb repositories it only looks in AMD64 folders
[06:28] <crimsun> re grepper
[06:29] <grepper> found out how to get my camera to automount
[06:29] <grepper> it was simple after all - I left out something hal'ish in kernel config
[06:29] <crimsun> bzbb: ok, then you can use gstreamer-properties to set the sink (default output) to ALSA
[06:29] <bzbb> crimsun, if I try to start esd, it says /dev/dsp no such file or directory
[06:29] <bzbb> ok
[06:29] <bzbb> that works
[06:29] <nugget232> is there a way to disable the startup information when ubuntu boots?
[06:30] <grepper> now what that is I haven't looked into yet, but it works fine under ubuntu's stock kernel
[06:30] <crimsun> nugget232: what sort of startup info?
[06:30] <nugget232> the hardware detection and services info
[06:30] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[06:30] <crimsun> nugget232: not yet.
[06:30] <nugget232> is this something that might be implementeD?
[06:30] <nugget232> *implemented
[06:30] <nugget232> is there an email I can send feedback to?
[06:30] <grepper> anyone know offhand what I could have left out ?
[06:31] <crimsun> nugget232: search for usplash on the wiki
[06:31] <nugget232> thanks :)
[06:31] <bzbb> crimsun, that only outputs through the VIA
[06:32] <dcstimm> will SMP be enabled in the next version of the livecd?
[06:32] <bzbb> what would be perfect would be all sounds being played through both soundcards
[06:32] <fabbione> dcstimm: unlikely
[06:32] <dcstimm> fabbione, why not?
[06:32] <crimsun> bzbb: I don't have the gstreamer-properties settings dialog here in front of me (I'm at work), but is there a place to choose which ALSA device?
[06:32] <crimsun> moin fabbione
[06:32] <bzbb> no
[06:32] <fabbione> because SMP doesn't always work on UP machines
[06:32] <dcstimm> fabbione, it should detect it
[06:33] <fabbione> it would reduce compatibility
[06:33] <dcstimm> fabbione, it should boot the kernel it needs, or give me the option
[06:33] <bzbb> it just lets me pick alsa, esd, arts or oss
[06:33] <dcstimm> fabbione, how so?
[06:33] <fabbione> dcstimm: an option would be more appropriate. It is impossible for the bootloader to detect SMP/UP
[06:34] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, not sure but i think JACK lets you do synchronous output
[06:34] <bzbb> JACK?
[06:34] <fabbione> dcstimm: because not all the hardware is designed with proper specifications
[06:34] <dcstimm> fabbione, true
[06:34] <dcstimm> fabbione, it should still have it
[06:34] <dcstimm> the option
[06:34] <fabbione> dcstimm: you should file a wishlist bug against the live cd
[06:35] <fabbione> dcstimm: but the only problem i see in the operation is space wise
[06:35] <fabbione> since the CD is already pretty full afaik
[06:35] <crimsun> bzbb: hmm, so gstreamer-properties limits you to the first card by default then
[06:35] <bzbb> yeah
[06:36] <crimsun> bzbb: there is a way, but you'll need to create an ~/.asoundrc
[06:36] <gobeavs> nobody knows about the AMD64 repositories?
[06:36] <bzbb> crimsun, as long as I can use emacs
[06:37] <phyberoptix> when i try running a ssh server it fails
[06:37] <crimsun> phyberoptix: the 'openssh-server' package?
[06:37] <phyberoptix> yup
[06:37] <crimsun> what does it fail on?
[06:38] <phyberoptix>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                               [fail]
[06:38] <crimsun> bzbb: /join #alsa
[06:38] <phyberoptix> starting
[06:38] <bzbb> crimsun, thanks
[06:40] <Danko123456> Can you run .chm files in ubuntu?
[06:40] <murtaza> i want to restart samba in ubuntu...any idea
[06:41] <scoon> murtaza, sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:41] <murtaza> scoon, thnks
[06:42] <scoon> murtaza, np.
[06:42] <Danko123456> Can you view .chm files in Linux?
[06:42] <Adrenal> what app can play internet radio streams designed for rm or wmp?
[06:42] <odyssey> hi im having a problem when trying to install developement packages with synaptic, it says it just fail due to unresolvable dependencies.. whats up with the dev packages?
[06:42] <murtaza> scoon, actualy i m using samba and ubuntu first time....
[06:43] <murtaza> scoon, any tip for using them
[06:43] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[06:44] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, http://www.kamasoftware.com/download.php
[06:44] <scoon> murtaza, not really.  there is plenty of info from the ubuntu forums site about samba
[06:45] <gobeavs> I installed the AMD64 version...is there an easy way to get to the i386 version? Reinstall the kernel?
[06:45] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, crappy license tho
[06:46] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, http://xchm.sourceforge.net is worth a look
[06:47] <Danko123456> thanks.
[06:48] <Danko123456> The help viewer on the first link?
[06:48] <Danko123456> So which one do I go with, zerokarmaleft?
[06:48] <zerokarmaleft> xchm is probably better
[06:49] <Danko123456> It sounds nicer
[06:49] <Danko123456> So go with that?
[06:49] <zerokarmaleft> haven't tried either, but i've got a lot of chms laying around
[06:49] <Danko123456> whats the licence thing do you know?
[06:49] <zerokarmaleft> i'm going to try out xchm myself rightt now
[06:49] <Danko123456> cool
[06:50] <Danko123456> Theres one in synaptic,.
[06:51] <Danko123456> I I prefer that way, its easier for now...
[06:51] <zerokarmaleft> gtk1.2 dependencies tho :/
[06:51] <zerokarmaleft> works great
[06:52] <Danko123456> Yeah, works..
[06:52] <Danko123456> cool thanks.
[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> I went to commit in CVS
[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> and now I'm in this log thing.
[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> I typed up my log... but how do I get out?
[06:54] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, if you build from source you can configure to use GTK2 widgets
[06:54] <Danko123456> I dont know what the gtk thing even is...
[06:54] <Danko123456> Hey do you ever use gcj?
[06:54] <odyssey> why cant i install libglib2.0-dev? it says there are unresolvable dependencies?
[06:55] <JayeAeotiv> anyone know about the cvs?
[06:55] <grepper> anyone have an idea what I am missing in kernel that automounting of usb storage doesn't work ?  I can mount manually ok.
[06:55] <grepper> and it works in ubuntu kernel
[06:56] <Danko123456> GnomeToolKit2?
[06:56] <Danko123456> is it?
[06:57] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, GTK = GIMP Toolkit
[06:58] <theora> I have just installed ubuntu linux 4.1 and was a wonderful experience. But now i can't boot into winXP. pls help me
[06:58] <Danko123456> So whats it do, you dont have to answer if you dont ahve time...
[06:58] <Danko123456> I probably dont need it since I dont use ut...
[06:58] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[06:59] <bzbb> ok, I have a radeon 9000, and the highest res the screen resolution tool lets me pick is 1024X768
[06:59] <dcstimm> bzbb, modify your xorg.conf
[06:59] <bzbb> ok
[07:00] <bzbb> is there a nice gui tool?
[07:00] <zenrox> nope
[07:00] <bzbb> oh, boy
[07:00] <dcstimm> why? nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:00] <zenrox> or sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[07:00] <dcstimm> bzbb, you should learn it if your using a distro like ubuntu
[07:01] <bzbb> dcstimm, I have bad memories of editing test files from my debian 2.2 days
[07:01] <zenrox> dcstimm,  pico is easer for command line editing
[07:01] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, GNOME 2 is based off of GTK 2, GTK 2 offers themable widgets, among a bunch of other things...in ubuntu a GTK 2 app will look more like everything else relative to GTK 1
[07:01] <dcstimm> zenrox, who wants a xorg.conf~ file in their dir after they are done using gedit?
[07:01] <dcstimm> zenrox, nano -w is nicer
[07:01] <zenrox> dcstimm,  it makes it easy to fix if you brek it
[07:02] <dcstimm> zenrox, well you should think before you type;)
[07:02] <bzbb> said file is empty
[07:02] <odyssey> ok im really stuck now, i dont get what this means. Please help "libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.6.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[07:02] <Danko123456> Great, so you mean the gray look of MacOS9 will go away?
[07:02] <dcstimm> bzbb, well make sure its there first
[07:02] <Danko123456> zerokarmaleft:Great, so you mean the gray look of MacOS9 will go away?
[07:02] <MagicFab> Hello everyone
[07:02] <Danko123456> HI
[07:03] <dcstimm> bzbb, it might be /etc/X11/XF86Config
[07:03] <MagicFab> I'd like to get my processor's temperature
[07:03] <MagicFab> but cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/* returns 0 degrees!
[07:03] <Danko123456> Anyhow, I would really like to know if anyone knows how to fix up my gcj...
[07:03] <bzbb> the entire x11 directory appears to be non-existant
[07:03] <MagicFab> it's certainly hot - how can I get a good reading / activate ACPI's ?
[07:03] <dcstimm> bzbb, its X not x
[07:04] <bzbb> dcstimm, argh
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> hi
[07:06] <Danko123456> hi
[07:06] <Danko123456> :)
[07:06] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, yes...
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> Danko123456: hiya
[07:06] <dcstimm> bzbb, did you figure it out?
[07:06] <odyssey> MagicFab, cd /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/
[07:06] <odyssey> and change up to the next dir and you should see some files
[07:07] <bzbb> dcstimm, I think so
[07:07] <dcstimm> good night all
[07:07] <odyssey> MagicFab, like temperature
[07:08] <MagicFab> odyssey: I'm there, precisely temperature is reporting 0 C !
[07:08] <MagicFab> weird
[07:09] <Danko123456>  zerokarmaleft: COol I understood
[07:09] <Danko123456> ANyone know hwo to make the gcj work?
[07:10] <AndyFitz> just apt-get upgraded evolution for hoary.  its stopped loading  :-/
[07:11] <scoon> Danko123456, http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/bin/view/Main/NativeBinaries
[07:12] <enanos> Hola
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> how do i updtae a single software using apt-get ?
[07:12] <enanos> nadie habla espaol
[07:13] <crimsun> AndyFitz: how recently?
[07:13] <scoon> da_bon_bon, check out man apt-get
[07:13] <howard> can someone teach me how to edit menu.lst to see windows if the windows is in a different partition?
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> scoon: ok.
[07:13] <crimsun> AndyFitz: Hoary _just_ got new evo packages a couple hours ago
[07:13] <AndyFitz> crimsun:  I update thrice daily and it was working this morning / lunchtime
[07:14] <AndyFitz> it would be from last update
[07:14] <AndyFitz> Just the usual error:  The Application "evolution" has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now.
[07:14] <MagicFab> enanos: claro
[07:14] <enanos> somebody knows to speak Spanish?
[07:14] <crimsun> enanos: #ubuntu-es
[07:15] <enanos> jijij
[07:15] <howard> can someone help me?
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> scoon: can u tell me directly? these man pages are hell.
[07:15] <crimsun> howard: it doesn't by default?
[07:15] <scoon> da_bon_bon, apt-get -h
[07:15] <enanos> en el foro de ubuntu-es.org publique una pregunta
[07:15] <howard> crimsun: nope
[07:15] <enanos> y nunca me respondieron
[07:15] <enanos> :'(
[07:16] <MagicFab> enanos: vamos a #ubuntu-es
[07:16] <enanos> yapis
[07:16] <enanos> weno
[07:16] <howard> crimsun: I have it on the same hard disk, but in different partition
[07:16] <Jarot> hello people
[07:16] <AndyFitz> g'day jarot
[07:16] <howard> crimsun: where can I find my windows partition?
[07:17] <crimsun> howard: cfdisk /dev/hda
[07:17] <crimsun> howard: is it XP or 98?
[07:17] <howard> crimsun: XP
[07:17] <crimsun> so you'll look for the NTFS one
[07:17] <v7w> can ubuntu use the debian mirrors?
[07:18] <crimsun> v7w: for what reason?
[07:18] <v7w> to upgrade packages
[07:18] <MagicFab> jarot: hi
[07:18] <howard> crimsun: it said fatal error while opening drive when I typed that command
[07:18] <v7w> hey MagicFab
[07:19] <AndyFitz> anyone else getting this evo bug ?  I've restarted EDS etc
[07:19] <v7w> crimsun, to upgrade packages
[07:19] <MagicFab> v7w: which packages ? why would you do that..
[07:20] <crimsun> howard: do you have an IDE HD?
[07:20] <crimsun> v7w: for Warty or Hoary?
[07:21] <Jarot> MagicFab: hello
[07:21] <v7w> I maintain debian packages. However, I don't use ubuntu. Can an ubuntu user upgrade one of my packages?
[07:21] <MagicFab> v7w: short answer is you can - but real question should be "should I" :)
[07:21] <howard> crimsun: how do I check?
[07:21] <crimsun> v7w: what package?
[07:21] <crimsun> or packages?
[07:21] <MagicFab> v7w: I can't answer that
[07:21] <crimsun> some are pulled into universe directly
[07:21] <crimsun> some are recompiled before landing in main/universe
[07:22] <crimsun> (that should read "pulled into main/universe directly")
[07:22] <crimsun> v7w: there're a short and a long answer.
[07:22] <v7w> crimsun, pormap
[07:23] <crimsun> v7w: portmap in sid is synced major-wise with hoary
[07:23] <crimsun> 5-7ubuntu3 vs. 5-7
[07:24] <crimsun> v7w: the main difference is that ubuntu's listens on localhost only on upgrades from warty->hoary
[07:25] <v7w> crimsun, I've got the same functionality in debian portmap.
[07:25] <v7w> crimsun, portmap was just an example
[07:25] <crimsun> v7w: then it's safe.
[07:25] <crimsun> v7w: well, the short answer is "usually, but it's recommended to go with ubuntu's repo instead of debian's"
[07:26] <crimsun> v7w: the long answer is of course "with pinning, anything is possible, including massive breakage"
[07:26] <v7w> crimsun, that's fair enough
[07:26] <ujmob> I think I'm missing something, can you install with the live warty cd?
[07:27] <crimsun> ujmob: no
[07:27] <crimsun> it's not like Knoppix or Kanotix
[07:27] <ujmob> crimsun, okay, I didn't think you could
[07:30] <broodster> hey
[07:30] <broodster> what would to location of a second partition on my harddisc be?
[07:30] <broodster> 0,1?
[07:31] <ujmob> For what?
[07:32] <broodster> ?
[07:32] <broodster> i have 1 hard disk
[07:33] <ujmob> Okay, is this for grub?
[07:33] <broodster> and i need to figuir out where my 2nd partition is
[07:33] <broodster> yeah
[07:33] <crimsun> define "second"
[07:33] <crimsun> /dev/hda? ?
[07:33] <broodster> i dunno
[07:33] <broodster> how do i see
[07:33] <broodster> where my partitions are?
[07:34] <crimsun> is it mounted?
[07:34] <broodster> no
[07:34] <ujmob> broodster, what are you trying to do?
[07:34] <broodster> edit grub menu.lst
[07:34] <broodster> so i can get into windows
[07:35] <crimsun> broodster: grep lun0 /var/log/dmesg
[07:35] <broodster> i have windows installed on my second partition
[07:35] <broodster> crimsun what does that do?
[07:36] <ujmob> broodster, okay, ``(hd0,1)'' should correct
[07:36] <broodster> thx
[07:36] <ujmob> broodster, you can run ``fdisk -l /dev/hda'' to see the partitions on your drive
[07:36] <ujmob> broodster, if your drive is indeed hda
[07:36] <crimsun> broodster: it prints out what the kernel detected as your partition map
[07:37] <crimsun> broodster: for instance, for me it's: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 >
[07:37] <crimsun> my groot=(hd0,9) because my / is /dev/hda10
[07:39] <DonL> I had to do sudo first, ujmob. Maybe that would be a problem
[07:42] <broodster> /dev/hda1   *           1       52832    26627296+  83  Linux
[07:42] <broodster> /dev/hda2           52833      155040    51512832    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:42] <broodster> /dev/hda5           52833      155040    51512391    7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:43] <broodster> so my windows would be at 0,2?
[07:43] <crimsun> windows 95 or xp?
[07:43] <broodster> xp
[07:44] <crimsun> (hd0,4)
[07:44] <broodster> ty
[07:44] <broodster> loads
[07:44] <broodster> =P
[07:44] <ujmob> broodster, do you have two drives in Windows?
[07:45] <broodster> no
[07:45] <crimsun> he has one.
[07:45] <broodster> just 1
[07:45] <crimsun> he has two primary partitions
[07:45] <crimsun> the first is his Ubuntu, the second is an extended partition. Within the extended partition is a logical NTFS partition for his XP install.
[07:46] <broodster> hmmm
[07:46] <broodster> still didn't work...
[07:46] <DonL> This is the stuff I want to learn
[07:47] <crimsun> DonL: traditional DOS-based layouts have a limitation of 4 primary partitions
[07:47] <jmob|> Wouldn't it be (hd0,2) even though it's an extend partition?
[07:47] <DonL> ..so partition 5 must be a continuance of another one
[07:48] <crimsun> (hd0,1) is the marker for his extended partition
[07:48] <DonL> ..perhaps 2
[07:48] <crimsun> [because it's /dev/hda2]
[07:48] <crimsun> indices begin from 0
[07:48] <jmob|> crimsun, yeah, I'm saying (hd0,2) for /dev/hda3
[07:48] <jmob|> s/3/5/
[07:49] <crimsun> jmob|: depends on how it was partitioned. I see no mention of a swap partition, for instance.
[07:49] <DonL> So the first is always 0, the second 1 etc
[07:50] <crimsun> jmob|: there's always a gap of 2 between a primary and a logical inside an extended.
[07:50] <broodster> but however if u looked at it
[07:50] <broodster> it's hda1
[07:50] <broodster> not hda
[07:50] <broodster> hda would be 0,0 in my brain
[07:50] <broodster> however linux is hda1
[07:50] <broodster> and windows is hda2
[07:50] <broodster> thus it should be 0,2 =]  right?
[07:51] <jmob|> broodster, start up grub with ``grub --read-only''
[07:51] <crimsun> 0,2 would be /dev/hda3
[07:51] <crimsun> do you see a /dev/hda3 listed?
[07:51] <xhypno> Hello All!
[07:51] <Danko123456> Yeeey
[07:51] <xhypno> Has anyone used the standard Debian repositories with Ubuntu?
[07:51] <Danko123456> I got it to work, the gcj that is...
[07:52] <jmob|> broodster, type ``root (hd0,'' then press tab
[07:52] <crimsun> xhypno: I still do.
[07:52] <xhypno> What lines did you add to the sources.list file?
[07:52] <broodster> jmbo| in terminal?
[07:53] <crimsun> xhypno: I added warty originally, then hoary after I removed warty.  Have you tried Woody or Sarge with Ubuntu
[07:54] <jmob|> broodster, then type ``root (hd0,'' and press tab, that'll give you a list of how grub thinks your partitions are numbered
[07:54] <crimsun> xhypno: neither of those really work, because you'll basically end up dist-upgrading to Warty/Hoary when you install whatever packages are dependencies
[07:54] <bzbb> ahh
[07:55] <crimsun> xhypno: but theoretically, yes, both of those would work with warty/hoary
[07:55] <DonL> I feel fortunate that I don't have to have Windows running on this machine. No problems that way
[07:55] <MagicFab> Trying again - looking for someone who'd help me get accurate CPU temp readings...
[07:56] <xhypno> Is Hoary stable enough to use day to day?
[07:56] <crimsun> xhypno: depends. =)
[07:56] <crimsun> xhypno: Warty definitely is.
[07:56] <crimsun> xhypno: Hoary bleeds even more profusely than Sid.
[07:56] <DonL> xhypno, I think I'll wait, but then I'm careful
[07:57] <xhypno> I added deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
[07:57] <jmob> broodster: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X9g9iW93.html
[07:57] <xhypno> to the sources file
[07:57] <jmob> broodster: do you have an entry like that?
[07:57] <xhypno> I am just trying to make sure I won't cause instabilities
[07:57] <crimsun> xhypno: make sure you pin to your ubuntu flavour, then.
[07:57] <crimsun> xhypno: um
[07:57] <crimsun> xhypno: "stable"? Woody? ...why?
[07:57] <jmob> xhypno: probably want sarge or sid
[07:58] <broodster> hmmm
[07:58] <crimsun> xhypno: you gain nothing substantial by adding woody repo
[07:58] <xhypno> More software
[07:58] <xhypno> Woody has been around for 3 years now
[07:58] <crimsun> you're better off following jmob's suggestion.
[07:59] <broodster> grub> root (hd0,
[07:59] <broodster> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[07:59] <jmob> broodster: take off the ``0,'' part
[08:00] <broodster> grub> root (hd
[08:00] <broodster> doesnt doanything
[08:00] <jmob> broodster: seems like you don't have any hard disks
[08:01] <broodster> ...
[08:01] <jmob> ;) I'm lost now
[08:01] <DonL> I'm a newbie to debian, but I notice they've put devices in "media" now. Does that help?
[08:01] <jmob> DonL: help what?
[08:01] <DonL> Find lost devices?
[08:01] <crimsun> DonL: LSB compliance.
[08:02] <broodster> jmob
[08:02] <broodster> it doesnt do anything
[08:02] <broodster> seriously
[08:02] <jmob> broodster: I don't know what's up then, grub might be having problems probing stuff
[08:02] <murtaza> newbie to linux and ubuntu....i want acces windows 2000 server domain...any idea
[08:02] <broodster> i know it doesnt work because
[08:02] <broodster> i tried it
[08:03] <broodster> any my friend tried it
[08:03] <jmob> DonL: depends on how /media is managed, it can be managed manually or with a program that automatically finds devices and mount points
[08:03] <DonL> Ok.I had to figure that one out after coming from an RPM distro
[08:03] <jmob> s/and/and makes/
[08:03] <crimsun> murtaza: using AD/
[08:03] <crimsun> murtaza: ?
[08:03] <broodster> /dev/hda2           52833      155040    51512832    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[08:04] <murtaza> crimsun, ya active directory
[08:04] <broodster> where is that
[08:04] <crimsun> murtaza: there is some basic advice here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[08:04] <xhypno> Anyone know how to install ICA mode in the Terminal Server Client?
[08:05] <murtaza> crimsun, should i have to configure samba server as well
[08:05] <jmob> broodster: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X9g9iW93.html <-- is your grub entry like that?
[08:05] <crimsun> murtaza: if you want your ubuntu machine to server to windows 2000 machines, yes; otherwise, no.
[08:05] <crimsun> argh
[08:06] <crimsun> to serve^ to windows 2000...
[08:06] <broodster> yes
[08:06] <murtaza> crimsun, no my machine will be client to windowss server
[08:06] <jmob> DonL: http://www.linuxbase.org
[08:06] <DonL> Thanks, jmob
[08:07] <crimsun> DonL: see what I typed above? ;)
[08:07] <broodster> jmob yes
[08:07] <rolfzor> does anyone know how I should format my creative muvo? I tried formatting it as vfat, but whenever I start it it says "File system error"
[08:07] <jmob> broodster: I'm not sure what's up then
[08:08] <jmob> broodster: try booting a LiveCD and seeing if that helps grub find your hard drives
[08:08] <xhypno> Anyone know how to install ICA mode in the Terminal Server Client?
[08:08] <jmob> broodster: also, why don't you have a swap partition?
[08:08] <DonL> crimsun, about Murtaza?
[08:08] <murtaza> crimsun, i want to access shared folders in windowz server....
[08:09] <broodster> i do
[08:09] <broodster> i think
[08:09] <crimsun> DonL: no, about LSB compliance in response to your question about /media
[08:09] <jmob> broodster: not according to fdisk, you said you only had one hd right?
[08:09] <DonL> I'll find it crimsun
[08:10] <broodster> i dunno
[08:10] <broodster> its my friends
[08:10] <broodster> and he can't get windows to load whatsoever
[08:10] <jmob> broodster: how is it not working? i.e. how is it failing?
[08:10] <broodster> so i'm helping him
[08:10] <broodster> i told him to load it as 0,1
[08:10] <broodster> and it says
[08:10] <broodster> invalid device requested
[08:11] <broodster> filesystem type unkown
[08:11] <broodster> partion type 0xf make active
[08:11] <crimsun> what are you trying to do?
[08:11] <DonL> DonL: LSB compliance. crimsun, that's all I can find
[08:11] <broodster> load windows
[08:11] <crimsun> DonL: that's all :)
[08:12] <DonL> okay
[08:12] <crimsun> DonL: which leads to the url jmob pasted.
[08:12] <jmob> broodster: you can mess with grub interactively when you first boot up
[08:12] <DonL> ..which is something I downloaded and saves. I will check it out now
[08:12] <broodster> like
[08:12] <broodster> when i first install linux?
[08:13] <crimsun> broodster: when you first boot linux
[08:13] <jmob> broodster: no, when the computer boots up
[08:13] <DonL> Got some reading to do. Night all
[08:13] <crimsun> cya DonL
[08:13] <broodster> well how do you boot windows
[08:13] <broodster> that's all i want to know
[08:13] <crimsun> did you tell it root (hd0,4) ?
[08:15] <crimsun> broodster: tried reading http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/ ?
[08:16] <crimsun> bbl
[08:21] <murtaza> crimsun, i have tried to connect to windowz server..but it is not prompting me to apply any credentials
[08:23] <murtaza> crimsun, instead it gives me error that u folder can be access
[08:25] <murtaza> any one can help me resolving the problem i mention above to crimsun
[08:28] <jmob> murtaza: if you just want to connect to a windows server, I'd suggest looking up some documentation on samba in general
[08:30] <broodster> where is my linux.bin???
[08:31] <murtaza> jmob, i have red the ocumentation but it is not working
[08:33] <jmob> murtaza: without of what you've tried and how it's not working most people here are going to have a trouble helping
[08:33] <jmob> s/without/without a description/
[08:34] <broodster> where is my linux.bin???
[08:34] <jmob> broodster: you don't have one
[08:34] <stuNNed> http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/samba.html murtaza
[08:34] <murtaza> jmob, OK tell me the mount command
[08:35] <jmob> murtaza: I can't remember off the top of my head, I usually just look it up
[08:35] <jmob> murtaza: or do ``man mount''
[08:35] <murtaza> jmob, mount -o user=username,password=password //myserver/myfolder /home/path
[08:36] <jmob> murtaza: what's the error message?
[08:39] <murtaza> jmob, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //server/datashare,
[08:39] <murtaza>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:40] <stuNNed> murtaza, you need to specify type
[08:41] <jmob> murtaza: try adding ``-t smbfs''
[08:41] <murtaza> jmob, no i got it. i dont have smbfs installed
[08:41] <jmob> murtaza: yay
[08:41] <stuNNed> and -o is option, you need to specify an option or leave it out.
[08:42] <murtaza> jmob, i am getting it installed now..
[09:16] <Synek> hi
[09:29] <Danko123456> hi
[09:29] <Danko123456> :)
[09:31] <alka_trash> good evening ubuntu peeps
[09:31] <Danko123456> good morning.,
[09:31] <Danko123456> :)
[09:33] <CaPS_> G'morning
[09:33] <Danko123456> hi
[09:33] <Danko123456> :)
[09:39] <CaPS_> I noticed Warty comes with PHP 4.3.8. Is there any way to see if it was patched against the recent PHP vulnerabilities?
[09:40] <crimsun> CaPS_: check the changelog.Debian.gz
[09:40] <Lathiat> CaPS_: If you update with ubuntu security, odds are it is
[09:40] <Lathiat> CaPS_: but if your not using ubuntu security, then it wont be until you do since warty was released before they came out
[09:41] <Lathiat> CaPS_: just like any other security problem, and you can check changelog.Deian.gz as crimsun said to verify
[09:41] <CaPS_> I've installed php4.3.8 after the base install.. Would it've installed possible security updates with that?
[09:42] <CaPS_> Also, how do I check for updates without actually installing anything just yet? (like 'emerge -pv $packagename' in gentoo)
[09:43] <CaPS_> (and where is this changelog.gz? I thought it'd be in /usr/share/php/ .. but there's no such directory :| )
[09:43] <crimsun> CaPS_: the 'php4' package for warty?
[09:43] <CaPS_> woah, buncha questions :)
[09:43] <CaPS_> crimsun, both php4 and the mod_php4 package for apache2
[09:43] <crimsun> CaPS_: because the php4 package is in warty/universe, it does not receive support
[09:44] <crimsun> CaPS_: thus, no security updates
[09:44] <CaPS_> the php4 package is the cgi/cli binary I suppose
[09:44] <CaPS_> that's ok, that's not being remotely called
[09:44] <crimsun> CaPS_: /usr/share/doc/php4/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:45] <CaPS_> last update in august
[09:45] <CaPS_> eep
[09:45] <crimsun> CaPS_: on the other hand, mod_php4 (package name 'libapache2-mod-php4') does receive support because it's in warty/main
[09:46] <crimsun> CaPS_: version 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.1 from warty-security/main is the latest
[09:46] <CaPS_> got that
[09:46] <crimsun> CaPS_: you can check /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:46] <CaPS_> I'm also seeing CAN- references describing the issues in that changelog, so it's patched :)
[09:46] <crimsun> indeed.
[09:47] <crimsun> remember you can verify this yourself with `apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php4'
[09:47] <crimsun> that will show you that the latest package is in 'warty-security/main'
[09:48] <CaPS_> 'Candidate' field being the latest version available?
[09:48] <Lathiat> CaPS_: no, thats Installed:
[09:48] <crimsun> CaPS_: generally, yes
[09:48] <CaPS_> I mean available from the repository
[09:48] <Lathiat> oh
[09:48] <Lathiat> wait
[09:48] <Lathiat> i misread that
[09:48] <Lathiat> i suck
[09:48] <CaPS_> awww
[09:48] <crimsun> CaPS_: they're listed in descending availability
[09:48] <Lathiat> your right ;p
[09:49] <CaPS_> crimsun, great, thanks.
[09:49] <muempf> hello
[09:49] <crimsun> np
[09:49] <crimsun> 'lo
[09:50] <CaPS_> one last question for now.. can I generate an overview of all packages that are candidate for upgrading? (security fixes)
[09:50] <muempf> could someone help me with a x-server problem
[09:50] <crimsun> CaPS_: yes; the presentation will differ for whichever apt frontend you use
[09:51] <crimsun> CaPS_: for instance, Synaptic will show you a list of available updates, as will apt-get, aptitude, dselect, ...
[09:51] <crimsun> the -u flag to apt-get is what is useful for me
[09:52] <glob> bye ^^
[09:53] <CaPS_> crimsun, Synaptic seems to have a filter "Installed (upgradeable) which does exactly what I want :)
[09:53] <Danko123456> bye
[09:53] <glob> ehm..there's anyone that know how to clear the Ram when linux reboot ?
[09:55] <CaPS_> glob, I assume that memory is cleared when the machine actually reboots. It looses it's data when the power is taken off (even for a brief moment)
[09:55] <glob> CaPS_ the problem is that when i reboot from linux WindowsXp Crash in loading .. and if i Shutdown (so the ram is totally cancelled) Windows go perfect
[09:56] <glob> CaPS_ maybe i'm not alone with this problem http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/r1029856919
[09:57] <CaPS_> glob, that page describes RAM at fault.
[09:57] <crimsun> glob: that's not a Linux issue but a hardware issue
[09:57] <crimsun> it's a combination of a bad motherboard and bad memory
[09:57] <crimsun> there's no workaround except to cold boot each time
[09:58] <glob> crimsun but i haven't change the ram...
[09:58] <CaPS_> Wouldn't replacing the RAM help ?
[09:58] <glob> crimsun i haven't any ram ... (is sdram pc100) .. i must wait 8 Gen to change it
[09:58] <crimsun> yes, replacing the RAM and/or the motherboard would completely resolve the problem, but there is no workaround.
[09:59] <glob> crimsun cold boot ? what you mean ?
[09:59] <crimsun> glob: power down, power up
[09:59] <glob> crimsun oh right ^_^
[09:59] <CaPS_> although, I remember some kind of patch to the linux kernel that'd block out the faulty regions of memory.. it wouldn't be actually used or something.  Wow !
[10:06] <glob> ok..test is started...
[10:07] <CaPS_> Is there a setting for the gnome panel (taskbar) that'll let me close a group of tasks when they're grouped together? Like 4 filemanager windows?
[10:07] <crimsun> you can close groups of Nautilus windows
[10:07] <crimsun> you'll see the option in the File menu
[10:07] <abelli> buon giorno
[10:08] <CaPS_> I'm used to RMB on the grouped tasks and hit close
[10:08] <crimsun> hola
[10:08] <abelli> crimsun: italian... not spanish.... ;)
[10:08] <abelli> crimsun: italiano style.
[10:08] <crimsun> abelli: I only speak English ;)
[10:08] <CaPS_> crimsun, I'm not talking about closing individual windows, but rather all windows within the grouped ... thingy :P
[10:08] <glob> ciao abelli .. anche te italiano eh !? ^_^
[10:08] <crimsun> about the only thing I know is "ciao"
[10:09] <abelli> crimsun: well next time you can go "buon giorno principessa"
[10:09] <CaPS_> I seem to remember 'gracie' and 'biera' ;P
[10:09] <crimsun> abelli: grazi (?)
[10:09] <glob> grazie
[10:09] <CaPS_> hah
[10:09] <abelli> CaPS_: "grazie birra
[10:09] <glob> i'm italian ^^
[10:09] <crimsun> 'k
[10:10] <CaPS_> meh I've only been to Riccione for a week and that was years ago, I get to misspell :)
[10:10] <abelli> crimsun: do you have an idea how to use the administrative-part of cups
[10:10] <crimsun> abelli: unfortunately I do not
[10:10] <abelli> crimsun: who should i ask to?
[10:10] <CaPS_> abelli, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631
[10:11] <CaPS_> should be -sorta- straightforward
[10:11] <abelli> CaPS_: the problem is i cannot acces the administrative area
[10:11] <CaPS_> although I cannot believe they haven't changed that layout still
[10:11] <CaPS_> abelli, what message are you getting
[10:11] <CaPS_> ?
[10:11] <abelli> CaPS_: it asks for a pwd [root, i suppose]  i dont have..
[10:11] <CaPS_> ahhh
[10:12] <abelli> abelli: is it a matter of rewriting some code or just configuration?
[10:12] <CaPS_> have you tried your 'main' user password?
[10:12] <CaPS_> It's in the lpadmin group so I'd assume...
[10:12] <cartman> hey all
[10:13] <abelli> CaPS_: well it's a friend's problem... but yeah, i supposed he tried it..
[10:13] <abelli> abelli: im sure it works if you activate root account during install
[10:13] <cartman> I am currently a debian user. Wonder if I install warty and add "unstable" keyword to my sources.list can I upgrade to ubuntu unstable (whatever codename is)
[10:13] <cartman> ?
[10:13] <abelli> cartman: use hoary
[10:14] <cartman> abelli: so hoary is the unstable ?
[10:14] <abelli> cartman: ...sorry "hoary", it's ubuntu unstable-codename
[10:14] <cartman> okies
[10:14] <crimsun> cartman: keep in mind quite a bit of stuff is broken atm
[10:14] <cartman> abelli: also I can choose not to install gnome right?
[10:14] <cartman> crimsun: any list of whats currently borked?
[10:14] <abelli> abelli: yep.. but it's the only de supported
[10:15] <cartman> abelli: its ok.
[10:15] <crimsun> cartman: X.Org, evolution, perhaps gnome-panel*
[10:15] <abelli> cartman: i suggest ion
[10:15] <cartman> btw wardy is based on Debian unstable?
[10:15] <abelli> cartman: yes.
[10:15] <crimsun> cartman: warty is based on a snapshot of Sid from earlier this year.
[10:15] <cartman> ok thanks :)
[10:15] <cartman> last question possibly
[10:16] <cartman> is Hoary compiled with gcc 3.4 ?
[10:16] <crimsun> no
[10:16] <crimsun> 3.3.5
[10:16] <cartman> uhm
[10:16] <cartman> any plans to do so?
[10:16] <crimsun> no
[10:16] <cartman> or waiting for gcc 4.0?
[10:16] <nakeee> why does the gcc version matter so much?
[10:17] <crimsun> I doubt the default compiler will be shifted to 3.4 until is is in Sid.
[10:17] <crimsun> until it is^
[10:17] <cartman> nakee gcc 3.4 c++ perfomance pretty good
[10:17] <cartman> nakee I develop KDE software so I need it
[10:17] <crimsun> nakeee: for some $ARCHes 3.4 performance is much better
[10:17] <cartman> not that mixing gcc 3.3 & gcc 3.4 creates any problems but
[10:17] <crimsun> (also resolves quite a list of FTBFSes)
[10:17] <nakeee> hmm I didn't see any major changes
[10:18] <cartman> nakee for once iostreams got optimized
[10:18] <abelli> cartman: you can move to Gnome whenever you want, actually :)
[10:18] <cartman> even faster than Intel C++ compiler
[10:18] <cartman> abelli: I am a KDE developer, so thats not a choice ;)
[10:18] <nakeee> cartman: I'll believe that when I see benchmarks:)