  That would be nice
 Is anbox ready ?
 @donR, no
 How long have to wait ..
 until it's done
 Lol
 Good morning all..
 Is night here
 same, 11 PM here
 I want to install it on myOone plus one. Any bugs or drawbacks? any post giving Review of usage and all?
 ehhh sadly no one port this for xiaomi mido :(
 @iHusky, your best bet is to wait for halium and xenial to reach a stable state at this point
 @Lyokanthrope, what is a halium
 ddg it. it's a project that gives us a better base for porting OSes like ubuntu touch and plasma mobile to devices.
 @Lyokanthrope, I think tha will be longest waiting :(
 well you're free to do it yourself, or donate a device to a dev who'll do it
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> i believe some day a linux will be able to install on all mobile devices
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> so many nice projects goin on
 maybe, because android is boring for me, and I don`t have any choicieonly android or iOS. Yes SailfishOS is interesting, but it is only for Xperia X and I don`t think that all android apps work good on this OS
 choice*
 Sailfish can be ported to anything else just like Ubuntu Touch.
 But you don't get the Android app support as it's a proprietary component in Sailfish
 @iHusky, Well anbox can also run on sailfish.
 Eventually
 @shenoy13, but not yet
 maybe in near future
 Anbox only works for two UT devices currently as well
 @iHusky, Yes not yet. Waiting for something good is sweet😁
 @shenoy13, but I hate waiting I need fast life and fast changes
 @iHusky, Yup but can't be helped
 @shenoy13, I know, but I don`t think that some apps like google music work well on official SailfishOS, because this need some google services working in background
 @iHusky, Actually you can install google services
 It's kind of a hack.
 But why would you go to an alternative os like that just to do that?
 @iHusky, You can use many other services. There is Spotify.
 @shenoy13, I don`t want copy and set all my music once again (I lose too many time to do this) and spotify don`t show my local music added to their application
 @Lyokanthrope, I need alternative because I want always alternative for mainstream like android or iOS. But I am addicted for google music ( I love listen music all the time) so I must use android
 @iHusky, Oh ok.
 Well, frankly, if you're expecting to be able to use something like Ubuntu Touch and not lose time migrating stuff over, you're in for a lot of disappointment
 @Lyokanthrope, but why, if I will in near future run UB port and anbox, and run google music so I don`t will disappointment
 Morning here :D
[06:05] <Wheezy_WW444> hello
[06:06] <Wheezy_WW444> does ubports work with at&t 4g LTE in the USA?
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 @Wheezy_WW444, If your hardware supports it yes
 @win8linux @Anghirrim  … Welcome! Here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome you can find a little introduction to not get lost, if you have any question feel free to ask in the welcome group
 Hi @Anghirrim! Welcome back!
 Thanks @jonny
 @Crash_Burn Hi Will, maybe I missed the date or estimated timeframe for the launch, but in the last Community update broadcast, you talked about some new UBPorts discussion groups. Do you know approx. when they would go live ?
 Hello! @mariogrip  and friends! - do you guys still use / need https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/  to be up? We're looking at possibly decommissioning it.
[10:54] <bshah> !!!
[10:54] <bshah> It is possible that halium manifest still mentions it
[10:54] <bshah> at least for halium-5.1 branch
 Is the code mirrored elsewhere? I'm keen to make sure we don't drop a service you're relying on, but it's hard to justify us continuing to host something we no longer use.
 We've been looking at the logs, and it seems to mostly be hit by web crawlers and our own monitoring infrastructure, and not actual users :)
[11:05] <bshah> popeydc: Let me verify the actual manifest in bit and then get back to you.. I will PM you on IRC
 ok
 Thank you
 Do you have a timeline for the decommissioning or are you just waiting until there are no other projects dependent on it being online?
 Hi, I'm back to UBPorts after a phone change (Using my Old Nexus 5 now). I flashed it with the magic tool without problem.
 But now I seems stuck on the r1 build, and if I check for updates, it keeps searching and searching
 @win8linux, No timeline. I was just asked today by the IS people if it's being used. I imagine they're keen to shut it down because it's infra to manage that we aren't using.
 Is the R1 the last version for Nexus 5? Thanks
 Or should I have used the UBPort installer?
 @Anghirrim, MDT install R1 but there is R3
 just update
 when the phone will find it
 Next weekend i'm going to try install Ubuntu touch on my old HTC m8 i'll make it?
 @sambuccid, Thanks. I'll keep checking then, or use the ubports installer for a fresh install as I have nothing set up yet
 @Anghirrim, it's strange that don't find the update
 By the way sony has on their website that they support AOSP on selected devices and they have also some forums for developers and so on. Does anybody know if the devices are in any way more open source friendly or is sony just using what they are obliged to do by oss licenses for some good PR?
[12:28] <tgBot1> Ethereals was added by: Ethereals
 Anyone have a problem with oneplus one bootloop after installing ubtouch via windows installer?
 @Ismaelbonato, language! yumi swear-bot image please. we have a violation.
 @iHusky, consider a nice book at the beach or a fishing trip
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 @Gianluca, Is it supported?
 @Flohack, no
 That's strange, my phone finally received the R3 update, but after this, mobile data won't work anymore
 When I turn data on (top to bottom screen slide, then enable data), I see the 4G logo in front of the signal (still in the drawer).
 But when I am back on scope, the top bar does not show data
 @vanyasem, I know it was rhetorical question 😆
 Hello guys,  … Hope.you all great … I have Huawei P8 Max  … Can I get ubuntu on it ?
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[13:25] <tgBot1> <shen feng> Guys,xiaomi4 can get Ubuntu on it😙😀
 @TheMinimalDesign, no
 @shen feng, no
 @lotuspsychje, Since Android is a Linux, we're pretty much at that day (which is why Ubuntu bug #1 got closed)
[13:29] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @vanyasem, In the above translation of the Chinese news that mi4 seems to be able to install Ubuntu
 @shen feng, unfortunately, I can't read Chinese. and unfortunately that's not one of our supported devices. I sincerely doubt that
 @shen feng, This super group is in English, and also has a bridge for IRC. please be considerate and post your own text in English, and split up such posts into multiple comments in the future, so everyone can more easily understand what you're trying to say
[13:33] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 640x737) https://irc.ubports.com/EG6uoYX0/file_4092.jpg
[13:34] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 640x697) https://irc.ubports.com/PryHmz0N/file_4094.jpg
[13:34] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 640x540) https://irc.ubports.com/uyKAuiHF/file_4093.jpg
[13:34] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 640x494) https://irc.ubports.com/LjSzr04O/file_4095.jpg
[13:34] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 640x758) https://irc.ubports.com/Smw8PG7k/file_4096.jpg
[13:34] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 640x729) https://irc.ubports.com/DgwoVPGy/file_4097.jpg
 @vanyasem, could be someone working on a port and got it working
[13:34] <tgBot1> <shen feng> Look
 @dohbee, if that's true, then it's really unfortunate, as it will probably never get upstreamed (as they never got in contact with us or even notified the porting team)
[13:35] <tgBot1> <shen feng> Photos in the news
 @vanyasem, so in that case it won't get updated to 16.04 based on Halium
 that's a big shame
 Well I can now flash between ubuntu, sailfish and lineage using magic-device-tool but it sure wasn't pretty a lot of can't stat device, device not available and file not found errors~ lots of patience and trail and error
 Protip: disable auto mounting mtp devices on host machine and use debian as host instead of ubuntu
 @Anghirrim, switch to devel channel, so update again the os, this is a known issue
 @Johan_k, Vulgry
 @shen feng, Can you help us get in touch with them?
 @shen feng, can you contact this person and tell them to bring their code to us so we can help?  Maybe you can contact this person since you speak Chinese?
 oh
 sorry Flo.  haha
 @Anghirrim, Maybe clear install cache using UTtweaktool
 @Flohack, Ok so... I'll buy a fairphone 😅
 @Flohack, Sorry, what's our question for shen feng?
 @exar_kun, To engage the person who made the Xiaomi port, to get them to work with us
 @Stereofont @sambuccid. Thanks both, a clean install did the trick.
 @dohbee, Ok we will probe the Chinese group
[15:06] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @wayneoutthere, Maybe I can try to find this article author, take a look at can provide source code, but to see this article like is forwarded eventually source is in China miui forum
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 @shen feng, Nice! thanks guys
 @shen feng, it would be good that they come under the hood of the community ports. Then we can provide them with guidance and help, and also maintain it better.
 Any idea to install Ubuntu touch on Mi Max/Redmi Note 2/Redmi 1s??
 See the group description for supported devices
[16:57] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Posted recently in the UBPorts forum about reaching out to universities/schools to do presentations of ubuntu touch and ubports. I have now started approaching one school too see if they would let me come and do a presentation and see if there is any interest in what is being done in this project. Seems like a lot of people on the team is reading here so I thought Id post a message here
 That sounds like a very interesting way to drum up interest
 Wow, Dalton... top-notch commentary on that one.
 After editing fstab* for mountpoints build giving error
 https://hastebin.com/okojiyodit.sql
 You have two entries for `/data`, remove one.
 @UniversalSuperBox, That should be fine
 It's a modification of `hybris-boot`'s build script, so it gets upset in that case
 No big deal
 @Jimmie Johnsson, https://forums.ubports.com/topic/948/building-relationships-with-universities/6 … Here is the link for more information.  Kudos on such a nice post.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Should i remove from hybris-boot mountpoint fix script?
 @UniversalSuperBox, ah ok, so a bug in that script. someone should probably fix that :)
 @maharudra108, No... It sounds like you have two `/data` entries in your device's fstab
 @UniversalSuperBox, Well i find only one enteries for userdata
 Hmm. I'm going to be working with halium-boot for a little while today, is your device armhf or arm64/
 @UniversalSuperBox, armhf
 @maharudra108, why did you not include the fstab contents in your hastebin? would have been helpful :)
 @dohbee, Sorry i m adding it
 http://haste.akhilnarang.me/
 @maharudra108, Nd this
 that's a 502
 @dohbee, https://hastebin.com/negecadare.pl
 "I watch the Super Bowl for the commercials." Congrats to whoever thought-up that psyop.
[17:39] <vandenoever> can nexus 5 have android and ubports installed at the same time and have boot choice?
 @samzn, Congrats on your repost and being off topic? :)
 @vandenoever, we don't explicitly support dual boot, but with a modified MultiROM, you can do it i think
 @Javacookies i think does, so might have detail son that
[17:41] <vandenoever> tgBot1: how hard is it to make a / install a multirom?
 @maharudra108, hmm, i guess maybe hybris-boot has some issue with the sdcard entry versus the ``/data`` entry there maybe?
[17:41] <vandenoever> ah, it's a FAQ "Multiboot is not fun to maintain and we don't have time to do it. Some people have been able to get this working with kernel patches and recovery tricks, but it will kill OTA updates. We plan for Anbox to solve the Android problem."
 right
 @dohbee, Halium boot worked perfectly when  userdata was set to /emmc@userdata but when i changed it to /dev/mmcblk0p7 for ubports i got error
[17:43] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @Crash_Burn thanks!
 ok i don't know, sorry
 @dohbee, One thing to ask what if i don't change fstab /data partition to dev/mmcblk* what problem i will face?
 @maharudra108, i don't know
 @vandenoever, yeah it's not supported and might not work in the future but it does work
 just search for the modified multirom for Nexus 5...keyword 1.apk ;)
 MultiROM helps me alot right now because I can monitor the progress of 16.04 and have my maine UT install...with the extra of sometimes using Android and Sailfish OS :D
[18:13] <vandenoever> Javacookies: yes, that sounds appealing
 hey folks....mind if i ask a question to someone who is familiar with both plasma mobile and ubports projects in pm?
 so anyway, was just curious on who is closer to convergence, plasma mobile or ubports? on one hand, i know ubports is further along on mobile, but unity 8 needs a lot of work still...
 on the otherhand, plasma mobile needs more work, but has plasma desktop already there, so it might be easier for them to meet in the middle.
 curious how one views how that all plays out on mobile hardware
 I did tried plasma mobile but for  a really short time and it was an old build...I think Ubports is closer because it's already available and quite usable
 well there's more to convergence than just that
 i don't think there are many (if any) apps built for convergence, that aren't using the ubuntu-ui-toolkit
 that's also true..it's a broad idea or word
 agreed. they are more stable on mobile than plasma mobile...i was wondering if the leap to make it work with unity 8 on desktop would give plasma mobile a straight line to get to "convergence" as canonical envisioned it.
 really, they all need lots of work
 @dohbee, sorry , i don't mean to be a pain, just want to make sure i got this right....ubports is creating mobile platform.....and while it has unity8 to use for desktop use case, it doesn't plan on making it a flagship feature?
 light, it would be more light desktop use
 if someone wanted to....
 i'm not sure what you're trying to get at, but i don't think you got it right
 ok sorry, let me back up...
 convergence means unity8 would be usable in windowed mode or on a phone
 and it's unclear what you mean by "desktop use"
 ubports....still pursuing convergence or just getting ubuntu  touch on mobile first and then go from there regarding it being desktop like use with monitor and bt keyboard/mouse.
 ubports is just a community project to continue the work on the whole convergence stack, which Canonical dropped last year
 the stack is on mobile first, because that's how it was developed from the start
 in what I see, convergence isn't the main focus...it's more of making UT work well and work on more devices
 okay....and when i plug into a monitor and bluetooth keyboard/mouse....it will have a desktop feel, just with mobile apps, instead of pure desktop apps.
 @Javacookies, yeah i must of missed something while i was away the first time....that its mission 1 - get ut to work and work on more devices...
 and i thought close mission 2 was get that desktop like productivity
 but it seems like it might be just  mobile first and unity8 is mobile first (and only) interface.
 @profetik777, i don't understand what you mean here. an app is an app. apps must be designed for convergence. sadly, most are not
 @profetik777, Then why is there an apt repository with x86 builds of unity8 for 16.04 on ubports.com?
 @dohbee, tell me more on why they are not. I think of apps are designed with the hardware/environment in mind....they tech. don't have to adapt to sensing a monitor and changing dimensions automatically...e.g. creating an app for android is going to be different than creating an "app" or software for mac desktop.....
 because they aren't designed to adapt to different screen sizes, input methods, etc
 you answered your own question there
 what the appeal (for me at least) was that i get 1 app that when triggered by an input , eg. keyboard, understand that adapts bc UT / unity 8 was designed with that in mind.
 is that STILL the vision for ubports...
 ?
 i don't know what you mean by that
 the toolkit helps with convergence (adpative/responsive layout) but apps should still explicitly programmed to do it
 right
 and today it's possible to write an app with a single codebase, that can be built natively for any modern OS, and look native, and be responsive to screen and input type changes
 and yet nobody does it
 never knew that one....and so unity 8 is the "mobile/desktop environment" and it is up to the dev to program in such a way to make it adaptive to their liking.
 unity 8 and app should be programmed for adaptive layout
 currently, Unity8 has basic "convergence" support...it's usable but some things aren't optimized for mouse/KB  or touch use like the indicators being hard to use with mouse
 BINGO, thank you...that is where i was trying to gett it....the level or, quality of convergence....
 and how that is going...
 it was about to get a whole lot better, and then Canonical dropped everything
 search for some convergence videos out there and you'll see...mostly are Nexus 5  :D
 so progress there has been stunted a bit
 since literally nobody is getting paid to make it be the default environment on ubuntu
 yeah, the was a sad day to remember :)
 like, for example, down the road, i might be able to install a snap of kdenlive on my ubports device, and of course it wouldn't be  active when im on mobile, but when i plug my inputs in, i can tech. use it as if im on a legit desktop (assuming by that time, phone power/specs are there...which, i assume might be in a few years).
 I was monitoring unity 8 silo stuffs LOL
 @Javacookies, i was legit crushed that day
 i wish chromium wasn't such a pain to build on
 my wife was asking, what is wrong with you?
 lol
 @profetik777, that's already possible though not yet snap...I have kdenlive on my Nexus 5 right now and I
 *I'm planning to edit a video with it ;)
 the reason why i wanted to pm was bc i didn't want to come across as if i was poking at plasma
 i hope snaps don't get installable on the phone
 @Javacookies, how app image?
 @dohbee, why???
 @Javacookies, that is friggin awesome! please do a vid about your experience!
 @dohbee, yeah why?
 because it's not worth the trouble
 also, why don't people do dev. on one codebase?
 @profetik777, nope, just plain apt...but beware it's not supported!!! I'm just adventurous and wild LOL
 @dohbee, you think snap has no future? or just no enough advantage on mobile yet?
 @Javacookies, wonder how power management/optimization must be like to get that going down the road lol
 i think snappy has no interest in supporting unity8 or phones
 No, not any more at least
 @profetik777, wot
 @UniversalSuperBox, sh*t that sucks. its been taking off it seems...slack, skype, etc.
 @UniversalSuperBox, services that have android and ios apps for example, are often different apps. they aren't built from same code, and often will have some strong differences
 ah
 slack/skype/etc are basically one code base now
 because they're just electron apps
 so, as of today, x86 apps can technically run on UT, but bc it isn't optimized, it might be crappy/buggy? and bc snaps devs are making room for mobile implementation, the best experience is to do native dev. for UT?
 like, libre office isn't going to be as usable on ut any time soon, right?
 x86 apps can run on x86 devices
 libreoffice is going to remain libreoffice
 okay, but it isn't 1 for 1 right? is it buggy or comprable for desktop productivity?
 You can install whatever you want, it's just generally not a good idea and many apps are kinda buggy since they use xmir
 i'm not aware of them working on making the apps be mobile friendly or not
 collabra! wait...nm....
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/5DUxKoH9/file_4101.mp4
 i was hoping snaps were the best path for devs to build for ut...of course, as you said, they are no longer including the same things that the toolkit has to make it adaptive.....
 hoping it was the best path, if they chose not to go native
 snaps is just the packaging....click will do for now
 app development will be mostly the same
 snaps is a whole lot more than just the packaging
 which is why it's not a great idea
 yeah thats what i remember when mark was singing its praises
 ::tear::
 @dohbee, why not? all in one developement a - z, the "lazy programmer" is best ideology thing, etc.? if you can use it for packaging only, and elect not to use the other components, couldn't that be a good thinkg?
 you can't really use snap for packaging only
 ah
 p.s. thanks guys for helping me with getting clarity on those things. appreciate it.
 and if you do, then at that point, you're implementing your own package management on top of snaps, and you might as well just ship tarballs or something
 or make a new format
 oh yeah I see...also with confinements right? and all other stuffs that you need to modify in your app...oh well
 snaps should be in the lower priority of Ubports....let's wait for it to mature :)
 @Javacookies, yeeahh, confinements might be a pain for devs.....
 yeah, to do it right you need to convert the whole OS to be snaps only. and the whole interfaces situation in snaps is problematic, plus the lack of several other things needed for a unity8 on snaps system to work
 because all that work got dropped last year
 i would say snaps should just be avoided
 for ubports
 and just go pure native only? or do you see something else on the horizon?
 that is better than snaps?
[19:56] <rbasak> dohbee: huh? I don't see how any of these things are true.
[19:57] <rbasak> You can make a classic snap, which _is_ only packaging.
[19:57] <rbasak> And it doesn't require the whole OS to be snaps only.
[19:57] <rbasak> How is "the whole interfaces situation" problematic?
 @rbasak, and which is insecure
 @rbasak, because interfaces are a hardcoded list in snapd, and changing snapd to add new interfaces is a long exercise in masochism
 clicks have apparmor confinement policies that are ready-made for Ubuntu Touch already. We'd be rewriting those and adding new interfaces for snaps.
 so you're not a fan of snaps? :P
 exactly
 snaps sounds promising to me but I honestly don't know the technical stuffs 😅
 For the use cases that are good for Canonical, heck yeah they're promising. Desktop apps, IoT, ready-made services
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/qc7WBCpx/file_4102.mp4
 time to fork snaps with click integration!
 juuuust kidding
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/SYAUTeKf/file_4103.mp4
 lol
[20:03] <rbasak> dohbee: sounds like what you're saying is that snaps currently don't have the interfaces you need, and you don't want to spend the effort getting that landed. That's fine, but it's not like there's anything fundamental about snaps that makes it a problem then, which is what you had seemed to be implying.
 The fundamental problem is "they need some work that we are not prepared or staffed to do right now"
[20:05] <rbasak> dohbee: as for classic snaps being "insecure", you can take your pick: confined with the interfaces you need, or not confined.
[20:05] <rbasak> UniversalSuperBox: that's also a perfectly reasonable statement.
[20:05] <rbasak> The reason I was objecting earlier is that it seemed that dohbee was saying that snaps were fundamentally inappropriate somehow, rather than just missing the interfaces you need.
 @rbasak, LOL. We spent the effort last year, and it was a horrible process which I would not want the ubports devs to suffer through
 making any changes to snappy is a grueling process, almost as bad as submitting a change to the kernel.
 well snaps are fundamentally inappropriate for the use case, really
[20:07] <rbasak> fundamentally inappropriate> why?
 the same reason they always have been. it was always designed and developed in a direction that is divergent from the needs of the phone
[20:08] <rbasak> Why? Right now you seem to be saying "it's inappropriate because it's inappropriate".
 it's not simply a packaging system.
[20:09] <rbasak> So what?
[20:09] <rbasak> Again: why?
 i explained it
[20:09] <rbasak> No, you haven't. At all.
 you seem to keep saying "you should use snaps, because snaps!"
[20:10] <rbasak> Where did I say that?
[20:10] <rbasak> I'm just asking that you don't make broad genrealised unsubstantiated statements about why snaps are fundamentally bad.
 how is anything i've said about snaps not true?
 i have not
[20:10] <rbasak> "well snaps are fundamentally inappropriate" -> completely unsubstantiated.
 no it is not
[20:11] <rbasak> Where have you given a reason as to why this is the case for you?
 snaps are fine for what snappy was designed for. and that is IoT
[20:11] <rbasak> You have stated some (true) facts about snaps.
[20:11] <rbasak> You have _not_ stated how these (true) facts are in any way connected to being inappropriate for you.
[20:16] <rbasak> Real criticism is fine. So far the two things you've said is "it doesn't have the interfaces we need" and "it's too hard to get submissions landed". Both of these are useful feedback: thanks.
 i've said plenty more than that. i've grown a bit tired of repeating it though
[20:17] <rbasak> But "fundamentally inappropriate" is unsubstantiated. "not simply a packaging system" isn't a reason because you haven't said why whatever else it is is a problem. "snaps are fine for what snappy was designed for" is not a reason because that doesn't explain why it won't also work for you.
[20:17] <rbasak> "I'm not repeating the real reason" isn't a reason either.
[20:17] <rbasak> Please stop spreading FUD about snaps.
 and the problem isn't that it doesn't have the interfaces we need. the problem is that the only way to define interfaces is by changing a hardcoded list of interfaces in the snapd code itself
[20:18] <rbasak> Clicks have effectively a hardcoded list of profiles too, no?
 JFC.
 apparmor profiles and snap interfaces are not the same thing
[20:19] <rbasak> Correct.
[20:19] <rbasak> snap interfaces also do other confinements.
 and the former is not specific to click, and it is very easy for us to add new profiles if we need to
[20:20] <rbasak> Ah, so the nature of the codebase means that you would have trouble maintaining a forked snapd to add interfaces, whereas it would be easier for click?
[20:20] <rbasak> If so, that's a real reason, and useful. Thanks.
 they are still different things
 They are, but we're really not prepared to take on the work right now, no matter what the work may be.
[20:21] <rbasak> That's tautological, but again doesn't identify why snaps are fundamentally inappropraite.
[20:23] <rbasak> UniversalSuperBox: that's reasonable and perfectly fine. I'm not objecting to that at all. You get to decide what you want to spend time on :)
[20:23] <rbasak> It's just the "snaps are fundamentally inappropriate" part I'm objecting to.
 Right, we (meaning "the people who primarily develop Ubuntu Touch right now") have not taken an in-depth look at what the required work is to use Snaps as a primary (or secondary) package provider on Ubuntu Touch. Nothing fundamentally wrong from our angle, yet.
[20:24] <rbasak> (well maybe it is, but I'm struggling to extract the reason why this may be the case from dohbee, who is giving me a ton of unrelated facts about snaps but not in a way that demonstrates why snaps might be inappropriate)
[20:24] <rbasak> UniversalSuperBox: thanks
 I know
[20:25] <rbasak> FWIW, I appreciate the work you guys are doing.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I (and my team) spent quite a bit of time working on exactly this problem a year ago.
[20:25] <rbasak> I've not tried ubports yet though - I'm waiting for it to catch up with the Ubuntu development release, which I guess maybe isn't a prority for you right now.
 snappy is fundamentally designed for a use case which is not end user systems, phones or otherwise. (which is why all the unsecured classic stuff was added on top to market snaps to app devs shipping x11 apps on linux)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/00kFW504/file_4105.jpg Zesty Ubuntu Touch
 Zesty?
 just to see if work, i flashed zesty rootfs
 Where'd you find that?
[20:28] <rbasak> dohbee: I'm not sure I agree with that statement, unless I misunderstand. Snaps *are* fundamentally designed for end users to consume.
[20:28] <rbasak> Phones isn't a focus now, admittedly.
 the amount of work to build a fully secured snappy based environment on the phone, is extraneous and inappropriate for the ubports team to spend time on, and does not really fit within the goals of shipping a converged ubuntu phone platform
 thus it is fundamentally inappropriate
 @UniversalSuperBox, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[20:29] <rbasak> But I don't know of any reason that snap's design is fundamentally unsuitable for phones.
 @Walid, ah
 @rbasak, for the same reason Ubuntu Personal never shipped.
[20:29] <rbasak> Inappropriate for ythe ubports team to spend time on is fine. Not within your goals is also fine.
 i noticed default time is 07-25-2016
[20:29] <rbasak> But that doesn't make it fundamentally inappropriate. I can imagine a snap-based Ubuntu-based phone and it'd work fine.
[20:30] <rbasak> It's just about getting there from here, and whether there are any developers interested in putting in the work.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/04s2HbWF/file_4107.jpg
[20:30] <rbasak> The answer right now seems to be that there isn't. Which is also fine.
[20:30] <rbasak> But telling people that snaps are fundamentally inappropriate, rather than not a goal, is misleading I think.
 @UniversalSuperBox i opened terminal and ran adbd manually, got adb shell connected
 Huh. I assume it's somewhere between upstart and systemd, though. And that a lot of clicky stuff is missing.
 @UniversalSuperBox, it is
 Nice looking calendar indicator though
 also loved home screen page
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/8lz8yMm0/file_4109.jpg
 looks the same as it did before
 it actually looks older
 older?
 i mean, the click scope never really changed too much
 in 17.04 it had the big store button removed though
 but aside from that it was always just a list of apps pretty much
 @UniversalSuperBox zesty is based on systemd or upstart ?
 systemd, but it wasn't finished
 if you want any log for zestytell me, also may it work with hybris-boot ?
 zesty is EOL now too though, so not much point in trying to run it either
 @dohbee, yes but just for fanny, i want see it how it look
 but the gap at the bottom of the header isn't there anymore...where the dots are......but yeah, no point for this I guess///unless it's 18.04? :P
 @Javacookies, isn't there where? also, that'd be a change in unity8 not the scope, but eh
[21:46] <tgBot1> corydon was added by: corydon
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 Hi @corydon! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Find all the most important information on https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome!
 Will check that out. Thanks @peternerlich!
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 @peternerlich, thanks
 Hey, I know we're not doing ports for the most part right now, what do you think it'd be possible to make a UBports or Halium image that runs on top of Project Treble?
 Gonna have to wait for hybris support for Oreo first I think
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[10:24] <amlaeb> Hello, I am having troubles with Xubuntu 22.04. It works fine except it freezes when idling for more than a couple minutes. The display stays on, I can move the mouse and when I hoover over buttons it shows their tooltips, but the system is unresponsive to clicks and keyboard presses.
[10:24] <amlaeb> hover*
[11:08] <tomreyn> amlaeb: i don't know what causes this (others here may have better suggestions), but i would start by checking system logs:   journalctl -b -p3 | nc termbin.com 9999    would upload all errors which occurred during the current kernel runtime (i.e. since reboot). replace "-b" by "-b -1" to get the same for the previous kernel runtime (i.e. before reboot).
[11:39] <amlaeb> tomreyn Thank you for the reply, https://termbin.com/75ua
[11:54] <tomreyn> amlaeb: hmm, that's less than i expected, but it may provide some hints: the nvidia gpu driver reports an I2C (bus) timeout, which *could* mean "something wrong with graphics" at this time.
[11:54] <tomreyn> amlaeb: is this from the current kernel runtime or the previous one? and on which one did the issue occur (i.e. have you rebooted since it happened)?
[20:33] <brunodecarvalho> ola boa noite
[22:09] <brunodecarvalho_> ola boa noite


[09:59] <cpaelzer> hmm, is https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html an empty page for everyone - did I miss a change where to find that now?
[10:02] <sil2100> cpaelzer: hm, it looks normal to me!
[10:03] <cpaelzer> interesting, it resited all refreshes - trying other browser and on/off the vpn
[10:03] <cpaelzer> sil2100: works again
[10:04] <cpaelzer> I even had it failing with wget before ...
[10:04] <cpaelzer> maybe the list gets long enough that there are times when it re-runs that breaks it
[10:05] <cpaelzer> the dir listing indicates it was regenerated 3 minutes ago which was the time it failed me (assuming the server times as UK)
[10:06] <sil2100> Could be, that would be quite a race ;)
[10:19] <alkisg> My stock firefox.deb (not snap) in 22.04 stopped loading pages today. The "Refresh profile" command solved the issue. Then a school reported the exact same issue with firefox.deb in 20.04
[10:19] <alkisg> Is there any recent global problem with firefox that I'm not aware of?
[10:21] <schopin> alkisg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29918121
[10:21] <schopin> it's apparently an issue with the Firefox servers (or their CDN) that triggers a bug in the HTTP/3 implementation
[10:22] <alkisg> Thank you very much schopin, I'll ask my schools to not try to resolve the problem (by deleting all profiles for all their teachers and students!!!) until it's resolved by mozilla
[10:25] <schopin> alkisg: You might want to subscribe to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 I guess.
[10:25] <alkisg> Will do, thanks again
[19:01] <bdmurray> vorlon: looking at bug 1953224 in the sponsoring queue it looks to me like (and my testing indicates) that our diff, a change to debian/tests/control, is no longer needed. Is there anyway to sort this out other than waiting for a new debian version of auto-multiple-choice?
[19:19] <vorlon> bdmurray: could always revert the changes to debian/test/control, upload, and note in changelog that it should be a sync.  You could try to upload with a version number like 1.5.2-1.1~build1 to make it autosync next time, but the risk there is that someone does something weird with the version of the next Debian upload that we don't predict
[19:22] <seb128> use 1willsync1 for the revision? ;-)
[19:24] <vorlon> that doesn't do anything to the autosyncer, does it?
[19:25] <seb128> I thought it blocked sync when 'ubuntu' was in the revision
[19:25] <seb128> but I could be wrong
[19:29] <vorlon> I don't see anything about that in the auto-sync code
[19:29] <vorlon> er wait sorry I just misread what you wrote
[19:29] <seb128> where is that code?
[19:29] <vorlon> lp:ubuntu-archive-tools auto-sync
[19:29] <vorlon>             if "ubuntu" in current_ver:
[19:29] <seb128> I was just searching for it but I don't remember where it is hosted now
[19:29] <vorlon> so yes
[19:29] <seb128> ah, thanks
[19:40] <bdmurray> So a version number greater than the current one in Jammy but w/o ubuntu in the version name will cause auto-sync to do the right thing?
[19:50] <seb128> correct
[20:48] <toddr> Is it possible to configure my 3rdparty repo (I maintain this repo) in a way that they are also upgraded when switch from 20.04 to 21.10?
[20:49] <toddr> basically I want my 3rdparty repo packages at the same time that ubuntu upgrades
[20:50] <toddr> I'm struggling to find any documentation on how to get this to work
[21:01] <bdmurray> The release upgrade process will comment out third party repos, however a person upgrading can use the "--allow-third-party" switch but that is not 3rd party specific i.e. all of them will be allowed.
[23:28] <bdmurray> mwhudson: Did you say we should hint yorick?
[23:29] <bdmurray> for glibc in focal
[23:31] <mwhudson> bdmurray: yes, it fails with the glibc in -updates too
[23:37] <bdmurray> okay, will do
[23:44] <bdmurray> mwhudson: oh its flaky see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897236


[00:20] <vorlon> the i386 package whitelist for focal is now live.  in the short term, expect proposed-migration to slow down a little bit as manual binary removals from the release pocket are needed in order to let things migrate
[00:22] <vorlon> I will be doing a mass binary removal on i386, but before that I will be working on landing changes to make the autopkgtest runners test i386 on an amd64 base image, to reduce the testing impact of the removals (<-- cc: Laney juliank)
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-72.81]
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-72.81]
[06:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libchipcard [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.1.4rc1-3]
[08:15] <cpaelzer> RAOF: thanks for updating 1836929
[08:16] <cpaelzer> RAOF: I know we use block-proposed for things like an FTBFS fix where it makes sense. But on a autopkgtest failure I thought this will ahve to go to -release to be used automatically
[08:16] <cpaelzer> we could keep it in proposed which would let all tests fail but people could run a custom trigger to use the new version (which is better than not having it in proposed at all)
[08:16] <cpaelzer> I think this might be a new corner case to be discussed in the block-proposed context
[08:17] <cpaelzer> would you mind bringing this up with the SRU Team next time you meet?
[08:21] <RAOF> Don't autopkgtests run against the packages in proposed?
[08:22]  * RAOF forgets
[08:22] <RAOF> I will indeed bring that up.
[08:28] <RAOF> cpaelzer autopkgtests are documented as running with -proposed enabled, so having it in -proposed with block-proposed set should be exactly as useful as having it in -release?
[08:29] <mwhudson> vorlon: exciting times
[08:29] <mwhudson> RAOF: autopkgtests in general run with only the package being tested from proposed
[08:29] <RAOF> Unless people are running their autopkgtests locally *without* -proposed.
[08:30] <mwhudson> RAOF: "autopkgtests are documented as running with -proposed enabled" where did you find this lie?
[08:30] <mwhudson> :
[08:30] <mwhudson> :)
[08:30] <RAOF> mwhudson: Ah, I was indeed misreading that.
[08:31] <RAOF> Or, rather, *later* in the documentation it clarifies that “with proposed enabled” means “with certain packages from proposed” 😀
[08:31] <RAOF> (specifically, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html says both those things)
[09:01] <apw> technically it has proposed 'enabled' and pinning applied to make only a subset of packages desirable; so it is right and utterly missleading
[09:08] <mwhudson> well in that sense most of my systems have proposed enabled
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-72.81~16.04.1] (kernel)
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-72.81~16.04.1] (kernel)
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-72.81~16.04.1]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-72.81~16.04.1]
[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-edge [s390x] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2] (kernel)
[12:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-edge [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2] (kernel)
[12:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-edge [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2] (kernel)
[12:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-edge [arm64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2] (kernel)
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2]
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2]
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2]
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-24.26~18.04.2]
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceilometer (eoan-proposed/main) [1:13.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:13.0.0-0ubuntu1.1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceilometer (disco-proposed/main) [1:12.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:12.0.0-0ubuntu1.1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[15:58] <vorlon> huh.  all the dbus-triggered autopkgtests are failing on i386, I swear I didn't do that
[16:00] <Laney> curious
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, vorlon, dbus was just uploaded, looks like an arches mismatch?
[16:01] <Laney> but it shouldn't have been triggered until proposed-migration saw all of the builds were there
[16:07] <vorlon> furthermore, the error claims that some of the packages from the -proposed version on i386 are available but can't be installed due to dependencies
[16:08] <seb128> I just tried in a focal/i386 chroot and it's installable there...
[16:28] <Laney> just tried in scalingstack, still happening
[16:29] <Laney> whatTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTtttt
[16:30] <vorlon> is it somehow refusing to upgrade packages that are part of the base image?  I'm not sure that would make sense
[16:39] <Laney> it's probably somehow or other to do with the pinning
[16:39] <Laney> but doesn't happen in a qemu vm locally :(
[16:58] <vorlon> tseliot: nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 didn't make it into the i386 whitelist because it doesn't ship versions of any of the libraries that were identified as required for i386-compatibility.  Is there any reason to care about i386 versions of the 340 libcuda* stuff being available, or should I just drop these i386 binaries?
[17:05] <tseliot> vorlon, the amd64 package already includes the i386 libraries (which should be enough for most uses), since it's not a proper multi-arch package. As for libcuda1-340, I doubt that the i386 libraries would be super useful
[17:07] <Laney> vorlon: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SfjZ2BxhsF/
[17:31] <Laney> I'm assuming we need to write pins for foreign arches too
[17:36] <vorlon> tseliot: ok removing those binaries then, cheers
[17:36] <vorlon> Laney: huh why is amd64 libdbus installed in that environment?
[17:37] <vorlon> Laney: I mean, the conclusion sounds correct but I'm still confused how we arrived at that point
[17:38] <Laney> thermald apparently
[17:39] <Laney> not sure where that comes from
[17:39] <vorlon> wow
[17:39] <Laney> oh ok, recommends from the kernel
[17:40] <vorlon> Laney: are you going to work on implementing that foreign-arch pinning? it may wind up needing some redoing shortly anyway as I'm hoping to move us from i386 images to amd64 images for focal by EOW
[17:41] <vorlon> Laney: fwiw rough sketch of what I'm planning: autopkgtest itself needs to grow an interface to know what arch it's being asked to test for, which we would then invoke unconditionally; this would translate to arch-qualified installation of all packages from this source, cross-build-aware installation of @builddeps@, and default host resolution of any other test deps.  Opinions?
[17:41] <Laney> not if I can help it ;-)
[17:42] <vorlon> Laney: ok then my plan instead is to badtest all of the dbus revdeps that are slated for removal, skiptest the rest, and move on ;)
[17:42] <vorlon> (and deal with the foreign-arch pinning as part of the migration)
[17:43] <Laney> vorlon: sounds sane at first glance; might want to run it past elbrus
[17:43] <Laney> what's the state of cross building random packages?
[17:45] <Laney> wip/mojo-juju-2's going to want some work for this too
[17:45] <Laney> i386/amd64 is treated as a special case there
[17:46] <vorlon> ah?
[17:46] <vorlon> Laney: elbrus> hmm he's not here, I thought he used to hang out.  Is there a recommended channel for upstream autopkgtest discussions?
[17:47] <Laney> #debci
[17:47] <Laney> probably OFTC?
[17:47] <vorlon> ack
[17:48] <Laney> special case> to handle using the same quota for both arches
[17:48] <Laney> Maybe we'll just have to further special case out image building
[17:51] <vorlon> well, my current approach was just to add i386 foreign-arch to the amd64 image and use that, which was a lot simpler than refactoring 3 layers of autopkgtest-cloud
[17:53] <vorlon> as far as quotas... with only 1700 source packages left on i386, it may just fit in the margin ;P
[17:58] <Laney> if I'm understanding correctly, autopkgtest-cloud changes are (1) don't build i386 autopkgtest cloud images any more, and (2) ask for the amd64 image when testing i386
[17:58] <Laney> should be fairly trivial in both branches (but different)
[17:59]  * vorlon nods
[22:37] <mwhudson> vorlon: er how would you feel about deleting livecd-rootfs/i386? :)
[22:38] <vorlon> mwhudson: ecstatic
[22:38] <mwhudson> vorlon: i guess this will poke people who are still building i386 images in the eye fairly obviously :)
[22:39] <vorlon> mwhudson: actually on that point it might be a bit awkward for me to delete it right before Thanksgiving and make the cpc team's builds all break.  Could I instead add livecd-rootfs to the package whitelist and have you upload it again to get it built?
[22:40] <mwhudson> vorlon: that would be fine too
[22:40] <mwhudson> (i would like it to migrate before the general mass binary removal)
[22:40] <mwhudson> vorlon: let me know when its safe to upload it
[22:42] <vorlon> mwhudson: should be good now
[22:44] <mwhudson> vorlon: ta
[22:44] <mwhudson> 4 attempts to type my gpg passphrase, not enough coffee or too much?
[22:54] <valorie> never too much coffee!
[22:54]  * valorie slides a glass of water to mwhudson
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added livecd-rootfs to i386-whitelist in focal


[08:43] <tsdgeos> booo we're not green again :/
[08:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/pot_update/+merge/249610
[08:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, might wanna have one more for qmltypes...
[08:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, why you say no green http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity8-ci/
[08:57] <tsdgeos> Saviq: qmltestrunner::NotificationRendererTest::test_NotificationRenderer
[08:57] <tsdgeos> 3 vs 2
[08:58] <tsdgeos> Saviq: are qmltypes something we even care for?
[08:59] <tsdgeos> who is using those?
[08:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, QtC is
[08:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it helps with code completion etc.
[09:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, where did you see that failure?
[09:01] <tsdgeos> local machine
[09:02] <tsdgeos> and https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-vivid/475/consoleFull
[09:02] <Saviq> interesting
[09:02] <Saviq> I've ran all the tests here before approving, and CI was happy with that test before
[09:03] <tsdgeos> well it's not 100%
[09:03] <tsdgeos> but it happened in a loop quite fast
[09:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/update_qmltypes/+merge/249612
[09:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx
[09:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: since i can reproduce relatively reliably that test failure i'm having a look
[09:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, please do, I couldn't fail that test
[10:23] <tsdgeos> no mirko today?
[10:30] <Cimi> tsdgeos, we're too late to have https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/pot_update/+merge/249610 inside hack_location_data?
[10:30] <tsdgeos> oh
[10:30] <Cimi> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/hack_location_data_i18n/+merge/249174
[10:31] <tsdgeos> i guess i could add it there
[10:31] <tsdgeos> give me a sec
[10:31] <Cimi> yeah, happy to approve
[10:36] <Cimi> who is working on the currency in the ubuntu store?
[10:37] <Cimi> the GBP pound symbol used is the ancient one :D
[10:37] <Cimi> I guess we need to change the font
[10:39] <Cimi> tsdgeos, Mirco is here
[10:39] <tsdgeos> i foudn my issue already
[10:39] <tsdgeos> thanks :)
[10:40] <Cimi> ok :)
[10:40] <tsdgeos> now only need to fix it :D
[10:41] <Cimi> popey, hey man! did you notice the pound sterling symbol in the store? (cut the rope)
[10:42] <Cimi> popey, you know who is in charge of that?
[10:42] <Cimi> or if it's an issue in the translation
[10:42] <tsdgeos> Cimi: done
[10:43] <Cimi> tsdgeos, looks like you picked up other branches on the road :(
[10:43] <tsdgeos> Cimi: well i merged with trunk
[10:43] <tsdgeos> that's what you wanted, no?
[10:43] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so why I have now 1421 lines (+578/-219) 26 files modified
[10:43] <tsdgeos> damn
[10:43] <tsdgeos> what happened
[10:44] <Cimi> yeah...
[10:44] <tsdgeos> Cimi: silly me
[10:44] <tsdgeos> let me fix
[10:45] <tsdgeos> Cimi: now
[10:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, approved, thx
[10:54] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i think i've fixed the random failure in testnotification
[10:54] <tsdgeos> s
[10:54] <tsdgeos> i'll put an MR up for review in a sec
[10:54] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, which random failure?
[10:55] <tsdgeos> MacSlow:  qmltestrunner::NotificationRendererTest::test_NotificationRenderer
[10:55] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, got a link to the failure on jenkins you are talking about?
[10:55] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-vivid/475/consoleFull
[10:56] <tsdgeos> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::NotificationRendererTest::test_NotificationRenderer(Ephemeral notification with non-shaped icon) property count
[10:56] <tsdgeos>    Actual   (): 3
[10:56] <tsdgeos>    Expected (): 2
[10:56] <tsdgeos>    Loc: [/tmp/buildd/unity8-8.02+15.04.20150211bzr1601pkg0vivid475/tests/qmltests/Notifications/tst_Notifications.qml(667)]
[10:56] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I've fixed that
[10:56] <tsdgeos> WHERE?
[10:56] <tsdgeos> wops
[10:56] <tsdgeos> sorry :D
[10:57] <tsdgeos> because it's not fixed in trunk
[10:57] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I had that in the swipe-to-dismass branch too...
[10:57] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, it should be in trunk by now
[10:57] <tsdgeos> it is not
[10:57] <tsdgeos> i have it failing
[10:57] <tsdgeos> like 1 out of 10 times
[10:57] <tsdgeos> and i know what's wrong
[10:57] <tsdgeos> just realized my fix is not correct :D
[10:57] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I had 50/50 pass when run unter xvfb
[10:58] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, that was proof enough for me I had it fixed
[10:58] <tsdgeos> sorry ^_^
[10:58] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, let me try current trunk again...
[11:07] <Saviq> paulliu, hey, the assets are there now on bug #1350891, please update your branch and MP it
[11:10] <Cimi> Saviq, cannot reproduce http://people.canonical.com/~cwayne/eb.png
[11:12] <Cimi> unless it's a special case
[11:12] <Cimi> was trying different options in the scope tool
[11:12] <Cimi> reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1414870
[11:13] <Saviq> Cimi, AFAICT, that's not subtitle but attributes
[11:13] <Saviq> as we can only have a single line of subtitle
[11:14] <Cimi> ah ok
[11:14] <Saviq> Cimi, but couldn't reproduce in tryCard, either
[11:15] <Cimi> subtitles I exclude
[11:15] <Cimi> we have text elide
[11:15] <Cimi> so unles the anchoring is messed up... (doubt)
[11:15] <Cimi> I am looking at attributes indeed
[11:17] <Saviq> Cimi, we have elide there, too, but the grid layout might be messing up there
[11:19] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/testNotificationsMoreStable/+merge/249625
[11:19] <tsdgeos> oh damned it still failed
[11:20] <tsdgeos> grr
[11:20] <tsdgeos> ignore D:
[11:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, ok
[11:22] <tsdgeos> ahh, i see the problem
[11:23] <tsdgeos> the previous notification is changed from expanded to contracted when adding a new one
[11:23] <tsdgeos> need to also wait for that anymation to finish before we start clicking
[11:23] <tsdgeos> otherwise clicks will be in the wrong position
[11:24] <Saviq> greyback, hey, we're not going anywhere on bug #1365673 these days are we?
[11:26] <greyback> Saviq: nope, I can't repro it
[11:26] <Saviq> greyback, can you please comment on the bug, asking for anyone who *can* to come forward
[11:27] <Cimi> Saviq, only thing I noticed is that there seems to be some space on the left of those cards
[11:27] <Cimi> Saviq, that I cannot do in tryCard
[11:28] <paulliu> Saviq: ok..  got it
[11:28] <Cimi> Saviq, I am wondering if we have cards shifted and Beijing actually fits in the cards dimension
[11:28] <Saviq> Cimi, ah wait, checking one more thing
[11:29] <Saviq> Cimi, ok no, can't repro either
[11:30] <Saviq> Cimi, I wonder if the string has some non-breaking spaces or such
[11:30] <Saviq> that brake the ellipsis
[11:31] <Cimi> Saviq, what could be the spacing on the left?
[11:31] <Cimi> padding/margin
[11:31] <Saviq> Cimi, good question, I wonder if this is vivid vs. rtm
[11:38] <Cimi> tedg, I tried the NearBy scope: how do you feel? "I'm bored/stressed", first result "weather from the weather channel" showing me three days of dark clouds and rain. FML
[11:44] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I don't think we're setting sourceSize for the manage dash images of scopes
[11:44] <Cimi> I cannot see in the code unless I missed sth
[11:45] <Cimi> they look all scaled down but fullres
[11:48] <Cimi> Saviq, meetup scope!!!
[11:49] <Cimi> and bug is in both vivid and rtm
[11:50] <tsdgeos> Cimi: may bbe
[11:51] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ok, now https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/testNotificationsMoreStable/+merge/249625
[11:59] <Cimi> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/scopeslist-sourcesize/+merge/249629
[12:00] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ok, i'll review
[12:00] <Cimi> tsdgeos, only doubt I have is using units or doing shape.width/height
[12:01] <tsdgeos> the less hardcoded the better
[12:02] <tsdgeos> i'd vote for share.width
[12:02] <Cimi> ok
[12:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, can I help with silo 0 somehow?
[12:04] <Cimi> tsdgeos, done
[12:14] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, hm... getting core dumps here at the moment from qmltests...
[12:14] <tsdgeos> ?
[12:15] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, OpenGL-problems...
[12:15] <MacSlow> brb
[12:20] <Cimi> Saviq, is vertical journal
[12:20] <Saviq> Cimi, oh
[12:20] <Saviq> too much padding on the left, eh?
[12:21] <Cimi> Saviq, looks like is not centered
[12:21] <Cimi> Saviq, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10203723/
[12:21] <Cimi> you can add art and stuff
[12:22] <Saviq> Cimi, I'm sure you'll find the fix ;)
[12:22] <Cimi> sure, I just shared :)
[12:30] <robertopero> Hi all! I would like to try Unity 8 (Ubuntu Desktop Next) on my computer, but when it starts the login panel is out of screen. See this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nn0tvbvjsxwu821/unity8.jpg?dl=0
[12:30] <robertopero> Any idea how can I fix it?
[12:31] <robertopero> And I can't click anywhere on the screen
[12:33] <Saviq> robertopero, do you have an external screen connected by any chance?
[12:34] <robertopero> Saviq: Yes, ouch, I forgot it, I try to login without it, i will be beack :)
[12:35] <Saviq> robertopero, yeah, we don't do external screens that well yet :)
[12:35] <Saviq> it's coming
[12:40] <Cimi> cannot reproduce here anymore :(
[12:41] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, you branch works on my regular/faster desktop-machine... currently getting it to run (under xvfb) on my slower laptop to verify
[12:41] <robertopero> Saviq: Thanks, this was the problem
[12:42] <Saviq> robertopero, great
[12:42] <robertopero> but i have an other problem, how can I change the keyboars layout?
[12:45] <Saviq> robertopero, go to the settings app, you can select the available layouts there
[12:46] <robertopero> Saviq: Yes I tried that, but there is no layout there
[12:46] <robertopero> can I install a terminal?
[12:46] <Saviq> robertopero, you might want to install the corresponding ubuntu-keyboard-* package
[12:47] <Saviq> robertopero, or just install "ubuntu-touch" to get everything users get on our touch images
[12:47] <Saviq> robertopero, there is no official terminal package for arches other than armhf
[12:47] <Saviq> yet
[12:48] <robertopero> Saviq: Okay, but how I install something without a terminal?
[12:48] <Saviq> robertopero, ctrl+alt+f1 to go to another vt
[12:48] <Saviq> robertopero, your unity8 session is on f8
[12:49] <robertopero> Saviq: Oh, thanks
[12:49] <Saviq> robertopero, in general you'll have apps available in the Ubuntu Store, once they are packaged correctly for non-armhf arches
[12:49] <Saviq> there are a few already
[12:50] <Saviq> just scroll down in the Apps page or swipe from the bottom if on touch-enabled device
[12:50] <Saviq> biab
[13:04] <berz3rk> Hello
[13:04] <berz3rk> can I ask here about Unity Next?
[13:04] <berz3rk> Can I use it on a bumblebee setup, meaning can I utilize my nvidia graphics??
[13:27] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, approved
[13:27] <tsdgeos> tx
[13:41] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Hey, I have a question about the qtmir update to event 2.0 branch.
[13:41] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: shoot
[13:42] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: I have a package that includes the port, but some things don't seem to work such as touchpad gestures and being able to click on anything in the Panel.  This is for desktop.
[13:42] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: I saw you have a new branch.  Would this maybe address these issues?
[13:43] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: new branch doesn't change anything functionally, was just to fix a branching weirdness
[13:43] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: toughpad gestures need support in Mir, which isn't there yet
[13:43] <greyback> clicking on panel however should work as before
[13:43] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Touchpad gestures work fine using the qtmir in the archive.
[13:44] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Hmm, maybe the package is screwed up somehow....
[13:44] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: ok, I didn't know that
[13:44] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: I don't think anyone really tested that branch with unity8
[13:45] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Ah, ok.  So maybe it's a work in progress?
[13:45] <greyback> it could be that unity8 was relying on all input being touch (current situation), and the event2.0 stuff distinguishes mouse from touch
[13:46] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: yeah. It needs testing on desktop before we can consider landing it
[13:46] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Oh, right, that makes sense.  So some updates in Unity 8 would be needed to support the touch vs. mouse.  Any ways, that's not really important.  It's the clicking on the Panel that is more worrisome.
[13:47] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: yeah, panel may only react to touch events right now, hence it ignores mouse events
[13:47] <greyback> which would require a unity8 fix
[13:48] <greyback> but design wise, using a mouse to drag down the panel is pretty lousy UX design
[13:48] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Yeah, ok.  Good news is with the event 2.0 qtmir branch, mouse clicks work in Xmir windows:)
[13:48] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Yes, using a mouse to drag that down on the desktop is lousy.
[13:49] <anpok> it could be worse..
[13:49] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: cool, at least xmir sees benefit
[13:49] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: But not being able to interact with the Panel at all is even worse;-)
[13:49] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: Anyways, thanks.
[13:49] <pstolowski> Saviq, tsdgeos hey, is there anything else you need from me wrt landing of fix-temp fix? i'll be off next week
[13:49] <anpok> you could have finger tip sized tools that you have to grab with your mouse and move around the screen and right click configure what that finger is currently doing
[13:49] <greyback> ChrisTownsend: it'll be fixed
[13:50] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: all should be fine afaics
[13:50] <ChrisTownsend> greyback: I have the upmost confidence that it will be.
[13:58] <tedg> Cimi, I think your phone is trying to convince you to kill yourself. Be careful man.
[13:59] <tedg> Showing London weather like that. Cruel!
[14:01] <kgunn> Saviq: can you elaborate on the architecture change mentioned here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1352251/comments/21
[14:01] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ack, thanks
[14:11] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ping
[14:20] <Saviq> kgunn, want me to do it on the bug or can I just explain here?
[14:21] <kgunn> Saviq: bug i guess would be better for all (...and my super-power of forgetfulness :)
[14:21] <Saviq> pstolowski, I'll be landing it today, we'll find out soon enough
[14:32] <berz3rk> I cant use the unity 8 live iso
[14:32] <berz3rk> I just cant login
[14:33] <berz3rk> I tried to add a new user, use the empty password default user
[14:33] <Saviq> kgunn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1352251/comments/23
[14:33] <berz3rk> nothing happens, I cant get off that lightdm shit
[14:33] <Saviq> berz3rk, what GPU do you use?
[14:33] <berz3rk> at the third try it just disables key input... whai
[14:33] <berz3rk> Saviq: virtualbox
[14:33] <Saviq> berz3rk, not supported yet
[14:33] <berz3rk> ok, can I use nouveau
[14:34] <berz3rk> I have a nvidia graphics cards which is supported
[14:34] <Saviq> berz3rk, nouveau should work I believe, you can confirm with folks in #ubuntu-mir
[14:36] <pstolowski> Saviq, ok, thanks
[14:38] <berz3rk> Saviq: no response
[14:38] <Saviq> berz3rk, give it a few mins :)
[14:38] <tsdgeos> MacSlow|lunch: top approve? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/testNotificationsMoreStable/+merge/249625
[14:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you said you were doing a landing today? maybe we can ↑ ?
[14:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sure
[14:40] <berz3rk> I want nvidia binary support for mir >_>
[14:40] <berz3rk> or i cant use it
[14:40] <Saviq> berz3rk, talk to your GPU vendor ;)
[14:40] <berz3rk> nvidia said its coming
[14:40] <berz3rk> >_>
[14:43] <paulliu> Saviq: updated the branch. But got FTBFS http://paste.ubuntu.com/10205488/
[14:43] <paulliu> Saviq: I'm checking.
[14:44] <Saviq> paulliu, you need newer unity-api
[14:44] <paulliu> Saviq: got it. Let me upgrade my phone.
[14:46] <berz3rk> ubuntu phone came too late..
[14:46] <berz3rk> in the meantime i got a firefox os and a new iphone
[14:46] <berz3rk> one year ago i wanted to buy this 500€ ubuntu phone from canonical but than they canceled it
[14:50] <Saviq> Cimi, lp:~cimi/unity8/fix-open-new-scope-from-tmp needs a bump of libunity-api-dev to >= 7.96
[14:50] <Saviq> berz3rk, we didn't cancel it, we didn't get enough pledges to make it happen
[14:51] <kgunn> Saviq: thanks
[14:51] <berz3rk> Saviq: several million are not enough.. ok
[14:51] <Saviq> berz3rk, to build a phone from scratch? yeah, it's not
[14:52] <Cimi> Saviq, ok
[14:53] <Cimi> Saviq, done
[14:55] <Saviq> Cimi, thanks
[15:05] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, there you go
[15:43] <Saviq> josharenson, let me know please when the branch is good again
[15:43] <josharenson> Saviq: almost done, just wanna test it real quick
[15:44] <Saviq> kk
[15:53] <josharenson> Saviq: do you happen to know why the PowerKeyHandler::handle function always returns false?
[15:53] <Saviq> josharenson, no, sorry
[15:53]  * josharenson assumes there is a good reason
[15:58] <josharenson> Saviq: I can't build trunk on desktop (meaning I can't build my own branch now) as there is a compiler error. I'll try on the device and maybe ask in #mir
[16:02] <Saviq> josharenson, compiler error?
[16:03] <josharenson> Saviq: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10206499/
[16:04] <Saviq> hum
[16:04]  * Saviq tries
[16:04] <Saviq> josharenson, built fine here, you got a clean build dir?
[16:06] <josharenson> Saviq: yeah, i did a clean-tree and double checked the deps... looking deeper
[16:07] <Saviq> josharenson, you on fully updated vivid? the last changes in usc were to update it to mir 0.11 APIs
[16:07] <josharenson> Saviq: :-p probably the issue
[16:33] <Saviq> pstolowski, do we have a bug for 1421695 already by any chance?
[16:34] <Saviq> bug #1421695
[16:43] <pstolowski> Saviq, nope, I don't know of any. nb, the branch you linked provides new api only, scopes need to be updated to benefit from it
[16:43] <Saviq> pstolowski, sure, let me add a unity8 task, too, so that we finally provide the status banner
[16:47] <Saviq> Cimi, merge trunk in lp:~cimi/unity8/fix-open-new-scope-from-tmp please
[17:05] <Cimi> Saviq, pushed
[17:06] <Saviq> Cimi, thank you
[17:10] <josharenson> Saviq: conflicts resolved, and tests ok manually
[17:14] <Saviq> josharenson, thanks
[17:16] <Saviq> josharenson, did you push https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-018-1-build/93/console ?
[17:19] <josharenson> Saviq: hang on, fixing
[17:20]  * josharenson pours this morning's first cup of coffee to try and make things smoother
[17:20] <Saviq> it merged fine now
[17:20] <Saviq> josharenson, ↑
[17:20] <josharenson> oh ok
[17:20] <Saviq> must be I kicked the branch too early
[17:20] <Saviq> s/branch/build/
[17:21] <josharenson> Saviq: hang on, there is an issue
[17:21] <Saviq> josharenson, - g++-4.9, that looks wrong
[17:21] <josharenson> exactly what I'm undoing
[17:21] <josharenson> Saviq: ok, restored
[17:23] <Saviq> ok, building, o/


[02:15] <Takyoji> Heh, apparently there's an addon campaign for Left 4 Dead 2 which is modeled closely after Duluth: http://left4duluth.com/
[08:24] <Takyoji> http://video.linux.com/video/1975 :P


 22.1
[00:19] <kc2bez[m]> 22.10? And what were you trying to install?
 Trying to install a crypto called cloakcoin core wallet (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> 22.10? And what were you trying to install?)
[00:57] <kc2bez[m]> @AngryAutos were there instructions for Ubuntu 22.10?
[01:13] <dal2> Gonna file my bug report. What's a graphical file manager similar PCManFM-Qt? Testing another one would help me narrow down where the problem is.
 What you get is whats on cloaks website which is not much (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> @AngryAutos were there instructions for Ubuntu 22.10?)
 The admins on cloak telegram know nothing anyway
 So what do I do for just one app? (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> If you need a newer glibc for just one app, that can be done.)
 How do I know what cloak devs intended to install or not? (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: Usually the way to do that is to find and install all of the build dependencies (there will be a lot of "-dev" packages involved most likely).)
 There are no instructions (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: What instructions are you following?)
 https://wiki.cloakcoin.com/index.php/Install_the_Cloakcoin_Client#Installation_of_the_Precompiled_Linux_Edition (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: Where did you get the source code?)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/82e798c9/file_9586.jpg
 They said to install libcur13 which resulted in this after that I was not able to install the wallet
 Ridiculous
 Wish they would clarify that
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0aa861f2/file_9587.jpg
 I drop and drag cloak qt into terminal hit enter and this is what I get and installing libcurl4 did nothing
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e6ffa747/file_9588.jpg
 Got it
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/40baeedd/file_9589.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e7592a56/file_9590.jpg
 No such file in directory
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/87326058/file_9591.jpg
 So glibc_private again
[03:05] <arraybolt3> It looks like your app is supposed to have a custom libc contained with it possibly? Did you delete any files out of the extracted folder?
 Nope
[03:05] <arraybolt3> (also, sorry if my nick looks weird, I switched chat clients)
 Yeah its whatever
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Yeah, then I'm out of ideas. And if the CloakCoin people are out of ideas too, then I'm not sure how to proceed.
 So there's no way to find out where to get this custom library? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Yeah, then I'm out of ideas. And if the CloakCoin people are out of ideas too, then I'm not sure how to proceed.)
 Why would they say to install libcurl?
[03:08] <arraybolt3> It should have been included with CloakCoin AFAICT. Perhaps the devs accidentally shipped a buggy version of the app, I don't know.
[03:08] <arraybolt3> (libcurl is, I beileve, used for doing stuff like downloading info.)
[03:08] <arraybolt3> (Some part of their app probably needs it and it's not always present on all Ubuntu installations.)
 Is the GLIBC PRIVATE available on any other Ubuntu installs? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> (Some part of their app probably needs it and it's not always present on all Ubuntu installations.))
[03:20] <arraybolt3> Not that I'm aware of.
 So the devs wrote a library specific to cloak and then didn't include it?
[03:32] <arraybolt3> Maybe? That's what it looks like might have happened, though I'm not sure.
 Maybe it's a bug, as it happens with this software
[03:32] <arraybolt3> Or perhaps they had a newer version of glibc that was supposed to be shipped alongside and then forgot to include it? I don't really know. Probably *don't* accuse them of being forgetful and shipping a broken product, that will just make them mad :P
 https://community.synopsys.com/s/question/0D52H00006P7CoHSAV/i-am-trying-to-install-vcs-vcsvt202206sp2-on-an-ubuntu-2204-machine-and-i-am-running-into-this-errorlibx8664linuxgnulibpthreadso0-version-glibcprivate-not-found-required-by-pathsynopsysvcst202206sp2linux64binvcs1
 Same error
[03:45] <dal2> Can anyone please tell me a graphical file manager similar to PCManFM-Qt?
[04:01] <arraybolt3> dal2: Is PCManFM-Qt not working for some reason? What flavor of Ubuntu are you trying to install it on?
[04:01] <arraybolt3> (There are lots of file managers out there, probably the most similar one would be just plain-old pcmanfm, I would guess.)
[04:01] <dal2> arraybolt3: What's another in addition to pcmanfm ?
[04:02] <arraybolt3> It depends on what you mean by "similar" and what your needs are.
[04:02] <arraybolt3> Two that I can think of off the top of my head are Thunar and Caja.
[04:02] <dal2> arraybolt3: I think I have a bug, so I'm trying to confirm that it's caused by pcmanfm-qt which I think it is
[04:02] <arraybolt3> (One is from XFCE, the other from MATE.)
[04:02] <dal2> arraybolt3: I've used Nautilus before, seems Ubuntu ships with Nautilus, I might try that
[04:02] <arraybolt3> dal2: Hmm, what's the bug?
[04:03] <arraybolt3> I help develop Lubuntu and might be able to figure out which component is causing it.
[04:03] <arraybolt3> You could also just file the bug against pcmanfm-qt in Ubuntu and we can try to figure it out from there.
[04:03] <dal2> arraybolt3: In the previous version of Lubuntu, and in all earlier versions I've used for years, I live boot and then use the file manager to decrypt my LUKS-encrypted HDD.
[04:04] <dal2> arraybolt3: When I decrypt -- whether I use "forget password immediately" or "remember password for this session" or "remember forever" -- the file manager lets me navigate around the subdirectories of the decrypted HDD, yay, functional!
[04:05] <dal2> arraybolt3: Suddenly with 23.04, it not longer works. I can input the password successfully, and it decrypts and shows me the HDD's label correctly, but I'm not allowed to navigate around the root directory or subdirectory of the decrypted HDD
[04:05] <arraybolt3> Oy.
[04:05] <arraybolt3> That's almost certainly in pcmanfm-qt, then.
[04:06] <arraybolt3> There's no other "decryptor" code in LXQt that I know of.
[04:06] <dal2> arraybolt3: With 23.04, if I input passphrase/decrypt with "Remember forever", the error message is "An operation is already pending"
[04:06] <dal2> With 23.04, if I input passphrase/decrypt with "Forget password immediately" or "remember password for this session", I get another error message that mentions permissions, but user error here, I haven't written it down yet but will do so prior to filing bug report
[04:07] <dal2> arraybolt3: I would try cryptsetup, but I don't remember the syntax and don't want to accidentally ruin my not-backed-up-recently HDD's permissions. So I will try nautilus
[04:07] <arraybolt3> Ok. Run "ubuntu-bug pcmanfm-qt" in a terminal and follow the directions (you will need to either sign into or create an Ubuntu One account). That will let you report the bug. Describe what you did, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead (like you just did for me), and then post it. That will help us have it in a list of "look into this" thingies so we can try and help fix it.
[04:07] <dal2> arraybolt3: Also, thanks for developing Lubuntu. I've been using it for several years and really appreciate it. <3
[04:07] <arraybolt3> :) Thanks!
[04:09] <dal2> arraybolt3: My suspicion in laymen's terms is that somehow, PCManFM-Qt is no longer, in 23.04, transferring/assigning/allotting "permissions" for the decrypted HDD to the lubuntu live user. I bet if I used cryptsetup -- and I have the syntax saved in a .txt somewhere -- it would work, same with Nautilus I'm guessing, and that would pinpoint
[04:09] <dal2> PCManFM-Qt
 So in other words the symbols used in older programs are not included in the updated libs on newer distros of Ubuntu and programs like cloak would work on older distros of Linux? (re @Roberalz: https://community.synopsys.com/s/question/0D52H00006P7CoHSAV/i-am-trying-to-install-vcs-vcsvt202206sp2-on-an-ubuntu-2204-machine-and-i-am-running-into-this-errorlibx8664linuxgnulibpthreadso0-version-glibcprivate-not-found-required-by-pathsynop
 What would be a work around for that downgrade to an old lib?
[04:13] <arraybolt3> dal2: I don't think PCManFM-Qt has the rights to do any transfer of permissions. I'm not sure why it would fail, though, so we'll have to look into it and find out.
[04:13] <arraybolt3> The fact that it used to work and now doesn't should make this easy though - just "git bisect" and do some recompiles, that should find the exact piece of code that broke it. So long as we can reproduce the issue, that's something we can do on our end.
[04:13] <dal2> arraybolt3: Yup, no need for suspicions when I get a good bug report filed for you all. Tonight or tomorrow at the latest. I see, 'git bisect' must be the dev equivalent of enduser $ diff     :)
[04:15] <arraybolt3> dal2: Heh, maybe. git bisect basically lets you say "The code worked here, and it stopped working here. So give me the state the code was in somewhere between those two so I can recompile it and see if it works or not." You just keep marking "works" or "doesn't work" changes until it tells you "This particular change broke things."
[04:17] <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: If this app does work on older versions of Lubuntu, I'd just run it in a virtual machine with that older version.
[04:18] <arraybolt3> Like run Lubuntu 23.04 on your physical system and 22.04 in a VM, maybe.
 Any good VM you recommend? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Like run Lubuntu 23.04 on your physical system and 22.04 in a VM, maybe.)
[04:20] <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: I personally have found GNOME Boxes to be nice, even on Lubuntu. You can install it with "sudo apt install gnome-boxes".
[04:20] <arraybolt3> (There's also virt-manager but that can be a bit trickier. Please save yourself the hassle and possible data loss and avoid VirtualBox.)
[04:21] <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: While you're right here, I see you're using Lubuntu 22.10. Lubuntu 23.04 was released just recently, and 22.10 goes end-of-life in about three months, after which point it will stop receiving updates and support. You may want to consider upgrading to 23.04 before then.
 How do I update? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: While you're right here, I see you're using Lubuntu 22.10. Lubuntu 23.04 was released just recently, and 22.10 goes end-of-life in about three months, after which point it will stop receiving updates and support. You may want to consider upgrading to 23.04 before then.)
[04:24] <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html
[04:27] <guiverc> fyi: I'd recommend reading the release notes first; https://lubuntu.me/lunar-released/
 Any chance of this upgrade working with cloak? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html)
[04:42] <guiverc> what cloak?  (sorry being on IRC I'm thinking of the IRC cloak, which doesn't apply...)
 This cloak coin wallet I am trying to get working (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> what cloak?  (sorry being on IRC I'm thinking of the IRC cloak, which doesn't apply...))
[04:47] <guiverc> sorry; I only got home & thus haven't read back ^  (i responded only to what I saw which was the update question)
 If not I guess I will try to install it on vm (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> sorry; I only got home & thus haven't read back ^  (i responded only to what I saw which was the update question))
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d83e328c/file_9592.jpg
[04:58] <guiverc> I'd click OK, then switch to a text terminal (you can open one, or ctrl+alt+f4 & kill xscreensaver using `killall xscreensaver`).
[04:59] <guiverc> The error message is warning you that if xscreensaver runs, you maybe unable to unlock the session using xscreensaver itself (you can just use the text terminal [ctrl+alt+f4 type session] to kill it though..)
[04:59] <guiverc> you can ignore it if you'll remain on the machine & prevent it from starting xscreensaver (hitting shift etc), but I'd just kill it.
 Like this?
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/bb800701/file_9593.jpg
[05:01] <guiverc> yep.
 Ok
[05:49] <J1D> Can Lubuntu be installed with Wayland instead of X11? (I actually want this because of gestures, so may be there are other ways?)
[06:29] <Nick63> there is a problem while installing lubuntu
[06:36] <guiverc> J1D, Lubuntu only support LXQt or the Xorg version.. LWQt (early/unofficial name of wayland ver was still not deemed ready for prime time; we'll look at it with 23.10 probably
[07:31] <J1D> guiverc: thanks for the info!
[16:21] <cmb11195> So ive run into an error and looking online to solve it has gotten me nowhere. anyone toyed with the lubuntu LXQT version enough to take a stab and trying to help me figure out what kind of madness ive gotten myself into
[16:33] <kc2bez[m]> cmb11195: this is the Lubuntu support channel, go ahead and ask your question.
[16:42] <cmb11195> so got onmy computer and I had to boot it from the grub. after getting to the login point; I login and nothing. like the regular ubuntu login loop issue. Tried going down that rabbit hole of problems and solutions. noting will end the loop. Getting error notifications about xcb detected but not functioning when I go into the ctl+alt+f3 terminal
[16:42] <cmb11195> login and try opening any applications that way. my Lubuntu user sessions wont work, nor the LXQT ones. Openbox logs in opens my emails and my windscibe vpn but nothing else is accessible. all file not found errors. when I attempt to login its acts sucessful. goes black and two seconds later back at login with no user level notifications
[16:44] <cmb11195> kc2bez[m] ^
[16:46] <kc2bez[m]> Is this on a fresh install? If so which version?
[16:49] <cmb11195> no its not a fresh one. Ive been using Lubuntu for about 2 years. I'm in a bootable usb on the desktop thats having the issues. give me a moment and ill find my distro info.
[16:51] <kc2bez[m]> OK, since you have had it for a bit make sure you have space in your home directory.
[16:55] <cmb11195> this is the output im getting and I have no idea why its saying im running ubuntu os... shouldnt be a storage related issue. only using 113 gb and still have 124 gb available
[16:56] <cmb11195> uploaded the file so you could see the file path and that even in the files path it says its lubuntu. and yet the document says its ubuntu. not sur ehow you view uploaded files tho
[17:06] <cmb11195> scratch that. not uploading it givng me an error about the document. but it says in /media/lubuntu/problemdesktop/etc/os-release the pretty name is Ubuntu 23.04 (lunar Lobster) Debian distro
[17:24] <cmb11195> upload error: tus failed to create upload, caused by [objectProgressEvent], originated from request (response code:0 response text:)
[17:46] <kc2bez[m]> Lubuntu is Ubuntu so that makes sense. I was really after the version number which you provided. Since you are running 23.04 I assume you updated recently. Did you receive any errors during the update?
[19:03] <cmb11195> no I dont believe so but I'll double check the var/logs/apt file to make sure i didnt miss anything.
[20:13] <cmb11195> well... i dont know how but my /proc /sys/ and /srv files on the desktop partitions are completely empty. even opening a root instance with show hidden files attribute checked there is noting in them. I have found a few different errors in the various  log files. Id upload the ones with errors but its still throwing me an error when I do. I'm
[20:13] <cmb11195> gonna use the ubuntu-bug tool to submit the logs. I dont think its a hardware issue. the computers not even a year old yet. Thanks for the help though
[22:58] <dal2> arraybolt3: I filed two bugs. The first is an annoying behavior of nautilus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/2017452
[22:58] -ubottu:#lubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017452 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "On run, nautilus opens two windows instead of one" [Undecided, New]
[22:59] <dal2> arraybolt3: The second is the pacman decrypt / permissions problem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pacman/+bug/2017453 See especially the comment I left with a convenient summary
[22:59] -ubottu:#lubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017453 in pacman (Ubuntu) "in pacman, permission denied after successful decryption" [Undecided, New]