[19:36] <scott_z> nabam: I had the same problem when I upgraded my kernel a few versions back. Still have not gotten it to work. Bought a usb wifi and it fixed the problem. I reinstalled with the 12.04 cd and it fixed the problem but the minute i ran all the upgrades it stopped working again. Still working on it. Sorry.
[19:37] <herman_> shouldn't the forums be up already?
[19:37] <gunarm> i cant figure out why my file system is mounted so that I need sudo to mount to it
[19:37] <trism> urlwolf: to compile with? look for the -dev packages, such as libx11-dev libxft-dev libfreetype6-dev
[19:37] <gunarm> sorry wrong
[19:38] <urlwolf> trism: nope, tried that
[19:38] <W4sp> gunarm: Whatever you're trying to express you can edit /etc/fstab...?
[19:38] <gunarm> i cant figure out why my file system is mounted so that I need sudo to write to it.  at first I mounted /dev/md0 to /vault with su, then i made a /vault under /media/vault and mouted it with just sudo, still i cant "echo test > /mount/vault/test.txt"
[19:38] <trism> urlwolf: what are you trying to do?
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> devslash: it has both, you'l see 2 entries in dash for it
[19:39] <urlwolf> trism: trying to compile goomwwm, see: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/go/goomwwm/PKGBUILD
[19:40] <gunarm> W4sp, yes, i can edit it, but this isn't listed there since I just mounted it with mount
[19:40] <FreeMansMind> samfromat this is the result of the code u gave me lspci | grep VGA :  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[19:40] <devslash> ActionParsnip: i installed it as far as i can tell it uses python and is a guy only app
[19:40] <trism> urlwolf: built fine here
[19:40] <devslash> gui
[19:41] <urlwolf> trism: what did you do? type $make?
[19:41] <trism> urlwolf: yep just make, what error do you get?
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> devslash: checck:  man bleachbit
[19:41] <urlwolf> for me it says: Package xinerama was not found in the pkg-config search path
[19:41] <tiberio_d> does anyone know why my hdmi sound output wouldn't be listed in sound settings? it shows up lspci as "02:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series]" but in sound settings it's not there, there's only integrated sound card
[19:41] <trism> urlwolf: libxinerama-dev
[19:42] <devslash> ActionParsnip: i did
[19:42] <devslash> the man for bleach bit is very small
[19:42] <urlwolf> trism: thanks!
[19:42] <samfromat> FreeMansMide: It seems you have default intel drivers install for your video card. i think these should work fine.
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> devslash: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net/documentation/command-line
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> devslash: source: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bleachbit+command+line
[19:45] <FreeMansMind> samfromat well I was not sure cause its like Windows 7 works faster then Ubuntu in this netbook. I am so confused. I am afraid of having something wrong. Like running ubuntu in wrong way or something imported is missing dunno.
[19:46] <threex5> Hi, is there any way to boot Ubuntu in 32/64 bit mode? I want to run from a USB, in 64 bit, but be able to run in 32 bit mode if I'm on a 32 bit computer
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> threex5: there are apps to make multiboot USBs
[19:48] <tiberio_d> if ubuntu on your netbook is too slow you could try Lubuntu
[19:49] <threex5> ActionParsnip, thanks. I would like to have all my folders/settings intact, though
[19:49] <threex5> meaning, I would be booting from a 32 or 64 bit kernel, but the desktop would be the same
[19:49] <threex5> I don't know if that's now it works, though.
[19:50] <jc_> well you can try xubuntu or lubuntu, but it depends of your ram
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> threex5: you could have a common /home partition on the USB which would give settings for both boots...
[19:51] <Moonlightning> I'm…really not sure how to describe this other than “the display is messed up” 6_9
[19:51] <cellofellow> threex5: that'd be the way to do it, but'd it be hard to pull off.
[19:51] <Moonlightning> The…colors are all wrong…and…the whole thing has a sort of grainy quality?…
[19:51] <threex5> Well, ActionParsnip was on to something
[19:51] <auronandace> Moonlightning: screenshots to the rescue!
[19:51] <Moonlightning> I can hardly see any of the graphics, or read any of the text…
[19:51] <fggg> hello
[19:52] <Moonlightning> …ah, yes, of cousre.
[19:52] <threex5> and if I use portable linux apps, I could run them out of the home partition too
[19:52] <amir__> hello
[19:52] <Moonlightning> Hang on.
[19:52] <fggg> I have a problem with wine,can I tell?
[19:52] <Guest9431> yes..
[19:52] <threex5> what do you folks recommend? Is it worth running 64 bit?
[19:52] <auronandace> !wine | fggg
[19:52] <Moonlightning> …agh, how do I take a screenshot?
[19:52] <threex5> I figure if I have a 64 bit desktop and laptop, I'm wasting CPU not to
[19:52] <Guest9431> best gnome distro?
[19:52] <Guest9431> like chkra
[19:52] <FreeMansMind> tiberio_d what is missing in Lubuntu? I mean what makes it work faster?
[19:52] <OerHeks> Moonlight hit the printscreen button
[19:53] <auronandace> threex5: if your hardware supports it then there is little reason not to run 64bit
[19:53] <Moonlightning> Don't have one.
[19:53] <jagginess> anyone has tried desura?
[19:53] <Moonlightning> This is an old PowerBook G4…
[19:53] <Moonlightning> screenshots in OS X are just shift-command-3
[19:53] <OerHeks> Moonlightning, type screenshot in dash
[19:53] <samfromat> :FreeMansMing: There shouldn't be any problem with your video card drivers. tell what problems are you facing.
[19:54] <threex5> auronandace: right. The only reason I can see is that I'm running on a USB stick so I might want to boot off a computer that's not 64, once in a while.
[19:55] <tiberio_d> FreeMansMind Lubuntu uses LXDE instead of GNOME
[19:55] <auronandace> threex5: then you'll want to stick to 32, since it will work on both
[19:55] <fggg> sorry,is there a irc chanell about wine?
[19:55] <fggg> sorry,is there a irc chanell about wine?
[19:55] <FreeMansMind> samfromat; No specific trouble here. It's just acting like Windows, Maybe I dreamed wrong about ubuntu, dunno. I was expecting faster and lighter moves. Folders are not opening faster then Windows can.
[19:55] <auronandace> fggg: #winehq
[19:56] <fggg> always in freenod?
[19:56] <auronandace> fggg: yes, its on freenode
[19:56] <FreeMansMind> its just only faster on starting pc. or shutting down. Rest is acting just like Windows. this is why I am thinking that something might be wrong. dunno
[19:57] <samfromat> FreeMansMind:Thats definitely not a video card issue. how long are you using ubuntu?
[19:58] <skorv> hello
[19:58] <FreeMansMind> samfromat been used old version for a month but the last version is since yesterday
[19:58] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: perhaps you need to try a lighter weight desktop environment. unity is fairly heavy.
[19:59] <xuserr> hello
[19:59] <Moonlightning> The screenshot doesn't seem to reflect the issue, except for the wallpaper.
[20:00] <Moonlightning> Which…is that /supposed/ to be like that?…
[20:00] <threex5> auronandace: how much of a performance hit do you take running 32 bit ubuntu on a 64 bit machine?
[20:00] <skorv> strugling with full disk encryption and dual boot dont know where to install grub (cannot be /dev/sda)
[20:00] <threex5> I don't really see the difference
[20:00] <Moonlightning> In any case, just imagine the /whole thing/ looks like the wallpaper. XD
[20:00] <Moonlightning> hang on…
[20:00] <threex5> but I don't know what I'm looking for either
[20:00] <samfromat> FreeMansMide: as crimsonmane told you, use another envionment or in my opinion try other ubuntu derivatives, best choice maybe something like linux mint.
[20:00] <tiberio_d> the main difference with 32 bit os on 64 bit computer would be ram limit
[20:01] <xuserr> does anyone know a alternative to tor,browser? a program used to change ip for linux ?
[20:01] <auronandace> threex5: i think it depends on what you are doing, everyday use i would say is negligable
[20:01] <xuserr> tor browser*
[20:01] <Moonlightning> xuserr: there are TOR clients for Linux
[20:01] <FreeMansMind> crimsonmane: shall I try Gnome?
[20:01] <TaJMoX> Does anyone here use rhythmbox with a mp3 player (not Android or iPod) ?
[20:02] <xuserr> i want another program like tor
[20:02] <threex5> ok. The most resource-intensive thing I would run on it would be gimp
[20:02] <threex5> if that gives you any idea
[20:02] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: Lubuntu
[20:02] <threex5> The most ambitious think I would like to do with it is run Reaper through wine
[20:02] <auronandace> threex5: then you won't notice a difference
[20:02] <threex5> but I use 32 bit reaper anyway
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> xuserr: could use a vpn
[20:02] <threex5> ok
[20:02] <FreeMansMind> samfromat can I do anything with mint that I do in ubuntu?
[20:02] <crimsonmane> you can do anything on mint that you can do in ubuntu
[20:03] <xuserr> ActionParsnip: xuserr: could use a vpn ?
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> xuserr: why do you need tor?
[20:03] <threex5> great I'm glad I asked. I'm looking at the ubuntu website now and getting mixed messages about installing to USB
[20:03] <xuserr> yes
[20:03] <Mothra> How do I fix the promisions on my ubuntu account I have some files that I do not have promissions for even after running chown command of the entire home folder in terminal as sudo anyone able to help me
[20:03] <threex5> Can I not simply burn a disc, boot from it, then install my partitions to usb like I would any other drive?
[20:03] <crimsonmane> Mothra: you're not supposed to run chown like that. you broke it. reinstall.
[20:04] <xuserr> my ip is banned on some irc networks
[20:04] <auronandace> threex5: yes
[20:04] <samfromat> FreeMansMind:You can do everything with mint. in fact you can do anything in every linux distro.
[20:04] <FreeMansMind> Can't disable Unity?
[20:04] <xuserr> so i want a program to change my ip
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> FreeMansMind: install a different shell or desktop and it won't be loaded
[20:04] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: log out, click the gear icon next to your name, and select 2d mode
[20:04] <Moonlightning> Imagine the /entire/ screen has an overlay like the wallpaper here: http://cl.ly/IqDo
[20:05] <macmartine> How do I keep ubuntu from emailing the admin email with certain log messages? It keeps emailing me for some things that I want to ignore
[20:05] <Dr_Willis> hm
[20:05] <auronandace> threex5: make sure you select the right drive to put the bootloader on too
[20:05] <FreeMansMind> let me try
[20:06] <graingert> is there an application that shows all the GTK widgets?
[20:06] <graingert> as a test page
[20:06] <Mothra> crimsonmane how do I fix my promissions then?
[20:06] <FreeMansMind> before doing this is there a TAsk Mgr that I can see CPU and RAM usages
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> FreeMansMind: htop or top
[20:07] <samfromat> FreeMansMind: yes, System Monitor shows that.
[20:08] <crimsonmane> Mothra: reinstall. i am sorry, there's no other way
[20:08] <Mothra> What is the package called?
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> FreeMansMind, what desktop do you want?
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> FreeMansMind: if you install Xubuntu, Kubuntu or Lubuntu it won't even be installed
[20:08] <Advocated> Anyone aware of any software to allow iphone/appstore development on ubuntu?
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> FreeMansMind: free -m    will show RAM
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> FreeMansMind: top -n 1    will show CPU
[20:10] <FreeMansMind> Well it uses between %35 - 45 of CPU
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> FreeMansMind: LXDE is super light, as is XFCE
[20:12] <linda> ciao
[20:12] <Moonlightning> O.o
[20:12] <FreeMansMind> ActionParsnip:  what do u mean with: FreeMansMind: if you install Xubuntu, Kubuntu or Lubuntu it won't even be installed
[20:12] <linda> !list
[20:12] <Mothra> crimsonmane what is the package called and will reinstalling chown fix  my issue?
[20:12] <Num83rGuy> I removed pulse audio and now use ALSA because pulse was giving me lots of problems.  I now don't have sound in Chrome. Does any one know how to fix this?
[20:12] <crimsonmane> Mothra: i mean reinstall your ubuntu
[20:12] <Moonlightning> Mothra: `chown` is a coreutil
[20:13] <raven> how to mount partitions of a raw diskdump?
[20:13] <graingert> Num83rGuy: install pulse audio
[20:13] <Moonlightning> If you don't have a `chown`, I don't know what to tell you. XD
[20:13] <Moonlightning> Try `/bin/chown` and double-check your $PATH?
[20:13] <Mothra> crimsonmane I can reinstall but how will that correct my promission of files in my home folder
[20:13] <Num83rGuy> graingert: Ha, ha.
[20:14] <wilee-nilee> FreeMansMind, Those releases can be installed by themselves by downloading their ISO's
[20:14] <crimsonmane> Mothra: i suppose you can delete your user account and create a new one... that would be faster
[20:14] <graingert> Num83rGuy: seriously pulse is basically hot to do audio
[20:14] <Moonlightning> Deleting an account to change permissions? O.o
[20:14] <Moonlightning> Did I miss something?
[20:14] <Mothra> no
[20:14] <Mothra> moonlightning
[20:14] <Mothra> Im not deleting personal files
[20:14] <crimsonmane> i chown'd his entire home folder
[20:14]  * Moonlightning blinks
[20:14] <crimsonmane> not i... i meant he
[20:15] <Moonlightning> Um, `chown` it back? XD
[20:15] <Moonlightning> `chown -R $USER ~`
[20:15] <Mothra> someone told me to on this irc
[20:15] <graingert> s/hot/how/
[20:15] <crimsonmane> a month ago someone chown'd his entire system. BORKED it.
[20:15] <Moonlightning> 6_9
[20:15] <cellofellow> heh, no kidding
[20:16] <cellofellow> *nix, especially when root, gives you a lot of rope to hang yourself.
[20:16] <Num83rGuy> graingert: There are lots of ways to do audio on linux and there are several recent distros thay don't use pulse and work perfectly fine.
[20:16] <Mothra> so just because some personal files are in the promission of some non established account I cant correct them I have to reinstall the entire opperating system again
[20:16] <Moonlightning> Doesn't make sense to me. ^
[20:16] <graingert> Num83rGuy: it's the way to do audio on ubuntu
[20:16] <Mothra> that seems like a huge hassle
[20:16] <graingert> anything else isn't supported
[20:16] <FreeMansMind> well then I should ask a final question. if I install Lubuntu Xbuntu or Kubuntu will they work much faster and with much less RAM and CPU usage when I even run a video in youtube. Or run a couple of program at the same time or open like 10 websites atm.
[20:16] <Moonlightning> Mothra: you can `chown` things owned by a nonexistent account
[20:17] <Moonlightning> Just like you would `chown` anything else.
[20:17] <cellofellow> Mothra: add a new account, an Administrator account, log into that and sudo chown -R youruser ~youruser.
[20:17] <cellofellow> then you can delete the old account
[20:17] <cellofellow> s/old/new/
[20:17] <FreeMansMind> Will be a markable difference between unity and the other one?
[20:17] <Num83rGuy> graingert: Not with my hardware and software setup on my computer, thank you.
[20:18] <graingert> no probley
[20:18] <Mothra> cellofellow by youruser do you mean of the old account or the account I just made to run that command on
[20:18] <graingert> you're welcome
[20:18] <cellofellow> Mothra: old account
[20:18] <samfromat> FreeMansMind: In linux world you can't blindly predict anything but one thing is sure that lxde or xfce will work smoother than unity.
[20:18] <Mothra> the non existant account?
[20:19] <trism> graingert: we have thewidgetfactory in the repo, but it is gtk2 only, https://github.com/valr/awf is a fork for both gtk2 and gtk3
[20:19] <Moonlightning> Mothra: let my clarify that.
[20:19] <cellofellow> Mothra: is that account still in /etc/passwd?
[20:19] <Mothra> its marked as 1001-user#1001
[20:19] <cellofellow> grep 1001 /etc/passwd
[20:19] <Mothra> how do I check?
[20:19] <Dr_Willis> each user has a uid and gid. the files owned by a nonexisting user will show a number in the owner field.
[20:19] <Mothra> cellowfellow
[20:19] <raven> how to decompile  c binaries?
[20:19] <Moonlightning> If your account is called mothra, make a new account (we'll call it new), log into the new account, do `sudo chown -R mothra ~mothra`, then delete 'new'
[20:19] <cellofellow> Mothra: grep 1001 /etc/passwd
[20:19] <FreeMansMind> samfromat just wondering why so many people choosing ubuntu instead of another version that works with lxde. I can not figure it out cause I am so lost about Linux and new
[20:20] <Dr_Willis> lxde is limited and simplufied in some areas
[20:20] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: it's due to lack of being informed.
[20:21] <Dr_Willis> you can install both feskyops if you want
[20:21] <Mothra> cellowfellow that command did nothing, after I run that command can I just take control of the files on my new account?
[20:21] <Mothra> @Moonlightning
[20:21] <cellofellow> Mothra: which did nothing, grep or chown?
[20:21] <Mothra> grep
[20:21] <cellofellow> Mothra: ok, user 1001, whichever it was, is deleted. It needs to be added back.
[20:21] <Moonlightning> Mothra: can you use `sudo` from your current account?
[20:22] <Moonlightning> Mothra: if you can, all this other stuff is completely unnecessary.
[20:22] <Mothra> moonlightning I used it with sudo
[20:22] <Mothra> and my account is adminstrative
[20:22] <Moonlightning> sudo chown $USER ~
[20:22] <Moonlightning> whoops
[20:22] <Moonlightning> sudo chown -R $USER ~
[20:22] <Moonlightning> ^ that should fix it
[20:22] <FreeMansMind> crimsonmane so deleting ubuntu and installing lubuntu or linux mint instead not like deleting Windows 7 and installing WIndows XP to make netbook work faster? Its not installing something less nicer right?
[20:22] <graingert> trism: I need it for quantal :(
[20:22] <Moonlightning> I don't know what all this other stuff is about :V
[20:22] <samfromat> FreeMansMind: if you have noticed, lots of ubuntu users were unhappy with unity interface(including me). but the thing is unity can work out of the box with sufficient ram and video card. and its just the personel interest. you have to try everything and then stick with something that works nice for you.
[20:23] <cellofellow> Mothra: you may need to sudo adduser --uid 1001 youruser yourgroup
[20:23] <cellofellow> if it's not in /etc/passwd
[20:23] <Dr_Willis> i use unity on this box. the wife uses lxde
[20:23] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: if you do mint, you need LXDE
[20:23] <trism> graingert: it doesn't build on quantal?
[20:23] <xangua> (15:20:29) Dr_Willis: lxde is limited and simplufied in some areas - also a 'netbook' is very limited in resources FreeMansMind
[20:23] <graingert> trism: PPA :*
[20:23] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: whatever you do, go with LXDE spin of that distro
[20:23] <graingert> :(*
[20:24] <trism> graingert: oh I just built it, it is pretty straightforward and you don't need to install it
[20:24] <Moonlightning> cellofellow: is that /realy/ necessary?
[20:24] <Dr_Willis> xangua: unity runs well on my 2netbooks
[20:24] <cellofellow> Moonlightning: probably not
[20:24] <FreeMansMind> ok but wich one :)
[20:24] <Moonlightning> cellofellow: then why are you saying to do it? :V
[20:24] <FreeMansMind> Lubuntu or Mint or Kubuntu wich is the best
[20:24] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: try. them. ALL.
[20:24] <Moonlightning> …you know what, I'm just going to test this.
[20:24] <xangua> Dr_Willis: unity runs well on my 4 years old notebook :) no idea why people say it's slow
[20:24] <cellofellow> Moonlightning: I was confused, figured it out.
[20:24] <FreeMansMind> crimsonmane do they all work in USB Drive to test?
[20:24] <Moonlightning> Okay, here we go.
[20:25] <cellofellow> Mothra: what's your current $UID? (echo $UID)
[20:25] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: yes.
[20:25] <Mothra> so I should run the command sudo chown -R $USER ~ with my current user account or with a new one or with the old one that doesnt seem to exist
[20:25] <Dr_Willis> FreeMansMind:  yiu can install the ubuntu.lubuntu and kubuntu desktops on a single install and easially switch
[20:25] <dgsafewright> I am running 12.04  on a macbook pro 8.1
[20:25] <Moonlightning> Mothra: just run that command, no need to do anything else.
[20:25] <Moonlightning> sudo chown -R $USER ~
[20:25] <Mothra> @Moonlightning 1000
[20:25] <Moonlightning> You should be able to direct copypasta it.
[20:25] <dgsafewright> runs better than osx and its supported until 2017...
[20:25] <FreeMansMind> Dr_Willis:  how?
[20:25] <cellofellow> Mothra: I'm with Moonlightning. I'll leave him to help, as I seem to be gumming things up.
[20:26] <graingert> trism: I'm too lasy to compile
[20:26] <Dr_Willis> same as you install anything else.. the pavkage manager
[20:26] <Dr_Willis> FreeMansMind: lubuntu-desktop for lubuntu
[20:26] <dgsafewright> Dr._Willis what are you asking how about?
[20:26] <FreeMansMind> It will ask me to install it alingside to Windows and Ubuntu?
[20:26] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: even better, you can sudo-apt-get lxde-desktop
[20:26] <Moonlightning> Okay.
[20:26] <crimsonmane> or whatever the package is called
[20:26] <Moonlightning> I just tested this.
[20:26] <FreeMansMind> and shrink the partition?
[20:26] <Moonlightning> For the record…
[20:27] <Mothra> @moonlightning says 'sudo chown -R $USER' after running chown: missing operand after `stevesenior'
[20:27] <Mothra> Try `chown --help' for more information.
[20:27] <FreeMansMind> crimsonmane: shall i type it now in terminal?
[20:27] <Moonlightning> Mothra: `sudo chown -R $USER ~`
[20:27] <Moonlightning> missing the tilde at the end
[20:27] <dgsafewright> FreeMansMind you can either wipe your existing OS and use ubuntu or install ubuntu alongside your existing os
[20:27] <Mothra> sorry about the mistake moonlightning
[20:28] <Moonlightning> FOR THE RECORD: If you make an account, `chown` a regular file to that account, then delete the account, you can STILL `chown` the file back. There is NO NEED to recreate the old account, delete ANYTHING, and CERTAINLY not to reinstall all of Ubuntu.
[20:28] <Mothra> @moonlightning getting output, chown: cannot access `/home/stevesenior/.gvfs': Permission denied
[20:28] <FreeMansMind> What I really hate with ubuntu is this heavy feeling when it opens folders and etc but the most thing I hate is the LAuncher BAr
[20:28] <Moonlightning> Mothra: with `sudo`?
[20:28] <Mothra> yes
[20:28]  * Moonlightning blinks
[20:28] <Dr_Willis> !dock | FreeMansMind
[20:28] <Psi-Jack> FreeMansMind: So, what you're saying is, you don't like Unity.
[20:29] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: we're currently in Ubuntu's IRC channel, and i do not wish to disrespect their distro by suggesting Linux Mint LXDE to you, but i might have done exactly that.
[20:29] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu is easy to install on ubuntu
[20:29] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: didyou even try logging out and switching to Unity 2D
[20:29] <crimsonmane> ?
[20:29] <dgsafewright> you have the choice to use different desktop environments
[20:29] <FreeMansMind> crimsonmane:  I will try it all with USB drive.
[20:30] <FreeMansMind> crimsonmane:  no will try now but what is this sudo-apt-get lxde-desktop
[20:30] <FreeMansMind> I wanted to ask before i do
[20:30] <crimsonmane> FreeMansMind: forget that command. don't do it.
[20:30] <dgsafewright> sudo means root
[20:30] <FreeMansMind> ok
[20:30] <crimsonmane> just try 2D mode first
[20:30] <crimsonmane> and come back to us and talk
[20:30] <Moonlightning> Mothra: `ls -ld ~/.gvfs`
[20:30] <dgsafewright> apt-get is ubuntu's command to install
[20:30] <Psi-Jack> heh
[20:30] <Psi-Jack> "2D" mode, yeah.. Still sucks.
[20:30] <dgsafewright> and lxde-desktop is the lxde desktop environment
[20:31] <FreeMansMind> Ok brb then i will try those dock that Dr_Willis  mentioned
[20:31] <Mothra> Moonlightning ls: cannot access /home/stevesenior/.gvfs: Permission denied
[20:31] <SecretFire> is there a way to tell through terminal what kind of connection interface my hdd is?
[20:31] <graingert> crimsonmane FreeMansMind: there will be no Unity 2D in the next version
[20:31] <Mothra> Moonlightning I was using sudo
[20:31] <Moonlightning> `sudo ls -ld ~/.gvfs` gives you permission-denied?
[20:32] <Psi-Jack> graingert: Hmmm, before wayland stabilizes? Worst idea in history.
[20:32] <Mothra> moonlightning yes
[20:32] <graingert> Psi-Jack: not my idea
[20:33] <Psi-Jack> graingert: Yeah... Still the worst idea in history. And I support a lot of what Canonical does, with the exceptions of Unity.
[20:34] <Dr_Willis> wayland is not in the next release default either
[20:34] <brennan> how do you run a dos/windows executable file???
[20:34] <Moonlightning> Mothra: if you're getting a permission-denied as root, I honestly don't know what to tell you…
[20:34] <Moonlightning> Is this ~/.gvfs important to you at all?
[20:34] <Psi-Jack> brennan: dosemu, for dos, wine for Windows.
[20:34] <Mothra> @moonlightning I dont know what .gvfs is to be honest
[20:34] <brennan> how do i do wine?
[20:34] <Psi-Jack> brennan: aptitude install wine
[20:35] <Moonlightning> Ignore the error for now, maybe ask about it later?
[20:35] <Moonlightning> Did you get any other errors?
[20:35] <Psi-Jack> brennan: For further help on wine beyond that, #winehq is your channel.
[20:35] <Dr_Willis> use agt-get instead of aptitude  these days
[20:35] <Advocated> Anyone aware of any software to allow iphone/appstore development on ubuntu?
[20:35] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: Not according to Debian devs.
[20:35] <brennan> Psi-Jack, do i have to do anything besides what your telling me?
[20:35] <Dr_Willis> this is not debian
[20:35] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: you be backwards. ;)
[20:35] <Moonlightning> Advocated: as far as I know, you have to use Xcode.
[20:36] <Dr_Willis> !aptitude
[20:36] <OerHeks> Psi-Jack, only when you run 64 bit, aptitude wrecks your system
[20:36] <Moonlightning> If there's an Xcode port for Ubuntu, great. If not, I guess you're out of luck.
[20:36] <FreeMansMind> crimsonmane:  I am back. 2D look very simple to me... CPU usage wasnt so different. It was about %20
[20:36] <Moonlightning> There's probably something somewhere to get them to expand to Linux, though. Try googling it?
[20:36] <Mothra> Moonlightning are you talking to me when you are refering to getting other error? That is the only output I have gotten from the commands I have run
[20:36] <Advocated> Moonlightning, how about virtualbox type thing with osx on? or same problems?
[20:37] <Moonlightning> Mothra: you should be fine, then, I guess, except for that one directory|file.
[20:37] <FreeMansMind> I may like ubuntu more with different dock maybe.  But when i acess the Boot Menu of BIOS, i choose USB, and instead of loading the Ubuntu Started (The one who lets you choose what to do), he goes straight to the OS and enters it...
[20:39] <AndreP> How can i do, to start the install of Ubuntu 12 again, from the start? Thanks
[20:39] <Moonlightning> Mothra: I honestly don't know. Try googling it?
[20:39] <endafy> yes
[20:39] <Moonlightning> Or maybe Ask Ubuntu?…
[20:39] <Mothra> @moonlightning I will :) thanks again for the help
[20:39]  * Moonlightning yells to the channel in general. “Hay! Anyone know what ~/.gvfs is?!”
[20:39] <Psi-Jack> Moonlightning: Gnome Virtual FileSystem
[20:39]  * Moonlightning introduces Mothra to Psi-Jack and steps out.
[20:40] <zykotick9> Moonlightning: Gnome Virtual File System (fuse-related)
[20:40] <endafy> it skips in games like secret maryo chronicles
[20:40] <Moonlightning> Mothra: there's your answer, I guess… XD
[20:40] <endafy> skips whenever media is played
[20:40] <endafy> its really starting to bug the crap out of me
[20:41] <Mothra>  Thanks Moonlightning :) you are awesome
[20:41] <Moonlightning> You're welcome. ^^
[20:41] <Moonlightning> As far as I know, reinstalling the OS is only for /very extreme/ cases.
[20:41] <AndreP> anyone may help me? its really simple, but i cant find answer for it anywhere
[20:41] <crimsonmane> endafy: what are your computer specs?
[20:42] <Moonlightning> As you've seen today, not even a borked-up `chown` on your home dir is cause for a reinstall. ;)
[20:42] <threex5> Is it OK to format /home as fat32? I would like to be able to get to this partition if I plug my usb into a windows machine
[20:42] <OerHeks> AndreP, insert cd, boot from it, and install starts again.
[20:42] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Do you know what a partition is?
[20:42] <endafy> intel core i7, asus m8x, 24gig ram, 2tb 10krpm sata 3 6gb hdd
[20:42] <endafy> nvidia gtx 680 ti
[20:42] <AndreP> Yes
[20:42] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Do you know what a disk partition is?
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: gvfs is the folder where things like remote server get mounted to
[20:43] <AndreP> you're not understanding, i insert the USB again, and choose on BOOT menu the USB... But instead the menu to install the OS, it starts the OS! and goes to desktop! :/
[20:43] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: I'm understanding perfectly fine.
[20:43] <Moonlightning> Mothra: ~/.gvfs is the folder where things like remote server get mounted to [from ActionParsnip]
[20:43] <AndreP> okay, awesome :) so what can i do?
[20:43] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Is this Ubuntu Server, or Ubuntu Desktop?
[20:43] <Guest98234> hello, how do I install a deb.run file
[20:43] <AndreP> Desktop! ;)
[20:43] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: So your system isn't booting off the USB, then.
[20:44] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Go into BIOS, change boot order to include USB over HDD and/or CD, boot USB.
[20:44] <theDboy> I have seen *.deb files
[20:44] <theDboy> but this is the first time I have come across a deb.run file
[20:44] <AndreP> Yes, it booted when i unnistalled windows 7 for a complete clean install of Ubuntu 12... after 10 minutes i screwed up and i want to reeinstall the Ubuntu... i did exactly the same thing, but instead of entering the Menu of installing, like the first time, it goes straight to the OS
[20:44] <crimsonmane> Moonlightning: reinstall would have been faster, just sayin.
[20:45] <AndreP> ok, will try it again
[20:45] <theDboy> I tried Gdebi and commanline sh, but no dice
[20:45] <theDboy> any ideas?
[20:45] <Moonlightning> crimsonmane: I don't see how reinstalling is faster than `sudo chown -R $USER ~` :P
[20:45] <crimsonmane> Moonlightning: it was when he was here for an hour
[20:46] <Moonlightning> crimsonmane: installing Ubuntu took more than an hour for me
[20:46] <crimsonmane> takes me ten minutes
[20:46] <AndreP> USB is first, but he seems to ignore it, and enters in the OS and goes to the Desktop
[20:46] <Moonlightning> And I think most of that hour was people giving him misinformation. >.>
[20:46] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Then the USB is damaged causing it to fail to boot.
[20:46] <Mothra> moonlight thanks for clearing that up so I need'nt worry about it
[20:46] <Moonlightning> You're welcome *chuckles*
[20:47] <AndreP> that would be possible, if i havnt used it 10 minutes ago to install the Ubuntu XD
[20:47] <AndreP> is there any other thing that may be causing this?
[20:48] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: I have already just told you what's wrong.
[20:48] <Mothra>  thanks everyone for the help it is really apperciated :) bye all
[20:48] <arooni-mobile> hi folks;  ive been trying for hours to duplicate a simple HTTP POST request over HTTPS for website login that i can make with command line curl (it works).  when i try with http-client (ruby lib) it doesnt log me in.  obviously theres something different about the requests... how can i see what the difference is?
[20:48] <AndreP> okay :) thank you, will try to install again BOOT in the pen, or try with another Pen ;)
[20:48] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: You should /completely/ erase the USB disk, do a full format on it, wipe it, and re-install the Ubuntu Desktop images to it as you did before.
[20:48] <AndreP> thank you :)
[20:49] <AndreP> okay, will do it :) thank you ;)
[20:50] <arooni-mobile> hahaha nevermind; solved it!  i was POSTing to the wrong URL!!! stupid arooni-mobile !!!
[20:50] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Now, the better question is. If you installed Ubuntu 10 minutes ago, why are you trying to do so again, immediately after?
[20:50] <crimsonmane> Psi-Jack: he borked the username stuff
[20:51] <Psi-Jack> That doesn't require a reinstall.
[20:51] <crimsonmane> nope
[20:51] <AndreP> Because i want to change the Username, PC Name and the Password
[20:51] <crimsonmane> useradd or adduser
[20:51] <crimsonmane> "man useradd"
[20:51] <brennan> Psi-Jack, what am i supposed to do with wine?
[20:51] <theDboy> could I just change the name form deb.run to just .deb?
[20:51] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Fix the USB disk, and use it to boot into recovery mode, instead of reinstalling.
[20:51] <Psi-Jack> brennan: As I said, for Wine support, your channel is #winehq
[20:51] <crimsonmane> Psi-Jack: he doesn't even need to do that
[20:51] <AndreP> yeah, im already fixing the USB, will do all from the beggining
[20:52] <crimsonmane> AndreP: reboot, hold the shift key until you get the gub, and select recovery
[20:52] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: Okay. Please do not ask for help when you don't want help. Good day.
[20:52] <theDboy> flood bot it out
[20:52] <theDboy> feel me
[20:52] <AndreP> Psi-Jack, im completly geting missunderstood! Im just doing what you said, im fixing the USB for installing again (just like you said), man thank you (and im not beeing ironic!)
[20:53] <gunarm> is ironic the same thing as sarcastic?
[20:53] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: No, I understand you perfectly. YOU are just refusing to learn and do things correctly.
[20:53] <brennan>  what am i supposed to do with wine?
[20:53] <brennan>  what am i supposed to do with wine?
[20:53] <Psi-Jack> brennan: As I said, for Wine support, your channel is #winehq
[20:53] <AndreP> sorry if that was what i looked, but that could not be more far from the truth
[20:53] <AndreP> i needed help, that why i came here
[20:54] <AndreP> you gave me a solution wich is fixing the USB, and thats what im trying to do right now ;) after i test it again, i'll give my feedback ;)
[20:54] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: No, don't. I don't care to help someone ignoring the help.
[20:55] <gunarm> I have my mdadm raid6 array at /dev/md0 and I can't get it mounted where I can write to it, i have tried manual mount, as well as putting it in fstab, either way, it mounts, but I cannot write to it, even with sudo it says permission denied.  any suggestions?
[20:55] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: What filesystem is /dev/md0?
[20:55] <gunarm> ext4
[20:56] <AndreP> Psi-Jack: Im not ignoring someone's help... im just trying to follow the instructions you gave me... Fixing the USB wasn't what you said? Man, we're completly missunderstanding each other :/
[20:56] <brennan> Psi-Jack, no one is tlaking in winehq
[20:56] <Psi-Jack> AndreP: You asked the wrong questions, and when corrected after being verbally beaten for them, you ignored the corrected instructions, and don't care to. Bye. We're done here.
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> brennan: Not #ubuntu's problem.
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> brennan: Learn patience.
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: Hmmm.. That makes no sense.
[20:58] <brennan> Psi-Jack, i know that its not ubuntus problem thats why i told you
[20:58] <Psi-Jack> brennan: This channel is #ubuntu.
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> brennan: what is yo0ur issue
[20:59] <Psi-Jack> ActionParsnip: wine
[20:59] <Psi-Jack> He's already been told to take it to #winegq
[20:59] <Psi-Jack> hq*
[21:00] <Dr_Willis> learning how to use wine?
[21:00] <Moonlightning> Okay, I have a couple of actual Ubuntu issues. One is that my display is…messed up. I'm not sure how to describe it, other than the /entire/ thing looks like the wallpaper in http://cl.ly/IqDo .
[21:00] <Dr_Willis> or a specific issue?
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> brennan: what in specific do you wnat to know?
[21:01] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, does this contribute anything useful? http://pastebin.com/7NVfeVvK
[21:02] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: Hmmm, no. All looks normal. What about dmesg | grep md0
[21:02] <bro0> hello
[21:02] <bro0> is anyone else having problems installing grub to intel software raid
[21:03] <Psi-Jack> bro0: Software RAID? Or Fake Raid? Sounds more like fake raid.
[21:03] <Psi-Jack> And If so, you shouldn't install grub to such things.
[21:03] <brennan> ActionParsnip, i need to know how to run a Dos/windows executable file?
[21:04] <bro0> Psi-Jack: i have a raid 0 i want to install mint on. somehow the grub installation fails all the time
[21:04] <Dr_Willis> wine foo.exe
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> brennan: the file neds t be marked as executable. I suggest uou check the appdb for compatibility before you start
[21:04] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, http://pastebin.com/mDsPZFVx
[21:04] <bro0> but currently no one knows a solution in mint chat
[21:04]  * crimsonmane admits he doesn't even know what RAID is... is that where you have a PCI card that your HDD's plug into?
[21:05] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: And the output of mount | grep md0?
[21:05] <tiberio_d> raid is two hard disks mirroring data or something
[21:05] <mauk> crimsonmane: check wikipedia...
[21:05] <brennan> whats an appdb? and i did make the file executable in properties
[21:05] <bro0> 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 82801 SATA Controller [RAID mode] (rev 05)
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: i suggest you research, its very cool :)
[21:05] <Psi-Jack> tiberio_d: Incorrect.
[21:05] <brennan> ActionParsnip, ^
[21:05] <Psi-Jack> bro0: That's FAKE raid.
[21:05] <geirha> crimsonmane: raid is when you combine two or more disks to act as one disk
[21:05] <Psi-Jack> bro0: And again, you should not be installing grub to such things.
[21:05] <tiberio_d> actually i'm right
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> brennan: search and you will find. I promise
[21:05] <tiberio_d> i said it's something and it is
[21:05] <Psi-Jack> tiberio_d: No, actually, you are not right.
[21:05] <bro0> Psi-Jack: well i dont have any other besides some usb stick xD
[21:05] <tiberio_d> so it isn't anything? ok
[21:06]  * crimsonmane doesn't see the point to RAID
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> brennan: if the file is stored on an NTFS partition you cannot change the access on the fly, nor can you just run apps installed in Windows in a dual boot
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: you get redundancy. If one drive fails the data is still accessible
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: there is a LOT of point to raid#
[21:06] <Psi-Jack> bro0: Buy a new HDD, or carve out a boot partition and RAID the rest, and better yet, do not use FAKE raid at all. Use mdadm at best.
[21:06] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, http://pastebin.com/yp1tMjmc
[21:06] <brennan> ok i will stop trying ActionParsnip
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: if you have oly one drive and it dies, the server is toast
[21:07] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, to have total redundancy, how many drives do you need?
[21:07] <bro0> what is mdadm? i was using win7 on this machine so far
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: define 'total redundancy'
[21:07] <geirha> crimsonmane: One type of raid, is when you have two harddrives mirroring each other. They'll act as one disk, both disks will contain the same data. So, when one disk fails, you can simply replace it without losing any data.
[21:07] <bro0> does ubuntu come with it?
[21:07] <Psi-Jack> bro0: mdadm is Linux's software RAIDE.
[21:07] <Psi-Jack> -E
[21:07]  * crimsonmane now sees RAID as a server thing, and wonders if there's a point to using it at home.
[21:07] <Dr_Willis> !appdb | brennan
[21:07] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, well, assuming you lose 1 drive, and still retain all your data
[21:07] <gunarm> crimsonmane, depends how hardcore you are with your stuff at home
[21:08] <Shinobi> can someone tell me how to replace unity with gnome 3. All the articles on the web I've read don't work.
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: you cn use raid0 (which isn't actually raid, it just uses the same technology) to use 2 drives to make one logical volume for speed
[21:08]  * crimsonmane has seen a server tower with HDD bays that can be removed without shutting down the computer. liked it lots.
[21:08] <zykotick9> !notunity | Shinobi
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: at least 2 in raid1
[21:08] <Psi-Jack> crimsonmane: I run 4 6 servers at home, plus 2 backup NAS units.
[21:08] <Dr_Willis> Shinobi: in 12.04 ?
[21:08] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, ok
[21:08] <crimsonmane> Psi-Jack: you have quite a library of media then, dont ya
[21:09] <Psi-Jack> crimsonmane: No, 4 servers run as my hypervisors for servers. the 2 remaining are SAN servers.
[21:09] <Psi-Jack> Which provide the disks for the hypervisors.
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: as the drives are identical, the single drive will then be the only active drive, once you replac it the data will be copied over (rebuilt) then become active
[21:09] <bro0> Psi-Jack: what do you mean by carving out some boot partition
[21:09] <Psi-Jack> bro0: I meant exactly what I said.
[21:09] <bro0> how would you exactly partition the drives in my case?
[21:09] <Shinobi> yeah 12.04
[21:09] <Shinobi> what's with the ! before packages?
[21:09] <bro0> (2x2 tbyte) raid 0
[21:09] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, ok, but Raid1 will speed up data retrieval, will it?
[21:10] <Psi-Jack> bro0: In simpleton, make a 200 MB partition, at the beginning of the drive, and the rest, do with as you wish, RAID it, LVM on top of RAID, etc.
[21:10] <Shinobi> Ubuntu shell only seems to install the fallback... there  seems to be no difference.
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: you can mix raid levels too, like raid 1+0 requires at least 4 disks to make 1 volume. its a raid1 but duplicated for speed
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: raid1 is the same access time as a single drive
[21:10] <bro0> Psi-Jack: so grub can install to a single drive?
[21:10] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, i see
[21:10] <Psi-Jack> bro0: Uhh.. Of course.
[21:10] <bro0> alright, i didnt know that!
[21:10] <Shinobi> Dr_willis: for got o add your name see above.
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: raid0 is for speed but if a drive fails your data is gone
[21:10] <Psi-Jack> bro0: Please use common sense in the future.
[21:11] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, so nothing seems problematic?  should I take it to ubunto forums then?
[21:11] <bro0> Psi-Jack: i thought you could install grub to my raid
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: I never saw the mount output.
[21:11] <bro0> brb, rebooting to reconfigure -.-
[21:11] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, so Raid1 is the same as a simple backup to another drive?
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: One sec.
[21:11] <gunarm> http://pastebin.com/yp1tMjmc
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> bro0: Not Fake RAID, no.
[21:12] <Moonlightning> Is there a way to automatically lock a tty after some specified idle time?
[21:12] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: Hmmm..
[21:12] <W4sp> bro0: Install GRUB on all drives that a part of your RAID array.
[21:12] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: Yeah, that's very wierd.. There's no viable explaination as to why that could happen, on an ext4 filesystem.
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: kinda but if one drive dies then the system is stilll accessible, giving you time to replace the drive
[21:13] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, ok, yes
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: theres a youtube vid wit 24 x Samsung SSD drives as a single volume in RAID, its super fast
[21:14] <Toph2> ActionParsnip,,, would you have the url?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs
[21:15] <Toph2> thanks a lot
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: skip to 1:30 to skip to yadda yada
[21:16] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, the drives are basically all brand new, i made the raid array, unplugged a drive and it built my hot swap successfully (as a test), i did mkfs.ext4 on the file system, i just havent been able to actually write any data on it, but ok ill go to the forums, the worst part is that the whole point of this is to protect my data, and in the process i've already spent 1100$s and even going to the point of unplugging the data drives to w
[21:16] <gunarm> ork on the raid drives, ive still managed to wipe 1/3rd of my precious data, and still dont even have a working raid array ;(
[21:16] <gunarm> heh thanks anyway htough
[21:18] <W4sp> Toph2: do not mix up redundancy with backup. Your RAID array is no substitute of a backup.
[21:18] <W4sp> s/of/for
[21:18] <Kihokki> Help! Xorg-server is not starting automatically and each start up I have to run startx to open it.
[21:18] <Toph2> W4sp,,, yes, i realize the function is different
[21:18] <W4sp> Kihokki: What OS and version do you have?
[21:19] <W4sp> Toph2: OK, fine then. Do not take advice seriously that tells you that you don't need backup if you have RAID of any level. :-)
[21:19] <Kihokki> W4sp, Ubuntu 12.04
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: see how much faster the OS is using RAID, the HDD storage is a serious bottleneck in systems
[21:21] <Toph2> W4sp,,, you are suggesting that even with a Raid setup, one should backup?
[21:21] <v1c3> hello! how can i see the crc-32 checksum of a file?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> Toph2: yes, always backup to an external storage or system or tape etc
[21:21] <Toph2> ok
[21:21] <gunarm> Toph2, have you ever read ANYTHING about raid, "Raid is not backup" is said so many times its basically an annoying cliche, how do you not know that?
[21:22] <zykotick9> v1c3: crc or md5?
[21:22] <Dr_Willis> can i raid my backups?
[21:22] <gunarm> if your computer gets fried, your raid array won't help you
[21:22] <Toph2> gunarm,,, i have a general feeling of what Raid is, but am learning
[21:22] <gunarm> if your house burns down
[21:22] <W4sp> Toph2: I suggest it firmly. ;-) Yes.
[21:23] <v1c3> crc
[21:23] <v1c3> zykotick9, crc
[21:23] <gunarm> the raid array keeps you up and running, but to really protect your stuff, a backup is more important, something not usually connected to your computer, and preferably kept at another physical location
[21:23] <zykotick9> v1c3: "crc32 filename"
[21:23] <kate__> i'm getting kernel panics, and i think this might be part of the issue; how do I investigate? ioatadma 0000:00:08.0: can't derive routing for PCI INT A
[21:24] <Soulstitchmmo> Hello. I updated my Ubuntu 12.04 a couple days ago, and now when I start up it doesn't go to the GUI it loads up to a terminal where I log in, and then that's it. No GUI. I've used startx and sudo service lightdm start and neither have worked. Currently I'm using the "try ubuntu" from my USB Stick.
[21:24] <v1c3> zykotick9, bash: crc32: command not found
[21:25] <W4sp> gunarm: It was me who said that RAID and backup are two things. Toph2 asked for information.
[21:25] <Toph2> gunarm,,, i really haven't considered backup storage outside my home,, what do you do, backup online?
[21:25] <zykotick9> v1c3: might be in libarchive-zip-perl (not sure though)
[21:26] <Kihokki> W4sp, Ubuntu 12.04
[21:26] <gunarm> W4sp, ah, i'm just so tired of people telling me raid is not a backup, i guess I couldn't believe anyone didn't already know that ;p
[21:26] <daniel-fold> Hi everyone, does anyone has some experience with Doctrine 2?
[21:27] <gunarm> Toph2, currently i am ashamed to say I don't have a backup, but that will change when I get the money, too much data for online backup, so ill have to buy another 10tb of drives and do a weekly rsync and then take the backups to work for safe keeping
[21:27] <W4sp> gunarm: :-) AFAIK so many things are being repeated day after day on different subjects.
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> Soulstitchmmo: what video chip do you use?
[21:27] <OerHeks> Hi, where to ask support for paid apps in softwarecentre ?
[21:28] <Soulstitchmmo> ActionParsnip: ATI Radeon 5850, it was working perfectly for gaming and everything up until recently.
[21:28] <gunarm> W4sp, yeah, nobodys fault.  I didnt meant to be a jerk about it
[21:28] <W4sp> Kihokki: The easiest thing to try at this stage is gpkg-reconfigure lightdm. A window comes up, pls. select lightdm.
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> Soulstitchmmo: I suggest you read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:29] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: Good off-site backup that I use and like, is CrashPlan.
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> Soulstitchmmo: you may want to uninstall the fglrx driver then reboot
[21:29] <Toph2> gunarm,,, ok,, you compute at a different level than myself
[21:29] <Soulstitchmmo> ActionParsnip: can I get to that while "trying" ubuntu?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> Soulstitchmmo: I'd reboot to the installed OS and hold SHIFT, select recovery mode then select root
[21:29] <Moonlightning> From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates/ : Note that while the apt job is sleeping it will cause the execution of the rest of your cron.daily jobs to be delayed.
[21:29] <v1c3> zykotick9, haven´t found the package.. i´ll write a short programm to get the crc ^^
[21:30] <Soulstitchmmo> actio
[21:30] <W4sp> Kihokki: I have a speller... It is 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm'.
[21:30] <Soulstitchmmo> ActionParsnip: and when I get to root, I navigate to that log, or do I follow the uninstallation instructions for FGLRX I already have?
[21:30] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, i think i looked into crash plan, but i just dont see how online backup of 8 tb of data would even work
[21:31] <Moonlightning> Why is this? Is there some way to make it not delay the others, or to force it to be the last job?
[21:31] <v1c3> other question: which kind of checksum is a 8-digit-hex-string?  please help!
[21:31] <v1c3> mjheagle8: i found a name_of_archive.sfv file in my download directory and it contains a few lines "name_of_archive.r06 06d282c3 "for example
[21:31] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: Works great. :)
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> Soulstitchmmo: you can run:  less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:32] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, but like, it would take months just to upload/download copies of it (at my internet speed) or else its like 130 bucks for them to mail you each drive to bypass the uploading/downloading, for that price I could by new drives
[21:32] <Soulstitchmmo> ActionParsnip: ok thank you going to try that.
[21:33] <zykotick9> v1c3: you might also try libstring-crc32-perl
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> Soulstitchmmo: you may need to uninstall the proprietary driver, reboot using the open driver then reinstall it
[21:33] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: What's your internet speed for uploads?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> SoulShadow: did you by any chance upgrade from 11.10 or 10.04?
[21:34] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, slow, i think i'm paying for 30mbps down maybe 15-20 up
[21:34] <dougl> is there an iso for a usbstick to install 12.04 with?
[21:34] <Artemis3> dougl, the same cd iso
[21:34] <zykotick9> dougl: the iso is a hybrid - cd or usb
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> dougl: its the same one as you burn to CD
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> dougl: MD5 test it then use something like unetbootin
[21:35] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, and the way the ISPs i have found work, you get in trouble if you use it all all month, when you pass downloading about 3-400 tb a month they start calling you and accusing you of "abusing service" and threatening to terminate your account
[21:35] <gunarm> s/tb/gb/
[21:35] <W4sp> gunarm: OT:- Oooops.  10 TB at home.  :-O
[21:35] <dougl> thanks
[21:36] <gunarm> W4sp, xbmc bro ;)
[21:36] <gunarm> but not just that, also high quality family videos recorded from vhs
[21:36] <gunarm> and general data from about 6 different computers are consolidated
[21:37] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: I just did the math, based on 15mb/s upload rate. 8TB would 20 hours.
[21:37] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: the disk slowdown would stop it
[21:38] <ikonia> I moved 3.5 TB over a 1GB lan, getting a good thorughput and it took 36 hours
[21:38] <ikonia> the disk was the issue (and the USB bus)
[21:38] <Psi-Jack> ikonia: He's doing RAID. ;)
[21:38] <ikonia> ooooh
[21:38] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.
[21:38] <Psi-Jack> He'd EASILY be able to maintain the 15mbit/s throughput.
[21:39] <Psi-Jack> But, now I'm wondering why, at home, he has 8TB of data to begin with.
[21:39] <zally666> 22:32 < zally666> [   32.036007] tda827x_probe_version: could not read from  tuner at addr: 0xc0
[21:40] <louiemat_> is this the Pinguy distro chat  to ask questions on?
[21:40] <gunarm> hmm that coudn't be right
[21:40] <zally666> 28.311727] saa7133[0]/alsa: saa7133[0] at 0xdf5ff000 irq 16  registered as card -2
[21:40] <zally666> 23:38 < zally666> [   28.360092] DVB: registering new adapter (saa7133[0])
[21:40] <gunarm> 1s
[21:40] <W4sp> Have you considered SAN? Obviously, it does not cover your need to have a copy of yor backup out of your house.
[21:40] <zykotick9> louiemat_: nope.  pinguy isn't supported here
[21:40] <zally666> problem with tuner
[21:40] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, maybe i'm just a porn fiend ;)
[21:41] <zally666> its analog but registered as dvb ?.?
[21:41] <Artemis3> zally666, what device is this?
[21:41] <Psi-Jack> gunarm: Uhh... I'm leaning on other things, which are a lot less pleasant.
[21:41] <louiemat_> can u direct me to that chat?
[21:41] <zally666> saa7133 medion tv tuner
[21:41] <gunarm> but no i said its mostly tv shows and movies, as well as home videos, and consolidated data from 6 pcs
[21:41] <Psi-Jack> louiemat_: /msg alis help
[21:41] <k1l> louiemat_: its in the channel: #pinguyos  like its mentioned on their homepage
[21:41] <W4sp> Psi-Jack: He explained what nature the data is and why he has so much.
[21:41] <Psi-Jack> W4sp: Which still doesn't make sense.
[21:42] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, it doesnt?
[21:42] <Artemis3> zally666, does it work?
[21:42] <Psi-Jack> Not for 8 TB of data combined.
[21:42] <zally666> Artemis3: what could i do to reinstall vDl and drivers ?
[21:42] <gunarm> and i'm trying to imagine what you think would be less pleasant?
[21:42] <zally666> no not working atm
[21:42] <gunarm> or what that might mean
[21:42] <gunarm> heh
[21:43] <zally666> doesnt wanne scan for signal either
[21:43] <zally666> before only signal scanning worked
[21:43] <Psi-Jack> Tv shows, and movies. Gotcha. Piracy. Nuff said.
[21:43] <Artemis3> zally666, so you are using, say, tvtime and it doesnt work?
[21:43] <zally666> no it doesnt work at all
[21:43] <zally666> with any
[21:43] <Artemis3> zally666, did it work before?
[21:44] <Artemis3> zally666, with ubuntu i mean
[21:44] <zally666> since i tried tv server v4l vdr and tvheadend
[21:44] <zally666> uname -r ?
[21:44] <zally666> one without startbar
[21:44] <zally666> 3.2.0-24-generic
[21:44] <zally666> dont know what update its on
[21:44] <zally666> it worked before
[21:45] <Artemis3> zally666, before update it worked? oh i see
[21:45] <shade34321> I just upgraded a computer from 11.10 to 12.04 and it appears the mouse is stuck on the left edge of the screen. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks!
[21:45] <zally666> before tv servers experiment
[21:45] <gunarm> Psi-Jack, DVR
[21:45] <zally666> Artemis3: can i run ubuntu on my closed router ? that my isp want me to configure from there site ?.?
[21:46] <diminoten> Hm, whenever I try to use nautilus's "Connect to server" thingy, I get "Can't load the supported server method list"
[21:46] <svennp> hi, im using the nvidia xserver settings in ubuntu and set it to twinview, is there any way to make fullscreen games go on only 1 screen with normal hd resolution?
[21:46] <diminoten> I googled for a solution and couldn't find one
[21:46] <zally666> i need a network tv server tuner router app or device :)
[21:46] <zally666> or backbone
[21:47] <Artemis3> zally666 you want to capture and stream video
[21:47] <Artemis3> zally666, but first fix the tvtuner
[21:47] <diminoten> it also says "Please check your gvfs installation"
[21:47] <diminoten> but my gvfs installation looks fine
[21:47] <diminoten> that is, it's totally there
[21:48] <diminoten> best I could find was "http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11558897"
[21:48] <diminoten> buuut
[21:48] <diminoten> absolutely not helpful
[21:48] <W4sp> shade34321: See if xev shows mouse events. Also, if it's a BT mouse check the battery. May soud obvious but happens all the time.
[21:49] <zally666> Artemis3: any clues what can i try ?
[21:49] <zally666> Artemis3: why does tvtime need sudo ?
[21:49] <zally666> yes
[21:49] <soulstitchmmo> ActionParsnip: The going to root didn't work, but when I logged back in I ran the sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh and that worked.
[21:49] <zally666> how ?
[21:49] <zally666> its the driver
[21:49] <zally666> paste.ubuntu.com/1154311/   Artemis3
[21:49] <Artemis3> zally666, you don't need sudo with tvtime
[21:49] <shade34321> W4sp: it's a corded USB mouse...I will
[21:49] <Artemis3> zally666, only your user must belong to the proper group
[21:50] <zally666> ah
[21:50] <zally666> lets do that first ? how ?
[21:50] <Artemis3> zally666, i believe its group video, did you make another user?
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> soulstitchmmo: thought removing the driver would do it
[21:50] <W4sp> Do we have cwm ported to Ubuntu?
[21:50] <zally666> witch user should i make ?
[21:51] <zally666> another user ?
[21:51] <Artemis3> zally666, when you make a new user, you have to make sure it belongs to various grooups, like audio, video
[21:51] <diminoten> is there a samba client out there that's not part of nautilus
[21:51] <zally666> how do i add my user to those groups ?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> zally666: sudo usermod -a -G groupname username
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> diminoten:  several of them in the repos.. some cli tools also.
[21:52] <diminoten> why is everything so fucking hard in ubuntu...
[21:52] <Artemis3> zally666, first type id in the console, and paste the results to pastebin
[21:52] <zally666> i prolly need to reinstall carddriver v4l and what else ?
[21:52] <diminoten> every one I've tried to use has failed
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> diminoten:  then theres the fusesmb tool that sort of auto-mounts samba shares.
[21:52] <IdleOne> !language | diminoten
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: its not, your are just so tuned into windows taht anything different is obviously hard for you
[21:52] <diminoten> wrong os
[21:52] <diminoten> you mean os x
[21:52] <isopov> hello, Nautilus doesn't list my android phone in the devices section - lsusb shows it in the output - can you please point me to the path to investigate and solve this problem?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: whichever
[21:52] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: EWWWWW!
[21:52] <diminoten> so anyway
[21:52] <diminoten> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11558897
[21:53] <zally666> do i need to change groupname in video and user to username ?
[21:53] <diminoten> if being an experienced linux user will make this problem trivial to you
[21:53] <Artemis3> zally666, i don't think you need to install any drivers, it should work with fresh install
[21:53] <diminoten> please go for it ActionParsnip
[21:53] <violinappren> isopov: is android set in mass storage mode?
[21:53] <Artemis3> zally666, not change group, ADD to group
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> MicroSoft has  made changes to their network share stuff that even confuses my windows machines.  diminoten  you could try  the gnome file manager but enter the ip# of the samba server instead of its hostname.
 is there a samba client out there that's not part of nautilus
[21:53] <bkc_> isopov: did you mount it?
[21:53] <Nisstyre> smbclient?
[21:53] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: Fuse+SMB == super bad
[21:53] <zally666> but the pastebin says wrong tuner detect card -2
[21:53] <isopov> violinappren, yes
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> !info smb4k
[21:53] <diminoten> Nisstyre, ugh
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> zally666: yes, so the command would be:  sudo usermod -a -G video $USER      and it will add your username (denoted by the $USER variable) to the video group
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> Psi-Jack:  not tried it in ages.
[21:54] <Psi-Jack> AutoFS FTW!
[21:54] <diminoten> ubottu, using gnome
[21:54] <Nisstyre> diminoten: stop being so difficult
[21:54] <Artemis3> zally666, login, and type command id
[21:54] <Nisstyre> that answered your question
[21:54] <violinappren> isopov: is there a device file for it? check: ls /dev/sd*
[21:54] <diminoten> Nisstyre, it's not me it's ubuntu
[21:54] <violinappren> isopov: or better, use: sudo blkid
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> pcmanfm seems to be able to browse shares now also.. just tried it..
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: can you give the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[21:55] <michelfp> i just accidentally interrupted ubuntu instalation, what do?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: please drop the attitude
[21:55] <michelfp> i have LVs
[21:55] <diminoten> precise
[21:55] <isopov> bkc_, violinappren, I looked in /dev/sd* - there is only my HDD there, other similar files (sg0, sr0) seems to be not mountable
[21:55] <bkc_> michelfp: restart, install again
[21:56] <bkc_> isopov: sg0 & sr0 is the burner
[21:56] <idodeisuke> Does anyone know, where the list of all installed packages on a ubuntu system is saved? The system isn't bootable, but I have access via live cd.
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: do you have  gvfs-backends installed?
[21:56] <isopov> "sudo blkid" - shows only HDD (cool command, thanks, need to remember)
[21:56] <zally666> okey thkx
[21:56] <BlacklightSleepi> …oh, come on!
[21:56] <zally666> videoinput: Driver refuses to start streaming: Device or resource busy.
[21:56]  * BlacklightSleepi mutters about low nick char limits
[21:56] <mohannad> michelfp:ithink if you rebooted again you will find an option in the main menu says continue broken installation or something
[21:56] <diminoten> ActionParsnip, yes
[21:57] <zally666> Artemis3: ping
[21:57] <zally666> did the group thing
[21:57] <violinappren> isopov: unplug the cable, do: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog          and then plug the cable and pastebin the output text
[21:57] <zally666> video group thjat is
[21:57] <violinappren> !paste | isopov
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: tried:  sudo apt-get --reinstall install nautilus
[21:58] <diminoten> I tried this already but ok
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: if you use the file -> connect to server   does it connect ok?
[21:58] <diminoten> no
[21:58] <Artemis3> zally666, what is output of command:         id
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: can you ping the server?
[21:58] <diminoten> I click "Connect to server" and I am greeted with a dialog
[21:59] <zally666> http://pastebin.com/BVJF5q5m
[21:59] <Gamera> Does anyone know how to get box.net to mount and connect on start up so I can transfer and access files in my box.net account through the file manager?
[21:59] <diminoten> it's the connect to server dialog except everything's grayed out
[21:59] <zally666> Artemis3: alot stuff with my username and groups
[21:59] <diminoten> and at the top, I see in a red box the following two sentences
[21:59] <isopov> violinappren, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1154327/ - first is for unplug and three after plugging, I think
[21:59] <FreeMansMind> I lost connection
[21:59] <diminoten> "Can't load the supported server method list.  Please check your gvfs installation"
[21:59] <FreeMansMind> I do not see nothing in Startup List... there are some thing running on startup
[21:59] <Artemis3> zally666, use pastebin
[21:59] <diminoten> the server is pingable
[22:00] <zally666> sorry sended it in pm
[22:00] <FreeMansMind> this did not help either: sudo sed -i ‘s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g’ /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: do you have the gvfs package installed?
[22:00] <diminoten> yes
[22:00] <diminoten> "gvfs is already the newest version."
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: tried reinstalling that package too?
[22:00] <acidrain> ActionParsnip, i have concluded that ubuntu is best flavor. for my personal needs that is. plus not to mention the Screenlets int he repos is best version and handled beautifully
[22:00] <shade34321> W4sp: I tried the xev thing and I believe it recognizes the mouse but as you can see in this picture, http://imgur.com/BMeJn , I can't really be sure
[22:01] <diminoten> ActionParsnip, trying now
[22:01] <zally666> Artemis3: got it ?
[22:01] <diminoten> no dice
[22:01] <violinappren> isopov: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/how-to-connect-your-android-ice-cream-sandwich-phone-to-ubuntu-for-file-access
[22:01] <Artemis3> zally666, i see, but now do this: ls -l ~/.tvtime
[22:01] <diminoten> Setting up gvfs (1.12.1-0ubuntu1)
[22:01] <diminoten> 1.12.1 is the version I'm using
[22:01] <violinappren> isopov: also see http://shkspr.mobi/blog/index.php/2012/01/connecting-samsung-ics-to-ubuntu-using-mtp/
[22:02] <zally666> PM Artemis3
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: have you tried (in terminal):    nautilus sftp://username@server/path
[22:03] <isopov> violinappren, thanks, seems to be what I need. It is Android 4. Thanks for helping with your searching Dao.
[22:03] <diminoten> "Nautilus cannot handle "sftp" locations."
[22:03] <violinappren> isopov: you're welcome
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: tried another file browser like pcmanfm?
[22:03] <diminoten> ActionParsnip, I'll try it
[22:04] <diminoten> "Operation not supported."
[22:04] <diminoten> when I tried pcmanfm sftp://me@place/share
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: use the menus of the app to connect, may work
[22:05] <diminoten> "Operation not supported" again
[22:05] <diminoten> when I go to the Go menu and select "Network drives"
[22:06] <diminoten> it just seems like my gvfs isn't being found
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: do you use ssh keys?
[22:06] <diminoten> no
[22:06] <diminoten> well not for thisw
[22:08] <W4sp> shade34321: The idea with xev is how X recognizes your keyboard. touchscreen and mouse events. The information is in the text output in terminal, not on your desktop. Also, check lsusb if your USB hub and mouse are listed there.
[22:08] <wilee-nilee> isopov, with my nexus I found the mtp not to work but gmtp does
[22:09] <diminoten> ActionParsnip, I can connect to the server via smbclient
[22:09] <diminoten> so it's not on that end
[22:10] <W4sp> cvs diff -u -rOPENBSD_5_1 -rHEAD
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: well is it running samba or sftp?
[22:10] <diminoten> samba
[22:10] <diminoten> well both
[22:10] <diminoten> either way
[22:11] <diminoten> not relevant as I can't even select my connection type
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: well it is as its a totally differet service
[22:11] <diminoten> okay ignore all the smb crap
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: have you tried connecting with filezilla?
[22:11] <diminoten> my "Connect a server..." is broken
[22:11] <diminoten> that's the actual problem, I can do literally nothing with that... app?
[22:12] <diminoten> dialog box, whatever
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: which dialogue box?
[22:12] <diminoten> I am given no selectable options when I open that dialog and I get the errors I mentioned before
[22:12] <diminoten> the "Connect to server..." one
[22:12] <thedarki> hello
[22:12] <violinappren> diminoten: what are you trying to accomplish ?
[22:12] <ChogyDan> if anyone knows about compiliing kernels, specifically configuring them, I could use some help
[22:12] <violinappren> thedarki: hello
[22:12] <diminoten> violinappren, I want my "Connect to server" dialog box to work
[22:13] <diminoten> what I'm trying to accomplish I have already accomplished via other means
[22:13] <diminoten> now I want this box to not sit there, broken
[22:13] <violinappren> ChogyDan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile/
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: ok but does filezilla connect?
[22:13] <diminoten> ...sure
[22:13] <diminoten> for what that matters, why the hell not
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: checks the service is listening
[22:13] <mnewton> How do I remove accessibility features in ubuntu. I hold shift down for long times sometimes and slow keys gets activated.
[22:13] <violinappren> diminoten: in what way is it broken?
[22:14] <mnewton> I don't want to deactivate them - I want to completely remove them.
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> diminoten: it isolates the issue to nautius etc if something not using gvfs can connect
[22:14] <diminoten> violinappren, the following error is displayed, and none of the input boxes are usable "Can't load the supported server method list.  Please check your gvfs installation."
[22:14] <violinappren> mnewton: type 'keyboard' in the dash search and then theres an accessibility tab
[22:15] <ChogyDan> thanks violinappren, I do know about that page and am following it.  I'm having trouble with the configuration part
[22:15] <violinappren> diminoten: have you tried reinstalling gvfs
[22:15] <violinappren> !details | ChogyDan
[22:15] <diminoten> violinappren, yes
[22:15] <shade34321> W4sp: I understand that but I can't really read the terminal since it's only showing part of it, I'm also having a problem X and Nvidia. i will try lsusb
[22:15] <xp_prg> hi all, trying to understand the best low ram usage linux live cd for an hp latop I can use, I heard mint is the best right now, any ideas?
[22:16] <mnewton> violinappren, i'm using xubuntu
[22:16] <k1l_> diminoten: gvfs-backends  is installed?
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> xp_prg: tinycore, puppy or xpud are low ram usage
[22:16] <diminoten> k1l_, yeah I've reinstalled it a couple of times heh
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> xp_prg: best is subjective
[22:16] <violinappren> mnewton: all the details on one line
[22:17] <ChogyDan> violinappren: ok, but please don't ask for details if you can't help.  I just don't know which command I should use to configure, debian/rules editconfigs or debian/rules updateconfigs.  I also don't know how to check if I have configured correctly.  I feel lost
[22:17] <xp_prg> well I need all the apps like openoffice etc...
[22:17] <blaggard> xp_rg: try either lubuntu or xubuntu
[22:17] <mnewton> violinappren, sorry, i want to remove these features all together - more like an apt-get purge blah-package
[22:17] <blaggard> Mint is a full-weight distro
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> xp_prg: puppy has an office suite, you can add whatever you want to xpud and tinycore
[22:18] <xp_prg> does it run on a live cd?
[22:18] <W4sp> shade34321: I understand that you cannot move your terminal without your mouse.
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> xp_prg: sure
[22:18] <violinappren> ChogyDan: this is a public channel, you're expected to give all useful details of a problem and any one may help
[22:18] <blaggard> xp_rg: puppy has a live cd version, yes
[22:18] <xp_prg> can I install new apps when in the live cd mode?
[22:18] <ChogyDan> violinappren: I know how it works -.-
[22:19] <jagosix> Hello People
[22:19] <W4sp> channel - In Unity/Ubuntu 3d and 2d... How do I move the terminal (gnome-terminal) window without utilizing the mouse?
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> xp_prg: with xpud you simply copy the .opt files to the right folder no the usb and they are accessible
[22:19] <jagosix> Can I use remastersys with 12.04 ?
[22:19] <violinappren> ChogyDan: not if you withhold the details from public :)
[22:19] <xp_prg> ok my next really hard question, I don't have a blank cd to use and I need to do a usb boot, can I use my iphone's usb drive to do it somehow?
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> W4sp: if you use terminal a lot I can recommend guake
[22:20] <blaggard> xp_rg: I don't think so.
[22:20] <blaggard> actually, I know so.
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> xp_prg: its an iphone, i doubt doing anything remotely intelligent with it will work
[22:20] <xp_prg> ok
[22:20] <blaggard> ^ what he said
[22:21] <shade34321> W4sp: I got the mouse working. I disabled all the NVidia drives via terminal through ssh and rebooted. Now it works. Thanks for your help!
[22:21] <shade34321> now to figure out why twinview won't work><
[22:21] <W4sp> ActionParsnip: I dont' have Unity running. I need to assist a user who's mouse isn't working. I can't give advise on how to move the terminal.
[22:21] <vvpalin> iphone's are actually really intelligent, they can make calls for you and such
[22:21] <W4sp> shade34321: Very welcome.
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> W4sp: you don't need unity for guake, you don't even need gnome desktop
[22:21] <zykotick9> W4sp: ctrl+alt+f1 for a VT perhaps?
[22:22] <diminoten> I feel like I have a fairly unique problem...
[22:22] <diminoten> I'll post to the forums about it I guess
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> W4sp: ah, you could enable mouse keys
[22:22] <jagosix> Question....Can I use remastersys with 12.04 ?
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> jagosix: is that stil developed?
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> jagosix, should be able to
[22:22] <W4sp> ActionParsnip: If you would take the to actually read my requirement...?
[22:22] <theDboy> skrilla
[22:22] <theDboy> exit
[22:22] <jagosix> Well I want to create my own custom live disc
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> ActionParsnip, back by popular demands. ;)
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> diminoten:  theres askubuntu.com also
[22:23] <jagosix> anysuggestions ?
[22:23] <jagosix> any  suggestions ?
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> jagosix:  i think 12.04 broke some of the remastering tools.. there may be updated versions of them out by now.
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> !remaster
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> jagosix: http://sourceforge.net/projects/remastersys/files/  looks dead
[22:23] <mnewton> what package install accessibility features like slow keys. I want to purge it. I'm on xubuntu.
[22:24] <diminoten> Dr_Willis I'll post it, but I'm not sure if my windows addled brain can handle the concept of getting community help, right ActionParsnip ? :/
[22:24] <blaggard> hey, how bad are the kernel issues with power/heat management in 12.04? I have a new Latitude on the way...
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> diminoten:  with that attitude.. i doubt it.
[22:24] <violinappren> mnewton: you can disable it using the "settings manager"
[22:24] <W4sp> zykotick9: Does Ctrl+alt+F1 allow me to move the window with the help of arrow keys?
[22:24] <diminoten> I wish my attitude was not because of how I was treated here...
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> jagosix:  http://www.remastersys.com/  seems to work with 12.04
[22:25] <W4sp> zykotick9: (sounds stupid to ask but I don't have a DE like Unity or GNOME3.
[22:25] <OerHeks> Hi, where to ask support for paid apps in softwarecentre ?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> W4sp: unity isn't a DE
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> ActionParsnip, at sourceforge yes the site mentions the path to its continuance. http://www.remastersys.com/
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/87335/nautilus-cannot-load-supported-server-method-list-please-check-your-gvfs-inst
[22:27] <violinappren> ActionParsnip: is it not?
[22:27] <mnewton> violinappren, I know I can disable it. But it's the enabling I dont like. I've got stuff bound to the shift key and I don't want to keep opening it up and disabling it.
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> violinappren: no, its a shell for the gnome desktop
[22:27] <violinappren> mnewton: it's a one time only thing
[22:28] <violinappren> ActionParsnip: looks more like a fork of gnome to me
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> violinappren: you can also use gnome-panel or gnome-shell instead
[22:28] <blaggard> what, unity?
[22:29] <blaggard> also, Cinnamon or MATE
[22:29] <k1l_> violinappren: unity is just a shell, gnome3 is the DE
[22:29] <blaggard> Using Cinnamon myself, very clean but occaisionally glitchy
[22:29] <Belial`> animations are slow for me on cinnamon.
[22:29] <Belial`> same with gnome-shell. mutter doesn't seem as fast as compiz.
[22:29] <Belial`> as far as effects go.
[22:30] <blaggard> belial`: what kind of hardware are you dealing with?
[22:30] <coinn8212> hey... looks like http://kernel.ubuntu.com/ is down?
[22:30] <coinn8212> could someone confirm?
[22:30] <Belial`> core i3 with intel integrated. gnome-shell was running really smooth when it was first released.
[22:30] <Belial`> after 3.4, not so much.
[22:31] <violinappren> coinn8212: it is
[22:31] <k1l_> !ot | coinn8212
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> never had a glitch on core2 duo cpu, 3Gb ram and intel 945GM GPU...
[22:31] <blaggard> coinn8212: its down alright
[22:31] <W4sp> !unity | ActionParsnip
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> coinn8212: try    http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[22:32] <coinn8212> ActionParsnip: haha... cool site... lemme check
[22:32] <ChogyDan> canonical was moving data centers today
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> W4sp: I'm well aware, I've used the OS a while and am also an Ubuntu member :P
[22:32] <blaggard> oh right, the datacenter thing
[22:32] <blaggard> durr hurr, forgot
[22:32] <W4sp> ActionParsnip: I'm aware of that, too. Are you on a war path tonight?
[22:32] <coinn8212> What's the ubuntu IRC channel to signal this to Ubuntu admins so that they bring http://kernel.ubuntu.com/ up again?
[22:33] <blaggard> coinn8212: they are moving datacenters right now
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> W4sp: just curious why you sent me the factoid when its someting I already know
[22:33] <coinn8212> thanks blaggard, (any ETA by chance? just asking)
[22:33] <blaggard> Should be back up tomorrow
[22:33] <coinn8212> okie
[22:33] <TaJMoX> Nautilus says "Can not move file to trash, would you like to delete permanently?"  ... Why? It is an NTFS partition and is mounted with proper permissions.
[22:33] <coinn8212> thanks a lot
[22:33] <blaggard> no prob
[22:33] <coinn8212> have a good day/night
[22:33] <bzzzz> !mirros
[22:34] <zykotick9> !mirrors | bzzzz looking for this?
[22:35] <bzzzz> zykotick9: merci
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> TaJMoX: is it read only?
[22:35] <blaggard> ubottu: what do you mean by !notunity?
[22:36] <bmanuel> !notunity
[22:36] <isopov> I don't remember who suggested that and I restarted since and chatzilla seems to not have history - but thanks for gmtp instead of mtp - it is very intuitive comparing to terminal commands and mouting both internal memory and sd-card together into one folder (and both a mounted partially - not all files and folders are accessible) - thanks a lot.
[22:37] <Dr_Willis> blaggard:  the bot trigger is '!nounity'
[22:37] <mesaphlin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=NG&feature=relmfu&hl=en-GB&v=J55ZaxIJhRg   -  In this video the basic dumb terminal spits out the characters in 300 baud. I wanted to do the same thing but after it says termainal ready, nothing I could write in the terminal. Just frozen there. what should I do?
[22:37] <TaJMoX> ActionParsnip no, it's rw but owner is listed as root. And sudo chown user isn't changing the owner (ntfs problem probably?)
[22:37] <Dr_Willis> blaggard:  !things trigger the bot to spit out  frequently needed answers and responzes. :)
[22:38] <blaggard> ok, so I gotta be honest, I just started using IRC so a lot of the small stuff slips past me
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> TaJMoX: yes, ntfs is an ass like taht
[22:39] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  you dont chown/chmod NTFS or VFAT filesystems
[22:39] <TaJMoX> ActionParsnip I think I'll just have to deal with not having a trash ... funny that I can delete/move/rename but it won't move to trash
[22:39] <TaJMoX> Dr_Willis Any idea why nautilus won't move it to .Trash-1000 but it will move it wherever I want if I drag/drop it?
[22:40] <Advocated> TaJMoX, out of interest, ive  not been reading, but whats the problem you're having?
[22:40] <jarek_>  /join #ubuntu-pl
[22:40] <silverarrow> is there a way to burn mp4 as regular CD to play in CD player?
[22:40] <blaggard> TajMox: have you tried mv to trash via terminal?
[22:40] <TaJMoX> Advocated trying to delete a file "Cannot move file to trash. Do you want to delete it immediately?"
[22:40] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  permissions on the root of the mounted drive perhaps.   How was it mounted? by you and fstab? or auto-mounted? The ntfs-config tool may set it to mount with more open permissions that let you do it.
[22:40] <blaggard> also, try running it as sudo
[22:40] <TaJMoX> blaggard I can move it, but pressing DELETE won't work =\
[22:40] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  I normally hate finding .Trash-XXXXX directories on my ntfs/vfat  partions and usb drives. :)
[22:41] <TaJMoX> blaggard Yes as root it won't move to trash either.
[22:41] <silverarrow> Dr_Willis, does that happen a lot?
[22:41] <TaJMoX> Dr_Willis So all files will be deleted permanently then using NTFS filesystem??
[22:41] <Dr_Willis> silverarrow:  happens enough where its annoying.. but now a days ubuntu asks to empty the trash befor removeing my USB.
[22:42] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  it COULD be since ntfs cant set the owner of the files/dirs as the current user deleteing the file. its failing.. ive never noticed the issie on ntfs.. let me look
[22:42] <TaJMoX> Only reason it's ntfs is so I can share with other computers in the house ... I guess I'll just change to ext4 and set up samba ... Dr_Willis blaggard Advocated
[22:42] <silverarrow> oh, yes I am with you, I rememeber
[22:42] <i7c> does ubuntu server offer disk encryption in the installation process?
[22:42] <TaJMoX> i7c yes, you have the option to encrypt your home folder
[22:43] <i7c> TaJMoX: thx for the info :)
[22:43] <TaJMoX> i7c there is a check box during install =) np
[22:43] <i7c> nice!
[22:43] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  it just let me move a file to the Trash on my NTFS partition i mounted via nautilus. :) But i will have to say this is on my 12.10 test machine
[22:43] <blaggard> dr_willis: did they fix the power and heat management in the new kernel?
[22:44] <mesaphlin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=NG&feature=relmfu&hl=en-GB&v=J55ZaxIJhRg - someone help me with this if I may ask please? I want to do the same thing but after it says terminal ready, it is stuck there, nothing I can type. what should I do?
[22:44] <crimsonmane> blaggard: that's a question of "turning off visual effects"
[22:44] <Dr_Willis>   /dev/sda2 on /run/media/willis/WIN7 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[22:44] <ChogyDan> blaggard: last I heard, no.  But wasn't it post 3.2 kernel?
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> blaggard:  ive never had any issues with it.. i imagine it depends on the exact chipset/hardware
[22:44] <TaJMoX> Dr_Willis I just noticed when I run nautilus as root, it DOES move the files to .Trash-0 ... but as user, it doesn't move it to .Trash-1000
[22:45] <blaggard> I am just concerned, as i am due for a new laptop, and just want the stupid simple useability from 11.04/gnome2 back
[22:45] <TaJMoX> blaggard isn't compiling your own kernel the best way to go always?
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  all the files on the ntfs here are owed by my user that mounted the ntfs
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> ls -ld .Trash-1000/
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> drwx------ 1 willis willis 0 Aug 18 18:42 .Trash-1000/
[22:47] <Sporty1> TJ- Are you here
[22:47] <TaJMoX> DR_Willis drwxrwxrwx 1 root root      0 Aug 15 15:14 .Trash-1000/
[22:47] <TaJMoX> ... =/
[22:47] <blaggard> TaJMoX: I heard that changing kernels tends to break something in apparmor
[22:48] <TaJMoX> blaggard Well that sucks ... I just recently came back to Linux after about 6 years, I was planning on compiling my kernel soon (since I've noticed some cpu issues)
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> ive not needed to use a custom kernel in years...
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> theres experimental/ppas for some newer/updated kernels.
[22:48] <TaJMoX> I notice a lot of performance/stability when using a custom kernel... but may be placebo
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> !kernel
[22:49] <TaJMoX> The point is, compiling your own kernel will write it for the machine code for your specific architecture (Core 2 duo for example) ... right?
[22:49] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  not always.
[22:49] <ChogyDan> TaJMoX: I heard that stuff is loaded at compile time now adays
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  i doubt if you will notice much gain from messing with the kernel.
[22:50] <TaJMoX> It used to help ... shrug.
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> used to be 512mb was a lot of ram....
[22:50] <blaggard> my understanding is the issue has to do with the kernel not being able to throttle the hardware properly.
[22:50] <TaJMoX> Speaking of CPU, anyone notice that plugin-container uses an incredible amount of CPU? Even if it's just a small flash running
[22:51] <blaggard> not idling the CPU, not lowering fan speeds, etc
[22:51] <TaJMoX> Also, xorg is idling at 3% =\
[22:51] <zykotick9> Dr_Willis: "used to be" for sure ;)
[22:51] <TaJMoX> blaggard exactly, so a custom compiled cpu would be able to utilize your specific hardware properly.
[22:51] <zykotick9> no one needs more then 256MB ;)
[22:51] <TaJMoX> custom compiled kernel*
[22:52] <TaJMoX> I still have my Packard Bell 386 @ 33mhz w/ 4MB RAM
[22:52] <TaJMoX> It doesn't run Ubuntu xD
[22:53] <shade34321> On one of the computers the wired USB keyboard and mouse does not work any more, they were working previously before a reboot. I check lsusb and it sees both
[22:54] <TaJMoX> In Xchat, how do I disable showing who has joined/quit ?
[22:54] <W4sp> Most of the time my Xorg idles at 0.00. Seldom at 2. That's because my DE doesn't need much from Xorg.
[22:54] <TaJMoX> Unity seems to be super resource hog... even using Unity 2D
[22:55] <TaJMoX> plugin-container is always at 50% cpu ... this sucks...
[22:55] <W4sp> TaJMoX: use /ignore, eg. JOINS NICKS
[22:56] <blaggard> TaJMoX: thats why I run either gnome-fallback, mate, or cinnamon.
[22:56] <TaJMoX> W4sp so like /ignore 'has joined' will work?
[22:56] <TaJMoX> ...but what if someone says "Bill has joined our team at work"
[22:56] <TaJMoX> It's been like 12 years since I've used IRC =)
[22:57] <W4sp> TaJMoX: /ignore JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS reduces the output to conversation channel messages.
[22:57] <W4sp> TaJMoX: It's not /ignore 'has joined'. It is '/ignore joins parts nicks quits'
[22:57] <W4sp> TaJMoX: Just type in /ignore and it shoud tell you what's being ignored.
[22:58] <JoeL3roy> hey-
[22:59] <W4sp> TaJMoX: I also recommend to see if irssi does the trick for you. There are two X-chat in Software packages, one is x-chat, the other x-chat GNOME.
[23:00] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  flash sucking down cpu is not unitys fault.
[23:01] <Dr_Willis> xchat has a menu item in the channel tab/menus to ignore stuff per channel
[23:01] <silverarrow> is there a way to make mp4 to mp3 or burnable audio file?
[23:01] <TaJMoX> Dr_Willis I know this is the other issue I'm having =)
[23:01] <Dr_Willis> silverarrow:  many of the media apps in ubuntu can convert/gnerate a standard music cd.
[23:01] <Dr_Willis> silverarrow:  i tend to use k3b
[23:02] <silverarrow> I am in lubuntu, I might just need to install
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  flash is an issue...  I tend to not use flash whenever possible.
[23:02] <silverarrow> Dr_Willis, thanks
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> !burn
[23:02] <TaJMoX> Dr_Willis Damn .. I'm forced to run Flash at all times for work. There goes 50% of my cpu ><
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> TaJMoX:  forced at work?
[23:03] <shade34321> On one of the computers the wired USB keyboard and mouse does not work any more, they were working previously before a reboot. I checked lsusb and it sees both
[23:03] <Dr_Willis> you have to watch  cat videos at work? ;P
[23:03] <OerHeks> TaJMoX, 50% cpu is not bad, is it?
[23:03] <silverarrow> Dr_Willis, I have xfburn
[23:03] <TaJMoX> Dr_Willis no, a web app we use uses Flash... it's not graphics intensive but still taking up 50% >,<
[23:03]  * zykotick9 thinks !burn is missing dvd+rw-tools for growisofs...
[23:03] <TaJMoX> OerHeks Considering I'd also like to do some encoding/compiling ... yes, the flash app is really tiny shouldn't be using 50%
[23:06] <W4sp> TaJMoX: Flash can get very CPU hungry if you use Flash to dynamicaly display data, eg. pie charts or similar with data feed. ajax or not ajax.
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> i was just wondering what household cleaner had to do with flash... ;)   wife just asked me where the ajax was for the bathtub.. ;P
[23:07] <TaJMoX> I would like to ajax Flash from the world ...
[23:07] <TaJMoX> Needs to be something better
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> its the 'its what we always used so we will always use it' mentality
[23:08] <ianm_> fresh install of 12.04 on a Thinkpad X230 and the touchpad hops about 6 pixels at a time, any way to make it smoother?
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[23:09] <gfkjunior> hey ya'll, just a quick question wondering how I use my laptops webcam.
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> ianm_: are yu fully updated?
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> gfkjunior: does it work in cheese?
[23:10] <ianm_> ActionParsnip: yeah just did and rebooted
[23:10] <gfkjunior> I dont have cheese, I'll go ahead and try it!
[23:11] <ianm_> oh you need cheese
[23:11] <gfkjunior> cool deal, thanks
[23:14] <W4sp> TaJMoX: Agree. I ensure my systems are hostile to Adobe's stuff.
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> ianm_: tried disabling the 'disable touchpad while I type' as well as 'tap to click'
[23:15] <OerHeks> Hi, where to get support for paid apps in softwarecentre ?
[23:15] <zumo_> Anyone have a benchmark tool suggestion?
[23:16] <zumo_> I want to see which of the two machines I have is better. I know what one is better spec wise, But I have a feeling the other machine actually preforms better.
[23:17] <ianm_> ActionParsnip: tried it, logged out / in, same chunky movement
[23:17] <rustler770> Anyone use gnupg/enigmail?
[23:17] <OerHeks> i have de-installation issues with a commercial app called "Xeoma" in software centre. i askes here for days, no answer ..
[23:19] <W4sp> rustler770: Could you ask specific questiosn.
[23:20] <TaJMoX> zumo_ I am also interested.
[23:21] <Bravia> Hello: Any idea about this comment: Openbox is a minimalistic and lightweight window manager that is known to run much faster than metacity, its bulkier counterpart. And you can easily get it working while still using Gnome as your window manager / desktop environment. By running Openbox inside the Gnome environment your desktop will become cleaner and faster.
[23:21] <rustler770> I want to use my Thunderbird windows certs and import them into Ubuntu thunderbird
[23:21] <Bravia> can some one tell me what openbox exactly is please.
[23:22] <TaJMoX> Bravia it draws windows in Xorg
[23:22] <i7c> Bravia: it's a window manager ;) it takes care of drawing windows, also moving resizing etc
[23:22] <TaJMoX> Bravia I mean, it's part of Xorg if you choose to use it, it will take over for the Window Manager you are currently using
[23:22] <i7c> Bravia: it's a piece of software that you normally never notice because it just works
[23:23] <TaJMoX> !wm
[23:23] <Atrika> why am i getting a "connection refused" when trying to "git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git"
[23:23] <i7c> Bravia: different windows managers have different features. so some can move windows with special key combinations while others can't for example.
[23:24] <TaJMoX> ...Even ubottu doesn't know =)
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> ianm_: may help http://hustoknow.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/thinkpad-t510-laptops-mousetouchpad.html
[23:24] <W4sp> Bravia: Openbox is a window manager that interacts with our desktop manager.
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> Atrika: there was a datacentre move , it may still be affected
[23:24] <unodx> hello folks...anybody have problem with adjusting screen brightness after applying updates from ubuntu ?
[23:24] <Atrika> :(
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> unodx: does the system have a make and model?
[23:25] <W4sp> ianm_: Try to check with "xset m" if you can modify the mouse pointer speed.
[23:25] <unodx> its samsung laptop series 9...ubuntu 12.04 on it
[23:25] <blaggard> atrika: try back tomorrow
[23:26] <Bravia> W4sp:  Will it work faster as it says? I am using compiz effects too. If its workinf much faster and cleaner why ubuntu doesnt have it in default. What is the thing that I am missing about it?
[23:27] <phy1729> after apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop I need to reboot to get rid of the GUI correct?
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> phy1729, not the way to take care of that.
[23:28] <phy1729> how would you suggest?
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> phy1729, what desktop do you want?
[23:28] <phy1729> I want to get rid of all the non-server cruft too
[23:28] <W4sp> Bravia: That's somethign I can't answer. I would assume it is well a political decision made by canonical.
[23:28] <phy1729> none
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> phy1729, headless,
[23:28] <phy1729> I just want the CLI
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> phy1729, why didn't you just install the server?
[23:28] <nothingspecial> install the minimal version phy1729
[23:28] <phy1729> I didn't do the install
[23:29] <W4sp> phy1729: If you have the server installed how come that you have X?
[23:29] <phy1729> desktop was installed I would like to make it server
[23:29] <phy1729> I was told some time back to remove the desktop metapackage
[23:30] <W4sp> phy1729: Do you have Desktop installed? Do you now want to turn it into Ubuntu Server?
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> phy1729, others will be of more help here, but the desktop remove you suggest only removes a few things not the whole ubuntu gnome based pkgs
[23:30] <shade34321> On one of the computers the wired USB keyboard and mouse does not work any more, they were working previously before a reboot. I checked lsusb and it sees both any suggestions on other steps I can take to get them working again?
[23:30] <phy1729> W4sp: correct
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> shade34321: what about if you unplug, wait a short while then reconnect them?
[23:32] <Miggs> Hi guys. I have a pulseaudio/zeroconf question - I can find my network sound sink in avahi-discover (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1154444/ 5.1 Digital on xbmc@xbmc) but it doesn't show up in the list of devices in the sound control panel. paprefs is configured to allow access to remote devices locally. Any hints on how I can resolve this? Cheers
[23:33] <W4sp> phy1729: You can't turn desktop  into server by removing any deskto specific packages. The server has an optimized kernel. That said, you can turn a desktop into server and remove desktop specific packages afterwards (eg X).
[23:34] <sam101> does anyone know anything about ubuntu tv
[23:34] <shade34321> ActionParsnip: I tried that but I will try it again
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> phy1729, If it were me I would just reinstall the server, but to each their own.
[23:34] <ianm_> W4sp: any tips on what numbers to give it?  the slightest movement on the touchpad makes the mouse cursor jump many pixels
[23:34] <phy1729> wilee-nilee: already have too many customizations to go that route
[23:34] <W4sp> ianm_: Did you try the command I suggested?
[23:34] <svennp> can someone help me configuring metamodes for nvidia graphicks card? i currently have it working but it uses wrong monitor when i start games
[23:35] <phy1729> also that would incur too much down time
[23:35] <ianm_> W4sp: xset m?  yeah playing with it now
[23:35] <phy1729> W4sp: is there an easy way to change kernels?
[23:36] <dekan> Hello!
[23:36] <sam101> what is the diffrence between xterm and the terminal
[23:37] <ianm_> W4sp: it actually seems more precise vertically
[23:37] <W4sp> phy1729: I can't tell you at if there is a specific package to do what you want as I don't have Ubuntu under my fingertips. But the path should be 1. install server, 2. remove desktop specific. Also, as I said you don't turn desktop into server by removing any X related packages.
[23:37] <dekan> sam101: I guess not much of difference if you're doing basic stuff.
[23:38] <Artemis3> sam101, xterm is a terminal for X, do you mean a console?
[23:38] <shade34321> ActionParsnip: I just plugged them back in, in different ports just in case the ports were bad and they still don't work and lsusb shows them again
[23:39] <phy1729> W4sp: what meta package is that? there isn't a ubuntu-server
[23:40] <zally666> videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[23:41] <Artemis3> zally666, aww, well you know what to do ;)
[23:41] <zally666> :)
[23:41] <zally666> lol
[23:41] <zally666> i give up
[23:41] <zally666> i'll buy a dlink network tv server
[23:42] <zally666> got a link ?
[23:42] <W4sp> ianm_: Well, you may need to create an xorg.conf file. Pease can you let me know your ThinkPad X model again?
[23:42] <ianm_> W4sp: X230
[23:44] <TaJMoX> What do I press to open the boot loader before startup?
[23:44] <TaJMoX> So I can revert to other kernels if I must
[23:44] <TaJMoX> And give boot options, recovery, etc
[23:44] <sam101> hi
[23:45] <sam101> does anyone now about ubuntu tv
[23:45] <Phr3d13> i am having an issue while web browsing and while trying to use pithos, with pithos (pandora client) i get this error: http://pastie.org/4547075
[23:46] <svennp> can anyone please give me some help with metamodes for nvidia graphicks card? i have been trying to get games showing up on monitor 1 for about 3 hours now :L
[23:46] <sam101> u need to label ur tag
[23:47] <snagglepuss> TaJMoX:  grub2 menu at boot: hold down shift key
[23:48] <linuxuz3r> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS1zh45Fts&feature=related
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> linuxuz3r, please don't spam the channel. :)
[23:49] <linuxuz3r> fudgees you
[23:49] <W4sp> ianm_: According to my finding it shoudl use the synaptics driver.
[23:50] <wilee-nilee> linuxuz3r, lol, you know a pre-pubescent cognitive development is so impressive.
[23:50] <linuxuz3r> i was just jking
[23:50] <linuxuz3r> i didnt even spam
[23:52] <TaJMoX> May someone please recommend a fun MMO?
[23:52] <TaJMoX> Thanks snagglepuss
[23:52] <linuxuz3r> wizards 101
[23:52] <W4sp> ianm_: I mentioned this because it could have been detected as PS/2 Mouse.
[23:53] <ianm_> W4sp: 'xinput' shows SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[23:54] <W4sp> phy1729: I can't tell you but there shoudl be one. Given that your system is in production I recommend to backup and even dd your OS partitions prior any upgrade.
[23:54] <Phr3d13> i am having an issue while web browsing and while trying to use pithos, with pithos (pandora client) i get this error: http://pastie.org/4547075
[23:55] <W4sp> ianm_: Excellent. Now we need to figure out if X loads the driver. Can you check with your Xorg.0.log in /var/log? It shoudl tell how the drivers are loaded.
[23:56] <Phr3d13> just got this one while trying to log in to report a bug in launchpad: http://pastie.org/4547144
[23:57] <W4sp> ianm_: Also, you may need to create an xorg.log (Xorg :1 -configure > ~/xorg.conf.new) as root
[23:57] <ianm_> W4sp: yeah it looks like the synaptic driver, x-axis range 1472-5768, y-axis 1408-5062