[06:16] <alkisg> In 16.04, when we install the nvidia drivers from software-properties-gtk, are we supposed to get a xorg.conf? I didn't get one, yet Xorg.log says the nvidia module was loaded...
[06:17] <alkisg> If we don't need a xorg.conf... does that also mean that the nvidia drivers now can cooperate better, i.e. to have them installed even when we don't have nvidia cards? (most useful in ltsp where a single image boots many clients, some with nvidias and some without)
[07:22] <tjaalton>  no and no
[07:24] <tjaalton> xserver is patched to try nvidia
[16:49] <alkisg> Thank you tjaalton :)


[00:17] <uofm49426> how do i add windows xp to the grub 2 in lubuntu it didnt put it in buy default
[00:24] <szczur> uofm49426, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#Windows%20partition%20does%20not%20show%20up%20in%20GRUB
[00:25] <uofm49426> install os-prober. then sudo update grub
[00:25] <szczur> yup
[05:32] <UBuxuBU> good morning lubuntu engineers.
[05:33]  * Unit193 is just a random user
[05:33] <Unit193> But hello UBuxuBU!
[05:33]  * UBuxuBU nods to use...
[05:33] <UBuxuBU> its  ok man
[08:07] <jayant> hi all
[08:09] <jayant> I want to add kalarm to start during startup. On the application's settings the start at login button is checked. But it doesn't start when i boot my system. Can somebody help me with that please.
[14:00] <kbhat> hello All
[14:00] <kbhat> I'm testing Lubuntu 11.04 beta1
[14:01] <kbhat> I see no icons for nm-applet and my dropbox client in the notification area
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> nm-applet?
[14:01] <bioterror> network manager
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> Network?
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh...that's a known bug
[14:01] <kbhat> yes, network
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> (We might need to put it on the wiki/mailing-list)
[14:02] <MrChrisDruif> And dropbox I'm not sure
[14:02] <MrChrisDruif> Have you got indicators installed/added to the panel?
[14:02] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not sure why Lubuntu doesn't use them by default...was told to me yesterday, but I forgot
[14:03] <MrChrisDruif> (I'll check my logs)
[14:04] <kbhat> if its a known bug then I'm fine... was just asking
[14:04] <kbhat> I'm not sure how I need to check "indicators installed/added to the panel"
[14:05] <kbhat> forgot to mention that my "Volume control" and XChat icons appear fine
[14:06] <kbhat> and also the wx python demo app icon appears just fine
[14:08] <kbhat> if the existing bug requires additional info, please let me know... if its already been nailed down, then ignore my question... I can easily wait for the next build
[14:09]  * MrChrisDruif looking
[14:10] <MrChrisDruif> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/741385 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/746495 <= for the network icon
[14:13] <MrChrisDruif> kbhat: (01:07:05 AM) gilir: the implementation of indicators is not good enough for now in Lubuntu <= reason why they aren't turned on by default in Lubuntu
[14:13] <kbhat> thanks guys, both these bugs have the info I've given, so nothing new that I see!
[14:13] <MrChrisDruif> kbhat: You could mark that your affected
[14:18] <kbhat> thanks MrChrisDruif, I marked I'm affected
[14:19] <kbhat> one more thing, how do I check memory leaks
[14:19] <kbhat> cos I can't believe I'm using 1.8 GB of my memory
[14:21] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know
[14:21] <MrChrisDruif> What are you running?
[14:21] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't there system-monitor around?
[14:21] <kbhat> I saw lxtask... nothing significant... firefox tops the list with 98MB
[14:22] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...
[14:28] <kbhat> arghh... I closed most programs and it did not help much
[14:29] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm...weird
[14:29] <kbhat> but I closed gdebi-gtk and another sudo that I don't know how I started them - memory dropped 700MB
[14:30] <kbhat> still at 1GB though... but one of these programs I killed was consuming a lot
[14:31] <kbhat> unfortunately, I don't know how to analyse mem leaks... otherwise I would trace the consumption of 1GB
[14:32] <MrChrisDruif> You could try top or htop, preferably the latter in terminal
[14:33] <MrChrisDruif> It gives a more detailed view
[14:33] <MrChrisDruif> Of running apps
[14:42] <kbhat> ok, htop shows 192MB
[14:42] <kbhat> so I think "free" shows something else added
[14:43] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know....mind is a bit wandering about....not a real clear vision...didn't have much sleep last few days
[14:46] <kbhat> :-), I think I'll need to do a bit of reading about this in the internet
[14:51] <MrChrisDruif> Probably
[17:41] <MrChrisDruif> UndiFineD: Can you take a small look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/sandbox
[17:43] <MrChrisDruif> I'm rewriting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing a bit so it refers to files instead of precisely mentioning md5sums and file-sizes
[17:44] <MrChrisDruif> on the wiki itself
[17:49] <MrChrisDruif> I my opinion the file-size of the iso's should be added to the md5sum.txt, but gilir said I needed to discuss it with phillw, but he didn't respond yet (probably hardware-failure). And I thought to remember you did also wiki work and I wanted some results, so I hope you could take a look at it
[17:58] <MrChrisDruif> UndiFineD: ^
[18:23] <UndiFineD> "The third alpha of the 11.04 series is out in the wild for testing."
[18:23] <UndiFineD> "Lubuntu Natty 11.04 Beta 1 Released"
[18:24] <UndiFineD> inconsistent
[18:24] <UndiFineD> I would avoid using versions at al
[18:25] <UndiFineD> and where version specific info is needed mark it with extra care
[18:30] <Malina> I would just avoid natty for a good while altogether UndiFineD
[18:31] <Malina> whats strange however, is when I run this livecd of lubu 10.10 my unlocled cores work great , inlcuidn gin bencmarks but any root install , they obv. r failing grrr
[18:31] <Malina> sorry had a cig. in my hand
[18:31] <UndiFineD> Malina, this was in response to MrChrisDruif wiki work
[18:33] <Malina> and mine was just my after-thoughts after testing installs of 2 beta installs [(k)ubuntu]
[18:33] <Malina> the beta does indeed seem to come fast in after alpa3
[18:33] <Malina> alpha
[18:34] <Malina> and I had nothing but bugs, so I put lubu 10.10.iso as my livece HD image
[18:34] <Malina> along with tinycore, dban, winpe 3.0 for W7 and a scratc hdir for a flat livecd when and if I want to install another partition but ok, that was a digression
[18:35] <UndiFineD> Malina, I know Alpha 3 has been tested, for that, people use test cases, and they did not encounter much trouble, so it was time to move to beta
[18:35] <Malina> I admit, however since both kubu and ubu natty crashed during both installs and also the gui shell during use, I haven't tried lubuntu natty
[18:35] <UndiFineD> if you encounter trouble, file bugs
[18:35] <Malina> well, to me it is strange then , how many bugs I encountered instantly
[18:36] <Malina> I try but it crashes :)
[18:36] <Malina> ;)
[18:36] <Malina> Kwin crashes when I try sending bug, and unity shell crap thingy also crasshes a lot but at least it instantly restarts
[18:37] <Malina> either way, they are a done deal, I am not moving to natty so moved to lubuntu 10.10  + arch + squeeze for a virtual server (which will move to a box in august as production serv)
[18:37] <Malina> I might try natty when it is fully released and a bit track proven, say May
[18:37] <Malina> by that I mean, lubuntu natty and* normal ubuntu
[18:37] <UndiFineD> :)
[18:37] <Malina> :)
[18:38] <UndiFineD> if you work on lubuntu I bet gilir could use a few extra hands
[18:39] <Malina> but I at this very moment am playing again with the machine as I finally got all backups doen and could wipe the disk... so I put my oem ntfa partition at *end* of disk and boot a stand alone grub2 + windows boot in there.. with the recovery environment there, which my scripts auto link to a win 7 os if I install it in the logical partitions, and the same with the grub2
[18:39] <Malina> and the iso's reside on the ntfs... I alwys thought it stupid to waste those first gigs at start of disk for a recovery system pfff
[18:39] <Malina> and for a dual system, I always was annoyed that I needed preferrably to run 2 partitions, one 'win' and one 'linux' to hold boot stuff.. entriely pointless
[18:40] <Malina> again, this is digressive ramble lol
[18:40] <Malina> sorry
[18:40] <Malina> for what UndiFineD ?
[18:40] <Malina> I am not* trying the lubuntu natty if you meant for bug testing?
[18:41] <Malina> sorry, natty didn't impress me so far,  in fact, made me move away from *ubuntu (except the lubuntu 10.10 as it is a very nice combo of .deb + lightweight) :)
[18:41] <UndiFineD> lubuntu is made by a very few people, and they can use help everywhere
[18:41] <Malina> well.... I *lose* my 'rights' on *buntu when I compile my own packages , eg. the kernel..
[18:42] <Malina> so not sure how well I would fit... I like to recompile some things like FF / kernel with my specific optimisation flags
[18:42] <Malina> well the natty kernel is ok and I wouldn't need ot do it with that one, I admit
[18:43] <Malina> but still.. I want to be able to repackage a bit without getting slappe on the hand tbh
[18:44] <Malina> so I ventured to arch... and tbh, darn it's fast, modular and very much your own way of thinking.. BUT unlike*ubu/debian it lacks a lot of finesse of course inthe total shell of it (shell here meaning as in shellhouse, , it needs patching, configruring and security adjustments)
[18:45] <Malina> but UndiFineD , I am these days, doing testing on dual boot windows solutions (I have to, as it's part of what i do) and also well past weeks lost myself from ubuntu (due to natty() and am testign a bit.. but when I am back on irc more stable-like, I will happily ad dmyself here at least
[18:45] <UndiFineD> I do not live to maintain my system, I rather pick my fight at its roots
[18:45] <Malina> add*
[18:45] <Malina> aaah, LFS I see
[18:45] <Malina> yesh? ;)
[18:45] <Malina> (joke)
[18:45] <UndiFineD> I used to play with LFS
[18:46] <Malina> ye, it can be fun
[18:46] <UndiFineD> but ... it is a lot of work to get a blfs and maintain it
[18:47] <UndiFineD> I think it is very educational
[18:47] <UndiFineD> but not for production use
[18:47] <Malina> and I agree..linux has always been the choice of meddling around in one's box.. thus it has two paradigmes one could say: 'to those who needs things t get things done aka stability and [performance/ease of use], and choice of configuring/hardening/customising one's own box for education/security/customised desires
[18:47] <Malina> windows only does the former
[18:48] <Malina> of cuorse not, I agree with you entirely
[18:48] <Malina> the only way LFS can go production, is in fact becming a true distro really
[18:48] <Malina> sure.. one could keep it static, meaning it would outdate, lock it down, hell, not even need a package manager.. and try and hammer out all bugs...
[18:48] <UndiFineD> they have hints on package management
[18:49] <Malina> but if one wants it to be out of such a shell and production in the real world and update stuff even, it's obvious this is why distros exist which are an extension of that
[18:49] <Malina> Ye, I know UndiFineD  :)
[18:49] <Malina> in fact, I was wondering if the smart package manager could be used as a stand alone packing manager
[18:50] <Malina> if so, could be nice tu put on top of a lfs
[18:50] <UndiFineD> maybe, but this is mostly LFS and we are in #lubuntu
[18:53] <Malina> so thuis, we can not speak about general things?
[18:53] <Malina> :)
[18:54] <UndiFineD> yes we can :)
[18:54] <Malina> :)
[18:54] <Malina> lfs is an educational project, more thana nanything, it's not like some 'direct rival' as the many linuces feel about the many distros :D
[18:54] <Malina> what did you use before lubuntu?
[18:55] <Malina> and if you did ubuntu, than before that , if any?
[18:55] <Malina> or rather, any other wm's/de's?
[18:57] <Malina> well anyway, why I decided I will probvably keep lubuntu 10.10 only as my livecd (ah yes, along with puppy.. and tinycore for testing).. is because if I wish to stay to 10.10 I think I have to start pinning packages to avoid updates?
[19:03] <UndiFineD> I am still using Ubuntu, but I think Lubuntu is doing great work, which should be supported too
[19:03] <UndiFineD> before that I have tried so many distros
[19:21] <Malina> ye
[19:22] <Malina> well, the thing is
[19:22] <Malina> to me, say distro / ldistro, should be headless + putting fluxbox lxde etc
[19:22] <Malina> on say
[19:22] <Malina> it shouldn't need* like a full on distro fork
[19:23] <Malina> however*, having said that, for each wm/de say, things break or some configration which is different is necessary and this is where such things come in.. people maintaining *for* you
[19:23] <Malina> so again, these distros are great for former paradimge: 'it just works'
[19:23] <Malina> and lubuntu 10.10 is a great nice light weight distro
[19:24] <Malina> but all the ubuntus are a fork of debian, and configuring a wm on top I think is not really a full distro as such
[19:25] <Malina> headless ubuntu + apt-get install some-wm = one distro... flavours however, in linux these days, get tagged as a 'distro'
[19:25] <Malina> I don't really see it as such myself
[19:26] <Malina> but if you want a proper systme where you , yourself dig in and make sure all works... then you are ultimately going rather for a hardened ubunt server base say, installing the X/wm you need and then you yourself make sure all configurations are according to your wishes and desires
[19:26] <Malina> and the repositories or how your own compiled binaries, fit into this systme of yours, define a distro...
[19:28] <UndiFineD> well that is the thing, in the past people could maintain all those WM, but today these have become so large and diverse that a single WM and all related items to it consume so much time
[19:28] <Malina> so I would go as far a calling ubuntu a fork of debian and *ubuntus flavours of that.. so like an umbrella where the handle is debian, stem is ubuntu (eg those two as servers benchmark well this), and the spindles out making the umbrella are the *buntus
[19:28] <Malina> sure.. Im not saying lubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu shouldn't exist as they do.. everythign always persists for a reasons
[19:29] <Malina> but* I am just saying, the words soemtimes are not so accurate, like 'distros' and maintenance-flavours
[19:30] <Malina> which again, often when a gorup says, OK we shall maintain this direction/flavour, also during updates, decide how the pre-configured systme stands, (which packages bla bla) for anyone who know slinux, one knows all these things can be uninstalled, removed., adjusted, added, reocmpiled, bla bla... its for the novice users , that WYSIWYG installations exist, and also for convenience (to them) call themselves 'distros'
[19:31] <Malina> in the strcitest sense, ubuntu would hardly be even a fork but a flavour of debian, I'd say
[19:32] <Malina> either way, it is the de facto standard of today to call maintenance-flavours for distros and well, no worries
[19:33] <Malina> there are many loosely defining words we use in our language and not everythign has to be in practical terms as defined as in theoretical terms :)
[19:34] <Malina> AH CRAP... have to lock my cores again and boot into disk, and sort out sopcast or veetle!!!! gotta watch my rivals LOSE hopefully! :P
[19:34] <Malina> catch ya aruond
[20:22] <uofm49426> can i post a problem with listen that i added to lubuntu
[20:22] <bioterror> you can share your problem with us
[20:23] <ericy> Go.
[20:24] <uofm49426> when a song goes to the next song . it act's like its playing
[20:25] <uofm49426> but nothing but a little fuz
[20:25] <uofm49426> i stop the song and manually push play it starts playing
[20:26] <uofm49426> understand what im trying to say
[20:27] <uofm49426> is it a gstreamer problem or listen
[20:27] <ericy> uofm49426:  Yes, I understand.  What software are you running? And are you playing from CD or mp3 files?
[20:28] <uofm49426> mp3 wma
[20:28] <uofm49426> lubuntu 10.10
[20:28] <ericy> uofm49426:  What software player are you using?
[20:29] <uofm49426> listen
[20:30] <uofm49426> aqualung is just not a good media player you have to make a play list buy adding single songs
[20:30] <uofm49426> or atlest i dont know how to make it show all my music
[20:32] <uofm49426> sound like a electrical static weird noise
[20:33] <uofm49426> but if i stop the song play again the song its fine
[20:33] <uofm49426> but when it goes on to next song it back to doing it again
[20:35] <uofm49426> ubuntu should make should make a video program so you can record whats going on
[20:35] <ericy> uofm49426:  I was having that problem with Aqualung, today. While playing  a playlist of internet radio stations.
[20:36] <ericy> uofm49426:  You can add a directory of audio files, to the active playlist.
[20:37] <uofm49426> launchpad should take videos if you cant get a error me
[20:38] <uofm49426> idea i wonder if i run it in termal if it will see what happening
[20:42] <uofm49426> hey can i paste this to someone
[20:43] <szczur> !pastebin | uofm49426
[20:44] <uofm49426> warning player fadebin.streambin ala2f2c   mp3 already blocked
[20:45] <uofm49426> thats the short version
[20:46] <ericy> uofm49426:  OK.
[20:48] <uofm49426> a68ee3c stream " file:///home/my name/file.mp3
[20:58] <uofm49426> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589868/
[20:58] <uofm49426> ok there is what its doing
[21:04] <uofm49426> lubuntu-restricted addons extra is there a difference between ubuntus and xubuntu
[21:07] <uofm49426> ok i uninstalled ubuntu resticted  and installed lubuntu restricted on something wierd happened
[21:08] <leszek> hi
[21:10] <uofm49426> ever song i started to play keep playing so im listening to skillet i hade monster ,awake and live, and its not me its you playing at the sametime in same player
[21:11] <uofm49426> every song i started to play keep playing so im listening to skillet i hade monster ,awake and live, and its not me its you playing at the same time in same player
[21:13] <caro> hello
[21:13] <caro> i have a problem copying the screen
[21:13] <caro> nothing happens when pressing the prtscrn touch
[21:13] <caro> on a dell laptop
[21:14] <caro> is there some tool to copy the screen in some other way ?
[21:14] <ericy> caro:  Yes, in a terminal run scrot.  man scrot
[21:15] <caro> ok i will try
[21:15] <caro> merci ericy
[21:22] <ericy>    Question -- How can I get a configuration file to be re-loaded (without having to re-boot)? My top panel disappeared. (/home/user/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/top  filelength became 0)  I copied "top" from a backup (file length = 2.9 KB.
[21:24] <uofm49426> going to try exaile
[21:26] <Unit193> ericy: killall xfce4-panel
[21:27] <ericy> Unit193:  OK, I will try it.
[21:28] <uofm49426> exaile don't have the same problem ericy would be a good option for lubuntu 11.04
[21:28] <Unit193> ericy: Then alt+f2and run: xfce4-panel
[21:30] <Unit193> I need to "sudo updatedb && locate my mp3 player" ;)
[21:30] <ericy> Unit193:  Because of this problem my alt-f2 is not working (I had all of my controls on the top panel) My bottom panel only has switcher bar and destop switcher.
[21:32] <ericy> Unit193:  I am running Lubuntu 10.10, and I don't think I have xfce installed!
[21:32] <Unit193> ericy: Doesn't work after killall xfce4-panel?
[21:32] <Unit193> Crap!.... was still thinking #xubuntu...
[21:33] <Unit193> killall lxpanel
[21:33] <Unit193> then run: lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[21:34] <ericy> Unit193:  Ok, I killall-ed the lxpanel (and my bottom panel is now disappeared).
[21:35] <ericy> Unit193:  Can I run it in a terminal also?
[21:35] <Unit193> Sure, but I don't know if you can close it after...
[21:36] <ericy> Unit193:  ...that's my point.
[21:48] <Unit193> ericy: Grrr.... You can do lxpanelctl restart... but only if it's running (still looking to do it another way)
[21:51] <ericy> Unit193:  Well, actually I will be going to bed soon (it's 03:50 AM here). I will either suspend or shutdown. I won't need any more help on it. Thanks so much.
[21:52] <ericy> Unit193:  Oh, my panels are much better now. Thanks.
[21:58] <Unit193> ericy: You can logout then back in (that's what I just did..)
[22:04] <ericy> Unit193: Do you mean as a method to restart my desktop & panels ?
[22:15] <Unit193> ericy: Yeah, that worked for me (next time just use lxpanelctl restart)


 I'd like to automate the installation of sun-java6-jre_6-06-0ubuntu1_all.deb, but I need to accept terms and conditions, which is not suitable for automation. How can I avoid this, I think dpkg-preconfigure is the way to go, but I'm not sure how to use it.
[09:07] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, i think you might have to make your own package (or edit the existing one), i dont see any options in apt etc to automaticly let it choose yes, the dpkg-preconfigure just lets you answer the questions before installation, you will still have to press yes afaik
[09:07] <ablomen> cant find anything on google either
[09:08] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: i'm using preseeding to automaticly answer question, but as java in not in the CD, i didn't put the .deb under the /pool structure of the CD
[09:14] <ablomen> hmm, and you cant create your own iso to do that? or is it to late for that?
[09:28] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: well, I've tried remastering a xubuntu CD
[09:28] <AlexCONRAD> but it's so heavy doing that, you need to create gpg keys, regenerate all kinds of meta data files and such
[09:29] <AlexCONRAD> plus, i failed doing so, the installation was much longer than the original ... I must have screwed something
[09:39] <cider> , now my terminal is all screwed up, the appearance is hazy, and no input is visible
[09:40] <cider>  upgraded my xubuntu from 7.10 to 8.04
[09:51] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: for your information, I think I have found the answer to my question: debconf-set-selections
[09:51] <AlexCONRAD> that should help putting the packages questions into the DB conf
[09:53] <cider> sorry, I'll re-word, I upgraded my xubuntu from 7.10 to 8.04, now my terminal is all screwed up, the window appears out of sync, and when you type, no input is visible
[09:53] <AlexCONRAD> that way, I can pre-answer the question, and when i'll run the java install, it will see the questions have already been answered
[09:53] <AlexCONRAD> sorry cider, I'm not xubuntu expert user... I wish i could help
[09:53] <AlexCONRAD> i'm new to desktop environement
[09:59] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, ah nice, is it working?
[10:00] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: well ... this actually only sets the answers in the database ... I don't know yet how to retrieve the questions from the deb file to answer them
[10:01] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: that was posted on a list: echo "sun-java5-jdk shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true" | debconf-set-selections
[10:02] <AlexCONRAD> but Im' not sure I do have the same "question" from my debs
[10:02] <ablomen> hmm
[10:02] <AlexCONRAD> maybe I have to query the .deb file with somehow to show me that info
[10:03] <ablomen> yeah you could try extracting it and then grepping all the files
[10:04] <AlexCONRAD> right, i'm just don't know how to do that yet
[10:05] <ablomen> ehm i think you can just extract a .deb file with the archive manager
[10:05] <ablomen> lemme check
[10:06] <ablomen> yeah you can just right click on a file and choose archive manager
[10:06] <ablomen> in there are tar.gz files that you can just extract to say your /tmp directory
[10:07] <ablomen> and then run grep -r "agree" * in the folder where you extracted the contents
[10:07] <ablomen> maybe that will give you what you want to know
[10:09] <AlexCONRAD> hum... I can try that, but I bet there is some command where you can just "command --get-selections mydeb.deb"
[10:09] <AlexCONRAD> and it would just print out the data
[10:10] <AlexCONRAD> because I need to do that for multiple file, so unpacking the deb is not a solution
[10:10] <ablomen> heh yeah if there is a command for that that would be easyer :P
[10:11] <AlexCONRAD> when googling "debconf-set-selections", I expect to see some people that show how to extract the selections from a deb file, darn ...
[10:12] <AlexCONRAD> "debconf-set-selections can be used to pre-seed the debconf database with answers, or to change answers in the database. Each question will be marked as seen to prevent debconf from asking the question interactively."
[10:19] <cider> I upgraded my xubuntu from 7.10 to 8.04, now my terminal is all screwed up, the window appears out of sync, and when you type, no input is visible. Can anyone help?
[10:20] <ablomen> cider, can you defign screwed up and out of sync? (maybe a screenshot or two?)
[10:25] <cider> ok hang on
[10:25] <cider> where would you suggest a screenshot be placed?
[10:26] <ablomen> i think you can upload it to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:26] <ablomen> oh no, wait a sec
[10:28] <ablomen> grr
[10:28] <ablomen> just use something like http://imageshack.us/
[10:28] <ablomen> or http://tinypic.com/
[10:28] <ablomen> should both work fine
[10:30] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: http://blog.hjksolutions.com/articles/category/solutions
[10:30] <AlexCONRAD> this says I need to install the package first by hand, and query the answers from the database
[10:31] <ablomen> oh nice
[10:32]  * ablomen is gonna bookmark that just in case
[10:32] <cider> http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/malsgigphotos/terminal.jpg
[10:33] <AlexCONRAD> cider: the pixel artifacts... I think this might come from a font option
[10:33] <AlexCONRAD> the color Aberration
[10:34] <cider> was ok, til upgrade
[10:35] <AlexCONRAD> try going in Applications > Setting Manager > User interface and at the bottom of the windows, you'll have something about fonts and "use sub-pixel hinting"
[10:35] <ablomen> woah never seen anything like that
[10:35] <AlexCONRAD> try playing with that
[10:35] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, the whole window is screwed up too though
[10:36] <cider> "use sub-pixel hinting" did nothing
[10:36] <AlexCONRAD> right
[10:36] <ablomen> cider, after trying AlexCONRAD's thing, you might wanna try creating a new user, loging in to that user and open the terminal etc
[10:36] <ablomen> if its a problem in a user specific config file somewhere , that should fix that
[10:37] <cider> I'll enable that and log out , see if thast works
[10:37] <cider> brb
[10:37] <AlexCONRAD> cider: it turns out I felt on this article a few days ago: http://www.zarb.org/~gc/html/subpixel-hinting.html
[10:37] <AlexCONRAD> oops
[10:37] <AlexCONRAD> I'll have to send this again
[10:37] <AlexCONRAD> :)
[10:38] <ablomen> hehe :) really weird though how that whole window is.. broken
[10:38] <AlexCONRAD> cider: it turns out I felt on this article a few days ago: http://www.zarb.org/~gc/html/subpixel-hinting.html
[10:38] <AlexCONRAD> your windows looks even more broken that the article's issue, but just in case ... you can keep that somewhere in your mind
[10:39] <AlexCONRAD> cider: but ... is this happening *only* on the terminal ?
[10:39] <AlexCONRAD> the rest looks okay
[10:40] <cider> yes
[10:40] <cider> only on terminal
[10:40] <AlexCONRAD> if you have been playing with the terminal's look and feel, you might want to reset things... maybe settings have changed and might screw your window ... i don't knwo. ..
[10:41] <AlexCONRAD> maybe like deleting (backup) the config file where the terminal's preferences are stored
[10:41] <cider> only thing i did was upgrade
[10:42] <AlexCONRAD> cider: maybe the API of the conf file has changed between the two version
[10:42] <cider> mmm
[10:42] <AlexCONRAD> although, I don't belive that's the issue...
[10:42] <AlexCONRAD> but you could give it a try
[10:42] <AlexCONRAD> i don't know where the terminal's conf is stored though
[10:44] <AlexCONRAD> cider: have you tried reinstalling the terminal app ?
[10:44] <cider> believe I did, will try again
[10:44] <AlexCONRAD> like, totally remove it (purge) and reinstall
[11:08] <cider> mmm, fixed, uninstalled the xfce terminal emulator, and installed a different one from add/remove and all seems to be well
[11:16] <AlexCONRAD> cider: good to hear
[11:16] <AlexCONRAD> cider: good to read
[11:17] <cider> cheers
[11:36] <MrNaz> is there a replacement for the gnome network manager that doesn't totally suck?
[11:38] <Riotta> just uninstall it
[11:38] <Riotta> it really suck :d
[11:39] <Riotta> it's easier to setup your network in terminal
[11:39] <MrNaz> yes, but i dont want to be editing /etc/interfaces with vim every time i move my laptop either
[11:39] <MrNaz> it's what?
[11:39] <MrNaz> easier to set it up in terminal?
[11:39] <MrNaz> you're obviously not a traveller :P
[11:40] <Riotta> yeah I'm haven't got laptop really
[11:40] <Riotta> I*
[12:37] <kripz> how can i text if my microphone is working?
[12:37] <kripz> test
[12:38] <gabkdlly> rec will do what you ask
[12:39] <gabkdlly> although you can use any program that takes sound in from the mic and can store it and give it back to you
[12:39] <kripz> i dont know of any programs :)
[12:40] <gabkdlly> oops, I guess you need to install sox to use rec
[12:41] <gabkdlly> rec is a command-line tool
[13:02] <slimjimflim> anybody anybody know where to find a repo for qt4.4 dev-tools
[14:10] <supta> bump
[14:45] <olafski> hey guys.. I'm trying to get the nvidia-glx-legacy driver to work with my tnt2; it works now but it won't go over 800x600, while I need 1440x900. Could anyone give me some pointers? I've tried quite many things that I found on the ubuntu forums, but couldn't get it over 1280x1024
[14:45] <AlexCONRAD> hi, what's the package that holds the kernel sources ?
[14:50] <TheSheep> olafski: try increasing the video memory in bios
[14:50] <olafski> hmm.. a tnt2 has shared memory?
[14:51] <TheSheep> olafski: you can also examine the logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.lo to see why it is rejecting the resolutions
[14:51] <olafski> or does that not matter.. I'll check it out :) using the modeline gtf gave me doesn't work anyhow
[14:51] <TheSheep> olafski: no idea, but it's a common pitfall
[14:51] <olafski> ah that sounds like it's worth a shot
[14:51] <olafski> I'm getting quite tired of working with no legacy drivers :<
[14:54] <olafski> I don't really see any errors in there, except stuff like this:
[14:54] <olafski> (II) VESA(0): Not using built-in mode "1600x1200" (width too large for virtual size)
[14:55] <olafski> I'll go check out the bios
[14:58] <TheSheep> olafski: you're sure it's using the nvidia driver, not the vesa one?
[14:59] <olafski> let's say I'm not too linux-savvy.. I enabled the restricted driver in the restricted driver manager and it says it's enabled :$
[15:00] <olafski> works a lot faster than before I enabled it, but only on the low resolution
[15:01] <olafski> after adding the modeline I got from gtf, I can only do 640x480 (no other resolutions in the list), before it showed everything up to 800x600
[15:03] <TheSheep> the logs should say which driver X are loading
[15:03] <TheSheep> somewhere a little before the line you pasted
[15:03] <olafski> I'll check
[15:04] <olafski> hard to read with this low resolution :(
[15:07] <olafski> I can't find it :{
[15:15] <olafski> hm guess I'll give up for now.. time to go home :p
[15:56] <AlexCONRAD> hi, I'm trying to compile a module, but make is complaining about not finding this folder: /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build/ Im I missing a package to properly compile my source?
[16:12] <TheSheep> !kernel | AlexCONRAD
[16:12] <The_Kernel> hello all
[16:12] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: this may be helpful, I hope
[16:13] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: i'll read about this, thanks
[19:36] <xTheSaintx> Hello
[19:37] <xTheSaintx> I have xubuntu on my laptop, and i wana get on the internet
[19:37] <xTheSaintx> i have a wireless card in, how do i select the connection?
[19:38] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: is your wireless cad working?
[19:38] <xTheSaintx> Yes, it has a light on
[19:38] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: can you pastbin the output of "iwconfig" ?
[19:38] <Odd-rationale> !paste
[19:39] <xTheSaintx> iwconfig?
[19:39] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: yes. type "iwconfig" (without quotes) in a terminal
[19:39] <xTheSaintx> yeh
[19:39] <xTheSaintx> i get like
[19:39] <xTheSaintx> lo   no wireless extensions
[19:39] <Odd-rationale> and copy and paste the output in a pastebin
[19:40] <xTheSaintx> eth0   no wireless extensions
[19:40] <xTheSaintx> im on my other comp
[19:40] <Odd-rationale> oh, ok.
[19:40] <xTheSaintx> im not on my laptop, it has not connection
[19:40] <xTheSaintx> thats what im trying to get >.<
[19:40] <gaurdro> you can still put it into a pastebin though.
[19:40] <xTheSaintx> its got wlan0  IEEE 802.11b+/g+ ESSID"
[19:40] <xTheSaintx> etc..
[19:41] <xTheSaintx> whats a pastebin kinda new to linux
[19:41] <Odd-rationale> can you wire your laptop?
[19:41] <xTheSaintx> yes
[19:41] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: it might be easiest to be on both computers...
[19:42] <xTheSaintx> im on my pc now
[19:42] <xTheSaintx> and my laptop next to me
[19:42] <gaurdro> xTheSaintx  it's a place where you can put large blocks of text so they don't clutter the channel, or get you booted for flooding.
[19:42] <gaurdro> http://pastebin.com/
[19:42] <xTheSaintx> (PC=Windows) - (Laptop=XUbuntu)
[19:42] <xTheSaintx> so i go wire my laptop?
[19:43] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: sure. if you can have both connected that would be easiest
[19:43] <xTheSaintx> errm how about i write it all?
[19:43] <xTheSaintx> and send u pastebin
[19:43] <Odd-rationale> ok. that's fine too.
[19:49] <xTheSaintx> http://pastebin.com/m3ae33a75
[19:49] <xTheSaintx> errm i kinda wright most of it
[19:49] <xTheSaintx> its still got some left
[19:49] <xTheSaintx> but i dont think thats important
[19:50] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: do you have the nm-applet in the system tray?
[19:50] <xTheSaintx> But how do i know if im on my connect or not?
[19:50] <xTheSaintx> nm-applet? - wait ill see if i can get in there
[19:51] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: nm-applet runs in the system tray.
[19:51] <xTheSaintx> i got this thing what sais Net][
[19:51] <xTheSaintx> but thats it
[19:51] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: make sure you have a system tray in the panel
[19:51] <xTheSaintx> it looks like Net|][|
[19:52] <xTheSaintx> ok tell me what to do
[19:52] <xTheSaintx> to see
[19:52] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: then do alt+f2 and type in nm-applet
[19:53] <xTheSaintx> no such file or directory
[19:53] <Odd-rationale> try in terminal instead.
[19:53] <xTheSaintx> not installed
[19:54] <xTheSaintx> can get by typeing : sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[19:54] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: what version of xubuntu do you have?
[19:54] <xTheSaintx> 4.4.1
[19:55] <Odd-rationale> no, i mean xubuntu. not xfce. try "lsb_release -a"
[19:55] <xTheSaintx> shall i wire my computer and type :  sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[19:55] <xTheSaintx> 7.10
[19:56] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: yes, install network-manager-gnome
[19:56] <Odd-rationale> or consider upgrading to 8.04 ;)
[19:56] <Odd-rationale> 8.04 LTS, to be exact
[19:57] <gaurdro> xTheSaintx  do you have xubuntu-desktop installed?
[19:57] <Odd-rationale> but 7.10 comes with nm-applet iirc
[19:58] <gaurdro> it should but it can be inadvertently removed during a depclean.
[19:58] <gaurdro> umm,  i mean autoremove.
[19:58] <Odd-rationale> gaurdro: true, i see.
[19:59] <Odd-rationale> well, when he is wired up, we'll have him reinstall xubuntu-desktop... or upgrade... ;)
[20:00] <gaurdro> I'd say do both,  I've had issues with upgrading without a xxx-desktop installed.
[20:00] <xTheSaintx> said :
[20:00] <xTheSaintx> could not lock something
[20:00] <xTheSaintx> like /var
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: you might have to "sudo apt-get update" first
[20:01] <gaurdro> and make sure synaptic isn't running.
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> or you might have another instance of apt running
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> !aptfix
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> or both... :)
[20:04] <xTheSaintx> ok
[20:04] <xTheSaintx> its updateing
[20:04] <xTheSaintx> 27%
[20:04] <xTheSaintx> connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com [connecting to security.ubuntu.com]
[20:04] <xTheSaintx> i mean 25%
[20:04] <Odd-rationale> ok good
[20:04] <xTheSaintx> its just stopped tho on 25%
[20:04] <Odd-rationale> just wait for that to finish first...
[20:04] <cody-somerville> For a second I thought this was #xubuntu-devel and was going to freak out at 65 people being in it :P
[20:05] <Odd-rationale> lol, you wish... ;)
[20:05] <xTheSaintx> but i dont think im connected
[20:05] <xTheSaintx> When i open firefox it just dosent do nowt
[20:05] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: i thought you are wired?
[20:05] <xTheSaintx> as if it isnt responding
[20:06] <xTheSaintx> i am wired >>.<<
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: firefox can be a bit slow....
[20:06] <xTheSaintx> it just sais : looking up www.google.com
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: the easest way to test connection is to "ping -c 3 yahoo.com"
[20:06] <xTheSaintx> and stops
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> in terminal that is...
[20:07] <xTheSaintx> unknown
[20:07] <xTheSaintx> oviosly it isnt working >.<
[20:07] <Odd-rationale> did "sudo apt-get update" fail?
[20:08] <xTheSaintx> ye i suppose
[20:08] <xTheSaintx> stopped on 25%
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: stop it then (ctrl+c)
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: then, with your wire connected, try "sudo dhclient eth0"
[20:09] <Odd-rationale> replace eth0 if your wired ethernet device. (usually it is eth0, though)
[20:09] <xTheSaintx> nice
[20:09] <xTheSaintx> works nw
[20:09] <xTheSaintx> now
[20:09] <xTheSaintx> ok
[20:09] <xTheSaintx> update done
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> ok. now do "sudo apt-get resinstall xubuntu-desktop"
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> reinstall
[20:10] <xTheSaintx> invalid
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> i misspelled reinstall,
[20:11] <xTheSaintx> i spelt it right
[20:11] <gaurdro> try just install
[20:12] <xTheSaintx> E: Invalid operation reinstall
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> hmm, i forgot my apt-get commands....
[20:12] <xTheSaintx> please instert disc
[20:12] <AlexCONRAD> hi, I have blacklisted under /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist a network module, but it keep loading up. What could be the reason ?
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: stop it, then...
[20:12] <xTheSaintx> xubuntu 7.10 _gutsy gibbon_ - beta i386
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: go to applications --> system --> software sources...
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> then uncheck the checkbos fo the cd...
[20:14] <Odd-rationale> then close it, run sudo apt-get update again, and try installing again
[20:14] <xTheSaintx> what checkbox?
[20:15] <xTheSaintx> im in Ubuntu Software tab
[20:15] <xTheSaintx> theres 5 checkbox's
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> go to the first tab. near th bottom, there should be a checkbox for the cd...
[20:16] <xTheSaintx> whats it say?
[20:16] <xTheSaintx> my last one is called Source Code
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: ok. nevermind. are you familiar with editing textfiles?
[20:16] <xTheSaintx> Odd, what if i gave u access to my laptop?
[20:17] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: you really would do that???
[20:17] <xTheSaintx> i can make u not have access after tho
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: well, it is not that difficult...
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> we'll irc first...
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> close the software sources app. run "gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.lst"
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> then comment out (with a #) the first or second line that lists the cd
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> save and close the file.
[20:20] <xTheSaintx> so in sources.lst
[20:21] <xTheSaintx> i type '#'
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: umm is there anything in that file?
[20:21] <xTheSaintx> errm i know a good friend and he will do acess with me
[20:22] <xTheSaintx> he is in the ubuntu team
[20:22] <xTheSaintx> i will see if he can do it first
[20:22] <gaurdro> i think you need: /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> gaurdro: as you can tell, i haven't used an ubuntu system in a while... trying to work off memeory...
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> or use tab completion ;)
[20:24] <gaurdro> Odd-rationale,  no worries.
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> well, my time is up. gtg!
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> xTheSaintx: you really should consider updating, especially since you are using 7.10 beta....
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> missed him... :(
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> anyways, bye!
[20:27]  * cody-somerville waves.
[21:19] <Shaba1> Hello all
[21:25] <cody-somerville> hi
[21:27] <N1ghtCrawler> Hi, i want to create a launcher for the terminal. How do i do? :>
[21:27] <ww_> hi. is there a way to make thunar sort files by file extension?
[21:32] <N1ghtCrawler> nvm fixed it :>
[21:36] <Shaba1> how?
[21:59] <anom01y> I am trying to install xubuntu on an older laptop but I keep running into problems
[21:59] <anom01y> I've tried 2 different cd's from two different downloads
[22:00] <anom01y> and when it is installing the base system I get a red error message
[22:02] <anom01y> every time I get a red error message
[22:03] <anom01y> "Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10-ubuntu3_i386.deb
[22:03] <anom01y> the debootstrap prorgam exited with an error
[22:03] <anom01y> the base system installation into /target failed.
[22:04] <anom01y> what do I have to do to install this to the HD ?
[22:04] <Myrtti> I got that too today
[22:04] <Myrtti> check that your installation disk is clean
[22:04] <anom01y> I got it twice from 2 cds
[22:04] <anom01y> yeah I did
[22:04] <anom01y> redownloaded it
[22:04] <anom01y> one from a torrent and the other straight from the site
[22:05] <anom01y> md5sum worked good,
[22:05] <Myrtti> did you check the ... :-D
[22:05] <anom01y> burned it at 8.0x dao
[22:05] <anom01y> both cd's give me the exact same error message
[22:05] <Myrtti> bummer
[22:07] <anom01y> yeah not sure why or what to do
[22:07] <anom01y> I guess you cant use it
[22:08] <anom01y> anyone else here ? I need help with the install cd
[22:08] <anom01y> Myrtti: do you think if I downloaded the live cd
[22:08] <anom01y> and install from there
[22:08] <anom01y> would be easier ??
[22:08] <siggjen> did you check the md5sum of the iso before you burned it?
[22:09] <anom01y> yes
[22:09] <anom01y> and I downloaded it twice
[22:09] <anom01y> I will check both downloads again
[22:10] <siggjen> you could try to burn at 1x speed
[22:10] <anom01y> ha I cant go that slow
[22:10] <anom01y> 8x is slowest
[22:10] <siggjen> lol (:
[22:12] <anom01y> WHAT if I got the live cd
[22:12] <anom01y> and istalled from there
[22:13] <Myrtti> worth a try, but can your computer handle the live session?
[22:13] <anom01y> yes
[22:13] <anom01y> maybe the cdrom is crappy or something
[22:14] <siggjen> isn't there a minimal Cd?
[22:15] <anom01y> I wish I could broadcast a video stream of the installation process lol
[22:15] <anom01y> it looks like it is going to install but I get that stupid error
[22:21] <Stroganoff> are we talking about the alternate cd?
[22:21] <Stroganoff> text based installer?
[22:22] <anom01y> yes
[22:22] <anom01y> Stroganoff: yes
[22:23] <anom01y> I am retrying it though
[22:23] <anom01y> instead of hitting "ok" on the error I hit "go back" and the installer keeps installing
[22:23] <anom01y> so I might be ok
[22:23] <anom01y> its at 53%
[22:23] <Stroganoff> also press ctrl+alt+f2 and check for more error messages
[22:23] <Stroganoff> use shift+pageup to scroll upwards
[22:24] <Stroganoff> ctrl+alt+f1 goes back to the installer
[22:31] <anom01y> ok
[22:31] <anom01y> install is complete
[22:31] <anom01y> which kernel should I use ?
[22:32] <anom01y> Stroganoff: linux-generic, linux-image-generic, or linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic
[22:33] <ojohn> :-/ howdy
[22:33] <Stroganoff> its all the same, anom01y
[22:34] <anom01y> stupid installation failed AGAIN
[22:37] <xTheSaintx> Hello guys, i got my wireless working and was wondering is there any good styles to install?
[22:38] <Stroganoff> anom01y more infos plox
[22:38] <anom01y> Stroganoff: ok well I will type every error I get
[22:38] <xTheSaintx> Does anyone know any good styles i can install?
[22:38] <anom01y> does it need the internet because I remember one error said unable to download
[22:39] <xTheSaintx> Does anyone know any good styles i can install?
[22:41] <anom01y> Stroganoff:
[22:41] <anom01y> Warning failure trying to run chroot /target dpkg
[22:41] <anom01y>  --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives
[22:41] <anom01y>  /libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[22:42] <anom01y> the debootstrap program exited with an error return value 1
[22:42] <anom01y> the base system installation into /target/ failed
[22:42] <anom01y> An installation step failed
[22:42] <anom01y> its like it works sometimes more than other times
[22:43] <ojohn> I have a bootloader problem I hope someone might be able to help with
[22:43] <xTheSaintx> Does anyone know any good styles i can install?
[22:43] <anom01y> xTheSaintx I am trying to install from the install version
[22:44] <ojohn> I used EasyBCD, in Vista, to modify the boot
[22:44] <anom01y> but I get random errors here and there, not sure if thats because the cdrom is crappy or not
[22:44] <ojohn> but the timeout was changed to 0 seconds for the initial screen which prompts to choose either Windows or Linux
[22:44] <anom01y> the computer only has 64mb ram
[22:44] <ojohn> since it defaults to Linux, that means I can't choose Vista at all - because of the 0 sec timeout
[22:45] <anom01y> Stroganoff: I think the laptop only has 64mb ram
[22:45] <anom01y> could that be the prob ?
[22:45] <ojohn> if choose vista in GRUB, it goes back to the screen with the 0 sec timeout, then back to GRUB
[22:45] <anom01y> I guess the laptop is garbage
[22:46] <Stroganoff> oops
[22:46] <Stroganoff> double oops
[22:47] <Stroganoff> my favourite bug
[22:47] <Stroganoff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/202959
[22:47] <Stroganoff> but these chroot errors are new for me
[22:47] <Stroganoff> anyway i'd try installing gutsy alternate...
[22:47] <anom01y> Stroganoff: hopefully the kubuntu installer cd I am going to try on a newer computer works
[22:48] <anom01y> Stroganoff: can you give me the link for the gutsy alternate for xubuntu ???
[22:48] <Stroganoff> http://tomfichtner.de/linux/wiki/LowMemory
[22:48] <Stroganoff> i only have this torrent lin
[22:49] <anom01y> Stroganoff: is this just as good as the one I was just trying ?????
[22:49] <Stroganoff> gutsy = ubuntu 7.10 = old version
[22:49] <Stroganoff> hardy = ubuntu 8.04 = current version
[22:49] <anom01y> still supported and works fine ???
[22:50] <Stroganoff> yes gutsy still works find and you can easily upgrade to hardy once it's installed
[22:50] <Stroganoff> see the mentioned wiki page for instructions. but maybe you have some different issues than my experience
[22:50] <anom01y> ok I will download it and follow the instructions
[22:51] <xTheSaintx> Hello?
[22:51] <xTheSaintx> Wat?
[22:51] <xTheSaintx> I asked what style i can download for xubuntu
[22:52] <Stroganoff> xTheSaintx there should be numerous styles already installed
[22:52] <Stroganoff> anyway http://www.xfce-look.org/
[23:01] <steven_> can i eneab;e mult workstations on xub?
[23:02] <cody-somerville> steven_, what do you mean?
[23:02] <steven_> hello cody!
[23:02] <steven_> how are you?>
[23:03] <steven_> you are the official helper no?
[23:03] <steven_> well i was wondering
[23:03] <steven_> on ubuntu
[23:03] <steven_> i have mult workstations
[23:03] <steven_> 4 to be exact
[23:03] <steven_> can i do that in xubuntu?
[23:03] <cody-somerville> Yup
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> steven_: you mean workspaces?
[23:03] <cody-somerville> Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Workspaces
[23:04] <steven_> thanks
[23:04] <steven_> hey how can install a new icon theme?
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> !theme
[23:04] <steven_> i downloaded a new theme
[23:04] <steven_> i have a tarball of it
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> whoops wrong one.
[23:04] <steven_> i can;'t drag and drop can i
[23:04] <cody-somerville> Unpack the icon archive in ~/.icons/
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-themes
[23:04] <steven_> i mean a new overall theme
[23:04] <steven_> i have it
[23:05] <steven_> i tried unpacking into ./themes
[23:05] <steven_> i will try again
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> must be ~/.themes not ./themes ...
[23:06] <steven_> Could not display the folder "file:///home/steven/themes"
[23:06] <steven_> any ideas?
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> try .themes
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> instead of themes
[23:07] <steven_> Error creating folder '/.themes': Permission denied
[23:07] <steven_> hmmm
[23:08] <steven_> weird
[23:08] <steven_> any ideas?
[23:09] <Stroganoff> ~/.themes
[23:09] <Stroganoff> or /home/steven/.themes
[23:09] <Stroganoff> or $HOME/.themes
[23:09] <Stroganoff> but not /.themes
[23:09] <steven_> Could not display the folder "file:///home/steven/.themes"
[23:10] <steven_> hmmm
[23:10] <steven_> i have
[23:10] <steven_> okay
[23:10] <steven_> from the top
[23:10] <steven_> i am in the folder where the tarball is
[23:11] <Stroganoff> http://healthlinks.washington.edu/howto/navigating/tilde.gif
[23:11] <steven_> i know!
[23:11] <steven_> lolol
[23:12] <steven_> trying
[23:12] <steven_> i am a bit of a n00b
[23:12] <steven_> okay opened tarball in archive manager
[23:12] <steven_> pressed extract button
[23:12] <steven_> it asks for location
[23:13] <Stroganoff> ~/.themes
[23:13] <steven_> Could not display the folder "file:///home/steven/.themes"
[23:13] <steven_> There is no default action associated with this location.
[23:13] <Stroganoff> o.O
[23:13] <steven_> ?
[23:14] <steven_> lol n00b help
[23:14] <Stroganoff> well
[23:14] <steven_> well
[23:14] <Stroganoff> i think the archive manager is crap
[23:14] <steven_> what should i use?
[23:14] <Stroganoff> the terminal :D
[23:14] <Stroganoff> !bash | steven_
[23:15] <Stroganoff> go to the directory containing the .tar.gz then run this:
[23:15] <Stroganoff> mkdir ~/.themes
[23:15] <Stroganoff> tar -xf style.tar.gz -C ~/.themes
[23:16] <Stroganoff> replace "style.tar.gz"
[23:17] <steven_> okay
[23:17] <steven_> done
[23:17] <steven_> hey it worked!
[23:18] <steven_> thanks guys!
[23:27] <steven_> hey the theme installed
[23:27] <steven_> but doesn't look at all like the screenshots
[23:27] <steven_> normal?
[23:38] <TheSheep> steven_: you might miss the theme engine that this theme uses
[23:38] <steven_> i think i am
[23:38] <steven_> what should i do?
[23:40] <steven_> how can i tweak themes?
[23:43] <TheSheep> steven_: they are just text files
[23:44] <TheSheep> steven_: you can edit them
[23:45] <steven_> hoping for a simple gui


[01:13] <topyli> not sure what akshatj is about in -ot, talking about pwning gay people in games. but i'm going to bed now
[03:09] <pangolin> handled ^
[18:38] <JoshuaP> Sorry for the Inconvenience
[18:38] <JoshuaP> My connection problems are fixed.
[18:47] <JoshuaP> Any ops available?
[18:47] <JoshuaP> nvm
 ActionParsnip: how many old ladies do *you* know who are on top of their backups?
[20:59] <oCean> hehe
[21:07] <Flannel> s/old ladies/people/
[21:07] <Flannel> I'd hazard a guess that a maximum of 20% of the people here are on top of theirs.
[21:08] <oCean> I'd say no more than 15%
[23:48]  * funkyHat checks...
[23:48] <funkyHat> Yep, last full backup 4 days ago, last incremental one about 6 hours ago.


[19:28] <jenkins> evening all
[20:37] <ChrisWoollard> evening
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> Who is here this evening?
[20:57] <dutchie> o/
[21:02] <ChrisWoollard> Heeeellllloooooooo. Anybody there.......
[21:03] <thymox> Hello - am I too late for the meeting? :)
[21:04] <ChrisWoollard> nope. hasn't started yet. In fact I have no idea who is here yet?
[21:05] <dutchie> there's a meeting?
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Yes
[21:05] <dutchie> hmm
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Did you not read your e-mail. or listen at the last meeting?
[21:05] <dutchie> know who's meant to be running it?
[21:05]  * thymox raises his hand.  "I'm here, Sir". :)
[21:05] <dutchie> i get a lot of email and it doesn't all stick :)
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> I sent out the meeting invite as agreed last time.
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> and with godbyk
[21:07] <dutchie> hmm
[21:07] <dutchie> example wiki page
[21:07] <dutchie> i may have forgotten about that
[21:08] <ChrisWoollard> I knew that already.
[21:08]  * dutchie quickly knocks one together
[21:09] <thymox> So... I'm fairly new to this.  What's the meeting about?
[21:09] <thymox> (New to the Ubuntu Manual project, that is... not new to Linux)
[21:10] <ChrisWoollard> The agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[21:10] <ChrisWoollard> I guess we are waiting to see if any more of the core team arrive
[21:11] <ChrisWoollard> We also have this http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL
[21:11] <thymox> Cool.  Since I haven't been involved yet, I will just take a back-seat and observe for the time being.
[21:13] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: What should we do?
[21:14] <dutchie> godbyk: ping
[21:14]  * dutchie tweets at humphreybc
[21:14] <dutchie> and j
[21:14] <dutchie> enkins
[21:15] <dutchie> i was expecting tab-complete there :(
[21:15] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[21:15] <dutchie> flan may want to join us too
[21:16] <dutchie> daker too
[21:16] <daker> yep
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> While we are waiting do you want to read the notes. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[21:18] <chr_> thanks : )
[21:19] <ChrisWoollard> You can also make coments if you want
[21:26] <ChrisWoollard> Ok, it is now 20:25. What should we do?
[21:28] <daker> i have no idea ChrisWoollard
[21:28] <thymox> What proportion of the required people are currently in attendance?
[21:29] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins, godbyk and humphreybc  would have been nice as they are core to the project.
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> Especially as they drive the project forware.
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> d
[21:32] <ChrisWoollard> Would anybody object if we defered this meeting until another date / time?
[21:32] <thymox> I think that's probably the best option given the circumstances.
[21:32] <chr_> as im a little busy today, its ok for me
[21:33] <ChrisWoollard> Thanks for coming. If you still want to make notes the etherpad is here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL
[21:33] <ChrisWoollard> Also it gives dutchie time to complete his homework :P
[21:34] <dutchie> i've done it now!
[21:34] <dutchie> :P
[21:34] <ChrisWoollard> what is the url?
[21:34] <daker> ChrisWoollard, it's oki for me
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. Then...... Meeting Cancelled........!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:35] <chr_> bye
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> or rather deffered to another date
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> thanks for coming.
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> Sorry
[21:36] <thymox> Deferred for what... 1 week? 2?
[21:36] <thymox> Or TBA?
[21:36] <ChrisWoollard> I will dicuss it with the others  and TBA
[21:36] <thymox> Cool beans.  I'll keep an eye on the mailing list then. :)
[21:37] <ChrisWoollard> That is the best thing.
[21:37] <ChrisWoollard> I think the meeting should be planned sooner rather than later because of the limited time before the release of maverick
[21:42] <godbyk> Ack.. sorry I'm late.
[21:42] <godbyk> My phone didn't beep at me like it should've.
[21:43] <ChrisWoollard> we cancelled the meeting
[21:43] <thymox> Hiya, ChrisWollard has postponed the meeting.
[21:43] <godbyk> I see that.
[21:43] <godbyk> Sorry about not being here.
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> I figured that 30 minutes late was long enough to wait.
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> Now that you are her.
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> s/her/here
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> When should we re-schedule?
[21:45] <godbyk> yeah, that's more than enough time to wait.
[21:47] <ChrisWoollard> When should we re-schedule?
[21:48] <dutchie> pick a date
[21:48] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: What is that url?
[21:49] <godbyk> The meeting times that have worked the best in the past have been Saturdays at 2000 UTC.
[21:49] <dutchie> ChrisWoollard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/ReleaseChecklist?
[21:49] <godbyk> And we should probably meet ASAP as we have a September 10 deadline for the writing freeze.
[21:50] <godbyk> Which gives us less than three weeks from today.
[21:50] <godbyk> (Which seems a bit crazy, actually.)
[21:50] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: thanks
[21:51] <ChrisWoollard> we could try saturday at 20:00
[21:51] <godbyk> Let's do that.
[21:51] <ChrisWoollard> But....
[21:51]  * dutchie will be on holiday
[21:51] <godbyk> Unless we can get one organized more quickly.
[21:52] <godbyk> Or perhaps we should just start an email thread and meet on the mailing list, so to speak.
[21:52] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk: You need to get the launchpad / bzr stuff sorted before then and ready for work to start asap
[21:52] <ChrisWoollard> I could be a good idea.
[21:53] <ChrisWoollard> I was think of sending some updates out that way anyway (e.g. Dutchies homework).
[21:53] <ChrisWoollard> so to speak :)
[21:53] <godbyk> Let's do that.
[21:53] <godbyk> Figure out what questions we have / what we need to know, and start emailing the list about it.
[21:53] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk: Can you start the thread?
[21:54] <godbyk> I think one of the first things we have to do is figure out what changes there are in Maverick from Lucid that we need to update the manual to cover.
[21:54] <godbyk> Is there new stuff in Maverick we need to cover?
[21:54] <godbyk> What parts (if any) of the manual are we removing?
[21:54] <ChrisWoollard> I think it was on the last set of minutes
[21:54] <dutchie> sound menu is the first thing i can think of
[21:54] <godbyk> What screenshots do we need to get?
[21:54] <ChrisWoollard> that mentions some thibngs
[21:55] <ChrisWoollard> Depends what haws changed. I haven't even installed the alpha of maverick yet. so i don't know.
[21:55] <ChrisWoollard> s/haws/has
[21:56] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk: When do you think you can get bzr / launchpad ready?
[21:56] <godbyk> Working on it now.
[21:56] <ChrisWoollard> Yay :D
[21:59] <Muscovy> How many hours is it until the meeting?
[21:59] <Muscovy> I'm not sure if I can make it.
[21:59] <ChrisWoollard> It was cancelled
[21:59] <Muscovy> Oh?
[21:59] <ChrisWoollard> it was supposed to have been 1 hour ago
[22:00] <Muscovy> Ah.
[22:00] <ChrisWoollard> We are going to do a thread on the mailing list instead. Just because we need to get things moving
[22:03] <thymox> Can I make a suggestions?  If the meeting is going to be migrated to the mailing list, can I suggest a single thread per discussion point.
[22:13] <godbyk> Someone try running bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual and see what it pulls.
[22:13] <godbyk> run "grep title main.tex" and see if the \title command is set to Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.10.
[22:13] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings/archive/meeting-2010-08-22#preview
[22:14] <ChrisWoollard> Coments?
[22:14] <godbyk> That'll work.
[22:14] <godbyk> We should figure out what we need to know for this maverick edition.
[22:14] <godbyk> So we can email the list.
[22:14] <dutchie> looks like lp:ubuntu-manual points at maverick
[22:14] <thymox> godbyk: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual pulls down 19MB of files.
[22:15] <godbyk> thymox: That sounds about right. Screenshots are 11 MB. (I debated whether to keep them, actually.)
[22:15] <godbyk> Much better than the 140+ MB that the other branch was.
[22:15] <ChrisWoollard> Did you delete everything and start again?
[22:15] <godbyk> Well, I created a brand new branch and copied over the files from e2.
[22:16] <godbyk> So we're not dragging all of e2's history along with us.
[22:16] <ChrisWoollard> That is good.
[22:18] <thymox> Even 140MB isn't that bad... last time I looked at the Ubuntu Desktop Training BZR repo is was somewhere near the 650MB mark (grantedly it has a tonne of screenshots in a tonne of languages).
[22:19]  * dutchie tries to remember how big his kernel git repo was
[22:19] <ChrisWoollard> In our case the history was 114Mb compared to 14mb of files
[22:22] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: I have updated the meetings wiki with info. Are there any other status updates
[22:24] <godbyk> Hmm.. well, I think the new branch should be working now and people can hack on it.  however, the main pdf may not compile at the moment since I removed some PDFs of the title page, etc.
[22:24] <godbyk> just a heads up there.
[22:25] <godbyk> I'm currently updating the milestones on launchpad.
[22:25] <ChrisWoollard> How is doing the coverpages (dakar)?
[22:25] <ChrisWoollard> is e2 read only now?
[22:26] <godbyk> thorwil handles the covers.
[22:27] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: No one should commit to e2 except for thorwil (for covers), me (for helping translators), and the translator editors.
[22:27] <godbyk> (Basically)
[22:27] <ChrisWoollard> is he doing some for maverick?
[22:28] <godbyk> Is thorwil doing some covers for maverick? Probably.
[22:28] <godbyk> I'm going to be revisiting some of the book design stuff for maverick as well.
[22:28] <ChrisWoollard> What I mean is..... Have the permissions been changed to only allow Ubuntu Manual Admins to commit.
[22:28] <godbyk> oh, no.
[22:29] <godbyk> because the translation editors aren't admins.
[22:29] <ChrisWoollard> Oh, Ok.
[22:29] <godbyk> though I s'pose we could have the translation editors commit via one of the admins. <shrug>
[22:29] <godbyk> We need to write instructions for people to get the new maverick branch and get started on writing/editing.
[22:29] <godbyk> Also need to make a list of things that need to be written, changed, removed, etc.
[22:31] <ChrisWoollard> How about I start a wiki (or etherpad) for that list
[22:31] <godbyk> good idea
[22:32] <ChrisWoollard> Where should it be linked from?
[22:32] <godbyk> Good question.
[22:32] <godbyk> I guess the email for now.
[22:32] <ChrisWoollard> I wonder if I could add a Useful Info page
[22:33] <ChrisWoollard> next to Meetings on the Wiki
[22:33] <ChrisWoollard> or something like that
[22:33] <ChrisWoollard> ?
[22:34] <godbyk> I dunno. Go for it. :-)
[22:34] <godbyk> Ultimately, all the info should be on the ubuntu-manual.org site.
[22:35] <ChrisWoollard> Yes. But there isn't a wiki on that. And I don't have access to hack around with that.
[22:35] <godbyk> I know.
[22:35] <godbyk> That's the main problem.
[22:35] <godbyk> I think daker's new site is supposed to alleviate some of that.
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> You could just install a wiki on it?
[22:36] <godbyk> I dunno what the plans are there.
[22:36] <godbyk> Yeah, I could install a wiki.
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> When will Dakar's new site
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> ready
[22:36] <godbyk> no clue
[22:36] <godbyk> I think it's supposed to be out for maverick, but I'm out of the loop on that at the moment.
[22:37] <ChrisWoollard> That's suprising. You seem t know most about most things
[22:38] <ChrisWoollard> If you installed a wiki at least the theme would be better.
[22:39] <godbyk> I haven't talked to daker of humpreybc about the new site yet.  So I'm not sure what all they have up their sleeves.
[22:39] <godbyk> Heh.. true.. can't have a much uglier theme. :-)
[22:39] <godbyk> Shouldn't someone be updating the wiki theme to match the new branding?
[22:40] <ChrisWoollard> Dakar told me yesterday that somebody is working on it.
[22:40] <godbyk> cool
[22:41] <ChrisWoollard> I am going to at that Useful Info wiki page. It can either be changed later or deleted if something else comes along.
[22:42] <ChrisWoollard> But first i need t go to the shop. I will be back in 30 minutes.
[22:42] <godbyk> sounds good.
[22:42] <ChrisWoollard> Maybe Useful Notes?
[22:42] <godbyk> I'm going to shower. I'll be back in 30 minutes, too. :)
[22:42] <godbyk> That'll work.
[22:43] <godbyk> Or if it's something we'll update often, maybe an etherpad is better.
[22:43] <ChrisWoollard> too late
[22:45] <godbyk> no worries
[22:51] <godbyk> I'll be back in about 30 minutes.
[23:05] <dutchie> blimey, translations disappearing again
[23:13] <ChrisWoollard> which ones?
[23:15] <dutchie> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02170.html
[23:19] <ChrisWoollard> Doh
[23:28] <godbyk> I saw that.
[23:28] <godbyk> Make it all better, dutchie! :-)
[23:28] <godbyk> I have no idea what causes it.
[23:28] <godbyk> AFAIK, nothing has touched the e1 translation stuff at all.
[23:29] <ChrisWoollard> mice in the works.
[23:29] <ChrisWoollard> My advice... Get a Cat.
[23:29] <godbyk> The only thing I can figure is that messing with the other branches somehow affects the e1 branch.
[23:29] <ChrisWoollard> Sorry.... That doesn't help ;)
[23:51] <ChrisWoollard> All: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/notes
[23:51] <ChrisWoollard> thoughts?
[23:51] <ChrisWoollard> Are there any other links that we have?
[23:52] <ChrisWoollard> I am sure there are lots, but i cannot remember
[23:55] <ChrisWoollard> Can somebody who knows look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LocalSiteMap
[23:55] <ChrisWoollard> and tell me what is still useful and should be linked.
[23:57] <ChrisWoollard> hmmm. That doesn't seem to contain everything
[23:58] <godbyk> doesn't look like there's much of use in the site map
[23:58] <ChrisWoollard> what about this
[23:58] <ChrisWoollard> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LikePages
[23:59] <ChrisWoollard> that contains everything
[23:59] <ChrisWoollard> FuturePlaaning looks fun


[08:40] <scoopex> if i build the snap package using "snapcraft" and install the package over the existing previous downloaded package using "snap install --dangerous *.snap" i do not get my modifications. i am pretty new in snap packaging, probably i am doing something wrong...any hints?
[09:17] <ogra_> scoopex, try #snappy (though be patient, on weekends not many people are around)
[09:18] <ogra_> (there is also a forum (linked in the channel topic of #snappy) ... which is perhaps the better choice around this time)
[09:20] <scoopex> ogra_: thanks


[04:12] <jsgotangco> hola
[04:12] <Burgundavia> salut
[04:13] <jsgotangco> oh i see Liz became list owner as well
[04:13] <jsgotangco> i havent seen her for quite some time though
[04:16] <jsgotangco> these aussies sure make weird passwords
[04:16] <Burgundavia> heh
[04:16] <Burgundavia> you should see the -ca one
[04:17] <jsgotangco> how active is the list?
[04:18] <Burgundavia> not bad
[04:18] <Burgundavia> a couple a week
[04:19] <jsgotangco> what's the score on your svn account?
[04:21] <Burgundavia> score?
[04:21] <Burgundavia> no idea, I haven't had access to it since I reinstalled
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i mean what's the status of your request to elmo
[04:21] <Burgundavia> oh, I haven't bothered following up right
[04:21] <Burgundavia> now
[04:22] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:22] <jsgotangco> do you mind if i upload your svg brochure to svn?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:25] <Burgundavia> go nuts
[05:22] <jsgotangco> robitaille, hello
[05:23] <robitaille> good evening jsgotangco
[05:28] <robitaille> I was checking my old bugs tonight, and noticed this one:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7195
[05:28] <robitaille> why it is seems it isn't easy to solve since it has been opened for so long.   I always tought it was simply a typo somewhere in one of the package.
[05:29] <robitaille> maybe I should take a deeper long one of these days...
[05:29] <robitaille> s/long/look
[05:33] <robitaille> ...I'm re-reading what I just typed (full of typos)... It seems I'm having a bad typing day :)
[05:33] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:33] <jsgotangco> let me check this in full
[05:34] <jsgotangco> i think this is scrollkeeper
[05:34] <jsgotangco> well most likely packaged stuff from upstream that scrollkeeper just catalogs
[05:41] <robitaille> since the bug is assigned to him, is Enrico around these days?  I can't remember seeing him on IRC or on the mailing list in  a while
[05:42] <jsgotangco> he's been busy with his job but he drops here usually at dawn in your time
[05:43] <jsgotangco> i could bug enrico about it when he drops by though
[06:35] <jsgotangco> wow this is the first time i did ubuntu as an apache server
[06:35] <jsgotangco> that apache2.conf is genius
[07:00] <jsgotangco> just need to figure out moin now
[07:43] <jsgotangco> hi Liz
[07:44] <Liz> hi jsgotangco
[07:44] <venda> African Greetings
[07:45] <Liz> kia ora sean
[07:45] <jsgotangco> eh?
[07:45] <froud> African Greetings
[07:46] <Liz> kia ora froud
[07:46] <froud> hi ya Liz where you been
[07:46] <froud> jsgotangco: howzit
[07:46] <jsgotangco> hey froud been busy :)
[07:47] <venda> yep very busy
[07:47] <venda> did you manage to speak to the author of kubuntuguide?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> nope not yet
[07:47] <jsgotangco> i should do
[07:47] <Liz> busy with the final week of uni..just in study right now before exams
[07:48] <venda> OK, I see you started the screen captures
[07:48] <venda> Liz you and mdke make a good pair, both of you are studying
[07:48] <jsgotangco> venda, they're just basic caps not sure if they pass QA
[07:49] <venda> chaps I am trolling for commitment to 5.10 devel on the docs. Liz, jsgotangco how will your schedules be between now and sept 8th
[07:49] <jsgotangco> venda, unpredictable but i'll live
[07:50] <venda> if you check the log I gave a list last night, are you OK with these targets
[07:50] <jsgotangco> hmm where is that?
[07:50] <jsgotangco> let me check the log
[07:50] <Liz> after next week, when i sit my final exam for this semester..it should be good till class starts again
[07:51] <venda> when does class start again
[07:54] <jsgotangco> you got any good link for log workaround logs seem dead
[07:54] <venda> yeah so I see
[07:54] <venda> OK here goes
[07:54] <venda> update Ubuntu Quick Guide
[07:54] <venda> release Kubuntu Kwick Guide
[07:54] <venda> release Ubuntu User Guide
[07:54] <venda> release Kubuntu User Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Ubuntu FAQ Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Kubuntu FAQ Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Ubuntu Install Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Kubuntu Install Guide
[07:55] <venda> Release Notes
[07:55] <venda> those are the targets
[07:56] <venda> mdke is on Ubuntu User Guide
[07:56] <venda> jeff-away: says in July August he can do some work and editing
[07:57] <venda> I am doing touches on Ubuntu FAQ Guide
[07:57] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu Quick Guide will be done before June ends
[07:57] <jsgotangco> its mostly caps now
[07:57] <venda> working to finish k/Ubuntu Install Guide
[07:57] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu User Guide is still empty though
[07:57] <venda> Then I am moving to K/Ubuntu User Guides
[07:58] <jsgotangco> after i do the quick guide i might do the developer docs (if there is still time)
[07:58] <venda> developer docs?
[07:58] <jsgotangco> yeah have to troll tseng about it though
[07:59] <venda> Hmmm, not part of our targets
[07:59] <jsgotangco> don't worry about it
[07:59] <venda> will you have time to work on the other targets
[07:59] <jsgotangco> ill look into the other docs later what needs to be done
[07:59] <venda> Liz: how does the above look for you?
[07:59] <venda> Heaps of stuff
[08:00] <jsgotangco> kubuntu quick guide is almost done anyway, probably 70%
[08:00] <venda> Burgundavia: can you commit to one of the above docs
[08:00] <jsgotangco> and it will just wait for changes
[08:00] <Liz> definitely a heap of stuff...
[08:00] <jsgotangco> (of course not including QA)
[08:00] <Liz> im not using Kubuntu tho..so i dont know whats what there
[08:00] <Liz> i dont use kde that is
[08:00] <venda> jsgotangco: yes, for 5.10 it will just be a case of upgrading kwickguide to breezy
[08:01] <venda> Liz that's Ok
[08:01] <venda> I think jsgotangco and I can handle kde
[08:01] <jsgotangco> yeah Kubuntu is not so complicated
[08:02] <jsgotangco> oh right
[08:02] <jsgotangco> i hvae a question though on kde
[08:02] <venda> sure
[08:02] <jsgotangco> what's the most decent docbook viewer for that
[08:02] <jsgotangco> (gnome has yelp)
[08:02] <jsgotangco> (kde = ?)
[08:02] <venda> there is not. Khelp center does not read XML
[08:02] <jsgotangco> gyahhh
[08:02] <venda> but this is not a problem
[08:02] <jsgotangco> that's what i figured
[08:02] <jsgotangco> :(
[08:02] <jsgotangco> eh?
[08:03] <jsgotangco> i dont want to transform
[08:03] <venda> since we will be transforming to HTML
[08:03] <venda> we hope that docteam.ubuntu.com will do a nightly build
[08:03] <jsgotangco> i know we're transforming but i don't want to transform everytime to view the doc
[08:03] <jsgotangco> thats why yelp is still very accessible
[08:03] <venda> this would be good since then people outside will have visability into the work in svn
[08:04] <venda> so just install yelp
[08:04] <jsgotangco> i was hoping to avoid to install yelp
[08:04] <venda> but I can say that most of the k/ubuntu docs will not support yelp very soon
[08:05] <venda> best thing is to transform
[08:05] <jsgotangco> you transform only when done
[08:05] <venda> I plan shipping html-based help system with 5.10
[08:06] <venda> yelp and khelpcenter both read html
[08:06] <venda> the xml will be shipped as src package
[08:07] <venda> the html-based system will be built on docteam.ubuntu.com, on 5.10 release it will be moved to help.ubuntu.com
[08:07] <venda> 5.10 will also include glossary sections
[08:07] <jsgotangco> you lost me
[08:07] <venda> and I hope to have time for olinks
[08:07] <venda> inter-document cross-references
[08:08] <venda> thats ok I am filling you in now :-)
[08:08] <venda> Liz: which of the above can you commit on?
[08:08] <venda> Burgundavia: are you in on any of these documents?
[08:09] <venda> so many wiki things will be ported to docbook in th eincoming folder
[08:09] <venda> jsgotangco: did you get the posters
[08:09] <venda> in artwork/
[08:10] <venda> very simple
[08:10] <venda> but clear and they work
[08:10] <jsgotangco> its ok
[08:10] <jsgotangco> im uploading more soon
[08:10] <venda> that's good, in inkscape format?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:10] <venda> svg :-)
[08:10] <venda> love it
[08:10] <jsgotangco> moin has been keeping me busy lately though
[08:10] <Liz> whats the most pressing venda ?
[08:11] <venda> everything:-)
[08:12] <venda> we can't update ubuntu quick guide until we know what breezy looks like
[08:12] <venda> I think that is where the least work is
[08:12] <venda> Ubuntu User Guide would be a goo dplace to focus
[08:12] <venda> just liase with mdke on what sections he is doing
[08:13] <venda> Fixes and improvements on Ubuntu FAQ Guide are welcome
[08:13] <jsgotangco> fine and dandy but he should still do it in svn
[08:14] <venda> jsgotangco: huh?
[08:14] <venda> it is all in svn
[08:14] <venda> you mean jiyuu0
[08:14] <Liz> i dont even have them all updated at the moment
[08:14] <Liz> this is the first time ive been in in a while
[08:14] <venda> just svn up
[08:15] <venda> make pwd the trunk and do svn up
[08:15] <venda> jsgotangco: jiyuu0 says he will work in svn form here in
[08:15] <venda> jsgotangco: we can't force him to do this, if he does not, then we will just fork from him and do our own thing
[08:16] <venda> jsgotangco: that's his choice
[08:16] <venda> same with the kubuntu user guide
[08:16] <venda> we encourage them both to work with us in svn, but we can't force it
[08:17] <jsgotangco> understandable
[08:17] <venda> ok I must get dressed and start working. c ya all later :-)
[08:17] <jsgotangco> you mean you've been chatting naked
[08:17] <venda> Liz: nice seeing ya ggain stranger
[08:17] <venda> yep
[08:17] <jsgotangco> urrkk
[08:17] <venda> :-) in th eb'day suite
[08:17] <Liz> see ya venda
[10:08] <Liz> bbtomorrow
[06:41] <tarvid> is there a searchable hardware database?
[07:10] <venda> evening
[10:00] (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) looking for a list of recommended modems and compatible printers
[10:00] (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) i haven't found a searchable hardware database
[10:01] <tarvid> i am lucky enough to have T1s and broadband but many of my customers are not
[10:01] <venda> Hmm, I don't think the Ubuntu Hardware database is searchable yet.
[10:01] <tarvid> I'd like to be able to tell them "Buy this modem" and it just works.
[10:01] <venda> Just a sec
[10:02] <mdke> you can ask ogra about the hardware database, you'll find him in #ubuntu-devel
[10:03] <mdke> otherwise the only thing I can think of is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport but I have no idea how extensive it is
[10:03] <mdke> tarvid ^^
[10:04] <venda> tarvid: there is some basic stats on http://hwdb.ubuntu.com
[10:07] <tarvid> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com is rather sparse
[10:07] <tarvid> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport has no modems
[10:09] <mdke> better ask ogra then
[10:11] <venda> Hmm, yes, the hwdb is new and it is just being built.
[10:12] <venda> mdke: OK the faq is now updated to ubuntuguide 3.04 and is well-formed and valid to the best of my knowledge. People can start fixing and adding to it :-)
[10:13] <venda> I don't think Chau is going to play game and do updated in svn as he said
[10:13] <venda> so I think it best we do what it is we want to do and just fork from him
[10:14] <venda> do you think we need to track ubuntuguide.org, I really did not want this overhead.
[10:14] <mdke> venda, well if you think about it it was reasonable for him to do updates on the site
[10:15] <mdke> svn wasn't well formed until now
[10:15] <mdke> and he hasn't yet seen that he can do updates in svn and get them quickly onto the site
[10:15] <venda> No from v3 align it was valid and well-formed. The doc was open for edit I was just fixing markup
[10:15] <mdke> so if he wants to make urgent changes, (like removing the add on cd for legal reasons), he thought it was necessary to do it straight onto the site
[10:16] <mdke> you'll have to show him how to edit it in svn and convert to html so he can export it to the site
[10:16] <mdke> even then, you might be right, he might not play ball anyway
[10:16] <venda> yeah, I was hoping he would do it in svn and tranform then upload to the site
[10:16] <venda> or we could show him how to transform and upload to the site
[10:17] <mdke> he'll need a commit account before he will stop working on the site too
[10:17] <venda> I have already made a number of fixes he could have benfitted from
[10:17] <venda> I asked him to send mail to elmo
[10:17] <venda> and enrico has said good
[10:18] <venda> they did not get email from him
[10:18] <venda> we also offered to patch for him
[10:18] <venda> this is why I think he does not want to play ball
[10:18] <venda> anyway, it is up to us now
[10:18] <mdke> you'll have to explain more patiently how it works
[10:18] <mdke> in terms of svn/commit access etc
[10:18] <venda> so please feel free to make updates as you see fit
[10:19] <mdke> but even so, you might be right
[10:19] <venda> we gave him step by step
[10:19] <venda> documented on the wiki :-)
[10:19] <mdke> for getting commit access?
[10:19] <mdke> saying "send a mail to elmo" might not be enough
[10:20] <venda> no how to checkout update create patches etc
[10:20] <mdke> we have to explain why, and how it works
[10:20] <venda> dude, you think he still does not copmprehend
[10:20] <mdke> a bit of both imo
[10:20] <venda> I think he just plays stupid
[10:20] <venda> it suits him to do so
[10:21] <venda> I know that sounds brutal
[10:21] <venda> new subject
[10:21] <mdke> k
[10:21] <venda> I really like mvirkkil's script
[10:21] <mdke> ok cool
[10:22] <venda> it won't go all the way, but at least we only need to concern ourselves with 10-20% overhead in porting
[10:22] <mdke> thats top
[10:22] <mdke> ok we can scrap the template idea then
[10:23] <venda> yes, but they will be useful to people who just want to start a doc in svn
[10:23] <venda> perhaps we should leave then there until we know if they will be used or not
[10:24] <mdke> good point
[10:26] <venda> Hmm right no more work for tonight
[10:27] <mdke> good man
[10:27] <mdke> you goddam spammer
[10:27] <venda> :-)
[10:27] <venda> somebody has to do it
[10:27] <mdke> wait longer between commits?
[10:27] <venda> thing is I like to work small, commit often
[10:27] <venda> safer
[10:28] <venda> good devel proactice
[10:28] <venda> easy to fix patches
[10:28] <venda> just retrieve it and fix it and commit it
[10:29] <mdke> fair enough
[10:29] <venda> but makes heavy traffic :-(
[10:29] <venda> on the upside it makes us all look busy :-)
[10:29] <mdke> true true
[10:30] <mdke> he's disappeared lately
[10:32] <venda> yeah he has become illusive after udu
[10:32] <venda> probably pissed ast me
[10:32] <mdke> nah he's mega busy in the last few days
[10:32] <mdke> probably travelling
[10:33] <mdke> i've been chasing him too
[10:35] <mdke> btw did you see LaptopTestingTeam?
[10:35] <venda> no whats happening there?
[10:35] <mdke> check it out
[10:41] <venda> hmm big list of people
[10:45] <mdke> true
[10:45] <mdke> not everyone will get one i guess
[10:46] <mdke> there was an enormous influx of wiki Userpages today
[10:46] <mdke> ;)
[10:46] <venda> enrico: how's your schedule going to be during 5.10 development?
[10:47] <mdke> Be BaCk LaTeR
[10:47] <mdke> my national football team needs my support
[10:54] <enrico> venda: busy, I guess.  Full time job goes until the end of 2005
[11:01] <venda> ok
[11:01] <venda> mdke: how's you r legal know on GFDL and CC-BY-SA 2.0
[11:03] <mdke> zilch
[11:03] <mdke> but i can look it up
[11:03] <venda> OK, example
[11:03] <venda> our docs are released under dual license
[11:04] <mdke> i wonder whether licenses which people dont' pay for are enforceable or not
[11:04] <venda> what happens if we get a doc under one or the other license and want to include it in whole or in part into a doc that is under the dual regime
[11:04] <mdke> surely its up to you what license you grant
[11:05] <mdke> ask whoever holds the copyright
[11:05] <mdke> and if they say yes, then go for it
[11:05] <venda> no the external author spec the license
[11:05] <venda> lets say GFDL
[11:05] <venda> we can reuse this doc
[11:05] <mdke> i don't know how it works
[11:05] <venda> the license says so
[11:06] <mdke> licenses are only valid if you can enforce them in court
[11:06] <venda> but we have dual license
[11:06] <mdke> i'm not 100% sure that a license given for free would be enforceable, at least under my legal system
[11:06] <mdke> i'd have to look it up
[11:06] <venda> fsf is good at enforcing and is cc
[11:06] <venda> ok
[11:07] <mdke> i'll have a look at the fsf stuff and see if I can understand how it works
[11:47] <venda> night