[00:00] <Arenlor> Davy_Jones you only have about 18 months left to say that, then it won't be supported anymore
[00:00] <frostburn> i wonder how many seeds there are going to be for it
[00:00] <minus> Dr_willis, maybe that pakage is missing on that server :/
[00:00] <Davy_Jones> Arenlor: screw the support, 7.04 ftw
[00:01] <tsb> I just upgrade everything and kopete sigterms constantly
[00:01] <tsb> anyone else getting this?
[00:01] <Arenlor> Davy_Jones what do you have against Gutsy?
[00:01] <minus> Dr_willis, Changed to "no" and its working flawlessly :P
[00:01] <minus> Thank you Dr_willis
[00:01] <Dr_willis> archive.ubuntu.com - is a 'random' server isent it? i forget how it works.
[00:01] <Davy_Jones> Arenlor: nothing, just the fear of every new release of something
[00:02] <Davy_Jones> Arenlor: like the new release of vista
[00:02] <minus> Dr_willis, well.. I added "no" and it works.. so I don't think it is random..
[00:02] <Dr_willis> Everyone is waiting for the Service Pack 1 for Gutsy! :) then it will be Much better....
[00:02] <kolby> Vista....  *cringes*
[00:02] <kolby> its too slow for me
[00:02] <DanaG> Oh, I set up Jinzora, but it stupidly lacks a tree view.
[00:02] <Arenlor> Davy_Jones, that's like comparing the new China to the Old Russia, Communist countries (M$) just don't work
[00:02] <DanaG> As slick as it is, gnump3d is better for that purpose.
[00:02] <ryans> is there anything prettier to use than xchat?
[00:03] <minus> kolby, Don't mention m$ in here.. it gives me the chills
[00:03] <DanaG> s/it/Jinzora/
[00:03] <kolby> minus:  lol...  Monky boy run sit
[00:03] <Davy_Jones> Arenlor: probably, but we'll see when 7.10 is out
[00:03] <kolby> *runs it
[00:03] <ryans> xchat is fugly
[00:03] <Arenlor> ryans try pidgin, it's a bit of a pain to get working but I like it
[00:03] <kolby> ryans: what do you use?
[00:04] <ryans> i'm in xchat right now
[00:04] <Arenlor> Davy_Jones 7.10 is out, just in Beta
[00:04] <Dr_willis> I often find myself going back to xchat 2.4  .... :)
[00:04] <Dr_willis> back when it had features!
[00:04] <ryans> i'm in xchat 2.8.4
[00:04] <Davy_Jones> Arenlor: i'm not gonna judge the beta of it
[00:04] <kolby> anyone run bitchx?
[00:04] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: what features is it lacking now?
[00:04] <minus> I used vista 1 hour.. then I was almost dead.. I've been in the hospital for a couple of months recovering...
[00:04] <ryans> why isn't there something cool like colloquy?
[00:05] <Arenlor> Davy_Jones it's pretty much Final right now, we're just waiting for it to be named Final
[00:05] <kolby> minus:  I tried the beta of Vista.  I could turn it on, sit down and read a book, and in 30 minutes it would crash.
[00:05] <Clinton__> Which is preferred for Kubuntu, Beryl or Compiz?
[00:05] <minus> kolby, ^^
[00:05] <ryans> colloquy for ubuntu would be damn nice
[00:05] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  go try the older.. and you notice that 1/2 the menu items/settings seem to have vanished.
[00:05] <kolby> Clinton__:  Compiz Fusion
[00:06] <Clinton__> kolby: k
[00:06] <Clinton__> !compiz
[00:06] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[00:06] <Davy_Jones> Clinton__: wtf? how can you compare Beryl and compiz to Kubuntu
[00:06] <minus> Clinton__, Compiz.. Beryl is discontinuoued
[00:06] <Dr_willis> right click on some one and use ignore.. dosent seem to have worked for me in.. ages.. :)
[00:06] <Arenlor> I got this laptop preinstalled with Vista, I loved how interactive it was, yes I want to open notepad, yes I want to open firefox, yes I want to shut it down, yes I want...
[00:06] <Dr_willis> Oh wait- its not even there any more. :)
[00:06] <Clinton__> Davy_Jones: I'm not comparing, relax.
[00:08] <bricas> i'm having trouble with my upgraded tomcat5.5 -- i try localhost:8080 (which is what i had set the port to on my old install) and it returns: HTTP/1.x 400 No Host matches server name localhost
[00:09] <Iceshadow> So what's next for #ubuntu+1 after tomorrow?
[00:09] <Arenlor> Hardy Heron
[00:09] <slackern> Comatosed Languster
[00:09] <Iceshadow> Arenlor: I'm assuming that's more than just a feature release this time?
[00:09] <ReL1K> anyone know how to get my start menu back when i switch from dual head to my LVDS screen? it gets moved over to the way left and can't see it.
[00:09] <Clinton__> minus: if Beryl is discontinued, why can I find compiz but not beryl with apt-cache search?
[00:09] <Arenlor> Iceshadow, it's the next LTS 8.04
[00:10] <Arenlor> Clinton__ are you in Gutsy?
[00:10] <Clinton__> Arenlor: yes
[00:10] <minus> Clinton__, cause they don't develop Beryl anymore.. Why have it in the aptget if it aint being developed?
[00:10] <minus> Clinton__, apt-get install compiz
[00:10] <minus> thats what you are supposed to do
[00:12] <ReL1K> anyone know how to get my start menu back when i switch from dual head to my LVDS screen? it gets moved over to the way left and can't see it :P
[00:12] <Arenlor> does anyone know how to work cron be able to tell me what to put in if every 5 minutes I want it to rm * /home/arenlor/.azureus/logs && rm -rf /home/arenlor/.azureus/logs/save
[00:13] <bardyr> Arafangion, */5 * * * * * cmd
[00:16] <minus> Why does my screen lock when I press the "quit" button!?
[00:17] <minus> Everything works, XChat is scrolling when ppl talk, but I cant do anything.. CAnt type, cant move windows, cant do nothing except w8 till it goes away..
[00:17] <Clinton__> alright, Compiz is installed, now what is the proper way to start it?
[00:17] <IrishDavid> hey, when can i download it?
[00:18] <IrishDavid> im assuming i have to wait until 5am (BST?)
[00:18] <minus> Clinton__, "System" -> "Preferences" -> "Appearance" -> "Visual Effect"
[00:18] <minus> BRB, log in to KDE
[00:19] <crimsun> no idea, I don't normally watch live tv
[00:19] <Clinton__> minus: I'm running KDE, not Gnome
[00:19] <crimsun> err, sorry
[00:19] <crimsun> IrishDavid: it will be available sometime tomorrow.
[00:19] <minus> Clinton__, sorry
[00:19] <minus> I can check as soon as I've loged in to KDE
[00:19] <Clinton__> minus, OK, ty
[00:19] <gumby600m_> /topic
[00:20] <IrishDavid> :S i was hoping to be able to jump the download queue and get it quick off a server while speeds are high before it slows with loads of ppl
[00:20] <crimsun> IrishDavid: so download the RC and upgrade :-)
[00:21] <crimsun> (yes, there are updated packages from the RC.)
[00:21] <IrishDavid> crimsun, i installed the RC and things just didnt go right compared to how fiesty had been working
[00:22] <mc44> IrishDavid: well depending on which bugs, the final release is unlikely to be too different
[00:22] <dsmith__> its 0919 AM, Thursday Oct 18th, in Australia. I want Gutsy! lol..
[00:22] <minus> Clinton__, Im gonna check now
[00:22] <Arenlor> IrishDavid most likely the current RC is going to be the Final, but what bugs did you have?
[00:22] <Clinton__> minus, alright
[00:23] <JanC> burn RC1 & upgrade is what I just did  :)
[00:23] <IrishDavid> mc44, it was mainly the lack of ability to apply a custom DSDT because i need one to make my sound work (although i did get a bios upgrade last night i just havent tried it in linux yet because i was waiting for the full release)
[00:24] <IrishDavid> well i cud apply one in the same manner as in feisty but it didnt fix the problem
[00:24] <minus> Clinton__, "compiz --replace"
[00:24] <Clinton__> minux, that's it?
[00:24] <crimsun> IrishDavid: make sure you have linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-generic installed.
[00:24] <minus> Clinton__, Yeah :)
[00:25] <Clinton__> ew, I have a gtk theme now
[00:25] <minus> Clinton__, Atleast if you have the latest drivers for your graphics..
[00:25] <IrishDavid> thanks crimsun ill give that a shot if i still cant get it to work tomorrow :) (if i cant get the new release ill just install rc again)
[00:25] <Clinton__> minus: yea, my nvidia is set up fine
[00:25] <minus> Clinton__, good :)
[00:25] <crimsun> IrishDavid: l-b-m contains a newer ALSA (1.0.15rc3)
[00:25] <IrishDavid> sounds good :)
[00:26] <Clinton__> minus: glxgears gives over 2000FPS
[00:26] <minus> Clinton__, glxgears gives me around 18000 ;)
[00:26] <minus> xD
[00:26] <minus> But glxgears is not a benchmark...
[00:26] <Clinton__> minus: nice
[00:26] <ReL1K> what do i need to remove to reset my gnome theme back to default?
[00:26] <Dr_willis> Cover up the GLXgears  window with another window and watchit go higher!
[00:27] <ReL1K> start menus missing
[00:27] <minus> Dr_willis, I know ;)
[00:28] <Capa1> I am having a really strange bug -- I am running 7.10 on the live disk and I notice that the title bars for every single window are HUGE -- like 1/8th my screen -- with enormous fonts
[00:29] <Clinton__> minus: any idea how to get compiz to respect a KDE theme?  It is using a gnome theme for the borders, mininmize, etc.
[00:29] <IrishDavid> would anyone know if i wud be ok install v3.3 of my system BIOS on top of v4.0?
[00:29] <Capa1> Did my last message about the bug get through?
[00:29] <Clinton__> Capa1: yes
[00:29] <Capa1> any ideas
[00:29] <Clinton__> none here
[00:29] <minus> Clinton__, my tip: install emerald to get even nicer borders..
[00:30] <minus> I hate that KDE is so big.. so much whitespace everywhere...
[00:30] <Capa1> this is strange, every title bar is 1/8th my screen size
[00:30] <Capa1> the maximize/resize/etc buttons are HUGE
[00:30] <Capa1> 2 inches square
[00:30] <hydrogen> those comments appear to be completely irreleant minus
[00:30] <hydrogen> err
[00:30] <hydrogen> irrelated
[00:30] <Capa1> but the actual ICONS of the maximize/close etc are normal size
[00:30] <minus> huh?
[00:31] <minus> what do you mean?
[00:31] <tatters> !google earth
[00:31] <Capa1> so I see a huge 2 inch square button with a tin maximize button in the middle
[00:31] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository
[00:31] <Clinton__> brb
[00:31] <minus> Why do I have to click the windowtitle to focus a windows in KDE?
[00:31] <Arenlor> !Medibuntu > Arenlor
[00:31] <tatters>  !Medibuntu
[00:31] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:31] <Clinton__> minus: no clue, bad setup?
[00:31] <minus> it should focus and rise on top if I click in the middle of it
[00:31] <dystopianray> minus: you shouldn't need to
[00:31] <minus> Clinton__, just installed it :/
[00:32] <feld> anyone here test ov51x-jpeg with the latest gutsy updates?
[00:32] <Clinton__> my taskbar is on autohide and now won't come back....
[00:32] <Clinton__> compiz is doign something funky
[00:32] <minus> Clinton__, :/
[00:32] <quick_nick> is anyone having extremely low volume problems with gusty?
[00:32] <Clinton__> aha, there it is
[00:33] <feld> quick_nick: does alsamixer show that your PCM is low?
[00:33] <sn0w> ever since i upgraded to gutsy, when i reboot my panel in gnome loads on the bottom of the window
[00:33] <feld> or center or front?
[00:33] <minus> my 24" monitor feels small in KDE :(
[00:33] <Clinton__> moved a window off the top and then moved the mouse up there brought it back
[00:33] <sn0w> only when i have the expand option turned off
[00:33] <Capa1> Question, from the live disk on Gutsy everything Compiz related works fine except: 1) There are no ways I see to CHANGE settings -- like enable/disable plugins, and #2 -- how do I enable expo? Where I can move the mouse to the top right and all windows tile?
[00:33] <Clinton__> minus: make fonts smaller, I do it
[00:33] <quick_nick> it has my vol all the  way up
[00:33] <feld> minus: make the taskbar smaller... and the icons smaller...
[00:33] <quick_nick> but i can barely hear anything
[00:33] <feld> quick_nick: what volume? PCM? Master? Center? Front?
[00:34] <quick_nick> feld master
[00:34] <minus> WTF?! CAnt I make the panelicons to size 16?!
[00:34] <minus> BLEH
[00:34] <feld> is your PCM low, quick_nick ?
[00:34] <quick_nick> i just checked no its all the way up too
[00:34] <dystopianray> what are the contents of the ubuntu dvd? I assume it has livecd + alternate install, but I don't understand why it is >4GB
[00:34] <Arenlor> minus apparently not
[00:35] <feld> quick_nick: take a look in alsamixer, not the gui volume controls and play with the mixers in there
[00:35] <Clinton__> brb
[00:35] <quick_nick> k ill give it a try
[00:36] <tatters> !vmware
[00:36] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[00:36] <mc44> dystopianray: it has lots of language packs, and some main packages
[00:36] <quick_nick> i have master set to infinity and pcm set to 100<>100 but still LOW audio
[00:37] <quick_nick> card is a hda intel realtec alc861
[00:37] <tatters> has vm player dissapeared from the repos ?
[00:37] <tatters> I am sure it was in there the other day :/
[00:38] <Arenlor> tatters it would look so
[00:39] <Arenlor> I think I found a quote for bash.org
[00:39] <Capa1> Whats that
[00:39] <quick_nick> feld: yeah its all the way up on the alsamixer too.  card is a hda intel realtec alc861 according to the mixer
[00:40] <Arenlor> my friend just told me she can't afford linux
[00:40] <hydrogen> thats understandable
[00:40] <silent> Arenlor, time is a resource
[00:40] <hydrogen> monetary price is only one factor of input
[00:40] <Arenlor> silent, I hope that is what she means
[00:41] <silent> Arenlor, either that or she's learned about redhat
[00:42] <Arenlor> silent, yuck, I hate them, my college even uses it and complains about having to pay for it instead of M$ and I'm just trying to not be belligerent to them about it.
[00:42] <feld> they could just use CentOS
[00:42] <feld> best of both worlds
[00:43] <Arenlor> I'm going to go in with a gutsy cd and just reinstall on all their computers most likely lol, nice "prank" and they get a free working system
[00:43] <feld> Arenlor: i dont think forcing it on them is exactly the smartest move
[00:43] <feld> perhaps persuade them with factual data and let them make an informed decision
[00:44] <Arenlor> true, but where's the fun in that?
[00:44] <dystopianray> they need support and someone to blame when things go wrong, i doubt they'd consider an entirely free solution that left them on their own
[00:44] <Adlai> so the new CD should be available at midnight, huh?
[00:45] <ryans> why are apps not available for linux like they are in osx?
[00:45] <dystopianray> Adlai: no
[00:45] <Arenlor> if they put on Ubuntu they could get Canonical support right?
[00:45] <Adlai> dystopianray: some random time during the day then?
[00:45] <aguitel> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl818x ?
[00:45] <dystopianray> so they'll go from complaining about paying for red hat, to complaining about paying for ubuntu
[00:45] <dystopianray> Adlai: that's right
[00:45] <Adlai> mmkay
[00:46] <dystopianray> Adlai: somewhere around the GMT timezone too
[00:46] <Arenlor> dystopianray all the tech service people use Ubuntu, so it's not like they would have to pay anyway
[00:48] <dystopianray> Adlai: but being so close to release you could download one of the daily livecd builds and it'd likely be exactly what gutsy final will be
[00:49] <Arenlor> or if you're already running feisty just upgrade
[00:50] <kevinO> is there a command like lspci for serial ports?
[00:54] <zetheroo> when can we expect Gutsy final release?
[00:55] <kevinO> zetheroo please read the topic
[00:55] <zetheroo> which topic?
[00:55] <hydrogen> kevinO: I'd think that you would want to use wireshark for that.
[00:55] <hydrogen> I think it can sniff serial traffic
[00:55] <moony> "Gutsy Gibbon is NOT out yet (and NO, we don't know when exactly it will be!), but if you want to party in advance, do it here"
[00:55] <zetheroo> haha
[00:55] <zetheroo> sure thing
[00:55] <hydrogen> no, thats the wrong topic
[00:55] <jmd1> zetheroo: the topic of the channel.
[00:55] <hydrogen> do it here is #ubuntu-release-party
[00:56] <kevinO> hydrogen thanks for the info
[00:56] <jmd1> "This channel is for support, "is it out yet" questions etc. in #ubuntu-release-party please."
[00:56] <zetheroo> ok
[00:56] <zetheroo> thanks
[00:56] <moony> sorry my answer wasn't complete ;)
[00:58] <HipotermiA> what time in free gusty gibson?
[00:59] <HipotermiA> what time is free gusty gibson?
[00:59] <compreak219> getting ready to ask the same question
[00:59] <compreak219> we talkin, midnight according to EST? or what
[00:59] <dystopianray> midday GMT most likely
[00:59] <hydrogen> it doesn't really matter
[01:00] <hydrogen> If you are running gutsy release canidates you will not notice a difference
[01:00] <HipotermiA> Time Chile is 20:59
[01:00] <Arenlor> it's based off of when the developers from western europe wake up, take a shower, eat, go through their work day, then upload it to the server, then contact the webadmins to change the site, or so I'd think
[01:00] <moony> here it's 02:00
[01:00] <compreak219> heh good point
[01:00] <Arenlor> though, they may be borgs and not need to eat
[01:01] <dystopianray> It is 0:00 GMT right now
[01:01] <hydrogen> theres not really much to upload..
[01:01] <dystopianray> i'd expect gutsy within 12 hours
[01:01] <hydrogen> in theory it should be the exact same as the latest daily
[01:01] <Arenlor> true
[01:01] <Arenlor> but they need to rebuild it and then upload it as Final
[01:02] <dystopianray> why would they need to rebuild it?
[01:03] <Arenlor> well in case they have to change anything about it
[01:04] <Arenlor> such as if it contains Beta in it anywhere as a tag or something
[01:04] <dystopianray> it is already well past the beta stage
[01:05] <Arenlor> true it's not in the RC stage
[01:05] <Arenlor> but still
[01:06] <ectospasm> in this gui tool that's replacing conf files, is there a way to merge files?
[01:06] <ectospasm> i.e. take some lines from the old and some from the new?
[01:06] <rohan> hi .. shoudln't gutsy have released by now ?
[01:06] <dystopianray> rohan: no
[01:06] <CapaH> Question, How do I upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy WITH the live disk?
[01:07] <rohan> CapaH: you cannot
[01:07] <Arenlor> they need to have a bot /msg everyone who joins telling them Gutsy is not out yet, and no it shouldn't be out
[01:07] <rohan> CapaH: you need the alternate disk, or live upgrade
[01:07] <hydrogen> Arenlor: why would they read that? They don't read the topic
[01:07] <CapaH> ah
[01:07] <rohan> Arenlor: it did say 1 days (sic) ago, about 24 hours ago
[01:08] <Arenlor> right now it says 01 days left for me people
[01:08] <Arenlor> so we still have a day left
[01:08] <dystopianray> it says 00 for me
[01:08] <rohan> yes, 00 for me too
[01:09] <Arenlor> in 4 hours it'll say 00 for me
[01:09] <rohan> Arenlor: it should say 00 everywhere, i think the image isn't dependent on system time
[01:09] <jdrake> Is there a way to reset everything 'gnome' without touching any other settings? My primary issue is admin menu missing things, and alacarte will not work to checkmark the missing.
[01:10] <Amaranth> jdrake: If you aren't in the admin group you can't get to most of the stuff in the admin menu
[01:10] <jdrake> Amaranth: hmm
[01:10] <crimsun> ah, the sweet smell of "Is it there yet?!"
[01:10] <Amaranth> jdrake: If you can't get access to it then it requires sudo access
[01:10] <Amaranth> Which is primarily controlled by the admin group
[01:11] <sainzeo> i have a nvidia graphics card, and upon installing ubuntu, i enabled the restricted driver for it, but upon restart, it said that my x server wasn't properly configured, any help?
[01:11] <jdrake> Amaranth: It appears that my account is a member of the admin group
[01:11] <mntnpngn> will gutsy come out faster if I repeat the question "Is it out yet?" every two minutes?
[01:11] <rohan> crimsun: i'm sure you're testing the final install iso's atm ? ;)
[01:11] <Amaranth> jdrake: Do you particularly care about any mime associations you made?
[01:11] <Amaranth> jdrake: Like 'open movies with vlc' or something
[01:11] <jdrake> Amaranth: I have not made any
[01:11] <crimsun> rohan: nope
[01:11] <rohan> mntnpngn: yes, and if the complete channel chants it, they might just throw out the iso's right now
[01:11] <marvinthepa>  hello, i have a problem upgrading to gutsy, update manager wants to download an insane 3GB of data
[01:12] <Amaranth> jdrake: I've got a quick way to reset your menu then. rm -rf ~/.config/menus/* ~/.local/share/applications/*
[01:12] <marvinthepa> my system is only 5G right now
[01:12] <Amaranth> jdrake: If that doesn't fix it then you probably aren't actually in the admin group
[01:12] <jdrake> Amaranth: ok, I guess I best log out to test
[01:13] <thomas__> jdrake: i would first check if you are int he adming roup
[01:13] <thomas__> bfore deleting dtuff
[01:13] <thomas__> stuff
[01:13] <thomas__> go to user manager
[01:13] <thomas__> and check
[01:13] <Arenlor> For anyone who wondered, the image saying 00 or 01 days left IS based on your computer's time, it uses javascript
[01:13] <sainzeo> i have a nvidia graphics card, and upon installing ubuntu, i enabled the restricted driver for it, but upon restart, it said that my x server wasn't properly configured, any help?
[01:13] <dorkface> !rsync
[01:13] <bricas> anyone experiencing thunderbird crashes when getting new mail?
[01:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:14] <ectospasm> bricas:  haven't gotten that far yet
[01:15] <ryans> how in heck do you play .mkv files in ubuntu?
[01:15] <ryans> .x264
[01:15] <feld> vlc?
[01:15] <feld> mplayer?
[01:16] <clouder> how do I make the deskbar have an entry field in the panel like it did before, and not have it open a whole new window?
[01:17] <clouder> well not like it did by default before, but how I had it before
[01:18] <RAOF_> clouder: You don't.  That's the new deskbar.  Later versions should have a panel-entry field, but this is a heavily reworked deskbar, which doesn't yet have that feature back.
[01:18] <clouder> ahh ok, but it should be coming back?
[01:18] <bricas> ah-ha. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/119836 # exact problem.
[01:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119836 in thunderbird "Latest version hungs after downloading new mail" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:19] <jdrake> It appears the whole problem was the admin group. I must have looked at the wrong account before.
[01:20] <sainzeo> i have a nvidia graphics card, and upon installing ubuntu, i enabled the restricted driver for it, but upon restart, it said that my x server wasn't properly configured, any help?
[01:20] <RAOF_> clouder: Yes, hopefully for Hardy.
[01:21] <jmdc> I recently updated and have compiz problems. Specifcally, all windows have no borders. I was not using compiz before the update, but I had installed and experimented with it. I think I may have borked the configuration long ago.
[01:22] <zach382> what time will it be out tommorow?
[01:22] <mc44> zach382: read the topic
[01:22] <Arenlor> zach382 read the topic, it says #ubuntu-release-party for that question
[01:22] <underwatercow> Has Gusty released yet? lol
[01:22] <underwatercow> :-p
[01:22] <jmdc> someone train a bot to say that, please
[01:23] <hydrogen> just reply "topic."
[01:23] <zach382> im not asking is it out... im asking if anyone knows the planned time of release
[01:23] <hydrogen> its faster than any bot command
[01:23] <underwatercow> the countdown says 0 days now
[01:23] <hydrogen> zach382: see the "etc" part of the topic?
[01:23] <jmdc> touche
[01:23] <mc44> !topic | jdmc
[01:23] <ubotu> jdmc: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[01:23] <mc44> ;)
[01:23] <zach382> hha okay
[01:23] <BluesKaj> tomorrow ... that's all we know
[01:23] <zach382> i get the point
[01:23] <jmdc> shazam
[01:23] <zach382> :) are the devs on a specific channel?
[01:23] <jmdc> I just got schooled...
[01:24] <crimsun> zach382: yes but generally very busy.
[01:24] <underwatercow> yes.. tomorrow, but tomorrow in what time zone
[01:24] <mc44> zach382: there are some in -release party
[01:24] <zach382> hmm they probably are very busy... well i guess ill just wait.
[01:24] <Arenlor> jmdc you had a question about compiz being FUBAR?
[01:24] <jmdc> Arenlor: yes
[01:25] <jmdc> I think I screwed it up a long time ago, but I don't really remember
[01:25] <Arenlor> jmdc first try uninstalling it and turning off any third party repos then apt-get update and reinstall it to see if it works
[01:26] <Arenlor> also do you have it turned on in System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects?
[01:27] <jmdc> Arenlor: I have no 3rd party stuff, and I did turn it on via the gui.
[01:27] <jmdc> I'm reinstalling now.
[01:27] <Arenlor> remember to restart X after the reinstall
[01:27] <Arenlor> also if you don't have it install compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:30] <IanLiu> When Gutsy is released, beta users will be updated?
[01:30] <jmdc> yes
[01:30] <IanLiu> And it will be released at midnight? =p
[01:30] <mc44> !final | IanLiu
[01:30] <ubotu> IanLiu: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[01:30] <mc44> IanLiu: read the topic
[01:31] <Arenlor> IanLiu if it was going to be released at midnight it won't know, they push it back an hour every time someone asks a question pertaining to when it'll be coming out
[01:32] <frank__> !virtualizer
[01:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualizer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:32] <IanLiu> Hmm
[01:32] <LjL> !virtualizers
[01:32] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[01:33] <underwatercow> The topic is confusing. The comma is misused. When read quickly, I see "This channel is for support, "is it out yet" questions etc."
[01:33] <underwatercow> ;-D
[01:34] <hydrogen> err
[01:34] <hydrogen> its not misused
[01:34] <mc44> well, that's typical headline grammar, so it is a little confusing
[01:34] <hydrogen> This channel is for support, questions about "is it out" in another channel
[01:34] <hydrogen> you are ignoring part of the topic
[01:35] <hydrogen> etc. is an abbreviation
[01:35] <RAOF_> Yay semicolon!
[01:35] <jmdc> Arenlor: window borders are still missing
[01:35] <hydrogen> the topic is incorrect though.
[01:35] <hydrogen> Gutsy doesn't have bugs
[01:35] <IanLiu> My sound card wasn't recognized... It says I don't have correct GStreamer plugin. What should I do?
[01:35] <mc44> hydrogen: hah
[01:35] <hydrogen> it should say "Gutsy has no more bugs, your job is done"
[01:35] <Arenlor> jmdc do you have emerald installed?
[01:35] <Pete_^> Heh
[01:36] <DMLou> Anyone here any good at wireless network config?
[01:36] <DMLou> or at least lucky with it? :)
[01:36] <jmdc> Arenlor: no.
[01:37] <Arenlor> jmdc when you log in, the session you log in with is it GNOME or XGL session or what?
[01:39] <jmdc> Arenlor: its gnome. I turn on the effects after I log in
[01:39] <Arenlor> XGL is automatically loaded on Gutsy, they shouldn't need to be turned on
[01:40] <nibsa1242b> I need help getting flash to work in firefox. I worked fine prior to the upgrade to Gusty. Now I don't see anything, not even a box telling me I need to install additional plugins.
[01:40] <mc44> Arenlor: no it's not
[01:40] <MrKeuner> hi, I am trying to remove virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-14-generic however it gives me an error, how can I remove it? the error is: E: virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-14-generic: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[01:40] <Arenlor> not xgl-xserver no but once you have the installed it automatically starts
[01:41] <mc44> Arenlor: right
[01:41] <Arenlor> nibsa1242b what flash thing do you use?
[01:41] <jmdc> I think I misunderstood.
[01:42] <IanLiu> what GStream package should I install to control volume? When I click on the volume icon on task bar it says I've got no module or device to control sound was found..
[01:42] <jmdc> When I log in, (I think) I'm looking at GDM
[01:42] <IanLiu> oops, eliminate the 'was found...' :)
[01:42] <nibsa1242b> Arenlor: I just need to be able to see flash on webpages if firefox, right now "flashplugin-nonfree" is installed.
[01:43] <Zaerath> Hello guys. Is there a way to edit the 3D effects used in Ubuntu 7.10?
[01:43] <Arenlor> nibsa1242b try uninstalling that and then go to a flash page and have it install it for you
[01:43] <nibsa1242b> Arenlor: ok I'll try that.
[01:44] <DMLou> Has anyone here had any luck getting Gutsy to work with an Atheros wireless chip-based ThinkPad?
[01:44] <jmdc> Zaerath: install the package compizconfig-manager
[01:44] <DMLou> specfiically the wireless part
[01:44] <Zaerath> Ty.
[01:45] <Zaerath> jmdc: compizconfig-settings-manager?
[01:45] <dystopianray> DMLou: try ndiswrapper
[01:46] <jmdc> Zaerath: oops, yes
[01:46] <IanLiu> Did someone had problems with sound??
[01:46] <DMLou> dystopianray: ok... I'll dig up info.  I guess it's more reliable than the regular drivers?
[01:46] <Zaerath> jmdc: No problem.
[01:46] <livingtm> Amaranth, Hey resetting the compiz settings seems to have cleared up my crash problem. Thanks for your help!
[01:46] <dystopianray> DMLou: the regular drivers are preferrable, but if they don't work you'll need ndiswrapper
[01:47] <DMLou> dystopianray: I'll give it a try... it worked once before, a long time ago, in feisty.  I guess some random kernel update or something broken them between now and then (it also stopped working in Feisty before I upgraded)
[01:48] <WorkingOnWise> what app should I use to burn a dvd-r?
[01:49] <nibsa1242b> Arenlor:
[01:49] <jmdc> WorkingOnWise: Places->CD/DVD creator
[01:49] <nibsa1242b> Arenlor: I went to a flash website after uninstalling it. It still didn't pop up a box saying I needed to install flash. Should I uninstall firefox?
[01:49] <WorkingOnWise> jmdc: that will only allow me to use a dvd+r disk.
[01:50] <Arenlor> nibsa1242b try reinstalling it yes
[01:50] <nibsa1242b> Arenlor: ok, thanks
[01:52] <jmdc> WorkingOnWise: you probably need to install a package to get support; tried googling?
[01:53] <databuddy> how much room does / need for portage ?
[01:54] <databuddy> wrong chan - belay my last :P
[01:54] <WorkingOnWise> jmdc: I did. not very helpfull as it seems most ppl don't differentiate between dvd- and+, but the aps do. I'm gonna try gnomebaker.
[01:55] <jmdc> WorkingOnWise: good luck. I'm still living in the dark ages without any kind of dvd burner. Sorry I can't help you more.
[01:56] <nibsa1242b> WorkingOnWise: I generally use k3b for all dvd +-r & +-rw writing. Are you sure your dvd burner supports -r?
[01:58] <jmdc> I had asked before, but does anyone have ideas why I get no window borders (or minimize, maximize, etc buttons) when I turn on compiz?
[01:59] <Arenlor> Amaranth you on?
[01:59] <littlebwoski> can i get a hand with multiple monitor conffig please?
[01:59] <WorkingOnWise> nibsa1242b: I just burned an iso onto a dvd-r. In Nautilus, it has no support for dvd-r.
[02:00] <littlebwoski> i got an ATI X300 using svideo as output to tv, trying connect it to TV. i need a hand
[02:00] <Lars_G> How far into tomorrow do you think the release will be. I wonder if I should get a RC cd today. sigh
[02:00] <Arenlor> jmdc Amaranth would be the best one to ask about compiz
[02:01] <mc44> Lars_G: when it's ready, please read the topic
[02:01] <littlebwoski> i want to get the new xorg config GUI app working. can someone give me a hand, please?????
[02:02] <jmdc> Lars_G: there isn't going to be something magical that happens when we go from RC to final release
[02:02] <Lars_G> jmdc: yeah I was thinking that
[02:03] <Arenlor> Lars_G they've not had an update for a good long bit so getting the CD today would be the best choice
[02:03] <mon^rch> ffft wait
[02:04] <Lars_G> Arenlor: and I highly doubt they'd change a lot of packages in a image one day before release, unless they plan to push the release back wich I doubt.
[02:04] <Lars_G> In fact in many cases unless very minor stuff needed fixing, they'd probably copy the RC file to final.
[02:04] <Arenlor> Lars_G true, plus the amount of people downloading tomorrow
[02:04] <Lars_G> Arenlor: best point so far
[02:04] <jmdc> If there was something big that changed, they would have to test. That would delay the release. They don't want to do that.
[02:05] <Lars_G> jmdc: exact.
[02:05] <Lars_G> Hah
[02:05] <Lars_G> too late anyhow
[02:05] <Lars_G> "The release candidate is no longer available in order to allow the final release to be transferred to mirrors. Ubuntu 7.10 final will be released on October 18. Please check again tomorrow"
[02:05] <Lars_G> Arenlor: Well we can beat the "all the people downloading" syndrome by using the torrents.
[02:06] <jmdc> Lars_G: you can probably still get the rc from other mirros (or torrents)
[02:06] <Arenlor> Lars_G except with how torrents go 20000 peers 0 seeds 99.9% available
[02:07] <Lars_G> And still the dvd image is still up. odd
[02:08] <dystopianray> you can still download the daily builds
[02:10] <nibsa1242b> Arenlor: still having the flash issue, even with a reinstall of firefox. However, I went ahead and installed the firefox3 alpha (Grandparadiso) went to a webpage with flash, and told it to install flash. So now flash works in FireFox 3 alpha.
[02:11] <Arenlor> nibsa1242b that's odd that it doesn't work
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> nibsa1242b: lol
[02:13] <varun0> if I manually recompiled my kernel to 2.6.23, will a gutsy upgrade wipe that out?
[02:14] <Arenlor> it shouldn't
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> varun0: possibly, if not.. it could totally mess your whole system up.
[02:14] <varun0> lol
[02:14] <varun0> so what do you recommend I do during the upgrade? will I be able to deselect the kernel packages?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> varun0: never heard of someone trying it..... who knows ;)
[02:15] <mc44> varun0: if you have a newer package number it won't upgrade
[02:15] <varun0> mc44: but I compiled it from source
[02:16] <nibsa1242b_> Arenlor: now that its installed in Firefox 3 it works in FireFox 2. I don't know why I couldn't get it to just work in Firefox2, but at least it works now. I'm happy.
[02:16] <Arenlor> that's what we work for nibsa1242b
[02:16] <RAOF> varun0: You *should* be fine.  At worst, you'll be able to boot with the Ubuntu supplied 2.6.22+ kernel.
[02:16] <varun0> RAOF: hm that's true........didn't think of that
[02:17] <dystopianray> how long after gutsy release until updates will be available with bug fixes?
[02:17] <varun0> so if I install the kernel package, my custom kernel should still be there, just the grub entry will be changed?
[02:17] <gaurish> Is gutsy released? It was suppose to coming on today but ubuntu.com does not open for me, is it down?
[02:17] <hydrogen> read the topic.
[02:17] <Arenlor> dystopianray, the answer is yes
[02:17] <RAOF> dystopianray: 18 months on the desktop, 3(?) years on the server.
[02:18] <dystopianray> RAOF: no I mean, how long will it take for updates packages to appear, a week, a day, a month?
[02:18] <Lars_G> gaurish: tomorrow, 18th not today
[02:19] <Lars_G> gaurish: If you're very to the east, it's 18th, usa time. afaik
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> nah... its only 9 here EST
[02:19] <varun0> does it come out at midnight or something?
[02:19] <Lars_G> it rarely does, in any release.
[02:19] <keanu> question...xchat just stopped logging logs all the sudden
[02:19] <DMLou> grrr... ndiswrapper isn't working either
[02:19] <Arenlor> dystopianray they could come out minutes after it is realeased or it could take a LOT longer
[02:20] <LiMaO> 40 min to 18th in here =D
[02:20] <Lars_G> keanu: check first your hdd's not full
[02:20] <keanu> Lars_G, 28% full
[02:20] <gaurish> Lars_G, it already 18th here :P
[02:20] <dystopianray> it's been the 18th for almost 11 hours here
[02:20] <keanu> Lars_G, though df isn't exiting properly...
[02:20]  * gaurish checks the date again its $ date
[02:20] <gaurish> Thu Oct 18 06:52:49 IST 2007
[02:21] <Lars_G> Wed Oct 17 21:21:49 VET 2007
[02:21] <Arenlor> 31 hours left for them to release it before the deadline is over
[02:21] <Lars_G> Arenlor: great point
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> ed Oct 17 21:21:45 EDT 2007
[02:21] <RAOF> dystopianray: Oh.  Um, whenever.
[02:22] <gaurish> Wow huge time gap there
[02:22] <Arenlor> 24 hours of the 18th and the very last timezone has 7 hours until then
[02:22] <Arenlor> so they have a nice large zone, but likely it'll be like 10-12 hours
[02:22] <dystopianray> Thu Oct 18 10:52:30 CST 2007
[02:23] <Lars_G> Arenlor: what it'll take to download? ;)
[02:23] <keanu> Lars_G, I was kicked from a channel (ops just joking around ;)) and when rejoining, xchat mentioned something about logs and permissions (?) - permissions are fine and all other channels started re-logging, but that one didn't
[02:24] <Lars_G> keanu: odd. maybe a script fouling on you? tried to reload?
[02:25] <nrdb> I need to reinstall ubuntu, how much difference is there likely to be between the 'release' and the 'release candidate' ?
[02:25] <keanu> Lars_G, except for the default scripts (tcl, perl, python) I don't have any others
[02:25] <Lars_G> keanu: If there's a log per room, move out the old logfile for that room and try again
[02:26] <keanu> Lars_G, 'k
[02:26] <keanu> Lars_G, any idea how to reload the tcl script? =/
[02:27] <Lars_G> Not sure. sorry
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> nrdb: its just a couple hours.... wait ;)
[02:27] <ConstyXIV> how do you put your machine in suspend-to-ram from the command line?
[02:27] <nrdb> nosrednaekim: ok.
[02:27] <dystopianray> ConstyXIV: might be something like: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[02:29] <WorkingOnWise> fyi - gnomebaker had no clue what to do with a dvd-r disk. k3b does.
[02:29] <keanu> Lars_G, ok, it's all fine now ;)  thanks
[02:29] <Lars_G> np
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> k3b rox
[02:30] <ectospasm> k3b rox
[02:30] <ectospasm> heh
[02:30] <Lars_G> it does rox
[02:31] <Necrosan_> i want gutsy
[02:31] <Necrosan_> and i want him now
[02:31] <ectospasm> I just got it
[02:31] <ectospasm> I'm disappointed in what Gnome 2.whatever has decided I don't need
[02:32] <Necrosan_> where'd you get it bruh
[02:32] <jimcooncat> I'd like to understand, if I upgrade, how does the software know how to convert files in my .dot directories to the format the new package versions may require? Is there chance of a conflict?
[02:32] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim: sure does. thanks for the recommendation.
[02:32] <sorbix> how do i know if an upgrade problem is a bug in gutsy or something wrong with my particular system
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> jimcooncat: I don't think there is much of a chance of an error
[02:33] <RAOF> jimcooncat: They don't.  It's up to the programs themselves to understand their older configuration files.  If one doesn't, that's a bug.
[02:33] <ectospasm> sorbix:  I'd move your existing settings out of the way, and see if the problem with that particular app still occurs
[02:33] <ectospasm> I had to blow away my firefox profile for it to work properly
[02:33] <RAOF> jimcooncat: As nosrednaekim said, that doesn't often happen.  Generally programs gracefully handle upgrades.
[02:33] <sorbix> well, its a problem with dpkg and emacs22
[02:34] <sorbix> i dont have enough experience to troubleshoot that
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> downgrades are a different story though..
[02:34] <jimcooncat> nosrednaekim: I guess there would only be chance of a namespace error. Devs here are probably more careful of those things.
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> jimcooncat: I have NEVER had a problem with an upgrade. and I switch distros and versions alot.
[02:35] <sorbix> ectospasm, are you familiar with dpkg error codes?
[02:35] <jimcooncat> nosrednaekim: that's good to know. I do a lot of customization within a packages boundaries.
[02:35] <ectospasm> sorbix:  I don't use dpkg that often, so no
[02:36] <ectospasm> sorbix:  maybe the .deb (or whatever you're trying to install with dpkg) is incompatible with your system for whatever reason.
[02:36] <sorbix> ok i think there might be a bug in gutsy then... maybe a conflict with this version of dpkg and emacs22
[02:36] <Vuen> t-1 day! who's excited? i'm excited!
[02:37] <ectospasm> sorbix:  was your .deb built specifically for Gutsy?
[02:38] <sorbix> emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/jde emacs22 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, <TSORT> line 10.
[02:38] <sorbix> dont know, it was part of the dist upgrade
[02:38] <sorbix> so im assuming yes
[02:38] <sorbix> i mean, i dont need emacs, but it tries and fails to configure it every time i run apt-get
[02:39] <sorbix> and the dependent packes also
[02:39] <jimcooncat> sorbix: what's at that line in the emacs-install script?
[02:39] <sorbix> just annoying
[02:39] <ectospasm> so if you don't need emacs, just remove it...
[02:39] <sorbix> one second
[02:39] <littlebwoski> i need help with the xorg GUI config
[02:39] <littlebwoski> trying to get the secondary screen working
[02:39] <littlebwoski> can someone give me a hand please
[02:40] <sorbix> jimcooncat, i think its die "emacs-$action: " . join(" ", @cmd) . " failed";
[02:40] <littlebwoski> please?
[02:41] <jimcooncat> sorry, sorbix; that line probably isn't the error, that's the part that dumpted you out.
[02:41] <sorbix> littlebwoski, whats the problem
[02:41] <sorbix> jimcooncat, yea, thats what i figured
[02:42] <sorbix> ill just removei t for now
[02:42] <sorbix> i dont ever use emacs
[02:42] <jimcooncat> sorbix: there's always a manual install (not my favorite thing to do though)
[02:43] <littlebwoski> sorbix: i use an ATI X300. i got one standard monitor VGA and one TV plugged to svideo out. i cant get the Screen config to see that i am using two screens
[02:43] <sorbix> littlebwoski, go to a terminal and type in fglrxinfo
[02:44] <littlebwoski> and
[02:44] <littlebwoski> done
[02:44] <sorbix> and what does it say
[02:44] <sorbix> msg me
[02:44] <littlebwoski> display:  0.0 screen: 0
[02:44] <littlebwoski> then card info
[02:44] <sorbix> can you paste hte output to me in a msg
[02:45] <maccam94> anyone here involved with the video card blacklist for 3D effects?
[02:46] <littlebwoski> sorbix: http://pastebin.com/m689c9b9a
[02:46] <Vuen> maccam94: why?
[02:46] <maccam94> Vuen: i'm wondering why my intel card is blacklisted. I know it has issues with certain plugins, but it should work with normal effects...
[02:47] <halycon_> hey everyone
[02:47] <crdlb> maccam94, which one?
[02:47] <sorbix> littlebwoski, do you know if your desktop effects work, or if you have 3d acceleration
[02:47] <halycon_> Does anyone have any idea why I wouldnt be able to seek with Totem Movie Player?
[02:47] <littlebwoski> yes compiz and all that stuff is working
[02:48] <maccam94> crdlb: it's a new dell inspiron 1420n (preloaded ubuntu). it has the intel GM965/GL960 (aka x3100)
[02:48] <sorbix> ok littlebwoski this might be out of my league.  i thought you might not be using the right driver
[02:48] <sorbix> so it just doesnt detect the second display?
[02:48] <crdlb> maccam94, Xv video is borken
[02:48] <littlebwoski> the second monitor - the tv on the svideo out is working but as a clone of the original monitor res
[02:48] <crdlb> broken*
[02:49] <sorbix> littlebwoski, as i understand it the double monitor feature is relativley new, it might just not be supported beyond that
[02:49] <sorbix> but i could be wrong
[02:49] <littlebwoski> right
[02:49] <maccam94> crdlb: oh yeah now that you mention that I remember that's an issue. are there other ways of rendering video?
[02:49] <littlebwoski> ok will keep tryin
[02:49] <littlebwoski> cheers
[02:49] <sorbix> littlebwoski, maybe try the forums
[02:49] <littlebwoski> yep
[02:49] <sorbix> good luck
[02:53] <sorbix> lol i just loaded up the GNOME art app and its trying to download about 1100 backgrounds
[02:53] <sorbix> ummm stop
[02:53] <maccam94> lol
[02:53] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using a dell latitude d400.  just upgraded from feisty.  knetworkmanager worked fine previously.  but with gutsy, knetworkmanager doesn't seem to be able to pickup any active devices.  although i'm still connected to the net.
[02:54] <dystopianray> fulat2k: what wifi card do you have?
[02:55] <fulat2k> dystopianray: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[02:55] <maccam94> dystopianray, fulat2k: i also just upgraded to gutsy, and I got a HAL error when i logged in. i had to manually run hald as root to get my intel wifi card to show up again
[02:55] <fulat2k> maccam94: ahh... now i remember.  hal was not configured properly when i was upgrading this morning.
[03:01] <Powerking89670> night all
[03:03] <Oli``> Has anyone on Gutsy had any updates in the last 24hours?
[03:03] <maccam94> Oli``: yes
[03:04] <Oli``> how recently?
[03:04] <maccam94> um i last updated 5 hours ago i think
[03:04] <maccam94> before that it was 16 hours previous
[03:05] <maccam94> but i have a lot of things installed that aren't in the base ubuntu install
[03:05] <scapegoat> Strange, i haven't seen any updates in ~24 hours - says up to date though.
[03:05] <Atlantiz> http://segra007.thg.se/files/letsparty
[03:05] <Atlantiz> oops
[03:05] <Atlantiz> i meant to paste this http://exiles.ws/ubuntugutsy.jpg
[03:06] <Oli``> hmm doesn't render properly here
[03:06] <Oli``> not at all
[03:06] <Oli``> (the page, not the image you just posted)
[03:07] <Atlantiz> yea I didn't mean to paste the page just the image
[03:12] <gaurish> (__)    ~
[03:12] <gaurish>          (oo)   /   LETS PARTY!
[03:12] <gaurish>      _____\/___/
[03:12] <gaurish>     /  /\ / /
[03:12] <gaurish>    ~  /  * /
[03:12] <gaurish>      / ___/
[03:12] <gaurish> *----/\
[03:12] <gaurish>     /  \
[03:12] <gaurish>    /   /
[03:12] <gaurish>   ~    ~
[03:12] <gaurish> yeppy
[03:13] <DARKGuy> Guys, I can't wait for Gutsy, is RC the same as the one it's gonna be uploaded tomorrow?
[03:13] <dystopianray> DARKGuy: not the RC, but the daily-build may very well be the same as the final release
[03:14] <DARKGuy> dystopianray, SWEET, where can I get it? x)
[03:14] <Pici> gaurish: dont do that. party in #ubuntu-release-party
[03:14] <dystopianray> DARKGuy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[03:14] <DARKGuy> dystopianray, awesome!! I'm a happy dragon now :3
[03:14] <DARKGuy> dystopianray, thanks xD
[03:15] <jer135> Did the GDM boot splash get the boot?
[03:16] <WorkingOnWise> ok. hoy do I get permission to write to my external hard drive?
[03:16] <WorkingOnWise> hoy=how
[03:19] <WorkingOnWise> pretty quite it here...
[03:20] <dystopianray> what filesystem is the drive using?
[03:22] <XiXaQ> AWTY?
[03:27] <Dangerous_Fun>  the last update of ß7.10 killed my ethernet interfaces if I use wireless it sees the nets but can not connect the eth0 does not connect at all it is set to DHCP
[03:28] <WorkingOnWise> dystopianray: any I want. was ntfs, now it's ext2. As root I can edit with gparted and create new, but as myself, I can see it and it automounts, but I cant write to it.
[03:28] <Dangerous_Fun> can some one help me get them live again?
[03:28] <Dangerous_Fun> <bit of a newbie
[03:30] <AmyRose> Dangerous_Fun: You shouldn't be beta testing if you're a newbie
[03:30] <Dangerous_Fun> thanks that real helpfull
[03:30] <AmyRose> !beta
[03:31] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[03:31] <Dangerous_Fun> i said bit not total
[03:31] <Arenlor> new pretty graphics on Ubuntu.com
[03:31] <AmyRose> Dangerous_Fun: Sorry, but you really shouldn't until you're very familiar with Linux.
[03:32] <Dhraakellian> will the Gutsy LiveCD's be able to install to LVM, or would that require an alternate install CD still?
[03:32] <RAOF> Dhraakellian: Still alternate
[03:32] <Dhraakellian> okay
[03:33] <RAOF> Dhraakellian: Maybe for Hardy.  There's been work that way, but it's not done.
[03:33] <Dangerous_Fun> ok thanks AmyRose nwo can i have a nother helper :-)
[03:33]  * AmyRose wishes LARTing still worked, especially now
[03:33] <Dhraakellian> thanks, RAOF
[03:33] <Dhraakellian> that's what I needed to know
[03:34] <AmyRose> I am wondering if ShipIt will have CD's for Hardy+1
[03:34] <arooni> is there any problem with running compiz if you have a blacklisted lcd?
[03:34] <arooni> it seems to be running fine
[03:34] <AmyRose> arooni: A blacklisted lcd?
[03:35] <RAOF> arooni: Generally your card has been blacklisted because of some problem (mostly XVideo problems, but some ATI cards are blacklisted 'cause of random lockups)
[03:35] <arooni> i have the x3100
[03:35] <Arenlor> AmyRose LARTing does work, you just need your +b bat
[03:35] <RAOF> arooni: So, as long as you don't care about the thing that's broken, you can happily override the blacklist (SKIP_CHECKS="yes")
[03:36] <arooni> intel hin
[03:36] <RAOF> arooni: Ah, so you have broken XVideo.  Right.
[03:36] <jmichaelx> i am assuming that there should be at least one more sizable batch up upgrades for gutsy.... does any have an indication as to whether or not this will be the case?
[03:36] <jmichaelx> i am still having multiple issues in gutsy
[03:36] <AmyRose> Arenlor: And what do I do if I'm not an op?
[03:36] <RAOF> jmichaelx: There almost certianly won't be.  Archive has been *hard* frozen for a while.
[03:37] <jmichaelx> RAOF: i am sorry to hear that...
[03:37] <Arenlor> well see life comes with a special chanserv that OPs everyone if someone starts to troll or spam
[03:37] <jmichaelx> things with gutsy are still pretty screwed up on my end
[03:37] <RAOF> jmichaelx: Right now, any fixes will be targeting gutsy-proposed in order to be a SRU.
[03:37] <jmichaelx> ahh
[03:37] <crimsun> jmichaelx: some portion of the (potential, too) userbase will be out of luck, unfortunately.
[03:37] <arooni> RAOF, do they know about that issue
[03:37] <sub[t]rnl> couple questions.  Has there been word about amarok failing to work with Gutsy?
[03:38] <RAOF> arooni: What issue?  That your card is blacklisted?  Yes, because we blacklisted it ourselves :)
[03:38] <sub[t]rnl> seems that the .deb wouldn't install correctly
[03:38] <WorkingOnWise> these are the things that just drive me crazy about linux.... I plug in my external hdd on mac, windows anything, or Solarus, and "it just works" On linux, it  gets treated like some freakin major security breach! And to get rw access to the freakin drive I get to dig around on the net lookin for info I'm not even sure I'd recognize if I found it, and won't know f it's right till I try it! If the info isn't right, I get t
[03:38] <maccam94> sub[t]rnl: it worked fine for me on saturday
[03:38] <Oli``> sub[t]rnl: I'm using amarok in gutsy right now
[03:38] <arooni> RAOF, but why did you?
[03:38] <arooni> it works great
[03:38] <sub[t]rnl> Oli``: hrm
[03:38] <arooni> or seems to
[03:38] <arooni> ;p
[03:38] <sub[t]rnl> Oli``: from apt?
[03:38] <sub[t]rnl> Oli``: seems I had to build from source to get it to work
[03:38] <Oli``> sub[t]rnl: yup
[03:38] <jmichaelx> well, i am and will continue to be an *ubuntu fan, but i may be switching distros for the time being. gutsy has a lot of bad bugs (for me, at least) as of tonight
[03:38] <sub[t]rnl> dern
[03:38] <riotkittie> because what was working for you wasnt working for a lot of others.
[03:38] <RAOF> arooni: Because XVideo is broken.  Tried playing videos with the Xv output under Compiz?
[03:38] <arooni> oh noes
[03:39] <arooni> really
[03:39] <arooni> thats too bad
[03:39] <WorkingOnWise> so....how do I use this hdd in linux?
[03:39] <`23meg> RAOF, what output module works with Compiz?
[03:39] <sub[t]rnl> Oli``: you using gnome or kde?
[03:39] <Oli``> gnome
[03:39]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[03:39] <sub[t]rnl> kde here
[03:39] <RAOF> `23meg: Well, X11 (no Xv).  OpenGL won't work (see lack of redirected direct rendering)
[03:39] <sub[t]rnl> wonder if thats making a difference
[03:40] <Oli``> But amarok is built for kde...
[03:40] <RAOF> `23meg: And X11 (no Xv) is sloooooow and ugly.
[03:40] <sub[t]rnl> hrm!
[03:40] <sub[t]rnl> worked fine in .04, upgraded, now it just wont work
[03:40] <`23meg> RAOF, nothing else working at all? Is totem using X11 by default?
[03:40] <Oli``> if anyone should have a problem out of us two, it should be me =)
[03:40] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[03:40] <RAOF> `23meg: No.  Totem is using Xv by default, and we blacklist cards for which Xv-under-compiz doesn't work.
[03:40] <Oli``> have you tried removing and reinstalling it from apt?
[03:41] <jmichaelx> are many other having problems mounting vfat partitions, as I am? i am also having problems with rt2500-based wireless.
[03:41] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, did an apt-get --purge remove amarok, then reinstalled it
[03:41] <sub[t]rnl> still no go
[03:41] <`23meg> ah, I see
[03:41] <sub[t]rnl> just wont load period, and it doesn't even complain you know.. just says the old "amarok is taking a long time to load, something could be wrong"
[03:41] <sub[t]rnl> jazz
[03:42] <`23meg> anyone here with a Geforce Go6200 TurboCache?
[03:42] <Oli``> tried launching it from a terminal window to see if there's any debug info?
[03:42] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[03:42] <sub[t]rnl> no such luck
[03:43] <sub[t]rnl> just hangs.  checked the processes and I see amarok up and amarokapp, but the gui just never appears
[03:43] <sub[t]rnl> ok, if you can run it in gnome, I HAVE to get it to work now
[03:43] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[03:43] <sub[t]rnl> to save face
[03:43] <Oli``> heh
[03:43] <maccam94> sub[t]rnl: oh i have an idea
[03:44] <maccam94> sub[t]rnl: have you tried running amarok again without killing the old one? or do you see the icon in the taskbar?
[03:44] <XiXaQ> AWTY?
[03:45] <maccam94> are we there yet?
[03:45] <maccam94> no
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> maccam94: not too sure, was using ksmoothdock, but I killed that too.  Going with the default kicker now.  Let me kill my source build, and try to re-apt get it
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> never saw an icon or anything though
[03:45] <Oli``> XiXaQ:  Anyone Want To Yelp?
[03:45] <maccam94> sub[t]rnl: i ran it in gnome on saturday
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> shh!
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[03:45] <maccam94> lol
[03:45] <XiXaQ> Oli``, :)
[03:47] <necronekostar> USB Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon install <--- anyone tried that ? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[03:48] <Arenlor> I haven't tried making a live USB of gutsy yet no
[03:48] <necronekostar> hm
[03:48] <necronekostar> mind looking at that linky
[03:48] <necronekostar> :?
[03:48] <necronekostar> looks like they are just having u boot to a live/iso/usb thing and using a dir for changes
[03:48] <necronekostar> question is what if you update packages..... i dont think it would save to the dealio
[03:49] <necronekostar> i think maybe i need to create a custom livecd for what i want my usb iso part to be
[03:49] <Arenlor> I have a live USB of Feisty, it uses casper-rw partition for changes (have to boot as persistent) but haven't checked updates
[03:50] <necronekostar> right
[03:50] <necronekostar> so its basically booting from an iso of the live cd?
[03:50] <Arenlor> yes
[03:50] <necronekostar> ah
[03:51] <necronekostar> frugal install or something like that.. ok..
[03:51] <Arenlor> that's why I call it a live USB
[03:51] <necronekostar> i need to make a total custom live cd then
[03:51] <necronekostar> server install + gnome-panel + compiz-fusion + k3b + xchat + mplayer
[03:53] <necronekostar> hm
[03:53] <necronekostar> did gutsy release rob?
[03:53] <Pici> necronekostar: no, we're just being proactive.
[03:53] <necronekostar> 0:
[03:53] <Pici> its close enough though :/
[03:53] <rob> yes, according to the front page of ubuntu.com, and yes we are being a slight bit proactive
[03:54] <rob> note that the download page is still pending an update
[03:54] <Pici> rob: you might want to fix the second half of the topic
[03:54] <necronekostar> know of any good resources on how to create total custom live cd?
[03:54] <Pici> :)
[03:54] <rob> there we go :)
[03:55] <rob> and if anyone is curious about hardy, no its not out yet :)
[03:55] <Evanlec> does anyone know if there's a FreeNX repo for gutsy out there?
[03:55] <mntnpngn> hehe
[03:55] <jdrake> So when does +1 work start for the enxt one?
[03:55] <maccam94> hardy is 6 months away lol
[03:55] <rob> jdrake, soon
[03:56] <necronekostar> like 2 mo :P
[03:56] <necronekostar> then we get some fun really alpha broken crap :D
[03:56] <jmichaelx> i am having a problem mounting vfat partitions in gutsy, but if i boot up in the last kernel i was using in feisty, i have no problems
[03:57] <rob> if you guys are wondering why no one is joining, they are forwarded to #ubuntu now as support is now accepted in there instead
[03:57] <Arenlor> I like it, it's nice a quiet in here now, peaceful
[03:58] <rob> yeah
[03:58] <Oli``> amen
[03:58] <Oli``> What's the next release called?
[03:58] <Arenlor> Horny Hobo :P
[03:58] <Oli``> lol
[03:58] <DARKGuy> lol
[03:58] <DARKGuy> yay, whee.
[03:59] <Oli``> is the next major 8.10?
[03:59] <rob> Hardy Heron isn't it?
[03:59] <rob> I can't remember
[03:59] <Oli``> mm sounds familiar
[03:59] <crdlb> !hardy
[03:59] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[04:00] <rob> woot for memory :)
[04:00] <Oli``> heh
[04:00] <Arenlor> I think Horny Hobo would have gotten more teens to use it
[04:01] <rob> Horny Hottie you mean?
[04:01] <necronekostar> btw rob ubuntu.com reverted
[04:01] <Arenlor> let's still leave it like this
[04:02] <rob> necronekostar, yes, but says 0 days to go, so we are just going to leave it
[04:02] <Arenlor> #ubuntu is nearly crashing my comp at the speed of posts
[04:02] <necronekostar> lol
[04:02] <necronekostar> not saying u should change anything... just wanted to mention it ;)
[04:02] <Arenlor> rob, it says 01 days left to go here lol
[04:02] <rob> 00 here :)
[04:02] <necronekostar> 01
[04:02] <necronekostar> clear your cache rob
[04:02] <necronekostar> oh wait
[04:02] <rob> I have
[04:02] <Arenlor> they have 30 hours left
[04:03] <necronekostar> @_@
[04:03] <rob> heh
[04:03] <Arenlor> and it's a javascript thing for how much time is left lol
[04:03] <Viper007> earlier it was the 7.10 page for me ... now it's back to 1 day left
[04:03] <Arenlor> so it's based on your system time
[04:03] <necronekostar> Wed Oct 17 20:03:09 PDT 2007
[04:03] <rob> its into the release day for me already
[04:03] <necronekostar> yeah
[04:03] <necronekostar> figured
[04:03] <necronekostar> where u at?
[04:03] <rob> Australia
[04:03] <rob> +10
[04:03] <Oli``> it's 00 here... (UK, GMT+1)
[04:04] <Arenlor> wait 32 hours left for them
[04:04] <necronekostar> o
[04:04] <necronekostar> niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
[04:04] <sorbix> is there an ubuntu dev channel
[04:05] <Arenlor> #ubuntu-devel
[04:05] <jmichaelx> i really do hope there are some updates tomorrow, or within the next day or two :-( . everyone said that there wouldn't be in feisty, but then the day before release, there was a new kernel upgrade, which helped a lot
[04:05] <sorbix> oooh, gutsy freeze in effect
[04:06] <Arenlor> it's fun and fine for me, no need for a buggy update
[04:06] <Oli``> aww
[04:06] <jmichaelx> Arenlor: for me gutsy is already very buggy
[04:06] <Oli``> There was me hoping my magical -15 kernel would make it into the repos =)
[04:07] <sorbix> what makes it magical?
[04:07] <sorbix> does it summon rms
[04:07] <sorbix> +5 to int?
[04:07] <Oli``> it's magic because it doesn't exist and my computer somehow managed to download and install it =)
[04:07] <Arenlor> Oli``:  someone else already beat you, they had both -15 and -16
[04:07] <Oli``> wow
[04:07] <Arenlor> we took care of them too
[04:08] <sorbix> You have picked up the Magical Kernel of Healing.
[04:08] <Oli``> no it was a Cursed  Kernel of Death (+5)
[04:08] <sorbix> haha
[04:08] <dystopianray> a wizard has turned you into a gibbon, is this awesome?
[04:09] <Oli``> blimey.. if you thought #ubuntu was getting chaotic, check out #ubuntu-release-party
[04:09] <jmichaelx> are many having problems with vfat partition mounting? if not, maybe i just need to do a fresh install.
[04:09] <AmyRose> haha, I'm in the party channel
[04:09] <Arenlor> time to crash my system, I'm going to join that too
[04:09] <Oli``> lol
[04:10] <jmichaelx> i won't be partying, i'll be switching distros :-(
[04:10] <Oli``> why what's the problem?
[04:10] <Arenlor> why are you switching and to what?
[04:10] <AmyRose> Is this channel being closed now? Someone says that they're being forwarded to #ubuntu
[04:10] <crdlb> yes
[04:10] <cafuego> Yep
[04:11] <crdlb> * Channel #ubuntu+1 modes: +tinczf #ubuntu
[04:11] <AmyRose> Oh
[04:11] <Arenlor> yep we're here safe and comfortable and peaceful
[04:11] <varun0> wow........total anarchy in #ubuntu-release-party
[04:11] <dystopianray> gutsy is out now?
[04:11] <cafuego> This is now the exclusive home of those who can manage to not drop offline.
[04:11] <jmichaelx> Oli``: 2 problems..... on 2 machines problems with mounting vfat partitions, and with my laptop problems with rt2500 based wireless, too
[04:11] <Oli``> multilingual anarchy at that
[04:11] <cafuego> Screaming children, rather
[04:12] <jdrake> Does the main cd contain the development stuff (gcc,stdlib,ld,etc)? I have a friend who is not on the internet that needs those things and need to make sure.
[04:12] <mntnpngn> okie..  this room is more tolerable than #ubuntu-release-party
[04:12] <AmyRose> mntnpngn: Even though it's closed now?
[04:12] <jmichaelx> Arenlor: if i switch, and i don't want to, it will be to debian lenny
[04:12] <mntnpngn> hi AmyRose ..   yes
[04:12] <cafuego> jdrake: I'm not sure... but the DVD would - I'm pretty sure there is a DVD :-)
[04:12] <AmyRose> cafuego: XD
[04:12] <Oli``> jdrake: even if they're not, you can make a CD with APT packages on
[04:12] <Arenlor> we have our own party here
[04:12] <AmyRose> cafuego: I hope my connection doesn't drop
[04:13] <jdrake> Oli``: This is true
[04:13] <cafuego> My rdiff-backup scripts are about to run, so i might <heh>
[04:13] <jmichaelx> i am going to wait to see if gutsy fixes some bugs in the first week or so before i switch
[04:13] <Sir_Sid> sorry to be an annoyance, but at what time will the new version be released?
[04:13] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: The reason I tested was because I wanted to help provide a "push" to fix some bugs in Gutsy before the release
[04:13] <AmyRose> Sir_Sid: WhenItsDone
[04:14] <rob> I don't think gutsy will be like edgy, in fact I have been running it for some time now and it has been much better then edgy
[04:14] <dystopianray> edgy was bad?
[04:14] <Sir_Sid> heh sorry Im sure you hear that often
[04:14] <AmyRose> dystopianray: No, Dapper was bad, I think.
[04:14] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: yeah, i understand.... well, i hope they at least get fixed soon after release...
[04:14] <Arenlor> Sir_Sid it gets pushed back an hour each time someone asks that
[04:14] <Sir_Sid> lol
[04:14] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: Well, most bugs I complained about did get fixed.
[04:14] <mntnpngn> hmm...  chicken sandwich + watching ghost hunters + waiting for gutsy = night of fun
[04:15] <jmichaelx> feisty was fine for me, gutsy so far has been not good at all
[04:15] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: What's wrong with it?
[04:15] <sorbix> i dont get why people wonder what time... its not like they will be able to do dist upgrades
[04:15] <sorbix> i guess tehy want the torrent?
[04:15] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: that is awesome. i could have done a better job with bug reports
[04:15] <rob> imo edgy was crap..
[04:15] <Arenlor> no fair there mntnpngn I don't have TV
[04:15] <rob> but feisty and gutsy have been pretty good for me thus far
[04:16] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: 2 things.... vfat partition mounting has problems on 2 machines, nd on my lappy , rt2500 wireless still has major issues. rt2500 was great in feisty
[04:16] <rob> http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/releases.ubuntu.com/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/
[04:16] <Oli``> jmichaelx: I assume you've seen the Gutsy HOWTO for the rt2500?
[04:16] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: I've had trouble with my rt2570 on Feisty because the default driver is horribly broken...
[04:17] <rob> yes, that is legit, you are allowed to give that out to the impatient
[04:17] <Arenlor> holy crap, nearly crashed my system with #ubuntu and #ubuntu-release-party at the same time
[04:17] <jdrake> Arenlor: What kind of system would crash with two large channels there?
[04:17] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: and it still seems broken--the only workaround was blacklisting a bunch of wi-fi-related modules
[04:17] <Oli``> are you running linux on a toaster Arenlor? =P
[04:17] <jmichaelx> Oli``: : i looked at one that was very confusing and as recommending using ndiswrapper.... which i really do not want to do. is that the one you mean?
[04:17] <Oli``> yup
[04:18] <AmyRose> Oli``: Why would ew
[04:18] <AmyRose> we need a howto?
[04:18] <AmyRose> Oli``: It JustWorks in Edgy
[04:18] <Oli``> Yeah I agree it's not perfect considering there are native drivers but if it's a choice between wrapping and no wireless =)
[04:18] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: you mean native rt2500 drivers could work if i blacklst some others?
[04:18] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: Yes.
[04:18] <jmichaelx> Oli``: true
[04:18] <Arenlor> it's a system that when I have only my normal programs running is using 1.8 GHz and is slightly choppy lol, I need to stop "multi-tasking" so much
[04:19] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: I refuse to use ndiswrapper
[04:19] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: well, that is good news. do you know where to go for instauctions on which drivers to blacklist?
[04:19] <AmyRose> Arenlor: Are you running Windows Vista? O_o
[04:19] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: No, but I figured out which ones on my own
[04:19] <nomasteryoda|w> AmyRose, i spent $28 to get a nice Intel 2915 a/b/g card
[04:19] <nomasteryoda|w> for my dell
[04:19] <Arenlor> AmyRose no I said I was actually able to run programs on it before it got to that point
[04:19] <nomasteryoda|w> its perfect
[04:19] <nomasteryoda|w> intel video, intel board, intel card
[04:20] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: me, too. i have never used ndiswrapper, and DEFINITELY will not consider using it for rt2500
[04:20] <nomasteryoda|w> all working sweet
[04:20] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: Just blacklist all modules that are claiming your card now, and it should fall back on working ones.
[04:20] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: do you remember which ones you blcklisted?
[04:20] <mntnpngn> vista is probably the best thing to happen for linux
[04:20] <Oli``> yup
[04:20] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: It was a long list--I could PM you the list
[04:20] <Oli``> I'm a Vista convert
[04:20] <jmichaelx> ok, do i just do an lsmod to see?
[04:20] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: Yeah, but I can PM you the list
[04:20] <jmichaelx> ok , cool
[04:21] <Arenlor> I'm a Vista Convert too, man was that hell trying to run on this system
[04:21] <Oli``> ouch, i bet
[04:21] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: Just let me plug in the hard drive I have it on
[04:21] <AmyRose> Arenlor: I converted to avoid XP
[04:21] <jmichaelx> AmyRose: it is weird, sometimes when i boot up, my wirelss card works, and sometimes it just doesn't work at all
[04:22] <Arenlor> AmyRose I nearly converted at ME but then our computer melted
[04:22] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: The problem is that the default drivers are broken, and they don't seem to care about fixing this. If this doesn't work, you can just use module-assistant to compile the working drivers
[04:23] <Arenlor> squee the ubuntu site is throwing an error
[04:23] <mntnpngn> oh dear...  someone is trying to crash the party?
[04:23] <mntnpngn> it appears ubuntu.com is down
[04:24] <AmyRose> jmichaelx: I just sent you the blacklist
[04:25] <rob> oops.
[04:25] <Arenlor> too many connections, I think they're either having lots and lots of visitors or are getting DDoS'd by M$
[04:26] <necronekostar> ok if it comes up again http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Live_CD_distributions should do er
[04:26] <halycon_> Does anyone know why I am not able to seek with Totem Media Player?
[04:26] <necronekostar> Arenlor its not that surprizing
[04:26] <necronekostar> i think its on a single server :P
[04:26] <necronekostar> halycon_ with what kinda file? mp4? it probably didnt have a good index in it.
[04:27] <halycon_> necronekostar: it seems to be every movie file
[04:27] <halycon_> even avi files
[04:27] <necronekostar> oh, something's probably broken
[04:27] <Arenlor> and it's back up
[04:27] <mntnpngn> yup..  it's back up
[04:27] <necronekostar> make sure to install all gstreamer packages that you might need... if you use that blasted thing... if not use mplayer and quit trippin :P
[04:27] <halycon_> necronekostar: Should I just try reinstalling it I just switched it to use gstreamer
[04:28] <necronekostar> Arenlor it also probably doesnt help the extra load from yall refreshing 24-7
[04:28] <halycon_> necronekostar: Dont mplayer/xine/totem all use gstreamer/xine
[04:28] <necronekostar> halycon_ first try um one sec
[04:28] <Arenlor> I don't, I check once an hour at about :25
[04:28] <halycon_> or have the ability to
[04:28] <Arenlor> it was down
[04:28] <AmyRose> halycon_: No.
[04:28] <Arenlor> so I checked again just then, and it was up again
[04:29] <halycon_> oh I didnt really know what the difference between any of the media players was besides the GUI
[04:29] <halycon_> so I just picked Totem since I like how it looks
[04:29] <AmyRose> halycon_: MPlayer, Xine, and GStreamer are all different backends, while Totem is a front-end for Xine or GStreamer
[04:29] <halycon_> oh ok
[04:29] <AmyRose> But I think Kaffeine pwns Totem
[04:29] <necronekostar> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[04:29] <halycon_> AmyRose: this is kind of a dumb question but which was is the best IYO?
[04:30] <jmichaelx> kaffeine rocks and rolls
[04:30] <AmyRose> halycon_: The best media player? I think Kaffeine is.
[04:30] <necronekostar> AmyRose kaffeine is just a front end
[04:30] <necronekostar> kaffeine powered by mplayer is wat rulz
[04:30] <AmyRose> necronekostar: Uh, yeah, I know, it's a front end to Xine
[04:30] <jmichaelx> ok, xine rocks and rolls :-P
[04:30] <necronekostar> /mplayer/ *singing*
[04:30] <AmyRose> necronekostar: Uh, how the heck do you get Kaffeine to use MPlayer?
[04:31] <necronekostar> i obviously play a wider range of media lol - xine just doesnt quite cut it ^^
[04:31] <necronekostar> AmyRose ive not currently got it installed but its in the preferences
[04:31] <halycon_> I dont suppose you guys know anything about lirc
[04:31] <AmyRose> necronekostar: Uh, then I'd just use KMplayer for that...
[04:31] <jmichaelx> i have not found anything that does better than xine...
[04:31] <necronekostar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351681
[04:31] <necronekostar> er
[04:31] <necronekostar> whoops
[04:32] <AmyRose> great thread, necronekostar :P
[04:32] <necronekostar> lol
[04:32] <necronekostar> fark it i'll install kaffeine one sec
[04:32] <halycon_> Im trying to get my ATI Remote Wonder working and I have no idea how to get the built in support configured or how to get it to work using LIRC
[04:32] <necronekostar> 18.9MB used new not needed...........
[04:33] <necronekostar> AmyRose gimme another 30sec or so :P
[04:34] <AmyRose> necronekostar: OK, your time is up.
[04:34] <mntnpngn> hehe
[04:34] <necronekostar> i meant till i was running it silly lady
[04:34] <Arenlor> necronekostar why'd you choose that name?
[04:34] <necronekostar> mm
[04:35] <necronekostar> dead cat star
[04:35] <necronekostar> nekostar is usually me
[04:35] <necronekostar> and starscalling is my orig online nick
[04:35]  * necronekostar shrugs
[04:35] <necronekostar> i was connected to freenode from too many places this was open
[04:35] <necronekostar> also several other nicks are me too :P
[04:35] <necronekostar> hmmmmmm
[04:36] <Arenlor> I must say I want to google it but am afraid of the results
[04:36] <halycon_> something tells me im going to have to go to bed b4 I get my remote working
[04:37] <halycon_> its a trickster
[04:37] <necronekostar> halycon_ try googling your exact model
[04:37] <halycon_> I did
[04:37] <halycon_> and I still cant figure out how to get it to work ;)
[04:37] <halycon_> I found a lot of documents on how to setup stuff
[04:37] <necronekostar> AmyRose huh ok your right - been so long since i tried... must have been kmplayer or something
[04:37] <halycon_> and the closest I came was with LIRC
[04:37] <necronekostar> there was one that was a front end to gstreamer/xine/OR MPLAYER
[04:38] <Arenlor> halycon_ try setting the time on your VCR and after that come back and work on this, it'll seem simple
[04:38] <necronekostar> halycon_ what is your exact status - what remote
[04:38] <AmyRose> necronekostar: KMplayer is probably what you're thinking of
[04:38] <necronekostar> AmyRose but will it also do xine/gstreamer ? the kmplayer i mean
[04:38] <halycon_> necronekostar: im single j/k but my remote is a ATI Remote Wonder
[04:39] <necronekostar> halycon_ link me
[04:39] <necronekostar> what model ati remote wonder
[04:39] <halycon_> and the mouse part of it works in KDE by default
[04:39] <halycon_> link me?
[04:39] <halycon_> ummm the first version
[04:39] <halycon_> its not the newer version
[04:39] <necronekostar> mm
[04:39] <necronekostar> kde or gnome halycon_
[04:39] <halycon_> oh kde
[04:40] <necronekostar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=95146
[04:40] <AmyRose> necronekostar: Is that another unanswered thread?
[04:40] <necronekostar> no ~_~
[04:40] <halycon_> thats the one i read
[04:40] <necronekostar> halycon_ ok so go to the end of the thread
[04:40] <halycon_> I can get all the keycodes
[04:40] <necronekostar> er ok
[04:40] <necronekostar> then what
[04:40] <halycon_> for my remote and it detects them but I have no idea how to get programs to use the keycodes
[04:41] <halycon_> and I tried using XMMS and it has a IRMan plugin
[04:41] <halycon_> and I tried entering the keycodes into that
[04:41] <halycon_> but apparantly that only works with homebrew remotes
[04:41] <necronekostar> does it have gyro?
[04:41] <halycon_> and the LIRC plugin I cant get to work until I can get LIRC to detect my remote ;)
[04:41] <halycon_> gyro?
[04:41] <halycon_> im sorry i dont know what that is
[04:41] <necronekostar> so the real problem is that lirc doesnt detect it?
[04:42] <halycon_> thats one problem
[04:42] <necronekostar> [think airmouse]
[04:42] <halycon_> yeah it has a mouse controller on it
[04:42] <halycon_> and the mouse movies
[04:42] <halycon_> moves*
[04:42] <necronekostar> so when u push buttons on the remote do you see devents triggered?
[04:42] <Arenlor> never ever decide to give a 6-8 minute informational speech on Ubuntu, it's impossible to decide just what the heck Ubuntu is as a topic
[04:42] <halycon_> and if I hit the A and B button it prints out A or B
[04:42] <necronekostar> then it is detected and working via LIRC
[04:43]  * necronekostar pats Arenlor
[04:43] <necronekostar> start with what it means to you?
[04:43] <AmyRose> Arenlor: Try Kubuntu instead!
[04:43] <halycon_> in the kdeLIRC utility it says
[04:43] <halycon_> there are currently no remotes available
[04:43] <halycon_> you must configure LIRC
[04:43] <Arenlor> AmyRose, I just got started working on this speech, it's due tomorrow, at 8, so I can't switch topics :(
[04:43] <halycon_> and I tried doing that and then it said
[04:44] <halycon_> that the Infared connection was severed ;)
[04:44] <halycon_> so I have no idea where i went wrong
[04:44] <halycon_> I was trying to follow the instructions from this
[04:44] <halycon_> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-65115.html
[04:44] <halycon_> eventhough its for Fedora
[04:45] <halycon_> to get it to work with LIRC
[04:45] <Arenlor> I've gotten through the parts where I explain what OS's and Distributions are, now I'm trying to figure out how to explain what a Desktop Manager is, and I only have like a minute to do so in order to save most of the time for talking about Ubuntu itself, and that brought up, just what is Ubuntu, heh, easy way to give yourself a headache
[04:46] <necronekostar>  depmod -a | grep lirc
[04:46] <necronekostar> lsmod  | grep lirc
[04:47] <necronekostar> try those halycon_
[04:47] <necronekostar>  dmesg | grep lirc
[04:47] <necronekostar> that one too
[04:47] <nrdb> the download page doesn't have 7.10 yet, is out ?
[04:47] <necronekostar> nrdb not quite :D
[04:48] <necronekostar> try beta linky at top of ubuntu.com use beta thingie
[04:48] <nrdb> necronekostar: ok
[04:48] <necronekostar> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta
[04:48] <Arenlor> nrdb you just made it get pushed back an hour actually
[04:48] <necronekostar> ZOMG
[04:48] <necronekostar> halycon_ how we doin over there
[04:48] <nrdb> Arenlor: oh ha ha.
[04:48] <necronekostar> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Hoary_Installation#LIRC
[04:49] <Arenlor> every time someone asks that question they push it back an hour lol
[04:49] <necronekostar> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Lirc_on_Ubuntu_Dapper
[04:49] <necronekostar> using those as guide
[04:49] <necronekostar> Arenlor .........
[04:49] <cafuego> It's currently moving back at 14 days an hour.
[04:49] <necronekostar> if that were so then we would have to wait a few release cycles
[04:49] <necronekostar> cafuego oh thats not tha tbad then
[04:49] <necronekostar> :>
[04:49] <halycon_> necronekostar: the depmod command didnt return anything
[04:49]  * nrdb ha ha ha
[04:49] <necronekostar> *that bad
[04:49] <Arenlor> we do necronekostar
[04:49] <necronekostar> halycon_ there were two others
[04:49] <Arenlor> it's coming out in 2048
[04:50] <necronekostar> Arenlor just in time for windows 2k10
[04:50] <cafuego> I hope not, that would break the time horribly on the 32bit ones <heh>
[04:50] <necronekostar> /no pun intended/
[04:50] <halycon_> lirc_atiusb            19360  0
[04:50] <halycon_> lirc_dev               15860  1 lirc_atiusb
[04:50] <halycon_> usbcore               138248  6 lirc_atiusb,ati_remote,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[04:50] <necronekostar> halycon_ ........
[04:50] <halycon_> woops i wasnt supposed to do that was i ;)
[04:50] <necronekostar> lol
[04:50] <necronekostar> that was from second command i take it - now: dmesg | grep lirc
[04:51] <nrdb> Arenlor: isn't 2048 when 32bit second count overflows ?
[04:51] <cafuego> no, 2038
[04:51] <necronekostar> just tell me if its listed.....
[04:51] <halycon_> yeah it did
[04:51] <necronekostar> wth?
[04:51] <necronekostar> second count overflow? whats that nrdb / cafuego
[04:51] <necronekostar> halycon_ ok good
[04:51] <mntnpngn> I wonder if Mark has one of those red phone like in batman he uses to give the go ahead order...
[04:51] <Arenlor> I think it's like Aug 10th at 7 PM UTC or something that it overflows in 2048
[04:52] <Arenlor> *2038
[04:52] <necronekostar> see if you can run an app called mode2
[04:52] <Arenlor> and necronekostar, you remember y2k right?
[04:52] <halycon_> mode2?
[04:52] <necronekostar> Arenlor sure
[04:52] <necronekostar> halycon_ yes
[04:52] <Arenlor> well now imagine y2k only real
[04:53] <necronekostar> Arenlor we can only hope
[04:53] <necronekostar> i'll try setting my clock forward with no updates this weekend
[04:53] <necronekostar> hopefully everything will melt down
[04:53] <Arenlor> umm wow
[04:54] <Arenlor> yeah but the main worry is like the space satellites and the like
[04:54] <halycon_> necronekostar: it said error opening /dev/lirc
[04:54] <necronekostar> halycon_ so um.... did it run or what?
[04:54] <necronekostar> o
[04:54] <necronekostar> try irw
[04:54] <halycon_> no such file or directory
[04:54] <necronekostar> Arenlor i'm fine with that too
[04:54] <necronekostar> halycon_ ic
[04:55] <Arenlor> I think I should make a countdown for my site until the overflow happens
[04:56] <necronekostar> Arenlor i agree
[04:56] <necronekostar> halycon_ c/p exact error plz
[04:56] <halycon_> necronekostar:  that second command gives me output everytime I press a key
[04:56] <halycon_> mode2: error opening /dev/lirc
[04:56] <halycon_> mode2: No such file or directory
[04:57] <halycon_> thats the error from the first one
[04:58] <necronekostar> halycon_ ok good
[04:58] <necronekostar> show me output from one of em
[04:58] <necronekostar><PHONE_NUMBER>001794 00 Up Hauppauge_350
[04:58] <necronekostar> or however it looks for you
[04:58] <halycon_> 110 0 BTN_LEFT event2
[05:04] <necronekostar> sudo lircd
[05:04] <necronekostar> see if you can do that halycon_
[05:05] <halycon_> lircd: there seems to already be a lircd process with pid 28136
[05:06] <necronekostar> lircd.conf
[05:06] <necronekostar> does that exist in /etc ?
[05:06] <necronekostar> /etc/lircd.conf
[05:07] <halycon_> yeah
[05:07] <necronekostar> This works as of Lirc 8.0 using the lirc module: "lirc_atiusb"
[05:07] <necronekostar> You must disable the ati_remote module from loading.
[05:08] <necronekostar> lsmod | grep ati
[05:08] <necronekostar> find anything?
[05:08] <halycon_> yeah there is the lirc one
[05:08] <necronekostar> lirc_atiusb ?
[05:08] <halycon_> and there is one called ati_remote
[05:08] <halycon_> yeah
[05:09] <necronekostar> ok now open that lircd.conf with gedit or nano
[05:09] <necronekostar> and look at it and see if it looks like the one here or so
[05:09] <necronekostar> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder
[05:09] <halycon_> ok I pasted in the one from the lirc page
[05:09] <necronekostar> its about a third of the way down the page
[05:09] <necronekostar> ok
[05:09] <necronekostar> im gonna smoke
[05:10]  * AmyRose doesn't smoke
[05:10] <Oli``> anybody else here being having issues with gutsy's clock?
[05:11] <Arenlor> Oli`` no, what issue you having?
[05:11] <Oli``> oh... no no problem at all..
[05:12] <dsmith__> its 211 PM, Thursday Oct 18th, in Australia. I want Gutsy! lol..
[05:12] <Oli``> I did have a problem but that seems to have evaporated
[05:12] <Oli``> dsmith__: why not just force an update through apt?
[05:12] <dsmith__> ooops gutsy no more
[05:12] <dsmith__> i want the iso
[05:12] <Oli``> urgh update-manager, even
[05:13] <Arenlor> dsmith__ just wait until 03:14:08 UTC on 19 January 2038 and you won't have to care about that anymore
[05:14] <necronekostar> eh back
[05:14] <dsmith__> lol
[05:15] <necronekostar> Arenlor so care to elaborate a lil more?
[05:15] <dsmith__> Arenlor: why whats that date?
[05:15] <Arenlor> 03:14:08 UTC on 19 January 2038 is the overflow time, when at 32 bit processors will overflow and go back in time to 1900
[05:15] <necronekostar> oh
[05:15] <necronekostar> http://www.gsp.com/2038/
[05:15] <dsmith__> hah, they will have that figured out
[05:16] <Arenlor> 64 bit processors have it beat
[05:16] <dsmith__> someone told me that we will have 128-core cpus in 2010?
[05:16] <necronekostar> dsmith__ they always say stuff like that
[05:16] <necronekostar> we can only hope
[05:16] <halycon_> guys how do i disable modules in kubuntu?
[05:16] <halycon_> I cant find this hotplug thing
[05:16] <Arenlor> but the issue is that any C program or anything running Unix or POSIX will die
[05:17] <necronekostar> Arenlor sure
[05:17] <necronekostar> think we will still be using 32bit at that point?
[05:17] <necronekostar> thats way past any concievable eol
[05:18] <Arenlor> well the government's old computers and all the satelites will die
[05:19] <Arenlor> as in all the computers running the nuclear power plants
[05:19] <Arenlor> and the nuclear silos
[05:19] <Oli``> no 32bit will be dead by then as we'll all be used to terabytes of RAM
[05:19] <necronekostar> again end of life should hit before then
[05:19] <necronekostar> Oli`` yeah just to get a nice cli i bet windows '38 will need 65TB of hdd space
[05:19] <necronekostar> for full gui your looking @ PB
[05:19] <Oli``> rofl
[05:20] <Arenlor> I want a PB of HDD
[05:20] <Oli``> not that we'll be dealing in "bits" then... we should be into qubits
[05:21] <Arenlor> I think by then we'll have scrapped the whole system here in America and made up our own measurements
[05:21] <necronekostar> Arenlor no way
[05:21] <necronekostar> we'll just continue to refuse the met sys
[05:21] <necronekostar> posterity's sake and all that
[05:21] <martalli> Why have people been saying this channel is down?
[05:21] <Arenlor> it is
[05:21] <Oli``> yup
[05:22] <Oli``> new joins get redirected to #ubuntu
[05:22] <necronekostar> sux
[05:22] <necronekostar> and i really wanted to do a reinstall..................
[05:22] <necronekostar> how long should the redirect last?
[05:22] <Arenlor> this is an invite only version of #ubuntu-release-party
[05:23] <halycon_> hey necronekostar Thanks a ton for your help
[05:23] <Oli``> until the first heron alpha, I'd imagine
[05:23] <martalli> so does that mean we are the really hardcore gutsy pioneers?
[05:23] <mntnpngn> so...  everyone is just waiting?
[05:23] <necronekostar> halycon_ np
[05:23] <necronekostar> its what we do :D
[05:23] <halycon_> ;)
[05:23] <necronekostar> Oli`` ~_~
[05:23] <halycon_> now i just need to figure out why it doesnt boot ;)
[05:23] <halycon_> all the time
[05:24] <necronekostar> wish i had had warning... would have joined from server...........
[05:24] <Arenlor> the people in here are the people who don't need help, the people who needed help came in got help and left
[05:24] <Arenlor> so it's only the helpers left
[05:24] <necronekostar> yawell.... still
[05:24] <Arenlor> we can sit back and enjoy the wait in peace and harmony with each other and not being constantly asked "Are we there yet"
[05:25] <martalli> I'm sorry, I didn't help much this time around =(
[05:25] <mzuverink> Arenlor, amen!
[05:25] <necronekostar> http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=HS3MGWTMLSYXIQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=170704430
[05:25] <necronekostar> check that out for 128core action
[05:25] <martalli> I did submit a few bugs and contributed to conversation on launchpad, though
[05:26] <martalli> I think the 128 core architecture will be great for doctors like me.
[05:26] <martalli> Lots of programmers with migraines
[05:26] <Arenlor> we need to give it a new topic "Exclusive retreat of the Gutsy Gibbon Beta helpers"
[05:26] <mzuverink> I submitted a few myself, i wonder what % of those in #ubuntu-release-party have even visited launchpad?
[05:26] <necronekostar> mzuverink 3
[05:26] <Arenlor> I wonder how many know what launchpad is
[05:27] <mzuverink> rotfl
[05:27] <necronekostar> Arenlor 1
[05:27] <necronekostar> the conflicting two percent forgot after digesting pizza and beer
[05:27] <necronekostar> :D
[05:27] <nrdb> mzuverink: not me.
[05:28] <Arenlor> that works lol
[05:29] <Arenlor> anyone monitoring the insanity level in #ubuntu as they all get redirected there?
[05:30] <necronekostar> heh
[05:30] <necronekostar> trying not to
[05:30] <necronekostar> nice lil push in attendance tho
[05:30] <Arenlor> figured
[05:30] <necronekostar> ddos should be forthcoming
[05:31] <Arenlor> lol they need to make a channel called /dev/null to redirect people to
[05:31] <underwatercow> lol
[05:31] <martalli> I think I can give props to my KDE folks - kubuntu has not gone mad yet
[05:31] <martalli> s/kubuntu/#kubuntu
[05:32] <Arenlor> martalli that's like saying that you give props to Apple computers for not having many viruses
[05:32] <martalli> I would say we are simply level headed, or that we all apt-egtted to gutsy...but maybe there are just less of us
[05:32] <underwatercow> how long does the redirect last?
[05:33] <Arenlor> until Hardy Heron Alpha likely
[05:33] <martalli> It was something like 6 weeks before the first alpha gibbon came out
[05:33] <martalli> maybe 8 weeks
[05:34] <crdlb> this channel opened well before the first alpha of gutsy
[05:34] <Arenlor> yeah, it'll probably be open in 2-3 weeks if not sooner
[05:35] <Arenlor> they just want to make sure all upgraders are being sent there for now since that's the support
[05:35] <dsmith__> #ubuntu, is nutz
[05:35] <Arenlor> really?
[05:35] <dsmith__> going fast on the messages
[05:36] <AmyRose> Kubuntu > Ubuntu
[05:36] <necronekostar> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/17/vista-memory-problem
[05:36] <dsmith__> heh
[05:37] <dsmith__> should be greater then or equal to, :P
[05:38] <necronekostar> The kicker is that despite Vole knowing about the problem for months it is not going to be fixed in SP1. Vole is currently offering a hotfix for the problem but you have to ask it nicely.
[05:38] <Arenlor> M$ < abacus anyone disagree?
[05:38] <necronekostar> :>>>>
[05:39] <dsmith__> lol
[05:39] <dsmith__> M$ is Kaput!
[05:39] <necronekostar> dsmith__ read that artical so awesome...
[05:39] <necronekostar> dsmith__ no such luck yet
[05:39] <necronekostar> nor do i personally want them to die
[05:39] <necronekostar> its competition that makes it great -
[05:39] <dsmith__> i read that last night
[05:39] <necronekostar> tho we could use a little less.. or they a little more.. dsmith__ o:
[05:40] <Arenlor> oh God if they die, the number of people that'll be here asking if it's out yet with Hardy Heron T_T
[05:40] <necronekostar> bah theve not even hit 1400 in chan there
[05:40] <necronekostar> still not like a pro irc chan via really popular anime release
[05:40] <necronekostar> call me when it hits 3k
[05:41] <necronekostar> try being an op in that mess....
[05:42] <Arenlor> necronekostar if it ever hits 3k here I'll ask to be OPed then I'll write a script that /kick * every minute
[05:42] <mzuverink> yeah, poor tonyy...
[05:42] <necronekostar> Arenlor bah
[05:42] <dsmith__> omg #ubuntu-release-party is nutz
[05:42] <necronekostar> dsmith__ did you read the live free and dvd hard artical?
[05:43] <dsmith__> for which?
[05:43] <Arenlor> if anyone complains I'll just say that I'm simulating IRC on a Vista server
[05:43] <necronekostar> they should just forward #*ubuntu* to #ubuntu
[05:43] <necronekostar> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/17/live-free-dvd-hard
[05:43] <necronekostar> heh great comments on drm
[05:43] <necronekostar> Arenlor even vista isnt that bad
[05:44] <dsmith__> hmmmmm, i don;t care I rip on linux
[05:44] <Arenlor> necronekostar I know, but I'm sure n00bs would believe me and hate M$ for it
[05:44] <necronekostar> lol
[05:44] <dsmith__> Rip, Rip away!
[05:44] <necronekostar> dsmith__ sure.... just pointing out that your not gonna be the only one ripping for fair use :P
[05:45] <DeepB> hi, is this the channel for release of OS X Leopard 10.5? :P
[05:45] <DeepB> :)
[05:45] <dsmith__> aye
[05:45] <necronekostar> DeepB yup
[05:45] <dsmith__> lol os X?
[05:45] <Arenlor> actually, if you rip, the RIAA and MIAA will sue you because they don't care about fair use
[05:45] <necronekostar> hackintoshonubuntu+2
[05:46] <necronekostar> Arenlor their welcome to sue me
[05:46] <necronekostar> i'll show up in court with the hex key on my t-shirt
[05:46] <necronekostar> :P
[05:46] <dsmith__> nuke the riaa, mpaa fro orbit, its the only way to be sure
[05:46] <Arenlor> I'm living proof that the FBI doesn't monitor torrents lol
[05:46] <dsmith__> lol
[05:47] <necronekostar> Arenlor lol
[05:47] <necronekostar> not completely so - they are just second comers to the game
[05:47] <necronekostar> or rather while your techinically correct, they dont tend to get into the game till alerted by someone or other
[05:48] <Arenlor> !monogamy
[05:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monogamy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:48] <Arenlor> ubotu is a bad example for children
[05:48] <necronekostar> heh
[05:49] <necronekostar> as is monogamy
[05:49] <necronekostar> that is a VERY BAD THING.
[05:49] <necronekostar> and is in part responsable for windows
[05:49] <Arenlor> you're thinking of monopoly
[05:49] <Arenlor> !monopoly
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monopoly - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <necronekostar> mm no
[05:49] <dsmith__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20071016/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[05:49] <Oli``> !vista
[05:49] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[05:49] <necronekostar> thats responsable for all the ppl in jail via weed
[05:49] <Arenlor> !weed
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about weed - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <necronekostar> "but i swear i got $200 officer, cant i just pass go???"
[05:50] <necronekostar> !marijuana
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about marijuana - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <necronekostar> !cannibus
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cannibus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <Arenlor> !illegal-torrents
[05:50] <necronekostar> !cantgetonthebus
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cantgetonthebus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <necronekostar> !factoid
[05:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:50] <necronekostar> o:
[05:50] <crdlb> !botabuse
[05:50] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:50] <necronekostar> !crdlb
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crdlb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <necronekostar> [ok ok ok im done sorry]
[05:50] <silent> !the drugs under my bed
[05:51] <silent> bah
[05:51] <Arenlor> !neko
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about neko - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <dsmith__> illegal torrents?
[05:51] <Arenlor> had to see if it'd say anything
[05:51] <necronekostar> lol
[05:51] <Arenlor> !FBI
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fbi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <necronekostar> you could have just checked the factoids...
[05:51] <Arenlor> !Gutsy Release Time
[05:52] <Arenlor> nice it msg'd me saying it's not intelligent when I asked it that one
[05:52] <necronekostar> lol
[05:53] <Doctor_Nick> !IMCHARGINMAHLAZAH
[05:53] <Arenlor> !Ubuntu
[05:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[05:53] <Oli``> I wonder what the professional support is like...
[05:53] <Arenlor> now I actually have something to work with for my speech
[05:53] <Doctor_Nick> so basically everyone is fucking around until gutsy comes out
[05:53] <Arenlor> Oli``:  this is the professional support
[05:54] <Arenlor> Doctor_Nick, no go to #ubuntu
[05:54] <Oli``> Doctor_Nick: some people seem to be trying to get things fixed in #ubuntu but they're not having much love getting things answered
[05:55] <Arenlor> in here we are all the people who don't need anything fixed are were in here helping people before it got locked up and forwarded, so it's an exclusive retreat for us weary support souls
[05:55] <dorkface> And it's not even the 18th yet! ;)
[05:55] <Oli``> That's not entirely true... I could really do with my RAID5 working but I'm fairly sure that's a bug with dmraid, not ubuntu
[05:57] <Arenlor> !The Drugs Officer
[05:57] <Arenlor> drats it just gave me the not intelligent msg again
[05:58] <dorkface> !tftp
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tftp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <Arenlor> !dmraid
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmraid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <Arenlor> !raid
[05:58] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:59] <Arenlor> I wonder just how good a bot ubotu is
[06:00] <necronekostar> !ubuntu
[06:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[06:00] <necronekostar> seems pretty good to me
[06:00]  * necronekostar pets ubotu
[06:00] <Arenlor> !beer
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <Arenlor> !pizza
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pizza - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <Arenlor> !dance
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dance - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <Arenlor> see bad bot
[06:01] <Arenlor> !bad bot
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bad bot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <crdlb> please leave the bot alone already
[06:02] <Arenlor> but playing with it is fun
[06:04]  * necronekostar pats Arenlor
[06:04] <necronekostar> he did provide a chan for that...
[06:04] <dorkface> Anybody else having trouble with sound in gutsy?
[06:04] <Arenlor> nope
[06:05] <Arenlor> what type of trouble you having?
[06:08] <dorkface> This i guess
[06:08] <dorkface> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:08] <dorkface> doh
[06:08] <dorkface><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:08] <dorkface> trying to figure out what the heck he is saying
[06:09] <Arenlor> he's saying when you install it you need to delete the old driver first
[06:09] <dorkface> well, its already installed, hehe
[06:10] <Arenlor> did you delete the old one?
[06:10] <dorkface> modprobe -r, right?
[06:10] <Arenlor> no rm
[06:12] <Arenlor> rm /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[06:13] <Arenlor> then after that you need to reboot and redo the sudo make install
[06:14] <dorkface> bur first download that file from the ftp, right?
[06:14] <dorkface> *but
[06:14] <dorkface> or was that unecessary:?
[06:14] <Arenlor> yes download that file, rm the file I said, then install from that file he said to install from
[06:14] <cafuego> Why would you delete that file?
[06:15] <cafuego> Can't you copy over the top?
[06:15] <Arenlor> it's reported in there it causes problems if you copy
[06:15] <cafuego> Not the same filename?
[06:16] <cafuego> Then the original should be backlisted
[06:16] <Arenlor> same filename
[06:16] <Arenlor> it installs the stuff into a new directory
[06:16] <dorkface> the ftp link isn't working, even though I copied and pasted the URL in its entirety
[06:16] <cafuego> Oh, I see.
[06:17] <Arenlor> it worked for me
[06:17] <Arenlor> ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.15rc3.tar.bz2
[06:18] <Arenlor> though I would just wget it
[06:19] <dsmith__> I thought that was a gutsy link..
[06:19] <dsmith__> damn
[06:20] <Arenlor> dsmith__ do you have the Beta yet?
[06:20] <dsmith__> yea
[06:20] <dsmith__> but I have some machines I want to test the final on in the AM
[06:20] <Arenlor> ah
[06:20] <dsmith__> desktops and laptops
[06:20] <Arenlor> my hourly check just turned up negative
[06:21] <dorkface> Hah, for the first time, konquerer was awesome for me
[06:21] <dsmith__> how's that
[06:21] <dorkface> It got the ftp file where firefox and wget would
[06:21] <dorkface> wouldn't*
[06:21] <dsmith__> ahhhhhh
[06:22] <Arenlor> weird I wonder why
[06:22] <dsmith__> u se firefox with downthemall add-on
[06:22] <dsmith__> I use..
[06:22] <Arenlor> I have fireftp, never have a problem with FTP files
[06:22] <dorkface> firefox gave me a 550 "failed to change the directory" error
[06:22] <dsmith__> or kget
[06:25] <dorkface> ok, I just removed the file, now reboot and type in "sudo make install"?
[06:26] <Arenlor> have you ever compiled anything from source before dorkface?
[06:26] <dorkface> nope\
[06:29] <Arenlor> ok once you reboot go to the directory where you unpacked the ftp file in a terminal (cd /home/username/Desktop/alsa-driver-1.0.15rc3) since you most likely unpacked it onto your desktop then while there in the terminal run "./configure && make && sudo make install"
[06:30] <dorkface> hehe, how do you unpack from command line?
[06:31] <dorkface> I don't fiddle with tar files as much as I should
[06:32] <Arenlor> it's a tar.bz2 so I'm not sure, you could just right-click and "extract here" with any lick
[06:32] <Arenlor> *luck
[06:33] <dorkface> sweet
[06:34] <dorkface> Knotes is nice for this
[06:34] <dorkface> well, rebooting I go
[06:36] <Arenlor> I hope he doesn't need any further help
[06:39] <Zambezi> Part now since Gutsy is released today.
[06:45] <hylje> so gutsy is live now?
[06:45] <rsk> hylje: dont think so
[06:47] <Arenlor> nope not yet
[06:50] <effie_jayx> how's Compiz on ati card's
[06:50] <effie_jayx> is it worth a try?
[06:50] <rsk> hard to try? :P
[06:50] <Arenlor> yes
[06:50] <rsk> it's on by default
[06:51] <rsk> with a few exceptions
[06:51] <rsk> some aticards are blacklisted afaik.
[06:51] <effie_jayx> rsk,  I have a radeon xpress 200x
[06:51] <Arenlor> It runs awesome just make sure you have the drivers and xserver-xgl installed
[06:51] <Arenlor> it should work
[06:51] <rsk> yes it should
[06:51] <rsk> :)
[06:51] <effie_jayx> Arenlor,  do I need to create a separate xgl session entry ?
[06:52] <Arenlor> no actually do not use xgl sessions
[06:53] <Arenlor> xgl is on by default
[06:54] <RAOF> Or, rather, when you install Xgl it does the necessary voodoo to set it up.
[06:54] <Arenlor> and also install compizconfig-settings-manager and you can customize it
[06:54] <Arenlor> RAOF no
[06:54] <Arenlor> it's on by default
[06:54] <RAOF> Arenlor: Only if you've got it installed :)
[06:54] <Arenlor> you don't use xgl sessions
[06:54] <Arenlor> yes but try to use an xgl session and anything can happen
[06:54] <RAOF> That's true.  You don't use Xgl sessions, 'cause Xgl won't run under Xgl :)
[06:55] <Arenlor> I've seen just today panels not appear, the cube being a pancake, windows with 76 pt fonts etc just from that simple mistake
[06:57] <effie_jayx> Cool then
[06:57] <effie_jayx> I'm giving it a swing
[06:57] <Arenlor> I'm running an ATI Radeon myself
[07:04] <Arenlor> time for me to /part
[07:29] <prakriti> happy gutsy day
[07:29]  * nanonyme hugs prakriti
[07:29] <nanonyme> happy gutsy day to you too :)
[07:30] <nanonyme> is it released already?
[07:30] <prakriti> doubt it
[07:30] <nanonyme> heh
[07:31] <nanonyme> so we're not a hardy channel yet ^^
[07:31] <nanonyme> oh, we are? :o
[07:31] <nanonyme> ah, just read the topic
[07:31] <prakriti>  "is it out yet" questions belong in #ubuntu-release-party.
[07:31] <prakriti> yar
[07:31] <prakriti> moving
[07:33] <macogw> and the answer is no
[07:34] <macogw> wait woah the topic says it is...but #ubuntu-release-party says it's not
[07:34] <assasukasse> hi everyone, after installing to gutsy my screen doesn't go to standby anymore
[07:34] <assasukasse> is there something i can look into?
[07:47] <mntnpngn> so..  anyone still here?
[07:49] <enyc> mntnpngn: bayxe
[07:50] <enyc> mntnpngn: maybe even
[07:51] <mntnpngn> oh?
[08:40] <PecisDarbs> hi people, which app I should install to change cursor themes in GNOME?
[08:46] <cafuego> PecisDarbs: nothing; jUse Settings > Mouse > Pointers
[08:47] <PecisDarbs> cafuego: I don't have such thing
[08:48] <cafuego> System > Preferences > Mouse
[08:48] <cafuego> Part of the normal control panels
[08:48] <PecisDarbs> cafuego: I have few days old Gutsy and there is no such thing in this caplet
[08:48] <PecisDarbs> I know
[08:48] <cafuego> Oh, gutsy... dunno, not running it yet.
[08:50] <necronekostar> PecisDarbs system>pref>appearance>theme>customize>pointers
[08:52] <PecisDarbs> ahhhh
[08:52] <PecisDarbs> finally
[08:52] <PecisDarbs> thanks
[08:52] <PecisDarbs> a little bit too deep, though
[08:55] <necronekostar> agreed - should be a direct linky to it somewhere... but theres not :P
[09:05] <bXi> is the name for gutsy+1 known already?
[09:05] <elmargol> hardy
[09:12] <mntnpngn> so..  I guess it's not out yet...
[09:12] <mntnpngn> hehe
[09:12] <mntnpngn> sorry
[09:27] <nrdb> things are slowing down here.
[09:45] <d1n0> are there no big updates in the final release today?
[10:04] <avatar_> no
[10:05] <avatar_> final iso's are already finished
[10:12] <avatar_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10
[10:12] <avatar_> there it is :)
[10:15] <stdin> it's not out yet...
[10:29] <Necrosan_> If I it clearly is
[10:45] <varka> test
[10:56] <Oli``> Boo.
[10:56] <Oli``> There was me hoping there would be one last update over apt before the images came out.
[13:16] <avatar_> upgraden!
[14:26] <addos> is there anyway to encrypt the harddrive from gutsy livecd installer?
[14:40] <Seveas> addos, gutsy support in #ubuntu, it's released!
[14:40]  * Pici prepares for 'the purge'
[14:43] <rob> purge it purge it!
[14:44] <avatar_> time to try hardy
[14:44]  * Dave2 doesn't want to be purged :(
[14:49] <LiMaO> it was so good to be here with you all =P
[14:49] <LiMaO> the time to 'say goodbye' is so difficult =~
[14:49] <LiMaO> lol
[14:53] <LjL> want some help? :)
[14:54] <LiMaO> me?
[14:54] <LiMaO> i was here to help others =P
[15:10] <LjL> i meant help saying goodbye, but nevermind :P
[15:12] <LiMaO> oh no no.. i don't want any help with that.. don't throw me outta here =P
[15:25] <Instabin|Work> When is the fist hardy suposed to be released.
[15:25]  * Instabin|Work trys hard to stay with topic
[15:27]  * Instabin|Work thinks the topic should have a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[15:30] <Instabin|Work> no one to talk to in here now...
[15:31] <Spec> yay, let's talk about a non existant os!
[15:35] <LiMaO> Spec: you can tell us what you want it to have =P
[15:36] <Spec> we need an ubuntu business edition, that is, an edition geared towards small retail businesses. comes with point of sales software, barcode software, asterisk with a nice gui config, etc...
[15:37] <LiMaO> that would give a nice fork of ubuntu
[15:37] <LiMaO> Bubunto
[15:37] <LiMaO> hehe
[15:37] <Spec> it'd be a humerous name, just because it's called 'business edition' and would still be free.
[15:38] <hylje> nah, charge a lot for it so middle management thinks it must be good
[15:39] <LiMaO> so 8.04 will be an LTS version
[15:39] <LiMaO> ?
[15:40] <Spec> hylje: it can be free, and i can charge a lot for it. at the same time.
[15:40] <Spec> yes
[15:40] <Spec> but a business edition (small business edition!) wouldn't be geared towards middle management
[15:40] <Spec> it'd be geared as a replacement for POS / accounting systems that small stores pay lots for
[15:41] <Spec> and if it's really good maybe the local governments will distribute it with their small business startup packages.
[15:42] <Lynoure> hylje: one can charge for ubuntu installations even now
[15:43] <Lynoure> no need to fork anything for that.
[15:44] <Lynoure> Many if not most POS are already Linux based
[15:45] <Lynoure> yey :)
[16:10] <Reaby> have anybody thought making update manager and / or apt-get use bittorrent.. when you download you also seed material and when ready seeding stops. could help 8.04 downloads and upgrades very much.
[16:11] <DeepB> yes, apt-torrent http://sianka.free.fr/
[16:12] <Reaby> it's only for debian
[16:13] <Reaby> and i think it has no userbase what so ever, if it doesn't ship with debian
[16:16] <Reaby> imagine if ubuntu could use apt-torrent for updates
[16:16] <Reaby> release day would be much easier for server load
[16:24] <Reaby> then donating to OSS could be easy, as you could check for seeding 24/7 updates
[16:25] <Reaby> with limiter ofc
[16:26] <Reaby> say i want to donate 10kb/sek
[16:26] <Reaby> damn that could be cool.
[16:26] <Spec> you could just seed ISOs
[16:30] <Reaby> hmm.. true.
[16:41] <Solarion_> what is the ubuntu equivalent of smolt?
[16:45] <coNP[uni]> What is smolt, Solarion_ ?
[16:46] <Solarion> https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt/
[16:47] <Solarion> 'Smolt is a basic hardware profiler. Its intended to be a profiler to get automated information from users.'
[16:50] <DeepB> Solarion: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/
[16:54] <DeepB> Solarion: sudo apt-get install hwdb-client
[17:22] <dryrot> where are the hot gutsy iso torrents ?
[17:23] <BlueAidan_work> the upgrade process from the kubuntu rc to release isn't working. It throws an error about libportaudio0 being unsupported now, then says there are no upgrades available and the distro upgrade process is canceled.
[17:30] <LiMaO> hey people, join #ubuntu-release-party or even #ubuntu for help with gutsy
[17:30] <LiMaO> this channel doesn't provide support to gutsy anymore (as it was released), only to the next ubuntu version
[17:44] <Eq|work> BlueAidan_work : it shouldn't be a distro upgrade.. merely a normal upgrade...
[17:45]  * BlueAidan_work meant clicking the "Version Upgrade" button
[19:25] <AlienX_> does anyone happen to know exactly how many packages are available in the gutsy repositories?
[19:26] <AlienX_> i'm trying to be able to quantify this and i can't seem to find anything
[19:26] <dryrot> AlienX_: i dont know but i can tell you that there are 1262 packages on the gutsy install cd
[19:27] <AlienX_> dryrot: that's a good start. Thank you!
[19:58] <DeepB> AlienX_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[19:59] <Pici> DeepB: good thinking
[20:46] <sorbix> i did an early update, but nhow come i dont have any update notifications right now?  should i have some since it was released?
[21:09] <LjL> sorbix: uhm... no?
[21:22] <sorbix> LjL, ok thanks :)  my update went a little weird so i thought something might be messed up