[00:10] <daftykins> the age old conundrum, buy online for better warranty, or source locally and do the job sooner!
[00:12] <ging> what can you get sooner at 10 past midnight?
[00:12] <ging> other than pizza
[00:12] <daftykins> not really delivery pizza over here, as it goes
[00:13] <daftykins> but nah it'd be the morning, a new basic ADSL2 router and possibly a small switch for someone
[00:16] <penguin42> why would you get a better warranty online?
[00:16] <daftykins> 12 month on the netgear in the local shop my ex-student showed me, 3 year on a cheap tp-link online
[00:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[00:19] <daftykins> heya \o
[00:25] <czajkowski> daftykins: howdy
[00:58] <daftykins> ah sleep beckons
[00:59] <daftykins> cycling places in winter is murder, it's blowing 40mph outdoors right now
[00:59] <penguin42> that'll be storm Frank
[01:01] <daftykins> how dare he!
[01:02] <daftykins> tomorrow might be a day to stay home
[01:02] <daftykins> yep 50mph winds all day
[01:02] <zmoylan-pi> and hope home doesn't relocate...
[01:06] <daftykins> :>
[01:43] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Filmed-Supermarionation-This-Blu-ray/dp/B00NP0N1LC
[01:43] <daftykins> ooh i had forgotten about this special documentary and set of restored episodes of old Anderson greats like Thunderbirds etc.
[02:27] <daftykins> nn all \o
[02:27] <penguin42> nn
[06:32] <knightwise> morning
[06:37] <mapps> hi;]
[06:38] <mapps> sup
[09:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[17:58] <p42phone> The northern rail ticket machines at Manc Victoria ate my cc card, lookout they had the service guy in site to extract it, very odd reader design that swallows the card v and hopefully gives it back
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> public card readers probably get a lot of drunken abuse over crimbo like photocopiers in 80s and 90s did at parties
[18:18] <p42phone> This one is inside a busy station, so probably nothing too messy, but I think I it's just a bad design, very few readers take the whole card inside.
[19:32] <mapps> ya norally partial
[19:32] <mapps> ones for virgin just take a tiny part
[19:33] <penguin42> mapps: Right
[19:34] <penguin42> mapps: This one has a hyperadvanced feedy thing that takes the whole card in and thinks about it, then when it tries to eject it if the card isn't quite flat it gets it caught on the slot
[19:34] <mapps> my debit card sometimes doesnt work with wireless here at morrisons..how odd is that
[19:34] <mapps> oneday works.next doesnt
[19:36] <penguin42> oh I don't do wireless
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> were you, members of staff, other customers wearing tin foil hat?


[22:55] <ochosi> !team | reminder - team meeting in 5!
[22:56] <JackFrost> Wait what?
[22:56] <kryten> Same here.. :3
[22:59] <bluesabre> Firing up my laptop now
[22:59] <JackFrost> pleia2: Hello!  We've got an 'unsubscribe' message pending in queue, can you just go ahead and ubsub the email address?
[23:00] <JackFrost> If you use listadmin, listadmin --remove-member #EMAIL<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should do.
[23:01] <ochosi> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[23:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jan 10 23:01:28 2020 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[23:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[23:01] <ochosi> #chair JackFrost
[23:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost ochosi
[23:01] <ochosi> #chair bluesabre
[23:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre ochosi
[23:01] <bluesabre> o/
[23:02] <ochosi> hi and welcome everyone!
[23:02] <ochosi> #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[23:02] <ochosi> #topic Open action items
[23:02] <ochosi> we carried over nothing from the last meeting
[23:03] <ochosi> and since nobody added any AIs since then i guess we have none..?
[23:03] <bluesabre> I think a lot of folks didn't know about the meeting
[23:03] <bluesabre> I saw a mention of it, and it was on the calendar :D
[23:03] <ochosi> tonight?
[23:03] <ochosi> i sent out the usual mail and put it on the calendar
[23:03] <ochosi> and on the wiki page
[23:04] <JackFrost> Yep, I didn't.  So I guess now might be a good time to ask what 4.15 has in store for us, or specifically, what we're going to do with it.
[23:04] <bluesabre> I feel like I didn't see the mail
[23:04] <ochosi> hmm
[23:04] <bluesabre> Anyhoo, we're here now :D
[23:04] <JackFrost> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-January/thread.html ?
[23:04] <ochosi> wtf
[23:05] <ochosi> https://imgur.com/0b5Vigf.png
[23:05] <ochosi> i didn't receive a rejection mail or anything
[23:05] <ochosi> and i didn't check the archive, because... why would i?
[23:05] <ochosi> :/
[23:06] <bluesabre> lol
[23:06] <ochosi> soooorry (i guess)
[23:06] <bluesabre> Not you, or us, so all good
[23:06] <ochosi> but i'm happy i managed to schedule a time/day that works :D
[23:06] <ochosi> so yeah, let's skip ahead and talk about 4.16
[23:06] <ochosi> or 4.15
[23:06] <ochosi> #topic Updates and announcements
[23:07] <JackFrost> (I also didn't discard your mail from the list!)
[23:07] <ochosi> #info Xfce 4.15 is progressing well and there are a few more releases around the corner
[23:08] <ochosi> since 4.16 will switch to client side decorations for XfceTitledDialog that begs the question whether we go s/mate/gnome in our application set (evince,..)
[23:08] <ochosi> also, gtk-dialog-use-header will be enabled by default upstream
[23:08] <bluesabre> #info The new dark theme, Greybird-dark was just released
[23:08] <ochosi> which means all GtkDialog based windows should use CSD
[23:08] <bluesabre> Working on getting that packaged :)
[23:09] <ochosi> cool
[23:09] <ochosi> so regarding what we're going to do with 4.15, i'd slap it into a PPA for testing
[23:09] <ochosi> and then think about it again once 20.04 is released
[23:10] <ochosi> if you want a sneak preview (ahead of my upcoming blog post about this), here's the xfce settings manager in the new layout: https://imgur.com/sj98Abn.png
[23:11] <ochosi> so visually it's not a big departure
[23:11] <ochosi> or a standalone config dialog: https://imgur.com/5nRhS6H.png
[23:12] <ochosi> JackFrost: does that answer your question?
[23:13] <JackFrost> Well not really, I'd guess the specific question is ppa:xubuntu-dev/experimental ?
[23:13] <ochosi> yeah, i guess so
[23:13] <bluesabre> Sure, I think that's fine
[23:13] <JackFrost> OK, I'll only be picking them up as they hit Debian experimental this time.
[23:14] <bluesabre> Makes sense :)
[23:14] <ochosi> does debian experimental pick up devel releases?
[23:14] <ochosi> (sry, i'm rather ignorant there)
[23:15] <JackFrost> Depends on if corsac feels like it, but usually yeah.
[23:15] <bluesabre> Other news from the theming perspective, the Yaru folks might have a surprise for us soon (nothing more to say about that for now)
[23:15] <ochosi> enigmatic
[23:16] <bluesabre> Saw a 4.15 thing get uploaded to debian the other day
[23:16] <ochosi> is it good, bad or ugly? (the surprise)
[23:16] <bluesabre> Good
[23:16] <bluesabre> :)
[23:16]  * ochosi keeps his fingers crossed
[23:16] <JackFrost> ...What I'd think of as 'good' or what everyone else does? :P
[23:16] <bluesabre> Well
[23:16] <ochosi> :'D
[23:16] <bluesabre> That remains to be seen
[23:16] <bluesabre> ;)
[23:17] <ochosi> okok, i'll stop biting my nails and we can move on
[23:17] <ochosi> unless you want to know more regarding 4.15
[23:17] <JackFrost> Nope.
[23:17] <ochosi> k
[23:17] <bluesabre> Got anything planned for 4.14.x?
[23:17] <ochosi> yeah
[23:18] <ochosi> that's what i would move on to
[23:18] <ochosi> #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning
[23:18] <JackFrost> gtk-dialog-use-header doesn't really look like a user setting, but glade or whatnot, right?
[23:18] <ochosi> it's a user setting
[23:18] <ochosi> you can try with xfconf-query if you want
[23:19] <ochosi> (i can paste the command)
[23:19] <JackFrost> AH, fantastic.  Thanks.  I'll :x now.
[23:19] <ochosi> it'll be part of my blog post ;)
[23:19] <bluesabre> :)
[23:20] <ochosi> the only agenda item i added could go here or into discussion
[23:20] <ochosi> it's about checking up on 4.14.x releases
[23:21] <ochosi> so i would suggest we spend a few minutes to go around the most important components and see if we want a point release :)
[23:21] <bluesabre> :)
[23:21] <ochosi> and then info it
[23:21] <bluesabre> I think xfce4-settings has a few fixes waiting in it
[23:21] <ochosi> #info xfce4-panel 4.14.2 shall be released shortly
[23:22] <bluesabre> And xfce4-taskmanager drops the stuck floating legend, fixing one of our lp bugs
[23:22] <ochosi> #info xfce4-settings 4.14.2 shall be released shortly
[23:23] <bluesabre> xfce4-weather-plugin has some bugs I'm aware of that I need to fix and release
[23:23] <ochosi> #info xfdesktop 4.14.2 shall be released shortly
[23:23] <ochosi> (some of those means we need to bug others, other releases can be done by me or sean)
[23:23] <bluesabre> xfce4-screensaver has a few newly reported bugs with patches
[23:23] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:24] <ochosi> #info xfce4-session 4.14.1 shall be released shortly
[23:24] <bluesabre> nice
[23:25] <ochosi> so there are quite a few
[23:25] <bluesabre> JackFrost: aware of any critical releases?
[23:25] <ochosi> even though the powermanager has only commit, it's a nice one
[23:25] <JackFrost> Nope.
[23:26] <bluesabre> Got another catfish release I'll hopefully land this weekend
[23:26] <bluesabre> We might also need to revisit our docs a bit this cycle
[23:27] <bluesabre> Oh
[23:27] <ochosi> i thnk that's about it from the core components
[23:27] <bluesabre> And the wallpaper contest
[23:27] <bluesabre> Sorry, brain dumping :)
[23:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, can't think of others that have anything major pending
[23:28] <ochosi> docs and wallpaper contest are both fine, but i have to admit i probably won't have time for either
[23:28] <ochosi> i mean helping with the selection, yes, that's just one session
[23:28] <ochosi> but setting it all up and communicating it, probably not
[23:28] <bluesabre> Once I have a handle of the requirements, I'll put a schedule together
[23:29] <ochosi> k
[23:30] <ochosi> anything else you would like to discuss in planning?
[23:30] <bluesabre> xubuntu-wise, I think that's all I have
[23:31] <ochosi> k, same here
[23:31] <ochosi> #topic Discussion
[23:32] <bluesabre> hi
[23:32] <bluesabre> :)
[23:32] <ochosi> :)
[23:32] <bluesabre> So, we should probably look at the release schedule
[23:33] <ochosi> we had one point we may carry over from last time, which is announcing that we need people to work on our website (since knome isn't around a lot)
[23:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: wanna take an action item?
[23:33] <ochosi> :>
[23:33] <bluesabre> Sure
[23:33] <ochosi> and yeah, then let's look at the schedule
[23:34] <ochosi> #action bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress)
[23:34] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress)
[23:34] <bluesabre> Release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[23:35] <bluesabre> Feature freeze at the end of February
[23:35] <ochosi> 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze
[23:35] <bluesabre> We're not doing too bad for time :)
[23:35] <ochosi> seems like the next relevant date
[23:35] <ochosi> since we're not really planning any new features so far, i guess UI freeze may be more relevant even
[23:36] <ochosi> 3/19 - User Interface Freeze
[23:36] <bluesabre> Xfce 4.14 has been pleasantly stable, so there's not a lot of things to worry about adding or fixing
[23:36] <ochosi> indeed
[23:36] <bluesabre> Unless there's tons of broken stuff and nobody's reporting bugs
[23:36] <ochosi> :D
[23:36] <bluesabre> Definitely possible.
[23:36] <ochosi> some people are reporting bugs, and i actually fix some of them every once in a while
[23:37] <ochosi> the good thing is most of them also affect 4.15 so i have extra motivation to fix them anyway
[23:37] <bluesabre> good dev ochosi
[23:37] <ochosi> we're in a much better place than with 4.12
[23:37] <ochosi> the porting made bug fixing for older releases totally unpleasant
[23:37] <ochosi> and also felt more like a waste of time
[23:38] <bluesabre> What's the package that we use for the color profiles? Has it been updated for focal?
[23:38] <ochosi> ah
[23:38] <ochosi> i think so
[23:38] <ochosi> i think i even asked JackFrost to put it in a PPA for me and i tested it
[23:38] <ochosi> the main issue with it is gone (100%cpu and multiple daemons spawned)
[23:38] <JackFrost> But did you close the resulting bug? ;)
[23:39] <ochosi> i thought you did :p
[23:39] <ochosi> i can take a look...
[23:39] <bluesabre> #chair kryten
[23:39] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi
[23:39] <kryten> <3
[23:39] <franksmcb> I'm sorry to interrupt the flow. I've done a bunch of ISO testing without any issues presenting themselves.
[23:39] <pleia2> thanks franksmcb :)
[23:39] <bluesabre> hey franksmcb!
[23:39] <JackFrost> LP 1845800
[23:39] <bluesabre> Thanks for the testing :)
[23:40] <franksmcb> Howdy bluesabre
[23:40] <franksmcb> No worries, if there is something specific you want tested for please reach out
[23:40] <ochosi> #chair pleia
[23:40] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: pleia
[23:40] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia
[23:41] <ochosi> #chair pleia2
[23:41] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia pleia2
[23:41] <ochosi> JackFrost: closed it now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xiccd/+bug/1845800
[23:41] <bluesabre> franksmcb: definitely, will do
[23:41] <ochosi> we can link that to our roadmap actually
[23:43] <ochosi> didn't we once vote on installing a color emoji font? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1766976
[23:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, didn't get enough votes for a decision iirc
[23:44] <ochosi> oh wow, only 2 people voted..?
[23:45] <ochosi> no, 5
[23:45] <ochosi> isnt 5 enough?
[23:47] <bluesabre> Not sure, internet connection really bad right now
[23:47] <bluesabre> Might have been 10 members at that time
[23:47] <JackFrost> With regards to post-20.04, we'll have to look for project leads again. :P
[23:48] <ochosi> do we need a new council?
[23:48] <JackFrost> We will post-20.04
[23:48] <ochosi> right
[23:48] <ochosi> good to know
[23:50] <bluesabre> Maybe we'll have some new faces apply :)
[23:51] <ochosi> that'd be nice
[23:52] <JackFrost> Seems like nothing else?
[23:53] <ochosi> yup
[23:53] <ochosi> i'm done
[23:54] <ochosi> i'd move on to doing those xfce releases i mentioned earlier...
[23:54] <bluesabre> :)
[23:54] <bluesabre> I have nothing else
[23:54] <bluesabre> kryten, pleia2?
[23:54] <ochosi> franksmcb?
[23:54] <pleia2> nothing from me
[23:54] <kryten> Noope!
[23:55] <ochosi> #action JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting
[23:55] <meetingology> ACTION: JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting
[23:55] <bluesabre> Easy to escape with a nick change ;)
[23:56] <ochosi> #endmeeting
[23:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Jan 10 23:56:20 2020 UTC.
[23:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-01-10-23.01.moin.txt
[23:56] <ochosi> indeed
[23:56] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[23:56] <bluesabre> bbl
[23:56] <ochosi> yw and sorry again for messing up the announcement...
[23:57] <pleia2> sorry for being late, I'm in Australia this week and time is confusing
[23:58] <JackFrost> Haha. :D
[23:58] <pleia2> :)
[23:58] <ochosi> ok, minutes are up
[23:58] <ochosi> pleia2: i hope you're ok with all the fires and stuff..
[23:58] <pleia2> yeah, I just got in yesterday and I'm up in Brisbane, no fires here


[22:34] <jackpot51> Is oem-config supported on Ubuntu GNOME 17.04?
[22:52] <jbicha> jackpot51: I know nothing about oem-config but why wouldn't oem-config be supported there?


[00:29] <Blacklist> is possible look video in realplayer for linux ?
[00:33] <micahg> Blacklist: have you tried mplayer?
[00:51] <Blacklist> yes
[00:53] <Blacklist> but i want one player for my transfer music inside my samsung tab 7.0
[09:24] <Noskcaj> is bug 1085825 an actual bug?
[18:15] <searching> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.2)
[18:21] <holstein> searching: is that something you'd like help with
[18:21] <holstein> ?
[18:21] <searching> yes
[18:21] <searching> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.2)
[18:21] <searching> I have Lubuntu 11.10 and the lxpanel freeze
[18:22] <holstein> you have the lxpanel freeze?
[18:22] <searching> I can`t install with patch
[18:22] <searching> yes
[18:22] <holstein> cant install what?
[18:22] <searching> yes
[18:22] <holstein> searching: does sudo apt-get update return any errors?
[18:22] <searching> apt-get dist-upgrade may be
[18:22] <searching> no
[18:23] <searching> but there are 220 Mb
[18:23] <searching> login in Lubuntu
[18:23] <searching> log out
[18:23] <searching> login in
[18:23] <searching> and no freezes
[18:23] <searching> lol
[18:24] <holstein> searching: i would apply the upgrades
[18:24] <holstein> searching: do you have any ppa's added?
[18:25] <searching> if I try to install the missing file say that depends on moutall
[18:25] <searching> no
[18:25] <holstein> what missing file?.. a patch? thats not a missing file
[18:25] <holstein> searching: have you tried as another user? or blowing out the current panel config of your user?
[18:25] <searching> when it said that depends on lib...
[18:25] <holstein> searching: it?
[18:25] <holstein> searching: the patch that may or may not fix this issue?
[18:26] <searching> i try install the missing lib
[18:26] <holstein> searching: try as a differnt user
[18:26] <holstein> searching: or share the patch you are trying to install
[18:26] <searching> but it said that is depending on other
[18:26] <holstein> searching: it? being the patch?
[18:26] <searching> if I try root solve?
[18:26] <searching> to install from root ?
[18:27] <holstein> searching: i dont know what "it" or "root solve" is or means
[18:27] <searching> the terminal
[18:27] <searching> in the terminal said that
[18:27] <holstein> searching: forget the terminal
[18:27] <holstein> searching: log in as another user and test the panel
[18:28] <searching> ok
[18:28] <searching> if freeze?
[18:29] <searching> there is a patch from a bug lxpanel use cpu 100%
[18:29] <holstein> searching: then you come here and say "holstein, the panel freezes with the new user account im testing with that you suggested i test with"
[18:29] <searching> apt-get remove lxpanel
[18:29] <searching> start the lubuntu without lxpanel no freezes
[18:29] <holstein> searching: sure.. and i dont know what patch you are talking about.. so you'll need to share that patch with me for me to help
[18:29] <holstein> searching: what im trint to determine is... is it an issue with your user configuration, or the panel
[18:30] <searching> one moment
[18:30] <holstein> if you have a misconfigured .config file for the panel, it wont matter what patches we install
[18:30] <searching> http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/lxpanel/
[18:31] <searching> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/906825
[18:31] <searching> yes
[18:32] <searching> or to install freesh Lubuntu 12.10?
[18:32] <holstein> i would.. but if you'll test as a different user, and let me know that the issue is happening in both user accounts we can go from there
[18:32] <searching> Lubuntu 12.04 same frezees more powerfull
[18:32] <holstein> OR, remove the panel .config
[18:32] <holstein> searching: i have no lubuntu 12.04 freeze
[18:33] <searching> remove .config?
[18:34] <searching> I have one user
[18:34] <holstein> searching: or test as a different user.. removing your current user configuration from the equation as a troubleshooting step
[18:34] <holstein> searching: correct
[18:34] <holstein> searching: im suggesting you make another user account and test for the freeze
[18:34] <searching> ok
[18:34] <searching> to remove .config?
[18:34] <holstein> searching: if it doesnt freeze, then you are not effected by said bug and there is no need to instal the "patch"
[18:34] <holstein> searching: remove/rename or move the current panel config.. or test as new user
[18:35] <searching> ok
[18:35] <searching> no freeze when login
[18:35] <searching> logout
[18:35] <searching> login again
[18:36] <searching> ok thanks
[18:36] <searching> let`s try
[18:36] <holstein> searching: so the issue is *not* the bug you are referencing
[18:36] <holstein> searching: the issue is in the config for the panel.. mis-configuration
[18:36] <searching> ok
[18:37] <searching> if I remove .config
[18:37] <searching> after login .config will be created again?
[18:37] <holstein> searching: i thought you already had, and were saying everything was fine
[18:38] <searching> ok I ll do the test
[18:38] <holstein> searching: im suggesting that you take your current .config out of the equation for troubleshooting purposes.. here are several ways you can do this
[18:38] <holstein> 1. make a new user account and login
[18:38] <searching> ok
[18:38] <holstein> 2. rename/remove or move the config you have in place for the panel
[18:38] <searching> ok
[18:40] <searching> when login and type in lxterminal hung for 2 or 3 seconds
[18:40] <holstein> why would you type lxterminal?
[18:40] <holstein> is it "hung" or just launching the app??
[18:40] <searching> in the same period after login
[18:40] <holstein> it should take a bit to lanuch the application
[18:40] <holstein> thats not a "freeze"
[18:41] <holstein> thats just the machine launching an application
[18:41] <searching> I can type in lxterminal iptables restore
[18:41] <holstein> ?
[18:41] <holstein> iptables shouldnt have anything to do with anything here
[18:41] <holstein> why are you typing lxterminal?
[18:42] <searching> look
[18:42] <searching> sudo iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
[18:42] <searching> than
[18:42] <searching> free -m
[18:42] <searching> than
[18:42] <holstein> sure, but that doesnt have anything to do with the GUI freezing.. or launching lxterminal from the terminal.. which im notsure why you are doing
[18:43] <searching> sync ; echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
[18:43] <holstein> searching: when you say than, you mean then?
[18:43] <searching> when I type sys hung
[18:43] <holstein> searching: hung? for a few seconds?
[18:43] <searching> same period in 100 logins
[18:43] <searching> yes
[18:43] <holstein> searching: that can be normal...
[18:44] <searching> I need to minimize the panel
[18:44] <holstein> searching: there should be a little button that minimizes it
[18:44] <holstein> searching: the windows. not the panel
[18:44] <searching> minimize and the hung disapear
[18:44] <holstein> the hung?
[18:44] <searching> tha windows
[18:44] <searching> yes
[18:44] <holstein> searching: im not following
[18:45] <holstein> searching: seems like what you are describing is normal
[18:45] <searching> sync ; echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/s| | hung
[18:45] <holstein> searching: im not sure what iptables has to do with starting an application from the terminal
[18:45] <searching> I can`t type nothing
[18:45] <searching> minimize the window
[18:46] <searching> and the hung goes
[18:46] <holstein> searching: when i type "man sync" that takes a few seconds
[18:46] <holstein> searching: i dont think so.. i think the GUI might seem more responsive to you in that case
[18:46] <holstein> searching: i dont think you have an issue at all. i dont think you are freezing up or hanging
[18:46] <searching> ok
[18:46] <holstein> i think the computer is launching an application
[18:47] <searching> top command
[18:47] <searching> xorg root
[18:47] <searching> lxpanel
[18:47] <searching> lxtask
[18:48] <searching> xorg 18mb 3 or 4 % cpu
[18:48] <searching> lxpanel 1,5 % cpu
[18:48] <holstein> searching: thats what its like on my machine.. xorg
[18:48] <holstein> searching: im not running lxpanel.. but tint is here..
[18:48] <searching> tint2?
[18:49] <holstein> searching: tint2 is the panel i am running
[18:49] <bioterror> holstein, svn?
[18:49] <holstein> searching: i dont think you have an issue with the panel though..
[18:49] <searching> with configurations
[18:50] <holstein> searching: i dont think you have an issue at all
[18:50] <searching> holstein give u something to see a screen
[18:51] <searching> http://postimage.org/image/nbeqhp82z/
[18:51] <searching> when scrolling in firefox
[18:51] <searching> but I try scrolling now and nothing bag happens
[18:52] <holstein> searching: i would have realistic expectations for your hardware and the driver support for the graphics card
[18:52] <searching> video card intel 64Mb
[18:52] <searching> lol
[18:53] <searching> Intel Corporation 82845G/GL
[18:53] <searching> 2400Mhz cpu 768 Mb ram
[18:54] <searching> Lubuntu 11.10 or 12.04 can run on this machine?
[18:54] <holstein> searching: i would expect glitches with that hardware. nothing serious..
[18:55] <searching> ok thanks
[18:55] <searching> I can use html5 youtube?
[18:56] <searching> runs but first time I think the html5 it is the problem
[18:56] <holstein> searching: i use the chrome browser in 32bit.. it has its own flash
[18:56] <searching> Adapter DescriptionTungsten Graphics, Inc -- Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G x86/MMX/SSE2
[18:57] <searching> Driver Version1.3 Mesa 7.11
[18:57] <searching> 1.3 not supporting 2.1
[18:58] <searching> I have disable html5
[18:58] <searching> and flash
[18:58] <searching> I had chromium and removed
[18:58] <searching> don`t like that browser
[18:58] <holstein> searching: i said chrome.. not chromium. but i just suggest it as a troubleshooting step
[18:59] <holstein> searching: nothing about lxde, lxpanel or lubuntu as causing an issues on your system... hanging or freeezing
[19:02] <searching> only glitches
[19:02] <searching> Incorrectly written software(bug) lol
[19:03] <searching> ok thanks
[19:03] <holstein> sure.. but im suggesting its hardware support
[19:03] <holstein> searching: i do not have any of those issues you have.. nor have i heard of them.. thats why i lean towards it not being the software
[19:03] <searching> next year I ll buy a better pc
[19:03] <holstein> searching: follow those bugs though assuming you can sort out that it is a hardware support issue
[19:04] <holstein> searching: try other versions of flash.. other browsers.. other graphics drivers
[19:04] <holstein> searching: try live CD's with other kernels that provide other support
[19:04] <searching> lubuntu 11.04 runs well
[19:04] <holstein> searching: those issues you are mentioning have little to do with lxde or the panel or iptables or any of that
[19:05] <searching> I tried flashplayer 10
[19:05] <holstein> this will more likely be support.. kernel modules.. a newer or older or different kernel could support your hardware better
[19:05] <holstein> searching: try not testing with flash at all
[19:06] <searching> how can I install older graphics drivers?
[19:06] <holstein> searching: flash support has nothing to do with LXDE or lubuntu anyways.. though i do feel you can experiment and get something comfortable on your machine that will work well with flash and modern browsing
[19:06] <holstein> searching: i test with different kernels from live CD's
[19:06] <holstein> searching: i test with vesa drivers.. i test with chrome browser.. midori.. whatever
[19:06] <searching> luakit
[19:07] <holstein> i just test.. if you feel it is an lxde/lubuntu issue, just install xfce and test and see that you have similar performance issues
[19:07] <Moewe> hi
[19:07] <searching> X.Org X Server 1.10.4
[19:08] <searching> I think installing ubuntu 12.10 with openbox
[19:08] <holstein> searching: yup.. a live CD would be an easy way of testing that.. OR, just dont oot the gui at all
[19:08] <holstein> searching: i am currently running 12.04 with openbox.. xorg reports the same as your did
[19:08] <holstein> searching: that is a realistic use of the cpu for xorg
[19:09] <searching> and your pc configuration?
[19:09] <holstein> a netbook.. 2gb or ram.. a 1.5 dual core proc with the new-ish nvidia/intel dual graphics
[19:09] <searching> ubuntu 12.04.1 server have 5 years support
[19:10] <holstein> searching: the ubuntu 12.04 in general has 5 years of support.. but the lubntu is not officially an LTS
[19:10] <holstein> searching: 10.04 had 5 years of support on the server and 3 on the desktop, but 12.04 is just 5 years total AFAIK
[19:10] <searching> if I install ubuntu12.04.1 ubuntu core and than openbox
[19:11] <holstein> searching: do what you like.. that wont make your hardware any "faster" or better supperted.. i typically test live CD's til something works "best" out of the box, and go for that
[19:11] <searching> ok
[19:12] <searching> next year make this server
[19:12] <searching> I have another pc with 2800 cpu
[19:12] <searching> runs debian+xfce
[19:12] <searching> fine
[19:13] <holstein> sure.. its not that.. its likely the hardware support
[19:13] <holstein> searching: take the hard drive from the 2800 and put it in there and see how it works
[19:13] <searching> openbox with tint2 use pcu and video?
[19:14] <searching> cpu
[19:14] <searching> thanks I need to go
[19:14] <holstein> ?.. im not sure i understaing
[19:15] <holstein> you need to utilize the CPU and graphics card to run openbox and tint2, yes
[19:15] <holstein> is it "faster" than lxde?.. i didnt think so
[19:15] <searching> openbox with tint2 use more or less video+cpu than lubuntu
[19:15] <holstein> is it easier than just installing lxde? no
[19:16] <holstein> searching: i think its similar in resource usage..
[19:17] <searching> debian + openbox ?
[19:17] <searching> or ubuntu + openbox
[19:17] <holstein> i have ubuntu 12.04.. you should use what you want
[19:18] <holstein> i would say, you can spend/waste a lot of time (as i did) with a custom setup that is very similar in resource usage to lubuntu out of the box
[19:18] <searching> had u tryied debian?
[19:18] <holstein> searching: sure.. ive tried and used plenty of distros
[19:19] <searching> in /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[19:20] <searching> @lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[19:20] <searching> without &
[19:20] <holstein> this is an ubuntu channel, so i dont think anyone sill say "you should use debian".. i say, you should use what works best, and there might be plenty of reason to prefer debian, but i dont think any valid reasons will be performance
[19:21] <searching> yes
[19:21] <searching> yesterday I found in /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[19:22] <searching> not lubuntu theme
[19:22] <searching> not Bear2
[19:22] <holstein> you can find lots of things not lubuntu.. im just not following...
[19:23] <searching> but here
[19:23] <searching> it is profile Lubuntu or profile Lubuntu&
[19:23] <searching> default
[19:24] <searching> I will change to see what it happens
[19:24] <holstein> i would just test them... im not sure i know
[19:25] <holstein> if your question is "whats this button do?", i would just press it, unless you are root
[19:25] <searching> vi /etc/xdg/lxsession/Openbox/autostart
[19:25] <searching> in your terminal
[19:25] <holstein> searching: i dont have lubuntu on this machine to see.. but i would just test the 2 sessions
[19:26] <searching> @tint2 --profile Openbox or @tint2 --profile Openbox&
[19:26] <holstein> searching: i created my autostart
[19:26] <searching> yes
[19:26] <searching> thanks bye
[22:48] <klymero> bonsoir
[23:34] <dorohoro> #crunchbang
[23:50] <solarcloud> Hoping to put Lubuntu on my old laptop .. any install guides out there .. Anyone ?
[23:51] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation ?


[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[10:47] <Cantide> hello :)
[10:47] <Cantide> was there a video recently where the Ubuntu Edge was discussed? I've looked on youtube and on ubuntuonair.com but I can't seem to find it
[11:02] <howefield> Cantide: it was discussed on a weekly update, Tuesday last.
[11:02] <Cantide> how can i find it?
[11:07] <howefield> not sure, I don't see it as being uploaded. mhall hosted in JOnos absence, might be worth dropping him a note
[11:15] <Cantide> t.. thanks >.<
[11:16] <UbuPhillup> Cantide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDmVD-VuZWg&feature=c4-feed-u
[11:17] <Cantide> thank you!
[11:17] <UbuPhillup> Cantide: it was uploaded on mhall119 s channel ;)
[11:18] <Cantide> yeah, i didn't look there >.<
[11:18] <UbuPhillup> ;)
[11:45] <Cantide> pity i missed that one ._. was in another city
[11:46] <UbuPhillup> Cantide: i missed it too so, but i watch the recording
[11:47] <Cantide> yeah, i'm watching it now
[11:47] <Cantide> i wonder if they'll have new perks...
[11:47] <Cantide> such as something for founders like wearables... or 14.04 disks
[11:48] <UbuPhillup> hmm yes
[11:48] <Cantide> say 50 USD gets you a founder's shirt, just for example
[11:48] <Cantide> there are still enough days :)
[11:49] <UbuPhillup> Cantide: we will see
[11:49] <Cantide> :)
[11:49] <UbuPhillup> and its a long way to 32 M
[11:49] <Cantide> a pity i can't get the phone ,_,
[11:49] <Cantide> that should never be an obstacle :)
[11:49] <Cantide> it's certainly achievable


[02:09] <bluesabre> jphilips: for the seeds, https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-seed/wiki#updating-the-xubuntu-seeds
[11:48] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks. will do so. you likely would need to revert this, now that notes has been upgraded - https://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=7b8107d1d4835eda966db432f228061601fa1540
[11:48] <ubot3> Commit 7b8107d in ~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu "Remove unsupported xfce4-notes-plugin from seed (LP: #1901961)"
[12:00] <bluesabre> jphilips: good call, will get that added back
[12:01] <bluesabre> Looks like libgit2 is still blocking things
[13:04] <jphilips> is there a means to add a package to seeding and tell it not to pull in any recommended packages
[13:05] <jphilips> adapta-gtk-theme depends on fonts-noto and fonts-noto has many recommends that aren't needed
[13:33] <jphilips> bluesabre: let me know if this is fine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1914424
[13:33] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1914424 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[Feature] Improve the default selection of themes" [Undecided, New]
[20:28] <JackFrost> ochosi: I really like the dark panel windows, and the clock, in Numix with the dark setting. :3
[20:28] <JackFrost> Red and dark background clock is niiiiiice.
[20:28] <jphilips> got a screenshot
[20:34] <JackFrost> https://unit193.net/clock.png
[21:06] <jphilips> have difficulties seeing the red on the dark background. burning my eyes
[21:48] <JackFrost> pleia2: Hello!  Do you think you'd have time sometime to update the dev server?  Depending on the time chosen, I can be around to assist if needed.
[22:05] <jphilips> bluesabre: is your 4.16 icon name conversion script taking into consideration that some icons aren't always in /apps/ but are sometimes in /categories/ or /places/
[22:27] <bluesabre> jphilips: yep, in which case, the xfce icons are creating in apps for sanity :)
[22:31] <jphilips> oh okay, as someone mentioned on reddit that it didn't fix icons for thunar and settings manager


[08:44] <tseliot> apw: fglrx, nvidia, and bcmwl are all ready for linux 3.18 in vivid now. You might want to let rtg know (apparently I'm never online when he is)
[09:22] <apw> tseliot, ack thanks, in theory the dkms matrix sort itself out and show that too
[09:49] <apw> jibel, hey, the dkms testing, when a new dkms package is uploaded, how long after that will a new run for it trigger
[09:51] <jibel> apw, same than the rest, we check once a day. I could schedule it more frequently if you need to.
[09:51] <jibel> apw, for info I filed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766668 to add autopkgtest support to all dkms packages
[09:52] <jibel> apw, the patch is attached waiting for a review by the maintainer
[09:52] <apw> jibel, nice on the debian stuff indeed
[09:52] <jibel> apw, then dkms tests will run each time a dkms test of its deps are uploaded
[09:52] <jibel> and block the migration if they fail
[09:53] <apw> jibel, nice
[09:53] <apw> jibel, ok so the fix for the dkms package in question was just 24m ago so thats not a supprise it has not appeared yet
[09:54] <apw> jibel, is there a button an apw can click to jiggle that one into action, as daily is plenty fast enough on the normal run of things, but it would be nice to be able to jiggle things once in a while
[09:55] <jibel> apw, you should be able to trigger tests manually from http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/DKMS/
[09:55] <jibel> apw, if you are not allowed the CI team can give you the right privileges
[09:56] <apw> so if i just wanted to run the bcmwl test, where is the button for that for you, i seem to remember having retry buttons so i suspect i have some priviledge at least
[09:56] <apw> (then i can look see if it is there :))
[09:58] <jibel> apw, for bcmwl + kernel team ppa: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/DKMS/view/V%20KT-PPA%20-generic/job/dkms-vivid-release_canonical_kernel_team_ppa-generic-bcmwl_kernel_source/
[09:58] <jibel> apw, for bcmwl + kernel in proposed: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/DKMS/view/V%20-generic/job/dkms-vivid-release-generic-bcmwl_kernel_source/
[09:58] <apw> jibel, and i'd expect like a "run me" button on there on that left menu ?
[09:59] <jibel> apw, yes, there should be a "build" button on the left menu. Are you logged in?
[10:00] <apw> ahh no i am not, and now i am i see a build
[10:01] <apw> jibel, and that build says "make a new build for the latest kernel/package combo" i assume
[10:03] <apw> jibel, and ... that worked, excellent
[10:03] <apw> (the one you tickled for me)
[10:03] <jibel> apw, it'll build with the most recent version of the packages in the archive + proposed + any ppa enabled.
[10:04] <apw> that, is exactly what i need, thank you
[10:04] <jibel> yw
[10:23] <apw> tseliot, have all of the below gone in vivid?
[10:23] <apw> fglrx REMOVED?
[10:23] <apw> fglrx_updates REMOVED?
[10:23] <apw> nvidia_173 REMOVED?
[10:24] <apw> (the first two seem to now have _core versions)
[10:36] <tseliot> apw: not really
[10:37] <tseliot> apw: fglrx-core is just an addition to fglrx
[10:37] <tseliot> fglrx-core is the one with the kernel code
[10:37] <apw> fglrx MISSING
[10:37] <apw> fglrx_updates MISSING
[10:37] <apw> so those two not being tested, is wrong i assume
[10:38] <tseliot> apw: right, fglrx-core and fglrx-updates-core are the dkms packages
[10:38] <tseliot> nvidia-173 was indeed removed
[10:38] <apw> tseliot, ok now i am confused has the fgrlx dkms packge name changed then ?
[10:39] <tseliot> (I thought you were saying they had been removed from the archive)
[10:39] <tseliot> apw: fglrx-core contains only the bare minimum (DKMS stuff, and non X specific libraries), whereas fglrx is specific to X
[10:40] <apw> ie was the dkms bits in fglrx in U and in fglrx-core in V ?
[10:40] <tseliot> both U and V have the fglrx and fglrx-core split
[10:41] <apw> tseliot, ahh but did the split occur in the developement of U ?
[10:41] <tseliot> put simply, we always need to test the -core package
[10:41] <tseliot> yep
[10:41] <apw> ok then _that_ makes my results make sense :)  thanks
[10:41] <tseliot> :)
[10:54] <apw> jibel, hey ... during U the fglrx "went away" and was replaced by fglrx-core as a dkms package, i note
[10:55] <apw> jibel, that during that time the job names went wonky as well (3.16.0-24-generic /2:14.201-0ubuntu2) is that indicative that that result is not relevant perhaps ?
[10:57] <apw> what does the name before the / there mean anyhow i guess
[11:00] <apw> if that is the name of the dkms module we _find_ in the package then i guess it is indicative
[11:02] <tseliot> apw: BTW, when is the lts-utopic backported stack due in 14.04?
[11:04] <apw> tseliot, the kernel is already there i think
[11:05] <apw>  linux-lts-utopic | 3.16.0-25.33~14.04.2 | trusty-proposed | source
[11:05] <tseliot> apw: in -proposed or in -updates?
[11:05] <apw> sitting in proposed at the moment it seems
[11:05] <tseliot> oh, good
[11:05] <tseliot> as that would break my packages
[11:05] <tseliot> ok, maybe only bcmwl, IIRC
[11:27] <jibel> apw, if the name changed in U then only results for fglrx-.*-core are relevant. Tests are added automatically but not removed.
[11:28] <jibel> apw, the name before /<version> is PACKAGE_NAME found in dkms.conf of the module
[11:28] <apw> jibel, ok so if that goes "" then it is very likely that that package can be ignored as a result ... purfect
[15:33] <apw> jibel, this replication who owns fix that when the two do not match ?
[15:54] <apw> jibel, do we run any of this tesitng for the lts-backport kernels ?
[22:24] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> What packages are needed to rebuild the kernel?
[22:55] <apw> j4s0nmchr1st0s, the build dependancies on the kernel are the packages you need
[22:57] <bjf> j4s0nmchr1st0s, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel


[01:34] <bkerensa> c_smith: you around?
[03:38] <blkperl> where did steve go..
[03:39] <blkperl> launchpad you should really recognize redmine when you see it, or not complain...
[05:19] <bkerensa> hello gaspasser
[05:20] <gaspasser> Good day.  Just stopped by to see if there was any activity
[05:20] <bkerensa> gaspasser: only a little :)
[05:21]  * bkerensa runs to take garbage out before he forgets
[05:21] <gaspasser> I am playing in Precise and having a blast with it.  Waiting for the Cinnamon desktop to come back into play
[05:21]  * slangasek waves
[05:21] <bkerensa> gaspasser: You can install that right now if you would like
[05:21] <bkerensa> blkperl: ^
[05:21]  * bkerensa really goes to take out trash and compost now
[05:22] <gaspasser> Last time I tried, the ppa for precise had been taken down
[05:22] <gaspasser> If it's back up I will reinstall

[05:23] <gaspasser> ??
[05:30] <gaspasser> All I find is version 1.2.  I had 1.4 installed.  It crashed.
[05:58] <gaspasser> Installed Cinnamon ver 1.4...let's see how well it plays
[05:58]  * gaspasser waves goodnight
[05:58] <bkerensa> gnight!
[07:42] <c_smith> yay for having homework take all day and close to half the night and still not fully finished.
[07:42] <bkerensa> :D
[07:42] <bkerensa> c_smith: you are up quite late
[07:43] <c_smith> yep, need to read chapters 1-10 of Jane Eyre, and then write an essay on it, I'm only on  chapter four.
[07:43] <c_smith> this essay is due at 8AM tomorrow.
[07:44] <c_smith> Writing 121 is nothing to take with a light heart or busy schedule.
[08:03] <bkerensa> :D
[08:04] <c_smith> anywho, I took a short break, and found a topic you had posted on Reddit about (through another person) that would affect people like me.
[08:05] <c_smith> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-04-05/doctors-change-autism-definition/54047994/1#.T4Iu5RKvODA.reddit just to name the topic.
[08:05] <orebuntu> c_smith's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/7xhcyh4
[08:05] <c_smith> ok.... not sure what use that orebuntu message was at the moment, but ok.
[08:06] <bkerensa> :D
[08:06] <bkerensa> !weather 97303
[08:06] <orebuntu> bkerensa: Current weather for Salem, OR
[08:06] <orebuntu> Clear, Temp: 43, Wind Chill: 41 F, Humidity: 89%, Pressure: 29.75", Wind: North 4mph
[08:06] <orebuntu> Forecast: Partly Cloudy, High: 73 F, Low: 36 F
[08:06] <bkerensa> :D
[08:06] <c_smith> feels about that temperature in my room.
[08:06] <bkerensa> !figlet Cold
[08:06] <orebuntu>   ____      _     _
[08:06] <orebuntu>  / ___|___ | | __| |
[08:06] <orebuntu> | |   / _ \| |/ _` |
[08:06] <orebuntu> | |__| (_) | | (_| |
[08:06] <orebuntu>  \____\___/|_|\__,_|
[08:07]  * bkerensa pets orebuntu
[08:07] <c_smith> now that, that has me laughing a little bit.
[08:07]  * c_smith checks his email to confirm when the rescheduled IRC meeting was
[08:08] <bkerensa> c_smith: which subreddit was that article on?
[08:08] <bkerensa> c_smith: this Sunday as much as I really dont wanna do it ;)
[08:09] <bkerensa> unfortunately nathwill_gone likely has plans or I would ask him to hold it
[08:09] <bkerensa> :D
[08:09] <c_smith> bkerensa, I just looked at the link, let me check what the subreddit is.
[08:10] <c_smith> wait, that article wasn't on reddit, but USA Today.
[08:10] <c_smith> >.< my bad, still relevant to people like me.
[08:11] <bkerensa> heh
[08:12] <bkerensa> c_smith: yeahs its going to change things pretty radically I hear.... Apparently a couple experts left the task force because they felt the changes they are proposing would harm children and adults who were severely autistic and leave them without services and medical care
[08:12] <c_smith> What I believe Autism needs to be seen as is more of something along the lines of a type of person instead of disease. as those of us with it will never be rid of it, however normal we may look.
[08:12] <c_smith> me included.
[08:13] <bkerensa> I am not sure why Psychiatrists are redefining Autism anyways since it is not a Mental Health disorder but instead is Neurodevelopmental
[08:13] <c_smith> true,
[08:13] <bkerensa> which is in the realm of heavily specialized MD's who usually have a Phd to boot
[08:14] <c_smith> haha, this is like if a plumber tried to change something in the government himself, eh?
[08:14] <c_smith> without petition, and acting as if he were in the government.
[08:16] <c_smith> Gonna change the subject here to get one remark about the current Unity state: it's a heck of a lot more useable in my opinion than 11.10. and has some nice features.
[08:16] <c_smith> Still haven't figured HUD out, though.
[08:18] <bkerensa> its fun
[08:19] <c_smith> it's installed by default in Beta 2, right?
[08:20] <bkerensa> yes I think
[08:20] <bkerensa> System Settings in 12.04 is going to get a small change :P
[08:22] <c_smith> looks like it is, doesn't seem to open on Firefox, or any app I have tried it on.
[08:23] <c_smith> oh, that's why, wrong alt key.
[08:23] <c_smith> nice feature. I'll definitely have to make use of it.
[08:23] <c_smith> bkerensa, has the system settings change landed in the beta that you know of?
[08:24] <bkerensa> not yet I am waiting for a core developer to review my change
[08:24] <c_smith> nice. mind if I ask what the change is?
[08:28] <bkerensa> c_smith: it wont occur due to string freeze
[08:28] <bkerensa> :)
[08:28] <c_smith> ah, I see.
[08:28] <c_smith> bugfix, then?
[08:29] <bkerensa> yes
[08:31] <c_smith> cool
[14:58] <blkperl> slangasek: any chance this will be fixed before precise comes out?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/552786
[15:12] <slangasek> blkperl: nope, sorry
[15:12] <blkperl> slangasek: :(
[15:12] <blkperl> 12.10?
[15:13] <slangasek> blkperl: can't commit right now :)
[15:13] <slangasek> patches welcome!
[15:16] <blkperl> does 12.10 have a name yet?
[15:17] <bkerensa> no
[15:17] <bkerensa> well maybe in sabdfl's head but not public yet
[15:17] <bkerensa> :D
[15:23] <bkerensa> nathwill_gone: you left your work screen up? :P if you get this hit me up on text
[16:23] <bkerensa> Brian_H: How does Lunch next Thursday at at the place I mentioned sound?
[16:23] <Brian_H> awesome :) let me know what time
[16:28] <bkerensa> Brian_H: What time works for you? Its out here in Northeast
[16:32] <bkerensa> bdmurray: is it safe to assume that any maverick bug can be marked won't fix?
[16:34] <bdmurray> bkerensa: How do you know its a maverick bug?
[16:34] <bdmurray> and not a precise bug too?
[16:39] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I see... even if its series targeted and pretty old?
[16:40] <bdmurray> well if it has bug task targetted to maverick then that task should be closed as won't fix
[16:40] <bdmurray> but if a bug was just reported a maverick it should be assumed to still affect precise and even Q
[16:40] <tgm4883> bkerensa, http://www.ubuntu-oregon.org/2012/04/12/lets-get-social-giveaway/ seems to be taking forever to load
[16:41] <bkerensa> tgm4883: cloudflare
[16:41] <bkerensa> tgm4883: they are under a DDoS I think
[16:41] <tgm4883> nice
[17:43] <nathwill> !figlet DSPAM
[17:43] <orebuntu>  ____  ____  ____   _    __  __
[17:43] <orebuntu> |  _ \/ ___||  _ \ / \  |  \/  |
[17:43] <orebuntu> | | | \___ \| |_) / _ \ | |\/| |
[17:43] <orebuntu> | |_| |___) |  __/ ___ \| |  | |
[17:43] <orebuntu> |____/|____/|_| /_/   \_\_|  |_|
[17:43] <nathwill> :D
[17:44] <blkperl> slangasek: have you noticed that switching between unity and virtual terminals makes unity choke on rendering the bar
[17:45] <slangasek> no
[17:46] <blkperl> [xfixes] Barrier event queue full.  Dropping further events
[17:46] <blkperl> what does that mean ^
[17:46] <kees> !googlepage msg . --version
[17:46] <orebuntu> Going to search google...
[17:46] <orebuntu> grep (GNU grep) 2.10
[17:46] <orebuntu> Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[17:46] <orebuntu> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>.
[17:46] <orebuntu> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
[17:46] <orebuntu> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
[17:46] <orebuntu> Written by Mike Haertel and others, see <http://git.sv.gnu.org/cgit/grep.git/tree/AUTHORS>.
[17:46] <orebuntu> When . is googled, --version is found on page 1: http://www.google.com/search?q=.&start=0
[17:47]  * kees whistles innocently
[17:47] <blkperl> slangasek: i gurantee if you bring a precise box that i can make unity slow down to a crawl
[17:47] <bkerensa> nathwill: I got a e-mail from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:47] <bkerensa> ?
[17:47] <slangasek> well, you asked me if I've noticed this, and I haven't :)
[17:47] <bkerensa> talking about DSPAM
[17:48] <blkperl> slangasek: alright run a memory intensive process, switch to vt, kill the process, and switch back to desktop and unity will be in angry mode :)
[17:48] <bkerensa> kees: do u know how to hack pulseaudio :P
[17:49] <slangasek> !googlepage msg . `ls /`
[17:49] <orebuntu> Going to search google...
[17:49] <slangasek> hmm!
[17:49] <orebuntu> Sorry, `ls was not found in the first 1000 results of the search .. Looks like you need to blog more.
[17:49] <bkerensa> watch the bot crashes
[17:49] <slangasek> blkperl: I'm running unity-2d, so my results may not match anyway
[17:49] <bkerensa> !googlepage msg . "ls/"
[17:49] <orebuntu> Going to search google...
[17:49] <kees> bkerensa: "hack"? a tiny bit
[17:50] <blkperl> slangasek: compiz is stealling all the cpu too :(
[17:50] <bkerensa> kees: I am just trying to find someone to help me fix my bluetooth bug :P
[17:50] <nathwill> lol
[17:50] <kees> bkerensa: oh, dunno about that bit
[17:50] <orebuntu> Sorry, "ls/" was not found in the first 1000 results of the search .. Looks like you need to blog more.
[17:51] <bkerensa> hm
[17:51] <kees> !googlepage msg . --file=.bash_history
[17:51] <orebuntu> Going to search google...
[17:51] <orebuntu> Sorry, --file=.bash_history was not found in the first 1000 results of the search .. Looks like you need to blog more.
[17:51] <bkerensa> nathwill: what modules are loaded ^
[17:51] <bkerensa> does it do dice?
[17:52] <nathwill> bkerensa, check in ~nathwill/src/hackabot/commands
[17:52] <bkerensa> k
[17:52] <nathwill> alright, i'm outta here y'all, gotta 2 hr drive to go see my folks tonite
[17:52] <kees> !help
[17:52] <orebuntu> Commands: 8ball about admin asshat bc blame cowsay date dc distro echo fail figlet fire fob fortune google googlefight googlepage group hacker hangman help insult limerick lunch me msg notice ping praise proverb quote remindme s score seen slogan tardhat topic uptime urban weather whip wikipath wikipedia wiktionary win woot wtf yoda zima
[17:52] <bkerensa> nathwill: oh have fun
[17:52] <nathwill> have a great day all!
[17:53] <bkerensa> nathwill: seeya thursday
[17:53] <bkerensa> !distro
[17:53] <orebuntu> AV Linux
[17:53] <bkerensa> !APT
[17:53] <bkerensa> weird
[17:53] <kees> !8ball
[17:53] <orebuntu>  ___________
[17:53] <orebuntu> /           \
[17:53] <orebuntu> \           /
[17:53] <orebuntu>  \  HECK   /
[17:53] <orebuntu>   \  YEA! /
[17:53] <orebuntu>    \     /
[17:53] <orebuntu>     \___/
[17:57] <slangasek> !cupt
[17:58] <slangasek> what?  how can it not know cupt?
[17:59] <slangasek> the reimplementation of apt in perl is the most important development in software since the reimplementation of java in haskell
[18:00] <kees> !cowsay -f owl cupt
[18:00] <orebuntu>  ______
[18:00] <orebuntu> < cupt >
[18:00] <orebuntu>  ------
[18:00] <orebuntu>   \ _v_
[18:00] <orebuntu>    <@,@>
[18:00] <orebuntu>    [`-']
[18:00] <orebuntu>    -"-"-
[18:01] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:18] <bkerensa> !cowsay
[18:18] <orebuntu> Usage: !cowsay -l OR !cowsay [-f critter] phrase...
[18:18] <bkerensa> !cowsay  -l
[18:18] <orebuntu> Critters: bunny default koala small tux beaver owl shamrock clover sun koolaid
[18:18] <bkerensa> !cowsay -f tux moar juju
[18:18] <orebuntu>  ___________
[18:18] <orebuntu> < moar juju >
[18:18] <orebuntu>  -----------
[18:18] <orebuntu>    \
[18:18] <orebuntu>     \
[18:18] <orebuntu>         .--.
[18:18] <orebuntu>        |o_o |
[18:18] <orebuntu>        |:_/ |
[18:18] <orebuntu>       //   \ \
[18:18] <orebuntu>      (|     | )
[18:18] <orebuntu>     /'\_   _/`\
[18:18] <orebuntu>     \___)=(___/
[18:21] <blkperl> !cowsay -f tux puppet master online, resistance is futile
[18:21] <orebuntu>  _____________________________________
[18:21] <orebuntu> / puppet master online, resistance is \
[18:21] <orebuntu> \ futile                              /
[18:21] <orebuntu>  -------------------------------------
[18:21] <orebuntu>    \
[18:21] <orebuntu>     \
[18:21] <orebuntu>         .--.
[18:21] <orebuntu>        |o_o |
[18:21] <orebuntu>        |:_/ |
[18:21] <orebuntu>       //   \ \
[18:21] <orebuntu>      (|     | )
[18:21] <orebuntu>     /'\_   _/`\
[18:21] <orebuntu>     \___)=(___/
[18:22] <blkperl> bkerensa: ^
[19:51] <bkero> fwah
[19:52] <bkerensa> !cowsay -f beaver fwah bkero
[19:52] <orebuntu>  ____________
[19:52] <orebuntu> < fwah bkero >
[19:52] <orebuntu>  ------------
[19:52] <orebuntu>               ___   \
[19:52] <orebuntu>            .="   "=._.---.
[19:52] <orebuntu>          ."         c ' Y'`p
[19:52] <orebuntu>         /   ,       `.  w_/
[19:52] <orebuntu>         |   '-.   /     /
[19:52] <orebuntu>   _,..._|      )_-\ \_=.\
[19:52] <orebuntu>  `-....-'`------)))`=-'"`'"
[19:57] <Brian_H> lol
[19:57] <Brian_H> awesome
[20:02] <bkero> !cowsay -f sun nyaa!
[20:02] <orebuntu>  _______
[20:02] <orebuntu> < nyaa! >
[20:02] <orebuntu>  -------
[20:02] <orebuntu>    \  \|/ ____ \|/
[20:02] <orebuntu>       "@'/ .. \`@"
[20:02] <orebuntu>       /_| \__/ |_\
[20:02] <orebuntu>          \__U_/


[01:31] <nosrednaekim> HEY! Gutsy fixed my wireless! YAY!
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> Thank you!
[10:40] <HighNo> hi there, anybody interested in a short software test? Needed things: fun, 20 minutes, bluetooth device and mobile phone (just for bluetooth communication)
[11:07] <robotgeek> HighNo: okay, shoot
[11:12] <HighNo> robotgeek: private?
[11:12] <robotgeek> HighNo: sure
[02:26] <fabo> Riddell: for strigi 0.5.5 in feisty, what do i need to do ? request backport ?
[03:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kdeaddons, kde-guidance, kdeedu, kdepim, kaffeine is compiled ok now.
[03:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: no changes so far.
[03:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: working on katapult, koffice now.
[03:31] <_StefanS_> anyone know how to build two source packages that depend on eachother?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_: very carefully ;)
[03:33] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: well.. care to elaborate more info ?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_: actually, i'm clueless, sorry. What I would do would be to install a binary version of one, compile the other and then compile the one you used as a binary.
[03:36] <_StefanS_> uhm yep.. I guess that would be the way to go
[03:43] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: actually a manual perl makefile.pl and make ; make install , and then debuild afterwards for same packages works ;)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> good :)
[03:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: which two are they?
[03:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: libxml-parser-perl_2.34-4.3 and libxml-encoding-perl_1.01-9
[03:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: seems a bit broken..
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: isn't having two packages depend on each other rather a bad practice?
[03:47] <_StefanS_> kinda ;)
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: sounds a bit like dependency hell to me
[03:47] <_StefanS_> like a deadlock.
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: yeah
[03:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: donno how to fix it though, other than merging them some way
[03:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: seems like they came directly from debian repos
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: I would understand it for some core libraries like gcc or glibc, but is it necessary here?
[03:47] <_StefanS_> nawp..
[03:48] <_StefanS_> shouldn't be
[03:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: strange, on my Gutsy box the l-p-p doesn't depend (directly) on l-e-p
[03:50] <_StefanS_> very weird then
[03:51] <mhb> _StefanS_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/654482
[03:51] <mhb> _StefanS_: sorry for the Czech locale but I think you'll understand
[03:58] <_StefanS_> 'hmm..
[04:07] <jeroenvrp> Bug #132000
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132000 in kdebase "Clicking on OpenGL in KInfoCenter freezes up the system in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132000
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> jeroenvrp: I'll test that on my system...
[05:15] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: kinfocenter doesn't freeze here. Using fglrx
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_: yeah I haven't tested yet, I'm doing something that I don't want to risk crashing :)
[05:17] <jdong> 132000 sounds highly dependent on the video card
[05:18] <jdong> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 01)
[05:18] <jdong> you'll need a Via S3 to reproduce it :)
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> VIA...is that the person's who crashed?
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> jdong: I have one!
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> jdong: but I don't have a gutsy 32 bit CD
[05:19] <jdong> cool
[05:19] <jdong> but darn :)
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> i'll see if I can get one though
[05:19] <jdong> I've got like ATI's and ATI's around me....
[05:19] <jdong> it's kinda depressing
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah, thats what I have now...
[06:25] <ryanakca> nixternal: Metabot is running it #ubuntu-meta again
[06:59] <nosrednaekim> hello, I have a question regarding the automatic installer for mp3 codecs in amarok
[07:05] <nosrednaekim> why does it have to DL the package lists first?
[07:06] <nosrednaekim> I'm on dial up, and that operation takes like 20 minutes
[07:07] <trekdanne> to make sure your package list is up to date?
[07:07] <Dannioni> (wild guess) Maybe you could download and install the package manually, thus skipping package list stuff?
[07:07] <nosrednaekim> Dannioni: oh yeah thats what I did...
[07:08] <Dannioni> oh...
[07:08] <mhb> nosrednaekim: well, to make sure the package name hasn't changed
[07:08] <nosrednaekim> Dannioni: and yes,I had just updated my package lists, hence my annoyance.
[07:08] <mhb> nosrednaekim: rather the version id, and the location of it
[07:08] <nosrednaekim> oh.... ok
[07:08] <mhb> nosrednaekim: adept should do the same thing on startup, doesn't it?
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> fetch package lists? no I turned that off.
[07:09] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I could be wrong, though.
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> It ussually fetches the package lists every day, but thats really annoying.
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> mhb: going off to try your restricted-manager... :)
[07:11] <nosrednaekim> Oh well its no big deal :) most people don't have dial up anyway, but maybe you could put in the tool tip that "if this is taking too long, just run "apt-get install libxine-extracodecs""
[07:13] <nosrednaekim> gotta restart.... BBIAB
[07:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb: your restricted drivers manager isworking nicely :)
[07:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: good to know
[07:20] <nosrednaekim> I read somewhere that they were doing compiz-by-default in ubuntu. Is that true?
[07:22] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I don't think so, no.
[07:22] <mhb> nosrednaekim: but I may be wrong.
[07:23] <nosrednaekim> I had thought it was ditched as well, but I was just checking.
[07:23] <nosrednaekim> I think its good because ATI cards juat aren't there yet..
[07:28] <ijuz_> in gnome you get compiz somehow as default when you are using a intel gfx driver
[07:30] <nosrednaekim> ijuz_: with gutsy?
[07:31] <ijuz_> yes
[07:31] <ijuz_> with KDE... i haven't gotten compiz started at all :)
[07:32] <nosrednaekim> ijuz_: hmm yeah I was wondering because I have compiz installed on my system, but I don't remember DLing it.
[07:32] <ijuz_> it's on the ubuntu gutsy cd
[07:34] <nosrednaekim> interesting... maybe that article wasn't wrong.
[07:38] <ijuz_> funky, when i suspend the screen is full of  signs and blinking... and after resume sound doesn't work (2.6.23-rc2)
[07:51] <nixternal> kool...I thought that java didn't work with amd64, or rather didn't have an amd64 package
[07:59] <mhb> I don't suppose that there is anyone skilled in QGraphicsScene magic ?
[08:43] <jeroenvrp> can I after upgrading to Gutsy easilly downgrade to Feisty?
[08:44] <Tm_T> no
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> there a to much problems with X and such, so it is not production ready for me
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: why
[08:44] <nosrednaekim> jeroenvrp: No, I doubt it
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> is not just replacing feisty in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:44] <Tm_T> it's not
[08:45] <Tm_T> it's dealing all dependencies and breakages by yourself most likely
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> grrr
[08:45] <Tm_T> and you end up with, err, broken system quite sure
[08:46] <jeroenvrp> oh well, I can reinstall the root partition off course
[08:51] <Riddell> fabo: test that it and the current kde4libs version compile and tell me, I can do the backport
[10:00] <nixternal> Riddell: I have reworked the about-kubuntu documentation..I am currently "making" it and will put it on my server for you to review and give info
[10:08] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/
[10:18] <Riddell> nixternal: it should be all on one page
[10:19] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:19] <nixternal> that is easy enough to fix
[10:19] <nixternal> that will be one long doco
[10:22] <nixternal> I take that bac
[10:22] <nixternal> k
[10:22] <nixternal> it is smooth as 1 page :)
[10:22] <nixternal> Riddell: anything you can think of adding, changing, removing, just say it...gonna go prepare for a bbq but I will be checking back
[10:22] <nixternal> I want to get an updated docs package done today so that translations can start
[10:31] <mhb> nixternal: KDE 3.5.7
[10:49] <nixternal> mhb: ya, that is already fixed..I didn't build the docs against the entity files yet
[10:59] <mhb> nixternal: IMVHO, there is too much "you can install a different kind of app for this and that" options
[11:00] <nixternal> in the equivalent section?
[11:01] <mhb> nixternal: yup ... There are various other applications as well for communication use.
[11:01] <nixternal> ya, there are some that could probably be cleaned out...but I added them for the time being as filler...I am going to go through and clean that up
[11:02] <mhb> nixternal: I would also write Mac OS X as Mac OS X, not Mac OSX
[11:02] <Riddell> nixternal: I've never liked the "The Difference" section
[11:02] <nixternal> OK
[11:02] <Riddell> that first sentence in it is a load of nonsense
[11:03] <Riddell> the last paragraph is too
[11:03] <nixternal> I will just remove that section
[11:04] <nixternal> the middle section is already spread out through the rest of the doco anyways
[11:04] <nixternal> ya, there are some things I want to change in there yet as well
[11:08] <ijuz_> mhb: i have another data point regarding the suspend issue
[11:09] <mhb> ijuz_: add it to the bug then ... I tried to reproduce it on my laptop but I failed
[11:10] <ijuz_> mhb: i complained yesterday that suspend doesn't work reliable with my old D810 laptop (with feisty) and now i tried also /etc/acpi/sleep.sh directly and i already was able to suspend/resume it 13 times in a row
[11:10] <ijuz_> (with >=2.6.20 there was this problem, with older ones it works)
[11:16] <ijuz_> with the button and kde...  2 times it worked, the r3rd time some garbage on the screen and the 4th try it fails...  so KDE is too blame, excellent, that increases the chance of a solution
[11:27] <mhb> ijuz_: could you please add your findings to the bug if you didn't do it yet? thanks.
[11:28] <ijuz_> i'm just doing this and posting to lkml, i complained about a kernel bug there ;)
[11:46] <nixternal> Riddell: anything else you would like to see in the about-kubuntu doco?
[11:46] <nixternal> I have changed it around a little, and remove that difference section
[11:46] <nixternal> fixed up 2 sections making them "what is linux?" and "what is kde?", since the wonderful world of linux was annoying


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[19:20] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:26] <Atamira> morning
[19:58] <mwhudson> morning
[20:26] <olly> morning
[22:00] <thumper> morning


[10:24] <om26er> could anyone on ubuntu 11.10 please test bug 918360
[10:24] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 918360 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in getInstance() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/918360
[10:24] <om26er> there is a test case
[10:24] <om26er> please install unity 4.8.0 from oneiric-proposed
[10:39] <brendand> om26er - i'll give it a go
[10:40] <om26er> brendand, thanks for that :)
[10:43] <brendand> om26er -  4.24.0-0ubuntu2.1 is my current version?
[10:44] <om26er> oh 4.8.0 is in proposed
[10:44] <om26er> brendand, seems someone else have a confirmation
[10:44] <om26er> Daniel confirmed the bug so i think its fine now since we have a confirmation about the bug. thanks anyways :)
[13:40] <om26er_> can anyone please reproduce this bug 915616 ?
[13:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 915616 in unity "hide all windows breaks ALT + TAB switcher (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/915616
[13:47] <bil21al> test~
[15:33] <yourfriendisaac> There is a bug in Ubuntu since 10.10 and Kubuntu since 11.04 which is inhibiting the menubar in xara extreme and probably other programs. Are there any fixes?
[15:42] <hggdh> yourfriendisaac: is there a bug on it?
[15:42] <yourfriendisaac> I'm looking for it
[15:45] <yourfriendisaac> No not that I can find
[15:45] <yourfriendisaac> hggdh: not that i can find
[15:50] <hggdh> yourfriendisaac: then it might be unknown to us... can you open a bug on it?
[15:50] <bil21al> hello : some body please triaged it and set its imp to medium
[15:50] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/telepathy-gabble/+bug/874283
[15:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 874283 in telepathy-gabble (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Empathy IM Client does not connect to Zimbra via XMPP (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:51] <yourfriendisaac> Yeah, i'll do that
[15:51] <hggdh> thank you
[15:54] <hggdh> bil21al: done, thank you
[15:54] <bil21al> hggdh: thanks to you
[15:54] <bil21al> sir
[17:47] <bil21al> any body please set its status to triaged and importance to low
[17:47] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/903779
[17:47] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 903779 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "When typing more than one line in a room or in chat the window will enlarge towards the downward (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:50] <kamusin> bil21al: done
[17:50] <bil21al> thanks
[21:43] <maxb> !shaft neill maxb 1900 hitw camembert / duck
[21:43] <ubot4`> maxb: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:43] <maxb> oops
[22:15] <SAAB_DRAKEN> i dont know if this is a legit bug or not
[22:15] <SAAB_DRAKEN> but the swap partition no longer asks for a password with encryption
[22:16] <SAAB_DRAKEN> like it asks for sda5 (/) but not sda6 (swap)


[00:01] <Unit193> Well, at least likes Xubuntu. :)
[02:08] <ali1234> i think atril may have a memory leak https://imgur.com/vCF99x9.png
[11:23] <jphilips> bluesabre: is xubuntu-default-settings a git repo, as i'd like to begin submitting patches to it
[11:50] <bluesabre> jphilips: sure is, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/+git/xubuntu-default-settings/+ref/master
[11:55] <jphilips> bluesabre: okay great, as i went here and saw nothing https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings
[11:56] <bluesabre> jphilips: yeah, anything with `/ubuntu/+source` is code directly related to ubuntu packages instead of normal source code. It's a bit confusing :\
[12:28] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks. what is the recommended method of submitting patches as i don't have push access


[08:51] <vigo> nick vigo|afk
[08:55] <davmor2> vigo: you might want a / in front of nick :P
[09:00] <vigo> davmor2, thanks :)
[11:37] <greyback> attente: hey, I'm seeing graphics rendering fails in some gtk apps on unity7, apps like "giggle" or "gitg" render some corrupted views - example: http://imgur.com/a/C5EJd
[11:38] <greyback> any clues where I could investigate?
[11:39] <greyback> interestingly it renders just fine if I use Mir :)
[11:40] <attente> greyback: whoa. haven't seen that before. was that the result of scrolling?
[11:40] <greyback> attente: yeah
[11:42] <attente> greyback: is that with the archive version of gtk+ or from source?
[11:42] <attente> also, does it happen with other gtkscrolledwindows or just that one?
[11:45] <greyback> attente: I'm running zesty archive. I also see it in "gitg" when viewing diffs
[11:45] <greyback> so whatever scroll view that contains diffs seems to have trouble
[11:46] <attente> ok. i'm also on z, but can't reproduce that...
[11:47] <attente> maybe it's a theming issue where the background of the container isn't drawn properly


[03:10] <Cheri703> o/
[04:37]  * Cheri703 sits on irc on friday night, as usual :)
[04:38] <Cheri703> my SUPER AWESOME FUN social life strikes again ;)
[05:40] <SkrappJaw> hello...
[06:10]  * Cheri703 is actually being productive \\o/
[06:11] <Cheri703> hopefully tomorrow goes smoothly and I can continue on this streak :)
[13:50] <dmcglone> Top of the morning all :-)
[14:18] <ronnoc> good morning
[14:21] <dmcglone> Hello ronnoc
[14:23] <ronnoc> hey dmcglone
[14:26] <dmcglone> What ya up to this morning?
[14:46] <ronnoc> waking up :p
[14:47] <ronnoc> about to make breakfast. then website work. how about you?
[14:50] <dmcglone> I've been sitting here reading the news and following whats been going on with them lulz hackers
[14:50] <dmcglone> I wouldn't call em hackers so to speak.
[14:51] <dmcglone> what website are you working on?
[14:57] <ronnoc> my company's Drupal site.  I'm just interested in finding out what will happen to them once they are caught.
[15:04] <ronnoc> well it will be interesting. they were probably not really that sought after until they started hacking Gov't websites. That will certainly raise them on the radar level.
[15:12] <canthus13> ronnoc: Meh. One of their own already got busted and started turning in the others.
[15:12] <dmcglone> Ah cool, where's that news at?
[15:13]  * canthus13 gonna have to find it again, was reading it yesterday. :)
[15:13] <dmcglone> Thanks :-)
[15:15] <canthus13> dmcglone: Meh. looks like it was a rumor... But they've been arresting Anonymous hackers.
[15:15] <canthus13> http://techland.time.com/2011/06/16/as-lulzsec-claims-cia-coup-anonymous-hackers-arrested-worldwide/
[15:15] <dmcglone> Ah Ok
[15:18] <dmcglone> it's groups like this that give us a bad name!
[15:18] <ronnoc> canthus13: isn't that the guy that lolz guy wasn't even a member
[15:20] <ronnoc> *said'
[15:25] <ronnoc> i read the article. nevermind lol.
[16:18] <canthus13> Unit193BeGone: I've created ##openbox-desktop for now... (Anyone else interested in an openbox metapackage is welcome to join as well...)
[16:27] <_bbb> i like openbox
[16:29] <_bbb> great on netbooks
[16:29] <_bbb> i had issues with natty/unity on my thinkpad so i went with crunchbang instead
[16:35] <canthus13> _bbb: Unity blows.
[16:36] <canthus13> I don't really want to switch to another distro because of it, so I switched to Openbox.  There seems to be some interest in it, so I'm going to try to put together an openbox metapackage (and possibly an official version in the future...)
[16:41] <_bbb> i couldnt get fglrx to work right on natty
[16:41] <_bbb> wifi did not work out the box on crunchbang
[16:41] <_bbb> thats debian tho
[16:42] <_bbb> so built module from source from realtek website
[16:42] <_bbb> and fglrx too
[16:42] <_bbb> like butter now
[16:50] <canthus13> _bbb: Hmmm.. I'm not using natty yet... mainly because I can't get it to install properly in virtualbox or vmware player...
[16:50] <canthus13> That'll change once I have a machine to dedicate to this project.
[16:51] <_bbb> i got it on one of my desktop machines
[16:51] <_bbb> unity works ok there
[16:51] <_bbb> its grown on me a bit
[16:51] <canthus13> I can't stand unity. :(
[16:51] <_bbb> like a fungus
[16:52] <canthus13> Heh.
[17:41] <Cheri703> I actually marked things off on my BATDL!! (Big ...Butt To Do List)
[18:34] <canthus13> Heh.
[18:59] <Cheri703> and I got NFS working :)
[19:01] <canthus13> Awesome.  It's much easier than samba. :)
[19:01] <Cheri703> yeah
[19:02] <Cheri703> this will let me clean up and not have 3 copies of the same file in 3 different locations \o/
[19:02] <canthus13> :D
[21:39] <deejoe> yeah, if you're running all Unix-ish stuff, and you either have a directory service, or not that many machines to keep the accounts synched on, NFS can be a delight compared to samba
[21:39] <deejoe> Cheri703: NFSv3 or v4?
[21:39] <Cheri703> 4
[21:39] <deejoe> wow
[21:39] <Cheri703> I guess
[21:40] <deejoe> you got the Kerberos stuff going and all?
[21:40] <Cheri703> *shrug* whatever installed
[21:40] <deejoe> or whatever the auth stuff is.
[21:40] <Cheri703> uhm...no?
[21:40] <deejoe> haha, ok
[21:40]  * deejoe is a little scared of v4
[21:40] <deejoe> but nevermind all that, I've got to go pick up take-out dinner now ;-)
[23:18] <canthus13> v4 is fine.
[23:18] <canthus13> It works without kerberos.
[23:30] <Cheri703> so far it does :)
[23:31] <Cheri703> at least I guess it's v4