[00:06] <nonameNN> i cant see "extract here" on my dolphin menus, what am i missing?
[00:11] <tamran> hi guys, anyone here install Pioneers?
[00:12] <tamran> I'm curious why it wants to install so many packages
[00:14] <thesteo82> everytime i get a notification in the bottom corner, like when a message comes in, i get it popping up 3 times, everytime
[00:14] <thesteo82> anyone else seen that?
[00:14] <Typos_King> I don't use it tamran
[00:14] <santosh> Hello everyone
[00:14] <Typos_King> allo santosh
[00:15] <santosh> I am having problems editing a file, due to user rights, how can I get all right, I do know the pass for root
[00:15] <Typos_King> thesteo82.... yes and no, I get notifications, no 3 times per each, then again, when I've used kde WM, I don't use the WM, I use another :)
[00:15] <santosh> or is there a way to get rights to edit the file
[00:15] <Typos_King> santosh:     sudo kate;   open it there :)
[00:16] <robin0800> santosh: kdesudo atcually
[00:17] <Typos_King> gksudo either
[00:17] <robin0800> Typos_King: you should not use sudo for graphical applications
[00:17] <santosh> santosh# kdesudo kate
[00:17] <santosh> No protocol specified
[00:17] <santosh> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0
[00:17] <Typos_King> robin0800:    ... anything wrong?
[00:17] <santosh> Typos_King: thats the error i git
[00:17] <santosh> got
[00:17] <Typos_King> I mean... I have, haven't broken anything yet
[00:18] <robin0800> Typos_King: Yes aparently it can mess up permissions
[00:19] <Typos_King> robin0800:       hasn't for me... and I use Geany rooted for say, editing some files in /etc
[00:19] <Typos_King> in fact, I just checked one I did, the permisions are fine
[00:20] <Typos_King> santosh    then try the kdesudo kate; ->  /usr/bin/kdesudo kate
[00:20] <Typos_King> erk
[00:20] <Typos_King> one sec
[00:20] <Typos_King> santosh   is -> kdesu kate;
[00:21] <Typos_King> gksudo is probably there too, if you wish to use it
[00:21] <robin0800> Typos_King: http://linux.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=linux&cdn=compute&tm=31&f=00&su=p284.9.336.ip_p504.1.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[00:25] <Typos_King> robin0800:    they make a 'poor' sale on the 'advantages' section, since all that's enforcable on a 'root' or regular account
[00:25] <Typos_King> I mean, I had a root on SuSE10, and never had any issues, and quit often I 'su root' did what needed, and got out
[00:27] <Typos_King> I'm guessing there might be some unforeseen good reason, I think my book gave one..... can't recall, but I didn't find it that great of an 'advantage'
[00:27] <tamran> ok, here's something annoying
[00:28] <tamran> I compile pioneers on another machine, then made a package and installed it on this machine fine.  If I try to install the same version in the repos, it wants to install 59 other packages (57 of which are not pioneers related).  I've played with it and it works just fine
[00:28] <tamran> am I going to have to do this with every (tiny) gnome app I install in order to avoice bloat?
[00:31] <Typos_King> heh
[00:31] <Typos_King> tamran:     those are called 'dependencies' :P
[00:32] <Typos_King> the difference between compiling one whole .rpm or .deb package, is that the one package will be say, 10mbs in one file, the 'tiny' ones are separated packaged dependencies which are brought up by packages who need it
[00:33] <Typos_King> and most likely the bunch of 'tiny' ones amount to about the same 10mbs as the big one
[00:34] <Typos_King> tamran:    when installing a package, the package manager checks what it needs, what's already installed, and substract what's installed and only 'fetches' what's not already installed off the list
[00:40] <tamran> Typos_King: after checking it was trying to install way more than it needs ...
[00:40] <tamran> it was trying to install half of gnome
[00:40] <Typos_King> tamran:     sounds like it's a gnome app, thus it'd need gnome libs, so
[00:40] <Typos_King> that's understandable
[00:41] <tamran> but I installed the 1mb package and the program works fine ... I suspect the "requirements" are being over generalized
[00:41] <tamran> perhaps I'll have a problem someday with it, not sure ... but on 9.10 it didn't need any of that stuff
[00:42] <tamran> perhaps this is a lucid questino
[00:42] <tamran> so I'll ask there
[00:42] <Curly_Q> I would like to edit copy paste with ssh Tectia Windows Client. I am now in root@hostname. I would like to give myself permissions to edit anything I need for Apache2. What is the chown or chmod command for that?
[00:43] <Typos_King> ahh lucid
[00:43] <Typos_King> is in alpha3 afaik......soooo
[00:44] <Typos_King> maybe is a newer version of the app, who knows
[00:45] <faultline> Ok i need some serious help...
[00:45] <Typos_King> Curly_Q:    what's Apache2?
[00:46] <Curly_Q> The latest Kubuntu Apache2.
[00:47] <faultline> I cant seem to dual boot windows 7 or even reformat or use my factory recovery- I have also tried other boot disks for various forms of windows, I get a file system error...
[00:47] <Typos_King> Curly_Q:     soooooo, what do you need?
[00:48] <tamran> how does one add a launcher to the panel? I have a program that doesn't have an icon
[00:48] <Curly_Q> Just to ssh and delete anything in this directory and be able to add new sub directories:   /usr/share/apache2/default-site/index.html
[00:49] <Typos_King> tamran:    drag n drop, the icon off the menu
[00:49] <tamran> well, it's for a special application (using screen and some other commands to a script)
[00:49] <tamran> so I want to add a "special" command
[00:50] <Typos_King> Curly_Q:    I'm assuming you have permissions to it.... I'd think in SSH it'd the same as in bash -> rm -fr /usr/share/apache2/
[00:50] <Typos_King> well
[00:50] <Curly_Q> Maybe edit the .hpasswrd file and a few other things pertaining to a web page. Also in the future to add an ircd daemon.
[00:50] <Typos_King> yeah
[00:50] <sam_> hey
[00:51] <Typos_King> tamran:   make it a script and call it from the shortcut :)
[00:51] <tamran> Typos_King: ok, so just add any apps icon like normal and then just modify it?
[00:51] <Curly_Q> I am in root so I don't see why I cannot just copy and paste or delete   rwx into it.
[00:52] <Typos_King> tamran:    yeah, that works too, you can edit it
[00:52] <Curly_Q> I did a sudo -i and have root@hostname
[00:53] <Curly_Q> When copying and pasting or deleting, access is denied.
[00:53] <Typos_King> then I guess you don't have permissions to it
[00:53] <Typos_King> or your'e not root'ed, who knows
[00:54] <Curly_Q> How would I give myself permissions for that?
[00:54] <faultline> I cant seem to dual boot windows 7 or even reformat or use my factory recovery- I have also tried other boot disks for various forms of windows, I get a file system error...can anyonwe help me figure out why?
[00:55] <Curly_Q> I just installed Kubuntu. It started me off with one password entry and not like old Red Hat where it asked for root password and /usr password.
[00:56] <Typos_King> faultline:   well, what's specifically happening, other than the fact it isn't dual booting
[00:56] <Curly_Q> I did the login with the only usr and did a sudo into root and got  usr@hostname   not with sudo -i it is root@hostname.
[00:56] <Typos_King> Curly_Q:    once in an SSH session logged into a remote box, the permissions that apply are the ones granted/set on the remote box to the logged in account
[00:57] <faultline> It wont dual boot, I cant reformat the drive, i cant use my factory recovery disk to bring back windows (I cant make wine work)  and no one can tell me what the hell to do -.-
[00:58] <smokealot> why cant you format the drive and install an os?
[00:58] <Typos_King> faultline:   well, what's specifically happening, other than the fact it isn't dual booting
[00:58] <faultline> Error 1005.
[00:59] <Typos_King> faultline:   we got that part that it doesn't boot, but that doesn't tell us how it happens
[00:59] <faultline> And....
[00:59] <faultline> Ok, i put in the disk.  It starts up, gets to 'partion confirmation' and gives me error 1005
[01:00] <Typos_King> sooooooo
[01:00] <Typos_King> it never installed kubuntu?
[01:00] <Typos_King> 9.1? 8.x?
[01:00] <faultline> ...Im on kubuntu.  9.1.  Windows wont load at all so I can at least dual boot, and the only thing other then that that I have is my factory recovery disk
[01:00] <faultline> Which won't even work, nothign really does since I switched to kubuntu...
[01:01] <mefisto__> faultline: is there a windows entry in the grub menu?
[01:02] <faultline> I don't know man :/
[01:02] <faultline> Im completely lost in this linuxy world.
[01:02] <mefisto__> faultline: so what are you doing to try booting windows??
[01:03] <Curly_Q> Faultline, I can tell you what I did for that problem. I had to first use an old Windows98 boot disk with SMART on it. Then in the command prompt, run smart.exe twice with CD support. Use fdisk and delete the partitions first. Make sure you set the BIOS settings to see your other hard drive if there is one. Make sure when you use the fdisk use the command fdisk/mbr. Then you can delete with fdisk all of the partitions and create a lo
[01:04] <mefisto__> it should look something like this, with linux entries and an entry at the bottom for windows: http://www.davestechsupport.com/blog/images/grub.png
[01:04] <smokealot> faultline you tried loading your cd/dvd rom first with the windows cd in it?
[01:05] <Curly_Q> Then format the windows partition with Windows and install Windows there. With the second logical partition, use Linux.
[01:06] <smokealot> best bet is to killdisk your hd and make your cdr/dvdr boot first with the windows/recovery cd in it
[01:09] <Curly_Q> Faultline, the only thing to remember is that when Windows installs such as XP it will create a second partition for its OS.
[01:09] <faultline> What I am attemptign to do is go back to windows because I cant make WinE work with Requiem: Memento Mori -OR- City of Heroes/Villains EVEN THOUGH I am following directions as told on the site :/
[01:13] <Curly_Q> Faultline, one more Tech Tip is that once you install especially Windows, use a software such as Acronis which will back not only your data but it will back all of the sectors and partitions as well. When Windows does crash or gets a virus and it will, you can put right back on your hard drive a mirror image of your stuff. Always backup before installing anything.
[01:14] <Curly_Q> Start brand new and back up all of your data first. Make sure you slave your hard drive to recover any valuable data first.
[01:16] <sherman_> Hi, all.....I'm having some problems with my kde install.....Fresh install, yet, it has continuous issues with both shutting down and restart. Often it will simply count down, the music will almost play, and thats it. I have to use the poweer button to get it to shut down. ANy ideas or suggestions?
[01:16] <Typos_King> 8.x? 7.x?
[01:17] <sherman_> 9.10
[01:18] <sherman_> I dont know which versio  of KDE....WHichever one is installed with the kubuntu-desktop.
[01:18] <Typos_King> right
[01:18] <Typos_King> well
[01:18] <Typos_King> is nothing new
[01:19] <Typos_King> just the drivers   I gather
[01:20] <boessleep> nn all :w
[01:20] <sherman_> Thats not really helping me solve it. =)
[01:20] <sherman_> Night, boessleep
[01:20] <mefisto__> sherman_: so it's never shut down or restarted properly, ever?
[01:21] <Typos_King> heheh
[01:21] <sherman_> mefisto__: It has a few times, but not very often.
[01:21] <mefisto__> sherman_: can you log out and get back to the login screen (kdm)?
[01:22] <sherman_> I hadnt tried that.....JUst restart and shutdown
[01:22] <Typos_King> heheh
[01:22] <sherman_> Gimme a few minutes and I'll see.
[01:22] <mefisto__> sherman_: because it sounds like it's logging out properly, which happens before shutdown
[01:23] <mefisto__> *not* logging out
[01:26] <sherman> Nope, not logging out properly either, mefisto__. I had to shutdown via power button again.
[01:28] <smokealot> did you apt-get upgrade after the fresh install?
[01:28] <sherman> mefisto__: ll logout did was partially terminate some process'.
[01:28] <sherman> smokealot: I didnt know I needed to......Leme try it.
[01:29] <sherman> smokealot: Said nothing needed upgrading.
[01:29] <smokealot> i had the same problem a while back i did an entire system upgrade and it worked fine just after
[01:29] <mefisto__> smokealot: same here
[01:30] <mefisto__> smokealot: I also smoke quite a bit :)
[01:30] <sherman> I started with a basic gnome install, did the updates, then installed kubuntu-desktop....
[01:31] <smokealot> i smoke 3 packs a day almost :/
[01:31] <smokealot> plus my marryjane
[01:31] <mefisto__> mr smokestoomuch
[01:32] <Curly_Q> Open up a Terminal and just type:   halt    <-------<    Computer will shut down.
[01:32] <sherman> Been having this problem since then.  This is non-negotiable.
[01:33] <Typos_King> ...  I usually do -> sudo poweroff
[01:33] <sherman> smokealot: Yes, gdm
[01:34] <mefisto__> sudo shutdown now, or sudo reboot would be better.
[01:34] <smokealot> you should try using kdm instead of gdm
[01:36] <sherman> OK, so we can quit with the advice of using command line shutdowns, this system is not mine, its for a windows user, and the gui functions need to work. This is also the first time I have ever run into this problem.
[01:37] <sherman> Thats why I am here looking for advice on it. =)
[01:38] <mefisto__> sherman: kdm instead of gdm, as smokealot said
[01:39] <sherman> Yes, I switched when I installed kde in the first place. Sorry, I misread earlier.
[01:40] <Firefishe> I'm experiencing a strange matter with grub:  Everytime I do a kernel upgrade, the kernel gets installed, but menu.lst is never updated with the new kernel entry after the new update/install process.  I always end up editing menu.lst manually.  This works, but is rather vexing, considering that it should do it automatically.
[01:40] <smokealot> update-grub
[01:41] <Firefishe> smokealot:  Well, that thing is, as the new packages are being updated, that particular part is run automatically when it installs.  I reboot the system for such upgrades, anyway, but when I get the new boot menu, the new kernel entry is never there.  It just started doing this.
[01:42] <Firefishe> smokealot:  I'm just wondering if it's a grub-vs-grub2 something or other.  I use grub not grub 2
[01:44] <smokealot> do you install the kernel with dpkg ?
[01:44] <sherman> Any other ideas on where the issues might be?
[01:44] <mefisto__> sherman: is this a laptop?
[01:44] <sherman> mefisto__: Yes.
[01:45] <sherman> An older Toshiba.
[01:45] <mefisto__> sherman: and I assume it has wireless? can you switch wireless off on the laptop?
[01:45] <smokealot> ahh yes
[01:46] <sherman> Hmmm
[01:46] <sherman> I guess I can......
[01:47] <smokealot> sherman if nothing els works, remove both kde/gnome gdm/kdm and install just one ):
[01:48] <sherman> OK, switching it off via the external switch kinda fails....
[01:51] <mefisto__> ifconfig wlan0 down  before shutting down will turn it off. if shutdown is normal after that, you can insert that command in a shutdown script so the wireless doesn't get in the way of the shutdown process
[01:52] <sherman> Thanks, mefisto__, lemme see if that helps any.
[01:54] <mefisto__> sherman: that's assuming the wireless device name is wlan. it usually is, but not always
[01:55] <faultline> This is seriously annoying me
[01:55] <faultline> My pc was fine at doin crap until I installed Kubuntu 9.1 and now I cannot reformat my drive at all because of some stupid file system error that never existed before...
[01:56] <xjjk> faultline: filesystem error?
[01:56] <faultline> Yaeh.  1005 or whatnot.  Not my disk, its in perfect condition.
[01:56] <faultline> Im usin my factory restore
[01:56] <xjjk> what's reporting that
[01:56] <xjjk> factory restore?
[01:56] <faultline> And it won't restore because of file system error
[01:56] <faultline> YEah
[01:57] <xjjk> you're blaming linux/kubuntu for problems in your OEMs factory restore software?
[01:57] <faultline> Give me a good reason it randomly have that error?
[01:57] <smokealot> faultline format your hd with killdisk
[01:57] <smokealot> reinstall windows
[01:58] <xjjk> faultline: the software is buggy/has problems?
[01:58] <mefisto__> faultline: are you sure windows won't boot?
[01:58] <faultline> Yes
[01:58] <faultline> im sure it wont boot.
[01:58] <faultline> Or I wouldnt be here lol, Ive been tryin to boot or restore since 8am today
[01:58] <faultline> thats 12 hours
[01:59] <faultline> o.o
[01:59] <mefisto__> faultline: because I asked earlier if you have a windows entry in the grub menu, and you said "I don't know"
[02:01] <Brhad56> speaking of grub.  I find it a bit annoying that I see like 8 different linux kernels i can choose from.  Is there a way to make it default to say like maybe 2 or 3?
[02:01] <smokealot> faultline some windows recovery cds will not install over linux
[02:01] <smokealot> format your hard drive
[02:02] <smokealot> thats all
[02:02] <mefisto__> faultline: do you have any windows install disks? XP, win98, anything?
[02:02] <xjjk> Brhad56: yeah... that is annoying
[02:02] <xjjk> Brhad56: AFAIK the only way is to remove older kernels
[02:02] <mefisto__> Brhad56: you could uninstall the kernels you don't need
[02:04] <Brhad56> mefisto__: is there a front-end to doing so?   ;)  I know that, silly, I'm referring to the *operational characteristics* of course.
[02:32] <smokealot> don't be mad it's your fault for not reading the topic frank
[02:32] <xjjk> Firefishe: well, they're both boot loaders...
[02:32] <smokealot> ask your question in english someone might be able to help
[02:32] <xjjk> Firefishe: mostly, the difference is engineering/political
[02:32] <xjjk> Firefishe: grub-legacy is no longer maintained
[02:32] <xjjk> grub2 is everyone's love child that's getting active development, new features, etc
[02:32] <OutBackDingo> anyone in here possible help recover from last nights lucid updates
[02:33] <xjjk> grub-legacy has more documentation; grub2's documentation is lacking
[02:33] <frank____> Zadrobl
[02:33] <xjjk> grub2 also has a nice number of bugs
[02:33] <xjjk> as well as some new features (CD image booting, etc)
[02:34] <Firefishe> xjjk:  Ok, let me put this another way.  I recently updated to 9.10 from 9.04.  During the upgrade, it failed.  I had to finish it off using a combination of multiple instances of `sudo apt-get upgrade' and `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'; I continued this until I was certain that my system was, indeed, 9.10 and not a 9.04 'frankensystem.'
[02:34] <xjjk> Firefishe: er, so you were using apt-get to upgrade?
[02:35] <bigtom21485> anyone compared ubuntu to kubuntu?
[02:35] <bigtom21485> not sure which one i want
[02:35] <xjjk> bigtom21485: everyone in here is going to tell you Kubuntu
[02:35] <smokealot> lol
[02:36] <smokealot> i think Kubuntu is better
[02:36] <Daughain> bigtom21485: Defone compare/ =)
[02:36] <smokealot> because i like kde better (:
[02:36] <Firefishe> xjjk:  Not intially.  I was using the standard update manager, but the upgrade failed in mid-stream.  I had no choice but to use the aformentioned methods.  Yesterday, I had the pleasure of assisting, locally, a gentleman with a new install of 9.10.  He had it on some type of Dell laptop, and I was intrigued to see that grub2 was--probably--installed by default.
[02:36] <tyfon> you can have both desktops in at the same time ;)
[02:36] <xjjk> Firefishe: grub2 is installed by default in 9.04 afaik
[02:36] <OutBackDingo> smokealot: yeah but not after lucid updates last night, its time for a new distro
[02:37] <xjjk> Firefishe: using apt-get is the source of it's own problems... it's not supported at all for upgrading between releases
[02:37] <OutBackDingo> lock me out of my laptop oonce and youll be deleted
[02:37] <smokealot> OutBackDingo: whats wrong?
[02:37] <OutBackDingo> lucid updates from last night, no longer get a console login or kdm
[02:38] <xjjk> Firefishe: it was made default because grub2 supports ext4, which I think ubuntu wants to transition to as the default
[02:38] <xjjk> the old grub also gets little/no updates
[02:38] <OutBackDingo> just freezes at the damn splash screen
[02:38] <Firefishe> xjjk: Still, it is the defacto 'standard' of debian-distro-based, command line package management, and considering that one *must* use dpkg, itself, for installing certain stand-alone .deb's, why apt-get wouldn't continue to be supported is beyond me.  This *is* gnu/linux, after all.
[02:38] <xjjk> OutBackDingo: have you figured out where it's freezing?
[02:38] <xjjk> OutBackDingo: you shouldn't be using lucid if you don't know how to diagnose/debug these problems, BTW
[02:38] <OutBackDingo> xjjk: cant do anything, cany escape from the splash screen at all
[02:39] <xjjk> Firefishe: well, it doesn't matter... it's not supported
[02:39] <xjjk> OutBackDingo: on the grub command line remove "quiet" and add "nosplash"
[02:39] <OutBackDingo> xjjk: yeah nice comment, ive been running linux since 0.96
[02:39] <xjjk> ...so you should know better than use development releases
[02:39] <Firefishe> xjjk: Well, not officially, but the *community* is what I'm interested in, not so much commercial establishement (which is why I'm here, and not talking to Canonical, as-it-were.)
[02:40] <xjjk> Firefishe: well, my experience is that it works so unreliably, I just don't use it
[02:40] <OutBackDingo> xjjk: right, im a developer, jeez im not an idiot, just asked for information
[02:41] <sherman> OK, still no luck on the shutdown/reboot issue......Any other ideas?
[02:41] <xjjk> OutBackDingo: I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but don't expect much of a warm welcome when you're threating to change distros
[02:41] <xjjk> especially when the fault is essentially yours for using a development distribution and not knowing how to fix it
[02:41] <xjjk> Firefishe: er, so, how does this relate to your grub question again?
[02:41] <Firefishe> OutBackDingo:  What version are you using?
[02:41] <OutBackDingo> xjjk: well it kinda threw me since i had important data i needed today, and it is the first time ive ever gotten locked out completely
[02:42] <xjjk> OutBackDingo: did you get any useful information from booting without the splash/non-quiet mode
[02:42] <Firefishe> xjjk:  I wanted to know why, when I upgrade my kernel image, that the new kernel never appears in the /boot/grub/menu.lst after the install/reboot process.
[02:42] <OutBackDingo> xjjk: nope in windows now have to reboot to check it
[02:42] <OutBackDingo> brb
[02:42] <xjjk> Firefishe: /boot/grub/menu.lst is not used anymore
[02:43] <xjjk> Firefishe: check /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:43] <Firefishe> I can see the update-grub command being run, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
[02:43] <xjjk> Firefishe: also, don't edit that file directly... configuration is controlled by /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub
[02:44] <Firefishe> xjjk:  Unfortunately, I've had to edit menu.lst manually, carefully copying the previous entries, save for the new kernel parameters.  All the files are there, it just won't do it using update-grub.
[02:44] <xjjk> Firefishe: are you using grub1 or grub2 as your bootloader?
[02:44] <Firefishe> xjjk:  I'm not using grub1.
[02:44] <Firefishe> nix that
[02:44] <Firefishe> I'm *using* grub1, not grub2.
[02:44] <xjjk> Firefishe: ah
[02:44] <xjjk> Firefishe: remove grub2
[02:44] <Firefishe> it's not installed
[02:44] <xjjk> and reinstall grub-legacy (that's the new package name)
[02:46] <Firefishe> xjjk:  I've got synaptic up, and it's not grub-legacy on my system, just grub.
[02:46] <xjjk> Firefishe: what version are you using? grub should be a transitional package that installs grub-legacy
[02:47] <Firefishe> version of kubuntu?
[02:47] <xjjk> Firefishe: probably, I'd purge all installed versions of grub (and backup/remove your config files)
[02:47] <xjjk> and then reinstall what you want
[02:47] <Firefishe> wb obd
[02:47] <xjjk> Firefishe: er, nevermind.. it's grub-legacy in Debian, not Ubuntu
[02:47] <xjjk> "grub" is grub1
[02:47] <Firefishe> xjjk:  ah, I see
[02:47] <OutBackDingo> xjjk: hrmmm seems removing them i now get into kdm
[02:48] <OutBackDingo> wonder if the spalsh os broken
[02:48] <xjjk> OutBackDingo: maybe something buggy with the splash
[02:48] <xjjk> OutBackDingo: you should try to diagnose that...
[02:48] <Firefishe> I've already tried grub2, and it seemed to work okay.  I just didn't know where the new menu entry file was.  What did you say it was again?  /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[02:48] <xjjk> Firefishe: yes
[02:48] <Firefishe> is `update-grub' still the command used to update it?
[02:49] <xjjk> yes
[02:49] <xjjk> technically update-grub2
[02:49] <Firefishe> xjjk:  Thank you, that clarifies a lot of things.
[02:49] <Firefishe> ah...makes sense
[02:49] <xjjk> update-grub will symlink to update-grub2 if grub2 is your default; else it'll be the grub1 updater
[02:49] <xjjk> which is probably what's wrong
[02:49] <xjjk> you're using grub1 but update-grub is updating grub2 config files only because it thinks you're using that, not grub1
[02:50] <Firefishe> ah...I see.
[02:50] <Firefishe> Now, one thing I noticed:  During the grub2 installation sequence, it asked me--and I set it up subsequently--to chainload grub2 from the grub1 menu structure.  Should I just avoid this and install grub2 as the default boot loader?
[02:51] <xjjk> the chainloading thing is a check to make sure grub2 actually works
[02:51] <xjjk> which you may want todo
[02:51] <Firefishe> I see...
[02:51] <xjjk> it'll load grub1; from there you can select to load grub2; from there it boots the OS
[02:51] <Firefishe> xjjk: If it works, then what is the process to make it the default bootloader, and remove grub1's stuff?
[02:52] <xjjk> Firefishe: I'm not sure... but purging all packages and then installing only what you want should do it
[02:52] <Firefishe> I *can* edit menu.lst indefinitely if need be, but whyyyyyy ;)?
[02:52] <Firefishe> xjjk:  purging via the command line, as in:  sudo apt-get remove filename --purge  ??
[02:53] <xjjk> Firefishe: I really would use aptitude instead of apt-get directly
[02:53] <Firefishe> xjjk:  aptitude's commands puzzle me.  I'm familiar with apt-get.
[02:53] <xjjk> Firefishe: well, up to you
[02:53] <Firefishe> xjjk:   I'll do a manpage lookup
[02:53] <xjjk> I don't like using apt-get directly, it's a little opaque
[02:53] <tamran> does anyone know how to find out what exactly python is running?
[02:54] <xjjk> it's easy to do things that will screw up things
[02:54] <Firefishe> xjjk:  aptitude's been apt-get's replacement for some time now.  It's about time I figured it out, anyway.
[02:54] <xjjk> Firefishe: it's not a replacement
[02:54] <tamran> right now, python is using over 30mb of ram, and I wanted to just see what it's doing
[02:54] <xjjk> apt-get is supposed to be a low-level tool
[02:54] <xjjk> aptitude is a high-level tool
[02:54] <Firefishe> xjjk:  Well, dpkg is really low-level, but I still use it to install some .deb's I may need, now and again.
[02:55] <Firefishe> xjjk: I'm really quite careful.
[02:55] <xjjk> yes, dpkg is even lower level than apt-get
[02:55] <Firefishe> xjjk:  but sometimes it is the right tool for the job-at-hand.  I don't use it often, as most of the stock stuff works fine.
[02:56] <Firefishe> I work with some weird things now and again, however, and sometimes I just need certain files.  If there's a suitable .deb, I use it, if not, compile it, etc.
[02:56] <sherman> Any idea what would cause Leave/Shutdown or reboot to fail??
[02:56] <Firefishe> xjjk:  I do try to keep the weird stuff separate from the mainstream libraries, if at all possible.  Just good practice, imho.
[03:02] <Firefishe> brb
[03:03] <tamran> can anyone name a decent (preferably light weight) torrent client for kde other than ktorrent or transmission?
[03:03] <tamran> preferably something that works with magnet links
[03:05] <xjjk> tamran: did you want a GUI?
[03:05] <xjjk> I'd recommend transmission honestly
[03:05] <tamran> xjjk: preferably, yeah
[03:05] <tamran> xjjk: I could do one inside I screen session I guess
[03:06] <xjjk> rtorrent?
[03:06] <tamran> thanks xjjk, looking now
[03:06] <tamran> ahh, it's ncurses
[03:07] <tamran> this could work
[03:07] <xjjk> tamran: what did you not like about transmission
[03:07] <tamran> xjjk: I like it, but two issues in KDE
[03:07] <tamran> 1) magnet links don't work (I think that's more a kde setup thing because out of the box it works in gnome)
[03:08] <tamran> 2) it has no setting (in qt version) to make it sit in my status bar on the panel
[03:08] <xjjk> tamran: I see... seem like GUI issues
[03:08] <tamran> two not so small things, but I keep closing it fully by accident, when I really just want to minimize it (force of habbit)
[03:08] <xjjk> I don't regularly use the GUI myself
[03:08] <xjjk> I use the command-line interface
[03:09] <tamran> no problem
[03:09] <tamran> I'm in irssi so I know what you mean
[03:09] <xjjk> well, transmission-remote (the command-line client) isn't interactive
[03:09] <xjjk> i.e. no ncurses or anything
[03:10] <Matisse> hi
[03:10] <Matisse> when will kde 4.4 be part of kubuntu?
[03:10] <xjjk> in the next release
[03:10] <tamran> Matisse: you can get it with 9.10 if you want it
[03:11] <tamran> Matisse: check the news feed in the kubuntu page and they say how to get it with 9.10
[03:11] <tamran> Matisse: there'll be a few "bumps" when you do it that way though, but are easily fixable
[03:11] <Matisse> ok, ill have a look
[03:12] <Matisse> thx
[03:12] <tamran> np, good luck
[03:12] <sherman> Any ideas about why I cant reboot this system via the gui?
[03:13] <tamran> sherman: did you just do a heavy upgrade? I had that problem earlier today
[03:14] <sherman> I did a fresh install, not an upgrade..
[03:14] <tamran> oh
[03:14] <tamran> did you update after?
[03:14] <tamran> when I did a load of kde updates I was not able to reboot with the button
[03:15] <sherman> Yup. Update software sources and os.
[03:15] <tamran> have you rebooted since (via command line)?
[03:15] <sherman> I get occasional times when it reboots or shuts down properly, but most of the time it doesnt.....Manually shutting down wifi doesnt help, nor did removing gnome help.
[03:16] <sherman> Yup, rebooted a couple of times via cl./
[03:16] <tamran> ok
[03:16] <tamran> dang, sorry man
[03:16] <sherman> NO big deal, eventually someone will have some more ideas. =)
[03:16] <tamran> you could probably use a button on the panel to do it that uses ksudo and the command for a workaround
[03:16] <tamran> but that doesn't sound good :(
[03:17] <sherman> Not really. I'm setting this one up for someone switching from windows, so, I need everything to work.
[03:17] <tamran> what are you running? kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:17] <sherman> The amusing part is, done 8 setups, and never seen this problem before.
[03:17] <tamran> probably a silly question since thsi is kubuntu channel
[03:18] <reboot09> Hi all
[03:18] <sherman> Ubuntu install, installed kubuntu-desktop from term, removed gnome via term....All the updates, etc......Ever since I booted into kubuntu I have had this issue....Andm it seems to degrade, the longer I am in kde.
[03:19] <reboot09> im having a problem grabbong BitchX
[03:19] <tamran> sherman: I know what you mean ... I've had nothing but issues diong that stuff myself.  Once with xubuntu even \
[03:19] <reboot09> got 404 error  wget http://www.bitchx.com/download/Bitch...l-linux.tar.gz
[03:20] <reboot09> any help?
[03:20] <tamran> since it's a fresh install, are you willing to install kubuntu straight away? it might fix things a bit?
[03:20] <sherman> tamran: This is the first time I have ever had any issue installing kubuntu.
[03:20] <sherman> Andm of course it is on a system for someone else. =)
[03:20] <tamran> sherman: but did you do Ubuntu -> Kubuntu. or just Kubuntu straight from CD?
[03:21] <sherman> Ubuntu->Kubuntu......Same way I do all my installs.
[03:21] <reboot09> never mind works now sorry to jump in
[03:22] <tamran> sherman: that has never worked for me ... I stopped even tryign that
[03:22] <sherman> No worries  reboot09, but I coudlnyt help ya anyway on that one.
[03:22] <tamran> sherman: I don't know why though, I mean it all should work
[03:22] <sherman> tamran: I;ve had 7 or 8 inbstalls this way with no issues.....
[03:23] <sherman> Not counting all the reinstalls I have done on ly gateway. =)
[03:25] <sherman> OK, gonna give up on this one for a while.....
[03:29] <_guest___> hi all
[03:31] <tamran> can anyone help me with magnet links? how do I make them work in KDE (in xdg-open)?
[03:32] <tamran> chromium trys to issue a command using xdg-open but it never finds the client
[03:40] <bigtom21485> anyone know does ubuntu or kubuntu support wacom tablets?
[03:41] <bigtom21485> i hate windows so im switching regardless but I was wondering sinc ei do have a tablet pc
[03:42] <mefisto__> bigtom21485: yes, kubuntu definitely does, pretty sure ubuntu would too
[03:46] <ipwnu> does anyone know of a tutorial that shows you how to encrypt your swap partition post-installation?
[03:46] <Daughain> mefisto__: How do I turn on wlan0 from term?
[03:49] <mefisto__> ifup command
[03:49] <mefisto__> so, sudo ifup wlan0
[03:50] <Daughain> Thanks, yet again. =)
[03:51] <Daughain> OK,can someone give me a page that explains how to add hardware to ifconfig??
[03:59] <lantizia> Oh Noes... I have no sound - well at least not with VLC or Flash player anyway... Dragon Player works just fine
[04:00] <lantizia> any ideas? I'm normally a ubuntu user not kubuntu - so not sure how to diag this phonon thingy
[04:03] <sea__> I dunno lantizia, but when I switched to ubuntu temporarily something similar happened, I had to raise the volume in gnome-volume-control, but I dunno if it'll work for you
[04:04] <lantizia> sea__: good tip :) I went for alsa-mixer instead and found the PCM was at 0#
[04:05] <sea__> Did that fix it? I thought alsa and phonon were different things?
[04:06] <lantizia> sea__: dunno... but I guess KDE apps go direct to phonon and flash/vlc go direct to alsa some how ?!
[04:08] <mefisto__> lantizia: I think that's right. but alsa also goes through phonon. so everything ends up going through phonon. linux sound is such a mess
[04:11] <mefisto__> here's a diagram that makes it clearer: http://imagebin.ca/view/4FoUFue.html
[04:21] <Daughain> Any help or ideas on getting this wireless card turned?
[04:24] <mefisto__> !wireless
[04:25] <Daughain> Thanks. =)
[04:32] <felipe__> hi everyone.
[04:33] <smokealot> hi
[04:33] <felipe__> I have a doubt. if a do the command line "man fwrite" (for example) the shell says the don't have the manual entry for fwrite.
[04:34] <felipe__> when I was using Fedora, this comand line worked very well.
[04:35] <smokealot> do you have fwrite installed?
[04:35] <felipe__> no, this a C comand.
[04:35] <felipe__> in Fedora, if a have a doubt about any function in C, I just do the comand "man"
[04:36] <felipe__> and then, the manual of the function shows up.
[04:36] <felipe__> but i cant do this in Kubuntu.
[04:36] <xjjk> felipe__: aptitude install manpages-dev
[04:37] <xjjk> dev man pages are in a different package
[04:37] <felipe__> i'll try that.
[04:39] <felipe__> thanks a lot. it worked.
[04:39] <felipe__> this manuals help a lot while I'm programing something.
[04:39] <xjjk> felipe__: it's one of those damned if you damned if you don't-type things
[04:40] <xjjk> people would complain Kubuntu wasted disk space installing things people don't use/need if it was included in another package or installed by default
[04:42] <felipe__> but ins fedora installation, its possible choose packages for developing, for example.
[04:42] <xjjk> felipe__: don't think you chose such a thing when installing Kubuntu
[04:42] <xjjk> which is another damned if you, damned if you don't scenario
[04:43] <xjjk> what is too many questions to ask during installation, and do those questions mean anything
[04:43] <felipe__> I know that.
[04:44] <Malin_> maskina frøys sånn ca :S
[04:44] <felipe__> but, for a developer like me, I think thats important to install packages like that.
[04:50] <doleyb> developers are more likely to figure that out than most users
[04:51] <xjjk> felipe__: it depends what kind of developer you are
[04:51] <xjjk> if a python developer, you probably don't care about C man pages
[04:51] <felipe__> thats right.
[04:51] <xjjk> if a Qt GUI developer, you probably don't care either
[04:51] <xjjk> and if a system C develope
[04:51] <xjjk> you don't care about Python or Qt docs
[04:52] <felipe__> xjjk: I agree with you. thats because this installation option is optinal in Fedora(of course!)
[04:53] <felipe__> xjjk: but I have bad experiences with Fedora, so I'm using Kubuntu know
[04:54] <felipe__> xjjk: and I'm having no trouble at all.
[05:07] <tamran> you know ... speaking of documentation ... whatever happened to HTML? wasn't it supposed to be the defacto-standard for help docs? or XML? ... I opened a help file in gnone the other day for the game "lights out" it took 30 seconds to open and used 40mb of ram to display
[05:07] <tamran> all that was on the screen was a paragraph of text
[05:07] <tamran> you could easily use html for all documentation types
[05:08] <tamran> I better not get on this rant ...
[05:09] <reboot09> does anyone know how i could set up a shell on my box for a friend with a login screen etc then set permissions any tutorials i havent found any
[05:10] <JBrown> Does KPackage look at a repository for installing games etc, or just what is installed on the pc? I know it looks for the updates
[05:13] <tamran> reboot09: in kde, open System Settings, then click "Advanced" tab and click User management
[05:13] <tamran> JBrown: you can search everything in the textbox
[05:13] <JBrown> Thanks
[05:13] <tamran> JBrown: you can also use synaptic if you're more comfortable
[05:14] <tamran> synaptic works fine in KDE
[05:14] <rainy-day> What's the shortcut for K startup menu?
[05:14] <rainy-day> nm!
[05:15] <tamran> rainy-day: in System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse
[05:15] <rainy-day> tamran: by right click on it too :)
[05:16] <tamran> rainy-day: ahhh, thanks man :)
[05:16] <tamran> that's a better way
[05:17] <rainy-day> I come here to seek help, instead I help :(
[05:17] <tamran> heh
[05:17] <tamran> it's karma buddy
[05:17] <rainy-day> it's terrible is what it is! :)
[05:18] <tavo> hi  people
[05:19] <tavo> how do i can  do the  net anonymously?
[05:24] <tamran> tavo: you mean like incognito mode in chrome/chromium?
[05:26] <Daughain> I have an issue with an install not shutting down or rebooting when using the KDE buttons.....Any ideas?
[05:27] <olskolirc> ok whos going to fix my kmenuedit - i can't save entries
[06:03] <Daughain> All the virtualbox resources I find refer to setting up 32 bit versions.....I need XP 64bit....WHats the difference?
[06:11] <olskolirc> Daughain, #virtualbox
[06:11] <Daughain> Thanks.
[06:12] <olskolirc> yw Daughain
[06:17] <lordganehs> please help me .. i m recovering grub after installing windows 7 and i got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/394961/
[06:18] <olskolirc> i got that too lordganehs and i gave up and reinstalled
[06:19] <olskolirc> I tried them all on the forums lordganehs
[06:20] <lordganehs> then we have to send this as bug if no one can solve it olskolirc
[06:20] <olskolirc> i even found an exe that is supposed to restore grub installed on m$ and AFTER i did that and rebooted, it said that the program wasn't guaranteed to work and it didn't it just sat there and i lost my windows bootload and had no grub
[06:21] <olskolirc> right lordganehs and I don't know why ubuntu doesn't just add a button to click like Mandriva does from the cd and thats a wrap one click and reboot
[06:59] <mastiffsnapoli> buon giorno a tuttti
[07:00] <Curly_Q> Is there a command to reverse a last GUI delete?
[07:01] <Curly_Q> Or remove?
[08:16] <boesmans> gm all
[08:16] <Daughain> Sup, boesmans
[08:25] <BigFatCone> hi.. i've got a slight networking problem that i hope you guys can help me with.
[08:36] <robert__> is kde 4.4 as fast as gnome?
[08:36] <robert__> just curious i might try it out
[08:37] <BigFatCone> why can't i get the network up and running on my acer aspire 8935G using kubuntu 9.10?`
[08:42] <robert__> is kde 4.4 as fast as gnome?
[09:10] <AndyNewman> Привет народ))
[09:49] <zubin71> hi im using kubuntu rite now and id love to have a send to option when i right click on my file browser... any way i could have that?
[09:49] <zubin71>  a "send-to" option
[09:56] <BigFatCone> why can't i get the network up and running on my acer aspire 8935G using kubuntu 9.10?`
[09:59] <nikhil_> BigFatCone: do ifconfig
[09:59] <nikhil_> in a console
[10:00] <BigFatCone> nikhil_, do you mean "ipconfig"?
[10:00] <nikhil_> BigFatCone: in linux its ifconfig
[10:00] <nikhil_> for lan
[10:00] <nikhil_> and iwconfig
[10:00] <nikhil_> for wan
[10:00] <nikhil_> *wireless
[10:00] <FloodBotK1> nikhil_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:00] <nikhil_> not wan
[10:01] <nikhil_> sigh :P
[10:01] <BigFatCone> so, just open a terminal, type ifconfig and/or iwconfig and go to work?
[10:03] <nikhil_> no, we're trying to figuire out if your network card(s) are working
[10:03] <nikhil_> *figure
[10:03] <nikhil_> paste the output in a pastebin
[10:03] <BigFatCone> aight.. i'll do that.. but i'm dualbooting so this will take a while
[10:04] <nikhil_> are u in windows at the moment?
[10:04] <BigFatCone> yeah'
[10:04] <nikhil_> sigh!
[10:04] <BigFatCone> sorry mate
[10:04] <nikhil_> it might indeed, i have to go relatively soon...
[10:04] <nikhil_> dude
[10:05] <nikhil_> get another computer to troubleshoot, and join #linux
[10:05] <nikhil_> ^^ after registering your nick
[10:05] <BigFatCone> i'm a bit low om computers right now.. :/
[10:20] <Daughain> Thats why windows belongs in VB.
[10:22] <HmpfCBR_> Hi, does anybody know how to save an advanced slideshow from gwenview? Workarounds like recordmydesktop make the slideshow choppy and slow.
[10:29] <Peace-> HmpfCBR_: use man2dvd
[10:30] <Peace-> HmpfCBR_: or use kdenlive
[10:37] <HmpfCBR_> Peace-: I know that kdenlive would work, but it has a completly different workflow. In gwenview you choose your pictures, set time, add a song, rando
[10:37] <HmpfCBR_> m effects
[10:37] <HmpfCBR_> and ready you are
[10:37] <Peace-> HmpfCBR_: use man2dvd then
[10:37] <HmpfCBR_> but I will have a look at man2dvd thanks
[10:37] <Peace-> shoudl works
[10:43] <brian__> !list
[10:56] <xxxxx> hello
[10:57] <xxxxx> can somebody say me  how to delete all files besides one directory?    "rm -r /dirname/*"     besides /dirname/xxx
[11:08] <spirov92> hi, I'm having issues with the radeon driver for ATI-it's awfully slow and takes up 30-40% CPU when I even move a window around, not to speak of compiz effects
[11:08] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: did you try the open source version?
[11:09] <spirov92> shadeslayer_: I think this IS the opensource version, since it came with the default install...where can I check?
[11:09] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: press alt+F2 and type : kdesudo jockey-kde
[11:10] <HmpfCBR_> xxxxx: if you do not need to use the commandline, you could just just open the folder in dolphin, select all and click the red minus sign of the folder you do not want to delete, then delete.
[11:11] <spirov92> shadeslayer_: it says "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[11:11] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: it should list any drivers you need to activate
[11:11] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: anything about ATi ?
[11:11] <spirov92> shadeslayer_: no...just empty fields
[11:11] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: hmm
[11:12] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: ok press Alt+F2 and type sys,and open the system monitors
[11:13] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: whats taking the maximum cpu?
[11:13] <spirov92> shadeslayer_: you mean the ksysguard thing?
[11:13] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: System Monitor
[11:13] <spirov92> right now ksysguard, forefox, konversation, each with about 3 percent
[11:14] <spirov92> firefox*
 can somebody say me  how to delete all files besides one directory?    "rm -r /dirname/*"     besides /dirname/xxx
[11:14] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: ok just keep a eye there...
[11:14] <spirov92> shadeslayer_: I moved a window around and Xorg went to 78% btw
[11:15] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: 0_o
[11:15] <xxxxx> ONLY  through command!
[11:15] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: hmm... well i dont know
[11:15] <spirov92> xxxxx: you could make a bash script that loops through them and deletes them if the name is not xxx
[11:16] <xxxxx> I have make file   that copying all files and IT rmove all old and copy all new
[11:16] <shadeslayer_> spirov92: it might be temporary
[11:16] <ubuntu> hey
[11:16] <xxxxx> nono     it is directory with images
[11:16] <xxxxx> and I do not know names of files
[11:16] <xxxxx> it is uploaded files
[11:17] <xxxxx> OK    say me    how to do it fucking circle
[11:17] <xxxxx> or loop ))
[11:18] <xxxxx> fot x in 1..10 do  ????????????
[11:18] <spirov92> xxxxx: I haven't used bash scripting a lot, you could ask in #bash, and there are some good tutorials on the web
[11:18] <xxxxx> ok
[11:18] <xxxxx> I want to eat
[11:18] <spirov92> and I think it was something like for x in * ; do: something; done;
[11:19] <xxxxx> and go back after some time
[11:19] <james147> xxxxx: grep -v "filename" will output all files but filename... you could use that
[11:19] <xxxxx> waiting for me  guys
[11:19] <xxxxx> james147 ok
[11:21] <xxxxx> do somebody know time of racing F1 ?
[11:21] <xxxxx> Moscow time
[11:22] <xxxxx> 14/03  14:55
[11:22] <xxxxx> ok
[11:22] <shadeslayer_> ubottu: date
[11:28] <robertzaccour> how come in konquerer flash isn't completely compatible with it?
[11:28] <robertzaccour> like some sites don't render the flash stuff like intended
[11:28] <robertzaccour> i.e. xat chats from xat.com
[11:30] <tea_> hello
[11:31] <tea_> anybody?
[11:31] <robertzaccour> hello
[11:31] <tea_> robertzaccour, where are you?
[11:31] <robertzaccour> tennessee
[11:45] <robert__> will kopete work ok in gnome?
[12:23] <WaltzingAlong> robert_ sure
[12:26] <m0ar> Sup guys.  I'm unable to use "alt+1" to change to the server window in IRSSI when using xfce4-term. alt+1,2,3 etc works as they should. What might be wrong?
[12:51] <nonameNN> hey guys, is there any ubuntu image like debians minimal? so i can install just what i need?
[12:52] <spirov92> so, can someone help me with the ATI drivers? the default one-radeon, I think-is horribly slow
[12:52] <spirov92> nonameNN: can't you do a normal install and delete what you don't need?
[12:54] <nonameNN> spirov92: i could, but thats not the point
[12:56] <shadeslayer> nonameNN: theres ubuntu minimal
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !minimal | nonameNN
[13:01] <nonameNN> shadeslayer: thanks man, that was what i was looking...
[13:06] <spirov92> hmm...in the envyng tool, it seems the proprietary ATI drivers do not support my card...in that case can someone help me with the open-source ones?
[13:07] <nonameNN> spirov92: i dont know what ati card u have, but probably theres a solution some where in the web... did u google it?
[13:08] <spirov92> can't find anything yet...looking at some forum post now
[13:08] <spirov92> lspci gives me: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | spirov92
[13:14] <spirov92> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966629&page=2 this describes my problem, and seems to happen on many types of hardware
[13:14] <nonameNN> spirov92: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567116  http://www.radarsync.com/drivers/d205643-radeon_rv250   http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[13:17] <spirov92> nonameNN: the first one...tried the same, X died, removed the drivers from the terminal, X was back
[13:18] <WaltzingAlong> spirov92: when it does not work out, check out the x log to find out the exact error. /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:20] <spirov92> The fglrx driver only support the 9500 card and ABOVE <<< I have a 9000...
[13:21] <Jaimie> i bet you could buy a 9500 for less than $10
[13:21] <Jaimie> ;)
[13:21] <st4aluck> can somebody tell me if I can make my webcam pleomax pwc-3800 to work  under ubuntu 10.04
[13:21] <spirov92> Jaimie: the question is will it fit in my laptop ;)
[13:21] <Jaimie> depends on the laptop
[13:22] <Jaimie> most have a propritary connection; in which case the answer is no or the part will be impossible to source
[13:23] <spirov92> hm...does the xorg log get reset on every login? could it still contain the errors from when I tried the fglrx driver?
[13:23] <WaltzingAlong> spirov92: sure but there should be others ...log.0 .1 and so on
[13:25] <st4aluck> can somebody tell me if I can make my webcam pleomax pwc-3800 to work  under ubuntu 10.04
[13:26] <shadeslayer> st4aluck: #ubuntu+1
[13:26] <WaltzingAlong> st4aluck: greetings. no need to repeat like that within 4 minutes just because no on answered. guess you are asking around in #ubuntu as well.
[13:27] <shadeslayer> !webcam | st4aluck
[13:29] <spirov92> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.com/pYz64Rqu here's what was in xorg.0.log.old... seems fglrx driver doesn't support my card
[13:30] <spirov92> specifically the  (EE) No devices detected.
[13:30] <Xeper> Does anyone know where I can go in Kubuntu to set the system font?  I want to change the font that is used on window decorations and the task manager
[13:30] <spirov92> Xeper: kde system settings
[13:31] <spirov92> it should be in favorites in the k menu
[13:31] <Xeper> spirov92: where should i be looking in the system settings?
[13:31] <spirov92> Xeper: appearance->fonts
[13:32] <Xeper> spirov92: ahhhh, thank you very much
[13:34] <WaltzingAlong> spirov92: and which kubuntu are you running? which fglrx is installed?
[13:35] <spirov92> WaltzingAlong: 9.10, I removed the driver because it blew up X, I'll tell you what version it was in a second
[13:35] <shadeslayer> !meta | st4aluck
[13:35] <shadeslayer> meh..
[13:36] <WaltzingAlong> spirov92: 8.66.10? apparently support was dropped in fglrx for your card/chip some versions ago. could install an older version that still supports that chip/card
[13:37] <spirov92> WaltzingAlong: it was 2:8.660-0ubuntu4
[13:37] <spirov92> WaltzingAlong: where can I get one?
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> spirov92: http://techkrunch.co.cc/index.php/2009/06/29/ubuntu-driver-for-dell-d600-ati-radeon-rv250-mobility-firegl-9000/
[13:38] <shadeslayer> !highlight | st4aluck
[13:38] <lenny> Всем привет!)
[13:39] <lenny> Hello everubody!)
[13:42] <WaltzingAlong> !hi | lenny
[13:45] <lenny> Somebody speak Russian?
[13:45] <WaltzingAlong> !ru | lenny
[13:45] <lenny> А тут боты что ли сидят одни?
[13:46] <lenny> Thanks)
[13:50] <st4aluck> shadeslayer:
[13:50] <shadeslayer> st4aluck: ah finally :)
[13:50] <shadeslayer> st4aluck: so whats the problem?
[13:50] <st4aluck> shadeslayer:  I got it
[13:52] <st4aluck> shadeslayer: pls tell me more about the webcam cause I tryed with 9.10 but after the new kernel came it stoped working again
[13:52] <shadeslayer> st4aluck: well for support in lucid you need to go to : #ubuntu+1
[13:52] <st4aluck> shadeslayer: ok
[13:56] <spirov92> what was the name of the 9.10 release? (interpid/jaunty/karmic)
[13:56] <shadeslayer> spirov92: karmic
[13:57] <spirov92> thanks
[13:57] <lenny> karmic
[13:57] <shadeslayer> spirov92: it still is
[13:57] <shadeslayer> 19:26 < spirov92> what was the name of the 9.10 release? (interpid/jaunty/karmic)
[13:59] <WaltzingAlong> !karmic | spirov92
[13:59]  * vyrgozunqk is away: Gone away for now
[13:59] <lenny> Kubuntu Rulezzzz!)
[13:59] <spirov92> lenny: yeah
[14:00] <fabio333> i got lucid
[14:00] <spirov92> it would be perfect if I get the ati drivers to work...
[14:00]  * vyrgozunqk is away: Gone away for now
[14:00] <lenny> spirov92 Are you using Kubuntu too?
[14:01] <spirov92> lenny: well you are speaking in #kubuntu....lol
[14:01]  * vyrgozunqk is away: Gone away for now
[14:01] <lenny> )))
[14:02]  * vyrgozunqk is away: Gone away for now
[14:02]  * vyrgozunqk is away: Gone away for now
[14:02] <fabio333> spirov92: open or closed?
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> !away | vyrgozunqk
[14:03] <spirov92> fabio333: trying to get the closed-source one to work, since the radeon driver is eating cpu a lot
[14:04] <fabio333> spirov92: what card?
[14:04] <spirov92> fabio333: radeon mobility firegl 9000 something
[14:05] <WaltzingAlong> fabio333: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250
[14:07] <fabio333> rv250 should work fine with radeon
[14:07] <fabio333> and it's too old for fglrx
[14:08] <WaltzingAlong> fabio333: what did you use to check that? should there not be an older version of fglrx that supports it?
[14:08] <fabio333> WaltzingAlong: use man radeon
[14:09] <fabio333> fglrx is only for the latest cards (hd series)
[14:09] <fabio333> radeon works perfectly with my rs200 but R2xx is very old.
[14:10] <fabio333> and it will not work with lucid plymouth
[14:22] <dmdevotee> anybody knows if there is anyway to execute a script witout terminal?
[14:22] <dmdevotee> *without
[14:23] <shadeslayer> dmdevotee: just click on it?
[14:23] <dmdevotee> that doesn't work
[14:25] <shadeslayer> dmdevotee: does the executable have a gui?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> (gui function call)
[14:27] <user____> halo world
[14:27] <dmdevotee> how do i know if there is a gui?
[14:28] <dmdevotee> shadeslayer:
[14:29] <dmdevotee> a simple script2.sh file with this contect
[14:29] <bigbrovar> .
[14:29] <dmdevotee> #! /bin/bash
[14:29] <dmdevotee> echo "hello world"
[14:29] <dmdevotee> executing it with double click does nothing
[14:30] <user____> chmod +x script2.sh
[14:30] <user____> ./script2.sh
[14:30] <user____> make the file executeable
[14:30] <user____> the ./ run it
[14:31] <dmdevotee> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root    31 2010-03-14 15:28 script2.sh
[14:31] <user____> try run this "./script2.sh"
[14:31] <dmdevotee> i want to execute without typing everytime the filename
[14:31] <shadeslayer> dmdevotee: since the script does not have anything to display with the gui,it runs in the background
[14:31] <shadeslayer> dmdevotee: its not a GUI script!
[14:32] <user____> it run on konsole / terminal
[14:32] <user____> lolz
[14:33] <shadeslayer> dmdevotee: for a gui script you need qt/gtk libraries
[14:34] <dmdevotee> i do not understand "anything to display with the gui"...
[14:35] <dmdevotee> it's supposed to display "hello world"
[14:37] <dmdevotee> i made a script that moves files, and when i double click on it, it does nothing
[14:38] <user____> dmdevotee the script2.sh only show result on console, not on GUI
[14:38] <dmdevotee> any way to execute the script without typing it the name everytime in terminnal?
[14:38] <user____> if u need to display on GUI u need more coding, this need qt/gtk library help
[14:38] <dmdevotee> thanks user, but now i did a script that moves files
[14:39] <dmdevotee> i don't need now to display nothing, i did a script that uses the command mv
[14:40] <user____> when u double click it, make sure u open with right program
[14:40] <Jerky_> do u guys see any major problems with 10.04??? I am using it on my notebook and wondering if i should put it on my main desktop
[14:40] <dmdevotee> user____: when i double click, it does NOTHING
[14:43] <user____> dmdevtee: ok like this right click the script2.sh
[14:43] <user____> click propreties
[14:43] <user____> goto permission tab
[14:43] <user____> check the box to execute the file
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> !lucid | Jerky_
[14:44] <user____> then click "open with" tab
[14:45] <dmdevotee> user___: it had "777" permission
[14:45] <user____> open with "bash"
[14:46] <user____> now u edit script2.sh with this command "touch aaabbcc"
[14:46] <user____> this to create a empty file name aaabbcc
[14:46] <maco> Jerky_: current issues do not dictate future issues
[14:47] <user____> now u can double it
[14:47] <user____> ls -l
[14:47] <user____> to check the file is it created
[14:47] <user____> it should be on your desktop /home/username/Desktop
[14:53] <user____> does this server have #ufo room?
[14:53] <dmdevotee> in what category is bash?
[14:53] <user____> on the bottm just enter "bash"
[14:54] <user____> "use custom command"
[14:54] <dmdevotee> thanks! it worked
[14:54] <user____> good to heard that
[14:54] <dmdevotee> i tried opening with konsole, but it did't work, only a black screen appeared
[14:55] <user____> this is bash script
[14:55] <dmdevotee> i thinked they were the same
[14:55] <spirov92> bliargh. I installed the drivers as shown on http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide and it blew up X11(again)
[14:57] <spirov92> (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. <<< has anyone seen this?
[14:58] <spirov92> http://pastebin.com/E3uEV37Q here's the Xorg.0.log
[14:59] <user____> halo use "envy" is the easy way to install nvidia or ati card
[14:59] <dmdevotee> anybody knows how to sort the graphical elements from task manager?
[14:59] <dmdevotee> i mean, put the clock on the roght, the taks at left, the shortcuts at left, etc
[15:00] <dmdevotee> *right
[15:00] <spirov92> when I installed the drivers, kde started up, but kwin and compiz died complaining about GLX missing
[15:01] <user____>  glxinfo |grep direct
[15:01] <user____> what is the result?
[15:01] <spirov92> user____: direct rendering: Yes
[15:02] <lucia_> dmdevottee:  click on the cashew and then move the stuff around using your mouse with the cross hair
[15:03] <dmdevotee> lucia_: thanks!
[15:03] <user____>  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep glx
[15:03] <user____> do you get this ?
[15:03] <user____>     Load           "glx"
[15:04] <lucia_> dmdevotte: you are welcome. jsut to be sure I mean the cashew on the task bar
[15:05] <user____> spirov92:make sure u load glx
[15:05] <user____> Section "Module"
[15:05] <user____> #    Load           "glx"
[15:05] <user____>     Load           "glx"
[15:05] <user____> EndSection
[15:05] <FloodBotK1> user____: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:07] <spirov92> user____: look at line 97 of the log I pastebined
[15:07] <spirov92> it seems it's being loaded
[15:08] <Matisse> hi
[15:08] <Matisse> need some help with kde 4.4 flaws
[15:08] <Matisse> is there any guide out in the net?
[15:08] <spirov92> Matisse: what issues?
[15:09] <dmdevotee> i didn't know what the "cashew" is but when you said "the crosshair" i know what you were talking about
[15:10] <dmdevotee> *knew
[15:10] <user____> spirvo92:  open konsole  run this "compiz -replace"
[15:10] <Matisse> missing top of windows (where maximize and close button is) and double task line
[15:10] <spirov92> user____:  I removed the drivers so I could get a working window manager
[15:10] <user____> Matisse u running compiz???
[15:12] <Matisse> user__, i think so
[15:13] <spirov92> user____: running compiz now shows "No whitelisted driver found" and falls back to kwin
[15:13] <user____> spirov92 :i dont get you, compiz is a software  to manipulize gnome/kde display
[15:14] <spirov92> user____: yeah, a window manager...but as I said, both compiz and kwin were broken when the drivers were installed
[15:14] <spirov92> so I couldn't focus a window to type, so I used tty1 to log in and remove the drivers
[15:15] <Matisse> user__, yes, running compiz, is it a problem?
[15:15] <spirov92> Matisse: make sure the window decoration plugin is enabled in ccsm
[15:15] <user____> Matisee : open ccsm
[15:15] <user____> ya that right
[15:16] <user____> spirov92: what video card u are using?
[15:16] <user____> it easy to start over again from zero
[15:16] <spirov92> user____: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[15:16] <Matisse> ccsm isnt even installed. does it mean its a different error?
[15:17] <spirov92> Matisse: how do you configure compiz then? you should install it
[15:17] <Matisse> i dont configure it :)
[15:17] <spirov92> without it you can't know if the decoration plugin is on
[15:17] <plop_> hi !
[15:17] <Matisse> ho
[15:18] <plop_> he
[15:18] <user____> RV250. i think it slow when running compiz
[15:18] <spirov92> user____: with the radeon driver it was slow. with fglrx it didn't work :)
[15:19] <user____> now u load fglrx driver?
[15:20] <Matisse> spirov92, seems like its enabled
[15:20] <spirov92> user____: I removed it, and now it seems I have no driver
[15:20] <spirov92> Matisse: what is the command setting?
[15:20] <Matisse> ?
[15:21] <Matisse> Its just checkmark
[15:21] <Matisse> *a checkmark
[15:21] <spirov92> Matisse: when you click on a plugin, you get settings for it. there should be a decorator command in the decoration plugin's settings.
[15:21] <Matisse> /usr/bin/compiz-decorator
[15:23] <Matisse> spirov92, "seems" no driver - have you checked with apt-cache policy <drivername> ?
[15:27] <amichair> is there an advantage to have ktorrent allocate disk space in advance? it causes the whole desktop to freeze for a couple of minutes when it's allocating
[15:28] <Matisse> amichair, the space cant be taken
[15:29] <Matisse> tamran, yesterday you explained how I can install kde 4.4, but you said it still has some "bumps". Can you help with them? Seems like the other 2 guys freezed :)
[15:29] <amichair> Matisse: so it's only useful when I'm running out of disk space? does fragmentation matter?
[15:31] <Matisse> no, fragmentation is not important on linux
[15:32] <Matisse> but its strange that it freezes
[15:32] <WaltzingAlong> amichair: fragmentation occurs with other file systems as well but is not the problem that it is made out to be under desktop single user ms windows - perhaps because of much better disk caching/buffering
[15:32] <user____> Mastisee: u using KDE right?
[15:33] <Matisse> user__, yes
[15:33] <WaltzingAlong> amichair: which reservation method are you using? basic or filesystem specific?
[15:33] <amichair> Matisse: yes, I can't figure out how moving the mouse cursor should be blocked by any amount of disk io. seems like a design flaw somewhere.
[15:34] <amichair> WaltzingAlong: filesystem specific
[15:34] <user____> make sure u install this "compiz-kde "
[15:34] <WaltzingAlong> amichair: i have 'reserve disk space' checked but not 'fully reserve' - first option probably creates a sparse file while the second probably fills the entire thing with 0s
[15:35] <amichair> WaltzingAlong: I'll try it for a while...
[15:35] <Matisse> amichair, have you had checked both?
[15:36] <amichair> checked both checkboxes? or checked both reservation methods?
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> Matisse: fully reserve must have been checked, otherwise one cannot set which method and amichair reported he was using the filesystem specific method
[15:37] <soee> how can i change trash icon ?
[15:40] <amichair> I had both checkboxes and filesystem specific selected. I just unchecked the second checkbox, will try working like this for a week or two and see what happens.
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> amichair: ok. i think that will be fine. feel free to report back
[15:41] <user____> make sure u install this "compiz-kde and compizconfig-settings-manager"
[15:41] <user____> n enable window decoration
[15:50] <lantizia> anyone know a good qt and/or kde based Jabber/XMPP client?  (I normally use Gajim but thats GTK+ based)
[15:51] <Matisse> lantizia, kopete?
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> !kopete | lantizia
[15:51] <Matisse> user__, it is enabled
[15:51] <lantizia> other than kopete! I can't stand it!
[15:52] <Matisse> pidgin?
[15:52] <lantizia> pidgin is GTK
[15:52] <Matisse> then take kopete, its great :)
[15:52] <Matisse> you can configure a lot
[15:53] <lantizia> kopete has some silly thing is has to start (and sometimes crash) when you load it
[15:53] <lantizia> plus it begins with a K :)
[15:53] <WaltzingAlong> !sim-qt | lantizia
[15:53] <WaltzingAlong> !info sim-qt | lantizia
[15:56] <user____> try pidgin :D
[15:56] <Matisse> lantizia, whats the last time you tried it?
[15:57] <lantizia> last night
[15:57] <Matisse> ok
[15:57] <doleyb> hello, i am wondering how often is plasma-desktop supposed to crash?
[15:57] <lantizia> plus I don't need an all in one messenger... I'd rather have something that concentrates just on XMPP/Jabber like Gajim does (but Gajim is GTK+)
[15:57] <user____> Matisse: i think some plugin might conflit with window decoration , so try disable some recent plugin first
[15:57] <Matisse> once a hour doleyb
[15:58] <Matisse> i've got an idea
[15:58] <doleyb> Matisse: are you serious?  because I do have crashes of about each hour during use.  Not on a real 60 minute schedule though.
[15:58] <doleyb> And sometimes much faster.
[15:58] <Matisse> no, it was a joke :D
[15:58] <doleyb> yeah :(
[15:59] <doleyb> Do you know if upcoming kde versions will crash less?
[15:59] <Matisse> there will be somebody here whos helping you if you describe more prezise
[15:59] <Matisse> user__, ive manually set to 16bit... have to restart to test 24bit again
[16:00] <doleyb> Well I'm not asking for someone to help me stop it from crashing.  I am looking for information if this is like a known problem.
[16:01] <user____> doleyb: i try kde 4.x but my video card said better run gnome
[16:01] <user____> :)
[16:02] <user____> i am running compiz
[16:06] <apparle> hi guys
[16:11] <WaltzingAlong> !hi | apparle
[16:23] <Matisse> re
[16:24] <Matisse> user__, so, 24bit didnt change a thing
[16:24] <Matisse> which plugin should I disable?
[16:24] <hazaa> !grub
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> !info psi | lantizia
[16:33] <boesmans> Hi
[16:33] <boesmans> if I have the path of folder A and of folder B, can i move a file from folder A to folder B via console?
[16:33] <boesmans> if yes, how do i do that?
[16:35] <hazaa> dang it.. Folks.. im trying to reinsatll my grub so that it picks up windows. But after trying to follow the !grub i cannot find my HD(s). Maybe i need more info when trying to install grub onto my raid?
[16:35] <Xeper> i have a very basic question that someone may laugh at me for asking... is there an interface that i can go to to download plasma themes?
[16:39] <doleyb> plasma-desktop just crashed for the second time since I mentioned it, 41 minutes ago.  So that's like crashes every 20 minutes of use :)
[16:40] <Dinox> doleyb:have u update all package?
[16:40] <Dinox> apt-get upgrade
[16:40] <hazaa> ugh... all i *think* i need to do is mount my array on the live CD. That way i can reinstall my grub??
[16:40] <doleyb> Dinox yes im updated that way.
[16:41] <kubuntu1222> hello
[16:41] <kubuntu1222> i need help width kubuntu
[16:42] <doleyb> kubuntu1222: well ask questions for what help you need.
[16:42] <kubuntu1222> i installed kubuntu and now in welcome screen asking me enter password, but i not set one in installation
[16:42] <Draconis_> Hi everyone, how are you guys doin' today?
[16:42] <kubuntu1222> now i cant start system
[16:43] <hazaa> Dinox: Cheers :)
[16:43] <spirov92> kubuntu1222: have you tried empty password?
[16:43] <kubuntu1222> yes not loading
[16:43] <Xeper> is there a simple user interface for downloading and installing plasma themes?
[16:44] <kubuntu1222> its showing as unused user . But what password and login for it
[16:44] <boesmans> can i move a file from folder A to folder B via the terminal if i know both paths? if so, how ?
[16:44] <doleyb> boesmans: mv /home/me/foldera/file1 /home/me/folderb
[16:45] <Draconis_> I have a few questions- i would like to know how to update my drivers to my wireless card, and set my proprietary drivers through terminal...but I don't know the command lines well enough...
[16:45] <kubuntu1222> so how to solve this problem ?
[16:45] <boesmans> thanks doleyb
[16:46] <kubuntu1222> anyone
[16:47] <robin0800> kubuntu1222: you should have set a default user name and password during the install
[16:48] <kubuntu1222> yes i know but i not set it so how i should now login
[16:48] <Draconis_> i was told something about like linux backtrack or backdoor or something like that to update my drivers and stuffs
[16:49] <GiGaMaN83> scuse me there are any italian? scusate c'è qualche italiano?
[16:49] <robin0800> kubuntu1222: not sure you can! perhaps have to re-install
[16:50] <Draconis_> Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend.
[16:50] <Draconis_> Please close any other legacy packaging tools that may be open.     <-  What does this error mean?
[16:53] <kubuntu1222> but the cd is not boting anymore , after boot it showing languages and freezing and my win7 cd not booting at all .
[16:53] <kubuntu1222> this is shity os i ques
[16:54] <Dinox> draconis: try this sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:55] <Dinox> kubuntu1222: try boot into http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
[16:55] <Dinox> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/linux
[16:56] <Dinox> chroot /mnt/linux /bin/bash
[16:56] <Draconis_> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[16:56] <Draconis_> All i have open is Quassel IRC and Terminal...
[16:56] <Dinox> create user or reset password from there
[16:57] <Dinox> ps -e |grep package
[16:58] <Draconis_> Dinox can I talk to you in PMs for just a moment so I am not posting the issues here?
[17:12] <omerta> hello
[17:12] <omerta> i'm new to kubuntu i need a hand
[17:13] <omerta> where can i change the network settings to get a static ip
[17:13] <omerta> also change the dns servers
[17:13] <omerta> i prefer GUI mode
[17:15] <Dinox> press alt+f2
[17:15] <Dinox> nm-connection-editor
[17:16] <hazaa> hmm. so it looks like i was able to mount my raid using...\
[17:16] <hazaa> sudo mount /dev/mapper/isw_bhhcbgejdd_system1 /media/myraid/
[17:16] <hazaa> I can now see my Kubuntu OS
[17:16] <hazaa> Sound about right?
[17:16] <omerta> commands not found it says Dinox
[17:17] <omerta> i use kubuntu karmic
[17:18] <Dinox> ya hazaa
[17:18] <Dinox> chroot /media/myraid
[17:19] <hazaa> I see
[17:19] <hazaa> sudo chroot /media/myraid
[17:19] <hazaa> Dinox: So i guess i can try to reinstall my grub2 ?
[17:20] <omerta> system-settings->network-settings->network connections under wired tab there's nothing to edit
[17:21] <omerta> but i'm connected to internet as you can see
[17:22] <Dinox> hazza: sry u no need to chroot into it
[17:23] <Dinox> hazaa: just execute "grub"
[17:23] <hazaa> Dinox: Hehe. No worries
[17:23] <hazaa> Dinox: In the media/myraid dir?
[17:23] <Dinox> root (hd,X)
[17:24] <Dinox> setup (hdX)
[17:25] <hazaa> Dinox: Is that directed at me?
[17:25] <Dinox> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:25] <Dinox> i familar with grub, not grub2. pls refer the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:26]  * hazaa bangs his head off a wall
[17:26] <hazaa> Dinox: Cheers
[17:27] <liah> hi, i cant change a permission, someone can help me please
[17:29] <Dinox> omerta: use command will be great : http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/
[17:29] <Dinox> hi liah: ls -l
[17:29] <Dinox> copy paste result here
[17:30] <omerta> ok DInox, i'll try, hopefully i wont do something wrong :)
[17:31] <drax_avi> changed my nick, lol, its was a default from here
[17:31] <drax_avi> dont have a result
[17:31] <drax_avi> i used chown and chmod
[17:31] <drax_avi> to alter the groups, the permission
[17:31] <drax_avi> its days that have changed
[17:31] <drax_avi> but when i look
[17:31] <drax_avi> dont change at all
[17:32] <drax_avi> its satys user root group root
[17:32] <drax_avi> its a nfts partition that i use for linux and windows
[17:32] <Dinox> huh ntfs?
[17:33] <Dinox> u cant change ntfs permisson  at linux
[17:33] <apparle> !browser
[17:33] <drax_avi> hum... its stays as root?
[17:34] <apparle> suggest a lightweight browser for kde
[17:34] <drax_avi> i cant change in anyway?
[17:34] <Dinox> u cant change a permission for ntfs disk
[17:34] <drax_avi> ok ty
[17:34] <Dinox> u format to unix disk format :) xfs,jfs.ext2,ext3
[17:35] <drax_avi> but its used by linux and windows, so i cant do it
[17:35] <drax_avi> linux read a nfts partiotion
[17:35] <drax_avi> but windows dont read a ext4
[17:37] <Dinox> guy good nite
[17:37] <Dinox> need sleep
[17:39] <drax_avi> bye
[17:46] <Draconis_> Can anyone tell me how to update my drivers to my wireless modem through konsole?
[17:57] <Draconis__> Is there a way to 'disk cleanup' and 'defrag' in kubuntu?  To like...clean up cache and temp files and whatnot?
[17:57] <tamran> hello all, can anyone explain how to change file associations in KDE?  The "default applications" part in settings only has 5 apps there
[17:58] <tamran> actually, what I'm trying to do is make magnet links work
[18:08] <st4aluck> #ubuntu-beginers
[18:10] <ToraToraTora> !fi
[18:14] <drax_avi> hi
[18:14] <drax_avi> i am trying to change the permission of a ntfs partition, i tryied to use ntfs-3g
[18:15] <drax_avi> but nothing i do change the permission
[18:15] <drax_avi> its always back to the user: root group: root 777
[18:28] <drax_avi> hi
[18:28] <drax_avi> i am trying to change the permission of a ntfs partition, i tryied to use ntfs-3g
[18:28] <drax_avi> but nothing i do change the permission
[18:28] <drax_avi> its always back to the user: root group: root 777
[18:28] <FloodBotK1> drax_avi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:31] <drax_avi> hi
[18:32] <drax_avi> i am trying ti change the permission of a nfts partition
[18:32] <drax_avi> i tryied everything, even use ntfs-3g
[18:32] <drax_avi> but the permissions stays a user and group root
[18:33] <drax_avi> someone can help me please?
[18:55] <Draconis_> Can anyone inform me on how I can check my wireless drivers and update them?
[18:56] <Peace-> Draconis_: mm
[18:56] <Peace-> !wifi
[18:56] <Draconis_> Thanks Peace
[18:56] <Peace-> Draconis_: which kind of wifi have you ?
[19:00] <Draconis_> Not sure on how to check it.
[19:05] <Draconis_> Peace- :   I did linux-backports-modules-karmic doesn't that update all that stuff?
[19:06] <Draconis_> Of course i did sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-karmic  and it completed successfully....should I reboot?
[19:29] <boesmans> cya allllllllllllll
[19:31] <drox> Hello i have a problem, my X-fi extreme audio don't play. How do I do to play it?
[19:31] <drox> I use kubuntu
[19:31] <drox> 9.10
[19:33] <lantizia> Is there a list of all apps Kubuntu 9.10 comes with?
[19:46] <Draconis_> Can anyone tell me how I can install flash player so I can watch youtube?
[19:46] <Draconis_> And VLC Player for linux O.o
[19:47] <Typos_King> hehe
[19:47] <Typos_King> you can find vlc in the repositories, as well as flash player :)
[19:48] <Typos_King> Draconis_:      sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree vlc;
[19:49] <Draconis_> How do i view the repositories so I know what to type?
[19:49] <Draconis_> And PS-  How do i check for bug fix downloads...I had 173 of them eearlier, but I dont see that icon or how to find it
[19:50] <Typos_King> well
[19:50] <Typos_King> I do it from the console
[19:50] <Typos_King> but you may be able to check using 'kpackagemanager'
[19:50] <Draconis_> How?  ah
[19:57] <jussi01> Draconis_: system -> Kpackagekit -> software updates
[20:03] <lantizia> Is there a list of all apps Kubuntu 9.10 comes with?
[20:05] <Typos_King> lantizia:   <jussi01> Draconis_: system -> Kpackagekit   <---
[20:05] <lantizia> Typos_King: that helps how?
[20:05] <lantizia> or are you assuming I'm using kubuntu?
[20:06] <Draconis_> Well
[20:06] <Draconis_> You ARE IN #kubuntu
[20:06] <lantizia> Yeah... Im in #kubuntu asking about Kubuntu
[20:06] <lantizia> I want to know what apps come with it before I waste some bandwidth in dowloading it
[20:07] <Draconis_> O.o then its not an assumption :P
[20:07] <Draconis_> Well
[20:07] <Draconis_> What are you looking for in general?
[20:07] <lantizia> A list
[20:09] <xjjk> lantizia: distrowatch.com has a comparison page of versions of packages in distributions
[20:09] <xjjk> could probably find a list of all the packages included on the disc somewhere too
[20:09] <lantizia> critical comparative packages yes - but not a list of applications
[20:09] <lantizia> theres a difference
[20:10] <lantizia> screenshots of the default Kmenu's would help
[20:12] <jussi01> lantizia: is this any help? http://paste.ubuntu.com/395274/
[20:12] <jussi01> its a list of the dpendencies for kubuntu-desktop
[20:13] <jussi01> also, the release notes tell what is new and a list of known bugs: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release
[20:13] <lantizia> not really! I'm not after a list of packages, I'm after a list of visible/usable GUI applications that are preinstalled
[20:13] <lantizia> theres nothing about Kubuntu other than... come use it!  why are you waiting!.. I don't see any list of features
[20:15] <HmpfCBR_> lantizia: a tour with screenshots can be found here: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Kubuntu%209.10
[20:16] <lantizia> HmpfCBR_: that doesn't list the apps
[20:46] <edi_99> Hi guys. Is there a way to restore the default value of wpa_supplicant.conf file?
[20:46] <cccccc> sudo rm < find . -name  "*.*"
[20:46] <microsoft> hello
[20:47] <cccccc> ???  why  did not work it
[20:47] <cccccc> microman
[20:47] <microman> sudo rm < find . -name  "*.*"
[20:47] <microman> quys!!!!!!1  I want find files  and delete them!
[20:48] <microman> sudo rm < find . -name  "*.*"               ??????????????
[20:52] <microman> fuck    I did it with my hands
[20:52] <microman> thenks guys
[20:52] <microman> from russia with love
[20:59] <charles_> hello
[20:59] <charles_> new to this,need help PLEASE
[21:01] <Typos_King> charles_:   with?
[21:01] <charles_> iam tring to download flashplayer so i can review my e-mail
[21:02] <charles_> but it is asking  a {open with
[21:02] <charles_> sorry
[21:03] <Typos_King> you need flash player to 'review' email?  I don't :)
[21:03] <Typos_King> a open?  ?
[21:04] <charles_> a place to download the file but i have no idea where to place this file to get my HTML to work correct
[21:05] <Typos_King> not sure I follow that charles_  :|
[21:05] <charles_> ok
[21:06] <Typos_King> what are you doing anyway?
[21:06] <charles_> when i try to open my yahoo
[21:07] <Typos_King> ok
[21:07] <Typos_King> sooo, what happens?
[21:07] <charles_> it states that i need the get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
[21:08] <Typos_King> ok
[21:08] <charles_> well i download the program,
[21:08] <charles_> but
[21:08] <Typos_King> what about when you go to youtube.com?   does it ask you too?
[21:08] <charles_> yes at utube to
[21:08] <charles_> but
[21:08] <Typos_King> but?
[21:08] <charles_> i try to open the file
[21:09] <charles_> it ask me the command _OPEN WITH_
[21:10] <charles_> then i try to pick a program  it will not work
[21:10] <Typos_King> charles_   go to System > kpackageit; look for 'flashplugin-non-free'
[21:10] <Typos_King> and install it :)
[21:11] <charles_> ok thanks
[21:11] <Typos_King> 'flashplugin-nonfree'
[21:11] <Typos_King> rather
[21:14] <charles_> sorry , like stated very new to this, but , is this a web site or is it the system on my computer?
[21:14] <Typos_King> is in your system
[21:14] <Typos_King> click on the KDE button, then System, then kpackageit
[21:14] <charles_> ok
[21:20] <charles_> sorry there wher no  kpackageit in the system trayto pic from
[21:21] <Typos_King> ... ok
[21:21] <Typos_King> charles_:  then open a 'terminal' window, by click on Konsole and type -> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree;
[21:22] <charles_> ok hold please
[21:24] <charles_> ok this waht it stated
[21:24] <charles_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:24] <charles_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[21:24] <charles_> charles@att:~$
[21:24] <FloodBotK1> charles_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:24] <charles_> sorry
[21:25] <charles_> ok
[21:25] <Typos_King> well
[21:25] <Typos_King> that means you have kpackageit open
[21:26] <charles_> let me close some things
[21:27] <charles_> ok let me try again
[21:27] <Typos_King> k
[21:28] <charles_> ok, it stated that it could not fin flashplugin-nonfree
[21:30] <Typos_King> ok
[21:30] <Typos_King> now try -> apt-cache seach flashplugin
[21:30] <Typos_King> any names listed?
[21:31] <charles_> okm hold on please
[21:32] <charles_> states invaild operating seach
[21:32] <Typos_King> lol
[21:33] <charles_> what
[21:33] <Typos_King> now try -> apt-cache search flashplugin
[21:33] <Typos_King> a typo, well, I ain't the King for nutin`
[21:34] <charles_> lol
[21:35] <charles_> my name just came back up
[21:35] <Typos_King> soooo
[21:35] <Typos_King> anything?
[21:36] <charles_> just charles@att:~$
[21:36] <Typos_King> ... nothing huh
[21:36] <charles_> nope
[21:36] <Typos_King> one sec
[21:36] <charles_> ok
[21:40] <arriesp> hi
[21:41] <charles_> hello
[21:41] <Typos_King> charles_:    http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/updaters/10/flash_player_10_linux_dev.tar.gz
[21:41] <charles_> ok hold on please
[21:42] <Typos_King> allo arriesp
[21:42] <arriesp> how are you¿
[21:43] <drox> speak italiana somebody
[21:43] <Typos_King> !it | drox
[21:44] <charles_> it asks--Save as  or Open with ark
[21:44] <drox> I have a problem with audio, my X-fi estreme audio don't play why?
[21:45] <Typos_King> charles_:    save
[21:45] <charles_> ok where to ?
[21:46] <Typos_King> heeh
[21:46] <Typos_King> anywhre... it doesn't matter.... ~/Downloads I gather
[21:46] <charles_> ok
[21:47] <charles_> finsh downloading
[21:49] <Typos_King> open it with Ark
[21:49] <charles_> ok
[21:51] <Typos_King> go down to the install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz  file and Extract that file
[21:51] <charles_> open in ark and clicked on it  and it stated
[21:51] <charles_> Veiw Externally or do not veiw
[21:52] <charles_> ok
[21:52] <Typos_King> ...
[21:52] <Typos_King> do you see several folders open in Ark when it's loaded?
[21:53] <charles_> no just 1
[21:53] <Typos_King> there's a 'plugin' and a .... ack
[21:53] <Typos_King> ok... expand that :|
[21:53] <Typos_King> and go down to plugin > debugger
[21:54] <charles_> no can do there is no + button
[21:54] <Typos_King> ok... then unzip the whole thing
[21:56] <charles_> yeah, about the unzip, there is none
[21:57] <charles_> i trird to downloade that to and still have it
[21:57] <charles_> but it did not unpack
[21:59] <[Relic]> Is there anyway in 9.10 to get the task bar to stop sorting alphabetically when you have sort by desktop selected?
[22:00] <lantizia> Does Kubuntu come with mono-common ? (i.e. have any apps depending on the mono framework)
[22:00] <Typos_King> [Relic]:     can't say..   I haven't used kde WM as much hehee
[22:00] <charles_> lol
[22:01] <[Relic]> just using it with whatever came installed :)
[22:01] <Typos_King> lantizia:    apt-cache search mono-common;   it came up for me
[22:01] <lantizia> Typos_King: how about dpkg -l | grep -i mono-common
[22:02] <Typos_King> lantizia    sure, I'd think it'd show up there
[22:02] <Draconis_> What is Native IE6 rofl...
[22:02] <lantizia> I didn't ask if it was in the repositories, I asked if it was installed with Kubuntu (i.e. on install)
[22:02] <lantizia> Typos_King: you'd think?  but does it actually
[22:02] <Typos_King> lantizia    actually, it didn't
[22:02] <lantizia> Good :)
[22:02] <Typos_King> it did show on the apt-cache though
[22:02] <lantizia> Well it will
[22:02] <charles_> Tpose_King is there any thing else to try
[22:03] <Typos_King> lantizia    and in apt-cache pkgnames
[22:03] <Typos_King> sooooo, I'd think is installed, at least on mine :P
[22:04] <charles_> ok got the de bug
[22:04] <Typos_King> charles_:      it'd be in the repositories... that'd be the easier way to install it .... though...
[22:04] <Typos_King> the bug?
[22:04] <charles_> ok whats next
[22:04] <Typos_King> charles_:    you mean, it unzipped?
[22:04] <charles_> the debbuer opt
[22:04] <Typos_King> ?
[22:04] <charles_> sorry
[22:04] <Typos_King> the folder you mean?
[22:04] <charles_> the Debbuger opt
[22:05] <charles_> yes
[22:05] <charles_> lo
[22:05] <charles_> lol
[22:05] <Typos_King> not sure what that is :|
[22:05]  * arriesp bye
[22:05] <charles_> in the ark
[22:06] <Typos_King> charles_:     just unzip the whole file you just downloaded
[22:06] <Typos_King> then, you can use the installer it comes with
[22:06] <charles_> ok
[22:18] <hailey> hi
[22:18] <hailey> help
[22:18] <ulysses> hailey: what is your problem?
[22:18] <hailey> i need to kno how to reset the root password i forgot it
[22:19] <hailey> ulysses?
[22:20] <Typos_King> what about your account password?
[22:20] <Typos_King> do you remember that one?
[22:22] <hailey> ulysses?
[22:22] <hailey> yes
[22:22] <hailey> but not the root password
[22:22] <Typos_King> yes?
[22:22] <Typos_King> then... nevermind the root passwd :)
[22:22] <hailey> yup
[22:22] <Typos_King> heheh, yours is the only one  you need
[22:22] <hailey> no i need the root to download stuff
[22:22] <Typos_King> there's no 'root' user account per se in ubuntu
[22:22] <ulysses> hailey: check this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[22:23] <Typos_King> so.... not sure you have lost anything, since there wasn't one to begin with
[22:23] <hailey> ill try ulysses
[22:27] <hailey> ulysses im going to try it thanks
[22:34] <hailey> it didnt work what do you press on the recovery menu
[22:43] <felipe__> anyone knows to how configure the sound, to record with the audacity program?
[22:46] <felipe__> anyone knows how to configure the sound, to record with the audacity program?
[22:46] <felipe__> i have some troubles with record noise.
[22:49] <hailey> hey it didnt work
[22:49] <hailey> ulysses
[22:50] <Typos_King> ..
[22:50] <Typos_King> felipe__:    what are you trying to do?
[22:50] <felipe__> i'm trying to record voice, with a headset with microphone
[22:51] <ulysses> hailey: It seems that you have GRUB 2, so have to find out how to get a root shell in recovery mode. I don't know it, because I have the old GRUB
[22:51] <felipe__> but I'm getting so much noise
[22:51] <Typos_King> ...
[22:51] <Typos_King> soooo,it's recording then
[22:51] <felipe__> Typos_King:  and when I plug the guittar, I get noise as well.
[22:52] <Typos_King> .. I usually use it to record from the soundcard..... I don't get any extra noises though
[22:53] <Typos_King> felipe__:    can't say... try maybe another app -> http://techcityinc.com/2009/04/14/10-best-audio-editors-for-linux/
[22:54] <Typos_King> I've heard something like that happening on certain playbacks for a player, which another didn't do, so
[22:55] <felipe__> Typos_King: ok then. but in this link, the program that I'm using, Audacity, comes on the top
[22:55] <Typos_King> yes, I understand that
[22:55] <felipe__> Typos_King: I think the trouble is in configuring the kmix. (the sound mixer of kubuntu)
[22:55] <Typos_King> I do have it and use it, but not for much recording, mostly to edit mp3s and a few recording from the soundcard
[22:56] <felipe__> Typos_King: but thanks, anyway
[22:56] <Typos_King> and for me, it works well enough
[22:56] <Typos_King> it might be in kmix... can't tell
[22:56] <felipe__> Typos_King: for that works pretty well. but for recording not so good
[22:56] <Typos_King> right... maybe another may fare better :)
[23:02] <rimad> guys, which packages provides csr1212.h ?
[23:05] <felipe__> Typos_King: thanks! I found a alternative for Fruity loops for linux. You help me a lot. I'm loving use linux
[23:06] <felipe__> Typos_King: the community helps a lot.
[23:06] <Typos_King> heheh
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> !find csr1212.h
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> ubottu: ping
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> !find csr1212.h lucid
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> rimad: There might not be one :(
[23:09] <Typos_King> !lucid | JontheEchidna
[23:11] <srdjan> hmmm why is xorg taking > 80% ?
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> Typos_King: I was seeing if a file was in lucid, not asking for support :/
[23:11] <Typos_King> heheh
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> no worries :)
[23:11] <srdjan>  1293 root      20   0  540m 200m  12m R   96  6.6 119:31.98 Xorg
[23:13] <rimad> damn..
[23:13] <Typos_King> JontheEchidna   http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/ieee1394/csr1212.h
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> rimad: ^
[23:15] <rimad> guys, i need kernel newer than 2.6.31-20
[23:15] <rimad> because some modules wont compile otherwise :(
[23:15] <rimad> is it possible?
[23:40] <ikonia> rimad: yes
[23:41] <Spaceghost> hi
[23:41] <Spaceghost> kubuntu 9.10 get a partitonmanager?
[23:41] <Spaceghost> in the GUI?
[23:41] <Spaceghost> :S
[23:42] <iconmefisto> !info partitionmanager
[23:43] <rimad> ikonia, how? any repos?
[23:43] <Spaceghost> :S
[23:43] <Spaceghost> I need in the live-CD for install
[23:44] <ikonia> rimad: there are unofficial unsupported repos, however what are you trying to build that needs a 2.6.31 kernel ?
[23:45] <Spaceghost> isn't in repos?
[23:45] <Spaceghost> well
[23:45] <Spaceghost> sorry
[23:45] <Spaceghost> in the Live-CD
[23:46] <iconmefisto> Spaceghost: you have an internet connection, right? just install it
[23:48] <Spaceghost> no in this PC, well
[23:48] <Spaceghost> I will try something simlar so
[23:50] <iconmefisto> Spaceghost: you could also download the package and dependencies from packages.ubuntu.com if the pc with the livecd has no internet
[23:50] <Spaceghost> have any suggestion? what is better? partition manager or gparted?
[23:51] <Spaceghost> the more... graphic, I haven't the necessary experience with the console for use "$parted"
[23:52] <iconmefisto> Spaceghost: they are almost the same. gparted has gtk interface. there is also qtparted
[23:53] <iconmefisto> Spaceghost: is gparted already on the livecd?
[23:53] <Spaceghost> I only have searched with the searcher of KDE menu, exist a better form of search if the livecd contains that program?
[23:56] <iconmefisto> Spaceghost: alt+F2 and type "gparted" to search for the program. but that is the same as searching in the menu search field
[23:57] <Spaceghost> ok, so the live-cd doesn't come with any graphic partitioner
[23:57] <iconmefisto> Spaceghost: there is also a gparted livecd. download the iso here: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[23:58] <Spaceghost> ok, I will see for make my pendrive booteable


[09:14] <chrisr_> Hi!  It is a regular cmake build system, but at the install step, it tries to do "cp debian/tmp/usr/local/bin/solc debian/solc/usr/bin/", but the file is in "debian/solc/usr/local/bin/solc"
[09:14] <chrisr_> so this seems like the install steps thinks that the package is multi-binary while it is not (or the other way round)