[03:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[09:27] <lordievader> Good mornign.
[09:27] <lordievader> morning*
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> afternoon to all
[10:58] <lordievader> o/
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hello mate
[11:04] <lordievader> How are you doing this sunday?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> fine, sunny what about you?
[11:05] <lordievader> Doing okay, messing with thinclients while part of X/KDE is compiling.
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> nice
[11:10] <lordievader> So what are you up to today?
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> chillin on sundays :p
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> and little irc support
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> and reading ubuntu news
[11:12] <lordievader> Nice, nice.
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> i like the softpedia website
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/customization/screenshots/nix/?q=gentoo
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> whats your desktop look like :p
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://i.imgur.com/47iXQaS.jpg
[11:23] <lordievader> Pretty standard KDE desktop here.
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> okay :p a workers desktop
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> i like eyecandy on ubuntu
[11:24] <lordievader> Blegh, unity :P
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> lool
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> i kinda got used to unity now
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> the only thing i was angry about is my bottom dock on gnome...
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> wished unity left the user the choice when to put sidebar
[11:26] <MonkeyDust> it's because of the ubuntu mobile phone, that the dock is on the left
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yeah on the phone its nicely
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: but i would love it at bottom on my desktop
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> i loved it for years on gnome
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> in time, the desktop and the phone will be one, so the say, with a dock to place the phone in
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> so to say*
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yeah like that first phone they wanted to crowdfund once
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> desktop and mobile everywhere
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> i always forget its name :p
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:50] <lordievader> o/
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hey lordievader
[12:51] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> fine thanks, and you?
[12:53] <lordievader> Doing good here ;)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> hey E
[13:03] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^ :)
[13:08] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> just did a successful release-upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 , went quite smoothly and so far so good, no crashes
[13:10] <EriC^^> cool
[13:10] <BluesKaj> on Kubuntu
[13:10] <lordievader> \o/
[13:22] <MonkeyDust> i'm upgrading 15.04 in vmware, as we speak
[13:25] <BluesKaj> vmware, hmm , was 14.10 working ok MonkeyDust?
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> never tried it, my host is 14.04, skipped 14.10, even in vmware
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> and i have windows xp, vista and 7 in virtualbox... don't need or use it, just fun to have it ;)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> using 2 hdds here, one for stable and the other for dev OSs
[13:42] <MonkeyDust> like: "why? because I can"
[13:44] <BluesKaj> ran Wt7 as guest on qemu-kvm and it ran fine except for the virt bridge which worked fine the internet connection , but failed to see the other windows pcs on the LAN
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> your setup is much more elaborate than mine, apparentally
[13:46] <BluesKaj> then realized I didn't need a windows installl at all, the linux OSs see and share files just fine with the other windows pcs
[13:47] <BluesKaj> migt even dump windows on the laptop
[13:48] <BluesKaj> not elaborate, just 3 computers on the LAN
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> i have one frankenstein-laptop, with external screen and keyboard... after i spilled coffee over it
[14:18] <BluesKaj> I've seen a method to clean sticky beverages including coffee on laptop KBs, but it's rather labour intensive
[15:02] <MonkeyDust> it's comforting that i'm not the only one...


[00:44] <Fudge> hi is it possible to change the owner of a launchpad account, ~vinux
[00:56] <lifeless> Fudge: we can change the owner of the team yes, but only in exceptional circumstances
[00:56] <lifeless> Fudge: please open a ticket at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad about the request
[00:57] <Fudge> lifeless  would we qualify, since the person who started is no longer active in the project?
[00:57] <lifeless> I don't know ;) - open the ticket, customer support will discuss the details with you
[00:59] <Fudge> ok thanks
[01:07] <Fudge> lifeless  done
[08:59] <nailora> does someone know why translations do not show up as expected in simple-scan? https://bugs.launchpad.net/simple-scan/+bug/543282
[15:59] <sidnei> hola launchpadeenos, i've requested deletion of a package from a private ppa, and apparently it was "Removed from disk 21 hours ago.", but i still can't copy another (source or binary) package with the same version over.
[16:01] <czajkowski> sidnei: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/990
[16:04] <sidnei> jinx :( thank you czajkowski
[16:04] <czajkowski> np
[16:16] <bambee> Hi, assuming I plan to change my account name on LP from "bambi" to "rperier", If I delete my PPA, is it possible ?
[16:21] <bambee> it works apparently...


[00:18] <LjL> h00k: ban evasion?
[00:20] <h00k> how did that go wrong?!
[00:21] <h00k> LjL: ^
[00:21] <LjL> had a vague suspicion ;)
[00:23] <h00k> apologized
[01:25] <Jordan_U> I'm on a laggy connection again. Feel free to take over in #ubuntu.
[11:10] <soren> Something's up with ubottu. From #ubuntu-devel a few minutes ago:
[11:10] <soren> 11:05 < soren> YokoZar: bug 93843
[11:10] <soren> 11:05 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 93843 in mesa (Ubuntu Natty) "Broken TLS support in libGL.so" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93843
[11:11] <soren> followed by:
[11:11] <soren> 11:06 < soren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aspell-en/+bug/93843
[11:11] <soren> 11:06 < ubottu> Ubuntu bug 93843 in aspell-en (Ubuntu) ""Ubuntu" and "Debian" are not in the dictionary" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[11:11] <soren> Hm.... That turned out way noisier than I expected. Sorry.
[11:11] <bazhang> heh
[11:12] <soren> so, when I referenced the bug the first time, it responded with a completely wrong description and source package name.
[15:48]  * Pici isn't old
[15:48]  * genii-around gets off of Pici's lawn
[15:49] <Pici> :(
[15:54] <genii-around> Pici: I'm probably one of the old men actually :)
[16:05] <jpds> genii-around: Was the grass greener at least?
[16:07] <genii-around> jpds: Heh, yes. And I got my Frisbee back!
[16:16] <popey> bet I'm older ;)
[16:16] <popey> 1972 vintage.
[16:23] <genii-around> popey: Summer Of Love here
[16:24] <popey> yay! a proper old fart
[17:40] <ikonia> hello lborda
[17:48] <lborda> hi ikonia
[17:48] <lborda> ikonia, hi
[17:52] <ikonia> lborda: hi there, your in the channel #ubuntu-ops, do you need help/support from the operator team ?
[17:56] <lborda> ikonia, sorry I thought it was dev/ops related
[17:56] <lborda> tks
[18:02] <ikonia> whoaaa
[18:02] <ikonia> I'll get him back
[18:18] <h00k> wha
[21:05] <genii-around> heh, Ploploploop and yeahyeahyeah are conversing. I just find the combination of these two nicks together amusing


[00:58] <hallyn> all right so, now that i've had some time whiel plugged in and stationary, i see i can charge the pinetime so long as i turn it on, plug it into my laptop, then turn it off.  (it wont' charge while turned on).
[00:58] <hallyn> Now let's see how long it'll run on a charge
[00:59] <hallyn> and then maybe i can get to some real work on this thing
[00:59] <hallyn> i kinda wonder if not having a sim card is maing it waste power somehow
[01:12] <tertl3> hi pinephone here
[01:24] <hallyn> and how's it workign for you?
[02:06] <hallyn> ok, so without really using it, 30% battery used in about 2 hours.  tha's good enough to experiment with.
[02:06] <hallyn> now the problem is ...  it doesn't seem to want to update
[02:18] <hallyn> and won't let me set timezone
[11:15] <Fuseteam> Pinetime and sim cards hummm
[18:37] <hallyn> d'oh.  i meant pinephone
[18:38] <hallyn> my pinetime, i can't seem to flash it, i'm sure i'm misconnecting the j-link across my breadboard :)
[20:21] <Fuseteam> Ah lol
[20:22] <Fuseteam> Hows it going with skeyer btw?


[19:12] <diniamo> Hey, so I was forced to go back to 18.04 which has an alternate installer because I couldn't even get past the first page of the installer in the LTS version, and I'm again having problems with it. I can't get past the partition check part where I have to click "Undo partitions and continue", or something similar. I ran a disc check and I got this
[19:12] <diniamo> result:
[19:12] <diniamo> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/98a1a084d006b38ed2e5bc1366e3c134/20210607_210709.jpg
[19:15] <Mekaneck> diniamo: lubuntu 18.04 isn't supported anymore since end of April
[19:15] <Mekaneck> just so you know
[19:16] <diniamo> I was hoping to get some support still, because I couldn't get the supported versions working... but alright then.
[19:17] <Mekaneck> activity is low here, wait until someone comes along with enough knowledge :)
[19:17] <diniamo> Okay sure
[19:17] <Mekaneck> or ask in #ubuntu but mention you use Lubuntu
[19:19] <diniamo> I guess I'll try that
[19:31] <capoccetta> hi all


[07:31] <Logan> Unit193: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_packages
[07:32] <Logan> actually that looks like it's for new packages uploaded directly to Ubuntu, not synced from Debian
[07:32] <Logan> I still think you should probably file for an FFe
[07:33] <Unit193> Ah right, BF is past.
[07:33] <Unit193> Thanks.


[13:10] <_ting_> hi
[13:10] <_ting_> how is everybody?
[13:10] <_ting_> has somebody told me how i can join to #java channel ?
[15:28] <xhaker> Hello doko, I'm looking into ant Depends and they don't look ok to me.
[15:29] <xhaker> doko: java-gcj-compat | java1-runtime | java2-runtime
[15:29] <xhaker> and then java-gcj-compat-dev | java-virtual-machine
[15:31] <xhaker> and openjdk-6-jre does not provide java-virtual-machine


[10:10] <didrocks> hey cjwatson! jibel and I have a question on ubuntu-cdimage: as with the new layered images we are building, we might not know in advance the squashfs, size, manifest files. We want to avoid to hardcode more filenames that already exists. In livefs.py, there are basically 2 code paths to download assets. One is using LP API (and so, can list all artefacts attached to a specific build) and the other
[10:10] <didrocks> one is just for filesystem + http:// download. We thought to match against regexp, which works in the LP case and for filesystem (via os.listdir()). However, tests are failing as they are using http mock server. I wonder if in production, only the LP path is took. If so, can we just detect "http" for tests and either create a manifest that we download or rely on hardcoded filenames?
[10:12] <cjwatson> As far as I know it's only ever the LP path in production, indeed
[10:12] <didrocks> so, do you think special casing tests, like not using the regexp for them, is fine?
[10:13] <cjwatson> Yeah, I think so
[10:13] <didrocks> perfect! Thanks a lot cjwatson :)
[10:13] <cjwatson> The http:// case may even be legacy - not sure
[10:13] <didrocks> yeah, sounds like it, but we preferred asking you directly :)
[10:13] <cjwatson> Obviously for good software engineering reasons keeping special cases for tests to a minimum is a good idea, but creating a sort of meta-manifest doesn't seem unreasonable, maybe with a fallback if it doesn't exist
[10:14] <didrocks> yeah, the best would be ofc to rewrite the tests to mock LP
[10:14] <didrocks> but I think that's out of our current scope :)


[12:15] <nixternal_> jenda: b4 you leave anytime soon, please fire me an email, message me, or whatever, but I would really like to know the layout you would like to see with the front page of the wiki. i have an idea or 2 on a design element, but wanted to check with you b4 i rode with it
[12:15] <nixternal_> also, i will probably create a review version under MarketingTeam/WikiDemo or something
[12:15] <jenda> we can do that now and here ;)
[12:15] <jenda> I'm done here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
[12:16] <jenda> Whatever we settle on with the layout, I'll post on the mailing list and the new sticky on the forum.
[12:17] <jenda> so, nixternal_, what did I miss in the mailing list? (As in 'did not describe')?
[12:18] <nixternal_> nothing that i could see..im actually getting ready to head back out and enjoy some more 4th of july festivities
[12:19] <nixternal_> i missed you guys so i had to connect remotely to check on you all ;)
[12:19] <jenda> Ah I see ;)
[12:19] <jenda> Well, I'll be leaving tomorrow, probably early.
[12:19] <jenda> which means even earlier for you ;)
[12:19] <jenda> Just improvise, nix - we can tune the details later :)
[12:19] <nixternal_> ya, that is why i decided to msg you in here for some info if you had some, otherwise I was going to rock on with some layouts and let you decide when you returned
[12:20] <nixternal_> good deal jenda..thats all i wanted to know..i shall take the helm, and stear clear of ice bergs
[12:20] <jenda> hehe ;)
[12:47] <jenda> nixternal_: you're candidating! You've got my support whether you want it or not.
[12:47] <jenda> Now get on with that wiki ;)
[12:47] <nixternal_> haha
[12:47] <nixternal_> you subscribe i see ;)
[12:47] <nixternal_> i appreciate the support
[12:48] <nixternal_> i figure, i need to start early and campaign to try and get jenda sized support ;)
[12:48] <nixternal_> could be impossible, but i sure am going to try
[12:48] <nixternal_> ;)
[12:49] <jenda> Haha :) Well if you can get about 343 people to woo you at the meeting, I figure you'll beat me ;)
[12:49] <manicka> i must rejoin this team...
[12:49] <nixternal_> manicka: i can get you on for $3.17 ;)
[12:49] <nixternal_> i need a vente mocha, and that will help ;)
[12:51] <nixternal_> people are starting to stare at me...im at a 4th of july fest on a laptop, using god knows who's wireless (city of barlett it seems)...and remoted into my box here that you see me typing on at home
[12:51] <nixternal_> good stuff
[12:51] <nixternal_> oh..and the good news...i forgot to put my wallet in my back pocket!!!
[12:52] <nixternal_> but i got my laptop!!!
[12:52] <jenda> manicka: you're on the team for... $2
[12:52] <jenda> ;)
[12:52] <nixternal_> oooh..i don't think i can go lower then that
[12:53] <nixternal_> haha i just met a Xubuntu fan
[12:53] <manicka> I'll settle for nix ;)
[12:53] <nixternal_> ok..im out of here now..people are staring to much...i need to find me a friend to bum some cash off of...cya all a little later!!!
[12:53] <hybrid> cl
[12:53] <hybrid> argh
[12:58] <manicka> does ubuntu-marketing have a launchpad page?
[12:59] <jenda> yep
[01:00] <jenda> hello hybrid ;)
[01:02] <manicka> where is it?
[01:05] <gnomefreak> nixternal_: good luck
[01:07] <jenda> manicka: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing
[01:11] <hybrid> hi
[01:20] <manicka> jenda, why would I get this message on launchpad?
[01:20] <manicka> Your subscription to this team has been deactivated. You can't join this team.
[01:22] <jenda> manicka: ah sorry about that.
[01:22] <jenda> We deactivated all members to prune the list. You have a message in your mail somewhere saying you should ping an adimn.
[01:22] <jenda> admin
[01:23] <jenda> Which you just did ;)
[01:23] <manicka> :)
[01:26] <manicka> I'm going out for  a while, I'll try again when I get back
[01:28] <jenda> you're a member now, manicka
[01:32] <manicka> thanks jenda :)
[01:32] <jenda> no probs
[01:32] <gnomefreak> :( new members buy coffee ')
[01:32] <jenda> Yeah, manicka... didn't I mention that?
[01:32] <manicka> what about reinstated ones?
[01:33] <jenda> gah ;) I guess that's a valid excuse.
[01:33] <gnomefreak> manicka: pizza?
[01:33] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:33] <jenda> hello jsgotangco ;)
[01:34] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:34] <manicka> bbl
[01:38] <Burgwork> jenda, can we set the channel as -t? there is not need to restrict changing the topic to chan ops only
[01:38] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:38] <jenda> gah
[01:39] <jenda> there
[01:39] <Burgwork> cheers, thanks
[01:40] <jenda> np
[01:42] <jenda> ANd I'm off to bed. Morning indeed :)
[01:42] <jenda> I'll be back later this 'morning' but only for a bit. Then it's no jenda for a week ;) See y'all at the meeting :)
[01:43] <jenda> BTW - would be nice to see us in http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[01:45] <Burgwork> that page needs some work
[01:45] <Burgwork> I need to merge wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingUbuntu and it
[01:50] <gnomefreak> Burgwork: im thinking just say another section all about how to help with ubuntu or how to make ubuntu great something like that?
[01:51] <jenda> It does indeed need some loving...
[01:51] <jenda> ah well - not me, not now :)
[01:52] <gnomefreak> night jenda have a good week
[01:52] <jenda> thx :)
[03:27] <Bilange> anyone happen to be around?
[03:28] <Burgundavia> Bilange: for about 30 sec more
[03:28] <Bilange> Burgundavia, are you trying to make a spreadubuntu mockup by any chance?
[03:28] <Burgundavia> nope
[03:29] <Bilange> okay then, thats all :)
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> nixternal_, whats the classroom?
[05:59] <hybrid> Kamping_Kaiser: it is for new users when #ubuntu is too crowed and what not
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. didnt know about it
[06:02] <hybrid> Kamping_Kaiser: when the NuN came back it was the first act of business we did :)
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, that things come to life again has it/
[06:03] <hybrid> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, thankfully ;)
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm....
[07:26] <KenSentMe> Good morning
[07:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey mate
[07:44] <jenda> Bilange: ping
[08:22] <hybrid> jenda: so what was Go Ubuntu? and why do they hate Spread Ubuntu?
[08:22] <jenda> They're a bunch of kids that think they invented the world.
[08:23] <hybrid> ah
[08:23] <hybrid> typical
[08:26] <ormiret> jenda: did you get any communication from them after their antics here?
[08:28] <jenda> yes - I spoke to Cory soon afterwards in his own channel.
[08:33] <jenda> Damn - I'm not going to be here to settle #spreadubuntu
[08:34] <jenda> zenwhen isn't responding (yet)
[08:34] <jenda> If it's still up there without the forward, could you guys take care of it somehow?
[08:34] <jenda> (It splits the team, IMO)
[08:35] <jenda> And it does'nt follow the official channels guidelines, BTW. autoop all the way, voiced people to show who's in.
[08:59] <mdke> hey jenda, you pinged/pung yesterday?
[09:32] <jenda> mdke: yep, I pung you :)
[09:40] <jenda> mdke: ping? again?
[09:41] <Madpilot> it's only twenty to nine AM in mdke's TZ, jenda
[09:41] <jenda> Madpilot: he responded to my old ping half an hour ago.
[09:41] <Madpilot> ah
[09:41] <jenda> and it's twenty to ten here :)
[09:42] <Madpilot> he's better at mornings than I am, then :)
[09:42] <jsgotangco> hey kids
[09:42] <jenda> aloha
[09:42] <Madpilot> it's twenty to one AM here
[09:42] <jsgotangco> what's cooking?
[09:42] <ompaul> I just made breakfast and served it - it was nice
[09:42] <ompaul> and most unusual for us :)
[09:43] <Madpilot> I just came home, powered by an Irish Coffee - and several pints of good beer
[09:43] <jenda> Things could hardly be worse :)
[09:44] <Madpilot> a rogue channel? it's trampled people and uprooted crops, has it?
[09:44] <jenda> No, it has one autoopped forums staff member and a voiced person I've never heard of.
[09:45] <jenda> Most importantly, it doesn't +if #ubuntu-marketing
[09:45] <jenda> That's rogue, if you ask me.
[09:45] <jenda> :)
[09:45] <jsgotangco> jenda: if you're talking about svn that make take a while since its centrally managed
[09:45] <ompaul> it was registered 4.5 hours ago
[09:45] <jsgotangco> jenda: jdub suggested bzr on LP that's a good proposition
[09:45] <jenda> jsgotangco: no, not at all.
[09:45] <jsgotangco> create a team under it
[09:45] <Madpilot> jenda, hmm, I don't recognize any nick there except yours, jenda...
[09:45] <jenda> argh :)
[09:46] <jenda> please read the mailing list, jsgotangco
[09:46] <jsgotangco> you mean webspace?
[09:46] <jenda> I'm on my way away
[09:46] <jenda> yes
[09:46] <jsgotangco> ping mdke =)
[09:47] <jsgotangco> :P
[09:48] <jenda> The debate for where to host it stopped in the doc team (mdke?) saying we might use a ubuntu.com subdomain and hosting by the docteam servers - but all they did so far was say that we need to get decided on what we need and blah blah. Got me quite upset, really, because I'm now where I started hunting volunteer hosts on IRC and no official MT hosting for people who come with SU proposals while I'm not here.
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jenda: there is not reason not to use the docteam svn server
[09:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:50] <jenda> Burgundavia: i need linkable stuff
[09:50] <jenda> not version control
[09:50] <jenda> for version control, there's launchpad+bzr
[09:50] <jenda> Unless I'm not getting something.
[09:50] <ormiret> jenda: in that case what's wrong with the wiki?
[09:50] <Burgundavia> still doesn't get youy linkable stuff
[09:51] <Burgundavia> for stuff in flux, we can build it out of the svn server
[09:51] <jenda> No, it doesn't. I wrote about this in the ML
[09:51] <Burgundavia> for stuff that is finished, it belongs on ubuntu.com
[09:51] <jenda> not finished - in the works.
[09:52] <Burgundavia> then subversion plus doc.ubuntu.com can work as a stopgap
[09:52] <jenda> well, I would like to have marketing.ubuntu.com for that
[09:52] <ormiret> jenda: why?
[09:52] <jenda> as you said - marketing.ubuntu.com should be for finished products, I don't think it should as that will be incompassed in spreadubuntu.
[09:53] <jenda> Please read the relevant thread on the ML, I need to pack.
[09:53] <jenda> sorry
[09:53] <Burgundavia> concerned about the specific choice of name, but not terribly concerned about the general idea of a specific subdomain
[09:53] <ormiret> I don't get why we need a subdomain (and have read the thread in the ML)
[09:54] <jsgotangco> thats it im sticking to bug squashing :)
[09:55] <jenda> haha :)
[09:56] <jenda> ormiret: theoretically, we don't. I can stick to asking random people on IRC to host things for me.
[09:56] <ormiret> jenda: what do you nee o host that can't go in the wiki or bzr/launchpad?
[09:57] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Spreadubuntu-060628-jenda.png
[09:57] <jenda> That's a little too long for a link, don't you think?
[09:57] <ormiret> no
[09:57] <jenda> OK
[09:58] <ormiret> if all you want is to make the links shorter: tinyurl
[09:58] <Burgundavia> not really, because stuff like that we are only linking to for a short while
[09:58] <jenda> no idea what that is, and no time to find out.
[09:58] <Burgundavia> again, finished stuff would be on the ubuntu.com website
[09:59] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep
[09:59] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:59] <ormiret> night
[09:59] <jenda> Can you tell me why doc.ubuntu.com is not in the wiki?
[09:59] <mindspin> jenda: I can host a "inofficial workspace" running on a cms if needed
[09:59] <ormiret> docs aren't in the wiki for access control
[09:59] <jenda> mindspin: thanks, but that's not the problem - I've got people who can host things like that.
[10:00] <jenda> But the option of a seperate subdomain got me stuck on it for the two days I had and the result is nil, which has me rather frustrated.
[10:00] <ormiret> and "they have a subdomain so we need one too" isn't a good reason :)
[10:00] <jenda> ormiret: tinyurl is nice.
[10:00] <ormiret> yeah I can understand that :(
[10:01] <jenda> But it doesn't solve my problem.
[10:01] <mindspin> what about the website/esign/html/css issue, after germany is out nw, I'll find time to start working on it
[10:01] <Madpilot> ormiret, I was just about to say that - about subdomains ;)
[10:01] <jenda> mindspin: that would be great ;)
[10:02] <mindspin> I would need the filepaths and such, got to know wther a cms is running and so on, who is in charge for that?
[10:03] <ormiret> mindspin: we're still working that out... but jenda is projcet leader for SU
[10:05] <mindspin> I know, therfore I ask who to approach if I want to know the filestructure on the webserver. So I 'll have to talk to someone whos responsible for the webservers on ubuntu
[10:06] <mindspin> I fI implement it on my machine, its redundant work to configure it for the "real" version
[10:06] <ormiret> right, that is still very much in the air I think. Do we even have a webserver for SU yet?
[10:08] <jenda> No we do not
[10:08] <jenda> mindspin: we're looking for design proposals ATM
[10:11] <mindspin> so I'll try to play around even if its double work at all....
[10:12] <jenda> play around with what, exactly?
[10:12] <mindspin> the website
[10:12] <jenda> Well, what we're looking for now is front page mockups
[10:12] <jenda> for SU
[10:12] <mindspin> layout and look
[10:12] <jenda> yes
[10:13] <mindspin> that#s what I will play with...
[10:13] <matthewrevell> jenda: Surely the Doc Team server space offer will suffice for SU?
[10:13] <jenda> it's not double work - it's as many as we can get and we'll pick the one we like best.
[10:13] <jenda> matthewrevell: if they ever get to finally giving it to us, yes.
[10:14] <mindspin> it is , because I#m sure that my "graphics will not be used
[10:14] <matthewrevell> jenda: What's the delay, as you see it?
[10:14] <jenda> So far, I've only heard "first make sure you know what you want and why", matthewrevell
[10:14] <Madpilot> jenda, that sounds like excellent advice to me...
[10:14] <jenda> heh - they will if they are the best, mindspin
[10:14] <matthewrevell> jenda: Sounds reasonable to me.
[10:15] <jenda> It doesn't to me, because I think that is quite clear.
[10:15] <matthewrevell> jenda: What can they offer us unless we know what we need?
[10:15] <mindspin> nope, I'm no graphics guy...
[10:15] <ormiret> jenda: what is it we're actually after from them?
[10:15] <jenda> OK tell me then - what is missing?
[10:15] <matthewrevell> jenda: Okay, so we need some web server space for SU? Perhaps they'd like to know whether it's gonna be running PHP, do we need a MySQL database or will it be flat files? Or even PostgreSQL?
[10:16] <matthewrevell> So, we tell them that sort of thing and they'll be more than happy to work with us.
[10:16] <jenda> Web hosting and a subdomain - they offered that themselves. If they haven't, I'd set up a server at Sara or nalioth's space and have it all set.
[10:16] <jenda> I'm happy with an apache directory tree somewhere linkable.
[10:16] <jenda> See mailing list.
[10:16] <matthewrevell> I'm concerned you're starting to feel that people are working against you.
[10:17] <matthewrevell> They're not. We're not.
[10:17] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:17] <jenda> Time is against me right now.
[10:17] <ormiret> jenda: I think the confusion is that you spoke about a repository, which to a coder is version control
[10:17] <jenda> I need to leave in an hour and I'm not packed yet.
[10:17] <matthewrevell> No it's not. SpreadUbuntu will live while you're away. Don't worry. Chill. It'll work better if we're relaxed about it.
[10:17] <jenda> ormiret: sorry - to clarify: we do not need any version control other than bzr/LP
[10:18] <jenda> matthewrevell: yes, that's great, but I wanted to have hosting set up before I leave.
[10:18] <matthewrevell> So pack, leave, enjoy your time away and those things that need you will wait. Everything else will carry on quite happily.
[10:18] <jenda> :)
[10:18] <matthewrevell> jenda: But why? We know we have a good offer from the Doc Team. It's okay mate :)
[10:18] <matthewrevell> It's summer.
[10:18] <jenda> matthewrevell: and #spreadubuntu needs to be taken care of as well.
[10:18] <matthewrevell> People go away :)
[10:18] <jenda> haha
[10:18] <jenda> :) OK
[10:18] <ormiret> right, I'll send something the ML clarifying what we need and it ought to be ready before your back
[10:19] <matthewrevell> Honestly, don't worry about things too much.
[10:19] <matthewrevell> biab
[10:21] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:22] <jenda> Yeah, you're right - this had me a little over stressed. Add to that my dad who constantly has me running to fix something on his computer (such as the printer icon not being there - fixed by clicking OK in the print dialog).
[10:23] <jenda> matthewrevell: if you could rip the SU wikipage apart as well, it would be appreciated :)
[10:29] <mdke> jenda: hi
[10:32] <mdke> jenda: you're not where you started at all, I said that there is hosting available. Only a day has passed since then, I don't think you need to get all excited about things. We'll sort it out
[10:33] <jenda> OK, mdke :)
[10:33] <jenda> Sorry, got a little stressed there.
[10:34] <jenda> I'll be gone for a week, count me back in Tuesday night.
[10:34] <jenda> s/in/on/
[10:34] <mindspin> mdke: are you familiar with the file structure of the server?
[10:34] <mindspin> or better, the file hierachy conventions..
[10:34] <mdke> mindspin: which server?
[10:35] <mindspin> the one wher SU will run on
[10:36] <jenda> mindspin: that is all to be decided yet.
[10:37] <mindspin> Ok I#ll keep my feet calm until it is clear
[10:37] <jenda> But... maybe we're running a little ahead of things. All we need now is a design proposal for the front page.
[10:37] <jenda> As for the content, it's sketched out in the wiki.
[10:38] <mindspin> you mean just a screenshot?
[10:41] <jenda> well - almost ;)
[10:43] <jenda> mindspin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-July/000475.html
[10:44] <mdke> mindspin: well, yes I'm admin of that server, so I am familiar with the filesystem
[10:44] <mindspin> I've read it already ;-)
[10:45] <ormiret> mindspin: somthing like this: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/mirror/ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntumockup54dh.png
[10:45] <mindspin> mdke:  its just useful to let the links point to rthe right places a.s.o. is it running a cms or is it "plain" html
[10:45] <ormiret> you can make it in an image editor if you want
[10:46] <mdke> mindspin: it's not running anything
[10:46] <mindspin> fine
[10:47] <mdke> you can use whatever software you like, within reason
[10:47] <mindspin> I'd prefer just CSS
[10:50] <jenda> ormiret: btw, that's very old, and SU should look different to what it was intended ATM of making of that mockup. It is, however, in essence what we're looking for, I think. I'd add a bit of text fro ubnutu.com to make it look more real.
[10:50] <ormiret> yeah, was just looking for an example of a mockup
[10:51] <jenda> OK :)
[10:53] <mdke> is that the same as the one on the wiki?
[11:01] <jenda> Hello Seveas :)
[11:01] <Seveas> hi
[11:01] <jenda> In soviet russia, jenda sets ban on YOU!!
[11:03] <Seveas> so this is spovet russia?
[11:03] <jenda> Well, it could be, but I'm feeling meciful.
[11:04] <Seveas> hehe
[11:04] <jenda> besides, it could be turned against me...
[11:24] <jenda> Gotta go. Back on tuesday night.
[11:25] <Madpilot> have a good trip, jenda
[12:27] <dabearWIN> huh
[12:28] <dabearWIN> #goubuntu redirects here?
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> huh?
[12:37] <dabearWIN> hm, seems correct. " #goubuntu #ubuntu-marketing :Forwarding to another channel"
[12:39] <matthewrevell> That's new.
[12:40] <Seveas> since earlier today it does that
[12:41] <matthewrevell> Oh right. Have the GoUbuntu guys done that?
[12:41] <Seveas> no
[12:41] <Seveas> freenode staff
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> thought it must have been
[12:41] <matthewrevell> Ah right.
[12:41] <dabearWIN> why did that happen? that gobutu-bot was cool :D
[12:42] <Seveas> for a very distorted meaning of cool perhaps
[12:42] <matthewrevell> Seveas: Do we know why they did that? I liked the fact that they were clearly separate :)
[12:42] <Seveas> matthewrevell, because people using ubuntu un their channel name lose their channel if they are abusive
[12:43] <matthewrevell> Seveas: That's fair enough.
[12:44] <Seveas> fyi, I am ubuntu <--> freenode contact, so you can poke me for any IRC related problems
[12:45] <matthewrevell> Ah nice one.
[03:30] <mdke> nixternal: no, no, no
[03:30] <nixternal> uh oh
[03:30] <nixternal> what did i do?
[03:32] <mdke> your mail on the "repository" thread (a) misunderstands what matthewrevell is saying, (b) confuses hosting sites in the Ubuntu datacenters with hosting sites elsewhere, and (c) is wrong anyway
[03:32] <mdke> i'll post to clarify
[03:36] <nixternal> are you talking about the *.ubuntu.com one?
[03:36] <mdke> yes
[03:38] <nixternal> i am going by what was brought up in a previous meeting
[03:39] <mdke> yeah, but you've completely misunderstood
[03:41] <mdke> don't worry
[03:41] <nixternal> ok. if images, and documentation, or ideas needs some hosting, can't that be done via bzr?
[03:41] <nixternal> spread.ubuntu.com would be yet another store front so to speak
[03:42] <mdke> bzr is a revision control system, it doesn't serve websites
[03:43] <nixternal> that i know
[03:43] <nixternal> hosting was a bad way to describe
[03:44] <nixternal> thanks for clarifying that...need to head out now..thanks mdke
[03:44] <nixternal> talk to you later
[03:46] <mdke> nixternal: ok.
[03:49] <mdke> nixternal: the basic position is to assume that all the tools will be available one way or another, and to focus on what tools are most appropriate for managing the project, and then getting on and planning the project itself
[04:22] <gnomefreak> is it safe to ban him?
[04:23] <gnomefreak> he was banned at one time i guess someone lifted it
[04:23] <matthewrevell> I've got channel ops
[04:23] <gnomefreak> me too
[04:24] <gnomefreak> screw it im banning him again i concider that flooding/spamming
[04:24] <matthewrevell> gnomefreak: I think he's probably joing #gobuntu, and noticing that it's forwarding to this channel.
[04:24] <matthewrevell> That's not what he expects, so he leaves and tries again.
[04:24] <gnomefreak> what do you mean fowarding (why is it fowarding?)
[04:25] <matthewrevell> Freenode have forwarded 'goubuntu here, because the channel has been removed. Seveas mentioned ealier that, as the #gobuntu chaps have abused this channel, they have lost the right/privelege to use the ubuntu name in a channel name
[04:26] <gnomefreak> ah makes sense
[04:26] <gnomefreak> ok lets see what happens but im thinking this cant be a good thing
[04:27] <matthewrevell> AFAIK There's only a couple of them and they're both banned from the channel, so I can't see it being a problem.
[04:28] <gnomefreak> cody is the (bad one) from what i hear
[04:28] <gnomefreak> him and his bot(s)
[05:32] <adamant1988> hello all.
[05:45] <adamant1988_> hi everyone
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:49] <adamant1988_> what's everyone up to today?
[05:50] <mindspin> Im playing around with su webdesign
[05:52] <mindspin> and trying to write a rather detailed text for the mailinglist about media relations and a project for it
[05:54] <adamant1988_> yeah...
[05:55] <adamant1988_> I wish kubuntu looked more like Ubuntu
[05:55] <mindspin> i love the kubuntu look
[05:56] <mindspin> beside my love for kubuntu at all
[05:56] <adamant1988> blue is jsut so standard anymore, the orange is 'different' in my opinion
[05:56] <mindspin> I like it blue and hate brown, orange is nice but ubuntu is far too much brown for me...
[05:56] <adamant1988> I really like the orange, and I liked KDE a bit more (except for my kubuntu install was buggy as all get out), idk, just a personal pref...
[06:13] <dabear__> does anyone know if we'll get a better kubuntu theme for edgy? I really mislike the current icons
[06:14] <adamant1988> who knows. lol
[06:16] <mindspin> dabear__: yup, for what I#ve seen, Ken and the other artists are doing well
[06:17] <dabear__> mindspin, ok good.I dunno who ken etc are thoug
[06:17] <mindspin> ken wimer is the one responsible for the artwork
[06:31] <mindspin> does anyone have a link to jendas SU  structure screenshot file ?
[06:32] <dabear__> SU?
[06:32] <mdke> mindspin: it should be on the wiki I think
[06:32] <mindspin> I#ll have a look
[06:34] <mindspin> got it thanks mdke
[06:35] <dabear__> this is what we should aim for in edgy :D http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/guimockups/desktop/menu_open.png
[07:17] <nixternal> hello all
[07:18] <adamant1988> hey
[09:33] <Cody> hey, I apologize about the spamming that happened
[09:36] <Burgwork> Cody, you joining and parting? spamming is only an issue on busy channels, so no need to apologize
[09:41] <Cody> No, thats not it
[09:41] <Cody> We were aiming spam at a particular person the other day, and I'd like apologize
[09:41] <nixternal> Cody: jenda will be afk for more then a week
[09:42] <Cody>  Yeah I know. And I am also curious as to why #goubuntu directs here...
[09:42] <nixternal> because of the incident and the bogus use of the ubuntu name from my understanding..that was done by freenode afaik
[09:43] <Cody> shoot...
[09:43] <nixternal> the ubuntu irc policy was disrespected, so that is why they did it
[09:43] <Cody> I guess the GoUbuntu project is dead then
[09:44] <nixternal> i believe if you are serious about spreading ubuntu and helping ubuntu, why do a seperate thing?
[09:44] <Cody> I hadn't heard of spreadubuntu.com
[09:44] <nixternal> this team is rebuilding currently and has great support from the higher ups all the way down in the community
[09:44] <Cody> Stromham was behind it, he could be evil...
[09:44] <nixternal> well, i would have to disagree with that, because your bot the other night said you had heard of it
[09:45] <nixternal> everything was aimed at jenda and spread ubuntu
[09:45] <Cody> that wasn't mine
[09:45] <Cody> I mean I didn't know about it til the other night, and thought they had come out of nowhere
[09:46] <nixternal> im not saying it was, but you fed into the whole situation...but that is old news...if you are serious about helping out marketing ubuntu, and knew about the Marketing Team, why start your own thing?
[09:46] <nixternal> im just curious
[09:46] <nixternal> spread ubuntu is actually a little old, however i had only heard of it over the past few months via ubuntupeople
[09:47] <Cody> Well, I am on your team now... spreadubuntu's progress was very slow
[09:48] <Cody> the goubuntu site was close to up, we had a meeting tonight, and it would have been done
[09:48] <nixternal> just so you know..what angered everyone was a combination of a few things...the misuse of the channel, derogatory remarks made towards a certain person, and for someone wanting to partake in the Ubuntu community, the CoC flew out the door with all of that...but like I said, the past is the past, and if jenda finds it so, then i think everything will be fine
[09:49] <Cody> I apologized to jenda via im
[09:49] <Cody> he responded ok
[09:49] <Cody> Do you mind if I help you guys?
[09:49] <nixternal> thats cool man
[09:49] <nixternal> i don't mind at all...all the help we can get is great
[09:49] <Cody> k, and my bot Cobotu is dead
[09:49] <Cody> so no worries
[09:49] <nixternal> Ubuntu is about all of us, not one person
[09:50] <Cody> yep
[09:50] <Cody> Do you guys have a logo?
[09:50] <nixternal> adding one more makes Ubuntu larger in that aspect
[09:50] <nixternal> we have the Ubuntu logo and thats it
[09:50] <Burgwork> Cody, the marketing team does not need a specific logo, we use the ubuntu one
[09:50] <nixternal> we will not be using a logo here...however it had been noted the color scheme with your lion logo was pretty nice ;)
[09:50] <Cody> thanks
[09:51] <Cody> If your interested you can view history at http://goubuntu.blogspot.com/
[09:51] <Cody> Does spread ubuntu have a blog?
[09:52] <nixternal> we got all of that...we did a little research while the incident took place the other night ;)
[09:52] <Cody> no surprises
[09:52] <nixternal> as of now, no we do not Cody, we are just starting a rebuilding phase
[09:52] <nixternal> all of that is actually be communicated through the mailing list and meetings
[09:52] <Cody> so you don't need one?
[09:53] <nixternal> as of right now, i would have to say no, but that isn't up to me Cody
[09:53] <ompaul> Cody,  have a look at that   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
[09:53] <nixternal> thx ompaul
[09:54] <Cody> k
[09:55] <Cody> cool
[09:55] <ompaul> Cody, ehh may I pm?
[09:56] <Cody> yeah
[10:09] <Cody> If anyone is using Kubuntu or Xubuntu, I'd like  some screeshots
[10:10] <Cody> screenshots*
[10:11] <ompaul> you would need to define what you want shown, I think it would be good if you got something together and asked people to dupe it
[10:11] <ompaul> so if you show playing a CD or browsing the web then that could be replicated
[10:12] <Cody> ok
[10:12] <Cody> I setup some example shots
[10:12] <ompaul> well even do them for real ;-)
[10:12] <Cody> thats what I mean...
[10:12] <ompaul> that works
[10:13] <Cody> Welcome daejuan
[10:13] <daejuan> hello
[10:14] <Cody> how are you?
[10:14] <daejuan> tired
[10:14] <Cody> hmmm...
[10:15] <Cody> caffeine?
[10:15] <daejuan> I could probably use some.
[10:16] <Cody> me too...
[10:17] <Cody> What ubuntu version you running?
[10:17] <daejuan> Edgy Eft
[10:17] <Cody> how is it?
[10:17] <daejuan> So far so good
[10:18] <Cody> cool
[10:18] <daejuan> Newest Gnome version as always
[10:18] <Cody> how much better is it?
[10:18] <daejuan> Update Manager is finely intergrated
[10:19] <Cody> that's worth the upgrade right there
[10:19] <daejuan> along with a few other things like Beagle
[10:19] <daejuan> I usually always run the latest version of Ubuntu
[10:19] <daejuan> As I like to mess with thing
[10:19] <daejuan> things*
[10:20] <Cody> I would if I could
[10:24] <Cody> So...
[10:25] <daejuan> what was the discussion before I got here?
[10:25] <Cody> My apologies
[10:26] <Cody> about spamming the other day
[10:27] <Cody> and I am helping you guys now
[10:27] <daejuan> oh, ok, so what was the spamming about? I read some of the log yesterday.
[10:29] <Cody> i believe if you are serious about spreading ubuntu and helping ubuntu, why do a seperate thing?
[10:29] <Cody> (02:44:34 PM) Cody: I hadn't heard of spreadubuntu.com
[10:29] <Cody> (02:44:41 PM) nixternal: this team is rebuilding currently and has great support from the higher ups all the way down in the community
[10:29] <Cody> (02:44:58 PM) Cody: Stromham was behind it, he could be evil...
[10:29] <Cody> (02:44:59 PM) nixternal: well, i would have to disagree with that, because your bot the other night said you had heard of it
[10:29] <Cody> (02:45:17 PM) nixternal: everything was aimed at jenda and spread ubuntu
[10:29] <Cody> (02:45:18 PM) Cody: that wasn't mine
[10:29] <Cody> (02:45:49 PM) Cody: I mean I didn't know about it til the other night, and thought they had come out of nowhere
[10:29] <Cody> (02:46:05 PM) nixternal: im not saying it was, but you fed into the whole situation...but that is old news...if you are serious about helping out marketing ubuntu, and knew about the Marketing Team, why start your own thing?
[10:29] <Cody> (02:46:07 PM) nixternal: im just curious
[10:29] <Cody> (02:46:40 PM) nixternal: spread ubuntu is actually a little old, however i had only heard of it over the past few months via ubuntupeople
[10:29] <Cody> (02:47:19 PM) Cody: Well, I am on your team now... spreadubuntu's progress was very slow
[10:29] <Cody> (recap)
[10:29] <Cody> Does that help?
[10:30] <daejuan> yeah, thanks a lot.
[10:30] <Cody> ok
[10:32] <Cody> hey, I added a few screenshots at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
[10:33] <daejuan> Cool, I can make a few screenshots of me doing random junk, like writing code, using Beagle, compiling software, etc..
[10:33] <Cody> sry its at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu#preview
[10:33] <ompaul> have you saved it yet?
[10:34] <Cody> yeah
[10:34] <ompaul> I am not seeing anything new
[10:34] <daejuan> I am, try refreshing it, it's probably your browsers cache
[10:35] <Cody> hmmm...
[10:35] <ompaul> End of edit conflict
[10:35] <ompaul> Cody, check out the conflicting things there
[10:35] <Cody> I am trying
[10:35] <daejuan> It should be three links under
[10:37] <Cody> ?
[10:41] <daejuan> ughh, I'm about to take a nap, been at work since 6am, and just got off at 2:30pm. May be back on later.
[10:41] <Cody> ok
[10:48] <Cody> quiet...
[10:48] <Cody> I fixed the conflicts
[10:52] <darkmatter_> dang.... eyes are getting sore... need a break from coding.....
[10:52] <Cody> what are you coding?
[10:52] <darkmatter_> hacking together a ubuntu specific mod of the slab...
[10:53] <Cody> nice
[10:53] <darkmatter_> it loks like I'll end up rewriting it... lol
[10:53] <darkmatter_> I'm making it cleaner/friendlier
[10:53] <darkmatter_> and a tad smaller
[10:53] <Cody> cool
[10:53] <Cody> have fun...
[10:53] <darkmatter_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/182683554/
[10:54] <darkmatter_> thats the current state
[10:54] <darkmatter_> search filter selection isn't functional yet
[10:54] <Cody> ok
[10:54] <Cody> looking at it now
[10:55] <Cody> looks good
[10:56] <darkmatter_> I'll probably set the show and more applications to relief none as the default
[10:56] <darkmatter_> so the button shows only on mouseover
[10:57] <Cody> sounds good
[11:01] <Cody> hello gaz00
[11:01] <gaz00> hi cody!
[11:01] <gaz00> how's it going?
[11:02] <Cody> good
[11:03] <Cody> g2g, ttyl


[09:15] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:15] <czajkowski> tdr112: read the tog post and at first glace I thought TOG was closing it's doors for good after 5 years, had to re read it to see you're moving locations
[09:17] <tdr112> czajkowski: I did see that, it is not well written
[09:17] <czajkowski> I love the image thye used it's nice
[09:18] <czajkowski> and a lovely blog post, and great to see you folks grow to a newer place
[09:18] <czajkowski> long time since meetings in smithfield
[09:21] <tdr112> czajkowski: yep we are moving from a 200sqM to a 550 sq M,
[09:21] <tdr112> More space than we know what to do with
[09:21] <zergless> class!
[09:21] <zergless> wheres the new one?
[09:21] <czajkowski> tdr112: impressive, I'm sure it'll be filled with ducks in no time :)
[09:22] <tdr112> 22 Blackpitts, Dublin 8, D08 P3K4
[09:22] <tdr112> http://www.tog.ie/2015/10/tog-3-0-we-are-moving/
[09:22] <czajkowski> OMG you used a postcode!
[09:22] <czajkowski> I've yet to see it being used in real life!
[09:22] <tdr112> czajkowski: I added it to the site the day it came out
[09:22] <czajkowski> impressive
[09:23] <ebel> I'm going to have to do some clever editing of OSM after the move. To ensure the OSM data history is preserved! :)
[09:24] <czajkowski> ebel: editing for the maps, or TOG or the postcode?
[09:25] <ebel> for tog
[09:26] <czajkowski> ahh gotcha


[00:48] <Omnifrog> how do i change my email registered with nickserv?
[00:57] <Unit193> /ns help set email


[13:00] <stub>  https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/pending-db-changes/+merge/43763, diff at http://paste.ubuntu.com/544036/
[13:00] <stub> jelmer: ^
[13:25] <jelmer> stub: Sorry, just got back from lunch
[13:26] <jelmer> Is the diff generator down btw? That diff still hasn't appeared.
[13:28] <jelmer> stub: Wouldn't this unnecessarily fail if the last line contained a comment?
[13:29] <stub> Yes, but I'd rather keep it simple rather than attempt to implement an SQL parser.
[13:30] <stub> I could steal the old regexp to strip comments, but that still has holes if you quote strings certain ways I think.
[13:30] <stub> False positives with an easily understood error message, or potential strange issues like the bug this branch is addressing.
[13:32] <jelmer> stub: Fair enough, though I don't think the error message is clear enough in that case.
[13:32] <stub> Suggestion?
[13:33] <jelmer> I think it should explicitly mention that the last non-whitespace character in the file should be a semicolon. if I would hit this error I'm pretty sure I would ignore comments when searching for missing semicolons.
[13:33] <stub> k
[13:34] <jelmer> stub: Other than that, r=me
[13:35] <stub> ta
[14:09] <benji> On call: jelmer, benji || Reviewing: - || queue: [] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || https://code.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[14:09] <benji> heh
[14:10] <jelmer> 'morning benji :-)
[14:10] <benji> :)
[14:22] <benji> leonardr: thanks for the info
[14:23] <leonardr> benji: i'm writing a merge proposal now. at some point i need to take a nap--i woke up at 4 am
[14:23] <benji> mars: I would have expected the exit code of the script to be that of the test run
[14:23] <benji> leonardr: k :)
[14:26] <benji> mars: shal I investigate?
[14:26] <benji> s/l/ll/
[14:27] <mars> benji, please do
[14:27] <benji> k
[14:28] <mars> benji, the test log I used was (I think) test.log.1
[14:28] <mars> benji, like I said in the RT, check the shell history
[14:28] <benji> k
[14:29] <mars> thanks benji
[15:45] <EdwinGrubbs> hi benji, it looks like there are couple of reviews in the queue that you can do. https://code.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[15:45] <benji> EdwinGrubbs: yay!  I forgot to look there.  I'll pick one up now.
[15:56] <leonardr> benji: https://code.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/retry-on-invalid-token/+merge/43784
[16:58] <EdwinGrubbs> jelmer: do you want to review one of my branches? The diff is actually much smaller than what the mp will say. https://code.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-638924-testfix/+merge/43791
[16:59] <jelmer> EdwinGrubbs: sure
[17:00] <jelmer> I'll make that my last review of the day though, if that's ok.
[17:08] <EdwinGrubbs> sure
[18:56] <jelmer> EdwinGrubbs: I need to get some dinner, I'll finish the review of your branch when I get back.
[18:57] <EdwinGrubbs> jelmer: ok, that's fine
[18:58] <jelmer> EdwinGrubbs: btw, I didn't see a linked bug for the MP  but the URL suggests there is one?
[18:58] <EdwinGrubbs> jelmer: oops, I'll fix that
[19:17] <gary_poster> flacoste: do you happen to have any context on that revision that I'm reverting for adeuring?  In a perfect world, someone with context would, since I have relatively little.  The ones with context that I know of are Robert, Abel, and possibly Graham, since he reviewed Abel's branch.
[19:17] <gary_poster> If you don't have much/any context, I'll just throw it to the on-call reviewers and hope that we are all on the right track.
[19:18] <gary_poster> (The MP is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/revert12041/+merge/43811 FWIW)
[19:18]  * flacoste looks
[19:19] <gary_poster> The basic context is trying to turn on Robert's librarian token stuff, I think
[19:19] <gary_poster> I guess that didn't work out yet
[19:20] <flacoste> gary_poster: yep, exactly, abel wrote some code to support private attachments in bugs this summer and did it using the existing patterns of streaming the file from the private librarian using the app server
[19:20] <flacoste> gary_poster: this branch was supposed to remove that and serve files directly from the restricted librarian using the token-based protocol
[19:20] <flacoste> it fails qa
[19:20] <gary_poster> Got it
[19:20] <flacoste> your reversal looks correct, i'll approve
[19:20] <gary_poster> OK, thank you flacoste
[19:21] <flacoste> gary_poster: don't forget the magic flags --rollback when submitting
[19:21] <gary_poster> right, thanks :-)
[20:39] <EdwinGrubbs> jcsackett: I've responded to your review from last week.
[20:39]  * jcsackett looks.
[20:41] <jcsackett> EdwinGrubbs: r=me on code*. i've requested a follow up from sinzui. thanks for those changes.
[21:05] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs,  ping
[21:07] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: hi
[21:09] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs,  about your PPA MP. The message shown to the user is "Remove", but the only link I see is "Delete"
[21:10] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: good point
[21:10] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, Can I delete a PPA that has no published packages? What happens to it during the merge. It is gone or transferred
[21:12] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, actually, I know the PPA is not transferred during a merge because there is a bug about merged users having PPAs.
[21:13] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: how is that different than the bug I'm working on?
[21:13] <sinzui> Edwin, we should prepare a query that sets all PPAs that belong to merge users to DELETED once your branch is released
[21:14] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, because we did not recognise this bug years ago, the UI had 404s
[21:14] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, the links to the PPAs will go away when the archives are set to DELETED
[21:18] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: besides changing "Remove" to "Delete", is there anything else that needs to be changed in this branch?
[21:19] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs,  has_ppa_with_published_packages() will let me merge with an active ppa
[21:19] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, that ppa will still be searchable
[21:19] <sinzui> I think the rules must change in the method, or merge deactivates it for the user
[21:21] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: ok, I was basing this on the same restrictions as for person renames, which is what Julian suggested, however, he might have not been thinking about that situation.
[21:22] <sinzui> merge purges lists for users. It is okay for it to delete an empty ppa, but I think delete is slow...it goes into DELETING first
[21:32] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: maybe, I should ask someone in soyuz if that is safe to do, then.
[21:34] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, +1
[21:35] <sinzui> I expect wgrant knows
[21:43] <EdwinGrubbs> wgrant: ping
[21:54] <wgrant> sinzui, EdwinGrubbs: Just running late for a sprint... I'll be around in 20 or so.
[22:28] <wgrant> sinzui, EdwinGrubbs: You need the PPA to be DELETED before you do the merge.
[22:28] <wgrant> sinzui, EdwinGrubbs: Since it needs to remove a directory named after the user from disk.
[22:28] <sinzui> wgrant, thanks
[22:29] <EdwinGrubbs> wgrant: if the user clicks on "Delete" for the PPA, does it take place immediately, or is it queued up?
[22:29] <wgrant> EdwinGrubbs: Queued up.
[22:30] <wgrant> Since it has to happen on germanium.
[22:30] <wgrant> It could take half an hour or more, if things are running really slowly.
[22:30] <wgrant> But normally <5min.
[22:30] <EdwinGrubbs> wgrant: does the user get an email when it's done, so they know when they can finally merge their account?
[22:30] <wgrant> EdwinGrubbs: No.
[22:31] <thumper> anyone? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/bugjam-619555-request-builds-logging/+merge/43731
[22:32] <EdwinGrubbs> benji: is it already your end of day? ^^^
[22:32] <EdwinGrubbs> thumper: I can take it.
[22:33] <benji> EdwinGrubbs: nope, 30 minutes left; if it's a small one I can take it, but I'm neck deep in Leonard's review at the moment
[22:33] <benji> EdwinGrubbs: I can take it, it's a small one
[22:33] <leonardr> benji: how is the review going? do you need anything?
[22:34] <benji> thumper: I've got'cha
[22:34] <thumper> thanks
[22:35] <benji> leonardr: I can't think of anything, but I think it's going to have to be a two parter so I can at least get you something by EOD today; I first did a once-over to get the idea of what was going on and now I'm doing a more detailed review.  I'll give you what I have in about 20 minutes.
[22:35] <leonardr> benji: ok, i'm almost eod as well
[22:35] <benji> yep
[22:35] <benji> you can sleep on it ;)
[22:41] <benji> EdwinGrubbs: I've reviewed https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/bugjam-619555-request-builds-logging/+merge/43731
[22:41] <thumper> ta
[22:42] <benji> thumper: since I'm being mentored, Edwin will have to approve too, of course
[22:43] <benji> but you're still welcome ;)
[22:43] <thumper> ok
[22:54] <benji> EdwinGrubbs: I've partially reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/retry-on-invalid-token/+merge/43784.  I don't know if you want to look at what I've done now or if you can look at the whole thing once I've finished it tomorrow.
[22:55] <benji> leonardr: I've put your bedtime story in a comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/retry-on-invalid-token/+merge/43784. ;)
[22:55] <leonardr> ok, thanks
[22:55] <benji> leonardr: the short version is "it looks good"
[22:55] <benji> leonardr: oh, one thing I forgot to mention, the tests fail for me :(
[22:55] <leonardr> benji: RequestTokenAuthorizationEngine has changed but i know that no one uses it right now, so i'm ok with changing it
[22:56] <leonardr> really. paste the errors?
[22:56] <benji> cool
[22:56] <benji> yep, pasting now
[22:57] <benji> leonardr: false alarm; I forgot that I did something stupid with that branch; the up-to-date verion passes just fine
[22:57] <leonardr> ah, ok
[23:01] <EdwinGrubbs> benji: I'll try to to look at what you've done so far.
[23:01] <benji> thanks
[23:02] <benji> ok, I'm off to buy a new van (why does the material universe have to hate me?)
[23:04] <leonardr> benji: did your van break/crash?
[23:06] <benji> leonardr: yeah; it's been broken for a while, but we found out yesterday just how broken it is (transmission is not so slowly turning itself into small metal shavings)
[23:06] <leonardr> ah
[23:06] <leonardr> good luck
[23:06] <benji> thanks
[23:23] <EdwinGrubbs> thumper: is it worthwhile to create a new logger class instead of just re-using c/l/scripts/logger.py/BufferLogger
[23:24] <EdwinGrubbs> thumper: if there is a benfit to having it in a list instead of a StringIO, it seems like you would have a much more feature-full logger by subclassing from FakeLogger.
[23:25] <thumper> I didn't see any point in having a fully featured logger
[23:25] <thumper> I though we could add things as we need them
[23:25] <thumper> although looking now
[23:25] <thumper> perhaps bufferedlogger would have been enough
[23:26] <thumper> I can change


[20:50] <ccope> images in this section aren't loading anymore: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#job-states
[20:51] <ccope> looks like maybe jhunt's directory is gone? http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/upstart-states.png
[21:57] <dsmythies> pmatulis: The updated overalll index.html for ubuntu.help.com is on my test web site now. Have a look.
[22:00] <pmatulis> dsmythies: looking...
[22:02] <pmatulis> dsmythies: looks great!
[22:04] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Just double checking: Are you O.K. with where I moved "Cloud documentation developed and maintained by Canonical and the Ubuntu Community." to? the only other place would be before everything, so I tought after was better.
[22:05] <pmatulis> ccope: looking
[22:08] <pmatulis> dsmythies: reading...
[22:09] <pmatulis> dsmythies: yeah, that really applies to all 4 cloud links
[22:11] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Yes.
[22:12] <dsmythies> pmatulis: so you think it should go before the big header "Cloud Tools Documentation"? Or are you O.K. with the way I have it?
[22:13] <pmatulis> dsmythies: i wonder if we could have one Cloud header and then put the sentence. followed by 2 sub-headers
[22:13] <pmatulis> (tools, installers)
[22:15] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Yes, I was thinking that earlier also. I'll do it and we cam compare. Leave a broswer open with what I have and then start a new one to show the new one that I will put there in a few minutes. ... I'll ping you when ...
[22:15] <pmatulis> or...
[22:15] <pmatulis> simply put this after each of the existing headers:
[22:15] <pmatulis> "Developed and maintained by Canonical and the Ubuntu Community."
[22:16] <pmatulis> dsmythies: as you wish. i don't want to make too much work for you at this time
[22:22] <dsmythies> pmatulis: O.K. I have it now, but don't see enough difference between h1 and h2 header, Will try h3.
[22:24] <dsmythies> pmatulis: O.K. with h3 headers is there now. I like it.
[22:24] <pmatulis> looking...
[22:25] <pmatulis> dsmythies: wondering if we need the "Documentation" in each of the sub-headers
[22:26] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Very good point. Wait a minute...
[22:27] <dsmythies> pmatulis: O.K. look again (refresh).
[22:28] <pmatulis> dsmythies: yeah, looks good to me
[22:28] <dsmythies> pmatulis: O.K. I will commit and push.
[22:28] <pmatulis> dsmythies: acknowledged
[22:29] <pmatulis> dsmythies: thanks for helping with my addition
[22:30] <dsmythies> pmatulis: You are welcome. It was not much work, and we got it right with this. Overall, new release stuff is a bit easier with the changes you suggested a few months ago.


[16:50] <mup> PR snapcraft#4120 opened: requirements: update craft-parts to 1.19.3 <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4120>


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[14:24] <slvn> hello, anyone there who could try this game on a ubuntu phone ? https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.1bsyl.spider