[07:19] <BigRedS> bigcalm: "the company will hire a network guy at some point" ; I wouldn't hold your breath
[07:19] <jpds> Everyone needs to know a bit about networking.
[07:20] <BigRedS> yeah, but just enough that it's dangerous to not have a network guy around to supervise
[07:28] <czajkowski> BigRedS: bingo
[07:40] <AlanBell> morning
[07:40] <AlanBell> looks like the phone thingie is 10% of the way to the goal, which is kinda impressive
[07:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> The first $3m was the $600 phone though. Now it's $830... Bet it slows down.
[07:41] <AlanBell> they would have to have a fundraising profile unlike any other crowdfunding event to hit the target still
[07:42] <ali1234> current 2-hour projction says 67%
[07:42] <ali1234> that's still very achievable if there is a big spike at the end, which there probably will be if it looks like getting close
[07:48] <ali1234> i wonder how many preorders jolla got
[07:50] <diplo> Morning all
[07:58] <directhex> ali1234, i can't find a kicktraq equivalent for indiegogo
[07:58] <ali1234> directhex: apparently they have a stats api. someone is pulling it and mirroring to U1
[07:58] <ali1234> and also generating the projection
[07:59] <ali1234> i don't know how it works but i am using this:
[07:59] <ali1234> watch -n 300 'echo -n "   Current:" ; wget -O - -o /dev/null http://ubuntuone.com/2woYdw7S6lUssuio7Jr69P | tail -n 1 | cut -d, -f2 ; echo -n "Projection: " ; wget -O - -o /dev/null http://ubuntuone.com/3KsmEumWq4td3vbHjSUQJS'
[08:00] <arc__> what is the linux mint channel on the irc
[08:00] <ali1234> #linuxmint
[08:01] <arc__> ok cuz i just put #mint
[08:01] <arc__> thanz
[08:04] <Laney> oh my god
[08:04] <Laney> this storm
[08:05] <Laney> MooDoo: tell me you're here!
[08:05] <christel> storm?!
[08:05] <christel> it is A LOVELY DAY
[08:05] <christel> (again)
[08:05] <Laney> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[08:11] <Laney> 5041 out of 5000 claimed
[08:11] <DJones> !mint | arc__
[08:11] <Laney> how did that happen?
[08:12] <DJones> arc__: The official support channel for mint is on a different network to freenode, see lubotu3's info
[08:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:22] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[08:23] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[08:35] <arc__> is it normal for the startup disk creator to lag/hang on (90-98%)
[08:35] <arc__> for 10mins +
[08:40] <bigcalm> I'm guessing you've opted to create user space
[08:40] <bigcalm> Oh, never mind then :)
[08:45] <neuro_> ali1234: where did you get those u1 urls from?
[08:45] <ali1234> found them on g+
[08:46] <neuro_> ah k
[08:46] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/108243663090085262773/posts/irW4n4abMs8
[08:46] <neuro_> haha
[08:46] <neuro_> that's no api
[08:47] <neuro_> that's aq doing a spot of scraping :)
[08:48] <ali1234> no the comments
[08:48] <neuro_> yeah, they're scraping, indiegogo doesn't have a public API
[08:49] <neuro_> notice tim using BeautifulSoup
[08:49] <mungbean> someone should add a plugin for supybot
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Sweet Child O' Mine Day! :-D
[08:49] <neuro_> wat?
[08:50] <JamesTait> neuro_, daysoftheyear.com has Hot Dog Day, which I thought was rubbish, so I trawled the archives and apparently Guns 'n' Roses launched Sweet Child O' Mine on this day in 1988.
[08:50] <neuro_> um, no
[08:51] <neuro_> Appetite for Destruction came out on 21st July 1987
[08:51] <neuro_> Sweet Child o'Mine was released as a single on 17th August 1988
[08:51] <mungbean> oh i thought we were celebrating the royal prince!
[08:51] <neuro_> ha
[08:52] <bigcalm> Humf
[08:52] <JamesTait> mungbean, maybe you're getting confused with Purple Rain?
[08:53] <neuro_> how could you confuse purple rain with babies?
[08:54] <JamesTait> neuro_, Purple Rain, by Prince. Tenuous, admittedly.
[08:55] <neuro_> yeah, i got that, i just didn't want to acknowledge such an awful pun :)
[08:55] <JamesTait> neuro_, I misrepresented the significance of the day - Sweet Child entered the Billboard Top 40 on this day in 1988.  Apparently.
[08:55] <neuro_> *how*?
[08:56] <JamesTait> Source: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/guns-n-roses-make-popular-breakthrough-with-quotsweet-child-o-minequot
[08:58] <mungbean> my baby was was born on 3.14 pi day, and the royal baby was born on 22/7 which is pi approximation day
[08:58] <mungbean> its fate...
[08:58] <ali1234> they should name him Thor
[08:59] <ali1234> because how awesome would it be to have King Thor?
[08:59] <neuro_> (note: kingly name not necessarily related to princely name)
[08:59] <brobostigon> or arthur? lol.
[09:00] <mungbean> ubuntu phone made the bbc
[09:00] <JamesTait> Now *that's* news. :)
[09:00] <neuro_> yesterday
[09:00] <mungbean> did i dream that they called him george?
[09:00] <neuro_> yup
[09:00] <JamesTait> Tyler, I heard.
[09:00] <neuro_> lol
[09:00] <mungbean> well they edited it today
[09:01] <mungbean> "As of Tuesday morning, the Ubuntu Edge phone had attracted just over $3,295,000 worth of pledges, but the terms of the campaign mean Canonical does not receive the cash unless it hits its target."
 The $600 ones are sold out.
[09:01] <mungbean> it was next to a story "beyonce gets hair caught in a fan"
[09:02] <JamesTait> Poor fan.
[09:02] <neuro_> lol
[09:02] <JamesTait> I mean, what was she doing to the poor person to get her hair stuck in them?
[09:02] <mungbean> 5043/5000>1
[09:02] <ali1234> hah, it's still going up?
[09:02] <mungbean> oooh another 10k funder
[09:03] <ali1234> bbc article should be good for another half million i guess
[09:03] <ali1234> otoh it was posted yesterday
[09:04] <mungbean> how many phones is that
[09:04] <mungbean> 600
[09:05] <ali1234> hmm RS has a free next day delivery offer
[09:05] <ali1234> anyone else get the email just now?
[09:06] <ali1234> is this even a change or are they just emailing to remind me they still exist?
[09:10] <mungbean> i accidentally clicked "fork" on github. how can i remove it?
[09:13] <mungbean> got it
[09:13] <neuro_> lol
[09:18] <mungbean> We wanted to let you know that Amazon.co.uk has introduced a £10 minimum spend to qualify for Free Super Saver Delivery in a number of product categories, effective 23 July 2013.
[09:18] <neuro_> wat
[09:19] <mungbean> Orders that include books, DVDs, Blu-rays, music, video games and software products continue to qualify for Free Super Saver Delivery with no minimum spend threshold. So whether it’s a new release CD for £7 or a bestselling book for £5, you’ll continue to receive Free Super Saver Delivery on millions of items regardless of the amount you spend. In fact, you will continue to enjoy Free Super Saver Delivery on all orders that include these
[09:19] <mungbean> sucks
[09:20] <dwatkins> ah, that's what that mail from Amazon Prime was about
[09:20] <mungbean> because argos etc will probably follow suit
[09:20] <dwatkins> Argos do free delivery?
[09:20] <mungbean> i bougt a small item t'other day with free delivery
[09:20] <dwatkins> that was the straw which broke the camel's back, clearly
[09:21] <ali1234> find the shop on amazon and then buy from their own website
[09:21] <ali1234> then amazon don't get any money
[09:21] <mungbean> with modelzone in administration, my local model shop closing for council enforced refurb, i have nowhere to buy models cheaply
[09:21] <BigRedS> The only stuffy I buy from Amazon is stuff actually sold by Amazon
[09:21] <BigRedS> else I figure I might as well just use Ebay
[09:21] <ali1234> i would rather pay more and buy it somewhere else
[09:22] <mungbean> yeah, i wish there was a button to click "NO 3rd PARTY"
[09:22] <BigRedS> mungbean: you can select "amazon.co.uk" out of the "sold by" list, but only once you've picked a category
[09:22] <mungbean> handy
[09:23] <BigRedS> ali1234: i keep meaning to, but Somewhere Else keeps being worse than Amazon
[09:23] <mungbean> i found a new retailer but their stock is not as diverse
[09:27] <neuro_> oh good, ovh / kimsufi's internal network has been compromised
[09:28] <mungbean> who?
[09:28] <neuro_> http://status.ovh.net/?do=details&id=5070
[09:28] <neuro_> french dedicated server host
[09:28] <mungbean> oh
[09:28] <neuro_> they "assume" the person got their european customer database
[09:29] <neuro_> name, ovh nic, contact details, encrypted+salted password
[09:29] <ali1234> there's a lot of this going around at the moment
[09:29] <neuro_> i know
[09:29] <neuro_> worrying, isn't it
[09:29] <ali1234> school holidays?
[09:29] <neuro_> ha
[09:30] <ali1234> i am not particularly worried by it
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I think there might be some bugs in saucy right now
[09:30] <mungbean> must be the weather SuperMatt
[09:30] <SuperMatt> /usr/share/lightdm/greeters is now /usr/share/xgreeters, but the lightdm confs haven't been updated to reflect it
[09:31] <SuperMatt> could be
[09:31] <SuperMatt> but it's driving me up the wall
[09:31] <SuperMatt> I've had to boot back in to osx
[09:31] <ali1234> symlink it and forget about it?
[09:31] <SuperMatt> yeeeaaah, that's not the only issue
[09:32] <SuperMatt> the dm won't start up, claiming it can't find any x screens
[09:32] <ali1234> surely that's intentional?
[09:32] <SuperMatt> I shouldn't have thought so
[09:33] <ali1234> just imagine if you had a choice between this, or 12.04
[09:33] <SuperMatt> ugg no, I couldn't use 12.04
[09:33] <mungbean> all my machines are 12.04
[09:34] <SuperMatt> it all depends on requirement
[09:34] <SuperMatt> and preference
[09:34] <mungbean> 3 are running elementary PPA though
[09:34] <mungbean> only one has unity (and not for long)
[09:40] <JamesTait> Potentially interesting graph: http://webnumbr.com/ubuntu-edge-funding
[09:44] <neuro_> potentially interesting because it doesn't work? :)
[09:44] <bigcalm> A page that never loads, nice
[09:45] <neuro_> oh, here we go
[09:45] <neuro_> oof, sharp tail after 4am
[09:46] <mungbean> how dare people go to bed
[09:46] <bigcalm> I guess I didn't leave it long enough. My loss
[09:46]  * neuro_ hears thunder outside
[09:46] <neuro_> oh joy
[09:46] <bigcalm> Was a nice storm, hope your power stays put
[09:47] <neuro_> i've had two power cuts in my nearly 13 years living here
[09:47] <neuro_> neither due to storms
[09:47] <bigcalm> Work me and Hayley up at 5am, terrible night sleep after that when we eventually got to sleep
[09:47] <neuro_> haven't seen any flashes through the window yet
[09:48] <neuro_> but it's definitely getting closer
[09:48] <bigcalm> Are you counting elephants?
[09:48] <neuro_> HAVEN'T seen flashes yet :)
[09:48] <mgdm> I've seen them, but I have headphones on so can't hear the thunder :-)
[09:49] <bigcalm> s/Are/Will
[09:49] <neuro_> good shout, choons
[09:49] <mgdm> there's another one
[09:49] <mgdm> neuro_: you at home or in Embra?
[09:49] <neuro_> home
[09:49] <neuro_> 9 secs from you saying "there's one" to me hearing it
[09:49] <mungbean> that page never loads for me
[09:50] <neuro_> which means it's between us :)
[09:50] <neuro_> my office window faces northish
[09:50] <neuro_> rumblerumble
[09:51] <neuro_> !!
[09:51] <neuro_> !!
[09:51] <mgdm> the one I"m looking at faces south
[09:51] <neuro_> wait, you're in glesga, aye?
[09:51] <neuro_> or embra?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> https://subbable.com/crashcourse is doing better :P
[09:54] <mgdm> neuro_: aye, glesga
[09:54] <mgdm> neuro_: beside the Squinty
[09:55] <neuro_> aye
[09:55] <neuro_> i always found it funny that stv and the beeb planted themselves right next to each other
[09:55] <mgdm> We were here first \o/ (as I understand it)
[09:55] <neuro_> :)
[09:56] <mgdm> and there was an effort to make a 'digital media quarter' down here (so says the sign)
[09:56] <neuro_> "beat it, ya publicly funded bawbags!"
[09:56] <neuro_> yeah
[09:56] <mgdm> Capital FM are between us and the Beeb
[09:56] <neuro_> pff
[09:56] <neuro_> at some point i want rock radio to turn a tx towards cumbernauld
[09:56] <mgdm> oh aye
[09:57] <neuro_> a legacy from Q96
[09:58] <neuro_> and sometimes the feed on tunein doesn't work right, so i end up listening to the manchester variant
[09:58] <neuro_> weird hearing the same music then some random ad for a manc cab company
[09:58] <neuro_> wow, thunder really kicking off now
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <neuro_> eeyoop
[10:04] <Dave2> I got a bit wet when cycling in
[10:04] <Dave2> Only a little bit, though, and it was refreshing
[10:11] <davmor2> neuro_: you can't blag me with your fake yorkshire accent, get ye back to Scotland ;)
[10:19] <neuro_> davmor2: dammit, busted :)
[10:20] <ali1234> has anyone read feersum endjinn?
[10:22] <ali1234> i read on some message board that the character bascule is supposed to have a scottish accent (he writes everything phonetically) but he always sounded more cockney to me
[10:41] <SuperMatt> woo! I have my display server back
[10:41] <SuperMatt> looks like the root of the issue was down to my box not installing the lastest kernel correctly
[10:42] <SuperMatt> that was a lot hairier than it needed to be
[11:04] <DJones> Can somebody let me know what my quit/exit reason was a minute or two ago, just wondering whether I was on the wrong side of a netsplit or whether I timed out
[11:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> (11:59:46) DJones left the room (quit: Changing host).
[11:05] <bigcalm> And just before that: * DJones has quit (*.net *.split)
[11:05] <DJones> Ah, thanks, that would explain it
[11:06] <DJones> netsplits yay
[11:11] <oourrf> hi
[11:11] <oourrf> how i can print to the same line in python?
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> print "the same line"
[11:12] <neuro_> lol
[11:12] <oourrf> instead
[11:12] <oourrf> 1
[11:12] <oourrf> 1
[11:12] <oourrf> 1
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> oourrf: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/493386/how-to-print-in-python-without-newline-or-space
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> oourrf: google is your friend
[11:13] <oourrf> google hate me
[11:27] <neuro_> gotta love hotukdeals.com sending out a deal in their newsletter today that expired 2 days ago
[11:28] <mungbean> anyone got experience with modules package rather than sourcing .sh scripts?
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: like dkms?
[11:29] <mungbean> no, like modulefiles
[11:29] <mungbean> The  modulefiles  are  added  to  and  removed  from  the  current  environment  by the user.  The environment changes contained in a modulefile can be summarized  through  the  module  command  as well.
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> kernel modules?
[11:29] <mungbean> environment settings
[11:29] <mungbean> man module
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: a TCL thing?
[11:30] <mungbean> yeah
[11:31] <mungbean> http://modules.sourceforge.net/
[11:43] <neuro_> hmm, that's the second delicious password reset request notification i've had in the last hour
[12:56] <neuro_> breaking news, royal baby to be called Linus
[12:57] <popey> Morning all
[12:57] <neuro_> why aye
[12:57] <mgdm> 'lo popey
[12:58] <neuro_> blimeh, another air crash in US last night
[12:58] <neuro_> southwest 737 nose wheel failure on landing at la guardia
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> neuro_: not "Steve"?
[13:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why not "The Edge"
[13:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> See what I did there?
[13:03] <neuro_> actually, it's going to be called Susan
[13:05] <mungbean> what would it cost (very approx) to send a box from derby->london , not very heavy but maybe approaching tv sized box
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: "Kevin"
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: so he'd be "King Kevin I"
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungbean: I used to have an account with Parceforce. UK Mainland 48hr up to about 40Kg was £8 IIRC.
[13:07] <mungbean> wow
[13:07] <mungbean> pretty good
[13:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife has used these before: http://www.parcel2go.com
[13:09] <popey> yeah, i have used p2g before, but there is a local boxes etc type place and they said dont use p2g, they'll undercut them every time
[13:09] <mungbean> trying to negotiate a sale on gumtree of loose items
[13:09] <mungbean> ^sale^purchase
[13:10] <mungbean> its a bargain but i don't wanna drive 3+ hours type bargain
[13:11] <mungbean> parcelforce looks cheaper
[13:18] <xnox> Laney: lastpass is confusing, tried to use to update a site to a random password generated by it, it well submitted the form but didn't store the new password in lastpass =(
[13:19] <xnox> Laney: oh noes, all is fine it did save it!
[13:22] <Myrtti> ugh, I just OD'd on salmiakki
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Salty Liquorice or the booze?
[13:27] <mungbean> so as ballpark figure, we need to see 1,000 phones in the $830 range per day getting sold?
[13:27] <marxjohnson> mungbean: that's about right
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> they aren't going up very quickly now.
[13:30] <mungbean> 283 since 7am
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> no enterprise bundles yet
[13:30] <mungbean> plus the regret effect where someone is cheesed off about not getting the first 5000, so waits a few days
[13:30] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: the candy
[13:33] <marxjohnson> Going to be interesting how Canonical play it, whether they're planning to let it run or there'll be periodic marketing pushes
[13:35] <mungbean> what's the story with the new elite game?
[13:35] <marxjohnson> mungbean: in dev I think
[13:36] <marxjohnson> http://elite.frontier.co.uk/
[13:36] <marxjohnson> "out 2014"
[13:38] <mungbean> best game ever
[13:39] <marxjohnson> better if they were doing a Linux port!
[13:39] <mungbean> ah, i was wondering why i didn't contirbute
[13:39] <mungbean> oolite gives my fix
[13:41] <mungbean> and my computer is 5yrs old
[13:50] <ali1234> david braben is like the george lucas of video games
[13:50] <popey> haha
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: who's the jarjar of the elite universe then?
[13:51] <ali1234> the people funding "elite 4: this time we really mean it"
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> "Meesa stupid!"
[13:51] <ali1234> i kid.
[13:53] <ali1234> but it's like when he was young and had people around him to say "that's rubbish, don't do that" - that's when he did all his best work
[13:53] <ali1234> now he's old and rich and gets his own way... most of it isn't great
[13:54] <ali1234> also i might be confusing some of his work with peter molyneux
[14:00] <mungbean> or bono
[14:01] <mungbean> a multiplayer elite needed to be done
[14:01] <ali1234> it's called eve
[14:02] <ali1234> it's a lot less fun than you would imagine
[14:02] <mungbean> i've heard of eve but didn't know that
[14:02] <mungbean> hence branding tends to do well
[14:02] <mungbean> single player elite is awesome anywy
[14:02] <ali1234> the only thing eve doesn't have is dogfighting
[14:02] <mungbean> especially with the oolite extensions
[14:03] <ali1234> it has literally everything else
[14:03] <mungbean> do you shoot people in eve or not though/
[14:03] <ali1234> sure
[14:03] <ali1234> but you fly with the mouse
[14:03] <ali1234> and dogfighting is inneffective
[14:04] <ali1234> combat is about strength in numbers and staying at the most effective range
[14:04] <mungbean> i spend most my time hunting lone traders and scooping up their cargo
[14:04] <ali1234> you cannot solo in eve
[14:04] <ivanka> yo aquarius
[14:04] <ali1234> you will be killed immediately
[14:04] <mungbean> :(
[14:04] <aquarius> heya ivanka
[14:04] <ali1234> i mean within 5 minutes of entering any sector where combat is allowed
[14:04] <mungbean> doesn't scale to MMO then
[14:04] <ali1234> yes, that is the problem
[14:05] <ivanka> aquarius, did you make an indicator to track ubuntu edge?
[14:05]  * ivanka ivanka wantss
[14:05] <ali1234> a game where you can choose to be a pirate doesn't work as an MMO except for a certain type of player
[14:05] <davmor2> ivanka: he did
[14:05] <ivanka> schoolgirl error
[14:05]  * ivanka wants
[14:05] <ivanka> aquarius, how do I install it?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> ivanka: he posted about it on G+
[14:05] <ali1234> because *everyone* wants to be a pirate - and if they don't, they're just constantly getting killed by pirates
[14:05] <aquarius> ivanka, I did. :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/108243663090085262773/posts/irW4n4abMs8 -- techie instructions, I'm afraid.
[14:06] <ivanka> have to go to meeting, will install later :-)
[14:06] <aquarius> ivanka, download that script, then "python name-you-downloaded-it-as.py" in a terminal...
[14:06] <ivanka> cheers!
[14:06] <davmor2> ivanka: oh I thought you were turning slowly into Golum
[14:06] <ivanka> davmor2 :-)
[14:06] <ivanka> brb
[14:06] <ali1234> so what they did was split the world into "empire" and "anything goes" - and in empire everyone afk mines all day, in the rest of space it's 100% PvP in throwaway ships
[14:07] <ali1234> on the borders at least. in deep null sec it's locked down by corps, which are player clans/guilds/ or whatever. 50% of the map is owned by goonfleet who are basically pro griefers
[14:07] <mungbean> 55phones/hour req'd
[14:08] <mungbean> well, between 45-55
[14:09] <mungbean> MMO sounds boring
[14:09] <mungbean> might as well go to work
[14:09] <ali1234> it is. it is like having a job
[14:09] <ali1234> the game is also known as "spreadsheets in space"
[14:09] <mungbean> including the commute
[14:09] <mungbean> in other news i got my phi coprocessors up and running
[14:10] <ali1234> i look forward to seeing how elite 4 solves these problems but i can't see it happening
[14:10] <mungbean> hard to understand the benchmarks though
[14:12] <ali1234> what is a phi coprocssor?
[14:12] <mungbean> a coprocessor made by intel with lots of cores
[14:12] <mungbean> but not cuda
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> numa?
[14:12] <ali1234> is that like the kinght's corner stuff?
[14:12] <mungbean> regular x86 code
[14:12] <mungbean> ali1234: yes, the new version
[14:12] <mgdm> mungbean: what are you using it for (out of noseyness)?
[14:12] <mungbean> research
[14:12] <ali1234> cool
[14:13] <mungbean> i have 2 servers with 2 cards each
[14:13] <ali1234> i didn't know you could actually buy that stuff
[14:13] <mungbean> they cost around £2.5-3k per card
[14:13] <ali1234> i thought it was still prototype
[14:13] <mungbean> i haz pics
[14:13] <mungbean> they released in march i think
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> but will they run emacs?
[14:13] <mungbean> yes
[14:14] <mungbean> they run linux
[14:14] <mungbean> you can ssh to the card
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> do they blend?
[14:14] <ali1234> hmm
[14:14] <ali1234> you don't just get X amount of CPUs in one system?
[14:14] <mungbean> its complicated
[14:14] <ali1234> :(
[14:14] <mungbean> you can offload jobs
[14:14] <mungbean> its not that complicatied
[14:14] <mungbean> but you can compile native code, or offload
[14:14] <mungbean> hold on , i'll find the info
[14:15] <mungbean> agh, my u1 still broken
[14:15] <ali1234> my code is using pool.multiprocessing still
[14:15] <ali1234> that means it just shells n pythons and then collates the results
[14:16] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/FjNMRcA.jpg
[14:16] <mungbean> need 100+ threads, and vectorisation
[14:16] <mungbean> this is usually a 1u server, but 1u is the co-pros too
[14:16] <ali1234> threads *and* vectorisation?
[14:17] <ali1234> it's SIMD?
[14:19] <mungbean> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/is-the-intel-xeon-phi-coprocessor-right-for-me
[14:19] <ali1234> "no"
[14:19] <mungbean> Rather than traditional narrow MMX, SSE or AVX vector capabilities, the Intel® Xeon Phi™ coprocessor is equipped with uniquely-wide 512-bit SIMD vectors
[14:22] <ali1234> i don't know if i could benefit from that or not
[14:22] <ali1234> maybe if numpy ever supports it
[14:24] <ali1234> my problem is i'm doing blind deconvolution by a brute force approach, using heuristics to skip certain "obviously wrong" answers
[14:24] <ali1234> but those heuristics also make vectorization impossible
[14:26] <ali1234> well, probably not impossible. just too hard for me
[14:27] <mungbean> also need intel compiler 2013 afai see
[14:27] <ali1234> yeah that's no good. i want to type "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and have 200 cores
[14:27] <mungbean> 240 cores ;)
[14:28] <ali1234> yeah, that :)
[14:28] <mungbean> i did
[14:28] <mungbean> as i say, ssh mic0
[14:28] <mungbean> runs linux
[14:28] <ali1234> and i can run 240 pythons and they all run full speed?
[14:29] <ali1234> that's all i really need :)
[14:29] <mungbean> give me some code and i'll test
[14:29] <ali1234> well the code is on github
[14:29] <mungbean> you can scp stuff to the cards, or p2p the cards
[14:29] <ali1234> but the data set is like 4GB
[14:30] <mungbean> don't have python on the card
[14:31] <ali1234> i suppose it's only a matter of time though...
[14:31] <mungbean> i could install a portable python in /home
[14:32] <mungbean> but native compiled code code is prob best way
[14:32] <ali1234> numpy is native compiled... it's even MMX optimized
[14:32] <ali1234> i'm sure one day someone will do a phi version too
[14:32] <mungbean> http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/topic/392736
[14:34] <ali1234> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/numpyscipy-with-intel-mkl
[15:18] <mungbean> this cookie law became the single most anything thing to happen to the internet in years
[15:18] <mungbean> especially on mobiles
[15:32] <SuperMatt> it did?
[15:32] <SuperMatt> Did I miss that?
[15:32] <mungbean> about a year ago
[15:32] <mungbean> every site i visit shows a massive overlay on mobile usually
[15:33] <SuperMatt> oh, you said anything, you meant annoying
[15:33] <SuperMatt> yes, I agree
[15:33] <mungbean> yes
[15:35] <BigRedS> haha, I read that as 'annoying' first time round
[15:36] <BigRedS> found SuperMatt quite confusing
[15:36] <SuperMatt> I'm a confusing guy, tbh
[15:51] <mungbean> new option appeared on the phone page
[15:51] <mungbean> double edge $1400
[15:52] <popey> indeed
[15:52] <popey> stay tuned ☻
[15:53] <mungbean> mungbean	maybe they should extend the $600 phone offer	20:59
[15:53] <mungbean> popey	that's not happening
[15:54] <mungbean> strictly true but...
[15:54] <popey> ☻
[15:54] <mungbean> cheeky pope
[15:54] <mungbean> y
[15:54] <popey> no, i was truthful
[15:54] <mungbean> you were
[15:55] <mungbean> maybe all hpones should be etched/numbered
[16:02]  * popey summons powers
[16:04] <davmor2> popey: Austin is there wow get his autograph..... Doctor evil too he won't be far behind
[16:05] <popey> who?
[16:05] <davmor2> popey: Austin Powers/Doctor Evil
[16:05] <popey> oh
[16:06] <davmor2> popey: you said summons powers
[16:06] <bigcalm> Gold Member and Fat Bastard as well
[16:06] <popey> yes, i get it
[16:07] <davmor2> popey: man that is bad jetlag or you need moar sleepz
[16:07] <popey> no, just not a funny joke :þ
[16:08] <davmor2> popey: man harsh ;)
[16:21] <Laney> wow
[16:21] <Laney> this is a lot of rain
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> times you need to start being scared:
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> * When someone from Britain thinks an amount of rain is "a lot"
[16:22] <Laney> it looks like someone is pouring a bucket of water over the window constantly
[16:22] <Laney> i had to turn the light on because it got so dark
[16:23] <Laney> wtf, now I'm getting wet at my desk half way across the room
[16:23]  * Laney shuts the window
[16:31] <shauno> heh, I got hit by a low-flying carwash earlier too.  quite refreshing
[17:48] <ivanka> aquarius, are you still online?
[17:48] <aquarius> ivanka-train, I am
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> ivanka-train: finally out of the meeting? :)
[17:49] <ivanka-train> MartijnVdS, :-)
[17:49] <ivanka-train> aquarius, so, this script, I am on 13.04
[17:49] <aquarius> ivanka-train, as am I
[17:49] <ivanka-train> aquarius, okay, that's good, was checking
[17:50] <aquarius> ivanka-train, so that's not the reason it doesn't work ;) There will likely be other reasons ;)
[17:50] <aquarius> not gonna catch me upgrading to a development release just yet!
[17:50]  * ivanka-train is going in
[17:50] <ivanka-train> anything to stop with the refresh!
[17:50] <aquarius> ...to a tunnel? :)
[17:50]  * aquarius laughs
[17:51] <aquarius> ivanka-train, so, I can talk you through how to run it, if that's helpful?
[17:52] <ivanka-train> aquarius, yes - I have got as far as downloading it
[17:52] <aquarius> ivanka-train, OK. Do you know where you downloaded it to?
[17:52] <aquarius> (the browser does not always make it very clear!)
[17:52] <ivanka-train> aquarius, looking at it now, it is in downloads
[17:53] <aquarius> ivanka-train, OK. Start a Terminal, and do: python ~/Downloads/ubuntu-edge-indicator.py
[17:53] <ivanka-train> aquarius, that is a good question though, not sure I know the path
[17:53] <aquarius> your Downloads folder should be ~/Downloads -- the ~ here is a shorthand for "your home folder".
[17:53] <aquarius> stop me if I'm being incredibly condescending, here.
[17:54] <ivanka-train> aquarius, you are not. carry on
[17:54] <aquarius> Condescending: that means "to talk down to someone in a patronising way" ;-)
[17:54]  * ivanka-train flips aquarius the bird
[17:54] <aquarius> OK. So, if you try the above command in a Terminal, you *should* get a new indicator in the Unity menu bar.
[17:55] <aquarius> alternatively, you may get some sort of error.
[17:55] <ivanka-train> aquarius, it's like magic!
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: add that to your job title: "Wizard"
[17:55] <aquarius> ivanka-train, it works?
[17:56] <ivanka-train> aquarius, it works, yes!
[17:56] <ivanka-train> aquarius, you rounded up to much, I want the detail
[17:56] <ivanka-train> aquarius, can I file a bug? Put in a change request?
[17:57] <aquarius> you can put in a change request by asking me for something. :)
[17:57] <aquarius> I have a bunch of people on G+ who are all "make a bzr branch" and "add custom icons" and I have had to explain that 20 minute hacks don't get proper tech support ;)
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: but it's open source, you have obligations!
[17:58] <aquarius> ivanka-train, you will, sadly, need to re-run the script every time you restart.
[17:59] <ivanka-train> I don't know how the rest of your users feel, but I like the big long number
[17:59] <ivanka-train> aquarius, I can handle that
[17:59] <ivanka-train> I hardly ever restart :-)
[18:00] <aquarius> nice.
[18:00] <aquarius> also, you can't close the Terminal that you started it from. :)
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> you can move it to another virtual desktop to hide it though
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> or minimize it
[18:00] <ivanka-train> aquarius, good job you told me that!
[18:01] <ivanka-train> MartijnVdS, so that's what virtual desktops are useful for!
[18:01] <aquarius> ivanka-train, the big long number...I don't have, for two reasons. The first, and most venial reason, is that it takes up too much room on the menu bar. The second, which is more important, is that the number only updates every 5 minutes (so as to not hammer the indiegogo people too hard), and that's really obvious if you have the full amount; if you only have $3.55m then it's not as obvious. :)
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> ivanka-train: that, and windows full of scrolling web server logs ;)
[18:02] <aquarius> ivanka-train, if starting the thing manually every time you restart seems really annoying, which it is, you *should* be able to add a new Startup Application -- Startup Applications is in the Dash, and the "command" that you put in the new Application that you add is "python /home/ivanka/Downloads/ubuntu-edge-indicator.py" (note that you can't use the ~ shorthand here).
[18:03] <ivanka-train> aquarius, ack (as they say on the internet)
[18:03] <ivanka-train> aquarius, that ack was to the reasons no long number
[18:03] <ivanka-train> I will investigate the other when not on the train
[18:04] <aquarius> ivanka-train, yep; if you're online when you investigate and get stuck, let me know and I can talk you through it.
[18:04] <aquarius> ivanka-train, stuff like that would be, of course, handled for you if this were a real project rather than a 20 minute hack ;)
[18:04] <ivanka-train> :-)
[18:05] <aquarius> now I have to go eat dinner before the cauliflower cheese burns to an absolute crisp
[18:05] <aquarius> ivanka-train, let me know if you run into further problems...
[18:05] <ivanka-train> will do
[18:05] <ivanka-train> bon apetit
[18:08] <diddledan> phoo where's this rain we were supposed to get today?!
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Laney's place
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: he got bucketloads of it
[18:08] <diddledan> hmm
[18:18] <aquarius> that was excellent. Not burned at all. Well done Stuart the Masterchef.
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: .. next on 'Come Dine With Me'?
[18:32] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, well, that's why I've been learning to cook this year.
[18:33] <aquarius> um. To be clear, I've been learning to cook so I can eat nice food, not so I get on telly ;)
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: suuure :P
[18:34] <Azelphur> hey folks, got a USB bluetooth adapter, works fine in my laptop (13.04) doesn't work on my desktop (13.10)
[18:35] <Azelphur> dmesg on my laptop says it loads btusb to drive it, pc does not.
[18:35] <Azelphur> any ideas?
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are you plugging it into a hub or in a port on the machine itself?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: USB2 port or USB3 (blue) port/
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: do other USB devices work in the port?
[18:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I've tried it in two different ports, it was on my internal USB port, which it has worked on before, other usb devices work fine in both ports.
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: so.. is it USB1/2 or USB3?
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: does it show up in lsusb?
[18:37] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: 2/3
[18:37] <Azelphur> yes it shows up in lsusb
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> so it's a blue port/
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> try a black one
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> (this sounds smurfist, I know)
[18:38] <Azelphur> black port, same results.
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hcitool de
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hcitool dev
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> does that show anything?>
[18:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's what I'm using to define if it's working or not, nothing in there.
[18:39] <Azelphur> (but when I use it on my laptop, it shows up in there)
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> are you sure it's not the laptop's internal bt thingy/
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> ?
[18:39] <Azelphur> yes, my laptop doesn't have 2 internal bluetooths ;)
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> blueteeth* :P
[18:39] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:40] <Azelphur> this adapter also did used to work on 12.10
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> I don't know then.. maybe some kind of rfkill thing? does dmesg say anything at all?
[18:40] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/XY5KSFBz
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: dmesg -T gives nicer timestamps ;)
[18:41] <Azelphur> fun
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: lsmod | grep btusb ?
[18:42] <Azelphur> btusb                  22474  0  || bluetooth             238521  12 bnep,btusb,rfcomm
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> so it's loaded
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> Stränge!
[18:42] <Azelphur> I did manually modprobe it to see if that solved it, it didn't.
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> you could diff the lsusb -vvv entries
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> from the laptop & desktop
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> see if there's anything different
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> does it work if you boot with it plugged in, instead of plugging it in afterwards?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> (you never know..)
[18:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nope, it was on internal, so it's always plugged in on boot ;)
[18:47] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: no differences in lsusb -vvv
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: anything in syslog anywhere?
[18:47] <Azelphur> short of bus and device, anyway
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> yeah but that's sort of always the case
[18:49] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nothing I can see really, the laptop does lots of bluetoothd stuff indicating it worked, I guess
[18:49] <Azelphur> while the PC does not.
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> I'm afraid I don't know
[18:50] <Azelphur> any idea where I could go for assistance? seems like a regression
[18:50] <Azelphur> and these are the $2 ebay adapters that half the planet has, so it's gonna cause problems ;)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> I'd file a bug: ubuntu-bug linux
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> get a $3 one from the local store
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> well £3
[18:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:51] <Azelphur> I think I have another one actually, wonder if that ones alive.
[18:52]  * MartijnVdS will be getting this tomorrow: http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-u2913wm/pd
[18:53] <Azelphur> this one works
[18:53] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:53] <Azelphur> this has to be a regression :p
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: maybe the serial number of 00000000 has something to do with it not working?
[18:54]  * Azelphur shrugs
[18:55] <Azelphur> still a regression, as I say, works on 13.04, doesn't work on 13.10
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> ubuntu-bug linux
[18:55] <Azelphur> yup, ubuntu-bugging linux
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> but.. a 21:9 computer screen
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> that's going to be SWEET ;)
[19:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: Problem in linux-image-3.10.0-2-generic, The problem cannot be reported: This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
[19:01] <Azelphur> o.O
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> yeah they're up to 4 now
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> -4
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> or -5 even
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> that said.. I need to reboot & upgrade my bios
[19:02] <Azelphur> oh, so I should update and reboot and try again?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: probably
[19:02] <Azelphur> righto
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and if it still doesn't work, ubuntu-bug
[19:02] <Azelphur> I'll attack that one a bit later then :)
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> <- back
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> somehow, Gigabyte main boards can't remember settings across bios upgrades, even if you store those settings in a file before upgrading
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> (and then re-load it)
[19:21] <Azelphur> anyone recommend something I can use to recover a busted exFAT partition?
[19:21] <Azelphur> my next fun mission of the day :)
[19:22] <Azelphur> this was a gopro that fell off a motorbike, I did manage to dd the partition without any errors though, so I'm hopeful something is there ;)
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have you installed the exfat FUSE bits?
[19:22] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: this is a live cd
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> exfat-fuse - read and write exFAT driver for FUSE
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> exfat-utils - utilities to create, check, label and dump exFAT filesystem
[19:22] <Azelphur> so dunno
[19:23] <mgdm> Azelphur: testdisk might get files off it?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> ^ those 2 can probably help with basics
[19:23] <Azelphur> I'll install them both
[19:23] <Azelphur> mgdm: cool, will try that :)
[19:23] <mgdm> it goes through filesystems and looks for files, and pulls those, but ignores directory entries so you don't get filenames
[19:23] <mgdm> often that doesn't matter
[19:23] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:23] <Azelphur> I assume I can run that against the dd image?
[19:23] <Azelphur> (don't wanna do any more damage to the physical drive)
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you can
[19:24] <Azelphur> cool :)
[19:24] <mgdm> Azelphur: aye, that's the recommended way
[19:26] <Azelphur> figured it would be :)
[19:46] <Azelphur> hmm, seems mount is playing up
[19:47] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/LKGSN82z any ideas on this?
[19:47] <Azelphur> no such file or directory my ass :P
[19:48] <Azelphur> hmm, I found out why, the image is empty, wtf lol
[19:55] <AlanBell> o/ victorp
[19:56] <AlanBell> victorp: so, is there someone on the project who understands the VAT question for B2B sales?
[19:57] <mfraz74_> AlanBell: has no one given a definite answer yet?
[19:57] <Azelphur> mgdm: hmm, it's asking me what partition table type, I'm not 100% sure but gparted says it's msdos, which isn't listed as an option.
[19:58] <diddledan> Azelphur: msdos partition table is also more correctly known as the MBR style
[19:58] <diddledan> MBR = Master Boot Record
[19:59] <Azelphur> found out it auto detects and suggests, so I went with it's suggestion
[20:14] <diddledan> what's ubuntu like on retina screens these days? (macbook pro 13")
[20:15] <diddledan> last I tried it on here everything was too teeny
[20:15] <diddledan> I would need it to 2x the retina and not 2x the external display
[22:17] <Laney> ohhhhhhh alice morgan
[22:52] <diddledan> so who's still awake?! :-p
[23:23] <shauno> at this hour?
[23:39] <diddledan> shauno: I didn't think you did late nights anymore - you said you'd got old or some such excuse
[23:40] <shauno> this isn't late :/
[23:40] <diddledan> lol
[23:41] <shauno> I'm trying to find the right googlefu to figure out why my kerbals seem to pass out / turn into ragdolls / explode


[00:49] <RikMills> urgh. glibc is now blocked by 'r' things :/
[00:51] <mwhudson> oh no
[00:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (focal-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[00:56] <RikMills> rmatrix (1.3-2+really1.2-18-0ubuntu1) is causing some to FTBFS as they need the real 1.3-2
[00:56] <RikMills> + various test fails
[00:57]  * RikMills goes to sleep
[01:05] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rmatrix/+bug/1915926
[04:19] <xnox> trying to rebuild r-bioc-preprocesscore against old R, but new glibc in bileto
[04:19] <xnox> such that glibc can migrate without r stuff.
[04:25] <xnox> looks good https://launchpadlibrarian.net/523825563/buildlog_ubuntu-hirsute-s390x.r-bioc-preprocesscore_1.52.1-1build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[04:25] <xnox> will copy that into the archive and it should hopefully unstick glibc from r
[04:27] <xnox> ok 25 minute wait for the riscv binary; then glibc should have a chance to migrate
[04:50] <xnox> r-bioc-preprocesscore copied into hirsute-proposed, which should be installable & migratable.
[04:51] <xnox> with glibc
[07:43] <doko> perl migrated \o/
[09:02] <Laney> vorlon: they are in the wip branch, needed various adjustments to the setup stuff, but I forgot the details now
[09:22] <RikMills> \o/ for new r-bioc-preprocesscore. /o\ for 3+ hr britney runs to see if it worked
[09:22] <RikMills> anyway, thanks xn@x. fingers crossed for glibc migrating
[09:55] <klebers> hey SRU team. We have uploaded a fix for dkms (LP: #1915051) and we've got some new autopkgtests failures reported. These failures are expected, as we were having false positives before and those can be handled by the kernel team.
[09:55] <klebers> I have verified the fix and made some comments on the bug about those adt failures
[09:59] <sil2100> klebers: thanks!
[10:00] <klebers> :)
[10:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: wireguard-linux-compat (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.20201112-1~18.04.2 => 1.0.20201112-1~18.04.3] (kernel-dkms)
[10:35] <RikMills> Laney: I like the metrics plot for the runners. armhf looks flat now. is that an issue?
[10:38] <Laney> no
[10:38] <Laney> I'm redeploying them
[10:38] <RikMills> ok. thanks for info :)
[10:41] <tjaalton> Trevinho: hi, see my comment on bug 1908119, should we aim for fprintd 1.90.9 instead?
[10:53] <seb128> the autosync job is still disabled?
[10:54] <Laney> I put that back earlier, it should run soon
[10:55] <seb128> thx
[10:58] <Laney> although I'm wondering now if we should wait for glibc to migrate first
[10:58] <Laney> would be bad if something got in the way there
[10:59] <Laney> yeah lets wait a couple more hours :p
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bind9 [source] (focal-proposed) [1:9.16.1-0ubuntu2.7]
[11:12] <RikMills> Laney: I in error triggered an i386 test for r-bioc-affy (rdepend of r-bioc-preprocesscore) which hasn't actually run since last passed in focal. will britney see that as a regression or ignore it?
[11:17] <Laney> it only looks for results it asked for
[11:17] <Laney> so should be ok
[11:18] <RikMills> Laney: thanks. just chacking, as did not want to cost a britney run ;)
[11:18] <RikMills> *checking
[11:21] <Laney> RikMills: heh
[11:21] <Laney> hopefully if glibc goes in they'll get a fair bit faster
[11:28] <klebers> rbasak, hey! I've just replied to your question on LP: #1912783. Please let me know if I need to update the package control file to update that dependency information
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-prime [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.8.16~<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:29] <tjaalton> sil2100: meh, I didn't notice your comment about nvidia-prime in time?
[11:29] <tjaalton> -?
[11:29] <tjaalton> :/
[11:30] <tjaalton> tseliot: bug 1904583 is unverified for bionic
[11:31] <tseliot> tjaalton, ok, I was waiting for somebody to approve it. I'll verify it, thanks
[11:31] <tjaalton> it was there for a few weeks
[11:35] <rbasak> klebers: thanks! Let me check I understand exactly. If a user were to get your west-chamber SRU but not your xtables-addons-dkms SRU, then installing west-chamber will fail?
[11:36] <rbasak> klebers: in that case yes, please bump the versioned depends in west-chamber-dkms.
[11:39] <klebers> rbasak, right, west-chamber-dkms uses a header from xtables-addons-dkms and I had to redefine some stuff on west-chamber that's not compatible with how things are done now, only with the new package
[11:39] <klebers> rbasak, should I upload a debdiff with only that change or diff against -updates again?
[11:42] <rbasak> klebers: I don't mind - I'll happily sponsor from either.
[11:43] <klebers> rbasak, great, thanks. I will attach a new debdiff soon
[12:12] <rbalint> vorlon, re notepadqq yes
[12:13] <xnox> really really want to see britney output today at least twice
[12:13] <xnox> to see if there is anything else missing.
[12:13] <Laney> think this one you'll be waiting for preprocesscore tests still
[12:18] <xnox> yeap, think so too.
[12:18] <RikMills> yes. I tried getting the tests in early until I saw that the armhf queue would scupper that
[12:18] <Laney> yeah let's not get into the habit of doing that anyway
[12:18]  * RikMills nods
[12:18] <xnox> RikMills:  also really we need that r-bioc-prepro... tests with R stuff from release with glibc from proposed.
[12:19] <Laney> why does it have that Depends biocgenerics thing
[12:19] <xnox> RikMills:  we _do not_ want the test results against R in -proposed for it. as we will be migrating glibc and r-bioc-preprocessor without the rest of r.
[12:19] <xnox> Laney:  the one in -release used private libc symbol thus has Depends libc6 > 2.32, libc6 << 2.33
[12:20] <xnox> Laney: the new upstream version rebuild stopped doing that, hence has libc6 > 2.29 dep.
[12:20] <Laney> not that, I  mean
[12:20] <Laney> Depends: r-bioc-preprocesscore r-bioc-biocgenerics
[12:20] <RikMills> xnox: I didn't doo against all or R in proposed
[12:20] <xnox> RikMills:  nice!
[12:21] <Laney> also it doesn't show as candidate in update_output_notest.txt
[12:21] <Laney> so i'm a bit dubious
[12:21] <RikMills> this is the implicit depends?
[12:22] <xnox> Laney:  looking.
[12:22] <xnox> Laney:  as if maybe i need to rebuild 1.50, against new glibc, and call it 1.52+really1.50.... ?!
[12:22] <xnox> ouch
[12:23] <xnox> Laney:  or just remove this 1.52 build and slot in 1.50 rebuild against glibc.
[12:23] <Laney> maybe, but why is it saying it do you know?
[12:23] <xnox> trying to figure out. one moment please your call is important to us.
[12:24] <Laney> I don't see a mention, it weirds me out
[12:26]  * RikMills looks at new excuses
[12:26] <xnox> Laney:  somehow build1 has Depends on r-api-bioc-3.12
[12:26] <RikMills> :(
[12:26] <xnox> Laney:  which is provided by new bioc-biocgenerics.
[12:27] <xnox> Laney:  let me try rebuilding 1.50 against new glibc, rather than 1.52
[12:27] <xnox> Laney:  then if that is actually installable, we'd need to remove 1.52 temporarily and put 1.50.0-1build3 in
[12:28] <xnox> how it knew to do r-api-bioc-3.12 i do not know.
[12:29] <Laney> O_O
[12:31] <Laney> it comes from the git_branch thing
[12:32] <Laney> I guess rebuilding an older version would probably go better
[12:32] <xnox> started it here https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4465
[12:32] <xnox> 1.50.0-1build3 against hirsute-release + glibc from proposed.
[12:33] <Laney> let me remove the proposed version now
[12:33] <xnox> (glibc provided by archive build-dep on a ppa with 2.33 glibc from proposed)
[12:33] <xnox> Laney:  +1
[12:33] <Laney> love this sketchy glibc from a PPA thing ...
[12:34] <xnox> the sketchy glibc is a copy of the -proposed build to kernel unstable ppa where they build all kernels for release
[12:34] <xnox> so should be safe enough
[12:35] <xnox> s390x build done and has
[12:35] <xnox> Depends: r-base-core (>= 4.0.3-1), r-api-4.0, r-api-bioc-3.11, libc6 (>> 2.33), libc6 (<< 2.34), liblapack3 | liblapack.so.3
[12:36] <xnox> which is old bioc abi, i think, let's check that.
[12:36] <Laney> half wondering if we should skiptest this too, rationale being that it will be replaced if/when new r stack gets to migrate
[12:36] <xnox> yeap it is.
[12:37] <xnox> Laney:  that would be nice.
[12:37] <Laney> I dunno if I am making an argument to fit what I want to happen though :-)
[12:38] <xnox> i mean, making it uninstallable would be very bad, as then britney will trade half of broken things here (like all of r) with less number of broken things here (like perl or something)
[12:38] <xnox> having r-bioc installable but broken is leaf and only affects r universe of things, rather than the world.
[12:39] <xnox> 20 more minutes for riscv64 build
[12:39] <Laney> yeah that's not part of any proposal, it's just having to wait a cycle to request and then receive the results, hoping they all pass
[12:39] <Laney> don't like leaf style arguments btw, leaf things are the things people actually use
[12:40]  * Laney meditates on skiptest a bit
[12:40] <doko> I doubt that. most of the leaf packages are unused
[12:40] <Laney> not sure how you can know that
[12:42] <doko> looking at popcon?
[12:42] <RikMills> publish > trigger tests britney would and get results > manually start britney run. would that work?
[12:42] <xnox> Laney:  i can run the tests in bileto ppa, and maybe we can prioritize ppa queue in autopkgtests somehow, to see those results first?
[12:43] <xnox> also i really do not want glibc migration to be split across two launchpad publishing cycles; i am pondering that we might want to pause publication whilst britney is copying glibc et.al.
[12:43]  * RikMills shuts up
[12:43]  * xnox checks queue lengths
[12:43] <Laney> xnox: run tests in bileto, add skiptest, if tests show red then zap the skiptest
[12:44] <xnox> Laney:  +1
[12:44] <Laney> I assume they would come back before the run finishes anyway
[12:45] <xnox> hmmm.... if bileto notices a thing in -proposed already, does it stop doing tests?!
[12:45] <xnox> Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[12:45] <xnox> [click for details]
[12:45] <xnox> sigh
[12:46] <xnox> Laney:  also it looks like no tests are run during build, only autopkgtest.
[12:47] <Laney> yeah they have autodep8 don't they
[12:51] <xnox> (made a second ppa with build4, in case bileto decides that it doesn't like / needs autopkgtest for build3)
[12:51] <xnox> i kind of wish bileto was just ppa creation & uncoditional britney without business logic.
[12:53] <Laney> isn't that controlled by setting one of the combo boxes to approved?
[12:54] <Laney> lander signoff maybe
[12:56] <xnox> well at the moment waiting for 1.52 to be gone.
[12:56] <xnox> otherwise it will pull that with glibc from proposed.
[12:57] <xnox> then will trigger tests.
[12:58] <xnox> and archive published.
[12:58] <xnox> pushing buttons in bileto
[12:59] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: I'm a bit concerned about those r all-proposed test runs you just queued; did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rmatrix/+bug/1915926 ?
[13:07] <xnox> 1.50.0-1build3 copied into the archive
[13:08] <Laney> FINGERS! CROSSED!
[13:08]  * xnox goes out for sandwich, then will force bileto to run tests in one or the other ppa.
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, thanks, I didn't see that bug no
[13:39] <klebers> rbasak, debdiff attached to the bug report to fix the dependency
[13:40] <rbasak> Thanks, looking
[13:46]  * Laney kills the hirsute run to get it to start again with processcore in proposed
[13:51] <xnox> bileto tests finally queue
[13:52] <xnox> and i also figured out a patch to make bileto states more useful.
[13:56] <xnox> i love it
[13:56] <rbasak> tjaalton, vorlon: I'll take care of west-chamber and sssd in the queue as they are carried over from my Wednesday shift
[13:56] <xnox> sil2100:  https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/bileto/+git/bileto/+merge/398343 and also https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/bileto/+git/bileto/+ref/%E2%9C%8A
[13:56] <xnox> i love that unicode emoji branch name works.
[14:00] <rbasak> My current input validation for git-ubuntu rich history imports through changes files that's in progress will reject that, FWIW.
[14:00] <rbasak> I'm not inclined to spend the effort to fix it for your unicode branch names :)
[14:03] <rbasak> (patches welcome, but it'll need some work in pygit2 so I no longer have to "shell out" to the git CLI)
[14:07] <tjaalton> rbasak: thanks, I guessed as much when looking at sssd
[14:10] <xnox> rbasak:  i don't plat to use it long term, but I do think setting my email from: to have unicode character did trigger thunderbird bug that got fixed. it was cute.
[14:12] <xnox> so i had it like that https://launchpadlibrarian.net/369618911/Screenshot%20from%202018-05-10%2009-28-38.png but all over with 🌈 in doko's mailbox.
[14:23] <sil2100> xnox: will look!
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem-5.6 [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.6.0-1048.52] (no packageset)
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted binutils [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.30-21ubuntu1~18.04.5]
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupd (hirsute-proposed/main) [1.5.6-1 => 1.5.6-1] (core)
[15:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupd (hirsute-proposed/main) [1.5.6-1 => 1.5.6-1] (core)
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupd (hirsute-proposed/main) [1.5.6-1 => 1.5.6-1] (core)
[15:32] <rbasak> klebers: anything needed for Bionic on the versioned Depends? Or will Bionic be fine?
[15:33] <rbasak> IIRC it's a different patch
[15:33] <rbasak> klebers: no need to bump the version in the changelog for Focal as it's not accepted yet, so I'll drop that part of your debdiff.
[15:36] <klebers> rbasak, it will work fine with any xtables-addons version in bionic. The way we detect the kernel ABI version is simpler in bionic and there are no conflicts on the header files
[15:36] <rbasak> OK thanks
[15:36] <klebers> rbasak, ack, good to know... thanks
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: west-chamber (focal-proposed/universe) [20100405+svn20111107.r124-12 => 20100405+svn20111107.r124-12ubuntu0.2~20.04.1] (kernel-dkms)
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected west-chamber [source] (focal-proposed) [20100405+svn20111107.r124-12ubuntu0.2~20.04.1]
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: power-profiles-daemon (hirsute-proposed/primary) [0.1-1~fakesync1]
[16:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected power-profiles-daemon [source] (hirsute-proposed) [0.1-1~fakesync1]
[16:53] <xnox> Laney:  it still has Depends: r-bioc-preprocesscore r-bioc-biocgenerics
[16:53] <xnox> Laney:  i am confused, i guess it is failing to tell what is where?
[16:54] <xnox> or is it migrating?!
[16:54] <doko> no emails yet ...
[16:55] <xnox> never mind, it's still running things.
[16:55]  * xnox got over excited.
[16:56] <Laney> haha
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sssd [source] (focal-proposed) [2.2.3-3ubuntu0.4]
[17:27] <vorlon> rbasak: so if the behavior of glibc is changing wrt syscalls, and this is causing a regression in the behavior of a leaf package, saying that we should backport the syscall to older kernels is unsatisfactory to me; since we broadly expect Ubuntu to run as a container on miscellaneous hosts that are of reasonably recent vintage
[17:27] <vorlon> eh
[17:27] <vorlon> rbalint: so if the behavior of glibc is changing wrt syscalls, and this is causing a regression in the behavior of a leaf package, saying that we should backport the syscall to older kernels is unsatisfactory to me; since we broadly expect Ubuntu to run as a container on miscellaneous hosts that are of reasonably recent vintage
[17:28] <vorlon> rbasak: misping, sorry
[17:28] <vorlon> rbalint: I don't mean that we want to block glibc indefinitely, I'd just like to agree a plan of action here that doesn't involve punting to the kernel
[17:41] <Laney> xnox: no good, it looks like we almost get there but the giant hint it makes fails on nvidia which ends up being due to linux-oracle afaics
[17:43] <xnox> I: [2021-02-19T17:30:41+0000] - skipped: glibc (367, 40, 6)
[17:43] <xnox> I: [2021-02-19T17:30:41+0000] -     got: 57+0: a-16:a-17:a-1:i-1:p-1:r-20:s-1
[17:43] <xnox> I: [2021-02-19T17:30:41+0000] -     * arm64: apitrace, apitrace-gui, apitrace-tracers, libdsocksd0, libnss-db, libsocksd0, libsocksd0-dev, nsight-systems, nsight-systems-target, r-bioc-affy, r-bioc-makecdfenv, r-bioc-preprocesscore, r-cran-wgcna, unscd, zeek, zzuf
[17:44] <xnox> i see that
[17:44] <Laney> look for 'glibc/'
[17:44] <xnox> Laney:  how did you get to nvida? ok, one sec.
[17:46] <Laney> pinged ap_w about that
[17:48] <xnox> i fail to find nvidia, i think i'm not looking at the right place.
[17:49] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yn4vP3n7Wz/
[17:50] <sigv> Do I understand it right: Hirsute packages updates wait for 7 days in -proposed and then move on to -release, but no verification?
[17:51] <RikMills> nope
[17:51] <doko> where do you see the new update_output run?
[17:51] <Laney> oracle should be flipped over
[17:51] <Laney> hoepfully that makes the kernels all go
[17:51] <xnox> doko:  we are looking at inprogress log output
[17:51] <Laney> doko: in the log
[17:52] <RikMills> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/hirsute/2021-02-19/13:59:18.log
[17:52] <xnox> sigv:  hirsute waits for 0 days and no verification.
[17:53] <xnox> sigv:  not that SRU policy does not apply to $devel series. and we are using automated migration based on autopkgtest results; not regressing builds; installable packages.
[17:53] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-release/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/commit/?id=77a8ddd48ca8ff4a55826ebbe48abca8e8996ba2
[17:53] <xnox> sigv:  because $hirsute-proposed -> $hirsute (aka release), not to -security or -updates. as it's not stable yet.
[17:53] <Laney> friendly bot is friendly
[17:54]  * RikMills sighs and goes to look for beer
[17:54] <xnox> leh sigh
[17:55] <sigv> Got the lack of -security and -updates pockets. The question I have comes up because of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/2.4.0-1ubuntu5 which is on -proposed but not -release.
[17:55] <sigv> Relates to LP: #1908065 where I just switched Hirsute status from Fix Released to Fix Committed, and started wondering...
[17:56] <RikMills> sigv: that is waiting on glibc
[17:56] <Laney> You might want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/ for more general information
[17:56] <RikMills> like 1.7 trillion other things
[17:56] <sigv> RikMills: any page mortal non-Canonical/non-Ubuntu people can see with a detail message on that reasoning?
[17:57] <RikMills> sigv: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#sssd
[17:57] <sigv> RikMills: awesome, got it - thank you!
[17:59] <xnox> sigv:  literarly the thing we've been working on to migrate for the past two weeks nonstop =) all of us. yes, lots of things depend on the new glibc which is being very pesky about not migrating.
[17:59] <xnox> =)
[18:00] <sigv> xnox: thank you for the heavy lifting! fingers crossed, wish you all to have smooth sailing with that migration sooner rather than later.
[18:01] <Laney> I predict weekend/evening #logstalking in our futures
[18:01] <RikMills> smooth sailing. lol
[18:01] <RikMills> but sentiment is appreciated#
[18:03] <sigv> really i can only do wishful thinking from my side here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:04] <RikMills> it's what keeps you/us sane ;)
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xtables-addons [source] (groovy-proposed) [3.9-1ubuntu0.2]
[19:19] <xnox> Laney:  ok the real html page now publish and i do see it know how oracle held that all up. lovely.
[19:22] <Laney> that part should be good now thanks to sforshee
[19:23] <xnox> Laney:  can we rerun britney without fetching any new results and use cached results only? or is that not a thing?
[19:23] <Laney> it is not
[19:24] <xnox> cool.
[19:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem-5.6 [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.6.0-1048.52]
[22:44] <Laney> glibc's going to go
[22:44] <Laney> bet britney crashes or something now 😅
[22:44] <xnox> accepted: pgbackrest glibc
[22:45] <Laney> beat you
[22:45] <xnox> hopefully britney run finishes all copies before archive publisher run, or only starts them after the upcomming publisher run.
[22:45] <xnox> Laney:  no idea if we can pause publisher.
[22:46] <Laney> not me anyway
[22:46] <Laney> what's the concern?
[22:47] <xnox> Laney:  inconsistent publication half things get published and pushed to mirrors without the other, as publishing happens half way through.
[22:47] <xnox> unless it was fixed to do atomic copy of the whole lot.
[22:48] <xnox> cjwatson:  423 packages publishing, including multiple kernels and glibc by britney getting migrated together.
[22:48] <xnox> should be ok right?
[23:33] <RikMills> ooh. emails. thank you everyone! :D


[15:26] <penguin42> anyone know a Sean Redmond ? Linux guy from around Manchester that my dad has been trying to contact, his known email doesn't seem to be responding
[15:28] <zxmpi_> maybe look on linkedin? https://uk.linkedin.com/in/sean-redmond-3681541a?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F
[15:41] <penguin42> hmm, that's him
[15:54] <davef> Right you lot, I'm here. It's almost 5pm and I'm about to hit Morrisons. Say goodbye to the UK supply of Jaffa Cakes and Chocolate Oranges
[15:55]  * zxmpi_ checks resupplied cupboard of jaffacakes
[15:56] <davef> I also picked up a Tesco mobile prepaid sim card. For £10 they gave me 20GB data. What?! I barely get 20GB for $60
[15:56] <zxmpi_> yes but it's imperial data so there's a zero missing there somewhere :-P
[16:38] <daftykins> :)
[16:38] <daftykins> davef: welcome home!
[17:25] <davef> Don't get me started on this millennial megabyte vs a gen X megabyte.. just because millenials can't deal with base2 math.
[17:25] <daftykins> how many jaffas have been slain thus far?
[17:26] <zxmpi_> he's single handedly saving us from the jaffa menace. all those season of sg1 are paying off
[17:26] <daftykins> :D
[17:26] <daftykins> "jaffa... cris!"
[17:26] <davef> Only a box of 3 packs so far
[17:37] <davef> Why did you guys order sunshine and hot temperatures for me?
[17:37] <daftykins> we wanted you to transition across the pond smoothly
[17:38] <davef> But Montreal was already working on that, it was 16C the day before I left
[17:39] <daftykins> d'aww


[03:13] <jessopo> hiya cassandra
[03:13] <jessopo> how are you?
[18:28] <cassandra> bumperSteff: Hello! If you have a concern that needs addressing by #ubuntu-ops, please let us know. If not, please do not idle in this channel, per /topic. (If you're an op in an Ubuntu core channel, please let me know and apologies for missing that.)
[20:19]  * phunyguy booty-bumps cassandra
[20:19] <cassandra> hihi
[20:19] <cassandra> not expecting anything interesting to happen, but you never know
[20:24] <tomreyn> yeay finally an excuse to use +o !
[20:24] <cassandra> may as well get the practice in, lol
[20:25] <tomreyn> :)
[20:25] <tomreyn> possibly (!) unrelated, BromaxSux keeps reconnecting every few minutes - is this above the threshold, yet?
[20:25] <teward> i mean I have a fairly low threshold for triggering on 'connect, die, reconnect' but that's just me xD
[20:26] <cassandra> tomreyn: if it's often enough to be annoying, +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something similar
[20:26] <cassandra> Drone will do it by itself if it crosses its threshold
[20:26] <cassandra> but Drone is conservative about it
[20:27] <cassandra> it's then on you to be in ##fix_your_connection and remove the banforward when they fix their stuff
[20:27] <tomreyn> oh i can wait for drone then
[20:28] <tomreyn> i'm just not around enough to be able to respond in time to such a removal request
[20:33]  * cassandra nod
[21:37] <phunyguy> ty


[05:09] <alkisg> Hi all, my package epoptes got a major update due to GSoC, and today has migrated to debian testing. Would it be possible to request a sync even so late in the release cycle? We (upstream) don't support the old epoptes release anymore...
[05:11] <alkisg> It's been tested in hundreds of schools in September, so I don't expect any regressions
[06:07] <RAOF> alkisg: You're after a Feature Freeze Exception
[06:07] <RAOF> !ffe | alkisg
[06:08] <alkisg> RAOF: thank you, that "FeatureFreeze for new upstream versions" seems like a lot of work, are all those necessary? The new version involved a python2/gtk2 to python3/gtk3 rewrite, so I'm not sure what a diff woulc reveal about it
[06:09] <alkisg> Anyways let me try it and see... thank you
[06:10] <tjaalton> isn't ffe mostly for seeded packages?
[06:11] <RAOF> Not unless we've changed that recently?
[06:11] <RAOF> Seeded packages get extra scrutiny (and have a harder freeze during image building), but AFAIK an FFe is still expected, even for something in universe.
[06:14] <RAOF> alkisg: The diff is not meant to be of the code, but of the changelog - ie: “Please describe what's new, and why we should have it”
[06:14] <RAOF> alkisg: “Migrated from python2 → python3 and gtk2 → gtk3” should be a pretty compelling reason :)
[06:36] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1795797
[07:56] <willcooke> LocutusOfBorg, hi!  Do you know if Debian has any plans to upgrade modem manager in sid to 1.8?
[08:10] <Laney> willcooke: cyphermox is the mainatiner of that
[08:12] <willcooke> Laney, ah, thx.  In which case, cyphermox - Do you know when/if Debian will update m-m?
[12:30] <cyphermox> I'm updating modemmanager
[12:30] <cyphermox> I don't know about NM
[12:53] <rbasak> sil2100_: around? May I have a second SRU opinion on bug 1782031 please? Seems to me there may be a functional (surprising) change to users there if unknown/notchecked ends up going to fail.
[13:04] <sil2100> rbasak: hey! I'm preparing lunch now but I'll look at it afterwards (and after one small meeting)
[13:18] <ahasenack> infinity: hi, you said squid-4 is crashing for you regularly? wrt #1794553
[13:42] <alkisg> Hi, regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1795797, I got an ACK from ubuntu-release and then I ran `syncpackage epoptes -d unstable`.
[13:42] <alkisg> I think I have enough permissions there to upload myself, so I don't need a sponsor, right? So I should just close the bug now?
[13:47] <rbasak> alkisg: looks like it has entered proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epoptes
[13:48] <alkisg> rbasak: what's the process after that? Do I need to test it and give an "OK" somewhere? Do I need to wait for some approval? Or it's ok and I should just close the bug?
[13:48] <rbasak> alkisg: usually bugs only get marked Fix Released when they land in the release pocket. Migration will take an hour or two unless it gets stuck for some reason. But for sync bugs, it's more fuzzy. syncpackage has a -b option that'll mark Fix Released that predates proposed migration. I doubt people running it today wait for that to finish before closing the bug through the script.
[13:49] <rbasak> alkisg: it should appear in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html if it gets held up for some reason. Otherwise it should land in the release pocket in an hour or two
[13:49] <rbasak> (actually it appears in there briefly regardless)
[13:49] <alkisg> Thank you, so I'll just wait until it appears in the release pocket and I'll close the bug then
[13:49] <rbasak> That'll be fine. Thank you for looking after this in Ubuntu for us!
[13:50] <alkisg> Thank you for this great OS too. :)
[14:01] <rbasak> mdeslaur, jbicha: looking at brotli in xenial unapproved. Does the Xenial backport need to be rebased on 1.0.3-1ubuntu1.2 that's in the security pocket? It's not obvious to me why a no change rebuild was needed for security, so I'm wondering if any consideration of that reason is needed for the Xenial backport.
[14:04] <jbicha> just a guess but I'm thinking the packages in bionic release are frozen and we need a new package version to promote it to main ??
[14:05] <rbasak> Why the security pocket?
[14:06] <mdeslaur> rbasak: because it was needed for a webkit2gtk security update and we don't build with -updates enabled
[14:06] <rbasak> mdeslaur: I don't follow. Why would a no change rebuild be needed in that direction?
[14:07] <rbasak> Unless I misunderstand the depndency direction?
[14:07] <mdeslaur> to promote it to main, and be properly handled by ubuntu-support-status, we need a no-change rebuild
[14:07] <rbasak> Oh
[14:07] <rbasak> Right
[14:07] <mdeslaur> the no-change rebuild needs to happen in -security
[14:08] <rbasak> Ah, so that the webkit2gtk build can find it?
[14:08] <mdeslaur> yeah
[14:08] <rbasak> No implications for a Xenial SRU then. Thanks!
[14:08] <mdeslaur> hrm, I also needed an armhf fix in bionic
[14:08] <mdeslaur> or it FTBFS
[14:08] <mdeslaur> does the xenial sru one build on armhf?
[14:09] <rbasak> jbicha: ^ that's a question for you I think
[14:09] <jbicha> I didn't test on armhf :)
[14:10] <jbicha> rbasak: I think I'll need an AA to handle this SRU anyway
[14:11] <rbasak> It's in xenial unapproved atm
[14:12] <jbicha> currently I believe we're not sure whether we're going to be able to do further security uploads for webkit2gtk in xenial since the new version wants gcc-6
[14:12] <jbicha> so once brotli & woff2 are in place, I was going to do an SRU to re-enable woff2 support there
[14:14] <rbasak> OK, so you still want to land this brotli SRU?
[14:14] <rbasak> Could you test the armhf build please, eg. in a PPA? Would save going round the queue twice.
[14:14] <jbicha> I am testing the armhf build now
[14:14] <rbasak> Thanks
[14:16] <rbasak> juliank: in bug 1795614, please could you describe the actual impact to users of the bug? Right now all I see is a technical description of the problem, but I can't infer from that how users are actually affected.
[14:24] <rbasak> mwhudson: bug 1785026, Regression Potential "Nothing." isn't acceptable. Please see the docs and update.
[14:26] <rbasak> mwhudson: same with bug 1794936 please. " It is assumed that any SRU candidate patch is well-tested before upload and has a low overall risk of regression, but it's important to make the effort to think about what could happen in the event of a regression." -- so "unlikely" is also pointless.
[14:27] <rbasak> mwhudson: think of it as informing anyone performing SRU verification on where to look.
[14:29] <rbasak> tjaalton: shouldn't bug 1794690 go in via the security pocket?
[14:30] <daniel-mcr> Hi all, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this. I'm using Debian 9 with Gnome 3, Software and Updates, Updates tab, drop down When there are other updates is blank, is this intentional?
[14:30] <tjaalton> rbasak: maybe?
[14:31] <daniel-mcr> If it is not the right place, please advise which channel etc. Thanks
[14:31] <rbasak> tjaalton: could you liase with the security team please? If it's going to security, then it's a different process than an SRU upload
[14:31] <tjaalton> ok
[14:33] <juliank> rbasak: I added something about race conditions and broken install operations to that
[14:33] <rbasak> daniel-mcr: if you're not using Ubuntu, then Ubuntu channels are the wrong place. Try #debian on OFTC for user support for Debian users.
[14:33] <daniel-mcr> rbasak: cheers, appreciated.
[14:34] <daniel-mcr> rbasak: Sorry OFTC?
[14:34] <cjwatson> https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
[14:35] <daniel-mcr> cjwatson: cheers
[14:35] <cjwatson> Or indeed https://www.debian.org/support#irc
[14:35] <rbasak> juliank: so that explains why frontend locking is necessary, but how does this particular bug impact users? What's wrong for users as a consequence of this bug? Eg. what user story is broken?
[14:36] <jbicha> rbasak: brotli built on all arches for me, but like I said before I think we need an AA to handle this SRU
[14:36] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/arch/+sourcepub/9464055/+listing-archive-extra
[14:37] <rbasak> jbicha: AA -> because it's a new binary? AIUI, an SRU team member needs to consider it against SRU policy and accept, and only then will it go into the new queue for an AA to review.
[14:37] <rbasak> jbicha: thanks for testing the armhf side
[14:37] <jbicha> it needs to be promoted to main too
[14:38] <jbicha> similarly, there is woff2 in the xenial new queue
[15:19] <didrocks> bdmurray: hey! do-release-upgrade -d on bionic doesn't want to update to cosmic, telling I'm not on the last supported version
[15:20] <xnox> didrocks, change from 'lts' to 'normal' in /etc/....
[15:20] <xnox> didrocks, we park people on ltses... everytime they get to one
[15:20] <bdmurray> update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:20] <didrocks> even if they run manually with -d?
[15:20] <xnox> didrocks, /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:21] <bdmurray> Yeah, because -d on LTS would be the LTS release under development
[15:21] <xnox> didrocks, we keep saying "--prompt=normal|lts" should be a command line falg
[15:21] <bdmurray> xnox: we do?
[15:21] <xnox> bdmurray, we have =)
[15:21] <didrocks> bdmurray: oh, I wasn't seeing it like that, but ok, kind of makes sense
[15:21] <didrocks> the error message is confusing though
[15:21] <didrocks> thanks xnox, bdmurray :)
[15:22] <xnox> bdmurray, to be fair '-d' could be either, as it will never be the case that there is both "a normal devel release" and "a new lts release" because we will not jump past an lts release, to a normal devel one.
[19:15] <infinity> ahasenack: So it would seem.
[19:26] <ahasenack> infinity: can you try the packages from the ppa I posted in the bug/
[19:26] <ahasenack> ?
[19:28] <infinity> ahasenack: Can do, though I'm not sure how to trigger the crash itself.
[19:28] <ahasenack> infinity: sure. I'm counting on it going from "frequent" to "haven't seen it since <x>"
[19:28] <ahasenack> infinity: any particular config you might be using?
[19:29] <infinity> ahasenack: a pretty stock squid-deb-proxy, modulo adding a few more whitelist sites.
[19:29] <ahasenack> I also have squid as a cache for my home network and haven't seen the crash yet
[19:29] <ahasenack> ok
[19:29] <ahasenack> I'm not using squid-deb-proxy, though, just squid with a generous caching config
[19:33] <infinity> ahasenack: I'll give it a whirl.  I also need to figure out how to undo my telling appot to "ignore future erors of this type". :P
[19:33] <ahasenack> that might be something in /var/crash/ itself, but I'm just guessing
[19:34] <ahasenack> infinity: is squid restarted automatically when it crashes? Also, the logs from /var/log/squid/cache.log could be useful, maybe they say what triggered the crash, if you still have them
[19:37] <infinity> ahasenack: Logs don't look particularly helpful.  And yes, I tihnk it's respawned when it dies.
[19:37] <ahasenack> ok
[19:39] <infinity> ahasenack: Oh, hrm, I also seem to have two squids running.  One with squid-deb-proxy.conf, one without.  That doesn't seem right.
[19:40] <ahasenack> doesn't the deb-proxy one run in another port?
[19:40] <ahasenack> 8000 maybe?
[19:40] <ahasenack> it runs with its own config file, it *shouldn't* conflict with normal squid
[19:40] <infinity> ahasenack: Yes, but the non-deb-proxy shouldn't be running at all.  It certainly wasn't in the past.
[19:40] <infinity> I wonder what changed to make that happen, and if it was my fault somehow.
[19:41]  * ahasenack tries "apt install squid-deb-proxy"
[19:42] <infinity> ahasenack: Oh, it switched to systemd units.  I bet there used to be a "please don't run" thing in /etc/default that's now ignored. :/
[19:42] <infinity> # cat /etc/default/squid
[19:42] <infinity> DAEMON=nonexistant
[19:42] <infinity> Yeah.
[19:42] <ahasenack> a fresh install in bionic has the same result, two squids running
[19:42] <infinity> So now I get two when I don't want two.
[19:43] <infinity> I guess I could mask the service.  Ick.
[19:43] <ahasenack> hm, I don't have an /etc/default/squid
[19:43] <ahasenack> is this system something you have been release-upgrading for a while?
[19:46] <ahasenack> I guess in bionic you could create an /etc/default/squid file, because the sysv initscript will source that if it exists, and use $DAEMON to run it
[19:47] <ahasenack> and the initscript has this check: [ -x $DAEMON ] || exit 0
[19:47] <ahasenack> so if you set DAEMON to something that is not -x, the initscript will silently exit
[19:47] <ahasenack> same for squid-deb-proxy's initscript, except it sources /etc/default/squid-deb-proxy if it exists
[19:51] <infinity> ahasenack: Right, exactly.
[19:51] <infinity> ahasenack: Hence I created that to stop squid from running.
[19:51] <infinity> ahasenack: And the sysv->systemd upgrade entirely ignores that.
[19:52] <ahasenack> right, and with systemd, that doesn't work anymore bceause the file is not read
[19:52] <ahasenack> sounds like a bug
[19:54] <infinity> ahasenack: The squid changelog claims it's documented in NEWS.Debian... Which doesn't appear to exist. ;)
[19:54] <ahasenack> I see it in the source, maybe it's not being installed
[19:58] <ahasenack> how is that file handled again?
[20:00] <infinity> ahasenack: dh_installchangelogs, however NEWS.Debian should be debian/NEWS (or debian/<package>.NEWS) in the source, which is the bug here.
[20:00] <infinity> ahasenack: So the maintainer has been screaming his news into the void for a while. :P
[20:00] <ahasenack> I've seen some packages using <package>.docs:NEWS*
[20:01] <ahasenack> ok, I see the dh_installchangelogs manpage
[20:02] <ahasenack> ok, I can fix that
[20:02] <ahasenack> and submit to debian
[20:02] <infinity> ahasenack: I'm not super happy about /etc/default being ignored in systemd upgrades, but this isn't the first package to do it, so I think I just need to get over it.
[20:02] <infinity> ahasenack: But functional news would have helped, since I actually read it :)
[20:02] <infinity> (yay, apt-listchangelogs)
[20:03] <ahasenack> indeed, on both accounts
[20:03] <ahasenack> I've seen that /etc/default/ bug in bind9 in the past
[20:03] <ahasenack> (and fixed it)
[20:04] <infinity> ahasenack: Aaaanyhow, I *doubt* the crash relates to running two instances at once, but I suppose there's an outside chance it might.  Maybe I should mask out the non-deb-proxy one for a while and see if things are better before I try your PPA.
[20:04] <ahasenack> infinity: I'll ask the original reporter if he is also running squid-deb-proxy, but I also doubt it
[20:04] <infinity> Since the crash started happening at the same time as the ignoring of /etc/default, that's a couple too many variables.
[20:05] <infinity> ahasenack: Original reporter was jibel, he may well be running squid-deb-proxy.
[20:05] <ahasenack> just asked
[20:06] <ahasenack> do you know him?
[20:06] <infinity> Seems a more likely use of squid for a QA engineer than having a full proxy.
[20:06] <ahasenack> jibel: oh, is that you?
[20:06] <infinity> ahasenack: Do I know him? :P
[20:06] <infinity> ahasenack: (hint: you were just at a sprint with him)
[20:06]  * ahasenack refrains from further silly questions
[20:10] <nacc> lol
[20:44] <ahasenack> infinity: one more question: which squid was crashing: the deb-proxy one, the main one, or both randomly? Can you tell?
[20:49] <infinity> ahasenack: Can't tell now, crash reports are gone. :/
[20:49] <ahasenack> ok
[20:49] <infinity> (and not sure I could have known with the crash report, but maybe...)
[20:50] <ahasenack> nothing about the crash in squid's own logs either?
[20:51] <ahasenack> jibel's might have been the "main" squid, at least the command line shown in the bug doesn't include the extra config from deb-proxy
[20:51] <infinity> Not that I could find in either set of logs.
[20:51] <ahasenack> ok, thanks


[00:06] <vangelas> Firefox 14 (64 bit) will not play flash videos on sites such bbc and youtube. Flash plugin is installed but it seems firefox cannot read it. Any ideas?
[02:00]  * CompyTheInsane drops off a box of 100 pies
[03:19] <Samizdat> I've been have very sketchy wireless with 12.04.  It seems fine for a bit, then drops to nothing.  I've tried a few different solutions, but nothing seems to stick.
[03:20] <holstein> Samizdat: feel free and share some failed solutions so we dont repeat the issue.. i would suggest trying the windows driver with ndisgtk
[03:21] <Samizdat> Well, I've tried using opendns
[03:21] <holstein> Samizdat: cool.. opendns will have nothing to do with your wireless
[03:21] <Samizdat> This fix seemed to work for a bit, then died: http://www.hitxp.com/articles/software/ubuntu-fix-slow-wireless-internet-connection-speed-upgrading-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[03:21] <Samizdat> Well, I keep a connection, but can't resolve dns.
[03:22] <Samizdat> What's the window's driver fix?
[03:22] <holstein> Samizdat: you can try the windows driver, though i dont think we are talking abou the same thing
[03:22] <lagreca> hi, folks! nautilus won't show thumbnails. What can I do to fix it?
[03:22] <holstein> what you are describing sounds unrelated to the computer
[03:23] <lagreca> I've already installed thumbnailers.
[03:24] <Samizdat> I went through it all with my provider.  I set a windows pc next to my linux  and the pc gets great speeds.
[03:24] <holstein> Samizdat: cool.. what about the router?
[03:24] <Samizdat> I've cycled it a few times.
[03:24] <holstein> Samizdat: i would try with a live CD.. where have you changed the DNS settings?
[03:24] <holstein> Samizdat: what browsers have you tried?
[03:24] <Samizdat> Chrome, firefox.
[03:24] <holstein> Samizdat: how does it work hard wired?
[03:25] <Samizdat> Haven't tried that one yet.
[03:25] <holstein> Samizdat: i would remove the wifi driver from the equation
[03:25] <Samizdat> Sounds good.
[03:25] <holstein> Samizdat: plug it in.. confirm that that is even the issue
[03:25] <Samizdat> You gonna be around for a bit?
[03:25] <Samizdat> :)
[03:25] <holstein> then you should undo what you have tried so far, because i dont think this is going to have anything to do with the wifi
[03:26] <holstein> Samizdat: i would try as a different user.. i would look at how you have specified the DNS settings.. i would try ping tests.. i would try with a live CD
[03:26] <Samizdat> Will do.
[03:26] <holstein> Samizdat: i'll be here for a bit.. i can only offer trouble shooting advice for you
[03:27] <Samizdat> I appreciate it.
[03:27] <Samizdat> It just seems strange I'm getting such a slow signal.  No signal, I can understand.  I did a fresh install yesterday and had the same problem.
[03:28] <holstein> lagreca: this work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/134210/show-me-only-picture-thumbnails
[03:32] <lagreca> holstein: I'll try it. thanks
[04:20] <Samizdat> You about holstein?
[04:20] <holstein> yu
[04:21] <Samizdat> Well, I tried all the different things.  I had a great connection wired.
[04:21] <Samizdat> Bad connetion wireless off the live cd.
[04:21] <holstein> interesting.. still, you dont need to mess about with DNS settings
[04:21] <holstein> the issue is isolated in some way to wifi
[04:22] <holstein> Samizdat: i would try the windows wireless driver.. start trying any other wifi drivers really
[04:22] <Samizdat> I had a strong connect right next to the router, wireless.  Stayed with me for bit when  I went upstairs, then faded.
[04:22] <holstein> Samizdat: i assume you have used that wifi device in windows? and it was fine?
[04:22] <Samizdat> Yeah.
[04:22] <holstein> i would want to confirm its not hardware
[04:22] <Samizdat> Oh wait, the one in this computer?
[04:23] <holstein> Samizdat: the one in the machine that you are saying the wifi is bad in
[04:23] <Samizdat> No, never even booted it into windows.
[04:23] <Samizdat> Went straight to ubuntu.
[04:23] <holstein> Samizdat: OK.. that would be a good test... confirm that the wifi card is not broken
[04:23] <Samizdat> Might just be a bad antenna.
[04:24] <holstein> yup.. and you'll be fooling about with drivers and DNS settings and breaking and reinstalling for weeks ;)
[04:24] <Samizdat> And I would need to install windows?
[04:24] <holstein> Samizdat: nah... you'll just need to confirm that in whatever way you feel you need to
[04:24] <holstein> thats one way
[04:25] <Samizdat> Hmm, maybe I'll try some different drivers.
[04:26] <Samizdat> What was that one you rec'd, holstein?
[04:27] <holstein> Samizdat: whatever windows driver is recommended using ndiswrapper... ndisgtk
[04:28] <Samizdat> Will google about.  Thanks for the help.
[04:28] <holstein> sure... anytime
[04:28] <Samizdat> Should I take this into the main channel?  I've never used the ubuntu irc.
[04:29] <Samizdat> Don't know what's proper on here.
[04:29] <holstein> Samizdat: you can.. but thats something you need to know.. is the hardware good
[04:29] <holstein> i dont think anyone will debate that is not a waste of time
[04:29] <Samizdat> Hmm.  It's just strange it's kinda bad. :/
[04:29] <holstein> and i could argue anything else is a waste of time til you know the hardware is tested and good
[04:30] <Samizdat> Google driver wi-fi, linux hp model #?
[04:30] <holstein> Samizdat: that is exactly the kind of behavior i would expect from ban internet, which is what i suggested earlier.. and i would imagine if the hardware were bad as well
[04:32] <holstein> Samizdat: if it were me, i would not believe it til i had the OS and driver from the manufacturer, and the thing didnt work.. and then id still test it some other ways
[04:32] <holstein> id googe the #'s on it.. the output of lspci.. whats on the actual chip inside the thing...
[04:33] <holstein> whatever it takes... there a reason why computer techs charge for this work
[04:34] <Samizdat> Yeah, it's a pain in the ass.
[04:34] <holstein> id want to see it come out of the box, and *not* work.. then id know the hardware is bad
[04:35] <holstein> troubleshooting is all about reducing variables.. and right now, you got too many.. you dont know the OS, the driver support, nor the hardware
[04:35] <holstein> its all a big variable
[04:36] <holstein> any one of a bunch of things can be wrong... i have money on the wifi card, though you can open a terminal and run "lscpi" and output that to pastebin and ill look around
[04:37] <holstein> Samizdat: in a terminal.. thats "lspci"
[04:37] <holstein> i have a typo above
[04:38] <holstein> !paste | Samizdat
[04:38] <ubot2`> Samizdat: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[04:39] <Samizdat> One sec
[04:41] <Samizdat> http://pastebin.com/pvu63X7b
[04:41] <Samizdat> Oh wait, did you need ubuntu's pastebin?
[04:41] <Samizdat> holstein:
[04:43] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/106568/my-wireless-has-suddenly-became-disabled-by-hardware-switch-bios-rfkill-fnf8
[04:43] <holstein> suggests doing a reset
[04:44] <Samizdat> I'm on HP's site, they list a few different wifi drivers for linux they host.
[04:44] <Samizdat> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=5060882&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=5060880&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=2020
[04:44] <holstein> this looks hopeful http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1873537
[04:45] <holstein> Samizdat: you can try them.. trying drivers is a good troubleshooting step
[04:48] <Samizdat> Look at this one: http://www.laptopndriver.com/acer/fix-hp-probook-4530s-wireless-lan-wifi-ubuntu.html
[04:48] <Samizdat> Think this might be a winner.
[04:51] <holstein> Samizdat: did you install an additional driver?
[04:51] <holstein> anyways... this is usually what i do when i first get a machine.. i have a stack of parts laying around though, and im not afraid to swap out some hardware thats more easily supported
[04:52] <holstein> anyways... good luck Samizdat ! ...im sure you'll get it sorted.... try the main #ubuntu channel if its dead in here... i gotta crash.. cheers!
[04:53] <Samizdat> nn, thanks.
[10:02] <DocStrangeLove> Okay I'm a total noob to Linux (just installed Ubuntu 12.04 a week ago), and I need some serious help on a number of issues... is there anyone here who can help?
[10:02] <DocStrangeLove> 1st issue: I finally got my Samba network up and functional, but when editing my fstab to make the hard drive mount during boot I somehow changed permissions and now I can't write to it any longer
[10:03] <DocStrangeLove> (can still read, and I think execute too)
[10:04] <DocStrangeLove> I had restarted once with a line in fstab which included the switch umask=002
[10:05] <DocStrangeLove> i've sinced deleted the umask (replaced with "defaults") but it's still not writeable, do I just need to do chmod from the terminal once?
[10:05] <DocStrangeLove> or do I need to modify fstab again?
[10:29] <DocStrangeLove> Sorry, accidentally closed window
[10:29] <DocStrangeLove> anyone here to lend help to a Linux-noob?
[10:51] <DocStrangeLove> I edited my fstab file and lost permissions to write to a hard drive, now I can't seem to get them back
[10:51] <DocStrangeLove> can anyone help me?
[11:36] <vangelas> I installed firefox 14.0.1 manually as well as the latest flash plugin, but firefox cannot 'see' the plugins. Any ideas?