 @tsimonq2 wxl finally I could so0lve the test issue for breeze-config. If we make a repo I could uplod to phab.
[02:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T78: Port Redshift From Gtk To Qt] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T78#3265
[02:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T137: improve theming] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137#3266
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc7f995cfb4c3: Update lowriter] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc7f995cfb4c3
[05:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL15db146e2de4: Update lomath version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL15db146e2de4
[06:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL761208b9eaa5: Update loimpress version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL761208b9eaa5
[06:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL792f11014065: Update localc version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL792f11014065
[07:32] <lynorian> rudra bali fixing
[07:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL783f644b0902: Fix capitlization thanks rudra Ball] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL783f644b0902
[07:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL26e764cf5fc3: Fix capitlization thanks rudra Ball] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL26e764cf5fc3
[10:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T155: Unusable GPG key on Jenkins] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T155
 @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 wxl finally I could so0lve the test issue for breeze-config. If we mak …], Sure
 @Rudra Bali [<reply to image>], Correct
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13T155: Unusable GPG key on Jenkins  3]   15apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto …], Sigh. I think the existing one may have expired. Check the keyserver with the keyid and we'll have the expiration date
 @Rudra Bali [<reply to image>], Have you worked with Phab diffs before?
 I could show you how to just propose changes directly to master
 Okay cool
 Go for it
 I really appreciate your enthusiasm, whether or not it's obvious to you that you have some :)
 @Rudra Bali [<reply to image>], I've been meaning to follow up with @MichaelTunnell or @profetik777 but tl;dr we need a new video
 Sounds good
 Not saying your video wouldn't be quality but we're looking for something along the same format to put on the homepage
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing but also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing2
 TODO: merge those two pages to the Phab wiki
 @The_LoudSpeaker Heya, did you have any questions on the Jenkins stuff?
 @tsimonq2 [@The_LoudSpeaker Heya, did you have any questions on the Jenkins stuff?], Umm. I haven't yet read the things you asked.
 I was busy with some house and farm work. Will read and get back on this during this week's stand up.
 @HMollerCl [Hi @RikMills are you available?], what is up?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I was busy with some house and farm work. Will read and get back on this during …], Okay, no worries. Thanks
 @tsimonq2 [I've been meaning to follow up with @MichaelTunnell or @profetik777 but tl;dr we …], possibly @ericadams too
 @tsimonq2 [I've been meaning to follow up with @MichaelTunnell or @profetik777 but tl;dr we …], I'm in dude :) … Seems me the list of items it needs to cover and I'll absolutely make it for release
[13:19] <guiverc> I just saw lp 1869564, 16.04 openbox; we don't support 16.04 anymore, can I close openbox bug b/c 16.04?  (looks like support request, so it has other issues anyway)
 @RikMills [what is up?], thanks, soolved it. I had problem making test on debhelper for GUI but I found xvfb
 @HMollerCl [thanks, soolved it. I had problem making test on debhelper for GUI but I found x …], ok 👍
 @tsimonq2 [Sure], I know you said I can do it, but I don't know how to create a phab repo.
 @HMollerCl [I know you said I can do it, but I don't know how to create a phab repo.], Okay
 @HMollerCl I've had it with all my snaps, on every distro I used. I legit thought it was how snaps work. I've always had to reload my menu for them to show up. But the snaps I use are telegram-desktop, bitwarden, spotify, discord and authy from the --beta channel.
 Just a thought, the Offtopic and support telegram channels use the same icon. Might be why they get twisted up every now and then - if you're like me and don't have the channel preview exposed.
 @Rudra Bali [How does this look as a promo: https://youtu.be/_jOn_KuyzKM], It looks okay
 I would suggest you work with @MichaelTunnell to polish some things
 @Rudra Bali [How does this look as a promo: https://youtu.be/_jOn_KuyzKM], Nice, but the first logo is the one was used for lxde
[16:57] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200329)
 Yes, efforts should be coordinated. Also, communication should be approved through the council.
 ^
 I don't know that we need a separate channel other than this one.
 That's what this is for
 We don't need a separate channel
 @Rudra Bali [Updated video: https://youtu.be/r1KSf9b0elE], I like !!!
[18:26] <wxl> so the banner in discourse is the same as the announcement, which is kind of long. perhaps we should create a summary and link to the full announcement instead?
[18:29] <kc2bez> FWIW it does truncate a bit on my phone.
[18:29] <wxl> well and it's kind of easy to ignore
[18:29] <wxl> you know, tl;dr
[18:30] <kc2bez> I don't think your idea is a bad one however.
[18:31] <wxl> so you're saying i need to fix it? XD
[18:33] <kc2bez> XD
[18:40] <wxl> oh
[18:40] <wxl> i don't think i can
[18:41] <wxl> @HMollerCl or otherwise global team, your help is needed https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/please-keep-multi-language-support-in-lxqt-like-in-lxde/877
 @N0um3n0 we need to solve this ^
 @HMollerCl [@N0um3n0 we need to solve this ^], Ok
[19:07] <wxl> btw @teward001 thanks for changing the upload icon
 hm?
 i changed nothing
[19:26] <wxl> oh funny well the stupid upload icon which was a "picture" is now a more normal upload icon (an arrow coming out of a drive)
 ah
 that may have been done automatically by the upgrade process recompiling assets
[19:26] <wxl> yeah perhaps
[19:26] <wxl> just take the credit
 :P
 the credit is worth $0.00 though sooo
[19:42] <kc2bez> I think that equates to priceless @teward001 XD
[19:48] <wxl> !info src:linux-meta focal
[19:49] <wxl> !info src:linux-meta eoan
[20:16] <wxl> someone want to try pulling in a patch to fix qterminal settings windows? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/20-04-daily-testing-qterminal-windows-too-tall/844/13


[14:58] <rbasak> Until the move happens, any chance of an FAQ entry in #ubuntu-* topics please? People keep asking.
[15:18] <kryten> rbasak: You mean for those channels that haven't been moved yet, people are asking *when* they are going to be moved, and you'd like some info bit added alongside their usual topic, and you'd also expect those people to actually read it?  Not trying to be discounting here though, just trying to understand what exactly you mean - while I don't believe I'd have the access rights for those ...
[15:18] <kryten> ... channels then anyway.. :)
[15:20] <leftyfb> kryten: are we just waiting for moves to happen for us or do we need to reach out to get them moved?
[15:36] <kryten> leftyfb: Depends on the channel really.. like moving of LoCo channels are expected to be driven by the LoCo themselves, with assistance from the IRC team as needed.
[15:37] <leftyfb> kryten: yeah, I'm referring to #ubuntu-discuss
[15:39] <kryten> Yeah, I was afraid you are, but since I've also noticed you as a contact person on a LoCo channel earlier, just wanted to make sure..  But I don't know the plans on that channel yet.
[15:41] <leftyfb> kryten: ok, thanks. Yeah, I moved over #ubuntu-us-ma already
[15:41] <Aaron> lol
[15:41] <Aaron> Unit193: you around?
[15:42] <kryten> leftyfb: Ah, cool!
[16:03] <rbasak> kryten: or just *if*, or *did it move already*? Being able to point to the channel topic for an FAQ is just normal, isn't it?
[16:06] <kryten> Well, I don't think any actual FAQ list was created to begin with though, apart from the mailing list items.. I guess you know of?
[16:30] <Aaron> Unit193: you around?
[17:07] <rbasak> By FAQ I mean it literally - a Frequently Asked Question (whether in an explicit list or not)
[19:13] <Aaron> what's xedian?
[21:11] <elacheche> Hello from #ubuntu-tn , any OPs arround?
[21:19] <kryten> elacheche: What is it that you need with then?
[21:40] <el> elacheche: hi, what's up?
[21:42] <elacheche> Oh! Hey.. I just send a mail to the Council x) I needed to be sure if it's up to the IRC team/council to move a LoCo channel to Libera or should I do that for my LoCo.. And if there is a formal POV/announcement about that somewhere
[21:42] <elacheche> hey el
[21:44] <el> you should be able to move yourself over
[21:44] <el> let me know if you somehow can't
[21:53] <elacheche> OK great.. Thanks :)


[09:40] <andrejz> does anyone know if a list of packages, which are a part of ubuntu natty by default exists anywhere ?
[10:38] <TLE> ahhh damn I missed the session this morning
[10:40] <TLE> anyone attend?
[10:40] <kelemengabor> TLE: yes
[10:41] <TLE> kelemengabor: would you mind giving me a short summary?
[10:41] <kelemengabor> sure
[10:41] <kelemengabor> so, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-launchpad-translations-upstream-import/ is the link to the notes
[10:42] <kelemengabor> but there is not much content there
[10:42] <TLE> I just opened the presentation
[10:42] <kelemengabor> the basic thing is, that the long awaited upstream sharing feature is done
[10:42] <kelemengabor> and it is working now
[10:43] <kelemengabor> what we do not have yet, is to set up the links between the upstream sources and the Ubuntu packages
[10:44] <kelemengabor> this is supposed to happen soon, but I guess we will need a few volunteers to actually do it
[10:44] <andrejz> dpm, do you know if there is a list of packages, which are a part of default ubuntu natty install ?
[10:44] <TLE> ahh ok, so this whole thing about settings up a link to a remote source and choosing how they should overwite and all that, it is all done?
[10:44] <kelemengabor> no, not yet
[10:44] <andrejz> i am planiing to start sorting the tempaltes, but don't feel like checking for each package if it's a part of default install or nto
[10:45] <kelemengabor> the big news was that we CAN do it now
[10:45] <kelemengabor> and it will work after that
[10:45] <andrejz> @kelemengabor, TLE: what are you discussing?
[10:45] <TLE> kelemengabor: nice, thanks
[10:45] <kelemengabor> andrejz: the session from this morning
[10:45] <TLE> andrejz: this mornings session
[10:46] <kelemengabor> I think David will post a follow up to the list
[10:46] <TLE> kelemengabor: wait, it the presentation it refers mostly to upstream as lauchpad projects, what about upstream cvs like gnome git?
[10:47] <TLE> nevermind
[10:47] <kelemengabor> these are mirrored to Launchpad
[10:47] <TLE> no actually the question still stands
[10:48] <kelemengabor> the only difference is, that with projects that are really hosted on LP, our translations in Ubuntu will be pushed back, while mirrored branches are read-only to Ubuntu
[10:49] <TLE> ok
[10:55] <andrejz> can anyone help me confirm a language bug in banshee
[10:56] <TLE> depends on whether is requires <your localisation>
[10:56] <andrejz> no it doesnt'
[10:56] <kelemengabor> andrejz: after I reconnect from the next session, I can :)
[10:56] <andrejz> just open banshee, and check your libary
[10:56] <andrejz> hopefully you have some "unknown artist"
[10:57] <andrejz> in slovenian "unknown" is translated as "neznan" so one should expect it under N, if libary is arranged by artist names
[10:57] <andrejz> while the translation is correct it's still listed under "U"
[10:58] <andrejz> hope you get what i mean
[10:58] <TLE> cannot help you with that, the Danish translation is Ukendt kunstner *G*
[10:59] <TLE> And I don't have any other artists with U so I can see if the order is broken, sorry
[11:00] <andrejz> :)
[11:01] <andrejz> hello henninge can you help me verify a rhythmbox bug?
[11:01] <andrejz> sorry, banshee bug
[11:01] <TLE> I just checked my dictionary, german is probably with U as well, but if you can find a frech user you might be in luck
[11:02] <TLE> or spanish
[11:02] <andrejz> ok, i would just like someone to double check before i bug the developers
[11:02] <TLE> yeah makes sense
[11:02] <henninge> andrejz: sure, what's it about?
[11:03] <andrejz> how do you say "unknown artist" in Dutch?
[11:03] <TLE> Any French of Spanish people around (or anyone whose word for unknown doesn't start with U)
[11:03] <henninge> andrejz: I don't speak Dutch.
[11:03] <henninge> I am German.
[11:03] <andrejz> oh, damn
[11:03] <andrejz> sorry
[11:04] <andrejz> my problem in banshee is order of artist
[11:04] <andrejz> in case localised name of unknown artist doesn't start with U, it's correctly translated but incorrectly placed
[11:04] <primes2h> andrejz: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.manifest
[11:04] <andrejz> for example in slovanian translation of "unknown artist" starts with letter N, but it's still located under U
[11:05] <andrejz> thank you very much primes2h
[11:05] <andrejz> just what i was looking for :)
[11:05] <primes2h> andrejz: you're welcome! :-)
[11:05] <TLE> afk lunch
[11:06] <andrejz> primes2h, do you happen to be non english speaker and would mind testing a possible banshee language bug?
[11:06] <kelemengabor> andrejz: I'm back, go ahead :)
[11:07] <andrejz> my problem in banshee is order of artists in the libary
[11:07] <andrejz> in case localised name of "unknown artist" doesn't start with U, it's correctly translated but incorrectly placed in the libary ifd you arrange by artist
[11:08] <primes2h> andrejz: not now because I'm on Lucid, but I would be happy to help you in the afternoon
[11:08] <andrejz> for example in slovanian translation of "unknown artist" is "neznan izvajalec", but it's still located under U and not N
[11:11] <andrejz> ok, primes2h
[11:16] <andrejz> @kelemengabor: you found anything?
[11:17] <kelemengabor> andrejz: working on it, I have to copy a few sound files into my Natty virtual machine
[11:17] <andrejz> ok great
[11:21] <kelemengabor> andrejz: no luck, Unknown artist's Hungarian translation is I*, and is between A* and M*, and not between M* and W*
[11:22] <andrejz> you are sure you chose arrange by artist?
[11:23] <andrejz> = clicked on the artist. column?
[11:27] <dpm> andrejz, getting the list is doable, but not trivial. I'm doing this when I calculate the statistics with https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-translations/ul10n-stats, and that's where I gave it to you from (not sure if to you or some other team) last time.
[11:27] <dpm> I can generate a list, but it would have to wait until after UDS
[11:29] <kelemengabor> andrejz: yep. sorry: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/bansh.png
[11:43] <andrejz> hm, so it seems to be something on my end. I will check with other members of translation team to see if this is language specific or me specific
[11:43] <andrejz> thanks for the help, kelemengabor
[11:44] <kelemengabor> you are welcome :)
[11:48] <andrejz> maybe it's something specific. i know in 10.10 my menus werent ordered alphabetically because i also had unity installed. after i removed it the menus were ok again
[11:49] <kelemengabor> andrejz: perhaps you can try to create a new test user and see with that
[11:50] <andrejz> i will try that, thanks for the tip
[13:52] <kelemengabor> TLE: have you seen David's mail this morning about the langpacks? They are now in -proposed, could you send out the call for testing?
[13:52] <kelemengabor> you can base it on this mail: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-March/004523.html
[13:53] <kelemengabor> deadline can be Wednesday
[13:55] <kelemengabor> TLE: also, if you are busy today, I can do it too
[13:55] <kelemengabor> but we better send it ASAP
[13:55] <TLE> kelemengabor: agreed
[13:55] <TLE> if you wouldn't mind doing it that would be great
[13:56] <kelemengabor> okay
[13:56] <TLE> You can just say that we push the schedule with exactly one week
[13:56] <TLE> then I will update the wiki and the calendar
[13:56] <kelemengabor> sure
[13:56] <kelemengabor> let's see...
[13:57] <TLE> remember to check if it is the same version that some has already tested and if it is, to tell the ones that have already tested that they don't need to do it again
[14:04] <kelemengabor> mail sent
[14:17] <kelemengabor> hey dpm
[14:17] <dpm> hey kelemengabor
[14:17] <kelemengabor> call for updates testing is out, hope I didn't forgot anything out
[14:22] <dpm> kelemengabor, thanks! Looks great, just a couple of things, there are a couple of references to 'maverick-proposed' and 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule' that should be natty, but apart from that, it looks good!
[14:25] <kelemengabor> damned copy-paste :(
[14:28] <dpm> no worries, I'm the first one to make mistakes :)
[14:29] <dpm> I should probably add an action item for me to create a template for announcements, where things to substitute should be clearly visible
[14:31] <kelemengabor> well, that's a good idea :)
[14:31] <TLE> I have update the schedule, calendar and the QA page
[14:32] <kelemengabor> thanks TLE!
[14:32] <TLE> you too
[14:32] <dpm> ok, addded the work item for me on creating a template
[14:33] <kelemengabor> btw, where and who can update this calendar?
[14:33] <TLE> google calendar and me!
[14:34] <dpm> TLE, ^^ (btw, I've talked to skaet, our release manager about moving the langpacks schedule+calendar to the main Ubuntu release schedule. She's happy about this, and we only need to figure out the best way)
[14:34] <kelemengabor> oops. and what happens, if you get hit by a bus? we will be in a trouble...
[14:34] <kelemengabor> oh, then there will be no problem :)
[14:35] <TLE> kelemengabor: I know, it was just the quickest way to get something that people could subscribe to with their calendar programs
[14:36] <TLE> The main schedule is on the wiki off course, that anyone can edit that
[14:36] <TLE> s/that/so/
[14:36] <TLE> dpm: good news
[14:36] <TLE> dpm: does that include a ical feed as well?
[14:37] <dpm> TLE, it used to do, that was where I got the idea of the ical feed from, I haven't checked the Oneiric one yet (I need to review it to see if the translation deadlines look ok)
[14:38] <TLE> dpm: ok, let me know
[14:39] <TLE> yeah I don't think we ever did find a way to share edit rights to a google calendar, so it is better if it got moved
[14:41] <TLE> kelemengabor: just FYI, I'm an excellent bike rider, so I don't get hit by busses ;)
[14:41] <dpm> TLE, I think there is a setting in google calendars to give write access to other people for a particular template
[14:41] <kelemengabor> TLE: :D
[14:51] <TLE> dpm: so I can, until we get the other stuff fixed I'll ask for gmail adresse on the and share it that way
[14:51] <TLE> err: on the email-list and
[14:51] <TLE> that way it is bus safe in the mean time
[14:56] <dpm> sounds good :)
[14:57] <dpm> TLE, the other question is whether buses are safe when you are on the street with your bike! :)


[00:07] <pleia2> I've just been changing the heading
[00:37] <nhandler> I changed the translation stats format. We don't use numbered lists anywhere else (and they aren't really needed here), and I modified the links so that we don't need to worry about them when publishing in the other formats
[00:42] <nhandler> pleia2: I'm running to the store quickly. We should be ready for the In this Issue and a good review.
[00:43] <pleia2> errands are taking longer than expected, I should be back in 20 minutes or so though
[01:16] <pleia2> "In This Issue" complete, doing final editorial proof-read now
[01:28] <pleia2> one note - we need to be careful about pulling language directly from the article to use as summaries (this was done with the omgubuntu posts), they are good summaries but we need to mark them as such since they own copyright
[01:29] <pleia2> I put them in quotes and said "Excerpt from and more information at" to satisfy the attribution license
[01:30] <pleia2> also should note time-based references :) "yesterday" and "last night" are not strictly true when we pull an article from last week
[01:36] <pleia2> ok, done reviewing
[01:38] <nhandler> I should probably add a date ;)
[01:40] <pleia2> oh yes, that would be good :)
[01:40] <pleia2> and pull all the ##s
[01:41] <pleia2> oh, and I am free tuesday and wednesday nights after 00:00 UTC if we want to have a meeting
[01:41] <pleia2> probably thursday too
[01:41] <pleia2> no, thursday only until 1:30
[01:43] <nhandler> pleia2: Alright. Comments pulled. I'm going to start the publishing process. Could you try and do the fridge publishing (using the new script) ?
[01:43] <pleia2> k
[01:44] <pleia2> oh I still have an outstanding MP for ListSecurity.py
[01:44] <pleia2> (just realized when I yanked down the new version w/ your script
[01:45] <nhandler> pleia2: Ah, I thought I got all of those. I'll merge it after we publish.
[01:46] <pleia2> nhandler: does this actually publish it on fridge or put it into a draft?
[01:47] <nhandler> pleia2: It should put it in a draft and give you the URL to the edit page
[01:47]  * nhandler tested it on his machine earlier
[01:47] <pleia2> awesome, testing now
[01:47] <nhandler> The deps should be about the same as the interview script
[01:47] <pleia2> ah yes, I see down at the bottom
[01:47] <pleia2> ok
[01:48] <pleia2> WordPress:XMLRPC is cool
[01:49] <nhandler> pleia2: It is rather interesting. But I do see how it can be a security risk
[01:49] <pleia2> I love how our scripts are perl and python, we hate ourselves :)
[01:49] <pleia2> yeah
[01:49] <nhandler> I'm also not sure if you saw my message, but the ubuntu-news.org -> fridge.ubuntu.com transition should be done
[01:50] <pleia2> yeah, I saw the ticket and did some tests myself
[01:50] <pleia2> thanks for taking care of that :)
[01:52] <pleia2> pretty sure <a href=' should be <a href="
[01:52] <pleia2> I mean, it works, but I don't think it's correct
[01:52] <nhandler> pleia2: I can change that easy enough. I'm not familiar enough with the html policy to know if there is meant to be a difference in how ' and " are handled
[01:54] <pleia2> and the script doesn't like punctuation much
[01:54] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue225#Ubuntu_11.2E10_Development_update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue225#Ubuntu_10.2E04.2E3_.28Lucid_Lynx.29_LTS_released.21 no worky, and several others
[01:54] <pleia2> I'll get a list
[01:55] <nhandler> pleia2: Let me see how the wiki handles those.
[01:56] <nhandler> It looks like it is just titles with periods that are getting messed up. Let me fix that. pleia2, for your merge proposal, I assume I can remove the old script that it replaces, right?
[01:57] <pleia2> nhandler: right, Security.py is now deprecated
[01:58] <pleia2> : is also a problem, it's turned into .3A
[01:59] <pleia2> The Commodore 64 is back – and it’s running Ubuntu - oh dear, should fix those characters in the wiki probably
[01:59] <pleia2> / seems to be troublesome too
[01:59] <pleia2> and ,
[02:00] <nhandler> Fun. The wiki converts some special characters to their hex equivalents, but it appears it does not do all of them
[02:00] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/temp/uwn-script.txt has them all that didn't work
[02:01] <pleia2> first link is broken, second is proper
[02:01] <pleia2> we just can't have article titles with punctuation! :)
[02:05] <nhandler> Most of those links were bad due to periods. I've added : support as well. Commas work fine. Not quite sure what happened with the Commodore title, it looks like someone copied some weird character or something. I'm also not fully sure what is going on with the / . I want to find another title with that to test
[02:06] <nhandler> Yeah, the commodore one has some funky characters that got messed up in some other things too.
[02:06] <pleia2> yeah, shall we fix it in the wiki itself?
[02:08] <nhandler> pleia2: Yeah. It looks like someone copied the strange dashes and apostrophes that blogs add. I'll fix it on the wiki now
[02:08]  * nhandler also pushed some changes to lp:uwn
[02:08] <pleia2> cool, thanks
[02:08] <pleia2> want me to delete this post and try again with the new script once you've updated the wiki?
[02:10] <nhandler> pleia2: Actually, think you could do the find/replace ? Copying the wiki post to vim on my cr-48 doesn't work well with those characters
[02:10] <pleia2> sure
[02:11] <pleia2> are you out?
[02:11] <nhandler> ThanksRe-running the script should probably fix most of the links. The VirtualBox one will probably still be messed up though.
[02:11] <nhandler> I am now
[02:13] <pleia2> man, those weird apostrophes are sneaky
[02:13] <pleia2> anyway, done
[02:14] <nhandler> pleia2: You got the dashes too, right?
[02:14] <pleia2> yep
[02:14] <pleia2> well, at least the one..
[02:15] <pleia2> lemme make sure there aren't any more
[02:15] <pleia2> drat, there were more
[02:15] <pleia2> fixing now
[02:15] <nhandler> We had a few of these things sneak in 2 weeks ago. They are quite annoying, as people reviewing on the gdoc/wiki won't usually spot them
[02:16] <pleia2> there, sorted
[02:16] <pleia2> yeah, they are hard to spot
[02:18] <pleia2> bad : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue225#VirtualBox_4.0.12_released_and_ubuntu_11.04.2F10.10_installation_instructions_included
[02:18] <pleia2> good: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue225#VirtualBox_4.0.12_released_and_ubuntu_11.04.2BAC8-10.10_installation_instructions_included
[02:18] <pleia2> bad : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue225#The_Commodore_64_is_back_.2D_and_it.27s_running_Ubuntu
[02:19] <pleia2> good: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue225#The_Commodore_64_is_back_-_and_it.27s_running_Ubuntu
[02:19] <pleia2> the rest are fine
[02:20] <pleia2> so / and regular -
[02:23] <nhandler> The / issue is a bit different. It is using .2BAC8- to replace the / . I'm not quite sure where that is coming from. .2F would be the hex version. I'll do some googling
[02:24] <pleia2> I don't think we need to delete and run again, I'll just fix this up manually, the script was awesome otherwise :)
[02:24] <pleia2> saved the draft for now
[02:24] <nhandler> pleia2: Agreed. The - issue is fixed now. I'll google the / later
[02:24] <nhandler> I'm just finishing up the forum post stuff now, and then I'll send to -news so we can start hitting the publish button
[02:24] <pleia2> great
[02:27] <nhandler> I'm also thinking we should move the forum UWN image to fridge.ubuntu.com (so we aren't linking to akgraner's people.ubuntu.com)
[02:29] <pleia2> +1
[02:31] <nhandler> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue225
[02:32] <nhandler> pleia2: Do you want to publish the fridge post?
[02:32] <pleia2> yep, doing now
[02:34] <pleia2> annoyingly it went to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/07/26/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-225-2/ c'est la vie
[02:34] <pleia2> but it's done
[02:34] <nhandler> pleia2: You can edit that
[02:34] <nhandler> Below the title box, hit the edit button
[02:34] <pleia2> I did, now http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/07/26/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-225/ redirects to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/07/26/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-225-2/
[02:35] <pleia2> but http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/07/26/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-225-2/ is still the canonical url
[02:36] <nhandler> Oh well, it is not the end of the world
[02:36]  * pleia2 nods
[02:41] <nhandler> Forum images uploaded to fridge
[04:06] <philipballew> the fridge looks nice
[04:09] <nhandler> :)
[14:49] <NRWlion> hi folks
[15:08] <nhandler> Hi NRWlion
[15:08] <NRWlion> hi nathan
[22:28] <nhandler> I'm going to post that lubuntu email to the fridge and add it to UWN
[22:28] <Unit193> nhandler: Thank you for that ^_^ (X and Lubuntu fan here)
[22:32] <nhandler> Unit193: FYI, I'm not doing anything that you (or anyone else here) can't do. Just use ubuntu/ubuntu to login on the fridge, write up the story, and paste a link in here for review
[23:25] <pleia2> nhandler: missing the ?
[23:25] <nhandler> pleia2: Forgot to save the last revision before publishing I guess. I'll add it in
[23:29] <nhandler> Added
[23:29] <pleia2> :)
[23:30] <pleia2> hooray for lubuntu
[23:31] <nhandler> And before I forget, congrats on joining the xubuntu team
[23:33] <pleia2> thanks :)


[00:07] <TheMuso> @pilot in
[00:07] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu is probably simplest
[03:06] <TheMuso> @pilot out
[03:26] <darkxst> TheMuso, Thanks!
[03:34] <TheMuso> darkxst: np
[05:44] <pitti> Good morning
[06:01] <pitti> doko_: do you happen to have an idea about bug 1270025? i. e. is calling "dot -c" in postinst the right thing to do?
[06:03] <pitti> vila: FTR, I can reliably reproduce bug 1269886 locally; you can't?
[06:04] <darkxst> hey pitti
[06:05] <darkxst> would autopilot work with gnome-shell?
[06:07] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Should do. Check "autopilot launch gnome-shell"
[06:07] <Noskcaj> Since it's gtk3 it should introspect
[06:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, gnome-shell doesnt really use standard gtk3 widgets though
[06:09] <Noskcaj> darkxst, good point. As long as it will launch without error via autopilot, it should work. It might be a bit more complex though
[06:11] <pitti> darkxst: yes, I don't see why not
[06:11] <pitti> Noskcaj: hey
[06:11] <Noskcaj> hey pitti
[06:11] <pitti> Noskcaj: wrt. the libgweather transition: don't worry; some bits were done yesterday, and the two remaining ones are new versions of evolution and evolution-data-server which are prepared (but blocked by the "don't change the phone" ban ATM)
[06:12] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:13] <darkxst> well It launches but getting a ton of unsupported type warnings
[06:14] <darkxst> although they seem to be standard GTK bits,
[06:14] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Provided it's nothing like Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "autopilot", you're good
[06:15] <pitti> darkxst: yes; that warning is already silenced in trunk, but it's been a while since we released AP
[06:15] <wolter> Is unity launcher api on topic in this channel?
[06:15] <pitti> darkxst: in fact we are trying to, currently held up by bug 1270025
[06:16] <pitti> darkxst: FTR, autopilot can only introspect simple property types (int, string, float, flags, enums, etc.); it has some special cases for GtkTextBuffer, but for properties of other class types it can't do introspection
[06:17] <pitti> darkxst: btw, if you need a particular property and there is a sensible way to represent it as a string, please file a bug against autopilot-gtk
[06:17] <darkxst> pitti, I really just want a test to make sure gnome-shell has loaded properly
[06:17] <pitti> darkxst: so I guess you just want to check that you can find a few representative widgets and ensure that they are visible?
[06:18] <darkxst> yes
[06:18] <pitti> you can also check their globalRect for plausible values
[06:18] <pitti> darkxst: does gnome-shell run in xvfb? (i. e. with software rendering)
[06:19] <pitti> darkxst: then this could become an autopkgtest, and we'd immediately know when it breaks due to a new upload
[06:19] <darkxst> it certainly runs with software rendering
[06:20] <darkxst> and yes that would be better, because once gnome-shell breaks, so does gdm ;(
[06:20] <pitti> darkxst: note you need to run xvfb like that: xvfb-run -s "-screen 0 1024x768x24" <program>
[06:20] <pitti> (without that it runs in 8bpp which doesn't work with rendering)
[06:21] <pitti> that's a common trap, in case you don't know
[06:21] <darkxst> pitti, that gives XRANR missing
[06:22] <darkxst> which makes gnome-shell unhappy
[06:22] <pitti> ah :/
[06:22] <pitti> darkxst: the other day there was a  patch floating on the upstream ML for adding xrandr support to Xvfb; but it seems it never got accepted :/
[06:22] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ppa/ still has an xorg-server package with that patch
[06:23] <pitti> but that was for raring
[06:23] <pitti> darkxst: X.org with the dummy driver does know xrandr, that might work better
[06:23] <darkxst> how do I run that?
[06:24] <pitti> darkxst: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/tests/gsdtestcase.py#n202
[06:25] <pitti> darkxst: you can skip the copy part
[06:26] <pitti> $ Xorg -config xorg-dummy.conf -logfile /tmp/log :5
[06:26] <pitti> $ DISPLAY=:5 xrandr
[06:26] <pitti> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[06:26] <pitti> darkxst: ^ something like that
[06:27] <pitti> the rest of that code just does the synchronization and error handling
[06:28] <pitti> tjaalton, mlankhorst, RAOF: would you happen to know anything about the fate of http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2013-January/035114.html ? it works nicely, but it seems it got zero replies
[06:28] <pitti> (in a year)
[06:29] <RAOF> My guess: nobody X-ish cares enough about xvfb.
[06:29] <RAOF> Particularly since the dummy drivers exist.
[06:29] <pitti> yeah, see above, but it's two magnitudes harder to set up than xvfb-run
[06:30] <pitti> Xvfb is still the #1 tool to run tests during project and package build, or is there something better these days?
[06:31] <RAOF> pitti: Really, we should just add a wrapper script that implements xvfb-ish
[06:32] <RAOF> As a regular server + dummy conf.
[06:32] <pitti> RAOF: I guess that would look similar to above gsdtestcase.py function
[06:32] <RAOF> Note: Not volunteering to implement said server :)
[06:32] <pitti> I'm happy to do that, it's not particularly difficult
[06:33] <RAOF> Right.
[06:33] <pitti> but again, if it stays Debian/Ubuntu specific it's still not something you could put into upstream test suites
[06:33] <pitti> like in gnome-settings-daemon and the like
[06:34] <RAOF> Ideally you'd do it in something that you can do signals and fd passing in; if you pass in a fd X will write the display it's found and if you set SIGUSR1 to ignore the server will raise that once it's ready.
[06:35] <RAOF> That's something that could be either upstreamed to xorg or as a trivial extra project.
[06:35] <RAOF> It's probably just big enough to be a project you could get everyone to depend upon for their unittests :)
[06:35] <pitti> hm; all that instead of applying this rather small patch..
[06:36] <pitti> xvfb-run already implements all that logic, after all (and it's far from trivial)
[06:36] <RAOF> Mostly.
[06:36] <pitti> perhaps I should temporarily subscribe, and poke on the list for a review?
[06:37] <RAOF> Could work.
[06:39] <darkxst> hmm, xorg segfaulted when I launched xrandr ;(
[07:06] <wolter> Is there a complete Unity Launcher API somewhere?
[07:06] <wolter> I want to do a Pomodoro timer but I can't find stuff on connecting actions to dbusmenu items
[07:09] <pitti> doko_: ah no, the *.postinst/*.postrm scripts just weren't updated for libgvc5-config-update -> libgvc6-config-update, doing
[07:12] <tjaalton> pitti: yeah, I don't see why it couldn't be accepted upstream, and master is open again
[07:59] <vila> pitti: haven't tried reproducing locally yet, my hands are full :-( I strongly suspect this bug to be a test-only issue given the past similar test transient failures caused by that MP. I.e. I'm a bit afraid about spending time diagnosing more precisely and ending up with the same conclusion :-/ So if you have a way to just skip this test for the time being, that sounds like the most pragmatic thing to do
[08:03] <pitti> vila: bzr selftest has an -x, that should work?
[08:03] <vila> pitti: yup
[08:03] <vila> pitti: you can add that thanks to dep8 right ?
[08:04] <pitti> yes, in debian/tests/testsuite
[08:04] <vila> pitti: I dislike excluding tests instead of turning them into expected failures, but again, that's the most pragmatic here :-/
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <pitti> vila: well, the next upload can't be done without fixing it, as the package will fail to build, so that's ok
[08:05] <pitti> hey dholbach
[08:05] <dholbach> hey pitti
[08:05] <vila> pitti: ionce I get to the point where I can add a trusty chroot to http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/ it will show up again anyway
[08:05] <vila> pitti: so nothing will be lost
[08:05] <pitti> vila: ack, thanks
[08:10] <vila> pitti: FTR, it pisses me off to not be able to look at that more closely. On a more positive side, is there a way to have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailed when such a failure happens ? (Don't worry about not being subscribed, I'll white list when it'll happen)
[08:11] <pitti> vila: hm, after I hit dput it occurred to me that this probalby won't work -- the test will fail during package build so that never gets into trusty; I'll have to ignore it during package build as well
[08:11] <pitti> vila: usually the last uploader gets mailed for them
[08:12] <pitti> plus jibel and me for all of them
[08:12] <pitti> we don't currently have a more flexible way of subscribing, sorry
[08:12] <vila> pitti: no idea who the uploader is this way, ha, too bad, never mind
[08:12] <pitti> vila: so for now I do the  "ping vila" approach if I see a failure :)
[08:12] <vila> s/way/day/
[08:12] <vila> pitti: ok ;-D
[08:14] <zyga> good morning
[08:15] <doko_> pitti, thanks
[08:16] <doko> slangasek, I assume the qt5 update will still take a while?
[08:24] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:45] <zyga> can anyone confirm that python3.3-coverage program from python3-coverage package crashes on import
[09:45] <darkxst> oh gah, what will happen with modemmanager 1.0 in -proprosed, pretty sure there are rdepends that are non-trivial to port to the new api;(
[09:49] <zyga> what?
[09:49] <zyga> barry, doko: is python3.4 the default python now?
[09:49] <seb128> doko, e-d-s failing to build ... you commented saying it uses hardening without the corresponding build-depends, but even with hardening-wrapper installed the configure hits the same "Error in `/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real': corrupted double-linked list"
[09:49] <zyga> python3-coverage has shebang of python3.4
[09:50] <doko> seb128, can you sbeattie how to properly build with hardening-wrapper and pie?  the problem is that configure calls gcc with -static -fpie
[09:51] <doko> in the past this did work by chance
[09:51] <seb128> sbeattie, hey
[09:51] <doko> zyga, you can answer this question yourself by building in a trusty chroot
[09:52] <zyga> doko: I am running trusty and I actually followed your test rebuild archive
[09:52] <zyga> doko: I'm trying to understand if this is a bug or is it expected
[09:53] <doko> zyga, depends on what the build-dependencies are. in general, we do not want to have version specific shebangs. python3 should it be
[09:53] <zyga> doko: python3 is still 3.3 for me, so it seems the coverage package is broken
[09:54] <zyga> doko: I think coverage might be a bit special there as you want to use specific coverage if invoked as specific pythonX.Y-coverage script, it just seems those scripts are generated incorrectly (or patched incorrectly, maybe)
[09:54] <zyga> (specific python version, not coverage version, sorry)
[09:54] <doko> zyga, I'll have a look later, or I'll ask barry to have a look
[10:24] <pitti> barry: would you mind looking into the mailman autopkgtest failures? there are a lot of failed tests (reproducible with run-adt-test locally, so it's not a DC/networking issue)
[10:33] <apachelogger> how do I find out why a package is being held in trusty-proposed?
[10:35] <Laney> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration is useful
[10:35] <Laney> there's two links at the end of the first section which contain the output
[10:36] <apachelogger> thanks
[10:38] <doko> jamespage, b-d golang-go [amd64 armhf i386]
[10:38] <jamespage> doko, for juju-core? not just yet
[10:38] <doko> ?
[10:38] <doko> it's dep-wait on the other archs ...
[10:39] <jamespage> doko, yes - and it will continue to be until I have done the work to package a separate go tool for use with gccgo
[10:39] <doko> ahh, ok
[10:39] <jamespage> doko, davecheney has something working from mainline golang with gccgo - once he's happy with that I'll package and upload
[10:40] <jamespage> doko, for now I'm building with both for existing archs so people can test it out and compare/contrast
[14:15] <barry> pitti: i can look
[14:15] <barry> zyga: what's up?
[14:19] <zyga> barry: hey
[14:19] <zyga> barry: I think python3-coverage is busted
[14:19] <zyga> barry: first off, python3-coverage is running python3.4
[14:19] <zyga> barry: then python3.3-coverage throws ImportError that is really odd
[14:20] <zyga> barry: this is on 3.7+dfsg.1-4
[14:20] <barry> zyga: yep, looks like they are.  can you file bugs and send me the #s
[14:20] <zyga> barry: certainly, filing now
[14:25] <zyga> barry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-coverage/+bug/1270167
[14:26] <seb128> cjwatson, hey, what determines if the grub menu should be open on boot (out of the grub config)? (I guess it writes a file somewhere that is cleaned after a successful boot to do the "open on next boot in the previous boot didnt work")
[14:26] <seb128> cjwatson, I'm asking because playing with your new grub I managed to land in a position where it displays the menu at every boot now
[14:26] <barry> zyga: subscribed.  i'll double check on debian - i'm in regular contact with the maintainer
[14:27] <cjwatson> seb128: right, it sets a flag using save_env before booting, which is cleared by /etc/init.d/grub-common when we get to the end of rc2
[14:27] <cjwatson> using grub-editenv
[14:27] <seb128> cjwatson, the only thing I did is to hammer ctrl/shift to open the menu and ctrl-alt-suppr some of the boots on plymouth beause I didn't manage to open the menu
[14:27] <cjwatson> seb128: check whether /etc/init.d/grub-common is actually being called at boot
[14:28] <seb128> what's the easiest way to see that? logs?
[14:28] <cjwatson> hack it to write to some file of your choice
[14:28] <zyga> barry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-coverage/+bug/1270168
[14:28] <zyga> barry: thanks a lot
[14:28] <seb128> ok
[14:29] <zyga> barry: looks like some of the multi-version magic went wrong, I read the debian packaging but it was pretty comples for what is otherwise setup.py install
[14:29] <zyga> complex
[14:29] <seb128> cjwatson, otherwise, if that's me pressing shift that leads to open the menu, I think that it opens with the 10s timeout on manual trigger when it used to open without timeout
[14:29] <seb128> cjwatson, or my testing/setup might just be buggy
[14:29] <cjwatson> seb128: you might also try "grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv list" after boot to see what that says
[14:29] <seb128> cjwatson, on the good news side, boots works fine, as do recovery mode etc (my setup is a "boring" 1 disk, 1 OS, no uefi though)
[14:30] <seb128> $ grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv list
[14:30] <seb128> $
[14:30] <cjwatson> seb128: timeout handling has changed around a bit, I may have to double-check that.  wouldn't be a blocker though
[14:30] <cjwatson> seb128: pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[14:31] <seb128> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6768202/
[14:31] <zyga> stgraber: hey, pastebinit *stilL* uses /usr/bin/env python shebang, it will still be broken in every python3 virtualenv :-(
[14:32] <cjwatson> seb128: and /etc/default/grub please?
[14:32] <seb128> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6768212/
[14:36] <cjwatson> seb128: Hmm, looks like 569766e4 broke this
[14:36] <cjwatson> seb128: Could you mention this in the bug?  I'll have to try to chase this down upstream
[14:39] <seb128> cjwatson, done, I'm not sure what details are useful but I guess you will fill those?
[14:40] <seb128> cjwatson, let me know if you need more debug infos from my system
[14:40] <cjwatson> Nope, I basically just need to think very hard about the timeout stuff, again
[14:52] <barry> 5ols
[14:53] <seb128> cjwatson, was your "commit id creating the issue" comment about the 10s timeout on manual opening or about the menu opening on boot?
[14:53] <seb128> cjwatson, the grub-common script is correctly called and it seems the flag is not set from a "list" call, so I guess the menu is opening for another reason (doesn't happen anymore after downgrading to the trusty version)
[14:56] <seb128> on that note, time for some exercice, be back in 1h
[15:07] <cjwatson> seb128: they're the same thing
[15:33] <cjwatson> seb128: (Looking at it, I think I'm not quite correct in blaming upstream - the upstream change is trying to preserve previous upstream behaviour, and I dropped a little bit too much of the Ubuntu patch set)
[15:40] <stgraber> zyga: I'm pretty sure the release I made yesterday uses /usr/bin/python3
[15:41] <zyga> stgraber: ah, sorry then, it's probably not on my development box yet
[15:42] <stgraber> zyga: yeah, I don't take care of the packaging myself, I'm just the upstream for that one. I notified the Debian maintainer but it hasn't been uploaded yet.
[16:34] <cjwatson> seb128: OK, figured it out, fixed for the next upload
[16:34] <seb128> cjwatson, great, thank you!
[16:36] <cjwatson> thanks for the testing
[16:47] <brendand> doko, my packages build is failing seemingly because python3.4 is in py3versions, but python3.4 is not there
[16:47] <brendand> doko, in trusty
[16:47] <doko> brendand, is the package b-d on the python3-all / python3-all-dev package?
[16:48] <brendand> doko, no - python3 (>= 3.2),
[16:48] <doko> brendand, which package?
[16:49] <brendand> doko, it's checkbox-certification. it's only in a PPA
[16:49] <brendand> doko, so it should b-d on python3-all?
[16:50] <doko> brendand, yes
[16:52] <rbasak> chiluk: please could you see if bug 1270151 is a possible -proposed regression on mysql-server-5.5 5.5.34-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, or just user error?
[16:52] <chiluk> rbasak ... sure
[16:54] <chiluk> rbasak doesn't look like it.
[16:54] <rbasak> chiluk: thanks. Often users misconfigure mysql and then apport files postinst failure bugs because the service doesn't start. So it could be that. I just noticed that it's from -proposed.
[16:54] <chiluk> I'll verify the upload now though.
[16:54] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:55] <chiluk> rbasak, sure thing... I was pretty careful with that upload... so I don't have much faith that this is a regression.
[16:55] <cjwatson> Grr.  Why does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-gettext/3.0.3-2/+build/5470350 fail but https://launchpad.net/~cjwatson/+archive/ppa/+build/5473079 (identical build in a PPA, identical set of build-dependencies installed, same version of launchpad-buildd) succeed?
[16:55] <cjwatson> Kernels differ but the chances of that affecting locale-ish tests seem fairly remote
[16:55] <cjwatson> I guess I can try hitting it with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 but I'm a bit reluctant to do that without some way to reproduce the problem
[16:57] <cjwatson> Maybe if I try a devirt PPA ...
[17:06] <chiluk> rbasak I was able to install 12.04.1 and upgrade to 12.04.2 without issue.
[17:06] <rbasak> chiluk: thank you for verifying, and for doing the work!
[17:07] <chiluk> rbasak it is entirely possible that he does not have enough free disk space
[17:07] <chiluk> and the post script is failing due to the new check for free space.
[17:07] <chiluk> rbasak.. I also don't speek french.. so I'm not entirely sure what the error messages are saying.
[17:08] <rbasak> chiluk: it's a postinst failure.
[17:08] <rbasak> chiluk: postinst returned error status 1
[17:08] <chiluk> rbasak.. I gathered that much.. I was more curious what MySQLConf.etc.mysql.my.cnf: Error: [Errno 2] Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type: '/etc/mysql/my.cnf'
[17:08] <chiluk>  means
[17:09] <rbasak> Oh
[17:09] <rbasak> Hmm
[17:09] <tarpman> chiluk: no such file or directory
[17:09] <chiluk> well there's your problem.
[17:09] <tarpman> ENOENT
[17:09] <rbasak> OK so that's the user.
[17:09] <rbasak> Thanks
[17:09]  * rbasak learns a little more French
[17:10] <chiluk> I wouldn't expect it to function before the upgrade either.
[17:10] <rbasak> That seems likely. I just wanted to be sure. That makes it clear, and I'm now confident it's not a regression. Thanks!
[17:10] <chiluk> Google translate = "Any file or folder of this type:"  ... not as helpful
[17:11] <rbasak> (and thanks tarpman)
[17:11] <tarpman> :)
[17:11] <rbasak> Usually I guess the translations but I didn't spot that one.
[17:12] <infinity> cjwatson: devirts are far more likely to have, as some point, had lp-buildd restarted or upgraded by hand, rather than started by init.
[17:12] <infinity> cjwatson: Which leads to the locale environment leak issue you fixed in bzr but we haven't rolled out.
[17:12] <cjwatson> Yeah, I was half-thinking that
[17:12] <cjwatson> The failure reproduces in a devirt PPA
[17:13] <cjwatson> So I should maybe just try to get that lp-buildd rolled out early next week rather than bothering with an upload.
[17:13] <infinity> cjwatson: Well, I think a package that fails its testsuite due to locale issues is still buggy.
[17:13] <infinity> cjwatson: It's nice for buildds to provide a consistently sane environemnt, but that's no excuse for shoddy packaging either. :P
[17:14] <infinity> (And easy enough to test locally by just building in C, C.UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8 and seeing what explodes)
[17:14] <cjwatson> I'd be more worried about that if the failure reproduced with sbuild locally
[17:14] <cjwatson> But let's try it if I force LC_ALL=C
[17:15] <infinity> I'd be inclined to test locally in a chroot I can control and know the state of, rather than throwing random hammers at buildds who's environment I'm guessing at.
[17:15] <infinity> whose*
[17:16] <cjwatson> I'm only throwing random hammers out of desperation at being unable to reproduce the failure locally
[17:16] <infinity> I ran into one of these a while back that was confusing as all heck to track down.
[17:16] <infinity> cjwatson: I bet I can reproduce.  Lemme look.
[17:16] <cjwatson> That's obviously where I started
[17:16] <cjwatson> OK.  Note that you need to have a bootstrap ruby-gettext in the chroot
[17:16] <cjwatson> (Or available via apt sources)
[17:16] <infinity> Check.  The one from your PPA should do, I guess.
[17:18] <cjwatson> Yeah, or the one from Debian
[17:24] <infinity> cjwatson: Okay, I apologize for questioning your science.  Not only can I not reproduce, but I'm officially confused.
[17:29] <cjwatson> infinity: I wonder what lp-buildd's env on the builders in question actually says
[17:30] <infinity> Throw something at a devirt with "printenv" and "locale" in debian/rules, and aim it at toyol, so we're debugging the same machine?
[17:31] <cjwatson> Or I could ask a webop
[17:31] <infinity> Well, that doesn't get you the env during a package build.
[17:32] <cjwatson> Finding the env of lp-buildd would probably do
[17:32] <infinity> Probably.
[17:32] <stgraber> infinity: pushing procenv to that buildd should do the trick
[17:33] <cjwatson> Let me do that quickly then
[17:34] <infinity> Already done.
[17:34] <cjwatson> k
[17:34] <infinity> Well, once process-upload hears me.
[17:35] <cjwatson> Copies are usually a bit quicker :)
[17:35] <infinity> Yeah, I wasn't thinking.
[17:39] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/~adconrad/+archive/ppa/+build/5473272
[17:40] <infinity> And in case i386ness matters:
[17:40] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/~adconrad/+archive/ppa/+build/5473275
[17:44] <infinity> Hrm, and can't reproduce when mirroring that env either.
[17:44] <infinity> Double-U Tee Eff.
[17:46] <cjwatson> infinity: I can
[17:46] <cjwatson> -       dh_auto_install
[17:46] <cjwatson> +       LANG=C LANGUAGE=en_GB: LC_ALL=C dh_auto_install
[17:46] <cjwatson> reproduces it in sbuild
[17:46] <infinity> cjwatson: Huh.  Didn't seem to break it here when I just set that in my chroot env.  But yay.
[17:47] <infinity> Oh.  Balls.  My science was probably crap.
[17:47] <infinity> I used debuild, which I bet cleanses.
[17:49] <cjwatson> changing LC_ALL to C.UTF-8 is indeed sufficient
[17:49] <infinity> cjwatson: Or unsetting LANGUAGE would probably also do.
[17:50] <cjwatson> Still fails one test if I do that
[17:50] <infinity> Fun.
[17:51]  * cjwatson uploads, let's see
[18:05] <infinity> cjwatson: It would appear that you don't win.
[18:05] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-gettext/3.0.3-2ubuntu1/+build/5473400  argh
[18:05] <cjwatson> I give up, it's dinnertime anyway.  Feel free to continue beating on it if you get a chance ...
[20:06] <jtaylor> can one force push scipy out of proposed?
[20:06] <jtaylor> its a minor test failure, and a new upstream release is due in a few days where I will skip it
[20:06] <jtaylor> but py3.4 scipy helps for rdepends
[20:07] <jtaylor> oh wait builds are against proposed anyway
[20:07] <jtaylor> so nevermind, didn'T think about that
[20:30] <hallyn> all right this sandbox-upgrade-testing script is getting on my nerves.  It's killing my nested kvm with copying host to destination...
[22:16] <infinity> cjwatson: ruby-gettext hammer applied and forwarded to Debian.


[20:04] <RbertLszl[m]> Hello! There is a Sound Blaster Omni 5.1 external sound card and connects the Casio CT-S100 synthesizer. And my question is, how can the sound card line-in input ring the synthesizer?
[20:21] <gordonjcp> RbertLszl[m]: I think you'd need a cable with a 3.5mm jack on one end, to go to the soundcard, and then the other end with whatever the Casio has
[20:32] <RbertLszl[m]> The thing is.
[20:33] <RbertLszl[m]> I think of software setting.
[20:37] <gordonjcp> in what sense?
[20:41] <RbertLszl[m]> How the jack plug is the synthesizer of the speaker and picks up. I use a translator.
[20:41] <RbertLszl[m]> Question. Are you coming Discord?
[20:47] <gordonjcp> no, I don't use Discord
[20:48] <RbertLszl[m]> Okay
[20:50] <RbertLszl[m]> Can you help me?
[20:52] <gordonjcp> I don't really know what you need help with
[20:56] <RbertLszl[m]> So. There is a Casio CT-S100 synthesizer. And Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS Distibration I love to use the Sound Blaster Omni 5.1 Lin-in Input, both olpers jack plug can take it.
[20:58] <RbertLszl[m]> That's how you got it? I'm sorry, I use a translator.
[20:58] <Eickmeyer> RbertLszl[m]: What's your native language? We have channels that might be able to help you better in your native language.
[20:59] <RbertLszl[m]> Hungarian
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> !hu | RbertLszl[m]
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> Roberalz[m]: /join #ubuntu-hu:libera.chat
[21:00] <RbertLszl[m]> Thank you!
[21:19] <gordonjcp> RbertLszl[m]: ah, I'd ask my partner but she's just gone to bed, she's got Hungarian parents
[21:19] <gordonjcp> she speaks a little Hungarian :-)
[21:29] <RbertLszl[m]> I undartand
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: We can't allow non-English in an English-moderated channel, unfortunately.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> It's just simply because moderators can't moderate a language they don't understand.
[21:39] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: genau
[21:43] <RbertLszl[m]> Eickmeyer: I undartand


 It was a great little tablet for Android.
[03:47] <mapps> you didn find it slow for chrome
[03:48] <mapps> i used it mainly for watching vids on train or work
[03:48] <mapps> why don you replace the memory
[03:48] <ball> mapps: I didn't think they were repairable.
[03:48] <ball> ...aren't they glued together?
[03:49] <mapps> oh
[03:50] <mapps> i thought youd be able to jus take it apart and replace
[03:51] <mapps> https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/108068/Changing+of+flash+memory
[03:51] <mapps> yea doesnt look easy
[03:51] <ball> I think they're supposed to be disposeable. I just can't bring myself to buy another.
[03:51] <mapps> ah hat sucks i hae throwing stuff out
[03:52] <ball> If I had the money I'd be more likely to buy a laptop.
[03:52] <ball> Can't really justify the expense though.
[03:56] <mapps> ah
[03:56] <mapps> i use my lenovo everyhwhere, got a carry case for it ;]
[03:56] <mapps> lenvo tablet that is
[03:57] <ball> I just bought a TS140 for the office. Not exactly portable though ;-)
[03:59] <mapps> lenovo server?
[03:59] <mapps> you dont have a laptop atm?]
[04:00] <mapps> said youd buy one if you could...surely you have one
[04:00] <mapps> i have 2, 3 tables, 2 phones.geek ehl;]
[04:01] <ball> I don't own a laptop.
[04:03] <ball> Years ago I had a Mac DuoBook 2300c and I think before that a sort-of-Pentium that was really a 32-bit machine with most of the I/O hanging off ISA bus.
[04:03] <ball> ...that was a good machine for its time.
[04:03] <ball> Oh, and I had a couple of iBooks, including one that I ran Yellow Dog Linux on.
[04:05] <mapps> you ggot a desktop?
[04:05] <mapps> surely ?
[04:08] <ball> Yes, sort of. I need to buy an SSD for it.
[04:08] <ball> ...or put a couple of 2.5" disks in there.
[04:10] <mapps> ah
[04:10] <mapps> what ou on now then
[04:12] <ball> A combination of my wife's Mac mini, my daughter's Ubuntu box and a BSD account in Michigan that I've had since 1997.
[04:13] <ball> ...though we've changed platform on that Michigan box, from SPARC to amd64, iirc.
[04:13] <mapps> ah cool
[04:13] <mapps> i cant imagine no laptop or desktop, id rather have an old p4 than nothing
[04:13] <mapps> cant beieve some people ony have a phone and use that fr everything
[04:14] <ball> I have a Pentium 4 at the office. ;-)
[04:14] <ball> 2.5 GHz single-core, 2G RAM, 40G disk.
[04:14] <ball> ...mostly works for me, though it sucks at video.
[04:14] <ball> Fortunately I don't use it for that.
[04:15] <ball> It's mostly an RDP client.
[04:15] <ball> ...and runs some network tools.
[04:16] <mapps> ya
[04:16] <mapps> :)7
[04:16] <mapps> whats i t run
[04:20] <ball> NetBSD/i386 7.0.1
[04:27] <ball> mapps: ...or did you mean the tools?
[04:28] <mapps> i neant is ya
[04:28] <mapps> you watch mr robot
[04:31] <ball> No, I don't watch much television.
[04:32] <mapps> oh
 mapps: btw, do you remember the name of that ubuntu movie player people used to keep telling me to try
[04:39] <mapps> any idea what hes thinking of
 it had a K like KDE but not kde
[04:43] <ball> kdenlive?
[04:45] <ball> kvlc? :-)
[05:02] <ball> kgiveup
[05:03] <mapps> heh
[06:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:17] <corenominal> morning :)
[07:57] <dwatkins> allo allo
[08:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:07] <foobarry> after much umming and awwing I bought a metal detector yesterday
[08:17] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 foobarry
[08:17] <davmor2> foobarry: you have too much time on your hands that's your problem ;)
[08:18] <foobarry> should have just bought it quickly you mean?
[08:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning me owld mucka 'ow in blazes am ya
[08:18] <foobarry> i don't like spending money on myself :S
[08:18] <foobarry> even though it was funded purely from amazon vouchers
[08:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: feeling pretty crappy today to be honest, not sure if i'm just tired or coming down with something
[08:25] <zmoylan-pi> well, anything valuable you find belongs to the queen so it's not all spending money on yourself :-)
[08:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: :( well pull yourself together man or we'll have to start calling you a southerner ;)
[08:26] <foobarry> only old stuf
[08:26] <foobarry> stuf less than 250 years belongs to me , and the landowner, depending on the agreement
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> and if it's found on beaches?
[08:30] <foobarry> if its "treasure" then its declared
[08:30] <foobarry> if its a gold necklace from ratners then it's yours
[08:30] <foobarry> The Treasure Act 1996 deals with the definition of treasure, along with the payment of rewards in relation to permitted metal detecting
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> i think you dig a deeper hole for the rathers stuff :-)
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> *ratners
[08:33] <foobarry> might popo down to southend at my learning trip
[08:33] <foobarry> shame that detecting is so restrictied in UK
[08:33] <foobarry> in the US they don't have an history i suppose. you can detect in most parks etc
[08:34] <zmoylan-pi> stops national treasures been melted down for cash
[08:34] <foobarry> more likely they will discover a hoard for excavation
[08:34] <foobarry> which often happens
[08:35] <foobarry> http://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/archaeology/art548868-Archaeological-dig-planned-as-metal-detectorist-discovers-untouched-Bronze-Age-burial-mound
[08:35] <foobarry> etc etc
[08:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> Heh. "The Detectorists" was a good show.
[08:46]  * TwistedLucidity knows nothing about detectorology
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> Attach a VR drone to the detectoriser, then you can whizz up and down the beach/field/whatever from the comfort of your own home!
[08:49] <TwistedLucidity> Do it close enough to the ground, and you could cut the grass at the same time.
[08:49] <TwistedLucidity> New for 2017 from Flymo: Remote VR lawnmower and treasure finder.
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> *Actual treasure is not guaranteed
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> state of the lawn afterwards neither...
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Embrace Your Geekness Day! 😃
[09:03]  * zmoylan-pi checks to see that i'm wearing a geeky t-shirt... ancient dvd cca with source code for decrypting linux on the back...
[09:03] <foobarry> buying a metal detector is embracing my geekness
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> *decrypting dvds on linux
[09:04] <JamesTait> deCSS.png?
[09:04] <zmoylan-pi> that's the one
[09:06] <JamesTait> Kids today don't know the things we went through just so they can watch Pokemon movies on those long-haul flights.
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> it's the ones hammering on the cockpit door to get the next pokemon that will learn the hard way...
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: No, repurposing the metal detector as an at-home-MRI machine is embracing your geeknees. Bonus points for doing the processing on a RasPi cluster.
[09:07] <foobarry> my new ringtone.... do doooo do doo
[09:07] <foobarry> right
[09:07] <JamesTait> Heheh.
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> camerons theme?
[09:08] <JamesTait> That reminds me - there are a load of compositions that have sprung up from that, I need to have a listen.
[09:08] <foobarry> really cheered me up that did
[09:08] <JamesTait> "Cameron's Lament" was one, I believe.
[09:08] <foobarry> still lauighing about it
[09:08] <foobarry> better than chewbaccas mum
[09:09] <JamesTait> The press conference had an air of Roy Hodgson about it, but the little ditty at the end rescued it.
[09:10] <foobarry> i find it funny because its the sort of thing i do, but usually the walalce and gromit theme tune
[09:10] <JamesTait> Git, I'm going to be singing that all morning now.
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.avclub.com/article/internet-has-field-day-david-camerons-sad-little-r-239453 has a selection of derivative works... :-P
[09:11] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, that's the one!
[09:11] <foobarry> been singing it for 10 years
[09:11] <foobarry> i thought the cameron tune was a happy one
[09:20] <diddledan> morning
[09:45] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's the end of the world as we know it, this is the end hold your breath and count to ten etc
[10:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: think this covers you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5yFCV-GuRE
[10:31] <JamesTait> SO it would seem.
[11:17] <diddledan> still waiting on my package :-(
[11:19] <TwistedLucidity> I wish my RasPi UPS would turn up 'n all.
[11:19] <diddledan> ooh new pi
[11:19] <diddledan> do you have plans for it?
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> how big is a rasp pi ups? are you sure they didn't leave it under door mat? :-)
[11:20] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Old Pi B+, new UPS
[11:20] <diddledan> aah
[11:20] <diddledan> UPS.  Often seen around landfills
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> how far from nearest river as some will stay near water that way
[11:43] <diddledan> there's a canal the other side of town somewhere I think
[11:43] <diddledan> other than that about 4 miles
[11:44] <diddledan> maybe a bit more
[11:44] <diddledan> the test river rises near basingstoke
[11:45] <diddledan> https://goo.gl/maps/rMewtLf1PoS2
[11:46] <diddledan> the marker should be on roughly the source of the test
[11:46] <diddledan> the test is the one that enters the sea at southampton
[11:49] <diddledan> bigcalm: lol
[11:49] <diddledan> I love amazon's box choices
[11:50] <TwistedLucidity> When does the Test river become the Release river?
[11:50] <diddledan> when it gets good enough grades?
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> after it bypasses google hq?
[12:13] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36780959/gta-5-pride-modification-aims-to-honour-orlando-attack-victims
[13:28] <ball> Mornin'
[13:28] <diddledan> balls
[13:28] <diddledan> it's 'noon
[13:28] <diddledan> :-p
[13:29] <ball> diddledan: It's always mornin' somewhere. ;-)
[13:29] <diddledan> it's always morning in Universal Greeting Time
[13:33] <ball> It's 08:33 here and I'm thinking of going to the garage across the road in search of a fancy coffee.
[13:34] <diddledan> fancy coffee ftw
[13:34] <ball> ...looks dark and foreboding out there though. Might get struck by lightning.
[13:34] <diddledan> :-o
[13:46] <diddledan> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/72799/microsoft-bringing-skype-linux-chromebook-chrome-web-browser
[13:52] <diddledan> downloads are at https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-Alpha-and-calling-on-Chrome-amp-Chromebooks/td-p/4434299
[14:09] <TwistedLucidity> Sooo...only for ChromeOS? No actual *real* GNU/Linuv love? That was the big announcement we're supposed to get excited over?
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> Ah "Linux, Chromebook". OK then
[14:10] <diddledan> you misread
[14:10]  * TwistedLucidity gets excited
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> Actually, not really excited. Skype is just a means to an end, I only really use it to speak with my parents
[14:11] <TwistedLucidity> And the client I'm using now (no idea of version) does text, audio & video well enough.
[14:12] <ball> Skype is horrid in my experience. One of the few things it has going for it is that it's cross-platform.
[14:12] <TwistedLucidity> I'd rather use Jitsi, but it seems to struggle with my parents' poor internet
[16:23] <svea____> Guess what this is? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pln8MzJ5/irccloudcapture-521740221.jpg nsfw
[16:24] <svea____> Oops wrong place please ignore and wipe from logs
[16:25] <czajkowski> cant be wipped
[16:25] <svea____> Crud
[16:25] <svea____> Can I destroy the link it leads to by somehow wiping from irccloud?
[16:26] <ball> Was it a question about goats?
[16:27] <czajkowski> svea____: all Ubuntu channels are automatically logged - why not remove the image
[16:28] <svea____> I wish I knew how
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[18:17] <davmor2> Seeker`: hi
[18:18] <davmor2> meh Seeker` sorry was for Seb but he went :)
[18:20] <mappps> hi akkll
[19:50] <ali1234> http://twitchls.com/previouslyrecorded_live streaming pokemon go - this is amazing
[20:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: is something amazing gonna happen?
[20:06] <ali1234> technical difficulties probably
[20:06] <ali1234> or they might get mugged
[20:06] <Azelphur> lol
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> are we betting on the horrible things that could happen to them? :-P
[20:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: I've been playing it with my gf, great fun, me and her own every gym in Margate
[20:12] <ali1234> i installed it today but i didn't try actually playing it yet
[20:12] <ali1234> seems like a lot of effort
[20:12] <daftykins> wussat?
[20:12] <ali1234> poke mango
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> it's not effort it's exercise... :-)
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> granted it's in the great outdoor which most geeks nerds have a natural aversion to... :-)
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> it would explain that i saw a lot more young folk out walking glued to their screens on car free cycle lane / foot path near here...
[20:39] <daftykins> :)
[20:40] <daftykins> suffice to say, there'll be more blood spilled and idiots Darwin awarded before the month is through
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be like blackberry never went away... :-P
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> now they just need to make a pac man version for the kids of the 80s :-D
[20:45] <daftykins> did they have a rep on their inception for driving people to self injury?
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> when they first appeared around dublin i must have stopped a dozen people gazing at them from stepping onto road at traffic lights without looking.  then i stopped bothering.  if they wanted to be that dumb, who was i to stop them?
[20:52] <daftykins> too right
[20:57] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/EwgYOSI.jpg do these caps look blown? they've peaked up in the centre (not the middle one of the 3 circled)
[20:57] <ali1234> yes
[20:57] <daftykins> ty sir
[20:58] <daftykins> iffy reliability on this clients' old core 2 duo machine, only POSTs sometimes
[20:58] <ali1234> ATWY caps are known to be poor quality too
[20:58] <daftykins> mmm, it is a pretty low end board
[20:59] <daftykins> Asus P5KPL-AM SE
[20:59] <ali1234> "TK stands for Terrible Kapacitors"
[20:59] <daftykins> still, survived 7 years!
[20:59] <ali1234> http://www.audunmelbye.no/2012/05/17/motherboard-repair/
[21:01] <daftykins> :D
[21:01] <tabland> Hi guys, just testing my nickserv
[21:01] <daftykins> it'd be so useful if i could solder right about now
[21:01] <daftykins> tabland: #freenode is handy for that ;)
[21:01] <tabland> thanks
[21:01] <ali1234> ship it to me, i'll do it for £50
[21:01] <ali1234> including caps
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure your local hackerspace teaches soldering daftykins
[21:02] <daftykins> haha, i bet there's no such thing
[21:02] <ali1234> soldering is the easy part tbh. getting the old caps out without damaging the board is the hard bit
[21:02] <Myrtti> we've got a cheapie amp that needs at least a cap replacement
[21:02] <Myrtti> at least.
[21:03] <Myrtti> it's got a hum that's super annoying, but it also makes a ticking noise
[21:03] <daftykins> Myrtti: is that on the list of "things hubby hasn't got around to" :D
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_Hacker_Spaces
[21:03] <Myrtti> daftykins: and research too http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2UIUVY41HEEKU
[21:04] <daftykins> funky!
[21:05] <daftykins> i'd kinda like a higher end hifi for my bedroom, the little JVC micro component system i have (still with minidisc!) sounds rubbish playing back things i know
[21:05] <Myrtti> we had to unplug it because we kept thinking we've got a deathwatch beetle in the loft. Turns out the amp outputted a knocking sound to the JBL's on our wardrobes
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> someone other than sony made minidisc??
[21:05] <Myrtti> drove me nuts for months
[21:06] <daftykins> hells yeah, MD was ace \o/
[21:06] <daftykins> i had a couple of portable players back in the day :)
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> i always wanted a minidisc at the time but couldn't justify the expense
[21:07] <daftykins> Myrtti: i too am quite sensitive to noises, the xbox360 of mine (not that it is used much anymore) power supply emits a high pitched whine when simply plugged in - i can also hear the 2.5" laptop hard disk plugged into my xbox one spinning when the console is also off :/
[21:07] <Myrtti> yeah, it's really annoying
[21:08] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i probably paid £230 odd for those players back then, had a Sharp branded one also - in fact this very one! http://www.minidisc.org/images/sharp_mdmt877.jpg
[21:08] <daftykins> i seem to have a knack for memorising model numbers
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> then ones i was looking at used a single aa battery for a ridiculous amount of time considering what it was doing
[21:09] <daftykins> indeed! they coped quite well with being thrown around with my cycling too, i think they had a decent chunk of DRAM as a buffer
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> in the end mp3s came along and i got a cheap cd player that read discs stuffed with mp3s
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> 10 cds worth on one cd
[21:10] <daftykins> aaah that rings a bell
[21:10] <daftykins> :)
[21:10] <daftykins> ooh you've reminded me, i picked up the 5 CD set from the clients' which is decidedly less scratched than his first one
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> ripping cds on amd-k62.  an overnight job to rip one cd...
[21:10] <daftykins> so it's back on the ripping job for me
[21:10] <daftykins> ouch!
[21:11] <daftykins> that sounds more optical based than encode based o0
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> it was a very slow pc with just 32mb of ram. we bought them super cheap
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> some of the sharpest most jagged pc cases i ever had the misfortune to handle
[21:14] <diddledan> daftykins: up and running!
[21:14] <daftykins> diddledan: :D
[21:14] <daftykins> diddledan: how's she feel?
[21:14] <diddledan> I still need to copy my 'dows drive onto the superspeed ssd but it's fairly snappy as is
[21:14] <diddledan> "seems faster"
[21:16] <daftykins> you should just install from the anniversary media when it comes out august 2nd
[21:16] <daftykins> so you just booted the existing install? :P there's a recipe for disaster :D
[21:16] <diddledan> I did :-p
[21:17] <daftykins> lawl
[21:20] <diddledan> I need to take half a day to route my power cables in my pc properly
[21:20] <diddledan> as is I just shoved a shedload of cable-ties at it
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> bring bandaid and tcp
[21:21] <daftykins> heh
[21:21] <diddledan> the main atx and cpu power I think I can hide behind the board professional-like
[21:22] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lhv5x4gx8fix535/7.jpg?dl=0
[21:22] <daftykins> i did mine nice 'n' tidy ;D
[21:22]  * diddledan tears-up at the beauty
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> fancy
[21:23] <daftykins> you're too kind!
[21:23] <daftykins> that's the honkin' great new nvidia 1070 too
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points for resisting the urge to have blue leds or lite up cables everywhere :-)
[21:23] <diddledan> :-o
[21:23] <diddledan> no fur
[21:25] <daftykins> you say that but 2 weeks in i did vacuum some Mischief from the front intakes behind the door ;)
[21:26] <daftykins> hehe, yeah maybe in my youth but i don't like any of that daftness now
[21:26] <daftykins> in fairness the mobo does have silly red LEDs that swoosh around, but it's all firmly disabled
[21:26] <diddledan> my mobo has leds around the audio circuitry
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> red leds... bad but endurable.  blue are just annoying though
[21:26] <diddledan> orange ones!
[21:26] <daftykins> ah bless, with all this old core 2 junk i can finally upgrade my file server from 4GB RAM to 8GB
[21:27] <diddledan> \o/
[21:27] <daftykins> or i could run it with 4GB DDR3 instead of 2, as it's one of those funky DDR2 and 3 hybrid boards!
[21:27] <daftykins> sadly only one at once, of course
[21:29] <diddledan> I'm more happy than I thought I would be about being back on an intel cpu - I wonder why that gives me warm fuzzies?
[21:29] <diddledan> intel ftw?
[21:30] <daftykins> evil practices in the past, but things work :)
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> less evil than nvidia...
[21:56] <daftykins> really? but intel did all that anti competitive marketing funds stuff
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> but linus cussed out nvidia :-)
[22:50] <daftykins> weeeeell, Linux support is what it is :P
[22:50] <daftykins> FOSS folk can have their underwear twisted whichever way they like, i agree it's a shame, but development time for 1 or 2% of your market? it's just business sense
[23:00] <ali1234> nvidia puts a huge amount of development into linux
[23:00] <ali1234> they just don't open source most of it
[23:01] <ali1234> in the end though, it works far better than anything else
[23:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[23:18] <daftykins> indeedy, nvidia'd be my choice if i ran a Loonix


[02:39] <kinghat> valorie: which system logs do you think they are talking about?
[02:40] <kinghat> and is 'systemctl status vboxweb-service.service' a command string?
[09:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[16:26] <kinghat> valorie: i think its the latest kubuntu 18.10 kernel. i switched to the previous release and im not seeing the issue anymore.
[18:04] <jubo2> My Friend's Kubuntu 18.04.1 broke again
[18:04] <jubo2> this time attempting normal startup just drops him into recovery mode
[18:05] <jubo2> running 'journalctl -xB' (not sure about the switches) that it suggests prints as last line something about MTRR
[18:05] <jubo2> With this many problems it is quite sure that the laptop has faulty hardware :(
[18:06] <jubo2> I gonna suggest him to run memtest86
[18:06] <jubo2> If someone has some idea about how to fix the computer it would be much appreciated
[18:09] <jubo2> He's running memtest86 now
[18:46] <jubo2> Yeah.. memtest keeps on crashing
[18:46] <jubo2> so it is either faulty RAM or the memory controller has broken
[18:46] <jubo2> I told him to remove one module at a time and try the memtest86 again
[18:47] <jubo2> this way we can figure out if the problem is in the RAM or the memory controller
[20:27] <kinghat> valorie: i dont think its the kernel. well when i open virtual box is makes those issues. but it didnt used to. so something changed and now doesnt like it.
[20:44] <kinghat> is it possible to change over to wayland on kubuntu?
[20:49] <valorie> kinghat: very possibly - vbox is just one of possible VMs you can try
[20:49] <valorie> yes, you can use wayland by not everything will work
[20:50] <valorie> !wayland
[20:50] <valorie> pfff
[20:50] <valorie> there is a package you can add
[20:51] <valorie> plasma-workspace-wayland I think
[20:51] <valorie> !info plasma-workspace-wayland
[20:53] <kinghat> valorie: I don't use vbox very much but it was working fine when I installed it. then time passed and Kubuntu had updates and now it freaks out. to why I don't think it's vbox.
[20:54] <valorie> ok
[20:54]  * valorie is running 18.10 quite happily
[20:54] <kinghat> as for Wayland, what type of things wouldn't work?
[20:54] <kinghat> valorie: that's what I'm on. can't you test vbox?
[20:54] <valorie> well, nvidia is still very much a problem
[20:55] <kinghat> that's ok in AMD
[20:55] <valorie> right
[20:55] <kinghat> I'm*
[20:56] <valorie> ok, I just started the one VM I have right now, which is win10
[20:56] <valorie> starts up just fine
[20:57] <valorie> gosh, now I can't remember how to use stupid windows
[21:00] <kinghat> in vbox you mean?
[21:13] <kinghat> i guess one reason is i want native night mode and i think thats only a wayland thing. but redshift is working for me.
[21:36] <valorie> kinghat: I want that too, but redshift works for me too
[21:37] <valorie> I have nvidia so for me wayland will be awhile
[21:50] <kinghat> if it was default is ubuntu 17 will it be default in the next LTS?
[22:06] <valorie> kinghat: it wasn't
[22:06] <kinghat> oh
[22:06] <kinghat> thought i read that somewhere. whoops
[22:07] <valorie> I think that while gnome had some early success with wayland it's not continued, and the sessions were not felt to be trustworthy enough for an LTS
[22:07] <valorie> I don't think it is in 18.10
[22:07] <valorie> and haven't yet heard about what will be default for 19.04
[22:07] <valorie> which is not LTS
[22:10] <kinghat> tyvm for the info.
[22:32] <kinghat> GD. every time i start up the PC and login baloo is always giving me a crashed msg.
[22:50] <fareast> I think I like kde
[23:00] <valorie> fareast: it's a great community that makes great software
[23:00] <valorie> so I agree
[23:05] <kinghat> removed vbox again, and on install i get these same errors: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ee22b12a/
[23:05] <kinghat> someone else on 18.10 has the same thing: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=90643
[23:09] <valorie> kinghat: does it work though?
[23:09] <valorie> it reports successful install
[23:09] <kinghat> well last time i did this it worked the first time then wouldnt work after a reboot
[23:11] <valorie> if that happens again please file a bug: ubuntu-bug virtualbox
[23:11] <kinghat> but then my system starts freaking out after i get the errors in vbox. literally after x amount of time, a couple hours of normal computing(?), shit hits the fan. to where i cant even logout, restart, or shutdown.
[23:11] <valorie> in the commandline
[23:11] <valorie> if that happens again, file it in the terminal so those files get uploaded
[23:12] <valorie> the logfiles I mean
[23:13] <kinghat> systemctl status vboxweb-service.service
[23:13] <kinghat> Failed to get properties: Connection timed out
[23:14] <valorie> ok but using that command to file the bug report gets the necessary files
[23:14] <valorie> without you having to dig for them manually
[23:14] <kinghat> which command?
[23:20] <valorie> ubuntu-bug virtualbox
[23:22] <kinghat> valorie: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Jfohpr65/image.png
[23:22] <valorie> yep
[23:23] <valorie> funny that it uses the enormously out-of-date "KDE" instead of Plasma but whatever
[23:24] <kinghat> kinghat@kinghat-kubuntu:/media/kinghat/Staging/New Files$ ubuntu-bug virtualbox
[23:24] <kinghat> Failed to get unit file state for whoopsie.service: Connection timed out
[23:25] <kinghat> shit FF just crashed. wonder if its happening again.
[23:26] <kinghat> the ubuntu reporter popped this up in my browser though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+filebug/c6039c4e-f9ad-11e8-9660-d485646cd9a4?
[23:26] <kinghat> do i need to do anything here? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nLx6ftkg/image.png
 Hi! U have Kubuntu running on my work laptop. It has a proxy connection in which only the browser can connect to cyberspace. Is there a way to get other apps (Discover, module, weather widget) to use the proxy? Can the be directed to use the browser (Palemoon) internet connection?? Thanks
[23:33] <valorie> yes, you need to make at least a short description and say how you run into the bug
 @Anarchotaoist, Corrections: I have Kubuntu - not u. Konsole not module
[23:34] <valorie> attaching those links you put in the channel earlier will make it better too
[23:52] <kinghat> valorie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1807286


[01:53]  * pwnguin is one step closer to world domination
[02:05] <bryce> pwnguin: congrats!  :-)
[02:08] <pwnguin> bryce: thanks for your help
[02:08] <pwnguin> i donno what vorian's problm is
[02:09] <bryce> *shrug* probably just grumpy
[02:11] <pwnguin> bryce: should i file a bug report that inkscape diagrams suck? :)
[02:12] <bryce> I'm pretty sure that's already known, but suck in what way exactly?
[02:12] <pwnguin> in a broad range of ways related to arrow layout
[02:12] <bryce> oh, yeah that's already fairly well known
[02:13] <bryce> in fact originally inkscape didn't have any arrows at all.
[02:13] <pwnguin> hint: this sort of thing is highly related to your last blog entry
[02:14] <bryce> I hooked up the code to enable them, but there's still a ton of mis-features.  I think a lot are still on my todo list, but my inkscape hacking time has gotten pretty piss poor the last few years
[02:14] <pwnguin> i bet
[02:14] <pwnguin> well, as long as its known, no need to rattle cages or anything
[02:15] <bryce> yeah
[02:16] <bryce> regarding the streams ui concept, actually I've got a LOT more I plan to go into in upcoming blog entries, but I wanted to split it all up into more easily digested chunks
[02:17] <bryce> sometimes I think I'm the most long winded blogger...  but sometimes it's easier to explain something in a lot of words than in a short few
[02:17] <pwnguin> heh
[02:17] <pwnguin> pictures help
[02:18] <pwnguin> im using inkscape right now to make a picture of package flow
[02:19] <bryce> kewl
[09:14] <bryce> tseliot: I've got a meeting with ATI tomorrow morning, are there any particular -fglrx bugs you'd like me to bring to their attention?
[09:22] <tseliot> bryce: nothing comes to my mind, apart from having support for Xen-enabled kernels
[09:22] <tseliot> since Intrepid will ship with Xen enabled by default
[09:22] <pwnguin> its already tomorrow morning
[09:22] <pwnguin> bryce: when do you sleep?
[09:23] <pwnguin> oh right, you're -2 hours
[09:24] <bryce> tseliot: so like lp: #151327 ?
[09:25] <tseliot> bryce: yep
[17:52] <bryce> tseliot: I mentioned the Xen issue to AMD.  They said it isn't something they've tested before, but they may try testing it. BenC also made some points that the current kernel (in intrepid I guess?) has xen disabled at the moment.
[17:54] <tseliot> bryce: ok, good. Only a few minutes ago did I become aware of the fact that BenC has disabled xen
[17:54] <tseliot> bryce: BTW have a look at my screencast (in my email) when you have the time
[17:55] <bryce> will do
[20:28] <Q-FUNK> howdy
[20:28] <Q-FUNK> bryce: here?
[20:29] <bryce> yes
[20:31] <Q-FUNK> ah, cna you come to #ubuntu-devel ?
[20:31] <Q-FUNK> steve is trying to make his final decision for the geode issue and 8.04.1
[23:13] <Q-FUNK> re
[23:13] <Q-FUNK> bryce: did we get the updated -all and -geode packages into the hardy-proposed queue already?
[23:14] <bryce> Q-FUNK: you should apt-get src and doublecheck
[23:15] <Q-FUNK> ok