[02:33] <rabbitear_sdf> https://youtu.be/1ZFI3YWKL0I
[05:48] <nacyro> A A... Speak Test...
[08:49] <godzilla> why i can't type chinese in ubuntu??
[08:51] <godzilla> hi all


[00:35] <pylearner> On latest ubuntu I am curious to why nothing in python works right
[00:36] <sarnold> there's two different programming languages that share the name 'python', one is python2, the other is python3; because the upstream python2 community dropped support for it, so we've gone to some efforts to remove it
[00:36] <oerheks> on 20.04, python2 is dropped.
[00:36] <sarnold> so there's a lot of python2-based packages that were removed
[00:37] <sarnold> if you give us the exact error messages you're facing we may have suggestions
[00:37] <oerheks> one can install 2.7, though, but that would be pointless.
[00:38] <M_aD> python 2 went EOL on January
[00:38] <M_aD> on/in
[00:38] <pylearner> sarnold, I think I should just remove python 2 stuff but when i apt-get install python it installs python 2
[00:38] <M_aD> pylearner: python 3 is installed by default
[00:39] <pylearner> sarnold, when i got to remove it does not apt-get remove python it does not work
[00:39] <oerheks> python is a essential component, why removing it?
[00:39] <sarnold> pylearner: you can also install the python3 package to get python3, and if you want the name 'python' to mean 'python3', you can also install the python-is-python3 package
[00:41] <pylearner> oerheks, that is why it would not let me remove so i need python 2
[00:41] <pylearner> oerheks, good to know
[00:42] <sarnold> whether or not you need python2 is another question entirely :)
[00:42] <pylearner> so i guess install python3 but the question is will my python script work
[00:43] <sarnold> it depends; some scripts are bilingual and run in either; other scripts only work in one or the other..
[00:45] <euxneks> confirmed it is not wayland - logging into Xorg the japanese input issue persists. I have installed anthy and was able to input into hexchat but firefox still only does latin characters
[00:46] <sarnold> dang :(
[00:46] <euxneks> every link on a google search for the first three pages is purple. I haven't a clue how to search for this issue - I'm going to try to find a log file somewhere
[00:47] <sarnold> try ~/.xsession* files, journalctl -f before launching firefox or slack, or maybe just look through journalctl output after having problems
[01:04] <possiblydementic> Guys, a quick one. How do I make an alias in .bashrc that if I type "blah booboo" it makes "curl https://foo.bar/booboo"
[01:05] <possiblydementic> I'm so tired and my heads not working right
[01:06] <possiblydementic> or do I need a function
[01:07] <sarnold> function
[01:07] <sarnold> possiblydementic: I don't think alias lets you modify an argument like that
[01:07] <ChmEarl> ucurl() {curl "$@" ;}
[01:09] <ChmEarl> ^ correct ws:   ucurl () { curl "$@" ; }
[01:11] <possiblydementic> allright, thank you! I'll try it
[01:11] <ChmEarl> possiblydementic,  type it into .bashrc, then `source .bashrc`
[01:25] <Kiwis> is runsvdir-start not available anymore in rinit ?
[01:27] <sarnold> what is rinit?
[01:27] <Kiwis> sorry runit
[01:27] <sarnold> aha
[01:28] <sarnold> it looks unchanged for the last few releases https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/runit
[01:28] <Kiwis> strange my docker image cannot find it when runit is installed
[01:28] <Kiwis> and it's not there
[01:29] <sarnold> https://sources.debian.org/src/runit/2.1.2-36/debian/runit.NEWS/?hl=3#L3
[01:29] <sarnold>     Runit no longer provides /sbin/runsvdir-start symbolic link to
[01:29] <sarnold>  -- Dmitry Bogatov<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 31 May 2016 21:51:28 +0300
[01:29] <Kiwis> aha
[01:29] <sarnold> looks like you're right, it's just not particularly recent, hehe :)
[01:30] <Kiwis> heh, sorry :)
[01:30] <sarnold> recent enough, though, I guess :(
[01:30] <Kiwis> so just use /etc/runit/2 ?
[01:30] <sarnold> that's how I read this, anyway
[01:34] <Kiwis> sarnold yap too away that error, thanks!
[01:36] <sarnold> Kiwis: nice! :)
[01:37] <Kiwis> sarnold now the rest, couchbase doesn't start yet
[01:38] <sarnold> Kiwis: oof :) well, one at a time..
[01:38] <Kiwis> sarnold I realized as well and I got a lot of alcohol today :D
[01:39] <Kiwis> damn, alcohol gives so much energy :D
[01:39] <sarnold> heh, as I've always heard it, the ballmer peak is good for creativity tasks, but perhaps not for detail-oriented tasks :)
[01:40] <Kiwis> yeah I'm pretty good at both, I have a very high "burn all energy in body" so...
[01:41] <sarnold> that's wonderful when you can direct it like a laser beam on something :)
[01:41] <Kiwis> sarnold the only think might be wrong understood by is if I ask you if you are sexy today
[01:41] <Kiwis> *by you
[01:44] <sarnold> Kiwis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJYXbKpH6OQ
[01:44] <Kiwis> sarnold LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ
[01:45] <tripelb> Ok i installed everythink I was told and I still cant play a dvd. It works fine on a not-linux.
[01:45] <tripelb> 20.04
[01:46] <oerheks> dvd ..
[01:47] <sarnold> Kiwis: haha, I haven't heard this in years
[01:47] <oerheks> there is a wiki for that, 2 steps
[01:47] <tripelb> Please, this has been goin on a long time. I used to use windows instead of 18.04
[01:47] <Kiwis> sarnold I recognize the movie you send me... didn't see that for 30 years for sure!
[01:47] <oerheks> sudo apt install libdvd-pkg && sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
[01:48] <oerheks> * if you have multiverse enabled; sudo add-apt-repository multiverse
[02:00] <Kiwis> oerheks bedtime!
[02:00] <Kiwis> Ik bedoel bedtijd
[02:46] <DrMax> goddammit
[02:46] <DrMax> raw thumbnails stopped working in 20.04
[02:47] <DrMax> what's the way to get cr2, cr3, etc. thumbnails back ?
[03:07] <DrMax> ok, found: you have to edit /usr/share/thumbnailers/gdk-pixbuf-thumbnailer.thumbnailer and add image/x-canon-cr2;image/x-canon-cr3;image/x-canon-crw; (or the wanted formats)
[03:07] <DrMax> it seems to be effective as soon as you ctrl-r a view
[03:07] <sarnold> DrMax: woo, thanks for reporting back
[03:07] <DrMax> the solution is from: https://community.linuxmint.com/idea/view/2351
[03:08] <DrMax> (because I use nemo... no offense to the hardworking people that maintain nautilus)
[03:11] <td_> I had a quick question -- I like ubuntu but I don't particularly want all the applications that come with ubuntu desktop. Would my best option be to install ubuntu server and then pick and choose what packages i'd like to install?
[03:11] <DrMax> or just remove individual apps?
[03:12] <td_> yeah, i was trying to figure the least labor intensive way to go.. i'd like to remove the majority of the packages
[03:14] <sarnold> td_: starting from ubuntu-server and adding new is pretty easy
[03:15] <DrMax> If you want to start from scratch (which I would'nt) I guess you could remove gnome-desktop and reinstall just gnome
[03:15] <sarnold> td_: I did something very similar for my current laptop (I wanted root on ZFS on LUKS and at the time, the installer couldn't offer it..)
[03:15] <td_> ok good to know
[03:16] <sarnold> td_: but starting from ubuntu-server and installing xorg and i3wm or fvwm or whatever is easy enough
[03:16] <td_> yeah, i'm decently familiar with doing similar things on some other distros that didn't come with a gui pre installed
[03:18] <sarnold> ah! good, then it's very similar :)
[03:18] <sarnold> well, okay, I've done that with slackware *ages* ago and debian just one age ago..
[03:18] <sarnold> I've not tried it with other more recent less dinosaur-oriented distros :) but I assume it's pretty similar across the board
[03:20] <td_> yeah i've done it on openbsd, wanted a similar experience with ubuntu.. minimalistic approach kind of thing, a gui and a browser and some other stuff
[03:20] <td_> just not really all the bells and whistles :)
[03:21] <sarnold> nice nice
[03:40] <dust> installed zsys package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[03:46] <sarnold> dust: can you run ubuntu-bug zsys and report that? do you have zfs installed? are you using zfs?
[03:54] <Dr_Coke> Does anyone know if Nvidia geforce driver 450 is available yet I have 440 but no sign of it in my repos
[03:54] <Dr_Coke> no sign of the 450 driver
[04:15] <dust> sarnold, yes zfs installed
[04:25] <dust> sarnold, did the report
[04:31] <dust> sarnold, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsys/+bug/1887608
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> dust: your system is not up to date?
[04:38] <dust> lotuspsychje, after autoupdates it said packages couldnt be installed
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> dust: could you add the apt errors on your bug too please?
[04:39] <dust> and thata lot of times
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> dust: if its a large output, attach a .txt file of the logs to your bug
[04:48] <dust> lotuspsychje, where do i find it?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | dust
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> dust: then make a .txt of the errors after the apt command
[04:50] <dust> ah k u mean directly from terminal... thought there is somewhere a log file of it
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> dust: thats whats happening right? apt gives you errors?
[04:53] <dust> lotuspsychje, k added
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> dust: ok, thank you that looks pretty usefull
[04:54] <dust> :)
[04:57] <eelstrebor> hmm, it seems that the latest  updates killed my audio - audio works when i reboot to win10 so i know it isn't a hardware issue
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> dust: can you also attach your dmesg to your bug, it might also be relevant
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | dust
[04:58] <eelstrebor> nothing is muted - plus when i open sound settings the audio test doesn't work
[04:59] <eelstrebor> heh, the audio just started working
[04:59] <eelstrebor> goodnight
[05:02] <dust> lotuspsychje, dmesg added to bug
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> dust: thank you!
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> dust: now if you re-ask, attach your bug ID to your question, volunteers might have ideas, or find other users affected for your bug, meanwhile the devs will notice your bug
[05:05] <dust> k
[06:02] <OrcD3vil> Trying to VNC to my pi 4 box, using tightvncserver.  I've created the xstartup file have ubuntu-desktop / xfce4 installed but can't get vnc to work on anything but xfce4, anyone have second to help with how to swap it to ubuntu-desktop using the xstartup file?
[06:06] <matsaman> OrcD3vil: it goes straight to Xfce?
[06:06] <OrcD3vil> yes
[06:07] <OrcD3vil> even if i switch monitor over and manuall select gnome and login, then logout.  I've changed the xstartup file and it just won't load
[06:11] <matsaman> mmm, can you use tigervnc? Never had issues with that one using the X module
[06:12] <OrcD3vil> umm i guess i can try
[06:34] <OrcD3vil> matsaman, so I got tigervnc installed.. shows its running now i'm trying to connect on my windows box and I can't get it to connect at all
[06:35] <OrcD3vil> I can SSH into box.. ufw is not enabled.. I've tried 192.168.1.x and 192.168.1.x:1 "1 for the display" alos tried 192.168.1.x:5901
[06:35] <matsaman> with the tigervnc client?
[06:37] <OrcD3vil> using Real VNC and Ultra VNC on windows
[06:38] <matsaman> might try that tigervnc client
[06:39] <OrcD3vil> it shoudl be able to be used with any client
[06:48] <MonkZ> Hiho, is there a reason that the "lts" alias still points to 18.04 on https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[06:48] <MonkZ> ?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> MonkZ: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-server they might know more about those
[06:51] <guiverc> MonkZ, I don't see a LTS link there, they are listed by code-name, but I'd likely ask on #ubuntu-website if you felt it was in error (or raise a ticket on lp)
[06:52] <MonkZ> guiverc: just run "lxc image list ubuntu-daily: lts" or "lxc image list ubuntu: lts" ;)
[06:53] <MonkZ> i'll ask in #ubuntu-server
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> OrcD3vil: be carefull with the vnc protocol as those are getting hammered 24/7 depending on what you need perhaps consider ssh instead?
[06:56] <OrcD3vil> this is internal not going to expose it outside its on a pi 4 to mess around with nothing serious
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> OrcD3vil: none of the vnc boxes will have internet?
[06:58] <OrcD3vil> they will be on my network so yes they will have access to internet but i won't be port forwarding or giving access to incoming traffic
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> OrcD3vil: still be carefull then, might wanna keep track of portscanning, or try out a different safer protocol
[07:00] <OrcD3vil> if i can't get it to work what does it matter about security? because no one can login if I can't.. which is why i'm asking for hlep lol
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> OrcD3vil: nmap the ip of the box you want to try to connect, see wich ports are open to the outside and check if vnc is running?
[07:03] <OrcD3vil> vnc is running before matsaman told me to switch to tigervnc was using tightvnc and i could connect using xfce4 but i don't want to use that trying to use ubuntu-desktop but it won't load just grey screen.  now i switched to tigervnc I can't get any connection via vnc at all
[07:04] <OrcD3vil> ufw is deactive, and yes vncserver -list shows its listening
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> dust: your bug has been duped
[08:30] <ph88> is there an ssh server installed by default ?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> !info openssh-server
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> optional ph88
[08:31] <ph88> thx
[08:34] <ph88> i have ubuntu in a VM, i can ping this vm but the ssh server refuses connection. What could be the problem ?
[08:44] <aazgh> Hi
[08:44] <aazgh> noob question, hope it doesn't bother you too much
[08:45] <aazgh> I'm trying to downgrade virtualbox on Ubuntu focal
[08:46] <aazgh> the problem that I have is that I don't know the exact names of the versions available on Ubuntu repositories.
[08:46] <aazgh> I want to downgrade to 6.0.4
[08:46] <aazgh> I rand: sudo apt remove virtualbox
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> aazgh: downgrading packages is not how ubuntu works, you need to install the packages available for your ubuntu version, or snaps
[08:46] <aazgh> then ran: sudo apt install virtualbox=6.0.4
[08:47] <aazgh> how do I get a list of all the available versions for a specific software?
[08:47] <aazgh> Like, virtualbox
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> aazgh: apt-cache search keyword
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> aazgh: or snap find keyword
[08:48] <aazgh> Oh :)
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> aazgh: when you found a candidate, apt policy packagename to see version
[08:49] <ducasse> aazgh: try 'apt policy packagename', that will list available versions
[08:55] <aazgh> so when I run "sudo apt install packagename" without specifying a version name, the top option from Version Table in "apt policy" is installed by default?
[08:56] <aazgh> is that correct?
[09:11] <blumpski> aagzh: yes, you can also check which package is the default package with apt-cache search
[09:13] <blumpski> by default the newest version is always installed. that is, the newest version in your cache :) so remember to always apt update
[09:18] <salocin19935> Since today my second monitor is not recognized anymore. I have an Intel UHD 630 Card and i am on Ubuntu 20.04.
[09:19] <salocin19935> I use two identical monitors and they are connected via an displayport to dvi cable to my pc.
[09:19] <salocin19935> Can anyone help?
[09:21] <salocin19935> I use the GNOME DE and Mutter WM if that helps.
[09:23] <salocin19935> By the way under windows 10 both monitors work fine...
[09:49] <salocin1993> My Second Monitor is not recognized anymore. Yesterday it worked fine. I am on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have an Intel UHD Graphics 630 Card and both monitors are the same model and are connected via displayport to dvi. Can anyone help me?
[09:50] <xtuh> Hi, cant find how to autoconnect openvpn (as client) on startup. i have a /etc/openvpn/client.vpn.conf r--, i have edited /etc/default/openvpn and uncommented AUTOCONNECT="all", but it doesnt connecting on the openvpn service stop/start
[09:56] <Schnabeltierchen> xtuh:  i´ve set up my openvpn clients with https://azetinetworks.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/SC13/pages/106496011/OpenVPN+Client+on+Ubuntu+16.04
[10:03] <xtuh> Schnabeltierchen: thanks, solved
[10:03] <Schnabeltierchen> glas to help :)
[10:23] <arthurb> test
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:47] <nukeu666> I have booted via rescue USB and need to remove a service on startup. How do I do that after mounting the partition?
[11:48] <Armageddon> nukeu666, you chroot and systemctl disable or remove the symlink of the service
[11:48] <Armageddon> I can't remember where systemd symlinks its enabled daemons but it shouldn't be too hard to find
[11:49] <nukeu666> Armageddon: i don't see that service's symlink in rcX.d folders, is it elsewhere?
[11:51] <Armageddon> what I can see is `/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants`
[11:52] <Armageddon> rcX.d if I remember correctly was sysvinit or whatever came before systemd, if I'm not mistaken someone might correct me
[12:07] <EriC^^> nukeu666: you can chroot in and use systemctl
[12:08] <EriC^^> nukeu666: http://pchelp.youtubextras.com/topics/how-to-setup-a-chroot
[12:09] <nukeu666> Armageddon: EriC^^ : thanks, that worked. also to fsck the partition,, i should unmount it then fsck /dev/sdaX right?
[12:09] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:33] <ubone> can i redo the certs for postfix and/or dovecot ? my hostname was wrong
[12:45] <nukeu666> one of my office people is getting these failed conditions during bootup - https://imgur.com/a/bb7Y3qA
[12:45] <nukeu666> i hoped removing the last thing installed would fix it but nope
[12:46] <nukeu666> networkd, gpu-manager, iio sensor, disk manager...all fail to start
[12:48] <kontra2> wine is not working in rpi4 version
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> nukeu666: whats the ubuntu version please?
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> !details | kontra2
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> ubone: ubuntu server?
[12:50] <nukeu666> lotuspsychje: let me get him to boot from rescue and check lsb-release
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> nukeu666: while you there, do uname -a also plz
[12:53] <kontra2> lotuspsychje: I am using desktopify latest version of ubuntu mate desktop
[12:53] <kontra2> pardon me iam a noob
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> kontra2: can you elaborate what happens when you start a wine program? did wine installation complete without errors?
[12:55] <kontra2> no wine installation is not completed, I cancelled the installation
[12:55] <kontra2> and I can't remove it also
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> kontra2: you canceled why?
[12:57] <kontra2> it is taking too long like 20 minutes
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> kontra2: open a terminal and: sudo apt purge wine, then pastebin the results please
[13:00] <Assid> heya
 yes
[13:00] <ubone> 1804
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> ubone: try the #ubuntu-server channel
[13:01] <Assid> so i was updating an disco based into.. to the latest updates.. before i had it swithc over to focal..
[13:02] <nukeu666> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 5.3.0-28-generic #30-18.04.1-ubuntu SMP ...... x84_64. distro is 18.04.3 lts
[13:03] <Assid> so now .. it doesnt dual boot anymore
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> nukeu666: try to update system first, goto recoverymode with rootshell and networking on, and sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:07] <Assid> if i manage to get to the ubuntu boot manager .. it doesnt boot
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> Assid: disco is eol
[13:08] <nukeu666> lotuspsychje: on recovery mode, it hangs after 'started d-bus system message bus', nothing happens after that
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> nukeu666: hmm that doesnt sound too good, what about a tty at boot?
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> !tty | nukeu666
[13:11] <nukeu666> lotuspsychje: boot never finishes in normal/recovery/single mode, hangs after dbus line. Should i tell to reinstall ubuntu on top with his recovery usb?
[13:12] <kontra2> lotuspsychje: paste.ubuntu.com/p/WsjhH47HsC/
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> nukeu666: well if you cant boot, cant tty and cant recovery...maybe rescue things with a chroot?
[13:13] <nukeu666> lotuspsychje: recovery menu pops up a list - filesystem state:readonly, with only option 'resume- normal boot'
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> kontra2: you said you could not uninstall wine, but it wasnt installed?
[13:14] <nukeu666> lotuspsychje: after booting from recovery and chrooting to sda1, what else can he try?
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> kontra2: do the same for install now, sudo apt install wine
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> nukeu666: another option could be installing 18.04 or 20.04 over your existing install and try to preserve your /home at partitioning
[13:15] <kontra2> lotuspsychje: ok
[13:15] <Assid> lotuspsychje: i know.. thats why i was doing an update  so i could move it over
[13:16] <Assid> but now .. it no longer shows up as a boot option.. , goes straight into windows
[13:16] <Assid> lotuspsychje: you need to do an update before you do a release update
done
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> Assid: disco is eol, means no support anymore
[13:18] <Assid> lotuspsychje: i understand that.. but it shouldnt turn suicidal and killl the boot loader right
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> Assid: when an ubuntu version turns eol, weird things can happen
[13:20] <Assid> alrite.. so how do i get this started ?
[13:22] <Assid> wifeys gonna kick my ass.. i told her i;d update it for her :/
[13:24] <Assid> lotuspsychje: can you
[13:24] <Assid> can i upgrade with a usb disk without it reformatting / wipe /
[13:26] <kontra2> lotuspsychje: how to launch it
[13:27] <Orcs53_> Hi everybody! I have asked this question twice earlier in #ubuntu-server, and had not response. I am still keen to here back, if anybody here can help. I have a question regarding configuring a simple routing firewall. I plan to use Ubuntu Server 20.04, and ufw, and I have found a good example for the configuration (see "Full example" in
[13:27] <Orcs53_> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/ufw-framework.8.html). However, in this example, it is mentioned "Your firewall will undoubtedly want to be less open.". I would like if someone could discuss any further steps for hardening the configuration seen in this approach. Thanks!
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> kontra2: wine isnt really a program to launch, but a sort of emulator for windows programs, so choose a windows .exe to launch with wine
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> !crosspost | Orcs53_
[13:30] <Orcs53_> ubottu Thank you I will note when seeking help in the future.
[13:33] <Armageddon> Orcs53_, I would assume by less open they mean start by a blocking firewall and open only what you need ;)
[13:33] <Armageddon> firewall policy that is
[13:38] <Orcs53_> ubottu Oh ha ha
[13:40] <legreffier> Orcs53_: it's hard to answer you on this with this little information.
[13:40] <Orcs53_> Armageddon That what I assumed, but when reading into the example, that is what it is. Blocks all incoming on external WAN, forwards port 80. And also restricts administration access via SSH to a single administrative workstation on the internal LAN.
[13:41] <legreffier> sounds tighter than a lot of environment !
[13:42] <Orcs53_> But they still mention in the documentation, specifically in the example "Your firewall will undoubtedly want to be less open.".
[13:42] <legreffier> Orcs53_: depends on what environment you're working on...
[13:44] <legreffier> you probably will want to authorize only a few well-known IPs for ssh service.
[13:44] <legreffier> if it's going to be a production service, outwards connections should be filtered too.
[13:46] <Schnabeltierchen> Does ufw got an seperate support channel or may i ask questions about ufw with ubuntu 18.04 here?
[13:46] <Armageddon> Orcs53_, I get your confusion, it gave me a chuckle well they are covering all their basis I guess :) a good engineer always does that
[14:38] <Holiday> so I did some debugging with the help on a kind user in #cloud-init, and it lead me to an interesting observation. On 18.04, my cloud-init runs at boot on every boot just fine, on a system that hasn't been updated in a bit. But as soon as I did an 'apt update; apt upgrade', the 18.04 system is acting just like my 20.04 where cloud-init is not running on boot and 'systemctl list-units | grep cloud' no longer return any unit names
[14:38] <Holiday> part of what apt updated was systemd so I'm wondering if there isn't something being borked there, and not by the apt upgrade process its self but with the newer version of systemd as I didn't upgrade the 20.04 as far as I can remember after doing the apt install cloud-init
[14:41] <Blakeanator400> Hey everyone, I am having an issue with my sound. I have logitech G560 speakers. I get no sound output while using Ubuntu. However when I use Win10 I have no problems. Any help would be appreciated.
[14:43] <ph88> how can i let tigervnc run at startup ?
[14:43] <juliandroske> create a service and enable it
[14:47] <Orcs53_> legreffier I agree, thank you that is helpful.
[14:49] <Orcs53_> Schnabeltierchen I looked for a channel for ufw but could not find one.
[14:50] <Schnabeltierchen> same here ...
[14:50] <ph88> juliandroske, should i write a service file manually ?
[14:52] <juliandroske> you can make a copy from another .service and edit it to run vnc
[14:55] <ph88> ok
[14:56] <juliandroske> [Unit]
[14:56] <juliandroske> Description=TigerVnc
[14:56] <juliandroske> [Service]
[14:56] <juliandroske> ExecStart=PATH/TO/YOUR/BINARY/FILE ARGS
[14:57] <juliandroske> And you can use 'which tigervnc' to get the path, commonly at /usr/bin/
[15:03] <rangergord> what can explain a module (w83627ehf) listed at the end of /etc/modules not being loaded on system startup...but after I log in if I do "sudo modprobe w83627ehf" then it loads fine.
[15:03] <Orcs53_> Armageddon Ha ha! When I read the example it seemed complete. So when the author mentioned "less open", I was interested in what more could be done to achieve this less open state.
[15:06] <genii> rangergord: Each module name there should be on it's own line, also good to add a carriage return after the name of the last module listed
[15:06] <martiansoul> I have a server. I was assigned this server with docker preinstalled.
[15:06] <martiansoul> but I can only run docker commands as root user.
[15:06] <martiansoul> how is that possible?
[15:07] <martiansoul> when i try to run a docker command as non-root, it shows - `Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker daemon socket `
[15:07] <genii> rangergord: Other possibilities are that's in the blackilsted modules list, or that it's actually being loaded at boot, but then discarded if no devices are found which actually use it
[15:09] <martiansoul> any ideas about the docker issue?
[15:10] <frad> I ran 'ocrfeeder' on my terminal. The gui loaded. I tried to load a pdf file, but nothing happens. THis is xubuntu 20.04 and ocrfeeder 0.8.2. Am I forgetting something?
[15:26] <frad> what am I doing wrong? Installing the latest available ocrfeeder from tar.gz (0.8.3) I get: make[1]: *** [Makefile:521: all] Error 1     make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/Compiled/ocrfeeder-0.8.3/bin'      make: *** [Makefile:386: all-recursive] Error 1
[15:47] <leftyfb> frad: is there a reason the 8.1 available in ubuntu isn't good enough for you?
[15:48] <nbusrone> Anyone know any application or command which can check how many times internet get disconnect ? or log my ip if get change ?
[15:54] <leftyfb> nbusrone: you could easily write a shell script to monitor things
[15:55] <leftyfb> nbusrone: though there are scripts to update services like dyndns that monitor a WAN ip change
[15:56] <frad> leftyfb, working with pdf files with text. Sometimes the creator od the pdf file left the text as text, so I can copy it with okular. But on other occasions the author decided to simply scan a book and save the scanning as pdf. each page is a picture. When this happens, my actual ocrfeeder does not even open the pdf file. I have resorted to save each single pdf file as a png file and work from there, bu it is very time consumming
[15:56] <nbusrone> leftyfb : ok , will check for that .I though there are ready application for network monitoring.
[15:56] <leftyfb> frad: you still didn't answer the question
[15:57] <frad> pdf files are not recognized leftyfb
[15:58] <leftyfb> frad: did that functionality change between 8.1 and 8.2 or 8.3?
[15:59] <frad> leftyfb, last time I used ocrfeeder 4 months ago it worked. don't remember ocrfeeders version
[15:59] <leftyfb> frad: how did you install ocrfeeder 4 months ago?
[16:00] <frad> synaptic
[16:00] <leftyfb> frad: ok, then there's no reason to compile your own. Stick with the 8.1 version available in ubuntu
[16:03] <frad> any idea why ocrfeeder stopped working with pdfs leftyfb ?
[16:04] <leftyfb> frad: what changed in the last 4 months? Did you try it on a document that worked before?
[16:08] <rangergord> genii, sorry for not replying, delivery guy arrived. I had already inserted a newline at the end of /etc/modules. I also grepped /etc/modprobe.d (which is full of blacklists) for that module, it's not there. So that leaves your 3rd possibility.
[16:09] <rangergord> that's beyond me. I'll see if loading the module in a basic bash script ("modprobe w83627ehf") works
[16:21] <Assid> bah.. i should have jusr backed up everything she had on this.. and done a fresh install.. and gone zfs .. big mistake
[16:21] <frad> what does this terminal message mean? (ocrfeeder:18617): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 18:20:36.654: gtk_widget_realize: assertion 'widget->priv->anchored || GTK_IS_INVISIBLE (widget)' failed
[16:21] <grant_> what tools can I use to monitor where apt installs packages? can I sandbox apt?
[16:22] <grant_> frad: are you making a gtk program?
[16:22] <frad> no grant_ ,im trying using ocrfeeder to extract text from pdf files, but not a single pdf file is recognized as such
[16:23] <leftyfb> grant_: /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/* contain logs of package installations
[16:23] <grant_> leftyfb: thanks
[16:23] <leftyfb> grant_: why do you think you need to "sandbox" apt?
[16:23] <grant_> not sandbox as in chroot persay
[16:23] <leftyfb> grant_: why?
[16:25] <p1kalyan> any  Java Developers here ?
[16:25] <grant_> was thinking of getting a way to figure out the differences some how between the sandboxed enviroment and the regular enviroment
[16:25] <grant_> p1kalyan: sure, dunno how much expertise you want though
[16:25] <martiansoul> p1kalyan, there is a #java channel as well.
[16:26] <grant_> that channel is suspect tho
[16:26] <p1kalyan> i want to connect mysql server from Eclipse in Ubuntu 20.04 can anyone help me ?
[16:26] <grant_> frad: glimagereader is pretty good
[16:27] <leftyfb> pikapika: wrong channel. Try a java help channel
[16:27] <frad> .! glimagereader
[16:27] <rangergord> grant_, there's some apt command you can see to look at what files a package installs. I prefer the 3rd party apt-file ("apt-file list atop" for example) because it also works on non-installed packages
[16:27] <frad> .i glimagereader
[16:27] <grant_> plus that's an eclipse question ;)
[16:27] <frad> will glimagereader read pdf files grant_ ?
[16:27] <leftyfb> frad: try google
[16:28] <p1kalyan> ok do anyone know how to install Oracle Database in Ubuntu 20.04 ?
[16:28] <leftyfb> p1kalyan: since it's a commercial product, you'll have to contact Oracle.
[16:28] <grant_> leftyfb: what I really wanted to do was be able to go back to an enviroment before some apt installtions
[16:28] <p1kalyan> so what i can  get from here ?
[16:28] <grant_> rangergord: thanks
[16:29] <leftyfb> p1kalyan: This is a support channel for Ubuntu and it's use and packages. Not for 3rd party commercial products or how to develop
[16:30] <rhoks86> Hey guys, my gui updater updated by itself after I was procrastinating on it or whatever... But then again I procrastinated on it when it asked for password to install/remove something and the screen went to sleep and now its frozen... What do I do?Is there a way of restarted the desktop environment while still maintaining all the open programs and
[16:30] <rhoks86> stuff?
[16:30] <grant_> say you have ubuntu paid support, can you request a system configured for a posix target?
[16:31] <DArqueBishop> p1kalyan: it should be pointed out that last I checked, Ubuntu is not a supported operating system for Oracle Database.
[16:31] <leftyfb> grant_: contact Canonical for paid support questions
[16:31] <grant_> ok, cheers
[16:32] <p1kalyan> ok do we have multiple login option like in windows 10, we have multiple signing options like login with pin,picture,microsoft account, and windows Hello etc. whats the option in Ubuntu ?
[16:32] <grant_> depends on the login manager, which is usually a password, some have fingerprint reader support tho
[16:32] <grant_> peace!
[16:33] <rhoks86> fine I logged in via another session and rebooted anyway
[16:34] <p1kalyan> does really Ubuntu need a anti virus ?
[16:34] <leftyfb> p1kalyan: not really, no
[16:34] <M_aD> no
[16:35] <LinStatSDR> Probably not.
[16:35] <M_aD> p1kalyan: https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/security.html#ID1.1
[16:36] <DArqueBishop> Does Ubuntu by itself require antivirus? Probably not.
[16:37] <LinStatSDR> Probably not.
[16:37] <p1kalyan> like windows have vulnerability to exploit users data and access to the computer with meterpreter program, like ubuntu also have some bash script which is generated by Evasion or Veil Frame work so how Ubuntu will detect some malicious codes to gain access to our computer ?
[16:37] <LinStatSDR> Key word, probably.
[16:37] <DArqueBishop> However, certain compliance regulations may require you to install it anyway.
[16:37] <LinStatSDR> Anything is dangerious if you agree to let it run.
[16:37] <LinStatSDR> :)
[16:37] <LinStatSDR> Could be dangerous?*
[16:37] <M_aD> p1kalyan: read the article i posted a link to
[16:38] <leftyfb> p1kalyan: please feel free to chat about Ubuntu in #ubuntu-offtopic . If you have support issues with Ubuntu, please detail any symptoms or error logs here
[16:46] <p1kalyan> leftyfb: i have been using Ubuntu from 20.04 version release so i have some doubts to know about it. now my host operating system is Ubuntu so, i want to know as much as possible or please suggest me where i can learn everything about Ubuntu or suggest me any websites,forums, or Tutorials site please...
[16:47] <leftyfb> p1kalyan: wiki.ubuntu.com
[16:47] <leftyfb> p1kalyan: otherwise, google
[16:49] <p1kalyan> M_aD: ok, that's good but if want to run some windows application and that is not available in Ubuntu then how can we use that software ? in Ubuntu if there is no alternative in Ubuntu ? instead of wine or PlayonLinux...
[16:49] <bumblefuzz> I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to recognize one of my mouse buttons
[16:49] <bumblefuzz> I'm using a Corsair M65 mouse
[16:49] <bumblefuzz> I've tried 'xev | grep button' and nothing registers
[16:50] <bumblefuzz> ...for the particular button
[16:50] <bumblefuzz> I'm not sure how to get ubuntu to recognize it
[16:50] <M_aD> p1kalyan: search, search, search... that's what i did when i started back in 2007 with Ubuntu 7.04. And if users still want windows apps they should either stick with windows, do a dual boot or run windows in a VM
[16:50] <bumblefuzz> ...or why it isn't in the first place
[16:50] <mason> bumblefuzz: Does it show up in xinput?
[16:50] <bumblefuzz> mason, lemme check
[16:51] <bumblefuzz> some stuff shows up
[16:51] <bumblefuzz> again, the mouse works, all the buttons work except for 1
[16:51] <mason> bumblefuzz: Does the mouse work other than that one button? And when you hang over the xev window, do other buttons show up?
[16:51] <bumblefuzz> yes
[16:51] <mason> Right, was just thinking about that.
[16:51] <p1kalyan> M_aD: Thanks :-[
[16:52] <bumblefuzz> it's never been used
[16:52] <bumblefuzz> so, I'm doubtful it's the mouse
[16:52] <ducasse> bumblefuzz: which button is it?
[16:52] <bumblefuzz> one of the thumb buttons
[16:52] <bumblefuzz> there are 3 thumb buttons
[16:53] <bumblefuzz> the other 2 work
[16:53] <ducasse> bumblefuzz: try running xev without the grep to see if it sends some other event
[16:53] <ducasse> bumblefuzz: the thumb buttons on my logitech mouse sends keypress events
[16:54] <bumblefuzz> doesn't show anything without the grep
[16:54] <mason> bumblefuzz: Eh? It should show a lot without a grep.
[16:54] <bumblefuzz> yeah
[16:54] <bumblefuzz> it shows plenty
[16:54] <bumblefuzz> but it's all the mouse movements
[16:54] <mason> Oh, doesn't show the thumb button. Gotcha.
[16:55] <ducasse> maybe the button is broken, can you test it on a windows machine?
[16:56] <M_aD> p1kalyan: people should realize from the start that Linux isn't Windows and vice versa, that things work differently and have to learn to work with open source alternatives of apps.
[16:56] <mason> bumblefuzz: You've probably already read this, but random issues with the same mouse: https://askubuntu.com/questions/943931/cant-click-my-mouse-a-few-minutes-after-boot-on-16-04
[17:04] <p1kalyan> using PPA packages is harmful ?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | p1kalyan
[17:06] <bumblefuzz> ok, here's a new question: why did my network adapter just go offline without any input from me?
[17:06] <bumblefuzz> also, my mouse button still doesn't work
[17:09] <p1kalyan> i switched to Ubuntu in april 2020 after Ubuntu focal 20.04 release when i am using windows my laptop speakers sound output and quality is was very well but i am not getting that much sound in Ubuntu right now do i need to install something. how can i improve my speakers sound output and quality ?
[17:11] <M_aD> p1kalyan: not to sound rude or anything but there's a plethora of info to be found on the web, i bet your question can be answered if you serach in the right places
[17:11] <M_aD> serach/search
[17:12] <M_aD> also look for any bug reports
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> M_aD: users are supposed to ask ubuntu questions here, please dont forward them to a search engine
[17:14] <M_aD> p1kalyan: please don't PM me unwanted. Thanks in advance
[17:16] <M_aD> lotuspsychje: what's the problem? That's what i did back in 2007 when i started with Ubuntu as a newb, search the web first then ask
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> M_aD: feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:17] <M_aD> lotuspsychje: sure
[17:18] <octav1a> Can anyone recommend any backup utility alternative to duplicity to backup to google drive? Duplicity + pydrive ends up getting google api error rate limit exceeded with no suggestions for a fix that I can find.
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !borg | octav1a maybe?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> not sure it does backup to google
[17:25] <bumblefuzz> can someone help me figure out why my network adapter keeps going offline randomly?
[17:25] <bumblefuzz> I found this line in the syslog:
[17:25] <bumblefuzz> Jul 15 13:21:58 archibald NetworkManager[1148]: <info>  [1594833718.5795] device (enp3s0f1): state change: activated -> unavailable (reason 'carrier-changed', sys-iface-state: 'managed')
[17:25] <bumblefuzz> what does carrier changed mean?
[17:27] <bumblefuzz> this has happened twice in less than an hour
[17:33] <neure> hi
[17:33] <neure> how do I setup more swap space?
[17:34] <M_aD> neure: swap partition or the swap file?
[17:36] <M_aD> neure: in case of the swap file: https://askubuntu.com/questions/178712/how-to-increase-swap-space
[17:36] <neure> would swap partition be better than swap file?
[17:36] <neure> I am using nvme drive
[17:36] <M_aD> which ubuntu are you on?
[17:37] <neure> 20.04
[17:38] <neure> when I run vmware it complains I should have at least 4G swap (I have 2G)
[17:38] <M_aD> so it's a swap file that has been created autmatically. You can adjust that as shown in the link above
[17:38] <neure> I would not mind creating a swap partition, if that works any better
[17:39] <M_aD> should be the same
[17:39] <M_aD> i'm not an expert on that kind of thing though
[17:40] <neure> ok I'll just use 8G swap file
[18:05] <sarnold> dust: thanks for the bug report :)
[18:10] <Blakeanator400> Hey everyone, I have a problem with my sound(nothin is coming out of my speakers). I have Logitech G560 speakers. I checked my sound settings and under output it is listed. I only come across this problem with Ubuntu.
[18:10] <Xano> Hiya! I installed 20.04, and only had a dummy sound output. This is a known bug, and I upgraded the kernel to 5.4.51. I now have my HDMI output back, but the built-in speakers and headphone jack aren't recognized. `lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel` shows the kernel module is enabled, `lspci -nnk | grep -A2 Audio` shows the audio device and confirms it uses the snd_hda_intel kernel. alsa-base.conf contains `options snd-hda-intel
[18:10] <Xano> model=generic`. At the moment I'm not sure how to continue debugging this.
[18:11] <tomreyn> can you point to the bug report if it's a known bug?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> Xano: and was there a reason you went to -51 kernel version mainline?
[18:15] <Xano> I went to 51 because the issue was reported to be fixed (and the HDMI output showing up seems to confirm that at least partly) and it was the latest 5.4. Wasn't much else to that decision
[18:16] <Xano> I did try a few other `options snd-hda-intel` variations earlier before I upgraded the kernel based on reports from people with similar problems, not sure if that had any lasting effects
[18:16] <Xano> tomreyn, The bug report I found linked by someone else is options snd-hda-intel
[18:16] <Xano> is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem-osp1/+bug/1864061
[18:20] <Xano> I have *not* blacklisted snd_soc_skl because one comment said that after 5.4.43 that was no longer necessary. Not sure how accurate that was
[18:21] <Guest_8> Hi, I have a problem with apt update and DNS. I wonder if someone can help me figure out what's going wrong.
[18:22] <Guest_8> I have to post this on mobile as I can't get my laptop to connect properly
[18:23] <Guest_8> All of the sources are resolving to a single IP which is a page from the ISP about errors. Every source URL is resolving to <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:23] <Guest_8> How can I make apt retry resolving these?
[18:25] <Guest_8> It is not a connection issue as I can get on the web via tor. On the machine
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> Xano: weird, as they say they merged the fix into focal kernel
[18:27] <Guest_8> There was an ISP problem, we have changed the router and two Xboxes on the network to use another DNS server and they are now working fine.
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> Xano: when you boot into 5.4.0-40 you get the dummy?
[18:28] <Xano> I'd have to try. Back in a minute!
[18:31] <Guest_844> I'm guest_8 connection on mobile dropped
[18:39] <Bluecoat> I've got an 18.10 machine that I want to upgrade to 20.04 but don't have physical access to.  The do-release-upgrade tool says it's out of support so it won't auto-update.  What do I miss if I change the dist name in my apt list and dist-upgrade that way?
[18:45] <sarnold> Bluecoat: you'll probably have better success to change your apt sources lines to use old-releases.ubuntu.com
[18:45] <sarnold> Bluecoat: this page is really old but probably not horrible https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[18:48] <Bluecoat> sarnold: I'll give that a try.  Thanks!
[18:52] <Bluecoat> sarnold: hm, looks like I may have done that at some previous date since my source lines were already changed.  Still no dice on do-release-upgrade; can't go cosmic->eoan.
[18:55] <Bluecoat> sarnold: I think I found how to trick it to upgrade to 19.04, which should let me use the normal upgrade path.
[18:56] <sarnold> Bluecoat: yeah you've got to go cosmic, disco, eoan, focal
[19:05] <Bluecoat> that got it!
[19:07] <sarnold> Bluecoat: nice nice :)
[19:08] <Xano> Back with my sound problem! Tried booting into an older kernel but apparently ESC does not get me into the Grub menu, so I booted back into 20.04 to do some more reading, only to find out that not only my HDMI output, but also the built-speakers and headphone jack were recognized again! However, the sound cracked a bit, so I shut down the machine and booted again, and all three sound outputs were gone, and the dummy output was back
[19:08] <Xano> again.
[19:09] <TJ-> Xano: have you investigated ACPI and the acpi_osi workaround? sounds like a firmware issue to me
[19:10] <Xano> So we're talking about a machine I've owned for years, and that I only recently upgraded from 18.10 to 20.04, and I've never had any of these problems before
[19:10] <Xano> TJ-, So that seems to rule out a firmware issue?
[19:11] <TJ-> Xano: no, since as the kernel evolves it more strictly implements the ACPI specs so things that did work on older kernels fail to work on newer - basically bugs in firmware that the kernel used to be lenient about it no longer accomodates
[19:13] <TJ-> Xano: firmware ACPI usually depends on thinking a version of Windows is running and depending on the version enables/configures things differently. When the OS is Linux it will often not fully configure things so acpi_osi= can be used to make Linux say it is the version of Windows the firmware claims to best support, which often solves weird issues like this. See
[19:13] <TJ-> https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:19] <dwigton> Ubuntu software in 20.04 has been broken almost since I installed the OS. When I click on a category or search it shows no results. Is there a log for the software center?
[19:20] <dwigton> Synaptic and apt work fine.
[19:20] <TJ-> dwigton: sounds like a cache bug; there were reports of something like that a while back. Clearing the cache usually solved it
[19:20] <TJ-> dwigton: cache in ubuntu/gnome software application, under $HOME/.cache/ somewhere I believe
[19:23] <dwigton> TJ-: Hmm, thanks. nothing in .cache looks likely but I'll dig a bit.
[19:23] <Xano> TJ-, so you mean the workaround from your site or from the original Ubuntu bug report?
[19:24] <Xano> Rebooted twice more, and am getting really inconsistent behavior, with sound outputs showing up only some of the time
[19:24] <dwigton> But should be safe to just nuke ~/.cache/* without too many reprisals? loss of some browsing history?
[19:25] <TJ-> Xano: that does sound like typical ACPI issues where repeated cold/warm boots/restarts and/or suspend/resumes do different things
[19:26] <TJ-> Xano: the workaround is to add the appropriate "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" to the kernel command line and test. It's easy to do and don't lose anything by trying it
[19:26] <TJ-> Xano: incidentially it often improves hidden things like battery life
[20:24] <nichlas> I've just installed Ubuntu 8.05 on a box I had with nothing better to do.. wow I miss those times.
[20:27] <nichlas> 8.04 of course...
[20:32] <leftyfb> nichlas: Ubuntu 8.04 has been unsupported for 7 years
[20:32] <nichlas> You don't say :)
[20:32] <Kali_Yuga> I got an Iphone laying around here I tried to get some images off of it, I used Ifuse before but now it tells me my mount point ls: cannot access '.iphone': Input/output error
[20:33] <Kali_Yuga> I also can't delete it rm: cannot remove '.iphone': Input/output error
[20:34] <tf9205> What's Everyone's Opinions of 20.04?
[20:34] <Kali_Yuga> anybody knows anything about Ifuse? and why that folder is locked up now and why I can't access or delete it?
[20:34] <Kali_Yuga> it's in my home folder
[20:35] <nichlas> tf9205: haven't talked to Everyone in a long time. But personally I think it's slower than 8.04
[20:36] <tomreyn> !discuss | nichlas
[20:38] <nichlas> tomreyn: thanks
[20:46] <Kali_Yuga> I don't know, I deleted Ifuse, still wouldn't work, so I restarted afterwards, now I was able to remove the folder without input/output error
[21:23] <GreyArea> Hi folks, just gone back to a Ubuntu machine and now after login the system grinds to a halt and is completely unresponsive.  I've managed to trace the cpu hog to tracker-extract and tracker-miner-...
[21:23] <GreyArea> How can I disable them, they seem to be some sort of indexing process.
[21:23] <GreyArea> 22:23 < GreyArea> Hi folks, just gone back to a Ubuntu machine and now after login the system grinds to a halt and is completely unresponsive.  I've
[21:23] <GreyArea> oops
[21:54] <xbfrog> i have deleted seahorse which holds i'm guessing the keyring, and i'm still getting prompts to athenticate, any fix? or did i overlook something?
[21:54] <xbfrog> ubuntu 20.04 lts gnome
[21:56] <Jordan_U> xbfrog: When are you getting prompts to authenticate? And what are you being prompted to authenticate to?
[21:58] <xbfrog> i dunno, it appeared after starting firefox, and a game of tetris, seems odd
[21:58] <xbfrog> doesn't seem regular
[21:59] <xbfrog> but it does say the "logon authentication did not recieve the needed logon
[22:00] <xbfrog> but however it did not stop the reboot
[22:00] <xbfrog> and never asked for logon
[22:01] <xbfrog> just seems odd behavior
[22:12] <Jordan_U> xbfrog: My guess would be that network-manager is trying to autoconnect to a wireless network.
[22:12] <xbfrog> ok
[22:12] <xbfrog> i have a good connection but ok
[22:13] <xbfrog> maybe in network manager rather than the actuall connection?
[22:14] <xbfrog> i'll wait for the next message
[22:16] <jrgilman> hey there, hoping to get some help with my audio issue. I thought I figured out what was causing it but that doesn't seem to be the answer (seemed to happen if my CPU throttled). I'm wondering if this is related to another issue I was having a while back where my audio would randomly get extremely crackly.
[22:17] <jrgilman> pusleaudio doesn't report any kind of errors to syslog, i do notice it tends to happen when using applications that are using my microphone more often, but it does happen when not using the mic also
[22:20] <Scriptonaut> hey all, I have zoom installed on ubuntu 19.10. It was working great, then randomly a few days ago it started crashing when I start it. I've purged and reinstalled it several times, both from zoom's official .deb as well as from the apt repo. I start it, a window pops up, then it crashes before it can fully start. I can't find anything on this issue online, wondering if someone could help me diagnose a
[22:20] <Scriptonaut> nd/or fix the issue
[22:22] <zugaaz> hello
[22:23] <Scriptonaut> the stdout gives me: Failed to create OpenGL context for format QSurfaceFormat... I haven't upgraded recently, so unless nvidia or something is doing upgrades automatically I'm not sure what would have changed with that
[22:25] <zugaaz> I just had a snapd update, and now none of my snap programs will start
[22:25] <zugaaz> Has this happened to anyone?
[22:26] <Scriptonaut> I had something where I installed a new snap package, and then all of my snap binaries stopped working and instead they ran terraform (another snap package I had)
[22:26] <Scriptonaut> so I'd type: "cloud auth list" or something, and it would show me the terraform menu
[22:26] <zugaaz> The software updater just showed me the update
[22:27] <zugaaz> and I clicked update
[22:27] <Scriptonaut> I fixed it by removing the binaries for all of them and reinstalling
[22:27] <zugaaz> Now nohting snap will work
[22:27] <zugaaz> Should I uninstall snapd and reinstall?
[22:29] <kostkon> zugaaz, installed the snapd update, started skype, loads fine.
[22:30] <zugaaz> huh, that's interesting
[22:30] <kostkon> zugaaz, sorry i meant spotify not skype. same difference. both are snaps
[22:30] <zugaaz> I have chromium, spotify, brave
[22:30] <zugaaz> none of them work
[22:30] <zugaaz> slack
[22:32] <Jordan_U> Scriptonaut: Just to be sure, please "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" and see what updates are available. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1179324/zoom-fails-to-launch-results-in-a-core-dump-and-memory-corruption-exit-code-13 is a similar error caused by a driver / library mismatch.
[22:37] <Scriptonaut> Jordan_U: I upgraded. Now my browser font is tiny and looks monospaced lol
[22:37] <Scriptonaut> I also rebooted
[22:37] <Scriptonaut> I've had this happen on ubuntu before I don't remember what I did to fix it
[22:37] <zugaaz> If I uninstall snapd and reinstall
[22:37] <zugaaz> will I lose all my snap programs
[22:37] <zugaaz> or will they still be ther?
[22:39] <Scriptonaut> good news is that fixed zoom
[23:09] <oscurochu> i just got a new processor and motherboard, trying to install ubuntu. the only disk appearng in ubuntu is thu flash drive the iso is on, although both my ssd and flash drive show up in my bios. i have the asus z490m plus
[23:10] <oscurochu> and my windows hdd boots without issue
[23:14] <TheFu> AHCI mode for disks in the bios?
[23:14] <oscurochu> the same ssd that doesnt show up already has debian installed, but it won't boot because the initramfs can't locate the disk, which is why i wanted to try installin ubuntu for hopefully newer drivers
[23:14] <oscurochu> ill try to check
[23:17] <oscurochu> i dont know where that setting could be...
[23:20] <kevr> I just upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04. I can no longer pair properly with my bluetooth headphones via blueman. I can pair with it, but it no longer gives me "Headset," "Audio Sink," or "Hands Free" option during setup. The only thing there now is "Serial Port"
[23:21] <kevr> Without the proper setting, like Headset or Audio Sink, the headphones don't connect
[23:23] <oscurochu> thanks, it boots just fine now
[23:23] <oscurochu> except now i have to prevent my nvidia drivers from loading and instead use intel onboard gfx
[23:26] <kevr> Interesting.. it worked fine if i did it manually with bluetoothctl, but not with blueman


[05:00] <pitti> Good morning
[05:08] <didrocks> morning
[05:09] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:09] <didrocks> hey pitti ;)
[05:11] <didrocks> Mirv: hey, around?
[05:13] <jibel> good morning
[05:14] <jibel> bonjour pitti et didrocks
[05:14] <pitti> bonjour jibel, comment vas-tu ?
[05:14] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[05:15] <jibel> pitti, démarrage matinal pour moi mais ça va bien, et toi ?
[05:15]  * didrocks tired, finished after 23h yesterday and continuing this morning to fix what's people should fix :(
[05:16] <pitti> jibel: je vais bien aussi; nous avons de soleil à nouveau \o/
[05:16] <pitti> didrocks: :/
[05:20] <jibel> didrocks, everything failed on saucy with wrong dependencies excepted oif which failed with a crash in autopilot ImportError: cannot import name get_compiz_option
[05:20] <jibel> :(
[05:20] <didrocks> jibel: yeah, I fixed libhud1 -> libhud2, now ensuring libunity installs the right files
[05:20] <didrocks> in saucy
[05:20] <didrocks> (due to python 3.3 using site-packages and not dist-packages and not cleaning __pycache__ dir)
[05:21] <didrocks> jibel: not sure for oif though, I would say that we need to use the whole ppa, so unity stack components
[05:21] <didrocks> jibel: but as we don't support "check with whole ppa" yet…
[05:22] <didrocks> jibel: it's taking unity-autopilot from latest trunk and run against an older autopilot
[05:22] <pitti> didrocks: hang on, dist-packages -> site-packages
[05:22] <didrocks> oupss
[05:22] <didrocks> I meant, unity
[05:22] <pitti> didrocks: I recently ran into this as well
[05:22] <didrocks> pitti: right
[05:22] <pitti> apparently some default in automake changed
[05:22] <pitti> debian bug 707139
[05:22] <didrocks> do you know how to fix it properly?
[05:22] <ubot2> Debian bug 707139 in src:dbus-python "dbus-python: FTBFS: mv: `debian/tmp/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/_dbus_bindings.so' and `debian/tmp/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/_dbus_bindings.so' are the same file" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/707139
[05:23] <pitti> non, pas lequel
[05:23] <pitti> didrocks: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-utopia/dbus-python.git;a=commitdiff;h=16e13c75da71b155dd44eab69fe297c5030a0190
[05:23] <didrocks> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/141666421/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.libunity_7.0.1daily13.06.04-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz for instance
[05:23] <pitti> that's how Simon fixed it
[05:23] <Mirv> didrocks: hello
[05:24] <pitti> it's a bit silly, though
[05:24] <didrocks> hey Mirv! I think I'll need a hand today on getting everything landed in Saucy, do you have some time?
[05:24]  * didrocks looks
[05:24] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, not sure I really like it. Shouldn't it be rather fixed in our automake integration?
[05:24] <Mirv> didrocks: I can make some
[05:24] <pitti> didrocks: but anyway, wanting to point out the new automake
[05:25] <pitti> didrocks: TBH I haven't looked deeply into this, not sure where to fix it best; maybe dh_auto_configure would be good
[05:25] <didrocks> Mirv: thanks! 2 things: if you look at the indicator stack, libcolumbus is ignored (a changelog should be missing I guess). And second on: if you look at the QA stack, xpathselect is failing
[05:25] <didrocks> Mirv: mind looking at those?
[05:26] <Mirv> didrocks: ok, looking
[05:26] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, having a look, I merged dee yesterday, going quick having the override in dist-packages/ for now
[05:26] <didrocks> pitti: not sure it will work though…
[05:27] <didrocks> having to remove __pycache__ dirs on fail-missing it's fun though :p
[05:30] <pitti> didrocks: dh_install -X.pyc --fail-missing
[05:31] <didrocks> pitti: oh right, I always forgot -X, thanks! one sec
[05:31] <pitti> (you can do more, like -X.a -X.la -X.pyc)
[05:34] <didrocks> Mirv: pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/libunity/removepycache/+merge/167451 looks better indeed :)
[05:34] <didrocks> Mirv: mind approving?
[05:35] <pitti> can't say, depends on whether the .install files actually ensure to not install any *.pyc, etc.
[05:54] <Mirv> no such files get installed via the libunity .install files
[05:54] <Mirv> approved
[05:56] <didrocks> Mirv: thanks!
[06:01] <Mirv> didrocks: libcolumbus shouldn't be in the indicators stack at all, as it's already actively built in the hud stack. should it get hidden somehow from the indicators stack, or will it remain visible there since it used to reside there in March?
[06:01] <didrocks> Mirv: oh, you mean, it's in 2 stacks?
[06:02] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, although only in jenkins, in configuration it's only in hud
[06:02] <didrocks> Mirv: I only see it in the hud stack
[06:02] <didrocks> Mirv: I think the rest is a job that wasn't removed
[06:02] <didrocks> Mirv: let me remove it (it's only the presentation layer, wasn't triggered)
[06:03] <Mirv> didrocks: ok, thanks
[06:03] <didrocks> Mirv: ah same for ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[06:03] <didrocks> Mirv: seems there is a missing changelog in trunk
[06:03] <didrocks> Mirv: while taking the changelog, need to ensure as well that the commit is indeed in trunk :)
[06:03] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, for ubuntu-ui-toolkit there probably is missing/wrong changelog
[06:04] <Mirv> ok
[06:04] <didrocks> Mirv: ok, for libcolumbus/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, ping me with the branches, I'll rereview :)
[06:04]  * didrocks continues in making the package lists correct
[06:17] <Mirv> didrocks: the libcolumbus changelog entry was added 10h ago by cyphermox (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libcolumbus/trunk/revision/448). but the prepare stage stays at unstable (Build step 'Publish JUnit test result report' changed build result to UNSTABLE) and it doesn't get built then at the build phase
[06:17] <didrocks> Mirv: hum, no, he didn't backport the right one
[06:18] <didrocks> Mirv: A version (0.4.0daily13.04.16~13.04-0ubuntu2) is available at the destination
[06:18] <didrocks> from http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/HUD/job/cu2d-hud-head-1.1prepare-libcolumbus/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/prepare_libcolumbus.xml
[06:18] <didrocks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libcolumbus/trunk/revision/448 says 0.4.0daily13.04.16~13.04-0ubuntu1
[06:20] <Mirv> right, fixing
[06:22] <Mirv> there was a no change rebuild it seems
[06:23] <didrocks> so, just backport the commit
[06:23] <didrocks> in trunk, let's approve it and be done :)
[06:23] <didrocks> (then, the sdk, which is I think why a lot of failures are happening in the apps tests)
[06:31] <Mirv> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/libcolumbus/another_missing_changelog_entry/+merge/167457 + https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/missing_changelog_entry/+merge/167460
[06:33] <didrocks> Mirv: thanks! xnox: please backport to Vcs for daily release to avoid us hurdles as stated by Vcs-Bzr :/
[06:33] <didrocks> cyphermox: FYI ^ you backported just one changelog, not the 2
[06:33] <didrocks> kenvandine: you are guilty as well :) ^
[06:34] <didrocks> Mirv: approved both, I'll rerun the stacks then, mind looking at xpathselect which seems more a serious FTBFS now?
[06:35] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, that was next
[06:35] <didrocks> thanks again :)
[07:04] <didrocks> sil2100_: good morning!
[07:26] <didrocks> Mirv: good progress on xpathselect?
[07:28] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, now, I had some weird internal compiler errors and kernel oopses, which is unrelated..
[07:28] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:28] <seb128> hey didrocks
[07:28] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:29] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[07:29] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:35] <sabdfl_> hi folks, anyone else seeing evolution spinning out of control?
[07:35] <sabdfl_> on  saucy
[07:36] <Mirv> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/xpathselect/ftbfs_missing_include/+merge/167471
[07:36] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke!
[07:36] <pitti> I got an evo crash report this morning, bug 1154822
[07:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1154822 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "evolution-calendar-factory crashed with SIGABRT in __libc_message()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154822
[07:36] <didrocks> Mirv: ah, a classic issue on toolchain change :)
[07:37] <didrocks> Mirv: as you tested in pbuilder, let me trust you and just ack :)
[07:37] <pitti> (but I didn't actually use evo, that just happened after starting the session)
[07:38] <seb128> pitti, it's the calendar factory, do you have any calendar configured in e-d-s?
[07:39] <Mirv> didrocks: thanks
[07:39] <pitti> seb128: I added google to online accounts, I guess it uses that one?
[07:39] <pitti> seb128: how do I tell?
[07:39]  * pitti doesn't have evolution installed, as we don't do that any more by default
[07:39] <seb128> sabdfl_, hey, that has not been reported yet afaik, maybe Laney/cyphermox knows more about it, Laney did the update and cyphermox keep an eye on evolution when he has spare cycles
[07:40] <pitti> seb128: my date indicator has never shown me pending events at least, although it's on (and grayed out) in the settings
[07:40] <seb128> pitti, do you have any event in the calendar for the google account you added?
[07:40] <pitti> plenty, yes
[07:40] <sabdfl_> as it happens, i have something popping up and asking for credentials
[07:40] <pitti> nothing specific for this morning at 6 o'clock, though
[07:41] <seb128> pitti, well, the next 5 events should show in the indicator
[07:41] <sabdfl_> but it's a weird little window, doesn't say WHAT credentials it wants
[07:41] <pitti> seb128: hm, it never did that for me
[07:41] <seb128> sabdfl_, can you make a screenshot of it?
[07:41] <sabdfl_> i wonder if my online accounts aren't busted, causing evo to go all non-linear
[07:41] <sabdfl_> seb128, sure
[07:41] <seb128> pitti, well, the factory segfaulted, so maybe it doesn't like something
[07:41] <pitti> seb128: perhaps only if one has evolution installed?
[07:42] <seb128> pitti, maybe, but I though that was not needed
[07:42] <pitti> since we kicked out evo, I moved my calendaring to gcal and my mobile mostly, TBH
[07:42] <pitti> so I don't particularly miss it
[07:43] <seb128> still, it should be working
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: in the online accounts -> google I don't see something calendar related about "following applications use your google account", do you have that?
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: just photo search, shotwell, empathy, and gdrive
[07:48] <seb128> pitti, indeed, it's not listed in there for me either
[07:48] <seb128> Laney said it was working for him
[07:48] <pitti> and clicking on "edit settings" doesn't work, just gives me: credentials-cc-panel-CRITICAL **: cc_credentials_accounts_page_on_account_details_page_account_edit_options_request: assertion `plugin != NULL' failed
[07:48] <seb128> but I did ask a red entry for online account after the e-d-s 3.8 update and the dialog asked me if I wanted to give credential to evolution
[08:01] <Laney> hallo
[08:01] <seb128> Laney, hey
[08:02] <Laney> indeed it should work!
[08:02] <Laney> mardy might be a good person to talk to about stuff since he did a lot of the upstream work
[08:02] <pitti> Laney: do you see something calendar-ish in the online accounts setting for your google account?
[08:03] <Laney> pitti: hm, no, it doesn't appear in uoa
[08:03] <Laney> but they do appear in evolution, although now I try they are timing out
[08:05] <seb128> we should maybe discuss it on -devel since mardy is there
[08:06] <Laney> No desktop app info foudn for application name: evolution data server
[08:06] <Laney> perhaps I forgot to install something
[08:11] <seb128> hum
[08:11] <seb128> do you guys also get update-manager aborting on a missing update-notifier key?
[08:12] <pitti> pas ici
[08:12] <seb128> weird
[08:12] <Laney> nope
[08:12] <seb128> pitti, what versions of update-notifier and update-manager do you have?
[08:13] <pitti> update-manager 1:0.186
[08:13] <pitti> update-notifie 0.136
[08:13] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/141652557/update-notifier_0.135_0.136.diff.gz
[08:13] <pitti> saucy du jour
[08:13] <seb128> hum
[08:13] <seb128> auto-launch was dropped and that's what update-manager abort on for me
[08:13] <seb128> (update-manager:9018): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.ubuntu.update-notifier' does not contain a key named 'auto-launch'
[08:14]  * Laney doesn't have that
[08:14]  * Laney updates
[08:14] <seb128> UpdateManager/UpdatesAvailable.py:        auto_launch = self.notifier_settings.get_boolean("auto-launch")
[08:14] <didrocks> Mirv: same issue for indicator-datetime it seems, mind having a look?
[08:14] <seb128> in the current source
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: I started it, then got the long "download indexes", then a dialog "your system is up to date"; maybe I didn't get far enouguh
[08:14] <seb128> pitti, ah, I've pending updates
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, can you downgrade a random package to yesterday's version
[08:15] <seb128> to see if you have an issue when an update is available?
[08:15] <Laney> maybe you've an old update-notifier process
[08:15] <seb128> Laney, the issue is the schemas on disk, the process shouldn't make a difference
[08:16] <seb128> well anyway dropping that key is wrong, I'm doing an upload to restore it
[08:16] <seb128> it doesn't hurt and since gsettings bits when you drop keys...
[08:16] <pitti> downgraded two packages, starting u-m
[08:17] <pitti> update-manager:17440): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.ubuntu.update-notifier' does not contain a key named 'auto-launch'
[08:17] <pitti> seb128: confirmed
[08:17] <seb128> pitti, thanks for confirming ;-)
[08:17] <Mirv> didrocks: ok
[08:21] <xnox> didrocks: which package/project did I misshandle w.r.t. not committing to Vcs?!
[08:21] <didrocks> xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/libcolumbus/another_missing_changelog_entry/+merge/167457
[08:22] <mlankhorst> and I have nouveau nvd7 working without external firmware :-D
[08:27] <xnox> didrocks: right. For boost transition I did upload about 70 similar no change rebuilds, all generated automatically without using any VCS, and actually fully unattended.
[08:27] <xnox> didrocks: i can wish for binary NMUs in launchpad....
[08:27] <didrocks> xnox: yeah, that would be better :)
[08:28] <didrocks> xnox: you do use a script for that? maybe it can warn you about those having vcs-bzr?
[08:28] <didrocks> xnox: just to prevent us discovering it when being in a worry :)
[08:28] <didrocks> hurry*
[08:29] <xnox> didrocks: that would be nice, but there are a lot of Vcs-Bzr that point to non-existing or out-of-date branches. I know that doesn't apply to daily-landing-branches, but it's hard to progmaticaly tell the two apart.
[08:29] <didrocks> xnox: indeed, just a kind warning for next transition, that will help to not wait hours on the D day for the upstream merger to merge a branch
[08:34] <davidcalle> Laney, ping
[08:36] <Laney> hi
[08:37] <Laney> kenvandine: should something be pulling in libaccount-plugin-google?
[08:37] <Laney> davidcalle: what's up?
[08:38] <davidcalle> Laney, hello. I have an issue with gir1.2-ecalendar in Saucy, it doesn't contain any gir file. Do you know about that?
[08:41] <davidcalle> s/gir/typelib
[08:41] <Laney> davidcalle: indeed, seems that's a bug inherited from Debian
[08:41] <Laney> will fwd/fix, thanks
[08:42] <davidcalle> Laney, thanks for the quick reply!
[08:44] <seb128> Laney, list-missing in the build log suggests you don't install translations either, is that a real bug?
[08:44] <seb128> Laney,  it doesn't list any typelib not installed though
[08:45] <Laney> davidcalle: ah, no, it was removed
[08:46] <davidcalle> Laney, removed by mistake or as in we won't have this gir anymore ?
[08:47] <Laney> by upstream; see the changelog
[08:48] <davidcalle> Laney, :'(
[08:49] <Laney> the commit message says that it was never useful anyway
[08:49] <Laney> davidcalle: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2012-December/msg02274.html
[08:53] <davidcalle> Laney, that's odd, I've been using it to access calendar events from evo.
[08:53] <Laney> seb128: looks like that comes after pkgstriptranslations
[08:54] <didrocks> seb128: do you know if indicators-clients was ready? Seems it has a lot of unexpected deps
[08:54] <didrocks> not sure who added it to daily release without checking the deps :/
[08:58] <davidcalle> Laney, would it be too much of a burden adding it back?
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, no idea if it's ready...
[09:01]  * didrocks removes it for now
[09:01] <seb128> Laney, oh, ok, that makes sense I guess
[09:01] <didrocks> cyphermox: I added a task for you
[09:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, does any of you guys (security team) plans to/want to update webkitgtk to a newer version in saucy?
[10:12] <Laney> hmm
[10:14] <Laney> pitti: could dh_translations grow a -X facility?
[10:15] <Laney> I think it makes sense to not have it strip the translations for the glib installed tests
[10:15] <pitti> yes, sure
[10:15] <Laney> excellent
[10:15] <tjaalton> apport on saucy doesn't seem to offer filing new bugs? I send all these errors to 'somewhere' and never get any feedback
[10:15] <Laney> I'll see about that
[10:16] <tjaalton> like g-s-d & notify-osd crashing
[10:16] <pitti> tjaalton: yes, they go to errors.u.c.; we haven't yet re-enabled crashes to LP
[10:16] <tjaalton> ah
[10:17] <pitti> not sure whether/when we should do that again, any opinions?
[10:17] <pitti> we are trying to moving to errors.u.c. being teh primary platform for crashes
[10:19] <tjaalton> so how to find out which bug to follow?
[10:20] <pitti> errors.u.c. has links to existing bugs (but there may not be one)
[10:22] <tjaalton> scaling seems off on e.u.c
[10:26] <Laney> ah, I think dh_translations might actually already have this feature :-)
[10:26]  * Laney tests -Xinstalled-tests
[10:31] <seb128> Laney, pitti: did any of you report the update-manager abort earlier?
[10:32] <Laney> no, thought you were just fixing it
[10:32] <pitti> seb128: not as an LP bug, no
[10:32] <seb128> Laney, right, I'm just trying to figure out if e.u.c reports are accurate, numbers seems too low (see #ubuntu-devel)
[10:32] <Laney> ah
[10:32] <seb128> pitti, and to e.u.c ?
[10:33] <pitti> hm, I cannot remember TBH; I sent off some this morning
[10:33] <Laney> I think I filed some this morning
[10:33] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2013.10&period=day doesn't have it
[10:33] <Laney> but the UI to check isn't good
[10:33] <pitti> but I think these were for evo and qemu
[10:33] <seb128> evo has none there
[10:33] <Laney> I did one to signon-ui
[10:33] <seb128> let's move back to #ubuntu-devel where ev is around
[10:36] <asac> didrocks: are you doing the primary phone unlock experience?
[10:37] <didrocks> asac: not that I know of at least :)
[10:37] <asac> didrocks: who do you think would do that?
[10:38] <didrocks> asac: I would say it's linked to the greeter work in unity, so maybe mterry, at least the unity team for sure
[10:38] <didrocks> (so kgunn)
[11:00] <tjaalton> is there a known bug with the updater on precise not showing any sort of progress when applying changes? only the progress bar on the dash icon is updated
[11:01] <tjaalton> the update-manager popup just says "waiting"
[11:01] <mlankhorst> didrocks: the unity in daily-build failed to build :-)
[11:02] <didrocks> mlankhorst: not new :)
[11:02] <didrocks> mlankhorst: why?
[11:02] <tjaalton> exactly what my mom described on the phone, had to check it out myself :P
[11:02] <mlankhorst> because some gtk function was deprecated
[11:02] <didrocks> mlankhorst: the why is why did you mention it, do you need it? :)
[11:02] <glatzor> tjaalton, hello, I am not aware of any bug that was fit the description of your mom.
[11:03] <glatzor> s/was/would/
[11:03] <mlankhorst> didrocks: nah just the pointer barrier stuff :-)
[11:03] <didrocks> yeah, let's get the first saucy landing
[11:03] <didrocks> then, we'll see :)
[11:03] <glatzor> tjaalton, the progress in unity updates and the updates get actually installed?
[11:04]  * mlankhorst was hoping to land xserver first in that case :/
[11:05] <didrocks> mlankhorst: any help to get unity landed into saucy welcomed :)
[11:05] <didrocks> worked 16 hours for it yesterday, started 6 hours ago today
[11:05] <mlankhorst> yikes
[11:06] <mlankhorst> what's the branch, and what's the issue atm?
[11:06] <didrocks> mlankhorst: look at daily release states and what we discussed on #ubuntu-unity and here
[11:06]  * Laney Gs the lib
[11:06] <didrocks> since this morning
[11:07] <didrocks> on unity trunk itself, dednick is working on a fix
[11:07] <didrocks> mlankhorst: you can help fixing webcreds maybe, I know that mardy is on the critical path for that
[11:07] <didrocks> mlankhorst: see yesterday's meeting and the email I sent on ubuntu-devel :)
[11:07] <mlankhorst> ok
[11:11] <tjaalton> glatzor: yep, I reproduced it myself. didn't happen at first, I tried to install the updates but in the end it said some files were not found. then after updating the lists I got the same behaviour as she did
[11:12] <tjaalton> glatzor: the updates do get installed
[11:15] <tjaalton> glatzor: hmm now I got a popup saying the daemon died. maybe it has something to do about this?
[11:49] <ritz_> why does http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/?pkg.set=ubuntu-desktop&expand=2119 this bug under gnome-keyring
[11:50] <ritz_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/723864
[11:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 723864 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "The alignment of the “[number of minutes] minutes” selector in the “Unlock Keyring” window is wrong." [Wishlist,Triaged]
[11:50] <ritz_> this is marked as invalid, and seems to be closed
[11:50] <ritz_> is it the tag ?
[11:50] <ritz_> or a bug with harvest , where it does not check for invalid falg ?
[11:53] <mitya57> ritz_: the unity task is invalid, the gnome-keyring task is open
[11:58] <ritz_> mitya57 hmm. I will go ahead and mark this bug as invalid as gnome has moved over to seahorse for mgmt
[11:58] <ritz_> thanks
[12:00] <mitya57> ritz_: GNOME moved to displaying these dialogs in gnome-shell, in Ubuntu we still use dialogs provided by gnome-keyring IIRC
[12:11] <ritz_> mitya57 nope, not anymore
[12:12] <mitya57> ritz_: then I missed that transition
[12:16] <seb128> hum
[12:16] <seb128> we still use gnome-keyring
[12:17] <seb128> seahorse is an UI to manage keyrings, it's not an agent and it's not doing stuff like displaying unlock password when needed
[12:17] <seb128> that bug is still valid afaik
[12:24] <cyphermox> didrocks: ack
[12:28] <mlankhorst> didrocks: the unity tests are failing for me, valgrind is complaining too
[12:28] <mlankhorst> http://paste.debian.net/8599/
[12:36] <didrocks> mlankhorst: there is a fix merging
[12:36] <mlankhorst> ok
[12:43] <glatzor> tjaalton, that could be a cause. are there any error details in error dialog?
[12:44] <tjaalton> glatzor: nah
[12:56] <Mirv> ok re-ran hud stack to get 'green' on libcolumbus prepare, and I got it but revealed that it fails to build (or rather, one of the tests fails)
[13:15] <jbicha> seb128: ricotz has built the new webkit in his ppa, do you want it copied to the desktop ppa?
[13:17] <Mirv> ok, you can stare at this wonder https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/libcolumbus/workaround_lp_1187771/+merge/167530 - I tried to ping Satoris but didn't reach yet
[13:18] <seb128> jbicha, hey, no, I would like to know what are the security team plans about webkit first
[13:19] <seb128> jbicha, I pinged chrisccoulson earlier about that but he didn't pong back yet
[13:19] <seb128> jbicha, does that update build webkit2 as well? did anyone test build it on arm?
[13:19] <Mirv> kenvandine: hey. Lisandro is interested in the qtwebkit5-dev dependency additions, and I don't remember what were the reasons where which - it's about this commit I submitted also to Debian http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qt5webkit.git;a=commitdiff;h=a393421b9b7892b8d889c6ad57fd472480b8bfd3
[13:20] <jbicha> seb128: yes (it builds both). no.
[13:20] <seb128> jbicha, we probably want a build test on arm before upload in any case, I will try to see if I can get it uploaded to a non virtual ppa
[13:27] <didrocks> Mirv: btw, next time, just rebuild libcolumbus (and not the rest) on the command line should be enough
[13:51] <didrocks> asac: as I told I'm probably not around at 4 UTC though
[13:53] <didrocks> asac: I can do a quick sync up with you before if you want (like now)
[13:56] <asac> didrocks: i am the wrong person to talk about details...
[13:56] <didrocks> asac: don't play your manager card! :)
[13:57] <didrocks> asac: anyway, I'll send up the summary at 5/6 UTC with where we are at
[13:57] <didrocks> (following my email on ubuntu-devel)
[13:58] <asac> didrocks: you can come later or i am sure mfrey and friends will be there at 1700 UTC for you too
[13:58] <asac> (also said that in mail now)
[13:58] <didrocks> asac: ok, perfect :)
[13:58] <asac> didrocks: cool :)\
[16:10] <jasoncwarner> morning all!
[16:11] <Laney> ahoy there
[16:16] <kenvandine> good morning jasoncwarner
[16:17] <Laney> hmm, integrating into system settings isn't hard
[16:17] <Laney> I expected more integration points
[16:17] <Laney> wonder if I'm Doing It Wrong™
[16:17] <kenvandine> Laney, like?
[16:18] <kenvandine> it should be super easy :)
[16:18] <olli> didrocks, ping
[16:18] <Laney> kenvandine: well I had to tell it a couple of qml files which I'd already created for a mockup
[16:18] <Laney> I thought there would be more API for the panels themselves to hook into
[16:18] <Laney> dunno :P
[16:19] <kenvandine> not really an API
[16:19] <kenvandine> but basically you can let it render your qml
[16:19] <kenvandine> or for really simple things just use a settings file
[16:19] <kenvandine> more complex things you can build into a plugin
[16:19] <Laney> yeah
[16:20] <kenvandine> Laney, which one are you working on?
[16:20] <Laney> appearance
[16:20] <Laney> so I'll need to interact with the gallery somehow
[16:20] <kenvandine> cool... anything i can play with yet?
[16:20] <kenvandine> oh... good luck with that :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> i bet there is a good opportunity to split some of that gallery code out into a module for reuse
[16:21] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Appearance#Phone
[16:21] <kenvandine> dunno, maybe they already did that
[16:21] <Laney> I suppose I should be able to reuse components for showing all of the albums and listing the images in them
[16:22] <Laney> ideally
[16:22] <kenvandine> yeah, or maybe the gallery could have a component for creating a model
[16:22] <kenvandine> which then you can provide the view for
[16:22] <Laney> yeah
[16:22] <kenvandine> then you don't need to duplicate the code for finding images, etc
[16:23] <kenvandine> look at gallery-app, maybe they already split that
[16:23] <Laney> will do
[16:23] <kenvandine> we're going to do that with the browser too
[16:24] <kenvandine> not for settings... but for apps that want to use a webview
[16:24] <kenvandine> let them use the logic builtin to webbrowser-app for keyboard handling, useragent, zoom... etc
[16:26] <Laney> hrm, today's touch-preview image is kind of dodgy
[16:26] <Laney> apps don't launch, no osk
[16:26] <seb128> hey jasoncwarner, kenvandine
[16:28] <seb128> kenvandine, Laney, tedg_, didrocks, cyphermox_, attente_, mpt, charles_: I scheduled a" system settings - status update" meeting tomorrow at 2pm utc, let me know if that doesn't work for you
[16:28] <kenvandine> seb128, wfm
[16:28] <Laney> wow, I really thought it was Tuesday today and that was in 2 days when I got the mail just now
[16:28]  * Laney is broken
[16:29] <Laney> (seems good)
[16:29] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:29] <seb128> Laney, that's all those mondays off work that screwed things ;-)
[16:29]  * Laney goes on strike
[16:29] <sil2100> seb128, didrocks: hm, a quick packaging question - if I have a directory with files licensed with some license, and some with no license information, then how should I put that in debian/copyright ?
[16:30] <sil2100> seb128, didrocks: is it acceptable to put the whole directory under that license?
[16:30] <sil2100> Since I have no idea what to do with those unlicensed files
[16:30] <kenvandine> i would say they should fall under whatever is in the COPYING file
[16:30] <kenvandine> directory shouldn't matter
[16:31] <kenvandine> sil2100: sorry i haven't gotten to those reviews yet... soon!
[16:31] <seb128> sil2100: what kenvandine said
[16:31] <sil2100> There is no COPYING file yet ;)
[16:31] <kenvandine> last branch here and the stack should work for saucy
[16:31] <Laney> get upstream to tell you what it should be and document it in debian/copyright
[16:31] <seb128> Laney, btw did you see earlier that glatzor recommended we roll back the packagekit update?
[16:31] <sil2100> seb128: ok, so the unlicensed files should be listed seperately as the global license, while the others - as the license that has been given to them, yes?
[16:31] <Laney> yes
[16:32] <Laney> it looked like pitti was taking care of it
[16:32] <Laney> is that right?
[16:32] <sil2100> kenvandine: ah, those Mirv already reviewed, I'm now fixing those up according to his pointers ;)
[16:32] <kenvandine> sil2100: great!
[16:32]  * kenvandine marks that off the todo list :)
[16:32] <seb128> Laney, oh, I didn't see that, but from backlog in the afternoon I was on the otherside of an IRC server split and missed some discussions
[16:32] <Laney> ah
[16:32] <Laney> he said something about rebuilds
[16:33] <kenvandine> those splits were nasty
[16:33] <seb128> Laney, cjwatson asked to ask him before doing reverts yesterday
[16:33] <Laney> yeah
[16:33] <seb128> he said he might want to delete stuff from proposed instead
[16:33] <seb128> rather than using fake versions
[16:34] <Laney> right, that works too
[16:34] <Laney> 05/06 15:40:26 <pitti> cjwatson: with just the two removals and two rebuilds in -proposed for reverting PackageKit, do you think we need any  particular magic there? (the rebuilds will just be -0ubuntu2)
[16:35] <Laney> 05/06 15:41:17 <cjwatson> pitti: I think that's OK - just make sure the removal has been published before uploading the reverts
[16:35] <Laney> so, happy to let it be taken care of
[16:35] <seb128> great
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[16:35]  * Laney pushes the button on glib
[16:36]  * desrt_ hides
[16:37] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, what's the deelio with gwibber-like functionality in the SDK these days?
[16:37] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, looking for a way to microbolg a url
[16:38] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, easy :)
[16:38] <kenvandine> friends
[16:38] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, tell me more!
[16:38] <kenvandine> look at Post.qml in lp:friends-app
[16:38] <kenvandine> for an example
[16:39] <Laney> desrt: now with 220 more tests
[16:39] <Laney> some of which might even pass
[16:39] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, there are docs on d.u.c too
[16:39] <kenvandine> but i can't find them right now :)
[16:40] <kenvandine> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/friends/qmlmodule-friends0-friends-0-1.html
[16:40] <kenvandine> there it is :)
[16:40] <kenvandine> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/friends/qml-friends0-friendsdispatcher.html#sendAsync-method
[16:40] <kenvandine> specifically
[16:41] <desrt> Laney: mclasen is on another coverage-adding spree
[16:42] <kenvandine> rickspencer3_, did you miss all that?
[16:42] <rickspencer3_> kenvandine, last I saw was that there are docs on d.u.c.
[16:42] <rickspencer3_> sorry
[16:42] <kenvandine> rickspencer3_ http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/friends/qml-friends0-friendsdispatcher.html#sendAsync-method
[16:42] <rickspencer3_> thanks kenvandine
[16:42] <kenvandine> np
[16:52] <rickspencer3_> kenvandine, those docs look good
[16:52] <rickspencer3_> is there anything like GwibberBox?
[16:53] <kenvandine> not yet
[16:53] <rickspencer3> ack
[16:53] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, but i hope to add a component like that this cycle
[16:53] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ok, this looks fun, I hope to add some functionality with this later today
[16:53] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, and it's all async now... so you can detect individual failures :)
[16:54] <kenvandine> so much better the the old gwibber stuff
[16:54] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, does this mean I need to configure facebook and twitter and stuff on my phone?
[16:54] <kenvandine> yup
[16:54] <kenvandine> uoa-create via ssh
[16:54] <rickspencer3> I didn't know we could do that
[16:54] <kenvandine> or the terminal app
[16:54] <rickspencer3> oh, I see
[16:54] <rickspencer3> that's uh, a little bare bones :)
[16:54] <kenvandine> yeah, i created that script for it until we get settings
[17:00] <didrocks> seb128: not sure how much stress there will be with landing everything to saucy, but let's try :)
[17:00] <seb128> didrocks, not a trivial amonth of landing indeed
[17:02] <didrocks> seb128: let's see how it goes :)
[17:02] <seb128> going to be fun :p
[17:04] <didrocks> it's already fun for me for the past 3 days :p
[17:20] <jbicha> why do autolanding branches use source format 1.0 instead of 3.0 (native)?
[17:21] <jbicha> I had trouble building https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/gnome-control-center-unity/rename-desktop-for-38/+merge/167608 locally until I switched the format
[17:22] <seb128> jbicha, because otherwise you can't bzr merge lp:<....> -c <rev> to backport fixes
[17:22] <seb128> v3 complains about inline diff
[17:22] <seb128> and wants you to create a debian patch
[17:23] <seb128> which is annoying because on next update you need to drop the patch then
[17:23] <seb128> where bzr merge-upstream just knows that the commit you backported is part of the update and resolve the conflict
[17:23] <seb128> e.g one command once and you can forget about the backport
[17:23] <seb128> things just work
[17:24] <mitya57> bzr shouldn't suggest to create a patch when the format is 3.0 *native*, it is a bug
[17:24] <seb128> mitya57, those are not native
[17:24] <seb128> they use split mode
[17:24] <seb128> with debian revisions
[17:25] <mitya57> jbicha suggested using native format...
[17:25] <jbicha> well, the build failed because it was somehow merging with the old file name that was being renamed
[17:25] <seb128> then you need to upload a full tarball every time
[17:25] <jbicha> and what's the problem with that?
[17:25] <seb128> waste of bandwith and mirror space
[17:25] <seb128> when I fix a one line in debian/control I don't want to reupload a full tarball and have it synced on all mirrors
[17:26] <mitya57> fair enough
[17:26] <jbicha> in this case the tarball is 74k; not something to be worrying about
[17:26] <seb128> right, but we have a standard workflow
[17:26] <seb128> we don't want to add yet different cases
[17:27] <seb128> we already have this split between debian dir only and full source for different packages
[17:27] <seb128> jbicha, what's the specific issue you had? format v1 should just work
[17:27] <jbicha> I'm not sure the standard workflow works though, we'll see if jenkins has trouble too
[17:27] <kenvandine> jbicha, it's been working fine for a while
[17:28] <jbicha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5736392/
[17:29] <seb128> jbicha, that suggests you forgot to patch POTFILES.in?
[17:33] <jbicha> no, it's getting hung up on the old name; it looks like I can workaround the bug by adding the old name to POTFILES.skip
[17:34] <jbicha> see line 1343 of my paste
[17:39] <jbicha> oh it works if I change the "upstream version number" which forces a new tarball anyway
[17:43] <jbicha> dch doesn't do that automatically, maybe a note about this kind of issue should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ ?
[17:44] <seb128> weird, I'm not sure why that would be required
[17:44] <seb128> does it fail to apply the rename?
[17:44] <seb128> I guess the file deletion is ignored in diff.gz
[17:45] <seb128> that should be in the build log warnings when it creates the source
[17:57] <tedg_> When building glib how do I disable the autopkg tests?
[17:59] <sil2100> pitti: ping!
[18:25] <mitya57> tedg_: you can remove XS-Testsuite header, but why do you need that?
[18:28] <tedg_> mitya57, Thanks!  I just edited rules.  I'm just trying a patch and wanted it to build faster.
[18:30] <mitya57> tedg_: autopkgtests are not run during build, you probably want DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck
[18:31] <tedg_> Ah, okay
[19:02] <egh> anybody else using the gnome3 team ppa? some recent updates seem to have completely broken apt-get dependencies.
[19:03] <Laney> egh: you probably want to ask in #ubuntu-gnome
[19:03] <egh> Laney: cool, thanks


[16:21] <coz_>  guys I have to break here,,, be back later
[16:28] <thorwil> always so action-packed until coz has to break
[17:25] <vish> thorwil: lol!!
[17:37] <vish> thorwil: i think he uses the 'send message to all channels'..
[17:51] <thorwil> of course he does
[17:51] <thorwil> evacuate this channel, leave it to bots!
[18:32] <Islington> you all seen this:http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/06/graphics-ninjas-invited-to-help/ vish thorwil
[18:33] <vish> Islington: yea, but I've already got my hands full :s
[18:33] <vish> Islington: probably a good topic to hit the ML..
[18:33] <Islington> same, would be nice if some details were given
[18:33] <vish> yea, just says "graphics"
[19:00] <Islington> [13:57] <kim0> I'm looking for someone to contribute front page images to cloud.ubuntu.com
[19:00] <Islington> [13:57] <kim0> see the current static image ..
[19:00] <Islington> [13:57] <kim0> hopefully this can be a slider with a few images behind it ..
[19:00] <Islington> [13:58] <kim0> those are the ones that need to be created
[19:00] <Islington> [13:58] <Islington> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/wp-content/themes/uecv2/images/main_bg.png
[19:00] <Islington> [13:58] <Islington> ^ like that?
[19:00] <Islington> [13:58] <kim0> and I would expect an update rate of like 1 image per month max
[19:00] <Islington> [13:58] <kim0> Yeah
[19:00] <Islington> [13:58] <kim0> that one
[19:00] <Islington> [13:58] <kim0> except different ideas and topics of course
[19:00] <Islington> vish: ^
[19:01] <vish> ah!
[19:02] <vish> thx..
[19:02] <vish> seems like something folks can do when they come up with new ideas or stuff..
[19:03] <vish> probably be good to gather the topics and then go crazy..
[19:05] <Islington> vish: topics have yet to be decided it seems
[19:05] <vish> :s
[19:06] <vish> Islington: what could be done is try to pick the topics from the blog posts till now and then expand for future topics
[19:07] <vish> trying*
[19:10] <Islington> vish: gonna go ahead and post in on the list. who knows maybe someone will bite
[19:11] <vish> awesome!


[00:12] <unkmar> So, can you folks help me with edubuntu server?
[00:12] <unkmar> It was recently installed but did not have 2 nics at the time.
[00:13] <unkmar> I was wondering what I would need to run to configure it.
[00:13] <unkmar> Or rather, Reconfigure.
[00:13] <unkmar> cool, ubottu is here too. Hi there bot :)
[00:14] <sbalneav> What is it you're trying to do?
[00:14] <sbalneav> Add a second nic?
[00:14] <unkmar> well, I have a second nic installed now.  Wanting to do a few things.
[00:15] <unkmar> Use it as a NAT system or router.  For the purpose of having PXE bootable clients using the system.
[00:15] <sbalneav> So, what exactly do you need help with?
[00:15] <unkmar> The though is, A client boots PXE and then runs software from on the server.
[00:16] <sbalneav> You're wanting to set up LTSP?
[00:16] <unkmar> My friend wants to actually run software ON the server from a client with a remote GUI.
[00:16] <unkmar> Yeah.  He said Yes.
[00:17] <unkmar> So, I guess I need to know how to configure the LTSP that is currently installed.
[00:17] <sbalneav> Well, you'll need to make sure the nic you want LTSP clients to run off of is on <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:18] <sbalneav> After that, the ubuntu LTSP portal should help you
[00:18] <sbalneav> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[00:18] <sbalneav> As well, the upstream documentation may be useful to you as well:
[00:19] <sbalneav> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
[00:20] <unkmar> ok.
[00:21] <unkmar> Thank you.
[00:25] <sbalneav> NP
[01:33] <unkmar> we broke stuff. so now we are reinstalling.  oh well.
[01:38] <unkmar> it had been too long since he last installed.  didn't really remember what he had and had not done.  Easier to start over than to guess at it.
[07:48] <balsaq> any teachers from the eastern usa in here