[12:05] <bdmurray> nealmcb: great - see you then
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126874 in python-visual (universe) "No Vpython for Fiesty Fawn?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126874
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126876 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu should have Mind Mapping software" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126876
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126878 in enigmail (main) "Enigmail: undefined entity in pref-enigmail.xul" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126878
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126883 in qtstalker (universe) "MINMAX indicator crashes qtstalker" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126883
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126884 in module-assistant (universe) "m-a prepare cant find kernel headers for 2.4 kernel on dapper/edgy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126884
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126885 in pkg-config (main) "pkg-config: Important bug fix in 0.22 needs backporting to dapper" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126885
[01:07] <ubotu> New bug: #126882 in smb4k (universe) "Please sync smb4k 0.8.4-1 from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126882
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126886 in gnuplot (universe) "gnuplot install fails to install gnuplot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126886
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126888 in scala (universe) "scala should depend on jdk" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126888
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126891 in openoffice.org (main) "copy and paste image: paste image is deformed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126891
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126892 in qt4-x11 (main) "Visual glitches and functionality problems after QT4.3 upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126892
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126893 in util-linux (main) "hwclock reports Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126893
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126894 in popfile (universe) "/var/run/popfile does not get re-created after reboot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126894
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126898 in Ubuntu "DVD-RW status error: status=0x58 (after an upgrade from Feity to Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126898
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126899 in firefox (main) "Tab closing induced to ubuntu login again" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126899
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126903 in csmash (universe) ".desktop file missing for csmash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126903
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126904 in freetennis (universe) ".desktop file missing for freetennis" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126904
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126905 in bloboats (universe) ".desktop file missing for bloboats" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126905
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126906 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request] : aoeui (1.1.0-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126906
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126908 in Ubuntu "[Gutsy Tribe 2]  CD drive (superdrive) in MacBook Pro santa rosa does not work. " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126908
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126910 in gtk-gnutella (universe) "Please sync gtk-gnutella (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126910
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126912 in evolution (main) "wont send audio file attached to email" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126912
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126915 in gaim (main) "gaim chat window width unchanged" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126915
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126916 in gdal (universe) "GDAL hdf/netcdf build problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126916
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[07:39] <dholbach> thekorn: early bird catches the worm? :)
[07:39] <thekorn> hi dholbach
[07:39] <thekorn> YOU are early today :)
[07:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm...if you guys are turning pu, that means i shyould have already written teh release notes
[07:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126917 in firefox (main) "With many tabs open, requesting print preview causes instant crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126917
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126919 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 failed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126919
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126925 in Ubuntu "weather applet crashes on login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126925
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126928 in ntfs-config (universe) "[needs upload]  ntfs-config 1.0.1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126928
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126929 in Ubuntu "problem of NFS with multiple clients connected" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126929
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126930 in qt4-x11 (main) "Missing icons for qt4-dev-tools in Gnome" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126930
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126931 in Ubuntu "Blank screen when starting the system after shutdown" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126931
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126932 in scite (universe) "scite closes when we want to open a file and a folder is renamed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126932
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126933 in bonobo-activation (main) "_usr_lib_bonobo-activation_bonobo-activation-server.1000.crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126933
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126934 in mdadm (main) "mdadm-RAID compromises bootup process" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126934
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126935 in slab (universe) "Please remove slab from the archives" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126935
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126938 in compiz (main) "Just a brown screen and mouse cursor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126938
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126937 in desktop-effects (main) "Gnome panel visible only on first desktop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126937
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126939 in spamassassin (universe) "spamd creates file in /" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126939
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126940 in mozilla-firefox (main) "Color Picker in Colorzilla addon does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126940
[11:42] <Gasten> Hey. Do we have any documentation that we can point bug-reporters to regarding GStreamer, totem, etc?
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126945 in update-manager (main) "Partial upgrade required -> leads to exit" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126945
[12:05] <dholbach> Gasten: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOME
[12:05] <dholbach> Gasten: especially the links there
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126950 in Ubuntu "OpenOffice Drawing moved to Lost & Found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126950
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126951 in qt4-x11 (main) "qt4 4.3.0-2 bug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126951
[12:07] <Gasten> dholbach: Thank you.
[12:08] <dholbach> anytime
[12:17] <seb128> dholbach: we don't want to merge dbus before fixing the perl bindings
[12:17] <seb128> dholbach: or that's going to break g-s-t
[12:17] <dholbach> seb128: ok good - did you make a note about that on that bug?
[12:17] <seb128> no
[12:17] <seb128> I'm just reading my mails now
[12:18] <seb128> can you assign the bug to pitti rather?
[12:18] <seb128> I spoke with him during the distro sprint
[12:18] <dholbach> the bug number was?
[12:18] <seb128> bug #126738
[12:19] <dholbach> thanks
[12:19] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:22] <dholbach> lp down again
[12:23] <asisak> works for me :)
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126954 in Ubuntu "[Sync request]  Sync pigment (0.1.5-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126954
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126955 in lirc (main) "lirc package does not build macmini device" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126955
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #126766 in feisty-backports "latest qt 4.3 backports produces visual corruption during scrolling and in the systray" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126766
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126964 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "gutsy livefs causes random hangs or modprobe crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126964
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126965 in kde-guidance (main) "kde-guidance install crashes and blocks all package manager (adept, synaptics, dpkg...)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126965
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126966 in Ubuntu "Gutsy doesn't boot on MSI 610 notebook" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126966
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126968 in network-manager (main) "network-manager only supports WPA when roaming" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126968
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126971 in compiz (main) "[gutsy]  compiz crashes x or gdm repeatedly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126971
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126972 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[Gutsy]  /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state always says "open"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126972
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126977 in gnome-sharp2 (main) "Non-dependencies marked as dependencies" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126977
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126978 in gtk-sharp2 (main) "Non-dependencies marked as dependencies" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126978
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126979 in gpe-julia (universe) "gpe-julia and xaos fractal generators in different sections" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126979
[03:54] <Gasten> I'm trying to forward a touchpad-bug to the kernel-guys bugzilla, but I'm a bit uncertain about which product I should file it under. Any ideas?
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126981 in cupsys (main) "whenever cups receives a job it crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126981
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126983 in apt (main) "Kubuntu Feisty: can't install kompare and cscope" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126983
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126922 in armagetron (universe) "Servers can write files anywhere, security update needed" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126922
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126984 in xine-lib (main) "gxine segfaults on start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126984
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126985 in gnome-panel (main) "used to be mixed between feisty and gutsy, base apps e.g. libc6 was changed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126985
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126986 in gnome-panel (main) "used to be mixed between feisty and gutsy, base apps e.g. libc6 was changed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126986
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126987 in network-manager (main) "The NetworkManager applet could not find some required resources.  It cannot continue." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126987
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126992 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crash on a virtual machine (MS Virtual PC2007)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126992
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126994 in Ubuntu "update-alternatives does not include python or gcc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126994
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126996 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Clicking on File menu completely freezes X.org" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126996
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126990 in Ubuntu "Unable to locate any package files in synaptic" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126990
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #127007 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  FireGPG" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127007
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #127008 in Ubuntu "Alternate install of Tribe-3 corrupts video display when installing packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127008
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #127009 in libgimp-perl (universe) "libgimp-perl not installable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127009
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #127010 in sysvinit (main) "halt binary missing ifdown, breaks wake on lan, src compile works" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127010
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #127011 in update-manager (main) "Still says upgrading to 7.04 even though it's upgrading to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127011
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #127012 in update-manager (main) "Progress bar wraps to two lines and is partially obscured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127012
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #127013 in pytables (universe) "Please sync pytables 2.0-1 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127013
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #127015 in Ubuntu "Suddenly unable to use keyboard and use menu's in application+" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127015
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #127019 in totem (main) "Totem shows scary 'legalese' codec warnings even in countries where they are legal" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127019
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127021 in strigi (main) "coding error in strigi kio plugin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127021
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #127023 in apport (main) "Apport crash: NameError: name 'N_TOKENS' is not defined" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127023
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #127026 in evolution (main) "there is no way to errase attachments " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127026
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127031 in imagemagick (main) "imagemagick should be split into binary and imagemagick-doc packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127031
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127035 in kdepim (main) "Wrong czech translation in Akregator" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127035
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127036 in Ubuntu "Failed to activate X window after last update on edgy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127036
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127037 in Ubuntu "open office base will not finish on setup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127037
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127038 in evolution (main) "Mails get fetched twice" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127038
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #127040 in Ubuntu "USB speakers not detected (Feisty 64 Bit)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127040
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #127041 in compiz (main) "compiz segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127041
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #127042 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Opening the Realplayer bin file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127042
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #127046 in nautilus (main) "hidden files go to trash and still you dont see what you are going to delete" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127046
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127048 in nautilus (main) "when you hover over a icon tooltip appeares then press ctrl f1 the tooltip will stay" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127048
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127049 in Ubuntu "Corrupted desktop background" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127049
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #127050 in ubuntu-sounds (main) "all sound playback functionality is gone after a restart after a hibernation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127050
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #127052 in libservlet2.4-java (main) "libservlet2.x-java package should be split into java classes and libservlet2.x-java-doc packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127052
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127053 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Problem in sun-java6-jdk documentation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127053
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #127058 in nautilus (main) "annoying nautilus file tree panel disappearing when you change the size because of the single click" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127058
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127059 in synaptic (main) "conflict packages bery with another aplications" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127059
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #127060 in zsnes (multiverse) "Fails to start with mcop error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127060
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #127061 in Ubuntu "cannot select mount point when creating partition " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127061
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #127065 in Ubuntu "Lenovo C200 laptop wireless problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127065
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127066 in mozilla-firefox (main) "Ctrl+V doesn't paste" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127066
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127067 in gnucap (universe) "gnucap should be split into binary and gnucap-doc packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127067
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #127068 in ftpmirror (universe) "[Sync Request]  please sync ftpmirror from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127068
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #127069 in Ubuntu "hwdb-gui fails to save hardware info when it can't submit info to the server and the "Desktop" dir does not exist" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127069
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #127070 in Ubuntu "Desktop hangs on Gutsy Tribe 3 amd64 Live CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127070
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #127071 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer does not save options into .cups/lpoptions for unprivileged users" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127071
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #127072 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer asks for the print queue name before scanning for printers and selecting the printer model" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127072
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #127074 in system-config-printer (main) "When system-config-printer lists an auto-detected network printer with IP, it does not fill the IP automatically into the appropriate field." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127074


[11:41] <nbusrone>  May I know ,  how do I check for repository default application ? I try to search a browser apps like midori or vivaldi but non of them show up.But on Software center search does shows up while synaptic doesn't.
[11:42] <nbusrone> What is the different between Snap , Flatpak , AppImage ? why does application a divided to all unknown distribution compare to ppa ?
[11:47] <tomreyn> nbusrone: i don't understand the last question: "why does application a divided to all unknown distribution compare to ppa ?"
[11:48] <tomreyn> nbusrone: generally speaking, which software sources are available to install from depends on which software installer frontend you are using.
[11:49] <nbusrone> tomreyn : such as chromium.There are main from repository , ppa , snap
[11:49] <tomreyn> i.e. the ubuntu desktop's "ubuntu software" application defaults on pulling software via snap, then via apt as a secondary choice. synaptic, on the other hand, would only install software from apt sources.
[11:50] <tomreyn> chromium is a bit of a special case, because its apt packages use a forwarding mechanism which cause the snap package to be installed instead.
[11:50] <tomreyn> some other apt packages were also replaced by their snap counter parts this way
[11:51] <nbusrone> tomreyn : from what I check most of the application are moving out from main apt sources to snap.
[11:51] <tomreyn> chromium installations from a ppa will probably still use apt only, installations from ubuntu repository on ubuntu 20.04 and later will result in a snap installation.
[11:52] <nbusrone> tomreyn : Does snap provide better option compare to main apt repository ?
[11:52] <tomreyn> not most of them, no. but some, especially proproetary ones, and some which are more difficult to maintain.
[11:54] <tomreyn> the snap distribution model and software packaging format has some advantages and (if you ask me) several disadvantages over apt / deb.
[11:54] <tomreyn> YMMV.
[11:54] <tomreyn> personally, i keep snaps off my system because of these.
[11:55] <tomreyn> *systemS, desktops and servers
[11:56] <nbusrone> tomreyn : Of all the browser i check on Software Center , mostly are maintain and install at snap. I would like to know,  is there any application such as synaptic which show apps from snap ? beside software center.
[11:58] <nbusrone> tomreyn : The reason i avoid snap because sometimes i encounter bug during shut down where snap not able to turn off the pc.It's a bug but haven't been fix. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1873550
[11:58] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1873550 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Snappy daemon reaches 1min30s timeout during shutdown process" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:58] <tomreyn> nbusrone: i'm only aware of "Ubuntu software" (AKA "Software center") and the snap CLI showing packages from this source.
[12:00] <tomreyn> maybe ask about it in #snapcraft - they may not even be aware of it, yet
[12:01] <nbusrone> tomreyn : I avoid most snap application if possible but some are install by default. Hopefully the bug will be fix.Snap advantage which doesn't required much dependency.
[12:04] <tomreyn> you can probably replace most of the default applications installed as snaps by their apt counter parts, or via 3rd party repositories.
[12:04] <nbusrone> tomreyn : beside , I do not like the idea of snap which automatically update the application and it's hard to revert back to previous build if newer version conflict.
[12:04] <tomreyn> chromium can be replaced by apt builds from PPAs or by ungoogled.-chromium
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: you can divide things with apt-cache search foo vs snap find foo
[12:05] <nbusrone> tomreyn : as for chromium , I am using ppa maintainer which support hardware acceleration.
[12:05] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : thanks , I aware of that but prefer something similar with synaptic.
[12:06] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : GUI base.
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: snap-store vs gnome-software then
[12:07] <tomreyn> didnt they replace the gnome gui which normally doesn't list snaps by one which does in 20.04?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu software is now snap-store in 20.04 yeah
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> but you can still install gnome-software on the side too
[12:08] <tomreyn> oh ok
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> and i see a gnome-software-plugin-snap so i think one can divide things
[12:12] <nbusrone> but need to carefully look at the type on installation , ( Source : snap ) or ( ubuntu- -universe) but now being replace.The only way to get from main repo is synaptic or apt-cache search.Still hoping snap will fix the bug and load faster on slower hard drive.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: that bug isnt for every machine, i installed a lot of 20.04 where this did not happen
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> i think on hd spinners, snaps/snapd could lag things more like shutdown, boot and loading of snaps on snap-store
[12:16] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : the bug doesn't happen offen , but I test 30  times power down the pc or restart , will have once or twice.Percentage would be around 3-5/100 occur.
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: thats something that can happen with other services then snap too, awaiting service to shutdown
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> i reccomend you install preload, haveged, stacer and tweak your machine a bit startup items + ssystemd services
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> are you on a spinner nbusrone ?
[12:18] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : I did fix it by reduce the timer to 30 secound. SO it's not a major problem but I do hope there is a way to prevent snap to automatically update.
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> there are commands to tweak snapd, think oerheks linked that one time
[12:19] <nbusrone> spinner? no idea what do you mean.
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> mechanical HD spinner
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> or an ssd
[12:20] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : have both ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04 install dualboot in mechanical drive and ssd.I can compare the different between both.
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah might be a good test
[12:21] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : mind showing the link of oerheks linked tweak ?
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> if i can recall it was from ubuntu blog
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: something like this; https://snapcraft.io/blog/how-to-manage-snap-updates
[12:23] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : oh , never know i can set therefresh timer
[12:37] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : anyway thanks for the help , looks like most 3rd proprietary application or browser switch maintain fully on snap.Will midori install for light weight.
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: i saw brave browser is back on snaps now, rocketfastest browser around
[12:40] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : oh , maybe will try those.


[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <jussi01> dholbach: Good morning Daniel!
[08:38]  * jussi01 gives dholbach a Huge hug :)
[08:38]  * dholbach hugs jussi01 back :)
[08:38] <jussi01> :D
[11:42] <jussi01> Hello All.
[11:53] <agoliveira> jussi01: Hello.
[11:54] <jussi01> agoliveira: Hi. do you know the process if I wanted to compile ubuntu mobile for arm? and if there are already arm images?
[11:55] <StevenK> If you wanted to compile Ubuntu Mobile for ARM, you'd first need to port Ubuntu to ARM, it isn't a platform we support.
[11:56] <jussi01> StevenK: ummm...ok.
[11:57] <agoliveira> jussi01: The primary platform, at least at the moment, it's the Intel's LPIA which is x86 based. Personally, I want to port it to arm but as a pet project, not related to Canonical.
[11:58] <StevenK> agoliveira: It should be easy-ish, given Debian supports ARM
[11:58] <jussi01> agoliveira: Cool. what is the process??
[11:58] <agoliveira> StevenK: Yep.
[11:59] <StevenK> Easier than say, lool's toaster.
[11:59] <jussi01> StevenK: isnt maemo runnng on arm (n800)?
[11:59] <agoliveira> jussi01: Well, basically get a arm based device, fix the kernel and try to compile the rest of the applications using crosscompiling generally.
[12:00] <StevenK> jussi01: Right, but that doesn't use Ubuntu.
[12:00] <agoliveira> jussi01: Yes, maemo is the the base of the nseries of web tablets.
[12:01] <agoliveira> I intend to get a Chumby to do that as the Nokia devices have some proprietary parts that would make difficult to port UME to it.
[12:01] <StevenK> agoliveira: Personally, I'd suggest you get a high MHz ARM box as a workhorse for the port.
[12:02] <jussi01> agoliveira: I have a custom kernel running on an arm device. How does one go about cross compiling?
[12:03] <agoliveira> StevenK: That would be nice indeed but too expensive for me here.
[12:04] <jussi01> agoliveira: I _may_ have access to one  of those in the near future....
[12:05] <agoliveira> jussi01: This is quite a lenghy subject to go over here but usually you have a x86 compiler that can produce arm binaries in this example. After compilation you test those binaries on the target device or an emulator.
[12:06] <agoliveira> jussi01: As I said, *if* I try something, it will be a pet project, just for fun, nothing serious.
[12:06] <jussi01> agoliveira: ok. I need to continue something at work, but I will grab you to talk a little more in a little while.
[12:06] <agoliveira> jussi01: Sure.
[12:06] <jussi01> :)
[12:21] <ian_brasil> jussi01: why not try to apt-get the ubuntu sources inside scratchbox and then compile?
[12:44] <Fenario> lool: Did you see my email from earlier today?
[12:48] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: whats a Chumby?
[12:49] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: http://www.chumby.com/
[12:50] <lool> Fenario: Got it now
[12:50] <lool> Fenario: he's jussi01 here :)
[12:50] <Fenario> lool: what channel is jussi01 on ?
[12:50] <lool> jussi01: Fenario (Jon Melamut) is making himself available to contact you
[12:50] <lool> Fenario: He's here?!
[12:51] <Fenario> lool: how would jussi01 be on a Canonical channel?
[12:51] <lool> Fenario: Hahaha; the email ended in my "admin-cron" folder because of the subject line :)
[12:51] <lool> Fenario: This isn't a canonical channel; this is a public channel
[12:52] <lool> Fenario: We're in #ubuntu-mobile on freenode; /me waves
[12:52] <Fenario> lool: sorry I realived I am on the wrong channel :-
[12:54] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: way cool, i want one
[12:58] <Fenario> jussi01: ping
[13:08] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: I'm thiking about get one of those in January
[13:10] <jussi01> Fenario: pong
[13:11] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: maybe we should import a load to Brazil and sell then from the Manaus free zone !
[13:12] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: I know a few fellow geeks who would love one :)
[13:13] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: i imagine, they look awesome and pretty cheap too
[13:20] <jussi01> Fenario: ?
[13:21] <Fenario> jussi01: hello
[14:10] <smagoun> StevenK: I saw you updated the spec for Java in UME. I recommend you not bother with IBM or Blackdown, and instead look just at the IcedTea VM.
[14:11] <smagoun> Blackdown effectively died several years ago, and IcedTea is the real thing.
[14:12] <smagoun> (Sun's JRE - not IcedTea - would be my first choice but I don't think the license is ubuntu-friendly?)
[14:14] <smagoun> Also, I think one key feature that needs to work is Java applet support, which requires a Java plugin for the browser. I'm not sure if any VMs do that yet, other than the offical Sun VM.
[14:15] <StevenK> Sun's JRE is not very friendly, no
[14:15] <mjg59> We can distribute the Sun VM
[14:16] <mjg59> It's non-free, but the same is true of Blackdown and IBM
[14:16] <StevenK> smagoun: I'll update the mini-spec to drop IBM or Blackdown
[14:18] <smagoun> (The IBM VM supports java 5 while Java 7 is on the way from Sun)
[14:18] <StevenK> smagoun: mini-spec updated, thanks
[14:19] <smagoun> cool
[15:39] <raji> asac, You there?
[15:39] <smagoun> Hmm, more LPIA bustage - agoliveira's evince patches didn't make it into gutsy/LPIA: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/2.20.0-0ubuntu3/+build/403195
[15:40]  * smagoun thinks the LPIA build queue needs a babysitter, this has happened a number of times
[15:40] <raji> asac, How do I hack networkmanager to run wpasupplicant with -dd option.?
[15:41] <agoliveira> smagoun: Weird... I can see my patch on the source
[15:42] <smagoun> agoliveira: lpia build failed because of a dep problem
[15:43] <agoliveira> smagoun: Yes, libhildon-1-dev is missing and makes sense as it's a requirement for evince on LIPA.
[15:43] <agoliveira> LPIA
[15:43] <smagoun> ...
[15:44] <agoliveira> As a matter of fact, not many applications will build there with this one missing
[15:53] <lool> smagoun: The buildd admins should be given back builds which are failing for some archive temporary problem and the uploader should be dealing with build failures AFAIK
[15:54] <lool> Looking at this build log, I think the buildd admin will deal with it
[15:54] <smagoun> lool: when? The failure is almost 2 months old. :)
[15:54] <asac> raji: wait a sec
[15:55] <smagoun> lool: Several other packages aren't correct in gutsy/lpia, like tasks and freetype1. It's a systemic problem that needs to be fixed
[15:55] <lool> smagoun: I wonder whether this build was attempted before ppas would pull from universe
[15:55] <lool> smagoun: It looks like the buildds would only pull from gutsy/main in the log
[15:56] <lool> smagoun: I don't know who's exactly supposed to look into missing builds; if you find out, I'm interested
[15:56] <smagoun> lool: I added an action item for tomorrow's meeting, I want to find out too. :)
[15:57] <asac> raji: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/nm_supp_debug.diff
[15:57] <lool> smagoun: But then, apart of StevenK, I'm not sure who would be knowledgeable on this during the meeting
[15:57] <agoliveira> smagoun: I remember that Tollef was looking into this.
[16:13] <raji> asac, thanks
[18:32] <kyleN> davidm: ping
[18:32] <davidm> kyleN, pong, what's up?
[18:33] <kyleN> i got an email on the list from a fellow I met at UDS/cambridge and he's wasking about location-based activities on UME.
[18:33] <kyleN> not sure what to say, can you give me something?
[18:33] <davidm> Not sure what you are looking for?
[18:33] <kyleN> what will UME do to support location based apps liked GPS, if anything
[18:34] <kyleN> any API we might support, etc
[18:35] <davidm> Well some will have GPS's and we are planning on have gpsd in the build to support that.
[18:36] <davidm> Beyond that for hardy I'm not sure we have plans yet.
[18:36] <kyleN> is gspd an open source daemon package or something?
[18:37] <kyleN> s/gspd/gpsd
[18:38] <kyleN> i found it on wikipedia, thanks
[18:41] <davidm> NP, gpsd is quite handy since it will allow several applications at a time share the gps data stream.
[18:43] <kyleN> cool. And i just realized the email was to me and another fellow personally, not to the list. I responded withe the gspd info.
[18:44] <kyleN> The fellow was in the mobile room much of the week at UDS.
[18:46] <kyleN> usm7f5
[18:46] <kyleN> wrong window
[18:47] <ian_brasil> kyleN: apt-get install gpsd :)
[18:47] <kyleN> thanks Ian! ;)
[18:49] <ian_brasil> geoclue can get location based info either from gpsd (if a gps device is attached) or from hostip.info ,plazes and other web based location services if not
[18:55] <ian_brasil> geoclue  can also be used by any application that would like to use location information (YMMV with this though a.t.m)
[19:29] <ToddBrandt> asac: would you support a patch to network-manager-applet, that adds a file called "src/load.c" which mirrors the behavior of "src/main.c" but builds nm-applet into a hildon status bar library instead of an executable?


[08:24] <tsdgeos> this is very confusing
[08:24] <tsdgeos> why can people add bugs to unity8 project
[08:24] <tsdgeos> but then i can't list them
[08:24] <tsdgeos> :/
[08:26] <tsdgeos> this is crazyness
[08:48] <seb128> tsdgeos, how so can't list them?
[08:48] <tsdgeos> seb128: do you get a list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8 ?
[08:49] <seb128> tsdgeos, no, because the project bug tracking is closed and you guys use the ubuntu package
[08:49] <seb128> that's written on this page you pointed
[08:49] <tsdgeos> yes
[08:49] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8
[08:49] <tsdgeos> but people still manage somehow to create bugs against it
[08:49] <seb128> is the url you want
[08:49] <tsdgeos> is what i am complaining about
[08:49] <seb128> they shouldn't :/
[08:50] <tsdgeos> i just moved one from unity8 project to unity8 package
[08:50] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+filebug
[08:50] <tsdgeos> and wanted to check if someone else made that mistake
[08:50] <tsdgeos> seb128: it was a reassigned one
[08:50] <seb128> seems like a launchpad bug
[08:50] <seb128> you should ask about it on #launchpad maybe
[08:52] <seb128> tsdgeos, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/34343
[08:53] <tsdgeos> known
[08:53] <tsdgeos> don't care
[08:53] <tsdgeos> :/
[08:53] <tsdgeos> well let's hope there's not too many lots bugs in there
[08:53] <tsdgeos> lost i mean :D
[09:38] <tsdgeos> guys should we go with http://i.imgur.com/XfBFvA7.png or http://i.imgur.com/n0u3vx1.png for when a value in a previewwidget is too long?
[09:39] <tsdgeos> Cimi: mzanetti: ↑
[09:40] <mzanetti> I guess the first,
[09:42] <tsdgeos> ok, i'll push that and let's see if the design people ever answer the bug :D
[09:48] <tsdgeos> and my TAB key seems to be fixed at the moment
[09:48] <tsdgeos> this is ultra weird :/
[09:48] <tsdgeos> and here i spoke too soon
[09:48] <tsdgeos> broke again :D
[10:32] <tsdgeos> greyback: pass me that tubuntu MR if you want
[10:32] <tsdgeos> i'll have a look at it while my computer with the non broken TAB and q gets configured (almost there)
[10:35] <greyback> tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtubuntu/port-to-mirclient/+merge/245164
[10:36] <greyback> the aim is for qtubuntu to use mirclient apis directly where possible
[10:38] <dandrader> greyback, awesome! haven't noticed this MR before
[10:39] <tsdgeos> greyback: instead what? patfrom apis?
[10:39] <greyback> tsdgeos: yep. platform-apis loosely wrapped mirclient too
[10:39] <tsdgeos> oki
[10:57] <tsdgeos> doesn't build :D
[10:59] <greyback> d'oh
[11:20] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: is there a scope out there that lets me reproduce the bug you fixed?
[11:20] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: the wrap one?
[11:21] <mzanetti> yes
[11:21] <tsdgeos> if you're able to figure out which scope the screenshot from kyle is
[11:21] <tsdgeos> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/194759679/preview-table-runs-off-side.png
[11:25] <mzanetti> no, I can't
[11:25] <tsdgeos> me neihter
[11:25] <tsdgeos> i guess you'll have to be happy enough with make tryPreviewTable
[11:25] <tsdgeos> back in a sec, switching PC to the one with non broken TAB
[11:27] <mzanetti> :D
[11:38] <Cimi> mzanetti, on https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/tablePreviewFixes/+merge/246986 I said that we should try to use PreviewTable in the test
[11:38] <Cimi> mzanetti, instead using the widget container
[11:39] <mzanetti> Cimi: oh... I missed that you claimed the review
[11:39] <mzanetti> sorry
[11:40] <Cimi> mzanetti, nevermind, tsdgeos is happy that you approved
[11:40] <Cimi> mzanetti, btw what you think? you are more QA than me :)
[11:41] <tsdgeos> ^_^
[11:43] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: why did you change that? was there a reason?
[11:43] <mzanetti> if I just change it back to be a PreviewTable the test still works
[11:44] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah but use the "try"
[11:44] <tsdgeos> you'll see the title cut
[11:44] <tsdgeos> instead of elide
[11:44] <tsdgeos> because of how the whole thing is setup
[11:44] <tsdgeos> differently from real life that is using the Factory
[11:44] <tsdgeos> so instead of worrying to make it look good just for the test i used the Factory
[11:44] <mzanetti> right...
[11:44] <tsdgeos> Cimi is unhappy about that
[11:44] <tsdgeos> if you are too
[11:45] <tsdgeos> i can make it work standalone
[11:45] <tsdgeos> though i don't really see the need
[11:45] <mzanetti> yeah, me neither...
[11:45] <mzanetti> well I guess the theory would agree with Cimi, but in practiceI guess we're fine
[11:45] <mzanetti> so just fight with Cimi over it :D I'm with it as it is
[11:50] <Cimi> mzanetti, I'll wait CI to approve
[11:50] <mzanetti> kk
[11:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, the smaller the review the pickier we are :P
[11:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, give me a bigger review I will approve immediately :)
[11:51] <mzanetti> :D
[11:54] <davmor2> mzanetti: don't trust him it's a trap
[11:55] <mzanetti> davmor2: huh?
[11:56] <davmor2> mzanetti: Cimi is trying to get everyone else to write more code so he doesn't have too ;)
[11:56] <mzanetti> aha!
[11:56] <mzanetti> yeah, sounds like you're right
[12:22] <mzanetti> greyback: hey, I'm having issues with rtm silo 6
[12:22] <mzanetti> greyback: seems qtmir is built against the wrong deps or something
[12:22] <mzanetti> greyback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793884/
[12:24] <greyback> mzanetti: the control file still depends on mir 0.8.1, no?
[12:26] <mzanetti> greyback: strange, it does, yes
[12:27] <greyback> mzanetti: where is it finding mir 0.8.2 then? /me goes repo diving
[12:27] <tsdgeos> sil2100: any idea why 71 is missing from http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu/vivid/ ?
[12:28] <mzanetti> greyback: this is the ppa that builds it: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-006
[12:28] <tsdgeos> aaaaaaaaaaand that said, i'm going for food
[12:28] <sil2100> tsdgeos: looking, but it might mean it was just a tarball upload
[12:28] <sil2100> Ah
[12:28] <sil2100> Ok, wait
[12:28] <sil2100> tsdgeos: ok, it's in now, my cronjob was disabled
[12:29] <mzanetti> dednick: confirming your panel fix seems to work
[12:29] <sil2100> tsdgeos: it should be all there
[12:29] <tsdgeos> sil2100: tx
[12:30] <greyback> mzanetti: sorry to sound stupid, but the PPA looks happy to me (I don't see a failed build report).
[12:30] <greyback> are you building against the PPA locally?
[12:31] <mzanetti> greyback: I'm trying to install packages from that ppa on my device
[12:31] <greyback> mzanetti: ah, ok
[12:32] <greyback> mzanetti: my guess is mir bumped to 0.8.2, in which case qtmir needs a rebuild
[12:32] <mzanetti> greyback: ah, I might have been stupid... I used the citrain tool
[12:32] <greyback> yeah mir 0.8.2 appeared Jan15
[12:32] <mzanetti> meh... indeed. upgrading manually does the trick
[12:33] <mzanetti> so seems the citrain tool is broken in some certain circumstances
[12:33] <mzanetti> sorry for the noise greyback
[12:33] <greyback> :(
[12:33] <greyback> np
[13:09] <dandrader> greyback, do you recall what's that env var to get debug logging about the QML modules being loaded?
[13:09] <greyback> dandrader: QT_DEBUG_PLUGINS=1
[13:10] <greyback> that what you mean?
[13:11] <dandrader> greyback, yeah, that's the one. thanks
[13:16] <dandrader> dednick, ping
[13:24] <dednick> dandrader: YO
[13:24] <dandrader> dednick, I've a branch where "./run.sh -f" has unity8 without any indicators
[13:24] <dandrader> dednick, can't seem to figure out why
[13:24] <dandrader> dednick, as it seems to be pointing to the fake indicators module just the same
[13:25] <dandrader> dednick, any ideas what could be wrong or where to look at?
[13:25] <dednick> dandrader: and when you pull down the menu?
[13:25] <dednick> dandrader: fakes? i though run uses proper stuff
[13:25] <dandrader> dednick, can't interact with anything, as if there's an invisible item blocking the events :/
[13:26] <dednick> ah. run -f
[13:26] <dandrader> dednick, "./run.sh" uses the proper stuff, but not "./run.sh -f"
[13:27] <dandrader> dednick, as nothing is responding to input, maybe this is a sign that qml or javascript broke somewhere without giving out any warnings in the logs
[13:27] <dednick> dandrader: which branch? rtm or trunk?
[13:28] <dandrader> dednick, lp:~dandrader/unity8/unifyLightDMMocks/
[13:28] <dandrader> dednick, trunk works
[13:30] <dandrader> dednick, so is qml/Panel/Indicators/VisibleIndicators the place I should be looking at?
[13:30] <dandrader> dednick, seems to be where the model is loaded, right?
[13:31] <dednick> dandrader: ya
[13:33] <dednick> dandrader: building now
[13:40] <dednick> dandrader: file:///home/nick/Work/phablet/unifyLightDMMocks/builddir/tests/mocks/Unity/Indicators/ModelActionRootState.qml:33:5: QML Connections: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onModelDataChanged"
[13:40] <dednick> would most likely be the problem
[13:42] <dandrader> hmm
[13:43] <dednick> not sure why. will need to look into it.
[13:43] <dednick> just about to have lunch though.
[13:43] <dednick> or rather, i am attempting to type and eat at the same time ;)
[13:43] <dandrader> :)
[14:04] <Encrypt> Hello there o/
[14:05] <dandrader> dednick, so the UnitySortFilterProxyModel in VisibleIndicators seems to be filtering out all items from Indicators.IndicatorsModel
[14:05] <Encrypt> I'm trying to use libindicate
[14:05] <Encrypt> I downloaded the necessary packages to get started, and found examples in the doc package
[14:05] <Encrypt> However, I can't get the examples working...
[14:05] <Encrypt> I really don't understadn why
[14:06] <Encrypt> Here is what I have: http://pastebin.com/umqBCVMN
[14:06] <Encrypt> Has anyone an idea?
[14:10] <Encrypt> libnotify seems strange :x
[14:11] <seb128> Encrypt, try talking to tedg
[14:11] <Encrypt> Oh, yeah
[14:11] <Encrypt> He's here :D
[14:11] <Encrypt> seb128, Thanks
[14:12] <seb128> Encrypt, but you probably want to use libmessaging-menu
[14:12] <Encrypt> I found his nickname on the internet
[14:12] <seb128> libindicate is deprecated iirc
[14:12] <Encrypt> Hum
[14:12] <tedg> Yeah, listen to seb128 :-)
[14:12] <dandrader> dednick, yeah, if I bypass the UnitySortFilterProxyModel in VisibleIndicators I get all the fake indicators normally
[14:12] <Encrypt> tedg, Do you know any C example?
[14:12] <Encrypt> Working on it? :p
[14:14] <Encrypt> Actually, there is a very poor documentation on the internet about how to use indicator in Ubuntu
[14:14] <seb128> Encrypt, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/113236687/simple.c
[14:14] <Encrypt> The same is for DBus
[14:14] <dandrader> tsdgeos, are those known failures? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-vivid/323/?#showFailuresLink
[14:14] <Encrypt> Seems to be underground stuff for geeks actually x)
[14:14] <Encrypt> seb128, Thanks :]
[14:14] <seb128> yw
[14:14] <Encrypt> I'll have a look
[14:15] <Encrypt> it looks good! :)
[14:15] <tedg> Encrypt, Hmm, I thought there was a wiki page, but can't find it. larsu might know.
[14:17] <Encrypt> Ok :]
[14:17] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yeah
[14:17] <tsdgeos> somehow we have much slower CI now
[14:17] <tsdgeos> and DashContent doesn't settle
[14:17] <tsdgeos> i have patches thta help by creating less cards on startup
[14:17] <tsdgeos> waiting for someone that wants to review them :D
[14:18] <larsu> Encrypt: devhelp has docs for libmessaging-menu
[14:19] <Encrypt> Ok!
[14:19] <larsu> need to install libmessaging-menu-dev
[14:20] <Encrypt> Yeah
[14:20] <Encrypt> I did it ;)
[14:20] <Encrypt> All glory to apt-file search !
[14:20] <Encrypt> :D
[14:21] <Encrypt> Hum
[14:21] <Encrypt> It seems very easy to work with actually
[14:21] <Encrypt> Best example ever :D
[14:22] <Encrypt> And it works once compiled :p
[14:23] <Encrypt> tedg, larsu, Thanks for your help o/
[14:23] <Encrypt> BTW, since I'm here
[14:23] <Encrypt> You might know how to work with DBus
[14:23] <Encrypt> Do you know if I can give it directly a picture?
[14:24] <Encrypt> And not the path to a picture?
[14:24] <Encrypt> With a picture, it works
[14:24] <Encrypt> path*
[14:24] <Encrypt> Now, I'd like to directly give it an array
[14:24] <larsu> Encrypt: you'll have to serialize the image into an array, but it won't be fast
[14:24] <larsu> (until we have kdbus)
[14:24] <larsu> (or the image is small)
[14:24] <Encrypt> Yeah, very small
[14:25] <Encrypt> larsu, I'm developing Tox if you know it
[14:25] <larsu> no..
[14:25] <Encrypt> Working on a better integration for Ubuntu
[14:25] <Encrypt> larsu, It's an instant messaging software
[14:25] <Encrypt> Peer2Peer, encrypted with text, audio and video supported
[14:25] <larsu> cool. Do you want to pass the image to libmesaging-menu?
[14:25] <Encrypt> As well as file transfers
[14:26] <larsu> neat!
[14:26] <Encrypt> larsu, They are using DBus for notifications
[14:26] <Encrypt> Right now, there is no avatar
[14:26] <Encrypt> (no avatar displayed when the software is minimized in the dock)
[14:26] <Encrypt> So, I did add the avatar thanks to the path to the image
[14:27] <Encrypt> But the problem is that the images aren't "squared", they are rectangles most of the time
[14:27] <larsu> libmessaging-menu accepts anything that implements the GIcon interface
[14:27] <Encrypt> But they become squares after going into a function
[14:27] <larsu> including GdkPixbufs
[14:27] <larsu> so you can directly transfer image data like that
[14:27] <Encrypt> So, I would retrieve this picture and give it to DBus directly
[14:28] <Encrypt> Tox is multiplatforms, that's why they chose DBus
[14:28] <Encrypt> BTW, the pictures are small
[14:29] <Encrypt> Maximum size allowed is 16ko right now
[14:29] <larsu> you don't talk to dbus directly when you use libmessaging-menu
[14:29] <Encrypt> Yeah
[14:29] <larsu> I'm afraid we're talking about different things :)
[14:29] <Encrypt> It's tricky to understand actually
[14:30] <Encrypt> But I mean, right now, notifications are using DBus
[14:30] <Encrypt> And I have to deal with it :p
[14:31] <Encrypt> https://tox.im/ & https://wiki.tox.im/Clients (<-- I'm working on µTox)
[14:40] <dednick> dandrader|lunch: did you get it working then?
[14:41] <dednick> dandrader|lunch: for that error message at least, there's a missing LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the run -f for the fake qmenumodel library
[14:48] <mterry> dandrader|lunch, I tried your latest unifyLightDMMocks branch, and when running ./run.sh -f, I can't swipe away the greeter?  Are you seeing that?
[14:49] <dednick> mterry: he is
[14:49] <dednick> and there's no indicators
[14:49] <mterry> dednick, right
[14:49] <mterry> dednick, ok good!
[14:50] <mterry> My lappy isn't crazy then
[14:50] <dednick> mterry: nope, only you ;)
[14:50] <mterry> :)
[15:16] <greyback> hmm qt 5.4 would make my life easier right now
[15:25] <Cimi> mterry, do you know how to test the wizard on the desktop?
[15:26] <mterry> Cimi, I haven't done that in forever.  I think with the new unity8 one, you can edit the mocks to set the wizard to come up, and then just use ./run.sh -f
[15:27] <Cimi> mterry, or even make tryWizard
[15:27] <mterry> Cimi, sure
[15:28] <Cimi> mmm
[15:28] <Cimi> mterry, wifi page still says  no available networks
[15:29] <dandrader> mterry, greeter is not setting Shell.enable back to true
[15:30] <dandrader> (in "run.sh -f")
[15:30] <mterry> dandrader, that means that the lightdm mocks never issued a prompt or authorization complete signal
[15:30] <mterry> dandrader, we block interacting with the shell until we know whether we need to show the lockscreen or not
[15:34] <dednick> dandrader: not sure why it's working in trunk. changes to fix. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9795266/
[15:35] <dednick> dandrader: that fixes the indicators, not sure why can't use touch
[15:40] <dednick> dandrader: eh. not sure that fixes the issue. think it creates another one :/
[15:42] <dandrader> dednick, the touch issue is because the greeter mock is not setting Shell.enable back to "true" (because it starts as "false"). it's a separate issue from the indicators one
[15:44] <dednick> dandrader: ya.
[16:02] <dandrader> mterry, fixed the freeze
[16:03] <mterry> dandrader, sweet
[16:03] <dandrader> mterry, but the indicators issue seems to be unrelated to this patch
[16:03] <mterry> oh ok
[16:03] <dandrader> dednick, right!?
[16:09] <dandrader> dednick, this is what "fixes" the indicators for me http://paste.ubuntu.com/9795517/
[16:09] <dandrader> dednick, it at least gives a clue
[16:17] <mterry> dandrader, so how do I use ./run.sh -f but get a pin code or a passphrase?
[16:18] <dandrader> mterry, after this patch, you don't. do you still need it? I was thinking that the "make tryFoo" targets would replace this use case
[16:19] <dednick> dandrader: working on a branch to fix
[16:20] <dednick> dandrader: we dont need to filter visible indicators anymore
[16:21] <dandrader> dednick, hmmm, so your branch will just nuke that UnitySortFilterProxyModel in VisibleIndicators.qml?
[16:23] <dednick> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/remove-indicator-visibility-filter/+merge/247039
[16:23] <dednick> dandrader: somewhat.
[16:24] <dednick> dandrader: remove VisibleIndicators all together
[16:24] <dandrader> dednick, nie
[16:24] <dandrader> nice
[16:25] <dednick> doesnt actually do anything. not sure why it was getting different results in trunk and your branch though :/
[16:25]  * dednick goes into feeding mode.
[16:26] <dandrader> dednick, well, my branch is now getting indicators in "run.sh -f" without any changes to the model (ie, just like trunk). don't ask me why
[16:34] <mterry> dandrader, well I suppose make tryFoo cases do cover similar territory.  By that logic though, we don't really need run.sh at all
[16:34] <mterry> dandrader, or at least the -f variant
[16:34] <dandrader> mterry, I agree
[16:35] <dandrader> mterry, ./run.sh predates the "make tryFoo" stuff
[16:35] <dandrader> s/run.sh/run.sh -f
[16:41] <mterry> dandrader, well.. ok
[16:42] <mterry> dandrader, but I don't like relearning things  ;)
[21:05] <Encrypt> Hello again here!
[21:05] <Encrypt> I'll be using libmessaging-menu to integrate tox in the messaging menu
[21:05] <Encrypt> However, I'm surprised that there is no doc? (O.o)


[02:55] <philipballew> would someone recommend a way to fix a hd partition that wont mount?
[02:56] <philipballew> ther are several ways and figured one might be better then another
[03:00] <akk> I usually do fsck before panicking.
[03:00] <philipballew> akk how would i do that :)
[03:02] <akk> fsck /dev/sd0b or whatever the partition is
[03:02] <philipballew> ok. lets try it. thanks!
[03:02] <akk> though man fsck says you can also specify it by uuid or mount point
[03:02] <akk> What filesystem type is it?
[03:02] <philipballew> ntfs i think
[03:03] <akk> Oh, that's different
[03:03] <akk> you might need special fsck arguments
[03:03] <philipballew> its an externinal
[03:03] <philipballew> i see
[03:03] <akk> at least, fsck for vfat won't do anything unless you specify several "I really mean it, yes, really make changes to the filesystem" options
[03:04] <akk> It doesn't hurt to run it, but if it looks like it made changes, be sure to run it again after it's finished
[03:04] <philipballew> i looked at testdisk
[03:04] <philipballew> that seemes possible
[03:04] <akk> and if it asks the same questions all over again, then read man fsck for the "really write, don't just pretend" option.
[03:05] <philipballew> how do i find the mount point
[03:05] <akk> Where do you normally mount it?
[03:05] <akk> If it's usually automounted and shows up in random places in /media or wherever, then specifying mount point probably isn't the way to go.
[03:05] <philipballew> well i usually just stick it in my usb port and it does the rest... haha
[03:06] <philipballew> yeah, i know thats what you wernt asking
[18:39] <MarkDude> http://twit.tv/twig101 Google+ podcast


[12:28] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone,
[12:46] <markjones> brobostigon, can you remember when I joined the LoCo?
[12:47] <brobostigon> markjones: no, sorry.
[12:49] <brobostigon> it was quite early though,
[13:11] <brobostigon> markjones: why do you want to know, may i ask?
[13:18] <markjones> brobostigon, for my CV
[13:19] <brobostigon> markjones: ah, good thing to put onthere.
[13:19] <brobostigon> :)
[13:19] <markjones> relates to what I posted on Facebook
[13:20] <brobostigon> i have put this kind of thing on my cv aswell.
[13:20] <brobostigon> not looked atfacebook, yet today, let me look.


[02:08] <kanashiro> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redmine/+bug/2054623
[02:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2054623 in redmine-plugin-redhopper (Ubuntu) "Removed from Debian testing" [Undecided, New]
[06:31] <sgmoore> bdmurray: Hi. Again, sorry for my newbness, but I read there our limit is 4.5, I downoaded our ISO to test and it is 4.2 so I am not sure how it is hitting the size limit, uness I am missing something. I sady didn't write down how much it was over ( saw the message to rikmills ) I am going to have to guess here and say 4.7 and in the future if you could ping me as well with anything in regards to Kubuntu :) Thank you!! And thanks for the
[06:31] <sgmoore> autopackage pings.
[12:27] <ahasenack> ubuntu-archive: hi, when someone as a moment, could you please complete the glusterfs demotion to universe? It's showing up in component mismatches already, as a "source and binary movements to universe"
[12:27] <ahasenack> ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glusterfs/+bug/2045063 is the demotion bug
[12:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2045063 in glusterfs (Ubuntu) "Demote glusterfs for noble" [High, In Progress]
[12:27] <ahasenack> it will also move bin:qemu-block-supplemental and bin:samba-vfs-modules-extra to universe, that's expected
[12:27] <ahasenack> they are also showing up in the report as binary-only moves to universe
[12:31] <apw> ahasenack, demoted.
[12:32] <ahasenack> apw: thanks!
[12:39] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-archive: please kick searx out from noble (Debian bug: #1051510). This will make flask migrate, with Python3.12 compatibility code
[12:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1051510 in src:searx "searx: SearX upstream is no longer maintained" [Serious, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1051510
[12:39] <LocutusOfBorg> also fava bug: #1031724
[12:39] <LocutusOfBorg> debian bug: #1031724
[12:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1031724 in src:fava "fava: frontend is not built from source; missing source" [Serious, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1031724
[13:42] <LocutusOfBorg> please kick liquidsoap out, so ocaml can migrate
[13:43] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1064128
[13:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1064128 in liquidsoap "liquidsoap: FTBFS: Error: Unbound module Pcre" [Serious, Open]
[14:10] <jbicha> should we temporarily revert ceph in noble-proposed to 18.2.0-0ubuntu6 since the riscv64 build may take all day? it's a blocker for python3-defaults
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg> is it the last blocker? in 10h it will finish build anyway, right?
[14:17] <ginggs> ahasenack: i've just noticed
[14:17] <ginggs> Implicit dependency: python3-defaults samba (not considered)
[14:34] <sil2100> Preparing for release of .4!
[14:35] <bdrung> ahasenack, ping for tzdata. we even got an user request.
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, apw samba-vfs-modules-extra should go in universe?
[14:36] <LocutusOfBorg> new package automagically accepted in main looks lilke
[14:36] <LocutusOfBorg> *like
[14:36] <LocutusOfBorg> this should make samba migratable
[14:36] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, if it was automatically put in main it must have existed before me thinks.
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, its a binary provided by src:samba
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg> not a standalone source
[14:37] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, oh then the default is to match the source disposition
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg> so, new binaries in main are automatically accepted in the same pocket? :)
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg> yes
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg> that one!
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg> this is why probably demoting that binary is ok
[14:38] <apw> component-missmatches will let us no.
[14:38] <apw> know
[14:38] <LocutusOfBorg> Binary only movements to universe (ubuntu-server)
[14:38] <LocutusOfBorg> qemu-block-supplemental	qemu
[14:38] <LocutusOfBorg> samba-vfs-modules-extra
[14:38] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah
[14:39] <apw> indeed.  there we go.
[14:40] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[14:57] <blackboxsw> ahasenack: I think if there is SRU review time today cloud-init verification has been complete for a while on 23.4 and it's aging again but it doesn't seem represented on the SRU trello board
[14:57] <tsimonq2> Hi QA Tracker, did you fall asleep? :)
[15:14] <tsimonq2> "Hey, you, you're finally awake"
[15:22] <juliank> ubuntu-release can we force migrate glibc? The remaining tests don't look all that bad and then we can land the move to /usr today even
[15:23] <juliank> There's a weird regression with timezones in perl but it doesn't look like it should be a blocker
[15:23] <juliank> autopkgtest for liblocale-gettext-perl/1.07-6build1: amd64: Regression ♻ , arm64: Regression ♻ , armhf: Regression ♻ , ppc64el: Regression ♻ , s390x: Regression ♻
[15:23] <juliank> These are the only ones
[15:28]  * arraybolt3 stumbles into room
[15:28] <arraybolt3> ok how close are we to release?
[15:28] <arraybolt3> I have a release announcement to finish writing and need to know how much time I have.
[15:28] <arraybolt3> (Was up until like 2:30 AM my time getting Lubuntu's tests finished up.)
[15:39] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, what about kicking liquidsoap out to let ocaml migrate?
[15:40] <LocutusOfBorg> with it I can't see if anyhting is blocking still
[15:49] <ginggs> juliank: ack, hinting glibc
[15:51] <ginggs> may as well do python3-defaults too
[16:01] <ahasenack> blackboxsw: the board is only about unapproved packages. For packages already in proposed, the report is https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/pending-sru.html
[16:01] <ahasenack> blackboxsw: and today there is still an SRU freeze. It might be lifted today still
[16:08] <juliank> thanks ginggs
[16:55] <juliank> ginggs: how's your britney knowledge
[16:57] <ginggs> I know britney is a harsh mistress
[17:07] <juliank> ginggs: I'll upload base-files and glibc soon, and they need to migrate together. But they don't need to be upgraded together, and I don't want to complicate upgrades by mutual depends/breaks, so I'm thinking I'll just mark them block-proposed in a bug; or we set direct block in a hints file
[17:07] <juliank> Because arguably if they should migrate we probably want to use explicit unblock
[17:08] <juliank> If one migrates before the other because we missed something hidden somewhere debootstrap breaks
[17:10] <juliank> Well let me add the bug tag when I upload and it's going to be fine
[17:21] <juliank> skipped: glibc (95, 137, 3)
[17:21] <juliank>     got: 41+0: a-3:a-7:a-1:i-26:p-1:r-1:s-2
[17:21] <juliank>     * arm64: libdsocksd0, libnss-db, libsocksd0, libsocksd0-dev, unscd, zzuf
[17:21] <juliank> Ugh ginggs, it did not migrate
[17:22] <juliank> I can't read that
[17:23] <juliank> The others also should be ready to migrate
[17:27] <LocutusOfBorg> no ubuntu-archive around to help ocaml?
[17:30] <arraybolt3> juliank: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration "The update_output.txt file is completely unreadable!" :P
[17:31] <arraybolt3> but... wow, a-3:a-7:a-1... we really need some way of identifying architectures other than by their first letter.
[17:34] <ginggs> juliank: I can have look at glibc again in a bit
[17:35] <juliank> ginggs: I'm running install in apt trying to figure out which dependency is failing :D
[17:37] <juliank> ginggs: but this is all awkward :(
[17:38] <juliank> ginggs: One thing to say is new glibc drops the libc6-prof binary and conflicts with the old version
[17:41] <juliank> maybe it really is that and it complains about libc6-prof becoming uninstallable or something, idk
[17:50] <ahasenack> bdrung: hi, about tzdata (my first time reviewing this package)
[17:50] <ahasenack> bdrung: the sru docs have a whole section on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#tzdata
[17:51] <ahasenack> they talk about zdump and other checks
[17:51] <ahasenack> is that part of the autopkgtests, or is it expected to be done manually, per sru?
[18:42] <athos> Hi ubuntu-archive. Could you please remove phpdox from noble (LP: #2054727)?
[18:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2054727 in phpdox (Ubuntu) "Please remove phpdox from noble" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054727
[18:44] <ahasenack> ricotz: I think you have some copy&paste typo from previous libreoffice srus:
[18:44] <ahasenack> " * Version 7.6.2 is currently released in mantic. For a list of fixed bugs compared to 7.6.4 see the list of bugs fixed in the release candidates of 7.6.5 (that's a total of 94 bugs):"
[18:44] <ahasenack> mantic has 7.6.4
[18:47] <ricotz> ahasenack, sorry, I hope this was the only issue
[18:47] <ahasenack> still looking
[18:48] <ahasenack> diffing libreoffice is not for low-end machines :)
[18:48] <ahasenack> even LP didn't produce a diff
[18:48] <ahasenack>  /dev/mapper/vg0-root  336G  294G   25G  93% /
[18:48] <ahasenack> uhoh
[18:49] <ricotz> ahasenack, yeah :\, the LP diff would not be worth anything against 7.6.2 anyway :(
[18:49] <ricotz> ahasenack, I am using a tmpfs for this beast
[18:50] <ahasenack> down to 21G now
[18:50] <ahasenack> I might do this elsewhere
[18:52] <ricotz> ahasenack, I might be able to provide you a diff
[18:52] <ahasenack> I think it will work
[18:52] <ahasenack> what I'm doing
[18:52] <ahasenack> still 20Gb free :)
[18:52] <ahasenack> my nvme might be losing a few years of life, but heh
[18:53] <ahasenack> :)
[18:55] <ricotz> I am like hammering the RAM instead :)
[19:04] <ahasenack> ricotz: you have fix-riscv64-bridge.diff and fix-riscv64-bridges.diff, that could have been avoided :)
[19:07] <ricotz> ahasenack, I am aware :\, fixing the naming would create conflicts with debian
[19:07] <ahasenack> aha
[19:07] <ahasenack> yeah, not worth a delta for sure
[19:07] <ahasenack> hopefully these can be dropped next time
[19:07] <ahasenack> (if merged upstream)
[19:08] <ahasenack> ricotz: have you used debian/watch recently? It doesn't seem to be finding the upstream releases
[19:09] <ricotz> ahasenack, these patches are part of 24.2, but I guess they will need to be kept around in 7.6
[19:09] <ahasenack> maybe because they removed 7.6.5 from https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/ apparently?
[19:09] <ahasenack> I see <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:09] <ahasenack> hm, pre-release?
[19:09] <ahasenack> also <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:09] <ricotz> ahasenack, correct the tarball got repacked
[19:10] <ricotz> https://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/src/7.6.5/
[19:10] <ahasenack> yeah, that has .2
[19:10] <ricotz> tracking the pre-release is preferred
[19:11] <ahasenack> do they just drop the older ones? Where is 7.6.5?
[19:11] <ricotz> yes, there were two different <IP_ADDRESS> tarballs
[19:11] <ahasenack> I'm talking about 7.6.5
[19:12] <ricotz> the RC revision stays part of the tarball name
[19:12] <ricotz> https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/libreoffice-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.xz
[19:13] <ahasenack> you linked <IP_ADDRESS> again
[19:13] <ahasenack> are you saying <IP_ADDRESS> is the official 7.6.5, and that the .2 just shows that it was 7.6.5RC2 before?
[19:14] <ricotz> yes
[19:14] <ahasenack> why not call the version in d/changelog <IP_ADDRESS> then? I'm confused
[19:14] <ahasenack> I'm trying to match what is in unapproved with what upstream published
[19:14] <ahasenack> since I can't really go over the huge diff
[19:15] <ricotz> because this is not how upstream is labeling it officially
[19:15] <ahasenack> so in unapproved I see a 7.6.5 orig tarball
[19:15] <ahasenack> I was expecting to find a 7.6.5 tarball upstream
[19:15] <ricotz> because it is the final release, and this is how it works for years
[19:16] <ricotz> this release was a bit special while there were two <IP_ADDRESS> tarballs
[19:16] <ricotz> due to a hotfix change
[19:16] <ahasenack> so if I download <IP_ADDRESS> from upstream, it should match the 7.6.5 orig tarball in unapproved, is that it?
[19:16] <ricotz> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tag/?h=libreoffice-<IP_ADDRESS>-hotfix1
[19:17] <ricotz> yes, this one https://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/src/7.6.5/
[19:17] <ricotz> the one from pre-release is different
[19:18] <ricotz> ahasenack, the tarballs are signed and can be checked with the provided *.asc
[19:19] <ricotz> the main tarballs at least, -help, -translations, -tarballs are generated by me
[19:28] <ricotz> ahasenack, https://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/libreoffice-<IP_ADDRESS>.diff
[19:29] <ricotz> ahasenack, https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/log/?h=wip/mantic-7.6
[19:36] <bdrung> ahasenack, i (hopefully) answered your questions in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/2052739/comments/9
[19:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2052739 in tzdata (Ubuntu Mantic) "tzdata 2024a release" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[19:42] <ahasenack> ricotz: accepted, unsure why the bot didn't say something
[19:42] <ahasenack> bdrung: I'll get back to it later today
[19:43] <ricotz> ahasenack, thank you very much
[19:47] <bdrung> ahasenack, thanks
[19:59] <bdmurray> sgmoore: It looks like Kubuntu shrank with in the limits again as I'm no longer getting emails about it being oversized.
[20:01] <sgmoore> bdmurray: great :)
[20:14] <ahasenack> do riscv64 builds block migration?
[20:15] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/18.2.0-0ubuntu7 is still building for riscv64, and it's on the list of things blocking python3-defaults
[20:19] <bdmurray> ahasenack: yes
[20:19] <ahasenack> "Started 20 hours ago
[20:19] <ahasenack> "
[20:20] <ahasenack> let's see how long the previous one took
[20:20] <ahasenack> Finished on 2024-02-07 (took 1 day, 4 hours, 15 minutes, 1.0 seconds)
[20:20] <bdmurray> "Issues preventing migration:\n "missing build"
[20:20] <ahasenack> so 28h and change
[20:20] <ahasenack> 8h more
[20:20] <bdmurray> almost there!
[20:20] <ahasenack> glass half-full
[20:46] <ahasenack> bdrung: one last question, if you are still around. How is debian/icu/* populated?
[20:46] <ahasenack> or rather, updated?
[21:08] <bdmurray> ahasenack: see update-icu in debian/rules
[21:09] <bdmurray> ahasenack: basically its from here IIRC https://github.com/unicode-org/icu-data/tree/main/tzdata/icunew
[21:45] <doko> bdmurray, ginggs: please can we stop autosyncs until python3-defaults migrated? looks like we get some unwanted syncs delaying the migration. and I saw that glibc just migrated
[21:45] <ahasenack> we are so close
[21:46] <ahasenack> last I checked we were just waiting on a riscv64 build
[21:46] <bdmurray> doko: I can turn off autosyncs but for how long should I do that? I'll be around for 3 hours or so and could come back later to reenable it.
[21:47] <doko> bdmurray: well, for the perl migration, they were turned off for a few days. maybe watch until python3-defaults migrated?
[21:48] <doko> it shouldn't be longer than the weekend
[21:48] <bdmurray> vorlon, sil2100: FYI ^^
[21:48] <ahasenack> hm, this is in the way of python3-defaults too I think: https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ucx
[21:48] <ahasenack> missing build on ppc64el
[21:49] <ahasenack> bistro/bistro.c:83:5: error: nested extern declaration of ‘ucm_bistro_patch_lock’ [-Werror=nested-externs]
[21:49] <ahasenack> cc1: all warnings being treated as errors
[21:49] <bdmurray> Is there anything dependent on that though?
[21:49] <ahasenack> I can look at that tomorrow...
[21:49] <ahasenack> I arrived there via "adios2"
[21:49] <ahasenack> Implicit dependency: python3-defaults adios2 (not considered)
[21:50] <ahasenack> I think it's just that and ceph now
[21:50] <ahasenack> and ceph is the riscv64 build that takes 28h
[21:50] <ahasenack> I see no reds under python3-defaults in the current excuses page
[21:51] <ahasenack> it also failed in debian
[21:51] <ahasenack> (ppc64el build of ucx)
[21:51] <doko> yes, looking at removing that, and restoring the previous adios2 build
[21:52] <doko> we have to wait for the ceph build
[21:52] <ahasenack> adios, adios2
[21:56] <ginggs> :)
[21:56] <ahasenack> ah, someone got it
[21:57] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adios2/+publishinghistory
[21:58] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ucx/+publishinghistory
[21:58] <ahasenack> ah, the power
[21:59] <ahasenack> 7h for the riscv64 build to finish
[22:00] <bdmurray> Is it worth waiting for that build?
[22:00] <doko> what else do you suggest?
[22:02] <bdmurray> Oh, I guess we can't hint builds.
[22:02] <doko> I could remove it. ok let's do it. sorry pushkar
[22:03] <bdmurray> Yeah, let it build again over the weekend.
[22:04] <doko> I'll be afk most of the weekend, but will read backlog in the evenings
[22:09] <doko> so adios2 -10 failed to build on s390x. removing adios2 instead, and demoting paraview. that can be undone by restoring the ucx and adios2 builds later
[22:12] <doko> done
[22:12] <doko> lets wait ...
[23:20] <jbicha> ceph's noble riscv64 failed with no log so I suggest a temporary revert since a build takes a full day
[23:21] <jbicha> oh never mind, ceph was already reverted
[23:21] <bdmurray> I thought doko said he did that
[23:21] <bdmurray> ;-)


[03:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:58] <luna_> morning
[05:19] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[05:20] <marcoagpinto> so, today is the big day?
[05:20] <marcoagpinto> 25-APR: 24.04 LTS?
[05:21] <luna_> marcoagpinto: yeah today and tommorow
[05:24] <Bashing-om> marcoagpinto: ^ a definite maybe - They re sure working hard to make it so.
[06:32] <guiverc> Is there any Ubuntu noble flavor using ubiquity... I believe the answer is no... but if anyone knows of one that does, please ping :)
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: did we not switch all to desktop provisioning?
[06:35] <guiverc> I have no idea what kylin uses for example.. all I've watched use either ubuntu-desktop-installer with two switching to use calamares..
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> never tested kylin mysemf
[06:36] <guiverc> I did once.. (a 16.04 respin from memory) & all I recall is non-english characters that didn't make it easy to confirm everything was good... so not again.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> heh
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> i assume its now all subiquity based?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> and calamares
[06:45] <guiverc> That's my understanding.. all being ubuntu-desktop-installer (etc) except lubuntu, kubuntu & ubuntu.unity  (or klunitÿbuntu  as I've seen them called a few times now on #ubuntu-release)
[14:23] <luna_> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-24.04-LTS-Download 24.04 Desktop is up in London now at the Canonical datacenter
[14:24] <oerheks> no announcement yet, luna_
[14:24] <oerheks> the last iso' s took my eye ... https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[14:24] <oerheks> minimal
[14:37] <yano> yeah, it's here too, https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/
[14:40] <oerheks> nothing here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2024-April/thread.html
[14:40] <yano> 👀
[15:29] <yano> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2024-April/000301.html
[15:45] <ogra_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5yM4ZYwB_s
[15:45] <ogra_> (the matching video for the release)