[05:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> reka, you should if you wanted to make a system-wide install
[05:48] <ionte> hi. i just upgraded to breezy. a lot of packages depends on xdpyinfo etc, but there is no such package...?
[05:48] <kbrooks> reka: firefox
[05:48] <langenberg> How do I install the nvidia module? apt-get install nvidia-glx does not work.
[05:49] <kbrooks> ionte, /topic
[05:49] <NerdGirl> It won't install in the usual directory if I don't use sudo.
[05:49] <kbrooks> langenberg, rafb.net/paste
[05:49] <ionte> kbrooks, i guessed so. still, no workarounds?
[05:49] <reka> Bubbling_Zombie: ah, ok
[05:49] <langenberg> kbrooks: ?
[05:49] <reka> kbrooks: ?
[05:49] <anto9us> kbrooks: that's not true, I think it's the current users password provided they have administrator privelages
[05:49] <langenberg> kbrooks: paste whot?
[05:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> langenberg, module for x or module for the kernel
[05:50] <kbrooks> langenberg, the apt output.
[05:50] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: I think I'll need both. X doesn't start (nvidia module missing).
[05:51] <langenberg> kbrooks: nvidia-glx is already the newest version. :)
[05:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> did the apt-get install nvidia-glx install something? or is the package not there
[05:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[05:51] <CountDown> So, someone told me yesterday that /dev/lp0 was a parallel port, but I'm starting to think it's something higher level than that related to printing.  Does anyone know how to create a parallel port device or install the proper module to do so?
[05:52] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: I've done that all the time, but still the module can't be found.
[05:52] <Bubbling_Zombie> which module - the kernel module or the X module -__
[05:52] <zer> ce33na: So you don't have any idea about my problem?
[05:54] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: X prints the error "FATAL: module nvidia cannot be found"
[05:55] <teferi> anyone using evolution and evolution-exchange in breezy and finding that evolution-exchange doesn't seem to work anymore?
[05:56] <Bubbling_Zombie> did you try modprobin' the nvidia module?
[05:56] <ce33na> zer: sorry..no
[05:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> the module is in the "restricted modules" package of your kernel.
[06:00] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7 - Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on AMD K7, these? (yes I have the K7 kernel)
[06:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> if you have the 2.6.10 kernel yes
[06:01] <Bubbling_Zombie> (you can find out that with uname -a )
[06:01] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: and after that, a reboot will be suffient?
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> you don't even have to do that
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> just do (on a terminal) "modprobe nvidia"
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> and try starting X
[06:02] <langenberg> Seems the nvidia module can be found :D
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> great
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> try starting x :F
[06:03] <tanki> yeah you should never be in x when you're messing with graphic drivers
[06:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> why not tanki?
[06:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's not like they're gona modprobe themselves -_-
[06:03] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, you should have them loaded before you start x
[06:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah, ok, but upgrading them shouldn't be an issue. Just remove them and prob 'em again
[06:04] <tanki> for the same reason you shouldn't force an unmount when you're doing stuff in the directory that's mounted
[06:05] <CountDown> anyone know how to get direct programmatic control of the parallel port pins?
[06:05] <will__> humm
[06:05] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: Ah thanks man!
[06:05] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: X started properly.
[06:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> tanki, of course it's safer. But it isn't absolutely nec. if you know what you're doing
[06:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> nice
[06:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> be sure to add the module to your startup modules
[06:06] <reka> CountDown: OOI, what exactly are you trying to do?
[06:06] <langenberg> It's going fine, damn, I find myself typing 'emerge' all the time on that box :P
[06:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol, know the problem langenberg - i switched to debian and found out the sude program isn't installed standard
[06:06] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, when dealing with nvidia drivers, you never know
[06:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> i was sudo'ing away merrily all the time ^-^
[06:07] <reka> will__: don't know the words?
[06:07] <tanki> can throw a seasoned user through a loop sometimes
[06:07] <CountDown> reka: I'm trying to use a Macraigor 20-pin Wiggler (a device used to program and debug JTAG enabled microcontrollers) using Rowley's CrossStudio for ARM.
[06:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> tanki, sure.
[06:07] <tanki> i dont use it anymore so i'm happy
[06:07] <CountDown> reka: However, it seems that the parallel port is either tied up or doesn't exist.  Is /dev/lp0 the parallel port?
[06:08] <will__> reka: something like that!
[06:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> heh. I'm quite happy about my nvidia drivers/card. It beats radeon -_-
[06:08] <sh0k> hi
[06:08] <tanki> something unsettling about pluggin in a binary only closed source driver into the depths of a sleek open source enviornment that kept me up at night, sweating perfusely in the fetal position
[06:08] <tanki> hehe :)
[06:09] <reka> CountDown: dunno really....i just asked cos the questions you were asking seemed rather technical to my feeble mind :)
[06:09] <jasontech> I believe lp0 is the parallel port... maybe you don't have access to it?
[06:10] <reka> tanki: i guess i'm the only one who doesn't really mind using nonfree stuff. :-/
[06:10] <CountDown> reka: Basically, I'm having device driver issues.  I'd like to be able to use cat on a parallel port in the same way it can be used with a serial port (e.g. /dev/ttyS0).
[06:10] <tanki> reka, dont get me wrong, i'm not a purist or anything
[06:11] <jasontech> CountDown: I don't think you can do that with a parallel port... I think they use a different language or something like that
[06:11] <reka> tanki: no....i just think it's my windows upbringing...i can't really see anything that wrong with not releasing the accompanying code
[06:11] <CountDown> jasontech: That's what I thought, too.  I "sudo chmod 666 /dev/lp0" 'ed it, but then all I got was a port busy error from the program I was using and an input/output error from cat.
[06:11] <tanki> reka, truth be told, the windows versions of vid drivers, especially for higher end cards are more developed than the linux versions so thats why i gave up messing with it in linux and just got a separate box that runs windows on it strictly for high performance gaming ownage :)
[06:11] <benkong2> what does it mean when I get a mandb: warning /usr/share/man/man1/oofice2.1.gz is a dangling symlink from a daily cron job?
[06:11] <CountDown> jasontech: Yeah, you might be right.  I guess that's why they call it a parallel port.  :)
[06:12] <CountDown> jasontech: However, I noticed that /dev/lp0 appears and disappears with the loading and unloading of the lp module.
[06:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> tanki, but what about transparent toolbars :sop: :')
[06:12] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: I still don't know the equivalent of rc-update (gentoo) and chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.* (slack) for debian.
[06:12] <jasontech> Thats why you don't see many parallel port devices, and they always need strange drivers
[06:12] <jasontech> if you are having cabling trouble, I know they have 9 pin to 25 pin adapters
[06:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> update-rc.d
[06:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> langenberg
[06:13] <CountDown> jasontech: lsmod reveals that I have lp, parport, and parport_pc modules loaded.
[06:14] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, it's always been a struggle because linux is so perfect for the desktop compared to windows, and some might say even osx.. so it's only natural that we would want to game on it with the same advantage but sadly that wont happen, not with intellectual property rights and big lawyers
[06:14] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: ah, thanks again.
[06:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah, but i'm not talking about games.
[06:14] <reka> Bubbling_Zombie: actually...i saw an xp dekstop that wasn't bad today: http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/686/windowsdesktop1mj.jpg (courtesy of Tiago)
[06:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> hell, i use windows myself for gaming. but i still like to use all of the available power of my computer when i'm using another operating system
[06:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> pretty ^-^
[06:15] <tanki> yeah
[06:15] <jasontech> CountDown: I am not saying you don't have a parallel port, I am just saying that I think the way they communicate is different
[06:15] <topyli> benkong2: i get those sometimes too. i just remove them :)
[06:15] <Heimdall_linux> is there a gnuplot master in the room ? or is there a gnuplot channel on irc ?
[06:15] <jasontech> Like the special parallel port drivers for sane
[06:15] <tanki> what games do you like to play
[06:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> GTA, NWN (use linux for that), Morrowind,
[06:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> used to be a COD player until the community went kaboom over here -_-
[06:16] <tanki> did you hear about that mini-game in GTA san adreas
[06:16] <reka> Heimdall_linux: why not just put the question out there...someone might pipe up.
[06:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> what mini game. There are so much mini games in that game :)
[06:16] <Heimdall_linux> reka, because it is a little difficult to explain ... :-/
[06:16] <tanki> hillary clinton is going to sue rockstar games if it turns out rockstar included the code for it
[06:17] <teferi> the one that you have to hack the game to see
[06:17] <teferi> she's not going to sue, she's not even going to put a bill on the floor about it
[06:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow _that_ mini game :)
[06:17] <teferi> it's all just posturing
[06:17] <teferi> i'll lay money on it
[06:17] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, there's a sex-game in there, u know when he meets his girlfriend
[06:17] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all!
[06:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah, i know
[06:17] <reka> Heimdall_linux: oh :)
[06:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> didn't know it was a game tho :D thought you were talking about the pool and things like that
[06:17] <jasontech> Anyone know of a good IRC server where I can talk about cars
[06:18] <jasontech> And what channel
[06:18] <Heimdall_linux> reka, yeah... :-/ this is why I asked for a master :)
[06:18] <crimsun> reka: pong
[06:18] <reka> crimsun: hehe
[06:19] <reka> Skrot: ping
[06:19] <reka> crimsun: Skrot had sound probs
[06:19] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4682533.stm lol
[06:19] <crimsun> reka: k
[06:19] <reka> crimsun: so i deferred him to you mighty sound guru. :)
[06:20] <crimsun> pssht ;)
[06:20] <Mad-boy> Anybody knows is there anx wap sites on linux?
[06:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[06:21] <Mad-boy> Nobody knows?
[06:21] <delire> nice and quiet in here, obviously everyone's stopped trying to upgrade to breezy prematurely ;)
[06:21] <topyli> Mad-boy: i'd like all sites to have a wap version. web is too painful on my phone :)
[06:22] <reka> delire: no such luck..few people with breezy troubles dropped by
[06:22] <reka> *a few
[06:22] <delire> reka: hehe
[06:22] <Mad-boy> Is breezy out yet?
[06:22] <topyli> heh
[06:22] <tanki> topyli, i ran into a cool site if you want the link, it's a good portal for surfing the web through your cell
[06:23] <jadugar> Mad-boy: breezy is currently in development
[06:23] <CountDown> reka, jasontech: Seems like I need to remove the lp module and add the ppdev module.  This creates the /dev/parport0 device.  In case you were wondering.  :)
[06:23] <topyli> tanki: web? ok, let's have a look
[06:23] <Mad-boy> I  want
[06:23] <Mad-boy> Link
[06:24] <reka> CountDown: well done
[06:24] <tanki> topyli, http://www.iyhy.com/
[06:24] <jasontech> Interesting... I'm not all familiar with parallel ports in Linux, never used them
[06:25] <benkong2> is there a apt-get search command or something similiar? I can't find anywhere in the docs that says so?
[06:25] <delire> jasontech: i'm pleased to have forgotten all about parports
[06:25] <tanki> topyli, strips out everything but text and links for better surfing on your cell phone plus it's free
[06:25] <reka> benkong2: apt-cache search
[06:25] <delire> benkong2: yes, apt-cache search <keyword>
[06:25] <topyli> tanki: nice layout
[06:25] <benkong2> reka; delire ; super thanks
[06:25] <jasontech> I stick to network printing
[06:25] <reka> benkong2: then apt-cache show <package>
[06:25] <delire> benkong2: then, once you have found a package, apt-cache show <packagename>
[06:25] <delire> reka: ;)
[06:26] <will__> repeat!
[06:26] <reka> delire: now that's teamwork
[06:26] <topyli> tanki: i have a large display (a nokia commie) though, but this may be fast too :)
[06:26] <jasontech> The only place I have used a tethered printer is in my truck, but that is USB
[06:26] <sh0k> crimsun: ur here?
[06:26] <crimsun> sh0k: ?
[06:26] <delire> reka: hehe, however you do realise the only reason you got in there first is due to network latency ;)
[06:26] <reka> delire: or plagiarism
[06:26] <sh0k> Garrison said me u know much about audio & linux
[06:27] <tanki> i find even on my large screen it takes forever to load a page
[06:27] <delire> reka: muarharhar..
[06:27] <reka> delire: not bloody likely....i'm on a dialup modem
[06:27] <crimsun> sh0k: I know a little
[06:27] <sh0k> u maybe can help me to get my nForce soundcard get workin?
[06:27] <will__> faster typing
[06:27] <delire> reka: ;) wifi in a bar here. ok you win.
[06:27] <jasontech> Anyone get a Dell Photo Printer 720 working in Linux?
[06:27] <reka> :)
[06:27] <jasontech> Ubuntu I mean
[06:27] <MilitantDK> Hi, Is there a mailinglist for ubuntu-users? I've found the sounder list, but don't know if that's the one to use?
[06:28] <delire> jasontech: i think that is supported by gimp-print. then http://localhost:631, add printer and see if you can find it in the list.
[06:28] <topyli> tanki: it works! thanks
[06:28] <delire> jasontech: http://localhost:631 might as well be aliased "Printer services". it's a good one-stop-shop for setting up and configuring printers, checking print jobs etc.
[06:29] <jasontech> Well, it is basically a Lexmark Z615... I could never make it work in Warty, but I have tried Hoary
[06:29] <jasontech> haven't tried I mean
[06:29] <jasontech> I've yet to put hoary on my lapto
[06:30] <pulk> has anyone idea why setting sensor limits fail on boot with reason "no sensors found"? it works well if I do it manually after boot.
[06:30] <delire> jasontech: things are pretty good for linux and printing these days. give it a try and let us know. see http://cups.org and check if it's in the list first however.
[06:30] <delire> pulk: perhaps it
[06:31] <delire> pulk: perhaps it's apm getting in the way or are you using acpi?
[06:31] <pulk> hmm
[06:31] <khimura27> hello
[06:31] <khimura27> is there a french on the channel?
[06:31] <delire> pulk: does seem odd..
[06:31] <pulk> i am using acpi
[06:31] <Will_> The French? Here?
[06:31] <Will_> *looks under a rock*
[06:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> no khimura27 , only english please :)
[06:31] <khimura27> ok
[06:31] <khimura27> it will be harder ...
[06:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> heh :)
[06:32] <Will_> I'm far too excited over harry potter today
[06:32] <mumbles> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/232514_msftarfa14.html
[06:32] <mumbles> mah
[06:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> i'm sure there is a french ubuntu channel somewhere. But don't ask me where
[06:32] <khimura27> lol
[06:32] <khimura27> thanks
[06:32] <delire> pulk: hmm perhaps it might be a good idea to put it in a /etc/init.d script (a bit annoying though). otherwise is there any interesting output in dmesg?
[06:32] <mumbles> yeh
[06:32] <reka> #ubuntu-fr
[06:32] <khimura27> do tou know where i could have some help about x window?
[06:32] <pulk> it is in an init script
[06:33] <khimura27> thnaks reka
[06:33] <khimura27> it works
[06:33] <delire> khimura27: reka's suggestion seems like a good idea. the channel is quite busy.
[06:33] <pulk> i edited the script so that it writes everything into a log but all I got was "no sensors found"
[06:33] <delire> pulk: try moving the script to another runlevel?
[06:33] <sJaM> #ubuntu-fr is the french channel
[06:33] <pulk> hmm
[06:33] <tanki> is today bastille day
[06:34] <pulk> that could do it
[06:34] <khimura27> i just a noob ...
[06:34] <khimura27> sorry all
[06:34] <khimura27> i'm moving
[06:34] <delire> khimura27: don't be sorry!
[06:34] <Bubbling_Zombie> you can even stay here !
[06:34] <Bubbling_Zombie> _AND_ go to the french channel :F
[06:35] <khimura27> lol
[06:35] <khimura27> why not
[06:35] <Will_> Why do people assume calling themselves new, newbs or noobs makes them more endearing?
[06:35] <khimura27> can't understand ...
[06:35] <sJaM> because it is a good excuse
[06:35] <sJaM> to mess up
[06:35] <khimura27> my english is poor
[06:35] <sJaM> and do stupid things
[06:35] <khimura27> mess up?
[06:35] <khimura27> where is my dictionnary ^^
[06:35] <sJaM> what is a dictionnary ?
[06:36] <jasontech> Well, must go work on my gear box in my truck, adios
[06:36] <delire> khimura27: "mess up" == make mistakes (in english slang)
[06:36] <reka> jasontech: oy
[06:36] <Will_> Being new isn't an excuse. Asking for help is fine, and admitting a lack of understanding. But people seem to wear it as a badge, allowing them to be ignorant, and expecting hand holding
[06:36] <sJaM> or it wasn't ironically ment ?
[06:36] <sJaM> that what I ment Will_
[06:36] <tanki> if anybody grabs my hand i'm going to scream
[06:36] <khimura27> thanks delire
[06:37] <delire> khimura27: anytime
[06:37] <sJaM> but it is the lack of understanding I think of linux
[06:37] <tanki> i have intimacy issues
[06:37] <delire> what an intimate thing to say
[06:37] <khimura27> Will_>i'm new with linuk and ubuntu
[06:37] <sJaM> you don't know what to do
[06:37] <sh0k> hi, anyone can help me with setting my soundcard properly up? i got a nforce 2 sound card
[06:37] <khimura27> so i'm a noob
[06:37] <khimura27> no???
[06:37] <sJaM> and how to do things
[06:37] <benkong2> when i issue a route command I don't see localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> I do see my internal machine address of <IP_ADDRESS>. I am trying to configure mail what did I do wrong?
[06:37] <sh0k> my ALSA isnt working properly
[06:37] <kbrooks> reka:
[06:38] <kbrooks> reka: command for java again please.
[06:38] <reka> kbrooks:
[06:38] <reka> kbrooks: the one Seveas did?
[06:38] <Will_> Gah. Nevermind. I'll write a wikipage
[06:38] <kbrooks> Yeah.
[06:39] <reka> for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[06:39] <tanki> i can't say wiki with a straight face
[06:39] <kbrooks> ok
[06:39] <reka> kbrooks: changing it?
[06:39] <kbrooks> No...
[06:39] <kbrooks> er
[06:39] <kbrooks> changing what?
[06:40] <tanki> Bradly do you have the annual earnings report completed yet? Yes sir, I just updated it on the wiki
[06:40] <mumbles> :p
[06:40] <reka> i assumed the wiki...
[06:40] <Spec> About how much space does a standard ubuntu-server install use?
[06:40] <mumbles> i devolged into the wiki ?
[06:40] <midg3t> spec, 130 MB ballpark
[06:41] <kbrooks> reka: I will.
[06:41] <dataw0lf> stop touching my wiki!
[06:41] <midg3t> i could be wrong
[06:41] <herzi> the ubuntu installation freezes when craeting the ext3 partition on a sata drive with a sempron machine
[06:41] <Spec> midg3t: thanks
[06:41] <will__> oh dear
[06:41] <reka> tanki: we used a wiki for our project...useful tool
[06:42] <tanki> reka, what's the difference between a wiki and digg?
[06:42] <reka> four letters?
[06:43] <Spec> ubuntu failed to autodetect/load BusLogic.o :-/
[06:43] <Spec> (on installation cd)
[06:43] <tanki> http://digg.com/
[06:44] <lesshaste>  am I right in thinking that ffmpeg can't play/decode real videos?
[06:44] <Heimdall_linux> is there a gnuplot master in the room ? or is there a gnuplot channel on irc ?
[06:44] <mumbles> right
[06:44] <mumbles> im off for the weekend
[06:44] <tanki> cu mum
[06:44] <Spec> So ubuntu can easily install on a half gig disk?
[06:44] <reka> tanki: so sort of a super-wiki?
[06:45] <tanki> reka, yeah that's what i'm thinking because wiki came first but it seems digg's are very popular
[06:45] <reka> Spec: 350 minimal, 1.8GB typical
[06:45] <reka> Spec: off the packaging
[06:45] <Spec> 512 it is ^.~
[06:46] <reka> tanki: first i heard of them :-/
[06:46] <tanki> reka, i'm getting more into podcasts both audio and video.. less reading than blogs :)
[06:46] <reka> Spec: minimal probably means sever install
[06:46] <reka> *server
[06:46] <Spec> reka: yeap
[06:46] <tanki> reka, diggnation.com, systm.org, fromtheshadows.tv, twit.tv, all are sites i visit frequently, check them out you might like them too
[06:47] <tanki> i'm going to lunch, bbl
[06:47] <reka> heh....here i am only frequenting slashdot
[06:48] <Gourami> Hi all, is it possible to swith one of the workspaces to an external screen and one of the workspaces to the monitor of a laptop ?
[06:48] <Gourami> switch
[06:51] <Gourami> Hi all, is it possible to switch one of the workspaces to an external screen and one of the workspaces to the monitor of a laptop ?
[06:51] <topyli> Spec: not much room for data though on that disk
[06:52] <reka> Gourami: we heard the first time...if someone knows they'll answer. :)
[06:52] <Spec> topyli: I'm only gonna be running stress tests
[06:52] <Gourami> reka: I know someone knows, just waiting for them to speak up
[06:53] <delire> Gourami: xinerama
[06:53] <delire> Gourami: kind of ;)
[06:53] <Gourami> hmm ind of ?
[06:53] <Gourami> hmm kind of ?
[06:54] <delire> Gourami: xinerama is a slightly different approach, and really extends one workspace across two screens
[06:54] <delire> Gourami: but the 'workspace' is an extended desktop
[06:54] <vontrapp> it seems to be getting more frequent, too
[06:54] <reka> vontrapp: trouser-wise? :)
[06:55] <vontrapp> i'll apt-get a package and it will complain of a size mismatch and fail
[06:55] <reka> delire: i thought it was a good description :)
[06:55] <vontrapp> i _can_ then dpkg -i the package from the partial dir, but that makes me leary
[06:56] <Gourami> oh I c, I would like to get a workspace onto another monitor
[06:56] <vontrapp> i try updating and installing again and again, and still the size mismatch persists
[06:56] <Discipulus> vontrapp, are you using us.archive ?
[06:56] <ALexBO> i've some problems with oracle. can anybody help me?
[06:56] <reka> vontrapp: might be something with your repo list
[06:56] <sh0k> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[06:56] <delire> reka: bah ;)
[06:56] <sh0k> what that means?
[06:56] <apokryphos> Discipulus: I don't think that mirror is down anymore, is it/
[06:57] <vontrapp> Discipulus: no, not us.archive, just left the us off
[06:57] <delire> Gourami: this would be nice, i have never looked into this.
[06:57] <vontrapp> i was having problems with it a while back
[06:57] <Discipulus> apokryphos, as far as I know there are still problems with it, although I could be wrong
[06:57] <vontrapp> maybe i'll put it back on now
[06:57] <Discipulus> apokryphos, and better to be safe than sorry
[06:57] <apokryphos> Discipulus: no longer in /topic too...
[06:57] <Discipulus> *shrug*
[06:58] <Discipulus> I never saw it in /topic ...
[06:58] <Discipulus> they need to add "never say ubuntuguide.com" in the topic...
[06:59] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[06:59] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[06:59] <Gourami> delire have you used xinerama, I have tried to man both xinerama and libxinerama (which shows installed in synaptic) but no response
[06:59] <reka> Discipulus: :)
[06:59] <sJaM> and it uses backports standard
[06:59] <reka> sJaM: exactly
[06:59] <Discipulus> reka, yea, but it isn't kickban for saying it...
[06:59] <delire> Gourami: yes i have, though years ago. i followed this howto. http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/Xinerama-HOWTO/en/index.html
[07:00] <sJaM> I fell for it also
[07:00] <sJaM> and well installed java
[07:00] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: yeah, that's a great idea.  Way to uphold the Ubuntu ideology.
[07:00] <reka> Discipulus: heh...bit harsh for newbies who mistakenly directed themselves there
[07:00] <Gourami> thank you delire
[07:00] <sJaM> but it also wanted to update a lot of other packages
[07:00] <Virtuall> ...why isn't there gcc in the default install?
[07:01] <Discipulus> reka, so?
[07:01] <vontrapp> ... any ideas when alsa 1.0.9 will be in hoary?
[07:01] <Discipulus> reka, it should at least be in topic
[07:01] <dataw0lf> Virtuall: apt-get install build-essential
[07:01] <Andares> What's ubuntuguide.com?
[07:01] <Gourami> lol
[07:01] <dataw0lf> Virtuall: it's not there because of the projected user base.
[07:01] <Gourami> and this time Discipulus started it
[07:01] <dataw0lf> i.e., users.  Not developers.
[07:01] <sJaM> do not awake the sleeping dogs hehe
[07:02] <Discipulus> Gourami, WTF are you talking about?
[07:02] <Virtuall> imo everybody needs gcc
[07:02] <sh0k> Garrison: ur here?
[07:02] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: probably talking about how you're trolling for an argument involving ubuntuguide versus the wiki
[07:02] <Gourami> talking about it just makes ppl ask about it and hence talk about it...shush about it !
[07:02] <Discipulus> Virtuall, it's on the cd
[07:02] <devios> Virtuall: apt-get install build-essential
[07:02] <Discipulus> dataw0lf, no, I'm not, I just think it should be in the topic
[07:03] <Virtuall> devios, thank you again
[07:03] <devios> Virtuall: I've not yet used a compiler since using Ubuntu
[07:03] <reka> Discipulus: yes, imo it should be in the topic....but a kickban for directing someone there is over the top.....just ask kbrooks...he would've been kiickbanned before he saw the light.  now he's helping people out in here just fine.
[07:03] <Gourami> why dont you think to someone who controls the topic
[07:03] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: How about everyone decides what's a best fit for the user who needs help.
[07:03] <Discipulus> dataw0lf, minus ubuntuguide
[07:03] <ginvent> I try to compile a program and get: checking for shared library run path origin... /bin/sh: ./config.rpath: No such file or directory   I have all the things it says it needs installed... any suggestions?
[07:04] <Virtuall> devios, well, styles differ
[07:04] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: + whatever makes sense.
[07:04] <devios> lol everyone HATES the ubuntuguide in here...  I still think that the wiki lacks adequate explanation for *some* of the useful info in ubuntuguide...
[07:04] <dataw0lf> devios: there's irrationality on both sides, we just had to lock a topic on the forums because of it.
[07:05] <devios> hahahaha
[07:05] <m411iq> how do i mount a second har drive?
[07:05] <m411iq> hard drive
[07:05] <devios> distro policy in general (not just ubuntu) attracts fanatics similar to those of religion
[07:06] <devios> it's midly amusing when you aren't in the crosshairs.
[07:06] <delire> ginvent: are you sure you have all the *development* libraries (headers etc), and not just the libraries themselves listed in the README? these usually have '-dev' on the end, eg. libxvidcore4-dev vs libxvidcore4
[07:06] <kbrooks> reka: kiCKBAN?
[07:06] <dataw0lf> devios: Yes, but ultimatums such as these just turn people away.    As well as Linux in general.
[07:06] <kbrooks> brb
[07:06] <Zerboxx> Is there a place to easily see what hardware is supported by ubuntu?
[07:06] <goldfish> on the wiki
[07:06] <goldfish> !hardware
[07:06] <ubotu> goldfish: I give up, what is it?
[07:06] <goldfish> hmm.
[07:07] <Razor-X> goldfish: ubotu won't solve all yer problems ;)
[07:07] <delire> Zerboxx: i believe this is on the wiki, yes
[07:07] <goldfish> :)
[07:07] <devios> dataw0lf: agreed...  however, ever try to deal with the pure jerkoffs in #windows and #winxp channels?  they make the linux people look like saints...
[07:07] <jadedstar> devios: lol
[07:07] <m411iq> how do i mount a second hard drive
[07:07] <m411iq> i have a problem with fstab
[07:07] <Razor-X> but, you never know what you can piece together to get working on a Linux machine
[07:07] <Zerboxx> thanks for your help delire & goldfish
[07:07] <Razor-X> m411iq: what's the problem?
[07:07] <dataw0lf> devios: I haven't used Windows in about 5 or 6 years, except for administration of a small amount of 2000/2003 machines here at work
[07:07] <goldfish> Zerboxx: np
[07:08] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: lucky
[07:08] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: Very.
[07:08] <m411iq> when i mount a secon drive i get an error
[07:08] <delire> m411iq: usually i look for the new drive with fdisk -l, create a mount point  and modify /etc/fstab accordindly.
[07:08] <m411iq> that the fs is wrong
[07:08] <Razor-X> I haven't used Linux in a few months, but half of our school runs on WinXP the other half on Mac OS 9
[07:08] <delire> m411iq: what fs is the second hard drive?
[07:08] <jafn> hi
[07:08] <Razor-X> m411iq: and what's the mount command you use?
[07:08] <m411iq> ntfs
[07:09] <dataw0lf> mount -t ntfs /dev/hd<whatever> /mount/point
[07:09] <delire> m411iq: have you tried doing it from the command line?
[07:09] <delire> m411iq: dataw0lf has the right suggestion.
[07:09] <Razor-X> don't forget the '-o umask=0222' so that the lay user can use it too
[07:09] <gigaclon> is there way to install ubuntu, with the ubuntu CD, and install KDE instead of GNOME?
[07:09] <m411iq> yes however i get an error
[07:09] <jafn> how can i make an ubuntu machine to lesson a wins server?
[07:09] <Razor-X> gigaclon: use the Kubuntu CD
[07:09] <delire> gigaclon: see 'kubuntu'
[07:09] <reka> Razor-X: we only had 2 macs at our school 4 years ago...for graphics
[07:09] <Razor-X> or get Kubuntu later
[07:09] <jafn> i mean listen a wins server
[07:09] <m411iq> and when i switch it to fat it doesnt mount
[07:10] <Razor-X> m411iq: of course not, it's an NTFS drive
[07:10] <delire> gigaclon: you can just go ahead and install ubuntu and then 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[07:10] <delire> ISTR
[07:10] <Razor-X> ISTR?
[07:10] <Razor-X> never heard that one before
[07:10] <delire> m411iq: try dataw0lf's suggestion and let us know.
[07:10] <Razor-X> new netspeak's been surfacing.... like TMI..... *shrugs*
[07:10] <delire> Razor-X: I Seem To Recall
[07:10] <dataw0lf> wow.
[07:10] <Razor-X> ahhh, I thought that was IIRC, If I Recall Correctly
[07:11] <reka> Razor-X: heard of the program 'wtf'?
[07:11] <delire> Razor-X: that's about ten years old
[07:11] <Razor-X> reka: nopes
[07:11] <m411iq> ok
[07:11] <dataw0lf> how about LTJEO ?
[07:11] <Razor-X> delire: well, it's become deprecated then ;)
[07:11] <delire> Razor-X: as is IMHO, and IMO
[07:11] <dataw0lf> 'Let's Just Type Everything Out'
[07:11] <reka> Razor-X: install bsdgames
[07:11] <Razor-X> I'm not versed in netspeak, and I won't kid myself I am
[07:11] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: good advice ;)
[07:11] <Razor-X> reka: are they nice games?
[07:11] <delire> my new favourite is WTFM == Write The F***ing Manual
[07:11] <pepsi> LJTEO
[07:11] <reka> delire: really?  i still use iirc
[07:12] <delire> pepsi: what?
[07:12] <Razor-X> my peers, on the other hand, talk like "OMG, R U THR?!?1"
[07:12] <goldfish> delire: hah
[07:12] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: aolbonics.
[07:12] <reka> Razor-X: you can use 'wtf' to work out wtf people are saying :)
[07:12] <dataw0lf> see, that's what you should be attacking in here.
[07:12] <Razor-X> yeah, sad
[07:12] <dataw0lf> not ubuntuguide.
[07:12] <Razor-X> reka: oh, awesome!
[07:12] <m411iq> the same error
[07:12] <goldfish> OMFG LOIKE WTF CYBAR??!?!!?
[07:12] <Razor-X> see, i'm 15, at my age, we're all supposed to be idiots
[07:12] <reka> hehe
[07:12] <delire> reka: yep, that's an oldie
[07:12] <dataw0lf> a/s/l a/s/l a/s/l?!?!11?
[07:12] <goldfish> dataw0lf: :)
[07:12] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: hahahaha!
[07:13] <dataw0lf> ;)
[07:13] <delire> m411iq: paste the error in a pastebin
[07:13] <delire> dataw0lf: ;)
[07:13] <Razor-X> ok, enough ranting in #ubuntu, offtopic channel's for this stuff
[07:13] <dataw0lf> uh oh, fire fightin' time.  bbiab
[07:13] <reka> WHaT AbOuT WheN ThEY TYpe Like thiS?
[07:13] <Razor-X> reka: even worse
[07:13] <Razor-X> or, the new 1337 dialect, ub3r 1337
[07:14] <goldfish> haha
[07:14] <delire> reka: either a nervous disorder in the little finger in their left hand or they are consciously being annoying.
[07:14] <Razor-X> like, when they use all these unicode characters as 1337
[07:14] <Razor-X> fsucking pisses me off
[07:14] <delire> Razor-X: good for passwords however
[07:14] <pepsi> Razor-X: j00 4r3 teh L4m3 1F u c4n7 7yp3 L1k3 7h15!@%$
[07:14] <Razor-X> delire: true that
[07:14] <goldfish> pepsi: :)
[07:14] <Razor-X> pepsi: s0rry
[07:15] <goldfish> omfg, it's loike being on teh cybarweb.
[07:15] <pepsi> ;)
[07:15] <delire> Razor-X: the important thing is to only use the substitution rules *some* of the time, especially in a passphrase.
[07:15] <reka> delire: i've seen people get an irc client that does it for them. :-/
[07:15] <Razor-X> ! 4|\/| |\|07 \/\/0r76y
[07:15] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Razor-X
[07:15] <delire> reka: lol, true?
[07:15] <m411iq> ok its in the paste bin
[07:15] <m411iq> the erro and fdisk
[07:15] <Razor-X> delire: heh, true that
[07:15] <reka> lol
[07:15] <delire> m411iq: which one?
[07:15] <Razor-X> m411iq: what's the URL?
[07:15] <reka> delire: yep.  cheetahchat iirc
[07:16] <delire> reka: eewww
[07:16] <delire> reka: lu5er5
[07:16] <reka> hehe
[07:16] <m411iq> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/595
[07:16] <reka> delire: meanwhile i've been in here for three hours. :-/
[07:16] <delire> m411iq: what was the command you gave?
[07:17] <delire> reka: hehe, i hope the weather is shite outside.
[07:17] <reka> well, it's 3am
[07:17] <m411iq>  mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
[07:17] <delire> reka: ahah. go to bed man
[07:17] <Razor-X> anyone have a nice Dvorak keymap for nethack?
[07:18] <delire> m411iq: type 'fdisk -l | grep NTFS' and paste the output here.
[07:18] <reka> vontrapp: i still have a feeling it might have something to do with your repo list.  can you post it to a pstebin?
[07:18] <delire> m411iq: or perhaps 'fdisk -l | grep ntfs'
[07:18] <Razor-X> yeah, that would be a nice idea
[07:18] <vontrapp> where's pastebin?
[07:18] <Razor-X> my sources.list is awesome ;)
[07:19] <Razor-X> vontrapp: read the topic ;)
[07:19] <reka> vontrapp: there's one in the topic
[07:19] <Razor-X> 62 lines baby!
[07:19] <delire> m411iq: bah that won't work. you can't grep against fdisk
[07:19] <delire> m411iq: just 'fdisk -l
[07:19] <goldfish> just do fdisk =l
[07:19] <Razor-X> delire: you can grep against anything with stdout, can't you?
[07:19] <delire> m411iq: and then give the appropriate line.
[07:19] <othernoob> m411iq: just do what i told you ;)
[07:20] <delire> Razor-X: yes, it should work.
[07:21] <vontrapp> pasted
[07:22] <vontrapp> i.e. downloads from ubuntu repo, but checks size against unstable repo
[07:22] <Razor-X> poningru: if only it was real..... if only
[07:23] <reka> vontrapp: i'd remove marillat
[07:23] <Razor-X> vontrapp: URL?
[07:23] <Razor-X> vontrapp: or, at least comment it out
[07:23] <reka> vontrapp: and what are those xmission ones?
[07:24] <vontrapp> the xmission ones are debian unstable
[07:24] <vontrapp> i have those pinned at 200
[07:24] <Razor-X> vontrapp: ............
[07:24] <reka> Razor-X: there's a link at paste.ubuntulinux.nl's recent posts
[07:24] <Razor-X> aren't you _not_ supposed to have Debian repos?
[07:24] <vontrapp> i added it to get the latest alsa, which R0x0rS!!
[07:24] <Razor-X> reka: there were two pastebins, wasn't sure which he posted it to
[07:24] <Razor-X> vontrapp: now, remove it ;)
[07:25] <vontrapp> :(
[07:25] <reka> Razor-X: yep, afaik, it's a no-no to mix debian with ubuntu
[07:25] <reka> am i right people?
[07:25] <delire> yeeesss reka
[07:25] <vontrapp> it shouldn't cause a size mismatch for a package downloaded from ubuntu
[07:25] <Razor-X> reka: insofar of what I know, yeah
[07:25] <vontrapp> it's a bug
[07:25] <delire> vontrapp: yes it can
[07:25] <reka> lol
[07:25] <Razor-X> vontrapp: yes it can
[07:25] <Razor-X> and can break a lot of your system too
[07:25] <wolki> hi!
[07:25] <Razor-X> Debian != Ubuntu
[07:26] <reka> wolki: hello perky
[07:26] <vontrapp> i KNOW, but it's not the debian package that size mismatches
[07:26] <delire> vontrapp: Thou must trust thy Friendly Ubuntu Overlords.
[07:26] <vontrapp> it's the UBUNTU package that fails
[07:26] <poningru> I for one welcom my friendly Ubuntu Overlords
[07:26] <reka> lol
[07:27] <reka> gotta love kent brockman
[07:27] <goldfish> hah
[07:27] <poningru> hehe so true
[07:27] <vontrapp> Oh Ubuntu Overlords, I humbly request alsa1.0.9 to be available in ubuntu
[07:27] <devios> haha
[07:28] <poningru> the ants will get into the equipment
[07:28] <poningru> all hail the rod
[07:28] <Razor-X> vontrapp: ask crimsun that
[07:28] <reka> :)
[07:28] <Razor-X> he maintains the sound packages
[07:28] <Razor-X> and is our Ubuntu sound guru
[07:28] <jadedstar> anyone else getting "ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"?
[07:29] <Razor-X> jadedstar: Marrilat is deprecated
[07:29] <Razor-X> it's suggested to comment/remove it out of your sources.list
[07:29] <Razor-X> s/Marrilat/marillat/
[07:30] <delire> it's a bloody hard word to type for some reason.
[07:30] <jadedstar> Razor-X: Thanks.
[07:30] <Razor-X> delire: that too ;)
[07:31] <devios> i wish that there was a way to put ubuntu in charge of managing everyone's /etc/apt/source.list file...  it's the most unfriendly aspect of ubuntu that I've dealt with.
[07:31] <vontrapp> naughty repo mixing aside, why would apt download one package from one source, and check it against another source, and if that's not what's happening, then what is going on?
[07:31] <dataw0lf> devios: heh.
[07:31] <kbrooks> devios, synaptic?
[07:31] <delire> devios: do you use synaptic?
[07:31] <dataw0lf> I always thought source.list was rather.. simple to use.
[07:31] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: shouldn't happen.
[07:32] <vontrapp> but it does...
[07:32] <delire> devios: think of synaptic like an eMule for packages and it all makes sense ;)
[07:32] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: got a pastebin link for meh?
[07:32] <vontrapp> for my sources.list?
[07:32] <dataw0lf> of errors.
[07:32] <GrammatonCleric> devios: that sounds almost mickysoft-ish
[07:32] <devios> I do, but that doesn't help me when the backports repository in my sources.list file goes belly-up
[07:32] <dj28> vontrapp: if you're getting md5sum errors, then there's nothing wrong on your end
[07:32] <Razor-X> devios: no!
[07:32] <vontrapp> pasted
[07:32] <Razor-X> I love my 62 line sources.list
[07:32] <dj28> it's a problem with the US repository
[07:33] <delire> vontrapp: i thought you were getting size mismatch errors?
[07:33] <reka> Razor-X: we heard. *rolls eyes*
[07:33] <devios> I think that most people in this irc channel would want to be capable of manual mgmt, but most other ubuntu users would like to be able to download a new sources file when things change...
[07:33] <delire> Razor-X: lol. you're insane
[07:33] <vontrapp> delire: that's what it is
[07:33] <Razor-X> delire: so?
[07:33] <delire> vontrapp: any marillat in there, or debian repo's?
[07:34] <Razor-X> my system hasn't "broked" once ;)
[07:34] <delire> Razor-X: good answer
[07:34] <vontrapp> i've since removed marilat
[07:34] <delire> vontrapp: did you apt-get update?
[07:34] <vontrapp> but debian is stillin  there
[07:34] <vontrapp> yep
[07:34] <Gourami> in which package can I find a cure for the common cold ?
[07:34] <reka> Razor-X: not even a tiny bit?
[07:34] <Razor-X> reka: nopes ;)
[07:34] <_DuDe_> Hello there all, I am kinda a Linux n00b, but I need help.
[07:34] <aio> has anyone tried to run luminocity under ubuntu?
[07:34] <teferi> hm, now the joke's on me
[07:34] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: ask away
[07:34] <reka> Gourami: chicken-soup
[07:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here use kpilot?
[07:35] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: don't worry about the debian repos, delete the partial deb, then try to update again.
[07:35] <teferi> let's see how xlibs is broken today...
[07:35] <delire> vontrapp: you shouldn't use debian repo's at all..
[07:35] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if my Palm still worked... I would ;)
[07:35] <_DuDe_> Ok, first off, does ubuntu have a Shell?
[07:35] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: (partial deb in /var/cache/apt/archive, I know you know your stuff)
[07:35] <delire> _DuDe_: yes, bash by default
[07:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Razor-X why won't it synch with kontact? do you still know?
[07:35] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: not 100%... no
[07:36] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: of course
[07:36] <_DuDe_> Where can I find it?
[07:36] <Razor-X> without a shell, there would be _no_ GUI
[07:36] <delire> _DuDe_: but you can install <cough>zsh</cough> or-some-other-shell if you like.
[07:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Razor-X it's weard it lets me backup the data but no synch with kontact >.<
[07:36] <Razor-X> delire: I was thinking of doing that
[07:36] <delire> tis lovely
[07:36] <_DuDe_> Like a shell to use an EggDrop?
[07:36] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: maybe that's not a feature yet
[07:36] <vontrapp> same thing
[07:36] <Razor-X> I never organize my stuff... so...
[07:36] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: EggDrop?
[07:36] <Razor-X> "organization" is overrated
[07:36] <_DuDe_> It is a type of IRC bot
[07:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Razor-X maybe, but do i need to set up kontact first?
[07:37] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I'ld think so
[07:37] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: alright, try several --fix-missing's, it might eventually get the whole file.
[07:37] <_DuDe_> http://www.egghelp.org/shell.htm < The info I got all this from
[07:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[07:37] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: whasss up
[07:37] <delire> _DuDe_: yes that is useable by you in Ubuntu
[07:38] <_DuDe_> Thanks
[07:38] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: personally, to me, it sounds like a problem with the repos updating themselves, and you catching them in the middle of that.  I could be wrong though.
[07:38] <vontrapp> ok, i give in, i comment the debian sources, and it happily installs, so basically, when one source has a package of same name as another source, but different size, you get a size mismatch
[07:39] <delire> vontrapp: i'd say get rid of all the *non-supported* repo's and then start debugging.
[07:39] <reka> hehe
[07:39] <Razor-X> haha, I just met a Mac user in denial
[07:39] <devios> devios@ubuntu:~$ xcompmgr
[07:39] <devios> No composite extension
[07:39] <vontrapp> devios: add this to xorg.conf
[07:39] <Razor-X> "OMG, NO, Mac won't be for x86! Intel will make PPC"
[07:39] <Razor-X> i'm like, no, it's the other way 'round
[07:40] <vontrapp> Section "Extensions"
[07:40] <vontrapp>   Option "Composite" "Enable"
[07:40] <vontrapp> EndSection
[07:40] <Razor-X> and then counterproof I gave
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: heh
[07:40] <Razor-X> and he's like "I don't care...."
[07:40] <vontrapp> note: for me, it kills x when i run xcompmgr, but you may be more lucky
[07:40] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:40] <topyli> Razor-X: i'm sure someone will make ppc chips still, and there will be ppc linux :)
[07:41] <Razor-X> topyli: probably will
[07:41] <Razor-X> but, hey, Mac users can stop boasting their ub3r processors, heh
[07:41] <Razor-X> live with 6 registers, like the rest of us ;)
[07:41] <topyli> Razor-X: your mac user can use gnome then =)
[07:41] <mcquaid> not really ubuntu related just curious if anyone has dealt with software mixing for games like q3/et and teamspeak
[07:41] <Razor-X> topyli: hah
[07:41] <devios> vontrapp: anyway to restart x after making those changes without rebooting?
[07:42] <topyli> soothe him with that :)
[07:42] <Razor-X> actually... 8 registers
[07:42] <WckdKl0wn> anyone here have experience with unrealircd?
[07:42] <reka> devios: ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:42] <dataw0lf> devios: ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:42] <mcquaid> from what i've read mmap and fopen support is there now so it should work but can't seem to get it all working together
[07:42] <vontrapp> devios, yes, just kill it (ctrl-alt-bksp)
[07:42] <devios> I'll lose all my work if I do that though, correct?
[07:42] <stan-am> hello averyone
[07:43] <Razor-X> devios: it's suggested you quit all your work
[07:43] <devios> hah
[07:43] <devios> biab
[07:43] <vontrapp> devios: yes, save and close all apps first
[07:43] <stan-am> can anyone tell me how to uninstall jdk??????
[07:43] <Razor-X> quitting my work is as simple as C-x C-c ;)
[07:43] <delire> reka: hehe
[07:43] <vontrapp> :xa
[07:43] <Razor-X> stan-am: if I tell you, will you tell me why you use more than one '?' ?
[07:43] <dataw0lf> :wq
[07:43] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: ewww!
[07:43] <vontrapp> :wqa
[07:44] <Razor-X> stop it, stop it! noooo!!!!!
[07:44] <reka> here we go.... Razor-X's gonna start on emacs
[07:44] <stan-am> Razor-X: my keyboard is fucked
[07:44] <reka> :)
[07:44] <Razor-X> haha, no, i'm immune
[07:44] <Razor-X> I used to be a vi user meself
[07:44] <dataw0lf> ZZ !
[07:44] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: I use vim.
[07:44] <stan-am> Razor-X: a very old one
[07:44] <Razor-X> errr.... *vim
[07:44] <dataw0lf> well, unless I'm on Tru64, then I use vi
[07:44] <Razor-X> stan-am: ahhh, I understand
[07:44] <dataw0lf> and cry quietly.
[07:44] <Razor-X> well, did you install jdk using apt-get
[07:44] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: can't you get at least nvi to work on that thing?
[07:45] <stan-am> acutally i did ./file after I sh it
[07:45] <stan-am> i just followed the instructions in it
[07:45] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: got more important things to do then port nvi to Tru64
[07:45] <dataw0lf> like porting python to Tru64!
[07:45] <Razor-X> stan-am: then just remove it physically from the HDD
[07:45] <dataw0lf> :]
[07:45] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: hehehe
[07:46] <delire> dataw0lf: lol
[07:46] <stan-am> Razor-X: just remove the folder then?
[07:46] <stan-am> Razor-X: cool
[07:46] <stan-am> thnx
[07:46] <Razor-X> what's all this hubub about Ruby?
[07:46] <Slipaway172> i think that new computers will be slim line. amd is thinking about releaseing a cpu that was designed for laptops also for desktops. then they will be Uber silent and will run cold
[07:46] <Razor-X> been hearing it's coming up... Ruby is also the language of RPG Maker XP
[07:46] <dataw0lf> Perl users anxiously looking for a way to get something decent, but not wanting to admit to Python programmers that we're right, Razor-X.
[07:47] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: what's the fun of a laptop chip on a desktop?
[07:47] <dataw0lf> they don't want to give up all their explicit, weird ass characters
[07:47] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: ahhh, I understand
[07:47] <delire> topyli: Lenovo plan to make a PPC line to the ends of selling Linux desktops. there was an article about this on slashdot recently.
[07:47] <Razor-X> I never learned Perl, but I have learned Python
[07:47] <dataw0lf> that looks like Snoopy cursing.
[07:47] <Slipaway172> smaller computer quiter, runs colder and with no lost of power
[07:47] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: less modding opportunities, less overclocking opportunities...
[07:48] <topyli> delire: oh yeah, the chinese guys. i think i read about that
[07:48] <Slipaway172> not so
[07:48] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: I made the switch from Perl to Python about 4 years ago, and my brain (and fingers) have thanked me numerous times.
[07:48] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: heh
[07:48] <Razor-X> LaTeX is uber, that I must say
[07:48] <stan-am> Razor-X: what was that commando u told me to install jdk???
[07:48] <Razor-X> I fell in love with it
[07:48] <Slipaway172> just buy a bigger case and come up with more creative modds and put a bigger fan/HS on the cpu to overclock.
[07:48] <Razor-X> stan-am: rm -f /path/to/jdk
[07:49] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: but, the smaller the chip, the less overclocking potential
[07:49] <topyli> Razor-X: i use lyx/latex and bibtex/pybliographer for everything more than 2 pages :)
[07:49] <stan-am> Razor-X: to the downloaded bin or after sh?
[07:49] <Razor-X> because it'll use less jumpers and such
[07:49] <Razor-X> stan-am: both
[07:49] <Slipaway172> NO
[07:49] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: hmmmmm?
[07:49] <vontrapp> there's far too much action in here for my likes
[07:49] <Slipaway172> like i said just get a better fan/HS
[07:49] <vontrapp> thx guys
[07:49] <Slipaway172> and use ur bios
[07:50] <stan-am> Razor-X: isnt that to remove files??
[07:50] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: do you know the theory of overclocking?
[07:50] <Slipaway172> yes
[07:50] <Razor-X> by routing the CPU to different jumpers, you can change the clock speed of the CPU itself
[07:50] <Razor-X> if a processor is smaller, it uses less jumpers
[07:50] <Razor-X> a BIOS won't fix that
[07:50] <Slipaway172> but still MOST ppl dont OC
[07:50] <stan-am> Razor-X: isnt that to remove files??
[07:50] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: well, yeah, most people go on the internet and play games
[07:51] <Razor-X> stan-am: you said "delete" did you not?
[07:51] <Slipaway172> not in my city
[07:51] <Slipaway172> browse internt and know NOTHING about computers
[07:51] <stan-am> Razor-X: i did delete now im asking that app-get to re-install ir
[07:51] <stan-am> it
[07:51] <Razor-X> well, in most of the world, the average 15-17 year old goes on the internet and plays games
[07:51] <dataw0lf> overclocking is a waste of time.
[07:51] <reka> _DuDe_: you'll get most of this stuff sooner or later.
[07:51] <Razor-X> or plays CS
[07:51] <Razor-X> stan-am: ahhhh
[07:51] <delire> topyli: the performance of PPC should not be judged on OSX benchmarks. the Darwin kernel performs quite poorly under high load situations on the PPC.
[07:51] <Razor-X> stan-am: hold up then
[07:51] <_DuDe_> yea, i know
[07:51] <lcdd> stop overclocking, get a job and buy better hardware
[07:51] <stan-am> Razor-X: sure
[07:51] <Will_> 15-17 was my time of games, avoiding homework and porn.
[07:51] <dataw0lf> lcdd: agreed.
[07:51] <Slipaway172> i did
[07:51] <WckdKl0wn> how would i install a tar.gz file?
[07:51] <_DuDe_> I am just so new to Linux
[07:52] <Will_> Also irc
[07:52] <Razor-X> Will_: i'm 15
[07:52] <dataw0lf> WckdKl0wn: tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[07:52] <WckdKl0wn> i am tryin to setup unrealircd
[07:52] <dataw0lf> cd file
[07:52] <Razor-X> and i'm an avid emacs user ;)
[07:52] <dataw0lf> ./configure
[07:52] <othernoob> Will_ you avoided porn :o
[07:52] <_DuDe_> I got really good at Windows
[07:52] <dataw0lf> make install
[07:52] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: Windows is the kiddie pool
[07:52] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:52] <Will_> Razor-X: I'm 19
[07:52] <topyli> delire: might be. i've always had x86 :)
[07:52] <Razor-X> Will_: well, there you are
[07:52] <Will_> Razor-X: There I am what?
[07:52] <Razor-X> Will_: nevermind
[07:53] <delire> looking at the kernel level optomisations lacking in Darwin on PPC, there are many reasons to believe that Apple consciously degrades performance to boost hardware sales.
[07:53] <WckdKl0wn> how come the folder i untared the file to has a red x on it and a lock?
[07:53] <Razor-X> delire: there's also the thing that PPC has a shitload of registers
[07:53] <Will_> If you are using age as an excuse for ignorance, no dice. There's a 10 year old on /. with an advanced MS qualification... If she can do that, you can learn teh lunicks
[07:53] <reka> _DuDe_: start with this: www.tldp.org
[07:53] <delire> .. yet another reason to distrust centralised development models.
[07:53] <Razor-X> and the x86 has embarrassingly few
[07:53] <Razor-X> Will_: am I using age as ignorance?
[07:53] <_DuDe_> I'll look there, thanks
[07:53] <Razor-X> i'm trying to prove against that
[07:53] <hybrid_goth> i am 14
[07:53] <Will_> Razor-X: Possibly not. I'm using it as a reason to argue
[07:53] <dataw0lf> Will_: have you seen a MCP test?
[07:53] <Razor-X> and, when I was 10, I could do a shitload with Windows ;)
[07:54] <topyli> delire: windows bloat does the same for intel ;)
[07:54] <Will_> dataw0lf: It is not an MCP. Read into the article
[07:54] <Razor-X> I switched to Linux at 11
[07:54] <dataw0lf> Will_: I could get my dog to pass one.
[07:54] <pepsi> zzzzzzzzzz
[07:54] <dataw0lf> Will_: Sure it is, it's just a specific type of MCP.
[07:54] <dataw0lf> Read up.
[07:54] <Will_> Razor-X: I assume by default that people are looking for reasons to be treated with kid gloves. No offense meant
[07:54] <delire> Razor-X: user-level thread management is really poor in Darwin however, Darwin pretends to be a microkernel yet is really a monolithic (arguably faster) kernel design.
[07:54] <pepsi> you guys are kinda boring :P
[07:54] <stan-am> Razor-X: can you help me with the app-get?
[07:54] <WckdKl0wn> how do i compile something?
[07:54] <Razor-X> stan-am: try a apt-cache search jdk
[07:54] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: cd /path/to/compilationfiles
[07:54] <Will_> dataw0lf: Still. As difficult as say...compiling your own kernel, with instructions
[07:55] <Razor-X> make sure to install automake, autoconf, and all the dev libs needed for it
[07:55] <stan-am> sure ll
[07:55] <Razor-X> then ./configure
[07:55] <Razor-X> make
[07:55] <dataw0lf> Will_: easier.
[07:55] <Razor-X> make install
[07:55] <Will_> I've had enough coffee to put that 9 year old down. Do NOT try and argue with me
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, this is what i get when i do that  root@zigzags:/home/admin/Desktop/Unreal3.2 # ./configure
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> You might want to run ./Config or provide some parameters to this script.
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> ./configure --help for information about this script
[07:55] <dataw0lf> Will_: I'm not trying.
[07:55] <dataw0lf> Will_: I am.
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> and i tryed to do ./config and nothing happens
[07:55] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: then try ./configure --help
[07:56] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:56] <julo> hi
[07:56] <Razor-X> and, do you have autoconf?
[07:56] <Razor-X> wait... did you get this of CVS/
[07:56] <Will_> dataw0lf: Where is your position on this, are you a MCSE holder/do you work in that area?
[07:56] <WckdKl0wn> yea there is a autoconf
[07:56] <Razor-X> s/\//?/
[07:56] <julo> I'm using breezy with a french keyboard and SHIFT doesn't seem to work anymore... Is there a way to fix it ?
[07:56] <dataw0lf> Will_: My position is that feeding into MS propaganda probably isn't a good thing to do.
[07:56] <julo> I already had this problem once, and it got fixed by an upgrade.
[07:56] <Razor-X> julo: Breezy's full of broken crap
[07:56] <stan-am> Razor-X: how can i tell if jdk got installed?
[07:57] <Razor-X> stan-am: that doesen't install jdk
[07:57] <dataw0lf> And I'm MCSE, yes.
[07:57] <julo> Razor-X: yes, but that's not what I'm asking :)
[07:57] <Will_> dataw0lf: I've seen some of the stuff she has done. It's not easy, easy. For a 9 year old.
[07:57] <Razor-X> I wanted you to paste that output in pastebin
[07:57] <Razor-X> that's a list of packages that start with "jdk"
[07:57] <dataw0lf> Will_: propaganda.  Again.
[07:57] <WckdKl0wn> does anyone here have experience install unrealircd in linux?
[07:57] <Will_> Perhaps.
[07:57] <topyli> oh please guys
[07:57] <stan-am> Razor-X: and how do i? cause all i see is a license agreement and unpacking thing
[07:58] <dataw0lf> Taking your news from slashdot, which is being taken from MS PR whores, is the equivalent of eating from a dumpster at a chemical factory.
[07:58] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Tell us your problem
[07:58] <Will_> dataw0lf: I take it from lots of places. Do you think the 9 year old did not pass it? Are they lieing? What is your stance?
[07:58] <Razor-X> stan-am: it should be in the repos
[07:58] <Will_> If we are both arguing for the hell of it, we may be here for hours
[07:58] <dataw0lf> Will_: I'm just arguing for the hell of it.
[07:58] <dataw0lf> because it's what I do.
[07:58] <pepsi> Will_: why are you arguing in #ubuntu?
[07:58] <WckdKl0wn> i cant seem to get it installed
[07:58] <Razor-X> paste in pastebin "apt-cache search jdk"
[07:59] <Will_> dataw0lf: Oh baby, we should take this show on the road
[07:59] <WckdKl0wn> i guess it needs to be compiled
[07:59] <dataw0lf> Will_: can there be clowns?
[07:59] <Will_> dataw0lf: And a 1000 elephants!
[07:59] <topyli> Will_, dataw0lf: this is hardly an ubuntu discussion anymore
[07:59] <dataw0lf> and one 9 year old Pakistani girl!
[07:59] <Will_> topyli: Point
[07:59] <Razor-X> ARGUING PEOPLE
[07:59] <Razor-X> go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:59] <teferi> hmm, I can't seem to figure this out
[07:59] <Razor-X> ok?!
[08:00] <Razor-X> teferi: figure what?
[08:00] <teferi> the new xlibs (-42) in breezy seems broken, and it's not the /etc/X11/xkb problem
[08:00] <Will_> Razor-X: Done, thank you
[08:00] <Razor-X> teferi: ahhh... well... Breezy is broken
[08:00] <WckdKl0wn> maybe someone can download it too and walk me through it?
[08:00] <Razor-X> can't really helpt here ;)
[08:00] <stan-am> Razor-X: i got :"libc6-i586 - GNU C- Library:shared libraries
[08:00] <Razor-X> stan-am: that's it?
[08:00] <teferi> Razor-X: i'm well aware of this. i can't seem to figure out what's causing postinst to fail in this case, though
[08:00] <stan-am> Razor-X: yup
[08:00] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Why are you unable to do it yourself? It comes with instructions?
[08:00] <dataw0lf> the forums are going to Hell in a hand basket.
[08:00] <dataw0lf> and I'm going to lunch.
[08:00] <dataw0lf> cya in a bit.
[08:01] <teferi> i pulled postinst out of the package and poked around, can't seem to figure out where hte failure happens
[08:01] <teferi> and, of course, no error message :/
[08:01] <Razor-X> teferi: well... is that the only error message?
[08:01] <WckdKl0wn> will_ i am new to linux.. windows version i didnt have a problem with but when it comes to linux i am lsot
[08:01] <Razor-X> ahhh,]  -_-
[08:01] <Razor-X> s/\] //
[08:01] <teferi> "postinst exited with status 1"
[08:01] <teferi> yeah, irritating
[08:01] <Razor-X> try a gdb on it *shrugs*
[08:01] <stan-am> Razor-X: what can i do now?
[08:01] <teferi> strace gets a little confused by forks
[08:01] <Razor-X> stan-am: do you have Universe and Multiverse in your sources.list?
[08:02] <teferi> and i don't want to *think* about using gdb to trace dpkg...
[08:02] <Heimdall_linux> is there a gnuplot master in the room ? or is there a gnuplot channel on irc ?
[08:02] <Razor-X> teferi: hahaha ;)
[08:02] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: i've used GNUPlot
[08:02] <Razor-X> albeit, i'm not a master
[08:02] <teferi> hm. actually...
[08:02] <stan-am> Razor-X: i have no clue, how can i find out? ( yes, im the newbiest newbie)
[08:02] <Razor-X> just used it off-and-on with Maxima
[08:02] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, well are you familiar with 3D plots ?
[08:02] <Razor-X> stan-am: paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to pastebin
[08:03] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: somewhat
[08:03] <Razor-X> (mmmm, real parts of Klein Bottles ;)
[08:03] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: There are .debs out there, which may work. I'm having a poke about
[08:03] <crazyhorse> anyone can help me with s-ata?
[08:03] <trevi> is possible make a sist-upgrade from warty to hoary with a cd...?
[08:03] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, can I ask you few question though ?
[08:03] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: go ahead
[08:03] <Razor-X> trevi: mmmm?
[08:04] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: again, i've only used GNUPlot through Maxima
[08:04] <Razor-X> (emacs-maxima, to be exact)
[08:04] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, what is Maxima ?
[08:04] <stan-am> Razor-X: i got some lines there, where does it say what i have
[08:04] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: a powerful free CAS
[08:04] <Heimdall_linux> CAS ?
[08:04] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: You've downloaded the tar.gz?
[08:04] <Razor-X> stan-am: paste all of the output into pastebin!
[08:04] <HappyFool> trevi: you can upgrade from warty to hoary with the hoary install cd
[08:04] <WckdKl0wn> yea
[08:04] <Razor-X> try this
[08:04] <Razor-X> errr, paste it
[08:04] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: Computer Algebra System
[08:04] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: And untarred it?
[08:05] <stan-am> Razor-X: here?
[08:05] <Razor-X> stan-am: pastebin
[08:05] <WckdKl0wn> yea but i can open the folder unless i am in root terminal
[08:05] <HappyFool> !pastebin
[08:05] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:05] <WckdKl0wn> and i couldnt untar it in normal terminal
[08:05] <Razor-X> or, read the topic -_-
[08:05] <stan-am> Razor-X: what is pastebin?
[08:05] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Download the file as a normal user, to a home directory
[08:05] <trevi> do I run the hoary installation?
[08:05] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: sudo chmod 771 /path/to/tar
[08:05] <Razor-X> and then
[08:05] <HappyFool> trevi: hang on, i think the wiki has some info on this
[08:06] <trevi> ok
[08:06] <Centaur> my wireless card that was detected in the installation works on my access point at home but at work I can't get connected. Anything I can try?
[08:06] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/tar
[08:06] <stan-am> Razor-X: what is pastebin? or where?
[08:06] <Razor-X> where /path/to/tar is where you untarred
[08:06] <Razor-X> stan-am: read above
[08:06] <Razor-X> !pastebin
[08:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:06] <Razor-X> if you must
[08:06] <stan-am> Razor-X: rite... thnx
[08:06] <ashok> please tell me how to play wmv files
[08:06] <WckdKl0wn> chown: invalid option -- r
[08:07] <HappyFool> !restricted
[08:07] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, well I have a function f(t;xi;T) where t is the variable, xi and T two parameters, I can plot for fixed xi and T the 2D plot f(t), but I'd like to plot f(t;xi) at fixed T, i.e. changin both t AND xi... so I would have some curves on a 3D plot ans I'd like to make a surface with it
[08:07] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:07] <ashok> gxine doesnt recognize wmv format
[08:07] <HappyFool> Razor-X: me! :P
[08:07] <weiers> ok... got Ubuntu installed to dual boot with winblows. Now it does not pick up any sound devices, even though there is an onboard device on the celeron motherboard. How do I go about trying to install sound?
[08:07] <othernoob> ashok: install the w32codecs
[08:07] <ajf> Can I install hoary and use network manager from breezy?
[08:07] <HappyFool> ashok: read the restricted url on the wiki (posted by ubotu above)
[08:07] <ashok> i have it already installed
[08:07] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: hmmm.. Maxima would be useful for that, but you'll have to learn a little bit of syntax
[08:07] <Razor-X> HappyFool: hah
[08:07] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, my input file is formatted as following : t f(t) xi
[08:08] <HappyFool> trevi: try here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:08] <othernoob> ashok: then point your player to /usr/lib/w32  (i think )
[08:08] <Razor-X> i'm navigating this IRC channel through keyboard only
[08:08] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Help me to help you. Tell me what's going on
[08:08] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, I have no much time to learn and install a new software
[08:08] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ ok i got it untared in the home/unreal3.2
[08:08] <Razor-X> and other IRC channels
[08:08] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: sudo apt-get install maxima
[08:08] <Razor-X> that installs Maxima
[08:08] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: CD into the directory and read the README file
[08:08] <Razor-X> and, trust me, it's not that hard to learn
[08:08] <reka> Razor-X: so are irssi users
[08:08] <teferi> foo, evolution-exchange is still broken...
[08:08] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, I can't I'm not root on the machine
[08:08] <Razor-X> reka: _and_ BitchX users
[08:08] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: ahhhh
[08:09] <HappyFool> Razor-X: I think he just wants to draw some pictures, not learn to use a CAS ;)
[08:09] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: hmmm, then try #gnuplot, i'm guessing
[08:09] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, I have o do this with gnuplot
[08:09] <Razor-X> HappyFool: well, what can I do, I use a CAS much more than I use GNUPlot
[08:09] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, it seems there is no irc channel for gnuplot help
[08:09] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: ahhh... hmmmmm
[08:09] <Razor-X> you can try #maxima
[08:09] <Razor-X> and ask about it there
[08:09] <ashok> the restricted formats has no instructions for wmn
[08:09] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, you're right about pictures ;)
[08:09] <ashok> wmv
[08:09] <Razor-X> or even #math
[08:10] <Razor-X> ashok: there's no specific instruction on one format, follow all the instructions
[08:10] <HappyFool> ashok: if you follow those instructions, afaik mplayer will be able to play (some) wmv's
[08:10] <Razor-X> HappyFool: am I the only one who picks up syntax quickly?
[08:10] <Razor-X> I learned GNUPlot in like... 4 hours
[08:10] <weiers> Could somebody give me a pointer as to how to get Ubuntu to recognise a sound device?
[08:10] <Razor-X> errr
[08:10] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, you can see that I already have my 3D plots http://nico.aunai.free.fr/res/T/t.htm but the surface between them is missing
[08:10] <Razor-X> s/GNUPlot/Maxima/
[08:10] <HappyFool> Razor-X: depends how many languages you know
[08:11] <Razor-X> HappyFool: i'm guessing so *shrugs*
[08:11] <HappyFool> ah. i would say that depends if you've used a CAS before -- i found maple very confusing the first time i used it
[08:11] <bojan> hi! i wanted to install netscape, but there is an error message shown: "Couldn't find package libgtk-1.2.so.0
[08:11] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: like I said, I do most of this through the plot2d() and plot3d() functions in Maxima
[08:11] <Razor-X> HappyFool: never did
[08:11] <Heimdall_linux> oh okay
[08:11] <reka> weiers: ask crimsun when he's active
[08:11] <HappyFool> bojan: is there something wrong with firefox?
[08:11] <Razor-X> i'm 15, remember? my main use for a CAS is to observe functions that haven't been explicitly drilled into me
[08:11] <crimsun> weiers: ja?
[08:11] <delire> bojan: did you apt-get update first?
[08:11] <Heimdall_linux> looks like I won't find help in here :-/
[08:12] <Razor-X> and to do some limits and stuff
[08:12] <bojan> HappyFool: no, firefox works fine
[08:12] <bojan> delire: how do you mean this?
[08:12] <weiers> crimsun ... I have ubuntu installed, now, but it does not recognise any sound devices. Where do I begin to look?
[08:12] <crimsun> Heimdall_linux: you'll probably have better luck in a gnuplot-specific channel
[08:12] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[08:12] <Razor-X> in fact, Spivak's chapter on limits are crazy, because he uses functions like "x * sin x" to explain limits
[08:12] <crimsun> weiers: lspci -v|grep audio
[08:12] <Razor-X> and I don't have the trig functions embedded in my brain
[08:12] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ hahaha i am a moron i forgot that linux fiels are case sensative in terminal
[08:13] <delire> bojan: it's best to update the list of known and available packages before installing new software. 'sudo apt-get update' achieves this.
[08:13] <Razor-X> s/is/are/
[08:13] <Heimdall_linux> crimsun, yeah it was part of my first question, 'is there a channel for gnuplot ?' but it looks like there is no channel...
[08:13] <ashok> please tell me where will all the downloaded deb files be when synaptics package manager downloads
[08:13] <bojan> delire: yes i did
[08:13] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: haha, yeah, it is
[08:13] <reka> weird....what was up with ubotu ?
[08:13] <La_PaRCa> Good morning. I just upgraded from warty to hoary using the repos and now gnome wont start. I get a "warning" when gnome is starting that says "I". Any ideas?
[08:13] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ lol like i said i am new to linux
[08:13] <HappyFool> reka: maybe cos someone with username 'root' joined
[08:13] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: or, you can try the GNUPlot mailing list
[08:13] <delire> bojan: ok 'apt-cache search libgtk' and install the latest version you can find, and then 'sudo apt-get install netscape'
[08:14] <weiers> hi reka ... devios ... I still don't know if I solved my dual booting problem properly, but I went into my bios setup and made the computer boot up from the ubuntu disk instead of the windows disk. Then it found grub. I could not get it to install grub onto the windows disk.
[08:14] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, it is too complicated to explain by mail I think
[08:14] <HappyFool> ashok: in /var/lib/cache/apt, i think
[08:14] <Razor-X> HappyFool: cos(pi); heh
[08:14] <HappyFool> ashok: but you shouldn't need to no
[08:14] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: not really, you'll be surprised
[08:14] <delire> bojan: i don't know whether it's called netscape in ubuntu (i'm on debian right now)
[08:14] <Razor-X> a lot of patching is fixed on mailing lists
[08:14] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, (What I wann do, I mean)
[08:14] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ what would this mean???...... Would you like to compile as a hub or as a leaf?
[08:14] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: like I said, try #maxima
[08:15] <Heimdall_linux> ah I didn't see that :)
[08:15] <bojan> delire: yes it is, i'm trying the search now
[08:15] <devios> weiers: after booting into ubuntu, you might be able to manually install grub to the other disk...
[08:15] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: i'm assuming, you would want to compile as a leaf
[08:15] <Razor-X> but let me google that
[08:15] <loftus> Razor-X, use octave with gnuplot. Useful if you do more maths later aswell.
[08:15] <Howitzer> Okay
[08:15] <WckdKl0wn> ok
[08:15] <crimsun> reka: the bot says that whenever a client with an ident of *root@ joins
[08:15] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, it is not a channel :-D
[08:15] <topyli> ashok: /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:15] <Howitzer> i'm sick of the fact that Firefox is such a memory hog
[08:15] <WckdKl0wn> howitzer, install opera then
[08:15] <reka> crimsun: ah. :)
[08:15] <WckdKl0wn> howitzer, thats what i use and there is a big difference
[08:15] <reka> crimsun: first time i've seen it.
[08:15] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: ok then, #math ;)
[08:15] <Howitzer> does anybody know a VERY similar browser, but less resource-needing?
[08:16] <Heimdall_linux> lol
[08:16] <Howitzer> ah
[08:16] <Howitzer> okay
[08:16] <Razor-X> loftus: what's the difference between Octave and Maxima?
[08:16] <La_PaRCa> Good morning. I just upgraded from warty to hoary using the repos and now gnome wont start. I get a "warning" when gnome is starting that says "I". Any ideas?
[08:16] <crimsun> Howitzer: epiphany? galeon? dillo? opera?
[08:16] <weiers> crimsum: I typed that command lspci -v|grep audio. the command line just moved on without seeming to do anything.
[08:16] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: here we go
[08:16] <crimsun> weiers: ok. What computer?
[08:16] <HappyFool> Razor-X: octave is for numerics; not a CAS, more like matlab
[08:16] <Razor-X> are you going to be an individual server?
[08:16] <bojan> delire: thx a lot. it works now
[08:16] <WckdKl0wn> yes
[08:16] <weiers> Pentium 4,
[08:16] <Razor-X> HappyFool: then, there's no point, really...
[08:16] <weiers> crimsun : P4, celeron
[08:16] <Razor-X> I deal much more with Algebra than I do with numbers themselves
[08:16] <HappyFool> Razor-X: heh. i use matlab every day ;)
[08:17] <delire> bojan: no problem, sometimes you just need to install the latest version first ;) (very rarely though)
[08:17] <Centaur> Is there a way to upgrade a driver that ubuntu installed?
[08:17] <weiers> crimsun: onboard sounddevice
[08:17] <crimsun> weiers: onboard sound, or...?
[08:17] <reka> La_PaRCa: can you get to console?
[08:17] <La_PaRCa> reka, yeah
[08:17] <crimsun> weiers: ok. Please paste the output of lspci -v onto the pastebin in the topic
[08:17] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, individual server a leaf?
[08:17] <bojan> delire: ok :-)
[08:17] <Howitzer> $ehh
[08:17] <lenoxmo> server irc.cl
[08:17] <Howitzer> opera
[08:17] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: then use leaf
[08:17] <lenoxmo> ups
[08:17] <ashok> nope is not available happyfool
[08:18] <Razor-X> errrr!
[08:18] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: no! not yet, no!
[08:18] <HappyFool> ashok: i don't understand? what do you mean?
[08:18] <Howitzer> the package opera doesn't exist and when i do apt-cache search, i get +500 files :/
[08:18] <Razor-X> use hub, my bad!
[08:18] <reka> La_PaRCa: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:18] <delire> 'apt-cache search nope' hmm same here.
[08:18] <Razor-X> if you're not going to link to other servers, use hub
[08:18] <reka> La_PaRCa: and have a look for errors
[08:18] <WckdKl0wn> howitzer, go to opera.com/downloads/
[08:18] <cikilin> hello and help
[08:18] <ateves> is there a nice editor for linux supporting ruby syntax highlighting?
[08:18] <cikilin> help!!!!!!
[08:18] <reka> La_PaRCa: although it might be that you just need to reconfigure
[08:18] <La_PaRCa> reka, doest exist
[08:19] <topyli> Howitzer: only opera.com provides opera AFAIK
[08:19] <HappyFool> ateves: emacs maybe? (i presume there's a ruby mode)
[08:19] <ateves> i'll give it a try
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> reka, if you could point me in that general direction
[08:19] <Will_> cikilin: Tell us what is wrong, please?
[08:19] <cikilin> my ubuntu is crazy
[08:19] <HappyFool> ateves: otherwise vim is a standard hacker editor, and you could look at eclipse, if it has a ruby plugin
[08:19] <reka> La_PaRCa: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[08:19] <HappyFool> that would be the Crazy Camel release?
[08:19] <reka> La_PaRCa: to make a backup copy
[08:19] <Howitzer> Buy Opera
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> reka, ok
[08:19] <Howitzer>     * you get more browser area by removing the ad-banner
[08:19] <Howitzer> wtf
[08:20] <ateves> eclipse is my personal enemy :D
[08:20] <cikilin> i started up the system and the mouce start playing and opening windows
[08:20] <Razor-X> yeah, Opera is awesome
[08:20] <reka> La_PaRCa: then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:20] <Howitzer> you get ads IN your browser?
[08:20] <lenoxmo> server irc.cl
[08:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer ?
[08:20] <topyli> Howitzer: yep
[08:20] <weiers> crimsun ... my first experience in using the paste bin.  person
[08:20] <ashok> i mean.. if i want to take a backup of all the downloaded deb files in a cd and later use it, where shld i find them ?
[08:20] <Razor-X> remember, free is libre, not beer ;)
[08:20] <Howitzer> i'm not
[08:20] <dean> you can use scite for ruby editing too
[08:20] <cikilin> will any ideea?
[08:20] <Howitzer> i WOULD py for quality things if i COULD :(
[08:21] <crimsun> weiers: you need to compile the snd_azx driver from universe's alsa-source
[08:21] <crimsun> !tell weiers about alsa-source
[08:21] <La_PaRCa> reka, this might be why. There is no Xorg.conf there. *wince*
[08:21] <topyli> Howitzer: by installing mouse themes :)
[08:21] <Razor-X> I have $100 USD saved up...
[08:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, you're using gnome i s'pose?
[08:21] <Razor-X> wonder what i'll buy... hmmm...
[08:21] <reka> La_PaRCa: :)
[08:21] <Howitzer> topyli, and how do i do that?
[08:21] <Howitzer> yes i do
[08:21] <cikilin> help!
[08:21] <Howitzer> Bubbling_Zombie, !!!!!!
[08:21] <Razor-X> I was thinking a Das Keyboard
[08:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer !!!!!!!!!!!
[08:21] <Howitzer> alig
[08:21] <cikilin> is doing again
[08:21] <topyli> Howitzer: go to art.gnome.org or someplace and get a theme. install and change
[08:21] <Razor-X> but.... the keyboard weighs the Ctrl key at 60 grams
[08:21] <Razor-X> which may hurt my emacsing
[08:21] <reka> La_PaRCa: it's xorg.conf btw....case matters
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> reka, weird... the package xserver-xorg is not installed
[08:22] <Will_> Gods, why am I lagging so. I'm getting stuff in bursts
[08:22] <reka> La_PaRCa: the big X is for the log
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> *frow*
[08:22] <reka> La_PaRCa: ah
[08:22] <jasontech> Anyone know why I get assembly gnome-sharp could not be loaded when I try to run f-spot?
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> reka, it wasnt supposed to do that tho
[08:22] <reka> La_PaRCa: sounds like you need to isntall that then.
[08:23] <Howitzer> ehh
[08:23] <La_PaRCa> reka, I dont get it... then how am I running XChat?
[08:23] <jasontech> If that was a "global" message, why didn't I get it in other channels?
[08:23] <reka> La_PaRCa: lol
[08:23] <reka> La_PaRCa: you must still have warty's xfree86 or something
[08:23] <La_PaRCa> reka, I guess XFree is still there...
[08:23] <reka> yeah
[08:24] <HappyFool> jasontech: was sent to you, not the #. I think x-chat shows 'global' messages in the current window
[08:24] <topyli> why does my gnome-terminal always crash when i ssh to a sunOS server?
[08:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> jasontech, it was a "notice" send to everyone. Not every channel
[08:24] <weiers> crimsun your !tell command has sent me a bunch of greek (at least... that is the one language I don't really understand) ... but I will go and try.  Is there any reason why I cannot use synaptic to find the snd-azx package and install it?
[08:24] <La_PaRCa> reka, I am having trouble connecting to the hoary repos as it is.
[08:24] <crimsun> weiers: because you have to compile yourself
[08:24] <crimsun> weiers: the instructions are in that message
[08:24] <reka> La_PaRCa: i'll have to leave you in the capable hands of the other people in #ubuntu.  i have to go
[08:24] <jasontech> Well, I haven't used IRC in 5 years, so its been a while
[08:24] <reka> good luck
[08:24] <crimsun> weiers: just copy and paste that command (starting with sudo) into your terminal
[08:25] <reka> people! help out La_PaRCa
[08:25] <La_PaRCa> reka, thanks a lot, have fun.
[08:25] <reka> La_PaRCa: yeah..going to sleep :)
[08:25] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, ty for ur help
[08:25] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: what's the problem?
[08:25] <jasontech> So no one can help me with gnome-sharp and f-spot?
[08:26] <weiers> crimsun: ok... I will try to shelve my fear for the unknown and do it, will hopefully get back to you if there is a problem. Thanks for the help
[08:26] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, um, I upgraded from warty to hoary using the repositories, but XOrg didnt install, so I am on XFree, but now gnome wont start.
[08:26] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, that, and I cant connect to the repositories because my connection sucks.
[08:26] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: you cannot connect or it's just really slow?
[08:26] <Howitzer> oh damn mn
[08:26] <hmrocha> Hello
[08:26] <Howitzer> i need more RAM
[08:26] <hmrocha> i'm using postfix as an mta
[08:27] <hmrocha> What pop/imap server do you recomend me?
[08:27] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, no way to tell. Could be either.
[08:27] <Razor-X> hmmm... how can you fit like... 2 pages on one page
[08:27] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, its staying at 0% forever
[08:27] <Razor-X> i'm forgetting... there was something for that....
[08:27] <topyli> hmrocha: dovecot
[08:27] <The_Vox> hmrocha: I like courier.
[08:28] <The_Vox> topyli: I haven't tried dovecot...is it worth it?
[08:28] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm
[08:28] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: what sort of system do you have?
[08:28] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: and how did you do the upgrade? CD or over the net?
[08:28] <topyli> The_Vox: well, it's light, simple and secure
[08:28] <topyli> The_Vox: my server has two users :)
[08:28] <wims> what's the apt-get line for installing gcc ?
[08:28] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, Athlon XP, on some generic mobo, and over the net.
[08:28] <HappyFool> wims: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:29] <wims> HappyFool cheers
[08:29] <Howitzer> i'm off to take a dump
[08:29] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol :')
[08:29] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, oh wait, it just updated. :)
[08:29] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: ah?
[08:29] <The_Vox> topyli: oh, 2 users :) my smallest mail server has 2,000 :)
[08:29] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, so the repo thing is out of the way.
[08:29] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, now, I just have to get gnome working.
[08:29] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: so now the only problem is that you have old X?
[08:30] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: ok, can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list up on the pastebin?
[08:30] <ateves> i recently installed vim-gnome via apt. but how can i start it?
[08:30] <La_PaRCa> I cant tell you whats there.
[08:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> ateves, gvim
[08:30] <topyli> The_Vox: heh. i don't know what dovecot can handle. check out dovecot.org, they're pretty honest :)
[08:30] <ateves> argh
[08:30] <cmtheory> hi
[08:30] <ateves> Bubbling_Zombie: thx. i tried "vim-gnome" all the time
[08:30] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: sorry, i don't understand that
[08:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[08:30] <La_PaRCa> everything up to multiverse. had to comment uot security for now because that was the one giving me problems.
[08:30] <HappyFool> ateves: maybe 'gvim'
[08:31] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: and you're sure it's hoary, not warty?
[08:31] <jasontech> nevermind, I just needed to install gtk-sharp
[08:31] <hmrocha> And Qpopper pop3 server?
[08:31] <min> hi, can somebody help me with esd?  the wiki describes what to do, except that it breaks off in the middle of a sentence
[08:31] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, I told vim to replace all instances of warty to hoary, and I checked it by hand again, so yes.
[08:32] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: ok, and maybe comment out the cd line as well (at the top)
[08:32] <cmtheory> question: how do i change the permissions of all files and folders on a drive... is there a option 'chmod 777' that does all the content in the folder?
[08:32] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, done as well.
[08:32] <devios> chmod -R 777
[08:32] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm. ok, so what happened when you did dist-upgrade?
[08:32] <cmtheory> tnx
[08:32] <devios> np
[08:32] <HappyFool> cmtheory: yes, but do be careful -- don't change permissions of /usr, for instance
[08:33] <cmtheory> sure;)
[08:33] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, went without a hitch, and then X got hose because of some shared library, so I did ldconfig, and now X starts but gnome is dead. Very dead. It just gives me a warning dialog without any text.
[08:33] <Howitzer> what does chmod do?
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> change moderator
[08:33] <dean> chance the permissions on a file
[08:33] <dean> *change
[08:33] <Howitzer> oh
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> chown changes ownership
[08:33] <dean> e.g. so people can't read or write it
[08:33] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: do you remember which library?
[08:34] <hybrid_goth> dean: whats the x arg on chmod do
[08:34] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, um, nope-
[08:34] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: you said you had XFree86 still, though, so the upgrade couldn't have been complete
[08:34] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, let me try and install xserver-xorg by hand
[08:34] <dean> sets the file so you can execute it
[08:34] <dean> it lets you enter a folder, or run the file if its a script
[08:35] <Discipulus> I have supercharged dial-up
[08:35] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm. how about try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' again, see if it tries to update anything
[08:35] <Bubbling_Zombie> x for eXcecutable
[08:35] <Howitzer> rofl
[08:35] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, ok.
[08:36] <dean> jasontech: whats the problem with gtk# ?
[08:36] <Howitzer> Galeon is the one i like the most, but appearantly, it's a s much of a memory hog as Firefox :(
[08:36] <Bubbling_Zombie> web browsing _is_ a memory hog
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> is there a lynx equalivant of w3m-img or links2 -g?
[08:36] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, its bitching about gtksourceview-common
[08:37] <cmtheory> oh! another one: how do i change the name 'ubuntu' displayed when my pc starts up? (loading kernel phase)
[08:37] <Discipulus> Anyone wanna see a screenshot of my supercharged dial-up?
[08:37] <guillem> Heh! I've just installed ubuntu in my new computer ;-))))
[08:37] <Trackilizer> hey ppl
[08:37] <cmtheory> hey
[08:37] <Trackilizer> i need some help
[08:37] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm. my apt-cache doesn't find that
[08:37] <La_PaRCa> it says, and I quote
[08:37] <Centaur> How can I find out the version of a driver that ubuntu installed?
[08:37] <Trackilizer> im using this theme atm
[08:37] <guillem> However I'm having trouble with my nvidia card: it displays some random noise with either opensource or nvidia drivers.
[08:37] <Trackilizer> http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/571
[08:37] <hybrid_goth> is there a lynx equalivant of w3m-img or links2 -g?
[08:37] <Howitzer> damn
[08:37] <Howitzer> i'm seriously liking Galeon
[08:38] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, it needs 1.2.0 but 1.0.2 is gonna be installed.
[08:38] <Trackilizer> i want to use these icons the thing is i dont know how to intall them
[08:38] <Trackilizer> http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1049
[08:38] <topyli> hybrid_goth: no
[08:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> hey Howitzer , decided on your secondary distro yet?
[08:38] <dean> cmtheory: IIRC - you change the contents of /etc/hostname
[08:38] <guillem> Lower resolutions seem to display lower noise...
[08:38] <stan-am> hey guys, can anyone give me a hand? im trying to install jdk, ive already unpacked that thing but i dont really know what to do next
[08:38] <ed1t> lol
[08:38] <Trackilizer> anyone?
[08:38] <stan-am> hey guys, can anyone give me a hand? im trying to install jdk, ive already unpacked that thing but i dont really know what to do next
[08:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> Trackilizer, download the file
[08:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> desktop - preferences
[08:39] <Howitzer> Bubbling_Zombie, inope
[08:39] <Trackilizer> i have
[08:39] <min> stan-am, you can install JDK through Synaptic
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> theme
[08:39] <stan-am> what is that min?
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> install theme, select the downloaded file
[08:39] <Howitzer> i've tried Debianpure, Minislack, Redhat, Gentoo, Slackware,...
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> select it in "theme details"
[08:39] <min> System | Administration | Synaptic package Manager
[08:39] <Howitzer> every single time, i crawl back to Ubuntu
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[08:39] <Howitzer> it just rocks so damn hard
[08:39] <ed1t> coz ubuntu is great!
[08:39] <stan-am> can you give me the steps, im very VERY new at this min
[08:39] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, I just apt-get -f install, see what happens there.
[08:40] <ztonzy> it rocks :)
[08:40] <cmtheory> dean: not the hostname, but the thing that pops up right after grub.
[08:40] <stan-am> min: please
[08:40] <hybrid_goth> topyli: do you know of any other browsers like w3m-img or links2 -g
[08:40] <ed1t> i dont even try  trying out different distros...
[08:40] <wims> is it possible to install java sdk with apt-get
[08:40] <min> stan-am, yes I'm new too, but I succeeded in doing it the other day ;)
[08:40] <Trackilizer> thnaks alot dude
[08:40] <Trackilizer> it worked
[08:40] <guillem> Well looks like I'm getting used to it :-((
[08:40] <Trackilizer> :)
[08:40] <topyli> hybrid_goth: not really. emacs? i think it uses w3m
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> nice
[08:40] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: 1.0.1 is warty, 1.2.0 is hoary -- not 1.0.2
[08:40] <Trackilizer> again thanks alot
[08:40] <ed1t> !tell wims about java
[08:40] <Trackilizer> bye
[08:40] <Howitzer> the user that dares doing 'sudo rm /' will recieve candy!!
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> bye
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, sudo rm -rf /
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> more fun -_-
[08:41] <Howitzer> oh
[08:41] <Howitzer> why?
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> a
[08:41] <Howitzer> :D
[08:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> (dont do this at home peepz !)
[08:41] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: even more fun: sudo rm -rf / &
[08:41] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: you don't have any non-ubuntu repositories by any chance?
[08:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> -r = recursivly, -f = force
[08:41] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, I had marillat, but commented those out as well
[08:41] <Howitzer> lol
[08:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> The_Vox, nah.  :D
[08:44] <The_Vox> Howitzer: let me tell you something....I've never seen anything as fast as rm -rf / on a Sun with all-around SCSI disks....that damn thing was empty almost before we hit enter lol!
[08:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeh :p
[08:45] <Howitzer> oeh
[08:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, that theme tracker<thingy> gave me is one nice theme !
[08:45] <Howitzer> i might try that somewhere
[08:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> the splash scren of diasce2 scares me
[08:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> _bigtime_
[08:45] <topyli> if you ssh to a sun server, and from there to another linux box, gnome-terminal will crash
[08:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> topyli, have you tried another terminal?
[08:46] <topyli> it makes gnome-terminal rule a bit less :)
[08:46] <The_Vox> topyli: if you look at it with your eyes twisted just right, gnome-terminal will crash
[08:46] <topyli> Bubbling_Zombie: xterm
[08:46] <highvoltage> topyli: it doesn't take much to make gnome-terminal crash
[08:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> does it crash?
[08:46] <topyli> so it seem s:)
[08:46] <The_Vox> topyli: that's why every enlightened human being uses either konsole or Eterm :)
[08:46] <topyli> Bubbling_Zombie: no
[08:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> aterm > *
[08:46] <highvoltage> topyli: running things in screen helps
[08:46] <Howitzer> The_Vox, i use gnome console :/
[08:46] <topyli> yes
[08:47] <The_Vox> Howitzer: poor you :)
[08:47] <highvoltage> oooh, konsole is terrible (sorry, don't want to start a terminal war)
[08:47] <topyli> highvoltage: but it's annoying. i love gnome-terminal every other way
[08:47] <r0d> ahh...most ppl in here use gnome
[08:47] <highvoltage> topyli: have you tried Terminal before?
[08:47] <ed1t> yep coz gnome rocks
[08:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> i'm an aterm addict *sobs*
[08:47] <Howitzer> but ehh
[08:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's from my fluxbox days !
[08:47] <highvoltage> it's from XFCE. it looks and works exactly the same, but it's lighter, and more stable.
[08:47] <topyli> highvoltage: i think it's a gnome 2.10 feature :)
[08:48] <Howitzer> can you make aterm display a toolbar?
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> you dont
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[08:48] <The_Vox> highvoltage: terrible in what aspect? it hasn't crashed on me yet (I've been only using kde for 6 weeks, so I don't have as much experience with it as I could)
[08:48] <r0d> yea i dont like kde fisher price emulation
[08:48] <highvoltage> The_Vox: well, to be honest, i just strongly disklike its keyboard shortcuts.
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> rofl r0d
[08:48] <h08817> hello everyone
[08:48] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: I used Eterm for...7 or 8 years, I think :)
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> hi h08817
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> hehe.
[08:48] <Howitzer> can you run Konsole in Gnome?
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure Howitzer
[08:49] <Howitzer> ah
[08:49] <highvoltage> Howitzer: yes, you can.
[08:49] <r0d> why would you want too
[08:49] <Howitzer> because i want to use the most-light-weight programs now
[08:49] <highvoltage> Howitzer: it would be a better option to install XFCE, and use Terminal.
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, aterm !!!
[08:49] <Howitzer> my system is on constant overload :x
[08:49] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:49] <r0d> Bubbling_Zombie,  is right
[08:49] <The_Vox> highvoltage: nothing that can't be fixed with applying the proper hammer...I'm a dvorak user, so most kboard shortcuts on most everything suck for me...first thing I do when trying a new program is mess with the shortcuts :)
[08:49] <Howitzer> but i want to keep Gnome :(
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, ofcourse
[08:50] <cyphase> modem fixed! woohoo!  F modems.
[08:50] <Howitzer> KDE and light-weight-programs don't mix aswell :D
[08:50] <dean> is ksh available onubuntu?
[08:50] <highvoltage> h08817: how much RAM did it have?
[08:50] <The_Vox> Howitzer: then again, "kde" and "light programs" don't mix either :)
[08:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, just switch to xfce4 then
[08:51] <topyli> highvoltage: i can't debug now because my work box is down, but could this be because of the sunOS/linux switches?
[08:51] <The_Vox> Howitzer: if you want light, you use fluxbox or xfce
[08:51] <r0d> KDE itself isnt really the 'lightweight' sloution in general
[08:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> or fluxbox, ofcourse
[08:51] <Howitzer> what about openbox?
[08:51] <mypapit> kde and light programs dont mix? hmmm... interesting discovery today...
[08:51] <r0d> Howitzer, what version of kde are you running?
[08:51] <highvoltage> topyli: anything is possible, my improbability drive isn't working now, but as soon as my new kernel has compiled I'll tell you.
[08:51] <h08817> highvoltage, not much at all
[08:52] <Howitzer> i'm thinking of installing W98 as second os
[08:52] <The_Vox> mypapit: meaning that kde is resource hungry, not that you can't run light-weight programs in it :)
[08:52] <ed1t> why win98?!?!
[08:52] <Howitzer> r0d, i'm using Gnome
[08:52] <dean> whoops, found it!
[08:52] <HappyFool> dean: there's something called pdksh -- public domain ksh
[08:52] <h08817> it kept crashing at installing components and finally went thru
[08:52] <h08817> i used smartbootmanager
[08:52] <mypapit> The_Vox, ok i c
[08:52] <xliu> how to adjust the size of icons in gnome?
[08:52] <Howitzer> ed1t, i want to play my games again tbh
[08:52] <ed1t> lol
[08:52] <Howitzer> xliu, right-click 'resize icon-size'
[08:53] <The_Vox> mypapit: thing is, any desktop environment will be resource hungry...if you need light-weight, you gotta go to simple windowmanagers
[08:53] <dean> bash is driving me crazy after using ksh at work all day :)
[08:53] <Bubbling_Zombie> fluxbox all the way for light window systems
[08:53] <Howitzer> anyway
[08:53] <Howitzer> i installed some light-weight managers
[08:53] <Howitzer> i'm going to test 'm all
[08:53] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: I tend to agree with that
[08:53] <Howitzer> see you guys in a few minutes
[08:53] <Bubbling_Zombie> bb
[08:54] <zecke> Xorg  Issues (version 6.8.2-42): Where do I get xdpyinfo from to fullfill the dependency
[08:54] <topyli> highvoltage: ok. i'll turn on the linux box when i have business at that part of town too
[08:54] <zecke> who should install xkb rules in /etc/X11/xkb?
[08:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> bbiab
[08:55] <The_Vox> zecke: xbase-clients
[08:55] <topyli> highvoltage: my vacation starts today so i shut it down. what was i thinking! :)
[08:56] <xliu> Howitzer, there is no "resize icon-size"
[08:56] <zecke> The_Vox: okay I've an issue then: xbase-clients depends on xdpyinfo and my xkb rules are already deleted...
[08:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> ooooh
[08:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> isn't this xfce4 thingy nice
[08:57] <hybrid_goth> Bubbling_Zombie: yes
[08:57] <topyli> it is
[08:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> if you see a mushroom cloud , it wasn't me -_-
[08:58] <topyli> it's not gnome though
[08:58] <antix> what's the package called that gives a nice splash screen when booting? and when shutting down..
[08:58] <The_Vox> zecke: xbase-clients depends on xdpyinfo???
[08:58] <dr_willis> bootsplash
[08:58] <dr_willis> perhaps.
[08:59] <topyli> there are "nice" splash screens?
[08:59] <xliu> Thanks Howitzer, but i still do not know how to adjust icon size in gnome?
[08:59] <dean> antix: usplash
[08:59] <dean> or rather it will be :)
[08:59] <ALexBO> i've a problem whit this... $> man woman; the result is: >$Segmentation faults (core dumped). In your opinion, if i do it with root privilegis, it can work?
[08:59] <ALexBO> i'm joking...
[08:59] <zecke> The_Vox: according to aptitude it does
[08:59] <ALexBO> *lol*
[08:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> ALexBO, try hitting it over the head with info
[08:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> and if that doesn't work,just set it on fire
[09:00] <delire> Razor-X: have you worked much with 'mouse gestures' in Opera?
[09:00] <ALexBO> Bubbling_Zombie: lol
[09:00] <The_Vox> zecke: are you using breezy?
[09:00] <ALexBO> Bubbling_Zombie: maybe i've worked too much
[09:01] <ed1t> !realplayer
[09:01] <ubotu> I don't know, ed1t
[09:01] <ed1t> !package realplayer
[09:01] <ubotu> I don't know, ed1t
[09:01] <Bubbling_Zombie> _maybe_ he says -_-
[09:01] <zecke> The_Vox: yes
[09:01] <The_Vox> zecke: because my hoardy xbase-clients doesn't depend on xdpyinfo according to aptitude
[09:01] <ed1t> !help
[09:01] <The_Vox> zecke: file a bug, broken package
[09:01] <anto9us> ALexBO: if you're trying woman out then make sure you have plenty of cache
[09:01] <delire> anto9us: i really don't know how to respond to that.
[09:01] <delire> well done.
[09:02] <anto9us> :P
[09:02] <xliu> hi everyone, how to adjust the icon size in gnome?
[09:02] <jdbolt> does anyone know if hoary supports SLI?
[09:02] <teferi> highly unlikely
[09:03] <topyli> zecke: it _provides_ xdpyinfo
[09:03] <Servo888> Hey - one the first first ubuntu CD that you burn - does it include java?
[09:03] <ed1t> Servo888, no
[09:03] <teferi> Servo888: no
[09:03] <ed1t> !tell Servo888 about java
[09:03] <ed1t> thank to kbrooks
[09:04] <ed1t> thanks*
[09:04] <antix> dean, or splashy? neither is in my repositories
[09:04] <hybrid_goth> hey yall g2g for a while
[09:04] <hybrid_goth> ttyl
[09:04] <ed1t> later hybrid_goth
[09:05] <Howitzer> hmmm
[09:05] <Howitzer> xfce is nice
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> hehe
[09:05] <dean> antix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, trying it too atm
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> _o_
[09:05] <Howitzer> but fluxbox and xfce are kind of hard to fully learn
[09:05] <dean> I'd talk you through, but i have to go
[09:05] <Howitzer> it all looks so complicated :D
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, nah. Just don' t be scared of the commandline
[09:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> it doesn't bite
[09:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> hard
[09:06] <Howitzer> i'm not
[09:06] <Howitzer> but it's not fluxbox or xfce itself
[09:06] <kbrooks> ed1t, heh, yw
[09:06] <Howitzer> it's the fact tht it's new and you don't know it 'automaticly' like with KDE or Gnome
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah well. if you need help with fluxbox drop me a line
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[09:07] <tmacd> Hello all, I'm having issues with installing glade using synaptic. I'm getting the following: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxml-parser-perl/libxml-parser-perl_2.34-4_i386.deb
[09:07] <teferi> ah, got a strace log of the postinst script...
[09:07] <tmacd>   MD5Sum mismatch
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> you know where to find me
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> (besides here -_- )
[09:07] <kbrooks> tmacd, dont use us.archive
[09:07] <kbrooks> its broken
[09:07] <tmacd> Which server should I use?
[09:07] <Servo888> So can somebody send me the filename of the latest java (or the deb file name). I don't have my ubunutu box near by - it's away and on dialup so I'm going to have to download java on my current machine.
[09:08] <boow> just get it from java.com
[09:08] <The_Vox> Servo888: sun-j2re1.5 sun-j2sdk1.5
[09:08] <antix> dean: thanks!
[09:08] <tmacd> OK, I'll give that a try, thanks
[09:08] <danirc_> hola
[09:08] <comune> hello
[09:08] <jose__> hello
[09:08] <lollercoaster> ColonelKernel: sup
[09:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> y hallo thar
[09:09] <dean> antix: np
[09:09] <comune> someone knows if there is an application that allows me to resize a lot of images?
[09:09] <danirc_> como estas jose
[09:09] <dean> g'bye all
[09:09] <danirc> hola
[09:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> ^-^
[09:09] <HappyFool> Servo888: i used jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin  from sun.com (or java.sun.com, possibly)
[09:09] <teferi> GOT IT!
[09:09] <teferi> HA
[09:09] <The_Vox> comadreja: ImageMagik
[09:09] <jose__> tony que tal te va el chat
[09:09] <teferi> thank god for strace
[09:09] <danirc_> de maravilla
[09:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> english, anybody -_-
[09:09] <danirc> que tal os va el curso de Kinux?
[09:10] <kbrooks> tmacd,
[09:10] <kbrooks> tmacd, archive
[09:10] <teferi> Just for the record, if anyone's having trouble with the latest breezy xlibs.
[09:10] <teferi> You need to make sure that /etc/X11/xkb/{symbols,types,geometry,compat,keycodes}/ exist before trying to install it
[09:10] <danirc_> how to install adobe acrobat plug-in in firefox?
[09:10] <teferi> Otherwise it'll fail trying to get rid of them
[09:11] <danirc__> how to install adobe plug-in in firefox
[09:11] <lollercoaster> lol
[09:11] <lollercoaster> foreign people
[09:11] <lollercoaster> "how to make t3h lunix??"
[09:11] <HappyFool> danirc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AcrobatHowTo
[09:11] <jose__> thanks
[09:11] <lollercoaster> kan jy ek verstaan
[09:12] <danirc_> thanks
[09:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> lollercoaster, is that supposed to resemble dutch? :p
[09:12] <HappyFool> it's afrikaans -- bad afrikaans
[09:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol :p
[09:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> k ^-^
[09:12] <lollercoaster> heh
[09:12] <The_Vox> lollercoaster: foreign to where? :)
[09:12] <lollercoaster> to me
[09:12] <lollercoaster> and to the english language
[09:13] <The_Vox> lollercoaster: I know plenty of 'merkans that speak/write worse english than many foreigners :)
[09:14] <lollercoaster> but none say "HOW TO INSTALL TEH PLUGIN"
[09:14] <lollercoaster> "how to install" is unique to only non-native english speakers
[09:14] <alf> American is American...English is universal!!!
[09:14] <lollercoaster> alf: you eat cats
[09:14] <sJaM> don't think the English liked that quote
[09:14] <alf> lol
[09:14] <mypapit> yeah.. and i speak rebit-english
[09:14] <tmacd> Boom, worked like a charm, thanks!
[09:15] <sJaM> using their language as a lingua franca
[09:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> i try to speek english k thx gg
[09:15] <lollercoaster> everyone i just want to warn you. alf eats cats
[09:15] <supernix> is gcc 4.0 base ok to install ?
[09:16] <alf> sure do...with fries...American for chips!!!!
[09:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> supernix, ofcourse
[09:16] <danirc> nadie conoce un chat de linux en espanol?
[09:16] <lollercoaster> fries are testicles
[09:16] <supernix> I did not know I heard something before about gcc being the core of all programs so I did not want to mess anything up
[09:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> gcc = _the_ compiler
[09:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> all hail the gcc !
[09:16] <supernix> Redhat once released a beta version of gcc which caused many problems for many people
[09:16] <alf> Big Mac devotee
[09:17] <alf> NOT
[09:17] <eruin> danirc, try #ubuntu-es
[09:17] <sJaM> 2.96 thing
[09:18] <The_Vox> daniels: solia haber un #linuxlatino en undernet, pero no se si todavia existe
[09:18] <danirc> thanks ... in what server?
[09:18] <sJaM> this one I guess
[09:18] <danirc> perfect. :-D
[09:18] <eruin> danirc, here
[09:19] <danirc> yes! you are right! sorry ... i'm newbie
[09:19] <Servo888> What kernel version does the latest ubuntu ship with?
[09:20] <lollercoaster> 1.5.4
[09:20] <Servo888> ...
[09:20] <highvoltage> 1.5.4? that's an old kernel.
[09:20] <Servo888> I don't think one ever existed like that
[09:20] <jasoncohen> when i do dpkg -l | grep mozilla-thunderbird nothing comes up but dpkg -l mozilla-thunderbird works fine. what's going on?
[09:21] <jasoncohen> Server-Penguing, 2.6.10 with ubuntu patches
[09:21] <jasoncohen> woops
[09:21] <jasoncohen> Servo888,  2.6.10 with ubuntu patches. see ubuntu.packages.com or search through synaptic/apt-get
[09:21] <Kyral> Servo888, it uses the 2.6.10 kernel
[09:21] <Servo888> Ok thanks
[09:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> according to my wireless applet, i have 102% connection to my local wifi hotspot
[09:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> o_O
[09:21] <lollercoaster> you pwned it
[09:22] <topyli> dude, you're connected for sure
[09:22] <eruin> Bubbling_Zombie, time to spank your applet
[09:22] <topyli> not in public man!
[09:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol :p
[09:22] <alf> lol
[09:23] <weiers> hi crimsun ... I did the alsa install thing, but it encountered an error... I pasted the feedback in the pastebin. Could you perhaps have a look at it?
[09:24] <kirin> simple thing (should be simpler),,, searched the forums, running live cd, hda is a win98se fat32, how do I mount it?... I keep getting errors regarding not being root, and when I login as root, it STILL won't let me see my /dev/hda(1)
[09:24] <dataw0lf> c'mon guys, /join irc.freenode.net port 9001
[09:24] <sJaM> you are not supposed to be here
[09:24] <sJaM> just run:
[09:24] <sJaM>  /server irc.freenode.net 9001
[09:24] <HappyFool> kirin: can you paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' on a pastebin?
[09:24] <sJaM>  /join #ubuntu
[09:25] <HappyFool> kirin: e.g., pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:25] <topyli> Servo888: i just had to look. you're right, there never was a 1.5 kernel :)
[09:26] <kirin> had to run "as root":
[09:26] <kirin> Disk /dev/hda: 160.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>96 bytes
[09:26] <kirin> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
[09:26] <kirin> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[09:26] <kirin>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:26] <kirin> /dev/hda1   *           1       13451   108045126    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[09:27] <Howitzer> ehh
[09:27] <HappyFool> kirin: did you see i said to the pastebin?
[09:27] <HappyFool> kirin: we try *not* to paste into the channel
[09:27] <kirin> been running knoppix until lately when the graphix went to hell, switched over to ubuntu but can't see hd
[09:27] <kirin> sorry, I'm an idiot.
[09:28] <h08817> do u guys know some good guides to read about linux?
[09:28] <h08817> since i am a complete noob
[09:28] <HappyFool> kirin: try 'sudo mkdir /mnt/windows; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows'
[09:28] <HappyFool> kirin: if it asks for a password, just press enter
[09:28] <weiers> err... crimsun ... I am sorry to be a pain. If you are busy I can try you later. I think I am quite close to a solution, but just need a little bit of advice.
[09:29] <HappyFool> h08817: start at the ubuntu wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:29] <h08817> thanks
[09:29] <HappyFool> h08817: there is a *lot* of information here, too: en.tldp.org
[09:30] <kirin> thanks, it worked... but I'm going to have to do that every single time, aren't I?
[09:30] <HappyFool> kirin: yip
[09:30] <EfaistOs> did someone install an ubuntu on amd64 ?
[09:31] <dataw0lf> EfaistOs: Yes.
[09:31] <alf> beer in the keyboard....what a waste!
[09:31] <kirin> then that is how it will work. thank you, sorry for being a pest.
[09:32] <HappyFool> kirin: np
[09:33] <mophat> i'm really in a bind here. I thought i had my   --
[09:33] <h08817> HappyFool, en.tldp.org wouldn't work for me is it still running or is it an old site?
[09:33] <mophat> i thought i had my /etc/hdparm.conf setup nicely
[09:33] <mophat> then all of a sudden, 32 bit stopped working on everything
[09:33] <HappyFool> h08817: err, sorry. let me check -- maybe got it wrong
[09:33] <cOoOoK> enas
[09:33] <mophat> can someone link me to a 32 bit hdparm.conf
[09:33] <HappyFool> h08817: http://www.tldp.org/
[09:34] <mophat> i need to get this achine out in minutes
[09:34] <HappyFool> h08817: sorry, i remember it being en.
[09:34] <h08817> HappyFool, i got on thanks
[09:35] <HappyFool> mophat: i can paste by hdparm.conf to the pastebin, if you like. not sure if it'll help you...
[09:35] <A[D] minS> Guys how i can install rpm in ubuntu?
[09:35] <mophat> that would be awesome..  how do i login to that
[09:35] <A[D] minS>  rpm -i /mnt/c/Linux/Dict-ar-en.rpm
[09:35] <A[D] minS> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[09:35] <A[D] minS> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[09:35] <A[D] minS> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[09:35] <HappyFool> mophat: stand by...
[09:35] <highvoltage> A[D] minS: alien.
[09:35] <frodo24> hello
[09:35] <HappyFool> A[D] minS: please don't paste here; use a patebin
[09:35] <A[D] minS> highvoltage, alien.  not found
[09:36] <highvoltage> A[D] minS: apt-get install alien
[09:36] <highvoltage> qt2: freeciv2? it's great eh!
[09:36] <A[D] minS> thx highvoltage
[09:36] <frodo24> after 2nd install finally ubuntu works fine except i get cut after connecting with modem
[09:36] <klaym> wtf lilo
[09:36] <highvoltage> frodo24: ouch!
[09:36] <frodo24> so why i get cut?
[09:37] <frodo24> i'm on windows now
[09:37] <alf> virtual vesectomy
[09:37] <h08817> weird
[09:37] <h08817> i am online in here but my internet just died
[09:37] <mophat> HappyFool, : thx
[09:37] <A[D] minS> highvoltage, okay second qustion what is da command to install file.deb ?
[09:37] <frodo24> can i use my mdk rpms ?
[09:37] <A[D] minS> frodo24,  yes u can
[09:38] <highvoltage> A[D] minS: dpkg -i file.deb
[09:38] <mophat> HappyFool, : anyway i can easily conf out those numbers without using VI
[09:38] <frodo24> even one made for mdk?
[09:38] <The_Vox> highvoltage: I uninstalled freeciv from all my computers...that thing is damn addictive!
[09:38] <A[D] minS> frodo24,  alien file.rpm then it will convert to file.deb
[09:38] <HappyFool> mophat: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/603
[09:38] <A[D] minS> frodo24,  dpkg -i file.deb
[09:38] <frodo24> i c
[09:38] <A[D] minS> ;)
[09:38] <highvoltage> The_Vox: yes it is! In 1997, I spent 6 weeks solid playing civ1!
[09:39] <frodo24> now the most important think why i get cut?
[09:39] <mophat> HappyFool, : I'm at the link, is there anyway i can remove all those numbers from it
[09:39] <A[D] minS> cut?
[09:39] <mophat> automatically
[09:39] <mophat> it's cutting the 001 002
[09:39] <frodo24> in mdk i can't go online with kpppdieale
[09:39] <frodo24> dialer
[09:39] <mophat> 109 l;ines manually
[09:39] <mophat> frig
[09:39] <HappyFool> mophat: just select more carefully
[09:39] <HappyFool> mophat: the lines are in a separate table column
[09:39] <mophat> omg nm
[09:39] <mophat> there's two sections
[09:39] <HappyFool> mophat: or press the 'download' button at the top
[09:39] <mophat> thanku
[09:40] <topyli> frodo24: but alien produces weird debs sometimes. depends on how perverted the rpm is to begin with
[09:40] <frodo24> i c
[09:40] <frodo24> anyone what can i do about the net connection?
[09:40] <mophat> much appreciated.. brb
[09:40] <The_Vox> highvoltage: I spent too many days playing civ3 back when I was working in a cyber :)
[09:41] <A[D] minS> now i want to know something where i can find files which apt-get downloading ?
[09:42] <topyli> i lost lots of time on civ1 too. then there was colonization and whatnot
[09:42] <frodo24> how can i get the status and log during and after dialing?
[09:42] <HappyFool> frodo24: tail -f /var/log/messages   (maybe)
[09:43] <HappyFool> A[D] minS: /var/cache/apt/archives; but you should never really need to poke around in there
[09:43] <mophat> sigh.. it  just stopped working
[09:43] <frodo24> ok
[09:43] <mophat> what could i possibly have changed to have the /etc/hdparm.conf file not work properly
[09:43] <frodo24> c u
[09:43] <mophat> /dev/hdc not found
[09:43] <mophat> but it's there
[09:43] <A[D] minS> HappyFool, i want to save them
[09:43] <sJaM> is it really
[09:44] <A[D] minS> that what i want :)
[09:44] <sJaM> check your
[09:44] <sJaM> sudo fdisk -l
[09:44] <cut0ff> mophat acn you post that file?
[09:44] <mophat> cut0ff, : it's HappyFool 's last post
[09:45] <thesamet> how can I found which package I installed myself and which came with the base system?
[09:45] <HappyFool> mophat: that /dev/hdc entry may not be appropriate for your system -- it's a custom entry for my DVD-drive
[09:45] <mophat> nah, mines /dev/hda HD , /dev/hdd /dev/hdc for my cd drives
[09:45] <thesamet> How can I check if I have package that are only to serve a dependency for a program that I already removed?
[09:45] <mophat> sigh.. it was working fine
[09:45] <mophat> i rebooted
[09:46] <mophat> and it stopped seeing 32bit
[09:46] <cut0ff> mophat sorry I've just enter in the channel
[09:46] <mophat> no worries
[09:46] <kalve> How can I get correct norwegian characters in ssh in ubuntu? (i use hoary hedgehog and aterm)
[09:46] <mophat> i just completely finished setting up this computer, vmware, win the works
[09:46] <HappyFool> thesamet: not sure. I think you might be able to use something called 'deborphan'
[09:46] <mophat> and now it's not forcing 32 bit at all
[09:46] <kalve> 1~
[09:46] <kalve> sorry
[09:48] <OdiiN> i've problem with X
[09:48] <OdiiN> it takes a long time to start, about 5 minutes
[09:48] <OdiiN> since i restart
[09:48] <OdiiN> gkshell for example aswell
[09:49] <OdiiN> anyone has a tip for this?
[09:49] <HappyFool> OdiiN: odd. have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for information?
[09:49] <alf> odiin....system specs!!!!
[09:49] <OdiiN> no,  i will see
[09:49] <OdiiN> is since I restart
[09:49] <mophat> any idea why my startup wouldn't be loading /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[09:50] <OdiiN> ive a64 3200, 512MB, kt800 motherboard
[09:50] <mophat> and do all the applicable settings have to be uncommented
[09:50] <alf> should not take that long!!!
[09:50] <cut0ff> OdiiN why don't use another desktop?
[09:50] <HappyFool> mophat: comment out the /dev/hdc parts of the file i pasted
[09:50] <cut0ff> OdiiN like Xfce
[09:51] <HappyFool> cut0ff: other than X ? ;)
[09:51] <HappyFool> mophat: you've uncommented everything? why?
[09:51] <alf> obvious...got the 64 bit version of ubuntu!!!???
[09:51] <OdiiN> i like gnome, why i need to change?
[09:51] <firefly2442> are there any bugs in the ubuntu software RAID partitioner because I can't seem to get it to work
[09:51] <cut0ff> HappyFool  wooo sorry
[09:52] <sarmiento> how i can edit the menu of gpanel?
[09:52] <mophat> HappyFool, : not everything , just between /dev and the end }
[09:52] <rabies> hi
[09:52] <rabies> im trying to change my resolution so that my modeline as it is (1920x540) is slightly smaller
[09:52] <OdiiN> this is the X.org log http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/605
[09:52] <mophat> and for the drives i have.. whats the deal with /dev/cdrom/cdrom0 .. are those automounts?
[09:52] <rabies> my current resolution is a bit too big
[09:52] <HappyFool> mophat: yes. don't try to apply hdparm to those
[09:52] <rabies> and this is a HDTV so i cant change it manually
[09:53] <anto9us> firefly2442: it works ok for me
[09:53] <rabies> i need 1900x520 or something, but i dont know how to modify the modeline
[09:54] <rabies> any help would be much appreciated
[09:54] <firefly2442> are there any basic HowTo's because when I try to partition the software RAID it fails and gives me a red screen
[09:54] <HappyFool> OdiiN: hmm, nothing obvious there
[09:54] <rabies> any at all..
[09:54] <OdiiN> :(
[09:54] <rabies> ironically its uniformly spilling over
[09:54] <HappyFool> rabies: you can look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, maybe
[09:54] <rabies> what am i looking for?
[09:54] <rabies> im using a modeline from DDC currently
[09:55] <Bloodmyst> Hi all, I recently had to install a new kernel image to get DRI on my video card, and now a lot of my video players crash when I play video on them.  Any ideas?
[09:55] <boga> when I load a .php file, the browser displays text! How do I make it display the page?
[09:55] <HappyFool> OdiiN: look also in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages -- maybe it's another service that's failing to start, e.g., if your network interface can't be brought up
[09:55] <firefly2442> boga: install php
[09:55] <firefly2442> boga: apt-get install php4
[09:55] <boga> it's installed
[09:55] <Bloodmyst> boga: make sure it's running
[09:56] <firefly2442> boga: do you have <?php  and   ?>
[09:56] <qt2-2> highvoltage, eh? freeciv2?
[09:56] <qt2-2> highvoltage, theres a sequel?
[09:56] <boga> firefly2442: I'll check
[09:56] <OdiiN> HappyFool: i change currently /etc/modules to load VIA ide drivers, could be this?
[09:56] <bojan> i get an error by creating a new project in anjuta. i think its because glademm is not installed. but where can i get it from?
[09:57] <HappyFool> OdiiN: um, could be, i don't know. Try taking it out and reboot?
[09:57] <OdiiN> ok
[09:57] <HappyFool> OdiiN: whatever you changed from when it was working is what you should test first
[09:57] <tritium> bojan, "apt-cache search glademm" to see which packages are available.  For development, you also need the -dev ones.
[09:57] <firefly2442> does each hard drive have to be logical or primary for the RAID?
[09:57] <rabies> modelines..
[09:57] <boga> firefly2442: Yes I do
[09:58] <highvoltage> qt2-2: yes, there is! http://www.freeciv.org
[09:58] <bojan> tritium: thx
[09:58] <firefly2442> what browser are you using?
[09:58] <highvoltage> if you want a deb, you can install from sarge.
[09:58] <tritium> bojan, sure thing :)
[09:58] <boga> konqueror
[09:58] <Bloodmyst> boga: Are you loading the php by going to "File -> Open"? or are you typing in the local url?
[09:58] <firefly2442> try firefox and see if it works
[09:58] <boga> Bloodmyst: I try via the url
[09:59] <boga> firefly2442: same with firefox
[09:59] <mophat> hdc: lost interrupt
[09:59] <Raskall> I've bought a new mobile phone today. An EGDE-capable phone. got 200 kbit/sec transfer rate from a train going 130 km/h
[09:59] <Bloodmyst> boga: are you sure your local web server is running?
[09:59] <boga> Bloodmyst: Incidentally, php4 is only 24.6Kb!
[09:59] <highvoltage> Raskall: how fast would it download if the train would move at 250km/h?
[09:59] <mophat> ide: failed opcode was 100
[10:00] <Bloodmyst> boga: that DOES sound a bit small
[10:00] <boga> Bloodmyst: yes. default  Html files load properly
[10:00] <Raskall> highvoltage: :) double the speed, of course. ;)
[10:00] <boga> Bloodmyst: I thought so
[10:00] <highvoltage> wow.
[10:00] <hondje> mophat: how many of those did you get?
[10:00] <Morti> Is there a specific Ubuntu PPC channel or just this one?
[10:00] <Bloodmyst> boga: I've never install php on Linux before, but I know it was quite a few mb to install on my Mac
[10:00] <bojan> tritium: hmm, all of them are already installed
[10:01] <mophat> hondje,  a few
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I think this is it
[10:01] <firefly2442> boga: can you paste the code maybe?
[10:01] <Raskall> highvoltage: the point is that I think it's quite impressive of the gsm network to keep track of my phone and keep a stable link at those kind of speeds.
[10:01] <firefly2442> boga: it could be you are "echoing" out text
[10:01] <Morti> Okay.
[10:01] <Morti> Just wondered.
[10:01] <boga> firefly2442: Ok
[10:01] <hondje> mophat: I get those too, 'usually' they arent' too bad, sometimes they indicate a dying drive
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Did you have a PPC specific problem?
[10:01] <highvoltage> Raskall: yes, i admit, that is quite impressive.
[10:01] <Morti> Nope.
[10:01] <tritium> bojan, really?  What kind of problems are you encountering?
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> Aye.
[10:01] <Morti> I'm just using Ubuntu PPC atm.
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> On a Mac?
[10:01] <Morti> Thought I'd pop in here pre-emptively. ;)
[10:01] <Morti> Yeah. iBook G4.
[10:02] <hondje> mophat: easiest way to find out is to install the smartmontools package, use smartctl to see how the drive is doing :)
[10:02] <mophat> hondje: something's just mad wrong tho.. because all three drives just stopped working
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Heh, I'm typing on mine with OS X Morti.
[10:02] <Morti> Heh.
[10:02] <hondje> mophat: ooooh, fascinating.  Using the 686 kernel?
[10:02] <golfen> hi
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Morti: How old is yours?
[10:02] <Morti> It's a nice machine, except for the whole "one mouse button" thing.
[10:02] <Morti> Dunno, borrowing it from work.
[10:02] <konki> anyone knows why VLC can't play my .wmv files, only audio output but there is no video output... any suggestion
[10:02] <Morti> Not very old.
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yeah, there are external mice though...
[10:02] <golfen> does anyone installed an silicon image 3112A with ubuntu?
[10:02] <rainingzigzags> how do i install java for firefox? says i have to do a manual install but then it wont let me
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Are you a new Mac user?
[10:02] <HappyFool> !java
[10:02] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:03] <Morti> Bloodmyst: True, but that always feels like a bit of a copout with laptops.
[10:03] <golfen> my new system found the controller and the disk, but there is no /dev/sda
[10:03] <Bloodmyst> Morti: True.
[10:03] <Morti> Plus I'll be on a coach tomorrow, can't use a mouse there really.
[10:03] <lollercoaster> how often does google purge pages that dont exist from its listings?
[10:03] <qt2-2> highvoltage, too bad it's not in synaptic yet... :P
[10:03] <Morti> Yeah, don't use a Mac normally.
[10:03] <boga> firefly2442: seen my paste at #flood?
[10:03] <disposable_mike> konki: try w32codecs
[10:03] <firefly2442> does the linux software RAID take care of slight variations in hard drive sizes?
[10:03] <golfen> everything i tried fails, any ideas?
[10:03] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yeah, if you have time, check out OS X also.  It'd be a good idea to dual-boot.  OS X is my favorite *Nix so far.
[10:03] <Morti> It looks pretty, mI'll give it that.
[10:03] <Morti> This laptop used to have OS X on it.
[10:04] <mophat> hondje: 2.6.10-5-386 ???  erp
[10:04] <Morti> Then we installed Ubuntu.
[10:04] <Morti> For kicks, mostly.
[10:04] <bojan> tritium: if i make a new project. i get the following warnings: "It is because either glade (for gtk/gnome projects) or glademm (for gtkmm/gnomemm projects) is not installed
[10:04] <konki> disposable_mike, is there an apt-get for that codec??
[10:04] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Heh, Yeah, I was thinking of dual-booting but I don't have the HD space
[10:04] <disposable_mike> konki: should just be w32codecs
[10:04] <A[D] minS> how i can start service and stop it in Ubuntu?
[10:04] <mophat> hondje, : do you think i just need a K update?
[10:04] <mophat> kernel
[10:04] <Bloodmyst> A[D] minS: Start and Stop what service?
[10:04] <firefly2442> boga: how to I see it?
[10:04] <Morti> Bloodmyst: This seems to have a 40GB hard drive and hardly any of it used up.
[10:04] <hondje> mophat: maybe, but I ran into a very similar problem
[10:04] <tritium> bojan, I haven't used anjuta.  Did you verify that you have gtk and gnome -dev packages also?
[10:04] <A[D] minS> dictd server
[10:05] <A[D] minS> Bloodmyst,  for kdict dictionry
[10:05] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yeah mine's only 30GB.  I was thinking of installing a 60 or 80GB sometime
[10:05] <mophat> i wonder if one drives out, if it could throw them all off
[10:05] <bojan> tritium: i'm going to do that
[10:05] <hondje> mophat: it was acting like my hdds died, both of them, but everything else told me they were fine
[10:05] <Bloodmyst> A[D] minS: Ahh, I have no clue on that one.
[10:05] <mophat> i just spent 12 hours installing/tweaking this computer.. it was running fine.. i've just done something i can't traace.. fack
[10:05] <hondje> mophat: I dunno, I haven't tried testing that :)
[10:05] <A[D] minS> Bloodmyst,  how i can start httpd  ?
[10:05] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I'm guessing you don't have wireless running eh?
[10:05] <Morti> Nope.
[10:06] <Will_> My ubuntu box has 3x120GB drives and a 80GB. It overheats now high summer is here
[10:06] <Morti> Does this thing have wireless support?
[10:06] <hondje> I'm half convinced it's a kernel bug, hda is brandnew
[10:06] <mophat> hondje, : so are yuou saying your drives all died
[10:06] <firefly2442> boga: can you post it again?
[10:06] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I don't think Ubuntu supports it.
[10:06] <mophat> hondje,  or just one
[10:06] <Morti> Linux does so presumably Ubuntu does.
[10:06] <Morti> Whether or not it'd take some hacking about is another matter.
[10:06] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Want to see something cool though? Lift up the two tabs on the top of the keyboard, and that's the spot for the internal card and RAM
[10:06] <mophat> hondje,  or you had a problem, where it seemed like they were dying
[10:06] <hondje> mophat: they didn't die, per se, they just started throwing back crazy errors, and both needed a serious fscking
[10:06] <Deep6> guys how do  I do  this in firefox?
[10:06] <mophat> cause that's basically what's happenin here
[10:06] <Deep6> Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me
[10:06] <Deep6> access addons.mozilla.org
[10:06] <redtech> wifi is all i use in mine.
[10:07] <Deep6> where is about:config?
[10:07] <hondje> mophat: and on boot sometimes it'll say hda or hdb isn't ready
[10:07] <Morti> In all fairness, that is fairly cool.
[10:07] <Deep6> there is no config in the about dialogue
[10:07] <mophat> hondje, : i can't even enable 32/dma on my cd drives, let alone the hd
[10:07] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I think Ubuntu only works with Airport cards, not Airport Extreme cards.
[10:07] <mophat> hondje, : that sounds like it could be a power issue
[10:07] <mophat> hondje, : crappy power cable/ not enough juice from the supply
[10:07] <konki> disposable_mike, i tried finding it on my synaptic pkg mngr. but there is no w32codec there...
[10:07] <bojan> tritium: there are a lot gtk packages
[10:07] <Bloodmyst> Morti: You could get a USB device, but it's just not as good.  The iBook has a built in antenna in the display, and the range is much better than any other solution.
[10:07] <hondje> mophat: I never thought power, I tend to assume OEMs know how much power to put in
[10:08] <Morti> Hmm.
[10:08] <Morti> I don't think I put the keyboard back in properly.
[10:08] <Bloodmyst> Morti: It's a bit tricky to get back in, but just ease it in
[10:09] <mophat> apt-get install which kernel pack
[10:09] <mophat> damn
[10:09] <mophat> i686
[10:09] <Morti> It's kind of half in and I can't get it out again.
[10:09] <golfen> hi, i need some support to install my maxtor harddisk (sata, silicon image 3112A) with ubuntu
[10:09] <_DuDe_> What does it mean when INSTALL.txt says [Type "make install DEST=<directory>"] , where do I type it?
[10:09] <firefly2442> morti: put the lower half in first and hold the tabs in
[10:10] <Morti> There it goes.
[10:10] <Morti> Neat.
[10:10] <firefly2442> boga: you still there?
[10:10] <boga> yeap
[10:10] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yup.    Until then OS X is the only way to go for Wifi.
[10:12] <OdiiN> is correct http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/606 ?
[10:12] <mophat> i made a clone of my windows drve, rebooted
[10:12] <mophat> now NOTHING
[10:13] <mophat> 32 bit gone
[10:13] <spiral> hi
[10:13] <mophat> no reason, hdparm not touched
[10:13] <HappyFool> OdiiN: I'm not really clued up on iptables, but I'll take a look
[10:13] <OdiiN> thanks
[10:13] <Morti> Anyone tried mplayer on a PPC, btw?
[10:13] <HappyFool> OdiiN: sorry, i don't know if that's right or not
[10:13] <boga> firefly2442: got it?
[10:14] <_DuDe_> What does it mean when INSTALL.txt says [Type "make install DEST=<directory>"] , where do I type it?
[10:14] <OdiiN> is in the good folder to execute at start ?
[10:14] <firefly2442> boga: yes, lemme check here....
[10:14] <HappyFool> OdiiN: yip
[10:14] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: in the terminal; Applications -> System tools -> terminal
[10:15] <firefly2442> boga: try taking out the phpinfo() section, that is giving you a lot of text which might be what you are seing
[10:15] <firefly2442> boga: once you take that out does it display the date?
[10:16] <boga> firefly2442: not at all! All it displays is that entire text
[10:16] <firefly2442> is it a .php file?
[10:16] <firefly2442> not .html
[10:16] <boga> yes.
[10:17] <firefly2442> boga: take out the meta stuff
[10:17] <boga> ok
[10:17] <firefly2442> boga: that might confuse the browser
[10:17] <firefly2442> boga: just to see if it works
[10:17] <_DuDe_> Starting Configuration...
[10:17] <_DuDe_> checking for gcc... no
[10:17] <_DuDe_> checking for cc... no
[10:17] <_DuDe_> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[10:17] <_DuDe_> what should I do????
[10:17] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: what are you trying to install?
[10:17] <_DuDe_> EggDrop
[10:18] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: you need to install build tools; start with 'build-essential'
[10:18] <mophat> how can i manually enable 32 bit IO mode for /dev/hda with hdparm
[10:18] <_DuDe_> Where would I do that???
[10:18] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: eggdrop is available via synaptic, you don't need to compile it
[10:18] <mophat> hdparm - ???  /dev/hda
[10:18] <stan-am> has anyone seen min?
[10:18] <HappyFool> !repositories
[10:18] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:18] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, Where can I get that?
[10:18] <HappyFool> !synaptic
[10:18] <ubotu> methinks synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:18] <HappyFool> !apt
[10:18] <ubotu> from memory, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[10:19] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: start by reading those three urls