[05:44] <ayad> how to install steam from terminal?
[05:44] <ayad> sudo get apt-steam???
[05:47] <Astro7467> sudo apt-get install steam
[09:35] <mate|70656> what are the pros of ubuntu mate over ubuntu..
[09:37] <Astro7467> Lower system requirements/footprint, traditional (yet flexible/customisable) user interface + advantages of being built on, and part of, Ubuntu
[09:42] <mate|70656> I am using ubuntu on a hp notebook with intel i3, 4 gb ram without graphics card. It feels a bit slower..
[09:42] <mate|70656> Can it be improved with ubuntu mate?
[09:43] <Astro7467> I don't have the figures off the top of my head, but if you are using up a lot of RAM, then MATE may help
[09:44] <Astro7467> You can add the MATE DE to an existing Ubuntu install - you just need to install the desktop package and at login change the desktop environment to use (Unity or MATE)
[09:45] <mate|70656> Would you please help me with minimum partition sizes while creating manual partitioning for installing ubuntu mate...
[09:45] <mate|70656> I am dual booting with windows 10
[09:46] <mate|70656> Do I really need to create swap partition...what should be the minimum size...
[09:47] <Astro7467> for root partition the smallest I would go is 16GB
[09:48] <Astro7467> smaller possible _my systems with clean install and additional packages (libreoffice updates etc) use 6.4GB
[09:50] <Astro7467> you can skip a swap partition - you can use a swapfile to avoid the extra partitioning needs - think 17.04 will be swapfile by defualt (I'm focused on LTS, so someone more familiar shld be able to confirm/deny that)
[09:50] <mate|70656> I have given 15 GB to root and 5 gb home and 5 gb for swap.
[09:51] <mate|70656> does it qualify for a good enough system for begining with linux
[09:52] <Astro7467> Yes - i3 & 4GB shld be sufficent for light desktop needs - i.e. not running a lot of apps at the same time and expecting to be able to swap between them quickly
[09:53] <Astro7467> note that web browsers tend to be the biggest users of RAM - lots of tabs etc will cause high RAM consumption
[09:53] <Astro7467> not unusual to see FF or Chrome consume 1GB+ of RAM
[09:55] <Astro7467> I say this with hesitation, so pls be aware there are additional risks involved - you can just have a single partition where root & home reside
[09:55] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/315110326/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings_17.04.2_17.04.3.diff.gz
[09:55] <jbicha> good morning
[09:55] <mate|70656> How can I swap swap partition with the swap file and what should be size of swap file...
[09:55] <flexiondotorg> jbicha Hi :-)
[09:56] <Astro7467> so a single partition & a swapfile (which you cld grow/shrink to your needs) with 20GB of space would give you a flexible amount of space
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> Thanks for sharing!
[09:58] <mate|70656> I have created three partitions 15 gb root, 5gb home, 5gb swap...now what should I change.?
[09:58] <Astro7467> If you have already created them, I suggest just leaving AS-IS
[09:58] <jbicha> well, Ubuntu GNOME borrowed the homepage customization from Ubuntu MATE
[10:00] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: I also fixed LP: #1681351 for Ubuntu GNOME today
[10:01] <Astro7467> mate|70656:
[10:01] <jbicha> and you saw https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-March/004070.html right?
[10:01] <jbicha> last minute seed changes are uncomfortable but I figured these additions are useful
[10:02] <flexiondotorg> jbicha What should build-essentials be installed by default though?
[10:02] <jbicha> there will need to be a zesty respin anyway for ubiquity
[10:03] <jbicha> in the bug report, I pointed to someone who complained about it being useful for installing proprietary wifi drivers
[10:03] <jbicha> you're welcome to leave things as they are for zesty though if you want
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> jbicha Ubuntu MATE has the exFAT stuff seeded.
[10:04] <flexiondotorg> As for Wireless drivers, we have a section in Ubuntu MATE Welcome to assist with that that pulls in the required tool post install.
[10:04] <flexiondotorg> Out image is quite flabby :-)
[10:04] <jbicha> ok, so you're ahead of us! :)
[10:04] <flexiondotorg> I'm trying to keep it on a diet ;-)
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> That Firefox fix is much appreciated, thank you!
[10:19] <alkisg> jbicha: so next Ubuntu will start off from ubuntu-gnome?
[10:19] <alkisg> (hi all btw)
[10:20] <alkisg> There' won't be an ubuntu-gnome spin anymore, it'll just be called ubuntu?
[10:31] <jbicha> alkisg: Ubuntu GNOME will be making an announcement later this week to hopefully answer some of the bigger questions :)
[10:49] <alkisg> Cool; I'll wait to read it :)
[11:08] <el3phanten> Hi. How do I set mouse and touchpad speed independently?
[11:08] <el3phanten> ubuntu mate 16.04
[11:58] <HendiMan> Hello, does anyone know how to lower mouse sensitivity beyond the gui tool?
[11:58] <HendiMan> I have tried google but many suggestions do not work
[12:01] <el3phanten> HendiMan: http://askubuntu.com/questions/205676/how-to-change-mouse-speed-sensitivity did you try this one?
[12:04] <HendiMan> yes, no luck
[12:06] <el3phanten> works for me. Set the "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" to a higher number
[12:07] <el3phanten> I just had to do this to set my mouse and touchpad speed independent
[12:11] <HendiMan> my mouse does not have that option in --list-props
[13:24] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, updates settings on my bare-metal 17.04 Beta 2 install are set to download and install automatically for security updates. Is that normal? I though the default policy was "don't do anything automatically by default"
[13:31] <flexiondotorg> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[13:31] <flexiondotorg> Installing security updates is the correct behaviour.
[13:33] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I'm not disputing that, but usually the desktop user gets a say in when to do it. This changed in 16.04 when we discovered the missing dependency unattended-upgrades, and back then adding that package automatically selected that option, but afaik this shouldn't be default.
[13:34] <alkisg> The very annoying part of this is, `apt-get update` => can't because of dpkg lock
[13:34] <alkisg> Then `killall apt` or stuff like that => broken packages because it was installing
[13:35] <alkisg> IMHO it shouldn't be the default until it's properly displayed to the users, that apt is working behind the scenes
[13:35] <alkisg> I've seen many users get issues because of that. So security updates are supposed to help, but break systems instead.
[13:36] <ouroumov_> alkisg, flexiondotorg : apparently vanilla Ubuntu also uses that setting.
[13:36] <ouroumov_> the 17.04 Beta2 I mean
[13:36] <alkisg> Sure; it's just as bad there imho
[13:36] <alkisg> They could do it graphically, with a dialog; or on shutdown, like windows "installing updates" does
[13:36] <alkisg> But not behind the scenes
[13:37] <ouroumov_> alkisg, I'm pointing that out because for all I know this might be part of the requirement to qualify as official ubuntu derivative, in which case I'd retract my objection
[13:38] <alkisg> I would file the objection against ubuntu as well :D
[13:43] <ouroumov_> alkisg, you mean in the form of a bug report? :p
[13:46] <alkisg> Yup, why not
[13:46] <alkisg> E.g. "trying to install software from gnome-software doesn't work because apt is installing security updates behind the scenes"
[13:46] <alkisg> It's a real issue... they should put support for this in multiple places before landing it
[14:01] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, wrt this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-settings/+bug/1605887 is it normal that the package ubuntu-mate-settings does not appear to be in Zesty? (according to apt-cache policy and apt-cache search)
[14:26] <alkisg> ouroumov_, apt show ubuntu-mate-default-settings | grep ^Source
[14:26] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate-settings is the source package for the ubuntu-mate-default-settings binary package
[14:27] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: on Windows, it worked when I used the line from https://developer.mozilla.org/Firefox/Enterprise_deployment
[14:28] <jbicha> defaultPref("browser.startup.homepage","data:text/plain,browser.startup.homepage=http://home.example.com");
[14:28] <jbicha> but it's not working for me in Ubuntu
[14:31] <ouroumov_> alkisg, ok
[15:05] <flexiondotorg> jbicha I think this is a bug.
[18:09] <sage__> Hi I installed Ubuntu Mate yesterday and I really like the interface
[18:11] <el3phanten> sage__: me too
[18:11] <el3phanten> on two computers
[18:12] <el3phanten> and it works. Been distro hopping for a while
[18:12] <el3phanten> takes  2 seconds to boot
[18:13] <el3phanten> sage__: with copiz as window manager
[18:13] <el3phanten> compiz*
[18:15] <sage__> it takes me awhile too boot but I dont have the BIOS password
[18:16] <sage__> I bought it used and the shop that sold it to me is tracking it down
[18:16] <el3phanten> ok. ssd?
[18:17] <sage__> hdd
[18:17] <el3phanten> ok yea, I have ssd on both of my computers. Thats why my boot is so fast
[18:17] <sage__> I have a 2013 Thinkpad edge
[18:18] <el3phanten> but kubuntu did not boot that fast, and opensuse with kde, eiter
[18:18] <el3phanten> so ubuntu mate boots faster than both
[18:19] <el3phanten> I have ideapad y700
[18:19] <sage__> it has a slot for an mSATA ssd, I'm going to buy a 32 gig boot disk
[18:20] <el3phanten> no slot for m.2?
[18:21] <el3phanten> probably not if its from 2013
[18:21] <sage__> yeah its just a regular msata
[18:21] <sage__> but thats ok with me
[18:22] <el3phanten> yea it will boot faster
[18:22] <el3phanten> I have used ubuntu mate before. And now turned back
[18:23] <sage__> I really like the drop down menus
[18:27] <sage__> it's easier to stay on task (I have ADD)
[19:55] <paulgr> someone you be to México?
[19:55] <paulgr> hi what's up?
[19:55] <paulgr> or someone chat in spanish?
[20:04] <sage__> Puedo hablar en espanol
[20:11] <el3phanten> Puedo traductor de Google
[20:11] <el3phanten> :D
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> paulgr, im from mexico
[20:33] <DarkPsydeLord> paulgr, also theres #ubuntu-es
[20:57] <paulgr> hi :D
[20:57] <paulgr> Dark de donde eres?
[20:58] <paulgr> hola jaja alguien que sepa hablar español?
[21:04] <DarkPsydeLord> de león vente a #Ubuntu-es
[21:15] <DarkPsydeLord> paulgr, si sabes como unirte a otros canales irc?
[21:15] <paulgr> no Dx soy nuevo en ubuntu
[21:16] <paulgr> me dejaron una practica de Concurrente y paralela de MPI y me dijo la profa que necesitaba ubuntu
[21:17] <paulgr> asi que instale Mate porque es mas lijera que la normal, pero se ve interesante la comunidad, estudio Ing en Cs. de la Computacion en la BUAP en Puebla Mexico :D
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> ok que cliente usas de irc? hexchat?
[21:21] <paulgr> si
[21:21] <paulgr> exacto xD
[21:21] <paulgr> ese
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> arriba donde dice server le pones join a channel y escribes ubuntu-es
[21:22] <DarkPsydeLord> y llegaras al canal de ubuntu en español
[21:22] <paulgr> gracais ya pude xD voy a andar por alla
[22:27] <mate|701> Is anyone around?
[22:28] <mate|701> I guess not.


[20:13] <beyossi> I am looking for some beginning guidelines for using existing portings into OMAP35xx platform (particularly beagleboard). Is that the right IRC channel?
[20:15] <ogra> beyossi, try #ubuntu-arm
[20:15] <beyossi> thanks!


[01:15] <jefimenko> is there more documentation anywhere on instances?
[11:06] <andoo> hi
[11:06] <andoo> is there a proper way to deactivate jobs from being started by upstart?
[11:07] <andoo> and a second question: is there any event that signals the network settings being up and running?
[16:42] <Wampyre> Hello!
[16:42] <Wampyre> Does the location of the emits keyword in my conf file make any difference?
[16:43] <mbiebl> Wampyre: no.
[16:43] <mbiebl> it doesn't really have any effect either
[16:43] <mbiebl> it's purely for documentation purposes
[16:43] <Wampyre> No?  I thought that's how you triggered something else to start when the service starts.
[16:43] <Wampyre> If it's not for that, then what is?
[16:50] <ion> It automatically emits ‘starting jobname’ and ‘started jobname’
[16:50] <ion> initctl emit for custom events.
[16:50] <Wampyre> Got that :)  Now my service starts like it should!
[16:50] <Wampyre> Woo Hoo!


[10:15] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Upgrade Kubuntu amd64 [Focal Final] (20200420) has been added
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 Do you have notes for me to make a Kubuntu 20.04 video?
 @MichaelTunnell, Like? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 Yes and what do you think is the most exciting difference between 18.04 and 19.10?
 Honestly, Plasma overall is just so much better
 Most things are really just improved overall. Incrementally as KDE tends to do
 @DarinMiller what are you typing? lol
 Michael, there are literally thousands of updates since 18.04.  Sys settings UI is polished and much more consistent from one category to the next.  Wayland support is much better (including monitor rotation and individual scale per screen, etc) but it not quite ready for everyone (especially NVidia users).  The desktop settings icon/hamburger has been moved to the desktop right click menu (customize layout).
 Notifications have been stream-lined and behavior/presentation has been refined (timeout indicator circling the close icon, better grouping).
 I know a lot has been changed but I want to know what you consider the most exciting. This is for the Kubuntu 20.04 release video and I am just curious if anything pops out that you want to make sure is included in the video. … notifications changes is a big one to include for sure
 Sound Indicator in the taskbar?
 Native night color support for X.org
 I think Night Color was added after 18.04 (but I don't use it).  Many of the papercuts or inconsistencies have been addressed, so individually they seem trivial, but from an overall experience, everything has the next level of polish.
 Good point X. Managing sound per device and application is much improved and very intuitive for setting defaults.
 ^via the speaker icon in the panel.
 ok cool thanks for the input
 should I include stock footage of a random bug walking around on a dirty laptop?
 I am not familiar with "the bug walking around on a dirty laptop" reference.
 this was the release video from KDE about 5.18 … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVJUOWko98
 its a wonderful example of how not to make videos
 Kubuntu release notes it says latte dock updated, is latte dock installed by default?
 Oh, that video.  I was not overly impressed with that video, either...
 @DarinMiller, honestly most of their videos these days are kind of bad because they use so much stock footage its just weak . . . their latest dolphin video uses stock footage of a macbook like come on people
 @MichaelTunnell, No
 their contest winner video was pretty good but thats because they had nothing to do with making it lol . . . ha got em
 @RikMills, maybe it should be next time :D
 not used by default, just installed I mean
 @MichaelTunnell, Maybe an option for 20.10
 @MichaelTunnell, It would be nice if right click,  add panel, included a latte config at some point
 if the user types "latte" in krunner, "get latte" is the top option and launches Discover, Latte selected giving the user the option to install.  This behavior would be great to demo in the video.
 @RikMills, very much agreed! … I think latte is fantastic and making it easy to get started with would be a very good feature to have. … at this point I prefer Latte Dock entirely over the default plasma panels so I would highly recommend using it at least in an easy way to get started with it
 @DarinMiller, ok so first, I think Latte should already be there so that doesn't solve that part. … second, that is a cool feature of plasma in regards to including that in the video so great idea, will do :D
 which do you think should get more focus in the video? … 20.04 vs 18.04 … 20.04 vs 19.10 … or a mix of both?
 I think people who already venture into the short term releases will be aware of progressive changes.  Thus, I think convincing current 18.04 LTS users would be a "better" target.
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-lts-final-release-status-tracking/15366/3
[20:05] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal Final] has been updated (20200421)
[20:13] <RikMills> new ISO spin, but expect another tomorrow
 So wait until tomorrow to for further install testing?
 @DarinMiller, Todays has some Ubiquity fixes. Should not impact us, but you never know with unintended consequences. if left to test until Wed PM, any unexpected regression would be a more rushed fix.
 So if you have the time to test and don't mind, would be good.
 OK, zsync'ing now
 Ctrl-c to skip disk check worked today! :)
[21:47] <mparillo> It's nice when your pet bug is resolved.
[22:11] <mparillo> zsyncing, but do I read correctly that new ISOs are coming tomorrow? In the morning GMT?
 Correct new ISO's expected tomorrow.  Rik just wanted a quick test to ensure something silly was not broken with last round of updates.... and they're not.  Live session and full disk install was flawless.
[22:15] <mparillo> Thanks. Well less to zsync tomorrow morning I guess.


 Happy Friday, and happy World Smile Day! 😁
[09:41] <Gargoyle> :D
[09:41] <Gargoyle> Mornin'
[10:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnkyT0D31qI
[10:13] <Gargoyle> How do I find my Java home dir / current JDK path?
[11:06] <JamesTait> Gargoyle, does `update-alternatives --display java` help?
[11:12] <Gargoyle> JamesTait, Yup, thanks. I found it "manually" but wanted to know what the "proper" way was for the default one the system is using.
[13:14] <knightwise> Harg !
[13:14] <knightwise> Hope its weekend soon :(
[13:22] <SuperMatt> me too
[13:23] <SuperMatt> although I'm doing my other job tomorrow
[13:23] <SuperMatt> so I don't get much of a weekend
[13:24] <knightwise> SuperMatt: know what you mean
[13:24] <knightwise> Harg :( Did some consulting for a client last week , did a meeting,  wrote up a report .. now he refuses to pay because we didnt make him a quote.
[13:25] <knightwise> Cant believe people "assume" that because you are a consultant, all the advice you give is for free
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> they're trying it on
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> anything to get out of paying
[13:28] <SuperMatt> I have the problem with my other job is that I have to invoice my "boss", who invoices the client, so it takes months to get paid :(
[13:33] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: true , this client usually pays very fast and pays up for all the work we do, so i'm gonna have to let this "slide" .. grr
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> in that case i'd find a way to increase 1-2 of those bills to not get the money back but get the money out of their hands so less of a victory... but i'm petty like that :-)
[13:45] <knightwise> Yep , gonna slide in those hours in the next bills
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> #littlevictories
[13:48] <knightwise> yeah .. its gonna be like that
[13:48] <knightwise> man i hate working for those small companies sometimes
[13:48] <knightwise> did some work for 2 shops in town here (Consulting on social media) both : did not get payed
[13:48] <knightwise> (yet)
[14:12] <diddledan> https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/tim_bernerslee_just_gave_us_opening_stop_drm_web_standards
[18:02] <diddledan> it's a gentoo upgrade night
[18:02] <diddledan> \o/ for gentoo </troll>
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> is there a compiling benefit to using gentoo? :-P
[18:04] <diddledan> this cycle needs new kernel compilation so I've got to faff-about in menuconfig
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> so how many hours does it take to compile?  and on what cpu/ram config?
[18:24] <diddledan> too many
[20:19] <diddledan> I kinda think that Microsoft have much grander plans for the Windows Subsystem-for-Linux than they've told us about so far. They just shipped an insider build that includes the pivot_root syscall, which for "Bash on Windows" seems a bit out-of-scope
[20:53] <Gargoyle> Any thoughts on why I've lost the ability to Super+Tab between apps? (Running gnome, not unity)
[20:58] <Gargoyle> Strange... Only happens when netbeans is running!
[20:59] <brobostigon> new mock the week, bbc2, :)


[00:23] <JEDIDIAH__> You can use HDMI for video (but not sound) just fine without using the beta/vdpau drivers.
[06:17] <coolego1> Hello, I've been working on installing Mythbuntu 8.10 on an old box I have laying around with an ATI HDTV wonder card.  I am following the instructions from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_HDTV_Wonder but I am hung up on getting it to lock onto HD channels.  I have not tried to work with analog TV, only digital.  I don't know how to manually configure the kernel, although there are diagrams on the site...
[07:22] <zeltak> hi anyone awake :) ?
[08:56] <Dono_> I allowed some updates that the update reminder thingy wanted to install, not the USB tuner doesn't work - dmesg seems to indicate a crash or something. How can I see what those couple things I installed were to uninstall them?
[08:56] <Dono_> (d'oh)
[09:46] <Dono_> I see what updates were installed from the dpkg log but don't know how to downgrade the packages...
[09:51] <Dono_> Okay, so I know how to downgrade using aptitude, so I might get this fixed
[09:56] <Dono_> Actually, I can't downgrade if aptitude doesn't know where to find the other versions...
[09:56] <Dono_> (other=older)
[10:07] <Dono_> Hmmm. Very strange, but I've corrected the problem or it has corrected itself somehow. Carry on :)
[14:42] <daveo78> Guys I know this is a ubuntu channel but anyone here use a macmini as a frontend using OSX
[14:42] <JEDIDIAH__> nope. My Macs run Ubuntu
[14:42] <daveo78> ok
[14:43] <daveo78> I'm getting tearing and lockups when running mythfrontend on my mini and was wondering what video settings people are using
[14:43] <daveo78> dont know if there the same under ubuntu or not
[14:43] <JEDIDIAH__> tearing and lockups are probably different issues.
[14:44] <JEDIDIAH__> check the mailing list archive for the tearing.
[14:44] <daveo78> like when I use my HDhomerun it just cant handle the video and then oddly the audio hardware locksup and I have to restart to get my sound back
[14:45] <daveo78> odd isnt it
[17:02] <mike_hurley> anybody know about the default samba settings in mythbuntu 8.10 and mythdora 10.21?  samba worked fine under mythbuntu and for the life of me i cannot access my machine under samba in mythdora (even with mythbuntu's smb.conf).
[17:02] <mike_hurley> i assume it's something like prelinked user accounts or groups
[17:06] <coolego1> Hello, I've been working on installing Mythbuntu 8.10 on an old box I have laying around with an ATI HDTV wonder card.  I am following the instructions from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_HDTV_Wonder but I am hung up on getting it to lock onto HD channels.  I have not tried to work with analog TV, only digital.
[17:29] <JEDIDIAH__> the newer versions of myth have playback settings that might not make sense for your hardware. After I upgraded to 0.21 I had to tweak my playback profiles to get my performance and responsiveness back.
[17:30] <JEDIDIAH__> a mini should definitely be able to handle 1080i MPEG2.
[17:31] <JEDIDIAH__> both of my panels run at 1080, so that might make a difference in my case.
[17:32] <coolego1> I can't lock into channels - when I scan I get nothing
[17:53] <JEDIDIAH__> ...depending on the signal quality you won't be able to lock onto anything.
[18:09] <coolego1> I got locked, but now the interlacing makes the video look horrible
[18:26] <sirhc_> Hello, i am looking for some help on an ATI remote.. using gnome lirc configuration to try and set it up, but i must be missing some detail.
[18:41] <sirhc_> packages i have installed: mythbuntu-lirc-generator / lirc / gnome-lirc-properties / liblircclient-dev / inputlirc / liblircclient0 / lirc-x <all latest versions on ubuntu 8.10>
[19:30] <sirhc_> hello JEDIDIAH.. thanks for all your help the other day.. i am down to my last bug..
[19:30] <sirhc_> ATI USB remote


[04:28] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[04:33] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[04:40] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[05:38] <didrocks> good morning
[05:38] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[05:39] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[05:46] <oSoMoN> didrocks, comme un vendredi :) et toi?
[05:46] <ricotz> good morning everyone :)
[05:47] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, même réponse :)
[05:47] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[05:53] <duflu> Morning didrocks and ricotz
[05:56] <didrocks> hey duflu
[05:58] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz
[06:01] <ricotz> heya oSoMoN duflu duflu
[06:20] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:23] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:24] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:39] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:50] <jibel> salut duflu oSoMoN didrocks
[09:38] <ricotz> RikMills, hi, could you confirm this issue in ubuntu https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144037
[09:39] <RikMills> ricotz: is that the version in impish release pocket?
[09:39] <ricotz> RikMills, yes
[09:40]  * RikMills updates system
[09:41]  * ricotz assumes RikMills is running kubuntu :)
[09:41] <RikMills> I am
[09:47] <RikMills> ricotz: Table > Insert Table; worked for me
[09:47] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/nE7k7oM.png
[09:48] <ricotz> RikMills, using the "Toolbar" is the problem here
[09:48] <RikMills> ohhhhhhhhhh
[09:49] <ricotz> so the normal menu should work, but most functions provided by popup menus of the toolbar are broken
[09:50] <ricotz> e.g. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144485
[09:50] <RikMills> ricotz: confirmed
[09:50] <ricotz> RikMills, thanks
[09:51] <RikMills> I need more coffee to understand the meaning of toolbar 1st go around!
[09:51] <ricotz> don't worry :-)
[10:00] <KGB-2> pango pristine-tar c2bd3c6 Simon McVittie pango1.0_1.48.10+ds1.orig.tar.xz.delta pango1.0_1.48.10+ds1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for pango1.0_1.48.10+ds1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3ZSr2
[10:00] <KGB-2> pango upstream/latest 71e3944 Matthias Clasen pango/pango-renderer.c * renderer: Don't divide by zero * https://deb.li/Atwi
[10:00] <KGB-2> pango upstream/latest 8011082 Peng Wu utils/viewer-pangoft2.c * Support antialias option in pango-view with the FreeType backend * https://deb.li/30YYh
[10:00] <KGB-2> pango upstream/latest 722c8e0 Peng Wu utils/viewer-main.c * Switch to use GraphicsMagick in pango-view * https://deb.li/dYnn
[10:01] <KGB-2> pango upstream/latest dc5bde2 Matthias Clasen NEWS meson.build * 1.48.10 * https://deb.li/3Yif7
[10:01] <KGB-2> pango upstream/latest 9bad309 Simon McVittie (30 files in 9 dirs) * New upstream version 1.48.10+ds1 * https://deb.li/3pstU
[10:01] <KGB-2> pango tags 48ccb72 Simon McVittie upstream/1.48.10+ds1 * Upstream version 1.48.10+ds1 * https://deb.li/ij7BF
[10:36] <RikMills> ricotz: kde dev also filed this: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144567
[10:36] <RikMills> fyi
[10:37] <ricotz> RikMills, looks like a dupe of the mentioned problem
[10:37] <RikMills> indeed
[10:37] <ricotz> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144485
[10:38] <ricotz> RikMills, jyi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:7.2.1-0ubuntu1
[10:38] <ricotz> jfyi ;)
[10:39] <RikMills> I'll test that from proposed once the amd64 build is available
[10:39] <ricotz> thank you!
[10:39] <RikMills> np
[10:49] <ricotz> hmm, did gcc change again since last week :((
[11:03] <ricotz> doko, hi, was there another arm cpu flag changes since last week in GCC?
[11:08] <ricotz> libreoffice suddenly fails to build on armhf with "armhelper.s:54: Error: selected processor does not support `vpush {d0-d7}' in ARM mode"
[11:09] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup signed tags d27befd Jeremy Bicha upstream/41.0 * Upstream version 41.0 * https://deb.li/3meLi
[11:10] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 1fb6bbd Jeremy Bicha * pushed 78 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/igcQd
[11:10] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 0da6e00 Baurzhan Muftakhidinov po/kk.po * Update Kazakh translation * https://deb.li/2Os4
[11:10] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 92001fd Zander Brown po/en_GB.po * Update British English translation * https://deb.li/3hcFD
[11:10] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 64a7c0a Philipp Kiemle po/de.po * Update German translation * https://deb.li/8FUj
[11:10] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest a5886de Danial Behzadi po/fa.po * Update Persian translation * https://deb.li/3oV1R
[11:10] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 300b5c9 Seong-ho Cho po/ko.po * Update Korean translation * https://deb.li/SVnx
[11:11] <KGB-1> gnome-initial-setup pristine-tar dc347a9 Jeremy Bicha gnome-initial-setup_41.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-initial-setup_41.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-initial-setup_41.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3zOdE
[12:09] <oSoMoN> hey GunnarHj, good afternoon! I'm preparing an upload for the impish wallpapers (bug #1942437), which requires a UI freeze exception. Can you confirm this is okay from a docs and translations teams perspective?
[12:17] <GunnarHj> oSoMoN: Made a note on the bug.
[12:30] <oSoMoN> GunnarHj, thanks!
[15:18] <doko> ricotz, see in the boost1.74 delta for a suggested fix
[15:25] <ricotz> doko, thanks


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[00:48] <nhandler> niko: !ops is just a normal factoid. It would require making a special exception for it in the code.
[00:48] <nhandler> What about adding a delay so that people need to be in the channel X seconds before using the factoids?
[00:49] <jpds> .
[00:50] <IdleOne> nhandler: I think a 10 minute delay before !trigger can be used would be decent
[00:51] <IdleOne> maybe 5 min
[00:51] <IdleOne> more then 5 seconds that's for sure
[00:51] <jpds> Who cares about the factoid; think about our blinken red lights.
[00:52] <nhandler> IdleOne: I don't think we need more than a minute. A lot of the bots target multiple channels. I believe idoru should also be able to catch it in that time
[00:52] <IdleOne> bot masters can decide on the time
[00:52] <IdleOne> hopefully it will help
[00:52] <jpds> IdleOne: I use NTP to decide my time.
[00:53] <IdleOne> jpds: me too
[00:53] <IdleOne> so we must have the same time
[00:53] <IdleOne> :P
[00:53] <jpds> Jolly good.
[00:57] <IdleOne> removed +r
[01:59] <IdleOne> anybody else have an issue with the nick Culero?
[02:44] <jpds> 02:44:20 < ~Braber01_> um how come i can see other people use the !hi | username command but it's not working now?
[02:46] <IdleOne> heh
[02:47] <IdleOne> ubottu: forget welcome
[02:52] <nhandler> ubottu: forget welcome
[02:52] <nhandler> IdleOne: ^^^
[02:53] <IdleOne> thanks
[02:53] <IdleOne> I suppose the other aliases for hi should be forgotten
[05:31] <Tm_T> hi hagabaka, how can we help you?
[06:25] <hagabaka> oh, I was banned in #ubuntu but unbanned later, thanks
[06:53] <rww> Hola. "fukedrobssister" is in #ubuntu, and didn't change their nick when I asked. It's inappropriate for the channel, right?
[06:54] <bazhang> * [Shankar0] (~hsr@triband-mum-<IP_ADDRESS>.mtnl.net.in): hsr  appears to be a Qwert clone
[07:03] <bazhang> rww, I'd say yes, but I wanted to ban ikizabtyrkx (something like that ) for his realname
[07:09] <rww> I guess one could argue that realnames don't show up in-channel (I don't know anything about this specific instance.).
[07:10] <bazhang> "stop rape, say yes"
[07:10] <bazhang> that was it^^
[07:10] <maco> O_o
[07:10]  * rww facepalms
[07:10] <rww> people suck :(
[07:10] <bazhang> looked like perhaps it was callum
[07:51] <rww> for anyone who was wondering, which given fukedrobssister's continued presence in #ubuntu is I guess nobody, "chram" is slang for male genitalia.
[07:55] <bazhang> have him in PM
[07:56] <rww> thanks
[07:57] <bazhang> still trolling but less offensive at least
[09:48] <elky> I am having the strangest conversation with qwert in PM
[09:49] <ikonia> oh ?
[09:49] <elky> Something about bifurcating phone lines and sock puppetry
[09:50] <ikonia> ??
[09:50] <ikonia> what started that conversation
[09:50] <elky> he pinged me randomly wanting help
[09:50] <rww> him wandering into #ubuntu-offtopic as Shankar0 and getting called out on it, I'd guess.
[09:51] <elky> i was curious as to how he was going to try con me
[09:51] <elky> shall I tell him to come here?
[09:51] <elky> or have you had your daily dose already?
[09:51] <ikonia> just read it
[09:51] <ikonia> he got busted !
[09:52] <elky> http://privatepaste.com/03e917ba17
[09:53] <ikonia> randomly odd
[09:53] <rww> That would be less obviously false if his client's ident changed :\
[09:54] <ikonia> idiot
[09:54] <ikonia> this was the guy trying to suggest he was maco too
[09:54] <ikonia> I'm not very comfortable with his behaviour
[09:54] <elky> ikonia, now now, lets not insult actual idiots.
[09:56]  * persia idly wishes all IPv4 support would just stop so that we didn't have NAT from certain sorts of folk.
[09:56] <elky> i wish Hurricane Electric would stop handing ipv6 out like candy
[09:57] <knome> :P
[09:57] <persia> elky, Why?
[10:01] <rww> persia: because as it is, crafting bans against HE IPv6 consumers that aren't easily evadable is a headache
[10:02] <persia> People are getting banned, requesting a new netblock, having it granted, and getting banned again?
[10:03] <elky> Yup.
[10:03] <elky> Whackamole
[10:03] <bazhang> * [alongusername] (~sm@2610:1c8:1:0:250:8dff:feb5:5417): sm     <--- chram ?
[10:03] <persia> Lovely :/
[10:03] <bazhang> tell him to go to ##hardware?
[10:04] <rww> persia: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/14/%23ubuntu-ops.html#t20:02 :(
[10:04] <rww> (see also the insanity further up in that log)
[10:05] <rww> bazhang: as I said earlier, it's slang
[10:05] <bazhang> rww, yep, not obvious to everyone though
[10:08]  * persia is convinced HE doesn't understand the point of IPv6, reading the logs.  /32s!!!!!!!
[10:09] <elky> Wishing for the blue pill yet?
[10:29] <bazhang> thought liamsmithuk was banned
[10:33] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS> yep ban evading
[10:35] <bazhang> PM'd him and asked him to exit, he did so
 let's troll ubuntu-women   possible incoming
[10:42] <rww> yay, my trolldar is working
[10:45] <bazhang> what??
[10:45] <ikonia> that's odd
[10:45] <bazhang> the bot is acting weird
[10:46] <bazhang> openly arranging trolling party for -women in ##linux
[10:46] <rww> in which channel?
[10:46] <bazhang> ^^
[10:47] <rww> huh, sorry. i must be tired.
[10:48] <bazhang> just a matter of time before he did something
[10:51] <bazhang> should file a bug with ubottu for that?  !ot | nick  reports !emergency | nick call?
[10:52] <ikonia> has it done it again ?
[10:52] <bazhang> just now it did ^^
[10:52] <ikonia> try it again, may have just been a little glitch
[10:52] <rww> it PMed FloodBot the "Please don't think I'm intelligent." message, too. oddness.
[10:52] <ikonia> may just need a restart
[11:00] <rww> bazhang: huh. I gave hostile the "#ubuntu is better at support, try there" line and he parted. That was easier than expected.
[11:06] <rww> and that was a response to aemaeth issuing !love :\
[11:11] <Tm_T> tsimpson: jussi: ubottu needs some nudge
[12:28] <bazhang> repeater script
[12:30] <jussi> bazhang: I have to go, watch it for me
[12:30] <bazhang> jussi, ok
[12:56] <bazhang> put a +q on CameronH in -ot , now deopping there
[12:57] <bazhang> he already quit after no headway in PM
[13:09] <CameronH> Im confused
[13:09] <bazhang> hi
[13:09] <CameronH> I wish to be unbanned from your channel >.>
[13:09] <bazhang> CameronH, you know why you were banned in #ubuntu and muted in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[13:10] <CameronH> for being dumb
[13:10] <CameronH> And trolling
[13:10] <CameronH> And talking about minecraft in a non minecraft channel
[13:10] <CameronH> And not reading the rules
[13:10] <bazhang> pretty much
[13:10] <bazhang> you've read the guidelines and code of conduct, correct?
[13:11] <CameronH> Tbh i didnt finish it all
[13:11] <bazhang> okay, please take a moment to finish
[13:11] <CameronH> And i dont have the link now
[13:11] <bazhang> you need the links?
[13:11] <CameronH> Yespls
[13:12] <bazhang> !guidelines
[13:12] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[13:14] <CameronH> done
[13:15] <bazhang> so you are going to stay on topic and follow the guidelines in #ubuntu ?
[13:15] <CameronH> Yessit
[13:15] <CameronH> Sir*
[13:15] <CameronH> I wont be there unless i need help
[13:16] <bazhang> you can rejoin now
[13:17] <CameronH> Ok thanks
[13:17] <CameronH> Ima go to bed now tho
[13:17] <CameronH> :)
[13:17] <CameronH> Night
[13:17] <bazhang> as for the mute in -offtopic, you would need assistance from a regular op there as I am not one
[13:17] <CameronH> I see, I assume i would just pm an op?
[13:18] <bazhang> or one may be around, just a moment
[13:19] <bazhang> well, if it's late where you are , you can rejoin here in future to resolve
[13:19] <bazhang> ie the mute in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:20] <CameronH> Ok cool, to be correct its reaaaaaaaaaaaally early in the morning :P
[13:20] <CameronH> night
[13:20] <bazhang> bye
[16:19] <tomaw> does someone here have access to the ubuntu public irclogs?
[16:20] <Tm_T> write access?
[16:21] <tomaw> grep access
[16:22] <tomaw> I was after someone that could grep the whole year for nimp.org :)
[16:22] <tomaw> if that's difficult I'll just mirror it
[16:22] <Pici> jpds: ping ^
[16:22] <jpds> .
[17:11] <maco> oh goody
[20:33] <Pici> indeed.
[20:35] <IdleOne> !poo is bear
[20:36] <IdleOne> sorry, couldn't help myself
[22:15] <nhandler> tomaw: I know I'm a bit late, but you could always do 'site:irclogs.ubuntu.com nimp.org' in Google to search the Ubuntu logs. It might not pick up everything, but it should get most.
[22:15] <tomaw> I fixed it myself to the degree that's useful


[02:21] <studio-user262> anyone around?
[16:16] <rizu_> hello
[16:17] <rizu_> is somebody here? I am new to this IRC thing
[16:58] <rizu_> hi
[18:16] <jonbitzen> Hey, has anyone here ever made HDMI audio out work with Jack on Ubuntu Studio (I'm using 17.04)
[21:23] <L00P3X> GoodEvening #ubuntustudio.. maybe someone better know how instruments as amp should be properly grounded? this thing sparks from the case as i use to use a multimeter to mesure wtf i just touched without shoes -.- .. have no need to hurt myself or blow something


[00:42] <starspot> On a new 64-bit install for my neighbor he asked me to set his only user account to "login without password" and now I get errors on startup
[00:44] <holstein> hey starspot
[00:44] <holstein> did you set it back and see if all is well?
[00:45] <holstein> was it errors with WIFI?
[00:45] <holstein> i seem to have issues with that as well
[00:47] <starspot> holstein, I think it was because I chose the option to encrypt the drive at install and never entered a passphrase
[00:47] <starspot> no matter, I'm in boot disc now and deleting partitions for a re-install. didn't know what else to do
[00:48] <starspot> but I have noticed several buggy-looking issues with user logins, especially in KDE
[00:48] <holstein> i always say your not doing it right unless you break everything and have to reinstall a couple times ;)
[00:48] <starspot> heheh
[00:48] <starspot> I'm getting more experienced with gparted, thass for sure
[01:11] <Muscovy> How do I file a packaging-requested bug?
[01:23] <yofel> Muscovy: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[01:31] <Muscovy> yofel: I've already read the process for introducing a new package. I'm just not sure you to file the needs-packaging bug, since I only know of how to report bugs with apport or ubuntu-bug.
[01:31] <holstein> hey guys
[01:31] <holstein> i have a bug i filed
[01:32] <yofel> !bugs
[01:32] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/610642
[01:32] <ubot2> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[01:32] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 610642 in ubuntu "'Select Guided - resize "drive details" and use freed space and press Enter' option missing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[01:32] <holstein> and i cant reproduce it again
[01:32] <yofel> hm....
[01:32] <holstein> how would i mark it? or remove it?
[01:33] <yofel> Muscovy: what do you get if you open https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect&field.tag=needs-packaging ?
[01:33] <yofel> (that's linked from the NewPackages wiki page)
[01:35] <Muscovy> Oh.
[01:35] <Muscovy> Thanks.
[01:35] <yofel> holstein: well, if you really can't reproduce it then close the bug by setting the status to 'Invalid' (btw, I'm guessing that's from the installer, please file the bug with 'ubiquity' as package next time)
[01:54] <holstein> yofel: will do
[01:54] <holstein> i marked it invalid
[01:54] <holstein> i saw that before, but it seemed 'greyed out'
[01:55] <holstein> its done though, thanks
[13:26] <qthan> hello..
[13:28] <qthan> have a question about searching for bugs in launchpad...
[13:28] <qthan> what are Milestones?
[13:30] <jpds> Like, alpha1, alpha2, beta1, ...
[13:30] <qthan> but what do these 'alpha1, alpha2...' actually mean?
[13:31] <qthan> are they different releases of ubuntu?
[13:33] <jpds> qthan: No, they are stages within a release cycle.
[13:34] <qthan> jpds: ok, so should I worry about these Milestones when searching for bugs?
[13:35] <qthan> jpds: sorry if the questions seem silly jpds! I'm new to this and I'm just not quite sure what bugs I should be looking at...
[13:36] <jpds> qthan: I suggest looking at bugs against programs you use often and see if you can reproduce them
[13:38] <qthan> ok, i'll try that
[13:39] <qthan> jpds: thanks jpds!
[13:39] <jpds> No problem, feel free to ask if you need anything.
[13:41] <qthan> jpds: ok
[13:59] <qthan> jpds: I'm looking at this bug atm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-utils/+bug/609843?comments=all
[13:59] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 609843 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) "memory leaks (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:00] <qthan> jpds: i can replicate the bug on my desktop by following the instructions in the bug description...
[14:00] <om26er> 6000 files is not a small number. I wont call that a memory leak
[14:00] <qthan> jpds: so what is my next step?
[14:02] <qthan> om26er: it may not be a memory leak, true.... but it does caused a load spike, and suddenly chews up a large amount of RAM...
[14:03] <qthan> om26er: I was running top in a terminal while I dragged all the files to another nautilus window...
[14:03] <om26er> qthan, what happens if you close the search utility. does the memory  usage come down?
[14:09] <qthan> om26er: sorry for delay, i am just running the search utility again and seeing what happens if i let it running a little longer...
[14:10] <qthan> om26er: here is my top output:
[14:10] <qthan> top - 23:09:44 up  2:42,  2 users,  load average: 0.80, 1.12, 0.89
[14:10] <qthan> Tasks: 203 total,   2 running, 201 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[14:10] <qthan> Cpu(s):  4.3%us,  1.9%sy,  0.2%ni, 92.2%id,  1.5%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[14:10] <qthan> Mem:   4056520k total,  4023256k used,    33264k free,     1056k buffers
[14:10] <qthan> Swap:  2931852k total,  2208988k used,   722864k free,    36708k cached
[14:10] <qthan>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[14:10] <qthan>  3383 haqt      20   0 5148m 3.0g 3352 S    1 77.2   0:21.87 gnome-search-tool
[14:10] <qthan>  2757 haqt      20   0 1053m 345m 343m S   21  8.7   3:03.66 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox --comment lucid-mini-amd64 --startvm 41b4bd1f-1245-42a1-85ed-d527079776fd --no-startvm-errormsgbox
[14:10] <qthan>  2464 haqt      20   0  802m 122m 6436 S    0  3.1  11:50.66 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.8/firefox-bin
[14:10] <qthan>  1018 root      20   0  158m  19m 3204 S    3  0.5   9:53.28 /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-HiXAz4/database -nolisten tcp vt7
[14:10] <qthan>  3038 haqt      20   0  673m  13m 5448 S    0  0.3   0:15.35 pidgin
[14:10] <qthan>  1562 haqt      20   0  706m  11m 2496 S    0  0.3   0:21.05 nautilus
[14:11] <qthan> mmmm... probably hard to see what's going on since the formatting's all whacked...
[14:11] <om26er> i see 77.2% mem usage
[14:12] <qthan> yea... here's top after i kill search proc...
[14:12] <qthan> top - 23:12:09 up  2:44,  2 users,  load average: 0.28, 0.77, 0.78
[14:12] <qthan> Tasks: 202 total,   1 running, 201 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[14:12] <qthan> Cpu(s):  1.4%us,  1.1%sy,  0.9%ni, 96.0%id,  0.5%wa,  0.1%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[14:12] <qthan> Mem:   4056520k total,   865004k used,  3191516k free,     1704k buffers
[14:12] <qthan> Swap:  2931852k total,   414852k used,  2517000k free,    59480k cached
[14:12] <qthan>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[14:12] <qthan>  2757 haqt      20   0 1053m 345m 344m S    5  8.7   3:06.13 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox --comment lucid-mini-amd64 --startvm 41b4bd1f-1245-42a1-85ed-d527079776fd --no-startvm-errormsgbox
[14:12] <qthan>  2464 haqt      20   0  802m 129m 9644 S    0  3.3  11:53.17 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.8/firefox-bin
[14:12] <qthan>  1018 root      20   0  158m  21m 3616 S    2  0.5   9:57.11 /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-HiXAz4/database -nolisten tcp vt7
[14:12] <qthan> so memory's all freed once proc was killed...
[14:12] <jpds> !pastebin
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[14:13] <qthan> sorry! i'll checkout pastebin now...
[14:14] <qthan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/470250/
[14:15] <qthan> can u see my top output with that link?
[14:17] <om26er> yes.. and memory usage is back to normal
[14:17] <qthan> also, the copy (or would it be mv) operation was not carried out...
[14:18] <qthan> so would that be a bug confirmed?
[14:20] <om26er> I dont think its a bug.. copy action where the number of files is too large will certainly consume system resources
[14:22] <qthan> yes, true... i can see the cpu load go up due to the disk activity... but the files i was looking for were just a few thousand jpgs ~few hundred kb in size each...
[14:23] <qthan> there should not have be any problems in copying a few thousand jpgs to another folder, right?
[15:55] <primes2h> Hello hggdh, my membership in ubuntu-bugcontrol is about to expire in a day. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol
[15:56] <primes2h> I wish it  was renewed if possible . :-)
[16:14] <hggdh> primes2h: looking into it now
[16:19] <hggdh> primes2h: done, thank you for helping :-)
[16:35] <primes2h> hggdh: Thank you very much! BTW, how r u? do u remember we met at the last UDS?
[16:40] <primes2h> hggdh: I'm one of the two italian guys  that attended the UDS.
[16:45] <vish> primes2h: hmm , i think there might have been more Italians too :D
[16:54] <charlie-tca> y
[17:01] <hggdh> primes2h: yes, I do remember you (and Paolo) :-)
[17:34] <njin_> I'm not able to understand this: laptop with Usb keyboard, when restart usb keyboard don't work in Grub OS selection, after work, restart from Windows ever works. At wich package have to assign ?
[17:37] <njin_> Is possible that ubi save a last config file before reboot and something is wrong in this?
[18:15] <primes2h> vish: Sure, but hggdh understood what I meant ;-)
[18:44] <drew212> dangit, I've been moving so I haven't had time to do any triage =X.
[19:40] <gnomefreak> can anyone confirm bug 611001
[19:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 611001 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Password prompt shows when automatically login (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611001
[20:04] <hggdh> gnomefreak: out of sheer curiosity (I cannot test it) -- wouldn't the password request be related to the gnome-keyring?
[20:08] <gnomefreak> hggdh: it would if it was mandiatory. i get the feeling it is using the keyring prompt for the auto login request. but yes i have thought of that
[20:10] <gnomefreak> gnome-keyring should not need a password for itself
[20:10] <gnomefreak> unless you request for it
[20:15] <hggdh> well, by default g-k will have the same password as your login
[20:15] <gnomefreak> that would defeat the point of auto wouldnt it?
[20:15] <hggdh> yes, and it is (or was, not up-to-date) a knwon issue
[20:16] <hggdh> the bypass was to reset your g-k to empty
[20:16] <hggdh> er, s/g-k/& password/
[20:16] <gnomefreak> thats kind of crappy :(
[20:16] <hggdh> :-)
[20:17] <gnomefreak> well at least it is known
[20:17] <hggdh> not really. If you accept you want automagic login, then you really do not need a password for the keyring
[20:18] <hggdh> it is like taking out the front door(not just not locking it), but wanting all rooms locked
[20:18] <gnomefreak> true
[20:48] <gnomefreak> hggdh: any easy way to apply that work around?
[21:12] <vish> gnomefreak: i'm pretty sure that is a dup ... that has been a feature for a very long time
[21:12] <vish> and totally irritates me :s
[21:13] <hggdh> gnomefreak: enter the passphrase, and then open System/Preferences/Password & Encryption Keys; alt-click on the login keyring, and change the passphrase
[21:13] <gnomefreak> it was worked out in Lucid by release time IIRC
[21:13] <vish> gnomefreak: nope
[21:13] <gnomefreak> oh
[21:13] <gnomefreak> vish: i thought it was.
[21:13] <vish> i still have that in Lucid.. and not sure how to get out of it :(
[21:14] <gnomefreak> vish: see above
[21:14]  * gnomefreak trying it
[21:14] <gnomefreak> or atleast will be
[21:14] <vish> hggdh: you can change the passphrase , but when we auto-login , we have to unlock
[21:15] <hggdh> vish: you have to set the passphrase to null
[21:15] <vish> oh!
[21:15] <vish> hmm.. never tried that :D
[21:17] <gnomefreak> ok be back going to see if it worked
[21:26] <gnomefreak> hggdh: thanks it works
[21:26]  * gnomefreak happy now
[21:26] <hggdh> gnomefreak: cool! one down ;-)
[21:26] <gnomefreak> vish: it works on 10.10
[21:27] <vish> yay!
[21:27] <vish> hehe , this is like one of the locks on a live cd! where you get prompted for a pword and just hitting enter works :D
[21:27] <vish> that thing has been bothering me for a very long time ;)
[21:29] <gnomefreak> updated bug
[21:30] <gnomefreak> vish: that makes 2 of us
[21:30]  * hggdh is happy for having gotten one right :-)
[21:30] <hggdh> so 3 of us
[21:30] <gnomefreak> :)
[21:31] <gnomefreak> my TTYs started working this last reboot
[21:31] <hggdh> even better, two down <unknown/> to go
[21:32]  * gnomefreak not likely going to get chrome to work in ff4
[21:32] <gnomefreak> well it works but nothing else does with it
[22:10] <Daekdroom> Is this where I ask how to report a bug? (information I need to give, package to link against etc)
[22:11] <charlie-tca> We usually recommend using "ubuntu-bug <package_name>" to help get all the information required
[22:11] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, yeah, but it's a DRM regression bug.
[22:11] <Daekdroom> Should I file it against the kernel version?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> doesn't matter
[22:11] <charlie-tca> regression is still a bug.
[22:11] <Daekdroom> Ok.
[22:12] <charlie-tca> I think it is against the kernel. <package_name> becomes "linux"
[22:12] <charlie-tca> You can add a comment before submitting that it is a possible regression
[22:14] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, should I use the kernel I'm reporting against when using ubuntu-bug command or it doesn't matter?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> no, use ubuntu-bug linux
[22:14] <Daekdroom> I mean, which kernel I have to be booted on.
[22:15] <charlie-tca> It will tell us the actual kernel in the report
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Yes, if it is not the kernel in use at the time, include the information from "uname -a"
[22:15] <Daekdroom> Ok. Rebooting.


 @slacker70, If that's your goal, go for it!
[01:25] <ubptgbot> Romolos was added by: Romolos
 @te_online, It was kinda a "Special thing" for the live viewers. :)
 Hi there Romolos! I don't normally do this welcoming message thing, but you can check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get started here at UBports
 @UniversalSuperBox, Alright 😉
 @K31j0, In my view, we shouldn't be ultra-literal about OT. Common sense indicates when conversations should move. Chill
 @John, That would be an awesome app,
 I think they use something that a developer could easily use
 "osc" maybe
 http://behringerwiki.music-group.com/index.php?title=OSC_Remote_Protocol
[10:46] <sebsebseb> hi
[10:46] <sebsebseb> so
[10:46] <sebsebseb> so interesting, mx 4 is now a core device?  bq  4.5 even?
[10:46] <sebsebseb> I remember those being as legacy not going to get a 16.04 update
 That's not what legacy meant
[10:53] <sebsebseb> ubptgbot: was that for me ?
[10:53] <sebsebseb> oh the bot hmm
[10:53] <sebsebseb> oh yeah can talk through the other thing
 Yes, but not a bot
 It's the telegram bridge
[10:54] <sebsebseb> I thought legacy mostly meant, these dev ices will stay on a 15.04 based image, since for whatever reasons can't be upgraded to a 16.04 when its time
[10:54] <sebsebseb> and yes the telegram bridge I remember now, I haven't been in here for quite a while
 Not for ubports
[10:54] <sebsebseb> last time I looked mx 4 and bq 4.5 was under legacy, not  core
[10:54] <sebsebseb> core being tehse devices will get 16.04
[10:55] <sebsebseb> but now I saw they are under core
 No
[10:56] <sebsebseb> it was core, legacy, and community before or something
 There were odd groupings yes. But your definition of what it meant is implied, not actual
 Hence the "legacy" is no more
[10:58] <sebsebseb> I am pretty sure I read before, that the MX 4 and bq 4.5 would  stay on the 15.04 image and never get a 16.04 upgrade, but it seems that now they will actaully get a 16.04 ?
 Everything has 16.04 yes
[10:59] <sebsebseb> how come its possible to upgrade the devices that were apparnatly going to just stay on 15.04 and that's it, to 16.04  now ?
 Not in stable yet, but there are images for all devices
 Because ubports is not canonical
[10:59] <sebsebseb> yes I saw that too, it's not quite ready the 16.04 stuff, but in releaase canddidate getting there
[11:00] <sebsebseb> I thought it was technical reasons holding back the MX 4 though, keeping it off a 16.04 image as well?  that something was too propritary in the hardwre that caused problems ?
 Those devices were not going to get 16.04 from canonical, because of kernel versions
[11:00] <sebsebseb> what was up with the kernel version then? and how come ubports can now do it ?
 Because ubports isn't basing on snaps
[11:01] <sebsebseb> yes the whole snappy thing  that  was part of Canonica's issues with ubuntu touch it seems too, trying too do to much at once, and what was wrong wtih click packages really?
[11:02] <sebsebseb> and is upborts staying on click then ?
 Yes. system-image and clicks
 And upstart
[11:03] <sebsebseb> ./me maybe I will eventually reflash my  not really used  anymore bq 4.5 at some stage then,  that's actsaully still on a old 4.10 image, since I hd thought I Had lost it before etc
[11:04] <sebsebseb> system image,  the background stuff with the kernel I guess?   and ah right yeah system d, so its been cut out of Ubuntu's 16.04?  I think its in there
 It's not fully in 16.04
[11:05] <sebsebseb> oh only partially ?
[11:05] <sebsebseb> what happens when 16.04 runs out of support in 2021 though,  what will ubports do then you recoken ?
[11:06] <sebsebseb> also is this thing offically  called Ubuntu touch now or pretty much,  but with Canonica's permission, I mean I upgraded my mx 4 the other day,  and the boot up screen got replaced
 We'll let you know on 3 years
 Yes
[11:06] <sebsebseb> so  Canonical haev allowed Ubports to call it Ubuntu Touch offically, and even use the ubuntu logo ?
[11:07] <sebsebseb> so Ubports is like Kubuntu or something like that, or kind of
[11:07] <sebsebseb> not a Linux Mint
 Yes. Something like that
[11:08] <sebsebseb> but yes its basically the Ubuntu community,  carrying on their Ubuntu TOuch, that they as a company dropped
[11:08] <sebsebseb> when did the boot up screen change ?
[11:08] <ubptgbot> Eyvan Hediya was added by: Eyvan Hediya
[11:08] <sebsebseb> I thought the ubports one lookked unproffesioanl with teh smiley face etc uh
 I don't know
[11:09] <sebsebseb> so since  Ubports is staying with the older stuff basically,   no systemd no snaps etc,  the so called legacy devices can actsually get the 16.04 as well, interesting
 @sebsebseb, Yeah, totally unprofessional for Google to use a cartoon robot
[11:10] <sebsebseb> oh was it meant to be inspired by that h eh
[11:14] <sebsebseb> btut that[s awesome  I can get 16.04 updates on those phones even
[11:14] <sebsebseb> so does that mean te android app support via andbox should eventually come to such phones as well even ?
 Any discord app for ut?
 Apart from webapp?
 @sebsebseb, That's the plan
 @bollickybill, Check the open store
[11:22] <sebsebseb> that's awesome :),  I thought the mx  4 was well that was pretyt much it, those 15.04  updates, for security and  yeah, but no it's getting the full blown 16.04 as well now, awesome :)
[11:23] <sebsebseb> and I assume Unity 8 under UBports has been progressing nicely as well? with some new features and so on ?
[11:23] <sebsebseb> and what's up with the brwoser in the 16.04 images, website seemed to say lots of bugs, but nevermind, since it's going to get completly replaced with someo ther browser anyway,  that runs what webkit as well ?
 Not so much new features. The focus so far has been 16.04 on phones
[11:24] <sebsebseb> well yes that makes sense the actsual  briign the os  the 16.04 one to the phoens etc,  new features can come later
 @sebsebseb, Neither are webkit. They are chromium based
[11:25] <sebsebseb> chromium uses webkit I thought ?
 Chrome uses their own webengine. It is called Blink I think.
 No, it's blink
[11:28] <sebsebseb> oh
 I was kind of puzzled by this, I was sort of expecting to find Firefox as the default browser instead of Chromium
 Anyone knows why? Just being curious
 Neither is the default browser
 The default browser is based on the chromium rendering engine
 @dohbee, Yep sorry, I meant chromium-based
 gecko was not a good option for mobile
 May I ask why? It seems like it works good on Android
 Just curious about the thought/decision process for stuff like that
 the firefox app for android is not gecko, and you need to go back 5 years in time and try things from then, not what you see today
 @dohbee, Err, yes it is. But yeah, 5 years ago it was utter garbage.
 heck, a year ago it was pretty awful
 there are plenty of other reasons why gecko would have been a bad choice, i'm sure, but by and large firefox was very bad at performance, and especially bad for low memory situations
 when you've got 16-32G of RAM it's one thing. when you've got 768M-2G, it's something completely different
 chromium by and large rendered mobile pages better, faster, and using less resources, and the development API for building a browser around it lets you really get your hands dirty, while gecko is far more black box browser embedding
 @dohbee, wait, I thought the android app used Gecko, is that not the case?
 @kipters, It definitely does...
 @Lyokanthrope, Oh ok, great :D
 @dohbee, Makes sense, thanks :D
 @Lyokanthrope, does it now? or did it used to long ago? i thought it was a fork of firefox, and that 60+ doesn't really have gecko any more?
 Firefox most certainly still uses Gecko, though they've been augmenting it with stuff from Servo, their other (experimental) layout engine.
 @Lyokanthrope, oh i mean, gecko as the thing that other people can embed to create a browser on top of, not the internal rendering core
 i guess they were/are named the same though :-/
 Oh, misunderstood. Though I don't think that's really changed either?
 anyway, doesn't matter for us
 Hello!! … Someone with OnePlus One has multirom installed?  … I'm trying to dualboot Android (LineageOS 15.1) and UT but refuses to boot saying … "Your kernel doesn't support kexec"  … But Multirom say yes
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7EHeS6bz.png I mean this hehe
 multirom is not supported by ubuntu touch currently
 Do I have to use another android rom?
 @vanyasem, and the thing you're trying to use is unofficial and probably won't work
 https://youtu.be/YegM4yADsqE
 I was following this "guide" 🙈
 Well I'm glad they were able to do it... Maybe you'll want to ask them?
 ask the author of that guide :)
 I asked him but meanwhile I was asking here too if someone knows how to fix it.🙈
 I will keep trying! Thank you  … If I manage to fix it I will say something here in case someone wants to do it too 😊
 @SergioSRM, Welcome back Sergio. I think the Multirom fixes are very unstable when they do work. Not for real world use
 it's most likely your kernel, did you install a custom one?
 or maybe your TWRP is outdated?
 @Javacookies, Stock kernel. I never change it manually
 @Javacookies, TWRP updated with Multirom changes. Like in the YouTube video. … The difference is just my android rom. Im using linage OS and he "aosp extended rom" both based on Android 8.1
 @Javacookies, [Edit] TWRP updated with Multirom changes. Like in the YouTube video. … The difference is just my android rom. Im using linage OS and he is using "aosp extended rom" both based on Android 8.1
[14:30] <ubptgbot> markvesime was added by: markvesime
 sorry, never tried with lineage OS especially with oreo … I only have stock marshmallow
 @Javacookies, Thank you! I will try changing my rom 👍
[14:56] <ubptgbot> MatthewCroughan was added by: MatthewCroughan
 So, I have one question that I can't seem to find in youtube videos about UBTouch, is it ready for daily use yet? 😁
 I really just want to do the same thing with android that I did with Windows, and jump. But if alarm clocks still crash, that won't be an option. Oneplus One just so happens to be the device I'm using.
 [Edit] I really just want to do the same thing with android that I did with Windows, and jump. But if alarm clocks still crash, that won't be an option. Oneplus One just so happens to be the device I'm using, which I know is the best supported.
 well i mean stuff still crashes in Android sometimes, especially on certain phones
 people have been using ubuntu on phones daily for multiple years now, though
 @MatthewCroughan, Depends on your needs. I've been using it for three years.
 the only one who can make a determination if it's suitable for yourself, is you
 @alan_griffiths, Well the main question I have is whether kernel panics or really annoying things happen when using it.
 not usually
 Or if that is entirely solved now.
 I mean, I currently get kernel panics with the android 8 rom I'm using, so it's not like it'd be a downgrade lol.
 i mean, kernel panics were never really an issue
 do you have a supported device?
 Well the most recent UBTouch presentation I could find on youtube has an anecdote in it about a kernel panic when an alarm clock rang, rebooting the phone.
 oh, op1, so guess so
 and that was 2 months
 i don't know what you were watching or who made it, or what version they were using, or all the other conditions that might have lead to that happening
 https://youtu.be/2VSmo9CihBY?t=1532
 here's the exact timecode
 i used it as my only phone for 3 years on a nexus 5, and the worst problem with alarms i ever had, was they just didn't work sometimes
 but that was a long long time ago
 Right.
 So my next issue is with convergence on the OP1 since it doesn't have hdmi out.
 How would I get around that?
 @MatthewCroughan, FP2 is a bit strange. But that is FP2, not UT…
 @Stereofont, Thanks, assumed it couldn't be the case on OP1 considering it has been supported forever.
 As for convergence though, can you recommend any particularly good miracast dongles, etc?
 i'm not sure if anything works on op1 for external display
[15:13] <Sander^home> How come network went down, and there's a new indicator-network tab in EQ 4.5?
[15:13] <Sander^home> the tab is empty
 Sounds like network-manager might have crashed. Does a reboot fix it?
[15:17] <Sander^home> same problem after reboot
 Hrm. Got a erminal handy?
[15:17] <Sander^home> It did shut down with wireless network on, loosing power.
[15:18] <Sander^home> sure, I can get into terminal and double check, what should I be checking?
 If you do, `sudo status network-manager`
 i am guessing network-manager is fine
 but indicator-network is not
 hence you see `indicator-network` with a gear icon in top panel
 Yeah, `status indicator-network` would be the next one
 my guess is that this is a result of the Qt bug with a stale lock file for the settings ini file or something simialr
 simialr
 Ah. Remember where that is stored?
 under `~/.config` somewhere iirc
 don't recall exact path, or the bug number
[15:20] <Sander^home> network-manager start/running, process PID
 Aha
 `rm ~/.config/connectivity-service/config.ini.lock`
 From https://askubuntu.com/a/836030
 yeah that
 remove that, then `restart indicator-network`
[15:32] <Sander^home> cool, worked.
[15:32] <Sander^home> Why did it happen?
 Your device lost power unexpectedly?
[15:33] <Sander^home> yes
 The lock file is supposed to be removed on shutdown. Since the device lost power unexpectedly, the lock file wasn't removed
 The indicator didn't start because it thought it was already running
[15:35] <Sander^home> I see.. maybe its a good idea to double check for this file on bootup and display a screen, Please shutdown properly?
 No, it'd be better to use a PID file rather than a lock file
 Or just be able to detect if the lock is stale
[15:36] <Sander^home> is this the ultimate noob protection?;-)
 No. It's a bug, but it doesn't happen very often at all
[15:37] <Sander^home> leave shared network from cellnetwork on, and make it loose power.. then I guess it happens again
[15:38] <Sander^home> it goes into powerlockdown modus so it dosnt loose power after a while
 @UniversalSuperBox, well, it's not because this is used as a PID file
 but it would be better to fix the actual bug, yes
 it happened because qt was attempting to write to the settings file at the moment the power was lost, and so the lock file it created for that write, was left behind
[17:06] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> Hi all, is there a simple way to save a website to my home screen? (called scopes for ubports?) Like i can do with ios & android, typically go to the browser and click "add shortcut" on my android device.
 not yet. that feature never got implemented before canonical dropped support of unity/phones, and ubports has been concentrating more on getting our infrastructure in place and getting phones migrated to 16.04
[17:15] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> Ok, thank you
 after 16.04 has replaced 15.04 for stable, and the current browser maintenance situation is resolved, maybe that feature could be implemented
 I think the only way if to create a personal use webapp
 i think it's ironic that thanks to mobile devices, we now have browsers that are literally doing the same thing i was doing with my browser in 2001
 Hey @dohbee, did you ever work with the API docs or developer.ubuntu.com?
[17:52] <ubptgbot> elBatu was added by: elBatu
 Have I asked you this before?
 Probably.
 other than maybe writing a few comments in header files that became docs, not really
 Damn
 It's a weird mix of QDoc and Yuidoc and Sphinx XML and Doxygen
 @UniversalSuperBox what's the actual problem you're having?
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes it is
 Well, I'm not sure I have the full story.  It does, but it definitely needs some improvement as api-docs.ubports.com shows
 At this point the RST it makes isn't so clean, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole mishmash.
 I've had to poke around those sites. They're weird but not incomprehensible.
 I could adjust the css files for responsivnes
 i think what Dalton is saying, is that the bit behind the end result, is what's incomprehensible :)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HCDJQlnl.png
 @nanu_c, Hmm. Well, it's using the sphinx-rtd-theme
 Does docs.ubports.com work?
 Ah, that's the suff I try to ignore.
 @alan_griffiths, I wish I could too, but I want to freshen it up before the xenial release. ;)
 the main issue is that there's a huge number of packages, and they don't all use the same method of documentation
 which makes it hard to generate something that is the same method, from them
 oooh i didn't know there were ppl using ut for years and i knew systemd was a problem didn't know snaps were also a problem
 Touch has been around since 2012. someone has been using it since then
 i suppose so yeah hehe
 @UniversalSuperBox, that would be me 😊, but only since the 2013 MWC launch as a daily driver (not a daily driver for over a year now though).
 oooh 😍
 well, what we had at the 2013 MWC demo was not really usable at all. it was total demoware
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 does someone know if there is a design pack with the components supported actually by the sdk? … for example button. https://api-docs.ubports.com/sdk/apps/qml/Ubuntu.Components/Button.html
 A design pack?
 @gab11010, not sure what you mean exactly, but i'm guessing SVGs of components which you can place in something to create mock-ups? there is no such thing for the uitk, no
 @dohbee, Actually there is ^^
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WAiL0h01.svg
 @Flohack, uh, what?
 oh wow
 that is pretty old though
 doesn't quite match the current design
 @dohbee, Yeah but still usable
 And someone could start here and draw recent ones
 Actually this is a task for a Non-programmer
 Any graphic talent online??
 Here is repo for it: https://github.com/halfsail/Ubuntu-UI-Toolkit
 probably should mention it in the ux group
 forwarded your messages @Flohack
 thx
 I forked it for us now: https://github.com/ubports/Ubuntu-UI-Toolkit-1
 @dohbee, calls, sms and contacts were there, that was all I needed; and I had been dog fooding the phone pre-release long enough before that 😉
 .local/share/history-service/history.sqlite
 @Flohack, Too much atlassian?
 Wut?
 @Flohack, The -1 at the end
 thanks @Flohack @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox  … that´s what I was looking for. An update of the components available would be very useful for prototyping apps.  … @dohbee can you post the ling to the ux telegram group?
 Already did
 [Edit] thanks @Flohack @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox  … that´s what I was looking for. An update of the components available would be very useful for prototyping apps.  … @dohbee can you post the link to the ux telegram group?
 I would like to join, but I don´t know the link to the telegram group
 sorry I didn´t explain myself clearly enough