[12:06] <dholbach> hellas
[12:07] <dholbach> can everybody please give me a brief statement over their last month with the MOTU crew?
[12:10] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[12:10] <dholbach> hey
[12:11] <ajmitch> not hard to summarise my efforts recently ;)
[12:11] <ajmitch> although the last month includes everything since UDU
[12:12] <dholbach> just a random statement - what you liked, what you did, what you disliked, which idea you had you want to tell the world :)
[12:12] <dholbach> not just you, andrew :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> everyone has to file a report :)
[12:13] <dholbach> nooooo, just a statement
[12:14] <ajmitch> alright..
[12:14] <dholbach> so it won't just be my babbling
[12:14] <dholbach> :)
[12:14] <ajmitch> you don't babble
[12:14] <Amaranth> dholbach: hey
[12:14] <Amaranth> dholbach: review my package ;)
[12:15] <Amaranth> it's smeg
[12:15] <Amaranth> i need one more review
[12:15] <dholbach> Amaranth: ...
[12:15] <Amaranth> dholbach: please? :)
[12:15] <ajmitch> Amaranth: if you want, I can review this afternoon after work?
[12:15] <Amaranth> ajmitch: that works, thanks
[12:15] <tseng> ajmitch: do you use svn.d.o?
[12:15] <dholbach> Amaranth: i can absolutely understand your excitement
[12:16] <ajmitch> tseng: no, I haven't
[12:16] <ajmitch> not for commit access anyway
[12:16] <tseng> ajmitch: i can login to svn.d.o with ssh
[12:16] <tseng> but i cant commit with the same password over ssh
[12:16] <tseng> as in, it prompts again for the password
[12:16] <tseng> not some access control
[12:17] <Amaranth> did you try just putting in the password again? :)
[12:17] <tseng> yes
[12:17] <ajmitch> odd, is it wanting you to use an ssh key instead?
[12:17] <tseng> i dunno
[12:17] <tseng> i just uploaded a key to the web interface
[12:17] <tseng> ill try it again tommorow
[12:19] <tseng> oh yeah right
[12:19] <tseng> htf does that happen
[12:20] <tseng> eh, the ssh key works in any case
[12:24] <ajmitch> tseng: figured it out?
[12:24] <tseng> yeah it worked with the key after 3 tries
[12:24] <tseng> i cant imagine how i can type perfectly in the other tab
[12:24] <tseng> and fail repeatedly in that one
[12:24] <tseng> but yeah..
[12:24] <tseng> its committed
[12:24] <ajmitch> great, I can at least remember my alioth password now
[12:25] <dholbach> tseng: any comment on what the MOTUMono team achieved in the last month? want to mention something?
[12:25] <ajmitch> dholbach: heh, what hasn't it achieved?
[12:25] <Nafallo> dholbach: mono in main! :-)
[12:25] <tseng> dholbach: we moved 1.1.7 into breezy, updated every app per the new standards, drafted a policy doc for Debian review, moved to main...
[12:25] <tseng> and more!
[12:26] <ajmitch> almost everything specced out at UDU
[12:26] <tseng> well i wouldnt say that
[12:26] <tseng> we have alot of trouble on !x86
[12:27] <Nafallo> and amd64 haven't even got the packages ;-)
[12:27] <tseng> i am going to bother sabdfl a good bit about testing hardware whenever he surfaces again
[12:27] <Nafallo> AFAIKS
[12:27] <tseng> Nafallo: QUITCHERBITCHIN
[12:27] <dholbach> alright, got it
[12:27] <tseng> :P
[12:27] <Nafallo> tseng: I love you to :-)
[12:27] <tseng> thanks dholbach !
[12:27] <dholbach> so... come on people: some random comments
[12:28] <tseng> er
[12:28] <tseng> CXX team rocks my face
[12:28] <dholbach> is MOTU live SO boring?
[12:28] <tseng> ogra is a canonical employee
[12:28] <tseng> um
[12:28] <Nafallo> tseng: huh?
[12:28] <tseng> Nafallo: huh?
[12:29] <Nafallo> tseng: when did he became that? :-)
[12:29] <tseng> sorry was that a secret
[12:29] <Mithrandir> was it?
[12:29] <tseng> i didnt think so.
[12:29] <Nafallo> tseng: I dunno. I know that I didn't knew :-).
[12:29] <tseng> well, he did, and we should congratulate him
[12:29] <Nafallo> kewl! ping ogra!!! :-D
[12:30] <Nafallo> ogra: ping even
[12:30] <Mithrandir> he's probably asleep, given that it's half past midnight in his TZ
[12:30] <Amaranth> when did that happen?
[12:30] <tseng> a few weeks.
[12:30] <Amaranth> cool
[12:30] <ogra> pong ?
[12:30] <ogra> Nafallo,
[12:30] <Nafallo> ogra: congrats!  It's on MOTUNewPackages.
[12:36] <Amaranth> herve reviewed it and said it was ok, i fixed the one issue Riddell had, i just need one more
[12:36] <\sh> Amaranth: sure this morning after coffee and first piece of newspaper :)
[12:36] <Amaranth> ok
[12:37] <\sh> i just had a hard evening behind me, with the latest rumours about digital tv and internet over cable
[12:37] <\sh> and then all the beer
[12:37] <\sh> really hard..
[12:39] <\sh> ogra: greetings back from branislav...he's happy, that you found the job u ever whished for :)
[12:39] <tseng> so anyone have a ppc?
[12:39] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:39] <tseng> or ill have to bug pitti again
[12:39] <tseng> to build in concordia
[12:40] <tseng> silly mark..
[12:40] <\sh> ogra: and hi from sherif :) can i give him your icq uin?
[12:40] <dholbach> http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report/
[12:41] <dholbach> oops... well :)
[12:41] <\sh> hehe
[12:42] <tseng> it could use some formatting
[12:42] <tseng> but its nice
[12:42] <dholbach> no additions?
[12:43] <ajmitch> dholbach: that's a long URL for the merges :)
[12:44] <ajmitch> you could use tinyurl?
[12:44] <dholbach> yeah, sure
[12:45] <ajmitch> the list I ran a couple of days ago showed about 300 packages still
[12:45] <\sh> dholbach: yes one addition
[12:45] <dholbach> \sh: fire away
[12:46] <ajmitch> diamond, not diamon
[12:46] <\sh> that without ogra and u, without the recruitement work ogra's doing and without your efford for having quality this team wouldn't be the one team :)
[12:47] <\sh> and: THX FOR ALL THE ROCK AND ROLL ALL DAY :)
[12:47] <ogra> :)
[12:47] <tseng> yep without them i would be the only MOTU
[12:47] <dholbach> WOW
[12:47] <tseng> they are the #1 recruiter
[12:48] <tseng> s
[12:49] <\sh> dholbach: and this is not only "blabla". ogra and I had some talks about personal leadership :) and he knows what I like and what not :) and u 2 have it, really, u made it, no, u make it, u will make it :)
[12:50] <dholbach> Stephan Hermann, new MOTU, C++ rocker and KDE enthusiast wants to add: "that without ogra and u, without the recruitement work ogra's doing and without dholbach's effort for having quality this team wouldn't be the one team :)" and: "THX FOR ALL THE ROCK AND ROLL ALL DAY :)"
[12:50] <tseng> Mithrandir: did i break something? :P
[12:50] <dholbach> ok with you? :)
[12:50] <tseng> Mithrandir: thats my job.
[12:50] <Mithrandir> tseng: no, not this time.
[12:50] <\sh> and now...time to go to bed for \sh
[12:50] <tseng> good :)
[12:50] <Mithrandir> tseng: does beagle do any kind of indexing of remote stuff?  Or be able to connect to a remote beagle instance or something?
[12:50] <dholbach> thanks \sh :)
[12:50] <tseng> Mithrandir: it has a web service
[12:51] <tseng> i dont remember if i turned it on or not
[12:51] <tseng> there was a user request
[12:51] <wasabi_> A remote beagle would be an awesome idea.
[12:51] <ogra> tseng, so anybody can search your disk remotely ?
[12:51] <wasabi_> Like, if beagle could search remote NFS mounts by contacting the beagle on the remote NFS server
[12:51] <Mithrandir> tseng: using what protocol?
[12:51] <tseng> ogra: yes
[12:51] <tseng> Mithrandir: http
[12:52] <tseng> it has its own interface i think
[12:52] <Mithrandir> tseng: ew; can you get it to use client certs or something?
[12:52] <ogra> Mithrandir, its a built in webserver in beagle
[12:52] <tseng> I never used this yet
[12:52] <\sh> tseng: y don't u use google?
[12:52] <tseng> Mithrandir: its off-by-default
[12:52] <wasabi_> It's crazy how there are so many negative reactions to searching remote systems.
[12:52] <Mithrandir> tseng: but I want it, but I'd like it not to be crackful.
[12:52] <wasabi_> I am searching for a commercial product for my office right now to allow us to do that.
[12:52] <tseng> you have a firewall?
[12:52] <ogra> Mithrandir, you just connect to the remote box and lok up the online banking docs, cool eh ?
[12:53] <tseng> you can block the port and use stunnel or ssh or what not
[12:53] <tseng> anyway ill try and get it running here
[12:53] <ogra> tseng, thats a huge security hole
[12:53] <Mithrandir> tseng: that's the wrong solution. :-)
[12:53] <tseng> ogra: blocking the port?
[12:53] <Mithrandir> tseng: it should be using some sort of secure auth by default.
[12:53] <tseng> its off-by-default
[12:53] <tseng> ok, ill look at it im talking out my ass
[12:53] <wasabi_> Can beagle be run as a system daemon?
[12:53] <wasabi_> As root.
[12:53] <tseng> wasabi_: it runs as a user
[12:53] <ogra> tseng, split the package
[12:53] <wasabi_> Or something.
[12:53] <ogra> beagle-web
[12:54] <Mithrandir> tseng: cheers, cool.
[12:54] <Mithrandir> tseng: just wondering, mostly. :)
[12:54] <\sh> ok..guys g'night ... will see u tomorrow :)
[12:54] <ogra> or even beagle-webserver
[12:54] <wasabi_> It'd be neat if it was like the ms indexing service.
[12:54] <wasabi_> corporations find that stuff invaluable
[12:54] <ogra> \sh, thanks for the flowers :)
[12:54] <tseng> http://www.gnomebangalore.org/images/Beagle-firefox-ws.png
[12:55] <\sh> ogra: give the flowers to your wife^Wgirlfriend :) I think she needs them more then u :)
[12:59] <tseng> (--enable-network, Enable Network Service (default disabled))
[12:59] <tseng> hm this is different from webservices option
[12:59] <tseng> i wonder what it does
[12:59] <Mithrandir> blah, where's ivoks?
[01:04] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: away for studies for a week or something like that.
[01:04] <Mithrandir> silly reason. :P
[01:04] <tseng>         Enable Network          yes
[01:04] <tseng>         Enable WebServices      yes
[01:04] <tseng>         Enable Rendezvous       no
[01:04] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: ;-)
[01:04] <tseng> this keeps getting scarier
[01:04] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:04] <tseng> i might leave it off
[01:05] <Nafallo> tseng: my mirrorscript is much scarier atm ;-)
[01:05] <dholbach> good night people
[01:05] <tseng> bye dholbach
[01:05] <Nafallo> tseng: wants to redownload the whole main and restricted ;-)
[01:05] <dholbach> have a nice... evening or something :)
[01:05] <Nafallo> dholbach: night :-)
[01:07] <Nafallo> tseng: and that's from all three releases :-P
[01:07] <tseng> ok i still dont see beagle opening a tcp port
[01:08] <Mithrandir> tseng: rendezvous++
[01:08] <tseng> Mithrandir: howl--
[01:08] <Mithrandir> tseng: but then I even more want it to authenticate.
[01:08] <tseng> oh oh
[01:08] <tseng> stupid me
[01:08] <tseng> $ ./configure --enable-webservices=yes
[01:08] <Mithrandir> tseng: we need a free howl replacement.
[01:08] <tseng> i skipped the yet
[01:09] <tseng> yes*
[01:09] <tseng> hm no
[01:09] <tseng> it picked it up
[01:09] <tseng> "You must explicitly start it while launching beagled, by providing one of the following command line options: "
[01:09] <tseng> --web-start: starts web-server on port 8888 & root directory as $(prefix)/share/doc/xsp
[01:09] <tseng> --web-port xxxx: starts web-server on port xxxx & root dir as $(prefix)/share/doc/xsp
[01:09] <tseng> --web-root /x/y/z: starts web-server on port 8888, with root directory as /x/y/z
[01:10] <tseng> ah-hah tollef
[01:10] <tseng> Beagle web access is restricted to local accesses, by default. If you wish to have the your local beagle daemon support global web access, you must specify the command line option '--web-global'.
[01:12] <tseng> http://beaglewiki.org/WebServiceInterface < its all on here
[01:12] <Mithrandir> tseng: can you tell it what interface to listen to too?
[01:12] <tseng> i only see port
[01:12] <tseng> but at that point choosing an interface couldnt be that hard
[01:16] <Amaranth> interface to list to?
[01:16] <tseng> listen.
[01:18] <tseng> Mithrandir: i think its safe to ship with this in any case, since its non-trivial to turn on at all, and harder to go outside of localhsot
[01:19] <Nafallo> tseng: seems like it
[01:19] <tseng> Mithrandir: you should read about the access control to non-local users even once its allowing access they see no files by default.
[01:34] <Unfrgiven> \sh: pong
[01:34] <Unfrgiven> good morning all
[01:49] <ajmitch> bbl
[01:51] <Unfrgiven> tseng: does beagle require kernel 2.6.12 to work? or will it work ok with 2.6.10 (as shipped with hoary)?
[01:52] <tseng> i wouldnt recommend it
[01:54] <Unfrgiven> tseng: bummer :( ndiswrapper doesnt work too well on 2.6.12 for me :(
[01:55] <Unfrgiven> tseng: so i guess no beagle for the moment
[01:55] <zul> 2.6.10's inotify doesnt work too well either
[01:55] <Unfrgiven> zul: yeah... i guess if i have to choose network connectivity versus beagle, i have to choose the network
[01:58] <tseng> mmm, ndiswrapper is bogus
[02:03] <Unfrgiven> tseng: what other choice do i have for a broadcom wifi card :(
[02:03] <Nafallo> Unfrgiven: replace it ;-)
[02:04] <Unfrgiven> Nafallo: this is on my  laptop
[02:04] <Nafallo> Unfrgiven: yes? :-)
[02:04] <Unfrgiven> Nafallo: :P
[02:05] <Nafallo> don't want to do that though ;-)
[02:06] <zul> lazy :)
[02:07] <Nafallo> zul: baah. it's GPL'd now ;-)
[02:07] <Nafallo> zul: btw, rt2x00 is beta.
[02:07] <Nafallo> zul: still think we should wait for final though.
[02:08] <zul> i agree..
[02:10] <Nafallo> zul: but! there is a new module ;-). rt2570. development started today on that. seems they are reusing a lot of code.
[02:11] <Nafallo> 802.11g rt2570 USB driver
[02:11] <zul> im quite aware of it will have a look at it sometime
[02:12] <Nafallo> zul: I'll look at it aswell. I might do since I get all those bloody mails about it ;-)
[02:12] <Nafallo> might aswell even
[02:22] <mgalvin> after updating a debian package and sending it back up to debian, i should now change the version again to <package>-<version>-0ubuntu1, correct?
[02:22] <wasabi> If you have a change to make.
[02:25] <mgalvin> well i updated it to the latest version of the package
[02:25] <mgalvin> an ubuntu specific change you mean?
[02:28] <mgalvin> keyboard is going ntz, gottareboot anyay, brb
[02:32] <mgalvin> much better :)
[02:35] <chillywilly> you guys are too unreasonable, therefore I will be releasing UU (Uber Ubuntu) next week....that is all ;)
[02:36] <chillywilly> the "Randy Rhinocerus"
[02:54] <Amaranth> Riddell: can you see if 0.7.4 fixes your issues with smeg?
[02:59] <Riddell> Amaranth: URL?
[03:38] <Amaranth> Riddell: sorry, back
[03:39] <Amaranth> Riddell: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.7.4/
[03:39] <tseng> chillywilly: i hope you are joking.
[03:40] <Amaranth> tseng: he said that here right after complaining about firefox 1.0.4 in #ubuntu
[03:40] <tseng> gfg
[03:43] <Amaranth> herve reviewed and ok'd 0.7.4, didn't update the wiki
[03:44] <mgalvin> what is they general feeling about cdbs? do you guys use it here in ubuntu (other then for debian .debs that already use it)?
[03:44] <Riddell> python-xdg was updated quickly
[03:44] <tseng> yes we use it
[03:44] <Amaranth> Riddell: yeah, seb jumped on it
[03:44] <tseng> i use it for all my new packages when it makes sense
[03:44] <Amaranth> i told him there was a new release, 5 minutes later he had it uploaded
 Amaranth: yeah, users want smeg :p <seb128> I don't want to make them angry :)
[03:45] <Amaranth> ;)
[03:45] <tseng> am I overly pissed off, or are people getting stupider?
[03:45] <mgalvin> tseng, thnx
[03:45] <tseng> mgalvin: nps
[03:46] <Amaranth> tseng: people are getting stupider, i think :P
[03:46] <tseng> heh
[03:46] <tseng> the winner for the day is {Seb}
[03:46] <tseng> "i am a beagle hacker"
[03:49] <chillywilly> tseng: yes that was a joke
[03:49] <tseng> k.
[03:54] <Riddell> Amaranth: it doesn't seem to save changes
[03:54] <Amaranth> wha?
[03:55] <Amaranth> let me guess, it saved ~/.config/menus/applications.menu even though you used --kde
[03:55] <zul> tseng: a little from column a, a little from column b
[03:55] <Riddell> Amaranth: for one thing there's no Save button or menu entry
[03:55] <Riddell> Amaranth: it does save to .config/menus/kde-applications.menu
[03:55] <Riddell> Amaranth: but it doesn't actually change any of the names
[03:56] <Amaranth> does ~/.local/share/applications or ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/ have anything in it?
[03:56] <Amaranth> it seems to be working here
[03:57] <Riddell> Amaranth: they do
[03:57] <Riddell> Amaranth: but the files in them just have the origional Name= value and not the new one
[03:58] <Amaranth> Riddell: that makes no sense, i just tried here
[03:58] <Amaranth> Riddell: i removed all my local stuff, moved applications.menu aside, and worked in --kde mode
[03:58] <Amaranth> Riddell: did it change for any locale?
[03:58] <Riddell> Amaranth: ah hah
[03:58] <Riddell> Amaranth: yes
[03:59] <Riddell> it changed for en_GB
[03:59] <Amaranth> Riddell: Your locales are setup wrong?
[03:59] <Riddell> but my chroot is in C
[03:59] <Amaranth> oh, that bug
[03:59] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:59] <Amaranth> nothing i can do there :/
[03:59] <Riddell> Amaranth: ok, it's just chroot strangeness, I'll let you off :)
[03:59] <Amaranth> heh
[04:00] <Amaranth> python reads /etc/environment
[04:00] <Amaranth> which hoary sets wrong, i thought maybe that was biting you
[04:00] <Riddell> Amaranth: from a usability view I think it should open properties on a double click
[04:00] <Riddell> and it should have a save button or menu entry
[04:00] <Riddell> but I'm all for having it uploaded
[04:00] <Amaranth> I thought the 'GNOME Way' was auto apply. ;)
[04:01] <Amaranth> well, it's a gnome app that just happens to work pretty well with kde :D
[04:01] <Riddell> yeah
[04:02] <Amaranth> be happy i removed the dependency on python2.4-gnome2 :D
[04:02] <Riddell> feel free to port it to pyqt :)
[04:02] <Amaranth> ha
[04:02] <Amaranth> document pyqt first
[04:02] <Amaranth> even as is, i think it's a huge improvement over kmenuedit
[04:03] <Riddell> agreed
[04:03] <Amaranth> no offense to waldo
[04:03] <Riddell> waldo isn't a usability expert
[04:05] <Riddell> so still needs one more person to review?
[04:05] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:06] <Amaranth> be trying to round one up for about 8 hours now :/
[04:19] <mgalvin> good night all
[04:20] <ivoks> omg
[04:21] <ivoks> i have /dev/bull file :)
[04:21] <ivoks> some package has typo :)
[04:22] <Amaranth> lmao
[04:22] <Amaranth> what's in it?
[04:24] <ivoks> Amaranth: updating mime :)
[04:24] <schweeb> ivoks: does it persist across reboots? if so, it's a typo in udev
[04:25] <ivoks> well... i don't reboot this machine
[04:25] <schweeb> heh
[04:25] <ivoks> i even upgraded from sarge to hoary without reboot :)
[04:25] <schweeb> grep -r bull /etc
[04:25] <ivoks> -sr
[04:26] <ivoks> nothing... hm
[04:26] <ivoks> Updating MIME database in /usr/share/mime...
[04:27] <schweeb> dpkg -S /dev/bull ?
[04:27] <ivoks> no
[04:27] <ivoks> that's not going to work
[04:27] <schweeb> true
[04:27] <ivoks> maybe it's my fault
[04:27] <schweeb> I guess the mknod would be in a pre/post script
[04:28] <ajmitch> so grep in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[04:28] <ivoks> but i never redirected output from dpkg
[04:28] <ivoks> lol
[04:28] <ajmitch> but a script might do ... 2>&1 > /dev/bull
[04:28] <schweeb> yes
[04:28] <schweeb> so you don't have to look at output
[04:28] <ivoks> Argument list too long
[04:28] <ivoks> ok... let's try another aproach :)
[04:28] <ajmitch> use find :)
[04:29] <ivoks> bluefish
[04:29] <ivoks> :)))
[04:29] <schweeb> I have an idea
[04:29] <schweeb> just a sec
[04:29] <ivoks> bluefish.postinst:        /usr/bin/update-mime-database /usr/share/mime > /dev/bull
[04:29] <schweeb> yea, that's what I was about to say, is check the dpkg scripts dir
[04:29] <ajmitch> fix it, file bug in debian if it's there :)
[04:29] <ivoks> ajmitch: will do, but now is 4:30AM :)
[04:30] <ajmitch> oh, looks like ubuntu has a newer version, maintainer dholbach ;)
[04:31] <ivoks> he's typo? :)
[04:31] <ivoks> he's?!
[04:31] <ivoks> uh... his
[04:31] <ajmitch> seems to be :)
[04:31] <ajmitch> malone report time!
[04:32] <ajmitch> ivoks: want me to file it for you?
[04:32] <schweeb> man
[04:32] <schweeb> look at ajmitch, all excited to file malone bugs
[04:32] <ajmitch> schweeb: ?
[04:32] <ajmitch> haha
[04:32] <ajmitch> malone is fun ;)
[04:33] <ivoks> :)
[04:33] <schweeb> ajmitch: I saw the pic of you and tseng flipping me off, how rude :P
[04:33] <ivoks> ajmitch: i will do it :)
[04:33] <ajmitch> schweeb: haha :)
[04:33] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Could you take a look at smeg now? It's on MOTUNewPackages
[04:33] <ajmitch> schweeb: yeah, forgot about that one :)
[04:33] <ajmitch> Amaranth: you're keen to get this reviewed, aren't you?
[04:33] <Amaranth> yeah :)
[04:33] <Amaranth> i only need one more person
[04:34] <Amaranth> herve didn't update the wiki before he left :/
[04:34] <ajmitch> are all the deps in main or universe?
[04:34] <Amaranth> hmm
[04:34] <Amaranth> i think main
[04:34] <schweeb> wonder if mako ever checked to see if my CoC sig was fine for membership...
[04:34] <ajmitch> Amaranth: as long as they're in so that I can build it & run it :)
[04:34] <ivoks> schweeb: :))
[04:35] <Amaranth> it's just python stuff, pyxdg, and a dep on gnome-menus | kdelibs-data
[04:35] <Amaranth> yeah, it's all in breezy though
[04:35] <ajmitch> great
[04:35] <schweeb> since I haven't been around much laterly
[04:35] <schweeb> *lately
[04:35] <schweeb> there a big list of shit to do?
[04:35] <Amaranth> ajmitch: just pyxdg, afaik
[04:35] <ajmitch> oh yeah
[04:35] <Amaranth> schweeb: MOTUNewPackages needs much love
[04:36] <Amaranth> personally i think this stuff should be on malone
[04:36] <ajmitch> Amaranth: no build-deps on any of those packages?
[04:36] <Amaranth> ajmitch: just cdbs, debhelper, and python-dev
[04:36] <ajmitch> ok..
[04:37] <schweeb> Amaranth: not motu yet, so can't approve, sorry :(
[04:37] <ivoks> damn malone
[04:37] <ivoks>  Sorry, a system error occurred
[04:38] <ajmitch> heh
[04:38] <schweeb> I'm getting all hyped and motivated again though, cause I'm getting a new laptop
[04:38] <schweeb> time to do more work :D
[04:38] <ivoks> oh, come on!!!
[04:38] <ivoks> malone is broken
[04:39] <ajmitch> everyone knows that :)
[04:40] <schweeb> does lamont still have buildlogs going to his ~
[04:41] <ajmitch> yep
[04:41] <ivoks> lol /dev/bull
[04:41] <ivoks> what deb?
[04:41] <ajmitch> smeg
[04:42] <ivoks> :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> I've got to test it as part of the review :)
[04:42] <Amaranth> any problems with the packaging?
[04:42] <ajmitch> nope
[04:42] <ajmitch> seems to all be in order
[04:42] <Amaranth> woo
[04:43] <ajmitch> when should the menu changes take effect?
[04:43] <Amaranth> on exist
[04:43] <Amaranth> err, exit
[04:43] <ajmitch> ok
[04:43] <Amaranth> too resource intensive doing them on-the-fly
[04:43] <ajmitch> yay, worked beautifully
[04:44] <ajmitch> good work, this looks good :)
[04:44] <Amaranth> just don't look at the code ;)
[04:44] <ajmitch> oh I did, very very briefly :)
[04:45] <schweeb> welcome dooglus
[04:45] <dooglus> hi schweeb
[04:45] <Amaranth> and if you know anything about gtk clipboard's and treestore's, i need lots of help there :)
[04:45] <dooglus> that Amaranth bloke gets around!  :)
[04:46] <Amaranth> dooglus: 11 channels :)
[04:46] <ajmitch> Amaranth: good, no random junk gets left in the deb when doing a source build after a binary build :)
[04:46] <Amaranth> ajmitch: thank cdbs
[04:46] <ajmitch> Amaranth: heh :)
[04:46] <ajmitch> so do you want me to upload now that you have your three reviews?
[04:47] <Amaranth> i'm thinking about adding a clean:: rm -rf build next time to make it end exactly how it started
[04:47] <Amaranth> yes please
[04:47] <Amaranth> i was trying to get an earlier version of this into hoary universe, this has been a long time coming :)
[04:47] <ajmitch> ok, who was the 3rd reviewer?
[04:47] <ajmitch> I see riddell & myself
[04:47] <Amaranth> herve
[04:47] <Amaranth> he didn't update the wiki
[04:48] <Amaranth> herve night all
[04:48] <Amaranth> herve Amaranth, I test smeg 0.7.4 and approve your package
[04:48] <Amaranth> * herve has quit ("Leaving")
[04:48] <ajmitch> ok
[04:49] <ivoks> ajmitch: you could upload wifi-radar too :)
[04:49] <Amaranth> woo
[04:49] <ajmitch> Successfully uploaded packages.
[04:49] <ivoks> ajmitch: i would do it, but i don't have acc yet :(
[04:49] <Amaranth> i get to be the first ubuntuforums project to say i'm in ubuntu ;)
[04:49] <Amaranth> well, i guess backports kinda beat me
[04:49] <crimsun> not the 'b' word
[04:49] <ajmitch> they're not formally in yet :)
[04:49] <crimsun> please not the 'b' word
[04:49] <ivoks> :)
[04:50] <Amaranth> crimsun: we can't discriminate against the 'b' word anymore
[04:50] <ajmitch> crimsun: the 'b' word has been struck from the naughty list now ;)
[04:50] <Amaranth> crimsun: they're an official ubuntu project now
[04:50] <ivoks> yeag
[04:50] <ajmitch> ivoks: url to latest wifi-radar?
[04:50] <blahrus> when did they become official?
[04:50] <crimsun> my $deity.
[04:50] <ivoks> b-people doing b-stuff
[04:50] <ivoks> ajmitch: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[04:50] <crimsun> so uh, who's redoing all their incorrectly versioned stuff?
[04:50] <schweeb> ajmitch: man, that must have given a few people some heart attacks
[04:50] <ajmitch> crimsun: official yesterday
[04:50] <Amaranth> right after they agreed to not do crack things like backport mono and pull things from places other than breezy
[04:50] <schweeb> "backports, oh no"
[04:51] <blahrus> ohhhh wifiradar :)
[04:51] <ajmitch> they agreed to feed all crack here, and then backport from us :)
[04:51] <crimsun> ok, whew
[04:51] <crimsun> sounds like an acceptable compromise
[04:51] <ivoks> blahrus: yes? :)
[04:51] <schweeb> anyone awake right now happen to have an IBM X41/X40?
[04:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: and to have strict limits on backports from main
[04:51] <blahrus> I would really like to help out, I don't have much experience or anything? Any suggestions?
[04:51] <blahrus> ivoks: been looking for that
[04:52] <Amaranth> ajmitch: should i scrub smeg from MOTUNewPackages?
[04:52] <blahrus> ivoks: need to update breezy, but I wanna wait untill x is worked out
[04:52] <ivoks> blahrus: lol, it's there for a month :)
[04:52] <blahrus> ivoks: I need this box that I am running it on
[04:52] <ajmitch> Amaranth: make a new section 'Uploaded', and move it to there
[04:52] <blahrus> ivoks: i don't keep up todate as I should
[04:52] <ajmitch> so we can keep the reviews around
[04:52] <schweeb> blahrus: what are you interested in?
[04:52] <Amaranth> nice, firefox crashed
[04:52] <ivoks> blahrus: wifi-radar works on all debian based distros :)
[04:52] <schweeb> blahrus: packaging, bug reporting, ?
[04:53] <schweeb> best way is to either upgrade to breezy
[04:53] <blahrus> schweeb: sounds good, where should I start
[04:53] <schweeb> and do bug reports
[04:53] <schweeb> or
[04:53] <schweeb> take bug reports on packages
[04:53] <schweeb> and fix them
[04:53] <blahrus> schweeb: I guess I am better if I am given tasks
[04:53] <schweeb> yea, I'm working on finding some myself
[04:53] <schweeb> I've been out of the loop a while
[04:54] <ajmitch> schweeb: dude, CxxLibraryList still needs your love
[04:54] <schweeb> ajmitch: as long as they're simple repairs
[04:54] <Amaranth> ajmitch: done
[04:54] <schweeb> I'm no coder
[04:54] <blahrus> schweeb: any suggestions for updating to breezy if I do it right now, I need x to work :)
[04:54] <ajmitch> ivoks: I suppose I should install this wifi-radar on my laptop to test it ;)
[04:54] <ivoks> ajmitch: go ahead
[04:54] <schweeb> blahrus: do I know you from Ars or something, your nick seems familiar
[04:55] <ajmitch> ivoks: you got the reviews needed for wifi-radar?
[04:55] <Amaranth> ajmitch: should i cut out the reviews for it?
[04:55] <ivoks> ajmitch: milions of ubuntu users are using it daily :)
[04:55] <Amaranth> millions?
[04:55] <ivoks> ajmitch: herve and siretart said it's ok :)
[04:55] <Amaranth> if we have millions GNOME 10x10 is done
[04:55] <schweeb> blahrus: there's a mailing list post on how to get X working I believe
[04:55] <schweeb> but it's in quite a bit of flux
[04:55] <ivoks> Amaranth: it's a joke
[04:55] <blahrus> schweeb: yea you do seem very fimilar shome how
[04:55] <schweeb> and could break any day
[04:55] <blahrus> schweeb: devel list?
[04:56] <ajmitch> ivoks: ok, will check the diff, sign & upload
[04:56] <schweeb> ubuntu-devel? no,  not really
[04:56] <ivoks> ajmitch: my sign isn't enough?
[04:56] <schweeb> hang out on Ars Technica/#linux and here
[04:56] <blahrus> schweeb: what else are you into online
[04:56] <ajmitch> ivoks: if your key isn't in the keyring yet, then no
[04:56] <schweeb> other than those... #linode...
[04:56] <schweeb> which I'm barely ever on
[04:56] <ivoks> ajmitch: yeah, that figures :)
[04:57] <ajmitch> otherwise it's a waste of time me uploading, because you could do it ;)
[04:57] <blahrus> thats IT!
[04:57] <schweeb> ahhh
[04:57] <blahrus> i used to be big on linode
[04:57] <schweeb> heh
[04:57] <blahrus> still a great product
[04:57] <schweeb> yea
[04:57] <blahrus> just run my own servers now :)
[04:57] <schweeb> I'm pretty friendly w/ caker and mikegrb
[04:57] <blahrus> yea caker is one smart man
[04:57] <schweeb> but same here, I run my own user mode linux server, actually
[04:57] <schweeb> was looking into Xen, but no hardware/time
[04:57] <blahrus> really
[04:58] <blahrus> yea xen seems cool
[04:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: wifi-radar may have been accepted, but sitting in NEW - we'll never know
[04:58] <blahrus> what distro do you run your uml kernel on?
[04:58] <schweeb> sid
[04:58] <blahrus> cool
[04:58] <ivoks> ajmitch: ?
[04:58] <schweeb> sid from like 9 months ago
[04:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: when you uploaded it, it may have been sitting in a queue that elmo approves
[04:58] <blahrus> no updates?
[04:58] <schweeb> sshhhhh
[04:58] <ivoks> ajmitch: ah... ok
[04:59] <ajmitch> I've uploaded anyway
[04:59] <crimsun> sid from nine months ago might well be sarge ;)
[04:59] <blahrus> haha
[04:59] <ivoks> ajmitch: thanks
[04:59] <ajmitch> no problem
[04:59] <schweeb> alright
[04:59] <schweeb> looking at cxxlibrarylist
[04:59] <blahrus> schweeb: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38630
[04:59] <blahrus> schweeb: that the fix?
[05:00] <schweeb> checking
[05:00] <schweeb> sounds about right
[05:01] <schweeb> no guarantees
[05:01] <Amaranth> ajmitch: you and herve finally decided on a team leader for MOTUPython?
[05:01] <blahrus> heheh go fig ;)
[05:01] <schweeb> I'm in windows right now :(
[05:01] <ajmitch> Amaranth: not really, I just wrote my name down ;)
[05:01] <ajmitch> he can take it if he wants
[05:02] <ajmitch> Amaranth: and feel free to join
[05:02] <schweeb> actually, I can't even really be useful tonight, until my Solaris downloads complete
[05:02] <schweeb> boo
[05:02] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Not MOTU, can't get my key signed. :/
[05:02] <blahrus> schweeb: what are you doing with Solaris?
[05:02] <schweeb> blahrus: for work
[05:02] <blahrus> schweeb: what do you do?
[05:02] <schweeb> I work for one of the big auto companies...
[05:03] <blahrus> cool
[05:03] <schweeb> about 50% SOlaris
[05:03] <blahrus> wow
[05:03] <schweeb> lots of AIX
[05:03] <blahrus> kinda wierd . . . .
[05:03] <schweeb> a little linux
[05:03] <schweeb> a little windows
[05:03] <crimsun> yeah, lots of aix ;)
[05:03] <blahrus> AIX i understand
[05:03] <blahrus> but little windows that a plus
[05:03] <schweeb> meh
[05:03] <schweeb> Windows is a PITA
[05:04] <ajmitch> Amaranth: you don't need to be MOTU to be part of a team, just to lead
[05:04] <blahrus> what apps do they run on Solaris
[05:04] <ajmitch> Amaranth: do you live far away from anyone who can sign your key?
[05:04] <blahrus> yes it is, only reason I run it at home (windows 2000) just to play a few games I just don't wanna mess with wine or cedga
[05:04] <schweeb> directory server, sybase, websphere (I think, or that may only be the AIX systems)
[05:05] <schweeb> PVCS
[05:05] <ajmitch> schweeb: you're a tape boy, right? ;)
[05:05] <blahrus> hah
[05:05] <schweeb> ajmitch: h4n
[05:05] <schweeb> ajmitch: I haven't even touched a tape in 3 wks
[05:05] <Amaranth> ajmitch: 100mi or so
[05:05] <ajmitch> schweeb: whiprush & tseng have corrupted me
[05:05] <schweeb> ajmitch: tseng is my bish
[05:05] <schweeb> and whiprush /is/ a bish
[05:05] <crimsun> Amaranth: where are you located?
[05:06] <ajmitch> Amaranth: that's a shame, I live way down in southern NZ & got my key signed :)
[05:06] <blahrus> 280 upgraded . . .. here goes nothing.
[05:06] <Amaranth> sioux city, iowa
[05:06] <Amaranth> usa
[05:06] <schweeb> I'm in MI
[05:06] <ajmitch> in this tiny little town there's 4-5 DDs, and a bunch of others in the strong set
[05:06] <schweeb> (which is obvious, working for an auto company)
[05:06] <blahrus> I am in IL
[05:07] <crimsun> Amaranth: I'm about 269 mi from you
[05:07] <schweeb> although, I'm already close to the strong set
[05:07] <blahrus> not that I apart of MOTU
[05:07] <Amaranth> crimsun: lincoln, ne?
[05:07] <schweeb> thanks to mako
[05:07] <schweeb> <3
[05:07] <crimsun> Amaranth: rochester, mn
[05:07] <Amaranth> heh
[05:08] <schweeb> I have no idea what to do w/ cxxlibrarylist :P
[05:08] <ajmitch> schweeb: find a package, fix it
[05:08] <schweeb> most of them look claimed
[05:08] <ajmitch> tips are on BreezyToolchainTransition
[05:08] <ajmitch> schweeb: plenty aren't
[05:09] <schweeb> I also know no C++, so these better be easy :P
[05:10] <Amaranth> some are just a package name change
[05:10] <ajmitch> heh
[05:10] <ajmitch> mostly it's packaging changes
[05:10] <Amaranth> others are small fixes to make them compile on g++4
[05:10] <ajmitch> rather than deep c++ magic
[05:10] <blahrus> thats great Mark Shuttleworth on on wikipedia
[05:10] <blahrus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
[05:10] <Amaranth> i think some required l33t C++ skills
[05:11] <Amaranth> blahrus: been on wikipedia since before ubuntu existed
[05:11] <Amaranth> btw, i'm on wikipedia ;)
[05:11] <ajmitch> amazing :)
[05:11] <schweeb> yea, so why do they need a name change.. just curious
[05:11] <blahrus> Amaranth: where is your link
[05:11] <Amaranth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Watkins
[05:12] <Amaranth> someone else created it, i added the birthday and blog link
[05:12] <ajmitch> ah that's right, you're infamous for pymusique
[05:12] <blahrus> Amaranth: leet ;)
[05:12] <Amaranth> ajmitch: i try :)
[05:12] <Amaranth> my avatar on ubuntuforums is the pymusique logo
[05:13] <Amaranth> no one notices
[05:13] <blahrus> anyone know how much BW ubuntu uses on an avg day?
[05:14] <schweeb> blahrus: hard to tell, considering there are unofficial mirrors all over, and torrents
[05:14] <blahrus> yea, I was wondering more about the update mirror and stuff . . . .
[05:15] <schweeb> ah
[05:15] <blahrus> just wondering I do a lot of colo . . . so just the questions I ask :0
[05:15] <Unfrgiven> hi everybody
[05:15] <ajmitch> wb Unfrgiven
[05:15] <Unfrgiven> Amaranth: dude... you have your own wikipedia page... respect!
[05:16] <blahrus> dont boost his ego . . .
[05:16] <schweeb> yea, speaking of colo, I'm considering a new one myself
[05:16] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: why not? i like to give credit where its due :)
[05:16] <schweeb> gotta start looking for 1U's soon
[05:16] <blahrus> oh yea? I know I am just giving him a hard dtime
[05:16] <blahrus> PM coming :)
[05:17] <Amaranth> blahrus: It can't boost anymore. ;) I still get hatemail from apple fanboys from time to time.
[05:17] <blahrus> really . . . oh gosh
[05:17] <blahrus> apple ever contact you about it?
[05:17] <Amaranth> nope
[05:17] <blahrus> I guess they don't care they are still making money
[05:17] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: the stuff on UniversexxTransition. the ones that FTBFS, do we need to write the patches? im happy to submit patches. im fluent in C++
[05:18] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: the ones on the universeCxxTransition should all have patches, afaik
[05:18] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: even the ones without the patch tag?
[05:18] <ajmitch> I haven't looked..
[05:19] <ajmitch> take a look at the debian bug for them
[05:19] <Unfrgiven> yeah ive got one open atm. that one doesnt have a patch on the debian bug.
[05:19] <ajmitch> which one?
[05:19] <ajmitch> it won't get built until cxxapps aren't blacklisted on the buildds any longer
[05:20] <Unfrgiven> aleph
[05:20] <ajmitch> you can fix it & submit the patch to debian
[05:20] <Unfrgiven> excellent... ill do that then
[05:20] <ajmitch> by the time we can build apps, etch might be open :)
[05:20] <ajmitch> and you might just be able to sync from debian
[05:21] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: also with regards to me submitting my libflash changes to debian. how should i do that? cuz i packaged a new upstream release
[05:21] <Unfrgiven> and transitioned to gcc4 as well in one hit
[05:21] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: send an URL as a wishlist bug to the libflash maintainer
[05:21] <ajmitch> be polite ;)
[05:22] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: whats with the debian elitist attitude?
[05:22] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: because we DDs are so much better than everyone else you know ;)
[05:22] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: im just trying to help after all :)
[05:23] <ajmitch> yep
[05:23] <ajmitch> some maintainers might be a little touchy
[05:23] <ajmitch> you get that with any large group of geeks
[05:24] <ajmitch> ubuntu has stayed surprisingly free of those attitudes
[05:24] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: so i need to create a new bug against debian as a wishlist bug? or just send an email to the maintainer with a link with the url of my source packages?
[05:24] <ajmitch> it has made it a lot more fun to work on ubuntu
[05:25] <ajmitch> new wishlist bug, it makes it easier to keep track of
[05:25] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: thats what i love most about ubuntu... the friendly community! i never thought i'd move away from debian... but ubuntu is worth it!
[05:26] <ajmitch> yeah, I never intended to swicth away from debian, but I finally did..
[05:26] <ajmitch> although I still work on debian
[05:26] <ajmitch> and I should really do more work there :)
[05:27] <blahrus> ajmitch: what do you do for debian
[05:27] <ajmitch> blahrus: I just maintain a few packages
[05:27] <crimsun> heh, I replaced a seven year-old sid system with hoary before I moved up here
[05:28] <blahrus> crimsun: where do you live?
[05:28] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ive wanted to be a debian developer for so long... it was always so hard to get my foot through the door.
[05:28] <blahrus> ajmitch: thats cool
[05:28] <crimsun> blahrus: rochester, mn
[05:28] <blahrus> wow lots of mid-west people here
[05:28] <Unfrgiven> ive managed to get involved with ubuntu quite easily... UD's (ubuntu devs) rock!
[05:28] <ajmitch> yeah, so I became a DD just after I got involved with ubuntu :)
[05:28] <blahrus> Unfrgiven: do you know a lot of C?
[05:28] <crimsun> I'm actually from the east coast, but I'm up here with the blue for the summer
[05:28] <ajmitch> I was in the NM queue for awhile
[05:29] <ajmitch> this team-based approach seems to be quite a lot more productive for what we need
[05:29] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: yeah a reasonable amount. im a c++ dev by profession. ive done quite a bit of C work too.
[05:29] <crimsun> it certainly encourages cooperation more
[05:30] <blahrus> Unfrgiven: yea I guess thats been my only fallback about being a linux guy, is I don't know much programing
[05:30] <crimsun> bah, you don't have to know any programming to be a linux guy
[05:31] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: but you don't have to be a programmer to contribute. i used to think like you as well until recently. but now ive realised that there is so much more
[05:31] <Unfrgiven> packaging for instance != programming
[05:31] <blahrus> well I know that, but i just don't feel like I can give back as much
[05:31] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: how about docs/qa/testing/packaging?
[05:31] <Unfrgiven> there is still heaps that you can do
[05:31] <Unfrgiven> and i promise that you'll probably leanr some programming along the way :)
[05:31] <blahrus> I have done a bit of packaging in fedora but not ubuntu
[05:32] <blahrus> updating my breezy box now, not looking forward to X being borken
[05:33] <Unfrgiven> i thought that X probs were fixed now?
[05:33] <blahrus> I guess I am about to find out :)
[05:33] <Unfrgiven> i must admit that i havent updated breezy in like 4 weeks now :)
[05:33] <blahrus> mirrors must be bogged down, only getting about 44k
[05:33] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: I've done selective upgrades :)
[05:33] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: same :)
[05:33] <ajmitch> blahrus: that's more than I can ever get :)
[05:34] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: but in my case selective = approx. 5 packages :)
[05:34] <blahrus> ajmitch: really, I have gotten 300k plus
[05:34] <ajmitch> blahrus: I only have 256Kbps DSL
[05:34] <blahrus> ajmitch: ahhh
[05:36] <schweeb> ajmitch: you have metered too, like the aussies?
[05:36] <ajmitch> schweeb: thankfully not on this plan
[05:36] <schweeb> that would be horrible
[05:36] <ajmitch> but if I went to 2Mbps, I'd have a 10GB data limit
[05:36] <schweeb> weak
[05:36] <ajmitch> 64Kbps after that :)
[05:36] <schweeb> I've downloaded that in a week, easily before
[05:36] <blahrus> I think I have 4mbps and around 40kbps up
[05:36] <ajmitch> NZ is even worse than australia for broadband
[05:40] <Unfrgiven> australian broadband is improving though... im on unlimited 512 atm
[05:40] <ajmitch> NZ is slowly improving, not keeping up with the rest of the world very well
[05:40] <Unfrgiven> but 6-8MBPS is now avaialble... with upto 40 GIG limits
[05:41] <Unfrgiven> and some aussie isps now have ADSL2+ which is upto 24MBPS
[05:41] <Unfrgiven> now that is SWEET
[05:41] <ajmitch> 40GB is still easy to get through in a month
[05:41] <ajmitch> we might get ADSL2+ in a couple of years :)
[05:42] <ajmitch> they say later this year.. but I doubt that'll be useful for most
[05:43] <Unfrgiven> i really wish i had a faster connection... but its so much worse for you so i shouldnt complain
[05:43] <Unfrgiven> my in-laws in NZ have the 2MBit link... i love using the net there :)
[05:44] <Unfrgiven> its almost worth not updating breezy till i go there because then its done VERY quickly :)
[05:44] <schweeb> I'm stuck on 384kbit right now
[05:44] <ajmitch> heh :)
[05:44] <schweeb> sucks
[05:44] <schweeb> I'm maxing it out as we speak
[05:44] <schweeb> w/ 2G of ISOs
[05:44] <schweeb> yea
[05:44] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ouch!
[05:44] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: ouch! :)
[05:45] <blahrus> in my town, I can get cable line, 6mbps down and 512kbps up for 79 a month
[05:45] <schweeb> I had 256kbit until they upgraded their plans
[05:45] <schweeb> blahrus: yea, can pretty much get that here
[05:45] <schweeb> with Comcast
[05:45] <Unfrgiven> i've just started using apt-proxy... its a godsend... especially since i run multiple chroot environments on multiple machines
[05:45] <schweeb> but I have Charter
[05:45] <blahrus> schweeb: yea we have insightbb
[05:45] <blahrus> I like have a smaller provider :)
[05:45] <blahrus> having*
[05:46] <Unfrgiven> how much does breezy change on a daily basis? ive considered mirror it at home as a nightly job....
[05:46] <Unfrgiven> *mirroring
[05:46] <Unfrgiven> that way my updates would be speedy
[05:46] <blahrus> depends on the take and what got updated
[05:46] <ajmitch> just do apt-get -dy dist-upgrade from cron each night
[05:47] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: doesnt work like that for apt-proxy
[05:47] <ajmitch> sure it does
[05:47] <ajmitch> I've used apt-proxy for quite awhile
[05:47] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: apt-proxy downloads only what you request... i want to cover all the packages accross my multiple envs...
[05:47] <ajmitch> oh alright.. :)
[05:48] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: :)
[05:48] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: howd u get a gnu.org email address?
[05:48] <ajmitch> use apt-move & apt-move mirror...
[05:48] <ajmitch> for doing some gnu stuff
[05:48] <ajmitch> awhile back
[05:48] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: oooh... i havent heard of apt-mirror. ill go investigate it
[05:50] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: im still waiting for my ubuntu email address. elmo said the member addresses werent setup yet
[05:50] <ajmitch> yeah, I want one of them..
[05:50] <ajmitch> I got the tshirt, now I want the email :)
[05:51] <schweeb> heh
[05:51] <schweeb> I got a tshirt too
[05:51] <|QuaD-_> (
[05:51] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ditto :)
[05:51] <schweeb> yea, whenever t hey get the email addresses, put me right onthe list
[05:52] <|QuaD-_> schweeb: i dunno bout you, but i am not a member, so i can't get one
[05:52] <Unfrgiven> do members get shell accounts?
[05:52] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: probably not
[05:52] <schweeb> |QuaD-_: I am
[05:52] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: MOTUs?
[05:52] <|QuaD-_> schweeb: ohh
[05:52] <ajmitch> elmo is trying to set it up so that only email accounts are given
[05:52] <ajmitch> probably not, again..
[05:52] <ajmitch> we're not special enough ;)
[05:53] <schweeb> it shouldn't be too tough for him to do
[05:53] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: bummer. oh and does being a MOTU mean you can upload for universe?
[05:53] <|QuaD-_> ajmitch: at least you get email addresses :)
[05:53] <schweeb> just use mysql or pgsq or ldap
[05:53] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: yep
[05:53] <schweeb> that's the whole point
[05:53] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: that is preceisely what a MOTU is
[05:53] <ajmitch> we can do that, and not much else
[05:53] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: oh... i though MOTUs can review and sign packages and the uploading was the next level up
[05:53] <schweeb> |QuaD-_: it's not _too_ tough to become a member, just put in time, make yourself useful, and make yourself known
[05:54] <ajmitch> no, MOTUs review, sign, and upload
[05:54] <ajmitch> it's why our reviews matter :)
[05:54] <Unfrgiven> im wanting to become a motu, working towards it :)
[05:54] <ajmitch> the reviewing policy is something the MOTUs decided on ourselves
[05:54] <schweeb> they sign it because of the upload process
[05:54] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: its quite a good policy
[05:54] <schweeb> the buildd only accepts valid MOTU/maintainer keys
[05:54] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: yeah. hence my interest :)
[05:54] <schweeb> heh
[05:55] <ajmitch> we don't have our keys in the main keyring, only the universe keyring for uploads
[05:55] <ajmitch> so we can't accidentally break main
[05:55] <schweeb> right
[05:55] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: yeah and thats fair enough.
[05:55] <ajmitch> well, tseng, ogra & dholbach can all upload to main now
[05:55] <Unfrgiven> is it fair to say that most of the main devs are canonical employees?
[05:55] <ajmitch> yes, most are, not all
[05:55] <schweeb> I'd say maybe half
[05:55] <ajmitch> I don't know who's on the list of main uploaders
[05:56] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: yeah i heard about ogra, tseng and daniel.... good for them. they deserve all the credit they get for their awesome efforts
[05:56] <crimsun> that's it
[05:56] <Unfrgiven> all three are very hard working and friendly guys
[05:56] <crimsun> the rest of us are limited to unlimited
[05:56] <crimsun> universe
[05:57] <crimsun> brain freeze
[05:57] <Unfrgiven> crimsun: wll put :)
[05:57] <schweeb> tseng's a slacker!
[05:57] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: main requires a lot more time investment as well though. perhaps not everyone can put that sort of time in
[05:58] <ajmitch> I know that
[05:58] <ajmitch> but I just got some more free time :)
[05:58] <crimsun> I should have a bit this weekend to work on cxxtrans
[05:59] <schweeb> ajmitch: nice
[05:59] <crimsun> great :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> time to hit c++ like a ton of bricks
[05:59] <schweeb> I've gotta fix my workstation at work, install NX on it
[05:59] <JDahl> I'd bet even taking case of universe takes up alot of time... I was thought of getting more involved, but cant see where I'd get the extra time from
[05:59] <schweeb> so I can "work from home"
[06:00] <schweeb> JDahl: there's no minimum time requirement or anything
[06:00] <crimsun> I could vpn in, but I live 5 minutes from work, so it's kinda pointless
[06:00] <schweeb> you work in .edu though
[06:00] <schweeb> much more laid back environment
[06:00] <schweeb> :p
[06:00] <ajmitch> JDahl: just give the time you have
[06:00] <blahrus> NX is great
[06:00] <crimsun> schweeb: ibm, actually.
[06:00] <ajmitch> NX is a great concept, the code is a steaming pile, apparantly :)
[06:00] <schweeb> crimsun: oh, I thought you worked for a .edu
[06:01] <blahrus> ajmitch: yea?
[06:01] <crimsun> schweeb: I did/do, but I'm up here now ;)
[06:01] <schweeb> crimsun: what you doing there
[06:01] <ajmitch> blahrus: a bit tangled
[06:01] <blahrus> ajmitch: all i know is it worked on dial when I was still there
[06:01] <blahrus> thought it was sweet
[06:01] <Unfrgiven> i have remote access to work. its great :) only problem is that we use Novell for vpn and there is no free client :( the company doesn't buy the linux client! so i have to use a windows box to access work remotely
[06:01] <crimsun> schweeb: power5 inav stuff
[06:01] <schweeb> crimsun: nice
[06:01] <schweeb> we have a lot of power5's
[06:02] <schweeb> and power4's
[06:02] <blahrus> Unfrgiven: wine wont run it?
[06:02] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: to be honest, i havent tried. but i doubt it very much since it installs a driver
[06:02] <blahrus> ahhhh
[06:02] <blahrus> then I doubt it also :(
[06:03] <JDahl> schweeb, I work for .edu - but as a young guy trying to make it that's hardly a "laid back environment" :P Maybe in 5-10 years it will be
[06:03] <Unfrgiven> im shocked that there isnt a free novell client
[06:04] <schweeb> JDahl: how old are you?
[06:04] <JDahl> schweeb, 31
[06:04] <schweeb> eh, you're old
[06:04] <crimsun> bah, that's not old
[06:04] <schweeb> :)
[06:04] <Unfrgiven> i think ajmitch is the youngest here isnt he?
[06:04] <crimsun> :p
[06:04] <schweeb> I'm 21
[06:04] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: oooh we have a new winner :P
[06:04] <ajmitch> aha, schweeb's younger :P
[06:05] <JDahl> schweeb, I probably spend 21 years in school
[06:05] <schweeb> haha
[06:05] <ajmitch> schweeb: at least I could buy beer at 18 here :)
[06:05] <schweeb> I just put school on hold for a while
[06:05] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: gotta luv NZ & Aus eh :)
[06:05] <schweeb> got a great offer to work at my current job
[06:05] <blahrus> 21 here also
[06:05] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: what do you do? who for?
[06:05] <blahrus> ajmitch: don't rub it in!
[06:05] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: backup administration for EDS/Chrysler
[06:06] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: im turning 24 in 4 months... im feeling old!
[06:06] <blahrus> schweeb: what are you drinking
[06:06] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: schweeb is a tape boy ;)
[06:06] <schweeb> Bell's Oberon
[06:06] <schweeb> brewed in Kalamazoo, MI... awesome stuff
[06:06] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: LOL!
[06:06] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: he lies.
[06:06] <blahrus> schweeb: looks really good
[06:06] <blahrus> already at their site
[06:06] <blahrus> hum . ..  beeer
[06:06] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: I also most likely make way more money than he :p
[06:07] <ajmitch> schweeb: of course you do
[06:07] <ajmitch> schweeb: I'm still at uni
[06:07] <blahrus> schweeb: can't order off their site?
[06:07] <ajmitch> st least for another couple of weeks
[06:07] <schweeb> blahrus: probably not
[06:07] <schweeb> blahrus: you'd have to go to a specialty beer store to get it there
[06:07] <schweeb> and it's not exactly cheap here
[06:08] <schweeb> foster's? eww
[06:08] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: neither... i cant stand beer. im a whiskey man!
[06:08] <ajmitch> aha
[06:08] <schweeb> blahrus: I suggest purchasing some... best beer I've ever hda
[06:08] <schweeb> *had
[06:08] <ajmitch> schweeb: he's australian, no accounting for lack of taste..
[06:08] <Unfrgiven> fosters sux anyway. we export it because we can't stand it. :)
[06:08] <schweeb> ajmitch: lol
[06:08] <blahrus> schweeb: yea It sucks being a beer snob already at 21, I think I have paid more beer than most people have in their life
[06:08] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: yeah I know
[06:09] <JDahl> cant stand beer? I don't recall I ever met a person that can't stand beer
[06:09] <schweeb> blahrus: meh, I'll still drink Busch or Milwaukee's best if that's all there is
[06:09] <schweeb> JDahl: most girls
[06:09] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: I've heard that not even uni students would drink it
[06:09] <blahrus> schweeb: I can't
[06:09] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: now now lets not start an aus vs nz war here ;)
[06:09] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: very true :) what degree do you do?
[06:09] <blahrus> schweeb: some times I would like too
[06:09] <ajmitch> CS, grad diploma in telecommunications
[06:10] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: kewl. and you finish in a couple of weeks?
[06:10] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: yep
[06:10] <blahrus> guiness
[06:10] <blahrus> ohhhh guiness
[06:10] <ajmitch> maybe I should come back over to sydney & visit
[06:10] <blahrus> gosh how I love it
[06:10] <schweeb> lol
[06:10] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: so what you doing after you are done? you already have a job dont u?
[06:10] <schweeb> I have guinness in the fridge as well
[06:10] <ajmitch> yeah, a job for a few months doing php coding
[06:10] <blahrus> schweeb: STOP!
[06:10] <schweeb> and Bell's Pale Ale
[06:10] <schweeb> :)
[06:11] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: for the record,im not a female :P but i still hate beer
[06:11] <schweeb> lots of my newly earned funds go towards beer and food
[06:11] <blahrus> don't force me to drink the mgd that my grandpa left in the fridge
[06:11] <schweeb> eww
[06:11] <schweeb> bottom of the barrel
[06:11] <blahrus> yea I KNOW!
[06:11] <schweeb> go to the store man!
[06:11] <schweeb> it's only midnight
[06:12] <schweeb> maybe 11 there
[06:12] <schweeb> there's gotta be a meijer's or something
[06:12] <blahrus> he did leave some reallly good vodka
[06:12] <schweeb> what type?
[06:12] <blahrus> there is but then I would have to leave
[06:12] <blahrus> starts with an S
[06:12] <schweeb> Stoli?
[06:12] <blahrus> smoothest I have ever had
[06:12] <blahrus> let me check
[06:12] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: are you an aspiring motu as well?
[06:12] <Amaranth> drinks like one ;)
[06:12] <blahrus> might have to get glass while I am down there ;)
[06:12] <ajmitch> he will be
[06:12] <ajmitch> because to be a MOTU is the greatest honour
[06:13] <blahrus> doesn't get much better
[06:13] <ajmitch> blahrus: we'll find something for you to do that you like :)
[06:13] <blahrus> brb
[06:13] <Unfrgiven> BTW "motu" in Hindi (Indian Language) means fatty!
[06:13] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: all MOTUs are alcoholics :p
[06:13] <blahrus> hahah fatty
[06:13] <ajmitch> we are not!
[06:13] <ajmitch> schweeb: we enjoy a quiet beer at times :)
[06:13] <blahrus> I have a friend that works with an Indian, and he named his sun Nigar . . . .
[06:13] <ajmitch> Amaranth: sure you are..
[06:14] <Unfrgiven> Amaranth: dude! how young are you?
[06:14] <Amaranth> 18
[06:14] <blahrus> he said he thoght about changing it now that he know what it means in the US
[06:14] <Unfrgiven> Amaranth: thats old enough where i live!
[06:14] <ajmitch> Amaranth: 18 is more than old enough to drink
[06:14] <schweeb> ajmitch: lies
[06:14] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: its true
[06:14] <schweeb> hah
[06:14] <ajmitch> maybe not for you backwards people in the US ;)
[06:14] <schweeb> tim hull is back at suggesting stuff for breezy
[06:14] <schweeb> nice.
[06:14] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hahaha
[06:14] <JDahl> I love Belgian beer, but that's pretty hard to get in the US - and expensive
[06:14] <schweeb> how absolutely annoying
[06:15] <blahrus> I have been drinking a lot of bluemoon and shlafly and of corse the guiness
[06:15] <schweeb> JDahl: blue moon or what
[06:15] <blahrus> BLUE MOON!
[06:15] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: who's tim hull? the medicine mask guy?
[06:15] <schweeb> no
[06:15] <schweeb> well, maybe
[06:15] <blahrus> brb I need to check that vodka
[06:15] <schweeb> look at the mailing list
[06:15] <Amaranth> HostingGeek?
[06:15] <ajmitch> hah that medicine mask is great ;)
[06:15] <JDahl> schweeb, mostly I like the Trapiste Ale (Chimay, Westmalle, etc)
[06:15] <ajmitch> schweeb: devel, users, or sounder?
[06:16] <Amaranth> is sounder low-traffic enough to leave it for 2 days and not be swamped with email?
[06:16] <schweeb> ajmitch: devel
[06:16] <schweeb> ajmitch: thully on irc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:17] <ajmitch> only mail I see from him is may 8th
[06:17] <schweeb> basically, he seems to want Ubuntu to be OOB exactly how HE configures his system
[06:17] <schweeb> no matter how odd the config setting
[06:17] <schweeb> ajmitch: I have some historical ones on my other server
[06:18] <schweeb> nothing much good recently
[06:18] <blahrus> schweeb: seagam's
[06:18] <blahrus> or something like that
[06:18] <schweeb> ajmitch: but, basically, it's one of those threads where mdz immediately smacked it down
[06:18] <ajmitch> sounds fun
[06:19] <blahrus> mdz hehe
[06:19] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: mdz is too nice though
[06:19] <ajmitch> looks like it's time to smack down a flatmate for bandwidth abuse...
[06:19] <ajmitch> I can't get my breezy crack!
[06:19] <blahrus> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:20] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: he gets down to business when he has to
[06:20] <blahrus> doesn't sound good
[06:20] <ajmitch> blahrus: expected :)
[06:20] <blahrus> should I reboot?
[06:20] <blahrus> see what happens
[06:20] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: you know how i kept asking at UDU if we've met before? i remembered that you look very similar to a kiwi that i worked with, Simon Gralick. the resemblance is uncanny!
[06:20] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: especially on debian-legal type threads
[06:20] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: scary
[06:20] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: ah right... must check those out some time
[06:21] <blahrus> brb
[06:21] <blahrus> going to restart X
[06:21] <ajmitch> hmm, I'm at 99% of downloads, and it starts timing out
[06:21] <ajmitch> how annoying
[06:24] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: indeed
[06:26] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: how does one check if a package cleans up after itself properly?
[06:28] <ajmitch> in what way?
[06:28] <Amaranth> would it be bad if my smeg package ran rm -rf build/ on clean::?
[06:28] <ajmitch> Amaranth: not at all
[06:28] <Amaranth> ok, next version will
[06:28] <Amaranth> next version will be 0.8, but yeah
[06:28] <ajmitch> argh, xscreensaver-gl just won't get past 2,001,136 bytes :)
[06:28] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: in terms of files that the ./configure has created
[06:29] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: and the make
[06:29] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: hmm, check what goes into the diff..
[06:30] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ah ok... thats all then.
[06:30] <ajmitch> or keep a list of files around.. check to see if building the package twice causes diff to complain about binary file changes
[06:31] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: sounds easy enough
[06:31] <ajmitch> it is
[06:31] <blahrus> having some issues :(
[06:31] <ajmitch> wb
[06:31] <ajmitch> X not working?
[06:31] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: such as?
[06:31] <blahrus> well I am doing a dist-upgrade
[06:31] <Amaranth> dirty
[06:31] <blahrus> x failed to start
[06:31] <blahrus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38630&page=2&pp=10
[06:31] <blahrus> didn't work
[06:32] <ajmitch> probbaly reconfigure your xorg.conf
[06:32] <ajmitch> since the font paths changed
[06:32] <blahrus> ehhh how easy is that?
[06:32] <ajmitch> dunno what else might have changed :)
[06:32] <blahrus> xorg 6.8.2-21 is installing now
[06:33] <blahrus> ajmitch: good luck :)
[06:33] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: i had the font paths issue yesterday
[06:33] <ajmitch> if it breaks, I get to keep the pieces
[06:33] <Amaranth> i'm fully upgraded in breezy
[06:33] <Amaranth> no issues
[06:34] <blahrus> one thing I have found, is if I update every day I don't have many issues
[06:39] <Unfrgiven> hey Treenaks
[06:39] <Treenaks> morning
[06:39] <blahrus> Treenaks: no power when you got up?
[06:40] <Treenaks> blahrus: oh there was.. but there hadn't been for some time during the night, apparently
[06:40] <blahrus> Where do you live?
[06:40] <Treenaks> Netherlands
[06:40] <Treenaks> this is the second power break in 3\ years
[06:41] <blahrus> hum . . . synaptic just got removed . . .  . ..
[06:41] <Treenaks> \o/
[06:41] <Treenaks> (did I say that? :))
[06:44] <blahrus> well it looks like x kinda started
[06:44] <blahrus> dang I knew this was going to happen.
[06:45] <Unfrgiven> Treenaks: what does "\o/" mean? ive seen you use it before... and ive tried to work it out but i cant :)
[06:46] <Treenaks> Unfrgiven: arms raised in the air in celebration (think "Yay!")
[06:46] <blahrus> not yay! :)
[06:47] <Unfrgiven> Treenaks: oh right... i would've never worked that out!
[06:48] <blahrus> alright well it goes to x but it stays black and nothing happens I can't even get another term.
[06:49] <Unfrgiven> whats in your /var/log/Xorg.log?
[06:49] <blahrus> can't get to it
[06:51] <blahrus> system goes to X and then locks up . . . should have known better than this
[06:53] <blahrus> any suggestions or should I just go to bed for the night
[06:53] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: reboot  reboot in maintenance mode. and then check the log. disable gdm from starting on boot
[06:53] <blahrus> maintenace mode?
[06:53] <Unfrgiven> argh... i cant remember what we call it in ubuntu... u know in the grub menu
[06:54] <Unfrgiven> select the other option for your kernel
[06:54] <Unfrgiven> repair mode?
[06:54] <Unfrgiven> sorry i have a mindblank atm...
[06:54] <blahrus> ahhh recovery mode
[06:54] <Unfrgiven> thats the one :)
[06:55] <Unfrgiven> i kept thinking safe mode but thats windows!
[06:55] <blahrus> think I put a bit to much vodka in the drink this time
[06:55] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: im sure ull b ok :P
[06:55] <blahrus> the font paths are missconfigured
[06:56] <blahrus> how do I reconfig X in ubuntu?
[06:56] <Unfrgiven> just manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:56] <Unfrgiven> make a backup first
[06:56] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: i went through this process las night
[06:56] <Unfrgiven> *last
[06:57] <blahrus> manually . . . . ehhhh
[06:57] <Unfrgiven> i had to change /usr/lib to /usr/X11R6/lib or vice versa... cant remmeber now
[06:57] <Unfrgiven> in xorg.conf for font paths
[06:58] <blahrus> it is set to usr/share/X11
[06:59] <blahrus> they seem to be there
[06:59] <Unfrgiven> hmmm... im at work right now on a windows box... so i cant tell you what it should say
[07:01] <blahrus> well thanks for your help at this time its best if I go to bed, I will talk to you all tomorrow
[07:01] <Unfrgiven> blahrus: ok np. good night
[07:02] <blahrus> night all
[09:39] <\sh> morning
[09:53] <\sh> ogra: ping
[10:01] <doko> ajmitch: ping
[10:33] <ajmitch> doko: yes?
[10:35] <doko> ajmitch, you did claim a lot of cxxlibs on the wiki page, are you still working on these?
[10:36] <ajmitch> doko: yes, I've come across quite a few that FTBFS with no patch yet
[10:36] <ajmitch> and I've just had a very busy couple of weeks
[10:36] <doko> can you fix them?
[10:37] <ajmitch> maybe - some occurred due to a compiler upgrade (4.0.0-7ubuntu6 -> -7ubuntu7)
[10:37] <ajmitch> which I didn't have time to put together into a bug report for you
[10:37] <doko> I added the new names, where missing. please could you check, if you do use the same?
[10:38] <ajmitch> ok
[10:38] <doko> yes, the compiler got stricter, but those are usually fixable in the package
[10:38] <ajmitch> this package was templates upon templates :)
[10:38] <doko> ugh
[10:39] <doko> what about fox and fox1.2?
[10:39] <ajmitch> ah, firebird2, that requires me to write a patch
[10:39] <ajmitch> editex had ocaml issues
[10:40] <ajmitch> freefem needs to be filed in bugzilla
[10:40] <ajmitch> gfccore, gfcui are big debdiffs
[10:40] <doko> there are 17 claimed packages. did you start to work on all of them?
[10:40] <ajmitch> yes
[10:42] <ajmitch> most are done, I just haven't cleaned up the diffs or uploaded the approved ones
[10:42] <doko> please could you upload the approved ones?
[10:42] <ajmitch> some need to be synced from debian again (libcommoncpp2)
[10:42] <ajmitch> certainly
[10:42] <ajmitch> apart fro mexams, I just finished at university today
[10:43] <doko> heh, cool!
[10:43] <ajmitch> I'm quite happy about that :)
[10:43] <ajmitch> chmj: around?
[10:43] <doko> don't get me wrong, I just want to have other apps buildable again ;-)
[10:44] <ajmitch> doko: I know, I've been wanting to get some time to work on these again :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> hmm, who broke the upload host?
[10:57] <doko> ajmitch: which one?
[10:57] <ajmitch> upload.ubuntu.com, I get connection refused
[11:06] <doko> ajmitch: yes, looks like it's down
[11:18] <doko> DanielN: ping
[11:24] <doko> ajmitch: try again
[11:26] <ajmitch> uploading..
[11:26] <ajmitch> thanks
[12:10] <tseng> doko: hey
[12:10] <ivoks> hi
[12:12] <doko> tseng: hi
[12:12] <ivoks> is there any other graphical sudo besides gksudo?
[12:12] <tseng> doko: ok. we need someone to be testing ironpython and mono and filing mono bugs for things that dont work
[12:12] <tseng> doko: that way it can actually get fixed :
[12:12] <tseng> :)
[12:14] <doko> tseng: yes ... maybe I need a mono intro first ... are you around in about 1 hour? need to finish some pysvn stuff first.
[12:15] <tseng> hm no.. we are so badly timed
[12:15] <tseng> i will be on in a very limited fashion from work in about 2 hours
[12:15] <ivoks> "I hope you didnt hardcode gksudo but rather $graphical_sudo ?"
[12:15] <ivoks> doh... :)
[12:31] <ivoks> hi
[12:32] <ivoks> I have some great ideas for http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Firewalls
[12:33] <ogra> \sh pong
[12:34] <tseng> hi ogra
[12:34] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes...?
[12:34] <Treenaks> ivoks: what's this obsession with firewalls? all ports are closed by default. Programs that open ports are quite obvious about it.
[12:34] <doko> ajmitch: did you test cln?
[12:35] <ajmitch> doko: is there a problem with it now?
[12:35] <doko> yes
[12:35] <doko> see the build logs
[12:35] <ajmitch> I don't upload diffs that I haven't tested :)
[12:36] <ogra> hey tseng
[12:37] <ivoks> ajmitch Treenaks firewall would be pice of cake to organize with layer 7 filtering
[12:37] <tepsipakki> hmm, I need some help with dpatch..
[12:37] <ivoks> so you don't need to know what app opens which port
[12:37] <ajmitch> ivoks: sure, just implement layer 7 filtering in a nice user-friendly & non-intrusive manner
[12:37] <ivoks> ajmitch: it's easy
[12:37] <ivoks> :)
[12:37] <tepsipakki> the first time I run debian/rules binary, it complains "01_rename_binary.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument", but the second time it goes fine
[12:38] <ivoks> i just need a guy who know python :)
[12:38] <ivoks> maybe herve
[12:38] <ajmitch> ivoks: I know python fairly well, but you haven't explained how you'd do it
[12:38] <ajmitch> doko: right, so it sued to build fine, now it doesn't with compiler updates..
[12:38] <ajmitch> s/sued/used/
[12:39] <ivoks> ajmitch: ever used http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ ?
[12:39] <ajmitch> can't say I have, is the performance anywhere near adequate?
[12:39] <ivoks> ajmitch: /usr/local/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -m iprange -m layer7 --l7proto edonkey --src-range <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS> -j REJECT
[12:39] <ivoks> ajmitch: there goes edonkey... without needing to know which ports it uses etc...
[12:40] <ajmitch> great, now what about ssl? :)
[12:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: you can't beat that
[12:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: but then user will want that
[12:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: you can use ssl tunneling by accident :)
[12:41] <ivoks> s/can/can\'t/
[12:41] <ajmitch> depends on the app
[12:41] <ajmitch> some might do ssl by default, without the users having to intervene
[12:41] <ivoks> ajmitch: apps come from main/universe... under control
[12:44] <ajmitch> ivoks: well if you think l7-filter is useful, try & convince fabbione to include it in the kernel :)
[12:44] <ivoks> :)
[12:45] <ivoks> ajmitch: iptables userland needs patching then too :)
[12:45] <ajmitch> that's trivial to achieve compared to convincing fabbione
[12:50] <ivoks> :)
[12:51] <ajmitch> now *if* you managed to get all that in, then a pygtk frontend would be trivial to put together :)
[12:58] <ajmitch> doko: found cln patch on mailing list, rebuilding :)
[01:29] <\sh> ogra: pingeling .... i have something for you for your special project concerning bugzilla ;)
[01:30] <ogra> yep, shoot
[01:31] <\sh> ogra: http://wire.dattitu.de/archives/14-Looking-for-quickest-bugfixer.html
[01:34] <ogra> \sh, the questions is if we really want to honor th quickest :) i'd rather see the community voting for the best bugfixer.... for one, because they know which bug bugged them most and secondly we get a heap full of people looking at bugs that never looked at them before :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> sometimes the quickest solution isn't the best :)
[01:35] <ogra> (you need to look at the bugs first, before you can vote ;) )
[01:38] <ivoks> doko: what's with openscenegraph?
[01:39] <doko> I did add an xclass comment ...
[01:39] <ivoks> doko: yeah, xclass was builded couple of days ago...
[01:43] <ivoks> Lathiat: problems? :)
[01:43] <ivoks> ajmitch: ping
[01:44] <Lathiat> ivoks: hmm ?
[01:44] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes?
[01:45] <ivoks> Lathiat: quit, join
[01:45] <ivoks> ajmitch: what's FQDN of ravel? :)
[01:45] <Lathiat> shrug, think my isps transit is b0rking
[01:45] <ajmitch> huh?
[01:45] <ivoks> fully qualified domain name
[01:45] <ivoks> hostname
[01:45] <ajmitch> but what is ravel?
[01:45] <ivoks> ?
[01:46] <ajmitch> that is what you typed? :)
[01:46] <ivoks> yes
[01:46] <ivoks> Tollef created username for me on amd64 machine(s)
[01:46] <ajmitch> so why are you asking me? :)
[01:46] <ivoks> i guess name of that machine(s) is ravel
[01:46] <ivoks> or am i wrong? :)
[01:46] <ajmitch> I have absolutely no idea
[01:47] <\sh> ogra: well, we should think about "the quickest" as well, cause fixing .desktop files is also important ;-)
[01:48] <ivoks> \sh: do you have access to ravel?
[01:48] <ajmitch> ivoks: I believe you may be asking the wrong person about this :)
[01:48] <ogra> \sh, if the community decides that, then well :) but in any case i want them to decide who gets the bonbon
[01:48] <ivoks> ajmitch: it seems so, yes :)
[01:52] <\sh> ivoks: yes
[01:55] <ivoks> \sh: and IP of ravel is? :)
[01:56] <ivoks> \sh: of FQDN
[01:56] <ivoks> \sh: s/of/or
[01:57] <\sh> Non-authoritative answer:
[01:57] <\sh> Name:   ravel.hpc2n.umu.se
[01:57] <\sh> Address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:57] <ivoks> thanx
[01:57] <\sh> i'm trying to put 2 patches into a package since this morning...and i don't find the time...
[01:58] <tepsipakki> ok, why do I get this: dpatch call -a=pkg-info 01_rename_binary
[01:58] <tepsipakki> 01_rename_binary.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument
[02:00] <tepsipakki> no one here uses dpatch?-)
[02:01] <tepsipakki> I just don't understand why "dpatch call" tries to execute the patch
[02:01] <ajmitch> because that's what 'call' means :)
[02:02] <ajmitch> each patch is meant to be executable - I got the same thing before
[02:02] <ajmitch> I don't think you need to do dpatch call
[02:02] <tepsipakki> this is straight from the manpage/documentation..
[02:02] <ajmitch> I know
[02:02] <tepsipakki> hrmh, and I thought it was necessary ;)
[02:03] <ajmitch> not afaik
[02:03] <ajmitch> at least it works for me without doing that
[02:05] <tepsipakki> yeah, seems to be so. damn you, man dpatch
[02:12] <tseng> man dpatch is cryptic imo
[02:13] <tseng> or at least less than obvious
[02:16] <tepsipakki> well, the example at least is.. I find it silly that right after dpatch apply-all should be call-all
[02:17] <tepsipakki> if call-all is supposed to apply those patches..
[02:37] <ajmitch> hi
[02:37] <Nafallo> ajmitch: any meetings today? :-)
[02:37] <ajmitch> not that I know of..
[02:38] <Nafallo> k, thanx :-)
[02:38] <ajmitch> check the meeting calendar
[02:40] <ajmitch> Amaranth: thanks for enforcing, I only saw that when it was too late :)
[02:41] <Nafallo> ajmitch: aha, those are not propagated to the ical thingie.
[02:43] <ajmitch> ok, sleep time, package finally compiled :)
[02:43] <ivoks> :)
[02:43] <Amaranth> ajmitch: what happened to smeg?
[02:44] <Amaranth> i would have figured it would be through by now, it's been almost 12 hours
[02:48] <ajmitch> Amaranth: any new package has to be manually approved
[02:48] <ajmitch> so be patient, please
[02:48] <Amaranth> ah
[02:51] <ogra> Amaranth, i mean to remember the ETA for NEW packages is 48h
[02:51] <Amaranth> ok, i can wait
[02:51] <Amaranth> was just wondering
[03:04] <dooglus> Amaranth: isn't "smeg" a little unpleasant for a package name?
[03:05] <Amaranth> dooglus: hehe
[03:05] <dooglus> Amaranth: it means "genital discharge", if memory serves
[03:05] <Amaranth> it's also british slang
[03:05] <dooglus> Amaranth: yes, for the stuff that collects on your 'bits'.
[03:06] <Amaranth> no, it has another meaning too
[03:07] <dooglus> what's that then?
[03:07] <Amaranth> generic swear word
[03:08] <dooglus> almost all swear words have their originals in sexual matters
[03:08] <Amaranth> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smeg
[03:08] <dooglus> smeg derives from smegma, "the secretion of a sebaceous gland; specifically : the cheesy sebaceous matter that collects between the glans penis and the foreskin or around the clitoris and labia minora"
[03:08] <Amaranth> it's from red dwarf
[03:08] <Amaranth> dooglus: the name is not changing
[03:09] <dooglus> Amaranth: no way is it from red dwarf.  red dward is from the 80's, but it's been in common usage since at least the 70's to my knowledge
[03:09] <Amaranth> dooglus: it started out as an acronym, the fact that it's a swear word makes it even better because that's what the fd.o menu spec and implementations of it make me want to do
[03:09] <Amaranth> dooglus: well, americans were introduced to smeg as a swear word through red dwarf
[03:11] <dooglus> Amaranth: ok.  in much the same way that austin powers taught you the word "shag"?
[03:11] <Amaranth> no, i knew that one
[03:11] <Amaranth> that was 70s lingo in the US too
[03:11] <dooglus> oh ok
[03:11] <dooglus> what's it an acronym for?
[03:11] <Amaranth> smeg?
[03:11] <dooglus> yeah
[03:11] <Amaranth> simple menu editor for gnome
[03:11] <dooglus> oh nice
[03:12] <Amaranth> it's for gnome, kde, and xfce now, so i dropped the acronym meaning
[03:12] <dooglus> "for guis"?
[03:12] <Amaranth> I might change the name before 1.0, but it would take someone coming up with an awesome name.
[03:12] <Amaranth> nice, that works ;)
[03:12] <jamessan|work> should change it to smee. simple menu editor extraordinaire  ;)
[03:13] <Amaranth> smee? why do i know that word?
[03:13] <jamessan|work> that was the name of a character in Peter Pan
[03:13] <jamessan|work> iirc
[03:13] <jamessan|work> yup
[03:13] <Amaranth> no more acronyms, it'd have to be a made up word that sounded cool and stood out
[03:13] <tepsipakki> http://www.anxietyculture.com/jokes.htm
[03:13] <Amaranth> smeg stands out and makes you look ;)
[03:14] <tepsipakki> theres your "smee" ;)
[03:14] <Amaranth> lmao
[03:15] <Amaranth> that's smegging horrible
[03:15] <Nafallo> sme ;-)
[03:15] <Nafallo> simple menu editor :-)
[03:16] <Amaranth> bleh
[03:16] <Lathiat> for Gnome
[03:16] <Amaranth> kde-applications.menu is crack, btw
[03:17] <Amaranth> more than one menu has <Name>Applications</Name>
[03:17] <Amaranth> i'm not even sure that's supposed to be valid
[03:22] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:28] <\sh> going home now :)
[03:28] <\sh> cu later
[03:33] <dooglus> what "crack" mean in that context?
[03:34] <Amaranth> dooglus: crap
[03:50] <dooglus> Amaranth: thanks.  :)
[04:30] <siretart> hi
[04:31] <siretart> I processed with package gpsdrive, it is listed in CXXLibraryList. It does not need renaming or recompilation, because the included libs are not C++
[04:31] <siretart> how to proceed next?
[04:44] <ogra> does it depend on any Cxx stuff ?
[04:46] <\sh> re
[04:48] <siretart> ogra: the package has some parts built with g++, but the to libs installed in /usr/lib are plain gcc
[04:48] <siretart> two libs
[04:49] <ogra> siretart, tag it as application in the most right field and leave it alone until we start to transition the apps
[04:50] <siretart> ogra: ok. will do
[04:51] <\sh> need a coffee and a shower :(
[04:54] <siretart> can the Replaces field hold two packages?
[04:54] <siretart> I assume yes, but havn't seen it yet
[04:56] <jdong> can someone import the latest xmess (xmame) from Sid?
[04:56] <jdong> Ubuntu's a bit behind
[04:57] <jdong> 0.88 vs 0.96
[04:57] <siretart> looking
[04:58] <siretart> jdong: is it a C++ app?
[04:58] <jdong> siretart: dunno....
[04:59] <siretart> jdong: c++ apps are restricted, because of the cxx transistion
[04:59] <jdong> siretart: I don't see any cxx files
[04:59] <jdong> siretart: all .c
[04:59] <siretart> hm
[05:00] <jdong> siretart: I grepped the entire tar archive... no CPP
[05:00] <siretart> well, rechecking, breezy already has the latest sid version
[05:00] <jdong> no cpp, cxx, hpp, hxx.....
[05:00] <siretart> 0.96-1
[05:00] <jdong> really?
[05:00] <jdong> yeah
[05:00] <jdong> nvm
[05:00] <siretart> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/xmame
[05:00] <jdong> is that a packages.ubuntu.com bug?
[05:00] <jdong> the summary listing on a search shows 0.88, but the link shows 0.96
[05:01] <jdong> anyway, I feel stupid... thanks for putting up with me :)
[05:01] <siretart> you're welcome
[05:01] <siretart> jdong: packages not touched by us are synced automatically
[05:02] <siretart> jdong: so manual intervention should only be needed when the new version FTBFS or if we touched the package in the past
[05:02] <siretart> this can be seen at the 'ubuntu' string in the version number
[05:02] <\sh> jdong: becoming a motu? :)
[05:03] <siretart> yeah! :)
[05:03] <jdong> siretart: thanks for the info; sometimes I see Breezy behind Sid, and I was unsure how that worked ;)s
[05:03] <|QuaD-> is it possible to fix the ubuntu breezy font problem not allowing gnucash to start without restarting x
[05:03] <jdong> BTW, not in the near future :)
[05:03] <mgalvin> silly question, what does FTBFS mean?
[05:03] <siretart> |QuaD-: if you have a patch which fixes the problem, yes
[05:04] <jdong> FastTrak is using BFS? ;)
[05:04] <|QuaD-> siretart: :)
[05:04] <siretart> jdong: FTBFS = fails to build from source
[05:04] <mgalvin> thnx
[05:04] <mgalvin> thnx
[05:04] <jdong> siretart: that doesn't seem to happen too often, if at all :D
[05:04] <siretart> s/jdong/mgalvin/
[05:05] <jdong> Anyone know htf Debian Sid is building Azureus???
[05:05] <jdong> Are they pulling free java out of their rears?
[05:05] <jdong> They are calling javac, which leads me to believe Sun Java... Azureus and blackdown doesn't play well
[05:05] <ogra> jdong, http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ dont say it doesnt happen often *g*
[05:05] <jdong> If we can get that in Breezy ;)
[05:05] <siretart> jdong: http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=azureus
[05:06] <jdong> siretart: nowhere close to being up to date
[05:06] <siretart> maybe someone did some binary uploads. not an option for ubuntu
[05:06] <jdong> siretart: nothing on x86
[05:06] <jdong> siretart: maybe; it is under contrib
[05:06] <jdong> Anyone know why Bittorrent 4.x.x is taking so long to get into sid?
[05:06] <siretart> jdong: because debian demands binary uploads along with source.
[05:06] <jdong> siretart: thanks for the clarification
[05:07] <siretart> jdong: package name?
[05:07] <jdong> siretart:bittorrent :)
[05:07] <Amaranth> bittorrent 4 is getting into sid?
[05:07] <Amaranth> that'll make my patches against it easier, i don't have to deal with packaging
[05:07] <jdong> Amaranth: no; I was wondering what's taking so long
[05:07] <jdong> The 3 patches don't like 4 at all
[05:08] <siretart> jdong: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298814
[05:09] <jdong> oh come on, you gotta be kidding.....
[05:09] <jdong> lol
[05:09] <jdong> are you guys as anal about non-free licensing???
[05:09] <jdong> I suppose that's similar to why bittornado rev 12 isn't in Sid???
[05:09] <siretart> jdong: well, debian has free software guidlines and a social contract
[05:10] <siretart> jdong: check the debian bts
[05:10] <jdong> the only other thing on my wishlist was Webmin....
[05:10] <jdong> the Debian maintainers told me they are "stabilizing" it for Sarge
[05:10] <jdong> I suppose that means aging.....
[05:10] <\sh> Amaranth: what patches?
[05:11] <jaldhar> jdong: its done.  the latest version (1.210) will be going into sid today
[05:11] <jdong> jaldhar: yay!
[05:11] <jdong> Breezy import?
[05:11] <jdong> lol
[05:11] <jdong> on the edge of my seat here.....
[05:11] <Amaranth> \sh: was adding things like a notification tray icon (minimize to tray), removing the 3 torrents at a time limit, and making the window not autoresize to fit torrents so it doesn't grow off the screen
[05:12] <\sh> Amaranth: u mean in the python code..
[05:12] <jdong> god xmame takes centuries to compile... it's not done yet....
[05:12] <Amaranth> \sh: yes
[05:12] <jdong> I anticipate the fun upload.....
[05:13] <\sh> Amaranth: r u interessted to build a good gui for the python bittorrent client?
[05:13] <\sh> Amaranth: I'm coding on a kde frontend ;)
[05:13] <jdong> LOL
[05:13] <jdong> GTK
[05:13] <jdong> lol
[05:13] <Amaranth> \sh: i don't do KDE, sorry
[05:13] <jdong> how about a decent g3torrent port?
[05:13] <siretart> jdong: well, go for it! :)
[05:14] <\sh> i have my ultimate project
[05:14] <jdong> siretart: I gave a good three hours of effort
[05:14] <jdong> siretart: it runs, it debianizes (roughly)....
[05:14] <jdong> siretart: it also crashes and freezes, free of charge
[05:14] <\sh> http://www.nexuiz.com/
[05:14] <jdong> well I'm off again
[05:14] <jdong> :)
[05:15] <siretart> \sh: friends of mine talked about that earlier. do you intend to package it?
[05:16] <\sh> siretart: yes
[05:16] <\sh> siretart: just for the fun of it...
[05:17] <siretart> \sh: w00t! :)
[05:17] <\sh> siretart: but psht will be a surprise ;)
[05:17] <\sh> siretart: btw...njam has good news
[05:17] <siretart> ja?
[05:17] <\sh> running archs: i386, amd64 (hoary and breezy)
[05:17] <siretart> cool
[05:18] <\sh> it's on newpackages :)
[05:18] <\sh> u can review :)
[05:18] <\sh> so we can upload it to breezy
[05:18] <\sh> and jdong can backport it ;)
[05:20] <spacey> nexuiz package?
[05:21] <spacey> can i get it somewhere?
[05:22] <\sh> spacey: it's not there...but hopefully soon
[05:22] <spacey> \sh, k :)
[05:25] <\sh> spacey: i want to try that
[05:32] <spacey> \sh, it doesn't work here out of the box ;/
[05:33] <spacey> ah well,
[05:33] <\sh> spacey: lets see :)
[05:33] <\sh> spacey: i don't know what it is anyway..saw only the screenshots and liked it
[05:34] <\sh> spacey: but u r invited to help :)
[05:36] <spacey> hey
[05:36] <spacey> ok
[05:36] <spacey> i'll look into it tomorrow
[05:36] <spacey> bbl
[05:52] <spacey> i am the sisster spacey
[05:52] <spacey> hy is to the centrum
[06:00] <\sh> grmpf
[06:28] <\sh> looks like i have to remove gnuradio 0.9 and put gnuradio 2.5 in
[06:36] <DanielN> hi
[06:45] <\sh> evening DanielN
[06:45] <DanielN> moin \sh :)
[07:03] <\sh> argl
[07:03] <\sh> /usr/include/boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp:92:7: warning: #warning "Unknown compiler version - please run the configure tests and report the results"
[07:13] <\sh> ok...lets patch it
[07:13] <\sh> it's just like a puzzle today
[07:17] <herve> weekend, my love!
[07:17] <herve> :-)
[07:18] <\sh> *looksaround* my love?
[07:19] <herve> I'm in love with the weekend itself ;-)
[07:19] <\sh> and I'm puzzeling :)
[07:20] <\sh> new version of gnuradio
[07:20] <\sh> libboost is not recognizing gcc4
[07:20] <\sh> so, patch first boost then new upload , w8ing etc.
[07:40] <herve> C++ application packags are still frozen?
[07:40] <\sh> yepp
[07:50] <herve> did you know that: gtweakui.sourceforge.net/
[07:55] <\sh> no I'm not a gnome guy ;)
[08:01] <ogra> herve, yep, thats well known, its also on gnomefiles.org
[08:16] <DanielN> \sh: you forgot one task - whats about when? ;)
[08:20] <\sh> DanielN: just now
[08:21] <DanielN> \sh: just take it easy ;)
[08:26] <\sh> grmpf..my exwife..she's nerving again
[08:33] <\sh> DanielN: when is arch all?
[08:33] <DanielN> yep
[08:34] <\sh> then put a -i behind the debhelper scripts
[08:34] <\sh> and unpatch is reverting applied patch, so patch -p1 -R < <patchfile>
[08:35] <DanielN> oke
[08:37] <DanielN> \sh: debhelper scripts: each dh_* ?
[08:37] <\sh> yeah..check man debhelper
[08:38] <DanielN> ah
[08:38] <DanielN> so i have to put -i behind _each_ dh_* part in debian/rules ?
[08:40] <\sh> yep
[08:43] <DanielN> \sh: ok thanks ..
[08:44] <DanielN> \sh: that's all to be fixed?
[08:45] <\sh> jups
[08:45] <\sh> i think so
[08:48] <DanielN> updating breezy chroot :)
[08:49] <\sh> find 2 other motus now ;)
[08:55] <DanielN> \sh: fixed (hopefully) ..
[08:55] <\sh> check page ;)
[08:55] <DanielN> \sh: you know a review friendly MOTU ?
[08:56] <DanielN> \sh: which page?
[08:56] <DanielN> ahh
[08:57] <DanielN> thanks \sh ! :)
[08:58] <DanielN> ping siretart
[09:02] <DanielN> herve: ping
[09:02] <DanielN> hihi .. i'm nerving i think ;>
[09:09] <\sh> noe
[09:24] <\sh> ok boost should be fixed to recognize gcc4 as a compiler
[09:24] <\sh> doko: ping
[09:26] <DanielN> \sh: how do you worked it out? (had same error msg by another pkg)
[09:29] <\sh> DanielN: I read the mailinglist :)
[09:29] <\sh> check the changelog :) it should be on the servers now
[09:30] <\sh> DanielN: the workaround is config/compiler/gcc.hpp to recognize gcc4 as working compiler
[09:31] <\sh> DanielN: it should work now
[09:32] <DanielN> ok
[09:32] <DanielN> thx
[09:33] <DanielN> some other MOTUs online? ;)
[09:33] <\sh> DanielN: but let me check it out first with the new version of gnuradio
[09:33] <DanielN> do what you have to do ;)
[09:49] <tseng> i wonder if ill be able to upload mono tonight
[09:49] <tseng> (main upload)
[09:49] <\sh> woot?
[09:49] <\sh> rocking :)
[09:50] <\sh> and i hope that i can do my first sourceupload :)
[09:52] <\sh> hey chris`wikiwork
[09:52] <chris`wikiwork> ;)
[09:52] <chris`wikiwork> \sh, du bist auf ubuntuusers.de garnicht so aktiv, oder?
[09:52] <\sh> chris`wikiwork: ich mag keine foren ;)
[09:53] <\sh> chris`wikiwork: und ich hab schon genug zu tun ;)
[09:53] <chris`wikiwork> ;)
[09:53] <chris`wikiwork> jo, du bist ja auch der Master des UNiversums *lach*
[09:53] <\sh> oops
[09:53] <\sh> english ;)
[09:53] <chris`wikiwork> ;)
[09:53] <chris`wikiwork> #ubuntu-de..
[09:53] <\sh> sry guys ;)
[10:07] <mgalvin> the nvidia cg toolkit installs examples and docs into /usr/local/Cg, the docs are just txt files which i guess should just be moved into /usr/share/doc/...
[10:08] <mgalvin> is there a special place where examples usually go
[10:08] <mgalvin> ?
[10:09] <mgalvin> the ex's are sample code
[10:09] <\sh>  /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/examples/
[10:09] <mgalvin> thats a good place for them ;)
[10:10] <mgalvin> thnx
[10:14] <|QuaD-> any motus bored and want to package a game ?
[10:14] <|QuaD-> http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/
[10:14] <tseng> are you bored and want to package a game?
[10:14] <tseng> its easier for someone to review your package than to create one.
[10:15] <alake> If nobody grabs it by later tonight I could take it.
[10:15] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, i'm looking at it now
[10:15] <mgalvin> hi, alake
[10:15] <metallikop> hey mgalvin
[10:15] <mgalvin> alake, did you get my email?
[10:15] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: can you walk me through how to do it? so i can learn?
[10:16] <metallikop> |QuaD-: do a google for ubuntu new maintainers guide
[10:16] <metallikop> mgalvin: which one?
[10:16] <tseng> debian?
[10:16] <|QuaD-> metallikop: ok :)
[10:16] <metallikop> yeah the debian maintainer guide :)
[10:16] <metallikop> close enough
[10:16] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, and take a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[10:16] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: ok
[10:17] <metallikop> I should be working on a new guide tonight with Jorge Castro for Ubuntu.
[10:17] <mgalvin> metallikop, about appliworks
[10:18] <metallikop> oh, yeah I got your email.  I'll package that up for you tonight
[10:19] <metallikop> Unless you just want my packages.
[10:19] <|QuaD-> i am going to try to package this :)
[10:19] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, After reading that guide, within a few short hours I was creating packages :)
[10:19] <metallikop> |QuaD-: feel free to let me know if you have any problems.
[10:20] <|QuaD-> thanks guys :)
[10:20] <mgalvin> metallikop, so you already have a package built for it?
[10:20] <metallikop> yeah, just need to do an upgrade to your latest version (which I like quite a lot by the way)
[10:22] <mgalvin> ok, i was going to package it, but since you alreay did, roll with it, I am just looking for a few to call my own, i don't want to take yours away from you
[10:22] <metallikop> hehe, no worries
[10:33] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: i am reading this guide... so far seems not too bad
[10:36] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, yup :) its pretty much driven by a makefile calling some helper apps (generally speaking)
[10:36] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: haha, well, make isn't working right now, i can't compile it (something with the source, going to try an older version)
[10:38] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, your best bet for learning is to find a package that actually works :)
[10:39] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: any suggestions of an easy one?
[10:39] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, i just finished libcwd, which I know works
[10:40] <mgalvin> try that one for practice
[10:40] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: do you have a link
[10:40] <|QuaD-> nnm found it
[10:40] <mgalvin> http://libcwd.sourceforge.net/
[10:40] <|QuaD-> yeah :)
[10:40] <mgalvin> my version is at: http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/packages/hoary/i386/libcwd/
[10:41] <|QuaD-> ok... hopefully i will know how to check it once i make it
[10:42] <|QuaD-> do i have to do a make install to make sure it installs? or is configure and make enoguh?
[10:43] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, to try it out first ./configure --prefix=/opt;make;make install
[10:43] <mgalvin> you don't want it in you "real" system for now
[10:43] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: then just remove /opt/whatever after i am done?
[10:44] <|QuaD-> "configure: error: Versions of CC and CXX do not match" gak!
[10:44] <mgalvin> |Quad-, when makeing the package, it gets built into a fakeroot by dpkg-buildpacke
[10:44] <|QuaD-> is this a c++ file?
[10:44] <mgalvin> yea, are you on breezy
[10:44] <|QuaD-> :) yup
[10:44] <mgalvin> :)
[10:44] <|QuaD-> maybe i should try a different package?
[10:44] <mgalvin> try something else :)
[10:44] <mgalvin> yea
[10:45] <\sh> ahhh...
[10:45] <|QuaD-> any OTHER suggestions?
[10:45] <\sh> gnome-chemistry-utils fix
[10:45] <mgalvin> um, gnome clipboard daemon
[10:45] <|QuaD-> is that def packageable?
[10:46] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/packages/hoary/i386/gnome-clipboard-daemon/gnome-clipboard-daemon_1.0.orig.tar.gz
[10:46] <|QuaD-> is that the source or your package
[10:47] <mgalvin> thats the original source i downloaded from upstream, you can get it here: http://members.chello.nl/~h.lai/gnome-clipboard-daemon/
[10:47] <mgalvin> too
[10:47] <|QuaD-> i will try packaging that
[10:48] <mgalvin> that one is actually probably best b/c its just a Makefile like how the guides first example is
[10:48] <mgalvin> not ./configure for this one
[10:48] <|QuaD-> so do i still do a make install?
[10:48] <mgalvin> the guide will explain everything :)
[10:49] <mgalvin> yes, that stuff is driven by the rules files
[10:49] <blahrus> any one running current breezy and have x -21 yet?
[10:49] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: ok... time for me to play
[10:49] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, good luck :)
[10:49] <|QuaD-> thanks :)
[10:50] <Amaranth> blahrus: i'm totally up-to-date in breezy
[10:50] <blahrus> hum . . . i am getting x locking up the whole system
[10:50] <blahrus> goes to a black screen
[10:50] <blahrus> and I can f1 into other terms
[10:50] <Amaranth> i have nfi how i made it work
[10:51] <Amaranth> hacks to make old versions work on top of hacks to make keysyms work on top of hacks to make fonts work etc
[10:52] <blahrus> well hitting the power button just made it go to shut down
[10:52] <blahrus> I guess that means its not fully locked up
[10:54] <Amaranth> hitting the power button always works
[10:55] <blahrus> i am getting Warning: font rendered for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[10:55] <Amaranth> oh, you mean it went through an init 1?
[10:55] <blahrus> and a few more than that
[10:55] <Amaranth> init 1 is shutdown, right?
[10:55] <blahrus> I didn't see anything it just shut down
[10:55] <blahrus> I think init 0 is
[10:56] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: what would i put for "Section"
[10:57] <|QuaD-> in the control file
[10:57] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, gnome
[10:57] <|QuaD-> ok
[10:57] <Amaranth> blahrus: then it was hard locked
[10:57] <mgalvin> |QuaD-, the sections are the sections you can see insynaptic
[10:57] <Amaranth> blahrus: power button always works, that's the mobo, not the os
[10:57] <|QuaD-> mgalvin: i use apt :)
[10:58] <blahrus> Amaranth: great . . . .
[10:59] <blahrus> any ideas on a fix
[10:59] <Amaranth> not a one
[10:59] <Amaranth> like i said, i don't know how i got mine working
[11:00] <mgalvin> l8r all, time to go home, TGIF :)
[11:10] <|QuaD-> # Add here commands to install the package into debian/gclipboardd.
[11:10] <|QuaD-> /usr/bin/make install DESTDIR=/home/derek/deb/gclipboardd-1.0/debian/gclipboardd
[11:10] <|QuaD-> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/derek/deb/gclipboardd-1.0'
[11:10] <|QuaD-> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[11:10] <|QuaD-> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/derek/deb/gclipboardd-1.0'
[11:10] <|QuaD-> make: *** [install]  Error 2
[11:10] <|QuaD-> gak
[11:12] <\sh> damn
[11:12] <\sh> i need fftw3 and this is compiled with g77
[11:12] <\sh> but not 4.0
[11:42] <\sh> re herve


[00:10] <kermit> locate|grep string
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I connect to Freenode with SASL now, but that's about it.
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> kermit: uh, a) that's redundant, b) I don't think that's what he meant.
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: grep has a recursive option.
[03:22] <Takyoji> ahh
[03:22] <Takyoji> One question that I never feel that I'm absolute complete with is: How would you define open source to a person?
[03:23] <Takyoji> absolutely complete with is*
[03:24] <kermit> refer to blue prints
[03:24] <kermit> blueprints
[03:25] <Takyoji> The example I typically use is a cookie and a cookie recipe.
[03:25] <kermit> recipe is good
[03:26] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: depends on a) who the person is, and b) how much time you have
[03:26] <Takyoji> Pretty much
[03:27] <Takyoji> Eventually I just want to make a basic diagram (but nothing too extensive at all)
[08:50] <kermit> how about.. "you know those electronics with the really weird screws noone has the right tools to unscrew?  that's the opposite of open source."
[16:12] <h00k> kermit: I suppose that's pretty accurate
[19:05] <Takyoji> I feel like such a nerd. xP
[19:05] <Takyoji> I had a dream that I had ran an installfest locally.
[19:05] <kermit> Takyoji: how about.. "you know those electronics with the really weird screws noone has the right tools to unscrew?  that's the opposite of open source."
[19:06] <Takyoji> Ooo, that's a brilliant idea
[19:06] <kermit> Takyoji: thanks
[19:06] <h00k> is MN doing anything for the upcoming Global Jam?
[19:07] <kermit> Takyoji: i like how it inspires a more emotional response, because a lot of people have actually tried to open such electronics and been frustrated
[19:07] <Takyoji> When they even go off on their own tangent away from industry standards to have their own obscure screw set, and so forth
[19:07] <Takyoji> How about the electronics with NO external screws? :P
[19:08] <Takyoji> Now those are just a ball of fun (sarcasm implied)
[19:09] <Takyoji> Where the casing is two plastic parts, and there's internal latches that hold it together
[19:09] <kermit> one could argue that's for cheap assembly though
[19:10] <mr_steve_> or plastic that's ultrasonically welded together
[19:10] <Takyoji> heheh
[19:16] <mr_steve> I've been harvesting components from old/broken electronics, and I end up using the sledgehammer to take things apart half the time
[19:17] <Takyoji> heh
[19:24] <Obsidian1723> I have a Cisco 2507 ($125) and a Catalyst 1900-24 ($50) for sale, if anyone is intererested.  ($150 for both) Local Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN only.)
[19:31] <ripps> Holy ****, my Ambiance Cold got a blog mention: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/5-ubuntu-light-inspired-gtk-themes.html
[19:34] <kermit> Obsidian1723: you forgot to spam #tclug
[19:36] <Obsidian1723> kermit, paste it for me :D
[20:37] <Obsidian1723> SCORE!! I just got 10 1U rackmount servers for free.
[20:45] <kermit> wow!   did the truck have license plates? ;)
[20:53] <Obsidian1723> heheheh
[20:53] <Obsidian1723> \cart actually.
[20:53] <Obsidian1723> Going to give them away free.
[20:58] <kermit> i'll take one!
[20:58] <Obsidian1723> what part of town ya in?
[20:59] <kermit> northeast, close to downtown
[20:59] <kermit> actually i don't know what i'd do with it...
[20:59] <Obsidian1723> I need to be downtown tonight, yah, you can have one.
[20:59] <kermit> unless its a short depth
[20:59] <kermit> er no, no 1U in a short depth
[20:59] <Obsidian1723> hieght
[21:00] <Obsidian1723> depth is maybe 1.5 - 2 feet? like a large pizza box
[21:00] <Obsidian1723> height is 1U = 1.75"
[21:00] <kermit> oh that sounds awefully short!
[21:00] <Obsidian1723> You know that Taco Bell on the corner of Cedar?
[21:01] <Obsidian1723> by Whiskey Junction, there is that Taco Bell.
[21:01] <kermit> hmm i need 16"
[21:01] <Obsidian1723> deep?
[21:01] <kermit> yeah
[21:01] <kermit> about this shape http://cgi.ebay.com/Short-Depth-2U-Rackmount-Server-Chassis-Rack-Case-NEW_W0QQitemZ370337691382QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5639d8b6f6
[21:02] <kermit> why are you giving away servers?
[21:02] <Obsidian1723> why not?
[21:02] <Obsidian1723> Not sure if they work or not, but I dont want to see them go into the heap.
[21:02] <Obsidian1723> That one in the picture is like 3U tall, but this one is the same depth
[21:03] <Obsidian1723> I didnt pay for them.
[21:03] <kermit> i'm using a pentium 133 with 64MB of ram for my fileserver, that would be a nice upgrade if i can fit 4 drives in it
[21:03] <Obsidian1723> Not in mine, no.
[21:03] <Obsidian1723> in that pictures one, perhaps.
[21:03] <Obsidian1723> like I say, if ya want one, cool. If not, cool.