[12:00] <fLoW> no cuz then i'ld have to restart, and i wanna use my 5.1 in stead of my onboard
[12:00] <fLoW> but alsa is configured with the SB! live
[12:00] <Doomhammer> don't reboot, just unplug it and plug it back in
[12:00] <fLoW> aah
[12:00] <Doomhammer> into the onboard
[12:00] <fLoW> k i'll give that a shot
[12:00] <Doomhammer> if you still don't get any sound, make sure the volume is turned up and the speakers have power ;)
[12:01] <Doomhammer> other than that it's probobly a configuration issue
[12:02] <fLoW> well, its a config issue :p
[12:02] <Doomhammer> :P
[12:02] <Doomhammer> in that case, don't ask me -- i've never configured that kind of thing manually
[12:02] <Doomhammer> Ubuntu set up mine automatically :D
[12:02] <searcher`> same here
[12:02] <searcher`> worked out of the box
[12:02] <searcher`> so to speak
[12:02] <Doomhammer> so i just ran "apt-get install ssh"
[12:03] <Doomhammer> will the SSH daemon run every time i start up Ubuntu?
[12:03] <kebac> wtf... does user have to be in 'audio' group to hear any sound? :P
[12:03] <Fazer> isn't ssh installed by default?
[12:03] <mdke> kebac, yes
[12:03] <Doomhammer> kebac: yes
[12:03] <kebac> where's the point :PP
[12:03] <Doomhammer> Fazer: i'm not sure... if it wasn't, it is now :D
[12:03] <mdke> kebac, there is a good reason
[12:03] <Fazer> hehe
[12:03] <mdke> kebac, many administrators might not want users to hear sound
[12:04] <kebac> mdke: right... wouldnt it be as good to disable access to /dev/dsp for some groups and enable for some?
[12:04] <mdke> Doomhammer, you can probably use rc-update to add sshd to your boot startup
[12:04] <mdke> kebac, not as easy
[12:05] <Doomhammer> bash: rc-update: command not found
[12:05] <Doomhammer> already tried that ;)
[12:05] <kebac> is this audio group policy in every linux or just ubuntu?
[12:05] <mdke> as root?
[12:05] <mdke> kebac, i use gentoo and that uses the same policy
[12:05] <Doomhammer> yes as root
[12:05] <Doomhammer> but i believe it's already run automatically -- i'll test that theory later
[12:05] <kebac> mdke: ok
[12:05] <kebac> never heard of this kind of thing
[12:05] <Doomhammer> now, how do I statically set my IP rather than use DHCP?
[12:06] <mdke> Doomhammer, check the /etc/rc directories
[12:06] <Fazer> Damn, this song has gotten me hooked: Breaking Benjamin - So Cold
[12:06] <mdke> Doomhammer, they show your bootup scripts
[12:06] <mdke> Doomhammer, default runlevel is 2
[12:07] <sjoerd> Doomhammer: did you install the ssh server ?
[12:07] <sjoerd> Doomhammer: by default only the client is installed iirc
[12:07] <mdke> Doomhammer, your ip stuff is in /etc/network/interfaces iirc
[12:08] <Doomhammer> sjoerd: yes i installed sshd
[12:08] <mdke> i'm gone
[12:08] <mdke> laters all
[12:09] <sjoerd> Doomhammer: should run automagically then
[12:09] <Doomhammer> ok
[12:09] <qazix> anyone know how I can restore my KDE menus after a dist-upgrade from Debian unstable? Some apps are missing, such as Kate; the Editors category contains only AbiWord and KVim when I have Kate, KWrite, gedit, etc.
[12:09] <Doomhammer> so now how do I statically set my IP instead of using DHCP?
[12:09] <qazix> though the Debian menu still has everything, but it's buried under multiple menu levels
[12:11] <woahh> Doomhammer, if you are going to set the ip, you need to set the domain name servers too.
[12:12] <Doomhammer> eh?
[12:12] <Doomhammer> i was just going to use /etc/hosts for name resolution
[12:12] <Doomhammer> it's only for my LAN, and there are only three computer on the LAN
[12:12] <Doomhammer> no reason to set up a DNS server and everythin else
[12:13] <poningru> so the warty 4.10 does include the 2.6 kernel?
[12:13] <Doomhammer> i don't think so
[12:13] <Doomhammer> i think it uses 2.4 still
[12:14] <poningru> where can I get one with the 2.6
[12:14] <woahh> Doom: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap9sec96.html
[12:15] <woahh> poningru, yes, kernel 2.6.
[12:16] <siretart> poningru: warty uses 2.6, 2.4 is not supported
[12:16] <siretart> well, it works with 2.4, but 2.4 breaks some things..
[12:18] <StolenShoeBox> Can anyone help me get my webcam to work with Ubuntu?
[12:18] <poningru> well the install cd I downloaded contained 2.4
[12:18] <poningru> how is that possible?
[12:19] <linux_galore> hai
[12:20] <woahh> poningru, i'm not sure.. all the ubuntu installations of mine have been with kernel 2.6 from the beggining. I first installed it a little before the warty release
[12:20] <pd5rm> is it the livecd or the actual system install?
[12:20] <poningru> the actuall install
[12:20] <Cervantes_> whoa hold on, backtrack.  warty 4.10 does include the 2.6 kernal, from my experience
[12:21] <pd5rm> yeah, that's weird. it's 2.6
[12:21] <Cervantes_> poningru & Doomhammer ^^
[12:21] <poningru> the thing is I have heard 2.4 has some probes with the ACPI of some laptops while the 2.6 fixed those
[12:21] <poningru> now my install hangs when it tries install the ACPI
[12:22] <woahh> poningru, could you show us the result of this command on your ubuntu? uname -a
[12:22] <x66221> QUESTION for someone:  when I boot up, it get's to "Starting Ubuntu..." and then pauses about 10-15 seconds, then says "hde: timeout waiting for DMA" then repeats the delay and the "hde: ..." message about FOUR times (wasting about 2 minutes) before it continues with uneventful boot; what can I do to stop this unnecessary boot delay?
[12:23] <pd5rm> maybe there's a kernel flag that disable dma on your hd, when it boots up check hdparm <dev> to see if dma is enabled...
[12:24] <poningru> woahh: I cant install it fully the install hangs in the middle and I have to kill it through power switch
[12:24] <poningru> let me try the install again
[12:24] <x66221> pd5rm, thanks for reply; i'm newbie, how do I check hdparm?
[12:25] <pd5rm> poningru: you need to disable acpi then, try setting the noapic flag
[12:25] <pd5rm> i thinkgs that's the flag
[12:26] <pd5rm> x66221: after you're booted up, type hdparm </dev/XYZ> where XYZ is you actual hd, it should dump some info
[12:26] <poningru> let me try the install again if it still hangs then I will try without the ACPI because I really want the laptop power options
[12:27] <confrey> hi to everybody
[12:27] <poningru> brb
[12:27] <MyKq3> does some know how can i run the network connction wizard  ?
[12:27] <pd5rm> poningru: yah, pretty much ignore what i said about the noapic flag, that's completely different from ACPI! ;-)
[12:27] <eurotrash> could anyone help me with an install problem?
[12:28] <confrey> MyKq3, you don't need ti run it, edit the interfaces file, it's more simple
[12:28] <MyKq3> eurotrash,  yeah ask
[12:28] <eurotrash> it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:28] <x66221> pd5rm: sudo hdparm /dev/hde returns 9 lines of info; one of them says "using_dma = 0 (off)"
[12:28] <MyKq3> confrey,  i have checked it and its alriught
[12:29] <eurotrash> I can't even get to the choice of installation expert and so forth
[12:29] <MyKq3> confrey,  i want to run the wizard again
[12:29] <gorby> i used to use amarok b4, what a good gnome alternative?
[12:29] <confrey> MyKq3, so, what do you need about?
[12:29] <MyKq3> confrey, the command that do that
[12:29] <eurotrash> any ideas?
[12:29] <MyKq3> i don't find it
[12:30] <confrey> MyKq3, you don't need to run it again, wha't  your problem?
[12:31] <MyKq3> but i want to
[12:31] <MyKq3> confrey,  i want to enter a gateway
[12:32] <node> ifconfig add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[12:32] <eurotrash> anyone have the problem of the install won't get to the installation screen?
[12:33] <MyKq3> node,  thanks i m off to do that
[12:34] <gorby> what is a cool audio player like juk or amarok for gnome?
[12:34] <eurotrash> could anyone please help me....
[12:35] <eurotrash> when I go to reboot and let the cd install,  it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:35] <eurotrash> any ideas?
[12:35] <node> tried google ?
[12:36] <eurotrash> does anyone know what I'm talkinga about?
[12:37] <eurotrash> could anyone give me some advice on this...
[12:38] <eurotrash> when I go to reboot and let the cd install,  it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:38] <x66221> == can someone help me with the following problem? == 1	QUESTION for someone: when I boot up, it get's to "Starting Ubuntu..." and then pauses about 10-15 seconds, then says "hde: timeout waiting for DMA" then repeats the delay and the "hde: ..." message about FOUR times (wasting about 2 minutes) before it continues with uneventful boot; what can I do to stop this unnecessary boot delay?
[12:39] <eurotrash> good luck getting an answer...
[12:39] <eurotrash> I've been trying for 10 min
[12:40] <gorby> x66221: is that the partition u r booting from?
[12:41] <gorby> or installing to?
[12:42] <qazix> Anyone know how I can restore my KDE menus after a dist-upgrade from Debian unstable? For example, the 'Editors' category contains only AbiWord and KVim when I also have Kate, KWrite, gedit, etc.
[12:43] <x66221> gorby: sorry, I was away a moment...YES, that is my boot partition
[12:46] <pd5rm> x66221: so that means for some reason, dma is not checked on, is this a really new hard or sata or something.
[12:46] <pd5rm> x66221:  you might want to grab dmesg | grep hd and send that info over.
[12:46] <x66221> pd5rm, ok
[12:47] <eurotrash> could anyone help with an install issue?
[12:47] <eurotrash> when I go to reboot and let the cd install,  it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:47] <node> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=ESR+value+before+enabling+vector&btnG=Google+zoeken&lr=
[12:48] <confrey> how can I have
[12:48] <confrey> how can I obtain Debian menu in gnome menu?
[12:49] <x66221_> pd5rm: OK, this is what dmesg | grep hde outputs (hde is my primary boot disk ... it is not new, it's a couple years old)
[12:49] <x66221_>     ide2: BM-DMA at 0xd400-0xd407, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: IC35L040AVVA07-0, ATA DISK drive
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: max request size: 128KiB
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 80418240 sectors (41174 MB) w/1863KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100)
[12:49] <x66221_>  /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0:<4>hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <x66221_>  p1 p2 <<4>hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <node> oh look mom...flood!
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <x66221_> EXT3-fs: hde1: orphan cleanup on readonly fs
[12:49] <x66221_> EXT3-fs: hde1: 1 orphan inode deleted
[12:50] <x66221_> Adding 499928k swap on /dev/hde5.  Priority:-1 extents:1
[12:50] <x66221_> EXT3 FS on hde1, internal journal
[12:51] <linux_galore> wish people would just put it in a text file and dump it on a web server
[12:51] <nde> :)
[12:51] <linux_galore> or email a list
[12:51] <pd5rm> hmm.
[12:52] <pd5rm> x66221: obviously, there's some problem with the dma detection or the hd may be going bad.
[12:52] <nde> in #perl thaey have a nice pastebot
[12:53] <linux_galore> could be the motherboard is hard jumper ed to set the dma and this is causing a conflict in Linux
[12:54] <eurotrash> anyone know how to get rid of this kernel error?   securityorg.net
[12:54] <eurotrash> doh
[12:54] <eurotrash> this
[12:54] <eurotrash> ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002
[12:54] <dcarr> Having trouble setting up Flash and a soundblaster 16.  Help?
[12:55] <nde> eurotrash,
[12:55] <nde> google.
[12:55] <linux_galore> flash is easy just run the shell installer and point it to the root directory of the browser
[12:56] <eurotrash> yeah, I checked, but i have no clue as to what to do
[12:56] <eurotrash> I don't even have a running linux on my system...I"m just now starting out
[12:56] <pd5rm> x66221: crap. is is an IBM drive?
[12:56] <confrey> how can I obtain Debian menu in gnome menu?
[12:56] <dcarr> linux_galore: Presumably for the latest greatest flash?
[12:56] <linux_galore> dcarr: yes
[12:57] <eurotrash> all I get is code, and since i don't have linux yet, I don't know how to fix it
[12:57] <cardador> gonna try ubuntu on a 166 celeron. wish me luck :)
[12:58] <eurotrash> nde: any ideas?  I keep getting the problem on google, but not the solution
[12:58] <nde> no, sorry
[12:58] <linux_galore> dcarr: the flash installer will ask for a directory the browser is in........in my cae I download the enw ver of firefox and installed it in my ~/ directory so I just said  /home/user_name/firefox/
[12:58] <linux_galore> case*
[12:58] <nde> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox is default.
[12:59] <eurotrash> damn..
[12:59] <nde> or use the backport to install frefox 1.0
[12:59] <nde> that can update itself
[12:59] <eurotrash> me?
[01:00] <nde> no
[01:00] <nde> :)
[01:00] <eurotrash> didn't think so...lol
[01:00] <linux_galore> has firefox 1.1cvs
[01:00] <nde> unstable :)
[01:00] <linux_galore> works fine
[01:01] <nde> no doubt
[01:01] <linux_galore> doesnt have a security bug that 1.0 has
[01:03] <linux_galore> Ive noticed firefox is actaully getting really good at rendering web pages that just a few months ago looked totally sucky...even renders some IE only sites better than IE Im finding
[01:03] <nde> fonts u mean ?
[01:03] <linux_galore> no frames and images auto-resize better and fonts look good , better spacing between lines
[01:04] <nde> ok
[01:04] <linux_galore> I often find IE doesnt put enough space between lines
[01:04] <nde> after i did this 'http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4456&highlight=fonts' my fonts were so much better
[01:06] <linux_galore> aaah Ive got KDE installed so I can do that from kcontrol
[01:07] <nde> ok
[01:07] <x66221> pd5rm: yes, it's an IBM drive.  Is that bad?
[01:08] <pd5rm> x66221: IBM drives have a habit of dying all of a sudden.
[01:09] <x66221> pd5rm: ok, thanks
[01:09] <pd5rm> x66221: if it's making any funky noises, i would backup my data real quick and get a new hard drive.
[01:09] <linux_galore> nde: I checked my .fonts.conf  file and the only line different is this one
[01:09] <linux_galore> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign">
[01:10] <linux_galore> nde: from that text file
[01:11] <crimsun> Fazer: yes?
[01:11] <linux_galore> nde: my fonts look great though
[01:11] <nde> set hinting at full
[01:11] <nde> i was amazed :)
[01:11] <nde> some tiny fonts appeared to be a little fat on the ends
[01:11] <nde> they are great now
[01:20] <splatta> ubuntu faster than mdk 10.1?
[01:20] <Davidcc6_> hi ppl, i burn all my .deb of /var/cache/apt/archives into a cdrom, now i need install all that in my new linux, how can i use apt-get for that??
[01:24] <dcarr> splatta: *watches his wife's comp, then watches his* Inconclusive.
[01:24] <splatta> mmm
[01:25] <jivera> Hm... printer's acting weird under Ubuntu...
[01:25] <splatta> whens the next official ubuntu verson due out ?
[01:25] <jivera> splatta: April.
[01:25] <dcarr> Help on setting up a Soundblaster 16?
[01:26] <scoon> dcarr, maybe.  what seems to be the problem.
[01:27] <dcarr> The system doesn't seem to be seeing the soundcard at all.   An attempt with 'modprobe sb' (which worked in Mdk 10.0) says "no such device) or somesuch.
[01:27] <dcarr> *device"
[01:28] <crimsun> dcarr: 'sb' is the OSS/Free kernel module. Ubuntu uses ALSA, which replaces OSS/Free.
[01:28] <Davidcc6_> mata de gonorreas
[01:28] <crimsun> dcarr: paste onto pastebin.com the output of `lspnp'
[01:28] <dcarr> Having my wife do that, be a couple of minutes.
[01:29] <dcarr> Note, this is the wife's box.
[01:29] <dcarr> "lspnp: command not found"
[01:30] <dcarr> =O.o=
[01:30] <jivera> Are there any filesystems that are supported by both windows and linux, can store files over 4gb, and is well suited to a 130gb partition?
[01:30] <linux_galore> dcarr: with mandrake you use draksound anyway
[01:30] <dcarr> True, but she's just installed ubuntu.
[01:30] <linux_galore> to config the sound card
[01:31] <crimsun> jivera: ext2
[01:31] <jivera> crimsun: Does windows support ext2?
[01:31] <dcarr> The wife points out by the way that this is probably not a pnp card, so even if we had lspnp, it wouldn't work.
[01:31] <crimsun> jivera: with an external driver, yes.
[01:32] <crimsun> dcarr: dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii
[01:32] <jivera> crimsun: Is it stable/reliable?
[01:32] <crimsun> jivera: afaik, yes.
[01:32] <DirtDawg> Hey, I just downloaded and installed Ubuntu PPC last night...and I LOVE IT!!!!
[01:32] <linux_galore> dcarr: check the jumpers on the sound card make sure it not set to auto-select the irq
[01:32] <jivera> DirtDawg: Wait until you install it! :)
[01:33] <DirtDawg> hehe. I did already
[01:33] <dcarr> pcmcia?!
[01:33] <crimsun> dcarr: that's the package it's in, but if the card's not pnp, it's not a big deal
[01:33] <DirtDawg> I have heard installing Debian packages is much easier than RPMs. Is this because there won't be any missing libraries?
[01:33] <crimsun> dcarr: do you have any additional information regarding the card itself?
[01:34] <dcarr> It's a soundblaster 16, no other info available.
[01:34] <dcarr> "No packages found matching pcmcia-cs"
[01:34] <crimsun> DirtDawg: not really. You can still run into the same dependency hell if you attempt to install packages manually with dpkg.
[01:34] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I found rpm+package manager or .deb + package manager are pretty much the same
[01:34] <DirtDawg> crimsun I see.
[01:35] <crimsun> DirtDawg: on the whole, however, Debian's and Ubuntu's repositories have huge selections of software, and simple installation commands pull in dependencies transparently and install them when needed
[01:35] <jivera> DirtDawg: The main advantage of Debian is that the apt archive is mostly self contained; you make fewer ventures to rpmfind.net or similar.
[01:35] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: you should really use a package manager for either .deb or rpm it will reduce the hassles
[01:35] <crimsun> DirtDawg: same with package removal
[01:35] <DirtDawg> will normal Debs install on my ppc, or do I need to find ppc versions of the debs?
[01:35] <linux_galore> jivera: I never use rpmfind with Mandrake
[01:36] <jivera> DirtDawg: Ubuntu has their own versions of all the debian packages (AFAIK), but if you need external apt archives you'll probably have to find ppc specific ones.
[01:36] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Having used only Mandrake and Yellow dog, I have yet to have a successfull install. But after playing with Ubuntu, I have high hopes
[01:36] <crimsun> DirtDawg: if the debs are binary (and thus arch-) specific, then you'll need ppc-specific versions -- which implies that yes, you will retrieve them from Ubuntu's repo.
[01:36] <jivera> linux_galore: Well, google or whatever then...
[01:36] <crimsun> dcarr: surely there's _some_ info more?
[01:36] <DirtDawg> awsome. I'm excited to play with new software. Thanks people.
[01:37] <dcarr> crimsun: Not sure.  What kind of info are you looking for?
[01:37] <dcarr> crimsun: The only other info I have is that it's an ISA card sitting in some IBM Aptiva with a K^/2 400 chip.
[01:37] <linux_galore> jivera: no Mandrake has a bucket load of pre made binaries (over 55,000 of them).....just add a few servers to urpmi and you never look for libs
[01:37] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: My Linux Box isn't connected to the net.
[01:38] <DirtDawg> makes it tough
[01:39] <crimsun> dcarr: please paste to pastebin.com the output of `lsmod'
[01:39] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I would answer that silly question but I would then cause conflict in the room
[01:39] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: lol. I understand. I'm pretty new at all this.
[01:39] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: what would hold more data 4 CD's or 1
[01:40] <dcarr> Instruction passed, working.
[01:40] <oak> 1 dvd
[01:40] <linux_galore> lol
[01:40] <linux_galore> yeah when is ubuntu making a DVD...1 CD is too small
[01:41] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: A few days ago, I would've said $ no problem, but since Mandrake 10.1 used 3 for install and never worked, versus Ubuntu's single disk that runs like a champ, I'm not so sure anymore. :)
[01:41] <dcarr> linux_galore: That's what network install is for. =^_^=
[01:41] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I have 4 CD's for mandrake not 3
[01:41] <linux_galore> dcarr: yeah 20 machines all sucking away at a 256k connection
[01:43] <dcarr> linux_galore: Aha.
[01:43] <dcarr> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.com/193770
[01:44] <linux_galore> not knocking a network install Ive had to do a few in Debian but its nice to have a DVD with just about everything on it
[01:44] <dcarr> linux_galore: Well said that.
[01:44] <crimsun> dcarr: well the first problem I see is that some OSS/Free modules are loaded. They need to be removed. `sudo modprobe -r sb_lib uart401 sound'
[01:44] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Well I'm using ppc, so there's never as much support, thus less software, I think
[01:45] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I have Ubuntu on my iBook
[01:45] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: bit hacky but I got it working
[01:45] <dcarr> crimsun: ok, sent that.
[01:45] <dcarr> uart401... that's for the midi processor isn't it?
[01:46] <linux_galore> dcarr: disable uart and on board in the bios if its there too
[01:46] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Really, I can't tell you how amazed I've been with the distro. I've been fighting with Mandrake and Yellow Dawg for a week now. Only problem is no sound when I insert CD's, but the other distros never supported my speakers anyway, so I figure it's a bonus!
[01:46] <sobralense> does the k3b make bootable cd's ?
[01:47] <dcarr> linux_galore: presumably a jumper on the board.  I'll pass that along.
[01:47] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Do you know where I could find some Debian ppc software packages for download? Or Ubuntu packages or whatever?
[01:47] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: sound worked fine...worked even better when I installed kde....add the Baghira OSX theme to kde and my desktop looks and works like OSX
[01:48] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: I didn't even think about installing KDE. That's a great idea
[01:48] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I use a local debian ftp mirror on my isp
[01:49] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Where's can I find your isp?
[01:49] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: yeah people see my iBook and see the KDE/OSX desktop and go oooh OSX looks nice........I go yes it does and leave it there lol
[01:49] <dcarr> crimsun: What next?
[01:49] <DirtDawg> linux_galore:Since I'm not entirely sure what that is :)
[01:49] <crimsun> dcarr: this is where I need more information from the actual card itself
[01:49] <DirtDawg> linux_Galore: lol
[01:50] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: hold on got a pic of baghira in action
[01:50] <crimsun> dcarr: DMA1 & DMA2, IRQ, I/O, etc.
[01:50] <dcarr> crimsun: She's gonna power down the box, I'll look at the card.
[01:54] <linux_galore> heres Baghira theme on KDE ..........not my screen shot but I have the transparency patch and the same theme ->http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16114&file1=16114-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=kwin3.3+xcompmgr+transparentransl
[01:55] <jivera> Anyone know how to get an Orinoco Silver USB 802.11b card to work under Ubuntu?
[01:55] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: people think its OSX....pretty funny Ive given up telling them its Ubuntu Linux
[01:56] <DirtDawg> lol. Looks nice. You can spot the Linux icons in the upper right. I suppose many people wouldn't recognize or notice those
[01:57] <DirtDawg> I'm running on a g3, so the fancy GUIs are pretty slow. Gnome seems pretty fast so far
[01:57] <dcarr> crimsun: There's nothing conclusive about the sound card.  Much for the onboard IDE stuff, but that's it.
[01:57] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: no people see the little round icons at the top and go oooh OSX...helps that its running on an iBook
[01:58] <DirtDawg> lol
[01:58] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: gnome has some nice OSX themes
[01:58] <DirtDawg> it does?
[01:58] <DirtDawg> I haven't even explored this stuff yet
[01:58] <crimsun> dcarr: ok, then you're better off using the standard, default values
[01:58] <linux_galore> yeah on the gnome home page goto the theme section
[01:58] <dcarr> crimsun: Likely, yes.
[01:59] <dcarr> What is shpchp?
[01:59] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: then just install the theme from the theme menu and bingo your desktop is all osx'ish
[01:59] <crimsun> hot pluggable pci driver, dcarr
[02:00] <dcarr> Ah.
[02:00] <treed> Recommendation for an app that'll allow me to chop bits out of mp3/vorbis/flac files?
[02:00] <DirtDawg> hmm. I may be retarded. It says nothings been added yet when I click on "Desktop THemes"
[02:00] <crimsun> dcarr: if you're concerned about those two FATAL: messages when you boot, ignore them. You simply don't have the hardware.
[02:01] <crimsun> treed: audacity
[02:01] <treed> crimsun, thanks
[02:01] <crimsun> np
[02:01] <linux_galore> treed: look on http://www.freshmeat.net  there are a few audio editors for Linux now
[02:01] <treed> I wanted a recommendation, not just some random audio editor.
[02:01] <treed> If I wanted a random editor, apt-cache search would have done as well.
[02:02] <linux_galore> treed: sorry your lordship of the spoon feeding
[02:02] <treed> Heh.
[02:02] <errr> how is reccomenindg a good product spoon feeding?
[02:02] <treed> Crimsun didn't have a problem with a simple recommendation.
[02:03] <linux_galore> what one may think is good another would say it sux...I prefere to check myself
[02:03] <treed> I should probably report this pinfo bug.
[02:03] <treed> I find I have better luck starting with thing thought good.
[02:03] <treed> things
[02:05] <peejei> hello i hav a problem with pppoe connection i cant connect to the internet
[02:06] <DirtDawg> thanks fo all, guys. See you around. I gotta go.
[02:07] <peejei> where are u guys?
[02:07] <crimsun> dcarr: ok. Has she rebooted?
[02:07] <crimsun> dcarr: if so, what's the output of `lsmod|grep ^sb'?
[02:08] <techn9ne> peejei, i dont know try asking in forums
[02:08] <dcarr> She hasn't loaded the card up into it yet, she's experimenting with the onboard sound.
[02:08] <peejei> ok
[02:08] <techn9ne> is pppoe dialup or something?
[02:08] <dcarr> crimsun: This is of note because, historically, it hasn't worked under Mandrake, but there's a slight chance it'll work here.
[02:08] <dcarr> techn9ne: PPPoE is PPP over Ethernet.  Not dialup.
[02:08] <dcarr> techn9ne: PPPoE is common amongst many DSL providers.
[02:08] <crimsun> dcarr: err, what's the onboard sound?
[02:09] <techn9ne> oh ok
[02:09] <techn9ne> learn something new everyday
[02:09] <dcarr> crimsun: dunno.  Nothing is seen by alsa, and lspci turns up nothing on it either.
[02:09] <dcarr> I don't think we've ever turned it off in bios.
[02:10] <crimsun> dcarr: do you know who manufactures the onboard sound?
[02:11] <crimsun> dcarr: alternately, the manufacturer and make of the motherboard
[02:11] <dcarr> I can get the mfr/make of mobo right now, stand by.
[02:14] <qazix> Anyone know how I can restore my KDE menus after a dist-upgrade from Debian unstable? For example, the 'Editors' category contains only AbiWord and KVim when I also have Kate, KWrite, gedit, etc.
[02:16] <jmob> qazix: ugh, sounds like a painfil upgrade, why didn't you just do a fresh install?
[02:16] <nevyn> kde-menus are not debian standard menus
[02:16] <nevyn> it's most annoying
[02:16] <nevyn> there is a debian standard menu availible in kde.
[02:17] <qazix> jmhodges: well, I had actually intended to just use ubuntu xorg, but its better performance compared to Debian's xfree86 made me decide to go all the way.
[02:17] <dcarr> crimsun: Can't find a manufacturer.  Intel chipset, but that's unhelpful.  I'm having her reboot and go into bios to see if she can find something.
[02:17] <qazix> nevyn: indeed, and the debian menu still has everything... I'd like to repopulate KDE's own menus, though
[02:17] <qazix> not really that important if I can't, just annoying
[02:18] <crimsun> dcarr: what cpu is in it?
[02:18] <crimsun> dcarr: I just need an idea of how old the mobo is
[02:18] <dcarr> A P2 or a Celeron of some sort.
[02:18] <dcarr> It's an IBM Aptiva, so mid-late 1990s.
[02:19] <dcarr> Slot 1 chip at anyrate.
[02:19] <crimsun> hmm.
[02:19] <dcarr> I might have more info in a minute.
[02:19] <crimsun> should be young enough for ac'97
[02:19] <nevyn> quazion_: try update-menu
[02:19] <dcarr> You know, I think we were using ac97 on mdk.
[02:20] <qazix> nevyn: update-menus didn't fix it
[02:20] <nevyn> quazion_: :(
[02:21] <dcarr> crimsun: P2 350.
[02:21] <nevyn> qazix: you could use kmenuedit and fix it to do what you want.
[02:21] <dcarr> crimsun: Bios date Oct1998.
[02:21] <nevyn> I thought they were munging it in their menu-method tho
[02:21] <qazix> nevyn: that'd take a while probably... although it looks like only Editors is missing stuff perhaps
[02:22] <qazix> (well, a significant amount of apps)
[02:22] <qazix> nevyn: I'll look into it more another time; thanks for trying to help, though :)
[02:22] <crimsun> qazix: dpkg -l gnome-menus menu menu-xdg|grep ^ii
[02:23] <qazix> crimsun: gnome-menus, menu, menu-xdg
[02:23] <qazix> all installed
[02:23] <crimsun> 2.9.3-0ubuntu1, 2.1.20, 0.2?
[02:23] <qazix> yep
[02:24] <crimsun> qazix: you might need to kill the gnome caching daemon(s)
[02:24] <qazix> crimsun: I'm using KDE, not GNOME :)
[02:24] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know if I do a new installation of Windows XP Professional, will it leave Ubuntu untouched? And, will it keep my Windows XP partition as FAT32?
[02:25] <crimsun> qazix: doesn't matter.
[02:26] <qazix> crimsun: how do I kill that daemon, then? I have gnome-settings-daemon running but nothing else matches gnome in ps auxw
[02:26] <crimsun> funny how that's precisely the one you need to kill.
[02:26] <qazix> heh
[02:27] <crimsun> (and probably restart manually, too, since you're using kde)
[02:27] <dcarr> crimsun: We've rebooted, and can't locate the onboard sound anyway.  The SB!6 is back on the board.  Where were we?...
[02:28] <dcarr> oops... s/!6/16/
[02:28] <crimsun> dcarr: ensure no OSS/Free kernel modules are loaded. The output of `lsmod' should not show sound [soundcore is fine and necessary] , sb16*, etc.
[02:29] <Quest-Master> ack
[02:30] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  it will ruin your ubuntu install
[02:30] <zenrox> it will over write the mbr
[02:31] <Quest-Master> I know it will overwrite the MBR
[02:31] <Quest-Master> Remove GRUB and such
[02:31] <Quest-Master> I've heard though the Ubuntu partition will remain
[02:32] <zenrox> as long as you install it to a deferent partion and format it fat32
[02:32] <zenrox> wont ruin ang thang else
[02:32] <qazix> crimsun: didn't work... KDE doesn't use the standard menu system though, apparently (no KDE packages provides something for /etc/menu-methods)
[02:32] <Quest-Master> I can do that during the install?
[02:32] <crimsun> qazix: you're using hoary, correct?
[02:32] <zenrox> ya
[02:32] <qazix> crimsun: yep
[02:33] <crimsun> qazix: cos the menu items show up fine on my system
[02:33] <Quest-Master> Correction: I can both install it to another partition AND format it as FAT32 during the install?
[02:33] <qazix> crimsun: could be due to my dist-upgrade from Debian, then
[02:33] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  yess
[02:33] <julius_trop> what is the difference between hoary and warty?
[02:33] <crimsun> qazix: ...no, because my system is sid+experimental+hoary pinned to sid.
[02:33] <crimsun> qazix: so I straddle both worlds
[02:33] <zenrox> julius_trop, hoary is the devel ver tahre for unstable
[02:34] <zenrox> julius_trop,  werty is the curent stable releace
[02:34] <julius_trop> oh i see
[02:34] <Quest-Master> Woot.
[02:34] <Quest-Master> Now, to back up all of this stuff.
[02:34] <qazix> crimsun: well, I just need to figure out how to force kde to repop the menus
[02:35] <techn9ne> does kde work well w/ ubuntu?
[02:35] <crimsun> techn9ne: certainly.
[02:35] <techn9ne> i got a friend who is on windows
[02:35] <techn9ne> and i think kde would be an easier move
[02:35] <qazix> it seems to
[02:35] <julius_trop> I have my mom in ubuntu now they love it very user friendly
[02:35] <techn9ne> i was thinking suse but suse is a pain to do certain things
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Suse is horrific
[02:36] <crimsun> dcarr: let me know when you've done that
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Installing individual software is hell at once
[02:36] <techn9ne> Quest-Master, thats going way too far
[02:36] <dcarr> crimsun: Will do.  Trying to get in with vnc, but she's using dvorak... =O.o=
[02:36] <techn9ne> I used suse 9.2 and i thought it was great
[02:36] <Riddell> techn9ne: yes, KDE works well
[02:36] <techn9ne> I thought ubuntu was a bit better for me though
[02:36] <crimsun> dcarr: dvorak saved my life
[02:36] <qazix> crimsun: do you have anything that looks like a kde menu population script in /etc/menu-methods/ ?
[02:36] <crimsun> well, not really, but it certainly has assuaged much wrist pain
[02:37] <dcarr> crimsun: heh =^^=
[02:37] <dcarr> 'lsmod|grep ^sb' returns nothing.
[02:37] <crimsun> qazix: nope
[02:37] <qazix> crimsun: feh, guess I'll have to figure out how kde does it then
[02:38] <techn9ne> i thought suse ws a lot better than redhat though
[02:38] <techn9ne> i have rhel on my server... i hate it
[02:38] <dcarr> crimsun: I see no sound here.
[02:39] <crimsun> qazix: take a look at /etc/menu-methods/xdg-desktop-entry-spec-apps and ask calc, he wrote it.
[02:40] <qazix> ok
[02:41] <crimsun> dcarr: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 index=0 isapnp=0
[02:41] <keknehv> Can you install either a bitmap (.fon) or truetype (.ttf) font file into linux, and, if so, how?
[02:42] <techn9ne> keknehv, yes not sure how htough
[02:42] <crimsun> keknehv: fonts://
[02:42] <crimsun> (in nautilus)
[02:43] <techn9ne> should have that in the menu
[02:43] <techn9ne> most ppl wouldnt know to do that
[02:44] <keknehv> Thanks
[02:45] <crimsun> dcarr: what did that modprobe command return?
[02:45] <dcarr> crimsun: Nothing.  It should work accordingly - she'll test it.
[02:46] <crimsun> dcarr:`cat /proc/asound/cards' first
[02:47] <dcarr> Found it.  0x220, IRQ 5, DMA 1&5. We have a heartbeat. =^_^=
[02:48] <crimsun> good.
[02:48] <crimsun> use Applications>Sound & Video>Volume Control to unmute the channels
[02:48] <crimsun> adjust, etc.
[02:48] <crimsun> [or you can use alsamixer directly]
[02:49] <dcarr> I think she has it from here, but let's give it a whirl.
[02:49] <dcarr> Of course, her favorite test facility is the BBC. =^^=
[02:49] <crimsun> she'll need to do one more thing.
[02:49] <dcarr> Whazzat?
[02:50] <crimsun> echo "options snd-sb16 index=0 isapnp=0" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/snd-sb16
[02:50] <crimsun> actually, one more after that:
[02:51] <crimsun> echo snd-sb16 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[02:53] <spikeb> it'd be nice if the ppc version actually had a halfway decent keyboard setup by default
[02:54] <techn9ne> is it possible for evolution to import from thunderbird?
[02:54] <empe> Hey all..trying to compile amarok. It wants x includes. Is there such a package or do I have to d/l it from x.org?
[02:54] <dcarr> crimsun: This will allow the correct modules to be loaded at boot time, right?
[02:54] <spikeb> xlibs-dev i believe empe
[02:54] <crimsun> dcarr: that is correct.
[02:55] <empe> thanks!
[02:55] <crimsun> empe: on warty?
[02:55] <dcarr> One more question - is there a way to set the keyboard to default to dvorak at the console, rather than querty, then dvorak per user?
[02:55] <spikeb> im not real impressed by the ppc version heh
[02:55] <ctd> dcarr: yeah
[02:56] <ctd> dcarr: use installkeys
[02:56] <ctd> dcarr: iirc
[02:56] <dcarr> "command not found"
[02:56] <techn9ne> ppc is that for macs?
[02:57] <crimsun> dcarr: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[02:57] <stuNNed> yes
[02:58] <dcarr> She's got it.
[02:58] <dcarr> Thanks for all the help.
[02:58] <crimsun> np
[02:58] <BugBear89> hello
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> anyone home?
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> crim?
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> ah well, let's see what you guys think about this:
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> usb plugnplay didn't work in linux after installing ubuntu
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> so i figured i'd do my usbing in windows. only to find out that windows usb pnp no longer works either
[03:01] <BlacKnight|> i figure it's because of grub...
[03:01] <BlacKnight|> would that be a safe assumption?
[03:01] <BlacKnight|> it all worked fine with lilo... should i try lilo? will apt-get install lilo work out of the box?
[03:02] <techn9ne> whats wrong w/ grub?
[03:02] <BlacKnight|> that's what i can't figure out
[03:03] <techn9ne> your usb plug n' play woudl have nothign to do w/ ubuntu.. its controlled by the bios
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> the only thing which COUOLD be affecting the usb is grub
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> because it affects usb in windows
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> which worked fine when lilo was bootloading
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> i havent changed any bios settings since installing ubuntu over mdk
[03:03] <techn9ne> that would be very strange but i dont know enough to say its impossible
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> the only boot-time change has been grub
[03:04] <techn9ne> umm prob. wanna remove grub before installing lilo apt-get remove grub then apt-get install lilo
[03:05] <BlacKnight|> ok
[03:05] <BugBear89> Hello, I am in need of kernel headers on my system but don;t know where to find them
[03:06] <techn9ne> then go into /boot and check the config files so you dont try and reboot and arent able to get into windows or linux
[03:07] <julius_trop> Is there an un-official or official list on what all packages that can be retrieved with apt-get.
[03:07] <julius_trop> I saw in faq that one may not be available yet
[03:08] <techn9ne> http://www.apt-get.org/
[03:08] <techn9ne> i think thats for debian but it should give you an idea whats available for ubuntu
[03:09] <Managu> julius_trop: you might try "apt-cache search ."
[03:09] <Managu> julius_trop: or open up aptitude, synaptic, etc, and peruse
[03:10] <julius_trop> got it
[03:11] <bob2> BlacKnight|: it is really really really unlikely that grub has had any effect on windows at all
[03:11] <bob2> maybe some bios setting got changed
[03:11] <bob2> or you have a hardware issue
[03:12] <bob2> BugBear89: what are you trying to build?
[03:12] <Crane> BugBear89: use synaptic
[03:12] <julius_trop> I typed dumpavail hehe
[03:12] <julius_trop> it's still running
[03:12] <BugBear89> bob2: ndiswrapper but i need the kernel headers
[03:13] <techn9ne> is there a gui tool for "man command" so dont have to read man pages in console?
[03:13] <bob2> BugBear89: no you don't
[03:13] <BugBear89> bob2: is ndiswrapper on the cd
[03:14] <Managu> techn9ne: a few.  The gnome help viewer can do man pages, I think
[03:14] <jivera> BugBear89: I don't think so.  I had to grab it from archive.ubuntu.com
[03:14] <bob2> BugBear89: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[03:15] <BugBear89> this machine is not connected to the net though
[03:15] <Managu> techn9ne: or maybe not.  Nm that =/
[03:15] <jivera> BugBear89: Can you sneakernet a file to it?
[03:15] <qazix> crimsun: solved the problem; old entries in ~/.kde/applnk/ kept the Editors menu around when it disappeared (Ubuntu's KDE menus are disgustingly Windows-like, Kate is nowhere to be found, and Accessories -> Text Editor opens gedit)
[03:16] <crimsun> qazix: my Debian menus are right under Applications on the gnome menu bar
[03:16] <qazix> crimsun: I meant the Debian menus as in the ones shipped with Debian's KDE packages
[03:16] <qazix> crimsun: my Debian menu is still there
[03:17] <BugBear89> jivera: OK, do i want the source or what of ndiswrapper
[03:17] <jivera> BugBear89: ndiswrapper-utils
[03:17] <jivera> 0.10
[03:17] <qazix> crimsun: I just don't like the organization of the menus in Ubuntu's KDE packages
[03:17] <bob2> fjust follow that howto
[03:17] <jivera> (Assuming you're installing Warty Warthog.)
[03:17] <jivera> bob2: That howto doesn't work as well if you don't have a network connection.
[03:17] <jivera> You can't just refresh your package listing in synaptic if there's no network connectivity.
[03:18] <qazix> crimsun: fetching whatever package(s) provides the KDE menus and replacing Ubuntu's with Debian's probably isn't the best idea, though...
[03:18] <balthus> is someone available for a quick chat with a noob on sata partitions and ubuntu? i am having some issues
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> you know what would be cool?
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> an xchat plug-in that when autorejoin is enabled suppresses the nicklist redraws, kick messages, and topic info you get when you're kicked
[03:19] <bob2> balthus: it's best to just ask your question
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> total ignorance of kicking :P
[03:19] <bob2> jivera: right
[03:19] <bob2> bluefoxicy: sounds like not getting kicked would be an even better solution...
[03:20] <zenrox> bob2, but that helps the noobs to see the topic that would be a bad idea
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  nah
[03:20] <TheSnowMan> hile, anyone know of a good p2p program for debian/gnome?
[03:20] <balthus> okay...i have a partitioned 120 sata HDD, i had an 80gb with movies and music, i had a friend install ubuntu on the other partition. when i am in ubuntu (using winXP now) i cannot see the partition with the music and movies
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  it's more fun to piss people off who kick you every 3 seconds because they're angsty and have ops and you're interrupting their angsting
[03:20] <bob2> zenrox: hm?
[03:20] <zenrox> TheSnowMan, gtk-guntella
[03:20] <Quest-Master> balthus: easy.
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  automatic heuristics ban evasion would also be nice for that :P
[03:20] <bob2> balthus: "cannot see"? how do you mean?
[03:20] <balthus> cool
[03:21] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, ok
[03:21] <TheSnowMan> guntella, not gnutella?
[03:21] <zenrox> bob2,  not gettign kickeds
[03:21] <Quest-Master> balthus: Follow this, let me get the link for you
[03:21] <balthus> my friend was poking around and we could not access the partition
[03:21] <bob2> zenrox: hah
[03:21] <techn9ne> TheSnowMan, limewire
[03:21] <balthus> quest ready thanks...
[03:21] <bob2> balthus: you mean you couldn't mount them? or that you couldn't just see the data on themautomatically?
[03:21] <zenrox> TheSnowMan,  its gtk casue its writen got gtk desktops
[03:22] <balthus> i am a TOTAL NOOB so i am going to say the later cause i am not sure what the former means
[03:22] <TheSnowMan> okey, thnx, anyone know of any of these are avalaible from the package installer
[03:22] <Quest-Master> balthus: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[03:22] <techn9ne> balthus, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> The_Nalf: gnutella
[03:22] <techn9ne> what he said
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> gtk-gnutella
[03:22] <Quest-Master> balthus: Follow the one which is for you respectively
[03:22] <balthus> thanks gents, hopefully this will help!!!
[03:22] <zenrox> TheSnowMan, gtk-gnutella is and got to http://ubuntuguide.org for limewire
[03:22] <BugBear89> OK, i have the file on the desktop, now what?
[03:22] <balthus> or ladies....
[03:22] <julius_trop> for sata you may have to put the drive in compatible mode in the bios ??
[03:22] <TheSnowMan> yeah, i know about gtk. it's the guntella or gnutella i was confused about:)
[03:22] <techn9ne> it wont automatically mount your windows partitions
[03:23] <TheSnowMan> thnx guys:) i'll try
[03:23] <techn9ne> you gotta do it manually or set it to do it automatically
[03:23] <qazix> crimsun: any idea who packages KDE for Ubuntu? The maintainers aren't Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(although the packages claim that)
[03:23] <balthus> ah, ok techn9ne
[03:23] <Riddell> qazix: hello
[03:23] <crimsun> there he is.
[03:23] <crimsun> :)
[03:23] <techn9ne> balthus, not difficult its a matter of adding one line to /etc/fstab
[03:23] <qazix> Riddell: hey... any chance you could make KDE's menu organization more like Debian's?
[03:23] <techn9ne> balthus, linux can only read from ntfs though
[03:24] <Riddell> qazix: actually haggai did kdelibs, I'm afraid I've lost track of the various menu implementations
[03:24] <qazix> Riddell: Kate seems to be missing entirely (Debian has 'Editors' as opposed to a great mess of stuff in 'Accessories')
[03:24] <balthus> i am going to reboot into ubuntu and hopefully go from there, see if i can get it (techn9ne, i am okay then :)
[03:24] <crimsun> Linux can write to NTFS, too, but it's no longer supported or developed.
[03:24] <bob2> not safely
[03:24] <bob2> well, only if the file size doesn't change
[03:24] <Riddell> qazix: I think (but could  be wrong) that the problem is that haggai made KDE use the ubuntu menu's which is why they show ubuntu/gnome programmes
[03:25] <qazix> Riddell: ah
[03:25] <BugBear89> Hmmmm, i can't add my USB drive as a repo
[03:26] <qazix> Riddell: there are gnome and kde apps, but the organization is rather busy (fewer top-level menu categories)... and as I said, I can't find Kate anywhere.
[03:27] <PotajiTo> wenas
[03:27] <qazix> except under Debian -> Apps -> Editors
[03:27] <Riddell> qazix: warty or hoary?
[03:27] <qazix> hoary (from dist-upgraded Debian unstable)
[03:28] <sasha1> hello i am back, techn9ne and quest_master can i please have those links again
[03:29] <techn9ne> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:29] <DanielC> I just wanted to congratulate everyone on a spectacular distribution! I just booted into the Ubunto LiveCD and I love this distro.
[03:29] <georgia> any reason i wouldnt be able to switch to virtual terminal 1 on warty ppc?
[03:29] <DanielC> Good job everyone.
[03:30] <DanielC> :-)
[03:30] <DanielC> Have a good one.
[03:30] <sasha1> Quest-Master can i get your link also pls..thanks
[03:30] <bob2> georgia: maybe you need to use the fn key?
[03:30] <sasha1> nevermind
[03:30] <sasha1> i found it
[03:30] <bob2> if it's a laptop
[03:31] <techn9ne> you gotta know the partition #
[03:31] <georgia> an emac, proper keybaor,d no fn key
[03:31] <bob2> well, should work
[03:31] <bob2> does 'sudo chvt 1' in an xterm work?
[03:31] <georgia> yeah i'm sure it did the last time i tried to use it
[03:31] <techn9ne> sasha1, get partion # by typing : sudo fdisk -l
[03:31] <georgia> i'll give it a shot, i'll disappear in a sec, and may not be ale to get back
[03:32] <bob2> hoary had a bug for a where yo ucouldn't switch
[03:32] <georgia> it works, and chvt 7 brought me back, cheers bob2
[03:33] <bob2> that is odd
[03:33] <BugBear89> bob2: do i need network <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:33] <BugBear89> 	broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:33] <BugBear89> in my /etc/network/interfaces ?\
[03:34] <bob2> you need to setup /etc/network/interfaces as the howto says
[03:34] <bob2> if you're using dhc, you don't need to specify that sort of thing
[03:34] <bob2> er, dhcp
[03:34] <qazix> Riddell: any idea what files I need to revert my menu structure to what I had with Debian? If not, no prob, I just preferred the old layout :)
[03:35] <BugBear89> bob2: he is using dhcp but still uses that sorta thing?
[03:35] <bob2> er, no
[03:35] <bob2> you either use dhcp, or you specify stuff manually
[03:35] <BugBear89> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[03:35] <BugBear89> thats what he lists
[03:36] <bob2> that's all you need then
[03:36] <BugBear89> but then he goes on and lists the rest
[03:37] <sasha1> techn9ne thanks! i actually did something on linux, i feel like a million bucks!
[03:38] <techn9ne> sasha1, lol thats good. thank the guy who made ubuntuguide
[03:40] <sasha1> okay silly quick question i am choosing the path to make my music folder the library with rythymbox
[03:40] <sasha1> what is the path?
[03:40] <sasha1> and or how do i find out?
[03:40] <BugBear89> the directory i think
[03:40] <robertj> it asks when you start it
[03:40] <sasha1> pls be more specific i am very noobish sorry
[03:40] <sasha1> yes
[03:40] <bob2> BugBear89: get rid of the rest
[03:40] <robertj> and it's wherever your music is
[03:40] <robertj> there is no ~/My\ Music or ~/Audio
[03:40] <sasha1> i just mounted a windows partition
[03:40] <bob2> sasha1: whereveer you've put your music
[03:41] <sasha1> and i don't know the path
[03:41] <bob2> sasha1: then chose the path within the windows partition
[03:41] <robertj> so /Documents\ and\ Settings\username
[03:41] <bob2> sasha1: how did you mount it if you don't know where it is?
[03:41] <sasha1> and the window just says music...
[03:41] <sasha1> instead of /home/sasha1
[03:41] <robertj> or /Documents\ and\Settings\username\My\ Documents\My\ Music I think
[03:42] <sasha1> i had to go into the mnt directory
[03:42] <sasha1> haha, i just got an error...pretty funny
[03:43] <sasha1> there is no plugin to handle mp3 files
[03:43] <sasha1> ahhh i guess linux is a little more work than i thought ;)
[03:44] <ArCHoNKoG> sasha1, yes there is
[03:44] <sasha1> Archonkog, i am just going on the error message i got, any suggestions are more than welcome
[03:44] <ArCHoNKoG> sasha1, which version hoary or warty
[03:45] <TheSnowMan> help: i use x-chat and i'm wondering if i can save the channels i visit the most?
[03:45] <sasha1> warty, i got off the site about a month ago, where can i check version?
[03:46] <swim> is there somewhere I can find out what packages/apps are available for ubuntu?
[03:46] <Agrajag> TheSnowMan: save?
[03:46] <Agrajag> You mean, log them, or just connect to them on startup?
[03:46] <zenrox_> how do you fix the xp boot grub is the boot loader
[03:46] <bob2> sasha1: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:46] <bob2> don't forget to write to your parliamentarian to complain about patents!
[03:46] <TheSnowMan> yes, connect to them at startup
[03:46] <bob2> swim: you want a list of all 12 000 packages?
[03:47] <Agrajag> ok
[03:47] <zenrox_> win xp gives a cant find some .dll
[03:47] <zenrox_> if i slect win from grub
[03:47] <Agrajag> go to x-chat > server list...
[03:47] <bob2> then you have a windows problem
[03:47] <julius_trop> the lame codec isn't open source anymore?
[03:47] <swim> bob2: do you say that because ubuntu uses debian repositories?
[03:47] <Agrajag> choose the network you want to set up, or add one
[03:47] <Agrajag> julius_trop: yes it is
[03:47] <Agrajag> mp3 itself is ont open
[03:47] <Managu> lame ain't a MP3 encoder.
[03:47] <bob2> swim: no, because ubuntu iteself has 12 000 packages
[03:48] <julius_trop> lame will decode mp3 wont it or just compress
[03:48] <Agrajag> TheSnowMan: there should be an option, in edit mode, to add channels to connect to on connection
[03:48] <julius_trop> ah i see
[03:48] <Agrajag> julius_trop: yes, but what's your point?
[03:48] <bob2> lame is an encoder
[03:48] <ArCHoNKoG> 12,000 packages
[03:48] <ArCHoNKoG> you for real
[03:48] <Agrajag> bob2: it's both
[03:48] <bob2> it's LGPL, but mp3 is patent-encumbered
[03:48] <Managu> lame is the source code for an mp3 encoder/decoder
[03:48] <julius_trop> excuse me just thinking out loud
[03:48] <ArCHoNKoG> dam i use there distro and ididn't even know that
[03:48] <TheSnowMan> in edit mode?
[03:48] <sasha1> bob2: thanks for the link but i am little confused, so i can listen to mp3s but i have to install some repository?
[03:48] <BugBear89> bob2: apparently wlan0 doesn't exist, it says "no such device", it is listed in lspci
[03:48] <bob2> swim: (tho many are identical to the Debian ones)
[03:48] <bob2> swim: yes
[03:49] <TheSnowMan> how do i get into edit mode then?
[03:49] <bob2> BugBear89: ignore lspci, you need to follow the instructions in that howto
[03:49] <bob2> lspci shows physical hardware, it has nothing to do with if the kernel supports it or not
[03:49] <swim> bob2: ah neat, so ubuntu uses its own repositories? bob2  than is it correct to assume that ubuntu can run kde/qt apps fine, just not kde itself?
[03:49] <BugBear89> i did that, and it comes up with no such device
[03:49] <bob2> swim: yes. no, kde itself is in universe and should work fine.
[03:50] <Agrajag> TheSnowMan: oh that's right
[03:50] <Agrajag> you're using an old xchat
[03:50] <Agrajag> anyway there should be an option to do that somewhere in the server list
[03:50] <TheSnowMan> maybe.. i use the one which came with libranet 2.8.1
[03:50] <qazix> swim: AFAICT, Ubuntu packages the entirety of KDE now (at least, my KDE packages all have "ubuntu" in the version)
[03:50] <TheSnowMan> ok, i'll have a looksie:)
[03:50] <bob2> TheSnowMan: #libranet would know more
[03:50] <TheSnowMan> hehe, maybe:)
[03:50] <swim> qazix: really! oh well I guess I have no reason not to give ubuntu a proper shot then :)
[03:51] <swim> I have a ubuntu warty cd that I got a couple of months ago, is it still as uptodate as any iso I can download now?
[03:51] <spikeb> yes
[03:51] <qazix> swim: indeed :) However, the menu structure is somewhat offensive (rather Windows-like), but that may be unintentional.
[03:51] <bob2> there has not been a new stable release since then, no
[03:52] <bob2> there have been a few test isos for the new development release, but they may or may not work
[03:52] <swim> bob2: but there are no warty cds that have updates?
[03:52] <bob2> correct
[03:53] <bob2> the only updates to waryt so far have been security fixes
[03:53] <swim> ok cool
[03:56] <julius_trop> It's really nice how the default install in ubuntu doesn't add tons of stuff most people wouldn't use
[03:57] <calc> can linux playback h.264 video?
[03:58] <Duncan> clear
[03:58] <calc> hmm appears mplayer has support for it :)
[03:58] <spikeb> due to legalities, i think the default package selection is highly overrated
[03:58] <spikeb> heh
[03:58] <calc> at least some support for it announced on dec 29 2004
[03:58] <Duncan> How do you register a nick?
[03:58] <calc> Duncan: /msg nickserv
[03:58] <julius_trop> make sure you type ./configure --enable-gui when you do mplayer :)
[03:59] <bob2> spikeb: if you think the default keyboard layout is broken, please file a bug
[03:59] <robertj> anyone know of a good program for reprioritizing nameservers?
[03:59] <spikeb> bob2, ok
[03:59] <bob2> robertj: repriotizing now?
[04:00] <spikeb> bob2, i'll look to see if there is an open one already though
[04:00] <Duncan__> Sorry about the in and out.
[04:00] <robertj> bob2: ie. if your ISP gives you a seemingly random selection of often overloaded nameservers
[04:00] <bob2> twiddle /etc/resolv.conf
[04:01] <Duncan__> Can you sudo apt-get kde?
[04:01] <bob2> yes
[04:01] <Duncan__> whats the command?
[04:01] <Duncan__> Says package can't be found
[04:01] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:01] <bob2> enable universe and enjoy the lack of integration
[04:02] <Duncan__> i was just wondering, what about xfce4?
[04:02] <qazix> "lack of integration?"
[04:03] <qazix> bob2: what do you mean by that? kde appears to work fine
[04:03] <bob2> Duncan__: same deal
[04:03] <qazix> unless I have some straggling unstable packages still installed to cover missing hoary ones
[04:03] <spikeb> ok
[04:04] <spikeb> bob2, looks like its filed already, i'll follow the suggestions i found
[04:08] <bob2> qazix: yeah
[04:10] <jonc> Hey -- I'm trying to fix a broken initrd image.  I've got the image mounted, but don't know how to write changes.  Should I be copying the contents of the old image somewhere, making the changes, and then creating an entirely new image?
[04:10] <spikeb> why on earth is emacs installed by default?
[04:10] <qazix> bob2: doesn't seem too likely; deborphan only shows one package that may make a difference (libqt3c102)
[04:10] <bob2> qazix: hrm?
[04:10] <bob2> spikeb: please see the discussion on the ubuntu-devel list
[04:10] <qazix> bob2: nevermind
[04:11] <spikeb> found it
[04:30] <Fazer> Hello!
[04:31] <enanos> hello
[04:31] <Fazer> Bastard
[04:32] <nevyn> hi
[04:32] <Fazer> =]
[04:34] <Muskrat> narf
[04:48] <wasabi> I've got an odd X problem. WHen I first log in it gives me some error about the X key mapping.
[04:48] <wasabi> And, metacity doesn't list Meta as a movement key.
[04:48] <wasabi> if nobody knows what the error is off the top of their head, i'll have to log out to find it again. :)
[04:49] <Fazer> i hate ubuntu's live cd
[04:49] <Fazer> i mean it's great
[04:49] <Fazer> but it made my thinkpad to go haywire on me
[04:49] <Fazer> it started to give me CMOS battery and touchpad errors
[04:49] <Fazer> i mean trackpoint
[04:50] <crimsun> but it's fine with warty?
[04:50] <Fazer> crimsun!
[04:50] <crimsun> yes?
[04:50] <Fazer> crimsun: YOu were helping a fellow named xed?  He told me today at work how great you were.
[04:50] <crimsun> yes, I pinged you earlier
[04:51] <Fazer> Oh you did? Sorry, I was away.
[04:51] <crimsun> no problem.
[04:51] <Fazer> anyways, you are good guy.
[04:51] <crimsun> and there were several of us helping xed
[04:51] <Fazer> Oh, good
[04:51] <Fazer> he has another slight problem with his wireless card.  I googled it and I think it is supported by Linux, but it isn't listed in his Network settings
[04:52] <crimsun> which network card is it, the atheros?
[04:52] <Fazer> Yes, I think so
[04:52] <Fazer> He'll be online within a few hours shortly
[04:52] <Fazer> er arond an hour
[04:52] <crimsun> he just needs to configure /etc/networking/interfaces with it
[04:52] <Fazer> oh
[04:52] <crimsun> it's supported by warty
[04:53] <crimsun> I saw in his /proc/interrupts that it has an irq
[04:53] <Fazer> IRQ?
[04:53] <crimsun> his dmesg output also confirmed that the kernel detects it
[04:53] <Fazer> Because I ordered Ubuntu's official CDs, gave some to him to try it out.
[04:53] <BugBear89> Hello, I have a problem, no matter what wless network card i use wlan0 will not show up in ifconfig thus i can't use the net, any ideas?
[04:53] <crimsun> yes, he got it working earlier this morning
[04:54] <Fazer> Oh cool
[04:54] <Fazer> crimsun: BTw, where are you from?
[04:54] <littlpenguin> uh, do u have all the correct kernel mods loaded
[04:55] <crimsun> Fazer: Greensboro, NC, USA.
[04:55] <Fazer> Ah cool
[04:55] <Fazer> me and xed from Ontario, Canada
[04:55] <littlepenguin> does anyone know if ubuntu would be a good distro for a dell 600m
[04:55] <crimsun> nice.
[04:55] <Fazer> =]
[04:55] <littlepenguin> im from austin,tx
[04:55] <crimsun> littlepenguin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[04:56] <littlepenguin> thanks
[04:56] <crimsun> littlepenguin: you need to add the acpi_irq_isa=7 boot option
[04:57] <crimsun> after that, everything should work.
[04:58] <littlepenguin> it doesn't say there so does  anyone know how the modem works? there are reports of the modem working on debian but how 'bout ubuntu
[04:59] <crimsun> littlepenguin: the acpi parameter I gave you will clear things up
[05:00] <Fazer> crimsun: Are you a systems administrator?
[05:00] <littlepenguin> no
[05:01] <crimsun> Fazer: part-time, yes
[05:01] <crimsun> littlepenguin: ?
[05:02] <BugBear89> could someone tell me where i can get this from linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386\
[05:02] <Fazer> Yay, I successfully guessed someone's profession! =]
[05:03] <BugBear89> i can find it anwhere on the net
[05:03] <Fazer> You mean you CAN'T
[05:03] <BugBear89> yeah, sorry :)
[05:04] <Fazer> what is linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386?
[05:04] <Fazer> is it an .iso?
[05:04] <crimsun> BugBear89: you don't want that
[05:04] <crimsun> BugBear89: what cpu do you have?
[05:04] <BugBear89> Pentium 4
[05:04] <crimsun> HT-enabled?
[05:05] <BugBear89> no
[05:05] <Managu> bugbear89: reading the whatchamacallit-wrapper howto?
[05:05] <crimsun> BugBear89: sudo apt-get install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686
[05:05] <BugBear89> Managu: yeah
[05:05] <BugBear89> crimsun: yeah, but this machine isn't connected to the net
[05:05] <Managu> bugbear89: it's a bit out of date -- the base install of Ubuntu has the appropriate linux kernel
[05:05] <crimsun> and if you're building modules, you'll need linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686, too
[05:06] <BugBear89> any ideas of how to get it?
[05:06] <crimsun> BugBear89: download those.
[05:06] <Fazer> crimsun: So, what do you think of the employment outlook in IT?
[05:06] <crimsun> BugBear89: use a cdrw if necessary
[05:06] <BugBear89> ah
[05:07] <crimsun> BugBear89: [or]  if you're stuck with only the install cdrom, just install linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[05:07] <crimsun> Fazer: here in the states? fairly dismal but it's improving. Slowly.
[05:07] <BugBear89> yeah, done that
[05:08] <Fazer> crimsun: Oh, hmm.  Atleast its improving.
[05:08] <crimsun> BugBear89: then you should be set to compile the wrapper
[05:09] <BugBear89> if it installs correctly does that mean i have installed the headers correctly?
[05:09] <crimsun> yes
[05:09] <BugBear89> cool, done that
[05:09] <crimsun> now you have to follow the rest of the howto
[05:11] <BugBear89> looks like its working
[05:12] <BugBear89> It tells me No DHCPOFFERS recieved, where can i tell it the DHCP server?
[05:14] <crimsun> BugBear89: is /etc/networking/interfaces configured to use dhcp?
[05:15] <BugBear89> yeah
[05:15] <BugBear89> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[05:17] <lilubu> could someone point me to the url in the topic to get dvd playback working ?
[05:18] <crimsun> lilubu: check the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki
[05:23] <da_bon_bon> hi! KNOCK KNOCK, anyone here ?
[05:24] <Fazer> No, I don't see anyone online
[05:24] <Fazer> so he/she must not be here
[05:24] <spikeb> gee golly, that's hilarious.
[05:24] <Fazer> bah, lame joke
[05:25] <da_bon_bon> :D LOOL
[05:25] <crimsun> back in a bit, food.
[05:25] <Fazer> Bring some for me too! =)
[05:26] <da_bon_bon> me too! i love american
[05:26] <Fazer> ...
[05:30] <swim> hi, just installed warty, when I boot, I can hear ubuntu starting x, but I only see a black screen
[05:30] <swim> maybe I need to install nvidia-glx?
[05:31] <jivera> swim: You should still have graphics, even if not accelerated.
[05:31] <wolfsong> hi
[05:31] <jivera> Can you get to a terminal?
[05:31] <jivera> Er, console.
[05:32] <wolfsong> former Debian user (newbie) with an install question
[05:32] <swim> jivera only booting in recovery mode, because without the nvidia drivers install if I do an alt+ctrl+backspace I get a lined screen, (this is normal without having the nvidia-glxinstalled) (Im now booted recovery)
[05:32] <wolfsong> i have 2 HDs and i'm trying to set the slave up with swap space
[05:32] <wolfsong> setup doesn't seem to give me that option
[05:33] <jivera> wolfsong: I was able to setup my second hard drive fine.
[05:34] <wolfsong> jivera, when i setup the first drive as primary that goes ok but when i try to setup the second drive there is no swap option for usage
[05:34] <swim> jivera, help?
[05:34] <jivera> wolfsong: Odd.  I setup a swap partition on my second hdd fine... dunno, sorry. :(
[05:34] <wolfsong> it only will give me swap if i auto config
[05:34] <jivera> (I'm not really familiar with the d-i specifics.)
[05:35] <jivera> swim: Dunno, I've never had any problems with graphics before installing nvidia-glx on the boxes I have using nvidia cards.
[05:35] <swim> jivera: umm did you read my problem? Im not having problems with nvidia-glx... Im having problems with x in general
[05:36] <jivera> swim: You said it was 'normal' before loading nvidia-glx.
[05:36] <swim> no I didnt
[05:36] <swim> I havent even loaded the nvidia-glx
[05:36] <jivera> 22:34 < swim> jivera only booting in recovery mode, because without the nvidia drivers install if I do an alt+ctrl+backspace
[05:36] <swim> this is what I said:
[05:36] <jivera>               I get a lined screen, (this is normal without having the nvidia-glxinstalled) (Im now booted recovery)
[05:36] <jivera> "this is noral without having the nvidia-glx installed"
[05:37] <jivera> normal
[05:37] <swim> I do not have them installed... the lined screen is normal without having nvidia-glx installed.... I know this from all of my previous distros
[05:37] <wolfsong> jivera, did you create the primary first?
[05:38] <swim> but the problem still is, that when ubuntu starts, I cannot see anything but a black screen
[05:38] <DjCyre|AFK> im new to Ubuntu and have taken a liking to it. I just want to know how I can set it up to use my Ati 9600xt
[05:38] <jivera> I never saw a lined screen when I installed ubuntu on my sister's computer with an nvidia graphics card.
[05:38] <jivera> So, I don't know what you're talking about.
[05:38] <swim> jezus
[05:38] <jivera> wolfsong: The primary was just a windows install, so I didn't touch it.  All the linux stuff is on the second hdd.
[05:38] <DjCyre|AFK> i was reading about the nvidia driver stuff, is that the same deal for ATI
[05:38] <swim> forget the lined screen.  The problem is, that when ubuntu starts, I cannot see anything but a black screen
[05:39] <swim> anyone?
[05:40] <wolfsong> oic
[05:40] <wolfsong> both mine are linux but i think i figured it out
[05:40] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: totally difference
[05:41] <GoneBoB> *different
[05:41] <TheSnowMan> hi again guys. i have another question. i have setup evolution as my email program. i have several accounts set up since i have many email adresses. i would like to use the inbox monitor to let me know if i have email or not, but it can only monitor one account. there is however i other option like mail spool. but it doesn't reckognice the default mailspool... anyone help me? pleeease'
[05:42] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: I realise that they are different drivers, but is there an ATI driver in the apt repositry
[05:43] <wolfsong> new question
[05:43] <Managu> TheSnowMan: You might consider setting up fetchmail, and consolidating all your mail on your local box
[05:43] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: yes
[05:43] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: fglrx
[05:43] <GoneBoB> give me a tic
[05:44] <swim> Anyone please, my problem is, that when ubuntu starts, I cannot see anything but a black screen
[05:44] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: cool, u know of any guides on how to install it
[05:44] <wolfsong> if i want to create a small partition on the second drive to use as backup space if i format the primary how should the backup partition be mounted?
[05:44] <GoneBoB> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:44] <Managu> wolfsong: periods?
[05:44] <TheSnowMan> i tried to set up fetchmail but it won't do anything.. and it's so huge. i would just like that small icon in the taskbar..
[05:44] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: thats a lot for that buddy
[05:44] <GoneBoB> no problem
[05:45] <DjCyre|AFK> you have been a huge help
[05:45] <wolfsong> sorry
[05:46] <swim> .....
[05:46] <wolfsong> i want a backup partition on my second physical drive in case i format the first one
[05:46] <swim> im sitting here in recovery mode on irssi hoping to get some assistance...
[05:46] <wolfsong> how should the the backup partition be mounted
[05:46] <swim> in recovery mode you dont even get anymore consoles to try and look up anything
[05:47] <Managu> wolfsong: do you know the name of the partition?  i.e. /dev/hdc4?
[05:47] <qazix> anyone know what package(s) control KDE's menu layout? I'm trying to figure out what I need to replace to restore Debian's menu layout in KDE  (menu-xdg most likely, but is there anything else?)
[05:47] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: do I need to do anything extra for my Nforce2 chipset?
[05:47] <Managu> swim: new installation, or is it a new problem?
[05:48] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: I don't think so
[05:48] <wolfsong> Managu, don't think so
[05:48] <GoneBoB> I'm not 100% sure
[05:48] <swim> Managu: just installed ubuntu
[05:48] <DjCyre|AFK> ok, thanks again
[05:48] <swim> Managu: but Ive tried installing ubuntu months ago and same thing happened... so i just gave up and used another distro
[05:48] <Managu> swim: just an offhand question -- have you tried the ubuntu live cd?
[05:48] <Managu> wolfsong: how are you making the backup partition?
[05:48] <swim> Managu: no I havent
[05:49] <wolfsong> Managu, i'm using the partition tool in the setup
[05:49] <Managu> swim: My first thought is that you might try to setup X to use the vesafb driver
[05:49] <Managu> wolfsong: hrmm.  Are you just installing now?
[05:49] <wolfsong> yes
[05:50] <wolfsong> i assume it's just /dev/hdb#
[05:50] <Managu> wolfsong: well, the install tool lets you mount partitions in the advanced mode, doesn't it?
[05:51] <swim> Managu: its probably using "nv" now, should I just change "nv" to "vesafb" ?
[05:51] <wolfsong> Managu, i'm not sure i follow. do you mean can i manually set them up?
[05:51] <Managu> swim: no, it would likely be more complex than that.  Haven't tried it myself recently =/
[05:52] <swim> alright Im going to try another channel
[05:52] <Managu> wolfsong: I don't suppose I understand your question. You're installing Ubuntu, probably on a different machine than IRCing.  You're at the step where you're setting up partitions.  The normal mode just sort of does it... and there's an advanced mode, no?
[05:53] <smooth-operator> does anyone know the command to instal a tar.gz file i downloaded?
[05:53] <crimsun> swim: where does it become black?
[05:53] <nevyn> smooth-operator: there's several but what is it?
[05:53] <crimsun> swim: or rather, when?
[05:53] <smooth-operator> it's pure ftp
[05:53] <nevyn> there's probably an easier way than using a tar.gz
[05:53] <wolfsong> Managu: I assume i'm in an advanced mode
[05:53] <wolfsong> i'm selecting the partition options
[05:54] <smooth-operator> i want to run an ftp server and i heard pure ftp is one of the easiest to use
[05:54] <swim> crimsun: I believe when it starts x... I hear something that sounds like ubuntu is staring little sound notification or whatever...
[05:54] <nevyn> smooth-operator: pureftpD or pureftp?
[05:54] <wolfsong> when i get to the point of how it will be used i have"
[05:54] <wolfsong> "/"
[05:54] <nevyn> smooth-operator: apt-get install pure-ftpd
[05:54] <wolfsong> "/usr"
[05:54] <wolfsong> "/home"
[05:54] <smooth-operator> nevyn: pureftpd
[05:54] <wolfsong> etc
[05:54] <crimsun> swim: ok, so you never see the gdm login screen with the ubuntu logo?
[05:54] <nevyn> smooth-operator: or use synaptic search for pure-ftpd you may need to enable universe.
[05:55] <swim> crimsun: no I don't
[05:55] <smooth-operator> i have universe enabled
[05:55] <smooth-operator> thanks nevyn!
[05:55] <wolfsong> i assume i don't want home because it will put all the home directories there
[05:55] <Managu> wolfsong: I see.  If you want the partition to be used as a "backup" (I'm not really sure what you've got in mind for that), you might want to tell it to mount as "/backup"
[05:55] <smooth-operator> so apt-get has access to thousands of files out there?
[05:55] <Managu> wolfgang: or some such
[05:56] <crimsun> swim: pure Warty, correct?
[05:56] <wolfsong> ahhh i found a manual entry thanks!
[05:56] <swim> crimsun: yes from ubuntu install cd
[05:56] <crimsun> swim: would you paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin.com?
[05:57] <swim> crimsun: I could but it will take me some time... I have to boot up with a mepis livecd
[05:57] <qazix> crimsun: hey, can you do me a favor? check which debian package contains /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[05:58] <crimsun> qazix: gnome-menus
[05:58] <nevyn> synaptic is a front-end for apt.
[05:58] <qazix> crimsun: that's not in Debian
[05:58] <crimsun> swim: curl -F "code=</var/log/XFree86.0.log" -F poster=YourNick -F parent_pid= -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php 2> /dev/null | grep YourNick
[05:58] <qazix> crimsun: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-menus.html
[05:59] <kleedrac> Anyone ever see cedega throw an error like this: "wine client perror:3: sendmsg: Bad file descriptor"
[05:59] <crimsun> kleedrac: #cedega
[05:59] <kleedrac> crimsun: Thanks
[05:59] <swim> crimsun ok I still need to turn off irssi (Im in recovery mode so only one console)
[05:59] <crimsun> swim: time to learn of screen :)
[05:59] <swim> huh?
[05:59] <qazix> crimsun: well, KDE is definitely using that for menu generation (moving that file out of the way and running update-menus really cleans out my menu)
[05:59] <crimsun> qazix: I thought you said you use hoary
[06:00] <qazix> crimsun: yes
[06:00] <qazix> crimsun: I'm trying to figure out what Debian package contains the file that I need to replace that
[06:01] <nevyn> smooth-operator: synaptic is a frontend for apt apt has thousands of packages availible on ubuntu probably ~10thousand with universe enabled
[06:01] <crimsun> qazix: how hard did you look?
[06:01] <swim> crimsun so Ill logout of irssi and type that then? and come back into irssi?
[06:02] <crimsun> qazix: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=applications.menu&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386  <-- for instance, this?
[06:02] <qazix> crimsun: thanks ;)
[06:02] <crimsun> swim: yes
[06:02] <swim> brb
[06:03] <setite> ok
[06:03] <drspin> evening all ;)
[06:03] <setite> after several several hours i got ubuntu installed
[06:04] <Managu> sup drspin
[06:04] <setite> took about 5 hours to get windows to let me defragment the drive... it wouldnt let me do it without running chkdsk /f... which refused to run
[06:04] <drspin> how are things this evening?
[06:04] <setite> now i need help
[06:04] <setite> the time is wrong
[06:04] <setite> how do i make it synchronize
[06:04] <setite> it says i need to run NTP support
[06:04] <Managu> setite: everything else working?
[06:05] <Managu> setite: is the time correct in windows?
[06:05] <setite> as far as i know
[06:05] <setite> yea it is
[06:05] <setite> i can easily adjust it
[06:05] <smooth-operator> anybody here use pureftpd?
[06:05] <Managu> setite: oh fun.  Lemme see -- it's a timezone problem, then?
[06:05] <setite> but i would like it to syncronize
[06:05] <nevyn> I use proftpd...
[06:05] <Managu> setite: i.e. the time is off by a few hours?
[06:05] <setite> no its set for los angeles
[06:06] <setite> which is one state over... proper time zone
[06:06] <lilubu> how do i automount my windows partitions ?
[06:06] <Managu> setite: oh, ok.  You probably want to install the "ntpdate" package
[06:06] <setite> ok
[06:06] <smooth-operator> i get this error "Unable to start a standalone server: Permission denied" any ideas?
[06:06] <nevyn> smooth-operator: you need to do that with sudo
[06:06] <setite> i have the latest version
[06:06] <setite> hmmmm
[06:07] <setite> i think i need to run it
[06:07] <nevyn> your user doesn't have rights to the socket for ftp. but using FTP is a bad idea anyway
[06:07] <Managu> setite: ntpdate will run automatically at boot time to sync the time to the ubuntu ntp server.  That is assuming that networking is going ok
[06:07] <setite> how do i do that
[06:07] <drspin> lilubu: put it in /etc/fstab
[06:07] <Managu> setite: if you want to run it RIGHT NOW!, you need to run "sudo ntpdate <ntp server>"
[06:07] <lilubu> drspin could you be a little more specific ?  i dont know fstab very much
[06:08] <Managu> setite: at the risk of being a heretic, I use (oh, I forget now) time.windows.com as my ntp server
[06:08] <smooth-operator> now i get this error when i use the sudo command "Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use"
[06:08] <Managu> but I think ubuntu runs it's own ntp server -- ntp.ubuntulinux.org?
[06:08] <drspin> lilubu: what is the command you used to mount the partition in the first place?
[06:08] <setite> haha
[06:08] <setite> ill fix it later
[06:08] <lilubu> i failed to mount it :(
[06:08] <setite> i need mp3s!
[06:09] <setite> what do i need
[06:09] <drspin> setite - I would fix it now... before you start installing and configuring stuff... had a bad GENTOO experience
[06:09] <setite> damnit
[06:09] <setite> ok
[06:09] <Managu> lilubu: know what partition your windows partition is on?
[06:09] <lilubu> /dev/hda5
[06:10] <lilubu> i entered that with "defaults, 0    0 "  and type ntfs in fstab -- think it'll work ?
[06:10] <setite> how do i fix it
[06:10] <Managu> My current fstab entry for windows is :/dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    user,noauto,ro,umask=0002 0 0
[06:10] <setite> i ran sudo ntpdate time.windows.com
[06:10] <setite> that sufficient?
[06:11] <setite>  2 Jan 21:10:30 ntpdate[20150] : step time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset 21.770993 sec
[06:11] <drspin> lilubu: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows
[06:11] <Managu> setite: looks good
[06:11] <drspin> setite: indeed
[06:11] <setite> what do i need for mp3
[06:11] <Managu> setite: get some mp3s?
[06:11] <setite> i searched for mp3 in synaptic and i have libgmp3 and libmp3hip0 installed
[06:11] <setite> no support
[06:12] <drspin> setite : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> mpg123
[06:12] <setite> yea i didnt find mpg123 on synaptic
[06:12] <nevyn> mp3blaster > mpg123
[06:13] <nevyn> mpg123 is non-free anyway
[06:13] <setite> oh
[06:13] <crimsun> install mpg321
[06:13] <setite> sorta like xvid eh?
[06:13] <drspin> setite: if you want it the easy way, read that wiki page -- had mp3 within 5 mins of my install :)
[06:13] <setite> no xmms by default... es muy mal
[06:14] <lilubu> /mnt/win_d is not visable by normal user though
[06:14] <setite> ok after mp3s i need opera
[06:14] <drspin> setite: Opera?
[06:14] <jmhodges> hmm.. anybody know of an app to snag rm streams? totem doesn't want to let me skip ahead in this 35 minute realvideo link that i was almost finished with
[06:14] <setite> firefox is killing me
[06:14] <drspin> setite: ?????
[06:14] <setite> i dont like it... its weird
[06:15] <lilubu> the mount command worked however its only accessible from a terminal, not the user gnome interface
[06:15] <crimsun> jmhodges: streamripper? ripcast?
[06:15] <setite> i need to add the universe repo?
[06:16] <drspin> setite: yes
[06:16] <setite> ok so mpg321 or gstreamer
[06:16] <drspin> setite: both :) they're both so small...
[06:16] <jmhodges> crimsun: streamripper is for shoutcast streams..
[06:16] <setite> but do i need both
[06:16] <jmhodges> i just need something that understands rstp i suppose..
[06:16] <setite> mpg321 for video?
[06:16] <drspin> gstreamer go me working with the already installed music players - I use Muine
[06:17] <jmhodges> ah, perhaps mplayer's dumpstream will work
[06:17] <swoon> crimsun still there?
[06:18] <Managu> swan -> swoon?  heh
[06:18] <swoon> no swim -> swoon
[06:18] <crimsun> swoon: what's up?
[06:18] <Managu> ahh, darnit.  Who was swan?
[06:18] <jmhodges> who's on first?
[06:18] <crimsun> jmhodges: I'd grab them using mplayer's dump audio method
[06:19] <setite> wth im lost
[06:19] <jmhodges> crimsun: natch :)
[06:19] <Managu> jmhodges: heh
[06:19] <setite> im trying to add universe
[06:19] <setite> i dont get this
[06:19] <swoon> crimsun this is swim here:  http://www.pastebin.com/193852
[06:19] <setite> "Select one or the other, and see which one shows Section(s): universe"
[06:19] <setite> im not seeing anything abotu sections
[06:19] <setite> the both say main restricted
[06:19] <lilubu> it keeps telling me i dont have permission to view contents of win_d when i sudo it
[06:20] <setite> oh no nvm
[06:20] <crimsun> oooh, excellent
[06:20] <setite> the ubuntu install was long though
[06:21] <crimsun> I love repeated problmes.
[06:21] <crimsun> -lems
[06:21] <setite> the part where it connected and installed updates
[06:21] <setite> god i thought id die
[06:21] <crimsun> swoon: reboot, and in bios, disable the usb legacy mouse emulation
[06:21] <setite> ooh lemme try that hotplugging with my mp3 player
[06:21] <lilubu> crimsun i would like to mount /dev/hda5 as /mnt/win_d and have permission to read it as my user account -- can anyone help ?
[06:22] <setite> yay! it works
[06:22] <crimsun> lilubu: pass the umask parameter to mount (or place it in /etc/fstab)
[06:22] <setite> ok well i love ubuntu
[06:22] <crimsun> lilubu: you could also use the uid and gid params
[06:22] <setite> the livecd sucked it big time
[06:22] <setite> but this worked fine
[06:23] <pgwhiz> g'evening
[06:23] <swoon> crimsun Ive been in my bios many times before but Ive never seen any way to disable usb  legacy mouse
[06:23] <setite> ok do i have to mount my ntfs partition manually?
[06:23] <setite> the live cd showed it auto
[06:24] <Managu> swoon: just curoius -- how big is your monitor?
[06:24] <Managu> swoon: and, if it's ever been used with another windowing system, what's the max resolution you've used it at?
[06:24] <swoon> Managu its a 15.4 laptop...
[06:24] <swoon> Managu the largest Ive used is 1400x1050
[06:25] <setite> why do some things in synaptic that you dont have have starts on them?
[06:25] <Managu> swoon: that's a rather odd resolution . . .
[06:25] <setite> are those popular or something
[06:25] <crimsun> swoon: look closely
[06:25] <swoon> Managu um no its not
[06:25] <crimsun> swoon: also, which laptop is this?
[06:25] <swoon> crimsun ok to what?
[06:25] <swoon> crimsun its a r3000z
[06:25] <swoon> compaq
[06:25] <swoon> presario
[06:26] <lilubu> crimsum the uid of default user is 1000 could you be so kind as to give me an exact line this is what i've been doing: sudo mount -t ntfs uid=1000 /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d
[06:26] <setite> god i love synaptic
[06:26] <crimsun> lilubu: -o umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000
[06:27] <crimsun> lilubu: that should get you on your way
[06:27] <lilubu> thank you
[06:27] <nevyn> btw you can just use a username rather than a uid there.
[06:29] <swoon> crimsun still with me?
[06:29] <wolfsong> hi anyone no what Error 18 at boot would be?
[06:29] <crimsun> swoon: yes, be patient.
[06:29] <wolfsong> comes up right after grub starts loading
[06:29] <crimsun> (I'm at work, so I can't answer immediately sometimes)
[06:29] <Amroc> lamont, you have addicted me to 5 card mao
[06:30] <drspin> setite: Synaptic is nice to use I agree :)
[06:30] <crimsun> swoon: lsmod|grep psmouse
[06:31] <swoon> crimsun Im in mepis livecd now...
[06:32] <setite> hey someone help
[06:32] <setite> im trying to make ntfs automoutn
[06:32] <setite> now im using the wiki
[06:32] <setite> /dev/hda1        /mnt/win98        vfat       defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[06:32] <setite> thats what the tut says
[06:32] <setite> but im using ntfs
[06:32] <Managu> swoon,crimsun: just another random thought: it looks to me from that x-log paste that the x-server is trying to display at a resolution of 1792x1344.  That's a fair bit higher than you indicate your laptop supports.
[06:32] <setite> so what do i put in place of vfat
[06:32] <Agrajag> ntfs
[06:32] <setite> ok
[06:32] <techn9ne> setitle, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:32] <setite> :)
[06:33] <wolfsong> Managu: any idea what error 18 on boot would be?
[06:34] <calc> wolfsong:
[06:34] <calc> 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[06:34] <calc>     This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general).
[06:34] <setite> what is this part
[06:34] <setite> defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[06:34] <setite> the uid, gid
[06:34] <Managu> setite: "auto" = always mount
[06:34] <setite> yea i know that part
[06:34] <daniels> swoon: looks like the nvidia driver in warty is broken
[06:34] <Managu> setite "uid=1000" = all files on this partition are made to look like they're owned by the user with the ID of 1000
[06:34] <wolfsong> it doesn't like my syquest drive
[06:34] <swoon> Managu ahh, Im looking at XF86config and it seems to say that its trying to use 1680x1050... which is also to big
[06:34] <crimsun> daniels: the 'nv' one?
[06:34] <daniels> crimsun: yeah
[06:35] <crimsun> k
[06:35] <swoon> oh hmm so maybe I need to install a new nvidia-glx?
[06:35] <Managu> swoon: well, it lists a large number of modelines, but a number of them are eliminated during startup as not being compatible for some reason or other.
[06:35] <crimsun> swoon: try editing your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Modes to restrict them to 1280x800 and below
[06:35] <crimsun> swoon: according to http://cmb.phys.cwru.edu/kisner/linux/compaq-r3000/ , the binary nvidia driver is necessary for proper function
[06:36] <setite> awesome.. thanks managui
[06:36] <setite> managu
[06:36] <Managu> np
[06:36] <daniels> swoon: that doesn't indicate to me you're using nvidia-glx
[06:36] <daniels> oh, right
[06:36] <daniels> yeah, score one for nvidia.
[06:36] <swoon> im not
[06:36] <techn9ne> im using nvidia driver works great
[06:37] <techn9ne> i don tplay games so i dont know how great it is w/ 3d though
[06:37] <setite> question... when file browsing each folder opens in a new window... can i stop that?
[06:37] <spikeb> the nvidia driver works great for games.
[06:37] <swoon> ok so, what should I  download onto harddrive here now that Im in mepislive, to install the nvidia drivers?
[06:37] <techn9ne> setite, yes its an option somewhere
[06:37] <techn9ne> they have a big long explanation of why thats better
[06:37] <techn9ne> it remembers window positions and its more "object oriented" or something
[06:38] <techn9ne> you can go ctrl+shift+w and it closes all child windows
[06:38] <Managu> swoon: there are a number of options to try.  for the nvidia drivers, you can go to www.nvidia.com, and browse their driver stuff
[06:38] <techn9ne> i dont remember where the option is located but its in one of hte GUI preference things
[06:38] <swoon> will the nvidia installer from nvidia.com compile on ubuntu fine?
[06:38] <crimsun> swoon: no need, it's already in warty
[06:39] <drspin> techn9ne: ctrl+shift+w here only closes a single parent window for me...
[06:39] <lilubu> how hard is it to install ati's driver ?
[06:39] <setite> is there a divx codec?
[06:39] <crimsun> lilubu: there are a number of steps. See the BinaryDriversHowto
[06:39] <setite> better yet
[06:39] <spikeb> not hard to install either drivers
[06:39] <setite> is there like one big ass codec pack?
[06:39] <crimsun> setite: get 'w32codecs'
[06:39] <techn9ne> drspin, it will close all parent windows you used to get to the currently selected window
[06:39] <setite> oh... duh
[06:40] <swoon> crimsun I thougt daniels just said it was broken? or are you saying that the nvidia stuff is in the repositories?
[06:40] <techn9ne> setite, http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html
[06:40] <setite> ive only seen that mentioned like 30 times
[06:40] <drspin> techn9ne: but it doesn't, it only closes the parent window...
[06:40] <techn9ne> i dunno works fo rme
[06:40] <drspin> ...lucky
[06:40] <crimsun> swoon: to be honest, I'm not sure daniels was referring to "nvidia" (as opposed to "nv")
[06:41] <crimsun> swoon: but they are in the repo
[06:41] <setite> ok when i install an application with synaptic... its supposed to show up in my applications right
[06:41] <crimsun> swoon: you just have to follow the BinaryDriversHowto
[06:41] <setite> does it all go to one folder or does it attempt to categorize it
[06:41] <crimsun> swoon: err, BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <swoon> crimsun ok, then what do I need to do from cli to setup apt so it will download from repositories?
[06:41] <calc> setite: only fdo .desktop ones will
[06:42] <calc> and then even all of those might not, depending on how the gnome menu is written
[06:42] <setite> ??
[06:42] <crimsun> swoon: follow the steps for Nvidia here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:42] <calc> eg the majority of non gnome/kde apps will not show up in the gnome menu
[06:42] <setite> ok well i dont know what fdo .desktop is but how do i make xmms show up in the menu
[06:42] <crimsun> swoon: use a text browser like 'w3m' or 'links'
[06:43] <calc> setite: you can't easily
[06:43] <drspin> setite: restart gnome and it'll show up - mine did
[06:43] <setite> damn
[06:43] <drspin> in multimedia
[06:43] <calc> ah well yea restarting might make it show up, didn't know gnome didn't automatically recognize newly installed files
[06:43] <swoon> crimsun how can I stop x from starting at boot?
[06:43] <setite> oh ok... after i figure out the browsing thing ill restart... i want to see how fast ubuntu boots versus fedora
[06:44] <drspin> calc: sometimes it does... haven't noticed a pattern to that either :/
[06:44] <calc> drspin: fun
[06:45] <setite> drspin - do i need to restart altogether or just log out and in
[06:46] <drspin> I hope he just logged out and back in ;)
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:46] <swoon> anyone tell me how to stop x from starting at boot?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> no he is rebooting
[06:47] <smooth-operator> anybody know how i can find out the address of the ftp server i'm trying to run?
[06:47] <lamont> Amroc: glad to help. :-)
[06:48] <setite> awesome
[06:48] <lamont> Amroc: I'm generally available to schedule a game...
[06:48] <setite> that did it
[06:48] <setite> thanks drspin
[06:48] <drspin> setite: ;)
[06:48] <drspin> setite: no problem - glad I could help!
[06:48] <setite> yea
[06:48] <setite> now im at home
[06:48] <setite> xmms is great
[06:48] <setite> i needed a familiar mp3 app
[06:48] <nevyn> smooth-operator: why are you attempting to run an ftp server?
[06:49] <smooth-operator> nevyn: to host files for friends and family
[06:49] <nevyn> on an internal network?
[06:49] <crimsun> swoon: there are 2 methods
[06:49] <smooth-operator> no, from all over the places
[06:49] <setite> ok it looks like automounting didnt work
[06:49] <nevyn> smooth-operator: do you have a permanant IP addres or a domain name?
[06:50] <smooth-operator> i believe my ip address is static
[06:50] <nevyn> or static enough?
[06:50] <setite> nvm found it
[06:50] <smooth-operator> yeah, i don't think it changes very often
[06:50] <swoon> does anyone know how to stop X from starting at boot??
[06:50] <nevyn> smooth-operator: you need to configure dynamic dns to make this useful.
[06:50] <smooth-operator> ok
[06:51] <smooth-operator> so i need to register a dns address or something to that effect?
[06:51] <nevyn> so you need a domain name and somthing that will point it at you and let you login and update it.
[06:51] <crimsun> swoon: you can either use update-rc.d, or (actually there are more methods) remove the executable bit from /etc/init.d/gdm, or change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to not point to /usr/bin/gdm
[06:51] <smooth-operator> ok i'll try and figure that out
[06:51] <Managu> swoon: or just start in runlevel 2?
[06:51] <swoon> how do I start in runlevel 2?
[06:52] <crimsun> Managu: Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't mess with runlevels. 2-5 are identical.
[06:52] <nevyn> Managu: type runlevel at a prompt.
[06:52] <Managu> crimsun: Oh?  Hrmm, ok
[06:52] <crimsun> swoon: try one of the methods I typed.
[06:52] <nevyn> swoon: or mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc.d/K99gdm
[06:53] <nevyn> bleh that second path should be rc2.d/K99gdm
[06:53] <nevyn> crimsun: users should not use update-rc.d it's only for packages when they update their changes will be lost.
[06:54] <setite> is w32codecs not on the repos?
[06:54] <swoon> nevyn can I just change it to S99gdm-old ?
[06:54] <nevyn> no.
[06:54] <nevyn> swoon: the S means START K means KILL
[06:54] <lilubu> if i do apt-get upgrade it wont upgrade to hoary will it ?
[06:54] <nevyn> Kill == don't start.
[06:55] <swoon> alright brb
[06:55] <setite> hey to install opera which debian version do i get
[06:55] <setite> sid, sarge, woody or potato
[06:56] <setite> sid right
[06:56] <setite> or sarge
[06:56] <setite> ok ill get sid
[06:57] <crimsun> nevyn: policy does not make it clear that only maintainer scripts can use update-rc.d or invoke-rc.d
[06:57] <crimsun> [I'm looking at 9.3.1]
[06:57] <bob2> update-rc.d's changes should not be lost
[06:58] <bob2> I'm pretty sure it's a bug if they are
[06:58] <setite> hey who here had the emachine
[06:58] <bob2> setite: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (re w32codecs)
[06:58] <zenrox> setite,  i do
[06:58] <setite> hey where do i get better drivers for this onboard video
[06:58] <bob2> and I wouldn't recommend people remove the executable bits from init scripts, that's going to be a pain in the arse for someone to fix later
[06:58] <setite> i need a better resolution
[06:59] <zenrox> setite,  i845g/gl mobo
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> setite, that is an intel mb
[06:59] <setite> yea i believe so... well i845gv i think
[06:59] <bob2> X's default i810 driver is as good as it gets
[06:59] <setite> does intel have the drivers?
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> you need the 855resolution patch
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:59] <crimsun> bob2: the safest method might then be to simply change /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
[06:59] <zenrox> setite, ya just use i840 driver
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> first instasll the  drivers from intel
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> then run this patch
[07:00] <setite> ok now what tutorial explains how to do that
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> my lug site
[07:00] <setite> 855patch
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:00] <bob2> intel has random other X drivers that aren't in ubuntu?
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> that only partially works
[07:00] <zenrox> nomasteryoda,  web page please??
[07:00] <bob2> crimsun: removing the link from rc2.d seems easiest to me, and easist to undo later
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> link getting
[07:00] <daniels> bob2: no, these are the random 'oh, hey, video bios, let's change random crap and hope it's right' tools
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> http://mgalug.org/suse/9.2?PHPSESSID=e4d272fc6ed52e0252b3cf048a793e51
[07:01] <bob2> crimsun: plus it'd be the first place someone would look if they're trying to renable it
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> i have the 1400x1050 high res here on this new dell
[07:01] <bob2> daniels: haha
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> using suse
[07:01] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.016 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 289/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 30.39G Procs: 85 Uptime: 2 hrs 10 mins 9 secs Load: 1.38 1.69 1.69  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 11.90M Out: 1.01M
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> but it works great and fast
[07:01] <nevyn> crimsun: but if an administrator uses it the changes will be reverted when they next invoke-rc.d
[07:01] <zenrox> default drivers for my vid card
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> this thing is truly crystal clear now
[07:02] <zenrox> mine is too i am using hoary with x.org
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> make sure you follow allan's resolution setting
[07:03] <daniels> unless you have a problem -- such as not having the right resolution on your widescreen laptop -- do not install any additional tools or driver.
[07:03] <daniels> it will just break your system.
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> and you will need to modify the boot.local file or whatever ubuntu calls it
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> daniels, this works and made my video GL work too
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> i like to play bzflag
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:03] <bob2> if the res isn't detected properly, wouldn't it be better to file a bug so it can be fixed automatically?
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> and be able to read the screen fonts
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> bob2, yes
[07:04] <setite> shit i thought i could run a .deb like i did with rpms
[07:04] <setite> it wont run
[07:04] <bob2> you don't run rpms either
[07:04] <bob2> you install them
[07:04] <bob2> 'sudo dpkg -i blah.deb'
[07:05] <setite> ok ok
[07:05] <setite> well with fedora it had a dummy method when you double-clicked the file
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> setite, this patch is easy to install
[07:05] <daniels> bob2: it'll get merged as a duplicate of the terrible vbe implementation thing
[07:05] <setite> im installing opera atm
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> coo
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> l
[07:05] <bob2> ah, haha
[07:06] <setite> since the file is in the /home do i have to bother sayign which directory the .deb is in?
[07:06] <techn9ne> eww fedora
[07:06] <techn9ne> dont use the f word in here
[07:06] <bob2> setite: it's a normal path...
[07:06] <bob2> if you're in the directory, you just have to give the filename
[07:07] <setite> cool... alright i knew this would happen
[07:07] <wolfsong> well removing my syquest drive didn't fix the problem
[07:07] <wolfsong> i think it doesn't like the 3rd IDE control
[07:08] <setite> what are the stars on packages for
[07:08] <wolfsong> but now i can't even boot to the CD
[07:08] <bob2> setite: 'stars'?
[07:08] <setite> they are ones without the ubuntu icon on synaptic
[07:08] <bob2> unsupported
[07:08] <setite> oh ok
[07:09] <setite> ok installing the libqt3c102-mt that i need
[07:09] <drspin> install the december background - she's sexy
[07:10] <setite> are any not sexy?
[07:10] <murtaza> how can i run shockwave web pages in mozilla
[07:10] <Agrajag> murtaza: install windows
[07:10] <setite> oh come on agra
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:10] <Agrajag> setite: what
[07:10] <setite> we must not speak of such things
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> murtaza, get crossover office
[07:10] <wolfsong> what exactly is grub?
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> you can install it then
[07:10] <murtaza> Agrajag, do u have deal with window
[07:10] <calc> wolfsong: the bootloader
[07:11] <techn9ne> there is no shockwave for linux
[07:11] <calc> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[07:11] <techn9ne> flash yes, shockwave no
[07:11] <setite>  sudo dpkg -i opera.deb
[07:11] <setite> (Reading database ... 61719 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:11] <setite> Preparing to replace opera 7.54-20041210.5 (using opera.deb) ...
[07:11] <setite> Unpacking replacement opera ...
[07:11] <setite> Setting up opera (7.54-20041210.5) ...
[07:11] <setite> whoops
[07:11] <murtaza> techn9ne, oj
[07:11] <wolfsong> calc: where does it load from?
[07:11] <setite> didnt think it would flood sorry
[07:11] <setite> does that mean its intalled?
[07:11] <murtaza> techn9ne, ok
[07:11] <wolfsong> my bios is ignoring the CD set to boot first
[07:11] <bob2> setite: yes
[07:11] <calc> wolfsong: the boot sector
[07:11] <setite> it just said setting up and gave me another prompt
[07:11] <setite> ok cool
[07:11] <wolfsong> well something is weird
[07:11] <setite> now for the video drivers
[07:11] <wolfsong> i can't boot from the CD anymore
[07:12] <calc> wolfsong: its a bios problem most likely, grub just installs into the boot sector on the hd
[07:12] <f00f> umm does ubuntu include PPPoE? and is it configured automatically?
[07:12] <bob2> daniels: how does windows handle all those broken vbe things? special-case-o-matic?
[07:12] <bob2> f00f: yes, no
[07:12] <wolfsong> i've checked the bios
[07:12] <bob2> f00f: run 'sudo pppoeconf'
[07:12] <f00f> bob2, ok cool
[07:12] <f00f> bob2, thx :)
[07:12] <wolfsong> boot order is fine
[07:12] <setite> nomasteryoda - this patch in source?
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:12] <setite> ok
[07:13] <setite> i saw .c and said uh oh
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> easy thoug
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> make sudo
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> make install
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> follow the Readme file
[07:13] <setite> hmmm we'll see how easily this noob can fumble through this
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> you can do it
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> I could live with the VESA 800x600 which SuSE dumped me into, but why?
[07:14] <setite> nope....
[07:15] <setite> i went to the instructions.. i dotn even get it
[07:15] <setite> and its says xorg this and that... isnt wart xfree86?
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> setite, it should work for warty too
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> i did it on my warty as well
[07:15] <zenrox> setite,  thay are talken about hoary
[07:15] <setite> yea if i can figure out how to tailor the directions
[07:16] <setite> should i get 2.6.9?
[07:16] <bob2> why don't one of you guys produce an X package with that patch?
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> wish i could
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> setite, i'm using 2.6.8
[07:17] <wolfsong> any suggestions?
[07:17] <techn9ne> 2.6.10 just came out
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:17] <zenrox> techn9ne,  an an switching now
[07:17] <techn9ne> i dunno id rather wait for ubuntu to test it and package it
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> but i hate reconfiguring my vmware
[07:17] <setite> hmmmm maybe i should just stick with this resolution
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> it hurt my eyes
[07:17] <techn9ne> i dont have a desire to wait to compile stuff and try and reconfigure stuff on my own
[07:17] <setite> no i think i will... until i can muster up the energy to try this
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> just bookmark that site
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> when you want to run GL apps, you will install it
[07:18] <setite> "In '855resolution.c' I had to change
[07:18] <setite> *bios_type = -1;
[07:18] <setite> to
[07:18] <setite> *bios_type = 0;
[07:18] <setite> Then I just installed the thing with 'make ; make install'
[07:18] <setite> I then added
[07:18] <setite> /usr/sbin/855resolution 3c 1400 1050"
[07:18] <setite> bla bla bla... does this patch already have that done
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> when you do make
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> then make install
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> it will
[07:19] <setite> well i still dont see how to make install
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> open root terminal
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> sudo make install
[07:19] <zenrox> or do sudo make install
[07:20] <setite> In '855resolution.c' I had to change
[07:20] <setite> *bios_type = -1;
[07:20] <setite> to
[07:20] <setite> *bios_type = 0;
[07:20] <setite> Then I just installed the thing with 'make ; make install'
[07:20] <setite> I then added
[07:20] <setite> /usr/sbin/855resolution 3c 1400 1050
[07:20] <setite> shit
[07:20] <setite> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.   I'm using Gaim right now and have tried AMSN.
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> setite, it should already be there, but if not..yes
[07:22] <techn9ne> Basttrax, i like gaim
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> ic 845G, 855G 865G in that bios.c
[07:23] <techn9ne> never used amsn
[07:23] <setite> well where
[07:23] <techn9ne> kopete is good for kde
[07:23] <setite> there are several instances of the phrase
[07:23] <Basttrax> using it right now?
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> change the 845
[07:23] <techn9ne> kopete is better than gaim in my opinion
[07:23] <Basttrax> can I run it on Ubuntu Gnome?
[07:23] <setite> oh so i gotta find 845
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> small file
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> switch (chipset) {
[07:23] <nomasteryoda>         case 0x25608086:
[07:23] <nomasteryoda>             printf("845G\n");
[07:24] <techn9ne> ummm yea i dont know what it would look like work like in gnome
[07:24] <Basttrax> Do you think apt-get will have it?
[07:24] <techn9ne> its part of kde
[07:24] <techn9ne> i think if you get kde it comes w/ it
[07:24] <techn9ne> gaim 1.0 is pretty good
[07:24] <setite> nope... i give up
[07:24] <techn9ne> i mean 1.1
[07:24] <techn9ne> gaim 1.1
[07:24] <techn9ne> http://kopete.kde.org/
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> setite, ok... when you want help, we'll be here
[07:24] <setite> gaim is nice
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> yes it is
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> i hate the Yim
[07:25] <Basttrax> Oh while i'm here how the heck do I update my Gaim. I'm at 1.0 and have tried atp-get and that package manager. no dice.
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> but gaim, yes
[07:25] <techn9ne> Basttrax, you gotta add backport ot yoru sources list
[07:25] <setite> thanks yoda... yea this is just a little frustrating after a day of fighting windows to get it to defragment and then the long ubuntu install
[07:25] <techn9ne> Basttrax, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[07:26] <Basttrax> backport eh
[07:26] <Basttrax> I'll take a look
[07:26] <setite> i mean you may recall what time is set out to install ubuntu
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> setite, np
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> welcome
[07:26] <xhypno> Hey All!  I did a Force verison on gaim in the Package manager.
[07:31] <Basttrax> Hello?
[07:32] <thully> Hi - just one quick request - cound someone send me the default /etc/fonts/local.conf for a desktop PC (not a laptop)?
[07:32] <thully> from Hoary
[07:32] <Basttrax> How can i tell what version i'm running of ubuntu
[07:33] <techn9ne> uname -a i think
[07:33] <Basttrax> oh you came back
[07:33] <Basttrax> The Gaim thing worked. Thanks
[07:33] <techn9ne> backport?
[07:34] <Basttrax> I've only been using Ubuntu for like 5 days now I believe.
[07:34] <techn9ne> Basttrax: like it?
[07:34] <Basttrax> It's a huge transition from Windows.
[07:34] <Basttrax> Love it
[07:34] <techn9ne> yea my friend always calls me about his iwndows problems
[07:34] <techn9ne> registry, viruses, spyware
[07:34] <mark0> anyone here a ubuntu/ppc guru?
[07:34] <Basttrax> lol
[07:34] <techn9ne> im just like geez
[07:34] <techn9ne> defrag
[07:34] <Basttrax> yeah. thats kind of why i moved to ubuntu
[07:35] <techn9ne> it has its quirks but its a lot easier to get help and figure them out
[07:36] <mark0> after booting from the cd and installing, i get a kernel panic no console found upon reboot
[07:37] <Lin> hi all!!
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> hey
[07:37] <xhypno> Hi
[07:37] <thully> anybody have /etc/fonts/local.conf from Ubuntu Hoary on a desktop system?  I need this specific file from a desktop.
[07:37] <Lin> I have a little problem using nvidia-glx drivers with ubuntu xorg. I'm using hoary updated yesterday.
[07:39] <xhypno> Anyone here use 3ddesktop
[07:40] <xhypno> I get the following errors:
[07:40] <xhypno> get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one
[07:40] <xhypno> get property WIN_WORKSPACE_COUNT failed - setting one
[07:40] <xhypno> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:40] <xhypno> 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!
[07:40] <xhypno> I am running a Compaq 1516US laptop with an ATI340m video chipset
[07:40] <xhypno> (Radeon 9000)
[07:44] <xhypno> Anyone????
[07:44] <f00f> whatsup?
[07:44] <Lin> The problem is the following: I have compiled nvidia module using nvidia-kernel-source ubuntu package, with make-kpkg binary modules. Everything compiled fine. And the program versions are the following: nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.6629-0ubuntu10, X.ORg 6.8.1-1ubuntu8, but when I start X, I recieve the following error.. Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.6629, but this X module is version 1.0.6111. But X isn't more smart them me.. I have comp
[07:44] <f00f> YIKES!!!!!!!
[07:44] <f00f> long one :)
[07:45] <Lin> xhypno: glxgears run in your system?
[07:45] <f00f> Lin, hmm... perhaps you should install the X one from the site
[07:45] <xhypno> no
[07:46] <Lin> xhypno: you shoul reread the documentation about radeon module installation. I haven't one.. can't help.. sorry
[07:46] <Lin> f00f: which site?
[07:46] <f00f> http://nvidia.com
[07:46] <Lin> f00f: I running xorg from ubuntu repositories
[07:46] <Lin> f00f: I don't think that is a nvidia module problem...
[07:46] <drspin> Lin: there's a second part to that driver - but I can't remember what it was...
[07:47] <Lin> drspin: nvidia driver?
[07:47] <drspin> Lin: Yes, han gon
[07:48] <Lin> f00f, drspin, I always used debian way to compile nvidia drivers. The problem happened in 6629 version.. I really think that is a ubuntu package bug (in xorg)... But I will try the "official" nvidia drivers.
[07:48] <xhypno> brb, have to reboot, just reinstalled the ATI drivers.
[07:49] <drspin> Lin: Worked for me with a similar problem in SuSe
[07:49] <drspin> Lin: Good Luck
[07:49] <Lin> The funny thing is.... root can start X.. normal users dont... even Nvidia logo shows up.. :X
[07:50] <Lin> but it says: dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv000790gl
[07:52] <drspin> Lin: perhaps it's a permissions issue in the libs somewhere ??
[07:54] <Lin> drspin: -rw-r--r--  1 root root 7190068 2004-12-26 00:37 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.6629
[07:54] <drspin> Lin: I was meaning the libs that is linked against... if any ? (I'm just taking a total shot in the dark on this one)
[07:55] <Lin> drspin: hmm.. okz
[07:55] <Lin> brb
[07:57] <setite> hey everyone im havign troubles
[07:57] <setite> make -C /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/setite/dripkg/agpgart-2.0 modules
[07:57] <setite> make: *** /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[07:57] <setite> make: *** [default]  Error 2
[07:57] <setite> Makefile.linux:139: *** Cannot find a kernel config file.  Stop.
[07:57] <setite> where do i get those...
[07:57] <setite> kernel sources
[07:58] <drspin> LOL
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> going to hit the hay
[07:59] <setite> have fun yoda
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> setite, be back later tomorrow
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> you go man
[07:59] <setite> yea
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> you to man
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> tire
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> d
[07:59] <setite> in an hour i go to work
[07:59] <setite> but im tired too
[07:59] <xed> I'm back =(
[07:59] <xed> I suck
[08:00] <drspin> setite: if you search for kernel in synaptic you might find what you're looking for
[08:00] <setite> yea i need the linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[08:00] <setite> right?
[08:00] <drspin> In exactly 4 hours I get up to go to work :/
[08:00] <bob2> setite: what are you trying to do?
[08:00] <drspin> setite... uname -r in the console
[08:00] <setite> install a driver
[08:00] <bob2> if it's "build a module", you don't need the kernel source
[08:01] <setite> well what do i need then
[08:01] <setite> Compiling new agpgart module...
[08:01] <setite> ERROR: AGPGART module did not compile
[08:01] <setite> Compiling DRM module...
[08:01] <drspin> setite: did you already try the BinaryDrivers on the Wiki?
[08:01] <Amroc> lamont, what did you say?
[08:01] <setite> ERROR: Kernel modules did not compile
[08:01] <bob2> linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:01] <setite> no i didnt
[08:01] <xed> How do I configure my wireless card to work with Ubuntu?
[08:01] <bob2> also, DRI stuff ships with ubuntu
[08:01] <bob2> xed: please check the FAQ
[08:02] <Lin> Some progress happened here...
[08:02] <setite> is there a binary driver for this
[08:02] <xed> bob2: thank you
[08:02] <bob2> DRI stuff comes with ubuntu already
[08:02] <bob2> Lin: you're the author of lincity?
[08:02] <Lin> Now it start nvidia module.. but: (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX ...
[08:03] <Lin> bob2: ...
[08:03] <daniels> Lin: are you running hoary?
[08:03] <Lin> bob2: no ;-)
[08:03] <Lin> daniels: yes!
[08:03] <setite> what is DRI
[08:03] <daniels> Lin: it's broken.
[08:03] <bob2> setite: what are you trying to do?
[08:03] <Lin> Direct rendering interface
[08:03] <setite> get better resolutions
[08:03] <Lin> daniels: nvidia-glx? or Xorg?
[08:03] <setite> the highest i have is 1024x768./.. i know it can go higher
[08:03] <xed> bob2: it only says that with the wep encryption
[08:04] <daniels> Lin: xorg, but the only thing it's broken with is loading nvidia-glx
[08:04] <bob2> xed: says what?
[08:04] <xed> It shows here "No Wireless Devices" .. does that mean nothing in range.. or..?
[08:04] <Lin> daniels: using debian (official) nvidia-glx should help?
[08:04] <bob2> xed: that means you haven't set it up
[08:04] <bob2> xed: you read the wireless howto thing on the website?
[08:04] <xed> Where's that? O.O
[08:05] <bob2> linked from the FAQ, iirc
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> bob2, setite is referring to this site and my lug site ... to go to 1400x1050 res... http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apoirier/
[08:05] <daniels> Lin: no.
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> nite
[08:05] <Lin> daniels: to the hell!! :-(
[08:05] <Lin> daniels: I really want to play doom 3
[08:05] <setite> yea that thing
[08:06] <daniels> there are easily-findable workarounds
[08:06] <xed> thats another question
[08:06] <xed> How do I go about playing games?
[08:06] <Lin> daniels: point me a url ;-D
[08:06] <xed> (Completely new to linux as you can tell.)
[08:06] <wolfsong> i have a debian boot floopy. how can i use it to format my hdd?
[08:06] <setite> ok ive had enough... ill take another shot tomorrow
[08:07] <xed> bob2: I don't see any 'How-to' to set up the wireless card.
[08:08] <xed> nevermind, got it
[08:09] <Lin> daniels: installing from nvidia official driver solve the problem?
[08:09] <daniels> Lin: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=ubuntu+hoary+6629+broken+fix&btnG=Search&meta=
[08:09] <daniels> Lin: no, no matter which version of nvidia-glx you install, it will be broken, until you try the workaround.
[08:10] <Lin> I will ready now!! thank you
[08:10] <xed> bob2, you there?
[08:10] <bob2> yes.
[08:11] <xed> bob2, this documentation assumes that ubuntu sees the card.
[08:11] <xed> But it says here "No Wireless Devices"
[08:11] <bob2> yes, you need to find the driver
[08:12] <bob2> you haven't told us which chipset your card uses, tho
[08:12] <xed> chipset?
[08:12] <xed> Err..
[08:12] <xed> Atheros Super-G
[08:12] <bob2> do you have the atheros drivers installed?
[08:12] <bob2> they're in the linux-restricted-modules package or so
[08:12] <xed> I wouldn't know.  Completely new to this
[08:13] <xed> Yeah, I know all the drivers are there (learned that yesterday ...) but I need to know how to ..err.. access them..
[08:13] <bob2> what sort of ccard is it? mini-pci? pcmcia? usb?
[08:14] <xed> Its built-in.
[08:14] <bob2> does 'lsmod | grep ath' print anything?
[08:15] <xed> nothing
[08:16] <bob2> are you sure it's a atheros card?
[08:16] <xed> Atheros Super-G
[08:16] <xed> Yes, pretty sure.
[08:17] <xed> There's a sticker on the laptop for it.  I remember seeing something yesterday, instead of it saying "No Wireless Devices" yesterday, it said "ath0" there..
[08:17] <bob2> is this a thinkpad, perchance?
[08:18] <xed> no
[08:18] <xed> Toshiba Satellite A70
[08:18] <bob2> anyway, tryu 'sudo modprobe ath_hal' and see if it helps
[08:19] <xed> "FATAL: Module ath_hal not found.
[08:19] <xed> "
[08:21] <xed> I'm guessing it doesn't see it to be there.
[08:21] <xed> bob2: Any solutions?
[08:21] <setite> damn... opera either didnt install right or is not going to show up in the gnome menu
[08:21] <drspin> night all ;)
[08:21] <setite> how do i see if its installed
[08:22] <drspin> Opera won't show up in the Gnome Menu...
[08:22] <setite> damn opera
[08:22] <drspin> you'll have to add it manually...
[08:22] <drspin> or make a Launcher for it on the deskbar
[08:22] <drspin> g'night!
[08:22] <setite> how do i do that
[08:22] <setite> nite
[08:22] <drspin> "opera &" should launch it
[08:23] <drspin> right click on the dekbar, go to add, application launcher, custom application and fill in the boxes
[08:23] <drspin> night!
[08:24] <xed> bob2: Are you still there?
[08:24] <xed> crimsun, you there?
[08:24] <setite> yay
[08:24] <setite> google is fast
[08:25] <setite> i mean opera
[08:25] <setite> im sorry but firefox seemed slower than MSIE
[08:25] <Lin> daniels: the ln solution didn't work here :-(
[08:25] <xed> mozzilla owns.
[08:26] <crimsun> xed: ?
[08:26] <xed> crimsun..!
[08:26] <Lin> daniels: I didn't have restricted-modules package installed (I compile nvidia drivers by myself)
[08:26] <xed> I need more of your help =(
[08:26] <xed> You seem to be real good with getting things fixed..and working.
[08:26] <setite> ok help me first... itll take less time
[08:27] <setite> i cant find where to add
[08:28] <Lin> daniels: now I solved it.. GLX didn't work with composite module loaded (but worked in the past).
[08:28] <xed> crimsun, are you at work again?
[08:28] <Lin> daniels, thank you for help! :-D
[08:28] <crimsun> xed: yes.
[08:28] <xed> ah, poop.
[08:28] <xed> I need help getting my wifi card working =(
[08:30] <xed> crimsun, think you could help me out?
[08:31] <xed> bob2, I'm guessing you gave up on me?
[08:31] <crimsun> xed: I'm not familiar with wireless on Linux.
[08:31] <xed> oh man.. thats really gotta suck =(
[08:32] <xed> for me..
[08:32] <xed> Okay, then quick question crimsun...
[08:32] <xed> Say I use the ethernet connection at my uni to connect, do I need to reconfigure anything....?
[08:32] <xed> (At the moment, I'm connecting from home)
[08:33] <crimsun> xed: if you didn't hard-code anything, dhcp will configure everything for you.
[08:33] <xed> hard-code?
[08:33] <xed> You mean manually configure it?
[08:34] <xed> Hmm... yeah, its on Automatic DHCP.
[08:34] <xed> Thanks a lot crimsun, remind me to pay you within the week or something for all the help you gav eme.
[08:34] <xed> gave me*
[08:34] <xed> Anyone else here familiar with wireless card configuration?
[08:35] <roror> hi all
[08:35] <bob2> what have you changed since it las worked?
[08:35] <xed> bob2.. err..
[08:35] <xed> Yesterday I spent like 4 hours talking to crimsun getting help, but I don't think it had anything to do with the Wireless Network card.
[08:36] <bob2> you said that it once worked
[08:36] <bob2> what have you changed since then?
[08:36] <bob2> new kernel?
[08:36] <xed> well I am not certain it worked..
[08:36] <xed> Most likely.. I don't know
[08:36] <xed> Let me ask crimsun.. heh
[08:36] <bob2> moved to hoary?
[08:36] <bob2> etc.
[08:36] <crimsun> he just installed warty yesterday.
[08:37] <bob2> xed: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[08:37] <xed> bob2: It prints out '<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp'
[08:37] <crimsun> from his dmesg and /proc/interrupts output that we used to get ALSA 1.0.7 working, it appears his hardware is recognised; he only needs to configure the conffiles, iwconfig, and whatnot
[08:37] <roror> i have a few questions about the ubuntu repository
[08:38] <roror> i mean the apt repository
[08:38] <roror> is it same as the general debian repository ?
[08:38] <bob2> roror: no
[08:38] <roror> or do they have a different repository?
[08:38] <bob2> and please don't mix them
[08:38] <wolfsong> any suggestions on how i can format my hard drive with only a linux boot rescue disk?
[08:38] <bob2> wolfsong: why do you want to do that?
[08:39] <bob2> xed: install linux-restricted-modules-686-smp
[08:39] <roror> so .. i can't / shouldn't use debian repository?
[08:39] <crimsun> wolfsong: if the rescue disk has cfdisk or fdisk, that's all you need
[08:39] <xed> bob2: You have to keep in mind .. I'm completely new to this
[08:39] <bob2> roror: yes. please read about the universe portion of the ubuntu repository
[08:39] <roror> i am just finding out about ubuntu/debian package repositories
[08:39] <xed> How would I go about doing this, bob2?
[08:40] <bob2> xed: you haven't installed any packages at all?
[08:40] <MyKq3> can i upgrade my ubuntu to debian
[08:40] <xed> By blindly following crimsun's instructions, I have.
[08:40] <bob2> MyKq3: you'd need to be more specific
[08:40] <wolfsong> bob2: becuase grub has hosed my system and i can no longer boot from CD
[08:41] <xed> bob2, so.. where would I begin?
[08:41] <bob2> wolfsong: grub has nothing to do with booting from cd
[08:41] <roror> ok .. is there a way i can brwose the universe repository from the web? i am at a different comp now
[08:41] <bob2> xed: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:41] <wolfsong> crimsun: how do i get to a prompt
[08:41] <crimsun> xed: just open a terminal and follow bob2's instructions: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-686-smp
[08:41] <bob2> roror: no, sorry
[08:41] <bob2> roror: what are you trying to do?
[08:41] <MyKq3> i want to make my Ubuntu to debian via apt-get for e.g.
[08:41] <bob2> roror: it has 12 000 packages in it, a list won't be useful
[08:41] <bob2> MyKq3: why?
[08:41] <xed> Gotta remember 'sudo apt-get'
[08:41] <xed> What does 'apt-get' mean?
[08:41] <MyKq3> cuse iwant to
[08:41] <roror> bob2: checking out the package availabilities .. how recent and such
[08:42] <bob2> man apt-get
[08:42] <bob2> it's Ubuntu (and Debian's) mid-level package management tool
[08:42] <xed> oh right, man..
[08:42] <xed> I remember man.
[08:42] <roror> bob2: i'd look for particular packages and see how upto date they are .. thats all
[08:42] <xed> Its doing it's thing.
[08:42] <wolfsong> bob2: so i keep hearing but to install ubuntu i booted from the CD and now after the install i can no longer do so
[08:42] <xed> Its done.
[08:42] <bob2> MyKq3: then you can twiddle your sources.list, but Debian nor Ubuntu will be able to help you when it breaks horribly
[08:42] <bob2> xed: now try 'sudo modprobe ath_hal'
[08:43] <xed> No output.
[08:43] <MyKq3> hum... thask
[08:43] <bob2> MyKq3: why do you want to do this, anyway?
[08:43] <xed> bob2: Didn't show anything
[08:43] <bob2> xed: now try whatever you were trying before that gave an error baout no devices found
[08:43] <roror> Also, i heard from ppl that ubuntu is a gentler introduction to debian .. i am just verifying how true that is
[08:43] <xed> You did that. -_-
[08:43] <xed> Or told me to do something
[08:43] <wolfsong> roror: it hasn't been for me
[08:44] <lilubu> what are peoples thoughts on using ubuntu as a base for study for LPI certification ?
[08:44] <roror> wolfsong: meaning ? do you find it hard ?
[08:44] <MyKq3> cuse i my network conf. has changed by it self and i can't find were and i can't reconfigure it ( nor on the relavent files and nor via ifcongif )
[08:44] <spikeb> eh
[08:44] <spikeb> it's like sarge, without any packages.
[08:44] <roror> so far in my experience .. ubuntu has been "easy as a pie" .. but, i am limited by how much i know of debian
[08:45] <bob2> xed: I don't know what you ran to get that error
[08:45] <xed> bob2: "sudo modprobe ath_hal" <-- That was giving me the "FATAL: Module ath_hal not found." error before I installed what you told me to.
[08:45] <bob2> lilubu: if Debian is suitable, then ubuntu will be too
[08:45] <bob2> wolfsong: I cannot imagine a way it could be involved.  you really changed *nothing* else?
[08:45] <MyKq3> bob2,  i really love Ubuntu but it some times have really strange fucks
[08:45] <bob2> MyKq3: er, how on eart
[08:45] <bob2> h could switching to Debian fix that?
[08:45] <MyKq3> oops sorrk about the (fUXXx)
[08:46] <bob2> xed: that's now what I'm refering to
[08:46] <MyKq3> i don't
[08:46] <xed> Want me to do it again?
[08:46] <MyKq3> i m aboutt o install debian
[08:46] <bob2> xed: guess I misread you earlier.  now try continuing with the howto page.
[08:46] <MyKq3> and i wonderd if i have a easyer way yo do it ,,,,
[08:46] <bob2> MyKq3: if your 'network conf. has changed by it self', then edit /etc/network/interfaces and fix it
[08:46] <MyKq3> i have
[08:46] <crimsun> wolfsong: what rescue disk are you using?
[08:46] <xed> bob2: Just to make sure that I'm reading the correct 'how to' page.. .. is the following the correct page? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view?searchterm=wireless
[08:46] <MyKq3> bob2,  it was okay in the 1st place
[08:47] <bob2> xed: yes.
[08:47] <MyKq3> so does /ect/network/interface
[08:47] <bob2> ?
[08:47] <bob2> what *exactly* isn't working?
[08:48] <xed> bob2: Still no wlan0 available in the Networking area...
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: dpkg -l wireless-tools|grep ^ii
[08:48] <bob2> xed: 'networking area'? you're using some gui tool?
[08:48] <MyKq3> i can't connect to my rouuter via my networkcard
[08:48] <xed> ...
[08:48] <xed> crimsun, doing so now
[08:48] <xed> bob2: was following instructions on the 'how-to' page =(
[08:49] <xed> crimsun, did what you told me.
[08:49] <bob2> crimsun: ubuntu-base Depends on that
[08:49] <MyKq3> my betworkcard just stopted one day to b connected
[08:49] <crimsun> bob2: thanks
[08:49] <crimsun> xed: have you configured your wireless router as an open network?
[08:50] <bob2> MyKq3: you need to be a lot less vague
[08:50] <crimsun> xed: (this is straight off the WiFiHowto)
[08:50] <bob2> MyKq3: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood, along with the output of 'ip a' and 'ip r'
[08:50] <xed> Impossible crimsun, I don't even see that anywhere
[08:51] <crimsun> xed: the paragraph directly above the second main heading (Using Graphical User Interface Tools)
[08:51] <MyKq3> gemme a sec
[08:52] <wolfsong> crimsun: i have a debian rescue
[08:53] <MyKq3> bob2, done
[08:53] <crimsun> wolfsong: then when it boots, you should have either a busybox environment, or you should be able to press alt+F2 to activate a busybox environment
[08:53] <xed> So wait wait-- what if I want to connect to a different wireless network.. at my uni?
[08:53] <MyKq3> bob2,  i can'r ip a or r cuse i need to load ubuntu .... wich means that i need to exit windows now...
[08:53] <crimsun> xed: 'Automatic (DHCP)' takes care of that
[08:54] <crimsun> xed: just as it takes care of your wired (eth0) connection
[08:54] <wolfsong> crimsun: the first time i got a boot prompt now it boots to the hdd
[08:54] <MyKq3> which*
[08:54] <xed> Permission denied when I tried to get wlan0 up. =(
[08:55] <xed> ifup: failed to open statefile /etc/network/ifstate: Permission denied
[08:55] <bob2> MyKq3: yes
[08:55] <xed> oh wait--
[08:55] <xed> sudo
[08:55] <bob2> yes
[08:55] <xed> sudo == admin user right?
[08:56] <xed> sudo ifup wlan0
[08:56] <xed> Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[08:56] <xed> What does that mean?
[08:56] <MyKq3> bob2,  what yes ....  do wantme  to load ubuntu now ?,,.,, and u will wait here in the mintime ?
[08:57] <xed> What does that mean? "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." ???
[08:58] <mifune> ok. another n00b question. how do i install a soundcard? yesterday i installed ubuntu but my soundcard wasnt installed automaticely
[08:58] <MyKq3> brb
[08:58] <wolfsong> crimsun: sorry it actually stops at the boot: prompt if you type something but proceeds if you don't
[08:58] <wolfsong> can you give me the command again?
[08:59] <xed> bob2, do I have to down my eth0 connection if I want to use wireless?
[09:00] <bob2> x`
[09:00] <bob2> xed: no
[09:00] <xed> Then... why does it say "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." ?
[09:00] <bob2> you want to use dhcp on wlan0?
[09:00] <xed> unknown interface?
[09:00] <bob2> because wlan0 isn't in /etc/network/interfaces, I'd assume
[09:00] <bob2> I have no idea what silly stuff whatever gui tool you're using does, sorry
[09:00] <xed> I'm not using a gui tool!
[09:00] <xed> I'm using the terminal.. =/
[09:01] <bob2> is it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:01] <bob2> does 'sudo dhclient wlan0' do anything?
[09:01] <xed> Is what in /etc/network/intefaces /
[09:01] <bob2> the wlan0 interface
[09:02] <xed> bob2: http://pastebin.com/193871
[09:02] <bob2> please use #flood
[09:02] <xed> what's... #flood?
[09:02] <bob2> a channel
[09:02] <xed> Yes, I know that much..
[09:03] <xed> I don't know if thats a smart idea..
[09:03] <bob2> a channel to paste things into
[09:03] <bob2> why?
[09:03] <xed> oh, okay then
[09:03] <bob2> also, isn't the interface called ath0?
[09:03] <xed> It SHOULD be called that
[09:03] <xed> Would you like me to visually show you what I'm talking about when I say it says 'No Wireless Devices' ?
[09:04] <bob2> no
[09:04] <bob2> what do you mean 'should'?
[09:04] <bob2> the atheros drivers create interfaces called athN, afaik
[09:04] <xed> I don't know.. but it showed ath0 yesterday in place of 'No Wireless Devices'.
[09:05] <bob2> dude
[09:05] <bob2> why are you using wlan0 anywhere then?
[09:05] <xed> at university
[09:05] <xed> Want to be able to use their Wireless Network...
[09:06] <crimsun> xed: paste your /etc/networking/interfaces in #flood
[09:06] <xed> err..