[00:07] <DenBeiren> i'll be looking into it tomorrow with a fresh mind,.. 02:00 here atm
[00:07] <sarnold> DenBeiren: not a bad idea. good luck. :)
[00:07] <DenBeiren> tia
[00:24] <hehe> fixed
[00:24] <hehe> sarnold: I missed some server blocks
[00:24] <hehe> now works
[00:24] <hehe> ::)
[00:27] <sarnold> hehe: excellent :)
[00:29] <hehe> its like a girl
[00:29] <hehe> once put 100% in it
[00:29] <hehe> often yields
[00:29] <hehe> :D
[00:31] <hehe> listen to men to become hero and women will love you
[00:31] <hehe> omg so simple :D
[04:43] <rostam> HI is there a support for systemTap on ubuntu? thx
[04:43] <freeflying> rostam: Depends on what do you mean by support
[04:44] <rostam> freeflying,  debian package to start with.
[04:44] <freeflying> rostam: Then yes
[04:44] <rostam> freeflying,  thx
[04:45] <freeflying> rostam: There also are articles on wiki you may refer to
[04:45] <rostam> freeflying, thank you.
[04:45] <freeflying> Np
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:08] <dodgerblue> hello, I have a question about timers on 12.04 - I can't seem to get the high resolution timers working
[07:09] <dodgerblue> I enabled CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS in the kernel, yet /proc/timer_list displays 3 clocks for each of the 4 cpus, each clock having 4000000 nsecs freq
[07:09] <dodgerblue> I am running on an Intel i5
[07:10] <dodgerblue> grepping dmesg for "/dev/rtc" or "high resolution" yields nothing
[07:12] <dodgerblue> any suggestion of related things I could look at, or how I can debug this is very much appreciated, thanks!
[08:48]  * [gnubie] waves
[08:49] <[gnubie]> [OT] any recommended enterprise SSD that is fully supported by smartmontools? thanks.
[09:22] <ServerSage> Hey folks, a few hours ago I ran 'sudo do-release-upgrade' and things were flying along.  About 10 minutes ago it go to the mdadm stuff and has hung on "Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin".  The load is 0, no CPU is being used, and there is no drive IO.  What does one do when this happens?  This is going from 13.10 to 14.04.
[09:27] <xnox> ServerSage: known bug, fixed in trusty-proposed. You are using grub1 still?
[09:27] <ServerSage> xnox: It would appear so.  I'm looking at the grub2 upgrade page right now.
[09:27] <xnox> bug #1285312
[09:27] <xnox> ServerSage: ^
[09:28] <ServerSage> That was actually the page that lead me to the upgrade page.  Hehe.
[09:28] <xnox> =)
[09:29] <xnox> ServerSage: in this current state you may want to kill mdadm postinst process, fetch mdadm from trusty-proposed and install that, and redo do-release-upgrade.
[09:29] <xnox> ServerSage: or upgrade to grub2.
[09:30] <ServerSage> xnox: I'll just upgrade to grub2.  I didn't realize it wasn't an automatic upgrade.  I can think of no reason to *not* upgrade at this point.
[09:30] <xnox> indeed.
[09:33] <ServerSage> That was the ticket.  Upgraded to grub2, and blamo - it's now past the mdadm stuff.
[10:07] <DarkStar1> Hi all. I setup anonymous upload for vsftpd server and created a subdir in ftp root dir. Now I want all files uploaded into that directory to have group rw perms
[10:07] <DarkStar1> How can I do this?
[10:53] <soren> DarkStar1: I'm pretty sure vsftpd lets you set a umask, doesn't it?
[10:54] <soren> DarkStar1: Ah, no, you want this: chown_upload_mode
[10:54] <soren> The file mode to force for chown()ed anonymous uploads. (Added in v2.0.6).
[10:54] <DarkStar1> soren: I saw the setting for local users. but not for anon
[10:55] <DarkStar1> soren: thanks
[10:55] <soren> np
[11:33] <pmatulis> morning
[11:34] <lordievader> Hey pmatulis, how are you?
[12:57] <Tazmain> hi all how do I get apache2 to redirect a url to another with a different port ?
[13:04] <InFierno> vhost :)
[13:06] <Tazmain> InFierno, vhost ? So what setup a redirect under apache2/sites-enabled  ? I tried that I keep getting a error saying the page does not exist
[14:36] <DonRichie> If I establish a connection via tcp. Which numbers are the Source and Destination port numbers? The port for the destination "Client->Server" ist clear. But which Source port the Client uses and on which ports the Server answers?
[14:37] <rbasak> smoser: I see utopic daily images, but they're not listed in http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.cloud:daily:download.json
[14:38] <DonRichie> Client->Server Source-Port: ? Destination-Port: App Port e.g. 80 for http ;;;   Server->Client: Source-Port: ?, Destination-Port: ?
[14:38] <rbasak> Do you need to amend your simplestreams generation stuff with knowledge of utopic?
[14:41] <smoser> rbasak, pushed to know about that. not sure it will actually fix the problem completely. utlemming would be able to watch that through thou.
[14:41] <rbasak> smoser: thanks!
[14:43] <smoser> rbasak, it looks (in local test here) that that will get data generated. next time that runs.
[14:43] <smoser> bad smoser for hard coding ubuntu releases. :-(
[14:45] <rbasak> OK. Thanks!
[14:45] <rbasak> smoser: use distro-info. That gets SRU'd every cycle.
[14:45] <rbasak> (well, distro-info-data does)
[14:45] <smoser> rbasak, yeah, i'm not sure why i didn't do that there.
[15:30] <BLZbubba> got a major major bug here in 14.04 - it is installing a package called "biosdevname" by default
[15:31] <BLZbubba> who is able to fix this?
[15:31] <BLZbubba> this is going to hose a lot of people
[15:34] <BLZbubba> looks like el7 has the same broken behavior, ugh
[15:34] <BLZbubba> at least they don't have upstart
[15:35] <ogra_> BLZbubba, send flowers to redhat ... iirc it was their idea
[15:35] <ogra_> https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/appe-Consistent_Network_Device_Naming.html
[15:38] <mdeslaur> BLZbubba: what's wrong with biosdevname?
[15:49] <ogra_> mdeslaur, all the scripts that work based on guessed dev names will break
[15:49] <K4k> Anyone know why I might be getting a message about needing to be +i in #ubuntu all of a sudden?
[15:52] <fun> :)
[15:52] <fun> why is ubuntu on +i?
[15:52] <K4k> yes
[15:52] <fun> and also any idea how I can check berkley db version?
[15:52] <K4k> I see that too
[15:52] <mdeslaur> ogra_: well, that's the real problem :)
[15:53] <ogra_> we should have kept aliases in place ;)
[15:53] <fun> or do they have channel  on irc?
[15:54] <fun> ???
[15:54] <fun> :)
[15:55] <fun> o well u seems as mad as ubuntu
[15:55] <fun> :D
[16:03] <Scunizi> I'm trying to create a txt file of just directory names and the subdirectory names that are underlying starting at a specific directory in my /home. No file names. Any suggestions welcome.
[16:04] <lordievader> Scunizi: Something with find and filtering for folders?
[16:05] <Scunizi> lordievader: or a ls command of some sort.. that's what I'm trying to figure out.  any ideas?
[16:06] <lordievader> Scunizi: [1] tells me -type d is an option for find. [1] http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-find-a-directory-linux-command/
[16:08] <Scunizi> lordievader: interesting I"ll give it a play.  my google-fu failed me this morning with this.
[16:49] <BLZbubba> mdeslaur: biosdevname is renaming all the interfaces from eth0.  it's tolerable if it is optional, but it is a horrible default setting
[16:49] <mdeslaur> BLZbubba: why is it horrible? it now matches the actual label on your server's port, and the device name no longer changes arbitrarily when you replace hardware
[16:49] <mdeslaur> BLZbubba: it's an improvement
[16:50] <mdeslaur> BLZbubba: you can boot with biosdevname=0 as a kernel parameter if you don't like it
[16:56] <patdk-wk> mdeslaur, if it did it reliably, sure
[16:57] <patdk-wk> but it keeps renaming everything to rename2 or rename3
[16:57] <mdeslaur> patdk-wk: have you filed a bug about that?
[16:57] <patdk-wk> yes
[16:57] <mdeslaur> what's the bug#?
[16:58] <patdk-wk> #1315218
[16:59] <patdk-wk> some kind of concurrency race condition
[16:59] <patdk-wk> causing a rename to fail, so it just leaves it in an odd state
[17:00] <mdeslaur> patdk-wk: if that's happening to you on 12.04, it has nothing to do with biosdevname
[17:00] <patdk-wk> no, didn't say biosdevname had anything to do with it
[17:00] <patdk-wk> the interface renaming does
[17:00] <patdk-wk> and 12.04 also renames interfaces, for it's persistant naming
[17:00] <mdeslaur> yes, that's normal, because it's matching mac addresses
[17:01] <patdk-wk> it's just, with 14.04 and biosdevname it happens a lot more often
[17:01] <patdk-wk> the failure is more consistant
[17:01] <patdk-wk> where in 12.04 it wasn't, as it was unlikely interfaces moved around that much
[17:01] <patdk-wk> till I did all those swaps and moves on my nic's atleast
[17:02] <patdk-wk> but the fix, is likely to be the same for both
[17:02] <xibalba> is `denyhosts` pkg no longer in the 14LTS repo?
[17:03] <mdeslaur> patdk-wk: I don't really understand...the behaviour you describe in the bug is perfectly normal and expected
[17:03] <mdeslaur> you definitely don't want a nic that got changed to assume the name of the nic it replaces
[17:03] <patdk-wk> that interfaces are named rename2 and rename3
[17:03] <mdeslaur> yeah, that's normal
[17:03] <patdk-wk> no, it's not
[17:03] <patdk-wk> if I say, I want this mac address to be eth1
[17:03] <patdk-wk> and this other mac to be eth2
[17:04] <patdk-wk> I would expect that to be the case
[17:04] <patdk-wk> not for it to be called, rename2
[17:04] <mdeslaur> patdk-wk: how are you setting that?
[17:04] <patdk-wk> 70-persistant-net.conf
[17:04] <patdk-wk> ubuntu set it up itself
[17:04] <patdk-wk> I removed eth0
[17:04] <patdk-wk> so then on boot, eth1 is now eth0, and eth2 is eth1
[17:05] <patdk-wk> and ubuntu fails to rename them how it used to be
[17:05] <patdk-wk> cause it cant rename eth0 to eth1, cause eth1 exists
[17:05] <patdk-wk> so it gets hung as rename2
[17:05] <patdk-wk> but eth1 gets renamed to eth2
[17:05] <patdk-wk> why this happens for 14.04, I dunno
[17:05] <patdk-wk> cause there is no naming conflict
[17:06] <patdk-wk> or, I'm assuming the rename conflict is the issue
[17:06] <mdeslaur> you shouldn't get ethX names at all with 14.04
[17:06] <patdk-wk> ya, on 14.04
[17:06] <patdk-wk> I should have, em0 and em1
[17:06] <mdeslaur> right
[17:06] <patdk-wk> but I get em1 and rename3
[17:06] <mdeslaur> but that's because you've removed em0, right?
[17:06] <patdk-wk> no
[17:06] <patdk-wk> new install on a new system
[17:07] <mdeslaur> you install 14.04 on a new system and one of your nics is called rename3?
[17:07] <patdk-wk> the whole udev renaming just doesn't seem to be as stable as it should be
[17:07] <patdk-wk> yes
[17:07] <patdk-wk> I had 4 nics in that system
[17:08] <patdk-wk> em0 em1 p5p0 and p5p1
[17:08] <mdeslaur> OK, I'll change your bug from "udev" to "systemd" because the udev package no longer exists.
[17:08] <mdeslaur> ok, so they got proper names
[17:08] <mdeslaur> then what, you rebooted and they change by themselves?
[17:08] <patdk-wk> except for the random rename3 one
[17:09] <patdk-wk> has happened on two systems, then I removed biosdevname to fix it
[17:09] <patdk-wk> then I had the issue on 12.04
[17:09] <patdk-wk> for 12.04, I just went in and undid all the mapping
[17:09] <patdk-wk> so atleast my systems could boot
[17:09] <mdeslaur> that's weird
[17:10] <patdk-wk> ya, something I should dig into
[17:10] <patdk-wk> but I have no mind set to do that, and not much knowledge of where to start
[17:10] <patdk-wk> as I normally care to find where the issue is, exactly
[17:11] <mdeslaur> there doesn't seem to be any other bugs about that issue, so perhaps it's related to something about your hardware configuration
[17:11] <patdk-wk> 12.04 are all vmware systems
[17:11] <patdk-wk> 14.04 where all read hardware, as I haven't started moving it into production yet
[17:11] <patdk-wk> real
[17:12] <mdeslaur> huh
[17:32] <xibalba> how can i login to root w/out a password? i copied my public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, but its still asking for a password on root, where no password is set
[17:34] <lordievader> xibalba: Does ~ refer to /root or to some user's home dir?
[17:34] <xibalba> root, yes
[17:34] <lordievader> xibalba: Is root login allowed in the sshd config?
[17:35] <xibalba> it is set as : PermitRootLogin without-password
[17:35] <xibalba> which i presume means keys are Ok
[17:35] <xibalba> reading the output on my client side of ssh -v
[17:36] <xibalba> oh well thats funky...my authorized_keys file is gone
[17:37] <xibalba> well that was a stupid issue
[17:37] <xibalba> resolved
[17:37] <lordievader> xibalba: Good to hear :)
[17:37] <xibalba> weird, i touched, then cat >, then chmod 600, logged out, tried key, no worky, check again, file gone
[17:37] <xibalba> gremlins are in the system
[17:38] <lordievader> Perhaps it was written to your standard user
[17:38] <xibalba> my 8192 key size is rediculous :)
[17:39] <patdk-wk> depends on it's usecase
[17:39] <xibalba> my personal shell boxes
[17:40] <xibalba> takes a few seconds to login
[17:41] <xibalba> i couldn't find the denyhosts pkg in the ubuntu14lts repo
[17:42] <xibalba> do you guys know of something else to use in its place?
[17:43] <lordievader> xibalba: Fail2ban.
[17:43] <xibalba> k
[17:45] <xibalba> hmm, trying to remembe rthe config for keys only
[17:46] <xibalba> PasswordAuthentication no
[17:47] <xibalba> coolio
[18:07] <sarkis> what does it mean when i see a version as 1:5.3.5-foobar in dpkg?
[18:07] <sarkis> 1: specifically
[18:08] <sarnold> sarkis: that's an epoch; it's introduced when version numbers of the underlying package have changed drastically enough that the packager needed to pick a new version number that is strictly larger than all the others
[18:08] <sarnold> sarkis: it is often introduced when a package switches from yyyymmddhhmm versioning to x.y.z versioning
[18:11] <patdk-wk> or if one wants to override the default ubuntu package
[18:11] <patdk-wk> like in ppa's
[18:12] <sarnold> hadn't thought of that. that seems a bit drastic compared to package pinning, but won't rely on setting up package pinning on each host..
[18:22] <patdk-wk> package pinning is too annoying for me
[18:23] <patdk-wk> I would have to pin the package on all of my systems
[18:23] <patdk-wk> easier to pin it in the ppa :)
[18:23] <sarnold> :)
[19:19] <rostam> hi I have installed ubuntu 12.04 LTS. The issue is I am not able to download any package from launchpad. I keep getting 403 error. Any help greatly appreciated. thx
[19:30] <patdk-wk> why would you be downloading stuff from launchpad?
[19:35] <rostam> patdk-wk I am trying to install "saltstack"
[19:42] <rberg_> rostam: did you add the ppa?
[19:43] <rberg_> eg 'apt-add-repository ppa:saltstack/salt'
[19:50] <rostam> rberg_, : yes I did add the ppa, and changed and add export https_proxy, I still get the same error.
[19:51] <rberg_> did you add it with apt-add-repo? or manually? I am trying to figure out if ther emight be a typo or something..
[19:52] <tgm4883> This could be the completely wrong way to go about this, but is there a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email address? I'm trying to get some info on landscape, and talked with some british lady at the end of april, but she has forgotten to email me the information
[19:52] <sarnold> rostam: I don't think apt-get uses the http_proxy environment variable, I think you need to set its proxy manually -- see apt.conf for details
[19:53] <rostam> sarnold,  thanks
[19:55] <sarnold> tgm4883: I believe this is the easiest way to get ahold of someone http://www.ubuntu.com/management/contact-us
[19:55] <tgm4883> sarnold: yea I did that, and that is how I got the original call from sales
[19:55] <tgm4883> I just want the info that we had discussed though :/
[19:55] <sarnold> tgm4883: oh :(
[19:55] <tgm4883> I suppose I could try that again
[19:56] <tgm4883> I think that they just forgot about me. I'm west coast USA, so when I talked to them it was like 6:00 PM their time
[19:56] <sarnold> we really ought to have someone over on our side of the world :)
[19:57] <tgm4883> yes, you would think there would be someone in the boston office at least
[19:58] <tgm4883> oh well, just filled out that form again, we'll see what happens
[19:58] <sarnold> thanks tgm4883
[20:10] <Lightsword> for provisioning a server I need to script the download of a file only available through a torrent, what would be the best way to do that?
[20:11] <bekks> Lightsword: Setup an ubuntu server and script your download?
[20:12] <Lightsword> bekks yeah, just wondering what the best torrent client for command line would be and if there is one that can autoterminate after downloading a single file
[20:12] <sarnold> Lightsword: hrm, it feels like there used to be 'dumb' bittorrent clients that could run just on a dumb terminal..
[20:13] <sarnold> Lightsword: I know you can configure rtorrent to quit after downloading but it may not run without a pty to connect to. :/
[20:14] <Lightsword> right now I'm trying to get it to work with transmission-cli but not sure how to have it auto-terminate
[20:15] <Lightsword> don't want it to be running in the background
[20:17] <roadmr> hello folks! I'm doing a utopic server installation over the network (pxe), but it's failing because it thinks mirror/suite is "trusty". I'm not setting mirror/suite in my preseed so maybe this is borked somewhere in the server daily image?
[20:18] <bekks> roadmr: current daily is trusty, actually.
[20:20] <roadmr> bekks: oh that would explain it :) that's odd though because the image already calls itself utopic: rsync://rsync.cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-server/daily/current/utopic-server-amd64.iso
[20:20] <roadmr> bekks: but I defer to your knowledge, if this is known/expected I can wait, just thought I'd mention this in case it's a bug that needs action
[20:21] <bekks> Why would that be an error at all?
[20:21] <sarnold> it makes testing utopic a little harder.. :)
[20:21] <bekks> There are no repos for utopic until now, arent they? :)
[20:21] <roadmr> bekks: 1) I download and try to install a utopic image, 2) it fails because it thinks it's trusty, 3) i can't really install
[20:22] <sarnold> at least some packages have already diverged, e.g. mariadb-5.5...
[20:23] <roadmr> bekks: again, at this point it's not a big deal, but it may be as simple as changing some strings from trusty to utopic in the image
[20:23] <bekks> That wont help, as long as there arent repos for utopic.
[20:24] <Lightsword> transmission-cli has a flag for running a script when it finishes downloading, is there a script that does the equivalent of ctrl-c to end the running application in the shell?
[20:25] <sarnold> Lightsword: there is probably an easier way to get it to die, but if you can't find one, pkill transmission-cli  will probably do it
[20:26] <roadmr> bekks: where will the utopic repos be when they become available?
[20:26] <bekks> On the official server, I guess.
[20:26] <sarnold> bekks: they've been live for a while http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[20:27] <bekks> Neat :)
[20:29] <bekks> Time to setup a test vm and fire up do-release-upgrade -d :)
[20:30] <sarnold> or try out the daily isos? :)
[20:31] <bekks> :P
[20:35] <rberg_> Lightsword: aria2 is something to look at as well
[20:41] <Lightsword> rberg, I think that works
[20:48] <illsci> hey whats up...
[20:48] <illsci> I'm getting an error trying to use the ubuntu ami's apt repos in aws...  I saw a post online that said there's someone in here that knows who talk to to get it fixed?
[20:48] <illsci> Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy-updates_main_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[20:49] <illsci> anyone know how to get this fixed...?
[20:52] <sarnold> illsci: are you using apt-cacher-ng?
[20:52] <illsci> no... just apt-get update
[20:52] <illsci> im not sure what that is
[20:53] <sarnold> illsci: apt-cacher-ng is a local cache; I ran it for a while, right up until it started returning corrupted archives all the time :/
[20:53] <sarnold> illsci: you'd probably know if you were running it
[20:54] <sarnold> illsci: thanks, it's being investigated :)
[20:55] <illsci> thanks!
[20:55] <jpds> sarnold: You don't use squid-deb-proxy ?
[20:56] <sarnold> jpds: I use squid-deb-proxy now :)
[20:56] <sarnold> jpds: I miss the handy little stats screen but I love the fact that it doesn't destroy my debs :)
[20:57] <jpds> Who needs debs anyway.
[21:00] <Patrickdk> heh, squid kills so many things
[21:00] <Patrickdk> sarnold, really?
[21:01] <Patrickdk> Ive been using apt-cacher-ng for since I dropped squid years ago
[21:01] <Patrickdk> been working great
[21:01] <sarnold> Patrickdk: acng worked fine for two or three releases and I didn't do much investigation, just switched to squid, and kept going...
[21:02] <dw1> /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf says ARRAY /dev/md1 UUID=xxxxx:xxxxx:xxxxx:xxxxx but the default in /etc/mdadm/mdadmconf set up by my provider is ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid1 num-devices=2 devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 -- unattended-upgrades warns me about my array UUID not existing in mdadm.conf .. so.. which is better?  the mkconf or the provider one?
[21:02] <dw1> is there any benefit to specifying the level, num-devices and devices explicitly?
[21:02] <patdk-lap> squid kept killing me on 10.04, changed out to apt-cacher-ng, haven't had any issues since
[21:03] <patdk-lap> dwl, to help it autodetect, if you use older version metadata
[21:04] <jpds> Patrickdk: I too switch from apt-cacher-ng (and seen so many problems with it with customers) to s-d-p.
[21:04] <dw1> patdk-lap: hmmm
[21:04] <sarnold> patdk-lap: when you get problems with it, here's the bug to me-too  :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-cacher-ng/+bug/1234946
[21:09] <patdk-lap> I only have that version installed in one place, here at home
[21:10] <patdk-lap> it's not overly used
[21:30] <illsci> its fixed... thanks!
[21:30] <pmatulis_> anyone else on trusty kvm host failing to have libvirt dnsmasq resolve guest names?
[21:31] <sarnold> pmatulis_: heh, I had that problem, but realized it was because I had taken libvirt's dnsmasq out of resolv.conf ages back and just hard-coded IP address in /etc/hosts. major egg on my face when my co-workers said it all worked for them. sigh. :)
[21:32] <pmatulis_> sarnold: but resolv.conf is not managed directly since precise
[21:35] <pmatulis_> sarnold: on my working saucy host i have static tcp address and dns-nameservers points to a dns server (so resolv.conf points to it).  on my busted trusty i am using dhcp and my resolv.conf contains <IP_ADDRESS>.  at any rate, 'host <guest name> <IP_ADDRESS>' does not work
[21:36] <patdk-lap> sarnold, maybe it's just fixed in 14.04? apt-cacher-ng is 7.26
[21:36] <patdk-lap> so far I haven't seen that issue at all
[21:36] <patdk-lap> any idea how to replicate it better?
[21:37] <patdk-lap> I normally update one machine at a time
[22:34] <Kawaiola> Has anyone had any problems connecting to the outside world after setting up a static ip
[22:35] <Kawaiola> I removed the DHCP packages and still can't get out
[22:36] <Ben64> sounds more like a networking problem than an ubuntu problem
[22:37] <Kawaiola> Ben64, Could very well be the ubuntu server I'm building is virtual could that be the issue
[22:38] <Kawaiola> Ben64, I can connect to the server ssh and see it on my network I only have issues connecting to the outside world.
[22:39] <Ben64> yes, could very well be the fact that it is a VM that is causing it. they normally have strange network setups and dhcp is the easiest way to get them working
[22:41] <Kawaiola> Ben64, Hmmmm I wonder if there are other packages I need to remove because I know you can't remove virtual packages you have to remove the packages they are linked too.
[22:42] <Kawaiola> Ben64, You think I need resolvconf?
[22:43] <Ben64> why are you removing a bunch of stuff anyway?
[22:47] <Kawaiola> Ben64, Well when I was looking on the internet they said there is a DHCP client that does DHCP no matter what which explained why my static interface would always fail when I would resart the network interfaces
[22:47] <dw1> how can I suppress the error message from unattended-upgrades about mdadm.conf not containing my raid array?  (the array is defined, but not using UUID that it checks for)
[22:47] <Kawaiola> Ben64, So then I removed the DHCP packages and the static IP took and I could connect to it on my network.
[22:48] <Ben64> ok, but why static ip on a VM anyway
[22:49] <Kawaiola> Ben64, Because it is still a server I will use to host web based applications.
[22:52] <Ben64> you should read more into the guide for whatever you're using to create the VM, I'm sure they have a big section on networking.
[22:53] <Kawaiola> Ben64, I run virtual windows servers and they work great I have dedicated linux servers that are wonderful but trying to make a virtual linux server seems to be difficult haha
[22:53] <Kawaiola> Ben64, yeah I'm doing that right now.
[22:58] <sarnold> pmatulis_: do you have a dnsmasq listening on e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>?
[22:58] <sarnold> patdk-lap: I quite often updated a dozen or so machines at once with my apt-cacher-ng
[23:00] <paco1> hello guys
[23:01] <paco1> on my servers i have 12.04. i migrated from 3.8 kernel to 3.11 kernel. So, how can i clean all from 3.8 kernel? it eats me some disk space.
[23:01] <paco1> thanks very much!
[23:02] <sarnold> paco1: apt-get purge linux-headers-<version> linux-image-<version> linux-image-extra-<version> for each version that you want removed
[23:02] <sarnold> paco1: I recommend keeping at least two versions installed -- at least the version you're currently running, and the newest -- or, if you're running the newest, then the newest and the next newest.
[23:03] <sarnold> having two kernels can help you recover from some kinds of accidents
[23:04] <paco1> sarnold: ok, but i want delete/remove completly the 3.8 kernel, i don't want more actualization of this kernel.
[23:04] <Ben64> then remove whichever packages you deem unnecessary
[23:06] <sarnold> paco1: ah, then you may also wish to remove the linux-source-3.8, linux-headers-3.8, linux-image-3.8, etc. packages
[23:06] <paco1> sarnold: one thing to move on a config file?
[23:07] <sarnold> paco1: more apt-get purge commands
[23:13] <pmatulis_> sarnold: yup
[23:13] <sarnold> pmatulis_: crazy, so it's listening but can't provide reasonable answers? ;/
[23:14] <pmatulis_> dnsmasq    2815 libvirt-dnsmasq    6u  IPv4  18611      0t0  UDP <IP_ADDRESS>:53
[23:14] <sarnold> pmatulis_: do you have lxc and libvirt installed at the same time? I found that gave me real issues in previous releases, I haven't been brave enough to try both again
[23:14] <pmatulis_> sarnold: indeed i do
[23:17] <paco1> sarnold: ok, thanks
[23:18] <sarnold> paco1: you're welcome :) have fun
[23:22] <pmatulis_> sarnold: and the resolution for containers works (dnsmasq server ip being <IP_ADDRESS>)
[23:24] <pmatulis_> stgraber: any idea? ↑


[00:18] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: does Alpha remind you of ArtArfon by any chance
[00:19] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: I don't recognize that nick off hand.
[00:20] <IdleOne> ok. well they seem to be quiet right now, let's see what happens.
[00:27] <Jordan_U> Looking at logs they seem very similar. Both talk about upstream contributions and called themselves "master".
[00:29] <ikonia> I'm going to be, exausted
[00:30] <bazhang> ikonia, exhausted?
[03:14] <IdleOne> Alpha is ArtArfon, ban evading.
[03:14] <bazhang> more nonsense
[03:14] <bazhang> IdleOne, from the BT?
[03:15] <IdleOne> yup, ban I set on him. same person 100% sure
[03:16] <IdleOne> tired of him, not putting up with this for a week. he has been told many times about the rules
[03:16] <bazhang> yeppers
[03:18] <bazhang> is roadcrosser the one asking for support with a custom redhat kernel?
[03:19] <IdleOne> don't know
[03:20] <bazhang> odd if so, as he does not even know basic bash
[05:32] <bazhang>  MasterX<EMAIL_ADDRESS> looks like artarfon or some such (lauterino perhaps)
[06:16] <rww> Hello. Considering SpaceGhostC2C has apparently taken up the habit of identifying /after/ joining channels, if you want your +b on him in #ubuntu-offtopic to actually be a +b and not effectively a +q, you might want to not apply it against his cloak.
[06:20] <rww> That would presumably also reduce the amount of PM crap he sends to people in there since he can't send it to the actual channel any more.
[06:21] <rww> elky: thanks
[06:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> What exactly has been up lately? I was allowed in, but +q, but now I'm not?  I just could join for some reason.
[06:25] <maco> ...because you werent identified at the time you joined
[06:25] <maco> as she just said
[06:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> maco: Then I was removed without any notification. It was odd. I wasn't trying to avoid a ban.
[06:25] <elky> Well then, your nickname is also now banned so we shan't be having this discussion again.
[06:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> elky: Awesome :)
[06:25] <maco> SpaceGhostC2C: ok so a bug was detected in how you are banned, and that bug has been corrected
[06:26] <maco> lag :(
[06:27] <IdleOne> what got him banned anyway?
[06:32] <bazhang> thought he asked to be banned
[06:34] <maco> was it him or PaddyNI that told me "if i was an op, id ban me"?
[06:34] <IdleOne> we don't do ban on request
[06:36] <IdleOne> :/
[06:38] <elky> No, he was baiting people and then when told by someone else he was risking ban, he made a joke about me and anal sex.
[06:39] <elky> Then we were advised that the CC had already dealt with him privately annoying people in the -users mailing list when banned from it, so we decided a +q was insufficient.
[06:41] <IdleOne> He can be trying.
[06:41] <IdleOne> was just curious. thanks for the answer :)
[06:45] <elky> He's taken to saying random attention-seeking things in #debian-offtopic now. we'll see how long he lasts there
[08:23] <IdleOne> !guidelines > Aemaeth
[09:07] <Roadcrosser> Nevermind
[09:07] <Roadcrosser> The problem is solved
[09:07] <ikonia> Roadcrosser: why are you back asking for support
[09:07] <Roadcrosser> I'll stop bothering you people
[09:07] <ikonia> you where told you where not supported
[09:07] <ikonia> Roadcrosser: you will - your banned
[09:07] <Roadcrosser> Umm
[09:08] <Roadcrosser> My problem is solved
[09:08] <Roadcrosser> So there is no need to ask
[09:08] <Roadcrosser> I'll focus on upgrading my software now
[09:08] <ikonia> you won't be allowed back into the support channel again
[09:08] <ikonia> so you won't be able to try to get any more help
[09:08] <ikonia> problem now solved
[09:08] <Roadcrosser> Don't really have to
[09:08] <ikonia> ok, then please leave this channel
[09:08] <Roadcrosser> Unless I have a real question
[09:08] <Roadcrosser> But I won't
[09:08] <Roadcrosser> Bye guys
[09:08] <ikonia> grat, bye
[09:18] <ikonia> nope, not meowbuntu
[09:19] <bazhang> chell shilling for roadcrosser?
[09:20] <ikonia> Chell: one moemnt
[09:20] <ikonia> megh: can we help ?
[09:20] <bazhang> we dont discuss others bans with outsiders do we?
[09:20] <ikonia> bazhang: I'm not going to
[09:20] <bazhang> Chell, ^^
[09:21] <Chell> -.-
[09:21] <ikonia> Chell: be with you in one moment
[09:21] <ikonia> megh: do you need anything from this channel
[09:21] <ikonia> Chell: just let me resolve any issue for megh then we can talk
[09:22] <Chell> ok
[09:22] <ikonia> megh: if you are not going to speak, please leave the channel
[09:23] <ikonia> ok - can someone please remove megh
[09:23] <ikonia> Chell: apologies for the delay, be with you ASAP
[09:23] <ikonia> !ops | megh idling for no reason
[09:24] <ikonia> Chell: ok, first are you still helping roadcroisser now ?
[09:24] <Chell> yeah
[09:24] <ikonia> is he still online
[09:24] <Chell> on another IRC Network, yes
[09:25] <ikonia> ah
[09:25] <ikonia> he's not actually using ubuntu
[09:25] <ikonia> so we can't support him
[09:25] <Chell> hmm
[09:25] <Chell> so you don't support server issues?
[09:25] <ikonia> we do
[09:25] <ikonia> fully
[09:26] <Chell> ah
[09:26] <ikonia> he's not using ubuntu server
[09:26] <ikonia> be aware when supporting him
[09:26] <Chell> he said to me, he's using Ubuntu 9.04
[09:26] <Chell> server, that is
[09:27] <ikonia> he's not he's using a modified version by his isp
[09:27] <Chell> ...damn ISPs
[09:28] <Chell> so I guess that justifies that
[09:28] <Chell> ill now continue trying to get him to boot a java app with lower ram access
[09:29] <ikonia> thats up to you
[09:29] <Chell> bya
[09:50] <ikonia> ok - why is eagles joining #ubuntu-motu, and asking motu's to join #kubuntu-offtopic to help with ubuntu kernel support issues
[09:50] <ikonia> why is he just not directing the users to #kubuntu
[09:52] <elky> why does he do anything?
[09:52] <eagles0513875> hi guys :(
[09:52] <ikonia> hi eagles0513875 thanks for joining
[09:52] <eagles0513875> what did i do wrong now :(
[09:52] <ikonia> I just wanted to ask why you where joining #ubuntu-motu, asking specific development members to join #kubuntu-offtopic to do support ?
[09:53] <elky> o.O
[09:53] <eagles0513875> ikonia: blueskaj was having issues with his maverick box and nobody helping him as i have never experienced a problem like he had
[09:53] <ikonia> so ?
[09:53] <eagles0513875> tbh its quite a show stopper
[09:53] <ikonia> eagles0513875: was part of the reason you where banned from those channels due to a.) asking specific people for support b.) asking for support in development channels
[09:53] <eagles0513875> was just trying to get him some help in a nut shell
[09:53] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you have been told MANY times about this
[09:54] <eagles0513875> ikonia: that was the only time since i have been unbanned
[09:54] <ikonia> eagles0513875: 1.) kubuntu is the support channel 2.) don't ask specific people 3.) the development channels are not support channels
[09:54] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yes, but you where ubanned and told to stop it
[09:54] <ikonia> yet you do it again
[09:54] <ikonia> what has to happen to get it through to you
[09:54] <eagles0513875> most of the time i just idle quietly
[09:54] <ikonia> but you didn 't this time
[09:54] <ikonia> again
[09:54] <ikonia> after being told and a blanket ban being put on
[09:55] <ikonia> what has to happen for you to be able to grasp the rules of the channels
[09:55] <ikonia> why was he not pointed to #kubuntu for support
[09:55] <ikonia> why did you seek out senior developers
[09:55] <eagles0513875> he asked in there already
[09:55] <ikonia> why was he told to not log a bug/check for existing bugs and follow the proces
[09:55] <ikonia> process
[09:55] <ikonia> why where you then using the development channels for support
[09:55] <ikonia> those are questions I'm tired of having to ask
[09:56] <eagles0513875> it wont happen again
[09:56] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I've brought you in here to check there was no missunderstanding, it's clear there is not, so I'm going to speak to the council about having your blanket ban put back
[09:56] <ikonia> I don't think you need to be in the development channels and you've made it clear you can't deal with the topics of those channels
[09:57] <ikonia> I just wanted to check there wasn't a mistake and be up front with you about it
[09:57] <eagles0513875> can i be frank with u
[09:57] <ikonia> please
[09:58] <eagles0513875> senior devs should know bout bugs like this and lp has so many bug probably bout half of them are from shelved releases, that...that they should be closed. also for future release they should eb aware of a serious problem like this to prevent it in the next release
[09:58] <ikonia> eagles0513875: no - they shouldn't
[09:58] <eagles0513875> y not
[09:58] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it is not up to individuals to resolve issues like that
[09:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: and it is not up to you to decide you know better than the developers dealing with bugs
[09:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: did you check if there was a bug on launchpad, no, did you log a bug to pass it forward, no
[09:59] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i admit i dont
[09:59] <ikonia> you just jumped into a development channel asking for developers to support an inidivdual issue
[09:59] <eagles0513875> he did and hes seen bugs posted that are related to it and havent even been touched
[09:59] <ikonia> so progress a bug
[10:00] <ikonia> add to it's value with information
[10:00] <ikonia> the person who had the bug was in the same development channels and wasn't asking for support
[10:00] <ikonia> yet you saw it fit to ask on his behalf even though you know it's not the doen thing
[10:01] <ikonia> that's where it is and that's where I stand, I'll progress this with the council
[10:01] <ikonia> on a side issue, I do appreciate how hard it is to get bugs resolved
[10:02] <ikonia> sorry to have pulled you in on such a negative note, but it needs to be raised
[10:02]  * eagles0513875 thinks this is totally unfair. the entire ubuntu community against me
[10:02] <ikonia> no
[10:02] <ikonia> you just can't follow the rules
[10:02] <ikonia> it's your own fault
[10:03] <eagles0513875> why not get the dev channels on a different irc network then
[10:03] <eagles0513875> a private one for the devs
[10:03] <ikonia> no-one elses, the sooner you grasp that and resolve it, the problems will go away
[10:03] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why not respect the rules
[10:03] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why should we have to move the dev channels because YOU can't follow the rules
[10:03] <ikonia> why don't you join a different network so your not tempted ?
[10:03] <ikonia> (it's the same idea you've just suggested)
[10:04] <ikonia> eagles0513875: and ranting about it in ##club-ubuntu won't help you
[10:06] <ikonia> irc council - you can expect a mail on me about this shortly
[10:06] <bazhang> ryaxn and teadict advertising that channel earlier in -ot
[10:07] <bazhang> ryaxn wanted to conduct a poll on it in -ot as well
[10:08] <elky> they so very much know better :(
[10:09] <topyli> maybe banforwards to ##club would be in order :)
[10:09] <elky> I like this plan.
[10:10] <ikonia> topyli: can you raise the issue of eagles blanket ban re-instment of development channels with the council after you've just saw the exchange above
[10:10] <ikonia> I will of course follow it up with a mail, but I'd like this progressed quickly rather than the normal time
[10:10] <topyli> let me read
[10:10] <ikonia> sure, (picked on you while your active and it's fresh)
[10:12] <topyli> oh ok, seems sadly familiar
[10:13] <ikonia> yes, it does
[10:13] <ikonia> and it's more the resolution atttitude too
[10:13] <ikonia> move the channels, rather than show self control
[10:15] <topyli> yep
[10:17] <ikonia> topyli: I'll raise this formally with the council (as I assume you'd like) but if you could progress this to get it moving, that would be great
[10:17] <topyli> i have brought it up now. yes a mail would still be good
[10:18] <ikonia> typing it now
[10:19] <topyli> thanks
[10:33] <ikonia> sent
[15:02] <IdleOne> is it just me, or is he ignoring our answers?
[15:02] <IdleOne> messaging him to see if that helps a little
[15:03] <bazhang> yep, he's just spamming
[15:03] <IdleOne> sent a PM no answer yet. will leave on mute for now.
[15:04] <bazhang> repeating in the channel twenty times is not a fast track for approval
[15:04] <IdleOne> nope
[15:04] <bazhang> he was directed to -irc as well
[15:06] <IdleOne> still no response, I guess they either don't know irc at all or they were just trolling
[15:06] <bazhang> likely not a native speaker, judging from the IP
[15:08] <IdleOne> they quit, removed the +q
[16:24] <IdleOne> wow why did ubottu just flood me with 19 ban review messages?
[16:27] <elky> a week ago, you played whackamole?
[16:28] <elky> ok, now i got spammed
[16:28] <IdleOne> seems like ubottu had a fit, repeated same ban 2-3 times
[16:28] <elky> 6 times for me
[16:28] <IdleOne> lol
[16:31] <jussi> hrm..
[16:31] <jussi> ts2: what do you make of that?
[16:31] <IdleOne> they are all from Oct 16 also
[16:31] <IdleOne> I don't recall that being an excessive ban setting day for me
[16:32] <jussi> looks like there is a repeat in the db, as they all have different ban numbers
[16:32] <IdleOne> jussi: yup
[16:32] <elky> yeah
[16:32] <elky> jussi, see PM please
[16:33] <jussi> ignore it for now, buit still check the bans and review them. Ill look into it with tsimpson
[16:34] <Tm_T> I feel so excluded, got no spam ):
[16:35] <IdleOne> expect spam soon
[16:35] <IdleOne> probably right now
[16:40] <Tm_T> actually got immediately after saing I don't
[16:41] <IdleOne> yup
[16:41] <IdleOne> that is when ubottu saw you active
[16:41] <IdleOne> so she jumped on you :)
[16:41] <Tm_T> brrrh
[16:45] <jussi> hehe
[16:45]  * jussi huggles ubottu
[17:02] <ts2> jussi: probably a ban sync messing with the db
[17:10] <jussi> ts2: that sounds about right
[17:59] <ikonia> good old idoru
[20:36] <ikonia> how many members are in the community council currently ?
[20:39] <ts2> ikonia: 8 it seems, https://launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/+members
[20:41] <ikonia> ts2: thats what I was reading, 8 seemed a lot
[20:43] <ts2> the whole "delegation of powers" thing is quite new, so is had to be a large-ish team
[20:43] <ikonia> I can see why, I just didn't remember 8 people getting voted in
[20:43] <ikonia> just questioning it in my head
[20:48] <maco> well mark doesnt get voted on
[21:18] <ikonia> 7 still seemed more than I remembered
[22:10] <ikonia> I find spaceghosts personal irc channel rules ironic based on the problems he causes in offtopic http://amberlampdesign.com/#IRC
[22:14] <ikonia> when did ubottu start spitting out bug information in +1
[22:17] <ts2> has done for a long time. even though +1 is a support channel, it makes sense for bug info to be enabled there
[22:18] <ikonia> I've never noticed it
[22:18] <ts2> at least for the whole of the maverick release cycle, maybe longer
[22:44] <ikonia> abortici1e: can we help you ?
[22:44] <abortici1e> no, i just joined by accident
[22:44] <ikonia> if you don't need anything can you please leave the channel as there is a non-idle policy
[22:45] <abortici1e> acvtually ...
[22:45] <ikonia> msr: thanks for joining, be with you in a moment
[22:45] <abortici1e> how can i install virtualbox ?
[22:45] <ikonia> abortici1e: that's not a topic for this channel
[22:45] <ikonia> abortici1e: your in #ubuntu - ask in there
[22:45] <msr> ikonia, dont ever want to speak to you again, your as rude as they come on the internet.
[22:46] <ikonia> msr: if you could please hang on for a moment
[22:46] <abortici1e> oh ...
[22:46] <ikonia> abortici1e: if you don't need anything from the operator team, could you please leave the channel
[22:46] <abortici1e> anyways you could go ahead and do your deeds with msr, i have some questions for you later
[22:46] <ikonia> abortici1e: then come back later
[22:46] <msr> ikonia 's actions are overboard, bans for common language, as well as being rude.
[22:46] <abortici1e> will it take long?
[22:46] <ikonia> abortici1e: please leave the channel until you have something you need
[22:46] <abortici1e> ah i didn't want to inconveniance you or anything ..
[22:46] <ikonia> abortici1e: ask your questions now then, and I'll talk to msr when you are done
[22:47] <msr> just for the logs because i know im not the only one
[22:47] <abortici1e> well it was about the 'spam policy'
[22:47] <ikonia> msr: if you would please hang on, that would be great
[22:47] <abortici1e> i got banned for 'spamming' two seconds ago
[22:47] <abortici1e> but marienz unbanned me
[22:47] <ikonia> abortici1e: what about it
[22:47] <abortici1e> i was wondering if you could give me tips on how to avoid that
[22:47] <ikonia> abortici1e: talk to freenode staff, idoru is there bot
[22:47] <abortici1e> because i wasn't acutally spamming
[22:47] <ikonia> their bot sdorry
[22:47] <abortici1e> i dont' know anything about idoru, its the ubuntu bot
[22:47] <abortici1e> oh its their bot
[22:47] <abortici1e> is idoru in this channel too?
[22:47] <marienz> abortici1e: what banned you was idoru, a ferenode bot
[22:47] <ikonia> abortici1e: it's a freenode bot, talk to staff in #freenode
[22:47] <marienz> freenode, too
[22:48] <marienz> abortici1e: I already explained roughly what happened.
[22:48] <abortici1e> does #linux have idoru, marienz?
[22:48] <marienz> yes.
[22:48] <abortici1e> i know, but i was like 5 seconds apart each of my messages!
[22:48] <ikonia> abortici1e: please take this up with marienz in #freenode, it's not an ubuntu issue
[22:48] <abortici1e> and it was only 2!
[22:48] <abortici1e> okay
[22:48] <ikonia> msr: won't keep you
[22:49] <ikonia> abortici1e: if your done in this channel can you please leave
[22:49] <ikonia> abortici1e: I can see you now active in #freenode
[22:50] <ikonia> msr: almost done
[22:52] <msr> so yeah, ikonia is out of line. he is pushing a puritan agenda, and my language was not outa line. (hes ignored so i cant hear what hes saying) hes nitpicking words that really arent disruptive and taking disruptive actions from them, like banning users.
[22:52] <ikonia> abortici1e: if you're done can you please leave
[22:52] <ikonia> others are waiting
[22:52] <msr> whoever gave him op should consider de-oping him
[22:53] <ikonia>  msr> Somelauw, your machine is fucked.
[22:53] <abortici1e> test
[22:53] <ikonia> it's not acceptable langauge, asking you to stop using it is not rude
[22:53] <abortici1e> am i still here?
[22:53] <ikonia> abortici1e: yes
[22:53] <ikonia> you are
[22:53] <ikonia> abortici1e: type /part
[22:53] <abortici1e> i did
[22:53] <abortici1e> oh wait maybe its macro'ed i was playing with it earlier ...
[22:53] <msr> when i say "sounds like your machine is fucked. that signal ..." and then a ban that is out of line
[22:53] <ikonia> abortici1e: /type part
[22:53] <abortici1e> i think /part was being macroed because iw as playing with logigng
[22:54] <abortici1e> is there another way?
[22:54] <ikonia> abortici1e: type /part
[22:54] <abortici1e> i did its not working
[22:54] <abortici1e> can you hear me?
[22:54] <ikonia> yes
[22:54] <abortici1e> is there another way to leave?
[22:54] <ikonia> marienz: can you please kick him to help him leave
[22:54] <ikonia> abortici1e: I don't know what client your using
[22:54] <IdleOne> click the X top right of the window
[22:55] <ikonia> marienz: thanks
[22:55] <ikonia> msr: sorry about that,
[22:55] <ikonia> msr: you where banned because after me asking you to control your language you told me to watch my rudeness
[22:55] <ikonia> msr: asking someone to control their language is not rude
[22:55] <ikonia> I brought you in here to discuss it as to not discuss it in the #ubuntu-support channel
[22:56] <ikonia> msr: "fucked" is not acceptable language
[22:56] <marienz> ikonia: sorry about that, I guess I should've prodded him in #freenode to begin with instead of replying in here
[22:56] <ikonia> marienz: I was only pushy as msr was waitng and I got the impression he was trying to see the show
[22:57]  * marienz nods
[22:57] <ikonia> msr: that's where you wheere banned, if your comfortable controlling your language, we can remove the ban and get you back into #ubuntu
[23:00] <ikonia> msr: actually I've just read the scroll back and see you have me on ignore (or say you do)
[23:00] <ikonia> IdleOne: are you still active
[23:00] <IdleOne> msr: are you here?
[23:00] <msr> ikonia, i know this isnt apropriate to say (since i have you ignored and cant hear your reply) but you really are out of line for banning for use of common, non-disruptive, language. this is not preschool, we are adults. "fuck" is one of the most versatile words in the dictionary, and even has its wikipedia article. in the context i used it, it was appropriate and in no way obscene or indecent. consider how your actions effect o
[23:00] <msr> thers before taking them, and retribution is not an appropriate reason for a ban.
[23:00] <msr> IdleOne, yes
[23:00] <ikonia> IdleOne: if he does not remove ignore I'll not remove the ban
[23:01] <ts2> msr: that word is not acceptible in #ubuntu
[23:01] <ts2> if you refuse to accept that, choose another channel
[23:02] <IdleOne> msr: The language rule is not debatable. you have to either follow our channel policies or you can not be in the channel. Also you need to remove the ignore on ikonia or the ban will not be removed. I want to help get you back in #ubuntu but you got to work with us here.
[23:03] <msr> the ignore will not be removed. i do not need to get into #ubuntu, so not much harm done. if i cannot use common language and get banned within 5 minutes for doing so, then the channel is not worth going to and i will find help elsewhere. thank you for your input tho.
[23:03] <IdleOne> msr: Will you agree to follow our policies?
[23:04] <IdleOne> msr: that is fine. have a good day.
[23:04] <IdleOne> msr: if you change your mind you can come back and we can discuss it then
[23:05] <msr> :) if i remember
[23:05] <IdleOne> ok, please part the channel since we seem to be done here.
[23:07] <IdleOne> hey Jordan_U
[23:08] <ikonia> thanks guys
[23:08] <IdleOne> ikonia: leave the ban. he can come back if/when he wants to talk like an adult with us
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Hi, are you watching m4h3m in #ubuntu?
[23:08] <ikonia> I am now
[23:08] <bazhang> heh beat me to it
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Thanks.
[23:09] <IdleOne> ikonia: no problem :)
[23:09] <bazhang> wow 15 messages from ubottu
[23:09] <ts2> ignore 2/3 of them :)
[23:10] <IdleOne> seems I have the record so far, got 19 earlier :P
[23:10] <bazhang> okay :)
[23:11] <IdleOne> now fix empathy,pidgin,skype for me so I can cam with my little girl :/
[23:20] <bazhang> seems I have been deactivated
[23:20] <IdleOne> deactivated?
[23:20] <bazhang> no reason given by nhandler , just that I am not a member of the ubuntu-irc team anymore
[23:20] <nhandler> bazhang: ~ubuntu-irc hasn't been used for anything for a long time
[23:20] <nhandler> We are re-purposing it
[23:21] <IdleOne> lol
[23:21] <nhandler> All direct members were removed
[23:21] <bazhang> nhandler, I was never on the access list there, to my knowledge
[23:21] <bazhang> if you are referring to the channel #ubuntu-irc
[23:21] <nhandler> bazhang: ~ubuntu-irc had nothing to do with being on the access list in any channel. It was what we had before we had multiple LP teams for each channel
[23:22] <nhandler> bazhang: It doesn't have anything to do with #ubuntu-irc
[23:22] <bazhang> nhandler, so this is completely unrelated to the ubuntu operators team?
[23:22] <nhandler> bazhang: It was basically a depricated team
[23:27] <bazhang> nhandler, so completely unrelated to the ubuntu operators team then?
[23:29] <IdleOne> yes, sorta kinda
[23:30] <nhandler> bazhang: The team used to be for ubuntu operators, but it hasn't been used for any real purpose since we setup the other LP teams. In short, you have nothing to worry about wrt the deactivation
[23:30] <bazhang> nhandler, I see. thanks for the clarification.
[23:32] <IdleOne> bazhang: you should have +o in #ubuntu-irc
[23:32] <IdleOne> oh you don't have membership
[23:33] <bazhang> nope only @ubuntu have it.


 I'm not even sure what possessed me to look at the theme again ;)
[00:01] <_MMA_> We all gotta tinker. :P
[00:02]  * _MMA_ is gonna go watch "Mythbusters" and watch them blow up a scale model of the Hindenburg. bbl
[00:37] <Viper550> I remember that Xubuntu usplash we had when we first put it in...the kubuntu one with an X crossed in and a crudly drawn mouse in it
[10:31] <geek_ubuntu>
[10:32] <geek_ubuntu> Quick question for creating wallpapers for ubuntu do they have to have the colors orange and brown
[10:32] <geek_ubuntu> ?
[10:36] <thorwil> geek_ubuntu, no
[10:36] <geek_ubuntu> well somebody told me they did
[10:36] <geek_ubuntu> lastnight
[10:37] <geek_ubuntu> please could you have a look at the wallpaper i made that this person said would not be accepted
[10:37] <thorwil> sure
[10:37] <geek_ubuntu> thanks
[10:38] <geek_ubuntu> do you want me to send you the image file? or upload to tiny pic?
[10:39] <thorwil> i'd suggest http://www.piccdrop.com/
[10:39] <geek_ubuntu> okay will do
[10:39] <geek_ubuntu> 1 min
[10:40] <geek_ubuntu> here you go http://pic.piccdrop.com/i/c/1243244399.png
[10:41] <geek_ubuntu> i need to make the text more brighter i think?
[10:44] <geek_ubuntu> what you think?
[10:44] <thorwil> geek_ubuntu, looks like you squashed the logo and text. never do that
[10:44] <geek_ubuntu> ok
[10:44] <thorwil> but having the logo and "ubuntu" text on backgrounds isn't that great an idea
[10:45] <geek_ubuntu> as there are already enough? i get it thanks
[10:45] <thorwil> right
[10:46] <thorwil> it looks like a sign of insecurity to shout out ubuntu in that way
[10:46] <geek_ubuntu> so try to avoid using the ubuntu yecy
[10:46] <geek_ubuntu> ubuntu logo
[10:46] <thorwil> yes
[10:46] <geek_ubuntu> will do thanks for the answers
[10:47] <thorwil> while it's fine, even much needed, imho, to explore other colors than brown and orange, you should still think about what ubuntu stands for.
[10:47] <geek_ubuntu> some guy name kn100 said the colours had to be orange and brown
[10:47] <geek_ubuntu> ok thanks
[10:47] <thorwil> geek_ubuntu, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds
[10:47] <geek_ubuntu> so basically make it open attractive and clean?
[10:48] <thorwil> using brown and orange might improve the chances of being used, but Mark Shuttleworth himself said that other options shall be considered for karmic koala
[10:49] <thorwil> geek_ubuntu, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Briefing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Message
[10:51] <geek_ubuntu> i going for creating abstract walllpapers
[11:26] <geek_ubuntu> how is this for an abstract wallpaper i made for ubuntu http://pic.piccdrop.com/i/c/1243247179.jpg
[11:27] <geek_ubuntu> what you think
[11:27] <geek_ubuntu> ?
[11:27] <knome> maybe too abstract for general usage, but it's not bad.
[11:27] <geek_ubuntu> thanks
[11:27] <knome> the colors are quite bright and lively for a background
[11:28] <knome> i like the middle top section
[11:28] <geek_ubuntu> i know the colurs wer slightly lower but i sharpened it so they stand out more
[11:28] <geek_ubuntu> shall i upload the unsharpened image
[11:28] <knome> yeah - but you don't want *back*ground to stand out ;)
[11:28] <geek_ubuntu> okay 1 min
[11:31] <andreasn> geek_ubuntu, in a odd way it reminds me of MDK ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDK_(video_game) )
[11:31] <knome> andreasn, you are correct :P
[11:31] <knome> the left and right side remind me of an audi (car)
[11:33] <geek_ubuntu> here's the unsharpened version http://pic.piccdrop.com/i/c/1243247619.jpg
[11:35] <geek_ubuntu> there is a slight difference in colour
[11:35] <geek_ubuntu> do you think its still alright with using this unsharpened version?
[11:36] <knome> i personally would not use that as background
[11:36] <knome> but as i said, it's not bad.
[11:36] <geek_ubuntu> how is it for the vast majority of people who like detail?
[11:38] <geek_ubuntu> can i post this on the ubuntu forums to see what other people think?
[11:38] <geek_ubuntu> if so which version? sharpened or unsharpened?
[11:39] <geek_ubuntu> should i post?
[11:39] <geek_ubuntu> .
[11:40] <geek_ubuntu> ?
[11:45] <geek_ubuntu> speak later
[12:15] <thorwil> geek_ubuntu, welcome back. i think the not sharpened version is nicer. in both cases, the center part with the thin swirls is the best part. just something like that on the whole area could be really nice
[13:08] <elky> i prefer the unsharpened version too
[13:15] <SiDi> hey people
[13:15] <SiDi> _MMA_: you wrote inherit Humah instead of Human for Breathe rev43
[13:16] <SiDi> hope you change it before release
[13:18] <_MMA_> SiDi: Fixed. Thanx. Pull rev.45
[13:18] <SiDi> i fixed it manually on my side :)
[13:18] <SiDi> knome: you around ?
[13:20] <_MMA_> Damn. Means I gotta fix the .tar also.
[13:33] <_MMA_> *Fixed
[13:34] <SiDi> okey:)
[14:02] <geek_ubuntu> when is the closing date for wallpaper contributions to karmic Ubuntu 9.10?
[14:04] <geek_ubuntu>
[14:06] <SiDi> in a long time
[14:15] <_MMA_> 4-5 months
[14:18] <geek_ubuntu> ok thanks
[17:29] <knome> SiDi, now i am.
[18:04] <SiDi> knome: now im workin at a friend's house tho :D
[18:11] <knome> ok :P


[06:14] <Guest60626> hi
[06:16] <benonsoftware> Bye :P
[12:24] <chemmy> hello
[12:38] <chemmy> noob was here
[12:39] <chemmy> waiting sumone to teach me more bout ubuntu