[05:33] <mebaran151> your keyboard and mouse dont work!
[05:33] <mebaran151> it will probably get fixed in the next kernel revision
[05:33] <qoke> yer, exactly.. ubuntu install perfectly on my laptop, usb, pcmcia, everything just WORKS.. same on my desktop (just put hoary on for testing)
[05:33] <mebaran151> I mean rerelease
[05:33] <borgista> right now i'm on Warty.
[05:33] <borgista> not Hoary
[05:33] <mebaran151> I had weird problems
[05:33] <mebaran151> installing ubuntu
[05:33] <YankDownUnder> borgista: If you tweak the kernel settings for normal mode, and tailor it to your liking and your needs, along with tweaking yer HD settings, you might find that the normal kernel can outrun the SMP kernel....
[05:33] <mebaran151> ALSA never laid itself correctly
[05:34] <mebaran151> and AMD64 is rather odd lately
[05:34] <mebaran151> it either works perfectly
[05:34] <mebaran151> or is completely broken
[05:34] <mebaran151> all in spasms
[05:35] <tolstoy_> Yikes!  Is printing currently broken on hoary?
[05:35] <BrianAnthony> Link /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build does not exist (or is not a link)
[05:35] <BrianAnthony> why am I getting that error
[05:35] <borgista> ok
[05:35] <borgista> will do
[05:35] <borgista> bye all
[05:38] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: well, what does ls -l  /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build    say, if anything?
[05:39] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: no such file or directory
[05:39] <BrianAnthony> what do I need to put that there
[05:39] <thoreauputic> seems the error is correct then?
[05:39] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[05:40] <spacepopeye> How do I mount my XP ntfs partition in linux?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[05:41] <thoreauputic> or similar
[05:41] <spacepopeye> thnx
[05:41] <thoreauputic> then edit /etc/fstab to make it permanent
[05:41] <thoreauputic> make a dir like winXP in /mnt first
[05:42] <thoreauputic> /mnt/wintendo or something appropriate like that
[05:42] <regeya> dangit dangit dangit
[05:43] <regeya> I guess that if I want to share something between my ubuntu box at home, and my os x box at work, I'm just going to have to build from source
[05:43] <regeya> and that's all I'll say, because I'll not trouble anyone with unsupported software
[05:43] <regeya> ...unsupported software...mutter mutter... ;-)
[05:43] <thoreauputic> regeya: nautilus can use ssh to transfer files - you could use that
[05:44] <regeya> zope-cmfplone depends on two different versions of zope-cmf
[05:44] <thoreauputic> regeya: ssh comes with os-x
[05:44] <regeya> neither of which can be installed
[05:44] <regeya> thoreauputic, thanks...I'm aware
[05:44] <thoreauputic> regeya: OK
[05:44] <regeya> I just ssh'ed into my work box, in fact. :-)
[05:44] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:45] <regeya> use the work box to get into other machines on the network; checking logs.  someone at a small office shouldn't be terribly paranoid about internal security...dangit
[05:46] <regeya> worried, yes, but not paranoid :-)
[05:46] <spacepopeye> what's the bash equivelent of dir?
[05:46] <regeya> ls
[05:47] <neom> lol
[05:47] <regeya> anyone old enough to know how to get a directory listing on an apple II disk?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> regeya: you, I guess ;)
[05:48] <regeya> heh
[05:48] <regeya> yeah
[05:48] <regeya> I can remember that, but I sat at my work OS X box, wondering WTF the keychain password was for 5 mins today
[05:48] <neom> cat, isn't it?
[05:48] <regeya> dunno about newer versions; I always did 'catalog'
[05:48] <regeya> maybe cat works
[05:48] <regeya> *shrug*
[05:49] <thoreauputic> the oz version would have to have been "cattledog"
[05:49] <regeya> I punched in a password to a box I used at uni, like, 9 years ago.  but I couldn't remember the password I had typed 15min. before.  weird.
[05:49] <regeya> hehe
[05:49] <darmou> does anyone know how to configure mailman?  I can't make the mailman list:(
[05:50] <darmou> make=create
[05:52] <YankDownUnder> darmou: Mate, try joining the #mailman channel, eh?
[05:52] <darmou> ok good call thanks
[05:54] <Cleotis> I'm a FreeBSD native, Debian/Ubuntu n00b as of 30 minutes ago.  Got a .deb file.  How do I install it?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[05:55] <Cleotis> Thank you thor!
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: it will probably scream abourt dependencies though
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: usual method involves apt-get and repositories
[05:57] <Cleotis> Thoreauputic: I'm on AMD64, to make things even more interesting.
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: indeed
[05:58] <tolstoy_> Anyone know what to do when the gnome-cups-manager says (after a LONG timeout) that it can't contact the cups server?  I see cupsd in the process list...
[05:58] <Cleotis> thoreauputic, I have used Synaptic, but my .deb is not found there.  Thank you kindly for your pointers.
[05:59] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: no, but idf you find out, please tell me :/
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: I guess a freeBSD refugee can find his way around ;)
[05:59] <tolstoy_> thoreauputic, messed up for you as well?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: local printing is fine, but network printing I can't work out :/
[06:03] <Cleotis> thoreauputic, yes I hope so, but is also different from ports.
[06:03] <tolstoy_> thoreauputic, found out (via the forums) that lo is no longer properly configured.  "sudo ifconfig lo <IP_ADDRESS>" and then a restart did the trick.
[06:03] <tolstoy_> thoreauputic, that's a problem I've never seen on any linux anywhere.
[06:03] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: aha ! :)
[06:04] <tolstoy_> at least not since redhat 5.1 days
[06:04] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: very odd given how crucial that interface is :/
[06:06] <cbgb> how can i install the kdm
[06:06] <monoxide> tolstoy_, is that affecting hoary?
[06:06] <tolstoy_> monoxide, yes.
[06:06] <tolstoy_> monoxide, there was a forum entry about it, so I'm guessing it's not just my machine
[06:07] <monoxide> will that fix it all the time, or only this bootup?
[06:07] <tolstoy_> don't know. just discovered it.
[06:09] <monoxide> what sort of problems would that cause?
[06:09] <monoxide> is ifconfig supposed to display anything?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:09] <monoxide> i just checked... /dev/lo doesnt exist on my machine...
[06:10] <monoxide> might explain a few programs not working...
[06:10] <monoxide> how would i get it back?
[06:10] <tolstoy_> sudo ifconfig lo <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:10] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # ifconfig lo <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:10] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # ls /dev/lo
[06:10] <monoxide> ls: /dev/lo: No such file or directory
[06:11] <tolstoy_> yikes
[06:11] <jdub> monoxide: there's no such thing as /dev/lo
[06:11] <thoreauputic> it's an interface, not a device
[06:11] <jdub> monoxide: type 'ifup lo'
[06:12] <monoxide> heh... that might explain that much
[06:12] <tolstoy_> jdub, when I did that, I got: ifup: interface lo already configured
[06:12] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # ifup lo
[06:12] <monoxide> ifup: interface lo already configured
[06:12] <monoxide> \
[06:12] <tolstoy_> jdub, wasn't until I did the ifconfig that it worked.
[06:12] <thoreauputic> monoxide: that would be expected
[06:13] <thoreauputic> monoxide: it's the local loopback interface - pretty crucial
[06:13] <jdub> tolstoy_: then ifdown lo; ifup lo
[06:13] <monoxide> hmmm... just that iv been having heaps of problems with sound server (all of alsa, oss and esound/polypaudio) and i thought that might be the problem
[06:14] <monoxide> thoreauputic, yes, i know that.
[06:15] <cg0def> is there a way to request a program to be added to apt?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> cg0def: come again? what do you mean?
[06:16] <cg0def> thoreauputic: well it would be great if acpi4asus is in apt but it is not
[06:16] <cg0def> thoreauputic: so should I file it as a bug or there is some other form?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> cg0def: ah I see - you have all repositories enabled?
[06:17] <cg0def> yes
[06:17] <cg0def> thoreauputic: I am not talking about the kernel deamon
[06:18] <thoreauputic> cg0def: I guess you could file an "enhancement" bug or something...
[06:19] <cg0def> thoreauputic: would that be from the same bugzilla that you use for regular bugs?
[06:20] <thoreauputic> cg0def: I don't really know, frankly - I did hear someone talking about filing a bug as an "enhancement" a few days ago
[06:20] <cg0def> nm the last question
[06:21] <thoreauputic> cg0def: or send it to the user mailing list perhaps?
[06:22] <cg0def> thoreauputic: yeah I suppose the mailing list would help too
[06:22] <thoreauputic> cg0def: it's pretty active
[06:34] <zyme> hooo boy
[06:34] <zyme> have i got some questions
[06:35] <zyme> can anybody tell me what this means
[06:35] <zyme> ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:37] <thoreauputic> zyme: I think it means you are running firefox-installer-bin when you should be running firefox-installer
[06:37] <zyme> hmm
[06:37] <thoreauputic> zyme: both exist in my firefox-installer directory - I suspect the latter is the one you need to run
[06:38] <zyme> i tell it to just run firefox-installer though
[06:38] <zyme> i do ./firefox-installer
[06:38] <zyme> :(
[06:38] <thoreauputic> I see - and the error is returned from the other one... hmmm
[06:39] <fr500> what was the program to make deb files after the ./configure script
[06:39] <fr500> ?
[06:39] <zyme> i will rename the other one and see what happens!
[06:39] <thoreauputic> zyme: on warty?
[06:39] <zyme> yeah
[06:39] <thoreauputic> zyme: odd - it ran without problems on warty for me
[06:40] <thoreauputic> fr500: you mean checkinstall?
[06:40] <fr500> yes
[06:40] <fr500> thanks
[06:40] <zyme> i had to mess with some stuff to get my nvidia card to work but i dont know how that possibly could effect it
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> anyone here on hoary who has /not/ installed OOo2.0 ?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> fr500: ./configure && make && checkinstall
[06:40] <zyme> can i download this "libgtk-x11-2.0.so" somewhere?
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: which prog. r u compiling ?
[06:41] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I'm not - I'm telling fr500 about checkinstall :)
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok..
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> anyone here on hoary who has /not/ installed OOo2.0 ?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> openoffice.org2 ?
[06:41] <fr500> thoreauputic: once i get checkinstall  of course
[06:41] <thoreauputic> fr500: indeed
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried the  klax live cd ?
[06:42] <fr500> slax?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> fr500: it's in universe
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> when i was installing openoffice.org2 apt told me about some suggestted packages. now, how do i get that list back ? can someone paste it for me ?
[06:42] <fr500> yes i found it
[06:42] <thoreauputic> checkinstall I mean
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> fr500: klax - the kde 3.4b live
[06:42] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:42] <fr500> oh, no sorry
[06:45] <fr500> i dont really like kde, i find it cool, but i like simplicity of gnome
[06:45] <fr500> so i have never got really interested
[06:46] <thoreauputic> there are some nice kde apps - amarok is really good
[06:46] <fr500> what is amarok?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> music player
[06:46] <thoreauputic> juke box a la rhythmbox
[06:46] <thoreauputic> only better
[06:46] <cocol> do u know repository for firefox (hoary)?
[06:47] <thoreauputic> isn't firefox in main?
[06:47] <fr500> oh ok
[06:47] <cocol> yep
[06:48] <cocol> but there is a spcial ne for firefox
[06:48] <thoreauputic> mozilla-firefox
[06:48] <cocol> i know thoreauputic
[06:48] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon: I got acidrip installed, and I am not sure how to configure it. Do you?
[06:49] <cocol> i saw it in the german wiki or forum
[06:49] <thoreauputic> it's easy to forget the mozilla bit, I find *grin*
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> ells: no.. why me ? and whats acidrip ?
[06:49] <zyme> can i make things like this x-chat minimize to the tray by the clock, like GAIM does?
[06:49] <ells> da_bon_bon: I thought you might know, it is a dvd ripper
[06:50] <cocol> htere is an security update from Mozilla Foundation for FF
[06:50] <cocol> see osnews and slashdot
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> ells: ah ok. no i dont.
[06:50] <AcidWolf> bbl doing dist upgrade
[06:50] <thoreauputic> zyme: I don't think xchat does the "notification area" thing, no (at least the warty one doesn't)
[06:50] <zyme> ah that is what it is called
[06:50] <ells> da_bon_bon: I am trying to get this thing to work.
[06:50] <zyme> notification area, mmmm.
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> ells: whats the problem ?
[06:51] <thoreauputic> zyme: I think that's right - there's a panel applet for it
[06:51] <zyme> panel applet eh
[06:51] <ells> it wont rip the dvd
[06:51] <cocol> right clicking on a panel and
[06:52] <ells> da_bon_bon: not sure of the configurations
[06:52] <biomic> i know this is a stupid question, but if i wanted to add an icon to home and my mounted hfs+ partition, how would i go about doing that?
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> ells: lemme check
[06:53] <zyme> how do i get this panel applet you speak so fondly of
[06:53] <fr500> i want to make an script to install beep-media-player skins, so i can associate it to wsz files and double click them to install
[06:53] <thoreauputic> biomic: right click on desktop, make launcher, insert command like "nautilus /path/to/directory"
[06:53] <ells> da_bon_bon: cool, thanks
[06:53] <cocol> FF-1.1 is out
[06:53] <biomic> cheers thoreauputic
[06:53] <fr500> i wanted to use mv filename target_dir
[06:54] <fr500> but i don't know how to get the file
[06:54] <fr500> filename
[06:54] <fr500> any ideas
[06:54] <thoreauputic> biomic: but if you put your hfs+ in fstab it will show up in the computer places (in nautilus)
[06:54] <cocol> how i delete or annul a symb link?
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> cocol: rm -rf XXX
[06:54] <thoreauputic> cocol: just rm /symbolic/link
[06:55] <cocol> only the target-file?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: don't need the -rf usually - symbolic links are just files
[06:55] <thoreauputic> no the link
[06:55] <biomic> thoreauputic: aaah yep, i did add the hfs part to fstab and its showing up in computer places .. thatnks for that
[06:55] <thoreauputic> NOT the target!
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: yes, right.. mea culpa
[06:55] <cocol> ok i see,thx
[06:56] <rick__> hello, I suddenly can't use the web, but can still chat, ping, read mail, etc... Does this sound familiar to anyone?
[06:56] <salti> Greetings all! Can anyone tell me what "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dkpg --configure -a' to correct the problem" means?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> rick__: check the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf?
[06:56] <zyme> curses, ubuntu will not play my mp3s
[06:57] <zyme> this will not stand
[06:57] <fr500> is libmusepack in some repository?
[06:57] <fr500> cant find it
[06:59] <rick__> thoreauputic: ok, it's got some ip addresses set to the nameservers, should I try other ones?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> rick__: can you ping a URL? like ping google.com?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> if so, your nameservers are OK
[06:59] <rick__> thoreauputic: yes, I can ping. Maybe ipv6 got turned on or something?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> if you can only ping IP numbers, dns is broken
[07:00] <rick__> thoreauputic: I can ping yahoo.com
[07:00] <thoreauputic> rick__: don't know - could be I guess
[07:00] <thoreauputic> rick__: OK your nameservers are fine then
[07:01] <rick__> thoreauputic: thanks. this is like when I installed Fedora, it used ipv6 by default, so only a few sites worked
[07:01] <rick__> I don'r remember where I changed it :(
[07:01] <thoreauputic> rick__: that is *so* ridiculous
[07:02] <thoreauputic> why would ipv6 be set as a default at this time? weird!
[07:03] <rick__> thoreau: It seems like Fedora is tuned to impress you with it's features, not really designed for humans as much as Ubuntu
[07:03] <TheMuso> d
[07:04] <thoreauputic> rick__: you could try disabling ipv6 in about:config in firefox - but I doubt that's the problem
[07:04] <xaochun> i think fedora just plain isn't designed
[07:05] <thoreauputic> rick__: some people claim disabling ipv6 in firefox speeds it up, though I can't see any difference
[07:05] <rick__> thoreau: I hate to sound dense, but where would I do that?
[07:05] <YankDownUnder> Fedora is nothing but RH9 glossed over.....
[07:05] <thoreauputic> you type  about:config in the url entry bar
[07:05] <YankDownUnder> rick__: In the URL field type: about:config
[07:06] <YankDownUnder> ...beat me to it....
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> YankDownUnder: wrong. fedora is NOT rh9
[07:06] <thoreauputic> rick__: then type ipv6 in the filter thing abd you should see the relevant entry
[07:06] <rick__> kewl
[07:06] <rick__> I had no idea
[07:06] <YankDownUnder> da_bon_bon: No - it is not - but what I'm getting at is it's basically the same look/feel/setup - etc etc etc...
[07:07] <thoreauputic> rick__: well hidden, isn't it? *grin*
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> YankDownUnder: still, its a great distro.
[07:07] <thoreauputic> rick__: just for fun, type   about:mozilla and see what happens...
[07:08] <rick__> thoreau: tunfing off ipv6 seems to have worked!
[07:08] <YankDownUnder> da_bon_bon: I used to use it - especially for all my servers - but now using Debian instead...and some Mandrake...
[07:08] <rick__> I am stunned
[07:08] <thoreauputic> rick__: yay
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> YankDownUnder: mandrake is a bullshit didtro.
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> distro
[07:08] <rick__> rothflmao
[07:08] <thoreauputic> rick__: I'm surprised
[07:09] <thoreauputic> you tried about:mozilla ?
[07:09] <rick__> thoreau: well, when I booted into windows it worked, I could ping, mail, chat
[07:09] <rick__> about:mozilla made my freakin' week. that is hilarious
[07:09] <thoreauputic> rick__: ah windows.... hmm
[07:09] <thoreauputic> rick__: hehe
[07:10] <rick__> that's the first time I booted into windows since I got wireless working
[07:10] <rick__> I can't beleive how user friendly ubuntu is
[07:11] <crbvegas> hello there
[07:11] <rick__> thoreau: thanks sooo much for the belp, you made my night!
[07:11] <thoreauputic> rick__: I think synaptic would make a lot of windows users green with envy
[07:11] <crbvegas> so i just installed ubuntu for the first time
[07:11] <thoreauputic> rick__: my pleasure :)
[07:11] <crbvegas> and im extremeley confused
[07:12] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: what's the confusion about?
[07:12] <crbvegas> well, i don't know how to connect it to my windows network
[07:12] <crbvegas> my house has 3 other computers running xp
[07:13] <thoreauputic> connect as in share?
[07:13] <crbvegas> we don't have a server, but
[07:13] <crbvegas> yeah
[07:13] <crbvegas> i mean, i installed samba
[07:13] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: hmm - you need to look for samba in the package manager
[07:13] <thoreauputic> OK
[07:13] <StoffBox-Steve> so bye all,  time to work
[07:13] <crbvegas> yeah, i installed it
[07:13] <thoreauputic> I was slow
[07:13] <crbvegas> i can set up for a workgroup, but i cant get the new linux box recognized.
[07:14] <crbvegas> and it cant see my other computer
[07:14] <crbvegas> s
[07:14] <crbvegas> does it have to do with IPX or something like that do you think?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: have you searched the forums or read ubuntuguide.org ?
[07:14] <crbvegas> nah
[07:14] <YankDownUnder> crbvegas: You might want to make sure you have SWAT installed as well - and it's really easy to use Webmin as a front-end for configuring all the bits of Samba
[07:14] <crbvegas> i serioiusly just installed this like 10minutes ago
[07:15] <crbvegas> Swat you say,
[07:15] <crbvegas> going to look at that now
[07:15] <crbvegas> what does swat stand for?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: you can guarantee someone has written about samba on the wiki or forums at ubuntulinux.org
[07:15] <crbvegas> no packages are listed under swat
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> is torrentspy.com down or is it my isp problem ??
[07:16] <subterrific> da_bon_bon: seems to be down
[07:16] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: it's in the universe repository
[07:16] <subterrific> da_bon_bon: try pirate bay, and laugh at this while you're at it: http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/
[07:16] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: you need to enable that in synaptic, then reload
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> subterrific: DAMN! needed a vmware torrent
[07:16] <crbvegas> one more question, before i got forum hunting and getting dizzy with stuff... btw, yest torrentspy is down... check the pirates bay
[07:17] <crbvegas> enable it in synaptic
[07:18] <crbvegas> yeah, i did a search for swat in synaptic, and it came up with nothing
[07:18] <crbvegas> btw, how do i list channels with this x-chat prog
[07:18] <delltony> questoin whats a good program for monitoring cpu/case heat in ubuntu?
[07:19] <cocol> smartmontools
[07:19] <delltony> type /list
[07:19] <crbvegas> nm found it
[07:19] <delltony> is that in one of the repositories?
[07:19] <apj> hi
[07:19] <apj> i have some problem with openoffice2 in Hoary.
[07:20] <apj> It freeze all the time when i push Save/Save as button
[07:20] <apj> Anyone has any suggestion to me?
[07:20] <delltony> file a bug report or look on bugzilla
[07:20] <delltony> if its not there file a report
[07:21] <cocol> deinstall and reinstall OOo
[07:21] <apj> deinstall?
[07:21] <cocol> uninstall
[07:21] <apj> OOo2?
[07:21] <cocol> apt-get remove
[07:22] <apj> apt-get remove OOo?
[07:22] <zyme> linux is so hard :(
[07:22] <cocol> apt-get remove openoffice.org
[07:22] <cocol> apt-get install...
[07:23] <apj> i use openoffice.org2 :)
[07:23] <cocol> no
[07:23] <apj> i have to uninstall oo1.1.x before i install oo2?
[07:23] <apj> right?
[07:23] <cocol> without the 2
[07:23] <apj> ok..
[07:23] <delltony> cocol, no offense but what part of smartmontools supports temp of the cpu
[07:24] <delltony> this is for storage devices aka smart codes
[07:24] <cocol> smartctl -P show /dev/hda
[07:25] <zyme> BULLDOZER WANTS TO MAKE FILE
[07:25] <zyme> BULLDOZER BECOMES KILLDOZER
[07:25] <delltony> again /dev/hda is a harddrive my friend
[07:25] <delltony> not a cpu
[07:25] <cocol> but it check the temp also
[07:25] <delltony> right of the harddrive
[07:25] <cg0def> can someone help me with some configuration problem with gcc
[07:25] <delltony> not of the cpu
[07:25] <cg0def> pls
[07:26] <cocol> thats all i know about smart
[07:26] <delltony> thats fine there was an applet that showed the heat and all but i forget what its called
[07:27] <cocol> kgrellm?
[07:27] <delltony> aww thats it
[07:27] <cocol> apt-get install kgrellm
[07:27] <delltony> i did its not in there
[07:28] <cocol> google it
[07:28] <delltony> its gkrellm :)
[07:29] <cocol> lol
[07:35] <YankDownUnder> Mmmm....Firefox 1.0.1 is out....
[07:35] <zyme> i cant install it though :(
[07:35] <YankDownUnder> What's so hard about getting the graphical installer and doing it that way?
[07:38] <cocol> nybody succeeded in installing FF1.0.1?
[07:41] <peloverde> Is the gtk+ fsd being slow and crashy a known issue in hoary?
[07:43] <sladen> fsd?
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the directory that has links to startup services?
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> and to disable them should i delete the links, or chmod them?
[07:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> full screen display i assume
[07:46] <peloverde> there it went
[07:48] <cbgb> i want to install kde does anyone have any idea?
[07:49] <Pluk> yay just wrote my own firewall
[07:49] <thoreauputic> cbgb: enable the universe repository in synaptic, reload, install
[07:50] <lunatech> how can i know which ubuntu i am running ?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> lunatech: cat /etc/issue
[07:51] <raghu> cbgb: apt-get install kde.....after implementing thoreauputic idea
[07:51] <lunatech> thanks thoreauputic
[07:52] <thoreauputic> hmm cbgb didn't hang around long enough foe an answer :/
[07:52] <thoreauputic> lunatech: no problem :)
[07:55] <monoxide> is there any known problems with SSL and hoary?
[07:55] <monoxide> or is it just my crappy internet connection?
[08:01] <geargolem> hello e'rbody
[08:02] <geargolem> can anyone recommend a good video compression utility?
[08:02] <PoW> Has anyone gotten their Audigy 2 soundcard to work with hoary yet?
[08:02] <stuNNed_> PoW: yep
[08:03] <PoW> How?
[08:03] <stuNNed_> PoW: pretty much just works really
[08:03] <PoW> both ASLA and OSS are screwed
[08:03] <stuNNed_> PoW: try gnome-alsamixer
[08:03] <PoW> yeah
[08:03] <PoW> its dead
[08:03] <PoW> shoots out errors
[08:04] <PoW> both oss and asla
[08:10] <stuNNed_> how's hoary updates today?
[08:13] <BiteMeBill> WOW I didn't know there was an ubuntu-love channel.
[08:13] <thoreauputic> hmm..nasty phishing vulnerability in firefox 1.0
[08:13] <thoreauputic> http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_idn_spoofing_test/
[08:13] <thoreauputic> other browsers too
[08:13] <monoxide> if i update my kernel can i remove old versions of the kernel?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> monoxide: you can, but most people don't bother
[08:14] <BiteMeBill> monoxide: it wise to leave at least one older copy on your system.
[08:15] <thoreauputic> monoxide: nothing wrong with doing itthough
[08:15] <monoxide> just that my grub list is getting fairly crowded with 3 versions of the 386 kernel and 1 verion of the k7 kernel
[08:15] <monoxide> plus the recovery version of each
[08:15] <thoreauputic> monoxide: you can delete the entries from the menu.lst
[08:16] <monoxide> yea, but then is there any point in keeping them?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> not really
[08:16] <thoreauputic> monoxide: you can nuke them if you wish
[08:16] <monoxide> didnt think so... i was just wondering :)
[08:16] <aminal> what do I have in ubuntu for module configuration?
[08:17] <monoxide> also, whoever told me to update to the k7 kernel has fixed my hdd boot problem :)
[08:17] <BiteMeBill> If the regular kernal gets AFU would the recovery kernel entry still be operatoinal?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> monoxide: having a "known good" spare is always comforting though ;)
[08:18] <aminal> thoreauputic: is there anything like modconf for ubuntu?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> aminal: doesn't appear to be  - I was just checking
[08:20] <aminal> I need to stop framebuffers from loading, how would I do that?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> there's modinfo modprobe...blah blah but no modconf that I can find
[08:20] <aminal> vesafb
[08:21] <monoxide> yea... is it possible to keep the 2.6.8-386 kernel but disable it from updateing it?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> aminal: I seem to recall you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and say "no" to the framebuffer question (that's from a dpkg factoid in #debian and I may have it wrong)
[08:22] <monoxide> i dont use the -plow, but yea thats worked for me
[08:22] <thoreauputic> monoxide: the kernel is only upgraded with a dist-upgrade - apt-get upgrade should leave it alone
[08:23] <monoxide> i usually use dist-upgrade... :P
[08:23] <thoreauputic> monoxide: dist-upgrade seems to include the kernel in ubuntu
[08:23] <thoreauputic> in debian I don't think it does
[08:24] <thoreauputic> in fact I'm pretty sure in debian you have to  specify any new kernels you install
[08:24] <monoxide> yes, but there are some interesting package setups there.... linux-386 will update to the latest 386 kernel.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> yes
[08:25] <monoxide> what if you removed linux-386 but not the actual kernel package ( linux-image-x.x.x-386 )?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> I assume if you've installed a 686 kernel the update will be a 686 kernel (haven't tried it)
[08:26] <BiteMeBill> thoreauputic: whats the modules.conf in /etc/?  wouldn't that be the modconf?
[08:26] <monoxide> and linux-k7 will update the k7 kernel etc
[08:26] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: I don't know - I've only ever used modprobe and /etc/modules
[08:27] <BiteMeBill> thoreauputic: I just did a find of *mod* and was looking.
[08:28] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: I actually don't know the function of modules.conf - once you identify the module and modprobe works, putting it in /etc/modules seems to activate it on boot
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> ok
[08:31] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: actually if you do a `less /etc/modules.conf` the comments say not to edit it (it's automatically generated)
[08:31] <BiteMeBill> thoreauputic: Yea I was just looking at that.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: heh - reading comments in config files can be quite educational - I should do it more often ;)
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> Hmm  redhat isn't even showing a modconf but there is a modules.conf
[08:33] <monoxide> BiteMeBill, man modules.conf
[08:34] <monoxide> i believe its the config file for modules, but i also heard that you should leave it alone unless you *REALLY* know what your doing
[08:34] <subterrific> you should never edit it
[08:36] <subterrific> you edit /etc/modules or /etc/modutils/*
[08:36] <GammaRay> if you have to edit it you should break an egg over a chicken while yelling "fire" to ward off any bad spirits
[08:36] <BiteMeBill> Guess I will wait long time before I play in there.  LOL
[08:36] <subterrific> and then run update-modules to generate /etc/modules.conf
[08:36] <BrianAnthony> how would I stop vesafb from loading? it's causing my X to crash the whole system
[08:37] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: that's interestig - i was told the sacrifice of a couple of virgins was required ;-)
[08:37] <subterrific> oh man, i can hardly stay in my chair
[08:37] <subterrific> comedy genius
[08:38] <Ins4ne>      ??
[08:38] <Ins4ne> :)
[08:38] <thoreauputic> subterrific: you left out the <sarcasm> tags ?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> ;)
[08:38] <GammaRay> or maybe diarrhea
[08:38] <BrianAnthony> is there an easy way to disable frame buffers?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> funny you should mention that...
[08:39] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: I'm aminal =P
[08:40] <BrianAnthony> With framebuffers, it's causing everything to die a horirble death
[08:40] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: I thought we discussed this - the command I suggested didn't work?
[08:41] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: I have ATI drivers set up specificaly, if I do a dpkg-reconfigure, I lose the configuration =/
[08:41] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: ah - no you don't - the problem is if you edited the file manually nothing will happen
[08:42] <OrangeSlice> what, nobody welcomes me back? :p
[08:42] <bascule> bribe the bot :P
[08:42] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: I used nano to change some settings. so your'e saying dpkg-reconfigure won't mess it up?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: Debian respects your hand editing, but then the config tool will no longer do as expected
[08:42] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: it just won't work any more
[08:43] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: so it won't disable framebuffering?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> dpkg-reconfigure
[08:43] <thoreauputic> no it won't
[08:43] <thoreauputic> you will probably have to rake through the config file and find the relevant lines
[08:44] <eikke> hija
[08:44] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: is there a section on framebuffers in the XF86Config file?
[08:45] <eikke> when upgrading linux-image, mkinitrd errors out because /dev/hdc1 is no block device, which is true. I installed ubuntu on hdc, then moved the hard drive, so its on hdb now. How to tell thisd to ubuntu?
[08:45] <Pluk> This is the port you are using to communicate to our Web Server. A firewall that uses Stateful Packet Inspection will show a 'BLOCKED' result for this port.  nice! :)
[08:45] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: I have no idea, sorry - I'd have a look if I were you (i never needed to do it)
[08:45] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: my knowledge is limited to personal experience
[08:46] <thoreauputic> eikke: oh dear...
[08:46] <jief255> can somebody help me my x server dont want to start
[08:47] <monoxide> BrianAnthony, man XF86Config
[08:47] <eikke> thoreauputic: what? :p
[08:47] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: where can I find where the modules load? so I can disable it from loading vesafb?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> eikke: well, sounds like you've confused your Ubuntu dreadfully ;-)
[08:48] <monoxide> eikke, boot into the live cd, mount /dev/hdb to a local area, then go to /path/to/hdb/etc/fstab and change /dev/hdc to /dev/hdb
[08:48] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: again, I don't know the answer, sorry
[08:48] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: oh, alright.
[08:48] <eikke> monoxide: it boots ok caus I only got one partition (/), and editted my grub config correctly
[08:48] <eikke> nice catch about fstab, forgot to edit it :s
[08:49] <monoxide> ;)
[08:49] <BrianAnthony> Could anyone elese tell me where I can disable modules? =/
[08:49] <lunatech> i want to install quiteinsane , but i get "Depends: gocr but it is not going to be installed"
[08:49] <monoxide> i had trouble with fstab without it booting, i needed to use the live cd to fix it... :/
[08:49] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: a stab in the dark would be to see if the module is in /etc/modules
[08:51] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: ah - you could put the module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist I think
[08:51] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: that should stop it loading
[08:59] <jk24> Hi
[09:00] <thoreauputic> hi
[09:00] <jk24> anybody running ilnux-image-2.6.11 ?
[09:00] <jk24> linux-image-2.6.11
[09:00] <thoreauputic> I'm sure someone is ;-)
[09:00] <thoreauputic> somewhere...
[09:00] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...don't you ever leave :P
[09:00] <monoxide> im using 2.6.10
[09:01] <Chipzz> I'm sure anyone who is is at leats mildly on crack ;)
[09:01] <pepsi> hrm
[09:01] <pepsi> 2.6.11 eh
[09:01] <thoreauputic> membreya: i'm not really here - it's a figment of your imagination ;)
[09:01] <membreya> aren't you all :P
[09:01] <monoxide> 2.6.11 == unstable release?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> membreya: BTW was that a not-so-subtle hint ? *grin*
[09:02] <ompaul> it just don't make sense to me
[09:02] <thoreauputic> ompaul: yeah but you just aren't a 1337 |-|4xx0r
[09:02] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:02] <membreya> it was actually my way of saying g'day :)
[09:02] <monoxide> ompaul, i use the latest stable versions
[09:03] <membreya> thoreauputic: get with the times..it's 37337 :)
[09:03] <monoxide> except im on hoary, but thats prity stable
[09:03] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - OK
[09:03] <membreya> stupid real player not working on stupid amd64 >:(
[09:04] <membreya> lolz0r!
[09:04] <jk24> pepsi: you're running 2.6.11 ? did your mouse slow-down when you switched to it ?
[09:04] <pepsi> im not running it
[09:04] <spacepopeye> How is real supported in linux?
[09:04] <T|-|0re4upu7|c> membreya: d00d, I'm s0000 13337
[09:05] <spacepopeye> Well/not at all?
[09:05] <membreya> spacepopeye: ...its just not supported for the a64 arch
[09:05] <m0n0x1d3> spacepopeye, you mean real media? mplayer plays them fine
[09:05] <spinifex> hey ubuntu guys.  An update a while ago made it so I can't use synaptic or the network manager anymore.  I launch them, and it shows the "starting .." thing on the taskbar, but then it just disappears
[09:05] <lunatech> i wanted to use some packages from hoary
[09:06] <lunatech> in warty that is
[09:06] <nn3nnbR3-> damn you!
[09:06] <nn3nnbR3y4> :D
[09:06] <spinifex> any advice as to why this would happen?  I'm using hoary
[09:06] <lunatech> will adding the hoary repo to the warty's sources.list cause a problem ?
[09:06] <nn3nnbR3y4> <l33tz0r!
[09:07] <spinifex> I can still use apt-get, of course, but how can I enable my wireless connection without the network configurator?
[09:07] <lunatech> spinifex, try launching synaptic from a terminal
[09:07] <thoreauputic> nn3nnbR3y4 pwns !
[09:08] <m0n0x1d3> :)
[09:08] <nn3nnbR3y4> :P
[09:08] <nn3nnbR3y4> new episode of lost is down ..doo dah ..doo dah
[09:08] <spinifex> hmm, running synaptic from the terminal works
[09:09] <spinifex> just fine.  Um, how do I launch the network configurator from terminal?
[09:09] <pepsi> network-admin
[09:09] <pepsi> ?
[09:09] <jk24> spinifex: sudo network-admin
[09:09] <lunatech> network-admin
[09:11] <spinifex> cool.  Any reason why it wont launch from the system->administration menu?
[09:11] <spinifex> hey, that changed, used to say desktop
[09:11] <lunatech> is there a multiverse for warty too ?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> lunatech: yes
[09:12] <lunatech> thoreauputic, and it has more packages than the universe ?
[09:13] <nn3nnbR3y4> erm....fakeroot..is there any advantage to that over say sudo'ing?
[09:13] <lunatech> i need to install quitesane
[09:13] <soren9580> is ubuntu a good Unix Distro to use for beginners?
[09:13] <lunatech> soren9580, seems like it
[09:13] <spinifex> yes, very much so
[09:13] <membreya> soren9580: Ive been in it for 2 weeks and I'm doing "ok'ish" :)
[09:13] <spinifex> you will love it
[09:13] <Myrtti> I managed to fuck up my Gnome again
[09:13] <thoreauputic> lunatech: it has "non-free" packages ( beyond the universe, in another dimension perhaps)
[09:13] <soren9580> its not for me
[09:13] <jk24> soren9580: yes, easy to install
[09:13] <soren9580> i'm starting a program at my school to loan unix machines to people who dont have a computer
[09:14] <Myrtti> sorry bout the language, but this is the second time this has happened, and I'm starting to think I'm quite stupid when I keep my repositories at hoary instead of warty
[09:14] <soren9580> and i need to decide on a good distro that will be easy for non-computer people to use
[09:14] <spinifex> well soren, I'm assuming most *nix systems are easy to use once set up properly.  Ubuntu is just much easier to set up, and change software on
[09:14] <membreya> soren9580: FreeBSD? :P
[09:14] <lunatech> thanks for the warning Myrtti , i was about to add hoary into my sources.
[09:15] <thoreauputic> lunatech: quiteinsane appears to exist in the universe...
[09:15] <lunatech> thoreauputic, but it refuses to install
[09:15] <Myrtti> lunatech: it works fine until updating fucks it up
[09:15] <Myrtti> or in my system it does
[09:15] <Myrtti> and I'm again at lost about what to do
[09:15] <lunatech> it wants gocre , which wants libpbm
[09:15] <Myrtti> not to mention that I really don't want to install my system again
[09:16] <soren9580> what do you guys think about something like Xandros or Lycoris in comparision to ubuntu in terms of ease of use
[09:16] <thoreauputic> lunatech: maybe it depends on something in multiverse? Don't know...
[09:16] <membreya> wb fellow aussie :P
[09:16] <monoxide> hmmmmm....
[09:16] <monoxide> ubuntu just froze on me...
[09:16] <monoxide> ty membreya
[09:16] <Myrtti> monoxide: what did you do?
[09:16] <Myrtti> use synaptic?
[09:16] <thoreauputic> soren9580: probably a bit easier, but I haven't looked at them lately
[09:16] <Myrtti> on hoary system?
[09:16] <monoxide> nothing. just crashed
[09:17] <spinifex> soren, does easy use include installing software, upgrading, and/or getting plugins, or just normal use without root priviledges?
[09:17] <monoxide> i was using apt-get, but not looking at it at the time
[09:17] <lunatech> i hope so too thoreauputic, i am installing a scanner for a n00b, don't want to leave her stuck with xscanimage
[09:17] <membreya> monoxide has quit (Read error: 69 (Erection reset by fear))
[09:17] <monoxide> LOL
[09:17] <monoxide> and yes, i am on hoary
[09:18] <Myrtti> I decided to download the updates and booted the system since it's been on for a while
[09:18] <thoreauputic> lunatech: hmm - does the gimp acquire function use xsane?
[09:18] <Myrtti> logged in on gdm, and everything goes ok until the whole gnome-panel has loaded
[09:18] <lunatech> thoreauputic, no
[09:18] <Myrtti> then it crashes
[09:18] <thoreauputic> I mean xscanimage
[09:18] <Myrtti> or freezes
[09:18] <membreya> Myrtti: what kernel?
[09:19] <Myrtti> hell if I know :-)
[09:19] <Myrtti> no wait
[09:19] <membreya> there's a patch out for -4 :)
[09:19] <membreya> Myrtti: cat /proc/version
[09:19] <monoxide> yea, i was in the middle of downloading it :/
[09:19] <Myrtti> 2.6.10-4-386
[09:19] <lunatech> thoreauputic, using a bash script to start xscanimage .. using a usb scanner
[09:19] <thoreauputic> lunatech: gimp appears to want to use Xsane here...
[09:20] <membreya> Myrtti: do a sudo apt-get update
[09:20] <membreya> and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:20] <spinifex> oh my, I clicked on search in synaptic and it crashed!
[09:20] <lunatech> thoreauputic, if you install the sane package, gimp will give you an option of xscanimage
[09:20] <spinifex> (synaptic:7921): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_draw_pixbuf: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed
[09:20] <spinifex> Gtk-ERROR **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 2447 (gtk_container_propagate_expose): assertion failed: (child->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container))
[09:20] <spinifex> aborting...
[09:21] <Myrtti> membreya: sorry if I'm sceptic, but I hope you're right
[09:21] <membreya> :D
[09:21] <membreya> otherwise flick back to -3 till 2.6.11 is properly released :)
[09:21] <spinifex> I get quite a few gdk/gtk errors.  What could be  the problem with this?
[09:21] <membreya> and it's skeptic...not sceptic :P
[09:22] <membreya> spinifex: were you holding your tongue the right way?  I know what it is :P)
[09:24] <thoreauputic> membreya: yeah, that pretty much sums it up ;)
[09:24] <Myrtti> membreya: sorry, not my native language, and I started to apt-get upgrade, so my console lags a bit... or ie. ssh to my shell provider where I run irssi on screen
[09:24] <monoxide> an english major that is a computer person? :/
[09:24] <Myrtti> and besides, I'm a bit pissed off
[09:25] <Myrtti> monoxide: not unusual
[09:25] <membreya> have you tried it yet Myrtti ? :P
[09:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: to be even more of an artist I have Adv.Dip, (Fine Arts) as well ;-)
[09:25] <Myrtti> tried what?
[09:25] <membreya> thoreauputic: gawd you may as well major in philosophy :P
[09:25] <membreya> the update numnutz
[09:26] <thoreauputic> membreya: working on it mate...
[09:26] <monoxide> Myrtti, i am horrible at english
[09:26] <Myrtti> membreya: see above, at :24
[09:26] <membreya> thoreauputic: do they offer a personal grooming course? :P
[09:26] <monoxide> i got an E in english last year.... :/
[09:26] <thoreauputic> membreya: haha - I failed that one miserably
[09:26] <Myrtti> I got an E on my final test on high school too, but that means a bit different thing here in Finland
[09:26] <monoxide> lol
[09:27] <Myrtti> it means Eximia Cum Laude Approbatur
[09:27] <Myrtti> the second best there is
[09:27] <monoxide> very good?
[09:27] <Myrtti> very good
[09:27] <Myrtti> but it was years ago
[09:27] <Myrtti> 1998 fall
[09:27] <membreya> hehe Myrtti ..you cum laude :P
[09:28] <membreya> curse you and your puns latin! curse youuuuuuu!
[09:28] <Myrtti> membreya: if it's possible for a woman to do that...
[09:28] <monoxide> here, an E in english means round 20% of your marks for the year down the drain...
[09:28] <membreya> ooooh a chick in the room....stacks on!
[09:28] <membreya> adam..your immaturity is showing
[09:28] <Myrtti> membreya: wonder that you haven't done /whois on me and then tried google
[09:28] <monoxide> lol
[09:28] <Myrtti> might help
[09:29] <Myrtti> ok, now boot
[09:29] <Myrtti> keep your fingers crossed
[09:29] <monoxide> explains the good marks tho... ;)
[09:30] <membreya> oi... I'm Victorian, not Taswegian
[09:30] <aj> only one head then?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> membreya: the Yarra breeds strange mutations...
[09:30] <monoxide> hehe
[09:33] <membreya> checking the sheep dip? time for your monthly bath already thoreauputic ?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> membreya: which month is it?
[09:34] <membreya> just remember you're about to take bath #2 thoreauputic
[09:34] <ions> I guess there are no gtk audio CD burning apps in the Ubuntu repos eh?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> membreya: saves water - ecologically sound
[09:35] <membreya> thoreauputic: the negative side is come bath time you're so oily the water just runs off :P
[09:35] <thoreauputic> ions: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/  << debs for gnomebaker
[09:36] <ions> ah cool
[09:36] <ions> thanks
[09:36] <spinifex> *pokes people*  Hey when ubuntu starts up it always sets my volume to maximum and it's really annoying cuz someone will IM me and it makes the sound all really loud and people stare at me.  How can I make it start up at a lower volume, or muted would be alright?
[09:36] <membreya> turn your speakers off
[09:36] <spinifex> I can't
[09:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: I sell the oil to BP, --- keeps me in hardware and food
[09:36] <spinifex> it's hardware
[09:36] <spinifex> I mean, it's a laptop with no hardware control for the speakers
[09:37] <membreya> great repo there thoreauputic ...hoary is empty :P good thing I compiled it myself
[09:37] <membreya> yup me!
[09:37] <spinifex> I could turn off the IM sounds if there was a way to make the taskbar flash when I recieve a message...
[09:37] <spinifex> (this is gaim)
[09:37] <membreya> spinifex: you can
[09:37] <membreya> well it flashes in the notify tray
[09:38] <spinifex> only if you tell it to hold back your messages..  and that's not very noticable
[09:38] <membreya> is if you're looking :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - you're right: i didn't notice as I have warty
[09:38] <membreya> easy solution spinifex, don't have friends
[09:38] <spinifex> bah
[09:38] <membreya> warty is SOOOOOOO passe!
[09:38] <flax> hello, i want to setup ubuntu linux as a primary domain controller with samba and ldap,.. since i couldnt find any information of how to do this on ubuntu, im now writing my own document after which i want to make a script for doing this on ubuntu
[09:39] <flax> current document: http://nergens.org/projects/samba/samba_ldap_pdc_ubuntu-hoary-1.sxw
[09:39] <thoreauputic> membreya: warty is s000000000 much stabler !
[09:39] <membreya> stable schmable..you running a mission critical server there thoreauputic ?
[09:39] <flax> where do i have to be in the ubuntu to start somekinda project for this? since i dont know anything about it; and i would like to make something what others can also use
[09:40] <spinifex> is there any way to make it flash the taskbar in gnome?  Or set the volume level on startup?
[09:40] <thoreauputic> membreya: I don't enjoy freeze ups and editing menu.lst files (lazy)
[09:40] <Myrtti> membreya: THANKS A GAZILLION TIMES
[09:40] <membreya> thoreauputic: your projection to people of your personal image gives that one away
[09:40] <membreya> Myrtti: it worked?
[09:40] <Myrtti> or whoever it was
[09:40] <Myrtti> it dit
[09:40] <Myrtti> did
[09:40] <membreya> cool :)
[09:40] <spinifex> oo  *tries something*
[09:41] <Myrtti> now, I'm off to school, time to study Ciscos CCNA3 again
[09:41] <membreya> yummy...CCNA :)
[09:41] <Myrtti> winter holiday starts today \o/
[09:41] <membreya> Myrtti: what you studying to become? (what level cisco engineer?)
[09:41] <thoreauputic> membreya: you're majoring in psychology? *g*
[09:41] <Myrtti> membreya: a true "slit-your-wrists-up-and-hope-noone-will-find-you-in-time" experience
[09:42] <membreya> thoreauputic: I'm a sociopath..I'm born to study people :)
[09:42] <Myrtti> membreya: BBA on economics, major in computer sciences and hopefully in programming, to be more precise
[09:42] <thoreauputic> membreya: haha - OK chalk one up yo you there :)
[09:42] <Myrtti> but now, time to go
[09:42] <thoreauputic> *to you
[09:42] <membreya> ciao ciao Myrtti :)
[09:42] <Myrtti> ta-ta
[09:42] <spinifex> heheh, UCSC is on slashdot for the post-it-note thing
[09:45] <monoxide> can anyone help me with my sound problems? mplayer keeps saying the sound devices are busy, and several programs just crash because of it.
[09:47] <monoxide> what?
[09:48] <spinifex> look for the process called esd and kill it
[09:50] <monoxide> ps aux | grep esd didnt return anything
[09:51] <membreya> hrm
[09:52] <membreya> how do you get samba to start at boot?
[09:52] <spinifex> hm, then try running esd and doing your stuff
[09:53] <delltony> i see array six has been changed to the 28th instead of the 24th was fixing to ask when array 6 was coming out :)
[09:53] <spinifex> some programs require it to be running, some require it to be dead.  Mostly media players want it running and games want it dead, I think, but since it runs be default I assumed you'd need the opposite
[09:53] <spinifex> s/be/by/
[09:54] <monoxide> esd closed itself
[09:54] <spinifex> closed itself?
[09:54] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # esd
[09:54] <spinifex> you type esd and it makes a boopbeepledeep sound.  then you run mplayer
[09:54] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew #
[09:55] <spinifex> I don't think you need to be root to run esd
[09:55] <bascule> you are running it as root? Then the apps need root priveleges to connect to it...
[09:55] <monoxide> it didnt make any sound
[09:55] <spinifex> whois monoxide
[09:55] <spinifex> oops
[09:55] <bascule> as root killall esd
[09:56] <spinifex> try running it as the same user as the media player you're running
[09:56] <bascule> the start it as normal user
[09:56] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ esd
[09:56] <monoxide> main.c: read() failed: No such file or directory
[09:56] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $
[09:56] <spinifex> main.c?
[09:56] <bascule> well that is an app bug
[09:56] <membreya> how do you get samba to start at boot??? :(
[09:56] <delltony> ok one thing im curious to know where can i check or what command can i issue to check what hoary array i'm running i know its 5 but just wondering if there is a command to runt o check
[09:56] <spinifex> o.o
[09:57] <flax> is there in the ubuntu community a way to start new things? Where can i find participants who want to join to make a document / eventualla a script that configures samba as PDC with LDAP?
[09:57] <monoxide> esd wont run
[09:58] <monoxide> membreya, it should by standard
[09:58] <membreya> monoxide: nope...everytime I boot I have to sudo /etc/init.d/samba start before my girlfriend can access my shared directories
[09:58] <spinifex> try updating?  =\  under system->preferences-> sound there shound be options for it
[09:59] <monoxide> so what should i do?
[09:59] <spinifex> "enable sound server startup" makes ESD start on boot
[09:59] <monoxide> really? mine starts at boot time
[10:00] <monoxide> spinifex, that is enabled
[10:00] <spinifex> hmm, dunno what's wrong with your ESD then.  Is it current?
[10:01] <monoxide> well there is an update for polypaudio, which im downloading amongst other updates, but im on dialup.... so its gonna take a while
[10:02] <spinifex> alright, good luck
[10:02] <monoxide> yea, thanks... i think il need it... it a nuisance tho, iv had to play my music via samba on my winXP machine...
[10:03] <spinifex> what's the best place to put aliases I want to apply to all accounts on startup?
[10:03] <monoxide> ever since updating to hoary a week or two ago.
[10:03] <bascule> membreya: chmod +x /etc/init.d/samba
[10:03] <spinifex> /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh doesn't appear to do it
[10:04] <bascule> /etc/profile
[10:04] <bascule> careful though
[10:04] <spinifex> careful of what?
[10:04] <membreya> bascule: chmod was fine :| got my stumped
[10:04] <membreya> oh well
[10:04] <bascule> adding broken things
[10:04] <membreya> going to kill my system
[10:05] <prego> morning. In hoary nautilus does not show the SMB browsing. What am I missing? that was one of the good points of Warty (IMHO)...
[10:05] <tolstoy_> monoxide, not sure if it'll help, but did you try using the media selector and changing from esd to oss?
[10:05] <membreya> when ubuntu is finally released  and I get a 200gb sata drive
[10:06] <monoxide> tolstoy_, i have tryied esd, alsa and oss. no luck
[10:06] <bascule> what tranfer rates do you actually get on an SATA?
[10:06] <monoxide> esd crashes beep, alsa and oss freeze it
[10:07] <monoxide> bascule, no idea what the stats for it, but i have noticed the difference by a fair bit
[10:07] <bascule> k
[10:07] <monoxide> takeing a guess.... 125-150% better than IDE?
[10:07] <bascule> wow, that is worth it, probably
[10:07] <Pluk> nah
[10:07] <Pluk> its just the interface thats changed
[10:08] <bascule> Pluk: what is your guess?
[10:08] <membreya> i like it for the thin cables :P
[10:08] <Pluk> current sata wowness is just marketing
[10:08] <membreya> plus hotplugging
[10:08] <membreya> SATA is 150mb/s
[10:08] <bascule> yeah assuming not raptors or anything that prricey
[10:08] <membreya> highest IDE goes is 133
[10:08] <membreya> but as usual
[10:08] <bascule> SATA is theoretically 150MB/s
[10:08] <monoxide> if you are getting a new comp, then yea it is. but if your gonna replace your current harddrive then not really
[10:08] <membreya> that's burst speed
[10:08] <Pluk> membreya,  max transfer rate of the interface is 150
[10:08] <membreya> IIRC sata can sustain 100
[10:08] <Pluk> the disks are still the the same as with pata
[10:09] <bascule> except raptors?
[10:09] <membreya> raptors rock :)
[10:09] <membreya> but uber expensive
[10:09] <bascule> OK
[10:09] <membreya> Pluk: what about SATA II?
[10:09] <Pluk> 36gb though
[10:09] <Pluk> sataII will make a diff with NCQ
[10:09] <monoxide> i definently noticed the difference in a reallife teset
[10:09] <membreya> 36gb is supposed to be a rattle trap
[10:09] <bascule> so that is just a SCSI with an SATA connector
[10:10] <bascule> lol
[10:10] <Pluk> i get 55mb/sec btw with hdparm
[10:10] <Pluk> but i didnt buy the raptor for transfer speeds
[10:10] <Pluk> accestimes are pretty good with it
[10:10] <membreya> hdparm gives me 30mb/s :|
[10:11] <Pluk> my 120gb pata gives 44mb/sec
[10:11] <bascule> mine is about that too
[10:11] <membreya> im using 120gb wd SATA w/8mb cache :|
[10:11] <Myrtti> there, at school
[10:12] <Pluk> thats a pretty sucky speed membreya :S no offence
[10:12] <membreya> not kidding pluk
[10:12] <Pluk> lol
[10:12] <membreya> but my nforce3 isn't support natively in the kernel right now
[10:12] <Pluk> nforce3 here too
[10:12] <membreya> hmmmmm grrrr
[10:13] <monoxide> does the drive need to be unmounted to be able to use hdparm?
[10:13] <membreya> any tweaks you're running on linux Pluk ?
[10:13] <membreya> monoxide: it just takes a bit to start :)
[10:13] <Pluk> only a custom kernel
[10:13] <Pluk> but the stock gives me about the same speeds if a remeber well
[10:14] <monoxide> how do i check the speed?
[10:14] <membreya> sudo hdparm -t /dev/xxx :)
[10:14] <Pluk> membreya, hdparm -i /dev/hda
[10:14] <membreya> oh -i :)
[10:14] <Pluk> check for udma modes
[10:14] <Pluk> mine has *udma5
[10:15] <Pluk> whats urs?
[10:15] <membreya> lba = no piomode=pio0
[10:15] <membreya> >:(
[10:15] <membreya> same as I can't enable DMA on my dvd drive
[10:15] <monoxide> udma4 on IDE
[10:15] <bascule> nforce3 boy, I remember .. ah well :(
[10:15] <Pluk> sorry speeds indeed is hdparm -t /dev/xxx
[10:16] <monoxide> ohhh... -i on my sata drive is near empty...
[10:16] <membreya> grrr why the @#@!@%@ isn't dma enabled on my drives..or more udma
[10:16] <membreya> what mobo Pluk ?
[10:16] <membreya> and you did NOTHING to the kernel? :(
[10:16] <Pluk> shuttle barebone
[10:17] <membreya> epox amd64
[10:17] <thoreauputic> hmm udma5 by default. Interesting.
[10:18] <membreya> someone copy and paste the line for udma :P
[10:18] <thoreauputic> UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[10:18] <thoreauputic> asterisk is current setting
[10:18] <membreya> nope, all i have is the line for pio
[10:19] <bascule> membreya: nforce3?
[10:19] <spinifex> hmm, well I got it to say MESSAGE in place of the normal text when I recieve something in gaim, but it's still not very noticable.  Why can't gnome flash the taskbar?
[10:19] <membreya> it's between IORDY and AdvancePM?
[10:19] <Pluk> membreya, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[10:19] <membreya> bascule: yup nforce3 250
[10:19] <membreya> Pluk: SATA
[10:19] <membreya> can't d1 it
[10:19] <bascule> and the drivers are in?
[10:19] <membreya> and hda is my dvd drive :)
[10:19] <Pluk> ah i understood you had pata
[10:19] <membreya> bascule: using sata_nv as the module
[10:19] <Myrtti> I'll return to my normal channels and leave you enthusiastics here
[10:19] <Myrtti> tata
[10:19] <Pluk> :)
[10:19] <membreya> ciao
[10:20] <Pluk> toedels
[10:20] <prego> let's try it again....
[10:20] <prego> morning. In hoary nautilus does not show the SMB browsing.     SATA: 35.14MB/s
[10:22] <thoreauputic> monoxide: hmm 42 MB/sec here on IDE
[10:23] <justino> u
[10:23] <justino> can any one tell me how to map a drive?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> justino: I think you mean "mount"
[10:24] <justino> yip
[10:24] <justino> this is all new to me...
[10:24] <thoreauputic> mount -t <filetype> /dev/hdX /mnt/yourdirectory
[10:24] <thoreauputic> actually that needs a sudo in front as well
[10:25] <spinifex> do you really need the type?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> e.g. sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winXP
[10:25] <thoreauputic> spinifex: not usually
[10:26] <thoreauputic> spinifex: unless it's something that isn't in fstab and has an odd fs
[10:26] <justino> and i do this from the root terminal or just the terminal?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> eg mount -t nfs
[10:26] <scizzo> morning everyone
[10:26] <spinifex> I had a weird problem with using a fat32 partition on debian.  I moved some files onto it, but I couldn't see them from windows.  People told me to chkdsk, which I did, and it horribly mutilated the files and made tons of crap in that directory
[10:27] <thoreauputic> justino: it's actually better to change /etc/fstab so a normal user can mount stuff
[10:27] <prego> spinifex, in my Hoary now tries ext2 prior to ext3, so if you have an ext3 filesystem you have to pass the ext3 type as an option otherwise it is mounted as ext2 :-(
[10:27] <justino> excuse my ignorance thor but dont know where or how to change that
[10:27] <spinifex> what happens if you mount and it guesses the wrong type?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> justino: understandable :)
[10:28] <justino> plus i am running this thru vmware - will that have an impact on mounting?
[10:28] <prego> spinifex, but it still mounts afterall?
[10:28] <spinifex> yes
[10:28] <thoreauputic> justino: the file is /etc/fstab and you can look at it in a terminal by typing for instance ` less /etc/fstab `
[10:29] <prego> spinifex, bad news I guess
[10:29] <thoreauputic> without the backquotes...
[10:29] <membreya> hrm
[10:29] <prego> justino: is vmware on?????
[10:29] <spinifex> the time it mutilated my files, I hadn't specified a partition type
[10:29] <membreya> still no different
[10:29] <membreya> but I couldnt find an option for legacy
[10:29] <membreya> only DMA and block mode
[10:30] <lunatech> is there any harm is shuttin down rsyncd, postfix, ntpdate and fam daemons ?
[10:30] <prego> spinifex, that might be the clue
[10:30] <lunatech> these are started by default, don't want them running
[10:30] <prego> lunatech, probably not
[10:30] <justino> preggo: yes
[10:30] <lunatech> cool , thanks prego
[10:30] <prego> lunatech, hoewever fam is interesting if you are using gnome
[10:30] <spinifex> heh, from now on I'll copy rather than move across filesystems, regardless of how big the file is
[10:31] <lunatech> good point prego, i will leave it running
[10:31] <prego> lunatech, otherwise if you change a file from outside nautilus you will have to refresh the view
[10:31] <monoxide> why would hdparm -t /dev/hdb muck up my comp for a while?
[10:31] <monoxide> there is only one partition mapped to /home/
[10:31] <lunatech> prego, any ideas why rsyncd is running ?
[10:31] <prego> lunatech, rsyncd is totaly unnecessary for normal use
[10:31] <membreya> but my dmesg says "ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/133"
[10:31] <prego> lunatech, If I want to rsync, I use ssh
[10:31] <thoreauputic> monoxide: hdparm can do funny things to your hard drive I believe
[10:32] <Pluk> it can even harm
[10:32] <prego> lunatech, probably rsyncd is running since you installed the package? I don't know
[10:32] <Pluk> membreya, isnt that your cdrom?
[10:32] <lunatech> cool , thanks prego
[10:33] <prego> justino, AFAIK I woudl not mount a filesystem already being in use by vmware
[10:33] <monoxide> does linux have a chkdsk equivalent?
[10:33] <prego> monoxide, fsck.ext3 for instance?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> fsck?
[10:34] <membreya> Pluk: members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/dmesg.txt
[10:34] <membreya> monoxide: reboot 30 times :)
[10:34] <lunatech> is the command update-rc.d remove postfix or stop postfix ?
[10:35] <justino> thor: this is what i get "# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[10:35] <justino> #
[10:35] <justino> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[10:35] <justino> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[10:35] <justino> /dev/sda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:35] <justino> /dev/sda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[10:35] <justino> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:35] <justino> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto"
[10:36] <thoreauputic> umm... thank you for sharing :/
[10:36] <justino> ;-)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> justino: consider using #flood next time?
[10:37] <justino> i'm considering hitting my head against the wall in frustration
[10:37] <justino> is that not suppsed to be shown to public?
[10:37] <membreya> read it yet Pluk  ? :P
[10:38] <thoreauputic> justino: more than 5 lines or so is considered rather bad form
[10:38] <justino> sorry
[10:38] <thoreauputic> justino: you have only one hard drive partition that I can see in that fstab
[10:39] <thoreauputic> /dev/sda1
[10:39] <spinifex> true, so he couldn't really mount something local
[10:40] <thoreauputic> justino: what were you wanting to mount?
[10:41] <monoxide> fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb
[10:41] <FAST> what is the console command to empty the wastebasket?
[10:41] <Pluk> looks all ok membreya
[10:41] <Pluk> just finished comparing :)
[10:41] <monoxide> i get that for all 5 non / partitions...
[10:41] <thoreauputic> monoxide: don't run fsck on a mounted file system btw
[10:41] <monoxide> infact i get that for my root partition too...
[10:42] <membreya> yet I get  PIO modes:  pio0 >:( and that's it
[10:42] <membreya> gah
[10:42] <membreya> bbiab
[10:42] <thoreauputic> FAST: something like rm -rf .Trash I think
[10:42] <justino> thor:would like to see my files/folders in my 2 local drives as well as shared folders on my network
[10:42] <spinifex> thoreauputic: is it possible he's referring to this: http://helpline.concordia.ca/network/mapping.htm  ?
[10:42] <monoxide> ohhh...
[10:43] <monoxide> well how am i meant to run it then? most of my partitions are of system critical folders...
[10:43] <monoxide> hmmmm....
[10:44] <thoreauputic> spinifex: yes, but isn't windows "mapping" the analogue of *nix "mounting" (eg nfs mounts)
[10:45] <monoxide> thats how i understand it, but tgere are fairly major differences between the two... eg *nix's lack of "drive letters"
[10:46] <thoreauputic> justino: do you know the master/slave relationships for your local drives? eg  if they are /dev/hdb or whatever?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> or /dev/sdX etc
[10:46] <monoxide> which i suppose you can emulate with symlinks at /c/ and /d/ etc
[10:47] <FAST> thanks thoreauputic
[10:47] <thoreauputic> FAST: :) no worries
[10:47] <justino> /dev/hdc
[10:47] <spinifex> wait, he said he's running this through vmware.  Perhaps he wants to access his windows files from it-- then there would be no physical partition for the OS he's coming from, so that hd may be the one to mount
[10:48] <spinifex> hdc is mounted as your cdrom drive
[10:48] <justino> spinifex: they are my windows files
[10:48] <thoreauputic> spinifex: hmm - I don't know anything about vmware - perhaps you can help him
[10:49] <spinifex> I don't either.  I just looked it up in wiki
[10:49] <spinifex> heh, justino, why not just use a liveCD or something?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> spinifex: that partition is ext3 - is this a linux partition he wants? I'm lost at this point
[10:51] <justino> spinifex: trying to get into shares on our server - all running MS
[10:51] <thoreauputic> and /dev/cdrom0 is definitely a CD -ROM
[10:51] <monoxide> what is vmware anyway?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> monoxide: a vitual machine you can run other OS s in
[10:52] <Pluk> monoxide, it emulates pchardware
[10:52] <spinifex> but sda1 is already mounted as root
[10:52] <justino> its a virtual machine
[10:52] <Pluk> works pretty nice
[10:54] <spinifex> oh so that's what you're trying to do.  He wants to access the shared windows drives from linux on vmware, like how he said you'd map a drive in windows.  I don't know how to do this, but I'm sure some of you do
[10:54] <tuxJr_14> hi
[10:54] <monoxide> i downloaded the updates to ESD and still nothing is working
[10:54] <monoxide> maybe its the config for something somewhere?
[10:54] <spinifex> er, I said that ambiguously.  Anyway, the drive he wants to mount is external
[10:55] <Pluk> in vmware easiest way os through networking
[10:55] <Pluk> cuz you dont want to give vmware raw disk access
[10:55] <membreya> Pluk: quick question..do you have S.M.A.R.T enabled in your BIOS?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> sounds like samba is needed then?
[10:56] <Pluk>  dunno membreya
[10:56] <membreya> gah
[10:56] <Pluk> thought yes
[10:57] <spinifex> if anyone knows how to access windows network shared folders from linux, I'd like to hear it too
[10:57] <membreya> hmmm weird
[10:57] <membreya> I just retested my hdparm after disabling block mode
[10:57] <membreya> im getting 50 - 60 mb/s
[10:57] <membreya> but its still pio0
[10:58] <Pluk> hdparm isnt for sata so it could be wrong
[10:58] <Pluk> only thing it can do good oon sata is benchmarking
[10:58] <prego> FAST, probaby sthing like "rm -rf ~/.Trash" but check it twice
[10:58] <justino> thanks for trying to help
[10:59] <Pluk> rm -rf ~/.Trash/*
[10:59] <thoreauputic> prego: where have you been? he asked that like 15 minutes ago ;)
[10:59] <Pluk> some apps dont like haveng the whole trashfolder deleted
[11:04] <FAST> apparently you cant drag images from firefox onto the desktop and save them like that
[11:05] <Pluk> hmmm i can
[11:05] <Pluk> running xfce though
[11:05] <pepsi> just worked for me.. asked if i wanted to link or download, but it popped up behind the browser window
[11:05] <Pluk> dunno if that makes a diff
[11:05] <Pluk> apparently not
[11:05] <FAST> the filename saves right, but the properties of the file say it's a desktop configuration file
[11:06] <FAST> and you can double click it and a warning comes up preventin g you from running/viewing it
[11:06] <FAST> in gnome..
[11:06] <pepsi> dunno
[11:07] <Pluk> can you drag and drop into  folder?
[11:08] <thoreauputic> still shows as a desktop config file
[11:10] <monoxide> alright.... fsck is saying that there is "a bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb" (/dev/hdb is not mounted)
[11:12] <monoxide> its suggestion of "e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hdb" just brings up the same error
[11:13] <monoxide> gnome froze again and i had to reboot and there was a heap of errors on the hdd...
[11:15] <soundsys> hi
[11:16] <soundsys> dunno why yet , g++ gcc and configure are not on the command line, investigating
[11:16] <monoxide> bad $PATH?
[11:17] <thoreauputic> soundsys: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:18] <monoxide> well theres the problem.... /dev/hdb1! :P
[11:18] <soundsys> heh i was just reading that from the faq, trying
[11:19] <soundsys> strange, one would think installing the gcc would do it
[11:19] <spinifex> what is build-essential?
[11:21] <Cube-ness> hey.. tryin gto figure out just whats going wrong.. kernel hangs, sometimes gives panic message or a couple Ooops messages.. how can i get slogs of the problems?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> spinifex: stuff needed for compiling and building
[11:21] <abelli> is it possible to change cursors in hoary?
[11:21] <abelli> thoreauputic: ciao
[11:22] <spinifex> yeah but what stuff?  It says it's just a list.  I already have gcc and g++, and can build things...
[11:22] <monoxide> is anything mission critical stored in /var?
[11:22] <spinifex> what does it really do?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> spinifex: it's a meta-package that pulls other stuff like gcc in
[11:23] <spinifex> oh.  It didn't pull anything when I selected it
[11:23] <thoreauputic> spinifex: so if you already installed what you need, nothing much happens
[11:24] <spinifex> um, alright.  I suppose I could get it anyway for updates' sake.  =p
[11:25] <thoreauputic> spinifex: it's mostly for building debian packages I think, anyway
[11:27] <spinifex> hey, I can make gaim run a command rather than making a sound when I get a message.  Is there any sort of graphical attention-getting command for gnome I could use?  Something like the taskbar flicker in windows
[11:27] <thoreauputic> it depends on the packages it lists - so it's the easy way to get a build environment in one hit
[11:31] <Zindar> spiniflex: gmessage
[11:32] <Zindar> -l
[11:32] <thoreauputic> or install xpenguins and have penguins cascading down the screen when a message arrives *g*
[11:33] <spinifex> heheh
[11:37] <spinifex> heheh..  how do I make this stop..  lol, I don't think the penguins would work out for multiple notifies, and it draws em on the desktop so I might not notice
[11:39] <spinifex> =\  well I gotta sleep now.  gnite ubuntu peeps
[11:39] <thoreauputic> spinifex: heh - yeah you have to kill them or ctrl-c them
[11:39] <spinifex> yeah I killed the penguins, heheh
[11:39] <thoreauputic> spinifex: the ppc version has a control applet
[11:40] <thoreauputic> killall xpenguins !
[11:40] <spinifex> lol.  I'd be surprised that there's no taskbar flash thingy.  *googles*
[11:43] <priest> is the mplayer binary in multiverse working for anyone? i have tried on 3 diffrent boxes and mplayer is broken on alll of them.
[11:43] <ago73> Hi all
[11:44] <ago73> I am having lots of problems with latest 2.6.10-4 kernel on Hoary
[11:44] <ago73> It often hangs
[11:44] <spinifex> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120439   hmm
[11:44] <ago73> And it is logging several MB of timeout errors
[11:45] <spinifex> I don't know how to apply this patch, but it appears to be what I want
[11:45] <ago73> Kernel 2.6.10-3 is fine but not -4
[11:46] <Fajjer> mplayer isn't working for me either, what is wrong?
[11:46] <spinifex> erf gotta sleep.  bye
[11:47] <Kamping_kaiser> no mplayer here. i just goet xmms
[11:47] <Kamping_kaiser> *got
[11:48] <eikke> if I need a package that's in Debian (libpam-smb), how can I get it?
[11:48] <priest> ago73: just -3, or compile a kernel ;)
[11:48] <priest> -j
[11:51] <soundsys> hmm
[11:51] <soundsys> still no configure
[11:51] <soundsys> ./configure gives me permission denied
[11:53] <ago73> priest do you have an idea why this is happening? Did it happen to others as well or am I the only unlucky one
[11:54] <ago73> The syslog is full of (unusual) entries like: process_timeout, do_poll, sys_poll, sys_gettimeofday,__pollwait...
[11:54] <ubuntudave> does anyone know of any reason that setting an essid with iwconfig wouldn't work?
[11:54] <BeTa> Hi, I've already installed 4 ubuntu on i386 (and 1 on PPC) and every i386 WS doesn't stop automatically
[11:54] <BeTa> I need to press 5 seconds (ATX property) on the power button
[11:55] <BeTa> any tip to play w/ APM or things like that ?
[11:56] <ago73> A friend of mine is having problems with grub after a fresh intsall.
[11:56] <ago73> It hangs after "Loading stage 1.5", but no error message
[11:56] <ago73> Any idea?
[12:07] <ago73> Hi again, my pc just hanged, had to do a hard reboot :)
[12:08] <ago73> I posted before a couple of questions on kernel 2.6.10-4 and about grub. If anybody answered could you pls repeat your msg?
[12:09] <ago73> Regarding my haning problems with kernel 2.6.10-6 it seems to be related to gam_server
[12:09] <ago73> I have lots of: scheduling while atomic gam_server
[12:10] <ago73> Then lots of schedulin/poll/timeout errors
[12:10] <ago73> Any idea?
[12:11] <ubuntudave> hey ago
[12:11] <ago73> It only happens with 2.6.10-4 not with 10-3
[12:11] <ago73> Hi ubuntudave
[12:12] <ubuntudave> append "noinotify" to the boot option and it wont happen
[12:12] <ago73> Need some hints here :)
[12:12] <ubuntudave> or rollback to 10-3
[12:12] <ago73> Thx
[12:12] <ubuntudave> check the forums - it's discussed in detail there too
[12:13] <Nermal> anyone know how to install mplayer or libdvdcss2 in hoary ?
[12:13] <membreya> hmmm I upgrade to 2.6.10-3 and nvidia module no longer works :|
[12:13] <Nermal> I've added the nerim ftp sources but it's still not installable :|
[12:14] <ago73> ubuntudave,  I had another Q above on Grub ahnging while loading 1.5, any hint here?
[12:14] <ago73> This is to help a friend who just installed ubuntu
[12:14] <membreya> ubuntudave: I believe they've updated the kernel ..if you do a apt-get upgrade it should fix it
[12:14] <ubuntudave> cool membreya - only got this one today ehe
[12:14] <ubuntudave> ago73, i've no ideas
[12:15] <membreya> so any ideas how I get the nvidia module to load with the new kernel??
[12:15] <membreya> i do a modprobe and it says module not found
[12:15] <membreya> the nvidia.ko is only found under lib modules for -3 kernel
[12:15] <ubuntudave> try uninstalling it / reinstalling it - my only advice i'm afraid :P
[12:16] <membreya> whats the apt-get equivelent of remove all in synaptic?
[12:16] <ubuntudave> having a boring time here trying to get ndiswrapper to want to work with my wlan card =/ to think, it was easier on my laptop!
[12:16] <ubuntudave> membreya, it should auto remove dependencies
[12:17] <membreya> apt-get remove?
[12:17] <mvo> membreya: right click on a package and select "remove"
[12:17] <membreya> mvo: I'm talking about from a console :)
[12:17] <ubuntudave> "sudo apt-get --purge remove <X>"
[12:18] <membreya> cheers :D
[12:18] <ubuntudave> nps
[12:18] <mvo> membreya: oh, this way around :)
[12:32] <ago73> My wirelless card gets switched off periodically. The only way I know to turn on is to use:
[12:32] <ago73> modprobe -r ipw2200 && moprobe ipw2200
[12:33] <ago73> Why is this happening?
[12:33] <ubuntudave> i run ipw2200 on my laptop without such probs ago73 , so afraid i can't help =/
[12:42] <chibifs> I've got.... a VIRUS! :O
[12:44] <bascule> windows?
[12:44] <id_ID> chibifs, what's virus..??
[12:44] <id_ID> do u using linux and got virus..??
[12:45] <chibifs> W32/Magistr.a@MM :/ .. Infected a bit of WINE and some of my .dll codecs. :/
[12:45] <id_ID> chibifs, it's windows virus
[12:45] <chibifs> I'm aware. :D
[12:45] <id_ID> it's can't damaged u'r linux
[12:45] <bascule> chibifs: that was a nasty one, left long enough it corruptet the MBR
[12:46] <bascule> I think it alsao made dektop icons jump away from the mouse ...
[12:46] <chibifs> Hehe. :P
[12:46] <bascule> <-- ex-repeair tech
[12:47] <chibifs> cg.dll in wine. :/
[12:47] <bascule> go to symantec and get a removal tool :))
[12:48] <bascule> wonder if it will work
[12:48] <chibifs> Hehe.. How about I just delete the files? :P
[12:48] <bascule> oooooo =-O
[12:48] <chibifs> You want me to run the removal tool under wine? xD
[12:48] <bascule> yeah, have a go :))
[12:48] <bascule> funny if nothing else
[12:49] <eli> hello?
[12:49] <bascule> hi elli
[12:49] <eli> hello bascule
[12:49] <bascule> eli
[12:49] <bascule> sorry
[12:49] <eli> np
[12:49] <eli> do you amd64?
[12:50] <bascule> not personally
[12:50] <eli> would you know the difference between 'amd64-k8-smp' and 'md64-k8-smp'
[12:51] <eli> or amd64-generic
[12:51] <bascule> no, but I suspect a typo
[12:51] <bascule> smp is multi-pocessor
[12:51] <bascule> processor*
[12:51] <eli> so that would be dual core you mean?
[12:51] <bascule> no, actually more than one proc
[12:52] <eli> oh, ok... thanks :)
[12:52] <eli> then what is k8?
[12:52] <chibifs> amd64. :P
[12:52] <eli> :P
[12:52] <bascule> though the dual-core HT thing is a bit of an argument really as to wether it needs smp or not
[12:52] <bascule> yeah k7 is athlon xp k8 amd64
[12:53] <eli> then is there a difference with amd64-generic or amd64-k8?
[12:53] <chibifs> K6 = Duron, K7 = Athlon, K8 = 64
[12:53] <HiddenWolf> bascule: amd64 /opteron
[12:53] <soundsys> hmm what to do when g++ can't find -luuid and synaptic says it's there :/
[12:53] <Neil3> K7 is also duron
[12:53] <eli> oh
[12:53] <eli> great
[12:53] <bascule> chibifs: I just noticed that mistake, thanks
[12:53] <eli> thanks
[12:53] <Neil3> K6 is K6
[12:53] <chibifs> \
[12:53] <eli> so k8 is the athlon 64 bit
[12:53] <eli> good to hear
[12:53] <chibifs> I thought Duron was a k6? :o
[12:53] <eli> thanks for clearing that up
[12:53] <Neil3> K7 = duron/athlon/athlon xp
[12:53] <bascule> yeah K6 was a funny little 16KB cache thing
[12:53] <chibifs> OH! Thunderbird was k6.
[12:54] <Neil3> tbird is also k7
[12:54] <bascule> yup
[12:54] <Neil3> the k6 series were socket 7
[12:54] <bascule> did tbird have 3dNom! ?
[12:54] <Neil3> yeah
[12:54] <eli> is this vitally important in choosing which linix-restricted modules i install?
[12:54] <Neil3> even the k6-2 has 3dnow
[12:54] <chibifs> Come on.. o_O;.. I swear one of those was in a giant box, and you plugged the box into a long slot. :o
[12:54] <bascule> ah, never knew that
[12:55] <Neil3> yeah the thunderbird, slot a athlon
[12:55] <bascule> chibifs: nah that was p2/3
[12:55] <Neil3> which is k7
[12:55] <Neil3> 7th generation x86 based chip
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> neil3: name me one usefull function that uses 3dnow
[12:55] <chibifs> And all of the processors of the series were the same, and all you had to do to change them was solder some stuff. :O
[12:55] <Neil3> cant think of any in linux
[12:55] <Neil3> but lots of directx games use it
[12:55] <bascule> HiddenWolf: OpenGL
[12:55] <Neil3> and drivers for graphics cards
[12:56] <Neil3> handles lighting stuff or something
[12:56] <StoffBox-Steve> Neil3: take a lock at the Cpuinfo, when you have the Cpu installed :)
[12:56] <bascule> fancy flop stuff I guess
[12:56] <mike__> how do i enable my root user?
[12:56] <Neil3> cat /proc/cpuinfo StoffBox-Steve?
[12:56] <eli> sudo -s
[12:56] <StoffBox-Steve> jap Neil ... sudo cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:57] <Neil3> yep
[12:57] <Neil3> and 3dnow is there
[12:57] <Neil3> along with 3dnowext
[12:57] <Neil3> since this is an athlon xp :)
[12:57] <StoffBox-Steve> my xp2000+ has this flag .. and i think many of the Thunderbrid has the same
[12:57] <StoffBox-Steve> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[12:58] <Neil3> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[12:58] <Neil3> thats mine
[12:58] <bascule> Neil3: if you run mplayer custom, or built it, does it show as a flag when you run 'mplayer some.media'
[12:58] <mike__> it wont let me copy anything to my desktop because it says i dont have permission, but i want to just log in as root and not have to do alot of the stuff through the termenal, how do i accomplish that?
[12:58] <bascule> mike__: don't
[12:58] <StoffBox-Steve> same as mine Neil3 :D
[12:58] <mike__> ok
[12:58] <Neil3> mine has the mp flag which your's doesnt, StoffBox-Steve
[12:59] <Neil3> multiprocessing perhaps?
[12:59] <StoffBox-Steve> :) Neil3
[12:59] <Neil3> bascule, no idea
[12:59] <bascule> k
[12:59] <Neil3> i use totem-xine ;)
[12:59] <bascule> ah, cause I was wondering in relation to HiddenWolf's question wether or not it had any use
[12:59] <StoffBox-Steve> xine with w32codecs :D
[01:00] <Neil3> yeah the w32codecs too
[01:00] <bascule> if it shows in mplayer it'll be used by mencoder, thus better encoding speeds
[01:00] <Neil3> doing a fine job
[01:00] <Neil3> i'd assume those programs would use it
[01:00] <Neil3> but you never know
[01:00] <bascule> it certainly uses sse and sse2 under p4
[01:01] <Adrenal> is the new firefox on the backports yet?
[01:01] <StoffBox-Steve> my mplayer dosent start so i kick it to the universe :D
[01:01] <StoffBox-Steve> i think no Adrenal but will be the next days :)
[01:02] <Adrenal> grand
[01:02] <Adrenal> good old backports
[01:02] <photoguy151> is the master harddive hda1 or 0?
[01:02] <Neil3> hmm i can see an mplayer-k6 package in synaptic
[01:03] <bascule> why are they called backports if it is newer software? Pedantic, but I am interested
[01:03] <Neil3> and a k7 one that just installs the k6 one heh
[01:03] <StoffBox-Steve> shit, only one ChesseBurger ... still need more Food  :S
[01:03] <Kronae> can somebody tell me something?
[01:03] <Kronae> i need help
[01:03] <StoffBox-Steve> about what Kronae?
[01:03] <Kronae> do i have to set the linux partition as active to install linux?
[01:04] <bascule> no
[01:04] <Kronae> ok
[01:04] <Kronae> thanks
[01:04] <bascule> in fact to active partitions renders a machine un-bootable
[01:04] <Kronae> ok
[01:04] <Kronae> thanks
[01:04] <bascule> np
[01:04] <Kronae> cya
[01:04] <Kronae> [[] ]
[01:04] <bascule> laters
[01:04] <StoffBox-Steve> no only you what to install the bootloader not in the MDR .. than you need it so the bios can boot form the partition
[01:05] <Adrenal> bascule: its actually quite an interesting story, dating back to...oh, a bagle
[01:05] <bascule> ah well =]
[01:05] <bascule> Adrenal: honestly ..?
[01:05] <Adrenal> yes
[01:05] <Adrenal> i really like bagels
[01:05] <kroon> Can apt-get/dpkg list obsolete packages, that is packages that are not in any of the sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:06] <bascule> Adrenal: anythingn more on theis bagel/backport stiry?
[01:06] <bascule> story*
[01:07] <StoffBox-Steve> apt can't list a package that it dosent know ....
[01:07] <photoguy151> can someone tell me how to mnt my windows partition if its on the master hdd?
[01:07] <kroon> StoffBox-Steve, well, aptitude can list them, so I figured apt-get or dpkg could too
[01:07] <kroon> StoffBox-Steve, I jsut cant figure out how
[01:08] <bascule> photoguy151: ubuntuguide.org
[01:08] <bascule> nice detailed instructions
[01:08] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo -s mount -t fat32 /dev/hda1 /mnt/mountpoint .... <<< must be right photoguy151
[01:08] <bascule> what is -s
[01:09] <scizzo> bascule: man sudo
[01:09] <bascule> :)
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve> take a look at the man page :D >>
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve>  -s  The -s (shell) option runs the shell specified by the SHELL envi-
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve>            ronment variable if it is set or the shell as specified in
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve>            passwd(5).
[01:10] <bascule> thanks
[01:10] <StoffBox-Steve> NTN bascule
[01:11] <onid> hello, i'm trying to get hardware acceleration for an ati card. I have the "linux-restricted-modules" package installed and changed the Driver to "fglrx" on XF86Config-4 but gdm refuses to start. Any sugestions to get direct rendering?
[01:11] <traps> Hello guys, Im helping a friend in linux and hes running ubuntu - he wants to install the ATI driver
[01:11] <onid> heh traps, join the club!! :D
[01:12] <traps> how does ubuntu handle rpms?
[01:12] <traps> rpm2tar 1st, ou does rpm actually work on ubuntu?
[01:12] <bascule> StoffBox-Steve: NTN? I can't find it
[01:12] <onid> traps, there is a small program called alien that transforms from one package format to the other
[01:12] <chibifs> traps - Don't use the rpm, use the ubuntu package? :P
[01:12] <traps> ok, is there a url for that?
[01:12] <StoffBox-Steve> traps: google is allways good :D -> 3rd found > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-987.html
[01:13] <onid> the thing is that there is already in warty a package that installs the fglrx module
[01:13] <traps> whats ubuntus packages management called?
[01:13] <StoffBox-Steve> No Thanks Needed bascule :D
[01:13] <traps> thanx you re a time saver!!!
[01:13] <chibifs> deb. debian packages. :P
[01:13] <bascule> ah, well I won't thank you then, but ... :))
[01:13] <StoffBox-Steve> traps: i know how to use google thats all :)
[01:14] <StoffBox-Steve>  :D bascule
[01:14] <onid> StoffBox-Steve, any thoughts on my question? or u will simply redirect me to google too?
[01:14] <StoffBox-Steve> traps: ubuntu use the same as debian = apt-get | dpkg  | or for interface > synaptic  ... and the package are .dev b files
[01:15] <StoffBox-Steve> deb noch dev
[01:15] <onid> oh and apt-get does not find fglrx-driver
[01:15] <onid> :p
[01:15] <StoffBox-Steve> onid the question was ? oversee it :D
[01:15] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe update the souces list onid
[01:16] <onid> let's tryt that...
[01:16] <StoffBox-Steve> mine apt-cache sreach fglrx-driver found to package onid
[01:16] <StoffBox-Steve> search
[01:18] <erik> Hi @all ..  Does anybody know how I sort my menu items, Open Locations in nautilus "applications:///"  show's me an error
[01:21] <onid> StoffBox-Steve, when u said to update the sources list u meant to get the sources for the kernel i'm running on my system?
[01:22] <onid> or to update the sites where packages are available from in synaptic?
[01:24] <StoffBox-Steve> 2nd onid
[01:24] <onid> :)
[01:25] <photoguy151> can someone tell me how to view my windows harddrive?
[01:25] <photoguy151> i know i have to mount it
[01:25] <eikke> is it possible to have an xscreensaver *with* password box?
[01:25] <photoguy151> but im not sure where it is
[01:25] <traps> My friend doesn't seem to have the correct repositories, he doesn`t see fglrx in apt-shell; search fglrx
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> my look like this onid :
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted multiverse
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted  multiver
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted multivers
[01:26] <erik> photoguy151: Just do to where you have mounted it e.g /mnt/windows
[01:27] <StoffBox-Steve> apt-cache search fglrx  dosent find anythink traps?
[01:27] <photoguy151> so mnt dev/hda1 /mnt/windows?
[01:27] <onid> yeah, i checked the remaining lists in synapti and it now finds the binary drivers for ATI
[01:28] <StoffBox-Steve> no photoguy151 you have to enter the filesystem too --- look like its when the WinParti is FAT32 > mount -t fat32 /dev/hda1 /mnt/mountpoint
[01:28] <onid> will the fglrx module be uploaded automaticaly if i change the Driver in XF86config-4 nad if not where is the rc file for the module to aytomaticaly load at boot?
[01:29] <traps> StoffBox-Steve, he probably doesn`t have the correct repositories
[01:29] <traps> i m gonna make him add the ones you posted
[01:29] <photoguy151> it just gives me /mnt/windows does not exist
[01:29] <traps> if he doesn`t have them allready
[01:30] <StoffBox-Steve> as i know, when you added a new driver and restart X  ( ctrl + alt + backspace ) that the new modul will start auto :D onid
[01:30] <onid> checking it right now :)
[01:30] <StoffBox-Steve> but, my know of linux is not the best .. < using linux since 2 weeks :D
[01:31] <onid> what have u been using before that Steve?
[01:32] <erik> photoguy151: create the directory
[01:32] <StoffBox-Steve> yeah photoguy151 you must make them by yourself >
[01:32] <StoffBox-Steve> # cd /mnt/
[01:32] <StoffBox-Steve> #sudo mkdir mountpoint
[01:33] <StoffBox-Steve> Windows XP onid, and that was not a normal windows .... 100% optimize for my use .... take me 2 / 3 days to make it
[01:34] <StoffBox-Steve> and linux my path look like this > knoppix ( as a backup restore system ) , debian , Gentoo , ubuntu  @ onid
[01:35] <onid> interesting
[01:35] <photoguy151> why does it keep telling me i dont have permission to view the folder
[01:35] <photoguy151> ?
[01:35] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, what folder is that ?
[01:35] <photoguy151> /mnt/windows
[01:36] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, let me get you a link
[01:36] <photoguy151> ok
[01:36] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, your trying to access a ntfs drive ?
[01:36] <photoguy151> yeah
[01:36] <photoguy151> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[01:36] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, www.ubuntuguide.org     scroll down to the windows section
[01:38] <StoffBox-Steve> :D onid was easy or ?
[01:39] <onid> yeah it was but there seems to be a confusion to the newbie into which package is needed. i'll explain myself
[01:39] <onid> in the restricted package there is the fglrx module
[01:39] <onid> which comes by default with the warty cd
[01:40] <onid> if one changes the Driver section in XF86config-4 it doesnt work
[01:40] <onid> if one even seraches on the wiki puting a string fglrx it comes with not so usefull results in practical terms
[01:40] <StoffBox-Steve> yeah many thinks look confus for a newbie, a know i am a newbie :) onid
[01:41] <onid> well, StoffBox-Steve i know what i'm doing more or less in linux but i cannot be asked to know the quircks of every distro
[01:41] <onid> :)
[01:41] <ogra> onid: did nobody point you there ? :https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:41] <onid> i'm just saying that there is space for improvement there
[01:42] <onid> ogra, that is ok, but warty hs disabled by default the remaining site for the package list
[01:42] <photoguy151> why is it always saying i dont have permission to access the folder?
[01:42] <onid> so the only resources one has are the one in the cd
[01:42] <onid> anyways i got to go to uni now
[01:43] <ogra> onid: ah, you mean the restricted repository
[01:43] <onid> thanks again for ur time guys :)
[01:43] <ogra> onid, i think that is changed for hoary already
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> HOW DO I change the color of the items on the panels.. like "placxes" "system" etc
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> sorry for d caps
[01:43] <StoffBox-Steve> try sudo -s chmod 777 mnt/windwos photoguy151 give access to eveyone, not the best but may be working for now @ photoguy151
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> StoffBox-Steve: better to mount it with the "umask=000" option
[01:44] <photoguy151> i just did sudo chown -R mike /
[01:45] <StoffBox-Steve> right da_bon_bon umask is a better way :)
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> and chown is slow, and not permanent if u use udev, StoffBox-Steve
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> HOW DO I change the color of the items on the panels.. like "placxes" "system" etc
[01:46] <karim> hi
[01:47] <ogra> photoguy151: use the umask option, chmod is not intended for that and you would have to execute it on every mount again....
[01:47] <karim> I have a sound problem. The sound is stuttering with crackeling in the sounds, when I try to play a video on a a video player. vlc or xine or mplayer, or totem
[01:47] <StoffBox-Steve> not really know alot about File rights da_bon_bon, its a think am starting to learn in the next weeks
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> StoffBox-Steve: ok.
[01:49] <photoguy151> what does /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0 mean?
[01:49] <StoffBox-Steve> im just starting with linux 2 weeks ago :) so there is many to learn for me da_bon_bon
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: STICKY-OWNER-GROUP-ALL
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> StoffBox-Steve: right.
[01:50] <photoguy151> da_bon_bon: where would i type that?
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: no, XXXX means STICKY-OWNER-GROUP-ALL permissions format
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: what are you trying to do ?
[01:51] <Xappe> hmm, is the .4 kernel freezing problem solved with the new update? (hoary of course)
[01:52] <ubuntudave> hi guys - how can i get the latest kernel source? i have 2.6.10-4-386 kernel running but not the source apparently - apt-get doesn't list the latest
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> Xappe: i want just gonna ask the same question
[01:52] <ubuntudave> Xappe, the forums say it is
[01:52] <Xappe> ok
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: apt-get install linux-tree-4-686
[01:52] <photoguy151> im trying to unmount a drive, but anytime i use sudo command it gives me /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.10-4-686
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: do this - type "visudo" - then type ":q" and press enter.. then try again
[01:53] <ogra> photoguy151: looks like you heavily f*cked up your system and owner rights
[01:53] <ubuntudave> da_bon_bon, that doesn't work
[01:54] <photoguy151> nope
[01:54] <photoguy151> it doesnt
[01:54] <ogra> photoguy151: the message means, that the /etc/sudoers file seems not to belong to root anymore....
[01:54] <photoguy151> hmmm
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: apt-cache search linux-tree and install the version which suits you
[01:54] <karim> I have a sound problem. The sound is stuttering with crackeling in the sounds, when I try to play a video on a a video player. vlc or xine or mplayer, or totem
[01:54] <ogra> photoguy151: did you do some chown command to change any rights of system files like /etc/sudoers ?
[01:54] <karim> it's on a powermac G3
[01:55] <photoguy151> ummm, possibly
[01:55] <ubuntudave> needs to be latest to compile ndiswrapper with - but can't get it anywhere apparently
[01:55] <photoguy151> "chown -R mike /"
[01:55] <ogra> photoguy151: ARGH
[01:55] <photoguy151> dont like the sound of that!
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: are you mad !!
[01:55] <ogra> photoguy151: you should reinstall.....this is more insecure then using Windows now
[01:55] <photoguy151> no, just dumb =(
[01:56] <woodywarty> Hi to all
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: dont worry.. just write the /var/cache/apt directory to a cd and re install
[01:56] <nakeee> when is next stable release?
[01:56] <photoguy151> yeah
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: where, on the forums, does it say that the kernel was fixed ?
[01:57] <ogra> nakeee: april
[01:57] <photoguy151> last time i listen to a website on how to mount ntfs
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> nakeee: april
[01:57] <photoguy151> =(
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: /always/ ask on irc / forums first
[01:57] <nakeee> hmm
[01:57] <photoguy151> im figuring this out =)
[01:57] <photoguy151> trail and error
[01:57] <nakeee> thanks:)
[01:57] <ubuntudave> da_bon_bon, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681
[01:58] <photoguy151> its all good, i just installed this fresh anyway
[02:00] <ubernoob> I'm trying to get sound from more than one source at the same time... annyone knows about a goot HOWTO?
[02:02] <dtygel> hi friends. I have a small doubt regarding permissions...
[02:03] <ubernoob> dtygel: whats your doubt?
[02:03] <dtygel> I want to automatically mount a disk (/dev/hda4) on boot, which is 777 for all users in the group "fbes". Well, so I put the following line in fstab: "/dev/hda4       /frutos         vfat    iocharset=utf8,auto,uid=dtygel,gid=fbes,users,rw 0       0".
[02:04] <dtygel> But when I log in as user fbes, I cannot access the disk. It says it's 744 (read-only for the group!).
[02:04] <dtygel> I see only the gnome's "footprints"
[02:04] <dtygel> in nautilus.
[02:05] <ubernoob> hold on... ill find the man
[02:06] <ubernoob> btw.. i found a howto fo fix the sound
[02:06] <StoffBox-Steve> ... this tooth is killing me :(
[02:06] <dtygel> i've been there ("man mount") but couldn't find the answer... Maybe I saw it wrong :)
[02:07] <dtygel> stoffbox: maybe should go to a dentist?? :)
[02:09] <StoffBox-Steve> where a good may, but i hate medics :S dtygel .
[02:09] <StoffBox-Steve> may - way
[02:09] <ubernoob> dtygel: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[02:09] <ubernoob> the answer might be there :) i need it myself, so ill try to help you uot
[02:09] <dtygel> stoff, me too... but sometimes... we just need them.
[02:10] <dtygel> ubernoob, I'll read it too. If some of us get the answer, we share it here :)
[02:11] <KING^^^> hello all, i have a problem , my music plays too fast , can anyone help me ?
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> ma frnd did a reall foolish thing - on a multisession disc, he "deleted" the files already present and then wrote new ones - about 4mb - from nero (fucking windows).. so, now he wants to recover the previous 200 mb* the data still is there just wiped from TOC, right ? what do i do ? i have that cd
[02:11] <StoffBox-Steve> sometimes, means i going do die, otherwise no there are BAD dtygel
[02:12] <dtygel> kkk
[02:12] <ubernoob> dtygel: ahh
[02:13] <KING^^^> hello all, i have a problem , my music plays too fast , can anyone help me ?
[02:13] <ubernoob> dtygel: you need to set the umask
[02:13] <dtygel> set it to what, ubernoob?
[02:13] <ubernoob> dtygel: if you want permission 777, set umask=000
[02:13] <SiRrUs> KING^^^ still ?
[02:14] <dtygel> isn't it only for ext3 partitions?
[02:14] <dtygel> Mine is vfat.
[02:14] <KING^^^> yes SiRrUs
[02:14] <ubernoob>  /dev/hda4 /frutos vfat iocharset=utf8,auto,uid=dtygel,gid=fbes,users,rw,umask=000 0 0"
[02:14] <dtygel> I'll try it. Hold on a minute or two...
[02:18] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, is very still in here
[02:18] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: i know
[02:19] <StoffBox-Steve> ghostchannel *
[02:20] <SiRrUs> KING^^^  have you checked on google??
[02:20] <KING^^^> yep
[02:20] <SiRrUs> all kinds of answers there
[02:21] <StoffBox-Steve> hardware accelerate on KING^^^?  dont ask me where to find this option :)
[02:21] <KING^^^> yes ... sorry now i have to go , talk to you later
[02:21] <StoffBox-Steve> turn it off, when is on .... KING^^^
[02:21] <KING^^^> hope i will find an answer when i'll come back
[02:22] <KING^^^> StoffBox-Steve: ? what do you want ?
[02:22] <wezzer> does anyone have ess maestro 2 1978 sound chip on laptop here?
[02:23] <StoffBox-Steve> turn off hardware accelerate, when its on
[02:23] <KING^^^> i don't know what are you talking about , see ya later
[02:23] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:24] <SiRrUs> StoffBox-Steve you may need to make a house call
[02:25] <StoffBox-Steve>  :) SiRrUs
[02:26] <SiRrUs> well lets see if the new kernel updates work
[02:26] <SiRrUs> brb
[02:28] <ubernoob> wezzer: no, but whats your problem?
[02:28] <wezzer> alsa won't find it
[02:28] <wezzer> "no sound card detected"
[02:29] <wezzer> actually it's my friends laptop, so I don't have it here now to investigate more
[02:29] <SiRrUs> nice seems to work great
[02:30] <ubernoob> i dont think i can help you, but you will probably find your answer here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ess+maestro+2+1978+linux+alsa&btnG=Search
[02:30] <ubernoob> dtygel: did you reboot?
[02:31] <dtygel> ubernoob: it worked allright! Thank you a lot: I put umask=007, so that "others" cannot access the folder.
[02:31] <ubernoob> dtygel: you can remount your fstab with "sudo mount -a"
[02:31] <dtygel> Yeah! :)
[02:31] <ArdieM> is hoary done ?
[02:31] <ubernoob> dtygel: good! :) thats what im going to do as well
[02:31] <wezzer> ubernoob: tried already, no match :/
[02:31] <ArdieM> or wichn one is the latest =
[02:31] <ArdieM> ?
[02:32] <parpic2002> hi
[02:32] <ubernoob> wezzer: :(
[02:32] <dtygel> ubernoob. Nice.
[02:32] <SiRrUs> ArdieM warty is stable
[02:32] <parpic2002> hoary start in kde?
[02:32] <SiRrUs> Hoary is still in test out in April
[02:32] <dtygel> now I have another question, regarding permissions again...
[02:32] <parpic2002> by default?
[02:32] <ubernoob> dtygel: :)
[02:33] <ArdieM> okay thanx
[02:33] <dtygel> If I don't login as the default user (the first user we set up), How can I access "sudo"?
[02:33] <dtygel> When I type "sudo", no matter what pssword I give: it's not accepted.
[02:33] <SiRrUs> ArdieM the testing version in the channel topic works well tho
[02:33] <parpic2002> sudo su
[02:33] <ubernoob> dtygel: the user have to be in a admin group
[02:34] <dtygel> ah, I didn't know that. Wait a minute, I'll check...
[02:34] <dtygel> but to check it, I'll have to logout from this user right now. Wait a minute again...
[02:35] <parpic2002> cineva din ROMANIA?
[02:35] <StoffBox-Steve> parpic2002: ... hmm Ubuntu is Gnome default, think there where no change so fast to that rule :D
[02:36] <parpic2002> OK
[02:36] <StoffBox-Steve> but you can geht KDE per apt-get .... for the people like KDE ... *G*
[02:37] <parpic2002> i know
[02:37] <parpic2002> just i asked for hoary
[02:37] <parpic2002> i prefer more gnome session
[02:38] <parpic2002> is easy
[02:38] <StoffBox-Steve> btw, im happy that Gnome is default ... on my Pc.. the only way to install is Net or HD install ... and the size of gnome ot smaller :) .. ok i have a 2MB line so the waiting time will be not really more ... *GG*
[02:39] <ubernoob> dtygel: btw you might want to check your umask. type "umask" to see default permission of new files. Then set "umask 077" if you don't want others to access your new files. Or "umask 007" if you want your group to have access.
[02:39] <dtygel> ubernoob, It didn't work. "fbes" is in the adm group, but cannot sudo
[02:39] <ubernoob> hmm... hold on
[02:40] <dtygel> ubernoob: I've put "007": users and group can access. :)
[02:40] <dtygel> When I try to sudo it says the following: "fbes is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[02:40] <dtygel> So I think we must find a "sudoers file"...
[02:40] <StoffBox-Steve> ubernoob: can i hide folders -- so lan users can't see them .. but there can access them when there now the path ?
[02:41] <ubernoob> dtygel: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#allowmoresudoers
[02:41] <dtygel> it's /etc/sudoers :)
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> dtygel: have the same yesterday ... try
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo -s
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo visudo
[02:42] <jdub> jdubtv! -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8800/
[02:42] <evarlast> dtygel: you have to logout and back in for group changes to take effect.
[02:42] <ubernoob> dtygel: actually... you should check you the whole section: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#usersadministration
[02:42] <seb128> jdub: oh, gaim 1.1.4 just uploaded in debian, I'll take this one :)
[02:42] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: not that i know of.
[02:42] <StoffBox-Steve> the whole quide is really good ubernoob :)
[02:42] <dtygel> stoffbox and ubernoob. I'll logout and login again to try your suggestions. Hold on, again!
[02:43] <jdub> seb128: heh, rad :)
[02:43] <ubernoob> hehe... i wonder how many times dtygel has left this channel :P
[02:44] <Zindar> jdub: say something then.... :)
[02:44] <Zindar> jdubtv... wee :)
[02:44] <Zindar> HAHAHA
[02:44] <Zindar> yeah.. not much sync there
[02:45] <StoffBox-Steve> have a link for the changelog file of gaim seb128 ? ...
[02:45] <seb128> StoffBox-Steve: no, why ?
[02:45] <seb128> StoffBox-Steve: upstream changelog or debian one ?
[02:46] <Zindar> totem disliked jdubtv so hard that it died when closing it
[02:47] <dtygel> steve and ubernoob. It worked allright... but I suddenly gave up of this idea. Too dangerous to let the group access "sudo" functions.
[02:47] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: lots of security fix
[02:47] <StoffBox-Steve> ok, just found it seb128 :)
[02:47] <seb128> StoffBox-Steve: upstream or debian .
[02:47] <seb128> ?
[02:47] <StoffBox-Steve> use 1.0 here
[02:47] <seb128> oh, j
[02:47] <seb128> k
[02:47] <ubernoob> dtygel: yes. then you'll give em root access, and that might not be a good idea
[02:47] <StoffBox-Steve> Gaim changelog form sourceforge  seb128
[02:48] <dtygel> ubernoob: mainly because we are in a local net and internet ! Too dangerous...
[02:48] <dtygel> the password for the group may be widespread...
[02:48] <vincent> StoffBox-Steve: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ChangeLog
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> jup vincent just found it :)
[02:49] <dtygel> Ok, I must logout now. Thank you very very much ubernoob and stoffbox-steve! =]
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i think i need to update Gaim :)
[02:50] <evarlast> someone should have told him that sudo lets you do more than that.
[02:50] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: that might be a good idea :)
[02:50] <ubernoob> evarlast: too late..
[02:51] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm apt-cache only give me the 1.0.0 uhuntu .... ok,  sourceforge page of Gaim have .deb ?
[02:51] <ArdieM> how can i play .mpgs ?
[02:51] <StoffBox-Steve> on with player ArdieM?
[02:52] <wezzer> mplayer
[02:52] <StoffBox-Steve> W32codecs allways be a good choice
[02:52] <ubernoob> time to go! bye all!
[02:52] <StoffBox-Steve> by ubernoob have a nice day
[02:53] <ArdieM> W32codecs
[02:53] <SiRrUs> ArdieM check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:53] <StoffBox-Steve> take a look for W32codecs ArdieM, you find them on the mplayer homepage or as package
[02:54] <StoffBox-Steve> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php << *hm there are only rpm package no .deb :S
[02:57] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm have someone a link to a gaim .deb package ?
[03:03] <SiRrUs> quiet in here
[03:04] <StoffBox-Steve> GhostChannel SiRrUs
[03:04] <ArdieM> hmmm. i tryed to install realplayer, it succeded. but i cant start it ...
[03:04] <ArdieM> could you tell me where to get the amd64 version of realplayer ?
[03:05] <SiRrUs> I see that :)
[03:05] <SiRrUs> ArdieM is there such a thing
[03:05] <StoffBox-Steve> google > ubuntu realplayer AMD64 < try it ArdieM
[03:06] <SiRrUs> ArdieM and the word is thankyou ;)
[03:08] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i cat update gaim :S
[03:08] <StoffBox-Steve> cant
[03:09] <SiRrUs> how come
[03:09] <markuman> i want install diablo2. in the installation i have to insert the playdisk. so i have to umount die install disk. but that doesn't work ->umount /media/cdrom
[03:09] <markuman> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:09] <markuman> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:09] <markuman>
[03:09] <ArdieM> hmmm ... thank you !!
[03:09] <ArdieM> :)
[03:09] <SiRrUs> your welcome
[03:10] <StoffBox-Steve> close all open nautilus windows ... and try again markuman
[03:11] <markuman> StoofBox-Steve, there are no open nautilus windows
[03:11] <rsd> is array-5 just updated software or is it beta ubuntu software too?
[03:11] <markuman> StoffBox-Steve, not stoofBox sry
[03:11] <StoffBox-Steve> somethink i still access  the device ... hmm maybe the installer ?
[03:12] <StoffBox-Steve> NP markuman
[03:12] <markuman> i think too...
[03:12] <markuman> but how to install without the installer ???
[03:12] <markuman> lol
[03:12] <StoffBox-Steve> .. hmm thats really lol
[03:13] <StoffBox-Steve> try umount -r markuman
[03:14] <markuman> umount -r /media/cdrom
[03:14] <markuman> umount: /dev/hdc busy - remounted read-only
[03:14] <markuman> don't work
[03:14] <StoffBox-Steve> so and now try umount
[03:15] <markuman> no, the same error
[03:15] <StoffBox-Steve>  :S
[03:16] <StoffBox-Steve> ok try umount -f markuman
[03:17] <markuman> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:17] <markuman> don't work :-/
[03:18] <markuman> that sucks
[03:18] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm umount -f = normaly Force to umount the device :S
[03:18] <seb128> killall nautilus and try again ?
[03:19] <StoffBox-Steve> be back
[03:20] <markuman> seb128, i have done it before, but don't work
[03:21] <seb128> you probably have something running using it
[03:21] <seb128> ps ax and try to figure what
[03:21] <seb128> of use fuser
[03:21] <markuman> yes, seb128. the installer
[03:21] <seb128> kill it ?
[03:21] <markuman> and how to install diablo2 without the installer?
[03:21] <markuman> with umount -l it works
[03:21] <markuman> but how to eject....
[03:22] <seb128> I don't get the issue
[03:22] <seb128> you need the CD or not ?
[03:23] <markuman> the installdisk (is no in my drive) at the moment not. the installer want now the playdisk. later he want the installdisk again
[03:23] <seb128> the installer should eject it so
[03:23] <StoffBox-Steve> btw markuman .. is diablo2 a linux game ? or use a emu ?
[03:23] <markuman> it use wine
[03:23] <markuman> but i have it now
[03:23] <markuman> it works
[03:24] <markuman> first umount -l /media/cdrom
[03:24] <StoffBox-Steve> oki, markuman
[03:24] <markuman> than eject /media/cdrom
[03:25] <Erni> hi, i have a problem: I always try to mount cdrom but i always get this message of error: mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist. Can someone help pliz???
[03:25] <markuman> hdd? you want to mount a harddiskdrive?
[03:26] <Erni> no, but in /etc/fstab i have cdrom in /dev/hdd
[03:26] <Erni> but hdd doesn't exist as the error says
[03:27] <Erni> I have a dvd reader and a dvd recorder
[03:27] <erik> an apt-get update at the moment gives me an
[03:27] <erik> zip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[03:27] <Erni> when I was installing ubuntu i had problems because ubuntu couldn't read the ubuntu cd
[03:28] <erik> Fehl http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[03:28] <erik> Anybody the same problem ?
[03:29] <Erni> how can I see which device is my cdrom in /dev?
[03:29] <Goshawk> using hoary i've problem burning dvd
[03:29] <Goshawk> i've a iso file on my directory... whne i say to nautilus to write it to a disk
[03:30] <Goshawk> the dialog box appairs but it says to reload a blank disk (the disk is blank)
[03:30] <umarmung> Erni, ls -l /dev/cdrom and look to what device it links
[03:31] <Erni> I mean to what device links /media/cdrom
[03:31] <Erni> because now it links to /dev/hdd
[03:32] <Erni> but hdd doesn't exist
[03:32] <SiRrUs> Goshawk does graveman work?
[03:32] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, someone can say me a nice instant messeger ? whats your fav ?
[03:32] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, i prefer gnomebaker.. but i have problem with mp3s
[03:32] <SiRrUs> Goshawk does graveman work?
[03:33] <Xappe> StoffBox-Steve, i prefer licq for icq and gaim for msn
[03:34] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i using Gaim for Yahoo | ICQ  | IRC | MSN ....  its fine but i want to look to other programms too
[03:34] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, i deleted that package
[03:34] <Goshawk> using gnomebaker to create burn the image i've also problems
[03:34] <Erni> someone had problems installing ubuntu because the installation program couldn't read the cd?? and it asked for the device drivers?????
[03:34] <Xappe> i don't like the gaim ui at all
[03:35] <lupusBE> whois going to fosdem? :)
[03:35] <Xappe> and the away message handling is awful in gaim
[03:35] <StoffBox-Steve> one Erni but i have a mounted Floppydisk and only install linux using NETINSTALL
[03:36] <Chipzz> lupusBE: I am
[03:36] <SiRrUs> Goshawk hmm cool then
[03:36] <Erni> and now you can read from your cd/dvd rom?
[03:36] <suifur> ayttm isn't too bad for IMing
[03:36] <StoffBox-Steve> its not the best Xappe, thats right.... i take a look at http://www.jabber.org/software/clients.shtml but dont what do install all of them
[03:36] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, yep... it seems an erro of cdrecord...
[03:37] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, gonna see it...
[03:37] <Warz> Hello; I'm interested in setting up Unbutu on my computer, but before I download it I'd like to know if it includes linmodem drivers or not ?
[03:37] <StoffBox-Steve> sure Erni dont having Problem,
[03:37] <StoffBox-Steve> but its a old CDrom
[03:37] <Erni> mmm
[03:37] <Erni> the system doesn't recognize my dvdrom and my recorder
[03:37] <Erni> :(
[03:38] <Xappe> it's a pity that licq doesn't have a good gtk gui...
[03:38] <SiRrUs> i will have to remember not to use baker
[03:38] <StoffBox-Steve> btw linux like my hardware :)  only the 3com940 card was a problem at start
[03:39] <Erni> how can i know what the cdrom links to in /dev?
[03:39] <shock> /dev/hdc
[03:39] <shock> ?
[03:40] <erik__> Can someone help me, why in the console nautilus applications:/// gives me an "applications:/// is no valid place" ?
[03:40] <shock> ls -l /dev/cdrom
[03:40] <shock> ;)
[03:40] <StoffBox-Steve> have you googel ? maybe like this > uhuntu mydvd problem
[03:40] <Erni> now i have my cdrom in /dev/hdd and my recorder in /dev/hdc but both units don't exist!!!
[03:40] <Erni> that is my problem
[03:41] <Erni> in fstab i have my cdrom and my recorder in /dev/hdd and /dev/hdc but these units don't exist in /dev
[03:42] <shock> u have no /dev/hdc O_o
[03:42] <shock> ?
[03:42] <Erni> it's a problem that i am the only person with this problem!! :((
[03:42] <Erni> no
[03:42] <Erni> i haven't any hdd and any hdc
[03:43] <Erni> when i try to mount cdrom i have an error mess: mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist
[03:43] <shock> do 'dmesg |grep hdc'
[03:44] <shock> and 'dmesg |grep hdd'
[03:44] <shock> and u might get some more info
[03:44] <Erni> the is no answer at all
[03:45] <Erni> in the kernel messages there is nothing about hdd and hdc
[03:45] <shock> how about 'dmesg |grep CD'
[03:45] <shock> ?
[03:46] <Erni> nothing
[03:46] <dud> isnt there a vmware or something similar for amd64?
[03:46] <dud> :(
[03:46] <Erni> this' a shit
[03:46] <Erni> :(
[03:47] <Erni> how can see waht links my cdrom to?
 - so your computer finds no cdrom or anything during boot o_O
[03:47] <Erni> in /dev
[03:47] <shock> ls -l
[03:47] <shock> ls -l /dev/cdrom
[03:47] <shock> i.e.
[03:47] <Erni> no
[03:48] <Erni> I had to write some instructions in console
[03:48] <Erni> to be able of install
[03:48] <StoffBox-Steve> Xappe: what do you think about Kopete, looks nice but is KDE
[03:48] <sigglet> is Array-5 testing or Stable ?
[03:48] <shock> hm... dunno - sorry
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Can you filter the irc channel messages by user in xchat ?
[03:50] <SiRrUs> sigglet stable release of hoary will be out in April  Array 5 is testing  but works good for me
[03:51] <sigglet> SiRrUs: so the next stable version will be named Hoary? that doesn't make sense to me since hoary is testing now......
[03:51] <jdub> sigglet: we're testing hoary for release.
[03:51] <jdub> that doesn't make sense?
[03:51] <SiRrUs> sigglet sorry it doesnt make sense to you
[03:52] <sigglet> so how can I tell a stable version of ubuntu? by the numbers being even?
[03:52] <SiRrUs> sigglet It will probably say Ubuntu version 5.04 or something like that
[03:53] <suifur> or just download the version listed as stable on the site....? lol
[03:53] <SiRrUs> :)
[03:53] <LinuxJones> sigglet, cat /etc/issue
[03:54] <sigglet> I know what I'm running now I was just curious how ubuntu has set their stable releases
[03:54] <suifur> sigglet, what do you mean 'set' ?
[03:54] <sigglet> I'm still just using 4.10 warty warthog until the next stable release.
[03:54] <sigglet> suifur: like by numbers
[03:55] <sigglet> 4.10 = stable
[03:55] <suifur> indeed
[03:55] <SiRrUs> Oct 2004
[03:55] <SiRrUs> 5.04 I believe is April 2005
[03:55] <suifur> 5.04 > april 2005
[03:56] <evarlast> %Y.%M
[04:06] <OmniColos> wpa_supplicant does not seem to support this card
[04:06] <spliter> hi, guys. I have a question on ubuntu+windows. I know there is a load og information on this, but nothig helped me
[04:07] <thenuke> huh, /dev/input/ has only event0 and event1 files in it.. where is my mouse :O
[04:07] <thenuke> any ideas?
[04:07] <spliter> is there any ubuntu+win guru? ;)
[04:07] <Xappe> spliter, what's your problem
[04:07] <njan> spliter, just ask your question
[04:10] <spliter> ok, I have one HD and 4 parts. I had Win98, WinXP Fedora and one swap partition
[04:10] <spliter> I decided to instal ubuntu on fedora's partition
[04:10] <spliter> so during installatuion told to format that partition yo ext3
[04:11] <spliter> no I can't get to Windows partitions
[04:11] <spliter> I read on forum, but nothing helped
[04:15] <spliter> I think that the problem is that win98 is broken - even GRUB didn't recognize it, so it shows me winxp on boot with the reference to win98's partition
[04:15] <LinuxJones> spliter, that windows 98 partition is it using fat32 ?
[04:15] <spliter> both win partitions use fat32
[04:16] <spliter> when I had fedora GRUB showed on load, I chose WindowsXP. And then it showed me the choise to load 98 or xp
[04:17] <spliter> it is in my boot.ini on hda1 (win98
[04:18] <LinuxJones> spliter, I don't have any windows partitions but if you paste the output of /boot/grub/menu.list file to pastebin.ca I am sure someone can help. I have to go right now otherwise I would help.
[04:18] <spliter> any ideas?
[04:18] <LinuxJones> spliter, GL
[04:18] <spliter> thanx LinuxJones
[04:20] <elcuco> hi, is is possoble to remove gnome from unbuntu?
[04:20] <elcuco> since I am a kde user, i dont really need it
[04:22] <tweek888> hello
[04:22] <tweek888> how do i convert a .rpm to a .deb?
[04:22] <elcuco> alien
[04:22] <tweek888> that is?
[04:23] <elcuco> yes
[04:23] <tweek888> no, what is it?
[04:23] <elcuco> you can just "rpm -Uhv --nodeps" it, if you have insatlled rpm (apt-get instal rpm)
[04:23] <elcuco> alien is a script which converts rpms into debs, and the other way
[04:23] <tweek888> ok
[04:23] <tweek888> is it included?
[04:24] <elcuco> on debian it is :)
[04:24] <tweek888> ok i found it
[04:24] <tweek888> thanks
[04:24] <findeton> hi
[04:25] <flosch> hi
[04:26] <findeton> i don't know why it happens, but eclipse get hung
[04:26] <Coily> how do i find the install folder of a recently installed app (ive got the name of the bashcommand)
[04:26] <findeton> i've got Sun JRE/JDK 1.5
[04:26] <findeton> i'm able to run eclipse
[04:27] <Coily> anyone?
[04:27] <findeton> but whatever i do, in less than a minute, i tgets hung
[04:27] <elcuco> Coily, first time in linux?
[04:27] <Coily> howd you guess =[
[04:27] <elcuco> Coily, applications do not have a single installed dir
[04:28] <Coily> elaborate please
[04:28] <elcuco> they are installed in different parts...
[04:28] <zeedo> Coily: in linux the programs dont install the same way
[04:28] <zeedo> they put their files in a few different places
[04:28] <Coily> so lets say im looking for the config file
[04:28] <zeedo> yeh what elcuco said :
[04:28] <zeedo> that will be in your home directory or in /etc/
[04:28] <smick> Hi everyone
[04:28] <elcuco> the main app is in /usr/bin, the libraries in /usr/lib, config in /etc, other data in /usr/share/{appname}
[04:29] <Coily> thanks
[04:29] <zeedo> Coily: system wide configs go in /etc/ personal config usually go in your home dir in a folder starting with a ., usually .programname
[04:29] <elcuco> Coily, just type the app name in the "ctrl+f2" window and you are done
[04:29] <Coily> yessir
[04:29] <smick> I'm wondering why my liveCD has a user name and password, and I can't find what it might be.  really strange.
[04:30] <Xappe> smick, have you tried ubuntu:ubuntu?
[04:30] <elcuco> is is possoble to remove gnome from unbuntu? or install it without gnome support to begin with?
[04:30] <awb4422> why would you want to do that?
[04:31] <smick> yes, is that the common one?
[04:31] <awb4422> you know ubuntu prides itself on shipping with gnome.. right?
[04:31] <awb4422> i know this doesn't really answer your question
[04:31] <elcuco> awb4422, i know... but i am not a gnome person :)
[04:31] <Xappe> smick, hmm...I think so, but i'm not really sure cause i've only used a ubuntu live cd once
[04:32] <awb4422> just install kde
[04:32] <elcuco> i started liking the way that the distro is built, the ziliion small things i miss in debian... and i had in mandrake
[04:32] <smick> ok.  well I'll try it again sometime soon. thanks xappe
[04:32] <elcuco> well, i heard that the integration between the distro and kde is not "perfect" yes...
[04:33] <elcuco> do i have an #ubuntu-kde channel or should i ask here?
[04:33] <awb4422> ive heard the same, but i can't be sure, ive never used kde in ubuntu
[04:34] <apokryphos> elcuco: #kubuntu
[04:35] <jgl> hallo, if i have got a disk about 60 GB, how many partitions is optimal for swap?
[04:36] <smick> anyone know if there are any linux distros with scribus and rosegarden already installed together?
[04:36] <apokryphos> jgl: SWAP should depend on your RAM. You should have double swap compared to ram
[04:36] <jgl> i have got 512 MB ram
[04:37] <SiRrUs> smick you know you can both from synaptic?
[04:37] <jgl> i is better more than 1GB?
[04:37] <smick> I dont' know about synaptic. do you have a link?
[04:37] <SiRrUs> are you running ubuntu?
[04:38] <apokryphos> jgl: Yeah, go for a Gig
[04:38] <smckay> Im confused about the linux-image versions reported in synaptic.  The package says linux-image-2.6.10-4-k7 but the installed version says 2.6.10-23.  uname -a gives 2.6.10-4-k7.
[04:38] <jgl> ok thanks , where are you from?
[04:38] <jgl> do you know guadalinex?
[04:39] <smick> I'm not running ubuntu because my live CD wouldn't work. Basically. I've got an old computer, that has redhat. I am deciding whether to replace with ubuntu. and I'm learning more about it. But I have a few apps I want to use.
[04:39] <smckay> Same for package linux-image-k7, it shows installed version of 2.6.10-5 but only 2.6.10-4 is installed
[04:39] <apokryphos> jgl: Live in London. Nope, don't know.
[04:39] <SiRrUs> smick you should probably google for your link
[04:39] <jgl> london , yes
[04:39] <hawke> smick: The liveCD isn't really a good indicator of whether the real thing will work
[04:40] <jgl> i'm from cadiz spain
[04:40] <jgl> do you have installed ubuntu in your pc?
[04:40] <findeton> jgl
[04:40] <findeton> i'm from there too
[04:40] <findeton> though now i'm in Sevilla
[04:41] <findeton> ;)
[04:41] <jgl> ;)
[04:41] <apokryphos> jgl: Sure do. :)
[04:41] <jgl> i'm going to install ubuntu in my laptop
[04:42] <apokryphos> Good decision, imp.
[04:42] <apokryphos> *imo
[04:42] <smick> hawke: good point, I just assumed it would work.  I'm new at linux, so I've only used redhat for a time.
[04:42] <jgl> do you know any url about support drivers for laptops?
[04:42] <smick> I should probably install on redhat, and go from there.
[04:43] <apokryphos> jgl: Don't know any laptop stuff :D. You could ask some of the others here, I guess.
[04:43] <mips> anyone here with experience of 64bit AMD version & NV nForce MB ?
[04:43] <jgl> i have a barebook aopen 1556J centrino 1,6
[04:45] <smick> thx everyone.
[04:45] <jgl> it is a laptop with 1,6 Ghz centrino barebook aopen
[04:46] <r0bnyc> After I install hoary do I have to edit my sources for multiverse or something?
[04:46] <upnorthdog> hello does anyone know of a mandrake channel?
[04:46] <upnorthdog> i can't find one
[04:46] <r0bnyc> upnorthdog, #mandrake, #mdk-cooker
[04:46] <apokryphos> upnorthdog: erm, #mandrake?
[04:46] <Coily> im currently using "fetchyahoo" to have my email sent to a spoolfolder, im wondering if theres a more convenient way to read my emails from fetchyahoo (im assuming thnderbird would be an example)
[04:46] <upnorthdog> ok
[04:46] <jgl> anyone know if is better two partitions for swap?
[04:47] <r0bnyc> jgl, no
[04:47] <upnorthdog> im trying to get a linksys wmp11 wireless nic going
[04:47] <r0bnyc> jgl, 1 is enough
[04:47] <Get> How do I get the gtk-demo to my ubuntu?
[04:47] <apokryphos> jgl: Two partitions for swap? Nope.
[04:47] <nubuntu> hi
[04:47] <jgl> why?
[04:48] <StephenB> hmm can someone tell me why, when i use a KDE tool like sim (instant messenger) .. the lang is not set to gobale settings, and the font is so BIG ?
[04:48] <nubuntu> I am having a problem loading ubuntu, it keeps telling me that my cd rom is not recognized after boot
[04:48] <jgl> why two partitions?
[04:48] <apokryphos> jgl: You shouldn't have two partitions.
[04:48] <Coily> no advice on making viewing mailspools easier?
[04:48] <nubuntu> I have tried 3 different cd roms
[04:49] <jgl> for example two partitions about 1024MB?
[04:49] <apokryphos> jgl: No, you shouldn't have two partitions... only one is necessary. If you've got 512 RAM, 1 Gigabyte of SWAP should cover it.
[04:50] <nubuntu> It picks up the cdrom in the bios and boots...but when ubuntu tries to boot from it it tells me that it is an unrecognized cdrom...I have never had this problem with other machines
[04:50] <apokryphos> And one isn't necessary... but it's a very good idea.
[04:50] <evarlast> or don't even make a swap partition and install swapd :)
[04:51] <jgl> swapd ?
[04:53] <jgl> ok, thanks
[04:56] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, is that a usb cdrom ?
[04:58] <nubuntu> linuxjones, IDE ( the first I tried was an lg dvd rom, then changed to a creative 52x cdrom) the system nas sata on it, not sure if it might be problem with the modes I am using.
[04:59] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, are you using sata just for the hard drive or is the ide drive connected to the sata ide drive controler ?
[04:59] <Pointwood> what ftp server would you guys recommend?
[05:00] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, I remember someone else had problems like that before but I can't remember how it was resolved
[05:00] <nubuntu> linuxjones, sata is just for the harddrive (onboard sata) ide is connected to cdrom only...its a weird problem...preventing me from ridding myself of Windows folly
[05:01] <nubuntu> maybe I'll try an ide drive, and disable sata
[05:01] <nubuntu> for now
[05:02] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, let me have a look around to see if I can find something
[05:02] <nubuntu> Thanks very much LinuxJones much appreciated
[05:04] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, see if this helps >> http://pissedkid.com/archives/000879.php
[05:05] <nubuntu> awesome I'll try it right now, thanks much
[05:05] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, GL I hope it works
[05:05] <zenrox> morning all
[05:06] <LinuxJones> zenrox, hi
[05:06] <zenrox> gots to do the morning wake up update
[05:06] <zenrox> how you doinf linuxboy
[05:06] <zenrox> err LinuxJones
[05:07] <LinuxJones> zenrox, kind of crappy but what else is new :)
[05:08] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  the same
[05:08] <zenrox> but my linux is runing
[05:09] <Coily> i have an app which needs to be running for awhile, is there any way to have it run without using up a terminal window?
[05:10] <zenrox> Coily,  ya put a & at the end or open another terminal alt+ctrl+f2 or f3-f6
[05:10] <LinuxJones> zenrox, what more can a geek ask for :D
[05:10] <zenrox> lol
[05:10] <universal> does anyone know something about cedega?
[05:10] <Coily> thanks
[05:10] <Xappe> universal, not more than that i've installed cvscedega and had problems getting games to run :)
[05:11] <ups> Coily: or simple use the Alt-f2 and type the name there ;)
[05:11] <universal> Xappe, ok, me to, i can run games, but not optimally
[05:12] <Coily> ooh altf2 is even better
[05:12] <r0bnyc> Ubuntu HOary doesnt have MLDOnkey ?
[05:13] <universal> is someone familiar with Cedega??
[05:13] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, yeah it is in the universe reop
[05:13] <nubuntu> worked linuxjones...thanks
[05:13] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, i cant seem to find it
[05:14] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, cool, maybe you could post it to the wiki :)
[05:14] <nubuntu> I will do that
[05:14] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, did you do an apt-get update ?
[05:14] <Coily> im assuming "firebird-c64-server" is the firebird client...
[05:15] <Xappe> universal, would be nice if one could use soething like grapevine with cvscedega
[05:15] <Xappe> i don't know if it's possible though
[05:15] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, yes
[05:15] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, you didn't add the universe repository to your sources.lst file >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:16] <universal> Xappe, but what is cvscedega  i only know aboyt Cedega and the point2play...
[05:16] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, I uncomment the 2 sources there though
[05:17] <Coily> dammit i keep mixing up the name of thunderbird dammit
[05:17] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, then you have to run apt-get update then apt-cache search mldonkey
[05:17] <Xappe> universal, cvscedega is the free version only installable through cvs
[05:17] <nubuntu> ubuntu is an awesome OS...just had to vent that
[05:17] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, wait are you on warty or hoary ?
[05:17] <r0bnyc>  apt-cache search mldonkey
[05:17] <r0bnyc> gdesklets-data - displays and sensors for gdesklets
[05:17] <r0bnyc> gkrellm-mldonkey - mldonkey plugin for gkrellm2
[05:17] <r0bnyc> kmldonkey - KDE GUI for MLDonkey
[05:17] <r0bnyc> mldonkey-gui - Graphical frontend for mldonkey based on GTK
[05:17] <r0bnyc> mldonkey-server - Door to the 'donkey' network
[05:17] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, hoary
[05:18] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, there they are right there pldonkey-gui
[05:18] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, er mldonkey-gui
[05:18] <universal> Xappe, ahh ok, what is the exact problem for u?
[05:19] <r0bnyc> err
[05:19] <r0bnyc> thankslet me see
[05:19] <Xappe> universal, well, can we take it in a query?