[01:37] <anl333> the software needs to support 2-factor authentication with google authenticator. I needed to switch to gdm3 and xscreensaver to get things working. https://www.tecmint.com/enable-two-factor-authentication-in-ubuntu/
[01:38] <anl333> 2-factor authentication works great with Ubuntu but it does not work with KUbuntu
[02:37] <Elliria> Hey there. Does anyone in here use the Night Color widget?
[05:54] <ross__> hello
[05:54] <ross__> who is onlien
[05:54] <ross__> who is online
[05:54] <arraybolt3[m]> me
[05:54] <ross__> great
[05:55] <arraybolt3[m]> I might not know the answer to your question, but I'll try!
[05:55] <ross__> This channel is a professional channel
[05:55] <ross__> Ok
[05:55] <ross__> I think my kde is very laggy
[05:55] <ross__> the animation is slow
[05:55] <ross__> and laggy
[05:56] <arraybolt3[m]> What's your computer's specs?
[05:56] <ross__> no matter I install it on vms or physical machines
[05:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Laggy might be expected on an ancient Intel Celeron, but if you've got an i5 and 8 GB of RAM, then something's wrong with your config most likely.
[05:56] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, good to know.
[05:57] <ross__> 4Gram
[05:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Do YouTube videos play back smoothly on physical machines?
[05:57] <ross__> mybe the ram is too small
[05:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Nah, 4GB ought to be enough.
[05:58] <ross__> yes, video is play back smoothly
[05:58] <arraybolt3[m]> It might just be that you need to change the animation speed. I'm looking up how to do that.
[05:58] <ross__> ok
[05:58] <ross__> I am a new user for kde
[05:59] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, try opening System Settings.
[06:00] <ross__> and I am a programmer, but I think there are many many designs in kde should be improved
[06:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Bah, I'm having a hard time finding a post to tell me where the slider is, but I've got a KDE laptop next to me.
[06:00] <ross__> ok
[06:01] <ross__> let me seach it
[06:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, so open System Settings, click "Workspace Behavior", ensure that "General Behavior" is selected, then you should see an Animation Speed slider.
[06:01] <ross__> OK
[06:02] <ross__> I got it
[06:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Quick tip - while 4 GB RAM shouldn't cause problems with KDE AFAIK, it might cause problems with doing intensive tasks on your system, so you might want to consider making a bigger swapfile. I can tell you how to do that if you'd like.)
[06:02] <ross__> Ok, thanks
[06:03] <ross__> you are so friendly
[06:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, sure. Just open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, run "ls /swapfile", and tell me if you see any output.
[06:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (If your tech support can't be friendly, then what's wrong with the world?!)
[06:04] <ross__> huh,yes
[06:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, Then this command sequence should make you a nice 8 GB swapfile to supplement your RAM. Hold on just a sec...
[06:04] <ross__> Ok
[06:05] <ross__> ls /swapfile: out put just a file
[06:05] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, do this:
[06:05] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo rm /swapfile
[06:05] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo fallocate -l<PHONE_NUMBER> /swapfile
[06:06] <arraybolt3[m]> (That's the end of the commands.)
[06:06] <ross__> ok
[06:06] <arraybolt3[m]> (Yeah, ls /swapfile just says if there's already a swapfile on your system. If there wasn't one, there would be a bit of an ordeal adding it into the system, but since there is one, you can just delete the old one, make a new, big one, and be done!)
[06:06] <ross__> ok, I have finished this operation
[06:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. Oh, did either command give any output?
[06:07] <arraybolt3[m]> They should have both been silent, and you should reboot the computer when you're done.
[06:08] <ross__> ok
[06:08] <ross__> thx
[06:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, if you've not done the commands already, do "sudo swapoff /swapfile" before the other two commands.
[06:10] <arraybolt3[m]> If you've already done them, then just reboot and then come back so we can check to see if the swapfile is in use or if we need to tell the system to use it.
[06:13] <ross__> ok
[06:13] <ross__> everything is ok
[06:14] <ross__> after I reboot
[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, nice. So now can you pop open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, and run "swapon" and tell me if anything happens?
[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (If everything is right, it should output some text. If your system needs set up to use the swapfile, it should be silent.)
[06:15] <ross__> nothing happens
[06:15] <ross__> no output
[06:15] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. We will have to configure your system to use the swapfile. Run "sudo nano /etc/fstab".
[06:16] <ross__> I have opened it
[06:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, move your cursor to the very end of the file, and type this line:
[06:16] <arraybolt3[m]>  /swapfile none swap nofail 0 0
[06:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Then press Ctrl+S to save, and Ctrl+X to exit.
[06:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Once that's done, reboot one more time and then do the "swapon" command again to see if it worked.
[06:18] <ross__> ok
[06:21] <ross__> I have reboot
[06:21] <ross__> and run "swap on"
[06:21] <ross__> nothing happeds
[06:22] <arraybolt3[m]> "swapon" is all one word in the command.
[06:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Your terminal will look like "Me@computername:~$ swapon" when you run the command.
[06:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (Obviously, the bit at the beginning will be different, but you get my point.)
[06:24] <ross__> ok
[06:24] <ross__> yes
[06:24] <ross__> I just run swapon
[06:24] <ross__> not "swap on"
[06:24] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. And you don't see anything like "/swapfile file 8G 0B -2" on your screen when you do that?
[06:25] <ross__> no
[06:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm.  My fault, I forgot a command. Two commands.
[06:26] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, do this:
[06:26] <ross__> the above is the output of "sudo swapon /swapfile"
[06:26] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo chmod 0600 /swapfile
[06:27] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo mkswap /swapfile
[06:27] <ross__> Ok
[06:27] <ross__> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 8 GiB<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes)
[06:27] <ross__> no label, UUID=9301360c-1f46-47c4-9561-0d2549127706
[06:27] <ross__> the output
[06:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice.
[06:27] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, try "sudo swapon /swapfile" again, then "swapon" again.
[06:28] <ross__> no output
[06:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Is that after both commands, or just after the first one?
[06:28] <ross__> NAME      TYPE SIZE USED PRIO
[06:28] <ross__> /swapfile file   8G   0B   -2
[06:29] <ross__> output
[06:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, there we go!
[06:29] <ross__> great
[06:29] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, reboot one more time, and that should do it. (Sorry to have slowed you down with forgetting the chmod and mkswap part...)
[06:32] <ross__> I have reboot
[06:32] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Just do one more "swapon" to verify that the system is still recognizing the swapfile. If so, that's it!
[06:33] <ross__> NAME      TYPE SIZE USED PRIO
[06:33] <ross__> /swapfile file   8G   0B   -2
[06:33] <ross__> Ok
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, your swapfile is working. That should help your system survive better during programming.
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Is your desktop also not so laggy now?
[06:33] <ross__> Ok, thanks
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[06:34] <ross__> no, slightly better
[06:34] <ross__> Thanks
[06:35] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. You can keep fiddling with the animation speed to see if you can make it as good as possible. Glad to be able to help!
[06:35] <ross__> Ok
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 What is swapfile? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, your swapfile is working. That should help your system survive better during programming.)
 And what it dose?
[19:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Oov: If you're still here, a swapfile is a file on your hard drive that your system can use in place of RAM. If your RAM fills up, it can move stuff to the swapfile, allowing you to do tasks on your system that require more RAM than you actually have.
 Hi, everybody:)


[05:32] <jibel> Good morning everyone
[05:52] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:07] <jibel> Hey duflu happy new year !
[06:13] <RikMills> happy new year to desktop team!
[06:15] <duflu> Happy new year to you too, jibel and RikMills
[06:16] <RikMills> looks like Wimpress is determined to have a good start :) https://twitter.com/m_wimpress/status/1214057569066586112
[06:24] <jamesh> Something I put together while learning about Github actions during the break: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-github-action-for-snapcrtaft/14930
[06:30] <jibel> We use github actions to automate CI of zsys, https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/tree/master/.github/workflows
[06:30] <jibel> it works great
[06:42] <jamesh> I've used it for a few of my own personal projects, building workflows from existing actions and custom shell script.  This was the first time I'd looked at writing an action.
[06:43] <jamesh> It's much nicer than Travis, where the only canned setup/build steps are those provided by Travis
[08:01] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers!
[08:02] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:02] <jibel> salut seb128
[08:03] <seb128> hey duflu, jibel, how are you? had good holidays?
[08:04] <duflu> seb128, I works 2 days each week, and had nice 5-day weekends. Lots of family and home maintenance. Still didn't finish. You?
[08:04] <duflu> *worked
[08:04] <jibel> holidays were good. I went skiing for a few days. first time in years but it's like bicycle, you don't forget.
[08:05] <jibel> seb128, and you how were your holidays?
[08:05]  * duflu finds he still doesn't remember when on skis
[08:07] <seb128> I had nice holidays, spent a bit over a week in the north of France  and then a week in the east, quite relaxing
[08:10] <jibel> and I tried a real professional flight simulator of an A330. That was awesome.
[08:10] <jibel> no one have been injured ;)
[08:13] <seb128> lol
[08:18] <didrocks> good morning and happy new year!
[08:18] <duflu> Morning didrocks. Happy new year
[08:18] <jibel> salut didrocks, happy new year to you too
[08:19] <didrocks> hey duflu, jibel! How are you?
[08:19] <duflu> didrocks, going well. Though already stressed thinking about how much we can get into 20.04. You?
[08:20] <jibel> didrocks, doing alright. happy holidays?
[08:20] <didrocks> I'm fine thanks! I will leave in ~1h to the train station heading to London, just the time for some catchup
[08:20] <didrocks> jibel: was busy and some train "experiences", but overall, good :)
[08:21] <seb128> lut didrocks, happy new year indeed!
[08:21] <jibel> taking the train during protest ?! you like to live dangerously
[08:23] <didrocks> hey seb128!
[08:23] <didrocks> jibel: well, we didn't really get any other options at this time to visit the family
[08:24] <didrocks> TBH, the worst was on Friday, receiving contradictory information for my today's travel to London
[08:24] <jibel> car rental is an option
[08:24] <didrocks> spent an afternoon between phone calls, train station queuing窶ｦ
[08:24] <jibel> not to go to london ofc
[08:25]  * duflu misses London sprints.  They are always attracted by each other.
[08:29] <jibel> same goes for any liquid close to a keyboard.
[08:29] <duflu> Huh. Make that 2014. Time flies
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, don't flood your travel laptop just before leaving!
[08:36] <seb128> duflu, I guess you saw https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commit/cdcb0188 ? (sorry, just going through post holidays backlog)
[08:36] <duflu> seb128, yes but it doesn't backport so I stopped trying
[08:36] <duflu> I did try though
[08:37] <seb128> duflu, k, fine, we did apply a revert which is good enough for now and we get the upstream way with the next version
[08:37] <duflu> Would have needed to dig up the new feature it uses from PulseAudio 14 and backport that
[08:38] <seb128> yeah, don't do that, just wait for the next tarball :)
[08:40] <duflu> seb128, big progress on bug 1845046 though, which is mildly exciting
[08:40] <seb128> oh, nice
[08:42] <jamesh> I think a lot of the problems with switch-on-connect would go away if it delayed acting on sinks appearing during login
[08:43] <jamesh> If the old default sink is going to show up in a few milliseconds, then it probably doesn't make sense to switch
[08:43] <duflu> jamesh, I suggested exactly that way back in the beginning. Though we already have two fixes that are better than that
[09:02] <Laney> hellooooo
[09:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:03] <seb128> heeeyyyy Laney, happy new year! did you have good holidays?
[09:05] <Laney> hey duflu hey seb128, happy 2020!
[09:05] <duflu> Happy 2020 Laney
[09:06] <Laney> they started off with a plumbing emergency at 7pm on the 23rd
[09:06] <Laney> but got better after we fixed that
[09:06] <Laney> and now I know how to remove a bath, change taps, replace a bath and make it watertight, so that's something
[09:07] <seb128> skills++
[09:09] <Laney> all while preparing for the family to arrive at the same time!
[09:09] <Laney> hope yours were good too
[09:10] <didrocks> happy new year Laney!
[09:11] <seb128> didrocks, did you plan to upload the debdiff from jibel on bug #1848856?
[09:12] <Laney> moin didrocks, happy new year to youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[09:13] <didrocks> seb128: you mean the SRU? If you have time, I'm happy for you to handle it. We prepared the SRU together, but didn't get the time to do proper testing
[09:14] <didrocks> people seem to report for it to work well, but double checking is always good
[09:14] <didrocks> (or we can let people acking on installing the proposed update)
[09:15] <seb128> didrocks, k, I add it to my backlog, thx for the input
[09:16] <didrocks> yw
[09:19]  * Laney tries to remember how this all works
[09:19] <Laney> what's a linux?
[09:20] <duflu> Holiday mode; achieved
[10:11] <ricotz> happy new year desktopers!
[10:12] <seb128> hey ricotz, happy new year to you as well!
[11:27] <Wimpress> Good morning and Happy New Year desktoppers :-)
[11:28] <seb128> hey Wimpress, happy new year!
[11:28] <seb128> Wimpress, you are in London already?
[11:32] <Laney> moin Wimpress
[11:34] <Laney> broken 'file' in unstable at the minute
[11:34] <Laney> means you get packages with no depends!
[11:36] <jibel> Happy new year Wimpress !
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, fun!
[11:39] <Wimpress> Yes, I'm in London. Just making final preparations for the Yaru team to join us.
[12:23] <Laney> mmm free biscuits
[14:01] <didrocks> back from Eurostar this time!
[14:02] <Wimpress> didrocks: How is your journey going?
[14:05] <kenvandine> Happy New Year desktoppers
[14:05] <didrocks> flaky network even when being in the train station :)
[14:05] <didrocks> hey kenvandine
[15:13] <seb128> didrocks, train and IRC usually are not best friends :)
[15:13] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, happy new year to you!
[15:13] <happyaron> train needs mosh to make friends with IRC, happy new year, :)
[15:14] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[15:15] <seb128> hey happyaron, how are you?
[15:15] <seb128> not really new year for you right? :)
[15:15] <happyaron> great, not lunar new year yet, :p
[15:15] <happyaron> it's a week before FOSDEM
[15:28] <seb128> happyaron, do you plan to go to fosdem?
[15:29] <hellsworth> hi everyone! i missed you all :)
[15:29] <Wimpress> Hello hellsworth o/
[15:30] <Wimpress> Happy New Year :)
[15:30] <happyaron> seb128: yes
[15:30] <seb128> hey Heather, happy new year!
[15:30] <hellsworth> happy new year indeed!
[15:30] <seb128> happyaron, nice, maybe I see you there :)
[15:30] <happyaron> cool, :)
[15:33] <Laney> happyaron: that is a long trip for you :-O
[15:33] <Laney> hey hellsworth
[15:34] <kenvandine> hey hellsworth
[15:34] <hellsworth> hi Laney and kenvandine !
[15:34] <Laney> moin kenvandine!
[15:35] <kenvandine> yo Laney
[15:35] <Laney> AH the ol' gang back together
[15:35] <kenvandine> :)
[15:42] <happyaron> Laney: yep, but it's okay, do that twice a year previously...
[15:43] <Laney> are you going just for fosdem?
[15:44] <happyaron> fosdem and later some other stuff at Paris
[15:45] <Laney> ok that's a bit less crazy
[15:45] <happyaron> can't make it for the mini-debconf because of the Chinese new year
[17:18] <kenvandine> kyrofa: thanks for the review :)
[17:18] <kenvandine> kyrofa: and happy new year
[17:33] <kyrofa> kenvandine, back at you! Good break?
[17:52] <kenvandine> kyrofa: yeah, happy to be back though :)
[17:52] <kenvandine> kyrofa: and you?
[17:52] <kyrofa> kenvandine, not long enough, haha
[17:55] <kenvandine> lol
[17:55] <kenvandine> it was really hard to get up this morning :)
[20:16] <robert_ancell> seb128, who's doing NetworkManager these days? Can we update to 1.20.6 or .8?
[20:16] <robert_ancell> Needed for WPA3 support for focal. And I wonder if that's something we should consider enabling in 18.04 LTS.
[20:52] <robert_ancell> 棲
[20:58] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey, happy new year, $new_hire does but meanwhile I've been updating, it's on my list
[20:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, what's the state of the git branch? Is focal just going into master?
[20:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, we backported the wpa3 patches before 19.10 though, is there more needed?
[20:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, we need to update g-c-c to support it.
[20:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, also ':-(' on your polkit version check, it's not helping anyone just creating problems for distro :-/
[20:59] <seb128> that sounds like a similar case
[20:59] <seb128> checking for versions rather than features is suboptimal :/
[21:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, then someone needs to make an official polkit release that we can check for...
[21:00] <robert_ancell> What is the plan with polkit? Just stay on 105 forever?
[21:01] <seb128> so far yes
[21:01] <robert_ancell> Not a great plan...
[21:01] <seb128> since the javascript rules are not something security agrees is a smart move
[21:01] <seb128> also polkit isn't moving much
[21:02] <seb128> still a better plan to stick on something old and secure than on something new and unsecure...
[21:02] <seb128> anyway
[21:02] <robert_ancell> Another one for Frankfurt.
[21:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, also your rational for that version check is boggust
[21:02] <seb128> 'Check that polkit ITS rules are installed' is the report
[21:02] <seb128> checking for a version miss the point
[21:03] <seb128> the report has no hint the user had an outdated version rather than a buggy install
[21:03] <seb128> could be that the distro packaging forgot to include the ITS file in the package
[21:03] <seb128> which your fix doesn't address
[21:04] <robert_ancell> Sure, that's possible. But any dependency can break like that. We're checking for a feature that didn't exist until that version.
[21:05] <seb128> still you are not checking the feature
[21:05] <seb128> anyway, one more distro patch
[21:05] <seb128> I think the fix creates more problems that it solves but I guess I argued enough
[21:06] <seb128> imho you will get more report from contributors who try to build a git version on debian/ubuntu and fail due to get the requirements than you would have got from people trying to build using an old polkit
[21:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, you can add polkit to discuss in frankfurt but I don't think there is much to actually discuss
[21:07] <seb128> the javascript thing has been nacked like 10 years and polkit didn't move much since
[21:08] <seb128> also the rational to not want something as complex as javascript in a security component still stands
[21:09] <robert_ancell> seb128, perhaps we can add the config file backend back upstream and compile without js support.
[21:11] <seb128> robert_ancell, I guess we could, just need to find a maintainer and someone who think that's worth the effort invested to work on that/get it reviewed
[21:11] <seb128> since the current situation has little cost I personally don't think it's something we should work on
[21:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, other topic, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-team-updates-monday-13th-january-2020/13864 ... that's next week in the title, was that wanted?
[21:14] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, I started back on Monday 6th, so I had nothing to write for the previous week!
[21:23] <seb128> robert_ancell, ah, you do it shifted, I (and others I think) usually include their monday since the meeting is on tuesday and it's work until the meeting
[21:24] <seb128> we would post on friday otherwise :)
[21:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, the meeting title is the last day that work was done, right?
[21:25] <seb128> I think
[21:25] <seb128> like today's one would be 6th and include work done today
[21:25] <seb128> (or yesterday for you)
[21:25] <seb128> and that would be what we look at tomorrow for the meeting
[21:25] <robert_ancell> I assumed that meeting would be skipped )
[21:25] <robert_ancell> :)
[21:26] <seb128> haha
[21:26] <seb128> we didn't do much during holidays
[21:26] <robert_ancell> Perhaps you've been missing meetings and can't wait to have one!
[21:26] <seb128> but Debian work, syncs, users were still ongoing so I expect we will at least have proposed migration and rls tagged bugs to review
[21:27] <seb128> probably :)
[21:27] <seb128> anyway, that's for tomorrow, calling it a day for now
[21:27] <seb128> have a good evening/day desktopers, depending of your timezones :)
[21:28] <gQuigs> how much do we use polkit nowadays?  could the remaining uses be replaced with xdg-desktop-portal ?    (where I think it's used are updating the system, install/remove software, update firmware, and shutdown?)
[21:31] <robert_ancell> gQuigs, I guess that would make xdg-desktop-portal a lot more complicated? polkit is a much more generic way of wrapping D-Bus calls.
[21:37] <gQuigs> robert_ancell it depends in how many ways we are using it.  if it's just the 4 I mentioned above - it seems simpler to use a more clearly defined interface for them...
[21:37]  * gQuigs apparently kills the conversation...
[21:42] <ahayzen> gQuigs, Are these cases also using polkit or are they something else ? ... gnome-disks when formatting disks, nautilus in the admin:// mode, firewall-config connecting to firewalld
[21:46] <gQuigs> Nautilus, yes it uses polkit - https://github.com/GNOME/nautilus/commit/5db7a2952a8091cb11ec74e0fd87cd1814252da2    I don't see a good way to make that one work with xdg-desktop-portal..
[21:51] <gQuigs> gnome-disks I thought did, but I guess not anymore?   I have not been able to figure out what it uses today... https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-disk-utility/commit/0c6e07148d1ebedc3ee09b9d3da7efbcc5991ff5
[21:55] <gQuigs> unsure about the firewall


[04:22] <chesedo> morning all
[04:50] <dlPhreak> Morning
[05:12] <magespawn> good morning
[06:49] <Iqbal> How do I download the broadcom wireless driver and install it on my laptop? Thanks
[06:50] <Iqbal> I don't have a wired internet connection
[07:02] <inetpro> good mornings
[13:29] <Kilos> afternoon all
[13:30] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[17:17] <magespawn> good evening
[17:45] <magespawn> evening Kilos
[17:45] <Kilos> hi magespawn and everyone else
[17:46] <Kilos> magespawn you missed the meeting
[17:46] <Kilos> naughty
[17:47] <magespawn> again, yes, i was tired, took a nap and woke up at 21:30, sorry
[17:47] <Kilos> ok
[17:48] <Kilos> you missed lots
[17:48] <magespawn> i will take a read through the minutes as soon as they are up
[17:48] <Kilos> read the minutes if you get time
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:49] <Kilos> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[17:53] <Kilos> hi arts
[17:53] <arts> hey Kilos how ya doin?
[17:54] <Kilos> you need to add your irc password to your irc client so you cloak before joining channels
[17:54] <Kilos> im good ty and you
[17:56] <arts> shall do I'm ganna move irc over to my vps soon anyways, im good thanks how was the hospital?
[17:56] <Kilos> very tiring
[17:56] <Kilos> this way and that many times before you get anywhere
[17:57] <Kilos> hi fusionsparc
[17:57] <Kilos> you need to add your irc password to your irc client so you cloak before joining channels
[17:57] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57] <fusionsparc> Hi Kilos..
[17:57] <Kilos> im starting to sound like a stuck record
[17:58] <fusionsparc> Got disconnected and irc connected automatically again..back now..
[18:01] <fusionsparc> prerry sure I can setup a login script...
[18:01] <Kilos> that worked
[18:01] <Kilos> freenode does it automatically i think
[18:02] <Kilos> i think if i disconnect and return im cloaked before joining a channel
[18:02] <Kilos> maybe im wrong
[18:02] <fusionsparc> true but the identify command you have to type manually...looking to setup something like a startup scrtipt that does this..
[18:03] <Kilos> ah
[18:12] <fusionsparc> seems to do the trick now..:)
[18:12] <Kilos> yip thats fine
[18:12] <fusionsparc> ok
[18:13] <Kilos> now if if didnt know your ip i wouldnt be able to trace you
[18:13] <Kilos> haha
[18:13] <fusionsparc> darn...vpn here i come...:)
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> hi Sxuza
[18:18] <Kilos> ai!
[18:18] <magespawn> fusionsparc: what irc client are you using/
[18:18] <magespawn> ?
[18:19] <fusionsparc> xchat on kubuntu..
[18:19] <Kilos> ai!
[18:19] <Kilos> konversation
[18:19] <Kilos> you can configure it to look the same as xchat
[18:20] <theblazehen> https://asciinema.org/a/8kz7j3bj2lw0o07zb2e98vmm2 I like vim
[18:20] <Kilos> but you lose the bloep, till you add bell.ogg  to /usr/share/sounds and point the notifications there
[18:20] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos magespawn fusionsparc
[18:21] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[18:21] <magespawn> i thought xchat had settiings that could store the nick and password
[18:21] <magespawn> hi theblazehen
[18:21] <fusionsparc> hi theblazehen
[18:21] <Kilos> yes it does magespawn
[18:21] <fusionsparc> yip, using that atm..
[18:21] <Kilos> where you choose auto join channels you put your irc password in
[18:22] <magespawn> ahh right
[18:22] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[18:22] <Kilos> wake up before i go to sleep
[18:23] <fusionsparc> Quassel come with kubuntu by default..
[18:23] <Kilos> yes
[18:24] <fusionsparc> seems more structures interface wise though most irc client does the same thing...
[18:24] <Kilos> but i couldnt get bell.ogg to work with it
[18:24] <fusionsparc> ok
[18:24] <superfly> .
[18:25] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:25] <Kilos> one day ill learn what . and .. mean
[18:25] <Kilos> maybe when i get bigge
[18:25] <Kilos> r
[18:26] <fusionsparc> lol
[18:29] <magespawn> i used to use quassel a lot, espicially with the seperate server and client
[18:30] <fusionsparc> ok
[18:30] <superfly> there's an android quassel client, and there's even a webclient these days
[18:31] <fusionsparc> sounds like an ambitious irc client..
[18:31] <superfly> well, the android client and the web client are "3rd party" clients
[18:32] <magespawn> useful if you want to use multiple clients/devices to connect
[18:32] <superfly> just don't forget to disconnect when you're done
[18:33] <superfly> otherwise you don't get notifications in the other(s)
[18:33] <superfly> by the way, I'm typing from the web client now
[18:33] <superfly> and now from the official client :-)
[18:34] <Kilos> the official one puts text in bold
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <magespawn> i do not see any difference here
[18:34] <Kilos> hahahahaha
[18:34] <Kilos> joking man
[18:35] <magespawn> hah
[18:35] <superfly> And now from quasseldroid
[18:35] <Kilos> use konversation you can configure it to show these extras
[18:35] <superfly> Quassel is awesome
[18:35] <superfly> Kilos: July
[18:36] <Kilos> the conf thing
[18:36] <Kilos> you already answered that sir
[18:36] <magespawn> i liked that option, but i do not have a server setup at the momment
[18:36] <magespawn> also i am enjoying irssi
[18:36] <Kilos> ai!
[18:38] <Kilos> superfly can you get quassel to use bell.ogg for alerts/notifications
[18:41] <fusionsparc> I'm off guys..pleasant evening.
[18:42] <Kilos> cheers
[18:42] <Kilos> you too
[18:43] <inetpro> good mornins
[18:44] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[18:44] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[18:44] <superfly> morning inetpro
[18:44] <inetpro> yikes, you guys are early
[18:44] <Kilos> there is a saying for your affliction in afrikaans
[18:44]  * inetpro will have to wake up earlier
[18:44] <Kilos> rigting bedondered
[18:46] <Kilos> telkom fixed the connection in the middle of the night sometime inetpro
[18:46] <inetpro> mooi
[18:58] <Kilos> maybe ill try quassel for a while
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:19] <Kilos> inetpro: why what
[19:20] <inetpro> 02/24 20:58:07 <Kilos> maybe ill try quassel for a while
[19:20] <Kilos> oh that
[19:21] <inetpro> it's pointless without the connection to a core
[19:21] <Kilos> well, you all rave about it, and i have learned a bit more so maybe i can make it acceptable to me now
[19:21] <Kilos> nono
[19:22] <inetpro> Konversation on its own is better than quassel
[19:22] <inetpro> *quassel-client on its own
[19:22] <Kilos> so far all i havent found is how to show hosts by nick list
[19:22] <Kilos> konversation has one fault
[19:23] <Kilos> if you log out and in all log highlights are lost
[19:23] <Kilos> everything gray
[19:23] <inetpro> it's not a fault/bug
[19:23] <inetpro> it's a feature
[19:23] <Kilos> imo its a fault
[19:24] <Kilos> try scrolling back
[19:24] <Kilos> not so lekker
[19:24] <inetpro> use the search function if you're looking for your name
[19:24] <Kilos> when highlights are gone you miss nick said etc
[19:25] <Kilos> ohi hibanawb
[19:26] <Kilos> ai!
[19:26] <hibana> Kilos: what's up doc?
[19:26] <Kilos> need to get a space in there still
[19:27] <hibana> oom Kilos, just use Ctrl+F to find your name
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see what hibana said?
[19:30] <inetpro> ai!
[19:30] <inetpro> looks like he fell asleep hibana
[19:30] <hibana> ya
[19:31]  * hibana waits patiently for a sign of life
[19:31] <hibana> he got lost in the ether?
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <inetpro> hoekom lag jy oom?
[19:32] <Kilos> i was adding space after tab complete i hope
[19:32] <Kilos> hibana  long time no see
[19:32] <Kilos> uh oh i added 2
[19:32] <hibana> ai!
[19:33] <Kilos> well one cant see then so not easy to cound
[19:33] <Kilos> count
[19:33] <Kilos> them as well
[19:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:33] <inetpro> what do you want to count oom Kilos?
[19:33] <inetpro> and why?
[19:33] <Kilos> the spaces in the suffix thing
[19:34] <Kilos> i add a space not ;
[19:34] <Kilos> or :
[19:35] <Kilos> how am i gonna chat to you from aus at this time
[19:35] <Kilos> oh get up at 5am i spose
[19:36] <Kilos> hibana  you see the konversation fault
[19:37]  * inetpro can only see features
[19:37]  * hibana agrees with inetpro
[19:37] <Kilos> oh hibana why would i use ctrl+f to find me name
[19:37] <Kilos> i know where my name is
[19:37] <hibana> why would you want to see highlights in the history oom Kilos?
[19:38] <Kilos> so i can give feedback like the minutes to mage earlier
[19:39] <Kilos> and see who said what easier
[19:39] <hibana> please explain how that relates to highlights
[19:39] <Kilos> well minutes are highlighted at end of meeting
[19:40] <inetpro> really!?
[19:40] <Kilos> if they stay highlit i find them easier
[19:40] <inetpro> Ctrl-F minutes [ENTER}
[19:40] <Kilos> otherwise everything is gray text
[19:40] <inetpro> [ENTER]*
[19:42] <Kilos> you want me to know how to do everything so you can do less
[19:42] <Kilos> ai!
[19:42] <Kilos> we are a team all of us
[19:42] <Kilos> i pull strings and you guys make music
[19:43]  * hibana giving up
[19:43] <hibana> bye
[19:43] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:43] <Kilos> cheers hi
[19:43] <Kilos> ty for visiting
[19:43] <Kilos> ai!
[19:43] <Kilos> so rude
[19:44] <Kilos> wb hibana
[19:44] <Kilos> look after yourself my friend
[19:45] <Kilos> inetpro  you must get hibana to come give some of the new guys some rigting
[19:45] <hibana> Kilos: you can even change the color of the backlog if you really want
[19:46] <Kilos> i saw that
[19:46] <hibana> anyway... goodbye
[19:47] <inetpro> poor dude is tired again
[19:47] <Kilos> such a drumpy old man that
[19:47] <Kilos> grumpy
[19:47]  * Kilos tired too
[19:47] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:48] <Kilos> inetpro  that includes you
[19:48] <inetpro> oh no oom Kilos
[19:48]  * inetpro is still full of life
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:48]  * inetpro is always awake
[19:48] <Kilos> yaya
[19:49] <Kilos> you pulling a crash kid stunt
[19:49] <Kilos> then hear an alert and wake up and say i was busy
[19:50] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem met my volk
[19:50] <Kilos> night
[20:28]  * Cryterion peeks in the room
[20:29] <magespawn> hi Cryterion
[20:29] <Cryterion> heya magespawn
[20:29] <Cryterion> looks quiet here
[20:30] <magespawn> has been most of the day. got chatty a little while back, then ppl need to sleep for some reason
[20:30] <Cryterion> yeah notice, been in out all day, missed all the chat
[20:35] <magespawn> funny how that happens at certain times
[20:41] <magespawn> okay then.
[20:41] <superfly> hey magespawn
[20:41] <superfly> I appear to have some bites on me. weird. one on my hand and one on my arm.
[20:43] <magespawn> hey superfly
[20:43] <magespawn> anything else? symptoms?
[20:44] <superfly> just itchy.
[20:44] <superfly> it's weird because I don't normally get bitten
[20:44] <magespawn> mozzies?
[20:44] <superfly> mrs_fly gets eaten alive by them, but they ignore me.
[20:44] <magespawn> it happens to the best of us
[20:47] <magespawn> in tis part of the world you get uaed to being eaten
[20:52] <magespawn> as long as it is not serious
[21:00] <superfly> actually, I never got one bite while in Mozambique
[21:00] <superfly> anyway, it's bed time for me. I'm zonked. Later
[21:12] <magespawn> good night, bedtime for me too.
[21:27] <inetpro> good night


[05:57] <noops> Hi, I need to create bundle using local charm
[05:57] <noops> Not getting how to go for it
[07:22] <noops> Hi, I need to create bundle using local charm
[07:22] <noops> how can we do that
[12:51] <ak_dev> hi, I have a doubt regarding peer relations, if anybody is online, please do ping


[04:37] <nacc> rbasak: specifically waas pinging that in my latest branch, which tries to speed up the importer (and solve our idempotency issue), we would do branch manipulations at the end, so the tests need to change a bit (import_uunapplied_dsc, e.g., no longer does any branch manipulation). Will take some more time for me to rework the tests (I have all the tag parts of the tests passing now.
[05:15] <neo4> Hi
[05:15] <neo4> Who know how to solve this problem, why forever doesn't run from crontab but works from terminal?
[05:15] <neo4> https://github.com/foreverjs/forever/issues/997
[05:15] <neo4> this is my theme
[05:46] <neo4> PATH
[05:46] <neo4> we can't run command in crontab without new env variables
[05:47] <neo4> yes, I've solved it. are you  interested what I did?
[05:47] <neo4> add new evarinment variables
[05:48] <neo4> and explicetly say cron to use bash
[05:48] <neo4> said
[05:54] <neo4> I've solved this, there is decision https://github.com/foreverjs/forever/issues/997
[09:02] <cpaelzer> I realize I'm too busy when I start music after working for 4 hours already :-/
[09:02] <cpaelzer> good ?morning?
[09:05] <blackflow> good almost noon. and lol yeah, been there :)
[11:21] <blackflow> my google-fu is failing me, is there a ubuntu-specific debsecan alternative thingy?
[11:25] <rbasak> What's debsecan?
[11:25] <rbasak> Oh. http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/
[11:25] <rbasak> I'd never heard of that
[11:26] <blackflow> it'd be cool to have a tool like that for ubuntu. supposedly debsecan should be easily modifiable to read ubuntu specific databases
[11:26] <rbasak> I don't know of any equivalent. You might want to ask in #ubuntu-hardened where the security team hang out
[11:26] <blackflow> ohhuh, yeah, I thought this was -hardened :)  thanks.
[12:11] <DirtyCajun> i am trying to get tgt to show a lun to my esxi host that is a LVM lv. When i give tgt a .img (or whatever) that i create with dd it works just fine. But any time i try to give it a disk (/dev/sdXX) or a lv (/dev/mapper/xxx/xxx) it doesnt show on the esxi side. any thoughts?
[12:45] <DirtyCajun> i asked the question for 2 weeks. Never got an answer... and my server magically decided to like it and start working... mind blown.
[12:47] <blackflow> DirtyCajun: zen of sysadmin. any problem will eventually fix itself. :)
[14:18] <neo4> hi
[14:18] <neo4> Who can estimate my English speaking? Can I make video tutorials. I'm going to do tutorial about linux?
[14:19] <neo4> this is my test video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPAUiqEsBuU&t=2s
[14:27] <dpb1> neo4: wrong channel
[15:03] <TvL2386> hey guys, anybody got a if-pre-up.d script to work on 18.04?
[15:06] <Tomer> Hi
[15:06] <TvL2386> hi
[15:07] <Tomer> Is it the right place to ask about systemd?
[15:07] <rbasak> TvL2386: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Network_configuration
[15:07] <rbasak> TvL2386: AFAIK, since networkd doesn't support blocking pre-change hooks, as long as you use systemd-networkd you can't have those.
[15:08] <rbasak> Tomer: you can ask about systemd _in Ubuntu_ here.
[15:08] <Tomer> I'm trying to understand how a service is being run as a user
[15:09] <Tomer> the systemd directive is User=blah
[15:09] <Tomer> I did not see it used anywhere
[15:09] <TvL2386> rbasak: yeah I put my executable bash script in /usr/lib/networkd-dispatcher/routable.d and expected it to be ran on boot, but it's not
[15:10] <rbasak> Tomer: are you looking for systemd user instances?
[15:10] <Tomer> postgres, for example, has a user in the shadow file, but no User directive anywhere. The process is being run as a user
[15:10] <rbasak> TvL2386: did you install networkd-dispatcher?
[15:11] <TvL2386> rbasak: networkd-dispatcher 1.7-0ubuntu3 was already installed
[15:11] <rbasak> Tomer: it's quite common for daemons to drop their own privileges down from root. I don't know about postgres specifically without looking, but in these cases there would be no User directive in systemd. It'd be down to individual daemon configuration.
[15:11] <TvL2386> I have a correct #!/bin/sh shebang, line 2 is `date > /tmp/iptables-restore` but that file is never created... so it's not ran? Also cannot find any evidence in /var/log/syslog that it was run
[15:12] <Tomer> I've searched the source code of postgres, there's no use of setuid, setguid or seteuid.
[15:12] <Tomer> Each deamon is supposed to drop it's own privileges? There's no implicit mechanism for that?
[15:13] <Tomer> systemd implicitly create a cgroup per daemon, btw
[15:14] <Tomer> Where can I ask where the postgres permission are dropped?
[15:14] <TvL2386> just a guess: #postgres
[15:14] <rbasak> Traditionally all daemons dropped their own privs
[15:15] <rbasak> Nowadays systemd can do it for you, but it's more complex in terms of the privileged operations daemons need to do first, so not all of them do it that way yet
[15:15] <rbasak> (and may have no plans to change)
[15:16] <TvL2386> just checked nginx for fun. The master process is ran as root, the workers www-data
[15:17] <TvL2386> same thing for php-fpm
[15:20] <Tomer> Ok, thanks! I'll ask the postgres guys as well
[15:24] <hackeron> Hi there, I'm trying to wrap my head around netplan. How would I get the equivalent of this? < https://pastebin.com/8ff6953V -- e.g. both dhcp and a static IP on an alias of the same interface. The examples I can find show 1 or the other, but not both?
[15:26] <TvL2386> good luck :)
[15:26] <TvL2386> I've copied my executable shell script to /usr/lib/networkd-dispatcher/*.d/ but it does not get executed on boot
[15:27] <TvL2386> it should work according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Network_configuration
[15:27] <TvL2386> so how do you purge `netplan`?
[15:34] <rbasak> cyphermox: see hackeron's request above - I can't find any obvious answer based on the docs for that use case.
[15:35] <rbasak> I wonder if networkd would stomp on extra IPs if DHCP is enabled regardless? I don't know.
[15:35] <rbasak> TvL2386: netplan does nothing if no netplan config is defined, AIUI. So just install ifupdown if you don't want to use netplan.
[15:36] <rbasak> hackeron: the obvious syntactic answer would be to enable dhcp and also define addresses. I don't know whether that will work though.
[15:36] <rbasak> hackeron: in fact
[15:36] <rbasak> hackeron: "Add static addresses to the interface in addition to the ones received through DHCP or RA."
[15:36] <rbasak> hackeron: so there's your answer
[15:37] <rbasak> From https://netplan.io/reference#common-properties-for-all-device-types
[15:37] <TvL2386> rbasak: no netplan config? My /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml contains the correct configuration to bring up ens160 and works fine
 so how do you purge `netplan`?
[15:38] <TvL2386> that was just a joke :)
[15:38] <hackeron> rbasak: ah, that did work! :D
[15:38] <TvL2386> growing pains here
[15:39] <hackeron> rbasak: easy enough - I'm trying to embrace netplan, it's a bit frustrating though - for example installing netscript breaks openvpn and all kinds of other things, so removed that and trying to use netplan exclusively :P
[15:39] <TvL2386> I'm either screwing up or there's a bug with that networkd-dispatcher not being executed or not executing my scripts
[15:40] <rbasak> hackeron: feedback on breakages appreciated. Though some of it may be networkd limitations rather than netplan - for example on the hooks thing - so that might be something that networkd upstream needs to tackle rather than netplan.
[15:41] <rbasak> TvL2386: I don't see anything obvious that you're doing wrong there.
[15:41] <rbasak> TvL2386: networkd-dispatcher acts on dbus signals so perhaps use a dbus debugger to see if the signal is being generated at all?
[15:42] <rbasak> (or hack networkd-dispatcher to give you that debug info)
[15:42] <TvL2386> rbasak: thanks for the help anyway ^^
[15:43] <TvL2386> rbasak: I thought DBUS was a ubuntu desktop thingy -_-
[15:44] <rbasak> It's not Ubuntu-specific at all. Is it a freedesktop thing? I'm not sure.
[15:44] <rbasak> I do quite like it as a language agnostic but powerful enough IPC mechanism.
[15:44] <rbasak> Powerful = signals, properties, etc.
[15:49] <TvL2386> anyway: is it a desktop thing or also a server thing?
[15:49] <TvL2386> dbus-daemon is running
[15:50] <TvL2386> on my server
[15:53] <rbasak> It's much more common on the desktop, but it isn't exclusively desktop.
[15:53] <rbasak> systemd uses it quite a bit
[17:47] <ahasenack> rbasak: one difference in buildflags between debian and ubuntu is -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions (ubuntu has it, debian doesn't)
[17:47] <ahasenack> does that raise a flag?
[17:47] <ahasenack> I've yet to check what it means
[17:48] <ahasenack> oh, it does mention "global symbols"
[17:48] <ahasenack> and the segfault is exactly about a global variable that suddenly became NULL
[17:51] <ahasenack> ...and I see this in d/rules
[17:51] <ahasenack>         LDFLAGS="$(dpkg-buildflags --get LDFLAGS | sed -e 's/-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions//')" \
[17:51] <ahasenack> hmmm
[17:51] <ahasenack> and
[17:51] <ahasenack>     - Add LDFLAGS to avoid issues with accessing global variables in
[17:51] <ahasenack>       shared libraries (LP #1470687, LP #1472115).
[17:52] <ahasenack> heh
[17:52] <ahasenack> definitely looks familiar
[17:54] <ahasenack> ah, I see it
[17:56] <ahasenack> fixed
[17:56] <ahasenack> nice
[17:56]  * ahasenack commemorates with some coffee
[21:45] <nicolas17> hi
[21:46] <nicolas17> the official Vagrant box at https://app.vagrantup.com/ubuntu/boxes/xenial64 enables the serial console
[21:46] <nicolas17> by having this in its Vagrantfile
[21:46] <nicolas17> vb.customize [ "modifyvm", :id, "--uartmode1", "file", File.join(Dir.pwd, "ubuntu-xenial-16.04-cloudimg-console.log") ]
[21:47] <nicolas17> what's the reason for that?
[21:47] <blackflow> headless console output?
[21:48] <nicolas17> I just tested "--uartmode1 disconnected" and it boots 3x faster
[21:51] <motte> anyone here using seafile?
[21:51] <nicolas17> https://paste.kde.org/pz4qubrek (running 5 times each)
[22:16] <sarnold> blackflow: might be worth asking them about it -- they may enable serial consoles as a matter of course, just because the time when you absolutely need one is a bit too late to try to set one up..
[22:53] <blackflow> sarnold: I suppose that's for nicolas17? he asked about why it's on by default.  and I concur.
[22:53] <nicolas17> the slowdown is pretty terrible, I wonder if it's a VirtualBox flaw
[22:54] <nicolas17> some of the log file looks corrupted too, like it drops characters sometimes
[22:54] <sarnold> sorry blackflow, d'oh
[22:54] <blackflow> but serial console output is indeed slow. FreeBSD recently made some patches which radically improved bootup speed on AWS, merely by not outputting anything by default (like grub's "quiet")
[22:54] <nicolas17> ugh AWS
[22:54] <nicolas17> they recently added real-time view of the serial output
[22:55] <nicolas17> previously it only captured the screen after state changes
[22:56] <blackflow> I don't think it's VBox fault. That thing is a blast from the past, it actually has baudrate, default I believe is 115kbps
[22:56] <nicolas17> tail -f on the log file seemed to go at tens of characters per second
[22:57] <nicolas17> and corrupting some text sometimes
[22:57] <nicolas17> audit: nitializing netlink subsysdibl)  6.87] di te=00ud(18308791)iniaze


[05:02] <pitti> Good morning
[05:05] <hikiko> Hello
[08:03] <Laney> hey hey
[08:08] <Laney> pitti: polkit> nice find
[08:13] <Laney> meh, spam to my dropbox-only email address now
[08:17] <Laney> flexiondotorg: could you file a bug for https://code.launchpad.net/~flexiondotorg/ubuntu-themes/lp1624571/+merge/307819 please?
[08:17] <Laney> Might have to turn it into an SRU and that's only possible if there's a bug
[08:19] <willcooke> hey Laney
[08:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:19] <willcooke> hey davmor2
[08:21] <Laney> hi willcooke & davmor2
[08:21] <Laney> what's the haps?
[08:22] <willcooke> it is virtually dark
[08:22] <willcooke> I am cross that the nice weather has ended for another year
[08:22] <Laney> I saw someone walking through town with a Christmas tree on Wednesday
[08:22] <Laney> so there is that
[08:23] <willcooke> O_o
[08:23] <davmor2> Laney: say what now
[08:24] <duflu> And it just started to warm up here :)
[08:24] <Laney> follow the sun engineering
[08:25] <duflu> In more ways than one
[08:26] <duflu> Also, the stores started setting up for Christmas in September, I think?
[08:26] <willcooke> :((
[08:26] <willcooke> http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/stop-premature-christmas-decorating.jpg
[08:28] <Laney> I went to the goose fair last night
[08:28] <Laney> that's a sign that autumn is here
[08:28] <willcooke> ha!
[08:29] <willcooke> That was a "Really should get started on this term now" indicator for me
[08:29] <Laney> \o/
[08:29] <willcooke> freshers month is OVER!
[08:29] <Laney> so many mankinis in town currently
[08:29] <Laney> think this is the second week of term
[08:30] <Laney> Autumn Term: Monday 26 September 2016 – Friday 16 December 2016
[08:30] <Laney> slackers
[08:30] <Laney> barely even have worked out where oceana is by the time you go home
[08:30] <willcooke> :DD
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> Laney, heres the bug for LibreOffice toolbar borders - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-artwork/+bug/1624571
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> And I agree, it should be SRU'd because anyone using the LibreOffice stable PPA on Xenial now has the same issue.
[08:56]  * flexiondotorg in on holiday today but will be peeking in IRC for the next couple of hours
[08:56] <flexiondotorg> And Morning peeps :-)
[08:57] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I meant SRUed to yakkety
[08:57] <Laney> final freeze is now
[08:57] <flexiondotorg> OK
[08:57] <Laney> thanks for the bug, happy hols
[08:59] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've got some more Firefox theme fixes I'll submit merge proposal for on Monday.
[08:59] <flexiondotorg> Also SRU candidates for Y.
[08:59] <Laney> k, make sure there's a bug for those too please
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> Of course :-)
[09:03] <xnox> pitti, so i have enable-ssh-support in my gpg-agent.conf options
[09:03] <xnox> and it appears to be using ${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR}/gnupg/S.gpg-agent.ssh, rather than ${GNUPGHOME/S.gpg-agent.ssh
[09:03] <xnox> and it appears to be using ${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR}/gnupg/S.gpg-agent.ssh, rather than ${GNUPGHOME}/S.gpg-agent.ssh
[09:03] <xnox> meaning that the systemd user job is wrong.
[09:04] <xnox> i do not know when this has changed.
[11:36] <pitti> xnox: /usr/lib/systemd/user/gpg-agent.service actually uses the GNUPGHOME paths (same as the upstart job)
[11:37] <pitti> xnox: maybe you see the one from gnome-keyring?
[12:51] <rcj> X/Unity on yakkety with two displays is giving me an area that acts like a hall of mirrors like https://goo.gl/photos/nyCNeEnMtpSVfhcN6
[12:51] <rcj> ^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1631349
[13:36] <willcooke> qengho, how goes Matthew?
[13:37] <qengho> willcooke: 'sup! I was about to say "nothing!" but literally the power went out as you.. and now it's back on. SO, back to blasè. It's nothing.
[13:38] <willcooke> qengho, did you get lucky with your location, or is it calming down generally?
[13:38] <jbicha> last major storm, neighbor had a tree that was knocked down
[13:39] <qengho> willcooke: It could be my location. It was gusty all night and never felt harrowing.
[13:41] <qengho> I'm giving my UPS a workout, now.
[13:41] <jbicha> qengho: this map looks kinda cool https://www.ventusky.com/?p=28.95;-78.49;6&l=gust&w=0xIAb9A9A
[13:42] <qengho> That's really good, jbicha.
[13:43] <willcooke> ooh!
[13:43] <willcooke> pretty
[13:43] <qengho> In that map, I'm right next to the . mark of Orlando. Orange.
[13:43] <jbicha> it was posted on hacker news
[13:44] <jbicha> I'm south of tampa so the last 2 named storms this year were worse here
[14:58] <jbicha> qengho: um, Matthew may be hanging around next week too :( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/10/05/thrown-for-a-loop-matthews-forecast-track-could-rank-among-weirdos-in-hurricane-history/
[14:59] <qengho> jbicha: At least it blows the mosquitoes away.
[15:06] <davmor2> bregma, willcooke, mterry: Question if I login to unity8 desktop and select suspend why do I get the tablet style login screen but on log out and lock I get the standard unity7 lock/login screen?
[15:11] <mterry> davmor2: I don't know off the top of my head -- I recall testing the session and seeing the tablet style on log out, but haven't tested super recently
[15:12] <willcooke> just tested here, and I got the U8 lock screen on both
[15:13] <willcooke> assuming that "log out and lock" is the "lock" option you see when you choose logout from u8
[15:13] <willcooke> either way - doesn't sound like something to be concerned about
[15:13] <davmor2> willcooke: suspend show unity8 lock for me but log out and lock both show the unity7 here
[15:14] <willcooke> ahhahaha
[15:14] <willcooke> switch to vt7
[15:14] <willcooke> and then vt8
[15:16] <davmor2> ha now I see both that is awesome I assume then that this auto switches to vt7 for me but not for you or something
[15:17] <davmor2> willcooke: did you enable something that I haven't maybe?
[15:17] <willcooke> yeah
[15:17] <willcooke> dunno, I haven't fiddled with anytning
[15:33] <bregma> the "Unity 7" screen is LightDM showing the Unity 7 greeter, the "Unity 8" screen is Unity 8 showing the Unity 8 greeter
[15:34] <bregma> all we need to do is witch over to the Unity 8 greeter in LightDM and everything will be peaches
[16:50] <willcooke> happy weekend y'all.  Hope Matthew doesn't cause you any bother
[17:17]  * Laney melts into a puddle
[17:17]  * Laney Mack
[17:17]  * Laney GC161
[17:48] <Laney> happy weekend dudezzzzzz


[02:47] <Guest27> Hi all, Thanks for Ubuntu Budgie.
[02:48] <Guest27> I have a small a question, how can I have KStatusNotifierItem working instead of libappindicator ? some apps does not show tray icons


[01:00] <waldo323> Good evening
[01:10] <gamerchick02> howdy
[01:20] <waldo323> Is there a meeting tonight?
[01:23] <gamerchick02> there's supposed to be but i think cmaloney is still on the road from pyOhio
[01:33] <gamerchick02> ok no meeting for now. i think i'm gonna go analogue and read a book in bed. see everyone later
[01:36] <jrwren> what book?
[01:45] <cscheib> win 7
[01:46] <cscheib> ugh, always do that.
[02:12] <_stink_> haha, look at the radar
[02:20] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:20] <cmaloney> Just got home
[02:20] <cmaloney> jrwren: Thank you. :)
[02:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, I just got home so there's no real meeting tonight.
[02:22] <cmaloney> About the only thing that is on the radar is Ohio Linuxfest
[02:22] <cmaloney> not sure who all is going to OLF
[14:03] <cmaloney> Morning
[14:11] <brousch> yes
[14:34] <cmaloney> Heh
[16:27] <cscheib> OLF would be cooler if it weren't for the O
[17:21] <cmaloney> Ohio isn't so bad
[17:21] <cmaloney> we just got back from PyOhio
[17:22] <brousch> Michigan washes the Ohio off of us every year when we return
[17:23] <brousch> I'm sorry, but if your name is James Bond, every talk you give should be spy-themed http://www.oreilly.com/pub/e/3484?imm_mid=0d5e80&cmp=em-na-webcast-info-webcast_20150803
[17:35] <cmaloney> heh


[10:52] <kontra2> hi all
[10:53] <kontra2> what app to use to draw using mirroring?
[10:53] <kontra2> in ubuntu studio
[14:17] <tarzeau> grafx2 has something for mirroring...