[01:01] <Slyboots> Hello all
[01:02] <Slyboots> I was tracing down a problem wiht my server (hard-lock) and noticed something really weird in the logs
[01:02] <Slyboots> Not sure if this is "normal" Apr 13 18:39:01 beluga CRON[6946]: (root) CMD (  [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -n 200 -r -0 rm)
[01:03] <kirkland> Daviey: hey, do we still need some ISO test coverage?
[01:03] <Daviey> kirkland, That would rock.
[01:03] <Daviey> kirkland, do you have hardware with 2 x hd's?
[01:04] <kirkland> Daviey: tonight, or can it be done on the morrow?
[01:04] <kirkland> Daviey: i have tons and tons of KVMs :-)
[01:04] <Slyboots> Anyone have any idew aht that command might be donig? I dont have any crontjobs setup as root o.o
[01:04] <kirkland> Daviey: and my primary server has 2 hd's, but zat's it
[01:04] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: can you please take care of the recently uploaded SRU by Daviey for vsftpd please
[01:04] <Daviey> kirkland, we are slow close to complete coverage before b2, making nowish a better time.
[01:05] <Daviey> crikey RoAkSoAx, i literally just dputted it :P
[01:05] <Daviey> kirkland, i had a rough time with raid/amd64 using virtualbox
[01:06] <Daviey> would really like it reproduced, even with kvm.
[01:06] <Daviey> kirkland, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5442/286
[01:07] <kirkland> Daviey: i can get this up and running with raid
[01:07] <kirkland> Daviey: sorry, with kvm
[01:07] <Daviey> kirkland, thanks - see my comments
[01:08] <kirkland> Daviey: doing it now, then the missus wants me to join her for dinner
[01:08] <Daviey> removing first hd worked for me, reversing the test failed... i think it was vboxes fault tho
[01:08] <Daviey> kirkland, That is fine, dinner + laptop on table *always* goes down well.. I know from experience. :/
[01:12] <kirkland> Daviey: installing
[01:17] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: heeheh I just wanna get that done :P
[01:18] <Daviey> :)
[01:42] <kirkland> Daviey: okay, installed
[01:44] <kirkland> Daviey: hmm, hanging for a *long* time at installing grub, 66%
[01:44] <kirkland> Daviey: nevermind, made it past
[01:44] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'll get a DRBD/MySQL and will let you know to try eCryptfs
[01:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: rocking ;-)
[01:46] <Daviey> kirkland,  I was about to head to bed, but curious how this works out.
[01:46] <kirkland> Daviey: hang here, 2 more minutes
[01:46] <kirkland> Daviey: trying to boot from disk a only
[01:47] <kirkland> Daviey: okay, disk a boot worked
[01:47] <kirkland> Daviey: but i see my byobu/raid plugin is broken
[01:47] <kirkland> Daviey: separate bug
[01:48] <Daviey> :(
[01:48] <Daviey> kirkland, yeah dropping disk A worked for me
[01:48] <Daviey> (make sure you wait for raid to rebuild after boot)
[01:48] <kirkland> Daviey: booting from disk b
[01:48] <kirkland> Daviey: yup, it rebuilt
[01:49] <smoser> hm... jamespage is not awake.
[01:49] <Daviey> slacker.
[01:49] <kirkland> Daviey: disk b booted fine
[01:49] <smoser> hggdh, do you know how to kick off jamespage's jenkens ec2 tests ?
[01:49] <Daviey> kirkland, ahh cool
[01:49] <kirkland> Daviey: behavior looks good here, except for my byobu/raid breakage
[01:49] <Daviey> wonder what caused my headache
[01:49] <smoser> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/natty/20110413.1/ is ready
[01:50] <hggdh> smoser: it only runs on his server...
[01:50] <kirkland> Daviey: virtualbox
[01:50] <kirkland> Daviey: i'll mark this passed for me
[01:50] <Daviey> kirkland, sweet, thanks.
[01:50] <kirkland> Daviey: no problem
[01:51] <kirkland> Daviey: time for dinner
[01:51] <Daviey> kirkland, o/
[01:51] <Daviey> time for bed here methinks.
[01:51] <Daviey> smoser, The best i can suggest is jotting jamespage an email asking him to kick it off first thing.
[01:52] <Daviey> smoser, I thought you and jamespage were working on a plan for you to be able to kick them off aswell?
[01:52] <smoser> yes. i will do that.
[01:53] <Daviey> smoser, How long did the jenkins testing take last time?
[01:53] <Daviey> (smoser, do i understand it that you won't be doing your normal testing for b2)
[01:53] <smoser> i did not do my testing for b1.
[01:53] <smoser> so i had not lanned to for beta2
[01:53] <Daviey> ok, cool.
[01:54] <smoser> under a couple hours to run the tests.
[01:54] <kirkland> Daviey: done, i'm out
[01:55] <Daviey> kirkland, o/
[01:57] <Daviey> Anything else before I head to bed?
[01:57] <zul> Daviey: got your email
[01:57] <Daviey> zul, got your reply :)
[01:58] <Daviey> thanks zul
[01:58] <Daviey> nn all o/
[02:23] <smoser> danielck, sent you an email about testing
[02:24] <rnigam> is anyone here tried vmbuilder before? if so, can you please tell how can I pass vhost=on and virtio as parameters while installing a kvm guest
[02:33] <smoser> as parameters to what, rnigam ?
[02:46] <rnigam> smoser: Could you tell me how you would tell your guest to use virtio drivers and VhostNet drivers at creating time.
[02:46] <rnigam> creation*
[02:46] <smoser> as in when building the image ?
[02:47] <smoser> or as in launching a guest
[02:47] <smoser> building an image really shouldn't need anything.  the virtio drivers are included in any recent (karmic or later at least) kernel, and should "just work".
[02:48] <smoser> when starting kvm, via kvm command line, "-drive mydisk,if=virtio" there are other ways to do that in libvirt and such
[02:51] <rnigam> smoser: what about VhostNet? I finally managed to install the vhost_net module in maverick but have not been able to understand whereI must pass vhost=on as mentioned in : http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/UsingVhost
[02:53] <smoser> i've never used that myself... but,
[02:53] <smoser> > egrep "CONFIG_(VHOST_NET|PCI_MSI)" /boot/config-$(uname -r)  ~
[02:53] <smoser> CONFIG_PCI_MSI=y
[02:53] <smoser> CONFIG_VHOST_NET=m
[02:53] <smoser> 2.6.38-8-generic
[02:53] <smoser> thats natty kernel i'm not sure aobut others
[02:56] <jeffro> hey
[02:56] <rnigam> I am at 2.6.35 and those options are already set by default. So in order for guest to use vhost_net i dont have to do vhost=on at all?
[02:57] <rnigam>  <interface type='bridge'>
[02:57] <rnigam>       <mac address='52:54:00:0e:e1:93'/>
[02:57] <rnigam>       <source bridge='br0'/>
[02:57] <rnigam>       <target dev='vnet0'/>
[02:57] <rnigam>       <model type='virtio'/>
[02:57] <rnigam>       <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x03' function='0x0'/>
[02:57] <rnigam>     </interface>
[02:58] <rnigam> sorry that came by mistake !
[03:03] <smoser> ah, in libvirt, you'll have to somehow tell it to create a kvm guest with vhost, yes
[03:03] <smoser> but i would think that the kernel will figure it out if you do manage to do that.
[03:04] <smoser> you might want to try just launching a kvm guest by hand as dscribed there. (ie, without libvirt as a test)
[03:21] <onecrazycat> Cheers everyone.  I'm setting up DHCP failover and I am a little confused.
[03:22] <onecrazycat> I have an existing server, but on this server I have manually configured groups of hosts.  Do each of these group { statements need a "failover peer "XXXXX" statement?
[03:23] <onecrazycat> For example, I set up failover peer "NAME" { } with a bunch of parameters, and I also have to define what addresses fall into this failover rule…  If I have a ton of different groups, do they all need to reference this?
[03:24] <onecrazycat> BTW, this is all found in the dhcpd.conf file...
[03:41] <onecrazycat> Any dhcpd gurus here tonight?
[04:28] <ap0c> anyone know how to mount a md device on boot ?
[04:28] <ap0c> onecrazycat: yeah i'm pretty good with dhcpd
[04:28] <ap0c> what are you trying to do?
[04:30] <onecrazycat> ap0c: I'm setting up a failover
[04:30] <ap0c> heh, yeah i scrolled back and saw that
[04:30] <ap0c> whats the error ?
[04:30] <onecrazycat> ap0c: No error, just that I have a lot of different groups configured in my dhcpd.conf file.
[04:30] <ap0c> ah, so whats the problem?  it's not failing over?
[04:30] <onecrazycat> ap0c: none of the tutorials or man pages seem to address this commonality.
[04:31] <onecrazycat> ap0c: it isn't even set up yet.  I just want to configure it properly.
[04:32] <ap0c> something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=447377
[04:32] <onecrazycat> ap0c:  I just followed the man page, but I'm no so sure this will give me the results I want.  If I put the "failover peer "NAME";" and a range section in a pool {} under my subnet settings, that's all well and good… but what about hosts outside of that range?
[04:32] <ap0c> ?
[04:33] <onecrazycat> ap0c:  yes, similar to the forum post
[04:34] <onecrazycat> ap0c:  I'm thinking I'm going to give this a go and cross my fingers, but I'm the type that likes to spend a lot of time preparing and less time debugging, dig? :)
[04:34] <ap0c> haha yeah pretty much
[04:34] <onecrazycat> ap0c: which is why I asked about it here.  I appreciate you replying.
[04:34] <ap0c> just go for it man
[04:35] <onecrazycat> ap0c:  Will do.  Thanks :)
[04:53] <dudeami> Anyone here?
[04:55] <dudeami> Nvm
[05:31] <Abhijit> hi
[05:31] <Abhijit> is it okay to have 5-6 apache processse running in localhost only apache server machine? or is it security issue?
[05:31] <Abhijit> hi
[05:31] <Abhijit> hepl
[05:55] <Abhijit> is it okay to have 5-6 apache processse running in localhost only apache server machine? or is it security issue?
[08:28] <jeffro> anyone wanna try to tackle a midnight postfix problem? :D
[08:29] <binBASH> just ask your question
[08:29] <jeffro> alright
[08:29] <jeffro> i get these errors: warning: unable to create lock file /var/mail/xxxxx.lock: permission denied
[08:30] <jeffro> postfix/local says : (cannot append message to file /var/mail/jeffro: cannot open file: Permission denied)
[08:30] <binBASH> so fix your permissions
[08:30] <jeffro> so i ran postfix set-permissions
[08:30] <jeffro> i tried adding myself to the postdrop group
[08:31] <jeffro> etc, doesn't work
[08:31] <jeffro> im not experienced w/ linux, obviously
[08:31] <greppy> what are the permissions on /var/mail and /var/mail/jeffro
[08:31] <jeffro> k
[08:31] <greppy> ls -ld /var/mail
[08:31] <jeffro> drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail
[08:32] <jeffro> thats mail
[08:32] <greppy> ls -l /var/mail/jeffro
[08:32] <jeffro> /vra/mail/jeffro: -rw-rw----  1 jeffro mail
[08:32] <jeffro> and the places the error messages come from is /var/syslog
[08:32] <jeffro> if that matters
[08:33] <greppy> in /var/syslog? are you running ubuntu?
[08:33] <jeffro> yeah, 10.10
[08:33] <jeffro> sorry
[08:33] <jeffro> /var/log/syslog
[08:34] <jeffro> i've tried removing/installing
[08:34] <jeffro> postfix is just pwning me
[08:35] <jeffro> also tried taking off chroot for sendmail
[08:50] <jeffro> also possibly relevant, i changed /etc/aliases to forward root to my user acct. i also appended jeffro: /var/mail/jeffro
[09:00] <jeffro> sorry, back
[09:48] <xelister> hello soren \o/
[09:48] <xelister> vmbuilder continues to suck an epic dick and not working at all
[09:49] <xelister> new bug:
[09:49] <xelister> Setting up linux-firmware (1.34.4) ...
[09:49] <xelister> , stderr: Done.
[09:49] <xelister> Running depmod.
[09:49] <xelister> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-30-server
[09:49] <xelister> mktemp: failed to create directory via template `./TMP/mkinitramfs_XXXXXX': No such file or directory
[09:49] <xelister> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-30-server
[09:54] <xelister> soren: perhaps the workaround for lack of -tmp= flag screws up later installation?
[09:54] <xelister> the setting of TMPDIR
[09:54]  * xelister beats up smoser with a metall gauntlet
[09:54] <xelister> why can't you get vmbuilder to work correctly :<  (on i7 and with small /tmp)
[10:13] <thes26> which is the quicly browser on ubuntu
[10:13] <soren> thes26: Huh?
[10:14] <joschi> thes26: lynx
[10:16] <thes26> joschi, thx
[10:58] <sjbnz> join #linuxoutlaws
[10:58] <Dr_Jekyll> :-)
[11:43] <nimrod10`> what is the conf file for apt in 10.04 server in which I'm supposed to put the http proxy config ?
[11:45] <pnunn> Anyone on here know anything about squid config?
[11:47] <iclebyte_work> pnunn, ask your question
[11:51] <soren> nimrod10`: /etc/apt/conf.d/<something>
[11:56] <pnunn> OK.. I have two servers talking to one authentication box... at one site it works fine... at the other not.
[11:56] <pnunn> as far as I can see the configs are identical.
[11:57] <pnunn> At one site in the log I get in the log
[11:57] <pnunn> access.log.1:1302567283.836    618 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_MISS/200 7321 POST http://fred.spydus.com/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/PGM/CAT/AWZREQ - DIRECT/<IP_ADDRESS> text/xml
[11:57] <pnunn> at the other
[11:58] <pnunn> access.log.1:1302590223.719     77 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_MISS/417 1938 POST http://fred.spydus.com/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/PGM/CAT/AWZREQ - NONE/- text/html
[11:58] <pnunn> which I think means its not passing on the request after the cache miss for some reason.
[11:58] <pnunn> I can't for the life of me find out why its not passing on the request.
[12:03] <nimrod10`> soren, just put a name like  http-proxy  for that file ?
[12:11] <nimrod10`> for further reference , to enable   apt to work through a http proxy  I've put a http-proxy file containing   http://[[user][:pass]@]host[:port]/    in  /etc/apt/preferences.d/
[12:11] <nimrod10`> soren, ^
[12:14] <joschi> nimrod10`: see apt.conf(5) (-> `man apt.conf`) for the correct syntax
[12:15] <joschi> nimrod10`: and /etc/apt/preferences.d is wrong
[12:16] <soren> nimrod10`: See "man apt.conf" for more info.
[12:28] <nimrod10> soren, joschi thanks for the heads up
[13:18] <zul> morning
[13:22] <Daviey> afternoon zul o/
[14:05] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[15:03] <rickspencer3> Daviey, et al ...
[15:03] <rickspencer3> Beta 2 getting ready to go today! what's the word on the street for Ubuntu Server?
[15:09] <smoser> Daviey, so, really, we need to open https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/712026
[15:09] <smoser> its not fixed.
[15:09] <smoser> SpamapS, ^
[15:10] <smoser> s/open/re-open/
[15:10] <smoser> it seems like the race window was reduced.
[15:16] <Daviey> rickspencer3, It's looking pretty good... We've already got near complete test case coverage.
[15:17] <rickspencer3> Daviey, sweet!
[15:17] <rickspencer3> Ubuntu Server is rocking in Natty
[15:17] <rickspencer3> I hope you guys are as psyched as I am
[15:17] <Daviey> rickspencer3, Something i'm not sure about, the minimal virtual instal (formally JeoS) is specified as being <500MB... I believe last cycle we had the same issue we are seeing now where it is ~535MB.
[15:18] <rickspencer3> interesting
[15:18] <Daviey> I'm not sure we /need/ to bring it back under 500MB... (there was original sensible rational).
[15:18] <rickspencer3> Daviey, well, I think 500 Megs is a good limit
[15:18] <rickspencer3> and this demonstrates why having an ISO is good for discipline
[15:18] <rickspencer3> however, it's Beta 2
[15:18] <rickspencer3> and 35MB sounds like a lot
[15:20] <Daviey> rickspencer3, ack... i'm reasonably sure we dicovered this in maverick but let it slide.
[15:23] <Daviey> smoser, do you have thoughts on that bug ^^?
[15:25] <soren> 535MB for JEOS? Wow.
[15:25] <soren> Just... wow.
[15:26] <smoser> Daviey, i have no thoughts on that. i only suspect that some upstart job hung, and thus blocked rc from running (or 'rc' job blocked on something)
[15:26] <smoser> and thus cloud-final didn't run.
[15:27] <smoser> one way or another cloud-final didn't run, and we don't have enough info from the instance to see why that was.
[15:27] <Daviey> soren, Do you remember us having this same discussion last cycle?
[15:27] <smoser> jamespage will modify test suite to collect some info tha tmight be helpful in the future.
[15:27] <soren> Daviey: Honestly? No :)
[15:27] <Daviey> soren, I need to grep logs then... :)
[15:27] <soren> Daviey: I'm not denying it happened. I just have no recollection  of it :)
[15:28] <Daviey> soren, oh aye... i can't remember who was in the discussion.
[15:28] <JanC> why is it so big?  ;)
[15:29] <soren> If I had a nickle for every time I heard that question...
[15:29] <soren> I'd have a nickel.
[15:29] <Daviey> O_o
[15:29] <soren> :(
[15:29] <Daviey> :(
[15:29] <air^> howdy.
[15:29] <JanC> I remember 3 years ago JeOS was smaller than a Debian minimal install  ;)
[15:29] <jamespage> Daviey: we had some issues earlier this cycle with the JeOS install size; I'll see if I can dig out what the issue was
[15:29] <Daviey> jamespage, please...  i expect it's printer related :)
[15:30] <zul> smoser: i might be seeing the same thing in the lxc container using cloud-init
[15:31] <jamespage> hggdh: please can you restart both Jenkins slaves; had to restart the master instance earlier today - ta
[15:32] <jamespage> Wow: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/natty-ec2/job/natty_server_ec2/9/testReport/ - nearly 1000 tests and we did not even do us regions!
[15:35] <soren> The boot seed alone weighs in at 244MB.
[15:38] <Daviey> I'm wondering if we are seeing bug 712145 again, the numbers seem to match.
[15:39] <jamespage> Daviey: ISO testing looks for 550MB not 500MB as a good threshold - there was a reason for this
[15:40] <Daviey> cjwatson, Is it likely pkgsel has reintroduced that bug above ^^?  We are seeing large JEOS installs again.
[15:42] <soren> cjwatson: language-selector-common is in standard. Won't it get installed regardless?
[15:45] <smoser> ok. mainly i'm just curios.
[15:45] <smoser> i dont understand this http://paste.ubuntu.com/594057/
[15:45] <smoser> it seems to me that the 'targzfile.close()' should be enough to ensure that the file exists when 'size = os.path.getsize(targz)' checks.
[15:50] <soren> smoser: How does it fail?
[15:50] <smoser> read the test case... but basically the file that it creates has size 0 when it checks
[15:50] <smoser> so, i guess it does exist, but i would have thought that the close would have ensured that it would have non-zero size.
[15:51] <soren> Oh, it's size 0?
[15:51] <soren> How big is this file usually?
[15:51] <smoser> 1549
[15:51] <soren> bytes?
[15:51] <smoser> yeah
[15:51] <smoser> so they're all in IO buffer
[15:51] <soren> Right.
[15:51] <soren> The problem is this:
[15:51] <smoser> but i would have thought the close would have flushed them
[15:52] <soren> You're closing your own file descriptor, but zipproc has it open, too.
[15:52] <soren> Twice, actually.
[15:52] <soren> (once inherited from your process and once attached to its stdout)
[15:52] <soren> Or maybe subprocess handles the former case. Anyways, it's open at least once.
[15:53] <soren> ...and it's zipproc that has stuff in its buffer.
[15:53] <smoser> right.
[15:53] <hallyn> kirkland: we'd been wanting to package gpxe, looks like ipxe is all set (in its place), ITP for gpxe was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474034.  Q is, is there anything to be done for it on our end before May?
[15:53] <smoser> so the fix path is fine, though.
[15:53] <smoser> right ?
[15:53] <soren> smoser: Yes, perfectly.
[15:55] <hallyn> zul: is there anything to be done to kick the samba community re https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6724 ?
[15:55] <zul> hallyn: looking
[15:55] <soren> smoser: You seem somehow unconvinced?
[15:56] <smoser> well it made sense to me when i made the patch
[15:56] <smoser> but then i thought about it
[15:56] <kirkland> hallyn: not really;  you could, perhaps, push it into the ~ubuntu-virt PPA, for curious Ubuntu virt users
[15:56] <smoser> i think your'e right though
[15:56] <kirkland> hallyn: it won't make it into Natty, though
[15:56] <kirkland> hallyn: and it should be sync'd from Debian once Oneiric archives open
[15:56] <zul> hallyn: ill see what i can do
[15:56] <hallyn> kirkland: it'll get automatically synced?
[15:56] <hallyn> zul: thanks
[15:57] <soren> smoser: It *does* happen. Cccasionally.
[15:57] <hallyn> kirkland: that's waht i was wondering, if there were any steps we could take to get it into O as soon as possible
[15:57] <soren> Occasinally, even.
[15:57] <kirkland> hallyn: if it's in debian unstable before Oneiric's Debian Import Freeze, yes, it's automatic
[15:57] <soren> Errr.
[15:57] <soren> Darn it.
[15:57] <hallyn> kirkland: awesome, thanks
[15:57]  * smoser deletes irc logs of this so he is not bothered by soren being correct
[15:58] <zul> hallyn: which version is that with?
[15:58] <hallyn> zul: you claimed 3.3 :)
[15:58] <hallyn> lemme find our bugs for it again
[15:59] <zul> hallyn: i did? :)
[15:59] <hallyn> zul: well the original bug (which we link dups to) is bug 388483
[15:59] <zul> hallyn: ah ok
[16:00] <hallyn> there it's 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3
[16:01] <hallyn> 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1ubuntu3.2 was the most recent
[16:01] <jamespage> Daviey, RoAkSoAx: I just installed a minimal virtual amd64 natty and its only 429MB?
[16:01] <zul> hallyn: yeah i think we might try to reproduce it again
[16:02] <Daviey> jamespage, wtf.
[16:02] <Daviey> jamespage, that is not helpful.
[16:02] <jamespage> Daviey: TBH that's inline with what I saw on i386....
[16:03] <jamespage> Daviey: 410MB - still had it kicking around
[16:04] <Daviey> jamespage, That makes no sense... RoAkSoAx and highvoltage both saw it 53XMB
[16:04] <Daviey> i think there was one more report aswell of that.
[16:08] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, around?
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yes sir
[16:11] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: what's bothering you my friend?
[16:13] <jamespage> Daviey, RoAkSoAx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594071/
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> ah lol (irssi doesn't notify me :s)
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: weird
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> in my case was 533
[16:14] <jamespage> thats odd
[16:14]  * RoAkSoAx downloading a new ISO
[16:15] <jamespage> Daviey: might be linked to that other issue I had re language support on the ISO boot screen?
[16:15] <jamespage> maybe I'm not getting so many options?
[16:15] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: what did you test on?
[16:17] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: KVM, using testdrive
[16:17] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: I'm using KVM but from virt-manager
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: will test both and compare
[16:26] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, sorry, i was afk
[16:27] <Daviey> I wanted you to compare experiences with jamespage, to try and determine why you have different jeos sized images
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: no worries
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah I'm on it
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> downloadin ISO now
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: just installed again with TestDrive and is 533M
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> will now try with virt-manager
[16:57] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: most puzzling
[17:08] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: /win 13
[17:08] <RoAkSoAx> arghh
[17:08] <jamespage> hehe
[17:08] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[17:08] <RoAkSoAx> sry
[17:08] <RoAkSoAx> happens all the time xD
[17:09] <resno> heres my issue. i installed zyntal. but now i cant get it to speak on the network
[17:09] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: confirmed, installing with virt-manager gives a different disk size
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: 428M
[17:10] <resno> i clear all the iptables, recongiured dhcp. its gets an address but wont "connect"
[17:10] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: same as my install - now that is odd
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: maybe the type of disk used
[17:10] <jamespage> Might be - what does testdrive use?
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: qcow2
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: qcow2
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: any ideas why the install size would differ between TestDrive and virt-manager?
[17:11] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: thats what I used in virt-manager as well so no diff
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> uhm weird then :S
[17:13] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: when you installed using virt-manager did you get presented with multiple language options in the ISO boot screen?
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: yes
[17:13] <jamespage> Hmmm - so not that then - I have an issue there but it seems to be a me only one
[17:14] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: in my case was everything exactly like with TestDrive
[17:16] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: kvm command from testdrive:  kvm -m 512 -smp 2 -cdrom /home/roaksoax/.cache/testdrive/iso/ubuntu_natty-server-amd64.iso -drive file=/home/roaksoax/.cache/testdrive/img/testdrive-disk-KiJDSk.img,if=virtio,cache=writeback,index=0,boot=on -usb -usbdevice tablet -net nic,model=virtio -net user -soundhw es1370 -vga cirrus
[17:16] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: the one with virt-manager /usr/bin/kvm -S -M pc-0.14 -enable-kvm -m 512 -smp 2,sockets=2,cores=1,threads=1 -name natty7-jeos -uuid 59c4d5ff-82e7-4833-c7b9-8c95f5cc769a -nodefconfig -nodefaults -chardev socket,id=charmonitor,path=/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/natty7-jeos.monitor,server,nowait -mon chardev=charmonitor,id=monitor,mode=readline -rtc base=utc -boot order=c,menu=off -drive file=/media/vm1/natty7.img,if=none,id=drive-virtio-disk0,bo
[17:16] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: it must be something with that
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: maybe because testdrive disk format used is with virtio while virt-manager's is raw? -drive file=/media/vm1/natty7.img,if=none,id=drive-virtio-disk0,boot=on,format=raw
[17:20] <cjwatson> Daviey: dunno.  are logs available?
[17:20] <jamespage> hmm - don't think so - I use qcow2 in virt-manager
[17:25] <Daviey> cjwatson, jamespage and RoAkSoAx and comparing, they have differing results.
[17:25] <Daviey> s/and/are
[17:25] <jamespage> Daviey: installing through testdrive appears to create a larger install than installing through virt-manager
[17:27] <Daviey> jamespage, this makes no sense...
[17:27] <jamespage> Daviey: tell me about it :-)
[17:28] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx / jamespage: Might be an idea to reproduce, saving the d-i logs?
[17:30] <jamespage> Daviey: assuming that's what gets installed to /var/log/installer/syslog I already have one :-)
[17:30] <skaet> smoser, Daviey - what's the story with the UEC images?   Am not seeing them on the iso tester
[17:30] <skaet> are we good to ship them?
[17:31] <Daviey> They should be published now smoser ?
[17:31] <smoser> you're not ? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all
[17:31] <smoser> shows them there. we've not run test in the us regions
[17:31]  * skaet refreshing her link...
[17:31] <smoser> because the apt mirrors are broken there. there is an is ticket open, but running test depends on 'apt-get update' not failing.
[17:32] <skaet> smoser,  I don't see UEC images,  just EC2 ones...
[17:32] <smoser> ah... uec images. ok. i dont think they'd been populated there for a while.
[17:32]  * skaet may be cross eyed though by now...
[17:32] <Daviey> ah... they are the same.
[17:32] <smoser> well.... we used to have uec images
[17:32] <smoser> explicitly to test running the images under eucalyptus
[17:32] <Daviey> smoser, They got dropped tho, didn't they?!
[17:33] <smoser> well, they really should not have. it is quite valid to test. we expect the images to work on UEC and we've seen failures on Eucalyptus before.
[17:33] <smoser> now, i happen to know that hggdh tested natty images in natty uec yesterday.
[17:33] <skaet> smoser, Daviey - we have mentioned them in the announce note.   We'll need to synch up what's expected.
[17:34] <smoser> also, if you want to add them, i can get a test run on them. they will run fine.
[17:34] <skaet> smoser,  that would be good.
[17:36] <Daviey> skaet, hmm.. "http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/beta-2/ (Ubuntu Server for UEC and EC2)"
[17:37] <smoser> wait. was that supposed to have been done ?
[17:37] <smoser> is this released now ?
[17:37] <Daviey> no.. not afaik
[17:39] <skaet> Daviey,  we're still preping things.
[17:40] <Daviey> skaet, see my PM?
[17:45] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: ack .. will take a look
[17:46] <SpamapS> smoser: ^^
[17:47] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: cool thnaks
[17:48] <SpamapS> hmm I don't see anything in lucid-proposed for vsftpd
[17:48] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ^^
[17:55] <hggdh> jamespage: how's EC2 testing?
[17:57] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, hmm... i sure did dput it... I wonder if it was lost with the LP outage last night
[17:58] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: maybe
[17:58] <jamespage> hggdh: OK - all regions aside from us-* tested - however archive checksum issues in those regions which means we can't test
[17:59] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, re uploading
[17:59] <hggdh> jamespage: this also includes EBS testing (meaning were they done/not done)?
[17:59] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: thanks
[17:59] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ^^ should be available soon
[17:59]  * RoAkSoAx is off to lunch
[18:00] <jamespage> hggdh: non-optional EBS tests where completed
[18:00] <hggdh> jamespage: perfect, thank you
[18:00] <jamespage> hggdh: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/natty-ec2/job/natty_server_ec2/9/
[18:09] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: see your upload as (Waiting for approval)
[18:09]  * RoAkSoAx really this time off to lunch
[18:09] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, o/
[18:18] <jamespage> Daviey: please can you ignore the merge requests associated with bug 715152
[18:18] <jamespage> need to add headers to the patch
[18:23] <Daviey> jamespage, ack, just update the branch and it'll refresh the merge proposal
[19:03] <hvgotcodes> im trying to get lucid32 running on ec2.  I can start the machine up, but its not running my --user-data-file script
[19:10] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I see it now, wil review
[19:10] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: thanks!
[19:30] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/69370270/vsftpd_2.2.2-3ubuntu7.1_2.2.2-3ubuntu6.2.diff.gz ... looks like you got the version numbers wrong in changelog
[19:31] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: not me.. seems the branchs are not up to date
[19:31] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: take a look to the latest security and update branches those are ubuntu6.1
[19:34] <skaet> smoser,   Just checking I can remove this... "Running images in EC2, t1.micro is currently limited to arch amd64."
[19:34] <smoser> yes.
[19:34] <smoser> skaet,
[19:34] <skaet> :)
[19:34] <skaet> done
[19:36] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: interesting
[19:37] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: you need to make the version higher than the previous upload to proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/2.2.2-3ubuntu7.1
[19:38] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: there's no 7.1 in the archives
[19:38] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: Yes but there was one uploaded (and rejected)
[19:39] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I will ask pitti if that matters but usually it does
[19:42] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: right -updates is 6.2
[19:45] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: so the branch in -proposed was never in -updates
[19:45] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: if it was accepted in proposed, people may have it on their system.
[19:46] <RoAkSoAx> so makes no sense to branch from -proposed
[19:46] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: right but -proposed differs from -updates
[19:46] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: so a SRU enters through -updates
[19:47] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: when a SRU is accepted, then branch should be -updates
[19:47] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: sorry but I have no idea what you are arguing.
[19:47] <SpamapS> this has *nothing* to do with branches. Its the state of the archive. If the branches don't reflect that, its a bug in udd.
[19:48] <hvgotcodes> guys, can u think of why a --user-data-file script wouldn't run?
[19:48] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: going afk for a bit.. bbl
[19:49] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: right but the state of the archive is that there's a ubuntu6.1 as the *last* upload for vsftpd in lucid
[19:49] <RoAkSoAx> so the next one sjhould be ubuntu6.2
[20:00] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: Ok so here's the deal. It seems that the mistake here was that in -proposed there's a branch with 7.1 when it should have been 6.1. That upload was rejected and never made it into the archive, but the branch was kept in -proposes (lp:ubuntu/lucid-proposed/vsftpd)
[20:02] <Daviey> SpamapS, hang on... this doesn't make sense
[20:02] <Daviey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/2.2.2-3ubuntu6.1 == archive content
[20:02] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: Now, I branched the branch in lp:ubuntu/lucid-updates/vsftpd since it has the latest. This branch contains a security update which is now 6.1, and proposed the merge against
[20:02] <SpamapS> Yes apparently the 7.x never made it into the archive
[20:02] <Daviey> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/ubuntu/lucid/vsftpd/sru1 == RoAkSoAx's branch
[20:03] <SpamapS> so its ok.. I'll do the debdiff manually per pitti's advice
[20:03] <Daviey> (based on what is currently in the archive)
[20:03]  * SpamapS begs your patience as he prepares for the sru team jedi trials
[20:03] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yeah that's were I was going next
[20:04] <RoAkSoAx> if I would have prepared a debdiff instead of a branch, it is still ubuntu6.2
[20:04] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: Daviey i guess we've encountered that the approach of branching -proposed -updates -security differently does not maintain consistency of the archive
[20:04] <RoAkSoAx> s/archive/branches
[20:05] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, no, as SpamapS the branches in this instance are irrelvant
[20:05] <SpamapS> UDD is very broken for SRU's. :-P
[20:05] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah but I meant in the case of SRU as SpamapS is mentioning
[20:05] <Daviey> I swear i looked in lucid unapproved queue before uploading.. :/
[20:05] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, ah
[20:06] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: it is not your error, it is an error of having a branch in -proposed that never made it into the archive
[20:06] <RoAkSoAx> which caused the confusion
[20:06] <Daviey> SpamapS, Was this package already in lucid unapproved queue?
[20:07]  * Daviey *boggles*... A) i'm pretty sure i checked the unapproved queue before uploading, B) i uploaded yesterday and recieved no confirmation.
[20:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: that upload was never made I think, but the branch was merged
[20:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but either way, way after that ... an upload for 6.1 as a security update was made
[20:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: so there should not have been any issues when uploading a 6.2
[20:11] <Daviey> Okay... so is the -proposed bzr branch confusion or -proposed archive pocket (approved or unapproved)?
[20:11] <Daviey> SpamapS, ^^ ?
[20:12] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: he's gonna do a debdiff
[20:12] <RoAkSoAx> to ignore the error in the -proposed bzr branch
[20:12] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Well.. i think it would be helpful if we know what caused this :)
[20:17] <SpamapS> Daviey: what caused this is the weirdness between the branches when there are updates/security/proposed versions
[20:17] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: ok, tentatively approved.. have to wait for pitti to do the real accept.
[20:18] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: cool thanks
[20:18] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: and I agree with you, weirdbess between those 3 branches
[20:18] <Daviey> SpamapS, Still confused, RoAkSoAx's bzr branch is based on current -updates content.
[20:18] <Daviey> SpamapS, I couldn't see it in the unapproved queue... so wtf happend?
[20:19] <SpamapS> Daviey: the queue diffs against the "latest version uploaded" .. the latest version isn't decremented if an upload is rejected.
[20:19] <SpamapS> Again, nothing to do with the branches
[20:19] <Daviey> SpamapS, Ahh... you mean the LP generated diff in the unapproved queue?
[20:20] <SpamapS> Daviey: right
[20:20] <Daviey> Ahh!
[20:20] <Daviey> I have an open bug about this
[20:21] <Daviey> SpamapS, so pitti is asking you to debdiff for your review?
[20:27] <jeffro> heyy.... anyone want to help me w/ this postfix issue? :D
[20:27] <Daviey> SpamapS, bug 680911 fwiw
[20:45]  * SpamapS heads to lunch
[20:46] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hey!
[20:46] <SpamapS> mathiaz: hallo from Santa Clara! ;)
[20:46] <mathiaz> SpamapS: happy lunch!
[20:46] <mathiaz> SpamapS: haha - hello from San Francisco
[20:46] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I'm also heading out to lunch :)
[20:46] <RoyK> zzhellozz from zznorwayzz
[20:49] <jeffro> yayyy sf and santa clara
[21:16] <hallyn> soren: question on vmbuilder.   You build (built) for current dev release using lp:vmbuilder and lp:~vmbuilder-dev/packaging.  To SRU a cherry-pick from a bzr commit, would you insist on moving to a whole new commit, or would you take lp:ubuntu/lucid-updates/vm-builder and just update it?
[21:17]  * RoAkSoAx will be back later
[22:07] <hallyn> soren: well, i'm goign the simple cherry-pick route
[22:11] <fosterdv> Hey, by chance... does anyone know how to check to see which IP a SSL certificate has been made for?
[22:21] <cloakable> Examine the CN of the certificate?
[22:22] <fosterdv> I haven't tried that... I'm not too strong, when it comes to SSL... I'll try that now.
[22:23] <rcsheets> Usually SSL certificates aren't made for specific IP addresses, but rather specific hostnames.
[22:23] <cloakable> yeah
[22:25] <fosterdv> Oh.. nice. I didn't know that. Thank you guys.
[22:26] <rcsheets> fosterdv: could you explain the context of what you're trying to accomplish a bit more?
[22:28] <rcsheets> or was that really all you needed to know?
[22:30] <fosterdv> rcsheets: Yeah, I'm trying to set up a Ubuntu 10.10 server, and I'm trying to step up certificates for mytestserver.us + server.mytestserver.us, but didn't know what IP I used, for mytestserver.us
[22:31] <fosterdv> I'm trying to set up ehcp, without needing to recycle my server again.. so, I'm trying to figure out how I need to get my domain to resolve.
[22:33] <pirx> hello! does anyone by any chance run Lucid (server) on a Mac Mini? (cant get sound working)
[22:37] <rcsheets> fosterdv: probably just make sure your dns is set up correctly
[22:39] <fosterdv> rcsheets: Yeah, I'm setting up server. to resolve to the second IP on the server.
[22:54] <soren> hallyn: I don't think I understand what you mean by "a whole new commit".
[23:15] <fosterdv> rcsheets: Hey, by chance.. do you know when installing 'libapache2-mod-php5filter', would be necessary?
[23:15] <fosterdv> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick-updates/libapache2-mod-php5filter
[23:18] <linuxthefish> Can someone help me quit a frozen application?
[23:19] <fosterdv> linuxthefish: ps -ef  | grep something    then run:   sudo kill -9 PID
[23:19] <linuxthefish> i typed "php" into the terminal, and there isn't anything that tells me how to exit it!!
[23:20] <fosterdv> What's the frozen application?
[23:20] <linuxthefish> its not frozen, just not displaying anything
[23:21] <linuxthefish> and i quit it...
[23:21] <fosterdv> What exactly are you doing, and what's the error you are seeing?
[23:22] <linuxthefish> i logged onto my server locally, and was playing around with some random commands and typed "php" and then nothing somes up!
[23:23] <linuxthefish> and i can't ssh in and kill it...
[23:23] <fosterdv> Try typing php -v
[23:24] <fosterdv> when you type php
[23:24] <fosterdv> and it just takes you to that blank prompt...
[23:24] <linuxthefish> yere
[23:24] <fosterdv> Hit CTRL+C
[23:24] <linuxthefish> oh!
[23:24] <linuxthefish> thanks! :)
[23:24] <fosterdv> :D
[23:34] <hallyn> soren: see for instance https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/lucid/vm-builder/vmbuilder-tmpfs
[23:35] <hallyn> soren: as opposed to simply merging commits 34..37 from lp:ubuntu/natty/vm-builder in their entirity
[23:35] <hallyn> which'd be hard to justify sru-wise


[08:42] <cjwatson> CarlFK: 'console-setup/layoutcode=us console-setup/ask_detect=false' are redundant; you need to put late.sh in /target/tmp rather than /tmp, and 'chroot /target /tmp/late.sh'; as for gnome-control-center, hunt around in gsettings
[09:00] <ev> bdmurray: would you be able to craft something that hunts for this form of bug https://launchpadlibrarian.net/82913192/UbiquitySyslog.txt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/875465 and marks it as a duplicate of bug #876298?
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 876298 in ubiquity "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 875465 in ubiquity "installer crashed after packages updated (dup-of: 876298)" [Undecided,New]
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 876298 in ubiquity "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [High,Confirmed]
[09:15] <ev> random thought: we should have a key press at boot for "check CD for defects"
[09:15] <ev> like shift in grub
[09:34] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r5076 trunk/ (configure configure.ac): Bump ubiquity to 2.9. I expect to break all sorts of tools when we move to 3.0 ;).
[09:37] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r5077 trunk/ (tests/pyflakes.exclude ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py): Unused imports.
[10:01] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r5078 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.0
[10:20]  * ev grumbles on the build failures
[10:20] <ev> I ran the test harness, ubiquity, back off.
[10:59] <CIA-45> lowmem: cjwatson * r91 ubuntu/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.34
[11:03] <CIA-45> lowmem: cjwatson * r92 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.34ubuntu1
[11:15] <CarlFK> cjwatson: thanks
[11:40] <CarlFK> are there python bindings for gsettings?
[11:42] <cjwatson> ask the desktop people
[11:46] <CIA-45> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5079 trunk/debian/ (76 files in 2 dirs): Re-enable alpha warning for precise.
[11:52] <CIA-45> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5080 trunk/d-i/sources.list: oneiric -> precise
[14:27] <bdmurray> ev: yes, I actually wrote some bug patterns for that to stop them from coming in
[14:28] <ev> ah, nice
[14:29] <bdmurray> bug 873397
[14:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873397 in ubiquity "installing 11.10 with 3rd party software results in a crash (dup-of: 876298)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873397
[14:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 876298 in ubiquity "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298
[14:30] <bdmurray> and bug 873673 regarding distribution upgrades
[14:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873673 in flashplugin-nonfree "package flashplugin-downloader <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873673
[14:54] <CIA-45> rootskel: cjwatson * r636 ubuntu/ (7 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.98
[14:56] <CIA-45> rootskel: cjwatson * r637 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.98ubuntu1
[15:11] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r5081 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_gtkui.py):
[15:11] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Prevent ubiquity from trying to connect to DBus in the gtkui tests
[15:11] <CIA-45> ubiquity: with the most recent changes.
[16:11] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r5082 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.2
[16:11] <bdmurray> I seem to have missed some install failures due to hardware errors which I'm cleaning up now and setup a precise task for
[16:12] <ev> thanks
[16:16] <ev> ugh, I can't win. Now we have broken packages in precise
[16:17] <cjwatson> gnutls, right?
[16:17] <cjwatson> or something else?
[16:24] <cjwatson> ev: gnutls26 looks possibly implicated, at least.  trying to clean that up at the momenet
[16:24] <cjwatson> *moment
[16:24] <cjwatson> unfortunately it indirectly self-build-depends so I'm having to go through a PPA
[16:24] <ev> nice, thanks
[16:44] <bdmurray> ev: what about the ufs messages in bug 875890?
[16:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 875890 in ubiquity "OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/target/var/lock'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875890
[16:45] <ev> I suspect that's noise
[21:48] <CIA-45> cdebconf: cjwatson * r2341 ubuntu/ (117 files in 13 dirs): merge from Debian 0.157
[21:50] <CIA-45> cdebconf: cjwatson * r2342 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.157ubuntu1
[21:57] <CIA-45> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r359 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 0.79
[21:58] <CIA-45> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r360 ubuntu/src/system/subarch-arm-linux.c: remove duplication
[22:00] <CIA-45> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r361 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.79ubuntu1
[22:53] <CIA-45> ubiquity: superm1 * r5083 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py):
[22:53] <CIA-45> ubiquity: When installing oem extras, query for all packages marked to be installed
[22:53] <CIA-45> ubiquity: via plugins, not just langpacks.


[01:09] <swift110> sup
[03:42] <jone73> is there any way to get ubuntu cleaner work at kubuntu 19.10 eoan?
[04:38] <magic_ninja> what is the tiling script kubuntu sues
[04:39] <magic_ninja> I don't know what it is, but the meta key plus arrows and behavior is fantastic
[05:25] <valorie> I don't think the tiling script is specific to kubuntu, magic_ninja
[06:33] <lordievader> Good morning
 Morning
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 @Linuxophil, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848001
 @RikMills, Great! I am looking forward to 19.10!
 @Linuxophil, and Plasma 5.17 tomorrow!
 @RikMills, Oh! I didn't even know!!
 @RikMills, Do you know of by planning, Plasma 5.18 will make it into Kubuntu 20.04?
 @Linuxophil, Yes, that is the 'Plan'. It is why we lobbied KDE to make Plasma 5.18 a Plasma LTS release so it goes well with 20.04 LTS
 @RikMills, That would be perfect indeed!  Live it is middle of the night for me. Then even edited, it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long.
 @RikMills, LOL! Long indeed. I listen to it on the commute or while doing chores. 😉
 If there is something I need to hear, people ping me with a timestamp (sometimes)
 is 5.17 dropping tomorrow?
 @RikMills, They do a Europe edition once in a while. Especially when they get distro maintainers from Europe to join. Like this Weekend for the leads of Manjaro.
 @plyr0, Yes
 whoooo!
 @RikMills, Would you be interested in joining BDLL for a Kubuntu round?
 @Linuxophil, I don't do podcasts
 It seems to me that it usually is very beneficial for the maintainers and the users.
 Simon is Kubuntu Council. He can proxy maybe
 @RikMills, Maybe someone else from the Kubuntu team?
 @RikMills, Which Simon would that be?
 I have to say that I am not a part of the BDLL Team. So I am just sharing my thoughts, not making statements on their behalf.
 @Linuxophil, @tsimonq2
 @RikMills, I was in doubt because I saw this  "But fear not! For Plasma 5.17 is undergoing its last rounds of final polish and bugfixing before the release next week...." on Nate Graham's pointieststick.com this week's post
 @RikMills, Seriously? But he is the Lubuntu lead.
 @Linuxophil, There is a fair bit of cross team work. When Simon fist startred on deb packaging, it was proposing fixes to Kubuntu packaing
 @RikMills, But is he seriously still involved in Kubuntu development?
 Not as much as he was. But he stays in touch in what is going on.
 @plyr0, It will be out tomorrow
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/E37zeXO0/file_18991.tgs
 @RikMills, Maybe the benefit to Kubuntu would be bigger if someone went there who is actually involved. Use the chance for some real world feedback.
 yeah :/
 @RikMills, Oh, btw: May I suggest that you make the "minimize all" widged default instead of "show desktop" on the very right of the taskbar?
 @Linuxophil, echo?
 @RikMills, I don't understand.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/2eg4VnDp/file_18993.jpg I am trying to Install kubuntu.. I am waiting for 2 hours, help me
[18:27] <user|222222> 22000200
[18:28] <user|222222> je trouve pas kubuntu 19.10
[18:28] <user|222222> cest que ubuntu
[18:29] <mparillo> Kubuntu 19.10 n'est arrive pas
[18:31] <mparillo> Kubuntu 19.10 va arrive 2019-10-17
[18:44] <mparillo> Je pense qu'il va arriver le soir CET
[18:47] <mparillo> On peut essayer avant quil va arriver (Anglais): http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/407/builds/201049/testcases
 Messieurs dames! Il faudrait mieux vraiment parler Anglais ici!
[20:07] <magic_ninja> valorie, right, but I am on debian on my desktop and wanted to know which script it was
[20:40] <stefano> Ciao, sono nuovo di Xubuntu, vorrei qualche informazione per installare correttamente base. L'ho scaricato ma non si avvia
[20:41] <bprompt> !ubuntu-it @stefano
[21:32] <mparillo> Well, to be fair, mine was more link Franglais.
[21:32] <mparillo> s/link/like/


[18:58] <mitya57> Uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebengine-opensource-src/5.15.2+dfsg-3ubuntu1 which should fix all glibc 2.33 issues


[13:51] <dholbach> heyhey
[13:51] <netcurli> hello
[13:57] <dholbach> dpm, will you be in this session?
[13:58] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, I swapped rooms. I'll be on the "Refocus the App Developer Site" session
[13:58] <dpm> in this room
[13:58] <vibhav> o/
[13:58] <dholbach> aha
[13:58]  * vibhav waves
[14:03] <dpm> sorry for the hickup guys, my fault starting in a minute
[14:03] <DavidChen> no problem
[14:03] <popey> Please hold...
[14:03] <Mirv> vibhav: do you want to get to the hangout, or waving just otherwise? :)
[14:03] <vibhav> Mirv: Below 18 :(
[14:04] <popey> right.. should work now...
[14:04] <popey> who needs to be in the planning sdk session?
[14:05] <mpt> Rheet!
[14:06] <dpm> is the video feed working now?
[14:06] <popey> i haven't started the stream
[14:06] <popey> nobody is on it
[14:06] <popey> just me
[14:06] <dpm> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21617/appdev-1303-developer-site-gomobile/
[14:07] <popey> oops, wrong channel :D
[14:10] <mpt> So he's the guy we blame for lack of radio controls? :-)
[14:11] <Mirv> there is some messup, the tracks for appdev-1 and appdev-2 have switched
[14:16] <Mirv> ok now the topics are right, people possibly on wrong channels
[14:54]  * cwayne is excited for this session :)
[15:01] <cwayne> yep
[15:03] <__lucio__> sorry, phone not working, ill be here.
[15:04] <cwayne> i've written a bunch, plan to write more as well
[15:05] <davidcalle> Here (at work, no hangout for me)
[15:05] <cwayne> the godfather of community scopes ^^ :)
[15:06] <Mirv> he is :)
[15:07] <gusch> hi ;)
[15:07] <alecu`> Hi, I'm alecu, I work on the U1 music store scope.
[15:08] <pedronis> hi, Samuele, working on smartscopes on the server (u1-di)
[15:08] <selena2013> hello greetings from Miami thanks for all the work we appreciate it
[15:12] <davidcalle> Regarding ports to the new API, I'd like to point out all the tools we have in the trunk of lp:ubuntu-scopes that make it very easy
[15:12] <cwayne> does the fact that the 13.04 api hasn't changed mean that these scopes aren't going to be installed by default anymore?
[15:13] <davidcalle> cwayne: unless we plan to port them back, they won't
[15:14] <cwayne> are those going to be ported to a quickly template?
[15:14] <davidcalle> Yes, the search and parsing methods from existing scopes can be basically imported as is in a new scope template (for Python)
[15:15] <davidcalle> cwayne: that would be nice, but I don't have enough experience with it myself
[15:15]  * cwayne volunteers to port to quickly
[15:16] <davidcalle> cwayne: :)
[15:18] <davidcalle> Basically, there is a scope-init script that allows to run $ scope-init <scope name> , which generates a full template, including a small test framework
[15:19] <cwayne> aren't some written in vala as well?
[15:19] <kamal> davidcalle: does scope-init relate only to the new/future API, or is it useful with the current/13.04 API also?
[15:19] <davidcalle> kamal: only the future API
[15:20] <kamal> davidcalle: thanks
[15:22] <Saviq> dpm, cwayne asked about vala?
[15:24] <cwayne> ack, thanks
[15:24] <alecu`> QUESTION: even python for scopes for the phone?
[15:26] <davidcalle> dpm: regarding the new API, there is a tutorial being done as we speak (which completion depends on the state of the API)
[15:26] <thostr_> alecu`: in best case we'd like to get rid of any python on phone
[15:27] <alecu`> ack, thanks.
[15:27] <kenvandine> i don't think we want different code bases for scopes on the phone vs. desktop
[15:29] <robru> who is speaking right now?
[15:29] <robru> (missed introductions)
[15:29] <pedronis> of course the picture is complicated, because the trade-offs are different for local local scopes, and scopes that can be run on the server
[15:30] <robru> thanks
[15:33] <alecu`> For scopes that run locally (desktop or phone), my suggestion would be to use QtNetwork to do the network calls, since that way proxy access would be transparent.
[15:34] <alecu`> That can be used from both python and C++ scopes, don't know the story about go.
[15:34] <thostr_> alecu`: well, scopes should not know anything about networking
[15:35] <__lucio__> most scopes will ask a remote service for info to present
[15:38]  * cwayne will take a work item to port the scope creation tool to quickly
[15:39] <verterok> alecu`: ATM scopes do their own networking, like plain-old urlopen(...). You have a point regarding proxy support, maybe the libunity API must provide some kind of helpers to support proxies?
[15:39] <davidcalle> Sure
[15:41] <fugue88> It makes sense for scopes to work through a networking library, especially for mobile devices where networking is often managed differently for power reasons.
[15:41] <robru> verterok, davidcalle fugue88 : if you use libsoup, you get GNOME proxy support for free, and this library is accessible in python through GI
[15:42] <fugue88> Platform API, ah yes, that would be nice.
[15:42] <alecu`> robru: my guess is that we want to get rid of gnome for the phone, so the suggestion to use qtnetwork is moving forwards
[15:43] <robru> fair
[15:43] <alecu`> and go's support of proxy types is nowhere near the level of qtnetwork or libsoup
[15:44] <ayr_ton> The new api working progress is needing some help to fix bugs? How to colaborate with code?
[15:44] <alecu`> thanks all, bye!
[15:44] <davidcalle> Thanks all
[15:44] <dpm> thanks everyone!
[15:44] <fugue88> o/
[16:00] <popey> o/
[16:02] <robin-gloster_> could you add lower third everyone please :)
[16:02] <popey_> can do in 5 mins
[16:20] <BigWhale> Are we going to end up with many different applications for all the social services? I know about the problems with aggregation, I worked on Gwibber. But still... :)
[16:21] <popey_> kenvandine: can you add me on that meeting - I have the list of individuals if you need it
[16:22] <dpm> popey, added you to the work item :)
[16:22] <popey> ta
[16:22] <popey> just spammmed kenvandine with the names and addresses
[16:22] <dpm> hi fmunozs
[16:23] <BigWhale> The idea about aggregating messages from different services is a great idea. We've been doing this from the beginning.
[16:23] <fmunozs> hello, sorry for being late
[16:23] <popey> he has them
[16:23] <robru> hi fmunozs
[16:23] <willcooke> we have the aggregated messaging menu which is great for 1 to 1 type messages, we need a specific app for each service so that you can browse around
[16:24] <robin-gloster_> do contributors to a core app have to sign the contributor agreement if they do small fixes? because i did 2 little patches which are integrated into the calculator
[16:25] <willcooke> robru: so 1:1 messages, DMs, SMS, Facebook messaging messages, things from one or more person to YOU work very well in the messaging menu.
[16:26] <willcooke> but if I want to just look at "stuff" in FB, or a general Twitter feed, then an app is a better fit
[16:26] <BigWhale> Or one application that can handle all those services and have different 'views'? Like Ken mentioned? I think it would be a good idea to keep everything under the same roof.
[16:26] <willcooke> e.g. I wouldn't want my *entire* twitter feed in the messaging menu
[16:26] <willcooke> kenvandine: +1
[16:26] <willcooke> kenvandine: thanks!
[16:26] <willcooke> kenvandine: you are wise
[16:27] <BigWhale> he also has beard!
[16:27] <willcooke> a wise wise beard
[16:27] <vrruiz> On the iPhone only notifications are shown on the "messaging menu"
[16:27] <vrruiz> RTs, mentions, direct messages
[16:28] <robin-gloster_> dpm should i add you as  Canonical Project Manager or contact in the agreement?
[16:29] <dpm> robin-gloster_, Alan Pope
[16:29] <BigWhale> More technical question... did anyone solve the problems with search on twitter? The problems with different ID's for users in the search feed and in the regular twitter feed.
[16:30] <BigWhale> User IDs that search returns for users are different from the user IDs in the normal feed. I had tons of problems mapping those.
[16:31] <BigWhale> so if you wanted to follow someone from the search feed, you ended up following a completely different user ... It was bizarre.
[16:31] <fmunozs> I'm not sure if this was already mentioned today, but on yesterday meeting somebody asked about the 100k user tokens limit for applications  that attempt to replicate Twitter's core user experience https://dev.twitter.com/terms/api-terms
[16:32] <fmunozs> yes, if this has already been talked with the Twitter team to ask for permissions ? or it just doesnt apply
[16:32] <ssweeny> i think the question is more about whether Friends will get booted from twitter for violating the TOS
[16:33] <BigWhale> Yeah, twitter made a hard limit on how many instances of an application can access API
[16:33] <BigWhale> this _really_ needs to be addressed and looked into. :)
[16:34] <robin-gloster_> could it be that's mainly meant for online services?
[16:36] <vrruiz> lol
[16:37] <willcooke> down boy
[16:37] <kenvandine> damn.... someone rang the doorbell
[16:37] <kenvandine> and the dog hates that...
[16:40] <vrruiz> Already dark in Finland?
[16:41] <vrruiz> Do you plan a QML API for "sharing" contents?
[16:41] <vrruiz> Like a popup menu showing "Facebook, Google+, Twitter" other apps can use
[16:42] <vrruiz> You rock!
[16:42] <willcooke> \o/
[16:43] <robin-gloster_> is something like web/android intents planned?
[16:43]  * vrruiz actually taking a look to it... cool!
[16:45] <willcooke> yeah
[16:45] <willcooke> web intents are cool
[16:45] <willcooke> we should look at it
[16:45] <willcooke> but not #1 priority right now
[16:46] <robin-gloster_> it's kind of that an app can say in provides an interface and other apps can call it with their information
[16:46] <willcooke> let's revisit in a few months, once we've got destop web apps support nailed in the phone browser
[16:47] <robin-gloster_> e.g. photo app wants to share photos and other apps can register photo sharing like facebook, mms etc.
[16:47] <robin-gloster_> willcooke: could be relevant to app-to-app communication
[16:48] <willcooke> we don't do it right now
[16:48] <willcooke> but we should certainly look in to it
[16:49] <popey> 20:00 UTC is the time of the next 30 min twitter meeting
[16:50] <popey> will be in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[16:51] <popey_> no friday
[16:51] <popey_> sorry, you said "end of the week", i followed on from that :)
[16:51] <popey_> great!
[16:52] <robin-gloster_> short elaboration on android's intents: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6578051/what-is-intent-in-android could be useful to keep that in mind
[16:52] <popey_> laaag :)
[16:53] <willcooke> cya
[16:53] <BigWhale> Great session.
[16:53] <fmunozs> thans
[16:53] <fmunozs> thanks*!
[16:53] <vrruiz> bye!
[16:53] <robru> thanks everybody ;-)
[16:54] <fmunozs> popey, hello, will the friends people be in the meeting tomorrow?
[16:54] <fmunozs> friday*
[16:54] <robru> fmunozs, I should be.
[16:54] <popey> great.
[16:54] <popey> thanks robru / kenvandine
[16:55] <fmunozs> thanks, I have noted that gatox/diego has some doubts about using the Friends backend and wanted to use his own c++ code to interact with twitter, i think we should really decide that now :)
[16:56] <robru> fmunozs, I'm not sure why they would not want to use friends... all the work is already done! and it's already in the phone anyway! so I don't see why anybody would want to duplicate the effort.
[16:57] <robru> fmunozs, if there are any architectural issues with friends, we are happy to adapt to accomodate your needs. I've been working on this for the last 6 months and like I've said a couple times, it's 90% done
[16:57] <popey> robru: what's your email address.. i can invite you to the meeting..
[16:57] <robru> popey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:57] <popey> ta
[16:57] <robru> yw
[17:00] <fmunozs> robru, yea I totally get the point, makes no sense to redo everything and the framework is there for a reason, I just want to have it clear and start developing
[17:43] <codealot> got caught up in some traffic
[17:43] <codealot> How were the sessions today?
[17:50] <dpm> codealot, good :) you should check out the twitter app one
[17:51] <codealot> thanks dpm let me have a look at it
[18:16] <zebaszp> the video is up!
[18:16] <zebaszp> hi there! :D
[18:18] <zebaszp> dpm yay! :D
[18:18] <zebaszp> also, you should type "QUESTION:"
[18:19] <bzoltan> dpm: I would join :)
[18:20] <dpm> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21615/appdev-1303-app-development-community-growth/
[18:20] <dmj_nova> I'd be happy to join
[18:23] <zebaszp> awkward silence...
[18:23] <rrnwexec> QUESTION: How large do we think the App Dev community is currently? Is it measured/measurable?
[18:25] <rrnwexec> QUESTION: Would we consider  a "registration" for App developers? That way we can gain a sense of how many are in the pipeline, who's doing what, and where we need to focus?
[18:26] <zebaszp> could you please mute your mics when you're not talking? there's a lot of echo
[18:30] <codealot> I'm based in Kenya, Africa and we have a large presence of developers and also adoption is great but less exposure on how to contribute or rather finding it much easier to contribute to android
[18:30] <rrnwexec> ok. i'll join
[18:30] <codealot> so how to address this?
[18:30] <Atlantic778> QUESTION: Can blueprints on launchpad help with mockups and ideas for deciding which apps are the most atractive and needed for users?
[18:34] <codealot> can we start off with some Ubuntu awareness campaign? but my first question prior to that would be "Why Ubuntu (for a developer)"?
[18:38] <codealot> I'm thinking of, if we simplify ways of interaction and present much more documentation it can be a step forward
[18:40] <codealot> I agree with David on that :)
[18:43] <Mirv> sorry I'm listening to the xubuntu talk, but just added the mer/maemo/nemo/sailfish to meego since it's all part of the same evolution
[18:43] <Mirv> community wise, not technically
[18:47] <codealot> great idea
[18:50] <dpm-desktop> thanks Mirv!
[18:53] <codealot> also with regards to the local community dev, any show of support from Ubuntu/Canonical itself would pull a crowd and awareness and exposure begins. I talking with much regards to devs based in Africa
[18:56] <Mirv> codealot: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamKnowledgeBase should be updated to somehow consider the whole culture shift towards mobility, applications etc with regard to LoCo (just an idea to throw)
[18:57] <Mirv> like starting to thinki what kind of LoCo resources could be shared between LoCos
[18:57] <codealot> Mirv: I agree on that. Let have in mind that some resources we may want to utilise might not be present all over
[19:00] <zebaszp> what about the UAK?
[19:01] <codealot> gnite to you all
[19:01] <dpm> good night, thanks everyone!
[23:07] <lkolko19> hey
[23:32] <z3r0coo1> APP cool