[10:11] <seb128> cjwatson: I confirm that yesterday's daily CD fix the windows vista detection issue I had the day before
[10:29] <cjwatson> seb128: great!
[01:13] <xivulon> hmm "fallocate() is a new system call which will allow applications to preallocate space to any file(s) in a file system."
[01:13] <xivulon> that should allow to create images quickly
[02:04] <xivulon> I finally have a wubi build that might even work! If someone has a spare windows partition that can be wasted give it a go!
[02:04] <xivulon> http://wubi-installer.org/devel/minefields/Ubuntu-7.10-alpha.exe
[03:15] <cjwatson> seb128: could you remind me exactly what your language pack problem was the other day? Unfortunately my home client wasn't joined so I've lost the logs
[03:32] <evand> xivulon: I will when things settle down a lot
[03:33] <xivulon> I had a couple of reports of hangs while copying files
[03:33] <xivulon> Any idea what could it be? One reason might be that the images are not preallocated, but that should result in a slowdown and be progressive.
[03:34] <xivulon> It works fine for me using a daily image of a couple of days ago'
[03:35] <xivulon> evand, quick question: at the moment, upon reboot, there is a usplash message to pull out the CD and press enter. Where is the code responsbile for it (am on windows now)?
[03:35] <cjwatson> evand: do you have logs of our conversation with seb128 about language packs yesterday?
[03:35] <cjwatson> xivulon: /etc/init.d/casper
[03:35] <evand> yes, sorry
[03:35] <evand> one second
[03:35] <xivulon> cjwatson thanks
[03:37] <evand> cjwatson: http://evalicious.com/ubuntu-installer.log
[03:38] <cjwatson> wow, back to December
[03:38] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2339 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.6.6
[03:39] <cjwatson> hmm, right, so seb128 is getting a hang
[03:39] <evand> I tend to be somewhat of a pack rat
[03:39] <cjwatson> haven't managed to reproduce that
[03:39] <cjwatson> disk space is less expensive than trying to reconstitute old stuff you didn't mean to delete
[03:39] <evand> haha, indeed
[03:40] <evand> did you try kubuntu?  I believe slangsek had a hang using kde_ui.
[03:40] <evand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/145012
[03:40] <xivulon> I normally leech off fabbione logs (http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/), guess have another link...
[03:41] <cjwatson> evand: I suspect it's more dependent on local network setup than frontend
[03:42] <evand> ah, indeed
[03:42] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2340 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/usersetup.py):
[03:42] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Back out recent test for the user existing in the m-a debconf
[03:42] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  section. It isn't necessary and it breaks the installer when m-a is
[03:42] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  used (LP: #151243).
[03:42] <cjwatson> xivulon: oh, yes, I did check and for some reason thought Fabio's log bot wasn't in here even though it blatantly is
[03:42] <evand> that very much confused me, as I knew there wasn't any difference in that code path between kde and gtk
[03:42] <evand> it's exited a few times
[03:42] <cjwatson> evand: hmm, maybe I should try French after all
[03:42] <cjwatson> evand: it'll be different live seeds between Ubuntu and Kubuntu, I bet
[03:43] <evand> hrm
[03:43] <evand> so to explain the above bug
[03:43] <cjwatson> oh, I see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/145012/comments/8, interesting
[03:43] <xivulon> Can I bring back the attention to the reports above about freezes during file copying, I am not sure they are wubi specific.
[03:43] <xivulon> I can ask the chap who reported them to run some tests
[03:44] <evand> I was looking at this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9527551/debug , and for some reason that now escapes me, in my head I was treating the setting of questions that were not registered as errors.
[03:44] <cjwatson> evand: SET would be, but .preseed() registers it if it isn't there
[03:45] <evand> ah, indeed
[03:45] <evand> somehow I did not trigger this in my testing
[03:45] <evand> it only happens when you are going to import something or when partitions isn't empty somehow.
[03:46] <xivulon> evand at what stage are lang pack retrieved? The hang reported are at 31% and 44%
[03:46] <evand> I'm going to stress test ubiquity, specifically m-a, now, unless you want help tracking down the langpack issue.
[03:46] <evand> though I imagine I'll be much more useful in the former as the latter has confused me for quite some time now
[03:49] <evand> terribly sorry about screwing up the release twice in a row.  My commits should have occurred days earlier than they did.
[03:50] <cjwatson> xivulon: way later than that
[03:50] <cjwatson> xivulon: hangs at your stage can really only be filesystem breakage
[03:50] <xivulon> cjwatson, that is what I suspected...
[03:55] <cjwatson> evand: langpacks> I'm beginning to understand it, but it sure isn't easy
[03:56] <cjwatson> part of the problem is that if it can't download updated package lists from the network then what it has in /var/lib/apt/lists/ is archive.ubuntu.com_*, which may not be right
[03:56] <cjwatson> but I don't think we can do much about that for gutsy
[03:57] <cjwatson> I'm really just trying to figure out how not to regress bug 131294 in the process
[04:00] <evand> indeed, this would be a bug in apt_pkg, no?  Perhaps mvo would be helpful?
[04:01] <cjwatson> no
[04:01] <cjwatson> apt_pkg is just doing what it's told :)
[04:02] <cjwatson> archive.ubuntu.com_* is there because that's what's copied over from the live filesystem
[04:02] <evand> ah
[04:04] <cjwatson> I think it's an apt-setup bug
[04:17] <evand> heh
[04:33] <seb128> cjwatson: re
[04:34] <seb128> cjwatson: do you still need some informations?
[04:34] <seb128> cjwatson: basically french install without activate network = hang at 87% on language pack download and no way to cancel
[04:40] <cjwatson> seb128: I assume this is Ubuntu?
[04:40] <cjwatson> (not Kubuntu)
[04:48] <seb128> cjwatson: yes
[04:48] <seb128> cjwatson: that's yesterday daily ubuntu desktop cd
[04:51] <seb128> cjwatson: did you try a non english install on a computer without connected network? what happens then for you?
[04:51] <cjwatson> seb128: it varies by language and exact circumstance
[04:51] <cjwatson> of course, I did try that
[04:51] <cjwatson> I got error messages, but a completed install
[04:52] <cjwatson> however French is not the same as Catalan (which I tried) because the French language pack is on the live filesystem
[04:52] <cjwatson> there are more variables here than just "non-English" ;-)
[04:53] <cjwatson> I'm trying French now; I had initially forgotten to disconnect the network but have done so partway through the install
[04:53] <seb128> ok
[04:53] <cjwatson> I suspect disconnecting the network device in vmware is not quite the same as pulling out the network cable, though
[04:55] <seb128> probably not
[05:07] <cjwatson> seb128: here, I get an error message "Une erreur est survenue lors de l'installation des paquets"
[05:08] <cjwatson> seb128: the main progress bar is at 87%
[05:08] <seb128> hum
[05:09] <seb128> I don't get the error here, but I've only tried on real configurations (my laptop and a desktop, both have the issue), maybe vmware is different as you said
[05:09] <evand> cjwatson: do you want me to wait for possible changes regarding the langpack issue, or am I safe to release a new ubiquity now?
[05:09] <evand> pitti is asking for it
[05:09] <cjwatson> evand: I think we should wait
[05:09] <seb128> the error means "an error happened during the packages installation"
[05:09] <cjwatson> seb128: in this case apt is immediately failing with a resolver error
[05:09] <cjwatson> seb128: oh, yeah, I recognise the error, it's a ubiquity template ;)
[05:10] <seb128> :)
[05:10] <cjwatson> seb128: in your case I bet the resolver is just sitting there timing out instead
[05:10] <seb128> well, it doesn't even time out
[05:10] <seb128> or it takes over an hour for that
[05:10] <seb128> I let the computer running for quite some time yesterday
[05:11] <cjwatson> would be interesting to know what processes are running
[05:11] <cjwatson> although, it's python-apt
[05:11] <cjwatson> so it might not be all that informative
[05:11] <seb128> I'm about to start a new install
[05:11] <cjwatson> but if something like /usr/lib/apt/methods/http is sitting there, that would be useful info
[05:11] <seb128> let me know if I should run ubiquity with some debug options from a command line or something
[05:12] <cjwatson> I don't think that will help much in this case, but switching to a terminal and seeing what it's doing would be useful
[05:12] <cjwatson> with strace if necessary
[05:12] <cjwatson> my current working hypothesis is that it is trying to talk to the network
[05:13] <seb128> bah
[05:14] <seb128> today's ubiquity is crashing on my desktop
[05:14] <seb128> let try on my laptop
[05:14] <seb128> looks like the migration assistant bug pitti pointed this morning
[05:15] <seb128> weird that it tries to run it where I asked to format the current Ubuntu install partition
[05:15] <cjwatson> seb128: try 'ubiquity --no-migration-assistant', should work around that
[05:15] <cjwatson> it's fixed in bzr
[05:22] <cjwatson> seb128: somebody else claims there's a D-state /usr/lib/apt/methods/http process; is it the same for you?
[05:23] <seb128> cjwatson: installation in progress, I'll tell you that to a few minutes
[05:23] <cjwatson> thanks
[05:29] <cjwatson> evand: so was bug 135149 really fixed elsewhere already?
[05:29] <cjwatson> since you backed out the ubiquity change that was originally part of that fix
[05:30] <evand>  * 135149 - failed to unmount migrationassistant: In some cases the user
[05:30] <evand> would be presented with a dialog saying that a partition couldn't be
[05:30] <evand> unmounted and asked them to manually take care of it before the install
[05:30] <evand> continued.  In most cases, the install would continue without issue if
[05:30] <evand> the user just pressed continue.  While I believe I've fixed all the
[05:30] <evand> cases where m-a would cause the installer to crash, I think this bug is
[05:30] <evand> caused by ntfs-3g reporting the partition as busy when it was just
[05:30] <evand> waiting on a write to finish.  NTFS is used in all the cases where it
[05:31] <evand> bug occurs.  This may be fixed by the newer version of ntfs-3g on the
[05:31] <evand> most recent CDs as I have not seen the issue in my limited testing of
[05:31] <evand> these CD images.
[05:31] <evand> wow, whoops
[05:31] <evand> I had hoped that would paste better
[05:31] <evand> the short version, I *think* it's fixed, but at worst it's an extra dialog they have to click through.
[05:32] <evand> a bigger problem is that after seb128's comment above, I discovered that m-a chooses to use a partition and its users despite them not being selected.
[05:32] <evand> I'm trying to fix it now, but if I can't by the time you're done with the langpack issue, perhaps we should make --no-migration-assistant the default.
[05:33] <seb128> cjwatson: nothing matching "apt" in the ps list
[05:33] <cjwatson> seb128: 'ps axf'; anything below /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py?
[05:34] <cjwatson> evand: that would be pretty unfortunate, as the marketing people are rather keen on the migration assistanmt
[05:34] <seb128> install.py is stucked in a read
[05:34] <cjwatson> -m
[05:34] <seb128> no
[05:34] <cjwatson> seb128: can you tell what that file descriptor is attached to?
[05:34] <seb128> 0
[05:34] <cjwatson> it's fd 0?
[05:35] <cjwatson> odd
[05:35] <evand> oh wait
[05:35] <evand> I may be wrong
[05:36] <seb128> it's blocked on "read(0, "
[05:37] <seb128> (strace install.py)
[05:37] <cjwatson> seb128: is there just one install.py process, or more than one?
[05:38] <seb128> the is a log-ouput -t ubiquity ....
[05:38] <cjwatson> not that
[05:38] <seb128> \_ /usr/bin/python ... install.py
[05:38] <seb128> that's all
[05:38] <cjwatson> mind you - what's the full argument list of log-output?
[05:39] <seb128> -t ubiquity --pass-stdout /us/share/ubiquity/install.py
[05:39] <cjwatson> ok, that's expected
[05:40] <cjwatson> seb128: do you think you could try this again, applying a small patch by hand first?
[05:41] <seb128> sure
[05:41] <cjwatson> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/756/ applied to /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py before starting the installer
[05:41] <cjwatson> my suspicion is that the fetchprogress and installprogress objects are racing with the rest of the installer to read from debconf; and furthermore we don't really need to display IO errors anyway
[05:42] <cjwatson> I might make it only do that for language packs
[05:43] <cjwatson> or I might not :)
[05:45] <evand> ok, so migration-assistant/partitions ends up always being set to something, which is why seb128 ran into that block of code despite not selecting any users to use.  However, because no users are selected, they do not get fed into debconf, which means that nothing will get imported.
[05:46] <evand> cjwatson: I can quickly write a patch to check if there are any users that are going to be imported and set migration-assistant/partitions to '' if not, if you think it's worth it to kill m-a ealier on in such cases
[05:47] <cjwatson> if you think that's the safest approach, it sounds reasonable
[05:49] <seb128> cjwatson: installation in progress I'll tell how it works in a few minutes
[05:50] <evand> ok
[06:00] <seb128> cjwatson: your patch fixes the bug
[06:00] <seb128> cjwatson: it passed on the language pack download without error nor blocking
[06:01] <seb128> installation successful
[06:01] <seb128> cjwatson: you rock ;)
[06:02] <cjwatson> thanks ;)
[06:03] <cjwatson> let me try to squeeze in this usplash fix too, and then I think we'll be golden
[06:04] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2341 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[06:04] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Ignore IOError exceptions while fetching packages; they happen when the
[06:04] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  network is disconnected, and aren't important enough to result in scary
[06:04] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  error messages or even hangs (LP: #145012).
[06:05] <cjwatson> vmware is rather caning my laptop so I may still be a little while
[07:29] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-installer) superm1: no, but it scares me far too much to apply pre-RC
[07:30] (superm1/#ubuntu-installer) understandable :)
[07:30] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-installer) superm1: it may well be correct, but I need more time to test it so it needs to be post-RC I think
[07:30] (superm1/#ubuntu-installer) yeah i'm going to do some tests myself with it right now.
[07:30] (superm1/#ubuntu-installer) if it works as expected, i'll do the mythbuntu rc with it in
[07:30] (superm1/#ubuntu-installer) just building ubiquity on the ppa
[07:30] <cjwatson> ok
[07:31] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2343 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): * Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.21ubuntu4.
[07:35] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2344 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.6.6
[08:19] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2345 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs): adjust diversions for mythbuntu frontend
[08:22] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2170 mythbuntu-ubiquity/ (11 files in 7 dirs): merge with trunk
[08:23] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2171 mythbuntu-ubiquity/scripts/install.py: apply mvo's patch to resolve hang ups with cdrom method
[08:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2172 mythbuntu-ubiquity/debian/changelog: release 1.6.6+mythbuntu1
[09:17] <heno> bug 151355
[09:17] <heno> hm, no bot :)
[09:17] <heno> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/151355
[09:18] <heno> looks like we have a problem with the crypted LVM install
[09:18] <heno> evand: do you work with the d-i version as well?
[09:26] <evand> heno: not enough to diagnose that.  I wasn't responsible for any of the work going into it.
[09:26] <evand> I can try if you cannot find cjwatson, though.
[09:27] <heno> evand: ok, thanks. He'll be back in a bit and is aware of the problem
[09:29] <evand> ok
[09:29] <xivulon> is wubi-liveboot going to be on the CD? I need to hardcode the version/subversion string
[09:31] <evand> not sure, check with cjwatson
[09:35] <xivulon> it's in the daily build
[09:36] <xivulon> the subversion now points to Beta
[09:40] <xivulon> should it be Release Candidate...
[10:02] <cjwatson>     export OFFICIAL="Release Candidate"
[10:02] <cjwatson> ^- that's what we have
[10:05] <cjwatson> heno: oh, it's a seed bug
[10:05] <xivulon> cjwatson I just disabled the subversion check
[10:05] <xivulon> I'd need to change more code because of the space
[10:05] <cjwatson> xivulon: good plan
[10:05] <xivulon> I just uploaded but I'd need someone to double check with me
[10:06] <xivulon> I am going to burn the latest daily ISO and test with that
[10:06] <xivulon> That obviously require a physical CD
[10:07] <xivulon> I apologize for that it completely slipped my mind
[10:07] <cjwatson> evand: what was wrong with gobuntu, btw?
[10:09] <evand> cjwatson: it doesn't install gobuntu-desktop.  I'm slightly confused though...
[10:09] <evand> pkgsel calls tasksel with in-target but doesn't include tasksel/first when running debconf-copydb.
[10:10] <evand> How does it know to pick up the task as specified on gobuntu.seed
[10:10] <cjwatson> I don't think that's needed for explicitly preseeded items
[10:10] <cjwatson> only for those set by other bits of d-i
[10:11] <cjwatson> have a look at preseed/post-base-installer.d/05preseed
[10:11] <cjwatson> that copies in anything with an owner other than d-i
[10:11] <evand> well, cutting out the debconf progress bits and adding a -t and >/somefile to tasksel at that point only shows standard and minimal
[10:11] <evand> ah, ok
[10:11] <cjwatson> check in /target/var/cache/debconf/config.dat though
[10:12] <evand> yeah, I need to stick a sleep in there somewhere
[10:13] <evand> I should point out, if you go back into main-menu after the install finishes and run the pkgsel option again, it works
[10:13] <cjwatson> now that's odd
[10:13] <evand> tell me about it
[10:13] <evand> :/
[10:13] <cjwatson> (I'm downloading the daily, ETA 1:12
[10:13] <cjwatson> )
[10:14] <cjwatson> evand: have you tried DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer?
[10:14] <evand> negative, where would I stick that in d-i?
[10:16] <cjwatson> kernel boot parameter
[10:16] <cjwatson> evand: however - the gobuntu-desktop package isn't on the CD
[10:16] <cjwatson> I bet that can't be good
[10:16] <cjwatson> oh, gar
[10:16] <cjwatson> my fault entirely
[10:16] <cjwatson>         gobuntu)
[10:16] <cjwatson>                 # Gobuntu uses Ubuntu seeds.
[10:16] <cjwatson>                 GERMINATE_SEED_DIST="ubuntu.$DIST"
[10:16] <cjwatson>                 ;;
[10:17] <cjwatson> I should have taken that out ... (cdimage/bin/run-germinate)
[10:17] <evand> wow, you know I knew that a few days ago and completely forgot
[10:17] <evand> ugh
[10:17] <evand> the former, that is
[10:19] <cjwatson> evand: fixed on antimony - rebuild gobuntu at your leisure
[10:19] <evand> thanks a ton!
[10:19] <evand> and will do
[10:19] <cjwatson> with any luck that's enough
[10:27] <xivulon> I am going to reboot to test wubi-cdboot
[10:46] <xivulon> My wubi-cd test went well
[10:46] <xivulon> but I'd urge someone else to give it a go
[10:47] <xivulon> I'll be awake till late in case there are issues
[10:49] <evand> I'll give it a go after I'm done testing gobuntu
[10:51] <xivulon> thanks evand
[10:52] <evand> anytime
[10:52] <xivulon> will have to reboot again I guess
[10:52] <evand> heh
[10:55] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2173 mythbuntu-ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update .desktop file
[11:14] <xivulon> 1 more change for me: disable early command/success command in preseed
[11:14] <xivulon> do I need: ubiquity	ubiquity/summary	note
[11:14] <xivulon> ?
[11:14] <xivulon> for the live cd? guess not
[11:16] <evand> yes, otherwise the summary page will be shown
[11:16] <xivulon> ok
[11:17] <xivulon> that's for the standard live CD of course
[11:19] <cjwatson> not for just running the live CD though
[11:19] <cjwatson> for just running the live CD, I don't think you should preseed anything, except maybe locale/keyboard if you're doing that
[11:22] <xivulon> gonna change that
[11:22] <xivulon> one sec
[11:24] <xivulon> anything else that has to be on the preseed file?
[11:25] <xivulon> debian-installer/local
[11:25] <xivulon> console-setup/layoutcode
[11:25] <cjwatson> locale
[11:25] <cjwatson> (typo)
[11:26] <cjwatson> that's all, you shouldn't preseed anything else for plain booting
[11:26] <xivulon> sure I pasted n-1 chars
[11:26] <cjwatson> (console-setup/variantcode is fine too if you start doing that)
[11:28] <xivulon> that's in, but at the moment I only found the windows code for dvorak
[11:28] <xivulon> us
[11:31] <xivulon> up rev 327
[11:31] <xivulon> pushing now
[11:32] <xivulon> ok going to reboot again, ciao
[11:33] <xivulon> cjwatson have a look at preseed.cfg in rev 327
[11:46] <xivulon> wubi-cdboot looks good to me, but I only tested on Vista
[11:46] <xivulon> I am going to see if I can fetch XP somewhere
[11:47] <xivulon> again, pls test it out, particularly if you have XP
[11:55] <cjwatson> xivulon: looks fine to me
[11:56] <xivulon> thanks colin
[11:56] <xivulon> testing on xp now
[11:56] <xivulon> can boot...
[12:03] <evand> doesn't everyone?
[12:04] <evand> AWESOME!  It works, green usplash and all.  Thanks cjwatson!
[12:06] <cjwatson> rock on
[12:06] <xivulon> hmm wubi on xp uninstalls but does not delete registry key (hence remains in add/remove)
[12:06] <xivulon> code looks good though
[12:06] <xivulon> unless registry is case sensitive


[18:41] <ItzSwirlz> vorlon, rbasak: Now that I have free time I can do LP #1919026 - i responded to your comment vorlon


[01:12] <Joe_CoT> did you guys see this? https://plus.google.com/115250422803614415116/posts/hMT5kW8LKJk
[01:39] <InHisName> Now I see it, Joe_CoT   -- what do you want me to do, read it ?
[01:40] <Joe_CoT> if you want
[01:40] <Joe_CoT> it's Alan Cox and Linus Torvalds discussing directly with Miguel De Icaza about gnome
[01:40] <Joe_CoT> I thought it was a pretty interesting conversation
[01:41] <InHisName> Wow, missed noticing Linus Torvalds name in there.   Maybe I'll read a bit more
[01:42] <InHisName> They're not all that nice about gnome people
[01:45] <InHisName> but no 2nd or 3rd comments from him though on this topic.
[01:50] <Joe_CoT> I was just amused that both Alan Cox and Linus chimed in
[09:06] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:54] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[10:02] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[10:03] <rmg51> o/
[10:04] <rmg51> getting ready to go for a walk if the rain holds off
[13:01] <pleia2> rain--
[13:14] <waltman> (sleeping in)++
[13:15] <pleia2> so, what should I have for lunch around ft washington?
[13:15] <pleia2> haven't had time for nommy philly stuff this trip :(
[13:15] <waltman> Huh, an excellent question.
[13:17] <waltman> Ambler must have some good restaurants.
[13:17] <pleia2> ah, probably
[13:18] <waltman> I'm not all that familiar with the area, so I'll defer to others.
[13:22] <waltman> http://forestandmain.com/ Looks very promising, but they don't seem to be open on Mondays
[13:27] <rmg51> http://business.intuit.com/boorah-restaurants/best-of/27297/PA/Fort-Washington.html
[13:27] <rmg51> bunch of choices
[13:28] <pleia2> I was actually looking for a personal recommendation, I can look up lists too :)
[13:28] <pleia2> but thanks
[13:43] <jedijf> to nosh take a ride up 309 to right before montgomeryville mall - pumpernick's on right hand side
[13:43] <jedijf> check to make sure they're open today first - great jewish style restaurant
[13:45] <jedijf> if you pass if make a right-stop at adult world - grab some 'novelites' then turn right into costco entrance and then right again into the other shopping center, turn right after the steakhouse
[13:54] <InHisName> Ahhem, what's the standard app included with ubuntu that rips CDs ?
[13:56] <InHisName> pleia2: there ought to a WAWA somewhere nearby.  Izzat good enough for nom-noms ?
[14:03] <rmg51> InHisName: install Asunder
[14:31] <jedijf> now i want to go to pumpernicks.......
[14:47] <waltman> lunch at pumpernicks!
[14:47] <waltman> oh wait, I just started laundry
[14:48] <waltman> JonathanD: I see you've set the holodeck to "weather" so that pleia2 thinks she's really in Philly. Well played.
[14:57] <InHisName> rmg51: but isn't there an app already in ubuntu that rips ?
[14:57] <rmg51> try sound juicer
[14:58] <InHisName> 'k
[14:58] <rmg51> if you have to install something, go with Asunder
[15:01] <InHisName> I have DVD:rip and acidrip, but they seem to expect only DVDs.
[15:03] <InHisName> now I found sound juicer,   would not find with soundju in unity search.
[15:25] <waltman> http://pumpernicksdeli.com/holiday-hours.aspx says they're open until 2:30 today.
[15:44] <jedijf> pleia2: i just looked out office window - seek higher ground - ft wash is notorious for flooding
[15:45] <waltman> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2012/al11/al112012.discus.020.shtml
[19:02] <InHisName> I think I got a better playing version from the rip than from playing on portable cd player.
[21:53]  * pleia2 lurks in PHL airport
[21:54] <pleia2> hopefully next time I'll actually have time for visiting :)
[21:54] <pleia2> this time I barely had time for sleep!
[22:51] <InHisName> Hey pleia2, why were you here in a whirlwind on LABOR day ?  Smells like you were working or sumthin'
[22:52] <pleia2> both my fiance and I have been super busy at work, a paid 3 day weekend was really our only option:\
[22:59] <InHisName> so, pleia2 was it a PLAY weekend or working one ?
[22:59] <pleia2> we came in to handle some family stuff and wedding stuff
[23:00] <pleia2> so I'd say "work"
[23:00] <InHisName> prolly then, neither.


[05:09] <Mead> is there a guide for decyphering how ubuntu names network inferfaces?
[10:10] <kc2bez> Mead: This article explains it the best I think - https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[10:30] <Mead> kc2bez: I saw that, but I was wanting more about how the physical/geographical location names are generated.
[10:30] <Mead> also... if you have an USB network adapter... how is it named?
[10:35] <kc2bez> The way I understand it the location on the bus is how they get named, I think the same holds true for USB.
[10:36] <Mead> kc2bez, sounds not predictable between different systems
[10:39] <kc2bez> I can see instances where that could hold true. The new scheme does allow you to use the old classic style but you have to do it manually.
[16:41] <Stumbly> Hey guys, is anyone around right now? I could really do with some help.
[16:41] <Stumbly> Running a LiveUSB right now, with the hopes of making an install USB for Win7.
[16:41] <Stumbly> To do this, I usually use a utility called Unetbootin.
[16:42] <Stumbly> But for some reason, I can't seem to get the .bin file to install.
[18:28] <s2art> Hi, can someone help me with an installation problem?
 Who knows?
[18:30] <s2art> lol
[18:31] <s2art> I'm stucked in the installation process
[18:31] <teward> without details about where you're stuck, what you're seeing, etc. nobody can help you :P
[18:33] <s2art> So I have a Lenovo Ideapad 320 but with W10 is incredible slow (CPU is 2 cores 1.10Ghz), so I decide to look for a more convenient OS Lubuntu looks ideal, nice and fast.  I already disable secure boot, fast boot, and put it in legacy support, and I boot it from an USB, but in the installation it just got stucked at 80%, it just says (Starts procedure and passes 'fw_type' to other routine. I dont have a clue what´s wrong. Can please
 Have you checked the integrity of the iso and installation media?
 Well it’s the second time I try, so I redownloaded the iso this morning and burned it again  … I haven’t quite checked the USB, but I would hope that is there’s any trouble with it, the system could tell me when I burn it in the first place
[20:30] <Slimmy>  Greetings. I have a brand new sd card and adaptor. They are surely not faulty as I have tried this on 3 other adaptors with 2 different cards as well. I can't seem to get my Lubuntu to read my sd card, or detect it in any way. I do know though that port is fine since I can see it after running lsusb. How can I access it though?
[20:46] <scoofy> does anyone have success setting keyboard layout in tty? (lubuntu 16). any setting I make, seems ignored. tried editing /etc/default/keyboard, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, editing /etc/vconsole.conf, nothing does any change.


[00:22] <fta> asac, ? how do i know?
[00:52] <fta> dtchen, i can't unpause mplayer, it just shows a few more frames then stop. to force it, i have to use << or >>, looks like mplayer is confused when trying to sync A & V
[00:53] <dtchen> fta: using mplayer's pulseaudio or alsa output?
[00:53] <dtchen> also, with luke's 0.9.15-test7 or with jaunty's 0.9.14?
[00:53] <fta> ao=pulse
[00:53] <dtchen> fta: ok, and ao=alsa?
[00:54] <dtchen> i will likely ask for mplayer to ship with ao=alsa
[00:55] <fta> i used to run mplayer with ao=alsa but a few weeks ago, it became unusable
[00:55] <fta> -d
[00:57] <dtchen> hmm, but is this with 0.9.15 or 0.9.14?
[00:58] <fta> 0.9.15~test5-0ubuntu1~ppa2
[00:59] <fta> back with ao=alsa
[00:59] <dtchen> ok, but that doesn't really help me make a decision for jaunty ;(
[02:28] <thom_> Does anyone have an explanation for this: When I load a page and choose "view source" I get one version of the html, but if I view source a few seconds later an element has changed. I don't see javascript making and changes and if I use curl to fetch the page a second time I *always* get the frst version of the html
[08:07] <cosmix> hello. i'm getting consistent segfaults with firefox 3.5 on jaunty/64bit. symbolised bt shows the crash at nsLocalFile::GetNativePath(). This persists with new profiles etc. Any ideas?
[10:34] <rzr> http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/228240&art_pos=2
[11:10] <rzr> http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/228240&art_pos=2
[12:34] <fta> asac, how can i stop receiving all the firefox-3.0 bug mails? can't find how i get that
[12:39] <fta> it's particularly annoying, especially for bugs totally unrelated to ff
[13:28] <BUGabundo> guud afternoon everyone
[13:52] <fta> hi
[13:53] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[19:18] <fta> hm, hidden changesets? bad <= http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml
[19:19] <fta> no moz daily today then
[19:20] <fta> oh, no, bad rss
[19:21] <fta> [reed], http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushlog  => http://hg-slow/mozilla-central ?????
[19:23] <fta> d'oh
[19:23] <fta> dpkg-deb: building package `chromium-testsuite-dbgsym' in `../chromium-testsuite-dbgsym_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090405r13134-0ubuntu1_i386.ddeb'.
[19:23] <fta> dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip error: read(4096) != write(0): No space left on device
[20:35] <asac> fta: thats ffox 3 bug reporting ;)
[20:36] <fta> ?
[20:37] <asac> fta: you never get rid of i
[20:38] <asac> fta: i would think you subscribed to firefox-3.0 bugmail on launchpad
[20:38] <asac> you can unsubscrbe there
[20:39] <fta> can't find where
[20:39] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0
[20:39] <asac> top right corner?
[20:39] <fta> nope
[20:39] <asac> what do you see there?
[20:40] <asac> i have subscribe to bugmail there
[20:40] <asac> if you are subscribed it should be "unsubscribed"
[20:40] <fta> it shows "subscribe to bugmail"
[20:40] <asac> otherwise you probably dont get all bug mail, but just the bugs that someone subscribed mozillateam to (which is a minority)
[20:40] <fta> oh, it's a confusing wording
[20:41] <asac> fta: only other source i can see is mozilla-bugs mailing list
[20:41] <asac> but i doubt you are subscrbied there
[20:41] <BUGabundo1> hey there you are both
[20:41] <BUGabundo1> how was the trip asac?
[20:41] <asac> its really high load ;)
[20:41] <fta> i clicked on "subscribe to bugmail", there's a list of options, the 1st was checked
[20:41] <asac> BUGabundo1: good
[20:41] <asac> fta: oh yeah. then that
[20:42] <BUGabundo1> I guess fta has several teams!
[20:42] <BUGabundo1> he may already be with one (himself)
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> asac: was my last commit correct?
[20:44] <asac> not looked yet ;)
[20:44] <BUGabundo1> ehe
[20:51] <fta> at last, i fixed the chromium branch
[20:52] <fta> 20 commits to integrate gyp
[20:53] <fta> asac, as long as http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushlog will be broken, the dailies will be too
[20:53] <fta> -will
[21:02] <[reed]> fta: yeah, server issues
[21:03] <[reed]> fixed now
[21:03] <[reed]> afaik
[21:03] <fta> [reed], http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushlog still shows http://hg-slow/ everywhere
[21:20] <[reed]> mozilla bug 486966
[21:21] <fta> [reed], how long will it take to fix that?
[21:23] <[reed]> I dunno
[21:23] <[reed]> is it breaking your usability?
[21:23] <fta> s
[21:23] <fta> yes
[21:24] <fta> if there's no ETA, i will stop my bot producing the dailies
[22:12] <BUGabundo> fta is python or gwibber broken again?
[22:12] <BUGabundo>   File "setup.py", line 6, in <module>
[22:12] <BUGabundo>     from DistUtilsExtra.command import *
[22:12] <BUGabundo> ImportError: No module named DistUtilsExtra.command
[22:12] <fta> hm, not that i know
[22:13] <fta> i didn't do any upgrade today
[22:13] <BUGabundo> strange
[22:13] <fta> 222 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded.
[22:13] <fta> Need to get 364MB of archives.
[22:13] <fta> d'oh
[22:13] <BUGabundo> just tried to branch two devel bzr of gwibber to test some stuff
[22:13] <BUGabundo> and can't install it
[22:14] <BUGabundo> python2.5 (2.5.4-1ubuntu4) jaunty; urgency=low
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I got a py 2.5 update... find that as odd as I ?
[22:15] <dtchen> no, there are quite a few bugfixes in that upload
[22:16] <BUGabundo> then I have no idea why gwibber won't install from setup
[22:18] <BUGabundo> fta bye
[22:19] <fta> bye
[22:47] <asac> fta: whats the problem with the rss?
[22:47] <fta> i use it in mozclient now
[22:47] <fta> it reports bogus urls
[22:47] <fta>  http://hg-slow/mozilla-central
[22:48] <asac> oh
[22:48] <asac> just wrong host?
[22:48] <fta> yes
[22:48] <asac> or completely wrong?
[22:48] <fta> no, just the host
[22:49] <asac> yeah. so i would think waiting a few days is ok. if not, we can probably work around by replacing that host ;)
[22:51] <fta> yep
[22:51] <fta> oh, caught the gwibber freeze (error) on upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145169/
[22:53] <fta> python is worse than xul ;)
[23:02] <asac> does python load stuff lazily?
[23:02] <asac> DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.625 was not provided by any .service files
[23:02] <asac> seems to be dbus
[23:03] <asac> looks like the notification daemon went down or something
[23:03] <asac> maybe it crashed temporarily?
[23:36] <fta> damn, openoffice ignores the preferred browser :(


[07:22]  * XeBlackWater Salut
[09:06] <Noreen> hi! if anyone could help me with this problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2255082&p=13178758#post13178758 i'd be really grateful
[09:47] <raistlin_majere> Hi, does anyone know how to add a keyboard layout switcher to the lightdm-gtk-greeter? In previous versions "show-indicators=keyboard;~a11y;~power" worked, but in the new versions it doesn't...
[09:49] <raistlin_majere> Is even possible? Since the list of indicators seems to be: a11y, power, session and language (language isn't keyboard layout :))
[10:35] <Noreen> how do i copy on xterm? the centre button is paste (and only sometimes, when it feels like it)
[10:35] <Noreen> ctrl + v doesn't work, shift + ctrl + v doesn't work
[10:37] <raistlin_majere> Ok... seems that there is an ~layout indicator for lightdm-gtk-greeter (poorly documented). Anybody knows how to trim down the list of the keyboard layouts?
[10:37] <raistlin_majere> Noreen, try ctrl-shift-c for copy and for paste ctrl-insert
[10:38] <raistlin_majere> sorry, shift-insert for paste
[10:47] <Unit193> Noreen: Not using lxterminal?  And depends on which paste buffer you mean, selecting the text will copy to buffer 1, which you can paste with scroller click or shift+insert.
[12:28] <SaiBork> Hey all, anyone in that knows kvm and the networking settings for it?
[12:30] <SaiBork> I'm trying to set it up so my guest (vm) will have it's own ip address and be visible on the network as any other machine, but i still want the actual host to be available as well with it's own ip
[12:30] <SaiBork> I tried to make changes to /etc/network/interfaces but this seems to have bridged the host and made the host no longer be available
[12:31] <SaiBork> the other option i see is to NAT it, but then it wont be accessible normally
[12:32] <leszek> don't know about kvm but nat works fine in virtualbox
[12:34] <SaiBork> I have what I want in VMware now, but I wanted to use kvm as it uses less resources
[12:36] <SaiBork> And NAT puts the machine in a different network, so it wont be able to access the main network properly and visa versa
[12:41] <mdoge> SaiBork: #kvm ?
[12:41] <SaiBork> yes kvm
[12:42] <SaiBork> kernel-based virtual machine
[12:42] <mdoge> SaiBork: I mean /join #kvm ;)
[12:42] <SaiBork> ah
[12:42] <SaiBork> i run lubuntu, so just thought i'd try here first :)
[12:42] <mdoge> sure
[13:52] <psicobra> hi all
[13:52] <psicobra> any one got any experience with genymotion
[13:53] <hateball> !ask
[13:53] <psicobra> i did
[22:13] <llogiq> hi folks.
[22:15] <llogiq> Today I wanted to tune my Uke using lubuntu. So because I did not want to install Jack (as it imposes some overhead I don't want yet, I do audio recording on another system), I tried gtkguitune – and it fails with /dev/dsp - file or directory not found. Apparently it fails to obey the --device command line argument either.
[22:16] <holstein> llogiq: wowo
[22:16] <holstein> llogiq: id say, just use a tuner.. something that doesnt require JACK
[22:16] <holstein> llogiq: jack is not trivial, and will be *way* overkill for what you are doing
[22:17] <llogiq> Yep. But apart from gtkguitune I could not find any packages that do what I want without requiring JACK.
[22:17] <holstein> http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/utilities/tuner/
[22:17] <holstein> i would try something online
[22:18] <holstein> though, i would still think it *Much* easier to just get a tuner, that to use JACK
[22:18] <holstein> llogiq: i use jack *daily*, and actually play music professionally
[22:19] <llogiq> holstein, that link just crashed my firefox.
[22:19] <holstein> llogiq: sure... thats yet *another* bit of overhead.. and if you tried to run jack, you broke the audio in the background
[22:19] <holstein> !proaudio
[22:20] <holstein> using jack for tuning is going to be clunky and overkill ..you can totalyl do it
[22:20] <holstein> llogiq: you should /join #opensourcemusicians
[22:20] <llogiq> I used to play professionally. Now I'm a programmer.
[22:20] <llogiq> But I still whip out a uke, guitar or piano when the mood strikes me.
[22:31] <llogiq> Maybe I need to reboot for the kernel modules to load correctly. Brb.


[00:15] <Bashing-om> gvvg: How much memory is allocated to the VM ? And perhpas related: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2022-June/042159.html <- systemd-oomd issues on desktop .
[00:15] <gvvg> 16GB
[00:17] <gvvg> I didn't understand the link
[00:17] <gvvg> what do you suggest regarding systemd-oomd ?
[00:19] <gvvg> Failed to disable unit: Unit file systemd-oomd.service does not exist.
[00:19] <gvvg> I guess it is not enabled
[00:19] <gvvg> Bashing-om: do you have any suggestions of which log files would or anyway to find out what is causing the unresponsiveness?
[00:20] <gvvg> the ctrl-alt-del doesn't have any effect
[00:20] <Bashing-om> gvvg: see: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-OOMD-Ubuntu-RFC . in 22.04 if the system runs short of memory --- it kills apps with no warning and locks up in some cases.
[00:21] <gvvg> I tried to disable oomd but it says: "Failed to disable unit: Unit file systemd-oomd.service does not exist.
[00:23] <Bashing-om> gvvg: Might see if the boot log catches anythhing: journalctl -b -0 .
[00:24] <oerheks> journalctl -b 1
[00:25] <oerheks> but your vmware has a log too
[00:27] <gvvg> I see lots of this https://pastebin.com/M4H1ePht
[00:28] <gvvg> oerheks: I'm not sure where to look in vmware for logs
[00:28] <gvvg> oerheks: any suggestions?
[00:29] <oerheks> nope, but vmware does https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1021806
[00:30] <oerheks> also, boot in recovery mode to  obtain journalctl log
[00:30] <oerheks> is this the 1st time you boot this vm?
[00:31] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1242731/ubuntu-20-04-multipath-configuration
[00:31] <gvvg> oerheks: it has worked for years - now I upgraded and I am getting this unersponsive issue
[00:31] <gvvg> what is multipath?
[00:31] <gvvg> could this cause the issue?
[00:31] <oerheks> .. else there is a filechk going on..
[00:32] <gvvg> filechk wouldn't freeze the vm normally would it?
[01:01] <oerheks> https://snapstats.org/snaps?q=&offset=0&limit=20&field=date_published&order=-1
[01:01] <nunya> I'm at a friends house and he has a wireless printer. My lptop keeps adding it. I keep removing it and so on.... Is there some way to keep it from being added? I am running Ubuntu 20.04 and Gnome version 3.36.8  Windowing System X11
[01:03] <oerheks> https://7thzero.com/blog/how-to-stop-ubuntu-20-04-from-auto-adding-network-printers
[01:03] <oerheks> systemctl disable cups-browsed
[01:04] <oerheks> and that firewall part would stop such annoying thingies too
[01:18] <nunya> oerheks: Thanks I missed that one because I didn't get that by remote they meant wifi or network
[01:21] <nunya> oerheks: I did as suggested. No more printers added unless I want to. I put the details in my computer support files for future reference since my brain is like a sieve.
[01:23] <oerheks> nunya have fun!
[01:23] <oerheks> oh
[01:23] <Psil0Cybin> lol
[01:23] <Psil0Cybin> you miss fired oerheks :P
[01:23] <oerheks> Psil0Cybin, i use 'have fun' as marker in the logs, since 2009
[01:23] <oerheks> to count happy customers
[01:23] <Psil0Cybin> ah ;)
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> you are an interesting one
[01:24] <ravage> the other marker is "good luck" :D
[01:24] <oerheks> jups
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> :D Haha you are too awesome!
[01:24] <Psil0Cybin> lol
[02:13] <st0ne_> hi.. anyone have storage ftp
[02:14] <st0ne_> too upload stash?
[02:14] <st0ne_> or shell account cheap
[02:14] <st0ne_> for irc
[02:15] <arraybolt3[m]> st0ne_: If you need that for helping debug a problem, your best bet is probably Pastebin.com. That will let you share logs and whatnot with us so we can help debug problems. You can use imgbb or Imgur for pictures.
[02:15] <arraybolt3[m]> st0ne_: And you can use termbin.com if you need to share the output of terminal commands (we'll share with you how to use that when a troubleshooting step needs it).
[02:18] <oerheks> cheap storage is beyond the scope of this channel
[02:19] <humanBird> so remmina says that they aren't maintaining for ubuntu anymore.  I have issues with screen resolution using remmina on ubuntu to connect to a rdp wine server.  what can i do now?
[02:21] <oerheks> what is a wine server?
[02:21] <oerheks> lolz
[02:22] <oerheks> !wine
[02:22] <oerheks> they would love your issue
[02:26] <humanBird> the issue is rdp screen resolution for remmina (which comes by default in ubuntu)
[02:31] <oerheks> well, explain your issue, but my bet it is server side
[02:31] <oerheks> what is a wine server?
[02:32] <humanBird> https://hub.docker.com/r/scottyhardy/docker-wine/
[02:34] <oerheks> lolz,, no way!
[02:42] <humanBird> hrm. installed xfreerdp and that seems to have imrpoved it slightly
[02:43] <humanBird> it was the rdp client all along
[02:44] <humanBird> someone please ban oerheks for trolling/filling up the chat with useless nonsense please
[02:44] <humanBird> could be a bot as well
[02:45] <oerheks> seriously, a docker with wine
[02:45] <murmel> is there a way to circumvent the phased update issue? have a container, and I can't install some packages because of that issue (and the apt conf doesn't help)
[02:45] <oerheks> why would it be an ubuntu issue?
[02:46] <oerheks> murmel, no diskspace?
[02:46] <murmel> get this with Phased updates disabled: libsystemd-dev : Depends: libsystemd0 (= 249.11-0ubuntu3) but 249.11-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[02:47] <murmel> and enabling doesn't also help :
[02:47] <murmel> :/
[02:47] <oerheks> still that oibaf ppa enabled?
[02:47] <murmel> never had as it's a new container
[02:47] <oerheks> iirc
[02:48] <murmel> hm, maybe it's relevant that's a nspawn with a cloud image (-root.tar.xz)
[02:52] <murmel> oerheks: oO what does a phased update have to do with a mesa ppa?
[02:57] <realivanjx> is anyone here that use lenovo laptops with dual batteries (v330)? does that work with ubuntu 22.04? any modifications required? thanks
[06:50] <tanul1989> Hello, I have an application written in golang and it is not able to resolve the hostname.local. Can we we do something so that any application can resolve this
[06:50] <tanul1989> ping is working fine..
[06:50] <tanul1989> My ip is not static otherwise I would have use /etc/host file to resolve it for the golang application
[06:52] <tanul1989> By any chance can resolve.conf help here or any other network file.
[07:15] <BadAtom> tanul1989: don't you have the loopback set up?
[07:19] <tanul1989> Loopback setup.. Means
[07:21] <tanul1989> Yesterday I have installed avahi.. through pings and connectivity starts working.. I found on google that golang has native resolver which does not support mDNS. Issue is coming due to this..
[07:25] <Guest19> hello
[07:27] <matsaman> hi
[08:52] <giulia> hi
[08:52] <luna> hi
[08:55] <wezzzzzz> hi
[10:31] <ice9> if I set a var in "APT::Update::Pre-Invoke", will it be visible to "APT::Update::Post-Invoke"?
[11:20] <fullstack> Hello is rsync better backup tool or there is better one?
[11:43] <opa7331> @fullstack depends on your task, but rsync works great in combination with adb https://github.com/google/adb-sync
[12:00] <wezzzzzz> opa7331: This is IRC, not discord.
[12:03] <KBar> mostafa: ^^
[12:08] <mostafa> opa7331: Thanks Man.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <floogy> I currently upgraded from 20.04 LTS to 22.04 LTS. It seemed everything went fine, but today i notioced, youtube videos in firefox doesn't have sound.
[12:34] <KBar> floogy: upgrade as in installed from the ISO?
[12:35] <floogy> KBar, no do-release-upgrade -d
[12:35] <mjt> not the answer you want to hear, but i'd backup my homedir and do a clean install, tbh
[12:36] <tomreyn> try it with a new firefox profile first of all
[12:36] <tomreyn> run the snap from a terminal to see more output
[12:37] <tomreyn> see whats appended to the systemd journal as you start firefox and as you try to play a video
[12:37] <floogy> KBar, but solved! Yesterday I had to control an rsj45 ethernet cable, and somehow that lead to a interrupted chinch connection. So the issue was physical. I tried it before, but that disn't changed the connection. I had to plug out and in again to notice the ad connection.
[12:37] <floogy> bad
[12:38] <KBar> yeah.. always check hardware first
[12:38] <floogy> I'm sorry for the nose. Thank you!
[12:39] <tomreyn> i hope you did not punch kbar in the face because of it.
[12:39] <KBar> no problem. have a good weekend
[12:40] <floogy> I did, but not correctly. And then I saw the peak bar in system sound configuration and speaker test. So it had output, biut only with optical reference. So i test the cable again.
[12:41] <floogy> s/nose/noise/ I'm currently not able to type ...
[12:41] <KBar> hehe
[12:56] <gvvg> Hi - I have a vmware 6.7 esxi where 1 vm (ubuntu 22.04) becomes unresponsive after approx 20 minutes consistently - this vm has been stable for years, I just did an release upgrade - not sure how to find out what is causing the issue - any suggestions?
[12:58] <gvvg>  06/26/2022, 3:48:36 AM Alarm 'Virtual machine CPU usage' on irf.dexco.com
[12:58] <gvvg> changed from Green to Red
[12:59] <tomreyn> did you already check the "supported OS" table for your version of esxi? this is what you shouldprobably be doing first.
[12:59] <tomreyn> (pre upgrade)
[13:00] <mostafa> Hello Guys ..what is /proc/ directory?
[13:00] <tomreyn> !hier | mostafa
[13:00] <luna__> https://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/proc.html
[13:03] <mostafa> ubottu: Thanks
[13:05] <tomreyn> gvvg: if you'll find that it's compatible, you may want to inspect the systemd journal of the guest system at the time it became unresponsive; journalctl -eb -1
[13:09] <gvvg> I notice  ModemManager[918]: <info>  [sleep-monitor] system is about to suspend
[13:09] <KBar> mostafa: it's a pseudo filesystem, basically lets you "probe" the kernel for various types of information (processes, file descriptors, mount points, etc). for general linux questions, join #linux
[13:09] <gvvg> NetworkManager[853]: <info>  [1656244263.3715] manager: NetworkManager state is now ASLEEP
[13:09] <luna__> gvvg: #nm ?
[13:09] <KBar> gvvg: use a pastebin, don't paste everything here
[13:10] <gvvg> KBar: sorry
[13:10] <gvvg> https://pastebin.com/3t3NWPwA
[13:10] <KBar> gvvg: you'll get autobanned by the bot. it doesn't know feelings :)
[13:11] <gvvg> KBar: I understand :)
[13:11] <gvvg> https://pastebin.com/3t3NWPwA
[13:12] <gvvg> https://pastebin.pl/view/7d7500f8
[13:17] <gvvg> tomreyn: yes the version of esxi (6.7) does support ubuntu lastest LTS
[13:41] <lzer> hello, can anyone help me solve an issue i have been having? if not which server do you think can help me solve an issue
[13:41] <gvvg> is there anyway to disable power saving or configure for always high performance?
[13:41] <luna__> ask
[13:43] <lzer> For some reason i am an issue with the graphics driver, while i program OpenGL using the nvidia drivers, the window lags while dragging the window. If on the other hand i use the open source drivers, it works fine, i will lose performance in other areas such as gaming
[13:43] <lzer> i have tried multiple drivers but still no luck
[13:44] <KBar> lzer what version of ubuntu? what flavor? hardware info?
[13:44] <lzer> i am very much to linux in general and really enjoy using it, kind of want to keep on using it for things like this
[13:44] <lzer> new*
[13:45] <KBar> gvvg nvidia optimus?
[13:45] <KBar> if you are using one of their cards that is
[13:45] <lzer> as of this momment i tried installing a different distro, Pop, but i the same issue is still occuring
[13:46] <lzer> i used to use Ubuntu LTS 20.04
[13:46] <lzer> I am using a gtx 1650 Palit card
[13:46] <gvvg> KBar: no it's a VM I just want it to be in high performance mode - I should never have installed the desktop version - should have been server version ...
[13:47] <TheAppleNerd> I'm using an Intel NUC i5-8000 series with Ubuntu server
[13:47] <TheAppleNerd> And a linode VPS 🤘
[13:48] <KBar> lzer: im confused. is it PopOs now?
[13:48] <lzer> KBar: as of this moment yes
[13:49] <KBar> gvvg: that entirely depends on your virtualization method
[13:49] <luna__> #popos
[13:49] <KBar> lzer: this chat is for Ubuntu support
[13:49] <KBar> join ^ that channel
[13:49] <mybalzitch> once you pop
[13:49] <lzer> oh woops sorry
[13:49] <gvvg> KBar: esxi 6.7
[13:50] <KBar> gvvg: have you tried reading its manual?
[13:50] <gvvg> I'll do that now - I thought someone might know - thank you
[13:59] <descent> i noticed rss-glx the screensavers the windows did that with my 1050 ti but the opengl xscreensavers didnt lzer
[13:59] <descent> maybe some setting does it
[14:00] <descent> a bug or something
[14:37] <jadenlian> is it ok to just have every thing in /root  cause im using <sudo -i> and when im doing everything as root all the stuff instead of being saved the user that i used to log in its being saved in /root
[14:40] <KBar> jadenlian: its NOT okay but its up to you
[14:41] <jadenlian> what are the cons?
[14:41] <KBar> 0
[14:41] <alkisg> For stuff under /home/username you're not supposed to be using sudo. Also, you're not supposed to be using `sudo graphical-programs` in most of the cases
[14:41] <KBar> 0 pros that is
[14:41] <KBar> and countless cons
[14:42] <KBar> jadenlian: when you enter the interactive mode with sudo, you change your EUID to that of the root user, i.e. 0
[14:43] <KBar> jadenlian: ofc everything is saved to /root, because that's your identity now
[14:43] <KBar> jadenlian: you can check $LOGNAME or other env vars. thatll clear things up
[14:45] <jadenlian> kbar: yeah i noticed that root is my id    but im i was thinking of doing was to reinstall and for the /root partition give it a lot of space since i notice that it runs out of space quick and then have my stuff saved there but i was trying to know if thats not going to cause issues
[14:46] <oerheks> as ubuntu uses 1 partition standard,why do you run out of space?
[14:46] <samy1028> jadenlian: there's a difference between the root partition  "/"  and Root's home directory "/root"
[14:46] <KBar> +1
[14:47] <jadenlian> samy1028: you are right i was refering to /root  home dir
[14:48] <samy1028> so, /root is by default under /  and Ubuntu by default has a single / partition with everything under it.
[14:48] <samy1028> if you do "df -h" does it show / as almost out of space?
[14:49] <jadenlian> i started using <sudo -i> so i dont have to type sudo all the time  but then i noticed the stuff being saved in /root  and then i got a warning that /root was runnign out of space
[14:49] <KBar> jadenlian: for starters https://wiki.debian.org/sudo & https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[14:51] <KBar> that doesn't make sense. did you split partitions during installation?
[14:51] <jadenlian> samy1028: 81% used but now the hard drive i have on this pc is not big
[14:51] <samy1028> how about MB total and MB free?  (or GB total and GB free?)
[14:52] <KBar> share your fstab and `df -h /`
[14:52] <samy1028> because 81% doesn't mean much.  I have a system at 87% used on one partition, with 680 GB free.
[14:53] <alkisg> Why do you need to run "sudo all the time"?
[14:53] <KBar> stuff is saved to /root because your HOME is set to root during `sudo -i` session. `getent passwd root` will tell you that
[14:53] <KBar> alkisg: laziness
[14:53] <jadenlian> samy1028: 44gb used   11gb available
[14:54] <ioria> jadenlian, are you really lazy  ?
[14:54]  * alkisg thinks it's easier to type "command" rather than "sudo command" ... :D
[14:54] <samy1028> jadenlian: if you don't understand the issues of running as root all the time, you shouldn't be running as root because it's way to easy to f* your system.
[14:55] <KBar> alkisg: well, maybe they aliased it to a single 's' :D
[14:55] <samy1028> granted, there are some systems I manage I have to be in as root because of stupid vendor's software which only runs as root, not under sudo (odd things happen)
[14:55] <samy1028> but then, those specific instances should be rare for most people.
[14:56] <samy1028> jandelian: so out of a ~60GB partition, you have 11GB free and you're worried about space?
[14:56] <jadenlian> just like ioria said  maybe lazy or just more convinient but why is my /root running out of space and my /home/username  is not
[14:57] <jadenlian> and can i increase the size of /root
[14:58] <samy1028> as KBar said, if you provide a fstab and df - /   then we can answer that better.  (if you put it into a pastebin somewhere)
[14:58] <KBar> jadenlian: now that does not concern Ubuntu. Feel free to join #linux
[14:58] <KBar> You're not willing to provide any information. Sorry, but we really can't help you further.
[14:59] <ioria> jadenlian, seriously... why you need superuser privileges all the time ? that's not good on an ubuntu system
[15:00] <oerheks> increasing size of root ..  without details about your partitioning, nobody can tell
[15:00] <jadenlian> ioria: is no good reason at all just  more convinient typing <command> and <sudo command + passwd>
[15:01] <oerheks> we heard no good reason why you work as root.
[15:01] <ioria> jadenlian, no dude, expecially not on a desktop edition
[15:01] <jadenlian> oerherk:details?
[15:01] <ice9> how to check for the latest installed kernel version?
[15:02] <jadenlian> ok i guess sudo -i = bad news
[15:02] <EriC^^> ice9: ls /boot/vmlinuz*
[15:02] <oerheks> ice9 run updates?
[15:02] <samy1028> If you're running Ubuntu Desktop as root and using browsers and such that's like running Windows XP as Administrator and using IE.  (maybe not quite as bad, but still bad).
[15:03] <ice9> EriC^^, I need to get the version for dpkg or apt, not from /boot/...
[15:03] <ice9> for/from
[15:03] <KBar> ice9 `uname -a`?
[15:03] <samy1028> how much stuff are you doing that really needs root?
[15:03] <KBar> ice9 `dpkg -l '*linux*'`
[15:03] <ice9> KBar, the kernel can be installed and not rebooted it
[15:03] <EriC^^> ice9: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[15:04] <samy1028> ice9  "apt search linux-image | grep install
[15:04] <samy1028> "
[15:05] <ice9> samy1028, EriC^^ and how to know the latest version automatically?
[15:05] <jadenlian> samy1028:its just stuff like rm, apt-get,mkdir,vim, most of the stuff needs sudo and i started using sudo -i just so i dont type sudo + passwd all the time
[15:05] <KBar> ice9: you can check `/var/log/apt/history.log` for the latest entry after update
[15:05] <EriC^^> ice9: dpkg -l | grep linux-image-generic  maybe
[15:06] <ice9> does apt post-hooks, run only if the upgrade has been successful or it runs in all cases?
[15:06] <KBar> no need for grep, dpkg -l already accepts shell globbing
[15:06] <KBar> and opens in a convenient pager
[15:06] <samy1028> jandelian: so, how often are you using those commands on a daily basis on that machine?  Is it server or desktop?
[15:08] <jadenlian> samy1028: one pc i have ubuntu sever just for and the other desktop but and when i use the desktop im mostly on the terminal
[15:08] <oerheks> we are doing your homework, ice9 ?
[15:08] <jadenlian> so pretty often
[15:08] <ice9> oerheks, i'm just asking for things that i couldn't find an answer for :)
[15:09] <oerheks> Post hooks only run when installation is succesfull, logically
[15:10] <jadenlian> samy1028:but ill just stick to sudo + passwd
[15:47] <floown> Guys, tell me why I could still log in as root (which I didn't do, I don't think root has an mdp, by the way): https://pastebin.com/pdSYgTtj
[15:49] <oerheks> remove the # ?
[15:49] <oerheks> PermitRootLogin no
[15:50] <oerheks> and restart the sshd deamon
[15:51] <dsc_> disable password authentication, filter users with `AllowUsers`, enforce key usage (ed25519 only if you want to be super anal)
[15:52] <oerheks> ?
[15:52] <oerheks> dsc_, keep the language in here family friendly, thanks
[15:53] <dsc_> oerheks: right, you go onto ignore
[15:54] <ravage> i suppose his family is a little behind too :)
[15:56] <floown> oerheks: I had add this line but I have the same result with prohibit-password
[15:57] <floown> systemctl restart ssh   <-------- is the right command to restart the daemon?
[15:57] <ravage> floown, yes it is. and with "PermitRootLogin no" and a proper restart of the daemon root will not be able to login anymore
[15:58] <oerheks> systemctl restart sshd
[15:58] <floown> oerheks: oh!
[15:58] <ravage> heh
[15:59] <ravage> what does ssh restart then?
[15:59] <ravage> or is it an alias?
[15:59] <ravage> its the same here
[16:01] <oerheks> sshd deamon is server side
[16:02] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/eut5pqg9.txt
[16:04] <james_> whatswrong with backbox
[16:06] <oerheks> james_, we don' t tell, as it is not ubuntu
[16:06] <james_> how are you
[16:06] <james_> who are you
[16:07] <ravage> !chat | james_
[16:07] <oerheks> james_, you are in the ubuntu support channel. see topic
[16:07] <oerheks> find your backbox or blackbox channel for support?
[16:08] <james_> how can i get my wireless card working in backbox, it doesn't show up ine the networking manager
[16:08] <oerheks> just told you ..
[16:38] <james_> is anyone in lancaster pa
[16:40] <james_> UFO's are vary real and no the designers  are not from earth
[18:13] <g2plus> hey, I am currently looking into 3d game development for ubuntu 22.04 , I have been trying to code in javascript for a while and it almost works, but I'm looking into c++, opengl way currently and can't find an easy to start example
[18:13] <g2plus> I tried from most simplest thing I could find, as abstraction should be able to write in code - https://github.com/stanfortonski/StickMan-3D#readme
[18:14] <g2plus> of course, got into some errors - https://pastebin.pl/view/f7aa3e37
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> g2plus: you might wanna idle in #ubuntu-devel for future development contributing
[18:15] <g2plus> lotuspsychje , thanks for recommendation
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> g2plus: your question would be still valid here aswell, just help widening your options
[18:20] <nasum> how do i colorize $1?  cat .links | parallel -I{} -j $2 "echo -ne \\\r\\\033[2K$2x $1 {#}/$total && $DL {}"
[18:27] <dsc_> nasum: when using parallel, I prefer redirection i.e: `parallel -j4 ./do_stuff.sh < .links`
[18:29] <dsc_> nasum: i doubt parallel does something to ANSI escape codes, maybe try fix your echo command first before stuffing it into parallel
[18:31] <nasum> dsc_: the echo command outside of parallel colorizes with tput codes but not in it
[18:31] <dsc_> nasum: hmm
[18:33] <dsc_> nasum: regardless, my `do_stuff.sh` approach might be easier to debug
[18:33] <nasum>  # i="$(tput setaf 2)"  k="$(tput setaf 7)"
[18:33] <nasum> here are some color codes
[18:33] <nasum> i surrounded $1 by those two
[18:34] <ice9> why Ubuntu LTS gets updates more frequent that CentOS/RedHat etc...?
[18:34] <ice9> frequent updates
[18:35] <nasum>  parallel -I{} -j $2 "echo -ne \\\r\\\033[2K$2x $1 {#}/$total && $DL {}" < .links
[18:36] <oerheks> centos is dead, and redhat is paid. ubuntu gives more software, so more patches and fixes.
[18:36] <enigma9o7[m]> what kind of answer are you looking for ice9?
[18:38] <nasum> dsc_: its part of a script so i cant use a separate file but maybe if i put it in a function?
[18:38] <ice9> enigma9o7[m], an answer that explains how  both distros address updates since both are LTS
[18:38] <nasum> can you define functoinso in functoins in bash/
[18:39] <dsc_> :(
[18:39] <dsc_> maybe try #bash, they are smart(er) there
[18:40] <nasum> {#} are the iteraitons from parallel, if you use a do_stuff.sh how will it know about it?
[18:41] <dsc_> good question
[18:43] <dsc_> nasum: seems like you can use "$PARALLEL_SEQ" in do_stuff.sh to get the iteration number
[18:44] <tomreyn> ice9: continued in -discuss
[18:52] <xrandr> Hello. I have a hardware controller with 2 virtual disks. One is Disk0 with a size of 1TB, and the other is Disk1 with a size of 4TB. I used MegaCli to create the second raid vd. Using LVM, i've added the second virtual disk (disk1) to the volume group, but it only seems to have added 1.5 Terabytes instead of 4. I used lvextend -l+100%FREE /dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv to extend the space in the lv, and then resize2fs -p /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg-ubu
[18:52] <xrandr> ntu-vg
[18:53] <xrandr> How can I get the rest of my space in there?
[18:56] <tomreyn> xrandr: post "lsblk" to a pastebin, or to termbin.com
[18:58] <xrandr> https://pastebin.com/Jnk8HztT
[19:00] <xrandr> perhaps megacli did not add the disks properly...
[19:00] <xrandr> no, it did, i see the SDC showing as 3.6 T
[19:03] <xrandr> It also shows that it only added 1.5 tb instead of the full 3.6 tb to lvm /
[19:05] <xrandr> tomreyn: any ideas on what i can do?
[19:06] <tomreyn> xrandr: redo it, the way you want it, i guess
[19:07] <tomreyn> xrandr:what you posted / ended up with is certainly quite different from what you described above
[19:09] <tomreyn> xrandr: i'm not sure exactly what your goal was, though. the hardware raid / virtual disk layout seems to be setup the way you wanted it
[19:09] <tomreyn> but you seemed to have different plans for the lvm than what you did
[19:09] <tomreyn> though i'm not sure exactly what your plans were there
[19:11] <tomreyn> maybe if you describe what your goal is with LVM, then we can suggest how to achieve this.
[19:16] <xrandr> tomreyn: I' like to have the full 4TB added to LVM
[19:19] <xrandr> well, it seem when i just tried to fix this i hosed the machine. So, i get to do a reinstall. This is probably better
[19:20] <tomreyn> xrandr: then remove the sdc2 PV (if you still can, but should work, i guess), remove the sdc1 and sdc2 partitions (unless there is data you need on sdc1?), clear lvm signature off sdc2  (may be optional), clear partition table off sdc (may be optional), make sdc a LVM PV.
[19:21] <tomreyn> oh, that was written before you came up with the plan to reinstall
[19:22] <xrandr> This is better. I had other things on there that needed to be cleaned out. It's a dev server, so it's ok to reinstall
[19:23] <tomreyn> make sure you're familiar with LVM's modes of operation, and the different types of strccute: PV, VG, LV
[19:39] <xrandr> tomreyn: thank you
[19:40] <tomreyn> xrandr: you're welcome
[19:41] <tomreyn> and i means to write s/strccute/structures/ (oops)
[19:41] <tomreyn> meanT :)
[19:44] <kristian_on_linu> cheers
[19:48] <kristian_on_linu> in Gimp, I get "Plug-in 'Film Grain' left image undo in inconsistent state, closing open undo groups."
[19:48] <kristian_on_linu> also this: "Error while executing script-fu-film-grain: Error: eval: unbound variable: plug-in-scatter-hsv"
[19:50] <tomreyn> please start with your ubuntu and gimp version
[19:50] <kristian_on_linu> hi tomreyn ... I forgot, sorry
[19:51] <kristian_on_linu> Ubuntu 20.04.4, GIMP 2.10.32 (that I just got from a PPA to get rid of this issue, to no avail)
[19:52] <tomreyn> no problem. i was thinking script-fu was only available on older releases
[19:53] <tomreyn> right, 20.04 has gimp 2.10.18-1
[19:54] <tomreyn> does it happen there, too?
[19:54] <kristian_on_linu> yes
[19:54] <kristian_on_linu> that's why I got the newer one
[19:55] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/gimp gives .30
[19:55] <tomreyn> hmm i think gimp have a channel here, too, maybe try it there
[19:56] <kristian_on_linu> ah yes, thank you
[20:10] <jhutchins> kristian_on_linu: I'd see if you could get in touch with anybody on the plugin team, see if others have reported the issue.
[20:10] <jhutchins> !gimp
[20:11] <jhutchins> kristian_on_linu: They probably have a forum or mailing list.
[20:11] <kristian_on_linu> I just found another plugin that does something similar
[20:11] <jhutchins> The plugin wouldn't survive being unusable over multipiple versions.
[20:12] <jhutchins> I would imagine plugins would have trouble finding files on snap.
[20:14] <ogra> why would they ?
[20:14] <ogra> they will find the same files gimp finds ...
[20:23] <jhutchins> ogra: Does gimp pass file structures ot plugins?
[20:24] <jhutchins> The plugin is one more location they have to be coded to search.
[20:57] <oerheks> for gimp, these settings are default https://imgur.com/gallery/gsf9Qho
[20:57] <oerheks> * snap
[21:10] <hans_> how i can replace /etc/php/7.4/fpm/php.ini with the package maintainer's version?
[21:10] <hans_> (it has been modified)
[21:15] <oerheks> find php.ini-production ?  like this old answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/312520/how-to-recover-the-default-php-ini
[21:25] <ranbox2d> i'm on ubuntu
[21:26] <ranbox2d> i have a password i was logging in with just fine
[21:26] <ranbox2d> now the sudo command won't accept it
[21:29] <Bashing-om> ranbox2d: Might I suggest that you reset the password: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword .
[21:35] <ilikebirds> Birds birds and more birds. You can find birds that are totally related to Fedora Linux on this webpage that I am going to drop you. Just go to http://deekchat.ml and you will have many many fun fun.
[21:50] <BadAtom> ranbox2d: if you're able to log in directly with the same credentials but sudo fails, verify that the path to the user shell is correct, and that sudoers and groups haven't been overwritten in an update, haven't had an error introduced into them in a recent edit, and contain your user correctly, and that dns and the system hostname are set up correctly
[21:50] <ranbox2d> i have no idea what went wrong earlier
[21:51] <goddard> i had to download firefox from their website because yall removed the apt version
[21:51] <goddard> i couldn't use the geckodriver
[21:51] <ranbox2d> i have a complex password, i copy-paste it, i pasted it inside the password prompt, didn't work, i paste it in plaintext in the terminal prompt to check, it's correct, i decided to close and reopen the session, after i did, it worked
[21:51] <goddard> didn't anyone thing about unit testing?
[21:52] <ranbox2d> BadAtom i think it may have been a hostname issue
[22:02] <tomreyn> goddard: https://github.com/mozilla/geckodriver/releases
[22:10] <Some_Person> Well this can't be good... https://imgur.com/a/q543LzV
[22:10] <Some_Person> Windows still boots, but Linux won't
[22:12] <Some_Person> Okay, weird... shut it down and turned it on again (rather than just rebooting), and it booted up fine?
[22:16] <justme1984__> I’m sorry to ask and I’m a little worried it isn’t possible. Is there a way to revert 22.04 back to 20.04 ( just noticed 22.04 has literally removed packages I rely on )
[22:17] <tomreyn> justme1984__: not possible. which packages are you missing?
[22:17] <justme1984__> Python 3.6-3.8
[22:17] <tomreyn> oh you mean package versions
[22:17] <justme1984__> And I guess they only allow python 3.10
[22:18] <tomreyn> it's normal that newer ubuntu releases have newer versions of packages. fortunately, you can check and plan this before carrying out an upgrade.
[22:19] <tomreyn> there is a 'deadsnakes' PPA which makes more python versions available on some ubuntu releases. maybe it could help you. PPAs are usually unsupported.
[22:20] <justme1984__> Well it’s really important I have those old versions also like many study places are only validating with 3.6 so you would fail if you deliver 3.10 code
[22:21] <justme1984__> Yeah ppa’s will never get to my home server because of lack of quality
[22:21] <justme1984__> But thanks a lot guess it’s time to then redownload 20.04 and block upgrading
[22:22] <tomreyn> it's not like release upgrade happen automatically
[22:22] <tomreyn> especially not while they're not supported, yet.
[22:22] <tomreyn> blocking security updates may be a bad idea, though.
[22:23] <justme1984__> 22.04 were supported and full release. My server had said it for month about upgrade ( think I saw it first late April )
[22:24] <tomreyn> oh you were on 21.10 then, i guess. when you said "server", i assumed LTS.
[22:24] <justme1984__> Well so bad Ubuntu has got on the server side since 16.04 ( were the last okay version ) it’s almost the only way I guess
[22:24] <justme1984__> No I were 20.04
[22:25] <justme1984__> Actually I believe 20.04.02 LTS
[22:25] <tomreyn> maybe you changed the Prompt= setting then, because 20.04 would not yet prompt for upgrading normally.
[22:26] <tomreyn> !ltsupgrade
[22:26] <justme1984__> It even did that when I originally came from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS last year ( there it also told me every time at login )
[22:27] <justme1984__> Even my backup vps on 18.04 is also begging for upgrade every time I login to the ssh
[22:28] <justme1984__> So LTS are also informing and begging for it
[22:29] <tomreyn> not on a standard installation before the upwards LTS target reaches .1
[22:30] <justme1984__> All of the systems were standard installed ( except upgraded home server last year from 18.04 to 20.04 ) so I don’t know then.
[22:32] <justme1984__> also how to I get the real iptables back on 22.04 ( if I stick on it ) and totally get rid of all nftables or what it’s called
[22:32] <tomreyn> not
[22:33] <justme1984__> ?? What do you mean
[22:35] <tomreyn> you will also not switch back to upstart on 22.04. or to making fires by hitting one stone with another.
[22:37] <justme1984__> Are you saying that isn’t possible ether about getting rid of nftables and get iptables back? Well I guess then it’s literally time to download an old version again until I find a replacement system
[22:38] <justme1984__> And I guess then I’ll just gonna go all the way back to 18.04
[22:39] <tomreyn> i think it can be useful to read release notes before upgrading, and to check software (version) compatibility. that's how anyone running production systems do it, anyways.
[22:41] <tomreyn> and, yes, you can actually keep using iptables commands through update-alternatives
[22:41] <tomreyn> but it's a system-wide decision you make there
[22:41] <tomreyn> as seen on the release notes.
[22:42] <justme1984__> Well at least about the python part Ubuntu has always had at least the last 3-4 in their repo but I guess it has been to money oriented since Microsoft started paying to them and harvest data as always
[22:44] <tomreyn> that must be true because it was said on the internet.
[22:46] <justme1984__> Well nftables has nothing to do at all on nether my home server or my vps if it ever sees 22.04
[22:47] <justme1984__> and about the Microsoft situation it is true why would Ubuntu else go into partnership with them as they even posted them self last year on their blog where Ubuntu called Microsoft partnership of the year
[22:48] <justme1984__> https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-recognized-as-a-2021-microsoft-partner-of-the-year-finalist
[22:48] <tomreyn> justme1984__: there's ubuntu-offtopic for non support topics (but not for spreading fud either)
[22:49] <justme1984__> Well it’s from the official Ubuntu.org blog and not fud as you call it
[22:50] <tomreyn> justme1984__: off-topic (non support) here. please find a more suitable location.
[23:08] <BadAtom> well that wasn't random at all
[23:36] <src> how dangerous is to upgrade all python packages via pip3? isn't it in theory possible things will be upgraded where ubuntu expects an older version?
[23:37] <enigma9o7[m]> As long as you don't use sudo, not super dangerous.
[23:51] <src> enigma9o7[m]: k
[23:52] <src> can you tell me why? noticed some upgrades failing, will some be held back automatically if they might break something?
[23:52] <enigma9o7[m]> I can say why that's not super dangerous, is beacuse without sudo, its not going to overwrite anything for all users.  It's only going to affect stuff for the current user, so worst case you could login as someone else.
[23:53] <enigma9o7[m]> without sudo instead of putting stuff in /usr/bin or whatever, it'll put it somewhere in /home/username


[00:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Back - mission accomplished :) --- clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[00:35] <guiverc> yep, wipe away
[00:35] <Bashing-om> :P
[00:55] <Bashing-om> We do UWN648 :D
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[08:53] <fwereade> hazmat, is it reasonable for a charm to have two relations with the same name?
[08:54] <fwereade> hazmat, IMO it is clearly crack -- you can't specify endpoints sanely, and you can end up running the wrong hooks
[08:55] <fwereade> hazmat, the fact  that charms currently happen to do it, and we've been lucky enough that the bugs have not yet been hit, is neither here nor there
[08:55] <fwereade> hazmat, (and the juju-* relation names are (almost?) all juju-info, which is *definitely* crack)
[08:56] <fwereade> hazmat, certainly the inconvenience of fixing any other juju-* names is minimal compared to the inconvenience of fixing the juju-info ones
[08:57] <fwereade> hazmat, is there some clever way around the problem that I'm missing?
[12:42] <hazmat> fwereade, the alternative is recognizing that the implicit provide is special and that hooks are not allowed for it, ie. don't attempt to execute them since those hooks are for the require side, and thus not breaking a bunch of charms.
[19:08] <fwereade> hazmat, I don't think that holds water -- sure, we could paper over the hooks bug, but I don't see any way in which it's actually sane to allow relation name collisions
[19:08] <fwereade> hazmat, and AFAICT that's what you're advocating


[00:56] <nacc> slangasek: thanks! i also just looked back at the logs for php7.0 and it seems it has failed this same way in the past a few times on the older version of php7.0 on armhf, so i'm not sure it's related to php7.0 itself (but not sure what it is related to either).
[00:57] <nacc> slangasek: well, and it looks like it passed this time, thanks again!
[01:10] <slangasek> nacc: right, seems to me the tests need verbosity++
[01:10] <slangasek> something exited non-zero, but had nothing to say for itself
[01:16] <nacc> slangasek: yeah, i think that's on my old todo list :)
[01:18] <nacc> slangasek: if you have the time, can you also retrigger phpseclib -> php-horde-mapi tests for all archs? new php-horde-mapi has been SRU'd which should fix those regressions.
[04:08] <slangasek> nacc: triggered; php-horde-mapi itself seems to also have some failing revdeps of its own (php-horde-activesync), have you looked at this one?
[13:35] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, virtualbox in unapproved queue shortly
[13:36] <LocutusOfBorg> ^^
[14:12] <yofel> could someone please force-badtest plasma-framework on s390x? thanks
[14:23] <apw> yofel, is there some background to that?
[14:25] <yofel> apw: I need that in release so I can verify a fix for a xenial SRU I want to do (affecting the live images), and I really don't care about the tests currently
[15:22] <apw> yofel, ok done
[15:22] <yofel> apw: thanks!
[15:27] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah ^^^ some more breakage for virtualbox
[16:00] <nacc> slangasek: going to do that today, i think it's mysql related
[16:00] <slangasek> yes, it does look it
[16:11] <nacc> slangasek: yep, it's the same issue as a few others, fixing now


[00:55] <Asker> Hello
[10:36] <woody_halaine> hello
[12:35] <Niju> silly question, on UT terminal, where is the alt button? I can't see it on the different keyboard options
[12:59] <OerHeks> Niju, not silly at all ..
[12:59] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1400285
[12:59] <OerHeks> You might want to confirm this bug too.
[13:00] <OerHeks> bug/ missing feature :-)
[13:25] <teward> if i have questions about Ubuntu Phone releases, specifically EOL dates for any given Ubuntu Phone OS that exists, do I ask here?  (Trying to figure out the EOL impact based on the main Ubuntu distros, and whether those EOL dates impact existing Ubuntu Touch devices/installs)
[13:26] <OerHeks> This is the right place, teward , but i have no clue about EOL dates.
[13:26] <teward> OerHeks: that's what I thought.  Came up on Ask Ubuntu, 'cause we put EOL notices on Meta there, someone posted saying "Phone devices are still running on a VIvid derivative and aren't yet affected by the EOL notice"
[13:27] <teward> which I want an authoritative answer on :/
[13:27] <teward> hmm... is there a mailing list for the Ubuntu Phone / Ubuntu Touch team?
[13:29] <OerHeks> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/
[13:36] <popey> teward, what is the specific question?
[13:38] <teward> popey: whether standard EOL dates impact Ubuntu Phone / Ubuntu Touch EOL dates
[13:38] <popey> they dont
[13:38] <teward> that's all I needed to know thanks
[13:38] <popey> because the phone, while on vivid, has an overlay ppa which keeps it up to date
[13:38] <popey> we'll move to xenial soon
[13:39] <teward> okay
[14:08] <Nycticebuscoucan> Hi, I want to add apps to the left bar how does it work, couldn't find anything about it
[14:09] <chrisluck> Nycticebuscoucan: You have to start the app first, this will make the app appear in the left bar. Then you long-press on the app in the left bar
[14:09] <Nycticebuscoucan> Chrisluck, thanks!
[14:10] <chrisluck> Nycticebuscoucan: a menu will appear where you can select to fix the app in the launcher
[14:11] <Nycticebuscoucan> and can I change the order of the apps?
[14:11] <Nycticebuscoucan> ok I  got it
[14:11] <Nycticebuscoucan> sorry for the question
[14:11] <Nycticebuscoucan> Thank you for your support!
[14:13] <chrisluck> yes, you can change the order by draging them to another location
[14:13] <chrisluck> it works like drag&drop on the desktop
[14:13] <chrisluck> you are welcome ;)
[14:50] <chrisluck> Does someone know how the /proc/last_kmsg works? My question is, where does it get stored to survive the crash/reboot ?
[17:19] <i_n_g_o_> hello
[17:19] <i_n_g_o_> i am struggeling with a plain (unchanged) Unity Scope project
[17:19] <i_n_g_o_> hope to find some help
[17:20] <i_n_g_o_> when starting it on the phone i get a "missing .ini extension" error...
[17:21] <i_n_g_o_> runs on the desktop though
[17:21] <i_n_g_o_> looking into the folder in question (/home/phablet/.local/share/unity-scopes/untitled.username_untitled_0.1) i can see a "untitled.username_untitled-settings.ini" file
[17:22] <i_n_g_o_> error is this: unity::scopes::ConfigException: invalid config file name: "/home/phablet/.local/share/unity-scopes//untitled.username_untitled_0.1": missing .ini extension
[17:23] <i_n_g_o_> seems it expects the folder to be the .ini file
[17:38] <Nycticebuscoucan> hi guys it's me again, I am trying to change the order of the apps in the app scope but I don't know how
[19:34] <chrisluck> Nycticebuscoucan: You only have to long press the app you want to move. And while you are pressing, you can drag the app to another position


[01:01] <wrtpeeps> guys, any clues at all why I'm getting this error when trying to branch:  http://paste2.org/p/1492524
[01:07] <lifeless> wrtpeeps: I'm not sure; could you file a bug? i tlooks like something to do with your temporary directory - pehraps permissions
[01:09] <wrtpeeps_> lifeless, a bug? after 5 mins of using it? That must be a record! :D
[01:10] <lifeless> wrtpeeps: it may be a local configuration issue on your machine
[01:10] <lifeless> bzr definitely works on windows
[01:11] <wrtpeeps> hm
[01:11] <lifeless> 12:10 < lifeless> wrtpeeps: it may be a local configuration issue on your machine
[01:11] <lifeless> 12:10 < lifeless> bzr definitely works on windows
[01:11] <wrtpeeps> im running the bzr command line as admin
[01:11] <wrtpeeps> i wonder if it's pageant
[01:12] <lifeless> there should be a more complete backtrace in your bzr.log
[01:12] <lifeless> bzr --version will tell you where that is
[01:12] <lifeless> back soon
[01:56] <ssbr> poolie: we don't seem to get along well, that's all. Lots of small things that have driven me insane by now.
[10:35] <nad> hi, when doing 'bzr launchpad-login <myUsername>' from the terminal I get the following error regarding proxy auth:'bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: curl connection error (Received HTTP code 407 from proxy after CONNECT)'. New to ubuntu dev, using natty. Added my ssh key to launchpad successfully. Any ideas? http_proxy env variable is set
[10:36] <nad> http_proxy env is correct, able to use apt-get successfully using this
[10:37] <spiv> nad: 407 is "407 Proxy Authentication Required"
[10:37] <lifeless> nad: IIRC thats because your proxy wants proxy authentication
[10:38] <spiv> vila may remember how to configure bzr to auth to your proxy
[10:40] <nad> spiv, lifeless: thanks for the quick response. I cannot seem to find a way to set the authentication settings in bzr through curl.
[10:45] <nad> should have googled bazaar instead of bzr, getting a lot more results :-)
[10:48] <poolie> nad, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/363019
[10:49] <nad> ubot5: seems to work when i export my https_proxy with the same value as http_proxy, which contains my username and password. Thanks
[12:20] <thumper> jelmer: ping
[12:26] <jelmer> thumper: p0ng
[13:22] <iwata> part
[14:57] <poolie> gz, are you around perchance?
[14:58] <poolie> maxb, i sent a proposal to the tb about you
[14:58] <poolie> getting access to jubany
[14:59] <maxb> ok, I will try to write something about my existence on wiki.ubuntu.com
[15:06] <iwata> jelmer: Hello. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/795994 This problem is critical for me. Can I reopen it ?
[15:06] <jelmer> iwata, hi
[15:07] <jelmer> iwata, I've reopened it; a test case would be very nice
[15:07] <jelmer> jam: ping
[15:08] <jelmer> jam: bug 441125 - do you know why your fix for that would not have landed?
[15:08] <jelmer> jam: nevermind
[15:12] <iwata> jelmer: Thank you.
[16:16] <spiv> vila: https://code.launchpad.net/~spiv/bzr/faster-branch-open/+merge/66165
[18:15] <RobOakes> Good morning. Is this a good place to ask questions about bzr recipes?
[18:15] <spiv> RobOakes: sure.  #launchpad too.
[18:16] <RobOakes> Cool. I'm trying to create a daily build recipe for LyX, a word processor that uses LaTeX. I've got a separate packaging branch and my source branch and they merge alright. However, the build fails because it can't find or read the debian changelog.
[18:17] <RobOakes> (Which is found at debian/changelog. I've taken the debian folder directly from the lyx package and can't figure out why the build is failing.)
[18:17] <RobOakes> I'm also not the package maintainer, just one of the regular devs. So, this is all kind of new to me.
[18:18]  * spiv pokes jelmer
[18:18] <jelmer> RobOakes, what is the recipe?
[18:19] <RobOakes> It can be found here: https://code.launchpad.net/~lyx-outline-devel/+recipe/lyx-2.1-daily
[18:20] <RobOakes> but, #bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version ...
[18:20] <RobOakes> branch
[18:20] <RobOakes> nest-part packaging lp:packaging-branch debian
[18:23] <spiv> RobOakes: ah
[18:23] <spiv> "debian/changelog didn't contain any parseable stanzas."
[18:23] <spiv> You need to indent lines 3 and 4 of debian/changelog I think
[18:23] <spiv> Just like the existing entries.
[18:24] <RobOakes> Oh.  I run into the same packaging errors, but I wasn't sure if it as from my recipe, my debian directory, or the fact that my computer doesn't like me.
[18:26] <spiv> RobOakes: I think your open-minded approach to debugging :)
[18:26] <spiv> s/think/like/
[18:31] <RobOakes> It's served me well.
[18:31] <RobOakes> Right, so I just fixed the formatting errors in changelog, hopefully that will fix it ...
[18:31] <RobOakes> Do I also need to import the .dsc file? (I'm not sure how to nest a branch to the root of the src tree.)
[18:32] <RobOakes> (And I know virtually nothing about packaging.)
[18:33] <RobOakes> Hmm. I think that may have fixed it.  Thanks for pointing out the problem :)
[18:37] <RobOakes> Yay! Now I have an entirely new set of errors, patches aren't applying. I'm probably going to need to talk to the debian package maintainers. Thanks for your help.
[19:19] <stub> Who maintains the beta PPA? The pipeline package seems to needs to be updated to cope with bzr 2.4
[19:21] <maxb> We (mostly I) do
[19:23] <stub> maxb: Should I file a bug report on Launchpad?
[19:23] <stub> ** Unable to load plugin 'pipeline'. It requested API version (2, 3, 0) of module <module 'bzrlib' from '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/__init__.pyc'> but the minimum exported version is (2, 4, 0), and the maximum is (2, 4, 0)
[19:27] <maxb> You're welcome to file the bug, but in practice it's more useful to file in debbugs
[19:28] <maxb> Or, just trust I'll remember to fix :-)
[22:22] <jelmer> w00t, we're past r6000 :)
[22:23] <fullermd> That's not nearly as important as being past RS/6000   :p
[22:49] <threeve> Is the pager plugin still alive (doesn't look it), or is there something similar that will automatically run output through $PAGER or similar?
[22:52] <jelmer> threeve: The pager plugin is the only option I'm aware of; IIUC it should still work
[22:53] <threeve> jelmer: thanks...  any idea how I get it?  The home page appears to be dead: http://bzr.oxygene.sk/bzr-plugins/pager/
[22:53] <jelmer> threeve, https://launchpad.net/bzr-pager
[22:53] <threeve> at least, that's the one linked from the wiki plugins page
[22:53] <threeve> ah, thanks
[23:10] <LeoNerd> bzr tags --help   mentions the  --sort=ARG  option, but I don't see a list of allowed values anywhere.
[23:10] <LeoNerd> I want to view the tag of the most recent version
[23:11] <jelmer> LeoNerd, there's an open bug about that
[23:12] <LeoNerd> Ah OK. :) in the meantime then can anyone tell me a useful value? :)
[23:13] <jelmer> LeoNerd: IIRC the values are natural, alpha and time
[23:13] <LeoNerd> Ahhh... alpha and time look useful to me; the nature of my tags means they're the same. Thanks
[23:14] <LeoNerd> natural I'm guessing is the default, because it puts the wrong one at the end..
[23:14] <LeoNerd> Well, wrong in my use-case