[12:38] <zgmf-x20a> ii  nvidia-glx                                 1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29                NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[12:38] <zgmf-x20a> ii  nvidia-glx-dev                             1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29                NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver devel
[12:38] <zgmf-x20a> rc  nvidia-glx-new                             1.0.9755+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29                NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver
[12:38] <zgmf-x20a> ii  nvidia-kernel-common                       20051028+1ubuntu7                      NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[12:38] <zgmf-x20a> ic  nvidia-settings                            1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1                  Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv
[12:38] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: these were installed
[12:38] <mattperry1976> yes I rebooted after the updates
[12:38] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  if you follow those instructions, you should be able to install manually, but you need to make sure you have all the build-essential things and you need to be sure that you always tell the system to compile the interface from scratch (dont download)
[12:39] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | zgmf-x20a
[12:39] <ubotu> zgmf-x20a: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:39] <the-erm> Has anyone ever had a problem with a usb device hanging?  If so what /etc/init.d/<scriptname> restart would you run to restart it?
[12:39] <the-erm> I had to reboot
[12:39] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ic... and yes that would be the problem, i dont know how install things like that manually
[12:41] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: so with those files that are installed, do i have all the necessary items?
[12:41] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well on that nVidia page it gives you the detailed directions, just be sure you have the build-essential package (i.e. compile tools) installed, then when asked during the install, DONT download, have the system compile your interface
[12:41] <BluesKaj> kkathman, he can download the .run file , but then he must cd to the directory where it downloaded and do: ./filename.run in the konsole to install it
[12:41] <Schuenemann> hey, anyone heard anything about AMD announcing they'll open ATI specification?
[12:41] <dudeicles> is it just me or does this channel never have ops?
[12:41] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  yeah I think thats mentioned on that page
[12:42] <emilsedgh> Schuenemann: maybe they will be included in 8.04
[12:42] <dthacker-lt> dudeicles: they morph into ops when they need to
[12:42] <dudeicles> lol ok
[12:42] <kkathman> no,zgmf-x20a you dont have the nvidia kernel generic interface file
[12:42] <Schuenemann> emilsedgh, but it was proprietary before, right?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, yes it was anounced a few days ago that ATI is doing a rewrite of most of the linux drivers for thair graphics cards
[12:43] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: well, what i did was download it, and then in console typed in sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run and it did nothing
[12:43] <Schuenemann> that's nice
[12:43] <emilsedgh> Schuenemann: there is a propertiary driver and a Free Driver
[12:43] <mattperry1976> kkathman: yes I rebooted after the updates
[12:43] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, so how do i get the nvidia kernal generic interface?
[12:43] <Schuenemann> emilsedgh, I'm talking abotu the specification
[12:43] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well it certainly should have done SOMETHING :)
[12:43] <dudeicles> too bad you can't use mIRC on ubuntu
[12:43] <jonny> Hi guys.  I'm completely new to kubuntu and was wondering if somebody could tell me where I can configure a startup script?  Gnome has that nice System > Preference > Sessions.  What's the KDE equivalent?
[12:44] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you have to install it or compile it
[12:44] <Schuenemann> dudeicles, wiine works
[12:44] <emilsedgh> Schuenemann: ah not it wasnt
[12:44] <dudeicles> Schuenemann: Does mIRC work in wine?
[12:44] <emilsedgh> jonny: systemSettings->Advanced
[12:44] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: well it says "sh: Can't open NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run" when i type that in to konsle
[12:44] <Schuenemann> dudeicles, yeah, but remember it's paid :-p
[12:44] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  for my box it is:  nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic
[12:44] <emilsedgh> jonny: the, goto Session Manager :)
[12:45] <zgmf-x20a> ca i install that file from adept?
[12:45] <escuter> excuse me, I want to set skim up to be able to type in a couple languages
[12:45] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a,try ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run
[12:45] <jonny> Thanks emilsedgh.  Can I configure startup scripts in there?  How do I do that?
[12:45] <escuter> can anybody give me a hand?
[12:45] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  sounds like you a) are not in the directory you downloaded the file or b) the permissions arent set
[12:45] <emilsedgh> jonny: scripts? if thats a script, place it in !/.kde/Autostart
[12:46] <emilsedgh> ~/.kde/Autostart jonny
[12:46] <escuter> my /etc/environment looks like this
[12:46] <escuter> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[12:46] <escuter> LANG="es_AR.UTF-8"
[12:46] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: it said "bash: ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run: No such file or directory" when i put that
[12:46] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: sh ./nvida...
[12:46] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: and kkathman fyi, it is on my desktop
[12:46] <escuter> and I read that I need to add LC_CTYPE="ja_JA.UTF-8" to be able to type japanese
[12:46] <jonny> Brilliant emilsedgh.  Thanks a lot.
[12:46] <emilsedgh> jonny: np
[12:46] <escuter> but I also want to be able to type Yiddish
[12:47] <escuter> and I don't know how to add more than one string to that variable..
[12:47] <escuter> separated by :?
[12:48] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  then go to your console and cd to ~/Desktop   then execute your sh command
[12:49] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, cd to your desktop or move the file to /home/yourname , cuz the konsole assumes /home/yourname as the default directory
[12:49] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: actually, i just moved the file into home and yah the command works now.  but now i am meet with the error message that i must run it as root
[12:49] <Schuenemann> Where can I find qsocket.h, qvbox.h, qhbox.h, qhttp.h, qdom.h and other QT libraries?
[12:49] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: and BluesKaj how do i do that as root?
[12:49] <Biovore> Schuenemann: got libqt4-dev?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> sudo ./filename
[12:50] <Schuenemann> Biovore, yes
[12:50] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ahhhh ic ic, ok let me try that
[12:50] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, /usr/include/qt3
[12:50] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  use sudo
[12:51] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, actually I'm trying to compile something with 'make' and it complains those libraries are missing
[12:51] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: and BluesKaj ok, new error comes up.  it says i appear to be running an x server and cannot proceed.  what x server could this possibly be?????
[12:51] <Schuenemann> and there is no qt3 directory, only qt4. Do I need qt3 package too?
[12:52] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, you have all the various -dev packages?
[12:52] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, I don't know, I installed libqt4-dev only
[12:52] <BluesKaj> !X
[12:52] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:53] <jesus18_> hola
[12:53] <jesus18_> a t dos como estan
[12:53] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  sorry Im assuming too much - you must exit your gui session and stop X before you install the nvidia device
[12:53] <NickPresta> !es | jesus18_
[12:53] <ubotu> jesus18_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:53] <hd> #denmark
[12:53] <jesus18_> hola
[12:53] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: then how am i supposed to still be able to talk with you guys?  i have to exit everything???
[12:54] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  the install process has to be dong wholly in the shell (konsole)
[12:54] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, it's possible you need the qt3 packages. I did a `locate qsocket.h` and it returned /usr/include/qt3. The the other files are there too.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> stdin, are you around ?
[12:54] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, is it libqt3-mt-dev ?
[12:55] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: do you have the build-essentials installed?
[12:55] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, I believe so. You might also need the libqt3-headers
[12:55] <BluesKaj> err build-essential
[12:55] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i think so, pretty sure, sudo build-essential right?
[12:56] <kkathman> !compile
[12:56] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:56] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, ok, I'll install them
[12:56] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, it is also possible that you need to specific the --with-qt-includes/libraries flag. Check out ./configure --help
[12:56] <NickPresta> s/specific/specify
[12:56] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:56] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  go through that and be sure
[12:56] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, there is no configure
[12:56] <Schuenemann> I ran qmake first
[12:56] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, oh. Then I suppose you don't need to do that :)
[12:57] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: and BluesKaj ok its going thru it now, there is some installing being done
[12:58] <BluesKaj> yes kkathman, zgmf-x20a ...hang on , there is something else he needs too ...looking it up
[12:58] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, it still says I don't have those libraries... can I run this 'locate file' anywhere?
[12:59] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, you can run `locate filename` to try and find the files, to see if you do, indeed, have them.
[12:59] <mattperry1976> I'm thinking that I'm having some kind of 'permission' issues...as if I try to modify anything that saves to my home folder I get messages that start "Unable to save bookmarks in /home/mattperry/... Reported error was: Permission denied."
[12:59] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, anywhere? or at a specific directory (sub ones, for ex) ?
[01:00] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, anywhere.
[01:00] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, `man locate` for more information
[01:00] <mattperry1976> can anyone help with making sure that my permissions are set to the default etc?
[01:00] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  so you said you did reboot after you installed the updates?
[01:01] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, sudo apt-get install  module-assistant then sudo apt-get module-assistant update
[01:01] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, k... well, I don't have them yet
[01:01] <Schuenemann> weird thing is that I see a libqt3-dev package but can't install it
[01:02] <Schuenemann> says it's unavailable and might be missing or is obsolete
[01:02] <zgmf-x20a> ok so kkathman and BluesKaj i have built essential and that is now done.  so, i will type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" into terminal and then the screen will go blank and i will have my normal prompt.  at that point i will type in "sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run" and the drivers will install correct????
[01:02] <BluesKaj>  zgmf-x20a ,then do the sudo ./filename.run again
[01:02] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ok ill install those first
[01:03] <mattperry1976> kkathman: yes I did
[01:03] <BluesKaj> brb,,, gotta set up the lawn sprinllers
[01:03] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, using `dpkg -l | grep qt`, I have: libqt3-mt-dev, and ibqt3-headers, as far as dev. packages go.
[01:03] <Schuenemann> how about libqt3-dev ?
[01:03] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  ok lets open konqueror and navigate to /home/mattperry/.kde/share/apps/
[01:03] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, nope.
[01:04] <Schuenemann> hmm
[01:04] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  you may have to go to the VIEW tab in Konq and check to view hidden files
[01:04] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ok, just so you know, the first command worked, but the second, the update did not, and it came back with this error "E: Invalid operation module-assistant"
[01:04] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, apparently, libqt3-mt-dev and libqt3-headers replace libqt3-dev
[01:04] <Schuenemann> damn
[01:05] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, which application is this, specifically?
[01:05] <Schuenemann> sopcast
[01:05] <Schuenemann> http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sopcast.org%2F&ei=xm7kRt2HHZuOeebp8I0K&usg=AFQjCNE_qmI2CkyFvez7K3Sa_mPaurc1LA&sig2=LqTV16kKTqra4WsiuOxHqQ
[01:05] <Schuenemann> sorry
[01:05] <mattperry1976> kkathman
[01:05] <Schuenemann> http://www.sopcast.org/
[01:05] <mattperry1976> kkathman: ok I'm there
[01:05] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, I have sopcast installed from the repos.
[01:05] <outspan> hi everybody, i have a question
[01:06] <thomas_> does anyone know how to setup "wine"?
[01:06] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, really? does it work fine?
[01:06] <Schuenemann> which repo was it?
[01:06] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, yeah. I watched a couple of NBA games on it.
[01:06] <Schuenemann> please, tell me the repository
[01:06] <outspan> i have kubuntu 7.04 amd64, it will shut down suddenly about every half an hour, any idea why?
[01:06] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  ok, right click on the konqueror directory, choose properties, then click on the permissions tab
[01:07] <emilsedgh> thomas_: sudo apt-get install wine :)
[01:07] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, I installed 'sopcast' from the repos (I'll get the link in a minute) and then I compile 'qsopcast' myself (it's a QT frontend to sopcast).
[01:07] <thomas_> emilsedgh: i think I have it installed but it doesn't work
[01:07] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  the the ownership and user should be mattperry
[01:07] <emilsedgh> thomas_: whats the problem?
[01:07] <outspan> i also had some problems installing, had to install text mode
[01:08] <thomas_> emilsedgh: I wanna be able to run some windows applications, so wine opens .exe's
[01:08] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, well, I guess that won't help me... my problem is exacly the qt frontend
[01:08] <mattperry1976> kkathman: it is
[01:08] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, well the update after the istall was a bit of overkill, but now the invidia driver install should work
[01:08] <emilsedgh> thomas_: go to konsole and type wine /path/to/your/file.exe
[01:08] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  then at the top the owner should have "Can view and Modify"  the others should be "Forbidden"
[01:08] <MekApelsin> is the extra repos on kubuntu.org gone?
[01:08] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, I'll show you all the qt related packages I have installed. You can install them one-by-one and see if it solves your problem.
[01:08] <mattperry1976> kkathman: they are
[01:08] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: lol, ok, so i am going to do those steps as i said above and give it a go
[01:08] <Schuenemann> ok, thanks
[01:09] <thomas_> emilsedgh: is that the best way to run windows applications?
[01:09] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: so i guess everything will shut down and ill brb
[01:09] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  ok then thats correct and permissions are ok it seems
[01:09] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, http://nickpresta.ath.cx/temp/qtpackages
[01:09] <BluesKaj> don't zgmf-x20a not necessary!\
[01:09] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, I found a .deb on a blog on google
[01:09] <emilsedgh> thomas_: maybe they will be opened when you double-click on them, i dunno, but why do you want to run a win application?
[01:09] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: huh?  why???
[01:10] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  if you want you can click on the konq subdirectory and look at the permissions of the bookmarks.xml file to be sure they are the same
[01:10] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: i thought i had to stop all x applications
[01:10] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, okay, try that. Alternately, try installing qt3-dev-tools and see if that helps.
[01:10] <Schuenemann> ok
[01:10] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, you don't need to shut X down
[01:10] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: i see so that package i just installed gives me that freedom to not shut down x??
[01:10] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, I already have it
[01:10] <mattperry1976> kkathman: bookmarks.xml is root...ah ha...
[01:11] <BluesKaj> where do the instructions say to shut X down, zgmf-x20a
[01:11] <erichj> emilsedgh: i would imagine he/she wants to run windows apps because there are either no linux alternatives or none that work as well as whatever they need
[01:11] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  hmm thats a problem yeah
[01:11] <solarwaver> is anyone knows how i run script files?
[01:12] <thomas_> emilsedgh: so I can play games :D
[01:12] <erichj> ./<script name>
[01:12] <emilsedgh> erichj: maybe, but most of the times people do not know about Linux programs
[01:12] <mattperry1976> kkathman: how does that get that way?..and how do I fix it? lol
[01:12] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: as soon as i type in "sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run" it will unpack, etc etc, then brings me to the nvidia installer screen and says error, you appear to be running an x server, please exit x before installing
[01:12] <GoodHabit> Hello! How to define the application to view *.flv files?
[01:13] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  hard to say, but maybe you copied those bookmarks from some other system maybe?
[01:13] <Schuenemann> GoodHabit, Configurations > Configure Konqueror
[01:13] <outspan> I've just installed kubuntu 7.04 amd64 but it will suddenly shut down every half an hour, i have no idea why. Any hints?
[01:13] <erichj> emilsedgh: i suppose. although i still run ms office because there are no one note alternatives.
[01:13] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: konqueror->settings->configure
[01:13] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, don't use the "sh" .use  sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run
[01:14] <GoodHabit> But i am using krusader...
[01:14] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ok ill give that a go
[01:14] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: then go to File Associations
[01:14] <outspan> I've just installed kubuntu 7.04 amd64 but it will suddenly shut down every half an hour, i have no idea why. Any hints?
[01:14] <GoodHabit> emilsedgh: Where i can find File Associations?
[01:15] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: konqueror->settings->configure
[01:15] <mattperry1976> kkathman: ok so now do you have any idea how to fix it?
[01:15] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  if there's anything in /home/mattperry  that doesnt have the ownership and user = mattperry, then you wont be able to save anything
[01:15] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ok, and then i get this error when doing that "sudo: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run: command not found"
[01:15] <solarwaver> goodhabit download amadis converter so u convert them in to avi/Divx'
[01:15] <solarwaver> is anyone knows how i run script files?
[01:16] <emilsedgh> GoodHabit: also, you could right click on a .flv file and go to open with... place and choose the application you want and check the ;make it default' checkbox
[01:16] <thomas_> I can'topen Program files
[01:16] <erichj> solarwaver: in konsole type 'sudo ./scriptnamehere' no '
[01:16] <GoodHabit> I have another problem - kaffeine @ menu seems like "affeine" and it cannot be fixed with menu editor.
[01:16] <thomas_> I think linux doesn't allow to have spaces in folder names?
[01:16] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, copy and paste this exactly:  sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run
[01:17] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: i did try that as well, same error, but slightly different, it says "sudo: ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run: command not found"
[01:17] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, I installed the .deb and I'm running a GUI... should I see anything on the list?
[01:17] <dudeicles> has anyone here ever used GXMame?
[01:18] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: the sh seems to be needed?
[01:18] <solarwaver> erichj sudo what?
[01:18] <mattperry1976> kkathman: so is there a way to reset everything in my home folder to my ownership etc?
[01:18] <thomas_> how do you navigate to folders with spaces in the names
[01:19] <Schuenemann> thomas_, use quotes
[01:19] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  yep, but it may not need it
[01:19] <solarwaver> erichj sudo what?
[01:19] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: lol ... ummm nooo, just in the home directory, havent changed the prompt at all
[01:19] <thomas_> ok ry
[01:19] <newsense> thomas_: tab does autocomplete
[01:20] <mattperry1976> kkathman: should everything in that folder by default be owned by me if I'm the only user?
[01:21] <solarwaver> erichj sudo what?
[01:21] <BluesKaj> ok, zgmf-x20a try from the TTY prompt , ctrl+alt+F2 and type the commands there , then when your done , ctrl+alt+F7 to turn X back on
[01:21] <kkathman> mattperry1976:  you could launch konqueror under admin mode (i.e. kdesu konqueror) and then open the the directory /home/mattperry/.kde/share/apps and then check that little box that says "Apply changes to all subfolders and contents"  but Im not 100% sure thats necessary,  but about 98.9%
[01:22] <mattperry1976> right on
[01:22] <mattperry1976> kkathman: right on...thanks
[01:22] <kkathman> it makes sense to me that everything under /home/mattperry should have those settings, but you might want to ask a super guru around here
[01:22] <solarwaver> is anyone knows how i run script files?
[01:22] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ok sounds good, ill give it a whirl.  here goes nothing.  brb
[01:23] <thomas_> can anyone help me with this? I'm trying to run an .exe http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36962/
[01:23] <Schuenemann> solarwaver, ./scriptName
[01:24] <BluesKaj> is there a conflict with older nvidia drivers when trying to install new ones?...never encountered that with fglrx
[01:24] <emilsedgh> thomas_: looks like that wine just 'cannot' run it, go to appdb.winehq.org and see if thats supported or no
[01:25] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: well that was i8nteresting...  EXACT same error message!!  ARGH!  lol
[01:25] <thomas_> emilsedgh: ok t y
[01:25] <solarwaver> is anyone knows how i run script files?
[01:25] <GoodHabit> Help! Annoing trouble -  kaffeine @ menu seems like "affeine" and it cannot be fixed with menu editor.
[01:25] <emilsedgh> !repeat | GoodHabit
[01:25] <ubotu> GoodHabit: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:26] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, I think you might have to uninstall the old nvidia driver first: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:26] <GoodHabit> !patience
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[01:26] <GoodHabit> ^)
[01:27] <kkathman> solarwaver:  in general you just +e the file and run it  but it depends
[01:27] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: really?  argh.  and i have that web posting... ive been thru it a few times already trying to get this tow work, so i will unistall what i installed and go from there.
[01:28] <solarwaver> kkathman i do it abd it said permision denied
[01:29] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, yeah possibly your best bet ...sorry i couldn't help ...think I'll stay out of nvidia prob situ's from now on :(
[01:29] <kkathman> solarwaver:  sudo :)
[01:29] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: lol....  aight well i uninstalled those, and i will try again with ctrl alt f2, brb
[01:30] <solarwaver> when i put sudo it return me comand not found
[01:30] <kkathman> solarwaver:  sorry I was in err -    sudo chmod +x filename
[01:31] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  same error!!!!
[01:31] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: man o man... i wonder how other ppl get these things to work sometimes.
[01:32] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, what nvidia card is it ?
[01:32] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: it is the nvidia geforce 8600m gs on my laptop, which is the asus f3sv-a1 model
[01:33] <solarwaver> it does not work
[01:33] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  I think he needs to make sure he's got the build stuff, exit to console (ctrl-alt-f1), stop X (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop) then execute the sh NVIDIA file and be sure to answer to compile the interface and NOT download it
[01:33] <tes_> hi 2 all
[01:34] <solarwaver> any good converter for mkv files?
[01:34] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, should i give that a go and let you know what happens?
[01:35] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  be sure you do one thing first :  back up your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
[01:35] <tes_> can somebody help me: music from amarok etc sounds great, but in linux games it hisses
[01:35] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i dont know how to do that, how do i do that?
[01:35] <tes_> i choosed ALSA in sound controls
[01:36] <izzyb_> I just installed Gutsy Tribe 5.  overall it seems very responsive, but the adapt installer is really slow and unresponsive.  is this a known issue?
[01:36] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  at a console  1) cd /etc/X11     2) cp xorg.conf  xorg.conf.backup
[01:37] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i had an error.  "cp: cannot create regular file `xorg.conf.backup': Permission denied"
[01:37] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: try sudo
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ok zgmf-x20a :  sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run -x
[01:38] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  then if you experience problems after the other stuff, remove the xorg.conf and copy the backup back:  1) cd /etc/X11  2) rm -f xorg.conf   3) cp xorg.conf,backup  xorg.conf
[01:38] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  when you get those messages you need to always preface with sudo
[01:38] <xp_killer> stdin: i have like 1000 file exe how can i decompres them all together?
[01:39] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  in general outside your home directory you'll need sudo to execute things
[01:39] <Level15> hey
[01:39] <Biovore> xp_killer: you make it with winzip?
[01:39] <Level15> i need a hand on setting my bluetooth headset on my box...
[01:39] <Level15> ssup
[01:40] <xp_killer> dont have winzip or winwar
[01:40] <Schuenemann> what can I do so everytime I hit Ctrl + Alt + D it actually minimises all windows?
[01:41] <zgmf-x20a> ok so kkathman i did that, and returned me back to the prompt zgmf-x20a@zgmf-x20a:/etc/X11$ immediately after.
[01:41] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok if you are still there- do an    ls     and you'll see the file that you hopefully created
[01:41] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: now as for the command you gave me, i tried it from home, and it does the exact same thing, uncompresses the files, but this time, it does not even bring me to the installation screen at all, it simply returns to the prompt
[01:42] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: u want the shortcut to minimize all windows?
[01:42] <Schuenemann> xp_killer, exacly
[01:42] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i see a file "xorg.conf.backup " is there, thats it correct?
[01:42] <Schuenemann> it's boring to have them restored after I run something
[01:42] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  good  thats correct
[01:42] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: awesome
[01:43] <BluesKaj> yeah there are some libs missing from the downloaded driver ..just saw something aboutit ..i think kkathman is on the right path here ...maybe his advice will do the trick :)
[01:43] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I'll tell you what a very wise fella once told me - you cant operate linux without knowing the command line (so learn those basic commands - they will save you) :)
[01:44] <Schuenemann> xp_killer, how's it?
[01:44] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: so now, do the ctrl alt f1 command, then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop command to stop x, then from prompt the sh command to get the installer going correct????
[01:44] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: lol, i am im coming along, ive got some things down, just have to practise more often
[01:45] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well Im hoping that you have all the compile tools
[01:45] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[01:45] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  did you see my post that said what to do if this doesnt work?
[01:45] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: how would i check if i have them or not?
[01:45] <BluesKaj> kkathman, i just read that there are some libs missing in the downloaded driver
[01:45] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  were you able to figure out if he has all the stuff?
[01:46] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: 1) cd /etc/X11  2) rm -f xorg.conf   3) cp xorg.conf,backup  xorg.conf correct?
[01:46] <d347hm4n> ok whats the deal, how do i get compiz and flash working
[01:46] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  correct
[01:46] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: im still looking for the shortcut in keyboard & mouse.my own is working allready to minimize all windows it was by default
[01:46] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: cool.  so, what about the comile tools you were speaking about?
[01:46] <kkathman> so go give it a try, and follow the prompts normally but be sure you tell it you want to COMPILE your interface NOT download it
[01:46] <Schuenemann> xp_killer, the default behavior isn't minimise all windows, it's show desktop
[01:47] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  worst case it will abort and you'll reboot and come back (probably wont need those other things I told you about)
[01:48] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: well i havent add a short cup to none of my thing and the ctrl alt d works
[01:48] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok sounds good, hopefully it asks if i want o compile or download... lol.
[01:48] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, here goes nothing, brb
[01:48] <Schuenemann> xp_killer, if you hit ctrl alt d and then run an icon on your desktop, does it restore any window?
[01:49] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: yes it does
[01:50] <Schuenemann> xp_killer, so, it doesn't actually minimise the windows... :-/
[01:50] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: u dont want it to restore them ?is that it?
[01:50] <Schuenemann> yes
[01:52] <bitlost> is it true i don't need an antivirus in linux?
[01:52] <izzyb_> yes
[01:52] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: so why u dont have 2 desktop?
[01:52] <GoodHabit> How to install restricted extras on amd64 platform?
[01:53] <xp_killer> virus
[01:53] <xp_killer> !virus
[01:53] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[01:53] <bitlost> absolutely 100% safe? even with no antivirus?
[01:53] <xp_killer> bitlost: ^^
[01:53] <Schuenemann> xp_killer, I don't need 2
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> bitlost, viruses are basically non-existant for nix
[01:54] <Schuenemann> bitlost, safeness isn't exacly related to viruses
[01:54] <bitlost> thanks.. will now read
[01:54] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: 2desktop is faster
[01:55] <izzyb_> no thoughts on why adept installer would be slow and unresponsive in gutsy 5?
[01:55] <Schuenemann> I don't like having 2
[01:55] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: insted of ctrl+alt+d
[01:55] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: just role the mouse and u clear to go
[01:55] <d347hm4n> is there a reference anywhere for 64-bit flash in kubuntu?
[01:55] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: lol so have 3 then
[01:55] <Schuenemann> I don't want my windows on 2 desktops... it becomes harder to manage
[01:56] <hitmanWilly> !64
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 64 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <hitmanWilly> !amd
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <hitmanWilly> !amd64
[01:56] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[01:56] <stdin> !flash64
[01:56] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[01:56] <xp_killer> Schuenemann: i dont see wa is hard in it
[01:56] <hitmanWilly> that's what i was looking for :)
[01:56] <d347hm4n> yea
[01:57] <xp_killer> stdin: do u understand french?
[01:57] <stdin> xp_killer: no
[01:58] <d347hm4n> thanks
[01:58] <d347hm4n> hope it werks
[01:59] <xp_killer> stdin: k.i havent problem understandin the search for files thing
[02:00] <xp_killer> stdin: like for example i lookin for a video name "sean paul" and i type sean it doesnt find the video do i have to rite the complet name?
[02:00] <stdin> xp_killer: you know there is a #kubuntu-fr and a #ubuntu-fr yes?
[02:01] <xp_killer> stdin: i know.i ask no answer so i came here
[02:02] <stdin> anyway, I don't use kfind, so I can't help with that
[02:02] <bitlost> so basically if im careful with root access a virus cant live here... right?
[02:02] <xp_killer> yes
[02:03] <xp_killer> but cant do nothing
[02:03] <xp_killer> :)
[02:03] <hitmanWilly> bitlost, worst case scenario, it eats your home folder
[02:03] <stdin> bitlost: there really aren't any viruses for linux anyway, and if you did actually manage to get one, it could only damage your files, not the systems
[02:04] <bitlost> yay... goodbye hors and hours cleaning virus infection to finally have to reinstall xp :D
[02:04] <bitlost> that's hours not hors
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> bitlost, welcome to the beauty of linux :)
[02:05] <stdin> bitlost: no need to de-fragment in linux either :)
[02:05] <bitlost> reallly??? no defrag???
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> stdin, at least not with journaled fs's :)
[02:05] <stdin> yep, not with ext3
[02:05] <bitlost> double yay
[02:06] <Cannoli> can someone please help me, my kubuntu display is completley messed up.
[02:06] <Cannoli> here is a screenie
[02:06] <Cannoli> http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/TMD-Cannoli/snapshot4.jpg
[02:06] <hitmanWilly> bitlost, basically, a journaled file system, like most on linux are, keeps it from getting fragmented in the first place
[02:07] <Cannoli> i recently installed the ati driver
[02:07] <bitlost> what is journaled file system?
[02:07] <Cannoli> i think thats whts causeing it to mess up
[02:07] <BluesKaj>  a caution , if you plan on dual booting window/linux then windows will still need anti virus
[02:08] <hitmanWilly> bitlost, its sort of like having a secretary for your filesystem, vice how a non-journaled system, like windows uses, just throws the files anywhere
[02:09] <stdin> hitmanWilly: nice explanation :)
[02:09] <bitlost> will install an av on the old window$
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> stdin, best i could come up with on short notice
[02:09] <bitlost> love my journaled thingie :D
[02:09] <stdin> hitmanWilly: no, it's actually very good, I'm going to steel it :p
[02:09] <BluesKaj> the filesystem is like a tree with branches , not with notes on the branches telling where to find the files :)
[02:10] <Cannoli> stdin can u please help m
[02:10] <Cannoli> me*
[02:10] <hitmanWilly> stdin, its under creative commons, so go for it :P
[02:10] <stdin> Cannoli: I looked, I have no clue why that would happen. does it happen with the free driver?
[02:10] <Cannoli> iunno
[02:10] <Cannoli> i just foloowed the !ati instructions
[02:11] <Cannoli> and it worked for a bit
[02:11] <Cannoli> but i just loaded lkubuntu and its like this
[02:11] <Cannoli> kubuntu*
[02:11] <Cannoli> is there any way i can go back to the default generic driver?
[02:12] <xp_killer> Cannoli: did u restart to see?
[02:12] <dwidmann|terra> Cannoli: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:12] <Cannoli> yes xp
[02:12] <stdin> Cannoli: or, press Alt-F2 and type in "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and change the "Driver "fglrx"" to "Driver "ati""
[02:14] <zgmf-x20a> ok so kkathman and BluesKaj you guys still here?
[02:14] <kkathman> yep
[02:14] <zgmf-x20a> cool... so the saga continues... lol
[02:14] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  so what was the result
[02:16] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, that depends ....   :)
[02:17] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: so now im met with a new error.  the installation went find, everything worked properly.  and yes it does ask you if you want to download, and first time around i selected no, second time i selected yes, but it didnt find anything anyways.  in either scenario however, it came up with the same error message when trying to start x after rebooting.  it said "Error: API mismatch: this nvidia driver
[02:17] <zgmf-x20a> component is version 100.14.09, but the nvidia kernal modules version does not match.  please make sure that the kernal module and all nvidia driver components have the same version"
[02:18] <Cannoli> stdin: then wht?
[02:18] <Cannoli> i saved and closed it
[02:18] <stdin> Cannoli: then logout and choose "Restart X server" from the login menu
[02:18] <Cannoli> kk
[02:19] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  edit your xorg.conf and see if in t changed your driver designation from "nv" to "nvivdia"
[02:19] <thomas_> OK i got Wine installed but when I try to run Warcraft III it runs, but is very slow and has no sound
[02:20] <soulrider> !partitions
[02:20] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:20] <thomas_> also I get many errors when I do it through console
[02:20] <soulrider> what command cna i use to see all partitions on all drives ?
[02:20] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  it will be in the device section under your monitor
[02:21] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: sorry what?  how do i do that?  also, o get my display back i used the reconfigure xorg command so i could get back in here and reset everything, just so you guys know.  i had no other ideqas of how else to get my display back
[02:21] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  hehe well that works (but copying that xorg back would have too
[02:21] <soulrider> !grub
[02:22] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:22] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: lol... but i wouldnt know how to copy it back without having a display
[02:22] <thomas_> OK i got Wine installed but when I try to run Warcraft III it runs, but is very slow and has no sound
[02:22] <zgmf-x20a> kk ok so anyways, what do i have to do to make it work?
[02:22] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  go to konqeror file management, navigate to /etc/X11  and right click on xorg.conf and look under the device section just below the monitor section
[02:22] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you did have a console tho right?
[02:23] <ehc> how do I make portable media (cds, flash drives etc.) show up on the desktop?
[02:23] <BluesKaj> soulrider, df -h
[02:24] <soulrider> BluesKaj, wont that list the size of the mounted ones?
[02:24] <kkathman> ehc I think you can go to kcontrol- appeance and themes- icons?
[02:25] <BluesKaj> yeah soulrider
[02:25] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes, i had console when i went thru that whole thing, thats how i got that message about the error and would try typing start x and that error came up.  also, for this right click on the xorg.conf file, it doesnt bring up anything likt that, its just the usual copy, paste, etc
[02:25] <kkathman> ehc no no - sorry - kcontrol - desktop - behavior - device icons
[02:26] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  right click and should be an option "open with"   just open with kate or kword to view
[02:26] <soulrider> BluesKaj, i forgot to add an ONLY at the end
[02:26] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman:
[02:26] <zgmf-x20a> Section "Device"
[02:26] <zgmf-x20a> 	Identifier	"Generic Video Card"
[02:26] <zgmf-x20a> 	Driver		"vesa"
[02:26] <zgmf-x20a> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[02:27] <Jucato> !paste | zgmf-x20a
[02:27] <ubotu> zgmf-x20a: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:27] <zgmf-x20a> Jucato: omg its only a few lines, relax
[02:27] <ehc> kkathman, thanks
[02:27] <kkathman> sure :)
[02:28] <hitmanWilly> zgmf-x20a, anything over three needs to go in a pastebin
[02:28] <zgmf-x20a> really?  ok, ill just type it out next time
[02:28] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well ok thats the prob I reckon... see its not recognizing that you have nvidia
[02:29] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes exactly, but if i cant start x after installing the driver, what am i to do?
[02:29] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  are you in X  and kde now?
[02:29] <zgmf-x20a> yes
[02:29] <ehc> kkathman, can I show only device icons and not files or programs?
[02:29] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i reconfiged xorg to get my display back
[02:30] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok,   kcontrol - Peripherals- Monitor & Display then tell me when you get there
[02:30] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: without it i would be lost.. lol
[02:30] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, kkathman , at least there's no conflict with old nvidia drivers ...that can be a prob
[02:30] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  hes on a generic tho
[02:30] <kkathman> so yeah
[02:31] <BluesKaj> so no drivers in the repos for the card ?
[02:31] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: where is k control?  do you just mean system settings and monitors and displays?
[02:31] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  alt-f2 and type kcontrol
[02:32] <osky> hola hay alguien por aqui?
[02:32] <zgmf-x20a> which section would you like information from kkathman?
[02:32] <stdin> !es | osky
[02:32] <ubotu> osky: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:32] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok now in the lower left corner - click on administrator mode and type in your password
[02:33] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup, and go to hardware im assuming?
[02:33] <kkathman> yep
[02:33] <zgmf-x20a> ok, and what here?
[02:33] <kkathman> click on the configue button zgmf-x20a
[02:33] <kkathman> next to the graphics card of course
[02:33] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, done
[02:34] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  now look in the list and see if you find your card
[02:34] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  under nvidia of course
[02:35] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup i went to manufactuer, hten nvidia, but there is nothing beyond the 7 series
[02:35] <kkathman> rats
[02:35] <kkathman> ok
[02:35] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  try choosing the generic nvidia then
[02:35] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yah, bc mine is the 8600m gs make
[02:36] <BluesKaj> wonder if you need the NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver
[02:36] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: which generic nvidia? there are a few to choose from here
[02:36] <hitmanWilly> yeah, the 8000's need the -new driver
[02:37] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  yah  hes got that
[02:37] <d347hm4n> hell the 7300 needs the new driver
[02:37] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  not the legacy
[02:37] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, is yours a quadro series
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> no it doesn't, it just suggests you use it :)
[02:37] <kkathman> you should always use the latest drivers tho IMHO
[02:37] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes i installled those earlier, and posted the ls on those items.  and no, i di not use legacy
[02:38] <kkathman> right you dont want to choose legacy :)
[02:38] <zgmf-x20a> cool.  and as for the quatro.... im honestly not sure
[02:39] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: so if i were to choose a generic driver, then go thru the shutting down x, trying to install the driver, etc, it wil work??
[02:39] <zgmf-x20a> a generic nvidia card that is
[02:40] <zgmf-x20a> erm driver
[02:40] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[02:41] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well if could be worth a try - see right now your xorg.conf has generic in it and it should at the very least have "nv"
[02:41] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  did you say you got the thing to compile??
[02:41] <hitmanWilly> the nv driver doesn't work with 8000 cards
[02:41] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  oh crap yer right
[02:41] <kkathman> forgot that
[02:41] <BluesKaj> kkathman, what about using synaptic or adept to install the driver ?
[02:42] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: well right now its on vesa, nv messes the screen up.  and yes it did compile and install absolutely fine.  BUT when trying to start x it gave me that error message that i posted when i got back
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> apt-get install nvidia-glx-new should work
[02:42] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  well he said he went through the regular ubuntu setup in the wiki
[02:42] <kkathman> thats worth a try too zgmf-x20a
[02:42] <zgmf-x20a> hitmanWilly: no that doesnt work, i tried that already
[02:42] <hydrogen>  the 8000's require nvidia drivers 100. ?
[02:42] <hydrogen> probably
[02:42] <kkathman> try the apt-get that hitmanWilly just posted
[02:43] <kkathman> cant hurt
[02:43] <hydrogen> and the 100 series drivers are only in gutsy
[02:43] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i have done that in the beggining with the walk thur, but i will do it again
[02:44] <hitmanWilly> zgmf-x20a, once that's done, try running sudo nvidia-xconfig
[02:44] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:44] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  you see any reason he should uninstall what he's got first?
[02:45] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: and BluesKaj ok, i have tried that .. again.. and ok, i will try that command now hitmanWilly.  last time i did it deselected the proper installation packages...
[02:45] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  he has 4 of the 5 files just not the nvidia-kernel thing
[02:45] <zgmf-x20a> hitmanWilly: ok i typed that and got this message
[02:45] <zgmf-x20a> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[02:45] <zgmf-x20a> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[02:45] <zgmf-x20a> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.con
[02:46] <hitmanWilly> kkathman, ok, how about he installs linux-restricted-modules?
[02:46] <zgmf-x20a> that was only 3 lines so i didnt need paste bin!  haha
[02:46] <BluesKaj> NVIDIA binary 'new' kernel module source
[02:46] <flaccid> blob
[02:46] <zgmf-x20a> hitmanWilly: i did that too early, i checked to see if it was installed in adept, it says it is
[02:46] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  I think he did
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> yeah, that should come automatically with the driver
[02:47] <kkathman> I used envy when I installed mine
[02:47] <zgmf-x20a> i followed that guide to the word and didnt work whatsoever
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> well, im still running 7000 cards here, so I don't really know all the 8000 quirks
[02:47] <BluesKaj> envy usually doesn't work on feisty
[02:48] <kkathman> well I guess it worked for me :)
[02:49] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  but its mixed signals on my system cuz xorg says I have nvidia, and I can verify 3d acceleration, but kcontol says I have nv so who knows?
[02:49] <BluesKaj> yeah, didn't work on ati
[02:49] <christopher> could someone help me with my grub bootloader, if refuses to boot vista now
[02:50] <zgmf-x20a> so kkathman BluesKaj hitmanWilly should i try going with a generic driver from nvidia, and then trying to install the proper driver again, and hopefully i can start x?
[02:50] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well you've got X started if yer in kde :)
[02:50] <kkathman> and its the generic driver too
[02:50] <BluesKaj> christopher , pastebin your  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:51] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes, i have x up and running right now, but remember that is becasue i reconfig xorg to get it back, and the proper drievs did not install b/c:
[02:51] <zgmf-x20a> "Error: API mismatch: this nvidia driver
[02:51] <zgmf-x20a> [20:17]  <zgmf-x20a> component is version 100.14.09, but the nvidia kernal modules version does not match.  please make sure that the kernal module and all nvidia driver components have the same version"
[02:52] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: yep thats because you didnt have the nvidia kernel module that I mentioned
[02:53] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup, and isnt that what we were looking for in the list?  and so if its not there should i go with a generic one that is listed and retry, or is there a place i can get this module?
[02:53] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, sudo apt-get install nvidia-new-kernel-source
[02:53] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: ok one moment
[02:53] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  do this real quick -  go to a konsole and type uname -a and tell me what kernel you have
[02:54] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: it says"Linux zgmf-x20a 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux"
[02:54] <christopher> title		Windows vista
[02:54] <christopher> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[02:54] <christopher> makeactive
[02:54] <christopher> chainloader +1
[02:54] <christopher> boot
[02:54] <kkathman> ok kewl
[02:54] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  do this then    sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic
[02:55] <zgmf-x20a> E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic    kkathman
[02:55] <kkathman> aha
[02:55] <kkathman> you dont have the repositories enabled
[02:55] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: !!?!?!?!  huh!?  it says they are in adept!
[02:55] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | christopher ... want to see the whole file
[02:55] <ubotu> christopher ... want to see the whole file: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:56] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: are you serious..... i cant believe that was the issue all along....
[02:57] <christopher> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36966/
[02:57] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  do this ---  open your sources manually - kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:58] <christopher> BluesKaj, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36966/
[02:58] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok it is open, but the document is blank????
[02:58] <kkathman> huh??
[02:58] <zgmf-x20a> seriously i kid you not, its blank
[02:58] <kkathman> ohh oops typo
[02:58] <kkathman> my bad
[02:59] <kkathman> sources.list
[02:59] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: lol
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> zgmf-x20a, that's a l, not a 1
[02:59] <kkathman> lol
[02:59] <kkathman> gah
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> oh, nm, too much grub lately lol
[02:59] <kkathman> you'll need to look in there and see if you see lines with "restricted" on the end
[03:00] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  like this:  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates main restricted
[03:01] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: im actually having an issue now getting that command to work... it freezes and does not bring me back to prompt
[03:01] <christopher> BluesKaj, i'm sorry, did I post it correctly
[03:02] <kkathman> hmm very odd
[03:02] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yahhhh very i think i broke my terminal!!!
[03:02] <BluesKaj> yes christopher , but it looks fine to me ...dunno why it's not giving you the vista option
[03:02] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[03:02] <kkathman> probably not
[03:03] <christopher> it gives me the vista option but does not boot, in fact it reboots
[03:03] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok yah still works, just did sudo apt-getupdate to see if it was ok
[03:04] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: so what command should i try to get the sources list up?
[03:04] <BluesKaj> christopher, comment out the 'boot' below chainloader
[03:04] <christopher> BluesKaj, ok
[03:04] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well, goto your alt-f2  and  type    kdesu kate
[03:05] <christopher> BluesKaj, now, vista is on partition one, is that what i have in grub?
[03:05] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  then let that come up, and then OPEN  /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: wait, can i type this in?  kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you should be able to yes
[03:06] <BluesKaj> christopher , there was an article about vista not using the MBR like XP does ...perhaps you could check with the ppl at #Vista
[03:06] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: what the heck!?  thats the command i used before for doing this and now doesnt work either!!  uh oh...
[03:06] <christopher> BluesKaj, ok
[03:07] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: ok just alt-f2 and do   kdesu kate
[03:08] <zgmf-x20a> there we go, ok im there
[03:08] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: would you like me to pastebin the contents?
[03:09] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well first, look in there and see if you have any of those lines that have "restricted" on the end of them
[03:09] <kingrayray> is there a quick and easy way to get rid of all the gnome/gtk crap from my k-menu?
[03:10] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes i do have lines with restricted on them
[03:11] <john> hello all
[03:11] <xp_killer> update
[03:11] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok then please pastebin the contents and let me see :)
[03:11] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: sounds good, one moment
[03:11] <john> i want to intall 3d beryl desktop.....where can i get this?
[03:12] <darksandman> jel ima neko iz hrvatske ili srbije???????????????????????///
[03:12] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36967/
[03:12] <ch40s> !beryl
[03:12] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:13] <xp_killer> john: install it from adept manager
[03:13] <john> ubuntu, im not uses to it......how can i find it on adept/
[03:14] <xp_killer> john: u on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:14] <john> kubuntu
[03:14] <xp_killer> john: go to K-menu>system>adept manager
[03:15] <john> ok
[03:16] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok found the prob
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: whats up?
[03:16] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  add these two lines to your sources.list, then save:
[03:16] <kkathman> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates main restricted
[03:16] <kkathman> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates main restricted
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: at the end??
[03:16] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  yeah thats fine
[03:17] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  save and do another sudo apt-get update
[03:17] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  then retry your sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic
[03:17] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, here goes
[03:18] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: same error... "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic"
[03:19] <kkathman> ok let me look some more in your sources...you must be missing something else
[03:19] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, should i repaste?
[03:19] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  nah I got it
[03:19] <john> xp_killer: i search beryl on adept manager...how do i install it?
[03:19] <kkathman> give me a few
[03:20] <MadDog011> how do you enable desktop sharing in kubuntu?!
[03:20] <xp_killer> stdin: wen i the pc starts reach to the grub it has 4kernel on 2 of the same the 2 that has show up has an option saying recovery mode or something how do i get rid of them?
[03:21] <stdin> xp_killer: you don't, you want the recovery mode options
[03:21] <xp_killer> john: if u see beryl clic on the names it will scrool down clic on install when u done choosen what u need press aply that is next to preview change
[03:22] <xp_killer> stdin: it has 2 recovery options do i need them?
[03:23] <xp_killer> stdin: how can i show u what shows on the grub boot page?
[03:23] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  uhm... go ahead and paste that file again please
[03:23] <stdin> xp_killer: you want at least 2 kernels installed at any one time, one that you are using and one older one in case the the newer one breaks
[03:24] <stdin> xp_killer: for each kernel installed there will be 2 entries, one normal and one recovery mode
[03:24] <xp_killer> oh ok
[03:24] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: cool sounds good
[03:24] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[03:24] <xp_killer> stdin: so whats the difference betwen 2 kernel?the old and new?
[03:25] <stdin> xp_killer: one is older than the other...
[03:25] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36968/
[03:25] <xp_killer> stdin: one day it just show up like that
[03:25] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  man yer sources are just like mine otherwise except I have awn and compiz added
[03:25] <kkathman> lemme check this dump
[03:25] <xp_killer> !kernel
[03:25] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[03:25] <stdin> xp_killer: that's because there was an update and it installed a newer kernel version
[03:26] <xp_killer> ok
[03:26] <tekstacy> can I run something that says it is GTK based? A package that was ment for ubuntu
[03:26] <Jucato> tekstacy: yes. no problems with that.
[03:26] <stdin> tekstacy: GTK/Gnome apps run fine on Kubuntu, and Qt/KDE apps run fine on Ubuntu
[03:26] <Jucato> it will just install the necessary GTK+/GNOME packages
[03:27] <tekstacy> cool, thanks guys
[03:27] <xp_killer> stdin: can i put my xp to be second?after linux?because its a long way down to choose xp
[03:27] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  so strange - they look just fine yet you arent getting that particular package and I bet you arent getting the libs either
[03:28] <stdin> xp_killer: no, you can have it 1st or last, but not in the middle. you can make it the default option selected if you want too
[03:28] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: probably not, and i have nooooooo idea how to fix such a thing
[03:28] <tekstacy> oic, it installed the program, and like 100 other things
[03:28] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I cant seem to tell what repo that package is supposed to be in
[03:29] <xp_killer> stdin: so if i put xp first linux that i choose will go last?
[03:29] <kkathman> its in the x11/non-free section but dont know which repo :)
[03:29] <stdin> xp_killer: if you put the entry for xp before the line "### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" then it will be first
[03:29] <zgmf-x20a> how many repos are there?? kkathman
[03:30] <john> xp_killer: what do i do next? after press aply that is next to preview change
[03:30] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well there are alot, but only a certain number are supported
[03:30] <xp_killer> stdin: if i upgrade to 7.10 will it add another kernel?
[03:30] <xp_killer> john: did it install?
[03:31] <stdin> xp_killer: yeah
[03:31] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: hmmm that def does not help then, cant add the non supported ones and just see what happens.. lol
[03:31] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I thought that adept would tell me what repos a package was in, but it doesnt
[03:31] <kkathman> lemme try something else
[03:31] <xp_killer> john: so witch mean i could be going back in fort to 7.10 to 7.04?
[03:32] <EightiesK> !VMware
[03:32] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:32] <zgmf-x20a> i as just trying that out right now aw well
[03:32] <john> xp_killer: it shows that it is installed on the adept manager list
[03:32] <xp_killer> john: check in the K-menu to see if u got a red crystal in system
[03:33] <john> no
[03:33] <john> xp_killer: on
[03:33] <john> xp_killer: no*
[03:33] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: what about nvidia new kernal source?
[03:34] <xp_killer> john: install in adept manager beryl for kubuntu,beryl manager,
[03:35] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  lemme go eat and i'll be back..  in the meantime - try going into your kmenu - system and launch the synaptic package manager and search for nvidia and see what comes up - I'll be back in 30 or so
[03:36] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok that sounds good, and im going to grab a bite as well, this issue has made me hungry... lol
[03:42] <kgx> hey. is there a software license that desribes a software as being free to districbute, but restricts it being modified or decompiled?
[03:43] <hydrogen> mm
[03:43] <hydrogen> pick almost any freeware project out there
[03:43] <hydrogen> and theres your license
[03:44] <Jucato> yeah... that would be probably called a "proprietary license" :)
[03:45] <kgx> most random ones i can think of can be modified and those that can't have their own little license agreement that says it can't be be modified...i guess i should just write something similar :)
[03:45] <xp_killer> john: alors?
[03:45] <hydrogen> or just open it up to the public
[03:46] <hydrogen> public domain++
[03:46] <Jucato> freeware is not the same as free software
[03:47] <hydrogen> one might think of freeware as freebeer(tm)
[03:47] <Jucato> hydrogen: public domain won't restrict modification and decompiling right? it has no restrictions at all?
[03:47] <Jucato> hm.. anyway offtopic hehehe
[03:47] <hydrogen> Jucato: yea
[03:48] <hydrogen> public domain is "I claim no rights over this what soever"
[03:48] <hydrogen> maybe thats one word
[03:48] <Jucato> yeah, it is :P
[03:53] <john> xp_killer: i install beryl for kubuntu, how do i get the cube?
[03:54] <EightiesK> middle click and drag
[03:55] <bobleny> Hi!
[03:57] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: when you get back, i am trying out a theory if im not here when you get back, but ill brb... hopefully i dont mangle up my system trying this...
[03:58] <bobleny> I have a question, I just installed Ubuntu on a laptop, and pluged in my ethernet cable... I went to network setting to set up the network. Problem is though, there is no Network interfaces.... I don't know what to do?
[03:59] <john> i need help with beryl?
[03:59] <bobleny> Do you john?
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, what does ifconfig show?
[03:59] <EightiesK> !ntfs-g3
[03:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs-g3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <xp_killer> john: u didnt install all?
[04:00] <EightiesK> !ntfs-3g
[04:00] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:00] <Jucato> !beryl | john
[04:00] <ubotu> john: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:00] <john> bobleny: yes.... i install beryl for kubuntu
[04:01] <bobleny> hitmanwilly, what info should I get from ifconfig?
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, it should show you all your network interfaces, up or down
[04:03] <xp_killer> stdin: where can i paste a pic to show someone?
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, could you pastebin the output of ifconfig?
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> !paste | bobleny
[04:03] <ubotu> bobleny: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:03] <Jucato> xp_killer: http://imageshack.us perhaps
[04:03] <bobleny> Yeah, I'm working on it....
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> ok :)
[04:04] <josue> good evening, how to prevent ubuntu automatically mount the windows partitions at startup?
[04:07] <stdin> josue: edit /etc/fstab and remove the "auto" option from the line(s) describing the windows partition(s)
[04:08] <xp_killer> josue: this is all what i install to get beryl working: clic --------> http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3cl9.png
[04:08] <josue> stdin: there is no "auto" option in the lines of the ntfs volumes
[04:09] <bobleny> Sigh... I forgot how to mount my flash drive...
[04:09] <stdin> josue: then they won't mount at boot...
[04:09] <xp_killer> john:  : this is all what i install to get beryl working: clic --------> http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3cl9.png
[04:10] <josue> stdin: they are mounting each time ubuntu starts
[04:10] <bobleny> sda!
[04:10] <stdin> bobleny: use pmount: "pmount /dev/sda1 flash-drive" for instance, will mount /dev/sda1 as /media/flash-drive
[04:10] <hydrogen> stdin: err, you have it backwards
[04:10] <hydrogen> you need to explicitly add 'noauto'
[04:10] <hydrogen> for it not to mount at boot
[04:11] <josue> this the /etc/fstab for those partitions: http://rafb.net/p/eIZwth42.html
[04:11] <hydrogen> after the locale=blah add ,noauto
[04:11] <stdin> hydrogen: that's only if one uses the "defaults" option
[04:11] <hydrogen> or ,noauto,user
[04:11] <hydrogen> to mount as user
[04:12] <hydrogen> to be able to mount as user
[04:12] <hydrogen> stdin: which most everyone does..
[04:12] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok... no more theories... that was a scary moment...
[04:13] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok yeah Im back
[04:13] <bobleny> No wonder it wouldnt mount, it wasn't pluged in all the way....
[04:13] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: did you read my posts... had a theory... was a BAD theory... made bad things happen
[04:14] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  did you happen to open up synaptic and search nvidia?
[04:14] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: actually wait, its still installed and i booted this time... hmm, let me see soemthing then,,,
[04:14] <john> xp_killer: ok, i think i need to install alittle bit more then
[04:17] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: no i didnt get to do that,  i had a theory that i could install that nvidia new kernal source package, which i did, and it did change the hardware to nvidia on its own after doing so, but then i wanted to try and install the driver, but trying to shut down x came with a series of errors, and then it would auto restart everytime at the splash screen.  so i went into safe mode, areconfig xorg again,
[04:17] <zgmf-x20a> and now it is vesa hardware, but the package is still installed
[04:18] <bobleny> Ok hitmanwilly, sorry it took me so long... :'(    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36971/plain/
[04:18] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  lol, well good thinking tho
[04:18] <kkathman> we have to get the kernel module installed
[04:19] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yah thought i would give a go, see if it worked, but i giess that module is not part of that package
[04:19] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  open up the synaptic package manager under the kmenu system
[04:19] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i have adept though, i dont have synapetic
[04:19] <tekstacy> does k monitor temp and control fan speed in my laptop as good as xp?
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, ok, it looks like the driver for your ethernet card isn't loading, all that's listed is the loopback
[04:20] <xp_killer> synatic is not that good
[04:20] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you should have synaptic too I think...check under kmenu  then system
[04:20] <bobleny> Hitmanwilly, ok, what can I do?
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, do you know the brand/model of the laptop?
[04:21] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: nope, just adept on this one
[04:21] <bobleny> IBM thinkpad...
[04:21] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok... well start the adept package manager then (not the updater)
[04:22] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: however, i do now have the nvidia x server settings
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, ok, i would suggest googling for the exact make/model of ethernet card, and installing the driver module for it
[04:22] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok lets just take a peek at the adept settings
[04:22] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  open adept package manager
[04:23] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup im in the package manager
[04:23] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok - click on Adept on the menu and then mange repositories
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, it may even be already installed, just not loading
[04:23] <kkathman> cleverly enough this is the same gnome screen in synaptic :)
[04:23] <bobleny> How do I know?
[04:24] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup
[04:24] <kkathman> ok got that?
[04:24] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes im there
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, heh, try modprobing the module and see if it loads
[04:24] <john> xp_killer: ok i have a red crystal in system
[04:24] <kkathman> ok double check that  the third option down is checked - in fact they ALL should be marked
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, actually, can you pastebin the output of lspci
[04:25] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: there are only 3 listings there.  2 are for cdrom and the third is for skype
[04:25] <xp_killer> john: it's the red one u have to clic on
[04:26] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok you have the wrong tab
[04:26] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: im in the "third party software" tab
[04:26] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: ckick on the Kubuntu Software Tab
[04:27] <zgmf-x20a> ooo kkathman sorry.  yes they are all checked off
[04:27] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: ok kewl
[04:27] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: back to the main screen
[04:28] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok im there
[04:28] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  search   nvidia
[04:28] <zgmf-x20a> yup, have that open
[04:29] <kkathman> ok
[04:29] <kkathman> how many things do you see?
[04:30] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: 16 items
[04:30] <kkathman> ok kewl... now... in that list do you see an item that starts "nvidia-kernel..."
[04:31] <kkathman> actually should be 3 items
[04:31] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i only see 2, they are source and common
[04:31] <kkathman> hmm
[04:32] <kkathman> Im so much at a loss
[04:32] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: of which common is installed
[04:32] <kkathman> I cant figure out why you arent seeing the kernel module and thats what you need
[04:32] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[04:32] <zgmf-x20a> dang
[04:33] <kkathman> sigh
[04:33] <kkathman> its crazy - you have the same repos as me
[04:33] <zgmf-x20a> there is also, "nvidia-legacy-kernal-source" and "nvidia-new-kernal-source"
[04:34] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: those are the only others with the word kernal
[04:35] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you installed nvidia-glx right?
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> i think he installed the -new ones
[04:36] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i did that beofre, when following the tutorial, but it will get to a point, that install another package, but it will make me remove that package.... its messed up, but would you like me to do it again?
[04:36] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  man I cant figure out why he doesnt have the kernel specific module
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> got me...
[04:37] <zgmf-x20a> lol.....  oi vey....
[04:37] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you didnt try to install nvidia-settings or nvidia-xconfig did you?
[04:38] <john23> xp_killer: beryl just messed up on me, it gave me a white screen
[04:38] <bobleny> Hitmanwilly: Sorry it so long again... It wouldn't copy over, then it wouldn't let me post it... :'(    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36973/plain/
[04:39] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup, i tried that before.  first time around, it said i would break packages.  so it didnt.  second time around, following the walk thru i did and i think doing that would make the glx uninstall if i remeber correctly
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, well, I see a winmodem, but no ethernet card...
[04:39] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  yep it does
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, ok, try lshw and pastebin that...sorry
[04:39] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  one more thing you might try
[04:39] <zgmf-x20a> yah it exaclty, but it says if you are using kubuntu to do that
[04:39] <zgmf-x20a> argh
[04:40] <xp_killer> john23: lol did u try it 2 times?
[04:40] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, whats that?
[04:40] <john23> xp_killer: yes
[04:40] <xp_killer> john23: is your graph card good enought?
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, this is an ethernet card, not a regular modem, right?
[04:41] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  do your sudo dpkg -l | grep bvidia, write down those items and then do a sudo apt-get --purge remove  on each one of them, then do that install of the new nvidia-glx thing
[04:41] <kkathman> nvidia not bvidia
[04:42] <bobleny> Right, it has both...
[04:42] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  in other words, get rid of anything in your system thats nvidia and reinstall the new nvidia thing
[04:42] <sqlcoder> what would you consider the "best" ERP software for linux , OSS or comercial??
[04:42] <bobleny> It is plugged into my router right now...
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, ok, is it a pcmcia card?
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, or built into the laptop
[04:43] <bobleny> Built in...
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, ok, do the lshw cmd then
[04:43] <zgmf-x20a> so let me get this straight, i purge all these files, and then install the driver from the package i downloaded before direct from their website, or, from the repos
[04:43] <zgmf-x20a> ?
[04:43] <john23> xp_killer: NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 Graphics chipset, PCI Express x16
[04:44] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: so let me get this straight, i purge all these files, and then install the driver from the package i downloaded before direct from their website, or, from the repos?
[04:45] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well the driver you downloaded from the nvidia website isnt really a driver, its a script that tries to install/build a kernel interface
[04:45] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: oh.  so do i use that or install from repos?
[04:45] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  the nvidia things that you need have to be intimately tied to the kernel
[04:46] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  so you can compile it yourself using the nvidia thing but that does you no good if the kernel doesnt recognize
[04:46] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  so  theoretically you dont even need that file from the nvidia site
[04:46] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: right.  sooo i purge all these things, and use the repos then?
[04:47] <zgmf-x20a> and dont bother with the file i downloaded
[04:47] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  so, purge/remove all nvidia things, then do that nvidia-glx thing that hitmanWilly suggested
[04:47] <john23> xp_killer: can you send me that screen shot again?
[04:48] <bobleny> Hitmanwilly: Had fewer problems this time :')    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36974/plain/
[04:48] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  i.e. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:49] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: um issue.  i tried to purge and got this error:
[04:49] <zgmf-x20a> Package rc is not installed, so not removed
[04:49] <zgmf-x20a> Package nvidia-glx is not installed, so not removed
[04:49] <xp_killer> john23: http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3cl9.png
[04:49] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: not sure if im doing it right...
[04:50] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: sudo apt-get --purge remove rc  nvidia-glx                                 1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29                NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[04:50] <zgmf-x20a> kk is that correct?
[04:50] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  whats the rc ?
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, ok, for some reason your ethernet card isn't registering at all...at least not that I can see.  I would suggest going to google and searching to see if there are any known issues with this model of laptop
[04:51] <droach> i plugged my cell phone into my pc (via usb) how do i know what device it is
[04:51] <bobleny> Guh..
[04:51] <vers> how do i get .ogg files to play on my box
[04:51] <bobleny> No!
[04:51] <bobleny> Ok..... Thanks for the help!
[04:51] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: not sure.. it says it at the beggning of the file after i used the ls command.  the first 2 say rc, the second 2 say ii and the last says ic
[04:52] <kkathman> ohhh
[04:52] <kkathman> lol
[04:52] <vers> i DLed a discography and all of the files r .ogg and ive never seen this before
[04:52] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  just use the package name like nvidia-glx
[04:52] <droach> i plugged my cell phone into my pc (via usb) how do i know what device it is
[04:52] <kkathman> and you can put them all on one line
[04:52] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: oh ok, ill try that
[04:53] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: really? not sure how though so ill go one by obe
[04:53] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  like this:  sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common  etc etc
[04:54] <vers> what is .ogg files
[04:54] <vers> can anyone help
[04:54] <Rasbrev> X11!
[04:54] <kkathman> vers: ogg is an audio format
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> vers, its another way to store audio, like .mp3
[04:55] <Rasbrev> !x11
[04:55] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:55] <vers> how do i play them thi
[04:55] <vers> tho*
[04:55] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok cool, its doing its thin
[04:55] <kkathman> good
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> vers, should be built in to any linux audio player
[04:55] <zgmf-x20a> kk ok they are all removed
[04:55] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  so is it nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ??
[04:55] <vers> it brings up kate when i try to play them
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> kkathman, for the 8000's, -new
[04:56] <kkathman> ok
[04:56] <kkathman> thanks
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> vers, right click, open with
[04:56] <john> xp_killer: again it gave me the white screen....what do you think of this?
[04:56] <vers> k
[04:56] <vers> thanks
[04:57] <vers> hitmanwilly: it say that the file type is not supported trought Amarok
[04:58] <vers> is there any others i can use
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> vers, vlc, xmms, juk, kaffeine, xine...
[04:59] <vers> thanks
[04:59] <john> did anyone have a problem with beryl, i keep on getting a white screen
[05:01] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: hey sry was afk for a second had to move my car
[05:02] <zgmf-x20a> so, from adept, install the nvidia glx new?
[05:03] <Cannoli> why does kubuntu only let u use one version of adept or program like it at  a time?
[05:04] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman:  you still around?
[05:04] <kkathman> sure
[05:06] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: o ok, so JUST the glx new, there are currently no others installed
[05:07] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: hold a sec lemme check something
[05:07] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok sounds good
[05:08] <saizai> I've got an issue... my KDE won't start, and the best lead I have is this error: No database available when running kbuildsycoca. Any help please? (I'm running from tty, so light on links please since it'll have to open in lynx...)
[05:08] <Cannoli> !mount
[05:08] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:09] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok go for it
[05:09] <Cannoli> how do i mount other drives?
[05:09] <Cannoli> !diskmounter
[05:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[05:09] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok here goes
[05:10] <Cannoli> !fstab
[05:10] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:10] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  lemme know how it goes
[05:11] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: currently.... a big download... lol
[05:11] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you did the nvidia-glx-new right?
[05:11] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup
[05:12] <kkathman> ok kewl
[05:12] <neptunepink> is there a way to pass arguments to the kernel from grub to specify a custom init/upstart/script?
[05:12] <Cannoli> zgmf-x20a: do u know the ! command for mounting drives
[05:12] <Cannoli> >?
[05:12] <Cannoli> ?
[05:12] <Cannoli> !drives
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drives - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <neptunepink> !mount
[05:13] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:13] <squallleon> greetings, somebody who could help me with a soundcard matter in kubuntu 7.0.4
[05:13] <Cannoli> srry ntfs mounting
[05:13] <Cannoli> !ntfs
[05:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:13] <Cannoli> !ntfs-3g
[05:13] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:14] <john> need help with beryl?
[05:15] <squallleon> somebody who could help me?
[05:15] <zgmf-x20a> Cannoli: actually no, but it is VERY simple to do using gparted, which you can download and install from the repos
[05:16] <saizai> also, mv .kde .kdebackup did not fix the problem
[05:16] <saizai> I just get booted into a konsole and default desktop background and nothing else
[05:16] <saizai> no kdesktop, no kicker, nothin
[05:16] <squallleon> anyone can help me with a soundcard matter?
[05:17] <Cannoli> zgmf-x20a: thanx
[05:18] <zgmf-x20a> Cannoli: no worries.  ive only been thru the mounting proceedure once before when i used to have multiple drives, but anyways, long story short, gparted is the gui way of mounting
[05:18] <john> can anyone help with beryl?
[05:18] <kkathman> john:  what problems are you having?
[05:18] <Cannoli> yea but i just need to mount 2 ntfs drives
[05:19] <Cannoli> so imma use ntfs-config
[05:19] <Cannoli> it easily reads/writes
[05:19] <Cannoli> :D
[05:19] <squallleon> anyone can help with a soundcard?
[05:20] <john> kkathman: i dl beryl package, when i click on the breyl manager, nuthin happens
[05:21] <kkathman> john:  please explain what you did ??  did you follow a guide?
[05:23] <kkathman> !beryl | john
[05:23] <ubotu> john: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:24] <john> kkathman: how can i send you a screen shot?
[05:26] <squallleon> will nobody help me? =(
[05:26] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, its all up and running, what should i do now?
[05:26] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: well installed is what i mean
[05:27] <xp_killer> john:/me tanks
[05:27] <xp_killer> lol
[05:27] <Cannoli> XD
[05:27] <xp_killer> john: hey
[05:27] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok kewl  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[05:27] <john> xp_killer: yes
[05:27] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman:
[05:27] <zgmf-x20a> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[05:27] <zgmf-x20a> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[05:27] <zgmf-x20a> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[05:27] <xp_killer> does the white screen stays on long?
[05:28] <prak> does anyone here know of any good laptop review sites?
[05:28] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  excellent - now try a ctrl-alt-backspace and hope for the nvidia spashscreen
[05:34] <squallleon> anyone can help me with a soundcard matter? or at least tell me about a channel where i can find help...
[05:34] <enjoi1216> hey i have a crazy question does anybody know how to get myspace to workwith Kubuntu
[05:35] <savetheWorld> should just work (ugh)
[05:35] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  myspace.com ??
[05:36] <jhutchins> enjoi1216: Um, myspace is a web service.  Browser dependent.  If konq doesn't work, try firefox or opera.
[05:36] <kkathman> lol
[05:36] <kkathman> yeah
[05:36] <jhutchins> enjoi1216: Nothing kubuntu specific about it.
[05:36] <kkathman> konq works, ff works and opera works
[05:36] <logixoul> I have a package installed from a repo. I wanna substitute it with another version of the package, which I have compiled. Lots of stuff depends on this package. What's the recommended procedure?
[05:37] <kkathman> logixoul:  if you've compiled successfully, just run the new program
[05:37] <logixoul> kkathman: it's a library.
[05:38] <kkathman> logixoul:  but you've compiled?
[05:38] <john> xp_killer: i can run beryl manager, but for some reason i can get the cube to work
[05:38] <logixoul> kkathman: yep
[05:38] <kkathman> logixoul:  then that means everything is ok
[05:38] <enjoi1216> there needs to be some hot looking chicks in this room
[05:38] <prak> does anyone here know of any good laptop review sites?
[05:38] <kkathman> logixoul:  if there were compatibility probs you wouldnt have been able to compile
[05:39] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: nope...  but i have a new message for you!  lol.  let me type it out.
[05:39] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok
[05:39] <enjoi1216> are there any females in this room
[05:39] <logixoul> kkathman: well, no. I have compiled it, but I haven't installed it, because I don't wanna mess up the already installed version (which is tracked by the package database)
[05:39] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  this isnt a cyber room, its a support channel
[05:39] <enjoi1216> well yeah i know that
[05:40] <enjoi1216> just because you are looking for a chick doesn't mean you are trying to cyber
[05:40] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  this isnt the place to ask those kinds of questions
[05:40] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  whats the new message?
[05:40] <enjoi1216> kkathman needs to sit in the freezer and take a chill
[05:41] <logixoul> kkathman: well, since I only need the compiled version for development, I guess I'll install it in some separate prefix. thanks anyway ;)
[05:41] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  er James, what are you 13?  please follow the channel guidelines that can be found in the channel topic, thanks
[05:41] <kkathman> logixoul:  I thin you should be fine
[05:42] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so.  (next line = NL)  NL failed to load module"glx" (loader failed,7)  NL  Failed to intialize the GLX module.  please check in your x log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your x server, and that the module is the nvidia GLX module.  if you continue to encounter problems please try to reinstall the nvidia driver.  NL  Fatal: Error running
[05:42] <zgmf-x20a> install command for nvidia.  NL  failed to load nvidia kernal module.
[05:42] <john> kkathman: i can run beryl manager, but for some reason i can get the cube to work
[05:42] <enjoi1216> ok i didn't know chill out
[05:42] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ps, i reconfig  xorg again to get my screen back
[05:43] <squallleon> SOMEBODY! HELP!!! I have a Soundblaster Live! 5.1, and it doesn't work in kubuntu!!!
[05:43] <enjoi1216> well how exactly do i go about downloading firefox for kubuntu
[05:44] <zgmf-x20a> enjoi1216: the repos, just type it in to adept
[05:44] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: darn I think maybe we just needed to reboot X
[05:44] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  if you successfully installed kubuntu, firefox is already there
[05:45] <enjoi1216> buyt couldn't i go there through konquerer and download it direct
[05:45] <Doctor_Nick> squallleon: good thing you used all those exclamation points, otherwise we wouldn't have seen your plea for help
[05:45] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  kubuntu comes with firefox you need not install it
[05:45] <enjoi1216> i don't see it on my start programs list
[05:45] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: really!?  aww.  so wait does that mean i have to get rid of those files again,and redownload again?
[05:45] <squallleon> Doctor_Nick: thank you!! can you help me?
[05:46] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I think maybe we need to try to do the nvidia-xconfig again, then log out and reboot ... that way the x server will be shut down and restarted with the new xorg
[05:46] <jhutchins> squallleon: we would need to know what is happening. "Doesn't work' just doesn't mean anything.
[05:46] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  if that doesnt work then Im out of ideas my friend :)
[05:46] <zgmf-x20a> ok so lets get it open again, one sec
[05:46] <zgmf-x20a> uh oh...
[05:46] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[05:47] <xp_killer> john: ctrl+alt+mouse
[05:47] <enjoi1216> kkathman it's not in my programs list i am going to have to download it
[05:47] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  are you in kde right now?
[05:47] <john> nuthin happens
[05:47] <enjoi1216> how to i go about doing it i'm not sure
[05:47] <enjoi1216> ??
[05:47] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, so i did sudo nvidia-xconfig, now what should i do?
[05:47] <squallleon> jhutchins: Ok! It is recognized by kubuntu, as a SB Live! 5.1, but it doesn't works... I have the same problem in another distribution(Mandriva), it says my card uses the emu-snd101k driver, but it just doesn't work...
[05:48] <john> xp_killer: nuthin happens
[05:48] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  try just logging off, and reboot the computer
[05:48] <enjoi1216> tell me how i do it step by step hands on kkathman
[05:48] <zgmf-x20a> so log off, then ctrl alt del to restart im guessing?  not full restart
[05:48] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  press alt-f2   then in the box type   firefox    and hit return
[05:49] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: so log off, then ctrl alt del to restart im guessing?  not full restart
[05:49] <enjoi1216> kkathman it's not in my programs list
[05:49] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  yea thats fine
[05:49] <xp_killer> john: ctrl+alt+left buttin mouse
[05:49] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, brb
[05:49] <enjoi1216> i promise man i'm not kidding you at all about this
[05:49] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  what happens when you hit alt-f2
[05:50] <enjoi1216> it wants me to run a command
[05:50] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  ok  type    firefox
[05:50] <kkathman> then hit return
[05:50] <enjoi1216> and it tells me could not run the specified command
[05:51] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  hmm ok well you must not have completely finished your installation
[05:51] <prak> does anyone here know of any good laptop review sites?
[05:51] <xp_killer> john: right clic the crystal in the bar choos select window *** beryl
[05:51] <enjoi1216> i did completely finish my installation
[05:51] <kkathman> prak:  try google
[05:51] <enjoi1216> because i did a fresh install last night
[05:51] <enjoi1216> i'm not that stupid
[05:52] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  well, really something odd then because every kubuntu install comes with firefox :)
[05:52] <xp_killer> my pc just slow down tramendisly why is that?
[05:52] <prak> kkathman: i already tried, but they haven't returned any sites that are accurate for the particular laptop that i'm trying to review
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> kkathman, uhhh....
[05:52] <kkathman> prak what laptop?
[05:52] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  ??
[05:52] <enjoi1216> then how do i go about downloading it
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> kkathman, the ff comment...
[05:53] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  well I suppose you could install from the repositories then
[05:53] <jhutchins> squallleon: I'm out of time, but if you tell us what does happen, that will make it possible for us to help.  "Doesn't help" == "Can't get to moon".
[05:53] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  what firefox comment?
[05:53] <prak> Satellite A200-AH6, kkathman
[05:53] <prak> by toshiba
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> sorry, my sarcasm detector is a little off tonight
[05:54] <enjoi1216> kkathman i went to the website directly
[05:54] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: .................. no dice........ :(
[05:55] <squallleon> I already told it... It is recognized well by kubuntu, as a SB Live! 5.1, it says it is using the emu-snd101k driver, but no sound can be heard...
[05:55] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i think im out of luck on this one arent i?
[05:55] <john> xp_killer: window management icon?
[05:55] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  wow Im stumped
[05:56] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yah... it was the same error msg btw
[05:56] <kkathman> sigh
[05:56] <xp_killer> john: choose beryl
[05:56] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  maybe someone else will be able to solve the problem - we've been all around it
[05:57] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: trust me im sighing more... this resolution is the pitsssss
[05:57] <kkathman> hitmanWilly:  did I say something wrong about firefox??
[05:57] <john> xp_killer: i got the white screen again
[05:57] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i dunno man, it seems that we have been tackling it from every angle
[05:57] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  Im sorry man...really bites that the 8000 wont work with the generic
[05:58] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: im thinking the last resort is now i have those glx installed, i could try that downloaded package and see if it works this time around?
[05:58] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: but i also think that wont work
[05:58] <xp_killer> john: lol can u show me your white screen?
[05:58] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  at this point its worth a shot - you might also hit the forums and see if you find something there
[05:58] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yahh...  you maybe have any idea when they will have some good support??
[05:59] <j1solutions> hello
[05:59] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  like I said - hit the forums - maybe someone else has solved it
[05:59] <john> the whole screen goes white
[05:59] <john> xp_killer: the whole screen goes white
[05:59] <enjoi1216> kkathman i went and downloaded the program and it downloaded now i don't know how to get it to run on my system
[05:59] <enjoi1216> i don't know if i need to redownload firefox again
[05:59] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yah ill give that a surf.  actually i do have another major hardware issue though that you might be able to help out with, but if youve had enought thats cool too
[06:00] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  well, I think maybe you should try to install via the repositories first
[06:00] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I'll try :)
[06:00] <enjoi1216> ok well how do i go about doing that
[06:00] <xp_killer> john: so if everything goes white how u getting tru to see what u rite?
[06:00] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  go to your adept package manager (its on your kmenu under system
[06:01] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  or you can go to the add/remove packages
[06:01] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: lol awesome.  well, its actually the cd rom drive.  no support whatsoever.  i put any media in and it does not register.  but keep in mind, it is a laptop and i installed this distro via the cd rom driove.  any idea how i can get it up and running?
[06:01] <xp_killer> john: when i activat beryl some parts of the screen goes white then come back good and there i can play with the cube
[06:02] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  hmm let me think about that a sec
[06:02] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  best to go to the add/remove packages
[06:02] <john> xp_killer: everything goes white....then i boot wyself out of x-windows.....then i log back in
[06:02] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: cool.  yah its a weird issue.  i remebr checking to see if it was in my hardware and i think it wasent
[06:03] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  then click on the internet on the left side - scroll on the right and select Firefox
[06:03] <enjoi1216> i have add remove prgrams not packages
[06:03] <xp_killer> kkathman: for the past 5days everytime i download something the pc slows down.do u know why is that?
[06:03] <john> xp_killer: *myself
[06:03] <enjoi1216> programs
[06:03] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  that'll work :)
[06:03] <enjoi1216> ok now what i'm there
[06:04] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  look up and I spelled it out for you :)
[06:04] <zgmf-x20a> actually also, while kkathman gives that a think, anyone here using skype at all???
[06:04] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  can you go to konq file manager and look under /media   and see if you have cdrom ??
[06:05] <xp_killer> john: did u give it a chance to see if it come back normal?because mine does bug out to when i lunch it then it comes back normal.it does bug untill 6second
[06:05] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: it says cdrom0 yes.  but i can put media in, double click that icon, and i get nothing
[06:05] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ill try it again right now
[06:05] <john> xp_killer: ill see, but it is out from then 6sec
[06:06] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup, nothing, no response
[06:06] <xp_killer> stdin:  for the past 5days everytime i download something the pc slows down.do u know why is that?
[06:06] <Cannoli> how do i naviate in konsole?
[06:06] <Cannoli> like whts the cd.. or dir?
[06:06] <Cannoli> navigate*
[06:06] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  take a gander at this post and see if it gives you any ideas on the nvidia thing   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=524913&highlight=nvidia+8000
[06:06] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  oooo thats bad if the system doesnt recognize it at all
[06:06] <j1solutions> anyone running hairy beaver on an IBM thinkpad?
[06:06] <kkathman> oh wait
[06:07] <kkathman> you said that it had cdrom thats good
[06:07] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  when you click on the cdrom0  does anything happen - like does it bring up a blank directory?
[06:08] <Cannoli> ?
[06:08] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes it does.  also, get this.  when going the other route, pulling up the storage media way, in the left hand column i click vidoe dvd browser, which is the drive, it gives this error "could not start process.  unable to create io-slave"
[06:09] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes it brings up a blank directory
[06:09] <Cannoli> !konsole
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok
[06:09] <Cannoli> !terminal
[06:09] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:09] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  actually I've never really used my cd on my system so Im not going to be much help :)
[06:10] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  lets try this -   alt-f2  type  kinfocenter and click on the CD ROM Information on the left
[06:10] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: lol.... crap.  haha.  ok.  well the thing to keep in mind is the device works absoultely fine, tried it over on my 27gb vista partian and works totally fine.
[06:11] <enjoi1216> you know kkathman i don't know why microsoft couldn't make their new windows that they are coming out with like linux
[06:11] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: it says no information available about cd-ron info
[06:11] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  well I think they tried with vista but failed :)
[06:11] <john> xp_killer: what hardware do need need to run beryl?
[06:12] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  hmm theres something not quite right there :) one sec
[06:12] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: also, fyi, vista is just for games... if only i could get wc3 to work with wine... no need for vista
[06:12] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok, let me know if you know
[06:12] <enjoi1216> well i don't see why microsoft doesn't merge with Linus Torvalds or merge with apple
[06:13] <convulsia> zgmf-x20a : you might try cedega
[06:13] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  kcontrol - peropherals - storage media and lets see if you get any CD related things
[06:14] <enjoi1216> does anyone in here own an apple computer
[06:15] <Cannoli> how would i use this command "./ipodpatcher --scan"
[06:15] <Cannoli> ?
[06:15] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup the usual is there.  amarok, digicam, k3b options
[06:16] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok  lets make sure its mounted - kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[06:16] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  see if you have a line in there that looks like:   /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[06:18] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i have:  /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[06:18] <john> xp_killer: my screen goes completely white, but when i CTRL + ALT + LEFT MOUSE i can see the cube turning, but it it only white and blue screen and very poor video graphics...i can only see the cube backside lines
[06:18] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  nope thats your hard disk
[06:18] <kkathman> oh waiat
[06:18] <kkathman> weird
[06:18] <xp_killer> for the past 5days everytime i download something the pc slows down.do u know why is that?
[06:19] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: lol
[06:19] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  paste your fstab in a pastebin please
[06:19] <Cannoli> xp_killer: how would i use this command "./ipodpatcher --scan"?
[06:19] <kkathman> that looks strange to have a cdrom as the first thing
[06:19] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: just going to say that, ok one sec
[06:19] <kkathman> mine is hdc
[06:19] <kkathman> i mean I guess it could be ok
[06:20] <xp_killer> Cannoli: i dont know
[06:20] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36977/
[06:20] <Cannoli> kk
[06:20] <Cannoli> thanx anywayz
[06:21] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok thats fine
[06:21] <kkathman> you have sata drives
[06:22] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  so you put a cd in your drive and basically nothing happens?
[06:22] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes exactly, so that wasent the issue, i was thinking maybe sata support?  not sure
[06:23] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes thats exactl what happens
[06:23] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: and once in, i cannot access the information of any type of media
[06:23] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  its a cd/dvd or just a cd ?
[06:23] <zgmf-x20a> cd dvd burner
[06:24] <xp_killer> john: i tink your nvidea might be config bad
[06:24] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: what happens if you put a cd in there and then you try to access it via, say k3b ??
[06:24] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: not sure let me try
[06:25] <xp_killer> john: try befor running beryl deactivit every graph option in defaul for kubuntu even animations
[06:25] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you dont really even need to put a cd in, just launch k3b
[06:26] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yah you are right, it says no cd/dvd burner found anyways
[06:27] <Cannoli> !chmod
[06:27] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[06:27] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  yeah ok...not sure what gives there then
[06:27] <Cannoli> how do i chmod something?
[06:28] <Cannoli> Linux users may have to chmod +x (man chmod) ipodpatcher first
[06:28] <kkathman> Cannoli: man chmod    in a konsole
[06:28] <Cannoli> thts it?
[06:28] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: awww.... crappy
[06:28] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[06:28] <kkathman> Cannoli:  yes typically its    sudo chmod +x  filename
[06:28] <zgmf-x20a> hey kkathman what is envy?
[06:28] <kkathman> !envy
[06:28] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[06:28] <Cannoli> ah ic
[06:29] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I used it actually to install my drivers
[06:29] <kkathman> lol
[06:29] <Cannoli> awesome
[06:29] <Cannoli> ty :)
[06:29] <hilarion> I am very glad
[06:29] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yah thats what im reading now.  it may work.  bc im not sure if that other  procedure will.
[06:30] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you reading that forum link?
[06:30] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yup, its actually very helpful.  that looks like a good way to get at it,  but envy also may work
[06:31] <john> xp_killer: nop, it did the same thing
[06:32] <john> xp_killer: g2g....but thank you for helping me
[06:32] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: uestion though, i am on kubuntu, still supported or no?
[06:32] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well you have to install it, and when you do, it should install any necessary dependencies I reckon
[06:33] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok looking it up now
[06:33] <kkathman> when I installed, I went ubuntu first, then I installed kubuntu-desktop so I have everything pretty much
[06:33] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ooooh ic.  annnd wth?  its not in the repos?
[06:33] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  should be sudo apt-get install envy
[06:35] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I know this is repetitive, but I wonder if you could paste your sources.list again (its in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:35] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: no way... E: Couldn't find package envy... this video card just does not want me to install its drivers.... lol
[06:36] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: naw thats cool, one second
[06:38] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36979/
[06:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> goooood morning, Kubuntu!
[06:39] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ok now  at konsole:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:39] <kkathman> hi Daisuke_Laptop :)
[06:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> upgrading to gutsy?
[06:40] <kkathman> no he's having problems with getting an nvidia 8000 card installed
[06:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> nvidia-glx-new?
[06:40] <kkathman> and his sources look just like mine but he doesnt have some packages
[06:40] <kkathman> yeah we tried all that :(
[06:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> ooh
[06:41] <kkathman> for instance... no envy
[06:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> best of luck then :)
[06:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> envy isn't recommended, but sometimes it's all that works.
[06:41] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:41] <kkathman> and no nvidia-kernel things
[06:41] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  well ok
[06:41] <zgmf-x20a> Daisuke_Laptop: yahhh.... its been a pain in the butt
[06:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> lemme see something real quick...
[06:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> might want to uncomment the feisty-backports
[06:42] <zgmf-x20a> in my sources?
[06:42] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  you can get it from alberto milones page  http://lunapark6.com/?p=2717
[06:43] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok,  ill try that.  but after reading about it, it says that every upgrade you have to redo the whole process?
[06:44] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  better page here:  http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/22/install-the-latest-nvidia-driver-with-envy-in-kubuntu/
[06:44] <zgmf-x20a> well now that i thin about it... i think i might have to anyways bc modules wont match
[06:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[06:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> originally, i did the nvidia drivers witht he versions from the site
[06:44] <kkathman> ahh ok - i didnt but maybe that will work
[06:45] <kkathman> yeah me too
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> but that was when i was beta testing feisty
[06:45] <kkathman> he has that 8000
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i got tired of x not starting every few days
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> every time there was a kernel update
[06:45] <zgmf-x20a> yah thast what i was just thinkign.... hmmm
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> and having to re-run the installer to recompile the kernel module
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> zgmf-x20a: the kernel for feisty is pretty much set in stone by this point.
[06:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> so you should be alright on that part of it
[06:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you go to gutsy once it hits general release, you might have to do that a couple times
[06:48] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: and Daisuke_Laptop sounds good,  i think i will give envy a shot.  now how do i get it exactly.  the last walkthru yu gave me kkathman looks great
[06:48] <zgmf-x20a> just need to get it though
[06:48] <kkathman> im not sure what you decided?
[06:49] <kkathman> you gonna open the backports?
[06:49] <zgmf-x20a> lol, to get envy and try it out to make this thing work
[06:49] <kkathman> oj
[06:49] <kkathman> look at that last post
[06:49] <kkathman> http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/22/install-the-latest-nvidia-driver-with-envy-in-kubuntu/
[06:49] <kkathman> this one
[06:50] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes thats the one i am on, but how do i install it?
[06:52] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: wait, 7.06 is feisty?
[06:52] <kkathman> yes
[06:52] <kkathman> http://lunapark6.com/?p=2717
[06:52] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: crap.... not supported :(
[06:52] <kkathman> 7.04 I thought
[06:52] <kkathman> I used it
[06:53] <zgmf-x20a> i mean 7.04, it says here:  its not supportedhttp://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/03/09/envy-a-great-installer-for-the-latest-ati-and-nvidia-graphic-drivers-in-ubuntu/
[06:53] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: o really, ok i guess its ok then
[06:54] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman:
[06:54] <zgmf-x20a> Connecting to albertomilone.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.
[06:54] <zgmf-x20a> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[06:54] <zgmf-x20a> 00:54:41 ERROR 403: Forbidden
[06:55] <kkathman> argh
[06:56] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: sorry...
[06:57] <kkathman> I guess he killed his access
[06:58] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: awwwwwww mannn....  seriosuly.... this laptop just does not want to be happy and working...
[06:58] <kkathman> aha!!!
[06:58] <kkathman> I found it
[06:58] <kkathman> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[06:59] <kkathman> bottom of the page is the deb file
[06:59] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  download that and install with dpkg -i
[07:00] <Cannoli> !kate
[07:00] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:00] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yo mean this one:  envy_0.9.7-0ubuntu8_all.deb
[07:01] <kkathman> yep
[07:02] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  then follow the instructions on that other page I mentioned
[07:02] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: actually when you select it it doesnt download, it opens in kate.  should i save as, or open with ark????
[07:03] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  right click and save as I guess
[07:04] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: actuallt, yu can right click and install package right then and there, BUT it comes up with an error
[07:04] <zgmf-x20a> again, cannot connect to host, etc
[07:04] <kkathman> what?
[07:05] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: you can right click, go to package menu, then install package.  but it doesnt work.  would have been cool if it did though
[07:05] <kkathman> just right click and save as
[07:05] <kkathman> no no
[07:05] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok saved it to my desktop
[07:05] <zgmf-x20a> home folder actuallt
[07:06] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  fyi - at some time - create a directory in your ~ called downloads :)
[07:06] <kkathman> save all of them there in case you need them ever again
[07:06] <zgmf-x20a> yah im going to do that now
[07:07] <zgmf-x20a> actually not as easy as i thought apparentyl
[07:07] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a: in a konsole cd to that directory where the file is and do  a sudo dpkg -i  full-file-name
[07:08] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  at konsole,  cd <return>  will always take you to your home directory
[07:08] <kkathman> then sudo mkdir downloads
[07:09] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  then mv ~/envy_0.9.7-0ubuntu8_all.deb  ~/downloads
[07:10] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ok ill make that file another time...  ok, so hw do i cd to a new directory i created in my home folder?
[07:11] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  to change directory -  is cd :)
[07:11] <kkathman> easy to remember
[07:11] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes i get that part, but how do i get into the folder?
[07:11] <kkathman> thats how
[07:12] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  where did you save the deb file?
[07:12] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: i dont understand.  im at zgmf-x20a@zgmf-x20a:~$  and the folder in my home folder i just called dlz, so how do i cd to that folder?
[07:13] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  so you have a directory called dlz  in your home folder?
[07:13] <zgmf-x20a> yes, which the file is currently in
[07:13] <kkathman> ok
[07:13] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  type cd ~/dlz
[07:14] <zgmf-x20a> .... its also case sensetive apparently.  ok, so im in the folder now though
[07:15] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  if you want to know what folder you are in.... type pwd
[07:15] <kkathman> pwd - print working directory
[07:15] <ubuntu_> !commands | zgmf-x20a
[07:15] <ubotu> zgmf-x20a: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:15] <zgmf-x20a> ah ic , cool.
[07:16] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  ls -l  and see if you see your deb file
[07:16] <zgmf-x20a> ok so now dpkg -i envy_0.9.7-0ubuntu8_all.deb
[07:16] <zgmf-x20a> ok one second
[07:16] <kkathman> sudo
[07:17] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: yes it is there, and i will run the command now
[07:17] <kkathman> okie doke
[07:18] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: ... dependancy problems... uite a few...
[07:18] <kkathman> hmm
[07:18] <kkathman> well poo
[07:18] <kkathman> lol
[07:19] <zgmf-x20a> lol.... trust me i know
[07:19] <zgmf-x20a> haha
[07:19] <kkathman> zgmf-x20a:  I think yer snakebit man :)
[07:19] <zgmf-x20a> lol.... yah im thinking so as well.... man o man... this has been the most frustrating process i have ever had to go thru thus far
[07:20] <zgmf-x20a> im dreeding the cd rom drive issue.....
[07:20] <mortici_> is there an easy way to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[07:21] <zgmf-x20a> im also pooped from the evening, i think i have to hit the sack.  got an ealry morning tomorrow as well with doctors and needles....
[07:21] <zgmf-x20a> not looking forward to that
[07:21] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: thanks a millllllllllion for all this help though.  going to keep the pc on and try it out again tomorrow ith all the pointers and such
[07:22] <kkathman> ok kewl man
[07:23] <zgmf-x20a> kkathman: cool, see you again around here probably.  have a good night and ttys.
[07:23] <kkathman> mortici:  its pretty easy, you change your sources, and do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:23] <zgmf-x20a> thanks again!  ^_^
[07:23] <kkathman> np
[07:35] <mortici_> kkathman: change sources to what?
[07:37] <kkathman> mortici: well your current sources.list will have edgy in them, and typically you just need to change those to feisty
[07:37] <kkathman> !upgrade
[07:37] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[07:37] <kkathman> try that mortici
[07:37] <kkathman> that link should help you
[07:41] <mortici_> ok
[07:41] <mortici_> im upgrading now
[07:42] <mortici_> 1gb of files yay!
[07:42] <mortici_> god i hope it doesn't bork my configs
[07:54] <mortici_> if i a raid setup on my pc, and i upgrade to feisty its not gonna mess it up is it?
[07:55] <DaSkreech> mortici_: It's already installed?
[07:55] <mortici_> yes
[07:55] <mortici_> the raid config/setup
[07:56] <mortici_> dmraid to be exact
[07:56] <DaSkreech> if it works now it should work then
[07:56] <mortici_> k just making sure
[07:56] <DaSkreech> cross your fingers and toes :)
[07:58] <mortici_> and legs and arms
[07:58] <mortici_> :)
[07:59] <mortici_> It should be fine, i "trust" linux lol
[07:59] <Mr_Sonoma> i usually back up my /home directory on a pen drive just in case
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Mr_Sonoma: are you serious?
[07:59] <jbbarnes> I have mounted a FAT32 partition, but cannot write to it unless I'm root. Can someone give me some ideas. Change fstab options?
[08:00] <jbbarnes> I have set the mount point to 777, but still can't write to it as a regular user.
[08:00] <Mr_Sonoma> yup, havent ever had a problem but there's always that one in a billion chance that im gonna be the lucky one to have something go wrong LOL
[08:02] <jbbarnes> Nobody has any ideas?
[08:02] <mortici_> jbbarnes: hold on a sec
[08:02] <jbbarnes> Thanks.
[08:02] <jussi01> !patience
[08:02] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:03] <mortici_> jbbarnes: set the options in fstab to rw,user OR defaults
[08:03] <mortici_> are you using: mount -t ... etc method or through fstab is what i should of asked
[08:03] <jbbarnes> Okay, let me see how they are set at the moment. Checking...
[08:04] <mortici_> make sure the Type is also vfat afaik
[08:04] <Mr_Sonoma> i dont keep a lot in my /home so a 2 gig flash drive (pen drive) works good for back up
[08:04] <jbbarnes> Last time I started up, I used the mount command. Then I added it to fstab for this restart. No luck either time.
[08:04] <mortici_> ok your fstab entry should look something like this:
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Mr_Sonoma: Wow I have a 120 GB drive and a 6 GB / and I have no space left on the drive
[08:05] <mortici_>  /dev/<foo> /media/<foo> auto defaults 0 0
[08:05] <Mr_Sonoma> DaSkreech, i have a 20 gig hard disk so
[08:05] <jbbarnes> The line isn my fstab says:
[08:05] <mortici_> the foo you replace with appropriate names
[08:05] <jbbarnes> __  /dev/sda4       /mnt/common     vfat    user    0       1
[08:05] <mortici_> what is your fstab entry
[08:06] <jbbarnes> I had to add the underscore ;-)
[08:06] <jbbarnes> I am mounting in /mnt/common and have set both /mnt and /mnt/common to 777 access
[08:06] <mortici_> replace user with defaults or add rw like so: ... vfat rw,user 0 0
[08:06] <jbbarnes> Okay, changing...
[08:06] <mortici_> that doesn't matter, cause fstab is gonna overwrite those settings
[08:06] <mortici_> with the options you set
[08:07] <mortici_> make sure its a comma between rw and user
[08:07] <mortici_> and set the dump/pass to 0 0
[08:07] <mortici_> thats zero zero
[08:07] <jbbarnes> Like this: /dev/sda4       /mnt/common     vfat    rw,user 0       1
[08:08] <mortici_> the last two change the 1 to a 0
[08:08] <mortici_> besides that it looks right
[08:08] <jbbarnes> Oka
[08:08] <jbbarnes> okay
[08:08] <mortici_> ok
[08:08] <mortici_> save the file and type: sudo mount -a
[08:09] <jbbarnes> It now says: /dev/sda4       /mnt/common     vfat    rw,user 0       0
[08:09] <mortici_> perfect
[08:09] <mortici_> now type: sudo mount -a
[08:09] <mortici_> it should remount the items
[08:09] <mortici_> if anything do: sudo umount /mnt/common && sudo mount -a
[08:10] <DaSkreech> g
[08:10] <mortici_> g
[08:10] <mortici_> 922 gets so far
[08:10] <mortici_> still going :D
[08:11] <mortici_> talk about and upgrade lolz
[08:11] <jbbarnes> okay, I executed sudo mount -a   When I go to the newly mounted common directory (as non-root) the files appear as
[08:11] <jbbarnes> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  74885706 2007-08-23 11:58 file.txt
[08:11] <jbbarnes> So it still seems to think that I have no write access.
[08:11] <jbbarnes> Thanks for your help so far. I"m appreciating it.
[08:12] <mortici_> jbbarnes: type: sudo umount /mnt/common && sudo mount -a
[08:12] <mortici_> or highlight what i wrote and middle click in your shell
[08:14] <jbbarnes> Okay, I just executed that command. Still won't let me write. The same permissions show up when I ls-l
[08:15] <mortici_> technically from what you pasted the permissions seem right, so you should have write access
[08:15] <jbbarnes> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 729128960 2006-12-01 01:41 Lady in the Water 1.avi
[08:16] <jbbarnes> Shouldn't that disallow me from writing?
[08:16] <jbbarnes> I'm not root and I don't have a w in the other columns.
[08:16] <mortici_> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  48 Mar  7  2007 windows <--------- thats the folder (d is for directory)
[08:16] <mortici_> same permissions and i have read/write access
[08:17] <jbbarnes> The one I just sent is one of the media files in the folder. They all have the same permissions.
[08:17] <mortici_> and you can read them but not write to them?
[08:17] <jbbarnes> rwx r-x r-w
[08:17] <jbbarnes> So no writing for group or others, just for the owner, which is root.
[08:18] <jbbarnes> I guess I'm wondering if ther is a mount option to make it read/write to everyone. That would solve it.
[08:18] <mortici_> the do this: sudo chown /mnt/common <username>:users
[08:20] <jbbarnes> chown: `/mnt/common': invalid user
[08:20] <mortici_> gah
[08:20] <jbbarnes> I put my user id (jbbarnes) where you had <username
[08:20] <mortici_> i think this is a udev issue lemme see
[08:20] <jbbarnes> Thanks.
[08:23] <jbbarnes> chown [OPTION] ... [OWNER] [:[GROUP] ]  FILE...
[08:24] <Jucato> chown [user_name] :[group_name]  [file_or_folder]
[08:24] <mortici_> jbbarnes: your fstab is correct, its udev thats messed up
[08:25] <jbbarnes> That's a new one to me. I'm not familiar with udev.
[08:25] <jbbarnes> Looking it up.
[08:27] <jbbarnes> Okay, read wikipedia. So I kind of see what udev is about. But I'm not sure what to do differently.
[08:28] <jbbarnes> Sounds like you're saying the problem is at a lower level than mount or fstab. With the way the device is handled.
[08:29] <mortici_> yep
[08:29] <mortici_> wrong group/user is assigned to device when created
[08:29] <jbbarnes> Is it possible to change it?
[08:30] <mortici_> yeah
[08:30] <mortici_> you have to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/ files to set the proper group/user
[08:30] <mortici_> or just group
[08:31] <jbbarnes> Okay, looking up that file...
[08:33] <jbbarnes> I see about 30 files in that directory. Looking for something that seems right...
[08:34] <jbbarnes> maybe 25-iftab.rules?
[08:35] <mortici_> 40-permissions.rules would be most logical
[08:35] <jbbarnes> yep. Got it. Looking at it now...
[08:35] <Mr_Sonoma> !network shares
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network shares - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <melomane> can someone help me with establishing a local repository source?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> !samba
[08:37] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:37] <DaSkreech> melomane: What are you trying to do?
[08:39] <melomane> DaSkreech: thanks, i dowlnloaded some packages before, and now i installed kubuntu on my other harddisk, i copied the packages, and i have these apckages, i want to install them on my new kubuntu
[08:39] <melomane> DaSkreech: i did what i read in a article about that
[08:40] <melomane> DaSkreech: but when i i try to: sudo apt-get update , to update the list of my repositores, i recived this error for that new line i entered in dile sources.list
[08:41] <jbbarnes> mortici: I found a Linux Format article on udev. It will probably guide me further, so I'm going to read it. Thanks for your help.
[08:42] <melomane> DaSkreech: Failed to fetch file:/home/mahdi/packages/dists/debs///binary-amd64/Packages.gz File not found
[08:42] <DaSkreech> melomane: ha ha :-)
[08:42] <melomane> DaSkreech: ?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> melomane: copy them to the directory /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:43] <DaSkreech> no sources.list entry required
[08:43] <mortici_> jbbarnes: no problem
[08:43] <DaSkreech> please take that one out
[08:43] <melomane> DaSkreech: let me test that
[08:45] <melomane> DaSkreech: but i dont have the permission to copy anything in this direcotry
[08:45] <melomane> DaSkreech: i forgot the command to run konqueror in root privilage
[08:46] <DaSkreech> melomane: alt+f2 -> kdesu konqueror
[08:46] <melomane> kdesu , i used ksudo :D
[08:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> why
[08:47] <DaSkreech> melomane: You can press ctrl+shift+L when it's open
[08:47] <DaSkreech> to get two places side by side
[08:47] <DaSkreech> melomane: that should work in gutsy :)
[08:47] <DaSkreech> Well kdesudo
[08:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh, wait a second, konqueror as a file manager, not konqueror as a web browser.
[08:47] <melomane> DaSkreech: i c
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Laptop: trying to browse the treasury's site as root?
[08:48] <melomane> DaScreech: wow, thats really nice, i use linux for 2 years , and knew that about konquror but never tried that :D
[08:49] <DaSkreech> it super delish
[08:49] <DaSkreech> it is
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+Shift+T if you like horizontal
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+Shift+R to close which ever one is currently highlighted
[08:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...and who doesn't *wink wink nudge nudge*
[08:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i'm so going to bed now, it's late and i can't believe i just made that joke >_<
[08:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> goodnight
[08:51] <DaSkreech> night!
[08:52] <melomane> DaSkreech: wow, thanks. it works
[08:52] <melomane> DaSkreech: thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank u
[08:52] <DaSkreech> btw melomane am I allowed to think it funny that you will apt-get from the command line but won't copy things on there? :)
[08:52] <DaSkreech> melomane: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllll>K<ooooooooooomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:53] <Jucato> okaaaaay.... stop that... nowwww
[08:53] <DaSkreech> oooooooooo
[08:53] <DaSkreech> kkkkkkkkkkkkk
[08:54] <melomane> DaSkreech: yes u r right, u know i always have prblems with cp , mv, rm commands ;)
[08:54] <DaSkreech> want help with that?
[08:54] <melomane> DaSkreech :sure
[08:54] <DaSkreech> melomane: ok press alt+f2 and use konqueror
[08:54] <Jucato> O.o
[08:55] <DaSkreech> naw I'm joking. What problems do you have?
[08:55] <DaSkreech> what normally happens?
[08:55] <DaSkreech> it ism
[08:55] <melomane> DaSkreech: sometimes with directoues
[08:56] <DaSkreech> is;t by default?
[08:56] <DaSkreech> melomane: I hate directions to. How do you know when you have passed the "last left turn"?
[08:56] <DaSkreech> too
[08:56] <melomane> ?
[08:57] <DaSkreech> melomane: Sorry very very late jokes don't flow as easily
[08:57] <DaSkreech> melomane: what happens with directories?
[08:57] <DaSkreech> TECKBW: ask in #winehq
[08:57] <melomane> DaSkreech: for example i want to copy some files, but i c the diroctory is copied
[08:57] <TECKBW> thanks
[08:58] <DaSkreech> melomane: Woah You copied a directory by *accident* ?
[08:58] <DaSkreech> what did you type?
[08:59] <melomane> DaSkreech: i know thats because i dont know much about these commands, maybe i must read man ...
[08:59] <DaSkreech> melomane: Maybe that helps :) but what did you type if you remember
[08:59] <melomane> DaSkreech : i cant remember exacltly
[09:00] <melomane> DaSkreech: the problem is that i learned linux by experience
[09:00] <DaSkreech> melomane: ok do you remember the situation?
[09:00] <DaSkreech> you wanted to copy one file or some files or all the files?
[09:00] <melomane> DaSkreech: yes
[09:01] <melomane> DDaSkreech:: iwa ntet to copy some files in a direcotry to another direcotry
[09:01] <melomane> DaSkreech: but the directory itself was copieed
[09:01] <mortici_> whats the command to update grub after a kernel update?
[09:01] <DaSkreech> !grub | mortici_
[09:01] <ubotu> mortici_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:01] <DaSkreech> melomane: was there anything similar about the file names?
[09:02] <melomane> DaSkreech: id ont think so, but i am not sure
[09:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> mortici_: sudo update-grub
[09:02] <DaSkreech> ok so you named them out one by one?
[09:03] <melomane> DaSkreech: u mean copying one by one?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> melomane: no like cp mydir/file1 mydir/file3 mydir/anotherfile placeidumpstuff/
[09:04] <melomane> DaSkreech: no, not that way
[09:04] <DaSkreech> Thats copying three files (file1, file3, anotherfile) to a dir (placeidumpstuff)
[09:04] <melomane> i didnt knew that
[09:04] <melomane> *know
[09:04] <DaSkreech> melomane: ok what did it kinda look like?
[09:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> what happened to file2?
[09:05] <melomane> DaSkreech: i am not still much familiar with these commands, i will try more
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Laptop: realise the truth there is no file2
[09:05] <DaSkreech> melomane: ok well here is the qquick version
[09:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> so you just can't count?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> cp and mv work the same way
[09:06] <melomane> DaSkreech: oh i remembered another problem, with VCDs, my VCDs r not mounted. i mean i cant play VCDs
[09:06] <DaSkreech> they move [from]  [to]
[09:06] <melomane> DaSkreech: dont u have anyproblem with VCD?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Laptop: no melomane said that he didn't want to copy files that were in a pattern
[09:06] <DaSkreech> assuming that melomane is a he :)
[09:06] <DaSkreech> !vcd
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vcd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <melomane> yes "he"
[09:07] <melomane> ;)
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !codecs | melomane
[09:07] <ubotu> melomane: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Short answer is you probably have to install libxine-extracodecs
[09:07] <melomane> i think the codec is installed
[09:07] <DaSkreech> ok
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Well let me finsh my first thingg so I can sleep :)
[09:08] <DaSkreech> cp and mv work the same way
[09:08] <DaSkreech> they move [from]  [to]
[09:08] <DaSkreech> so simple is cp file filecopy
[09:08] <melomane> DaSkreech: anyway, u helped a lot
[09:08] <DaSkreech> which will copy one file to a new file called filecopy
[09:08] <melomane> DaDkreech: thanks a million
[09:09] <DaSkreech> if the [to]  is a directory then it copies/moves to the directory without renaming
[09:09] <DaSkreech> you can have multiple [froms]  but then [to]  HAS to be a directory
[09:10] <DaSkreech> so mv file1 file3 anotherfile .trash/
[09:10] <DaSkreech> moves those three into a .trash directory
[09:11] <melomane> DaSkreech: i'd better go to install the packages by that way u tought me
[09:11] <melomane> DaSkreech: thanks, and bye
[09:11] <DaSkreech> melomane: You can dump all of them in that folder and install them all in one go
[09:11] <DaSkreech> melomane: one last thing
[09:11] <melomane> DaSkreech: ok
[09:11] <DaSkreech> melomane: if you are copying or moving all the folders in directory then you use directoryname/*
[09:12] <DaSkreech> so cp pics/* backup/
[09:12] <DaSkreech> not cp pics/ backup/
[09:12] <melomane> DaSkreech: haaaaaaaaa, thats exactly what i should have done
[09:12] <DaSkreech> that might help your problem
[09:12] <melomane> DaSkreech: yes, u ru rught, i didnt type that *