[07:59] <bob2> zaeem: upgrading to hoary is probably the simplest solution then
[07:59] <zaeem> hmms..
[08:00] <zaeem> how do i do that?
[08:00] <zaeem> i should be searching for that rather than asking..
[08:00] <zaeem> sorry
[08:00] <Tessa> ill try taht pdaoust
[08:00] <Tessa> let me reboot
[08:00] <Tessa> brb
[08:00] <pdaoust> Tessa: Sorry it took so long... I never did find the information I was looking for, but I'm making an educated guess :)
[08:00] <Tessa> ur a hun, pdaoust
[08:00] <Tessa> :)
[08:01] <pdaoust> aw shecks :)
[08:01] <bob2> zaeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:01] <bob2> zaeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:01] <alka_trash> wow, what a journey, I'm back and glx is working
[08:01] <zaeem> thnx a lot bob2 ...u r da man..:)
[08:01] <pdaoust> soooooooo nobody knows about what sort of boot options and kernel choices a LiveCD user has, eh? nothing on the Wiki can enlighten me...
[08:02] <bob2> ask on the list
[08:02] <bob2> the livecd is pretty different to the actual OS
[08:05] <zenrox> ya its desined to run off the cd /instded of the hdd and thats a big derfence
[08:05] <zenrox> diference
[08:06] <pdaoust> Bob2: that's what I hear -- the LiveCD is based off Morphix or something?
[08:06] <bob2> yes
[08:06] <bob2> well, it's different enough that I don't know the tricks of it
[08:06] <bob2> never actually used it tho
[08:06] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: did it work?
[08:06] <bob2> since my cds went mia
[08:07] <pdaoust> I'm just trying to help someone who got a LiveCD given to them, but they're having a problem with their FX5200 video card... one Ubuntu user on the forum seemed to have success by passing an explicit modeline to the kernel at the GRUB prompt
[08:07] <pdaoust> bob2: lend them out to someone? :)
[08:07] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: did what work? helping Tessa out with the LiveCD?
[08:07] <pdaoust> (if so, I'm still working on it... she's rebooted her computer)
[08:08] <bob2> pdaoust: nah, my boxes just didn't make it here yet
[08:08] <pdaoust> bob2: ah, you ordered them... spiffy :)
[08:10] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: yeah, tess
[08:10] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: yep, just waiting for her reply... never did find out any info on the LiveCD's boot options tho :/
[08:10] <BlacKnight|> i'd say yes, and she's in ubuntu now playing around
[08:11] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: wouldn't that be nice ^_^
[08:11] <pdaoust> one of those disgruntled Windows-haters who's looking for an alternative; I hope she's happy with Ubuntu
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> i like the gnome boot menu
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> sorry
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> gnome login screen
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> gdm
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> bah can't articulate
[08:12] <pdaoust> (moving from Gentoo, I was extremely happy... I loved Gentoo, but the whole 'roll-your-own' thing was getting tedious :-/)
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> silly me... yeah the ubuntu gdm thing.. looks nice
[08:12] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: on the LiveCD, or just in Ubuntu, period?
[08:12] <ArCHoNKoG> pdaoust, same here
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> i thought gentoo's rad
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: the latter
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> how's fedora?
[08:13] <BlacKnight|> gentoo has a similar distribution-upgrade concept, doesn't it?
[08:13] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: I think it rocks too, but yeah... wanted a binary distro... and I like when the packages preconfigure themselves with good defaults.
[08:13] <BlacKnight|> oh and hwat happens to all my own-rolled programs when i do distribution-up[grade in ubuntu?
[08:14] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: it has a very similar concept to Fedora and Ubuntu, yes. The only difference is that their distro is constantly changing; i.e., the stable distro is simply whatever packages get installed when you go "emerge your-package-name-here"... whereas Ubuntu and Fedora work on the idea of six-month stable releases, with only bug-fixing upgrades.
[08:15] <bob2> BlacKnight|: you keep your own stuff in /usr/local/, and then ubuntu ignores it completely
[08:15] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: most likely your home-rolled programs will be in... bob2 beat me to it. yeah, /usr/local
[08:15] <bob2> that's one of the many reasons you don't let junk get into /usr/
[08:16] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: the only conflict I can see is that, if /usr/bin is before /usr/local/bin in $PATH, it'll choose the Ubuntu version of the binary first.
[08:16] <bob2> it's not
[08:16] <bob2> for exactly that reason
[08:16] <pdaoust> ?
[08:16] <zaeem> bob2, upgrading to hoary from warty..
[08:16] <bob2>  /usr/local/bin/ is in the head of the path exactly so you can override stuff
[08:17] <pdaoust> bob2: is it?
[08:17] <pdaoust> every day is a learnin-stuff day :)
[08:18] <zaeem> bob2, synaptic says that it will download 516 MB...that will choke my connection..can i limit the download speed?
[08:18] <bob2> run it under trickle, I guess
[08:19] <pdaoust> anybody off-hand know the name of that network connection monitor that works kinda like top, only it lists hostnames instead of processes?
[08:19] <bob2> iftop? ntop?
[08:19] <pdaoust> bob2: thanks; I'll try :)
[08:21] <pdaoust> bob2: that's the very kind of program I was looking for; thanks!
[08:24] <pdaoust> hey Kickstart...
[08:24] <pdaoust> you from Vancouver or Victoria?
[08:24] <Kickstart> Hello...I'm having a problem with the 'Method 1' instal of Java on this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java...Can anyone help?
[08:25] <Kickstart> pdaoust, Vancouver-ish :)
[08:25] <Kickstart> Richmond
[08:25] <pdaoust> cool. what's the weather like down there? have to make a trip on Tuesday, and I'm just wondering what the conditions are like.
[08:26] <Kickstart> pdaoust, today was mostly crappy with a little clearing before it got dark. Supposed to be nicer tomorrow but weather.ca is predicting rain for Tuesday (they are usually more wrong than right)
[08:26] <pdaoust> Kickstart: I've noticed that ^_^ they predicted snow all last week when my friend was coming from Florida, but not a flake
[08:27] <pdaoust> Kickstart: I can't remember which method I used to install Java... one sec
[08:27] <Kickstart> Heh...yeah, I think the CO2 levels are messing them up these days ;)
[08:27] <pdaoust> Kickstart: must be :)
[08:27] <Kickstart> The error I'm getting is that java-common and a gfonts deb are unavailable.
[08:28] <pdaoust> Kickstart: I used method 1, I believe. what's your problem?
[08:28] <pdaoust> whoa, bet me to it
[08:28] <pdaoust> Kickstart: hmmm, java-common... do you have warty universe repository enabled?
[08:29] <Kickstart> I've got multiverse and the Blackdown repository they listed.
[08:29] <pdaoust> Kickstart: pooey. java-common seems to be part of warty; don't know why it's not showing up
[08:29] <pdaoust> dumb question, but you did reload your repository list once you installed jrfonseca.dyndns.org repository?
[08:30] <Kickstart> yup :) And nothing in 'apt-cache search'
[08:30] <pdaoust> weirdness. colossal weirdness...
[08:30] <_nicolas_> Hi all. I just got started on Ubuntu. Just looking around here
[08:31] <Kickstart> just did another apt-get update and apt-cache search again and it doesn't exist
[08:31] <pdaoust> Kickstart: thanks for the heads-up ;) I always assume people are n00bs and work up from there ^_^ usually works, because I'm a n00b myself!
[08:31] <Kickstart> there's j2se-common though
[08:32] <pdaoust> Kickstart: that's interesting; where's that coming from, I wonder
[08:32] <Kickstart> hold on, I'll check synaptic
[08:33] <pdaoust> 's too bad Synaptic doesn't tell you what repository it got a package from...
[08:33] <Kickstart> Hmm...I thought it did in the properties of the package, but you are right and I am wrong.
[08:34] <_nicolas_> question: has anyone here got the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG working under Ubuntu?
[08:34] <pdaoust> _nicolas_: I'd just be happy if I had a wireless card, even if it didn't work ^_^
[08:34] <bob2> it works in hoary, I hear
[08:34] <Kickstart> _nicolas_, do you know the module?
[08:34] <pdaoust> (so in other words, sorry :) )
[08:34] <bob2> ipw2100 works fine in warty
[08:36] <pdaoust> Kickstart: sorry, I forgot your answer: did you say you have both warty universe and multiverse enabled?
[08:36] <Kickstart> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse \ deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[08:37] <_nicolas_> Kickstart, I don't know the module. I see that it has an entry in /sys/devices when I check the Device Manager
[08:37] <Kickstart> Just multiverse
[08:37] <pdaoust> Kickstart: ah, that might be it; maybe it's in universe
[08:37] <Kickstart> _nicolas_, no worries, was just curious
[08:37] <pdaoust> (but not multiverse)
[08:38] <Kickstart> what's the sources.list line for universe? Ok to have both?
[08:38] <_nicolas_> ok
[08:38] <bob2> just add the word 'universe' before 'multiverse'
[08:38] <pdaoust> yep, here's my pertinent lines: K-Rich: well, I had no choice about
[08:38] <pdaoust> whoa, that's completely the wrong line
[08:38] <pdaoust> wrong key :)
[08:38] <pdaoust> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[08:39] <pdaoust> there we go :)
[08:39] <Kickstart> cool...updating now
[08:39] <pdaoust> rockin'
[08:40] <Kickstart> no java-common
[08:40] <Kickstart> :(
[08:40] <pdaoust> Kickstart: well ain't that just feces
[08:40] <pdaoust> hmmmmmmmmmm
[08:40] <Kickstart> attempting to reselect the jdk
[08:41] <Kickstart> j2sdk I mean
[08:41] <Kickstart> "java-common does not appear to be available" with blackdown
[08:42] <pdaoust> blast it!!! what's going on?!?
[08:42] <Kickstart> same deal with sun j2re
[08:42] <pdaoust> let's see what other repositories I have enabled.
[08:42] <pdaoust> Kickstart: do you have 'restricted' repository enabled?
[08:43] <zaeem> bob2, i have changed my sources from warty to hoary to perform a dist upgrade...how can i start from the command line now?
[08:43] <Kickstart> just the two lines I posted earlier
[08:43] <bob2> zaeem: start trickle?
[08:43] <pdaoust> Kickstart: betcha anything it's in the restricted repository
[08:44] <pdaoust> so the line should read:
[08:44] <Kickstart> oops, I lied
[08:44] <pdaoust> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty restricted universe multiverse
[08:44] <zaeem> how can i perform a dist upgrade from apt-get
[08:44] <Kickstart> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[08:44] <Kickstart> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[08:44] <Kickstart> deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[08:44] <pdaoust> Kickstart? really?
[08:44] <Kickstart> yep...that's egrep -v '#' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <pdaoust> hmmm, you should have a line that says deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[08:45] <bob2> zaeem: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:45] <pdaoust> Kickstart: ah, so you ignored commented-out lines
[08:45] <Kickstart> yep
[08:45] <Kickstart> I'
[08:45] <Kickstart> I'll add that and see what it does.
[08:45] <pdaoust> Kickstart: cool
[08:45] <pdaoust> good luck!
[08:46] <Kickstart> AHA!
[08:46] <pdaoust> oho?
[08:47] <zaeem> bob2: trickle -u $KBPS apt-get --download-only upgrade && apt-get upgrade
[08:47] <Kickstart> yep, that did it...thanks much!
[08:48] <zaeem> replacing $KBPS with some number will do it .. right?
[08:48] <pdaoust> Kickstart: glad I could help! not quite sure why main and restricted were set to CD-only
[08:48] <Kickstart> FWIW, that was from the default install, so I expect other n00bs will have lots of trouble.
[08:48] <pdaoust> Kickstart: yeah, that's weird; maybe I changed it as soon as I installed, so I forgot about it
[08:49] <pdaoust> but to my knowledge the main and restricted net repositories have always been enabled
[08:49] <pdaoust> buuuuuut
[08:49] <pdaoust> I've been wrong before
[08:49] <pdaoust> (many times ;) )
[08:50] <pdaoust> I wonder if Tessa is ever coming back... hopefully her absence means that she got to the bottom of her video card problems and she's having all sorts of fun with her new LiveCD
[08:50] <pdaoust> anyway, folks, I'm off to bed. talk to yez later.
[08:50] <Kickstart> heh, no worries. Anyhow, thanks again. I'm going to head to bed before I get killededed.
[08:50] <bob2> zaeem: you need sudo on both the apt functions
[08:51] <pdaoust> (or sworded or burninated, which is just as bad :D )
[08:51] <pdaoust> oh, missed him
[08:55] <Maj3stic> |QuaD-: whats up
[08:55] <Maj3stic> its me Triple5 just on BeatrIX right now the ubuntu based distro
[08:58] <shinzui> what's the correct place to store environment variables used by all users
[08:59] <shinzui> /etc/environment?
[09:01] <netmonk> can anyone please help me? I'm trying to somehow reset spamassassin because every mail I get is treated as spam. Please, help!
[09:04] <zaeem> bob2, tell me a thing..if i stop a apt-get process in the middle while its downloading packages and then launch it again...will i loose all the previously downloaded packages?
[09:07] <bob2> no
[09:07] <bob2> but don't stop it while it's unpackage stuff
[09:08] <zaeem> alright..
[09:08] <zaeem> i already tried that..
[09:09] <Triple5> anyone here has the xchat x-sys script for ubuntu
[09:09] <zaeem> trickle doesnt limit bandwidth effectively..i have told it to limit to 40 KBPS but still it goes upto 60..
[09:09] <zaeem> it stays above 40 all the time.
[09:11] <tuxJr_14> hi
[09:14] <bob2> trickle can only approxximate shaping
[09:24] <bud> question: is there a program for ubuntu that will allow me to determine my total bandwidth usuage say per month?
[09:27] <tuxJr_14> bud: rp3 does that. but that's discontinued afaik. search for it in the redhat source archives
[09:29] <bob2> ltos of programs will do that
[09:32] <bud> ok see here is the thing i'm trying to find something on google but not not having much look. i setup an apache server and really wanting to know how much bandwidth is it using. but i wil try rp3 thanks
[09:33] <tuxJr_14> bud: wait. rp3 does that only for dial-ups
[09:33] <bud> ok
[09:41] <alka_trash> anyone out there able to vpn into work yet?
[09:43] <bob2> tinc works well
[09:44] <acs1218> hello folks
[09:44] <acs1218> happy christmas to youall
[09:44] <K-Rich> Anyone know where i can find a large format Ubuntu image?
[09:44] <K-Rich> logo that is
[09:44] <K-Rich> (offering free press)
[09:44] <K-Rich> (good press too)
[09:51] <alka_trash> bob2: okay, I'll give it a shot
[09:52] <bob2> if by vpn you mean "Microsoft vpn server", tho, it won't work
[09:54] <Lathiat> bob2: uh, it can
[09:54] <Lathiat> bob2: does require kernel patch for mppe but.
[09:59] <alka_trash> bob2: any gui out there for it
[10:01] <Friczy> re
[10:02] <woody> ogra, are you there ?
[10:03] <woody> By the way, who are you dual booting with Ubuntu Linux ?
[10:04] <stuNNed> woody, i dual boot on laptop for sake of work
[10:04] <stuNNed> forsaken!
[10:04] <stuNNed> lol
[10:04] <woody> Well can we dual Warty and Hoary on the same PC ?
[10:04] <Ear3ndil> hi
[10:04] <woody> dual boot
[10:05] <crimsun> if you really feel like it, sure, nothing's stopping you
[10:05] <bob2> Lathiat: no, I was talking about tinc
[10:05] <bob2> alka_trash: doubt it
[10:05] <alka_trash> okay
[10:05] <alka_trash> still cool though
[10:06] <Lathiat> bob2: oh ok
[10:06] <Lathiat> bob2: sorr
[10:06] <Lathiat> +y
[10:06] <woody> Well has anyone here tried booting several different Linux distros from a single hard disk ?
[10:07] <jeff2> woody: yes, it works
[10:07] <jeff2> woody: though I'm using multiple partitions
[10:08] <woody> Wow, which distros are you booting right now ?
[10:08] <woody> great
[10:08] <jeff2> gentoo i386 and amd64. i'm going to switch them over to ubuntu amd64 soon
[10:09] <woody> Can we boot Fedora 3, Slackware 10, Ubuntu from a single hard disk ?
[10:09] <crimsun> you can boot as many as you want
[10:09] <crimsun> personally it's easiest to just use chroots as opposed to separate partitions
[10:11] <woody> Well I am quite new to chroots
[10:11] <woody> crimsun, What is the basic concept of chroots ?
[10:12] <crimsun> see chroot(8)
[10:12] <bob2> there usually isn't any point to booting more than one or two distributions
[10:13] <woody> But that will just give just different shells
[10:14] <crimsun> chroots are much more than just different shells
[10:14] <woody> So regarding multiple Linux booting, does it matter which distros we install first
[10:14] <bob2> they're seperate systems sharing a kernel
[10:14] <bob2> woody: no
[10:14] <neighborlee> can someone assist me with getting either k3b or xcdroast to burn an ISO but extract its contents ( ie: not burn the iso as is) ??...I could do from command line but that gets old ;-)
[10:15] <bob2> except that anything aside from ubuntu will probably install a screwed boot loader
[10:17] <woody> Well if I install Fedora first, it will install it's GRUB Boot menu, then I install Ubuntu, then the GRUB menu of Ubuntu gets installed and it will also detect the Fedora installation ??
[10:17] <BlacKnight|> is there currenltly any differrence between maxtor, wd and seagate?
[10:18] <calc> BlacKnight|: the name of the company
[10:18] <calc> actually seagate's 7200.8 series is probably the best out right now for sata
[10:18] <calc> includes ncq and large disk capacities
[10:18] <BlacKnight|> i'm just thinking whether i should even bother with sata
[10:19] <BlacKnight|> i don't think the box it's going into supports sata
[10:19] <crimsun> SATA controllers are relatively inexpensive
[10:19] <bob2> woody: yes
[10:19] <BlacKnight|> yeah but it's a p400
[10:19] <BlacKnight|> p=pentium
[10:19] <bob2> calc: tcq?
[10:20] <calc> bob2: the same thing i think, ncq expands to native command queueing, but i'm pretty sure its all the same
[10:20] <calc> probably just marketing
[10:21] <BlacKnight|> does the current linux kernel have problems with sata?
[10:21] <calc> no
[10:21] <calc> i have a wdc 250gb sata myself
[10:23] <woody> bob2, what happens if I install Ubuntu first and then Fedora ?
[10:24] <BlacKnight|> hrmm i can get a 200 gig wd sata for 168 aud
[10:24] <BlacKnight|> or the same in seagate for 178
[10:24] <BlacKnight|> and the same in maxtor for 166
[10:24] <calc> pata vs sata is basically the same unless your controller supports tcq/ncq and the drive does too
[10:24] <calc> then sata could be faster
[10:25] <HcE> BlacKnight|: I would go for WD or Seagate
[10:25] <HcE> choose the Seagate if noice is an option
[10:25] <calc> i've seen all brands die
[10:25] <stuNNed> yep, Seagate dies on me a few months ago
[10:25] <calc> ibm, maxtor, wdc, seagate they all die :)
[10:25] <HcE> Maxtor dies the most :P
[10:26] <woody> bob2, I really don't know what is eating up my hard disk space
[10:26] <calc> HcE: ibm died more, thats why they no longer exist
[10:26] <HcE> calc: no, they sold their harddrive division to hitachi
[10:26] <calc> i saw plenty of seagate drives die ~ 1996 as well, but i hear good things about them now
[10:26] <stuNNed> everybody's like 'whoa seagate is the roxor!' welp, my ide seagate died and a friend of mine's ide seagate died as well :/
[10:26] <HcE> and the drives which followed the deathstars (60gxp and 75gxp) were excellent drives
[10:26] <calc> HcE: yes, but that was due to their excessively high failure rate
[10:26] <HcE> 120gxp and 180gxp
[10:27] <HcE> I've never had problems with 120gxp
[10:27] <calc> iirc ibm failure rate was 10x industry average
[10:27] <woody> It does not matter what these hard disks are
[10:27] <woody> It's the same thing
[10:27] <crimsun> all manufacturers have had bad batches
[10:27] <HcE> hihi
[10:27] <woody> Just get a bigger drive
[10:27] <woody> 1000 GB
[10:27] <HcE> and use raid...
[10:27] <calc> crimsun: only with ibm it was entire lines and they shipped knowingly bad drives
[10:27] <crimsun> calc: sadly
[10:27] <calc> which is why they got out of the market entirely
[10:28] <bob2> calc: ah
[10:28] <calc> yea i loved my ibm drives before they died
[10:28] <stuNNed> i remember that with those ibm drives
[10:28] <bob2> woody: doesn't matter, either way
[10:28] <bob2> you just might have to reinstall the ubuntu boot loader
[10:28] <Alessio> does anyone know fetchmail?
[10:28] <stuNNed> imagine getting a 200gb drive with 180gb data on it and it fails!
[10:28] <calc> Alessio: just ask the question we might be able to answer
[10:28] <calc> stuNNed: nice :)
[10:29] <Alessio> if i try: fetchmail -v (it works)
[10:29] <Alessio> if i try: fetchmail -d 10 (it doesn't works, it does'nt download email)
[10:29] <Alessio> i wait but nothing
[10:30] <Alessio> i insert in fetchmailrc: set daemon 10
[10:30] <Alessio> it's the same
[10:30] <stuNNed> calc, just imagining ;)
[10:30] <calc> -d 10 is every 10s
[10:30] <calc> maybe it gets confused
[10:30] <stuNNed> calc, but really what are drives that large for anyways besides pirated material (home use)?
[10:30] <Alessio> fetchamail is in top.. every 2-3 sec but it doesn't download
[10:31] <calc> try setting it to 600 instead (10 min)
[10:31] <HcE> stuNNed: DV cams eat my harddrives
[10:31] <HcE> I got about 600G
[10:31] <stuNNed> HcE, wow!
[10:31] <calc> stuNNed: pr0n!
[10:31] <stuNNed> calc, LOL
[10:31] <HcE> hehe
[10:31] <HcE> stuNNed: 5 mins of DV cam editing quickly eats about 3-4GB
[10:31] <calc> digital video and pictures take a lot of space as well
[10:32] <HcE> so, go figure when you're going to edit a whole tape?
[10:32] <calc> DV is 12 or 18GB/hr i don't remember which
[10:32] <calc> at least i think that was the bitrate
[10:33] <calc> apparently ~ 12GB/hr
[10:33] <calc> 25mbps
[10:33] <HcE> yes
[10:33] <HcE> but my editingsoftware just eats space :P
[10:33] <calc> digicam pictures are usually around 2MB/each
[10:33] <calc> HcE: yea
[10:41] <BlacKnight|> i've had seagates and wds die
[10:42] <BlacKnight|> they both crash and burn
[10:42] <BlacKnight|> i think i've had more seagates die though
[10:43] <K-Rich> hey i need help again, for sure this time
[10:44] <K-Rich> anyone around
[10:44] <dstevens> Hi all
[10:44] <nicedreams> post your question
[10:44] <K-Rich> i had a blackout and now when i try to login my desktop doesn't show and it goes back to the loging screen
[10:44] <K-Rich> what do i do
[10:45] <nicedreams> not too sure, but i'd say reconfigure x
[10:45] <dstevens> the login screen is ok ?
[10:46] <K-Rich> yes, there is an odd error in .xsession-errors though
[10:46] <K-Rich> the login screen is fine
[10:47] <nicedreams> where do i go for a list of nullsoft tv stations?
[10:47] <K-Rich>
[10:48] <K-Rich> /usr/bin/X11/xsetroot: unable to open display ':0'
[10:48] <K-Rich> and
[10:49] <dstevens> there is a partial list here http://www.scvi.net/tvpls.htm
[10:49] <K-Rich> xrdb: No such file or directory
[10:49] <K-Rich> xrdb: Can't open display ':0'
[10:50] <K-Rich> nicedreams: how do i reconfigure X ?
[10:51] <K-Rich> anyone?
[10:51] <pavkonti> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:52] <nicedreams> xf86configure
[10:52] <nicedreams> or xorgconfig
[10:52] <nicedreams> thx for listing
[10:53] <dstevens> nicedreams no problems
[11:01] <K-Rich> didn't work
[11:01] <K-Rich> :/
[11:01] <pavkonti> where can I find downloaded updates for ubuntu?
[11:01] <bob2> if you mean "packages which apt has cached on your hard drive", /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:02] <K-Rich> i get no desktop just a orange screen and the cursor and then it goes back to the GDM login screen
[11:02] <K-Rich> damn power went off :/
[11:02] <K-Rich> any ideas ?
[11:03] <s0cks> Hey.
[11:03] <s0cks> ogra.
[11:03] <pavkonti> thanks
[11:03] <s0cks> Or anyone else of Ubuntu scholarship.
[11:04] <s0cks> Ok.
[11:04] <s0cks> nevermind.
[11:06] <bob2> K-Rich: hoary??
[11:08] <[Miles] > hi
[11:10] <[Miles] > is there many differents between using or not the nvidia graphics card driver? (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto)
[11:13] <stuNNed> better display here, at least on laptop, but also slower on laptop
[11:13] <bob2> with thre Free one you get better support, with the binary one ou get 3d acceleration
[11:14] <[Miles] > ok, thanks
[11:16] <will> yeah i have installed the one through synaptic, and i have bad performance
[11:16] <will> (nvidia driver)
[11:50] <woody> bob2, can you help with a non-related Ubuntu question ?
[11:50] <woody> ogra ?
[11:50] <woody> amarnath ?
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> woody
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> what is it?
[11:51] <woody> My network admin is giving us challenge to crack the Administrator's password using a guest account in Windows XP
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> what do you get in return?
[11:51] <housetier> does google get its share too?
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> im going to sleep
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> goodnight all
[11:52] <woody> Well I get to use the Compaq Ipaq and I want to install Ubuntu in it
[11:52] <Lowry> hi all
[11:52] <woody> So anybody has done it, please give me some tips, I want to show that Windows XP is a easy nut to crack
[11:52] <Lowry> Having a problem with a flash drive and ppc ubuntu
[11:53] <Lowry> I am trying to unmout it
[11:53] <woody> Please somebody must have done it or has some ideas on it
[11:53] <woody> Crack XP's Administrator password using a guest account ?
[11:53] <Lowry> But get an error "could not determine the path of device: No such file or directory"?
[11:54] <Lowry> Any help or tips?
[11:56] <will> woody,  cant you use l0pht?
[11:56] <woody> RuffianSoldier, any ideas ?
[11:56] <woody> Well I can't install l0phtcrack using a Guest Account
[11:57] <will> oh of course
[11:57] <woody> How is that possible ?
[11:58] <will> well maybe email the hashes t another machine (ie a laptop on a wireless card in the vacinity, then email it back)
[11:59] <will> otherwise you will have to speak to someone else, because this is a channel for Ubuntu support, not hacking MS passwords
[12:01] <will> okay ppl, restarting brb
[12:01] <spacey`ki> woody, there are rescue's cd's which can reset passwords.
[12:01] <Lowry> rejected 2nd flash drive
[12:01] <Lowry> restarting
[12:01] <Lowry> later
[12:06] <bob2> woody: please  go elsewhere, this is not an approriate topic for this channel
[12:06] <Toastie> Anyone here understands udev?
[12:08] <woody> Ok man
[12:08] <Toastie> Can I create a udev rule that'll merge with a later rule?
[12:08] <woody> Well Windows XP is just as good as Linux in terms of security
[12:09] <stuNNed> woody, ok, thank you drive through.
[12:10] <will> good luck!
[12:11] <woody> Ha, I will be back later after cracking the xp's password
[12:13] <will> ya hah as we say in sweden
[12:18] <rapha> Hi all
[12:18] <rapha> How come Ubuntu doesn't have a -dev package for GAIM? I'm missing gaim.pc and a couple of other things.
[12:19] <sid77> rapha: I think that is because neither debian got one. I need it for trying out otr plugin and it was ok to just download the sources from gaim web site
[12:19] <Cope> Good day; just read the faq - it mentions not being able to install to disk from the live cd; what about from the latest gnoppix cd? Is this poossible, a la knoppix?
[12:19] <rapha> sid77: Well yeah, but that is suboptimal at best.
[12:21] <sid77> rapha: it works, and I haven't to compile it again. the sources have everything needed (at least for that plugin)
[12:21] <rapha> Yeah, I'm compiling it from source now, too.
[12:22] <sid77> rapha: sorry for my english, but I do not compile it!
[12:23] <rapha> sid77: nm.
[12:24] <sid77> rapha: if you need only dev files get the sources and point the plugin stuff to the unpacked sources, it will extract everytihng needed from sources directory
[12:25] <bob2> Cope: if you want to install, use the install cd
[12:25] <rapha> sid77: I wanted to upgrade anyway...
[12:26] <sid77> rapha: ok 8) (but haven't hoary the latest gaim?)
[12:26] <Cope> heh, ok; its just I have the gnoppix cd and don't have the install one; Few hours download should fix that :-)
[12:26] <rapha> sid77: Nope. Not entirely.
[12:29] <stuNNed> mozilla-thunderbird has been out for a few weeks now, any idea when it will make it into ubuntu unstable?
[12:30] <Prasatko> Hello, I have a notebook without CDROM,FDD, and NET. is it possible to install ubunto from HDD? (i can copy all files from cd to hdd, or the whole iso)
[12:31] <bob2> stuNNed: thunderbird is in both warty and hoary
[12:31] <bob2> if you mean 1.0, is it in sid yet?
[12:32] <stuNNed> bob2, not sure let me check
[12:33] <stuNNed> bob2, ah, not yet, wonder why
[12:33] <Guest> hallow
[12:47] <Prasatko> help please. is it possible to install ubuntu from dos?
[12:47] <will> you can use loadlin
[12:51] <Prasatko> will: thanx, i'll try it :)
[12:54] <kuru> I'm trying to figure out this samba thing in ubuntu.. I create a user but I can't seem to find where the password file for samba is stored
[12:55] <kuru> normally named 'smbpasswd' (not the executable binary.. but also the password file)
[12:57] <Prasatko> will: i'm not able to find loadlin.exe, can you help me where it is?
[12:58] <Prasatko> will: ok, i have just found one
[12:59] <will> Prasatko: its no easy thing (from what i have heard) but check out:http://www.eskimo.com/~praxis/loadlin.html
[01:02] <Prasatko> will: ok. i will try it.
[01:03] <will> does anyone know anything about BEEP media player here
[01:04] <housetier> I use it regularly
[01:04] <will> when i click in the playlist add/sub/sel/misc the selections come up in the top left corner of gnome!!
[01:06] <housetier> yep it used to do that
[01:07] <housetier> compile from cvs if you are brave, live with it until updates are available if you are not-so-brave
[01:09] <will> housetier:thanks!
[01:21] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:22] <clba1234> just installed ubuntu but installer didnt ask for root password. now i cant become root. whats going on?
[01:23] <Friczy> clba1234: there is no root login in ubuntu by default
[01:23] <clba1234> Friczy, ?
[01:23] <Friczy> the first created user can use sudo <command> with its own password
[01:23] <clba1234> and why?
[01:23] <Friczy> because ubuntu team consider it more secure
[01:24] <clba1234> And how can i activate the root account?
[01:24] <Friczy> you don't need to activate it.
[01:24] <Friczy> you can issue command as root using sudo
[01:24] <clba1234> sudo passwd root?
[01:25] <Friczy> no
[01:25] <Friczy> sudo will ask your password
[01:25] <Friczy> sudo <command>
[01:25] <Bolga> Hi all
[01:25] <clba1234> but i want to change roots password
[01:25] <Bolga> Can you help me... I've just installed Ubuntu
[01:25] <Friczy> clba1234: there is no root password at all, you cannot change it
[01:25] <Bolga> I want copy file to /usr/lib/ But I don't have the access. What to do ? Root ?
[01:26] <clba1234> so there is no user root at all?
[01:26] <Friczy> Bolga: as I said sudo cp <file to copy> <where to copy>
[01:26] <Bolga> I can't log as root either :(
[01:26] <Friczy> clba1234: there is root but you cannot login as root
[01:26] <Friczy> Bolga: just type it
[01:26] <Bolga> ok Friscy
[01:26] <Friczy> and you will see
[01:26] <Bolga> But I've a big range of file to copy :(
[01:27] <clba1234> but i can install x-window with user account?
[01:27] <Friczy> clba1234: with sudo you can
[01:27] <Friczy> clba1234: or with synaptic
[01:27] <clba1234> ill give that a try
[01:27] <Friczy> it asks the root pass at start and you can install whatever you want
[01:27] <Bolga> how to copy folder to folder ?
[01:27] <Friczy> not root. sorry
[01:27] <Friczy> your own pass
[01:28] <Friczy> Bolga: cp -R ....
[01:28] <clba1234> cu
[01:28] <Bolga> ok, cp -r and is taht possible to unzip a file to a folder ?
[01:30] <Friczy> Bolga: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:30] <Bolga> ok thx
[01:31] <will> is there a quicker way to test what you need (dev packages) for compiling?
[01:32] <Friczy> will: are you want to search for a package for a specific file?
[01:34] <will> Friczy: No im compiling, and everytime it asks for an extra lib to be installded, s i install it, then it asks for another....run a gain and so on!
[01:35] <Friczy> will: in this case you only can read the requirements. No quicker method I think
[01:36] <housetier> will what are you compiling?
[01:36] <Bolga> Friscy : It doesn't work : sudo cp -R /home/user/coco/ /usr/lib/games/quake2/
[01:36] <will> beep
[01:36] <will> but i have everything now,and its compiling away
[01:37] <Friczy> Bolga: what is the error message?
[01:37] <housetier> will check out "apt-get build-dep" next time :) it might help a little
[01:38] <will> housetier: dont have build-dep
[01:38] <Friczy> it worsk only if you got the program with apt-get source
[01:38] <housetier> will type "apt-get" and see what says next to "build-dep", between "source" and "dist-upgrade"
[01:39] <housetier> it works if there are build-dep informations available for a given package
[01:39] <Bolga> Can someone help me please, this doesn't work sudo cp -R /home/user/coco/ /usr/lib/games/quake2/ (copy a folder to a folder
[01:40] <will> housetier: how clever! what is thebuild-dep file in the cvs normally calledthen
[01:40] <woody> Hey all
[01:41] <woody> I got the XP's administrator's password from a Guest login !!!!!
[01:41] <Bolga> The copied files do not respect quake 2 fiel tree... And data type are false (a folder is copied as a file)
[01:41] <woody> hurray
[01:41] <housetier> will apt-get only works on repositories, it does get the information from a file, but not just any file on your filesystem
[01:42] <housetier> will apt-get buid-dep will try to find build-dep information about the given package in its database, then download and configure the packages one would need to actually compile the given package
[01:42] <will> ah okay
[01:43] <housetier> will and since bmp is in the repository, chances are that its build-dep information is as well
[01:44] <Bolga> Please, I wanna copy file to /usr/lib/games/quake2/ using ubuntu : How to ?
[01:45] <will> so once i have compiled a program and installed it, can i simply delete the dir with all the source and build in it?
[01:47] <housetier> Bolga try "sudo cp -R /home/user/coco/* /usr/lib/games/quake2/"
[01:48] <Bolga> ok, I try it right now
[01:49] <housetier> will you can, but its not necessary. besides you might want to update soon, keeping the source tree makes the cvs update simpler and quicker
[01:50] <Bolga> Housetier : you're my hero, it worked !
[01:50] <Bolga> Housetier : HAve you ever got Quake2 to work on Ubuntu ?
[01:51] <housetier> Bolga you might have a directory "coco" in /usr/lib/games/quake2 which probably is a leftover from the previous copy attempts. It is my guess you can safely remove this one directory
[01:51] <housetier> Bolga I only play gweled and xpat2
[01:52] <Bolga> Yes, I'm trying to delete /coco/ ... don't find the comand to remove or delete it :(
[01:53] <Bolga> ah, unset, that is
[01:53] <housetier> Bolga the command to delete something is "rm" for remove, rm usually only works on files. however, you can delete a directory and its contents with "rm -r /path/to/the/directory"
[01:53] <housetier> to delete an empty directory use "rmdir"
[01:53] <Bolga> ok
[01:54] <will> housetier: where is the best place to put all this source?
[01:54] <Bolga> Housetier : Do you know qukae2 pakage of Synaptic?
[01:54] <housetier> Bolga or to make things a little easier (maybe), use "sudo nautilus" so you have a file manager which might be easier to handle than the command line
[01:55] <housetier> will I usually add a user to the "src" group and put all kinds of sources in "/usr/src"
[01:55] <Bolga> AHHHHHHHHHHHH... it is what I'm looking for since two days right now !
[01:56] <housetier> will I must tell you I don't have ubuntu installed here, there might be a difference with this group thing
[01:57] <Friczy> will: if your source is downloaded from the 'official' repository then /usr/src, if from another source then /usr/local/src could be better - according to FHS
[01:58] <Bolga> Ok thx !
[01:58] <housetier> good point
[01:59] <will> thanks
[02:02] <Se7h> man this libs need a major update
[02:03] <Cloudchaser> does anyone know..if playing a game in cedega is faster than playing a game with regular wine?
[02:04] <svenl> Hello.
[02:04] <Cloudchaser> hi
[02:05] <Shufla> hello Ubuntiers :>
[02:05] <svenl> I need to rebuild a module for the ubuntu standard kernel, i know in debian you need kernel-build or something such, what is the status of that in ubuntu ?
[02:05] <Se7h> Cloudchaser it is
[02:06] <svenl> (and do anyone have experience with the ralink wireless rt2500 ?
[02:06] <svenl> )
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> i was thinking of trying it out for 3 months
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> but my pc is so old, and its a laptop
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> so the vid gets me every time
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> i can only play old games ;)
[02:10] <Friczy> svenl: the standard way to make a kernel is the same as in Debian as I know
[02:10] <Friczy> svenl: apt-get install kernel-package
[02:10] <Se7h> Cloudchaser u saying u want to pay ?
[02:10] <svenl> Friczy: it is to build modules for the official kernels, not building a kernel.
[02:10] <Se7h> lol
[02:10] <Friczy> svenl: I'm afraid you should recompile the kernel itself with the modules
[02:11] <svenl> Friczy: and thanks, but being the debian powerpc kernel (co-)maintainer, i know about kernel-package.
[02:11] <Friczy> or you can try make-kpkg modules_image
[02:12] <Friczy> but in this case you need the kernel source as well
[02:12] <Friczy> svenl: ok. sorry :)
[02:12] <svenl> Friczy: but it should be possible to build modules with some files from kernel-source tree that was used to build it, in debian it is kernel-headers, and kernel-build, if i remember well.
[02:13] <svenl> kernel-headers being generic, and kernel-build coming with the actual kernel subarch (k7, k8, and so on).
[02:13] <svenl> Wondered if this changed on ubuntu or not, will investigate, but thanks.
[02:14] <svenl> That said, it seems i am lucky, and the ralink wifi stuff got GPLed drivers, altough not very mature ones.
[02:35] <thenuke> any ideas of that how long it would take to clone 80GB HD with dd?   hour? two hours? 48hours? :)
[02:37] <spikeb> never cloned anything before
[02:40] <JD> thenuke: I cloned a 35GB drive, but I left it after an hour or so, so I dont know how long it took
[02:40] <JD> that was a few years ago now
[02:40] <thenuke> ij
[02:40] <thenuke> ok
[02:41] <thenuke> it would be better to use something which can tell you how long it will still run :)
[02:41] <Fator_Dee> umount: it seems /media/cdrom0 is mounted multiple times <- I get this kind of error when trying to unmount my dvd-drive, any tips what I should do to get it unmounted?
[02:48] <hazza96> Who hates the beep and that fact that you need to hit TAB *twice* to show the options on the command line completion?
[02:52] <thenuke> hazza96: the beep is very annoying yes :)
[02:52] <Fator_Dee> edit your profiles if you don't like the beep
[02:59] <maps73> Hy, evrybody
[02:59] <maps73> anyone read me? thanks
[02:59] <svenl> thenuke: try partimage. You can backup partitions over the network, and it has a nice graphical GUI.
[02:59] <maps73> it's the first time for me on irc
[03:00] <spikeb> hi maps73
[03:01] <maps73> hy spikeb, thank you .
[03:01] <maps73> I'm maps from italy and you?
[03:01] <spikeb> maps73, i'm spike from wisconsin USA
[03:01] <pedey> hi there people...
[03:02] <pedey> anyone able to give me some advice on installing ubuntu on MS Virtual PC?
[03:03] <maps73> spikeb, great. this morning i installed on my laptop ubuntu, and now i'm join to ubuntu channel for the first time. spikeb sorry for my english.
[03:03] <spikeb> maps73, well welcome aboard. glad to have you here.
[03:04] <maps73> spikeb, thank you. so, I0m trying to installa the flash player for my mozilla, but I'm not able. I'm trying to apt-get install .....???? but i don't know the right name for the flash modul...
[03:04] <ogra> pedey: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.7629841254
[03:05] <Friczy> maps73: As I know there is no flash player in .deb
[03:06] <Friczy> you can download the binary program and install it with its own installer
[03:06] <ogra> Friczy: there is one
[03:06] <Friczy> ogra: hmm.
[03:06] <Friczy> that's new for me
[03:06] <ogra> Friczy: in multi or universe
[03:06] <spikeb> maps73, flash isn't in the default repositories. you have to enable multiverse  - this shows you how http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse
[03:06] <pedey> ogra, thanks but I cannot even install ubuntu to get to that prblem :)
[03:06] <pedey> I keep getting an error when intalling the base system
[03:06] <ogra> pedey: sorry, thats all i have .....
[03:06] <Friczy> in this case it should be in multiverse.
[03:07] <etorix> flash-plugin non-free or so
[03:07] <spikeb> good morning ogra
[03:07] <pedey> well thanks for trying
[03:07] <ogra> mornig
[03:07] <maps73> ok, now i try it
[03:07] <ogra> spikeb: hehe, 3pm here (but indeed i just woke up)
[03:07] <spikeb> ogra, hehe
[03:07] <spikeb> maps73, there is an italian ubuntu channel, as well - #ubuntu-it
[03:07] <etorix> synaptic should show it in a search
[03:08] <ogra> flashplayer-mozilla
[03:08] <pedey> I just get the same error message every time I try to install: "Base system installation error"
[03:08] <spikeb> thats it?
[03:08] <spikeb> how...vague of an error message
[03:08] <ogra> nothing more ?
[03:08] <pedey> "the devbootstrap program exited with an error (return value 132)"
[03:09] <pedey> and thats as far as I have been able to get
[03:09] <maps73> ok
[03:19] <pedey> the message log says "No matching physical volumes found"
[03:19] <ogra> pedey: thats what i suspected
[03:20] <pedey> ogra, know how to remedy the prob?
[03:20] <ogra> pedey: but i'm not sure if its the install medium or the target disk yet
[03:20] <pedey> ok - basically, I am running w2k with MS Vitual PC 2004
[03:21] <pedey> and when I am going through the install set up...
[03:22] <pedey> I must screw up on the "Partition disks" section of the installer (comes just before "install the base system")
[03:22] <ogra> pedey: you must screw it up ??
[03:23] <pedey> heh - I must have screwed up
[03:23] <pedey> (the partition section)
[03:24] <pedey> but to be honest i did it without a full understanding of the process
[03:24] <ogra> pedey:you have a virtual disk there, use it like a real one :)
[03:24] <spikeb> i do that all the time
[03:24] <spikeb> lol
[03:26] <ogra> andrea: huh ?
[03:26] <andrea> some great changes
[03:27] <ogra> heh
[03:27] <ogra> andrea: because nobody could pronounce it ?
[03:27] <andrea> andrea: maybe..
[03:28] <ogra> andrea: or did the hidden part of your split personality take over now ?
[03:28] <ogra> *g*
[03:29] <andrea> ogra: i think you're right
[03:29] <ogra> lol
[03:30] <gustavor> has anyone used pymedia with ubuntu?
[03:30] <ZzeCoOl> Hi guys i wanna ask you if there is a way to have the same quality with windows when watcing movies (dvix,vxid) in ubuntu??.My setup is ATi radeon 9700 pro with the latest driver from apt-get (i follow a how to from ubuntu site)
[03:31] <ZzeCoOl> The quality is a total crap instead of Bsplayers quality in windows
[03:31] <ZzeCoOl> plz give me any help
[03:31] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: do you use totem-xine ?
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl> gxine and xine
[03:32] <ogra> and which site did you follow ?
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl> tetom doesnt support xvid
[03:32] <etorix> but ati / linux drivers ..
[03:32] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: totem-xine does
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl> i follow binary insrtallation how to for my vgta driver
[03:32] <ogra> aa: multiple personalitys *g*
[03:32] <aa> ogra: is this any better?
[03:33] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: why dont you use the ubuntu ones ?
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> driver?
[03:33] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: ati ?
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> i get it from apt get
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> so it is ubuntus
[03:33] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: ah, ok
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> but you must do some more configs
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> to make it run properly
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> but this isnt the point
[03:34] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: you followed this ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> the point is the quality of xvids
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> yes yes
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:34] <ogra> k
[03:34] <HcE> bad codecs perhaps?
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know much with linux
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> i get xvidlib or something  from synaptic too
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> is there any optimizitions for the codecs?
[03:35] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: see if you can get w32codecs.....
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> sould i change them with something better
[03:35] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: its a deb package
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> ogra
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> i cant
[03:36] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: xine uses it if its there
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> i dont have a repository that have them
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> i dont have a repository that have w32codecs
[03:36] <abelli> ok.. here it is the final work
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> if you know some plz let me know
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> im upgrading to hoary right know maybe this one works better
[03:37] <ogra>  ZzeCoOl: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/w32codecs_20040916-0.0_i386.deb
[03:37] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: nope, i dont think so..... you have a lot of breakage in hoary
[03:37] <Prasatko> Help I tried to run Ubuntu install from hdd from DOS (because i don't have any CDROM,FDD or NET), using this "loadlin.exe vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz root=/dev/ram ramdisk_size=10000 devfs=mount,dall" but it always says "Wrong loader, giving up" is it possible to install it this way
[03:38] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: as its the dev system and changes daily
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> ohhh yes and something else does xorg in hoary work with ATI?
[03:39] <rituraj> hi room
[03:39] <rituraj> hows everybody
[03:40] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: not with atis drivers
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl> damn
[03:40] <rituraj> just yesterday i purchased new AMD64
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl> i allready start the upgrade
[03:40] <rituraj> i was looking for a OS which supports 64 bit
[03:40] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: so just stop it ? is it still downloading ?
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl> you are looking for kernel that support 64bit
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> ogra
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> it still doewnloading
[03:41] <rituraj> any idea how ubuntu runs on amd64...
[03:41] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: then its safe to stop
[03:41] <rituraj> not just kernel
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> and all the downloaded packages?
[03:41] <rituraj> all app support in 64 bit
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> how can i delete them?
[03:41] <ogra> rituraj: pretty good
[03:41] <rituraj> :)
[03:41] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: sudo apt-get clean
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> ok thanx
[03:42] <rituraj> any pointers /reviews online which i can read reg ubuntu on amd64?
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> or maybe  not
[03:42] <ogra> rituraj: you just have probs with binary compiled stuff for 32bit (flash for example)
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> hmmmm is there any reason not to upgrade?
[03:42] <rituraj> i wanted first to compile it natively instead of using precompiled binaries....using gentoo or LFS
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> are everything going wrong in hory?
[03:42] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: despite the ati drivers ?
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> haory sorry
[03:43] <rituraj> i c
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:43] <ogra> rituraj: you cant compile flash, there is no source
[03:43] <rituraj> but then gentoo requres too much online downloading to do which i cannot do from my home...and LFS does not support it so i came back to Debian my love
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl> somewhere i read that they are some modified drivers for ATi with xorg
[03:44] <rituraj> and as Ubuntu is based on debian i wud give it a try
[03:44] <rituraj> i c
[03:44] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: there are xorg drivers for ati, but not the ati ones (for 3d and gaming)
[03:44] <rituraj> but i heard abt flash being coipled for 64 bit on a gentoo list
[03:44] <rituraj> compiled
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl> im confused
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl> u mean that you cant run 3d appl?
[03:45] <ogra> rituraj: depends on macromedia....if they offer it.....
[03:45] <magnon> hm, any place I can search the package repositories online?
[03:45] <magnon> 33k modems suck for downloading universe
[03:45] <rituraj> i c...i hate these proprietory s/w makers
[03:45] <rituraj> Ubuntu looks cool
[03:46] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: the binary driver from ati brings mor acceleration, its important for games...the xorg one only has basic suppport for that
[03:46] <rituraj> is anybody realy running ubuntu for amd64 here?
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl> fuck
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl> sorry
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl> **
[03:46] <rituraj> i wanted to know hurdles....regarding SATA drive...installation troubles etc etc if there are any
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: someone told me that when the upgrade finished ...it ask you if you want xorg
[03:47] <Creap> rituraj: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
[03:48] <rituraj> Thks Creap for the link
[03:48] <rituraj> :)
[03:48] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: the w32codecs link that you gave me doesnt working
[03:48] <ogra> rituraj: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-amd64.iso
[03:49] <ACIDnet> im bored!! what can i do/??
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl> jump from the widow
[03:49] <rituraj> but does ubuntu for amd64 detect SATA?
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl> window
[03:49] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: its a single package, not a repo....download the package
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl> ..lol or jump a widow
[03:49] <rituraj> where can i find the documentation?
[03:50] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: i know it doesnt working
[03:50] <ogra> rituraj: look in the wiki, or the mailing list archives......
[03:50] <rituraj> guess i will install and then document it :)
[03:50] <rituraj> oh ok
[03:50] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: it did here just fine
[03:50] <ZzeCoOl> damn
[03:50] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: tried it.... a second ago
[03:51] <rituraj> but i really think that there should be fine doc like gentoo...for ubuntu (a seaparate for amd64 or every platform)
[03:51] <rituraj> i wud love to participate in such activity
[03:51] <ogra> rituraj: there is a installer doc....http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[03:51] <rituraj> let me get it wrking on my system
[03:51] <ogra> rituraj: but thats more general....
[03:52] <rituraj> exactly
[03:52] <rituraj> and its under i386
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> ogra:
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> can you just dcc it to me
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[03:52] <rituraj> :)
[03:52] <ogra> rituraj: shouldnt make much difference for installation
[03:52] <rituraj> thats true
[03:52] <rituraj> i agree ogra
[03:52] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: 11MB ?
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> hmm
[03:53] <rituraj> but i am talking abt improving the quality and availability of DOC for diff platforms
[03:53] <rituraj> for new / novice users
[03:53] <ACIDnet> hmmm, pc is sounding odd
[03:53] <ACIDnet> i think a fan is gone
[03:53] <ogra> rituraj: everybody would really appreciate if you make a wikipage ..... :)
[03:53] <ACIDnet> or going
[03:53] <rituraj> let me install it out on my pC and then i wud like to devote a time for that
[03:54] <rituraj> sure :)
[03:54] <rituraj> i wud love to thanks
[03:54] <ogra> ACIDnet: finally something against the bordom :)
[03:54] <ogra> +e
[03:54] <ACIDnet> great, toubleshooting a pc
[03:54] <ogra> ACIDnet: better then jumping off windows
[03:55] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:55] <ZzeCoOl> it depends if you are speaking abour m$ "Windows"
[03:55] <ZzeCoOl> about even
[03:56] <ogra> i just realised that *g*
[03:56] <ACIDnet> there we go
[03:56] <ACIDnet> that sounds better
[03:58] <ZzeCoOl> ogra there nothing for w32codecs in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[03:58] <ZzeCoOl> how the hell did you downloaded from there?
[03:59] <ZzeCoOl> acidrip and acroread packages only
[03:59] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: i see it, its the pre last package there
[04:00] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: w32codecs_20040916-0.0_i386.deb  	11401 KB  	30.09.2004  	06:44:00
[04:00] <ZzeCoOl> arggar
[04:00] <ZzeCoOl> do you want a print screen of what i can see there?
[04:00] <ZzeCoOl> there is no w32codecs for sure
[04:01] <Benbis> Hello everyone
[04:01] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: i just clicked the url you posted in xchat.....i see it
[04:01] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: neverming thanx anyway i found a mirro in google
[04:02] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: ok.....
[04:02] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: but its strange anyway....
[04:02] <occy> anyone here a guru with /etc/ppp/if-down.local
[04:02] <ZzeCoOl> http://mcormond.jammys.net/packages/xandros2.5/
[04:03] <ogra> occy: you are still on it ?
[04:03] <ZzeCoOl> here but it isnt in your link for sure
[04:03] <occy> Trying to get it to killall -9 epic4     and it's not doing it
[04:03] <Benbis> Does anyone know if there is a driver for the HP dvd writer 300i? I can't install as installation stalls saying it can't mount cd-rom drive.
[04:03] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: it is, for sure
[04:03] <occy> ogra: I got if-up.local working :)
[04:03] <ogra> :)
[04:04] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: try look here  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[04:04] <ZzeCoOl> do you see w32codecs?
[04:04] <ogra> yep
[04:04] <occy> wifes home, gotta help with the kiddies.  bbl
[04:04] <ogra> at the bottom of the page....
[04:04] <ogra> two pkgs
[04:04] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[04:05] <ZzeCoOl> this cant be happen
[04:05] <ogra> one from july and one from sept.
[04:05] <zenrox> orga you should actuly make that a repo
[04:05] <ZzeCoOl> how is it posible that i cant see them?
[04:05] <ogra> zenrox: it is one.... but very broken currently
[04:05] <spikeb> you're blinde
[04:05] <spikeb> blind
[04:05] <zenrox> ogra ya if you use hoary
[04:05] <ogra> zenrox: ZzeCoOl only needs w32codecs
[04:06] <spikeb> heh
[04:06] <ZzeCoOl> no problem right now i found them
[04:06] <spikeb> i see them too
[04:06] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[04:06] <ogra> zenrox: nope, for warty....for hoary marillat isnt necessary at all
[04:06] <spikeb> HEH
[04:06] <ZzeCoOl> i cant see im blind then i dond know im confused
[04:06] <Benbis> Okies, guess not.
[04:07] <ogra> Benbis: is it a scsi drive ?
[04:07] <Benbis> No, it isn't
[04:07] <ogra> Benbis: plain IDE ?
[04:07] <ogra> Benbis: should work
[04:08] <ogra> Benbis: a burned iso ? or a ordered cd ?
[04:08] <Benbis> burned iso
[04:08] <zenrox> Benbis,  might be bad iso
[04:08] <ogra> Benbis: at which speed did you burn ?
[04:08] <Benbis> 16x
[04:09] <ogra> Benbis: you should do not faster then 4x
[04:09] <zenrox> 8x max
[04:09] <Benbis> Okies, thanks. I'll try that and retry
[04:09] <Benbis> bbl if it doesn't work. Thanks.
[04:09] <ogra> Benbis: and how did you burn it ?
[04:09] <zenrox> n/p
[04:10] <zenrox> morning bender__
[04:10] <Benbis> nero. Straightforward image burn
[04:10] <ogra> Benbis: ah, ok, we have many ppl here that drag n drop the iso to nero
[04:11] <Benbis> okies. I`ll try the slower burn and retry installing. bbiab
[04:11] <Benbis> thanks for the help
[04:12] <davmor2> does anyone know a way of play avi file on a 64bit system
[04:13] <ogra> davmor2: totem-xine ?
[04:14] <davmor2> ogra do I need any codecs or will they be built in
[04:14] <spikeb> yeah you need the win32 codecs
[04:14] <davmor2> can't downlod them
[04:14] <davmor2> they don't show up
[04:15] <ogra> spikeb: no win32 codecs for 64bit :p
[04:16] <spikeb> what, 64 bit software isnt smart enough to read 32 bit codecs?
[04:16] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[04:16] <ogra> davmor2: basic avi support should be in.....if you need extra codecs you need a chroot environment for them
[04:16] <ogra> spikeb: these are windows compiled 32bit binarys.....
[04:16] <davmor2> orga what the hell is chroot
[04:17] <davmor2> ogra even I'm still reatively new to linux
[04:17] <ogra> davmor2: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html#chroot
[04:18] <ogra> davmor2: its like a system inside the system.....
[04:18] <spikeb> heh
[04:18] <spikeb> good thing im sticking to 32 bit stuff for a while
[04:19] <davmor2> ogra ta
[04:35] <TUXedo> hi
[04:35] <TUXedo> i need to mount ntfs disks
[04:36] <TUXedo> but if i try, Gnome says that i dont have permission to view the disk content
[04:37] <TUXedo> can somebody help me with that?
[04:37] <ogra> TUXedo: do you mount with an fstab entry ?
[04:37] <ogra> you must give the umask option to mount....
[04:37] <TUXedo> yes, i've set it with user,noauto,ro
[04:38] <TUXedo> umask?
[04:38] <linkmark> I just installed ubuntu on my test pc, but the installer is so limited ):
[04:38] <ogra> let it lookk like this: user,noauto,ro,umask=000
[04:39] <ogra> linkmark: it has an expert and a custom mode....
[04:39] <TUXedo> umask doesnt work
[04:39] <TUXedo> at least the way i inserted it...
[04:39] <ogra> TUXedo: it does for hundreds of ppl
[04:39] <bohrbug> does xmltv exist for ubuntu. Googling suggests that it does (in universe), but I can't find it using apt
[04:39] <TUXedo> then im doin it completely wrong
[04:40] <linkmark> ogra: yes, but i still think it's quite limited. The installation instead, was very smooth. without any problem.
[04:40] <ogra> TUXedo: show the complete fstab line
[04:40] <TUXedo>  /dev/hda5 /media/WindowsXP auto   ro,user,noauto,umask 0 0
[04:40] <TUXedo> is that correct?
[04:40] <ogra> TUXedo: nope
[04:40] <TUXedo> oh...
[04:40] <ogra> TUXedo:  /dev/hda5 /media/WindowsXP ntfs  ro,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0
[04:41] <HcE> umask=222 ? You can't write to ntfs anyway
[04:41] <ogra> HcE: and its mounted ro anyway ;)
[04:41] <TUXedo> i gonna try it, wait a second
[04:42] <ogra> so it doesnt really matter....
[04:42] <HcE> nope
[04:42] <HcE> or, when you copy files it does matter
[04:42] <HcE> maybe 022 would be preferable?
[04:42] <ogra> hmm, but 000 works just fine....
[04:42] <HcE> sure
[04:42] <xare> hello
[04:42] <TUXedo> IT WORKS!
[04:42] <TUXedo> THX
[04:43] <ogra> :)
[04:43] <HcE> but everything you copy will be writable for everybody
[04:43] <xare> I have been trying too get the live cd to work and it gives me an Error 21
[04:43] <TUXedo> thats not the problem for my home computer
[04:43] <ogra> HcE: ah, ok, forgot that.....i will advise 022 in the future
[04:43] <xare> and does not boot
[04:44] <ogra> TUXedo: but thats the way windows got where it stands now ;)
[04:44] <ogra> xare: did you try the different boot options ?
[04:44] <TUXedo> actually i dont have to know, but what does this umask command mean? Is it something with file permissions?
[04:45] <xare> ogra: it offers no options to me
[04:45] <ogra> TUXedo: yep....it masks them with the user rights you gave it
[04:45] <xare> It says
[04:45] <ogra> xare: there is a bootmenu
[04:45] <ogra> afaik
[04:45] <xare> I know
[04:45] <xare> But in my laptop it does not reach there
[04:46] <TUXedo> ok, i wont disturb you further guys
[04:46] <TUXedo> thx again
[04:46] <ogra> TUXedo: welcome :)
[04:46] <formula8> what is colin watson's nick?
[04:46] <TUXedo> :)
[04:47] <xare> It says: Boot CD-Rom: Non-Emulation Booting // Loading stage1.5 //GRUB loading, please wait...//Error 21
[04:47] <xare> In another computer I had no problems
[04:47] <xare> I booted with it no prob.
[04:48] <ogra> xare: hmm, some laptops have weird bioses...is it a dell ?
[04:54] <xare> it is an acer
[04:57] <ogra> xare: i dont know to much about acer...dell is well known for breaking bioses, but probably acer now follows them
[04:57] <xare> could it be my grub loader?
[04:58] <ogra> xare: i dont think so if the cd worked on other systems
[05:06] <zaeem> hi bob2
[05:07] <zaeem> hi all
[05:08] <zaeem> hey guys..
[05:08] <zaeem> everybody asleep?
[05:12] <occy> anyone here know how  /etc/ppp/if-down.local works?  I need to know if it is executed AFTER poff.wvdial kills ppp or before.
[05:12] <occy> I can't find a man page on it.
[05:12] <occy> and google seems to provide little help
[05:14] <occy> I have:  su - c "epic -b -n nick -c \#somechan irc.someserver.com" nobody  in /etc/ppp/ip-up.local   and that works fine
[05:17] <gir_> hi, which program do people like to use for burning cds and dvds?
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> growisofs
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> for dvds
[05:18] <gir_> Fator_Dee: is that gtk, or does it have a frontend?
[05:20] <bronson> gir_: k3b is probably the easiest/most capable.
[05:20] <bronson> It's what I use.
[05:20] <bronson> But I've heard good things about gcoaster.
[05:20] <gir_> bronson: okay thanks,
[05:20] <gir_> bronson: I'll check those out
[05:20] <Fator_Dee> well, it's not that hard to use growisofs even if it is a console program
[05:20] <zaeem> hey guys
[05:20] <zaeem> hey bob2
[05:21] <zaeem> i just upgraded to hoary and now i cant install mono in it
[05:21] <gir_> Fator_Dee: yeah while i'm fine with the other users are very new to nix
[05:21] <gir_> Fator_Dee: yeah while i'm fine with that, the other users are very new to nix
[05:22] <linuxjones> hi everybody Merry Christmas
[05:23] <ogra> linuxjones: hi, same to you :)
[05:23] <linuxjones> hi ogra :)
[05:24] <ogra> linuxjones: even you are a little late.....
[05:24] <linuxjones> I have been busy doing the family thing
[05:24] <twinsoul> does anybody know if k3b is gonna be supported in hoary(seen it writen by someone somewhere in ubuntu forums)
[05:24] <ogra> heh, i worked around this this year
[05:25] <ogra> twinsoul: nope, never
[05:26] <ogra> twinsoul: there wont be any qt based software ain main, only in universe....but there is the kubuntu project for kde lovers
[05:26] <ogra> -a
[05:26] <zaeem> hey can any one help me with installing mono in hoary?
[05:26] <gir_> bronson: did you mean groaster?
[05:27] <maps73> hy, could anyone try lookingGlass3D on ubuntu?
[05:27] <twinsoul> i'm not kde lover.as ametter of fact i'm not even using GNU/Linux,just getting informed before i mess my pc
[05:28] <florian> hi
[05:28] <linuxjones> hi florian
[05:28] <gir_> twinsoul: go for it, but you will have to learn a couple of things as you go along
[05:28] <ogra> twinsoul: you cn install k3b, its there but it will never be a supported app as its qt based
[05:28] <florian> i'm trying to install ubuntu but it's not so simple :( many problems... more than with debian :(
[05:29] <naibed> hi
[05:29] <linuxjones> florian, what kind of problems ?
[05:29] <ogra> twinsoul: the plan is to use the upcoming bruning functionallity in rhythmbox for audio and the already existing data burning in nautilus
[05:29] <florian> it begins to freeze with "starting hotplug subsystem" ... as i read on the web i try a "alt-sysrq-e" to continue
[05:30] <ogra> florian: what kind of HW =
[05:30] <florian> after that it freezes when trying to install packages
[05:30] <ogra> ?
[05:30] <florian> msi megapc
[05:30] <linuxjones> florian, it locks up solid  or jsut slows down ?
[05:30] <florian> solid
[05:30] <linuxjones> florian, how old is that mobo ?
[05:30] <florian> i bought it for christmas :)
[05:31] <ogra> florian: is it from a burned iso or a shipped ubuntu cd ?
[05:31] <florian> ogra : a burned one
[05:31] <linuxjones> florian, so it is a new or has the model been around for a while ?
[05:31] <ogra> florian: at which speed did you burn ?
[05:31] <florian> ogra : 48x
[05:31] <florian> lifeless: it's not so new
[05:31] <ogra> florian: should be bewtween 4x and 8x
[05:31] <florian> ogra: why ?!?
[05:32] <ogra> florian: becaue else you can get read errors :)
[05:32] <ogra> florian: there is an option to check the media in the boot options, try that
[05:32] <twinsoul> does anybody use mldonkey(just wanna know if it works beforehand)
[05:33] <ogra> twinsoul: i dont use it, but know some ppl and it works there :)
[05:33] <twinsoul> ogra: thks
[05:33] <gir_> what do you guys think is a minimum amount of ram to fun ubuntu and gnome?
[05:34] <ogra> gir_: 128 is hard to use, but works 256 is recommended
[05:34] <gir_> this box is a bit sluggish, with 128mb (non-ddr)
[05:34] <linuxjones> gir_, 128 is not really enough
[05:34] <ogra> gir_: as i said, hard to use ;)
[05:35] <gir_> ogra: i agree, i'll update when i get a chance
[05:35] <gir_> 512 ddr would be nice
[05:35] <rattboi> gir: I'm using a similar setup
[05:35] <rattboi> but it's just for fun
[05:36] <rattboi> I may get more RAM soon though
[05:36] <rattboi> it's hard to find old PC100 ram though :(
[05:36] <gir_> yeah it's okay for browsing email etc, but oo and scribus are far too sluggish
[05:36] <rattboi> anyone know where to get cheap PC100 ram?
[05:36] <rattboi> what's scribus?
[05:37] <gir_> rattboi: are you at school university? ask the it dep. they're always throwing stuff out here
[05:37] <gir_> rattboi: it's a desktop publisher
[05:37] <rattboi> gir_, nope, not at uni
[05:38] <rattboi> most people use xchat?
[05:38] <ogra> gir_: the prob is that scribus pulls in ll the qt libs.....they need plenty of extra space in your ram
[05:38] <ogra> all
[05:39] <ogra> rattboi: i do
[05:39] <gir_> ogra: what's an ll?
[05:39] <rattboi> I'm wondering if there's a way to do like MDI like mIRC does
[05:39] <ogra> gir_: i corrected it in the next line ;)
[05:39] <rattboi> so I can have all the windows tiled instead of tabbed
[05:39] <gir_> ogra: :)
[05:40] <ogra> rattboi: never tried that, i'm fine with tabbed
[05:40] <gir_> ogra: so scribus is a qt app?
[05:40] <ogra> gir_: afaik yes
[05:41] <rattboi> ogra: me too, sometimes
[05:41] <rattboi> but I've been running like 5 windows
[05:41] <rattboi> and it's annoying switching between, even with keyboard
[05:43] <biezt> hi ?
[05:43] <gir_> does anyone know a good way to manage mp3 and ogg track tags using rhythmbox as music player?
[05:43] <biezt> is ubuntu a good linux to start with ?
[05:43] <naibed> gir_, use amarok :P
[05:44] <ogra> biezt: yep
[05:44] <biezt> and which should i down for a pentium 2 ?
[05:44] <gir_> naibed: okay i'll take a look, thanks
[05:44] <ogra> gir_: rb isnt able to edit tags currently
[05:44] <biezt> so it boots from cd
[05:45] <biezt> plz :P
[05:45] <ogra> biezt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[05:45] <rattboi> boots from cd?
[05:45] <rattboi> you mean live cd?
[05:46] <ogra> then it would be this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[05:46] <ogra> biezt: the first one installs to disk, the second runs from cd
[05:46] <ogra> biezt: but they both _boot_ from cd
[05:47] <flodin> why does ubuntu tie distro releases to specific versions of applications, rather than continuously providing updates of individual applications as new versions become available? (e.g.: firefox 1.0)
[05:47] <ogra> flodin: thats wrong, ubuntu ties to a schedule
[05:48] <ogra> flodin: so you get whatever is available on distro freeze
[05:48] <rattboi> flodin, there's just not isos for the most recent stuff
[05:48] <rattboi> you can update to the newest stuff easily enough
[05:48] <ogra> not if you want to stick to a stable full supported system
[05:49] <rattboi> no, that's true
[05:49] <rattboi> but hoary's funner :P
[05:49] <flodin> ogra: i'm not sure what the difference is between that and what i said, but still, why do they do that?
[05:49] <ogra> i.e. if you use it in your company setup
[05:49] <rattboi> flodin, what would you prefer?
[05:49] <rattboi> isos every time a program gets updated? :P
[05:50] <ogra> flodin: because its a way to guarantee a 6 months release cycle... all other ways wouldnt work
[05:50] <flodin> rattboi: no need for isos, just put the new deb package up on the main repository
[05:50] <maps73> Hy, could anyone help me to install a new windows manager? thanks
[05:50] <rattboi> flodin, all the newest stuff usually means unstable
[05:50] <rattboi> is that ok with you?
[05:50] <ogra> flodin: it would need testing and support
[05:51] <rattboi> also, can you name a distro that does what you're saying?
[05:51] <ogra> flodin: which would burn valuable dev time from the upcoming release
[05:51] <flodin> ogra: but don't the application developers already do this? Are you saying that ubuntu feels firefox 1.0 is a less stable program than 0.9?
[05:51] <ogra> flodin: yes, it was when warty got stable
[05:51] <zenwhen> flodin, it isnt so hard to compile firefox yourself.
[05:52] <zenwhen> ;)
[05:52] <rattboi> very not hard
[05:52] <rattboi> I did it and I'm a retard
[05:52] <zenwhen> see>
[05:52] <zenwhen> :P
[05:52] <flodin> ogra: yes but i mean now. Why does it take time from developers to put the deb package for 1.0 out now, if they're going to be putting that on the next iso anyway
[05:52] <ogra> flodin: i.e. many probs with https based homebanking apps javascript was versy broken etc
[05:52] <rattboi> flodin, because that's the stable branch
[05:52] <occy> are there any good apps like ytalk or talk based on gnome?
[05:53] <flodin> zenwhen: no, but as a general solution that makes it hard to keep track where files are put on your filesystem if you want to remove the package later
[05:53] <zenwhen> ogra, If I am not mistaken it also broke internationalazation, which defeated the whoe POINT of Ubuntu.
[05:53] <ogra> flodin: because stable means it wont recieve upadates that aer not critical...so they can concentrate on testing and developing the next stable relaese
[05:53] <zenwhen> flodin, checkinstall; probelm solved
[05:53] <ogra> zenwhen: yep :)
[05:54] <flodin> ok.
[05:54] <rattboi> flodin, like ogra says, constant updates and support would be a bitch! :)
[05:54] <flodin> doesn't really need to be supported
[05:54] <ogra> eapecially in such a short release cycle
[05:55] <ogra> flodin: but thats the point of main....everything in there _is_ fully supported
[05:55] <zenwhen> If people want new software versions, it is SO EASY to get them.
[05:55] <flodin> ogra: ok
[05:55] <zenwhen> Hell, if nothing else you can download the precompiled version for linux from mozilla.org
[05:55] <zenwhen> it works perfectly
[05:56] <flodin> zenwhen: yeah, it's not a problem with firefox since it sits pretty neatly in a directory of its own
[05:56] <ogra> flodin: so you can talk to your CTO and suggest him to use it in a company .... something thats impossible with debian
[05:56] <zenwhen> Myself, I just instaled the debian .deb, but I am naughty.
[05:56] <zenwhen> ;)
[05:56] <flodin> in my case i need the very latest version of gcc, but i prefer to keep everything else stable and supported
[05:57] <ogra> flodin: you could recompile it from the hoary source package
[05:57] <zenwhen> why do you need the latest gcc?
[05:57] <rattboi> flodin, what for?
[05:57] <rattboi> btw, is the newest 3.4.4?
[05:57] <flodin> rattboi: compiling my own project
[05:57] <ogra> flodin: said making your own backport.....
[05:57] <zenwhen> oh
[05:57] <pmfp> I hope y'all a'h happy now, ain't gonna be no win no moh'
[05:58] <rattboi> if I could find my osx disks, I'd dual boot this system
[05:58] <rattboi> but alas, I can't find them
[05:58] <flodin> rattboi: i believe it is yes, i don't remember
[05:58] <rattboi> yeah, I use 3.4.2, I believe
[05:58] <rattboi> for my project
[05:59] <rattboi> but that's ARM-based, so completely different
[05:59] <flodin> well the front end is still the same
[05:59] <flodin> and that underwent huge changes between 3.2 and 3.3 iirc
[05:59] <flodin> for c++ that is
[05:59] <flodin> they replaced the entire parser
[06:00] <rattboi> I know the backend in 3.4 changed a lot for ARM
[06:00] <rattboi> some awesome guy did a whole new float lib
[06:00] <rattboi> it's like 10x faster
[06:00] <ogra> flodin: on warty: gcc-3.4 - The GNU C compiler, cpp-3.4 - The GNU C preprocessor, whats your prob ???
[06:01] <ogra> flodin: its just not the default
[06:01] <flodin> ogra: no problem so far i'm just seeing that this could become a problem in the future
[06:01] <ogra> flodin: being 6 months outdated , oh come on...
[06:02] <rattboi> ogra, sometimes it matters
[06:02] <ogra> flodin: if you need bleeding edge you _can_ use hoary
[06:02] <zenwhen> ogra, he means when the internet stops existing and apt-get becomes worthless and we are all nomadic software devs praying for the internet to come back again.
[06:02] <flodin> ogra: if your source doesn't compile it doesn't matter if it's just a week outdated
[06:02] <ogra> heh
[06:02] <flodin> oh well
[06:03] <rattboi> if you can't get your code to compile, you're probably doing something pretty hacky
[06:03] <flodin> i didn't come here to ask about gcc specifically, i just used it to exemplify my concerns. I got my questions answered
[06:03] <zenwhen> If you need the latest version of verything dished up to you on a silver platter five seconds after release, gentoo might be a good idea.
[06:04] <pdaoust> hey, has anybody had experience with Firefox segfaulting when you go to a page with an exotic language, like Japanese?
[06:04] <zenwhen> I speak for myself though.
[06:04] <flodin> zenwhen: i've tried various distributions including gentoo, and i like that a lot. Its package system has some design flaws though that haven't been fixed yet
[06:04] <pdaoust> flodin: what sort of design flaws does Portage have? I loved it when I used Gentoo
[06:05] <ogra> flodin: just for the record, ubuntu is totally tied to the gnome release schedule.... all the bellding edge stuff is always in the unstable branch....so you could always easily backport anything by recompiling it
[06:05] <flodin> ogra: then why am i running 2.7 and not 2.8? :)
[06:05] <ogra> flodin: dunno, what have you done to your system ? on the relaes cd is 2.8
[06:06] <flodin> pdaoust: use flags are not inherited by dependencies. Let's say you set +real for mplayer to get realplayer support. It's not going to compile, because it depends on win32codecs which must also be compiled with +real for things to work
[06:06] <flodin> pdaoust: so you have to manually set +real on both packages. Doing that all manually is not a solution that works in the long run
[06:07] <flodin> ogra: i just inserted the which i downloaded today
[06:07] <flodin> *inserted the CD
[06:07] <pdaoust> flodin: ah, I getcha... but, if I'm not mistaken, dependency checking for USE flags is on the slate for one of the next versions of Portage, if it hasn't already arrived...
[06:07] <ogra> flodin: gmm, where did you get it ?
[06:07] <flodin> ogra: well build then. It downloads the dll and unpacks it. If you don't have +real it doesn't put the real player codec on your system
[06:07] <pdaoust> so nobody's had Firefox crash on a Japanese page, eh?
[06:08] <ogra> flodin: ah, ok...i was just courios....but then its only packaging...ok
[06:08] <flodin> ogra: ubuntu site
[06:08] <flodin> bbl, phone
[06:09] <pdaoust> I hate all these niggling bugs that seem to have no cause... not that I hate the bugs, because I know that as a programmer, my software has tons of bugs that need to be eradicated one-by-one... I just hate not knowing why these programs do these things... "Firefox segfaulted" isn't a very helpful error message ^_^
[06:09] <Ribs> pdaoust, I doubt many people here visit japanese pages...
[06:09] <ogra> Ribs: except the japanese ppl :)
[06:09] <pdaoust> Ribs: even Megatokyo, which doesn't actually have Japanese characters, crashes, because its encoding is ShiftJIS
[06:09] <ogra> pdaoust: give us an url to check it
[06:09] <Ribs>  User Match Matching<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:09] <Ribs>  |   - No matches. -
[06:09] <Ribs> so I guess that's nobody...
[06:10] <ogra> Ribs: what about .net .com .org ?
[06:10] <pdaoust> http://megatokyo.com/
[06:10] <Ribs> pass, pass and pass
[06:10] <ogra> Ribs: i.e. try a whois on me ;)
[06:10] <pdaoust> worked fine until (?)
[06:10] <pdaoust> (i.e., I don't remember -- maybe I upgraded Firefox to 1.0... but downgrading it to 0.99 doesn't solve the problem)
[06:11] <Ribs> pdaoust, Works fine here
[06:11] <ogra> pdaoust: funny drawings :)
[06:11] <Ribs> also, it appears to be in English
[06:11] <pdaoust> Ribs: yeah, the whole site's in English; I don't know why he bothered setting the encoding to ShiftJIS
[06:11] <pdaoust> good comic
[06:12] <pdaoust> but it is a serial, so you kinda have to start at the beginning...
[06:13] <florian> another pb with the install : during the second step of the installation i've this error : "unable to look up public/pickup : no such file or directory"
[06:14] <ogra> florian: did you reburn it at slower speed ?
[06:14] <pdaoust> florian: does this bring the installation to a halt, or can you continue?
[06:14] <pdaoust> hm, Firefox doesn't seem to have a debugging flag that you can pass to it at the command-line.
[06:14] <ogra> looks like the postfix pkg is broken
[06:16] <florian> pdaoust : ... to a halt and i can do a "ctrl-c" and retry with aptitude but i've the same error
[06:16] <pdaoust> florian: weird
[06:16] <pdaoust> happens every time?
[06:16] <pdaoust> because, inexplicably, sometimes the install CD worked great for me when I simply rebooted
[06:17] <ogra_dogwalk> florian: the postfix package seems broken this can be caused by a broken media, did you reburn at a slower speed, as i suggested....there were many ppl having similar probs caused by to fas burning speed
[06:19] <pdaoust> Does anyone know how to turn on the bug-reporting tool for Firefox (TalkBack or whatever it's called)?
[06:21] <florian> ogra_dogwalk: ok i will try to test the media at boot time and reburn another one ! thx
[06:23] <drspin> could someone tell me about the NTFS driver that ubuntu ships with?
[06:24] <dseomn> drspin: what about it?
[06:25] <drspin> dseomn: can it be trusted for read and write; the Read portion of it works well
[06:25] <dseomn> drspin: don't use it to write, you'll break stuff
[06:25] <dseomn> drspin: reading if fine though
[06:26] <drspin> is there a way for me to write to my NTFS partition?
[06:26] <spikeb> yes
[06:26] <spikeb> use windows
[06:27] <drspin> spikeB - no way
[06:27] <jaye> hi
[06:28] <dseomn> drspin: there's a way to use the windows ntfs driver with wine and a modified kernel
[06:28] <drspin> dseomn: kind of defeats the idea of not using windows huh?
[06:28] <dseomn> drspin: it only works on x86_32 though (I think there are plans for _64)
[06:28] <jaye> I can't get this to work with my radeon 7500.  I got a flgrx driver but it doesn't work with 7x
[06:29] <dseomn> drspin: it's a windows driver in GNU/Linux
[06:29] <drspin> ... sounds unstable and shady...
[06:29] <drspin> but it's OK -
[06:29] <dseomn> drspin: you're right
[06:29] <drspin> as soon as I get a big enough USB drive this partition is gone
[06:30] <drspin> Reiser4!!
[06:30] <drspin> I just have 50Gb of data that I need to move :/
[06:31] <jaye> does anyone know what I can do? Or am I just screwed?
[06:32] <florian> ogra_dogwalk: the cd seems to be valid -> i do an integrity check with the installer :(
[06:34] <biezt> what's the live cd version ?
[06:35] <theNeonGod> hal won't mount my external usb hd... no problem, i can do it manually, but even though i have the hd plugged in its not showing up in /dev/. there's a lengthy /var/log/messages entry when i plug the thing in, if that has anything to do with it... any ideas?
[06:37] <vegai> *fear*
[06:37] <vegai> just installed Ubuntu to a windows-prevalent place
[06:38] <punkrockguy318> *fear*
[06:38] <punkrockguy318> upgrading from warty to hoary.. hope nothing breaks
[06:38] <ogra_dogwalk> punkrockguy318: heh
[06:38] <ogra_dogwalk> lol
[06:38] <ogra_dogwalk> hahaha
[06:38] <punkrockguy318> i'll be suprised if nothing breaks
[06:39] <ogra> punkrockguy318: yep.... you should open a bottle of champaign if you dont need to touch anything.....
[06:39] <punkrockguy318> ogra, lol
[06:39] <punkrockguy318> i'm not too concerned, i don't need to do anything important on this PC
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> how far is it from the hoary freeze?
[06:40] <ogra> punkrockguy318: but most stuff geos smooth... xorg and the new gnome can be a (solvable) prob
[06:40] <spikeb> quite far
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> ogra, oh well
[06:40] <ogra> punkrockguy318: i think there is a schedule on the wiki
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> oh okay
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> 99%...
[06:41] <punkrockguy318> i'm used to stuff breaking
[06:41] <punkrockguy318> arch broke quite often
[06:41] <gir_> i got the ide cables in my box backwards and now the harddrive is hdc and the cd is hda. I'd like to switch them, anything i'd need to do first?
[06:42] <theNeonGod> can anyone tell me why this is happening after i plug in my usb external hd?:
[06:42] <theNeonGod> Dec 27 12:40:22 localhost hal.hotplug[6331] : timout(10000 ms) waiting for /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:01:09.3/usb5/5-6/5-6:1.0
[06:42] <theNeonGod> Dec 27 12:40:22 localhost usb.agent[6352] :      usb-storage: already loaded
[06:42] <theNeonGod> there's no /dev identity for it when it gets to this point
[06:42] <punkrockguy318> is linux 2.6.10 in hoary yet?
[06:43] <mkrubel> evolution 2.0.2 isn't rendering some html email for me.  has anyone else noticed this?
[06:44] <gir_> mkrubel: mozilla thunderbird / lightning is very good if you want to try that
[06:45] <mkrubel> gir_, I've just set up evolution with all the folders and spent a day teaching someone how to use it
[06:45] <punkrockguy318> gir_, is lightning released yet?
[06:45] <flodin> it takes one minute and 30 secons before nautilus displays a window on my freshly installed warty system. Any ideas why?
[06:45] <flodin> *seconds
[06:45] <mkrubel> I don't have time to repeat the process with thunderbird, though I agree it's a good client
[06:45] <ogra> flodin: dma prob ?
[06:46] <gir_> punkrockguy318: i'm not using it, thought so.
[06:46] <flodin> ogra: i's not accessing the disk. time says: real 1m36.633s user 0m0.258s sys 0m0.44s
[06:46] <gir_> mkrubel: fair enough
[06:47] <flodin> and everything else starts just fine
[06:48] <biezt> what is the minimum spec for ubuntu ?
[06:49] <mkrubel> I have the exact same version of evolution on my laptop and it works fine.  Maybe if I delete the evolution folder?
[06:49] <ogra> flodin: migrated your home from a former install ?
[06:49] <flodin> ogra: no i wiped all the partitions before installing
[06:49] <ogra> hmm, no ides then
[06:49] <ogra> idea
[06:50] <ogra> flodin: didnt you say you got 2.7 ?
[06:50] <flodin> yeah i was wrong. That's why i started nautilus to double check. Some other gnome app said its version was 2.7.something, i assumed they all changed to 2.8 with the new gnome release
[06:50] <ogra>  Keyb: hehe incognito .....
[06:51] <jats-> hmhm
[06:51] <Keyb> ogra: nah, just not killed the screen yet
[06:51] <jats-> here again :>
[06:51] <Synek> hi
[06:51] <ogra> ahh
[06:52] <jats-> anyone got any idea why my installer says that some kernel modules (ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy) are missing, and won't start the partitioner?
[06:52] <jats-> i can enable swap and access the cdrom though
[06:52] <jats-> it's the old ibm thinkpad i was talking about yesterday :P
[06:52] <ogra> jats-: ugh... still the same prob?
[06:53] <jats-> yep
[06:53] <flodin> heh this time it took 4m42s
[06:53] <ACIDnet> thats a point - why doesnt ubuntu make a SWAP partition??
[06:53] <flodin> oh yeah, gnome-terminal says 2.7.3
[06:53] <jats-> i thought it might have been a cd-rom problem, not reading the whole cd-rom
[06:53] <gir_> mkrubel: fair enough
[06:53] <gir_> i got the ide cables in my box backwards and now the harddrive is hdc and the cd is hda. I'd like to switch them, anything i'd need to do first?
[06:53] <jats-> but this time i'm installing with a new plextor usb cd-rw/dvd-rw drive i got from work
[06:54] <jats-> so it's not a cd-rom read problem :P
[06:54] <mkrubel> removing and reinstalling evolution feels like voodoo, but I guess I'll try that
[06:54] <jats-> The "detect hardware" step of the custom-expert install fails
[06:55] <ogra> ACIDnet: it didnt ? mine all did....
[06:55] <punkrockguy318> uh oh... lots of conflicts on this upgrade... how they resolve
[06:56] <steve_noob> Hello World!
[06:56] <steve_noob> I am writing this from the Live CD
[06:57] <matthieu> cool
[06:57] <steve_noob> Just one question though?  Is there anyway to install Ubuntu from the Live CD?
[06:57] <jats-> hmhm
[06:57] <jats-> "find / | grep ide-mod" returns nothing :P
[06:58] <ogra> steve_noob: nope, not on this version :(
[06:58] <jats-> anybody wanna check their warty install cd?
[06:58] <jats-> run a find | grep ide-mod and tell me if it's there :P
[06:58] <jats-> do i have a bad cd or something
[06:59] <ogra> jats-: i guess that is stored in a udeb and only unpacked during the install process
[07:00] <jats-> ah
[07:00] <jats-> well, wtf can i do about this :P
[07:01] <ogra> sorry, no idea this is a very weird setup you got there....
[07:01] <jats-> in /var/log/syslog it reads "user.notice hw-detect: Detecting hardware..." and then "user.notice hw-detect: Missing module 'ide-mod'" and so on
[07:02] <ogra> jats-: as said yesterday , 32MB has never been tested....even if it _could_ work
[07:02] <ogra> jats-: if its in an udeb , there is probably not enough space to unpack......
[07:02] <jats-> hmm
[07:02] <jats-> that could be the case.
[07:03] <steve_noob> You know what would be an excellent idea for the next release?
[07:03] <punkrockguy318> steve_noob, what?
[07:03] <ogra> steve_noob: yep, we have a list
[07:03] <ogra> :)
[07:03] <steve_noob> A live CD that actually includes the option to install :)
[07:03] <jats-> i really don't want to do debian on this :P
[07:03] <ogra> steve_noob: as i said .... its planned
[07:03] <steve_noob> Kewl
[07:04] <ogra> steve_noob: but first a ppc livecd is the goal....
[07:04] <steve_noob> So then I downloaded the live CD anyone know how I can get the installable version?
[07:05] <steve_noob> FYI the live CD is working excellent on my Sony Vaio PCG-FXA53 Laptop :)
[07:05] <ogra> steve_noob: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:05] <steve_noob> Thanks
[07:06] <ogra> steve_noob: also on an ancient vaio pcg f707 here ;)
[07:06] <jats-> nothing newer than my ibm thinkpad 380xd p233mmx is ancient! ;>
[07:06] <steve_noob> Neat, BTW my computer has a bugged BIOSof some kind that has caused every distro I've tried thus far to panic, crap itself and die
[07:07] <ogra> jats-: ok, i already got 600Mhz here
[07:07] <jats-> though i doubt the livecd would run on my thinkpad ;>
[07:07] <ogra> jats-: hehe, did you try it ?
[07:07] <jats-> no :)
[07:08] <steve_noob> This one just said something like "Hey there might be something wierd with your BIOS,you might want to try using nopnpbios at the boot loader
[07:08] <steve_noob> Very cool
[07:09] <flodin> ogra: a reboot seems to have fixed the problem
[07:09] <ogra> flodin: good :)
[07:14] <twogood> hi! are there any pre-packaged 2.6.10 kernels available for ubuntu? or for debian that works on ubuntu...
[07:15] <spikeb> no
[07:15] <martin_> how do i find out what hardware i have in my computer?
[07:16] <martin_> (through linux)
[07:16] <ogra> martin_: device manager
[07:16] <martin_> ogra, it doesnt say much..
[07:16] <ogra> martin_: on the commadline: lsusb, lspci, free, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:18] <rapha> Hi all
[07:18] <ogra> hi rapha
[07:18] <rapha> Is there still no audio cd burning application for Ubuntu/GNOME?
[07:18] <martin_> ogra, it seems that almost everything i have is nforce2 something
[07:18] <martin_> most stuff is unkown
[07:22] <spikeb> rapha, yup
[07:22] <rapha> spikeb: How is it called?
[07:22] <ogra> rapha: rhythmbox will have it eventually
[07:23] <spikeb> rhythmbox's next release will have it, apparently the cvs version already does
[07:23] <ogra> the question is, will it be in time for hoary.....
[07:24] <spikeb> they dont seem to have a developmental release out for gnome 2.9.x so i am doubting so
[07:24] <ogra> martin_: what aer you looking for  ?
[07:24] <rapha> Oh
[07:24] <rapha> CVS does?
[07:25] <ogra> rapha: have fun compiling ;)
[07:25] <spikeb> rapha, also, a program named coaster can do it
[07:25] <ogra> no audio in coaster yet
[07:25] <rapha> ogra: Shoudln't be too hard, should it?
[07:25] <ogra> dunno, didnt try
[07:25] <rapha> spikeb: I got that installed. It doesn't do Audio CDs.
[07:26] <ogra> rapha: did you build debs from coaster ?
[07:26] <spikeb> says it does here
[07:26] <spikeb> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=287
[07:26] <ogra> spikeb: thats PR ;)
[07:28] <rapha> spikeb: It _will_.
[07:33] <ZzeCoOl> is there any way to execute some commands every time Gnome starts?
[07:33] <ZzeCoOl> where i must put them
[07:33] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[07:33] <Gwildor|Work> start them....exit gnome, and save your session on exit
[07:33] <Gwildor|Work> oh...sorry....commands
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[07:34] <Gwildor|Work> sorry
[07:34] <Gwildor|Work> NVM
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> no problem
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> i want to execute smbmount every time i login in gnome
[07:34] <twogood> is there anything with http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html that differs between ubuntu and debian?
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> i dont want to do this at boot time cause i dont have access then to write
[07:35] <ZzeCoOl> nevermind
[07:35] <Gwildor|Work> ok :)
[07:35] <ZzeCoOl> is there something like bat file in linux
[07:35] <Gwildor|Work> idk......
[07:36] <ZzeCoOl> i want to write a script that run some commands and then i know how to start it
[07:36] <dkg> hi
[07:36] <dkg> how to install mplayer?
[07:36] <twogood> ZzeCoOl: a shell script
[07:36] <dkg> I lost the URL you told me :(
[07:36] <ZzeCoOl> twogood: synttax plz?
[07:36] <Gwildor|Work> dkg........check restrictedformats on the wiki
[07:36] <Gwildor|Work> dkg,
[07:36] <ZzeCoOl> plain text with what extention?
[07:37] <twogood> ZzeCoOl: http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
[07:37] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[07:37] <ZzeCoOl> thanx
[07:38] <spikeb> be nice if muine would get burning as well already
[07:39] <mcthorogood> hi all, anyone able to print to a Windoze printer from Firefox?
[07:40] <abelli> mcthorogood: may be you need samba?
[07:40] <mcthorogood> cabbie: I installed samba, and set up printer via Computer|System Configuration|Printing
[07:41] <mcthorogood> and I was able to print a test page
[07:41] <drspin> spike: I think I like Muine -- if only it would handle the file management as wekk
[07:41] <drspin> *well
[07:44] <cabbie> mcthorogood: how is samba? allows you to print on lan with windows boxes?
[07:46] <drspin> where are the backgrounds stored in ubuntu?
[07:46] <mcthorogood> cabbie: printing works okay in Debian, but not in Ubuntu
[07:46] <pmfp> ogra: more powerful ( ;) )
[07:47] <dseomn> drspin: /usr/share/backgrounds
[07:47] <drspin> ty :)
[07:47] <cabbie> mc*good: you mean printer isn't working at all?
[07:47] <ogra> pmfp: hmm, i doubt using a server for client things is _any_ useful
[07:48] <mcthorogood> cabbie: test page prints okay, but not from a browser
[07:48] <pmfp> ogra: note the smiley
[07:48] <ogra> yep i saw it....
[07:48] <ogra> ;)
[07:48] <cabbie> mc*good: even the postscript testpage prints ok?
[07:49] <ogra> pmfp: just wanted to point out very clear that its absoultely nonsense to install samba for accessing a windows share or printer
[07:49] <rapha> Okay, the standard Rhythmbox CVS of today doesn't have CD burning, for everybody interested.
[07:49] <pmfp> ogra: roge'a
[07:49] <mcthorogood> yep, PS is okay, but when I try to print PS default from Firefox, no luck
[07:50] <mcthorogood> ogra: I just install Ubuntu the other day, I see that CUPSYS, SWAT, etc have been disabled
[07:51] <ogra> mcthorogood: cupsys isnt disabled
[07:51] <mcthorogood> sorry, the admin task has been disabled
[07:51] <cabbie> mc*good: I use mozilla; does firefox allow you to set "Print Command"?
[07:52] <ogra> mcthorogood: isnt the gnome admin tool enough ? works with all printers i tested like a charm
[07:52] <steve_noob> How does one go about changing themes in Ubuntu?  Most specifically I would like to change the window decorations color scheme
[07:52] <mcthorogood> ogra/cabbie: thanks
[07:52] <ogra> steve_noob: use the theme manager
[07:53] <steve_noob> Which is located where?
[07:53] <ogra> steve_noob: Computer->Desktop Settings->Theme ?
[07:53] <steve_noob> TYVM
[07:54] <drspin> is there  a way to graphically set the permissions of a folder recursively?
[07:55] <cabbie> has debian completely deprecated lpr for printing?
[07:56] <ogra> cups it the way to go, but lpd is still in the archives....
[07:56] <cabbie> my problem has been trying to get rhsprintfilters for the old lpr system
[07:57] <ogra> cabbie: why do you use redhat stuff in ubuntu ?
[07:57] <rapha> Everybody look-y at this for audio CD burning: http://www.dropline.net/optimystic/
[07:58] <cabbie> am running debian 3.0, but migrated from mandrake -- old habit
[07:58] <ogra> rapha: ive seen it .... i think coaster is further....
[07:58] <drspin> do directories require an execute permission?
[07:58] <rapha> ogra: Well, Coaster doesn't do audio cd's yet.
[07:59] <ogra> drspin: for dirs: x = axess... so if you want to access them, yes
[07:59] <drspin> ogra: thanks
[07:59] <ogra> rapha: optymistic neither
[07:59] <SeFoKumA> re
[07:59] <rapha> ogra: Have you tried it?
[08:00] <ogra> rapha: i read a mailconversation with one of the authors... and a guy from the -devel ML has contacted them iirc
[08:00] <rapha> Oh okay
[08:01] <ogra> rapha: i think coaster will be the best option, especially because we can get rid of cdrecord then
[08:01] <rapha> Yeah
[08:01] <rapha> Just that it doesn't do Audio CDs yet.
[08:01] <rapha> And telling my girlfriend the syntax of cdrecord isn't a viable option.
[08:02] <ogra> rapha: i think it is lacking a bit of manpower
[08:02] <ogra> rapha: k3b would be an workaround/option
[08:02] <rapha> Urgh.
[08:02] <rapha> Even I don't understand half of its "UI".
[08:02] <ogra> rapha: i know :(
[08:03] <rapha> I think I'll keep looking for that Rhythmbox patch.
[08:03] <jaye> When I boot ubuntu I have a mouse, black screen, and a few lines of color at the top.
[08:03] <jaye> Any ideas?
[08:03] <rapha> What color jaye?
[08:03] <rapha> Grey?
[08:03] <ogra> rapha: i wrote a little mp3 burning app myself, but its not ready for wide spreading yet (rather alpha)
[08:03] <jaye> some red lines, purple lines, etc
[08:04] <rapha> ogra: Wanna let me try it out? :)
[08:04] <ogra> rapha: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[08:04] <rapha> jaye: Sounds ungood. Sounds like your graphics card had a problem. Does it happen every time you boot?
[08:04] <jaye> yes
[08:04] <jaye> It happend last time and I followed the instructions on support and it made it worse
[08:04] <jaye> I have an ATI Radeon 7500.
[08:04] <rapha> Hmm
[08:05] <jaye> Site told me to use fglrx but that's not compatable with this card.
[08:05] <ogra> jaye: and I followed the instructions on support ???
[08:06] <jaye> Yeah, I searched for driver info.  Found a page in the faq for ati cards but it's not for my card.
[08:06] <ogra> jaye: which kind of support ? where ?
[08:06] <jaye> ubuntulinux.com
[08:06] <ogra> jaye: this one ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:07] <jaye> yes
[08:07] <rapha> ogra: Lol, in 1982 I was just born :)
[08:07] <ogra> rapha:  :) hehe
[08:07] <jaye> fglrx isn't for 7500
[08:07] <jaye> So that page is wrong where it says "you know your card model begins with "7" etc
[08:07] <ogra> jaye: i saw ppl with fglrx and 7500
[08:08] <ogra> jaye: but i think it doesnt apply to all of them
[08:08] <jaye> I followed those instructions and it wouldn't get out of the command prompt.
[08:08] <jaye> came up saying error and gave me an error report about display
[08:08] <ogra> jaye: is the fglrx module loaded ?
[08:08] <rapha> ogra: Is Pimp written by you?
[08:09] <ogra> rapha: yep
[08:09] <rapha> Looks cool.
[08:09] <jaye> not anymore, I reinstalled
[08:09] <rwabel_> has anyone an idea how I can tell firefox to use an external videoplayer instead of internal?
[08:09] <rapha> Just the cursive font... but that might be a personal dislike.,
[08:09] <ogra> jaye: and after reinstall you got this probs ? in a defualt install ?
[08:09] <jaye> yes
[08:09] <jaye> both installs were default.
[08:09] <ogra> rapha: thanks
[08:09] <jaye> and both have the same problem.
[08:10] <ogra> jaye: what did you reinstall, i seem not to undersatnd you....
[08:10] <jaye> ubuntu
[08:10] <jaye> I wiped the drive and reinstalled the os.
[08:11] <ogra> jaye: and it doesnt come up with a corrct X configuration driectly after install ?
[08:11] <jaye> no
[08:11] <jaye> black screen with some colorful lines at the top
[08:11] <jaye> and a mouse
[08:12] <jaye> I know when I boot knoppix from a live cd (what I'm on now because ubuntu won't boot) I have to type fb1024x768 or I won't see anything.
[08:12] <ogra> jaye: try ctrl-alt-(numpad +/-) if it changes smth
[08:12] <jaye> ok
[08:12] <jaye> Is there a way to shutdown safely when I can't see anything?
[08:13] <ogra> jaye: (switches the resolution)
[08:13] <jaye> I tried all the function keys to get back to the command line and various combinations.
[08:13] <jaye> Well, I'm just asking so that if it doesn't work I can shutdown safely.
[08:13] <ogra> jaye: ctrl-alt-f1 gets you to a console, log in there and you can do: suso reboot
[08:13] <jaye> ok
[08:14] <jaye> thx I'll be back and tell you how it goes.  I really appreciate the help.
[08:14] <ogra> jaye: if you want back to X ...
[08:14] <jaye> k
[08:14] <ogra> jaye: you use ctrl-alt-f7
[08:14] <jaye> ok
[08:14] <jaye> ty
[08:14] <twogood> where can I find the .config file  used to build the ubuntu kernel packages?
[08:14] <jaye> I'll be back in a bit and see if I can change the res.
[08:15] <chitiri> how can i get a login for launchpad ?
[08:15] <budgester> hi, anyone had any luck getting the atmelwlan driver working ?
[08:15] <ogra> twogood: in /boot (or in the source/headers packages, they are preconfigured)
[08:15] <ogra> chitiri: create a login on the wiki
[08:15] <rapha> ogra: All your packages show up as "NOT AUTHENTICATED" in Synaptic.
[08:16] <ogra> rapha: hehe, because they are warty packages ;)
[08:16] <twogood> ogra: thanks!
[08:16] <rapha> Oh
[08:16] <rapha> Okay
[08:16] <ogra> budgester: just loading the atmel module from the ubuntu kernel isnt enough ?
[08:18] <budgester> trying to set up a Belkin F5D6020 PCMCIA Nic, and the wiki points to the sourceforge project page
[08:18] <ogra> budgester: whick wiki page ?
[08:18] <ogra> which
[08:19] <Frafraxy> hi all
[08:20] <ogra> budgester: i think atmel_cs should work for you
[08:20] <budgester> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[08:20] <Frafraxy> i haven't version.h
[08:20] <budgester> so just 'sudo modprobe atmel_cs'
[08:21] <Frafraxy> in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/
[08:21] <ogra> budgester: yep, it will complain if it doesnt work
[08:21] <Frafraxy> why?
[08:21] <ogra> Frafraxy: which source package did you install ?=
[08:22] <rapha> Hmm
[08:22] <rapha> MrBurns looks cool. But cdrecord won't do what MrBurns tells it to do.
[08:22] <Frafraxy> i'm trying to install ati drivers
[08:22] <Frafraxy> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[08:22] <Frafraxy> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[08:22] <budgester> ok, got the module loaded, now how to set up a connection with it ?
[08:22] <ogra> Frafraxy: so why dont you just use the package ?
[08:23] <budgester> i'll try the howto directions
[08:23] <jaye> there is absolutely no response from the keyboard.
[08:23] <ogra> budgester: no errors ?
[08:23] <budgester> nope
[08:23] <jaye> can't even turn on num or caps lock
[08:23] <ogra> great :)
[08:23] <Frafraxy> i've download the .rpm, converted in .deb, installed with dpkg but i can't make
[08:23] <ogra> Frafraxy: aaargh
[08:23] <budgester> nope, no errors and it shows in lsmod
[08:24] <ogra> Frafraxy: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:24] <Frafraxy> k
[08:24] <jaye> I've got 2 errors something about modprobe looking for some pci thing and no permissions.  hotshot or hotspot
[08:24] <ogra> budgester: ggod, then try the network tool from the Computer menu or edit /etc/network/interfaces to your needs
[08:24] <Frafraxy> it doesn't funct
[08:25] <ogra> jaye: pciehp ?
[08:25] <ogra> Frafraxy: ???
[08:25] <jaye> ogra, that sounds about right I suppose.
[08:26] <jaye> ogra, I should've written it down I figured I could remember the name.
[08:26] <ogra> jaye: you can safely ignore them
[08:26] <budgester> Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[08:26] <jaye> I figured.
[08:26] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
[08:26] <budgester> is the error i get when i sudo'ifup wlan0
[08:26] <jaye> I tried ctrl alt num + or -
[08:26] <ogra> jaye: its a weird way of saying: there is no such hardware
[08:26] <jaye> but there's absolutely no response from the keyboard
[08:26] <ogra> Frafraxy: it works for hundrets of ati users...why not for you ?
[08:26] <jaye> couldn't get back to the commandprompt, couldnt' toggle caps or num lock, anything
[08:27] <Frafraxy> boh
[08:27] <ogra> jaye: strange
[08:27] <Frafraxy> i will retry
[08:28] <jaye> however, I could move the mouse.
[08:28] <jaye> but clicks didn't do anythin
[08:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: you need four commands: 1) sudo apt-get install linux-686 (or whatever your cpu is)
[08:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: 2) sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[08:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: 3) echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[08:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: 4) sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (assuming you didnt already touch the config)
[08:29] <jaye> I did that with my card and hten after that it wouldn't even go into x
[08:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: 5) reboot
[08:29] <ogra> jaye: your card is somewhat different
[08:30] <jaye> my card doesn't work with anythin
[08:30] <ogra> jaye: to get a working X you could use the vesa driver
[08:30] <jaye> this is day 3 of linux installing
[08:30] <jaye> most of day 1 and 2 was downloading and burning iso images.
[08:30] <ogra> jaye: it is not fast, but at least you get X
[08:30] <rwabel_> why does firefox always want to open a video either with a plugin? I woul
[08:30] <jaye> I want something comparable to windows.
[08:30] <rwabel_> would like to open it with an external program
[08:31] <jaye> I was told my numerous people linux is better all round.
[08:31] <ogra> jaye: blame ati.....they dont release the specs for their hw... so nobody can write drivers
[08:31] <jaye> I've got fedora discs, but I read that fedora is unstable.
[08:31] <rattboi> jaye, better is relative
[08:32] <rattboi> sometimes it depends on how much time you want to spend on it
[08:32] <rattboi> for ease-of-use, linux is not better than windows
[08:32] <rattboi> I mean, at least initially
[08:32] <crimsun> that depends.
[08:32] <ogra> jaye: and the shipped ones by ati may or may not work with your 7500
[08:32] <crimsun> I find X Windows generally more intuitive than Windows
[08:32] <jaye> The driver disc for my ati card doesn't even work on windows.
[08:32] <jaye> had to download them
[08:33] <ogra> lol...ati
[08:33] <ogra> what a silly company
[08:33] <jaye> I hate this card... but it is 64mb and my only other option is 16mb
[08:33] <crimsun> what is your 16 MB card?
[08:34] <jaye> Diamond fusion
[08:34] <crimsun> what chipset is that?
[08:34] <jaye> or something like that.
[08:34] <jaye> let me go look
[08:34] <crimsun> I've owned many Diamond-branded cards in the past
[08:34] <ogra> crimsun: hey my evo just recieved you gpg key.....(you are not trusted ???)
[08:34] <crimsun> Monster/Viper[II]
[08:34] <jaye> crap it's in another computer
[08:35] <crimsun> ogra: it should be signed by at least 2 people
[08:35] <jaye> monster fusion
[08:35] <jaye> That's what it was called
[08:35] <ogra> crimsun: but it seems not enough for my trustbd....
[08:35] <ogra> :(
[08:35] <Frafraxy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:35] <crimsun> ogra: hmm.
[08:35] <ogra> crimsun: its yellow...
[08:36] <jaye> The live cd's I used were so awesome.
[08:36] <crimsun> ogra: sorry, I'm not familiar with the colour terminology
[08:36] <jaye> but getting the real deal is a bitch.
[08:36] <ogra> crimsun: in evo green is any level of trust...yellow means i just can get the key from the server....
[08:36] <rattboi> well, I guess I'm gonna sleep now
[08:37] <jaye> ogra, can you think of anything else I can try?
[08:37] <crimsun> jaye: ah, the Banshee? That's not too much better. :/
[08:37] <jaye> crimsun, I don't think it was called banshee.  All I really know is it's old as dirt.
[08:37] <ogra> jaye: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .... and switch to vesa
[08:38] <crimsun> jaye: the Fusion uses the 3Dfx Banshee chipset
[08:38] <ogra> jaye: you could also try svga
[08:38] <jaye> but it'll be slow right?
[08:38] <IRCMonkeykjl> I neeed help with serial mouse... can anyone?????
[08:39] <jaye> wtf does this knoppix livecd use because it works perfect
[08:39] <IRCMonkeykjl> pleazse anyone... I neeed help with serial mouse...
[08:39] <ogra> jaye: vesa
[08:39] <IRCMonkeykjl> ???
[08:40] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: install gpm, configure it and the do a sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... to make X use the gpm emulated device
[08:41] <budgester> hi, nope still no joy.
[08:41] <budgester> with the wireless nic
[08:41] <IRCMonkeykjl> what is gpm please...
[08:42] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: a mouse driver for serial mice at the console....
[08:42] <jaye> here goes nothin
[08:42] <budgester> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device, when i try ifup wlan0
[08:42] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: it has a very good detection tool (better then X for serial mice)
[08:43] <ogra> budgester: how did it work with the network tool, did you try that first ?
[08:43] <IRCMonkeykjl> ok but how to instaall  gpm??? from shell or use the X graphic  tool???
[08:44] <budgester> yer, didn't find the hardware, it find it in devices but doesn't seems to have any network info
[08:45] <budgester> IRCMonkeyjl: you tried sudo apt-get install gpm ?
[08:46] <budgester> ogra: so the question really is how to make sure the system knows it is a network card
[08:46] <IRCMonkeykjl> no! I didn't know about gpm.. actually it is displeasing that ubuntu starts graphically and can't support a serial mouse!!
[08:46] <budgester> cos the onboard lan card in this lappy works fine
[08:46] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[08:47] <Frafraxy> apt-get is destroyed!
[08:47] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: thats unfotrunately the nature of serial mice....the autoprobing is very critical on serial ports
[08:47] <IRCMonkeykjl> Thanks ogra and budgester.....
[08:47] <ogra> budgester: the atmel should too....
[08:47] <IRCMonkeykjl> Your help was precious....
[08:47] <ogra> budgester: do you use WEP ?
[08:48] <budgester> ogra: no the access point is set as open on channel 11
[08:48] <ogra> hmm...
[08:48] <pmfp> Okay, I can accept that Ubuntu wouldn
[08:48] <Frafraxy> do you know if exist a script to do this?
[08:48] <budgester> ogra: and i would expect to see the card registered in network without even getting a connection
[08:49] <pmfp> wouldn't install root and /boot to a RAID partition yet, but why the h*ll didn't I get to enter root pw?!
[08:49] <ogra> Frafraxy: try sudo apt-get -f install
[08:49] <cpark> Hey all, I have a question from my father-in-law (gave him Ubuntu for Xmas) this is regarding a NIC.
[08:49] <budgester> something odd going on me thinks
[08:49] <pmfp> feels great with one console and no root to solve it with
[08:49] <ogra> budgester: yep
[08:49] <pmfp> (note: console, not x)
[08:49] <Frafraxy> orga: it always comes back at the same point
[08:50] <ogra> pmfp: sudo works on the console too
[08:50] <okti> where is cd player device file?
[08:50] <pmfp> ogra: I have not entered any password for root and I want su
[08:50] <okti> in /dev/cdrom
[08:50] <okti> ?
[08:50] <Frafraxy> it has a problem with the driver
[08:50] <flodin> pmfp: use sudo
[08:50] <cpark> Anyway...he installed ubuntu on a spare machine this morning. The machine has an onboard Gigabit NIC (yeah, spare...ick, anyway)...he skipped setting it up on install for whatever reason and now when he goes into the network section it won't detect his nic...any ideas?
[08:50] <ogra> pmfp: use sudo with your pw...thats the policy
[08:51] <ogra> pmfp: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:51] <Jaxalot> Hmm, my Ubuntu setup is locking up on a laptop.
[08:51] <Frafraxy> orga: do you know how I can resolve it?
[08:51] <Jaxalot> Warty, 4.10
[08:51] <pmfp> ogra: I will later locally change that policy. However, like I said, I have NOT entered a password at all
[08:51] <ogra> Frafraxy: with: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:52] <Frafraxy> orga: it always comes back at the same point
[08:52] <ogra> pmfp: root is disabled
[08:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: you call that with no other options, just  sudo apt-get -f install
[08:52] <Frafraxy> orga: it doesn't resolve anything.
[08:53] <ogra> Frafraxy: thats the repair yourself command
[08:53] <pmfp> now ain't this grand...  The possibility for doing things as root isn't. Like we said, use sudo.
[08:54] <jaye> YOU PEOPLE RULE
[08:54] <rapha> Gives you 3 new enemies for every one you kill or something..
[08:54] <flodin> pmfp: no need to "hack your box"
[08:54] <ogra> Frafraxy: yust run this command and let apt remove the broken packages....
[08:54] <jaye> it works it works it works
[08:54] <rapha> pmfp: Or just open Applications > System Tools > Root Terminal
[08:54] <jaye> and it only took two or three days.
[08:54] <ogra> jaye: :)
[08:55] <ogra> rapha: console
[08:55] <rapha> oh
[08:55] <rapha> okay
[08:55] <dcarro> cpark: shell out the $7 for a new nic?
[08:55] <rapha> pmfp: I've added myself to /etc/sudoers as being allowed to use sudo without a password
[08:55] <jaye> What kind of video card do you recommend I get for optimum performance?
[08:55] <ogra> rapha: i hope you used visudo
[08:55] <rapha> jaye: Some NVidia
[08:55] <pmfp> flodin: since I didn't get a password for root, yes I do
[08:55] <rapha> ogra: Sure :)
[08:55] <flodin> pmfp: USE SUDO
[08:56] <cpark> Haha...I certainly wouldn't mind that...but convincing my father-in-law (who I've just convinced to try Linux) to buy a new NIC...well...I doubt he'd be impressed with Linux...and a new gigabit NIC would hardly be $7.
[08:56] <Frafraxy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-driver_<IP_ADDRESS>.3-4_i386.deb
[08:56] <Frafraxy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:56] <pmfp> flodin: IT ASKS FOR A PASSWORD AND I DON'T HAVE ANY. CAN'T YOU READ?! IF I JUST PRESS ENTER IT DROPS OUT AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING
[08:56] <ogra> pmfp: log in with your account, type sudo -s, give _your_ pw and you got a rootshell
[08:56] <flodin> pmfp: use your own password
[08:56] <pmfp> flodin: mind if we don't use caps?
[08:56] <Frafraxy> pmft: sudo passwd
[08:56] <jaye> What's NIC?
[08:56] <ogra> pmfp: YOUR PASSWORD; WHY ARE YOU SHOUTRING ?
[08:56] <dcarro> what chipset does the gigabit nic use?
[08:57] <pmfp> ogra: responding in the same tone as flodin
[08:57] <budgester> Network Inteface Card
[08:57] <flodin> pmfp: i felt the need to yell since i had to repeat myself three times
[08:57] <dcarro> jaye: Network Interface Card
[08:57] <flodin> and you ignored me the first two times
[08:57] <jaye> oh, cool
[08:57] <ogra> pmfp: sudo uses your user pw
[08:57] <pmfp> ogra: thank you!
[08:57] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work!
[08:57] <Friczy> flodin: then don't repeat asking just read.
[08:57] <melazyboy> when you mount an image what if the filesystem type iso####?
[08:57] <Friczy> Frafraxy: sudo <command>
[08:57] <jaye> Does wine work on ubuntu?
[08:58] <Friczy> system will ask for your password
[08:58] <flodin> Friczy: huh? I was answering, not asking
[08:58] <ogra> pmfp: ;)
[08:58] <Frafraxy> sudo apt-get -f install
[08:58] <Friczy> give the user password
[08:58] <Frafraxy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:58] <cpark> dcarro: The chipset for the gigabit NIC is...*checking*
[08:58] <rapha> ogra: "Shoutring", interesting word.
[08:58] <Friczy> flodin: sorry
[08:58] <ogra> rapha: lotr *g*
[08:58] <Friczy> i missed the names
[08:58] <melazyboy> anyone have an answer?
[08:58] <rapha> :-)
[08:59] <melazyboy> filesystem type for a common cd image, its iso8896?
[08:59] <Friczy> melazyboy: -t iso
[08:59] <Friczy> is this an iso image file?
[08:59] <ogra> melazyboy: 9660
[08:59] <dcarro> k
[08:59] <ogra> melazyboy: but for mounting Friczy is right
[08:59] <cpark> dcarro: chipset is  Intel Pro/1000 MT  in a Del Prec650
[08:59] <rapha> Oki doods, I'm gonna fix meself a pasta. Anybody else want some?
[09:00] <melazyboy> Bah its outputing wrong fs type. bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, missing codepage or other error
[09:00] <ogra> rapha: yep
[09:00] <dcarro> cpark, DP83820 chipset?
[09:00] <Friczy> melazyboy: what do you want to do? to mount an iso file as a drive?
[09:00] <rapha> Will mushroom sauce be fine ogra ?
[09:00] <melazyboy> Friczy: Yes
[09:00] <cpark> dcarro: *nods*
[09:00] <ogra> rapha: sure
[09:00] <ogra> :)
[09:00] <rapha> Goody then
[09:00] <Friczy> melazyboy: mount -o loop -t iso <imagefile> <mountpoint>
[09:00] <dcarro> cpark, right on...i gotta jet.  later
[09:00] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[09:01] <ogra> yay
[09:01] <budgester> just had a thought, the fact on boot, the network is brought up before the pcmcia service, is this a possible problem
[09:01] <budgester> with a pcmcia nic
[09:01] <ogra> budgester: call it a known bug...
[09:01] <melazyboy> Friczy: When i use that command it says unknown file system 'iso' when i use iso9660 i get that other error message?
[09:02] <budgester> ogra: and I name that bug "Fred"
[09:02] <Friczy> melazyboy: that's funny.
[09:02] <ogra> melazyboy: why do you mount loop1 ?
[09:02] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[09:02] <ogra> melazyboy: is there already something mounted on loop0 ?
[09:02] <Friczy> modprobe iso can help
[09:02] <melazyboy> ogra: I dont mount loop1, the mount point is /mnt/image
[09:02] <ogra> budgester: hey, thats my dogs name :)
[09:02] <Friczy> melazyboy: what is the command exactly?
[09:03] <melazyboy> Friczy: The command or error?
[09:03] <Friczy> the command.
[09:03] <Friczy> and after the error
[09:03] <bender__> WHO TOOK MY NAME!
[09:04] <ogra> Frafraxy: post the complete output you get to the channel #flood please
[09:04] <melazyboy1> mnt/rwserv/uas/The.Incredibles.FRENCH.TS-ReEnc-DiVx-GGT-PRDX/Kinsey.LiMITED.DVD.SCREENER.SVCD-TheFly/tf-ksva # mount -o loop -t iso9660 ./tf-ksva.bin /mnt/image/
[09:04] <pmfp> okay, got up x too, nice
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> how do i add variable in auto replace function of xchat??
[09:04] <Friczy> melazyboy: just -t iso
[09:04] <Friczy> not iso9660
[09:04] <ogra> melazyboy1: thats not an iso
[09:04] <budgester> just found atmelwlandriver-tools
[09:04] <budgester> install and reboot time
[09:04] <ogra> melazyboy1: looks like a vcd
[09:04] <pmfp> noticed that it runs on vt7, how do you switch to that? the alt+ctrl+f[x]  didnt work
[09:05] <Friczy> heh. you cannot mount a vcd, that's true
[09:05] <melazyboy1> mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso'
[09:05] <melazyboy1> mount: maybe you meant 'iso9660'?
[09:05] <ogra> pmfp: normally f7.... hmm
[09:05] <pmfp> (I am in X... but in case Id be running around in consoles too)
[09:05] <melazyboy> ogra: If its not an iso how do i mount it, its a binary copy of a dvd
[09:05] <Friczy> a dvd? Then it can be udf
[09:06] <ogra> melazyboy: no idea, but iso is certainly the wrong fs for a dvd
[09:06] <pmfp> ogra: hmmm... wasnt there... :/
[09:06] <Friczy> melazyboy: mount -t udf ....
[09:06] <Frafraxy> orga: you can see it on #flood
[09:06] <Friczy> perhaps it helps
[09:06] <pmfp> ogra: anyway, Ill mess with it later
[09:06] <rapha|enterprise> melazyboy: what command did you use again?
[09:06] <Frafraxy> ogra: you can see it on #flood
[09:07] <melazyboy1> Friczy: well its 806MB so i assume its DVD its also a movie, i tried both the udf and iso9660, with the same error messages and -o loop
[09:07] <ogra> Frafraxy: hmm, could you do it again, but before issue the command: export LC_ALL=C
[09:07] <Friczy> melazyboy: no. it can be a vcd as others say
[09:07] <ogra> Frafraxy: so i am able to read it ;)
[09:07] <Friczy> melazyboy: but a vcd cannot be mounted
[09:07] <melazyboy1> so how do i play it?
[09:08] <Friczy> melazyboy: if you have an mplayer it can play it
[09:08] <ogra> melazyboy1: without mounting it :)
[09:08] <melazyboy1> no demuxer found
[09:08] <melazyboy1> =[
[09:08] <Frafraxy> voila'
[09:08] <Frafraxy> in #flood
[09:09] <Friczy> Frafraxy: try dpkg -i --force-overwrite --force-overwrite-dir <packagename>
[09:09] <melazyboy1> it has a .cue file, usefull at all?
[09:09] <ogra> Frafraxy: where does fglrx-4.3.0-driver  come from...thats really bad
[09:10] <Frafraxy> ogra: what i must to do?
[09:10] <miausX_> hi! :)
[09:10] <ogra> Frafraxy: try sudo dpkg -r fglrx-4.3.0-driver && sudo apt-get -f install
[09:10] <flodin> how can i clear all the pending actions for aptitude? It seems i have accientally told it to delete a bunch of packages but i didn't press 'g' yet
[09:10] <flodin> i'm not finding anything in the help screen
[09:10] <Frafraxy> ogra: see #flood
[09:11] <xiximkopp> anybody has a clue why the glx doesn't work anymore on my nvidia graphic card in hoary (nvidia driver)?
[09:12] <Frafraxy> ogra: have you see it?
[09:12] <ogra> Frafraxy: very bad... you should never use rpm based packages for such basic stuff like drivers....
[09:12] <xiximkopp> i get Segmentation fault all the time..
[09:12] <Frafraxy> ogra: it was a .tgz
[09:13] <ogra> Frafraxy: how did you make a deb out of that ?
[09:13] <flodin> blah. I keep pressing Undo but it still says "Will free 8028kB of disk space" at the top
[09:13] <Frafraxy> ogra: how can i remove it
[09:13] <Frafraxy> ?
[09:13] <jaye> holy christ there's a lot of processes runnig
[09:14] <jaye> gnome's got a good bit of overhead eh?
[09:14] <ogra> jaye: ever tried kde ?
[09:14] <jaye> Yeah, it's on one of the live-cd's I have.
[09:14] <ogra> Frafraxy: give me some time, thinking about it
[09:14] <Frafraxy> ok
[09:15] <jaye> What desktop has the most software compatablility?
[09:15] <ogra> jaye: blackbox or fluxbox i guess
[09:15] <jaye> What do you use?
[09:16] <xiximkopp> does your glx work in hoary?
[09:16] <ogra> xiximkopp: nvidial or ati ?
[09:17] <xiximkopp> nvidia
[09:17] <miausX_> jaye: desktop == kde/gnome/xfce; window manager == fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, wmaker, etc
[09:17] <ogra> xiximkopp: its underway, not sure if its already in ....
[09:17] <ogra> jaye: gnome indeed
[09:17] <jaye> I like this so far.  But I'm the most indecisive person I know and that makes this hard lol
[09:18] <jaye> I can't even get food at subway in under 10 minutes
[09:18] <miausX_> jaye: hehehe, me too... I have kde on my suse 9.2 and gnome in my Ubuntu :)
[09:18] <ogra> jaye: hmm, in germany we eat at restaurants
[09:18] <jaye> What's ubuntu doing with all that space?  There's not much software here.
[09:18] <jaye> You're german?
[09:18] <miausX_> ogra: lol
[09:18] <ogra> jaye: but it takes mostly more then 10 min
[09:18] <xiximkopp> ogra, my dist is very recent (i'm updating nearly each day using synaptic), sometimes it works, sometimes not... but every time i need it it does not...
[09:19] <jaye> Restraunts are too expensive in texas.
[09:19] <ogra> lol, thats hoary....
[09:19] <ogra> jaye: yep, german
[09:19] <Frafraxy> ogra: ?
[09:19] <jaye> I'm in second year German class at school.
[09:19] <xiximkopp> ogra, i now... i thin i compile a new vanilla and install drivers form nvidia.com...
[09:20] <ogra> Frafraxy: yep
[09:20] <ogra> xiximkopp: wont help with xorg
[09:20] <xiximkopp> ogra, why?
[09:20] <ogra> xiximkopp: its a x porb, not a kernel prob
[09:21] <jaye> Where can I find software to run with this?
[09:21] <ogra> xiximkopp: i dont think you need to recompile the kernel from a vanoilla source, install the linux headers pkg and build-essential
[09:21] <xiximkopp> ogra, dont the nvidia drivers run on xorg?
[09:21] <xiximkopp> ogra, i have them... always...
[09:21] <xiximkopp> lol
[09:22] <ogra> xiximkopp: i heard roumors the newest should do... but they get packaged if the Xorg maintainer is back from holiday
[09:23] <xiximkopp> ogra, ok thank you... i wanted just to test my new graphic card...
[09:23] <ogra> ahh, its cristmas time
[09:23] <xiximkopp> ogra, it is...
[09:24] <xiximkopp> ogra, where do you come from?
[09:24] <ogra> zur zeit aus der eifel
[09:25] <xiximkopp> ogra, aha, ich komme ausm norden
[09:25] <ogra> eigentlich aus hannover :)
[09:25] <xiximkopp> genau...
[09:25] <ogra> but lets stay english....
[09:25] <ogra> #ubuntu-de is for german ;)
[09:25] <xiximkopp> ogra, where in hannover do you live?
[09:26] <ogra> xiximkopp: nowhere anymore.... i have a atelier in wuelfel in an old factory though
[09:26] <ogra> xiximkopp: but wasnt home since more then a year
[09:27] <xiximkopp> ogra, sounds nice... some of my friends live there...
[09:27] <Frafraxy> ogra: et allors?
[09:27] <ogra> xiximkopp: currently i live in the eifel in the middle of nowhere....near the nuerburgring
[09:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: try it with a --force-overwrite option....
[09:28] <xiximkopp> ogra, do you know the stoecken graveyard? it's just a stone throw away...
[09:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-driver_<IP_ADDRESS>.3-4_i386.deb
[09:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: but hanging in a divert option is heavy ....
[09:29] <ogra> xiximkopp: sure ....
[09:30] <ogra> Frafraxy: hmm
[09:31] <xiximkopp> i'm trying my luck with vanilla...
[09:31] <ogra> Frafraxy: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite-diverted /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-driver_<IP_ADDRESS>.3-4_i386.deb
[09:31] <Frafraxy> ogra: idem
[09:32] <ogra> xiximkopp: huh, ? what for, it htought you only want the nvidia driver
[09:32] <ogra> Frafraxy: seen it ?
[09:32] <xiximkopp> ogra, but 2.6.10 sounds great
[09:32] <Frafraxy> k
[09:33] <scorpix> hello
[09:33] <ogra> xiximkopp: ah, ok....i know 2.6.10 is in the works at the devs currently....but not ready yet with all the ubuntu patches
[09:33] <xiximkopp> ogra, the vanilla is stable... i give it a try... doesnt kill me...
[09:34] <ogra> Frafraxy: hmm, that was my last resort.... :(
[09:34] <scorpix> i try the live cd, but it wont start X, it just restart the monitor, any thing can be done to fix this?
[09:35] <ogra> Frafraxy: another one (starting wild guesses)
[09:35] <pw> I'm booting off my Ubuntu installer CD, but all I get when I choose "Ubuntu" is the Gnoppix liveCD thing instead of the installer. Am I being a moron?
[09:35] <ogra> Frafraxy: sudo dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq fglrx-4.3.0-driver
[09:36] <ogra> pw: thats not the installer cd
[09:36] <pw> ogra - is too :)
[09:36] <pw> I installed the other PC off this one just fine.
[09:37] <ogra> pw: sure ?
[09:37] <budgester> dunno, if I am running in the right direction but, there is not config in /etc/pcmcia/config for the amtel chipset wireless card
[09:37] <pw> The ISO name is "warty-release-install-i386.iso"
[09:37] <Frafraxy> who can give me a good apt/source.list?
[09:38] <ogra> Frafraxy: wont repair your dpkg prob
[09:38] <jaye> will programs in gnome run in kde or visa versa or are they like seperate things all together?
[09:38] <flodin> hrmpf. IMHO ubuntu shouldn't open a bunch of ports by default, and should at least give you the option to install in a 'secure' mode
[09:38] <EB8COF> downloading.... other more thank's
[09:38] <ogra> jaye: you can run kde stuff in gnome
[09:39] <budgester> jaye: they should work as long as you have the libraries installed
[09:39] <Friczy> jaye: they use their own libs, but you can use kde programs in gnome
[09:39] <Friczy> or vece versa
[09:39] <jaye> ok
[09:39] <ogra> jaye: it just loads all the additional ked libs
[09:39] <jaye> Is there a way to make gnome look as pretty as kde?
[09:39] <pw> The CD label is "Warty-Upgrade 0." when I mount it on my Windows box.
[09:39] <budgester> jaye: you'll notice this if you run the app from the command line
[09:39] <ogra> jaye: as ugly as kde ? nope
[09:40] <jaye> lol
[09:40] <jaye> This is kind of plain.  I normally like plain but only in blue an grey
[09:40] <jaye> lol
[09:40] <ogra> jaye: if you want kde use kubuntu
[09:40] <jaye> I can get used to this so long as I can run apps for both
[09:40] <jaye> I just want to figure out how to change the style.
[09:40] <jaye> from brown
[09:41] <ogra> jaye: themes tool in the Computer menu
[09:41] <ogra> jaye: art.gnome.org
[09:41] <jaye> oh yeah... now that's the jackpot
[09:42] <jaye> multiple desktops wow
[09:43] <ogra> Frafraxy: my souces.list is in flood (doesnt differ much from the original though)
[09:48] <scorpix> when i boot the live cd the monitor keep restarting, how to fix that ?
[09:49] <ogra> scorpix: did you try different boot options ?
[09:49] <scorpix> ogra: yes
[09:49] <Frafraxy> ogra: see #flood O_O
[09:49] <ogra> Frafraxy: just saw it....
[09:49] <ctr> hmm
[09:50] <scorpix> do i have to change my current resulotion, if yes, which is recomended?
[09:50] <ogra> Frafraxy: does dpkg -r fglrx-driver-dev work ?
[09:50] <ctr> I want to know how long we need to wait until we get wifi on g4 ibooks :)
[09:50] <s0cks> ogra
[09:50] <jaye> Where should I install a theme to?
[09:50] <ogra> ctr: extreme ?
[09:51] <ogra> s0cks
[09:51] <ctr> yeah
[09:51] <jaye> err nm
[09:51] <sjoerd> ctr: untill hell freezes over once again ?
[09:51] <ogra> ctr: ask apple, they sit on the specs
[09:51] <ctr> hmm, opera for series60 is sweet
[09:51] <ctr> yeah I know
[09:51] <ctr> :)
[09:51] <s0cks> ogra : Fix my computer
[09:51] <sjoerd> ogra: no, it's not apples fault
[09:51] <sjoerd> ogra: broadcomm is the problem
[09:51] <ogra> sjoerd: ??
[09:51] <ogra> sjoerd: ahh, ok
[09:51] <Frafraxy> EEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!1
[09:51] <Frafraxy> IT WORK!!!
[09:51] <Ohmer> nil sux :)
[09:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: yay
[09:52] <Frafraxy> ok for install the ati drivers, what i must to do? (step-step)
[09:52] <s0cks> ogra : Ubuntu fucked it up
[09:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: so next time be careful with foreign drivers ;)
[09:52] <ogra> s0cks ;-P
[09:52] <Frafraxy> k
[09:52] <sjoerd> ogra: even worse is that there are actually linux drivers for the cards (linksys access points have the same card)
[09:53] <s0cks> ogra : Seemingly, it made my hard disk useless.
[09:53] <Frafraxy> can you e
[09:53] <Frafraxy> can you tell me the steps?
[09:53] <ogra> s0cks: oh, thats serious ? i thought youre joking as always
[09:53] <ogra> sjoerd: not portable ?
[09:54] <Frafraxy> orga?
[09:54] <s0cks> ogra : I do joke alot, but not in this case.
[09:54] <sjoerd> ogra: don't know.. binary only for mips, so not usefull on anything else
[09:54] <ogra> Frafraxy: they are here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:54] <Frafraxy> tell me the steps, please
[09:54] <Frafraxy> k
[09:54] <Frafraxy> thanks
[09:54] <ogra> sjoerd: argh
[09:55] <ogra> s0cks: what happens ?
[09:55] <s0cks> ogra : I installed it, and the installer went to reboot, and it froze after the post.
[09:55] <s0cks> Can't format the drive, can't even use the computer with the hard disk plugged in
[09:55] <ogra> sjoerd: we should send them fabbionne in pinhead mode, probably that makes them reconsider ;)
[09:55] <s0cks> I'd love to format it.
[09:55] <s0cks> And start over.
[09:56] <sjoerd> ogra: sounds like a plan :)
[09:56] <nomasteryoda> s0cks, you will need to zero the first sectors of the drive...
[09:56] <Frafraxy> orga: for flash plugin?
[09:56] <nomasteryoda> did it have winders on it?
[09:56] <ogra> Frafraxy: if you use my sources list, just install it
[09:57] <s0cks> nomasteryoda : Yes.
[09:57] <nomasteryoda> had that happen before
[09:57] <s0cks> I wanna dual boot with two hard disks now.
[09:57] <s0cks> But I can't get the other to work.
[09:57] <nomasteryoda> ic
[09:57] <ogra> s0cks: live cd ? reformat ?
[09:58] <s0cks> Hmm... Interesting thaught.
[09:58] <s0cks> I can do that through terminal?
[09:58] <ogra> Frafraxy: ah, sorry... the package name is here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:58] <ogra> s0cks: why not
[09:58] <el> alguien
[09:58] <s0cks> ogra : Command?
[09:59] <yorkomo> Hey, I'm trying to help out a friend upgrading some software in Ubuntu, but I use FreeBSD so I'm kind of clueless here.
[09:59] <yorkomo> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest firefox for him.
[09:59] <el> como reprodusco mp3
[09:59] <yorkomo> Mind givin' me some pointers?
[09:59] <ogra> s0cks: first mount with the right mountpoints etc... then cfdisk /dev/blah for partitioning..... the mkfs.ext3 ....
[10:00] <ogra> s0cks: ah, wrong order