[05:33] <dholbach> good morning
[05:34]  * slangasek waves
[05:35] <dholbach> hi slangasek
[05:35] <lifeless> dholbach: do you have a script to repeat what you say on every channel ? :)
[05:36] <dholbach> no, it's easy enough without a script :)
!
[05:40] <persia> Depends on the client.  Some clients have <up> bound to the channel.  Paste/enter can help.
[05:40] <stgraber> some clients also have /msay that just sends a message to all channels (irssi doesn't)
[05:46] <dholbach> does the "report a bug" menu item work for you guys in intrepid?
[05:47] <dholbach> ok... seems to be generally broken
[05:49] <nxvl> dholbach: you are early today, good morning
[05:50] <nxvl> dholbach: mimi needed to wake up earlier?
[05:50] <dholbach> nxvl: exactly :)
[05:51] <dholbach> nxvl: how are you doing?
[05:51] <nxvl> good
[05:51] <nxvl> it was a good and quiet weekend
[05:51] <nxvl> waiting for news which i expect to get tomorrow morning or the day after it
[05:51] <nxvl> i hope
[06:05] <ion_> stgraber: Haven't tested, but i assume /fore chan /say foo works.
[06:10] <ion_> stgraber: Oh, in fact /fore win foo should work, which i consider almost a bug. IMO the syntax should be /foreach <object> <command> <args> instead of /foreach <object> /<command> <args> where a missing / causes it to send messages.
[08:09] <wolfe> persia: you there?
[08:10] <persia> wolfe: Typically, although I much prefer content with my alerts.
[08:10] <wolfe> persia: oh, sorry :)
[08:10]  * persia waits for content, planning to go back into context soon.
[08:11] <wolfe> persia: if someone were using a sensor for detecting when someone was speaking, what type of sensor and where would it be placed?
[08:11] <wolfe> persia: I'm starting to get in to anitronics >.>
[08:12] <wolfe> *animatronics
[08:12] <wolfe> though mostly for special costumes =]
[08:12] <persia> I'd probably rely on bone conduction for that, placing a sensor just before the ear or just under the ear.
[08:12] <wolfe> hmm
[08:13] <wolfe> I'm thinking about making a kangaroo custome which has a moving jaw and eyes
[08:13] <wolfe> just something cute
[08:13] <wolfe> I'm probably going to make it somewhat complex if I can... like this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2u7ekG51to
[08:14] <wolfe> I wonder how much money they spent for the specified 30 second commercial xD
[08:15]  * persia doesn't have the right combination of software to watch youtube, but suspects "bunches" is roughly correct.
[08:15] <ion_> youtube-dl and whatever player you prefer.
[08:15] <wolfe> its a korean commerial of this kangaroo who is selling SENS. With moving eyes, jaw, and ears.
[08:17] <persia> ion_: Actually, there are a wide variety of combinations that work.  However, having said combinations installed tends to cause me to watch videos, which is not something I tend to find to be the best use of my time :)
[08:30] <zver> hello. when somebody fix depends on pgbouncer to postgresql-8.2 in intrepid   ?
[08:33] <persia> zver: Specific tasks like that don't tend to be scheduled.  You might open a bug about it, or wait until someone does it.
[08:34] <zver> persia: ok
[08:45] <ArneGoetje> if we do a Fake-Sync, because the same package has been maintained in parallel in debian and ubuntu, do we need to copy the package history of the ubuntu package into the resulting changelog? or is it not necessary?
[08:47] <yao_ziyuan> i just bought a new Samsung DVD recorder and it can read a data CD well under win xp but not well under ubuntu 8.04 + kde 4.1.
[08:47] <yao_ziyuan> someone told me this could have something to do with the kernel driver
[08:48] <yao_ziyuan> so, is it true that new hardware must wait some time for the linux kernel to catch up?
[08:51] <ArneGoetje> the point is: the original tarball comes as .zip and has been repackaged by two different individuals, once for debian and once for ubuntu and has been maintained in parallel since then.
[08:53] <persia> ArneGoetje: Generally, a fakesync should only happen in the case where we'd like to do a real sync, but the orig.tar.gz differs.
[08:54] <ArneGoetje> persia: that's the case here
[08:54] <persia> Personally, I don't tend to keep Ubuntu packaging information when I do a fakesync, and I tend to use a -Nbuild1 version so that it goes away in the future.
[08:54] <dholbach> persia: what happens if Debian uploads a   -<N+1>?
[08:55] <persia> dholbach: The sync fails, and it gets dumpted into manual merges on MoM.
[08:56] <persia> dholbach: I suppose perhaps using Nubuntu1 means that the flag is raised beforehand, so it's less confusing.
[08:56] <dholbach> yeah, I thought so
[08:58] <ArneGoetje> persia: ok, so use ubuntu1 and drop the old ubuntu changelog and use the debian one instead... ?
[08:58] <RAOF> Then what happens if debian uploads $VER+1-1?
[08:59] <persia> RAOF: Then one needs to request a sync from the archive admins.
[08:59] <persia> ArneGoetje: That sounds right to me.
[08:59] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[08:59] <ArneGoetje> persia: ok, thanks
[09:01] <persia> yao_ziyuan: Sometimes.  It depends on the hardware.  If new hardware is introduced for which there is no support by any existing drivers, someone needs to add it.  As the owner of hardware so affected, you're in an excellent position to do so.
[09:01] <persia> Note that much of the hardware being produced these days adheres to various standards to reduce the driver development effort by the hardware manufacturers, and so is not so affected.
[10:06] <fabbione> hi guys
[10:06] <Simira> morning fabbione
[10:06] <fabbione> hey Simira
[10:07] <Simira> fabbione: how is your family?
[10:07] <fabbione> Simira: pretty good thanks
[10:07] <fabbione> and you?
[10:07] <Simira> fabbione: enjoying life in Cambridge for the weekend
[10:07] <fabbione> Simira: ehhe vacation or work?
[10:07] <Simira> fabbione: your kids, they are 2 and 3 years old now?
[10:08] <fabbione> Simira: nah... 2 and 8 months
[10:08] <Simira> fabbione: vacation, Debian BBQ + some sightseeing
[10:08] <fabbione> Simira: lucky you ;)
[10:08] <Simira> fabbione: sounds lively :)
[10:08] <Simira> fabbione: yup, lucky me
[10:08] <fabbione> Simira: they are two little angels with big red horns ;)
[10:08] <Simira> I can imagine
[10:33] <\sh> hmm...is there any way to download the ubuntu netbook remix somehow? I would like to test it on my aspire
[10:35] <davmor2> \sh: there is no current build if that is what you mean.  You can however install it menually.
[10:35] <\sh> davmor2: you mean "install ubuntu via usb cd, and install the packages fom the remix ppa"
[10:36] <davmor2> \sh: yeap
[10:36] <\sh> ok :) that's easy ,->
[10:37] <davmor2> /sh: there should be an image for intrepid at some point as far as I know just not yet :)
[10:38] <\sh> davmor2: well, I just want to remove this linpus linux on it...looks quite nice, but it's somehow fedora based...
[11:04] <emgent> moin
[11:45] <bigon> could someone have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/enchant/+bug/261075 ?
[11:50] <devfil_> bigon: in Debian it is fixed, so a merge should be enough
[11:51] <bigon> devfil_, it will require a merge as there are ubuntu changes made by slangasek
[11:51] <asac> ogra: where do i find warren again?
[11:52] <persia> bigon: devfil_: Although I don't usually advocate this pre-FeatureFreeze, the option so far unmentioneed is to port the specific patch from Debian without a full merge.
[11:53] <ogra> asac, #ltsp but he is on boston time ... and usually hangs out here as well
[11:53] <bigon> persia, yeah of course but the last debian upload only fix this issue
[11:54] <ogra> no idea in what other channels he usually is
[11:54] <asac> ogra: ok thanks. ill try to remember that for later today ;)
[11:57] <ogra> tjaalton, what in hal calls debian-setup-keyboard (i want to do something similar for touchscreens so the calibration can sit in a different place)
[12:09] <ogra> tjaalton, what in hal calls debian-setup-keyboard (i want to do something similar for touchscreens so the calibration can sit in a different place)
[12:10] <ogra> tjaalton, i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/40402/ but no idea how to call it or from where
[12:26] <stefanlsd> Does firefox hang  for anyone else when trying to access   www.axxess.co.za  ?
[12:27] <emgent> stefanlsd: me too
[12:27] <stefanlsd> emgent: thanks. yeah. maybe flash. i've been getting it lots lately.
[12:28] <thorwil> stefanlsd: not here. i have flash-block ...
[12:28] <emgent> true, go via links2 -g
[12:28] <emgent> :)
[12:28] <stefanlsd> thorwil: mm. good idea. think i'll try that :)
[12:28] <ogra> asac, does midbrowser use ubufox anywhere ?
[12:28] <emgent> 100% CPU
[12:28] <emgent> nice..
[12:29] <asac> ogra: it doesnt. why?
[12:29] <asac> is that wanted?
[12:30] <ogra> heh, no
[12:30] <ogra> i'm just cleaning up the current ubuntu.mobile seed (new for intrepid)
[12:30] <ogra> and was dropping FF in favour of MB
[12:30] <asac> good
[12:31] <asac> ogra: is the home applet using xul 1.9 in intrepid?
[12:31] <ogra> no idea, ask the maintainer .. i dont use it anywhere yet
[12:32] <asac> ogra-Q1 <- isnt running the home screen?
[12:32] <asac> what a hoax ;)
[12:32] <ogra> asac, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ubuntu-mobile-intrepid.png
[12:32] <ogra> thats how my ubuntu-mobile on te Q! looks like atm
[12:33] <ogra> plain gnome, three extra apps
[12:33] <ogra> *Q1
[12:33] <asac> nice
[12:33] <ogra> and settings
[12:33] <asac> ogra: nm 0.7?
[12:33] <ogra> whatever is in ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:34] <asac> ogra: tbird is in the seeds?
[12:34] <asac> good news ;)
[12:34] <asac> wel ... partially good news.
[12:35] <ogra> why partially ?
[12:35] <asac> the bad is that tbird 3 probably wont be able to use system-xul
[12:35] <ogra> meh
[12:35] <asac> because the whole mailnews mess turns out to be too hard to migrate before 3.1
[12:35] <ogra> will we switch before release ?
[12:35] <asac> ogra: unlikely
[12:36] <ogra> well, then i'm fine
[12:36] <asac> i think in intrepid+1 they will have a release
[12:36] <ogra> ubuntu-mobile is a first shot only now
[12:36] <ogra> fine tweaking will be done in intrepid+1 ... for intrepid having it basically usable and not to ugly is enough
[12:45] <tjaalton> ogra: 10-x11-keymap.fdi
[12:46] <tjaalton> ogra: so you'd need to match the device and add the callout
[12:49] <ogra> ah
[12:49]  * ogra will test that later today
[12:50] <tjaalton> ogra: create a new fdi file for evtouch.. that could then be added to the package
[12:54] <dholbach> maybe somebody could give a session at Ubuntu Developer Week about  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases  ?
[12:55] <ogra> tjaalton, right, but it needs matches for the touchscreen devices as well
[12:56] <tjaalton> ogra: yes
[12:56] <ogra> tjaalton, so it will rather be multiple files ... which i'd still like to see in hal-info to get at least the right drivers (many touchscreens default to "mouse" or "evdev" if hal doesnt know anything about them)
[12:56] <ogra> which simply doesnt work
[12:56] <tjaalton> why multiple files?
[12:57] <ogra> i'd also like to see evtouch in the default selection of input drivers but thats likely something bryce has to decide
[12:57] <ogra> because there are plenty of devices
[12:57] <tjaalton> they can all be in the same file, see synaptics
[12:57] <ogra> with different ways of recognizing them as touchscreens
[12:57] <ogra> hmm, that would become a complicated file
[12:58] <tjaalton> tough :)
[12:58] <ogra> i'd like to find a way to categorize them and have one file per category
[12:58] <persia> tjaalton: There are lots of classes of touchscreens.  Should they really all the the same file?
[12:59] <ogra> i.e. there are the ones with input.mouse capabilities you can only recognize by other info ... then there are some that register as input.touchpad etc
[12:59] <ogra> HW wise thats a big mess
[12:59] <persia> I'd think one file per class of touchscreens would make more sense.
[13:00] <tjaalton> one per driver?
[13:02] <ogra> well, what i said above applied to evtouch alone
[13:02] <tjaalton> right :)
[13:02] <ogra> there are other touchscreens with other drivers (serial ones etc)
[13:02] <tjaalton> and wacom
[13:03] <ogra> right
[13:03] <persia> tjaalton: But even in the evtouch case, there are some that identify themselves as touchscreems, and some that identify themselves as mice.  Can these not also be separate files?
[13:04] <tjaalton> persia: yes they could, but I still don't see why keep them separate
[13:05] <Hobbsee> lifeless: use /ame
[13:05] <Hobbsee> lifeless: it seems to be the standard
[13:05] <lifeless> Hobbsee: ?!
[13:05] <tjaalton> persia: not that it would be a huge issue to me.. the fdi files will eventually be upstream (like synaptics has)
[13:06] <Hobbsee> lifeless: earlier you asked about a script to broadcast the same thing on multiple channels :)
[13:06] <lifeless> Hobbsee: no
[13:06] <Hobbsee> well, commented on it
[13:07] <lifeless> you misread the intent of my question :)
[13:07] <Hobbsee> or reinterpretted it.  but yes :)
[14:01] <Adri2000> amsn srus for dapper and gutsy are tested and can be copied to -updates now, bug #243722
[14:36] <huats> I am not very familiar with python-support, so if someone is, I'd like to ask a few questions
[14:37] <persia> huats: You may find #ubuntu-motu to be a more useful forum for that sort of question.
[14:37] <huats> :)
[14:37] <huats> ok
[14:37] <huats> thanks persia
[14:44] <soren> When does slangasek usually show up?
[14:47] <pwnguin> as soon as the germans leave ;)
[14:48] <cody-somerville> soren, thats a difficult one to answer... usually he just doesn't leave at all :P
[14:48] <pwnguin> those IRC stat generators could probably answer such a question
[14:48] <persia> soren: He's UTC-7, so probably not for a few hours yet.
[14:49] <soren> persia: Cool. Thanks.
[14:49] <persia> pwnguin: Those aren't necessarily accurate.  For quite a while I had about even stats in all timezones in one channel.
[14:50] <zul> soren: soon probably :)
[14:52] <asac> geser: are you openvpn master? look at bug 260291
[14:53] <asac> appars to have regressed with one of the last openvpn uploads
[15:02] <zul> asac: what happened?
[15:11] <zul> asac: : ping *sigh* itll be fixed today
[15:16] <geser> asac: sorry no, I'm not a openvpn master
[15:31] <asac> zul: ?
[15:31] <asac> geser: ok thanks. just found your name in the changelog there ;)
[15:31] <zul> asac: openvpn
[15:31] <asac> zul: oh. you know that bug?
[15:32] <zul> asac: yeah its in the NEWS file
[15:32] <zul> im modifying the init script so its backwards compatible
[15:33] <asac> zul: rock. can you close that bug in the upload?
[15:33] <zul> asac: yep
[15:33] <asac> ill close the network-manager-openvpn task as invalid then
[15:33] <asac> thanks
[15:44] <zul> asac: fix has been uploaded
[16:06] <LaserJock> dholbach: I'll have a look at the matplotlib merge (I've been communicating with upstream on it)
[16:07] <dholbach> LaserJock: excellent
[16:07] <dholbach> gracias
[16:08] <LaserJock> Bitte schön
[17:06] <slangasek> soren: much later than 6:45 :-)
[17:10] <soren> slangasek: Slacker.
[17:10] <soren> :p
[17:10] <soren> :)
[17:44] <bazaar> hi. why does gettext output a standard char * pointer, and not wchar_t * -- shouldn't the output be wide characters as it some unicode/utf stuff?
[17:47] <slangasek> no, char * is the standard type for strings in Unix
[17:47] <slangasek> and UTF-8 is not a wchar representation
[17:54] <ion_> Yeah, UTF-8 is an 8-bit encoding.
[17:55] <bazaar> so do chinese characters fit in a char * ?
[17:55] <bazaar> 'how do ...
[17:58] <persia> bazaar: A sequence of bytes, with the most significant bits being a flag for the renderers.  Documentation on the UTF-8 encoding may be helpful.
[18:02] <soren> Err.... Can someone explain what I need to do to bug 251480 to get it listed on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm?
[18:07] <Laney> soren: It probably doesn't show as it's Fix Released
[18:07] <soren> Laney: Except the hardy task, which is "confirmed".
[18:08] <Laney> soren: Yes, but the +source/kvm page only shows Ubuntu tasks, AFAICS
[18:08] <Laney> soren: It does show at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kvm
[18:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:09] <soren> Well, i guess I can add an intrepid task, set that to fix released, and set the "general" state to "Confirmed".
[18:09] <LaserJock> the plain bugs listing doesn't show release targeted bugs, you have to go to the release specific bug listing
[18:10] <soren> Mky
[18:10] <soren> mkay, even.
[18:10] <soren> Yeah, that didn't help. :(
[18:14] <LaserJock> soren: now you're makin' a mess :-)
[18:15] <soren> Yeah :(
[18:15]  * soren goes and stands in the corner
[18:15] <slangasek> bugs that are fixed in the latest dev release are not expected to show up under ubuntu/+source/
[18:16] <slangasek> only under ubuntu/$targeted_release/+source
[18:17] <soren> That seems suboptimal. It'll usually be fixed in the latest dev release first. I don't want it off my radar until it's fixed everywhere, I think.
[18:18] <LaserJock> although I would think one would assume that the ubuntu/+source list would give all open bugs and that you'd use ubuntu/<devel release>/+source if you wanted to weed out others
[18:19] <geser> it's known as bug 121602
[18:35] <soren> geser: Thanks.
[19:22] <kees> slangasek: okay for me to move from md5 to sha512 in pam?
[19:53] <tseliot> superm1: did you have a look at the code I wrote for you?
[19:54] <superm1> tseliot, yeah it looked good.  it is going to be in the next -common upload
[19:54] <superm1> thanks
[19:54] <tseliot> superm1: great :-)
[19:55] <slangasek> kees: well, no objections on my side :)
[20:02] <bryce> tseliot, superm1: I spoke with ATI about the fglrx/xserver 1.5 issue.
[20:03] <bryce> so they're aware of it and are also anxious to find a solution.  I presented several options and am waiting to hear back.
[20:03] <superm1> bryce, what options did you present to them?
[20:04] <superm1> of course the most ideal is that they just get support for xorg 1.5 :)
[20:04] <bryce> a) revert the change that removed the symbols (which sounds like a gordian knot)
[20:04] <tseliot> bryce: shall we try to reintroduce the AllocatePrivateIndex or whatever it's called in the xserver?
[20:04] <bryce> b) put in a stub version of the symbol (which we'd need their assistance with)
[20:04] <bryce> c) a hotfix version from them that doesn't use the symbol
[20:05] <superm1> yeah, i don't think (a) is a feasible solution at this point
[20:05] <superm1> especially with how big of a change that is
[20:05] <jcristau> b doesn't sound like a feasible solution to me
[20:05] <bryce> d) SRU the version with 1.5 support post-release
[20:08] <bryce> jcristau: yeah I indicated (c) would be the best option.  I don't know what miZeroLineScreenIndex does exactly but assume a stubbed function would cause breakage elsewhere.
[20:08] <jcristau> bryce: that symbol is just the tip of the iceberg
[20:08] <jcristau> bryce: there are multiple abi and api changes between 1.4 and 1.5
[20:09] <bryce> (d) I think is a bad option because all fglrx users would break on upgrade.
[20:09] <superm1> not to mention that we don't have all the other integration pieces (eg jockey) fully tested with the new way of doing things
[20:10] <bryce> one option I didn't present but that I guess also belongs on the list is e) reverting to xserver 1.4
[20:10] <jcristau> bryce: at least the xace-selinux work, and pci-rework
[20:11] <materic> Hi i need a help for running a just compiled code. can i address the question?
[20:11] <tseliot> bryce: miZeroLineScreenIndex is not the only problem. I have tried to fix that and I got an error about AllocateScreenPrivateIndex. AFAIK miAllocateGCPrivateIndex is used in X now.
[20:11] <bryce> materic: wrong channel -> you want #ubuntu
[20:11] <tjaalton> bryce: you forgot to add a smiley ;)
[20:12] <bryce> :-D
[20:12] <bryce> morning tjaalton
[20:12] <tjaalton> hi all
[20:12] <bryce> fwiw Intel also wishes us to revert back to 1.4, but I think the issue they are seeing is just a normal bug we can probably solve in the next 1-2 months
[20:12] <jcristau> tseliot: right, the devprivates rework is a major api/abi change
[20:13] <bryce> another option I did not mention is to just drop -fglrx as a supported driver
[20:13] <tseliot> bryce: that would certainly solve our problem ;)
[20:13] <bryce> anyway, if anyone else has more ideas on options I'm all ears, that seems to be the scope though.
[20:13] <superm1> would reverting back to 1.4 mean that newer drivers have to be reverted too?
[20:13] <tjaalton> bryce: intel? what bug exactly?
[20:13] <bryce> superm1: I'd assume we'd have a big mess on our hands
[20:14] <jcristau> all that because ati can't get their act together?
[20:14] <bryce> tjaalton: unfortunately they filed it private and didn't subscribe me, so I only have a vague description to go by
[20:14] <ramses-sv> run active_notice
[20:14] <tjaalton> bryce: ok
[20:14] <bryce> tjaalton: it's with a newer / unreleased chipset so I suspect it's just a normal hw support issue, nothing earth shattering
[20:15] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, at least our current driver doesn't support Xv for G45, since one of the patches disable textured video
[20:16] <tjaalton> and the chip doesn't support anything else
[20:18] <tjaalton> also, we have 2.4.0 while there is 2.4.1 ready to be merged
[20:18]  * bryce nods
[20:18] <bryce> hey, any idea of when xserver 1.5 will be released?
[20:18] <tjaalton> when mesa 7.1 is released
[20:19] <tjaalton> at least GEM is dropped from it so there's no need for a new libdrm as well
[20:19] <jcristau> mesa 7.1 should come this week, according to brian
[20:20] <tjaalton> so it seems
[20:20] <tseliot> bryce: in any case I think we should prevent dist-upgrades from crashing X because of the 2 NVIDIA legacy drivers and of the ATI driver.
[20:20] <elmo> bryce: do you know why we still ship i855-crt in main?
[20:20] <tjaalton> tseliot: that's doable by "blacklisting" those drivers, and let them use nv/ati instead
[20:21] <tjaalton> after upgrade
[20:21] <tseliot> tjaalton: ok but if a driver is set in the xorg.conf you can blacklist the kernel module
[20:22] <bryce> elmo: no, I'm not familiar with that package, why do you ask?
[20:22] <tseliot> tjaalton: but that wouldn't prevent X from crashing would it?
[20:23] <tjaalton> tseliot: no, but a forced dexconf run would
[20:23] <elmo> bryce: I filed a bug on it, years ago, saying "we should either demote/remove this package, or actually apply the patches people send for it", and people keep pinging me about the bug
[20:23] <elmo> I'm pretty sure it's entirely obsoleted by xrandr
[20:24] <elmo> but I'm also guessing ;-)
[20:24] <bryce> elmo: could be
[20:24] <tjaalton> shocking, it is still in main
[20:24] <bryce> elmo: I don't recognize it as a package on the ubuntu-x package list; maybe it's just cruft?
[20:24] <verwilst> hm, i just made a deb but it installs stuff in /usr/usr/lib/...
[20:24] <elmo> bryce: I think it is, yeah.  if you guys don't want it, no one else will :)
[20:25] <tjaalton> bryce: should be removed. no code changes since 01 Sep 2004 :)
[20:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: ok, so we would have to detect the card and see if it's not supported by a driver which works with X and force a dexconf if required, since we don't want to break nvidia-glx-177 and 173
[20:25] <superm1> tjaalton, tseliot alternatively just not offer dist-upgrades if any of those packages that will cause breakage are present, at least until sorted out
[20:26] <bryce> yeah, poking through it, it looks like a ubuntu-only package that has become direly obsolete.  I'll file a removal request
[20:26] <bryce> elmo: thanks
[20:27] <elmo> bryce: np, thank you :)
[20:27] <tseliot> superm1: yes, that's an option, unless you're doing the dist-upgrade from the command line
[20:28] <tjaalton> cmdline is hard.. those people will notice when/why X doesn't work ;)
[20:28] <tseliot> superm1, tjaalton: maybe we could reuse nvidia-common for such hardware check
[20:28] <bryce> is there any reason we should keep i855-crt in universe, versus removing it entirely?
[20:29] <bryce> since we're not even shipping -i810 anymore I'm guessing it'd be useless in universe anyway
[20:29] <tseliot> tjaalton: very often do they use the command line and do things they shouldn't
[20:30] <tjaalton> bryce: no, ditch it. no changes upstream since May 2004
[20:30]  * tseliot > bbl
[20:34] <bryce> ok, lp #261259
[20:36] <bryce> hm, wonder if there's any other ancient X cruft that escaped our cleanup
[20:37] <tjaalton> maybe if there's a list of packages that are only in ubuntu. should be pretty easy to check
[20:38] <bryce> yeah was just trolling around for that.  anyone know if there is such a list?
[20:47] <kees> slangasek: if I change common-password, what do I need to do to the .md5sums file?
[20:48] <LaserJock> bryce: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/all.html#notinA
[20:51] <bryce> LaserJock: aha thanks
[20:54] <bryce> lotta kde stuff there...
[20:57] <ogra> we're ahead wrt KDE
[20:57] <bryce> "p0rn-comfort" ??
[20:58] <Riddell> debian isn't changing to KDE 4 until after their next release
[21:00] <Riddell> and today I discovered Mithrandir and a large proportion of Debian punting along the river Cam which is no way to get a release out of time :)
[21:00] <Riddell> s/of/on/
[21:01] <LaserJock> lol
[21:02] <bryce> ok, I didn't spot any additional X cruft in that list.  At least, nothing we don't already know about
[21:03] <kees> bryce: ... hunh.  that appears to either predate the original-maintainer stuff (and hasn't been updated since original upload) or has been long-since removed from Debian.
[21:05] <slangasek> kees: nothing at all \o/
[21:05] <kees> slangasek: I like the sound of that.  :)
[21:12] <kees> slangasek: should I renumber the current pam bzr to ubuntu5 (instead of 4.1) add my md5->sha512 change and upload the results, or is that change not something you want in intrepid?
[21:13] <slangasek> kees: er, yes, renumber to ubuntu5, sorry; as for uploading, I have more changes pending today
[21:13] <slangasek> kees: but I don't know of any reason we can't switch from md5 to sha512 for intrepid
[21:14] <slangasek> I'm relying on your judgement that this is better for security :)
[21:15] <kees> I'm just trying to think ahead for the next LTS.
[21:16] <kees> slangasek: I've committed my changes to bzr so you can roll them into your pending changes for the next upload.
[21:16] <slangasek> ok
[21:18] <slangasek> kees: oh, I guess I read what I wanted to above rather than what you said; yeah, we need to do something wrt the change to the common-password template, but the code's not there yet to do this, so you needn't worry about it anyway :)
[21:19] <slangasek> that'll push back the upload a bit, though; need to have that sorted before we go changing the template further
[21:20] <kees> slangasek: okay -- I have yet to really understand the per-package profile stuff you've made.  I've only poked around the edges so far.
[22:19] <mathiaz> slangasek: kees has run into an issue when installing slapd in non-interactive mode and a debconf level of critical - the admin password for cn=config is not generated
[22:20] <mathiaz> slangasek: kees suggested to use a random password for cn=config if debconf is unable to prompt for the password
[22:20] <slangasek> mathiaz: er, and then how will the user find out that password, or be able to change it?
[22:20] <mathiaz> slangasek: well - the other option is to not put a password
[22:21] <kees> slangasek: if the admin is crazy enough to have their debconf set that high, shouldn't it be their problem?  :)
[22:21] <slangasek> why is either of these options better than failing when using the noninteractive frontend? :)
[22:21] <kees> slangasek: because i can't automatically install slapd for testing in intrepid now.
[22:21] <slangasek> kees: preseeding?
[22:22] <kees> slangasek: I shouldn't have to know that in advance to have an installable package.
[22:22] <slangasek> I think leaving the system with no way to administer the config is some pretty bad foot-shooting
[22:22] <slangasek> you don't have to know that in advance unless you insist on using the non-interactive frontend
[22:22] <kees> I'm using the non-interactive frontend.  ;)
[22:22] <kees> there should be a viable default.
[22:23] <slangasek> there *isn't* a viable default
[22:23]  * kees holds his face
[22:23] <slangasek> the default you're proposing leaves the user without a viable server, because it can't be administered
[22:24] <kees> okay, so, prior to slapd installs, I just need to run "echo set slapd/internal/adminpw asdfasdf | debconf-communicate" ?
[22:24] <slangasek> yes
[22:24] <mathiaz> kees: well - you have to compute a proper string for slapd/internal/adminpw
[22:25] <slangasek> mathiaz: he should be able to set the cleartext question, instead?
[22:25] <slangasek> (which is the one I meant to say 'yes' to)
[22:25] <mathiaz> slangasek: yes -
[22:26] <mathiaz> kees: you can set the cleartext password with slapd/cfgpassword1 and slapd/cfgpassword2
[22:26] <mathiaz> kees: ^^ these are the ones for the cn=config password
[22:26] <kees> mathiaz: okay, well, I guess my main issue is I want to get the test-openldap.py regression test to pass again.  :)
[22:27] <mathiaz> kees: ok - so you'd probably have to add support for slapd.d/
[22:27] <mathiaz> kees: slapd.conf is no longer the default in intrepid
[22:28] <slangasek> well, slapd can be /made/ to run with slapd.conf, you just don't get any of the package management support then
[22:29] <kees> hrm, okay, well, I guess I will leave this alone for a bit -- I need to study a lot of openldap before I can dig in.  perhaps jdstrand will have some time to poke at it (he wrote the tests originally)
[22:29] <mathiaz> slangasek: on a related note, I've managed to build the nss overlay
[22:29] <mathiaz> slangasek: so I'm planning to ship the nss overlay in the slapd package directly
[22:30] <slangasek> sounds reasonable
[22:30] <jdstrand> I'd argue that people updating the package should be using the regression tests ;)
[22:30] <kees> jdstrand: I agree.  ;)
[22:30] <slangasek> then you'd better put them in the package instead of in an external repo... :)
[22:31] <kees> slangasek: it can't sanely run from a build-test
[22:31] <slangasek> hmm, why not?
[22:31] <jdstrand> slangasek: not really an option for these tests
[22:31] <jdstrand> generally, the qa-regression-testing scripts need external tools, install things in the default locations, etc
[22:31] <kees> slangasek: it requires many additional packages, and performs a full (destructive) test of many many ldap functions.
[22:32] <slangasek> additional packages --> Build-Depends
[22:32] <jdstrand> slangasek: they are not just tests for binaries, bbut entire package tests
[22:32] <slangasek> testing ldap functions -- upstream already has a test suite that does quite a bit of LDAP destruction :)
[22:32] <slangasek> but ok, if you want a full-package test, that doesn't help
[22:33] <jdstrand> slangasek: we change backends, sasl, and loads of other stuff
[22:33] <jdstrand> even added some kerberos stuff
[22:33] <slangasek> well, all that should be testable in a build tree
[22:33] <slangasek> hmm, maybe not kerberos :)
[22:34] <slangasek> but backend testing is already in the upstream testsuite
[22:34] <jdstrand> slangasek: perhaps, but I don't think the security team (who has been doing most of the work on these) has the resources to update the packages-- not to mention, adding the tests to intrepid's build doesn't help when we want to test on dapper
[22:35]  * slangasek nods
[22:36] <kees> well, basic stuff seems to work, so I've uploaded a new openldap with PIE enabled...
[22:37] <jdstrand> kees: what doesn't work anymore?
[22:37] <YokoZar> Hmm, I'm getting hangs at login now but it's NOT the snd_pcsp issue...something else
[22:37] <kees> jdstrand: test-openldap.py on intrepid
[22:37] <jdstrand> kees: right, I meant what tests fail?
[22:37] <kees> jdstrand: yes.  ;)
[22:37] <jdstrand> oh-- all of them
[22:37] <jdstrand> cool
[22:37] <kees> jdstrand: it can't even figure out where the daemons are.
[22:37] <jdstrand> nifty
[22:38] <kees> jdstrand: so I've relegated this to the "post-freeze bug fixing" part of my TODO list
[22:38] <jdstrand> I can say it was working the last time I touched it :)
[22:38] <jdstrand> but that was before all the cnconfig work
[22:38] <kees> right, that seems to be the "problem".
[22:39] <jdstrand> kees: oh, well yes-- if we are pure cnconfig, then all our on-the-fly slapd.conf will have to be migrated
[22:39] <jdstrand> (and I haven't done that either)
[22:39]  * kees nods
[22:39]  * jdstrand is finally up to speed
[22:40] <dupondje> mysql got broken in AMD64
[22:42] <mathiaz> dupondje: which bug are you refering to ?
[22:42] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/261066
[22:48] <dupondje> ok got it fixxed
[22:49] <dupondje> mysq-common 5.0.67 gets installed on AMD64 pc
[22:49] <dupondje> but the mysql-server & mysql-client are still old versions (because build failed ...)
[23:05] <kees> infinity: is this a result of the sbuild patch you made?
[23:05] <kees> linux-kernel-headers: installed (negative dependency) (bad version ~*=PROVIDED=*= <= 2.5.999-test7-bk-17)
[23:06] <kees> (while compiling dovecot)
[23:14] <kees> infinity: hrm, I guess not.


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[22:21] <FloodBot1> geosn: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
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[22:21] <code0ps1> Is the Unicode ]^]13 to esc]225 acceptable.
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> TheWonderingGuru: can you give a pastebin of the output of:  sudo apt-get update; lsb_release -a
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> TheWonderingGuru: http://pastie.org
[22:24] <leadline> Hi guys I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to recognize my second monitor
[22:24] <leadline> it doesn't show up in the system panel but it shows up in the nvidia control panel
[22:25] <TheWonderingGuru> It just ran through a bunch of code, out of all that information do you want all of the ppas that were listed?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> leadline: if you set the res of the extra monitor does it come to life?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> TheWonderingGuru: the full text please, use the pastebin. Thanks
[22:27] <leadline> ActionParsnip, set it where? in the Nvidia X server settings?
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> leadline: yes
[22:27] <TheWonderingGuru> http://pastebin.com/UHmJ8uJ9
[22:28] <athan> hi
[22:28] <leadline> ActionParsnip, the Apply button is greyed out
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> leadline: then try:  gksudo nvidia-settings
[22:29] <code0ps1> Is Ubuntu 10.10 stable enough to go to LS, support for over 1 year?
[22:30] <TheWonderingGuru> Did that help actionparsnip?
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> TheWonderingGuru: run: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> code0ps1: maverick is no longer supported
[22:30] <code0ps1> Thank you.
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[22:30] <FloodBot1> geosn: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:31] <genii-around> !rmv geosn
[22:31] <leadline> ActionParsnip, both displays are set to "disabled" when I look at the display configuration. Enabling them requires a restart. Where should I save the x configuration file to?
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> leadline: the default will go to /etc/X11 afaik
[22:32] <nasa01> Hi W4sp, as promised - I added the requested info to a pastebin page and asked a question on this here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/205302
[22:32] <linxon634> hello all
[22:33] <leadline> brb
[22:33] <TheWonderingGuru> So doing this will remove the ubuntu-studio desktop?
[22:33] <linxon634> )
[22:33] <linxon634> i from Russia
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> TheWonderingGuru: shouldn't do
[22:33] <linxon634> and you?
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> linxon634: do you have a support question?
[22:36] <leadline> ActionParsnip, I've got it sorted now. Thanks!
[22:39] <linxon634> ActionParsnip: no... thanks )
[22:40] <stueng> ok, let me try this question a different way: What is an installable distribution image ?
[22:40] <stueng> and where do I find it
[22:40] <TheWonderingGuru> Ok....well....I think that I may have removed ubuntu studio desktop from my computer and switched to xubuntu desktop, because I did it in synaptic.
[22:40] <TheWonderingGuru> Im just going to back everything up just incase
[22:41] <linxon634> xubuntu....
[22:41] <linxon634> xfce?
[22:43] <turntechTerminal> What are going to be the major changes in release 12.10?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> turntechTerminal: ask in #ubuntu+1 for 12.10
[22:52] <blake> The application switcher scrolls down really slow...is there an easy fix for this? Ubuntu 12.04
[22:55] <Guest56375> blake, what do you mean? What GPU do you have (lspci | grep "VGA")
[22:56] <Guest56375> What Ubuntu 12.04 uses? GTK3?
[22:57] <Pulsar5271> What should I try if I can't get a 12.04LTS USB stick to boot?  It freezes on kernel messages after detecting the USB and ATA drives...
[22:58] <Guest56375> Pulsar5271, maybe your computer doesn't meet the minimal requirements? Try the alternate cd
[22:59] <Pulsar5271> It should.  It's a recent system, not a PS/2 or anything.  But I'll give the alternate image a shot, I guess.
[23:00] <Guest56375> Then probably there is something wrong with Xorg. What GPU do you use, Pulsar5271 ?
[23:00] <sambagirl> is anyone runnign opencart in ubuntu?
[23:00] <Pulsar5271> it's an nVidia GTX 580 448-core
[23:00] <Pulsar5271> i think those are the right numbers :D
[23:01] <Pulsar5271> nope, devmgmt says 560.
[23:01] <Guest56375> Pulsar5271, quick google showed that nouveau (opensource nvidia drivers) hang up with gtx 580: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/990411. Your best bet is to use the alternative cd and then from terminal install nvidia propertary drivers
[23:04] <Pulsar5271> aha.
[23:04] <Pulsar5271> grabbing the alternate image now, we'll see how that goes.  thanks :D
[23:14] <shiro> i am having trouble with lvm
[23:14] <shiro>   PV /dev/sda4   VG storage   lvm2 [2.46 TiB / 6.26 GiB free]
[23:14] <Supermicro> which is the last kernel i should update to 12.04 lts (current one is 3.2 default)?
[23:15] <shiro> i cant get that device to resize to full ount
[23:15] <caixa> anyone here ever use mini ubuntu
[23:15] <MonkeyDust> Supermicro  3.2.0-27
[23:16] <shiro> any ideas on where to ask?
[23:17] <zykotick9> caixa: do you mean "use the mini install"?  if so, yes... what is the question?
[23:17] <jilebedev> Hi - what does the "system load" of the ssh motd refer to? What does it measure? Where can I get more details on it?
[23:17] <zykotick9> jilebedev: load is CPU usage - load 1 = 100% cpu usage...
[23:17] <caixa> zykotick9, was referring to this - http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/
[23:18] <Supermicro> MonkeyDust: What about 3.4 precise or 3.5 quantal? i'm new to ubuntu and linux in general and atm i have some issues with fan not working properly and also a significant increase in heating compared to win 7
[23:19] <samfisher> hi. i have a ATI Technologies Inc Device 9806 notebook video card and instal
[23:19] <digitalirony> question
[23:20] <zykotick9> jilebedev: i've currently doing a bunch of encoding, and my load is 9.89 (so if i have 10 identical systems, they would all be at 100% cpu usage)
[23:20] <digitalirony> /usr/share/desktop-directories/Office.directory: Icon=applications-office
[23:20] <digitalirony> where is that Icon actually located
[23:20] <digitalirony> what format is it in
[23:20] <digitalirony> where is this documented?
[23:20] <jilebedev> sykotick9: so ... does your machine have 10 chips or 10 cores? Or am I misunderstanding?
[23:21] <jilebedev> s/^s/z/
[23:21] <zykotick9> !tab | jilebedev
[23:21] <jilebedev> oooh, fancy. thank you.
[23:21] <zykotick9> jilebedev: you're misunderstanding.  load is very handy measurement of cpu usage (as cpu usage, as a percent, is actually a measure of time - as a cpu can only be 0 or 1)
[23:22] <zykotick9> jilebedev: if i had 10 core, by current load would be 1
[23:24] <WallFace> To just watch movies on netflix, is it not possible without Wine?
[23:24] <digitalirony> nevermind
[23:24] <jilebedev> zykotick9: reading up on systemload right now. thanks for attempting to dispel my newblet ignorance.
[23:24] <samfisher> hi. i have an ATI Technologies Inc Device 9806 (lspci -v) notebook vide card. I installed AMD Catalyst drivers but when i do aticonfig i get "no supported devices". I need to use KDE effects and w/o drivers they're very slow
[23:24] <digitalirony> that alacarte is soooooo stupid and unintutive
[23:24] <digitalirony> laters
[23:25] <Devvie> Hi, can anyone help me with a HardDrive problem?
[23:26] <WallFace>  To just watch movies on netflix, is it not possible without Wine?
[23:26] <joseph-soares> hi. I'm running python django on port 8000. How can I do anybody to access my comp like : MY_IP_MACHINE:8000
[23:29] <pedrocr> I can't seem to get unattended-upgrades to accept packages from http://apt.puppetlabs.com/dists/lucid/Release
[23:29] <calzifer> hi, how can i set up, that lightdm does load xinitrc after login?
[23:30] <pedrocr> the Release file doesn't have a "Suite:" line and I can't get an Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins line to match it
[23:30] <pedrocr> anyone know where to get an actual long-form documentation of Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins?
[23:32] <savage> how do i switch to a different file system in terminal?
[23:32] <savage> it is already mounted*
[23:32] <zykotick9> savage: cd
[23:33] <Jarrox26> Does ubuntu have a mascot ?
[23:33] <savage> zykotick9, i tried that
[23:33] <Blue1> Jarrox26: mark shuttleworth
[23:34] <zykotick9> savage: so either it's not mounted, or you aren't cding to the correct directory...
[23:34] <genii-around> bazhang is the unofficial mascot!
[23:34] <Jarrox26> Blue1: hahaha Mark Shuttleworth is not a fluffy animal :)
[23:34] <savage> do i cd from the root directory or is it in the dev folder?
[23:35] <calzifer> savage: check if your filesystem is really mounted "df -h"
[23:36] <savage> calzifer, zykotik9: i see now it is in the media folder thx for the df -h calzifer!
[23:36] <rustler770> Dr. Willis: tried to make startup for laptop, my Asus laptop won't configure to boot from USB or SD card.
[23:38] <Devvie> I'm having trouble with a hard-drive, have finally managed to boot up systemrescuecd but not sure how to go about recovering it now - any suggestions or where should I look for help? :x
[23:38] <calzifer> Devvie: what do you want to recover?
[23:38] <Sarouwoman> are you guys all working at the moment?
[23:39] <Devvie> calzifer: As much as I can, or at the very least my Ubuntu-wubi install so I can get my passwords and files back. :x
[23:39] <bazhang> Sarouwoman, ubuntu support question?
[23:40] <Sarouwoman> didn't know that actually.. i just log on.. for the first time.. i was wondering what all the chanel were about
[23:40] <calzifer> Devvie: i'm new to ubuntu (i used several different distr.) but i think you want to backup your /home/dvvie (example) folder
[23:40] <bazhang> Sarouwoman, ubuntu support. chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:41] <rustler770> anybody know the bios path for USB and/or SD Card to configure for booting?
[23:42] <calzifer> Devvie: whats your problem with your current ubuntu installation on your disk?
[23:42] <Sarouwoman> ok ..
[23:42] <Devvie> calzifer: The problem isn't with the installation itself, the disk has just become unopenable, and I'm trying to recover its data somehow.
[23:43] <calzifer> Devvie: is your home directory encrypted?
[23:43] <Devvie> calzifer: It doesn't even get to the OS-selection screen, just errors out and asks me to press CtrlAltDel to reboot. And it's not encrypted as far as I know.
[23:43] <ayi> bsr j'ai un probleme courant sur ubuntu 12.04LTS
[23:43] <zykotick9> !fr | ayi
[23:43] <elijah> I am having issues with my keyring not working. Is gnome-keyring the process I need to debug? Is there anything below that in the stack?
[23:43] <bazhang> ayi #ubuntu-fr for French please
[23:44] <mikehaas763> After re-installing ubuntu 12.04 because I changed my MOBO/Processor, the volume keys and middle scroll button click on my logitech mx 5500 no longer do anything. I was wondering if there is some way to see raw inputs from the devices? so I can at least see if ubuntu is even getting a signal from them?
[23:44] <calzifer> Devvie: mount for example a ubuntu-live-cd and check if you can access your hdd. if its possible, backup your /home/ folder to a different place, like a second hdd or usb-device
[23:44] <calzifer> !de calzifer
[23:44] <zykotick9> calzifer: livecd seeing a wubi install seems unlikely...
[23:45] <Devvie> calzifer: I tried accessing it with Linux Mint earlier, but it gave me "exit code 2" when trying to mount.
[23:45] <elijah> If I right click my passwords file in seahorse and "unlock" nothing happens. I also get logged out of Ubuntu One a lot. And sometimes when I SSH using key files it never prompts for a password and just hangs. I need to troubleshoot this issue, it has been getting worse, it is sporadic.
[23:45] <elijah> I am suspecting it is gnome-keyring but am not sure.
[23:45] <calzifer> zykotick9: ok, didnt know that, because i never used wubi. i thought it creates a second partition etc...like a normal install
[23:45] <zykotick9> calzifer: nope, wubi is inside windows...
[23:46] <calzifer> zykotick9: do you know where it install its stuff?
[23:46] <zykotick9> calzifer: ya - inside a file on the windows parition
[23:47] <calzifer> zykotick9: let me guess, the file is not openable...
[23:47] <calzifer> Devvie: do you know where you installed your wubi exactly?
[23:47] <zykotick9> calzifer: i doubt it - but don't "know"
[23:47] <Devvie> calzifer: Hm, probably in C:\ubuntu\ I think, not sure though. And just being able to copy the file itself would be great.
[23:49] <calzifer> Devvie: read the part "How can I make a backup of my Wubi install?" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide/
[23:49] <Devvie> calzifer: Okay, thanks. I'll see if that helps, but I'm afraid I'll still have problems mounting my hard drive.
[23:50] <calzifer> Devvie: and backup wubildr.mbr wubildr wubildr.cfg
[23:51] <Devvie> calzifer: Thanks. I'll see if I can.
[23:51] <calzifer> how can i make lightdm load my xinitrc after successfull login?
[23:52] <zykotick9> calzifer: isn't xinitrc for "startx" only?
[23:52] <daslinkard> <---- Trying to get the flash to work on pbskids.org for my girls but cannot get the missing plug-in....I can watch videos on Youtube but cannot get flash games to load...can anyone help?
[23:52] <calzifer> daslinkard: which browser are you using?
[23:53] <daslinkard> FF
[23:53] <calzifer> zykotick9: ok, i'll try the .*profile thing
[23:53] <notdan> Hi! I am planning on migrating from Wubi to normal install and I was wondering if I can create partions for my installation from Wubi, using gparted
[23:54] <notdan> or I'll need some sort of livecd for this?
[23:54] <viper474> daslizard: just do this in the terminal (sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras) inside the parenthesis
[23:54] <viper474> should sold your problem
[23:54] <viper474> solve*
[23:55] <daslinkard> viper474: It says that ubuntu-restricted-extras is the newest
[23:55] <viper474> hmm, which game then?
[23:56] <daslinkard> viper474: just launching pbskids.org there is a flash plug-in with the games
[23:56] <daslinkard> it's showing on one pc but not the other
[23:56] <calzifer> daslinkard: install flashplugin-installer
[23:57] <calzifer> daslinkard: i cant test it, because the games are limited to USA
[23:57] <daslinkard> calzifer: Should I reboot the PC after the install?
[23:57] <viper474> can you give me a specific game, because I could play one
[23:57] <calzifer> daslinkard: just restart FF
[23:57] <daslinkard> k, will be right back on
[23:58] <calzifer> i should change from xmonad to awesome, i cant get xsession working with lightdm -.-'
[23:58] <calzifer> i mean xinitrc
[23:58] <calzifer> daslinkard: and?
[23:58] <daslinkard> I have a blank green page on the site
[23:59] <daslinkard> and down at the bottom says for grown ups
[23:59] <calzifer> daslinkard: do you have a flashplugin-blocker?
[23:59] <daslinkard> Not that I'm aware of
[23:59] <viper474> daslizard: maybe try deleting your cache on ff
[23:59] <Devvie> Hey, I finally got a readable warning on my HD. "MFT is corrupt, cannot read its unmapped extent record 17"


[00:42] <phillw> Hi, whilst not 100% kernel, when we do test (or are asked to test) we often need a kernel and a build.. So, https://launchpad.net/~jsalisbury have you any idea why kernel team can build ISO's and https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-cd/+question/240037 gets closed?
[00:45] <phillw> Oh, and please do not think that is me being harsh, Joe is a complete and utter star for the work he did for the zram issue in such short time.
[02:31] <rsalveti> apw: you published the meta package for saucy (linux-mako, ppa), mind copying it for trusty as well?
[07:36] <ppisati> hallo
[08:37] <smb> ppisati, Gudda morga
[09:03] <apw> rsalveti, bah... will do
[09:05] <apw> phillw, that question gets closed by the launchpad autocloser cause noone did anything with it in 15 days, that seems to be a "feature" of questions; building CDs is a complex process and has changed in the last cycles to match upstream supported tooling.  as far as i know the appropriate tooling does exist in published repos, but it is slightly outside the normal archive system so some of it may not
[09:05] <apw> be at all obvious
[09:06] <apw> phillw, as for what joe did, most likely what he did was sub in a replacement kernle into an existing CD which with a lot of playing can be done in a "dirty" way, but you would have to ask him.
[09:07] <apw> phillw, it is unlikely he is mastering a cd the way the main builders do, as they have dedicated kit to do so currently
[09:09] <apw> phillw, all of that said, you are likely to find more authorative answers from the installer team
[09:13] <brendand> does anyone know why the -proposed kernels haven't been copied yet even though they've been ready since friday?
[09:22] <apw> i believe there is a delay in the point release which is in the way, but i would not like to claim to be cirtain
[09:27] <smb> apw, I think that is exactly what bjf was saying in yesterday's kernel-team irc meeting
[09:30] <apw> smb, ahh yes there was "Holding" all over the place
[09:30] <apw> smb, though i blinked and missed it with the meeting
[09:31] <smb> apw, True, the email Joe sends out is more reliable as a data source
[09:33] <smb> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2014-January/037696.html
[09:36] <apw> brendand, ahh there it is: "We are in a holding pattern waiting to see if any regressions show up that would cause us to respin before the 12.04.4 release goes out."
[09:38] <brendand> apw - okay - but the kernels aren't in -proposed so how will regressions be detected?
[09:39] <apw> brendand, that refers to the previous kernels which are in -proposed/-updates; though technically it presumably only means that for precise
[09:40] <apw> though i guess that is actually saucy as well as we're using the lts kerenl on the cd
[09:40] <apw> this is about leaving a window where we can pick up whats in the -updates pocket and rev that separatly from what we are staging for the next cycle
[10:04] <cking> oops, rebooted the wrong machine
[10:10] <apw> cking, that is an oops ... especially when it has been running that test for 3 days
[10:11] <cking> unfortunately the ssh session I was in exited and thus I didn't reboot the machine I intended to reboot
[10:12] <apw> cking, i hate that when it happens
[10:12] <apw> as you always notice after you have asked your fiinger to press return but before it has done so, but there is no stopping it
[10:13]  * cking wonders why ACPICA always gets released the day before fwts is, I can never get these in sync
[10:39] <apw> cking, you need an entire cycle to get apica working again anyhow
[10:40] <apw> it always has new 'features'
[10:40] <cking> well, a bunch of fixes, so it's new and shiny and good ;-)
[10:42] <apw> yeah but out of sync with the releases is probabally good, so you have time to adapt :)
[10:42] <cking> cadence cadence cadence
[12:49] <smb> apw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1269401
[12:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1269401 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Trusty] Switching framebuffers fails on VMs using cirrus" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:48] <rtg> apw, suspend stopped working on my Lenovo within the last couple of uploads. I'm gonna have to spend part of the day figuring that out lest it drive me nuts.
[14:24] <cking> rtg, is that suspend or resume?
[14:26] <rtg> cking, it is suspend, but now its working with -rc8. oh well.
[14:29] <henrix> rtg: looks like you forgot to apply my last patch to the Lucid kernel
[14:30] <rtg> henrix, uh, wich one ?
[14:31] <henrix> rtg: b4789b8e6be3151a955ade74872822f30e8cd914 ("[Lucid][LTS-Raring][CVE-2013-6380] aacraid: prevent invalid pointer dereference")
[14:31] <rtg> henrix, right, sorry.
[14:31] <henrix> rtg: np ;)
[14:33] <rtg> henrix, done
[14:34] <henrix> rtg: ack, thanks
[14:42] <apw> henrix, if these stables exist is there anything which prevents them being applied to master-next btw ?
[14:43] <henrix> apw: not sure i understand what you mean... are you talking about the CVEs fixes?
[14:44] <apw> henrix, no i was thnking about this fix which i proposed and is coming down from stables in fact
[14:44] <apw> or have the stables themselves not yet released with that in
[14:44] <apw> as i looked for the commit on master-next on the assumption if they were in stable they weould be on ther
[14:44] <apw> e
[14:45] <henrix> apw: ah, right :) no, the fix can be applied.  bjf (or sconklin) will handle that when merging the stable trees into the ubuntu kernels
[14:45] <henrix> apw: i believe there are scripts to handle that
[14:45] <apw> henrix, i don't need to apply it cause i know the sta
[14:46] <apw> stables will apply it in the next window anyhow, i was more trying to work out what triggers stable to be applied
[14:46] <henrix> apw: there are several sources. the primary source are the commits tagged for stable
[14:47] <henrix> apw: then, for network-related patches, davem explicitly sends requests to the stable mailing list (there are no network commits tagged for stable!)
[14:47] <henrix> apw: this also applies for sparc patches
[14:48] <rtg> apw, if you apply it, then you can also jam a bug number in the commit log
[14:48] <henrix> apw: and then... there's stable mailing list.  people keep sending requests for stable inclusion (CVE fixes, fixes that missed the stable tag, etc)
[14:57] <brendand> bjf, hi
[14:58] <brendand> bjf, can you clarify when the kernels are going to be pushed to -proposed? i understand you're holding them because of 12.04.4
[15:18] <rtg> henrix, please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268780 - that commit looks like a candidate for 3.11 stable
[15:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1268780 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please backport the "libata.force disable" patch to 13.10 kernel" [Medium,Triaged]
[15:19] <henrix> rtg: looking
[15:19] <rtg> henrix, ah, nm. you are already on it
[15:19] <henrix> rtg: yep :)
[15:27] <BenC> apw: Working through a few build errors (mostly missing include for of_address stuff that got moved)
[15:39] <apw> BenC, sounds promising
[16:01] <brendand> bjf, around?
[16:01] <bjf> brendand, just
[16:02] <bjf> brendand, well.. no i can't actually. we have not found any regression at this point that would cause a respin so i don't think it will be much longer.
[16:03] <bjf> brendand, and yes i know this messes with everyone's schedule.. we'll just be flexible about it and when the next cycle starts
[16:04] <brendand> bjf, by the end of the week?
[16:05] <bjf> brendand, probably next week
[16:05] <brendand> bjf, ok
[16:06] <brendand> bjf, are all of them being held to the same extent? i would have thought you'd just be concerned with the saucy kernel
[16:08] <bjf> brendand, yeah, we're holding them all right now . we could just hold saucy but we like to maintain a single sru cycle that has them all. if we do them individually it could get more messy schedule wise. (which one am i doing this week)
[16:08] <brendand> bjf, makes sense
[16:09] <bjf> brendand, honestly, we should have just skipped this entire cycle
[16:09] <bjf> brendand, i sort of screwed this up
[16:25] <rtg> cking, have you had any luck reproducing the 3.13 performance issues on tangerine ?
[16:26] <cking> rtg, I'm still gathering data on some other kit at the mo to get an idea
[16:26] <rtg> cking, cool
[16:26] <cking> it does involve a load of builds to get some idea what's going on
[16:26] <rtg> yup
[16:28] <cking> rtg, perhaps we should also cull a load of unused files on the device just for the sake of cleaning up the drive anyhow
[16:29] <rtg> cking, on tangerine ?
[16:29] <cking> yup
[16:29] <rtg> I do periodically hassle folks. is it full again ?
[16:29] <cking> 75% or so, so its not too bad
[16:30] <cking> rtg, anyhow, I'm still gathering data on some boxes, I may get an idea tomorrow once I've collated the results
[16:30] <rtg> cking, I generally don't start to worry until 95% or so. do you think a 75% full file system will have an impact ?
[16:31] <cking> rtg, most probably not the issues you see
[16:32] <rtg> cking, shall I update the kernel to 3.13-rc8 ? 3.13.0-3
[16:32] <cking> rtg, well, it's another data point I guess
[16:32] <BenC> apw: I think I've fixed them all...letting all 5 builds go before claiming victory
[16:32] <rtg> cking, didn't want to mess with your results or testing
[16:33] <cking> rtg, how about tomorrow, I want to get a spin on it tomorrow morning when it's quiet
[16:33] <rtg> cking, np
[17:19] <lamont> I have a machine booting (root is an lv on swraid1) that keeps telling me "WARNING: Thereappears to be one or more degraded RAID devices", spews mdstat showing the rcovery in progress (eta 137 min), says that it's starting it, complains that CREATE {user_root,group_disk} not found, says that it started the RAID in degraded mode, and then pauses for several seconds and repeats.
[17:20] <lamont> is that the "don't boot with degraded RAID" crap, or something else, I wonder?
[17:22] <rtg> smb, ^^
[17:22] <apw> smb, ^^ ... oh heh
[18:20]  * apw relocates
[19:28] <smb> lamont, Donboot would drop into busybox shell imo (not that I had that case)
[19:29] <lamont> ok. sigh
[19:30] <smb> lamont, But maybe it is actually what you say.
[19:30] <lamont> it`s also possibly me..
[19:31] <lamont> I don't remember if I rebooted after I did all my shenanigans to partition the new drive and add it to the raid1s
[19:32] <lamont> another 45 min or so, and I can see where I'm at... if this is really hating me, are you around then for me to pester with mdadm questions, or am I reading source/
[19:32] <lamont> ?
[19:32] <smb> Can you get the actual /proc/mdstat output
[19:33] <lamont> it's on the screen in front of me
[19:33] <lamont> recovery = 87.1%.... finish=36.6
[19:33] <lamont> min
[19:33] <smb> lamont, Well I could try to be around if you get my attention then
[19:33] <lamont> ta
[19:33] <lamont> hopefully it'll just be to tell you that all is better
[19:34] <smb> Heh, one always can hope
[19:36]  * smb hope to get enlightened meanwhile what d-i option finally causes the partitions to be re-done with the preseed
[20:23] <lamont> smb: it was either me, or strange...  fixed by: lvm vgscan; lvm lvdisplay -C (root not active); lvm lvchange -a y ${ROOTlv}
[20:26] <smb> lamont, quite weird. cannot remember ever having to activate an lv manually
[20:27] <lamont> smb: I deactivated it manually after I chrooted into it to fdisk the new drive
[20:27] <lamont> hence "lamont" is the most likely root cause here
[20:29] <smb> Sounds like deep surgery . A bit more than I usually do for my "servers" which actually only serve one person
[20:33] <lamont> well... it was being... difficult
[20:34] <lamont> note to self: do not have the ilo(equivalent) on your dhcp server use dhcp to get an address. :/
[22:25] <sforshee> hallyn: is ns_capable(&init_user_ns, CAP_SYS_ADMIN) equivalent to capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN)?
[22:35] <hallyn> sforshee: hes
[22:35] <hallyn> yes
[22:36] <sforshee> hallyn: thanks


[01:05] <Lns> Does the local (Edubuntu-side) NIC need to have itself as a default gateway?
[01:06] <Lns> I'm trying to figure out why whenever my 2-nic edubuntu reboots, I have to ifdown/ifup eth0 (inet side) to get TCs to route to the internet


[22:09] <leezer3_> Asking here as well; I appear to have become the upstream maintainer for a program that's in the Ubuntu/ Debian repos. I'd like to submit a patch for a couple of critical bugs, and also explore with the current Ubuntu maintainer the possibility of getting the current version pushed
[22:10] <leezer3_> i've tried getting the current maintainer through chat, but whilst i've had one email from him, mine don't seem to be being seen or replied to.....
[22:10] <leezer3_> kinda stuck :(


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