[00:21] <deego> if I run a script without a shebang, the whole system hangs for 5 minutes. happens on debian, ubuntu, everywhere (xfce).
[00:24] <Tempter> lol
[00:24] <Tempter> maybe its searching
[00:24] <Tempter> for the right shell
[00:24] <Tempter> and you got a lot of blobs
[00:26] <deego> how do we disable this feature?
[00:27] <Tempter> deego: im trying find a way to just import the entire 'blob' that is Ubuntu into a python script so i can do w/e I want with it
[00:27] <Tempter> but nobody has any straight answers lol
[00:27] <Tempter> would be cool if you could just set properties on an object like disable certain shit
[00:27] <Tempter> like this
[00:28] <Tempter> and then use the rest
[00:28] <Tempter> its absurd to me this doesnt exist in 2027
[00:32] <jhutchins> You can't run DEC VMS in python either.    A better understanding of what system layers make up your platform would probably improve your code a LOT.
[00:34] <Tempter> jhutchins: yeah, but im a genius and an inventor, ill make it happen
[00:34] <jhutchins> Python is mostly OS indepenent.  It runs on either Windows or Linux, but Linux doesn't run on Windows (not even WSL).
[00:35] <jhutchins> deego: You disable this by including the hashbang.  It's there for a reason.
[00:36] <Tempter> I'm sick of hearing, 'we Linux doesnt run on Windows' or 'you cant import Linux functionality without WSL or installing the entire OS or using Docker'
[00:36] <Tempter> it's 2027 ffs, it's time someone recognize the problem and creates the bridge software that solves this problem once and for all
[00:37] <Tempter> we have the technology
[00:37] <ravage> Back to the future we go
[00:38] <jhutchins> Tempter: Seriously, you need a better understanding of what an operating system is and what it does.  Operating systems are not written in Python.  Python requires an operating system to run on.
[00:38] <Tempter> jhutchins: yeah, im going to change that.
[00:38] <ravage> anyway. if you dont have an Ubuntu specific support question fee free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[00:38] <Tempter> I'll free you all
[00:38] <Tempter> from this hell
[00:38] <jhutchins> You can't run a bash shell on bare metal any more than you can run python on bare metal.
[00:40] <Tempter> I don't care if I have to invest my own money, im gonna solve this
[00:41] <Tempter> im on it
[00:42] <deego> jhutchins: the entire system hanging for one missing shebang is not a feature
[00:45] <jhutchins> deego: What do you suppose the system is doing then?  What does your script NOT do when it doesn't have the right shell, but does just fine if it does have it?
[03:44] <benl90> join #csharp
[03:44] <benl90> oops, sorry
[03:57] <root> hello
[04:18] <mitsubachi> I'm having some problems with lunar's switch to pipewire for audio... specifically bluetooth headphones/headset switching...
[04:19] <mitsubachi> pipewire seems to be on a 15 day release cycle or so, but the latest version I can get from anywhere in ubuntu is from january
[04:19] <mitsubachi> is anyone aware of a ppa or any plans to ship something newer?
[04:24] <bkovacs7> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pipewire-debian/pipewire-upstream
[04:24] <mitsubachi> yeah, I did that
[04:24] <mitsubachi> no lunar
[04:24] <mitsubachi> no mantic
[04:25] <mitsubachi> I also can't figure out who "Utopia Maintenance Team" is
[04:27] <bkovacs7> you may have to wait a bit for lunar to be added to ppa
[04:27] <Unit193> That's the GNOME packaging team.
[07:27] <v0lZy> hi
[07:27] <matsaman> hi v0
[07:28] <v0lZy> every time I look away for a while and then look back, Ubuntu seems to somehow get worse ...^^
[07:28] <matsaman> Debian
[07:28] <matsaman> get some
[07:28] <v0lZy> I have a fresh 22.04 server install... and I'm trying to fix cockpit ... its not showing LVM options ... I found somewhere that it needs a udisks2-lvm package
[07:29] <v0lZy> apt-cache search udisks2 shows the udisks2-vlm package, but when doing apt-get install udisks2-lvm, it says it cant find it.
[07:29] <matsaman> cockpit, is that in the standard repos?
[07:29] <v0lZy> I didnt have to modify any repos.
[07:30] <matsaman> in universe I guess
[07:31] <matsaman> "Universe - Community-maintained free and open-source software."
[07:31] <matsaman> GUI admins for servers don't usually get much support. They tend to die fast, be insecure, hard to setup remotely safely, etc.
[07:31] <matsaman> get much support on any distro
[07:31] <matsaman> although I suppose if you pay for RHEL...
[07:31] <v0lZy> cockpit I think is pretty official RHEL...
[07:32] <matsaman> yeah but RHEL isn't any other distro, it's only RHEL
[07:33] <matsaman> anyway I do see it in Debian's ordinary repos
[07:33] <matsaman> but not in Ubuntu's, in Arch's, in Gentoo's
[07:33] <matsaman> surprised Debian has it
[07:35] <v0lZy> I dont know, I think they release for ubuntu
[07:35] <v0lZy> anyway, issue is more installation of udisks2-lvm and ubuntu not finidng the package (even though apt-cache shows it)
[07:36] <matsaman> it's not in Ubuntu's non-community repos, so Ubuntu doesn't really support it that much
[07:36] <matsaman> v0lZy: so what's the error again?
[07:37] <v0lZy> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=udisks2-lvm&searchon=names
[07:37] <v0lZy> Says is unable to locate the package udisks2-lvm
[07:37] <v0lZy> jammy (22.04LTS) (admin): LVM2 support for udisks2 [universe]
[07:38] <v0lZy> I is universe not default added as a repo?
[07:39] <matsaman> v0lZy: on a fresh install, I don't think it is
[07:39] <matsaman> but universe is where you'd be getting cockpit from also
[07:39] <matsaman> unless you did something silly
[07:39] <matsaman> like going to the cockpit homepage and downloading a .deb or something
[07:42] <v0lZy> No
[07:44] <v0lZy> I think i chose cockpit ad installation of distro..
[07:46] <matsaman> hrmm?
[07:46] <v0lZy> i can't see reference to it in my bash history
[07:46] <v0lZy> ah no
[07:46] <v0lZy> never mind
[07:46] <v0lZy> I just did sudo apt-get install cockpit
[07:48] <v0lZy> apt-cache search udisks2-lvm shows it... I was able to install apt-get install cockpit ... and both are supposedly in universe, but when I do apt-get instlal udisks2-lvm, its not found?
[07:49] <matsaman> v0lZy: done an apt-get update recently?
[07:50] <v0lZy> yes
[07:50] <v0lZy> btw, my sources.list:
[07:50] <v0lZy> https://pastebin.com/YM7akfLe
[07:51] <v0lZy> I did an apt-get update ... just moment ago
[07:52] <matsaman> you could try downloading the package itself from packages.ubuntu.com and seeing what dpkg -i says about it
[07:52]  * matsaman shrugs
[07:52] <v0lZy> possible the repo I'm trying to grab it from doesnt have it?
[07:58] <v0lZy> I added deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy main universe to my sources.list
[07:58] <v0lZy> i did an apt update ...
[07:58] <v0lZy> and still, can't find it.
[07:58] <v0lZy> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/amd64/udisks2-lvm2/download
[08:02] <matsaman> http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/udisks2/udisks2-lvm2_2.9.4-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[08:02] <v0lZy> But shouldnt it be able to see it if I added http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu to my sources.list?
[08:02] <matsaman> probably
[08:03] <matsaman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/378558/unable-to-locate-package-while-trying-to-install-packages-with-apt
[08:04] <mihai_> hey
[08:06] <v0lZy> matsaman: I'm suspecious of this package manager now
[08:08] <v0lZy> Isystem is updated, upgraded ... new install
[08:08] <v0lZy> This should nto be happening ... gives off a vibe like theres too many people and not enough coordination on Ubuntu
[08:23] <v0lZy> I know I can download it direct... but thats along the line sof getting it work and not caring about how.
[08:41] <ogra> v0lZy, the package name is udisks2-lvm2 not udisks2-lvm
[08:41] <ogra> (and universe is enabled by default on all fresh ubuntu installs since 2010 or 2012, so you should already have it, i'd remove the duplicate entry to avid apt error messages on apt update)
[08:42] <ogra> *avoid
[08:44] <v0lZy> yeah, ust noticed
[08:44] <v0lZy> just noticed*
[08:44] <v0lZy> thanks
[08:45] <v0lZy> and yes, that fixes cockpit now ... can add lvm with it.
[08:47] <guest-vvLX41> https://www.edureka.co/blog/self-in-python/
[08:47] <guest-vvLX41> https://www.edureka.co/blog/self-in-python/
[08:51] <PaulFertser> Hi. Why does https://packages.ubuntu.com/ show "lunar (23.04LTS)" even though it's apparently not an LTS release?
[09:04] <ogra> PaulFertser, scroll to the very bottom of the page ... there is a "report a bug" link ... packages.u.c is maintained by a community person, not by canonical
[09:14] <PaulFertser> ogra: hi there :) if it's indeed a bug can you please report it for me, I do not have an account there please?
[09:17] <PaulFertser> ogra: I'm not using my ac100 anymore, fried the internal USB hub by ESD :(
[09:20] <webchat23> Hi
[09:21] <matsaman> hi
[09:24] <webchat23> May anybody help me with my read-only usb stick to format it? I only can mount it with the option 'noload' than it's read-only, it has no switch for 'read/write' , I can't dd the /dev/sdX, and with hdparm -r0 /dev/sdX I have no success, it's a kingston128gb stick, what's wrong with the stick? Is there a possibility to hardware reset? Even on win I
[09:24] <webchat23> can't remove the partion with diskpart...
[09:25] <webchat23> It just stuck in read-only (kingston128gb)
[09:28] <alkisg> webchat23: this probably means it's been damaged and it switched to read only to allow you to salvage the data before you throw it away
[09:28] <alkisg> If it's within the guarantee period, send it back for a replacement
[09:28] <PaulFertser> webchat23: what does dmesg say when you insert it?
[09:29] <matsaman> webchat23: what dd command did you try?
[09:29] <webchat23> It's recognized by dmesg
[09:29] <PaulFertser> webchat23: it might be locked up internally, yes. So either send for warranty or use an internal controller vendor specific tool (usually requires windows) to "reformat".
[09:29] <PaulFertser> webchat23: but does dmesg say it's read-only?
[09:29] <webchat23> I can mount with 'mount -o noload /dev/sdX mountpoint'
[09:30] <webchat23> I'll try to use a tool called 'MPTool'... Maybe that helps?
[09:31] <PaulFertser> fwiw, many vendor tools and instructions here: https://flashboot.ru/files/
[09:31] <webchat23> DD and win reformat does not work
[09:31] <matsaman> webchat23: what dd command did you try?
[09:32] <PaulFertser> mptool might help if it can work with specific controller. You need some other utility to detect which controller is inside.
[09:33] <webchat23> I am well to know how to use diskdump
[09:34] <webchat23> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=1
[09:34] <webchat23> Just to clear partition
[09:39] <PaulFertser> webchat23: that only properly clears old DOS disklabel (aka MBR partition table), not GPT.
[09:39] <webchat23> Yeah, okay
[09:39] <webchat23> But it even does not clear one bit, because of read-only
[09:40] <PaulFertser> webchat23: if dmesg reports it's read only then only vendor software like mptool can help.
[10:05] <fauxpride> Hi. I'm running 20.04.6 LTS and I can't seem to be able to launch System Monitor from the GUI. If I run gnome-system-monitor it opens up just fine.
[10:05] <fauxpride> It's a recent occurence, probably after the updates in the last couple of weeks.
[10:05] <fauxpride> Any idea what might be causing it?
[10:53] <akik> lxc is still not starting up automatically for me
[10:53] <akik> (lxd)
[10:53] <akik> this gives me an error: systemctl enable --now snap.lxd.daemon
[10:53] <matsaman> and did you run that?
[10:54] <akik> this is the error: https://paste.linux.chat/?acdd7de192eff5d1#CPgdnDNx4ZvHYTTrvsRqqUWapurR3J2Yu4B64TmJoSUq
[10:54] <matsaman> anyway, you should probably try and get lxc without using snaps
[10:55] <akik> now it has started after minutes after boot
[10:55] <cosmicrajiv> hi all! How do i install the wallpaper package of ubuntu lunar in my 22.04?
[10:55] <akik> maybe it's working after all
[10:55] <akik> matsaman: lxd/lxc is the ubuntu way
[10:56] <ravage> cosmicrajiv: if you just want the wallpapers extract them from https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/ubuntu-wallpapers-lunar
[10:56] <matsaman> akik: the ubuntu way is pretty silly in this case
[10:57] <ravage> i never had any problems with the lxd snap
[10:57] <ravage> it just works
[10:57] <akik> matsaman: how do i install lxc without lxd?
[10:57] <matsaman> akik: ravage says it works
[10:57] <ravage> cosmicrajiv: https://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu-wallpapers_23.04.1.orig.tar.gz
[10:57] <akik> good for him
[10:57] <matsaman> akik: heh
[10:57] <akik> it started up for me too after a longish delay
[10:57] <cosmicrajiv> ravage; thanks
[10:57] <akik> matsaman: how do i install lxc without lxd?
[10:58] <matsaman> akik: not sure what the best way would be
[10:58] <mauro_melfi> Good morning everyone. I have a strange problem with ubuntu. My system recognizes my sound card, but no sound comes out of the speakers. I think there is some problem with Pipewire
[10:58] <matsaman> besides using Debian instead
[10:58] <matsaman> mauro_melfi: do you have pavucontrol installed?
[10:58] <akik> matsaman: i can try stopping lxd and see if i can manage the container without it
[10:58] <mauro_melfi> yes
[10:59] <mauro_melfi> matsaman when i play sound, i see bar moving, but always no sound
[11:00] <akik> matsaman: lxc list just starts up lxd automatically
[11:01] <matsaman> mauro_melfi: play sound with what?
[11:02] <akik> matsaman: after masking snap.lxd.daemon and snap.lxd.daemon.unix.socket: lxc list
[11:02] <akik> Error: Get "http://unix.socket/1.0": dial unix /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/unix.socket: connect: connection refused
[11:02] <mauro_melfi> matsaman just play video on youtube. Now i have a strange things, video on youtube aren't starting
[11:04] <mauro_melfi> matsaman now video are playing well, but with no audio
[11:05] <mauro_melfi> if you want to see the service status of pipewire, https://pastebin.com/StZKjMiu
[11:06] <mauro_melfi> it says no xdg-desktop-portal running, but it is running
[11:06] <mauro_melfi> and also there is an error with jack-device
[11:06] <akik> jesus. the snap.lxd.daemon.service lives in /etc/systemd/system instead of /lib/systemd/system
[11:06] <matsaman> jesus. the snap
[11:07] <akik> isn't it supposed to live in /lib/systemd/system ?
[11:08] <akik> masking it from starting i needed to remove the service and socket files first from /etc/systemd/system
[11:08] <akik> and that was the actual systemd service files
[11:09] <akik> or is this a special case made for snapd services?
[11:11] <ravage> services from system packages go to /usr/lib/systemd . additional stuff in /etc/systemd/system
[11:11] <ravage> the lxd snap does not come with your system so it belongs to /etc/systemd/system
[11:12] <akik> ravage: why was snap.lxd.daemon.service config file in /etc/systemd/system then?
[11:12] <ravage> see above
[11:12] <akik> "does not come with your system" it comes directly from ubuntu repos
[11:12] <ravage> no
[11:12] <ravage> you installed it by "snap install lxd"
[11:12] <akik> yes
[11:12] <akik> maybe
[11:13] <akik> those service files should go into /lib/systemd/system
[11:14] <akik> /usr/local/lib/systemd/systemSystem units installed by the administrator
[11:14] <akik> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
[11:15] <akik> that's a bad example because it references /usr/local
[11:16] <akik> In addition to /etc/systemd/system, the drop-in ".d/" directories for system services can be placed in /usr/lib/systemd/system or /run/systemd/system directories.
[11:16] <akik> /usr/lib/systemd/systemSystem units installed by the distribution package manager
[11:16] <ravage> yes.
[11:16] <akik> now i can even remove the snap because i removed snap.lxd.daemon.service
[11:17] <akik> because systemctl mask didn't work it that file was in /etc/systemd/system
[11:17] <akik> can't remove
[11:19] <akik> so snapd is not a distribution package manager? only apt is?
[11:22] <tarzeau> akik: it's multi distribution package manager. not very successful for reasons
[11:26] <akik> can i somehow remove the lxd snap manually now that snap remove lxd doesn't work?
[11:27] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hi, I'm trying to switch to Synaptics instead of Libinput. I've followed this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/1311104 - And now that dir looks ok, but I'm still apparently using libinput: https://paste.debian.net/1279057/ - What am I doing wrong?
[11:32] <noob-linux-user> how to remove snap from ununtu ? my grandma runs faster than snap  ^-^
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:37] <akik> rm -rf /snap/lxd worked
[11:45] <akik> (umount the subdirs first under that)
[11:54] <matsaman> noob-linux-user: Debian
[11:56] <ForeverNoob[m]> matsaman: Wouldn't Mint be a choice which is closer to Ubuntu?
[11:56] <ravage> !ot
[12:09] <matsaman> ForeverNoob[m]: probably too close for this issue, I would say
[12:15] <ogra> akik, that will just break your system for good ... "sudo apt purge snapd" is the correct thing to do
[12:17] <akik> ogra: it's fixed with that already
[12:17] <ogra> what is fixed ?
[12:17] <akik> ogra: the lxd snap
[12:18] <ogra> well, you are breaking the whole system with pulling out files underneath existing metadata and systemd units ... just like you break it when removing a single .so file without removing the deb package
[12:18] <akik> ornx: i fixed it already. nothing is broken
[12:19] <ogra> you can either purge snapd which removes all snaps and snap support, or sudo snap remove --purge lxd to remove a single snap
[12:19] <ogra> just randomly deleting files will cause breakge
[12:19] <ogra> (whic you will not see immediately ... so theere is a lot of fun ahead in some weeks)
[12:20] <akik> ornx: is it difficult to understand this message? "i fixed it already. nothing is broken"
[12:20] <akik> that's for you gora
[12:20] <ogra> well ..
[12:20] <akik> ogra: i rebooted the vm and everything starts up correctly
[12:20] <ogra> right, til the next snap auto-update kicks in or a fresh version of lxd is on the server
[12:21] <ogra> anyway ... nothing to argue ...
[12:22] <akik> ogra: do you have a comment on why the service file for snap.lxd.daemon is in /etc/systemd/system ?
[12:22] <ogra> because it is generated
[12:23] <akik> ogra: so it's the proper place and /lib/systemd/system is the wrong place?
[12:23] <ogra> systemd generators typucally only write to /etc ... along with this, if the unis would go into /lib UbuntuCore would have to have parts of /lib writable (it shares the core snap as rootfs with the snaps on server/desktop)
[12:24] <ogra> *typically
[12:24] <akik> how are generators related to this?
[12:24] <ogra> they create the files
[12:24] <akik> cool
[12:24] <ogra> and they typically do that in /etc/systemd/system
[12:25] <akik> so snap.lxd.daemon.service is generated by that generator?
[12:25] <ogra> (you'll likely find other generated files in there if you i.e. install a service that still uses sysv-init files)
[12:25] <ogra> yes
[12:25] <ogra> daemon services and mount units for the squashfs files per-snap
[12:26] <akik> yea i found systemd-rc-local-generator. does that create the rc.local file?
[12:26] <ogra> right
[12:26] <akik> because i didn't find rc.local in systemd github
[12:26] <ogra> well, it generates a service if that file was edited
[12:26] <akik> here https://github.com/systemd/systemd/find/main
[12:27] <ogra> yeah, thats a debian addition
[12:27] <ogra> you won't find it upstream
[12:27] <akik> it's on fedora and rhel too
[12:27] <ogra> must live in some debian packaging branch somewhere (not sure where that is hosted)
[12:27] <ogra> right, its up to the distros to add it
[12:27] <akik> well. it's run by the rc-local.service service
[12:27] <ogra> we just inherit it from debian
[12:27] <akik> which is part of systemd
[12:29] <akik> ornx: thanks for this info. now i know that snapd puts its service files in /etc/systemd/system
[12:29] <ELFrederich> On 22.04 Gimp installed through apt does not have the "heal selection" tool even if you install gimp-plugin-registry.  Any idea if this is there on the snap version?
[12:32] <matsaman> don't know but doubt it
[12:32] <matsaman> I forget why but there were all sorts of hoops to get that working last time I looked at it
[12:32] <matsaman> python incompatibility or some other version incompatibility or something maybe
[12:33] <ogra> ELFrederich, if it is something that is depending on the gimp version (because it was added at a certain point only) it is likely the snapped gimp has it ... snaps are typically a lot newer than the deb versions
[12:34] <ogra> i'd generally use the snap if you are after newer features in an app (particulary gime FWIW)
[12:34] <ogra> *gimp
[12:36] <ELFrederich> ogra, the issue is some gimp-python dependencies
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:37] <matsaman> snap versions are behind in this case =P
[12:37] <matsaman> when you find the github or whatever repo for the heal tool, it's all explained there IIRC
[12:37] <ogra> matsaman, not on my install ... the deb in the last LTS is massively behind
[12:38] <matsaman> what version?
[12:38] <ogra> ah, not massively anymore apparently ... jammy released wit something like 2.8 but is on 2.10.30 now ... my snap is on 2.10.32
[12:39] <matsaman> anyway, the heal issue is about gimp breaking compatibility with the older heal tool code, IIRC
[12:39] <ogra> ah
[12:39] <matsaman> so, IIRC you'll be able to get it to work with any version, but really the more recent version the less likely =P
[12:39] <ogra> lol, funny
[12:54] <akik> ogra: here's still one more question about the lxd snap. how do i disable it from running?
[12:54] <ogra> sudo snap stop lxd
[12:54] <akik> ornx: no i mean disable
[12:54] <ogra> akik, you need to get better with your pings ... i wonder when ornx starts getting annoyed 😛
[12:54] <akik> damn it
[12:55] <akik> sorry
[12:55] <ogra> akik, sudo snap disable lxd
[12:55] <ogra> that will even unmount the squashfs files of it
[12:55] <akik> ogra: oh so it's not done with systemctl
[12:55] <ogra> nope, it is done wit the snap command
[12:55] <akik> that's where i went to the wrong direction
[12:55]  * ogra recommends taking a look at "snap help" for all its features
[12:57] <akik> ogra: i tried to disable snap.lxd.daemon.service
[12:58] <ogra> yea, that would come back with the next package update ...
[12:58] <akik> ogra: but then it was in the way for the systemctl mask command
[12:58] <ogra> (generators again)
[12:58] <ogra> right and you cant easily mask it ...
[12:59] <ogra> there is direct API communication between snapd and systemd going on there AFAIK
[12:59] <liasana> ciao
[12:59] <ogra> so to make sure all bits and pieces are handled properly, you should always interact with snaps using the snap command
[12:59] <akik> liasana: no warez here either
[13:27] <v0lZy> I want to use openvswitch on my freshly installed ubuntu 22.04 ..
[13:28] <v0lZy> Normally, I'd create a bridge, then attach eth0 to bridge and make the bridge get an IP via dhcp...
[13:29] <v0lZy> but ubuntu has all these crap on top of basic linux networking... NetworkManager and netplan and I don't know what other crap
[13:29] <v0lZy> Whats the proper way to do networking on Ubuntu lately?
[13:30] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-configuration
[13:31] <ravage> also: #ubuntu-server
[13:31] <v0lZy> thank you
[13:56] <leftyfb> v0lZy: is this ubuntu desktop or ubuntu server?
[13:57] <ravage> i hope nobody needs openvswitch on a desktop system
[13:58] <leftyfb> ravage: it's usually the opposite, some people think they need a GUI in order to admin their server
[13:59] <ravage> that is what windows is for
[14:06] <hermano> Using bash, is there a way of getting the result of this line into an associative array?: docker ps -a --format "{{.ID}} {{.Names} {{.images}}"
[14:08] <ravage> hermano: there is #bash
[14:08] <hermano> ravage, thanks, will ask there.
[14:13] <mauro_melfi> Hi everyone. Upgrading from ubuntu lts, I'm having a problem with audio output via hdmi cable/digital port. I have an ati radeon rx570 video card, do you know if there are any solutions?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> mauro_melfi, for starters check pavucontrol/output devices/show advanced options..make sure all codecs are checked
[14:47] <jhutchins> mauro_melfi: What driver are you using for the Radeon?
[16:47] <octav1a> Hello, I've installed ubuntu 22.04 server, and x2go with LXDE. When I try to launch either firefox or chromium, I get the error " /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-609.scope is not a snap cgroup "
[16:48] <octav1a> how may I resolve this? Or how may I install the system package version instead of the snap version?
[16:50] <ravage> leftyfb: ok. you were right :)
[16:54] <deltreey> I'm having trouble with my sound on 22.04.  I have searched a ton, and done a lot of work to get to this point, but I'm at a loss.  My sound card shows up just fine in the Desktop Manager, but the second I login, my soundcard can no longer be found by ubuntu.  I have checked, and the sound card is there under /proc/asound/cards but it doesn't show in the settings app in ubuntu at all.  Sound works in the terminal, but
[16:54] <deltreey> nowhere else
[16:55] <deltreey> my volume keys work in the Desktop Manager as well, but stop working when I log in.  Again, this appears to be because ubuntu can't find my sound card.  I assume it's related to something my user is triggering on login, but I don't know what to even look for
[17:13] <octav1a> okay so apparently I'm new to the news on snaps that have taken over everything but as a long term power user it's very annoying. I have some ZFS volumes mounted under root like say at /data  ; Snap program cannot see them. I read that for some reason I can only grant access to snap to see /media and /mnt ? Okay, fine. So symlink doesn't work to get from /mnt/data4 to /data4, what method can I use?
[17:13] <octav1a> I'm about to just go and compile these programs myself
[17:25] <deltreey> like, legit no output device https://imgur.com/a/tFC4YLi
[17:28] <deltreey> and the sound card shows https://pastebin.com/D3AnmfMM
[17:35] <ravage> octav1a: try a bind mount
[17:36] <jhutchins> deltreey: Is your user a member of the audio group?
[18:08] <morel141> hello
[18:47] <deltreey> jhutchins, well, doesn't look like it.  Trying that and rebooting, brb
[18:50] <deltreey> well, usermod -aG audio <username> added the group, and even with a reboot, still no sound icon in the top panel, and no functioning audio keys, but still sound in the terminal (and weirdly with notifications)
[18:51] <deltreey> still no output devices in sound settings
[18:52] <deltreey> so when I backed-up my user directory and reinstalled, it worked.  At some point, I restored some part of my user directory (snap maybe?) that broke it
[18:55] <deltreey> not super excited to reinstall again, but I may end up going there if I can't fix it
[18:58] <octav1a> ravage:  thanks, that worked. This is still quite annoying though
[18:58] <ravage> Yes it is
[18:59] <jhutchins> octav1a: The original idea behind snaps and flatpacks was that they would be completely isolated from the host OS so they could do no damage.
[18:59] <jhutchins> Kinda like the original container concept.
[19:00] <octav1a> jhutchins: I get that when using an optional package manager
[19:00] <octav1a> as a power user on a server OS, I would rather that the "apt" system package manager, NOT install snaps, though
[19:08] <deltreey> is it possible permissions related?  Did I accidentally change the owner of some directory?  I don't know how the ubuntu settings app works, so I'm kinda at a loss for where to look next
[19:46] <svm_invictvs> Why would I be unable to access my system settings?
[19:46] <svm_invictvs> (Upper right corner where the wifi, sound etc is. It try to open bluetooth settings and nothing happens.)
[19:46] <svm_invictvs> I suspect the existing instance of the settings app isn't working, but I would liek to know how to kill it and restart it.
[19:47] <svm_invictvs> So far "gnome-control-panel" reads nothing
[19:50] <ioria> maybe gnome-control-center; never heard of gnome-control-panel
[20:42] <deltreey> well, progress has been made.  My settings app is now showing stuff.  I was able to do that by removing the config directory for pulse `rm -r ~/.config/pulse` thanks to a tip I found on a forum.  Still no sound, but the interface is responsive
[20:44] <deltreey> I no longer have _any_ sound, terminal or otherwise, but the UI is lighting up when sounds are supposed to be happening from various sources
[20:48] <deltreey> alsamixer, and pulseaudio volume control are showing sound working, my keyboard buttons are working....we're like 99% there, just lost sound altogether
[21:02] <deltreey> found here btw https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/wsgw52/no_sound_in_ubuntu_2204_after_upgrading_from_2004/
[21:03] <deltreey> and after adding `options snd-hda-intel dmic_detect=0` to `/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf` I've got sound and microphone doing stuff
[21:58] <jhutchins> octav1a: Does Apt install snaps?  I thought you had to specificly request them (although the installer apparently does use snaps_).
[21:58] <octav1a> It seems to on 22.04, hence my frustrations
[22:01] <deltreey> well, I mean, apt installs flatpaks, so why not right?
[22:01] <leftyfb> octav1a: sorry, I'm just joining, which app are you having an issue with?
[22:32] <Yellow0der> hello
[22:33] <Yellow0der> does ubuntu's latest stable "prefered LTS" kernel provide scroll-back-buffer ?
[22:34] <Yellow0der> kernel command line    fbcon=scrollback:1024k
[22:35] <Yellow0der> anyone ?
[22:35] <ravage> support was dropped in kernel 5.9
[22:35] <ravage> so the current LTS release does not have it. it comes with 5.15 / 5.19
[22:36] <Yellow0der> ravage: thank you.