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 Hi again, lovely people of the UT community! I come back once more after being fed up with my systems performance. Is there anyone of you claiming to have some insight in tweaking some components? Currently, I can hardly open the browser without it crashing by running out of RAM, let alone multiple apps
 Damn ... I installed LibreOffice applications in Libertine (after fixing the keyboard before that) and noticed a strange thing ... If in all applications (for example, Firefox and Midori) the keyboard is called, then for example in Xterm and in LibreOffice the keyboard is not called ... Strange keyboard logic ...
 @peternerlich [Hi again, lovely people of the UT community! I come back once more after being f …], On which device 😆
 @Flohack [On which device 😆], bq Aquaris E4.5
 and I cannot paste the meminfo in here somehow. the paste option only works in the terminal itself
 but I have roughly 144 of 984 m free if I interpret it correctly
 @peternerlich [and I cannot paste the meminfo in here somehow. the paste option only works in t …], Long press the space bar to have access to paste option
 huh, now it not only worked that way, but with double tappinng the input field. before paste was greyed out … $ cat /proc/meminfo | head -n 2 … MemTotal:         983712 kB … MemFree:           75224 kB
 Well Those devices with 1GB are really suffering
 UT is not optimized for small memories, and todays webpages will do the rest
 humm, i use also BQ4.5, it behaves smoothly i would say
 ( except Drawer  app List scrolling )
 yes, but they were pretty good initially. I don't expect to watch youtube videos and have a lot of apps open, but it is really annoying when I cannot even share a picture on telegram because both apps keep starving each other
 clean installed needed sometimes ;-)
 [Edit] clean install needed sometimes ;-)
 I was thinking maybe there are some components I can disable? I didn't see anything promising in services though
 i often listen to youtube music in background, while browsing without issues
 @peternerlich [yes, but they were pretty good initially. I don't expect to watch youtube videos …], Yes sharing pictures can be PITA I know. Still, it will be hard to optimize this. Most newer devices we have are 2GB+, most even 3or 4GB, so its really questionable how much effort we can/should put into this.
 @lduboeuf [clean install needed sometimes ;-)], I tried that some time ago and was disappointed that I had only little relief
 @peternerlich [I was thinking maybe there are some components I can disable? I didn't see anyth …], unity8 takes the most space 😆
 @Flohack [unity8 takes the most space 😆], I see. I guess I do have to find my way into lomiri development then? I cannot imagine liking any other existing navigation strategy better
 @peternerlich [I see. I guess I do have to find my way into lomiri development then? I cannot i …], You are welcome to try, but idk if you will able to reduce mem consumption there. Its basically Qt/QML based, so we rely on what Qt framework think is appropriate. But well you can try. … Another story is that if you would stream file conte
[10:07] <ubptgbot> nt to/from content-hub then maybe there is less mem consumption. But also there, at some point the image must go to memory, and then it goes boom
 maybe cache clean  ?
 @lduboeuf [maybe cache clean  ?], how do I do that? or do you mean the browser?
 yes, with Tweak Tool
 @lduboeuf [maybe cache clean  ?], Nah on BQ devices you frequently run out of ram thats known
 nothing to do with cache
 yes, but i'm still surprised how well it still works ;-) ( not always )
 @lduboeuf [yes, with Tweak Tool], uh, couldn't find it in there with a quick look
 @peternerlich [Hi again, lovely people of the UT community! I come back once more after being f …], I have two BQ E4.5. One UBPorts and the other Canonical - the performance differences are minimal in my opinion. Of course, this is very old equipment, so don't expect miracles.
 @peternerlich [uh, couldn't find it in there with a quick look], top menu -> "Applications ..." , then select an application
 i also saw "dataMonitor" app on openstore but it crash on last devel
 I have it installed on rc, didn't notice any problems
 okay, went through all apps and wiped every cache >1MB
 I report no noticable changes as first impression
 what is your use case where it hangs ?
 @peternerlich [huh, now it not only worked that way, but with double tappinng the input field. …], can you run `free -h`?
 preferently in landscape
 it should post of memory info
 [Edit] it should post some memory info
 @lduboeuf [what is your use case where it hangs ?], - I have Teleports open to chat here … - I open the browser to search whether there are something like light versions of qt … - the browser takes some seconds to show me the initial blank tab page after the splash screen … - the browser starts loading the last open page (duckduckgo)
[10:55] <ubptgbot> , the loading bar is somewhere in the middle, there is nothing rendered to screen yet. usually at this moment I can already see the other app killed by the pixelated 'screenshot' in the app switcher thing … - the browser finishes loading and displaying duckduckgo, with a bit of luck it doesn't get killed within the next few seconds. More loaded pag
[10:55] <ubptgbot> es tend to trigger the killing beforw the page can finish loading.
 i have the E5 it should not be this bad in my experience
 (Photo, 658x80) https://irc.ubports.com/1p1r8IqK.png
 for context, have you modified you rootfs?
 @peternerlich [<reply to media>], hmm that looks normal
 @peternerlich [- I have Teleports open to chat here … - I open the browser to search whether ther …], humm, can't reproduced, is Teleport eating huge memory ? Need to test with an other app in background
 @peternerlich [- I have Teleports open to chat here … - I open the browser to search whether ther …], [Edit] humm, can't reproduce, is Teleport eating huge memory ? Need to test with an other app in background
 how about `df -h /`?
 normal == i have similar usage without noticinn slowdowns
 [Edit] normal == i have similar usage without noticing slowdowns
 (Photo, 489x266) https://irc.ubports.com/jBfxcW5Z.png
 @peternerlich [<reply to media>], hm? have you modified your rootfs?
[11:02] <ubptgbot> limanovembergolf was added by: limanovembergolf
 humm the "/" partition is almost full
 @Fuseteam [for context, have you modified you rootfs?], I'm not sure, I don't think I did since the last reinstall
 i also modified mine, i have about 68MB free
 you seem to have less than that 🤔
 if your ok with resetting it, you can try to ssh in and run `sudo system-image-cli -b 0 --progress=dots`
 if its successful you should have more room on your `/`
 it may relieve some of the load
 (Photo, 427x773) https://irc.ubports.com/ND0gk7Bs.png
 this is now a `du -h | sort -h` of everything under `/` not listed above
 [Edit] this is now a `du -h | sort -h` of everything under `/` not listed in the previous screenshot
 yes / is a separate partition
 you don't have to worry about the contents of `/`
 [Edit] yes `/` is a separate partition
 it is normally replaced on ota
 [Edit] it is normally (partially or fully) replaced on ota
 there are bind mounts in place that preserve user data, configuration and application
 @Fuseteam [if your ok with resetting it, you can try to ssh in and run sudo system-image-cl …], this is what this cmd does as well, right?
 [Edit] there are bind mounts in place that preserve user data, configuration and applications
 @peternerlich [this is what this cmd does as well, right?], the system-image cmd? yes it will replace your current rootfs with a stock one
 @peternerlich [this is what this cmd does as well, right?], [Edit] the system-image cmd? yes it will replace your current rootfs with a stock one without risk of dataloss
 tis useful to rule out issues arising from rootfs mods
 i've done it several time, i'm currently looking into ways to workaround this "limitation"
 [Edit] i've done it several times, i'm currently looking into ways to workaround this "limitation"
 @Fuseteam [the system-image cmd? yes it will replace your current rootfs with a stock one w …], fwiw you won't lose your apps, your configurations or your data
 Exception occurred during update; see log file for details
 uhm, wtf
 did you run it through ssh
 [Edit] did you run it through ssh?
 no, terminal
 you must remote into the device, it won't work properly otherwise
 hm, I will take a break and try later again
 alright
[11:52] <ubptgbot> cuscus_1871 was added by: cuscus_1871
 @lduboeuf [humm the "/" partition is almost full], it is a loopback mount and readonly, so yes, that is true on all devices
 the problem is not disk usage
 and with 336M available, it should be fine otherwise
 yeah but iirc there's a lot more thatn 26MB free on the rootfs by default
 nope
 [Edit] yeah but iirc there's a lot more thatn 29MB free on the rootfs by default
 at least a 100MB by memory i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for experimentations
 [Edit] at least a 100MB by memory i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for experiments
 [Edit] at least a 100MB by memory, i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for experiments
 nope
 presumably with it being a loopback device it'll basically always show as 'full'? and then when you choose to add stuff to it it'll just get bigger but still remain full
 or am I thinking of something else
 I think it depends on the device … I remember the root was almost full by default … right now, it seems that i have around 200mb free on my Nexus 5
 @Fuseteam [at least a 100MB by memory, i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for …], well, "legacy" devices are different
 my xperia x has GBs 😄
 legacy devices have different partition layout and not using loopback mount
 for a 'real' idea of how much space it's taking you'd want to check the actual physical disk partition rather than the loopback device
 so i guess that just means @peternerlich installed some stuff with apt or something
 but really, the described issues don't sound like a problem with storage space
 esp given there's >1GB free on `/userdata`
 @PiecerEdd [presumably with it being a loopback device it'll basically always show as 'full' …], nah you definitely had a limit
 @dohbee [well, "legacy" devices are different], he's talking about a BQ E4.5 fwiw
 I actually didn't continue trying to ssh and reapply the image yet, but I had the thought of checking the swappiness... and was surprised to it turned up to 100. That's not the default on UT, is it?
 @Fuseteam [he's talking about a BQ E4.5 fwiw], but still, free space on `/` is irrelevant, since it's supposed to be read only
 [Edit] I actually didn't continue trying to ssh and reapply the image yet, but I had the thought of checking the swappiness... and was surprised to it turned up to 100. That's not the default on UT, is it? … I set it to 80 for testing whether it improves anything. Not sure so far.
 @peternerlich [I actually didn't continue trying to ssh and reapply the image yet, but I had th …], it's not actually swap. it is zRAM
 so 50% of the RAM is compressed to give you more RAM
 @dohbee [so i guess that just means @peternerlich installed some stuff with apt or someth …], that's my guess yes, if whatever he installed is related to it is another story
 but it clearly also says "336M available" in the `free -h` output, so RAM should not be an issue either
 the issue is weird nevertheless
 if it isn't  storage and it isn't memory, that leaves the cpu maybe? 🤔
 well it isn't amount of storage/RAM
 that doesn't mean eMMC or RAM can't be electronically faulty
 heh good point
 but it could also be some extra thing installed in rootfs causing problems, too
 so "clean install of stable channel" would be a good place to start
 yeah agreed
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Just flashing a redmi note 7 seems stuck on preparing system image how long does that part … Take any ideas
 @By brian All rights reserved [Just flashing a redmi note 7 seems stuck on preparing system image how long does …], did you have android 10 on it before?
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/q1GGB2b0.png
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Mui 11
 @dohbee [but it clearly also says "336M available" in the free -h output, so RAM should n …], when I start the browser it goes down quickly until the browser gets killed (or sometimes the whole lomiri session, for a change)
 @By brian All rights reserved [Mui 11], i guess that means android 11. you need to reflash with original android 9 image first
[15:34] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Ok is that the lavender one
 i don't know. are you trying to install an image for a different device to your device?
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Just using the ubports installer unlocked the boot loader on the redmi note 7 them followed the installer on ubports seem to go ok now just stuck on preparing system image been about 10mins
 @By brian All rights reserved [Just using the ubports installer unlocked the boot loader on the redmi note 7 th …], yes, as i said, you cannot have android 10 or newer on the device as they changed partitions in incompatible ways
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Ok 👍
 you MUST flash original android 9 based OEM image first
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> So I’ll need twrp
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Or can I roll back some how
 follow whatever instructions are from the manufacturer i guess, since you'll have to get the image from them
 Who do i talk to to get monero accepted within the ubports shop? : https://github.com/monero-integrations/moneroodoo
[16:27] <ubptgbot> Michał was added by: Michał
 (Photo, 794x628) https://irc.ubports.com/x5J0MJ3r.png first of all hello everyone. I was trying out of curiosity to install ubport on my rusty redmi 4x and it seems to have stuck on fastboot unlocking reattempt. Can I somehow safely recover from this?
 nvm, I've redone this, but apparently it cannot unlock fastboot
 "rror: fastboot:flashing_unlock: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot flashing unlock"},"stderr":"FAILED (remote: 'Token verification failed, reboot the device')\nfastboot: error: Command failed"}"
 @Michał ["rror: fastboot:flashing_unlock: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot flash …], Can it be you need an unlock token from your vendor?
 yeah I recall there was something like that needed
 you may be right
 but it sounds like so much pain in the ass geez hah
 lol well
 Hi Florian - as a developer, could you advise if it is possible to install this program on UT? https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app
 can't you use teleports?
 @op_pl [Hi Florian - as a developer, could you advise if it is possible to install this …], that looks to be unmaintained
 @joeth [that looks to be unmaintained], the correct one is https://open-store.io/app/teleports.ubports … source code:  https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/teleports
[17:22] <ubptgbot> GaryRozar was added by: GaryRozar
 @joeth [that looks to be unmaintained], btw. the outdated app you found on github has an "archived" flag 😊
 @hacker12455 [given we have checkra1n and PongoOS], And sandcastle
 @hacker12455 [can't you use teleports?], crashing all the time :/
 @joeth [that looks to be unmaintained], but I'm still use it on another UT phone
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> ive just installed lineage from fast boot
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> can i know install ubports from lavender
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> lineage
[17:39] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Anyone help or advice
 @op_pl [Hi Florian - as a developer, could you advise if it is possible to install this …], Can you read the header ;)
 @Flohack [Can you read the header ;)], can you fix the logo ;)
 @dohbee [can you fix the logo ;)], If I get a good png with transparency then yes
 Can you show us your commodore 64?
 (Sticker, 512x372) https://irc.ubports.com/YorFdCk4.webp
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Can you show us your commodore 64?], Actually I cant right now, its stowed away after some years on a shelf. But I will I promise ;)
 @Flohack [Can you read the header ;)], oooo you mean: This repository has been archived by the owner. It is now read-only.
 @op_pl [oooo you mean: This repository has been archived by the owner. It is now read-on …], Yeah this app is fully deprecated now
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/m90VjRvl.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Pvq0w9Va.webp
 But its release ready
 (Photo, 337x24) https://irc.ubports.com/QWEdQUZB.png
 Btw, will there be (at some point) a port with mainline linux kernel for Nexus 5?
 I wouldn't expect it unless someone works on it
 Nexus 5 is rather old device in terms of what is available for UBPorts
 @XShell [Btw, will there be (at some point) a port with mainline linux kernel for Nexus 5 …], i think the solution there if you want this, is to just run postmarketOS instead
 @nift4 [And sandcastle], well yea
 @Flohack [Yeah this app is fully deprecated now], Sorry, haven't see it before... but still works on one of my phones ;)
 @Flohack [If I get a good png with transparency then yes], what's worng with that from design guidelines 🤔 … https://ubuntu-touch.io/web/image/1655/Yumi.png
 @Flohack [If I get a good png with transparency then yes], [Edit] what's wrong with that from design guidelines 🤔 … https://ubuntu-touch.io/web/image/1655/Yumi.png
 @stkalb [what's wrong with that from design guidelines 🤔 … https://ubuntu-touch.io/web/ima …], Good question ^^
[18:29] <ubptgbot> <Ben Pittman> Hello,  loving Ubuntu touch. Just settimg up my first phone, a pixel 3a.  all seems to be working well,  but I cannot find a way to route calls over the wireless when cell service is not available.  is that supported yet?
 WiFi calling doesn't work in UT unfortunately
[18:37] <ubptgbot> <Ben Pittman> OK.  thanks.  I can stop looking.
 @peternerlich [when I start the browser it goes down quickly until the browser gets killed (or …], have you installed uadblock ? I had performance problems on the BQ Aquaris 4.5 with it. Even if you uninstalled it later, the changes could still be present.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/kq8BpOHn.png
 I already replaced the logo, it's still cached by telegram
 ah 😁
 @UniversalSuperBox [I already replaced the logo, it's still cached by telegram], I hope its smaller now ^^
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Got the ubports working on red mi note 7
[20:11] <ubptgbot> Nick Howard was added by: Nick Howard
[20:13] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was looking at the blackview devices. Are there any plans to incorporate those or know working builds with those devices (MediaTek based)
 @Nick Howard [hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was l …], I suggest to buy a supported phone, it's difficult to port to MediaTek devices
 @Nick Howard [hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was l …], any device requires someone with said device, to build the port for it. mediatek devices are notoriously a pain, because mediatek tends to not release kernel sources or such
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> well dang
[20:45] <ubptgbot> arilogue was added by: arilogue
 @Nick Howard [hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was l …], if you need MediaTek-based device, there is Volla Phone
 Blackview is rather unlikely due to them not releasing kernel source code
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> more over I was just looking for something not google or apple. Someone recommended blackview because it's built like a tank and that appealed to me.
 @Nick Howard [more over I was just looking for something not google or apple. Someone recommen …], it's big, heavy, and slow? :P
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> it seems many of the devices on the list are older and being in the US, Volla isn't an option
 pixel 3a maybe?
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Nick Howard [it seems many of the devices on the list are older and being in the US, Volla is …], Why that?
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> the abrams goes 55+...the HMVV i used to drive had trouble breaking 35 on a hill
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> Volla doesn't ship to the US
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Nick Howard [the abrams goes 55+...the HMVV i used to drive had trouble breaking 35 on a hill], Does the Blackview use battery like the Abe gas? 😉
 but more specifically what are you hoping to get with UT on your phone?
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> they also do not support the primary verizon CDMA bands
 At least on the Pixel 3a there are reported issues with AT&T and Verizon, and sadly no one has stepped up to debug it (hard for me to do, living in Europe)
 Volla is not good option for US then
 oof
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Nick Howard [Volla doesn't ship to the US], They do. Just takes a while right now, because DHL uses ship-bound shipping due to Corona instead of planes. Delivery time 4-8 weeks was the last statement.
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> off google and apple. something that will work well syncing pictures to plex
 @fredldotme [At least on the Pixel 3a there are reported issues with AT&T and Verizon, and sa …], 3a is android 9 based?
[20:53] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> something I can tie to my laptop easily
 @dohbee [3a is android 9 based?], Yup
 @fredldotme [At least on the Pixel 3a there are reported issues with AT&T and Verizon, and sa …], [Edit] 3a is halium 9 based?
 ah ok, i guess it has the other ofono then?
 It's the "nofono" for me atm :P
 roflmao
 heh
 and Jolla has pretty much similar problem regarding US issues
 We probably need to review patches on our and on Mer side. Maybe we should not just take it as-is
 ...if we only had enough manpower to do it...
 it's years worth of histor
 [Edit] it's years worth of history
 the change set is massive
 Regarding ofono on Halium 9.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AKTBHuRv9U
 it would be nice to resolve both versions against proper kerneldotorg upstream ofono
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> I really wish I could help you all. But I got D's and C's in all my programing classes in HS, so I'm useless.
 Nothing against Sailfish, but that seems unlikely given their reluctance and the growth of the codebase. Nobody who's willing to upstream code would code it this way.
[20:58] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> thank you all for what you do
 I think OnePlus line is also available in the US?
 yes should be
 we have 3T, and soon 5/6
 But mileage varies, I had it on a business trip but with only GSM carriers its hard to get signal on the countryside ^^
 but if CDMA has issues on halium 9 too, i guess there's no reasonable option for someone on Verizon at the moment
 Oneplus One has no CDMA radio
 @Flohack [Oneplus One has no CDMA radio], our ofono has CDMA disabled anyway
 is CDMA still important with LTE? unless you need to make voice calls
 @NotKit [is CDMA still important with LTE? unless you need to make voice calls], do we have VoLTE? :P
 VoLTE when
 and i guess it still needs to register via CDMA
[21:04] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> honestly, AT&T is the worst here, I know few people that use it. Even fewer that don't complain about it.
[21:04] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> thats our only GSM provider
 eh? t-mobile is GSM
 vzn/sprint moving away too (and sprint is part of t-mobile now anyway)
[21:09] <ubptgbot> ZuHawecadabu was added by: ZuHawecadabu
[21:20] <ubptgbot> Thomas Greene was added by: Thomas Greene
[21:23] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Greene> Will installing this stop my cell service? "Cspire CDMA"
 installing what?
[21:40] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Greene> Ubuntu touch.
 slightly depends on which device you mean, but yes, in general Ubuntu Touch isn't working on CDMA currently
 @dohbee [slightly depends on which device you mean, but yes, in general Ubuntu Touch isn' …], Which is kinda astounding since rild should make an abstraction strong enough to iron out differences
 @Flohack [Which is kinda astounding since rild should make an abstraction strong enough to …], there's a patch in our ofono that forces GSM though, to work around a problem with the 2G/3G/4G selection on the pro5
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Greene> Ok my device is a galaxy S8 plus, suppose I'll just spend more time learning about the OS before asking questions. New to it all so dont really know alot about it.
 i don't think other dual sim devices are affect. just that bloody exynos device
 @dohbee [there's a patch in our ofono that forces GSM though, to work around a problem wi …], I know that story yes ^^
[21:46] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> Tmobile's speed averages out at about 4mbps BTW
[21:47] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> so it's hot garbage
 @Nick Howard [Tmobile's speed averages out at about 4mbps BTW], off topic, but i get ~30Mbps download speed on LTE with T-Mo here.
[23:28] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> 4 mbps where I'm at, I just did their trial hotspot thing, the performance was the same as I had on sprint. Which is a large part of the reason why I left sprint


[14:10] <dzho> so ... flatpak?
[15:48] <jrwren> i'm not sure yet, but I think I'll like flatpak a little better.


[10:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, how many tests have you done?
[10:07] <smartboyhw> len-1304, any spare time to do some testing?
[10:10] <smartboyhw> bah I can't mark an ISO ready:(
[10:14] <smartboyhw> Damn the etherpad is too slow to load
[10:25] <Tm_T> hi
[10:25] <Tm_T> zequence, smartboyhw: you were in need of ops?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, well at least I want to be op. I am in constant need to change the topic of channel. zequence is the project lead and hedeserves op rights...
[10:42] <smartboyhw> zequence, give me a confirmation that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Beta2/UbuntuStudio is OK.
[10:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, the amd64 has passed the Mandatory testcases. I am considering to just mark it ready. The post-installation thing will take some time.
[10:46] <smartboyhw> Especially when the person who tested the install didn't do the live and post-install
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Almost accidentally deleted the beta 1 announcement:P
[11:09] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: it was an almost accident that you deleted it? (;
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, actually I accidentally deleted it and I undone the deletion
[11:10] <smartboyhw> It's back anyway
[11:10] <smartboyhw> And soon I will want somebody to change chan topics again:(
[11:11] <Tm_T> (:
[11:11] <Tm_T> I've been hoping zequence to nudge me so I would handle the rights
[11:12] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, I want zequence to tell me things too:P
[11:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, I passed the post-installation for amd64. I will be marking Ubuntu Studio amd64 installation ready.
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Dinner time
[12:20]  * smartboyhw wonders where is zequence today
[12:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, all tests for i386 are complete. I have marked the i386 image ready. In total the installation ones are all ready. However the upgrades are a bit of a problem.
[12:34] <smartboyhw> !testers-#ubuntustudio-devel is <reply> smartboyhw, len-1304, Len-nb, zequence please help to do some testing
[12:34] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, approve that:P
[12:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: Upgrading works, but is not perfect. I did two upgrades yesterday.
[12:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. We need to do the ones upgrading from an image.
[12:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, which arch do you want to do?;P
[12:40] <smartboyhw> And is the release notes OK?
[12:40] <smartboyhw> s/is/are/
[12:40] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "And are the release notes OK?"
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, here's zequence:)
[12:42] <zequence> smartboyhw: Are you going to do one of the upgrade tests? You choose the arch. I can do both, but I need to install Quantal first
[12:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, me too I need to install Quantal first
[12:43] <smartboyhw> amd64 for me then
[12:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, please help to do i386:)
[12:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think you should add that upgrading, while it will work, may introduce some issues to some people. So, upgrading is not the recommended way to install 13.04
[12:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. Later then
[12:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: Ok. I'll do the i386 then
[12:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: Looking at how the testing has gone so far, I'm not sure the beta will be released on time
[12:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, thanks
[12:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, why?
[12:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: Cause not everyone is ready yet. And, that is not strange, because of the delay we had
[12:46] <zequence> But, it does seem like we can make it anyhow
[12:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, I do agree. Thank God we completed the image ones
[12:46] <Tm_T> zequence: I could hand the channel founder rights to you and op rights to smartboyhw, is that ok for you?
[12:46] <zequence> Tm_T: Sounds good
[12:47] <smartboyhw> +1
[12:47] <Tm_T> thanks, will do when I arrive home (:
[12:47] <zequence> Tm_T: Thanks
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, thanks!
[12:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, updated the release notes.
[12:50] <zequence> smartboyhw: Looks good :)
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Now a shower while 12.10 install
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Back
[13:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, how's your upgrade testing going?
[13:29] <len-1304> smartboyhw, sorry, ran out of time last night. Got the live done and have been running the post install test, which is mostly ok too.
[13:30] <smartboyhw> len-1304, I did it already:) However it is good that you do a double-check:)
[13:30] <len-1304> I do need to do another install though. but it would have to wait a few hours at least
[13:30]  * len-1304 has to do his days work first
[13:32] <smartboyhw> len-1304, no worries:)
[13:35] <len-1304> Anyway, while I would never call things complete, 13.04 seems to finished so far as what we set out to do this cycle.
[13:35] <smartboyhw> len-1304, +1
[13:35] <smartboyhw> As zequence says, it's high time we plan for 13.10 (S-cycle)
[13:40] <len-1304> does it make sense for the settings manager to handle sysadmin as well as settings?
[13:40] <len-1304> zequence, ^^
[13:43] <len-1304> The way xubuntu has done their settings manager, some things that logically belong in System are now in the settings manager. In my opinion, if we are going to do that then all the system stuff should be there.
[13:44] <len-1304> or none of it.
[13:44] <smartboyhw> len-1304, I think we should stick to Xubuntu.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Now is the time of reality of upgrades
[13:46] <len-1304> Menu settings will upgrade gracefully, they are not like panel settings :)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, my test is done and is OK I think. No GTK error here
[13:47] <smartboyhw> s/GTK/LightDM GTK Greeter/
[13:47] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, my test is done and is OK I think. No LightDM GTK Greeter error here"
[13:47] <len-1304> However, it does not make sense that software install is in settings as an example.
[13:49] <len-1304> If I was to move the few remaining System apps into the settings manager things would be more consistent and make more sense.
[13:52] <len-1304> The settings manager already has a System area in  it, and I think that if there was no System submenu, people would automatically choose the setting manager as the place to look for system kinds of things.
[13:53] <len-1304> In my daily use of xubuntu, I have found that I often look in the wrong place for a system tool, it might be in settings or it might be in settings.
[13:53] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> "it might be in settings or it might be in settings!?"
[13:54] <len-1304> sorry one of those should be system
[13:55] <zequence> I think probably user settings should be in settings, and system wide settings in system
[13:55] <len-1304> Ok, so not like xubuntu then
[13:55] <zequence> I'm also asking myself if Xubuntu works with XFCE on making any changes on the settings manager
[13:56] <len-1304> The settings manager is really just a menu. It has a menu file just like the main menu.
[13:56] <zequence> ok
[13:56] <zequence> Cause that is more like a mix of things
[13:56] <len-1304> The problem is that a lot of system apps include settings as a category.
[13:56] <zequence> ah
[13:57] <len-1304> and a lot of settings include system as a category.
[13:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, how's the testing?
[14:01] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'll do it when I have time. I don't use a virtual install, cause it doesn't affect hardware diffs
[14:01] <zequence> hardware related diffs
[14:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, I went through some old Ubuntu Studio IRC logs + Mailing list archives, and I can't seem to find when Scott actually became Project Lead...
[14:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've never asked him: I wasn't around at the time. ttoine or perhaps holstein would know
[14:14] <zequence> astraljava too perhaps?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Old history:P
[14:16] <smartboyhw> !testers
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Er Tm_T clearly didn't approve it for me:(
[14:16] <smartboyhw> This factoid will be useful in future
[14:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: Don't think he has come home yet
[14:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, one interesting thing: Edubuntu has their own council right? They have 5 council members but only 7 Edubuntu members (LOL)
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Very interesting
[14:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think it shows that we flavors need more people involved
[14:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, not like that in Kubuntu
[14:19] <smartboyhw> we got 55 Kubuntu members (including me)
[14:19] <zequence> yes, Kubuntu is doing well
[14:19] <smartboyhw> But the others, not
[14:19] <smartboyhw> I think it is thanks to Canonical's support in the early days + rep of KDE
[14:22] <ttoine> zequence, I think scott became the natural leader after Cory give up
[14:23] <smartboyhw> ttoine, just like zequence became the natural leader after scott give up?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> That seems to be the way to born an Ubuntu Studio Project Lead
[14:23] <smartboyhw> LOl
[14:23] <ttoine> smartboyhw, something like that, yes
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu teaches me a lot of things
[14:24] <smartboyhw> e.g. How to package, how to do seed management, the importnace of copyright file, etc.
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ttoine, well if our team doesn't grow that will be the process in the future:P
[14:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, would it be wise to mark the upgrade testcases ready?
[14:29] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'd rather do them first. I'm just about to start working on that
[14:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, well OK then:)
[14:29] <zequence> It seems like we've had a bit of help with a couple of test cases
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, just mark it after you finish it
[14:30] <zequence> nicks I don't recognize
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes:)
[14:30] <smartboyhw> The install ones
[14:30] <smartboyhw> merejomusicf
[14:30] <smartboyhw> s/merejomusicf/merejomusic/
[14:30] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "merejomusic"
[14:30] <smartboyhw> He did post on Google+ that he thinks 13.04 is the best (he has been using it since 8.04)
[14:31] <zequence> Ah yes. It's him
[14:31] <zequence> He seems quite pleased with 13.04
[14:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, you should be happy about that:)
[14:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: Oh, I just remembered yet another important change with 13.04. Two bugs are fixed. Let me get them for you..
[14:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, bang
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Still time to update it though
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Which two?
[14:33] <zequence> bug #956438
[14:33] <ttoine> smartboyhw, I think too that in small Open Source projects, people contributes for some time, then do something else, etc... and often, the one with the most time to spend become the leader ;-)
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Ah that bug and?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> ttoine, +1
[14:33]  * smartboyhw clearly isn't one:P
[14:34] <zequence> This is soon fixed in both Quantal and Raring too, but is one very important one for audio folks
[14:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, s/Raring/Precise you mean?!
[14:35] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes
[14:35] <zequence> bug #1163638
[14:36] <zequence> I'm preparing the SRU process for this bug. That report is a part of that
[14:36] <zequence> It is fixed in pulseaudio 3.0, which is shipped with raring
[14:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, good:)
[14:38] <zequence> With a little luck, both will be fixed in Precise and Quantal at around Raring release time, so in effect, all of them will work as well for audio more or less
[14:38] <zequence> still, worth mentioning in the release notes
[14:39] <zequence> jackd 1.9.9 fixes #956438, and pulseaudio 3.0 fixes 1163638
[14:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, we also got a new tester plimptm
[14:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, and it seems that he doesn't find your problem...
[15:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, how's the testing?
[15:37]  * smartboyhw suddenly notices that zequence is away:(
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, I am switching to mobile. See ya
[15:45] <zequence-q> Another thing we really need to look at for next cycle is why we install both -generic and -lowlatency for i386
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Hello zequence-q:)
[15:45] <smartboyhw> zequence: I think maybe the -pae problem
[15:46] <zequence-q> I would guess that is it too
[15:47] <zequence-q> ah, upgrading won't upgrade the proprietary nvidia driver I think
[15:47] <zequence-q> I'm seeing it is being installed by default on 12.10
[15:47] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:47] <zequence-q> It's called nvidia-current, but such a package does not exist in 13.04
[15:48] <zequence-q> Someone already  mentioned this i think
[15:48] <smartboyhw> BTW I updated the release notes with the bugs
[15:48] <smartboyhw> And I got my announcement ready;)
[15:48] <zequence-q> smartboyhw, Great
[16:00] <smartboyhw> zequence: So how's the upgrade?
[16:07] <Tm_T> no I'm not slow
[16:08] <smartboyhw> Tm_T LOL
[16:14] <smartboyhw> zequence-r: How's it?
[16:14] <zequence-r> smartboyhw, Just about to upgrade to raring
[16:15] <smartboyhw> Good:)
[16:15] <Tm_Tsudapium> hola
[16:15] <zequence-r> Tm_Tsudapium,  Terve
[16:15] <Tm_Tsudapium> zequence and smartboyhw, all should be set (:
[16:16] <zequence-r> ok. thanks!
[16:17] <smartboyhw> It works
[16:19] <zequence-r> Maybe only raring gets this problem. From /var/log/syslog .. "No volume groups found"
[16:19] <zequence-r> It's not finding my partitions
[16:19] <zequence-r> Has happened before, but it doesnt happen every time
[16:20] <zequence-r> I will reboot and try again
[16:28] <zequence> I'm unable to do the upgrade on this machine, so I will need to repeat the procedure on another :(
[16:28] <smartboyhw> zequence: Damn why?
[16:29] <zequence> the partition manager isn't able to scan my disk
[16:29] <smartboyhw> DAMN
[16:29] <smartboyhw> LOl
[16:30] <zequence> May be a raring only bug, which might has something to do with having many logical volumes
[16:30] <zequence> I have something like 8 different OSs installed here, out of which 6 are for Ubuntu Studio testing
[16:30] <smartboyhw> What the...
[16:31] <smartboyhw> zequence: Two for kernels at least?
[16:31] <zequence> Could be the same bug that em guy had who was here and on #ubuntu-installer yesterday
[16:31] <zequence> smartboyhw: Both archs, 3 releases
[16:31] <zequence> = 6
[16:31] <smartboyhw> zequence: wow
[16:32] <smartboyhw> zequence: Find the backlog of yesterdays #ubuntu-installer channel at irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/03
[16:32] <zequence> smartboyhw: I have it in my own irssi log, but thanks :)
[16:33] <smartboyhw> :)
[17:39] <smartboyhw> zequence: How's the upgrade test?
[17:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: Soon finished
[17:40] <smartboyhw> Yat
[17:40] <smartboyhw> s/Yat/Yay/
[17:40] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Yay"
[17:41] <zequence> Yat works surprisingly well too :D
[17:41] <smartboyhw> Yat!
[17:41] <smartboyhw> LOL
[17:46] <zequence> len-1304: I'm thinking more about links to IRC, forums and stuff like that. If we want more participants, it may be smart to make those links really visible. The first step is really that people come in contact with us. We should add a couple of links to the desktop at least
[17:47] <zequence> I'll want to make more work on the website too, to make it easier for users to get in touch with us, and realize they could help, if they want, etc
[17:47] <zequence> The installer is already great, when it comes to this
[17:47] <zequence> Maybe a bit of text editing would be in order though. But, that's just details
[17:48] <zequence> btw, probably not that many here are on the forums that often. I know I'm not (I was only for a short period)
[17:48] <zequence> It has a lot of activity
[17:49] <zequence> I think by far more than any other of our communication channels
[17:49] <smartboyhw> I am, but not that active now
[17:49] <zequence> I'm going to pay more attention to the forums from now on. That is really where we get to interact with most users, apart from our website and social sites
[17:50] <zequence> mail list and IRC are important too, but they have much less traffic
[18:00] <smartboyhw> zequence: Did you report your upgrade result to the ISO QA Tracker7
[18:04] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm doing it now. I'll let you know when I'm done
[18:05] <zequence> len-1304: Actually, I had another look at the menu, and realized, system is probably used for applications that are somehow related to the system - not making settings for it, while settings is all about adjusting settings, not matter if global or not
[18:06] <zequence> But, it still doesn't look perfectly organized
[18:08] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm going to mark it failed, since the lightdm-gtk-greeter theme is not correctly updated
[18:08] <zequence> smartboyhw: But, it's ok to release anyway
[18:08] <zequence> I'm just going to make a bug report about this
[18:16] <zequence> Well, it's the same bug as before really
[18:16] <zequence> Just one less error this time
[18:17] <zequence> I've marked them ready
[18:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: ^
[18:27] <smartboyhw> zequence: OK
[18:53] <zequence> hmm, seems the greeter bug is actually not because of the upgrade at all (well, not the theming anyway)
[18:54] <zequence> It looks bad on the live ISO even, when you log out
[21:59] <Len-nb> zequence, That makes sense. But take a look at what xubuntu has in settings. There are a few things in setting that don't belong. Like install this to your hard drive should really be in system not settings.
[22:27] <zequence> nice..
[22:28] <zequence> I deleted all my blog posts by mistake
[22:28] <zequence> 3 of them
[22:28] <zequence> :(
[22:29] <zequence> Seeing words like "do you want to delete all.." should make alarm bells go off, but apparently not for me
[23:46] <zequence> Ah, they were only trashed. Got them un-deleted


[00:01] <Flannel> pep: You can make sure you don't miss subpages with [[Navigation macro in the wiki too
[00:04] <Flannel> Or, whomever goes about moving it
[00:04] <hubuntu> Not sure about moving it
[00:04] <pep> mhh
[00:04] <pep> why hubuntu
[00:04] <pep> ?
[00:05] <pep> Flannel: I'm not sure I see what you mean with the [[Navigation macro, you can move it if you wish...
[00:05] <Flannel> That is... [[Nagivation(children)]] that'll give you a TOC of children which you can make sure all get moved (more importantly, none get left behind)
[00:05] <hubuntu> Cause is impportant to keep in mind that it's not only the diy part
[00:05] <Flannel> hubuntu: What does that have to do with moving it under /Projects?
[00:06] <pep> Ok, hubuntu we can put it in /SpreadUbuntu/OldProjects/..
[00:06] <hubuntu> Donno
[00:06] <Flannel> pep: Yeah, I dont mind doing it
[00:06] <Flannel> It'll just be /Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Old/*
[00:07] <Flannel> instead of /Projects/Spreadubuntu
[00:07] <Flannel> which means we can move our /Spreadubuntu into /Projects where it should be
[00:07] <pep> yes
[00:07] <pep> but we'll move diy-website too while we're at it
[00:08] <Flannel> Yeah
[00:08] <Flannel> I was just thinking that
[00:08] <pep> so /SpreadUbuntu/Old/SpreadUbuntu and SU/Old/diy-website, well you see what I mean :)
[00:08] <Flannel> Mhmm
[00:08] <Flannel> That way we don't lose the content, but still can cleanup the /MT section
[00:09] <pep> jupp
[00:09] <pep> it's good because they did a lot of work on it
[00:09] <hubuntu> Maybe /mt/projects/su ? Was that the proposition?
[00:10] <pep> yes, that will be where the current su will be
[00:10] <pep> let flannel do you'll like it ^^"
[00:10] <hubuntu> Oki
[00:10] <hubuntu> :)
[00:11] <Flannel> hubuntu: yeah, we'll move the current /MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu to /MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu and the old stuff to /MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Old/*
[00:12] <hubuntu> Well any other discussion issues?
[00:13] <pep> mh let me think
[00:14] <pep> sugui?
[00:14] <hubuntu> Meisok sigues ahi?
[00:14] <meisok> yes
[00:14] <hubuntu> Sugui is a wonderful idea, but we will most likely have to wait to fully implement it
[00:15] <hubuntu> It will be leonov with many plugins and specific for the repo project on LP
[00:16] <hubuntu> Leonov is a client for LP, so you can do everything you can do in LP but in a client. A lot of things can be done offline too. It is geniaal
[00:18] <pep> ahh yes, got to decide about a logo too... we've got this http://dicidailleurs.houbsi.org/uploads/file/su-pre.png and http://dicidailleurs.houbsi.org/uploads/file/SU-pre_2.png
[00:18] <hubuntu> It's meisoks idea
[00:18] <pep> Personally I like a world in the middle, but only one second layer, of either normal discs or small ubuntu logos.
[00:19] <pep> (sorry for interrupting, I like sugui, even if it's a little premature :-) but it's really good.)
[00:19] <Flannel> I like the fractal idea.
[00:20] <hubuntu> Fractal? Donno understand
[00:20] <pep> in the logo I think...
[00:20] <hubuntu> Ah ok
[00:20] <Flannel> I like the big logo
[00:21] <Flannel> (on the second link)
[00:21] <pep> I think it's too heavy..
[00:21] <Flannel> don't like the font of the first one.  I think I like the second and third words on the first link
[00:21] <pep> and too triangular..
[00:21] <Flannel> pep: Perhaps the middle logo on the second link?
[00:21] <Flannel> only one layer deep?
[00:21] <pep> yes same for the writing
[00:22] <pep> yes exactly
[00:22] <pep> I like that one
[00:22] <pep> middle logo second link
[00:22] <pep> hubuntu? meisok? :)
[00:22] <pep> anyone else?
[00:23] <Flannel> I don't think we really need to decide on a logo at the current time ;)
[00:23] <hubuntu> Im watching
[00:23] <pep> nah just taking ideas Flannel
[00:23] <hubuntu> Surfing in a n810 and edge.. Takes time to nsee the link
[00:23] <pep> if anyone's got another subject go ahead
[00:24] <pep> hehe
[00:26] <hubuntu> Agree w logo in link 2
[00:26] <hubuntu> 2ndlogo in w<@ link
[00:27] <hubuntu> Logo 2 in link 2
[00:27] <hubuntu> Like ubuntu-title as font
[00:28] <hubuntu> The color play in lines 3 and 4 in link 1 is nice
[00:28] <hubuntu> Meisok?
[00:28] <meisok> i like all :P
[00:28] <hubuntu> ;)
[00:28] <meisok> but you can modify or create new ideas
[00:29] <meisok> *but I can...
[00:29] <hubuntu> Nice work as a start meisok and pep
[00:29] <hubuntu> Good to have designers with us
[00:29] <pep> heh, meisok is the designer :)
[00:29] <hubuntu> Graphical designers
[00:29] <pep> I'm just ful of too many ideas
[00:32] <meisok> :)
[00:32] <hubuntu> Ok... Now we have the classification system, the backend, the front end
[00:33] <hubuntu> Shall nwe register the project?
[00:33] <pep> well yes, classification system in the works
[00:33] <pep> hubuntu: at launchpad?
[00:33] <pep> uhn
[00:33] <pep> yes :)
[00:33] <pep> the spreadubuntu project
[00:33] <hubuntu> And can somebody explain how branches and bzr works?
[00:33] <pep> diy-spreadubuntu will be deleted hopefully :/
[00:33] <hubuntu> Yes, for the site code and the repo
[00:34] <hubuntu> Site involving diy and everything else we wll be up to
[00:34] <pep> I will pull the site code over once I've installed the couples of last modules
[00:35] <hubuntu> We should pull it  once in a while
[00:35] <hubuntu> The db too
[00:37] <pep> yes
[00:37] <pep> I'll take care of it as I have ftp access, just e-mail me if you want it to be pulled for any reason
[00:37] <pep> mhh
[00:37] <hubuntu> :)L
[00:37] <Flannel> hubuntu: Register what project?
[00:38] <Flannel> hubuntu: we've already got one registered
[00:39] <hubuntu> I mean two branches (site code and site content(as in the repo))
[00:39] <hubuntu> Or register another for the repo and the material exclusively
[00:40] <pep> well taht has time realy
[00:40] <Flannel> We shouldn't register an official material one just yet, we can use the same one we're using for the code
[00:40] <pep> not exactly the same
[00:40] <pep> it will be deleted as it is under diy-spreadubuntu right now :/
[00:40] <Flannel> Because we'll want well defined test data
[00:40] <Flannel> pep: we have lp/spreadubuntu
[00:40] <pep> ah yes
[00:41] <pep> the old one sorry -_-
[00:41] <hubuntu> Ok
[00:41] <hubuntu> It sounds like the best approach till we go live
[00:41] <Flannel> Eh, even functional.
[00:42] <Flannel> I just don't want to open stuff up to commits before we have a somewhat working site.  Since anyone who commits will have a moving target for structure/meta information/etc
[00:42] <pep> true
[00:42] <hubuntu> True
[00:43] <hubuntu> It's good to have people that knows their way in this team
[00:43] <hubuntu> I really believe we are going to achieve great results
[00:43] <pep> hehe
[00:43] <hubuntu> You guys are just good at what you do, which makes us agood as a team
[00:45] <hubuntu> Ok i have an off-topic question
[00:45] <pep> bring it on
[00:45] <hubuntu> I'm woeking in a  video scrfipt for an ubuntu commerciaal
[00:46] <hubuntu> I'a goot actors, post production(/animation experts, profesional photographers anand the eager to make the most succesful viral videpo forubuntu
[00:46] <pep> (by the way this is our testserver if you didn't know: http://spreadubuntu.houbsi.org
[00:47] <hubuntu> We are 5 days away and are to work on the script
[00:47] <hubuntu> 5 days on vacation..
[00:48] <hubuntu> :)
[00:48] <hubuntu> Any ideas of what a ubuntu promo video should have?
[00:48] <hubuntu> I believe it should show ubuntu in the background of life
[00:49] <hubuntu> But not be central, just shown ubjuntu as part of people's lifes
[00:49] <hubuntu> (Children, grandpas, students, professionals, anyone/anywhere)
[00:49] <pep> depends what message you want to transmit.... accessible, complete, reliable...
[00:50] <hubuntu> I want to transmit that Ubuntu is just a part of life for some, and it could be part of yours too
[00:52] <pep> credibilising the use of linux
[00:52] <pep> =)
[00:52] <Flannel> hubuntu: You should talk to meoblast001 if you ever see him
[00:53] <hubuntu> Nickserv
[00:55] <hubuntu> Hhh
[00:55] <hubuntu> Thx Flannel
[00:56] <hubuntu> Does he work with video/promotiion?
[00:57] <Flannel> I... think so.
[00:57] <hubuntu> Know where he hangs?
[00:58] <Flannel> He was here last night
[00:58] <hubuntu> Ok... I'll look for him later.
[00:58] <Flannel> er... 17-13 hours ago
[00:58] <pep> Last seen  : Jul 19 10:09:20 2008 (13 hours, 44 minutes, 46 seconds ago)
[00:59] <hubuntu> I saw it pep
[00:59] <hubuntu> ;) Thx
[01:00] <pep> and if you were asking for his location, I suppose Ohio, trusting his IP
[01:02] <hubuntu> Didn't check that... ;)
[01:04] <pep> heh
[01:05] <pep> got nothing to do at 2 am
[01:05] <pep> :)
[01:05] <meisok> hehe
[01:07] <Flannel> Alright.  I've moved the stuff to /Old/ and the new stuff under /Projects.  The old SpreadUbuntu is now /MT/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Old/Spread, because for some reason /SpreadUbuntu wouldn't work
[01:07] <pep> maybe too many steps to jump
[01:09] <Flannel> I don
[01:09] <Flannel> I don't think so, since it's subpage went to /SpreadUbuntu/Whatever fine
[01:09] <Flannel> but, its no big deal either way
[01:09] <Flannel> I've updated /Projects/ I don't know what else might need to eb updated though
[01:10] <pep> ah right I see
[01:10] <Flannel> Just sort of odd
[01:16] <hubuntu> Ood?
[01:16] <hubuntu> Are we gOod?
[01:22] <pep> still to prove ;-
[01:22] <pep> ;)
[01:24] <hubuntu> Flannel, pep, meisok and everyone else who is reading (cody ;) thanks. I'm off
[01:24] <pep> bye
[01:25] <hubuntu> We should think of the blueprints/task part of the LP project
[01:25] <hubuntu> And how to continue (use cases documented normally in the wiki)
[01:25] <hubuntu> Ok.. Good night/day
[01:26] <pep> good idea  the use cases
[01:26] <pep> gdnight
[01:27] <Flannel> Bye hubuntu
[01:28] <meisok> gdnight
[01:28] <meisok> all..
[01:28] <hubuntu> Bye people's
[01:28] <hubuntu> Asomen
[01:28] <pep> bye meisok
[01:28] <hubuntu> ;)
[01:28] <pep> (everyone's leaving :-)
[01:28] <meisok> ciao! pep hubuntu  Flannel  ;)
[01:28] <pep> let's keep saying goodbye for another hour
[01:28] <pep> plz
[01:29] <pep> bye hubuntu
[01:29] <pep> sleep well meisok
[01:29] <pep> xD
[01:29] <pep> (sorry :p)
[01:29] <pep> I'm tired :)
[01:29] <meisok> XD
[01:30] <pep> was online until 5am yesterday and got up at half past 7 \o/
[01:32] <meisok> yeah!!
[01:33] <hubuntu> 5 almost but stood up 1130 ;)
[04:32] <meoblast001> hi
[05:18] <meoblast001> hi ppl
[05:20] <Flannel> Howdy meoblast001
[05:21] <meoblast001> Flanne: hi how is life going
[05:22] <meoblast001> Flannel rather
[05:22] <Flannel> meoblast001: Going fine.  How about yourself?
[05:23] <meoblast001> Flannel: same old crappy life
[05:44] <meoblast001> hola
[05:44] <meoblast001> BHSPitLappy
[05:44] <BHSPitLappy> hi?
[05:45] <meoblast001> hi =D
[05:59] <meoblast001> Flannel: so what's been going on here previos to me joining?
[06:09] <Flannel> meoblast001: Not a whole lot.  We had a discussion this afternoon regarding spreadubuntu details
[06:09] <meoblast001> Flannel: whats spreadubuntu?
[06:10] <Flannel> Its one of the projects the marketing team is currently working on.  A website that is a repository for Ubuntu materials (posters, flyers, images, etc) and an information site to new users (what Ubuntu is, how to get it, etc)
[06:21] <meoblast001> Flannel: oh


[00:30] <jjohansen> lamont: re: fs caps?  Did you make any progress with that?
[02:15] <lamont> jjohansen: remind me?
[02:42] <jjohansen> lamont: you were asking how much a pain enabling file caps would be
[02:43] <jjohansen> lamont: I asked if a few days before feature freeze was the time to be wondering about it
[02:44] <lamont> oh.  that.
[02:44] <jjohansen> so I suppose, that means no
[02:44] <lamont> I don't remember - it was someone else backchanneling through me complaining that the machine we co-manage at a co-lo facility needs a custom kernel
[02:45] <jjohansen> hrmm, they could use AA set capability rules to achieve much the same thing
[02:46] <lamont> except that the package that they're using doesn't
[02:46] <lamont> and rebuilding the kernel is easier
[02:46] <jjohansen> heh, maybe
[10:31] <tkamppeter> Anyone can give me some help to submit a patch correctly to the vger.kernel.org mailing list?
[10:36] <smb> tkamppeter, One thing would be to run your patch through scripts/checkpatch.pl If that does not complain, this is a good sign
[10:37] <amitk> tkamppeter: also, Documentation/SubmittingPatches in the kernel tree has pointers to making the perfect patch
[10:39] <smb> tkamppeter, There is also scripts/get_maintainer.pl which would help you to find out who to cc
[11:41] <smoser> anyone here a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>moderator ?
[11:41] <smoser> i sent some non-spam there that needs to be approved. (ok, well *I* think its not spam)
[11:44] <tkamppeter> smb, amitk, thx.
[11:44] <amitk> smoser: done
[11:44] <smoser> thanks
[12:17] <gnomefreak> is it known that the newest kernel wont shut PC off ubuntu shuts down but PC stys on and i have to push and hold to shut it down?
[12:21]  * gnomefreak goes to file bug
[15:48]  * amitk confirms the behaviour that gnomefreak was reporting about the system now powering off with -7
[15:49] <rtg_> amitk, yeah, that was the other side effect of -7.
[15:49] <rtg_> of the KSM patch set, rather
[15:49] <amitk> s/now/not
[15:50]  * gnomefreak cant recall bug # but there is one filed on it
[15:51] <amitk> gnomefreak: please check back with -8 that rtg just uploaded (might be available tomorrow)
[15:52] <gnomefreak> amitk: ok thanks is there a deb in LP?
[15:53] <rtg_> gnomefreak, its just been uploaded, so will take awhile
[15:53] <gnomefreak> rtg_: ok thanks again
[16:42] <Laibsch> Hi
[16:43] <Laibsch> Where do I get the source for the mainline kernels?
[16:44] <Laibsch> I doubt that the 2.2KB file http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2009-08-27/linux-source-2.6.31_2.6.31-999.200908271000_all.deb has much ;-)
[16:46] <Keybuk> Laibsch: mainline kernels are inherently the mainline kernels
[16:46] <Keybuk> ie. kernel.org git
[16:47] <Laibsch> well, but there's more to it
[16:47] <Keybuk> no, there isn't
[16:47] <Laibsch> I already compiled mainline straight from git
[16:47] <Laibsch> But it was missing the initrd part
[16:47] <Keybuk> what initrd part?
[16:48] <Laibsch> My kernel did not create an initrd
[16:48] <Keybuk> how did you make your kernel?
[16:48] <Laibsch> make-kpkg
[16:48] <Keybuk> make-kpkg --initrd? :-)
[16:49] <Keybuk> strictly speaking though, Ubuntu kernel builds don't use make-kpkg
[16:49] <Laibsch> alright, I'll retry with --initrd
[16:49] <Laibsch> sorry, if I sound stupid ;-)
[16:50] <Laibsch> I only compile kernels out of necessity
[16:50] <Laibsch> not for fun
[16:50] <Keybuk> really? I do it for fun :p
[16:50] <Keybuk> plus it keeps the house warm, and saves on gas
[17:10] <AnAnt> Hello, could someone confirm this bug please: LP 418477 ?
[17:10] <AnAnt> Launchpad bug 418477 in linux "New kernel causes losetup to hog the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418477
[17:10] <ubot3`> Malone bug 418477 in linux "New kernel causes losetup to hog the system" [Undecided,New]
[17:13] <rtg_> AnAnt, -7 is killing kittens. -8.28 is in the pipeline.
[17:14] <AnAnt> rtg_: ah, thanks
[17:14] <AnAnt> killing kittens
[17:14] <AnAnt> is that somehow of saying "evil" ?
[17:15] <rtg_> AnAnt, any sane person would consider dead kittens to be evil, right?
[17:15] <AnAnt> rtg_: dead kittens are not evil
[17:15] <AnAnt> the one who kills them is !
[17:15] <rtg_> AnAnt, ah, a fine semantic difference :)
[17:15] <AnAnt> :)
[17:16] <AnAnt> ok, I need to ask a question, is this bug: LP 414795 a kernel or a pulseaudio bug ?
[17:19] <AnAnt> https://launchpad.net/bugs/414795
[17:19] <ubot3`> Malone bug 414795 in pulseaudio "PC beep no longer works in Karmic alpha4" [Undecided,New]
[18:29] <rtg_> bjf, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/rtg/ubuntu-karmic fsl-imx51 for boot testing. You do have HW, right?
[18:42] <rtg_> ogasawara, how do I change bug duplication? I want to use bug #418781 as the master. bug #417750 is already a duplicate of 418685 and I cannot figure out how to redirect it.
[18:42] <ubot3`> Malone bug 418781 in linux "Karmic 2.6.31-7.27 KSM patchset breaks encrypted swap" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418781
[18:42] <ubot3`> Malone bug 417750 in ubuntu "[Karmic Regression] LUKS Partitions (dup-of: 418685)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417750
[18:42] <ubot3`> Malone bug 418685 in linux "cryptsetup hangs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418685
[18:43] <andresmujica> rtg_: /usr/share/doc/python-launchpad-bugs/examples/move_duplicates.py
[18:44] <rtg_> andresmujica, don't need no steenking python
[18:44] <ogasawara> rtg_: yah unfortunately, if a bug already has duplicates, you have to move those to the new master bug first (ie lp won't auto move them for you)
[18:45] <andresmujica> manually?  you must move first the dupe to the new master bug and then the old master bug move it as dupe from the new one
[18:45] <ogasawara> rtg_: I'll clean it up
[18:45] <rtg_> ogasawara, actually, that was exactly what I was trying to do
[18:46] <ogasawara> rtg_: hrm that's odd, not sure why it wouldn't have worked them.  I'll give it a try.
[18:46] <rtg_> ogasawara, it would help if I knew what button to push :)
[18:46] <bryce> lp can be fussy sometimes
[18:47] <ogasawara> rtg_: I just click on the Duplicate of bug # link under the bug title
[18:47] <rtg_> bryce, you are a master of understatement.
[18:48] <rtg_> ogasawara, which just takes me to the master (the one I don't want to use)
[18:49] <ogasawara> rtg_: hrm, it should pop up a little dialog box for you to enter the new bug#.  at least that's what it's doing here for me.
[18:49] <ogasawara> rtg_: are you on edge?
[18:49] <rtg_> ogasawara, well, we all know you _are_ special.
[18:50] <ogasawara> hehe
[18:50] <rtg_> yep, I'm always on edgwe.
[18:50] <rtg_> edge*
[18:50] <ogasawara> rtg_: I've marked em all as dups of 418781
[18:50] <rtg_> ogasawara, thanks, you're a pal
[18:51] <smb> rtg_, If you are not on edge there might be a little pen icon (yellow) beside it
[18:51] <rtg_> smb, ah! good eye.
[18:52] <smb> Me? Nah. :)
[18:52] <rtg_> I must not be programmed to notice that damned small icon
[18:52] <ogasawara> rtg_: heh, or realize is supposed to resemble a pen
[18:52] <smb> I just have to use them often
[18:52] <rtg_> ok, next time I can do this for myself.
[19:43] <superm1> mjg59, what's up with http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/38439/ ? Is that in good order right now, or are you going to be doing more work on it?
[22:51] <mjg59> superm1: Upstream wants the filtering at the 8042 level, not the generic input level
[22:53] <superm1> mjg59, oh i see.  were you planning on reworking that then soon?
[22:58] <mjg59> Yeah, should do this week. I've been somewhat tied up organising my move.
[23:00] <superm1> mjg59, okay cool.


[00:46] <thumper> babbageclunk: got 5-10 minutes to catch up soonish?
[00:47] <babbageclunk> thumper: sure - give me 2 mins?
[00:47] <thumper> ack
[00:50] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok, take another look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8138 plz?
[00:50] <babbageclunk> thumper: go for babbageclunk
[00:50] <thumper> babbageclunk: 1:1?
[00:51] <babbageclunk> ja
[02:02]  * babbageclunk goes for a run
[02:18] <axw> wallyworld: how do I push a new image into the running k8s without updating the registry? I see Make targets, but I guess I need to configure docker to talk to the remote host somehow?
[02:19] <axw> ah, local-operator-import, not the other one
[02:19]  * axw tries
[02:35] <jam> axw: I don't know if anyone told you, but we're co-opting the tech board today to discuss the interview candidates.
[02:36] <jam> (I just got my reminder for t-b and I meant to cancel the meeting yesterday)
[02:36] <axw> jam: yeah wallyworld mentioned this morning, thanks tho
[02:42] <axw> wallyworld: FYI, with minikube: eval $(minikube docker-env); make operator-image; kubectl set image po/juju-operator-ubuntu juju-operator=juju/caas-jujud-operator:latest
[04:20] <babbageclunk> hey wallyworld: are you happy with https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8138?
[04:20] <wallyworld> looking
[04:22] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: just one small comment fix
[04:22] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: cool thanks!
[04:54] <wallyworld> axw: here's a refactpromg branch to extract common hook command logic https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8150
[05:00] <axw> wallyworld: ok, will take a look after lunch
[05:00] <wallyworld> no rush
[05:38] <axw> wallyworld: not sure why it's showing up as outdated immediately, but I left a comment
[05:38] <axw> wallyworld: also I got the operator downloading/unpacking teh charm, will send a PR soon
[05:38] <wallyworld> axw: ah, sorry. i pushed a change just now - thought you were still at lunch
[05:39] <wallyworld> axw: there's a drive by fix for a windows error, plus i renamed the common/hooks package
[05:39] <wallyworld> yay for thr charm work!
[05:39] <axw> wallyworld: yeah I saw the fix, thanks
[05:39] <axw> rename...
[05:40] <axw> ah I didn't see that
[05:40] <axw> that's fine
[05:40] <wallyworld> axw: ok, i'll rename the hooks/testing package to hookstesting and land.
[05:40] <axw> wallyworld: thanks
[05:41] <wallyworld> axw: so next i'll be extracting common runner stuff so that the operator *could* run a hook if it needed to
[05:41] <axw> wallyworld: sounds good
[05:42] <wallyworld> axw: but that really needs to land first before we mess with the operator itself to get it to run the first hook i think
[05:42] <wallyworld> not sure if you wan tto look a tthat bit
[05:42] <axw> wallyworld: I've still got tests to write for this stuff
[05:42] <wallyworld> k, sounds good
[05:43] <axw> oh and SHA256 validation, nearly forgot
[05:43] <axw> wallyworld: it would be nice if we could just mount the charm in as a volume, but I suppose that's tying too closely to k8s
[05:44] <axw> also would require a custom volume driver I think
[05:44] <wallyworld> yeah, i sort of went there but had the same reservation
[09:06] <rogpeppe> jam: hiya. do you know what happens to panic output from jujud these days? i just did a kill -QUIT of a jujud instance and i don't see any traceback in /var/log/juju/machine-0.log
[09:08] <jam> rogpeppe: I've used SIGQUIT not too long ago, I thought it would have ended up in the machine log. So if you're not seeing that, then we probably have introduced an issue.
[09:08] <rogpeppe> jam: yeah, that's what i'm concerned about
[09:08] <rogpeppe> jam: i'm using 2.2.6
[09:11] <rogpeppe> jam: well /var/lib/juju/init/jujud-machine-0/exec-start.sh *looks* like it should send stderr to /var/log/juju/machine-0.log
[09:18] <rogpeppe> jam: hmm, i think i might see the issue.
[09:18] <rogpeppe> jam: jujud no longer prints its logs to stdout
[09:19] <rogpeppe> jam: so there will be a race between juju's file descriptor and stderr, both going to the same file.
[09:19] <rogpeppe> jam: i'll raise an issue
[09:25] <rogpeppe> jam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1735120
[09:25] <mup> Bug #1735120: jujud panic output does not appear in log <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735120>
[09:53] <axw> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8151
[09:53] <wallyworld> righto
[10:17] <wallyworld> axw: i wonder - the unit currently just gets the charm url and not the url plus sha56. that seems like a bit of an ommission
[10:48] <axw> wallyworld: the uniter? it does get it, it's just buried deep in the bowels
[10:48] <wallyworld> ok
[10:48] <axw> worker/uniter/charm/BundlesDir.download
[10:49] <wallyworld> i haven't looked at that code in a bit - i recalled thr CharmURL() API
[10:57] <jam> wpk: care to review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8152
[11:03] <rogpeppe> jam: do you have any opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1734725 ?
[11:03] <mup> Bug #1734725: add-model sometimes ignores specified region <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734725>
[11:04] <rogpeppe> jam: and do you know of any workaround for it?
[11:06] <jam> axw: are you still around? It seems the new leadership test failed under '--race': bug #1735153
[11:06] <mup> Bug #1735153: state_leader_test LeadershipSuite.TestCheck has a race condition <intermittent-failure> <leadership> <test-failure> <juju:In Progress by jameinel> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735153>
[11:06] <jam> rogpeppe: I haven't paged it in to have a specific opinion yet, I can try to look
[11:07] <axw> jam: looking
[11:07] <jam> axw: there were other failures during --race, one of which is genuine and reproducible and I have a fix for
[11:08] <jam> I haven't reproduced the failure yet
[11:09] <jam> wpk: lgtm on your Clock change
[11:09] <jam> wpk: that's for 'develop', right?
[11:09] <wpk> yes
[11:10] <wpk> well, it's just a test change so it could be backported, but for now freeze is freeze, and it's not critical
[11:17] <jam> wpk: is it blocking us getting a clean run?
[11:17] <jam> in which case, its worth a 2.3 target (as my --race fix is)
[11:18] <wpk> jam: it's -really- rare
[11:27] <jam> wpk: k, then we can not worry about it.
[11:28] <jam> rogpeppe: I'm unable to reproduce bug #1735120, I get a traceback every time with 2.2.6
[11:28] <mup> Bug #1735120: jujud panic output does not appear in log <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735120>
[11:28] <rogpeppe> jam: you see the traceback in machine-0.log ?
[11:29] <jam> rogpeppe: yes
[11:29] <jam> I did a -QUIT about 4 times, and it showed up every time
[11:29] <rogpeppe> jam: i'll try again
[11:30] <jam> if I -QUIT the exec-start.sh it just gets ignored
[11:30] <jam> rogpeppe: so make sure you see the "running jujud" line, which means we really did die and start a new process
[11:30] <jam> also, its certainly possibel that there is a race, but I'm unable to reproduce on LXD or whatever.
[11:33] <rogpeppe> jam: oops, i left jujud stopped, and now i have to work out how to ssh to the localhost machine 0 again...
[11:34] <jam> rogpeppe: lxc list ?
[11:34] <rogpeppe> jam: ssh -i /home/rog/.local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:39] <jam> axw: so the leadership thing doesn't look like a 'drop everything, must fix', just something I came across while digging into  different issue with getting a CI bless
[11:39] <axw> jam: pretty sure I know the issue (bug in test), just verifying now
[11:41] <rogpeppe> jam: ok, so i got a stack trace this time
[11:41] <rogpeppe> jam: but i definitely didn't last time
[11:41] <jam> I'm out for a bit
[12:07] <rogpeppe> jam: thanks for your reply to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1735120
[12:07] <mup> Bug #1735120: jujud panic output does not appear in log <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735120>
[12:08] <rogpeppe> jam: FWIW the problem is made worse because there's no way to find out what credentials are stored on the controller
[12:45] <rogpeppe> jam: i have a theory as to what's happening with the stack trace. not sure of a good way to fix it though. https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1735120
[12:45] <mup> Bug #1735120: jujud panic output does not appear in log <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735120>
[19:07] <thumper> hml: morning
[19:08] <hml> thumper: good morning
[19:08] <thumper> hml: I'd like to chat with you about the cloud-init stuff if you have some tome
[19:08] <thumper> time
[19:08] <hml> thumper: sure - give me a few minutes first
[19:10] <hml> thumper: ready
[19:11] <thumper> hml: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/hml-thumper
[21:09] <thumper> wallyworld: when are you on?
[21:26] <hml> thumper: after looking at our cloud-init for a controller machine - i’m rethinking the list we agreed to, new list is postruncmd, preruncmd and users?
[22:00] <wallyworld> thumper: yep
[22:07] <thumper> hml: I'll go through the doc and comment there, so we have history
[22:07] <thumper> wallyworld: hangout?
[22:07] <wallyworld> sure
[22:08] <thumper> 1:1
[22:09] <hml> thumper: sounds good
[22:37] <thumper> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8153 change is +25/-11, so really not big


[09:30] <fosser_josh> i just visited http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive link and tried ubuntu latest version. i also want to setup weblive in my college lan so that ppl can test the distro and decide weather to install it on system or not. this is jst wanted to do for testing purpose. ppl can try it and decide
[09:30] <fosser_josh> i need help in setting up weblive in lan
[09:40] <fosser_josh> alkisg: please help
[09:41] <alkisg> fosser_josh: I can't help, I've never set it up. This is the right channel for your question though, so wait a few hours, maybe someone will help. Or come another day too, maybe the people that know how to set it up don't monitor the channel today.
[09:41] <fosser_josh> alkisg: k i thought i know it so i asked you


[08:58] <TJ-> Can anyone help with committing the fix for Bug #1879923 (20.04 LTS) and advise how to deal with the later versions since even in 21.10 the same base Debian version is still used
[08:59] <TJ-> (same patch will apply to all 20.04+ releases
[21:40] <mwhudson> haha i've had this machine for slightly more than two years and finally i find an upstream that's still on svn


[10:06] <keesj> Hi
[10:13] <keesj> I am trying to cross compile upstart, for that I would need the nih-dbus-tools to be compiled for the host target and not the target target. did anybody corss compile 0.6.3?
[14:03] <Hatrix> Keybuk: hello keybuk, i was reading some time ago an email from yours where you explain that actually in septembre upstart will be in a state to act as a supervise daemon, is this right on track? As I have to make some decisions regarding a client and what I am going to use to daemon supervising, as I really HATE the djb supervise tool thingy i would LOVE to use upstart
[14:18] <ion> Upstart can already do that for simple cases.
[14:18] <ion> It always has. It just hasn’t been ready for booting the entire system as Upstart jobs.
[14:19] <Hatrix> i can not use it for daemons which forks into the background  ... ?
[14:22] <ion> 0.6 has somewhat working support for it, although 0.10 will do it much better.
[14:28] <Hatrix> hmmm, how do i use it for this forking daemons? i could not get it to work as as soon as the daemon forked, upstart did not now anything about it (state, pid, ...)
[14:36] <plautrba_> Hatrix: you can use expect stanza with daemon or fork, then proccess should be traced for forks by ptrace()
[14:41] <Hatrix> hmmmm
[14:41] <Hatrix> i did not know about the expect stanza, where is the docu for the current stanzas anyway, anyone knows? (besides of the source ...)
[14:42] <Keybuk> Hatrix: man 5 upstart
[14:42] <Hatrix> ray@dev-01:~$ man 5 upstart
[14:42] <Hatrix> No manual entry for upstart in section 5
[14:43] <Hatrix> hmm, seams in my debian upstart 06.2.1-1 package are no manpages ... hmmm
[14:46] <Hatrix> nope, section 5 missing ... ok, i'l grab the source, thanks
[14:47] <Keybuk> err, man 5 init sorry
[14:48] <ion> Which reminds me, i should finish my Upstart manpage changes and post a patch.
[14:49] <sadmac2> Keybuk: you're alive! er.. hi.
[14:49] <Hatrix> got it now ... so expect daemon is if it's running from an init-script, and therefore forks twice and expect fork is a direct call to the daemon, am i right?
[14:50] <Hatrix> and, fearing being kicked of the channel, but, when will the 0.10 be useable, any ideas?
[14:52] <ion> keybuk: Would you mind reformatting all the manpages with your editor (ctrl-meta-z-7-skull-and-crossbones-å-5 or whatever) and committing that change, so i can emulate the proper formatting in my changes?
[14:54] <sadmac2> ion: nobody spells it out like that. C-M-z-7-☠-å-5
[14:54] <ion> Ah
[14:54] <ion> Forgive my lack of emacs-fu
[14:55] <sadmac2> ion: in vim its just :piratedance
[14:56] <ion> One can come up with somewhat obscure things with vim, too. :-P 2006-06-02 17:16:13 < _ion> Vip:norm W"xyE$T_D"xp;gU$
[14:58] <ion> Looking at the IRC log, i typed the line "    normal = Gtk::STATE_NORMAL", duplicated it a few times, replacing normal with active, insensitive, prelight etc. and then wrote that command to replace the Gtk::STATE_* entries with the respective equivalents.
[15:01] <sadmac2> ion: I can't make it work
[15:02] <sadmac2> where did you start?
[15:02] <ion> Vip should “paint” the whole block first, then :norm should do the list of normal-mode commands for each selected line.
[15:04] <sadmac2> ion: that can't be right... maybe I need to be in C++ mode or it doesn't work.
[15:04] <ion> V should start selecting lines, and ip should select the current “paragraph”.
[15:05] <sadmac2> yep
[15:05] <ion> Then :norm applies to that selection
[15:05] <sadmac2> yep
[15:05] <sadmac2> and the results are borked
[15:05] <ion> Did you have the indentation? Without it, you need to drop the W
[15:06] <sadmac2> ah.
[15:07] <sadmac2> ion: this is what macros are for btw.
[15:10] <sadmac2> probably would have just typed out the inital words and then started with '<,'>s/.*/\0 = Gtk::STATE_\0/
[15:10] <ion> Not much difference between :norm and macros. The difference only starts to show when the changes are so complex you need to see them happening while typing the commands.
[15:10] <sadmac2> then gone about uppercasing
[15:10] <sadmac2> ion: for your method I probably would have had a macro to do it to one line then done :norm @q
[15:11] <ion> In fact, you could have uppercased them within the expression. :s/.*/\0 = Gtk::STATE_\U\0/
[15:11] <sadmac2> oh that's right.
[15:12] <ion> But that would have missed the
[15:12] <ion> somethinglong = blah
[15:12] <ion> short         = blah
[15:12] <ion> formatting :-P
[15:13] <sadmac2> not big on that anyway. I end up spending more time on whitespace than code.
[15:39] <sadmac2> ls
[15:40] <sadmac2> ...well its been awhile since that's happened
[15:42] <ion> rm -fr ~
[15:42] <sadmac2> ion: ...you seem to be confused as to how this works
[19:30] <wasabi> byxnet.net
[19:30] <wasabi> Oops


[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:30] <RikMills> santa_: ping
[17:40] <santa_> RikMills: pong
[17:40] <RikMills> santa_: I think we can kopy from landing PPA if ok with you
[17:41] <RikMills> santa_: also fw 5.86.0
[17:41] <santa_> RikMills:that's what I planned to do today
[17:41] <RikMills> I have copied fw to here: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4669/+packages
[17:42] <santa_> RikMills: I still have one last dist-upgrade testfor backports, so once done, I would kopy
[17:42] <santa_> RikMills: nice, please note that for fw 5.86 I needed to update plasma-wayland-protocols
[17:42] <RikMills> the riscv64 fw builds can build there
[17:43] <RikMills> yep, I saw the protocols bump and had already asked Aleix Pol about it
[17:45] <RikMills> while the protocols are apparently 'backward compatible' we shoulod mention it in the fw FFe anyway
[17:52] <RikMills> latte-dock may also need some patches to prevent it segfaulting with 5.86
[17:52] <RikMills> or so some reports suggest
[18:08] <RikMills> yep, it crashes
[18:09] <RikMills> perhaps https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441448
[19:38] <RikMills> new latte release now to fix that
[19:47] <santa_> thanks a lot, I copied the plasma and apps to the regular backports PPA a while ago


[03:14] <nothingman> hi, all
[03:14] <HedgeMage> hello :)
[03:14] <nothingman> howdy, nubae!
[03:14] <nothingman> having trouble now that I have a new chroot directory and (presumably) an image
[03:15] <nothingman> now my laptop's not getting a DHCP address, though my server shows DHCP offers in syslog
[03:15] <nothingman> I assume it's my dhcpd.conf
[03:15] <nothingman> but I don't know how to fix it
[03:15] <nothingman> and then again, the same dhcpd.conf seemed to work
[03:16] <nothingman> it gave an address, but had no image to give so the laptop failed to boot
[03:16] <HedgeMage> I'm afraid that LTSP is not my area of expertise, sorry.
[04:20] <Ahmuck-Jr> nubae: r u around?
[04:32] <Ahmuck> nubae: i'm not sure i'm getting a fat client, you mentioned i could tell by the terminal.  the title in the terminal?  currently the title shows the server.
[09:59] <stmartin> Hello! Is there any math solver for edubuntu?
[10:21] <nubae> Ahmuck, in the terminal u should be able to see the fat client chroot (check by seeing if the file list is different than on the server)
[10:22] <nubae> for example, /opt/ltsp/fati386 will exist only on the server, not in the fatclient
[14:37] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:07] <nubae> greets sbalneav
[15:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> *yawn*.  good morning as well
[15:19] <Ahmuck-Jr> ple, /opt/ltsp/fati386 will exist only on the ser ?
[15:20] <Ahmuck-Jr> as in open a terminal and "ls /opt/ltsp/fati386"
[15:20] <Ahmuck-Jr> it shows on the client
[15:21] <nubae> hmm, then you are not in the fat client
[15:23] <Ahmuck> should i just re-run the script?
[15:24] <nubae> well if fati386.img exists, no
[15:24] <nubae> just make sure in dhcpd.conf that its really grabbing that and not i386
[15:25] <nubae> another way to check is see if blender is installed... that should be there, if u dont have it on the server that is
[15:26] <nubae> I have to run, but write whatever and I'll make sure to answer
[15:30] <Ahmuck> k
[15:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> no, blender is not listed
[18:04] <LaserJock> hi all
[18:05] <LaserJock> any thoughts on setting up an Edubuntu meeting?
[18:52] <Ahmuck> LaserJock: would love to listen in
[18:54] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: just listen?
[18:54] <LaserJock> :-)
[18:55] <Ahmuck-Jr> yes, i agree, that's a bit hard for me to do
[18:55] <Ahmuck-Jr> seriously though, i'd listen rather than rattle
[18:55] <LaserJock> we like rattle
[18:55] <LaserJock> just focused rattle ;-)
[18:56] <Ahmuck-Jr> lol, i'll have to take my meds :)
[18:56] <Ahmuck-Jr> not really, just joking
[18:57] <LaserJock> everybody is welcome at Edubuntu meetings
[19:00] <LaserJock> RichEd: would you be able to make an edubuntu meeting on the 31st?
[19:05] <Ahmuck-Jr> when and where?
[19:06] <RichEd> LaserJock: from here ? http://www.junglejunction.info/bovu.htm ? doubt it :/
[19:07] <LaserJock> pffft, fine, be that way
[19:07] <LaserJock> RichEd: how 'bout the week after?
[19:07] <LaserJock> the 7th of jan.
[19:07] <RichEd> prolly would be fine ... i'll be back from darkest africa in civilised africa by then
[19:08] <LaserJock> "civilised"
[19:08] <LaserJock> I think I'd take the lions over some of those Afrikaners ;-)
[19:08] <RichEd> where we have organised corruption as opposed to random corruption
[19:09] <RichEd> this "little river spot" is 10km from my first backpackers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/81302451@N00/136476218/
[19:10] <LaserJock> wow
[19:10] <RichEd> or this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/babsphotosecosse/2315207770/sizes/o/
[19:11] <LaserJock> amazing
[19:11] <RichEd> the thunder that roars: Mosi-oa-Tunya  : also known to the white man as Victoria Falls
[19:12]  * LaserJock wonders how many times Queen Victoria went to the falls
[19:13] <RichEd> once ... she said "We are not amused"
[19:13] <LaserJock> you serious?
[19:13] <RichEd> no ... that is just a famous quote of hers
[19:13] <Ahmuck> RichEd: is that your photo?
[19:14] <RichEd> Ahmuck: nope ... going back to visist a place I last saw when I was 5 years old
[19:14] <Ahmuck> ah
[19:14] <Ahmuck> know hugin ?
[19:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: I was going to say it would confirm the idea of royal insanity ;-)
[19:14] <RichEd> ^ silly bint has more places named after her than any other women, all named by sycophantic male subjects
[19:15] <LaserJock> good 'ole queen Vic
[19:15] <RichEd> hugin > is that like hooters but a warm and friendly greeting instead of babes ?
[19:17] <RichEd> LaserJock: the were all nutters
[19:17] <RichEd> "He built the toilet in 1596 for his godmother, Queen Elizabeth I (immortalized as the queen who took a bath once a month "whether she need it or not"), and installed it for her use in Richmond Palace"
[19:20] <RichEd> http://images.hostelworld.com/images/hostels/3217_2.jpg also a nice pic