[12:46] <Burgundavia> salut mpt
[07:06] <mpt> hello Burgundavia
[07:07] <Burgundavia> how goes life on saturday?
[07:07] <mpt> well, I have a couple of wounds from rusty nails
[07:07] <Burgundavia> ouch
[07:07] <mpt> but other than that, I'm fine :-)
[07:08] <mpt> Are you in Saturday yet?
[07:08] <Burgundavia> well, emailed usablity with that nautilus-cd stuff
[07:08] <Burgundavia> not yet
[07:08] <Burgundavia> is Friday 22:08
[07:08] <mpt> You're spending a Friday night on IRC?
[07:08] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:09] <Burgundavia> victoria has a very boring nightlife
[07:10] <Burgundavia> now I am figuring out why gnome-network doesn't appear to be built for hoary
[07:10] <mpt> I spent Friday night on IRC *and* drawing Web page mockups
[07:11] <Burgundavia> lol
[07:11] <Burgundavia> are you single?
[07:12] <mpt> No, and I was supposed to call my girlfriend to wake her up at 10pm, but I forgot
[07:12] <Burgundavia> oops
[07:12] <Burgundavia> single, but I still spend a lot of time with my ex
[07:12] <mpt> Fortunately she had prepared for my forgetfulness by setting her alarm clock and arranging for someone else to call her at that time too
[07:12] <Burgundavia> mpt, have you had any thoughts regarding the repository dialog in synaptic
[07:13] <mpt> none at all
[07:13] <Burgundavia> damn
[07:13] <Burgundavia> I haven't had a eureka moment with it yet
[07:13] <mpt> You have 1 broken package on your system!
[07:13] <mpt> Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[07:14] <Burgundavia> under "custom"
[07:14] <Burgundavia> that was the other thought I had
[07:14] <Burgundavia> merge status and custom
[07:14] <Burgundavia> and remember old searchs
[07:14] <mpt> those buttons are just wrong
[07:15] <mpt> ok, I've found the broken package, now what do I do
[07:15] <Burgundavia> what is it?
[07:15] <mpt> bazaar-dbg
[07:15] <Burgundavia> no idea
[07:15] <Burgundavia> probably needs a dependency that it didn't find, our you installed it with dpkg
[07:15] <mpt> Because I was on bazaar COTM, and I downgraded to bazaar 1.3.2, but didn't downgrade bazaar-dbg at the same time
[07:15] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:16] <mpt> ah, upgrading it requires upgrading bazaar too
[07:16] <mpt> well, now that I have 1.25 GB RAM...
[07:16] <mpt> ok, let's look at this repositories dialog
[07:16] <Burgundavia> here is a UI thought, drop the search button and merge status and custom
[07:16] <mpt> "Building repository dialog / Please wait." is just Wrong
[07:17] <Burgundavia> you got your mac back yet?
[07:17] <mpt> no, it's supposed to be arriving in a day or two
[07:17] <mpt> "synaptic" as the window title is also wrong
[07:17] <Burgundavia> filed a bug already, been fixed
[07:18] <mpt> "You can add and remove authentication keys in this dialog."
[07:18] <mpt> Quit telling me about dialogs
[07:19] <mpt> That's like going to a person and saying "Can you help me?", and they don't say "Yes, I can help you", they say "Yes, I'm a human who can help you"
[07:19] <Burgundavia> the window needs a title, no?
[07:19] <mpt> yes
[07:19] <Burgundavia> here is my redesign bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10453
[07:19] <mpt> and if the "Add" button has text rather than just being a "+", it should end in "..."
[07:19] <Burgundavia> not really fleshed out yet
[07:20] <Burgundavia> what does restore default keys do? is there a way to do that without having to bother the user?
[07:20] <mpt> What did you mean by "adding a custom dialog"?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> sorry, custom repo
[07:21] <mpt> ah
[07:21] <Burgundavia> that wasn't my most inspired piece of writing
[07:21] <Burgundavia> in fact, it is total crap
[07:21] <Burgundavia> I think I will rewrite
[07:21] <Burgundavia> but I need a consistent vision
[07:22] <mpt> I just had the (untitled) Repository Settings dialog open, but now I switched away from it and switched back, it's gone, and nothing works in any of the other windows
[07:22] <mpt> gtk-bug! :-)
[07:23] <mpt> W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:23] <Burgundavia> that happens sometimes
[07:23] <Burgundavia> time errors cause it
[07:24] <mpt> The first thing I noticed about Synaptic was that it had two Search buttons
[07:24] <mpt> and that the second seemed to do anything
[07:24] <Burgundavia> generally, everytime I think about synaptic and how to fix it, I run away crying
[07:24] <mpt> didn't seem to do anything, I mean
[07:24] <Burgundavia> hmm, yes
[07:25] <Burgundavia> should be dropped for the typeahead style, ala web browser entry bars
[07:25] <mpt> yeah
[07:25] <mpt> Who's the programmer here?
[07:25] <mpt> the programmer for synaptic, I mean
[07:25] <Burgundavia> however, I think they want to pour resources into a new package installer, rather than fix synaptic
[07:25] <Burgundavia> no idea
[07:26] <mpt> Who's they?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> distro team
[07:26] <Burgundavia> canonical in general
[07:26] <Burgundavia> tie the new software installer into launchpad
[07:27] <mpt> Is this under http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs somewhere?
[07:27] <mpt> It's not in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration
[07:28] <mpt> ah, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageManagementRoadmap
[07:28] <Burgundavia> yep, thats it
[07:29] <Burgundavia> not currently a breezy goal
[07:29] <Burgundavia> so I guess I had better start filing bugs on syn
[07:30] <mpt> I don't like the idea of package management in general, but I guess it's essential on a system where you can't rely on anything in particular being installed
[07:31] <mpt> so maybe have two tabs, "Installed Packages" and "Available Packages"
[07:32] <Burgundavia> and a simple search dialog
[07:32] <mpt> nah, a search field at the top of each tab
[07:32] <mpt> like you said earlier
[07:33] <Burgundavia> should I file a bug about a complete synaptic redesign?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> think that is worth it?
[07:33] <mpt> Have you ever in your life seen a bug report like that get used and marked fixed?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:34] <mpt> I don't think that's the sort of thing bug reports are good for
[07:34] <Burgundavia> yah
[07:34] <Burgundavia> that is the other thing that stopped me
[07:34] <Burgundavia> I don't no who the synaptic upstream is
[07:35] <Burgundavia> hmm, used to be connectiva
[07:35] <mpt> http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/contribute.html
[07:35] <Burgundavia> mvo is the debian maintainer
[07:35] <mpt> one of the maintainers is Michael Vogt, who's also the Ubuntu Bugzilla assignee
[07:36] <Burgundavia> ya
[07:36] <Burgundavia> mvo = Michael Vogt
[07:37] <mpt> Put it down as a BoF for the next conference :-)
[07:37] <Burgundavia> I think I will put together something for -devel and see where it goes
[07:37] <mpt> Then I can wiki a design spec for it
[07:38] <Burgundavia> there are bits and pieces of a design spec
[07:38] <mpt> where?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> we talked about it in # -devel a few months back
[07:39] <Burgundavia> and there are bits with gnome-app-install
[07:40] <mpt> gnome-app-install?
[07:40] <mpt> Hmm, I seem to have that installed somewhere
[07:40] <Burgundavia> the applications-->system tools-->add/remove programs
[07:41] <Burgundavia> that half formed mess
[07:41] <mpt> oh, man, why is that a separate app
[07:41] <mpt> why why why
[07:41] <Burgundavia> that is the attempt to make a new app installer
[07:42] <mpt> haha
[07:42] <Burgundavia> dying on the alter of no-time
[07:43] <mpt> I just spent a few minutes choosing a pile of stuff to install, clicked "Apply", and ... "You must run this program as the root user"
[07:43] <Burgundavia> oops
[07:43] <Burgundavia> it should do that by default
[07:43] <Burgundavia> oh, you ran from the commandline
[07:43] <mpt> yes
[07:44] <mpt> Not that that should have made a difference
[07:44] <Burgundavia> there was talk of a RequiresRoot in the .desktop file, so that programs that require root just take it
[07:44] <mpt> It should have asked me for my password either way
[07:45] <Burgundavia> hmm, there are a lot of things that we want to hide from the average user that are very useful for the power user, like dependencies
[07:46] <mpt> However. I shall concentrate on my BreezyGoals.
[07:46] <Burgundavia> what are yours?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> I will think out a new design, and play with it
[07:46] <mpt> Launchpad 1.0, and fix the Ubuntu Help
[07:47] <Burgundavia> you being paid for number 2?
[07:47] <mpt> and design the new hardware data collection tool
[07:47] <mpt> no
[07:47] <Burgundavia> oh
[07:47] <mpt> Maybe I should have said "Breezy goals" rather than "BreezyGoals" :-)
[07:47] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:48] <mpt> Hmmm, it might be good to set a target of bugs to report before Breezy too
[07:48] <Burgundavia> lol
[07:49] <jsgotangco> ewwwww
[07:49] <Burgundavia> I also filed this --> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10454
[07:49] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, huh?
[07:49] <jsgotangco> i found my old P166 Sony Vaio PC
[07:49] <jsgotangco> and just booted it up
[07:50] <Burgundavia> does it run windows?
[07:50] <jsgotangco> aye win98
[07:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:50] <jsgotangco> it still woks though
[07:50] <jsgotangco> keyboarrd is pretty bad though
[07:52] <jsgotangco> this can be fixed
[07:53] <Burgundavia> mpt, what was that about the add and remove buttons
[07:57] <Burgundavia> mpt,  "Authentication keys allow the verification of the software you download"
[07:57] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you can comment as well
[07:59] <jsgotangco> verfication of what
[07:59] <jsgotangco> authenticity?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> good point
[07:59] <Burgundavia> I am filing bugs surrounding synaptic
[08:00] <Burgundavia> open the repo dialog in synaptic and look at authentication
[08:02] <Burgundavia> "Authentication keys allow are used to check software integrity"
[08:03] <Burgundavia> "Authentication keys are used to check software integrity"
[08:17] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: you still thinkin of moving to NA?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> mpt, I think I just realised why the repo add dialog was bugging me so much. There is a visual disconnect between the add dialog and the show repo dialog
[09:07] <mpt> hey now
[09:08] <mpt> Burgundavia: Why is the "Ubuntu 5.04 Security Updates" repository turned off by default?!?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> mpt, I don't think it is. The repo add thing doesn't reflect what repos are actually there
[09:09] <mpt> Burgundavia: And I challenge you to find a single window in Synaptic that has a correct title (i.e. a title that (a) exists, (b) accurately describes the purpose of the window, and (c) doesn't end in punctuation)
[09:09] <Burgundavia> mpt, hmm, I don't think I am going to take that bet
[09:10] <mpt> No, I just added the Security Updates repository, and now I have three rather than two
[09:10] <Burgundavia> the whole add dialog thing is very fragile
[09:10] <mpt> Yes, switch to another window, then switch back to it, it disappears
[09:10] <Burgundavia> I was speaking more on the editing your sources.list
[09:11] <mpt> "The repository information has changes. A backup copy of your sources.list is stored in /etc/apt/sources.list.save. You need to reload the package list from the servers for your changes to take effect. Do you want to do this now?" ( No, I Was Just Adding the Repository For Fun ) ( Yes )
[09:12] <Burgundavia> probably it should just reload?
[09:12] <mpt> yes
[09:12] <Burgundavia> ok, will file a bug about that
[09:12] <Burgundavia> poor mvo
[09:12] <mpt> Rather than filing a bug that the alert is incorrectly titled "Information" :-)
[09:13] <mpt> So gaim, gzip, Firefox, and OpenOffice, amongst others, were insecure on my system because the Security Updates repository was off by default.
[09:14] <Burgundavia> done
[09:14] <Burgundavia> gah
[09:14] <mpt> gah?
[09:15] <Burgundavia> wrong window
[09:15] <Burgundavia> check out the "set internal option" option
[09:16] <Burgundavia> and add cdrom is not with the add repos dialog
[09:18] <Burgundavia> bugzilla is horrible at sorting bugs
[09:27] <mpt> It's going to be another 24 minutes and 6 seconds before I can explore Synaptic further
[09:27] <mpt> That's another bug ... It's almost certainly not going to be 24 minutes and 6 seconds, it should just say "about 24 minutes"
[09:27] <Burgundavia> oh, you upgrading?
[09:27] <mpt> that whole window needs redesigning, really
[09:27] <mpt> Yeah, I'm installing the security updates
[09:28] <Burgundavia> the whole gui needs a redesign
[09:28] <Burgundavia> that is what is so scary, and can really be best done at a bof
[09:28] <mpt> It'd take longer than a BoF
[09:28] <Burgundavia> how about a hackfest week?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> and some good user studies?
[09:28] <mpt> When I was at UDU I had no time to finish any design specs, it was scary
[09:29] <Burgundavia> I gather UDU was crazy
[09:29] <mpt> Well, I haven't been to any other distro meetings, so I've got nothing to compare it to
[09:29] <Burgundavia> nor have I
[09:30] <Burgundavia> well, Mataro wasn't that crazy
[09:30] <Burgundavia> morning of bofs, afternoon of hack
[09:30] <Burgundavia> here is another one, the right-click and package menu are subtly different
[09:37] <mpt> in what way?
[09:37] <Burgundavia> gossip only does jabber, no aim/yahoo/icq
[09:37] <Burgundavia> but gossip is very very cool
[09:38] <Burgundavia> higgy and simple
[09:38] <mpt> ah
[09:38] <Burgundavia> and the icons rock
[09:38] <mpt> I'll install it in 12 minutes and 54 seconds and see
[09:38] <mpt> Things that look like checkboxes should check when you click them
[09:39] <mpt> they shouldn't open a menu
[09:39] <Burgundavia> where?
[09:39] <mpt> in the package list
[09:39] <Burgundavia> oh, yes
[09:39] <mpt> if you want to offer some choices, fine, but dont' make it look like a checkbox
[09:39] <mpt> make it look like a menu
[09:39] <mpt> the Microsoft Office installer gets that right.
[09:39] <Burgundavia> and then have a bunch of stuff greyed out
[09:41] <mpt> http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/inst08.gif
[09:42] <Burgundavia> yes, but the dialog is mostly evil elsewhere
[09:42] <mpt> what dialog?
[09:42] <mpt> I'm *just* talking about the checkboxes
[09:42] <Burgundavia> the installer
[09:43] <Burgundavia> what would you call the green square?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> status icon?
[09:44] <mpt> I wouldn't
[09:44] <Burgundavia> oh
[09:45] <Burgundavia> what would you call it?
[09:45] <mpt> I'd change it to a menu, as used in the MS Office installer
[09:45] <mpt> except make it an option menu, rather than a pull-down menu
[09:45] <Burgundavia> did you just read my bug report?
[09:45] <mpt> what bug report?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10761
[09:46] <Burgundavia> been filing like mad while we talk
[09:48] <mpt> well, that depends on how useful the other options are
[09:48] <mpt> I can't remember, and I can't see them a.t.m.
[09:49] <Burgundavia> the other options are complete remove and reinstall
[09:49] <Burgundavia> for an installed package
[09:49] <Burgundavia> forgot about upgrade
[09:50] <Burgundavia> just added that
[09:51] <Burgundavia> "*   The problem is so bad on Windows that there is a Desktop  Cleanup Wizard."
[09:51] <mpt> yeah
[09:51] <mpt> I don't know the difference between Remove and Completely Remove
[09:52] <Burgundavia> completely remove does the config files as well
[09:53] <mpt> what is this
[09:53] <mpt> "Debconf on ubuntu"
[09:53] <mpt> "What would you like to do about postgresql.conf?"
[09:53] <Burgundavia> where is that from?
[09:54] <mpt> It popped up during the installation
[09:54] <Burgundavia> hmm, odd, no idea
[09:55] <mpt> I chose "show the difference between the versions" and clicked Forward, and it seems to have hung
[09:55] <Burgundavia> oh
[09:55] <Burgundavia> what is your cpu doing?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> it may be grinding away, apt is not very optomised
[09:56] <mpt> Cpu(s): 10.6% us,  1.0% sy,  0.0% ni, 88.1% id,  0.0% wa,  0.3% hi,  0.0% si
[09:57] <Burgundavia> hmm, idle
[09:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.metallikop.com/images/blog/wptray-lg.png
[09:58] <Burgundavia> run away now
[09:59] <mpt> and now I think synaptic as a whole is going to be waiting forever for debconf to tell it it's finished
[10:00] <mpt> hehe, "More Options"
[10:00] <mpt> "recursive directory links will lockup [sic]  the program"
[10:01] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?page=4 <-- someone needs to increase the size of page links here
[10:01] <Burgundavia> at the bottom
[10:01] <mpt> I don't mind, I have my minimum font size set to 10px
[10:03] <Burgundavia> geez gnome-look.org is filled with ubuntu backgrounds
[10:06] <mpt> heh, I noticed
[10:06] <mpt> anyway, time for work
[10:07] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:07] <Burgundavia> thanks
[10:08] <mpt> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> it should just do that for you
[10:09] <mpt> indeed.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> you going to file a bug on that?
[10:10] <mpt> No, I'm going to get back to work
[11:07] <Burgundavia> salut enrico
[11:10] <enrico> hi
[11:19] <Burgundavia> enrico, how is life going?
[11:19] <enrico> not too bad
[11:19] <enrico> although this afternoon I'll be at a marriage and I'm not fond of loong social events
[11:19] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:35] <Burgundavia> salut mdke
[12:29] <abelli> ciao
[03:33] <froud> enrico: hi, thanks
[03:34] <froud> enrico: you home?
[03:42] <enrico> froud: for little
[03:42] <enrico> froud: gotta go to a marriage
[03:42] <enrico> froud: does it build for you?
[03:42] <froud> thanks for that
[03:42] <froud> have not tested yet
[03:43] <froud> just been generating unique id values
[03:43] <froud> you think we need to upload it to debian for now
[03:43] <froud> can it wait a bit
[03:44] <enrico> sure we can wait
[03:44] <froud> I was thinking I would try it out on my system, then get some of the people on the team to try it
[03:44] <froud> then iron out bugs
[03:44] <froud> and then do deb and ubuntu
[03:44] <enrico> maybe it's better to upload it in Debian with an HTML version as well, since there's no direct need to have it as a build-dep there
[03:45] <froud> yes, can do
[03:45] <abelli_> ai
[03:45] <froud> I will make the deb available from the web site
[03:45] <froud> hello abelli
[03:45] <froud> As a test case I will impliment it on the generic installation guide
[03:46] <froud> that way people in the team can see what it does, how it works
[03:48] <froud> enrico: ok will keep you posted
[03:48] <froud> enrico: with regard to how it works I have added to README
[03:48] <froud> http://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/project/web-sample.html
[03:51] <enrico> froud: nice!  Is the README inside dict/ ?
[03:56] <froud> enrico: Uh no, in trunk/
[03:56] <froud> good point
[04:02] <froud> now it is
[04:04] <enrico> you can put it inside debian/
[04:04] <enrico> froud: if you don't like it just inside dict
[04:04] <froud> nah it's ok in dict
[04:05] <enrico> froud: cool!  cdbs found the README and included it in the package by itself
[04:05] <enrico> no need for me to update the packaging! :)
[04:06] <froud> yeah ;-)
[04:06] <froud> I dont think there will ever be much need to update it
[04:06] <froud> the tree is very stable
[09:04] <mdke> this piece of shit router


[02:05] <z1haze> does anyone have any free time, and can help me understand how to setup virtual machines on my server? im really in need of help, and I cant find any anywhere
[02:09] <TJ-> z1haze: what type of VMs?
[02:10] <z1haze> kvm
[02:10] <zartoosh> hi how could i download debian package without installing ? thx
[02:10] <TJ-> Qemu then; what are you using to manage it? libvirt/virsh or native qemu/kvm ?
[02:11] <z1haze> i TJ- i followed this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-12.04-lts and I completed it
[02:11] <z1haze> i believe its libvirt/virsh
[02:11] <z1haze> i went ahead and bought an additional IP from my server provider as well
[02:11] <TJ-> zartoosh: "man apt-get" and see "--download-only"
[02:11] <TJ-> z1haze: You have a dedicated bare metal server?
[02:12] <z1haze> i dont know what you mean bare metal, but yes its a dedicated machine
[02:13] <TJ-> z1haze: Well, many hosting providers supply virtual machines, so I was ensuring that you weren't trying a nested VM
[02:13] <z1haze> no, its a dedicated box
[02:13] <z1haze> full dedicated
[02:13] <z1haze> that im certain of
[02:13] <TJ-> You should be able to manage with the CLI virsh .... but I'd recommend starting out on a local PC getting used to it, where you can make mistakes easily
[02:14] <z1haze> the only linux i have is on the server
[02:14] <z1haze> Ive got it all installed correctly i THINK
[02:14] <TJ-> z1haze: Ahhh :)
[02:15] <z1haze> ive just not been able to get a lick of help and its so frustrating, iwant to created several vps on this machine because I need to let people use them
[02:15] <TJ-> z1haze: Well, play about with virsh with VMs you can dispose of if you go wrong, don't try for your production VMs with your first usage of virsh/libvirt/qemu
[02:15] <z1haze> thats fine by me, im just stuck i dont really know what to do next
[02:16] <TJ-> There are several Ubuntu so-called 'cloud' tools but they are more targeted at larger multi-server installations that require orchestrated management
[02:16] <z1haze> that probably would be best for me then.
[02:16] <TJ-> z1haze: I generally start off with the man-pages
[02:17] <z1haze> well I did create one vm
[02:17] <TJ-> there's the "vm-builder" tool that may help
[02:17] <z1haze> but im not sure how to assign the ip I bought to it, etc.. there isnt really instructions on that
[02:17] <z1haze> yes thats what im using!
[02:18] <z1haze> when i do virsh list --all it says my vm1 and state is shut off
[02:19] <z1haze> but the ip i typed in when i ran the vm builder was not the correct ip.. i didnt know I had tobuy a new ip from my host
[02:19] <z1haze> I think I just need help like tying in my new ip with the vm i created?
[02:19] <TJ-> z1haze: Well that's more a networking issue, for routing. If that IP is being rooted to the bare-metal NIC, then you either need to add a route for that IP to the VM's interface, or create bridge so the host and VMs are all the same Ethernet domain
[02:19] <z1haze> would you please help me with that?
[02:20] <z1haze> i spent all evening last night getting this far
[02:20] <TJ-> z1haze: That's really complicated stuff, it'll take time for you to figure it all, I'd figure on allowing at least a week to understand it all fully.
[02:20] <z1haze> a week just to get a single vps up?
[02:21] <z1haze> that link that I pasted a bit ago was the tutorial I followed did you look at it?
[02:21] <TJ-> z1haze: have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Virsh
[02:22] <z1haze> yes i have done all that
[02:22] <z1haze> http://puu.sh/aDMy7/b15bba38e8.png
[02:22] <TJ-> z1haze: No, not to get a single VPS up - to *learn* how to admin this kind of network and VM configuration
[02:22] <z1haze> its technically there, i just dont know how to put the ip to it, and make it functional
[02:23] <TJ-> z1haze: You're working with amazingly complicated software; it's not a click-and-forget type of thing, experimentation is the bets way to learn
[02:24] <z1haze> i just dont know what to experiiment with, theres literally nothing ive found on the internet related to what im trying to do, or at least from my eyes
[02:27] <TJ-> z1haze: That's why it helps to have a local machine you can play around/develop on
[02:27] <z1haze> TJ- does that screen shot me i have setup a vm?
[02:27] <z1haze> mean*
[02:32] <TJ-> z1haze: Yes, it tell you it is shut off
[02:32] <z1haze> yes, because I shut it off
[02:33] <z1haze> because I dont know how to setup an ip to it from my host
[05:37] <z1haze> can someone help me setup my kvm so to use with an external ip?
[05:37] <z1haze> ive created a vm with vmbuilder but i dont know how to link it with a public ip that i purchased
[05:41] <z1haze> ill pay someone to show me
[05:41] <z1haze> fuck it
[05:42]  * Abhijit raises hand!
[05:44] <z1haze> k
[05:44] <z1haze> really sad no one wants to help without getting paid but its cool w/e
[05:44] <z1haze> how much
[05:47] <Abhijit> err....was just joking ....
[05:47] <Abhijit> sorry.
[05:47] <z1haze> no ill pay
[05:47] <z1haze> idc
[05:47] <Abhijit> z1haze, meanwhile try in ##linux
[05:47] <z1haze> ive been in here for 2 days asking, no one bats an eye
[05:48] <z1haze> im doing it on ubuntu
[05:48] <Abhijit> z1haze, in these 2 days you should have tried askubuntu.com server fault etc
[05:48] <Abhijit> z1haze, ##linux is general linux channel
[05:48] <z1haze> ive been following tutorials and such
[05:48] <z1haze> i was able to create a vm
[05:49] <z1haze> with vmbuilder and virsh w/e its called
[05:49] <z1haze> it says its there and i can start it
[05:49] <z1haze> but i dont know how to make it to where i can connect to it publicly
[05:49] <Abhijit> i think the public ip is done throught switch?
[05:49] <Abhijit> do you have kvm switch?
[05:50] <z1haze> i dont know.
[05:50] <z1haze> im far from being a linux sufficient user, i rent a dedicated server that has ubuntu and thats all i know
[05:50] <z1haze> i follwed this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-12.04-lts and was able to create a vm
[05:51] <z1haze> from that ive got nothing.. no way to connect to it to use it, or no way to assign it a new ip
[05:51] <Abhijit> talk to your hosting provider. he can connect it to public ip for you. under your regular support.
[05:51] <z1haze> no, they dont
[05:51] <z1haze> they dont do anything
[05:52] <Abhijit> did they told so exclusively?
[05:52] <z1haze> believe me ive called, cause i fucked the whole network a bit ago i called
[05:52] <z1haze> i had to boot in rescue mode and fix the network interface file
[05:52] <z1haze> and he told me, we dont offer any software support
[05:53] <z1haze> so yes, exclusively
[05:54] <Abhijit> time to go to elance.com for odesk. someone with good reputation and reviews.
[05:54] <z1haze> what?
[05:54] <z1haze> what are you talking about
[05:54] <z1haze> oh you mean back to paying someone
[05:54] <z1haze> gotcha
[05:55] <Abhijit> time to hire someone. those website will help you hire good linux sys admins
[05:55] <Abhijit> :-P
[05:55] <z1haze> yep
[05:55] <z1haze> i guess you dont have knowledge of doing what im trying to do?
[05:55] <z1haze> i never imagined setting up a vps would be so diffilcult
[05:57] <Abhijit> i dont have knowledge of troubleshooting kvm and its public ip. otherwise i am well knowledged with linux server related stuff. some info in pm
[08:13] <Tazmain> hi all when I try mount my server's file system with sshfs I keep getting connection reset by peer how do I fix that ?
[08:16] <sarnold> Tazmain: can you ssh to it from that same client?
[08:16] <sarnold> Tazmain: if you can ssh to it, can you sftp to it?
[08:16] <Tazmain> sarnold, I can ssh perfectly fine. I use to be able to sshfs not sure why I can't now
[08:19] <Tazmain> sarnold, if I sftp to it and specify just a directory is it suppose to do anything or just sit there waiting for input ?
[08:20] <Tazmain> I got  connection timed out
[08:20] <sarnold> Tazmain: interesting. timed out on the one hand, connection reset by peer on the other.
[08:20] <Tazmain> yea :(
[08:22] <sarnold> Tazmain: are there any messages in the auth.log or syslog?
[08:24] <Tazmain> is this an issue client or server side ?
[08:25] <Tazmain> I will have a look now
[08:27] <sarnold> Tazmain: probably server side, but you never know..
[08:35] <Tazmain> both logs are clean
[08:35] <Tazmain> nothing shows up when I try sshf. I was tailing the files.
[08:43] <alex88> hi guys, I've a strange problem, df shows 13gb used in a partition, going into that mount point and doing a du instead, shows only 3gb used
[08:43] <alex88> what could be the problem?
[08:50] <peetaur2> alex88: lsof -Pn /mountpoint/ | grep deleted
[08:51] <peetaur2> alex88: deleted files that are open (the o in lsof = open.... 'list open files') still take space
[09:02] <alex88> peetaur2: none
[09:03] <peetaur2> alex88: okay well maybe you just missed it with du... try cd / and then use ncdu instead of du
[09:04] <alex88> peetaur2: mmhh dunno why, space dropped down to 900mb used :S
[09:07] <alex88> dunno if after the lsof or ncdu on root point but that's strange
[09:10] <peetaur2> why 900 MB and not 3GB used?
[09:10] <alex88> because I removed also some old software releases
[09:10] <peetaur2> ok
[09:10] <alex88> so it's correct now
[09:10] <alex88> maybe it was logstash using the access logs but the files were about 1-2gb in size, not 10
[09:11] <alex88> (I also restarted logstash)
[09:13] <Noskcaj> zul, jamespage: I've made the mistake of syncing python-wsme. This added depends on python-turbogears2 and python-transaction, which were meant to be added in 0.6-1. The code seems to needs these, so should i be dropping the depends or filing MIRs
[09:14] <alex88> well let's consider this as solved, many other things to do, thanks anyway peetaur2!
[09:22] <Tazmain> sarnold, got it fixed by using the server's ip
[11:05] <rbasak> zul or hallyn: bug 1350727 sounds like it needs looking at.
[13:37] <jak2000> hi all good morning
[13:38] <jak2000> any advice? about this eth0 problem?
[13:38] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/9439533
[13:39] <jak2000> i changed auto lo by auto eth0 static  try again sudo ifup eth0 y get this error message:
[13:39] <jak2000> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[13:43] <pmatulis> jak2000: what about 'sudo ifdown eth0' first?
[13:44] <pmatulis> should bring interface down, make the change, then bring it back up
[13:44] <jak2000> RTNETLINK answers: No such process
[13:44] <fridaynext> I'm having trouble mounting my 'TV' NFS share - everything else works except for it (in OSX 10.9 client) http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZWurZ4tt
[13:44] <fridaynext> NFS share is on an Ubuntu 14.04.1 Server machine.
[13:45] <fridaynext> it looks like my settings are exactly the same, so I can't figure out why it won't connect...
[13:46] <fridaynext> and my OSX uid owns all the folders... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JNW00ZuU
[13:46] <fridaynext> so it should work - like 4 out of the 5 do, but the TV folder isn't working
[13:47] <fridaynext> is there a minimum character length required for an NFS share folder?
[13:50] <samba35> i want to start guest after some interval of host start   (have two guest  -want to start 1st guest after 50 sec  abd 2nd guest after 100 sec )  in redhat i think it can be achive with this method but could not find with ubunut can you  please tell me how it can be done
[13:50] <samba35> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Virtualization_Administration_Guide/sect-gracefully-shut-down-guests-libvirt.html
[13:55] <pmatulis> samba35: start the guests using a script.  possibly triggered using the @reboot in cron
[13:55] <hallyn> rbasak: yup, there are a few bugs in libvirt hta tneed looking at
[13:56] <samba35> sorry i am very dull in script writing
[13:57] <samba35> can you please give me some idea ,do you have any link for the same
[14:00] <lordievader> samba35: sleep 50&&virsh start <vm1>&&sleep 100&&virsh start <vm2>; but then in a better readable form ;)
[14:02] <samba35> lordievader: ok ,but i am using virt-manager to start guest ,then how this trick can be achive
[14:02] <jak2000> pmatulis any other advice? thanks
[14:02] <Nivex> virsh edit nameofvm

[14:03] <lordievader> samba35: Same way, virt-manager is the gui counterpart of virsh, virsh is the console part.
[14:03] <samba35> ok thanks
[14:03] <lordievader> samba35: So use virsh ;)
[14:05] <samba35> it can be added to runlevel startup script ?
[14:05] <Nivex> oh wait, that's the action to perform when the guest requests it. hang on, I know it's in there somewhere
[14:06] <Nivex> virsh autostart nameofvm
[14:06] <Nivex> even easier
[14:06] <Nivex> and if you need to turn it off: virsh autostart nameofvm --disable
[14:07] <Nivex> the libvirt init scripts already honor that flag. no further changes required.
[14:07] <lordievader> Nivex: But does it do the delay?
[14:09] <Nivex> oh, I missed that part. why the delay?
[14:10] <samba35> what if all guest try to start at same time
[14:11] <lordievader> Then your server is busy for a bit.
[14:11] <samba35> i don't have good cpu and ram on machine ,when guest start it consume 100 % cpu for long time but after boot it remain steady 10-20 %
[14:14] <samba35> ok i have another problem with virtualization ,i have 2 guest 1st gues is utm software ,and it give other guest and host ip from dhcp but every time i have to start this command then only i am able to start guest
[14:15] <samba35> ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:15] <samba35> this i tryed to add with rc.local but it did not work for me but after guest start if i run ifconfig eth <IP_ADDRESS> the all things work finr
[14:16] <samba35> fine
[14:16] <samba35> delay start is good feature which is there in vmware esxi also i use that
[14:17] <apb1963> I'm trying to login to a Lantronix Spider KVM console... the console comes up, but I'm unable to type in it.  Any ideas?  I get the same results with either chrome or firefox
[14:18] <pmatulis> samba35: i agree that it's a neat feature.  open a wishlist libvirt bug
[14:19] <pmatulis> dunno what 'Lantronix Spider KVM console' is but it sounds mighty kewl
[14:20] <apb1963> It's a piece of hardware that lets you access a machine over IP, as if you were at the console.
[14:20] <apb1963> Lantronix makes it. Spider is the model.
[14:21] <hallyn> rbasak: (it's been in my inbox for awhile just haven't gotten around ot setting up a reproduction)
[14:23] <rbasak> hallyn: no worries. Just thought I should draw attention to it.
[14:23] <rbasak> hallyn: I failed to reproduce in the default case. The bridge might have something to do with it, but that seemed awkward to reproduce on canonistack.
[14:25] <pmatulis> apb1963: ;)
[14:32] <samba35> virt and virsh is part of kvm or libvirt ?
[14:38] <hallyn> rbasak: yup, i'll try locally in a vm
[14:51] <jak2001> arghh cant configure eth0
[14:51] <jak2001> http://pastie.org/9444405
[14:51] <jak2001> anyone can help
[14:53] <lordievader> jak2001: Are your network settings correct? It complains the network is unreachable.
[14:54] <jak2001> lordievader: http://pastie.org/9444462
[14:55] <lordievader> jak2001: Your ip address is wrong, and I have my doubts about the netmask.
[14:56] <jak2001> i am configure.... for test
[14:56] <jak2001> you tell me (please) which change?
[14:57] <lordievader> jak2001: I don't know how you've configured your network, or what you want the ip to be but it needs to be in the range of <IP_ADDRESS>-255 and I'd change the netmask to <IP_ADDRESS>, but that might be different for your network.
[14:58] <lordievader> jak2001: Set it to dhcp and copy those settings, that is the easiest.
[14:58] <jak2001> my ip adress is: 192.168.0.x and gw: <IP_ADDRESS> and netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:59] <jak2001> how to check if i have the correct driver installed of my eth0
[15:00] <lordievader> jak2001: Does it show up under ifconfig or ip?
[15:05] <jak2001> my ip adress is: 192.168.0.x and gw: <IP_ADDRESS> and netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:05] <jak2001> sorry: ifconfig
[15:07] <punkgeek> File '/tmp/db_import.txt' not found (Errcode: 13)   why i get this error?
[15:07] <punkgeek> perm is ok, but i dont know why i get this error wehn import mysql db
[15:07] <punkgeek> MY123<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[15:09] <ahmadgbg> Hi, im currently installing ubuntu server with software raid. I have a question about swap area. Do i need it if i have 16GB Ram?
[15:10] <xnox> ahmadgbg: yes.
[15:10] <ahmadgbg> xnox: How much?
[15:11] <xnox> ahmadgbg: 16GB =)
[15:11] <ahmadgbg> xnox: Im going to have raid 6 with 5 drives.  Im going to use a raid 1 for ubuntu with two 80 GB. Should the swap area be on both raids or just raid 1
[15:16] <ahmadgbg> xnox, it will fix the swap area by itself
[15:16] <ahmadgbg> ?
[15:17] <xnox> yes.
[15:17] <ahmadgbg> nice :D
[15:17] <ahmadgbg> xnox: thanks
[15:17] <xnox> assembled raid device, e.g. /dev/md127, is a block device which one can partition and e.g. have "/" ext4 on /dev/md127p1 and swap swapfs on /dev/md127p2 etc...
[15:18] <xnox> thus you don't need to do on the drives themself (e.g. /dev/sdb, etc.)
[15:19] <ahmadgbg> xnox, but i have to create partitions for the swap area?
[15:20] <jak2000> lordievader:   http://pastie.org/9444502
[15:20] <xnox> ahmadgbg: please see ubuntu-server installation guide, advanced installation, raid. It walks step by step, through correct way to create raid device and perform installation onto it.
[15:20] <ahmadgbg> xnox, ok..
[15:24] <coreycb> rbasak, have a sec for exim4 merge question? :)
[15:24] <rbasak> coreycb: sure!
[15:24] <z1haze> is it really that complicated to setup a vps on a dedicated server
[15:25] <coreycb> rbasak, the new debian version of exim4 has removed some patches, but when I build the new ubuntu package, the removed patches are applied
[15:26] <coreycb> rbasak, does that make any sense?
[15:26] <ahmadgbg> xnox, i quick question, do i need a swap area only on the ubuntu installation raid (raid 1) or on the storage raid (raid 6)?
[15:26] <ahmadgbg> xnox: 1 quick*
[15:27] <xnox> ahmadgbg: what do you think?
[15:27] <ahmadgbg> xnox: only on raid 1?
[15:28] <rbasak> coreycb: are you using grab-merge? That seems to apply patches but not mark them as applied .pc.
[15:28] <rbasak> Apparently it's a long standing bug
[15:28] <coreycb> rbasak, yes I'm using grab-merge
[15:28] <rbasak> coreycb: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/dpkg-quilt-setup is a workaround for that
[15:29] <coreycb> rbasak, great, thanks!
[15:29] <ahmadgbg> xnox: was it right?
[15:30] <weeb1e_> Does anyone know how I can make apt-get -y install block until the process ends?
[15:31] <weeb1e_> If I try to do stuff after apt-get -y install in a bash script, it continues executing the bash script half way through the apt (after fetching apt data, before actually starting to install anything)
[15:32] <weeb1e_> Which makes bash print out the rest of the script but never execute it (since apt is still running)
[15:33] <zermanno> Hi, is it possible to install ubuntu server on a spare disk on a desktop and then move the hd to an headless server?
[15:55] <coreycb> rbasak, for the exim4 issue, the patches aren't actually in debian/patches and they're not in the quilt queue, however I can see from looking at the source that it's been modified with the patch changes.  can I get away with manually updating the diff?
[15:57] <samba35> how do i shutdown /suspent guest os when i shutdown  host (ubuntu server)
[16:02] <smw> Hi all. Anyone know what I would put into a cloud config to ensure /dev/xvdb is used as swap?
[16:02] <smw> I want it to be formatted (if not already) and then swapon'd
[16:03] <jak2000> TJ-? are you there?
[16:04] <TJ-> jak2000: That depends on whether you are planning on causing me a headache or not :p
[16:06] <rbasak> coreycb: so this is an area where I've never figured out how to get there using grab-merge, save for fixing everything up manually.
[16:06] <rbasak> coreycb: I do find the need to edit diffs sometimes
[16:06] <rbasak> coreycb: or I do it without grab-merge entirely.
[16:06] <rbasak> I'm just about to post my own workflow that I fall back to whenever I have issues. It's a bit complicated though :-/
[16:07] <jak2000> TJ- i continue with my eth0 problem
[16:07] <jak2000> can you see please: http://pastie.org/9444643
[16:07] <coreycb> rbasak, :)  alright, thanks for the info. and having another workflow to reference would be useful.
[16:08] <TJ-> jak2000: There's a syntax error in the 'interfaces' file, for eth0. Check "man resolvconf" for "nameserver"
[16:09] <jak2000> TJ- need change nameserver -> dns-nameserver right?
[16:09] <TJ-> jak2000: *read* the man-page and you'll see more than that
[16:27] <patdk-wk> oh! status update on bug I filed 3 months ago :)
[16:27] <patdk-wk> bug title has been renamed!
[16:27] <patdk-wk> progress
[17:05] <samba35> can i add <IP_ADDRESS> localhost and <IP_ADDRESS> somexxxname ?  in /etc/hosts
[17:10] <sarnold> samba35: add <IP_ADDRESS> for localhost and <IP_ADDRESS> for your hostname
[17:13] <samba35> i did that but puppet some functions works fine when i add <IP_ADDRESS> to puppet and remove localhost.localdomain
[17:13] <samba35> but i lost fqdn  ---hostname -f
[17:21] <^Lestat1> Im trying to install PDFlib lite on my server
[17:21] <^Lestat1> I have downloaded the tarball to /usr/local/src
[17:22] <^Lestat1> ran 'make' and 'makefile'.
[17:22] <^Lestat1> What is it I need to do next?
[17:22] <^Lestat1> <-- pretty new to cli/server stuffs
[17:23] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: the usual incantation is ./configure --prefix... --otherstuff ; make ; make install
[17:23] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: most folks like to build sources in their home directories so they don't run the build as root ..
[17:23] <^Lestat1> I don't know what ./configure --prefix does?
[17:24] <^Lestat1> The manual looks greek to me.
[17:24] <^Lestat1> (figuratively speaking)
[17:25] <^Lestat1> So for starters I should be doing this in /home
[17:26] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: I think so, I've got a ~/Local/ where I do all my local software builds; ./configure is a common script from autotools packages, the --prefix lets you say where you want the software installed
[17:27] <^Lestat1> './configure --some/location' ?
[17:27] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/bin  or something similar -- see if there is a ./configure --help  output :)
[17:28] <^Lestat1> I have no-idea where I should put this??
[17:29] <^Lestat1> So far I have just liked apt-get install whatever you want hehe
[17:29] <sarnold> :)
[17:30] <^Lestat1> At this point howeer, Im missing my MSI GUI
[17:35] <^Lestat1> I managed to get this far http://pastebin.com/iHj3mzEa
[17:36] <^Lestat1> no idea where to put it though. but even worse, I got this far following a blog post. Which just makes me dangerous.
[17:36] <^Lestat1> I'd prefer to know what it is I'm doing
[17:37] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: note that /home is just a directory (or filesystem) that contains your actual home directory, which appears to be /home/vagrant
[17:38] <^Lestat1> yea but where should one install pdflib? Its not a program really. So where would one put a lib?
[17:38] <^Lestat1> and secondly, how would I tell php where to find this lib?
[17:39] <jkyle> anyone have a working preseed or kickstart with lvm volumes for 14.04?
[17:39] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: I'd try /usr/local/lib or something similar; no idea on the php front, I avoid that like the plague.
[17:41] <^Lestat1> hehe
[17:45] <^Lestat1> Im actually liking all this sudo business. Makes me think twice.
[17:46] <sarnold> that's a good fear to have :)
[17:47] <^Lestat1> ok this is a first. Im seeing a -> in an ls
[17:48] <^Lestat1> what the heck does that mean? http://pastebin.com/9sdHgeAx
[17:48] <^Lestat1> is that an alias or something?
[17:48] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: symbolic link; check out man 2 symlink and ln --help
[17:48] <^Lestat1> It's not a dir thats for sure
[17:49] <^Lestat1> man 2?
[17:49] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: maybe man 7 symlink is more useful
[17:49] <^Lestat1> I didn' t know there were several man's
[17:50] <^Lestat1> (wouldn't that be 'men' ;P)
[17:50] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: manpages are in different sections; 1 is user commands, 8 is admin commands, 2 is system calls, 3 is library calls, 5 is configuration files, 7 is overview, 4 is device files, and 6 is games (mostly unused)
[17:50] <^Lestat1> ah so then I dont have to scroll through the whole thing.
[17:51] <^Lestat1> Damn, all I wanted was a local dev server lol
[17:51] <^Lestat1> Now I have to learn alla dis
[17:51] <sarnold> it's fun :)
[17:52] <^Lestat1> symlink is 'shortcut' in windows.
[17:53] <sarnold> funny enough, windows also has symlink, a different thing from shortcuts :) the cygwin tools make it easy to create them with 'ln', same as on unix-ish systems
[17:53] <sarnold> explorer.exe is not happy with them
[17:53] <^Lestat1> uh boy.  I am trying to figure out exactly what happened. Here are a few iterations of what happened in the syslog ouput at the first sign of trouble. http://codepad.org/iay0alKK
[18:00] <weeb1e_> So when did ubuntu ruin it's CPU "performance" governer?
[18:01] <digs> As far as I can tell, apache started taking up too much memory. By the time I got to it, the CPU was pegged and I couldn't even ssh in. I had to shut it down and restart it forcefully.
[18:01] <weeb1e_> Setting the governer to "performance" has always meant "no CPU scaling below base frequency", now it means not less than 1.6ghz
[18:01] <digs> Now, _why_ apache started to take up too much memory I don't know.
[18:02] <weeb1e_> digs: Change to nginx if possible, it will use 0.01% of the ram that apache would even if apache was using a "normal" amount
[18:02] <weeb1e_> Apache is ancient, and terribly bloated, it's threaded architecture wastes a ton of ram
[18:02] <weeb1e_> It really shouldn't be used at all anymore
[18:04] <^Lestat1> so ...what do I do when sudo is failing? http://pastebin.com/DEcVQN9K
[18:05] <kklimonda> sudo isn't really failing, it's not not working as you expect it to when you redirect streams
[18:05] <weeb1e_> ^Lestat1: Sudo su
[18:05] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: that one's complicated. either use echo foo | tee filename   or start a shell with 'sudo -s' and run the command in the shell
[18:05] <^Lestat1> ok This is over my head
[18:06] <weeb1e_> The easiest way to redirect streams is to become root first
[18:06] <weeb1e_> So just "sudo su", do whatever without sudo, and then "exit"
[18:07] <weeb1e_> I really don't feel ubuntus performance governer is working correctly
[18:07] <^Lestat1> "redirect streams"?
[18:07] <sarnold> ^Lestat1: using < or > or |
[18:07] <weeb1e_> ^Lestat1: The ">" in that line redirects stdout to a file
[18:07] <^Lestat1> oh. Thats just import/export right?
[18:07] <^Lestat1> or append
[18:08] <pmatulis> right, 'echo foo | sudo tee -a filename' is pretty standard
[18:08] <^Lestat1> This all looks so foreign to me.
[18:08] <^Lestat1> But I am really liking that my hands pretty much dont leave the leyboard.
[18:10] <weeb1e_> Anyone know how I can override the performance governer to force ubuntu to use the max possible frequency, instead of underclocking some cores? I have the governer for all cores set to "performance", but ubuntu is ignoring it and underclocking anyway
[18:10] <weeb1e_> This is very odd, I've never seen the governer ignored before
[18:11] <weeb1e_> I think it may be related to the bios of this box giving software (ubuntu) full control of the CPU frequency
[18:12] <weeb1e_> As that was the only way to make the governer load at all, before that was enabled, the governer always failed to load
[18:12] <weeb1e_> But now that ubuntu has full control of the CPU, it is ignoring the governer and scaling the CPU anywa
[18:12] <weeb1e_> *anyway
[18:12] <sarnold> weeb1e_: that bit is usual as long as CPUs have had selectable speeds..
[18:12] <weeb1e_> sarnold: Not if you set every cores governer to "performance"
[18:12] <sarnold> weeb1e_: there's a huge pile of interacting things here -- I had expected just selecting performance would have turned off the more annoying ones..
[18:13] <weeb1e_> The performance governer works as expected on all my other boxes
[18:13] <sarnold> weeb1e_: heh, IRC collide; the bit that is usual is that the OS kernel has control over speeds, not so much the bios
[18:13] <sarnold> weeb1e_: please file a bug; you might be the first to notice something is wrong :)
[18:14] <weeb1e_> Let me check another box that has a recent ubuntu running
[18:14] <weeb1e_> Just to be sure
[18:15] <weeb1e_> Ah damn, the only other box I still have with a recent ubuntu, has an older CPU which doesn't support the i7 interface
[18:15] <weeb1e_> sarnold: Know of a workaround, filing a bug is not going to solve this short term, and I cannot use the box until it is solved
[18:16] <weeb1e_> I already had to wait since last week, to get someone with physical access to enable software control of the CPU in the bios
[18:16] <sarnold> weeb1e_: you could try the userspace governor and then figure out what to write where to tell it to go full-tilt
[18:17] <weeb1e_> I'll try that, thanks
[18:17] <digs> weeb1e_ - That is not an answer to my question at all.
[18:17] <kklimonda> don't new kernel use a different scaling governor instead of the old ones (one of which is performance)?
[18:17] <kklimonda> intel_pstate or something like that
[18:17] <weeb1e_> Unfortunately, CPU scaling has a terrible effect on realtime applications
[18:17] <sarnold> weeb1e_: iirc installing a gnome cpu applet thingy does this (which came as a gigantic "WTF EWWWW" when I found it) -- perhaps it'd be an easy place to figure out the interface
[18:17] <weeb1e_> sarnold: On a server without an xserver? :P
[18:18] <sarnold> weeb1e_: just read hte source for it ;) odn't actually use it, heheh
[18:18] <jak2000> TJ- now i can ping to other's pcs into my lan, but cant surff on internet. i do: (commented dns-nameserver on /etc/network/interfaces and added my nameservers on:
[18:18] <weeb1e_> Ah right
[18:18] <jak2000> this file /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[18:18] <z1haze> can someone tell me what might cause this issue with setting up a vm? http://pastebin.com/Rs1DnEqX
[18:18] <jak2000> after added my nameserve i type:
[18:18] <weeb1e_> kklimonda: The governer stuff has changed a bit, but performance is still what is supposed to work for "no scaling"
[18:19] <jak2000> sudo resolvconf -u   but i try do: ping www.google.com and not answer
[18:19] <TJ-> jak2000: The syntax error in the 'interfaces' was the "nameserver" line, which should be "dns-nameservers" - note the 's' on the end
[18:19] <weeb1e_> digs: I didn't even read your question, I just saw you were using apache and felt I had to advise you to stop that
[18:20] <jak2000> yes also i cahnged this and restarted the network service and continue cant ping to google :(
[18:20] <weeb1e_> jak2000: You need to ifdown && ifup your interface
[18:20] <weeb1e_> For that DNS change to take effect
[18:20] <jak2000> ok
[18:21] <zermanno> Hi, is it possible to install ubuntu server on a spare hard disk on a desktop and then move the hd to a headless server?
[18:22] <TJ-> jak2000: does the system have a default route set that gets to the public Internet?
[18:22] <jak2000> yes defautl gw: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:22] <arrith> zermanno: that should work fine
[18:22] <z1haze> will someone please help me with this error while trying to start a vm? http://pastebin.com/Rs1DnEqX
[18:22] <jak2000> sudo ifdown eth0
[18:22] <jak2000> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
[18:23] <zermanno> arrith, i mean without booting any install cd on the desktop
[18:23] <arrith> zermanno: oh yes, look into installing debian over ssh
[18:23] <sarnold> zermanno: check out debootstrap
[18:23] <zermanno> ok thanks all
[18:24] <weeb1e_> sarnold: It looks like even the userspace governer is ignored :(
[18:24] <sarnold> z1haze: check 'dmesg' and 'lsmod | grep kvm' ..
[18:24] <sarnold> weeb1e_: !!
[18:25] <weeb1e_> I am starting to regret saying "no" earlier today, when I was asked if ubuntu 12.x should be installed rather
[18:25] <z1haze> sarnold, sorry i dont understand
[18:25] <sarnold> weeb1e_: I had expected that using the pstate thing kklimonda mentioned would have removed the old interfaces if they weren't going to be useful..
[18:25] <sarnold> z1haze: try 'modprobe kvm' and see what happens
[18:26] <z1haze> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.10.23-xxxx-std-ipv6-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[18:27] <delinquentme> How often should I clean out the keys I've approved to server IPs which I'll probably never use again?? Per: Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes // Warning: Permanently added '<IP_ADDRESS>' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
[18:27] <z1haze> sarnold: Could not load /lib/modules/3.10.23-xxxx-std-ipv6-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[18:27] <sarnold> z1haze: aha :) go figure out why you don't have a kvm module :)
[18:27] <z1haze> oh geez
[18:28] <sarnold> .. or maybe a modules.dep? that might be easier -- try 'depmod -a'
[18:28] <z1haze> i followed this! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[18:28] <weeb1e_> Well this is insanely annoying, after having nothing but problems with this new hardware, now I have to have nothing but problems with ubuntu too
[18:28] <weeb1e_> I have no idea what my next step should be here
[18:28] <kklimonda> z1haze: you are using a custom kernel, so this guide may not be enough
[18:28] <z1haze> whats custom about it?
[18:29] <z1haze> i just rented this machine from ovh
[18:29] <kklimonda> well, ovh is going to load their own kernel by default
[18:29] <kklimonda> although that error doesn't seem to be about kvm.ko missing, but modules.dep
[18:30] <kklimonda> tbh I'm not sure what would happen if that file went missing
[18:30] <z1haze> crap, i have no clue what im doing so im trying to follow these tutorials, they are already hard enough
[18:30] <kklimonda> you can check permissions of /dev/kvm - maybe they are just too restrictive
[18:31] <z1haze> its root:libvirtd
[18:31] <weeb1e_> If anyone has any idea how I can completely disable ubuntus broken CPU governer and force a CPU frequency, please let me know
[18:31] <z1haze> is that incorrect?
[18:31] <kklimonda> and what are the permissions, and what groups is your user member of?
[18:32] <z1haze> its running from root i guess
[18:32] <kklimonda> ok, then permissions shouldn't matter
[18:32] <z1haze> and its a member of root, kvm, and libvirtd
[18:32] <kklimonda> weeb1e_: try disabling intel_pstate completely? maybe it is a cause after all
[18:33] <weeb1e_> kklimonda: Won't that also disable Turbo?
[18:33] <weeb1e_> I'm not sure how I would go about disabling it
[18:33] <pmatulis> z1haze: what ubuntu release is this and what is the ouput of 'uname -a' ?
[18:34] <weeb1e_> But if it disables turbo boost, then that is not an option
[18:34] <weeb1e_> I need the CPUs to only ever scale up from their base frequency (turbo boost), and never below
[18:35] <kklimonda> weeb1e_: good point, I'm not sure - try messing with intel_pstate config then? It has few settings you can tweak
[18:35] <weeb1e_> I'll look for it now
[18:35] <weeb1e_> kklimonda: `sudo find / -name intel_pstate` returns no results
[18:36] <kklimonda> well, that's interesting - it should be in /sys/devices/system/cpu/ afair
[18:36] <samba35> weeb1e_: which version of ubunut u r running
[18:36] <weeb1e_> 14.04.1
[18:37] <weeb1e_> Latest server LTS
[18:37] <kklimonda> if it's not there, then you are not using the intel_pstate driver and the plot thickens
[18:37] <weeb1e_> All I know is, the CPU scaling governer has always worked fine on other boxes without any changes. This box needed software cpu management enabled in the bios before the governer would load
[18:39] <weeb1e_> But now I still have no idea what to try next, or why intel_pstate is not being used
[18:39] <weeb1e_> I'll check if its used on another box
[18:40] <patdk-wk> the bios always has to be set to software, or else the bios controls it
[18:40] <z1haze> sorry i had to finish making lunch for my kids
[18:40] <patdk-wk> atleast if your using a server
[18:40] <z1haze> pmatulis: 3.10.23-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 9 18:53:52 CET 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:42] <weeb1e_> kklimonda: It does not exist on a 11.10 box which has the performance governer set and working 100%
[18:43] <weeb1e_> So that is probably not related to this issue
[18:43] <kklimonda> weeb1e_: yeah, pstate is a pretty new driver
[18:43] <pmatulis> z1haze: release? 'lsb_release -c'
[18:43] <z1haze> precise
[18:43] <pmatulis> z1haze: you may not have nested kvm.  this is a cloud instance?
[18:44] <weeb1e_> patdk-wk: I understand that, but these are servers in data centers, in cities which I do not live, so I have no physical access and have never had bios settings changed other than hyperthreading disabled
[18:44] <weeb1e_> So what I meant was, this is the first box where software cpu management was disabled by default
[18:44] <z1haze> i probably installed in incorrectly
[18:44] <sarnold> z1haze: could be ovh broke their kernels
[18:44] <z1haze> i dont know what im doing.. dedicated server
[18:45] <weeb1e_> kklimonda: Well it clearly isn't required to control CPU scaling, but I have no idea what is :(
[18:45] <z1haze> 'bare metal' or what u call it
[18:45] <z1haze> i guess my question is how much will someone charge me to fix it? i dont have a lot of money but i can pay some
[18:45] <z1haze> this is day 3. and im no further than i was at the end of day 1
[18:47] <weeb1e_> z1haze: Don't give up! Sometimes everything that can, does go wrong
[18:47] <z1haze> i know that all too well
[18:47] <sarnold> weeb1e_ :)
[18:47] <weeb1e_> I am no further than I was a week ago
[18:47] <z1haze> i wouldnt give up, i just dont really know what to do to progress. i dont know where to look or what research
[18:48] <weeb1e_> Well ok, that is not quite true, I've solved plenty issues since a week ago
[18:48] <weeb1e_> But the one issue I have still not solved, is this damn CPU scaling
[18:48] <kklimonda> z1haze: well, i'd definitely start with changing the kernel to use stock ubuntu one
[18:48] <sarnold> z1haze: heh, do you have a remote console access to the system? this looks useful: http://www.sysadminworld.com/2012/how-to-switch-to-the-standard-ubuntu-kernel-on-ovh/
[18:48] <z1haze> can I do do that without losing all of my information on my server?
[18:48] <kklimonda> (i've had some issues in the past where using custom kernel provided by the vps company was breaking stuff)
[18:49] <sarnold> z1haze: .. but that's a step I'd only be comfortable making if there's remote console access
[18:49] <weeb1e_> I'm just about ready to give up on ubuntu now, and get a technician to try disable software CPU management tomorrow, and force the max speed in the bios, if the bios even has such an ability
[18:49] <kklimonda> z1haze: yeah, but it may take some reading and a cool head
[18:49] <z1haze> but i mean ovh sells dedicated machines and vps al the time
[18:49] <sarnold> weeb1e_: pleae don't forget that bug report before you do :)
[18:49] <z1haze> how would they break it? its what people rent these for
[18:50] <kklimonda> z1haze: ok, so what you have to do
[18:50] <kklimonda> is figure out what's the cause
[18:50] <z1haze> im willing to pay if someone can help me fix it
[18:50] <kklimonda> virsh is a high level interface for interacting with kvm
[18:50] <z1haze> i dont have that linux base knowledge though
[18:50] <kklimonda> so you have to use a lower level tool to make sure that nothing else is messing up
[18:50] <kklimonda> I'd definitely try using strace to figure out what's throing EPERM error
[18:50] <z1haze> strace
[18:51] <kklimonda> it probably won't work with virsh, because it's a client for a server
[18:51] <weeb1e_> I'm also now very grateful that I have not upgraded any of my 10.x and 11.x ubuntu boxes, as organizing a technician with physical access to those would cost a lot more
[18:51] <kklimonda> yeah, basically it's a tool that tells you what a program is trying to do, and it should show you what's throwing EPERM error
[18:51] <patdk-wk> I haven't run any 10.x ubuntu's for a long time
[18:52] <patdk-wk> over half my stuff is on 14.x now
[18:52] <patdk-wk> I hven't had any issues with the cpu scaler
[18:53] <weeb1e_> I'm unable to use perf on the 10.x box, because the newer apt repos I configured do not have a compatible linux-tools-common for 10.x
[18:53] <weeb1e_> But that is still better than having a completely useless box
[18:53] <patdk-wk> my laptop is suppost to last 6 hours, it's battery is 2years old, and on 12.04 I get 5hours out of it, and I just upgraded it like 2 weeks ago to 14.04, and still get 5hours form it
[18:53] <kklimonda> well, 5 hours is pretty good
[18:53] <kklimonda> I wonder how much will I get from my laptop when it arrives
[18:53] <patdk-wk> I get 11hours now :)
[18:54] <patdk-wk> I bought the extra battery pack for it :)
[18:54] <weeb1e_> I'm now hesitant to continue installing and configuring software on this box
[18:54] <weeb1e_> It is already the third time I've had to do so in the past week
[18:56] <patdk-wk> hmm, I don't currently have ubuntu running anywhere, except on hardware I bought and setup
[18:56] <weeb1e_> I assume the bios must have a feature to not scale the CPU when managing it itself, but considering the techies really struggled to find and disable hyperthreading and enable software CPU management, who knows how long that will take to get right
[18:57] <weeb1e_> All my server hardware is either rented on contract (along with hosting), or sponsored
[18:57] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: oh, 11 hours is sweet
[18:58] <patdk-wk> it's heavy then though :(
[18:59] <patdk-wk> weeble you know what model that server is?
[19:00] <weeb1e_> patdk-wk: The CPU?
[19:00] <weeb1e_> It's a Xeon E5540
[19:00] <patdk-wk> no, the motherboard model number likely?
[19:01] <patdk-wk> lshw hsould show it
[19:01] <weeb1e_> I'll check, I just know it is a blade
[19:02] <weeb1e_> patdk-wk: It's a PowerEdge M610
[19:12] <patdk-wk> seems to be a common dell issue
[19:12] <patdk-wk> maybe update it's bios :)
[19:12] <patdk-wk> I know you can't do that though
[19:12] <patdk-wk> I have had endless issues kindof like that with the dells I have
[19:12] <ahmadgbg> Hi, Can i restart the server while it is creating a raid 6? will it continue after the restart?
[19:13] <patdk-wk> sure, but hopefully you turn on bitmap support, or it could take awhile
[19:13] <patdk-wk> https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Write-intent_bitmap
[19:13] <ahmadgbg> no idea :D.. but nothing breaks if i restart it?
[19:13] <sarnold> patdk-wk: any thoughts about dell c2100? I found a vendor selling them for what feels cheap.. :)
[19:13] <patdk-wk> shouldn't, not cause of mdadm itself
[19:14] <patdk-wk> c2100's should be cheap :)
[19:14] <patdk-wk> they old, but ok if you looking for that
[19:14] <ahmadgbg> patdk-wk: is it too late to enable it now?
[19:14] <patdk-wk> have you rebooted?
[19:15] <ahmadgbg> no
[19:15] <patdk-wk> then no
[19:16] <ahmadgbg> so i use add this: "mdadm --grow --bitmap=internal /dev/mdX"
[19:16] <patdk-wk> the c2100's are just too beefy for me
[19:16] <patdk-wk> the c6220's are nicer for my vm's
[19:17] <patdk-wk> oh, that is what I don't like about them
[19:17] <patdk-wk> 2u server with very limited pcie slots
[19:18] <weeb1e_> Interesting
[19:18] <patdk-wk> if it had >2slots, I might have been in the running for the few 2u servers I have
[19:18] <weeb1e_> I had no issues with my previous large dell box
[19:18] <patdk-wk> I have a bunch of r410's
[19:18] <weeb1e_> It has 2x CPUs each with 8 physical cores, and 128GB ram
[19:18] <weeb1e_> *had
[19:18] <patdk-wk> and every bios update on them, *changes things*
[19:18] <sarnold> patdk-wk: ooh those look nice. but I'm not sure I'd benefit more from separate machines, hehe
[19:19] <weeb1e_> The only issues I ever had, were due to a bugged linux kernel
[19:19] <weeb1e_> Can't say I've ever updated ones bios though
[19:19] <patdk-wk> sarnold,  Ifigure, 3 of them, 6 doing vm's, and 6 doing real servers :)
[19:19] <ahmadgbg> patdk-wk, got an error, cannot add bitmap while array is resynicing...
[19:20] <patdk-wk> ahmadgbg, :(
[19:20] <patdk-wk> oh well
[19:20] <patdk-wk> guess I will have to do a rescan then, after reboot
[19:20] <jak2000> weeb1e_ any advice? about my name servers why not work? i add in /etc/network/interfaces the default dns name: <IP_ADDRESS> in dns-nameservers section
[19:20] <weeb1e_> This box may just be temporary though, once the sponsorship has gone through all its corporate stuff and is official, I will hopefully get new higher end hardware
[19:20] <weeb1e_> I'll definitely get multiple boxes
[19:21] <weeb1e_> jak2000: Paste the line starting with dns-nameservers
[19:22] <jak2000> dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:23] <weeb1e_> jak2000: Did you ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0?
[19:23] <weeb1e_> And can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:24] <jak2000> yes but i get an error
[19:24] <weeb1e_> Well if you get an error, you need to fix the error first
[19:24] <jak2000> sudo ifdown eth0
[19:24] <jak2000> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
[19:24] <weeb1e_> You'll probably have to pastebin your whole /etc/network/interfaces file for someone to look at
[19:24] <h1r3> hello. i have a problem with my server... i upgraded from 12.04. to 14.04. i get a forbidden 403 error on port 80 as well as (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long) on port 443. webmin works without problems... how can i solve this?
[19:25] <patdk-wk> by reading the upgrade instructions!
[19:25] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/9445212
[19:25] <patdk-wk> !releasenotes
[19:25] <jak2000> weeb1e_ can you see this paste?
[19:26] <sarnold> jak2000: why did you comment out the network and the broadcast?
[19:28] <jak2000> anyone here try help me, and tell me comment these 2 lines
[19:28]  * jak2000 uncommenting and restart network sevices..
[19:29] <weeb1e_> I don't see anything specific wrong with that file, other than maybe the commented out lines
[19:29] <weeb1e_> It's rather weird seeing "iface lo inet loopback" after "auto eth0", but since sarnold didn't say anything about that, I assume order does not matter
[19:30] <h1r3> patdk-wk did you mean me? i need more specific informations. it seems taht it has to do with permissions, but i am clueless...
[19:32] <sarnold> h1r3: apache 2.4 changed access controls and authentication and authorization compared against 2.2: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/access.html
[19:33] <jak2000> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:33] <jak2000> connect: Network is unreachable
[19:34] <h1r3> sarnold thank you for the link, however i still don't understand... how can i solve this issue?
[19:35] <jak2000> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:35] <jak2000> connect: Network is unreachable
[19:35] <sarnold> h1r3: you need to understand your old rules well enough to know what they do; you need to understand the new syntax well enough to translate your old rules to the new rules.
[19:36] <h1r3> sarnold what rules? where do i find them and how am i supposed to change them?
[19:37] <sarnold> h1r3: /etc/apache2/* and .htaccess files; use vi or emacs or whatever you like
[19:40] <patdk-wk> sarnold, you need to hold his hand and tell him line by line what to do :)
[19:40] <sarnold> patdk-wk: hehe, if only there were 48 hours in each day... :)
[19:41] <patdk-wk> that would be 48 more poeple you could help per day?
[19:41] <sarnold> patdk-wk: or at least the one :)
[19:41] <sarnold> patdk-wk: plus it'd give me a few more hours to beg help from you, hehe :)
[19:41] <h1r3> sarnold thank you, but i am still lost... i don't know what i have to change...
[19:42] <weeb1e_> $ sudo modprobe -r acpi_cpufreq
[19:42] <weeb1e_> modprobe: FATAL: Module acpi_cpufreq is builtin.
[19:42] <weeb1e_> :(
[19:43] <zartoosh> hi I got some corruption on my ubuntu 14.04 /etc/fstab file. I can boot to recovery mode and drop to shell as root, but I am not able to modify /etc/fstab since it is read only. How could I edit the /etc/fstab and recover? thx
[19:44] <jak2000> sarnold any advice?
[19:44] <sarnold> zartoosh: mount / -orw,remount
[19:44] <sarnold> jak2000: sorry, no idea
[19:45] <zartoosh> sarnold, thank you
[19:46] <jak2000> ok, thx
[19:48] <lordievader> jak2000: Have you fixed your network settings?
[20:11] <hallyn> rbasak: probably a silly question, but, any plans for uvt-kvm to support debian releases?
[20:15] <lordievader> jak2000: In case you've missed my message: Have you fixed your network settings?
[20:21] <sarnold> lordievader: he might have thought he did? he commented out a few lines on the advice of one person and then uncommented them on the advice of other people :)
[20:24] <zartoosh> hi on ubuntu 14.04 installation, I do not see any network interface. How could I start dhclient to get IP address and openssh-server to ssh into it? thx
[20:27] <zartoosh> I figureed it out, thanks
[20:33] <lordievader> sarnold: Last time he was here he tried to apply <IP_ADDRESS> on a <IP_ADDRESS> network, I told him how to fix that, wanted to know if it solved the problem.
[20:33] <sarnold> lordievader: ah, I wonder if that's why he can't ifdown the eth0..
[20:34] <lordievader> sarnold: It was the error then with ifup "Network can not be reached".
[20:35] <sarnold> lordievader: aha :)
[20:35] <sarnold> probably a reboot would fix it right up
[20:36] <sarnold> maybe ifconfig eth0 down ; ifup eth0  might do it too
[20:36] <lordievader> Not if the settings are incorrect ;) recommended him to pull the settings from a dhcp session.
[20:36] <zartoosh> hi I see  /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/Boot000x-xxxx files, I know they are related to UEFI Does ubuntu have any document to describe these files? thx
[20:36] <sarnold> lordievader: his interfaces looks much better now :) hehe
[20:48] <asdsd> I have gdm installed on a server for some admin tasks, now how the f&)( do I prevent it from autostarting=?
[20:48] <z1haze> anyone ever set up vps before and will help me?
[20:53] <TJ-> zartoosh: The efivars are what the UEFI firmware stores in its NVRAM; the UEFI specification details how that works
[20:54] <zartoosh> TJ- so those entries correspond to bios boot options?
[20:55] <TJ-> zartoosh: correct
[20:55] <TJ-> They are the EFI's environment variables
[20:55] <TJ-> "efibootmgr" allows you to manage them
[20:57] <rbasak> hallyn: I'd like it to. The first step would be for somewhere to publish Debian cloud images that use cloud-init, with image metadata available via simplestreams.
[20:57] <hallyn> rbasak: have you looked into whether any do that?  I know there ar edebian cloud images, author was looking for a place to host them a week or two agao
[20:57] <rbasak> hallyn: no, I haven't looked at all yet.
[20:57] <hallyn> ok
[20:58] <asdsd> TJ-: i found out why my lenovo was ignoring grub
[20:58] <TJ-> asdsd: Was it fixable?
[20:59] <asdsd> TJ-: yes
[20:59] <asdsd> TJ-: lenovo UEFI/BIOS has no granular efi boot settings
[20:59] <zartoosh> TJ- it seems the name of Boot000x-  keep changing I am not sure how to manage that in automated way in the field? any idea?
[20:59] <TJ-> asdsd: Typical - a manufacturer that can't avoid removing core functionality!
[21:00] <asdsd> TJ-: resetting bios to "os optimized defaults" and disabling intel rapid start made windows boot manager appear as its own efi boot option
[21:00] <asdsd> TJ-: and reinstalling ubuntu/grub added grub to the efi boot list
[21:00] <TJ-> asdsd: Ahh... "rapid boot" is know to cause issues
[21:00] <asdsd> TJ-: they have hid that option away really well
[21:01] <asdsd> TJ-: any chance you now how to retard GDM at boot?
[21:01] <asdsd> they are discussing ponies or something in #ubuntu, noone seems to know
[21:01] <TJ-> asdsd: I just posted the solution in #ubuntu, I was looking up some other bits so was delayed in replying
[21:02] <asdsd> alright, ill try
[21:02] <asdsd> but why Upstart? it is abandonware
[21:03] <asdsd> and now cano is going to support it for five years? wohoo
[21:16] <z1haze> can anyone tell me if this will cause to lose all of my data? http://www.sysadminworld.com/2012/how-to-switch-to-the-standard-ubuntu-kernel-on-ovh/
[21:46] <z1haze> how can i backup from my server to a backup ftp server?
[21:50] <arrrghhh> z1haze, I suppose with rsync would be best?
[21:50] <z1haze> can you give me a link or provide an example? i see so many ways to use rsync
[21:50] <arrrghhh> er wait nvm.
[21:50] <zartoosh> hi I am using ubuntu 14.04, how can I configure the login page? thx
[21:50] <arrrghhh> I'm derp... rsync works with sftp.  not plain ftp...
[21:51] <arrrghhh> zartoosh, you're on the -server edition?  what do you mean "configure" the login page?
[21:51] <z1haze> well i have a serve through ovh, and i have an ftp backup server
[21:51] <arrrghhh> z1haze, is the only option ftp?
[21:51] <z1haze> i just dont know how to backup from my server to the backup
[21:51] <z1haze> im not sure, i just know the its called FTP server: ftpback-bhs1-32.ip-198-100-151.net
[21:51] <arrrghhh> well you could automate it with cron/bash scripts... but ftp is not reliable
[21:52] <arrrghhh> and rsync would ensure the backups are sent/received properly
[21:52] <z1haze> how would it work to use rsync
[21:52] <z1haze> can you like show me an example
[21:52] <z1haze> or what flags to use
[21:52] <arrrghhh> with ftp... not only is it transmitted in plain text, but it's not secure and you can't ensure it got there properly
[21:52] <arrrghhh> z1haze, you can't use ftp, that's what I'm saying.  can you use sftp?
[21:52] <z1haze> i have to use it from my server it was it says
[21:52] <z1haze> like i login via ssh
[21:52] <z1haze> and somehow back up from there
[21:53] <zartoosh> arrrghhh, yes I know, I have two partition, one I have installed the official ubuntu 14.04 and the other partion I have used debootstrap to install ubuntu 14.04. the both partition have the same configuration and pkgs, but their login page is different. thx
[21:54] <arrrghhh> zartoosh, I don't know what you mean, it's a -server.  there's really no login page other than a text prompt to login?
[21:54] <arrrghhh> z1haze, if you can use ssh/sftp that would be best.
[21:54] <arrrghhh> because then you can use rsync ;)
[21:54] <z1haze> alright, well how might i do this
[21:54] <arrrghhh> I just googled and found this
[21:54] <arrrghhh> http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/
[21:55] <arrrghhh> or this
[21:55] <arrrghhh> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/09/rsync-command-examples/
[21:55] <arrrghhh> it really depends on your setup, preferences, etc.
[21:55] <arrrghhh> I can't just make up commands off the top of my head without knowing your setup...  gotta do a little legwork my friend ;)
[21:55] <z1haze> it doesnt show how to connect to the other server tho i mean
[21:56] <arrrghhh> Example 4. Synchronize Files From Local to Remote
[21:56] <arrrghhh> it doesn't?
[21:56] <z1haze> oh i was looking at example number 1
[21:56] <arrrghhh> ya that's just a local server
[21:56] <arrrghhh> you can use rsync in a ton of different ways
[21:57] <z1haze> im not doing it right, damnit
[21:57] <z1haze> i tried rsync -avz /home/ ftpback-bhs1-32.ip-198-100-151.net:/backups/
[22:13] <phuh> Is Haproxy better than Nginx for reverse proxying and load balancing
[22:13] <phuh> ?
[22:39] <z1haze> if i want to change the kernel on my ovh server to the standard ubuntu kernel rather than their modifed one.. will it erase all my data? home /home?
[22:48] <R0ckET_> hi
[22:50] <R0ckET_> I have ubuntu server on amazon, this is not me recording the login log in auth.log, any idea where this is set?
[23:02] <z1haze> i called my host they told me if i change the kernel version from their custom one to a standard one, i would have to reinstall, but someone here earlier told me i wouldnt lose any data?
[23:03] <rbasak> z1haze: in theory you wouldn't lose your data. But I can't speak for the customisations they have done. They're the only experts here, not this channel.
[23:03] <z1haze> they dont seem like experts to me, they dont offer ANY support
[23:03] <rbasak> z1haze: if something doesn't go to plan though, then you're likely to not be able to get to your data until that's fixed.
[23:04] <rbasak> z1haze: only they can be the experts in their own customisations that others don't know about.
[23:04] <rbasak> z1haze: perhaps consider a different host, then? Try an Ubuntu certified one if you can find one.
[23:04] <rbasak> Then you know they're doing standard things, such as shipping a standard kernel.
[23:04] <Patrickdk> what is it your paying for?
[23:04] <Patrickdk> if it's a real vm, it should be simple
[23:05] <Patrickdk> if it's a vps, well, probably not possible
[23:16] <TJ-> It's a dedi I think, at OVH
[23:19] <Patrickdk> then just install any kernel you want
[23:21] <TJ-> From what I've seen of z1haze's questions over the past few days on various channels, the aim is to install and operate several VMs on bare-metal with network routing, but with no experience of managing a server
[23:21] <Patrickdk> what is network routing?
[23:25] <TJ-> Patrickdk: there seemed to be a problem routing an additional IP address allocated by the Service Provider, into a VM. Basically, I think z1haze is out of their depth. I recommended playing around on local systems first to become familiar with the whole scenario of networking, bridges, VM management, and so on
[23:28] <Patrickdk> :)
[23:47] <teward> i think i found a bug in php5-fpm on 12.04...


[14:39] <CQ> hello, I saw that ubuntu runs on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation ... will it run on the nexus10 as well=
[14:39] <CQ> ?
[14:40] <k1l> are you talking about ubuntu-touch or ubuntu desktop?
[14:44] <CQ> k11 anything that makes a 10" tablet usable and isn't android ...
[14:51] <k1l> did you look on xda if there is a ubuntu desktop port alreaady?
[14:51] <k1l> since the nexus 10 got different hardware then the nexus7 its not that easy to put it on the n10
[14:52] <CQ> ah, ok... I thought it was similar hardware and just a higher screen siye
[14:53] <CQ> size
[14:58] <kulve> "nexus" is a device supported by google. It doesn't say anything about the hardware.
[15:09] <kulve> (unfortunately)