[12:00] <balton> I'm having a pretty weird problem - I installed Windows & Ubuntu on a dualboot and when i was in windows, the system reboot all of a sudden..when grub came up it booted into ubuntu, but i got a crc error..so i rebooted the system, and then all of a sudden it said "No operating system found" and grub didn't come up - So i tried putting in the ubuntu install disc again, but again, when uncompressing linux, i got a crc error..I also tried a gen
[12:00] <osvaldo> alexrait, sadly i don't have access to my hoary install at the moment, sorry.
[12:01] <osvaldo> alexrait, try gaim.
[12:02] <kbrooks__> hrm
[12:02] <kbrooks__> oops
[12:02] <kbrooks__> wrong room
[12:02] <tatterdemalionpr> balton, could the hd be bad?
[12:03] <hector_> i need lots of help can somebody help me???
[12:04] <Nafallo> hector_: just ask in the channel and people will probably answer...
[12:04] <kirt> Has anyone else been getting slow DNS lookups recently?  I've tried disabling ipv6 and my firewall.. neither had any effect.
[12:04] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - I'm not sure...there are two drives in the box - a 40Gb with windows, and a 250Gb w/ a windows partition and linux
[12:04] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - should i try disconecting the hard drives, and then booting off a livecd..?
[12:04] <hector_> i'm tryng to mount a fat partition and i can't do it
[12:05] <spinifex> where is the log file for xorg?
[12:05] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - but i don't know how a bad hard drive would affect uncompressing linux off a livecd - doesn't the livecd not touch them at that point..?
[12:05] <alexrait> osvaldo, it was just an example of course: :) I do use gaim..
[12:05] <hector_> the first time that i can do it, i can't see the folders
[12:06] <tatterdemalionpr> balton, bad cd?
[12:06] <spinifex> does xorg keep a log file when you start up?
[12:06] <tatterdemalionpr> balton, wrong cd drivers?
[12:07] <bascule> bad RAM, bad IDE channels
[12:07] <balton> i dont think so - i said i tried both ubuntu and a gentoo livecd, plus i've used both cds many times in the past..
[12:07] <balton> bascule - what does bad ide channels mean? like how would i fix that...
[12:07] <tatterdemalionpr> new motherboard
[12:08] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - i see..
[12:08] <tatterdemalionpr> but i doubt thats your probles
[12:08] <tatterdemalionpr> problem
[12:08] <bascule> well, it's a sarcastic one really, bad IDE channels would need a new motherboard so let's hope not
[12:08] <bascule> ;)
[12:08] <bascule> balton: ^
[12:08] <lupusBE> W00T
[12:08] <bascule> hi new install guy :)
[12:09] <balton> should i go check unplugging the hard drives, or one at a time? (the computer is a floor away so it will take me a bit :) )
[12:09] <bascule> lol,
[12:09] <bascule> what is happenong, hang on
[12:09] <balton> with me?
[12:09] <bascule> try turning of virus check in BIOS if it has such a thing
[12:10] <vivlachaga> sorry in my sources list i have a url is only this url or exist mirrors?
[12:10] <bascule> balton: yeah I scrolled back
[12:10] <balton> let me go check some of these things...i'll be back in a bit - thanks so far
[12:12] <Slant> Has anyone seen the Apache2 / PHP4 / libpcre issue, and knwo how to fix it?
[12:18] <thundrcleeze> hi
[12:19] <thundrcleeze> I've got that problem with ICEauthority not letting me in again (on a different computer this time) and I can't remember the command to fix it.
[12:20] <bascule> chown <you> ~/.ICEauthority
[12:20] <thundrcleeze> thanks again, bascule
[12:21] <bascule> rm -f ~/.ICEauthority is an other way, up to ypu
[12:21] <bascule> np
[12:21] <balton> ok i'm back
[12:21] <bascule> how goes things balton
[12:22] <balton> i tried undoing the drives one by one, and it didn't fix it, but when i took out one of the sticks of ram it booted up the ubuntu install disk...now i'm goign to try putting the drives back in and hopefully it will work again
[12:22] <bascule> bad RAM of cource crc check at  the top of the BIOS POST
[12:23] <Funto> wow
[12:23] <Funto> hello
[12:23] <antibios> hello
[12:23] <bascule> hi, popular isn't it :)
[12:23] <Funto> yes lol
[12:23] <Funto> I suppose you all are Ubuntu users...
[12:24] <antibios> loving the ubuntu
[12:24] <bascule> good guess
[12:24] <Funto> hmm I'm new to this distrib
[12:24] <Funto> and I can say I'm new to Linux too
[12:25] <antibios> got a question that i wanted to ask before I start logging a bug report
[12:25] <AlphaXero> how do you de-link /dev/dvd from /media/cdrom0 ?
[12:25] <Funto> there still are problems with hardware :(
[12:25] <valdez> Funto: what kind of hardware?
[12:25] <Slant> AlphaXero: Take a look in /etc/fstab.
[12:25] <Funto> 1st, the modem
[12:25] <Funto> then, the printer
[12:25] <antibios> my sounds keeps breaking and I just wanted to check that it isn't a hardware problem
[12:25] <Funto> and the scanner too...
[12:25] <Funto> :(
[12:25] <antibios> Also give me the error: ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
[12:25] <AlphaXero> i forgot the cmd
[12:26] <AlphaXero> ln something
[12:27] <valdez> Funto: the modem seems to work though? :p
[12:27] <Funto> I don't understand...Ubuntu is based on Knoppix isn't it? So why does Knoppix recognize hardware Ubuntu doesn't?
[12:27] <Funto> valdez >> no :(
[12:27] <Funto> It's a SpeedTouch USB
[12:27] <bascule> arrrrgh modem from hell ...
[12:27] <jdub> Funto: no, it's not
[12:27] <AlphaXero> slant, /dev/dvd isnt in there
[12:27] <jdub> Funto: the warty livecd was based on morphix
[12:28] <Funto> and Morphix on Knoppix?
[12:28] <jdub> Funto: the latest hoary test livecds are based on a new system, and recognise all the hardware that the installed system does
[12:28] <jdub> loosely now
[12:28] <Funto> wow
[12:28] <valdez> Hoary works pretty good for me right now .. aka kicks ass
[12:28] <Funto> a new system...a new distrib?
[12:28] <jdub> no, a new livecd infrastructure
[12:29] <Funto> ?
[12:29] <bascule> i got a SpeedTouch USB to work once, rebooted and it never worked again
[12:29] <AlphaXero> ah ok, its sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd <---how do i undo this?
[12:29] <bascule> tm -f /media/cdrom0
[12:29] <Funto> bascule >> it happened to me too ^^ but with Mandrake
[12:29] <bascule> rm*
[12:29] <valdez> never liked usb modems ..
[12:30] <Funto> there is a script in Kaella
[12:30] <AlphaXero> that removes the link bascule?
[12:30] <bascule> Funto: the modem sucks completely, get a router, sorry but that is the way it is ..:(
[12:30] <Funto> Kaella is a french versio nof Knoppix
[12:30] <Funto> and that script permits it to connect in 30 seconds...
[12:30] <bascule> AlphaXero: yes
[12:30] <Funto> bascule >> in fact I managed to make the system recognize the modem
[12:31] <Funto> and it thinks it works
[12:31] <Funto> but...it doesn't :D
[12:31] <bascule> AlphaXero: oops rm -f /dev/dvd
[12:31] <randabis> hoary pissed me off earlier :p I did an update and it brought back that awful debian menu
[12:31] <AlphaXero> ok thanks bascule
[12:31] <valdez> lol
[12:31] <jdub> randabis: remove menu-xdg
[12:31] <godo> me too
[12:31] <bascule> AlphaXero: /media/cdrom0 will be a directory anyway
[12:32] <bascule> Funto: I think with 2.4 kernels it was fine, 2.6 forget about it
[12:32] <Funto> hmm
[12:32] <Funto> however the Kaella script works either with 2.4 and with 2.6...
[12:32] <bascule> AlphaXero: it is ln -s /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /dev/dvd
[12:32] <bascule> or /dev/hdc /dev/dvd
[12:33] <bascule> or /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd
[12:33] <Funto> (where could I dl Hoary?)
[12:33] <bascule> Funto: perhaps they have a direct line to Benoit Papillault
[12:34] <Funto> a...direct line? you mean...?
[12:35] <bascule> he perhaps was a devel there ...
[12:35] <Funto> ah you mean in Kaella?
[12:35] <bascule> yes
[12:35] <Funto> I don't know
[12:36] <Funto> the fact is that it is a french distribution and that my modem is widely used in France ^^
[12:36] <bascule> UK too, wanadoo give them out like candy, cause that's all they are worth ;)
[12:37] <cindux_> back :P
[12:37] <tweek888> is there a compile guide anywhere? i reall cant figure it out :(
[12:37] <cindux_> Totem still brokey..
[12:37] <tweek888> really*
[12:37] <drqk_> how do i get phph to work with apache2 ?
[12:37] <godo> how how i get item RealPlayer out of the menu?
[12:37] <tezza> how would i go about getting the functionality from my touchpad on my laptop so when i press in on it it performs a click ?
[12:37] <valdez> cindux: what's up with totem? mine's stable
[12:37] <godo> if have deinstall it
[12:37] <cindux_> tezza are you talking about that little black/grey pad?
[12:38] <cindux_> godo try right clicking it
[12:38] <cindux_> you should have the remove option
[12:38] <godo> ok
[12:39] <balton> bascule - thanks for the help, looks like it's all good again
[12:39] <randabis> jdub removing that also removes kde lol
[12:39] <balton> bascule - i'm pissed off that the stick of RAM is bad already, i bought it at xmas!
[12:40] <cindux_> lol
[12:40] <cindux_> i have a bunch of sticks of pc133 you can have :D
[12:40] <cindux_> er damnt
[12:40] <bascule> balton: send it back
[12:40] <Funto> is it possible to install Ubuntu Hoary on the DD from the live-cd?
[12:40] <cindux_> anyone know how to msg nickserv
[12:40] <cindux_> to "login"
[12:40] <cindux_> keeps saying cindux is in use by another but i dont know command
[12:41] <cindux_> to verify i am cindux
[12:41] <bascule>  /msg nickser ident <pssword>
[12:41] <randabis> Funto, theoretically you could
[12:41] <cindux_> ah
[12:41] <bascule>  /msg nickserv ident <password>
[12:41] <randabis> it'd be kinda like installing gentoo from a livecd
[12:41] <cindux_> thought it was identify
[12:41] <cindux_> alright brb
[12:41] <tobbe> msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[12:41] <bascule> ident identify ...
[12:41] <tezza> cindux_, yer, it's a laptop and usually if you press it it acts as a click
[12:42] <Funto> And is there a script to install it, like under Knoppix?
[12:42] <randabis> no
[12:42] <cindux> woo
[12:42] <cindux> thankey
[12:42] <randabis> that's why I said theoretically
[12:42] <godo> no icons for Trash and Desktop
[12:42] <randabis> you'd have to improvise your own way to install ubuntu from a livecd
[12:42] <netmonk> am i doing somethig wrong or is it a bug that every time I start synaptic the settings are back to proxy I used some time ago?
[12:42] <randabis> I think it would be somewhat similar to installing gentoo
[12:42] <randabis> you'd need to chroot, etc
[12:43] <godo> how to fix it,cindux?
[12:43] <cindux> huh?
[12:43] <Funto> ok thx randabis
[12:43] <bascule> cindux: sets mode +e no new memos? If so good
[12:43] <cindux> = /
[12:44] <bascule> 23:44 -!- Mode change [+e]  for user bascule
[12:44] <bascule> 23:44 -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- You have no new memos
[12:44] <cindux> oh
[12:44] <cindux> yes i saw that
[12:44] <cindux> lol
[12:44] <bascule> coolyou are in .. :)
[12:44] <cindux> :D
[12:44] <godo> how i get the icons Trash and Desktop back?
[12:45] <cindux> do you mean the desktop icons ?
[12:45] <cindux> or the ones in the bottom menu
[12:45] <Funto> with gconf-editor I think
[12:45] <godo> on the left
[12:45] <Funto> if you're talking about the icons on the desktop
[12:45] <godo> there is only a thumbnail
[12:46] <godo> on the down panel
[12:47] <tweek888> is there a guide to basic compileing?
[12:47] <bascule> ./configure && make && sudo make install <-- that easy
[12:47] <tweek888> can you explain sudo?
[12:48] <cindux> lol
[12:48] <cindux> is sudo an acronym ?
[12:48] <bascule> do as [S] uper [U] ser
[12:48] <tweek888> k
[12:48] <cindux> that cheap crap
[12:48] <Funto> bascule >> but there isn't gcc on Ubuntu....
[12:48] <tweek888> well ive tried make and it says theres no makefile =\
[12:48] <bascule> Funto: oh there is I can assure you
[12:48] <cindux> this may be dumb
[12:48] <cindux> what is the difference between root & super user?
[12:48] <bascule> none
[12:49] <Funto> at least in my Hoary distrib, the package gcc isn't installed...
[12:49] <cindux> 2 words for the same thing ?
[12:49] <Funto> (I wanted to say Warty)
[12:49] <cindux> so, when i type sudo su i'm basically asking for a session as root
[12:49] <bascule> Funto: not installed is none, not the same ... :)
[12:49] <cindux> aka super user?
[12:49] <bascule> yup, aka god aka ownz everything and everyone
[12:49] <cindux> woah
[12:49] <cindux> cool ^
[12:50] <tobbe> If I've understand it right there can be many super users, and root is one of them_
[12:50] <tobbe> ?
[12:50] <bascule> "Do not take the name of root in vain" -- Linus Torvalds
[12:50] <cindux> maker of the linux kernel
[12:50] <cindux> at something university
[12:50] <bascule> yes, he said that
[12:50] <cindux> lol
[12:50] <cindux> cool name
[12:50] <cindux> who looks at a kid & says Linus
[12:51] <Firsti> Linus Torvalds was born in finland, me too :)
[12:51] <bascule> tobbe: no many users can sudo but only ever one super user uid=0 root
[12:51] <Funto> tobbe: there is juste one superuser...
[12:51] <cindux> .. I wonder if Linus was born as Tommy
[12:51] <celerex> someone wanna tell me why ubuntu requires i have mpm-worker installed but can't have mpm-prefork as well for apache? But mod-php required mpm-prefork
[12:51] <Funto> and his name is root
[12:51] <tobbe> Ok
[12:51] <cindux> :O
[12:51] <hummm> sorry i know this is off topic, but this is a helpful channel and programers linger here too. How can one tell DDD to display struct members with names?
[12:51] <izo> how can i unpack compressed ubuntu mainmod1.mod file ?
[12:51] <theine> hi, will libavcodeccvs eventually enter multiverse?
[12:52] <tobbe> cindux, A Finnish mom and dad looks at a kid and says Linus ;)
[12:52] <Funto> hummm: what is DDD?
[12:52] <valdez> hrm su does not stand for super user really
[12:52] <cindux> loll
[12:52] <theine> valdez: it doesn't?
[12:52] <tobbe> switch user
[12:53] <valdez> substitute user
[12:53] <valdez> ;)
[12:53] <theine> i see
[12:53] <hummm> Funto: it's a front end for gdb
[12:53] <valdez> it's not just for mr root
[12:53] <theine> nice to know
[12:53] <hummm> (not that it matters)
[12:53] <valdez> :)
[12:53] <Funto> ok
[12:53] <Funto> so I can't help you hummm ^^
[12:53] <Funto> printf is your friend...:p
[12:54] <tobbe> well, it does kind of matter... you can do 'su <what ever username>' to change to any user
[12:54] <bascule> switch user or super user, hence sudo, maybe ..
[12:54] <valdez> does anyone where I can find the homepage of totem?
[12:54] <bascule> sudo bascule 'some task' also works though
[12:55] <Funto> the page for Totem sends a 404 error :(
[12:55] <Funto> well I'm going to sleep
[12:55] <Funto> bye everybody
[12:55] <Funto> +
[12:56] <bascule> laters
[12:57] <tobbe> I'm trying to compile a program and get this message: Checking for C header file time.h... no
[12:57] <tobbe> Did not find the header time.h
[12:57] <tobbe> What do I have to apt-get to get time.h?
[12:59] <bascule> tobbe: depends what time.h it wants they exist for a few things, libc6-dev, glibc-dev
[01:00] <nealmcb> how do I find out the status of a package in various ubuntu releases?  e.g. whether hplip is in hoary yet?  I.e. I'm looking for ubuntu versions of debian web pages like http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/hplip
[01:00] <tobbe> bascule, How do I find that out?
[01:01] <bascule> find what out?
[01:01] <bascule> it's libc6-dev in this case
[01:02] <tobbe> ok, thanks
[01:02] <Lethorion> hi, how do I set it up so entrance is started at boot and not gdm?
[01:03] <tobbe> bascule, I already have that installed
[01:04] <randabis> nealmcb, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[01:04] <bascule>  < bascule> tobbe: depends what time.h it wants they exist for a few things
[01:05] <bascule> could be glibc-linux-headers or a python package wxPythin
[01:05] <kent> is there a way to make perl script executed from / in apache? i can execute them from cgi-bin, but i cant find any documents about running them from / instead :(
[01:06] <bascule> stlport-STLPORT_5_0
[01:06] <bascule> howl-0.9.8:/usr/include/howl/salt/time.h
[01:07] <tobbe> I'll try with stlport-dev
[01:07] <bascule> yeah, it's about narrowing down what it needs
[01:07] <nealmcb> randabis: thanks!!
[01:07] <randabis> np
[01:08] <I_Need_Help> whats a word processor I can use in Ubuntu
[01:09] <delltony> question if you have never set a root password on ubuntu how do you go about setting it? i try to su root but i can't it ask for a password but i know i haven't set up
[01:09] <I_Need_Help> delltony: just use 'su'
[01:09] <tobbe> I_Need_Help, try oowriter (OpenOffice.org Writer)
[01:10] <delltony> ok
[01:10] <delltony> su ask for a password
[01:10] <delltony> what do i enter
[01:10] <I_Need_Help> ur password you set ubuntu with
[01:10] <delltony> doesn't work i'm telling you
[01:10] <I_Need_Help> then you do not know your password
[01:10] <delltony> what did i just say :)
[01:10] <delltony> it was never set
[01:10] <bascule> su wants root password which doesn't exist
[01:11] <bascule> sudo su
[01:11] <I_Need_Help> sudo su
[01:11] <FLeiXiuS> bascule: sudo passwd root
[01:11] <FLeiXiuS> bascule: then you can use su -
[01:11] <bascule> or that
[01:11] <delltony> got it
[01:11] <delltony> thanks
[01:11] <bascule> sudo su && paswd
[01:11] <bascule> sudo su && passwd
[01:11] <FLeiXiuS> bascule: no..
[01:11] <I_Need_Help> and ty for the OOwriter
[01:11] <delltony> i got it
[01:12] <bascule> FLeiXiuS: OK, I got it...
[01:12] <bascule> <-- knows sudo su works
[01:15] <tobbe> bascule, Still can't find time.h I've got glibc, stlport and libc6 installed
[01:15] <delltony> wonder k3b has to run with sudo k3b i can't get it to do the k3bsetup and add the root pass
[01:16] <Lethorion> is it enough to just remove the gdm symlink in /etc/rc5.d and add a entrance symlink for it to run entrance and not run gdm?
[01:19] <LonelyRat> hiya
[01:19] <LonelyRat> how can i get aterm to use the font "bitstream vera sans mono" instead of an ugly bitmap font
[01:21] <bascule> tobbe: what are you trying to build
[01:22] <bascule> LonelyRat: I don't think aterm supports 2-bythe fonts
[01:22] <bascule> byte*
[01:22] <felix_1> Hi all, apache2 cannot runs scripts (php; etc...) : "User not alowed to run scripts" : Someone knows what that means ?
[01:24] <LonelyRat> aww
[01:24] <LonelyRat> xterm supports it, i thought aterm was based on xterm
[01:24] <spinifex> When I hit 'logout' in gnome, it takes about 5 minutes for it to actually show the dialog box where I can select shutdown/restart.  I think this may be caused by my graphics card not liking the dimming effect it's supposed to do.  I'm using Hoary.  Advice?
[01:24] <bascule> don't think any term does really konsole and gnome-terminal have a go but they look awful
[01:24] <spinifex> I already hit the button, still waiting for it to show
[01:24] <LonelyRat> xterm looks nice
[01:24] <LonelyRat> but i can't get it transparent and tinted
[01:25] <bascule> xterm wont do those things no
[01:25] <spinifex> my chipset is very crappy, but I am able to play chromium and frozen bubble and armagetron straight from processor, very fast
[01:25] <tobbe> bascule, I'm trying to build linuxdcpp
[01:25] <spinifex> ah, there it is
[01:26] <spinifex> know how I can disable the effect or something?  I don't want to wait 5 minutes while it does nothing every time I want to shutdown
[01:28] <spinifex> hmm, actually, once I've made it show the logout thing, it will quickly load it again.
[01:28] <spinifex> any reason for this slowness?
[01:29] <tobbe> bascule, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de
[01:29] <spinifex> running out of batteries, brb
[01:29] <felix_1> ... sorry for re-asking: Apache2 cannot runs php scripts: "User not alowed to run scripts" : what that means ??? I am newbie in webserver instasllation-configuration
[01:30] <bascule> tobbe: needs a cvs checkout right?
[01:30] <bascule> <-- can't be bothered
[01:31] <ultrahex> hmmmm PalmPilot Support ..
[01:33] <tobbe> bascule, yeah, it needs a cvs checkout, but it's really small. Will only take a couple of secs on a .5MBit connection
[01:34] <aardvark> hwo do I do a reisnstall of Gnome ? on warty
[01:34] <nealmcb> randabis: I pointed to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/  from a few ubuntu wiki pages
[01:34] <lupusBE> can someone tell me if gnome-vfs depends on libgnome ?
[01:34] <lupusBE> gconf seems to be without it
[01:34] <lupusBE> but whatabout gnome-vfs?
[01:35] <aardvark> anyone help me with reinstalling gnome ?
[01:35] <bascule> tobbe: all right then ... ;)
[01:35] <GammaRay> aardvark: that's probably not necessicary.
[01:35] <GammaRay> aardvark: what's the problem?
[01:36] <randabis> mmk
[01:36] <aardvark> I installed ATI drivers and know gnome is not working properly
[01:36] <aardvark> I get login
[01:36] <ultrahex> can someone help me with jpilot
[01:36] <ultrahex> i cant figure out what to put for "/dev/ttyUSB ..."
[01:36] <aardvark> then just hangs for while and pops out back to login screen
[01:37] <aardvark> did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:37] <GammaRay> aardvark: so you get to the graphical login screen?
[01:37] <aardvark> yes
[01:37] <aardvark> its like gnome is wacky
[01:38] <GammaRay> can you try creating another user and logging in with it?
[01:38] <delltony> dang how do you change the themes for xchat? i'm in small fugly mode :)
[01:38] <aardvark> hmm let me try
[01:39] <bascule> tobbe: client/QueueManager.h:174: warning: taking address of temporary
[01:39] <bascule> scons: *** [build/client/ADLSearch.o]  Error 1
[01:39] <bascule> scons: building terminated because of errors.
[01:39] <bascule> faile anyway
[01:39] <tobbe> But you didn't get the time.h error?
[01:39] <ultrahex> how would i list connected devices (such as USB and serial etc)
[01:39] <bascule> lsusb
[01:40] <GammaRay> aardvark: FYI: go to the first VT, login, then enter: sudo adduser test1
[01:40] <ultrahex> bascule: ok now how would i change bus and device # to a /dev/pilot
[01:41] <bascule> no idea
[01:41] <GammaRay> aardvark: you should also check ~/.xsession-errors
[01:41] <ultrahex> ugh ://///
[01:42] <aardvark> GammaRay: you beut
[01:42] <aardvark> beaut!
[01:42] <aardvark> it must be a permissions issue
[01:43] <aardvark> checking .xsession for my account
[01:43] <Rocha> Hello
[01:43] <arbeck> I'm having trouble trying to connect an external USB hard drive... I can see it when i do an fdisk -l and I have my /etc/fstab set up for it... but it won't mount
[01:43] <GammaRay> one time .Xauthority was owned by root and that caused a similar problem for me
[01:44] <Rocha> Do you know the name of the program to enable drop shadows in xorg
[01:44] <Rocha> ?
[01:44] <bascule> ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority
[01:45] <bascule> Rocha: xcompmgr
[01:45] <bascule> transset
[01:45] <Rocha> bascule, thanks
[01:46] <bascule> Rocha: it's buggy as hell and will probably freeze your desktop
[01:48] <Rocha> btw, can i watch divx with totem-gstreamer?
[01:48] <bascule> totem-xine
[01:48] <Rocha> bascule, and dvd's ?
[01:48] <bascule> needs win32codecs I think, or is there an open one for it now , I can't remeber
[01:49] <Rocha> i can't download totem-xine (dialup connection)
[01:49] <GammaRay> win32-codecs is much larger AFAIK
[01:49] <bascule> dvd's work for me, I use xine, I haven't had a go at totem yet, I like xine, has always worked for me
[01:50] <bascule> that gstramer thing is new and strange to me :)
[01:50] <Rocha> i hope gstreamer replaces xine soon
[01:50] <lupusBE> gstreamer is still giving sync probs here
[01:50] <bascule> I dont I hope its the other way .. :)
[01:50] <lupusBE> with audio and video :(
[01:51] <Neil3> i have problems with gstreamer too
[01:51] <aardvark> GammaRay: it seems that there is a lot of weird issues now with gnome
[01:51] <bascule> kill esd and gstreamer bring in jackd and xine-libs for all
[01:51] <Neil3> try to avoid it if possible
[01:51] <GammaRay> dlocate says totem-xine is 2M and win32-codecs is 12M ( a little low to me)
[01:51] <AlphaXero> totem-xine doesnt come with the lidvdcss2 codec that it needs
[01:52] <AlphaXero> besides, 12M seems a little high for a codec, not the other way around
[01:52] <aardvark> GammaRay: how do I do a fresh install of gnome ?
[01:52] <GammaRay> AlphaXero: it includes *many* codecs
[01:52] <bascule> AlphaXero: not one codec lots, wmv wma in there too
[01:53] <AlphaXero> so why is totem-xine small is my point
[01:53] <arbeck> Can someone help me with mounting a usb hard drive?
[01:53] <Underlord> does ubuntu (non live) have any sort of firewall by default?
[01:53] <AlphaXero> i think 2M seems about right
[01:53] <bascule> Underlord: all Linux has a default firewall at the kernel level, apps are just front ends to that
[01:54] <GammaRay> aardvark: the main settings files in your home dir are ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconfd
[01:54] <AlphaXero> i installed VLC and it works pretty well for dvd's
[01:54] <AlphaXero> if anyone is still around that had that concern
[01:54] <ultrahex> man im having so much trouble getting palm to work with UBUNTU
[01:55] <AlphaXero> i know we were talking about it earlier
[01:55] <Neil3> AlphaXero, totem-xine is small cos it uses xinelib to do it's stuff
[01:55] <GammaRay> aardvark: I would use mv so as to keep them just in case
[01:55] <Neil3> it's just a shell for it
[01:55] <Underlord> well i just tried to use a java applet in firefox that connects to 8801 of a server, and it failed
[01:55] <Underlord> just wanted to know if it was on my end
[01:56] <ubuntu2u> hey
[01:56] <GammaRay> aardvark: the reason you have to reinstall in windows is because windows usually does not seperate the settings.
[01:56] <Neil3> it really is that small :)
[01:56] <Rocha> bye, this dialup connection is expensive
[01:56] <SeanQ> Wow.
[01:56] <alumik> hi
[01:56] <SeanQ> It was THAT easy.
[01:56] <SeanQ> I was about to go back to Fedora, but alas, it was all MY fault
[01:56] <ubuntu2u> where do the files that i "save to disk" go?
[01:57] <SeanQ> I put in "prism2_usb", was supposed to put in "wlan0"
[01:57] <ubuntu2u> it didn't give ma an option
[01:57] <SeanQ> when I put in wlan0, boom, i've got web
[01:57] <SeanQ> save to disk should go to../home/username
[01:57] <SeanQ> i think
[01:57] <SeanQ> question
[01:57] <ubuntu2u> seanq, are you having problems connecting to your internet?
[01:57] <SeanQ> i was, but i was so stupid
[01:57] <SeanQ> it was trivial
[01:57] <SeanQ> Question.
[01:57] <aardvark> GammaRay: so move the gconf files and then what ?
[01:57] <SeanQ> Where are my win32 files?
[01:57] <aardvark> restart gdm
[01:58] <SeanQ> meaning my ntfs files
[01:58] <GammaRay> aardvark: relogin
[01:58] <aardvark> cool
[01:58] <bascule> SeanQ: /dev/hda1 at a guess
[01:58] <AlphaXero> ok i'm starting to have fun with ubuntu
[01:58] <SeanQ> NvM found in UbuntuGuide
[01:58] <ubuntu2u> sean
[01:58] <ubuntu2u> are you having problems connecting to your internet?
[01:59] <SeanQ> no..i'm connected
[01:59] <ubuntu2u> lol ok
[02:00] <SeanQ> finally.
[02:00] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me with telling me where my files go when i download them and save them to disk... it didn't give me an option. it just said save to disk
[02:00] <Neil3> into ~ usually
[02:00] <tobbe> ubuntu2u, look in /home/<username>/
[02:00] <Neil3> your home dir
[02:01] <tommy> hey, i have a problem.  i just did a fresh install of ubuntu but i cant use sudo to run commands (its asking for a password even though i havent set one with `sudo passwd root`).  what should i do?
[02:01] <tobbe> just open up a console and enter 'cd'
[02:01] <Seq> tommy: it wants your user password
[02:01] <tommy> oh
[02:01] <tobbe> and then 'ls' and you should see the file you downloaded
[02:02] <tommy> Seq, thanks.  i feel a lot dumber ;)
[02:02] <Neil3> its your user password hehe
[02:02] <ubuntu2u> tobbe/neil3: sorry for sounding like a noob but where do i go to get to home directory
[02:02] <GammaRay> ubuntu2u: compuer -> home
[02:02] <ubuntu2u> nvm
[02:02] <ubuntu2u> found it lol
[02:02] <Neil3> in /home/ubuntu2u
[02:02] <Neil3> everything in there is your stuff
[02:03] <Neil3> your settings and personal files
[02:03] <nal> hi i was wondering if some one could tell me how to make a back up cd with stuff like ndiswrapper and other things ineed and make apt-get or sanaptic see it
[02:06] <arbeck> I am unable to mount and external USB hard drive.  It mounts just find on my mac and and XP machine... the ubuntu box also mounts my digital camera as a USB hd automatically... can someone help me out?
[02:07] <cindux> back :D
[02:07] <cindux> damn't
[02:07] <cindux> anyone know what codecs i need for wmv & mpeg in Totem
[02:08] <Civic> hallo
[02:08] <cindux> allo
[02:08] <cindux> everyones quiet
[02:09] <Civic> where can i ask something about ubuntu?
[02:09] <mike998_AFK> best off asking in #ubuntu
[02:09] <Civic> i'm speeking from greece
[02:09] <LinuxJones> Civic, right her :P
[02:09] <LinuxJones> Civic, err here
[02:09] <Civic> well
[02:10] <Civic> i have installed ubuntu 4.10 in my pc
[02:10] <Civic> i have a problem with my modem device
[02:10] <cindux> external / internal ?
[02:10] <Civic> i have an ISDN
[02:10] <Civic> external
[02:10] <cindux> ah
[02:10] <cindux> ok and the problem?
[02:11] <Civic> it's USB
[02:11] <Archon> how do you activate root?
[02:11] <Civic> the name of the modem is
[02:11] <Civic> Intracom Netmod
[02:11] <cindux> Have you tried Netowkring COnfig
[02:11] <Civic> the problem is that i can't communicate with the modem
[02:12] <cindux> Go to Computer > System Configuration > Network Settings
[02:12] <cindux> I had to do manualy as well
[02:12] <cindux> takes a few seconds
[02:12] <Civic> i cant find ttyACMO in my /dev/tty list for the modem
[02:13] <Civic> it has only the ttyS0,1,2,3,
[02:13] <cindux> hm odd
[02:13] <cindux> have you posted on the forum?
[02:13] <Civic> no
[02:13] <cindux> I'd recommend that
[02:13] <Civic> :)
[02:13] <cindux> I just began with Ubuntu & LInux a few days ago
[02:14] <cindux> I cant really offer any help
[02:14] <cindux> still learning the shell :p
[02:14] <Civic> :)
[02:14] <bc> gedit
[02:14] <cindux> hm ... #gimp is the shitty channel lol
[02:14] <bc> (sorry! typed in wrong text box!
[02:14] <cindux> those assholes never talk
[02:15] <tommy> anyone want to help me with getting divx support?
[02:15] <tommy> these wiki instructions arent working..
[02:16] <cindux> :p
[02:16] <trashmatic> hey, im a new user, and i need some help printing to a windows computer via samba
[02:16] <trashmatic> i got it to work on fedora 2, but the config tools are different here...
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> when i download a file it won't let me open it
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help?
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> it says "can't display location"
[02:18] <trashmatic> i mean, what needs to go in the "host" and "printer" fields? what syntax? and when i put in the username and password it gets all mangled if i open the properties window again
[02:18] <trashmatic> i can't find any documentation
[02:19] <arbeck> trashmatic: i've always found it easier to put the printer on linux and print to it from windows
[02:19] <cindux> get ready everyone for an extremely stupid ass question..
[02:20] <cindux> I'm from windows, never going back... I was just wondering before i create a folder on the desktop
[02:20] <trashmatic> arbeck: i'd like to be able to do that, but because of location and family politics, it's not happening
[02:20] <cindux> is their a DIR already on ubuntu
[02:20] <cindux> for "my files"
[02:20] <cindux> "my documents"
[02:20] <cindux> etc
[02:20] <trashmatic> arbeck: either i get it to print from linux, or this computer turns windows, unfortunately
[02:21] <wasabi_> So I'm looking for a good utility of some sort to get some sort of load graph for each of my HDs... suggestions?
[02:21] <tobbe> cindux, no. Just create them in your home folder
[02:21] <wasabi_> graphical, etc.
[02:21] <cindux> =
[02:21] <brrrrt> does anyone know if its save to uninstall and reinstall all perl packages using apt ?
[02:21] <cindux> my home folder would be... home/cindux ?
[02:21] <tobbe> yeag
[02:21] <wasabi_> brrrrt, why would you?
[02:21] <rockwilder> i try to install the ati drivers with this faq http://www.melb.apana.org.au/Melb/MelbWiki/ATIRadeon9600 but i don't understand this part...
[02:21] <rockwilder> make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-<arch>" --revision "<vers>"--added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.12.0 modules_image
[02:22] <cindux> hm
[02:22] <brrrrt> wasabi: i seem to have broken perl modules
[02:22] <cindux> oh, how do i list ALL files with the "ls" command
[02:22] <cindux> ls -a?
[02:22] <trashmatic> wasabi_: gkrellm?
[02:22] <bascule> ls -al
[02:22] <cindux> bla
[02:22] <cindux> thanks
[02:22] <cindux> i was close!
[02:22] <bascule> or -a
[02:22] <rockwilder> can anyone help? ^^
[02:22] <arbeck> rockwilder, what do you need?
[02:23] <rockwilder> i don't know what i must select
[02:23] <bascule> either -a shows . files add the l you get file info add an h you get 'human readable' file sizes
[02:23] <rockwilder> sorry for my bad english
[02:23] <bascule> ls -alh
[02:23] <rockwilder> make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-<arch>" --revision "<vers>"--added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.12.0 modules_image
[02:23] <cindux> ah icic
[02:23] <cindux> i wanna figure out everything
[02:24] <cindux> i went to a site for the command line introduction
[02:24] <cindux> says type bla bla to do bla bla
[02:24] <cindux> but doesnt say what it is..
[02:24] <cindux> like the program "less" that lets you text files
[02:24] <cindux> didnt tell me what less actually meant
[02:24] <bascule> cindux: http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html <-- your ready ;)
[02:25] <bascule> http://linuxcommand.org
[02:25] <cindux> perty
[02:25] <cindux> been there :p
[02:25] <cindux> i've been using it
[02:25] <bascule> too easy for the likes of you though
[02:25] <arbeck> cindux: i'd highly suggest getting a basic linux/unix book or printing out a guide... it's helpful and good to have around as a reference (espcially when you get stuck in vi)
[02:25] <cindux> Oo
[02:25] <trashmatic> cindux: there's a free book called "linux: rute user's tutorial and exposition"
[02:25] <cindux> i have a chapters gift thingy lol
[02:25] <SeanQ> wonder what i'll do with my "Fedora Core 3 for Dummies" book now
[02:26] <cindux> :P
[02:26] <SeanQ> I'll read it, it still gives some good general information
[02:26] <trashmatic> cindux: i have the hard copy, and it's great, everything is done on the command line and explained
[02:26] <cindux> hm maybe ill check it out
[02:26] <cindux> is it free + shipping or something
[02:26] <trashmatic> cindux: i think the text is free online as html or pdf
[02:27] <Neil3> this site is awesome SeanQ: http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[02:27] <cindux> k searchin for it
[02:27] <trashmatic> cindux: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[02:27] <cindux> I downloaded several pdf's before to
[02:27] <cindux> but they were to big
[02:27] <bascule> 01:25 < bascule> http://linuxcommand.org ;P
[02:27] <trashmatic> it's all html
[02:28] <Neil3> haha i didnt see that sorry
[02:28] <SeanQ> NICE, Neil3.
[02:28] <Neil3> but that just proves how good a site it is
[02:28] <SeanQ> Is there anyway I can change the Xchat theme here in ubuntu?
[02:28] <cindux> ah trash looks good
[02:28] <cindux> thanks alot
[02:29] <trashmatic> hth
[02:29] <s1amson> typing 'info' in a shell gives  good basic commands as well
[02:29] <arbeck> SeanQ, it should pick up whatever gnome theme you are running
[02:29] <SeanQ> ah, mmkay.
[02:29] <SeanQ> Well, this black background + white font kinda clash
[02:29] <ultrahex> hmmm
[02:30] <s1amson> goto xchat prefs, and change it
[02:30] <arbeck> SeanQ, settings->prefrences-> interface->colours
[02:30] <SeanQ> ooh, transparency looks good
[02:30] <mike998_AFK> seaj
[02:30] <cindux> how can i exit the terminal from the terminal ?
[02:30] <cindux> quit / exit ?
[02:30] <SeanQ> cindux, type "exit"
[02:31] <cindux> ah
[02:31] <mike998_AFK> SeanQ check out the art ubuntu forums... there are some nice examples of what you can do
[02:31] <cindux> the command line makes me feel powerful :D
[02:31] <s1amson> the command line _makes_ you powerful
[02:31] <s1amson> its not a false feeling :]
[02:31] <bascule> cindux: that is because it is thee mostpowerful tool in modern cmputing, without equal in any way
[02:31] <cindux> lol :P
[02:32] <cindux> woo
[02:32] <bascule> "beware the power of the enter key" -- some dude
[02:32] <s1amson> funny thing, its not a modern concept, original DOS wernt none too shabby
[02:32] <SeanQ> WOAH!
[02:32] <_|Immanewbie|_> Hi everyone, guys I'm having trouble to partition my disk
[02:32] <SeanQ> 14,211 files!
[02:33] <arbeck> i cut my teeth on DOS... but i always replaced command.com with 4dos.com
[02:33] <arbeck> that made it cool
[02:33] <s1amson> :]
[02:33] <bascule> s1amson: been arount since 1971 or something, just never bettered, cause it does what you tell it and that is that :))
[02:33] <arbeck> Can anyone give me some advice about an external USB hard drive?
[02:33] <Gul3> hello. could my ubuntu computer been affected by a virus or something if i'm not running any apps, or heavy processes that i know of, but still system monitor says 100% cpu load and about 200 MB used memory...? this does not make any sense to me at least..
[02:33] <s1amson> nice to be in control over your computer <bashing> than the computer in control over you </bashing>
[02:34] <bascule> plug it in type dmesg see where it connected it mount -t auto /dev/sd?? /some/dir
[02:34] <cindux> back
[02:34] <tobbe> arbeck, As in which one to get?
[02:34] <_|Immanewbie|_> Gul3 linux has no virus
[02:34] <bestadvocate> anyone here running hoary?
[02:34] <s1amson> yes, there are linux viruses
[02:34] <s1amson> about 12
[02:34] <Gul3> slamson is right
[02:34] <s1amson> and... all open source :P
[02:34] <cindux> lol
[02:34] <Gul3> lol
[02:34] <cindux> hm
[02:34] <cindux> funny, windows faces 12+ a day
[02:35] <cindux> new :O
[02:35] <bascule> s1amson: yeah, but I challenge you to *find* me one, a real live file, I wanna see it ...
[02:35] <arbeck> bascule: the dmsg is filled with errors... it can't read the partition table
[02:35] <LinuxJones> Gul3, run top and see what is hogging your cpu
[02:35] <_|Immanewbie|_> s1amson I have never heard about alinux virus at least in the windows concept (some program that infects you and you cant see it)
[02:35] <Seq> Gul3: it could be a system process in the background (like updatedb or something). open a terminal, and run `top`
[02:35] <s1amson> first written was a trojan, and i could be wrong.... but its atleast 5 years old, and actually comes with a 'disinfect' command for the end user
[02:35] <e-Jah> lut
[02:35] <cindux> must learn..
[02:36] <bestadvocate> anyone have problems with sound juicer crashing when you start the wrip
[02:36] <cindux> what is the "end" user
[02:36] <s1amson> bascule:  try gogle.com/linux - no need for me to do the grunt work :P
[02:36] <Gul3> i'm running top now, but i can't even see all the processes. it's so many!
[02:36] <bascule> s1amson: yeah there are root kits too, guess I caould go into IRC warez land, but I'd rather not .. ugggh those people
[02:36] <_|Immanewbie|_> Does anyone here knows an alternative to partition magic?
[02:36] <Gul3> parted
[02:36] <Neil3> qtparted
[02:36] <mroth> _|Immanewbie|_: ntfsresize
[02:36] <_|Immanewbie|_> I need something for windoes
[02:36] <Seq> Gul3: type "p"
[02:36] <cindux> fdisk
[02:36] <cindux> lol
[02:37] <_|Immanewbie|_> my partition magic says erro 117
[02:37] <_|Immanewbie|_> error
[02:37] <arbeck> bascule:  I need to know if there is a way to fdisk the usb drive
[02:37] <mebaran151> hey
[02:37] <Seq> Gul3: sorry, thats a capital P
[02:37] <mebaran151> I am setting up vsftpd
[02:37] <Gul3> top -P  ?
[02:37] <mebaran151> I would like a couple of tips
[02:37] <mebaran151> vsftpd
[02:37] <bascule> arbeck: cfdisk /dev/sda <-- or b or c or d
[02:37] <mebaran151> what contstitutes a user that is able to use ftp
[02:37] <Gul3> Seq, i'm not get you here
[02:37] <Gul3> type P?
[02:37] <Seq> Gul3: just "P" while top is running, and it will sort by processor usage
[02:37] <mebaran151> do I have to add them to a special group
[02:37] <s1amson> Gul3: try ps ux (for your user only) and 'ps aux' will list all
[02:38] <arbeck> bascule: that gives me a fatal error :)
[02:38] <arbeck> bascule:  the funny thing is it works great on OSX and XP
[02:38] <bascule> not sounding too healthy, do you have front and rear usb ports? If so try the other way
[02:38] <Gul3> i'm not getting anyway.. i'm not too experienced linux user:/
[02:39] <Gul3> i get a lot of output, but i don't know what i am looking after..
[02:40] <s1amson> Gul3: what are you trying to do?
[02:40] <Gul3> free up some cpu load
[02:40] <s1amson> ahh
[02:40] <arbeck> bascule:  I wonder if I can fix it in OSX or on an XP box
[02:40] <Seq> Gul3: there is a column labelled "%CPU". By typing "P" into top, you're sorting by that column. You can look down and find the process using the most cpu, and see what it is (under the "command" column)
[02:40] <arbeck> bascule:  and then try to mount it here
[02:40] <Gul3> it says 100% without any apps running
[02:40] <s1amson> think top is the only cmd line tool that will give you an active cup list
[02:40] <s1amson> cpu*
[02:40] <ubuntu2u> hey
[02:41] <ubuntu2u> does ubuntu have telnet?
[02:41] <s1amson> could be wrong
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Gul3, you could paste the output of top to www.pastebin.ca, then post the link to the irc channel :)
[02:41] <bascule> arbeck: I guess I have never used an extrernal drive, just thumbs
[02:41] <ubuntu2u> does ubuntu have linux?
[02:41] <bascule> ???????
[02:41] <cindux> = /
[02:41] <_|Immanewbie|_> there is any way to "fix" my partition table?
[02:41] <cindux> lol
[02:41] <arbeck> bascule: well, I had an extra 30gb drive sitting around so i spent $15 on a case and made it into an external drive
[02:41] <cindux> it uses the linux kernel ;)
[02:41] <fsc> ubuntu2u, no. it's got windows
[02:41] <cindux> so ye
[02:42] <fsc> it's the NT kernel underneath
[02:42] <l3m> i want to start vsftpd but get 500 OOPS: could not bind to IPv4 socket.. any ideas?
[02:42] <bascule> arbeck: rightly so, I really dunno whats u with it
[02:42] <bascule> arbeck: do you have an fstab entry for another usb device in there?
[02:42] <Gul3> how can i get the output of top to a plain text file? can't get to the bottom line
[02:43] <Gul3> lol
[02:43] <ubuntu2u> can i use telnet on ubuntu?
[02:43] <felix_1> Soryy .... Really need to know whay apache2 is unable to run php scripts: The module is loaded... but "User is not allowed to run scripts"-> from error.log need help!!!
[02:43] <bascule> Gul3: top -n 20 file.txt <-- that
[02:43] <bascule> cat file.txt | less
[02:43] <randabis> ubuntu2u, apt-get install telnetd I think
[02:43] <bascule> that ^ ?
[02:43] <bascule> telnet, shudder
[02:43] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, don't use telnet use ssh
[02:44] <Gul3> bascule: unknown augument 't'
[02:44] <Gul3> ??
[02:44] <arbeck> bascule: i don't have an entry for any USB devices... it mounts my USB camera as a drive just fine without it
[02:44] <cindux> i asked a question b4 but was afk
[02:44] <bascule> Gul3: eh?
[02:44] <cindux> im new to ubuntu really, & just wonderin if theirs a "my documents"
[02:44] <cindux> or folder for my files
[02:45] <Gul3> top -n 20 file.txt leavs me that output
[02:45] <LinuxJones> felix_1, change your php ownership with chmod ?
[02:45] <LinuxJones> felix_1, and make them executable
[02:45] <arbeck> cindux: just create a folder in your home directory
[02:45] <bascule> Gul3: woops. command failure
[02:45] <bascule> lol
[02:45] <cindux> er
[02:45] <cindux> i dont know hoe :(
[02:45] <cindux> if you mean the desktop, I'd rather not have it on their
[02:45] <bascule> head -n 20
[02:45] <cindux> I like iconless
[02:45] <arbeck> cindux: mkdir documents
[02:46] <bascule> head top , I dunno,
[02:46] <felix_1> linuxjones : what ?
[02:46] <bascule> nah top is a monitor
[02:46] <arbeck> cindux: cd ~ will take you to your home
[02:46] <cindux> i know :P
[02:46] <bestadvocate> sound juicer is broken
[02:47] <bascule> cindux: in firefox is that what you want to change?
[02:47] <cindux> ?
[02:47] <cindux> I just want to create a DIR off the desktop to store .html files
[02:47] <bascule> edit download directories
[02:47] <felix_1> LinuxJones: you mean if apache 2 User and grp is "www-data" then chown php-exec to this ?
[02:47] <cindux> if I place it in /home it wont show on my desktop right ?
[02:47] <bascule> mkdir ~/web
[02:47] <LinuxJones> felix_1, I don't run apache or php but it sounds like you need to make your php scripts executable and change ownsership
[02:47] <cindux> bascule where would that place it ?
[02:47] <bascule> no /home/Desktop goes on the dektop
[02:48] <LinuxJones> felix_1, yeah
[02:48] <cindux> /home/cindux
[02:48] <bascule> ~/web would be /home/cindux/web
[02:48] <cindux> is cindux a dir ?
[02:48] <bascule> depends on your user name ( are you taking the piss?)
[02:48] <cindux> oh icicic
[02:48] <cindux> lol
[02:48] <LinuxJones> felix_1, but I'm not sure 100% sure on that what does that error.log file say ?
[02:49] <bascule> :)))
[02:49] <trashmatic> okay, this is really troubling. i'm trying to configure cups myself, but ubuntu has disabled the web interface!? "for my protection", i'm sure, but i want to turn it on, thanks
[02:49] <felix_1>  LinuxJones: no- you are not correct, php script files no need to be exec ... apache cannot run the script. php module is loaded but intuitively, I suspect a misconf in the apache or/and php rights
[02:50] <trashmatic> because the print config app doesnt work, or at least isnt adequately documented :/
[02:50] <cindux> hm
[02:50] <cindux> if im in a different dir in the term does it matter
[02:50] <cindux> or do i have to be in /home/cindux when i do mkdir ~/web
[02:51] <bascule> no ~ will expand to /home/cindux
[02:51] <cindux> :(
[02:51] <cindux> to much lol
[02:51] <bascule> or /home/<whoever>/
[02:51] <ubuntu2u> does anyoen here know how to hack?
[02:51] <bascule> ubuntu2u: shut up
[02:51] <cindux> ubuntu theirs really no such thing as hacking
[02:51] <cindux> all hacking is is knowing certain holes & flaws & exposing them
[02:52] <ubuntu2u> bascule, shut up you have a small penis
[02:52] <cindux> =/
[02:52] <_|Immanewbie|_> my partition magic says error 117. Ive google and found no solution =/
[02:52] <ubuntu2u> we all know so stop hiding it
[02:52] <trashmatic> the ~ is really quite cool, but you could always type /home/username if you rather, no harm ;)
[02:52] <bascule> I haven;t, but I suspect you said that for a reaon
[02:52] <LinuxJones> felix_1, like I said I don't know just offering sugggestion
[02:52] <ubuntu2u> yes
[02:52] <cindux> ah
[02:52] <cindux> ?
[02:52] <cindux> mkdir ~web /home/cindux ?
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> because i was watching you change last night when a popup came onto my computer for dad's and kids going at it and i thought to myself.... hmmm thaat kid has a small penis
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> so i quickly exited
[02:53] <trashmatic> no, you'd use 'mkdir /home/cindux/web', that means the same as 'mkdir ~/web'
[02:53] <cindux> ah
[02:53] <cindux> and to be sure... lol :(
[02:53] <SeanQ> ubuntu2u, NAMBLA at work
[02:53] <cindux> mkdir = of course, make dir
[02:53] <trashmatic> yup
[02:54] <cindux> so many new acronyms & short forms i must learn
[02:54] <ubuntu2u> hey cindux?
[02:54] <cindux> yes?
[02:54] <inc> sup peeps
[02:54] <trashmatic> yeah, it takes everyone a little while, valuable skill though
[02:54] <cindux> hm
[02:54] <ubuntu2u> what is nambla cindux?
[02:55] <cindux> ?
[02:55] <trashmatic> ubuntu2u, stop trolling
[02:55] <cindux> ..
[02:55] <SeanQ> I said NAMBLA. :P
[02:55] <LinuxJones> change the topic guys
[02:55] <ubuntu2u> seanq said.... nambla at work ubuntu2u i was wondering what it was
[02:55] <cindux> :
[02:55] <s1amson> surfing pr0n in w3m just isnt the same
[02:55] <SeanQ> cindux, check synaptic for a program called 'wtf'
[02:55] <cindux> anyone interested in webspace = /
[02:55] <SeanQ> it's an ancronym finder
[02:55] <SeanQ> it depends, lemme see the AUP
[02:56] <cindux> interested... name
[02:56] <Civic> well bye guys
[02:56] <SeanQ> later
[02:56] <Civic> if i can't fix my modem problem i 'll be back again tomorrow
[02:57] <cindux> wee
[02:59] <cindux> hm
[02:59] <cindux> dirs created :P
[03:00] <cindux> in the "text editor" do I just save the html file as webpage.html etc
[03:00] <SeanQ> ew.
[03:00] <bascule> no point it to the directory /home/condux/web
[03:00] <bascule> or whatever you just made
[03:00] <cindux> I'm already in the DIR
[03:00] <inc> yooo.. bascule... see any 3d people today?
[03:00] <cindux> I just made an html file from scratch
[03:00] <bascule> inc: yes I did
[03:00] <cindux> its not an .html gile
[03:00] <mebaran151> hey
[03:00] <cindux> file*
[03:01] <inc> bascule: good deal
[03:01] <mebaran151> anyone know a good tutorial on ftp
[03:01] <trashmatic> okay, i want to tear out the ubuntu version of cups and replace it with the debian package... been a while since i used apt, so can anyone help me with that?
[03:01] <mebaran151> and how does vsftpd differentiate between local and remote users
[03:01] <inc> bascule: i reverted back to warty and back to playing cds lol better than before
[03:02] <bob2> trashmatic: why?
[03:03] <bascule> inc: good idea, it wasl ooking complicated to fix
[03:03] <cindux> how do i remove a file ?
[03:03] <fallker> hey all
[03:03] <cindux> rem ?
[03:03] <cindux> rm ?
[03:03] <bascule> rm -f file
[03:03] <trashmatic> bob2: ubuntu apparently patched it to completely remove the web interface, which i want to use because gnome-cups-manager sucks
[03:03] <fallker> rm
[03:03] <Seazzy> hey, I need direction
[03:03] <ryan_> whats the key combo to kill an app ?
[03:03] <cindux> ah
[03:04] <s1amson> www.mapquest.com
[03:04] <fallker> ryan_, what kind of app?
[03:04] <ryan_> xmms is hanging
[03:04] <inc> bascule: well maybe i have a better change now.. i think i'm at the point where i need to configure the mixer..i typed alsamixer and unmuted pcm
[03:04] <bascule> ryan_: alt f4 closes one, xkill gives a magic cursor pkill appname is another way, there are lots ..
[03:04] <s1amson> ryan_:  hanging when you load a directory?
[03:04] <Seazzy> I have just installed warty/X86, and my celeron box is freezing on me. Anyone know what's up?
[03:04] <inc> i already did the modprobe stuff and that went well
[03:04] <ryan_> no, it was playing. but now it just hanged after finishing a song
[03:05] <s1amson> perhaps it tried to play an invalid mp3?
[03:05] <mebaran151> just xkill it
[03:05] <mebaran151> the magic cursor will do fine
[03:05] <mebaran151> eventually Gnome will ask you if you want to kill it I think
[03:05] <ryan_> xkill-ed
[03:05] <mebaran151> cool
[03:06] <s1amson> xmms is virtually bug free, any error you get with it is normally via something you tried to feed it
[03:06] <ryan_> gonna add that kill button to the panel
[03:06] <Seazzy> Does anyone know what log I should be checking for specific error msgs regarding the unfortunate freezing of ubuntu?
[03:07] <SeanQ> No clue.
[03:07] <cindux> system logs :D
[03:07] <cindux> lol
[03:07] <cindux> i dont know anything dont listen to me
[03:07] <cindux> but /etc as far as i know has ubuntus system logs
[03:07] <bestadvocate> whens the stable release for hoary due?
[03:07] <bascule> /var/log/messages
[03:08] <bascule> but you rarely find much after a crash to be fair
[03:08] <zeratha> I am trying to get Ubuntu set up on a friend's computer and I keep having problems with sound. I've tried everything recommended in the forums and wiki, so I'm stumped.
[03:09] <Seazzy> hmmn, anyone here who has had a simmilar problem?
[03:09] <Seazzy> to the freezing, not the sound
[03:09] <scoon> zeratha, what kind of sound hw ?
[03:10] <Mr_Smiley> ubuntu hasn't detected my cdrom drive, there is no /dev/hdc.. any ideas?
[03:10] <zeratha> Audigy. All the right drivers seem loaded, and XMMS plays as though the sound card were fine with Alsa, OSS, and ESD, but no sound. Real Player says the sound device is in use and the gnome-volume applet say no device found.
[03:10] <membreya> hiyas
[03:10] <Mr_Smiley> hi
[03:10] <felix_1> LinuxJones: ok sorry for my late reply : you were telling that you only wianted to give me suggestions ... :-0 thanx for that ... I partially fixed my problem: module suphp was installed and seems to screwup php execution... but I get full load of php scrit errors related or not to configurations... anyway... sorry :-)
[03:11] <scoon> zerath, is there onboard sound chips ?
[03:11] <zeratha> Yes, disabled in the BIOS
[03:11] <membreya> got a problem trying to execute a configure script..getting the following two error messages
[03:11] <membreya> checking for working makeinfo... missing
[03:11] <membreya> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[03:11] <membreya> any ideas? :(
[03:12] <zeratha> Oh, and all cables are connected properly. Got sound when I installed, but since updating, its gone.
[03:12] <scoon> zeratha, updated to hoary ?
[03:14] <mebaran151> how can I tell what daemons are running at any one moment?
[03:14] <mebaran151> just daemons
[03:14] <membreya> ps --help
[03:14] <membreya> :| nvm ;)
[03:15] <zeratha> scoon, no, just standard updates. It's the weirdest thing. No problem on any other machine but this one.
[03:17] <scoon> zeratha, check alsamixer and make certain that 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' is NOT muted
[03:18] <zeratha> scoon, Thanks! That was it!
[03:18] <scoon> zeratha
[03:18] <fsc> hmm..gpd is fubar on warty. i really need to upgrade gnome/gkt+ and all development libraries without going all the way to hoary
[03:18] <scoon> zeratha, in order for that to not get muted again when you reboot or log out whatever
[03:18] <scoon> zeratha, do a
[03:19] <scoon> 'sudo alsactl store' in a term
[03:19] <fsc> lack of decent gtk/gnome pdf viewer is annoying
[03:19] <jdub> fsc: using hoary?
[03:19] <zeratha> scoon, thanks, I need to log out to see if the applet works. Thanks again.
[03:20] <scoon> np
[03:20] <membreya> so anyone know why I'm getting checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool ? when I'm trying to configure?
[03:20] <jdub> fsc: try gpdf, but then try evince :-)
[03:20] <jdub> membreya: look at intltool's depends
[03:20] <fsc> jdub, i want to upgrade to 2.9.3 of gpdf, but i'm on warty and i need all the 2.6 gtk stuff
[03:20] <jdub> fsc: upgrade to hoary :)
[03:20] <fsc> jdub, gpdf is not rendering properly
[03:21] <fsc> jdub, xpdf is well...lackluster at best
[03:21] <jdub> it's not that much better in later versions
[03:21] <jdub> evince is
[03:21] <fsc> jdub, envince i should try?
[03:21] <membreya> thanks for that jdub ... I did an apt-get -f install :)
[03:21] <fsc> never heard of envince
[03:22] <fsc> me looks
[03:22] <jdub> fsc: evince
[03:22] <jdub> it'll be in GNOME 2.12
[03:22] <fsc> jdub, : cool. evince looks nice. thanks for info man
[03:23] <fsc> jdub, and ps viewer integrated. me like
[03:23] <jdub> fsc: it's designed to be a 'document viewer', so integrates a few of the existing gnome apps nicely
[03:23] <fsc> jdub, is this your project? didn't you have something to do with gpdf?
[03:23] <jdub> no
[03:23] <jdub> to both
[03:23] <jdub> apart from being involved in gnome generally
[03:23] <fsc> ok, always see your name in gpdf changelog for some reason
[03:24] <fsc> well the gpdf site hasn't been updated in eons
[03:24] <jdub> i think martin thanked me once
[03:24] <fsc> but i definitely want to check out evince...on its web site now
[03:25] <fsc> jdub, i wonder what it'll take to get this thing running on warty.  i see packages for hoary.  i don't want to pooch-screw my system just for a pdf viewer
[03:27] <cindux> whats the absolute path to the desktop ?
[03:27] <fsc> i'll build it from source if it doesn't rely on gtk+ 2.6 and gnome 2.8
[03:27] <membreya> grrrr damn hoary live cd giving me false hope...it got my wireless nic working without a problem...
[03:27] <membreya> cindux: /usr/home/(username)/Desktop
[03:27] <membreya> -usr
[03:27] <membreya> so it's just /home/(username)/Desktop
[03:28] <cindux> hm icic
[03:28] <cindux> and just wonderin, I want to remove a DIR & all its contents?
[03:28] <cindux> can i just do rm /home/desktop/cindux/web
[03:28] <membreya> do an rm -f -R
[03:28] <membreya> make sure u do it as sudo
[03:29] <cindux> "rm -f -r /home/cindux/web ?
[03:29] <cindux> with sudo in front *
[03:29] <jdub> cindux: not if you own the files
[03:29] <u> Hello
[03:30] <u> can anyone help me a sec with a mount ntfs problem?
[03:31] <s1amson> i can try
[03:31] <s1amson> :]
[03:32] <u> ok slamson
[03:32] <cindux> hm seems like so much....
[03:32] <u> thank you
[03:32] <s1amson> dont thank me yet, i havent helped
[03:32] <u> lol
[03:32] <u> ok
[03:33] <cindux> "/home/cindux/desktop/files"
[03:33] <cindux> to much :(
[03:33] <u> i want to auto mount a ntfs drive
[03:33] <s1amson> ok...
[03:33] <s1amson> that it?
[03:33] <u> lol
[03:33] <u> yes
[03:33] <s1amson> look at (do a search for) fstab
[03:33] <u> i have a harder question coming up after this one
[03:34] <s1amson> and edit it
[03:34] <s1amson> :D
[03:34] <u> lol
[03:34] <u> "edit it" care to elaborate :p
[03:35] <cindux> this cant be it
[03:35] <s1amson> give it the same rights as any other partition, note: that if you see one with -rw - change it to -ro as you cant write to ntfs
[03:35] <s1amson> actually
[03:35] <s1amson> find fstab, and paste what it says @ pastebin.com
[03:36] <cindux> Surely theirs a dir i can use to store my files instead of /home/cindux/dirname
[03:36] <s1amson> no, theresnot much to elaborate on
[03:36] <cindux> where does everyone store their files
[03:36] <cindux> html files,movies music etc
[03:36] <u> im having trouble finding fstab
[03:36] <s1amson> but, considering its ntfs, it wouldnt hurt to have a look see at your current config
[03:36] <u> please note: im fresh from migration
[03:37] <s1amson> please note: i dont use ubuntu :P but its a linux thing not ubuntu
[03:37] <u> lol ok
[03:37] <s1amson> lemme find mine
[03:37] <u> cheerz
[03:38] <s1amson> its in etc
[03:38] <s1amson> /etc/fstab
[03:39] <u> yes i have it
[03:39] <s1amson> paste it @ pastebin.com
[03:39] <u> im jus gonna do a new login as root
[03:39] <s1amson> or... somkething
[03:39] <membreya> gah
[03:40] <s1amson> yea, you need to be root to edit it
[03:40] <membreya> what's the easiest way to find the file that a make install has created? :P
[03:40] <s1amson> pin <filename>
[03:40] <s1amson> well... easiest way for me anyway
[03:40] <membreya> erm that's the thing... I can't find the name that it gave it ..I think I can but searching the harddrive shows nothing
[03:40] <cindux> spit it out :P
[03:40] <s1amson> ::shrugs ::
[03:40] <cindux> you know you all want to
[03:41] <u> /dev/hdc1   /   ntfs    |then what?       1
[03:41] <u> slamson, i what user "glen" to be the owner
[03:41] <s1amson> how are we spossa help find a file that nobody knows the name of :P be smarter about it nxt time :D
[03:41] <membreya> ;)
[03:41] <membreya> bash: pin: command not found
[03:42] <tobbe> Can I install stuff with apt-get from debian repositories?
[03:44] <cindux> Where does everyone store their files? (text,audio,video etc)
[03:45] <s1amson> u: mounting yourself, id mount it to /mnt/hdc1 so, in '/mnt' make a folder called windows and give it your permissions (whatever they may be) then just run as root mount /mnt/hdc1 /mnt/windows since toy
[03:45] <s1amson> ack, i edited that line alot :\
[03:45] <s1amson> make a folder in mnt as root, and give glen permmissions - ie: make owner etc
[03:46] <s1amson> id call the folder windows
[03:46] <s1amson> :: shrugs ::
[03:46] <tobbe> cindux, I store my text/docs in /home/tobbe/documents and for audio/video I've go an external harddrive
[03:46] <s1amson> then
[03:46] <s1amson> mount /mnt/hdc1 /mnt/windows
[03:46] <s1amson> should work fine
[03:46] <cindux> hm i was afraid of this lol
[03:46] <cindux> i know it isnt a big deal but i like to keep things neat & brief
[03:46] <cindux> for example, on windows I would have C:\Cinder
[03:47] <cindux> jus dont like how I have to dig through so many dirs to my files
[03:47] <cindux> anyway thanks
[03:47] <s1amson> i dont have any ntfs partitions, but heres mine for fat32 (in fstab)
[03:47] <s1amson> /dev/hda1            /windows/C           vfat       users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[03:47] <u> slamson, ok cheerz mate ill try that
[03:47] <tobbe> And on linux you have /home/cinder/ It's only one level deeper
[03:47] <cindux> i know :(
[03:48] <s1amson> check mount --help for mount options
[03:48] <cindux> but i wanted the folder on my desktop
[03:48] <cindux> /home/cindux/desktop/documents/html
[03:48] <cindux> lol
[03:48] <s1amson> and put those in the last part of the fstab
[03:48] <u> ok
[03:49] <cindux> mkdir ~files /home/cindux
[03:49] <cindux> oops
[03:49] <inc> anyone know how to make sure alsa and esd are configured correctly?
[03:49] <tobbe> cindux, just put the stuff in /home/cindux/whatever and then put symlinks in the desktop folder
[03:51] <cindux> hm sounds better
[03:51] <cindux> when i use mkdir ~whatever, does it automatically assume im creating the dir in /home/cindux/
[03:51] <cindux> or must I specify it
[03:52] <s1amson> oh ship
[03:52] <s1amson> hey
[03:52] <s1amson> u
[03:52] <klimbz> I know you guys are probably sick pf hearing this, but can someone please help me out in getting the grub entry right for setting up windows ,(installed on c:, with ubuntu on secondary hardrive..
[03:53] <pepsi> where would i look to learn how to make mp3s work/
[03:53] <pepsi> oop
[03:53] <pepsi> found it
[03:53] <klimbz> my current entry is: title Windows
[03:53] <klimbz> map (hd0)(hd1)
[03:53] <klimbz> map (hd1)(hd0)
[03:53] <klimbz> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[03:53] <klimbz> chainloader +1
[03:53] <klimbz> makeactive
[03:54] <tobbe> cindux, I dunno, just try...
[03:54] <tobbe> won't break anything
[03:55] <tobbe> you won't be able to create it anywhere else if you're not root
[03:55] <klimbz> anyone?
[03:59] <klimbz> anyone with a link to where I can get a full menu.lst grub entry for dual booting windows
[03:59] <klimbz> ?
[04:00] <membreya> klimbz: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:01] <tobbe> This is what I've got for windows: title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[04:01] <tobbe> root            (hd0,1)
[04:01] <tobbe> savedefault
[04:01] <tobbe> makeactive
[04:01] <tobbe> chainloader     +1
[04:01] <tobbe> it's on /dev/hda2
[04:02] <klimbz> I've got my xp in c: would that be hda0 or 1?
[04:03] <membreya> it counts from 0 klimbz
[04:03] <membreya> so if C: is your first physical drive & partition then it's 0,0
[04:04] <klimbz> membreya: so what would my full entry in menu.lst be? sorry to ask these trivial questions but I'm completely new at this..
[04:04] <cindux> ugg i was away when people rplied
[04:04] <cindux> How can i remove a directory? & how can I create one in /home/cindux/dirname ?
[04:05] <tobbe> remove: rm
[04:06] <tobbe> create: mkdir
[04:06] <s1amson> rm -rf /pathto<directory to be removed> note, there will be no chance of recovery
[04:06] <membreya> root		(hd0,0)
[04:06] <membreya> savedefault
[04:06] <membreya> makeactive
[04:06] <membreya> chainloader	+1
[04:08] <cindux> er..
[04:08] <cindux> i tried before and made a mistake
[04:08] <cindux> and now i have -documents
[04:08] <cindux> or think ido ?
[04:08] <cindux> is that their by default in ubuntu
[04:08] <tobbe> so, rm -fdR /home/cindux/-documents/
[04:09] <cindux> tobbe, its still their
[04:10] <tobbe> my font is a bit messed up, try:
[04:10] <tobbe> so, rm -fdR /home/cindux/ documents/
[04:10] <tobbe> wait
[04:10] <cindux> ye?
[04:11] <tobbe> try, rm -fdR /home/cindux/~documents/
[04:12] <cindux> that did it :P
[04:12] <cindux> woo thanks again lol
[04:12] <tobbe> np
[04:12] <cindux> i just found it odd that when i screwed up the command the first time
[04:12] <cindux> it said no dir exist
[04:12] <cindux> but created -documents anyway
[04:14] <tobbe> it didn't create -documents, it created ~documents (or you have done earlier)
[04:16] <ramp> help
[04:16] <davix> howdy
[04:21] <ultrahex> projected keyboards are strange to write on
[04:23] <ubuntu2u> hey guys when i download a file and try to run it from "home" it says can't run application. can anyone help me out here?
[04:23] <mpq> what are you trying to run?
[04:25] <ubuntu2u> just every file that i have downloaded off the internet
[04:25] <ubuntu2u> like merc
[04:25] <ubuntu2u> or ad-aware install
[04:25] <mpq> you mean a bunch of windows programs?
[04:25] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  those are windows programs aren't they
[04:26] <tezza> ubuntu2u, do some research on wine
[04:27] <moyogo> ad-aware? i don't think you'd need that on ubuntu
[04:27] <mpq> I was wondering that too
[04:27] <mpq> I don't think any malicious programs would work outside of windows
[04:27] <mpq> because they're all windows programs
[04:27] <moyogo> one day, it might be a threat tho'
[04:28] <mpq> maybe, but not now
[04:28] <moyogo> in a far far away galaxy
[04:28] <mpq> not while 99% of people use windows
[04:28] <cindux> im in love with ubuntu
[04:29] <mpq> anyone else here running folding@home?
[04:29] <SeanQ> not 99%
[04:29] <SeanQ> 95%
[04:29] <SeanQ> 3% apple
[04:29] <SeanQ> 2% linux
[04:29] <mpq> really? that much?
[04:30] <giard> does anyone know if Hoary will have a selection of backgrounds?
[04:30] <mpq> I didn't think mac was quite that popular
[04:30] <Pinguvin> when will hoary be released?
[04:30] <moyogo> giard: there's a monthly background
[04:30] <daniels> Pinguvin: april
[04:30] <Pinguvin> k
[04:30] <membreya> can someone help me with doing a make on a program with my a64?
[04:31] <giard> moyogo: ummm, something without naked people?
[04:31] <moyogo> giard: hmmm good point
[04:31] <Pinguvin> whats wrong with naked people? :P
[04:31] <membreya> giard: what's the point of that?
[04:31] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, yes those are windows programs that i am trying to run
[04:31] <LinuxJones> membreya, you probably need to install build-essential
[04:31] <daniels> SeanQ: according to hp, linux is now more popular than mac
[04:31] <mpq> you need wine to run windows programs in linux
[04:31] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  yeah
[04:31] <moyogo> giard: just right-click on pictures in firefox and set as background
[04:31] <daniels> on the desktop
[04:32] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, can't they still be used?
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  you don't need ad-aware or whatever it is
[04:32] <giard> moyogo: I kinda wish there was a selection of good quality wallpapers, just like XP and OS X come with
[04:32] <SeanQ> ooh nice
[04:32] <SeanQ> same with samsung
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  as for merc I don't know what that is
[04:32] <membreya> linuxboy: already go it installed :\
[04:32] <membreya> I'm getting relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[04:32] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, anything i download does not work, games,everything. it says the file path is wrong
[04:32] <SeanQ> lemme restart x
[04:33] <mpq> are you trying to run .exe files?
[04:33] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, wht games do you want to play ?
[04:33] <moyogo> giard: i find the monthly wallpapers to be of pretty good quality, unfortunately some find the nude art offensive
[04:34] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, you can't run any windows applications on Linux easily
[04:34] <gaatmx> Sorry if this is a FAQ but: Is there a way to add an application to the Menu?
[04:34] <Pinguvin> right click and add locator or something like that
[04:34] <mpq> yes, that's why you get the equivalent programs for most apps
[04:35] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, i don't think it is the files... i think there is something else messed up
[04:35] <bc> right click in Firefox doesn't give me any options for wallpaper in ubuntu
[04:35] <ubuntu2u> i'll tell you the errormessage
[04:35] <membreya> I'm trying to add an applet..and slowly going crazy
[04:35] <mpq> anyone know of a program that would cycle through wallpapers?
[04:35] <bc> actually I can't understand why it's so hard to set background pictures.
[04:35] <Pinguvin> its not hard..?
[04:36] <moyogo> bc: it does in hoary
[04:36] <bc> should be able to right click on any image, but no, have to use the "change desktop background" thing and do a lot of browsing
[04:36] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, the title of the window is "can't display location" and then then it says couldn't display home/liam/****(**** is the file name) then under that it says "there was an error launching the application"
[04:36] <GammaRay> one thing I never did in IE was set the background
[04:36] <ubuntu2u> if anyone else know the problem please help
 you got a point there
[04:37] <GammaRay> bc: you can drage it to the dialog AFAIK
[04:37] <mpq> I mean like automatically change the wallpaper every day or something
[04:37] <moyogo> gaatmx: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OldFrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-17eca0f11b06e5e4489700e0d0ce4e3f5a07090e-2
[04:37] <gaatmx> thnx moyogo
[04:37] <bc> yes, but there's seems to be a very short limit to the number of images allowed in there
[04:37] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me?
[04:37] <ubuntu2u> plz
[04:38] <bc> drag something in, something else leaves
[04:38] <Pinguvin> ubuntu2u: whats the files extension
[04:38] <bc> wish the image viewer had a "set as background" option at least
[04:38] <moyogo> ubuntu2u: what exactly are you trying to run?
[04:39] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, programs that run on Microsoft products (like Windows 95, 98 2000, XP) will not run in Linux.
[04:39] <moyogo> bc: some image viewers do
[04:39] <moyogo> bc: gthumb does for example
[04:39] <membreya> anyone know an EASY way (short of programming) to get an applet into the gnome panel???
[04:39] <bc> yes, I imagine I just have to stop being lazy and check the repositories.
[04:39] <bc> but I'm surprised gnome doesn't just build this in
[04:40] <bc> thanksd moyogo!
[04:42] <membreya> noone here plays around with applets? :(
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> moyogo, i am trying to run anything... is there a linux website that i can go to download linux stuff to try it?
[04:42] <bc> weird, Synaptic tells me I have gtthumb installed, but I don't know where the heck it is
[04:42] <moyogo> membreya: do you mean progamming applets?
[04:42] <lunitik> membreya: not entirely sure what you mean? right click "add to panel"?
[04:43] <Pinguvin> bc: run application > gthumb
[04:43] <mpq> ubuntu2u: try downloading firefox 1.0
[04:43] <bc> really noob here, is gtthumb simply what's showing me the (really  great) thumbnails in Nautilus?
[04:43] <mpq> and make sure to get the linux version
[04:44] <mpq> it should be a .tar.gz file
[04:44] <poisomike87> hello
[04:44] <membreya> lunitik: that only allows you to create a launcher.. I have an embedded program to control the stepping on my athlon 64 however there's no .server file to embed it in the panel
[04:44] <moyogo> bc: you need to refresh the panel, i haven't figured out how to do that cleanly, sometimes it does it by itself
[04:44] <poisomike87> I have a problem
[04:45] <lunitik> membreya: then my guess is the person that wrote it will have to make it a functional applet  :/
[04:45] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, tell us what kind of programs you want to run we can tell you what "Linux Versions" or Windows programs to install if they exist :)
[04:45] <mpq> poisomike87: just ask it
[04:45] <lunitik> poisomike87: you going to share, or are we to guess?
[04:45] <membreya> thanks anyway lunitik...will email the guy
[04:46] <moyogo> lunitik: what's the name of the program?
[04:46] <lunitik> moyogo: huh?
[04:46] <poisomike87> When I installed ubunto when it finished i cannot boot it or windows
[04:46] <moyogo> lunitik: sorry i meant membreya
[04:46] <bc> thanks Pinguvin!  and of course, now that you guys mention it, I finally notice it in the apps menu...
[04:46] <Pinguvin> :)
[04:47] <fsc> hmm. has anybody just upgraded gnome from the hoary repository?
[04:47] <lunitik> fsc: what issue are you seeing?
[04:48] <Pinguvin> i just installed ubuntu but i cant get any sound. how can this be fixed?
[04:48] <fsc> lunitik, i haven't tried it, but these programs i want to compile, specifically evince needs gtk+2.6 and other more recent gnome libraries
[04:49] <fsc> lunitik, i'd rather just update gnome,gtk+ all its dependencies then a mass upgrade to Hoary, especially xorg
[04:49] <lunitik> fsc: I am using it... no obvious issues...
[04:49] <fsc> lunitik, hoary?  what did you do, just change the repository name, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:49] <lunitik> fsc: why not xorg?
[04:50] <fsc> lunitik, what about ATI drivers on xorg?
[04:50] <lunitik> fsc: yup... a few times... most recently just grabbed a daily snapshot...
[04:50] <fsc> a few times what?
[04:50] <lunitik> fsc: hmm... I thought daniels had released ATI drivers for xorg?
[04:51] <fsc> lunitik, i have no idea who daniels is
[04:51] <lunitik> fsc: a few times did a manual upgrade to hoary.
[04:51] <fsc> lunitik, oh, on various boxes then?
[04:51] <poisomike87> I cannot boot ubunto or windows grub just gives me an error 18 message
[04:51] <lunitik> fsc: daniels = Daniel Stone of freedesktop and main Ubuntu X maintainer...
[04:51] <fsc> lunitik, uhmm. so it was just that easy for you?  what about the kernel, does hoary want to change the kernel?
[04:52] <fsc> lunitik, so change the repository, dist-upgrade, reboot, and everything was hunky-dory?
[04:52] <sasquatc4> i hate you s1amson
[04:52] <lunitik> fsc: depends if you have 'linux-386' etc installed... 2.6.10 is in hoary though...
[04:52] <sasquatc4> anyone got experience in here with an audigyLS card?
[04:52] <lunitik> fsc: should be, yes.
[04:52] <s1amson> but i love your mother
[04:52] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, i thought linux was so compatible with windows programs you could run practiacally anything on here...?
[04:53] <fsc> lunitik, hmm. i'm scared...Warty is so perfect right now except for pdf viewer crap
[04:53] <lunitik> ubuntu2u: you can run some Windows apps with 'wine' ...
[04:53] <fsc> lunitik, so what's special about Hoary?
[04:53] <vj> hi guys, someone to help me put links to applications
[04:54] <lunitik> fsc: that issue will remain (crappy xpdf instead of evince/gpdf) ... but you really won't see any issues.
[04:54] <lunitik> fsc: very little... hence very few problems  :)
[04:54] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, no, to run Microsoft programs you need software and permission from Microsoft which they won't give to the Open Source Community
[04:54] <poisomike87> Anyone know how to fix the grub boot loader to boot all I get is an error 18 message
[04:54] <fsc> lunitik, with an upgrade to Hoary Gnome I would have the libs to build or even dpkg -i evince
[04:54] <lunitik> LinuxJones: you technically don't need Microsoft permission...
[04:54] <LinuxJones> lunitik, yeah wanna bet
[04:55] <vj> help pls
[04:55] <vj> anyone somewhere
[04:55] <lunitik> fsc: probably yes...
[04:55] <sasquatc4> anyone gotten a kworld tv tuner to work nicely in ubuntu? all i get with all the tv apps out there is the last channel i was watching on another OS
[04:55] <LinuxJones> lunitik, MS read an eula some time
[04:55] <Dull404> Helloo, does anyone know of any other repos for ubuntu except for the pre-defined... ftp's or similar ??
[04:55] <lunitik> LinuxJones: I have Internet Explorer here for testing purposes... call Microsoft and see if they care...
[04:55] <moyogo> vj: what's the problem you have?
[04:55] <fsc> lunitik, bahh. screw it. i have nothing better to do
[04:55] <Pinguvin> vj: you want to add shortcuts to the menu?
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, THOSE BASTARDS!
[04:55] <vj> hi moyogo
[04:55] <fsc> lunitik, except screw up my perfectly working ubuntu box
[04:55] <vj> yes
[04:56] <lunitik> fsc: nothing will get screwed up.
[04:56] <LinuxJones> lunitik, tell them you are running Office 2000 on 10 machines using wine and see what they say.
[04:56] <vj> i loaded some application from synaptics but they don't so up in the program menus
[04:56] <fsc> lunitik, ok, where are the repositories at?
[04:56] <Dull404> Anyone?
[04:56] <ubuntu2u> so linux isn't good for playing games or anything like that?
[04:56] <Pinguvin> vj: they might if you log out and back in
[04:56] <lunitik> LinuxJones: actually... I did that for 30... they helped, but ended up stating "well, the issue isn't with our applications, sorry"...
[04:56] <vj> i did
[04:56] <Pinguvin> oh
[04:56] <Gul3> hello, probably just another newbie question from me, but how do i execute "format c:" in linux?
[04:57] <fsc> hehe
[04:57] <inc> so anyone good at configuring alsa/
[04:57] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, it depends on the company that makes the games.
[04:57] <vj> they show up in the filesystem and i can run them from there, but can't see any icon in the apllication drop down list
[04:57] <moyogo> vj: what application was it?
[04:57] <Pinguvin> vj: if you right click inside the menu, do you get add launcher?
[04:57] <Dull404> Gul3: use fdisk... if there is fdisk.. dont know just installed myself ;)
[04:57] <vj> there are many
[04:57] <LinuxJones> lunitik, that's not true
[04:57] <lunitik> LinuxJones: you purchase a license to run the software... you don't break the eula by not running it on Microsoft software.
[04:57] <Gul3> Dull404: that will not format the partition
[04:58] <moyogo> lunitik: most of the times those games are built on top of Microsoft libraries
[04:58] <moyogo> lunitik: and those aren't free
[04:58] <vj> grisp an accounting package, atank game, Sykpe, qtparted, firestarter.
[04:58] <Dull404> Gul3: delete the partition, and create it again ;)
[04:58] <lunitik> LinuxJones: You think Codeweavers would base a business model on having people break the law?
[04:58] <Pinguvin> vj: right click inside a menu > entire menu > create launcher
[04:58] <Krypt0n> Who uses X-Chat and has a good script to show what MP3 is playing?
[04:58] <Pinguvin> or add a launcher..
[04:58] <Pinguvin> add new item to this menu actually :)
[04:59] <LinuxJones> lunitik, " Visual FoxPro for Linux: A Violation of the EULA?" >> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/113955/65/
[04:59] <lunitik> Pinguvin: that won't work in the future  :(
[04:59] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, do you think diablo 2 which is a blizzard game will run on linux?
[04:59] <Pinguvin> lunitik: why? im a noob myself btw.. :)
[04:59] <vj> ok now i am in launcher
[04:59] <Dull404> Where can i find other repos? ftps https etc etc ??
[04:59] <vj> how do i do it
[05:00] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, I don't know but the Quake and Unreal Tournament series of games seem to work well
[05:00] <Pinguvin> lunitik says it wont work in the future..
[05:00] <regeya_> seriously?  one won't be able to add launchers to gnome menus?
[05:00] <regeya_> dang.  and just when I thought it was safe to use gnome.
[05:00] <moyogo> Pinguvin: adding a program to the Application menu doesn't work right now in hoary
[05:01] <regeya_> oh, just a hoary issue?
[05:01] <lunitik> Pinguvin: that mechanism changed in hoary... right now, there is no menu editing tool at all in hoary.
[05:01] <cindux> :P
[05:01] <moyogo> regeya_: you'll always be able to add to the panel
[05:01] <Pinguvin> that bites :P
[05:01] <Pinguvin> vj: did you figure it out?
[05:01] <cindux> Anyone know the default DIR for ubuntu backgrounds?
[05:01] <lunitik> moyogo: via the text files... sure.
[05:01] <moyogo> it's still feasable throught applications;//
[05:01] <regeya_> moyogo: not good enough, but thanks for reminding me of that
[05:01] <cindux> "/usr/share/backgrounds?" ?
[05:01] <lunitik> moyogo: no... applications:/// doesn't exist
[05:02] <moyogo> lunitik: ahhhhh!
[05:02] <sasquatc4> anyone gotten a kworld tv tuner to work with tvtime, or any other tv tuner app?
[05:02] <moyogo> ah yeah the whole new gnome-menus thing
[05:02] <vj> well i did, i am on the create launcer have typed the name Grisbi added an icon but what should i type in the command ?
[05:02] <lunitik> worst thing about hoary at the moment.
[05:02] <fsc> lunitik, ok. i changed the repository to hoary.  here goes nothing.  i'll be hunting down lunitik (can I trust that nick:)? if something goes wrong:)
[05:02] <LinuxJones> lunitik, what did you think of that link I posted ?
[05:02] <Pinguvin> vj: try grisbi..
[05:03] <lunitik> LinuxJones: I had a different response... but ok  :/
[05:03] <vj> ok wait
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, do you work for ubuntu or w/e or are u some random gu helping people?
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> guy*
[05:04] <lunitik> ubuntu2u: the latter.
[05:04] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, no, I jsut like to help out :)
[05:05] <ubuntu2u> cool\
[05:05] <linux_galore> hmm (tm)
[05:05] <ubuntu2u> are you guys private messaging me or is x-chat just making it yellow because my name is in it?
[05:05] <poisomike87> I installed ubunto on a dual boot with windows now i can no longer boot windows or ubunto
[05:05] <linux_galore> think LinuxJones is trying to get karma points
[05:05] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, your name is in it :D
[05:05] <linux_galore> :-)
[05:05] <lunitik> ubuntu2u: your name is in the message...
[05:05] <fsc> 485 meg for the upgrade to hoary for me.  nice speeds though.  300 kB/s
[05:06] <LinuxJones> linux_galore, browny-points  +1 :D
[05:06] <Pinguvin> i got a major audio problem. cant get any sound.. help please
[05:06] <Dull404> poisomike87: grub right?
[05:06] <poisomike87> yes
[05:07] <bc> anyone elso have problems with audigy nx usb2 sound hardware?  both ubuntu and mepis seem to identify the thing right,
[05:07] <Pinguvin> "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices fond"
[05:07] <Dull404> poisomike87: im new to ubuntu myself. but for other distros u can edit it manually, try search the web for a grub howto for ubuntu
[05:07] <fsc> please tell me that wxWidgets got upgraded in Hoary to use gtk2+ finally
[05:07] <bc> but both produce horrible distorted sound
[05:08] <bc> could the problem be the usb2?
[05:09] <bc> oh, and the mixer thinks the audigy is outputting to headphones... weird
[05:09] <lunitik> fsc: 'libwxgtk2.5.3' depends gtk-2.0... so looks like it...
[05:09] <moyogo> poisomike87: does this relate to your problem : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes ?
[05:09] <linux_galore> bc: yeah thats because USB headsets in call centers are common
[05:09] <fsc> lunitik, good deal.
[05:09] <vj> well i cannot load the application from grisbi
[05:10] <Dull404> or try this http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:11] <Pinguvin> anyone? :(
[05:11] <bc> do I need some special soundblaster driver or something?
[05:11] <membreya> grrrrrrrrrrrrrr,,,why can't I find the ndiswrapper?
[05:11] <linux_galore> bc: could be I went to the creative website and downloaded the latest driver
[05:12] <membreya> nevermind ;) ndiswrapper.sf.net
[05:12] <vj> moyogo ? pingiun ?
[05:12] <bc> hmm, I'll look again.  I didn't think creative "supported" linux
[05:12] <Pinguvin> vj: i dont know.. im a noob myself :(
[05:12] <linux_galore> bc: they do and have for a while now
[05:12] <bc> thanks
[05:12] <inc> anybody good with alsa? or sound?
[05:13] <Pinguvin> i dont have sound at all.. :(
[05:13] <bc> I just wish that when I get the right mixer, I could get decent sound
[05:13] <Dull404> Bc: got alsa tools?
[05:13] <bc> when I get good sound, I get a senseless mixer
[05:13] <vj> ok i got it
[05:13] <Pinguvin> great :)
[05:13] <moyogo> vj: what was the problem?
[05:14] <bc> hmmm, an alsa mixer shows up along the other one, but don't know about the tools...
[05:14] <vj> any command has to follow with ( application ) %f
[05:14] <linux_galore> I usually just grab a SB Live OEM card cost me AU$20 works perfect with any distro of Linux
[05:14] <vj> and it works
[05:14] <vj> now the only problem is where to get the icons from for that appplication
[05:14] <s1amson> anyone got experience in here with an audigyLS card?
[05:15] <bc> that's the painful irony, i recently took out my SB live card, to use the usb2 thing
[05:15] <bc> guess I'll put it back in
[05:15] <linux_galore> bc: the other card works better lol
[05:15] <membreya> has anyone here used ndiswrapper on ubuntu?
[05:15] <s1amson> bc
[05:15] <Pinguvin> how do i install alsamixer? when i try to open it it says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device
[05:15] <vj> where are the applications that are loaded store their icons in
[05:15] <s1amson> you know anything about audigy LS card?
[05:15] <linux_galore> bc: I get perfect 5.1 suround from my SBLive card
[05:16] <s1amson> sry
[05:16] <sasquatc4> sinner
[05:16] <s1amson> just like mom! :D
[05:16] <Dull404> Pinguvin: use Synaptic Package Manager. and also do "whereis alsa" in a terminal
[05:16] <linux_galore> Pinguvin: alsa mixer wont work if sound isnt up and running
[05:16] <s1amson> dont make me use bold!
[05:16] <Pinguvin> okey.. how do i get it up and running then :\
[05:17] <linux_galore> Pinguvin: alsamixer isnt a sound setup tool it just adjusts the volume settings
[05:17] <Pinguvin> i see
[05:17] <s1amson> anyone got experience in here with an audigy LS card?
[05:17] <bc> I've never been able to get a sound card working in any computer ever without a lot of grief
[05:17] <bc> sound cards are evil and hate me.
[05:17] <inc> nope
[05:17] <inc> bc: you are correct sir
[05:17] <linux_galore> bc: just worked here didnt do a thing
[05:17] <Pinguvin> audio worked in suse, mandrake and vida.. but not here
[05:18] <Pinguvin> i dont know what to do
[05:18] <bc> are alsa tools the same as alsa-utils (which I seem to have installed)
[05:18] <s1amson> alsa yhassnt helped my issue
[05:18] <Dull404> bc i think so
[05:18] <s1amson> i got everyting working but the linein
[05:19] <Pinguvin> what is alsa yhassnt?
[05:19] <linux_galore> many people have the cards setup wrong I find ie they have auto IRQ set on the jumpers on the card and that can create a IRQ conflict with Linux/Windows
[05:19] <s1amson> its the one for the leet users that pwn a decoder ring
[05:19] <s1amson> thx for asking
[05:19] <bc> to be fair, On my laptop, the sound is great.  Don't even know what card it is.
[05:19] <tritium> Pinguvin, what kind of machine do you have?
[05:20] <Pinguvin> tritium: packard bell g1320
[05:20] <tritium> a lot of people that don't get sound have Parallel Port interrup collisions
[05:20] <linux_galore> Im finding all the new intel sound chipsets work fine lately
[05:20] <inc> yeah well how about crystal audio?
[05:21] <Pinguvin> tritium: my parallel ports are not used
[05:21] <bc> this is my untested, incompetent theory about usb2 audio in linux:  somehow data's going through as if it were usb1
[05:21] <tritium> Pinguvin, okay.  You disabled them?
[05:21] <bc> and thus distorting
[05:21] <Pinguvin> no.. i mean.. i never use them :p
[05:21] <linux_galore> bc: Im finding USB audio in Linux is one of those things that needs work
[05:21] <tritium> Pinguvin, yes, but is the "lp" module loaded?
[05:22] <Pinguvin> tritium: i have no idea..?
[05:22] <tritium> Pinguvin, "lsmod | grep lp"
[05:22] <bc> linux_galore, that's a relief to hear.  ok, no more farting around, back in goes the Live value card
[05:23] <Pinguvin> tritium: the parport says: 2 parport_pc, lp
[05:23] <tritium> Pinguvin, yes, then your parallel port IS being used.
[05:23] <tweek888> anyone know how to get flash working =\
[05:23] <Pinguvin> tritium: any idea how i turn it off?
[05:23] <tritium> Pinguvin, you can often disable in BIOS
[05:24] <linux_galore> bc: I use USB audio only for VoIP and in that case sound quality doesnt matter much its mono with a 200-1200hz range
[05:24] <tritium> Pinguvin, or, you can boot with kernel option "acpi_irq_isa=7"
[05:24] <thundrcleeze> tweek888, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:24] <thundrcleeze> that and other facts are available at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:24] <Pinguvin> tritium: ok.. i'll try the boot option then
[05:24] <tweek888> thanks
[05:25] <thundrcleeze> np
[05:25] <tritium> Pinguvin, okay, that doesn't disable the parallel port, but it might solve your sound problem.  No guarantees, though.
[05:25] <linux_galore> Ive got shockwave and quicktime working with mozilla/firefox
[05:26] <Pinguvin> tritiun: booting up now :)
[05:26] <ubuntu2u> tritium! your back old chap
[05:26] <tritium> ubuntu2u, hey there
[05:26] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I'm putting ubuntu on my other machine today.
[05:26] <tritium> I killed Sid!
[05:27] <tritium> Sid won't be bothering my toys anymore.
[05:27] <linux_galore> bc: whats the USB sound device in question
[05:27] <Pinguvin> tritium: i still cant turn the volume on
[05:28] <bc> SB Audigy nx external usb2
[05:28] <linux_galore> Ive got Ubunti on my Apple sMac_top
[05:28] <tritium> Pinguvin, oh.  Are your sound modules loaded?
[05:28] <Pinguvin> tritium: whats the command?
[05:29] <linux_galore> tritium: he cant get the aslamixer tool going that tells me he hasnt even got sound up and going
[05:29] <tritium> Pinguvin, "lsmod | grep snd"
[05:29] <tritium> linux_galore, I see...
[05:29] <tritium> I just got in here a while ago
[05:29] <Pinguvin> snd_atiixp and snd_pcm_oss is set to 0
[05:30] <tritium> Pinguvin, what kind of sound card?
[05:30] <bc> I can't find alsa-utils, though I've got it installed.  doesn't run from Run Application dialog
[05:30] <tritium> bc "dpkg -L alsa-utils" to find out what files are in the package
[05:30] <Pinguvin> tritium: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[05:31] <bc> thanks tritium
[05:31] <tritium> sure
[05:31] <tritium> Pinguvin, is that from lspci
[05:31] <tritium> ?
[05:31] <Pinguvin> yes
[05:31] <tritium> ok
[05:31] <linux_galore> bc: little silver box with two round adjusters on the top that one
[05:32] <crimsun> bc: usb[12]  make no difference to alsa.
[05:32] <Pinguvin> cat /proc/asound/card gives me: -- no soundcards --
[05:32] <bc> that's it
[05:32] <mpq> well, I'm an idiot
[05:33] <membreya> erm... I just overwrote my /etc/modules file
[05:33] <membreya> should I just lsmod it and copy and paste all running modules into it?
[05:33] <mpq> I was trying to figure out why my computer was running so slow
[05:33] <mpq> ...it was because I was running the folding program
[05:33] <bc> linux_galore: with both ubuntu and mepis, it sounds like worse than 8-bit audio
[05:33] <crimsun> Pinguvin: snd-atiixp? That's an easy problem, more lengthy (but easy) to fix.
[05:33] <crimsun> Pinguvin: you need a newer version of alsa-driver. 2 secs.
[05:33] <Dull404> what is qt called for ubuntu?
[05:34] <Pinguvin> crimsun: k :)
[05:34] <linux_galore> bc: hmm not much data on it when related it to Linux
[05:34] <tritium> nice
[05:34] <crimsun> Dull404: libqt3c102{-mt}
[05:34] <tritium> Pinguvin, you're in wicked-good hands with crimsun.  I'll let him take over here...
[05:34] <Pinguvin> hehe okey thanx man
[05:35] <Dull404> crimsun: for develop... libqt3-dev ?
[05:35] <membreya> anyone? :(
[05:35] <tritium> membreya, that would be excessive
[05:35] <bc> um, something weird just happened on my laptop; hit some wrong keys while typing here in X-chat...
[05:35] <crimsun> Dull404: libqt3-{headers,mt-dev}
[05:35] <membreya> what do you suggest I do then since I overwrote it? :(
[05:35] <bc> and I got an error message saying something about "suspend" not being available
[05:36] <Dull404> crimsun thanks
[05:36] <CubicllyContaine> hello all
[05:36] <bc> Which makes me wonder, how DO i suspend, hibernate, etc a laptop?  I can't find anything in help on this
[05:36] <crimsun> Pinguvin: first thing: sudo aptitude install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:37] <CubicllyContaine> I have an odd Gnome related problem if there are any takers...
[05:37] <Pinguvin> crimsun: will try
[05:37] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: wget http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/12/11/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb && sudo dpkg -i alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb
[05:37] <moyogo> CubicllyContaine: we're here for that
[05:37] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: sudo adduser $(echo $USER) src
[05:38] <CubicllyContaine> With nothing but the defult desktop running, something is accessing my HDD... seems to only be present in Gnome.
[05:38] <CubicllyContaine> It's not much... 20k or so but every 4 seconds.
[05:39] <CubicllyContaine> Can't figure out what in the heck it's writing.
[05:39] <Pinguvin> crimson: thank you... i'll keep you updated :)
[05:39] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: on a separate console (ctrl+alt+F2) - or log out and back in - cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[05:39] <CubicllyContaine> I have noted this in a few distros using Gnome... but only on my system.
[05:39] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source   (make sure you select atiixp, not the modem one)
[05:39] <CubicllyContaine> lsof is to large and hard to understand for me to pinpoint it...
[05:40] <CubicllyContaine> but it is a bit annoying... considering it writes 20k or so every 4 sec on the dot.
[05:40] <membreya> any why isn't ndiswrapper available on synaptic???
[05:40] <CubicllyContaine> Anyone else note this kind of activity?
[05:41] <Dull404> membreya added all repos?
[05:41] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: cd modules/alsa-driver && fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[05:41] <membreya> many as I can get off of ubuntuguide.org
[05:41] <Dull404> membreya, ok then i dont know ;)
[05:41] <membreya> is it available on your synaptic?
[05:41] <Golfer> good evening everyone
[05:42] <CubicllyContaine> BTW, this is my first few hours using ubuntu... and I LOVE it. :)
[05:42] <Dull404> membreya: cant search at the mo' installing...w8 a sec
[05:42] <ubuntu2u> tritium, do you know how to port surf?
[05:42] <CubicllyContaine> besides this odd HDD writes that is.
[05:42] <ubuntu2u> obviously eh
[05:43] <Dull404> membreya: found ndiswrapper-utils 0.10
[05:43] <Golfer> membreya its availabe on mine
[05:43] <CubicllyContaine> anyone? ? ?
[05:43] <Golfer> CubicllyContaine not sure
[05:43] <membreya> gah..can't find it :|
[05:44] <membreya> plus I have the added problem of I've overwritten /etc/modules :|
[05:44] <Dull404> membreya: activate all, serach/name "ndis"
[05:44] <tritium> ubuntu2u, surf?  What's that?
[05:44] <Golfer> Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module  is this what your looking for??
[05:44] <membreya> Golfer: got the source but that wants me to compile a new kernel...
[05:44] <ubuntu2u> tritium really lol
[05:44] <Golfer> ah ok sorry
[05:44] <tritium> membreya, I would just put a few modules in your /etc/modules that you might need.
[05:45] <ubuntu2u> tritium i dunno
[05:45] <tritium> ubuntu2u, serious.  What is it?
[05:45] <ubuntu2u> tritium, it was a stupid question
[05:45] <tritium> oh, okay
[05:45] <ubuntu2u> tritium, i mean port surf... like go from computer to computer trying to access things through different ports
[05:45] <tritium> membreya, perhaps ide-disk, psmouse if you have PS2 mouse, mousedev
[05:46] <membreya> *cries* stupid stupid me
[05:46] <membreya> would demsg have modules that are loaded?
[05:46] <tritium> ubuntu2u, oh...no, not really
[05:46] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I'll be back in a few...
[05:46] <ubuntu2u> tritium, oh... you don't really know much about hacking or everything?
[05:46] <ubuntu2u> tritium, ok
[05:47] <Dull404> will debian software run on ubuntu? ... no?
[05:47] <daniels> ubuntu2u: no, and you won't find help for that sort of thing in this channel
[05:47] <CubicllyContaine> Well I'll repost my question in a bit... for now, it's more digging around in the system.
[05:47] <daniels> Dull404: sort of, but all the debian packages that build at all have been recompiled and are in the ubuntu repository anyway
[05:48] <Dull404> daniels: sort of.. hm.. ok. because then i could add repos to ftp servers holding debian software - wich are maaaany :P
[05:48] <oficina> I have trouble with "make" How do you troubleshoot that? http://www.pastebin.com/241256
[05:48] <Pinguvin> crimsun: Build alsa drivers with ISA PnP support? yes/no?
[05:48] <daniels> Dull404: as i said, everything in debian that builds has been recompiled for ubuntu
[05:48] <crimsun> Pinguvin: no
[05:48] <crimsun> Pinguvin: but you definitely want oss emulation.
[05:48] <Pinguvin> ok
[05:49] <Dull404> oficina: got automake/autoconf ? good to have.....
[05:49] <oficina> no, I don't or I don't know
[05:49] <Pinguvin> crimsun: what about build alsa drivers with debugging code?
[05:49] <Dull404> daniels: so native debian wont work/stable?
[05:49] <crimsun> Pinguvin: yes.
[05:49] <daniels> Dull404: it's not recommended
[05:50] <Dull404> daniels: ok thanks
[05:50] <Pinguvin> crimsun: what drivers am i supposed to select?
[05:50] <Pinguvin> crimsun: atiixp?
[05:50] <crimsun> Pinguvin: atiixp (not atiixp modem)
[05:51] <Pinguvin> crimsun: select it with enter or..?
[05:51] <crimsun> Pinguvin: yes.
[05:52] <Pinguvin> k
[05:52] <cblack> hrm. okay, what's the trick to being able to edit the menus in gnome out of hoary? the option doesn't seem to be available with a right click like i'm used to.
[05:52] <moyogo> oficina: you need moc
[05:52] <moyogo> oficina: you can find moc in the qt3-dev-tools package
[05:53] <oficina> moyogo: thanks, I downloaded moc, but now I get the following message http://www.pastebin.com/241257
[05:54] <linux_galore> bc: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=2375
[05:54] <Pinguvin> crimsun: i cant cd /modules/alsa-driver
[05:55] <crimsun> Pinguvin: notice that I did not type a leading '/'
[05:55] <Pinguvin> crimsun: oh! but now i get fakeroot: command not found
[05:55] <Xenguy> Hi - a friend is having trouble copying and pasting from OOo to an aterm terminal window -- does anyone else have any problem pasting from OO ?
[05:55] <oficina> moyogo: any clues?
[05:55] <ubuntu2u> tritium, i am going to sleep
[05:55] <moyogo> oficina: that's not the moc you need, there's a dev-tools and an audio player, you have the audio player
[05:55] <ubuntu2u> tritium later man
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> Ok, here's another one....
[05:56] <crimsun> Pinguvin: sudo aptitude install fakeroot
[05:56] <oficina> Xenguy: try middle clicking for pastin
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> I can't seem to mount my USB flash stick...
[05:56] <moyogo> oficina: install the qt3-dev-tools package
[05:56] <linux_galore> bc: there is also a irc channel on this server called #creative
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> it works on most other distros...
[05:56] <moyogo> oficina: remove the moc you have first of course
[05:56] <Xenguy> oficina: yes, that is standard, but it doesn't work for him for some reason
[05:56] <oficina> oh
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> I get an "wrong fstype" error...
[05:56] <linux_galore> bc: and its an official channel according to creative http://opensource.creative.com/
[05:56] <crimsun> bc: what are you trying to get working?
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> but I've defined the fs correctly.
[05:57] <NuuB> crimsun: thank you for your help last week (online now with the modem)
[05:57] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I'm back.  Oh, and good night.
[05:57] <Pinguvin> crimsun: now i get. cd: modules/alsa-driver: no such file or directory
[05:57] <CubicllyMinded> Is there a problem with usb_storage and/or via chipsets in this release (4.10) with the latest k7 kernel?
[05:57] <oficina> moyogo: I will try that right now
[05:58] <crimsun> Pinguvin: pwd
[05:58] <Dull404> I installed k3b... how can i get it on the program list?
[05:58] <crimsun> NuuB: excellent! :)
[05:59] <Pinguvin> crimsun: pwd gives me /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver
[05:59] <crimsun> Pinguvin: so you're in the correct directory. Time to run that long fakeroot command again.
[06:00] <Pinguvin> crimsun without the cd thing then?
[06:00] <CubicllyMinded> so yah, as I said... anyone having trouble with their usb storage media (external HDDs or flash sticks)???
[06:00] <slave> hello all !
[06:00] <linux_galore> no USB is fine here
[06:00] <oficina> moyogo: apparently the qt3 thing is installed.
[06:00] <slave> I NEED HELP TO INSTALL TCSH, PLEASE HELP ?
[06:01] <moyogo> oficina: what does 'moc -v' print at the command line?
[06:01] <oficina> moyogo: "moc: invalid option -- v
[06:01] <oficina> moc 1.1.0
[06:01] <oficina> "
[06:01] <CubicllyMinded> linux_galore, cool... just getting a feel for bugs.
[06:01] <NuuB> crimsun: all i needed to do was remove the gateway address which ubuntu set by default during the install (your suggestion that it was in network settings pointed me in the right direction and it wasn't too long before i figred out that it was the gateway address)
[06:01] <linux_galore> CubicllyMinded: usb sound needs work though
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> to upgrade to hoary, must i do a upgrade, or a dist-upgrade
[06:02] <crimsun> Pinguvin: correct
[06:02] <Jimbob> slave: no need to yell, just run "apt-get install tcsh"
[06:02] <moyogo> oficina: moc 1.1.0 is the audio player, the one you need is Qt Meta Object Compiler
[06:02] <Jimbob> (as root, I should say)
[06:02] <slave> thanks jimbob, i will try
[06:02] <moyogo> oficina: what does 'dpkg-query -s qt3-dev-tools' print?
[06:02] <Pinguvin> cd modules/alsa-driver && fakeroot
[06:02] <Pinguvin> debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[06:02] <oficina> moyogo: well, how do I get it? apparently qt3 dev libs are already installed
[06:02] <Pinguvin> oops
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> to upgrade to hoary, must i do a upgrade, or a dist-upgrade
[06:03] <crimsun> dist-upgrade
[06:03] <Pinguvin> crimsun: looking good so far
[06:03] <moyogo> oficina: it's qt3-dev-tools, it's extra tool on top of the libs
[06:03] <CubicllyMinded> linux_galore, well my usb flash drive works wonders in other distros... but gives a buffer i/o problem with this current setup. Odd.
[06:03] <moyogo> oficina: use 'sudo apt-get install qt3-dev-tools'
[06:04] <Aeon_> anyone know how to check what version of ubuntu was installed?
[06:04] <oficina> moyogo: well if tools<>libs, then I don't have it then, I will get it.
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thanks
[06:04] <linux_galore> CubicllyMinded: I havent tried one of those larger flash drives on my machine yet
[06:04] <crimsun> Aeon_: /etc/issue has it. Barring that, check the version of libc6 installed.
[06:05] <crimsun> Aeon_: (e.g., dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}' )
[06:05] <linux_galore> lol
[06:05] <SBSP> i'm brand new to linux and just installed ubuntu.. simple question... how do i connect to the internet?
[06:05] <cindux> SBSP
[06:05] <cindux> your internet may have already been connected for you
[06:05] <slave> jimbob, got errror message: "E: Couldn't find package tcsh"
[06:05] <cindux> try opening firefox
[06:05] <Aeon_> crimsun: thanks
[06:06] <SBSP> i did open firefox.. it was not connected
[06:06] <cindux> ok
[06:06] <Pinguvin> crimsun: is there anything else i need to do when the fakeroot thing is done?
[06:06] <cindux> what type of connection do you have ?
[06:06] <crimsun> Pinguvin: yes, cd ..
[06:06] <SBSP> dialup.. on a winmodem
[06:06] <Jimbob> slave: What version of ubuntu are you running?
[06:07] <crimsun> Pinguvin: then install the .deb that you created
[06:07] <Aeon_> crimsun: it returned: 2.3.2.dsl-13ub
[06:07] <Pinguvin> crimsun: how? :\
[06:07] <cindux> ok
[06:07] <SBSP> device manager seems to ecognize the modem
[06:08] <crimsun> Aeon_: so you have Warty
[06:08] <linux_galore> www.linmodems.org
[06:08] <cindux> go to Computer > System Config >
[06:08] <SBSP> ok
[06:08] <cindux> then networking
[06:08] <sasquatc4> anyone know where to find the CARDLIST in kernel documentation, im following the troubleshooting for tvtime and i dunno where to look for my tv tuner card listing
[06:08] <SBSP> ok
[06:08] <tritium> Pinguvin, dpkg -i, followed by the name of the package
[06:08] <cindux> enter your password if it asks you to etc
[06:08] <SBSP> ok
[06:09] <cindux> ok now under the COnnections tab
[06:09] <cindux> click Add +
[06:09] <Pinguvin> tritium: i dont know the name of it
[06:09] <cindux> + Add *
[06:09] <SBSP> i alreadt set that up
[06:09] <slave> jimbob,i Download Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog"
[06:09] <SBSP> username and password
[06:09] <tritium> Pinguvin, it ends in .deb
[06:09] <cindux> When is 5. coming out ?
[06:09] <tritium> Pinguvin, it may be in a higher directory.  If you don't see it, cd .. and look again
[06:10] <cindux> SBSP which ste are you on ?
[06:10] <cindux> step*
[06:10] <slackd00d> does ubuntu have kde? or just gnome
[06:10] <SBSP> ste?
[06:10] <cindux> gnome by default
[06:10] <cindux> step*
[06:10] <SBSP> connection is set up..
[06:10] <slackd00d> so if i download the warty-release-install-i386.iso  it will have kde
[06:10] <SBSP> won't dial
[06:11] <tritium> slackd00d, no, not on the CD.  You'll have to install it later if you want it.
[06:11] <slackd00d> ok thank you
[06:11] <linux_galore> slackd00d: its on the servers
[06:11] <Pinguvin> tritium: theres a alsa-modules package in the modules folder.. that one?
[06:11] <CubicllyMinded> need to log out and in... one sec
[06:11] <tritium> Pinguvin, yes, that's what you were building, right?
[06:11] <slackd00d> just curious..im downloading it now to see what all the fuss is about   =)
[06:11] <Pinguvin> tritium: i dont remember :)
[06:12] <tritium> Pinguvin, you know about tab-completion?  If the filename is really long, start typing the first few letters, and hit Tab.
[06:12] <cindux> SBSP make sure you've entered all the information correctly
[06:12] <cindux> one wrong number or a space will ruin it all
[06:12] <Pinguvin> tritium: thanx!!! :D
[06:12] <SBSP> i am sure.. this is the 3rd time i've tried it
[06:12] <tritium> Pinguvin, that way you don't have to type in the whole file name :)
[06:13] <Jimbob> slave: Ok, do you have the "universe" and "multiverse" sources in your repositories list?
[06:13] <tritium> Pinguvin, did it install?
[06:13] <cindux> hm...
[06:13] <SBSP> does ubuntu come with mvdial?
[06:13] <cindux> :(
[06:13] <slave> jimbob, i will check
[06:13] <Pinguvin> tritium: yep its done
[06:13] <cindux> not sure
[06:14] <SBSP> i suspect it doesn't have the drivers for my winmodem.. it has a conexant chipset
[06:14] <Pinguvin> crimsun: is that it?
[06:14] <Jimbob> slave: There should be a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that looks like this --> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse" <-- at least the "universe multiverse" stuff at the end.
[06:14] <crimsun> Pinguvin: after you've installed the deb, the easiest way is to reboot
[06:15] <slave> jimbob, thanks ! i will check on it
[06:15] <Pinguvin> crimsun: will do
[06:15] <cindux> hm..
[06:15] <cindux> The stupid tube screensaver
[06:15] <cindux> freezes my pc
[06:15] <cindux> every single time
[06:15] <sasquatc4> i installed the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel documentation, but i cannot find it anywhere, where does apt actually install it to
[06:15] <linux_galore> SBSP: aah yes conextant only offer free driver version thats crippled or an un crippled comercial driver
[06:15] <linux_galore> the un-crippled on is $$$
[06:16] <linux_galore> one*
[06:16] <ells> does anyone know of a good way to copy a dvd in linux
[06:16] <cindux> ells
[06:16] <SBSP> i see... so they sell the drivers? that doesn't sound very ethical
[06:16] <cindux> rub the dvd on a blank cd
[06:16] <ells> cindux, yes
[06:16] <cindux> until they tranfude
[06:16] <ells> riiiiigggghhhhhtttt
[06:16] <cindux> lol im just really tired
[06:16] <linux_galore> SBSP: well creative dont want to support Linux..they are a bit like asus with there heads up there proverbial
[06:17] <Pinguvin> crimsum: I LOVE YOU!
[06:17] <ells> Is there a good program or way out there to copy dvds
[06:17] <SBSP> but you said they make drivers..
[06:17] <crimsun> Pinguvin: enjoy your music. :)
[06:17] <Pinguvin> im so happy right now :D
[06:17] <Pinguvin> thank you so much
[06:17] <crimsun> np
[06:17] <Pinguvin> tritium too
[06:17] <Pinguvin> :)
[06:18] <tritium> Pinguvin, :)
[06:18] <Pinguvin> woohoo
[06:19] <cindux> dumb question from newb ubuntu :P
[06:19] <cindux> Besides Themes
[06:19] <Pinguvin> i need to save this convo so i know what to do the next time.. but how ?
[06:19] <linux_galore> SBSP: always just grab the driver off cough peer to peer cough
[06:19] <Dull404> what is a good cd/dvd writing tools for ubuntu? and movie/mp3 player ? totem player crashes when i try to play.....
[06:19] <cindux> I just want to change the color when you select something or hover ?
[06:19] <cindux> in ubuntus case the light brown
[06:19] <sasquatc4> i installed the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel documentation, but i cannot find it anywhere, where does apt actually install it to
[06:19] <SBSP> ah yes  i see a company, linuxant makes drivers for the conexant chipset, a crippled free version or a full version for 15 bucks
[06:19] <Dull404> cindux: theme?
[06:19] <cindux> ?
[06:19] <cindux> I meant besides themes?
[06:20] <cindux> is their anyway I can just edit that ?
[06:20] <cindux> I don't even know how to create my own
[06:20] <Dull404> cindux: yes, look at themes, and you can select whatever u want to change.. list.. etc
[06:20] <SBSP> the modem isn't even worth 15 bucks.. are there any modems you'd recommend for linux use?
[06:20] <moyogo> oficina: does it work now?
[06:20] <slackd00d> damn the u.s. mirrors are fast...im steadaly downloading at 377KB/s
[06:21] <Jimbob> sasquatc4: If you use synaptic, there's a tab in the package description called "installed files". You can also run "dpkg -L package-name" from a terminal
[06:21] <linux_galore> SBSP: any externals work fine
[06:21] <Dull404> cindux: theme details
[06:21] <cindux> ah
[06:21] <cindux> see i saw that & thought it was just detailed info about who made them etc
[06:21] <SBSP> serial or usb?
[06:21] <cindux> thanks man
[06:21] <oficina> moyogo: I'm still on it. I'm on dialup, and I'm a bit clumsy, so I take a little longer than others. Thanks for keeping up with me though
[06:21] <linux_galore> SBSP: serial
[06:21] <sasquatc4> Jimbob, thanks
[06:21] <linux_galore> SBSP: get a second hand serial v92 for about $10
[06:21] <Dull404> cindux: np. standard gnome thing ;)
[06:22] <SBSP> ebay?
[06:22] <cindux> ncix.com :D
[06:22] <cindux> SB you in Canada?
[06:22] <linux_galore> SBSP: yeah ebay or ask a buddy or ask on your local LUG list
[06:22] <linux_galore> SBSP: if you lived local you could have my old dial up modem for $10
[06:22] <membreya> well .. I can't be bothered recreating my /etc/modules file since I overwrote it...quick question, when I download modules and updates...are the files stored locally?
[06:23] <slave> jimbob, only "restrict" inside sources.list, this file is read only
[06:23] <SBSP> so.. ther's no such thing as a serial winmodem?
[06:24] <linux_galore> SBSP: yeah some USB modems are but I hvant heard of a "serial" winmodem
[06:25] <SBSP> one more thing... i can't read my windows partition fronm ubuntu
[06:25] <linux_galore> SBSP: is it ntfs
[06:25] <SBSP> fat16
[06:25] <regeya> well, the winmodems don't contain a working UART IIRC; the serial port runs off a uart, so you're cool there
[06:25] <linux_galore> SBSP: should be able to read it fine
[06:26] <SBSP> ok reg  thanks
[06:26] <regeya> http://jamesthornton.com/freebsd/articles/serial-uart/
[06:26] <Dull404> i cant install mplayer with synaptic.. is there another good movie player (for xvid,ac3,mp3) ? xine?
[06:26] <SBSP> when i open /mnt.. it is empty
[06:26] <cindux> crap lol
[06:26] <slave> jimbo, how do i edit this file ? read only !
[06:26] <cindux> what are the default icons in ubuntu ?
[06:26] <regeya> it may say 'freebsd' in the url, but it's a decent enough link
[06:26] <cindux> Crux right ?
[06:26] <SBSP> do i need to mount the win partition or something?
[06:27] <farruinn> Dull404: I like xine
[06:27] <tezza> crimsun, you around mate?
[06:27] <membreya> anyone know where the files are downloaded to when I do an apt-get? or do they get deleted?
[06:27] <crimsun> tezza: aye
[06:27] <Dull404> cindux: the one on top.... i think
[06:27] <linux_galore> SBSP: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && mount  -t  vfat/dev/hda1  /mnt/windows
[06:27] <farruinn> membreya: /var/cache/apt or something like that
[06:28] <Dull404> farruinn: great. im getting it
[06:28] <membreya> champ :)
[06:28] <linux_galore> SBSP: minor typo sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && mount  -t  vfat  /dev/hda1  /mnt/windows
[06:28] <dud> use dpkg -L <package> to see where the installed files goes
[06:28] <SBSP> ahh  ok ty LG
[06:28] <regeya> I stand corrected; not all winmodems lack a uart.
[06:28] <farruinn> membreya: they're only deleted if you do an apt-get clean
[06:28] <regeya> (though that's weird)
[06:28] <HappyFool> i thought it was something to do with the filtering / DSP stuff too
[06:29] <regeya> aye
[06:29] <linux_galore> SBSP: did you look under /media
[06:29] <membreya> cool..going to burn then delete
[06:29] <SBSP> mine has a dsp controller
[06:29] <cindux> just in case i screw something up
[06:29] <regeya> if I ever see a serial-based winmodem, I will smash it with a large rock
[06:29] <membreya> if I want to restore the files once I've reinstalled do I just add the cdrom as a rep in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:29] <SBSP> i'll try that too lg
[06:29] <cindux> when in desktop preference > fonts
[06:29] <cindux> is their a way to simply revert them all
[06:29] <SBSP> thanks so much for your help
[06:29] <linux_galore> <-- hasnt dual booted windows in 3 years so is rusty lol
[06:30] <sasquatc4> is there anyway to force an rmmod command? im tryin tto get my tuner working and it wont let me remove the one currently in use to try a new one
[06:31] <linux_galore> though though Ubuntu created a mount point for windows (fat##) automatically
[06:31] <linux_galore> thought*
[06:31] <sasquatc4> nm its just -f, wierd though that my modprobe arguments seem to not even have an effect
[06:31] <linux_galore> one happy customer just left
[06:32] <membreya> farruinn: when I reinstall ubuntu, do I just add the cd with the archives to my /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[06:33] <farruinn> membreya: do you mean a cd that you burned?
[06:33] <membreya> farruinn: yup...just burning the archives now
[06:34] <farruinn> because you would've needed to have included a couple of important files to use the cd as an apt repository
[06:34] <membreya> oh? like what?
[06:34] <farruinn> as it is now, you'll just have to dpkg -i *.deb
[06:34] <membreya> damn new operating systems :|
[06:34] <farruinn> there is an apt repository howto on debian's website, I don' thave the specific link
[06:35] <membreya> onto it now farruinn, thankyou so much for this :)
[06:35] <Jimbob> slave: You can edit it via the "sudo" command (e.g "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list")
[06:35] <Jimbob> slave: If your user has the ability to edit that file, it'll prompt you for your username.
[06:41] <moyogo> oficina: that newdocms thing looks interesting. what do you need it for?
[06:41] <Harold> I'm on hoary right now and to make mounted volumes in /media appear using nautilus as a desktop I have to restart hal each session, did nautilus do that automatically in warty or am I missing something somewhere? :)
[06:42] <oficina> moyogo: ok, I guess I managed to install the tools now. I check by doing "echo $QTDIR" and I get the response "/usr/lib/qt3/". Apparently there is a "moc" file at "/usr/lib/qt3/bin". HOWEVER, I *still* get the moc error! http://www.pastebin.com/241267
[06:42] <oficina> moyogo: It is the closest thing to a usable Document Management System implement the Liquid FileSystem theory I have ever como close to in months and months of research.
[06:43] <oficina> moyogo: and it's abandoned!
[06:43] <oficina> moyogo: I have been at least 8 hours trying to install this and satisfying dependencies.
[06:44] <moyogo> oficina: it sounds a bit like storage http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/index.html
[06:44] <slave> jimbob, i got it to edit, i can install anything, except csh and tcsh
[06:45] <oficina> moyogo: You might get mad at me by what I'm about to say. To be honest, I'm currently trying to do this installation in Mandrake 10.1, not Ubuntu.    I have Ubuntu installed too, but I've heard it's a big hassle to get KDE working. Not to mention this thing. However, I have gotten used to finding very knowledgeable and helpful people at this channel, so I apologize if I'm abusing of your help
[06:45] <pepsi> anybody get java working?
[06:45] <pepsi> inside of firefox
[06:45] <pepsi> it works, but applets cant get keypresses
[06:45] <oficina> moyogo: It is a cousin of storage. Except it integrates directly into every single app open/save dialog box, making it very useful to implement it with computerphobe users.
[06:46] <oficina> moyogo: storage is more like a natural search engine/winfs/spotlight field, but it does not let you manage the files per se.
[06:47] <oficina> moyogo: ...at least, as far as I know
[06:47] <oficina> moyogo: I'm pulling my hair already! I tell you, I've been at least 10 hours tyring to get this to install.
[06:47] <moyogo> oficina: true... i hope we go in that direction
[06:47] <moyogo> oficina: it seems rather annoying, eh
[06:48] <oficina> moyogo: what is annoying?
[06:48] <moyogo> oficina: mmm, maybe add the /usr/lib/qt3/bin to your $PATH
[06:49] <membreya> one final question before I format...why does the install CD detect and attempt to use my wireless card but once ubuntu is installed it isnt able to load it ?
[06:49] <oficina> moyogo: as long as you keep pumping up suggestiions I can manage to keep hope. Thanks. Sounds dumb, but... how do I do that?
[06:50] <oficina> moyogo: ...meaning, how do I add the path
[06:50] <oficina> moyogo: ok, I think I found a way
[06:51] <NuuB> i thought i installed apache2 but i tried both "apachectl status" and "httpd -V" at the command line (as sudo) and it returned "command not found" both times - where am i going wrong?
[06:51] <oficina> PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
[06:51] <oficina> export PATH correct me if I'm wrong
[06:51] <moyogo> oficina: correct
[06:51] <moyogo> oficina: or 'set PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
[06:52] <moyogo> oficina: actually, i'm wrong, your way works better
[06:53] <moyogo> oficina: it's rather strange that mandrake doesn't have moc in its path
[06:53] <oficina> moyogo: Hallelujah! It seems it's moving forward again! brb, I'll keep you posted
[06:54] <hybrid> hello
[06:54] <slave> jimbob, i took out all #s, now working ok
[06:55] <oficina> moyogo: ok, make is chuggin away. I wonder if all that output to the screen is good or bad.
[06:55] <oficina> moyogo: damn. probably bad. It spit out a lot of stuff at the end again. brb
[06:55] <hybrid> i am having a problem with gnome when i log into gnome normal it only opens the terminal thats it but when i go into gnome failsafe wvwrything but the application button works
[06:55] <hybrid> any help?
[06:56] <hybrid> *8everything
[06:56] <hybrid> grr <---- needs sleep if you cant tell by my typing
[06:57] <oficina> moyogo: Here's the new output. Apparently this time it has advanced a bit more, but still chokes in the end http://www.pastebin.com/241269
[06:59] <oficina> moyogo: Might be that frustration is blurring my eyes, but I can't seem to easily spot the troublemaker this time? Or does this mean it was able to finish the make?
[07:00] <stuNNed> whoa, the new update system rocks compared to fugly synaptic, what's it written in?
[07:00] <moyogo> oficina: it seems make finished clean
[07:00] <mpq> is it weird that I just use the terminal to update?
[07:00] <moyogo> oficina: i mean well
[07:00] <oficina> moyogo: really??!!?? woohooo!
[07:01] <oficina> next step then
[07:01] <farruinn> mpq: honestly, I usually only open synaptic when someone asks for help on it
[07:01] <Jimbob> slave: groovy
[07:01] <oficina> moyogo: I guess I shouldn't fret over those yes for Ada/C/ObjC but not C++ messages
[07:01] <mpq> I've never even opened synaptic...
[07:01] <oficina> moyogo: brb
[07:02] <moyogo> i find synaptic useful for browsing
[07:02] <moyogo> see what's new
[07:06] <oficina> moyogo: ok, please corroborate with me that the make install has no major issues either http://www.pastebin.com/241275
[07:07] <sasquatc4> how do you really force rmmod to stop a module from running, im working with my tvtuner and even after i do an rmmod -f, i still get a picture in tvtime, which shouldnt happen if its actually removed
[07:08] <cindux> hm
[07:08] <tweek_> i have another stpid question o.0
[07:09] <cindux> Anyone knoe if theirs a command or something that basically removes all history?
[07:09] <tweek_> stupid*
[07:09] <tweek_> how do i get root on my ubuntu?
[07:09] <farruinn> tweek_: use sudo, and read the RootSudo wiki page
[07:09] <Amaranth> tweek_: use sudo
[07:09] <tweek_> thanks :)
[07:09] <oficina> moyogo: Ok, part 2 out of 3 has been completed (about 12 thorny hours later, but hey, at least there's movement forward)
[07:10] <cindux> tweek_ also if you want to have an entire session as root
[07:10] <cindux> instead of typing sudo each command
[07:10] <cindux> sudo su
[07:10] <tweek_> can i set myself to root by default?
[07:10] <xskoulax> is hoary going to use x-org?
[07:10] <Amaranth> it already does
[07:10] <tweek_> so whenever i log in im root
[07:10] <farruinn> tweek_: that is a very bad idea
[07:10] <tweek_> howso?
[07:10] <xskoulax> Amaranth, was that directed at me?
[07:11] <Amaranth> tweek_: Any bug in any application can wipe our your entire harddrive if you're running as root.
[07:11] <farruinn> there is the root terminal option in Computer>system> or somesuch, but generally being root all the time isn't good
[07:11] <Amaranth> xskoulax: Yeah.
[07:11] <xskoulax> thx Amaranth
[07:11] <cindux> he lies
[07:11] <tweek_> ok
[07:11] <cindux> log in as root amsp
[07:11] <cindux> lol
[07:11] <tweek_> il jsut do sudo su
[07:11] <moyogo> oficina: yeah the make install seems fine too
[07:12] <Amaranth> tweek_: Most of the Windows worms and trogans and such wouldn't work as well or at all if people didn't run as Administrator there. Same thing applies for Linux systems.
[07:12] <Amaranth> tweek_: sudo -s -H
[07:12] <cindux> neato
[07:12] <tweek_> ok ive gained root and im still getting the same error =\
[07:13] <Amaranth> tweek_: That gives you are root terminal and sets your $HOME variable to the correct value.
[07:13] <Amaranth> What error?
[07:13] <Amaranth> s/are/a/
[07:13] <tweek_> im trying to put plugins in mozilla
[07:13] <GammaRay> what good is root if you lose your user?
[07:13] <tweek_> and it says permission denied
[07:13] <moyogo> oficina: what's the third part?
[07:13] <Amaranth> tweek_: Not possible if you're running as root...
[07:14] <tweek_> well would root only apply to the terminal?
[07:15] <GammaRay> sudo -s starts a single shell as root
[07:15] <Amaranth> nope, any program run from a root terminal would be running as root too
[07:15] <oficina> moyogo: Part 1 was installing sqlite. Done. Part 2 was installing the libnewdocms libraries I just finished installing. Now I'm going to Part 3, which is installing the actual GUI file dialogs. From these instructions, how thorny do you think it will be? Following is the README file for the next step http://www.pastebin.com/241278
[07:15] <GammaRay> it does not effect anything else
[07:16] <tweek_> well im not runnig a program im just trying to copy&paste into /usr/lib/xmms
[07:16] <tweek_> and mozilla
[07:16] <sig_ubuntu> GammaRay: are you ok?
[07:16] <Amaranth> tweek_: copy&paste?
[07:16] <Amaranth> tweek_: You need to use the terminal.
[07:16] <tweek_> =\
[07:16] <tweek_> i have a feeling,this will take a while
[07:16] <Amaranth> tweek_: sudo cp whatever.ext /usr/lib/xmms
[07:17] <tweek_> is there a hotkey to start terminal?
[07:17] <sig_ubuntu> tweek_: are you using gnome or kde?
[07:17] <tweek_> gnome
[07:18] <oficina> moyogo: Before I go on, I want your expert opinion. The Readme file suggests downloading the source code for the KDE libraries the author used *at the time* of creating the software. Should I use current source code, or should I hunt the old version?
[07:18] <sig_ubuntu> yes there is
[07:18] <tweek_> ok
[07:18] <sig_ubuntu> desktop preferences > keyboard
[07:18] <dud> do Desktop -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:18] <sig_ubuntu> you know it wouldn't hurt you to try and figure this non ubuntu stuff out.
[07:18] <tweek_> well i hit my head pretty hard today =\
[07:18] <oficina> moyogo: his link to the KDE code of years ago, is, unsurprisingly, 404
[07:18] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: him?
[07:19] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: hmmm? rather
[07:19] <moyogo> oficina: hmmm, this looks like it's gonna be tricky
[07:19] <oficina> moyogo: I'll start diggin the path (I'm currently at http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/pub/kde/unstable/latest/src/ )
[07:19] <oficina> moyogo: yeah, I noticed *eeek*
[07:20] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: "am I ok?" whats
[07:20] <moyogo> oficina: it might be easier porting newdocms to the new kde
[07:20] <oficina> moyogo: But I've worked so hard to get this far, I wanna give it a try
[07:20] <NuuB> i installed apache2 and stuff the docs say to look for are not there - can someone please help?
[07:20] <moyogo> oficina: then find the source for the kde of the time
[07:20] <GammaRay> constant typos don't make one look any saner
[07:21] <moyogo> oficina: but you can try with the current one first
[07:21] <oficina> moyogo: c'mon. Look at me. If I have had this much trouble just following instructions, what do you think are the odd *I'm* gonna be able to port the thing?
[07:21] <tweek_> to copy multiple items in the same place to the same folder is cp blah.so,blah2.so?
[07:21] <moyogo> oficina: time will tell ;)
[07:21] <tezza> has anyone been able to get their laptop to suspend/hibernate ?
[07:21] <farruinn> tweek_: no, maybe cp *.so [destination dir]
[07:21] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: just trying to be prophetic
[07:21] <oficina> moyogo: thanks for the pat on the back. You don't know how much I appreciate encouragement at this moment
[07:21] <moyogo> oficina: it wouldn't be that hard, all you need to do is figure out what changed in kde's code to do the port
[07:21] <tweek_> ok
[07:22] <moyogo> oficina: actually this should work with any kde 3.x
[07:23] <oficina> moyogo: To be honest, I really don't know how I could find that out. What I do know though, is that the KDE project source code is many times larger than the Linux kernel itself. That's enough to put me off
[07:23] <moyogo> oficina: so no porting required anytime soon
[07:23] <oficina> moyogo: whew! thanks!!!!!
[07:24] <oficina> moyogo: Ok, his link isn't working, so I'm gonna go digging for an alternate path, to see if I can find something that sounds like it.
[07:24] <oficina> moyogo: I will keep the chat window on top in case you say something. brb
[07:25] <tweek_> farruinn that worked but it says the folder isnt there =\
[07:25] <tweek_> is terminal case sensitive?
[07:25] <farruinn> yes
[07:25] <tweek_> ah
[07:25] <moyogo> you can always find kdelibs' source at http://www.kde.org/download/
[07:25] <farruinn> tab completion is your friend
[07:25] <moyogo> oficina: you can always find kdelibs' source at http://www.kde.org/download/
[07:26] <oficina> moyogo: thanks. that seems to work better than http://download.kde.org
[07:27] <oficina> moyogo: nevermind last sentence
[07:27] <calamari> hi
[07:28] <GammaRay> My school server kicks me off after a few hours of inactivity. Any tips for stopping this? It's HP-UX and I'm logging in w/ ssh.
[07:29] <Xenguy> GammaRay: you could set up a recurring ping - that's one idea
[07:29] <mebaran151> ok
[07:29] <mebaran151> I reinstalled Hoary to clean some info off my hdd
[07:29] <mebaran151> clean format
[07:29] <mebaran151> now Evolution works
[07:30] <mebaran151> but ALSA doesnt
[07:30] <mebaran151> anybody have any ideas?
[07:30] <mebaran151> how to make sound come out