[00:13] <knome> i don't know :D
[00:16] <knome> hmm, brb
[00:17] <knome> ah, good, lightdm lang preference is saved per-user
[00:21] <pleia2> I do love our slideshow :)
[00:21] <knome> well that's good to know :)
[00:22] <knome> btw, do you know anything about lightdm?
[00:22] <pleia2> nope
[00:22] <knome> mmh.
[00:23] <knome> i was wondering if it's possible to set a "preferred" user that's always set
[00:23] <knome> rather than selecting the last logged in user
[00:23] <pleia2> that would be nice
[00:25] <knome> enable autologin and set timeout to infinity? :P
[00:25] <knome> but that's still bad. i want passwords.
[00:26] <pleia2> lol
[00:27] <knome> brb
[00:29]  * pleia2 ponders squid proxy w/ support for .debs so at least she'd only need to download the 32 and 64-bit packages once
[00:32]  * knome doesn't think greeter-hide-users is good either :(
[00:32] <knome> pleia2, heh
[00:33] <knome> btw, did you read between the lines before?
[00:33] <pleia2> there, Install (entire disk) done for all 4 of them
[00:33] <knome> after 8 years of knowing each other, i've finally converted wife to linux
[00:33] <pleia2> er, I don't think so
[00:33] <pleia2> oh!
[00:33] <pleia2> :D
[00:34] <knome> yeah!
[00:37] <pleia2> ok, so I'll update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing (and http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing/) this week
[00:37] <knome> great :)
[00:37] <pleia2> from there I'll do the blog post, which will point to them
[00:37] <knome> yeah
[00:37] <knome> ping me when you're about to
[00:37] <knome> and i can help you with that
[00:37] <pleia2> will do
[00:37] <knome> thanks :)
[00:39] <pleia2> ok, if I'm going to be doing multiple install tests I'm definitely going to set up that proxy
[00:40] <pleia2> testing is hard on my internets :)
[00:40] <knome> heh, yeah
[00:40]  * knome was doing a few parallel tests too
[06:23] <jarnos> Can you upgrade to 12.04 devel from 11.10?
[06:24] <micahg> sure, update-manager -d (but only do this if you're willing to be a beta tester)
[06:32] <jarnos> micahg, I guess I had better since 12.04 is going to be LTS and I have big performance problems with 11.10.
[06:32] <jarnos> concerning X, I suppose.
[07:23] <jarnos> micahg, even update-manager -d does not give me option to upgrade.
[07:24]  * micahg isn't sure what to say about that
[11:58] <nimrod10> hi all , how do I change the notification settings to use notify-osd instead of xfce4-notifyd ? I have them both installed on a xubuntu 11.10 system
[11:59] <knome> nimrod10, #xubuntu for support
[12:00] <nimrod10> knome, I gave it a shot here as well , in #xubuntu people that responded didn't know how to do it
[12:01] <knome> it's pretty much the same people here
[12:01] <nimrod10> :) ok
[12:06] <astraljava> micahg: do-release-upgrade -d ?
[12:06] <nimrod10> astraljava, what will that help with ? going to the devel release ?
[12:07] <astraljava> nimrod10: Yes.
[12:07] <knome> that conversation didn't make any sense.
[12:08] <nimrod10> knome, : ) , astraljava, how will it help me going to the devel release  ?
[12:08] <astraljava> knome: Question — Answer. Nevermind that the question emerged from a suggestion to another problem.
[12:08] <astraljava> See, sense; made.
[12:08] <nimrod10> ah ok
[12:08] <knome> astraljava, "what will that help with?" "yes"
[12:08] <knome> nimrod10, have you tried just uninstalling xfce4-notifyd?
[12:08] <astraljava> knome: [14:06] < nimrod10 > astraljava, what will that help with ? going to the devel release ?
[12:09] <knome> :P
[12:09] <astraljava> knome: Again, I must urge you to pay attention.
[12:09] <knome> astraljava, you too.
[12:09] <knome> :)'
[12:09] <nimrod10> guys nevermind , if it can't be done , it can't be done yet
[12:10]  * astraljava disregards such foolish and lame attempts at being humorous.
[12:10] <astraljava> *grin*
[12:10] <knome> astraljava, bleh.
[12:11] <astraljava> knome: Second round of interviews tomorrow.
[12:11] <knome> astraljava, great! in hki?
[12:11] <astraljava> Yep.
[12:12] <knome> a-ha
[12:12] <knome> so what's the plan?
[12:12] <astraljava> I'm currently in Kotka, will go by bus sometime around noon, then fly back home in the evening.
[12:13] <knome> ah, okay
[12:13] <knome> so no extra time? :)
[12:14] <astraljava> Not much, sadly.
[12:14] <astraljava>  I didn't even know about the interview when I arrived here in the southern Finland.
[12:14] <astraljava> They called me on Friday when I was already at my mom's.
[12:15] <astraljava> Otherwise I might have had some.
[12:15] <knome> ah :)
[12:16] <knome> well, send an sms if you do. we might be in the city
[12:16] <knome> i need to go prepare some food for wife now
[12:16] <knome> so see you later
[12:16] <astraljava> Alright, will do.
[12:17] <knome> and good luck for the interviews :)
[12:17] <astraljava> Cheers!
[21:12] <ahcrap> hi


[00:00] <dmatt> demonstrated by BluesKaj and me :)
[00:00] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: you're welcome
[00:03] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, np , good luck :)
[00:03] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: you two did great.  ty so much!!!
[00:04] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, perhaps in the near future , you might consider dual booting windows and kubuntu
[00:18] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: perhaps... i've been checking it out for me gf, who had used kde before and whom i'm trying to help migrate from Windoze...
[00:19] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: i've got an all-ubuntu system now and used Wubi to check out kubuntu...
[00:22] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age,  ok , understood
[01:13] <ejm> holy crap! Kubuntu 10.04 is freaking fast! and Plasma actually works now.
[01:21] <afief> How can I get the Korganizer tray icon? it simply refuses to wrok no matter what I do(though the daemon is running)
[01:28] <Typos_King> afief:    sorry, I don't run it myself
[01:28] <afief> Typos_King, It's a wonderful piece of software, been using it to organize most of my life
[01:33] <Typos_King> heh
[01:34] <Typos_King> sooooo
[01:34] <Typos_King> well, there are others as well, like basKet
[01:53] <moes> Is grub 2...the boot load manager for kubuntu
[01:53] <Typos_King> moes:  yes
[01:53] <bazhang> moes, for which version of kubuntu?
[01:54] <moes> bazhang, 10.04 lts
[01:54] <bazhang> moes, yep
[01:54] <bazhang> !grub2
[01:55] <moes> bazhang,  I now have lucid with grub 2 when I install kubuntu along side to I also use the grub
[01:56] <bazhang> moes, alongside? why not just install kubuntu-desktop on existing install? then choose from login window
[01:56] <amason> bazhang: i was just about to ask that :)
[01:56] <bazhang> xubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop etc
[01:57] <bazhang> ubuntustudio and edubuntu as well iirc
[02:32] <ajmal> clear
[02:33] <jjunk> how do i clear window of quassel
[02:50] <cato37> test
[02:51] <cato37> all of my files are showing up in quadruplicate when i search for them in dolphin. is this normal?
[02:53] <jjunk> i dont think so cato
[02:53] <jjunk> i have problem here
[02:53] <cato37> when i select 3 of them (such as a pdf) i get error messages, but one of the four will load.
[02:53] <jjunk> there isnt update manager nor nothing like synaptic in kubuntu?>
[02:54] <jjunk> please report  a bug dude
[02:56] <cato37> i think the kubuntu package manager is kpackagekit. (at least that is what the name reads when selecting it from the launch menu)
[02:57] <jjunk> ya
[02:57] <jjunk> but its no where close to update manager of ubuntu
[02:58] <jjunk> i think room is dead now
[02:59] <cato37> it might be worldwide lunchtime. :)
[02:59] <jjunk> not really its morning in india dude
[03:00] <[CM]> jjunk in the trunk
[03:00] <[CM]> sorry had to
[03:00] <[CM]> L:P
[03:00] <jjunk> now how do i configure kmail for accessing gmail account
[03:01] <[CM]> I tried setting up kmail
[03:01] <[CM]> and it kept putting sent emails in the LOCAL FOLDER
[03:01] <[CM]> even though I told it save on my imap server
[03:01] <[CM]> server*
[03:55] <snarkster> what is the file limit of dolphin??
[03:56] <snarkster> how many files can it handle in a folder?
[04:51] <SockPupCameOn> I am having an issue opening a website on browsers in kubuntu
[04:51] <SockPupCameOn> that doesn't happen with other os's
[04:51] <SockPupCameOn> i am wondering if anybody has any guidance with settings
[05:23] <logyati> hello guys!
[05:24] <logyati> i use ubuntu since dapper. Now i decided to give kde a try... i really enjoy kubuntu 10.04, but i think something is wrong here! the performance is too slow! as if im using software rendering... i dont know, please help!
[06:26] <Khaotic> hi
[06:26] <Khaotic> i need a vnc client
[06:41] <e_t_> Khaotic: there are many VNC clients (and servers) for Linux. KRDC is one I use frequently. It can do both VNC and RDP, and is build on KDE. Wow, that was a lot of acronyms.
[06:46] <Khaotic> e_t_: can i vnc to it from my andriod app?
[06:47] <e_t_> Oh, you want a VNC *server* on your computer so that you can connect from your phone.
[06:49] <UrielCorinthian> Hi there... Silly question - I'm new to KDE (on Kubuntu 10.04). How do I set the default application for files? Every time I double-click a PDF (or open it from an e-mail), GIMP starts up and I really want Okular to handle it.
[06:49] <crazy6> KDM/X won't start. nvidia graphics card. fixable?
[06:50] <maco> UrielCorinthian: right click -> open with -> other
[06:50] <maco> UrielCorinthian: pick okular in there and check the "remember" checkbox
[06:54] <UrielCorinthian> maco - I've done that though...
[06:54] <UrielCorinthian> It still seems to reset it...
[06:54] <UrielCorinthian> Plus - check the image attachment here - why is there a million copies of Okular in the list of choices here...? http://imagebin.org/103402
[06:56] <e_t_> UrielCorinthian: You can also right click -> properties, then click on the wrench icon to the right. The lower half of the window that appears allows you to select which applications to use for a file type, and in what order.
[06:58] <UrielCorinthian> e_t_ - thanks... Just found that one... Looks more promising, since I can see that it stays on Okular now :)  Do you have any idea why there would be so much repetition in the Open With dialog though?
[06:58] <UrielCorinthian> There are other apps that also have multiple instances listed there...
[06:59] <Khaotic> anyone know how to install wine?
[06:59] <Khaotic> e_t_: yes
[06:59] <e_t_> UrielCorinthian: That I do not know.
[06:59] <UrielCorinthian> Okay :)  Thanks for the help though
[07:00] <maco2> UrielCorinthian: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/599785
[07:01] <maco2> UrielCorinthian: bah wrong bug
[07:01] <UrielCorinthian> :)
[07:01] <Khaotic> i need help
[07:01] <UrielCorinthian> I'll wait
[07:01] <e_t_> Khaotic: The counterpart of KRDC is KRFB, the KDE Remote Frame Buffer. It is a VNC server, and you can either send invitations or allow open connections. If you've got a VNC client on your phone, you should be able to connect. That's the nice thing about standards.
[07:01] <maco2> UrielCorinthian: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/574342
[07:01] <maco2> UrielCorinthian: kdesu kate /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[07:01] <maco2> UrielCorinthian: move okular to first
[07:01] <Khaotic> so get KRFB?
[07:03] <e_t_> Khaotic: Or, you can pick something from "aptitude search vnc". As I said, there are many clients and many servers.
[07:03] <Khaotic> i want something that i can view windows stuff too
[07:03] <Khaotic> i really want realvnc
[07:04] <Khaotic> but idk how to set it up
[07:04] <UrielCorinthian> maco2 - thank you. THink that should do it...
[07:04] <UrielCorinthian> I'll check it out
[07:04] <e_t_> Khaotic: VNC is VNC. If you have a Windows box with a VNC server on it, you'll be able to connect to it.
[07:05] <Khaotic> well i have 2 windows computers and this linux laptop
[07:06] <Khaotic> i wish teamviewer worked on linux
[07:06] <e_t_> Khaotic: so you want to view the Windows boxes from the Linux laptop?
[07:06] <Khaotic> yes
[07:09] <e_t_> Khaotic: OK. Install KRDC, then open it. You can press alt+F2 and type krdc, or you can search for it in the K menu > Programs > Internet > KRDC.
[07:12] <Khaotic> e_t_:  i need a client like teamviwer
[07:12] <Khaotic> viewer*
[07:12] <UrielCorinthian> Thanks for the help guys, I'm out
[07:12] <UrielCorinthian> Later!
[07:18] <e_t_> Khaotic: I do not know of a Linux app that does as many things as teamviewer seems to do, but a combination of (any) VNC client + FileZilla FTP + Kopete/Pidgin IM seems like it would offer similar features.
[07:19] <Khaotic> wats a vnc client like it
[07:20] <Z-RAY_> guys i tried to manually reinstall kdenlive and MLT from source, because i had these white dots and lines and now kdenlive don't see many modules! help me, please to make this thing work
[07:20] <e_t_> Khaotic: how does this look? http://www.ubuntusquad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/screenshot-rdp-krdc.png
[07:21] <Khaotic> yuh
[07:22] <Khaotic> like i wanna vnc to and from linux
[07:22] <Khaotic> to and from windows
[07:25] <e_t_> Khaotic: Then you need a client and a server on each end. I think your choice of specific software is a matter of preference. Try several and see what you like. You can always remove the others.
[07:25] <Khaotic> how?
[07:25] <Khaotic> i never found how to remove software lol
[07:27] <e_t_> Khaotic: apt-get or aptitude can both install and remove software. "sudo apt-get install $package" installs, and "sudo apt-get remove $package" uninstalls.
[07:30] <Khaotic> oh
[07:30] <Khaotic> can you help me install realvnc?
[07:30] <Khaotic> krdc isnt seeming to let me connect
[07:31] <e_t_> Khaotic: Have you configured your server to allow connections?
[07:31] <ajmal> can i install hdd temperature monitor on kubuntu
[07:31] <ajmal> ?
[07:31] <ajmal> any software....?
[07:35] <e_t_> Khaotic: realvnc is a proprietary/commercial app. I'll refer you to their website: http://www.realvnc.com/products/enterprise/4.5/install_debian.html
[07:35] <Khaotic> im on ubuntu
[07:36] <e_t_> Khaotic: Ubuntu is a Debian derivative. You'll follow the same steps.
[07:36] <Khaotic> oh awesome
[07:38] <e_t_> Khaotic: Just put "sudo" on the front of the commands to run them as root.
[07:43] <Khaotic> ok
[08:15] <emre> hey all
[08:15] <noaXess> good morning
[08:15] <noaXess> hey emre
[08:16] <emre> i was using ubuntu and switched to kubuntu-desktop. but i'm having sound problems right now.
[08:16] <noaXess> emre: maybe pulseaudio will be the solution..
[08:16] <emre> noaXess, which packages i should install?
[08:17] <emre> trying it, thanks
[08:18] <noaXess> emre: just a german page.. http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Pulseaudio#Nachtraegliche-Installation
[08:19] <noaXess> emre: i installed this packages... in kubuntu.. sudo apt-get install pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio pavucontrol
[08:20] <noaXess> emre: but i haven't switech from ubuntu to kubuntu-desktop.. but maybe it can help you
[08:21] <noaXess> does anybody work with racoon? i start racoon with sudo racoon and with specific settings.. after few minutes the racoon connection goes down, cause sudo timeout.. then i need to insert the racoon command again..
[08:24] <noaXess> can i set a temprary timeout for a specific sudo command?
[09:07]  * Hiryu is gone. Gone since Tue Jun 29 11:24:00 2010
[09:10] <tsimpson> !away > Hiryu
[09:31] <amichair> is kde 4.4.5 an unofficial release?
[09:32] <amichair> (there's no news about in on kde nor kubuntu site, but it's already in the kubuntu ppa)
[09:33] <jussi> no, its the rc1
[09:33] <jussi> http://www.kubuntu.org/node/157
[09:36] <amichair> jussi: I don't use the beta repo (as the link says), only ppa and backports... is an RC supposed to be there?
[09:36] <jussi> amichair: Im not sure. I dont use the "ppa" - is it the experimental ppa? if so, could be anything there...
[09:37] <amichair> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs
[09:38] <amichair> jussi: as I understand it, it's supposed to be updates akin to ubuntu updates repo
[09:43] <Space_Man> join #gentoo
[09:43] <Space_Man> oops
[09:56] <amichair> jussi: Riddell clarified that it's not 4.5RC, but indeed a 4.4.5 - which just hasn't been anounced yet by anyone (upstream or kubuntu). Sounds safe, in any case. Thanks!
[09:56] <jussi> :)
[10:15] <Khaotic> erm
[10:15] <Khaotic> im on an INM Thinkpad and have no sound
[10:15] <Khaotic> what do i do
[10:15] <Khaotic> i think my sound driver was lost when i installed linux
[10:21] <Iraq> How install file .tar.zg ? please step by step
[10:21] <bazhang> Iraq, on bt4?
[10:21] <Iraq> Allah Akbar
[10:21] <Iraq> what you doing here again
[10:21] <bazhang> Iraq, #backtrack-linux for bt4 support not here
[10:22] <Iraq> i didn't asked your help so please if you can do not insert your noise in some thing not your business and thank
[10:23] <bazhang> Iraq, as has been explained to you many times, backtrack is not supported in ubuntu channels. #backtrack-linux is the support channel for bt4 NOT here
[10:24] <Iraq> man can you keep your noise , do not talk with me i will not reply you
[10:26] <Khaotic> interesting
[10:26] <Khaotic> what is back track?
[10:26] <ikonia> it's an ubuntu dirivitive
[10:27] <ikonia> not to worry though, kubuntu is the distro of choice here
[10:27] <Khaotic> i think my sound driver was lost when i installed linux
[11:57] <anthony_> hio
[11:57] <anthony_> hi
[12:37] <slow-motion> hi
[12:46] <ofirk> hello
[12:46] <ofirk> I am looking after some source about Dreamworks using Kubuntu
[12:47] <ofirk> I don't know if it is true, though so if someone here knows anything about it...
[12:51] <ikonia> ofirk: contact dreamworks, it's not really something the community can help with unless they work for drreamworks
[12:52] <ofirk> ikonia: thanks
[12:52] <ikonia> sorry it's not the best response
[12:52] <ikonia> but anything else would just be speeculation, if it does help I do know they have linux machines for rendering, but its not really #kubuntu sort of discussion, join #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat about it
[13:51] <cleric^^> any1 on this channel? O_o
[14:24] <Z-RAY_> can anybody tell me what is -fPIC and how to recompile with it?
[15:03] <Soldier3> 1
[15:08] <galvao> Greetings. I can't make my headset's mic to work at all in Kubuntu 10.04. Can someone please help? Some detail can be found here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1514371
[15:11] <galvao> I have a web meeting in 6h and i'd hate to forcely look for a cyber cafe to do this... =/
[15:19] <Soldier3> galvao: mic it is microphone ?
[15:19] <galvao> Soldier3: Yes, sorryt about that: Microphone
[15:22] <Soldier3> I have same problem. Skype do not work. but...
[15:22] <galvao> but...?
[15:23] <Soldier3> I install pulseaudio
[15:24] <Soldier3> sudo aptitude install pulseaudio
[15:24] <Soldier3> and sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[15:24] <galvao> I've already installed pavucontrol
[15:24] <galvao> it's there, on the post
[15:25] <bazhang> !info padevchooser
[15:26] <Soldier3> galvao: look pavucontrol/inpute Devices
[15:27] <galvao> Soldier3: where can I find that?
[15:27] <tucemiux> pulse audio? LoL
[15:27] <tucemiux> if you install pulse audio you might regret it later
[15:28] <galvao> Soldier3: My pavucontrol doesn't work. Once again, it's all there in my post in ubuntuforums
[15:30] <galvao> On an unrelated note: Can I just add the ppa and upgrade KDE? Nothing to worry about here? (Yes, I have a backup, but it's always better not to use it, if you know what I mean)
[15:30] <Soldier3> galvao: Good
[15:30] <galvao> Soldier3: Good?
[15:30] <Soldier3> make sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[15:31] <galvao> I don't wanna sound bitchy, but shouldn't pavucontrol installed that as a dependency in case it wasn't already installed?
[15:31] <galvao> I mean pavucontrol must depende on pulse audio... or at least that seems to be logic
[15:33] <Soldier3> galvao: I know  English bad.
[15:33] <galvao> Soldier3: Where are you from?
[15:34] <Soldier3> galvao: jast do what I seid
[15:34] <galvao> [upgrading to  KDE 4.4.4]
[15:35] <Soldier3> galvao: Ukraine
[15:36] <Soldier3> galvao: first install pulseaudio
[15:37] <galvao> Soldier3: Sorry, I'll pass on that
[15:37] <galvao> this shouln't be necessary at all
[15:37] <Soldier3> galvao: did you do it
[15:37] <galvao> something is just wrong with the whole case
[15:37] <galvao> no, and wont do it
[15:37] <galvao> unless someone proves me that's an excellent reason to do so
[15:38] <Soldier3> In console
[15:38] <galvao> I'm not an advanced [k]Ubuntu/Linux user as you can see, but I'm not too new either and I need good arguments. This whole pulseaudio thing just doesn't seem logic
[15:38] <Soldier3> sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[15:39] <galvao> Soldier3: Sorry to take yoour time and thanks for the help so far
[15:40] <thomasfuston> aloha, i am using kubuntu 10.04, i got a question about activities, there are 2 kinds avail at moment: "Desktop" and "Folder View", but on kde.org i see more kinds, like a quickstarter activity etc. how to install them on kubuntu ?
[15:40] <Soldier3> galvao: :-)
[15:46] <galvao> If anyone can jump in here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1514371 and give some help I'd really appreciate it.
[15:46] <Soldier3> galvao: You on mic at Kmix ???
[15:53] <slow-motion> bye
[16:05] <Soldier3> exit
[16:09] <harimao> ................
[16:23] <falktx> hi guys
[16:23] <falktx> is this the right place the discuss kubuntu development?
[16:23] <falktx> or is it another channel?
[16:24] <tsimpson> falktx: #kubuntu-devel
[16:24] <falktx> ok, thanks
[16:27] <Machtin> how to install mplayer-plugin? i'm unable to find it in the repositories.
[16:54] <markit> hi, I've booted a laptop with kubuntu 10.04 live just for test. Seems that everything is ok except the keyboard F1..F12 keys. To use them I have to press the "Fn" key first, while their usual behaviour is the second function (like mute, brightness, etc.)
[16:54] <markit> any glue?
[16:54] <markit> clue? emh, tip?
[16:59] <moetunes> check the right keyboard is selected markit
[17:32] <SID> hi
[17:32] <SID> anyone around?
[17:34] <urgen> between the miriads of joins and parts there are probably quite a few people around
[17:34] <SID> lol
[17:34] <urgen> questions get answered often
[17:34] <SID> anyone around that can help me out?
[17:34] <urgen> but not if you don't ask
[17:35] <SID> im looking to dual boot windows 7 with Kubuntu
[17:35] <SID> and wondering the best way to go about it
[17:35] <SID> also......does wubi actuall install the OS? or does it run it from the iso?
[17:36]  * urgen checks what wubi is
[17:37] <Pici> It installs it to a file inside your windows partition.
[17:37] <SID> does it run any slower than a proper install would?
[17:37] <SID> what i mean is....is it the same as running from the live CD?
[17:38] <SID> becasue thats hella slow
[17:38] <Pici> No, it is much more like a 'real' install.
[17:38] <SID> hmmm
[17:39] <SID> could i partition my hard drive with the windows 7 disc....then install 7 on one of the partitions and then boot from the kubuntu cd and install it on the other partition?
[17:40] <Guest92207> hi how can i install kubuntu along windows 7?
[17:41] <Guest92207> HELP!!!! PLEASE!!!
[17:41] <urgen> hehe
[17:41] <urgen> two in one
[17:41] <SID> LoL
[17:41] <Guest92207> so can u help
[17:41] <urgen> along can mean a few things
[17:41] <Guest92207> dual boot
[17:42] <urgen> usually you make multiple partitions and use a boot manager
[17:42] <urgen> but this wubi thing looks cute
[17:42] <Guest92207> can u explain?
[17:42] <djustice> Guest92207: install windows7 first. then just do the next-next-next stuff for kubuntu. it splits/shrinks/dual-boots with windows by default..
[17:42] <urgen> a virtual virtual system
[17:42] <djustice> screw wubi
[17:43] <Guest92207> i already have windows 7 installed
[17:43] <ridin> Guest92207, when you start the installation via the cd, you have the chance to resize your partitions
[17:43] <Guest92207> how
[17:43] <djustice> Guest92207: just next next next the kubuntu installer disc then
[17:43] <urgen> partitions can be resized if there is space
[17:43] <Guest92207> wait
[17:43] <djustice> dont worry about partitions. just boot the disc. and follow the installer.
[17:43] <urgen> hehe
[17:44] <Guest92207> i put the cd in my computer now what
[17:44] <urgen> ouch
[17:44] <urgen> isn't there a wiki?
[17:44] <Guest92207> should i click run wubi.exe
[17:44] <urgen> no
[17:44] <Guest92207> then?
[17:45] <ridin> Guest92207, how big is your harddrive
[17:45] <Guest92207> 500 GB
[17:45] <ridin> oh, you'll get a small kubuntu partition, either like 30/15 gb
[17:46] <Guest92207> how
[17:46] <ridin> what do you mean how
[17:46] <Guest92207> i don't know what i should do to install kubuntu in windows 7
[17:46]  * urgen looking for the wiki steps
[17:46] <urgen> I don't feel like holding hands today
[17:46] <ridin> Guest92207, do you want to try it out or install it completely with more disk space?
[17:46] <Guest92207> sorry but could u plz help thanks
[17:46] <urgen> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Lucid#Dual-Booting_Windows_and_Ubuntu
[17:46] <Guest92207> intall it completley
[17:47] <ridin> well, you need to restart your computer, and boot from your cd
[17:47] <Guest92207> will that replace my windows &?
[17:47] <urgen> read the wiki first
[17:47] <Guest92207> windows 7?
[17:47] <djustice> Guest92207: after you put the disc in, reboot the computer. kubuntu should boot.
[17:48] <djustice> Guest92207: if not, you may have to enter your computers bios and tell it to boot from cd drive.
[17:48] <djustice> Guest92207: after kubuntu boots, there is an 'installer' icon.
[17:48] <Guest92207> so it won't replace windows 7 right?
[17:48] <djustice> Guest92207: nope
[17:48] <ridin> Guest99207, no you have the chance to install side by side
[17:48] <Guest92207> thanks
[17:48] <Guest92207> ill try it now
[17:48] <djustice> installing side-by-side is the default.
[17:48] <Guest92207> plz wait thanks a lot
[17:49] <djustice> overwriting everything is a nondefault option. so you must tell it explicitly to do so.
[17:49] <djustice> Guest92207: np :)
[17:49] <djustice> Guest92207: welcome to kubuntu
[17:49] <Guest92207> thks
[17:50] <Guest92207> ubuntu is the best!
[17:50] <djustice> chakra is the best sir. ;) meanwhile, until you gain wizardly skills. *ubuntu is best.
[17:51] <ridin> i heard gentoo and arch was for advanced
[17:51] <Guest92207> i see a blue screen asking for language
[17:51] <ridin> hmmm
[17:51] <urgen> all linux is for advanced
[17:51] <ridin> go to your language
[17:51] <urgen> but things are still changing
[17:51] <Guest92207> i selected enlish and now i see a another screen i should slect install right?
[17:52] <urgen> it is always a good idea to be capable of not letting technology push you around
[17:52] <djustice> Guest92207: no.
[17:52] <ridin> Guest92207: does it say Try Kubuntu out without installing and install kubuntu?
[17:52] <Guest92207> yes
[17:52] <djustice> Guest92207: try it first. just to see if it works with your computer.
[17:52] <Guest92207> ok
[17:53] <Guest92207> i just see a black screen with nothing on it now
[17:53] <djustice> ridin: they are. but they take days to configure. chakra is preconfigured. like ubuntu. except based on simplicity rather than inclusive complexity.
[17:53] <djustice> Guest92207: wait ;)
[17:53] <Guest92207> ok
[17:54] <ridin> yes, wait because kubuntu is a bit "chunky"
[17:55] <guest135> someone has a few moments help me fixing a dpkg error?
[17:55] <djustice> heh. itz the 4.4.3 stuff. and the cron jobs. and the debian 'way' that are chunky. kubuntu is just a few metapackages..
[17:55] <djustice> guest135: maybe.. what is it?
[17:55] <guest135> alright
[17:55] <guest135> its an uncofigured package
[17:56] <Guest92207> the install guide says: The Ubuntu installer will overwrite your Master Boot Record and you will later be forced to recreate it.
[17:56] <Guest92207> is that true
[17:56] <djustice> "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[17:56] <guest135> error is quite long, where should i post it?
[17:56] <djustice> Guest92207: no. at the end of the install, it installs grub to the master boot record. automatic like.
[17:56] <djustice> guest135: pastebin.ca
[17:56] <guest135> k tnx
[17:58] <Guest92207> thanks djustice, i appreciate the help, peace
[17:58] <guest135> pastebin is not responding, ill just paste the last few lines here
[17:58] <guest135> dpkg: error processing qt4-qmake (--configure):
[17:58] <guest135>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[17:59] <djustice> guest135: hm. thats no help. try pastebin.com, i need the command you ran too. and the goal in question.
[17:59] <djustice> kde-devel? aspiring qt-devel?
[18:00] <guest135> well its basically every command i run involving dpkg
[18:00] <guest135> like apt-get ...
[18:01] <djustice> guest135: ah.. so.. pastebin.com the output of 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'?
[18:01] <guest135> gonna paste at pastebin
[18:02] <ridin> paste.ubuntu.com may help too
[18:03] <djustice> ya. ive always been a pastebin.ca fan.. the custom account/syntax stuff is kewl. ;P and kde's pastebin widget can drag'n'drop there. and to imagebin, filebin, etc.
[18:04] <guest135> ok its this one
[18:04] <guest135> http://pastebin.com/9cwy1Hq3
[18:05] <djustice> kk. one sec.
[18:07] <djustice> guest135: kk. do this. 'cd /var/cache/apt/packages; sudo dpkg --force-all -i ./qt4-qmake*'
[18:07] <djustice> somebody made a bad qt4-qmake pkg.. ;D.. or you can just keep apt-get updateing until they fix it..
[18:08] <guest135> there is no packages below apt
[18:11] <djustice> guest135: hrm.. idr the name.. i havent used kubuntu in ages.. its somewhere under cache/apt tho..
[18:11] <djustice> archives. thats it.
[18:13] <djustice> me and dpkg dont jive... or the update-alternatives stuff... or the built-in cronjob stuff.. or the broken/busted pkgz.. or the hacks..
[18:13] <djustice> the whole stack is wrong. its for servers not desktops. dpkg stacks must be -seriously- solidified before distrobution...
[18:13] <djustice> mumblemumble..
[18:14] <guest135> well i tried the command above
[18:14] <djustice> guest135: same error?
[18:14] <guest135> the error is... gimme a sec
[18:15] <djustice> you may have to edit the status file by hand...
[18:15] <guest135> you mean /var/lib/dpkg/status?
[18:16] <djustice> i do..
[18:16] <djustice> http://www.khattam.info/2009/08/04/solved-subprocess-pre-removal-script-returned-error-exit-status-2-error/ <- a guide on how to fix it.
[18:16] <djustice> what did --force-all say tho?
[18:17] <guest135> says: cannot acces archive: no such file or directory
[18:17] <guest135> when tried with ./qt4-qmake* (--install)
[18:20] <guest135> the status for qt4-qmake looks as the one in the link above, i'm gonna try that out
[18:22] <djustice> guest135: hm.. id use --force-all first.. but you must find the actual qt4-qmake deb file.. which i dont guess is in your apt/archives cache...
[18:22] <djustice> guest135: the status way is more of a hack than a solution..
[18:23] <guest135> and what about that postinst script mentioned in the first error?
[18:24] <guest135> i see there is one in /var/lib/info called qt4-qmake.postinst
[18:24] <guest135> but its empty
[18:25] <guest135> may that be involved?
[18:25] <[1]choppa> hi, i have a friend of mine on KDE 4.4.4 et he has a problem connecting on wifi; sometimes it works; sometimes it stays on 'activation' and asks the password again; it's the same with knetworkmanager, nm-applet, and wicd, so for now i'm staying on knetworkmanager, could someone help please?
[18:28] <ridin> kwallet?
[18:29] <[1]choppa> ?
[18:29] <djustice> guest135: probably not.. i think you may have just got a corrupted qmake pkg from your mirror..
[18:29] <djustice> guest135: you can probably download the new pkg from somewhere (online), and --force-all -i on it to fix everything.
[18:30] <djustice> instead of mucking about in your status file..
[18:30] <guest135> ok im gonna try that out
[18:30] <guest135> thanks alot djustice
[18:32] <DarthFrog> Hmm, there's a new kernel upgrade today.
[18:37] <Renovatio> there's a way to know wich daemons are running on my pc?
[18:38] <DarthFrog> Renovatio: "ps auxww | less" will show you all processes running on your machine.
[18:40] <Renovatio> DarthFrog, thank you. do you know if there is a daemon for audio?
[18:43] <DarthFrog> Phonon or pulseaudio.
[18:44] <DarthFrog> In my experience, pulseaudio causes more problems than its worth.
[18:45] <DarthFrog> Audio in Linux is a mess, a real dog's breakfast.
[18:49] <Renovatio> ok, cause i have a problem, audio don't works :)
[18:57] <DarthFrog> Use System Settings/Multimedia to try different audio devices.
[18:58] <DarthFrog> Also use Kmix to play with the various volume settings.  Check that your output channels aren't muted.
[19:16] <PasNox> hi
[19:17] <PasNox> i encounter strange problems with kubuntu 10.04
[19:17] <PasNox> in the kpackagekit, i deactivate "auto install system update"
[19:17] <PasNox> but the system still persists to install some system component itself
[19:18] <PasNox> like openoffice update, and just right now kernel update
[19:18] <PasNox> is it normal ?
[19:18] <PasNox> it's strange because it does not auto install upate, just some one
[19:19] <PasNox> auto install all updates*
[19:20] <Khaotic> are there any none java ides?
[19:21] <PasNox> eclipse
[19:36] <PasNox> nobody have an idea for my problem ?
[19:39] <oxymoron> Can someone help me solve this problem http://pastebin.com/AFrcP5Ae - I cannot remove or install the packages somehow, I just want them GONE NOW!
[19:40] <oxymoron> I tried remove the lang .mo files but it didnt help.
[19:51] <ridin> oxymoron, try using bleachbit
[19:51] <oxymoron> ridin: bleachbit? :S Isnt that for removing files?
[19:51] <ridin> uh yes, isn't that what you want?
[19:52] <oxymoron> And then I cannot use bleachbit, because I cannot install anything until I solved current problem xD DOH! :D
[19:52] <ridin> usually a restart fixes those problems
[19:52] <ridin> !aptlock | oxymoron
[19:52] <oxymoron> ridin: Eh no? I want to remove an application, or well its files but I dont know which files to remove.
[19:52] <ridin> hmmmmmmm
[19:53] <ridin> sudo apt-get remove application then sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:53] <oxymoron> ridin: http://pastebin.com/AFrcP5Ae
[19:53] <oxymoron> Yes, but its not possible until I removed that FREAKING (******************) error in dpkg.
[19:53] <ridin> well, i'm only 13
[19:53] <ridin> but i want to help
[19:53] <oxymoron> I cannot use apt-get at all.
[19:54] <oxymoron> Yes, I like help no matter age, thanks for trying :)
[19:54] <ridin> i think a restart shall help
[19:54] <ridin> i've had problems related to that
[19:55] <oxymoron> No restart wont help, I tried this yesterday so a reboot has been done already.
[19:56] <oxymoron> The problem is aptitude and dpkg, I would like to kill the programmers made it because it SUCKS!
[19:56] <oxymoron> If ONE thing breaks everything breaks.
[19:57] <oxymoron> And mostly it isnt user made breaks, its package incompabilities thats not solved. Its pathetic.
[19:57] <ridin> hmmmmm
[20:00] <gorgonizer> oxymoron: you can do   sudo dpkg -i --force-verwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevplatform1-libs_1.0.0-1ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevelop-data_4%3a4.0.0-2ubuntu1~lucid~ppa1_all.deb in that instance I believe..
[20:01] <gorgonizer> *--force-overwrite
[20:02] <ridin> dang, i was about to type that
[20:02] <ridin> you win
[20:02] <ridin> i'm not worthy
[20:02]  * ridin bows
[20:03] <gorgonizer> I am also unworthy, just I have used that command more than I care to admit :)
[20:03] <oxymoron> gorgonizer: Thanks, got same solution in another channel at the same time "cd /var/cache/apt/archives/;  sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i kdevelop-data*.deb;  sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i kdevplatform1-libs*.deb"
[20:04] <gorgonizer> oxymoron: as I usually use bleeding edge packages (such as the 4.5 RC 1 packages) I am more than familiar with that command :)
[20:05] <oxymoron> gorgonizer: I have been using that command sometimes earlier when got similar problem with dependecy lock, moment22 :P And I am using RC1 myself ;)
[20:06] <gorgonizer> excellent news :)
[20:06] <oxymoron> Still QT4.7 not working with video + OpenGL + Ciaro Dock ... thats uhm just sad, known bug since ages and nobody cares.
[20:07] <gorgonizer> never used Cario dock..
[20:09] <ridin> docky!
[20:13] <oxymoron> ridin: Tried them all, the only one that works best is Cairo Dock :P But then CD isnt working as I want it ... almost only xD
[20:31] <Kiry> major stupid question: can I burn the Kubuntu distro onto a CD on my Win7 box?
[20:31] <Pici> Kiry: Sure.
[20:31] <amichair> Kiry: sure.
[20:31] <Kiry> *yes!!*
[20:31] <Kiry> um, HOW?
[20:31] <Kiry> a friend installed kubuntu on my laptop before and I don't know how he did it
[20:32] <jakson> what?
[20:32] <amichair> Kiry: using whatever cd burning software you use on windows 7 - they all have a 'burn image' option
[20:32] <Kiry> my Thinkpad has kubuntu 8.04
[20:32] <jakson> ok and?
[20:32] <jakson> 9.04
[20:32] <Kiry> do I need to back up anything on the laptop first?
[20:32] <Pici> Kiry:  If you don't have a tool to burn ISOs, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Windows
[20:32] <jakson> yes
[20:32] <Kiry> noo, I don't think I did the latest update before 10
[20:33] <ridin> wait what
[20:33] <ridin> Kiry, Windows 7 has a burning option
[20:33] <jakson> windows xp its ok
[20:33] <Kiry> it does? awesome!
[20:33] <jakson> linux ubuntu 9.03
[20:34] <Kiry> I want the 32 bit, not netbook version, correct?
[20:34] <ridin> kiry, we aren't you
[20:34] <ridin> if you have a small screen then the netbook version might to fine
[20:34] <Kiry> I know none of my boxes are 64 bit
[20:35] <Kiry> 15" screen
[20:35] <ridin> ok, 32bit then
[21:12] <vbgunz> I have an nvidia card. I use the binary without a problem *but* there is something about the driver I fallback on that gets the framebuffer exactly right. if I don't use the nvidia binary, my framebuffer is at 1920x1080. I can never achieve this with the binary. How can I use the binary yet somehow use the other driver specifically for the framebuffer if this makes any sense?
[21:15] <vbgunz> gonna try some stuff
[21:26] <phpdev4> holas
[22:22] <Reallycool> my sound's messed up, I was given some audio related error, and now the first second of all system notification sounds doesn't play.
[22:33] <Reallycool> is my cursor supposed to be a hand when it's on the desktop?
[22:36] <ranmaruhibikiya> I don't think so
[22:37] <ranmaruhibikiya> maybe cheking the cursor theme
[22:37] <Reallycool> where's that? I don't see it in appearance.
[22:37] <ranmaruhibikiya> is in keyboard and mouse
[22:38] <ranmaruhibikiya> then mouse, and theme
[22:39] <nox> hi
[22:39] <ranmaruhibikiya> hi
[22:40] <Reallycool> still the hands! my guess is... I have no clue, a restart will probably fix it, but it will likely come back after some time
[22:41] <Reallycool> before I restart, one other thing. The widget download menu isn't working for me. it shows a blank list.
[22:42] <ranmaruhibikiya> Reallycool, try change the theme
[22:43] <Reallycool> for the mouse or widget problem? I already tried that for the mouse, and I don't see how that would help the widget issue...
[22:44] <ranmaruhibikiya> for the mouse issue
[22:44] <Reallycool> already tried it...
[22:45] <ranmaruhibikiya> for the widget, is asking for permission to access to the conection?
[22:46] <Reallycool> no
[22:46] <ranmaruhibikiya> because when I install one, ask for permission
[22:46] <ranmaruhibikiya> to connect, then appear the list
[22:47] <Reallycool> the one time it did work, I don't think it asked, either
[23:09] <_tony> does kubuntu offer a live cd ?
[23:29] <Guest52229> Hello?
[23:35] <ranmaruhibikiya> _tony : http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[23:45] <gmariano> Hi! I question about upgrades...Will KDE 4.4.5 eventually make it into kubuntu 10.04? Or the only way to get it is adding kubuntu-ppa?
[23:46] <Erthe> Can anyone tell me what package to install to get the contents of KDE Extragear?
[23:54] <Torch> Erthe: many
[23:54] <Torch> Erthe: each app has its own package.
[23:54] <Torch> Erthe: and that's really a good thing
[23:54] <Torch> Erthe: what app do you want to install?
[23:55] <Erthe> Oh, you know what?  I was looking at the wrong version.  I just updated to 4.4.5 (saw 4.5) and the KDE site states that in 4.5 Konqueror will be able to swap in the WebKit engine.
[23:55] <Erthe> So really, I just have to wait til it's released.  :D
[23:55] <Erthe> Or use rekonq


[00:58] <gxz> hello
[05:21] <gxz> 没有人吗?
[05:21] <gxz> 有没有人啊？
[05:21] <gxz> 为什么没有人说话？
[05:22] <gxz> 来唠嗑啊！唠十块钱的！
[05:23] <valorie> !cn
[05:23] <valorie> gah, no ubottu
[05:25] <gxz> ubuntu
[05:25] <gxz> ?
[05:26] <gxz> what's the ubottu
[05:26] <gxz> ?
[05:26] <gxz> so quiet......
[05:47] <valorie> ubottu is our lovely bot, with all sorts of useful facts and links for people
[05:50] <gxz> ahah,that's good
[05:50] <gxz> I want to be a robot
[05:50] <gxz> do not need sleep
[05:50] <gxz> do not eat
[05:52] <Unit193> !ping | valorie
[05:54] <gxz> I  think I can not understand your speak
[05:54] <gxz> where are you?
[05:58] <valorie> gxz: I'm american
[05:58] <valorie> where are you from?
[05:58] <gxz> China
[05:59] <valorie> !cn
[05:59] <valorie> welcome to you, gxz
[05:59] <gxz> ?join #ubuntu-cn
[06:00] <gxz> thanks
[06:00] <valorie> commands on IRC always begin with  /
[06:00] <gxz> yeah.. I am wrong..
[06:01] <valorie> no problem
[06:01] <valorie> IRC is not the easiest to learn
[06:03] <gxz> At first, I thought it was just a software, but now I find it's a deal
[06:03] <valorie> a deal?
[06:06] <gxz>   mey be my English is so terrible...
[06:06] <gxz> may bi
[06:06] <gxz> may be!
[06:07] <gxz> the keyboard is too old
[06:08] <valorie> your english is good so far
[06:09] <gxz> wait a minute
[06:24] <gxz> Just went to smoke
[06:25] <gxz> do you know?In compulsory education in China, everyone must learn English
[06:26] <gxz> When you are in college, there will be an English test
[06:27] <gxz> So now I can say, according to the Chinese standard is only the primary English
[06:27] <valorie> I wish that all American students had to learn another language
[06:27] <valorie> sadly, that is not true
[06:28] <gxz> If you want to communicate with the normal need to use translation software. However, there are a lot of people's English is much better than me, they may not be very good Chinese, but it is favored by many people. I don't like this kind of education.
[06:29] <gxz> Yes, a foreign language is a communication tool
[06:31] <gxz> Chinese people are very strange, in China, if a child is not good English, that he is not a serious study of people.
[06:33] <gxz> I like USA,and your Edu
[06:33] <gxz> Everyone can develop freely, but do better than anyone else
[06:36] <gxz> O friend .what's your job?
[06:36] <valorie> I'm retired, except for my work for Kubuntu and KDE
[06:36] <gxz> OMG
[06:36] <valorie> ?
[06:37] <gxz> This is why I admire you, in China, ninety percent of people can not use the computer, not to mention Linux and IRC.
[06:38] <gxz> I do the encryption machine security services.
[06:39] <valorie> ah, when personal computers were first made available, my husband and I wanted to be sure that our children learned to use them
[06:39] <valorie> I learned right along with them
[06:43] <gxz> You really let me sit up and take notice
[06:44] <valorie> I guess grandmothers are rather scarce in free software
[06:44] <valorie> but I'm not alone
[06:46] <gxz> Do you use Windows software?
[06:48] <valorie> not for many years
[06:48] <valorie> unless I have to do something on my husband's computer
[06:48] <valorie> he uses an ancient bill-paying software
[06:49] <valorie> I've been using linux since around 2001
[06:49] <gxz> Because I need to work, so I have to use Linux, it is too difficult!
[06:50] <valorie> ?
[06:50] <valorie> what is difficult?
[06:50] <valorie> I find Windows tiresome
[06:50] <gxz> The system used by the encryption machine is LINUX
[06:51] <gxz> I grew up with WINDOWS operating system, so it is difficult for me.
[06:53] <gxz> But my dad said, LINUX is the best operating system, but it is not suitable to play some big games
[06:53] <valorie> well, I first used CP/M, and then DOS, so linux is not so different
[06:53] <valorie> same with Mac
[06:54] <gxz> Do you have any other social ways? Phone or email so that I can ask you about LINUX online.
[06:54] <valorie> I prefer IRC
[06:54] <valorie> are you using Kubuntu?
[06:55] <gxz>  yeah
[06:57] <valorie> then you can ask for help here any time
[06:57] <valorie> that's the utility of a healthy IRC channel -- lots of expertise
[07:06] <gxz> 谢谢
[07:06] <gxz> thank you~
[07:38] <valorie> gxz: I'm 63; although it's a rather personal question
[07:39] <valorie> it's rude to PM people without asking
[07:39] <hateball> !pm
[07:42] <gxz> I'm sorry, I know this is a personal problem, but I'm very happy to chat with you. So forget the details.
[07:46] <gxz> valorie
[08:15] <valorie> katanaxi: I know you are new to IRC; just a word to the wise
[08:15] <valorie> I blog as Linuxgrandma, so I'm not shy about my age
[08:16] <katanaxi> I will pay attention to your blog
[08:17] <katanaxi> but I haven't
[08:17] <katanaxi> I think I should sign up for an account
[08:18] <valorie> it's mostly notes to myself
[08:18] <valorie> when I learn how to do a new thing, I write it down so I don't forget the details
[08:19] <valorie> too often instructions leave out crucial bits that are "understood" -- by non-beginners
[08:31] <katanaxi> Live and learn.
[08:34] <katanaxi> I am thinking about a problem: on the Internet I can communicate with you through the translation software, but when I went to the United States a naive，how can I do?
[08:35] <katanaxi> I am thinking about a problem: on the Internet I can communicate with you through the translation software, but when I went to the United States，how can I do?
[08:42] <katanaxi> valorie Can you give me your blog address？
[09:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[12:17] <daum> hey guys - just upgraded from 14 to 16 kubuntu.  The oxygen monospace font which looks to be the default is really grainy/fuzzy now any ideas what may be causing it?
[12:19] <hateball> daum: check your font smoothing options
[12:19] <hateball> pixel hinting that is
[12:19] <BluesKaj> or use noto sans
[12:20] <daum> ah yep that was it noto sans is much better
[12:20] <daum> thanks!
[12:23] <BluesKaj> noto a great font
[12:52] <daum> BluesKaj, do you happen to know the default font of kate in 14?  Noto is working well except in kate it seems the spacing for an single space string (' ') is super close and hard to tell it's got a space vs empty string
[12:54] <BluesKaj> daum, kate uses whatever you choose in kate>settings.configure kate>fonts&colours>fonts
[12:56] <daum> ok hm something changed between my upgrade but will figure it out
[12:58] <BluesKaj> daum, in other words you can choose whatever fonts you want in kate
[13:00] <daum> right yup
[16:26] <Pici> i/25
[16:26] <Pici> :(
[16:27] <DarinMiller> answer = 2 if i=50
[16:43] <r__rios> Hello. What's the difference between using cp -R and cp -a?
[16:54] <dax> r__rios: as `man cp` says, -a is the same as -dR --preserve=all. -d copies symbolic links as they are instead of following them. --preserve=all attempts to set timestamps, permissions, etc., on the destination to be the same as the source
[16:55] <r__rios> Thanks
[17:53] <Jamesrm86> anyone have experience installing kubuntu via USB?
[17:57] <akik_> Jamesrm86: yes, write the iso image on the usb stick and boot off it
[17:57] <Jamesrm86> i did keeps freeing at the prepare step.
[18:00] <akik_> Jamesrm86: try setting the boot options in the first grub menu
[18:08] <Jamesrm86> ok thanks i will see what i can do.
[18:38] <Jamesrm_86> am still bewildered. seems to be stuck at the end of prepare step of kubuntu usb install. it keeps having an installer chrash. changed bios settings, formatted the drive with the partition manager.  wondering what is up.
[19:56] <gonka> algun español'
[19:56] <gonka> ??
[19:56] <BluesKaj> !es
[19:57] <gonka> gracias
[19:57] <BluesKaj> de nada
[20:25] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/XsU0NQPS so this looks good..  but yet when I log into the desktop I have a nice background, a mouse, and nothing else.  What did I miss?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> Simonious, why did you think you needed to install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:34] <Simonious> BluesKaj: *shrugs* because it doesn't work
[20:34] <Simonious> it's got ubuntu on it and the guy wants the xenial kubuntu desktop he is used to
[20:35] <BluesKaj> the reasonm I asked is if you had chosen kubuntu over another desktop at the login
[20:36] <Simonious> BluesKaj: No, I got it.. It's one of many in a pile of suspicious laptops :)
[20:36] <BluesKaj> does unity desktop load
[20:37] <Simonious> never tried.. how do I load unity?
[20:38] <Simonious> just apt-get install it..?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> ok , let's start over , did you install kubuntu on the laptop?
[20:38] <Simonious> no.. I said that already twice - I got it with Ubuntu on it.
[20:39] <Simonious> I did the attempt to put kubuntu desktop that you saw in the paste.
[20:39] <Simonious> Hmm, only said it once before actually.
[20:40] <BluesKaj> ubuntu has the unity desktop by default, so you can choose it at the login page if it's not the defaullt desktop
[20:40] <Simonious>  but yet when I log into the desktop I have a nice background, a mouse, and nothing else.  What did I miss?
[20:40] <Simonious> I'll look again..
[20:41] <genii> Simonious: Does this machine have multiple monitors?
[20:41] <Simonious> genii: no
[20:42] <BluesKaj> probly plasma-workspace
[20:42] <genii> Simonious: If you bring the cursor to the bottom edge of the screen, does a panel slide up?
[20:42] <Simonious> I can log in, I can move the mouse around..  that is all, no panel, no right click menu
[20:42] <genii> Ah, no right-click menu either
[20:43] <BluesKaj> what about the windows key?
[20:43] <Simonious> ?  nothing
[20:43] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:43] <Simonious> does that usually do something in X?
[20:43] <Simonious> not...
[20:43] <BluesKaj> brings up the kmenu
[20:44] <Simonious> at least not on the box next to it..
[20:44]  * Simonious ponders
[20:47] <genii> Simonious: I would attempt: ctrl-alt-F1  and see if you can gain a console. If so, login there and: mv .kde  .oldkde     then: sudo service lightdm restart   ( or use the name of the window manager you have installed instead, if not lightdm, like sddm, etc).  then if you're not at the login screen again, alt-F7 to get there and try logging in again
[20:47] <Simonious> yup, no problem getting console
[20:48] <Simonious> that had no effect except I  had to log back into X
[20:49] <BluesKaj> ctl+alt+F2, login then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, then sudo apt insta. ll plasma-workspace,  it should already be installed but it's worth a try, then ctl+alt+F7 for the desktop
[20:49] <BluesKaj> correction sudo apt install plasma-workspace
[20:50]  * genii makes more coffee
[20:53] <Simonious> Hmm.. it's working, BluesKaj I didn't get to your last suggestion yet, genii your suggestion may have had a delayed success.
[20:53] <BluesKaj> Simonious, ok that's good news , then do you have a panel on the desktop?
[20:54] <Simonious> yes, it's the familiar looking Xenial background and all
[20:54] <Simonious> so going to do some updates, reboot and see if it stays healthy and behaves
[20:54] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta run some errands ...hope it works out
[20:54] <Simonious> :)
[20:54] <Simonious> thanks
[21:00] <genii> Simonious: Is the context menu appearing now also, on a right-click?
[21:03] <tgm4883> Running 16.04.2, plasma crashed and now it doesn't appear to be starting again even after a reboot
[21:03] <tgm4883> Is there a way to reset it or restart it from the command line so I can look for errors?
[21:06] <diogenes_> tgm4883, try sudo service sddm start
[21:08] <tgm4883> diogenes_: I restarted the computer and it didn't work. I did just test a new user and it works fine there though
[21:08] <diogenes_> tgm4883, then try kstart plasma-desktop
[21:09] <diogenes_> or kstart plasmashell
[21:10] <tgm4883> tried the sddm restart, no change. Tried kstart on both commands and I see no errors other than ommiting bot --window and --windowclass isn't recommended
[21:11] <tgm4883> a look at ps suggests that the PID for each of those isn't running anymore
[21:12] <diogenes_> tgm4883, something is messed up in your /home/.config or .kde or some other cofing files
[21:12] <tgm4883> diogenes_: yea I'll agree with that. Let me try doing a mv on .config
[21:12] <diogenes_> ok
[21:16] <tgm4883> diogenes_: yea, moving .config fixed it. I wish that was logged somewhere as I'd rather take it out with a scapel than a guided missle
[21:17] <diogenes_> tgm4883, you gonna have a sleepless night trying to figure it out but it's possible though
[21:17] <tgm4883> minimally I'd hope for a validator that could just ensure it wasn't something like a file getting truncated
[21:18] <diogenes_> try to remember what changes you made before it stopped responding
[21:21] <tgm4883> diogenes_: Yea, I actually didn't make any changes today. The only thing I did was register a program that I purchased, which I had to do again after wiping that directory. I suppose it's worth a logout/login to see if that was it
[21:22] <diogenes_> tgm4883, try just to remove it's appearence in .config folder and see if it's the issue
[21:27] <tgm4883> diogenes_: nope, that doesn't seem to have been it
[21:28] <diogenes_> tgm4883, then try to see the terminal history, maybe you did something in terminal and you forgot
[21:32] <tgm4883> diogenes_: nothing out of the ordinary. I guess I'll just monitor it and see if it happens again at some point
[21:32] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/JfZSSedS apt-get update had a bad time, here are the last few lines where the err/fail happened.
[21:32] <diogenes_> tgm4883, yeah I guess that's a better option
[21:32] <tgm4883> diogenes_: thanks for the help
[21:33] <diogenes_> tgm4883, you're welcome


[00:05] <cjwatson> Teduardo: no, that's the newest.  are you aware that there's a saucy-netboot tree in there which is built using the lts-saucy kernel, though?
[00:06] <cjwatson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/saucy-netboot/
[00:07] <antarus> hrm does the trusty nightly build support installing?
[00:07] <antarus> or should I be downloading something else?
[00:07] <cjwatson> should do ...
[00:07] <antarus> sorry my questions are stupid, heh
[00:08] <cjwatson> I mean, obviously modulo bugs, but it's meant to work and usually does
[00:08] <antarus> yeah
[00:08] <cjwatson> http://ci.ubuntu.com/ seems fairly happy with it
[00:08] <antarus> as I said, my question was stupid
[00:08] <antarus> ;p
[00:53] <infinity> cjwatson: You okay with the general wording and layout of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/precise/ ?
[00:53] <infinity> cjwatson: (This was at the request of the kernel team, after a few customers in a row expressed confusion about there being no links to the HWE netboot images)
[00:54] <infinity> Teduardo: Does http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/precise/ help with the confusion you had earlier finding HWE d-i images?
[00:57] <antarus> ok trying to generate custom signing keys is annoying ;p
[00:59] <cjwatson> infinity: seems ok, although our stylesheet apparently doesn't make h1 and h2 look very different
[00:59] <infinity> cjwatson: A tiny bit!
[00:59] <infinity> Very tiny...
[01:00] <cjwatson> the markup's semantically right, anyway
[01:02] <infinity> cjwatson: That style sheet could probably use a web monkey slapping it around a bit to make it match modern branding, instead of being a reject from 2007.
[01:02] <infinity> But meh.
[01:03] <cjwatson> yeah, unfortunately when web people have sent me updates for cdimage in the past they've tended to be fresh copies of generated html, which is less than entirely easy to integrate
[01:04] <cjwatson> maybe I should try again at some point
[01:04] <infinity> If you were just clear that we wanted a brand-appropriate style sheet, we could go from there?
[01:04] <infinity> Or maybe we can just steal one from www.ubuntu.com and try to find elements that sort of match our use-cases.
[01:04] <cjwatson> yeah, probably
[01:05] <cjwatson> it's come under my "really not a web person" banner :)
[01:05] <infinity> I used to be, but I try my hardest to pretend those years never happened.
[01:05] <infinity> (There's a reason I used to maintain apache, php, and mysql in Debian, and it wasn't for the lolz)
[01:05] <antarus> I wiped my HP signed booting keys, and now the hardware fails to post, heh.
[02:48] <antarus> stgraber: was it you who was screwing around with secureBoot?
[02:48] <antarus> stgraber: for the life of me i cannot get efi to take my custom keys. Very close to calling up HP
[19:12] <xnox> cjwatson: infinity: i thought there was a sensiblish theme for cloud images or some such.
[19:12] <xnox> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[19:13] <xnox> and that's how all cdimage looks like...


[00:28] <pjotter> Hi people
[00:28] <robotics> pjotter, hi
[00:28] <pjotter> Has anyone noticed lagging vertical scrolling in mousepad lately?
[00:28] <pjotter> Hi robotics
[00:28] <robotics> pjotter, hi pjotter
[00:30] <pjotter> By lagging I mean, it scrolls very slow or 'heavy'. It kind of drags behind the mousepointer.
[00:32] <robotics> i haven't
[00:32] <pjotter> It started after recent updates. Suddenly mousepad scrolling behaves odd.
[00:32] <pjotter> I tried installing gedit. It too has the lagging scrolling. Other apps such as firefox are fine.
[00:33] <robotics> it's strange
[00:34] <pjotter> Not sure what caused it. I have a somewhat strange setup here. <IP_ADDRESS> with an upgrade to xfce 4.12
[00:35] <knome> pjotter, does it happen without the PPA?
[00:43] <pjotter> knome. I don;t know. I haven't tested it yet. I could try to revert back to 4.10 and see if that helps
[00:45] <pjotter> Ok, here goes... :)
[00:45] <pjotter> I will probably have to reboot.
[00:45] <Unit193> IMHO, if you want to update to 4.12 you should maybe use 15.10.  Also, no reboot would be required, just log out and back in.
[00:46] <pjotter> brb
[00:50] <pjotter> Hi there. Back again. 4.12 removed. Back on 4.10 again. Lagging is gone :D
[00:51] <knome> there we go
[00:52] <pjotter> Alright. Enough fiddling for tonight. I really must get some sleep.
[00:53] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Sweet dreams, pjotter.
[00:53] <pjotter> Thanks JohnnyComeL8ly. Thanks for the help everyone!
[01:04] <Unit193> knome: I know GTK3 has 'smooth scrolling', and mousepad went from 2 to 3 over that time, but didn't GTK3 introduce smooth scrolling more recently?
[01:06] <knome> i have no idea - i'm on 15.10 and i don't see the "lagging" effect
[01:06] <knome> but if i've had it, and there is any way to have disabled that, there's a chance that i did it...
[02:34] <glitchd> hello all
[02:34] <glitchd> having a weird problem and would appreciate a little help if possible
[02:34] <glitchd> been searching and searching but have found no answer
[02:35] <glitchd> so randomly, my wm or dm, not sure which one, will switch and i will be left with huge icons and everything is misplaced
[03:56] <xubuntu09w> is 15.10 systemd by default
[03:57] <Unit193> Yep.
[03:59] <xubuntu09w> thanks
[08:30] <xubuntu36d> Hello
[08:30] <xubuntu36d> this is my first time here
[08:30] <xubuntu36d> can i ask questions here?
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> wasn't that a question ?
[12:55] <Zeioth> hi, I'm experiencing a boot problem in Xubuntu 15.10: I can see the login screen but my mouse and keyboard are disabled, and after about 10 seconds, the image freezes
[12:55] <Zeioth> there's any precedent of this error?
[12:59] <Zeioth> this is after a fresh install
[15:07] <xubuntu63i> quick pls help
[16:39] <trixtator> Good evening!
[17:40] <Voyage> I cannot install skype; can anyone have a look? http://pastie.org/10649481#1,3,24,133,227,238-239
[17:54] <genii> Voyage: I'm already trying to assist you in #kubuntu
[17:56] <Voyage> yes; this message is old and was sent before you tried to help (thanks)
[18:25] <custom> Linux is too hard to use im going back to windows
[18:27] <flocculant> okey doke
[18:28] <flocculant> it can often be best for some people
[18:32] <Slumlord_> it is a big learning curve, but you won't be sorry
[18:32] <Slumlord_> once you turn make the corner
[18:34] <Slumlord_> you should try compiling all the software yourself by hand that you want to install
[18:34] <Slumlord_> play with a command prompt for awhile
[18:34] <Slumlord_> learn some commands
[19:31] <flocculant> Slumlord_: long gone
[19:35] <Slumlord_> i suppose
[19:37] <flocculant> oh - not been back here for a bit - didn't see the time stamp by you :)
[19:37] <flocculant> probably not at that point :)
[19:40] <Slumlord_> yeah i just come and go
[19:40] <Slumlord_> i love xubuntu it's probably my favorite os
[19:41] <Slumlord_> i have it on my laptop and man does the os fly
[23:57] <the_rooter> hello everyone
[23:57] <the_rooter> need some help on xubuntu 5.10
[23:57] <flocculant> hi :)
[23:57] <the_rooter> sorry about the wrong area flocculant
[23:57] <flocculant> we'll all assume 15.10 :)
[23:58] <the_rooter> sorry it been a long day yes. 15.10
[23:58] <flocculant> the_rooter: no problem - you can hang there still - you might wake people up :D
[23:58] <the_rooter> its ok
[23:58] <flocculant> the_rooter: anyway - best thing is to just ask the question in one line as best you can :)


[08:08] <apw> bryceh, you had an apt-repository-purge script i think ... did that make it into the distro as someting in the end?
[08:11] <bryceh> apw, ppa-purge what you're thinking about?  yes, it's in the archive
[08:12] <apw> bryceh, ahh i was looking for apt-repository-purge and failing ... thanks
[16:00] <apw> bryceh, that patch just went out to kernel-team@ for approval
[16:00] <apw> bryceh, if you have some solid examples of use cases then you might reply with them
[16:00] <Sarvatt> apw: have you not seen http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~airlied/linux/commit/?h=drm-next&id=da0df92b57311aa1b26a2a90599ed16e1e968b90 ? thats going in 3.4
[16:01] <Sarvatt> pull request went out today for it
[16:01] <apw> Sarvatt, bah 30s ago wuld have been better ...
[16:03] <Sarvatt> sorry, i just saw it a few minutes ago in the drm pull request
[16:04] <apw> Sarvatt, heh not your fault, just annoying, i had _literally_ just hit return on the send
[16:09] <Sarvatt> wow it actually straight up applies to 3.2 too, amazed
[18:43] <bryceh> mesa 8.0.1's out
[18:43] <jcristau> 8.0.2
[18:43] <tjaalton> you mean .2?
[18:43] <jcristau> cock-up in the first mail
[18:44] <bryceh> haha, right
[18:44] <tjaalton> heh
[21:05] <Sarvatt> RAOF: any idea why all my color profiles disappeared after the last days worth of updates? :P
[21:13] <Sarvatt> ah ok looks like the settings just got changed and it was not obvious that i needed to add profile and pick the old one, thought adding a profile would make me recalibrate
[21:14] <Sarvatt> crazy how annoying the default color profile is on this macbook air when you get used to it being set up right :)
[21:41] <RAOF> Sarvatt: That's true for *all* displays, apparently.
[21:42] <RAOF> All laptop displays, at least.
[21:42] <RAOF> Super high colour temperature!
[22:01] <Sarvatt> libxaw doesn't build with new util-macros btw (see #debian-x)
[22:01] <Sarvatt> --disable-selective-werror fixes it though
[23:05] <tjaalton> filed FFe for wacom 0.14.0
[23:09] <tjaalton> cnd: hey, so is wacom multitouch supported by the utouch stuff or what's it called?
[23:09] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: very much doubt it, it does its own gestures inside the driver i thought?
[23:09] <cnd> tjaalton, which stuff?
[23:09] <cnd> the X wacom driver is not supported by utouch
[23:10] <tjaalton> meh
[23:10] <tjaalton> :)
[23:10] <cnd> the wacom products could be supported if you use evdev
[23:10] <tjaalton> intuos5 S would be soo cool..
[23:10] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: windows/mac yes
[23:10] <Sarvatt> dont you already have an intuos 4?
[23:10] <cnd> Chris Bagwell mentioned on linux-input that he is interested in bringing XI 2.2 multitouch support to X wacom
[23:10] <tjaalton> yeah but it's the large one, too large
[23:11] <cnd> when that happens, utouch should have no problems supporting it
[23:11] <Sarvatt> whoa first person i've ever heard complain about having too large a wacom tablet :)
[23:11] <tjaalton> hmm I'm not on that list, should subscribe i guess
[23:12] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: S would fit next to my slim thinkpad kbd, 4L is high up on the shelf :)
[23:12] <Sarvatt> i've got an intuos 4 6x8
[23:12] <Sarvatt> 4x5 was too small, went through 2 of those in the past
[23:12] <tjaalton> and I don't really use it for art, or anything for that matter
[23:13] <tjaalton> original idea was to use it for photo management, but it's too big for that
[23:14] <Sarvatt> probably be served just as well by a cheap bamboo, not like you need the extra pressure levels in that case :)
[23:14] <RAOF> cnd: Hey, what's currently meant to be working on the unity gesture front?
[23:14] <cnd> RAOF, nothing :)
[23:14] <Sarvatt> 4 finger ones!
[23:15] <cnd> but, I'm about to upload utouch-grail and utouch-frame and utouch-geis
[23:15] <Sarvatt> when they work
[23:15] <cnd> that should make the 4 stuff work properly
[23:15] <RAOF> Ok.  That makes sense of why the magic touchpad isn't doing anything :)
[23:15] <cnd> and then we will probably land the 3 touch window gestures soon after beta 2 releases
[23:15] <Sarvatt> hmm its actually different now than it was a week ago, 4 finger swipe in any direction unhides the launcher
[23:15] <cnd> Sarvatt, none of that code should have changed...
[23:15] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Not in precise at the moment :)
[23:16] <cnd> but there's a lot broken in precise right now
[23:16] <cnd> however, we have glorious regression tests :)
[23:16] <Sarvatt> RAOF: works on my bcm5974 with synaptics :)
[23:16] <Sarvatt> oh hey i got the dash that time
[23:16] <cnd> taps are reallly really broken in precise
[23:17] <cnd> they've been a big focus of our work
[23:17] <Sarvatt> cnd: is it intentional clickpad being turned on forces tap to click on too?
[23:17] <cnd> Sarvatt, no, that is handled by gnome-settings-daemon
[23:17] <cnd> depending on your trackpad settings
[23:17] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: well, I have an aiptek/waltop if I want to use a crappy device.. :)
[23:18] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Fails on my magic touchpad with synaptics ☹
[23:19] <Sarvatt> cnd: oh nevermind, whatever that was got fixed apparently. enabling clickpad with synclient ClickPad=1 always turned on tap to click and ignored g-s-d
[23:20] <cnd> Sarvatt, hmmm, that may have happened in earlier patches
[23:20] <cnd> but shouldn't now
[23:20] <Sarvatt> cnd: nice, you made 2 finger press do a right click now?
[23:21] <cnd> Sarvatt, yes, though it was whot who really did it
[23:21] <Sarvatt> with clickpad enabled
[23:21] <Sarvatt> cool!
[23:21] <Sarvatt> only problem is, you have to hold the press or it closes the context menu :)
[23:21] <cnd> so upstream now has full clickpad support, and we have it from upstream
[23:21] <cnd> Sarvatt, you can to a "click"
[23:21] <cnd> i.e. don't hold it down
[23:22] <cnd> the menu should stay up
[23:22] <Sarvatt> cnd: oh i see the issue
[23:22] <Sarvatt> if you 2 finger press
[23:22] <cnd> if it disappears immediately, then wait for the next synaptics update :)
[23:22] <Sarvatt> then lift both fingers
[23:22] <Sarvatt> the menu disappears
[23:22] <Sarvatt> if you lift 1 finger its fine
[23:23] <Sarvatt> actually what the heck, its not following any patterns, sometimes it works sometimes it closes immediately
[23:24] <Sarvatt> 2 finger press then lift 1 finger always leaves the menu up, sometimes 2 finger press then lifting both fingers closes it immediately
[23:25] <Sarvatt> maybe this has something to do with the thousands of Warning: failed to get previous touch value i have in ~/.xsession-errors
[23:25] <cnd> Sarvatt, you're hitting a bug I just fixed
[23:25] <Sarvatt> woohoo, best kind of bug :)
[23:25] <cnd> wait for the synaptics that is building in the archive to finish :)
[23:28] <Sarvatt> starting the PPU process, whee
[23:28] <Sarvatt> have to dig out every single X package to add to the wiki
[23:29] <broder> Sarvatt: new packageset?
[23:29] <Sarvatt> yeah going to ask for an X package set
[23:35] <bryceh> Sarvatt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/894450/
[23:36] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ohh nice, thank you for that!
[23:36] <Sarvatt> there's a bunch missing but thats a good start, i was gonna pilfer your versions-current report
[23:36] <bryceh> better to use the arsenal script -  ./ls-team-subscribed-packages.py -t ubuntu-x-swat | pastebinit
[23:37] <bryceh> Sarvatt, for missing stuff, sub ubuntu-x-swat if we're maintaining it
[23:38] <Sarvatt> ah cool was just about to ask that
[23:39] <Sarvatt> the mail subscriptions?
[23:40] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/weston.png
[23:41] <bryceh> lemme doublecheck
[23:42] <bryceh> yes, that's right.  And set it for all mail not just open/close
[23:42] <Sarvatt> bryceh: would ya mind copying https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sarvatt/MOTUApplication to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sarvatt/DeveloperApplication-PPU ? Sorry for not acting when you spent all that time giving me an endorsement before
[23:43] <bryceh> sure thing
[23:43] <Sarvatt> appreciate it, no rush or anything because this will take a few weeks at least
[23:45] <bryceh> Sarvatt, weird, I thought you were core-dev now?
[23:46] <Sarvatt> bryceh: nope only ubuntu member here!
[23:47] <bryceh> there we go
[23:48] <Sarvatt> going through that ordeal selling myself to a group of people really weirded me out, not looking forward to doing it again but it needs to get done, i bug you guys too much :)
[23:50] <bryceh> yeah I remember it being stressful when I went through it


[00:30] <linsux> uuair, i use flatpak
[00:30] <linsux> fcitx works in wine qq, telegram, skype
[00:30] <linsux> but not in hexchat, thunderbird and chrome firefox


[02:13] <joejaxx> superm1: yes i am
[02:14] <superm1> hey joejaxx .  I wanted to ask if you could look over the current packaging i have for our metas.  i can't figure out what is happening
[02:14] <superm1> why ./update won't work
[02:15] <superm1> the LP page for the meta is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-meta and the seed here https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.gutsy
[02:43] <superm1> joejaxx, this is the output that I am getting when trying to build: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31854/
[02:44] <superm1> I had thought it was originally the version of germinate i was using (since i'm on feisty), so I backported the gutsy version of germinate and debootstrap to feisty and installed both of those
[10:18] <cjwatson> superm1: odd, looks like it got a STRUCTURE file with a blank line in it or something
[10:18] <superm1> cjwatson, yes that's what it ended up being
[10:19] <superm1> i was banging my head on the desk for a long time today
[10:19] <superm1> and caught that
[10:19] <cjwatson> ah yes, I see that
[10:19] <cjwatson> I'll fix germinate to ignore that
[10:19] <superm1> i'm trying to determine now how come the contents of the standard seed aren't being included
[10:20] <superm1> even though they are listed in the STRUCTURE file under the seed i wanted them to be dependent on
[10:20] <cjwatson> (these aren't relevant to that question, but) I'd suggest switching the order of live and standalone in STRUCTURE, and including a supported seed at the end ... supported is the only seed that's kinda hardcoded
[10:21] <superm1> oh the order actually matters then?
[10:22] <cjwatson> yes, it can make a slight difference - always list seeds from inner to outer
[10:22] <cjwatson> your seed_map/minimal is broken, because you don't have a minimal seed
[10:23] <cjwatson> I would suggest changing your seeds rather than changing update.cfg - it's better to be branched off the most recent possible Ubuntu seeds
[10:23] <cjwatson> err, "because you don't have a required seed" I mean
[10:23] <superm1> i was modeling it off of i think xubuntu or another that didn't have a required either
[10:23] <cjwatson> your seed_base is also outdated - should be /~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ now
[10:23] <superm1> and then was getting confused as to which way to follow
[10:23] <cjwatson> and you need to update archive_base/blah
[10:24] <cjwatson> xubuntu has required
[10:24] <cjwatson> it looks like you modelled it off feisty
[10:24] <superm1> possibly
[10:24] <cjwatson> DDTT :)
[10:25] <superm1> you were meaning in my update.cfg, that it was outdated?  I have seed_base: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/
[10:25] <superm1> listed
[10:25] <cjwatson> that's not committed yet then?
[10:25] <superm1> it should be
[10:26] <cjwatson> I was looking on codebrowse.launchpad.net
[10:26] <superm1> whoops wasn't pushed
[10:26] <superm1> that would make a bit of a difference wouldn't it :)
[10:28] <superm1> nonetheless though i still don't have a required seed listed, so i'll have to add that in
[11:03] <superm1> cjwatson, in switching things around to more closely model the ubuntu.gutsy branch and ubuntu-meta package, somehow this came along: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31882/.  I'm a bit confused by it
[11:05] <cjwatson> superm1: take boot out of the live seed's inheritance list (boot is WEIRD)
[11:06] <cjwatson> superm1: and take it out of seeds: in update.cfg
[11:06] <cjwatson> superm1: change 'seed_map/minimal: minimal' to 'seed_map/minimal: required minimal' now that you have a required seed
[11:06] <superm1> well its out of the update.cfg
[11:06] <superm1> and i changed the seed_map to required minimal
[11:06] <cjwatson> this is part of the reason there's a separate ship-live in the Ubuntu seeds which inherits from boot
[11:06] <superm1> (locally)
[11:07] <cjwatson> you can't use boot in anything that generates a metapackage
[11:07] <superm1> oh
[11:07] <cjwatson> germinate gets too confused by having to follow the kernel dependency chain
[11:07] <cjwatson> and livecd.sh installs a kernel anyway, so it's not necessary
[11:08] <superm1> well the way that we bootstrap the mythbuntu disks is a bit different, so ideally a kernel should be listed in our metas
[11:08] <superm1> if possible
[11:08] <cjwatson> you can't
[11:08] <cjwatson> not without substantial code changes. I went down this road a year or two back
[11:09] <superm1> is there something wrong with listing something like linux-image-generic [i386]  [amd64]
[11:09] <superm1> and then another line for linx-image-powerpc [powerpc]  ?
[11:09] <cjwatson> your call, don't come to me if it breaks
[11:09] <superm1> haha
[11:09] <cjwatson> I recommend against
[11:10] <superm1> perhaps just listing the kernel in our build script will suffice then
[11:10] <cjwatson> like I say, it tends to produce wrong results in some places
[11:10] <superm1> i see
[11:11] <cjwatson> oh and including them in the metapackage makes ubiquity do the wrong thing too
[11:11] <cjwatson> well, including them in live might not have that effect
[11:11] <cjwatson> including them in minimal or required or whatever would definitely break
[11:11] <superm1> well i was going to be including them in standalone
[11:11] <superm1> and then ubiquity was going to pick off live
[11:11] <superm1> so i assumed that standalone could keep them
[11:12] <cjwatson> that breaks because there isn't necessarily just one kernel to be installed everywhere
[11:12] <superm1> right
[11:12] <cjwatson> take the case of powerpc, where you need to install -powerpc or -powerpc64 depending on the system
[11:12] <cjwatson> kernels have to not be in metapackages for that reason
[11:12] <superm1> and i386 you can get -generic or -i386
[11:12] <superm1> okay this makes more sense then
[11:13] <superm1> unfortunate though :(
[11:26] <superm1> okay i got it working again now that i added the ship-live.  Thanks cjwatson .  I"m gonna get to bed now
[11:31] <cjwatson> sleep well
[01:13] <cjwatson> so close to having partman-auto-loop working!
[02:26] <evand> awesome!
[02:27] <cjwatson> uploaded, too
[02:51] <cjwatson> evand: I just disabled multiverse for Gobuntu - noticed somebody had commented on that on the mailing list
[02:52] <evand> cjwatson: ah, thanks
[02:53] <cjwatson> evand: how goes the automation work? we should be able to try that out in conjunction with partman-auto-loop soonish
[02:53] <cr3> cjwatson: dude, many thanks for all the help you provided to Yongkang
[02:53] <cjwatson> evand: grub and initramfs probably won't work right yet though ...
[02:53] <cjwatson> cr3: no trouble, I'll reply to your mail about general policy in a bit
[02:53] <cjwatson> cr3: (basically I only took it because there was contention that it was a bug)
[02:54] <evand> cjwatson: good, just need to figure out why one of the partman questions isn't getting asked when I have the graceful page skipping on, possibly more issues related to partman.
[02:54] <cr3> cjwatson: I had a couple questions while reading the thread: 1. is it possible to presseed so that the installation is done on an existing partition? 2. is it possible to preseed so that an existing partition is resized?
[02:55] <cjwatson> cr3: 1) no, longish-standing wishlist for partman-auto; 2) I don't think so at the moment - the resize UI isn't really flexible enough
[02:56] <cjwatson> partman preseeding is mostly designed for deploying lots of Linux-only systems, and it does show rather
[02:57] <CIA-19> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2167 ubiquity/ (d-i/lists/any debian/changelog): * Add partman-auto-loop.
[05:43] <cjwatson> argh, debugging initramfs changes on a loop-mounted root filesystem is tedious
[05:44] <evand> heh
[05:45] <evand> partman issues in graceful page skipping are resolved, now I'm just cleaning things up a bit, looking for outstanding issues, and beating migration-assistant mercilessly
[05:45] <cjwatson> rock
[05:48] <cjwatson> ok, that was doing quite well until fsck failed
[05:48] <cjwatson> ugh!
[05:48] <cjwatson> "Error writing block 810 (attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write)."
[05:49] <cjwatson> in an infinite loop
[05:53] <glledo> Hi, in the advanced partitioner I'm using an existing partition for the / that is already formatted. If I just change its mountpoint it complains that "The file system on /dev/bla has not been marked for formatting"
[05:54] <glledo> I guess that if I change the mountpoint to something like / it should mark it to format, right? : P
[05:56] <evand> wishlist bug? or is that a design decision, cjwatson?
[05:57] <cjwatson> hang on, just looking for the bit of UI you need to twiddle
[05:58] <cjwatson> glledo: which release of Ubuntu?
[05:58] <glledo> is a gutsy daily live cd
[05:58] <glledo> let me see
[05:59] <glledo> I downloaded 19th of this month
[05:59] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, right, that warning
[05:59] <cjwatson> you really do have to format /
[06:00] <cjwatson> back up anything you need from there first
[06:00] <glledo> ok, so is a design decision
[06:00] <cjwatson> it's probably a valid wishlist bug that it should check to see if it's empty first before emitting that warning
[06:01] <cjwatson> (it doesn't have the filesystem mounted when it emits that warning though, so it's not trivial to do that check)
[06:01] <glledo> or probably just show a warning and then proceed to mark it as formattable
[06:01] <cjwatson> same problem
[06:01] <cjwatson> evand: partman/check.d/12system_partitions_formatted, BTW
[06:02] <glledo> ok, I have to leave, I'll check what did you decide tomorrow ; )
[06:02] <evand> ah, thanks cjwatson
[06:03] <evand> glledo: can you file a bug on this?
[06:19] <superm1> evand, could you merge me once more.  i've got another set of lirc changes in ubiquity
[06:19] <superm1> i renamed the branch so it shows up on code.lp.net/ubiquity now too
[06:19] <evand> superm1: will do
[06:19] <superm1> here is the link to the lp page: https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ubiquity/mythbuntu-ubiquity  thx :)
[06:23] <cjwatson> damnit, why is write() failing with -EPERM at exactly the same spot (not the start) of this loop-mounted image every time?
[07:06] <glledo> evand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/129268
[07:13] <evand> glledo: thanks
[07:13] <glledo> no prob
[07:13] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r2168 ubiquity/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Merged with ubiqutiy.mythbuntu
[07:18] <superm1> evand, out of curiosity, how do you and cjwatson handle your commits to the ~ubuntu-installer/trunk branch?  Are you both bound to it to make sure you don't step on each other's toes?  Or do you guys always bzr pull before committing something?
[07:19] <cjwatson> I bind to it
[07:19] <evand> I am bound as well
[07:20] <superm1> so when multiple people work on the exact same launchpad branch its better to operate that way, whereas if you merge in multiple different branches from other locations, then it's better to be unbound and just do merges
[07:21] <evand> there will always be merges.  I just use bind to avoid forgetting to push.
[07:21] <superm1> ah
[07:22] <superm1> yea i kept doing that last night too
[07:22] <superm1> so in your guys' case then, you always bzr pull or bzr merge each other's changes?
[07:24] <cjwatson> neither, if you're bound you use bzr update
[07:24] <cjwatson> it stops you even committing if you're out of date
[07:24] <superm1> ah that's how to do it then
[07:24] <superm1> ok
[07:24] <cjwatson> it's also fine to be bound if you merge branches from other locations
[07:25] <cjwatson> as evand says, it's convenient for avoiding forgetting to push
[08:04] <xivulon> hi cjwatson, saw your email, was just reading your code
[08:07] <cjwatson> xivulon: ok
[08:08] <cjwatson> it's certainly not all the way there yet, but I think it's worth an intermediate look
[08:08] <xivulon> just came back from holidays (the boss vetoed any cpu-based equipment)
[08:09] <xivulon> so sorry if I left you all the burden
[08:09] <cjwatson> not a problem, I expected to be writing partman-auto-loop myself anyway as it was not easy
[08:11] <xivulon> was just reading that
[08:12] <cjwatson> preseeding and having that in the regular images should be a win
[08:12] <xivulon> q
[08:12] <xivulon> do you have to preseed the partition number?
[08:12] <cjwatson> yes
[08:12] <cjwatson> gotta know where to put the images :)
[08:13] <xivulon> that might be an issue to find that out from within windows
[08:13] <xivulon> I mean mapping windows drive letters to linux partitions
[08:13] <cjwatson> mm, we might be able to come up with some other way to specify that
[08:13] <cjwatson> anyway, off for the evening, please follow up by e-mail
[08:13] <superm1> is that where this automatic preseeding will be used?  setup.exe?
[08:13] <cjwatson> that's one use for it
[08:14] <cjwatson> and the most immediately urgent, but not the only one
[08:14] <superm1> probably also for OEMs
[08:14] <superm1> have a good evening cjwatson
[08:14] <cjwatson> OEMs> maybe, depends on their setup
[08:14] <xivulon> quick q
[08:14] <xivulon> is the host folder normally mounted r/o correct?
[08:15] <cjwatson> xivulon: I'd expect so on normal boot
[08:15] <cjwatson> but e-mail, please :)
[08:15] <xivulon> sure
[08:16] <cjwatson> the initramfs-tools default is to mount the root filesystem read-only; the way I've done it the host filesystem just follows that
[08:16] <xivulon> I agree
[08:16] <cjwatson> but it could probably be made to be otherwise if need be
[08:16] <cjwatson> e.g. if it's a problem for making other use of the Windows filesystem from Linux
[08:16] <xivulon> just wanted to note that in that case you might have to remount
[08:16] <xivulon> r/w
[08:16] <cjwatson> that's true
[08:17] <xivulon> which means adding an /host entry to fstab
[08:17] <xivulon> and changing checkroot
[08:17] <cjwatson> fstab's very much not sorted out yet
[08:18] <xivulon> is the build going to be ready tomorrow correct?
[09:29] <cjwatson> xivulon: should be
[09:30] <superm1> build of ubiquity you mean, releasing 1.5.7?
[09:32] <cjwatson> no
[09:32] <cjwatson> well, that's not what I was talking about. I assumed xivulon was asking about the alternate CD build
[09:35] <superm1> ah
[10:08] <xivulon> what is an efficient way to test? do I need to create an alternate iso every time?
[10:09] <superm1> xivulon, i think cjwatson is afk, he announced away in -devel, so you might want to mail
[10:18] <xivulon> oj
[10:18] <xivulon> ok