[01:23] <ubptgbot> Gud_kom_fra_vest was added by: Gud_kom_fra_vest
 Hi! I want to buy Nexus 5 but in my city there is only lg version, is it compatible with UT? And with nexus 5x?
 (Photo, 391x55) https://irc.ubports.com/cZbaolQk.png Oh sh..
 nexus 5x is not supporte
 [Edit] nexus 5x is not supported
 What about the Lg nexus 5?
 Yes, d820 or d821
 Thank you, that feeling when you get a phone for OS and not OS for a phone))
 I'm writing on one!
 wow
[01:58] <ubptgbot> <Vijay Murugan> I am having mi pad 1. I wanted to install Ubuntu touch in it. Can anyone please help me install Ubuntu touch in the mi pad 1 st generation. I have seen the ubports website, and there I came to know that through ubports I can't install Ubuntu touch on my pad 1. Can any one suggest me or help me.
[02:00] <ubptgbot> <Vijay Murugan> Or can any tell me how to install Ubuntu touch on any android device.
 If your device isn't on the list then you probably wouldn't like the results even if you put the UT
[02:05] <ubptgbot> <Vijay Murugan> I am OK with the results. I want to experiment with the Ubuntu touch on my mi pad 1. That's all. Can any one help me in porting android to it.
[02:06] <ubptgbot> <Vijay Murugan> I am OK with the results. I want to experiment with the Ubuntu touch on my mi pad 1. That's all. Can any one help me in porting Ubuntu touch to it.
 looks like a cool phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9uI-XdP8B8
 support ut, and android
 @Vijay Murugan [Or can any tell me how to install Ubuntu touch on any android device.], its not that simple, its takes a months of trial and error, and while many started with zero experience, there's step by step guide because every device is unique. what we have is documentatation at docs.halium.org and a support group @halium.
 @Vijay Murugan [Or can any tell me how to install Ubuntu touch on any android device.], [Edit] its not that simple, its takes a months of trial and error, and while many started with zero experience, there's no step by step guide because every device is unique. what we have is documentatation at docs.halium.org and a support group @haliu
[03:36] <ubptgbot> m.
 I wish someday UT will support essential phone
 @djsoyboi [I wish someday UT will support essential phone], Why not if u try to make a port
 @ozu_0110 [Why not if u try to make a port], coz I don't know how
 @djsoyboi [coz I don't know how], http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/
 plus atm I have to finish my visual novel, then my second book then study for microsoft power exam
 Unlock failed
 @Vijay Murugan [I am OK with the results. I want to experiment with the Ubuntu touch on my mi pa …], ## Porting: getting started ## … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/index.html … For questions join @halium or @UBports_porting
 @djsoyboi [plus atm I have to finish my visual novel, then my second book then study for mi …], That's fine if you havn't got time to do a port on your own. But you keep complaining about not more ports being existent. Well, other people do have a life on their own too. Just leave it at that and please stop complaining constantly.
 @Danfro [That's fine if you havn't got time to do a port on your own. But you keep compla …], fine enough
 Thanks. It just leaves a bad impression. We are not happy with that either but can't do much about it. And actually lots of ports ARE happening and during the last year really lots of new ports have been added to the installer. I think start last year we had maybe 7 or 8 devices there? Now what? Over 50?
 I am actually quite impressed with porting results lately.
[07:54] <ubptgbot> Eve Usa314 was added by: Eve Usa314
[07:54] <ubptgbot> <Eve Usa314> (Photo, 591x935) https://irc.ubports.com/b1QsS1wM.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/HlZyPc1d.mp4
 @Flohack could you please relief us ^^?
 Lol annoying yes
 Thanks.
 @Danfro [<reply to media>], Wouldn't recommend buying it ... 1/10
 Not available here, so no temptation at all. 😁
 [Edit] Not available in shops here, so no temptation at all. 😁
[12:15] <ubptgbot> AISUELTHCEB was added by: AISUELTHCEB
[12:57] <ubptgbot> jazahalka was added by: jazahalka
 Hi. I actually have huawei nova 3 phone (that meets all the requirements), but there is not a point for this device. I am pretty nooby user (I use Linux Mint on my laptop and I can do mostly only basic things). Should I try installing Ubuntu touch on it or I do not have any chance of making it working? Also I want to ask about Anbox, do
[13:01] <ubptgbot> es it work good on ubuntu touch? Thx.
 @jazahalka [Hi. I actually have huawei nova 3 phone (that meets all the requirements), but t …], It won't work cause huawei
 Huawei phones do not support ubuntu touch at all?
 Cause bootloader locked they can't be ported
 Ok, thanks.
 @Ra0ne [/antistorm@AntishitstormBot], Stop
 I'm Sorry🙏🙏🙏
 @amyosx [Cause bootloader locked they can't be ported], And if I somehow unlocked it, then it will maybe work?
 Then could it be made usable without deep underatanding of ubuntu and phones?
 @jazahalka [And if I somehow unlocked it, then it will maybe work?], We'd need kernel source too
 @jazahalka [Then could it be made usable without deep underatanding of ubuntu and phones?], Needs lots of technical knowledge to port
 @jazahalka [And if I somehow unlocked it, then it will maybe work?], still it will be hard to port since kirin devices are usually less worked on
 I'd buy a nexus 5 and use that
 Relatively cheap
 kk, thx everyone
 @amyosx [Relatively cheap], Yeah u can get it at as low as 20$
 And how would UT behave if you put xfce on it and make it boot with it? Do we get a full desktop even without SlimPort?
 Ubuntu Touch can only work with Lomiri (Unity)
[15:05] <ubptgbot> Bejo_wong_deso was added by: Bejo_wong_deso
 @Gud_kom_fra_vest [And how would UT behave if you put xfce on it and make it boot with it? Do we ge …], UT isn't a traditional linux desktop distro … it's designed for mobile devices … you can try to install xfce in libertine and I think it'll run but would be slow due to the lack of hardware accelration
 @Javacookies [UT isn't a traditional linux desktop distro … it's designed for mobile devices … you …], Yes, I know, I just asked, but what if)
 it won't work because unless you put a lot effort to make it work … I don't think xfce supports mir/mirclient
 didnt plasma mobile do just this when they first started, essentially made a 'distro' of ubuntu touch with the plasma mobile shell instead of unity/lomiri
 @Gud_kom_fra_vest [Yes, I know, I just asked, but what if)], You can use hybrisaports with postmarketOS to run phosh with halium, I'm pretty sure Xorg works too so xfce should be good
 Yup with xf86-video-hwcomposer you should have acceleration through hwcomposer HAL
 @PiecerEdd [didnt plasma mobile do just this when they first started, essentially made a 'di …], not sure how they did it but yeah, I think they did,same core apps were even used back then. But I guess it was easier because Plasma Mobile is Qt-based as well and UT already has backend for that
 And they gonna support UB touch,pine, nemo, sailfish applications
 @RAJVMEHTA [And they gonna support UB touch,pine, nemo, sailfish applications], That was quite a while ago. The project has changed now.
[17:55] <ubptgbot> Ex_Oblivione was added by: Ex_Oblivione
 Hi guys, can anyone tell me the current situation with UB on the pocophone and also which phone right now is the best for running the OS. And is there a roadmap I can see?
[18:52] <ubptgbot> biubbo was added by: biubbo
 @Ex_Oblivione [Hi guys, can anyone tell me the current situation with UB on the pocophone and a …], you mean f1?
 > supported phones … group description
 Yes !
 aha, thanks
 @Ex_Oblivione [Yes !], afaik it's at development stage
 Im shit outa luck
 how stable is it on a supported phone?
 could i use it for more daily phone... i dont use many apps
 ?
 still it really depends on what do you need
 we do not have WhatsApp for example
 Telegram works
 ah... need whatsapp
 whats the chances that will get whatsapp working?
 @Ex_Oblivione [whats the chances that will get whatsapp working?], 0. If WhatsApp make the app then it'll work fine unless you use the WhatsApp web app.
 Whats the name of that ecofriendly phone? I think they have a choice between ubuntu touch and android
 @tiedtoastar [Whats the name of that ecofriendly phone? I think they have a choice between ubu …], Fairphone. 2 is supported. 3 is WIP as far as I know.
 Any eta for the 3?
 I don't know because I am not doing the port. Check the forum, there might be a thread. Or maybe someone else knows more than me.
[19:56] <ubptgbot> Tolis Mak was added by: Tolis Mak
 Welcome
 @xander2m [0. If WhatsApp make the app then it'll work fine unless you use the WhatsApp web …], Yes, makes sense, I thought there might be some whatsapp API, but thinking about it, i guess not.
 looks like my phone just died. what recommendations would you guys have?
 i have a pinephone to replace it but i don't think that can be a daily driver for a while :(
 what general area
 the sony xperia ones are nice, I have the x performance
 volla phone looks promising
 EU
 volla won't be able to ship quickly i'm afraid though
 true, mine is almost here
 so x, x performance or 10 then? i can probably get a 10 new ...
 yeah, that might be the best new old stock - then you don't run the chance of it being a locked one
 people will always sell as 'unlocked' aka carrier unlocked
 but some of the ones can't have the bootloader unlocked
 does anyone know how well teh 10 port runs by chance? i'll ask on the forum as well ...
 yeah, i kind of trust sony on the bootloader unlocks but i'll certainly check :)
 i think was mostly a risk on some branded ones
 new old stock should be good to go
 i don't think they even sell those here
 I just remember a chinese telcom had some of the x performance with their logo
[20:36] <ubptgbot> CoollllllllllllllllllllllllN was added by: CoollllllllllllllllllllllllN
 Hi guys) how to install ubuntu with a graphical interface on a smartphone via terumux?
 Hi. Wrong channel, this one is about Ubuntu Touch
 [Edit] Hi. Wrong group, this one is about Ubuntu Touch, and it does not support Termux
 How to install ubuntu on a smartphone
 @NotKit [Hi. Wrong group, this one is about Ubuntu Touch, and it does not support Termux], Ubuntu touch is placed on top of the android?
 nope
 no, we replace Android (though still use some lower level services to interface with HW)
 Samsung S 10 Lite
 @CoollllllllllllllllllllllllN [Samsung S 10 Lite], there is no port of Ubuntu Touch for that device. And Termux doesn't run Ubuntu and no you can't get a graphical UI with it
[21:13] <ubptgbot> <Tolis Mak> Good evening and happy New year, i have a old smartphone xiaomi redmi 4a it is possible to run Ubuntu touch on this phone? Thanks
 @dohbee [there is no port of Ubuntu Touch for that device. And Termux doesn't run Ubuntu …], Well it can run Ubuntu (NOT TOUCH) and you can't get a graphical touch screen ui, you can vnc
 Its not the same and its a pain
 I used it for about 20 minutes then gave up
[21:25] <ubptgbot> <Tolis Mak> Thank you for your help
 Has anybody tried using UT on Xiaomi Mi 6? How is/was the experience?
[22:55] <ubptgbot> <Sabri Burak Cihan> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/qy2Uz536.png Why ? :(
 Hello everyone and Happy New Year! … A question for those who make calls on the Nexus 5: … I've noticed that if I turn the screen off during a call with the side button, the screen turns back on if I pass something near the proximity sensor. … Does this happen to you too?
[23:44] <tr4ck3ur> hey, yes there is the screen that blinking during a phone call on my side also
[23:45] <tr4ck3ur> but only during the phone call, a bit strange
 @Sabri Burak Cihan [<reply to media>], This has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch? I guess you are using Ubuntu on something? You should probably go to #ubuntu on freenode to ask
 @Sabri Burak Cihan [<reply to media>], [Edit] This has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch? I guess you are using Ubuntu on something? You should probably go to #ubuntu on freenode IRC to ask
[23:56] <ubptgbot> <Sabri Burak Cihan> @dohbee [This has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch? I guess you are using Ubuntu on someth …], Ty
 @Javacookies [UT isn't a traditional linux desktop distro … it's designed for mobile devices … you …], i honestly don't like saying its "designed" for mobile devices cause "convergence". i'd rather say its "desiged for consumers" or its "very integrated"  :p


[01:19] <Xenocide> oh majoridiot by the way i found out how to make toggles in LIRC with one button doing two commands
[01:20] <majoridiot> excellent
[01:20] <Xenocide> if you make two "config = " lines
[01:20] <Xenocide> first button press does the first one, second the next one...ect...
[01:20] <Xenocide> not useful in my situation but i felt i should share
[01:20] <majoridiot> ty
[01:20] <Xenocide> np
[01:21] <Xenocide> the thing im trying to do with samba, i can get into the directory but i can only write to the root directory of that share, something is messed with my permissions
[01:21] <Xenocide> is there an -r flag for chmod or something?
[01:22] <majoridiot> yes
[01:22] <majoridiot> recursive
[01:22] <Xenocide> how do i use that
[01:22] <majoridiot> do a chown
[01:22] <majoridiot> recursively
[01:22] <Xenocide> :-/....
[01:22] <Xenocide> lol
[01:22] <majoridiot> to own everything in the folder
[01:22] <Xenocide> how would tha tlook, not familiar with those commands
[01:22] <majoridiot> sudo chown -R user:user <target>
[01:23] <majoridiot> where user is the intendedowner
[01:23] <Xenocide> lets see if that works
[01:23] <Xenocide> haha nice
[01:23] <Xenocide> now i can't even access the s hare :)
[01:24] <majoridiot> :)
[01:25] <Xenocide> hm
[01:25] <Xenocide> there is a chmod -R too
[01:25] <majoridiot> yes
[01:26] <Xenocide> the chmod -R 777 woorked
[01:26] <Xenocide> :)
[03:07] <green> anyone home? got a question
[03:10] <green> on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Backend_Frontend
[03:11] <majoridiot> ?
[03:11] <green> the autologin says to create file /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop
[03:11] <green> but i assume that file won't be used unless you use the mythtv session...
[03:11] <green> which you need to set as default, correct?
[03:13] <green> hmm, i'm using a desktop install cd ... shoulda followed instructions for the backend/frontend/desktop
[03:13] <majoridiot> yes
[03:14] <majoridiot> sec...
[03:14] <green> argh, and that other page doesn't have the warning about the database errors
[03:14] <majoridiot> did you already do the apt-get instruction?
[03:15] <green> i changed the sources manually
[03:15] <green> already got the database errors.. anyway to fix them easily?
[03:15] <majoridiot> use synaptic package manager...
[03:15] <majoridiot> search for mythtv
[03:16] <majoridiot> manually select "mark for complete removal" for every mythtv package installed
[03:17] <majoridiot> then search for mysql
[03:17] <majoridiot> do the same thing... complete removal of all
[03:17] <majoridiot> that are installed
[03:17] <majoridiot> then apply
[03:18] <majoridiot> then...
[03:18] <majoridiot> start here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[03:18] <majoridiot> at "install mythtv"
[03:20] <green> ;)
[03:20] <green> no biggie, if it comes down to it i'll reinstall from scratch.
[03:21] <majoridiot> what tuner will you be using?
[03:25] <green> still has errors
[03:25] <green> hauppauge pvr 500
[03:25] <green> unable to connect to database
[03:32] <green> hm, that is two complete uninstall & reinstall attempts and both give me database errors at that same step (just after logging back in)
[03:33] <green> i'll quit for now and do a complete reinstall and make sure i follow the instructions word for word...
[03:33] <green> thanks for help..
[03:33] <majoridiot> k
[03:33] <green> i'll be back around as billbrasky during the week...
[03:33] <green> 'nite
[04:59] <Xenocide> yo! im in feisty
[05:24] <superm1> Xenocide, :)
[07:25] <superm1> jetsaredim, hey
[07:27] <jetsaredim> yo
[07:34] <superm1> jetsaredim, long time no hear.  how comes along ubiquity?
[07:34] <superm1> jetsaredim, any progress?
[07:37] <jetsaredim> trying to put the page layout together
[07:37] <jetsaredim> unless you want to
[07:38] <jetsaredim> you need glade-3
[07:43] <superm1> well i've been struggling with a project in school all week - my free time has been shrinking :(
[07:43] <superm1> it will have to be late tonite or tomorrow that i'll have time to dedicate right to it
[08:06] <Xenocide> superm1,  you around?
[08:06] <superm1> Xenocide, briefly
[08:06] <superm1> i need to pop in the shower and get to campus in a few min
[08:06] <Xenocide> i hear ya
[08:06] <Xenocide> well later, when you have time, you said you got the mx revolution working, do you have middle click working?
[08:06] <superm1> Xenocide, i was on campus until 4am yesterday finishing a lab, and i missed all my classes this morning now :(
[08:06] <superm1> yes
[08:07] <Xenocide> that sounds like pure fun
[08:07] <superm1> its a mx510 i have i think though
[08:07] <Xenocide> oh
[08:07] <Xenocide> well the mx revolution has a click wheel that glides and crap, it doesnt' support middle click with out some kinda special driver
[08:07] <Xenocide> i can get all the buttons working except that, ill have to play with it some more
[08:07] <superm1> but it should be the same basic principle
[08:07] <Xenocide> ts not a mod map or anything
[08:08] <superm1> oh
[08:08] <superm1> your using the evdev driver though right?
[08:08] <Xenocide> its software driven in windows middle click doesn't even work without logitech drivers, you have to disable the free scrolling, its hella stupid
[08:08] <Xenocide> yea, but this needs some driver to tell it to lock the wheel, there is a mechanical device in the mo use
[08:08] <Xenocide> switches between ratcheting and free scroll
[08:08] <superm1> thats freaking crazy
[08:08] <Xenocide> yea, they gave it to me as a replacement, i HATE it
[08:09] <superm1> do you have the box for it though?
[08:09] <superm1> when you got it replaced?
[08:09] <superm1> if so, i say you go to a BBY or circuit city and do a no receipt return
[08:09] <superm1> and get a different one
[08:09] <Xenocide> yea i do, got it over winter break
[08:09] <Xenocide> no got it from logitech as an RMA
[08:10] <Xenocide> originally had an mx700, it died, they gave me an mx1000 and it died to
[08:10] <Xenocide> they always upgrade you to the newest one, and ofcourse out of all of them, i liked the mx700 the best....go figure
[08:10] <Xenocide> this one has two scroll wheels and about<PHONE_NUMBER> buttons
[08:10] <Xenocide> hate it
[08:10] <superm1> lol
[08:11] <superm1> so with the RMA they didnt send retail packaging
[08:11] <superm1> thats a shame
[08:11] <Xenocide> yea they did
[08:11] <Xenocide> i never thought about doing that though
[08:11] <superm1> oh then no receipt return that shit
[08:11] <superm1> you'll be set
[08:11] <Xenocide> if this one happens to break.... ill do that
[08:11] <superm1> it was a "gift"
[08:11] <Xenocide> mouse pads have wear, and i don't knwo where the box is anymore
[08:11] <superm1> (they dont have to know its a gift from logitech)
[08:11] <Xenocide> hehe
[08:11] <Xenocide> yea these mice are like $98
[08:11] <Xenocide> absoultely crazy
[08:12] <superm1> but i've been really happy with my mx510 :)
[08:12] <superm1> yikes
[08:12] <Xenocide> yea those are very nice mice
[08:12] <gardengnome> <3 mx 500 :)
[08:12] <superm1> okkk i've gotta run
[08:12] <superm1> later guys!
[08:13] <Xenocide> cya
[10:15] <bmsleight> Any UK radiotimes users ?
[10:16] <bmsleight> http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/ - appear to have stopped at the end of the month. I am not getting any listing updates. The link shoes that not data is being fed since 31/March
[12:08] <majoridiot> hm.  the partitioner is broken again in feisty beta?


[14:44] <DJones> If there's sombody with decent knowledge of the latest Ubuntu requirements, couldthey have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements Minimum system for Ubuntu is shown as 700Mhz Celeron + 512Mb ram, which I think might be pushing it just a bit to be actually useful, the page hasn't been updated for 2 years


[09:02] <knome> website got new code landed, so i updated it; see the "Releases" section in the blog: http://xubuntu.org/blog/
[09:02] <knome> if somebody is feeling literary, we can drop descriptions for each release
[09:03] <knome> á la http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/news/release/14-04/
[09:19] <newform8|SM-G386> nice
[09:30] <flocculant> can anyone remember back that far :)
[09:31] <knome> use wikipedia and the release notes :P
[09:31] <flocculant> :)
[09:32] <knome> and would also be nice to mention LTS releases separately
[09:32] <knome> it doesn't have to be long...
[09:32] <flocculant> not "There was a version named after a goat" then :D
[09:32] <knome> likely not that...
[09:32] <flocculant> he he he
[09:33] <newform8|SM-G386> I love Wikipedia
[09:33] <flocculant> knome: I have some time while I procrastinate over my bp items ...
[09:33] <knome> lol, please do them first ;)
[09:33] <knome> this isn't by any means essential
[09:33] <flocculant> and it's a rainy bank holiday
[09:34] <knome> haha
[09:34] <knome> sunny here - no holiday afaik
[09:34] <knome> at least for me...
[09:34] <knome> or the wife
[09:34] <flocculant> last one till xmas here
[09:34] <knome> huh
[09:42] <knome> hey slimy
[09:42] <slickymasterWork> morning knome
[09:44] <flocculant> morning slickymasterWork
[09:44] <slickymasterWork> morning flocculant
[09:48] <knome> slickymasterWork, you just missed it, but here it is: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/08/31/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[09:49] <slickymasterWork> thanks knome, as soon as I have some time to spare
[09:50] <slickymasterWork> hell of a day over here, today
[09:50] <knome> that part was cut off from logs (so far), but as i said to flocculant, it's far from essential
[09:50] <knome> so if you happen to have work items for wily, do them first
[09:50] <knome> etc...
[09:50] <slickymasterWork> ok
[09:52] <knome> so for you (and probably pleia2, since i need your insight on this):
[09:52] <knome> "Update debian/copyright for documentation"
[09:53] <knome> basically, the copyright says "Ubuntu Documentation Team, The Xubuntu Team 2004-2009"
[09:53] <knome> at least i know this is wrong...
[09:53] <knome> the question is
[09:53] <knome> the documentation itself says
[09:53] <knome> Copyright © 2012, 2013, 2014 Canonical Ltd. and members of the Xubuntu Documentation team.
[09:54] <knome> so... legally and otherwise, should we keep mentioning the ubuntu documentation team, even if the trace to using their material starts to be preety slim?
[09:54] <knome> i mean, the old documentation was partly adapted/modified from that
[09:54] <knome> and the new documentation is partly adapted/modified from the old documentation
[09:55] <knome> also, should canonical really even be in the copyright?
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> I think that we've talked about this knome, and we decide that we should go solely with the Xubuntu Documentation Team
[09:55] <knome> sure, it owns the trademarks etc., but i don't think they own copyright to the documentation itself really (at least any more, with all the modifying...()
[09:56] <knome> and bah, the credits and license page says the document is maintained by the Ubuntu documentation team
[09:56] <knome> hmm wait
[09:56] <knome> i'm looking at an old copy @ docs.xubuntu.org
[09:56] <slickymasterWork> we changed that knome, hadn't we?
[09:57] <knome> yes, looks like we did
[09:57] <knome> ok, so the question remains
[09:57] <knome> in debian/copyright, should the copyrright be "2012-2015 The Xubuntu documentation team" to match the documentation?
[09:58] <slickymasterWork> IMO, yes
[09:58] <slickymasterWork> it won't make much sense otherwise
[09:58] <slickymasterWork> they should match
[09:58] <knome> :)
[09:58] <knome> also, what about this:
[09:58] <knome> The documents in this package are based on the ones in Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[09:58] <knome> They were debianized by Jani Monoses<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on Thu, 1 Dec 2005
[09:59] <knome> at least the first line is a bit meh
[09:59] <slickymasterWork> that was ten years ago, and the -docs have changed quite a lot since then
[09:59] <knome> yep...
[09:59] <knome> so drop the first line? what about the other one? i think that still stands true
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> I agree,
[10:00] <knome> actually, the credits say
[10:00] <knome> This documentation is maintained by the Xubuntu documentation team and is partly adapted from the Ubuntu documentation.
[10:00] <knome> so maybe we should use that wording to keep in lin
[10:00] <knome> +e
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> which reflects perfectly the reality
[10:01] <knome> This documentation is partly adapted from the Ubuntu documentation
[10:01] <knome> The documentation was debianized by Jani Monoses<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:01] <knome> what about that?
[10:01] <knome> one more question
[10:01] <knome> if we say we're partly adapted, is it still ok to claim all ownership/copyright ?
[10:01] <knome> (also changed upstream authors to just the xubuntu documentation team, because, well...
[10:02] <slickymasterWork> from a non legal point of view, yes
[10:02] <knome> so shold we keep the old copyright lines
[10:02] <knome> then just append with the new?
[10:03] <slickymasterWork> I'm not sure if we'll be trespassing some sort of technical legal boundaries
[10:03] <slickymasterWork> maybe pleia2 could shed some light on that aspect, before we commit ant changes on that
[10:03] <knome> ;)
[10:04] <knome> crap, need to do something right now
[10:04] <knome> bbiab
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> hf
[10:05] <knome> ergghh :P
[10:05] <knome> not my definition of fun this, but...
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> lol
[10:16] <bluesabre> always one more thing
[10:16] <flocculant> yea I know
[10:17] <bluesabre> :)
[10:18] <flocculant> if they actually get the image smoketesting working again that'll be really helpful
[10:19] <flocculant> can actually get people to check specific things out
[10:19] <flocculant> not that checking specific package things seems to get much traction :p
[10:20] <flocculant> anyway - morning bluesabre :)
[10:20] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:20] <bluesabre> morning flocculant
[10:20] <slickymasterWork> morinig bluesabre
[10:20] <bluesabre> heya slickymasterWork
[10:20] <slickymasterWork> * morning even
[10:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: I think we'll need to think carefully about package testing/tracker next cycle
[10:21] <bluesabre> yes
[10:25] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'm open for any proposals for that... just let me know if there is anything I can do to help facilitate
[10:27] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: what templates do we want to ship with xfpanel-switch? I can work on collection those this week and package them up
[10:27] <bluesabre> *collecting
[10:28] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep will do, once we're done with this cycle I think the best thing would be to actually spend some time talking it over
[10:28] <bluesabre> right
[10:29] <bluesabre> knome: if the wallpaper is ready, we could have that for a nice september 1st upload if you want
[10:29] <knome> bluesabre, i'll prepare it for you today if i just have the time
[10:30] <bluesabre> knome: cool, no hurry ofc
[11:37] <bluesabre> ochosi, flocculant: uploaded a new xfce4-panel to xubuntu-staging.  If that works correctly, that's the patched version I'll upload to wily
[11:37] <bluesabre> it will still be building for a little bit ;)
[11:37] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:38] <flocculant> okey doke - shall watch for it - cya later, have fun
[11:41] <flocculant> knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntureleases
[11:44] <bluesabre> flocculant: oh yeah, the only change is that it's a nicer patch for the xfpanel-switch integration, everything should continue to work the same
[11:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok
[12:00] <knome> bluesabre, ping!
[12:04] <knome> bluesabre, please review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/wily/revision/421
[12:07] <knome> cool, we're about to go below the fold in the burndown soon :D
[13:12] <pleia2> the debianized line should remain, since putting all the right bits in the right place to create the debian package for it don't change a ton over time, the original author should still be credited for the work they did on it
[13:13] <knome> pleia2, it is in there
[13:13] <pleia2> what question did you have for me? :)
[13:13] <knome> well, check the link i pasted for bluesabre to see the new file
[13:13] <pleia2> copyright statements typically are appending, unless you really think the old ones are wrong
[13:13] <knome> basically "is this ok"
[13:13] <pleia2> k
[13:14] <pleia2> worstdiff
[13:14] <knome> mm
[13:14] <knome> you can also check the new file as is
[13:14] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/wily/view/head:/debian/copyright
[13:17] <pleia2> oh, we're relicensing too? :\
[13:17] <pleia2> or the text of the same version license changed..
[13:18] <pleia2> ah, improved formatting I guess
[13:18] <pleia2> I think that's ok
[13:21] <pleia2> knome: before I leave for the day, I have static and docs.x.o to update, yeah?
[13:22] <pleia2> I may have some time this eveing, but no promises
[13:25] <knome> yes, formatting according to the new (standard) copyright format
[13:25] <knome> i should push the new static revision
[13:25] <knome> we have new stuff at x.org, so some there can go
[13:26] <knome> but yeah, both those to update
[13:26] <knome> ...and the static branch is updated
[13:26] <pleia2> :)
[13:26] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/release/14-04/
[13:27] <pleia2> flocculant: put a think on G+/FB re: exploratory testing https://plus.google.com/b/112064450121097287690/+xubuntu/posts/U2QUt83Axkv
[13:27] <pleia2> couldn't think of something short enough for twitter :D
[13:28] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks and yea - not sure I would be able to either :D
[13:31] <knome> tweeted
[13:31] <knome> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/638343282301489152
[13:31] <flocculant> lol - thanks :)
[13:32] <knome> np
[13:32] <pleia2> clever knome
[13:34]  * knome bows
[13:34] <pleia2> ok, heading out for a while
[13:34] <knome> hf
[13:34] <pleia2> thanks
[13:34] <knome> flocculant, doing some work on the releas pad
[13:34] <knome> +e
[13:35] <flocculant> just made a start for us
[13:35] <knome> yep
[14:03] <flocculant> if this effort to restart image smoketests fails - might be useful to set up a simple testcase for the tracker, so people can at least report if they just had time to boot the image to desktop and/or start install
[14:04] <knome> mhm
[14:04] <knome> sounds fair enough
[14:05] <flocculant> at least the current live test doesn't get reports that didn't happen that way
[14:05] <flocculant> anyway - bbiab
[14:05] <knome> yep
[14:05] <knome> hf
[17:30] <knome> good evening
[17:31] <flocculant> and good evening to you
[17:31] <knome> what's up?
[17:32] <flocculant> not much - making the most of last day of a week off :)
[17:32] <knome> well, do well
[17:38] <flocculant> I'm trying :)
[17:49] <slickymasterWork> knome, flocculant, ping
[17:50] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: pong
[17:50] <knome> dong
[17:50] <slickymasterWork> great you're here
[17:50] <slickymasterWork> so, something came up here at work at the last hour and I'll have to be travelling tomorrow
[17:50] <knome> aha
[17:51] <knome> that isn't uncommon i see :P
[17:51] <slickymasterWork> I won't be able to chair the meeting tomorrow
[17:51] <slickymasterWork> well, we had a chnage in the governance board last month
[17:51] <knome> heh
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> and apparently the new board is convinced that people don't have to be asked if they're able to do stuff
[17:52] <knome> ...
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> they just decide for you withou asking
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> + t
[17:52] <flocculant> nice ...
[17:52] <knome> well, they also pay you...
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> so, do you think it's better to postponed the meeting to Wednesday or will someone will chair it tomorrow instaed of me?
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> they don't knome
[17:53] <flocculant> oic
[17:53] <flocculant> move it slickymasterWork
[17:53] <knome> slickymasterWork, wait, are you working for free? :P
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> because it's during working hours
[17:54] <flocculant> not that it affects me as it's during working hours
[17:54] <knome> if you move it, announce it asap
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> no, but as I'm not able to drive (still), it will be someone from work that will have to drive to Braga
[17:54] <knome> hahah...
[17:55] <slickymasterWork> you mean on the m/l flocculant?
[17:55] <flocculant> well if you've not got time to reschedule - I would at least cancel tomorrow
[17:55] <knome> yep
[17:56] <knome> if people show up, they can have an impromptu meeting
[17:56] <flocculant> yea
[17:56] <knome> i might be around and available as well
[17:56] <flocculant> as normal for me when working - not around
[17:57] <slickymasterWork> I'll mail the m/l rescheduling yo Wednesday
[18:11] <slickymasterWork> ok, reschedule it and mail sent
[18:11] <slickymasterWork> updating the wiki page
[18:12] <knome> don't remember to update the gcal
[18:13] <slickymasterWork> doing that now, all done with the wiki
[18:14] <slickymasterWork> gcal also done
[21:52] <bluesabre> knome: that looks fine to me... maybe convert tabs to spaces and line up copyright years :)
[21:54] <knome> i noticed that myself aswell
[21:55] <knome> and thanks, just pushed that last tweak
[22:07] <azzenovic> hi I tried xubuntu core for a couple of days and I noticed it's tailored more to advanced users . it"s true I had fun customizing it and adding stuff and I will not recommend it for total newbies with slow internet connection .. any thoughts guys ?
[22:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'd go with some xubuntu releases that stand out and then DEs. e.g. gnome2 and windows could be nice to have. maybe elementary too. osx and gnome3 would need special plugins that we dont ship by default, so i'd leave those out
[22:31] <ochosi> i'll try to test, but this week will be rather hard to find FOSS time...
[22:32] <ochosi> anyway, will try to be back on the WE
[22:32] <ochosi> hf eceryone and sorry for not being able to.make the meeting
[22:33] <knome> ochosi, the meeting is on wed
[22:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, will try to get those up tonight sometime
[22:39]  * bluesabre is sleepy
[22:39]  * knome dances the fish slapping dance to wake bluesabre up
[22:40] <bluesabre> :D
[22:40] <bluesabre> going to get dinner, bbiab
[22:40] <knome> bon appetit
[23:30] <bluesabre> yum
[23:31] <knome> :)