[00:08] <alex_mayorga> Hi! Just got bug 812602
[00:08] <ubot4> alex_mayorga: Bug 812602 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/812602 is private
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> anything else I can provide?
[04:22] <ohsix> where can i get eyes on this? i had no luck undoing the rats nest https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/802276
[04:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 802276 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "brightness adjust 3 steps from hard (Fn) keys (affects: 1) (heat: 158)" [Undecided,New]
[15:26] <stef31> bonjour
[15:26] <stef31> is it an english room ?
[15:27] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:28] <stef31> do you know the french room for bug on ubuntu ?
[15:29] <pedro_> ubuntu-fr ?
[15:29] <stef31> it's for specialy bug on ubuntu too ?
[15:30] <davmor2> stef31: possibly not but they can certainly help you with bugs
[15:31] <stef31> ok , i'll test to explain my bug . if i understand , i'll go to ubuntu-fr
[15:32] <stef31> my graphic card is nvidia 6200, and drivers actived but not used ...
[15:34] <stef31> and often , when i switch on my computer , resolution is really bad : 640 x 480 max
[15:34] <stef31> i had delete and install an other time drivers
[15:35] <stef31> but , bug always is here
[16:12] <pedro_> Folks if you're part of the ubuntu-bugcontrol, could you please give us input on the application of the canonical-server team ?
[16:14] <hggdh> mine is there already
[16:15] <charlie-tca> I did too, didn't I?
[16:16] <hggdh> yes sir, you did :-)
[16:16] <hggdh> actually, we already have the votes, but I would really love to have more community input
[16:16] <pedro_> indeed
[16:17]  * charlie-tca thinks it is "apathy"
[20:32] <SWAT> where should I preferbly file a bugreport/fix about a bluez issue (initscript) in Ubuntu (Debian unstable has a newer/fixed version)?
[20:33] <micahg> SWAT: what's your goal?
[20:33] <SWAT> micahg: getting proper a fix for Natty
[20:34] <micahg> SWAT: you'll want to file a bug against bluez then describing the issue w/a test case, we'll need a patch for natty, oneiric would have to get the fix first though
[20:37] <SWAT> micahg: oneiric will probably have it already, since it will use updated packages from upstream. I'm running Debian unstable on another machine
[20:37] <micahg> SWAT: ah, ok, is the fix upstream?
[20:38] <SWAT> in bluez-4.94 it is ;-)
[20:38] <micahg> !sru | SWAT
[20:38] <ubot4> SWAT: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[20:39] <SWAT> basically bluetooth does not work due to an incorrect initscript, and the fix is really simple
[20:39] <dtchen> SWAT: if you can file the bug and point out the patch now, I can do the SRU legwork and upload it to natty-proposed
[20:39] <micahg> so, oneiric has 4.94, so we're good on that front, go ahead and file a bug w/a test case and a link to the upstream commit that fixes it if you have it
[20:40] <seb128> it's not likely that bluetooth doesn't work and that didn't get noticed
[20:40] <seb128> it's rather it's buggy in some cases right?
[20:42] <SWAT> seb128: I was also suprised, but I tested with the LXDE natty install. Actually my dad noticed the bug, since bluetooth didn't work anymore after the upgrade.
[20:42] <SWAT> don't have other systems with natty _and_ bluetooth
[20:42] <seb128> well, I use bluetooth every week and it works fine on natty and oneiric
[20:42] <SWAT> dtchen: reading now
[20:42] <seb128> but I don't use LXDE
[20:43] <seb128> the init script is hacked in ubuntu as well btw so it's likely that "new versions" will not fix it for you
[20:43] <seb128> i.e I don't think we changed the init script between natty and oneiric
[20:50] <SWAT> seb128: hmmm, okay. In my case (upgraded to natty and gnome to lxde) the default init script didn't work, but a simple 'start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/bluetoothd.pid --exec $DAEMON' worked fine.
[20:50] <seb128> SWAT, did you find an error in the init script?
[20:53] <SWAT> seb128: yes, the 'start' command did not work, although it indicated it did.
[20:54] <SWAT> I fixed it for him, so basically I just wanted to fix/report for others. I don't think people should nag about FLOSS software, if they don't contribute (or try to)
[20:54] <seb128> SWAT, best to open a bug describing your issue and what you did, I'm not sure what is wrong right now but I know bluetooth work under GNOME or unity for others
[20:56] <SWAT> seb128: alright, thanks for the info. Since this is a downstream issue, where should I preferbly post it?
[20:58] <seb128> SWAT, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+filebug
[20:58] <SWAT> dtchen: will post a regular bug report first, but thanks for the headsup
[20:58] <SWAT> seb128: thanks!
[20:58] <seb128> thank you!
[21:17] <greg-g> ok, where is the bug report for Unity where it complains about windows going all the ef over the place when you go from dual monitor to single? :)
[22:02] <dtchen> 4 more reviewed and uploaded for Patch Pilot.
[23:08] <RenatoSilva> ubuntu-bug audio after asking some questions is running indefinitely, what do I do?
[23:13] <RenatoSilva> I ran it because of this: http://pastie.org/2239582. The onboard audio is selected as default output. However, the front audio (headphone) only starts working after I "stimulate" it by plugging in some connector in the onboard hear jack. Doesn't happen in Windows, there the problem is different.
[23:30] <RenatoSilva> if someone can help, /memo me please


[01:54] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1210909] ksysguard leaves weird empty vertical line in cpu/mem/net graphs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1210909 (by Søren Holm)
[04:31] <ScottK> xnox: OK.  qbittorrent is broken.
[07:19] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion plasma-mediacenter 1.0.95
[07:19] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1210935
[07:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel if you are awake review + upload https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/plasma-mediacenter_1.0.95-0ubuntu1.dsc
[07:34]  * shadeslayer can look at it tomorrow
[07:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, sure, it's not a hurry:)
[11:15] <d_ed> hey, can someone do me a favour.
[11:15] <d_ed> can someone run ldd /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/ktp-call-ui  | pastebinit on stock kubuntu
[11:16] <d_ed> and send me the output of course :)
[11:30] <yofel> d_ed: http://pastebin.com/Xx38v59x on kubuntu 13.10 and ktp-call-ui 0.6.3-0ubuntu1
[11:35] <d_ed> perfect
[11:36] <d_ed> ooh and this is right. It's just my local setup that's screwed
[11:36] <d_ed> thanks
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Hey guys.
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Oh no, my Developer application is tmr, real nervous...
[14:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, do you have time to review plasma-mediacenter 1.0.95 package?
[14:10] <yofel> hm, can do
[14:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/plasma-mediacenter_1.0.95-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:11] <yofel> already got it from the backlog
[14:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, great:)
[14:12] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh, my dev application is tmr (HORROR HORROR HORROR, as in the Macbeth line)
[14:13] <smartboyhw> In case if you are wondering why did I update the copyright file, it's because I bugged upstream about the dual-headers and they fixed it
[14:13] <yofel> ah nice
[14:14] <yofel> meh, spend some time trying to get icecc working. After taking the package from sid it at least runs, but only builds locally
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[14:17] <smartboyhw> I'm trying to port my device (GALAXY Pocket) to CM
[14:17] <smartboyhw> But I can't seem to get mtp working
[14:19]  * yofel ponders whether what upstream did is legal.
[14:19] <yofel> I'm no relicensing expert...
[14:20] <yofel> it's their issue anyway
[14:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah
[14:22] <yofel> uploaded
[14:23] <smartboyhw> yofel, \o/
[14:48] <Quintasan> \o
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Hello Quintasan
[14:51] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm going to delete some buffers in Quassel now so things might go strange in the load I gues
[14:51] <Quintasan> :P
[14:51] <yofel> please delete them one at a time
[15:24] <smartboyhw> yofel, \o/ plasma-mediacenter is now in raring-release;)
[15:51] <Quintasan> well
[15:51] <Quintasan> crap
[15:51] <Quintasan> yofel: Sorry
[15:51] <yofel> Quintasan: what happened? I was fine
[15:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Oh lol, I'm getting disconnected each time I delete one.
[15:54] <Quintasan> If you're not getting hit by it then I'll keep it up
[15:55] <yofel> weird, I thought it would lock the whole DB table, seems it doesn't
[16:01] <Quintasan> I mass spammed delete requests and thought it killed the server
[16:12] <Quintasan> yofel: Well, anyways, my db should be considerably smaller
[16:19] <markey> where are the monochromatic icons from the system tray located?
[16:21] <markey> nvm
[16:23] <markey> or actually... do mind ;)
[16:24] <Quintasan> markey: Uh, they should be in /usr/share/icons I believe
[16:24] <markey> hmm
[16:25] <markey> I'm confused, can't find the monochrome amarok icon
[16:25] <markey> only the blue one that we bundle
[16:31] <yofel> markey: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons/amarok.svgz
[16:31] <yofel> might be what you're looking for
[16:31] <yofel> (from kde-runtime)
[16:31] <yofel> (-data)
[16:31] <markey> ah
[16:32] <markey> thanks
[17:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you know where the various debhelper variables are documented?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> a quick google didn't find anything
[17:09] <yofel> no, not really
[17:10] <shadeslayer> okay, any ideas what the top level source folder is refered to as?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> this source has a whole bunch of shell scripts and desktop files and no CMakeLists.txt file
[17:12] <shadeslayer> hm, actually, I think it'll be easier to write a cmake file


[00:02] <Jordan_U> knome: Clearly you just don't understand art.
[00:04] <knome> Jordan_U, well clearly. why didn't any of my clients tell the art they paid for is crap? good lord these clients today, paying for something they don't like.
[00:04] <knome> :)
[00:08] <Jordan_U> knome: That's why you don't understand, it's all about money for you. I think you'll benefit from experiencing true art like this: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5047/5367323485_c459b4d6eb.jpg that artist was clearly not motivated by greed (though the piece sold for $1.7 Million USD).
[00:09] <knome> well that i understand more than the other mentioned piece
[00:10] <knome> is that JPG packing or part of the piece?
[00:10] <knome> :P
[00:10] <Jordan_U> knome: That is the piece, in its entire glory.
[00:11] <IdleOne> that sold for 1.7 million?
[00:11] <IdleOne> I ned to go buy some paint
[00:11] <IdleOne> need
[05:13] <IdleOne> done
[15:07] <DJones> Oh joy GNAA attacks in #f again
[18:49] <genii> popey k1l   Just a heads up on Dalvikin in -touch, being fairly abusive and lots of language on ogra. I don't have ops there
[18:51] <popey> thanks
[18:52] <genii> np
[19:02]  * genii makes more coffee
[19:03] <DJones> Managed to get a connection just in time for coffee then
[19:03]  * genii slides DJones a fresh mug
[19:04] <DJones> Better give freenode staffers a jug of hot java lava, they probably need it by now
[19:05] <genii> DJones: Yeah I was watching them being tortured earlier when the system was just getting back up
[19:06] <genii> popey: Dalvikin was also going on a bit earlier in #android ... seems to have some no-name Chinese tablet that he bricked and now frustrated and angry and venting
[19:07] <popey> ahh, ok
[19:07] <popey> ogra has more patience than I
[19:09] <genii> We need more ogra types :)
[19:09] <popey> heh
[19:09] <DJones> I read that as we need more ogre types
[19:10] <popey> that too
[19:10] <genii> With big sticks to beat back the trolls
[19:10] <DJones> Definatly
[20:03]  * genii procrastinates a bit longer about going in to work
[23:26] <Adran> So.. Yeah.
[23:26] <IdleOne> sup dude?


[00:27] <fta> [reed], would it be possible to have revids somewhere in http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushlog ?
[00:27] <fta> in addition to those ugly changesets
[00:41] <fta> asac, 1st round, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[00:42] <fta> asac, i just started my improved bot with just xul/ff 3.2, daily for now
[00:43] <fta> this is for hardy->jaunty
[02:17] <[reed]> fta: does http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml have what you need?
[02:17] <[reed]> oh, that's not a feed
[02:18] <fta> i don't really need a feed
[02:19] <fta> i need a way to get the revid of the tip with the date
[02:19] <fta> preferably in a unique timezone, unlike what is available today
[02:19] <fta> the xml feed is fine for the date but lack the rev id
[02:20] <[reed]> file a bug under mozilla.org :: Hg Customizations
[07:15] <wikz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449691
[08:04] <asac> fta: yeah. when i wanted to commit it the tree was frozen
[08:09] <asac> fta: so how much mem do we need ffor the daily ppa?
[08:19] <mpt> rheet
[08:31] <fta> hi
[08:32] <fta> asac, depends, what for? the ppa size, or archives?
[08:32] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[08:32] <asac> fta: 20:22 < toddw> asac: for the Python, Komodo requires a shared Python build (which should  be okay as system Python)
[08:33] <asac> 20:23 < toddw> asac: then the build scripts "build.py" would need to be tweaked to  override the siloedPython setup
[08:33] <fta> just xul + ff = 1G already
[08:33] <asac> i guess that doesnt really help though
[08:33] <asac> fta: yeah. so what size should we ask for to get started?
[08:33] <asac> 20?
[08:35] <fta> depends of what we want to put in there
[08:37] <asac> 50?
[08:40] <fta> lol, 20 is enough, as there's only two versions of each binary at any given time (and only 1 once the superseded ones are removed)
[08:42] <asac> fta: really? ... ok. thought we would at least have  abit of history
[08:42] <fta> we want to but that's not how the ppa quota is working, afaik
[08:43] <fta> archives in librarian is a different thing
[08:43] <fta> this is 30 days max of superseded binaries
[08:43] <fta> disregarding the size
[08:44] <fta> if we want more, we need to backup those ourselves, or request an exception
[08:46] <asac> yeah
[08:47] <asac> so you say the superseeded bits are not in the quota
[08:47] <asac> ?
[08:47] <fta> i think so
[08:48] <fta> but maybe i'm wrong
[08:48] <asac> ok. i will tell mrevell that we want 20
[09:09] <fta> Bug 316773 :(
[09:20] <asac> what bug is that=?
[09:20] <asac> i mean ... how did you get it?
[09:20] <fta> i filed it
[09:20] <asac> fta: i think we should also do comm-central nighlies
[09:20] <asac> fta: why did you mark it private?
[09:21] <fta> security
[09:21] <fta> it was about branch whiteboards editable by anyone
[09:21] <fta> it's Won't Fix now
[09:21] <asac> thats not security ;) ... really
[09:21] <asac> open it up
[09:21] <asac> at least its not severe enough to hide it ;)
[09:22] <fta> bug 316773
[09:22] <fta> still security but visible now
[09:23] <asac> yeah
[09:23] <asac> thx
[09:24] <asac> hmm ... i think both side have valid arguments
[09:24] <asac> imo everybody should be able to add stuff to whiteboard
[09:24] <asac> but not overwrite old things
[09:26] <asac> fta: i think we want dailies for tbird 3 and ffox 3.1 too
[09:26] <asac> that should be enough i guess
[09:26] <asac> otoh ... having 3.0 too would be nice
[09:29] <fta> if i'm upstream, i don't want anyone not in the team touching to the whiteboards
[09:33] <fta> for the dailies, yes, sure, i just want to be sure my bot won't do nasty things
[09:33] <asac> fta: cool
[09:33] <asac> fta: ok commented on bug
[09:34] <asac> fta: imo if they dont reconsider wont fix we should open a bug that allows branch owners to disable whiteboard
[09:49] <fta> asac, at what time do we want the bot to run? midnight? noon?
[09:49] <fta> 4am?
[09:53] <asac> fta: yeah 4am is a good time i think ;) ... so we have an update every morning ;)
[09:53] <asac> for breakfast
[09:54] <fta> remember i don't test build, it also means FTBFS for breakfast
[10:06] <mconnor> mpt: so, if you're not at FOSDEM, will you be back in London next week?
[10:06] <mconnor> we could discuss this in front of a whiteboard, or over pints, or both :)
[10:10] <mpt> Hi mconnor, I don't think I'll be going to Fosdem, but yes I will be in London next week
[10:10] <mpt> Would be good to meet you and discuss this more
[10:12] <mconnor> mpt: where is Canonical, anyway?  I have an appt in Soho Monday morning, and theoretically flying home Wednesday, but that's all up in the air
[10:12] <mpt> mconnor, Millbank Tower, just south of Westminster
[10:14] <mconnor> hmm
[10:14] <mconnor> I just realized I have no idea how far apart those are!
[10:15] <mpt> How far apart they are depends on whether it's snowing ;-)
[10:15] <mconnor> haha
[10:16] <mconnor> I'm Canadian, I'm used to snow
[10:16] <mconnor> also, isn't that the point of, y'know, a subway system?
[10:16] <mpt> No, it isn't <http://severe-delays.livejournal.com/67893.html>
[10:17] <mpt> (summary: if subway drivers can't get to the station, there's no-one to drive the trains)
[10:17] <mconnor> haha
[10:17] <mconnor> rock
[10:18] <mpt> With buses running, though, Soho Square to Millbank Tower takes about 40 minutes
[10:18] <mconnor> hmm, that's entirely doable
[10:20] <mconnor> what about to LHR from there?
[10:20] <mconnor> I was kinda thinking I'd take the Monday night flight home instead, if I can make that workable and still get stuff done :)
[10:23] <mpt> Depends on your budget. 1h20m to Terminal 1/2/3 if you're ok with shelling out £16.50 for the Heathrow Express. 1h30m with £6.90 for the Heathrow Connect.
[10:24] <mpt> (Either way, add about 5 minutes for Terminal 4 or 5.)
[10:25] <mconnor> ten pounds to save ten minutes seems excessive, wow
[10:25] <mconnor> I guess location matters
[10:26] <mconnor> mpt: dare I ask what an airport car costs?
[10:27] <mconnor> since driving is apparently 34 minutes with traffic
[10:27] <mpt> That I don't know, sorry, your googling would be as good as mine
[10:28] <mconnor> hmm
[10:28] <mconnor> 37 pounds
[10:29] <mconnor> that seems reasonable-ish to save an hour, given what I'm spending already to be in London...
[10:30] <mconnor> or I can just fly home Tuesday and spend Monday night in a nice pub :)
[11:14] <asac> good to see that you two are going to discuss this. Thanks!
[12:19] <gnomefreak> :(
[13:08] <gnomefreak> anyone have a clue as to where i can change where the quoted text is in TB. I want my message to be above quoted text but cant seem to find the setting
[14:44] <gnomefreak> asac: fta anyway to generate upstream tarball using the version in debian/changelog?
[14:45] <asac> gnomefreak: just use the date term there
[14:45] <asac> and use DEBIAN_DATE=xxxxxxxxtyyyyyy
[14:45] <fta> depends if it comes from a tag or not
[14:46] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/616311 using from what #bzr told me to try
[14:47] <gnomefreak> seamonkey-2.0: remote site does not even have current version  << bothers me the most from the error
[14:52] <fta> debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_DATE=20090201r1815
[14:53] <gnomefreak> thanks trying now
[15:01] <gnomefreak> i thought DD used =20090301txxxx
[15:01] <gnomefreak> but r is working fine it looks
[15:01] <fta> it does, but from cvs only, for all other vcs that has a concept of revision id, it's 'r' (revision) instead of 't' (time)
[15:02] <fta> -from+for
[15:02] <fta> have
[15:05] <gnomefreak> ah thanks i saved it in my file for commands and friends
[15:35] <asac> fta: may i upload latest 3.1.head?
[15:36] <asac> or do you want to do that?
[15:36] <fta> I can do it but it's a snapshot
[15:36] <asac> fta: just do  ... i mean the b3 will be out soon
[15:36] <asac> and we can bump again then
[15:36] <fta> ok
[15:36] <asac> its just that i need unversioned .pc files so seb can esily test ephy
[15:36] <asac> thanks
[15:38] <saivann> asac : ping
[15:38] <asac> saivann: png
[15:39] <saivann> asac : I'm about to have lightning-extension-locales and sunbird-locales ready for jaunty (in around 1 hour). I'll subscribe you to bug 324635 so you can review the packages.
[15:39] <asac> saivann: ok thanks. also add info what you did for testing
[15:40] <asac> fta: oh ... is .head already psat b3?
[15:40] <saivann> asac : I will do, thanks :)
[15:40] <asac> or still b3 pre?
[15:40]  * asac wonders whether they did a mini branch on 1.9.1 branch for b3
[15:40] <fta> i don't think so
[15:40] <asac> ok
[15:40] <asac> then all fine
[15:40] <asac> fta: just push the stuff  ... and tell me when you hvae closed -devscripts
[15:42] <fta> will do
[15:42] <fta> i'm sick of fighting with gvfs: gnome bug 570659
[15:50] <asac> hmm
[16:15] <asac> @time
[16:36] <fta> asac, can we push m-d now? i mean, with the freeze going on
[16:38] <saivann> asac : the locales are ready for your review : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sunbird-locales/+bug/324635
[16:38] <asac> fta: oh ... good point ;)
[16:38] <asac> fta: its not on CD though
[16:38] <asac> fta: if its closed i will push it together with sec update to jaunty
[16:38] <asac> either tonight or tomorr morning
[16:41] <fta> asac, ok, what do you need, just the branch or a diff.gz/dsc
[16:47] <asac> fta: ok its open
[16:47] <asac> fta: i just need moz-devscript branch with closed changelog on top
[16:48] <fta> Pushed up to revision 195.
[16:49] <asac> ok updating from lp:mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts
[16:49] <fta> ~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts/
[16:49] <fta> yep
[16:50] <fta> oh, in xul 1.9.1, i have -testsuite* now.. it means 2 NEW bin
[16:52] <fta> asac, too bad the testsuite package is not fully operational
[16:52] <asac> fta: what is Carp?
[16:52] <fta> in perl?
[16:52] <asac> fta: thats not a problem
[16:53] <asac> fta: just push now
[16:53] <asac> i have all the folks around here to push that through
[16:53] <asac> fta: yes
[16:53] <asac> fta: maybe check that we really have removed the versions from the .pc files on 1.9.1
[16:54] <fta> Carp is a module providing carp/cluck/croak/confess, ~ equiv of warn/die for classes/objects
[16:54] <asac> hmm
[16:54] <asac> ok
[16:54] <asac> not sure what that is  though ;)
[16:54] <asac> sounds cryptic ;)
[16:55] <fta> it reports errors from perspective of the caller
[16:55] <fta> and even provides a stack trace
[16:56] <fta> man Carp (if you have perl-doc installed)
[16:56] <asac> ok ;)
[16:56] <asac> i think the info you gave is enough ;)
[16:58] <asac> fta: done
[16:58] <fta> with warn and die, you see the file/lineno of that particular line, you sometimes want to expose the caller instead, or a full stack
[16:58] <fta> thanks
[17:00] <asac> fta: two weeks until feature freeze
[17:00] <asac> 10 days even
[17:00] <asac> hmm ... two weeks ;)
[17:00] <asac> :-P
[17:01] <asac> ok trying uxa now
[17:01] <asac> for intel cards
[17:01] <asac> (new accellmethod)
[17:07] <fta> asac, 1.9.1~b3~hg20090117r22878 not the freshest but it will do
[17:10] <fta> pushing the huge xul...
[17:11] <fta> i should update prism too. it's damn old :(
[20:54] <fta> asac, xul 1.9.1 is still b3pre upstream
[20:58] <asac> fta: fine
[20:58] <asac> i think its safe to deliver that to jaunty then ;)
[21:00] <fta> i pushed the one that was in my ppa
[21:01] <asac> good
[21:01] <asac> fta: did you also push ffox or just xul?
[21:02] <fta> both
[21:02] <fta> otherwise, gre would have failed
[21:02] <fta> b2 vs b3pre
[21:02] <asac> yeah
[21:02] <asac> ok
[21:08] <fta> it's nice to push those tarballs in 1sec :)
[21:08] <asac> 100Mbit?
[21:09] <fta> yes
[21:10] <fta> Estimated archive size: 777.9 MiB
[21:10] <fta> strange, it was 990M this morning
[21:10] <fta> and nothing should have been removed
[21:11] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa  step 2, ff3.1
[21:21] <asac> fta: thats great
[21:22] <asac> so ... tbird 3?
[21:22] <asac> not sure if we should also do 1.9/3.0 xul/ffox
[21:22] <fta> not today
[21:30] <asac> heh
[21:30] <asac> no need to
[21:32] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/bug-lp-ppa.png
[21:33] <asac> fta: yeah. rendering issueß
[21:33] <asac> i dont see it here
[21:34] <asac> fta: did we drop symbolic-functsions yet?
[21:34] <asac> from 3.1?
[21:35] <fta> i don't remember, my day was looooong and i'm falling asleep
[21:36] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/114188/
[21:37] <fta> that's how the conf of my (~new) bot looks like
[21:37] <asac> fta: hmm ... i dont have a release on the .head branch yet
[21:37] <asac> xul 1.9.1
[21:38] <fta> eh?
[21:38] <asac> its still unreleased
[21:38] <asac> Tree is up to date at revision 416.
[21:38] <fta> oops, pushed; i thought i did it
[21:38] <fta> done
[21:38] <fta> 417
[21:39] <asac> thy
[21:39] <fta> Using saved push location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:39] <fta> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  Try using "merge" and then "push".
[21:39] <fta> ??
[21:40] <fta> oh damn, my fault
[21:41] <fta> don't pull 3.1 just yet
[21:46] <asac> fta: you bzr bind ;)
[21:46] <asac> err use i ment
[21:46] <asac> not you
[21:49] <fta> ok, #393
[21:49] <fta> i didn't overwrite
[21:49] <fta> we'll see if my bot will survive to this
[21:51] <asac> so you merged?
[21:52] <fta> yes
[21:53] <fta> i worked in the bot, i should not do that
[21:54] <fta> the problem of not bumping *.head daily is that xul and ff will now diverge regarding their versions, when we have something to fix in one but not in the other
[21:55] <fta> btw, i have a bunch of *.daily* branches now, i will push them in the ~umd
[21:55] <asac> fta: what purpose do they have?
[21:55] <fta> just showing history
[21:56] <asac> ok ... as long as we dont merge from there
[21:56] <asac> so when we change .head those probably need to be overwritten or force-merged or sometjing
[21:56] <fta> we should never touch them
[21:57] <asac> yes of course
[21:57] <asac> so are we resetting them when .head gets a new commit?
[21:58] <fta> no, the bot just merges and resolve conflicts in d/changelog (and d/control because i tweak versions in there)
[21:58] <fta> +s
[22:02] <fta> asac, you will have the pleasure to fix the diverged patches every morning ;)
[22:03] <fta> hopefully not *every* morning
[22:04] <fta> that will boost the motivation to get the patches upstreamed :P
[22:05] <asac> fta: yeah
[22:06] <asac> fta: one thing would habve been to forward the python stuff
[22:06] <asac> ;)
[22:06] <asac> before pushing to .head ;)
[22:06] <fta> ^upstreamed^committed ;)
[22:06] <fta> (csh syntax)
[22:07] <asac> hehe
[22:07] <asac> fta: latest 3.1 seems to have better fonts
[22:07] <asac> they look quite great here for me
[22:09] <fta> dtchen, my mplayer lost sound after I unpaused it
[22:09] <fta> E: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large:<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (18260912 ms) Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the PulseAudio developers.
[22:09] <fta> E: module-alsa-sink.c: snd_pcm_mmap_commit: Device or resource busy
[22:09] <fta> dtchen, ^^
[22:09] <dtchen> fta: yes, i have local changes that address it
[22:10] <asac> dtchen: new nick?
[22:10] <dtchen> they didn't make it into the latest PA upload, but i can push to my ppa
[22:10] <dtchen> asac: "new" old
[22:10] <asac> i liked crimusn ;)
[22:10] <asac> err ... flipflip
[22:10] <fta> me too :)
[22:11] <dtchen> fta: uploaded, queued, etc.
[22:11] <fta> ok, thanks. I'll try tomorrow.
[22:11] <dtchen> upstream git HEAD fixes quite a few of these issues, but the changes are very invasive
[22:12] <dtchen> soname bump, too
[22:12] <fta> jaunty is a dev version, isn't what dev versions are for?
[22:14] <asac> 12 days till feature freeze ;)
[22:15] <fta> is that better to ship jaunty with crappy sound?
[22:16] <asac> i think we have a plan for that ;)
[22:16] <asac> we will blacklist a bunch of things
[22:16] <asac> for glitch free
[22:16] <asac> at least thatsa what came out of the sprint
[22:17] <asac> dtchen: is glitch free really the main issue we havehere?
[22:24] <dtchen> asac: it's one of them
[22:24] <dtchen> asac: there are a number of issues in the audio stack
[22:24] <dtchen> reaches all the way down from broken hw (e.g., HDA codecs) to how PA is configured by default to GUI apps to manipulate PA
[22:25] <asac> hmm
[22:26] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/2111687
[22:26] <asac> so blacklist glitch free + use alsa mixer is curreent way to move forward
[22:29]  * dtchen contemplates how to wrangle it
[22:30] <dtchen> so, patch PA to check hal before enabling tsched?
[22:30] <dtchen> that's gonna be a sick patch
[22:31] <dtchen> otherwise, we could revert to using alsa completely by setting tsched=0 for everyone
[22:32] <dtchen> glitch-free does tend to act more sensibly once the watermark has been set high enough; otherwise, with tsched=0, PA just uses alsa's interrupt-based scheme
[22:34] <asac> dtchen: isnt glicht free about finding a perfect buffer size?
[22:35] <asac> dtchen: (besides other things)
[22:35] <dtchen> yes
[22:35] <asac> wouldnt it be possible to ust use a big cache?
[22:35] <asac> from what i understood the problem is supposed to be that some drivers give a bad value for that cache heurisitc
[22:36] <dtchen> yes, and you can approach it from either the driver or from PA
[22:38] <asac> right. but from my experiences with drivers, they take ages to get fixed ... if not forever
[22:38] <asac> so we need some kind of workaround for now
[22:39] <dtchen> sadly, there's no uninvasive workaround that will work for everyone
[22:39] <asac> at least for wifi i am waiting and waiting ... and while there are improvements they always get about the same mount of regressions
[22:40] <dtchen> if the tsched=0 was decided for all chipsets, that's a simple one-line change in etc/pulse/default.pa.in
[22:40] <dtchen> err, src/daemon/default.pa.in
[22:40] <dtchen> if it's to be selective, well, that's going to be a weekend hackfest
[22:41] <asac> but wouldnt tsched cause stuttering on a bunch of chips?
[22:41] <asac> tsched=0 i mean
[22:42] <asac> cool ... new hal is there ... i can finally boot my 2.6.29 rc3 kernel again
[22:42]  * asac reboots
[22:42] <dtchen> right now it causes stuttering on just about all hw depending on the user's workload
[22:42] <dtchen> the stuttering is most noticeable immediately after the pulseaudio daemon has been invoked
[22:43] <dtchen> at that point, the buffering hasn't settled
[22:43] <dtchen> at some point (normally within a few seconds), it has settled


[04:24] <Frosty__> sup all
[04:26] <Frosty__> I was just woundering if it is possible to put ubuntu touch on a acer iconia 8 inch tablet that is routed? Will there be ubdates if possible.
[04:34] <Frosty__> [21:26] <Frosty__> I was just woundering if it is possible to put ubuntu touch on a acer iconia 8 inch tablet that is routed? Will there be ubdates if possible.
[04:48] <OerHeks> Frosty__, see the topic, supported devices https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[06:54] <amazoniantoad> I'm tring to flash my phone to use ubuntu touch but I'm having an issue
[06:54] <amazoniantoad> Can anyone try and help?
[07:00] <q1234567890> amazoniantoad: what is the issue? someone here can help if there's more details
[07:04] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: HEy sorry for the delay
[07:04] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: I am trying to follow the instructions here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[07:05] <amazoniantoad> But adb cannot detect the device when I boot into download mode (my phones version of fastboot)
[07:06] <q1234567890> amazoniantoad: hmm, in fastboot mode, you should use fastboot command
[07:06] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: sorry, that's what I mean
[07:06] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: but fastboot devices doesn't yield any results
[07:07] <q1234567890> amazoniantoad: how about adding sudo? try sudo fastboot devices
[07:07] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: didn't help
[07:08] <amazoniantoad> I just want ubuntu as my phone ;_;
[07:08] <amazoniantoad> Ugh
[07:09] <q1234567890> what is your phone model?
[07:09] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: Samsung galaxy s5 active with at&t
[07:12] <q1234567890> amazoniantoad: hmm... I just do some search, it looks like there's no ubuntu image for your phone yet.
[07:12] <q1234567890> amazoniantoad: where did you find the ubuntu touch image?
[07:13] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: I haven't. I thought the repository would find one for me.
[07:13] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: What's a phone model you suggest I buy to install ubuntu? I bought the Aquarius but it doesn't work within the US.
[07:15] <q1234567890> amazoniantoad: I think Nexus 4 is fine. You can look at supported devices here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[07:18] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: is the ubuntu touch project dead?
[07:18] <q1234567890> amazoniantoad: why do you ask that?
[07:18] <OerHeks> amazoniantoad, as dead as you are :-D
[07:19] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: there seems to have been 0 development on supporting any devices
[07:19] <q1234567890> I still get update weekly, so, may be not dead yet :P
[07:19] <duflu> amazoniantoad: It's still current. We are about to release the OTA-13 update too
[07:19] <amazoniantoad> duflu: What does that mean?
[07:20] <duflu> amazoniantoad: It's a periodic major update (bug fixes as well as features)
[07:20] <amazoniantoad> q1234567890: I don't mean a software update. I mean development to support more devices
[07:20] <amazoniantoad> I want to develop for the platform very badly but my ubuntu phone is not functional within the US
[07:21] <duflu> amazoniantoad: We can't talk about new devices obviously, but if you watch the various related software projects you will see all of them active on a daily basis.
[07:21] <amazoniantoad> hm
[07:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> morning hi
[07:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> morning hi
[07:22] <duflu> And FYI much of the dev team is in Europe. So not "dead" but still asleep :)
[07:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh some life in here!
[07:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems it's not been that active recently
[07:23] <amazoniantoad> duflu: Well if someone could do a little hand holding in the beginning I could do development for the US
[07:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> someone with a support issue?  what's the issue? just joined
[07:23] <amazoniantoad> Never done any kind of porting work before
[07:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> development and porting of what ?
[07:23] <amazoniantoad> SebthreeBQM10HD: I want to install ubuntu touch on my phone. Ordered aquarius but it hardly functions in the US
[07:23] <amazoniantoad> SebthreeBQM10HD: porting ubuntu touch to various devices
[07:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad,  ordered aquarious when, and which one ?
[07:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and yes there's a like network thing, since the networks are a bit differnet or whatever in USA
[07:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the networks don't quite work
[07:24] <amazoniantoad> SebthreeBQM10HD: E5 last december
[07:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> properly
[07:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or you only get 2g, but no 3g
[07:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[07:24] <amazoniantoad> Hardly ever even get 2g
[07:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and the aquarious doesn't  have 4g
[07:25] <amazoniantoad> Calls constantly dropped
[07:25] <amazoniantoad> Bad connection, people say my phone goes directly to voicemail
[07:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad,  that's a common known thing, that does Ubuntu phones don't really work properly in the USA,  since the networks being a bit differnet there to Europe etc
[07:25] <amazoniantoad> Yeah
[07:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that those above
[07:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad, not sure if anything can be done about that, since really it's a network thing isn't it?  the fualt of the American networks :D ?
[07:26] <amazoniantoad> Well, if it is released on a phone that is supported within the US then it wouldn't be an issue
[07:26] <amazoniantoad> it's a hardware thing
[07:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if what's released
[07:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[07:26] <amazoniantoad> Ubuntu touch
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad,   the remoured probable nex Ubuntu phone, the Meiazu MX 6, may have more support for the American networks, but people get that from a chinese company
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Meizu Mx 6
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's for now being sold with Android only, but remour has it there will be an Ubuntu versiion as well
[07:28] <amazoniantoad> SebthreeBQM10HD: I hope so
[07:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well not so much a remour, omgubuntu has had mentions about that etc
[07:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad,  Meizu phone are more high end or mid range
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad, the BQ stuff is generally known to be cheaper etc, but.  out of the two BQ tables I am using the cheaper one the HD,  don't have the FHD meaning to buy that as well
[07:29] <amazoniantoad> I'd like to port ubuntu touch to my device in the mean time. Is there any kind of information on porting?
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and even this cheaper of the two tablets, is pretty awesome really for what it is :)
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !porting
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !port
[07:29] <amazoniantoad> SebthreeBQM10HD: Yes the phone OS was incredible.But I couldn't use it at all
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there is a page some where about porting
[07:29] <amazoniantoad> lol. not port forwarding
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> also mariogrip when around would be good to chat to about that
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad, it's a cop of the #ubuntu bot I think, so not really set up for this channel properly
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  a copy above
[07:30] <amazoniantoad> ah
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but !ubuntu can be a cop sometimes to :D
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !language
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that was an example :d
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I was trying to be slihgtly funny, anyway yes mariogrip he has ported unoffially to the One Plus One and three
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and
[07:31] <amazoniantoad> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the Fairphone
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so one person that would be good to chat to when around more about porting
[07:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad, I think it's quite a lot of work trying to get it onto other things, and also whilst it working well enough
[07:32] <amazoniantoad> thnks
[07:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> various things are likely to not just work on most phones that trying to port hte OS to etc
[07:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which phone do you want to port to?
[07:32] <amazoniantoad> galaxy s5 active
[07:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok, but your going to need a load of time if your really going to seriosuly try and port it over, and where it's working enough as well
[07:33] <amazoniantoad> The best phone I've ever owned. can take a beating and it's waterproof
[07:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since varous things are likely to not just work etc, as I was saying
[07:33] <amazoniantoad> Yeah
[07:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and even your port may then get an issue with the american networks maybe I guess or possibly
[07:34] <amazoniantoad> SebthreeBQM10HD: I doubt it. The issue is with the hardware
[07:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad,  also I am not sure, but I Think for unoffical phones, suck with just develper mode really
[07:35] <amazoniantoad> hm
[07:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a bit like when if people bought the ANdroid aqurious phones, and then put Ubuntu on them selves
[07:35] <amazoniantoad> right
[07:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> amazoniantoad, I think developer mode is mostly the same, but won't have the Nokia gps or whatever it was I think
[07:38] <mcphail> Elleo: great! Look forward to experimenting with it ;)
[09:46] <david89> Hello. What is the correct way of launching an application from the terminal app? libertine-launch is giving $DISPLAY errors
[09:47] <david89> And also, what is the status on developing applications without Ubuntu?
[09:54] <divis1969> john-mcaleely: I'm fighting against syncing the code for couple days and just found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1610650
[09:55] <divis1969> Could you please restart gerrit?
[09:55] <john-mcaleely> divis1969, I can ask again, sure
[09:55] <popey> divis1969: best place to ask is #canonical-sysadmin
[09:55] <popey> because that's all we do :)
[09:56] <john-mcaleely> doing it now
[09:56] <divis1969> Perhaps this could be helpful to figure out the reason: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/repo-discuss/i4d2pvUWcj4
[09:56] <divis1969> Thanks
[10:03] <htike> hi please
[10:04] <divis1969> Hm, gerrit restart seems did not solve the issue. Should I contact #canonical-sysadmin ?
[10:05] <divis1969> Oh, yes, it is working now!
[10:05] <divis1969> Thanks again!
[10:14] <john-mcaleely> you're welcome. sorry it's a bit flaky
[11:38] <divis1969> restarting gerrit did not help - I was able to sync a single repository and the issue apears again. I'm wondering is there any fork for ubuntu-touch repos that I can use temporary?
[11:38] <divis1969> Also I've noticed gerrit 2.7 is used which is released in 2013. Any plans to upgrade it?
[12:34] <john-mcaleely> divis1969, as noted elsewhere, no plans I'm aware of. I've raised a ticket with our infrastructre folks to investigate why it has become so flaky
[12:35] <john-mcaleely> good luck hunting for a mirror - I am not aware of any, but they may well exist
[14:24] <clumsymittenhand> hey has anyone here had luck with installing on a Chinese Meizu Pro 5?
[14:25] <clumsymittenhand> I've extracted all the touch tars to /system but I'm still not showing an OS
[14:27] <popey> clumsymittenhand: i have seen reports of others doing it
[14:27] <mcphail> clumsymittenhand: I think I heard something about this on popey and flexiondotorg's last podcast. I think you need the international version. Not sure you can install on the Chinese one. I may be misremembering
[14:28] <mcphail> whoops
[14:28] <flexiondotorg> mcphail, Has summoned me.
[14:28] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/103449842981186239877/posts/RBDbK82Lt83
[14:28] <clumsymittenhand> yeah I got far enough to change the firmware to the int version so I could get the fastboot unlocked. Now I'm stuck getting the actual OS to install.
[14:28] <mcphail> flexiondotorg: popey got there first ;)
[14:29] <clumsymittenhand> cool I'll check it out. I've gone through like 6 guides so far and none of them work. I feel like once I get this it's gonna be a new fundamental concept about ubuntu that opens up for me.
[14:30] <popey> maybe take the mittens off?
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> clumsymittenhand, This is the specifics for changing Chinese firmware to International/Global
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65533839&postcount=69
[14:31] <mcphail> clumsymittenhand: let me know how you get on. I dropped my bq at the weekend, and I might be in the market for a new device. If I can install to a Chinese meizu it would make life easier
[14:31] <flexiondotorg> clumsymittenhand, What FlymeOS version do you have right now?
[14:32] <flexiondotorg> If you have 5.1.60 you need to downgrade to at least 5.1.30 in order to enable root in the FlymeOS Settings.
[14:32] <flexiondotorg> It you have FlymeOS 4.x then even better, enabling root is easier.
[14:34] <clumsymittenhand> yeah I got past that part. No more flyme. bootloader is unlocked.
[14:35] <clumsymittenhand> Im stuck with TWRP loaded on it. I can't get the touch OS to install. All I can get is an ubuntu logo on recovery.
[14:35] <clumsymittenhand> I got the ubuntu kernel installed though so when it boots I get a nice "Meizu powered by Ubuntu screen"
[14:36] <leaftype> On the bright side, ubuntu logos are pretty
[14:38] <clumsymittenhand> :/
[14:38] <leaftype> on my M10 I'm still having issues with the terminal, and losing the keyboard every time I switch windows
[14:39] <leaftype> I thought it had something to do with being in a chroot, because once I could press enter and switch between root@blah blah and nathan@blahblah, crashing only whenI pressed something else
[14:40] <leaftype> But now I lose keyboard control in the terminal just switching to Chatter and back
[14:40] <leaftype> without any chroot business
[14:41] <leaftype> and... now it's not doing it
[14:41] <leaftype> weird
[14:47] <flexiondotorg> clumsymittenhand, Sec. I have a link coming for you....
[14:49] <flexiondotorg> clumsymittenhand, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=67713435&postcount=20
[14:50] <flexiondotorg> THat ^^^^ is a link to a TWRP full system backup for OTA-11 for the Pro 5.
[14:50] <flexiondotorg> You can restore that using TWRP and you'll have a bootable OTA-11.
[14:51] <flexiondotorg> After restoring the above, (it is safe I've checked it throughly) boot into it and check stuff works.
[14:51] <flexiondotorg> However, that backup above has the TWRP recovery in it.
[14:51] <flexiondotorg> It you want OTA update to work, you'll need to download the Pro5 Ubuntu recovery and flash that via fastboot.
[14:52] <flexiondotorg> Then you can boot OTA-11 and do an update to OTA-12.
[15:01] <clumsymittenhand> going through popey's guide.... but I ran out of space extracting the ubuntu tars
[15:01] <leaftype> what is it that screws up the ota updates?
[15:02] <popey> not having the ubuntu recovery, which knows how to unpack them, I suspect
[15:04] <leaftype> ah, seems a weird way to set it up
[15:14] <leaftype> and terminal crashes again
[15:16] <davmor2> leaftype, popey: also people making the system read write and filling up the system space so there is nowhere for the new image to go, also :)
[15:17] <leaftype> davmor2, lol
[15:18] <clumsymittenhand> sweeeeeet. Popey thank you so much. I was missing step 6.5.
[15:18] <popey> ooh
[15:18] <clumsymittenhand> Thats exactly what I needed. I'm up and running after 3 days.
[15:19] <popey> yay
[15:19] <leaftype> any idea when snappy will arive in touch?
[15:19] <popey> not any time soon.
[15:19] <davmor2> leaftype: when it gets there :)
[15:20] <leaftype> lol :)
[15:20] <leaftype> while I'm at it, I feel like I should change my name on here. Chose it just before pokemon go came out and now I feel out of place
[15:22] <popMaize> popcorn sounds y ummy
[15:23] <popcorn> and... /nick isn't doing anything in chatter
[15:23] <popcorn> how about now.?
[15:23] <popcorn> nope...
[15:25] <popMaize> There we go
[15:49] <popMaize> woo, new password making program
[15:51] <popMaize> some peopel use password managers, some people use shell commands, some people use pre-made programs. But who makes one in c++?
[15:51] <popMaize> people learning, tha'ts who
[16:09] <deeeeeerw> using ubuntu-device-flash on Aquaris M10 HD , and there is error: error pushing: failed to copy '/home/...a.tar.xz': No space left on device
[16:09] <deeeeeerw> what should i do to resolve the problem?
[16:11] <clumsymittenhand> how did you clear the device?
[16:12] <davmor2> clumsymittenhand: settings→reset→reset device
[16:14] <deeeeeerw> ubuntu-device-flash using /cache in device, and the total volum is 400+M, but the file which need to be download to /cache is big than that.
[16:14] <deeeeeerw> i do that in recovery mode
[16:16] <deeeeeerw> i want to know if i can modified the recovery.img, so i can change the /cache to become more bigger
[16:17] <davmor2> deeeeeerw: did you make it read/write and install apps with apt?
[16:18] <clumsymittenhand> what recovery are you using? TWRP?
[16:18] <deeeeeerw> i am in recovery mode, using power+volup, and i can use "adb shell" to visit the device with read/write right.
[16:19] <deeeeeerw> my recovery image is recovery-cooler.img
[16:20] <deeeeeerw> which is downloaded from "https://system-image.ubuntu.com/"
[16:20] <clumsymittenhand> anything important in /cache/recovery? You could just clear it out.
[16:20] <clumsymittenhand> or manually push the needed tars to /sdcard
[16:21] <clumsymittenhand> using adb push /path /path
[16:21] <deeeeeerw> i can clear everything in /cache/recovery, but the total vol in /cache is 400+M, it's too small
[16:22] <Michal_> Hello, I want back up and restore sms and contacts on ubuntu touch, I checked some tutorial, but no function or I don't understand well. Can somebody help me?
[16:24] <clumsymittenhand> deeeeeeerw I'd just manually push the install files from your computer to the phone and do it manually... but if you hang around someone who knows more can prbly help.
[16:25] <deeeeeerw> i can push the file to other patition, such as /dev/mmcblk0p23, but the next step is reboot the device and go into Recovery mode,and recovery init system,
[16:27] <deeeeeerw> if i change the directory of the files, the flash operation can't go on
[16:30] <deeeeeerw> thank you
[16:31] <davmor2> deeeeeerw: was this an ubuntu device from the start or an android one? Have you fired it up and installed apt based apps?
[16:33] <Michal_> Hello, I want back up and restore sms and contacts on ubuntu touch, I checked some tutorial, but no function or I don't understand well. Can somebody help me?
[16:33] <deeeeeerw> it's a android device, but i want to install ubuntu OS back.
[16:34] <davmor2> deeeeeerw: john-mcaleely might be able to help you but I think you need to use the mtk flash tool to get the initial image on as the android file system is completely different to the ubuntu one
[16:37] <deeeeeerw> i have used the mtk flash tool to flash the recovery-cooler.img already, and so i can use ubuntu-device-flash command
[16:38] <deeeeeerw> thank you, but how can i contact with john-mcaleely?
[17:03] <taiebot> Has anyone notice higher power consumption on rc-proposed my phone already died. I normally arrive home and have around 40% power.
[17:13] <taiebot> Also i am not able to update some apps. is that known?
[17:37] <Michal_> hi, need help, when I want unlock MX4 by command fastboot oem unlock, tell me unknow command, what does it mean?
[17:37] <davmor2> Michal_: that only works on nexus devices
[17:38] <Michal_> I see,  do you know how to unlock it on linux?
[17:38] <Michal_> I saw some examples but in windows
[17:38] <davmor2> Michal_: if you have a none ubuntu mx4 there is no guarantee that it can be unlocked
[17:39] <Michal_> Ohh I bought it now and I need unlock it
[17:40] <jithendra> hi
[17:40] <Michal_> So it sound no good for me :(
[17:41] <davmor2> Michal_: you might be able to use an mtk flash tool but you would need to get the right image to flash it with
[17:41] <jithendra> i need link to download ubuntu touch for galaxy nexus i9250 device
[17:41] <davmor2> might be worth asking on askubuntu.com
[17:41] <jithendra> can you help me?
[17:41] <Michal_> I saw example, but in windows. But it is possible get mtk tool for ubuntu?
[17:42] <davmor2> Michal_: yeap there are versions for ubuntu too
[17:43] <jithendra> link plz?
[17:44] <davmor2> jithendra: I don't think it is supported
[17:45] <davmor2> jithendra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting tells you how and the devices supported
[17:45] <jithendra> yeah i know i don't support right now, but once it was
[17:46] <davmor2> jithendra: that was many many many moons ago there is no link for it now
[17:46] <jithendra> ok thank you
[18:39] <taiebot> no one having problems updating apps? i have this error NetworkError 3: - host public.apps.ubuntu.com not found
[18:47] <davmor2> taiebot: nope
[19:24] <taiebot> davmor2: its bizarre i can install apps but cannot download updates...
[19:45] <javier4> is libnativehelper a Ubuntu touch project too? oR is it one of the Android parts not needed?
[20:21] <javier4> lol. I really didn't think it was a question such complex. :D
[23:07] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys. Is there anything like the otterbox for the aquarius e5?
[23:21] <JanC> amazoniantoad: what's an "otterbox"?
[23:21] <amazoniantoad> JanC: phone case. So, I'm thinking of taking popular android apps and building an ubuntu touch version of them...Thoughts?
[23:22] <JanC> oh, water resistant cases?
[23:22] <amazoniantoad> JanC: well no actually. I thought it was too. It's just a really good case to protect the phone. All of the cases I have found my the aquarius suck really bad
[23:24] <amazoniantoad> Is there a channel for ubuntu-touch development?
[23:25] <amazoniantoad> When I try to start a test app that was generated by the ubuntu-touch sdk the app crashes/the emulator screen remains black
[23:26] <JanC> there is #ubuntu-app-devel
[23:27] <amazoniantoad> Nice. I'm thinking of just making copies of top android apps because my god there is much to be desired from the store
[23:27] <amazoniantoad> And its organization is very poor
[23:38] <amazoniantoad> Also, does ubuntu touch allow for desktop if you hook up a computer monitor to it now?
[23:42] <JanC> depends on the hardware & such
[23:42] <amazoniantoad> Ah
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> JanC: so is there anything cool coming out with any future updates or? (sorry for all of the questions. Trying to give ubuntu touch another go)
[23:44] <JanC> I don't know too much about what they plan to release when
[23:44] <amazoniantoad> I see
[23:47] <JanC> I'd suggest waiting or asking again when people are at work in Europe (where AFAIK most developers are)
[23:48] <amazoniantoad> k
[23:52] <JanC> AFAIK the idea is that you can run a Unity 8 / Mir based desktop on hardware that allows it (not sure that's true for the e5?)
[23:53] <JanC> I mean, not sure it allows connecting a monitor


[08:50] <steev_> GrueMaster: their new kernels *should* be based on the linaro tree (which does branch from ubuntu), whether that is actually true, remains to be seen
[11:11] <kvarley> Is there a list of ARM boards which Ubuntu will run on anywhere?
[11:12] <kvarley> nvm got it
[11:12] <kvarley> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport
[14:13] <hrw> guys where I can grab SD images for panda/armhf?
[14:16] <hrw> fetching http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/alpha-2/precise-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap4.img.gz
[14:42] <ogra_> hrw, we're at beta1 :) (will release today)
[14:42] <ogra_> hrw, better zsync the current daily on top of that old alpha2 image
[14:43] <hrw> ogra_: apt-get dist-upgrade helps
[14:43] <hrw> ogra_: url?
[14:44] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled
[16:22] <GrueMaster> I thought the SheevaPlug was arm v6?  This says it comes with Ubuntu.  http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/01/0732247/stealthy-pen-test-unit-plugs-directly-into-110-vac-socket-video
[16:23] <ogra_> jaunty perhaps ?
[16:23] <GrueMaster> 2.6.32 kernel
[16:23] <ogra_> and ?
[16:24] <GrueMaster> Could be Karmic.
[16:24] <ogra_> it wouldnt come with any ubuntu kernel anyway
[16:24] <ogra_> could be jaunty with a 3.0 kernel :P
[16:24] <ogra_> even
[16:25] <GrueMaster> Karmic was arm v6 and 2.6.32 kernel on marvel.  Seeing the patch blob we got for their latest system, it looks like their tree encompasses all.
[16:26] <GrueMaster> Or they could have just pulled recent packages and respun.  Not too terribly difficult.
[16:27] <ogra_> sure, all i'm saying is that the kernel doesnt say a thing about the rootfs
[16:28] <ogra_> apparently you can have it in pink though
[16:28] <ogra_> if you have pink wallplugs
[16:28] <GrueMaster> Ah, they have an ubuntu-9.04.tar.gz.  Jaunty.
[16:28] <ogra_> s/plugs/sockets/
[18:05] <GrueMaster> janimo`: Didn't you have ghc building on armhf earlier?
[18:27] <damian0815> hey alls, does anyone know a streamlined way to convert a working pandaboard ubuntu install on SDcard to read-only? unionfs/aufs/similar?
[18:28] <pbuckley> mount -o remount,ro /
[18:28] <pbuckley> ?
[18:28] <damian0815> pbuckley thanks but i believe i need to be able to write to config dirs e.g. to start X
[18:28] <pbuckley> well you should give us a full description of what you want in order for us to give you a useful answer
[18:29] <damian0815> pbuckley fair enough
[18:30] <damian0815> i have a working system that boots to X and launches a non-interactive opengl-es app. i want it to mount the root filesystem read-only so i can simply hit the power off and not risk corrupting the filesystem. the goal is maintenance free reliability in a remote location.
[18:31] <pbuckley> ah.. are these devices going to have network access in the remote locations?
[18:31] <damian0815> no
[18:31] <pbuckley> well.. you can do that with partitions on the sd card
[18:32] <pbuckley> like mount /var tmpfs or something
[18:32] <pbuckley> put /home somewhere
[18:32] <pbuckley> then do the mount -o ro /
[18:32] <damian0815> ok thanks
[18:33] <pbuckley> (youll get a nice little performance boost dropping your locks/run/logs into ram
[18:33] <pbuckley> you just need to make sure that you have logrotate or smething to keep the log file sizes limited
[18:34] <pbuckley> also turn off swap if can.. if that starts hitting the sd card the user experience will be crap
[18:34] <damian0815> so to be clear:
[18:35] <damian0815> i should add one or more partitions to the sdcard, and point my ubuntu at a different partition for /var ..
[18:35] <damian0815> presumably i can leave home on root since nothing will be written there
[18:35] <pbuckley> x writes out some temp files to the users home dir
[18:35] <pbuckley> also make sure /tmp ends up being writtable
[18:36] <damian0815> right right ok
[18:36] <damian0815> so /var, /home and /tmp need to be writable
[18:36] <pbuckley> yeh
[18:36] <damian0815> ok thanks
[18:36] <pbuckley> np
[18:37] <GrueMaster> pbuckley: Thanks for that.  I was distracted with post-beta 1 cleanup.
[18:37] <GrueMaster> btw:  PandaES now has audio support in the Beta 1 image.
[18:37] <pbuckley> \o/
[18:38] <pbuckley> so two new weird things
[18:39] <pbuckley> i was doing a network stress test on my dev board.. after about 20 hours it started dropping consistently about 9% of the packets that went away after a reboot
[18:39] <pbuckley> trying to reproduce it now
[18:39] <pbuckley> and i just spaced on the other thing :(
[18:40] <pbuckley> maybe it was just that my dev board actually made it more then 3 hours
[18:40] <pbuckley> heh
[18:41] <GrueMaster> Interesting.  I'll look into an automated network stress test here.  Would be good to have.
[18:41]  * GrueMaster is always looking for more automated tests.
[18:42] <ATP> anyone know what time the 12.04 beta comes out exactly? Are arm images being released as well?
[18:42] <pbuckley> thats a GrueMaster question
[18:44] <GrueMaster> ATP: Anny minute now.  If you absolutely want it now, go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/20120301.1/ for desktop, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/20120228.1/ for server.
[18:45] <ATP> GrueMaster, you know which is image is best for beagleboard?
[18:45] <ATP> armhf or omap?
[18:45] <GrueMaster> They should all be armhf, but omap is the beablebard image.
[18:46] <GrueMaster> The armel images are just residue that hasn't been scraped out yet.
[18:46] <ATP> ok so I guess I can wait for the official release of the beta
[18:46] <ATP> where should I watch for the announcement ? is distrowatch.com fast enough? :P
[18:47] <GrueMaster> atp, the links I gave you will be the official images.  They are being copied to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/beta-1 now and should be visible shortly.
[18:47] <damian0815> ... if i just go ahead and make ext2 partitions for /var and /home, is there not a risk of corruption? how do i hook unionfs/aufs into this process? is that desirable in my case?
[18:47] <GrueMaster> Not sure on the release announcement.  Maybe just ubuntu.com?
[18:48] <ATP> GrueMaster, ok thank you I download these then
[18:50] <damian0815> ... and if i just go `mount` it looks like var/run and var/lock are already mounted as tmpfs, tho they are not in fstab . where are these coming from?
[18:54] <janimo`> GrueMaster, I touched ghc only briefly a year ago. No armhf poking from me
[18:54] <GrueMaster> damian0815: I think those are mounted in upstart.
[18:54] <GrueMaster> janimo`: Ok.
[18:55] <damian0815> k thx. /me googles upstart . just when you think you know enough about Linux there's always something else..
[18:56] <GrueMaster> Yea, progress can be a funny thing.  Next thing you know, we'll have cell phone cluster computing.  Oh, wait... I already did that.  http://gruemaster.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-survived-sort-of.html
[18:57] <pbuckley> nice!
[18:58] <damian0815> heh
[18:59] <GrueMaster> I did that with 6 pandas.  Now I have 8.  Muahaha!
[19:03] <damian0815> GrueMaster do you have any issues with temperature control?
[19:05] <GrueMaster> No, my office is nice and cool at 68F (20C).
[19:06] <damian0815> so they're not enclosed i'm guessing..
[19:06] <GrueMaster> All my systems are open air.  Even my Core2Duo test system.
[19:07] <GrueMaster> I had a small heat sink on my PandaES, but it hasn't felt warm since 12.04 Alpha 1.
[19:07] <GrueMaster> No heat sinks on other arm systems.
[19:09] <GrueMaster> here is what one of my panda towers looks like.  http://members.dsl-only.net/~tdavis/Panda-rack.jpg
[19:19] <damian0815> so this guy is trying to achieve a similar thing (read-write sandbox on top of read-only known good base), the second post is a script that is supposed to mount / readonly then make a union with an rw tmpfs using aufs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5422268
[19:19] <damian0815> only thing is it's from 2006. look like it would still work?
[19:19] <damian0815> (i'm running ubuntu 10.10)
[19:28] <GrueMaster> First, dare I ask why 10.10?
[19:31] <damian0815> heh
[19:31] <damian0815> only way it seems i can do opengl-es at 1920x1080 with working hardware acceleration
[19:31] <damian0815> (3 weeks of pain in that sentence)
[19:39] <GrueMaster> Hrm.  I thought we had support in 11.10 (a little late, but there).
[19:40] <damian0815> i didn't try 11.10
[19:40] <damian0815> once i got it working.. no more upgradey
[19:41] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Well just understand that 10.10 was an initial release for panda, and it will be going away after April (18 month support).
[19:49] <dipper> hi all, small question I am asking around
[19:49] <dipper> trying to install eclipse on linaro omap4 images
[19:49] <dipper> pandaboard
[19:49] <dipper> it fails with the following messages
[19:49] <dipper> http://pastebin.pandaboard.org/index.php/view/95457828
[19:51] <dipper> any ideas ?
[19:51]  * GrueMaster is checking
[19:52] <GrueMaster> dipper: Well, it works fine on my ubuntu precise images, but I don't test Linaro.
[19:53] <GrueMaster> They may have broken dependencies in ppa's or something.
[19:53] <dipper> is there a workaround ?
[19:53] <dipper> not through apt-get
[19:54] <dipper> GrueMaster: where can I get desktop images for pandaboard ?
[19:54] <GrueMaster> Like I said, I don't know.  I did "apt-get update && apt-get install eclipse, and it gave me a ton of packages.
[19:54] <dipper> i see
[19:54] <dipper> I was advised linaro for pandaboard
[19:54] <dipper> I am open to switch to something else
[19:54] <dipper> if there is anything
[19:55] <GrueMaster> We are just releasing beta 1 soon.  Check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/.  It should show up soon.
[20:19] <damian0815> ok looks like i have a working ro /
[20:19] <damian0815> thanks for the help everyone
[20:21] <j_ack> hey yall. What is the best sd or mmc-card for a pandaboard?
[20:37] <GrueMaster> j_ack: Something Class 10 and 4G or better.
[20:38] <j_ack> GrueMaster, thank you
[22:00] <int_ua> I have a question about jasper-initramfs. Anyone familiar with it present?
[22:01] <GrueMaster> int_ua: What's up?
[22:02] <int_ua> GrueMaster: Why is jasper-initramfs is built only for i386?
[22:02] <GrueMaster> It is a shell script.  It should be arch-all.
[22:03] <int_ua> It never run on my N900, but I don't remember if it boots at all with standard preinstalled image, I'm using a script to configure it
[22:03] <pbuckley> huh?
[22:03] <int_ua> GrueMaster: the package is _all
[22:03] <GrueMaster> It is used in our preinstalled images.
[22:03] <int_ua> GrueMaster: But it's not in the repos
[22:03] <pbuckley> yeh i know.. just having trouble parsing what he's saying
[22:04] <GrueMaster> It's main purpose is to grow the rootfs on the sd card and other first-boot initialization.
[22:04] <GrueMaster> And it is in the repos.
[22:04] <int_ua> GrueMaster: but it's not present in the recent Precise OMAP3 image, is it?
[22:05] <int_ua> GrueMaster: strange, I can't see it
[22:05] <GrueMaster> yes, otherwise the image wouldn't boot.
[22:05] <GrueMaster> It is in the initrd.  Once it runs, it rebuilds the initrd and removes itsself.
[22:06] <GrueMaster> Well, wouldn't boot properly.
[22:07] <int_ua> GrueMaster: I'm puzzled. You mean it will never boot completely. It must boot into initramfs. Or it's not booting?
[22:08] <GrueMaster> If it doesn't run, the root filesystem won't have enough room to do anything.
[22:08] <GrueMaster> And it is jasper in the repo.
[22:08] <GrueMaster> jasper-initramfs is the source repo.
[22:09] <int_ua> GrueMaster: Ok, got it. Another question: what should I do if the image doesn't boot at all? My hardware is Nokia N900.
[22:09] <GrueMaster> (when it was developed, the creator didn't know about the jasper jpeg libraries).
[22:10] <GrueMaster> We don't support that system directly.  But if you have a kernel and bootloaders, you theoretically can make it work by dropping them in the boot partition.
[22:11] <GrueMaster> rbelem has experience with this system if he's around.
[22:12] <GrueMaster> also rsalveti.
[22:13] <rsalveti> I think we used to have a wiki page with instructions on how to use ubuntu on n900 at wiki.ubuntu.com
[22:13] <rsalveti> but in theory it should work fine
[22:13] <rsalveti> just need to grab a valid kernel, and have the rootfs available at an external sd card
[22:14] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Same kernel & bootloader as omap?
[22:14] <int_ua> Thanks :) I think I've talked with them on #kubuntu-mobile last year. The problem is that the only kernel that boots is 2.6.35 compiled by apachelogger et al (AFAIK) and it doesn't boot any other kernel.
[22:14] <GrueMaster> (beagle I should say).
[22:14] <rsalveti> for that I don't know, n900 is usually broken upstream
[22:14] <rsalveti> I remember the best kernel we had available was from the mer project
[22:14] <GrueMaster> ah.
[22:16] <int_ua> rsalveti: is it possible to watch kernel log from USB on N900?
[22:17] <rsalveti> int_ua: just once you booted it completely, if you want to have the logs guess the best way would have it displayed at the n900 screen
[22:18] <int_ua> and when kernels refuse to boot silently?...
[22:19] <rsalveti> then just serial to help you knowing what is happening
[22:44] <int_ua> rsalveti, GrueMaster: How do you think, should I add a link to my script ( https://code.launchpad.net/~xintx-ua/ubuntu-n900/ubuntu-n900-installer ) to wiki?
[22:49] <GrueMaster> int_ua: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP  Will this work?
[22:51] <GrueMaster> (under Community Development)
[22:52] <int_ua> No, I'm talking about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900
[22:53] <int_ua> it's not about OMAP, it is specifically for N900
[22:53] <GrueMaster> Oh.  Forgot that still exited.
[22:54] <int_ua> GrueMaster: can you please rephrase, I didn't get it? :)
[22:54] <GrueMaster> I forgot that wiki page was there.  It isn't linked in wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[22:55] <GrueMaster> And the Kubuntu-mobile project is no longer maintained afaik.  I think they merged into kubuntu-active.
[22:56] <int_ua> But there is not kubuntu-active for arm, is it? Is it temporary?
[22:56] <int_ua> s/not/no/
[22:56] <GrueMaster> It is still in its infancy.  This (Beta 1) was the first release and only i386.
[22:59] <GrueMaster> Not sure if/when images for it will be built on arm.  Packages are there.
[23:04] <int_ua> leaving now. Thanks for your help, GrueMaster and rsalveti :)