[07:43] <L0cKd0wN> i was under the impression graphics cards are in the 8000 area now heh
[07:43] <cameron_> owww no one can help me
[07:43] <Jordan_U> Moon_Rabbits: Yes, what do you mean by main computer folder though?
[07:44] <zcat[1] > Jordan_U: Places >  Computer  ?
[07:44] <jasin> lockdown, version numbers mean little really
[07:44] <Moon_Rabbits> Jordan_U: Well, when I click Places and click Computer,
[07:44] <cameron_> if someone can help me with network chat programs join #calver
[07:45] <L0cKd0wN> jasin,  :(
[07:45] <n2diy> LOckdOwN: you don't seem to understand the battle? M$ and the folks that made your monitor, share info. with each other, and agree to not share it with linux!
[07:45] <Moon_Rabbits> I'd like to create a shortcut to that drive so that other members of my family can use it without bothering the main Filesystem drive, potentially buggering things up.
[07:45] <jasin> lockdown, you can use read-edid  to get your monitors specs.
[07:45] <Jordan_U> Moon_Rabbits: To make a link, the equivelent of a shortcut, right click the folder and go to "make link" or use ln -s
[07:45] <jasin> lockdown,
[07:45] <jasin> read-edid gets the specs of a monitor from the hardware,
[07:46] <L0cKd0wN> bash: read-edid: command not found
[07:46] <zcat[1] > apt-get install read-edid
[07:46] <L0cKd0wN> doh!
[07:46] <Moon_Rabbits> Jordan_U: Make link is greyed out, I can't select it?
[07:46] <jasin> lockdown, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/read-edid
[07:46] <L0cKd0wN> unstable... eek
[07:47] <burepe> how can I tell the mount location of my usb hard drive?
[07:47] <L0cKd0wN> don't like the look of that heh
[07:47] <Moon_Rabbits> (also, this folder is a mounted drive, not a random dir)
[07:47] <L0cKd0wN> could this be related to a kernel problem
[07:47] <L0cKd0wN> when grub started, i had numerous choices
[07:47] <jasin> lockdown, is that what you cam here for, to complain?
[07:47] <jasin> http://freshmeat.net/projects/read-edid/
[07:48] <L0cKd0wN> nah i came to unsquish the text lol
[07:48] <L0cKd0wN> :P
[07:48] <Jordan_U> jasin: If you are going to link people to packages directly from Debian you should link them to the source package and tell them how to use apt-get build dep
[07:48] <jasin> Jordan, he knows how to download .deb files
[07:48] <jasin> Jordan, dont believe me? Just ask him
[07:49] <Jordan_U> jasin: But binary debian .debs may not work in Ubuntu
[07:49] <zcat[1] > n2diy: that's a cop-out a lot of the time anyhow. There's a lot of stuff Ubuntu could do, that is trivially configured but is still not set up by default. Edgy is better, hopefully Feisty will be near-perfect. If read-edid can pick up the resolution, why can't the xorg-server config?!
[07:49] <Moon_Rabbits> Does anyone know why I can't make a link to my second disc?
[07:49] <jasin> Jordan, you is speculating
[07:49] <jasin> Jordan, please stick with facts
[07:51] <n2diy> zcat[1] :  ok, its a copout? Is it a lie? Ubuntu is pressing it a lot better then any distro I've played with, but we are still playing catch up.
[07:51] <jasin> lockdown, see: http://john.fremlin.de/programs/linux/read-edid/ for more on read-edid
[07:51] <Jordan_U> jasin: It is a fact that binary debian packages are not always compatable with Ubuntu, unless you know they work, not just that they worked for you, I think you should not recommend them
[07:51] <lyml> i had a dream about ubuntu last night :)
[07:52] <jasin> Jordan, no its not.
[07:52] <lyml> i dreamt they released ubuntu command & counquer :)
[07:52] <cybercod> hello again everyone
[07:52] <L0cKd0wN> bookmarked, gonna restart GDM brb
[07:52] <jasin> Jordan, its your opinion or expierence, but its hardly a fact.
[07:52] <n2diy> zcat[1] :  and I've never heard of edid, so I'm behind the times too.
[07:52] <jasin> n2diy, of course
[07:53] <kiwinz_sucks> debian packages may work, but they're not compiled for ubuntu's custom kernel
[07:53] <Jordan_U> jasin: Join #ubuntu-offtopic please, I don't want to clutter a support channel
[07:53] <kiwinz_sucks> so there's no guarantee
[07:53] <L0cKd0wN> lol now i have a scrollable destkop.... lol
[07:54] <jasin> kiwinz, all kernels are custom, regardless of the distro.
[07:54] <L0cKd0wN> kinda cool.... kinda
[07:54] <kiwinz_sucks> i know that, jasin
[07:54] <kiwinz_sucks> that's what i'm saying
[07:54] <jasin> kiwinz, then what you just said is illrelavent
[07:54] <kiwinz_sucks> not at all
[07:54] <voidmage> Any boinc users?
[07:54] <kiwinz_sucks> it's as relevant as saying gentoo binaries don't work with ubuntu
[07:54] <kiwinz_sucks> kernels are different
[07:54] <voidmage> Any boinc users know how to get boinc to use nice?
[07:55] <n2diy> jasin, I did my best not to go into RMS mode.
[07:55] <jasin> kiwinz, if kernels being custom was a problem  then people would have to compile source code packages would not work in anything.
[07:56] <kiwinz_sucks> not at all, jason, because packages are compiled per distro, with their kernel in mind
[07:56] <FFForever> how can i extract a .pak?
[07:56] <zcat[1] > n2diy: If there's an open-source program that can read the EDID data, it's hardly Microsoft's fault if the xorg-config isn't making use of it.. right?
[07:57] <Jordan_U> jasin: It is not only a kernel problem, it is also a problem with differing library / dependency versions among other things
[07:57] <kiwinz_sucks> indeed
[07:57] <L0cKd0wN> this might be overkill, but do other distros handle resolution better than this... say fedora?
[07:57] <kiwinz_sucks> even packages from earlier ubuntu releases often have problems with edgy
[07:57] <n2diy> zcat[1] : I have no clue what EDID is, but if M$ own it, yes it is a problem for open source.
[07:57] <L0cKd0wN> used that for a while, until i switched to here heh
[07:57] <n2diy> own/owns
[07:57] <L0cKd0wN> i've also not tried to run fc6
[07:57] <L0cKd0wN> on this new lcd
[07:57] <jasin> Jordan, if its that much of a problem then no one should even be ussing linux.
[07:58] <kiwinz_sucks> L0cKd0wN, resolution support is pretty sketchy, but i can tell you fedora core 6 sucks in general
[07:58] <kiwinz_sucks> jasin--stop making assumptions.  people use linux because packages are made per distro
[07:58] <kiwinz_sucks> that's why you have ubuntu repositories, not debian repositories
[07:58] <L0cKd0wN> uh huh...
[07:58] <Jordan_U> jason: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MarkShuttleworth look at the section "What about binary compatibility"
[07:59] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, you just need your screen resolution fixed?
[07:59] <jasin> kiwinz, like Jordan has been doing?
[07:59] <zcat[1] > n2diy: you're assuming ... I'd have to google and see if there's any legal reson not to use it. But I suspect it's just something nobody got around to doing yet.
[07:59] <L0cKd0wN> so im S.O.L it seems heh
[07:59] <jasin> Jordan, no thanks.
[07:59] <kiwinz_sucks> jasin--i'm not here to pick sides, i don't know what Jordan's been doing, but i know YOU are making assumptions that aren't true
[07:59] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, correct, im at my native resolution (which is apparently 1440x900) but it looks off
[07:59] <kiwinz_sucks> how did you get it to that resolution?
[07:59] <L0cKd0wN> i told it
[07:59] <carpenterThe> can anyone suggest a good UI for cron?
[08:00] <L0cKd0wN> thats what i was running under windows xp
[08:00] <jasin> kiwinz, obviosuly you are considering you have said not a word to him about any of this.
[08:00] <n2diy> zcat[1] : I think you are making assumptions too, if we could play with it don't you think a million OS propramers would be doing it?
[08:00] <kiwinz_sucks> the easiest way to fix resolution is to simply replace the correct the horizontal and vertical refresh rates in your xorg.conf, make sure your default depth includes your resolution, and restart
[08:01] <kiwinz_sucks> if you used any other complicated method to do it, it was unnecessary
[08:01] <arrenlex> n2diy: This sounds like an interesting discussion; what are you talking about?
[08:01] <IntuitiveNipple> EDID is a VESA standard for display discovery, basically
[08:01] <jasin> thinking you are at the correct resolution does not mean you are.
[08:01] <L0cKd0wN> so i should edit xorg.conf directly? i've been using the command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:01] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown--again, you assume.  i haven't been following your conversation, i just noticed you were saying all debians worked with ubuntu, which is untrue
[08:01] <kiwinz_sucks> yeah, edit it manually
[08:01] <tomas_> is there an easyubuntu for UBUNTU 6.10?
[08:01] <n2diy> arrenlex: open source/closed source support for drivers and what not.
[08:01] <kiwinz_sucks> do you know your horizontal and vertical frequencies?
[08:01] <zcat[1] > n2diy: according to wikipedia it's a completely open and documented standard from VESA.
[08:02] <zcat[1] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID
[08:02] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, no, but when i ran the command, it detected them for me
[08:02] <Jordan_U> jasin: I gave you a link to Mark shutleworth's wiki entry about why there IS binary incompatability between Ubuntu and Debian and you refuse to read it? why?
[08:02] <L0cKd0wN> just had to answer the questions one by one
[08:02] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown--that's what it says, anyway
[08:02] <kiwinz_sucks> i've done it multiple ways
[08:02] <kiwinz_sucks> kubuntu even tried to auto-configure it for me
[08:02] <kiwinz_sucks> but it messed up
[08:02] <L0cKd0wN> and i don't i said all debians worked with ubuntu, im not experienced enough to say anything remotely intelligent in this place lol
[08:03] <n2diy> zcat[1] : cool, when you go on vacation you'll fix it for us, right?
[08:03] <kiwinz_sucks> tomas_ try http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html
[08:03] <L0cKd0wN> i don't think*
[08:03] <jasin> Jordan, *yawn*
[08:03] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown--not you, i was talking to jasin
[08:03] <L0cKd0wN> ah :)
[08:03] <kiwinz_sucks> jasin, are you a troll?
[08:03] <kiwinz_sucks> i'm thinking as much
[08:03] <zcat[1] > n2diy: My point; it's broken because nobody got around to writing the code yet, NOT because MSFT won't let them!
[08:03] <jasin> kiwinz, are you an ass?
[08:03] <n2diy> zcat[1] : cool, when you go on vacation you'll fix it for us, right?
[08:04] <Jordan_U> !language | jasin
[08:04] <ubotu> jasin: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:04] <RudyValencia> Are the repositories for breezy still active?
[08:04] <zcat[1] > n2diy: Why don't you. You're the one that claimed it was some conspiracy from MSFT why it doesn't work already...
[08:04] <cybercod> ugh... i hate it when things get ugly
[08:04] <tomas_> is this suppose to be a one line command?
[08:04] <tomas_> wget -q http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[08:04] <tomas_> ?
[08:05] <kiwinz_sucks> yes
[08:05] <kiwinz_sucks> one line
[08:05] <Jordan_U> tomas_: Yes
[08:05] <Quinn> hi, I just want to thank everyone in the community for being so helpful, more and more I am switching to open source and one that makes it great are helpful ppl on here and forums :)
[08:05] <n2diy> zcat[1] : I don't get vacations, and I don't code!
[08:05] <cybercod> tomas   read much Raymond E Feist?
[08:05] <tomas_> it only says OK
[08:05] <tomas_> then nothing happens
[08:05] <kiwinz_sucks> you're welcome, quinn
[08:05] <kiwinz_sucks> ...from the community
[08:05] <Quinn> :D
[08:05] <kiwinz_sucks> tomas, that's all you need
[08:05] <cybercod> thats just the key tomas
[08:05] <cybercod> you still need to start it up
[08:06] <kiwinz_sucks> when you access a repository, you have a key to validate it
[08:06] <kiwinz_sucks> the command you entered just downloaded the key
[08:06] <zcat[1] > n2diy: perhaps I'll add it to my script.. I've already got a fairly goot bit of code to detect and find/configure drivers for nvidia cards...
[08:06] <cybercod> after you download it from repo
[08:06] <zcat[1] > *good
[08:06] <Moon_Rabbits> How come when I try and create a symbolic link to my second disc in the slash-root it says that it already exists, but I can't see it, even in my root account?
[08:06] <arrenlex> Quinn: 1. Help out on ubuntu IRC
[08:06] <arrenlex> 2. ???
[08:06] <arrenlex> 3. Profit!
[08:06] <arrenlex> ^ is ~'s plan.
[08:06] <kiwinz_sucks> tomas, use this link:
[08:06] <kiwinz_sucks> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu_latest.deb
[08:07] <kiwinz_sucks> then double-click the file it downloads and it will install easy ubuntu
[08:07] <cybercod> oh no... not the underpants gnomes!!!
[08:07] <n2diy> zcat[1] : ok, I'm re-training to get into the workplace again, what, if, I can learn to code, what language should I learn?
[08:07] <imbecile> lol
[08:07] <h3xis> n2diy, python
[08:07] <L0cKd0wN> if I pastebinned my xorg.conf , could you guys take a look ?
[08:07] <RudyValencia> is breezy still working?
[08:07] <kiwinz_sucks> certainly, lockdown
[08:07] <adorablepuppy> Hello.
[08:07] <Jordan_U> Moon_Rabbits: Does the name begin with a period? ( that is how you make a file/folder hidden in *nix )
[08:07] <L0cKd0wN> ok fabulous
[08:07] <kiwinz_sucks> rudy-- breezy is still up, i think, yes
[08:07] <RudyValencia> ok cool
[08:07] <n2diy> h3xis: Thank you.
[08:08] <tomas_> if i type that in the terminal, should i expect for something else to pop up or something
[08:08] <tomas_> it only says OK
[08:08] <Flannel> RudyValencia, yep.  Breezy is still supported until April
[08:08] <adorablepuppy> Synaptic seems to be very slow right now (about 3 kBps), is there some reason?
[08:08] <RudyValencia> OK
[08:08] <PFA> can someone help me with bitlbee... i know to "just ask" but i don't even know what i am asking!! this whole thing is confusing the heck out of me. it is really bad.
[08:08] <kiwinz_sucks> tomas, no, it shouldn't say anything else or pop up
[08:08] <L0cKd0wN> http://rafb.net/p/ye2Ifv76.html
[08:08] <cybercod> adorable... you're not the first person having that trouble... so ... hmmm
[08:08] <h3xis> n2diy, ive just started learning it and it's been kind of "easy" but i also have some basic knowledge in java and c++ but it seems like a good language to pick up
[08:08] <kiwinz_sucks> click this link to download the easyubuntu program:  http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu_latest.deb
[08:08] <tomas_> then how do i get the ubuntu
[08:08] <Moon_Rabbits> Jordan_U: No, it's got no period. e.e;; Well, this is only my first day on a *nix distro so :}
[08:08] <RudyValencia> What's the diff. between Ubuntu and Debian - other than Ubuntu being more up-to-date?
[08:08] <Jordan_U> adorablepuppy: I think one of the mirrors is slow today
[08:08] <tomas_> i downloaded it, installed it, then type that one line command
[08:09] <tomas_> i thought i will get the options to choose which one to install (flash, java, etc.)
[08:09] <kiwinz_sucks> yes, you will
[08:09] <n2diy> h3xis: Roger that, I can navigate Basic, and PERL, and that is it.
[08:09] <kiwinz_sucks> try typing "easyubuntu" into your terminal
[08:09] <h3xis> n2diy, i couldnt motivate myself to learn perl
[08:09] <n2diy> h3xis: And HTML.
[08:09] <adorablepuppy> My usual speed on synaptic is near my cap rate (3Mbps). 3kBps is absurd! :D
[08:09] <h3xis> n2diy, haha who doesnt know html
[08:09] <tomas_> get it THANKS
[08:10] <kiwinz_sucks> welcome
[08:10] <cybercod> The repos are slow... must be a M$ conspiracy
[08:10] <Moon_Rabbits> Jordan_U: Where do I put the folder when I create the link? I don't see periods before any other folder names and it let me create my other folders/directories without periods.
[08:10] <arrenlex> adorablepuppy: If the rest of your internet is significantly faster, it might just be that your mirrors are in bad shape at the moment.
[08:10] <B_166-ER-X> I have a problem with a fresh Edgy install (tried with dapper, does the same thing) , on a dual boot machine with Win Xp,  i cannot get the internet working, its set to 'DHCP'  and all...theres jsut..no juice.  It works fine on My install though, as with Win Xp (i am now on anoter pc with Edgy ) anyone have and idea where to look ?
[08:10] <Flannel> adorablepuppy, it's the mirror you're using.  If it really bothers you, change mirrors
[08:10] <Moon_Rabbits> Where do I put the period when I create the link?*
[08:10] <n2diy> h3xis: html, the copy and paste language!
[08:10] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, do you have the manual for your monitor?
[08:10] <h3xis> n2diy, yeah really.
[08:10] <cybercod> moon-rabbis    hit CTRL+H... that will show you all hidden folders
[08:11] <adorablepuppy> Flannel: How do I change mirrors?
[08:11] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, Im not sure
[08:11] <n2diy> h3xis: It works.
[08:11] <kiwinz_sucks> that would help greatly
[08:11] <L0cKd0wN> i could look it up online i think
[08:11] <Flannel> adorablepuppy, there's a way through synaptic and/or software properties, but it's much easier to manually edit your sources.list
[08:11] <Moon_Rabbits> cybercod: I have it set to display hidden folders already, but there isn't already a link to my drive-two folder in my slashroot
[08:11] <kiwinz_sucks> that's a good idea
[08:12] <cybercod> ah... ok... just tryin to help
[08:12] <Moon_Rabbits> Thanks anyways~
[08:12] <kiwinz_sucks> also, do you have a backup of you original xorg.conf?  reconfigure should have made one
[08:12] <kiwinz_sucks> post that one for me, if you could
[08:12] <jasin> That jerks on ignore
[08:12] <h3xis> n2diy, oh i know. back in the late 90s when i was a kid i used to make all kinds of sites and play with html using notepad and copying and pasting was a habit
[08:12] <adorablepuppy> flannel: Is that adding the "deb" lines? Is there another mirror for main packages then?
[08:12] <L0cKd0wN> k
[08:12] <jasin> lockdown, have they got your resolution problem fixed?
[08:13] <Spinnaker> Which folder should I put XCHAT scripts? PLS HELP ME
[08:13] <Flannel> adorablepuppy, there's lots of mirrors.  I'm... not entirely sure where you'd find a list of them though, but yeah, it's the urls after each "deb" or "deb-src" line
[08:13] <h3xis> Spinnaker, put it wherever you feel like
[08:13] <Flannel> Spinnaker, probably ~/.xchat/
[08:13] <marshall> hey guys
[08:13] <n2diy> h3xis: roger that, /edit/view/source.
[08:13] <kiwinz_sucks> hey marshall
[08:13] <h3xis> n2diy, exactly.
[08:13] <cantona> anyone know where can I buy a "linux plate"?
[08:13] <marshall> can somebody help me install banshee 0.11.3 plugins from svn? i have no idea how this works
[08:14] <adorablepuppy> Are these the mirrors? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:14] <Jordan_U> adorablepuppy: Go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[08:14] <kiwinz_sucks> !svn
[08:14] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[08:14] <ydnar> has anyone used skype v3 for windows via wine?
[08:14] <L0cKd0wN> jasin, not yet
[08:14] <L0cKd0wN> workin on it
[08:14] <jasin> spinnaker, you can put them anywhere you like.
[08:14] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, http://rafb.net/p/vNpXXT27.html
[08:14] <jasin> Lockdown, figures
[08:14] <L0cKd0wN> thats xorg.conf.backup
[08:14] <Flannel> adorablepuppy, I believe.  these are hte official ones: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive/OfficialMirrors
[08:15] <Spinnaker> okay thx
[08:15] <L0cKd0wN> the screen is just somewhat off, but it's very noticeable enough to be a huge bother
[08:15] <Jordan_U> adorablepuppy: Where it says "download from" choose "main server"
[08:15] <kiwinz_sucks> ok, lemme check out the files
[08:15] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, i ran that command so many times, i prolly butchered the config
[08:15] <kiwinz_sucks> ...that sucks
[08:16] <kiwinz_sucks> um
[08:16] <cybercod> Lockdown... i would suggest deleting the 1440x1440 from the display modes... your screen is obviously not a perfect square
[08:16] <kiwinz_sucks> are you absolutely sure your native is 1440x900?
[08:16] <adorablepuppy> Jordan_U: Main server is just as slow as the other one. I'm just going to start trying mirrors
[08:16] <jasin> the default location for xchat scripts is, ~/.xchat2/ Where "~" represents your home directory i.e.: $HOME/.xchat2/
[08:17] <Greib> lockdown did you buy one of those newegg 180$ monitors?
[08:17] <marshall> kiwinz_sucks, thanks but i already consulted ubotu
[08:17] <IntuitiveNipple> 1440x900 is a pretty common resolution for widescreen
[08:17] <jasin> main server is not sloww here
[08:17] <kiwinz_sucks> actually, it's 960...
[08:17] <cybercod> but in his xorg.conf... it shows 1440x1440... not x900
[08:17] <jasin> lockdown, and now they blame your monitor because they can't fix your problem.
[08:17] <marshall> does anybody know what "shift: 347: can't shift that many" means when doing ./autogen.sh?
[08:17] <kiwinz_sucks> that's his OLD config showing 1440x1440
[08:18] <cybercod> ah.
[08:18] <cybercod> ok... sorry..
[08:18] <kiwinz_sucks> his other link was posted earlier...no problem
[08:18] <cybercod> i'm shuttin up now
[08:18] <userbn> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[08:18] <Moon_Rabbits> Is it possible for me to move anything into the Computer:/// ?
[08:18] <Moon_Rabbits> Or is that restricted to only showing me my CDrom/floppy devices + Filesystem?
[08:18] <kiwinz_sucks> anyway, if your resolution is right, lockdown, try changing it to 1440x960, not 1440x900
[08:18] <L0cKd0wN> the monitor came with the desktop system heh
[08:18] <Hoxzer> how can I change mouse speed?
[08:18] <L0cKd0wN> it was $500 or something, get what i paid for lol
[08:19] <Flannel> So, I just installed (dapper) using LVM, /boot is not on LVM, / and /etc are their own logical volumes, on first boot I get "INIT: no inittab file found" and am then asked which runlevel I'd like.  is it poor grub configuration? or...?
[08:19] <Moon_Rabbits> Hoxzer: System -> Preferences -> Mouse
[08:19] <jasin> lockdown, a word of advice, if you want to fix something in linux don't bother taking the advice of people here .. read the mans, howtos, and do some research.
[08:19] <kiwinz_sucks> moon_rabbits--computer isn't a location, it's just how nautilus displays different key areas
[08:19] <adorablepuppy> Ab
[08:19] <kiwinz_sucks> you can add something to fstab or something and it will show up there
[08:19] <adorablepuppy> AH*, Main has perked up to 2.8 Mbps.
[08:20] <Jordan_U> Moon_Rabbits: Sorry, guess I gave you bad advice :)
[08:20] <n2diy> Hoxzer: click on system/prefrences/mouse?
[08:20] <Moon_Rabbits> Really? Okay, cuz that's what I've been trying to do all day and I haven't figured out how
[08:20] <Hoxzer> Moon_Rabbits: thx
[08:20] <L0cKd0wN> hmmm
[08:20] <L0cKd0wN> ok restarting X brb
[08:20] <L0cKd0wN> *crosses fingers*
[08:20] <kiwinz_sucks> k
[08:21] <Ace_NoOne> Hi there! Yesterday I installed Gnome and Beryl over my (freshly set up) Kubuntu, and now my machine only boots into terminal/CLI mode - any clue how to fix this?
[08:21] <kiwinz_sucks> ace_noone, what instructions did you follow?
[08:21] <kiwinz_sucks> you shouldn't have altered the boot whatsoever
[08:21] <Flannel> Ace_NoOne, do you get any errors?  (you might try asking in #ubuntu-xgl, that's the XGL/Beryl channel)
[08:21] <Ace_NoOne> the Ubuntu wiki's
[08:21] <kiwinz_sucks> the best guide to use is the beryl official one
[08:22] <L0cKd0wN> i can't see my mouse cursor!!! O_o
[08:22] <Jordan_U> Ace_NoOne: Did you use XGL?
[08:22] <kiwinz_sucks> haha
[08:22] <L0cKd0wN> and it looks more horrible lol
[08:22] <jasin> ace_no, type startx to load x
[08:22] <L0cKd0wN> thank god for [tab]
[08:22] <Ace_NoOne> well, I didn't get any errors; what happened is Gnome locked up, I pressed CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE - and then nothing worked anymore, so I couldn't finish the Beryl installation
[08:22] <jasin> ace_no, kdm to load kde, gdm to load gnome
[08:23] <kiwinz_sucks> well then probably you should change your xorg.conf back to how it was so you can use your mouse
[08:23] <arrenlex> jasin: That's not how it works.
[08:23] <cybercod> Lockdown... do lower resolutions look bad too?
[08:23] <Flannel> Ace_NoOne, definately ask in #ubuntu-xgl, they should be able to help you out.
[08:23] <Ace_NoOne> thx
[08:23] <arrenlex> jasin: Those are different display managers which can each lode any other system. It just happens that GDM is written in GTK and KDM is written in QT.
[08:23] <jasin> arrenle, oh so start x wont load x? yeah, whatever.
[08:23] <arrenlex> load ***
[08:23] <arrenlex> jasin: The other thing. About kdm and gdm.
[08:23] <jasin> arrenlex, I know what their written in, thanks.
[08:24] <arrenlex> jasin: You know what they're written in but not what they do?
[08:24] <n2diy> What does ctrl+alt+ (+ or -) do?   Is that screen resolution, or just zooming in or out?
[08:24] <kiwinz_sucks> alright, i've got an idea, lockdown
[08:24] <jasin> arrenlex, thats your opinion
[08:24] <arrenlex> jasin: What is?
[08:25] <kiwinz_sucks> n2diy-- it cycles through you different X sessions
[08:25] <kiwinz_sucks> arrenlex, ignore him
[08:25] <mlpug> i have fresh edgy on ibm thinkpad T20. machine halts totally roughly three times out of four boots. this is around where it is supposed to go into graphical mode. how to debug this?
[08:25] <kiwinz_sucks> hes trolling, and has been for a while now
[08:25] <jasin> The xinit program allows a user to manually start an X server. The startx script is a front-end for xinit.
[08:25] <arrenlex> kiwinz_sucks: Oh. Someone should put up a "do not feed the trolls sign".
[08:25] <arrenlex> trolls" sign.
[08:25] <Greib> aww no nerd fight... tragic
[08:25] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: so  it cycles through the xorg.conf settings?
[08:25] <kiwinz_sucks> bascially, yeah
[08:25] <Ace_NoOne> nvm guys, fixed it by restoring the xorg.conf (thank god I'd made a backup)
[08:26] <mlpug> is there some general rule to make settings in xorg.conf more safe?
[08:26] <jasin> The two alternative methods for starting an X server is by using a display manager and starting the X server and then manually starting one or more clients. Using a display manager is the most commonly used method.
[08:26] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: Hello, can't we test our resolution settings that way?
[08:26] <adorablepuppy> I noticed a virus scanner in the synaptic package manager, is this really necessary? Are there viruses for linux now?
[08:26] <arrenlex> jasin: (00:22:46) jasin: ace_no, kdm to load kde, gdm to load gnome <---- wrong.
[08:26] <kiwinz_sucks> better?
[08:26] <burepe>  I using a faq to add virtual hosts to apache and it says to "# Add this line to the Hosts file:
[08:26] <burepe>  <IP_ADDRESS>     directory.thepalace.com
[08:26] <burepe>  " I am not sure what I am supposed to change the values to for my set up. Can someone tell me what the number means and if I am supposed to add the directory in the root of my apache install as as part of my url?
[08:26] <L0cKd0wN> ok i tried to put everything back, the best i could
[08:27] <L0cKd0wN> still no mouse pointer
[08:27] <L0cKd0wN> lol
[08:27] <cybercod> adorable... it helps to be able to scan files for viruses so you don't give them to poor disillusioned windows users
[08:27] <L0cKd0wN> i have an extra problem now, wahoo!
[08:27] <arrenlex> !virus | adorablepuppy
[08:27] <ubotu> adorablepuppy: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:27] <kiwinz_sucks> oh geez
[08:27] <Jordan_U> adorablepuppy: That is mostly for scanning for windows viruses so you don't send them to somebody else or as a mail filter
[08:27] <jasin> arrenlex, In the X Window System, an X display manager runs as a program, allowing starting a session on an X server from the same or another computer.
[08:27] <adorablepuppy> :D I see, protection for outgoing files.
[08:27] <Ace_NoOne> btw: how can I edit a file (e.g. the xorg.conf) as root? on KDE, there's an item for that in the context menu, but on Gnome it seems I have to change file permission via the terminal first!?
[08:27] <kiwinz_sucks> so then copy everything frmo the link you gave me, and replace your entire xorg.conf with it
[08:27] <jasin> arrenlex, I know what display managers do, thanks.
[08:27] <riotkittie> uhhh. is there a way to logout of gnome via command line?
[08:27] <kiwinz_sucks> it'll put the settings back to what they were when it worked
[08:27] <L0cKd0wN> k
[08:27] <kiwinz_sucks> http://rafb.net/p/ye2Ifv76.html
[08:27] <L0cKd0wN> uhhh could you send that link back to me
[08:27] <L0cKd0wN> lol thx
[08:28] <cybercod> wow.. i think he's got a chip on BOTH shoulders
[08:28] <L0cKd0wN> one step ahead haha
[08:28] <jasin> arrenlex, stop being a jerk
[08:28] <r_rehashed> when i boot, i get an error saying `tty: job-control turned off' and it goes into an `(intramfs)' prompt
[08:28] <L0cKd0wN> argh! i can't click it no pointer lol
[08:28] <r_rehashed> what does this mean?
[08:28] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, try ctrl+a
[08:28] <n2diy> riotkittie: init 2?
[08:28] <Jordan_U> Ace_NoOne: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf there is a way to make a menu item like in KDE but I don't remember how
[08:28] <r_rehashed> the error is not exact. it's something like that
[08:29] <kiwinz_sucks> WAIT, use this one:  http://rafb.net/p/ye2Ifv76.nln.html
[08:29] <kiwinz_sucks> got rid of the extra crap for you
[08:29] <hammad> Hi I'm new to Ubuntu I'm having a problem listening to anything from my speakers on my computer, if someone can help me it would be greatly appreciated.
[08:29] <cybercod> hammad.. no sound at all?
[08:29] <hammad> None
[08:29] <erpo> Hey all. What cool software can I add to my edgy machine to spiff out my desktop? I'm thinking along the lines of a compositor or xplanet or some linux version of Mac OS X's dashboard widgets. What software might I not have heard of before?
[08:29] <erpo> *Edgy machine
[08:29] <L0cKd0wN> sudo KILL URSELF
[08:30] <L0cKd0wN> lol, thats how i feel right now
[08:30] <hammad> None cybercod
[08:30] <kiwinz_sucks> hammad, double-click your speaker icon in the panel and make sure all your options are turned on and the volume is up
[08:30] <L0cKd0wN> ok thanks kiwinz_sucks
[08:30] <kiwinz_sucks> you might have to edit the preferences
[08:30] <Ace_NoOne> btw: thx Jordan_U
[08:30] <cybercod> ok.. hammad... the basics... speakers plugged in... turned on... plugged into correct jack?
[08:30] <hammad> correct.
[08:30] <hammad> when i go into windows everything works fine.
[08:30] <cybercod> hammad... apples and oranges
[08:30] <hammad> hehe as far as i can see in ubuntu nothing is muted
[08:30] <cybercod> but yes, that verifies they're hooked up properly
[08:31] <kiwinz_sucks> erpo, Beryl is the compositor to use, and gdesklets add widgets
[08:31] <Ace_NoOne> Jordan_U: what would be the command for accessing the GUI for file permissions tho?
[08:31] <cybercod> hammad  you have a volume icon next to clock?
[08:31] <hammad> other than "capture"
[08:31] <jasin> linux does not have virus problems? LOL
[08:31] <Jordan_U> erpo: beryl , bb ( ascii animation demo ) , kiba-dock ( composited dock with a physics engine, requires composited WM like beryl )
[08:31] <hammad> yes i do
[08:31] <kiwinz_sucks> Ace_NoOne, if you have permission to change the file, just right click on it
[08:31] <kiwinz_sucks> if not, you have to do it from the command line
[08:31] <L0cKd0wN> ok brb again :)
[08:31] <Flannel> Jordan_U, libcaca is better than AA/BB anyway -- color ASCII
[08:32] <jasin>    The myth that Linux is immune to viruses still persists.
[08:32] <cybercod> hammad  if you r-click the icon and hit preferences, what device does it show that it is using?
[08:32] <jasin> And thats very sad, people should know better.
[08:32] <erpo> Jordan_U, kiwinz_sucks: Thanks. :)
[08:32] <r_rehashed> hammad: does the volume bar come down when u click on the volume icon?
[08:32] <Ace_NoOne> kiwinz_sucks: but I usually don't (as I'm a non-adminstrative user by default, ain't I?)
[08:32] <hammad> HDA Intel Alsa Mixer
[08:32] <hammad> and next drop down is
[08:32] <cybercod> hammad onboard sound?
[08:33] <hammad> Sigmatel SCaC9221 something
[08:33] <cybercod> hammad... do you have both a sound card AND onboard sound?
[08:33] <r_rehashed> a similar thing happened to me and i found my card didn't support gstreamer
[08:33] <kiwinz_sucks> well what are you trying to do?  if you just want to change access to the folder/file, the command is "sudo chmod 777 (file path here)"
[08:33] <hammad> ya the volume bar comes down
[08:33] <hammad> when i clikc on it
[08:33] <kiwinz_sucks> that'll give everyone read/write
[08:33] <hammad> I'm not sure what I have
[08:33] <hammad> exactly how can I check?
[08:33] <jasin> Viruses by Type: Linux http://www.viruslibrary.com/virusinfo/Linux.htm
[08:33] <kiwinz_sucks> if you want, i posted a script on my site that will allow you to right-click on any file or folder to access it
[08:34] <Flannel> kiwinz_sucks, and is usually one of the best methods of destroying a system
[08:34] <kiwinz_sucks> flannel-- if you're sharing a pc with sensitive data, but most people aren't
[08:34] <cybercod> do you have two sets of sound jacks?  one vertical near the mouse and keyboard plugs? and a second set lower horizontally in one of the card bays?
[08:34] <kiwinz_sucks> better now, lockdown?
[08:34] <L0cKd0wN> ok back to normal, at 1280 x 1024 upon startup
[08:34] <L0cKd0wN> lol
[08:34] <L0cKd0wN> streeetched
[08:34] <Ace_NoOne> kiwinz_sucks: what I'm trying to do is to "un-gray-out" the file permissions section in the properties window
[08:35] <L0cKd0wN> brb have an idea
[08:35] <kiwinz_sucks> Ace, you can't do that unless you already have permission to the file
[08:35] <jasin> omly root should be able to edit files on your system.
[08:35] <jasin> only root should be able to edit files on your system.
[08:35] <Ace_NoOne> kiwinz_sucks: but how do I get permission - how do I make Ubuntu/Gnome ask me for the root pw
[08:35] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, if you give me your monitor make and model, i can startup my kubuntu live cd and see what it configures
[08:35] <jasin> Use sudo
[08:35] <kiwinz_sucks> http://othello.alma.edu/~07tmhopk/ubuntuhowto.html#openasroot
[08:36] <Flannel> So, I just installed (dapper) using LVM, /boot is not on LVM, / and /etc are their own logical volumes, on first boot I get "INIT: no inittab file found" and am then asked which runlevel I'd like.  How do I fix this?
[08:36] <adorablepuppy> I've been using different linux distros for years now, but I think Ubuntu is the one like the best. So far anyway. . .
[08:36] <kiwinz_sucks> that's a how-to for a script so you can access stuff as root
[08:36] <kiwinz_sucks> from there, you can change permissions in the GUI
[08:36] <hammad> I have nothing near the mouse and keyboard USB plugins
[08:36] <hammad> The place where my speakers go in are above in a little jack, its beside the mic jack n stuff
[08:36] <GOATSLAYER> guys, someone told me to """"svn co""""  some site, and the terminal does not recognize svn as a command, what do i do?
[08:36] <cybercod> hammad... so there's just the one set of sound jacks
[08:36] <hammad> yes your right.
[08:37] <jasin> dont change permissions thats a potential securirty risk, use: sudo gedit
[08:37] <kiwinz_sucks> !svn | GOATSLAYER
[08:37] <ubotu> GOATSLAYER: svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[08:37] <arrenlex> GOATSLAYER: install the subversion package
[08:37] <feli> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[08:37] <cybercod> be right back...
[08:37] <Ace_NoOne> thx Kiw
[08:37] <Ace_NoOne> thx kiwinz_sucks*
[08:37] <kiwinz_sucks> yep
[08:37] <GOATSLAYER> arrenlex: is that sudo apt-get install subversion?
[08:37] <arrenlex> GOATSLAYER: Yep.
[08:37] <adorablepuppy> Hmm.  .  . One thing I'm wondering about. Is there any way to reinstall (or verify) a package that has already been installed? An issue came up the other day in which I accidentally deleted a file, I knew what file it was, but still could do nothing about it.
[08:37] <feli> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[08:38] <jasin> adorable, yes synaptics
[08:38] <arrenlex> adorablepuppy: apt-get install --reinstall package :)
[08:38] <Bhaskar> how can i merge two po files into single one
[08:38] <adorablepuppy> :D Fantastic!
[08:38] <Jordan_U> !hi | feli
[08:38] <ubotu> feli: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[08:38] <L0cKd0wN> what if i tried like XGL, would that render my desktop differently, perhaps hiding the resolution problem?
[08:38] <kiwinz_sucks> nope
[08:38] <L0cKd0wN> i saw the words compiz, xgl thrown around
[08:38] <Jordan_U> L0cKd0wN: no
[08:38] <Kr0ntab> adorablepuppy, just to add to the answers you got, apt-file is a great package to use as well....
[08:38] <macd> any reason   kernel-patch-grsecurity2 isnt a package anymore?
[08:38] <L0cKd0wN> shucks!
[08:39] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, what's your monitor model?
[08:39] <Kr0ntab> apt-file allows you to look for packages that certain files belong to
[08:39] <L0cKd0wN> well i suppose i could put up with it....
[08:39] <L0cKd0wN> lol one sec, lemme look
[08:39] <L0cKd0wN> model 6920
[08:39] <jasin> adorable, you can also use  aptitude
[08:39] <jasin> to check installed packages, not installed, etc..
[08:39] <riotkittie> ugh. all of a sudden, gnome wont fully load
[08:39] <Jordan_U> !fixres | L0cKd0wN, sorry if you have already been given this link, but
[08:39] <ubotu> L0cKd0wN, sorry if you have already been given this link, but: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:39] <kiwinz_sucks> that's all of it?  like, no letters or anything?
[08:39] <adorablepuppy> Kr0ntab: I suppose that may come in handy. :)
[08:40] <jasin> adorable, sudo aptitude
[08:40] <L0cKd0wN> theres letters
[08:40] <L0cKd0wN> 6920-AB1
[08:40] <L0cKd0wN> L192 widescreen
[08:40] <kiwinz_sucks> if you want to try the hard way, i have posted a tutorial on my site: http://othello.alma.edu/~07tmhopk/ubuntuhowto.html#resolution
[08:40] <Jordan_U> !fixres | L0cKd0wN, sorry if you have already been given this link, but
[08:40] <ubotu> L0cKd0wN, sorry if you have already been given this link, but: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:41] <jasin> lockdown, still having resolution problems?
[08:41] <burepe> can someone tell me if this brings them to a directory? www.ekoshi.net
[08:41] <L0cKd0wN> of course :)
[08:41] <rdv> hello
[08:41] <jasin> lockdown, dont suprise me
[08:41] <CyberCod> hammad still there?
[08:41] <Jordan_U> burepe: Yup :)
[08:41] <h3xis> burepe, yes. it's /
[08:41] <burepe> what is in it?
[08:41] <rdv> where does Ubuntu keep its record of installed packages?
[08:41] <A[D] minS> !suspend
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <hammad> yup
[08:42] <hammad> im still here
[08:42] <arrenlex> rdv: dpkg -l
[08:42] <Kr0ntab> btw folks, I asked in here yesterday if anyone had luck getting a Dell wireless 5700 miniPCI EVDO card to work under Linux.  I got it working... same as all the others.  usbserial module and pppd.
[08:42] <n2diy> rdv: use "locate *.deb"
[08:42] <hammad> I did lspci this is whats in there only thing i can c related to audio if it helps
[08:42] <L0cKd0wN> Jordan_U, ok checking it out
[08:42] <Kr0ntab> just for the chat logs, and if anyone carres.  hehe.
[08:42] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, i found a link to the specs i think
[08:42] <kiwinz_sucks> hold on
[08:42] <Jordan_U> [DIR]  ekoshi/                 07-Jan-2007 12:43    -
[08:42] <Jordan_U> [DIR]  phpmyadmin/             29-Sep-2006 00:12    -
[08:42] <Jordan_U> [   ]  test.php
[08:42] <L0cKd0wN> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-65757
[08:42] <L0cKd0wN> yea found it too :)
[08:42] <burepe> Jordan_U: thanks h3xis
[08:42] <CyberCod> hammad     Click System> Preferences> Sound
[08:43] <Ace_NoOne> hmm... when executing the wireless assistant, I get an error "file '/etc/resolv.conf' could not be opened for writing"
[08:43] <kiwinz_sucks> AH
[08:43] <hammad> Intel Corporaration 82081G (ICH7 Family)  High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[08:43] <kiwinz_sucks> think i found it
[08:43] <kiwinz_sucks> should be easy
[08:43] <hammad> k im there
[08:43] <h3xis> haha hammad i have that same chipset
[08:43] <riotkittie> is there some way to kill gnome and make it forget what was running ?
[08:43] <CyberCod> hammad at the bottom... whats the default sound card
[08:43] <hammad> do you get sound ?
[08:43] <CyberCod> and are there other options
[08:43] <h3xis> hammad, yes
[08:43] <Bhaskar> svg:how can i merge two po files into single one
[08:43] <hammad> HDA Intel
[08:44] <hammad> is at the bottom
[08:44] <Bhaskar> h3xix:how can i merge two po files into single one
[08:44] <rdv> arrenlex, n2diy: i found some files but i remember seeing a list of installed packages by date
[08:44] <CyberCod> hammad is there another option?
[08:44] <sac> hi, what is the minimum recommended space required for /boot?
[08:44] <hammad> nope
[08:44] <hammad> nothing drops down
[08:44] <hammad> just highlights it again
[08:44] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, make a backup of your current xorg.conf, so when you paste this new one in, you can revert back if i mess it up
[08:44] <n2diy> rdv:  roger that.
[08:44] <jasin> lockdown, you been in here for over a half hour now and they still haven't got your problem fixed.
[08:45] <L0cKd0wN> jasin, more like 1.5 hours
[08:45] <L0cKd0wN> but im patient cuz im grateful for help
[08:45] <L0cKd0wN> :D
[08:45] <jasin> lockdown, thats sad.
[08:45] <CyberCod> hammad     and if you click the system sounds  play buttons there you get nothing?
[08:45] <n2diy> riotkittie: ctrl+alt+backspace, but will kill every thing running in X.
[08:45] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, roger
[08:45] <rdv> n2diy: that information is in one of the .deb files?
[08:45] <hammad> Play System Sounds? I don't understand what you mean.. It's already checked...
[08:45] <kiwinz_sucks> here's the new one you should try: http://rafb.net/p/gVm0Ia80.nln.html
[08:46] <riotkittie> n2diy, that was the first thing i tried. didnt solve my problem ;/
[08:46] <CyberCod> jasin, i feel so pitiful rising to your bait, but the only thing really sad that I can see here is the vibe you're putting off
[08:46] <hammad> Oh i see what you mean cyber
[08:46] <rdv> n2diy: i once found information telling me exactly when i installed certain packages
[08:46] <n2diy> rdv: no you should find a directory named archives, with all teh *.debs in it.
[08:46] <sac> is 100MB for /boot enough or more? how much space is normally recommended?
[08:46] <hammad> Sound not set for this event
[08:46] <hammad> thats what it says.
[08:46] <CyberCod> hammad ok... set one
[08:46] <hammad> ya nothing
[08:46] <hammad> i dont hear anything
[08:46] <Jordan_U> L0cKd0wN: Well, I havn't been paying attention to what advice you have and havn't been given so I'll try from the top, what kind of card do you have and are you sure you have the correct drivers?
[08:47] <L0cKd0wN> sac: i gave mine 100mb
[08:47] <hammad> tried changing it around n what not
[08:47] <n2diy> riotkittie: sudo init 2?
[08:47] <hammad> i dont hear anything
[08:47] <CyberCod> Hmmm...
[08:47] <L0cKd0wN> i have an onboard nvidia card (chipset 6100)
[08:47] <riotkittie> n2diy, didnt help either
[08:47] <L0cKd0wN> i followed initial instructions as per the directions on ubuntu's support site
[08:47] <kiwinz_sucks> lockdown, if i have the right monitor specs, that xorg.conf file WILL work
[08:47] <kiwinz_sucks> http://rafb.net/p/gVm0Ia80.nln.html
[08:47] <rdv> n2diy: i found that directory yes
[08:47] <n2diy> riotkittie: WTF? What are you trying to do again?
[08:47] <L0cKd0wN> ok
[08:48] <L0cKd0wN> restarting
[08:48] <L0cKd0wN> brb!
[08:48] <n2diy> rdv: are you running X?
[08:48] <rdv> yes
[08:48] <CyberCod> Hammad... i'm sorry... you'll need to look for more experienced help.  I'm just fielding the easier ones tonite
[08:48] <burepe> In my hosts file do I put my internal or external ip address?
[08:49] <Harold> i know this is a dumb question, but at the Ubuntu login I hit Control + Alt + Backspace and now I'm in a terminal, how do I go back into the GUI?
[08:49] <kiwinz_sucks> and the answer is...?
[08:49] <hammad> sure np
[08:49] <jasin> cybercod, i could careless what you think of me
[08:49] <hammad> can anyone help me i dont understand why i cant hear anything from my speakers.
[08:49] <L0cKd0wN> looks same
[08:49] <L0cKd0wN> and no mouse again
[08:49] <L0cKd0wN> :*(
[08:49] <kiwinz_sucks> ARGH
[08:49] <L0cKd0wN> i know!
[08:49] <L0cKd0wN> but i got the backup heh
[08:49] <burepe>  Control + Alt + f7 I think
[08:49] <n2diy> rdv: ok, take a note of where that archive/*.deb directory is, and then open nautilus from a terminal, with gksudo nautilus.
[08:49] <h3xis> hammad, have you checked volume control
[08:50] <hammad> yes
[08:50] <hammad> it says
[08:50] <CyberCod> jasin, i'm glad you could care less  thats just beautiful.  i could care less that you care less.  Its just the kind of person you are.
[08:50] <hammad> HDA intel Alsa Control
[08:50] <riotkittie> n2diy, im trying to get gnome to fully load. ;p  right now, i've got panels with nothing on them , and no desktop
[08:50] <hammad> Alsa Mixer
[08:50] <h3xis> hammad, through alsamixer?
[08:50] <h3xis> ah
[08:50] <hammad> HDA Intel (Alsa mixer)
[08:50] <hammad> thats what i says
[08:50] <jasin> cybercod, good for you.
[08:50] <hammad> it says PCM
[08:50] <hammad> its full
[08:50] <hammad> its not muted
[08:50] <jasin> cybercod, you done ?
[08:50] <rdv> n2diy: i think there's an easier way.  some log file told me what i installed and when.  i can't find it now though...
[08:50] <n2diy> riotkittie: do your drop down menus work?
[08:50] <riotkittie> n2diy, no
[08:51] <h3xis> hammad, i have the same chipset as you, however i am not using ubuntu and i am using a different kernel so i'm not sure what could be wrong :/
[08:51] <h3xis> hammad, and i do have sound
[08:51] <CyberCod> jasin... as soon as i figure out the ignore functions I am
[08:51] <n2diy> rdv:  cool, go for it.
[08:51] <riotkittie> drop down menus arent showing on the panels
[08:51] <hammad> sucks
[08:51] <hammad> i dont understand either
[08:51] <jasin> cybercod, bye jerk
[08:51] <hammad> I get sound on MEPIS
[08:51] <n2diy> riotkittie: yuck, can you get to a terminal?
[08:51] <Jordan_U> hammad: Does this command make any sound? cat /dev/urandom | /dev/dsp
[08:51] <hammad> I can't get my printer or sound to work on Ubuntu
[08:51] <CyberCod> oh.   i'm the jerk.
[08:51] <rdv> n2diy: found it.  it was just archived by logrotate
[08:51] <CyberCod> sure
[08:51] <kiwinz_sucks> cybercod, ignore that troll
[08:51] <arrenlex> CyberCod: Yay!  We can start a club. With jackets.
[08:51] <riotkittie> n2diy, yeah, i have tilda running
[08:51] <CyberCod> can I design the logo?
[08:52] <n2diy> rdv: ?
[08:52] <hammad> jordan how did you make that line?
[08:52] <arrenlex> CyberCod: It will have to say "do not feed the trolls!" on the back, but you can design the image.
[08:52] <hammad> after random
[08:52] <lilly> wats trolls
[08:52] <n2diy> riotkittie: hmm, a tilda ehh, what happen when you press enter twice?
[08:52] <CyberCod> I just don't understand his bad attitude... it seems like he knows stuff... yet he's such a jackhole about it
[08:53] <Jordan_U> hammad: Shift+bckslash or you can just copy and past the command from my comment
[08:53] <arrenlex> lilly: Annoying people with bad attitude which hang around insulting everyone and putting everyone into a bad mood.
[08:53] <rdv> n2diy: /var/log/dpkg.log ... the empty file there fooled me.  i had to look at the .gz'd archives
[08:53] <Ace_NoOne> kiwinz_sucks: I've followed your descriptions there, but ... well, it seems that there is no such folder as "$HOME/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/", so the "Open as Root" script there is not executed ever (or whatever is supposed to happen with it)
[08:53] <jasin> they attack me and say i'm the one with the bad attitude?
[08:53] <jasin> lol
[08:54] <kiwinz_sucks> Ace--are you using gnome or kde?
[08:54] <hammad> lol shift backspace won't work
[08:54] <n2diy> rdv:  your looking for *.deb files remember? Where are they?
[08:54] <Ace_NoOne> kiwinz_sucks: gnome at this moment
[08:54] <hammad> and apparently ctrl+v doesn't work
[08:54] <riotkittie> ugh.now i cant resize xchat to get back to tilda. no term for me
[08:54] <n2diy> riotkittie: ?
[08:54] <threeonefour> how to kill a process in terminal
[08:54] <Jordan_U> hammad: Sry, I meant shift + backslash :)
[08:54] <arrenlex> threeonefour: killall <name> or kill <pid>
[08:54] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, could you link me to ur xorg.conf that you edited for me most recently again plz? :)
[08:54] <kiwinz_sucks> ctrl+z, threeonefour
[08:55] <kiwinz_sucks> actually, i fixed ONE MORE thing in it
[08:55] <arrenlex> kiwinz_sucks: That backgroudns a process.
[08:55] <arrenlex> backgrounds *
[08:55] <L0cKd0wN> oh really? :)
[08:55] <CyberCod> snide comments = bad attitude     condescending crap = bad attitude     only hanging around so you can show up someone else instead of helping people = bad attitude.... jerk
[08:55] <hammad> cat /dev/urandom | /dev/dsp?
[08:55] <arrenlex> CyberCod: No more feeding the trolls, please.
[08:55] <jasin> lol
[08:55] <rdv> n2diy: i found the deb files, but i wasn't looking for them, i was looking for a log
[08:55] <hammad> it says Permission denied.
[08:55] <L0cKd0wN> sry, i got up to get ice, need another drink to focus
[08:55] <L0cKd0wN> hehe
[08:55] <riotkittie> enter twice does nothing
[08:55] <hammad> ./dev/dsp permission denied
[08:55] <Ace_NoOne> kiwinz_sucks: also, it also gives me some kinda device error(s) when using the "gedit $HOME/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Open\ as\ root" command
[08:55] <threeonefour> arrenlex, thx
[08:55] <hammad> before it its bash:
[08:56] <n2diy> rdv:  I thought you wanted to purge your packages?
[08:56] <CyberCod> ok ok... no more feeding the trolls... its not his fault if his mama didn't hug him enough
[08:56] <hammad> bash: /dev/dsp Permission denied.
[08:57] <jasin> lockdown, I can fix your resolution but youd otn want my help.
[08:57] <jasin> lockdown, I can fix your resolution but you dont want my help.
[08:57] <kiwinz_sucks> http://rafb.net/p/zvaXx963.txt
[08:57] <L0cKd0wN> lol
[08:57] <Jordan_U> !ops | jasin is a troll
[08:57] <ubotu> jasin is a troll: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[08:57] <L0cKd0wN> im open to suggestions, thats why im here
[08:57] <kiwinz_sucks> you can try that new file, lockdown...i had a value entered wrong
[08:58] <n2diy> jasin, it is appearing to me that the want something, and when they learn how to do it, they don't want it anymore!?
[08:58] <kalikiana> Is there a way to do "ps -lA" and sort its output?
[08:58] <n2diy> the/they
[08:59] <L0cKd0wN> k
[08:59] <kiwinz_sucks> Ace, i have no idea why it's doig that to you...it works for me all the time
[08:59] <kiwinz_sucks> are you copy/pasting the commands directly?
[08:59] <riotkittie> oh well. i will try to figure this out in the a.m.   good nite all!
[08:59] <CyberCod> gnite riotkittie
[08:59] <jasin> lockdown, your problem is actually very simple to fix.
[09:00] <prince> hi
[09:00] <n2diy> riotkitties, gn, 73
[09:00] <prince> im new to ubuntu
[09:00] <kiwinz_sucks> hi prince
[09:00] <Harold> can someone help me get back into gnome
[09:00] <Ace_NoOne> kiwinz_sucks: well, I guess I'll hzst start from scratch again sometime next week
[09:00] <Ace_NoOne> thx for now
[09:00] <igcek> hwllo, which is THE BEST linux driver page on the web?
[09:00] <prince> and im having trouble with my wireless usb...
[09:00] <CyberCod> harold... are you in the black/white terminal?
[09:00] <kiwinz_sucks> sorry about that
[09:01] <Balsamic_Chicken> what does !  ops | jasin is a troll mean, is the "is a troll" part of the command?
[09:01] <Harold> yes i am cybercod
[09:01] <CyberCod> harold  try    startx
[09:01] <Harold> tried
[09:01] <leviathan> a server of jabber recomended?
[09:01] <elkbuntu> Balsamic_Chicken, it's telling us what the !ops call was for, tis all
[09:01] <Harold> didnt work
[09:01] <CyberCod> give you errors saying that it tried several times?
[09:01] <jasin> balsamic, insulting people is very immature
[09:01] <imbecile> hey guys im setting up TOR and privoxy and im stuck on one part im sure someone could easily explain the question i have is line #11   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/720/
[09:01] <Balsamic_Chicken> elkbuntu what does troll mean tho
[09:01] <Harold> yeah
[09:01] <kiwinz_sucks> Harold, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:02] <arrenlex> Balsamic_Chicken: Everything after the pipe (|) is what ubotu considers the "addressee" of the message. They put it in there to tell the ops what the problem was.
[09:02] <Balsamic_Chicken> jasin i'm not insulting anyone, i was asking about a command that was all, still learning my way around konversation
[09:02] <Jordan_U> Balsamic_Chicken: No, I added the "is a troll" part, it is just a way of alerting the channel operators that they need to do something, in this case kick somebody
[09:02] <arrenlex> Balsamic_Chicken: Annoying people with bad attitude which hang around insulting everyone and putting everyone into a bad mood.
[09:02] <jasin> balsamic, that snot a command thats an insult.
[09:02] <Balsamic_Chicken> o cool
[09:02] <jasin> balsamic, thats not a command thats an insult.
[09:02] <elkbuntu> Balsamic_Chicken, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
[09:02] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool thx everyone for the info, just wanted to know
[09:02] <Harold> i get *Starting GNOME Display Manager...
[09:02] <Harold> but it stays in the terminal
[09:02] <Balsamic_Chicken> elkbuntu thx
[09:03] <L0cKd0wN> ok here we go again
[09:03] <L0cKd0wN> brb :)
[09:03] <kiwinz_sucks> well then something's wrong with gnome
[09:03] <CyberCod> harold.. what was last thing you did in gnome?
[09:03] <kiwinz_sucks> have you changed any settings or installed anything?
[09:03] <Harold> hit Control + Alt + Backspace at the login screen
[09:03] <CyberCod> have you rebooted?
[09:03] <Harold> yes several times
[09:04] <CyberCod> harold... just on the off chance.... try Ctrl+Alt+F7
[09:04] <Harold> nothing
[09:04] <jasin> I got better things to do then to sit in here an be insulted.
[09:04] <jasin> I pray you all grow up one day
[09:04] <arrenlex> jasin: I'm glad to hear it! :D Bye
[09:04] <Jordan_U> YAY!!!
[09:04] <CyberCod> yay!!!
[09:05] <prince> could anyone please help me, i'm having trouble connecting to the net using the wireless usb adapter...
[09:05] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, CyberCod as much as i am sure you're pleased, it's not good behaviour to cheer a troll off
[09:05] <prince> tried looking up the net but couldn't find anything i could understand...
[09:05] <igcek> the best page for linux drivers?
[09:06] <CyberCod> true... sorry... he was just really getting to me... so many helpful people and here he is just being snide and condescending without helping anyone
[09:06] <imbecile> hey guys im setting up TOR and privoxy and im stuck on one part im sure someone could easily explain the question i have is what line #11 means  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/720/
[09:06] <kiwinz_sucks> prince, someone was on here earlier who just got his/her usb wireless to work...i don't know who, but they might be able to help if you can find them
[09:06] <CyberCod> prince.. what brand is it?
[09:06] <n2diy> imbecile: were is your internet connection? The only thing listed is 127.0.01, and that is your box!?
[09:07] <prince> its aztech wl630usb
[09:07] <CyberCod> prince.  have you tried ndiswrapper?
[09:07] <n2diy> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:07] <imbecile> n2diy,  that was a c/p from a tutorial
[09:07] <prince> cybercod, i looked that up but i don't understand how to do it
[09:08] <CyberCod> well, ok... you're gonna have to be open to learning a bit... but most likely it will work
[09:08] <Jordan_U> imbecile: I have never used tsocks but I belive that what that means is that if you want to run a command like FF with tor, you would type: tsocks firefox
[09:08] <n2diy> imbecile: ok, I don't know how to troubleshoot tutorials. Care to give a live example?
[09:09] <CyberCod> prince, open up synaptic package manager
[09:09] <imbecile> n2diy,  the only question i have is what to do with line 11 in the pastebin i have all else configured
[09:10] <prince> cybercod, i've been to ndiswrapper on sourceforge. but i can't find the model there. i read that most of the adapters will work on netgear drivers
[09:10] <imbecile> Jordan_U,  thanks, is there any way to have it automatically run when opening firefox?
[09:11] <gnomefreak> prince: packages.ubuntu.com has it so does the install cd
[09:11] <n2diy> imbecile: Sorry I don't know, but i don't _think_ you should be talking though <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:11] <CyberCod> ndiswrapper uses your windows drivers... it acts as a translator between linux and the windows drivers.
[09:11] <kiwinz_sucks> n2diy, i think that's how TOR plays...he doesn't connect to a real server
[09:12] <L0cKd0wN> alright something worked with that config
[09:12] <CyberCod> so you need to make sure you have the windows drivers handy
[09:12] <L0cKd0wN> think it looks improved
[09:12] <kiwinz_sucks> it's working?
[09:12] <Jordan_U> imbecile: Sort of, You can set it up so that when you choose FF from the Applications menu it will automatically do that, which is what I think you want
[09:12] <L0cKd0wN> :)
[09:12] <NoEvidenZ> imbecile: Oh man, the other day I got shitty and left when I saw someone call someone else an imbecile and tell him how to fix his problem. Now I know it was just you.
[09:12] <NoEvidenZ> YARR!
[09:12] <kiwinz_sucks> so, lockdown, here's the deal
[09:12] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: ok, I'm lost, so good luck to you guys.
[09:12] <prince> i've downloaded them onto a cd but i don't know how to install them since they have install wizards.
[09:13] <kiwinz_sucks> you need to write down your vert and horiz rates in that config file and keep them safe
[09:13] <imbecile> NoEvidenZ,  i just started trying this tonight..hehehe maybe it was someone else
[09:13] <NoEvidenZ> imbecile: In that case, I'm shitty again. *pouts*
[09:13] <L0cKd0wN> ok
[09:13] <kiwinz_sucks> whenever you reinstall ubuntu or whatever, just put those values in place of whatever is in the config file, add your resolution, and then restart
[09:13] <CyberCod> you could look for them at driverguide.com
[09:13] <NoEvidenZ> What card?
[09:14] <imbecile> hehe
[09:14] <L0cKd0wN> is there a way to anti alias or smooth fonts? or do i need to now install XGL for that?
[09:14] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: and stay on the LOW side of the H. sync rate.
[09:14] <kiwinz_sucks> no, you don't need XGL
[09:14] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: I meant V. sync rate.
[09:14] <arrenlex> L0cKd0wN: That's in your gnome settings.
[09:15] <kiwinz_sucks> it's in system > preferences > font
[09:15] <CyberCod> be back in a minute... going to make a cup of tea
[09:15] <kiwinz_sucks> yeah, i've had issues before when i messed upt he refresh rates
[09:16] <Jordan_U> L0cKd0wN: XGL won't do anything regular xorg can't do unless you have certain ATI cards, and even then all it will help you do is run compiz / beryl
[09:16] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: yep, drive the V. sync rate to hard/fast, and poof, you'll let the magic smoke out of something.
[09:16] <kiwinz_sucks> probably best settings are: Best Shape , Grayscale, Medium, and RGB
[09:17] <L0cKd0wN> ok well special thanks to kiwinz_sucks for sticking it through with me
[09:17] <L0cKd0wN> this is as good as its looked tonight so far, it's readable :)
[09:17] <kiwinz_sucks> i only know what to do because i've been through way too many lousy tutorials
[09:18] <kiwinz_sucks> ubuntuforums.org sucks for getting help--too much confusion
[09:18] <prince> gnomefreak : i've downloaded ndiswrapper from the site u gave me, i will be burning them to a cd and installing from the cd. should i use the add/remove applications or the synaptic package manager?
[09:19] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: spend an afternoon googling monitor repair, it is enlightening.
[09:19] <L0cKd0wN> i find that the support site is for an ideal scenario where everything is supposed to work, i wish i lived in that magical land where a migration to a new OS was smooth lol
[09:19] <kiwinz_sucks> yeah, i agree.  i can tell you, though, after finally taking the "linux dive," i find it WAY easier to maintain than windows
[09:20] <kiwinz_sucks> you figure stuff out once, and the rest is easy
[09:20] <n2diy> kiwinz_sucks: and that is why you hang out here, no/
[09:20] <n2diy> no?
[09:20] <L0cKd0wN> yea im not completely dumb in this stuff, i've played with fedora for 1.5 years so i have reasonable experience doing basic things in the tty
[09:20] <kiwinz_sucks> sure
[09:21] <Jordan_U> L0cKd0wN: For future reference, it is a much smoother transition if you buy hardware that is known to be linux compatible
[09:21] <kiwinz_sucks> there are some pretty awesome linux pre-builts out there...problem is they don't get the same hardware deals as Dell and the others, so they're a bit more expensive than you'd think
[09:22] <L0cKd0wN> yea, couldn't pass up a Black Friday special in Office Depot at 4am tho
[09:22] <Jordan_U> L0cKd0wN: And the next version of Ubuntu will come with Nvidia drivers installed to make that a non issue hopefully :)
[09:22] <n2diy> Jordan_U: yes, or trash pick it, old hardware work better then new, with linux
[09:22] <CyberCod> i thought ndiswrapper was in the repos???
[09:22] <L0cKd0wN> when's the next version of ubuntu due?
[09:22] <kiwinz_sucks> does anyone know if feisty is going to include restricted modules and nvidia?  i want my wireless back  :(
[09:22] <arrenlex> !feisty | L0cKd0wN
[09:22] <prince> CyberCod: whats repos?
[09:22] <ubotu> L0cKd0wN: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[09:22] <kiwinz_sucks> April
[09:22] <L0cKd0wN> cute bot
[09:22] <L0cKd0wN> heh
[09:22] <arrenlex> Ubotu is God.
[09:22] <Jordan_U> L0cKd0wN: I know what you mean, I use a macbook pro only because I got it for free :)
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is God. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <arrenlex> xD
[09:23] <L0cKd0wN> lol
[09:23] <n2diy> arrenlex: nooo, he broke down this afternoon.
[09:23] <kiwinz_sucks> ubotu is far from God
[09:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is far from God - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <arrenlex> n2diy: What?! Impossible!
[09:23] <n2diy> arrenlex: nooo, he was down, for an hour.
[09:23] <kiwinz_sucks> did you get your fonts working lockdown
[09:24] <toulouse> !love
[09:24] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[09:24] <Pie-rate> I wish wine was better
[09:24] <CyberCod> prince... the ubuntu repositories used with apt-get and synaptic
[09:24] <toulouse> Pie-rate: me too
[09:24] <toulouse> play games and such
[09:25] <n2diy> Pie_rate: me too, that is why I drink beer.
[09:25] <toulouse> lol
[09:25] <prince> CyberCod: oh ok.
[09:25] <Jordan_U> lol
[09:25] <L0cKd0wN> kiwinz_sucks, yea still getting used to the way everything is rendered, i still have the feeling its a few pixels narrow, but definitely acceptable
[09:25] <CyberCod> prince... yes they are... ndiswrapper-utils and ndisgtk
[09:25] <kiwinz_sucks> i used to hate the way ubuntu did fonts
[09:25] <kiwinz_sucks> then i booted back into Windows to play some CoD2 for a bit
[09:25] <kiwinz_sucks> and WOW
[09:25] <kiwinz_sucks> i can't believe those ever looked good to me
[09:26] <wyld> what is dual head mode?
[09:26] <harrisony> wyld: in what context
[09:26] <CyberCod> wyld two monitors..
[09:26] <Jordan_U> wyld: I believe it is when you have two monitors
[09:26] <arrenlex> wyld: MultiHead is a common name for using multiple monitors (heads) at the same time. This can be multiple heads on one videocard, multiple videocards in one computer or even 'distributed' multihead covering multiple computers. Also known as DualHead when there are exactly two heads.
[09:26] <n2diy> wyld: two monitor, and one box?
[09:26] <harrisony> the tribe has spoken
[09:26] <wyld> graphics cards: dual head mode: activated
[09:27] <NoEvidenZ> How do I tell what version my shell is?
[09:27] <prince> CyberCod: so now i've downloaded ndiswrapper and the windows driver of the adapter. i will have to burn onto a disc to install it. should i use the add remove applications or the synaptic package manager?
[09:27] <n2diy> monitor/monitors
[09:27] <CyberCod> synaptic
[09:27] <arrenlex> NoEvidenZ: sh --version
[09:27] <kiwinz_sucks> help > about
[09:27] <wyld> wow, thanks you all
[09:27] <CyberCod> get both ndiswrapper-utils and ndisgtk
[09:27] <NoEvidenZ> arrenlex: Ah yeah.
[09:27] <CyberCod> prince... does the windows driver include an .inf file?
[09:27] <kiwinz_sucks> i'd actually suggest ndiswrapper-utils-1.8
[09:27] <kiwinz_sucks> tends to work better
[09:27] <Flannel> So, I just installed (dapper) using LVM, /boot is not on LVM, / and /etc are their own logical volumes, on first boot I get "INIT: no inittab file found" and am then asked which runlevel I'd like.  How do I fix this?
[09:28] <Jordan_U> arrenlex: Will that work with feisty not using bash for sh?
[09:28] <arrenlex> Jordan_U: ...nope. My apologies. I'm not running ubuntu. Doesn't work for dash.
[09:28] <LucianSolaris> ug, how do i remove bcm43xx module and get ndiswrapper to autoload?
[09:28] <prince> CyberCod : yes it has an .inf file
[09:28] <Flannel> Jordan_U, change the first line to bash instead of sh
[09:28] <NoEvidenZ> Is there a way to change the size of my TTY?
[09:28] <LucianSolaris> anyone?
[09:28] <CyberCod> kiwinz_sucks   ndiswrapper-utils in repos is 1.8
[09:28] <n2diy> Flannel: I don't know but does run level 5 work?
[09:28] <Jordan_U> arrenlex: Out of curiosity, debian?
[09:29] <arrenlex> Jordan_U: Yep.
[09:29] <kiwinz_sucks> didn't know that, it didn't used to be
[09:29] <LucianSolaris>
[09:29] <CyberCod> they get updated all the time
[09:29] <L0cKd0wN> yea fonts look clean, just unusual to a newcomer
[09:29] <rizenine> How do I change IRQ's? I have ndiswrapper saying it's using irq 177 and acpi is saying it's using 177 as well. Then all of a sudden the kernel sends a message that it disabled irq 177.
[09:29] <LucianSolaris> ANYONE: how do I remove the module: bcm43xx and autoload ndiswrapper as a module?
[09:29] <L0cKd0wN> i should be grateful that nothing is actually seriously wrong with the installation :)
[09:29] <jimbob> can anyone help. USB mouse stops working after a few min on laptop. Touchpad still works
[09:29] <kiwinz_sucks> indeed
[09:29] <CyberCod> i tend to do things the hard way only when there is no other option
[09:30] <kiwinz_sucks> i'm going to make an image of this install while i sleep
[09:30] <kiwinz_sucks> that way i don't have to worry about messing stuff up
[09:30] <L0cKd0wN> jesus
[09:30] <L0cKd0wN> its 3:30 am
[09:30] <L0cKd0wN> where does the time go? :\
[09:30] <LucianSolaris> can anyone help me?
[09:30] <arrenlex> L0cKd0wN: It's a conspiracy. The Government is stealing your time.
[09:30] <Jordan_U> LucianSolaris: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[09:30] <kiwinz_sucks> sorry it took so long, lockdown
[09:31] <L0cKd0wN> heh hardly your fault
[09:31] <L0cKd0wN> im sure it'll grow on me
[09:31] <L0cKd0wN> :)
[09:31] <L0cKd0wN> i hope nvidia stuff becomes more automated as development continues
[09:31] <jimbob> * can anyone help. USB mouse stops working after a few min on laptop. Touchpad still works *
[09:31] <wyld> did you check the cable?
[09:31] <rizenine> LucianSolaris put it in the black list.
[09:31] <n2diy> LOckdOwN: thanks for the reminder, same here. Time is relative, it doesn't go anywhere.
[09:31] <jimbob> yes
[09:31] <Flannel> n2diy, no.  no matter hat I pick I get "no more jobs at this runlevel"
[09:31] <jimbob> it seems to be a common problem
[09:31] <L0cKd0wN> lol
[09:31] <CyberCod> there's a nice script for installing proprietary nvidia drivers called envy... thats about as automated as you can get
[09:32] <n2diy> Flannel: startx?
[09:32] <iratsu_> what's a good way to benchmark internet uplink?
[09:32] <metres> Hi all
[09:32] <prince> thanx CyberCod gnomefreak n kiwinz_sucks... i'm gonna try installing the drivers...
[09:32] <kiwinz_sucks> cool
[09:32] <perky_> g'day, my usb drive doesn't automount, and I get a "failed to initialize HAL!" error every time i boot.. any ideas?
[09:33] <CyberCod> prince... you know how?
[09:33] <perky_> edgy 64bit
[09:33] <n2diy> ! HAL
[09:33] <CyberCod> too late
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about HAL - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <Flannel> n2diy, linux hasn't booted yet.  So, startx wouldn't do any good, even if I had a GUI installed ;)
[09:33] <kiwinz_sucks> hah...64bit...that's why i don't use 64bit
[09:33] <perky_> :/
[09:33] <perky_> is it a common prob related to 64bit?
[09:33] <CyberCod> 64 bit does seem to be more trouble than it is worth
[09:33] <perky_> everything works except this.. i can manually mount..
[09:34] <arrenlex> perky_: The "hal" package is installed?
[09:34] <n2diy> Flannel: and still no run jobs available?
[09:34] <Pie-rate> man, rendering battle.net in firefox is a time consuming process, apparently.
[09:34] <arrenlex> perky_: And the "pmount" package?
[09:34] <kiwinz_sucks> perky, HAL is the usb hotplug
[09:34] <jimbob> who can help with with a usb mouse problem on a laptop?
[09:34] <Jordan_U> perky_: I don't see why being 64 bit would effect HAL
[09:34] <Flannel> n2diy: no matter which runlevel I choose, correct.
[09:34] <kiwinz_sucks> try adding it to mtab of fstab manually
[09:34] <perky_> arrenlex, both are installed
[09:34] <metres> I have an encoding problem... when I lock screen, the resulting login shows encoding error (my name is wrongly written)
[09:34] <Pie-rate> must be blizzard's habit of overusing flash and making ridiculous dhtml(or maybe even flash?) menus
[09:34] <n2diy> Flannel: did we try init 5
[09:35] <Jordan_U> jimbob: Ask your question and if anybody knows they will try to help
[09:35] <perky_> posted in ubuntuforums.. hopefully someone will eventually respond :)
[09:35] <kiwinz_sucks> metres, how does it show up in System > Administration > Users ?
[09:35] <metres> right
[09:36] <Flannel> n2diy, I already told you.  Regardless of what runlevel I chose.
[09:36] <metres> I mean correct
[09:36] <kiwinz_sucks> that's weird
[09:36] <n2diy> Flannel: ok, I'm old and forgetful, just double checking. :)
[09:37] <CyberCod> its never a good thing when the linux guru says "thats weird" lol
[09:37] <kiwinz_sucks> metres, can you edit your properties in the Users dialog
[09:37] <kiwinz_sucks> see if it's wrong in one of those places?
[09:37] <n2diy> CyberCod: noo, that is when you have them hooked!
[09:38] <Flannel> n2diy, I booted the liveCD, and /etc all looks sane, fstab looks good (although, I'm not sure what a 'good' LVM fstab looks like), inittab is there, as are runlevels.  It's just as if it's not mounting /etc or something.
[09:38] <jimbob> my mouse stops responding after a few min. when this happens all usb devices when pluggin in stop working. the only way to get working is restart the pc. but the touchpad still works without a problem
[09:38] <CyberCod> n2diy good point
[09:38] <kiwinz_sucks> jimbob, does another USB port work?
[09:38] <jimbob> nope.
[09:39] <metres> kiwinz_sucks : when I tryed creating another user with an  it said wrong caracter in username... but mine is set correctly
[09:39] <n2diy> Flannel: I'm lost, I hate to say it but have you re-booted?
[09:39] <CyberCod> jimbob  is this during constant use or when pc is idle?
[09:39] <Flannel> n2diy, every time I enter a runlevel ;)  it stops accepting input
[09:39] <n2diy> CyberCod: :) Now reel them in!
[09:39] <kiwinz_sucks> you tried a "?" in the name?  that might be why
[09:39] <jimbob> constant use. it's sitting there atm working but as soon as i use it after about 30 sec it stops.
[09:40] <jimbob> but the touchpad still works
[09:40] <mainer> irq conflict?
[09:40] <n2diy> Flannel: yuck, a very bad sign.
[09:40] <kiwinz_sucks> perky_ i'd just try reinstalling HAL through synaptic
[09:41] <perky_> ok
[09:41] <n2diy> be right back
[09:41] <metres> kiwinz_sucks : not a "?"  an "e" with an accent :
[09:41] <Flannel> n2diy, shrug.  It's a fresh install.  What did I install wrong?  /boot isn't on LVM, / and /etc are (on separate logical volumes), which... from what I've gathered is ... doable, google just can't tell me how.
[09:41] <StarScream> hey guys, got a dapper server...i'm trying to expose mysql to the outside world...i've allowed it via firewall and in my.cnf the bind-address is commented out...what other magic do i need to do to get ubuntu to allow me to expose mysql
[09:41] <jimbob> the mouse works without a problem in windows. only in ubuntu 6.10. when i used 6.06 it worked without a problem
[09:42] <StarScream> i've granted access
[09:42] <StarScream> to %
[09:42] <StarScream> for my db
[09:42] <metres> kiwinz_sucks : ? and  are at the same place on an us keyboard....
[09:42] <Pie-rate> whoopsie, good thing i keep my computer password protected and locked down... shred -u Firefox-wallpaper.png before my parents see the thumbnail :)
[09:42] <StarScream> but it says my ip isn't allows to access the db
[09:42] <kiwinz_sucks> metres, so then i take it that e is what's showing up wrong?
[09:42] <metres> yes
[09:43] <kiwinz_sucks> what language are you typing in
[09:43] <metres> french
[09:43] <metres> iso-8859-1
[09:43] <metres> keyboard layout: canadian multilingual
[09:44] <CyberCod> metres...perhaps a font setting for the screen lock is the culprit
[09:44] <CyberCod> if there is one
[09:44] <kiwinz_sucks> could be the font, yeah
[09:45] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do make my windows looking like the window vista windows, cuz right now, in beryl when i pick an vista theme, i get the transparent tab alright, but everything under it is normal white color, i like how vista has the line (right below the transparent tabs) that contains:file, edit, insert, etc, black, how could i do that
[09:45] <Pie-rate> meh. no one likes the french, just get a different keyboard.
[09:45] <kiwinz_sucks> i don't know when ubuntu starts to look at the fonts, though, so it could be that his language support is allowing him to type it in and see it in gnome, but then it's just not reading it during startup
[09:46] <kiwinz_sucks> balsamic, are you talking about a GNOME theme?
[09:46] <kiwinz_sucks> gnome-look.org, look under the metacity 2.x themes
[09:46] <CyberCod> metres.. this is during the screen lock?  at the login screen? or lockout on the screensaver?
[09:46] <metres> CyberCod : only on the login after a screen lock
[09:47] <CyberCod> but not during the initial login
[09:47] <RichW> I need a favour from you guys, if you are running beryl/compiz with a ati card, could you post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to http://pastebin.ca and give me the link?
[09:47] <metres> My name doesnt appear on the initial login...
[09:47] <CyberCod> ah yes... silly of me
[09:48] <CyberCod> you could try locking out with screensaver... just create a launcher to start the screensaver and put it in your panel.
[09:48] <RichW> bPlease??
[09:48] <CyberCod> metres does it keep you from logging back in?
[09:48] <kiwinz_sucks> richw, what problem are you having?
[09:49] <RichW> just trying to get my ati card working with compiz so i want to check my conf file with someone elses.
[09:49] <metres> richw :  http://pastebin.ca/309125
[09:50] <metres> CyberCod : what do you mean ?
[09:50] <RichW> metres: thanks.. il look at it.
[09:50] <kiwinz_sucks> Beryl > Compiz  :)
[09:50] <CyberCod> RichW... wanna know how I got my compiz working when I had an ati card??? I got an nvidia one :)
[09:50] <metres> CyberCod : I am able to log back
[09:50] <CyberCod> metres  so it is only cosmetic?
[09:50] <n2diy> Flannel:  I don't know what went wrong.
[09:51] <RichW> metres: beryl or compiz work fine with your box?
[09:51] <metres> CyberCod : yes but I also tried to sign with gpg and my name wasnt right there too
[09:51] <metres> RichW : beryl with free driver 8.28
[09:51] <RichW> CyberCod: I have a spare nvidia one but its not as powerful.. nvidia 6200
[09:52] <CyberCod> richw... thats much better than the card I'm using... 4200TI
[09:52] <RichW> CyberCod: I have ati 9800pro
[09:52] <RichW> CyberCod: 9800 pro beats the cheapo nvidia one easy ;)
[09:52] <CyberCod> You're welcome to send me the nvidia you're not using
[09:52] <CyberCod> :D
[09:53] <RichW> CyberCod: ATI drivers suck
[09:53] <CyberCod> agreed
[09:53] <kiwinz_sucks> i've not had one good experience with ati
[09:53] <CyberCod> but since they were bought out they may improve
[09:53] <kiwinz_sucks> countless video cards, two tv cards...
[09:53] <kiwinz_sucks> horrible company
[09:53] <CyberCod> just give it a little time
[09:53] <CyberCod> horrible company that is under new management
[09:53] <RichW> When i ran vista... it would not do 3D with my ati but the nvidia was fine... i have all sorts of problems with ati
[09:53] <n2diy> Who bought out ATI?
[09:53] <CyberCod> AMD
[09:53] <metres> RichW :  I had to install this version : http://linux.punkforjesus.com/beryl/beryl-0.1.4.tar.gz im on amd 64
[09:54] <elyon225> Anyone know how to correct a problem with the syncing of DVD audio with the video?
[09:54] <n2diy> Hmmm?
[09:54] <CyberCod> AMD bought them a couple months back
[09:54] <metres> RichW :  doesnt work with the latest beryl depot
[09:54] <kiwinz_sucks> elyon-- try using libdvdcss2 and vlc
[09:54] <CyberCod> if you look at their site now... its green
[09:54] <Aiminghigh> hi, i need to use a configure option in apt-get, how would i do this?
[09:54] <RichW> metres: thanks, I have a model - config file now :)
[09:55] <Aiminghigh> like i need to reinstall a program but only beacuse i need to change one configure option
[09:55] <RichW> metres: what ati card you running?
[09:55] <metres> x1600
[09:56] <CyberCod> aiminghigh... you may just be able to delete its folder in your home directory ... in a couple instances it has reset some programs to default for me
[09:56] <elyon225> kiwinz_sucks: Already have those installed.
[09:56] <CyberCod> look for .whatever in your home folder... cut and paste it to somewhere else so you don't lose it if it don't work
[09:57] <RichW> Anyone else running a ATI card with beryl or compiz?
[09:57] <kiwinz_sucks> elyon, is it with EVERY dvd?
[09:57] <kiwinz_sucks> you can change the audio sync in the preferences
[09:57] <kiwinz_sucks> it's a trial and error process, but it's not too tough, and it works
[09:57] <elyon225> kiwinz_sucks: Yes.
[09:59] <sjgruby> czesc
[09:59] <sjgruby> hello
[10:00] <LucianSolaris> ALL: hey, anyone with wifi (or experience),  what is the best, most functional, wifi scanner and manager program?
[10:01] <LucianSolaris> ALL: i need a recommendation (knetworkmanager don't detect my wifi (defaults to ethernet) and kwifimanager just plain sux)
[10:02] <LucianSolaris> damn, no one is up???!!
[10:02] <mainer> wifi-radar?
[10:02] <CyberCod> hello
[10:03] <LucianSolaris> wifi-radar?  i'll give it a go
[10:03] <CyberCod> prince... how is that going?
[10:03] <prince> hi cybercod
[10:03] <LucianSolaris> this is BOTH a scanner and manager?
[10:03] <mainer> afaik
[10:04] <prince> i've installed ndiswrapper and ndisgtk. but i don't know how to use them to install the windows driver
[10:04] <CyberCod> prince... you get your wireless workin?
[10:04] <CyberCod> ok... you got the drivers? not packed up?
[10:05] <prince> nope ive unzipped it.
[10:05] <CyberCod> good
[10:05] <CyberCod> you in ubuntu now?
[10:05] <prince> nope i'm in windows. i've only got one monitor so i have to unplug ang plug it into the other computer
[10:06] <CyberCod> ok... on ubuntu, click System>Administration>Windows Wireless Drivers
[10:07] <prince> CyberCod ok. from there?
[10:07] <CyberCod> then it will come up with a window... you'll click browse, and browse to where you've got the drivers saved... make sure not on a cd... copy them somewhere permanent...
[10:07] <prince> ok
[10:07] <CyberCod> you'll want to select file ending in .inf
[10:07] <prince> i went through the driver files. the only file with .inf is autorun.inf
[10:07] <prince> is that it?
[10:08] <CyberCod> if there is more than one, try them out until you get one that says Hardware Detected
[10:08] <CyberCod> once you got that, you should be able to go into System>Administration>Networking and see wlan0 there... that'll be your wireless
[10:08] <Flannel> So, I just installed (dapper) using LVM, /boot is not on LVM, / and /etc are their own logical volumes, init stuff and fstab both look normalish, on boot I get "INIT: no inittab file found" and am then asked which runlevel I'd like.  How do I fix this? or what's the problem?
[10:09] <CyberCod> it is actually "Hardware Present: Yes" or "Hardware Present: No"
[10:09] <prince> CyberCod oh ok.
[10:10] <CyberCod> come back let me know if it worked
[10:10] <prince> CyberCod: sure.
[10:10] <CyberCod> you'll need to configure the card in "Networking" to work with your router
[10:10] <prince> CyberCod: thanx again. brb.
[10:10] <CyberCod> kk
[10:13] <Pie-rate> is there a program that reads from stdin and writes to the gnome copy/paste buffer?
[10:15] <RichW> Pie-rate: sounds like something you could write up in python
[10:15] <RichW> or perl
[10:18] <jirwin> hey there
[10:18] <LucianSolaris> ALL: hey, how do I get knetworkmanager to show me my wireless (eth0 via ndiswrapper)?
[10:18] <jirwin> This may not be the place to ask this, but I will try.
[10:19] <jirwin> I just got my ati drivers working with dual head in edgy
[10:19] <jirwin> the only problem
[10:19] <jirwin> when I play a video or sound when I have dual heads enableed I get this error: [00000288]  alsa audio output error: write failed (Broken pipe)
[10:19] <jirwin> anyone have any ideas of what may be causing this?
[10:22] <metal03> Hi there
[10:22] <CyberCod> lucian, your wireless should be wlan0
[10:23] <CyberCod> jirwin... it didn't do that before?
[10:24] <RichW> CyberCod: it varies.. mines ra0 :P
[10:24] <LucianSolaris> it isn't
[10:24] <LucianSolaris> never has been
[10:24] <LucianSolaris> it's eth0
[10:24] <LucianSolaris> my realtek lan device is eth1
[10:25] <LucianSolaris> now, for some reason, knetworkmanager seems to overlook eth0 as an enabled device
[10:25] <LucianSolaris> how do i force knetworkmanager to see eth0 as a wireless network device (it's covered eth1 as a 'wired' device)
[10:25] <LucianSolaris> so i don't have to run some ugly ass gtk app
[10:26] <CyberCod> sorry... lucian... wish I could help
[10:26] <CyberCod> i know nothing about kde
[10:27] <LucianSolaris> ugh
[10:28] <alink1000> where can i find some codecs/firefox plugins to support mpeg files?
[10:28] <alink1000> :)
[10:28] <jirwin> CyberCod: no it didn't
[10:29] <shack_> alink1000: install software called automatix
[10:29] <Phuzion> I need to install TCL for Eggdrop, whats the easiest way to do so?
[10:29] <jirwin> CyberCod: and it goes away once I change my xorg.conf back
[10:29] <alink1000> Where can I find it at, shack_?
[10:29] <shack_> just a moment
[10:29] <alink1000> k
[10:30] <CyberCod> jirwin... compare the two xorg.conf files... make sure nothing is changed except for video related stuff
[10:30] <shack_> check system-administraion-synaptic package manager
[10:30] <shack_> and seach automatix/automatix2
[10:30] <jirwin> CyberCod: will do.
[10:30] <shack_> it should be there
[10:30] <Flannel> shack_, please don't recommed automatix.
[10:31] <shack_> why? it's been working for me
[10:31] <Flannel> !worksforme
[10:31] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[10:31] <Phuzion> !automatix
[10:31] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:31] <CuriousCat> that's strange. the java applets on firefox 2 doesn't seem to work all of a sudden.
[10:31] <shack_> !automatix2
[10:31] <shack_> nothin ;)
[10:31] <shack_> g*
[10:31] <Phuzion> Yeah, its essentially the same thing
[10:31] <CuriousCat> can anyone point me to the directory where the plugins are? i'm using edgy
[10:32] <alink1000> ?
[10:32] <Phuzion> My personal suggestion: Don't install Automatix
[10:32] <alink1000> system-administraion-synaptic package manager
[10:32] <Slart> CuriousCat: I think there are several dirs for plugins.. one per user and one global
[10:32] <alink1000> what's that?
[10:32] <alink1000> check it where?
[10:32] <CraZy675> I have a ubuntu lamp server and i am trying to apt-get gd, but its asking me to put in the cd-rom, how do i set it to download from the repos?
[10:32] <Flannel> CraZy675, remove the CDrom (comment it out) from your sources.list
[10:33] <jirwin> CyberCod: a diff of the two files: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/620
[10:33] <Phuzion> CraZy675: go to /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out/delete the cdrom repo, then do sudo apt-get update
[10:33] <CraZy675> Flannel: thanks
[10:33] <alink1000> shack_?
[10:33] <jirwin> CyberCod: it looks to be fine to me
[10:33] <Flannel> !mpeg | alink1000
[10:33] <ubotu> alink1000: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:33] <shack> alink1000, i've been told not to recommend it, so follow flannel's instructions
[10:33] <LucianSolaris> now, i need either: knetworkmanager to see my eth0 wifi OR a better, more extensive, wifi scanner/viewer/manager (think netstumbler with management capabilities) that doesn't look like gnome ass
[10:33] <CraZy675> awe that was so easy
[10:33] <alink1000> k
[10:33] <CraZy675> awesome
[10:34] <timbobsteve> hey all
[10:35] <LucianSolaris> anyone?
[10:36] <LucianSolaris> now, i need either: knetworkmanager to see my eth0 wifi OR a better, more extensive, wifi scanner/viewer/manager (think netstumbler with management capabilities) that doesn't look like gnome ass
[10:36] <Flannel> !repeat | LucianSolaris
[10:36] <ubotu> LucianSolaris: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:37] <timbobsteve> can anyone help me diagnose a problem I am having? Out of the blue my machine started taking a ridiculous amount of time to open X applications. e.g. it now takes 20 seconds to open gnome-terminal.... and it never did before. Are there any logs that I can look at to help find what the problem is?
[10:37] <Ribs> timbobsteve, run 'top' and see if all your CPU is being eaten up by something
[10:37] <Phuzion> timbobsteve: possible memory leak on something?
[10:37] <Gyro54> Hi all
[10:38] <flo> how can i foundout if my sistem realy uses direct rendering? cedega says it doesn't
[10:38] <abyssinia2> 11
[10:38] <Gyro54> Can anyone suggest the best method to run a Creative Zen Vision M on Edgy?
[10:38] <timbobsteve> Ribs: top says that there is only 4% CPU usage... and that is Xorg using that
[10:39] <Ribs> run top as root?
[10:39] <Ribs> timbobsteve, I know this is very 'window-ish' -- but have you tried rebooting?
[10:39] <magic_ninja> whats up
[10:39] <Ribs> my guess is *something* is screwing around there
[10:39] <Ribs> it's a worry top isn't seeing it
[10:40] <timbobsteve> Ribs: Rebooting doesn't help... and Xorg is still the highest CPU user (when running top as root)....
[10:40] <Ribs> the only time that really happens is if top has been replaced with a altered version :/
[10:40] <jirwin> CyberCod: any ideas?
[10:40] <Ribs> timbobsteve, does this machine have any servers on it?
[10:40] <Ribs> even sshd or something
[10:40] <timbobsteve> Ribs: from the CLI apps respond at a normal rate, but all apps in X takes forever to load....
[10:40] <alink1000> I don't see software properties in administration, just software sources..
[10:41] <alink1000> =|
[10:41] <Ribs> oh, hrm
[10:41] <Ribs> that's... odd
[10:41] <alink1000> and it doesn't look the same
[10:41] <alink1000> as it says in the wiki
[10:41] <Flannel> alink1000, that's what it should be.  It's S.P. in dapper, S.S. in edgy
[10:41] <alink1000> maybe it's different in 6.10?
[10:41] <Ribs> timbobsteve, which video driver are you using?
[10:41] <alink1000> ah
[10:41] <timbobsteve> Ribs: I had sshd and xinetd... but I shut them down... I also killed all the vmware services (I have VMWare Workstation on this machine)
[10:41] <timbobsteve> Ribs: open radeon driver
[10:41] <Flannel> alink1000, might look a bit different, but the general process is the same
[10:41] <Ribs> does swapping to vesa fix it?
[10:42] <alink1000> k
[10:42] <timbobsteve> Ribs: will have to check... brb.. gotta kill gaim
[10:42] <Ribs> k
[10:44] <Peebo> Well for the first time in 10 years Linux has disappointed me. There does not seem to be a Linux equivalent of dvdshrink.
[10:44] <StarScream> Peebo: you haven't looked hard enough :)
[10:45] <StarScream> Peebo: google will help you
[10:45] <n30n> what do i have to do to play .rm files (real media)
[10:45] <Peebo> StarScream, It ha not dvdrip, acid rip not even close to the fuctionality of DVDshrink
[10:45] <StarScream> n30n: real media player
[10:45] <Ribs> Peebo, http://mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/ -- seriously, first hit on google dude (if you don't mind using wine)
[10:45] <StarScream> google for Linux DVD Shrink
[10:46] <n30n> StarScream: Is that availible for ubuntu
[10:46] <Peebo> WINE is not f*cking LInux
[10:46] <StarScream> n30n: yes...from real networks site
[10:46] <StarScream> Peebo: next link down
[10:46] <StarScream> Peebo: k9copy
[10:46] <Peebo> Running windoze software is not running LInux software
[10:47] <StarScream> k9 copy isn't windows software.
[10:47] <CVirus> sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /home/cvirus/file.img /media/cdrom/ .... Isnt this the proper way to mount a .img file ?
[10:47] <Peebo> StarScream, I had heard of k9copy. Forgot about it in the mist of lies told about dvdrip
[10:47] <CuriousCat> Peebo: closest one to dvdshrink is this: http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/single/
[10:48] <roryy> CVirus: if it's an iso 9660 image, yes. They typically have extension .iso, though
[10:48] <CuriousCat> What i need is to change avi, mpg, etc... to DVD
[10:48] <CuriousCat> or even VCD
[10:48] <StarScream> CuriousCat: transcode or ffmpeg
[10:48] <StarScream> CuriousCat: there are some apps in the ubuntu repos
[10:48] <StarScream> dvd something
[10:48] <CuriousCat> ah. thanks StarScream
[10:48] <roryy> CVirus: try running 'file /home/cvirus/file.img' to see what sort of file it is
[10:48] <CVirus> roryy: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[10:49] <Flannel> I just installed (dapper) using LVM, everything is on LVM except /boot, when I boot I get "INIT: no inittab file found" and am then asked which runlevel I'd like.  How do I fix this? or what's the problem?
[10:49] <roryy> CVirus: odds are it's not an ISO image then, but something else.  I'm not familiar with all the cd image types (bin/cue/...)
[10:49] <n30n> so the real.com site let me download a .bin file, what do i do with that to install real player
[10:50] <kd7swh> It seems that I have loaded my notebook full of crap I don't even use again and it is lagging quite badly do you guys think I should wait til Feisty Fawn to do a reinstall?
[10:50] <Flannel> !real | n30n
[10:50] <ubotu> n30n: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:52] <CyberCod> curiouscat.... funny that you should mention it... i was just reading this page on dvd authoring in linux  http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/06/122323.php
[10:52] <CVirus> roryy: image.img: data
[10:52] <roryy> CVirus: that means file doesn't know what sort of file it is
[10:53] <CVirus> roryy: so ?
[10:53] <Ribs> timbobsteve, any luck?
[10:53] <timbobsteve> Ribs: no go... I also took the time to disable AIGLX as well... still no difference
[10:53] <L0cKd0wN> does thunar work under ubuntu
[10:53] <Peebo> CuriousCat, There is nothing there that does what DVDshrink does, BUT k9copy does read like it is a contender, running apt-get now
[10:53] <roryy> CVirus: you'll need to find out from the source of this file what sort of data it is
[10:53] <CuriousCat> CyberCod: hmm. interesting.
[10:53] <gnomefreak> L0cKd0wN: yes
[10:54] <Ribs> timbobsteve, I honestly have no idea at this point... Can you run a gui app from terminal and see if anything gets spit out?
[10:54] <L0cKd0wN> gnomefreak, do i apt-get it?
[10:54] <CVirus> roryy: it is supposed to be a CD Image !
[10:54] <break_> OS: Windows Millenium 4.90 (Build #3000) CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4400+, 2.21 GHz, 1024KB Video: Direct3D HAL (1152x864x24bpp 85hz) Sound: Realtek ALC850 rev 0 Memory: Used: 398/1011MB Uptime: 12h 54m 23s HD: Free: 112.36 GB/134.55 GB Connection: ra0 @ 0 bps (Rec: 3044.41MB Sent: 130.35MB)
[10:54] <timbobsteve> yeh tried that when I used 'time' to time the speed of opening an app
[10:54] <gnomefreak> L0cKd0wN: yeah install it first
[10:54] <break_> hahahaahaha, windows ME rofl
[10:54] <roryy> CVirus: you need to find out what sort of cd image
[10:55] <CyberCod> well ppl... i've got to get some sleep
[10:55] <|Sora|> there is no themes for ubuntu that can make window titles transparent, right?
[10:55] <Ribs> timbobsteve, I guess somehow your xorg install has become fubar
[10:55] <timbobsteve> damn :(
[10:55] <CyberCod>                   goodnight all
[10:55] <Ribs> timbobsteve, Try a livecd to remove any doubts about your hardware
[10:56] <Peebo> Quickly before it completes downloading k9copy is downloading some KDE libs, tell me it's not going to install KDE on my computer and that it will run under gnome
[10:56] <Ribs> timbobsteve, then I'd suggest a reinstall
[10:56] <Ribs> Peebo, It will run under gnome
[10:56] <Ribs> Peebo, But it is a KDE application
[10:57] <Peebo> Ribs, 23Meg D/L that unpacks to 84Meg please tell me it's not installing KDE on my machine
[10:57] <Ribs> Peebo, If you want to run a KDE based application, it will need some KDE parts to work
[10:57] <Ribs> that's a given
[10:58] <Peebo> Ribs, I'm OK with some KDE parts, but I don't want that butt ugly mother of a thing taking over my desktop
[10:59] <Ribs> I doubt it will 'take over'
[10:59] <Ribs> the only KDE app I use is Amarok, and that plays fairly nicely
[10:59] <Peebo> Ribs, Fingers crossed
[11:01] <Peebo> Ribs, Just out of curiosity how easy is it to switch between KDE and Gnome if you installed both ?
[11:01] <Ribs> you just select which session you want from your login manager
[11:02] <Ribs> however, you'll find both sets of applications in your menus
[11:02] <Ribs> and it's generally a bit messy
[11:02] <Peebo> Kewl, I've used Linux for just over 10 years but it has always been console based, I played every now and then with X but never had a use for it.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> edit your munes and you wont have that problem :)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> menus*
[11:03] <prince> hi everyone
[11:04] <Peebo> Ok here goes nothing k9copy has just installed BBL
[11:04] <prince> i need help with my wireless connection.
[11:05] <prince> i've downloaded ndiswrapper-utils. but can't install it.
[11:05] <|Sora|> Is there any way in ubuntu that can make window titles transparent?
[11:06] <metal03> Anyone here available to give a few pointers to a Linux beginner?
[11:07] <Jowi> |Sora|, Beryl/Compiz is a 3d accelerated window manager
[11:08] <Jowi> !beryl
[11:08] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:08] <|Sora|> there is no other way?
[11:08] <|Sora|> like from themes?
[11:08] <metal03> If anyone is available to explain a few things about ubuntu, I'd apreciate it!
[11:09] <wolfgang> metal03: shoot
[11:09] <jpjacobs> metal03, yeah sure: first of all read the docs before doing/trying stuff. and there is a starters page on the ubuntu-wiki if i'm not mistaken.
[11:09] <kane77> metal03, might try
[11:09] <Jowi> |Sora|, there are some "fake" transparencies in a couple of window managers, but in Gnome you have no such option as far as I know
[11:09] <alex_> what is the best file system supported by both windows and ubuntu?
[11:09] <metal03> Well I have a little bit of problems understanding the whole "installing programs" thing...
[11:10] <Slart> alex_there are drivers for ext2 for windows
[11:10] <Slart> alex_ : or let me see if I can find the url
[11:10] <mneptok> alex_: ext3. http://fs-driver.org
[11:10] <|Sora|> ok jowl, 1 more question, when i minimize something, to get it again, i have to do alt + tab, how do i make it apprar in the bottom tab and not disappear?
[11:10] <alex_> Slart:  thanks Slart, mneptok
[11:11] <kane77> metal03, okay.. so there are repositories, think of it as an ftp server containing lots of programs... repositories you have are stored in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:11] <n30n> !real
[11:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:11] <wolfgang> metal03: have  you used Synaptic Package Manager at all?
[11:11] <Pie-rate> "for 284 days last year, exploit code was publicly available for unpatched vulnerabilities in IE6 and below."
[11:11] <alex_> i was hoping there was something understood by windows without drivers
[11:11] <mneptok> alex_: FAT32
[11:11] <alex_> as it is for a usb disk i use on all sorts of computers
[11:11] <Slart> alex_ ok, that was the same one as mneptok gave you.. it works
[11:11] <alex_> mneptok:  the problem with fat32, it doesnt support filesizes of 4gb+
[11:12] <mneptok> alex_: for flash storage you want fat32
[11:12] <kane77> metal03, to install programs from your repositories use synaptic package manager... (system -> administration -> synaptic)
[11:12] <alex_> something i need :(
[11:12] <jpjacobs> metal03, there are several repositories (listed in /etc/sources.list) these are site where apt get's the software from.synaptic is a frontent to the commandline tool apt-get.
[11:12] <Jowi> |Sora|, right click on the bottom bar and add a window list applet to it
[11:12] <jpjacobs> frontend*
[11:12] <alex_> its a usb hdd
[11:12] <mneptok> alex_: then you want ekt3
[11:12] <mazinyer_Z> ???
[11:12] <metal03> wolfgang: I've read a lot in the forums about it...  and I tried to use it...  but I'm not sure if I did anything!!
[11:12] <mneptok> *ext3
[11:12] <alex_> mneptok:  yeah no worries, ill use that
[11:12] <mazinyer_Z> http://groups.msn.com/MARDELPLATABUENOSAIRESARGENTINA/general.msnw?action=mb_post&mview=1&ID_TopParent=2114&ID_Parent=2115
[11:13] <mazinyer_Z> http://groups.msn.com/MARDELPLATABUENOSAIRESARGENTINA
[11:14] <kane77> metal03, you might only get a .deb file to install it double click it and the gdebi starts and installs it for you... (however be aware that dependencies exist - a package depends on some other packages so to install a program all the packages that the program depend on have to be installed)
[11:14] <jpjacobs> metal03, also, not all program's you install appear in the menu, sometimes you'll have to search what command launches them. This is however trivial most of the time. like if you type firefox  in a console it would launch mozilla-firefox
[11:14] <break_> sup
[11:14] <break_> need help again lol
[11:14] <nzMM> hello, question if compiz wobbles but i have no borders, whats the likely reason?
[11:15] <L0cKd0wN> hey guys, ubuntu just completely crashed on me, i had to hold down the power button to force a hard reboot, are there system logs to tell me what happened? (im new to linux)
[11:15] <kane77> metal03, synaptic solves the dependencies automatically
[11:15] <wolfgang> metal03: After you mark the program you want to install (and any dependencies) you have to hit the "apply" button in the top row
[11:15] <break_> so i downloaded a .tar.bz2...and i found instructions on what to do with it on the intarweb, and it doesnt work
[11:15] <mneptok> nzMM: the default Metacity in GNOME doesn't work with compositors, iirc
[11:16] <break_> anyone care to help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?
[11:16] <mneptok> L0cKd0wN: cat /var/log/messages
[11:16] <Flannel> break_, what "doesn't work"?
[11:16] <kane77> metal03, the third possibility is that you only have a program in .tar.gz or tar.bz and its in source form... to handle this you have to install "build-essential" package
[11:17] <|Sora|> Jowi, its a wine application that dont show up
[11:17] <break_> tar xvjf LastFM_Linux_1.0.0b.tar.bz2...huge list of files that extract to a new folder
[11:17] <break_> i browse to that folder, and i have no idea how to install from there
[11:17] <mneptok> break_: tar -jxvf filename.tar.bz2
[11:18] <break_> yes
[11:18] <Flannel> break_, why not just install lastFM from the repositories?
[11:18] <break_> it extracted
[11:18] <break_> i cant find it
[11:18] <Flannel> it's in universe
[11:18] <Flannel> !info lastFM
[11:18] <ubotu> lastfm: an audio player for last.fm personalized radio. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.90-3 (edgy), package size 476 kB, installed size 1080 kB
[11:18] <break_> wow
[11:18] <metal03> hehehe...  wow!!  That's a lot of information...  I have like 10 questions after each explanation you guys give me!!  I'm so exited about ubuntu :)
[11:18] <mneptok> that's a far saner idea
[11:18] <kane77> break_, you sure you need lastFM... amarok has it integrated
[11:18] <break_> yes
[11:18] <Flannel> !universe | break_
[11:18] <ubotu> break_: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:18] <break_> i want lastfm for xmms
[11:18] <jpjacobs> metal03, if the program is'nt listed in the menu, and it doesn't work when you type in it's name at the commandline, you can request a list of files owned by a package in synaptic. Right click on the package, and you'll find it. Usually executables are in /bin /sbin /usr/sbin or /usr/bin. you can also request a list of files owned by the package by entering dpkg -L <package> on the commandline (CLI). (btw use man to get extensive info a
[11:18] <break_> i know that
[11:18] <kane77> break_, ok.. sorry
[11:19] <Flannel> I just installed (dapper) using LVM, everything is on LVM except /boot, when I boot I get "INIT: no inittab file found" and am then asked which runlevel I'd like.  How do I fix this? or what's the problem?
[11:19] <break_> alright, so explain to me how i find lastfm
[11:19] <zcat[1] > break_: lastfm? all I want for xmms is my two front teeth...
[11:20] <zcat[1] > sorry, lme joke..
[11:20] <break_> i already searched for it in synaptic
[11:20] <alecjw> hi. what port does vnjc use? is it 5901?
[11:20] <break_> and it comes up with nothing
[11:20] <wolfgang> break_: in my experience lastfm sucks
[11:20] <alecjw> *vnc
[11:20] <kane77> break_, you have universe enabled?
[11:20] <break_> who cares
[11:20] <zcat[1] > lastfm - an audio player for last.fm personalized radio
[11:20] <break_> yes i have universe enabled
[11:20] <metal03> (Kane77, jpjacobs, wolfgang or anyone else) Would anyone of you guys be available to discuss this live on TeamSpeak or something?
[11:20] <break_> i just want it because it keeps track of what i listen to
[11:21] <zcat[1] > must be in seveas if it's not in multiverse...
[11:21] <Slart> alecjw: 5900 I think
[11:21] <zcat[1] > !seveas
[11:21] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:21] <Flannel> break_, you're on Dapper aren't you
[11:21] <Slart> alecjw: 5900 for display 0, 5901 for display 1 etc...
[11:21] <break_> well, it isnt showing u
[11:21] <break_> yes im on dapper
[11:21] <alecjw> Slart: thanks :)
[11:22] <zcat[1] > ahhhh... might be an edgy thing then.
[11:22] <jpjacobs> metal03 ermmm maybe just make a seperate channel :) any ideas?
[11:22] <zcat[1] > !search lastfm
[11:22] <ubotu> Found:
[11:22] <Slart> alecjw: you're welcome
[11:22] <Flannel> break_, lastfm isn't in dapper repositories, only edgy.
[11:22] <break_> thanks for telling me now
[11:22] <zcat[1] > !upgrade
[11:22] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:22] <metal03> jpjacobs : I tried to PM you...
[11:22] <break_> so, i already have the .tar.bz2 downloaded and extracted
[11:22] <break_> how what do i do with it
[11:22] <jpjacobs> metal03, made a channel #helpmetal03 :)
[11:22] <break_> now*
[11:22] <Flannel> !compile | break_
[11:22] <ubotu> break_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:22] <metal03> lol
[11:22] <metal03> k
[11:23] <zcat[1] > !botsnack
[11:23] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:23] <break_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:23] <zcat[1] > break_: sudo ?
[11:23] <break_> yep
[11:24] <Peebo> Well k9copy is fast, I'll give it that but the test is in the quality of the final dvd. only 25% to go
[11:24] <zcat[1] > something else open?
[11:24] <chalcedony> how big is ubuntu ? gb and cds ?
[11:24] <break_> <1gb, 1cd
[11:24] <break_> for the regular install at least, right?
[11:24] <zcat[1] > chalcedony: base install is only one CD.. but I generally add another 500M of packages to make it useable...
[11:24] <Peebo> Ubuntu 32 bit desktop 672 Meg ISO
[11:25] <chalcedony> zcat[1] : TY
[11:25] <Peebo> Ubuntu 32 bit server 452 Meg ISO
[11:25] <zcat[1] > codecs, flash, java, kino, a few games...
[11:25] <Peebo> 64 bit versions similar size
[11:25] <break_> Downstream: 0.00 KBytes/s  Upstream: 0.00 KBytes/s
[11:25] <break_> hah, its broken :(
[11:26] <break_> Current Downstream: 0.07 KBytes/s
[11:27] <|Sora|> how do i install "dmsetup" im tring to install truecrypt
[11:27] <L0cKd0wN> if a system crash occurs, is it possible that because the OS stop functioning, no log message is created of the event?
[11:27] <grub_booter> zcat[1] : it's nice to see kino in that list :-D
[11:28] <SubMOA> speaking of truecrypt, can you use that on a HDD that already has data on it or do I need to reformat?
[11:28] <break_> wow this is confusing
[11:28] <break_> just to install a program?
[11:28] <break_> this is at least 20 minutes of reading
[11:28] <Slart> SubMOA: I think you have to do it on a clean drive.... or tryecrypt will clean it for you =)
[11:28] <L0cKd0wN> what program? heh
[11:29] <kane77> metal03, I dont use teamspeak...
[11:29] <kane77> metal03, but I'm available here just pm me
[11:29] <SubMOA> Slart, haha, thanks
[11:29] <emile> L0cKd0wN: i guess so because disk hasnt synced yet
[11:29] <break_> alright, ./configure doesn't always do something, right?
[11:29] <zcat[1] > it's ice to see kino working properly :)
[11:29] <zcat[1] > *nice
[11:29] <grub_booter> heh
[11:30] <Jowi> SubMOA, you can use it on whatever drive you want. basically you create a container of, let's say, 300MB. when dectrypted you can put stuff in it and it will automatically encrypt what you put in. then you just unmount the file and no-one can see what's inside it until you mount it again.
[11:30] <grub_booter> zcat[1] : i used to contribute a lot to that project - haven't had time of late :-/
[11:30] <zcat[1] > well, in part because I finally have a fast enough computer, but there were a few issues with it before. It's pretty good now! I'm thinking I might do a podcast sometime.
[11:30] <grub_booter> cool
[11:30] <SubMOA> jowi, neato... does that utilize stenography at all?
[11:30] <emile> L0cKd0wN: if i recall correctly there is a alt-sysrq combined with some keys (s,u,b) which does sync-unmount-reboot and can be useful in some cases
[11:31] <L0cKd0wN> sounds over my head heh
[11:31] <L0cKd0wN> all i know is that linux boasts stability, and that wasn't it.... hahaha
[11:31] <L0cKd0wN> ><
[11:32] <Slart> L0cKd0wN: if you want stability, go with the older distros.. Debian, Suse etc.. Ubuntu is a bit young to be that stable =)
[11:32] <emile> L0cKd0wN: but with sysrq you might get your logs
[11:33] <L0cKd0wN> heh
[11:33] <L0cKd0wN> yea im googling :)
[11:33] <break_> Current Downstream: 1371.99 KBytes/s
[11:33] <break_> :D
[11:33] <emile> yay for google ;)
[11:33] <break_> it said i need QT 4.1.x
[11:34] <levander> Anyone knows where the "temporary internet files" for Firefox are?
[11:34] <SubMOA> ... do any of these crypto programs utilitze stenography?
[11:34] <levander> The ones that cache web pages and the such.
[11:34] <zcat[1] > levander: yes.
[11:34] <SubMOA> opps, I mean steganography
[11:34] <Jowi> SubMOA, i have no idea. check truecrypts homepage
[11:34] <L0cKd0wN> levander, type about:config
[11:34] <L0cKd0wN> prolly find it there :P
[11:34] <L0cKd0wN> (in the URL bar)
[11:35] <SubMOA> jowi, rgr, thanks
[11:35] <zcat[1] > levander: somewhere under ~/.mozilla/firefox/ -- was going to look for them but I haev cache turned off :)
[11:35] <Jowi> SubMOA, truecrypt.org
[11:35] <Peebo> :)
[11:35] <SubMOA> thanks jowi
[11:35] <Slart> SubMOA: there is at least one program that use steganography to hide stuff in jpegs that I know of.. but none of the big ones do that.. it's .. a bit ... amateurish =)
[11:36] <levander> I typed about:config, there are a few hundred entries up there.
[11:36] <zcat[1] > levander: configureable, isn't it!!
[11:36] <break_> alright
[11:36] <break_> so is it possible to install this or what???
[11:36] <zcat[1] > break_: possible, yes. For you.. perhaps :)
[11:37] <levander> zcat[1] : Is there any user-specific data that firefox stores?  I "mv .mozilla mozilla-conf.bak" and restart firefox, it still knows what extensions I had installed.
[11:37] <break_> i'm about to give up and go back to windows
[11:37] <break_> this is complete BS
[11:37] <break_> it takes me an hour or two to do ANYTHING in dapper
[11:37] <levander> break_: You can repeat problem?  I got here after you stated it.
[11:37] <Slart> break_: who trickee you into
[11:37] <zcat[1] > break_: you build stuff from source in windows?
[11:37] <break_> but if i had edgy...it would work
[11:37] <SubMOA> slart I was reading some technical document (way over my head, so i just breezed a lot of it) but I THINK it was saying everything on the HDD (every sector thingy) is randomly written, then the data is sporadically written to areas, although in different containers, so that you can give a key to one container and it will open everything, but that all the others seems to be random data intermingled with all the other "data"
[11:37] <Jowi> SubMOA, the joy of truecrypt is that it is transparent. the container, while mounted, acts as a normal folder. when you unmount it it becomes a regular file, so you can name it what you want like "corrupted .doc file - need repair" and no one can check if it's a truecrypt file or not.
[11:37] <Slart> break_: who trickee you into thinking linus would be easy =)
[11:37] <SubMOA> jowi, nice.
[11:38] <break_> people tell me to do something, and it NEVER works
[11:38] <|Sora|> SubMOA, truecrypt does not have steno
[11:38] <|Sora|> stega
[11:38] <SubMOA> I shouldn't have said "everything" in the second to last line.  I meant everyting in that container slart
[11:38] <break_> You need Qt 4.1.x to compile this source-code
[11:38] <Slart> SubMOA: that sounds.. plausible.. I haven't checked out troecrypt in a while.. but that's not really steganography, is it?
[11:38] <levander> break_: I'd personally still on use Linux if I were interested in learning about it, or if I had an admin handy.  Although, it is getting a lot closer to being usable to end-users.  A lot  closer with Ubuntu.
[11:38] <break_> how do i make sure QT 4.1.x is installed
[11:39] <L0cKd0wN> what's the problem? heh
[11:39] <break_> i need to find that girls number
[11:39] <break_> shes a cute 17 year old linux geek
[11:39] <Jowi> SubMOA, I just saw on truecrypts homepage that it does have steganography as an option (they call it hidden volume)
[11:39] <zcat[1] > break_: Find a precompiled package for your distro. Or upgrade to edgy where you know it's in the repos. Compiling from source is usually not the best options
[11:39] <SubMOA> slart, I think steganography is the science of hiding data.
[11:39] <SubMOA> jowi, nice
[11:39] <levander> break_: Why do you want QT 4.1? For what purpose?
[11:39] <break_> i need it to install something i really want
[11:39] <SubMOA> slart, that's hiding, right?
[11:39] <Slart> SubMOA: yes.. I agree with you there.. and ok.. if you call hiding a volume steganography.. sure =)
[11:39] <Peebo> WOH ! cute female Linux Geek,  someone is dreaming, but I like it.
[11:39] <|Sora|> jowi, but thats not steganography
[11:39] <break_> nooo!
[11:39] <break_> not dreaming
[11:40] <break_> i lost her phone number when i moved last weekend
[11:40] <SubMOA> ... I would want to use all six crypto schemes :O)
[11:40] <break_> i moved back to this crappy town
[11:40] <levander> break_: Ubuntu isn't like Windows where you're supposed to so easily mix and match applicaion versions.  It's a lot easier if you just stay with what your distribution has officially packaged for you.
[11:40] <Slart> I think more of hiding data inside sound files and such when I hear steganography.. but I guess digging a hole in the ground for the hard drive might be hiding it too =)
[11:41] <Peebo> slaps break_
[11:41] <break_> so if i cant find it through the package manager, then dont even think about using it?
[11:41] <AlexC_> Morning all
[11:41] <SubMOA> slart, haha, yes, and a very fine science it would turn out to be.
[11:41] <|Sora|> with truecrypt, you can only hide it under a truecrypt volume, which is foolish i think
[11:41] <Jowi> |Sora|, why wouldn't it be? steganography is to hide information inside other data. like hiding a message within a message.
[11:41] <break_> so i'll ask again
[11:41] <SubMOA> |Sora|, whys that?
[11:41] <zcat[1] > levander: more to the point; there is only one 'windows distro' -- and nobody in windows builds apps from source..
[11:41] <break_> how can i make sure that QT 4.1.x is installed
[11:41] <|Sora|> any idiot knows that its truecrypt :)
[11:41] <levander> zcat[1] : Yeah, so?
[11:41] <break_> qmake -v?
[11:41] <|Sora|> and that it has this feature
[11:42] <emile> break_: 0900-acidburn? ;-)
[11:42] <Peebo> What kind of IRC server doesn't have the slap command :(
[11:42] <francalier> break_: install libqt4-dev
[11:42] <levander> zcat[1] : You also can't upgrade every single application on your entire system with one command, without even having to reboot, when a new release of the distribution comes out with Windows.
[11:42] <break_> there
[11:42] <SubMOA> |Sora|, so what would be a better route?
[11:42] <Peebo> howd U do dat
[11:43] <levander> zcat[1] : Just install edgy, you're bitching is taking more time than it would take to install it.
[11:43] <break_> /me slaps Peebo around a bit with a large trout
[11:43] <zcat[1] > levander: yeah, I know... It's nuts to build stuff from source, nobody does it in windows.
[11:43] <SubMOA> |Sora|, ohh
[11:43] <avalon> Is there a way to use my USB memory stick as a general login for my Kubuntu installation? Also, can I store all my passwords on it?
[11:43] <Peebo> Ah
[11:43] <zcat[1] > levander: wrong person.. you want to tell break_
[11:43] <Jowi> SubMOA, |Sora| the only thing that can give anyone a hint that it can be a truecrypt file is that you have the truecrypt program installed on the system. if every system came installed with it as default it wouldn't be a problem but as long as you have to install it manually it raise suspicion perhaps...
[11:43] <|Sora|> you have a gun to your head ... "open that file or we will kill your family" you open the hidden volume using truecrypt " you think we are idiots?" lol ...
[11:43] <levander> zcat[1] : The only time I build stuff from source is when I'm really stuck wanting an application and Ubuntu doesn't provide it, which is once or twice a year.  Or, if I'm developing some software against some library or something I need a specific version of the library for.
[11:44] <levander> zcat[1] : my bad
[11:44] <SubMOA> jowi, but you still have plausible deniability, right?
[11:44] <levander> break_: the bitching comment above was for you
[11:44] <break_> i see
[11:44] <levander> break_: Just install edgy
[11:44] <Peebo> Yeah that's kewl
[11:45] <Jowi> SubMOA, I would say so. unencrypted, the file looks like random data and can not be destinguished from a corrupted file
[11:45] <Beawolfe> can anybody help me with compiz?
[11:45] <levander> break_: And, if you don't have much on dapper that you care for saving, I'd really do a fresh install of edgy.  Ubuntu didn't do such a good job with the upgrade process to edgy from dapper.  Just install fresh.
[11:45] <AlexC_> Beawolfe: not if you don't ask the question!
[11:45] <zcat[1] > levander: same. almost never. If it's not in a repo somewhere I generally just wait for someone to package it... been a while since I've needed to compile anything :)
[11:45] <SubMOA> jowi oh, ok.
[11:45] <break_> Beawolfe: where are you in fairfax county?
[11:45] <|Sora|> jowi, but thats true of any truecrypt file, there is no need for a hidden one
[11:45] <levander> zcat[1] : Every time I've compiled something myself, I've decided later it was a mistake and that I didn't really need it.  I can't think of one time I was glad I did that.
[11:46] <|Sora|> the whol point of a hidden volume is to hide it when someone asks you to open it
[11:46] <Beawolfe> I installed the proggy but cant find it to add to menus or how I can configure it
[11:46] <SubMOA> what do you use to open a hidden volume in turcrypt?
[11:46] <Tucky> hey guys can someone help me with my wireless card??
[11:46] <AlexC_> Beawolfe: it should be in System->prefs somewhere
[11:46] <Jowi> |Sora|, I would compare it to any other type of security measure - security by obscurity. not bad but also not foolproof.
[11:46] <AlexC_> Tucky: No, not untill you ask the question!!!
[11:46] <emile> what program is needed to convert video to 3gp (nokia phone) format?
[11:46] <Music_Shuffle> !anyone | tucky
[11:46] <ubotu> tucky: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:46] <zcat[1] > levander: actually, about the upgrade. Mine went sweet! Lots of stuff installed and configured so I really didn't want to start fresh either...
[11:47] <Jowi> |Sora|, in truecrypt, the hidden volume is hidden. you need to know the exact name of the hidden volume in order to mount it. it is not visible.
[11:47] <Tucky> ive got a wireless card in my desktop which had ra61 chip, but i cant get it working, can someone help?
[11:47] <SubMOA> |Sora|, there has to be away to open it, though, right? like pressing "alt + 7" or something would open up a dialoge box to enter a password.  Couldn't they just do all possible key combo's and shabam?
[11:47] <avalon> Is there a way to use my USB memory stick as a general login for my Kubuntu installation? Also, can I store all my passwords on it?
[11:48] <znejk> hello
[11:48] <SubMOA> jowi where would you enter that?
[11:48] <|Sora|> no SubMOA, they have seperate activations
[11:48] <Beawolfe> can't find it there Alex
[11:48] <Jowi> |Sora|, someone can see that the file is 300MB large and that it only contain 290MB of data but that's it.
[11:48] <AlexC_> Beawolfe: you could install Beryl instead?
[11:48] <Jowi> SubMOA, enter what?
[11:48] <SubMOA> |sora| Jowi I think I'll just have to fiddle around with it to get a good understanding.
[11:48] <break_> Beawolfe: I have an off-topic question to ask you.
[11:48] <SubMOA> jowi, the "exact name of the hidden volume"
[11:49] <levander> zcat[1] : break_ sounds like a newbie, and my upgrade to edgy was hell, as were lots of others, if he doesn't have much on his dapper box, i'd recommend a fresh install.  If he does have a lot, dist-upgrade like you say.
[11:49] <AlexC_> Beawolfe: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu
[11:49] <Beawolfe> not sure how on Dapper........wiki page says there is no answers for installment on Dapper at all
[11:49] <break_> I don't need LastFM, but i'm used to having it. I like how it keeps track of what I litsten to.
[11:49] <Jowi> SubMOA, when you mount the volume
[11:50] <zcat[1] > levander: yeah, probably. My upgrade from breezy to dapper wasn't quite as easy.  I ended up reinstalling that time :)
[11:50] <SubMOA> jowi, ooo
[11:50] <break_> If compiling is going to be this big of a PITA, I'll just forget about it.
[11:50] <zcat[1] > break_: yeah, totally. compiling's for gurus and developers...
[11:50] <Amaranth> Beawolfe: Dapper is not supported by beryl or compiz
[11:51] <Amaranth> break_: rhythmbox (and most of music managers) have last.fm plugins to report what songs you listen to
[11:51] <break_> I was under the impression that everyone would end up having to compile something.
[11:51] <zcat[1] > break_: ten years ago....
[11:52] <break_> But if you download something, you usually get the souce.
[11:52] <Beawolfe> Amaranth Okay Thanx!
[11:52] <zcat[1] > well, perhaps five years ago.. recent distros you should never really need to compile stuff.
[11:52] <Amaranth> break_: If it's not in Ubuntu it doesn't exist. :P
[11:52] <Amaranth> !dstats
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dstats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:52] <Amaranth> aww
[11:52] <Amaranth> Ubuntu has something like 20000 packages
[11:52] <Music_Shuffle> lol :P
[11:52] <break_> and you can always add more
[11:53] <SubMOA> I love encryption!  I just got a book, actually on it... it's in the mail :O)  And i read this book at the library all about how the NSA tried to outlaw crypto good book.
[11:53] <Music_Shuffle> Isn't it like...5k before *verse, and 20k after enabling, yes?
[11:53] <break_> So, that guy Beawolfe...he lives in my area. heh
[11:53] <break_> I need somebody's advice on how to survive in this town. :\
[11:53] <avalon> SubMOA: If you like encryption, can you tell me if it's possible to encrypt all of my hard drives without suffering slowdowns?
[11:54] <zcat[1] > break_: this isn't windows. There's about 18,000 packages in the official repos and quite a lot more in 3rd party repos... you don't download stuff, just find a repo and install precompiled packages through synaptic..
[11:54] <Music_Shuffle> Survove
[11:54] <Music_Shuffle> i*
[11:54] <Music_Shuffle> ...wow that sucked. 'Survive?'
[11:54] <Amaranth> SubMOA: They tried like 15 years ago
[11:54] <Slart> avalon: probably not.. all encryption takes a little effort.. noticable is another thing
[11:54] <Amaranth> SubMOA: it's all open and legal now
[11:54] <break_> I searched for lastfm in Synaptic, and got no results.
[11:54] <Victor```> break_: try amarok
[11:54] <Amaranth> break_: therefore it doesn't exist ;)
[11:54] <|Sora|> Amaranth, after they cracked it, lol
[11:54] <Victor```> it supports last.fm
[11:54] <|Sora|> who knows ;)
[11:55] <emile> zcat[1] : do you know of a good index of (non official) ubuntu repositories?
[11:55] <Music_Shuffle> break_, because its not separate package-wise, its integrated in the media players :P
[11:55] <Amaranth> break_: But if you just want something to report what music you listen to rhythmbox will do that
[11:55] <SubMOA> opps... yea, I kind of have a nagging feeling it's not all that safe
[11:55] <zcat[1] > break_: you just need to find a repo that has it.
[11:55] <zcat[1] > !som
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about som - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <zcat[1] > !sourceomatic
[11:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:55] <Amaranth> |Sora|: Trust me, the NSA cannot crack rjindael :P
[11:55] <break_> I'm pretty sure i'll be fine with xmms and nothing to tell me what i've been listening to.
[11:55] <zcat[1] > sourceomatic lists a bunch..
[11:56] <elami> hello
[11:56] <|Sora|> Amaranth, how do you know what the NSA can or cannot do? =)
[11:56] <Victor```> hmm, what do you all prefer? OO.o or KOffice?
[11:56] <SubMOA> figure this:  The FBI is in bed with cellphone manufactures to let them enable the microphone on cellphones (even when turned off) I wonder if the NSA did something with, say, Windows or hardware manufacturers so that any computer hooked up to the net is is part of a cluster (like the folding@home) thing and they can summon the collective power of millions (100's of millions?) computers to crack stuff.
[11:56] <SubMOA> just my paranoid theory
[11:56] <emile> zcat[1] : thnx
[11:56] <elami> Esetleg vannak itt magyarok?
[11:56] <SubMOA> Amaranth, why do you say that?
[11:57] <Victor```> SubMOA: they wouldn't need that, federal funding can afford powerful clusters on its own
[11:57] <AlexC_> break_: last FM _IS_ in the ubutnu repos
[11:57] <zcat[1] > break_: deb http://hassers.fi/ubuntu dapper lastfm   -- add this to your repos in synaptic, refresh, search again and you should have a lastfm package you can add.
[11:57] <AlexC_> break_: sudo apt-get install lastfm
[11:57] <SubMOA> Victor```, true, but couldn't you do a lot more with all those powerful clusters, AND millions of computers
[11:57] <Amaranth> |Sora|, SubMOA: Because every cryptographer in the world says so.
[11:57] <AlexC_> zcat[1] : no need, it's already in the Ubutnu repos!
[11:57] <SubMOA> Amaranth, ohh... I was challenging you, btw, just curious
[11:57] <zcat[1] > AlexC_: not in dapper apparently...
[11:57] <SubMOA> wasn't*
[11:58] <zcat[1] > AlexC_: and he doesn't want to upgrade..
[11:58] <AlexC_> zcat[1] : ahh I see,
[11:58] <AlexC_> break_: try this then: http://people.debian.org/~pxt/lastfm/
[11:58] <Victor```> SubMOA: so you are suggesting that they rigged SELinux?