[12:53] <nothlit> http://freestyle.sourceforge.net/ <-- cool non-photorealistic renderer
[12:53] <nothlit> troy_s: ^
[12:57] <titanix88_> nothlit: hey
[12:58] <titanix88_> hey i sumitted an wallpaper.the last one(wiredubuntu):https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas#preview
[12:58] <titanix88_> some comment
[01:00] <titanix88_> nothlit: i would not believe they were 3d if u haven't told me that!!!!!!!!!!
[01:01] <nothlit> titanix88_: which of the wallpapers are yours?
[01:02] <titanix88_> nothlit: the last one with 3d logo.
[01:02] <titanix88_> called wiredubuntu.
[01:05] <nothlit> its nice, but a little empty of a wallpaper imo, the eye is going to quickly get bored-- i don't mean make the image more busy, but break it up a bit
[01:06] <titanix88_> thnx for the comment.any suggestions?
[01:07] <nothlit> i'd move away from the wired look, see if you can come up with something more exciting
[01:07] <nothlit> not the classic glass or blocks, challenge yourself :)
[01:09] <titanix88_> by the way, my wallpaper is full of a huge logo made of thin copperlike wire(i really meant look at the last of the page)
[01:10] <nothlit> oh, also think about colour/mood
[01:10] <nothlit> that sort of spotlight in blackness might be good to create a focal point in the object, but does it relate to what you think of ubuntu?
[01:11] <nothlit> titanix88_: lol, uv unwrapping is one of the parts of blender that is in the cutting edge btw :D
[01:12] <titanix88_> nothlit: :D
[01:12] <titanix88_> u 3d lover i guess?
[01:14] <nothlit> nah, i just started to play with blender because it got sculpting
[01:14] <nothlit> but the creation of 3d art is too mechanical for me to really get into it
[01:15] <titanix88_> maybe it needs it to be sumitted for *e*dubuntu(considering their previous choices for wallpapers.) i really hate them
[01:16] <titanix88_> nothlit: btw i am a mechanical engineering undergraduate.  Ubuntu is always dark brown(even i did that too).
[01:20] <nothlit> nah ubuntu has gone brown, orange, a funny salmon pink
[01:22] <titanix88_> nothlit: final question if it does not get any attention, what should be my point of interest of making it(u might understand two a day's hard labour for material setting.) :(....
[01:23] <nothlit> well, you can use it, keep it for your portfolio, submit it on ubuntu's artwork site, gnome-look, and it may get included with the community stuff if it dosn't get picked as the main one
[01:24] <nothlit> omgs run on sentence
[01:25] <nothlit> besides the personal learning experience stuff, and a mat you have to reuse, etc
[01:27] <titanix88_> they too are maybe. Anyway I understood the true spirit of community sharing. It's pretty much democratic. So i guess i will just keep making.thnx.
[01:27] <nothlit> :)
[01:28] <titanix88_> r u interested in any farther communication? i mean email.
[01:28] <kwwii> night all
[01:29] <kwwii> no more salmon pink for ubuntu, trust me
[01:29] <titanix88_> kwwii: howdy
[01:29] <kwwii> time for sleep here
[01:29] <titanix88_> kwwii: where?
[01:30] <nothlit> kwwii: cyas
[01:30] <nothlit> titanix88_: have you joined the mailing list?
[01:30] <titanix88_> nothlit: i joined launchpad.
[01:31] <nothlit> titanix88_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[01:33] <kwwii> night all
[01:33] <nothlit> kwwii: cyas
[01:34] <nothlit> blender has been use dto make music videos btw ;p, and i think elephant's dream and plumiferos proves its production readyness
[01:35] <titanix88_> nothlit: i saw the elephants dream.it's great visually but dull story.
[02:04] <kwwii> nothlit: yeah, but I earned tens of thousands euros on my stuff
[02:04] <kwwii> anyway
[02:04] <kwwii> really time for sleep now
[02:04] <kwwii> and what I did was cheap in that world
[12:09] <lapo> hi
[05:01] <maxamillion> troy_s: ping
[06:31] <kwwii> hey troy_s , around?
[06:32] <kwwii> just read a magazine article from the UK in which you are listed as being the ubuntu art lead
[06:32] <kwwii> better get to work! I want to make it blue, what do you think?
[07:44] <lapo> kwwii: uhm... aren't you the chief?
[09:04] <dilomo> hello
[09:04] <dilomo> all
[09:32] <lapo> hi
[09:32] <maxamillion> troy_s: ping
[09:35] <kwwii> hi lapo
[09:38] <andreasn> kwwii: that ubuntu mobile thing device, is that out yet?
[09:38] <andreasn> whups
[09:54] <kwwii> andreasn: nope, we are still working on it
[09:54] <kwwii> it is a long way from being finished
[09:54] <kwwii> well, you can buy a device and you can install the software, but you don't really want to use it for anything other than developmet
[09:57] <maxamillion> kwwii: you was hoping to talk to troy_s but it seems he hasn't been around all day and maybe you can answer my question .... i recently heard that the ubun2 project was looking for someone who could do some pypanel modification and i was wondering if the project was still in need of someone who could do this and what all was wanting to be done
[10:00] <kwwii> maxamillion: not sure, I did not know that we were looking for anything like that
[10:01] <kwwii> maxamillion: I am sure that someone has more info than I, but it is certainly not something being done by a canonical employee
[10:01] <kwwii> my guess is that troy_s will be online sometime later
[10:01] <maxamillion> kwwii: oh ... they might not be, there was just a dev who (i assume) heard it through the grape vine and knew i am a big pypanel fan so they brought it to my attention and if it were something i was knowledgable of i would be happy to help
[10:03] <kwwii> maxamillion: well, I am just the art guy so maybe I have missed something somewhere but I know of no such work being done
[10:03] <kwwii> maxamillion: have you asked around in ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-desktop
[10:03] <kwwii> ?
[10:04] <maxamillion> kwwii: no, i wasn't aware the two communities were mixed ... i thought ubun2 was a separate entity
[10:04] <maxamillion> kwwii: i will pop in there and ask them
[10:06] <kwwii> hrm, never heard of ubun2
[10:08] <maxamillion> kwwii: you've never heard of ubun2?
[10:08] <kwwii> nope
[10:08] <kwwii> maybe I work too much
[10:08] <maxamillion> kwwii: i thought this was the irc channel for it
[10:09] <maxamillion> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubun2design
[10:09] <andreasn_> kwwii: you didn't miss anything really
[10:10] <andreasn_> wasn't troy_s involved in that?
[10:10] <kwwii> ahh, right I have seen that before
[10:10] <kwwii> I think that he has done a lot on that, yeah
[10:11] <kwwii> his name is all over that wiki page at least
[10:12] <andreasn_> the gdm looks pretty nice
[10:13] <maxamillion> i honestly don't really care much about gdm or gnome for that matter ... i run pypanel and openbox ... i just heard that they were looking for someone to do some pypanel mods and i got interested in helping because i would love to see more people use pypanel
[10:14] <andreasn_> what's pypanel?
[10:14] <maxamillion> http://pypanel.sourceforge.net
[10:18] <maxamillion> andreasn_: ^^^^^^^^^^
[10:19] <andreasn_> oh, maybe I've seen that before
[10:19] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... i'm out of here ... thank for the info kwwii
[10:19] <kwwii> no problem
[10:19] <maxamillion> i might be back later to try and get ahold of troy_s and see if he has any knowledge of it
[10:19] <maxamillion> thanks again :)


[09:29]  * smartboyhw wonders who is doing the Xubuntu Open Week session....Can't see it on the wiki
[09:51] <knome> smartboyhw, yes, because we haven't promised to do one yet
[09:51] <smartboyhw> knome, I'm surprised ...
[09:51] <knome> smartboyhw, i'd have hoped that you had asked us first before telling we can do the session together
[12:03] <astraljava> micahg: mr_pouit: knome: whoever is relevant; Is https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/quantal/lightdm-gtk-greeter/lang-chooser-on-by-default/+merge/129758 something we'd want to see?
[12:03] <astraljava> Essentially the change is:
[12:03] <astraljava> 23-show-language-selector=false
[12:03] <astraljava> 24+show-language-selector=true
[12:05] <astraljava> dholbach on #ubuntu-devel was asking.
[12:06] <knome> ask ochosi
[12:06] <ochosi> humm, what? :)
[12:06] <astraljava> ochosi: Read a few (6) lines above.
[12:06] <astraljava> Make it 7.
[12:06] <ochosi> yeah, i'm actually starting my vbox now to see the (missing) lang-selector)
[12:08] <ochosi> i guess i'd have to look at the glade file to see where the lang-selector would appear, right? (i mean: you haven't tested this yet, i suppose)
[12:08] <ochosi> right now we have a "region" support, i thought that was the language-selector?
[12:09] <ochosi> astraljava: see here: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10162012-020905pm.php
[12:09] <smartboyhw> Yes that one.....
[12:13] <astraljava> ochosi: To be honest, I'm just passing the question along. I haven't participated in the development, nor the discussion regarding it.
[12:13] <ochosi> astraljava: yeah, but you know what feature we're talking about, no?
[12:14] <ochosi> but i guess i can talk to daniel myself
[12:15] <mr_pouit> I already replied, except for ubuntustudio/mythbuntu where I don't know
[12:15]  * smartboyhw is looking into studio
[12:16] <ochosi> mr_pouit: oh, i see. then i guess i can stop talking to dholbach :)
[12:16] <astraljava> ochosi: No, I actually don't, now that you mentioned the region selector.
[16:26] <skaet> knome,  and others interested,  :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu <-- can you confirm the system requirements are accurate for 12.10?
[17:29] <Unit193> "New Features in Xubuntu 12.10"  Should have Xfce 4.10, and "Xubuntu Applications" should drop gimp, no?
[17:34] <elfy> 4.10 is in applications - yes gimp should be dropped from that perhaps - mention of dual drives showing in known issues
[17:35] <Unit193> Well, saying Xfce is a bigger upgrade, but however.
[18:57] <zodiak> so.. dare I ask .. 18th still a go ? :)
[18:58] <zodiak> and if so, what's slated for the next cycle ? is there a list of 'need help with foo' anywhere ?


[09:14]  * mpt is amused that <http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/openoffice.org/plots/openoffice.org-1day-new.png> leaves open the possibility of the bug count going down to -5
[09:28] <davmor2> mpt: yeah that'll be bugs fixed before they are discovered :D
[10:23] <Laney> I see three places in a new Jaunty install where fonts are too large on my screen: nautilus, window titlebars and policykit/gksudo password prompts. Are there bugs for these?
[10:31] <Laney> bug 310353 looks good
[10:46] <cassidy> Zdra: crevette: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-sendto-universe/+bug/345829
[10:46] <cassidy> would be cool if this patch could be included in the Ubuntu package asap
[10:47] <crevette> cassidy, yep, I'll do it this week-end
[10:47] <crevette> thanks a lot
[10:48] <crevette> actually /me is not subscribed to nautilus-sendto-universe bug :/
[10:48] <cassidy> bad crevette!
[10:48] <crevette> this is corrected now
[10:59] <Laney> had to go back to osx :(
[11:14] <Ng> hm, I'm only finding one bug which mentions this, and it's not about it and is not mentioned any further - ~/.gvfs showing up as a broken mount
[11:14] <Ng> e.g. its permissions show up as d?????????
[11:14] <Ng> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/225361/comments/2 refers to it, but the bug is about something else afaics
[11:58] <davmor2> MacSlow: Just to let you know notify-osd doesn't seem to be working on 20090320.1 live install :(
[12:00] <MacSlow> davmor2, be more specific and file a bug please
[12:01] <davmor2> MacSlow: I'm just checking through now but I get no notify from network and I'm checking others before I write a bug
[12:02] <MacSlow> davmor2, test it like this: notify-send "bla" "fasel" -i totem
[12:02] <MacSlow> davmor2, if that shows a notification it's not notify-osd that's at fault
[12:04] <davmor2> MacSlow: notify-send is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:  sudo apt-get install libnotify-bin
[12:05] <MacSlow> well then do what you have been advised :)
[12:09] <davmor2> MacSlow: Meh weird it's working properly now :)  Don't know what happened then
[12:11]  * kenvandine_wk grumbles about  mail not getting filtered suddenly...
[12:11] <soren> gnome-settings-daemon has been crashing for me for a bit. This has re-raised a question I've been wondering for a long time: How does gnome-settings-daemon communicate to each gtk using application what theme to use, font settings, etc.?
[12:12] <soren> Do they all have an inotify watch on something, do they all listen on a unix socket.. What?
[12:13] <kenvandine_wk> ah... LP team name changed :)
[12:13] <soren> Oh, is that perhaps what it uses CORBA for?
[12:30] <thekorn> hi,
[12:32] <thekorn> I'm unable to  change a keybinding in ubuntu jaunty to something like super_l+t, is this a bug?
[12:32] <thekorn> or is super_l + <something> just not allowed there, because it is exclusivly used by compiz?
[15:37] <dobey> pitti: you are much more familiar with distutils than i
[15:37] <dobey> pitti: could you perhaps somehow know why this new command i'm writing, is getting run twice?
[15:41] <pitti> dobey: hm, not without seeing the code, I'm afraid
[15:42] <dobey> hrmm
[15:42] <dobey> i think i might know why
[15:43] <dobey> it's doing setup() in if __name__ == "__main__":
[15:47]  * pitti -> off again; have a nice weekend everyone
[15:47] <rickspencer3> bye pitti
[15:47] <rickspencer3> have a good weekend
[15:47] <dobey> later pitti
[15:51] <kenvandine_wk> later pitti~
[16:04]  * kenvandine_wk -> lunch
[17:25] <bratsche> !
[17:27] <jpds> Hey Cody.
[17:31] <dobey> Ʌ
[17:33] <mpt> eeejay, DnaX in #ubuntu-devel is asking about the Python bindings for indicator-applet
[17:40] <kenvandine_wk> mpt: when eeejay gets me tarballs, i will get it packaged and into the ppa at least
[17:50] <eeejay> kenvandine_wk: where should i upload the tarballs to?
[17:50] <eeejay> kenvandine_wk: does lp support that? didn't see it
[17:50]  * eeejay joins #ubuntu-devel
[17:50] <kenvandine_wk> you create a release
[17:50] <kenvandine_wk> i think
[17:50] <kenvandine_wk> i haven't done that in ages :)
[17:51] <eeejay> kenvandine_wk: bah, that means i need a separate project page
[17:51] <kenvandine_wk> eeejay: that might not be the right answer :)
[17:51] <kenvandine_wk> i don't really know
[17:51] <kenvandine_wk> anyone else have advice?


[03:26] <Oderus> hi. when i try to send email through kmail i get this error :Failed to transport message. Your SMTP server does not support PLAIN. Choose a different authentication method. The server responded: "5.0.0 Authentication Failed"
[05:17] <Anthony-L> ugh, i'm to throw my computer out the window.
[05:18] <Anthony-L> ready*
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-rebased-to-linux-kernel-4-4-5-lts-final-beta-arrives-march-24-501790.shtml
[09:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:38] <caribou> Hi, looks like I'm facing a regression on Xenial with external screen detection on the VGA port
[10:40] <caribou> if I disconnect my external screen off the VGA port, it is no longer detected, even if I log out of the session; only a reboot will see the screen again
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> caribou: wich graphics card chipset and driver do you have?
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-software xenial
[11:18] <caribou> lotuspsychje: Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> caribou: maybe try a tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug off/back on your external screen to see errors
[11:20] <caribou> lotuspsychje: yeah, did that & to Xorg.0.log too; nothing happens in syslog. Xorg.0.log reconfigures when I disconnect but nothing happens when I connect it back
[11:20] <caribou> lotuspsychje: I'll try to reboot on Wily to see how it behaves when I have a minute
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> caribou: wait
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> caribou: did you clean install or upgrade from wily?
[11:21] <caribou> lotuspsychje: been upgrading since Trusty afaik
[11:21] <caribou> lotuspsychje: FYI, if I log out of my session, I get both screens to display the login banner
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> caribou: not recommended to upgrade to xenial yet
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> caribou: its best you test it clean install, to make sure its not a weird leftover
[11:22] <caribou> well, I've been running the dev release since Wily archive opened
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> caribou: best to help bugging out, on a fresh install mate
[11:24] <caribou> lotuspsychje: you can't clean install Xenial when the archive opens & Core devs are expected to run the dev release :-)
[11:24] <caribou> lotuspsychje: but I can test a clean install on a thumb drive
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> daily image
[11:24] <caribou> lotuspsychje: I'll do that when I get a chance
[11:25] <caribou> lotuspsychje: good advice though, I'll test on a live Xenial image when I get a chance
[11:25] <caribou> lotuspsychje: thanks!
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> caribou: yeah if your external screen works there dont need a bug right
[11:27] <caribou> lotuspsychje: well, even then, users will not all install Xenial from scratch when it comes out so still useful to figure out why the upgrade path breaks
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> caribou: when final is out, users can upgrade yes
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> caribou: but ive tested the do-release-upgrade -d from wily and it messes up kernels
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> caribou: and many users tried from trusty giving breakage
[11:28] <caribou> lotuspsychje: ok, I'll let you know once I get a chance to test
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> caribou: ok tnx for testing
[12:22] <Mathisen> hello ! so i did a upgrade from 15.10 and noticed one thing ... i did " update-manager -d " and the update started fine.. BUT i went out for a smoke i come back and my screen lock has went on.. and there was no way to log back in...
[12:22] <Mathisen> is not this a bad thing ?
[12:23] <Mathisen> when trying to log back on , it just was thinking and thinking... and did not open my x again
[12:23] <Mathisen> so could not see what was going on
[12:26] <jushur> Mathisen: i always advice people to do clean installs. even when its suposed to "work" with upgrades.
[12:26] <Mathisen> yeah i get that, but still ..
[12:27] <Mathisen> should there not be something that prevent screen lock to go on during this...
[12:30] <Mathisen> if that would not have happend for me it will have worked great i think...
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> Mathisen: i dont think screen lock messed up your install
[13:23] <Mathisen> lotuspsychje:  ok.. any idea why it happend ?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> Mathisen: hard to tell without errors or logs, but recommended to clean install 16.04 in this stage
[13:25] <Mathisen> yeah thats my plan
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> Mathisen: do-release-upgrade -d from wily messed up things on my end aswell
[17:05] <unix4linux> I am wondering if I can do "Deja Dup + Google Drive" instead of "Deja Dup + Dropbox" considering gnome 3.18 in Ubuntu 16 will support Google Drive right out of the box. Has anyone tried this yet?
[17:15] <nelsk> Installed the 16.04 beta last night, wanted to give an alt DE a try, so I installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop...it totally blew away the ubuntu display manager, replacing it with gdm. When logging back into unity, the environment was very broken...strange window dressings or none at all, missing wallpaper, bunch of other stuff.  What's the correct way to install alternative DEs without absolutely clobbering a bunch of the default setup?
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: you installed 16.04 desktop with unity, and afterwards install gnome desktop on it?
[17:19] <nelsk> lotuspsychje: yes, finding the unity to be very sluggish. wanted to see if a different DE would perform better
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: well if unity was sluggish there must be a reason to it
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: did you have right graphics driver active?
[17:21] <nelsk> Yes, it's an i5 NUC driving a 4k monitor, so it's entirely possible the hardware is just underpowered
[17:21] <nelsk> But as a smoke test, I want to see how a non-unity DE performs to see if the performance issues remain
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: normal behaviour its possible to install other de's on an existing install this way, but its recommended to use the one you like single
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: can you pastebin me sudo lshw -C video please
[17:22] <nelsk> can't right now unfortunately, I'm away from the machine
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> ahh kk
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: any idea what grafix cards inside?
[17:22] <nelsk> it's just intel graphics
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> ok but i5 should at least run unity like a charm
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> so before testing out other de's, i would findout whats laggin your fresh install
[17:23] <nelsk> that's what I was expecting, but I've never had a 4k monitor, so I'm not sure how heavy it is to drive that with a few applications running
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: what kind of rams inside that nuc?
[17:24] <nelsk> It's valuable to know if something like XFCE or Gnome also performs poorly. That tells me unity is not alone and at fault.
[17:24] <nelsk> 16GB DDR3
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> wow
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> ssd or mechanical hd?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> intel graphics on a nuc aren't capable full 4K resolution even if you hjad the source to test it
[17:25] <nelsk> BluesKaj: thought that might be the case
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: whats the alternative for this situation?
[17:26] <nelsk> I think the option is to not use a NUC :P
[17:26] <BluesKaj> nelsk, it will take a dedicated GPU with 4K capability, but Idon't know of any that can be installed in an intel nuc.
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: well should at least run fine on a vga right
[17:27] <nelsk> BluesKaj: This page directly advertises 4K, is that for some reason specific to videos?
[17:27] <nelsk> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/hd-graphics/hd-graphics-developer.html
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: but thats not whats inside your nuc that iris?
[17:28] <trewas> desktop at 4k should be usable with modern intel integrated chips, though depending on the port it might be running at 30fps and feel slow for that reason
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> interesting trewas
[17:30] <nelsk> https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc5i5ryh.html
[17:30] <nelsk> "It also features Intel® HD Graphics 6000 with 4K display capabilities to provide visually stunning graphics. "
[17:30] <nelsk> trewas: Have it over mini-dp -> HDMI
[17:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, that urk implies that the 4K capable gpu is on the mobo, maybe I'm wrong here...is this the same gpu you have, nelsk?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> url
[17:31] <trewas> there are even phones with 4k resolution, it does not take that much nowadays (if you forget running modern games with full resolution)
[17:32] <nelsk> Yes, that's the NUC model and board I'm running. Am I missing something? Intel HD 6000 graphics are integrated
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> trewas: so you think unity on his nug is sluggish due to the 30fps?
[17:32] <BluesKaj> nelsk, ok, my mistake, just ignore my previous comments ;-)
[17:33] <nelsk> np, thanks for your attention.
[17:33] <nelsk> It's mainly noticeable when resizing windows to be more specific
[17:33] <nelsk> but moving them also is pretty slow
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:33] <trewas> lotuspsychje: could be, displayport or hdmi 2.0 is required for >30hz
[17:34] <nelsk> It only has mini-DP and mini-HDMI out
[17:35] <BluesKaj> no display port ?
[17:35] <nelsk> nope
[17:35] <BluesKaj> why a mini
[17:35] <nelsk> you'll have to ask intel that :)
[17:35] <trewas> nelsk: it also depends what is on the other end of the cable, xrandr should tell what display mode is used including refresh rate
[17:35] <nelsk> probably because it's a mini-pc
[17:36] <nelsk> trewas: thnx, I will check. it's mini-DP->DP on the other end
[17:36] <nelsk> In the meantime, is there a recommended way to install an alternative DE without corrupting unity so badly?
[18:48] <Fooster> hi, I'm getting hangs/crashes with 16.04 :(
[18:59] <SCHAAP137> Fooster: at random? or when performing specific activities?
[18:59] <Fooster> seems to be at random
[18:59] <Fooster> got 2 since i installed it in hour or so ago :(
[19:00] <Anthony-L> hello, i could use some help installing a PPA https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:01] <Anthony-L> i've read the installation instructions and get confused with the 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name'
[19:13] <BluesKaj> Anthony-L, why the ppa for nvidia ?
[19:14] <Anthony-L> because i'm troubleshooting my system and want to see if it works
[19:14] <BluesKaj> troubleshooting, what's the issue?
[19:16] <Anthony-L> BluesKaj: at first with just the basic nouveau, i was having issues with my computer not restarting at all.
[19:16] <Anthony-L> i'd have to do a cold shutdown twice.
[19:16] <Anthony-L> to get backk to the gui
[19:17] <Anthony-L> The fix i was used for that was, http://askubuntu.com/questions/523638/why-does-ubuntu-freeze-during-reboot-14-04-lts
[19:17] <Anthony-L> i edited that file and now i can restart without any problem
[19:17] <BluesKaj> which gpu?
[19:18] <Anthony-L> however, when i installed the nvidia-361 from the terminal, i was back at square one without being able to reboot and shutdown without the system locking up.
[19:18] <Anthony-L> instead of using the nvidia-361 from the terminal, i want to use that one from that launchpad website.
[19:18] <Anthony-L> they are different, correct?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:19] <Anthony-L> so, i want to try that ppa on that website since i've already fixed the restart issue. i want to see if it works with my restart fix.
[19:20] <Anthony-L> if it doesn't work, i have to install ubuntu and keep trying other ways to get that nvidia driver to work properly.
[19:20] <Anthony-L> you smell what i'm steppin in?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> Anthony-L, again,  which gpu?
[19:20] <Anthony-L> that's my whole situation.
[19:20] <Anthony-L> gtx 970
[19:20] <Anthony-L> sry
[19:21] <Anthony-L> it's a pretty new/modern gpu
[19:21] <BluesKaj> yup, that one's prroblematic
[19:21] <Anthony-L> go figure ;)
[19:21] <Anthony-L> haha
[19:23] <BluesKaj> dunno if using a bleeding edge driver will help, but it's worth a try I suppose
[19:23] <Anthony-L> yea, i have nothing to lose. i just keep resintalling ubuntu if it doesn't work.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> you mentioned the 361 not working , have you considered dropping down to the 352 , I know the 358 was also iffy
[19:25] <Anthony-L> i've tried downgrading and that brought up other issues.
[19:25] <Anthony-L> steam crash/game crashes etc
[19:25]  * BluesKaj nods
[19:26] <Anthony-L> if you read the type of that website, those crashes are pretty typical, hence the 361 update.
[19:27] <jushur> Anthony-L: intel cpu?
[19:27] <Anthony-L> amd
[19:28] <jushur> Anthony-L: do you use the apu on it?
[19:28] <Anthony-L> what's an apu?
[19:28] <jushur> integrated gfx on the cpu
[19:28] <BluesKaj> yeah, AMD gpus seldomn have an intel cpu
[19:28] <Anthony-L> oh. i dont have integrated gfx.
[19:29] <Anthony-L> my mobo didn't come with an integrated gfx
[19:29] <BluesKaj> or nvidia unless they're pci
[19:29] <Anthony-L> i'm pci
[19:29] <jushur> Anthony-L: you dont get what i talk about
[19:29] <Anthony-L> sorry
[19:29] <jushur> Anthony-L: what cpu do you have specificaly
[19:30] <Anthony-L> amd fx 4130 quad core processor x4
[19:32] <Anthony-L> i'm pretty sure it doesn't have apu
[19:35] <Anthony-L> ?
[19:43] <jushur> Anthony-L: you may be correct, i see no mention of any apu in the cpu info on their page so.
[19:44] <jushur> Anthony-L: just wanted to make sure. as there is issues when running any other gpu with nvidia gpu in tandem
[19:46] <BluesKaj> optimus ?
[19:51] <Anthony-L> hi, sorry
[19:52] <Anthony-L> had to do something real quick
[19:52] <Anthony-L> i just really want to try installing that ppa and need helping doing so.
[19:52] <jushur> Anthony-L: no need to stress, irc is slow. patience is key here :)
[19:54] <Anthony-L> jushur: are you familiar with installing ppas?
[19:54] <jushur> Anthony-L: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[19:54] <jushur> Anthony-L: sudo apt-get update
[19:55] <jushur> Anthony-L: sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:55] <Anthony-L> i want to install a certain ppa from that website.
[19:55] <Anthony-L> did you see the link?
[19:55] <jushur> Anthony-L: note that id recomend you have a 100% updated system before you do this
[19:56] <Anthony-L> jushur: how do i update the system first?
[19:56] <jushur> Anthony-L: yes? just gave the 3 lines to do it. and the fourth line would be installing the actuall package. for the nvidia (if its not pulled in auto)
[19:56] <jushur> Anthony-L: when you do sudo apt-get update it updates your local cache of the servers
[19:57] <jushur> Anthony-L: you should know this alrdy, if you going for custom/beta things.
[19:57] <jushur> Anthony-L: read the docs.
[19:58] <Anthony-L> jushur: that was another issue. other ubuntu version do not work on my system.
[19:58] <Anthony-L> 16.04 was my only choice.
[19:59] <k1l> Anthony-L: which ppa?
[20:00] <Anthony-L> i already installed it according to jushur.
[20:00] <Anthony-L> i typed in all those commands.
[20:01] <Anthony-L> should i do a 'sudo apt update-grub'?
[20:01] <jushur> Anthony-L: you should go read the documentation on how to manage your system.
[20:01] <Anthony-L> i have been.
[20:01] <jushur> no, i disagree
[20:01] <Anthony-L> i'm not going to learn all this in a matter of a couple days.
[20:02] <jushur> Anthony-L: true, but you need to learn basics first, and that would be to properly handle "apt"
[20:02] <k1l> but you dont learn anything if you never start learning
[20:03] <Anthony-L> how long have you guys been doing this?
[20:03] <k1l> learning? :)
[20:04] <Anthony-L> i'm a week into it. i've been reading.
[20:04] <Anthony-L> k1l: how long?
[20:04] <k1l> iirc 2005
[20:05] <Anthony-L> ha
[20:05] <Anthony-L> you're 11 yrs in...
[20:05] <Anthony-L> i'm literally a couple days in.
[20:05] <Anthony-L> i'm reading, just bare with me.
[20:06] <Anthony-L> you have to hand it to me anyway, i haven't given up on linux. i can easily go back to windows. ;P
[20:06] <Anthony-L> all the crap i've put up with...haha
[20:06] <k1l> Anthony-L: yes. but best way is to learn things while you do it. the "just give me the commands because i dont care how it works" will keep you in the "i am a linux noob" stage forever
[20:07] <Anthony-L> k1l: well in order to test out the commands i have to have a system that works. no?
[20:07] <k1l> so i learned it "hmm, i want to use apt-get so i read about the basic commands from apt-get" 5 minutes in, never have to worry about apt-get again
[20:07] <Anthony-L> yes, but not everyone uses apt
[20:07] <Anthony-L> so i get confused easily
[20:07] <jushur> Anthony-L: my tip is this document anything you do. (on paper preffereable)
[20:07] <k1l> your way is: give me the commands. next day: give me the commands. the very next day: give me the commands .....
[20:08] <jushur> Anthony-L: actually its a matter of what you use. as you use a "test" version expect things to break, expect to be forced to fix it your self. and also read a lot.
[20:09] <Anthony-L> jushur: yes, i've heard this numerous times.
[20:11] <k1l> Anthony-L: are you sure you need that ppa?
[20:12] <Anthony-L> k1l: yes
[20:12] <Anthony-L> i've tried every other driver out there.
[20:12] <Anthony-L> i'm about to attempt a reboot. *crosses fingers*
[20:14] <Anthony-L> omg!
[20:14] <Anthony-L> i'm at the gui on first reboot.
[20:14] <Anthony-L> let me make sure i'm using nvidia drivers though.
[20:15] <Anthony-L> :(
[20:15] <Anthony-L> i'm still using nouveau drivers. gr
[20:17] <jushur> Anthony-L: i didnt actually give you the line that installs the driver
[20:20] <jushur> Anthony-L: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:20] <Anthony-L> 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers-361'?
[20:20] <jushur> Anthony-L: yes, not sure if you need to do anything else
[20:22] <k1l> the nvidia-361 from that repo is older than the officially ubuntu 361 driver
[20:23] <Anthony-L> it's dated February 11th 16'
[20:23] <Anthony-L> and it's made for ubuntu 16.04
[20:24] <Anthony-L> k1l: ?
[20:25] <k1l> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-361/nvidia-graphics-drivers-361_361.28-0ubuntu1/changelog
[20:25] <k1l> iirc its the same one in the official repo
[20:26] <Anthony-L> okay, the 10th, i was a day off.
[20:27] <Anthony-L> the official ubuntu driver messes up my system.
[20:29] <jushur> Anthony-L: i wonder, have you run a full system update? so you have the lastest kernel and so.
[20:29] <jushur> latest*
[20:29] <Anthony-L> didn't we just do that?
[20:30] <jushur> Anthony-L: when you ran sudo apt-get update. did it say anything about "kept back packages"?
[20:30] <jushur> Anthony-L: update/upgrade
[20:30] <Anthony-L> i didn't really look as the text was going by really fast. it installed a lot of things.
[20:31] <Anthony-L> it took a while.
[20:31] <jushur> Anthony-L: actually it shows before you push enter on the Y/n question.
[20:31] <Anthony-L> i didn't look out for it.
[20:32] <Anthony-L> i just pushed y
[20:32] <Anthony-L> i could just do it again.
[20:34] <Anthony-L> okay, it kept back some packages.
[20:34] <Anthony-L> just checked.
[20:34] <k1l> please show a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" in a pastebin
[20:35] <Anthony-L> okay, let me join the channel on the machine.
[20:36] <Anthony-2> https://bpaste.net/show/37db5e865372
[20:37] <k1l> apt-get upgrade doesnt install all updates. use my command please
[20:37] <Anthony-L> i'll do the full upgrade now
[20:37] <Anthony-L> yes.
[20:37] <Anthony-L> i was just showing jushur
[20:38] <k1l> but those packages should not be mission critical (if it doesnt freeze while using that exact packages)
[20:39] <Anthony-2> https://bpaste.net/show/157adbbf36d1
[20:39] <andrewgk> Hi, I've been fighting for the last couple of hours with my ubuntu install. I'm trying to install latest LTS version on MSI Apache Ge60 2pe with nvidia 860m. After installing I can't do much. I'm unable to install nvidia/bumblebee drivers as the system crashers before I get anywhere. I suspect nouveau to be the culprit. Most of the time system boots without mousepad/keyboard working and just
[20:39] <andrewgk> shows a windows about running in low-graphics mode. Please advice.
[20:42] <jushur> andrewgk: not enough info, need logs. what you done etc to know.
[20:43] <k1l> andrewgk: bumbelbee is long deprecated on ubuntu
[20:43] <k1l> !nomodeset | andrewgk
[20:44] <k1l> try this (the one time solution) if it makes your system work to get that ubuntu nvidia driver
[20:44] <Mikelevel> andrewgk~ bumblebee its broken , you can use twice cards without it and nouveau
[20:44] <Mikelevel> andrewgk~ https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus/
[20:45] <k1l> wait, is it a 16.04 or another version?
[20:45] <andrewgk> 14.04
[20:45] <andrewgk> 14.04.4 LTS
[20:46] <k1l> andrewgk: then #ubuntu please
[20:46] <andrewgk> Oh, sorry my bad, Thanks
[20:49] <Anthony-2> :)
[20:57] <Anthony-2> i guess i could just deal with nouveau drivers.
[20:58] <Anthony-2> i'll test out a game on the driver.
[21:34] <Anthony-L> and
[21:34] <Anthony-L> purple screen of death.
[21:34] <Anthony-L> gotta love ubuntu
[21:37] <Anthony-L> resinstalling ubuntu
[21:37] <Anthony-L> reinstalling*
[21:37] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: why keep re-installing?
[21:38] <Anthony-L> can't get into recovery mode.
[21:38] <Anthony-L> and want to start from scratch
[21:38] <k1l> Anthony-L: try nomodeset
[21:38] <Anthony-L> k1l: nope, never works
[21:38] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: iirc you have been re-installing over and over...there's no need to do that if you make a system restore plan?
[21:39] <Anthony-L> snowgoggles: the only way would be chrooting and i dont know how to do that.
[21:40] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: completely untrue
[21:40] <Anthony-L> snowgoggles: are you really going to walk me along the step by step process?
[21:41] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: yeah cause seeing you keep re-installing...it's kiiling me more than you
[21:41] <Anthony-L> haha
[21:42] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: do you want to stick with linux OSes?
[21:43] <Anthony-L> i really do, but i feel like i'm in denial. my gpu is way too new and i really think the nvidia 361 drivers are still garbage. i've tried using old drivers and those turn into other problems.
[21:43] <k1l> Anthony-L: please look at the logs what is really going on
[21:44] <Anthony-L> i feel that my problem is just flat out rare.
[21:44] <Anthony-L> and if i go back to older versions, other problems arise.
[21:45] <Anthony-L> i've scoured the internet, trust me, i'm a google master. all the answer are either misleading or really outdated.
[21:45] <Anthony-L> answers*
[21:45] <k1l> Anthony-L: issue solving works that way: inspect what is why going wrong. then look up if there is a solution or alternative.
[21:45] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: everyone's system is unique....if gaming tweaking is required for graphics...just takes time and gain experience in order to be successful
[21:45] <k1l> but blindly reinstalling is just windows crap problem solvin
[21:45] <Anthony-L> snowgoggles: i agree
[21:46] <Anthony-L> the good part is, i am learning.
[21:47] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L:  k1l is absolutely correct no point in moving 1 step forward 2---20 steps back
[21:48] <Anthony-L> i agree with k1s statement also. it's an easy way out.
[21:49] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: i think at your currernt level we should setup system restore snapshots on your system...that way you can screw around with settings you aren't familiar with yet and easily restore your system in less than 10 minutes
[21:50] <Anthony-L> i just really wish someone was physically at my house to see the situation. i really don't know if i'm even explaining it correctly.
[21:50] <Anthony-L> in a nutshell, i do know that gtx 970 and nvidia 361 drivers do not get along on ubuntu 16.04
[21:51] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: nah....see this all the time...no worries...your system just needs specific configs that's all
[21:51] <k1l> you could see if there is a ubuntu loco or LUG in your location. that guys offer help
[21:51] <k1l> but i still think you are burning time and effort with doing the wrong steps the whole time.
[21:51] <Anthony-L> k1l: yea, i do waste a lot of time.
[21:52] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: to be honest...this is a dev release and changing daily until official release in late april...so everyone should expect breakage until then
[21:52] <k1l> Anthony-L: so _why_ are you not looking into the logs why the system doesnt work now?
[21:52] <Anthony-L> snowgoggles: i know this.
[21:53] <k1l> it makes you look like hammering on top of a car and not looking once under the bonnet.
[21:53] <Anthony-L> k1l: in windows there was an event viewer that recorded every crash and was readily accessible in the gui. i know this is linux and i need to learn some commands to get to those logs.
[21:54] <k1l> Anthony-L: the logs are stored in /var/log/. syslog is very good. or the Xorg.log.
[21:54] <snowgoggles> Anthony-L: i'm about to have dinner now so do me a favour....start with creating a persistent usb live stick...you will have to create one...the default live iso creation doesn't create a persistent version...so if not familiar please look it up...i will be back later
[21:57] <Anthony-L> yea, i'm goin to do some yard work. it's a nice day. i'll be back on later.
[21:58] <Anthony-L> snowgoggles: i could screen share so you can see the whole process of what i do. it would make both our lives easier.
[21:58] <Anthony-L> snowgoggles: i'll be back later
[21:59] <k1l> Anthony-L: why in hell are you not loading thos logsfile i named to a pastebin and show them us?
[21:59] <k1l> all you do is reinstalling and saying linux is difficult and burning peoples engagement to help.
[22:02] <Anthony-L> k1l: no one told me to do that.
[22:02] <Anthony-L> k1l: until now
[22:03] <Anthony-L> i'm on my laptop right running windows. that's how i'm in this chat.
[22:03] <Anthony-L> i'm not on the ubuntu system.
[22:03] <Anthony-L> right now*
[22:04] <k1l> either on recovery or you load a usb/dvd-system and grap the files from the disk.
[23:21] <dasjoe> My Bay Trail NUC (DN2820FYKH) doesn't really like 16.04 so far, is there some way to "restart" the GPU without restarting X?
[23:35] <Anthony-L> hi


[02:07] <chucko> is the correct channel for user help?
[02:08] <chucko> can someone help. I have a intel based z77 motherboard with intel graphics. when viewing tv I get stuttered video.
[02:15] <chucko> can some help. I am running mythbuntu 12.04.2 with mythtv .26 on z77 motherboard with intel based graphics. I get stuttered video when watching tv
[09:44] <zagbot> is this user support or development channel
[09:49] <SteveGoodey> user support.


[00:06] <LancsMike> ok....sorry, I have another question.....
[00:06] <LancsMike> On OpenShot, how do you add bullet points to animate into the pictures you are setting up in the timeline?
[00:22] <LancsMike> Thanks all and good night!!
[00:24] <AlanBell> ●◎○
[00:24] <AlanBell> bullets
[06:37] <knightwise> Good morning everyone
[07:00] <sagaci> hi knightwise
[07:07] <knightwise> how are you today
[08:09] <awilkins> Bloke here on train with about 5,000 lines of C# in one file >_<
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: as long as it's not in one function...
[08:11] <awilkins> No, not that bad.
[08:12] <awilkins> Can't really read it discretely across the aisle. He has a Thinkpad, that engenders a certain degree of respect.
[08:12] <awilkins> We're going Dell for our workstation class laptops, apparently.
[08:13] <sagaci> just awkwardly cough *cough* I use patent-encumbered Mono *cough*
[08:14] <awilkins> I like C# as a language, not sure how I feel about the patent thing.
[08:15] <awilkins> On the one hand I think it's really unlikely that MS will brave the wrath of the EU by suing someone for using Mono.
[08:16] <awilkins> On the other, I'm mostly a Java coder these days...
[08:21] <AlanBell> morning all o/
[08:21] <awilkins> \o
[08:22]  * AlanBell dabbles in all languages, but not c# so far, never come across it
[08:23] <AlanBell> python, php, java, javascript normally
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> Perl for work, Python at home. Java when I try my hand at Android apps.
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> And C# when Banshee breaks
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> oh and javascript at work
[08:25] <AlanBell> I use kill -9 when banshee breaks
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: sure, but my banshee breaks in interesting ways
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it doesn't recognise my phone, for example
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> so I added some logging
[08:26] <awilkins> Banshee usually kills itself..
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> and I found out it doesn't even try
[08:30] <awilkins> Not sure about all the new bits of C# sine 2.0
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> I don't know anything about C# other than "If I type this and recompile, new stuff gets logged"
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> copy/paste trickery
[08:36] <AlanBell> some languages like to sprinkle semicolons everywhere, others don't.
[08:36] <AlanBell> that is all you need to know about programming
[08:50] <daubers> Morning
[08:51] <danfish> morning
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: also, {} vs spaces
[08:55] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: christmas tree chap just phoned me back to confirm
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks - I booked too the other day.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Same place and time
[08:58] <MooDoo> moring all
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> Mooring, MooDoo
[09:04] <MooDoo> hello MartijnVdS
[09:13] <DJones> Morning all
[09:16] <czajkowski> morning
[09:21]  * daubers needs stronger coffee
[09:22] <daubers> and the postman to bring his components he ordered
[09:22] <daubers> and a book on grammar
[09:23] <AlanBell> eats shoots and leaves
[09:23]  * AlanBell wonders if there is an excuse to go to London this afternoon
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: London Eye?
[09:24] <AlanBell> something more businesslike :)
[09:33] <JamesTait> I can't believe it's that time already, but Happy December everyone! :)
[09:34] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:35] <JamesTait> bigcalm: o/
[09:39] <oimon> http://www.t3.com/news/apple-employee-fired-for-facebook-rant
[09:48] <DJones> oimon: I saw that a few days ago, apparently Apple employees aren't allowed to say anything detrimental about Apple
[09:48] <oimon> it's funny, i'm re-reading 1984 atm ..
[09:48] <oimon> it was only a boy cursing his phone
[09:54] <MooDoo> oimon: detremental to the companies image....personally i would of decked the person who grassed
[09:54] <popey> bah
[09:54] <popey> lug.org.uk is down
[09:54] <MooDoo> you broke it popey ?
[09:54] <popey> no
[10:10] <JamesTait> jnick_tait: Hi! o/
[10:11] <jnick_tait> JamesTait: hello
[10:11] <daubers> AlanBell: I'm tempted to goto the science museum for the robot exhibition
[10:13] <JamesTait> Nice to see a fellow Tait around. :)
[10:15] <gord> if only we had an Alan Tait
[10:15] <oimon> or tait modern
[10:15] <daubers> gord: I thought we'd already exceeded our Alan Quota
[10:15] <AlanBell> there is no quota
[10:16] <JamesTait> My dad's middle name is Alan.
[10:16] <gord> we have enough for them to spoil any and all broths
[10:16] <JamesTait> Not quite the same.
[10:16] <MooDoo> gord: we also need a titfur
[10:17] <jnick_tait> JamesTait: the cool thing is that my first name is James too
[10:17] <MooDoo> arrrrrrrrrrrr two james taits?
[10:17] <daubers> AlanBell: Because all Alans are one?
[10:17] <JamesTait> jnick_tait: Let the world cower in fear. :)
[10:17] <jnick_tait> :-)
[10:31] <gord> oh right
[10:31] <gord> happy mailman day!
[10:32] <MooDoo> oh no :(
[10:32] <MooDoo> lol
[10:38] <dogmatic69> my ubuntu10.10 is getting real slow :( after opening a terminal window it takes about 30 seconds before the prompt shows
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what does "top" say? is something running at 100% CPU?
[10:39] <dogmatic69> i just rebooted and load average is 10
[10:39] <dogmatic69> chrome is 50%
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> try latencytop
[10:41] <j0nr> I have given up on chrome, seems to slow everything down
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> j0nr: at least it's not firefox
[10:41] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: installed that, what am i looking for?
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: the top of the screen -- apps doing massive amounts of i/o
[10:42] <j0nr> MartijnVdS: Well running Firefox things don't seem to slow down
[10:42] <dogmatic69> fsync 750ms
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: yes that's the call.. but it should be telling you which process is doing that
[10:43] <AlanBell> can anyone think of a reason why postgres might fail to support TLS when connected to from a particular IP address?
[10:43] <dogmatic69> if i click fsync, it has jbd2_log_wait_commit ext4_sync_file vfs_fsync_range etc
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: pg_hba.conf not having "ssl" in the entry for that host?
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: _click_?>
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: latencytop isn't a gui app
[10:43] <dogmatic69> :O
[10:44] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: sudo apt-get install latencytop, then ran 'latencytop' and it complained about sudo, so 'sudo latencytop' which opened up a little window
[10:45] <MooDoo> AlanBell: does the ip in the cert match the hostname of the calling server?
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: strange
[10:45]  * MartijnVdS tries
[10:45] <MooDoo> AlanBell: just read that from the net...
[10:45] <AlanBell> MooDoo: no certs, anonymous TLS
[10:45] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: it does not look like the screenie here http://www.latencytop.org/
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: hey it's graphical now
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: Check the "targets" list
[10:46] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: which program is at the top?
[10:46] <dogmatic69> global
[10:46] <dogmatic69> then, sendmail
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: sure, that's always on top
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I guess you have a large sendmail queue?
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: try "mailq"
[10:47] <dogmatic69> 8k
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: 8k? as in 8kb or 8000 mails?
[10:47] <dogmatic69> latter
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: that's waht causing your slowness
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> sendmail tries to read/send all those files
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> check /var/log/mail.log
[10:48] <dogmatic69> bah
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you may want to fix  that :)
[10:48] <dogmatic69> i think so
[10:48] <dogmatic69> checking the log now
[10:48] <AlanBell> let me rephrase my question because I am full of fail /o\
[10:49] <AlanBell> can anyone think of a reason why post*fix* might fail to support TLS when connected to from a particular IP address?
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because it has a blacklist entry in its configuration?
[10:49] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: log is full of Dec  1 10:48:53 ultra-magnus sm-mta[1772]: pASB0MG7026736: to=root, delay=2+23:29:09, xdelay=00:00:00, ...
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: "something" is sending an email
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: probably cron jobs
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you need to configure (or remove) sendmail, or install a replacement and configure that properly (nullmailer, for example)
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> then the mails will end up in YOUR mailbox and you can see what's wrong
[10:51] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: my + sudo crontab is empty
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: sure, but /etc/cron.d/ isn't  (or /etc/cron.daily, etc.)
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you might be able to look at the email content in /var/spool/ somewhere
[10:52] <dogmatic69> var/spool/mail is empty
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: that's delivered mail
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I don't know where sendmail stores those files, please look around in /var a bit :)
[10:53] <dogmatic69> ah, it would be empty... hence the problem :D
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you might be able to fix it by doing dpkg-reconfigure sendmail
[10:54] <dogmatic69> var/spool/mqueue
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: and then selecting "Local delivery only"
[10:55] <dogmatic69> sudo dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-
[10:55] <dogmatic69> sendmail-base  sendmail-bin   sendmail-cf
[10:55] <dogmatic69> which one?
[11:06] <MooDoo> omg i'm so sick of support right now :D lol
[11:06] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: not figured out the config yet, but its much better now
[11:22] <popey> golly. john lewis sell chromebooks now http://www.johnlewis.com/Chromebooks/Chromebooks/Chromebooks/SubCategory.aspx
[11:23] <MooDoo> oooo yeah, 299 for the basic one :)
[11:24] <oimon> popey: i didn't have the same experience as you with mint - i get ubuntu security updates i think
[11:24] <gord> heh, i like that "Login" is one of the things they eliminated to increase how fast you "get to the web"
[11:25] <oimon> haven't heard about chrome for a while
[11:26] <davmor2> morning all
[11:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:33] <popey> oimon: you do get them, but mint recommend you dont install them
[11:34] <DJones> Definition of a hard drive according to the john lewis website "Built in memory used for storing your audio and video files etc"
[11:34] <DJones> I guess its right in its simplest form
[11:40]  * AlanBell slaps CISCO firewalls very very hard
[11:40] <DJones> Interesting recruitment method http://www.canyoucrackit.co.uk/
[11:41] <DJones> Linked from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15968878
[11:41] <popey> thats one for ali1234 & AlanBell ☺
[11:41]  * davmor2 lends AlanBell one of his WORK YOU *ADD EXPLETIVE* Mallets if you're going to do a job don't do it half hearted hit it with this :)
[11:42] <AlanBell> it intercepts and interfers with SMTP traffic
[11:42] <iclebyte> anyone here good with the suits?
[11:42] <ali1234> popey: i think i broke the canonical recruitment page :/
[11:42] <AlanBell> strips out STARTTLS from the server response amongst other stuff
[11:43] <popey> heh
[11:43] <ali1234> popey: precisely
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: who needs privacy!
[11:45] <AlanBell> we just spent 2 hours tracing this thing with telnet to port 25
[11:51] <kvarley> Are there any sites you know of where I can find out how to build a compact, low power, fanless pc? I saw on youtube a guy made one from an Intel Desktop Board with an atom processor to run Ubuntu on was all
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there aren't many sites that teach you that one specific thing
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> it's just "building a PC" while buying the least noisy parts :)
[11:51] <occupy64k> I'm using a mini-itx board which is fanless
[11:53] <oimon> iclebyte: what's your question?
[11:53] <kvarley> occupy64k: What CPU and case do you have?
[11:54] <occupy64k> It's an atom CPU.  The motherboard is Intel D525MW
[11:54] <occupy64k> And I'm running off of a USB thumb drive, so no hard disk
[11:54] <popey> kvarley: why do you want to build one, why not just buy one?
[11:55] <occupy64k> The case is, well, "home made"
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> Welded sheets of iron?
[11:55] <kvarley> popey: The few ones I looked at were the cost of a gaming rig for an eighth of the power
[11:55] <occupy64k> Almost
[11:56] <popey> kvarley: whats it going to be used for?
[11:56] <kvarley> popey: Web browsing / Instant Messaging / Playing video
[11:56] <kvarley> I realise that if I want passively cooled I will likely have to sacrifice the video playing part
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> nah
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> recent CPUs (and GPUs) come with built-in H.264 decoders
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> so even 1080p should be possible
[11:58] <kvarley> =]
[11:58] <popey> kvarley: get a revo?
[11:58] <popey> revos do have fans but they generally only kick in when the GPU is in heavy use
[11:58] <popey> (I have two on my desk here, they're by no means noisy
[11:59] <kvarley> popey: But they do have fans?
[11:59] <popey> it has a fan on the gpu
[11:59] <popey> a tiny one
[11:59] <kvarley> hhmm
[11:59] <kvarley> You're running Ubuntu on them?
[11:59] <popey> http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/105218_inside.jpg
[11:59] <popey> yes
[12:00] <popey> my mum has one as her desktop pc
[12:00] <popey> she basically does email, facebook, youtube
[12:00] <kvarley> Ah yes, I recall mumbuntu from the uupc =]
[12:01] <bigcalm> I have a revo on my desk that acts as my web dev server, fan only kicks in when it needs to do heavy number crunching
[12:02] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: What model of revo do you have?
[12:02] <bigcalm> Bother, 128gb ssd are still expensive
[12:02] <bigcalm> r3600
[12:02] <popey> sa,e
[12:02] <popey> *same
[12:02] <popey> 3 of them
[12:02] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: Thanks
[12:02] <kvarley> popey: They're good then? ;)
[12:02] <popey> heh
[12:02] <popey> I have SSD's in two of them
[12:03] <awilkins> Joy, my router has crashed
[12:03] <popey> and upped to 4GB RAM
[12:03] <bigcalm> I upgraded to 4gb ram but currently it has a 32bit 10.04.3 on it :(
[12:03] <bigcalm> Will rectify that with 12.04 next year
[12:04] <bigcalm> I wonder how it will cope with unity
[12:04] <andylockran> guys, is there a command to cat the 27th line of our  a file?
[12:04] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: Is the esata port on the back esatap or just esata? (Does it provide power to the hdd or not?)
[12:04] <bigcalm> Pass
[12:04] <bigcalm> You'll have to look it up
[12:04] <popey> dunno
[12:05] <popey> however I dont think the newer revo has esata at all
[12:05] <bigcalm> Aye, our revos are the old versions that I don't think are available any more
[12:06] <kvarley> I'll look at various nettops I guess, thanks for the help
[12:06] <bigcalm> Welcome
[12:06] <kvarley> I want a more powerful companion to my RaspberryPi when I get it
[12:13] <AlanBell> life is a minestrone, and so is my lunch
[12:13] <oimon> anyone else had update-apt-xapi making ubuntu 11.10 vista-like?
[12:14] <oimon> i terms of unusable performance
[12:16] <brobostigon> oimon, i had that problem, many years ago, didnt figure out why, not seen it recently.
[12:17]  * davmor2 saw the mine part of AlanBell's last message and thought Oh God even AlanBell is talking about life and MineCraft now :)
[12:18] <oimon> brobostigon: which distro you runnign right now?
[12:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: there's only one minecraft....ONE MINECRAFT
[12:19] <brobostigon> oimon, debian sid + experimental.
[12:19] <oimon> DE?
[12:19] <brobostigon> oimon, plain gnome3 with gnome-shell.
[12:20] <oimon> + gnome shell extensions?
[12:20] <brobostigon> no.
[12:21] <oimon> have you tried them?
[12:21] <brobostigon> no.
[12:21] <brobostigon> oimon, are you refferring to mint extensions?
[12:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: You say that but there is MineCraft Mobile too :P
[12:21] <brobostigon> mints*
[12:22] <oimon> yes, i think so, however they are installable in deb/ubuntu
[12:22] <oimon> (of course)
[12:22] <brobostigon> oimon, in which case, no, i havent tried them, and there is dicussion about packaging them into debian.
[12:23] <oimon> they make gnome shell usable :)
[12:23] <brobostigon> oimon, i am happy, how gnoome-shell is now, for the most part, there are sopme niggly issues, but nothing hugely major, for me.
[12:24] <oimon> i cannot get over the number of clicks required to do anything in the default shell#
[12:25] <brobostigon> oimon, i do very little clicking, i do most stuff from my keyboard.
[12:25] <popey> +1
[12:25] <popey> keyboard > mouse
[12:26] <davmor2> just me still using the mouse then
[12:26] <oimon> davmor2: me too
[12:27] <davmor2> oimon: that one reason I prefer Unity over gnomeshell all the apps down the side that I need 1 click
[12:27] <oimon> mouse shuffle then click
[12:35] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: The revo looks remarkably good. Quiet, powerful, loads of useful ports and stuff. =
[12:35] <gord> i should get another revo, its been a few months since i have bought one
[12:36] <kvarley> gord: Haha, addicted to buying revos?
[12:36] <monsterwizard> is there a site where Ican do excerices involving linux commands
[12:36] <bigcalm> Still pondering replacing my parents' Viglen MPC-L with a Revo. Maybe get myself a newer one
[12:43] <oimon> brobostigon: the window list extension is a bit ugly looking, hopefully that can be tarted up. oh look, there's update-apt-xapian-index eating my machine http://i.imgur.com/omnGn.png
[12:47] <brobostigon> oimon, ah, let me look. i am familier with what update-apt-xapian can do. :)
[12:47] <oimon> i think it happens because i was dual booting
[12:48] <oimon> when i boot back into ubuntu it shags it for the first 15 mins
[12:48] <smittix> Afternoon all
[12:48] <oimon> because i hadn't booted into 11.10 for a while
[12:48] <oimon> need to renice it lower i guess
[12:50] <oimon> stuff that is set to run ASAP after boot like that is not friendly to the user, and rather windows-ish
[12:52] <popey> pretty sure update manager doesnt run right after boot
[12:52] <popey> it has a built in delay of some minutes, so it doesn't punch you in the face after boot
[12:56] <ging> mine used to pop up at the exact same time each day, then it stopped doing that, now it's random
[12:58] <oimon> it's seizing up a system that used to be OK with earlier releases. what is it actually doing?
[13:00] <DJones> Does anybody use the lovefilm service? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/01/lovefilm_dumps_flash/ Moving to MS Silverlight
[13:03] <dogmatic69> silverlight was dropped by MS
[13:03] <dogmatic69> sure ive read something like thtat
[13:03] <gord> i use it, but via the ps3
[13:03] <DJones> dogmatic69: I've seen reports of rumours its going to be dropped, don't think its been confirmed
[13:04] <DJones> dogmatic69: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/microsoft_killing_silverlight_rumours/
[13:04] <chrisjrob> they have confirmed that they are concentrating on HTML5
[13:04] <chrisjrob> which is tantamount to the same thing
[13:04] <chrisjrob> would have thought silverlight was a very peculiar decision
[13:04] <chrisjrob> for love film
[13:05] <gord> microsoft is a biiiiiiiiig company, the left hand saying they are concentrating on HTML5 does not mean that the right hand is also doing that
[13:06]  * chrisjrob nods
[13:06] <chrisjrob> true
[13:08] <chrisjrob> but their default browser will probably not support it
[13:08] <chrisjrob> metro IE
[13:09] <chrisjrob> tbh it is almost immaterial whether they kill it or not - HTML5 will win by being better, it'll just take time
[13:09] <gordonjcp> anyone got any pointers on tracking down suspend problems in 11.10?
[13:10] <gord> i don't think html5 is in a state where it is "better", however, it is more accessible, coming by default in modern browsers and phones
[13:10] <chrisjrob> and doesn't need plugins
[13:10] <gord> especially audio in html5, which is damn near awful
[13:11] <chrisjrob> i have tried implementing video in HTML5 and it's a bit basic and not universally supported
[13:11] <davmor2> gord: I think the advantage comes from the fact that you don't have to refactor all of you code to work on different platforms it just magically works
[13:12] <gord> davmor2, with html5? ehhhh, you'll always need (if browser == "browser_that_thinks_its_special) { do_different_thing() })
[13:12] <chrisjrob> less so these days
[13:13] <chrisjrob> in fact quite surprisingly good in IE these days
[13:13] <davmor2> gord: yeah but it's a minor code change rather than a complete code rewrite to work with flash or silverlight or ......
[13:13] <gord> Dart might make that kind of stuff less annoying, though honestly no one is going to use Dart
[13:15] <gord> davmor2, remind me, next thurs at the lighthouse right?
[13:19] <bigcalm> Yeah, during my week off!
[13:21] <directhex> silverlight is on its deathbed
[13:21] <directhex> but the big studios want moar DRMs
[13:22] <directhex> just you wait for DRM-enabled <video> tags. that's what MS will mean when they keep saying "native html5"
[13:22] <directhex> IE-only DRM'd <video>
[13:32] <daubers> Anyone else getting suckered into the code breaking thing that went up today?
[13:33] <gord> hrm?
[13:33] <awilkins> I looked and mused about some of the odd sequences
[13:33] <awilkins> GCHQ are recruiting with games.
[13:34] <awilkins> They could at least have posted the code as text. Unless it's a red herring and the answer is steganographically hidden in the PNG
[13:34] <oimon> https://twitter.com/#!/BBCClick/status/142209117904322560 << response to livefilm announcement?
[13:35] <AlanBell> awilkins: I was wondering about that, seems unneccessarily hard
[13:35] <AlanBell> awilkins: they could have put it as text in the source or something
[13:36] <oimon> daubers: link?
[13:36] <daubers> http://www.canyoucrackit.co.uk/
[13:36] <awilkins> Real crypto is virtually impossible to crack, not sure who this kind of crossword puzzle stuff recruits these days.
[13:37] <awilkins> But I suppose they need a mix.
[13:37] <awilkins> "Overspecialize and you breed in weakness. It's slow death."
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: real crypto is surprisingly easy to crack if you know who has the key
[13:37]  * MartijnVdS gets his torture machines
[13:40] <oimon> http://www.canyoucrackit.co.uk/15b436de1f9107f3778aad525e5d0b20.js
[13:41] <awilkins> No! Not the X-Factor Tour Album!
[13:43] <awilkins> Now it looks more interesting.
[13:43] <davmor2> gord: possibly I'm looking to see who else is coming at the moment might just be you and me in which case I might postpone till January
[13:44] <gord> davmor2, cool cool, just let me know
[13:44] <DJones> daubers: the canyoucrackit test has been up since the beginning of November according to bbc website
[13:44] <DJones> Just not been publiscised
[13:47] <danfish> 42 <- there, that's that crypto thing solved
[13:47] <chrisjrob> danfish: ah, but what was the question?
[13:48] <smittix> Don't suppose anyone knows a plugin for wordpress that will auto share a new post on wordpress?
[13:48] <danfish> chrisjrob: could tell, have to kill you blah blah blah - I'm with GCHQ now :P
[13:49] <chrisjrob> :(
[13:49]  * chrisjrob orders a new danfish to be built
[13:50] <czajkowski> danfish: when we going rugby watching
[13:50] <AlanBell> oimon: how did you get to that?
[13:50] <danfish> chrisjrob: thankfully they broke the mould after me :)
[13:50] <danfish> czajkowski: def in the new year - fancy going to quins?
[13:51] <MooDoo> woohoo quins :D
[13:51] <czajkowski> danfish: yup
[13:51] <czajkowski> definately
[13:51] <MooDoo> my fave team :D
[13:51] <czajkowski> as long as the weekend of FOSDEM is out
[13:51] <czajkowski> we should start to plan this
[13:51] <oimon> AlanBell: i'd like to give you a fancy answer..but it's google
[13:52] <danfish> which weekend is FOSDEM?
[13:52] <directhex> 5th i think
[13:52] <czajkowski> smittix: what do you mean autoshare
[13:52] <directhex> 4th/5th
[13:52] <czajkowski> aye
[13:52] <oimon> AlanBell: site: command
[13:52] <directhex> i'll be there, as always
[13:52] <directhex> i hope my talk proposal is accepted
[13:52] <czajkowski> can it have less cats please
[13:53] <AlanBell> oimon: well that one looks like a very straightforward challenge
[13:54] <danfish> czajkowski: I know quins need to rearrange their schedule a bit - should be finalised next week apparently
[13:54] <AlanBell> not easy, but straightforward
[13:54] <AlanBell> implement the function to the spec provided and it will spit out the answer
[13:55] <czajkowski> danfish: cool then we should create an event and folks can buy tickets :)
[13:55] <czajkowski> and the beer and nibbles aftterwards
[13:55] <czajkowski> danfish: do not have a conference clashing and get  a day pass!
[13:56] <oimon> AlanBell: maybe unrelated
[13:56] <MooDoo> czajkowski: danfish damn you two that's my fave team....i might have to come to that one
[13:57] <danfish> czajkowski: definitely - I don't even have to research a pub - the Turk's Head is the bees knees
[13:57] <danfish> MooDoo: you should do
[13:58] <MooDoo> danfish: yeah as it's quins, i'm going to have to try for this one.
[13:58] <AlanBell> oimon: well this is stage 2 of the puzzle, solving it presumably tells you where stage 3 is
[14:00] <czajkowski> danfish: coool well once we have a date set lets get this underway
[14:01] <MooDoo> :D
[14:02] <danfish> czajkowski: no probs.
[14:02] <czajkowski> yay
[14:03] <danfish> will prob need a 'pick me up' in Jan/Feb - cruel months
[14:04] <MooDoo> danfish: how come? if you don't mind me asking
[14:04] <danfish> MooDoo: post-xmas, always dark going to and coming from work.
[14:04] <awilkins> Can't move the volume slider with keyboard either, AlanBell
[14:05] <AlanBell> awilkins: yeah, indeed
[14:06] <AlanBell> unity is a funny mix of only really working with a keyboard, and only really working with a mouse
[14:06] <MooDoo> danfish: ah that old chestnut
[14:06] <MooDoo> i think we should have a pre christmas ubuntu uk hangout on google + :)
[14:07] <AlanBell> MooDoo: we should!
[14:07] <awilkins> Unity 2D is a funny mix of being 2D, but needing OpenGL compositing or it looks like ass.
[14:07] <oimon> is there still a 10 person limit on hangout?
[14:07] <gordonjcp> urgh
[14:07] <awilkins> Little bits of redraw corruption everywhere
[14:07] <gordonjcp> that middle-click bug in Ubuntu's firefox package is annoying as hell
[14:08] <gordonjcp> especially since updates obliterate locally-changed files
[14:08] <MooDoo> ok everyone, any suggestions for the date of a pre christmas google+ hangout :D
[14:08] <oimon> wondering whether to use ubuntu + add bits from mint + remove other bits , or use mint and add bits from ubuntu
[14:08] <awilkins> Switched to Nouveau / 2D because nvidia / Unity was hard-crashing my machine too much.
[14:08] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: middle click closes tabs for me, what did you want it to do?
[14:08] <oimon> check the capacitors on the video card awilkins
[14:09] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: paste URL into an open tab
[14:09] <oimon> had that problem and the caps had spewed up some froth
[14:09] <gordonjcp> ie. select URL in another window, middle click on a firefox window and it opens the URL
[14:09] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: it has been deliberately spragged in Ubuntu
[14:09] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: middle click in the url bar pastes the url for me
[14:09] <gordonjcp> not in the URL bar, in the content pane of the window
[14:10] <awilkins> No name : I'll have a peek, but it's rock steady on Windows / games.
[14:10] <AlanBell> err, but that does the scrolly thing
[14:10] <gordonjcp> much easier since you don't have to clear the URL bar without accidentally selecting, or creating a new tab
[14:10] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: not that I've noticed...
[14:11] <AlanBell> for me middle clicking a firefox window with scrollbars makes a circle appear with a dot in it and up and down arrows, I can then move the mouse relative to the circle to control the scroll speed
[14:13] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: might be because I have autoscrolling selected in the advanced preferences
[14:16] <gord> i enable auto-scroll because middle click (used to at least) open a new empty tab
[14:21] <oimon> brobostigon: ah, i discovered that update-apt-xapian-index has a -u switch
[14:21] <oimon> -u incremental update, reindexing only those packages whose version has changed since the last run
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> WTF is xapian?
[14:22] <gord> considering reducing the noise my phone makes when i have a meeting to go to to 30 seconds and replacing the noise with the countdown music...
[14:22] <oimon> a gremlin that lives inside your machine and jumps on the CPU and hard drive
[14:23] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: iirc it is the DB for package searching in most of the package managers
[14:23] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: a library/thing for doing indexed searching of stuff
[14:23] <daubers> gord: But get the people from IT crowd doing t rather than the real music!
[14:24] <gord> i like that episode :)
[14:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://xapian.org/
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> ah so it's apt showing its internals on the outside
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> ewww :)
[14:26] <oimon> once a week it rebuilds the index, but wondering if really necessary as it kills the machine. so why not just update the index
[14:26] <oimon> the machine has ubuntu+xubuntu+kubuntu+lubuntu+gnome shell on it
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> so lots of installed packages
[14:27] <oimon> a few :$
[14:28] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: no, it's an optional extra component that significantly speeds up searching (and possibly also dependency resolution, but don't quote me on that, I'm basically just going with what's potentially possible)
[14:39] <popey> gord: willcooke has the BBC startup sound when he logs in, it's ace. Boop-beep!
[14:39] <popey> I want that on my phone
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> is that like the Gameboy startup sound?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/gp2x.cgi?0,0,0,0,59,2681 ?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> http://8bs.com/sounds.htm ?
[14:42] <oimon> i had an electron...not such a beefy sound
[14:42]  * oimon is floating in nostalgia land
[14:43]  * MartijnVdS had a clone PC (8MHz)
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> it did weird things with it floppy and printer motors at boot
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> then the hard disk started to "beep" while reading
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> or whistle
[14:44] <gord> someone should make a ZXSpectrum emulator for phones, you could load the games by playing the taps on a tape player and having the phone listen to the sound
[14:44] <oimon> think i might change my text message sound
[14:45] <davmor2> gord: nice free time project for you by the look of it :)
[14:47] <gord> davmor2, my free time is dominated with saving princess zelda
[14:47] <gord> someone has to
[14:48] <oimon> i'll help after dec 25th with a gold wii controller
[14:49] <davmor2> gord: you're a sad sad man ;)
[14:50] <oimon> in the meantime i'm playing oblivion
[14:50] <oimon> not sure if it's worth the time investment yet though
[14:50] <oimon> seem to be running around in caves a lot atm
[14:50] <gord> davmor2, you misspelled "fantastic"
[14:51] <daubers> gord: Your princess is in another castle
[14:52] <gord> daubers, wrong game series ;)
[14:52] <davmor2> gord: no pretty sure it's alway zelda
[14:52] <daubers> gord: I always felt that they should mix the two
[14:53] <gord> princess is in another castle is from mario ;) about peach
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> Princess Preach
[14:54] <davmor2> gord: peach I thought it was toadstool
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Toad said it about Peach
[14:54] <gord> toad isn't a princess!
[14:55] <gord> daubers, http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/534416 there you go
[14:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Peach is her first name now it makes sense
[14:55] <davmor2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Peach
[15:10] <ali1234> if anyone is interested, that GCHQ code posted earlier appears to be a DOS .com file. i'm not going to attempt to run executables from spying agencies on any computers i care about...
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you can run it through a disassembler
[15:11] <oimon> in a VM
[15:13] <daubers> gord: Afternoon productivity -10000
[15:14]  * oimon has a little snigger when people think my made-up-name account is a real person
[15:14] <oimon> e.g. jacob jaguar , barry badger and tom cat
[15:17]  * AlanBell suspects the .com file will just output 15b436de1f9107f3778aad525e5d0b20.js
[15:17] <shauno> eh, I came across at chap by the name of "randy sailor".  I find most names believable now
[15:18] <AlanBell> oh, maybe it outputs a word that you type into the page to get to the javascript
[15:19] <dogmatic69> shauno: his parents must have a good sense of humor
[15:19] <oimon> i knew a randy walerus too
[15:20] <shauno> I believe it doesn't carry the same meaning in the US
[15:20] <oimon> for their loss
[15:21] <DJones> They're as good as the couple we had at work booking their honeymoon, it was a Miss O. Something was marrying a Mr Krap, I can't image anybody wanting to be known as "Mrs O Krap"
[15:23] <popey> AlanBell: dosbox?
[15:26] <shauno> why's deadbeef written big-endian?
[15:26] <czajkowski> DJones: dr. I'm missing Mr. Krap
[15:26] <czajkowski> sooo soo many jokes
[15:29] <KrisDouglas> I cannot get my head around the ubuntu distro names, surely a panda is cuter than a pangolin.
[15:30] <popey> they're not supposed to be cute
[15:30] <popey> warthog?
[15:30] <KrisDouglas> popey, but everyone knows cute is better :P
[15:30] <popey> OSX Lion?
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> lions are cute
[15:31] <gordonjcp> lions are cute
[15:31] <popey> small ones, yeah ☺
[15:31] <gordonjcp> big snuggly cats
[15:31] <popey> ☺
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> Is there a document that actually explains the naming?
[15:31] <AlanBell> ice cream sandwich
[15:31] <popey> yes
[15:31] <gordonjcp> you just don't want to encourage them to start play-fighting
[15:31] <popey> mark explains each name in a blog post / mailing list post
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> because I always get laughed at when someone hears the name of the current ubuntu release
[15:31] <popey> or jono
[15:31] <gordonjcp> need to make sure that they know you are the Big Cat and they are the Little Cats
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> my grilfriend still loves that heron
[15:31] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[15:31] <popey> KrisDouglas: dont give the name then
[15:31] <popey> use version numbersa
[15:32] <gordonjcp> KrisDouglas: the heron graphic for the desktop was lovely
[15:32] <gordonjcp> also
[15:32] <popey> yeah, still the best t-shirt
[15:32] <KrisDouglas> popey, in an office full of geeks they always ask me what the name is now
[15:32] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784
[15:32] <KrisDouglas> it's a running joke
[15:32] <gordonjcp> Heron-era Ubuntu had a way nicer colour scheme
[15:32] <gordonjcp> the current colour scheme is frankly horrific
[15:32] <DJones> KrisDouglas: If the ubuntu codenames are odd, try these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names
[15:32] <popey> see also fedora names
[15:33] <popey> Beefy Miracle anyone?
[15:33] <AlanBell> KrisDouglas: android has sillier names, osX has big cat names, fedora has ridiculous names
[15:33] <gordonjcp> the white, grey and purple thing, jeez
[15:33]  * BigRedS is currently using Squeeze and Wheezy :/
[15:33] <gordonjcp> looks like my desktop has septicaemia
[15:33] <DJones> beefy miracle sounds like Bovril
[15:33] <KrisDouglas> I think the food names has worked really well for Android
[15:33] <AlanBell> DJones: for reasons nobody understands beefy miracle is associated with a pork sausage in a bun
[15:33] <KrisDouglas> food names have**
[15:34] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: ah yes cause who doesn't want to go to a sweet shop after reading them
[15:34] <dogmatic69> :O Sheep on Meth
[15:34] <czajkowski> I am not looking forward to Q name
[15:34] <DJones> AlanBell: That must be something American
[15:34] <KrisDouglas> I wish there was another release before the end of this year. Rabid Reindeer.
[15:34] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#Q  suggestions
[15:34] <KrisDouglas> I had to skip Q because that one is rubbish
[15:34] <KrisDouglas> Quail?
[15:35] <popey> Quagga!
[15:35] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: oddly nobody has suggested reindeer for R
[15:35] <KrisDouglas> I <3 reindeer.
[15:35] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#Q
[15:35] <czajkowski> bah
[15:35] <DJones> Quirky Quokka
[15:35] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#R
[15:35] <quagga> yeah! Quagga!
[15:36] <KrisDouglas> Randy Raccoon??
[15:36] <czajkowski> no chinny raccoon :)
[15:36] <czajkowski> as it should be from lugradio
[15:36] <KrisDouglas> R should be roadrunner
[15:37] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: anyone can add suggestions to the wiki
[15:37] <KrisDouglas> I will, trust me :)
[15:38] <KrisDouglas> Ruthless Ringworm
[15:38] <KrisDouglas> I can't see myself using an OS with that name :)
[15:38] <KrisDouglas> Not that that has any real bearing on it
[15:39] <oimon> i'm going to use beefy miracle even if it's rubbish
[15:40] <gordonjcp> KrisDouglas: that doesn't fit the naming scheme
[15:40] <gordonjcp> since ringworm is a fungal infection rather than actually a worm
[15:42] <KrisDouglas> gordonjcp, foiled.
[15:42] <KrisDouglas> oimon, what is beefy miracle?
[15:42] <oimon> the next defora release Kri
[15:43] <KrisDouglas> sounds like a newborn anal-dwelling buttmonkey.
[15:43] <oimon> fedora
[15:45] <MooDoo> o/ beefy miracle :D
[15:45] <KrisDouglas> What was going though their minds when they thought of that?
[15:45] <MooDoo> http://beefymiracle.org/
[15:45] <MooDoo> hehe we had fun picking that one :d
[15:46] <oimon> it's brilliant
[15:46] <MooDoo> we had it before but it got rejected for previous releases :D
[15:46] <oimon> better than all those poncey names
[15:46] <KrisDouglas> All of the other options that people voted for were rubbish to be fair.
[15:51] <oimon> does chromium have a master password thingy like firefox?
[15:55] <popey> \o/ Jabber
[15:56] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[15:56] <gord> \o/ Jibber \o/
[15:56] <brobostigon> xmmp ?
[15:56] <daubers> \o/ jabber
[15:56] <AlanBell> Quit yo . . .
[15:56] <davmor2> popey: where's czajkowski I'll jab her :D
[15:56] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[15:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: allow me sir, czajkowski jab jab jab jab jab
[15:57] <czajkowski> davmor2: quit your jibber jabber you fool!
[15:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: the irish Mrs T
[15:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: i wouldn't mes..
[15:59] <GrahamIRC> Hi all. Does anyone have any experience of 10Gig nics on Linux?
[16:00] <MooDoo> that's just plain greedy :)
[16:00] <GrahamIRC> haha
[16:00] <daubers> GrahamIRC: In what way?
[16:00] <GrahamIRC> actually I want them so I can do some iPerf testing of 10G links
[16:01] <popey> heh
[16:01] <GrahamIRC> so really just traffic generation
[16:01] <popey> we had them at my last place of work
[16:01]  * daubers has hundreds of them :)
[16:01] <popey> we 'tested' them by rsyncing TB's of data over the wire
[16:01] <daubers> I do something similar
[16:02] <GrahamIRC> what nics did you use and what were your results?
[16:03] <AlanBell> GrahamIRC: no, but I would imagine you want to increase your MTU to get the throughput
[16:03] <daubers> Myricom ones are pretty good, have saturated supermicro ones (1090MB/s or there abouts)
[16:03] <GrahamIRC> I've found some useful info on tuning - RWIN etc - but it's more NIC recommendations I'm looking for
[16:04] <GrahamIRC> from what I've read the Intel ones are not ideal for iPerf type testing
[16:04] <daubers> GrahamIRC: I've always stuck with supermicro (rebranded intel really, but cheaper than intel) or myricoms
[16:04] <[DumB]SGR> mleh, default server connection fail.
[16:04] <GrahamIRC> I seem to be having problems getting to the myricom sute at the mo
[16:05] <daubers> hmmm odd
[16:06] <GrahamIRC> I'm sure it'll reappear at some point!
[16:06] <GrahamIRC> have you used them with RHEL?
[16:06] <daubers> Mostly with Ubuntu, but some of our end users have RHEL stacks with theirs
[16:07] <daubers> I think they had myricoms because they needed SFP+ type connections rather than CX4
[16:07] <GrahamIRC> btw, there's lots of useful info here: http://fasterdata.es.net/
[16:07] <GrahamIRC> yes I do really need SFP+ since these will be test boxes and will be moved around to test differing connections
[16:08] <GrahamIRC> ok, I'll have a dig around the myricoms
[16:08] <daubers> meh, (on the website) I've got a storage box that easily saturates the number of 10GbE cards I can get in the unit
[16:09] <GrahamIRC> what's that?
[16:09] <daubers> 24 SSD's with a funky raid setup. Suprising how many people will buy them for £30-40k
[16:09] <GrahamIRC> :-)
[16:10] <daubers> ran out of client machines when I hit ~6GB/s
[16:10] <GrahamIRC> I've started using SSDs at home and they are definitely QUICK!
[16:10] <MarquessDeBonBon> How quick are they?
[16:10] <MooDoo> mine rocks
[16:11] <GrahamIRC> on asus m/b getting around 300-400MB/sec
[16:12] <GrahamIRC> and pretty much zero seek time which really helps
[16:15] <popey> heh
[16:15] <popey> i have no spinning rust in my machines now
[16:15] <MooDoo> yaya
[16:15] <popey> only servers have them
[16:15] <MooDoo> yay i meant
[16:15] <gord> popey, the water cooling thing work out okay?
[16:16] <popey> no ☹
[16:16] <popey> doesn't fit in my desktop
[16:17] <GrahamIRC> hmm can anyone resolve myricom.com ?
[16:17] <gord> ah that sucks, it didn't fit in my desktop either, but it was crampt in there anyway so i got a new case too
[16:17] <gord> massive corsair thing, really nice, really spacey :)
[16:17] <popey> heh
[16:18] <gord> is it just the fan size?
[16:21] <daubers> gord: You put your computer inside Kevin Spacey?
[16:21] <popey> yeah, its too big for the back of the case
[16:22] <gord> yeah same thing as me, oh well
[16:24] <gord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHi_nsofbhA is very nice if you want a case ;)
[16:32]  * Laney wibbles
[16:32] <Laney> http://open.spotify.com/track/4TPs7jNczGXpjYlc7HHeV7 Christmas song of the day
[17:00] <Azelphur> Hmm, I'm running the Mono version of KeePass and it's really messed up half following my GTK theme
[17:01] <Azelphur> anyone know how I might fix that?
[17:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] SlickPanel 0.02 Released! - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/slickpanel-0-02-released/
[18:21] <awilkins> I need beer. And pizza.
[18:22] <jutnux> I have tea but no food as of yet.
[18:23] <awilkins> Something with pork meatballs and cheese
[18:23] <awilkins> No chance for at least another hour
[18:23] <awilkins> Frowny face.
[18:27] <jutnux> Sucks to be you my friend.
[18:31] <awilkins> Tram-gamble : win, I'll actually get home on time, hooray.
[18:32] <jutnux> You at work awilkins?
[18:32] <awilkins> Commuting home
[18:32] <jutnux> Bus?
[18:32] <jutnux> Or train?
[18:32] <awilkins> Tram, ATM
[18:32] <jutnux> Ah right.
[18:33] <awilkins> Crossing Manchester to next train
[18:34] <jutnux> Ah, take it you have a long commute.
[18:34] <awilkins> 2:20
[18:35] <awilkins> Happily don't do it much anymore.
[18:35] <jutnux> Woahj
[18:35] <jutnux> Woah
[18:35] <jutnux> Lucky you have a laptop though ;)
[18:35] <awilkins> This is my phone.
[18:35] <jutnux> Ah.
[18:36] <awilkins> Not enough space to get the lappy out usually
[18:39]  * popey just commuted home
[18:39] <popey> 10 feet or so
[18:39] <popey> I'm _exhausted_!
[18:40] <mgdm> how are you finding working from home?
[18:40]  * mgdm is almost certain it wouldn't work for him
[18:40] <popey> pretty good
[18:40] <awilkins> 10 feet up a rope would be challenging
[18:40] <popey> i go to the office now and then
[18:41] <awilkins> I'm ok with it too,lall my games are on Windows
[18:41] <awilkins> Well, not *all* my games.
[18:43] <awilkins> Maybe they should just do a panopticon service for home workers - randomly illuminates your webcam light and yu're never sure when they are actually watching :)
[18:45] <awilkins> I work better at home, really. Less distracting than our vast open plan shoutfest of an office.
[18:45] <jutnux> Seeing that I don't have a job can't really comment
[18:45] <jutnux> But I do work quite well at my own desk.
[18:48] <popey> jutnux: looking for work? We're hiring! :D
[18:48] <awilkins> popey: what are the requirements?
[18:48] <popey> depends on the role
[18:48] <popey> http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers
[18:49] <awilkins> (checks mail)
[18:50] <awilkins> Phooey, no response to application for Ubuntu One Windows dev.
[18:50]  * Myrtti sighs
[18:50] <awilkins> The channel with existing devs seems lively
[19:00] <jutnux> popey: A bit too young, probably ;)
[19:04] <jutnux> Enjoying the video though!
[19:05] <awilkins> "At Canonical, we won't imprison you in the basement and feed you on rodent pellets."
[19:06] <jutnux> Good god, installing XP. The shame ;)
[19:07] <mgdm> I did that the other day (in a VM)
[19:08] <awilkins> XP in a VM runs faster than our corporate install of XP on a real machine. Even when the host IS that machine.
[19:09] <jutnux> Hah
[19:09] <jutnux> Presumably they have a load of rubbish on there.
[19:10] <jutnux> I'm doing it in a VM for a friend's mother who's scanner only works in XP.
[19:48] <AlanBell> awilkins: not much basement on a 27th floor office
[20:12] <czajkowski> http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/qa-installing-software-on-linux/
[20:20] <smittix> Evening all
[20:20] <smittix> Any wordpress users here?
[20:21] <Darael> !anyone | smittix
[20:21] <smittix> meh
[20:22] <Darael> Incidentally, I have a blog on wp.com as a gap-fill measure until I can get my ex-laptop server (where my wp.org install is hosted) back up, when I return to the UK.
[20:23] <smittix> Was wondering if anyone here used any auto post to twitter plugins? I have tried two but they won't work even though they supposedly support 0auth.
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> smittix: did you do the oauth dance?
[20:24] <HOHOHaney> did you know that you can't donate blood if you've been to the states in the preceding 28 days
[20:24] <HOHOHaney> i now do
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> (click from your site to twitter and back with twitter asking for a password)
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> HOHOHaney: Just in case you picked up Americanism
[20:25] <smittix> Yeah.
[20:47] <HOHOHaney> MartijnVdS: west nile virus apparently
[20:47] <HOHOHaney> also this stupid nick doesn't have hilights
[21:17]  * Myrtti drools
[21:17] <Myrtti> making pearl barley pudding
[21:39] <andyloughran> heylo
[21:39] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[21:39] <jutnux> HELLO
[21:40] <jacobw> syn
[21:41] <mgdm> ack
[21:42] <andyloughran> rst
[21:42] <jacobw> \o/
[21:42] <andyloughran> It's a mini TCP party
[21:44] <daubers> Hmm... new arduino UI is a bit ....... turquoise
[21:44] <jacobw> what are all doing this evening?
[21:44] <andyloughran> I've killed my server
[21:44] <jacobw> whoops
[21:44] <daubers> andyloughran: Shotgun out the back?
[21:44] <andyloughran> been testing out percona
[21:44] <andyloughran> the toolkit in particular
[21:45] <jacobw> andyloughran: perhaps you need a juju charm to revive it :p
[21:45] <andyloughran> it looked pretty good and want to use it for some proper production stuff
[21:45] <andyloughran> anyone else got experience with it?
[21:45] <andyloughran> mysql master->slave
[21:46] <andyloughran> instead of just having the relay logs playing on the slave, you can get the servers to sync (through some clever script work) every X days.. if they're not already in sync (or to see if someone has accidentally written to the slave)
[21:47] <andyloughran> some of the functionality is purely script-based (percona toolkit) but they've also released a mod of MySQL
[21:47] <andyloughran> I'll take that as a no regards other's experience
[21:47] <andyloughran> or at least those of you awake and reading my </monologue>
[21:53] <andyloughran> not sure if it's quiet tonight or this IRC client is no good.
[21:53] <AlanBell> its oh so quiet

[21:53] <andyloughran> ah ok
[21:54] <jacobw> are there any gnome/gtk applications for reading epubs?
[22:02] <andyloughran> jacobw: not that I can help you with
[22:17] <AlanBell> jacobw: apt-cache search epub
[22:18] <AlanBell> calibre is reputed to be good
[22:19] <jacobw> i'm aware of calibre, i plan to use it manage my ebooks
[22:28] <Azelphur> hmm, disk usage analyser is being funny. It says I have a 188.4GB home folder, but the contents add up to nowhere near that. The ring chart is actually only 50% of a ring
[22:28] <Azelphur> what is this madness
[22:30] <andyloughran> weird
[22:31] <dwatkins> Azelphur: hidden files?
[22:32] <Azelphur> dwatkins: seems like it's managing to read hidden files fine, maybe it's a permissions thing
[22:33] <dwatkins> ah yes, I'd check with 'du' to be sure where the space is used.
[22:33] <AlanBell> gvfs as well can confuse it
[22:33] <jacobw> is it confused by soft/hard links?
[22:33] <Azelphur> looks like it isn't showing files in the directoy
[22:34] <Azelphur> directory*
[22:34] <Azelphur> it's just showing folder sizes
[22:34] <jacobw> afaik its only supposed to show directories
[22:34] <Azelphur> that's kinda silly :P
[22:59] <Azelphur> I love the way that Siri sneakily avoids the question when you ask it where it was made
[22:59] <Azelphur> and replies with "I was designed in California by Apple"
[23:01] <jacobw> can it do a 'portal' voice?
[23:01] <Azelphur> xD
[23:04] <popey> the uk version is female
[23:04] <popey> or is it
[23:04] <popey> no, other way round
[23:05] <popey> I never use it
[23:13] <shauno> it's a male voice in the UK .. but the only way to change voices, is to change localization :/
[23:14] <popey> yeah
[23:16] <shauno> hm, lucid wants to update grub again.  last time I let it touch grub, I was left unbootable :/
[23:16] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSH6JgAQb14
[23:18] <popey> you should hear that in the uk voice
[23:18] <popey> very odd
[23:25] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/daisy.ogg
[23:28] <jacobw> lol
[23:38] <Myrtti> popey: did I just hear you mutter under your breath :-D in the end of the recording
[23:38] <Myrtti> ahhahahahahahahahhaa
[23:38] <Myrtti> :-D
[23:39] <Myrtti> naughty popey. tut-tut
[23:47] <Azelphur> popey / Myrtti / jacobw android version of that http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202011/singmeasong.ogg
[23:47] <Azelphur> it's just like...what
[23:48] <Azelphur> I think it's singing in Chinese or something haha
[23:50] <shauno> that was .. rather unexpected
[23:51] <Azelphur> haha
[23:52] <shauno> and yeah .. daisy sounds really wrong with the 'daniel' voice
[23:57] <Seeker`> uk siri voice is the announcer on weakest link
[23:58] <shauno> I haven't even looked at upgrading yet.  I've got an awful feeling I'd end up having to use the US voiceset
[23:59] <Azelphur> shauno: you know Siri just uploads the ogg to a remote server, and you can do the same thing on pretty much any phone? :D
[23:59] <shauno> yeah


[16:30] <arraybolt3> Someone want to possibly tell e25 and calamari to stop verbally beating up leftyfb?
[16:30] <arraybolt3> (In #ubuntu.)
[16:33] <arraybolt3> Thankfully things seem to have calmed down.
[19:17] <el> why are reasonable questions getting pushed to -discuss?