[07:55] <robotgeek> are we getting rid of irc clients in kubuntu too?
[08:00] <freeflying> robotgeek: getting rid of irc client ?
[08:01] <robotgeek> freeflying: in ubuntu, they are apparently getting rid of x-chat and x-chat gnome from dapper base install
[08:02] <viviersf> why would you remove irc clients ?
[08:03] <robotgeek> viviersf: beats me, but apparently it's not representative of average irc user
[08:03] <robotgeek> so is vim, lol.
[08:04] <robotgeek> lucky for me, it's part of the posix standard
[08:04] <viviersf> erm
[08:04] <robotgeek> vi is :)
[08:04] <viviersf> i would not recommend removing those stuff
[08:04] <viviersf> :(
[08:05] <robotgeek> viviersf: weird, i hope kubuntu is not doing the same.
[08:05] <viviersf> is ubuntu doing this ?
[08:06] <robotgeek> viviersf: yes, there was talk in #ubuntu-devel earlier
[08:07] <seaLne> presumably all that is happening is that those packages will no longer be on the cd, you would still be able to install them your self
[08:07] <robotgeek> seaLne: sure, but our average user would be able to?
[08:08] <seaLne> cds are a fixed size so you can't put everything on them, most users will have an interenet connection and be able to install them easily enough
[08:10] <robotgeek> seaLne: true, but they have ekiga or whatever on there.
[08:10] <Lathiat> and a python dev environment
[08:10] <Lathiat> and lots of things
[08:10] <viviersf> ag no man
[08:10] <amu> moin
[08:11] <seaLne> i use irssi which is a very popular client, but i presume it isn't in the default install and that dosen't bother me
[08:11] <Lathiat> irssi is in the default install actually
[08:11] <Lathiat> i use it too, its great :)
[08:11] <robotgeek> seaLne: no, irssi is by default
[08:11] <seaLne> ok bad example :)
[08:11] <robotgeek> screen + irssi == great!
[08:11] <Lathiat> screen + irssi + gnome-terminal = bad
[08:11] <Lathiat> fortunately screen + irssi + konsole = good
[08:11] <robotgeek> urxvt == good
[08:11] <Lathiat> i need tabs
[08:12] <Lathiat> mrxvt is almost there
[08:12] <Lathiat> but konsole is nice
[08:12] <robotgeek> yeah, running screen in a screen can be painful
[08:12] <Lathiat> large thing that stopped me using mrxvt was the lack of right clicking on URLs
[08:12] <Lathiat> kde woudl solve that with klipper
[08:12] <Lathiat> much like i use it with konsole
[08:12] <seaLne> at some point tho konsole stopped letting me use alt + arrow keys to change windows in irssi which was annoying
[08:12] <Lathiat> works fine for me...
[08:12] <seaLne> 3C
[08:13] <seaLne> ^ alt + right
[08:13] <Lathiat> a hint tho
[08:13] <Lathiat> escale + number
[08:13] <Lathiat> is usefull
[08:13] <Lathiat> *escape
[08:13] <robotgeek> seaLne: i actaully did not know that worked, i use alt + #
[08:13] <Lathiat> escape 5 or escape t, works like alt+[5t]
[08:13] <Lathiat> i use alt+a often
[08:13] <Lathiat> and alt+num for specific windows
[08:13] <seaLne> those numbers are awfully far away on the keyboard :)
[10:40] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[10:40] <Tonio_> freeflying: I re-revued scim-pinyin again.still very little improvements needed, but that's about perfect ;)
[10:41] <freeflying> Tonio_: thx, any comments on that ?
[10:42] <freeflying> Tonio_: W: scim-pinyin: zero-byte-file-in-doc-directory usr/share/doc/scim-pinyin/NEWS.gz
[10:42] <freeflying> this have been removed
[10:44] <freeflying> Tonio_: u mean i remove the cvs dir from source tarball ?
[11:05] <seaLne> is it possible to get gstreamer in amarok to use a web proxy? xine can
[11:05] <viviersf> ok raaait
[11:05] <viviersf> wth is up with the window decorations in kde
[11:06] <viviersf> theres 2 of each
[11:17] <Tonio_> freeflying: yes, remove the cvs entries from the tarball and rebuild it
[11:17] <Tonio_> and put a note in the changelog
[11:17] <Tonio_> concerning the 0 byte file, you can patch it or remove it from the tarball and poke upstream about that, maybe
[11:41] <seaLne> wouldn't removing NEWS from debian/docs sort that?
[11:45] <viviersf> guys
[11:45] <viviersf> why would there be 2 of each window decoration in my config ?
[11:45] <seaLne> which config?
[12:14] <viviersf> seaLne, the window decoration config
[12:58] <raphink> Riddell: did you submit my adept changes to the kde svn already?
[01:00] <Riddell> raphink: which ones?
[01:00] <raphink> the ones I've put as patches in the package
[01:00] <raphink> the desktop changes
[01:01] <Riddell> the translations need to be done by translation the .po file, the k-menu stuff will be reviewed at the user interface sprint next week
[01:01] <raphink> ah ok :)
[01:04] <Riddell> did you also send me the icon for installer?  don't think that's in
[01:05] <raphink> yes I sent it
[01:05] <raphink> it's a Tonio's
[01:05] <Riddell> it's what?
[01:05] <raphink> you've got svg and various png formats in the package
[01:05] <raphink> well Tonio_ made the icon
[01:05] <raphink> :)
[01:10] <Riddell> icon committed
[01:22] <Riddell> _Sime: I can't seem to import .ui files from anything but the current directory in pykde
[02:02] <viviersf> ooo nice Riddell
[02:02] <viviersf> i found a app
[02:02] <viviersf> that puts all the gnome apps into 1 menu in kde
[02:07] <Riddell> viviersf: what app is that?
[02:07] <freeflying> Riddell: may you review scim-pinyin now ?
[02:07] <viviersf> Riddell : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31025
[02:08] <Riddell> freeflying: sorry,still doing espresso, might have time later not sure
[02:08] <freeflying> Riddell: we will have espresso-kde-fronted ?
[02:09] <Riddell> freeflying: with any luck we'll have something by the end of the day
[02:09] <Riddell> although you'll need to be brave to try it
[02:09] <viviersf> lol Riddell
[02:10] <freeflying> Riddell: glad to try on kubuntu-zh-livecd
[02:17] <mornfall> espresso, what does that do? copy the livecd filesystem over?
[02:18] <Riddell> mornfall: yes
[02:18] <Riddell> and lots of talking to debconf
[02:18] <Riddell> and partman
[02:18] <Riddell> and qtparted
[02:20] <freeflying> Riddell: qtparted can not run on today's livecd (which I rematered)
[02:21] <Riddell> freeflying: oh?  what's wrong with it?
[02:21] <Riddell> freeflying: do you have documentation anywhere for how you remastered it?
[02:21] <freeflying> Riddell: haven't yet , hehe
[02:22] <freeflying> Riddell: and I need your espresso-kde-fronted for test
[02:22] <Riddell> freeflying: don't run it on a computer with a hard disk you care about
[02:32] <freeflying> Riddell: any patch to kdm for language select ?
[02:34] <Riddell> freeflying: I don't have one
[03:21] <freeflying> amu: ping
[03:40] <_Sime> Riddell: is this is a problem with guidance .ui files or something else?
[03:41] <Riddell> _Sime: no, espresso
[03:42] <_Sime> Riddell: what does the manual say?
[03:42] <Riddell> it works if I have the .ui file in current directory or /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages so I can go from foo import bar
[03:42] <Riddell> umm, dunno, never read it :)
[03:42] <_Sime> what do you want to do?
[03:43] <Riddell> be able to do  from espresso.foo import bar  and it'll read in espresso/foo.ui
[03:43] <freeflying> Riddell: is kde fronted for espresso in repo now ?
[03:43] <Riddell> freeflying: not yet
[03:44] <freeflying> Riddell: will u give a snapshot for test ?
[03:44] <_Sime> Riddell: and espresso/foo.ui is relative to the current directory
[03:45] <Riddell> _Sime: yes
[03:45] <Riddell> freeflying: I just need to get kamion to check it over then can upload
[03:46] <_Sime> Riddell: bug??
[03:46] <_Sime> I've got my head stuck in system-settings C++ code right now.
[03:46] <Riddell> _Sime: seems like it to me, but you're the one who wrote the kdedesigner.py stuff :)
[03:46] <Riddell> oh?
[03:47] <_Sime> Riddell: I've never tried doing that. ;)
[03:48] <_Sime> Riddell: can you work around that problem for now?
[03:50] <Riddell> _Sime: yes, just using kdepyuic by hand for now
[03:56] <_Sime> ok
[03:57] <_Sime> Riddell: when is the kde-guidance package getting an update?
[04:04] <Riddell> _Sime: when I have 20 minutes to spare, probably sunday evening
[04:04] <_Sime> oh
[04:42] <_Sime> Riddell: fixes for system-settings: KDE SVN or do you want patches?
[04:42] <Riddell> _Sime: svn
[04:42] <Riddell> _Sime: what did you fix?
[04:43] <_Sime> It has been a trial, but I think I've got the "Foobar is already loaded in system settings" problem worked out.
[04:43] <_Sime> need to clean my work up first...
[04:43] <_Sime> but it seems to be ok
[04:44] <_Sime> I also want to do something about the window size.
[04:44] <_Sime> add scrollbars if needed etc
[04:45] <Riddell> _Sime: rocking
[04:45] <Riddell> i18n not working is the other big problem with system settings
[04:46] <Riddell> I think the "you need to run this as admin" message can go in the toolbar to save space
[04:46] <Riddell> and we can get rid of the menu bar too
[04:48] <_Sime> i18n is not being respected?
[04:49] <_Sime> the menu bar can go. true
[04:49] <_Sime> the "admin message" comes from a KDE class and is not per se in systemsettings. => hard to fix.
[04:49] <Riddell> _Sime: the modules get loaded in en_US as I remember, not sure why
[04:50] <Riddell> _Sime: ah,ok
[06:13] <Lure> Riddell: is Kubuntu espresso CD already available (I see it in topic)?
[06:36] <robotgeek> Riddell: is kaffeine-xine installed by default?
[07:39] <raphink> Riddell: are you here?
[07:40] <robotgeek> raphink: do you know if kaffeine-xine is installed by default?
[07:41] <raphink> I don't know
[07:41] <raphink> it seems to be though
[07:41] <robotgeek> raphink: what is the command to view the policy?
[07:42] <raphink> well install a new system and see if it's there
[07:42] <raphink> hehe
[07:42] <raphink> I don't remember  having installed this package and it's here
[07:42] <raphink> so I guess it's installed by default
[07:42] <robotgeek> raphink: awesome. one less thing to document :)
[07:42] <raphink> I installed my box again 2 days ago
[07:43] <raphink> so I think I would remember it if I had installed it manually ;)
[07:43] <robotgeek> raphink: nice
[07:43] <robotgeek> thanks
[07:43] <raphink> robotgeek: kubuntu-desktop depends on kaffeine-xine
[07:44] <raphink> that answers definitely ;)
[07:44] <robotgeek> raphink: yup. it's just that things are changing so much, i don't want to document wrongly
[07:44] <raphink> ;)
[07:51] <Lure> robotgeek: it is - use sudo apt-cache rdepends kaffeine-xine
[07:52] <robotgeek> Lure: thanks :)
[10:54] <Mez> Riddell: what version of KDE did kdelibs4 come in with?
[11:52] <raphink> Mez: do you know why KDE 3.5 is not added to the backports ?
[11:52] <Mez> because backports arent possible atm
[11:53] <raphink> well even before
[11:53] <raphink> I mean KDE 3.5 was out months ago
[11:53] <raphink> and was never added to the backports
[11:53] <raphink> isn't it the place where it should be though?
[11:53] <Mez> raphink, the latest version of kde is backportable
[11:54] <Mez> however - we cannot currently backport anything cause of soyuz
[11:54] <raphink> well that is an excuse for now
[11:54] <raphink> but KDE 3.5 has been out before we began using soyuz
[11:54] <Mez> and then it wasnt backportable!
[11:54] <raphink> why?
[11:55] <raphink> what is backportable and what is not?
[11:55] <Mez> raphink: it needs to build and work in breezy from dapper sources
[11:55] <raphink> Riddell made backports on kubuntu.org
[11:55] <raphink> so it was "backportable"
[11:55] <Mez> they had been CHANGED
[11:55] <Mez> from dapper sources
[11:55] <raphink> who said backports have to build without a change?
[11:55] <Mez> mdz
[11:55] <raphink> for what reason?
[11:56] <Mez> because - we havent been given permission to upload anything
[11:56] <Mez> it all has to be done from dapper sources.
[11:56] <Mez> theres no manual upload for backports atm
[11:56] <Mez> thats the way it was agreed since we became official
[11:56] <raphink> is there planned to be ?
[11:56] <Mez> only recently has that changed
[11:56] <Mez> and it isnt anything official yet
[11:56] <Mez> KDE in dapper at the moment is backportable
[11:57] <Mez> if we could backport it we would
[11:57] <raphink> yes I'm currently building it for breezy
[11:57] <Mez> it'll "backport" fine now
[11:57] <Mez> but it wouldnt before
[11:57] <raphink> is it planned to make it so that backports can be made for any package in the future?
[11:57] <raphink> like real backports
[11:57] <raphink> in a near future I mean
[11:58] <Mez> what do you mean "like real backports"
[11:58] <raphink> well I mean
[11:58] <raphink> breezy users would surely like to have KDE 3.5 backported
[11:58] <Mez> ]
[11:58] <raphink> instead of using kubuntu.org for that
[11:58] <Mez> yes - and we've worked on that and it would be backported if it wasnt for soyuz being a PITA
[11:59] <raphink> so my question is : is it planned to make it so that backports can be done even when it requires to change the sources ?
[11:59] <raphink> i.e. from uploaded backported packages
[11:59] <Mez> raphink: yes in future as long as sponsored by a main dev
[11:59] <raphink> ic
[11:59] <raphink> I guess Riddell could sponsor for KDE packages then
[12:00] <raphink> if we have no other main dev at the time
[12:00] <Mez> I'm sure Riddell will... but thats not at the moment
[12:00] <raphink> mhm
[12:00] <raphink> what had to be changed in previous KDE versions to backport it to breezy?
[12:01] <raphink> that doen't need to be changed in current dapper version
[12:01] <Hobbsee> raphink: the deps?
[12:02] <raphink> Hobbsee: sure I guess, but more precisly ;)
[12:02] <Mez> raphink, well breezy you see has differnt packages
[12:02] <Hobbsee> kdelibs4c2a
[12:02] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kdelibs4c2&searchon=names
[12:02] <Mez> breezy
[12:02] <Mez> dapper: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kdelibs4c2a&searchon=names
[12:02] <Mez> abi changes dude
[12:03] <raphink> yes I know that Mez
[12:03] <Mez> so you;re saying that thtat doesnt need to be changed
[12:03] <raphink> so the problem would be that apps in breezy are built to use kdelibs4c2
[12:03] <Mez> so that if it hadnt and was backported from dapper
[12:03] <raphink> instead of kdelibs4


[02:35] <theorem> hello ! I am very new to packaging, but an old hand at linux.  I have a DEB package ready to go, but am having some trouble getting it into my PPA -- it looks like the guide is pointing me to debian-mentors ?  Is this a next good step ?


[00:58] <ChinnoDog> Where is a firewire cable when I need it?
[00:58] <rmg51> in my backpack
[00:59] <ChinnoDog> That is too far away
[01:00] <rmg51> not for me :-D
[01:07] <ChinnoDog> No firewire cables to be found here :-(
[01:07] <ChinnoDog> I know I own one. Somewhere.
[01:08] <rmg51> I can send Teddy down with one ;-)
[01:21] <arcupe> pa going to obama seemingly
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> yay
[02:21] <arcupe> FL provisional ballots will not be counted tonight.
[02:24] <arcupe> Networks call Pennsylvania for Obama. Romney's last-minute rally in Bucks County was too little too late, it appears.
[10:30] <rmg51> Morning
[12:59] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[13:00] <TheLordOfTime> morning!
[13:00] <TheLordOfTime> how goes it?
[13:00] <teddy-dbear> slowly
[13:01] <teddy-dbear> I'm waiting for the snow
[13:01] <teddy-dbear> I've never built a snowman :-/
[13:05] <TheLordOfTime> d'aw
[13:05] <waltman> That's because you're smart and hibernate through the snowy months.
[13:08] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[13:08]  * TheLordOfTime yawns LOUDLY
[13:15] <teddy-dbear> it's mostly because I don't like to get wet
[13:15]  * TheLordOfTime ties teddy-dbear to a post outside in the rain
[13:16]  * teddy-dbear takes TheLordOfTime off his list of people he gives chocolate to :P
[13:37] <jedijf> did i fail by not getting snowblower out and ready or is this a nothing event?
[13:42] <TheLordOfTime> teddy-dbear, i don't like chocolate :P:
[13:42] <TheLordOfTime> jedijf, i think you're fine for now, but if you want to be careful, get a snowblower :P
[13:50] <jedijf> i have one, just don't have it ready
[13:50] <jedijf> it's buried behind lawn stuff :(
[13:56] <JonathanD> Just use the lawnmower
[13:56] <JonathanD> basically the same thing.
[13:57] <waltman> Just hide under your covers until it all melts
[17:49] <ChinnoDog> no snow here
[18:32] <waltman> lots of ice coming down at lunch time
[18:40] <pleia2> snow snow
[18:40] <pleia2> in wyncote
[18:41] <waltman> pleia2: JonathanD said he dialed it up just for you. It's really 60F and sunny today in Philly. :)
[18:41] <pleia2> \o/
[18:42] <pleia2> I thought it was colder than normal for november in philly
[18:43] <waltman> He was worried you missed winter.
[18:44] <JonathanD> Indeed.
[18:44] <JonathanD> Can't keep it for long, though.
[18:44] <JonathanD> Running up the water bill
[18:44] <jedijf> wyncote - jersey yesterday - travelling heh?
[18:44] <JonathanD> (water, yo usee, is too processor intensive for me to simulate)
[18:46] <pleia2> jedijf: a bit
[18:47] <waltman> pleia2: You sticking around this weekend for philcon? :)
[18:48] <pleia2> waltman: doh, philcon this weekend? I'm dragging Nita out dress shopping on saturday
[18:49] <waltman> yup :(
[18:52] <TheLordOfTime> hiya
[18:58] <pleia2> called the pet sitter today because SF just finished a little heat wave
[18:58]  * pleia2 off to find a hoagie or similar
[19:08] <waltman> What's similar to a hoagie?
[19:41] <ChinnoDog> Another type of sandwich that starts with an "s"?
[19:54] <waltman> A steak? Yeah, that's a possibility.
[19:55] <waltman> or maybe a salami and swiss on sourdough? :)
[20:37] <teddy-dbear> try maybe a sub
[20:38] <rmg51> or even a hero
[20:42] <ChinnoDog> I forgot about the hero.
[23:07] <pleia2> similar == some philly food I can't get in SF
[23:08] <pleia2> ended up with a chicken cheese steak (can get regular ones in SF, but they do the chicken ones wrong)
[23:17] <jedijf> saw an open ritas in the moorestown mall foodcourt
[23:17] <pleia2> !
[23:18] <jedijf> just in cazse you get back to nj
[23:19] <jedijf> really during daylight at cedarbrook you should do paganos for hoagie or steak with MJ
[23:19] <pleia2> we'll be back in cherry hill tomorrow for a bit
[23:19] <pleia2> hehe "during daylight"
[23:19] <jedijf> 78th and ogontz - shady area but no risk/no reward
[23:19] <pleia2> cool


[00:14] <Unit193> knome: Sorry to be a bother (who'd guess?), but what was the standpoint of having a xubuntu without additional packages?
[04:55] <pleia2> knome: oh hey, you owe me a "powered by Xubuntu" sticker
[04:55] <pleia2> (design)
[10:05] <knome> Unit193, can you elaborate; what do you mean?
[10:05] <Unit193> knome: Package that just had default settings, artwork, etc rather than abiword and the rest of the default programs.
[10:06] <knome> so why didn't we drop the default stuff you mean?
[10:06] <Unit193> No, a different metapackage.
[10:07] <knome> shimmer-themes?
[10:08] <Sysi> at some point somebody suggested that there would be minimal-xubuntu metapackage created
[10:08] <knome> right
[10:08] <knome> yeah, we can still do that
[10:08] <knome> but was that the question? :)
[10:09] <Unit193> Wasn't that becauase of alternate, and it'd lessen the pull on lower connections?  Yes.
[10:09] <knome> ah yeah, now i remember the whole discussion
[10:09] <Unit193> ...I don't yet. :P
[10:09] <knome> the idea was to provice a minimal package for those, who use the minimal installer, and don't want to install xubuntu-dekstop
[10:10] <knome> that does effectively mean you have less to pull
[10:10] <knome> but there was no discussion about including it anywhere by default; because we still think that a few applications do add to the "xubuntu experience" so much that we don't want to drop them from the default ISO/installation
[10:11] <Sysi> we could just add guide for installing xfce4+xubuntu-default-settings
[10:11] <knome> yes, i think that would produce pretty much the same results, though we should definitely check that it does
[10:12] <Sysi> some panel plugins might be missing
[10:15] <ochosi> it's not entirely useless to have a few apps by default in the live install
[10:15] <ochosi> i know people who use livesticks to work sometimes
[10:15] <knome> ochosi, can you suggest something for the abiword slide?
[10:15] <ochosi> knome: a new equivalent screenshot?
[10:16] <knome> ochosi, that, and the text needs to be changed
[10:16] <ochosi> yup
[10:20] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/branding_exports/slideshow_office.png ?
[10:22] <ochosi> yeah, sounds good to me
[10:22] <knome> do you want the shot to be updated?
[10:22] <knome> i'm going to file an UIFe today
[10:22] <ochosi> well it would be nice
[10:22] <ochosi> since it's the only inconsistent one atm
[10:24] <ochosi> knome: i'll do the screener for you if you want
[10:24] <knome> yeah, that would be nice
[10:24] <knome> 450x330
[10:26] <ochosi> knome: http://imagebin.org/228117
[10:28] <knome> mmh, good, thanks
[10:29] <knome> hmm wait
[10:29] <knome> old shade button?
[10:29] <ochosi> meh
[10:30] <knome> haha
[10:30] <ochosi> no, it's the menu button
[10:30] <knome> i can fix that
[10:30] <ochosi> in our default layout there is no shade button in that place
[10:30] <knome> aha
[10:30] <knome> d'oh
[10:30] <ochosi> ;)
[10:30] <ochosi> so it's in fact _your_ bad, not mine (this time)
[10:30] <knome> i'll leave it
[10:30] <knome> :P
[10:30] <ochosi> anyway, i don't think anyone will notice or complain
[10:31] <knome> meh
[10:31] <knome> i'll fix it
[11:10] <ochosi> knome: btw, i have the workaround for the xfwm4 theme ready in my vbox
[11:10] <knome> aha :)
[11:10] <knome> that's 2px?
[11:10] <ochosi> so in case we decide to go forward with it, i can push it pretty much anytime
[11:11] <ochosi> like this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09122012-011059pm.php
[11:11] <knome> ack
[11:11] <ochosi> i think it looks bearable
[11:11] <ochosi> not as nice as should be
[11:11] <knome> definitely
[11:11] <ochosi> but what can you do
[11:11] <knome> terminal is the only killjoy
[11:12] <knome> well, you can fi Xorg... ;)
[11:12] <knome> fix too
[11:12] <ochosi> yeah, terminal doesn't look extremely nice with it
[11:12] <ochosi> i could add the 1px inner border at the bottom too
[11:12] <knome> dunno
[11:12] <ochosi> but for most other windows apart from term i think it's better this way
[11:12] <knome> yeah
[11:12] <knome> your call, i'm fine with either
[11:13] <ochosi> well, with 16:9 resolutions being so popular, let's not waste vertical pixels ;)
[11:13] <knome> k
[11:55] <mr_pouit> knome: hey, any news about indicator-sound (it hasn't been reviewed yet)
[11:55] <mr_pouit> +?
[12:11] <knome> mr_pouit, bug # ?
[12:18] <mr_pouit> knome: Bug #1048217 (ido-gtk2 has been accepted, indicator-sound-gtk2 is still stuck in NEW)
[12:21] <ochosi> hey mr_pouit
[12:22] <mr_pouit> hey
[12:23] <ochosi> we still have to fix ubiquity and lightdm wrt wallpaper
[12:23] <ochosi> and i was wondering whether we should just have a symlink pointing to the current wallpaper always
[12:23] <ochosi> so that we don't have to submit patches to ubiquity for each release
[12:24] <mr_pouit> yeah, or we can replace the wp each time
[12:24] <mr_pouit> but a symlink works for ùe
[12:24] <mr_pouit> *me
[12:24] <ochosi> (although, to be fair, with this one it's a bit problematic because we will have to use 2 different wallpapers for xfdesktop and lightdm/plymouth)
[12:25] <ochosi> so: the "normal" wp with the 4 dots in the right bottom corner is for xfdesktop and ubiquity
[12:25] <knome> mr_pouit, fw'd
[12:25] <ochosi> a dotless wp will have to be used for plymouth and lightdm, because they don't scale the wp correctly yet
[12:26] <knome> mr_pouit, will be processed today
[12:26] <mr_pouit> okay, great, thanks
[12:26] <knome> np
[12:27] <knome> mr_pouit, see http://typewith.me/p/x-q-beta2-prep
[12:27] <ochosi> knome: can you pls put the dotless wp somewhere with a bugreport?
[12:27] <ochosi> so that mr_pouit can pull it
[12:27] <knome> meh
[12:28] <knome> i'll attach it to the old bugreport
[12:28] <knome> i'll export it now
[12:28] <ochosi> in return, i'll do the merge-request for ubiquity
[12:28] <mr_pouit> "Loading..."
[12:28] <mr_pouit> am i supposed to see something :P
[12:28] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so how shall we handle the wp issue with the symlinks and all?
[12:28] <knome> mr_pouit, lol, it's just etherpad failing again
[12:29] <mr_pouit> I'll add a symlink, xubuntu-wallpaper.png, or whatever name you prefer (omg-ponies.png, knome-is-not-gnome.png)
[12:29] <knome> haha
[12:29] <ochosi> omg-ponies plz
[12:30] <knome> i prefer the latter
[12:30] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, then i'll point ubiquity to xubuntu-wallpaper as soon as that's fixed/uploaded
[12:30] <Unit193> Don't get that confused with the xfcenotifyd theme.
[12:30] <ochosi> ok, then omg-bronies instead
[12:31] <knome> that's another +0.5MB :P
[12:31] <ochosi> drop old wps :)
[12:31] <ochosi> then you'll actually save space
[12:31] <knome> worksfor me
[12:31] <knome> +" " or -" "
[12:32] <knome> do we have a package that reintroduces them on install?
[12:32] <knome> shimmer-wallpapers exists?
[12:33] <ochosi> alternatively xubuntu-wallpapers-old
[12:33] <knome> whatever
[12:34] <mr_pouit> I'm not introducing yet another package at this point, enough of that :3
[12:35] <knome> yeah, not this cycle
[12:35] <knome> i was just wondering if such exists
[12:35] <knome> but i'm still ok with dropping the old wallpapers, because we need the space really much
[12:35] <knome> mr_pouit, bug 1043170 has new attachment
[12:36] <knome> we will probably need an UIFe for the Plymouth change, since that still has the old wall?
[12:36] <ochosi> so yeah, we need this ^ for lightdm as well now
[12:36] <ochosi> oh, i mean
[12:36] <mr_pouit> then I'll replace the old filename with a symlink to the new wp
[12:36] <knome> lightdm is bugfix obviously
[12:36] <mr_pouit> No need to fix ubiquity then
[12:36] <knome> but plymouth not, since that actually has the P wall...
[12:37] <ochosi> yeah, i'm taking care of ubiquity
[12:37] <ochosi> that
[12:37] <ochosi> 's fine
[12:37] <ochosi> just plymouth and lightdm for you, mr_pouit
[12:37] <mr_pouit> ochosi: no need to fix ubiquity if I add the symlink
[12:38] <knome> i've asked for an ACK for UIFe for that
[12:38] <ochosi> mr_pouit: yeah, but if you create a symlink now that points to xubuntu-greybird or whatever the old name was, then we'll have to fix it again next cycle
[12:39] <mr_pouit> next cycle we'll change where the symlink points to
[12:39] <ochosi> "xubuntu-precise-right.png" is not a very cool general name in ubiquity
[12:39] <mr_pouit> and ubiquity will still be happy
[12:39] <knome> hehe
[12:39] <knome> agreed with ochosi...
[12:39] <knome> but doesn't ubiquity have the new wallpaper already?
[12:39] <knome> or not?
[12:40] <knome> and does plymouth have it then?
[12:40] <knome> am i mistaken
[12:40] <mr_pouit> I don't care whether it sounds cool or not (:
[12:40] <mr_pouit> knome: only-ubiquity doesn't
[12:40] <knome> aha, but plymouth does?
[12:41] <mr_pouit> (live session and plymouth and lightdm are ok -- except they use the wp with dots)
[12:42] <knome> ok
[12:43] <knome> i'm still waiting for a release team member to ack the UIFe
[12:43] <knome> and yeah, i'd like the wallpaper names to be more generic too
[12:46] <mr_pouit> knome: that'd be great if you could ask the release team to clarify the remote login feature of lightdm (acked by FFe). It seems to be on by default, it seems to require some code in the greeter, so I'd say it has been introduced without any thought for greeters other than unity-greeter :)
[12:47] <knome> ack'ed the UIFe, so feel free to go ahead with the wallpapers
[12:47] <knome> mr_pouit, what's your worry?
[12:47] <mr_pouit> I may be mistaken, but all this stuff is starting to annoy me
[12:47] <knome> maybe you could ask yourself? (:
[12:48] <mr_pouit> yeah, right :P
[12:48] <knome> :P
[12:48] <knome> what's your worry then?
[12:50] <mr_pouit> mmh, no, it'll be fine I guess
[12:51] <mr_pouit> lightdm will have remote login enabled, but users won't be able to use it with lightdm-gtk-greeter
[12:51] <mr_pouit> that's all
[12:51] <mr_pouit> so nothing to annoy the release team with
[12:52] <knome> heh, ok
[12:53] <knome> i don't even want to count the amount of UIFe's this time
[12:53] <knome> ochosi, now that mr_pouit is around, should we tell him to push the fix to grey/blackbird? (:
[12:53] <knome> ochosi, or do you want to wait if xorg is magically fixed?
[12:58] <knome> mr_pouit, can we ulink the non-xubuntu-specific bugs from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-xfce-410
[12:58] <knome> hey bluesabre
[12:59] <bluesabre> hey knome
[12:59] <bluesabre> that was fast
[12:59] <knome> hehe
[12:59] <knome> sometimes i am, sometimes i'm not...
[12:59] <bluesabre> What's up?
[12:59] <knome> filing UIFe's :D
[13:00] <knome> and looking at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ and seeing xubuntu has the best percentage, and definitely not the least work items either
[13:01] <ochosi> knome: so you wanna go ahead with the workaround for xfwm4 themes anyway?
[13:01] <smartboyhw> OMG Xubuntu has 85% while others are below 55% Good job really I took off my hat to knome and others:)
[13:02] <knome> ochosi, well no, but looking at next week, i don't think there's big possibilities i'm going to have time to investigate it
[13:02] <knome> ochosi, and it's really late in the cycle anyway, we can just revert for R if the xorg bug is fixed
[13:03] <ochosi> ok, so i guess i'll have to attach patches to the bugreports
[13:03] <ochosi> shall we fix the default xfwm4 theme from upstream as well?
[13:03] <bluesabre> wowza
[13:03] <knome> yeah, but i don't think you need an UIFe
[13:03] <bluesabre> 50.42 workitems must be completed per day
[13:03] <knome> it's a bugfix...
[13:03] <bluesabre> That's crazy
[13:03] <knome> ochosi, upstream being?
[13:03] <ochosi> the xfce xfwm4 default theme
[13:03] <knome> right
[13:03] <knome> hmph
[13:03] <mr_pouit> knome: done, and set as completed
[13:03] <knome> if you wish to
[13:04] <knome> mr_pouit, thanks :)
[13:04] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so, about those xfwm4 problems...
[13:04] <knome> bluesabre, not for xubuntu ;)
[13:04] <bluesabre> Yeah, I know
[13:04] <ochosi> mr_pouit: shall i just link to the respective commits in git or what would you prefer?
[13:04] <bluesabre> Still, its a pretty impressive number
[13:04] <knome> ok, so only 4 blueprints not finished
[13:04] <ochosi> yeah, and how many postponed? ;)
[13:04] <knome> hah
[13:04] <knome> a few only
[13:05] <ochosi> well, "a few" :)
[13:05] <knome> 22 work items
[13:05] <knome> not too bad
[13:05] <knome> that's 87 done if we finish the rest
[13:06] <knome> we only *filed* 75 last cycle
[13:06] <knome> and postponed 12, so 63
[13:06] <knome> 24 work items done more
[13:06] <knome> though you can't really compare, 1 != 1
[13:06] <knome> but we have those monster items this cycle, like "rewrite offline docs"
[13:07] <knome> and i think we were able to improve this time too
[13:08] <ochosi> mhm
[19:01] <ochosi> the big silence because everyone is secretly watching apple's event...
[19:02] <elfy> apple ducking?
[19:10] <Sysi> I won't have money to get iphone for at least a year
[19:13] <bluesabre> nah, I'm watching One Piece
[19:13] <bluesabre> ... secretly
[19:14] <pleia2> the apple event is a block away from me, shall I go downstairs and report live?
[19:14] <Sysi> I think it ended already
[19:14] <pleia2> oh ok
[19:14] <elfy> only if there's reall aple dunking involved pleia2
[19:14] <pleia2> it messes up local traffic in my neighborhood, very annoying
[19:14] <Sysi> (I followed trough IRC)
[19:15] <pleia2> I am actually working today so I haven't paid attention
[19:17] <ochosi> i think they have new everything, they re-invented everything and no-one "in the industry" has ever made anything alike before
[19:17] <ochosi> (except samsung, but apple only agree to that in court)
[19:17] <pleia2> turns out I'm happy with the cheap knockoffs 5 years later
[19:18] <Sysi> zombie pride (N9)
[19:18] <pleia2> (plus I like open source, so...)
[19:19] <ochosi> pleia2: really, you like opensource? isn't that kinda weird..? =)
[19:19] <pleia2> buncha hippies
[19:20] <ochosi> hehe, exactly
[19:20] <Sysi> android UI isn't bad even if none of them is really good either.. but I don't want to hear "try flashing this custom rom" ever
[19:21] <Sysi> unless it's under five click operation
[19:22] <Sysi> I've used desktop linux long enough to know how trying to tweak things usually ends :P
[19:23] <ochosi> in a perfect user-experience? (:
[19:33] <Sysi> yeaah, that


[11:48] <_ruben> as for preseeding disk layout, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt seems to be one of the very few reference docs .. any other tips/hints?
[11:49] <cjwatson> you should always use the Ubuntu documentation, not the Debian documentation
[11:49] <cjwatson> at times they differ
[11:50] <_ruben> google wouldnt lead me to an ubuntu version :p
[11:51] <cjwatson> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/debian-installer/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt
[11:51] <cjwatson> I think that's the only recipe documentation there is, really
[11:54] <_ruben> ok, thanks, then i'll give it a try using that doc
[12:07] <_ruben> is there a way to "test run" such a recipe? initiating a complete os reinstall to test a recipe sounds a bit overkill to me
[12:14] <cjwatson> not really, sorry
[12:18] <_ruben> too bad
[12:38] <Haegin> hi, where can I find the relevant netboot files for ubuntu eee or easy peasy?
[12:43] <cjwatson> we don't yet support the Eee as part of the core Ubuntu project, so I'm afraid this channel is unable to help
[12:44] <cjwatson> though my wife has been on my case to get Ubuntu working on her Eee, so it may happen at some point :)
[12:44] <_ruben> hehe
[12:44] <cjwatson> I assume that you have read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/Installation ?
[12:44] <cjwatson> of course, it may be that the standard netboot files work on Eee; I simply don't know
[12:44] <cjwatson> those are here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[12:50] <Haegin> cjwatson: thanks, I'll take a look. It seems ridiculous that the ubuntu eee project doesn't support netbooting when the device has no optical drive but oh well, some people are fools...
[12:50] <cjwatson> well, depending on the extent of their modifications, it may be that they can just rely on the standard files
[12:51] <cjwatson> as I say - I just don't know
[12:51] <cjwatson> I thought they generally advised USB booting
[12:53] <Haegin> Yeah, I don't have a spare USB device available that works with it and I have a netboot server set up on a nice fast connection.
[13:48] <DogWater> jeez my mirror has been building for 12hr on a gig-e connection
[13:50] <DogWater> cjwatson: d'oh it says that -i error at the beginning of the install but i dont see it until the end when it drops back to the shell
[13:50] <DogWater> i just noticed it
[13:56] <DogWater> cjwatson: it says it immediately after 'configuring the network with dhcp'
[13:56] <DogWater> that must be when it downloads and parses the kickstart file, np?
[13:57] <DogWater> err no??
[14:01] <cjwatson> that's a lot more plausible than it happening at preseed/late_command time, yes
[14:01] <cjwatson> can I get the syslog?
[14:04] <davmor2> cjwatson: Haegin: easypeasy might be a better option for you it used to be the eeebuntu project if memory serves
[14:06] <davmor2> http://www.geteasypeasy.com/
[14:15] <_ruben> woah .. my first attempt at preseeding disk layout actually worked .. not too keen on the chosen names for the vgs/lvs, but i guess i could live with that :)
[14:27] <DogWater> sure, i'll give you the syslog what do you want me to do with it?
[14:28] <cjwatson> put it wherever's convenient, as long as it isn't pasted into IRC
[14:28] <cjwatson> attach to a bug report, paste.ubuntu.com, whatever
[14:30] <DogWater> cjwatson: you mentioned that you ran a ubuntu mirror locally, do you know if you can use any mirror for that or do you have to use the ubuntu archive?
[14:31] <cjwatson> archive.ubuntu.com is a mirror itself, technically :-)
[14:31] <cjwatson> any mirror will do
[14:31] <DogWater> yeah cause i notice that one is particularly slow
[14:31] <cjwatson> obviously it's rather loaded
[14:31] <DogWater> yes, loaded is what i meant to say
[14:34] <DogWater> yikes it started over at the beginning ;-)
[14:34] <DogWater> i figured it would resume
[14:35] <cjwatson> it downloads the indices from scratch each time, but will reuse any .deb files that are there
[14:56] <DogWater> cjwatson: can I send this to you somewhere private? i tried to sanitize it best i could but its a long file
[14:56] <cjwatson> I'd really prefer that you didn't sanitise it, unless there are any passwords in it
[14:56] <DogWater> theres IPs etc in it
[14:57] <cjwatson> mail it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then
[14:57] <cjwatson> but please don't try to filter it down to what you think I'll be interested in
[14:57] <cjwatson> removing genuinely private data is fine
[14:57] <DogWater> i didnt cut any lines out
[14:57] <DogWater> or anything
[14:58] <cjwatson> some people grep for interesting stuff and only send me the results, which is very frustrating :)
[14:59] <DogWater> should be in your inbox
[15:01] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:52] <davmor2> evand: should m-a pop up now in jaunty on a whole drive install?
[16:10] <DogWater> hrm
[16:12] <DogWater> well aside from not being able to use sed in the installer im pretty pleased with the new version (fixed) cjwatson, did you ever get a chance to release a new initrd for amd64?
[16:25] <cjwatson> no, planning to do that by way of intrepid-proposed
[16:25] <cjwatson> Jan 23 09:34:38 in-target: Unexpected error; command not executed: 'apt-get update'
[16:25] <cjwatson> I guess this must be the problem - let me see
[16:30] <cjwatson> ah yes, I can reproduce it
[17:30] <DogWater> cjwatson so any clue on that one?
[17:54] <cjwatson> DogWater: I was on the phone, give me a minute ...
[17:56] <cjwatson> I'm hitting it with various debugging approaches now
[17:57] <DogWater> oh, i dont mean to rush you or anything i was just curious you killed that one yesterday so fast
[17:59] <cjwatson> yeah, that one I had fixed already though and just had to remember about it :)
[17:59] <DogWater> oh. lol nice
[17:59] <cjwatson> this one almost looks like a new busybox bug
[18:00] <DogWater> i do that sometimes when i write php i create a function like 10 times and do it 10 different ways then eventually i realize i already wrote that function
[18:00] <DogWater> i think i got banned from the ubuntu archive i was trying to mirror =/
[18:01] <cjwatson> I think I can give you a workaround
[18:03] <cjwatson> preseed preseed/late_command string sed 's/http:\/\/<IP_ADDRESS>\/Ubuntu8.10\//http:\/\/ubuntu.osuosl.org\/ubuntu/g' /target/etc/apt/sources.list > /target/etc/apt/sources.list.new && mv /target/etc/apt/sources.list.new /target/etc/apt/sources.list && in-target apt-get update
[18:05] <cjwatson> alternatively, you can put the whole sed / apt-get update thing in a script that you download from a server and then run
[18:05] <cjwatson> the problem isn't with running sed, it's with parsing of the -i
[18:06] <cjwatson> it's being parsed entirely incorrectly as a getopt option, which it isn't
[18:10] <cjwatson> there is something very weird going on, though, as I can reproduce this with getopt(1) on a normal system too
[18:10] <cjwatson> $ getopt -o '' -l foo: -- -i
[18:10] <cjwatson> getopt: invalid option -- 'i'
[18:10] <cjwatson>  --
[18:10] <cjwatson> (the -- in the first line is supposed to terminate options regardless of everything else)
[18:11] <cjwatson> oh, maybe I'm confused
[18:12] <cjwatson> DogWater: anyway, that should be a functional workaround and I have to go out now, but I'll continue working this out and get it fixed for jaunty
[18:13] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r584 trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
[18:13] <CIA-3> oem-config: If the user backs up all the way out of oem-config (perhaps
[18:13] <CIA-3> oem-config: deliberately, or perhaps by accident), ask whether they want to try
[18:13] <CIA-3> oem-config: again, drop to a recovery shell, or reboot.
[18:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r991 intrepid-proposed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-11 kernels.
[18:28] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r992 intrepid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu26


[01:47] <bluesabre> knome: you good with intltool? Bare minimum we need to get it set up with the slides here: https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/85
[01:47] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Pull 85 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Flutter Installer Slideshow" [Open]
[01:48] <bluesabre> You are also more than welcome to poke at the slides. :) The Flutter installer supports a very small subset of HTML/CSS, so I wasn't able to do a complete 1:1 port.
[01:49] <bluesabre> Unit193, krytarik: You two are also usual candidates for intltool stuff :)
[06:53] <knome> i'll see if i have some time between now-wed


[10:24] <mathieu__> hey is there a "download ubuntu" button anywhere to put on a website or blog ?
[10:24] <soundray> PhantomePhreak: dapper or edgy?
[10:24] <PhantomePhreak> edgy
[10:24] <ernz> alex-weej: Any ideas?
[10:24] <PhantomePhreak> i have only xdm, x-window-system, and xfree86 installed...
[10:24] <Hazarath> Can't seem to install 'ndiswrapper'
[10:25] <PhantomePhreak> ^^
[10:25] <PhantomePhreak> no kde or gnome^^
[10:25] <blekos> nero linux aint freeware
[10:25] <DARKGuy> Holy cow
[10:25] <DARKGuy> Nero for Linux!
[10:25] <DARKGuy> :D
[10:25] <blekos> gnomebaker doesnt look that bad
[10:25] <blekos> y get nero when u got k3b?
[10:25] <soundray> PhantomePhreak: on dapper, you would have used inittab. Edgy uses upstart in place of sysvinit, so everything has changed... you'll have to look for docs on upstart
[10:25] <soundray> !upstart
[10:25] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[10:25] <alex-weej> blekos: Nero Windows isn't freeware either... :P
[10:25] <PhantomePhreak> hm k ;)
[10:25] <Hazarath> Any dice here, guys?
[10:26] <blekos> u got a point :) but now i'm in Linux!!1
[10:26] <DARKGuy> Nero has experience burning CDs though. I've lost more than a dozen CDs burning stuff with linux burning programs :(
[10:26] <DARKGuy> And I dunno why >.<
[10:26] <soundray> !ndiswrapper-utils | Hazarath
[10:26] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-5 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:26] <Hazarath> Got the package, soundray.
[10:26] <soundray> !wireless | Hazarath
[10:26] <ubotu> Hazarath: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:26] <ernz> alex-weej: Any luck yet?
[10:26] <blekos> hmm, dont know Darkguy
[10:26] <Hazarath> soundray, Got all that, I can't complie the package.
[10:27] <alex-weej> ernz: ask the room, there are some GPG commands you need but i forgot how to use them
[10:27] <soundray> Hazarath: if you had "got" it, you wouldn't be trying to compile anything.
[10:27] <Trini_Man> whats the best way to do Remte dexktop on ubuntu ?
[10:27] <soundray> Trini_Man: vnc, configure via vino-preferences
[10:27] <Hazarath> soundray, Ok, I have the source, and now attempting to install... 'make' cannot be found.
[10:27] <jamieoliver22> im looking for the person who helped me a few minutes ago... ?
[10:28] <Trini_Man> humm
[10:28] <blekos> sometimes times Linux confuses me with all that options, and thats what I like
[10:28] <soundray> Hazarath: you're on the wrong track. But if you insist that you must compile something, install build-essential
[10:28] <Trini_Man> oundray : what ?
[10:28] <DARKGuy> This is weird though, the Nero that came with my burner has no serial number o_o; how am I suppossed to use it for my Linux one :(
[10:28] <mc44> jamieoliver22: just ask your question, someone else might be able to help
[10:28] <Valmarko> I'm using ubuntu6.10. how can I install aiglx for my card: ati radeon 9550?
[10:28] <blekos> i'm using Gnome basically but I like KDE as well since it has lots of stuff usefull to an user
[10:28] <jon_doe> thanks.
[10:28] <Hazarath> soundray, I just found a giude to install my Belkin 54G card, and that's what came up via Google.
[10:29] <jamieoliver22> it was an error i was getting about the grub 17 error
[10:29] <ernz> OK, Does ANYONE know how I would go about installing key and resolving this error I get when trying to update repos: W: GPG error: http://seerofsouls.com edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 024EF0BCA98AA089
[10:29] <ernz> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:29] <Hazarath> soundray, What should I do to get my card installed, then?
[10:29] <mc44> ernz: sudo apt-key add -
[10:29] <Jeeva> How can i see how long my pppoe connection has been active ?
[10:30] <soundray> Hazarath: read the wireless docs ubotu pointed you to.
[10:30] <ernz> mc44 - sudo apt-key add 024EF0BCA98AA089?
[10:30] <Trini_Man> what port does the remote desktop use ?
[10:30] <pibarnas> how can I activate on beryl-settings that effect the windows goes up or down to show desktop?!?
[10:30] <Trini_Man> default
[10:30] <soundray> Trini_Man: 5800 and 5900
[10:30] <cmt^^> how come mplayer's gui doesn't work for me, but running mplayer from a terminal works just fine?
[10:30] <Trini_Man> and how can i change the default port for remote desktop
[10:31] <A3nk> i got the weirdest errors while trying to start an application : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35648/
[10:31] <A3nk> can anyone tell me what to do  to fix them?
[10:31] <georgy> cmt: do you have the skins loaded ?
[10:31] <mc44> ernz: if that is the right key, yes
[10:31] <jamieoliver22> i need help regarding the grub 17 error
[10:31] <ernz> mc44 -  sudo apt-key add 024EF0BCA98AA089
[10:31] <ernz> gpg: can't open `024EF0BCA98AA089': No such file or directory
[10:32] <soundray> A3nk: use a user terminal and run 'sudo network-admin'
[10:32] <A3nk> A3n
[10:32] <soundray> A3nk: sorry, correction: use a user terminal and run 'gksudo network-admin'
[10:32] <soundray> A3n-: that's just rude
[10:33] <A3n-> huh, A3n is me but he somehow is still idleing
[10:33] <mc44> ernz: you need the whole GPOG key
[10:33] <dxdemetriou> I have problem with mplayer. The fullscreen doesn't work with resolution 1280x1024 with xv. Anybody have the same problem?
[10:33] <mc44> *GPG
[10:33] <ernz> mc44: Where do I get that?
[10:34] <mc44> ernz: from the reposiory. You know you can just ignore GPG errors and istall he softwre anyway
[10:34] <A3n-> soundray: whenever i try sudo or gksu i get errors like "gethostbyname() not found" or something
[10:34] <A3n-> jred:u still there?
[10:34] <soundray> A3n-: then your /etc/hosts is most likely faulty
[10:34] <A3n-> yea
[10:35] <scylax> how can i configure my network card so it will not have an IP address?
[10:35] <ernz> mc44: I'm not ignoring the key, hence being in the room asking for help. The problem is, I have no idea what a key is, where to find it or what it does in relation to installing the software I would really just like to install with a double click.
[10:35] <georgy> scylax : why ?
[10:35] <scylax> for snort, georgy
[10:36] <mc44> ernz: yes, my point is you dont need to install the key
[10:36] <soundray> HymnToLife: bonjour, good to see you after a long time
[10:36] <thomas> why does the nvidia driver want to install a new kernel image on edgy?
[10:36] <jamesbrose>  Are there any inspiring document about ubuntu? I am taking it to a conference in my rural town and i want something to show people how great it is
[10:36] <jamesbrose> and how its technology should be more widespread
[10:36] <soundray> thomas: what?
[10:36] <HymnToLife> soundray, same here :)
[10:36] <ernz> mc44: Sorry, I am being stupid again. I read "Can't" :) My bad.
[10:36] <georgy> scylax : sudo ifdown ethX
[10:36] <Huffalump> ok, still works after rebooting =oD  thanks again
[10:37] <pibarnas> mouse gestures on beryl just stop working without any configuration?
[10:37] <thomas> soundray: hmm when i do apt-get install nvidia-glx it installs a 386 kernel image, on top of my generic kernel. do you get me?
[10:37] <soundray> jamesbrose: www.ubuntu.com is a good place to start
[10:37] <ernz> mc44: Am trying to install beryl AGAIN, it's doing my nut in and I am starting to get grumpy.
[10:37] <Valmarko> I have ati radeon 9550. What yould you do to be sure you're using the right driver, the one that boosts the graphics to 100%
[10:38] <ccvp> APPEARS AS ARMANDO
[10:38] <soundray> thomas: got you now...
[10:38] <ccvp> CHR<#39d8fd98>
[10:38] <thomas> soundray: so why does it do that?
[10:38] <ccvp> HIZ ALL ANy use linuckZ?
[10:38] <A3n-> soundray:  my hosts file = http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35650/
[10:38] <nicola> did any of you ever emulate the gba (game boy advance) in ubuntu ?
[10:38] <A3n-> soundray: i dont know how to change it or what to add/remove from it
[10:39] <soundray> thomas: have you got 'linux-restricted-modules-generic' installed?
[10:39] <jamesbrose> soundray, obviously :P
[10:39] <ccvp> APPEARS AS ARMANDO
[10:39] <thomas> soundray: well i tried to install that, but it still wanted to install a new kernel, is that whats meant to happen. like the generic kernel doesn't work with the drivers for some reason
[10:39] <felixfoertsch> Is there someone who can help me with a GnomeICU problem? It says "very, very bizarre Error while connecting". Can't figure out what the problem is.
[10:40] <mc44> !shout | ccvp
[10:40] <ubotu> ccvp: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[10:40] <soundray> thomas: it doesn't do that here...
[10:40] <thomas> soundray: haha ok! wierd....
[10:41] <dredhammer> hello which is better when compileing make install or checkinstall ?
[10:41] <thomas> soundray: basically i'm having a problem because i need to compile a driver for my nic, but when i did that it wouldn't work on the 386 kernel. so i'm choosing between network, or 3d, and i just did a fresh reinstall.
[10:41] <thomas> soundray: it's a bit perplexing!
[10:41] <finalbeta> !paste
[10:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:42] <dredhammer> Also has anyone successfully compiled the latest mplayer svn  with theora support enabled?
[10:42] <soundray> A3n-: run 'sudo gedit /etc/hosts' and remove the "ordiadri" string from the first line. Then try gksudo again.
[10:42] <thomas> soundray: i'll just try it again. i'm not quite so drunk now so that should help.
[10:43] <soundray> thomas: oh, you're the scotch man, and it's morning now where you are ;)
[10:43] <thomas> soundray: haha you've got a good memory :)
[10:44] <soundray> thomas: I'll go and have a glass of Lagavulin soon...
[10:44] <thomas> soundray: haha good idea :)
[10:44] <stoorty> !gcc
[10:44] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:44] <soundray> A3n-: sorry, that won't work of course...
[10:45] <soundray> A3n-: you'll have to reboot in recovery mode and edit /etc/hosts with nano
[10:45] <meshyf> anyone think they could  help me getting my wireless lan card working? Having trouble understanding ndiswrapper etc etc
[10:45] <Hazarath_> soundray, Failure, it will not connect, no indicatos work.
[10:45] <neddiW> http://digg.com/world_news/James_Kim_found_deceased_2#c4145101
[10:45] <Hazarath_> Indicators, even.
[10:45] <stoorty> !packages
[10:45] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[10:45] <kudzubane> !wireless
[10:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:46] <weswh-> i'm trying to decide if i should format my external usb storage drive as ext2 or fat32. for storing music/photos/documents, i can do ext2 and use the fs-driver.org tool to access it from windows and linux, or i can just do fat32. it's a 160gig usb2.0 drive, any recommendations?
[10:46] <georgy> !ndiswrapper
[10:46] <meshyf> I've tried those things but haven't figured it out yet. Ish weird.
[10:47] <Hazarath> Help getting WiFi up? All my other attemps failed. Read guides.
[10:47] <meshyf> K guess it'll just be more trial and error.
[10:48] <soundray> weswh-: if you're not shy of installing an extra Windows driver, ext3 is by far the best option (ext2fs will read/write ext3, too)
[10:48] <Hazarath> Need help getting my Belkin 54G PCI card online.
[10:48] <daviey> Hi, has anybody here got lirc to work?
[10:49] <cmt^^> daviey - irssi ftw
[10:49] <thomas> weswh-: whats the fs-driver tool like on windows, if it's good. i'd go with ext3
[10:49] <daviey> cmt^^, huh?
[10:49] <cmt^^> !irssi
[10:49] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface IRC client ( "sudo apt-get install irssi" without the quotes to try it out )
[10:49] <daviey> cmt^^, Thats great!! how does that helo?
[10:49] <cmt^^> daviey - helo?
[10:49] <thomas> help
[10:49] <Hazarath> Help.
[10:50] <thomas> he meant help
[10:50] <daviey> cmt^^, sorry helo mean't to say help
[10:50] <weswh-> soundray - does ext3 offer big advantages just for a storage drive? the only reason i was thinking ext2 is they say on the website: "If you mount an Ext3 file system as an Ext2 file system and the file system is not cleanly dismounted, (e.g. due to a system crash), you have to run the e2fsck tool. (Linux does it automatically.) Running e2fsck can take several hours on large volumes. You do not benefit from journaling the Ext3 file system, because you have to r
[10:50] <weswh-> un e2fsck."
[10:50] <Hazarath> Need help with wireless, read guides, still stuck.
[10:50] <thomas> Hazarath: whats the matter
[10:50] <cmt^^> daviey - I guess it doesn't.. but I recommend you give irssi a shot, it's by far the best irc-client available
[10:50] <weswh-> thomas: seems to be excellent. fs-driver.org
[10:50] <cmt^^> (if you ask me)
[10:51] <thomas> weswh-: well don't use fat32 then :)
[10:51] <daviey> cmt^^, ahh, i'm looking for LIRC - linux infra red
[10:51] <thomas> lol
[10:51] <Hazarath> thomas, can't seem to get wireless to work, was gonna try to get the wrapper thingy installed, was told I'm going the wrong way, tried the ubuntu interface thingy, still no dice.
[10:51] <thomas> Hazarath: if there are no linux drivers installed, you'll need to use the ndis wrapper
[10:52] <Hazarath> thomas, I tought so... can't get past ''make' not found'
[10:52] <Byan> how big should my swap be, with 2GB of ram?
[10:52] <mc44> Hazarath: apt-get install build-essential
[10:52] <thomas> Hazarath: hmmm where are you doing that?
[10:52] <kitche> Byan: don't need a swap with 2GB of ram really
[10:52] <Byan> kitche: should I have one anyways?
[10:52] <Hazarath> thomas, Hmm? Where am I donig what?
[10:53] <kitche> Byan: if you want to be safe yes but it probably won't be used
[10:53] <kudzubane> kitche: unless you want to capture coredumps of mem leaks and such
[10:53] <thomas> Hazarath: when does it say make not found
[10:53] <cmt^^> daviey - heheh, i just assumed lirc was something in regards to IRC
[10:53] <cmt^^> Like licq
[10:53] <daviey> cmt^^, cheers anyway
[10:53] <cmt^^> sure
[10:53] <Hazarath> thomas, in the newly created directory after un-compressing ndis
[10:54] <thomas> Hazarath: ok you should install ndis with Ubuntu's package manager
[10:54] <Hazarath> Er... installs
[10:54] <Hazarath> Eh?
[10:54] <kitche> kudzubane: yes but don't think many ubuntu users with 2 gb's of ram will be doing that
[10:54] <Hazarath> thomas, thanks... I hate doing it the bash way.
[10:54] <kudzubane> kitche: i do :)
[10:55] <thomas> Hazarath: from what you are saying, you are installing ndis from source. you can just install a binary of it. use synaptic
[10:55] <Hazarath> thomas, Doing so now.
[10:55] <thomas> Hazarath: :)
[10:55] <thomas> Hazarath: what guide are you using for ndis?
[10:55] <CarlFK> I need a util to fixed a tweaked partition table - like something that will see the FS's on the disk and figure out where the start/end of the 3 primary partitions should be. any suggestions ?
[10:56] <Hazarath> thomas, Some dude's that has my Belkin 54G card. Was told that I have a hard nosed chip on the card.
[10:57] <thomas> Hazarath: ok there is an ndis howto on the ubuntu wiki, i'm not sure of the address, but i used that to get my wireless working. you should check it out
[11:00] <eh_> ...
[11:01] <jevangelo> i just installed 3ddesktop
[11:01] <jevangelo> how do i get it to work
[11:01] <DARKGuy> jevangelo: read the manual: man 3ddesktop
[11:01] <DARKGuy> jevangelo: you'll also have to use some program to bind it to a key or something
[11:02] <TLE> How do I get mplayer to deinterlace when I'm playing a mpeg2 file ?
[11:03] <dxdt> Where does $PATH get all of its paths from?  It seems like it has a lot more than the ones just in /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc
[11:04] <kitche> dxdt: .bashrc and .bash_profile in your home directory
[11:04] <kunwon1> ~/.bashrc ?
[11:06] <Byan> better practice to have both OS's on the same disk or one on each?
[11:06] <hjmills> what do I need to do to iptables to connect to a local irc server on the network (client and server side)?
[11:06] <DARKGuy> Byan: I'd prefer one OS on each disk, so in case one of them screws up, you can just format and reinstall
[11:06] <dxdt> Yeah I checked there, but it doesn't seem to have anything.  Like my echo $PATH has things like sbin in it and I don't see .bashrc or bash_profile adding that.  Is that added by some other program somewhere?
[11:06] <NineTeen67Comet> Eeeks gadzooks .. When I login I get a white desktop and no icons .. No real time when it started, but it was yesterday, I just assumed there was an issue with Beryl but upon logging in today it's stuck like this again ..
[11:07] <kingrayray> anybody here familiar with ubuntu on ppc? specifically an older G3 imac?
[11:07] <hjmills> what do I need to do to iptables to connect to a local irc server on the network (client and server side)?
[11:08] <hjmills> NineTeen67Comet: check your xorg logs and any berly logs (if it does log stuff) and try logging into gnome failsafe so as not to laod beryl
[11:08] <kitche> hjmills: for client side nothing for server side you just have to make sure the port is open that the irc server is running on
[11:09] <Byan> can someone give me the name of the thing I need to do for dual monitors?
[11:09] <hjmills> kitche: how do I do that - I don't know iptables that well
[11:09] <kitche> !firestarter|hjmills
[11:09] <ubotu> hjmills: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:09] <NineTeen67Comet> hjmills: gotchya .. thanks .. I'll go less a little .. :)
[11:09] <mc44> Byan: Xinerama
[11:09] <hjmills> Byan: what do you mean? like xinerama?
[11:09] <Byan> hjmills: IDK
[11:09] <LaserLine> what's the command line to see ever package installed on your system
[11:09] <Byan> I just want dual monitors like I have in XP
[11:09] <Byan> atm
[11:10] <DARKGuy> Byan: For dual monitors you can use Xinerama
[11:10] <hjmills> kitche: thanks but the pc its running on is a serer with no gui
[11:10] <kingrayray> on recent nvidia cards you can also use twinview
[11:10] <hjmills> Byan: do you have an nvidia gfx card?
[11:10] <kitche> hjmills: then look up the iptables howto that ubotu said
[11:10] <Byan> hjmills: mhmm 7600GT
[11:10] <nothlit> Theres also fireflier
[11:10] <kitche> nothlit: server has no X on it
[11:11] <hjmills> kitche nothlit: thanks
[11:11] <Murchadh> LaserLine, sudo dpkg -l >> ~/applist ~this worked for me!
[11:11] <rubix_> anyone here had probs with azureus not having a systray icon
[11:12] <mc44> rubix_: right click->Add to Panel the add NotificationArea
[11:12] <AdamKili> Hey people: I'm doing a five minute presentation and want to present Ubuntu linux
[11:12] <AdamKili> any good major points I should explain?
[11:13] <Killerkiwi> Help ANybody, how do I set an MSN avater in Gaim2 ?
[11:13] <hjmills> AdamKili: artwork is available on the wiki which may help
[11:13] <hjmills> AdamKili: also emphasize its free and dont forget to take along cds if you can
[11:13] <aleprof> can anybody help me with via drivers for my video card?
[11:13] <DARKGuy> AdamKili: Nothing better that giving out free CDs for everyone to try! :D
[11:13] <nothlit> fireflier works on a server that has no x
[11:14] <AdamKili> I'm going to have my Ubuntu laptop with me. But the CDs is a excellent idea I wouldn't have thought of.
[11:14] <nothlit> theres fireflier-server and then fireflier-client-(gtk/qt/kde) qt and kde are diff... and theres a java client too
[11:14] <ITSa341> Good Evening, Anyone here familiar with using a cellular card in a laptop with Ubuntu?
[11:15] <hjmills> can i connect to multiple irc servers at once with a single irssi instance?
[11:15] <meshyf> !cabextract
[11:15] <ubotu> cabextract: a program to extract Microsoft Cabinet files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1-1 (edgy), package size 43 kB, installed size 144 kB
[11:15] <kitche> hjmills: yes use /connect instead of /server
[11:15] <hjmills> kitche: thanks
[11:16] <dxdt> aleprof, maybe, what's up?  You just ask isntead of asking to ask
[11:16] <psychad> hi, i have ubuntu 6.10 and i compiled mplayer. it can play most stuff, but mp3files and videofiles with mp3soundlayer sounds really bad, really distorted terrible sound
[11:16] <psychad> mp3s play fine in xmms though
[11:17] <psychad> any hints what i can do to fix this?
[11:17] <haxality> hello
[11:17] <haxality> I'm having problems with NFS
[11:17] <okn> does anyone know how can i fix the console fonts..they are huuge..how can i set the resolution someting like 1280x1024 ?
[11:17] <haxality> I've read like 4 tutorials, and I think I've figured it out
[11:17] <haxality> the problem is that root isn't mapped on the server
[11:17] <ITSa341> Can anyone point me to information about EVDO cards in Ubuntu?
[11:17] <haxality> what should I do to fix it
[11:17] <mamonassassina> trying to open photoshop 7.0 in wine...
[11:17] <mamonassassina> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35660/
[11:18] <amonkey> when i start X i get an api mismatch, the nvidia kernel module is 9625, but the X module is 9629. how can i update the kernel module? i have a suspicion that the kernel module just needs to be reloaded, but i don't know how.
[11:18] <kingrayray> how do u install ubuntu 6.06 LTS from a PPC system via CLI? when X starts, the resolution or something seems to be invalid so i can't see anything
[11:18] <mamonassassina> what is that?how can i solve it?
[11:18] <dxdt> okn,umm yo mean like the consoles not in gnome-terminal but the console like when you hit ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[11:18] <hjmills> kitche: ok, i have added an input rule to accept traffic on 6667 but i still cant connect, any ideas?
[11:18] <kitche> haxality: well if you explain what's wrong then someone might help you
[11:18] <aleprof> dxdt, I've tried installing xserver-xorg-video-via
[11:18] <haxality> kitche: sorry, heh
[11:18] <kitche> hjmills: did you restart iptables?
[11:18] <haxality> I get the error 'Permission Denied' when trying to connect to the server
[11:18] <mathieu__> psychad: do things sound ok with mplayer ?
[11:18] <aleprof> but when i set "via" as driver and restart X, X does not start
[11:18] <OneSeventeen> I'm creating a virtual machine to run Ubuntu 6.06 server, how much space should I allocate for the primary drive?
[11:18] <haxality> (connect = mount NFS drives on the client)
[11:19] <hjmills> kitche: no - that will probably be it - how do i do that?
[11:19] <psychad> mathieu__: everything but mp3s. i can for instance play wmv files and they sound perfect
[11:19] <mamonassassina> that's strange,i guess...winetools said Photoshop 7 runs fine.
[11:19] <kitche> hjmills: depends the server uses ubuntu?
[11:19] <ar24> Has anyone had success digitally signing documents in OpenOffice under Edgy?
[11:19] <hjmills> kitche: yup
[11:19] <Hazarath> Ok, this is getting no where... all the others that help go off before I get resolved... need WiFi help, tried everything.
[11:19] <kitche> hjmills: then look in /etc/init.d there should be an iptables script in there then do sudo /etc/init.d/iptables restart
[11:20] <dxdt> aleprof, when it fails to startx, what's the more detailed error, it probably gives you a chance to see one or something, right?  Or does it just straight crash?  If you change the driver to vesa can you get in X?
[11:20] <psychad> mathieu__: right now i am playing an wav in mplayer, it sounds nice
[11:20] <hjmills> kitche: no - theres no iptables script there - thats the first place i looked
[11:20] <haxality> oh, the irony..
[11:21] <kitche> amonkey: well considering that the X module and the kernel module are the same thing really you would do sudo rmmod nvidia then sudo modprobe nvidia
[11:21] <ar24> I've exported the certificate path variable to the appropriate .mozilla/firefox/default profile directory and restarted OOo, but it still crashes every time I try to sign a document.
[11:21] <psychad> mathieu__: and i can't decode mp3 to wav, the same sound goes into the audiodump.wav
[11:21] <kitche> hjmills: hmm it might be in another script which  I have no clue where though but it should say in that howto where the script it
[11:21] <aleprof> dxdt, with vesa driver X starts, with via i got something like "no device found"
[11:21] <Hazarath> Need WiFi help, please. Tried the guides, etc, no good.
[11:21] <amonkey> kitche, that's the first thing i tried but when i tried to rmmod nvidia, it said the module was in use.
[11:21] <dcordes> how can i convert mpeg video to mp4? i tried mencoder before but i didn't understand what argument i needed. please help
[11:22] <hjmills> kitche: oh - apparently the firewall is inactive in ubuntu by default so it cant be the firewall
[11:22] <bertx> hi
[11:22] <dxdt> aleprof, interesting, are you absolutely sure that's what the video card is?
[11:22] <fbc> What packages do I need to install to get the MAKE command?
[11:22] <dxdt> fbc, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:22] <kitche> hjmills: look at /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow
[11:22] <dxdt> fbc, that should hook you up with all the cool tools.
[11:22] <dxdt> g++ , etc
[11:22] <dxdt> and make
[11:22] <fbc> dxdt:  thanks
[11:23] <mathieu__> psychad: well it does sound like mplayer is not decoding your mp3s properly
[11:23] <dcordes> anybody?
[11:23] <bertx> Hi, do somebody knows an easy way to use beagle with vfat partition ?
[11:23] <bertx> please
[11:23] <amonkey> kitche: can i force it to unload somehow?
[11:23] <ar24> Seriously, I've created both self-signed certs and certs with root authorities and imported them into Firefox, and OOo seems to see them, but I have no idea why it keeps crashing.
[11:23] <mathieu__> psychad: does mpg123 work ?
[11:23] <psychad> mathieu__: exactly
[11:23] <psychad> mathieu__: let me try, i didn't even know i sh9ould have mpg123
[11:24] <mathieu__> psychad: it's just another program
[11:24] <aleprof> dxdt, yes, or better, hope yes... asus K8M890
[11:24] <psychad> i know what it is
[11:24] <Hova> hwo then how do i do a back up ,like the restore in windows
[11:24] <psychad> no, i don't have mpg123 installed
[11:24] <psychad> mathieu__: however, xmms plays nicely
[11:24] <psychad> xmms default ubuntu package
[11:24] <aleprof> dxdt, it's an integrated video card
[11:24] <rubix_> i am having some probs with the display of a .wmv file, its all choppy and unrecognizable
[11:25] <dxdt> aleprof, that's what I was guessing, lemme google real quick
[11:25] <analfabeta> how can i download only packages .deb for a instalation of software?!
[11:26] <kitche> Hova: you need to backup yourself with partimage or another way
[11:26] <Stormx2> Issue! Following the BerylOnEdgy guide from the wiki. When updating my package list, one of the repos 404s. Further investigation (led me too http://amaranth.selfip.com/) says its closed. What should I do?
[11:26] <Hova> cani get partimage on the sytmatic packadge ?
[11:26] <kitche> Stormx2: remove it from your source.list
[11:26] <kitche> Hova: yes
[11:27] <Stormx2> kitche: And not do the beryl thing?
[11:27] <cmt^^> What might be wrong when mplayer works from terminal but the gui doesnt work
[11:27] <kudzubane> wow, background load is just too high, removing from laptop
[11:27] <Hova> thanks
[11:27] <kitche> kudzubane:  :)
[11:27] <cmt^^> kudzubane - my dear old friend :>
[11:28] <cmt^^> i finally got the ati drivers working
[11:28] <kudzubane> kitche: too used to 0.00 0.00 0.00
[11:28] <kitche> cmt^^: your probably missing the frontend but if you run gmplayer in console it will give you more information
[11:28] <Hova> its not there  partimage
[11:28] <mathieu__> psychad: it could be that you did not have the proper development header files when you compiled mplayer
[11:28] <ar24> Anyone here actually using OOo?
[11:28] <kudzubane> cmt^^: good job, what additional step(s) did you have to perform
[11:28] <hjmills> ok, which is the simplest and easiest irc daemon?
[11:29] <thomas> i'm having some problem with the nvidia-glx drivers, i installed them but it says "unable to load nvidia kernel driver! be sure you have instaled the nvidia driver for running kernel" anyone got any ideas?
[11:29] <cmt^^> kudzubane - i actually download the linux drivers from ati.com :}
[11:29] <cmt^^> walhfmf
[11:29] <kitche> Hova: sure it is partimage just looked at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <sponix> whats the best torrent client ?
[11:29] <psychad> mathieu__: i guess so, but the configrue script says it finds mp3lib, what shall i be looking for. what <package>-dev solves this mystery? can you play mp3s in mplayer on your machine?
[11:30] <cmt^^> kitche - it added an icon to the applications/multimedia-menu
[11:30] <DARKGuy> anybody knows why bittornado doesn't resume my torrents?
[11:30] <Crescendo> After the upgrade to Edgy, Xchat opens links using Mozilla.  It should open them using Firefox. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[11:30] <kitche> cmt^^: what did?
[11:30] <mamonassassina> no,really,what is going on here?
[11:30] <cmt^^> the mplayer-installation
[11:30] <mamonassassina> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35660/
[11:30] <cmt^^> (from synaptic)
[11:30] <alessandropironi> dxdt it's me (aleprof), i've logged from my laptop, so i can restart X on pc
[11:30] <mathieu__> psychad: yes
[11:30] <kitche> cmt^^: doesn't mean anything console would give you more information why it's not running
[11:30] <mamonassassina> what can i do to run photoshop 7.0?
[11:30] <cmt^^> ok hang on
[11:31] <mamonassassina> this error message is very...errorous :P
[11:31] <mamonassassina> its...errorific.
[11:31] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: check the WINE appdb: http://appdb.wine.org and search for PS 7
[11:31] <mathieu__> psychad: when it plays the mp3 it says : Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib]  MPEG layer-2, layer-3
[11:31] <sponix> mamonassassina: might check the wine site see if it runs photoshop
[11:31] <mamonassassina> sponix: winetools says it runs fine
[11:31] <Myria> i think i found a bug in the ubuntu 6.06 x86-64 distribution, although i don't know for use
[11:31] <kingrayray> i have used photoshop 7 in wine
[11:31] <Myria> sure
[11:31] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: winetools is way outdated
[11:31] <haxality> so does anyone know what would cause me to get a "Permission denied" error while mounting an NFS share
[11:31] <haxality> ?
[11:31] <sponix> mamonassassina: never heard of winetools
[11:31] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: PS7 runs on Wine anyways
[11:31] <Myria> the "time" command does not understand its options
[11:32] <J4kch> !realplayer
[11:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:32] <mamonassassina> DARKGuy: ya,but i get that...thing.
[11:32] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: see in the wine appdb if your error has been already issued there? I don't have PS7 so...
[11:32] <mamonassassina> http://appdb.wine.org/ not found on firefox
[11:32] <psychad> mathieu__: yes
[11:32] <Myria> when you do "man time", the example command "time -f "%E real,%U user,%S sys" ls -Fs"  is given, but if you actually try that command, you get -bash: -f: command not found
[11:32] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: wtf! oO
[11:32] <mamonassassina> DARKGuy: that's the worst part,it has been issued there.
[11:32] <tkooda> how do I stop ubuntu from sleeping/suspending and/or logging me out when I close my laptop?   (commenting out "#ACPI_HIBERNATE=true" and "ACPI_SLEEP=true" in /etc/default/acpi-support dosn't seem to work?)
[11:32] <dxdt> alessandropironi, I'm reading a few posts about it, but haven't come up with a "good" solution yet.  You might want to repeat the question to the rest of the room too in case some people smarter than me can figure it out too(since it has been a while)
[11:32] <kitche> mamonassassina: it's winehq.com
[11:32] <mamonassassina> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1336
[11:32] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: so.. o.o?
[11:32] <DARKGuy> ah
[11:32] <DARKGuy> winehq
[11:32] <hjmills> does a simple irc daemon exist?
[11:32] <DARKGuy> thanks kitche xD
[11:33] <dxdt> tkooda, you have gnome power manager?  You should be able to change those options there
[11:33] <alessandropironi> ok, thank you dxdt
[11:33] <mamonassassina> DARKGuy: what i just sent won't load here.
[11:33] <mathieu__> psychad: and also : Selected audio codec: [mp3]  afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)
[11:33] <kitche> or .org*
[11:33] <Lattyware> http://knifewrench.ytmnd.com/
[11:33] <Lattyware> Damn
[11:33] <Lattyware> wrong channel
[11:33] <Lattyware> sorry guys
[11:33] <psychad> mathieu__: yes
[11:33] <haxality> guess not..
[11:33] <DARKGuy> lol
[11:33] <tkooda> dxdt, thnx, I'll check it out
[11:33] <thomas> !nvidia
[11:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:33] <psychad> mathieu__: i get sound, just very bad sound
[11:33] <dxdt> tkooda, System >> Preferences Power Mangement
[11:33] <Myria> anyone know how to use "time"'s command line options?
[11:33] <cmt^^> kitche - http://pastebin.se/4818
[11:33] <psychad> mathieu__: the sound is similar to what it supposed to sound like, but very very bad
[11:33] <tkooda> dxdt, cool, thnx
[11:33] <stoorty> is there a way to load up a console with jsut the keyboard?
[11:33] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: I think the wine site is down (like, WTF?!)
[11:34] <kitche> Myria: yes time <command> and that's it
[11:34] <haxality> stoorty: hit ctrl-alt-F2
[11:34] <psychad> stoorty: ctrl+alr+f1
[11:34] <psychad> stoorty: ctrl+alt+f1
[11:34] <haxality> psychad's suggestion works too
[11:34] <Myria> kitche: try it - it doesn't work
[11:34] <dxdt> stoorty, once in gnome?  do one of the ctrl+alt+F keys or do alt+F2 and type gnome-terminal
[11:34] <mamonassassina> DARKGuy: ya,that's very strange.
[11:34] <DARKGuy> mamonassassina: nor .org or .com work :(
[11:34] <kitche> cmt^^: your missing the skin of the frontend
[11:34] <Myria> kitche: it tries to interpret the first option as the command and execute it
[11:34] <psychad> dxdt: a console or a terminal?
[11:34] <haxality> Myria: that IS the command
[11:35] <Myria> haxality: not according to "man time"
[11:35] <Myria> "man time" says there's options to do formatting and such
[11:35] <haxality> what option are you trying to use
[11:35] <Myria> --format=%U
[11:35] <dxdt> psychad, huh?
[11:35] <alessandropironi> I can't configure my video card asus k8m890
[11:35] <Myria> i think bash might have a builtin named "time" that's interfering
[11:35] <kitche> Myria: it should be time [options]  command [argument]  and there is only one option called -p
[11:36] <Skenvoy> halp: windows/linux samba interoperability - i want to be able to have windows users browse root shares with anonymous access. Share = user makes password dialogues pop up on all windows clients
[11:36] <Myria> my ubuntu 6.06 x86-64 says there's 8 options
[11:36] <psychad> dxdt: i'm asking the quasi-philosophical question "is a console the same thing as a terminal?"
[11:36] <Skenvoy> and as a bonus i'd like all user account bound to the linux system's passwd system
[11:37] <Skenvoy> currently, linux machines can't smbmount with security = share
[11:37] <kitche> Myria: you talking about GNU options?
[11:37] <Skenvoy> and windows machines want passwords when browsing shares with security = user
[11:37] <stoorty> hmmm.... my taskbar thing has crashed, how can i kill it and reload it
[11:37] <stoorty> ?
[11:37] <dxdt> psychad, In response to someone asking how to get to one, probably not.  I think there is one, but off the top of my head, I honestly can't even think of a function that I have to do in console that I can't do with gnome-terminal..
[11:37] <Myria> kitche: i guess.  the manpage says it's a debian program.
[11:37] <amonkey> i restarted gdm and now x won't start because of an nvidia kernel module api mismatch. when i try to rmmod nvidia it tells me the module is in use, any ideas?
[11:38] <dxdt> stoorty, if you can open a console or terminal do sudo killall gnome-panel  and it should autorestart itself
[11:38] <haxality> can anyone tell me why I'd get a 'permission denied' error when trying to mount an NFS share
[11:38] <kitche> haxality: your NFS permissions is wrong
[11:38] <haxality> ...
[11:38] <haxality> on where, the server or the client?
[11:38] <dxdt> latex hurts my brain
[11:38] <haxality> and what about them is wrong?
[11:38] <psychad> stoorty: do you want to start the taskbar thing, or do you want to reset your session. you can alwasy restart x (and log otu from x) byt typing ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:38] <kitche> !NFS|haxality
[11:38] <ubotu> haxality: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[11:38] <ernz> !beryl
[11:38] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:39] <haxality> ok, kitche, I've been through everything on that page
[11:39] <Crescendo> After the upgrade to Edgy, Xchat opens links using Mozilla.  It should open them using Firefox. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[11:39] <haxality> no luck
[11:39] <psychad> stoorty: oh, type alt+f2 and you'll get a box from where you can launch programs, you can forinstance type gnome-terminal
[11:40] <diminthedam> i dont have enough permission to empty the wastebin. Is there a command to do this?
[11:40] <kitche> haxality: how are you trying to mount the NFS share?
[11:40] <meshyf> Ok now this is getting frustrating D:  I am using the ndiswrapper-1.31, got it installed and everything. Found what I think is the right driver for it, but now ndsiwrapper says "Driver present, hardware present Invalid driver!" what the heck do I do now?
[11:40] <dxdt> alessandropironi, do you plan to use this driver to try to do things like Beryl and the other 3d video card things?  I ask because I found a solution that would probably work, but it uses an open source driver that although better for your card than vesa, won't let you do 3d stuff.
[11:40] <frandavid100> hi
[11:40] <Byan> how do I change the resolution of the terminal for my server?
[11:41] <Skenvoy> my samba server is also not responding to netbios broadcasts for name resolution
[11:41] <frandavid100> is there a command for shutting down the computer?
[11:41] <Myria> the options work if i do /usr/bin/time instead of time
[11:41] <Byan> frandavid100: shutdown
[11:41] <Byan> ?
[11:41] <Myria> i'll just do that then
[11:41] <Myria> bye
[11:41] <frandavid100> thanks Byan, and any way to delay it, say, 30 min?
[11:41] <kitche> haxality: since to me it sounds like your not using sudo when trying to mount it
[11:42] <Byan> frandavid100: man shutdown
[11:42] <dxdt> Byan, do you mean your console font like when you press ctrl+alt+F1  ?
[11:42] <alessandropironi> dxdt, no actually i don't need 3d
[11:42] <Byan> dxdt: huh?
[11:42] <hjmills> how do I specify a password when connecting to an irc server?
[11:42] <Byan> dxdt: I mean, I am on a almost headless server
[11:42] <dxdt> oh I got nothing on that.  You mean like when you ssh in the font is weird?
[11:43] <reverseblade> hjmills, with XChat ?
[11:43] <linux__> hallo leute
[11:43] <reverseblade> hjmills, click edit tab with the servers
[11:43] <Byan> >_<
[11:43] <Byan> dxdt: I have no X server
[11:43] <Byan> I am on a terminal
[11:43] <Byan> no ssh
[11:43] <Byan> atm
[11:43] <hjmills> reverseblade: sorry - im using irssi
[11:43] <linux__> hey piople help how can i my ip hidden?
[11:44] <ITSa341> Can anyone point me to information about which EVDO cards work best in Ubuntu?
[11:44] <cmt^^> kitche - how do I get that then?
[11:44] <linux__> i cant soft finden
[11:44] <reverseblade> hjmills, if you are proficient enough to use irssi, then I am sure you will find it out
[11:44] <hjmills> reverseblade: lol, thanks
[11:45] <J4kch> Damn microsoft owning bungie, forces me to get w32codecs just to watch the Halo3 trailer...
[11:45] <frandavid100> thanks Byan, g'night!!
[11:45] <Stormx2> yay
[11:45] <kitche> cmt^^: mplayer-skins you want to install that
[11:45] <Stormx2> note to self
[11:45] <Stormx2> buy better video card
[11:45] <ITSa341> Can anyone point me to information about which cellular internet cards work best in Ubuntu?
[11:45] <Rayworld> hi
[11:45] <alessandropironi> dxdt, what do you have found
[11:45] <linux__> leute zu hilfe
[11:46] <linux__> bitte bitte
[11:46] <Rayworld> anybody with an acer aspire 5050 with ubuntu installed??
[11:46] <linux__>  ?
[11:46] <cmt^^> hmmm
[11:46] <haxality> kitche: I've used sudo for every mount command
[11:46] <mnoir> !gr
[11:46] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[11:46] <linux__> Gibt es jemanden aus De?
[11:46] <haxality> kitche: since you can't even 'mount' as non-root
[11:46] <mnoir> !de
[11:46] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:46] <cmt^^> kitche - it says I already have the latest version
[11:46] <cmt^^> !se
[11:46] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[11:46] <kitche> haxality: well techinally you can mount as non-root
[11:47] <haxality> kitche: ok, but my point was that I have used sudo every time
[11:47] <dxdt> alessandropironi, the thread here has some interesting solutions, but I am not sure if these are the best options.  Someone mentions a fix by removing one driver then using another but you still leave via in your xorg.conf because they use the same name for some weird reason.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291157&highlight=asus+K8M890+video
[11:47] <linux__> danke
[11:47] <Skenvoy> how do i get a decent, working samba config - i want windows users to browse shares anonymously - currenly linux clients can but windows XP cannot
[11:47] <Skenvoy> also I don't want a separate samba password system
[11:48] <rubix_> with the adobe flash plug graphics and interactive menus display ok but the text does not
[11:48] <Skenvoy> i want it synced/equivalent to/whatever the linux system passwords
[11:48] <Rayworld> i havent sound...
[11:48] <Rayworld> lspci say 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 437b (rev 01)
[11:48] <Rayworld> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-ISA Bridge (rev 80)
[11:48] <Rayworld> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-PCI Bridge (rev 80)
[11:48] <Rayworld> if i put my headphones it sound
[11:49] <AnRkey> Hi everyone
[11:49] <Rayworld> but without them i havent
[11:49] <kitche> haxality: what does your /etc/hosts.deny say on the server?
[11:49] <AnRkey> I have been snooping around on ubuntu.com and I can't find out where to join the beta testing team for ubuntu's next release
[11:49] <AnRkey> could any1 here tell me?
[11:49] <Valmarko> Is it  safe to set agp mode to x8 on ubuntu 6.10?
[11:50] <kitche> AnRkey: you just download the feisty fawn iso
[11:50] <gnomefreak> !testing
[11:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about testing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:50] <gnomefreak> gr
[11:50] <AnRkey> !testing
[11:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about testing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:50] <sancho> Good evening.
[11:50] <nuked_omen> !beta
[11:50] <sancho> Anyone around?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> AnRkey: its not there start downloading the ISO ill get you the link
[11:50] <Stormx2> Evening, sancho.
[11:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:50] <Flosoft> how come that the IAX library is broken, and when is there going to be a fix?
[11:50] <sancho> I am searching for some help. Is this the right place?
[11:51] <Stormx2> Anyone here using GmailFS / Gmail Drive?
[11:51] <Stormx2> sancho: Yeah. Ask away
[11:51] <nuked_omen> sancho, it might be
[11:51] <alessandropironi> dxdt, it seems to be the right thing... thank you, i go on reading
[11:51] <AnRkey> thanks gnomefreak
[11:51] <ITSa341> Stormx    I use the ff extension for that
[11:51] <Skenvoy> how do i get a decent, working samba config - i want windows users to browse shares anonymously - currenly linux clients can but windows XP cannot
[11:51] <Stormx2> ITSa341: Any good?
[11:51] <Skenvoy> i want it synced/equivalent to/whatever the linux system passwords
[11:51] <nuked_omen> there is a lot to learn in this short life
[11:51] <Skenvoy> also I don't want a separate samba password system
[11:51] <kitche> AnRkey: join #ubuntu+1
[11:51] <sancho> I'd like offer something to community. I have a server on the net with pretty fast and stable connection and I would like to offer a mirror for installations. How can I do this?
[11:52] <dxdt> alessandropironi, yeah long story short it looks like you hit a bug in Ubuntu that should be fixed in the next release :( in the meantime I think you can use that post to solve the problem.  I would use that post probably if I were you
[11:52] <Flosoft> https://launchpad.net/bugs/74102
[11:52] <ITSa341> Stormx2  It works but I have found the free xdrive to be more suitable since it has more space, larger file sizes and a platform independant gui
[11:52] <Stormx2> ITSa341: xdrive?
[11:53] <Stormx2> ITSa341: Ah okay
[11:53] <Stormx2> ITSa341: Whats the hitch?
[11:53] <ITSa341> Stormx2  sign up for a free AOL account, then sign up for the free xDrive account and you will end up with 50GB free storage
[11:53] <Stormx2> Oh sweet
[11:53] <ITSa341> FREE AOL   no credit card etc
[11:53] <Pacifist> I've successfully installed ubuntu on a couple of my computers, but on another PC the CD doesn't automaticlly boot on start-up.  How can I fix this?
[11:53] <kingrayray> Pacifist: make sure the system's bios is configured to boot from cdrom
[11:53] <Amaranth> Stormx2: I'm probably a bit late but here:
[11:54] <Amaranth> !nvidia9 | Stormx2
[11:54] <ubotu> Stormx2: For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9629 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using one of these repositories: "deb http://seerofsouls.com/ edgy contrib" (for x86) (key at http://seerofsouls.com/ubuntu.html) or "deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ edgy lrm-amd64" (for AMD64)
[11:54] <AnRkey> thanks kitche
[11:54] <ITSa341> Stormx2   their interface works great in ff linux
[11:54] <Stormx2> Amaranth: Don't worry. Been there broke x fixed it logged back in.
[11:54] <Stormx2> Amaranth: My card is unsupported, I guess.
[11:54] <sancho> Guys, no advice on this one? : I'd like offer something to community. I have a server on the net with pretty fast and stable connection and I would like to offer a mirror for installations. How can I do this?
[11:54] <Amaranth> Stormx2: What card?
[11:54] <Stormx2> Amaranth: Old nvidia, 1 second.
[11:54] <nuked_omen> sancho, i tried searching on ubuntu.com, couldn't find a link whatsoever
[11:55] <Stormx2> Amaranth: Bleh. How do I get its name? I forget. Its like an NVIDIA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro
[11:55] <sancho> nuked_omen: Neither did I, I would not ask otherwise :-)
[11:55] <kitche> Stormx2: yeah you want the nvidia-legacy drivers
[11:55] <Amaranth> Stormx2: oh hell, that'll never be supported :)
[11:55] <ITSa341> Anyone got any advice on an EVDO ( cellular ) card for use in Ubuntu? I don't want to sign up for two years and buy a $100 card and find it won't work right
[11:55] <johny5> Silly question, can I mount a networked dvd burner in order to burn things on it?
[11:55] <Stormx2> kitche: Eek?
[11:55] <Amaranth> Stormx2: I don't even think the open source driver goes back that far (the new 3D one)
[11:55] <Stormx2> kitche: There wouldn't be much point running beryl on that then...
[11:56] <Stormx2> ITSa341: 5gb space only? Is there an "AOL Users Signup" somethere? ;-)
[11:56] <nuked_omen> sancho, ok, just thought you're one of those that ask when they got the answer :)
[11:56] <holycow> !nforce
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nforce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <AnRkey> gnomefreak: i'm fine now thanks for your help
[11:56] <kitche> Stormx2: think anything TNT is legacy I know my geforce2 mx 440 is still supported
[11:56] <OneSeventeen> what do I do when my wifi network connection forgets the IP addresses associated with Domain names?
[11:56] <Stormx2> I need a new graphics card then. Any suggestions?
[11:56] <sancho> nuked_omen: No :) I even searched the forum, but there is a lot of mess and no real answer :-(
[11:56] <Amaranth> kitche: Actualy I'm pretty sure the geforce 2 cards are no longer supported as of 97xx
[11:57] <holycow> hey Amallya
[11:57] <holycow> err
[11:57] <holycow> Amaranth,
[11:57] <kitche> Amaranth: no they are still supported my card works fine in regular nvidia card
[11:57] <ITSa341> Stormx  it said 5gb all over but when I got done it gives AOL users 50GB   You have to use the link at aol.com and your AOL username when you sign up
[11:57] <Hova> still cant install the partimage
[11:57] <Amaranth> kitche: With the 97xx driver? I know it works with 9729
[11:57] <kitche> Amaranth: but then again geforce 2 mx 440 is not really a geforce2 card
[11:57] <Hova> checking for working autoheader... found
[11:57] <Hova> checking for working makeinfo... missing
[11:57] <Amaranth> kitche: err, 9629
[11:57] <Stormx2> ITSa341: xD Apparently my screen name has been suspended.
[11:57] <nuked_omen> sancho, i think they got many mirrors already.. why don't you try something else
[11:57] <ITSa341> Stormx2   Ooops
[11:57] <nuked_omen> other kind of support maybe
[11:57] <Amaranth> hey holycow
[11:57] <holycow> Amaranth, question for ya ... what is the fastest way to compile and package particular drivers for dapper?
[11:58] <Amaranth> holycow: *shrug*
[11:58] <Amaranth> holycow: I just replace one driver with another for nvidia
[11:58] <sancho> nuked_omen: They have no mirror in my country and the DL from near countries is pretty slow. I have a machine directly at the SIX exchange center...
[11:58] <holycow> i've packages some using a hack way back ... is there a decent shortish howto, the debian notes on packaging are too long
[11:58] <holycow> Amaranth, manually?
[11:58] <Amaranth> holycow: I don't know how to do it, sorry
[11:59] <Hova> can any one help with thi patition thing
[11:59] <holycow> Amaranth, no biggie, shootin in the dark
[11:59] <holycow> thanks
[11:59] <kitche> Amaranth: well considering that 97xx drivers are not out
[11:59] <h6w> Hey, is it possible to make the gnome panel float above the applications rather than push them over?
[11:59] <Amaranth> holycow: The only kernel module packaging I've done as been replacing one nvidia driver with another and changing the version in the build script
[11:59] <Amaranth> kitche: They probably will be soon
[11:59] <holycow> ah gotcha *nod*
[11:59] <Amaranth> kitche: They'll probably be in feisty too
[11:59] <nuked_omen> sancho, i'll probably contact the developers.. and also tell them to make it easier to participate
[11:59] <nuked_omen> i would*
[11:59] <mnoir> holycow: If you are using standard debian building tools, there is a cute toy called checkinstall that will do it for you
[12:00] <sancho> nuked_omen :-) Thanks in advance. Can I drop you my mail or something to allow some contact?
[12:00] <nuked_omen> sancho, sure.
[12:00] <conreyt> anyone here have experience grabbing video off of a Canon ZR80 I can't seem to find any docs in the wild....  I could really use some help. (Ubuntu Edgy)
[12:00] <kitche> Amaranth: well geforce2 mx 440 are still being made my geforce 2 mx 440 is DirectX 9 compatible
[12:00] <nuked_omen> i do msn and yahoo
[12:00] <Stormx2> Blah. What format are USA phone numbers in? I need to make one up xD
[12:01] <holycow> mnoir, neato