[00:02] <MarcoPau> nobody?
[01:47] <verbalshadow> Sarvatt: thanks, i'll file a bug soon on the ati drivers
[02:12] <bjsnider> libv, i read the phoronix story about this "greater modularization" but i don't see how the current system differs
[02:12] <bjsnider> isn't it already modularized?
[02:18] <libv> bjsnider: it isn't
[02:18] <libv> xserver is
[02:18] <libv> everything else isn't
[02:18] <bjsnider> i like how you're going directly around the developers to the users
[02:18] <libv> libdrm is not just libdrm, it is also libdrm_intel, libdrm_radeon, libdrm_nouveau
[02:18] <libv> all tracked with a single version number
[02:18] <bjsnider> i don't know if you're right or they are, but your tactic is populist in nature
[02:18] <libv> populist?
[02:18] <libv> what?
[02:19] <libv> i am the least populist X.org developer.
[02:19] <bjsnider> well, you're encouraging users to use your git tree instead of main right?
[02:19] <libv> and with that, the least popular.
[02:20] <libv> i am doing this to prove my point
[02:20] <libv> people claim that what i am doing is utterly impossible
[02:21] <libv> and therefor try to shut me and my ideas up, and keep things in a broken state for everyone
[02:21] <bjsnider> what point are you trying to prove?
[02:21] <libv> that it is not impossible, and that it actually makes quite a lot of sense.
[02:22] <libv> people can no longer use this clearly false argument
[02:22] <bjsnider> what are you trying to prove is possible?
[02:22] <libv> to modularize out the dri drivers from mesa.
[02:22] <bjsnider> why would that be desirable?
[02:22] <libv> *sigh*
[02:24] <libv> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fosdem_2010_unification&num=1
[03:54] <Sarvatt> RAOF: I believe you actually need to use the noaccel nouveau module option instead of xorg.conf now, think thats a relic of UMS
[03:55] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I was wondering that myself, so I tested it :)
[03:55] <Sarvatt> oh spiffy, sorry then :)
[03:55] <RAOF> I got a *wonderfully* slow X server, using ShadowFB.
[03:55] <Sarvatt> i'm going to suggest they just disable Xv instead of completely disabling accel
[03:56] <RAOF> But the Xv issue is not the only one - there's the corruption of the desktop wallpaper, too.
[03:57] <Sarvatt> ohh missed that, I need to stay away from bugs when I'm half asleep :)
[04:36] <Sarvatt> RAOF: didn't karmic have clutter 0.8.x that netbook-launcher used? i'm positive 0.8.x needed opengl 1.4 support and that person using savage in that bug had 1.2
[04:36] <Sarvatt> they didnt lower it to opengl 1.2 until after clutter 1.0
[04:37] <RAOF> I'm not sure.  Regardless, savage shouldn't be SIGSEGVing on glGetString (GL_EXTENSIONS); as far as I can tell there's a GL context bound.
[04:37] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbook-launcher/+bug/467474 (sorry had to dig it up)
[04:38] <RAOF> Clutter certainly wasn't checking for 1.4 and erroring out if it didn't find it.
[06:02] <superm1> bjsnider, i'm here on and off, please ping with specific questions though
[16:26] <pgraner> bryceh: you about?
[17:30] <Sarvatt> anyone know a way to force firmware into the initrd if the module doesn't claim it needs it? want to figure it out for nouveau blob ctxprogs usage
[17:41] <Sarvatt> hmm what to do about the nvidia-settings issue.. -96 and -173 can't load the X display configuration page in nvidia-settings because some of the extensions from newer drivers (NoScanout) aren't available in the older drivers and it fails to load
[17:41] <Sarvatt> upstream ones work of course because they bundle the right nvidia-settings with the blobs
[17:47] <bryceh> Sarvatt, file a bug report and assign to tseliot
[17:59] <Sarvatt> want me to latch onto an existing or file a new one and dupe the others to it?
[18:00] <Sarvatt> theres a *lot* of others, would be faster to do a new one and dupe as i come across them if thats ok
[18:01] <bryceh> yep that's fine
[18:08] <Sarvatt> alrighty https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/539196
[18:25] <rye> Hello. Having found about nVidia GPU overhearing with their proprietary drivers and experiencing substantial redraw slowdown with their latest version I decided to give nouveau a second try.
[18:25] <rye> Is there anything particular required to set up to make it work with current lucid on GeForce 8400M ?
[18:26]  * rye was here not so long ago running in circles, screaming and shouting about nvidia, blacklist and /usr partition
[18:28] <rye> So far - no nvidia modules installed, blacklist rules are removed. Plymouth is not starting up. With no other options, kernel modesetting is enabled and after X starts, it gives a static green-bars image
[18:28] <rye> with kernel modesetting disabled (i believe that's nouveau.modeset=0) I can get to X, but the resolution is 800x600 on 1280x800 screen.
[18:29] <rye> no xorg.conf is present, defaults are applied
[18:36] <tjaalton> rye: nouveau only supports kms, so with nomodeset you probably get -nv or vesa?
[18:37] <rye> tjaalton, hm, vesa. Right
[18:39] <rye> tjaalton, ok, by default kms is enabled, so if I don't get it working then that's a bug
[18:39] <rye> ?
[18:41] <tjaalton> sure
[18:42] <tjaalton> try booting without splash
[18:42] <rye> I mean is there anything I can do to get some useful debug info, I remember having nouveau working in the past... a week ago?
[18:57] <bryceh> tjaalton, heya
[18:58] <vish> bryceh: hi , Bug #515548 , was due to a bug in the radeon drivers , afaik , nothing to do with the kernel , shall i revert the status that the automatic script set?
[19:00] <bryceh> vish, have you tested it against the latest drm?
[19:01] <vish> bryceh: i havent tried the ppa , but i'm running the latest lucid kernel , with the xedgers ppa , which fixed the problem
[19:01] <vish> havent yet tried drm ppa*
[19:02] <bryceh> vish, don't need to test the drm ppa anymore, it's now in lucid
[19:02] <bryceh> vish, mention that the -radeon from the xorg-edgers fixed the problem, and indicate the exact package name and date, since stuff in xorg-edgers changes day by day
[19:03] <bryceh> vish, if you can identify the exact patch / changeset which solved the issue, attach the patch to the bug report.  That will up the priority on the bug report
[19:03] <vish> bryceh: ah , ok. so the status can be reverted? Sarvatt added the fix for the bug in xedgers ppa. now sure if it landed in karmic , i have mentioned the changes required in the comments
[19:03] <vish> s/karmic/lucid
[19:04] <vish> bryceh: comment 4 and 3 those are the patches we need to fix the bug
[19:04] <bryceh> yes if you do those things set the status to Confirmed
[19:05] <rye> tjaalton, hm, the neighbor notebook with ATI Radeon - M52 [Mobility Radeon X1300] can't get to GDM as well, disabling with radeon.modeset helps.
[19:07] <rye> is there any known regression that may make two substantially different kms-enabled devices to stop working suddenly (i.e. my Nvidia GF 8400m w/ nouveau and ATI Mobility Radeon X1300) ? Checking whether Intel netbook follows those two
[19:10] <rye> tjaalton, by 'can't get to GDM' i mean that for ATI the plymouth screen stays when X is supposed to be there. checking now with splash disabled.
[19:14] <rye> starting w/o splash works for ATI, hm, plymouth is at 0.8.0~-14
[19:21] <tjaalton> bryceh: howdy
[19:21] <tjaalton> rye: probably something plymouth related then
[19:26] <tjaalton> afk ->
[19:49] <Sarvatt> woohoo, super major r600+ improvement in -ati just landed, 10x performance increase in DFS which was the biggest complaint about those chipsets i've seen
[19:49] <rye> hello again, is "(EE) [drm] failed to open device" supposed to be in Xorg with nouveau?
[19:49] <Sarvatt> flash uses DFS a ton and it was really slowing things down with KMS on r600+
[19:50] <Sarvatt> vish: both the ddx and libdrm fixes for your bug have been in lucid proper for awhile, no need to use edgers
[19:51] <johanbr> rye, I've seen that when the kernel/libdrm/X versions are not in sync
[19:51] <Sarvatt> rye: need more full logs to troubleshoot, could be a ton of things
[19:52] <Sarvatt> regarding the drm failed to open device problem at least
[19:52] <rye> Sarvatt, ok, will make sure that I am running latest as of now
[19:54] <Sarvatt> you're using stock lucid not a PPA right?
[19:56] <rye> Sarvatt, hm... let me find out. I should not be using PPA, but that rang a bell
[19:57] <rye> PPA
[19:57] <rye> awesome
[20:09] <rye> Sarvatt, I have to apologise for the noise, again. Will file a bug against myself to check the origin of the packages installed. OTOH i verified that the packages in PPA do not work :)
[20:09] <vish> Sarvatt: thats good to know  , thanks :)
[20:09] <rye> Sarvatt, with stock lucid packages I get usable GDM + Plymouth shiney
[20:10]  * rye tries to set up multihead now. Silences himself for at least 30 minutes
[20:10] <Sarvatt> what PPA were you using?
[20:10] <rye> Sarvatt, xorg-edgers-nouveau-lucid
[20:12] <Sarvatt> oh, didnt realize that had my packages in it, guessing my hooks to blacklist nouveau and vga16fb arent working
[20:12] <Sarvatt> i haven't tested it on nouveau at all so I have no idea if anything is screwed up
[20:13] <Sarvatt> wife has had my nouveau laptop for the past few days :(
[20:21] <bjsnider> yeah, it's aaalll the wife's fault
[21:04] <Sarvatt> so I think we need to change /lib/udev/rules.d/69-xserver-xorg-input-synaptics.rules to ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ENV{ID_INPUT_TABLET}=="?*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ENV{x11_driver}="wacom"  or something for starters
[21:04] <Sarvatt> to stop wacom from claiming all tablet devices
[21:05] <Sarvatt> serial tablets of other brands should be covered by the pnp subsystem checks at the top
[21:06] <bryceh> Sarvatt, that'll make it fall through to -evdev?
[21:07] <Sarvatt> hmm wait, need to look at some logs to see whats happening. TOUCHSCREEN and TABLET are seperate matches already
[21:08] <Sarvatt> really need to find a darn cheap touchscreen somewhere to mess with this
[21:11] <Sarvatt> INPUT_TOUCHSCREEN stuff is getting shoved over to wacom for some reason
[21:12]  * Sarvatt tries to find superm1's bug report again..
[21:13] <bryceh> Sarvatt, tjaalton:  I brainstormed some todo's that need done between now and lucid release, to help coordinate efforts...  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Projects
[21:14] <bryceh> Sarvatt, tjaalton: if you can think of things not on that list, let me know and I'll add them
[21:14] <bryceh> and if there's any tasks you want to have ownership on, let me know that too (or just mark yourself the owner in that list)
[21:20] <KiBi> :W 7
[21:20] <KiBi> oops, sorry.
[21:32] <Sarvatt> superm1: Dell actually has drivers for your devices touchscreen under ubuntu that just need updating to the latest ones with xserver 1.7 support, do you have access to the source package to update it?
[21:32] <Sarvatt>  http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=UD94&catid=-1&dateid=-1&impid=-1&osl=EN&typeid=-1&formatid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=LAT_2100&hidos=LNUX&hidlang=en&TabIndex=&scanSupported=False&scanConsent=False
[21:33] <Sarvatt> Latitude 2100
[21:34] <Sarvatt> thats a deb package of the blob drivers I linked for you the other day, cant seem to download it completely to check it out though
[21:37] <Sarvatt> bryceh: Investigate/develop way to override video settings when KMS is used (work with kernel team) -- I have been toying with that in my free time, I managed to get xforcevesa working partially by adding a check in initramfs-tools for it, blacklisting drm i915 nouveau and radeon modules if its there, and having the gdm init script exit1 so failsafeX is used when its on the command line
[21:38] <Sarvatt> the only hinderance I've had is actually making the blacklisting stick, late in the boot process drm/i915 is loaded even if its blacklisted
[21:38] <Sarvatt> so failsafeX is working but its fbdev on top of KMS
[21:40] <bryceh> mm
[21:40] <Sarvatt> couldn't figure out why it was happening, i think I might have to extend the /proc/cmdline checks in plymouth that check for single to not load if xforcevesa exists as well which would be easy
[21:40] <bryceh> Sarvatt, sounds like good progress though
[21:41] <bryceh> Sarvatt, do you want to take ownership of this task, or just be listed as a resource/contact?
[21:43] <Sarvatt> sure, I think I can get it working soon but I dont have commit rights to the relevant packages so it might not be appropriate
[21:46] <Sarvatt> i'm not sure if I'm going about it the right way, theres a whole lot of options to do it
[21:46] <bryceh> ok, I'll jot you down.  I'll be happy to take care of sponsoring where you need committing
[21:49] <Sarvatt> wasn't sure about what arg to use either, just went with xforcevesa for now since that was around before
[21:50] <tjaalton> bryceh: ok, mesa 7.7.1 and xserver 1.7.6 probably should be on the list. also wacom 0.10.5 which is hopefully released soonish
[21:53] <bryceh> tjaalton, ok thanks
[21:56] <Sarvatt> yeah wacom seems important, a lot of serial tablet fixes in it
[21:56] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: probably wiser to change the wacom udev rule not claim all tablets
[21:57] <Sarvatt> I would add xserver-xorg-video-ati to the list as well since it fixes the 100% cpu usage if any kind of flash is happening also on r600+
[21:57] <tjaalton> but like the old fdi file did, match the vendor id's (like for the serial devices now)
[21:57] <tjaalton> yeah ati 6.13 too
[21:57] <Sarvatt> just the one vendor id match I pasted should be enough I would think, the other brands are serial ones matched earlier?
[21:58] <tjaalton> but that was for synaptics?
[21:58] <sebner> bryceh: I guess there is no calender feature (visualisation of the tasks) planned?!
[21:58] <sebner> bryceh: + for gtg
[21:58] <Sarvatt> ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ENV{ID_INPUT_TABLET}=="?*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", ENV{x11_driver}="wacom
[21:58] <tjaalton> well you mentioned synaptics.rules, so got confused there :)
[21:59] <Sarvatt> oh sheesh sorry!
[21:59] <tjaalton> in that case yes, you're right
[21:59] <Sarvatt> was looking at synaptics kernel source and had it on the brain at the time
[22:00] <jcristau> tjaalton: and xinput 1.5.1! it's critical! (ok, not really, just manpage updates) :)
[22:00] <tjaalton> jcristau: good catch!
[22:01] <tjaalton> :)
[22:01] <tjaalton> bryceh: pinged whot about the wacom releas
[22:01] <tjaalton> e
[22:01] <tjaalton> so I'll choose that from the list
[22:02] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: file a bug about that so I won't forget
[22:02] <bryceh> tjaalton, ok
[22:02] <bryceh> got -ati too
[22:02] <tjaalton> and assign it to me
[22:02] <Sarvatt> this ideacom touchscreen device I'm looking at registers as generic usbhid mouse/keyboard devices not a usbtouchscreen one, no wonder its bugging me out
[22:02]  * bryceh waits for wiki to finish saving *whistle* *whistle*
[22:03] <tjaalton> oh yeah there's that touchscreen task too, hope it's not multitouch :)
[22:03] <bryceh> oh sorry, yes multitouch
[22:03] <tjaalton> whot posted an rfc about it today
[22:03] <bryceh> will fix once wiki is done saving
[22:03] <bryceh> tjaalton, ah cool I'll check it out
[22:05] <Sarvatt> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40842504/XorgLog.txt
[22:05] <Sarvatt> xorg log booting with a touchscreen thats loading wacom
[22:07]  * sebner feels slighty ingored by bryceh :p
[22:07] <tjaalton> bryceh: it's far from being ready though, so maybe a bit volatile for lucid :)
[22:08] <Sarvatt> oh ok the device has ID_INPUT_TABLET=1 in the udev log
[22:09] <bryceh> sebner, sorry a bit busy at the moment
[22:10] <bryceh> sebner, did you mean to ask on #gtg?
[22:10] <bryceh> sebner, not sure what you're referring to, tbh
[22:11] <sebner> bryceh: nah, I know that you are somehow heavily involved and did see you active here so I thought about shooting a quick question. Something like lightning,..
[22:11] <bryceh> tjaalton, at a minimum we want to get it in a PPA.  But there is strong motivation to get it into lucid even if it introduces risk for us
[22:12] <bryceh> (in fact, this is one reason I'm getting the X stabilization work tasked out, so we can bring in some additional people to work on X so we can make more resources available for MT work)
[22:12] <tjaalton> bryceh: oh well.. :)
[22:14] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah the concerns about X stabilization risks is known to pitti and rickspencer3 and hopefully this msg will flag them that you have some concerns here too
[22:14] <rickspencer3> what huh?
[22:15] <rickspencer3> bryceh, should you invite tjaalton to your pow-wow tomorrow?
[22:15]  * sebner waves at rickspencer3 :)
[22:15] <rickspencer3> ironically, I am talking to RAOF about this atm
[22:15] <rickspencer3> hi sebner
[22:15] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yep, sounds like Sarvatt would be good to invite too
[22:16] <tjaalton> pow-wow?-) sounds like some commercial
[22:16] <tjaalton> oh, indians
[22:16] <bryceh> tjaalton, US colloquialism for "big meeting"
[22:17] <tjaalton> bryceh: what time was that?
[22:18] <bryceh> haven't decided... tough finding a time where me, tseliot, and raof all are awake at the same time
[22:18] <bryceh> rickspencer3, suggestions on a time?
[22:19] <rickspencer3> bryceh, hmmm
[22:19] <rickspencer3> with dst I'm all confused now
[22:19] <tjaalton> this is about more than just MT?
[22:19] <RAOF> 7AM my time (2000UTC) seemed to work for last week's Do meeting.
[22:19] <rickspencer3> I think 1pm tomorrow will be 9am in Sydney and 10pm in England
[22:20] <rickspencer3> bryceh, maybe you can convince RAOF to do 8am and Jan to do 9pm?
[22:20] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah the meeting is for general X work, who wants to take which tasks, make sure we have everything covered
[22:20] <bryceh> rickspencer3, ok works for me
[22:21] <bryceh> mm, ok 1pm seems to be 2000UTC,
[22:21] <bryceh> am I calculating right?
[22:21] <RAOF> I'm happy to do 7am or 8am.
[22:23] <Sarvatt> any time is good for me as long as I know beforehand, my hours are pretty flexible and I don't imagine it'd take too long so I could squeeze it in between jobs
[22:23] <tjaalton> either of those is fine by me, 2200UTC is getting a bit late
[22:23] <RAOF> Does http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=16&month=3&year=2010&p1=240&p2=136&p3=137&p4=179 cover everyone?
[22:24] <tjaalton> should be in bed already :)
[22:24] <bryceh> ok 2000UTC it is.  google calendar meeting invite thingee coming right up
[22:25] <bryceh> rickspencer3, got an email addy for Jan?
[22:26] <rickspencer3> bryceh, PM'd
[22:27] <bryceh> ta
[22:43] <tjaalton> bryceh: btw, push your xserver changes to git ;)
[22:43] <tjaalton> unless they are there already, haven't checked recently
[22:44] <bryceh> invite sent
[22:44] <bryceh> tjaalton, pushed
[22:44] <bryceh> I wish I understood why I continually fail to git push
[22:45] <tjaalton> debuild -S -sa -i".git"; dput ../foo; git push origin ubunt, simple as that ;)
[22:45] <tjaalton> +u somewher
[22:45] <tjaalton> e
[22:45] <tjaalton> damnit
[22:45] <bryceh> lol
[22:46] <tjaalton> new shiny lenovo keyboard still making me mistype
[22:52] <KiBi> tjaalton: -i alone works fine in most cases
[22:53] <tjaalton> KiBi: hasn't for me, and never bothered to find out why :)
[22:53] <Sarvatt> hmm http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15611
[22:53] <KiBi> tjaalton: I think native packages need some -I in addition or something.
[22:53] <KiBi> Always did for me; but nevermind :)
[22:54] <Sarvatt> I put DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i -I.bzr -I.svn -I.git" in ~/.devscripts (someone here told me that trick)
[22:54] <tjaalton> KiBi: yes, when packaging xorg. I need to check my settings some time
[22:54] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: they should have a 24" version too
[22:55] <KiBi> /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Source/Package.pm:(?:^|/)(?:CVS|RCS|\.deps|\{arch\}|\.arch-ids|\.svn|\.hg(?:tags)?|_darcs|\.git|
[22:55] <KiBi> It knows about much more than you need to type ;)
[22:55] <tjaalton> yeah I know that but it still never worked. maybe some setting overrode it or something
[22:55] <tjaalton> I'll try tomorrow :)
[22:59] <Sarvatt> should add .bzr to that :)
[22:59] <tjaalton> it is, just not on that same line :)
[23:57] <Sarvatt> hmm ok so superm1's specific touchscreen is resistive and reporting as a tablet instead of a touchscreen, that makes sense
[23:57] <bjsnider> -i".git" ignores all subfolders with that name or just in the top level?
[23:58] <Sarvatt> so the issue looks like, udev's idinput checks for BTN_TOOL_PEN or BTN_STYLUS and assigns it ID_INPUT_TABLET=1 if so, and doesn't check further down the list where it looks for BTN_TOUCH to assign ID_INPUT_TOUCHSCREEN=1
[23:59] <Sarvatt> 65-xorg-evdev.rules doesn't assign evdev to ID_INPUT_TABLET at all


[09:10] <elfy> zequence: got really far yesterday ... vbox install went fubar and ended up in 640x480, then a hardware install refused to do anything, by the time I'd installed ubuntustudio-desktop on top of a spare xubuntu one - I'd had enough
[09:10] <elfy> not working till thursday - so I'll try and get a bunch started off before then
[09:10] <zequence> elfy: You installed Ubuntu Studio trusty?
[09:17] <elfy> in a vm it did, on hardware it failed from image - installed the bits for it from synaptic in an existing xubuntu install
[09:17] <zequence> elfy: There might be some problems with the kernel. I had it fail on one machine
[09:17] <zequence> But nice to know install is possible
[09:18] <elfy> I saw in the backlog here - I'll have another look later today with the daily - see if it's any different
[09:18] <zequence> I was supposed to do some testing last weekend. Only got the images downloaded last night
[09:18] <elfy> :)
[09:19] <elfy> when it's milestone testing times - give me a shout if you've got time issues and if I can do some when I've done ours I'm happy to help
[11:54] <zequence> working on ubiquity plugins. The plan is we start using other flavor -desktop packages, only perhaps overriding a few things, and also perhaps adding our own custom theme
[11:55] <zequence> Though, we should probably keep a custom DE, just for the hell of it
[12:14] <zequence> Cool. Working
[15:12] <zequence> OvenWerks: I had to remove the deletion of the XFCE session in the -default-settings postinstall script
[15:13] <zequence> OvenWerks: We can't remove files that belong to other packages
[15:14] <zequence> OvenWerks: I was able to add a package selection plugin for ubiquity, which is more or less straight imported from one of two Edubuntu plugins
[15:14] <zequence> OvenWerks: Next, I will work on the DE agnostic part. We'll still need a default DE, but the user will be able to install any of a set of DEs during install
[15:15] <zequence> OvenWerks: I applied for PPU (per package uploader) for our packages, but failed, much because of that postinstall script :P
[15:15] <zequence> Going through all our packages now, making sure they are in good shape.
[15:16] <zequence> Once there's a alpha version of -controls ready (maybe in one weeks time), I'll have that uploaded too
[15:16] <zequence> There will be a few changes this cycle, no doubt


[00:22] <darkxst> octoquad, it applies equally to any files in debian/
[00:23] <darkxst> and if you ever do any work on upstream code, same again
[00:30] <octoquad> ok
[00:31] <octoquad> can't build, seem to be missing: debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/autoreconf.mk: No such file or directory
[00:31] <octoquad> I have cdbs installed
[00:32] <octoquad> ok apt-file helped: dh-autoreconf was not installed
[00:36] <octoquad> is there a step missing between dch -i and debuild -S?
[00:37] <octoquad> dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/nautilus_3.10.1-0ubuntu9.5.diff.dBWFeS; dpkg-source: info: you can integrate the local changes with dpkg-source --commit
[00:50] <darkxst> octoquad, that means you somehow edited one of the upstream files
[00:50] <darkxst> you can run:
[00:50] <darkxst> dpkg-source --commit
[00:50] <darkxst> create a tmp.patch
[00:50] <darkxst> quilt pop -a
[00:51] <darkxst> check tmp.patch isnt anything important, then remove the file and the reference from series
[00:51] <darkxst> then try debuild -S again
[00:51] <darkxst> also maybe try quilt pop -a; debuild -S
[00:52] <darkxst> ^first
[00:54] <octoquad> did quilt pop -a; debuild -S same thing. If I look in the tmp file, it starts with a TODO: Put a short description...
[00:59] <octoquad> :q
[01:00] <octoquad> ok, the file changes are for aclocal.m4 and config.guess, configure and more. I don't think that's correct, is there a git checkout -f type command for this lol
[01:09] <octoquad> starting over
[01:40] <darkxst> octoquad, if you somehow run a real build in there that will happend, ie debuild without -S
[01:42] <octoquad> noted. It's building now (sbuild)
[01:43] <octoquad> just enabled apt-cacher for sbuild as well to speed things up
[01:47] <darkxst> octoquad, it should pick it up automatically, atleast it does if its running when you create the schroot
[01:49] <octoquad> apt-cacher is running on a remote server I setup for the company
[01:50] <octoquad> also does caching for debian as well as ubuntu
[01:53] <octoquad> lol, I just realised the bug occurs in 3.12.2-0ubuntu1~trusty3
[01:53] <octoquad> staging ppa
[01:57] <octoquad> but it's also present in 14.04 stock
[02:02] <octoquad> and the patch works on 14.04 stock. yay!
[02:02] <octoquad> How can I grab the 3.12.2-0ubuntu1~trusty3 one for staging ppa
[02:03] <octoquad> might as well get it over and done with
[03:26] <darkxst> octoquad find the link for dsc file via this page https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/+packages
[03:26] <darkxst> and use dget to download it.
[03:27] <darkxst> octoquad, oh in that case it would not be found automaticall, that only applies to localhost
[03:27] <darkxst> also btw gnome3-staging/trusty is essentiall end-of-life now, however if you prepare the fix I will upload
[03:28] <darkxst> you will also need to prepare a debdiff and SRU paperwork for the trusty package
[03:28] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[03:54] <octoquad> Pulled an all nighter lol
[03:54] <octoquad> will sort out the staging one quickly
[03:54] <octoquad> do I need to upload to my own ppa?
[04:17] <darkxst> octoquad, you can send me or Noskcaj a debdiff and we will upload it
[04:59] <darkxst> Noskcaj, odd, the ppa publisher seems stuck!
[04:59] <darkxst> (for your g-s-d upload)
[05:18] <darkxst> anyone feel like testings wayland sessions on vivid?
[05:18] <darkxst> they may work now, just need the session file from gnome-session, that we are not currently installed
[05:19] <darkxst> (best to test on intel hardware)
[07:58] <ricotz> Noskcaj, hi
[07:59] <ricotz> thanks for beginning with 3.15.x updates, although maybe wait for 3.15.4 hopefully this release will be more aligned
[08:00] <ricotz> e.g. be careful with g-s-d
[09:21] <Noskcaj> ricotz, I was just uploading a bunch of stuff before i have to leave for a fortnight. Mostly stuff depended on by other stuff
[13:36] <LinDol_> hi all
[13:36] <LinDol_> today was cold :-)
[15:54] <MrChrisDruif> Anyone here having issues when using fastboot?
[16:04] <MrChrisDruif> fastboot oem unlock keeps hanging, in case someone is wondering.
[16:31] <MrChrisDruif> fastboot oem unlock keeps hanging, in case someone is wondering.
[16:31] <MrChrisDruif> I did a factory reset, enabled adb etc and now it just worked =/
[16:32] <octoquad> MrChrisDruif, are you talking about Android?
[17:35] <MrChrisDruif> octoquad; YUP
[17:35] <MrChrisDruif> It was an Ubuntu GNOME question relating to fastboot but it was in conjuction with Android obviously
[17:37] <JDAIII> got a question. I'm trying to scale my second monitor. 2x2 but when I do, the mouse in constrained to the top left quadrant of the monitor. Anyone else experience this? The only references I find online say that it was a bug that was fixed
[17:38] <JDAIII> It's pretty frustrating since I have a 4k laptop with an external 1080 monitor and the 1080 monitor looks like a childrens toy in comparison of the resolution.
[17:52] <octoquad> MrChrisDruif, I see, for a second I thought you were asking in the wrong channel hehe
[17:52] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[17:53] <octoquad> MrChrisDruif, is it working now?
[17:53] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[17:53] <octoquad> nice
[18:00] <octoquad> JDAIII, did you file this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1408123
[18:01] <octoquad> Have you tried to use gnome-tweak-tool and changing the HiDPI Window Scaling option under "Windows" to see if you get a better result?
[18:59] <JDAIII> octoquad, yes I did. Not sure if it was the right direction to go, but felt like it.
[18:59] <JDAIII> and no, there is no setting in tweak that will change that. at least that I can find
[19:01] <JDAIII> I find a font scaling, but that isn't helpful to my issue
[19:04] <octoquad> JDAIII, checking....
[19:09] <octoquad> JDAIII, sorry about that, HiDPI setting was introduced in 14.10
[19:09] <JDAIII> Should I upgrade to 14.10? Will that resolve the issue?
[19:09] <octoquad> I can't guarantee it, but you can maybe try boot a livecd of 14.10 and see if it does fix it for you
[19:10] <octoquad> http://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-14-10-is-released/
[19:11] <JDAIII> Now, since 14.04 is a LTS, I'm assuming that the bug report will not just be closed. I used 14.10 in a VM, but it has library issues with a software that I use so it wasn't an option out of the box without significant anoyances, but I guess that I will have to figure something out
[19:11] <JDAIII> I will test as a live cd
[19:11] <octoquad> I hope it works for you :) Unfortunately, I don't have the hardware to test
[19:12] <octoquad> what library issue are you having with 14.10>
[19:12] <octoquad> ?
[19:13] <octoquad> yes, the bug report will not be closed until it has been fixed or trusty reaches EOL
[19:13] <JDAIII> I can't remember offhand, but it was upgraded to version 5 and my software requires version 4. It was a whole thing so I just went with 14.04 on my laptop
[19:14] <octoquad> well, I don't mind trying to help you with that as well
[19:16] <JDAIII> It would not be today, I have to start doing work today. But I would like to figure out the mouse constraint, or even better, figure out how to get my video card drivers installed without screwing everything up. I've had a hell of a time with the nvidia drivers on here
[19:18] <octoquad> interesting, have a look here and see if any of these bug reports affect you for nvidia
[19:18] <octoquad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331
[19:18] <octoquad> do you get a black screen when booting a nvidia driver?
[19:20] <octoquad> you can also try the bumblebee project for nvidia, it seems to work a bit better for me on Gnome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation
[19:21] <JDAIII> I have a few things that happen, one sec
[19:22] <JDAIII> When I download the NVIDIA*.run file from the nvidia website, I switch to runlevel2, stop gdm, install the driver, reboot and get a black screen. I uninstall and the black screen stays there. Had to reformat.
[19:23] <JDAIII> 2. I use the nvidia-343 off some ppa that I found and it sets the resolution wonky, and restricts my mouse not to work on second monitor after moving the top and bottom gnome taskbars to the second monitor so I can do nothing but uninstall from a lower runlevel
[19:24] <JDAIII> 3. I tried optimus and it did abolutely nothing for me whatsoever. Saw no differences.
[19:24] <Nrober> Hey, there is some bug with gnome-shell when using rhytmbox on 14.10, processor usage jump up to 100 when using this app :(
[19:24] <octoquad> And what about the official package from the repository?
[19:24] <JDAIII> 4. Haven't tried bumblebee yet due to wanting to use a plastic spork from KFC to kill myself after previous expereinces with drivers
[19:24] <octoquad> JDAIII, lol
[19:25] <JDAIII> official package? for the nvidia-343?
[19:25] <octoquad> Nrober, Hi. I'll check for you now.
[19:25] <octoquad> well what ever is in the 14.04 repos when you do apt-get install nvidia
[19:25] <octoquad> sorry I don't know what the full package name
[19:27] <JDAIII> I couldn't find anything in the official repos for my nvidia card so I used the ppa xorg-edgers and the package is called nvidia-343
[19:27] <JDAIII> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/xorg-edgers/utopic/main/base/nvidia-343
[19:27] <octoquad> yeah should be ok then
[19:28] <octoquad> hmm, have you tried booting an older kernel and trying to install the driver
[19:28] <octoquad> ?
[19:28] <JDAIII> no I have not. I wanted to get other people's input as I'm relatively new to linux
[19:28] <octoquad> Nrober, are you using stock 14.10 or 14.10 and our staging ppa
[19:28] <octoquad> ?
[19:28] <JDAIII> only been using it a few months and haven't played with kernels much
[19:29] <Nrober> octoquad : I'm using clean 14.10 but bug only occurs when I'm playing some music, not just rhytmbox in background, and m4a file. I will check with some other
[19:31] <Nrober> octoquad : for diffrent file type same
[19:31] <octoquad> JDAIII, when you boot up, under the first entry, you can select that and choose an older kernel
[19:35] <JDAIII> yea, I just don't play around with it if I don't have to. I am going to try rebooting in a few minutes to 14.10 to see if the constriction issue is there for scaling.
[19:36] <JDAIII> So I'll be offline, but I appreciate the help and I will return shortly. (hopefully)
[19:36] <JDAIII> and my spork has been confiscated by office authorities. no suicide today
[19:40] <octoquad> Nrober, is gnome-shell or rhythmbox cpu usage high?
[19:41] <pkulas_> octoquad : Sorry, network disconected for few minuts
[19:41] <octoquad> no problem
[19:41] <pkulas_> octoquad : Nrober here.
[19:42] <octoquad> pkulas_, , is gnome-shell or rhythmbox cpu usage high?
[19:42] <pkulas_> octoquad: gnome shell
[19:43] <pkulas_> and usage raises when i use mouse cursor or use some gnome-shell interface
[19:44] <octoquad> Can you try this: press ALT+F2 then type r then enter
[19:45] <pkulas_> gnome-shell restart but no changes
[19:45] <octoquad> ok, process of elimination
[19:46] <octoquad> For me, gnome-shell CPU usage spikes to 67% when Rhythmbox is running, nothing more
[19:47] <octoquad> What CPU processor do you have?
[19:47] <pkulas_> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4000M CPU @ 2.40GHz
[19:49] <pkulas_> If music is not playing and intensive use of gnome-shell it spikes to 16%
[19:50] <octoquad> well, I can tell you that it is using 100% of a core the other is ok, if it was showing 200% then it would be utilizing all of your CPU usage. So at the moment it's only using 50%.
[19:51] <octoquad> but still, that's hogging
[19:51] <octoquad> and do you get the same result when you something else like Banshee or Clementine?
[19:52] <pkulas_> I will check with Clementine
[19:52] <octoquad> I get slightly less CPU usage when playing an mp3 (~10%)
[19:53] <octoquad> It might actually be a bug in Rhythmbox...let me check if someone has reported it
[19:53] <pkulas_> octoquad : It can raises over 150% when using rhytmbox, just right before I had a problem to stop it
[19:54] <pkulas_> Clementine is working fine
[19:56] <octoquad> ok, so that rules out gstreamer plugins then
[19:59] <octoquad> pkulas_, can you confirm if the cpu usage drops when you make the rhythmbox window smaller
[20:00] <pkulas_> Yeah, when window is smaller usage is way lower and on rhytmbox on full resolution is highest
[20:00] <octoquad> interesting..
[20:01] <octoquad> What graphics card are you using
[20:01] <pkulas_> but spikes up to 50 anyway
[20:01] <pkulas_> intel hd 4400
[20:02] <octoquad> OK, I'm testing in a VM
[20:04] <octoquad> currently testing 15.04 to see if it is there as well
[20:04] <Joshun> hi
[20:04] <octoquad> hi Joshun
[20:04] <Joshun> the file search doesn't seem to be working proplery from the activities dash, is there any way to fix this?
[20:05] <octoquad> Joshun, what is it doing?
[20:05] <octoquad> and which version of Ubuntu Gnome?
[20:05] <Joshun> great work with ubuntu gnome btw, on the whole it is great. searching for a file in my home dir doesn't appear with the file
[20:05] <Joshun> 14.10
[20:06] <Joshun> under search preferences, "Files" has been set to "On"
[20:07] <darkxst> octoquad, hi, you debdiff looks good, however the sru paperwork, needs to go at the very top in original bug report
[20:07] <Joshun> maybe it fails to search recursively
[20:07] <darkxst> also you seem to have misunderstood the regression potential, it about possible issues that this fix might cause
[20:08] <octoquad> darkxst, I don't think there would be any, but those were the only ones I could think of with the patch
[20:08] <octoquad> darkxst, I didn't want to say none
[20:09] <octoquad> Joshun, perhaps, It can find a file in the root of my home directory but not in music
[20:10] <darkxst> well I wouldnt say any of those either there is no technical reason any of those would occur
[20:11] <octoquad> darkxst, so just none then?
[20:13] <Joshun> octoquad yes, it seems this is the case, this ask ubuntu thread[1] seems to have the same issue. not sure if it is a setting or a bug
[20:13] <Joshun> [1]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/496206/tracker-recursive-indexing-fails
[20:14] <octoquad> darkxst, is it possible for tracker to mine the entire home directory? I'm sure it does, but the activities search doesn't bring up a file. Perhaps it's limited to certain mimetypes or filetypes?
[20:14] <darkxst> octoquad, no, not none
[20:15] <Joshun> what is the backend for the file search?
[20:16] <Joshun> is it just tracker?
[20:16] <octoquad> tracker-miner-fs
[20:17] <darkxst> something like "Low, this patch just fixes incorrect handling of owner field, it shouldnt introduce any issues and has been well tested in 3.14"
[20:17] <Joshun> the weird thing is, in tracker preferences each of the folders are set to recurse
[20:18] <Joshun> would it be a good idea for me to file a bug report in tracker-miner-fs ?
[20:18] <darkxst> the search in the shell is provided by nautilus (which uses tracker to get the results)
[20:18] <darkxst> Joshun, test with desktop-file-search, that uses tracker directly
[20:18] <Joshun> is that a command?
[20:19] <darkxst> yes
[20:19] <Joshun> doesn't seem to be installed :(
[20:19] <Joshun> is it in desktop-file-utils?
[20:19] <octoquad> doesn't exist darkxst in 14.10
[20:20] <darkxst> sorry probably wrong name, its part of tracker
[20:20] <Joshun> why does nautilus try to do everything
[20:20] <octoquad> tracker-search
[20:20] <Joshun> I mean, it already handles the desktop
[20:20] <darkxst> tracker-needle
[20:21] <darkxst> nautilus doesnt handle the desktop in gnome-shell (well not by default)
[20:21] <Joshun> oh
[20:21] <Joshun> well yes of course, its disabled by default
[20:21] <Joshun> tracker-search works as expected
[20:22] <darkxst> and it makes sense for gnome-shell to call the file manager search provider for file search
[20:23] <Joshun> tracker-needle also works fine
[20:23] <darkxst> Joshun, so its probably a bug in nautilus
[20:23] <octoquad> pkulas_, rhythmbox works fine vivid! :) So a fix has been released for it then I'm assuming
[20:23] <octoquad> *fine in vivid
[20:23] <Joshun> darkxst - the nautilus file search works ok though
[20:24] <Joshun> or is it a problem with the provider
[20:24] <darkxst> nautilus search is patched in ubuntu
[20:25] <darkxst> but yes its probably an issue with the provider
[20:25] <pkulas_> octoquad : nice, then I will just use Clementine and switch to 15.04 when will be out
[20:26] <octoquad> pkulas_, 23 April
[20:26] <Joshun> I will file a bug in nautilus then, should it be filed in gnome-shell aswell or just nautilus darkxst ?
[20:26] <octoquad> pkulas_, you can also try our staging ppa, this has some updates that never made it into 14.10 before final release and test.
[20:27] <darkxst> gnome-shell is fine
[20:27] <darkxst> I don't think anything else uses the nautilus search provider anyway
[20:29] <octoquad> darkxst, http://pastebin.com/09wx0fgR
[20:30] <octoquad> for nautilus staging ppa
[20:30] <pkulas_> octoquad : is it fine for to use staging ppa? I want to use this system up to April without any new annoying bugs :)
[20:30] <darkxst> octoquad, you need to add the ppa to sbuild for it to work
[20:30] <darkxst> and that is not straight forward
[20:31] <octoquad> pkulas_, yes it's fine, you can always use ppa-purge to remove it if anything goes wrong
[20:32] <octoquad> darkxst, I'm up for the challenge :)
[20:33] <darkxst> octoquad, I had to locally patch some files, and its quite hacky but I will send them to you.
[20:33] <octoquad> Joshun, this problem is not present in 15.04 though
[20:34] <Joshun> oh ok, so it is fixed upstream
[20:34] <octoquad> Joshun, I suppose, since it works :)
[20:36] <octoquad> I have to say, 15.04 is looking and working beautifully!
[20:36] <octoquad> I think Ali was right about the rolling release thing
[20:38] <darkxst> octoquad, put http://pastebin.com/B2NvfaFX into /etc/schroot/setup.d/90apt-sources
[20:39] <darkxst> then you need to alias' in the config files in /etc/schroot/chroot.d
[20:39] <darkxst> like: vivid-proposed+gnome3staging-amd64-sbuild
[20:41] <octoquad> ok, I already have 90apt-sources but without sh, should I just replace?
[20:42] <darkxst> yes replace it
[20:43] <octoquad> I really need to setup a dotfiles repo
[20:51] <pkulas> octoquad : Yeah after gnome upgrade to 3.14 rhythmbox no longer bug cpu usage
[20:52] <octoquad> pkulas, glad to hear that :)
[21:09] <octoquad> darkxst, I get: E: 90apt-sources: E: Failed to execute “90apt-sources”: No such file or directory but its there
[21:11] <darkxst> octoquad, did you make it executable?
[21:11] <octoquad> darkxst, yes, exactly the same as the rest of the files in there
[21:12] <octoquad> brb
[21:12] <darkxst> maybe the script got messed up somehow
[21:13] <darkxst> formatting again?
[21:15] <darkxst> octoquad, maybe try http://pastebin.com/9DV9FXrJ
[21:29] <octoquad> darkxst, no no, I downloaded it a moved it. Learnt my lesson last night
[21:29] <octoquad> darkxst, paste has been removed
[21:33] <darkxst> octoquad, semm to be having issues with pastebinit here, try http://pastebin.com/SX4aqxjN
[21:33] <octoquad> got it
[21:34] <octoquad> ok, it's building no
[21:34] <octoquad> now
[21:38] <octoquad> darkxst, same build failure
[21:38] <darkxst> octoquad, you used the new alias you created with sbuild?
[21:39] <octoquad> I added the vivid-proposed+gnome3staging-amd64-sbuild to /etc/schroot/chroot.d/trusty-amd64-sbuild
[21:39] <octoquad> *I added the alias...
[21:39] <darkxst> it should be  trusty-proposed+gnome3staging-amd64-sbuild
[21:39] <darkxst> for a trusty chroot
[21:39] <octoquad> *smacks forehead
[21:39] <octoquad> of course
[21:39] <darkxst> and you need to use that alias when running sbuild
[21:40] <darkxst> i.e for the -c option
[21:44] <octoquad> sbuild --dist=trusty --arch=amd64 -c trusty-proposed+gnome3staging-amd64-sbuild seems to work
[21:44] <octoquad> grabbing packages at the m
[21:44] <octoquad> moment
[21:47] <octoquad> so, I can easily switch between ppa and normal repos with the -c option and that will chroot with the right packages and essentially "start fresh"?
[21:47] <darkxst> yes
[21:47] <octoquad> ama-zing
[21:51] <octoquad>  just signed up to stack exchange to help out with any questions regarding Ubuntu / Ubuntu Gnome. Had no points to up-vote a gpg issue I had earlier.
[21:57] <octoquad> success!
[21:57] <octoquad> ll
[22:02] <octoquad> darkxst, so I how do I get this to you or to the staging ppa
[22:02] <octoquad> ?
[22:02] <darkxst> paste a debdiff
[22:02] <octoquad> ok, just want to test quickly
[22:15] <octoquad> darkxst, the package name, does it matter if it is now 3.12.2-0ubuntu1~trusty3ubuntu1 from 3.12.2-0ubuntu1~trusty3?
[22:15] <octoquad> shouldn't the ~trusty part be ~trusty4?
[22:16] <darkxst> octoquad, yes change it manually
[22:16] <darkxst> or use `dch -ltrusty`
[22:16] <darkxst> or use `dch -l~trusty` actually I think
[22:17] <octoquad> oh I see, in the changelog
[22:17] <octoquad> :q
[22:18] <octoquad> sorry, I keep typing the vim quit command here lol
[22:46] <octoquad> darkxst, http://pastebin.com/wxmK5qGk
[23:20] <darkxst> octoquad, thanks uploadeded
[23:21] <octoquad> that was fun :)
[23:30] <darkxst> octoquad, it will be much quicker for you next time
[23:30] <octoquad> yeah, most of the time was setting up the tools and learning...
[23:33] <octoquad> we need to update this page: http://ubuntugnome.org/screenshots/
[23:42] <JDAIII> octoquad, are you still online?
[23:42] <octoquad> JDAIII, yes, how did it go?
[23:43] <JDAIII> I upgraded to 14.10 and when I run the xrandr scal command, I still have mouse constraint. I'm using xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto --scale 2x2 --right-of eDP1
[23:43] <JDAIII> however, now the mouse arrow is gigantic.
[23:43] <JDAIII> that didn't happen before
[23:45] <JDAIII> I have not yet tried installing the nvidia drivers, but I can try that next
[23:45] <JDAIII> figured that I would test the bug first and I still see it
[23:47] <octoquad> JDAIII, please update your bug report with your findings: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1408123
[23:48] <octoquad> darkxst, do you have any suggestions for JDAIII? My knowledge of xrandr is non-existent.
[23:48] <octoquad> JDAIII, please also list hardware that you have with lspci -vvv and attach to bug report
[23:48] <octoquad> in a text file
[23:49] <JDAIII> ok
[23:49] <octoquad> thanks :)
[23:51] <JDAIII> uploaded.
[23:54] <octoquad> JDAIII, have you tried the HiDPI setting in gnome tweak tool? Reset everything and try with the HiDPI option and let me know
[23:56] <darkxst> JDAIII, HiDPi support in trusty was not entirely complete I believe
[23:59] <JDAIII> that has screwed up my monitor and I have no way of getting it back.
[23:59] <JDAIII> I can't even see what I am typing in here


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[00:18] <mwillc> with the new deb822-style repo definitions, is it expected that apt will support an rpm distro style option such as apt --enable-repo=my_normally_disabled_repo?
[00:21] <oerheks> apt gives --allow-unauthenticated
[00:22] <oerheks> or deb [trusted=yes] http://www something
[00:23] <oerheks> then again; what is the reason for disabling a repo...
[00:25] <mwillc> on rpm based distros, i will have a prod, test, and staging repo, that contain the same pkgs, but at different points in time, where staging is sync'd with upstream, test is a snapshot of staging at some point in time.  Both would be disabled by default, so that apt/dnf/yum update would ignore these repos, unless yum/dnf --enablerepo=staging/test was used on the cmdline
[00:26] <oerheks> we do have proposed,
[00:26] <mwillc> in my experience it provides more flexibility.  the same can be done on ubuntu, but I'd have to sed comment out repo defs, update, etc...
[00:27] <mwillc> now that deb822 style looks to be the future, i'd find it convenient to not have to hack my repo files
[00:27] <mwillc> and instead rely on an option like enablerepo=* or disablerepo=* much like yum/dnf
[00:28] <oerheks> apt now directs private  repositories to the r /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder to avoid clutter
[00:29] <oerheks> neat and clean, i say
[00:32] <mwillc> i agree. with deb822 repo.sources files they have a Enabled: yes parameter.  Maybe this exists already on U20, i'll have to rtfm, but if not and for my purposes it would be nice to have staging.sources with Enabled: no, available if I did apt update --enablerepo=staging, rather than edit this file myself
[00:36] <mwillc> in my examples above, i should have said for example "apt upgrade --enablerepo=test sudo" NOT apt update, i apologize for confusing the 2
[02:22] <unixbsd> hi guys,
[02:22] <unixbsd> bug fix... on dhewm3:   /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf2) [0x7f88eea38cb2]  Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:22] <unixbsd> this comes from the base.so
[02:23] <unixbsd>  apt-get install -y    dhewm3-doom3  dhewm3  will have a big issue with : ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dhewm3/base.so
[02:23] <unixbsd> please recompile from source the package to have a correct base.so ! thank you.
[02:25] <oerheks> !info dhewm3
[02:26] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhewm3 -- focal's dhewm3 was rebuilt a few days before focal was released
[02:26] <sarnold> it'll probably take more than a rebuild to fix whatever is broken
[02:27] <sarnold> you could run ubuntu-bug dhewm3  and fill out the bug report, that'll give you and whoever else is interested in fixing it a place to communicate
[02:28] <oerheks> https://github.com/dhewm/dhewm3/releases/tag/1.5.0 .. 1.5.1 is in RC
[03:44] <chev> Test
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> it works chev
[04:08] <SneakyNick> question. You know the trick for stop crying, to pinch yourself. What is the rough scientific explanation for it? Does it have a term, a lingo? Anyone here familiar with a physiological/biological explanation for it?
[04:09] <genii> This does not seem like strictly an Ubuntu support question
[04:19] <SneakyNick> I realize this chan got a state purpose, but not that everything besides it is strictly banned. It's interesting and general.
[04:19] <SneakyNick> *stated
[04:20] <SneakyNick> Not arguing btw, merely saying I thought OT is okay to some extent. That its not ehehe binary.
[04:21] <Bashing-om> !ubuntu-offtopic | SneakyNick However - there is for this:
[04:22] <SneakyNick> !ubuntu-offtopic
[04:45] <tycel> hey there, Ubuntu isn't detecting my 2nd monitor
[04:45] <tycel> I'm trying to figure out how to get it to do so.
[04:48] <hmir_> my ALT key is dead. Is there another shortcut for cTRL+ALT+F1 to get to the virtual console?
[04:53] <Newt> tycel https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/display-dual-monitors.html
[04:53] <Newt> hmir you cant just remap the keys?
[04:55] <tycel> Hi there, so I realized something weird. I disconnected my 2nd monitor and linux isn't detecting my laptop monitor
[04:55] <tycel> is there a way to force nvidia to rewrite a xorg file?
[04:55] <tycel> I'm assuming so
[05:00] <Bashing-om> tycel: There used to be ' sudo nvidia-xconfig ' - but I have not seen the use in years.
[05:00] <tycel> ok
[05:00] <tycel> Yeah, I rebooted the computer without my 2nd monitor
[05:00] <tycel> and linux just..ignored it.
[05:00] <tycel> Never seen that before.
[05:01] <tycel> brb, going to try that; it wrote a new one.
[05:05] <tycel> That didn't work.
[05:05]  * tycel sighs
[05:05]  * tycel loves the bootspeeds from SSDs though
[05:06] <tycel> So, I don't know what the problem is
[05:14] <Bashing-om> tyteen4a03: Mind ya I do not have any dual monitor experience - I can try and muddle with you - does "xrandr" see the 2nd display: xrandr --listproviders .
[05:25] <Newt> tycel have you tried rebootong lightdm?
[05:25] <Newt> wait thats debian
[06:20] <tycel> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/r5NJmgJMpK/
[06:20] <tycel> I cant even tell if Ubuntu is recognizing my laptop's main display.
[06:27] <Nitrousoxide> I'm trying to make SSHD start when my system boots but it doesn't seem to work. I've tried `sudo systemctl enable sshd`.
[06:37] <tycel> So, I don't think my system is finding the actual laptop monitor. Even when unplugging the current one. Just stays black.
[06:38] <tycel> When I reboot it unplugged, it shows up until the GUI appears.. the just blacks out and waits for me to connect my current monitor.
[06:38] <tycel> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/r5NJmgJMpK/ is my lspci list.
[06:55] <Swift110-mobile> sup
[07:02] <Newt> im booting from a presistant usb, why does it take a wail to launch apps? some times they dont even launch
[07:12] <tscopp> run one from the terminal and see what it says when it gets stuck
[07:26] <Newt> im trying to launch the software center and it does not launch
[07:26] <Newt> when i run from terminal its comes back [software-center not found]
[07:27] <tscopp> What kind of persistent USB is this?
[07:35] <Newt> i made it in rufus. actually when i first did it i noticed that even though it still asked me to install it would save all my data so i just turned off the "please install" window
[07:35] <Newt> so im not sure what you would call that
[07:36] <tscopp> hm, fraid I'm not sure what rufus is. is this a bootable ubuntu USB you tried to make?
[07:36] <Newt> yeash
[07:37] <Newt> https://rufus.ie/
[07:37] <Newt> this is rufus iv used it for a wail i like it more than unetbootin for what ever reason
[07:37] <tscopp> ah, I've only ever used unetbootin
[07:38] <Newt> it does much the same thing
[07:38] <Newt> let me reboot and see if i can put a bandaid on this problem
[07:39] <tscopp> I'd try making a new stick if it were me
[07:39] <Newt> i just spent allday makeing this one exactly how i want it, i want to avoid that if i can
[09:08] <unixbsd> I installed xserver-xorg only and clang. I compiled my X. If I install whatever involves X, it will install the whole UBUNTU suitee, e.g. bluetooth, ubuntu wallpapers, login man...
[09:08] <unixbsd> Is that possible that that crap goes out from most packages?
[09:08] <unixbsd> (note: I installed the minimal system with debootstrap first).
[09:09] <ThinkT510> why did you compile your own X?
[09:09] <unixbsd> I could have.
[09:09] <unixbsd> I have compiled my own kernel and modules.
[09:09] <unixbsd> Your packages are very dirty.
[09:10] <ThinkT510> Please don't assume they are my packages
[09:45] <CsC1984Sp> Hello everyone
[09:45] <CsC1984Sp> I'm new here in this channel
[09:46] <CsC1984Sp> I come here to see if someone could help me
[09:46] <CsC1984Sp> Is there any one?
[09:49] <CsC1984Sp> I have a trouble with my internet config. I can just connect to https, not http, so apt doesn't work
[09:49] <CsC1984Sp> any help?
[09:49] <CsC1984Sp> I've tried ping over <IP_ADDRESS> and it works. I also checked ufw and it's ok
[09:49] <CsC1984Sp> any idea?
[10:14] <nikolam> Linux with Firefox on it is in really sad state today.. I am thinking of dropping Linux for desktop.. Every time Firefox fills up the RAM (I suppose because of Linux memory overcommit), whole desktop freezes and system goes to swapping and goes to a near halt.
[10:15] <nikolam> it doesn't matter if it is 4G, 8G, 12G, 16G of RAM, it happens when RAM if filled with Firefox processes.
[10:16] <nikolam> Shouldnt an OS in 2021 be able to handle misbehaving apps against freezing of the rest of the desktop and rest of the user UI?
[10:19] <mat_cz> I managed to lunch startx as root, but as user I still got : waiting for X server to shutdown (II) Server terminated succesfully (0). Closing log file.ializing kms color map for depth 24, 8 bpc.xinit: connection to X server lost
[10:19] <mat_cz> but Xorg.log.0 dont have any (ee)
[10:22] <mat_cz> for what mistake should i look for?
[10:50] <nikolam> mat_cz, maybe using ubuntu-bug to create and send bug report?
[11:59] <abhijit> Hi All. can I sign multiple kernerls with same key? I created a key at installation time but now at each new kernel upgrade it ask me to sign manually.
[12:09] <abhijit> anyone can read me?
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> abhijit  yes
[12:10] <abhijit> ok.
[13:15] <finish> всем привет
[13:15] <finish> Не могу найти канал #ubuntu-ru
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> !ru | finish
[13:19] <AmigoRed> hy guys
[13:19] <AmigoRed> wow
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:20] <AmigoRed> hmmm
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you AmigoRed
[13:35] <blb4393> 20.04.02 comes with 5.8 kernel but this kernel is eol. Will ubu backport patches nevertheless?
[13:38] <jeremy31> blb4393: That kernel is supported by Ubuntu until August, by then it should update to the supported kernel from 21.04
[13:42] <blb4393> ah, this is how it works. good to know
[14:01] <Surkow|laptop> Hello, I've been trying to dump a DVD with PDFs (store bought) to ISO with the disks utility (both ubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu 20.04). It complains about errors while reading the data. In one computer the same DVD gives a few MB of unreadable data, in another it fails to read hundreds of megabytes. The disc itself is new and unused. The resulting image is mountable/readable, but some data zeroed out. Are there any alternative progr
[14:01] <Surkow|laptop> ams that do multiple reads like with CD dumping programs to make sure the data is 100% correct?
[14:04] <Surkow|laptop> Sadly enough most of the results on the internet are about dumping movie DVDs with protection on them. All involving VLC in some way. For me I only require the data to be read from an unprotected disc.
[14:31] <TJ-> Surkow|laptop: have you done the simple thing first, and run a a head-cleaner in the DVD drives to clean the lens?
[14:31] <TJ-> Surkow|laptop: the lens is upward facing and easily collects humidity and dust
[14:32] <Surkow|laptop> One laptop has a slot loading drive, so it's not possibe with that. For the other I cleaned both the disc and the entire tray with a can of pressured air.
[14:32] <Surkow|laptop> hopefully that was sufficient to rule out any dust issues.
[14:33] <TJ-> Surkow|laptop: in my experience running disk duplicators it isn't
[14:33] <Surkow|laptop> I do have a head cleaner disc somewhere in my collection - but it's been 20 years since I last had to use one. It'll be hard to locate it. ;)
[14:33] <Surkow|laptop> it has bristles on the disc
[14:34] <Surkow|laptop> oh well
[14:36] <TJ-> I get serious usually and use a cleaning bud with IPA on it :)
[14:36] <Surkow|laptop> I do have that, but wouldn't that affect the the disc itself? or do you mean the lens itself?
[14:37] <Surkow|laptop> I'll probably just use a micro fiber cloth to clean the disc later today.
[14:37] <Surkow|laptop> and simply retry
[14:37] <TJ-> the lens - I take the drives out - usually is much longer lasting than those little brush head cleaners
[14:37] <Surkow|laptop> ah, it's odd though that disc drives don't give a peep if the data they read is faulty
[14:37] <TJ-> but for you need, head cleaners run repeatedly might help
[14:37] <Surkow|laptop> I expected that data integrity on dvds would actually be a thing...
[14:38] <Surkow|laptop> I might use IPA on my disc drive lens when I have time to take apart both of my laptops.
[14:39] <Surkow|laptop> I figured there'd be a way to simply reread the data with dd_rescue for example. But perhaps it is indeed hardware related.
[14:48] <swensson> Sooo. I'm using Oracle's virtualbox and just ran seamless mode, trying to get the menu back... Any ideás?
[14:49] <swensson> Seems to be Right CTRL, my bad.....
[15:30] <tycel> Hey there, would know why Ubuntu isn't finding my laptop's actual monitor?
[15:30] <tycel> I can only load up my 2nd monitor.
[15:30] <tycel> Even after rebooting, when the GUI comes up the laptop monitor just turns itself off and waits for this one to be connected.
[15:30] <tycel> I cannot tell with lspci if it's working either
[15:31] <tycel> [09:27:02] [~/Desktop] ❱❱❱ xrandr -q
[15:31] <tycel> Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 32767 x 32767
[15:31] <tycel> HDMI-0 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 708mm x 398mm
[15:31] <tycel>    1920x1080     60.00*+  59.94    50.00    29.97    23.98    60.00    50.04
[15:31] <tycel>    4096x2160     24.00
[15:31] <tycel>    3840x2160     29.97    25.00    23.98
[15:32] <Sayantan> I had installed ubuntu 20.04 but it wont load into gui and a black screen would appear stating:
[15:32] <Sayantan> skl_dsp_hda_generic skl_dsp_hda_generic: Acpi error: failed to init link iDisp1 -517
[15:32] <Sayantan> P.S. : I have Nvidia MX350 graphics card and I tried using nomodset kernel parameter
[15:53] <tycel> Hey there, would know why Ubuntu isn't finding my laptop's actual monitor?
[15:53] <tycel> I can only load up my 2nd monitor.
[15:53] <tycel> Even after rebooting, when the GUI comes up the laptop monitor just turns itself off and waits for this one to be connected.
[15:53] <tycel> I cannot tell with lspci if it's working either
[15:53] <tycel> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Syzp8QTcp4/  is my xrandy
[15:53] <tycel> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DkyBvR3bJJ/ is my lspci
[15:54] <kyonsalt> tycel, look at your keyboard
[15:55] <tycel> ok
[15:55] <tycel> Why
[15:55] <kyonsalt> tycel, fn+ LCD/Screen key.
[15:56] <tycel> Nothing
[15:57] <tycel> cause I'm assuming that'd be F9
[15:57] <kyonsalt> tycel, Fn+F1 or else.
[15:59] <tycel> Negative.
[16:00] <tycel> let me see my key layout
[16:03] <tycel> seems my fn key isn't bount; but it is working for some things.
[16:04] <sybariten> hey
[16:05] <sybariten> i'm on an ancient version of ubuntu, 14.04 .....   dont have time at the moment ot upgrade. Is it "dangerous" to try to install Python 3.6 ?
[16:05] <tycel> kyonsalt, fixed that.. but it's still not detecting.
[16:06] <kyonsalt> tycel, and try #xrandr --auto
[16:08] <tycel> no changes.
[16:08]  * tycel sighs
[16:09] <tycel> still outputs the same
[16:09] <tycel> it's like my laptop monitor itself isn't even connected.
[16:09] <tycel> but, if I booted into windows; it'd work perfectly fine.
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> sybariten: 14.04 is eol
[16:09] <sybariten> lotuspsychje: what does that mean in this context?
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> sybariten: means the volunteers here, cannot support eol versions anymore
[16:10] <kk4ewt> no support, no updates etc
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> sybariten: adviced to pick a supported version from the topic, and install fresh
[16:11] <tycel> sybariten, I'd probably assaume that 3.6 version of python would break things.
[16:11] <kyonsalt> tycel, xrandr --output Screen-0 --auto, after reboot needed by your laptop.
[16:12] <tycel> ok
[16:12] <tycel> warning: output Screen-0 not found; ignoring
[16:12] <tycel> lol
[16:12] <tycel> I'll reboot though
[16:12] <tycel> see if it helped.
[16:12] <tycel> oh wait
[16:12] <tycel> nvm
[16:21] <sybariten> lotuspsychje: actually i didn't even know there was such a concept as volounteers here
[16:23] <tycel> kyonsalt, marginal improvement. It now loads the GDM on that monitor properly, but as soon as I login.
[16:24] <tycel> it goes black and waits for this screen to be detected.
[16:24] <tycel> xrandr still does not show two monitors
[16:24] <tycel> [10:24:29] [~] ❱❱❱ xrandr --listmonitors
[16:24] <tycel> Monitors: 1
[16:24] <tycel>  0: +*HDMI-0 1920/708x1080/398+0+0  HDMI-0
[16:27] <leftyfb> !paste | tycel
[16:27] <tycel> seems like a waste for 3 lines, but sure.
[16:32] <kyonsalt> tycel, typical dual view. type Fn+Fx again, and dmesg or xrandr -q
[16:37] <tycel> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ktbsVVFvHD/
[16:37] <tycel> that's my entire dmesg
[16:38] <tycel> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/jCXTdPXRhY/ xrandr -q
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | sybariten feel free to
[16:52] <kyonsalt> tycel, ok, hp laptop should be Fn+F4, and you must check your bios config about graphic device being: Switchable Graphics.
[16:53] <basenode> how can i disable the workspace sidebar?
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> basenode: try dconf-editor to tweak things around
[16:56] <basenode> lotuspsychje: do you know which setting its under?
[16:56] <basenode> can't seem to find it using the search function
[16:57] <kyonsalt> tycel, and more, check you can run: nvidia-prime
[16:59] <kyonsalt> tycel, last, add "blacklist nouveau" to modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> basenode: if you dont find it there, maybe try the workspaces to dock extension from the repos, might have a hide option
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell-extension-workspaces-to-dock | basenode
[17:00] <basenode> lotuspsychje: thanks, trying it now
[17:01] <LordCyrus> hey guys how do I install OpenVAS on ubuntu properly? Anybody?
[17:01] <leftyfb> LordCyrus: have you tried https://websiteforstudents.com/how-to-install-and-configure-openvas-on-ubuntu-18-04-16-04/ ?
[17:05] <LordCyrus> yes leftyfb
[17:05] <LordCyrus> the repository is out of date
[17:05] <LordCyrus> they have discontinued the servers that're included in it
[17:05] <LordCyrus> I'm thinking I have to go to https://community.greenbone.net/t/gvm-20-08-stable-initial-release-2020-08-12/6312 and compile the code and stuff
[17:06] <LordCyrus> but I'm a newb so ... Was just looking for some help
[17:06] <tycel> I'm starting to think the only way this will work is if I just reinstall Ubuntu
[17:08] <kyonsalt> tycel, no, just choose recovery mode at GDM.
[17:08] <tycel> ok
[17:09] <tycel> I don't see a recovery mode in gdm
[17:09] <tycel> when I login
[17:09] <tycel> do you mean at grub?
[17:10] <kyonsalt> tycel, i915 bug should b fixed at kernel 5.x, like driver conflict.
[17:10] <kyonsalt> tycel, yes, grub.
[17:11] <kyonsalt> tycel, or choose another kernel version at grub.
[17:11] <basenode> lotuspsychje: workspaces-to-dock worked, thanks!
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> basenode: its a great tool isnt it :p
[17:12] <tycel> nvidia-prime isn't installed I think
[17:13] <tycel> well, it's installed.
[17:13] <tycel> but i cannot access it?
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> tycel: to use prime, open nvidia-settings
[17:14] <tycel> ok
[17:14] <tycel> well, i'll brb
[17:21] <metbsd> my wifi applet cannot control network
[17:21] <metbsd> and i do have network
[17:21] <metbsd> looks like the /etc/network/interface is talking over
[17:22] <TJ-> metbsd: we've not used ifupdown as default for network management for a long time; what release is that? Desktop uses NetworkManager, -server uses systemd-networkd - both provisioned using netplan.io YAML
[17:23] <metbsd> i upgrade from 18 to 20
[17:23] <metbsd> lts
[17:24] <TJ-> metbsd: NetworkManager has config to ignore interfaces managed by ifupdown, unless that has been over-ridden
[17:24] <metbsd> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rXjWjvpC3q/
[17:24] <metbsd> you mean init.d/network-manager?
[17:25] <metbsd> how do i install NetworkManager
[17:25] <TJ-> metbsd: is that desktop install?
[17:25] <TJ-> metbsd: you can see in your log extract NetworkManager is running
[17:25] <metbsd> server install
[17:26] <Maik> i thought he'd be running 20.04 by now
[17:26] <metbsd> and then i use tasksel to choose xfce
[17:26] <metbsd> it is 20.04
[17:26] <TJ-> metbsd: so it's intended to be a desktop system?
[17:26] <metbsd> how do i turn off command line network manager
[17:26] <metbsd> yes desktop system
[17:26] <TJ-> metbsd: your problem is "sup-iface[0x5588a072d120,wlp6s0]: error adding interface: wpa_supplicant couldn't grab this interface."
[17:27] <TJ-> metbsd: I suspect you may have the stand-alone wpa_supplicant service also active
[17:27] <metbsd> but i'm using wifi right now
[17:27] <metbsd> so what should i do
[17:27] <leftyfb> metbsd: didn't you just ask yesterday how to remove xfce?
[17:27] <metbsd> yes that's another pc
[17:27] <metbsd> this pc needs xfce
[17:27] <metbsd> but it doesn't boot xfce live iso
[17:27] <metbsd> so i boot mini.iso
[17:27] <metbsd> but it only has 18lts
[17:28] <metbsd> so i install 18lts, and then upgrade to 20lts, and then add xfce4
[17:28] <leftyfb> metbsd: 18.04 and 20.04, not 18 and 20
[17:28] <Maik> metbsd: why not use the mini/netboot iso of 20.04 instead of a server install....
[17:28] <metbsd> there is not 20.04 miniiso
[17:28] <Maik> there is
[17:28] <metbsd> yes that's what i mean
[17:28] <metbsd> 1804 2004
[17:28] <TJ-> metbsd: first lets find out what you've done - when you do a -server install it installs systemd-networkd to manage the network. If you then add a desktop that'll depend on, and cause the install of, NetworkManager - and they'll fight over which should manage things. NetworkManager is the tool that uses the nm-applet taskbar applet so you need to disable systemd-networkd service, and possibly
[17:28] <TJ-> ifupdown service (that reads /etc/network/interfaces)
[17:28] <metbsd> yo uknow what i mean
[17:28] <Maik> i gave you the link yesterday metbsd
[17:29] <metbsd> they stop making mini iso since 20
[17:29] <leftyfb> metbsd: 20.04
[17:29] <TJ-> metbsd: what does this show  ? "pastebinit <( systemctl status systemd-networkd/service  NetworkManager.service"
[17:29] <metbsd> okokok
[17:29] <metbsd> jeez
[17:29] <metbsd> is there 20.06 or 08?
[17:30] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | metbsd
[17:30] <TJ-> oops, error in typing
[17:30] <TJ-> metbsd: what does this show  ? "pastebinit <( systemctl status systemd-networkd/service  NetworkManager.service )"
[17:30] <Maik> metbsd: again and pay attention: <Maik> metbsd: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/
[17:30] <Maik> last time i post it for you
[17:31] <TJ-> OK I give up, can't type for life
[17:31] <TJ-> metbsd:  "pastebinit <( systemctl status systemd-networkd.service  NetworkManager.service )"
[17:31] <metbsd> Maik, you mean that legacy mini iso is 20?
[17:32] <metbsd> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DSqV4d4YdB/
[17:32] <Maik> 20.04 metbsd
[17:32] <metbsd> this is out put of NetworkManager status
[17:32] <leftyfb> Maik: it's very sad that there's no longer one for 20.10 or beyond. That iso is REALLY helpful
[17:34] <metbsd> so, wpa_supplicant is used by debian system, and NetworkManger using another file to config wifi
[17:34] <metbsd> right?
[17:34] <TJ-> metbsd: show us the report I asked for
[17:34] <Maik> leftyfb: yeah, i agree. Nobert from the Ubuntu MATE team openend a poll and topic on the matter. He also is disappointed that there are no mini isos anymore and tries to convince them to bring it back iirc.
[17:35] <metbsd> what report?  systemctl status NetworkManager.service -l?
[17:35] <TJ-> metbsd:  "pastebinit <( systemctl status systemd-networkd.service  NetworkManager.service )"
[17:35] <metbsd> with " or without?
[17:35] <metbsd> is that a command?
[17:36] <TJ-> metbsd: without - I use those to indicate the complete command to issue
[17:36] <TJ-> metbsd: you can copy/paste everything inside the " marks
[17:37] <metbsd> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rh53RW9Pr8/
[17:37] <metbsd> i got it
[17:37] <metbsd> i should disable that systemd network
[17:38] <TJ-> metbsd: precisely
[17:38] <Nitrousoxide> Does anyone know how to make SSHD start automatically on boot? I've tried to enable it via systemctl and update-rc.d but neither seem to work. Here is the output of systemctl status after a reboot https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NxJZMKCptP/
[17:38] <TJ-> metbsd: " sudo systemctl disable systemd-networkd.service ; sudo systemctl stop systemd-networkd.service "
[17:40] <leftyfb> Nitrousoxide: what version of ubuntu?
[17:43] <metbsd> i don't get it
[17:43] <metbsd> sudo systemctl disable --now systemd.netwokd
[17:43] <metbsd> still same error
[17:43] <leftyfb> metbsd: I'm willing to be if you installed xubuntu 20.04 from scratch everything would just work for you. Have you asked for help with getting the installer to work?
[17:44] <metbsd> i wish i could just install live 2004
[17:44] <metbsd> but too bad it doesn't show any display after bootup
[17:44] <leftyfb> metbsd: 20.04
[17:46] <metbsd> it's 20.04
[17:46] <metbsd> yes
[17:46] <leftyfb> metbsd: have you asked for help with that issue?
[17:46] <metbsd> no
[17:46] <metbsd> it's a live iso
[17:46] <metbsd> so it's either yes or no right?
[17:46] <leftyfb> negative
[17:46] <metbsd> what can i do with live 20.04 iso
[17:46] <leftyfb> metbsd: https://askubuntu.com/a/832173/1151311
[17:46] <metbsd> i use that bletch thing to write iso to usb, reports success
[17:46] <metbsd> etchble
[17:46] <metbsd> i can never remember that name
[17:47] <TJ-> metbsd: has the service actually stopped? has wpa_supplicant service ALSO been stopped /disabled ?
[17:47] <Maik> metbsd: Balena Etcher
[17:51] <metbsd> the systemd network stopped
[17:52] <metbsd> but restarting NetworkManager failed with:
[17:52] <metbsd> failed to open /run/network/ifstate
[17:53] <metbsd> error adding interface:wpa_supplicant couldn't grab this interface
[17:53] <TJ-> metbsd: right, so something else has the interface
[17:54] <TJ-> metbsd: is there any config for ifupdown for that interface? " grep -rn wlp6s0 /etc/network/ "
[17:58] <Nitrousoxide> leftyfb: 20.04 Desktop
[17:59] <metbsd> how do i disable runtime
[18:00] <metbsd> systemctl is ignoring "systemctl disable --runtime systemd-networkd
[18:02] <metbsd> systemctl mask?
[18:04] <metbsd> yep NetworkManager is back to normal after reboot
[18:04] <metbsd> all i did was systemctl mask systemd-networkd
[18:04] <metbsd> so it won't start systemd networkd at boot
[18:05] <metbsd> and nothing interfere with NetworkManager.server(network-manager.service?)
[18:06] <TJ-> metbsd: I suspect the problem is/was netplan.io, which has /lib/systemd/system-generators/netplan that runs at boot and is probably configure to generate a systemd-networkd config since it came with the -server install
[18:06] <TJ-> metbsd: I'd either remove netplan.io package or delete its configs from /etc/netplan/
[18:08] <metbsd> i'd rather mask it. in case in the future NetworkManager.server or that applet failed to work
[18:08] <metbsd> i can unmask the ubuntu systemd wifi
[18:10] <TJ-> metbsd: netplan is a pain - it isn't even required especially on Desktop
[18:10] <TJ-> not needed on -server either unless interfaces keep on coming and going with different names!
[18:14] <metbsd> what does it do
[18:15] <tycel> So, after a quick reinstall of Ubuntu, everything is working fine.
[18:15] <tycel> =)
[18:15] <tycel> Figured i'd let you know.
[18:15] <metbsd> why reinstall
[18:16] <metbsd> probably the live iso did the same trick: set the mask on systemd-networkd to make NetworkManager to work
[18:17] <tycel> method, for the life of me.. i could not get ubuntu to recognize my laptop's primary monitor. it'd only recognize the HDMI 2nd monitor
[18:17] <tycel> after reinstalling, working fine.
[18:18] <metbsd> it's the nvidia driver
[18:18]  * tycel shrugs
[18:18] <metbsd> you have dual graphics card
[18:18] <tycel> either way.
[18:18] <tycel> it's working now.
[18:19] <metbsd> me too, i just fixed network problem.
[18:19] <metbsd> without reinstalling
[18:19] <tycel> Well, I couldn't.
[18:19] <tycel> ;P
[18:21] <metbsd> after trying all those desktop linux, i still like xubuntu the best
[18:21] <metbsd> lightweight, well tune up
[18:22] <metbsd> and binary based is nice
[18:22] <metbsd> no need to compile
[18:22] <tycel> I just went with a basic Ubuntu install along side my windows machine, since I am primarily using this to leran programming.
[18:23] <tycel> and my windows partition for gaming.
[18:23] <tycel> =)
[18:23] <metbsd> you don't need to install ubuntu for programming
[18:23] <metbsd> there is wsl2 now
[18:23] <metbsd> my old laptop is too old to run windows
[18:23] <metbsd> that's why i put linux on it
[18:24]  * tycel shrugs
[18:24] <tycel> if you want to judge the way I have my setup working, that's on you.
[18:24] <tycel> But, windows has enough bloat that I'm usuing it specifically for my gaming setup
[18:24] <tycel> and since Linux has much less bloat; I'm using it to learn my practical skills.
[18:24] <tycel> Since, I can fit more here. P
[18:32] <metbsd> what do you use linux for
[18:32] <metbsd> what application do you run
[18:33] <erpderp32> >programming
[18:33] <erpderp32> Just run a bare server and use vi
[18:50] <Deyaa> Can I use hashcat on quantum computer?
[18:52] <kraiskil> Does Ubuntu run on quantum computers? :o
[18:55] <Deyaa> kraiskil: I don't know, I'm here to know from you guys Ubuntu experts
[18:57] <kraiskil> Oh. Then the answer most likely is 'no' :)
[18:57] <kraiskil> But I don't really have a clue...
[18:57] <Numline1> Hey guys. I'm trying to install Ubuntu server and for the love of all that's holy, I can't figure out how to use a software raid of two SSDs as both bootable device and root FS
[18:58] <Numline1> When I create the md0, I can slap / on it, but can't make it a bootable device. When I add both disks separately as bootable devices, I can't create sw raid on them
[18:58] <metbsd> lol software raid of two ssds.
[18:58] <Numline1> metbsd: idk what's funny, I literally need a mirrored system disk
[19:01] <kraiskil> Numline1, but if your raid device is bootable - who handles the raiding so that the kernel can be read off the raid? You need to have the bios [sic] do the raid of a bootable device.
[19:03] <Numline1> kraiskil: I should've probably phrased that differently
[19:03] <kraiskil> :D
[19:03] <Numline1> I need to split both disks into a small bootable partition
[19:03] <Numline1> add grub to both of these small partitions
[19:03] <Numline1> and have the remaining space as a SW raid
[19:04] <Numline1> I'd have the remaining larger chunk as ZFS but it seems that Ubuntu installer doesn't support that
[19:04] <Numline1> https://share.numli.net/file/numshare/Screen-Shot-2021-02-20-20-04-41.28-ehLtEt.png
[19:05] <Numline1> the used disks are tje two small boot partitions, two separate grubs on two disks
[19:05] <Numline1> however there's still around 110G - 1M of free space that I need to use as a root FS
[19:07] <memphisto> i've enabled ip forwarding , net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 on one VM (ubuntu), and want to be able to access net from another vm that has this ubuntu as Gw
[19:07] <memphisto> but this isn't working
[19:07] <memphisto> what do i need apart that ip forwarding enabled
[19:07] <memphisto> ubuntu vm is using ufw
[19:12] <pavlos> memphisto: ip route add default via (ip of the gw)
[19:13] <Numline1> Found the solution to my problem - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1234949/install-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-with-raid-1-on-two-devices
[19:13] <Numline1> that is so unbelievably unintuitive
[19:13] <memphisto> @pavlos so, thats on other vm or ubuntu vm
[19:15] <pavlos> memphisto: if gw is vm1 and you want vm2 to go through vm1, that command is on vm2
[19:15] <memphisto> 2nd Vm has as default route the ip of ubuntu vm ( it's 2nd interface)
[19:15] <neryte> Quick question for yall, what advice would you give someone first getting into Ubuntu?
[19:16] <metbsd> your 2nd vm needs to know the route to 1st vm
[19:16] <neryte> I am converting all my friends
[19:16] <metbsd> i mean using 1st vm as default route
[19:17] <metbsd> your gateway needs NAT
[19:17] <memphisto> ok, NAT, how do i do it....ip forwarding isn't enough
[19:18] <metbsd> as a gateway, there are two network device with two networks
[19:18] <metbsd> otherwise, it's a bridge
[19:19] <metbsd> what are you trying to do
[19:21] <memphisto> vm1 has 2 network interfaces ; first can access net, 2nd internal
[19:21] <memphisto> all traffic from other vms on this internal should be able to reach internet
[19:21] <memphisto> NAT
[19:22] <metbsd> ok, a gateway has two ips. can be on on interface
[19:22] <metbsd> but two ips are on different networks
[19:22] <metbsd> so it needs network address translation
[19:22] <metbsd> because pc on network 1 knows nothing about network2
[19:25] <memphisto> 2 different networks
[19:25] <metbsd> what NAT does is it remapping the unknown ip address in a packet to a known ip address.
[19:25] <metbsd> so the packet knows where to go
[19:26] <metbsd> in linux it's called IP masquerading
[19:28] <metbsd> say you are on <IP_ADDRESS> and accesing google.ca webpage, your http package is from <IP_ADDRESS> to google.ca
[19:28] <memphisto> i need to enable it in ufw rules somehow
[19:28] <metbsd> your gateway can deliver this to google.ca without problem
[19:28] <metbsd> because your NAT replace your <IP_ADDRESS> with ip of gateway ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:29] <metbsd> so the google.ca can send reply to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:29] <metbsd> so the ip is like google.ca to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[19:30] <metbsd> NAT then replace <IP_ADDRESS> with <IP_ADDRESS> and gets to you
[19:36] <memphisto> traceroute to www.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
[19:36] <memphisto>  1  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  0.593 ms  0.509 ms  0.417 ms
[19:36] <memphisto> i only have this
[19:36] <memphisto> i've enabled in ufw and os ipv4 forwarding
[19:36] <memphisto> i've tried using this....https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-firewall
[19:37] <memphisto> but since it's not working, i must be doing something wrong
[19:37] <metbsd> they have nothing to do with NAT
[19:38] <metbsd> enable forward and turn off firewall first
[19:38] <oerheks> sd> your gateway can deliver this to google.ca without problem
 because your NAT replace your <IP_ADDRESS> with ip of gateway ip <IP_ADDRESS>
 so the google.ca can send reply to <IP_ADDRESS>
 so the ip is like google.ca to <IP_ADDRESS>.
 NAT then replace <IP_ADDRESS> with <IP_ADDRESS> and gets to you
[19:38] <oerheks> * tafa2 has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[19:38] <metbsd> get NAT and route works first, then work on firewall
[19:39] <Geo> I have a server currently hosting email for foo.com; I'd like it to now also host for bar.com. Can anyone get me started on which method I should be using to host two domains on one server?
[19:39] <oerheks> oops
[19:39] <memphisto> i've fixed it
[19:40] <memphisto> i left eth0 in ufw config file, but it's enp0s3
[19:40] <memphisto> thank you metbsd and pavlos
[19:41] <memphisto> for you time and help
[19:45] <basenode> is it weird to be at 14GB ram usage with just browser + vs code running?
[19:45] <basenode> (not even 100 tabs)
[19:46] <oerheks> depends what browser, chrome uses more, and is faster
[19:48] <pavlos> memphisto: my notes so far (if that helps) ... https://termbin.com/dmzkg
[19:56] <basenode> oerheks: yeah its chrome
[20:08] <Geo> I have a server currently hosting email for foo.com; I'd like it to now also host for bar.com. Can anyone get me started on which method I should be using to host two domains on one server?
[20:14] <Surkow|laptop> Geo, you can simply point multiple domains to the same IP address
[20:14] <leftyfb> Geo: you are better off asking in #ubuntu-server. Though I will say that there's plenty of tutorials out there on this exact topic. You really should be putting way more effort into running an email server on the public internet. Otherwise you might have working email, but you are probably also contributing to the spam problem by not securing your system due to lack of effort
[20:15] <Surkow|laptop> or that
[20:15] <leftyfb> Geo: http://techslides.com/mail-server-for-multiple-domains-with-postfix
[20:15] <leftyfb> Geo: more importantly, https://linux-audit.com/postfix-hardening-guide-for-security-and-privacy/
[20:16] <leftyfb> Geo: I googled for "postfix multiple domains" and "postfix security" and those are the top results
[20:25] <pavlos> metbsd: I posted my notes but ... vm2 cannot ping vm1 but the reverse works (vm1 can ping vm2).
[20:30] <Geo> leftyfb: right, I've read several articles; I'm not 100% they're directly relevant, I can't find actual documentation on what virtual_aliases are and how they're intended to be used
[20:30] <Geo> most are just 'do this and dont worry about it'
[20:31] <Geo> Surkow|laptop: its more than just pointing; the server has to be set up to accept mail for that domain, as well as configure users, etc
[20:31] <leftyfb> Geo: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[20:32] <Geo> yeah, and that one was *too* technical, haha
[20:32] <leftyfb> Geo: then you should not be running a public email server
[20:33] <Surkow|laptop> Geo, I haven't personally set up an email server
[20:33] <leftyfb> Geo: https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/how-set-virtual-domains-and-virtual-users-postfix/
[20:33] <Surkow|laptop> all I configure are virtual hosts with apache or nginx
[20:33] <Surkow|laptop> which easily allow me to deal with multiple domains
[20:34] <Geo> I always love the "you're not smart so you shouldn't try this" answers
[20:34] <leftyfb> Geo: please read through the articles I posted and spend the time to understand all of it. Including the "technical" one. Then work towards securing your email server. Then work on multiple domains
[20:34] <Geo> that passive agressive insulting is so '00s
[20:35] <leftyfb> Geo: I never said you aren't smart. If you feel documentation for what you're trying to accomplish is too technical and aren't willing to take the time to learn it, then it's almost a given that your server is contributing to the spam/malware problem that the rest of us have to deal with
[20:35] <Geo> again. passive agressive insults
[20:35] <Geo> You have 0 idea what i do do or dont do otherwise
[20:36] <Surkow|laptop> I personally wouldn't set up an outgoing email server because of grey listing and email getting bounced if you have a random domain not accepted by the big players to combat spam
[21:18] <tmm88> take a look https://github.com/tiagomoraismorgado/TMM88_DATAMININGREPOS
[21:19] <leftyfb> tmm88: can we help you with something?
[21:20] <tmm88> i was just sharing my passion and commitment towards the things i love
[21:20] <tmm88> and i love codign
[21:20] <leftyfb> tmm88: this is a support channel for Ubuntu.
[23:10] <joanab> Hey chan. I'm looking for a HDD stress utility to stress a specific drive. Have fio and stress-ng but can't find a way to stress the drive I want, not the boot drive. Could I ask for some help with arguments for stress-ng or another app that might work?
[23:11] <Maik> joanab: not really a Ubuntu specific support question imho
[23:11] <joanab> Don't think they have a channel, and it is included in the Ubuntu repo.
[23:12] <joanab> But if you know of another Ubuntu-compatible stress app, I want that too.
[23:14] <oerheks> some examples stresstest ng; https://portal.cloudunboxed.net/knowledgebase/38/Stress-test---induce-load-on-CPU-FPU-RAM-HDD-SSD-and-more.html
[23:15] <oerheks> sudo stress --hdd 2 --io 4 --vm 6 --cpu 8 --timeout 900s
[23:15] <joanab> Yeah, I've googled it for about an hour ;) But I cannot get it to accept the partition I want.
[23:16] <joanab> stress-ng -d 9 /media/user/myPartition/ just uses the boot partition, not the one I want
[23:17] <joanab> And without the "9", I get an error.
[23:21] <leftyfb> joanab: --hdd is for the amount of threads, not the drive. You need to specify a number
[23:21] <leftyfb> joanab: use sysbench
[23:21] <leftyfb> joanab: unless you only want to stress and aren't interested in a benchmark
[23:22] <joanab> I only need to stress: my raid controller is likely faulty and I need to hard stress my Raid volume for 1h+
[23:22] <joanab> leftyfb: and I knew about the -hdd, I checked the manpage ;)
[23:23] <leftyfb> joanab: then why were you surprised when you left out a number for --hdd?
[23:23] <joanab> leftyfb: I was just distracted and not forumlating my words correctly. Forgive I?
[23:23] <joanab> <<sleep deprived.
[23:33] <Nitrousoxide> Is there a command that I can use to open a terminal via SSH
[23:33] <Nitrousoxide> One that will show on screen
[23:44] <tomreyn> Nitrousoxide: maybe what you're looking for is a terminal multiplexer, such as tmux, screen, byobu
[23:44] <tomreyn> or X forwarding through SSH.
[23:53] <leftyfb> Nitrousoxide: export DISPLAY=:0 ; gnome-terminal
[23:59] <Nitrousoxide> No, I don't need a terminal multiplexer. I already use tmux, I just want the ability to open a terminal on screen
[23:59] <Nitrousoxide> leftyfb: thanks