[00:00] <sarnold> Tangurin: sometimes they may offer a framework or product of some sort, and they'll have configured all this kind of stuff before allowing users to deploy their specific portions
[00:01] <sarnold> Tangurin: sometimes they just do simple static serving and they don't actually allow their clients to run code in the web server at all
[00:01] <Tangurin> sarnold: hmm ok
[00:01] <Tangurin> sarnold: Well I will have to look into this someday... but not now! Now I have to sleep. in the middle of the night and work today! Thank you for your time and have a nice day! :)
[00:02] <sarnold> Tangurin: woo :) have fun, sleep well
[05:50] <guillaume_s> hi everyone
[05:52] <guillaume_s> i search for an answer to a question in order to be able to install ubuntu-server. i have been asked to install Linux (ubuntu) on an ibm 9407-515 server. This is the first time i do it on a Server. We've realized that we couldn't create a LPAR because when we try to modify anything we are told that we don't have the feature 7966 "Note: Error 400000C4 when trying to modify partition configuration can be a result of not havi
[05:53] <guillaume_s> partitioning. " The problem is that he stopped his contract with IBM so we don't know how to add this feature. Our actual firmware is SF240-238
[05:55] <guillaume_s> anybody with an idea would be really nice to tell me, it's been a few days now and i feel lost
[05:55] <TJ-> guillaume_s: hi again. Have you seen http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1014228
[05:55] <guillaume_s> yes
[05:55] <guillaume_s> and read all redbooks
[05:57] <guillaume_s> i must say we don't have any HMC
[05:57] <TJ-> guillaume_s: tell the client to contact IBM. They need to purchase the feature.
[05:59] <guillaume_s> ok. So that's what i thought. The feature is at 0 dollars. Do you think they'll be able to do something even if he stops his contract with them ? last question. Would it be possible to do it another way ? Like removing the current os and replace it with Ubuntu ? or would it be very hard to do ?
[06:01] <TJ-> guillaume_s: He'd have to talk to IBM about the feature, I can't say. I doubt replacing i5/OS is a good idea. There's no guarantee Linuc fully supports all the system hardware.
[06:04] <guillaume_s> you're right, thank you for your time, this is pretty much what i wanted to hear. Will you be here later today ?
[06:15] <TJ-> guillaume_s: probably not, I've been doing some early-hours hacking :)
[06:16] <guillaume_s> nice, well thank you. I hope i'll manage to install it by myself.
[08:54] <mnms_> I would like to install ubuntu as my ftp server with 4TB disks. Are there any problems with disks bigger than 2TB ? I would like to make software RAID 1 using ubuntu installator. SHould I expect any problems with following configuration :) ?
[08:55] <lordievader> mnms_: Not if you are using gpt. But don't use ftp, use scp, sftp or anything else. Ftp is a bad idea.
[09:06] <sysrex> mnms_, I will second lordievader ftp is a really bad idea
[09:06] <sysrex> and if you are planning in having large files I would go with xfs
[09:09] <mnms_> guys I will use certificates to not send credintials in plain text
[09:09] <maswan> yeah, nothing wrong with ftp if you use tls
[09:10] <mnms_> lordievader, sysrex: Ok, I understand you mean I should use ssh protocol ?
[09:10] <sysrex> yes, safer and faster
[09:11] <mnms_> ok
[09:11] <mnms_> thanks for that
[09:11] <sysrex> no worries mate
[09:11] <lordievader> maswan: Isn't ftp + tls sftp or ftps?
[09:11] <maswan> lordievader: sftp is based on ssh, you could call it ftps I guess, but I've never seen that
[09:12] <lordievader> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS
[09:12] <lordievader> So it is ;)
[09:15] <mnms_> So I can create GPT layout on hdd through ubuntu installer ?
[09:16] <maswan> I think so, but I've never tried it. All of my large storage servers have HW raid controllers with a small OS partition, or small dedicated OS drives.
[09:16] <lordievader> mnms_: I'd do it by hand if I were you.
[09:17] <mnms_> maswan: I would like to ensure somehow before I will buy a disks
[09:17] <lordievader> Gpt/mbr is irrelevant for a disk itself.
[09:17] <lordievader> As long as it can store data it can have gpt or mbr partition tables.
[09:19] <mnms_> lordievader: true, but Im buying it to have large partitions, If I will have problem creating them, It doesnt make sense to spend a money
[09:20] <lordievader> mnms_: Go with gpt: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Some_basics_of_MBR_v/s_GPT_and_BIOS_v/s_UEFI#MBR_vs._GPT
[09:21] <mnms_> Right now I put disks <= 2TB, run ubuntu-server edition, going through installer steps and everything works fine
[09:22] <lordievader> Ubuntu works fine with gpt disks, just don't know if the installer can set it up. Hence the advice to do it manually.
[09:26] <mnms_> I guess I need to change something in BIOS to to activate UEFI, correct ?
[15:55] <rbasak> smb: did you ping me earlier? I can't find it.
[15:55] <smb> rbasak, yeah on some other channel.
[15:56] <smb> rbasak, Was wondering what questions there were about dpdk and whether those would stop us from uploading 2.0 as it is now
[15:56] <rbasak> smb: have you seen the replies to http://dpdk.org/ml/archives/dev/2015-September/023180.html?
[15:56] <smb> Most comments seemed to say we did it the same or at least a similar way
[15:57] <smb> rbasak, was quickly scanning over
[15:57] <rbasak> smb: upstream seem receptive, but I wanted to reply to Thomas. It sounds like the soname is well-defined now in latest upstream, but what about the sover?
[15:57] <smb> Most things seemed to address 2.1
[15:58] <smb> Yeah, the reply from Stephen sounded like there is one defined in the config now... but not which
[16:54] <smb> rbasak, oh also it simplify things for me if you could just add me to a cc: on those emails. Then I do not have to poll some archive site to see whats going on. :)
[17:53] <teward> should packages be built with the expectation of having dpkg-divert being called upon it to divert installation of a configuration file, when dpkg-divert is called from a different package?
[18:08] <jge> howdy, anyone know if samba respects linux acls? I'm using the "hide unwritable/unreadable" options in a samba share but I only get permissioned-denied, I would like them to not see what they dont have access to
[18:09] <jge> I've only been able to get this working by using standard perms
[18:10] <sarnold> jge: would that change directory listings for a user based on which files or directories they can actually read or write?
[18:12] <jge> sarnold: a directory will be hidden for them if they dont have read/write perms
[18:12] <sarnold> jge: what happens if they try to create a directory or file with a hidden name?
[18:14] <jge> sarnold: I get, "you must type a file name" on a win7 client
[18:14] <sarnold> weird
[18:14] <sarnold> well, at least it's an error that's actually handled on the client..
[18:14] <jge> I should be able to get the behavior I want by using ACLs too right?
[18:15] <jge> right
[18:22] <sarnold> jge: it looks like samba does the entire access control checks itself http://sources.debian.net/src/samba/2:4.1.17%2Bdfsg-4/source3/smbd/open.c/?hl=69#L69
[18:23] <sarnold> jge: I don't know where the lp_acl_check_permissions() function is defined -- it _might_ hide a call to access(2), but without seeing it, I think that means you've got to use samba acls and not linux acls
[18:25] <jge> sarnold: hmm interesting, I thought samba used linux perms/acls, didn't know they had their own mechanism for access control
[18:28] <sarnold> jge: if you find the lp_acl_check_permissions() function, that'd explain everything. :) I just don't know where else to go looking for it. you might be right..
[18:29] <jge> sarnold: ok thank you, i'll dig into it more
[19:26] <henkjan> whys is ssh complaining:
[19:26] <henkjan> Warning: the RSA host key for 'test2.mydomain.local' differs from the key for the IP
[19:26] <henkjan> address '<IP_ADDRESS>'
[19:26] <henkjan> Offending key for IP in /home/henkjan/.ssh/known_hosts:110
[19:26] <henkjan> Matching host key in /home/henkjan/.ssh/known_hosts:102
[19:27] <henkjan> the 'offending' key is in ecdsa format
[19:27] <henkjan> the matching key is rsa
[19:27] <henkjan> why would ssh complain about a key in a different format?
[19:28] <henkjan> both keys in known_hosts are the keys as found on the server in /etc/ssh/
[19:28] <quantic> henkjan: because if one key matches and the other doesn't, it's potentially a security issue.
[19:28] <quantic> henkjan: it is conceivable that a hostile mitm could be spoofing one key, but not another.
[19:29] <quantic> henkjan: also, one key is matched on hostname, and the other by IP. DNS redirection is also a possibility.
[19:29] <quantic> henkjan: i.e. the DNS entry for the host was changed to point to a different and possibly hostile system.
[19:29] <quantic> henkjan: verify the host key fingerprint against the keys actually on the host, and if they match, clear the offenders from known_hosts
[19:30] <henkjan> both keys in known_hosts are the .pub versions from the server
[19:31] <henkjan> is ssh client not smart enough not to try to match aan rsa fingerprint with an ecdsa key in known_hosts?
[19:31] <sarnold> henkjan: it's complaining about the different format because itmight mean the connection or server has been manipulated
[19:31] <quantic> henkjan: ^
[19:31] <quantic> henkjan: it's being paranoid, and rightly so, by design. clear the offending keys and let it recreate the known_hosts entries if everything's fine.
[19:32] <sarnold> henkjan: it'll continue to warn you until you remove the key that's no longer being used, as a way to acknowledge that the change is intentional
[19:35] <henkjan> 21:28 < quantic> henkjan: also, one key is matched on hostname, and the other by IP. DNS redirection is also a possibility.
[19:35] <henkjan> i'll check on that one
[19:37] <henkjan> hmm, maybe its a good idea to maintain a global known_hosts in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts on this jumphost
[21:14] <Slugs_> is anyone aware of an ubuntu iso that includes openstack as a software installation selection?  —— http://i.stack.imgur.com/WGJlN.jpg
[21:15] <Slugs_> i can’t seem to find thids
[21:15] <Slugs_> *this
[21:17] <sarnold> I wouldn't be surprised if that's been removed, if it ever existed "publicly", there's just so many ways to run an openstack system, and so many pieces of software, it doesn't really make sense to have one "openstack" task.
[21:18] <Slugs_> interesting
[21:18] <Slugs_> that makes alot of sense
[21:18] <Slugs_> thank you sarnold
[21:18] <sarnold> Slugs_: take a look at this, it might be helpful http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[21:20] <Slugs_> thank you
[22:23] <teward> anyone else on the server team want to comment on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2015-September/007106.html or https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2015-September/007107.html
[22:29] <teward> sarnold: thanks for looking, i shoulda poked -hardened first xD
[22:29] <teward> but you're here :)
[22:29] <teward> (I also said in a response that they should first get it into Debian, and their security teams'll ask the same questions :P)
[22:32] <sarnold> teward: well, they're likely to behappy to accept it, the more the merrier etc, but these already exist so they have to hit a certain minimum of usability.. :)
[22:34] <teward> sarnold: mmm
[22:34] <teward> sarnold: indeed, although even then... :P
[22:35] <teward> sarnold: i don't think there's any protocol for VPN out there that's 'brand new' that passes security muster, but I may be wrong
[22:41] <teward> o/ LinuxJedi
[22:42] <sarnold> teward: indeed.. I liked reading the strongswan code though.
[22:42] <teward> sarnold: strongswan broke my IPSec on my pfSense though
[22:42] <teward> had to nuke and redo all the IPSec configs
[22:43] <sarnold> teward: .. and it doesn't work in draconian networks that allow e.g. only port 80 traffic through. so it's not perfect tool for everybody..
[22:43] <teward> mhm
[22:44] <teward> grrrr openssl ftbfs on armhf on my rpi >.<
[22:45] <LinuxJedi> hey teward
[22:47] <teward> LinuxJedi: nginx mainline ppa is *delayed* because i'm innundated at work >.<
[22:47] <teward> in case anyone cares
[22:47] <teward> but i don't think everyone does xD
[22:48] <LinuxJedi> teward: I resemble that remark :) NGINX conf next week so I'm spending every hour possible preparing
[22:48] <teward> LinuxJedi: oh, that's right, give everyone my regards and my regret about not being able to attend :)
[22:48] <teward> sarnold: sorry for hijacking an otherwise quiet channel XD
[22:48] <LinuxJedi> will do. And sorry from me too sarnold :)
[22:50] <sarnold> meh I don't care :) it's remotely on-topic anyway..
[22:50] <teward> sarnold: can I get a security team opinion on a CVE though
[22:50] <teward> semi-related :P
[22:50] <sarnold> sure..
[22:50] <teward> sarnold: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2011/CVE-2011-4968.html <-- worth backporting fixes?
[22:51] <teward> LinuxJedi: ^ same question, except is there backported changes for this CVE for 1.6.x (which i know is dead, yes)
[22:54] <LinuxJedi> my personal opinion is since we added it as a feature (off by default) I don't think it needs a backport. The default behaviour will be the same as 1.6 I believe. Those who would configure this are probably using their own builds anyway.
[22:54] <LinuxJedi> that said, it doesn't look like it is a difficult one to backport if you want to do it
[22:55] <teward> hence me asking sarnold if it's worth it xD
[22:57] <sarnold> teward: no, I wouldn't bother. no one's asked us for it...
[22:57] <teward> ok then :)
[22:57] <sarnold> teward: and anyone who really cared could use stunnel
[22:58] <sarnold> teward: you're busy enough and have enough things to do that it doesn't seem worthwhile. if you were bored, maybe. but that doesn't seem to be an issue. :)
[22:58] <teward> sarnold: should it be 'wontfix' or such, as in 'we don't really see this as a huge concern'
[22:58] <teward> sarnold: meh, just doing my regular poking of the tracker :)
[23:19] <sarnold> teward: I just checked in an update with somenotes
[23:19] <teward> sarnold: ?
[23:21] <sarnold> teward: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-cve-tracker/master/revision/9951
[23:21] <teward> ah
[23:22] <teward> sarnold: ACK on that, +1 on the notes as such
[23:22] <sarnold> thanks
[23:23] <teward> sarnold: it's definitely patched in Wily, but meh
[23:43] <RevertToType> maybe here will help... so i'm building up from server to make a kiosk everything is actually nearly perfect except--- one thing; so i have xorg installed and it's running a web browser in kiosk mode with all the correct settings, now i want users to be able to save files to their flash drive should they need to but nowhere else.  if this was windows i could gpo the save file box to only show the equivalent to /media/usb0 as the only opti
[23:43] <RevertToType> please say it isn't
[23:44] <sarnold> RevertToType: your first messge was cut off at "as the only opti"
[23:44] <RevertToType> show the equivalent to /media/usb0 as the only option but i don't see an immediate way to do that with my current setup.... is there a way? I know that setting permissions hasn't "hidden" the other folders from the users' view so i'm kinda at a loss... is this the point i have to breakdown and consider a wm/de?
[23:44] <RevertToType> also sarnold do you have a project or something i can donate to so i can show gratitude for the endless patience dealing with me?
[23:44] <RevertToType> or a paypal i guess... a pint on me so to speak
[23:45] <sarnold> RevertToType: if it were me, I'd modify the apparmor profile for the web browser to allow writing to /media/usb0/**, but I don't know how you pre-populate that as the save-as dialog source
[23:45] <sarnold> RevertToType: hehe, thanks, but no; just pass it along :)
[23:46] <RevertToType> sarnold: yeah i mean right now i have two options; leave the save dialog box open entirely or remove the ability to save... this is kinda the 3rd layer of polish on the system which would take it to "meets requirements" to "meets all the things we wanted but thought we couldn't have"
[23:48] <RevertToType> oh snap... maybe i can do stuff in the gyk .config file...
[23:48] <RevertToType> gtk rather
[23:52] <sarnold> RevertToType: it _might_ start with the HOME directory or something similar
[23:53] <RevertToType> yeah i think with a bit of tweaking i could just make it so it opens up a really small dialog box with no navigation just auto-located to the usb drive and the button "save" hehe
[23:54] <RevertToType> like "select the one place you can save it...nope there's only one... save or cancel... i'll wait"


[00:09] <uRock> Finally started testing 10.10 in a VBox and was happy that it installed without a hitch.
[00:12] <DrHalan> uRock: theres nothing to be happy aobut. Using maverick on my machine for a month without problems..
[00:13] <uRock> DrHalan, that takes the fun out of it
[00:13] <DrHalan> out of what?
[00:13] <uRock> testing
[00:13] <DrHalan> alright :D
[00:14]  * uRock Linkes being sarcastic =)
[00:14] <uRock> Likes
[00:16] <DrHalan> do you know if there will be gtk3 in maverick
[00:16] <DrHalan> it doesn't seem like..
[00:16] <uRock> no clue
[00:17] <uRock> I haven't looked into much of anything yet
[00:17] <DrHalan> i don't want to wait another rleease for it..
[00:18] <uRock> I mostly want to see the ayatana stuff for Netbooks will look
[00:19] <DrHalan> you men indicator-appmenu?
[00:19] <DrHalan> or the new network-indicator?
[00:19] <uRock> all of the above
[00:20] <uRock> the stuff that caused them to put the buttons on the left
[00:20] <DrHalan> oh the windicators?
[00:20] <DrHalan> i don't know if that is really worked on
[00:20] <DrHalan> http://twitpic.com/27v3gq
[00:20] <DrHalan> thats how my desktop looks like
[00:20] <uRock> yup, those
[00:21] <DrHalan> notice i don't have a legacy statusmenu anymore
[00:21] <DrHalan> and the menu of my apps has moved in the upper panel similiar to OSX
[00:21] <uRock> looks good
[00:23] <DrHalan> but i don't know if the windicators really will make it into maverick as i don't see any pacakges for them yet
[00:24] <uRock> I hope so, but I won't be too broken hearted.
[00:26] <Daekdroom> There'll be no GTK3 in maverick
[00:26] <Daekdroom> Because it'd require to ship GTK2 AND GTK3 in a single CD, as they can't do such fast transition..
[00:27] <DrHalan> -.-
[00:28] <DrHalan> i thought its normal that the releases after the LTS are a little broken
[00:30] <kklimonda> well, a little broken and unshippable are two different things
[00:31] <DrHalan> well there is a gnome 3.0 release so all core apps should be compatible with gtk3
[00:31] <kklimonda> but we ship much more then only core apps on cd
[00:31] <Daekdroom> DrHalan, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-gnome
[00:32] <DrHalan> mh
[00:32] <DrHalan> back when kde 4.0 came out there was a "4.0 remix" beside the normal Kubuntu release
[00:33] <DrHalan> will something like this happen?
[00:42] <DanaG> Say, how the heck do I point a vnc client at the SECOND head?
[00:42] <DanaG> I have :0.0 and :0.1, and can only seem to connect to :0.0.
[01:03] <BUGabundo> nite guys
[01:16] <ChogyDan> anyone happen to know about a low latency kernel?
[01:36] <DrHalan> ChogyDan: what for?
[01:37] <ChogyDan> DrHalan: well, it was referenced to me, but I don't know where to find it
[01:39] <ChogyDan> basically, I want to look at how it is packaged
[01:58] <bjsnider> ChogyDan, the low latency kernel is called -rt, for realtime
[01:58] <ChogyDan> ah, ok
[01:59] <bjsnider> #ubuntu-kernel has the guys who package it if you want to ask them directly
[01:59] <bjsnider> the kernel team in other words
[02:00] <ChogyDan> yeah, I should ask them, thanks
[04:15] <johnjohn101> what's the version of freetype that will ship with 10.10?
[04:18] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, if you know the actual freetype package name, in this channel use "!info $PACKAGENAME"
[04:19] <johnjohn101> !info freetype
[04:20] <johnjohn101> !info mono
[04:21] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, the reason i said the whole "if you know" part is cause i'd already tried "apt-cache policy freetype" and knew it didn't exist, sorry that wasn't clear.
[04:23] <johnjohn101> don't worry, I'll download alpha 3 in a few days
[12:34] <yofel_> huh? they moved the 'Reported by ...' line to the left on launchpad o.O (edge)
[12:34] <yofel> and the flames look kind of lost on that layout..
[12:34] <yofel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtm/+bug/573785 for example
[12:37] <yofel> meh, wrong #
[13:35] <gnomefreak> does anyone notice that Ubuntu software center starts downloading when you choose a package instead of starting when you are finished?
[13:52] <yofel> gnomefreak: afaik that's intended, once you click on install it starts installing, so it already does something while you're looking at other packages
[13:53] <gnomefreak> it makes it hard to keep up with what you already installed, doing alot of packages
[14:26] <Zeus__> Hello! Am I going to have any problems if I have a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop keeping the partition of the Home folder of 10.04 untouched?
[14:33] <Pici> Zeus__: Probably not, but maybe.
[14:33] <Pici> Zeus__: Actually, let me rephrase that.  You'll only potentially have issues if you are dual booting between 10.04 and 10.10 with a shared .home
[14:33] <Pici> er /home
[14:34] <Zeus__> Pici, thank you :)
[14:38] <gnomefreak> alot of packages are haveing depends issues atm
[16:22] <napsy> Hello. Are catalyst drivers working on 10.10?
[16:56] <Machtin> hey guys.. i'm a bit stuck:  pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (< 1:2.7.1-z) but 1:2.7.2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed. <- any thoughts on that?
[16:57] <Machtin> Should I just wait or can i somehow fix that?
[17:13] <Machtin> never mind, 'fixed' it.
[17:16] <IdleOne> !info sessioninstaller
[17:58] <patdk-wk> fun, another grub update
[17:59] <jpds> Hmm, food time.
[18:22] <Daekdroom> Ha. Maverick wins. GNOME 3 delayed.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> ummm, I think that would be Maverick loses. Gnome 3 is not going to make into it, even for testing
[18:39] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, I always assumed it wouldn't make it into Maverick at all, except by, who knows, a PPA.
[19:03] <rpius> Does anyone have any idea on the progress of "windicators" for maverick? It's almost alpha3 now and still no sign of it.....
[19:03] <DrHalan> hey
[19:03] <DrHalan> where do debug libs normally go
[19:04] <DrHalan> it seems like every package does this differently
[19:04] <DrHalan> some are in /usr/lib/debug others are in /usr/debug/lib others are in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib
[19:05] <yofel> DrHalan: at least here on amd64 all debug libs that are installed by dpkg are in /usr/lib/debug/*
[19:06] <DrHalan> yeah thats where i put mine..
[19:06] <DrHalan> just wanted to see if do my packages right
[19:06] <yofel> if you're packaging something dh_strip should take care of that
[19:09] <DrHalan> still waiting for a gui app to create my packages :D
[19:09] <gnomefreak> its faster and easier to learn the text way :)
[19:10] <DrHalan> took me ages and i don't do anything comples
[19:11] <DrHalan> i just put build a .so and put it into /usr/lib
[19:12] <yofel> well, unless you strip the file you shouldn't need another debug file
[19:18] <DrHalan> strip?
[19:18] <yofel> DrHalan: remove debug symbols from object / binary files
[19:19] <yofel> see 'man strip' and 'man dh_strip'
[19:19] <DrHalan> mh i just have two targets in my makefile
[19:19] <DrHalan> one for release and one for debug
[19:19] <DrHalan> and they get placed at the specific directories..
[19:19] <DrHalan> debuild can do that for me?
[19:20] <yofel> yes, if you build with debug (-g usually) you'll get debug symbols in the binaries
[19:20] <yofel> dpkg always *discards* those unless you override dh_strip to create a -dbg package (and the official buildds always put them into a -dbgsym package)
[19:22] <yofel> so the packaged binaries never have debug symbols, you always have to install a debug package if you want the debug symbols
[19:22] <yofel> (like this the application packages are smaller)
[19:24] <DrHalan> mh if its like taht i don't know if my rules file is correct
[19:24] <DrHalan> http://pastebin.com/vwbwZLWQ
[19:26] <yofel> hm, looks ok to me, you won't get debug symbols in the package though since dh_strip will remove them (you *could* install 'pkg-create-dbgsym' so a -dbgsym package will automatically be created if you build locally, like on the official buildds)
[19:29] <DrHalan> sothere is  dbg package withoutdebug symbols? lol
[19:30] <DrHalan> can is just remove the dh_strip thing?
[19:31] <yofel> try it, I don't know
[19:32]  * gnomefreak wonders what #ubuntu-motu is for :X
[19:32] <yofel> sry, we're finished I think
[19:32] <yofel> now that I think about it, there's #ubuntu-packaging too
[19:32] <DrHalan> man says If the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS environment variable contains "nostrip",        nothing will be stripped
[19:32] <DrHalan> mh whats "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS"?
[19:33] <DrHalan> or betterwhere is it
[19:36] <DrHalan> mh whatever g2g
[19:36] <DrHalan> thanks yofel :)
[19:38] <gnomefreak> yofel: was it you that told me that the password prompt was do to auto login?
[19:39] <yofel> I don't think so
[19:40] <gnomefreak> ok
[19:40]  * gnomefreak cant recall who but either way i asked for confirm in -bugs
[20:07] <napsy> Hello. Are catalyst drivers working on latest 10.10?
[20:07] <patdk-wk> heh, another grub update, another boot failure :(
[20:10] <patdk-wk> heh, rebooting it after the first boot, seems to have fixed it
[20:39] <calmdude> i need help for "lucid & nvidia proprietary driver"?
[20:39] <calmdude> anyone?
[20:41] <gnomefreak> calmdude: join #ubuntu for Lucid support
[20:41] <gnomefreak> Please read the topic of channel for more info
[20:42]  * gnomefreak smoke
[20:43] <calmdude> im already in there and nobody cares/knows
[20:47] <gnomefreak> calmdude: it has alot of users in there please be patient and someone will answer you. if not you can try ubuntuforums.com
[20:47] <gnomefreak> this is not an overflow channel for #ubuntu
[21:04] <calmdude> overflow channel?
[21:05] <calmdude> u just invented the term by yourself, dont u?
[21:05] <patdk-wk> heh
[21:05] <gnomefreak> CardinalFang: you weroverflow was wrong word
[21:06] <gnomefreak> since the channel is not full
[21:06] <gnomefreak> hes gone. sorry CardinalFang
[21:55] <Guest56089> I'm searching for the feature that allows us to maintain several 10.10 computers for updates and whatever else this new feature offers
[21:55] <Guest56089> what is it called?
[21:55] <Volkodav> If I need to install on btrfs I have to partition /boot and do that from alternate CD  right ?
[21:56] <Volkodav> and grub goes to /boot obviously
[21:56] <Guest56089> Volkodav, and I think /boot cannot be btrfs
[21:56] <Volkodav> right
[21:57] <Guest56089> I read there was something new with respect to maintaining several computer but don't know what it is called
[21:57] <Guest56089> *computers
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> OneConf?
[22:00] <Mike__> that OneConf looks promising
[22:01] <Mike__> JontheEchidna, google says you are spot on!
[22:34]  * theoctagon installs ubuntu maverick meercat on btrfs on a virtual box - waiting for installation to complete
[22:38] <patdk-wk> heh
[22:38] <patdk-wk> I just upgraded my lucid to maveric, then converted it to btrfs :)
[22:38] <patdk-wk> stupid flash drive keeps failing
[22:40] <judgen> could anyone check what version of AmiWM that is included in maverick?
[22:42] <yofel> !info amiwm
[22:42] <yofel> same version as in debian
[22:45] <judgen> thnks
[23:34] <Volkodav> anybody installed today from daily alternate CD? mine failed twice
[23:42] <Volkodav>  /boot does not have to be sdx1 ? it can be any partition on a drive as long as it has bootable flag ?


[10:28] <geser> Laney: could you please review/comment on the patch from Debian bug #665064? it fixes the kaya FTBFS (a Haskell package)
[10:33] <Laney> geser: looks sane to me
[10:33] <Laney> I could upload that NMU
[10:33] <Laney> but then again Vincent is a DD himself
[10:33] <Laney> I'll ping him
[10:34] <geser> whatever works to get the FTBFS resolved
[12:16] <semvoz> good evening :)
[13:25] <geser> anyone familiar with how Python dependencies got computed has an idea why python-jenkinsapi gets a dependency on a non-existant package and how to fix it?
[13:44] <debfx> geser: it's parsed from requires.txt
[13:47] <geser> debfx: why is it correct then in Debian? see http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-jenkinsapi
[13:47] <geser> test building -5 in quantal ends in: Depends: python-lxml, python-bs4, python-pkg-resources, python2.7, python (>= 2.7.1-0ubuntu2), python (<< 2.8), python-beautifulsoup4
[13:48] <geser> resulting in "python-jenkinsapi : Depends: python-beautifulsoup4 but it is not installable"
[13:51] <debfx> hm, good question
[13:56] <debfx> geser: in Debian /usr/share/python/dist_fallback has an entry for beautifulsoup4
[13:58] <debfx> looks like it hasn't been regenerated in Ubuntu for a while
[13:59] <debfx> ScottK: ^
[14:01] <debfx> a quick fix would be to just pass --no-guessing-deps to dh_python2 since the package manually specifies the Depends anyway
[14:20] <siretart> jtaylor: please file a bug. I'm currently travelling for another week, so I'll get to that as soon as I return
[14:22] <jtaylor> siretart: so its a bug?
[14:22] <jtaylor> it looks intentional
[14:22] <jtaylor> * Have both libavcodec and libavcodec-extra package conflict with each other.
[14:24] <siretart> jtaylor: I need to take a closer look
[14:24] <siretart> jtaylor: actually, I do not want it to have coinstallable, but I there was some previous discussion about this that I need to review
[14:24] <siretart> anyway, gotta run
[14:29] <cjwatson> jtaylor: my understanding is that libavcodec53 and libavcodec-extra53 are not meant to be coinstallable, but that (following my most recent upload) libavcodec-dev and libavcodec-extra53-dev should be
[14:29] <cjwatson> jtaylor: The earlier dependency you quoted was an or-dep, so it's not a problem in itself that its two elements conflict
[14:30] <cjwatson> sorry, I meant "libavcodec-dev and libavcodec-extra-53 should be" above
[14:32] <jtaylor> k I am asking because of the yorick-av ftbs, it depends on both, though extra-53 is only needed for a test that is easily disabled
[15:15] <cjwatson> jtaylor: the problem with yorick-av is that libavutil-dev and libavcodec-extra-53 aren't coinstallable
[15:15] <cjwatson> the output in the build log is a bit misleading
[15:16] <cjwatson> sounds like it might make sense to disable that one test for the time being and file a bug ...
[16:05] <c_korn> hello, can't I build a quantal chroot on my lucid server? there is no script for quantal in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/
[16:07] <jtaylor> c_korn: just copy one of the others to that name
[16:07] <jtaylor> there all the same
[16:07] <micahg> c_korn: you probably need debootstrap from -backports
[16:07] <micahg> oh, hrm, it wasn't pushed back that far
[16:08] <micahg> c_korn: if you want to test the reverse dependencies in lucid, I'd be happy to push a backport there, but as jtaylor said, it's just adding a new symlink I think
[16:08] <c_korn> no quantal script in lucid-backports either: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid-backports/all/debootstrap/filelist
[16:17] <c_korn> the symlink did its job. thanks to you.
[17:06] <ScottK> debfx: Remind me on Tuesday or convince barry to fix it.
[17:48] <siretart> jdstrand: what kind of functionality does yorick-av require from libavcodec-extra-53?
[17:49] <micahg> siretart: do you meant jtaylor?
[17:51] <siretart> micahg: of course. sorry jdstrand
[17:51] <siretart> jtaylor: what kind of functionality does yorick-av require from libavcodec-extra-53?
[17:52] <siretart> thanks micahg
[17:56] <jtaylor> siretart: just testing of h264
[17:57] <siretart> jtaylor: libavcodec53 decodes h264 just fine. so why do you ned -extra-53?
[17:57] <jtaylor> good question, someone else added the dependency so that the test succeeded
[17:58] <siretart> jtaylor: have you tried removing that dependency? i.e., is it *really* necessary?
[17:58] <siretart> I suspect cargo culting going on here
[17:58] <jtaylor> I'm guessing then it will fail again
[17:58] <jtaylor> didn't try it
[17:58] <jtaylor> will do soon
[18:03] <siretart> jtaylor: k. let me know
[18:20] <jtaylor> siretart: yes the test fails with codec not found
[18:21] <micahg> sounds like a yorick-av bug
[18:22] <jtaylor> really?
[18:22] <jtaylor> I recall encoding issues with x264 if extra was not installed
[18:22] <jtaylor> the description of avcodec does not mention h264
[18:22] <jtaylor> only extra
[18:23] <micahg> oh, right :)
[18:23] <micahg> it's an Ubuntu diff from Debian
[18:23] <micahg> x264 is in universe
[18:28] <micahg> it'll be nice when the main/universe distinction goes away
[18:29] <jtaylor> is that planned?
[18:29] <micahg> yes, just not sure when, last UDS we talked about trying for 13.04
[18:30] <c_korn> hello, trying to build with my new quantal chroot there is this error: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NDSG4dde this is my config: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Au4PqvUg the precise chroot is building fine. please help.
[18:31] <micahg> c_korn: what group is listed in the precise config?
[18:32]  * micahg has groups=sbuild,root,admin in his quantal config
[18:33] <c_korn> micahg: the precise config is also in the paste. the warning about the admin group also appears in the precise build. maybe this is not the cause.
[18:34] <micahg> c_korn: ah, right, the mount error is the issue
[18:35] <c_korn> yeah, the error also appears with "groups=sbuild,root,admin"
[18:35] <siretart> jtaylor: what does the failing test actually do?
[18:35] <tumbleweed> I'd worry slightly more about the Es than the Ws
[18:36] <jtaylor> don't know
[18:36] <jtaylor> but how should it work if the codec is not available
[18:36] <jtaylor> probably it does encoding
[18:36] <siretart> jtaylor: please check. the only thing that I could image that would explain this failure is that the test tries to *encode* something to h264 with libx264
[18:37] <siretart> jtaylor: which seems a terribly strange thing to do in a test
[18:37] <jtaylor> we can just disable the test, thats not the issue
[18:37] <jtaylor> the issue is only, are the two packages supposed to be coinstallable or not
[18:38] <jtaylor> if not, disable the test and be done
[18:38] <siretart> jtaylor: libavcodec-extra-53 and libavcodec53 both provide an libavcodec shared object. the difference is that -extra links against libx264
[18:39] <siretart> jtaylor: so these two cannot be installed together
[18:39] <jtaylor> then extra should provide an own -dev package
[18:39] <siretart> why? there is no difference in terms of headers
[18:39] <siretart> that would make two -dev packages with exactly the same content
[18:39] <jtaylor> how do you then pull libavcodec-extra and the headers?
[18:40] <jtaylor> you can't because they rre not coinstallable
[18:40] <siretart> that seems pretty pointless to me, and you still have not really convinced me to change this opinion
[18:40] <micahg> umm, libavcodec-dev has the proper alternate dependencies
[18:41] <siretart> see
[18:41] <jtaylor> alternate dependencies are not used by buildd
[18:41] <siretart> so?
[18:41] <micahg> they are in Ubuntu
[18:41] <siretart> I realyl do not want any packages to build against the -extra variant as a saftey net
[18:41] <jtaylor> also it doesn't work for me
[18:41] <jtaylor> if I install the -dev it removes extra
[18:41] <siretart> and that some strange broken test case might want to encode to h264 does not sound really convincing to me
[18:42] <micahg> jtaylor: if you use --resolve-alternatives, it should work
[18:42] <jtaylor> urg I didn't even know that exists ..
[18:42]  * micahg isn't sure LP's old sbuild will resolve it properly though
[18:42] <jtaylor> is that an apt-get flag?
[18:42] <micahg> jtaylor: in Debian, it's policy to not use alternates, in Ubuntu we allow it
[18:42] <micahg> jtaylor: sbuild
[18:42] <siretart> no, at sbuild flag, which is not used on the buildds
[18:42] <siretart> s/at/it is an/
[18:43] <siretart> so forget about it
[18:43] <jtaylor> to me this looks wrong
[18:43] <jtaylor> I can't install both on my system
[18:43] <siretart> encoding to h264 on the buildds sounds really wrong to me
[18:44] <jtaylor> forget about the test
[18:44] <jtaylor> and forget about buildd
[18:44] <jtaylor> apt-get install libavcodec-dev libavcodec-extra-53
[18:44] <jtaylor> doesn't work
[18:44] <micahg> jtaylor: you can't have libavcodec53, libavcodec-extra-53, and libavcodec-dev, but you should be able to do that
[18:45] <jtaylor> I haven't
[18:45] <siretart> that's something that i'd be willing to investigate. I think that used to work at some point, but as indicated, I'm not entirely convinced that this was a good idea to allow in the first place
[18:45] <jtaylor> though its probably avutil as cjwatson mentioned
[18:45] <micahg> ah, there's a conflict with libavutil-dev
[18:46] <micahg> we probably have some mismatches that didn't get updated properly since most of the extra packages were removed in Debian
[18:46] <siretart> can't we just promote x264, xvid and lame to main and get rid of this libav-extra split, please?
[18:47] <siretart> that would make my life so much easier, and greatly minimize the diff to debian
[18:47] <micahg> siretart: if there are MIRs and they're not an extra security burden, it would probably be ok
[18:47] <micahg> but this late in the release cycle it probably won't happen, try for it right when R opens
[18:47] <siretart> micahg: well, in fact i've tried that before, and it seems that x264 uses gpac, which is a bit hairy for an mir.
[18:48] <micahg> siretart: hopefully the main/universe split will go away at least for build deps in 13.04 and the problem will be solved as well
[18:48] <siretart> micahg: that would be really really great and solve exactly this problem
[18:48] <siretart> micahg: is there a spec about this that I could subscribe to?
[18:49] <tumbleweed> there was discussion about it at the last UDS, so yes
[18:49] <micahg> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-finish-archive-reorg
[18:50] <siretart> micahg: excellent, thanks and subscribed
[18:51] <micahg> siretart: are you coming to UDS?
[18:51] <siretart> micahg: i'd love, but i won't have time this cycle because I'm finishing my phd thesis. maybe next time, dependending where I end up finding a job
[18:52] <micahg> ok
[19:50]  * micahg hopes to start helping more in Debian starting in R


[15:43] <davekong> Is there a command to determine whether a branch has a working tree or not?
[15:45] <davekong> Just look for a .bzr/checkout dir?
[16:16] <Wiz_KeeD> hello everyone!
[16:50] <jelmer> davekong: yes, or "bzr info" and grep for the relevant data
[16:51] <davekong> jelmer: thanks


[11:05] <vagarwal> has anyone tested conjure novalxd setup? does it work out of the box or requires one to make changes to openstack networking?
[11:06] <vagarwal> i cannot ping any instance. security groups are fine and i don't know where to look. please help
[11:20] <deanman> vagarwal, does `lxc list` bring anything up ?
[11:21] <vagarwal> deanman: lxc list is showing several containers with juju prefix with ip assigned to them
[11:22] <vagarwal> i can access openstack horizon using one of the container ip address (as provided by the installer)
[11:23] <deanman> I think to be able to ping openstack instances you have to enable ICMP rules
[11:23] <vagarwal> i can launch an instance and use "ext-net" that is infact the conjureup0 subnet (10.99.0.xxx)
[11:24] <vagarwal> deanman: that was what i thought and i can clearly see the security group has allowed everything
[11:24] <vagarwal> i can ping <IP_ADDRESS> (router ip) but i cannot ping the instance <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:25] <deanman> Hmm can you try to ssh into that machine ?
[11:25] <vagarwal> it looks like the default router setting is not correct in the conjure novalxd setup
[11:25] <vagarwal> i cannot ssh either
[11:25] <vagarwal> i did a tcpdump on my the host machine and i can see there is no reply coming for echo
[11:26] <vagarwal> possible mising some nat rules? i got no idea how ovs works, hence clueless here
[11:26] <vagarwal> s/echo/icmp echo
[11:27] <deanman> To be honest i haven't used conjure myself so i don't know how exactly it works, e.g. are VM deployed with open stack seen as LXD instances on host or are they nested ?
[11:35] <vagarwal> openstack is using lxd as well
[11:40] <deanman> so you can see extra lxc instances created on `lxc list` when using OS
[11:41] <deanman> ?
[11:41] <deanman> Maybe you could then use `lxc exec <lxd name> bash` to gain shell access inside that and check network configuration ?
[11:43] <deanman> Have you seen this ? https://www.stgraber.org/2016/10/26/lxd-2-0-lxd-and-openstack-1112/
[15:41] <kildurin> Can the openstack-base charm be installed behind a proxy?
[15:42] <kildurin> It uses "git://" addresses in the charm which I can't see a way to route to the proxy
[15:59] <marcoceppi> kildurin: openstack-base should only really use the packages unless you're installing from upstream
[15:59] <marcoceppi> kildurin: try setting your proxy settings in your model
[16:13] <vagarwal> deanman: i will look into ovs and read about neutron
[16:14] <vagarwal> i will even give a try to stgraber's method that involves manually spinning out the containers
[16:24] <deanman> vagarwal: well I was intrigued and bootstrapped stgraber's openstack just before leaving home. At least I could have a look on mine and share whether I see the same problem.