[21:59] <moghingold> cristian_c: np
[21:59] <miguelbarboza> hello
[21:59] <linuxthe2ish> holstein there is nothing wrong with the disk :(
[21:59] <linuxthe2ish> i installed windows, removed it and resized the ubuntu partition to fill the disk
[21:59] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: ? i miss where i stated there was anything wrong.. i did see a few errors where you said there were
[21:59] <Hxxx> what is the command to load mdadm drivers? to see software raid partitions?
[22:00] <cristian_c> moghingold, :)
[22:00] <Hxxx> lime d0 md1
[22:00] <linuxthe2ish> i can't use live enviroment as he dosn't have my documents :(
[22:00] <Jonii_> Does anyone know if Ubuntu 14.4 has better power management than 12.4?
[22:00] <Hxxx> md0 md1
[22:00] <Hxxx> like*
[22:00] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: in any scneario where im resizing partitions, i have my data backed up.. i have only lost a few partitions, and it was *always* from resizing like that
[22:00] <moghingold> does anyone know what could cause ubuntu not to recognize an md device specified in mdadm.conf between sessions?
[22:00] <newmember> Bashing-om: it booted to a grub prompt
[22:01] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: the live environment is what you use to do what you are trying to do, though. thats why you are having issues.. you boot the live CD and repair grub, and the file system. thats why you cant unmount, and are having isssues
[22:01] <Jonii_> 12.4 drained my laptop battery twice as fast, and it reliably crashed if I had less than 2h time remaining on battery, meaning my laptop had max 2h instead of 8h worth of battery, using 12.4
[22:01] <moghingold> i made and tested a software raid6, but then on my next boot i got a message that the device or disk for its mount point could not be found
[22:01] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: you would be able to mount the hard drive with your data from there, if need be, and backup what you like
[22:01] <Jonii_> Should I expect 14.4 do better in this respect?
[22:01] <moghingold> manual recovery got me nowhere, cat /proc/mdstat doesn't even list the device anymore, mdadm --details --scan doesn't find it
[22:01] <moghingold> nothing
[22:02] <linuxthe2ish> holstein but that linux looks to be working fine :(
[22:02] <linuxthe2ish> it's just stupid grub!
[22:02] <moghingold> i really don't want to remake it if this is just going to happen again. this is already the second time.
[22:02] <holstein> Jonii_: not unless the creator of the hardare specifically stated they were supporting 14.04.. but, its worth trying
[22:02] <daftykins> Jonii_: had you implemented any laptop power management actions?
[22:02] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: please, boot the live environment, *not* the hard drive,a nd try the boot repair.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:02] <Jonii_> daftykins: like?
[22:03] <cristian_c> moghingold, wait
[22:03] <Jonii_> daftykins: from what I inquired, every real way to improve performance would include recompiling the kernel
[22:03] <daftykins> Jonii_: in the past i've read of some laptop utils package or similar
[22:03] <cristian_c> moghingold, is there a log about mdadm?
[22:03] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: grub as worked "as advertised" in your situation.. you installed it, it worked, and you removed it..
[22:03] <cristian_c> moghingold, in /var/log
[22:04] <linuxthe2ish> holstein i needed windows to use :S
[22:04] <Jonii_> But I heard rumors that 14.4 would have some of the stuff I on 12.4 would've needed recompiling to do, come right out of the box
[22:04] <linuxthe2ish> now i can't reinstall grub again!
[22:04] <Bashing-om> newmember: Disappointing but not totally bad. from that grub prompt -> linux (hd0,msdos1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro , initrd (hd0,msdos1)/initrd.img , boot <- . do you now boot into the server ?
[22:04] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: thats fine.. but, you removed grub.. grub didnt break, or do anything other than promised.. please boot a live CD, *not* the hard drive, and repair grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:06] <moghingold> cristian_c: no
[22:06] <newmember> Bashing-om:  linux (hd0,msdos1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro
[22:07] <newmember> Bashing-om: error: file not found.
[22:08] <linuxthe2ish> holstein i tried that and some bug :S
[22:08] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: what bug? what specifically? it works as advertised here.. what bug 3?
[22:08] <holstein> #:
[22:08] <cristian_c> moghingold, ok, try to see the dmesg
[22:09] <cristian_c> :)
[22:10] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: what bug, friend? what bug did you encounter when booting the live CD and trying https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair ?
[22:11] <moghingold> bekks et al: i am going afk
[22:11] <linuxthe2ish> holstein he say i need unmount :S
[22:11] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: sure.. but thats because you are booted into the disk. try from a live environment, please.. *not* the system disk
[22:12] <Bashing-om> newmember: UNgood !// OK back to the liveDVD and let's find out why .-> sudo mkdir mnt/work , sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/work <-; pastebin -> ls -la /mnt/work/ , ls -la /mnt/work/boot . See what that tells us about the kernels and locations. Remenber to UNmount the file system when done -> sudo umount /mnt/work .
[22:12] <akurilin> Quick question: anybody here using a project with their Ubuntu box?
[22:12] <holstein> akurilin: using a project?
[22:12] <akurilin> projector, sorry
[22:13] <holstein> i have. many times and meeting
[22:13] <holstein> meetings*
[22:13] <akurilin> What about something like home use?
[22:13] <holstein> not always the same unit.. basically the same idea as another monitor
[22:13] <holstein> akurilin: it literally makes no difference if you are at home or in the driveway, or space.. the machine either works with it or not
[22:13] <akurilin> Fair enough. So you just need to drag out a dvi/vga cable to the projector and treat it just like another monitor huh?
[22:14] <akurilin> holstein: lol
[22:14] <holstein> akurilin: you connect to it via its connections.. if thats vga and/or hdmi, then sure
[22:14] <holstein> akurilin: there are some wireless options, but i dont know how those work with linux..
[22:14] <akurilin> holstein: if you don't mind me asking, since I've never owned one before, do projects not work very well if you have to point them at the wall at an angle?
[22:15] <akurilin> *projectors
[22:15] <holstein> akurilin: depends..
[22:15] <Bashing-om> newmember: also, while on my mind ... sda5 (LVM) is that an encrypted partition ? or an error in volume management ?
[22:15] <holstein> akurilin: some are better at that than others..
[22:16] <newmember> Bashing-om: not encrypted
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> 23:11 < holstein> linuxthe2ish: sure.. but thats because you are booted into the disk. try from a live environment, please.. *not* the system disk
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> noooo
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> that's before i tried to boot from super-grub
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> you told me to boot and check if it's corrupt :(
[22:17] <akurilin> holstein: I just managed to have my trusty set up as a bluetooth audio device, so I can already get pretty good sound through the box while watching movies on the ipad. Was thinking of somehow streaming the movie to the machine from the ipad as well
[22:17] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: ok.. just let a volunteer know if you have a support question
[22:17] <akurilin> Haven't had much luck with netflix on ubuntu
[22:18] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: i say, try repairing booting with a live CD, from a live environment.. never mentioned grub super disk, personally.. and im not really interested in what happened in the past.. if you are not running a live environment, please do so
[22:18] <holstein> !netflix
[22:18] <holstein> akurilin: nothing is preventing netflix support for linux
[22:18] <meek_geek> hi
[22:18] <holstein> akurilin: you are expecting ubuntu to support netflix, and that may not be possible all the time
[22:19] <newmember> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/embed.php?i=MG3SmgUp
[22:19] <akurilin> holstein: well I'm expecting netflix to support ubuntu at some point in the future, my dreams haven't come true yet though :) I remember reading about pipelight a while ago, never gave it a try though
[22:19] <Bashing-om> newmember:  Once more - UNGood! how come sda5 is a LVM volume - [Logical Volume Management] with only 1 participating partition makes no sense !
[22:19] <Bashing-om> newmember: Look'n at d.php?i=MG3SmgUp .
[22:20] <JCPlayzMinecraft> hi
[22:20] <JCPlayzMinecraft> any1 here
[22:20] <JCPlayzMinecraft> Hi
[22:20] <holstein> JCPlayzMinecraft: yes.. just ask if you have a question
[22:21] <mzaza> I am using Ubuntu on Laptop, power consumption is high and my laptop Sony Vaio S13 should give around 7 hours of battery life I only get around 2 to 3. Is there any optimization I should make to increase battery, I red somewhere about something called laptop mode?
[22:22] <daftykins> !info laptop-mode-tools
[22:22] <daftykins> mzaza: ^?
[22:22] <mzaza> daftykins: I tried  sudo powertop and I have lots of status bad
[22:22] <Bashing-om> newmember: "Embed Codes For Paste ID: MG3SmgUp" is what I get on that last, Is there something I am mising here ?
[22:23] <holstein> i woudnt expect magic though.. i typically find maybe 60% the battery life on hardware that is not specficallly made to support linux
[22:23] <ohrmus> do I need gufw?!
[22:23] <^v> halp, gcc cant find linux/limits.h
[22:23] <newmember> Bashing-om: my mistake:  http://pastebin.com/MG3SmgUp
[22:24] <daftykins> mzaza: install the above package and see how you get on
[22:24] <Bashing-om> newmember: Try'n again : ) ....
[22:24] <^v> http://hastebin.com/raw/xuxetikodi
[22:25] <mzaza> daftykins: I am sorry, but I don't get what packages you mean?
[22:26] <newmember> Bashing-om: I am remembering that most Ubuntu server installs default to LVM for the partitions.
[22:26] <daftykins> mzaza: "laptop-mode-tools" as i had ubottu report.
[22:26] <gpmcadam> hi, i have a server i need to upgrade from 11.04 to 14.04. i can only upgrade, no option to install from scratch. what's the best way to approach this? i've tried running `do-release-upgrade` but with no luck.
[22:27] <mzaza> daftykins: OK, I've also tuned some things via the powertop is that OK?
[22:27] <daftykins> mzaza: not sure if those would persist across reboot, but just have a play and see :)
[22:27] <daftykins> gpmcadam: have a look at the link in my following bot trigger to see how to do EOL upgrades
[22:27] <daftykins> !eol | gpmcadam
[22:28] <^v> meh, so which headers should i symlink to /usr/include
[22:28] <mzaza> daftykins: OK, if I used the Intel Video Driver would it improve battery life?
[22:28] <gpmcadam> daftykins: i did follow that guide, but there wasn't anything specifically for 11.04, and after following the guide for 11.10 to 12.04 (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Oneiric) I still get 404's when running `do-release-upgrade`
[22:29] <daftykins> mzaza: VAIO Pro 13 you said? i suspect intel graphics is all that's in that system?
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> mzaza, You are trying incremental stuff that will have hardly noticeable differences, getting a longer life battery would be a better option.
[22:29] <daftykins> gpmcadam: is the system a VPS or otherwise hosted server?
[22:30] <gpmcadam> yes, on amazon ec2
[22:30] <daftykins> gpmcadam: ah-haaaaaa, ok being ec2 is vastly different to dealing with a stock ubuntu machine afaiui
[22:31] <gpmcadam> daftykins: aside from the apt sources?
[22:32] <daftykins> gpmcadam: well, i have no direct experience to know if they're using any special sauce in there
[22:32] <mzaza> daftykins: Hybrid Graphics, I'm using Intel when on battery power.
[22:32] <mzaza> wilee-nilee: The battery is not bad when under Windows.
[22:32] <daftykins> what's the discrete?
[22:32] <gpmcadam> daftykins: ok, i'll look into it from an EC2 point of view then. thanks.
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> mzaza, Oh well since windows and linux are like  mirror images you should be set than, ; )
[22:33] <daftykins> gpmcadam: i did start to have a little google, saw mention of lovely backup image features which would be wise to do first...
[22:33] <gpmcadam> daftykins: already done! :)
[22:34] <daftykins> gpmcadam: \o/
[22:34] <Bashing-om> newmember: I have no idea how you could have got in this situation // please see my http://paste.ubuntu.com/7682286/ for comparison for what the '/' directory should look like. At this point I think we need to salvage what we can of your data and (RE-)install . Too many things not right !
[22:35] <daftykins> gpmcadam: ok i think i have a workaround, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:36] <gpmcadam> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/yA5vUPSC i commented all others out when trying to do the release upgrade
[22:37] <daftykins> gpmcadam: is it my tired eyes or are 1 and 3 identical?
[22:37] <gpmcadam> yeah just noticed that, removing '-security' from #1 and trying again
[22:38]  * gpmcadam sighs in releif
[22:38] <gpmcadam> that's it
[22:38] <daftykins> :)
[22:38] <gpmcadam> thanks again daftykins
[22:38] <daftykins> gpmcadam: you should be able to get up to 11.10, then as it's LTS and still supported, you should be able to switch back to amazon repos for 12.04 then
[22:39] <gpmcadam> so, just to check then. i go from 11.04 -> 11.10, then basically run do-release-upgrade until i get to 14.04?
[22:39] <daftykins> gpmcadam: well once you're on 12.04.4, in a couple of weeks the first point release of 14.04 will come out (14.04.1) then you'll be able to officially upgrade directly from 12.04.4 -> 14.04.1
[22:40] <daftykins> gpmcadam: but in fairness, 12.04.4 is still supported for a couple of years so perhaps that'd be a comfy spot to stop
[22:40] <gpmcadam> daftykins: so i won't be able to go from 12.04 to 14.04 tonight?
[22:40] <pushpop> Anyone know of a open source client less VPN server?
[22:40] <daftykins> gpmcadam: you could if you pushed it, yeah, up to you for risk
[22:41] <daftykins> pushpop: not sure what you mean by clientless, a VPN has a server and client portion always?
[22:42] <stainedhat> pushpop.. a main mode or aggressive vpn? The only way you can have a vpn without a client is to have to hardware endpoints
[22:42] <stainedhat> *two
[22:42] <newmember> Bashing-om: hmmm I see.  I am sorry its dinner now and I have to go, I will be back in 4-5 hours.  This is only a zimbra mail server so I could build a new one.  I would loose my old emails.  Lets think about it
[22:42] <mzaza> What should I check in laptop-mode-tools :D ?
[22:42] <newmember> Bashing-om: thanks maybe chat later
[22:45] <Bashing-om> newmember: OK .. I do not mind spendin a lot of time to salvage this IF you think it worth while // I am always open to a learning experience // see what results if you mount 'sda5' from the livedvd and if you are able to access 'sda5' .
[22:47] <moghingold> I am back!
[22:47] <moghingold> Does anyone know of any general direction I should start ambling in if I am to have any hope whatsoever of fixing my problem?
[22:49] <daftykins> moghingold: you could do with stating the problem again
[22:50] <moghingold> daftykins: So, I used mdadm to create a software raid 6, and then when I rebooted not only did the raid not assemble, ubuntu didn't even remember that one existed
[22:51] <moghingold> there's no /dev/md0, mdadm --details --scan returns nothing, cat /proc/mdstat returns nothing useful, as far as i can tell the only evidence that /dev/md0 ever even ever existed is in mdadm.conf
[22:51] <moghingold> which doesn't help me at all
[22:51] <moghingold> as far as i can tell
[22:52] <daftykins> this is in an install beside said RAID disks, or in a live session?
[22:52] <Dr_Dan> Questions on PPAPI plugin pepper-flash.   The website picmonkey.com (online image editor)  will crash when you select its "text" tool.  That tool supports local fonts and server-side fonts. But if you attempt to use it, pepperflash crashes.  Works fine in FF
[22:52] <moghingold> daftykins: I have ubuntu installed on the drive my computer boots from.
[22:52] <Dr_Dan> wilee-nilee: you there?
[22:53] <moghingold> other things, like the applications I have installed, my settings/preferences, changes i've made to grub, etc, are all preserved between sessions
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, barely what's up?
[22:53] <daftykins> moghingold: ok, no experience with mdadm then here i'm afraid.
[22:53] <OerHeks> Dr_Dan, on what browser does the ppapi plugin crash ?
[22:53] <trism> Dr_Dan: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=236628
[22:53] <daftykins> pepper flash so chrome/chromium
[22:54] <Dr_Dan> Google-chrome  35
[22:54] <Dr_Dan> Chromium 35
[22:54] <OerHeks> trism +1 no ppapi support for chrome/chomium
[22:54] <Dr_Dan> Yes.  Sorry
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, looks like you have better help than me carry on. ;)
[22:55] <daftykins> don't use a broken browser \o/
[22:55] <Dr_Dan> So is it the fact that picmokey is attempting to discover what local fonts there are?
[22:57] <chrirc> hi...yesterday i booted from a usb drive and installed ubuntu 13,10 on a 10 years old pc in 20 minutes...today i tried to install that on  an intel i7 and it took more than 4 hours and at last it failed to install the bootloader...why was that???
[22:59] <daftykins> chrirc: i'd be willing to bet it was more about downloading package updates and your internet connection being slower the second time
[23:00] <chrirc> no...
[23:00] <daftykins> well that's that cleared up then :D
[23:00] <chrirc> yesterday i installed from the same exact usb
[23:00] <daftykins> right, but you understand when i say updates come over the internet?
[23:01] <chrirc> but it was the same exact version and i chose not to install updates during installation
[23:03] <daftykins> chrirc: ok, well there are a lot more variables between two different systems installing so it's very tough to say - 4hrs is a bit extreme though.
[23:04] <chrirc> and at the end why bootloader failed to be installed?
[23:04] <daftykins> describe the hardware more please
[23:05] <chrirc> its really expensive hardware.....ssd drives...intel i7 4770 gigabyte motherboard
[23:07] <daftykins> chrirc: 1. do you have a live session booted on it right now? 2. did you try to install again?
[23:08] <chrirc> now i am talking from live cd on ubuntu
[23:10] <daftykins> on this system? ok, could you open the terminal and run "sudo parted -l" then paste the output of that command to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[23:11] <chrirc> what does this command do?
[23:12] <daftykins> chrirc: "man parted" will tell you. it'll output the disk and partition setup.
[23:18] <chrirc> i want to download the ubuntu 14.04 but how can i install that on usb drive and boot?   any alternative ways to install ubuntu without dvd drive??
[23:19] <daftykins> chrirc: i'm puzzled, you said you were in a live session a moment ago?
[23:19] <chrirc> yes
[23:20] <daftykins> so you want it to be installed to the flash drive instead of just running from it
[23:20] <chrirc> i am on live session that is on usb drive
[23:20] <holstein> !install
[23:20] <holstein> chrirc: there should be an install option in the menu from the live USB
[23:22] <chrirc> yes but on the usb drive its the ubuntu 13,10...how to install 14,04 on that usb?
[23:22] <holstein> chrirc: same way
[23:22] <rantic> Hi everyone, I installed a package from the software center but have no idea what it is actually called. Is there somewhere I can confirm this?
[23:22] <holstein> chrirc: use whatever tool you want to prepare the live USB wtih the 14.04 iso instead of the 13.10 iso
[23:22] <chrirc> but i am on live session....
[23:23] <rantic> chrirc, So?
[23:23] <daftykins> rantic: /var/log/apt/history.log
[23:24] <chrirc> how can i erase and install i usb that i use right now to be on ubuntu???
[23:24] <rantic> daftykins, This isn't very helpful  : o
[23:24] <daftykins> rantic: why not?
[23:24] <rantic> daftykins, This definitely isn't keeping track of installs through the software center
[23:24] <holstein> chrirc: do you have another usb stick?
[23:25] <chrirc> no...
[23:25] <holstein> chrirc: then, that will be challenging, since you are booting off the stick you want to change right now.. how are you going to deal with that?
[23:26] <chrirc> i have an ssd installed on this pc....?  can this help?
[23:26] <holstein> chrirc: sure.. you can download and store the new iso there.. then what?
[23:27] <holstein> chrirc: do you have another machine? *any* machine? any os?
[23:27] <Slart> rantic: this might be useful http://askubuntu.com/questions/145157/does-the-software-center-log-installations
[23:27] <rantic> chrirc, Do you have an android phone? you can boot off it easily with a program called DriveDroid
[23:28] <chrirc> no....i have only this machine with an ssd installed
[23:28] <rantic> Slart, I appreciate it but I gave up, that log file contains like 40-50 packages per every installation I just did
[23:28]  * holstein +1 on drivedroid.. handy!
[23:28] <rantic> Slart, the process of identifying the actual bin is embarassing right now
[23:28] <fernando_> any people speak spanish?
[23:28] <holstein> chrirc: then, what are you going to do? purchase another usb?
[23:28] <Slart> !es | fernando_
[23:28] <rantic> fernando_, I think most inhabitants of Spain
[23:29] <fernando_> thanks, Slart
[23:29] <Slart> rantic: ah.. might be a bit much to look through
[23:29] <chrirc> can i make the ssd bootable and boot from ssd?
[23:29] <rantic> Slart, If I knew the beginning of the name or something I'd try ... I grepped it a few times but I'm lost
[23:30] <Slart> rantic: do you remember what the program was supposed to do?
[23:30] <rantic> Slart, I've been searching for an alternative volume mixer/slider/switcher. It was an application literally entitled "Sound"
[23:30] <rantic> Slart, I assumed it was the utility from Gnome 3 with the quick device switcher
[23:31] <Slart> rantic: pulse audio volume applet thingy?
[23:31] <rantic> Slart, No I think that's pavucontrol?
[23:32] <Slart> rantic: yup
[23:32] <holstein> chrirc: sure, but you are trying to ultimately install there.. and you just were storing the iso there..
[23:32] <holstein> chrirc: you have *no* friends near with machines.. where you can take the iso and the USB stick and a tool, and make the new stick? how did you make the 13.10 stick?
[23:33] <Slart> rantic: and there's nothing in the software center history?
[23:34] <rantic> Slart, nothing clear :(
[23:35] <edition> hi. I have difficulty getting a particular file from a group of zip files, using grep...
[23:35] <edition> I backed up windows7, and I'm trying to get "GeneralUser*.sf2"
[23:39] <daftykins> edition: gre;
[23:39] <daftykins> oops
[23:39] <daftykins> edition: grep doesn't take files out of zip files 0o
[23:39] <edition> idk, i used unzip
[23:40] <chrirc> i have two ssd son that pc.....but the second is not formated so it does not appear now on the available drives......so i need to  format it ...but then how to make that ssd bootable?
[23:42] <holstein> chrirc: how did you make the 13.10 usb bootable stick?
[23:42] <chrirc> someone gave it to me
[23:42] <holstein> chrirc: you can use unetbootin to create bootable media out of any drive..
[23:42] <holstein> chrirc: ask them to make the 14.04 version for you..
[23:43] <holstein> chrirc: what you are about to do can be done, but its not easy in any way.. if you have access to a friends machine, do that
[23:45] <edition> what expression is needed for grep, to get the soundfont
[23:45] <holstein> the soundfont?
[23:45] <chrirc> why not easy....?  the usb drive can be easily bootable as i heard.....is it different to install ubuntu from ssd drive than usb drive?
[23:45] <holstein> chrirc: because you are juggling, since you dont have enough hardware to make this easy
[23:46] <edition> "GeneralUser*.sf2", from unzip to grep
[23:46] <holstein> chrirc: the usb drive *can* be booted. as i said, you can use unetbootin to make that iso boot off the ssd.. have you tried it?
[23:46] <edition> then I can extract the correct ZIP
[23:46] <holstein> chrirc: i would just go buy a usb stick
[23:47] <rantic> he can't use an android phone?
[23:47] <holstein> rantic: sure
[23:48] <holstein> chrirc: do you have an android phone? or any other usb device that can be used as a drive?
[23:49] <zend_> hello, which is the better OS to a netbook with 1.2Ghz dual core?
[23:49] <rantic> zend_, I'd vote for Crunchbang if you want something nice out of the box
[23:49] <holstein> zend_: "better" is always a matter of opinion and use case.. but, lubuntu will work well for that spec
[23:49] <holstein> !lubuntu
[23:50] <edition> what about xubuntu?
[23:50] <holstein> !xubuntu
[23:50] <zend_> thanks
[23:50] <edition> Why did they remove the desktop from gnome 3?
[23:51] <holstein> edition: they? you mean, why did the gnome team change gnome? ask them.. though, it still has a "desktop".. its just not like it was
[23:52] <edition> looks like a tablet desktop
[23:54] <zend_> Crunchbang is linux?
[23:54] <zend_> sorry i want say, is ubuntu?
[23:55] <holstein> zend_: no.. crunchbang is not supported here..
[23:55] <zend_> ok
[23:55] <holstein> http://crunchbang.org/ is where you would read about it
[23:56] <zend_> thank u
[23:56] <holstein> zend_: otherwise, you can try any/all live and see what you think.. i have used them all on that spec hardware
[23:56] <zend_> i want use it to make tests with ruby
[23:57] <zend_> i'll see more about..
[23:58] <edition> grep
[23:58] <holstein> zend_: you may not need a UI at all, but, all mentioned above have ruby support


[08:19] <tsdgeos> Mirv: did you get time to rebuild the packages?
[08:19] <tsdgeos> ah you did
[08:19] <tsdgeos> didn't read my emails yet
[08:20] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yeah, so no crash anymore, unity8 runs, but just black screen. bug #1403758
[08:20] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:20] <tsdgeos> well i guess it's progress
[08:20] <Mirv> yes I can like completely use it via adb shell :)
[08:21] <tsdgeos> k will give it a try and see why i can find stuff is black
[08:21] <Mirv> k!
[08:21] <tsdgeos> yesterday it was very funny since at the same time i was complaining about how gles was broken there was a discussion about that patch itself :D
[10:57] <facundobatista> Holas
[11:51] <tsdgeos> interesting unity8 needs stuff from universe
[11:51] <tsdgeos> i thoought it was all main alrady
[13:40] <om26er> Saviq, hey! will Manage Dash have search in it ?
[14:06] <cwayne_> i really wish renderers could be result-specific instead of category specific :/
[14:10] <mzanetti> om26er: it's already there in the code, but design wanted to deactivate it for now
[14:11] <om26er> mzanetti, strange, search would have helped in long lists
[14:16] <cwayne_> do we expect the store button on the manage dash to ever take you to a scopes department or anything like that?
[14:16] <cwayne_> it seems weird to have a bunch of apps listed, would kind of expect scopes
[14:31] <mzanetti> cwayne_: not sure I understand what you mean
[14:32] <mzanetti> ah, now I do
[14:32] <mzanetti> hm... fair point.
[14:32] <mzanetti> dunno about the plans
[14:34] <cwayne_> im pretty sure its not in the plans, just wishing :)
[14:45] <tsdgeos> om26er: there's no "scopes deparment" afaik
[14:46] <tsdgeos> and i think people are against it since they don't want to promote stuff as being a scope or not, but as doing something (i.e. accessing twitter) or not
[14:46] <tsdgeos> but i can be totally wrong :D
[14:46] <om26er> cwayne_, that one for you ^
[14:52] <cwayne_> tsdgeos, that is a fair point, it just seems odd that in manage dash it gives you a special button to download apps that won't show up there
[14:52] <tsdgeos> cwayne_: agreed
[15:56] <om26er> mzanetti, btw are we not using the bottom edge component from the uitoolkit ?
[15:56] <om26er> the animation with which 'Manage Dash' comes up is different from whats in the apps
[16:03] <mzanetti> om26er: no, I don't think we're using that
[16:05] <om26er> would have helped with a consistent experience


[00:00] <Nirgali42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes well this is useful
[00:01] <Nirgali42> and a touch keyboard with everything on one page rather than being paginated
[01:23] <Nirgali42> ugh 5.x downloaded to my phone
[01:24] <Nirgali42> I just had to fix the recovery and reinstall the root and dual boot apps
[01:24] <Nirgali42> it's still sitting there waiting to install... I want to delete the dang thing so it doesnt
[01:26] <Nirgali42> I recovered from  forgetting to prepare the 4.4.4 update before running it
[03:42] <Nirgali42> does this still apply? "Even if you get OpenJDK, you'll still have to deal with the display server. Ubuntu Touch uses Android's SurfaceFlinger currenty, and will switch to Mir soon, but it won't run X11. As far as I know, Java's AWT and Swing don't support either SurfaceFlinger or Mir, so they wouldn't be able to display GUIs"
[03:45] <AceLan> Nirgali42: using mir now
[03:49] <Nirgali42> AceLan: so how difficult would it be to get X11 working?
[03:50] <nhaines> Nirgali42: you'd have to start from scratch.
[03:50] <Nirgali42> okay
[03:50] <nhaines> XMir is coming along nicely, but no plans to ship it on the phone in the future.
[03:51] <Nirgali42> I found this nexus 10 so I could put pcgen on it for tabletop gaming sessions
[03:51] <Nirgali42> which is a java app
[03:52] <Nirgali42> I am happy living on the bleeding edge if there is a bit of documentation somewhere to work with XMir and start from scratch
[03:54] <Nirgali42> oops, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and think I broke the boot to android
[03:54] <Nirgali42> heh
[03:55] <nhaines> You can't apt-get upgrade on Ubuntu on mobile devices.
[03:55] <nhaines> It breaks everything.
[03:55] <Nirgali42> that should have been in big red letters in the document lol
[03:56] <Nirgali42> guess I can start over
[03:58] <Nirgali42> just to be safe
[03:58] <nhaines> Never hurts.
[03:58] <Nirgali42> but then... if I can't get pcgen on it, there isn't a point
[03:59] <nhaines> Well, there's that too.  :)
[03:59] <Nirgali42> other than to say I've done it
[03:59] <Nirgali42> but I did it
[03:59] <Nirgali42> and it's cool
[03:59] <nhaines> It's nice to give it a little spin for a bit.  :)
[04:00] <Nirgali42> I would love to support it 100% but I'm a minimalist at heart. If I don't have a need for something...
[04:00] <nhaines> I'm hoping for an Ubuntu announcement before I have to buy a tablet.
[04:00] <nhaines> Makes sense.
[04:00] <Nirgali42> what do you mean announcement?
[04:01] <nhaines> Such as "don't buy an Android tablet because an Ubuntu tablet is coming."
[04:01] <Nirgali42> ohh
[04:01] <Nirgali42> apple really put a hurt on that process, I thought ubuntu was going to drop it altogether
[04:01] <Nirgali42> but I guess there was enough interest
[04:02] <nhaines> No need.  The phone, tablet, and desktop OSes are all identical.
[04:02] <nhaines> But I want a tablet I can sync a keyboard and mouse to and have a standard desktop.  I'll pay good money for that when it gets here.
[04:02] <Nirgali42> yeah, I thought it was here already
[04:02] <Nirgali42> my mistake
[04:02] <Nirgali42> I may just put this back in the box and take it back
[04:03] <Nirgali42> unless there is a nice app for viewing files
[04:03] <nhaines> Well, there's the File Manager.  :)
[04:03] <nhaines> Convergent desktop is post 16.04 LTS, btw.  :)
[04:04] <Nirgali42> not familiar with that
[04:05] <Nirgali42> I've been out of touch with desktop technology
[04:05] <Nirgali42> I've been nothing but linux server admin for years
[04:05] <Nirgali42> using mac at work and the other one for games at home
[04:05] <nhaines> Convergence is where the phone, tablet, and desktop all run Unity 8 and the interface adapts to the display and inputs you have available on your device.
[04:06] <Nirgali42> ah
[04:06] <Nirgali42> that's nifty
[04:06] <Nirgali42> unity 8 is the current ubuntu interface right?
[04:06] <nhaines> Unity 7 is the current desktop interface, and Unity 8 is the phone interface.
[04:07] <Nirgali42> oh
[04:07] <nhaines> (But when desktop mode is added to Unity 8, it should look pretty much just like 7)
[04:07] <nhaines> So it's not a Windows 8 style of thing.  :)
[04:07] <Nirgali42> I would never dishonor a project like that
[04:08] <nhaines> Anyway, I'm *really* looking forward to going on vacation with only my phone, and then plugging it into the hotel TV and adding a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and loading up Firefox and looking at pictures of cats at the end of th night.
[04:08] <nhaines> No laptop required.  :)
[04:09] <Nirgali42> lol
[04:09] <nhaines> That's worth soooo much money to me.  (Especially as I plan for SCALE next month.)
[04:10] <Nirgali42> no kidding
[04:10] <Nirgali42> I'm sad that this hasn't happened yet
[04:11] <nhaines> Well, it's lots of work and people would rather disparage Ubuntu and Canonical than help out with Mir.  So unfortunately it's down to the small Canonical team working on it.  :)
[04:11] <Nirgali42> the way things have been going, I figured I could have picked up this nexus 10, drop ubuntu on it, plugin a mouse/keyboard and run X11 apps
[04:11] <nhaines> Nope.  Right now they're just trying to make sure that Ubuntu apps are the best they can be.
[04:12] <Nirgali42> I don't understand that statement. What's up with the relationship between canonical and the community?
[04:13] <nhaines> Just philosophical agreements.
[04:13] <nhaines> Err, disagreements.
[04:17] <Nirgali42> hee
[04:19] <Nirgali42> if you had to guess, how far off is that concept?
[04:19] <Nirgali42> as you say, it's worth quite a bit
[04:19] <Nirgali42> and should be for a lot of people
[04:20] <nhaines> Last I heard, they're targeting Ubuntu 16.10.
[04:20] <Nirgali42> oh right you said that
[04:21] <Nirgali42> that's quite a way off
[04:21] <nhaines> It's a lot of work.  :)
[04:21] <Nirgali42> the industry doesn't wait
[04:21] <nhaines> Well, Canonical haven't started working on desktop mode Unity 8 yet, but someone started in December and they merged some chagnes.
[04:22] <nhaines> So it's not like if someone started working on it and the work was compatible with Canonical's plans, it wouldn't get accepted.
[04:22] <Nirgali42> true
[04:23] <Nirgali42> that xmir thing is key
[04:24] <Nirgali42> with that, so many programs would work with minimal effort
[04:26] <nhaines> Right now I think the mouse works but others stuff doesn't.
[04:27] <nhaines> On the other hand, at some point, QT and GTK apps will just work natively on Mir.
[04:27] <nhaines> So they won't need XMir at all.  :)
[04:28] <Nirgali42> no hope for java
[04:28] <Nirgali42> but the thought had crossed me mind
[04:28] <Nirgali42> X11 is old technology
[04:29] <nhaines> 1983 if I remember.  :)
[04:30] <Nirgali42> apps should all be going the way of mir or something like it
[04:30] <Nirgali42> and it will happen if it is ported to desktop platforms
[04:30] <nhaines> Mir already runs on the desktop, it's just not very pleasant.  :)
[04:31] <Nirgali42> I should have said, succesfully ported to
[04:31] <nhaines> But apps don't need ported to Mir, only toolkits.  So that's the good news.  GTK already runs great.
[04:31] <Nirgali42> ah well apps need to be ported to toolkits
[04:31] <Nirgali42> how about a qt or gtk java interface
[04:32] <nhaines> I guess someone would have to write that.  :)
[04:32] <Nirgali42> lol
[04:32] <Nirgali42> unfortunately they are c++
[04:33] <Nirgali42> that would never happen
[04:33] <Nirgali42> I think
[04:33] <nhaines> Well, you'd have to write wrappers.  I suspect that it would make for some very happy programmers and users though.
[04:33] <Nirgali42> port java to mir and it's all good
[04:33] <nhaines> Whatever the Java toolkit is.  SWIFT or something?
[04:34] <Nirgali42> not really sure
[04:35] <Nirgali42> I remember awt
[04:35] <Nirgali42> but that was a long time ago
[04:35] <Nirgali42> FX?
[04:35] <nhaines> I dunno, I've happily stuck with Python.  :)
[04:35] <Nirgali42> yeah python is cool
[04:35] <Nirgali42> we use it at work
[04:35] <Nirgali42> for cfengine
[04:36] <Nirgali42> lots of our sysadmin tools are written in python
[04:36] <Nirgali42> no not swift
[04:36] <Nirgali42> swing
[04:39] <Nirgali42> looks like swing and javafx will be side by side for forseeable future
[04:42] <nhaines> Ah, swing!   :-D
[11:18] <mardy> chrisccoulson: hi! I'm working on making Online Accounts plugin being confined by apparmor, and I'm running into some unexpected denials when using the UbuntuWebView
[11:19] <mardy> chrisccoulson: I copy-pasted the webview template into my apparmor profile, but still I'm running into denials; I'll copy paste only the first one:
[11:20] <mardy> chrisccoulson: Jan  9 13:58:47 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 3838.708529] type=1400 audit(1420801127.138:112): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="com.ubuntu.reminders_evernote-account-plugin_0.5.latest//oxide_helper" name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/" pid=8800 comm="oxide-renderer" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=32011 ouid=0
[11:24] <mardy> chrisccoulson: this is the profile I'm using: http://pastebin.com/CS1RQkfw
[11:29] <frenda> Can I install ubuntu phone on my touch screen laptop (Acer)?
[11:29] <popey> kinda.
[11:29] <popey> frenda: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/unity-8-daily-build-images-go-live
[11:29] <frenda> Alongside Windoes 8?
[11:30] <frenda> Does it install grub?
[11:31] <popey> I don't know. I haven't installed it yet. willcooke  may know
[11:32] <willcooke> yeah
[11:32] <willcooke> it does
[11:32] <willcooke> seb128, right?  ^^
[11:33] <frenda> does grub support touch screen monitors? (laptops)
[11:33] <willcooke> not that I know of
[11:34] <frenda> Isn't there anything else to switch between OSes?
[11:36] <popey> good question.
[11:36] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/396950/tabletpc-os-selection-in-grub-using-volume-and-windows-buttons
[11:36] <popey> seems you're not the first to ask
[11:42] <frenda> S, The answer is NO!
[12:47] <seb128> willcooke, correct
[13:13] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I finally installed unity8-desktop-session-mir on my Vivid Vervet Intel BayTrail tablet. When I try to log into the Unity8-mir Session, the screen first turns black, then the mouse cursor appears in the top left corner and nothing happens. I can move the cursor over the black screen and that was about it.
[13:15] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: getting anything in ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log?
[13:17] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: "libEGL warning: unsupported platform (null)" right at the beginning doesn't look too good I suppose
[13:18] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: is this a normal vivid install?
[13:18] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: Jep
[13:18] <mzanetti> greyback: any hints?
[13:19] <greyback> mzanetti: sturmflut-work: that's actually not a critical error, it's just a nonsense message.
[13:19] <sturmflut-work> greyback: Okay
[13:19] <mzanetti> ok... sturmflut-work, anything printed after that?
[13:20] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: Yes, I'll get a clean logfile and then come back
[13:35] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I found a difference between a working Unity8-Mir-Session on a Core i5 and the non-working setup on the BayTrail tablet
[13:35] <mzanetti> which is?
[13:36] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: The installations should be identical, but as it seems on the Core i5 "libmirplatform5driver.so" is loaded versus "libmirplatform4driver.so" on BayTrail
[13:36] <mzanetti> interesting...
[13:36] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: For some reason both libraries are installed on both systems
[13:37] <mzanetti> I don't have the 5 one yet
[13:37] <mzanetti> I do have 3 and 4 though
[13:39] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I have both libmirplatform4driver-mesa_0.9.0+15.04.20141125-0ubuntu2_amd64 and libmirplatform5driver-mesa_0.10.0+15.04.20150107.2-0ubuntu1_amd64 installed
[13:40] <mzanetti> I don't have too much experience with this... it just worked for my use cases... let me fire up my vm and compare
[13:43] <greyback> sturmflut-work: we just had a new Mir release, 0.1.0. I think I heard of some packaging problems with it. Suggest you "dpkg -l | mir" and remove any mir packages that are of the older version
[13:44] <mzanetti> geez, my vm is totally outdated, only have version 3
[13:44]  * mzanetti thought he updated it 2 days ago
[13:44] <sturmflut-work> greyback: Will do. It might also be caused by some GPU driver problems, BayTrail is not a terribly stable platform.
[13:45] <mzanetti> isn't it an intel one?
[13:46] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: One would think that "Intel-powered x86 tablet" makes things easier, but in reality I'm having problems with pretty much everything from ACPI to WiFi.
[13:46] <greyback> sturmflut-work: that's a fair point
[13:47] <mzanetti> well, acpi might be vivid related too
[13:47] <mzanetti> having troubles with that on my notebook too atm
[13:49] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: They changed a lot of ACPI stuff in the 3.18 and 3.19 kernels. Some things got better, others didn't change, and some things got worse. For example the battery is not detected on my tablet and despite multiple patches which were supposed to fix the problem the issue is still open
[13:51] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: so I've upgraded my vm now and while I did get the libmirplatform5 lib, it still kept the libmirplatform3 one
[13:51] <mzanetti> indicates some packaging issue indeed and the old one should be dropped
[14:02] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: There seem to be two groups of packages present and I have the feeling that they shouldn't be there at the same time. One group is libmirplatform4*/libmirserver27, the other libmirplatform5*/libmirserver28.
[14:03] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I removed libmirplatform4*/libmirserver27 on BayTrail and voila, it takes a while, but then the language selection greeter thing appears!
[14:04] <mzanetti> woot!
[14:05] <mzanetti> kgunn: hey, unity8 + mir running on an x86 lenovo tablet ^^
[14:05] <greyback> yay
[14:06] <kgunn> very cool
[14:07] <jdstrand> mardy (and chrisccoulson): looks like the /sys/devices/system/cpu/ is simply that oxide_helper needs a new rule
[14:07] <jdstrand> mardy: I would be surprised if that was actually breaking you. can you paste all the denials?
[14:07]  * sturmflut-work wants to be back in Thailand
[14:11] <kenvandine> mandel, any luck with that fix-pause branch?
[14:13] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti, kgunn, greyback: http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/IMG_20150109_150423.jpg
[14:13] <greyback> sturmflut-work: wow :)
[14:14] <kgunn> sturmflut-work: so this was using mesa platform (not android) ?
[14:14] <kgunn> nice! btw
[14:14] <jgdx> kenvandine, hny! :) How was your time off?
[14:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, great, and your's?
[14:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, just great!
[14:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, I wanna do some RTM landings, but I'm not sure if you have a plan for the pending ones or not?
[14:15] <jgdx> if some are to be bundled or not
[14:15] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: Yep, it is a repurposed Windows 8.1 quad-core x86 BayTrail Tablet. No Android, it is a proper platform with UEFI and an Intel GPU.
[14:17] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: Actually the biggest problem was getting around the 32-bit UEFI implementation, but I hear that upcoming devices will have a proper 64-bit UEFI, so in a couple of months one can hopefully just go to a store, buy a Windows 8.1 tablet, disable Secure Boot and install stock Vivid Vervet from an USB stick
[14:17] <greyback> sturmflut-work: to increase the size of the UI, try setting the env var GRID_UNIT_PX to something higher than the default (8) - will need to set maybe in /etc/environment for all processes to read it
[14:17] <kenvandine> jgdx, i was just reviewing your networkinfo fix
[14:18] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: and to have the tablet interface do: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged
[14:19] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: to switch back to "desktop" interface set it to "Windowed" instead of "Staged"
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx, we have a pile of approved jgdx backport merge proposals
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx, but most of them aren't on the ww03 milestone
[14:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, right
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx, do you want to create the landing?
[14:20] <kenvandine> your branch i just approved is for ww03
[14:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, yeah sure, landing the networkinfo fix for rtm in its own silo?
[14:22] <kenvandine> i think there might be one more we can add
[14:22]  * kenvandine looks
[14:22] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: how do I properly log out of Unity8? Can't find the right button.
[14:22] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: in theory, pull down the rightmost indicator
[14:22] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: in practice I think it fails to properly log out atm
[14:23] <mzanetti> you're entering new territory here :)
[14:24] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I am in "Staged" mode with GRID_UNIT_PX=32 now and the tablet looks like a giant phone :)
[14:25] <mzanetti> 32 is a lot :)
[14:25] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: rotation should come soon
[14:25] <sturmflut-work> The Touchscreen works like a charm.
[14:26] <sturmflut-work> But for some reason no scopes are loaded.
[14:26] <mzanetti> hmm... *should* work
[14:26] <uhhimhere> you know i remember when ubuntu first went mainstream one of the key selling ideas that led to alot of adoptions among windows users was that it ran on basic hardware and still looked & felt decent
[14:26] <uhhimhere> and had synaptic which was like/is the app store on crack
[14:27] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: On the Core i5 installation it does, there I have scopes and stuff
[14:27]  * sturmflut-work will poke around a bit
[14:27] <uhhimhere> so you could run all this amazing stuff, multitask, play games (with tweaks) on a destined to the bin
[14:27] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: cool, keep us posted
[14:27] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, i guess that's all we have right now
[14:28] <uhhimhere> machine
[14:28] <kenvandine> mandel had a fix for one of them that we ran into problems before the break, trying to figure out if he's had any luck with that
[14:28] <kenvandine> jgdx, go ahead with a landing for just that one
[14:28] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack
[14:28] <uhhimhere> so what kind of legacy smartphone can the ubuntu-touch bring back to life?
[14:30] <jgdx> !devices | uhhimhere
[14:32] <kgunn> sturmflut-work: hey, mind if i share your jpg ?
[14:33] <kgunn> wanna brag on you :)
[14:33] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: If you give me a moment you can have even more
[14:33] <kgunn> cool!
[14:35] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152259-qcRVtUCL.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152341-n5saCTKk.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152510-eqU15kDU.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152550-oDinIC4l.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152906-fqQ7cVhk.jpg
[14:35] <uhhimhere> does UT run on dalvik or on the kernel
[14:36] <mzanetti> now that tablet looks tiny :D
[14:36] <mzanetti> uhhimhere: kernel
[14:36] <sturmflut-work> uhhimhere: It runs on "bare metal", there is no Dalvik/ART.
[14:36] <uhhimhere> nice
[14:37] <uhhimhere> why u no support Samsung Galaxy Trend/Plus/Lite/Grand?
[14:37] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: did you turn off wifi or is it broken?
[14:38] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: So here I am, playing with the indicators, and I have no battery, no WiFi, no Bluetooth and no sound. So basically the only usable indicators are Date/Time and Logout.
[14:38] <mzanetti> :(
[14:38] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: The internal WiFi/Bluetooth doesn't work, it should, there is a kernel driver, but in the end it doesn't.
[14:39] <dobey> why would the sdk complain that manifest.json is missing from the .ubuntu-sdk-deploy directory when trying to build a click, when the file is clearly there (as proven by running ls)?
[14:40] <bzoltan> dobey: I can take a look if you share the project with  me
[14:41] <bzoltan> dobey: and let's ask zbenjamin too
[14:42] <dobey> bzoltan: lp:~dobey/pay-ui/adt-run-ap is the branch where i'm hitting this issue
[14:43] <dobey> bzoltan: you might need to "maintain" the click chroot and install intltool and libubuntuoneauth-2.0-dev
[14:43] <dobey> to be able to build it
[14:47] <bzoltan> dobey:  the libubuntuoneauth-2.0-dev does not install in my armhf 14.10 chroot
[14:49] <bzoltan> dobey:  now it does
[14:49] <dobey> ok
[14:50] <uhhimhere> why u no support openmoko freerunner?
[14:50] <bzoltan> dobey:  but still '--   package 'ubuntuoneauth-2.0' not found' and cmake fails
[14:50] <dobey> bzoltan: huh
[14:51] <dobey> bzoltan: did it install the x86 one? maybe you need to install it with the :armhf appendage?
[14:51] <mardy> jdstrand: here are all the denials I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9698751/
[14:52] <bzoltan> dobey:  I did that ... it is a different problem. My device has the wrong kit
[14:52] <dobey> bzoltan: oh, ok
[14:52] <flipapy> hey so will the 'ubuntu touch phone' still have the ability to be a pvc?
[14:52] <dobey> uhhimhere: the openmoko phone from like 2007?
[14:52] <flipapy> pc*?
[14:52] <popey> flipapy: not the first one, later it will
[14:53] <uhhimhere> dobey: 2008 yesss
[14:53] <flipapy> aw popey that's like the main reason i want one, and how about the ubuntu tablet, can that becoem a pc?
[14:53] <popey> not yet
[14:53] <dobey> uhhimhere: it's too old/slow/etc i would guess
[14:53] <dobey> why do people want phones to be PCs?
[14:54] <flipapy> i want everything i need to be mobile, and research is so much faster and easier to access as a pc with large screens
[14:54] <dobey> is there a phone on the market with a core i7, 16 GB RAM, and 1TB ssd?
[14:54] <cecja> because the hardware is overpowered to be just a "phone"
[14:54] <cecja> dobey: not everyone needs workstation performance.
[14:54] <flipapy> awesome, that would rock, and there is a tablet with siilar specs i think
[14:54] <flipapy> i think its a windos tablet/ power tablet or something
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> try to state this to iphone users who buy 1000%
[14:55] <bzoltan> dobey:  Done ... cmake works .. I had to install the libubuntuoneauth-2.0:armhf too ... why??? odd
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> $
[14:55] <uhhimhere> dobey: but in pc ubuntu make old hardware look like supa car, why u no think ubuntu can give breath of fresh air to modest platform from 2007
[14:55] <cecja> flipapy: yes the microsoft surface pro 3 has this specs...
[14:55] <dobey> uhhimhere: if you want it to work, feel free to port it
[14:56] <dobey> trust me, ubuntu is incredibly slow on my laptop from 2007/2008
[14:56] <flipapy> yeah there you go, but i want to be able to use my tablet as a full on omcputer with keyboard and large second screen full sized mouse, then just take it with me and go yippy. i'm free yadda yadaa using wifi/4g as necessary.
[14:56] <uhhimhere> dobey: i used to lay steam games on ubuntu from laptop 2007
[14:56] <uhhimhere> dobey: very good
[14:57] <uhhimhere> dobey: mush bettr dan windos
[14:57] <dobey> i'm sure there are a few laptops from then where it might be slightly reasoanble performance wise
[14:57] <dobey> but the vast majority are not
[14:58] <bzoltan> dobey:  it is possible that the syntax of the manifest file is not correct and that is why it fails
[14:59] <dobey> bzoltan: how can i verify that? and can we get a better error message if that is the case becuase "missing" and "invalid syntax" are very different problems :)
[15:04] <bzoltan> dobey: sure the message could be smarter ... the manifest file should be editable in the QtC. I can not tell you straight what the problem is... but I would go with a simpler project structure ... like disable first the test stuff
[15:06] <dobey> bzoltan: i'm trying to add the test stuff
[15:07] <dobey> doh
[15:07] <bzoltan> dobey: At least we know where the problem entered :) So it seems that the manifest file is incorrect .. where did you get that structure?
[15:07] <dobey> so i see the problem now that i realize that error is a lie
[15:07] <dobey> two missing closing braces
[15:07] <dobey> now it works
[15:08] <dobey> i'll file a bug against sdk about the error message
[15:08] <dobey> thanks bzoltan
[15:08] <flipapy> i lie the future of ubuntu computing, personally i like less gaming rigs and more streamlining, less boxes, more mobility.
[15:08] <bzoltan> dobey:  I am not so sure that it is the sdk what makes that message
[15:08] <flipapy> like*
[15:08] <flipapy> the game quality will suffer will it not?
[15:09] <bzoltan> dobey:  I suspect the click here
[15:09] <dobey> flipapy: steamos doesn't support arm platform as target
[15:09] <bzoltan> dobey:  but please file a bug and I will check it on Monday
[15:09] <dobey> bzoltan: ok
[15:09] <flipapy> maybe if the tv itself is a massive gaming rig. then yeah, the gaming on a 64"  flat screen  working with the rear components of a super laptop  thatwould make a great gaming rig
[15:09] <flipapy> dobey: but im talking about maybe a year or 2 in the future
[15:11] <dobey> flipapy: so am i. it was hard enough getting to the point where companies actually have their proprietary games ported to linux at all. most of them are 32-bit x86. getting them ported to arm would be very costly
[15:11] <dobey> especially in any way they could be performant on arm
[15:11] <jdstrand> mardy: the other denials seem to be a result of not using the 'networking' policy group?
[15:11] <flipapy> why cant linux dev's build the ports?
[15:11] <jdstrand> mardy: eg, you should be able to make them go away by using "#include <abstractions/nameservice>"
[15:12] <jdstrand> (which is in the networking policy group)
[15:12] <flipapy> or if ubuntu thin client can run windows software, why cant it run windows gaming?
[15:12] <mardy> jdstrand: oh, I'm afraid you are right; I'll try that
[15:12] <davmor2> flipapy: proprietary games are not open source and the games companies will likely not open them up
[15:12] <flipapy> or a modificatio of the windows software client that can run windows gaming?
[15:12] <dobey> flipapy: you can't run x86 games on arm
[15:13] <dobey> flipapy: and proprietary is proprietary
[15:13] <davmor2> flipapy: speed and game performance
[15:13] <flipapy> right, does it have to be arm? isnt the ubuntu phone os going to incorporate more and more devices and hardware as time goes by?
[15:13] <flipapy> wont they use snap dragon, and eventually nvidia and intel phone chips?
[15:13] <dobey> flipapy: a phone will never be a real PC. it might have the same interface when you dock it, but it's still the same phone hardware. in the same way that a Honda Fit and an F1 race car have the same interface, but are very different machines.
[15:15] <dobey> it's not a matter of ubuntu vs ubuntu phone; there is only one ubuntu. the OS can run on a wide range of hardware, but all available software may only run on some of the hardware, not all of it
[15:17] <dobey>  but sure, in environments where all the work is done on a mainframe/supercomputer cluster somewhere, and all you need locally is a thin client, a docked phone with kb/mouse behaving more like a traditional PC interface, will be quite usable
[15:17] <flipapy> im not going to get into metaphors - but i think as the tech gets smaller, the phones will dock with the tablet and can dock the phone with the tv, or the tablet with the tv, or both with the tv and have a maximized gaming experience. i think it is possible. to combine the power of the phone the tablet and the tv hardware, smart hardware inside the tv, to make a decent gaming experience. is it worth it? maybe not, is it better to conside
[15:17] <flipapy> r that the tv should serve as the main pc then the tablet and phone are peripherals? yes robably, but i still like hte idea of increasing a media/ gaming/ office expereience by combining the tablet phe and tv/pc units
[15:17] <flipapy> aw sorry that was big
[15:17] <dobey> it wasn't a metaphor, it was a simile
[15:18] <dobey> or analogy
[15:18] <flipapy> i iddnt call it a metaphor, i want to stay clear of illusion completely
[15:18] <mardy> jdstrand: thanks, that helped. Now, what is the syntax to allow creating a directory and any subdirectories and files inside it?
[15:18] <flipapy> diddnt*
[15:18] <dobey> the problem with "tech gets smaller" is that it isn't
[15:18] <flipapy> the internals of the tech is not getting smaller?
[15:19] <dobey> phones are getting bigger
[15:19] <flipapy> they arent fitting more into smaller spaces inside the phopnes?
[15:19] <jdstrand> mardy: assuming you want 'owner':
[15:19] <dobey> i have a laptop that is smaller than a lot of phones on the market now
[15:19] <flipapy> cpu's arent becoming more complex using the same small space?
[15:19] <jdstrand> mardy: owner /path/to/dir/ rw,
[15:19] <jdstrand> mardy owner /path/to/dir/** rwk,
[15:19] <flipapy> im talking about the internals
[15:19] <flipapy> thats what will make the unit more capable of running a decent game
[15:19] <dobey> flipapy: i don't care about the internals if i can't fit it in my pocket :)
[15:19] <mardy> jdstrand: cool, thanks
[15:20] <jdstrand> mardy: the first is the directory itself, the second is everything under it. I added 'k' for locking
[15:21] <mardy> jdstrand: excellent, it's working! Now I get these, but they don't appear to be fatal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9698941/
[15:22] <jdstrand> /sys/devices/system/cpu/ we should add to the webview policy (can you mention it in the bug?)
[15:22] <jdstrand> the other is something evernote is using isn't honoring TMPDIR, or your tests aren't setting it
[15:23] <mardy> jdstrand: mmm... I get a few messages like this from oxide: [0109/182026:ERROR:connection.cc(1060)] Cookie sqlite error 14, errno 0: unable to open database file, sql: INSERT OR REPLACE INTO meta (key,value) VALUES (?,?)
[15:24] <jdstrand> mardy: are those old or new with this run?
[15:24] <mardy> jdstrand: new
[15:24] <jdstrand> it is probably those /var/tmp things
[15:24] <mardy> jdstrand: I see that for ~/.local/share we are using "mrwkl", maybe I should use the same?
[15:25] <jdstrand> you should've seen denials if rwk wasn't enough. feel free to use mrwkl if you need mmap and hard linking
[15:26] <jdstrand> mardy: what is launching this process?
[15:26] <mardy> jdstrand: yes, even adding those, I still get those messages
[15:26] <jdstrand> interesting
[15:26] <mardy> jdstrand: online-accounts-service, via QProcess
[15:26] <jdstrand> mardy: well, maybe note-- do you have any explicit denies?
[15:27] <mardy> jdstrand: and the process does a aa_change_profile on startup
[15:27] <mardy> jdstrand: you mean if I see denials about this in the syslog? no, I don't
[15:27] <jdstrand> mardy: (so, online-accounts-service should probably set TMPDIR=@{HOME}/.cache/online-accounts-ui/id-*-@{APP_PKGNAME}_@{APP_APPNAME}/ to get rid of the need for /var/tmp access (which we won't be able to allow))
[15:28] <jdstrand> mardy: no, I meant 'deny' rules. let me look at your paste
[15:28] <jdstrand> deny @{HOME}/.config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db* w, ?
[15:29] <jdstrand>   # FIXME: LP: #1220713 - online accounts currently tries rw and falls back to
[15:29] <jdstrand>   #        ro. This can go away once an access() LSM hook is implemented. For
[15:29] <jdstrand>   #        now, just silence the denial.
[15:29] <jdstrand>   deny @{HOME}/.config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db* w,
[15:29]  * jdstrand wonders if this isn't doing that fallback properly
[15:29] <mardy> jdstrand: I think that's correct
[15:29] <jdstrand> (or if this is the denial at all)
[15:30] <jdstrand> that's the only deny rule I see that is obviously for online accounts
[15:30] <tsdgeos> boiko: any idea when https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/dialer-app/AllIsNotAll/+merge/243049 will land?
[15:31] <jdstrand> mardy: you can test by commenting out the 'deny @{HOME}/.config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db* w,'. you should see a denial if it is the thing causing the problem
[16:20] <Saviq> mardy, I'm in something of a loop of OA asking me to authorize the youtube scope to access my G account... anything you'd find interesting or shall I just disable youtube accessing my acct?
[16:31] <boiko> tsdgeos_: hi, so, we tried to land it end last year, but the dependency change in there was causing a lot of trouble, which end up blocking the landing of some critical features
[16:31] <boiko> tsdgeos_: I will try to land it now
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> boiko: cll
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> ckk
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> cool i mean
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> damn keyboard :D
[16:31] <boiko> tsdgeos_: I was about to google what cll and ckk stand for :)
[16:48] <DS-McGuire>  I have pushed an app to the store however I can't find it if I boot and an emulator and try and download it. Any idea why?
[16:51] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: is your package i386 compatible or only armhf?
[16:51] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, Hmm, I can't remember. I shall check.
[16:53] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, i386
[16:53] <popey> DS-McGuire: which app?
[16:53] <DS-McGuire> popey, That golf one.
[16:53] <popey> its marked     Architecture independent
[16:55] <DS-McGuire> popey, So it is. What would I need to do to change that?
[16:55] <popey> why would you want to?
[16:55] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: what's it called? searching for 'golf' doesn't show anything on my device
[16:55] <popey> yeah, i dont see it on my device either
[16:55] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: architecture independent is correct if you don't have any compiled stuff in it
[16:55] <popey>     ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1 is probably why
[16:55] <Elleo> ah
[16:55] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, popey That what's I mean, it's in the store but I can't see it.
[16:55] <popey> that framework doesn't exist on the device
[16:56] <popey> change the framework to 14.10 and it will
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> popey, I assumed because the phones are 15.04 it needed to be that.
[16:56] <popey> they arent
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> are they not?
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> Well... God damnit hahah!
[16:56] <popey> ubuntu-sdk-14.10
[16:56] <popey> use that
[16:56] <popey> well, some might be
[16:57] <popey> but not all
[16:57] <beuno> also, frameworks aren't really connected to ubuntu versions
[16:57] <beuno> we might ship 15.04 with the 14.10 framework
[16:57] <beuno> maybe
[16:57] <beuno> :)
[16:58] <DS-McGuire> Makes sense. When you say use Ubuntu sdk 14.10 do you mean the ubuntu sdk version on Ubuntu 14.10?
[16:59] <DS-McGuire> popey, Forget to ping ^
[16:59] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: it's not related to the SDK version you're using to develop with, you just need to change the framework that you request in the manifest
[16:59] <beuno> well, it means a specific set of APIs you depende on
[17:01] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, Perfect, thank you. I was just making sure.
[17:09] <mardy> Saviq: sorry, I saw your message just now. No, just disable the account, we are working on it :-)
[17:09] <Saviq> mardy, ok, thanks
[17:43] <seb128> popey, that report is not a bug, we stopped to check for updates on settings start because it was creating issues and wrong
[17:45] <seb128> the issue was that the banner would show after  few seconds and shift content and make you hit wrong targets
[17:45] <DS-McGuire> When debugging I have this warning: This project is using the experimental QML API extensions for QtWebKit and is therefore tied to a specific QtWebKit release. Is that something important that would stop my app from running on a device?
[17:45] <seb128> check the closed bugs I guess
[17:53] <popey> seb128: oh, okay.
[17:53] <Laney> we should have something which checks for updates periodically though
[17:53] <Laney> before it'd do that when you opened u-s-s
[18:19] <pmcgowan> Laney, popey seb128 once we have a better background service to get status from it can get re-enabled in some way, but that work stalled a bit
[18:19] <pmcgowan> its on strehl team backlog as I recall
[18:33] <popey> pmcgowan: ok
[19:29] <kenvandine> bfiller, we need to land a branch in rtm to enable testability of the wizard, the bug isn't targeted for the  milestone but is tagged qa-automation-testing
[19:30] <kenvandine> bfiller, that should be fine to land right?
[20:23] <ahayzen> Hi, i'm on rtm (mako 157) and I keep getting an issue where after medium/long periods of the device being locked. When I come to unlock it the first press does not turn the screen on, the second causes it to turn on and then instantly off again. It then requires a third press to 'wake' the device. Is this a known issue or is anyone else having it and how would I debug it?
[20:34] <pngo> ahayzen, I have no such problem
[20:36] <ahayzen> pngo, i'm not sure which project i would report a bug against... or where to debug lol
[20:36] <pngo> ahayzen, me too
[20:53] <dobey> ahayzen: maybe against qtubuntu which provides android/hybris integration to the qt UI
[20:53] <dobey> ahayzen: at least, it's a good starting point for that
[20:53] <ahayzen> dobey, are there any logs i can investigate?
[20:54] <ahayzen> dobey, hah as soon as a plugged it in it turned the screen on
[20:55] <ahayzen> dobey, maybe a powerd thing
[20:55] <dobey> i don't know
[20:55] <dobey> i wish plugging my phone in would turn the screen on and pop a "charging" notification
[20:56] <dobey> it staying a solid black brick when i plug it in is a bit disconcerting
[21:01] <ahayzen> dobey, i wonder if qtmir maybe a better place ... but idk lol
[21:01] <dobey> probably not
[21:02] <ahayzen> ok i'll do it against qtubuntu for now and see what people suggest
[22:05] <tomdp> Is anyone aware of any effort to port Ubuntu to the Nexus 6? I found no information about any projects after checking the Devices page on the wiki and scouring Google.
[22:13] <dobey> tomdp: nope


[00:52] <snap-l> hot cocoa = a+
[02:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: awesome
[02:54] <brousch> omgwtf. digikam found 23 copies of one photo. 23!
[02:56] <brousch> at the current rate i estimate it will take me 3 months to clean all of this out. awesome
[04:02] <snap-l> woot
[12:51] <rick_h_> morning everyone
[12:59] <Wolfger> morning
[13:05] <Wolfger> Blazeix: Tried :set rnu... "Unknown option". What vi clone are you using?
[13:06] <rick_h_> what about :set relativenumber
[13:06] <rick_h_> he's using the latest vim from arch, so 7.3 something probably
[13:07] <Wolfger> relativenumber also not working. I'm on vim 7.2 on Win XP
[13:08] <rick_h_> might be a 7.3 thing
[13:08] <rick_h_> upgrade!
[13:08] <rick_h_> you're like a year behind
[13:08] <Wolfger> :-p
[13:08] <rick_h_> 2010-08-15
[13:08] <rick_h_> more than a year!
[13:10] <rick_h_> yea, looks like that was a 7.3 thing
[13:10] <Wolfger> urg
[13:10] <Wolfger> McAfee Web Gateway
[13:10] <rick_h_> really?
[13:11] <Wolfger> "Download in progress. Please Wait"
[13:11] <rick_h_> to vim.org?
[13:11] <Wolfger> but nothing's happening
[13:11] <rick_h_> sec
[13:11] <Wolfger> No, I got to vim.org, but it's hosing up my download
[13:11] <brousch> vim is evilware. use eclipse
[13:12] <Wolfger> ok, got it now
[13:12] <rick_h_> ok then, I was uploading it to my s3 bucket
[13:12] <Wolfger> combo of McAfee and NoScript
[13:12] <Wolfger> once I allowed vim.org, mcafee completed the download
[13:13] <brousch> rick_h_: you are among some great python hackers at canonical http://fwierzbicki.blogspot.com/2011/11/contributing-to-jython.html
[13:14] <rick_h_> brousch: why I came here.
[13:14] <rick_h_> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/index.shtml works here
[13:14] <brousch> yeah
[13:15] <rick_h_> http://barry.warsaw.us/software/index.html
[13:15] <brousch> geez
[13:16] <rick_h_> and that's just the top of the head guys
[13:16] <rick_h_> use a LOT of python
[13:17] <brousch> is the juju thing python?
[13:17] <rick_h_> not sure, I've honestly not looked at it closely yet
[13:17] <brousch> now i wonder if canonical or google has more python code
[13:18] <rick_h_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju/juju/trunk/files
[13:18] <rick_h_> python
[13:18] <Wolfger> Hmm.  That's why. ;)
[13:34] <rick_h_> I knew you'd catch it sooner or later
[13:34] <snap-l> Surprised you're not taking it back.
[13:43] <brousch> damnitall. carriers are making me not want to recommend android to people
[13:43] <rick_h_> heh, what did they do now?
[13:43] <brousch> my boss got a new android phone but it started making crazy sounds during calls
[13:44] <brousch> he took it in, they installed task killer because the problem was caused by all the crap verizon installed on the phone
[13:44] <snap-l> Lovely.
[13:45] <brousch> my dad got one and had to return it 2 times because the antenna was bad, and the mic on his exchanged unit was bad
[13:45] <brousch> not carrier there, i suppose
[13:46] <brousch> at least with windows computers full of dell crapware you can uninstall it
[13:48] <brousch> i will whine on twitter. that is sure to get results
[14:01] <Wolfger> lol
[14:02] <Wolfger> my only real issue with my Android phone is that the notification sounds for e-mail, etc will play while I'm on a call. Very annoying.
[14:03] <brousch> hm, i don't notice that
[14:03] <brousch> but i am on a call like 20mins/mo
[14:11] <snap-l> I really think Apple had the right idea in telling the carriers (AT&T) what they could and could not do with their phones
[14:12] <snap-l> Because carriers are like PC manufacturers: Shovel in more shit until something blows up, then scoop out what caused the explosion and ship it
[14:13] <brousch> i didn't realize how bad it had gotten, i've been using cyanogenmod for so long
[14:14] <snap-l> I'd be willing to bet that most of everyone's problems with Windows are directly related to the crap the manufacturers ship on the machine pre-installed
[14:15] <brousch> and viruses
[14:15] <snap-l> Well, that's a post-install modification. :)
[14:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> windows sucks when it gets bogged down with all the crap they dump on your system
[14:17] <brousch> mydogsnameisrudy: yeah, and now they've started doing that on android phone
[14:17] <brousch> but it's worse because you can't actually uninstall the crap
[14:17] <snap-l> my favorite are the utilities that essentially break all human interface guidelines
[14:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya i have a android with att thinking of leaving att
[14:17] <snap-l> it's like someone took an Adobe AIR app and made it core.
[14:20] <Wolfger> speaking of destroying Android... http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/tech/mobile/facebook-buffy-phone-report/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6
[14:28] <snap-l> Yeah, right.
[15:54] <brousch> crap, i should have put some names in my question, could have slipped in rick_h_ among foord and warsaw
[15:54] <snap-l> brousch: ?
[15:54] <snap-l> Oh, Ask Mark?
[15:55] <brousch> in the ask sabdfl session
[15:55] <jjesse> is that happening now/
[15:55] <jjesse> ?
[15:55] <brousch> 5 minutes left
[15:55] <jjesse> ah forgot to set a reminder
[15:55] <snap-l> Me too
[15:56] <brousch> don't you follow jcastro on twitter?
[15:56] <brousch> he's sabdfl's minder today
[15:56] <jjesse> whats this twitter you talk about
[15:56] <jjesse> if its not on g+ i don't see it
[15:59] <snap-l> It was on G+ a well
[15:59] <snap-l> as
[16:02] <brousch> jjesse snap-l http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/23/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[16:03] <snap-l> And it hasn't updated.
[16:03] <snap-l> OK, now ithas.
[16:08] <snap-l> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/23/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t15:27 <- Pendulum's question
[16:08] <snap-l> I don't buy that answer for a second.
[16:09] <brousch> someone hacked the siri protocol and are writing an android app using it
[16:09] <snap-l> vala is ok. Go is the future <- WTF?
[16:10] <brousch> yeah, i don't get that one
[16:11] <snap-l> brousch: I like your question re: Gnome Shell
[16:11] <snap-l> but there will always be people who are upset because they cannot make the launcher bright pink <- Dismissive, but fair. ;)
[16:12] <snap-l> ClassBotgianlucadv asked: in the future, will launchpad support git?15:44
[16:12] <snap-l> sabdflthe future is a very big place
[16:12] <snap-l> *cough*
[16:44]  * rick_h_ links to lunch...first real code review...ugh. I've been thrashed
[16:45] <rick_h_> /links/limps
[16:45] <rick_h_> damn, can't type any more either
[16:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://mitechie.com/go/to/lunch
[16:47] <snap-l> (api call)
[16:48] <rick_h_> let it be known...I write crappy code
[16:48] <rick_h_> :)
[16:49] <brousch> well crap, what does that make mine?
[16:50] <ColonelPanic001> what brousch said.
[16:51] <snap-l> My code smells like Grandma.
[16:52] <rick_h_> I should use it like a "find the things that are different game"
[16:52] <brousch> my code smells like great grandma, and she's been dead for more than a decade
[16:52] <rick_h_> go through the file of code and see how many things I got ding'd on you can find
[16:52] <snap-l> Like th "How Not to Write C++" book?
[16:52] <snap-l> I smell a blog series.
[16:53] <rick_h_> hah
[16:53] <snap-l> And after the initial "huh", it's not that bad of an idea.
[16:58]  * snap-l really needs to come up with a way to quickly spin-up VMs.
[16:59] <rick_h_> http://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/mmu1c/the_vim_learning_curve_is_a_myth/
[16:59] <rick_h_> flame headlines ftw
[17:01] <snap-l> Ruh roh
[17:02] <snap-l> Cyber Monday Apress: Every eBook $15
[17:02] <rick_h_> bah, what good are books, you still get thrashed at code reviews :P
[17:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: Failure just means you found something that doesn't work
[17:03] <snap-l> that's all
[17:03] <snap-l> Get back up on the horse, pilgrim
[17:04] <snap-l> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9564/listen.pls <-
[17:04] <snap-l> Current song playing is making me want to gag
[17:04] <snap-l> Brighteye Brison - The Magician's Cave, from the 2011 album The Magician Chronicles Part One
[17:04] <snap-l> Lyrics are hoooooooooorible
[17:13] <greg-g> snap-l: what is the station
[17:13]  * greg-g doesn't trust ip-only urls :)
[17:33] <snap-l> Delicious Agony Prog-rock radio
[17:33] <snap-l> I wouldn't steer you wrong
[17:41] <snap-l> And now they're playing on eof my favorite bands, Spock's Beard
[17:42] <greg-g> oh right, I forgot about that station
[17:43]  * greg-g grumbles at Banshee's lack of export/import of radio/podcasts
[17:43] <snap-l> Yeah, that is a major bummer
[17:47] <greg-g> dude, google.co.uk is awesome today
[17:53] <jjesse> that is preety sweet
[17:55] <snap-l> That was pretty cool
[18:22] <greg-g> "If you're hiring, the best technical interview possible is the one you don't have to do because the candidate is already kicking ass on one of your open source projects."
[19:02] <snap-l> "Am I coding too much, or thinking too much about coding?"
[19:02] <snap-l> "Why does it hurt when I pee?"
[19:04] <Wolfger> "What music should I listen to while I code?"
[19:05] <ColonelPanic001> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/120613/what-version-control-system-can-manage-all-aspects
[19:05] <brousch> Wolfger: whatever snap-l tells you to
[19:06] <rick_h_> "what kind of puppy is the best to punch when you're really reaching the end of the line?"

[19:06] <rick_h_> you guys see the "Apache considered harmful...they force using svn" stuff today?
[19:06] <rick_h_> talk about punch puppy worthy crap
[19:06] <Wolfger> lol
[19:06] <Wolfger> no animal cruelty, please
[19:07] <rick_h_> sorry, either puppy or baby and I can't swing to the baby side yet
[19:07] <brousch> are puppies or babies better to punch if i'm having problems with vim?
[19:07] <snap-l> rick_h_: Dogfooding. ;)
[19:07] <brousch> muahahah
[19:07] <Wolfger> punch the homeless. Nobody cares about them, and they're more durable.
[19:08] <Wolfger> They probably wouldn't even complain if you gave them money after.
[19:08]  * Wolfger is going to hell...
[19:08] <snap-l> Wolfger: We are all several missed paychecks from being homeless
[19:12] <snap-l> I swear, every downloader in existence shold just be a front-end to wget
[19:17] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCvX2N-RoEg ok, this stops me from wanting to punch puppies
[19:18] <snap-l> What the hell
[19:19] <snap-l> (Trying to download netbeans, and seeing it freeze at exactly 72%, each time)
[19:19] <brousch> netbeans? really?
[19:19] <brousch> i thought it was dead
[19:19] <snap-l> Trying something for a customer.
[19:20] <brousch> thaumaturgy?
[19:22] <snap-l> I think you mean necromancer
[19:22] <snap-l> thaumaturgy is miracle working. :)
[19:23] <brousch> isn't bringing something back from the dead a miracle?
[19:24] <brousch> God, the ultimate necromancer?
[19:24] <snap-l> necromancy is generally regarded as the art of bringing back the dead for nefarious purposes
[19:25] <snap-l> Necromancy is a claimed form of magic that involves communication with the deceased, either by summoning their spirit in the form of an apparition or raising them bodily, for the purpose of divination, imparting the ability to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge. The term may sometimes be used in a more general sense to refer to black magic or witchcraft.[1][2]
[19:25] <snap-l> I think there's a fine line between resurrection of the dead vs. necromancy
[19:26] <Wolfger> I think there's no line
[19:26] <snap-l> http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/abydos/
[19:27] <snap-l> "Abydos: The merest whisper of the name sends shivers down the spines of the God-fearing people of Yrth. What lurks in the forbidden city of Abydos is so great a heresy, the Church suppresses all mention of its very existence. But such loathing has no meaning for the shambling, silent bodies who roam the streets of Abydos. The undead are the greatest resource of the necromantic priests who practice
[19:27] <snap-l> their dark heresies in that city. Their beliefs and mandates are backed by the blades of highly trained soldiers and a very silent majority."
[19:27] <snap-l> "Warning! GURPS Banestorm: Abydos describes a culture wherein the living interact with the dead in ways that most readers would deem "intimate" and/or "disrespectful," and thus inappropriate. These elements may offend some readers. Please consider your gaming group's sensibilities before introducing this material into your campaign!"
[19:27]  * Wolfger waits for somebody to point out the usage of defibrillators to bring people back to life...
[19:28] <_stink_> or medical cooling
[19:28] <snap-l> Wolfger: That's regarded as life-saving, not bringing someone back from death
[19:28] <greg-g> define death
[19:29] <Wolfger> snap-l: from no heartbeat to yes heartbeat... sounds pretty clear-cut to me. :-)
[19:29] <snap-l> I can't use a defibrillator to bring back Steve Jobs.
[19:29] <greg-g> for some definitions of death I was once dead
[19:29]  * greg-g drowned as a kid to the point of not breathing/no heart beat.
[19:29] <Wolfger> ok, ok, so defibrillators can only bring back the mostly-dead.
[19:29] <_stink_> that's what i took away from a story on medical cooling... that we don't really have a good definition of death
[19:29] <snap-l> Were you declared dead to the point where they gave up all hope of resuscitation?
[19:29] <_stink_> greg-g is a zombie?
[19:30] <greg-g> mom/dad did cpr for a while, brought me back, then I have pneumonia and was in the hosptial for the next month-ish
[19:30] <_stink_> dang
[19:30] <greg-g> s/have/had/
[19:30] <brousch> is that why you don't like to swim now?
[19:30] <greg-g> snap-l: no, but its more fun to say that I was dead at one point ;)
[19:30] <Wolfger> greg-g is a zombie? I knew it!
[19:30] <greg-g> brousch: I *love* swimming
[19:31] <snap-l> greg-g: Definitely shocks the conversation
[19:31] <greg-g> brb
[19:32] <snap-l> Anyways, it's interesting that we went from a throw-away comment about netbeans to necromancy to defining death.
[19:32] <snap-l> Only on the internet.
[19:32] <Wolfger> always fun in #ubuntu-us-mi
[19:32] <Wolfger> snap-l: not true. I've had such conversations in meatspace
[19:33] <snap-l> You've talked about Netbeans in meatspace? :)
[19:33] <_stink_> gahaha
[19:33] <Wolfger> so much so that my group of friends coined the phrase "once again, as always, we digress"
[19:33] <Wolfger> snap-l: don't be silly. Nobody talks about netbeans
[19:55] <rick_h_> ok, code updated and resubmitted for another beating.
[19:55] <rick_h_> talk of moving CHC to a bar coming quickly lol
[19:56] <snap-l> heh
[19:57] <brousch> this is supposedly the biggest bar night of the year. i never understood that
[19:58] <rick_h_> people travel by day, hit the bar in their new local by night
[20:00] <greg-g> and they want to spend the least amount of time with family so they go see old friends at the bar the night before instead
[20:00] <greg-g> plus, people can sleep in tomorrow before the football game ;)
[20:00] <rick_h_> exactly!
[20:00] <rick_h_> in-laws!!!!!
[20:02] <greg-g> alright, back to the home office for lunch and post lunch work :)
[20:03] <snap-l> "from the home office in greg-g's living room"
[20:12] <rick_h_> ok, I give up...wonder if the machine shops are looking for someone to push the green button
[20:13] <snap-l> rick_h_: Relax
[20:13] <snap-l> new job, new coding conventions
[20:14] <_stink_> you expect to be productive 10 days in??
[20:14] <_stink_> man
[20:14] <_stink_> be realistic
[20:14] <snap-l> take it from someone who beat his head against everything at SF
[20:14] <snap-l> I thought for sure they were going to say "sorry, we made a mistake"
[20:16] <snap-l> It's natural
[20:16] <snap-l> now get back up on that horse.
[20:17] <rick_h_> yea, except I know my PEP and don't tell me I'm wrong when it comes to PEP8 or PEP 257...cause I'll link that crap back at you :P
[20:18]  * brousch looks up pep257
[20:18]  * snap-l looks up pep 357
[20:18] <rick_h_> 257, docstrings
[20:19] <brousch> ug
[20:21] <rick_h_> lol, "you're doing it wrong!"  Managed to goof up X
[20:31] <rick_h_> brousch: ?? how do you mean?
[20:31] <brousch> i mean would i use jquery and yui, or do they do the same things?
[20:31] <rick_h_> brousch: in a lot of ways I suppose: http://www.jsrosettastone.com/
[20:31] <rick_h_> but has more
[20:31] <rick_h_> yea, you'd pick one
[20:32] <brousch> wow, could those fonts be any wispier?
[20:32] <snap-l> K, time to reboot the machine.
[20:33] <snap-l> See you on the other side.
[20:36] <brousch> holy cow. i fell asleep in my chair and almost fell over
[20:45] <greg-g> nice


[08:58] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: when you have 5 secs https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/haptify_launcher/+merge/268756
[08:58] <tsdgeos> i think we had talked about this at some point
[08:58] <tsdgeos> and then forgot about it
[08:58] <mzanetti> right. saw it, yes
[08:58] <mzanetti> will review
[08:59] <mzanetti> still trying to boot the emulator
[09:01] <tsdgeos> sure, no hurry
[09:13] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/haptify_launcher/+merge/268756/comments/675994
[09:14] <tsdgeos> sure can work on that
[09:59] <mzanetti> dandrader, ping
[10:03] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: when is "Haptics.play() on longpress when dragging is activated" ?
[10:03] <tsdgeos> you mean after you start moving?
[10:03] <tsdgeos> or just on long press?
[10:03] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, to inform the user that he can start dragging now
[10:03] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, basically the same time when the quicklist is shwon
[10:03] <mzanetti> shown
[10:03] <tsdgeos> right
[10:03] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:18] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah feels better like that i think
[10:18] <mzanetti> cool
[10:30] <dandrader> mzanetti, pong
[10:32] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: how does one fake a notification?
[10:32] <tsdgeos> i think you had some command line app?
[10:33] <tsdgeos> maybe notify-send works as well on the phone
[10:33]  * tsdgeos tries
[10:34] <tsdgeos> yep it does
[10:35] <mzanetti> dandrader, hey, you think it would be hard to make the mousetouchadaptor work on Mir too?
[10:37] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, for simple ones it's ok...but for firing up a full blown snap-decision with all bells and whistles you should grab one of the examples from lp:unity-notifications/examples
[10:37] <tsdgeos> a simple one would do here
[10:37] <dandrader> mzanetti, what do you mean by "work on Mir"
[10:38] <mzanetti> dandrader, well, running with -mousetouch also when running on Mir
[10:38] <mzanetti> dandrader, right now MouseTouchAdaptor just returns if != xcb
[10:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, aahhh, ok
[10:39] <dandrader> mzanetti, should be possible
[10:39] <mzanetti> dandrader, reason is, the emulator seems to give us mouse events only
[10:39] <dandrader> mzanetti, but it would make unity8 depend on mir I think
[10:40] <mzanetti> dandrader, mterry worked around the edge intro by disabling it, still leaves the issue with right/left edge
[10:40] <dandrader> mzanetti, as MouseTouchAdaptor work on native events
[10:40] <mzanetti> right
[10:40] <mzanetti> dandrader, also I'm not sure if it's the right fix... just exploring options
[10:41] <mzanetti> dandrader, ideally the emulator would give us touch events I'd say... which then obviously makes it hard to test "convergence" stuff in there
[11:03] <mzanetti> rsalveti, hey, do you think there's a chance to make the emulator send touch events instead of mouse events?
[11:04] <mzanetti> otherwise we'll have troubles over and over again... we have lots of code that intentionally only works with touch events
[11:20] <tsdgeos> cimi: ping?
[11:20] <cimi> tsdgeos, pong
[11:20] <cimi> ?
[11:21] <mzanetti> :D
[11:21] <mzanetti> ?
[11:21] <tsdgeos> cimi: i can't find the radius_pressed.sci file :S
[11:21] <cimi> tsdgeos, it's ubuntu-ui-toolkit internal file
[11:21] <tsdgeos> cimi: is it?
[11:21] <cimi> tsdgeos, and I believe is embedded in the c++ files
[11:21] <tsdgeos> ah
[11:21] <tsdgeos> ok that'd make sense
[11:22] <tsdgeos> since dpkg -s couldn't find it either
[11:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, what to you need it for?
[11:23] <tsdgeos> cimi: i was just checking your changes
[11:23] <cimi> tsdgeos, we don't have a replacement "aspect" property for that
[11:23] <tsdgeos> why not?
[11:23] <cimi> tsdgeos, so we are forced to use old ubuntushape for pressed effect
[11:24] <tsdgeos> doesn't Pressed do that?
[11:24] <cimi> tsdgeos, aspect can be UbuntuShape.Flat, .Inset, .DropShadow
[11:24] <cimi> nope
[11:24] <cimi> unless they added recently
[11:24] <cimi> is there one?
[11:24] <tsdgeos>         if (borderSource.endsWith(QString("radius_idle.sci"))) {
[11:24] <tsdgeos>             aspect = Inset;
[11:24] <tsdgeos>         } else if (borderSource.endsWith(QString("radius_pressed.sci"))) {
[11:24] <tsdgeos>             aspect = Pressed;
[11:24] <tsdgeos>         } else {
[11:24] <tsdgeos>             aspect = Flat;
[11:24] <tsdgeos>         }
[11:24] <cimi> °_° cool
[11:24] <tsdgeos> no idea how it looks like
[11:24] <tsdgeos> but it'd seem it does what we want?
[11:24] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you give it a try?
[11:25] <cimi> it wasn't there like a month ago and loic when on holiday
[11:25] <cimi> not sure when he got time to add :D
[11:25] <tsdgeos> instead that overlayColor/overlayRect you use in LazyImage?
[11:25] <cimi> tsdgeos, +1
[11:25] <cimi> let me see
[11:27] <cimi> tsdgeos, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1475657
[11:27] <tsdgeos> :D
[11:28] <tsdgeos> oh
[11:28] <tsdgeos> the Pressed one is private
[11:28] <tsdgeos> silly
[12:45] <cimi> tsdgeos, is that branch fine to you?
[12:46] <dandrader> greyback, rebased lp:~dandrader/qtmir/mirSurface on top of latest trunk
[12:46] <tsdgeos> cimi: still having a look
[12:46] <tsdgeos> cimi: but unless you or someoene else approve my branch that is below in the stack we won't be able to land it
[12:47] <cimi> yea<h
[12:48] <greyback> dandrader: thanks!
[12:49] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, which one? uitk 1.3?
[12:49] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yep
[12:49] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yeah... will approve/land it as soon as I get confirmation we're switching to 1.3 for OTA-7
[12:50] <tsdgeos> :)
[12:50] <mzanetti> which seems likely. bzoltan gave green light. bfiller has scheduled apps to be updated this/next sprint
[12:52] <cimi> tsdgeos, since I tested my branch, your branch before is fine, but I'd land them together
[13:58] <tsdgeos> we need to make PreviewRatingDisplay a listview and not a repeater
[13:59] <tsdgeos> i can feel the half a second it takes to generate all PreviewRatingSingleDisplay when scrolling in telegram for example
[13:59] <tsdgeos> and when i say half a second is more like 3 seconds :D
[13:59]  * tsdgeos gets to work on that
[14:36] <cimi> tsdgeos, want me to do it?
[14:39] <tsdgeos> cimi: do what? the preview thing?
[14:39] <cimi> tsdgeos, rating display
[14:40] <tsdgeos> cimi: if you're free, sure all yours
[14:55] <cimi> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/new-shadows-1.3/+merge/266084 ?
[14:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: yeah that's next
[14:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: remerge it, it has conflcits
[14:56] <cimi> o
[14:56] <cimi> k
[14:57] <tsdgeos> or at elast launchpad says it has
[15:00] <cimi> tsdgeos, false
[15:02] <cimi> anyway I merged sth
[15:09] <tsdgeos> something must be wrong with launchpad
[15:09] <tsdgeos> your branch has some [15:09] <tsdgeos> and i have one that has too
[15:09] <tsdgeos> but then i don't see them on the local checkout
[15:12] <cimi> tsdgeos, which file?
[15:12] <tsdgeos> cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/new-shadows-1.3/+merge/266084 qml/Launcher/LauncherDelegate.qml
[15:12] <cimi> mmm
[15:13] <cimi> mine has too
[15:13]  * cimi guesses someone must have done bzr resolve wrongly :D
[15:14] <cimi> tsdgeos, try again :D
[15:17] <tsdgeos> cimi: what did you do?
[15:17] <cimi> tsdgeos, pushed
[15:17] <tsdgeos> oh :D
[15:18] <cimi> tsdgeos, looks like "someone" used bzr resolve when he shouldn't
[15:23] <tsdgeos> i see
[15:23] <mterry> mzanetti, what is the easiest way to test that reminders-app branch?
[15:24] <mterry> mzanetti, make a click via qtcreator?
[15:30] <mzanetti> mterry, yeah, open it in QtCreator, add -DCLICK_MODE=ON and hit the play button
[15:52] <rsalveti> mzanetti: it might be possible, but would need to check, but what is the main issue with mouse events?
[15:53] <mzanetti> rsalveti, for example you can't use edge gestures without touch. that prevents one to pass the edge tutorial and to switch apps using the right edge
[15:53] <rsalveti> mzanetti: well, I used that before on the emulator just fine
[15:53] <mzanetti> hmm... interesting
[15:54] <mzanetti> rsalveti, could it be that something changed in that regard?
[15:54] <rsalveti> not in the emulator side
[15:54] <rsalveti> that code didn't change for a while
[15:54] <mzanetti> but we're doing the same in unity for 2 years too already
[15:54] <rsalveti> but everything got broken when a new mir and qtubuntu landed
[15:54] <mzanetti> ah ok...
[15:54] <mzanetti> might be in there then
[15:54] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:55] <rsalveti> I will spend some time today investigating what still needs for the emulator to work
[15:55] <rsalveti> saw some bugs were updated over the last few weeks
[15:55] <rsalveti> (I was away for the past 2 weeks)
[15:55] <mzanetti> rsalveti, yeah. if you create a new one right now it won't boot, you need to install silo 25 on it
[15:55] <mzanetti> rsalveti, that will get you started, but you won't be able to pass the intro
[15:55] <rsalveti> got it, thanks
[15:56] <rsalveti> right
[15:56] <mzanetti> rsalveti, there's also a silo to disable the intro for the emulator, wich might just be good enough for a quickfix, but as I said, it doesn't stop there
[15:56] <rsalveti> yeah, we need to fix the gesture support
[15:56] <rsalveti> it was working before
[16:38] <greyback__> seb128: can you add that to https://trello.com/c/cSr7Qp4h/175-add-special-client-interface-for-mouse-keyboard-control please
[16:38] <seb128> greyback__, k


[15:41] <terminal> hey guys just got ubuntu 11.10 anybody have a good idea as to what IRC client I should use?