[03:01] <Logan> is there any reason why my MP [1] isn't showing up in the Sponsoring Overview [2]?
[03:01] <Logan> [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~logan/ubuntu/wily/python-idna/2.0/+merge/260031
[03:01] <Logan> [2] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html
[05:06] <pitti> Good morning
[06:09] <Mirv> Logan: just time, now it's there
[06:10] <Logan> ah, thanks :)
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <didrocks> @pilot in
[07:12]  * dholbach hugs didrocks
[07:12]  * didrocks hugs dholbach back
[07:56] <didrocks> Mirv: do you need an ubuntu-touch.wily upload now or prefer to wait?
[08:11] <Mirv> didrocks: the two MP:s would be good to land now already
[08:12] <Mirv> didrocks: thanks for merging them
[08:13] <didrocks> Mirv: yw! ok, uploading
[08:14] <Mirv> excellent!
[09:31] <Laney> cjwatson: Does archive_base/default in germinate-update-metapackage's update.cfg support multiple archives like /arch does (per g-u-m(1))?
[09:47] <cjwatson> Laney: Yes.
[09:47] <Laney> cjwatson: Ta. Wasn't entirely clear to me from the manpage
[09:47] <Laney> ogra_: Maybe this is useful to you
[09:48] <ogra_> Laney, you mean to the phone people :)
[09:49] <Laney> teflon hands
[09:49] <ogra_> hah
[09:50] <Laney> who wants this information?
[09:50] <ogra_> cjwatson, what Laney wants is a seed for the vivid+overlay phone PPA ... i wonder if that actually makes sense now that we will use that setup long term
[09:50] <ogra_> Laney, if only i knew :) i guess for the interim thats still me
[09:51] <Laney> Well you've just seen confusion with the seed branches; I was wondering if we could avoid that
[09:51] <ogra_> long term the phone team needs to grow some core-devs or we need to make it easy for sponsos
[09:52] <ogra_> +r
[09:52] <cjwatson> ogra_,Laney: I'd suggest just treating that as a continuation of ubuntu-phone.vivid
[09:52] <cjwatson> Laney: manpage> bug welcome
[09:52] <Laney> nod
[09:52] <cjwatson> (or git mp if you want to be experimental)
[09:52] <cjwatson> I can find out if I get useful mail! :-)
[09:53] <Laney> I'll put it on the list, got a few things to do first though
[10:07] <didrocks> @pilot out
[10:12] <rbasak> pitti: I'm stealing the apache2 merge. I trust that's OK?
[10:12] <pitti> rbasak: it's okay, plus "thank you!" :-)
[10:12] <pitti> rbasak: I earned tons of merges from drive-by systemd fixes, some library transition rebuilds and other stuff, always happy to lose some of them :)
[10:13] <mitya57> Mirv: do you know if Stephen's suggestion in https://codereview.qt-project.org/112053 (the last comment) will fix LP: #1457840?
[10:30] <jamespage> please could an  archive admin bump python3-cryptography and python3-hacking to main for wily - they are binary only movements - cheers!
[10:31] <pitti> jamespage: yep, will do, they are on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.txt
[10:32] <jamespage> pitti, indeed they are - just nudging as working an SRU that I'd like to land into wily first - but I'm blocked on dependency chain right now
[10:32] <jamespage> (and thanks)
[10:32] <pitti> lputils.PackageMissing: Could not find binaries for 'python3-cryptography/None' in wily-proposed
[10:32] <pitti> le huh?
[10:33] <pitti> oh, nevermind -- these binaries themselves aren't in -proposed
[10:34] <pitti> jamespage: done
[10:35] <jamespage> pitti, ta
[11:08] <xnox> doko_: gcc's 5.1 -fno-semantic-interposition causes testsuite failure in libvirt
[11:08] <xnox> were you considering to enable it by default?
[11:11] <doko_> xnox, is there an open issue? no, I'd like to avoid diverting from upstream
[11:12] <xnox> doko_: ok. at the moment only discussing it on libvirt mailing list.
[11:13] <xnox> the option seems very nice. but not sure about the fallout amount, especially since it appears to manifest at runtime, rather than build-time warning or some such.
[11:13] <xnox> doko_: also created mailing list.
[11:23] <mdeslaur> @pilot in
[11:27] <mpt> diwic, hi. Is the HDMI audio situation still as you described in <http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/04/14/audio-over-hdmi-and-displayport-in-ubuntu-12-04/>, where you can’t tell whether audio should go to an HDMI-connected display?
[11:29] <doko_> xnox, well, turning this on by default would be wrong
[11:29]  * dholbach hugs mdeslaur
[11:30] <xnox> doko_: yeah, also binutils breaks.
[11:32] <diwic> mpt, most of the stuff still holds
[11:33] <diwic> mpt, even for newer stuff like haswell and broadwell, there are usually several audio ports
[11:33] <diwic> mpt, but I guess slightly more often the vendors are polite enough to mark two out of the tree as unused
[11:33] <diwic> mpt, I'm not sure that answers your question - could you be more specific?
[11:36]  * mdeslaur hugs dholbach
[11:57] <sladen> nd the other 16 square metres,...?
[11:57] <sladen> meh
[12:08] <rbasak> pitti: you might be interested in bug 1457957. I tagged it systemd-boot as it's a consequence of the switch, but it's perhaps an upstream issue to keep up.
[12:14] <pitti> rbasak: thanks for the heads-up. I followed up
[12:25] <mpt> diwic, for the pocket PC, when you connect a phone to an MHL display, normally you’ll want audio to be played through that display’s speakers. If that isn’t automatic, we’ll need more settings UI than if it is automatic.
[12:26] <ogra_> mpt, and how do you know that MHL display is a display with physical speakers attached ?
[12:26] <ogra_> a normal monitor with MHL wont tell you ... and will most likely not have any speakers
[12:27] <ogra_> (a TV with MHL wont tell you either but that will at least have builtin speakers)
[12:29] <rbasak> pitti: thanks. Also bug 1457886 - probably invalid since kernel commandline is used (and permitted to be used) for anything, including for plymouth(?) to pay attention to the "splash" argument?
[12:29] <mpt> ogra_, yay, it’s nice to know that new hardware interfaces repeat the mistakes of their predecessors :-]
[12:29] <rbasak> pitti: I'm not confident enough in the internals there to triage that though, although I think I know what's going on.
[12:30] <ogra_> mpt, heh, yeah ... well, i dont think the designers of the EDID specification thought about routing audio through video cables when they designed EDID back when VGA was a thing :)
[12:31] <ogra_> but even if the EDID info could tell you that the display is audio capable you wont know if there are actual pysical speakers
[12:31] <mpt> Yeah, it’s not like any displays had built-in speakers in 1994
[12:34] <diwic> mpt, to sum up, the problems are two-fold here - one is that we have some "unused" HDMI ports that the driver reports as being there but unconnected. That can likely be fixed on a per-hardware basis, so if we do a pocket PC we can put in a driver patch for that.
[12:34] <pitti> rbasak: this looks like serious PEBCAK; I followed up and subscribed, but probably non-sense
[12:34] <diwic> mpt, what ogra_ is talking about is harder, i e, figuring out whether or not there are speakers on an HDMI (or DP, or MHL) connection.
[12:34] <diwic> mpt, that said I'm not very familiar with MHL at all.
[12:35] <ogra_> i thionk you shoould keep audio on the phone spakers for now
[12:35] <mpt> diwic, so, we will need UI for whether to use the display’s speakers or not
[12:35] <ogra_> and rather offer a UI to the user to switch back and forth
[12:36] <ogra_> or a popup pn MHL connection asking if you want to re-route the sound to the display
[12:36] <rbasak> pitti: I was under the impression that the kernel gave /sbin/init the kernel commandline in argv too? Maybe not. Anyway, my uncertainty is why I referred to you. Thanks :)
[12:36] <pitti> rbasak: it looks like he tried something like init="/sbin/init splash"
[12:36] <diwic> mpt, like the unity-system-settings in v14.04 desktop already does, so I'm assuming your talking about something else?
[12:37] <pitti> rbasak: ah, it indeed seems to do that (everything after init=)
[12:37] <pitti> rbasak: but then I still fail to understand what the problem is
[12:37] <mpt> diwic, yes, ubuntu-system-settings on the phone
[12:38] <diwic> mpt, ok
[12:42] <rbasak> pitti: what the problem is> yeah - inits are designed to get random stuff from the kernel commandline, and random stuff uses the kernel commandline. So traditionally not-understood arguments are just ignored and that should be fine.
[13:25] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:27] <mdeslaur> hi cyphermox
[13:27] <cyphermox> hey mdeslaur
[13:47] <smoser> Laney, gnome-terminal "Apply fix from Ed Catamur to wait on the server instead of the client in --disable-factory mode. This is compatible with previous versions of gnome-terminal." .
[13:47] <smoser> that changed the default behavior of gnome-terminal to block. was that intended ?
[13:47] <Laney> only if you pass --disable-factory
[13:47] <Laney> yes
[13:47] <smoser> for me it blocks always
[13:48] <Laney> it shouldn't go into that path then, if it does then that's a bug
[13:48] <Laney> will look shortly
[13:48] <smoser> ie, just with 'gnome-terminal'
[13:52] <Laney> smoser: ah right, I think I messed up a conditional, thanks for noticing!
[13:55] <smoser> Laney, thanks for bringing 'disable-factory' back.
[13:55] <smoser> i do like it.
[14:00] <Laney> smoser: np - I'm surprised that quite a lot of people seem to use it
[14:00] <Laney> I thought it would just be pleasing like 5 geeks :)
[14:00] <Laney> can you try lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-terminal/ubuntu ?
[14:00] <larsu> smoser, Laney: gnome-terminal (without arguments) is supposed to block until you close that terminal, no?
[14:00] <Laney> not upstream
[14:00] <larsu> same with gedit
[14:01] <Laney> I only intended to override their behaviour when you give --disable-factory
[14:02] <Laney> We could do it always but I didn't think about that yet
[14:05] <larsu> I was pretty sure that this is what it does upstream. Discussed this with desrt countless times
[14:06] <larsu> let me see
[14:09] <smoser> larsu, that would be sane behavior. but 'disable-factory' became necessary probably in the 12.04 time frame.
[14:09] <smoser> otherwise 'gnome-terminal' would talk to the factory, create a window, and return immediately.
[14:09] <smoser> then, upstream removed 'disable-factory'.
[14:10] <larsu> smoser: it seems to do that upstream, but that's totally wrong. It should block until the tab/window it opened is closed
[14:10] <smoser> larsu, well, arbitrarily changing back and forth in ubuntu is not helpful to people.
[14:11] <Laney> OK, I'm not trying to fix that now though, we can work that through upstream
[14:11] <larsu> smoser: ya, Laney is working hard on keeping compatibility, but it's not easy. Lots of upstream changes and *many* use cases
[14:11] <smoser> and differing with upstream isnt either. i personally think the behavior of "block unless otherwise told to" is better. but that is different than it is in 14.04, 14.10 and upstream.
[14:12] <smoser> just for random bit of information... https://gist.github.com/smoser/1ee3f2b223717625c5f4
[14:13] <smoser> that is my garbage "xvim" which launches ggnome-terminal -e vim. and blocks even without --disable-factory (ie, you have to have that in 14.10 if you want pentadactyl ctrl-i to work or something like that).
[14:18] <larsu> crazy. I'll look into it upstream
[14:22] <doko> infinity, gccgo, did we have any successful builds in wily?
[15:04] <infinity> doko: Not a lot of go packages to test that theory with, but the tree I can spot (nuntium, lxd, and docker.io) haven't built successfully since vivid, no.
[15:06] <Mirv> mitya57: I think modifying that patch alone didn't help alone as the other patches make the switch from pie to pic and our core problem was the reduce relocations breaking unity8. but I can't now remember whether I tried to enable the two other patches only while not setting the reduce relocations option. and I guess I should try gcc5 too even before it's made the default so that it's known whether we'll need some linker expert
[15:07] <Mirv> mitya57: sorry for the delay, my afternoon got quite swamped suddenly
[15:23] <mdeslaur> @pilot out
[16:02] <ptrz> how would I go about getting the libnice package updated?
[16:03] <ptrz> it's going to have to be newer for the next major Pidgin release. The current libnice repo head builds and checks on 15.04.
[16:05] <infinity> pitti: TB meeting?
[16:05] <pitti> infinity: whoops, thanks
[16:05] <pitti> that late already
[16:34] <ptrz> how would I go about getting the libnice package updated?
[16:34] <ptrz> it's going to have to be newer for the next major Pidgin release. The current libnice repo head builds and checks on 15.04.
[16:45] <mitya57> Mirv: ok
[16:46] <mitya57> Yes, testing with gcc5 will be nice. If it remains broken, maybe we should bother upstream.
[17:24] <elopio> I'm having this problem with bzr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1458946
[17:24] <elopio> any idea what that means?
[17:37] <smoser> elopio, i just came here to complain about same thing.
[17:38] <smoser> i think it only occurs if you're launchpad-login'ed
[17:38] <elopio> it's good I'm not alone.
[17:39] <pitti> slangasek, stgraber: just FYI and a chuckle: debian bug 786902
[17:42] <smoser> elopio, but it seems its likely on server side rather than package
[17:45] <smoser> elopio, it seems that canonical IS is working on this.
[17:45] <smoser> should be fixed soon-ish.
[17:47] <elopio> thanks for the update smoser.
[17:50] <smoser> elopio, seems "fixed for me" at the moment.
[17:50] <elopio> smoser: works here too. I'll update the bug.
[17:57] <slangasek> pitti: yeah, are you chuckling about the orphaning in general or about the suggestion that we switch to one written in python? ;-P
[17:58] <infinity> Oh dear lord, pleast not a python rewrite.
[17:59] <ogra_> lol
[18:01] <slangasek> infinity: too late! http://cumulusnetworks.com/blog/ifupdown2/
[18:17] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, I'm well aware of it, I was not aware that anyone took it seriously.
[18:17] <cyphermox> in theory there is code for it.
[18:44] <pitti> slangasek: more like "no time any more to maintain one implementation, so let's make two!" :/
[18:45] <slangasek> ;)
[18:45] <pitti> more seriously, this actually does sound a bit worrying


[01:36] <rthornton> question about installing HP Laserjet 1536dnf software
[01:36] <rthornton> it seems to need many dependencies - should I go ahead like adding dbus support or not?
[09:37] <schultza> Trying to get the nice menu from Linux Mint into Ubuntu Mate, is there still an ability for that or do I need to move to Linux Mint for this?
[09:43] <masnell> @rthornton: I run a similar model, shld be no problem with the dependencies
[10:20] <Guest67579> Where is 'About this Computer' on MATE?
[10:22] <Guest67579> I have found it. It is in 'System Monitor' in tab 'System'.
[14:18] <rthornton> @masnell if one installs this software on Uuntu 16.04, then it will have similar scanning functions of the windows versions?  I have two Win. 7 VM's which work fine with the windows versions and I can scan from my Ubuntu system via the Win. 7 VM, but it would be nice to have same  functionality directly with the Linux Host.
[14:36] <masnell> @rthornton: Yes,  scanning is part of the install (uses SANE), and probably part of the dependencies you are seeing listed for installation
[14:46] <rthornton> I installed the Sane software from the ubuntu software center but it fails to work.  I sees the printer, but I think it wants the printer to be physically connected?  I am using it as a network printer.
[15:14] <masnell> @rthornton: you may need to run 'hp-plugin-ubuntu' in a terminal to get the proprietary components installed
[15:15] <masnell> It will install the HP plugin.
[15:18] <masnell> I use my HP MFP over the network without issue. Sometimes I need to reinstall the plugin because of the scenario you describe (tho 16.04.1 seems to date to be more stable)
[17:37] <rthornton> got it working now!
[17:37] <rthornton> great!!
[17:38] <rthornton> so I can scan from any device in my house
[18:50] <DerRaiden> hey folks
[18:53] <ouroumov_> hi DerRaiden
[18:58] <DerRaiden> hi ouroumov_
[20:07] <nightraid> Hi everyone is Ubuntu Mate 16.04 stable and have Nvidia Driver available GForce 1070 series?
[20:09] <nightraid> i'm running in virtualbox right now so I would like to ask anyone who used this version if there is no problem for nvidia drivers GForce 1070 series
[20:10] <nightraid> I appreciate any reply
[21:54] <nebula_> a
[21:55] <nebula_> s
[21:55] <nebula_> d
[21:55] <nebula_> u there?
[21:55] <nebula_> exit
[21:55] <nebula_> sudo -i


[00:45] <cmaloney> Just took weather spotter training.
[00:45] <cmaloney> woo woo
[00:46] <rick_h_> time to chase tornados?
[00:49] <cmaloney> Hells no
[00:49] <cmaloney> That's for JoDee
[00:55] <rick_h_> well booooo :P
[01:24] <jrwren> i just cut a ton of tree down using only a saw and an axe. Literally, a ton by my estimation, well maybe only 3/4
[01:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: power of tools
[02:07] <jrwren> indeed
[02:30] <_stink_> cmaloney: class provided by oakland county?
[02:30] <_stink_> up in pontiac or waterford or something?
[02:30] <cmaloney> Waterford
[02:30] <cmaloney> For the SE Michigan area
[02:30] <_stink_> every year i think about taking that
[02:30] <_stink_> never manage it
[02:31] <cmaloney> They did it online this time around
[02:31] <cmaloney> so I was eating dinner learning about weather
[02:31] <cmaloney> and about how every fucking conference call starts the same
[02:31] <_stink_> ah neat
[02:31] <_stink_> about online
[02:31] <_stink_> not the call
[02:31] <cmaloney> heh
[12:17] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:27] <cmaloney> morning
[12:33] <rick_h_> morning
[12:49] <_stink_> yo
[13:04] <cmaloney> How goes?
[13:05] <rick_h_>  not bad, now that the camper is here in the driveway I can run away from the houes cleaners inside there
[13:05] <rick_h_> so pretend camping from the driveway working on work
[13:07] <cmaloney> hah, nice.
[15:08] <wolfger> driveway camping \o/
[15:12] <wolfger> Gah. Why is  perl -e not working?
[15:13] <jrwren> you forgot the -i?
[15:13] <jrwren> and the -p ?
[15:14] <wolfger> pie sounds good...
[15:14] <wolfger> but I've never needed more than just -e before
[15:14] <jrwren> i was j/k, it depends on what you are doing.
[15:15] <jrwren> perl -e 'print "works for me";'
[15:15] <wolfger> at this point, I'm just trying to do Hello World
[15:15] <wolfger> strawberry perl on win 7 (i know, i know, off topic for here)
[15:16] <wolfger> also my first time trying Strawberry instead of ActiveState fwiw
[18:20] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/AnarchistDalek/status/740318130082217984?s=09
[18:25] <greg-g> rick_h_: I totally use the RV in the driveway as a get-away sometimes
[18:42] <rick_h_> greg-g: :)


[04:24] <Kilos> ohi superfly just the man i need
[04:24] <Kilos> i got an iso last night with wget and they normally in /hpme but i cant find it
[04:25] <Kilos> and i tried kfind with no luck
[04:25] <Kilos> i dont know how else to find files in kde
[04:26] <Kilos> i got elementaryos and dont know if it is here somewhere but hidden under a different name
[04:27] <Kilos> i can see all hidden files in home and even looked in root for it
[04:28] <Kilos> ran wget -c again and it says the whole iso is here
[04:32] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[04:57] <Kilos> found it, luckily there is a #wget
[04:57] <Kilos> you early Tonberry
[04:58] <Tonberry> morning
[04:58] <Tonberry> and not really
[04:59] <Kilos> oh its 7am already
[05:10] <Kilos> more bushtech
[05:20] <bushtech> more Kilos werk jou goed al?
[05:20] <Kilos> ja dankie als werk, maar ek het in die nag weer snaakse goed gedoen
[05:21] <bushtech> o donder!
[05:21] <Kilos> elementaryos met wget gekry en dit in 'download' file gevind eers net nou met hulp van n ou op #wget
[05:22] <Kilos> en toe ek dit oopmaak is dit als in txt
[05:22] <bushtech> o ok
[05:22] <bushtech> ag nee
[05:22] <Kilos> gelukkig gee k3b die opsie om dit n iso te maak
[05:23] <Kilos> brand nou en sal sien wat uitkom
[05:23] <Kilos> murphy boer hier
[05:23] <bushtech> hou vir jou duim vas
[05:24] <Kilos> ty
[05:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:24] <bushtech> ja nee, daai man is 'n yster, kan enigiets doen
[05:24] <Kilos> o en nog
[05:25] <Kilos> sjoe ian het vir nuwe dvds gebring
[05:25] <Kilos> die een wat ek insit om te brand het Bunny Wabbit op
[05:25] <Kilos> ai!
[05:25] <bushtech> lol
[05:26] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel sal jy
[05:26] <bushtech> ek het 'n blu ray dvd hier wat ek nog wil rip
[05:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:48] <Squirm> morning
[05:51] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:33] <Squirm> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[11:14] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[11:14] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[11:29] <charl> good afternoon
[11:29] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:29]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:29] <charl> Maaz: large
[11:29] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you charl
[11:29] <charl> Maaz: with rusks
[11:29] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard charl help yourself
[11:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:33] <Kilos> ohi charl
[11:35] <Kilos> bushtech, elementary is working
[11:36] <charl> hi Kilos
[11:36] <charl> how are you doing
[11:36] <Kilos> much faster than unity but them i think its based on 12.04 still
[11:36] <Kilos> im good ty charl and you?
[11:37] <Kilos> learned more last night and today
[11:37] <Kilos> elementary downlloads in text file
[11:38] <Kilos> well it did here and had to use k3b to make it an iso
[11:40] <charl> i'm good thanks
[11:40] <inetpro> good afternoon
[11:40] <inetpro>  @tWeatherSA ALERT: Multiple reports of a #hailstorm and heavy rain in parts of #Johannesburg
[11:41] <Kilos> id even be happy with some hail inetpro
[11:41] <Kilos> no fruit to lose after black frost anyway
[11:41] <inetpro> ai!
[11:41] <Kilos> good afternoon to you
[11:42] <inetpro> no mealies in the garden?
[11:43] <charl> good afternoon inetpro
[11:43] <Kilos> nope tomatoes and strawberries in pots and pampoen in hoenderhock onder sink plaat
[11:43] <Kilos> beens and peas and spinach didnt even grow
[11:45] <Kilos> but hail not a prob with mealies until theyve formed cobs normally because they grow again
[11:47] <inetpro> true
[11:48] <inetpro> unless it's really severe and hit flat with the ground
[11:52] <Kilos> only if their stems are thick and the core can dry out i think otherwise they come again and sometimes from 2 or 3 new shoots out the side
[11:53] <Kilos> actually quiet a hardly plant
[12:02] <Kilos> is this what a mac looks like
[12:02] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-11-17_13_58_47-gU0RCcUr.png
[12:02] <Kilos> i cant have spanne workspaces
[13:05] <Kilos> could maybe get used to the docking thing
[13:21] <Kilos> ek dink dit kom inetpro of vroeg of laat huis toe
[13:21] <Kilos> lug ryk reg vir bietjie water
[13:21] <Kilos> ruik?
[13:22] <inetpro> het nou vir so 'n minuut of twee lekker gereen in die stad
[13:25] <inetpro> en so bietjie hael geooi ook
[13:25] <inetpro> gegooi
[13:28] <Kilos> aha
[13:28] <Kilos> nog net wind en donderweer hier
[13:34] <Kilos> powser might go now now. stones starting to fall outa the sky
[13:40] <Kilos> oh my, these elementary peeps are like me. they show there are 9 workspaces in settings, i just havent found a switcher yet
[13:40] <Kilos> woooohhooooo im not alone in this world
[14:07] <smile> hi :)
[14:07] <Kilos> ohi smile wb
[14:07] <Kilos> where you been
[14:08] <smile> on school ;)
[14:08] <smile> now eating some fruit.. :) so brb ;)
[14:08] <Kilos> at school
[14:08] <Kilos> ok
[14:20] <charl> hey smile
[14:20] <charl> how are you doing
[14:25] <smile> thank you for correcting me, Kilos
[14:25] <smile> back
[14:25] <smile> hi charl
[14:25] <smile> fine, how are you? :)
[14:26] <Kilos> np
[14:26] <charl> i'm good thanks
[14:27] <charl> it's what we call dunglish Kilos
[14:27] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <charl> dutch-english, english spoken literally translated from dutch word by word
[14:27] <Kilos> hey go get elementaryos and tell me what you think
[14:27] <Kilos> what a business
[14:28] <smile> Kilos: it's nice and polished, but not a very broad software selection :p
[14:28] <smile> but you can always add more repo's from ubuntu in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:28] <Kilos> it has everything ubuntu 12.04 can get
[14:28] <Kilos> same repo
[14:28] <smile> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[14:28] <smile> Kilos: 12.04 is old :P
[14:29] <smile> I want more recent stuff, like Gambas 3.5.1+
[14:29] <Kilos> ya but faster than 14.04
[14:29] <smile> that depends on your hardware :) and the edition
[14:29] <Kilos> fast is lekker for me
[14:29]  * smile is running Openbox on Manjaro Linux
[14:29] <Kilos> nope
[14:29] <Kilos> its their gui thats faster
[14:31] <smile> openbox is never slow ;)
[14:44] <Kilos> inetpro, nou sous dit
[14:46] <smile> sunshine! :D
[14:47] <Kilos> haha we can buy a margarine called sunshine D
[14:48] <charl> smile: you program in basic ?!
[14:48] <smile> yeah :D
[14:49] <charl> ok i just won't ask all the obvious questions ... :P
[14:49] <charl> i'm sure you have your reasons :P
[14:49] <smile> easy :)
[14:50] <charl> have you tried python ?
[14:50] <smile> I drag & drop my controls and I can very easily write my software in seconds :)
[14:50] <charl> outside of java, python is by far my favourite programming language
[14:50] <charl> hmmmmm sounds like visual basic
[14:50] <charl> or delphi
[14:50] <smile> java looks awful, delphi is for die hard people and python is slow :/
[14:51] <charl> python is slow, that's true
[14:51] <charl> delphi is long over, that's also true
[14:51] <charl> but why does java look awful ?
[14:52] <charl> many years ago (about 10) i briefly used kylix
[14:52] <charl> that was also an absolutely terrible piece of software from borland
[14:52] <smile> charl: it does not look native :(
[14:52] <charl> their old c/c++ was awesome back in the 90s though
[14:52] <smile> I rather program C, not Java :/
[14:53] <charl> you can style it to look native very easily, it's fully themeable
[14:53] <smile> I customized my image viewer, Viewnior :D
[14:53] <charl> i also used to hate the default look and feel
[14:53] <smile> charl: still not native after styling :p
[14:53] <charl> hmmm, that's somewhat true, it isn't perfect
[14:54] <smile> Gambas uses GTK and QT4 :)
[14:54] <smile> runtime uses GTK or QT
[14:54] <smile> depending on the environment
[14:54] <charl> but let's face it, java sucks for desktop applications, period
[14:54] <smile> yeah. :p
[14:54] <charl> it never made it on the desktop, it's now mostly just a server-side programming language
[14:54] <charl> qt is awesome, i used to program qt4 in c++
[14:54] <charl> gcc
[14:55] <charl> python also has qt4 support but yes, python is not fast
[14:55] <Kilos> nou val die klippe
[14:55] <charl> hailing Kilos ?
[14:55] <Kilos> yeah
[14:55] <charl> hail the captain like on star trek
[14:56] <Kilos> luckily pumpkins and tomatoes are all in sheltered spaces
[14:56] <charl> very good, very good
[14:56] <Kilos> hehe
[14:56] <smile> gcc is awesome as long as it works :P
[14:57] <charl> true, true
[14:57] <charl> but it's the de-facto so not much choice
[14:58] <smile> LLVM/Clang ;)
[14:59] <Kilos> oh man smile i wanted yous to try elementary because the 694mB file i downloaded was a text file
[15:00] <Kilos> k3b converted it
[15:00] <inetpro> charl: so what do you call a mobile interface like android, is that not like a desktop?
[15:00] <inetpro> AFAIAA it's mostly a modified java
[15:00] <smile> Kilos: lol :P
[15:00] <smile> not binary, lol
[15:01] <Kilos> how can they supply a text file not an iso?
[15:01] <smile> I already downloaded elementary on my 128 GB USB stick ;)
[15:01] <smile> Kilos: can't you simply rename it? :)
[15:01] <Kilos> i dunno, not going through all that again ill make an iso from the cd if needed
[15:02] <smile> it's raining :(
[15:02] <Kilos> and wget didnt put it in home as is normal it made a file called download
[15:02]  * smile is happy he's already home
[15:02] <Kilos> why would they do that
[15:02] <inetpro> Kilos: eish, so dark out there
[15:02] <smile> Kilos: download not finished? :p
[15:03] <smile> or maybe you downloaded the download page? :p
[15:03] <charl> inetpro: yes but it's not awt/swing, it's something google created from scratch
[15:03] <Kilos> no i ran wget -c twice more and it stayed the same
[15:03] <Kilos> but once k3b converted it it installed lekker
[15:04] <Kilos> and i posted a screenshot and asked here if that is what a mac looks like but no one answered
[15:04] <charl> smile: very interesting, i haven't really looked at clang much but it looks promising
[15:04] <inetpro> charl: what I'm saying is that java actually made it in a massive way on a smartphone, more than a desktop even
[15:04] <inetpro> even if it's amodified java
[15:05] <smile> charl: you should read http://phoronix.net more ;)
[15:05] <smile> http://phoronix.com I mean
[15:05] <smile> :)
[15:06] <charl> inetpro: true, true, java is now mostly used either on mobile devices and as server backends
[15:07] <charl> inetpro: that makes me think that it should be able to work on a desktop as well, but not the way they did it up to thus far
[15:07] <inetpro> now there I agree with you
[15:07] <Kilos> lyk of dit oopmaak van die suide inetpro
[15:07] <charl> like smile said, they need to focus on integration more, not this "java" look, but something that appears like any other application
[15:08] <smile> I would use a Java backend but surely a GTK or QT frontend for any desktop application :)
[15:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ah, dankie... sal maar so bietjie wag
[15:08] <Kilos> dit het opgehou reen nou hier 10mm gekry
[15:09] <charl> smile: have you looked at QtJambi?
[15:09] <smile> I havent
[15:10] <charl> i don't know how good it is, haven't used it myself, but it looks like it's under active development on gitorious
[15:10] <smile> why not github :o
[15:10] <charl> why not gitorious
[15:10] <charl> :D
[15:11] <charl> what's nice is i've seen a lot of open source github-clones the last while you can host yourself!
[15:17] <smile> github is too cool to skip, charl :D
[15:18] <smile> http://qt-jambi.org/ <- active, you say? :) 2012 last update on the main page
[15:18] <smile> and january 2014 last change on the files (alright, that's acceptable)
[15:18] <smile> :)
[15:18] <charl> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-jambi that's why i said look on gitorious :P
[15:21] <smile> thanks, charl :p
[15:21]  * smile listens to music and lights (as released by Imagination)
[15:22] <charl> smile: have you taken a look at gitbucket? http://blog.christian-stankowic.de/?p=6329
[15:22] <smile> al van gehoord ;)
[15:22] <smile> not used yet, though
[15:22] <charl> or gitlab https://about.gitlab.com/
[15:22] <charl> i've been looking at both of them as alternatives to github because you can host them yourself
[15:23] <charl> gitorious can also be run by yourself in fact
[15:24] <charl> they offer most of the functionality of github
[15:25] <charl> even trac has git support now so lots of options to choose from
[15:25] <smile> charl: to have a private repository, yes, that's handy
[15:25] <smile> :)
[15:25] <charl> or a public one, doesn't matter
[15:26] <charl> whatever your needs are, but then you are in full control, not under the mercy of other companies and the us government
[15:36] <Kilos> ai!
[15:36] <Kilos> elementary would choose 12.04 hey
[15:37] <Kilos> same mobile broadband connection probs
[15:37] <smile> what do you think of Samsung 840 Evo 512GB in RAID 0? :D
[15:37] <smile> combined with a Core i7 4790K :D
[15:41] <smile> charl? :D
[15:48] <charl> hi back
[15:49] <charl> taking a look
[15:49] <charl> whow that's very cheap !
[15:49] <charl> the prices on SSDs are dropping constantly
[15:50] <Kilos> ya but when they crash they crash, no data recovery option
[15:51] <Kilos> you spend your life making backups
[15:51] <charl> Kilos: you're supposed to take backups anyway !! :P
[15:51] <charl> rsync is your friend
[15:51] <Kilos> hehe i forget
[15:53] <charl> smile: i'm looking at http://ark.intel.com/nl/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz now, it looks very promising
[15:53] <smile> :D
[15:53] <charl> 8MB cache, 4 cores, 8 threads
[15:53] <smile> 4 GHz base ;)
[15:53] <smile> you can overclock to 4,6 GHz safely :)
[15:54] <charl> 25,6 GB/s max geheugenbandbreedte !! whow
[15:54] <smile> only 32 GB RAM :(
[15:54] <charl> on http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4790K+%40+4.00GHz it also scores very high
[15:55] <charl> you were looking at more than 32GB?
[15:55] <charl> i still have 16GB sitting in my desktop and it's been good enough up to thus far but i do sometimes run out
[15:55] <smile> if I have one terrabyte RAM, I don't need SSD's ;
[15:55] <smile> ;)
[15:55] <charl> heh you can keep everything in memory cache
[15:56]  * smile downloads the whole internet
[15:56] <charl> that ssd has 540MB/s read and 520MB/s, that's also very decent
[15:56] <charl> i think you'
[15:56] <charl> you'll have a fast machine :P
[15:56] <smile> currently? :p
[15:56] <charl> sorry hit enter by accident
[15:59] <charl> i bought a new laptop a month ago http://shop.lenovo.com/nl/nl/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440/
[15:59] <charl> for personal use, not for company use
[15:59] <charl> it also has an ssd, 128gb so not so large, but i don't need much either
[15:59] <charl> once you go ssd you can't go back, the performance increase is immense
[16:00] <charl> and it's featherlight and compact too, solid design, very impressed so far
[16:02] <smile> :D
[16:02] <smile> looks good indeed
[16:25] <Kilos> smile what must i do with tha5t site
[16:25] <Kilos> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[16:26] <Kilos> that
[16:26] <Kilos> isnt all that stuff in synaptic
[16:48] <smile> Kilos: more sources for software -> more choice ;)
[17:19] <Kilos> oh ty smile. i dont need more than ubuntu offers
[17:19] <Kilos> i dont do fancy things like you guys
[17:20] <smile> lol :)
[17:57] <magespawn> good evening
[18:00] <magespawn> Kilos ping
[18:40] <magespawn> back again
[18:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn sorry
[18:42] <magespawn> no worries Kilos
[18:42] <Kilos> havent got bloep in xchat yet
[18:42] <Kilos> hows you magespawn
[18:43] <magespawn> good and you Kilos?
[18:43] <Kilos> good ty installed elementaryos
[18:43] <Kilos> nice and fast but still got 12.04 nm probs
[18:44] <gremble> ElementaryOS looks very pretty
[18:44] <gremble> But it suffers from ubuntu-itis
[18:44] <gremble> :P
[18:44] <Kilos> actally only prob so far is nm mobile
[18:44] <Kilos> actually
[18:45] <Kilos> oh and i battled to find paths
[18:45] <superfly> pretty much why I went with Debian and KDE
[18:45] <gremble> And you'll battle if you want to configure anything
[18:45] <Kilos> luckily i saved the scripts the dev guys wrote for me to make things work
[18:46] <Kilos> configure what gremble
[18:46] <magespawn> hi gremble superfly
[18:46] <gremble> Pantheon is built from gnomeshell, but they took out most of the configurability
[18:46] <Kilos> and the stupid thing came as a text file not an iso
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:47] <Kilos> i dont think i configure things
[18:47] <Kilos> i just use data recivery tools and now got gparted from a whole new perspective
[18:48] <Kilos> recovery
[18:48] <Kilos> gparted is wonderful with drives with boot sector and some i/o probs
[18:50] <Kilos> i had written off a 200g drive then used gparted today to mark the bad sectors in the beginning of the drive then parted 5g of it to not be used then installed elementary on the rest and here we are
[18:52] <magespawn> pretty cool Kilos
[18:52] <bushtech> well done Kilos
[18:54] <Kilos> ty guys i really enjoy doing this kinda manual stuff
[18:54] <Kilos> very slow though
[18:54] <Kilos> half a day to format to ext2 then run the gparted check disk option
[18:55] <Kilos> but worth every minutes
[19:04] <magespawn> takes patience sometimes, but if it works then it is worth it
[19:06] <Kilos> yeah
[19:07] <Kilos> got a whole pile of working drives nou from vinces shipments
[19:15] <magespawn> i am off to bed, pretty tired
[19:16] <magespawn> good night all
[19:18] <smile> bye :)
[19:18] <Kilos> cheers smile
[19:18] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:18] <smile> thanks :)


[00:16] <cmaloney> helo
[00:49] <cscheib> EHLO
[02:21] <cmaloney> Had someone at the coffeeshop say that Python and Linux were "old-school"
[02:21] <cmaloney> Apparently when you're a hip Android Developer you're allowed to say that. ;)
[02:23] <cmaloney> Of course if they knew I was dicking with z80 assembler that might be paleozoic-school or some shit
[10:36] <brousch> cmaloney: Did you ask him what he uses to create Android apps?
[12:26] <jrwren> just say you are using python3, then its new school cutting edge with a chance of never gonna catch on ;)
[13:23] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:24] <cmaloney> brousch: Didn't think to ask
[14:22] <cmaloney> "Invitation for *|COMPANY|*"
[14:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's _real_ personal.
[14:28] <cmaloney> Never mind that apparently I got on some list for this "hackathon" likely through MUG (list was named "Potential Community Partners")
[14:29] <cmaloney> Three guesses which "hackathon" it was
[14:30] <cmaloney> Hint: It's the brainchild of someone who I would have to think real hard about making an effort to cross the street and piss on them if they were on fire.
[14:40] <brousch> Balmer?
[14:41] <cmaloney> brousch: Guess again
[14:47] <brousch> Gates?
[15:00] <cmaloney> brousch: Think more douchey
[15:03] <brousch> Who is douchier than Steve Balmer!?
[15:03] <cmaloney> One more guess
[15:04] <cmaloney> here's a hint: JWZ said of him that you should check your wallet and count your fingers.
[15:19] <DrDaemonEye> brousch: I know several people who are douchier than Steve Balmer... Just no one famous
[15:38] <jrwren> I do.
[15:38] <jrwren> that oracle guy.
[15:51] <cmaloney> Right, but it's not him
[15:51] <cmaloney> Michael Arrington was what I was going for
[15:55] <_stink_> that was like a really bad game show
[15:58] <cmaloney> _stink_: Leave it to me to keep the circus in it all. :)
[17:43] <rick_h_> brousch: so let's say I had a nexus 9, and I ran the upgrade for 5.0.2 last night...and this morning it won't get past the spinning loading circles...what would one do next?
[17:44] <rick_h_> brousch: and they might already ahve tried booting into recovery and clearing the cache as well as doing a factory reset
[17:44] <cmaloney> Take it to the Apple store? :)
[17:44] <brousch> I have only had something like that on rooted phones running cyanogenmod
[17:44] <rick_h_>  / mute cmaloney
[17:45] <brousch> In those cases I just boot into recovery and use the backup ROM
[17:45] <brousch> factory reset failed?
[17:46] <rick_h_> yes
[17:47] <brousch> Install Linux!
[17:47] <cmaloney> It doesn't have a SD card on there does it?
[17:47] <brousch> Which is another way of saying I have no idea
[17:47] <rick_h_> cmaloney: no sd card
[17:48] <brousch> You could try letting the battery completely run out
[17:48] <rick_h_> ok
[17:48]  * rick_h_ takes it off the charger while it spinny dots
[17:49] <brousch> :(
[17:49] <rick_h_> hmm, 6mo old. wonder what the warranty is on this thing
[17:50] <jrwren> applecare? :)
[17:50] <cmaloney> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[17:50] <cmaloney> Not sure if you saw this.
[17:51] <rick_h_> ah, yea since I can get into recovery might be able to reflash the previous versoin.


[17:00] <danilos> me?
[17:01] <matsubara> moo
[17:01] <danilos> yoo
[17:01] <Ursinha> hahaha
[17:01] <matsubara> oinc
[17:01] <matsubara> farmiville meets launchpad
[17:02]  * rockstar
[17:02] <gary_poster> me
[17:02] <sinzui> me
[17:02] <Ursinha> argh
[17:02] <Ursinha> #startmeeting
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is Ursinha.
[17:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:02] <sinzui> me
[17:02] <Ursinha> sigh
[17:02] <matsubara> me
[17:02] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[17:02] <Ursinha> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome! Come "me" with the rest of us!
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[17:02] <sinzui> me
[17:02] <Ursinha> meeeeee
[17:02] <Chex> me
[17:02] <matsubara> me
[17:02] <Ursinha> sinzui is here several times
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools,
[17:03] <Ursinha> hi
[17:03]  * bigjools excuses himself from the meeting
[17:03] <bigjools> UDS...
[17:03] <Ursinha> I guess we don't have a bugs' person here
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools, I  have one question for you in the oops section, should be easy for you :)
[17:04] <Ursinha> ok
[17:04] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Agenda
[17:04] <Ursinha>  * Actions from last meeting
[17:04] <Ursinha>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:04] <Ursinha>  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:04] <Ursinha>  * DBA report (stub)
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[17:04] <Ursinha>  * QA stats of the week
[17:04] <Ursinha>  * Proposed items
[17:04] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[17:04] <Ursinha>     * Ursinha to triage lp-qa-tools bugs
[17:04] <Ursinha>        * done.
[17:04] <Ursinha>     * matsubara to talk to foundations about OOPS-1585G1243
[17:04] <Ursinha>         * Talked to Gary about it and filed https://launchpad.net/bugs/579987
[17:04] <Ursinha>     * adeuring to follow up on calculate_bug_heat script failure
[17:04] <Ursinha>     * matsubara to chase landing for bug 574493
[17:04] <Ursinha>         * Landed and CP'ed
[17:04] <Ursinha>     * matsubara to chase landing for bug 575426
[17:04] <Ursinha>         * Landed and CP'ed
[17:04] <Ursinha>     * matsubara to ask for the DBA report
[17:04] <Ursinha>         * emailed stub asking for it
[17:04] <Ursinha>     * all QA contacts to take orphaned commits' lists to their teams to check if were left untested items behind because they were orphaned commits
[17:04] <Ursinha> bot is sleeping
[17:04] <Ursinha> my stuff is ok, so is matsubara's
[17:05] <Ursinha> adeuring is not here to follow up on his item
[17:05] <Ursinha> [action] Ursinha to chase adeuring abour calculate_bug_heat failing script
[17:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Ursinha to chase adeuring abour calculate_bug_heat failing script
[17:05] <Ursinha> about the orphaned commits, we can discuss that in the QA section
[17:06] <Ursinha> moving on
[17:06] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:06] <Ursinha> One bug and one oops for code team, and one oops to soyuz
[17:06] <Ursinha> the code bug is bug 579004, triaged high and targetted to 10.05, seems to affect only staging
[17:06] <Ursinha> fine
[17:06] <Ursinha> the oops: rockstar, any ideas? https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1593S580
[17:06] <Ursinha> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1593EC1021, NotOneError seems to be bug 523346, already fix released, but I still see that happening
[17:06] <Ursinha> bigjools, is that the same thing? ^
[17:07] <bigjools> Ursinha: gah
[17:07] <rockstar> Ursinha, I'll file a bug.
[17:07] <bigjools> it's related
[17:08] <Ursinha> thanks rockstar
[17:08] <Ursinha> bigjools, may I file another bug?
[17:08] <bigjools> Ursinha: yes please, and mention that other one
[17:08] <Ursinha> bigjools, sure
[17:08] <bigjools> thanks
[17:08] <Ursinha> [action] Ursinha to file a bug for OOPS-1593EC1021, related to bug 523346
[17:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Ursinha to file a bug for OOPS-1593EC1021, related to bug 523346
[17:09] <Ursinha> thanks rockstar and bigjools, I love you both
[17:09] <Ursinha> moving on
[17:09] <Ursinha> calculate_bug_heat and upgrade_branches were the last scripts to fail
[17:09] <Ursinha> rockstar, do you know about the upgrade_branches? is that related to code as it seems?
[17:09] <bigjools> heh :)
[17:09] <rockstar> Ursinha, yes.  That script is my baby.
[17:09] <Ursinha> rockstar, oh, it seems it's been crying on his last runs
[17:10] <Ursinha> or its :)
[17:10] <rockstar> Ursinha, I'll look into it.
[17:10] <Ursinha> thanks rockstar
[17:10] <Ursinha> much appreciated
[17:10] <rockstar> Ursinha, the conjugated form was correct, since it's a conjugation of "it" and "has"
[17:10] <Ursinha> [action] rockstar to look into upgrade_branches failures
[17:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rockstar to look into upgrade_branches failures
[17:10] <Ursinha> rockstar, I was referring to s/his/its/ ;)
[17:10] <Ursinha> s/;)/:)
[17:11] <Ursinha> thanks :)
[17:11] <Ursinha> we have three critical bugs, two already fix committed: bug 574142 and bug 574493
[17:11] <Ursinha> gary_poster, sinzui, are those two going to be or were CPed?
[17:11] <Ursinha> there's one in progress, code, bug 578331, last comment was danilos'
[17:11] <Ursinha> how is that?
[17:11] <mwhudson> i think it's fix committed now?
[17:11] <danilos> Ursinha, it's on production-stable, needs CPing
[17:12] <Ursinha> oh, so mwhudson is here
[17:12] <mwhudson> oops
[17:12] <Ursinha> camper :)
[17:12] <mwhudson> my cover is busted
[17:12] <danilos> https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/prod_lp/builds/62
[17:12] <sinzui> Ursinha, it is fix released, I updated it
[17:12] <sinzui> now
[17:12] <gary_poster> Ursinha, I'm remebering only one critical and it has been CP'd--the log-out one
[17:12] <Ursinha> thanks sinzui
[17:12] <Ursinha> gary_poster, that one seems private, let me see
[17:13] <matsubara> Ursinha, 574493 was CP'ed
[17:13] <gary_poster> bug 574493, right?
[17:13] <gary_poster> that's CP'd
[17:13] <Ursinha> gary_poster, yes
[17:13] <gary_poster> cool
[17:13] <Ursinha> matsubara, gary_poster, so, it's fix released :) could you mark it as such, please?
[17:13] <Ursinha> or I can do that :)
[17:13] <gary_poster> will do
[17:13] <Ursinha> thank you
[17:14] <Ursinha> danilos, are you taking care of that CP?
[17:15] <matsubara> I didn't mark as fix released before because of gary's comment saying the fix was CP'd but not landed on devel. I was waiting for it to reach devel a go through the usual process
[17:15] <matsubara> s/a/and/
[17:15] <danilos> Ursinha, will do
[17:15] <gary_poster> matsubara, ack.  It happened early this morning
[17:15] <Ursinha> matsubara, that's ok, I was just wondering if they could be closed now
[17:15] <Ursinha> danilos, thanks
[17:15] <Ursinha> [action] danilos to take care of CPing bug 578331 fix
[17:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  danilos to take care of CPing bug 578331 fix
[17:16] <Ursinha> good
[17:16] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:16] <Ursinha> Chex, stage is all yours
[17:16] <Chex> hello everyone, here is this weeks LOSA report:
[17:16] <Chex> - Applied LP security fix for Bug# 578914
[17:16] <Chex>         : Rolled out in security mode, applying CP's to codebrowse & codehost, and cowboy edge.
[17:16] <Chex> - Bug 531071: app servers leaking memory
[17:16] <Chex>         : We have a few dump-logs now ( LPIncidentLog ) , has anyone looked at or could look at these to debug the issues here?
[17:16] <Chex>  - LP incidents of note: : Codebrowse fixed from hourly restarts after last week rollout, but still needs restarting, daily, or more. : ftp/poppy service crashed a few times this week, Bug 414482
[17:17] <Chex>         : Apr-11: CP 9339 App Servers & codehost/crowberry
[17:17] <Chex>         : Apr-12: CP 9341 to germanium/cocoplum
[17:17] <Chex>         : Apr-12: CP 9342 to lpnet/cocoplum & loganberry-bzrsyncd
[17:18] <Chex> questions/comments on the report?
[17:18] <danilos> I guess that's May, or an abbreviation for something like "Anonymous Public Report" :)
[17:18] <Chex> wow, yes sorry
[17:18] <Chex> .. s/Apr/May/ my mistake.
[17:18] <danilos> Chex, should we try to get bigjools to up the priority on poppy bug?
[17:19] <danilos> Chex, if that's bigjools territory at all?
[17:19] <bigjools> it is
[17:19] <bigjools> but it's a bug in zope
[17:19] <bigjools> so we're working around that by writing a new sftp server :)
[17:20] <Ursinha> what a workaround :)
[17:20] <danilos> woohoo, simple workarounds :)
[17:20] <gary_poster> probably late for this, but I'm always happy to try and apply pressure withing Zope community if necessary
[17:21] <bigjools> good to know, thanks
[17:21] <Ursinha> ok, anyone else?
[17:22] <Ursinha> bug 531071 maybe?
[17:22] <Ursinha> gary_poster, ^
[17:22] <Ursinha> this is already targeted to 10.04
[17:22] <gary_poster> we now have some meliae outputs as of the past week.  I'll be investigating them soon.
[17:22] <Chex> Ursinha: gary_poster: we have crash dumps of what was requested now on the app servers, if we can work with someone who wants to look at this
[17:23] <Ursinha> s/already/still/
[17:23] <Chex> gary_poster: ah fair enough, thank you
[17:23] <gary_poster> Chex: (I assume they are the same ones you are talking about--spm sent us some emails)
[17:23] <Ursinha> gary_poster, may I target that to this cycle?
[17:24] <Chex> gary_poster: yes I think so, what I saw in the incident logs was in spm
[17:24] <Chex> 's timeframe, so.
[17:24] <gary_poster> Chex: cool
[17:24] <gary_poster> Ursinha: too late ;-) but thanks
[17:24] <Ursinha> haha, thanks gary_poster :)
[17:24] <Ursinha> moving on then :)
[17:24] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub)
[17:24] <Ursinha> [action] send email to stub about the dba report of the week
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (stub)
[17:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  send email to stub about the dba report of the week
[17:24] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * QA stats of the week
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  * QA stats of the week
[17:24] <Ursinha> Untested items per team:
[17:24] <Ursinha> Code: 3
[17:24] <Ursinha> Foundations: 2
[17:24] <Ursinha> Registry: 0
[17:24] <Ursinha> Bugs: 3
[17:24] <Ursinha> Translations: 2
[17:24] <Ursinha> Soyuz: 3
[17:24] <Ursinha> Strategy: 0
[17:25] <gary_poster> Untested == QA?
[17:25] <gary_poster> duh
[17:25] <gary_poster> yes
[17:25] <Ursinha> :)
[17:25] <Ursinha> one thing I notice is that since we started using tags, we've been having less untested items at once
[17:25] <Ursinha> which is cool
[17:25] <Ursinha> :)
[17:26] <Ursinha> Untriaged bugs per project:
[17:26] <gary_poster> agreed
[17:26] <Ursinha> malone: 17
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-buildd: 12
[17:26] <Ursinha> lp-dev-utils: 9
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpadlib: 9
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-dev-moin-theme: 6
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-code: 5
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-foundations: 3
[17:26] <Ursinha> soyuz: 3
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-help-moin-theme: 3
[17:26] <Ursinha> lpbuildbot: 2
[17:26] <Ursinha> trac-launchpad-migrator: 2
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-news-wordpress-theme: 2
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-cscvs: 2
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad: 1
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-web: 1
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-loggerhead: 1
[17:26] <Ursinha> launchpad-documentation: 1
[17:26] <Ursinha> tickcount: 1
[17:27] <Ursinha> we're not that bad triaging bugs as well
[17:27] <Ursinha> about the orphaned commits
[17:28] <Ursinha> last week I asked the QA contacts to check with their teams all OCs that are yours, to see if we're leaving untested things behind
[17:28] <Ursinha> sinzui answered me, what about the others?
[17:28] <matsubara> I suck. I forgot to bring that up with my team
[17:28] <Ursinha> https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/QATeam/OrphanedCommits/10.04-devel and https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/QATeam/OrphanedCommits/10.04-db-devel
[17:29] <Ursinha> rockstar, and you?
[17:29] <rockstar> We talked about it.  I don't know if anyone did anything about it.
[17:29] <sinzui> I will bring up the branch-link-to-bug issue in the next reviewers meeting. Many contributors do not do this
[17:30] <danilos> Ursinha, I totally don't remember the discussion, which means that I suck
[17:30] <Ursinha> :)
[17:30] <sinzui> We could make ec2 land require a linked bug
[17:30] <Ursinha> c'mon people :)
[17:30] <Ursinha> sinzui, guess the problem is that not all commits really require bugs
[17:30] <rockstar> Oh no, I think we did talk about it, and determined that there were no orphaned commits.
[17:30] <wgrant> What about refactorings?
[17:30] <Ursinha> and not everyone uses ec2
[17:30] <sinzui> right
[17:30] <Ursinha> ah, hello wgrant :)
[17:30] <rockstar> However, we're also not linking bugs to branches in many cases.
[17:31] <wgrant> Ursinha: Yeah, I'm not asleep for once :P
[17:31] <sinzui> pqm submit certain is not
[17:31] <Ursinha> wgrant, :P
[17:31] <rockstar> Ursinha, we haven't really been tracking QA in the bugtracker - We've been using our Kanban board.
[17:31] <matsubara> if you use --fixes=lp:NNNN when you commit, then when you push the branch to LP, it'll be linked automatically
[17:31] <Ursinha> rockstar, I see. this is not good, but we fall again in the kanban board/lp integration
[17:31] <Ursinha> problem
[17:32] <matsubara> and the tagging script will find out which bug was fixed by that commit, even if it's not mentioned in the commit message
[17:32] <rockstar> Ursinha, well, we have two tools essentially doing the same thing.
[17:32] <Ursinha> rockstar, also what matsubara said
[17:32] <sinzui> I still use the milestone because I am tracking every registry related blueprint and bug that I may be required to land a RC for
[17:32] <danilos> Ursinha, fwiw, I've looked through the orphan commits now and there is only one by a translations dev and that one was qa-ok :)
[17:33] <Ursinha> I don't know what everyone else agrees, but I think we should maintain lp updated so when we integrate that with kanban we'll all be used to the lp dance
[17:33] <Ursinha> thanks danilos
[17:33] <sinzui> Every contributor or even developer from another team gets their in progress bugs targets to a milestone and I verify the number of fix committed is the same number as qa-ok
[17:33] <rockstar> Ursinha, asking us to keep two duplicate tools in sync manually seems crazy.
[17:34] <gary_poster> Foundations often has multiple commits as we pursue a larger bug
[17:34] <Ursinha> rockstar, but is that hard to use --fixes or link a bug to a branch?
[17:34] <sinzui> danilos, the registry orphaned commits were for contributor branches that we landed and for testfix
[17:34] <rockstar> Ursinha, no, but I don't want to create a kanban task AND a bug for something I'm about to do.
[17:34] <danilos> sinzui, I count adiroiban as a translations developer as well :)
[17:34] <rockstar> And then move them both through their own separate processes.
[17:34] <gary_poster> We also have kanban cards for our tasks
[17:34] <rockstar> I can't use --fixes if there isn't a bug...
[17:35] <Ursinha> rockstar, I thought that the whole team had agreed on using lp as qa tracker
[17:35] <sinzui> He applied to be an lp engineer. He should be counted on someone's team
[17:35] <Ursinha> did I get this wrong?
[17:35] <rockstar> Ursinha, maybe, but the code team isn't doing it that way, and we've found that the kanban board has been the tool we've preferred.
[17:35] <Ursinha> I guess that needs to be discussed then
[17:36] <rockstar> Ursinha, we get our stuff QA'd, so it's not like things are falling through the cracks, but it doesn't have great visibility.
[17:36] <Ursinha> if you're preferring another tool, we should discuss the problems
[17:36] <rockstar> Ursinha, the problem is that we have two tools...
[17:36] <gary_poster> Ursinha: do I understand correctly that you are saying that orphan commits are bad?
[17:36] <Ursinha> rockstar, imo the problem is that we don't have kanban integration
[17:36] <danilos> Ursinha, rockstar: it's a recognized problem, and flacoste promises us we'll do something about it (two tools for the same job)
[17:36] <gary_poster> because of the QA-through-LP initiative?
[17:36] <Ursinha> gary_poster, only if they are really orphaned
[17:36] <danilos> Ursinha, let's move on
[17:37] <danilos> at least that's my take on it
[17:37] <matsubara> gary_poster, not necessarily bad, we just don't want those falling through the cracks
[17:37] <Ursinha> gary_poster, in the sense that it should have been qaed and it isn't
[17:37] <Ursinha> what matsubara said
[17:37] <gary_poster> ...and if we use LP for qa then how do we know?
[17:37] <gary_poster> right
[17:37] <matsubara> if you use LP as the QA tracker, then we have tools to help remind you that some QA is needed
[17:38] <gary_poster> I think this is a matter for discussion, but maybe not here.  mailing list?
[17:38] <Ursinha> doesn't matter if it doesn't have a bug when it doesn't need to have, the problem is not having a bug when it should
[17:38] <Ursinha> agreed gary_poster
[17:38] <gary_poster> cool
[17:38] <matsubara> if you start landing OCs, then the tools can't help remind you that QA needs to be done
[17:38] <Ursinha> so, in this meantime, I'd like to ask you to once in a while take a look in the OC list
[17:39] <Ursinha> and see if any important things are missing
[17:39] <Ursinha> https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/QATeam/OrphanedCommits/10.05-devel and https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/QATeam/OrphanedCommits/10.05-db-devel this cycle
[17:39] <Ursinha> anyone else want to say something?
[17:39] <Ursinha> moving on :)
[17:39] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Proposed items
[17:39] <Ursinha> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See https://dev.launchpad.net/MeetingAgenda for the logs.
[17:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Proposed items
[17:39] <Ursinha> #endmeeting
[17:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:39.
[17:40] <Ursinha> errrrr bad paste :)
[17:40] <Ursinha> but we didn't have any other proposed items, so, nevermind :)
[17:40] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:40] <matsubara> thanks Ursinha
[17:40] <gary_poster> thank you
[17:40] <Ursinha> thanks everyone for this week's meeting :)
[17:41] <danilos> cheers


[21:36] <robert_ancell> thomi,hey, I seem to have forgotten my password for jenkins / it has locked me out. Is it easy to reset?
[21:47] <thomi> robert_ancell: sure, let me take a look
[21:48] <thomi> sorry for the delay - I did a dist-upgrade, and then had no usable desktop for a while :-/
[21:48] <thomi> robert_ancell: BTW, do you know what the current state of mir-on-X is?
[21:49] <robert_ancell> thomi, still in progress
[21:49] <thomi> ok, at some point I'd like to ask you some stupid questions about the stress test stuff I'm starting
[22:02] <robert_ancell> Interesting, Jenkins has colour blindness support
[22:02] <robert_ancell> It would be nice to have "not sucky UI support" too
[22:02] <robert_ancell> thomi, sure, I'm off from tomorrow so today is probably a good time
[22:03] <thomi> haha
[22:03] <thomi> robert_ancell: OK, perhaps some time this afternoon?
[22:03] <robert_ancell> sure
[22:04] <robert_ancell> thomi, btw, I think the CI is broken on the lightdm unity branch: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-team-lightdm-unity-raring-amd64-ci/10/console
[22:04] <robert_ancell> I put the debian dir into the branch, and it looks like it might be still trying to merge a debian branch
[22:05] <thomi> robert_ancell: ahh ok, that's an easy fix, but we'll need to wait for Francis to come online before he can redeploy the config
[22:06] <thomi> I'll add it to my list of things to do today.
[22:06] <robert_ancell> no rush
[22:33] <robert_ancell> thomi, if I push directly to a branch, will Jenkins build packages? (i.e. if I skip the broken CI for now and just push on)
[22:33]  * robert_ancell starts a dist-upgrade to saucy
[22:34] <thomi> robert_ancell: no
[22:34] <thomi> robert_ancell: packages get built as part of the autolanding process
[22:34] <robert_ancell> ok, I thought so
[22:34] <thomi> robert_ancell: however, there's a generic jenkins job I can use to build & dput a package
[22:34] <thomi> so we can fake it till I fix the config
[22:35] <robert_ancell> thomi, what do you recommend we do for releases then? I think merges don't handle tagging right. So when I released mir 0.0.3 I didn't do it thought a MP
[22:35] <robert_ancell> (note doesn't matter much in our case since we merge so often)
[22:36] <thomi> robert_ancell: well, the way things are "supposed" to work is that every push to trunk is a release. If you want to do a major release, you can just update debian/changelog with the new version number you want
[22:36] <robert_ancell> thomi, what about tagging that release number?
[22:36] <robert_ancell> revision number I mean
[22:36] <thomi> I think tags get merged with branch merges?
[22:37] <thomi> surely...
[22:37] <thomi> I've never tried though
[22:37] <robert_ancell> yeah, I *hope* that's the case but I'm not sure.
[22:37] <thomi> so I think you should be abel to tag the branch in your MP
[22:37] <thomi> worth a try anyway
[22:37] <robert_ancell> In my experience with bzr it tends to not always take everything from the branch, e.g. attribution
[22:38] <robert_ancell> yeah, I'll try next time. Though bzr/lp is famously bad at being possible in theory but impossible in practise to move/correct tags
[23:13] <thomi> robert_ancell: with the mir stress test, do we care whether the client makes accelerated calls or not? I'm not sure if there are different code paths server side?
[23:13] <robert_ancell> thomi, I guess we should test both? From Mirs point of view I don't think it matters much how the buffers are filled
[23:14] <thomi> I guess I can hack up an unaccelerated one, and let one of the graphics gurus add the accelerated version...
[23:14] <thomi> cool
[23:14] <robert_ancell> I *think* the accelerated one will be testing mesa, and the non-accelerated one will be testing without
[23:14] <robert_ancell> So we can look at the difference and probably have some idea of the mesa overhead
[23:14] <thomi> cool


[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #127096 in xrandr (main) "nvidia through DVI screen resolution incorrectly detected as 1024x768 on a HP F1905B LCD monitor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127096
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[00:04] <Xenocide21> anyone know if there is a software way to increase fan speed?
[00:24] <dark_abyss0> I cant get a mp3s to play can I get some help?
[00:28] <G-Blunted> hey i had that problem too
[00:28] <G-Blunted> look for the extra codec package in synaptic
[00:28] <G-Blunted> filter for "codec" or "extracodec"
[00:29] <G-Blunted> havn't tried it yet tho, so plz tell me if that works for you :)
[00:48] <keres> how do you install xubuntu inside of a windows install without booting from the CD? this laptop is said to not boot from a CD.
[00:53] <G-Blunted> cd work?
[00:53] <G-Blunted> player
[01:00] <charlie-tca> Use wubi?
[01:11] <Mood> keres: get to bios and change boot order
[02:40] <keres> I'm following this tutorial on how to install linux without burning a CD, and i need to get vmlinuz and initrd.gz off my xubuntu CD. these files are not in d:/isolinux where they are supposed to be inside of ubuntu
[02:41] <keres> is there an equivelant to these on xubuntu?
[02:42] <keres> nevermind, got it
[02:42] <zoredache> not sure where they are on the filesystem, but they are there somewhere
[04:02] <keres> when installing xubuntu on a crappy laptop i get to the first dialog window, the mouse cursor changes depending on where it is in the dialog but the dialog is completely empty
[04:18] <rocko> keres you there ?
[04:18] <rocko> what does this mean any body "Have you ever been bonded?"
[04:18] <rocko> what is BONDED ?
[04:39] <corey__> what's the install requirements (disk, memory, processor) for xubuntu?
[04:41] <Mood> what do you have?
[04:44] <corey__> I'll be installing on a CF card
[04:45] <corey__> memory and processor isn't an issue, was just curious
[04:45] <rocko> what is a CF card corey__ ?
[04:46] <corey__> rocko, CF stands for Compact Flash.
[04:46] <rocko> I see
[04:46] <rocko> what does that offer ?
[04:47] <corey__> it offers a flash based disk for decreased access times and no moving parts
[04:48] <rocko> I see
[04:49] <rocko> you mean for you to be able to put in a solid state memory hard drive corey__
[04:49] <corey__> I hear around that debian would require about 1 gig for installation?
[04:50] <corey__> rocko, yes my server uses a CF slot to boot from and I wish to keep xubuntu on it but I'm not sure of the required disk size to fit the installation
[04:54] <rocko> I am not sure it depends on if you want gui or not corey__
[04:54] <rocko> you could do a net install with debian and just select what you want
[04:55] <corey__> yes that is most likely what will happen. I'll assume a 1gb card will suffice
[05:47] <jkoltner> Question: How do I go about adding one of the programs on the regular application menu as an icon on a panel?  I just want to add "Terminal," but right-clicking the panel and selecting "Add New Item" doesn't show "Terminal" is an avaialble item.
[05:53] <jkoltner> Question: How do I go about adding one of the programs on the regular application menu as an icon on a panel?  I just want to add "Terminal," but right-clicking the panel and selecting "Add New Item" doesn't show "Terminal" is an avaialble item.
[06:10] <owen1> I use vaio with 1.33GHz (with xubuntu). my CPU reaches 100% everytime a page load on FF3. is it normal?
[06:12] <jkoltner> If you're using a high-speed (DSL/cable modem) connection, then I'd say yes, it is -- I have an Atom-based (1.6GHz) PC, and it does the same thing.
[06:13] <owen1> jkoltner: dsl, wireless.
[06:13] <forces> owen1, if you see a page with flash, yes
[06:14] <owen1> jkoltner: forces : i think it's every page. i need to test more.
[06:14] <jkoltner> owen1: You might try to find some "mostly text" pages to make the page really easy to render
[06:14] <forces> owen1, test www.debian.org
[06:14] <forces> just HTML and CSS
[06:15] <owen1> i used to have xp on this computer for a year, and i don't remember any issues.
[06:16]  * forces #sleep
[06:17] <jkoltner> Pegging your CPU while a page loads isn't usually a problem -- the rest of the system will keep multitasking while the page is loading, and if anything, multitasking works better under Linux than under Windows.
[06:17] <jkoltner> Granted, that might be little comfort for you.
[06:18] <owen1> but i have to wait 2 seconds just to be able to type anything. how do i know it's not a virus?
[06:19] <jkoltner> Try booting from a live CD or USB memory stick?
[06:19] <owen1> forces: even on debian's site, the cpu reached 100%
[06:22] <forces> that's not a virus
[06:22] <forces> ¬.¬
[06:22] <forces> u.u
[06:22] <forces> this isn't windows
[06:22] <forces> I think you can limit your CPU
[06:22] <forces> limit firefox*
[06:23] <forces> about:config
[06:23] <forces> I don't remember, but If you search you will find it
[06:24] <owen1> ok. i'll google for it.
[06:53] <owen1> is it possible to replace the cpu?
[06:53] <jkoltner> I'm guessing you're using a laptop there, Owen1?  In that case it's rarely possible to do so.
[06:53] <jkoltner> (Few laptops have socketed CPUs, although this isn't 100% the case.)
[06:54] <owen1> jkoltner: true. it's a vaio laptop
[06:54] <owen1> jkoltner: i wonder how much cpu i need to make my cpu calm down while browsing.
[06:55] <jkoltner> I'd suggest Googling the specific model that it is, along with, e.g., "cpu upgrade" and check the results...
[06:55] <jkoltner> Perhaps you can convince a few friends with faster laptops to let you boot a live CD?
[06:57] <jkoltner> I have an Atom 1.6GHz netbook that pegs the CPU, but also a AMD Turion 2 2.4GHz CPU that is generally never hitting 100%, but that doesn't say much because the AMD is probably at least 4x faster overall than the Atom.
[06:57] <jkoltner> I've got to get going... good luck!
[08:11] <R1cochet> does xubuntu have a disk defrag tool?
[08:12] <_Pete_> defragging is filesystem specific not xubuntu specific
[08:12] <R1cochet> ok so is there a tool to defrag a drive?
[08:13] <_Pete_> I am not sure if you even need one depends on the filesystem you use
[08:13] <R1cochet> im using ext3 for nix but i have 2 other drives that are ntfs
[08:16] <_Pete_> according to goole there seems to be http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsdefrag
[08:16] <_Pete_> oops
[08:16] <_Pete_> but that doesnt exists :)
[09:41] <myownserver> Can someone here tell me what the advantage is to using Xubuntu over other Ubuntu distros?
[09:54] <rocko> it uses Xfce 4 instead of kde or gnome myownserver
[09:55] <rocko> installing xfce on ubuntu or kubuntu will leave you will a lot of gnome and kde programs to remove if you are not going to use those desktop environments any more myownserver
[10:05] <jxander> how could i make xfce forget running applications, so it won't start multiple instances of apps when i log in next time?
[10:11] <jxander> any idea?
[10:16] <knome> jxander, 1: close *any* apps you don't want to run on login.
[10:16] <knome> jxander, 2: log out an uncheck the "save session for future login" box
[10:16] <knome> i mean... 2: do not uncheck, but log out :P
[10:16] <knome> 3: log in
[10:16] <knome> 4: next time you log out, uncheck the box
[10:20] <jxander> oh... lol... so I should remove the entries from autostarted apps, right?
[10:21] <Myrtti> mmmm no
[10:24] <jxander> i'm confused... so i should save a session and then disable next time save ses for future logins?
[10:24] <knome> yes, save session with no apps running
[10:27] <jxander> knome: thanks... i'll do that... now, back to snow shoveling... have a nice day!
[10:27] <knome> jxander, you too.
[10:35] <rocko> http://www.inatux.com/gnu
[10:37] <Steve_> hi all - i am a first time xubuntu user - what would you recommend for the easyest way to get windows network browsing accomplished? - thanks
[10:51] <durt> Steve_: If your still here, there is a tool under Applications -> System Tools called Shared Folders that will help you setup windows file sharing (cifs/smb/Samba), but you need a separate app to "browse" a network Thunar currently does not have that ability, but by all accounts will in Jaunty. I suggest pyneighbourhood for that or search synaptic for others.
[10:55] <Steve_> ok great
[10:56] <Steve_> I have set up the folder in shared folders
[10:56] <Steve_> and have pyneighborhood installed, which i am running as root, I can see the shared directory ion my windows box but that is as far as I can get
[10:57] <Steve_> it sayd failed to mount
[10:57] <Steve_> says
[10:57] <Steve_> the mount folder is a writable folder, any ideas why it wouldnt mount?
[10:57] <Steve_> thanks
[10:59] <durt> have you created the folder? does it exist?
[11:00] <Steve_> yeah its in home/myusername/
[11:01] <durt> generally in unix/linux the term is directory (dir), not folder (windows term) or in cases like this it's a 'mount point', root might not have privlegdes to your home dir.
[11:02] <Steve_> yeah, i really need to start speaking less windows-y :)
[11:03] <Steve_> ill try running it not in root
[11:03] <R1cochet> is gajim like pidgin in that pidgin can connect to multiple messenger servers at the same time?
[11:08] <Steve_> it returned the following [: 2: /home/myusername/.pyNeighborhood: unexpected operator
[11:08] <Steve_> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/myusername/.pyNeighborhood': File exists
[11:09] <TheSheep> R1cochet: gajim can only connect to jabber services, but there may be gateways to other services on your server
[11:11] <durt> Steve_: Whoa, stay away from .pyNeighborhood, just mkdir /home/<username>/public or some such.
[11:16] <rocko> FREE AS IN FREEDOM http://www.inatux.com/gnu
[11:17] <TheSheep> rocko: are you spamming?
[11:17] <_Pete_> so freedom cost only $274.99 (without monitor)
[11:18] <rocko> no TheSheep
[11:18] <rocko> you do not understand do you _Pete_
[11:18] <TheSheep> rocko: then how would you call it?
[11:19] <rocko> informing you
[11:19] <knome> rocko, nobody asked for that
[11:19] <rocko> with an alternative to the proprietary ubuntu os
[11:19] <durt> !offtopic
[11:19] <TheSheep> rocko: this is a support channel, please go to #xubuntu-offtopic for unrelated chatter
[11:20] <Steve_> yes! that worked perfectly durt, thanks very much for the help, I appreciate the help, this is my second go at linux, the first being some 10 years ago, people so helpful back than
[11:20] <durt> np
[11:21] <Steve_> * people not so
[11:21] <TheSheep> Steve_: you must have tried debian ;)
[11:22] <durt> Considering the state of linux dev back then I doubt something like ubuntu would be possible.
[11:22] <Steve_> is there any particular reason all this stuff isnt all turned on and installed by default? it is just to strip it down as much as possible?
[11:24] <durt> Steve_: a lot of people would never touch windows networking with a 60' pole. :-)
[11:24] <rocko> debian rules
[11:24] <rocko> you should also try out sidux
[11:24] <TheSheep> Steve_: there are many reasons, depending on which stuff you mean. samba browsing requires some manual setup, samba shares are nto enabled to discourage using it, codecs are not installed because they are illegal in some countries, etc.
[11:25] <rocko> sidux is a good alternative to distros packages with debian sid like ubuntu
[11:25] <rocko> it is vanilla does not really add any thing to it like the other distros like it so it works smoother
[11:26] <rocko> going to switch to it soon
[11:26] <Steve_> yeah, i understand that they wouldnt want to encourage using windows netwokring, but it sure would help bridge the gap for people like myself who, if they werent from an irc background, would maybe have given up already :)
[11:27] <rocko> why do you want to use windows networking Steve_ ?
[11:27] <rocko> you mean like SMB?
[11:27] <Steve_> thats what all of the other boxes are configured to and use
[11:27] <Steve_> this is the only linux on the network
[11:28] <Steve_> will slowely move them all over once i get good at it
[11:33] <Steve_> again, many thanks for the help durt
[12:23] <pwcq_> hi
[12:24] <pwcq_> is it safe to update to xfce4.6 on xubuntu 8.10?
[12:24] <TheSheep> no
[12:24] <TheSheep> !beta
[12:25] <TheSheep> hmm... not what I meant
[12:25] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[12:25] <TheSheep> here :)
[12:25] <pwcq_> TheSheep: I mean I know it's not finished version, but does it depend on some additional libraries (like hal) which could make the whole system unstable?
[12:27] <TheSheep> it can make your xfce unstable
[12:30] <pwcq_> TheSheep: I can deal with that, the only thing that I'm afraid is that it will pull some unstable versions of core libraries
[12:32] <TheSheep> like libxfce4gui?
[12:33] <TheSheep> pwcq_: what's 'core'?
[12:36] <pwcq_> TheSheep: xserver, gdm, cups daemon, hal...
[12:37] <pwcq_> I guess xfce depends on this packages
[12:37] <pwcq_> ohh... the most important: gtk libs
[12:40] <pwcq_> TheSheep: btw, does it work for you? ;)
[12:42] <TheSheep> pwcq_: patially
[12:42] <TheSheep> partially
[12:42] <knome> lol
[12:42] <TheSheep> pwcq_: ut I'm on jaunty now
[12:42] <knome> does it usually drop the R-letters?
[12:43]  * TheSheep <-- practicing touchtyping :/
[12:44] <knome> hah
[13:13] <pwcq_> inkscape-svn 20701-1  Last Updated: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:10:57 +0000
[13:13] <pwcq_> damn...
[13:13] <pwcq_> sorry, wrong channel
[13:42] <Pres-Gas> Hey all
[13:52] <titan-ark> Pres-Gas, hey :)
[13:59] <cody-somerville> \o_
[14:06] <Pres-Gas> Nice dancin' cody-somerville.
[14:06] <cody-somerville> :)
[14:07] <Pres-Gas> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another crisis averted!
[14:28] <Mizzy^> hi
[14:31] <Mizzy^> anyone around?
[14:32] <Pres-Gas> Hello, Mizzy^
[14:33] <Mizzy^> Hi
[14:34] <Mizzy^> I was wondering if there was an easy way to toggle between enabling/disabling the gui environment in xubuntu?
[14:34] <Mizzy^> Sorry my terminology is probably off there, I am not very good with this stuff.
[14:34] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f1 / alt+ctrl+f7
[14:36] <Mizzy^> i mean at bootup
[14:37] <Pres-Gas> !upstart
[14:39] <Mizzy^> so, that doesn't look particularly easy
[14:39] <Mizzy^> I was hoping there was just a setting somewhere
[14:44] <Pres-Gas> I see a script that looks to emulate inittab in /etc/event.d that is where the upstart files are located
[14:45] <Mizzy^> sorry that is all way over my head
[14:45] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: well, you can do /etc/init.d/gdm stop   or  start
[14:46] <TheSheep> Mizzy^: ^
[14:46] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, TheSheep, isn't there a way to issue runlevel in grub?  It is excaping me at the moment.
[14:46]  * Pres-Gas RTFM's
[14:47] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: yeah, just put a number as the boot option
[14:48] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: but ubuntu has all runlevels, except special ones, equal, debian-style
[14:48] <TheSheep> of course you can change that
[14:49] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, but that should cover the one off "I really want console this time, but GUI by defalult".
[14:49] <Pres-Gas> Mizzy^, why are you wanting to get the console occasionally?
[14:49] <Pres-Gas> That may help TheSheep and I narrow your options down
[14:50] <Mizzy^> it is running on a pretty old computer and the GUI environment tends to make things run slower because it uses CPU time
[14:51] <Mizzy^> it is a computer that sits away from my desk and I just remote into it with VNC
[14:51] <Mizzy^> it was set up to auto login, and when it starts up it automatically runs something called 'x eleven vnc'
[14:52] <TheSheep> Mizzy^: if you don't mind logging in text mode each time, you can disable gdm altogether and just start startxfce4 when you want gui
[14:52] <Pres-Gas> Are you accessing it on a lan (your home/work) or outside (coffeeshop)?
[14:53] <Mizzy^> it is a home network
[14:53] <Pres-Gas> Do you ever want to access it ouside of home, Mizzy^?
[14:54] <Mizzy^> i think if it just booted into text mode, but auto logged-in and ran that vnc thing and I could still connect in text mode, that would be good.  then i could just start up the gui if i wanted to
[14:54] <Mizzy^> no i dont think i would need to at this time
[14:55] <Pres-Gas> ubottu, tell Mizzy^ about vnc
[14:55] <Pres-Gas> The link there you should bookmark in case you want to access it from the outside, Mizzy^
[14:56] <Mizzy^> i see it mentioned something about freenx too.. someone told me about that and i looked at it but i think it was pretty complicated to set it up
[14:57] <Pres-Gas> It has gotten better, but yeah, you need to read up
[14:57] <_Pete_> Mizzy^: for me it worked by just installing the .deb packages
[15:00] <Mizzy^> So is it possible to continue what I'm doing now but boot into the text mode instead?
[15:00] <Mizzy^> brb
[15:11] <Mizzy^> back
[15:31] <Mizzy^> i guess everyone disappeared
[15:32] <Pres-Gas> Nope, just at our day jobs or lurking, shake the jar by just asking a question and the fireflies will light up...
[15:33] <Pres-Gas> Just don't shake too hard
[15:33] <Mizzy^> haha I am at my job too
[15:34] <Mizzy^>  I'm just not clear on if this is going to work, or how to do it.  I want to be able to start up in text mode, and automatically run the vnc thing, so I can remote in.
[15:34] <Mizzy^> someone mentioned something about 'startxfce4' manually each time, which I think would work ok
[15:39] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, there is a way to kill off gdm (Gnome Display Manager)
[15:40] <Mizzy^> i thought it was 'xfce' and not gnome?
[15:41] <Myrtti> Mizzy^: xfce uses gdm
[15:41] <Myrtti> well, xubuntu uses gdm
[15:41] <Mizzy^> I guess I'm not familiar with what that is :\
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> The short version, Mizzy^ is that you will need to install the package called !sysv-rc-conf, read up on how to use it, and edit rc2 (the default runlevel) to not start !gdm
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> gerrr
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> !sysv-rc-conf
[15:46]  * Pres-Gas shakes fist at ubottu.
[15:47] <Mizzy^> Why is everything named so obscurly?
[15:47] <Pres-Gas> Myrtti or TheSheep, does my short version sound good or you all have better options?
[15:49] <Mizzy^> There should just be a dang checkbox in the settings :-\
[15:51] <Pres-Gas> Mizzy^, you are a genius!!! I forgot about Services.  If you go to the main menu and then go to System, you should see an app called Services
[15:52] <Pres-Gas> Open it up and unlock it...then you should be able to uncheck gdm.
[15:52]  * Pres-Gas is too in love with the commandline and forgot that there was a GUI option for this.
[16:03] <Mizzy^> I am definitely not a genius when it comes to this linux stuff :|
[16:03] <Mizzy^> Ok I will try to uncheck GDM in there today.
[16:03] <Mizzy^> Then when I boot up... what happens?
[16:04] <Pres-Gas> you should just get a text login prompt
[16:05] <Mizzy^> hmm
[16:05] <Mizzy^> that is an issue
[16:05] <Pres-Gas> Everything else should go fine...now this autologin thing you have going, Mizzy^, describe that a bit more
[16:05] <Mizzy^> yeah
[16:05] <Pres-Gas> before you totally dive in
[16:05] <Mizzy^> ok so right now it does auto login
[16:05] <Mizzy^> so the desktop just comes up
[16:06] <Mizzy^> then, under settings, there is an entry for the vnc thing to run on startup
[16:06] <Mizzy^> so basically, without logging in, vnc wouldn't start
[16:06] <Mizzy^> and I wouldn't be able to connect
[16:09] <Pres-Gas> What is the thing called under Settings?
[16:10] <Mizzy^> oh boy I don't remember for sure
[16:10] <charlie-tca> login window
[16:10] <Mizzy^> I remember that.. you click on the Applications thing in the top left
[16:10] <Mizzy^> and it's the first option down..
[16:10] <Mizzy^> then the little panel pops up and there's an option in there for things to auto run on startup
[16:13] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, I dont' think so, but maybe.  Mizzy^ did someone help you set this up?
[16:13] <Mizzy^> yeah
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Sounds like auto-start in settings manager
[16:13] <Mizzy^> yes that sounds like it
[16:13] <Mizzy^> it is a big long command for "x11vnc"
[16:14] <Mizzy^> it has parameters or whatever to make it so there's a password and stuff
[16:14] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, that command would have to be set somewhere else, eh?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> You can set it up in autostarted apps, using the add button and writing a one-line script
[16:16] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, but Mizzy^ wants to get rid of the GUI upon occasion.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> yet be able to autologin to the desktop at other times?
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> Mizzy^, I would seriously go with the documentation ubottu provided or talk to the person who set you up...If you want to be independent on this, read up on vnc a bit, though.
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> !vnc
[16:18] <charlie-tca> agreed
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> The documentation is pretty good, really it is
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Hard to change what someone else decided to try
[16:19] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, there may be things that you don't know your helper set up that we would accidentally break, Mizzy^.
[16:21] <Mizzy^> I know what vnc is, I use it regularly on windows machines
[16:21] <Mizzy^> I know how he set it up, I was right there. :)
[16:21] <Mizzy^> He put the x11vnc line in the auto start section
[16:28] <_Pete_> Mizzy^: I just tried, with freenx you can use remote desktop even the X is not running on the remote machine
[16:28] <_Pete_> wouldn't that solve your problem?
[16:30] <adye> hello
[16:31] <Pres-Gas> !freenx
[16:31] <adye> i have a problem......... my screen resolution is only 800 X 600? any idea how i can resolve the issue
[16:31] <adye> i installed the lastest xubuntu 8.10
[16:32] <charlie-tca> adye: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[16:33] <adye> ok TY
[16:33] <Pres-Gas> ubottu, tell adye about resolution
[16:33] <adye> ok
[16:38] <Mizzy^> yes FreeNX might work
[16:39] <Mizzy^> I am not overly confident in my abilities to get it installed, but I will try
[16:39] <Mizzy^> can you use that apt-get thingy?
[16:39] <Pres-Gas> Just take your time and make copies of files the instructions tell you to edit, Mizzy^
[16:39] <Pres-Gas> apt-get or aptitude or synaptic
[16:39] <adye> hi im back
[16:40] <adye> my computer freeze with your command
[16:40] <Pres-Gas> wb
[16:40] <adye> ubottu
[16:41] <adye> i need easy command..for setting my resolution 1024 X780  ?
[16:41] <adye> anyone know one command for do that
[16:41] <adye> my computer is laptop a20 satellite
[16:41] <adye> toshiba
[16:42] <TheSheep> adye: xrandr
[16:42] <adye> ok ty
[16:42] <adye> i got
[16:42] <adye> that
[16:43] <adye> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
[16:43] <adye> default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[16:43] <adye>    800x600        60.0*    56.0
[16:43] <adye>    640x480        60.0
[16:43] <adye>    400x300        60.0     56.0
[16:43] <adye>    320x240        60.0
[16:44] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, I had ubottu tell adye about !resolution. Must not have seen that there was a link to what you were talking about...RTFM....RTFM.
[16:44] <adye> hi im back
[16:45] <Pres-Gas> adye, there was a link to a wiki page...read up on that
[16:45] <Pres-Gas> !resolution
[16:45] <TheSheep> adye: xrandr takes parameters, you can see what they are with xrandr --help and read more about them with 'man xrandr'
[16:45] <TheSheep> adye: one of the functions lets you change the resolution
[16:45] <adye> okkk
[16:46] <TheSheep> adye: also, please read that page on the wiki
[16:46] <adye> so what i should do..use xrandry^
[16:46] <adye> or try to restart x
[16:46] <TheSheep> adye: it has some more helpful advices
[16:47] <adye> ok
[16:47] <TheSheep> I think restarting shouldn't be necessary
[16:48] <adye> ook thesheep..any way to setting auto   ?
[16:48] <adye> to my resolution
[16:48] <TheSheep> xrandr --auto
[16:48] <adye> ok ty
[16:48] <adye>  i will try that
[16:49] <TheSheep> but your problem might be that your graphics card driver thnks that your monitor can't handle larger resolutions
[16:49] <adye> oook thesheep.where i can update my driver card ?any idea
[16:50] <TheSheep> adye: if you go to system->hardware drivers, it will tell you if you use any special drivers
[16:50] <TheSheep> and let you enable them if not
[16:50] <adye> thesheep
[16:50] <adye> is it normal
[16:50] <adye> i dont see system
[16:50] <TheSheep> in the menu
[16:51] <TheSheep> applications->system->hardware drivers
[16:51] <adye> ok
[16:52] <adye> my driver for my graphic card.is not there
[16:52] <TheSheep> what does 'lspci | grep VGA' say?
[16:52] <TheSheep> in terminal
[16:53] <TheSheep> it's a single line, you can paste it here :)
[16:53] <Mizzy^> Ok, I will look into this FreeNX thing.
[16:53] <adye> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XPAi1 (rev 82)
[16:55] <TheSheep> that card doesn't need any special drivers, it should just work
[16:56] <adye> thesheep..my computer is laptop toshiba a20
[16:56] <adye> satellite
[16:57] <TheSheep> adye: somobody had the same problem http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3099842.0
[16:57] <adye> ok ty and is it resolve one the forum
[16:59] <TheSheep> adye: he replaced his /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with the one he posted there
[16:59] <TheSheep> adye: you can edit yours with 'sudo mousepad /etc/xorg.conf'
[16:59] <TheSheep> sorry
[16:59] <TheSheep> adye: 'sudo mousepad /etc/X11//xorg.conf'
[17:02] <adye> ok the sheep
[17:02] <adye> what i should edit in  my
[17:02] <adye> xorg.conf
[17:04] <TheSheep> adye: he posted his on that forum, just replace it
[17:05] <adye> ok i willl try that
[17:05] <adye> that
[17:06] <adye> ok i saved
[17:07] <adye> i wiill try to rebboot ^ ? can i know without reboot
[17:07] <adye> ^
[17:07] <adye> ?
[17:07] <TheSheep> now close all your apps and restart X by pressing alt+ctrl+backspace
[17:07] <TheSheep> you will have to relogin
[17:07] <adye> ok
[17:09] <adye> im back
[17:09] <adye> ;)
[17:09] <adye> my resolution 1080....working
[17:09] <adye> :)
[17:09] <TheSheep> great
[17:09] <adye> ty
[17:09] <adye> i have another question...
[17:10] <adye> i cannot find the samba gui..or add new samba folder
[17:10] <adye> ^
[17:10] <adye> in xubuntu
[17:10] <adye> 8.10
[17:10] <TheSheep> applications->system->shared folders
[17:11] <adye> ok ty sheep..im so beginner
[17:11] <TheSheep> no problem, we are here to help
[17:12] <adye> the sheep..whats difference between ubuntu and uxbuntu  ?
[17:14] <TheSheep> z!xubuntu
[17:14] <TheSheep> !xubuntu
[17:15] <adye> i tried...shared folder..and i clicked install..after,  add are still in grey
[17:15] <TheSheep> adye: try 'unlock'
[17:16] <adye> where i can enter the full smb path
[17:18] <adye> thesheep..i dont want share..  i want use smb client.for access to my shares
[17:18] <adye> on another microsoft computer
[17:18] <adye> ?
[17:18] <Pres-Gas> !mount.cifs
[17:19]  * Pres-Gas continues to shake fist at ubottu
[17:19] <TheSheep> !fusesmb
[17:19] <TheSheep> adye: short answer is that xubuntu can't do it by itself, long answer is taht you can do it with FUSE
[17:20] <TheSheep> adye: ut it requires some setup
[17:20] <adye> ok thesheep.. can you give a little guidance..im newbie ?
[17:20] <adye> where i should go to install fuse
[17:21] <steve``> apt-get install fusesmb
[17:22] <adye> ok after
[17:22] <adye> steve
[17:22] <Pres-Gas> A thorough reading of this should also help out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280473
[17:24] <adye> any gui
[17:24] <adye> for fuse
[17:24] <adye>  ?
[17:27] <zoredache> not really
[17:28] <steve``> when i was messing around with it, kde's file manager could browse fuse shares
[17:28] <steve``> been a while though
[17:29] <adye> ok steven.. im not use kde..
[17:29] <adye> the default desktop with xubuntu
[17:29] <adye> XFCE
[17:29] <rocko> what is FUSE?
[17:29] <Pres-Gas> !fuse
[17:30] <steve``> iirc, i created a mountpoint like /network, and fuse made a virtual mount like workgroup/pc/share under that
[17:30] <genii> There any way to make the activity icon of the cursor display on top of inactive windows when something is loading? snotify flag int he menu xml doesn't seem to be it...
[17:43] <steve``> where do i specify which dhcp client should be used?
[17:44] <zoredache> steve``: why do you have more then one?
[17:44] <steve``> i don't (yet)
[17:44] <steve``> i want to replace dhclient with dhcpcd
[17:45] <steve``> but dhclient is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal
[17:45] <steve``> so i'd have both installed
[17:46] <Pres-Gas> You shoud be able to uninstall ubuntu-minimal with no ill effects...it is a metapackage...
[17:46] <Pres-Gas> !ubuntu-minimal
[17:47] <zoredache> it your interfaces you could define a 'manual' interface, and then use a command like 'up dhcpcd' to start the other client...
[17:48] <zoredache> what does dhcpcd give you that dhclient doesn't?
[17:49] <steve``> that's what i used before
[17:49] <steve``> and have a bunch of stuff for it already
[18:28] <atari> hi
[18:29] <atari> how can i find out which script gives me a maintenance needed on bootup?
[18:29] <zoredache> sorry?
[18:29] <atari> Give root password for maintenance
[18:29] <atari> (or type Control-D to continue):
[18:29] <atari> i get that every single bootup
[18:30] <zoredache> does it tell you you need to run fsck before you see that message?
[18:30] <atari> nope
[18:30] <zoredache> the file /etc/defaults/rcS has en entry 'sulogin' if that is yes, it will force that prompt every bootup
[18:31] <atari> SULOGIN=no
[18:32] <zoredache> well anyway, the script that actually does it is /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh
[18:32] <atari> i just enabled the debug option for sh
[18:32] <atari> i hope to get more informations...
[18:32] <zoredache> but it usually only prompts you if you have some form of error reloated to a filesystem
[18:33] <zoredache> do you have anything that isn't working in your fstab?
[18:33] <atari> /dev/hda1       /       ext2    defaults,noatime,rw     0       0
[18:33] <atari> and proc + tmpfs
[18:35] <zoredache> ext2?
[18:35] <atari> jep
[18:35] <atari> thats alright ;)
[18:35] <zoredache> why?
[18:36] <atari> its an alix board with a CF card as hdd
[18:36] <zoredache> ah
[18:37] <Mood> what wifi managers do you guys use? i just use the default networkmanager, which doesn't seem to auto connect to an encrypted network
[18:40] <Pres-Gas> Mood, there is wicd and NetworkManager.  Can you connect at all to the encrypted networks?
[18:40] <Mood> Pres-Gas: yes, I can connect. but if it disconnects, it does not auto-reconnect. i haven't tried wicd yet. but is networkmanager supposed to auto-connect once dropped?
[18:41] <Pres-Gas> It should
[18:41] <Mood> Pres-Gas: "it should" = networkmanager should auto-reconnect after dropping?
[18:41] <zoredache> Mood: it does for me...  Though I have problems at work, but I think it is because we have 5 APs, and something doesn't like roaming
[18:42] <Mood> have either you guys edited /etc/network/interfaces?
[18:43] <zoredache> I have edited it hundreds if times for systems, never for anything wifi related though
[18:43] <Mood> i.e. manually put in your encryption settings into /etc/network/interfaces
[18:44] <jxander> i can't see any progress bars when copying something from my memory stick to my desktop, but if I copy something to the stick i see a progress bar. any ideas? :-s
[18:44] <Mood> zoredache: my /etc/network/interfaces only has the default "auto lo // iface lo inet loopback"
[18:44] <Pres-Gas> Editing the interfaces file can stomp on NetworkManager
[18:45] <Pres-Gas> I do not think NetworkManager utilizes /ete/network/interfaces
[18:45] <Mood> Does anyone know if NetworkManager is a daemon process that auto checks for dropped connections?
[18:45] <Mood> If not, that explains why it doesn't reconnect
[18:47] <Pres-Gas> Mood, you using 8.10 (intrepid)?
[18:47] <Mood> Pres-Gas: yes, 8.10 w/ all updates
[18:49] <Pres-Gas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager0.7 Mood
[18:54] <Mood> Pres-Gas: doesn't help :-( it's too generic
[18:57] <Mood> could it be my network SSID is not broadcast?
[19:02] <Pres-Gas> !bug295796
[19:04] <Pres-Gas> Mood, this may be a confirmed bug with hidden SSID: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/295796
[19:06] <Mood> Pres-Gas: yes i saw that bug report page -- but there's some confusion to bug status/workarounds/whether it's a real bug or not
[19:06] <Pres-Gas> If you look at the top, it says it is confirmed
[19:07] <Mood> Pres-Gas: :-) that it is recognized. :-( that it is a bug
[19:07] <Pres-Gas> yeah, I hear ya
[19:10] <Mood> Pres-Gas: well, if it were micro$soft, their response would be: "Oh, that's not a BUG.. it's a FEATURE!"
[19:11] <zoredache> why don't you broadcast your ssid?  all you do is make your network less reliable... it doesn't add any security to your network
[19:12] <Mood> zoredache: what do you mean? if i don't broadcast it, how can people try connecting to it? it seems more secure
[19:12] <Mood> zoredache: i guess my question would be: can people see my network if i don't broadcast my SSID?
[19:12] <zoredache> because every packet trasmited includes it
[19:13] <zoredache> yes, all they have to do, is see you actually using your network
[19:13] <Mood> hmm.... disturbing...
[19:13] <Mood> do sniffers scan for hidden SSID?
[19:13] <zoredache> not really.  the SSID is not a security mechanism.. if you want security use wpa
[19:14] <Pres-Gas> M$ uses security by obscurity
[19:14] <zoredache> they watch for traffic, if someone is using networks, they can detect it
[19:14] <Mood> hmm...... more disturbing by the minute....
[19:15] <Mood> unfortunately i have to use WEP for my 2 router bridge/repeater to work
[19:15] <Mood> i'd prefer to use WPA but my routers don't support that for bridging
[19:15] <zoredache> you could always use no security, and thet setup some ipsec between your hosts
[19:15] <Mood> so i thought hiding my SSID was one more "poor man's" security... but evidently it is useless
[19:15] <zoredache> of course that would be a bit more complex
[19:16] <zoredache> Mood: check this out http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=454
[19:16] <Mood> heh... MAC filtering: guilty
[19:17] <Mood> use static IP addresses: guilty
[19:17] <Mood> SSID hiding: guilty
[19:23] <ladanz> hi guys!
[19:24] <ladanz> somehow i cant install subversion
[19:24] <ladanz> cause there are some dependencies missing
[19:24] <ladanz> can anybody tell me why?
[19:24] <zoredache> how are you trying to install?  what dependancies are missing?
[19:26] <ladanz> i tried over apt-get and it said 'subversion' has no install candidate
[19:27] <TheSheep> !info subversion
[19:27] <ladanz> and i tried over synaptic to install rapidsvn (and others) and there were missing dependencies all the way
[19:27] <TheSheep> ladanz: make sure you have the main repository enabled in software sources
[19:27] <ladanz> i check
[19:29] <ladanz> is it the first checkbox in synaptic? the one which says something about canocial?
[19:29] <ladanz> yeah
[19:29] <ladanz> thanks
[19:30] <ladanz> that seems to fixed the problem....
[19:31] <ladanz> somehow i probably unchecked that one time
[19:32] <ladanz> thanks again, and have a good day!
[19:50] <atari> rcS.d is before runlevel 2, isnt it?
[19:52] <Pres-Gas> atari, linux will tend to use only the runlevel it is told to run...I think BSDs and Solaris will run scripts from each runlevel up to the runlevel you want
[19:52] <atari> Starting portmap daemon....
[19:52] <atari> Give root password for maintenance
[19:52] <atari> (or type Control-D to continue):
[19:52] <atari> INIT: Entering runlevel: 2
[19:52] <atari> i'm searching the script which causes that
[19:53] <Pres-Gas> So, it will not traverse the directories
[19:56] <zoredache> atari: yes, rcS.d is ran first
[20:00] <atari> grmbl
[20:10] <Pres-Gas> zoredache, okay, now I am confused...I thought that was typical init behavior ... Then I look at /etc/event.d/rc-default and I see in it "start on stopped rcS"
[20:10] <Pres-Gas> Now, WTF does that mean
[20:11]  * Pres-Gas will need to get his head wrapped around upstart a bit more.
[20:16] <zoredache> I don't know what that means..... I do know that all the 'single user' scripts in /etc/rcS.d are executed first before changing to whatever the user has defined as the normal runlevel
[20:16] <Pres-Gas> OOOOKay, start on stopped rcS means that the rc-default job will start after rcS, so rcS.d is run first...
[20:16] <Pres-Gas> I love being wrong...love learning things
[20:17] <zoredache> well it is somewhat obvious that stuff in rcS.d is run.  It is the only place where networking, firewalling, disk mounting, etc is done
[20:18] <zoredache> but I algree that 'start on stopped rcS' line really could use a comment
[20:19] <Pres-Gas> zoredache, true dat
[21:34] <adye> hi
[21:35] <adye> i have a p4 computer 2.8ghz..is it normal.. just run system monitor ,ressources   ,consume around 20% CPU
[22:35] <yojimbo-san> My XFCE desktop won't login; pauses at "starting the desktop manager". There are 50 gnome-power-manager, 52 update-notifier and 237 jockey-gtk processes running!! killing them doesn't seem to help, reboots don't help, deleting ~/.gnome* didn't help ... what can I do next??
[22:39] <Myrtti> yojimbo-san: you could try hmmm...
[22:39] <Myrtti> yojimbo-san: you could delete .config/xfce4-session? or rename it
[22:42] <yojimbo-san> Myrtti: ooh, that helped :-) let me check the machine state now ...
[22:43] <yojimbo-san> looks good. I didn't look in .config when trying to identify stuff to delete :-)
[22:47] <Myrtti> hehe
[22:47] <Myrtti> np


[01:21]  * canthus13 bouncy-bounces.
[01:28] <Cheri703> hrm?
[01:29] <canthus13> Cheri703: Oh...