[02:53] <Chipaca> ted: init: Failed to spawn application-click (com.chipaca.pushtorial_pushtorial_0.1) post-stop process: unable to mark cgroups for removal: Unknown error 196609
[02:55] <Chipaca> also maybe tvoss, not sure ^ (who was it was interested in cgroups failures for untrusted helpers?)
[02:55] <Chipaca> anyway, to bed for me
[03:06]  * UTL waves to everybody.
[03:09] <UTL> Say, I just got an idea: Wouldn't it be nice if there was a way to multiple-boot between several different OSes (Android, Cyanogenmod, Ubuntu Touch, Firefox OS, etc.) using a bootloader menu (like GRUB)? Is there such a thing?
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> there is
[03:09] <UTL> What's it called?
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> but forgot name
[03:10]  * UTL slaps his forehead.
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> multirom or such
[03:11] <nhaines> MultiROM Manager.  It's fantastic.
[03:11] <UTL> Well, I'm wanting to boot between Cyanogenmod and Ubuntu Touch on my Nook HD+, but Cyanoboot is just a graphic.
[03:12] <UTL> nhaines: Thanks! I'll look into it.
[03:14] <UTL> I'll have to get Cyanogenmod back to try it. I was trying to solve the Ubuntu Touch problems by working on it on my Nook.
[03:14] <UTL> But unfortunately, I lost CM.
[03:20] <UTL> How come TWRP (TeamWin Recovery) is not available for ovation? It was easy to use on my other devices, and I was disappointed that it wasn't available for my Nook.
[03:20] <UTL> Clockworkmod Recovery is fine, but I'd like for it to do more.
[03:24]  * UTL reinstalls Cyanogenmod. If he can get MultiROM Manager to work on his Nook HD+, then perhaps he can continue to work with Ubuntu Touch while still comfortably using CM. But the million-dollar question: Will it work?
[03:25] <nhaines> It'll have to be ported to the Nook HD+ first.
[03:25] <UTL> I'm hoping it already has.
[03:30] <UTL> I backed up all of my apps to Google, and now it's having to get them all back before I can try the MultiROM! *sigh!* This will take a while...
[03:32] <UTL> Say, did anyone see what I typed about my modifying the ZIPs last night?
[03:34] <UTL> Just wondering. I was experimenting with different tarballs.
[03:37] <UTL> I extracted a Saucy ZIP (namely saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip), replaced the tar.gz with a different version of UT (i.e. Vivid), and redirecting the updater-script to extract the new package.
[03:38] <UTL> Then, I zipped it back up, put on my micro SD card, booted to recovery, flashed the two ovation packages and the one I created, and reboot. The result?
[03:41] <UTL> You get to see a dinky little Ubuntu logo rotate for about ten minutes, stop for a minute, and then start rotating again. This pattern would have gone on forever if I hadn't smashed my Nook in frustration.
[03:41] <UTL> Did I say "smashed"? I meant "rebooted"? Yeah! That's what I meant.
[03:43]  * UTL hears a chorus of crickets. Maybe he should just keep a journal...
[03:47] <UTL> Nuts! MultiROM Manager says "This is unsupported device (ovation)!" Why do these developers make it so difficult to do anything?!?
[03:53] <UTL> Found something called "Boot Menu Manager" by whirleyes. It refuses to install because of "Wrong BMM busybox." How do I work around this?
[04:01] <UTL> Found something called ROM Customizer. Will this let me multi-boot?
[04:09] <nhaines> UTL: Tassadar didn't "make it so difficult" to install MultiROM Manager.  It has to be ported to each and every single different device platform, exactly like Ubuntu must
[04:09] <nhaines> You can only use a ROM manager that has been ported to and supports your Nook HD+.
[04:16] <UTL> Just changed ro.product.device line from ovation to flo in my build.prop file. It tricked MultiROM Manager, but I have a sinking feeling that this might confuse a lot of things.
[04:16] <UTL> However, I'm willing to try anything!
[04:18] <UTL> Installation fails with "Failed to mount /cache!" Should I clear it?
[04:25] <UTL> I can't clear /cache while I'm using it! This is a conundrum!
[04:31] <UTL> It says that the kernel "doesn't have kexec-hardboot patch!" What does this mean?
[04:32] <nhaines> It means exactly what it says.  The kernel needs a kexec-hardboot patch and doesn't have it.
[04:33] <UTL> Okay; how do I apply the patch?
[04:33] <nhaines> I'm not certain if the patch is per device or universal per Android version.
[04:33] <nhaines> If MultiROM Manager can't do it, you'll need to patch the kernel source code and then compile from source.
[04:34] <UTL> Oh, brother! More complications. Maybe MultiROM Manager isn't the best solution...
[04:35] <nhaines> You're going to have to compile code at some point, and probably really soon.
[04:36]  * UTL changes ro.product.device back from flo to ovation.
[04:37]  * UTL also uninstalls MultiROM Manager.
[04:37] <nhaines> UTL: the recurring theme here is that unless someone has already done the significant amount of work for you, you're going to need to do it yourself.  :)
[04:38] <UTL> I figured as much. I was just hoping... praying...
[04:39]  * UTL bangs his head against the desk. Here we go again!
[08:14] <seb128> mardy, hey
[08:15] <mardy> seb128: hi! I just saw your messages from yesterday evening
[08:15] <seb128> hello ;-)
[08:15] <mardy> seb128: I was checking the libsignon-glib version
[08:16] <mardy> seb128: in theory, we don't need the very last commit, but now I suspect that the version we have in Ubuntu is actually much older
[08:16] <seb128> mardy, looking to the checkout date and the trunk commit we are missing like 3 commits
[08:16] <seb128> one being the fix you did to annotations this week
[08:16] <seb128> I applied that one locally/built a package with it, that works fine
[08:17] <seb128> I can dput if you want
[08:17] <mardy> seb128: oh, no we actually need the very last one
[08:18] <seb128> mardy, why?
[08:18] <mardy> seb128: because the process_async() was indeed missing from the vala bindings
[08:18] <seb128> mardy, https://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/detail?r=295f51be85ae6a7854e65d5079760b5ed1fa6fc8&repo=libsignon-glib apply fine to our package
[08:19] <seb128> mardy, right, I backported ^ and built that locally, works fine and I could build/run shotwell
[08:19] <mardy> seb128: yes yes, I mean, we need all the commits up to the latest trunk
[08:19] <seb128> why?
[08:19] <seb128> that only commit apply fine to our version and builds/works
[08:19] <seb128> well anyway, your call
[08:19] <seb128> but I've that backport to our version ready to dput if you want that
[08:20] <seb128> if you rather want to do a new snapshot or release feel free though
[08:20] <mardy> seb128: let me check the bugs fixed by the other commits, maybe they are not that serious
[08:21] <mardy> seb128: yep, the last commit alone would do
[08:22] <mardy> seb128: but that's only for the backports; for vivid, I'll follow the ci-train and land everything
[08:22] <mardy> seb128: does that sound OK?
[08:22] <seb128> mardy, ok, works for me
[08:22] <seb128> mardy, let me know if you need help
[08:22] <seb128> mardy, once you land the update lib I can upload shotwell to vivid as well
[08:23] <mardy> seb128: cool, will let you know
[08:23] <seb128> mardy, thanks ;-)
[09:06] <Cimi> Wellark, ping
[09:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Anti-corruption Day! :-D
[09:47] <ogra_> stgraber, did you change the importer config ? we cant get any touch images at all anymore it seems and i see it only processing one channel
[09:48] <ogra_> hmm, looks like all channels were switched to manual
[09:49] <stgraber> ogra_: slangasek did that
[09:50] <ogra_> any idea why ?
[09:50] <slangasek> ogra_: because the importer is failing miserably due to jenkins being down
[09:50] <ogra_> slangasek, onyl for certain images
[09:50] <ogra_> touch vivid shouldnt be among them afaik
[09:51] <slangasek> ogra_: the importer as a whole is failing with the stock config
[09:51] <ogra_> hmm, i only saw rtm fail yesterady
[09:51] <ogra_> (due to custom tarballs not being available)
[09:52] <slangasek> ogra_: the "failure" is a hang; the importer never completes
[09:52] <slangasek> ogra_: you're right that vivid doesn't depend on jenkins, so reenabling that now
[09:52] <ogra_> hmm, it seemed to move on when i ran it with -vvv
[09:53] <slangasek> maybe you ran it before the network changed
[09:53] <ogra_> well, s-jenkins was gone when i did that
[09:53] <linocisco> hi all
[09:54] <ogra_> not sure what other machines we query for other channels though
[09:54] <linocisco> is ubuntu phone is dual os along side of ANdroid or It is ubuntu only phone?
[09:54] <popey> linocisco: depends, you can flash clean on a nexus 4, or use the dual boot app
[09:55] <linocisco> popey, if we have only OS, it might be better for resource consumption on phone. right?
[09:55] <popey> linocisco: disk space? sure.
[09:55] <linocisco> popey, I am looking for ubuntu only phone with best battery life
[09:55] <popey> linocisco: nobody is selling ubuntu phones yet.
[09:56] <linocisco> popey, for example, what about battery life for the same phone with Android or ubuntu OS and why usage is the same?
[09:56] <popey> mzanetti: is that store rss feed updating for you?
[09:56] <popey> linocisco: from my testing it's about the same.
[09:57] <linocisco> popey, can we install ubuntu touch on iPHone?
[09:58] <popey> linocisco: no
[09:58] <popey> just like you can't install android on one.
[09:58] <linocisco> popey,  only work in Nexus?
[09:58] <linocisco> popey, any other tested model?
[09:58] <mzanetti> popey: yes
[09:58] <popey> !devices | linocisco
[09:58] <ubot5`> linocisco: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[09:58] <mzanetti> well, let me check
[09:59] <popey> mzanetti: I'm not seeing updates since 10 days
[10:00] <mzanetti> popey: latest entry here is the terminal reboot from yesterday
[10:01] <linocisco> popey, i have samsung galaxy cooper old model
[10:01] <linocisco> popey, dont see that device if we can use.
[10:01] <popey> mzanetti: ok
[10:02] <popey> linocisco: right, if it's not listed then you can't use it. someone needs to port to that device
[10:02] <linocisco> popey, most possible one is Nexus which is never on sales in our country
[10:03] <popey> linocisco: indeed. ebay..
[10:03] <ogra_> hmmm
[10:03] <ogra_> https://bitbucket.org/equalsraf/vim-qt/wiki/Home
[10:03] <ogra_> why dont we have a click for that yet ?
[10:03] <popey> linocisco: otherwise wait a short while and you'll be able to buy a phone
[10:20] <Chipaca> anybody here played with Qt's JSON support and has five minutes to give me a hand?
[10:53] <Chipaca> nm, got it
[11:04] <Wellark> Cimi: right with you
[11:05] <Chipaca> bzoltan: you around?
[11:05] <Wellark> Cimi: wanna hangout?
[11:08] <Chipaca> bzoltan: i'll brb, but my ping was about how to "give" somebody a file that they unpack into a cmake project in the sdk
[13:01] <JoeyChan> need help here,  just upgraded to vivid r48
[13:02] <JoeyChan> I cancel the "star" on the top-right of app scope
[13:02] <JoeyChan> Now I get a blank screen
[13:02] <JoeyChan> And nothing happen with bottom swipe
[13:04] <davmor2> JoeyChan: you probably need image 49 for that to be fixed
[13:04] <popey> JoeyChan: i think i saw mention of that, perhaps due to a package not landing correctly. I think it's known. Right sil2100 ?
[13:04] <JoeyChan> (╥_╥)
[13:04] <davmor2> JoeyChan: yeap just confirmed it has the new package in for scope management
[13:05] <JoeyChan> ok.    wait for the next image
[13:05] <davmor2> JoeyChan: it's there now
[13:05] <JoeyChan> r49 ?
[13:06] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  thx  I see it downloading now   :)
[14:41] <cwayne> dbarth: updated my webapps in the store
[14:41] <cwayne> sorry, I'd forgotten about it a bit :)
[14:43] <dbarth> cwayne: ah nice
[14:43] <dbarth> i was going to ask today, i have most of the other ones updated now
[14:43] <dbarth> cwayne: thanks!
[14:44] <cwayne> dbarth: np, sorry it took me so long! (vacation + getting sick == laziness :P)
[14:45] <davmor2> cwayne: you could of just rounded it off to just Laziness :P
[14:47] <dbarth> between the 2 of you guys, it feels like a surreal conversation
[14:47] <dbarth> you keep burning the midnight oil, so i'm surprised you can even spell laziness
[14:49] <dbarth> thanks anyway
[14:49] <dbarth>
[14:50] <jgdx> mpt, hey, if I propose a spec change for bug 1379850, could you do a review? :)
[14:50] <dbarth> on a different note, any idea why i couldn't get updates currently from the store?
[14:50] <mpt> jgdx, sure!
[14:50] <jgdx> mpt, awesome
[14:57] <kenvandine> i just noticed i'm not getting a lock screen on rtm 173
[14:57] <kenvandine> security is set to passcode (pin) and developer mode works fine
[14:57] <kenvandine> but i no longer have to enter my pin to unlock
[14:57] <kenvandine> anyone else seeing that?
[14:58] <kenvandine> mterry, ^^^ what kind of info would be useful in a bug report for that?
[14:58] <kenvandine> i even tried rebooting, still not locking
[14:59] <mterry> kenvandine, fascinating.  The file ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log would be useful...  Maybe the contents of /usr/lib/extrausers
[14:59] <kenvandine> ok
[15:01] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  r49 doesn't work for me ,  I still got blank screen, no bottom swipe   :(
[15:01] <kenvandine> mterry, /usr/lib/extrausers ?
[15:01] <kenvandine> doesn't exist
[15:01] <mterry> uh...
[15:01] <mterry> let me check
[15:02] <mterry> might be /var/lib
[15:02] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah ^
[15:03] <davmor2> JoeyChan: hmmm maybe someone else can help you out then
[15:04] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  or help me to get the app scope back ?
[15:06] <kenvandine> mterry, bug 1400742
[15:10] <mterry> kenvandine, ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log?  though it likely won't have anything useful
[15:10] <kenvandine> oh... i added that... didn't go with the bug though
[15:10] <mterry> ?
[15:15] <kenvandine> mterry, i had added the attachment when i was creating the bug, but most have forgotten to click something...
[15:15] <kenvandine> i added it now
[15:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, remember the brightness crash?  i have a fix :)
[15:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, bug 1385467
[15:17] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, you might want to consider that for ww51
[15:19] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, was a race then? not sure thats very common though is it? seems one needs to try to get it
[15:19] <kenvandine> sort of
[15:20] <kenvandine> so basically there was a chance we had a property that was undefined
[15:20] <kenvandine> this protects against that
[15:20] <kenvandine> not very common, but simple/obvious fix
[15:20] <kenvandine> and no risk
[15:22] <tedg> davmor2, heard you have an indicator-sound crasher? Do you have an errors.u.c ID for it?
[15:23] <davmor2> tedg: no crash file for it
[15:23] <tedg> davmor2, Oh, so not a crasher :-)
[15:23] <davmor2> tedg: it's like it never starts
[15:24] <tedg> davmor2, Is it running?
[15:25] <davmor2> tedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9442524/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/9442545/
[15:26] <tedg> davmor2, initctl status indicator-sound
[15:26] <davmor2> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ initctl status indicator-sound
[15:26] <davmor2> indicator-sound stop/waiting
[15:27] <tedg> davmor2, Hmm, so rm ~/.cache/upstart/indicator-sound.log && start indicator-sound
[15:27] <davmor2> tedg: give me 2 seconds
[15:28] <tedg> timeout -SIGKILL 2 davmore2
[15:29] <davmor2> no process davmore2
[15:30] <davmor2> tedg: phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ rm .cache/upstart/indicator-sound.log && start indicator-sound
[15:30] <davmor2> indicator-sound start/running, process 5353
[15:30] <tedg> Fixed! KTHXBYE
[15:31] <davmor2> tedg: till I do a fresh install :P
[15:31] <davmor2> tedg: let me reboot and see if it works now
[15:34] <davmor2> tedg: so I think it came back up if I rebooted anyway, so it works now after reboot, but fresh installs has it always like this http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/sound-indicator.png
[15:36] <tedg> davmor2, What image number?
[15:37] <davmor2> tedg: 49 mako
[15:37] <davmor2> tedg: looks like it is only ever the initial boot that plays up
[15:38]  * tedg digs up the changelogs
[15:42] <charles> nik90_, ping
[15:43] <charles> nik90_, I'm trying to test indicator-datetime/disabled-alarms from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/indicator-datetime for https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1387231-honor-x-canonical-disabled-tag/+merge/243938 (yay!) but am hitting a snag in clock-app
[15:43] <charles> nik90_, whenever I hit the enable/disable toggle for an alarm in clock-app in a vivid image, the alarm refuses to toggle
[15:50] <akiva-thinkpad> Ubuntu Q and A going on soon: come join #ubuntu-on-air, and tune into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rODyNKhMqZ8
[15:53] <dholbach> thanks akiva-thinkpad
[15:53] <akiva-thinkpad> dholbach, np !
[16:43] <nik90_> charles: hey
[16:54] <mpt> Does anyone know why the phone asks me if I want to power off every time I unlock?
[16:58] <davmor2> mpt: bug
[16:58] <mpt> Ok … Thought maybe I was unlocking it the wrong way
[17:18] <danrik> sup guys.
[17:18] <danrik> when is the ubuntu phone gonna come out..?
[17:18] <danrik> im still waiting..
[17:18] <popey> "Soon"
[17:19] <danrik> popey, but ...but.. thats what u said the last time.
[17:19] <popey> I know, awesome right?
[17:19] <danrik> popey, nooooooo...:)
[17:21] <danrik> popey, "hope and change" he says...
[17:21] <ogra_> building up the suspense ;)
[17:39] <diddledan> ogra_, suspenders ftw!
[17:39] <ogra_> :D
[17:46] <charles> nik90_, pong
[17:47] <nik90_> charles: hey, are you hitting the toggle issue only with vivid?
[17:47] <charles> nik90_, yeah, it's working for me on 14.10
[17:47] <charles> just not vivid
[17:48] <charles> sounds like you're familiar with this already?
[17:48] <nik90_> charles: Not really...although I do know that lot of people are facing strange issues with alarms in vivid alone
[17:48] <nik90_> charles: for instance, alarms created in the clock app don't show in the indicator-datetime in vivid
[17:49] <nik90_> I am not sure what to do..since I haven't committed anything into the clock app trunk for ages.
[17:49] <charles> nik90_, are you able to use the alarm toggle in clock-app in vivid? If so, what channel/image are you testing with,?
[17:49] <nik90_> charles: I am dogfooding the ubuntu-rtm images and that was my main priority up until now
[17:50] <nik90_> charles: since I have only one device I stick to the currently supported channel
[17:50] <nik90_> charles: if you want, I can switch my phone to vivid and do my testing with it
[17:51] <nik90_> its too much of a hassle to test both channels with one physical device..and the emulator doesn't help either
[17:51] <charles> nik90_, if you don't mind, I'd appreciate it. It would be better to land these fixes in vivid before MPing them to rtm
[17:52] <nik90_> charles: sure I will switch to vivid tonight
[17:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, when you get a chance, can you test rtm silo 2?
[17:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, i couldn't test your last fix since krillin is edge only for me
[18:47] <popey> dbarth: davmor2 known bug where images don't load on 3g in scopes? ahayzen and I confirmed bbc scope broken on 3g
[18:48] <ogra_> stgraber, did you disable the importer ?
[18:48] <ogra_> slangasek, ^^^ or you ?
[18:48]  * ogra_ notes it is commented in crontab
[18:50] <ahayzen> popey, bug 1305838 ?
[18:50] <ahayzen> popey, ... which is now invalid
[18:50] <popey> haha, i even commented on
[18:50] <ahayzen> popey, or .. bug 1357321
[18:51] <ahayzen> popey, the former being much closer to our issue ;)
[18:51] <ogra_> popey, with silo 22 installed ?
[18:51] <popey> no
[18:51] <ogra_> (note thats one of the silos that landed today but didnt make it into any images yet)
[18:51] <popey> silo 16
[18:52] <popey> (powerd)
[18:52] <ogra_> 22 was for the network stuff on scopes iirc
[18:53] <ogra_> just needs an image build
[18:53] <popey> so it's fix0red?
[18:53] <ogra_> supposed to ...
[18:54] <ahayzen> ogra_, yeah silo22 was for that second bug
[18:54] <ogra_> right
[18:54] <popey> ahayzen: fancy installing it and going for a journey on a bus?
[18:54] <popey> ☻
[18:54] <ahayzen> popey, but the silo isn't there anymore?
[18:54]  * ahayzen just looked at the QA trello board
[18:54] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu10~vrtm~5
[18:54] <taiebot> ogra popey:BBC web app when there is no connection is not in english its in  spanish. error de conexion
[18:55] <popey> waaaat
[18:55] <ahayzen> taiebot, lol!
[18:55]  * ogra_ wonders what vrtm is ... *very* rtm ?
[18:55] <taiebot> this is in vivid but i suppose rtm should be the same
[18:56] <ahayzen> taiebot, i can confirm that
[18:56] <ahayzen> at least the BBC one attempts to give you an error message the youtube one is blank
[19:05] <taiebot> Already posted this on app-devel but i think it would be the best news ever for UT. Has anyone manage to reproduce Joey's Chan App start up time improvement?   https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549
[19:07] <davmor2> popey: yeap old bug
[19:12] <davmor2> popey: ahayzen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1305838 hmmm seems I marked it invalid as it got a fix I wonder if the fix got added to vivid too?
[19:13] <ahayzen> davmor2, we think silo-22 rtm may have just fixed it? which was bug 1357321 ?
[19:13] <ogra_> davmor2, ask Mirv, 22 was his silo iirc
[19:14] <davmor2> popey: looks to be working on rtm so must be Mirv fault :)
[19:14] <Mirv> davmor2: sorry, it was just fixed :(
[19:15] <ogra_> Mirv, in vivid too ?
[19:15] <Mirv> ogra_: vivid 3 weeks ago or so
[19:16] <davmor2> Mirv: shouldn't you be asleep?
[19:16] <Mirv> davmor2: yes
[19:16] <Mirv> I wandered into snappy land too eagerly
[19:17]  * davmor2 pulls the plug and battery out of Mirv laptop
[19:17] <davmor2> Mirv: hahahaha
[19:17]  * Mirv has integrated battery \o/
[19:17] <davmor2> Mirv: it is fun to play with
[19:17] <Mirv> davmor2: it's should be banned to put so much power into cloud newbie's hands like mine
[19:18]  * davmor2 has a big hammer I'm sure I can remove the integrated battery for you
[19:18] <davmor2> Mirv: hahaha
[19:19] <Mirv> ahayzen: you can simply apt update apt upgrade on rtm now that the silo 022 went into archives
[19:19] <ahayzen> Mirv, ah cool thanks :)
[19:20] <Mirv> ogra_: "vrtm" was "damn I used already so many letters in these ~20 rebuilds piling up patches and fixing test errors, need to add some prefix"
[19:21] <Mirv> I think I was using ~utopic~test or something and needed to go higher than that but drop the utopic to avoid confusion
[19:21]  * Mirv leaves seeing davmor2 approaching with that nasty hammer
[19:23] <ahayzen> ..is it bad if the images still don't load?
[19:28] <Mirv> ahayzen: if you upgraded, got the bunch of qt packages with ~vrtm5 version and rebooted, some scenarios should be fixed like being on wifi and going out if its reach etc.. but there might be bugs in eg scopes themselves et cetera
[19:29] <ahayzen> Mirv, i upgrade and rebooted... turned the WiFi off (so 3g only) then tried to load something the scopes (BBC/youtube) and no images are shown (other than already cached ones)
[19:31] <ahayzen> Mirv, is there a package i can check the version of to ensure i'm on the latest?
[19:31] <Mirv> ahayzen: :( the scope devs might need to look into that now that Qt should behave correctly even when an app keeps the Qt connection alive
[19:31] <ahayzen> :(
[19:31] <Mirv> ahayzen: libqt5network5
[19:32] <ahayzen> Mirv, Installed: 5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu10~vrtm~5
[19:32] <Mirv> ahayzen: yes, it's the new one
[19:32] <ahayzen> damn ... so do we report a new bug? open that really old one that got closed?
[19:33] <ahayzen> this one described it the best bug 1305838
[19:33] <Mirv> ahayzen: I'd say open the old bug, referring to the fix now done on Qt side
[19:33] <Mirv> and mention that it was never fixed really (maybe confusion comes from cached/non-cached images)
[19:34] <ahayzen> Mirv, cool will do :)
[19:34] <ahayzen> yeah the caching doesn't help
[19:34] <Mirv> ahayzen: to test cache cleaning you can try rm -rf ~/.cache/unity8-dash/
[19:34] <Mirv> and pull down to refresh
[19:35] <ahayzen> i get *some* of the images? .. would ^^ clear the cache for all scopes?
[19:35] <ahayzen> oh hang on that dir didn't exist
[19:35] <Mirv> ahayzen: it should. then I have a (really guesswork funny) theory that 3G delays might cause some timeouts in scopes
[19:36] <Mirv> ahayzen: if you used -rf, you wouldn't know if it existed or not before you deleted it :)
[19:36] <ahayzen> ..but it hasn't reappeared after pull the refresh :)
[19:36] <Mirv> some people reported, if I recall correctly, images loading fine but my 2€/month 256kbit/s capped 3G test SIM loaded just some images
[19:36] <ahayzen> as in the folder
[19:37] <Mirv> it might be in memory temporarily, I don't know. I don't really know much about how the scopes work.
[19:37]  * ahayzen tries restarting
[19:37] <ahayzen> youtube has *nothing*
[19:37]  * Mirv sleep
[19:37] <ahayzen> Mirv, night o/
[19:37] <Mirv> o/
[19:39] <ahayzen> ok so on 3g only the scopes take *forever* to appear after startup
[19:40] <ahayzen> and no images at all
[19:43] <popey> ☹
[19:43] <ahayzen> popey, do you see the same behaviour?
[19:43] <popey> i dont have that ppa installed
[19:44] <ahayzen> popey, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[19:44] <ahayzen> popey, the packages are in the archive
[19:44] <popey> oh
[19:45] <ahayzen> popey, clear your cache and disable wifi if you want a really slow startup lol
[19:45] <popey> hah
[19:47]  * popey dist-upgrades
[19:47] <ahayzen> popey, yeah i should have done that
[19:47] <taiebot> ahayzen: tried on vivid and it works however i lost one scope (weather scope) and cannot bring it back as there is no more search bar for scope management. and yeah startup is far slower.
[19:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, i've lost weather many many times lol
[19:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, so your images worked?
[19:48] <taiebot> yeah on vivid images are loaded on startup on 3g
[19:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, what about if you then filter eg youtube by Music or something?
[19:49] <kenvandine> barry, mind taking a look at my comment on bug 1392051 ?
[19:50] <barry> kenvandine: looking
[19:50] <taiebot> Yeah youtube, cinema and all the rest works on startup
[19:50] <taiebot> even Untappd
[19:51] <taiebot> it feels faster than on wifi, weird..
[19:51] <ahayzen> taiebot, hmm weird...none of mine work :/
[19:52] <ahayzen> taiebot, is it strange if i lost weather as well?
[19:53] <taiebot> Suppose location is not working. Location and bluetooth are very boot dependant
[19:53] <ahayzen> hmm
[19:53] <taiebot> sometimes it works sometimes it does not. :-D
[19:53] <ahayzen> weird thing is SongKick works with images and location
[19:55] <taiebot> Rebooted with wifi on weather app is back.
[19:55] <taiebot> might do a retry on 3g
[19:55] <barry> kenvandine: i'm not sure i like that suggestion. 'not downloading because it's already available' isn't an error condition.  the right way currently to do this would be to call DownloadUpdate(); that's efficient when the update is already downloaded and should send a UpdateDownloaded signal almost immediately.  what you can't do right now is say "i just want to know if the update is already downloaded, but if not, don't download it".
[19:55] <barry> if that's something you want i can suggest ways in the bug to do that
[19:56] <kenvandine> that's what we need
[19:56] <ahayzen> taiebot, that is quite strange i'll try rebooting with 3g still disabled and i'll clear my /var/crash
[19:56] <kenvandine> can't call DownloadUpdate() automatically
[19:56] <kenvandine> barry, i was just trying to avoid breaking the API :)
[19:57] <barry> kenvandine: yeah ;)
[19:57] <taiebot> ahayzen i am on vivid
[19:57] <ahayzen> taiebot, i'm on rtm-proposed
[19:57] <kenvandine> barry, however, the API docs say error_reason is there to tell you why the update isn't downloading
[19:58] <kenvandine> so i could argue that 'downloaded' is a reason why it isn't downloading
[19:58] <kenvandine> but not an error condition :)
[19:58] <popey> grrr I get https://imgur.com/mVmcA7p and then https://imgur.com/31spuW8 every time I go to app scope
[19:58] <ahayzen> popey, i have to wait like 60s and then it makes it
[19:59] <ahayzen> ..still no weather  and no crash logs
[20:01] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scopes-shell/+bug/1373019
[20:01] <popey> fail to see how it's invalid
[20:02] <ahayzen> hah
[20:02] <barry> kenvandine: yeah, the problem is that "downloaded" isn't really a state the client knows about.  when you call DownloadUpdate() it will start the download but if the cached files are still valid and match then it will shortcircuit the actual fetch.  however, several things can happen to invalidate what might look like a successful download, and all these things are rechecked, e.g.: there is no blacklist that invalidates an existing
[20:02] <barry> keyring, checksums all match, the same target update is still the winning path
[20:02] <barry> kenvandine: so even being able to put 'downloaded' in error_rason is tricky
[20:02] <barry> *error_reason
[20:03] <kenvandine> barry, ok, we'll i'm open to solutions
[20:05] <barry> kenvandine: as i'm reading the bug, the problem is that when you leave the panel and return to it, the ui doesn't know that it already received an UpdateAvailableStatus(True, ...)
[20:06] <barry> or maybe that it already received an UpdateDownloaded signal
[20:08] <barry> kenvandine: one possibility, though it might not be acceptable...
[20:09] <barry> kenvandine: if you call ApplyUpdate(), it will reboot the phone to install the update.  however, if the update has *not* yet been downloaded, you will get a Rebooting(False) signal.  if the update has been downloaded, you will get a Rebooting(True) signal, but that's of course a race with the phone actually rebooting.  so you could call ApplyUpdate() and watch for a Rebooting(False) signal and if that's missing, you know the update
[20:09] <barry> wasn't downloaded
[20:12] <kenvandine> yeah, everytime you go to the update page we call CheckForUpdates()
[20:12] <kenvandine> which gets UpdateAvailableStatus
[20:12] <kenvandine> barry, ^^
[20:13] <barry> kenvandine: ack.  of course if auto-downloads is turned off, that only tells you whether an update is available.
[20:14] <kenvandine> we show the download button in that case
[20:14] <kenvandine> which calls DownloadUpdate()
[20:14] <kenvandine> then changes the button to install
[20:14] <barry> kenvandine: so you're trying to avoid showing them the download button again in that case?
[20:14] <kenvandine> right
[20:15] <kenvandine> we want to know it's downloaded and just show install
[20:15] <barry> kenvandine: the only way i can think of doing that with the current api is to cache the UpdateDownloaded signal you'll have gotten the first time, and if you got it, just display install instead of download
[20:15] <kenvandine> if we did some refactoring of the panel, we could cache the model info and mangle it ourselves
[20:16] <kenvandine> but we'd have to also store the version info
[20:16] <kenvandine> so we can tell if the new update has a newer version
[20:18] <barry> kenvandine: yep.
[20:18] <barry> kenvandine: that's the safest thing i think.  maybe not the easiest for y'all though ;)
[20:19] <kenvandine> our code there is rather fragile, it needs some serious refactoring
[20:22] <barry> kenvandine: one possibility would be to add a synchronous method IsRebootable() (with a better spelling) that would just return the value of the (internal) "rebootable" flag.  this would be nearly equivalent to calling ApplyUpdate() and waiting for the Rebooting(is_rebootable) signal, without the pesky side effect of actually doing the reboot
[20:31] <ahayzen> Anyone able to confirm bug 1400854 ?
[20:36] <ahayzen> taiebot, o/ .. i reported a bug for the weather scope bug 1400854
[20:38] <taiebot> ahayzen: trying again to confirm.
[20:38] <ahayzen> taiebot, cool thanks
[20:38] <ahayzen> taiebot, should we report one for the super slow startup on 3g only?
[20:39] <popey> +1
[20:39] <ahayzen> popey, would that be against scopes do you think?
[20:39] <taiebot> ahayzen it shows up now
[20:39] <popey> unity-scopes-shell probably
[20:39] <popey> maybe
[20:39] <ahayzen> taiebot, ugh magic unless the clear of cache is related?
[20:40]  * ahayzen tries again
[20:42] <ahayzen> taiebot, i disabled WiFi and weather channel disappeared first time lol
[20:45] <ahayzen> I reported a bug for the slow startup as well bug 1400864
[20:46] <taiebot> ahayzen tried again and cannot confirm
[20:47] <ahayzen> taiebot, is the weather channel one of your favourite scopes?
[20:47] <taiebot> yep
[20:47] <ahayzen> hmm let me see if it will work for me on 3g
[20:52] <ahayzen> taiebot, ok so the 3rd time it worked
[20:53] <ahayzen> taiebot, the lock screen appeared to freeze as i swiped..and the scopes loaded *much* faster
[21:00] <ahayzen> oh yeah popey do you get this with the BBC scope as well? apparmor="DENIED" operation="mkdir" profile="com.canonical.scopes.bbc_bbc_1.03" name="/usr/local/bbc/" pid=3827 comm="scoperunner" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[21:01] <popey> ahayzen: yes
[21:01] <ahayzen> popey, where do we report bugs for that?
[21:01] <popey> in apparmor maybe?
[21:02] <ahayzen> popey, BBC scope shouldn't be trying to make /usr/local/bbc though?
[21:02] <popey> yeah
[21:02] <ahayzen> popey, surely its the scope itself? as i haven't seen any of the others do the same?
[21:02] <popey> yeah, true.where's dbarth when you need him
[21:03] <ahayzen> popey, are all the canonical scopes just under unity-scopes-shell? i don't see a separate project?
[21:03] <popey> looking
[21:03] <ahayzen> thanks
[21:03] <popey> cwayne: do you know? where does com.canonical.scopes.bbc_bbc_1.03 come from?
[21:17] <taiebot> ahayzen keep rebooting do not seem to reproduce the weather scope problem.
[21:17] <ahayzen> taiebot, if i have only 3g it seems to *sometimes* happen
[21:18] <ahayzen> taiebot, try clearing the cache again and see if it happens then
[21:18] <taiebot> i did with not much more difference.
[21:18] <ahayzen> hmm weird
[21:19] <taiebot> Wonder if we have some corrupt files.
[21:19] <ahayzen> maybe vivid is less random than rtm
[21:19] <ahayzen> maybe .. i have two soundcloud scopes as well
[21:19] <taiebot> this i  have and i can confirm!!
[21:19] <ahayzen> haha
[21:20] <ahayzen> and only 1 appears in the store IIRC so i can't remove them lol
[21:20] <taiebot> +1
[21:21] <ahayzen> ok so my weather channel is now working...so how can i break it again
[21:24] <ahayzen> taiebot, ok so i cleared the unity8-dash cache restarted...and the weather scope is there but in the overview it is invisible?!
[21:25] <taiebot> ahayzen ...rebooting...
[21:25] <ahayzen> taiebot, and the manage scopes of 'all' is really weird like half of them are missing/misplaced
[21:27] <taiebot> wheater app scope is missing :-X
[21:28] <ahayzen> haha
[21:29] <ahayzen> taiebot, i'll add clearing of the cache to the bug description
[21:42] <ahayzen> taiebot, thanks for confirming :)
[21:43] <taiebot> Ahayzen do you know which files are taking lots of space on the device i have 2g of Other files?
[21:44] <ahayzen> taiebot, erm logs, crash files? or the 8gb of music i had ;)
[21:44] <cwayne> popey: no public projects for them yet
[21:44] <taiebot> where are crash files?
[21:44] <ahayzen> taiebot, /var/crash
[21:45] <ahayzen> cwayne, for which project should I report the bug against then?
[21:45] <cwayne> ahayzen: what's the bug?
[21:45] <ahayzen> cwayne, the BBC scope causes this apparmor="DENIED" operation="mkdir" profile="com.canonical.scopes.bbc_bbc_1.03" name="/usr/local/bbc/" pid=3827 comm="scoperunner" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[21:46] <cwayne> ahayzen: i'll take a look, thanks!
[21:46] <ahayzen> cwayne, awesome thanks :)
[21:49] <ahayzen> cwayne, do you work on the weather scope as well?
[21:50] <cwayne> ahayzen: nope, that'd be lp:ubuntu-rest-scopes though
[21:50] <ahayzen> oo
[21:50] <taiebot> Can i just erase logs in /var/log ?
[21:51] <ahayzen> cwayne, i reported this bug 1400854 should it be against that project instead? or shall i leave it against unity-scopes-shell as we aren't sure why it is failing
[21:52] <cwayne> ahayzen: well, that's expected, it's a remote scope
[21:52] <ahayzen> cwayne, no as in the scope doesn't even exist as an option and half of hte others sometimes randomly don't show in the manage scopes page
[21:53] <ahayzen> cwayne, its like they aren't loaded ... and it then *sometimes* works and then picks up the data from 3d
[21:53] <ahayzen> *3g
[21:53] <cwayne> ahayzen: yeah i know, the scope itself only exists on a remote server
[21:53] <cwayne> so if there's no wifi, the phone won't even know it exists, there's no code for it on the phone at all
[21:53] <ahayzen> cwayne, but i have 3g enabled?
[21:53] <cwayne> ah, sorry i'd missed that
[21:54]  * ahayzen should stop touching things incase he breaks anything else


[00:00] <P-Chan> lapsusbrutus: what is kiosk mode?
[00:00] <lapsusbrutus> pretty desperate trying to locking down the panels.
[00:01] <P-Chan> lapsusbrutus: is possible lock panels in xfce?
[00:01] <lapsusbrutus> have to have a computer ready for tomorrow morning :|   with a locked down UI,  I read xfce had kiosk mode and installed.  kioskmode works on everything but the panels :\
[00:02] <lapsusbrutus> P-Chan: sais so in wiki: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode?rev=1271624433
[00:02] <knome> lapsusbrutus, i think you'd be better off asking in #xfce :)
[00:03] <P-Chan> lapsusbrutus: THANKs. I love XFCE. I hope XFCE neve change
[00:03] <knome> lapsusbrutus, i mean, feel free to hang around here too, but i haven't seen pretty much any questions about kiosk mode for ages
[00:04] <lapsusbrutus> did that,  seems like its not something most people care about :)
[00:04] <knome> mmh, probably true, it's not like people want kiosk mode at home :)
[00:05] <lapsusbrutus> I use awesomewm, and love it. but xfce is pretty nice too :)  cant get used to overlapping windows though
[00:08] <P-Chan> lapsusbrutus: when I start my xubuntu(he automatically log on) the option to chosse my session or default ever appears. How I choose login automatic?
[00:09] <aguitel> P-Chan, go  application menu and then system
[00:10] <aguitel> P-Chan, in system go to users and groups
[00:10] <P-Chan> thanks. I will try it. How put places menu INSIde XFCE menu
[00:10] <P-Chan> in the system ok
[00:11] <tbrown> Am going to install xubuntu and do a review on it and ideas for me to say:)
[00:11] <aguitel> good look
[00:11] <aguitel> is very hard .... jejeje
[00:12] <P-Chan> aguitel: xubuntu isn't hard. Pure debian is hard.
[00:12] <aguitel> P-Chan, e piada
[00:12] <tbrown> aguitel: what do you mean that xubuntu is hard
[00:12] <knome> rock solid
[00:12] <aguitel> tbrown, is joke
[00:13] <tbrown> ok
[00:13] <P-Chan> meu xubuntu tá instavel mas não tão instavel como o Kubuntu
[00:13] <knome> aguitel, P-Chan: english only please
[00:13] <aguitel> P-Chan, stable do you say ?
[00:13] <tbrown> aguitel: I think that am going to install it on my main computer wish me luck
[00:13] <P-Chan> knome: sorry wrong tab
[00:14] <aguitel> tbrown,  i wish you
[00:15] <tbrown> aguitel: How can I get a job that has linux in it am 19 years old and am in high school still
[00:15] <P-Chan> Is possible create remastered Xubuntu in Windows XP or Seveb?
[00:15] <aguitel> tbrown, what that means ?
[00:16] <tbrown> never mind
[00:16] <tbrown> Who in here works for linux
[00:16] <liznevada> damn
[00:16] <aguitel> i dont know
[00:17] <liznevada> thunar doesnt mount my blackberry as massive storage
[00:18] <liznevada> barry and linberry detects the blackberry
[00:23] <P-Chan> Ok guys other question: How put places menu inside XFCE Menu
[00:23] <P-Chan> ?
[00:26] <tbrown> Does Xubuntu Get Virus or Bugs:)
[00:26] <tbrown> IF so Can I get a program that will help me with that stuff
[00:27] <Sysi> unless you run random binaries/scripts from internet, no
[00:27] <Marzata> http://voyager.legtux.org/ is a nice spin
[00:27] <P-Chan> Virus affects all systemsn
[00:27] <P-Chan> Marzata: I don't like forks because has few programers
[00:28] <knome> P-Chan, the places menu is a panel applet and you can't add that in the xubuntu menu
[00:28] <P-Chan> knome: ok thanks
[00:28] <knome> there is pretty much no viruses on linux.
[00:29] <knome> even those which exists will need you typing your password at a wrong time (or from their POV, the right time)
[00:29] <knome> so as long as you use common sense and think twice before typing your password, you should be fine
[00:29] <liznevada> so a blackberry on massive storage mode must be monted by thunar right?
[00:30] <knome> of course bugs exist in packages, but no application can fight that :)
[00:48] <rolesp> well finaly I have 12.04 working
[00:49] <rolesp> all the problems gone after the install of the ati video driver
[01:20] <foobArrr> remind me to do a clean install instead of an upgrade next time ...
[01:30] <foobArrr> I still have trouble with keyboard shortcuts. I defined shortcuts for window positioning with wmctrl, they all are <Super> + a keypad key. the work fine with most programs, but not with all of them. they don't work e.g. with xchat. any ideas?
[01:51] <lapsusbrutus> made kiosk mode work :)
[01:52] <foobArrr> kiosk mode?
[02:03] <lapsusbrutus> foobArrr: all locked down. for public computers, or noob-extreemes
[02:10] <Mullins> hello, when will xfce 4.10 be applied to xubuntu?
[02:13] <Unit193> In 12.10.
[02:14] <Mullins> Yikes
[02:19] <Unit193> Unless you add a PPA.
[02:35] <fabio> hi guys
[02:35] <fabio> when i try "Extract here" gives me an error
[02:36] <fabio> Failed to extract files. No suitable archive manager found.
[02:36] <fabio> but ive seen on ubuntu software centre and the package its installed
[02:56] <tbrown> What is it called when you have two monitors and you use the other one for space. I need to use my other monitor for space but I dont know how to do it. I have two pictures that are doing the same thing:)
[03:03] <tbrown> Is anyone on this channel lol:)
[03:36] <rolesp> to install java do I install do I install de jdk7 from software center or download java from the java site?
[03:47] <GridCube> rolesp, the one in the site might be more up to date
[03:47] <GridCube> compare the version numbers
[03:47] <rolesp> ok gridcube, tnks
[03:47] <rolesp> the latest in java site es 6.31
[03:49] <GridCube> rolesp, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[04:05] <rolesp> bbl
[08:14] <mips1911> waits patiently for 4.10 PPA, sigh
[08:19] <baizon> :)
[08:36] <koegs> i am havin problems with the hotkeys
[08:36] <koegs> i defined "Maximize Window" with Super+UP, but it does not work after reboot
[08:37] <koegs> using Xubuntu 12.04 AMD64 with alternate installer and dmcrypt
[08:45] <mips1911> koegs, where do you set that. I can try this side and see what gives
[08:48] <mips1911> koegs, I just tried it with the default <Alt>F7 and that does not work either, all the other shortcuts do work though.
[08:49] <koegs> in Settingshm
[08:49] <koegs> hm, in 11.10 it was working without problems
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> saving thesession?
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> saving the session?
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> derp
[08:51] <koegs> also it takes some time until the standard-hotkeys for browser, terminal, etc. are working
[08:53] <Marzata> Super is the windows' flag key?
[08:53] <koegs> yes
[08:53] <koegs> also tried ALT_L + Up as an alternative, same problem
[08:53] <Marzata> I use that key to change language layouts.
[08:59] <mips1911> double clicking a window also does not maximise it
[08:59] <koegs> thats working here
[09:02] <mips1911> koegs, just tried again, seems my double click speed is to slow to be picked up, if i click really fast it works, thx
[09:02] <xuserx> does anyone know how make ubuntu customization kit work with xubuntu12.04 ? >Failed to copy resolv.conf, error=1
[09:02] <xuserx> :)
[09:04] <xuserx> please help me
[09:04] <xuserx> :-D
[09:04] <xuserx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/uck/+bug/946480
[09:04] <xuserx> so, how can i fix this error?
[09:05] <xuserx> :-D
[09:06] <xuserx> can you help me?
[09:07] <ceelight> Hi! Does anyone know where I could get the netboot.tar.gz of xubuntu 12.04? Thanks!
[09:08] <ceelight> xuserx: What's your problem?
[09:08] <well_laid_lawn> xuserx: from the bug report you have to remaster the iso afaict
[09:08] <ceelight> ah, ok...
[09:09] <well_laid_lawn> !minimal
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> ceelight: ^^
[09:10] <xuserx> so i cant remaster xubuntu 12.04 iso?
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> xuserx: you can if you want
[09:10] <xuserx> but how can i fix that error?
[09:12] <ceelight> well_laid_lawn: thx, I'll give it a try.
[09:12] <xuserx> well_laid_lawn: how can i fix that error?
[09:13] <mips1911> ceelight, is there not a single netboot file for all the flavours after which you do a cli install and choose you're apps/DE?
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> xuserx: see post #10 of the bugreport
[09:14] <mips1911> ceelight, as far as i know it works similar to the alternate cd. But here is the netboot files for 12.04 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/precise/
[09:15] <xuserx> well_laid_lawn: what post?
[09:16] <xuserx> ok
[09:16] <ceelight> mips1911: thanks for the link! Problem is that on the machine where I want to install xubuntu the cdrom is broken. The BIOS doesn't let me boot from USB, so netbook.
[09:16] <ceelight> -k+t
[09:17] <mips1911> ceelight, then that link will work for you, just select the right architecture, i386, amd64 etc.
[09:18] <ceelight> mips1911: yeah, no problem. Not the first time for me... ;-) Thanks again!
[09:18] <mips1911> ceelight, no problemo ;)
[09:30] <qwerkus> hi, I'm trying to upgrade Xubuntu from 11.10 to 12.04, but it stucks at "Could not calculate the upgrade"
[09:30] <qwerkus> how can I find out where exactly the problem is ?
[09:30] <qwerkus> is there any logfile ?
[09:30] <qwerkus> Thank for help
[09:35] <xuserx> i cant fix that error
[09:35] <knome> qwerkus, try to run 'sudo apt-get update', 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and retry
[09:35] <qwerkus> @knome: ok, on my way
[09:36] <xuserx> any ideas?
[09:36] <xuserx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/uck/+bug/946480
[09:37] <xuserx> can you help me please?
[09:38] <qwerkus> "[Waiting for headers]" = ubuntu servers too busy ?
[09:39] <well_laid_lawn> or there's lots of 'em
[09:39] <xuserx> i added that text (post #10)  to libraries/remaster-live-cd.sh script but i receive the same error
[09:39] <xubuntu668> hi, I have an issue with xubuntu 12.04: if I choose another theme (darklook for example) lots of windows won't get themed (like package manager, password request)
[09:40] <knome> xubuntu668, many themes aren't gtk3 complete - there isn't much you can do about it
[09:40] <knome> xuserx, i suppose there would be better channels to ask about UCK, but i don't know which - have you tried from #ubuntu ?
[09:41] <Sysi> gnome-look.org and xfce-look.org have quite nice variety of gtk3 themes
[09:42] <xubuntu668> ok, I'll try gnome-look.org and xfce-look.org and see if I find some nice dark theme
[09:49] <xuserx> how can i install uck 2.4.6 svn?
[09:50] <xuserx> i will try uck 2.4.6 svn
[09:51] <xuserx> how can i empty root trash in xubuntu?
[09:52] <xuserx> how can i empty root trash in xubuntu?
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> !root
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> there shouldn't be a rrot trash
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> s/rrot/root/
[09:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> Hi, how do I config my xfce session so that after x minutes the screen will fade and go to a login screen (i.e. the screen locks)?
[09:55] <Sysi> WhereIsMySpoon: see screensaver settings
[09:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> Sysi, ah i had screensaver disabled
[09:56] <well_laid_lawn> WhereIsMySpoon: there's a plugin - http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-time-out-plugin
[09:57] <Marzata> or xtrlock is cool too. it locks the keyboard, while screen visible.
[09:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok thanks people
[10:18] <xuserx> i trierd uck 2.4.6 svn and the same error
[10:18] <xuserx> Failed to copy resolv.conf, error=1
[10:18] <xuserx> Build ended at 2012-05-01 13:17:42
[10:19] <xuserx> any ideas?
[10:48] <xubuntu-lover> got d/c. is there a guide to porting a theme to gtk3 around?
[10:49] <knome> no, not really. it's not a simple/quick task whatsoever
[10:49] <xubuntu-lover> tch
[10:49] <xubuntu-lover> I supposed so
[10:50] <xubuntu-lover> so no luck in the theme side
[10:50] <xubuntu-lover> T_T
[10:50] <xubuntu-lover> well, question 2
[10:50] <xubuntu-lover> network
[10:50] <xubuntu-lover> I'm using xubuntu precise on a netbook
[10:51] <xubuntu-lover> I used to be able to share the inet connection with a desktop via lan cable
[10:52] <xubuntu-lover> wifi has inet from the access point, the eth interface has "shared with other PC" set and all used to work
[10:52] <xubuntu-lover> address was <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:53] <xubuntu-lover> , and if I reboot the netbook it becames
[10:54] <xubuntu-lover> I noticed that if I reboot, I get a <IP_ADDRESS> address, and that works as before
[10:54] <xubuntu-lover> but it's not persistent on reboot
[10:55] <xubuntu-lover> as soon I poweroff, it loses all of this
[10:56] <xubuntu-lover> happens just with xubuntu, older ubuntu works
[10:57] <xubuntu-lover> any idea on how to fix this?
[10:57] <xubuntu-lover> damn! phone
[11:30] <knome> somebody able to suggest a good printer-scanner-copier for linux?
[11:30] <knome> for personal use, doesn't have to be high-end or anything
[11:33] <Myrtti> knome: depends what you're looking for in it
[11:33] <knome> just the features, in color
[11:33] <knome> doesn't have to be anything special, just work
[11:33] <Myrtti> alright, I suppose HP is good in that then. If you were looking for black and white laser I'd say Samsung
[11:34] <knome> any hp model, or something specific?
[11:34] <knome> it's for my mom, she already has a hp i think, but i also think that one is borked
[11:34] <Myrtti> I've got one in Finland and one in UK, SCX-4200 and SCX-4500W and they work mostly plug and play, the scanner sharing over network needs a bit more work but oh well
[11:35] <Myrtti> (of Samsung)
[11:35] <knome> hah, "over network" doesn't belong in her repertoire anyway
[11:35] <knome> but yeah, now that you mention it, i think it wouldn't hurt if it was a network printer
[11:36] <Myrtti> almost any HP should be fine, they are usually well supported with hplip
[11:37] <knome> mm-hmm. good
[11:37] <knome> thanks
[11:37] <Myrtti> check linuxprinting etc first tho
[11:37] <knome> heh, verkkokauppa.com is advertisin a hp all-in-one
[11:37] <Myrtti> what I'd really suggest tho is to consider black and white lasers
[11:38] <knome> i'm 99% confident that's a no-go
[11:38] <Myrtti> the ink is more expensive but it yields longer and is cheaper and faster
[11:38] <Myrtti> ie. money used at one time at purchase is more, but it prints more pages being cheaper at the end of the day
[11:39] <knome> yeah, i know
[11:39] <knome> but again, it's not for me
[11:39] <knome> though i'd go for an inkjet too, but (at least) a3 and print-over-edge
[11:39] <Myrtti> the SCX-4200 I bought in late 2007 is only now running out of it's introductory smaller ink casette
[11:39] <knome> but that's a different story...
[11:39] <knome> huho, yeah
[11:40] <Myrtti> main use has has been printing train/flight tickets and occasional code printout
[11:40] <Myrtti> unless she is printing photographs, which is stupid, there is relatively small benefits in having a colour inkjet
[11:41] <Myrtti> just something to think about...
[11:41] <mips1911> knome, hp officejet series. One with built in lan is even better. Got a 6313 which is great
[11:42] <knome> Myrtti, yeah...
[11:57] <knome> wireless mice work usually well, right?
[12:12] <ablomen> knome, i second hp printers, the drivers worked for everything i attached to pc's (from 90's plotters to modern all in ones etc), and wireless mice/keyboards work fine, at least if you go for something decent like logitech etc
[12:12] <knome> yeah, she has a logitech mouse
[12:12] <knome> and acutally, a hp printer too ;)
[12:15] <ablomen> Heh ok that should be fine then :)
[12:16] <knome> i hope so. possibly going to install 12.04 for her tomorrow
[12:17] <knome> or if not tomorrow, any time soon whatsoever
[12:19] <ablomen> nice, I know my mom appreciated the interface/stability etc after switching from windows 7, xfce is seems very mom-friendly ;)
[12:19] <Sysi> I should upgrade mom's laptop to 12.04
[12:19] <knome> yup, wife-friendly too!
[12:20] <mips1911> knome, I also have a logitech wireless mouse on my laptop
[12:22] <Myrtti> I might be migrating my sister's machine to Xubuntu with 12.04
[12:23] <baizon> ich will upgrade moms laptop from 10.4 when 12.04.1 is released :)
[12:23] <Myrtti> so it's rolereversal, I've moved from Xubuntu to Ubuntu on 11.10, and she'll move to Xubuntu from Ubuntu on 12.04
[12:25] <yell0w> baizon: wimp
[12:25]  * yell0w >_>
[12:25] <knome> yell0w, please, we don't need that attitude
[12:25] <baizon> wimp?
[12:25] <knome> upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04.1 is encouraged
[12:25] <yell0w> hahaha knome jk
[12:25] <knome> yell0w, please don't
[12:26] <baizon> jk?
[12:26] <knome> yell0w, irony is really hard to "get" over irc
[12:26] <yell0w> i am on 10.4 waiting for 12.04.1
[12:26] <baizon> words please, no shortcuts
[12:26] <baizon> a ok
[12:26] <baizon> xubuntu or ubuntu?
[12:27] <yell0w> been using ubuntu up until 2 days ago
[12:28] <Sysi> unity offers some really interesting options for power users, but I'm happy with my xfce setup
[12:28] <yell0w> i saw 12.04 come out so i thought, time to start migrating
[12:28] <yell0w> :D
[12:28] <Myrtti> Sysi: yeah I suspect the brilliance of Unity is lost on my sister
[12:28] <Myrtti> Sysi: and XFCE is fine for her just like it was fine for me
[12:29] <Myrtti> I'd probably still be using Xubuntu if Unity hadn't grown on me when I used it on a tablet machine
[12:29] <Sysi> Myrtti: I can't know if she'd hate it, but she'll probably like xfce
[12:29] <knome> Myrtti, so, as somebody who went the other way, what's in unity that you didn't get from xfce - or is it about something else?
[12:30] <Myrtti> knome: I absolutely love the Empathy/Gmail indicator integration
[12:30] <knome> hmm. can't you have that in xfce too?
[12:30] <Myrtti> I used a lot of keyboard shortcuts on XFCE too, so that's nothing new
[12:31] <Sysi> I never really got that integration when I used gnome-shell.. maybe I'm not active enough with IMs
[12:32] <Myrtti> what I like is the ease of looking up applications and files with the Unity search thingie, it's like a cross between Gnome-Do, Run dialog and the menus
[12:32] <knome> mm-hmm
[12:32] <Myrtti> Sysi: it's more about the email integration for me
[12:32] <Sysi> ah
[12:32] <baizon> i use popper :)
[12:33] <baizon> very nice for multiple email account
[12:33]  * knome only wants email when he clicks email
[12:33] <Myrtti> perhaps I should try to do that screencast
[12:33] <Myrtti> again
[12:33] <knome> \o/
[12:35]  * Sysi installing synapse
[12:35] <yell0w> Myrtti: i'm the other way around. i prefer gnome-do over unity
[12:35] <baizon> yell0w: i use synapse :)
[12:36] <baizon> loving it since day 1
[12:36] <yell0w> not in the repo ?
[12:37] <Sysi> for 10.04 maybe not yet
[12:37] <Sysi> baizon: do I need to add it to autostart?
[12:38] <baizon> Sysi: damn i forgot
[12:38] <baizon> if im not wrong there should be an option
[12:38] <baizon> to autolaunch
[12:38] <Sysi> seems to be, I guess that works
[12:39]  * knome is off, see you all later
[12:40] <baizon> cu knome
[12:41] <Sysi> meh, synapse is nowhere near the usability of spotlight
[12:43] <baizon> Sysi: your using xubuntu?
[12:43] <Sysi> yup
[12:44] <baizon> i mean its the same as spotlight =)
[12:44] <Sysi> much worse with files
[12:45] <baizon> ok
[12:45] <baizon> but there is no spotlight for linux?
[12:46] <Sysi> I have mac too
[12:54] <baizon> ok
[12:54] <yell0w> Sysi: kupfer ?
[12:55] <yell0w> does ctrl-f4 not work in xubuntu ?
[12:55] <Sysi> does it even work for searching files?
[12:55] <yell0w> yes Sysi
[12:55] <Sysi> whta should ctrl F4 do?
[12:55] <yell0w> close tabs ?
[12:55] <yell0w> i swear it was working yesterday :~(
[12:56] <yell0w> now it's not
[12:57] <GridCube> yell0w, ctrl-w
[12:57] <Sysi> kupfer doesn't really look any better..
[12:58] <yell0w> GridCube: can i change it somewhere ?
[12:58] <yell0w> Sysi: it's got lots of plugins
[12:58] <GridCube> yell0w, read this http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[12:58] <yell0w> GridCube: i'm on 10.04
[12:58] <GridCube> O_o
[12:59] <GridCube> okay
[12:59] <GridCube> 10.04 used xfce 4.6
[13:00] <GridCube> i dunno
[13:00] <GridCube> :/
[13:02] <GridCube> yell0w, try this http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5978
[13:02] <hydester> running xubuntu 12.04 and can't get my dual monitors working again.  only mirrored.  tried xrandr with --left-of and it flickrs and stays mirrored.  tried settings editor and changed one monitor position without any effect after reboot.  any other suggestions?  using VGA1 and DVI1
[13:04] <GridCube> yell0w, that last one should really help you
[13:04] <GridCube> hydester, try using arandr
[13:04] <yell0w> GridCube: thanks
[13:05] <hydester> GridCube: hey.  i did and dragging them apart doesn't unmirror them
[13:05] <hydester> closing and opening arandr they are overlapped again
[13:07] <hydester> okay, i was able to do this as a workaround: xrandr --output DVI1 --pos 1024x0
[13:07] <hydester> in the past i have used position only in settings editor or --left/right-of via xrandr
[13:11] <hipparchia> hi :)
[13:12] <Myrtti> knome, Sysi: http://youtu.be/ERv2SOGL2Yw
[13:32] <xubuntu317> hello
[13:55] <jpastore> hi, where do I go to create a CIFS or SSHFS mount in xubuntu? is there a Places/connect to server? or should I just use the mount command?
[14:01] <Tibuda> jpastore: for ssh, use gigolo
[14:02] <jpastore> tibuda, ok something I cna install from the ubuntu software manager?
[14:02] <Tibuda> it is already installed in xubuntu, under the system menu
[14:05] <jpastore> tibuda, ok I found it and I can browse my other box, is there a way to mount with this? I want to mount a folder on the remote server into a local folder.
[14:08] <jpastore> tibuda, i think I may have figured it out before you spin wheels pointing me to docs or anything
[14:08] <jpastore> thanks for the tips. I'll let you know if I have an issue...you rock! =)
[14:09] <Tibuda> ok
[14:11] <autif> I have a USB-serial dongle (067b:2303) - it used to work fine in Natty/Oneiric as a user, however, in Precise, I need to sudo to send/receive data from it - how do I fix this?
[14:15] <jpastore> Tibuda: ok I got it bookmarked but I don't see how to mount it. should I use sshfs/fstab?
[14:32] <Tibuda> jpastore: gigolo uses gvfs, which mounts everything in ~/.gvfs
[14:33] <jpastore> interesting
[14:33] <jpastore> I'll look up that syntax shortly. while waiting I started on trying sshfs
[14:34] <jpastore> ok well sshfs not working as intended. let me see if gvfs is installed and how to make that work.
[14:53] <palmpilot> hi, is there another way to deliver additional options/arguments to the graphic driver than creating and fiddeling around a manually created xorg.conf?
[15:21] <autif> I have a USB-serial dongle (067b:2303) - it used to work fine in Natty/Oneiric as a user, however, in Precise, I need to sudo to send/receive data from it - how do I fix this? I am guessing that somehow udev needs to be tweaked - I just can not figure out how
[15:41] <zth> tips for a easy way to control the cpu-governors?
[15:41] <zth> in xfce
[16:24] <nishttal2> how can i setup the SSD on this machine to always mount at /ssd on reboot
[16:28] <Unit193> nishttal2: By using fstab.
[16:31] <nishttal2> Unit193, command not found.. do i need to isntall it?
[16:31] <Unit193> !fstab
[16:31] <nishttal2> Unit193, aah i see
[16:31] <Unit193> I use that to mount a SMB share to /mnt
[16:32] <nishttal2> so i need the UUID for the drive?
[16:33] <Unit193> Not hard to pickup.
[16:34] <nishttal2> in Ubuntu there was disk utility.. i dont see that in xubuntu
[16:34] <nishttal2> do you know how i can install that
[16:37] <nishttal2> i can just use /dev/sdb instead of UUID
[16:37] <Unit193> gparted was it, I'd think. You can also sudo blkid
[16:38] <nishttal2> ok made the entry now do i reboot or is there another way to make this show up?
[16:39] <nishttal2> i did this btw.. /dev/sdb1       /ssd    ext4    defaults        0       2
[16:42] <Unit193> I don't remember what's supposed to be there, but sudo mount -a will mount it, if it's correct.
[16:43] <nishttal2> yeah that worked.. thanks :)
[16:43] <Unit193> Great1
[16:43] <nishttal2> so at reboot this is automatically run?
[16:43] <Unit193> s/1/\!/
[16:43] <Unit193> Yeop.
[16:43] <nishttal2> sweet
[16:50] <nishttal2> Unit193, can i put samba shares in fstab?
[16:50] <Unit193> If not, better tell me quick so I can remove mine. >_>
[16:50] <nishttal2> hahah.. how do i provide the password for it
[16:51] <nishttal2> if its happening at boot time
[16:51] <Unit193>  credentials=/path/to/file
[16:52] <Unit193> //<IP_ADDRESS>/public /mnt/alpha/public cifs credentials=/root/alphawvm,uid=1000,gid=1000,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0     (Note, this is really not a good way to do it. :P )
[16:53] <nishttal2> perfect creating credentials file now
[17:08] <Sandor> Hello
[17:08] <liznevada> so, anybody here has a blackberry?
[17:08] <Sandor> I need some help
[17:08] <Sandor> I used ndiswrapper to install a driver for Netgear WNA1000M adapter
[17:09] <Sandor> Then I went to manage connection
[17:09] <Sandor> Plugged in my info
[17:09] <Sandor> And nothing
[17:09] <Sandor> I believe this is Lucid
[17:09] <Sandor> Not sure then
[17:09] <Sandor> Any help would be great
[17:11] <Sandor> Oh, and I don't have ethernet connection
[17:11] <Sandor> Desktop, far from modem
[17:12] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs That's about all I can give you, that and there's a GUI for it too. Never had to use it.
[17:15] <Sandor> Well, thank you.
[17:16] <liznevada> so all folks use android huh?
[17:17] <Unit193> Not necessarily, just the active ones don't use BlackBerry.
[17:17] <liznevada> i mean, i try to use the massive storage but xubuntu doesnt mount it
[17:17] <liznevada> but barry and linberry detectes the phone
[17:17] <liznevada> and lsusb as well
[17:18] <Unit193> !info barrybackup-gui
[17:18] <liznevada> barry detects the phone and can sync and all, but the massive storage mode doesnt work
[17:19] <liznevada> xubuntu doesnt mount it
[17:19] <liznevada> btw fedo** using KD* mounts it as USB Key
[17:20] <Unit193> You could try manually with mount.
[17:21] <Unit193> I've never used a BB before, so I'm not likely to know for sure.
[17:21] <liznevada> yeah but the pc with xubuntu is not for me. but for my brother, a non linux user
[17:23] <liznevada> and xubuntu mounts regulars usb keys but not the god***** phone
[17:25] <martinphone> can anyone please paste the command used to scan from the terminal? was it pnma something?
[17:26] <Myrtti> blackberries aren't even sold where I live
[17:28] <bjornborg> hi! does thunar remember its window position?
[17:29] <nishttal2> Unit193, i am getting this error with samba share http://www.fpaste.org/YPt0/
[17:30] <Unit193> nishttal2: Did you check dmesg? (type that into terminal to see) and can you paste the line you use too?
[17:30] <Unit193> Also, what did you use to make the auth file? It's a bit picky on that.
[17:30] <nishttal2> i install cifs-utils and now it works.. thanks  :)
[17:31] <Unit193> I did nothing, but you're welcome.
[17:31] <nishttal2> going to reboot and see if everything shows up :)
[17:37] <tnorris> 12.04 has finally been mirrored in the US, but I still can't upgrade from 11.10. any ideas?
[17:39] <Unit193> Do you have errors? Why do you think you can't update?
[17:40] <Unit193> (I'm in Ohio and upgraded 3 systems random days ago)
[17:41] <tnorris> Unit193: don't know why. I run "sudo update" then "sudo do-release-upgrade" and it just says there's no new distro
[17:42] <Unit193> Weird, is your sources.list messed up at all?
[17:43] <tnorris> Unit193: where do I find sources.list?
[17:43] <Myrtti> if it were 10.04 I'd know what the problem is...
[17:43] <Unit193> Yeah, but could try that anyway. :P
[17:43] <Unit193> /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:43] <tnorris> Myrtti: might as well give it a shot
[17:44] <tnorris> Unit193: thanks. just took a peek. looks like it's never been touched
[17:45] <Unit193> sudo do-rel<tab> -d
[17:46] <tnorris> output> "Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found"
[17:46] <Unit193> Myrtti: We permitted to go debian style? ;)
[17:46] <baizon> tnorris: or run "update-manager -d"
[17:49] <tnorris> baizon: nope. still doesn't think there's an update
[17:50] <baizon> you dont get a button with 12.04?
[17:51] <tnorris> Myrtti: what was that problem you were talking about?
[17:51] <Unit193> Just to make sure, you are connected to the internet and it's all working? No blocks on ubuntu.com?
[17:51] <tnorris> baizon: nope.
[17:51] <Myrtti> tnorris: if you were on Lucid, 10.04 LTS, the update wouldn't show up until the first .1 update to 12.04 is available
[17:52] <Myrtti> you'd have to try it with the -d flag on the command, then it would show
[17:52] <tnorris> Unit193: yeah. it's the box i'm typing on now. and no blocks are in place.
[17:52] <Myrtti> but since you've already tried it, and you're not on Lucid, then it's not that either
[17:52] <tnorris> Myrtti: -d doesn't work. already tried it.
[17:52] <tnorris> ok, yeah
[17:53] <tnorris> is there a way I can get more verbose output so I can see what's going on?
[17:53] <yell0w> which version are you on ?
[17:54] <Unit193> tnorris: Well, would you mind pastebining your sources? Also check lsb_release -a
[18:06] <tnorris> and i'm back (just installed latest kernel and had to rebuild my nvidia drivers)
[18:07] <tnorris> so, is there a way to check for a new dist. verbosely? so I can see where it's checking.
[18:07] <Unit193> do-rele<TAB> --help didn't say much.
[18:08] <tnorris> Unit193: nope. no verbose output or anything
[18:10] <tnorris> Unit193: do-release-upgrade is actually just a py script that uses update-manager to check for the updates.
[18:11] <Unit193> Yep, it's not much.  I'd asked if I could look at your sources.list, but not sure I could do much.
[18:14] <Belserusk> I have a laptop with 2 approx. 35GB HDDs and want to install Xubuntu 12.04 -- at the install screen it hangs after I select to unmount the drive after the Question. What do I do now?
[18:14] <Belserusk> The laptop is a Acer TravelMate 4220.
[18:16] <tnorris> Unit193: wow, i'm a dumbass. in the update-manager menu, it was set to never show updates to new distributions...
[18:16] <Myrtti> ... LOL :-D
[18:17] <Belserusk> I have a Acer TravelMate 4220 laptop with 2 35GB HDDs and want to install Xubuntu 12.04 -- at the install screen it hangs after I select to unmount the drive in response to the Question. What do I do now?
[18:17] <Unit193> Wow, and it won't tell you about it if you *manually* check? Crappy...
[18:18] <tnorris> Unit193: i know, right? I thought that's the way it worked so I disabled automatically notifying me because I manually update all the time.
[18:18] <tnorris> Belserusk: what is " the Question"?
[18:19] <knome> tnorris, "will you marry me?"
[18:19] <knome> though the installer shouldn't ask that..
[18:20] <Belserusk> tnorris, you know the one where it says such a drive is in use...
[18:20] <Belserusk> tnorris, perhaps it cannot unmount the 2 HDD's
[18:21] <tnorris> Belserusk: why do you need to unmount them?
[18:21] <tnorris> knome: choosing a distro can sometimes feel like a life time commitment though.
[18:23] <Belserusk> tnorris, Because it says I cannot change partitions unless it is unmounted.
[18:25] <tnorris> Belserusk: after you using the normal live cd, or the alternate installer?
[18:25] <Belserusk> tnorris, norm
[18:26] <tnorris> are you trying to do anything with the hdd's before you install?
[18:26] <starn> is there any major changes in 12.04?? like as long as there is no huge change like unity for ubuntu i am happy.
[18:27] <tnorris> starn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[18:27] <starn> thanks tnorris the upgrade text only had links for ubuntu..
[18:28] <tnorris> starn: yeah, the link is buried in a text wall.
[18:28] <Belserusk> tnorris, no
[18:29] <starn> hmm the line "lots of appearance imrpovements scare me a little.. guess i'll ghosts the hard drive onto my backup drive and update...... for everything else sounds fine to me.
[18:29] <tnorris> Belserusk: can you try physically removing the hdd you don't want to install to?
[18:30] <tnorris> starn: don't think you have to worry. check the screenshots of 12.04 on xubuntu.org.
[18:31] <knome> starn, improvements, not huge changes
[18:31] <starn> tnorris: ah didn't think to do that.. guess i should sleep while it updates haha.
[18:31] <tnorris> sleep is good. unwanted, but necessary.
[18:32] <starn> true.. well i don't see any updates to anything that will drive me insane. so i'll talk to you guys later when my brain has a lil rem..
[18:55] <Belserusk> Hi. Can someone help me with this?
[18:55] <Belserusk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11895695#post11895695
[18:58] <holstein> Belserusk: i would try the alternate installer http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/12.04/release/xubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[18:58] <holstein> or however you get there from http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[18:59] <GridCube> Belserusk, is sdb the second disk or is the usbdrive?
[18:59] <Belserusk> Hi holstein. Ok. Would me using a USB drive Live session rather than a Live CD make a difference?
[19:00] <holstein> Belserusk: AFAIK, that works fine now
[19:00] <holstein> GridCube will have some helful suggestions though :)
[19:01] <Belserusk> Hi GridCube. My USB pen is /dev/sdb1
[19:01] <GridCube> ok so sdb is mounted because you are running your system from it
[19:01] <GridCube> if you try to install over the medium you are using to install it will fail
[19:03] <Belserusk> GridCube, Is SDA2 mounted? What does the * signify?
[19:05] <GridCube> !imagebin | Belserusk
[19:05] <GridCube> please send me an screenshot Belserusk
[19:06] <GridCube> also on a terminal write this >sudo fdisk -l
[19:06] <GridCube> and pastebin the output
[19:07] <Belserusk> GridCube, http://imagebin.org/210531
[19:07] <GridCube> Belserusk, yes, that doesnt help much :P
[19:08] <Belserusk> http://imagebin.org/210532
[19:09] <GridCube> Belserusk, the asterisk means that partition is a booteable one
[19:09] <Belserusk> GridCube, I see.
[19:10] <GridCube> Belserusk, i gather that your sdb is a 16gb pendrive
[19:10] <Belserusk> GridCube, Yes.
[19:10] <GridCube> and you are trying to install xubuntu there?
[19:11] <Belserusk> GridCube, No, I want to install Xub onto one of the 2 HDDs.
[19:12] <Belserusk> My 16GB pen drive contains the Xub live ISO.
[19:12] <GridCube> ok, let me see your install setup, no the error, the underit screen
[19:13] <Belserusk> GridCube, ?
[19:14] <GridCube> yes
[19:14] <Belserusk> GridCube, Please explain
[19:14] <Belserusk> GridCube, If I used a CD instead -- perhaps there will be no problem?
[19:14] <GridCube> there is a stage where the installer asks you where do you want to install
[19:14] <GridCube> Belserusk, its the same
[19:14] <Belserusk> GridCube, No. I don't get to that part. It hangs before that.
[19:15] <GridCube> ooooo
[19:15] <GridCube> thats wrong
[19:15] <GridCube> it should not matter if you have mounted sdb
[19:15] <Belserusk> GridCube, Its a pity because the live session is zippy and everything else seems fine.
[19:15] <GridCube> Belserusk, care to retry using another usb port?
[19:17] <GridCube> Belserusk, please send me another image, please on a terminal write: df
[19:17] <GridCube> and paste the output
[19:17] <Belserusk> GridCube, funny enough I was thinking that..._^^
[19:18] <Belserusk> GridCube, will do. I must turn the laptop back on. Back soon...
[19:18] <GridCube> oh :P
[19:18] <GridCube> yeah
[19:18] <GridCube> nevermind then, it was to know where sdb was being mounted
[19:19] <GridCube> because if it was to /target then it would explain some things
[19:19] <Belserusk> GridCube, what is "/target" ?
[19:20] <GOMF> hello
[19:20] <GridCube> /target is where the installer cd mounts the "target" destiny of partitions, say you give sda3 to /home, the live cd would mount them on /target/home
[19:20] <Unit193> Howdy.
[19:20] <GridCube> sup GOMF
[19:20] <GridCube> :)
[19:21] <Belserusk> GridCube, I understand.
[19:21] <GOMF> not much, i have a question about xubuntu (specifically thunar/catfish)
[19:21] <GridCube> ask away
[19:22] <GOMF> i would like to search files in a folder and copy/cut and paste the found files to another folder
[19:22] <GOMF> how would i do this?
[19:22] <Belserusk> GridCube, changing the USB port did not make a difference.
[19:23] <GridCube> Belserusk, when does this screen pops up?
[19:23] <GridCube> after what stage?
[19:24] <Belserusk> GridCube, Which screen - the "unknown partitions... one?
[19:24] <SATop> hello
[19:24] <Belserusk> http://imagebin.org/210532
[19:25] <GOMF> i hoped that i could select all the files in catfish and press cut but there is no option for that
[19:25] <GridCube> no Belserusk in the installer
[19:25] <GridCube> what stage, you first set the language, then
[19:25] <GridCube> when does it fails?
[19:26] <GridCube> GOMF, sadly, thats not possible :(
[19:26] <Belserusk> 3rd
[19:26] <Belserusk> GridCube, 3rd stage.
[19:26] <GridCube> i never understood the usefulness of catfish, it just search for stuff and thats it
[19:26] <Unit193> GridCube: Can't you do that in find with -exec?
[19:26] <GridCube> GOMF, i always end up find with -exec
[19:27] <GridCube> s/end up/end up using/
[19:27] <GridCube> Belserusk, thats the one when you choose disks?
[19:27] <GOMF> GridCube, ok, thanks for the help
[19:27] <GridCube> ok
[19:27] <GridCube> sorry GOMF :(
[19:28] <GOMF> GridCube, no problem, it's not your fault ;)
[19:28] <GridCube> :)
[19:28] <GridCube> GOMF, using find with exec is rather easy, do you want some guidance?
[19:29] <Belserusk> GridCube, don't get that far. I just tried Lubuntu live session -- same problem.
[19:29] <GOMF> GridCube, i'll figure it out, i just couldn't find anything on google concerning thunar/catfish that's why i came here
[19:31] <GridCube> mmmhm
[19:31] <GridCube> Belserusk, try an alternate installer
[19:31] <GridCube> or as last resource try a real cd
[19:32] <Belserusk> GridCube, I will try live cd first. Cheers.
[19:32] <GridCube> and remove the pendrive, that should make all sdb warnings irrelevant because there will be none :P
[19:32] <Belserusk> GridCube, thanks for your help. Cheers.
[19:32] <GridCube> good luck
[19:32] <Belserusk> Bye GridCube .
[19:37] <SATop> how to run programs wich require root in a normal user login as another user with admin rights ?
[19:37] <GridCube> sudo
[19:37] <GridCube> !sudo | SATop
[19:38] <GridCube> !gksu | SATop
[19:38] <SATop> sudo wont work because the user is not in the admin group
[19:38] <GridCube> add it
[19:39] <SATop> i dont want to add it
[19:39] <GridCube> well, log in to a terminal as a sudoer user
[19:39] <SATop> i want to do admin taks in a normal user login as another userwith admin rights
[19:40] <Unit193> su admin-user
[19:40] <GridCube> SATop, something like "sudo su root"
[19:41] <SATop> unit i try that
[19:41] <Pici> 'sudo -i'
[19:42] <Unit193> Pici: The current user doesn't have admin, and doesn't want to add it.
[19:43] <Pici> Unit193: er, I was correcting GridCube.  Selecting reading :/
[19:43] <Unit193> Yep, had that.
[19:44] <SATop> unit your method works
[19:44] <Unit193> Great, glad that gets it.
[19:48] <SATop> unit i had another method "pkexec sudo -s"
[19:49] <dpyro> hi, I have a xubuntu guest VM in VMWare that just ran out of space, it was 9GB ext4 mounted for / and 1GB of swap
[19:49] <dpyro> i shutdown the VM, added 1GB in disk space to the VMware disk, and booted back up
[19:50] <dpyro> and fired up gparted
[19:50] <dpyro> right now i have the same 9GB ext4 / partition, then 1GB unallocated, then 1GB swap
[19:50] <dpyro> i can succesfully disable the swap partition online and move it around
[19:51] <dpyro> can i extend the 9GB ext4 / partition online to also use the unallocated space (which is on the right)?
[19:51] <dpyro> i know you can extend ext4 online, but i don't know how to do it with a partition itself :S
[19:51] <dpyro> thanks for any help in advance
[19:51] <dpyro> :)
[19:53] <GridCube> mmm
[19:54] <GridCube> dpyro, how important is your data there?
[19:54] <GridCube> moving partition and resizing them can be a tricky work
[19:55] <GridCube> to start with, you need to umount the disk you are wanting to resize, so you need to be using something like a live-cd to do that, you can use gparted live (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php) then you resize and move to your pleasure
[19:55] <dpyro> hmm
[19:56] <dpyro> well ideally i just want to do this quickly and get a dedicated disk for the VM later on when I have $/time
[19:56] <dpyro> my other option i guess is to try and trim down the xubuntu os itself
[19:57] <GridCube> dpyro, think that /etc/fstab uses UUID to work, so if you resize your disks the UUID for them would change, edit your fstab before starting and give them static locations, like /dev/sda1 because else you wont be able to boot again
[19:57] <GridCube> also if grub points to UUID you will find the same problem
[19:57] <dpyro> does it UUID the disk itself or its partitions?
[19:58] <GridCube> partitions
[19:58] <dpyro> oh my
[19:58] <dpyro> i guess size is included in that hash
[19:58] <dpyro> or endpoint
[19:58] <GridCube> i pretty much guess so, im never sure of how those things work
[20:00] <dpyro> is there a way to list installed packages and their sizes?
[20:01] <GridCube> i don't know about the sizes but in synaptic you can sort all the installed software
[20:01] <hydester> dpyro: if you usv LVM then you can extend partitions online
[20:02] <hydester> you extend the lv partition then extend the underlying ext4
[20:02] <dpyro> i'm not using LVM :(
[20:02] <dpyro> i didn't think xubuntu would grow to use 9GB
[20:03] <dpyro> what's the size of base xubuntu and the UI?
[20:03] <GridCube> :P it can
[20:03] <dpyro> erm DE
[20:03] <GridCube> !info xfwm4
[20:03] <GridCube> not that big
[20:04] <dpyro> 4GB for the DE
[20:04] <hydester> perhaps upgrade (or whatever you'd consider it) to btrfs and use compression
[20:04] <hydester> i'm have not personally embraced btrfs yet, but just an idea
[20:04] <dpyro> hmm
[20:04] <dpyro> well i'm shooting for any hackish idea that frees up 500MB-1GB
[20:05] <dpyro> otherwise it would be more time efficient to just reinstall
[20:05] <dpyro> as its a VM
[20:05] <hydester> a VM?  so you have more space, just not in the VM?
[20:05] <dpyro> i mostly use it for programming in python3/numpy/scipy
[20:05] <dpyro> no, the space is IN the vm
[20:06] <dpyro> i allocated more diskspace from vmware
[20:06] <dpyro> its just unallocated
[20:07] <hydester> i'd guess there is a vmware way to do it.  just create a new vmdk or whatever it is called and copy it there
[20:07] <hydester> then extend ext4
[20:07] <dpyro> vmdk = vm disk image?
[20:08] <hydester> i use virtualbox, here is info on how to do it with that - http://www.collage6.com/2011/01/06/resize-and-expand-a-virtualbox-hard-drive-and-media-made-easy/
[20:08] <dpyro> well i can't just extend ext4 without extending the partition first
[20:08] <hydester> should  be similar process with vmware
[20:08] <hydester> basically migrating the partition to a new virtual disk
[20:08] <dpyro> is virtual box OSS?
[20:09] <hydester> gray area.  there is an OS version and a non-OS free version
[20:09] <hydester> more open than vmware
[20:10] <dpyro> i'd imagine, vmware is completely closed
[20:10] <dpyro> i think the problem is i have vmware player
[20:11] <hydester> i mean more free than vmware
[20:11] <hydester> ;)
[20:11] <dpyro> vmware workstation has tools to help you resize linux partitions without running the VM
[20:11] <dpyro> heh
[20:12] <hydester> vbox is very good.  but some advanced features are command line only.  but mostly it just works and has seamless mode too, which i think vmware copied from them
[20:13] <dpyro> is there a way to list all installed packages? i'm thinking apt-cache can do it
[20:13] <dpyro> aye
[20:13] <dpyro> my only requirement is host/guest integration
[20:13] <dpyro> i couldn't get file transfer integration working on this vmware player anyway, but just copy/paste is invaluable
[20:14] <GridCube> dpyro, you can run vmware disks with vboxOSE
[20:14] <dpyro> otherwise i get along with dropbox but that's an unnecessary duplication of space
[20:14] <dpyro> vbox-ose?
[20:15] <GridCube> virtualbox-ose, its the manager for vboxes
[20:22] <rolesp> a good two pane file manager for xubuntu?
[20:33] <koegs> spacefm
[20:35] <GridCube> mc
[20:35] <GridCube> :P
[20:36] <knome> guys...
[20:38] <GridCube> yes
[20:39] <koegs> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spacefm/files/
[20:40] <knome> koegs, suggesting things that aren't in the repositories is generally not useful
[20:41] <knome> besides, it is alpha
[20:43] <GridCube> rolesp, if graphical is more your cup of tea, then emelFM2
[20:43] <GridCube> !info emelFM2
[20:43] <GridCube> its not "pretty" but does the work
[20:44] <GridCube> :P i like to use mc in any case, it feels more hackerly
[20:45] <GridCube> and you can use it when your computer wont go into graphical mode and still feel safe if youhave to delete or move some files, not having to remember and probably typo something that you might regret
[20:45] <knome> nah
[20:45] <knome> better to take backups
[20:45] <knome> even better is not to make mistakes
[20:46] <hydester> if you pipe a lot then i'm guessing mc would be very limiting
[20:46] <GridCube> yes
[20:46] <rolesp> I think mc is good, it was my favorite in dos, until norton commander was born
[20:47] <GridCube> rolesp, being that mc born out of nc, i dont see how thats possible
[20:47] <knome> ...offtopic?
[20:47] <Unit193> Netcat?
[20:47] <hydester> i think he just said it backwards
[20:48] <hydester> nothing beats a find | xargs sequence... :)
[20:49] <SATop> not in the repo's but there is a ppa http://code.google.com/p/sunflower-fm/
[20:49] <rolesp> gridcube after dos norton commander come a windows version
[20:49] <knome> ... #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:50] <rolesp> very similar to total commander
[20:51] <GridCube> yes we shoul take this to ot
[20:51] <rolesp> apears that double commander is not in the repositories
[20:52] <knome> rolesp, #xubuntu-offtopic if you want to continue that discussion.
[21:57] <rolesp> bbl
[22:15] <manitou> hi is im trying to set my brightness to 75% when i boot ! is it anyone can point me in some directions how ? its acer aspire S3 (must in boot acpi_backlight=vendor so i can regulate it manual )
[22:17] <ThePendulum> I am definitely going to be around more often
[22:20] <GridCube> manitou, try this http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/10/how-to-adjust-monitor-brightness-from.html
[22:20] <ThePendulum> This really, really, really amazing person transacted a decent amount of money to my PayPal account for helping him out. I don't know if that person is in this channel, but if you are, may I thank you a lot. It really wasn't nessecary!
[22:20] <manitou> he nice ThePendulum
[22:21] <ThePendulum> If only I remembered his nickname
[22:23] <manitou> GridCube: not working :(
[22:23] <GridCube> :(
[22:24] <ThePendulum> manitou: I just came in, what's the issue?
[22:24] <ThePendulum> (Don't worry, I still do free support)
[22:24] <manitou> m trying to set my brightness to 75% when i boot ! is it anyone can point me in some directions how ? its acer aspire S3 (must in boot acpi_backlight=vendor so i can regulate it manual )
[22:24] <manitou> hehehe
[22:24] <ThePendulum> hmm
[22:25] <ThePendulum> I haven't been able to set the display brightness on this Asus laptop at all
[22:25] <ThePendulum> Interesting matter
[22:25] <GridCube> i used a thing the other day that worked, but was on my laptop and now i cant remember
[22:25] <GridCube> XD
[22:25] <manitou> tru parametar in grub acpi_backlight=vendor
[22:26]  * GridCube is not being very useful
[22:26] <ThePendulum> All I can think of, is wearing stylish Ray-Bans after boot
[22:26] <manitou> ThePendulum: yea
[22:26]  * ThePendulum isn't as supportive as I was yesterday either
[22:26] <manitou> :)
[22:26] <GridCube> manishe, http://www.ubuntuka.com/ubuntu-command-line-tricks-set-1/
[22:27] <GridCube> maybe?
[22:27] <ThePendulum> I'm in a hotel, and we planned to stay until Friday. However, it's so boring that we will probably go home tomorrow
[22:27] <GridCube> but i dont have a /proc/acpi/video :P
[22:27] <GridCube> so you might need to create them=
[22:27] <GridCube> dunno
[22:27] <manitou> i will try GridCube
[22:30] <GridCube> found it :D
[22:30] <GridCube> its xgamma -gamma 0.75
[22:30] <GridCube> :P
[22:30] <GridCube> that should set your brightness to 75%
[22:31] <pyge> when will be the update to kernel 3.3? i heard it will improve my battery and temperature...
[22:31] <GridCube> ofcourse thats a command you need to run from x, so you can add it to your start applications
[22:34] <manitou> and what is default gamma ?
[22:34] <manitou> i is it 1
[22:35] <GridCube> yes its 1
[22:35] <manitou> ok i try to play with it :)
[22:46] <manitou> and i have problems with Atheros AR9485 disconect from ap , and cannot restart device ? i tryed nohwcrypt=1 no help :(
[22:47] <manitou> i just change atheros with intel 5100 and using wicd and works
[23:08] <Barridus> how can i get rid of the keyring prompts?  (i think it's gnome keyring but i'm not sure)
[23:09] <GridCube> yes
[23:09] <GridCube> its the gnome keyring
[23:09] <GridCube> when do you get it?
[23:10] <Barridus> hmm, i think only when i save a password or use a saved password in chromium-browser
[23:11] <GridCube> you autologin?
[23:11] <GridCube> or you type your password to log in?
[23:12] <GridCube> if you type your password then you can simply delete the contents on ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ and it should start working as it should again
[23:15] <Barridus> yeah i log in with password
[23:15] <Barridus> and i deleted the whole keyring folder yesterday, i just got the prompt a few mins before i asked today
[23:16] <GridCube> barridus then it should be the last time
[23:16] <Barridus> hmmm
[23:16] <Barridus> so i don't need to keep re-deleting it?
[23:17] <GridCube> no
[23:17] <GridCube> it should just ask you once
[23:17] <manitou> how i can control how long timeout disable touchpad while typing ? its about 3 sec its too long ! 1 will be fine
[23:18] <GridCube> !synaptics | manitou
[23:20] <GridCube> manitou, http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-disable-the-touchpad-while-you-are-typing/
[23:21] <manitou> GridCube: syndaemon is it ! thx
[23:21] <GridCube> :D
[23:22] <dwangoAC> Greetings!  I'm working with Xubuntu 12.04 trying to use OSS4 and I've encountered https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oss4/+bug/969733; there's a patch but I am unsure where to start looking as to how to use it.  Any pointers?
[23:23] <dwangoAC> Thanks, ubottu!
[23:23] <dwangoAC> Long and the short of it, there's a patch at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oss4/+bug/969733/+attachment/3085110/+files/dkmspatch.txt but I do not know if I need to grab the raw source of oss4-dkms and apply it then build from scratch or what...
[23:29] <dwangoAC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff looks like it might be the right answer, trying now
[23:40] <Barridus> GridCube, sorry late reply.  ok then let's hope it's gone for good XD
[23:41] <Barridus> thanks for the response