[01:00] <Sarvatt> so much breakage in mesa master the past few days, been trying to update it for 2 days now and  now r600 isn't building right
[01:02] <Sarvatt> -   dri2_set_tex_buffer2(pDRICtx, target, GLX_TEXTURE_FORMAT_RGBA_EXT, dPriv);
[01:02] <Sarvatt> +   dri2_set_tex_buffer2(pDRICtx, target, __DRI_TEXTURE_FORMAT_RGBA, dPriv);
[01:02] <Sarvatt> +#define __DRI_TEXTURE_FORMAT_RGBA        0x20DA
[01:02] <Sarvatt> ...
[01:02] <Sarvatt> oh whoops thought i read __DRM_TEXTURE_FORMAT_RGBA there
[01:03] <Sarvatt> ah i did, pasted the wrong thing
[01:03] <Sarvatt> -        r600SetTexBuffer2(pDRICtx, target, GLX_TEXTURE_FORMAT_RGBA_EXT, dPriv);
[01:03] <Sarvatt> +        r600SetTexBuffer2(pDRICtx, target, __DRM_TEXTURE_FORMAT_RGBA, dPriv);
[03:18] <bjsnider> i've got a dependent package issue here
[03:18] <bjsnider> it's a philosophical thing
[03:20] <bjsnider> if you want to use vdpau with va-api, you need a package called vdpau-video. that package links to the vaapi package, but not the other way around.
[03:21] <bjsnider> i'm thinking i should add vdpau-video as a dependent package of libva
[03:22] <bjsnider> even though there are other ways to use libva than vdpau. it can also be used with dxva
[03:22] <bjsnider> the developer however in his debian scripts did not do so
[03:32] <bryceh> bjsnider, what's the name of the developer?
[03:32] <bjsnider> gwenole beauchesne
[03:32] <bjsnider> frenchy
[03:34] <bryceh> don't know him
[03:34] <bryceh> bjsnider, I would recommend running this by jcristau first since he's well clued on the debian packaging of these things
[03:35] <bjsnider> right now, to get vlc with va-api you need to install vlc from my ppa
[03:35] <bjsnider> that pulls in a new version of ffmpeg, which pulls in libva
[03:35] <bjsnider> then you have to manually grab vdpau-video
[03:36] <bjsnider> that's the step that bugs me
[03:36] <RAOF> So libva is a wrapper around video-decode-acceleration APIs?
[03:36] <bjsnider> libva is the package name of va-api
[03:36] <bjsnider> i'm sort of using them interchangeably here
[03:37] <bjsnider> vdpau-video is the vdpau side of va-api
[03:37] <bjsnider> and in fact installs a driver file into /usr/lib/libva
[03:37] <bjsnider> i mean how much more linked together than can that get?
[03:38] <RAOF> Ah.  So vdpau-video is a shim that implements VA-API over VDPAU?
[03:38] <bjsnider> yes, i guess so
[03:39] <bjsnider> so in my view, instaling libva should automatically pull in vdpau-video
[03:39] <RAOF> For final bonus points: does libva dlopen VA-API backends?
[03:40] <bjsnider> i think so. there are 3 backends
[03:41] <bjsnider> i'm not a programmer per se, so i'm not sure of what it's doing exactly, but all the vdpau-video package does is installs the vdpau driver
[03:41] <bjsnider> so libva is doing all the rest of the work
[03:41] <RAOF> So, what you'd like to see happen is for the libva binary package to Recommend: vdpau-video?
[03:41] <bjsnider> they should really be in the same package
[03:42] <bjsnider> no, not recommend, to actually depend on it
[03:42] <RAOF> Does vdpau-video have any other depends?
[03:42] <RAOF> It sounds to me like Recommends: is the right relationship - “will be found together in all but unusual circumstances”
[03:43] <bjsnider> it has no other explicit depends int he control file, only shlibs
[03:43] <bjsnider> givent he build-depends it is going to probably depend on libvdpau
[03:44] <bjsnider> if it's a recommends, then the user would still have to manually install it right?
[03:44] <RAOF> No; Ubuntu & Debian both install recommends by default.
[03:45] <bjsnider> waldo bastian is listed as the maintainer for this thing
[03:45] <bjsnider> maybe it's his fault
[03:45] <RAOF> Is there a bug open?
[03:45] <bjsnider> gwenole is in fact not mentioned in the control file
[03:45] <bryceh> oh yeah
[03:46] <bryceh> this library was one that came out with poulsbo
[03:46] <bryceh> waldo probably would be the right contact for it
[03:46] <RAOF> Everyone's favourite intel driver :)
[03:47] <bjsnider> the gma4500 can do hardware accel too
[03:47] <bryceh> I would get poulsbo drops with libva included, but libva wasn't released at that point so we had to delete it out.  fun times
[03:47] <bjsnider> this works for nvidia cards too
[03:48] <bjsnider> witht he blob
[03:48] <bryceh> RAOF, btw did we ever sort out who has responsibility for nouveau-firmware?
[03:49] <superm1> bjsnider, is libva on it's way into debian anytime soon?
[03:50] <RAOF> bryceh: I don't recall sorting that out, no.
[03:55] <bryceh> ahem
[03:55] <bryceh> uploaded
[03:55] <bjsnider> superm1, i don't know if it's in there now. but i just built all of it and tested vlc and hardware accel works fine here. it would be nice to get it into lucid
[03:56] <bjsnider> i can ask waldo about this, assuming he responds to the email i just sent him
[03:56] <superm1> bjsnider, what state are the packages in? if it's gonna take too long to get them in debian, we can try to fast track them into ubuntu before the New package deadline
[03:56] <bjsnider> i didn't have to make any change to either package to get them to build
[03:56] <superm1> i'm still a bit mixed up with how va-api and vdpau relate though
[03:56] <bjsnider> they build -dev packages and -dbg packages too
[03:57] <superm1> va-api can use a vdpau backend, but not vice versa?
[03:57] <superm1> so projects like ffmpeg that have support for vdpau already don't benefit at all
[03:57] <bjsnider> va-api can use vdpau, dxva, which is the ati thing, or one other...
[03:57] <superm1> xvba is the ati thing
[03:57] <bryceh> mm standards
[03:57] <bjsnider> oh, right
[03:58] <bjsnider> libva's description is "VA API extensions for VDPAU and XvBA backends"
[03:59] <bjsnider> there is also an xvba-video package
[03:59] <bjsnider> i haven't built it. i wonder if it would work with fglrx?
[03:59] <superm1> it's supposed to
[04:00] <superm1> the guy developing it announces releases on the ati-beta mailing list all the time
[04:00] <bjsnider> gwenole?
[04:00] <superm1> yeah
[04:01] <bjsnider> is there some rule that says you can't put these things in ubuntu if they're not in debian first?
[04:02] <RAOF> Mainly the rule of -ENOTIME.
[04:02] <superm1> its generally beneficial to both
[04:03] <bjsnider> you can't have them in lucid just for testing before the stable release?
[04:03] <superm1> so it's better to put it in debian and then be able to sync it from there
[04:03] <superm1> then the debian folks are able to step up and help maintain it too
[04:03] <RAOF> That's what I meant be not enough time :)
[04:04] <bjsnider> i wonder what happens if you have both the xvba and vdpau packages installed...
[04:04] <bjsnider> does it try to use both? does it know enough not to use the xvba side on an nvidia system?
[04:04] <bjsnider> does the entire world explode?
[04:05] <superm1> so on the client side, what supports va-api though so far?  VLC?
[04:05] <superm1> anything else?
[04:05] <bryceh> RAOF, weird, when I debdiff the udev nouveau changes, it produces infinite diffage
[04:05] <bjsnider> it's used through ffmpeg, which actually doesn't have to be patched at this point
[04:06] <bjsnider> gwenole has an mplayer patch which i haven't tested because mplayer works well as is
[04:07] <RAOF> superm1: I actually think gstreamer has some va-api support, too.
[04:08] <RAOF> Which would be nifty, because that means that things I actually care about support it.
[04:08] <superm1> interesting
[04:08] <bjsnider> it would be nice to see gstreamer catch up to xine, mplayer, and vlc
[04:08] <bjsnider> and everything else
[04:13] <bjsnider> ugh, the xvba-video package has two separate "latest" tarballs, one for i686 and one for x86_64
[04:14] <bjsnider> oh, the other thing is gnash. there's a patch to enable gnash to use it
[04:14] <bjsnider> va-api that is
[07:09] <virtuald> ås
[07:09] <RAOF> Really?
[07:10] <virtuald> no I'm just kidding
[13:19] <Belthazor> Good afternoon everyone!
[13:19] <Belthazor> at least in Europe
[13:20] <Belthazor> I have a problem: I'd like to install new stable stuff onto my production machine
[13:21] <Belthazor> but the x-org edgers ppa for karmic now tracks mesa 7.8
[13:21] <jcristau> the edgers ppa is everything but stable stuff
[13:21] <Belthazor> which I don't want to use yet
[13:21] <Belthazor> yes, that's why I opted for mesa 7.7
[13:21] <Belthazor> which was released in december
[13:22] <Belthazor> so I checked the x-updates ppa but that has only mesa 7.6.1
[13:22] <Belthazor> which is too old
[13:23] <Belthazor> any plans for upgrading that to 7.7?
[13:23] <Belthazor> or any ideas where I can get that? there's git of course, but I'm lazy
[13:24] <tjaalton> backport mesa from lucid
[13:24] <Belthazor> is there an easy way for that?
[13:24] <tjaalton> grab the source and build
[13:24] <Belthazor> ppa or tutorial?
[13:25] <Belthazor> well, that's pretty much the same as git, I guess
[13:25] <tjaalton> why do you need 7.7?
[13:25] <Belthazor> I have an ATi rv710
[13:25] <Belthazor> that already has 3D
[13:26] <tjaalton> okk
[13:26] <tjaalton> -k
[13:26] <Belthazor> worked nice on a pendrive install when it was in the edgers ppa
[13:26] <jcristau> building the r600 driver from 7.7-branch should take you about 10 minutes
[13:27] <Belthazor> yeah, maybe for an experienced user :)
[13:27] <Belthazor> so I assume there are no debs for this
[13:28] <jcristau> there are.  it's called lucid.
[13:28] <Belthazor> that's true, but it was still not considered stable last I checked
[13:29] <Belthazor> my plan is to have karmic with mesa 7.7 and 2.6.32 and .33 when it will be stable
[13:29] <Belthazor> until lucid comes
[13:30] <Belthazor> can't I just add an official repo for lucid which has mesa?
[13:32] <Belthazor> X updates says: "This PPA is for stable upstream releases of X.org components."
[13:33] <Belthazor> that's why I asked if there were plans to upgrade it to mesa 7.7
[13:33] <Belthazor> since the edgers for karmic now has 7.8
[13:35] <tjaalton> lucid won't have .33
[13:35] <tjaalton> we are concentrating on lucid, not karmic
[13:35] <tjaalton> and I doubt there are plans to update that ppa
[13:35] <tjaalton> for karmic
[13:39] <Belthazor> I know that lucid will have .32, but .33 has irq support for my card and hopefully .34 will bring power management
[13:40] <Belthazor> I doubt these will be backported, so until lucid+1 I guess I'll have to live with an "unofficial" kernel
[13:41] <Belthazor> "and I doubt there are plans to update that ppa" -- that's unfortunate
[14:33] <Sarvatt> bryceh: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=4f0f871730b76730ca58209181d16725b0c40184
[14:33] <Sarvatt> \o/
[14:35] <tjaalton> and it works?
[14:35] <Sarvatt> i just woke up and saw it and the bug was closed, haven't built it yet
[14:35] <tjaalton> was that the blocker for 2.10?
[14:36] <Sarvatt> yup
[14:39] <tjaalton> ok, nice
[14:45] <tseliot> ah, right the Execbuf bug. So I can haz 2.10 now plz :-P ?
[15:24] <tseliot> superm1: I pushed my changes to the git repository yesterday
[15:24] <superm1> cool.  hopefully we'll see a build that can use them soon too now :)
[15:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: I added a provides abi 5 in the fglrx package in lucid
[15:25]  * tseliot nods
[15:25] <tjaalton> tseliot: thanks
[15:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: thanks for reporting the problem. I thought it had that already
[15:32] <tjaalton> tseliot: it used to, but got dropped for some reason
[15:32] <tseliot> aah, ok
[16:07] <Sarvatt> one pass of "CAIRO_TEST_TARGET=xlib ./cairo-perf-trace cairo-traces/benchmark/*" stable with the libdrm update, looks promising because this could crash it easy yesterday
[17:30] <Sarvatt> ugh.. maybe I should start updaing ia32-libs on xorg-edgers as well, i've come across *so many* bug reports from people using edgers on x64 and not realizing wine uses the 32 bit libs so its using the distro mesa versions
[17:37] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/459961 is fixed whenever mesa is updated. dont know if you want to add it to the changelog? already fixed in the ubuntu git branch with the 7.7-3 merge
[17:39] <Sarvatt> changed it to fix commited, not sure about karmic
[17:40] <jcristau> libv: oh, so it's not just me who has no idea how x.org works, and who does what?
[17:47] <libv> jcristau: :)))
[17:47] <libv> i run the devroom
[17:47] <libv> and i do so without help from the foundation
[17:48] <jcristau> and you asked for help?
[17:48] <libv> the fosdem folk do most for me, the extra expense (about 25EUR or so per day of devroom) is not worth the hassle
[17:48] <libv> i did in the past
[17:48] <jcristau> ok
[17:49] <libv> first year i got 500usd, 2nd year i dropped the ball (RandR1.2 and stuff, remember?), third year i asked for 500EUR so we could have a local X.org foundation board member pick up the tab at the mirabelle (as this would be a "thank you" for everyone, and it would otherwise not cost a thing)
[17:49] <libv> daniels complained about these 500EURs
[17:49] <libv> while he had just spent a huge pile of money on cambridge
[17:50] <libv> then i decided: i do not need them, and i can refer people who want travel sponsorship to the board directly
[17:50] <jcristau> okay
[17:51] <libv> so fosdem has basically been free. last year the extra expenses were shared between suse (printing and nametags) and me (water/random things needed for the devroom)
[17:51] <libv> in any case, i wonder who got paid to go where
[17:51] <libv> and how this is spread between different individuals and companies
[17:52] <libv> i think the result will be that this money is used in a surprisingly limited fashion
[17:52] <jcristau> yeah it would be nice to have some reports of what goes on to members@ from time to time
[17:53] <libv> i personally have never received money from the foundation for my own expenses, only once did i ask for it, and later on there were issues, and i got like half my trainticket repaid by some other stash somewhere
[17:54] <libv> gusarov was referred to the board when he asked me for support for travel to fosdem, he got some money, this is the only fact i have about what the board did in the last year
[17:55] <libv> hehe
[17:55] <libv> David Nicol his answer
[18:03] <bryceh> Sarvatt, excellent.  I'd asked yingying about that yesterday, so this is good news :-)
[18:03] <bryceh> Sarvatt, now I hope there aren't other bugs we're going to hit moving to 2.10?
[18:04] <jcristau> bryceh: hah.  wishful thinking.
[18:04] <Sarvatt> all those people using UMS because KMS doesn't work right for them will be crying :)
[18:06] <Sarvatt> i would say we should update intel-gpu-tools to a newer version that has intel_reg_dump buuuut
[18:07] <Sarvatt> reading /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_regs hangs the system on 2.6.32 :)
[18:07] <jcristau> get anholt to release a tarball for it?
[18:08] <jcristau> libv: hah.  this guy sounds like a clown.
[18:10] <libv> jcristau: he is, and i now love him for it
[18:10] <libv> jcristau: with this one sentence, he turned these elections into a complete farce
[18:11]  * jcristau will hold his vote for a little longer.
[18:11] <libv> yup :)
[18:11] <libv> actually, these elections should be declared invalid
[18:20] <libv> jcristau: don't you find it kind of strange that there are mostly just .us citizens on the board?
[19:19] <Sarvatt> Duke`: if you didn't see the hang should be fixed with the latest libdrm in edgers, no need to rebuild that one :)
[19:19] <Duke`> Hi
[19:19] <Sarvatt> heyo
[19:19] <Duke`> well, I haven't seen it for some days
[19:19] <Duke`> but I had it sometimes
[19:19] <Duke`> less frequently
[19:20] <Duke`> so I don't know if there is a (partial) fix, or if my usage makes it crash less often
[19:21] <Sarvatt> do you have limited arb_fragment_shader support enabled in driconf? because i think i found another bug with that where it can cause an invalid batchbuffer hang just like the other one
[19:21] <Sarvatt> but that might have also been my pixman 17.3 snapshot causing it I think
[19:23] <Duke`> no, it's disabled
[19:25] <Sarvatt> how much uptime did you have at the most lately? longest i went without a hang was 3 days shortest was 110 seconds
[19:26] <Duke`> I could reach a full day. I power off my laptop before going to bed (sleep is hardware-broken)
[19:26] <Sarvatt> oops 117 seconds, [  117.964249] [drm:i915_gem_execbuffer] *ERROR* Execbuf while wedged
[19:27] <Duke`> shortest for me was the time to reboot + to reopen the webpage which hanged me + scrolling 3 seconds :)
[19:27] <Sarvatt> that was boot, idle 1.5 minutes then open gnome-terminal :D
[19:37] <Duke`>     intel: Handle resetting of input params after EINTR during SET_TILING
[19:37] <Duke`> that should fix it, right?
[19:42] <Sarvatt> yeah
[19:53] <Sarvatt> and the commit before it fixes a similar thing people on <=915 were getting with failure to install fence errors in dmesg
[20:18] <LLStarks> bryceh, is there anyone to set xrand full aspect as default?
[20:18] <bryceh> huh?
[20:18] <bryceh> LLStarks, dunno
[20:19] <LLStarks> this: xrandr --output LVDS1 --set "scaling mode" "Full  aspect"
[20:19] <LLStarks> can we make it default?
[20:19] <LLStarks> i hate having to set it upon bootup
[20:19] <bryceh> I haven't had to set that up myself
[20:20] <LLStarks> i don't like how "full" is the default.
[20:20] <LLStarks> stretches 4:3 games too much
[20:21] <bryceh> it'd be best to convince upstream to change the default
[20:21] <bryceh> and then have me pull a patch from them
[20:21] <LLStarks> is there an x freeze i need to consider?
[20:22] <bryceh> for features, alpha-3 is the target
[20:22] <jbarnes> LLStarks: it was the default where supported for the X driver
[20:23] <jbarnes> LLStarks: for the kernel I'm not sure why it changed... post a patch and I'll ack it
[21:19] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:44] <Q-FUNK> are we gonna rebase our X to match Debian's 7.4.2  on time for Lucid?
[21:45] <Q-FUNK> ööö.. 1.7.4
[22:30] <Sarvatt> the stable 1.7 branch is mostly just fixes, i dont think it counts for the feature freeze? its already queued up in git anyway
[22:30] <Q-FUNK> fixes are always welcome
[22:30] <Sarvatt> just hasnt been uploaded yet
[22:31] <Q-FUNK> ah, ok
[22:31] <Q-FUNK> I'm just a bit aparanoid about ensuring that -geode is still remotely usable on Lucid.
[22:33] <Sarvatt> nothing between <IP_ADDRESS>2 and 1.7.4 affects that anyway so no worries :D
[22:33] <Sarvatt> (on the xserver front)
[22:33] <Q-FUNK> well, there's already regressions when building the same geode source against 1.7, compared to 1.6, so I'm already worried.
[22:40] <herman_> Sarvatt,
[22:41] <Sarvatt> ..kay
[22:42] <herman_> hey, my ubuntu 9.10 is freezing sometimes, and stop all the activities and a i have to restart the notebook directly from the button on/off
[22:42] <herman_> someone passed for the same problem?
[23:04] <joumetal> There is radeon kms bugs in lucid like bug #507148. Is following backtrace useful?
[23:04] <joumetal> http://pastebin.com/m1055955
[23:06] <joumetal> it's custom kernel with radeon module unloaded and reloaded with modeset=1.
[23:27] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Hm.  System-wide nouveau_dri.so is not the problem; someone's obviously broken GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap for nv40 in mesa git.


[12:13] <shadeslayer> hrw: ping
[12:13] <hrw> shadeslayer: pong
[12:13] <shadeslayer> hey!
[12:14] <shadeslayer> So, I was wondering, I got my kernel to mount the ubuntu AC100 rootfs and start X
[12:14] <shadeslayer> ( Nexus 10 )
[12:14] <shadeslayer> however the screen is completely black
[12:15] <shadeslayer> it loads the fbdev driver, but lightdm complains about not being able to use VT7, ogra_ suggested something might be missing in my kernel, I thought you might know
[12:15] <shadeslayer> I've twiddled with a few options, but none of them seem to work
[12:15] <hrw> which kernel you took?
[12:15] <hrw> I would suggest android one
[12:17] <shadeslayer> hrw: that's the one I'm using
[12:17] <shadeslayer> or well, the CM10.1 branch
[12:17] <hrw> cool
[12:17] <hrw> enabled text consoles etc?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> uh, fbcon doesn't work
[12:18] <shadeslayer> if I enable fbcon, it doesn't even boot from what I can tell
[12:19] <shadeslayer> the only way I know it boots is because the screen turns off and turns on when X tries to start and adb comes up from inside the ubuntu rootfs
[12:19] <shadeslayer> and ofcourse I can access X/dmesg logs
[12:19] <hrw> pastebinit both please
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ack, give me 20 minutes
[12:21] <shadeslayer> I even tried out the phablet-10.1 kernel
[12:21] <shadeslayer> no go on that one as well
[12:35] <shadeslayer> hrw: Xorg log : http://paste.kde.org/734324
[12:36] <shadeslayer> hrw: dmesg http://paste.kde.org/734330
[12:37] <hrw> each time I see 'Manta' (which is nexus10 codename) I laugh.
[12:38] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:38] <hrw> Manta is Polish vendor for cheap electronics
[12:38] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:38] <shadeslayer> The Nexus 10 is anything but cheap
[12:39] <hrw> [    7.013493] s3c-fb exynos5-fb.1: failed to find bootloader framebuffer
[12:39] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[12:39] <shadeslayer> I've disabled that
[12:39] <hrw> so you do not have framebuffer at all
[12:39] <hrw> that's why no screen
[12:40] <shadeslayer> err ... /dev/fb0 does exist
[12:40] <shadeslayer> what I've disabled is s3c2410-wdt.fb=0x600000
[12:40] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[12:40] <shadeslayer> which basically points to a location where the boot image is stored
[12:41] <hrw> right. X11 finds framebuffer
[12:41] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:41] <hrw> shadeslayer: ubuntu touch image does not work?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> that one does
[12:41] <shadeslayer> however I want to switch containers
[12:41] <shadeslayer> infact, I don't want the android bits at the moment
[12:41] <hrw> so why not take ubuntu touch kernel and change config only with what you need?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> hrw: uh, tried that as well
[12:42] <shadeslayer> the phablet 10.1 branch, didn't work
[12:42] <hrw> changed too much?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> can give you logs with that as well
[12:43] <shadeslayer> don't think so
[12:43] <hrw> shadeslayer: can you build and boot ubuntu touch kernel?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> sure, give me a couple of seconds
[12:43] <hrw> I do not like vendor kernels...
[12:44] <hrw> chromebook one can for example boot without keyboard
[12:44] <shadeslayer> hrw: is the one from the phablet 10.1 branch fine with you?
[12:44] <hrw> shadeslayer: I do not have any nexus device free to experiment with ubuntu
[12:45] <hrw> shadeslayer: my nexus4 (mako) is my phone and nexus 7 (grouper) my main tablet
[12:46] <shadeslayer> I have to go out for a bit, be back in an hour
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[12:48] <shadeslayer> hrw: http://paste.kde.org/734348 dmesg with phablet 10.1 kernel
[12:48] <shadeslayer> hrw: Xorg log http://paste.kde.org/734354
[12:49] <hrw> shadeslayer: and no screen still?
[12:50] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:50] <hrw> shadeslayer: discuss maybe with ubuntu touch kernel guys - they will know more
[12:50] <shadeslayer> I don't even know where to start because I don't really know what's going wrong :P
[12:50] <shadeslayer> Xorg log seems fine to me
[12:51] <shadeslayer> hrw: who would that be?
[12:51] <hrw> no idea
[12:51] <shadeslayer> heh okay :)
[12:51] <hrw> shadeslayer: #ubuntu-touch or #ubuntu-phone I would go
[12:51] <shadeslayer> ack
[12:51] <hrw> shadeslayer: ask rsalveti as he is from Ubuntu Touch team
[12:52] <shadeslayer> already talked to him, he suggested trying the modesetting driver
[12:52] <shadeslayer> that didn't work as well, there were some setgid errors with that driver
[12:53] <shadeslayer> hrw: http://paste.kde.org/734366/
[12:53] <shadeslayer> last couple of lines of that log
[12:53] <hrw> show me kernel config
[12:54] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/734372
[12:54] <shadeslayer> I only changed CONFIG_VT and appended root=/dev/mmcpblk0p9
[12:55] <shadeslayer> oh and ofcourse, disabled the watchdog timer
[12:55] <shadeslayer> s3c2410-wdt.tmr_atboot=0 < that
[12:55] <hrw> cant help ;(
[12:56] <shadeslayer> :(
[12:56] <shadeslayer> rsalveti: ^^ Any other ideas? I'm completely stuck here
[12:56] <shadeslayer> maybe I should make my own tar with the armsoc driver and the mali opengles lib from the chromebook
[12:57] <shadeslayer> though I doubt it'll solve these issues
[12:57] <shadeslayer> hrw: oh and /dev/console exists as well
[12:59] <shadeslayer> hrw: a bit of googling gave me http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/06/%23ubuntu-arm.html
[12:59] <shadeslayer> so enabling CONFIG_VT_HW_CONSOLE_BINDING to check if that makes it work
[13:00] <shadeslayer> hmm nope
[13:05]  * shadeslayer looks at lightdm code
[13:06] <shadeslayer> @_@
[13:42] <shadeslayer> hrw: btw #ubuntu-phone is invite only xD
[13:43] <hrw> ah
[13:43] <hrw> was open
[13:44] <shadeslayer> hrw: so, you didn't get this VT_ACTIVATE issue on the chromebook? and fbcon just worked?
[13:45] <hrw> shadeslayer: I have both text console and X11
[13:45] <shadeslayer> must be fun
[13:45] <shadeslayer> I can't get either to work :/
[13:45] <hrw> hm. but recent system restarts x11 when I switch to vt ;(
[13:45] <shadeslayer> do you have a zImage that I can use from the chromebook?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> just to check if that will work
[13:46] <hrw> shadeslayer: apt-get install linux-chromebook
[13:46] <shadeslayer> I'm on x86 :P
[13:47] <hrw> shadeslayer: apt-get install linux-chromebook:armhf
[13:47] <hrw> and -d
[13:47] <shadeslayer> will download deb from http://pad.lv/u/linux-chromebook
[13:47] <shadeslayer> and try again
[13:47] <shadeslayer> nope E: Unable to locate package linux-chromebook
[13:48] <shadeslayer> probbaly because I don't have ports.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:52] <shadeslayer> nope, still nothing
[16:37]  * satellit_TS Testing Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on trimslice (arm)
[17:58] <debdeb> hi
[17:59] <debdeb> am i right here for ubuntu on nexus7?


[00:43] <yax51> ok s oI got a usb tuner for my computer, however when I plug it in, it doesn't even detect that there is anything there....
[00:44] <yax51> I suspect I may need drivers for it though..
[00:56] <yax51> does anyone know where I can find such drivers (if they even exist)? it's a ub435-q tv tuner
[09:19] <tdn> How do I change system language (menus and the like) to Danish? I would really like to do it from command line if possible. And for all users.
[09:30] <M0hi> tdn: I think setlocale will do
[09:30] <M0hi> !setlocale
[09:30] <ubot2`> Factoid 'setlocale' not found
[09:30] <M0hi> ah!
[09:35] <tdn> Is that a program I need to install?
[09:48] <tdn> M0hi, ?
[09:49] <Sidewinder1> M0hi left, I believe.
[09:49] <tdn> Ok.
[11:53] <M0hi> tdn: you got the solution?
[12:02] <tdn> Yeah. By this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11223604#post11223604
[12:06] <M0hi> tdn: mark that as solved. Lemme poke raja to be active here too :D
[12:06] <tdn> M0hi, it is marked solved?
[12:07] <M0hi> Oh yeah! sorry My bad
[13:05] <r4y> Is there another command that can replace this command?, or a modification to this command? I want it so that username doesn't have to be stated as my username to make it easier for a tutorial
[13:06] <r4y> sudo find ~/Desktop/roms -exec chown username.username \{} \;
[13:08] <geirha> -exec chown "$USER:" {} +
[13:08] <geirha> On second thought, that's dangerous.
[13:09] <geirha> do  sudo chown -R "$USER:" ~/Desktop/roms  instead
[13:09] <geirha> No find.
[13:11] <r4y> Thank you for the info
[13:28] <r4y> That worked. Thank you. I have another question.
[13:29] <r4y> Why use this command then this command after it:
[13:29] <r4y> find ~/Desktop/roms/ -type f -exec chmod 644 \{} \;
[13:29] <r4y> find ~/Desktop/roms/ -type d -exec chmod 755 \{} \;
[13:30] <geirha> You need execute permission on directories to be able to access them. On files, you only want execute bit if it's meant to be executable.
[13:31] <r4y> The files end up being marked with X's and locks, so I use these 3 commands to fix them
[13:32] <geirha> find ~/Desktop/roms \( -type f -o -type d \) -exec chmod u+rwX,go+rX {} +
[13:32] <geirha> Hm. That's odd
[13:33] <geirha> that last find will just add bits (if missing), so it won't remove the execute bit on a file that is meant to be executable.
[13:33] <r4y> torrentzip from sourceforge messes them up, so I left it as an option to use the source version from sourceforge with this a solution. The other torrentzip is not on sourceforge which doen't have this poblem
[13:34] <r4y> executable. You mean marked as executable?, I will have to look.
[13:36] <geirha> Actually, you could lose the find there too.  chmod -R u+rwX,go+rX ~/Desktop/roms
[13:36] <r4y> this command fixed the X's so access permissions are fixed:
[13:36] <r4y> find ~/Desktop/roms/ -type f -exec chmod 644 \{} \;
[13:36] <r4y> the other didn't seem to do anything
[13:37] <r4y> I meant this command didn't seem to do anything:
[13:37] <r4y> find ~/Desktop/roms/ -type d -exec chmod 755 \{} \;
[13:41] <r4y> chmod -R u+rwX,go+rX ~/Desktop/roms worked for access permissions as well as find ~/Desktop/roms/ -type f -exec chmod 644 \{} \;
[13:41] <r4y> Does this command do anything?:
[13:41] <r4y> find ~/Desktop/roms/ -type d -exec chmod 755 \{} \;
[13:43] <r4y> I mean why should I even have it in my tutorial?, Or be using that command?
[13:44] <r4y> I should go study with google for a sec
[13:48] <r4y> I see, like you were trying to tell me:   Files = 644  and  Directories = 755
[13:49] <r4y> http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?t=121470
[13:51] <r4y> OK, so then the second command of the 2 isn't needed in my case because only the files need their permissions changed and not the folder holding it. Well at least that is what I have been perceiving over the past with this problem
[13:51] <r4y> thank you for the help
[13:53] <r4y> I will have to mess around with the 3rd command I have been asking about when dealing with torrentzip, just in case I am wrong here. TY and bye
[14:51] <haqking> Greeting everyone ;-)
[18:04] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, my internet dies and dies and dies
[20:16] <LearnUbuntu> What is the new path for /etc/gdm/custom in 11.04?
[20:22] <geirha> /etc/gdm/custom.conf according to http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/2.32/configuration.html.en#daemonconfig
[20:23] <LearnUbuntu> geirha, true, but i do not find the file in 11.04 there is /etc/gdm/ [but no custom.conf]
[20:41] <geirha> LearnUbuntu: Well, I assume it'll be used if you create it
[20:41] <LearnUbuntu> solved thanks geirha
[20:48] <LearnUbuntu> How can i tell Ubuntu via terminal do not turn off my and auto logout or do not enable screen savers all the time, keep it as it is.
[20:53] <LearnUbuntu> I am from my another laptop connected to Ubuntu 11.04 via SSH. How can i from terminal open the VNC ? So that i can login.
[21:25] <Antonjo> A little piece of advice by you experts.
[21:25] <Antonjo> In my insane efforts to get my driver working I keep on upgrading kernel.
[21:25] <Antonjo> Now I get to 3.0.4. With lubuntu and no apps opened I use 63 mega out of 211.
[21:25] <Antonjo> In any case everything seems smooth. Do you advise to downgrade?
[21:32] <holstein> Antonjo: ?
[21:32] <holstein> wifi? graphics?
[21:33] <holstein> i personally wouldnt feel unsafe running an older version of the linux kernel, unless theres a known vulnerability you are concerned about
[21:38] <Antonjo> wifi is ok
[21:38] <Antonjo> graphics also
[21:39] <holstein> Antonjo: of which driver do you speak?
[21:40] <Antonjo> i was installing a wifi stick
[21:40] <holstein> Antonjo: im unclear on your question
[21:40] <holstein> what are you inquiring about downgrading?
[21:40] <holstein> the kernel?
[21:40] <Antonjo> ok  i'll tell better
[21:41] <Antonjo> the stick is a us robotics, and they all claim to use it with ndiswrapper
[21:42] <Antonjo> i was able to get ndiswrapper + originale inf working but
[21:42] <Antonjo> after some minutes the system froze
[21:43] <Antonjo> by chance i used a live Puppy and I discovered that it could use my stick out of the box
[21:43] <Antonjo> but without original inf
[21:43] <Antonjo> just simple prism driver
[21:43] <Antonjo> in fact i did the same via sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[21:44] <Antonjo> and everything is going smooth
[21:44] <Antonjo> the only thing is that since many claims some bugs in the kernel
[21:44] <Antonjo> i upgraded
[21:44] <Antonjo> from ....38 to ...39
[21:45] <Antonjo> and so on
[21:45] <Antonjo> just before discovering the prism solution
[21:45] <Antonjo> p54usb
[21:46] <Antonjo> now I find myself with this kernel 3.0.4
[21:46] <Antonjo> WHAT do you think of it?
[21:46] <Antonjo> do I keep it ?
[21:46] <holstein> no reason *not* to keep it
[21:47] <holstein> unless its particularly breaking some funcionality for you
[21:47] <Antonjo> no, but  you know some say it is unsuppoted
[21:47] <holstein> some?
[21:47] <holstein> i mean, it either works or it dont
[21:47] <holstein> if its working, its working
[21:48] <holstein> i wouldnt sweat it... unless it stops working
[21:48] <Antonjo> other say too much memory
[21:48] <Antonjo> And I am a newbie
[21:48] <holstein> do what makes you feel comfortable
[21:49] <holstein> i would see about the memory usage before getting bent out of shape though
[21:49] <holstein> maybe run top, and monitor for a bit
[21:50] <Antonjo>  63 mega out of 211,  without apps, it is lubuntu
[21:51] <Antonjo> so very fast
[21:51] <Antonjo> also on an old laptop
[21:52] <Antonjo> so thanks holstein
[21:57] <holstein> Antonjo: :)


[08:32] <c_smith> wxl: nice to hear!
[08:32] <c_smith> in the meantime, I'll keep directing people to the page on the LoCo portal


[01:51] <wxl> wtf
[01:51] <wxl> /usr/bin/lubuntu-software-center: line 24: import: command not found
[01:51] <wxl> /usr/bin/lubuntu-software-center: line 28: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[01:51] <wxl> ?
[02:21] <SetiAmon> Hey i have ubuntu 11.10 installed.i remember there was a way to Try lubuntu without reinstalling, what was it again
[02:22] <SetiAmon> basically i want to try out lxde on ubuntu,what do i download.and it will be reversable.
[02:37] <wxl> SetiAmon: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu#Configuration_for_Login_Managers
[02:37] <wxl> after you install lxde
[02:37] <wxl> which you can do in synaptic, aptitude, apt-get etc..
[02:37] <wxl> might check out #lxde
[02:37] <wxl> lubuntu ain't just ubuntu+lxde
[02:39] <SetiAmon> I know
[02:39] <SetiAmon> Wait
[02:39] <SetiAmon> it isn't
[02:39] <wxl> nope
[02:39] <SetiAmon> what is lubuntu then
[02:39] <wxl> ubuntu has a bunch of bullshit on it that lubuntu doesn't :D
[02:40] <wxl> (like unity)
[02:40] <wxl> xubuntu was intended to be a lightweight distribution but it really was more like ubuntu+xfce and thus it was never really lightweight
[02:48] <meway> why is there no version later than 11.04 yet :(
[02:49] <wxl> because you don't know where to look? :D
[02:49] <meway> sudo apt-get install tmw gives me a really really old client
[02:50] <wxl> latest version of tmu seems to be 1.0+git20110505-2
[02:53] <wxl> which, as you can see, is the latest in precise http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&keywords=tmw
[02:53] <wxl> so if you're getting anything less, fix your sources
[02:55] <meway> I must update :(
[02:57] <wxl> why don't you just do the version, meway ?
[02:57] <meway> tmw is horribly broken and old as fuck :) simplest wording I can put it in xD
[02:57] <wxl> apt-get install tmw=1.0+git20110505-2
[02:57] <meway> ah that might help...
[02:57] <wxl> but you must be using the right sources
[02:58] <meway> nope not found
[02:58] <wxl> you running lubuntu 11.04 or 11.10?
[02:58] <meway> how do I change the souces?
[02:58] <meway> 11.04
[02:58] <wxl> ok so assuming you are using the 11.04 sourrces...
[02:59] <wxl> then, yep, old
[02:59] <wxl> you can temporarily add the source
[03:00] <wxl> run an install
[03:00] <wxl> and then remove the source
[03:00] <wxl> you should also probably hold the package
[03:00] <wxl> i have to do the opposite thing.. i.e. use an old package.. because thunderbird isn't supported beyond v3.1.5 for ppc
[03:00] <wxl> and sylpheed/claws piss me off
[03:01] <meway> idk how T.T
[03:01] <wxl> anywho
[03:02] <wxl> go to Preferences > Software Sources > Other Software > Add...
[03:02] <meway> wxl how do I add the source?
[03:02] <wxl> use this line:
[03:02] <meway> where is "software sources" please back up and being with click the big circle in the bottom left corner
[03:02] <meway> xD
[03:03] <wxl> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ oneiric universe
[03:03] <wxl> oh my meway
[03:03] <wxl> so if you've clicked on that then you should see preferences!
[03:03] <meway> yup
[03:03] <wxl> ok keep going then
[03:05] <meway> ?
[03:05] <wxl> um
[03:05] <meway> I see...
[03:06] <wxl> click on software sources
[03:06] <wxl> click on the updates tab
[03:06] <wxl> include the aforementioned line:
[03:06] <wxl> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ oneiric universe
[03:06] <meway> there is none
[03:06] <wxl> hit ok
[03:06] <meway> There is no software sources >.< that is where you lost me ...
[03:06] <wxl> weird
[03:06] <wxl> i thought that was arround in 11.04
[03:06] <wxl> oh well
[03:06] <wxl> terminal time
[03:07] <wxl> or just run
[03:07] <wxl> gksudo leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:07] <wxl> when you have leafpad open, copy/paste that line at the end
[03:07] <wxl> save it
[03:08] <Unit193> Adding oneiric sources in Natty? Not the best idea
[03:08] <wxl> oh for this goofy ass game it ain't a big deal
[03:08] <wxl> :D
[03:09] <Unit193> Please try to keep this family friendly too
[03:09] <meway> wxl I know how to use the terminal
[03:09] <meway> lets go with that xD
[03:10] <wxl> Unit193: yes dear
[03:10] <meway> wxl copy what line where?
[03:10] <wxl> meway: put it in sources.list
[03:10] <meway> anywhere?
[03:11] <wxl> prolly best at the end
[03:11] <meway> and than?
[03:11] <wxl> save it
[03:12] <wxl> sudo apt-get update
[03:12] <wxl> sudo apt-get install tmw
[03:13] <meway> tmw or the git+akjas29823402342 w/e one?
[03:13] <wxl> it should be the most recent and should install that version anyways
[03:13] <wxl> lastly let's get it on hold:
[03:13] <wxl> echo "tmw hold" | dpkg --set-selections
[03:14] <wxl> then remove that line from soures list so oneiric doesn't come back to haunt you any futher
[03:14] <wxl> if/when you upgrade to 11.10, then you should probably take it off hold
[03:15] <wxl> echo "tmw install" | dpkg --set-selections
[03:15] <meway> wxl wait what?>
[03:15] <meway> I am still on sudo apt-get install tmw?
[03:15] <meway> should I do this?
[03:15] <wxl> yes
[03:16] <meway> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[03:16] <wxl> did you update first?
[03:16] <meway> yes
[03:16] <wxl> weird
[03:16] <wxl> try
[03:16] <wxl> apt-get install tmw=1.0+git20110505-2
[03:17] <meway> tmw was not found
[03:17] <meway> btw I do have tmw installed from previous ...
[03:17] <wxl> bizarre
[03:17] <wxl> do you pastebinit?
[03:17] <meway> ?
[03:18] <meway> wxl, how do I uninstall tmw?
[03:18] <wxl> well it's a nice tool but if you could copy/paste your sources.list into pastebin that would be nice
[03:18] <wxl> sudo apt-get remove tmw
[03:18] <wxl> and you can reinstall with
[03:18] <wxl> sudo apt-get install --reinstall tmw
[03:18] <wxl> be back in a few
[03:19] <meway> wxl you want me to paste my source list?
[03:21] <meway> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ oneiric universe is correct?
[03:28] <meway> I get this error on sudo apt-get update
[03:28] <meway> Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates/universe Translation-en
[03:28] <meway> W: Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/oneiric/universe/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[03:32] <laumonier> my pcmanfm freezes sometimes can someone help me to fix this problem?
[03:44] <wxl> hm ok meway hold on
[03:45] <meway> wxl, not sure if that link works
[03:46] <meway> and I am told this will break things so I have backed everything up just in case
[03:48] <wxl> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ oneiric universe
[03:48] <wxl> that's what i have in mine
[03:48] <wxl> oh well
[03:49] <wxl> update to 11.10 :D
[03:51] <meway> you sure you did not typo?
[03:51] <wxl> last one is a copy/paste
[03:54] <meway> ;_;
[03:54] <meway> download page?
[03:56] <wxl> sudo do-release-upgrade
[04:00] <meway> this will effect what ?
[04:00] <wxl> upgrade to 11.10
[04:01] <meway> during the upgrade will effect what?
[04:02] <wxl> your distribution
[04:02] <wxl> you go from 11.04 to 11.10
[04:02] <wxl> natty to oneiric
[04:02] <wxl> then you'll have tmw
[04:03] <wxl> the new one
[04:03] <meway> wxl, without restarting?
[04:03] <meway> cause it is doing it right now :s
[04:06] <wxl> dunno about the restart
[04:09] <meway> i_i I am running a server
[04:09]  * meway logs in to warn properly the users
[04:10] <meway> nvm nobody is online I must not be that important today rofl
[04:11] <KM0201> warn users about what?
[04:11] <wxl> possible restart with a do-release-upgrade
[04:11] <wxl> he's running a server
[04:11] <wxl> ever get your dm working, KM0201 ?
[04:12] <KM0201> wxl: haven't really messed w/ it.
[04:12] <wxl> good to hear you're out having fun :D
[04:12] <KM0201> lol... is that what htey call it?
[04:12] <wxl> hahahah uh oh maybe not in your case :D
[04:40] <meway> please tell me there is a logical reason other than hardware failure that google chrome would have a red boarder for no apparent reason?
[04:57] <wxl> good to hear you're out having fun :D
[04:57] <wxl> sorry about that
[04:59] <meway> lol what?
[04:59] <wxl> just fforget it :D
[06:11] <new2lubuntu> sorry to bother you guys as i know some of you are busy,, i accidently deleted my shutdown button on the right side.. how do i get it back?
[06:12] <wxl> right click panel
[06:12] <wxl> add / remove panel items
[06:12] <bioterror> easiest way is to remove lxpanel configuration
[06:12] <wxl> add "application launch bar"
[06:13] <wxl> ah
[06:13] <wxl> nevermind my idea
[06:13] <wxl> there's no shutdown in the menu....
[06:13] <bioterror> as I said
[06:13] <new2lubuntu> yeah haha i noticed
[06:13] <bioterror> rm -rf !
[06:14] <new2lubuntu> removing lxpanel config will do what? return it to default?
[06:14] <bioterror> Unit193, make a faq about removing lxpanel configurations? :)
[06:15] <new2lubuntu> that or is their a way to "factory reset" without goingtthrough the hassle of putting iso on usb stick etc..
[06:16] <bioterror> goto .config and remove lxpanel
[06:16] <bioterror> ~/.config/
[06:17] <new2lubuntu> which will leave me with what to navigate?
[06:17] <new2lubuntu> or does it default it when i do as you have instructed.
[06:18] <bioterror> remove it
[06:18] <bioterror> and logout and back in
[06:19] <new2lubuntu> i dont understand how to get to .config
[06:20] <new2lubuntu> and i feel bad about it
[06:20] <new2lubuntu> fyi
[06:21] <bioterror> cd ~/.config/
[06:23] <bioterror> or in pcmanfm press h
[06:23] <bioterror> and it will show you dot files
[06:46] <wxl> hey does mail-notification work with lxde?
[06:47] <bioterror> it's upto mail client if it uses notifyd or what ever it was ;)
[06:48] <bioterror> but I remember sylpheed notified
[06:48] <wxl> k
[07:59] <smw> has anyone gotten volume keys to work in lubuntu?
[08:01] <bioterror> yep
[08:01] <bioterror> works out of box ;)
[08:02] <smw> damn... you are right
[08:02]  * smw feels stupid
[08:02] <bioterror> if you look into lubuntu-rc.xml
[08:02] <bioterror> you have there keyboard section
[08:02] <smw> bioterror, there is just no feedback from the system :-P
[08:02] <smw> wait, mute button does not unmute
[08:02] <smw> lol
[08:02] <bioterror> your ears doesnt give you feedback?-)
[08:04] <smw> bioterror, where is lubuntu-rc.xml?
[08:04] <bioterror> .config/openbox/
[08:05] <smw> bioterror, I don't have lubuntu-rc.xml :-\
[08:05] <smw> bioterror, can you give me a list of directories to nuke?
[08:05] <smw> bioterror, I installed lubuntu-desktop after using openbox...
[08:07] <smw> thanks for the help :-). I need to go
[08:15] <preyas> any one here
[08:15] <preyas> hey sit
[08:16] <preyas> hey sir
[08:16] <preyas> my title bar theme gone off
[08:16] <preyas> when i used this command
[08:16] <preyas> compiz --replace ccp
[08:30] <preyas> hi there my lubuntu title theme is crashed
[08:30] <preyas> i used this command compiz --replace ccp
[08:30] <preyas> then it got crashed
[09:20] <cjs> Any thoughts on why lxdm wouldn't be running my startup script specified with "Exec=/home/cjs/.fvwm/start-lxde-fvwm" in the /usr/share/xsessions/fvwm-lxde.desktop file? I have it drop the date in a file as its first action, and I can run the script as user "nobody" and it does so. But that doesn't happen when I try to log in.
[09:24] <cjs> Moving the script to /usr/bin doesn't help, either.
[09:27] <cjs> Hm. Works ok with gdm.
[10:17] <meway> how do i disable my screen savor and make my monitor shut off?
[10:18] <meway> monitor should shut off automatic when nothing happens for 30m
[10:18] <meway> and I don't want a screen savor
[10:18] <meway> what should I do?
[10:19] <meway> oh nvm I see that you added this option in this version xD
[10:19] <bioterror> xsreensaver does that locking
[10:20] <bioterror> remote tap from there for locking screen
[11:42] <romm> hey guys. i'm installing LDE over an existing ubuntu 11.10 installation. is there a way to cleanly get rid of unity etc.? i want this to be like a clean lubuntu install
[12:15] <GuitarBizarre> Hey, newbie question here, I'm trying to install some variant of snes9x on my netbook, compaq 311C, lubuntu 11.10, new install
[12:15] <GuitarBizarre> I'm finding it difficult, most repositories seem to be out of date on either the build or the version of ubuntu to which they refer
[12:16] <GuitarBizarre> I keep finding references to gsnes9x, but it seems the ubuntu repositories don't have this package, terminal says package not found
[12:17] <GuitarBizarre> I've got a tar.bz2 I can find, of course, but I'm rather hopeless with such things
[12:18] <GuitarBizarre> and I'd prefer a graphical frontend, I believe the vanilla snes9x releases are command line
[12:29] <SAKKED> how can i install WLAN drivers to öubuntu?
[12:29] <SAKKED> lubuntu
[12:30] <SAKKED> some how lubuntu doesnt support my old laptop
[12:47] <badseed> Hello, I have to install Lubuntu on a computer wich have a pretty small HDD. Could you tell me wich size I should give to / (and keep enough space for few softwares like "the gimp" and "libreoffice"?
[12:59] <bioterror> badseed, make swap 1.5x the RAM and rest for /
[13:01] <badseed> I'd like to keep the maximum space for the /home... So...
[13:02] <badseed> Do you know how much space does the / system takes for a regular install?
[13:07] <jrgifford> badseed: I don't know, but I normally set my / partition about 10GB or so. Although I normally start installing everything under the sun shortly thereafter, I've never run into problems space-wise. You could probably get away with 5GB.
[13:09] <badseed> ok thank you very much ;-)
[13:09] <badseed> Have a good day/evening ;-)
[13:24] <SAKKED> is there any software center?
[13:24] <SAKKED> in lubuntu
[13:24] <SAKKED> like ubuntu
[13:26] <jrgifford> SAKKED: yeah, there is.
[13:26] <jrgifford> https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center
[13:26] <jrgifford> it's in beta though.
[13:27] <saml> hey, when I double click an icon in desktop,  I want to get some animatino that the application is being started
[13:27] <saml> is it possible?
[13:28] <saml> i double click.. and nothing happens for a few seconds.. so i end up launching the application many times
[14:17] <SAKKED> ok
[14:17] <SAKKED> is it open beta?
[14:17] <SAKKED> how can i install that sofware center?
[14:18] <SAKKED> sudo apt-get lubuntu-software-center
[14:18] <SAKKED> ?
[14:21] <SAKKED> or should i use ubuntu sofware center?
[14:27] <jrgifford> SAKKED: you should be able to add the PPA then install it.
[14:28] <jrgifford> SAKKED: https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[14:32] <SAKKED> how do i download that?
[14:32] <SAKKED> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu oneiric main
[14:32] <SAKKED> ?
[14:34] <jrgifford> sudo apt-add repository  ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
[14:34] <SAKKED> is it possible to use ubuntu software center? :D
[14:34] <SAKKED> jrgifford: what does that command do?
[14:34] <SAKKED> installs that software center?
[14:35] <jrgifford> the command will add the ppa. after that you'll need to do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-software-center to install it.
[14:35] <SAKKED> whats ppa`?
[14:37] <jrgifford> it's the repository that provides the lubuntu software center.
[14:56] <SAKKE> lol
[14:56] <SAKKE> shell crashed
[14:56] <SAKKE> so whats PPA?
[14:59] <jrgifford> SAKKED: it's a way for developers to distrubute stuff before it gets uploaded into the main repositories. so, you can install it or the latest version.
[15:10] <SAKKE> ok
[15:10] <SAKKE> so can u retype that command
[15:11] <SAKKE> how to add that ppa and istall
[15:11] <SAKKE> *install
[15:15] <SAKKE> look like i cant install adobe flash plugin to chromium
[15:15] <SAKKE> any alternates for watching youtube?
[15:29] <SAKKE> nvm
[15:29] <SAKKE> found solution =)
[15:30] <jrgifford> SAKKED: ok. sorry I didn't reply sooner, was busy with schoolwork.
[15:30] <SAKKE> np
[15:34] <SAKKE> so can i just use ubuntu software center+?
[15:36] <jrgifford> You could, but it'd bring in a bunch of gnome stuff.
[15:40] <SAKKE> like what? =)
[15:44] <jrgifford> well, all the stuff here, plus their dependencies - http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/software-center
[15:44] <jrgifford> you can go ahead and install the normal ubuntu software center, but I recommend your realize what you're getting into... :)
[15:44] <SAKKE> =)
[15:44] <SAKKE> ok
[15:44] <SAKKE> i just install that lubuntu software center
[15:45] <SAKKE> is there any instruction how to install that?
[15:45] <SAKKE> òn interenet
[15:46] <SAKKE> is gnome Mplayer lighter than VLC?
[15:49] <jrgifford> SAKKE: Yeah, tehre are instructions. - http://askubuntu.com/questions/68194/how-do-i-install-the-lubuntu-software-center
[15:49] <jrgifford> *there
[15:49] <SAKKE> ok ty
[15:50] <SAKKE> is that beta forever or is it going to reach final?
[15:50] <SAKKE> and when it comes with Lubuntu?
[15:50] <jrgifford> it'll become final, for now though it's beta.
[15:50] <SAKKE> ok
[15:50] <jrgifford> It should ship by default in 12.04 in April, not 100% sure about that though
[15:53] <SAKKE> ok
[15:55] <SAKKE> wtf
[15:55] <SAKKE> it doest work
[15:55] <SAKKE> just wont open
[16:00] <SAKKE> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/install-lubuntu-software-center.html
[16:01] <SAKKE> it says i should remove spaces :O
[16:16] <econdudeawesome> loving the new lubuntu. Very clean. Any way to display on multiple monitors?
[16:18] <silverlightning> yes there should be, I am looking in to the same
[16:18] <silverlightning> libre office impress
[16:19] <econdudeawesome> phillw, do you have any insight?
[16:27] <xsaidx> hello guys
[16:27] <xsaidx> idk why even i remove apache i still have /etc/apache2 folder
[16:28] <badseed> Hello, could you please tell me how to install the "Swiss French" keyboard in lubuntu? I don't find it during the install.
[16:29] <xsaidx> badseed: use lxkeymap
[16:32] <badseed> xsaidx, should I launch it via a terminal?
[16:33] <xsaidx> badseed:  in the menu at the bottom you ll see preference then lxkeymap
[16:33] <badseed> xsaidx, uh ok thank you very much!
[16:34] <xsaidx> badseed: de rien
[16:40] <badseed> eheh mon anglais est si naze?! :p
[17:04] <xsaidx> hello guys
[17:24] <wxl> a belated hello xsaidx
[17:24] <xsaidx> wxl: hello back
[17:25] <wxl> just responding to your hi from 20 minutes ago :D
[17:25] <xsaidx> wxl:  : D
[17:25] <xsaidx> i get this error "PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mcrypt.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mcrypt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[17:25] <xsaidx> " when i try to make new project with zf
[17:26] <xsaidx> wxl: any idea why
[17:27] <wxl> off hand no
[17:27] <wxl> do you have mcrypt.so anywhere?
[17:42] <xsaidx> wxl: yes
[17:42] <wxl> where?
[17:42] <xsaidx> i shud remove it
[17:43] <xsaidx> i guess i read in that list mail
[17:44] <xsaidx> wxl: PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mcrypt.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mcrypt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[17:44] <xsaidx> wxl: now it dl php files instead of executing em
[17:44] <wxl> huh
[17:45] <wxl> no clues
[17:45] <xsaidx> wxl: when i click on that folder where the index.php shud get run it gets downloaded intead
[17:54] <wxl> xsaidx: again i'm just trying to think through this with you. i don't have php (and really don't want to bother installing it to try to help you figure it out!). that being said.. you are having this symptom of downloading as a result of removing mcrypt.so?
[17:55] <wxl> oh mcrypt is just a library you had in your program (or still do)
[17:56] <xsaidx> yeh i guess i shud activate it
[17:56] <wxl> that should be irrelevant to the behaviior you're observing imho
[17:57] <xsaidx> it says the module doesnt exist
[18:00] <wxl> relevant? http://www.php.net/manual/en/mcrypt.setup.php#97841
[18:00] <wxl> http://www.php.net/manual/en/mcrypt.setup.php#92227
[18:00] <xsaidx> k
[18:00] <xsaidx> tnx
[18:01] <wxl> here too http://randyfay.com/comment/92#comment-92
[18:02] <wxl> yep that last one is the exact problem you're having
[18:02] <wxl> next time google the error first ;)
[18:05] <xsaidx> wxl: the thins is i have already that file in it but still dl files :P
[18:05] <xsaidx> btw i dont get the error now
[18:08] <xsaidx> brb
[18:17] <saml> hey, gnome has take a break thingy that blocks keyboard input after certain amount of time.
[18:17] <saml> does lxde have that?
[18:19] <silverarrow> haven't noticed any
[18:25] <saml> can I change lxpanel location?
[18:25] <saml> i want it to be located at the top, not at the bottom
[18:25] <bioterror> change it ;)
[18:25] <saml> how?
[18:26] <xsaidx> back
[18:27] <xsaidx> saml  click right on it  and there u set it
[18:28] <saml> xsaidx, thanks
[18:29] <xsaidx> uw saml
[18:34] <wxl> xsaidx: http://www.surfthe.us/reference/phptshoot.html
[18:36] <wxl> xsaidx: better yet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#Troubleshooting_PHP_5
[18:36] <xsaidx> wxl: thanks a lot
[18:36] <wxl> np
[18:36] <wxl> just some creative googling
[18:39] <xsaidx> wxl: well i guess the php5 mod who was missed cus me too i found out earlier i jst need to activate mod php5 but when i try to  it says not xist but ididnt think abt install in it
[18:39] <xsaidx> wxl: thanks again
[18:39] <wxl> kewl well glad we found the problem
[18:40] <wxl> happy programming :D
[18:43] <xsaidx> wxl:  :D
[19:57] <therealmarv> Hello. I installed gedit and still get this one warning while starting. Does anybody know a solution?
[19:57] <therealmarv> (gedit:1965): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-buttons.css:159:10: Expected valid border
[20:01] <wxl> try a different theme
[20:05] <therealmarv> hmmm, how to switch (I suppose gnome?!) theme?
[20:05] <wxl> gtk = gimp tool kit
[20:05] <wxl> what version you on?
[20:08] <th__> hi any command to get the default menu bar back?
[20:08] <th__> removed the right most icon (logoff, reboot...)
[20:08] <bioterror> that was second today
[20:09] <th__> yep.. just installed lubuntu over ubuntu and removed ubuntu-desktop afterwards..
[20:09] <bioterror> open terminal
[20:09] <bioterror> cd .config
[20:09] <bioterror> and remove lxpanel
[20:09] <bioterror> logoff and log back in
[20:09] <bioterror> or sudo service lxdm restart
[20:09] <bioterror> should do the same
[20:11] <Unit193> lxpanelctl restart won't do it?
[20:11] <therealmarv> @wxl Tried to switch themes with gtk-theme-switch Warning message does not dissapear. Seems I have to live with it
[20:11] <meetingology> therealmarv: Error: "wxl" is not a valid command.
[20:11] <wxl> teehee
[20:11] <th___> hehe that went great.. (not)
[20:12] <bioterror> Unit193, does it do it?
[20:12] <th___> well I have a menu bar, but I removed the icon to logoff
[20:12] <wxl> i meant your overall theme in openbox (may affect the same thing, but for safety's sake..)
[20:13] <wxl> use customize look & feel in preferences and it should give you theme options
[20:13] <wxl> moving from gtk2 to 3 cause a few little hiccups with themes and such..
[20:14] <therealmarv> @ wxl. My Lubuntu is pretty new. I tried to switch to e.g. LXDE default (from Lubuntu default) and the warning message dissapeared
[20:14] <meetingology> therealmarv: Error: "wxl." is not a valid command.
[20:14] <therealmarv> sorry
[20:14] <therealmarv> never will write (at) again
[20:15] <th___> can you restore the default menu bar?
[20:15] <therealmarv> so this a kind of a bug in Lubuntu Theme because this message will not appear with the other LXDE Themes
[20:20] <wxl> therealmarv: i'd call that a tad of a bug
[20:23] <wxl> th___: yep
[20:23] <wxl> mv ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel ~/
[20:23] <wxl> (you could also just rm it if you don't want a copy)
[20:23] <th___> thnx
[20:23] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart
[20:25] <th___> mm.. removed it, but the restart does not work
[20:25] <wxl> that's strange
[20:25] <wxl> try log off/on
[20:26] <SAKKED> why did they destroy ubuntu with that unity shell? =(
[20:26] <wxl> SAKKED: no sh**
[20:26] <th___> sakked: I don't know, but apt-install lubuntu-desktop worked for me ;)
[20:29] <SAKKED> :D
[20:29] <SAKKED> th___: u changed ubuntu to lubuntu? D:
[20:29] <SAKKED> :D
[20:29] <wxl> SAKKED: i did that originally too
[20:29] <wxl> but that's really funky
[20:29] <wxl> at that point you have the lxde equivalent of xubuntu
[20:30] <wxl> all the bloat of ubuntu but with a lightweight gui
[20:30] <Unit193> !purelxde | If you must "convert"
[20:30] <wxl> ^^ what Unit193 said
[20:34] <SAKKED> sudo apt-get remove acpi-support acpid adium-theme-ubuntu aisleriot apg app-install-data app-install-data-partner appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt apt-xapian-index apturl apturl-common at-spi2-core avahi-autoipd bamfdaemon banshee banshee-extension-soundmenu banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore baobab binfmt-support bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer branding-ubuntu brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common brltty c2esp checkbox ch
[20:34] <wxl> not here tho
[20:34] <wxl> :D
[20:34] <SAKKED> lol
[20:35] <SAKKED> soz
[20:35] <SAKKED> XD
[20:35] <MichealH> !pastebin | SAKKED
[20:35] <MichealH> :)
[20:35] <SAKKED> so that command turns ubuntu to lubuntu? :D
[20:35] <MichealH> It removes all the bloat
[20:36] <MichealH> And basically leaves you with lubuntu as it is on the CD
[20:36] <Unit193> Eh, best as it can, but a clean wipe+install is better
[20:37] <MichealH> Whoops (I hate Key combos)
[20:37] <SAKKED> http://ubuntuhelp.tumblr.com/post/1301847558/is-there-a-way-i-can-switch-from-my-installed-regular
[20:38] <SAKKED> btw
[20:38] <souliaq> Problem with Gnome-AlsaMixer, I use this in Lubuntu 11.04, I install today Lubuntu 11.10 and this give me errors (don't run, in console mode show Glib errors)
[20:38] <SAKKED> what happened to madrake?
[20:38] <SAKKED> *mandrake
[20:39] <MichealH> SAKKED, That leaves all the regular ubuntu bloat IN, rather than removing it :)
[20:39] <wxl> hahaha
[20:39] <MichealH> souliaq, Does "alsamixer" in Terminal show a mixer?
[20:39] <souliaq> no
[20:39] <MichealH> Hm
[20:39] <souliaq> I launch this in terminal to see errors
[20:40] <SAKKED> ok
[20:40] <souliaq> in Lxde nothing happends
[20:40] <MichealH> souliaq, In 11.04 did it work?
[20:40] <souliaq> sound works well, the default volume changer works well too
[20:40] <souliaq> yes
[20:40] <souliaq> perfectly
[20:40] <SAKKED> wasnt that redhat/madrake the most popular distribution?
[20:40] <SAKKED> in 2005?
[20:40] <SAKKED> not long ago
[20:41] <souliaq> buy I need alsamixer to advanced options
[20:41] <souliaq> for example Audacity is not recording, I need change de in device
[20:42] <souliaq> in LXTerminal gnome-alsamixer shotme a lot of errors of this type:
[20:42] <souliaq> (gnome-alsamixer:1866): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance
[20:45] <MichealH> souliaq, But does alsamixer actually show a window?
[20:45] <MichealH> Warnigns should not affect it
[20:45] <souliaq> no, nothing of nothing
[20:45] <souliaq> for that reason, I launch alsamixer in LXTerminal
[20:45] <souliaq> I try with normal user
[20:45] <souliaq> and with SUDO
[20:45] <souliaq> the same errors
[20:46] <souliaq> in both users
[20:46] <MichealH> Hm, It could well be a bug then
[20:47] <souliaq> you Install Lubuntu 11.10 ?
[20:47] <souliaq> you installed Lubuntu 11.10?
[20:47] <MichealH> Nope
[20:48] <souliaq> well, then I must wait, at least two months
[20:50] <souliaq> I think i don't  need the gnome alsamixer, Lubuntu comes with alsamixer (graphical in textmode), I don't knew this.
[21:35] <ralinux> hy guys what tool for networking is the best?
[21:35] <uofm49426> anyone have 11.10 and using a bt878 card help me before i downgrade to 10.10
[21:35] <SAKKED> bt878 card?
[21:36] <uofm49426> tv card
[21:36] <uofm49426> bttv and video 4 linux
[21:36] <KM0201> uofm49426: been a while since i used one, but typically it worked almost perfectly w/ linux
[21:36] <KM0201> and vlc
[21:37] <KM0201> never got the remote to work, but using the keyboard to change channels was no big deal
[21:37] <uofm49426> like i tell everyone i dont use the tv card but the fm tuner is used
[21:38] <KM0201> ah, that i don't know
[21:38] <uofm49426> its a pv-48000
[21:39] <uofm49426> it worked in 10.10
[21:40] <uofm49426> have you worked with the bttv file maybe i can past it for you maybe you can think why it dont work
[21:42] <uofm49426> atleast trying to keep me from downgrading
[21:43] <uofm49426> i dont have cable so what games are not on espn 3 or over the air i listen to them on my radio
[21:44] <uofm49426> what is that past website
[21:46] <uofm49426> was card blacklisted sence 10.10
[21:46] <uofm49426> bttv
[21:50] <uofm49426> http://paste.ubuntu.com/711408/ km0201
[21:54] <mark76> Hey ho silverlightning
[21:54] <silverlightning> hi mark76
[21:54] <silverlightning> ; )
[21:54] <mark76> Did you get mplayer sorted out?
[21:55] <silverlightning> not really, but it is manageable
[21:55] <silverlightning> not sure what causes it
[21:57] <mark76> Well that's something
[21:57] <KM0201> uofm49426: unfortunatley, it hs been so long since i used mine, i can't recall mucha bout it, other than it pretty much "just worked" with VLC
[21:57] <silverlightning> I am buying a new fan for my old laptop, to make it less noisy
[21:57] <mark76> I watched that show you sent me
[21:57] <mark76> I could have sworn the guy with the broken limbs was dead
[21:57] <silverlightning> broken limbs?
[21:58] <silverarrow> mark76: and lubuntu is behaving?
[21:59] <mark76> Dunno, I'ma  debhead :D
[21:59] <mark76> I'm a
[22:00] <jwash> hi everyone, i want to uninstall 'ace of penguins' but it also requires me to uninstall 'lubuntu-desktop'. how do i prevent this behavior
[22:01] <jwash> via synaptic
[22:01] <uofm49426> i makes me frustrated when things just  dont work when new releases come out
[22:01] <mark76> lubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[22:01] <jwash> that was just an example, is there a way to only remove 'ace of penguins'?
[22:02] <mark76> Probably
[22:02] <mark76> But you'd have to do it in a terminal
[22:03] <silverarrow> mark76: pure debian?
[22:03] <mark76> Yep :D
[22:03] <silverarrow> is it tricky to get runnig?
[22:03] <mark76> Not really
[22:04] <uofm49426> 11.04 was always stalling when it was inactive in screen saver when i had my acer 5515 when ati stop putting out drivers for xpress 1200 so i keep using intrepid
[22:05] <mark76> Word of advice though. If you're going to try it and you want to install it don't install from a live session.
[22:05] <mark76> Also, their version of LXDE isn't as polished as the Lubuntu one
[22:06] <uofm49426> so far as far as my computers go  intrepid and maverick just worked great
[22:07] <KM0201> silverarrow: no offense, you will never survive on a pure debian install.
[22:08] <mark76> Intrepid's a bit ancient, surely?
[22:08] <KM0201> i'm not even sure if intrepid is still supported
[22:09] <KM0201> actually, im pretty sure its not
[22:09] <uofm49426> hey never had one problem with intrepid it was a good stable os
[22:09] <KM0201> actualy, i thought intrepid sucked.
[22:09] <KM0201> it's what pushed me to Debian
[22:10] <KM0201> hardy wasn't much better
[22:10] <KM0201> 9.04, there was dramatic improvement, and they've continued that ..
[22:10] <KM0201> until they started this unity mess
[22:12] <uofm49426> is there a way i can install 10.10 and 11.10  on 2 different partions
[22:12] <uofm49426> so i can work on why my tv card works in one and not the other
[22:14] <uofm49426> i have a free 49 gb hard drive i use as extra storage between windows and linux
[22:15] <smw> uofm49426, yeah, when you install you just need to make sure to not overwrite the other partition.
[22:15] <smw> uofm49426, http://askubuntu.com/questions/13977/dual-booting-two-ubuntu-versions may work
[22:16] <smw> manually partition or make sure it is using the right hard drive during install
[22:29] <PereZ> Hi people... I need a little help =P
[22:29] <PereZ> I'm using Lubuntu 11.10, and always that I press the Super button, the menu opens... How can I disable that??
[22:41] <uofm49426> hey worked i have both 11.10 and 10.10 on 2 partions same hard drive
[22:42] <uofm49426> all for fm radio lol
[22:42] <silverarrow> great
[22:42] <silverarrow> and the tv card?
[22:44] <uofm49426> it worked in 10.10 before i went to 11.10
[22:44] <uofm49426> 11.10 cant get it to work
[22:44] <silverarrow> I see. Have you had a chance to test it yet?
[22:44] <silverarrow> after the new install I mean
[22:47] <KM0201> PereZ: did you enable that somehow, cuz i don't have that.
[22:48] <uofm49426> km0201 can you tell me my paste number
[22:49] <KM0201> 711408
[22:49] <uofm49426> thanks
[22:50] <PereZ> KM0201: I have no idea how I did that... =P
[22:53] <uofm49426> brb
[22:55] <koulamaras> Hello all! I would like to ask: What is the option "lubuntu netbook" at the login screen? It doesn't seem to do anything. I'm using lubuntu 11.10, upgraded from 11.04
[22:56] <Unit193> Lubuntu Netbook worked on 11.04, but there is a bug in LXDM that prevents it from working on 11.10 without the work around
[22:58] <koulamaras> the workaround is to add the lubuntu ppa?
[22:58] <Unit193> Nope, edit a file. Do you really want it? I'll pull up the workaround
[22:59] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#Lubuntu_Netbook_not_launching
[23:00] <koulamaras> OK thank you very much!
[23:14] <mykel> help please---volumne control is greyed out and no sound
[23:18] <mykel> anyone care to help, please
[23:22] <mykel> lubuntu 11.10
[23:53] <uofm49426> yes tv card working in maverick but not i the 11.10


[03:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Perhaps late, but kryten poked me about teaming up to fix the docs, they're pretty fixed just not reviewed. :P
[03:37] <Unit193> 6 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
[03:38] <Unit193> Translations still aren't coming in.
[10:47] <bluesabre> jphillips needs to refresh his locate database
[10:48] <Unit193> Live session
[10:49] <bluesabre> It's also slow if he's searching from /
[10:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: master branch of xubuntu-docs?
[10:51] <bluesabre> No way to bring the translations automatically with git, gotta export them and apply
[11:01] <Unit193> Ouch.
[11:02] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/h9vaXLz2aFLI9CfWO2OZ
[11:04] <bluesabre> Neat
[11:05] <bluesabre> If it works, go ahead and apply it
[11:05] <bluesabre> I'll sync the translations
[11:07] <Unit193> We don't know if getpot does, you'd have a harder time comparing the files.  How easy is it to export?  Can this be automated
[11:27] <Unit193> Docs say light-locker is the screen locker, and indicator-application for that... :/
[12:05] <jphilips> when does the red indicator on the notification plugin appear
[14:51] <jphilips> what are people's thoughts of bundling some of the same themes bundled with studio, as they are already in the repo
[16:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: server-side, yeah, we could do some automation
[16:16] <bluesabre> jphilips: If we ship it, we support it. We ship Shimmer themes (Greybird, previously Numix) since we maintain them, and Adwaita because GTK pulls it in. If ochosi would be fine with helping to maintain the themes, I wouldn't oppose it. Feel free to bring it up for discussion once we start working on 20.10 :)
[16:17] <jphilips> bluesabre: okay will send an email to the ML
[16:17] <jphilips> are we maintaining humanity?
[16:22] <bluesabre> No, but I think Ubuntu's patched GTK pulls that in. We're a bit limited there, unfortunately. :(
[16:51] <jphilips> bluesabre: so no way for us to object against this?
[18:59] <ochosi> me helping to maintain further themes? hahahaa, no way
[18:59] <ochosi> i'd rather support less themes tbh
[19:01] <jphilips> so that begs the question, if we don't maintain them, we shouldn't ship them, as we should be able to ship themes from the community that are being maintained as they are not the default theme


[00:52] <jderose> i'm using pynotify... how can i check if a notification is currently displayed?  i need to know weather to update() or create a new notification?
[01:11] <lamalex> jderose, I think that there's a "closed" signal
[01:14] <lamalex> jderose, I think that notify osd is supposed to automerge them though
[01:39] <jderose> lamalex: in my use case, i need to update both the summary and body, so i don't think the automerge will work...
[01:40] <jderose> lamalex: but thanks for tip about closed signal!
[01:41] <lamalex> jderose, yeah automerge won't work for you then, closed signal is the way for you
[02:00] <ion> Meh. Bug #686698 still exists. Still no Unity for me. :-P
[03:45] <coz_> hey guys... I notice someone has change the unity icon in ccsm.. why is this?
[04:40] <coz_> vish,  do you know anything about the unity icon in ccsm being changed?
[04:41] <vish> coz_: hi.. nope
[04:41] <coz_> mmm
[04:41] <coz_> vish,  how are you  this morning :)
[04:42] <vish> coz_: still sleepy.. ;)
[04:42] <coz_> :)   I understand  I am actually getting ready for bed
[04:43] <coz_> vish,   ok I will check on this tomorrow
[04:43] <coz_> thanks
[04:44] <vish> coz_: np.. i think the desktop team is on holidays, so might wanna wait for them. either sam or didrocks might know.
[04:45] <coz_> vish,  yeah sam said he wasnt aware of it being changed
[04:45] <coz_> vish,  he has been away also... and probably didnt get the package I submitted for the ccsm set
[04:46] <coz_> but  the pillow is awating  my head :)  so night... I will stay logged in though
[04:46] <coz_> troy_s,  i  just noticed you here :)
[04:46] <troy_s> Greets.
[04:46] <troy_s> coz_: Yes here... sort of.
[04:46] <coz_> :)
[04:48] <coz_> I was just  "taken back" when I saw that "purple pimple"  of an icon replacing mine :)
[08:04] <htorque> hello everyone! which language should i use to write a new application indicator? i remember reading something about python support lagging behind or not getting updated at all?
[08:21] <jderose> htorque: it depends on if you want an indicator that only contains menuitems, or if you want a custom indicator that does its own drawing (like Sound Indicator or Messaging Menu)
[08:21] <jderose> htorque: if you want basic indicator with only menuitems, i recommend Python
[08:23] <jderose> htorque: if you want custom indicator, you must do it in C... you might ask doctormo or tedg about this
[08:23] <jderose> there not around at the moment, but they tend to idle here :)
[08:25] <htorque> jderose, yes, it should be a simple application indicator. so python is still ok for those?
[08:26] <htorque> (i got a custom indicator half-coded, but it seems they are hard-coded to show up on the left-hand side of the panel, so i've put that one on hold for now :P)
[08:26] <jderose> htorque: as far as i know, yep, python is fine.  only exception would be if it's something that's always in the panel (rather than just something put there when your application is running), python has pretty big memory footprint
[08:27] <jderose> htorque: yeah, i know doctormo has found it rather painful to write custom indicator also
[08:27] <htorque> jderose, hm, ok, then i'll avoid python, cause the indicator should be there the whole session
[08:28] <htorque> jderose, thanks for your answers! :)
[08:29] <jderose> htorque: np! have fun!


[19:00] <dmfrey> mythweb broken in the repos right now?
[21:05] <gregl> dmfrey,  I updated this morning and mine is working as it should..


[18:19] <shaunm> mdke: http://blogs.gnome.org/shaunm/2012/01/22/too-much-documentation/
[18:19] <shaunm> mdke: jbicha mentioned you ran into the "Argument list too long" problem with yelp.m4 in ubuntu-docs
[18:20] <shaunm> happens when you have a lot of translations of a lot of page files
[18:20] <shaunm> there's a fix in the just-released yelp-tools 3.3.2


[10:13] <apw> skaet_, i wonder if the 10.04.2 release should be on the 'future releases' section of the Releases page
[13:40] <pitti> cjwatson: I don't think that we can realistically fix the oversizedness for alpha-1; can we just release-note this?
[13:40] <cjwatson> yes, I think so
[13:40] <pitti> we still have a couple of things we are going to do for downsizing, so I'm not in panic for beta etc. yet
[13:40] <pitti> but none of those are cheap to do
[13:41] <ScottK> cjwatson: For Alpha 1 there's no point in spinning anything Kubuntu related on armel.
[13:42] <cjwatson> do you want me to actively stop those builds, or can we just ignore the failures and not release it?
[13:42] <ScottK> Ignoring is fine.
[13:42] <cjwatson> ok
[13:43] <ScottK> If they ever get in the way of anything that has some hope of being useful, then feel free to kill them off.
[17:13] <skaet_> cjwatson,  what's the ETA on images to start to become available for QA folk?
[17:14] <cjwatson> I don't have one yet; I was expecting to just let the normal cron jobs tomorrow morning do it, though
[17:15] <skaet_> cjwatson, fair 'nuf.   Thanks.


[09:21] <rmg51> Morning
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:38] <ChinnoDog> morning


[15:30] <rueedi> hello
[15:32] <rueedi> i am writing an own cloud-init module.. it works all nice so far, it gets executed i have my schema, i can configure it... but now i want to access the network configuration that was passed to cloud-init from within that code... how can i do that?
[17:17] <kryl> Hi