[09:13] <ali1234> i just lost input on a second panel and then the whole panel crashed
[09:16] <ali1234> trying to get a proper stack trace now...
[10:01] <elfy> knome: \o/ someone else has seen the disappearing desktop icons too ...
[10:03] <ochosi> hey elfy
[10:03] <ochosi> xfdesktop4.12.1 was just released with a bunch of bugfixes, maybe that one's fixed too
[10:04]  * ochosi wouldn't know because he doesn't use desktop icons at all...
[10:05] <brainwash> yes, already fixed
[10:06] <elfy> I'll wait till I see it before I agree it's fixed then :p
[10:06] <ochosi> hehe, sure
[10:06] <elfy> was there a bug for it that you know of brainwash ?
[10:06] <elfy> oh - I'm sad now - where's brainvvash gone lol
[10:07] <brainwash> yes, the original report is closed
[10:07] <elfy> got the number?
[10:07] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11639
[10:08] <elfy> might want to mark https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11741 as dupe then
[10:08] <brainwash> mmh, 4.12.1 has already a regression, because eric did not apply my recent changes :/
[10:09] <brainwash> elfy: you should be able to mark it as dupe, because you've created that report
[10:11] <elfy> done that
[10:12] <brainwash> thanks
[10:12] <elfy> not sure why I couldn't see it when I searched though *shrug*
[10:14] <elfy> bugzilla has untrusted connection as well xfce forum btw
[10:14] <ochosi> yeah, should be fixed shortly
[10:15] <elfy> I assumed so - I also trusted it :p
[10:18] <ochosi> elfy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ILPl5FQaM
[10:18] <elfy> :)
[10:18] <ochosi> (imo all websites with expired certs should link to that)
[10:18] <elfy> ha ha ha
[11:23] <bluesabre> good morning folks
[11:24] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[11:24] <ochosi> new xfdesktop release = work for you :]
[11:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: indeed
[11:24] <bluesabre> I'm starting at the top of the list this morning, https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html
[11:25] <bluesabre> I think Noskcaj had mentioned that debian packaging is slowing down for a while, boo, I'll have to package things myself instead of syncing :P
[11:26] <ochosi> btw, i'm preparing xfpm 1.4.4 as we speak
[11:26] <bluesabre> gtk2 or gtk3?
[11:26] <ochosi> but i think we wont be able to push that into 15.04, because it has a new feature
[11:26] <ochosi> gtk2
[11:27] <ochosi> (trayicon is back)
[11:27] <ochosi> all in all mostly translations and some minor fixes
[11:27] <bluesabre> cool
[11:27] <ochosi> maybe one of the last 1.4 / gtk2 releases for xfpm :)
[11:27] <ochosi> after that, devel release for gtk3
[11:27] <bluesabre> the trayicon is a duplicate feature, so we can include it
[11:28] <ochosi> duplicate feature?
[11:28] <bluesabre> isn't it basically the same as the panel plugin?
[11:28] <ochosi> oh right
[11:28] <ochosi> yeah
[11:37] <brainwash> bluesabre: first you should revert the commit for https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9570 :)
[11:39] <brainwash> I've tested with thunderbird (pops up a dialog for account creation) and thunar + xfce4-terminal which run a daemon by default
[11:39] <brainwash> so I did not notice anything strange
[11:43] <brainwash> vivid has still 0.10.3
[11:45] <bluesabre> brainwash: instead of reverting, want to explore some of the later comments with getting the proper timestamp?
[11:48] <brainwash> I will, but the last comment is not very optimistic
[11:48] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:51] <brainwash> I should have verified that everything works fine by checking the values :/
[11:51] <knome> elfy, oi :)
[11:54] <elfy> good day to you bluesabre
[12:00] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[12:01] <bluesabre> no more time for packaging now, bbl
[12:11] <Unit193> ochosi: Trayicon. \o/
[12:22] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, we'll likely keep it around in gtk3 as well
[12:23] <Unit193> Also, that clip apply to self signed too? ;)
[12:24] <ochosi> eh, sorry i don't follow
[13:57] <ochosi> Unit193: so what did you mean earlier exactly?
[14:10] <jjfrv8> knome, did as you suggested: bug 1435009
[14:10] <knome> jjfrv8, thanks
[16:58] <ochosi> elfy: Unit193 was kind enough to upload the new gmusicbrowser 1.1.14 to our staging PPA. as we might try to get a FFe for it for 15.04, it would be much appreciated if you could take it for a spin or motivate any other testers to do so
[16:59] <ochosi> particularly there seems to be one bug that - at least so far - seems fixed for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1401609
[17:07] <elfy> aha
[17:07] <elfy> funny that ... I was having a look earlier today and seemed to get that
[17:09] <elfy> ochosi: mmm - I have that version here currently
[17:09] <micahg> ooh
[17:09] <ochosi> which version? 1.1.14?
[17:09] <micahg> so, everything else the same?
[17:09] <micahg> vivid, up to datE?
[17:09] <elfy> ochosi:  the one on ppa
[17:10] <elfy> micahg: it's very rare that this machine is ever anything but up to date :p
[17:10] <elfy> given a 3 or 4 hour window
[17:10] <micahg> both of you have both gstreamer 1.0 and 0.10 installed?
[17:10] <elfy> I do
[17:10] <ochosi> yeah
[17:10] <ochosi> crap, mine crashed just now
[17:11] <elfy> mine's trying to shutdown ...
[17:11] <ochosi> the error report looked a bit different, but i'll try to reproduce
[17:11] <micahg> ok, maybe try filing a new report and seeing if the stacktrace is the same
[17:11] <micahg> could be a similar but different bug
[17:11] <elfy> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:11] <micahg> that could mean a thousand things :)
[17:12] <elfy> ofc
[17:12] <elfy> and ...
[17:12] <elfy> this package is not official - can't report viia apport
[17:13] <micahg> I thought there was an option to override that...
[17:13] <ochosi> hm, seems that gmusicbrowser can't be run through gdb
[17:14] <micahg> it's perl...
[17:15]  * ochosi facepalms
[17:15] <micahg>  it has its own -debug and -backtrace options :)
[17:16] <ochosi> yeah, while i know all that i guess i've worked with C too much and forgot about that now :)
[17:16] <elfy> well if and when someone wants me to do anything other than say it's fubar let me know
[17:16] <ochosi> hehe, ok, will do
[17:16] <elfy> though tbh I'm not going to try using it much
[17:17] <ochosi> first i'll check whether i can get a meaningful backtrace/idea of what's going on exactly
[17:17] <elfy> I've got the crash report - maybe manually reporting and then apport-cli to push that to manual report
[17:26] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be great
[17:26] <ochosi> please link it if you manage
[17:27] <ochosi> either way, i've forwarded our concern upstream
[17:40] <elfy> ochosi: mmm no idea - I've unpacked the crash report though - could attach the results - but there's a whole bunch of stuff
[17:40] <ochosi> i ran gmb from the terminal and attached the backtrace i got there
[17:41] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10653735/ is what's inside the crash report
[17:41] <elfy> if you've done the upstream one - you could add it to bug 1435043
[17:41] <elfy> I guess
[17:43] <ochosi> i did
[17:43] <ochosi> stacktrace and coredump might be interesting
[17:44] <ochosi> but i dunno
[17:44] <ochosi> i guess we can wait for the maintainer to reply
[18:09] <Unit193> ochosi: It wasn't important. :P  You linked a video about ssl certs, and being expired.  I asked if that also applied to self-signed. :P
[18:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfwm4 4.12.2-1, exo 0.10.4-1, parole 0.8.0-1, xfce4-power-manager 1.4.4-1, xfce4-session 4.12.1-1, xfdesktop4 4.12.1-1 hit.
[18:16] <ochosi> oh ok :)
[18:16] <ochosi> and nice ^
[18:35] <bluesabre> Unit193: very cool
[18:36] <Unit193> Don't think it matters, but you know, fyi... Doing my jobdeded.
[18:38]  * bluesabre gives Unit193 the Debian Liaison of the Year award
[18:43] <elfy> he'll be able to look at that 24/7 ...
[19:15] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you need help with any of the remaining 4.12 merges?
[20:18] <Noskcaj> Does someone have time to confirm lp:1435068
[20:19] <Noskcaj> bug 1435068


[10:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Adam Conrad's Apr 13th email about AA17.10 mentions the opening of the next release will begin sometime (this) week... any word yet?
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[11:00] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:23] <flocculant> BluesKaj: nothing yet
[11:24] <BluesKaj> flocculant:  ok thanks...the motd is usually out of date so I asked anyway :-)
[11:24] <flocculant> :)


[09:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: good morning, did you see this? http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2011/02/prism-is-now-chromeless/
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not yet
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> nice!
[09:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: heh, ok, I haven't dug into the details yet, I wanted to talk to upstream about migration paths
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> my list of things to get in the archive is growing ;)
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> i was going to get profilemanager in at some point, i wanted to have a play around with that
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> and now this ;)
[17:12] <dupondje> Somebody could help me ? :) Firefox is moving places.sqlite to places.sqlite.corrupted like every 2/3 reboots
[17:12] <dupondje> :(
[17:12] <dupondje> renaming it again fixes it ...
[18:19] <bdrung> bdmurray: all FF extension that do not need to be compiled were removed from natty
[18:20] <micahg> dupondje: is firefox crashing on reboot?
[18:21] <bdmurray> bdrung: ah, that explains it thanks!
[18:21] <dupondje> micahg: nope, it works fine, just places seems to get broken sometimes :
[18:21] <dupondje> :(
[18:27] <micahg> dupondje: mozilla 623489
[18:27] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 623489 in Places "When a corrupt Places database is replaced, try to save and restore history" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623489
[18:28] <dupondje> mmm ok :)
[18:29] <bdrung> bdmurray: i have uploaded greasemonkey to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/xul-ext
[18:55] <bdrung> bdmurray: and i doubt that chrisccoulson will be happy about reintroducing greasemonky again
[18:59] <bdmurray> bdrung: okay, I wasn't aware of firefox extensions being removed from natty
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray, we decided at the sprint that there's no reason for them to be in the archive really, and they're going to be a nightmare to maintain when we get quarterly firefox releases
[19:02] <bdrung> bdmurray: that's why we created https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/xul-ext
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> (updating all extensions across 4-5 stable releases every few months)
[19:02] <bdmurray> sure it makes sense to me its just that nobody told me
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. it wasn't something we announced really, we just went ahead and did it ;)
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> or, rather, pitti did that ;)
[19:03]  * bdrung disagrees, but can live with the ppa
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> bdrung - you didn't endure the nightmare of the firefox 3.6 rollout to all of our releases ;)
[19:04] <bdrung> that may explain my different opinion
[19:08] <micahg> pushing out 4.0 will be fun :-/
[19:08] <micahg> or rather 4.x
[19:09] <micahg> won't be nearly as bad as 3.6 since we dropped most of the extensions with Lucid
[21:07] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:14] <fta> micahg, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2237901
[21:15] <micahg> fta: wow
[21:15]  * micahg will go ask for help
[22:30] <LLStarks> i hate mozilla.
[22:30] <LLStarks> that new test pilot is crippling firefox performance
[22:32]  * micahg still doesn't have it
[22:32] <LLStarks> https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/secure-sites-compatibility.html
[22:40] <LLStarks> **** this. i'm turning off user studies.


[12:39] <mdke> mornin
[12:39] <Burgundavia> salut
[12:39] <Burgundavia> does mkde == mdke ?
[12:39] <mdke> yes
[12:40] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:40] <Burgundavia> why don't you use mdke_ and mdkev ?
[12:40] <mdke> froud used it once during our kde skirmishing so I adoped it
[12:41] <Burgundavia> ah
[12:41] <Burgundavia> "kde skirmishing?"
[12:41] <Burgundavia> oh, inkscape is fun
[12:41] <mdke> we were bitching about kubuntu
[12:41] <mdke> in a tongue in cheek way
[12:42] <Burgundavia> http://img104.echo.cx/img104/2579/madlittleship7jt.png
[12:42] <Burgundavia> inkscape is fun
[12:42] <mdke> i can't believe it, gnome 2.10 has been out for ages now, and gentoo upgrades to 2.8.3 now
[12:42] <mdke> grumble
[12:43] <Burgundavia> gentoo is for ricers
[12:43] <Burgundavia> even worse that kde
[12:43] <mdke> oooh that hurt
[12:43] <mdke> what is a ricer?
[12:43] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricer
[12:44] <mdke> *grins*
[12:44] <mdke> See also
[12:44] <mdke>     * Boy racer
[12:44] <mdke>     * Crotch rocket
[12:44] <mdke> thats not true
[12:44] <Burgundavia> term that came about because of the number of Korean/Japanese/HK kids with lots of money and little sense
[12:44] <mdke> i love gentoo
[12:44] <Burgundavia> so they put it cars
[12:44] <Burgundavia> and soup them up
[12:44] <mdke> yeah we have em here in the uk too
[12:44] <Burgundavia> over-optimize
[12:44] <mdke> except its not only people with little money
[12:44] <mdke> s/little/lots of
[12:44] <Burgundavia> try and get the last few hp out of there cars
[12:44] <mdke> *grins*
[12:45] <mdke> that's not why i run gentoo
[12:45] <mdke> its for the girls
[12:45] <Burgundavia> do crazy things like replace the rubber with silicon to make it faster. It also makes the ride much much worse
[12:46] <mdke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townie
[12:46] <mdke> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Chav
[12:46] <mdke> this modern lingo is so hard to keep up with
[12:47] <mdke> i went away for a year, and came home to find the term "chav" taking over
[12:47] <mdke> the uk is so class ridden ;)
[12:51] <mdke> Burgundavia, anyway there is nothing wrong with the ride on gentoo :D
[12:51] <Burgundavia> right
[12:51] <Burgundavia> ignore the bumps, that is becuase we are going so fast
[12:52] <mdke> i don't get bumps
[12:52] <mdke> well, i get some, but i have had some on every linux flavour i've used
[12:52] <Burgundavia> did I mention that I think inkscape is great?
[12:52] <mdke> you might have
[12:52] <mdke> but you should make it clearer
[12:53] <Burgundavia> you saw my 1/2 hours work? image shack
[12:53] <Burgundavia> http://img104.echo.cx/img104/2579/madlittleship7jt.png
[12:53] <mdke> Burgundavia, yes its nice
[12:53] <mdke> lemme find out what inkscape is
[12:54] <Burgundavia> inkscape great little vector art drawing program
[01:01] <mdke> looks pretty sweet, although i don't know the first thing about graphics
[01:02] <Burgundavia> nor did I
[01:03] <Burgundavia> til I started playing
[01:03] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[01:03] <Burgundavia> how is down under?
[01:03] <mdke> y0
[01:04] <jsgotangco> we're just starting
[01:04] <jsgotangco> mostly the day is about drafting
[01:04] <jsgotangco> but we're having a barbecue later
[01:04] <Burgundavia> bastard
[01:04] <jsgotangco> it is after all the friday and tommorow is the last day
[01:13] <mdke> night y'all
[01:14] <jsgotangco> nite
[02:07] <Kinnison> Morning
[02:12] <Burgundavia> morning Kinnison
[06:43] <jsgotangco> gyaahh i didnt ssavvee
[07:38] <froud> African Greetings
[07:40] <jsgotangco> hi froud
[07:47] <froud> hi jsgotangco
[07:54] <jsgotangco> brb
[08:10] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:10] <jsgotangco> i got lead on MentoringCommunity
[08:10] <jsgotangco> duhhh
[10:24] <jsgotangco> sup
[12:28] <jsgotangco> boo
[12:29] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, awake?
[12:29] <jsgotangco> froud, hey
[02:55] <jsgotangco> enrico, hi
[02:56] <enrico> Hi jsgotangco !
[02:56] <jsgotangco> enrico, you're not here :(
[02:58] <enrico> I'm here everytime I'm online
[02:58] <enrico> IRC is quite a time killer when one has a full-time job
[02:59] <jsgotangco> true
[02:59] <jsgotangco> no i mean too bad you're not in UDU
[03:00] <enrico> jsgotangco: yes, I know.  I just can't keep up with it
[03:00] <enrico> however, if you have something you need from me, please write me
[03:01] <jsgotangco> of course
[03:01] <enrico> are there cool things happening?
[03:02] <jsgotangco> we just had a 70 man keysigning 2 hours ago
[03:02] <jsgotangco> and some barbecue
[03:02] <enrico> wow!
[03:02] <jsgotangco> generally everyone is now at the bar at the moment some playing mao, some drinking, some like me surfing while having a lager
[03:02] <enrico> aussies are masters of barbecues!!
[03:03] <jsgotangco> aye mate it was great
[03:03] <enrico> have some wine!
[03:03] <enrico> they have really good wine down there
[03:03] <jsgotangco> i already had 4 lagers
[03:03] <jsgotangco> maybe tommorow
[03:03] <enrico> :)
[03:03] <jsgotangco> tommorow is the last day anyway
[03:52] <mvirkkil> Converted some more wiki pages to moin. Only 28 pages in non-MoinMoin format.
[03:53] <mvirkkil> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/pagesByType
[09:03] <enrico> froud: that's a good wish!
[09:04] <froud> :-) preparation for LinuxWorld JHB, got me working hard
[09:06] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:06] <Burgundavia> finally getting my talk nailed down
[05:39] <mdke> love it when people rename the FrontPage
[05:39] <froud> the wonderful work of wiki ..... grrr
[05:40] <mdke> hi froud :)
[07:17] <Burgundavia> salut jeffsch
[07:17] <jeffsch> hey man
[07:17] <jeffsch> how did it go at lfnw?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> very very well
[07:18] <Burgundavia> about 50 people, which was over cap. for the room
[07:18] <Burgundavia> I talked for 1/2 hour and then I answered questions for another 45 minutes
[07:19] <Burgundavia> I must have done something right, as they all clapped at the end
[07:19] <jeffsch> great!
[07:19] <jeffsch> did you get any converts?
[07:19] <Burgundavia> I didn't have any cds
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I wasn't responsible for ordering them and the guy who was forgot
[07:21] <jeffsch> I installed kubuntu on the weekend
[07:22] <jeffsch> I have gone back to gnome
[07:22] <jeffsch> kde interface is too busy and cluttered for my tastes
[07:22] <Burgundavia> indeed
[07:23] <jeffsch> but I kept kdm... kde apps work better with kdm than gdm
[07:23] <Burgundavia> we really need one login manager, rather than 3
[07:23] <jeffsch> some of the kde apps are pretty good too
[07:23] <Burgundavia> I like kolf
[07:23] <jeffsch> the help is better
[07:24] <Burgundavia> yelp generally sucks, no matter the system
[07:24] <Burgundavia> s/yelp/help
[11:28] <Burgundavia> can I get some eyeballs on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:33] <Burgundavia> ** sudo
[11:33] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: root. (0.01s)
[11:33] <Burgundavia> ?? sudo
[11:33] <[uhelp] > sudo[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:34] <lexxan> ?? root
[11:34] <[uhelp] > root: Root is disabled in Ubuntu by default. Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:34] <Burgundavia> !learn add sudo Root is disabled in Ubuntu by default. Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:34] <Burgundavia> ?? sudo
[11:34] <[uhelp] > sudo: Root is disabled in Ubuntu by default. Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:34] <Burgundavia> there we go
[11:34] <lexxan> only ppl who i put on the bot can add
[11:34] <Burgundavia> this is a very useful bot
[11:34] <Burgundavia> can I get a full listing of what it does?
[11:35] <lexxan> saves a lot of typing and time heh
[11:35] <lexxan> ummm
[11:35] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:35] <lexxan> sec
[11:35] <lexxan> there's !learn ins !learn put and !learn rep
[11:36] <lexxan> i dunno what they do
[11:36] <lexxan> insert i guess
[11:36] <lexxan> !learn ins sudo t
[11:36] <Burgundavia> where did you get the bot from?
[11:36] <lexxan> just an eggdrop running !learn tcl from www.egghelp.org
[11:36] <lexxan> # !learn add word defenition
[11:36] <lexxan> # !learn del word <number|all>
[11:36] <lexxan> # and also !learn <ins|put|rep> <number> <defenition>
[11:37] <lexxan> !learn ins sudo 2 ffff
[11:37] <lexxan> ?? sudo
[11:37] <[uhelp] > sudo: Root is disabled in Ubuntu by default. Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:37] <lexxan> ?? sudo 2
[11:37] <[uhelp] > Hey lexxan, i've already told #ubuntu-doc about "sudo"... no need to repeat (i think)
[11:37] <lexxan> hm
[11:37] <lexxan> !learn del sudo 2
[11:37] <lexxan> ?? sudo
[11:37] <[uhelp] > sudo: Root is disabled in Ubuntu by default. Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:37] <lexxan> i dunno.
[11:38] <Burgundavia> ok, I will take a look
[11:38] <Burgundavia> thanks for doing this
[11:47] <Burgundavia> lexxan, the bot is running on your server?
[11:47] <lexxan> ya
[11:47] <lexxan> just on my desktop box
[11:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:47] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:47] <lexxan> but i'm gonna try to find a 24/7 server
[11:47] <lexxan> since my sister reboots into windows sometimes
[11:47] <Burgundavia> maybe we can talk canonical to putting on their servers
[11:48] <lexxan> brb
[11:48] <Burgundavia> I will ask about that
[11:48] <lexxan> who is that
[11:48] <Burgundavia> canonical is the company behind ubuntu
[11:51] <lexxan> ah okay
[11:51] <lexxan> that would be sweet
[11:51] <Burgundavia> this might take a bit, but we can probably swing it
[11:51] <lexxan> well whatever.. we can keep it on mine til it's more popular or something
[11:53] <mako> greetings
[11:53] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:53] <Burgundavia> lexxan here is the one running the bot on #ubuntu
[11:54] <Burgundavia> he has very kindly given me access ot the bot
[11:54] <Burgundavia> but it would be nice if this could be moved to a canonical server
[11:54] <Burgundavia> currently, he is running eggbot http://www.egghelp.org/
[11:55] <thegreedyturtle> hey lexxan, is there a contents or ?? help
[11:55] <thegreedyturtle> ?? help
[11:55] <[uhelp] > help[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:55] <lexxan> No I don't think so
[11:55] <lexxan> pretty much it's just !learn add <keyword> info
[11:55] <lexxan> !learn del keyword
[11:56] <lexxan> ** <string>
[11:56] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: apt. (0.002s)
[11:56] <lexxan> to search
[11:56] <mako> cool
[11:56] <lexxan> and i can add ppl who want to add / remove stuff
[11:57] <Burgundavia> the advantage to bringing it onto canonical servers is that the doc team can vet the information given out
[11:57] <lexxan> yea
[11:57] <lexxan> you could just manually edit the txt file
[11:57] <lexxan> in a shell
[12:00] <mako> i've asked the admins
[12:01] <Burgundavia> thanks mako


[00:00] <tedg_> Someone is calling gpm-brightness-lcd though.
[00:00] <tedg_> Oh, it seems to be going idle.
[00:00] <tedg_> What is your idle time set to?
[00:01] <tedg_> 30 seconds?
[00:04] <bdmurray> I'm double checking
[00:10] <bdmurray> the applet shows it being off when on battery
[00:11] <tedg_> Hmm, I wonder if this is similar to the idle problem seb128 was having.
[00:11] <tedg_> It was basically reading the wrong values.
[00:11] <tedg_> It does look like it's kicking into idle, not sure why if it's off though.
[00:12] <tedg_> And why it's making it brighter when idle, is another good question.
[00:13] <tedg_> Anyway, I need to run now, but I think there might be something fishing going on in the idle code, or around it.
[02:35] <RAOF> Who wants to temporarily kill their ability to use the keyboard in X in the interests of duplicating bug #194214 ?  I'm particularly interested in whether or not someone can reproduce under metacity.
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in compiz "Keys get "stuck" down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194214
[03:25] <techno_freak> if my launchpad url is https://bugs.launchpad.net/~parth-technofreak is my launchpad id parth-technofreak.? am trying to use add-5-a-day :s
[03:28] <techno_freak> ah yes :) done
[04:16] <greg-g> ok, need a bit of help assigning a package for a kde app.  bug 188558
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188558 in ubuntu "User Mgmt -> Monitor & Display doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188558
[09:14] <InsClusoe> Can someone tell me when Hardy Alpha 5 will be ready for download? I thought of downloading just now. But release schedule says Alpha 5 is due anytime soon...
[09:14] <InsClusoe> I mean, I thought of downloading Alpha 4 when I realised that Alpha 5 is abt to become available.
[09:15] <seb128> InsClusoe: you can download the current daily iso, that will likely do the trick
[09:15] <seb128> and if there is a small change rsyncing will be quick
[09:18] <KenSentMe> Is it a bug that when you remove a package like nano, the ubuntu-standard package will also be removed? I am triaging a bug about it
[09:18] <KenSentMe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/194269
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194269 in nano "attempt to remove nano removes ubuntu-base" [Undecided,New]
[09:19] <InsClusoe> seb128: Thanks..
[09:20] <seb128> InsClusoe: otherwise to reply to your question, not sure when it'll be available, should be today
[09:21] <InsClusoe> Hmm.. Would be fantastic if they could mention time as well on the schedule page.
[09:24] <KenSentMe> What status should i apply to a bug like the one stated above?
[09:26] <seb128> InsClusoe: they would if they knew exactly
[09:26] <seb128> InsClusoe: the image was due yesterday, when there is some delay that usually due to issues that need to be worked
[09:27] <InsClusoe> seb128: Yeah...
[09:27] <seb128> InsClusoe: and then new images need to be rolled and retested, etc
[09:28] <InsClusoe> seb128: Yup.. I do acknowledge the practical difficulties.
[09:49] <KenSentMe> Is it ok to change the status of this kind of bugs to 'Invalid'? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/194269
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194269 in nano "attempt to remove nano removes ubuntu-base" [Undecided,Invalid]
[10:59] <socceroos> is this the spot where I need to be to get help on triaging bugs?
[11:32] <Iulian> Hey
[12:44] <InsClusoe> Iulian: Hi .. What's up?
[12:57] <pedro_> hello InsClusoe Iulian good day, how are you today?
[12:58] <InsClusoe> pedro_: Good. Thanks. How are you?
[12:58] <pedro_> I'm pretty fine too, thanks
[12:58] <pedro_> did you guys already have your 5 bugs of the day ? :-)
[12:58] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[12:58] <pedro_> InsClusoe: it's your network ok today ? ;-)
[12:59] <InsClusoe> pedro_: no.. not yet.
[12:59] <InsClusoe> pedro_: I discovered the network problem..
[12:59] <pedro_> what was it ?
[12:59] <InsClusoe> pedro_: We hadn't paid the bill... And they decided to block it.
[13:00] <InsClusoe> pedro_: They blocked it so well that all my instant messengers were working and I had access to two (only two) websites... wiki.ubuntu.com and launchpad.net
[13:00] <pedro_> but how you can connect to the IRC ? do they block you some pages or ports?
[13:00] <pedro_> ahahah
[13:00] <InsClusoe> pedro_: Am so thankful to their blocker configuration..
[13:00] <pedro_> I want something like that ;-)
[13:00] <InsClusoe> pedro_: :-)
[13:01] <pedro_> sourcercito: did you already have your 5 of today ? ;-)
[13:02] <InsClusoe> pedro_: You have done 5 already?
[13:02] <pedro_> yes yes yes
[13:03] <InsClusoe> pedro_: Great.. I am looking at bug #194343.. The description doesn't give a clue about the problem.
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194343 in ubuntu "Keyboard goes suddenly bananas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194343
[13:03] <pedro_> bananas?
[13:03] <sourcercito> pedro_, i'm still working with the consecuences of yesterday's hug day ;)
[13:03] <InsClusoe> pedro_: but I don't know the right  info to ask for.
[13:04] <sourcercito> InsClusoe, sorry for the late responde, i read the bug and update the info, i was with my girlfriend at the time you ping me ;)
[13:04] <pedro_> sourcercito: haha, thanks for take care about those reports :-)
[13:05] <InsClusoe> sourcercito: No prob..  The debugging procedures page doesn't have info on interface devices. Some info on debugging keyboard, mouse and joystick issues would be great. :-)
[13:08] <Iulian> It seems that I have some connection problems...
[13:08] <Iulian> Blah
[13:08] <pedro_> InsClusoe: maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-f68a44ebe8c816f76601704031747e9a1f880e5a
[13:08] <pedro_> Iulian: yeah looks like :-P
[13:08] <pedro_> Iulian: ready to grab 5 bugs? ;-)
[13:09] <Iulian> pedro_: No
[13:09] <Iulian> Why only 5?
[13:09] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[13:09] <pedro_> well you can totally do more than 5 !
[13:09] <Iulian> Hahah :-)
[13:09] <Iulian> Yeah, I was just kidding.
[13:10] <Iulian> Of course I am ready ;-)
[13:10] <pedro_> i know :-)
[13:11] <KenSentMe> I wanted to start with triaging 5 bugs a day, but i got some questions like: Is it ok to change the status of this kind of bugs to 'Invalid'? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/194269
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194269 in nano "attempt to remove nano removes ubuntu-base" [Undecided,Invalid]
[13:11]  * Iulian is looking
[13:11] <KenSentMe> Cool, i asked earlier but got no response
[13:11] <Iulian> KenSentMe: Yes, that's not really a bug.
[13:12] <KenSentMe> It's a feature :p
[13:12] <Iulian> Well, I don't call that a feature request.
[13:13] <KenSentMe> Iulian, was just kidding,
[13:13] <Iulian> Okay
[13:14] <InsClusoe> ok.. got to go.. pay my ISP bill.. and will get back soon.. Have a nice day!
[13:15] <Iulian> See you later, InsClusoe.
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: the retracers are buggy for some days apparently, the daily update doesn't work correctly, I've stopped those for now, feel free to retag bugs if you notice they have been incorrectly untagged
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: ie, if they didn't get the retracing failed tag
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: they should be retracable once the retracers are working again
[13:26] <pedro_> seb128: ok, thanks you
[13:28] <seb128> you are welcome
[13:28]  * seb128 hugs pedro_
[13:28]  * pedro_ hugs seb128 back
[13:48] <Unksi> hmm, is it ok to set this as invalid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/restricted-manager/+bug/194046
[13:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194046 in restricted-manager "Restricted Manager missing in Hardy Alpha 4" [Undecided,New]
[13:48] <markvandenborre> I'm trying to find a solution to another serious printing bug
[13:48] <markvandenborre> freshly installed default 7.10 desktop installation, HP Laserjet 4050N
[13:49] <bddebian> Boo
[13:49] <markvandenborre> everything seems to get sent to the printer correctly
[13:49] <markvandenborre> then I get a "processing job" on the printer's lcd screen forever
[13:49] <Iulian> Unksi: Yeap
[13:50] <Unksi> ok, thank you :)
[13:51] <Iulian> Be right back
[13:52] <markvandenborre> I've switched the cups log level to debug
[13:52] <markvandenborre> but it's not revealing a lot of information to me
[14:00] <markvandenborre> any suggestions?
[14:04] <Pici> Where should artwork related bugs/and or suggestions be filed to?
[14:04] <Pici> Regarding wallpaper in this instance.
[14:07] <seb128> Unksi: closing this one is right
[14:07] <seb128> markvandenborre: open a cupsys bug?
[14:07] <Pici> Eh... nevermind, turns out someone else touched the bug when I wasn't looking. (stuck to ubuntu-artwork for those following along at home)
[14:08] <markvandenborre> seb128: I don't get it, it works perfectly now on a different
[14:09] <markvandenborre> (after using gutenprint instead of the non-working "recommended" postscript one (bug already reported)
[14:09] <markvandenborre> different gutsy machine, other, identical laserjet 4050n
[14:10] <markvandenborre> any suggestions on troubleshooting/logs I should really include in the bug report
[14:10] <markvandenborre> ?
[14:13] <seb128> markvandenborre: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[14:14] <markvandenborre> thx seb128
[14:14] <seb128> you are welcome
[14:16] <afflux> could bug 102323 be a duplicate of bug 145360?
[14:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102323 in compiz "Compiz crashes when I rotate screen." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102323
[14:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360
[14:21] <markvandenborre> ok, I don't get this
[14:21] <markvandenborre> on one machine, stock gutsy install
[14:21] <markvandenborre> a laserjet 4050n works with gutenprint
[14:21] <markvandenborre> on the other clean 7.10 install, it doesn't
[14:21] <markvandenborre> but it _does_ with foomatic/hpijs
[14:22] <markvandenborre> that's _weird_
[14:34] <afflux> pedro_: bug 194273 is a duplicate of 145360. I retraced locally and you deleted the coredump when I wanted to upload to retrace+upload it
[14:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194273 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194273
[14:34] <pedro_> afflux: feel free to mark it as a dup then :-)
[14:35] <afflux> I wanted to wait for the public retrace messages, but okay ;)
[14:37] <afflux> pedro_: could you have a quick look on bug 102323 and bug 145360 and tell me if they are the same?
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102323 in compiz "Compiz crashes when I rotate screen." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102323
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360
[14:45] <pedro_> afflux: I'd say no, traces are a little differents and the symptoms too
[14:46] <pedro_> hey fvenegas_ good day!
[14:46] <fvenegas_> hola pedro_
[14:49] <afflux> pedro_: imo, the traces look quite similar: the calls are the same, the line numbers differ because the versions are different and the pointers differ of course ;)
[14:56] <afflux> pedro_: hm, the two duplicates of 102323 aren't very informative, I wonder why they were marked as duplicates. Anyway, i'm off for a coffee, feel free to hit me if you came to a decision ;)
[14:56] <afflux> (w 3
[14:56] <afflux> doh, that should've been a /window 3 ;)
[15:03] <pedro_> afflux: they're describing two different issues, look at the summaries
[15:03] <pedro_> and 102323 was already forwarded upstream and the compiz maintainers are working on it
[15:07] <kellis> Hi all, Could someone advise me whether the touchpad problem I'm having is a bug worth logging and what I'll need to log.
[15:11] <kellis> Its mighty quiet in here :)
[15:11] <InsClusoe>  kellis: Hi.. Please describe your problem before trying to find if it's worth logging a bug.
[15:12] <kellis> InsClusoe: Its an ALPS touchpad configured using synaptics. The 4-way scroll button behaves randomly. Up goes down. L/R/D do all kinds of random things.
[15:14] <InsClusoe> On Gutsy?
[15:15] <kellis> InsClusoe: Yes
[15:16] <kellis> InsClusoe: L/R/D seem to vary. Sometimes they cause huge jumps of the mouse pointer, sometimes they disable the Up button, other times they simulate a button 2 event.
[15:18] <InsClusoe> Can you check out bug #109856 and confirm if it's the same?
[15:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109856 in network-manager-pptp "makes a useless icon in internet menu" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109856
[15:18] <kellis> InsClusoe: I'll take a look. brb
[15:19] <InsClusoe> kellis: oops.. sorry
[15:19] <InsClusoe> its bug #109586
[15:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109586 in ksynaptics "Touchpad configuration (ksynaptics) has no (permanent) effect " [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109586
[15:19] <InsClusoe> my bad
[15:21] <kellis> I don't think thats the same issue, although I've been making changes primarily in xorg.conf
[15:24] <InsClusoe> hmm..
[15:24] <InsClusoe> Guess it's worth logging.
[15:25] <InsClusoe> I think you should log a bug againt gnome-control-center
[15:25] <kellis> Thanks, any particular output worth including? I've not logged a bug before
[15:28] <InsClusoe> You can refer to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[15:28] <kellis> thanks again
[15:29] <InsClusoe> welcome
[16:06] <afflux> pedro_: both compiz bugs are crashes, aren't they?
[16:06] <pedro_> afflux: look at the summaries
[16:09] <afflux> pedro_: don't get it.
[16:51] <bdmurray> pedro_: I've updated yesterday's wiki page
[17:04] <pedro_> bdmurray: woohoo thanks
[17:04] <pedro_> sourcercito: congrats!
[17:04]  * pedro_ hugs sourcercito
[17:08] <Iulian> Yea, great job!
[17:10] <seb128> pedro_: heh, I'm listed several times under different names on this page, who did that? ;-)
[17:11] <afflux> me :(
[17:11] <afflux> or at least, i added "sebastienbacher" once
[17:11] <afflux> or twice? don't remember
[17:12] <pedro_> haha
[17:12] <Iulian> :)
[17:12] <afflux> if found some bugs you triaged but didn't tick off ;)
[17:14] <afflux> pedro_, bdmurray: I'd like to reapply to the -bugcontrol team
[17:14] <pedro_> afflux: sure that'd be cool :-)
[17:17] <afflux> pedro_: ie. my membership will expire in some few days and brian told me that this is rather a check.
[17:19] <pedro_> afflux: i'll take a look to it
[17:19] <afflux> thank you
[17:21] <seb128> pedro_: do you have a working editmoin?
[17:22] <pedro_> seb128: yep
[17:22] <pedro_> it doesn't works for you?
[17:22] <seb128> pedro_: I think I don't have the wiki cookie or something on this box
[17:23] <seb128> pedro_: can you quickly edit the wiki page from the bug day and change it to use seb128 consistently? ;-)
[17:23] <pedro_> aha,
[17:23] <pedro_> no way!
[17:23] <pedro_> :-P
[17:23] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[17:23] <pedro_> doing it now
[17:23] <seb128> that's quick with a text editor
[17:23] <seb128> editing a wiki from a web browser is no fun
[17:23] <hp> hi
[17:23] <seb128> ;-)
[17:23] <seb128> Hi hp
[17:24] <bdmurray> speaking of editmoin has anybody used the -t option for templates?
[17:24] <hp> I am new here, I am from germany and I want to help finding bugs ;)
[17:25] <pedro_> afflux: check your email ;-)
[17:26] <pedro_> bdmurray: i haven't
[17:26] <pedro_> bdmurray: do you think it would be a good idea to start promoting the use of editmoin for bug days?
[17:27] <pedro_> like an extra line at the page saying something about it
[17:27] <InsClusoe> hp: Download and install Hardy Alpha 6 and report any bugs you encounter.
[17:27] <bdmurray> pedro_: yeah, I added a link to my vim editing idea
[17:28] <Iulian> hp: Great! You can find all reported bugs to Ubuntu here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ - before starting please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[17:28] <pedro_> rock!
[17:28] <InsClusoe> Also, read this page... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[17:28] <afflux> pedro_: thank you
[17:28] <hp> InsClusoe: thanks, ok. question: is bug reporting for gutsy on the wish list?
[17:28] <pedro_> afflux: thanks you for the good work you're doing :-)
[17:29]  * pedro_ hugs afflux
[17:29]  * afflux hugs pedro_  :)
[17:29] <InsClusoe> hp: Am not the right person to answer that.
[17:29] <hp> Iulian: Thank you too. I will read it asap
[17:30] <hp> InsClusoe: ok anyway thanks. I will read the links you provided..
[17:30] <InsClusoe> hp: Glad to be of some help.
[17:31] <hp> :) brb
[17:36] <InsClusoe> KenSentMe: 194351 got fixed by itself. Thought you would be interested.
[17:43] <Brenny> So, I'm trying to do 5-a-day, but I'm intimidated to change anything in Launchpad. If there is a bug that I can reproduce, am I allowed to just mark it as confirmed? Silly question, I know, but Launchpad scares me for some reason.
[17:45] <seb128> Brenny: maybe look at bugs, and describe what you would change on the chan?
[17:45] <seb128> Brenny: this way you can get confirmations before doing changes
[17:47] <Brenny> Well, all I would be changing is a bug status from "New" to "Confirmed" because I see the same behaviour. It's just a Firefox bug, 194394. F11 (fullscreen) messes with the way you had the window set up before you used F11.
[17:47] <Brenny> I commented, but I'm scared to do anything else :P
[17:48] <seb128> bug #194394
[17:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194394 in firefox "firefox fullscreen behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194394
[17:49] <seb128> Brenny: that's likely a duplicate, the first issue is not a bug, F11 is toggle, first press switch to full screen, second one out of it again
[17:50] <seb128> Brenny: the window position changing is likely a duplicate
[17:50] <Brenny> Well, it still kicks you out of maximized. In my opinion at least, it should return your window to the exact state it was in before.
[17:50] <seb128> it does here on hardy
[17:51] <seb128> only the window position is changed
[17:51] <seb128> and that's likely a duplicate as written
[17:51] <Brenny> bug #30522 actually looks like the first reporting of it.
[17:53] <seb128> Brenny: right
[17:54] <InsClusoe> Hurray! I did my 5 for the day. Guess I can peacefully have my dinner now.
[17:54] <seb128> InsClusoe: enjoy ;-)
[17:55] <InsClusoe> seb128: Thanks.. Will be back shortly and start bugging you guys for help. ;-)
[17:55] <Brenny> seb128, then am I allowed to mark it as duplicate? I'm starting this 5-a-day thing slowly so I don't rush into Launchpad and give everyone a headache while they fix my mistakes ;P
[17:56] <seb128> Brenny: yes
[17:57] <Brenny> I could get used to this. Giving back to the OS that has given me so much :) I just wonder if I can claim volunteer hours for this. I need 40 to graduate ;)
[18:03] <seb128> ;-)
[18:05] <james_w> Are we going to have 5-a-day time at UDS?
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #194394 in firefox (universe) "firefox fullscreen behaviour (dup-of: 30522)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194394
[18:16] <afflux> anyone able to confirm bug 187151? It's about multiple shutdown-dialogs opened when pushing the power button on HP Compaq nx7300
[18:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[18:20] <InsClusoe> afflux: Here's what happens on my dell..
[18:21] <InsClusoe> afflux: If I push the power button thrice in succession, then I have to click cancel on 3 dialogs.
[18:21] <InsClusoe> afflux: I am on Feisty though.
[18:22] <InsClusoe> afflux: Don't know if that helped you.
[18:38] <tuxTuxonson> o   o
[18:38] <tuxTuxonson>     /
[18:38] <tuxTuxonson> \______/
[18:38] <jeromeg> tuxTuxonson: ?
[18:39] <tuxTuxonson> ?
[18:41] <afflux> InsClusoe: hardy would be helpful :)
[18:42] <greg-g> 5-a-day question: I see a bug, I assign it to a package and ask for more infomartion.  I add it to my 5 that day.  Tomorrow (or 2 days from then) the reporter provides the information.  I then do something else with the bug (assign to some team, mark confirmed, invalid, report it upstream, etc) do I add it to my 5 that day also?
[18:42] <james_w> greg-g: go for it, but do 6 that day, just to be sure :)
[18:43] <InsClusoe> afflux: I just downloaded Hardy Alpha 4. Will burn it and update you. But I don't think Hardy supports WPA2. Without it, I won't be able to report bugs.
[18:43] <InsClusoe> afflux: Would an update from a livecd session suffice?
[18:43] <greg-g> james_w: :)
[18:44] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: WPA2 works for me on a Live CD of Hardy
[18:45] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: oh. great.. I had asked a question abt it on Hardy Development on ubuntuforums.org. I had no confirmation of the same. So, I was hesitant..
[18:46] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I am too lazy to install wpasupplicant and edit my  /etc/network/interfaces file again...
[18:47] <afflux> InsClusoe: yes, that'd enough
[18:48] <afflux> InsClusoe: thank you in advance
[18:49] <InsClusoe> afflux: np.. hardy iso burn in progress.
[18:51] <InsClusoe> afflux: BTW, I downloaded Hardy so that when the final release arrives, it works perfectly on my laptop.
[18:54] <afflux> InsClusoe: that's great
[18:56] <InsClusoe> Burning is complete. Will reboot, test and report back soon.
[18:56] <afflux> InsClusoe: good luck :)
[18:57] <InsClusoe> afflux: Yup. Thanks But I hope I don't need it.
[19:11] <InsClusoe> afflux: bdmurray: I am thrilled..
[19:12] <InsClusoe> Hardy is cool.
[19:12] <InsClusoe> afflux: I am able to reproduce that bug though..
[19:13] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: which bug is that again?
[19:13] <InsClusoe> Bug #187151
[19:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[19:15] <InsClusoe> Another issue: My wi-fi indicator does not glow.
[19:15] <james_w> anyone got any tips on debugging udev, hardy boots a lot slower to me as the "udevadm settle" call at startup is really slow. I suspect a timeout, but I can't work out what is being slow.
[19:16] <bdmurray> afflux: apt-cache-madison isn't really indicative of the package version someone has installed
[19:16] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: if you could add the package version you noticed it with that would be helpful I think
[19:16] <bdmurray> Perhaps in the "description" add LATEST VERSION TESTED: and the package name and version
[19:17] <InsClusoe> ok..
[19:17] <bdmurray> james_w: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUdev
[19:17] <InsClusoe> Another issue: I see a different icon where firefox quick launch used to be. Next to Evolution.
[19:18] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: what wireless driver are you using?
[19:18] <InsClusoe> When I click on this apparently new icon, it says not a launchable item.
[19:18] <InsClusoe> My card is ipw3945.
[19:19] <bdmurray> I think that is a result of firefox 3 being the default now
[19:19] <InsClusoe> ok..
[19:21] <bdmurray> That bug regarding your wireless LED may be bug 176090
[19:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176090 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "WiFi / WLAN LED not working on notebooks with Intel iwl4965 | iwl3945" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176090
[19:21] <james_w> bdmurray: no, thanks.
[19:24] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: ok.. Will look at it..
[19:24] <afflux> bdmurray: woops, i thought so. policy will better, right?
[19:26] <bdmurray> afflux: yeah, that'd work really well
[19:26] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: Yes. I think it's the same bug. Sorry for reporting duplicates here... :-)
[19:27] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: What do you mean here?  Bringing it up or reporting it to lp?
[19:27] <InsClusoe> Bringing it up here...Never mind..
[19:28] <InsClusoe> Another issue: The scroll section of my synaptics touchpad don't work. No horizontal or vertical scroll possible.
[19:28] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: No problem, it isn't possible to know every bug and better here than submitting it again. ;)
[19:28] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: that's known too
[19:29] <bdmurray> bug 173411
[19:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173411 in xorg "[Hardy][Regression] Touchpad vertical scroll does not work" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173411
[19:29] <bdmurray> that contains a workaround too if you are interested
[19:30] <InsClusoe> ok.. not just vertical.. Horizontal scroll also doesn't work..
[19:31] <bdmurray> It is probably the same bug
[19:31] <bdmurray> iirc there is no information about synaptics in xorg.conf at the moment
[19:31] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I can't really use the workaround now.. I am on a LiveCD session.
[19:33] <InsClusoe> BTW, doesn't livecd have a battery level indicator?
[19:34] <bdmurray> it should
[19:35] <Unksi> atleast kubuntu a4 has
[19:35] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: There is no batter indicator in my live session.
[19:36] <bdmurray> hmm, I don't know that bug number ;)
[19:38] <InsClusoe> :-)
[19:40] <InsClusoe> Should I file that against gnome-power-manager?
[19:40] <bdmurray> You are on alpha 4 right now?
[19:41] <InsClusoe> yes
[19:41] <InsClusoe> BTW, I just updated
[19:41] <InsClusoe> 187151
[19:41] <bdmurray> great, stopped me from typing ;)
[19:42] <bdmurray> hmm, did you update that bug or have you updated on the live cd?
[19:42] <InsClusoe> Sorry.. I just updated the bug regarding power button. Bug #187151
[19:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[19:44] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: Do you have AC power connected?  What happens if you disconnect it?
[19:44] <InsClusoe> I don't have AC power connected. No battery indicator now. Want me to connect it?
[19:45] <bdmurray> That sounds good
[19:47] <InsClusoe> Connected.. But I didn't get a popup saying AC Supply connected.
[19:47] <InsClusoe> I didn't get the balloon.
[19:47] <bdmurray> Did the applet show up though?
[19:48] <InsClusoe> No. if by applet, you meant the power level indicator.
[19:48] <bdmurray> hmm
[19:49] <InsClusoe> But I am not able to reproduce your 147772, though.. That's the first thing I tested. :-)
[19:49] <InsClusoe> Bug #147772
[19:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147772 in gnome-power-manager "after turning brightness off gpm does not respond to brightness up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147772
[19:49] <bdmurray> Install any updates, that should pull in HAL which might change the behaviour
[19:50] <InsClusoe> like what? Can a LiveCD session be updated? Shall I do a rsync then?
[19:51] <bdmurray> just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[19:51] <bdmurray> but don't reboot if it tells you to ;)
[19:51] <InsClusoe> Great. In progress.
[19:51] <InsClusoe> ok..
[19:53] <InsClusoe> It's upgrading xserver-xorg-video-ati. My chipset is Intel945GM.
[19:53] <bdmurray> that's fine
[19:54] <InsClusoe> Finished upgrading.
[19:55] <InsClusoe> Are we expecting the power indicator applet to work? If so, no luck.
[20:00] <bdmurray> Okay, have you looked at the debugging gnomepowermanager page then?
[20:00] <InsClusoe> oopsey... no..
[20:04] <InsClusoe> strange... I ran the gnome-power-bugreport.sh script.
[20:05] <InsClusoe> It says " battery.rechargeable.is_charging = false  (bool)
[20:05] <InsClusoe>   battery.rechargeable.is_discharging = false  (bool)"
[20:05] <bdmurray> does it have anything about sysfs in there?
[20:07] <InsClusoe> It has the power manager processes' information.
[20:07] <InsClusoe> Am afraid that may not answer your question..
[20:09] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: I've got to run in a bit but try 'hal-find-by-capability --capability "battery" | xargs -n 1 hal-device' and look for sysfs
[20:10] <InsClusoe> linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0'  (string)
[20:11] <InsClusoe> That's the only line containing sysfs..
[20:11] <InsClusoe> battery.present = true (bool)
[20:12] <Kirrus> bdmurray, was it you I talked to about bug #110407?
[20:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110407 in bash "Feisty should include Bash 3.1.x version due to regex syntax change" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110407
[20:12] <InsClusoe> So, it does detect that there is a battery.. At least I don't see two batteries like it's listed on the debugging gnome-power-manager page.
[20:14] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: ted gave me the impression that what you are experiencing is an issue with the sysfs interface to the battery
[20:14] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: ok..
[20:14] <bdmurray> However, I don't know if there is a bug about it yet.  I'd search in the HAL package
[20:15] <InsClusoe> ok. I will look for it..
[20:15] <bdmurray> as it is HAL that is showing the battery strangely
[20:16] <InsClusoe> Hmm.. And in the meanwhile, shall I change status of bug #187151 to confirmed?
[20:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[20:17] <bdmurray> yes, that'd be great
[20:18] <InsClusoe> Welcome.. Status change: Done.
[20:21] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: While I am at it, do you want me to try to reproduce any bugs?
[20:31] <anonymous111> Hi. I found a minor bug. On the Update Manager, when there is only one minute remaining, it says "About 1 minutes remaining".
[20:32] <Kirrus> hello anonymous111
[20:33] <anonymous111> hi. that bug was on gutsy btw
[20:34] <Kirrus> can you file it? Here are instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[20:34] <anonymous111> sure - I'll do that ASAP
[20:37] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: Apologies. When I connect the laptop to AC Power, the applet IS displayed.
[20:37] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I am so sorry.
[20:38] <InsClusoe> There was a loose connection earlier.
[20:40] <Kirrus> thanks anonymous111
[20:41] <bdmurray> Kirrus: it might be possible to figure out if "1 minutes" is still true by looking at the source code
[20:41] <afflux> bdmurray: for bug 187151 (again!), if that aplies to KDE as well, it's likely not to be GPM, right? If so, should I assign it to acpi?
[20:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[20:43] <bdmurray> afflux: I don't think so
[20:44] <bdmurray> looking at /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh it says
[20:44] <bdmurray> "If gnome-power-manager, kpowersave or klaptopdaemon are running, let them handle policy"
[20:44] <afflux> hm
[20:44] <Kirrus> anonymous111, can you tell me the bugnumber once you've submitted it please?
[20:44] <afflux> (why didn't I just look at that script? Stupid me!)
[20:45] <Kirrus> I'll look at it bdmurray...
[20:45] <bdmurray> I'd interpret that to me that they are responding to the button press event w/o seeing if there is already a dialog present
[20:45] <bdmurray> to mean that is
[20:46] <afflux> yeah, right. So I'd add the kde power thing as a second task?
[20:46] <afflux> as they suffer a check if we're already logging out?
[20:48] <afflux> (it's kdebase for kde)
[20:49] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: If I connect and disconnect the supply, the power-applet remains on the tray. So, it appears that only during boot it does not get initiated for some reason.
[20:51] <Kirrus> bdmurray, where can I find the source for that? None is available under update-manager-core or update-manager
[20:52] <bdmurray> afflux: I'd think kde-guidance-powermanager which is part of kde-guidance
[20:52] <bdmurray> afflux: but adding a secondary affected package is correct
[20:53] <bdmurray> Kirrus: what does apt-cache madison update-manager return?  Does a Sources listing show up?
[20:54] <Kirrus> no
[20:54] <Kirrus> bdmurray, it returns: update-manager |     1:0.81 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[20:55] <bdmurray> Kirrus: it doesn't sound like you have a source package line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[20:56] <bdmurray> Kirrus: However, update-manager uses launchpad as its upstream so you could just check the code out via bzr
[20:56] <bdmurray> And that would be the most recent
[20:56] <Kirrus> bdmurray, I don't know how to use bzr, or any source repository for that matter... I'll look it up though...
[20:57] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I just ran update manager on my live cd.. It downloaded 16 packages and took a minute and 30 seconds. The time on it is listed as 'x'min'y's. I guess anonymous111, who reported it, must have meant apt-get.
[20:57] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: And the moment time remaining fell below a min, it showed only seconds remaining.
[20:57] <afflux> apt-get shows 1min2s for me just in this moment
[20:58] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: Well... :-)
[20:58] <InsClusoe> Hey afflux, I updated that bug. Think you would have got an alert mail.
[20:59] <afflux> InsClusoe: yep, got it, thank you very much
[20:59] <afflux> InsClusoe: working on which packages are affected at the moment
[20:59] <Kirrus> bdmurray, would this be a correct command to download the source? "bzr checkout https://code.launchpad.net/update-manager/main"
[21:00] <InsClusoe> afflux: ok.. Just let me know if I can test something for you.
[21:00] <afflux> InsClusoe: yes, tyvm
[21:00] <bdmurray> Kirrus: I think 'bzr branch' appropriate
[21:01] <bdmurray> It actually shows you at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main
[21:01] <InsClusoe> afflux: welcome.
[21:02] <bdmurray> and I usually add the name of the local folder I want it to be, because otherwise it'll just be called main
[21:02] <bdmurray> so 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main update-manager.main' or something
[21:05] <Ricflomag> hi all, i'm looking for help to identify the right package for bug 69711, is this the right place ?
[21:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69711 in aspell-fr "Desktop apps spell-check problem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69711
[21:06] <bdmurray> Ricflomag: yes, it is the right place
[21:07] <seb128> there is debcheckout to get the source
[21:07] <seb128> it'll use bzr or whatever the control describes
[21:07] <Ricflomag> i thought is was aspell-fr but it seems that i was wrong
[21:08] <bdmurray> seb128: that's great I didn't know that
[21:08] <Ricflomag> the bug does seem to be related to french in particular, spanish is also affected for instance
[21:34] <InsClusoe> seb128: I would like to work on bug #26394 but I don't know where to start. Would be good if you can give me a few pointers.
[21:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 26394 in gnome-panel "Web browser button on top panel should open preferred application, rather than firefox/evolution" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26394
[21:46] <james_w> InsClusoe: as Loïc says first there need to be scripts written to launch the gconf configured apps, if they don't already exist.
[21:51] <InsClusoe> james_w: ok..
[21:54] <james_w> InsClusoe: they shouldn't need to be complicated, just use gconftool to get the configured preferred application, and launch it, falling back to firefox.
[21:54] <InsClusoe> hmm..
[21:56] <InsClusoe> ok.. thanks.. Let me figure out how gconftool works first...
[21:57] <Ricflomag> Sorry, anyone to give me a clue on finding the package for bug 69711 ?
[21:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69711 in ubuntu "Desktop apps spell-check problem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69711
[22:03] <james_w> Ricflomag: firefox on gutsy links to libhunspell, so it may be a bug in hunspell.
[22:04] <james_w> Ricflomag: I'm not positive though, but it could be the next step.
[22:04] <Ricflomag> thank you james_w, i'll check it
[22:06] <james_w> Ricflomag: there is a hunspell package that probably has a command line program you could test with.
[22:07] <Ricflomag> james_w: got it, many thanks.
[23:24] <Ricflomag> james_w: i've updated the bug in launchpad and filed a new report upstream. Thank you again.
[23:39] <afflux>  /w 3
[23:39] <afflux> bad irssi!
[23:46] <wolfger_> what package should a LiveCD bug be assigned to?
[23:50] <bdmurray> wolfger_: whatever package is affected. ;)  As it is probably is not specific to the Live CD.  What are experiencing?
[23:51] <wolfger_> I'm triaging Bug #180869 and the user says the problem is only on the LiveCD, not the final install
[23:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180869 in ubuntu "[hardy] Kubuntu Live CD fails to automount hard disk partitions in Hardy Heron alpha2" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180869
[23:53] <bdmurray> Hmm, that's interesting
[23:58] <bdmurray> wolfger_: the package for the live cd is casper but I don't think that is the issue
[23:58] <bdmurray> it's be interesting to find out what happens when they manually try to mount it


[14:25] <ericbarnes> Has any one seen any example of a cloud init script to auto mount a drive on startup?
[14:39] <kim0> ericbarnes: hey there .. u mean add entry to fstab? if you, bzr branch lp:cloud-init .. you will find in the examples directory an example doing just that, and perhaps executing mount -a at the end
[14:41] <ericbarnes> kim0 Thanks. Been looking at this one but I guess I am not understanding - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt
[14:41] <ericbarnes> Manually mounting I did it like this:
[14:41] <ericbarnes> echo "/dev/sdk  /vol  ext3     noatime  0 0" >> /etc/fstab - mkdir /vol - mount /vol
[14:42] <ericbarnes> So I was trying to convert that but I am sure this isn't right
[14:42] <ericbarnes> mounts: [/dev/sdk, /vol, ext3, "noatime,nobootwait", "0", "0"]
[14:42] <flaccid> replace - with ; heh
[14:42] <ericbarnes> Yea sorry. Just put them on one line for pasting :)
[14:44] <flaccid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit


[01:27] <amurray_> WantedBy=default.target is used by a lot of other packages already https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=WantedBy%3Ddefault.target&literal=1
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[09:41] <sil2100> Hey everyone!
[09:42] <sil2100> I was poking around various people for the snapd update verification. I think we have the overall validation done + the OEM install bug fix verified
[09:42] <sil2100> If there are no objections, I'll mark both as verified, get it landed in -updates and then, after it publishes fully, respin the world™
[09:55] <sil2100> ...no objections, so proceeding
[09:56] <sil2100> If anyone notices *any* new snap-related strangeness in the next days, please give me a sign
[09:56] <sil2100> We can always revert snapd
[11:31] <sil2100> Okay, looks like snapd is available
[11:31] <sil2100> Everyone! Spinning candidates!
[11:40] <luis220413> Ubuntu 22.10 Feature Freeze is approaching and I would like to get bug 1979893 fixed before that (because Varnish 7.x is a major release with many new features).
[11:41] <luis220413> Ubuntu Kinetic Feature Freeze is approaching and I would like to get bug 1979893 fixed before that (because Varnish 7.1.0 is a major release with many new features when compared with 6.6.1-1).
[11:41] <luis220413> The linked Debian bugs have not been responded to since June 26. I believe the libvmod-re2 source package should be removed from the Ubuntu archive and varnish-modules should not be built on armhf, or the test failures addressed or ignored on that architecture.
[11:41] <luis220413> See the bug for the rational
[11:41] <luis220413> *rationale
[11:46] <jbicha> luis220413: if you need a package removed, please also click the "Subscribe someone else" button on the bug report and add ubuntu-archive
[11:47] <luis220413> jbicha: Do you believe this removal should be done now? (Feature Freeze is on August 25.)
[11:48] <luis220413> s/done/requested/
[11:49] <jbicha> yes, it's good to get things done early :)
[11:52] <luis220413> jbicha: Subscribed. And I believe the build failure should be addressed by not building the package on armhf, because it is very bad to distribute a package where 80% of tests fail.
[12:00] <luis220413> And I believe this package has very little or no use on armhf, because this is a 32-bit architecture and Varnish, as a web cache, benefits from a large amount of memory (> 4 GB) that is only possible on 64-bit architectures.
[12:02] <luis220413> jbicha: Who can block a package from building in an architecture?
[12:03] <jbicha> someone needs to update the package's debian/control to specify what architectures it should build
[12:04] <luis220413> jbicha: This is a one-line change to debian/control. I will submit a debdiff in 2 minutes.
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[12:05] <jbicha> luis220413: have you ever filed a Debian bug? It might be good to ask the Debian maintainer if they want to make that change too?
[12:06] <luis220413> I have filed more than 5 bugs, and 4 are linked to in the Ubuntu bug I mentioned
[12:06] <luis220413> *Debian bugs
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[12:15] <luis220413> jbicha: OK, I will ask in the linked Debian bug for varnish-modules.
[12:16] <luis220413> On Thursday
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[12:21] <rbasak> luis220413: I suggest you state your actual request in the bug. Right now if someone reads the bug they won't understand what you're requesting.
[12:25] <luis220413> jbicha: I will submit the debdiff now.
[12:29] <luis220413> jbicha, rbasak: Done
[12:50] <luis220413> RAOF, bdmurray: I will like one of you to sponsor the SRU in bug 1969734 to jammy-proposed. I know the SRU queue is soft-frozen for 22.04.1, but this is a priority SRU for a fatal bug in a package seeded in Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio (and that I will get preinstalled in all Ubuntu flavors through a main inclusion report and metapackage changes).
[12:51] <luis220413> s/metapackage/package/
[12:56] <jbicha> luis220413: usually, main inclusion only affects future Ubuntu releases
[13:09] <luis220413> I will also get it preinstalled in Ubuntu Desktop and maybe Ubuntu Server
[13:10] <jbicha> Ubuntu Server doesn't use NM by default
[13:10] <luis220413> jbicha: But I will also file a SRU to get another preinstalled packages in Desktop (and maybe Server) to depend on the network-manager-openconnect and openconnect packages.
[13:10] <luis220413> jbicha: So what does it use to establish VPN connections?
[13:12] <luis220413> jbicha: But main inclusion can affect current and previous Ubuntu releases, as in bug 1956617
[13:13] <jbicha> there are exceptions. Include your reasoning for why there should be an exception to include it by default in 22.04 LTS in your main inclusion bug report
[13:17] <jbicha> Ubuntu Server recommends netplan which uses netword on servers by default. Maybe #ubuntu-server could help if you need more info than that
[13:17] <jbicha> *networkd
[13:17] <luis220413> jbicha: This is covered by point 3 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Other_safe_cases: "For Long Term Support releases we sometimes want to introduce new features."
[13:18] <jbicha> yes, there can be exceptions to add new dependencies to LTS releases. It's not the default so you'll have to specifically argue for it
[13:21] <luis220413> jbicha: OK
[13:25] <luis220413> jbicha: The default Ubuntu Server 22.04 image does not provide VPN support.
[13:26] <luis220413> jbicha: Ubuntu Server 22.04 does not provide VPN support by default.
[13:28] <luis220413> RAOF, bdmurray: (repeating my previous comment) I will like one of you to sponsor the SRU in bug 1969734 to jammy-proposed. I know the SRU queue is soft-frozen for 22.04.1, but this is a priority SRU for a fatal bug in a package seeded in Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio (and that I will get preinstalled in all Ubuntu flavors through a main inclusion report and metapackage changes).
[13:34] <luis220413> I will be back in 1 hour but remain online.
[13:59] <luis220413> I am back.
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[14:19] <lucasmoura> Hi sil2100, we are currently on the process of releasing version 27.10 of the ubuntu-advantage-tools package. However, can we release it normally to Jammy, due to the 22.04.1 freeze ?
[14:29] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: hellu, could you please move google-guest-agent from -proposed to -updates, please? cf: LP: #1959392
[14:51] <luis220413> bdmurray: (repeating my previous comment) I will like one of you to sponsor the SRU in bug 1969734 to jammy-proposed. I know the SRU queue is soft-frozen for 22.04.1, but this is a priority SRU for a fatal bug in a package seeded in Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio (and that I will get preinstalled in all Ubuntu flavors through a main inclusion report and metapackage changes).
[14:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> luis220413: We've had a talk about this, but you've got to stop being so insistent. They will get to it when/if they have time.
[14:53] <luis220413> Eickmeyer[m]: But I believe this is a priority SRU and that is what vanguards are for.
[14:53] <luis220413> I just want this in -proposed. This is just a matter of reviewing the differences and accepting the package.
[14:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> luis220413: But pinging someone over and over again is not the way. Once is good enough, they get to it when they have time, and it's up to them to evaluate whether or not it's priority.
[14:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, just because it's seeded does not mean it's priority. It's up to those flavor leads to evaluate whether or not it's priority and to approve it.
[14:55] <luis220413> Eickmeyer[m]: What is a priority SRU?
[14:56] <luis220413> bdmurray is the only SRU vanguard that is likely awake (and possibly working) now, according to the timezones in Launchpad profile pages.
[14:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> luis220413: I'm not on the SRU team, so it's not my place to say, but if I were to speculate it's usually something that fixes core functionality of the operating system.
[14:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes, Brian and I are in the same timezone.
[14:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> But Brian is very busy and has other responsibilities as well.
[14:58] <bdmurray> The SRU vanguard is for reviewing packages to accept into -proposed from the unapproved queue (after they've been sponsored) and for accepting packages into -updates from -proposed. I thought we had discussed this on Friday luis220413
[14:58] <luis220413> bdmurray: This is the first case. The package has already been sponsored into the -unapproved queue.
[14:59] <luis220413> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=openconnect
[14:59] <bdmurray> luis220413: okay, I saw you say 'sponsor' which means upload a debdiff to Ubuntu to me
[15:01] <luis220413> bdmurray: The debdiff is in the bug
[15:07] <tsimonq2> luis220413: Did you know that we have a sponsorship queue that's totally separate in both membership and duties to the SRU team? Ask in -devel for sponsors, don't ask here. It's not the best place for it.
[15:07] <tsimonq2> luis220413: Maybe after it's sponsored if all your ducks are in a row, yeah, perhaps ping the vanguard. once maybe in a day unless it's urgent.
[15:08] <luis220413> tsimonq2: Thanks! But I believe the package was already sponsored into the Unapproved queue.
[15:08] <luis220413> See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=openconnect
[15:08] <tsimonq2> luis220413: Pinging people over and over for something that's unrelated to what they're currently working on is counterproductive and annoying. You have a lot of energy, I see you're excited, and I've been there. I'm excited to see what you can do. Please, just take it slower.
[15:09] <tsimonq2> (As in, pinging an SRU vanguard for sponsorship when they're in the middle of their SRU groove)
[15:09] <luis220413> tsimonq2: OK, but bdmurray was likely sleeping or not working when I pinged him except for the last ping.
[15:09] <luis220413> According to the timezone in his Launchpad profile
[15:10] <tsimonq2> If it needs to be reviewed and it's in the correct spot, they will get to it. Pinging in IRC is only needed if the fix is particularly urgent or if it's been a while with no activity. In this case, it's still really fresh
[15:10] <luis220413> tsimonq2: It is in the queue since August 2
[15:10] <tsimonq2> While Brian may be happy to help if you asked him to at some point, I'm unsure he'll be as willing to help if you continue sending him a million notifications :)
[15:11] <tsimonq2> And it's August 9th. 22.04.1 was supposed to be released last week but it got delayed
[15:11] <tsimonq2> Again... patience and understanding where we're at in the cycle is everything here
[15:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> To dovetail on that, SRU acceptance can usually take more than a week.
[15:12] <luis220413> tsimonq2: I believe this fix is particularly urgent because it renders Ubuntu (with network-manager-openconnect installed) unable to connect to GlobalProtect VPNs with a common server-side configuration.
[15:13] <luis220413> tsimonq2: I believe reviewing this SRU and accepting it into jammy-proposed should take only a few minutes. This is the last notification for Brian Murray I will send.
[15:13] <luis220413> For this SRU
[15:14] <tsimonq2> Well, you certainly have the visibility now :)
[15:14]  * ogra LOLs about "a few minutes" 🙂
[15:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> luis220413: "only a few minutes" is not for you to decide.
[15:14] <luis220413> tsimonq2: Other than to get it into jammy-updates after it is in jammy-proposed and verified. The reporter has verified their PPA version with the same debdiff.
[15:14] <ogra> noe that two weeks is extremely fast for any SRU usually .... typically assume "several weeks"
[15:14] <ogra> *note
[15:15] <luis220413> Eickmeyer[m]: It is not a decision, but a personal estimate.
[15:15] <tsimonq2> luis220413: Don't worry too hard about this interaction - let's just be better about this in the future please. I want to see your contributions and I'm excited for them but this could be more productive for us all, that's all I'm saying :)
[15:15] <tsimonq2> Again, patience
[15:16] <tsimonq2> You have the visibility. There isn't much more you can say at this point to get it bumped up without Desktop Team backing. I'm sorry
[15:16] <ogra> luis220413, but who are yu to estimate other peoples time (other people that are i.e. currently extremely busy fixing the regression screwup for 22.04.1 ... you are distracting them constantly from their work since a few days)
[15:18] <luis220413> I will leave now but I will see your replies in the logs.
[15:19] <ogra> please d not take it personal ... but tere are processes involved etc and a good estimate for any SRU is weeks, not minutes or day...
[15:19] <ogra> *days
[15:19] <luis220413> ogra: Why does it take so long to review the patch in a priority SRU?
[15:20] <tsimonq2> Agreed, definitely not personal from me either. I've been in your shoes and I get it. I'll say it again, patience is key here
[15:20] <tsimonq2> Because your definition of priority is different...
[15:21] <ogra> because people need to have spare time to do it, it is voluntary work for most of them ... and then there ar processes, different teams involved (as you just learned above, i.e. sponsors are different from SRU vanguards or archive admins etc)
[15:21] <luis220413> tsimonq2: Yes. For me, a priority SRU is a SRU that fixes one or more bugs with very high severity.
[15:21] <bdmurray> The SRU team is somewhat understaffed given that sil_2100 and aI have taken on additional responsibilities. The SRU team is working on the staffing issue though.
[15:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Just from my personal experience as a relatively new contributer, an SRU is "high-priority" when there's a deadline to meet and we're racing against the clock. For instance, I've seen at least two SRUs happen in the blink on an eye because they had to get in before the point release.
[15:21] <luis220413> luis220413: I am not taking this personally.
[15:22] <ogra> 🙂
[15:22] <ogra> good
[15:22] <luis220413> tsimonq2*: I am not taking this personally.
[15:22] <luis220413> I must really leave now but I will see your replies in the logs.
[15:22] <tsimonq2> All good :) just work on it okay? They'll get to it as soon as they can
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[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> The Ubuntu Studio 22.04.1 ISO doesn't seem to have built.
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait nevermind, found it, the link is just wrong.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> They don't get built until right about now.
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> The link to the ISO on the QA tracker is pointing to a nonexistent folder where Kinetic images should have gone, but asking for a Jammy image.
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> So... no wonder it didn't work.
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> The real link is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/jammy/dvd/20220809/
[18:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, that's bad.
[18:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> sil2100: The links on the iso tracker are messed-up.
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[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't think this is a regression, but autologin isn't working on Ubuntu Studio (despite having checked the box, the system still requires a password at bootup). I've noticed this same problem on Studio Kinetic. Mentioning it here since it might be an easy fix that we can get in before the .1 release.
[19:40] <arraybolt3[m]> (For just in case, I'm doing a test to see if it's a regression now.)
[19:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: #ubuntu-studio-devel:matrix.org please...
[19:47] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer[m], arraybolt3[m]: Fixed the Ubuntu Studio download links
[19:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> bdmurray: Awesome, thanks!
[19:48] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/ Thank you!
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[20:49] <sil2100> arraybolt3[m], Eickmeyer[m]: sadly, no more fixes other than critical-release-blockers from now on!
[20:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> sil2100: Yeah, no worries, it's not a regression anyhow.
[20:51] <sil2100> I mean, any respins starting tomorrow might be problematic, as there are new kernels in the pipeline
[20:51] <sil2100> I can't keep the flood gates closed for too long ;p
[20:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I've got an SRU or two I'm waiting on, but nothing critical.
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