[07:45] <Fritzel> I don't know it's a Q6600 I have no idea how to figure that out
[07:46] <gerro> found several ways to fix sound but still don't work on mine
[07:46] <gerro> anyone need help?
[07:46] <bluecake> macogw, i was wiping windows, so, might as well, wipe /dev/sda clean
[07:46] <RAOF> Fritzel: Then you do.
[07:46] <gerro> RAOF: hey sup man
[07:46] <macogw> bluecake: you could install hardy now then and beta test a bit
[07:46] <RAOF> Fritzel: In which case, I'd suggest trying virt-manager.  Nice, simple, fast, and requires no extra kernel modules :)
[07:47] <Fritzel> is it someone userfriendly?
[07:47] <bluecake> macogw, hm.. i suppose i can....
[07:47] <bluecake> macogw, but might as well wait. i have another box running ubuntu remotely
[07:48] <Fritzel> and I'm guessing virtualbox doesn't have those options?
[07:48] <gerro> what is the difference between amixer and alsamixer?
[07:48] <RyanPrior> gerro: lsa
[07:49]  * macogw snorts
[07:49] <Fritzel> someone = somewhat
[07:49] <gerro> RYanPrior: lsa?
[07:49] <gerro> RyanPrior: do you mean asl? lol
[07:50] <gerro> seriously though anyone mind posting me what /etc/group should look like for hardy on a system with working sound?
[07:51] <macogw> gerro: its just plain broken today
[07:52] <gerro> macogw: you mean no one has sound? that's bs
[07:52] <gerro> did they go back a kernel?
[07:53] <gerro> brb
[07:53] <macogw> gerro: no
[07:53] <macogw> im on -16
[07:53] <insomninja> huj
[07:53] <insomninja> meh
[07:53] <macogw> im in the sound group
[07:53] <insomninja> wrong window
[07:55] <karmelek> insomninja: are u from poland?
[07:56] <macogw> karmelek: i dont think that's that kind of j
[07:56] <macogw> karmelek: i think its supposed to say ninja
[08:00] <gerro> ah back tried reboot still no clue
[08:01] <macogw> gerro: that i was in the sound group was the first thing i checked.  that has nothing to do with it
[08:01] <macogw> and im using -16
[08:02] <gerro> oh
[08:02] <gerro> well why am I getting error with alsamixer and pulseaudio? is it apparmor?
[08:03] <macogw> gerro: the error i get clicking on the gnome mixer is that there are no sound devices in existence on my computer. thats also what the sound preferences thing tells me.
[08:03] <gerro> I havesound devices
[08:03] <gerro> and the module executes fine
[08:03] <macogw> oh ok
[08:03] <gerro> its just not working
[08:04] <macogw> well im going to go study processor design
[08:04] <gerro> wait
[08:04] <macogw> because i have n exam on it in8 hours
[08:04] <macogw> and i need to sleep between now and then
[08:04] <gerro> do you have an option of surround under preferences?
[08:04] <karmelek> macogw: i had it yesterday
[08:04] <gerro> someone said they needed that checked
[08:04] <macogw> gerro: i cant.  how can i have surround with no audio card?
[08:05] <gerro> ok well do you know what module it is that's messing up?
[08:05] <macogw> my computer claims it is completely *incapable* of generating any sounds whatsoever
[08:05] <macogw> that depends entirely on what sound card you have
[08:05] <karmelek> you have to choose alsa in system sound preferences
[08:05] <gerro> macogw: is it unclaimed or disabled under lshw?
[08:06] <gerro> karmelek umm cli plz
[08:06] <DanaG> Processor design?  Cool.
[08:06] <DanaG> I'm a (third-year) Computer Engineering student at Cal Poly, myself.
[08:06] <macogw> gerro: yes, as is my video card (which works) and my wireless card
[08:07] <macogw> DanaG: its computer architectures 2. we just happen to have an exam on how to build ALUs and how to implement the MIPS ISA in hardware tomorrow
[08:07] <gerro> macogw: they're disabled and unclaimed?
[08:07] <macogw> gerro: theyre unclaimed
[08:07] <karmelek> gerro: what do u mean? i don't know English very well
[08:07] <macogw> my screen is unclaimed as well
[08:07] <DanaG> We did it in software in my class.
[08:07] <gerro> karmelek command to do that
[08:07] <DanaG> But we did a previous "simple 4-bit computer" in a previous class.
[08:08] <karmelek> gerro: don't remember - in gnome it is under Preferences
[08:08] <macogw> DanaG: no verilog on this exam unfortunately. as a cs student, vhdl is preferred a lot over draw-the-gates
[08:08] <karmelek> gerro: alsamixed detects your card?
[08:08] <DanaG> VHDL is a pain.  Whoever thought of using those **** arrows seriously needs a slap on the face.
[08:09] <gerro> yes everything is detected fine
[08:09] <macogw> DanaG: arrows? maybe im confused. i thought verilog and vhdl were teh same...i dont recall arrows in verilog
[08:09] <gerro> when I click the panel speaker icon and choose file then options nothing will checkmark there
[08:10] <DanaG> We used vhdl.
[08:10] <DanaG> For the 4-bit thingy, that is.
[08:10] <macogw> DanaG: oh i thought they were the same thing. maybe they're not.  signs i need to go study....
[08:10] <DanaG> I've never seen verilog, myself.
[08:11] <gerro> pulseaudio supports sound over the network right so do I even need working sound on this system to use ubuntu 7.10 sound on a different system!?
[08:11] <gerro> wait no that probably won't work
[08:11] <DanaG> You can play to a different computer if you copy .pulse-cookie from one to the other.
[08:12] <gerro> oh
[08:12] <DanaG> Use paprefs to enable networked usage.
[08:12] <macogw> DanaG: oh ok. the v in vhdl isnt verilog...its like vhsic or something. ok. well here, google says to look at this: http://www.asic-world.com/verilog/veritut.html
[08:13] <DanaG> Or use padevchooser to set default server to the other computer.
[08:13] <gerro> acpi -t doesn't work anymore for me :(
[08:17] <DanaG> Oh wow, Verilog looks _sane_ -- notation is more like C.
[08:19] <DanaG> Anyway, I think I should go to bed now.
[08:19] <DanaG> Tue Apr 15 00:19:56 PDT 2008
[08:20] <gerro> anyone know what this dmesg part might mean? http://pastebin.com/m43517445 I think its similar to bug #211644
[08:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211644 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy] Sound card hda Intel doesn't work with kernel 2.6.24 series" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211644
[08:22] <Fritzel> do you think I could get enough speed out of virtual box running vista to play warcraft III? wine just simply isn't reliable for saving
[08:23] <Fritzel> s/vista/xp/
[08:23] <gerro> Fritzel: no direct rendering
[08:23] <Fritzel> old game
[08:23] <gerro> isn't that old lol
[08:23] <Fritzel> it is for Quad core 2 with 4gb of ram
[08:23] <gerro> dude it don't matter if you can't direct render the graphics
[08:24] <Fritzel> can't at all?
[08:24] <DanaG> WC3 is a 3D game of some sort.  VBox does not do 3D.  Period.
[08:24] <gerro> try a different wine guide maybe? I had it going well before
[08:24] <DanaG> In fact, even Microsoft Virtual PC (emulates S3 Trio) is better.
[08:24] <Fritzel> it works fine, and it saves most of the time
[08:24] <Fritzel> it just doesn't save all the tiem
[08:24] <Fritzel> and when it fails the save it crashes
[08:24] <Fritzel> which isn't playable
[08:25] <gerro> DanaG: I still like that seamless mode virtualbox has
[08:25] <DanaG> I have a DirectX 3.0 game (SimCopter) that only works properly in a W98 VM in MS Virtual PC, WITH the host CPU throttled to 300MHz (yes, throttled, not just speedstep'd).
[08:26] <Fritzel> ok well is there any virtual-box like program that does allow direct rendering via drivers or something
[08:26] <gerro> DanaG: wow.. even oldest system I have at least has 400mhz
[08:27] <gerro> Fritzel: what wine version you using anyway?
[08:27] <Fritzel> .59
[08:27] <Fritzel> I update several times a day I'm alwasy current
[08:27] <gerro> Fritzel: grab an older copy like the appdb says and custom compile it don't install system wide though specify where in ./configure
[08:28] <DanaG> By "Host CPU" I mean my Core Duo 1.83GHz.
[08:28] <DanaG> Using RMClock, I set it to run 1GHz, and throttle to making 2/3 of cycles be NOP.
[08:28] <gerro> Fritzel: did you patch the game up too?
[08:29] <Fritzel> Yep current as of yesterday
[08:30] <Fritzel> there is a saving bug on appdb, it's not just me, which is why I wanted to try the full emulation route
[08:31] <gerro> ahah I found a fix for sound!
[08:32] <gerro> Fritzel: or perhaps a way to save state for wine thereby bypassing the need for a game save
[08:32] <gerro> Fritzel: like normal emulaters do
[08:33] <Fritzel> I don't think that'd work, wine doesn't really emulate, it translates
[08:34] <RAOF> Or even implements, in roughly the same way Windows does.
[08:37] <Wobbo> my webcam is built in up-side-down in my laptop, is there any way of configuring v4l to correct this?
[08:38] <Fritzel> wow someone was asleep that evening
[08:38] <gerro> pulseaudio -vv explains a lot
[08:38] <Wobbo> this is not really a hardy question but i am on hardy atm
[08:46] <gerro> Wobbo: you might be able to pipe the webcam input through imagemagick and run a flip for it but probably best to look for faster method
[08:48] <Wobbo> gerro, kinda like the early skype webcam pipe for non supported webcams
[08:49] <gerro> umm no clue
[08:49] <robin92> Hello, I have a problem to install jeos-8.04-beta on vmware, can u help me??
[08:49] <gerro> jeos?
[08:49] <gumby600m> Anyone know when Hardy is supposed to come out (i.e. something like "days" or "weeks" is what I'm looking for here)
[08:49] <DanaG> oh hey, for the rotated camera:
[08:49] <gerro> robin92: dude its called hardy..
[08:49] <_ruben> robin92: whats the problem?
[08:49] <DanaG> gstreamer-properties
[08:49] <topyli> gumby600m: 24th this month
[08:49] <orvokki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[08:50] <DanaG> Perhaps you can set a custom "pipeline" -- but I don't have a clue how to do it.
[08:50] <_ruben> gerro: jeos is a stripped down version designed for use in virtualization products, like vmware
[08:50] <_ruben> just enough os
[08:50] <pheld> Wobbo: what kind of webcam? Some drivers like uvcvideo do handle flip within the driver. Check module options for your driver
[08:50] <gumby600m> topyli, orvokki:  thanks!
[08:50] <robin92> The installation can't install "GRUB" (Sorry for my very bad english)
[08:50] <gumby600m> l8r sk8rs
[08:50] <gerro> _ruben: ah ok
[08:50]  * orvokki is excited at the RC being out in a few days
[08:50] <DanaG> Sounds like physical rotate, not logical mirror.
[08:51] <gerro> wow 9 days until release? aren't they going to push it back?
[08:52] <DanaG> Time for me to go to bed.
[08:52] <DanaG> Tue Apr 15 00:52:04 PDT 2008
[08:52] <orvokki> The next stage isn't release anyway, it's release candidate.
[08:52] <RAOF> gerro: No current plans, no.  Why?
[08:52] <gerro> oh ok
[08:52] <gerro> just it seems so unstable compared to gutsy's release
[08:53] <_ruben> robin92: strange, did you do some odd partitioning or smth?
[08:53] <orvokki> Hmm? I haven't really noticed it being unstable.
[08:53] <orvokki> gerro: Have you been reporting bugs actively on your issues?
[08:53] <gerro> nah most them already reported
[08:54] <gerro> most just getting "undecided" or "low" priority :/
[08:54] <robin92> _ruben-> no I have just enstalled the cd an do OK, OK, OK
[08:55] <robin92> _ruben-> no I have just installed the cd and do OK, OK, OK
[08:56] <_ruben> robin92: odd, i did a rather basic jeos install the other day and it went without any problems
[08:57] <Wobbo> pheld: i am having trouble finding the driver my webcam is using
[08:58] <pheld> Wobbo: start with lsusb and see if you can identify the cam there. Most cams, even those built-into laptops are usbcams
[08:58] <robin92> nobody knows why I have this problem?
[08:59] <robin92> When I installed "jeos-8.04-beta" on vmware, the cd can't install GRUB
[09:00] <Wobbo> yes that i found
[09:01] <pheld> Wobbo: it should be possible to identify the driver from the camera's usb:id
[09:03] <Wobbo> thanks, i found it lsmod showed me its an uvcvideo
[09:06] <Fritzel> ok I'm watching a youtube video on the virtualbox after installing the virtualbox drivers and I'm getting a better framerate than I did in xp native
[09:06] <Fritzel> so I don't know Warcraft might be an option
[09:07] <robin92> I try to insrt
[09:07] <Fritzel> I can't try it though till I finish installing 98 on another box heh
[09:08] <robin92> I try to installed "jeos-8.04-beta" on vmware, but during the installation, a message appear to saiy that he can  not install GRUB, can you help me? please
[09:15] <robin92> _ruben, wich version of VMWare were you using? I tried on VMware GSX Server and the live CD does not even load. I tried on VMware ESX server and grub can't install.
[09:17] <robin92> concerning the install of jeos under vmware server maybe I should ask on another channel, either #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu-virt
[09:25] <_ruben> robin92: i used vmware server 1.0.4
[09:26] <pheld> Wobbo: don't think the uvcvideo-module has options to flip the image. It is however possible to build a patched driver that overrides the behaviour for specific devices. See http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-289836.html (search for 'flip')
[09:28] <Wobbo> pheld: thanks man!
[09:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all, I am having big troubles with intel wifi under hardy
[09:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I use my home router (seems like because I go 802.11b) transfer rate drops doooooown
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Bug #176271
[09:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176271 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "major throughput difference (between upload and download) when using iwl3945" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176271
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> somebody knows a solution or experienced this problem?
[09:31] <RAOF> Le-Chuck_ITA: Install the linux-backports-modules package; you get a newer version of iwl which works better.
[09:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> RAOF: I did that
[09:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I even installed the compat-wireless drivers from their website
[09:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> RAOF: sometimes it works fast but more often it becomes unbearable
[09:32] <robin92> _ruben, I used VMware ESX Server Version 3.5.0 and VMware GSX Server Version 2.4.21
[09:33] <_ruben> robin92: ive heard ppl installing it on esx without problems, not sure if that was 3.5 tho, might've been 3.0.1 or so
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> here I am again
[09:37] <portablejim> Does Hardy Have the latest Firefox 3? Will it keep pace with Firefox 3 development (within reason)? Or is this the wrong thread for these questions?
[09:38] <pheld> Wobbo: more in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-561433.html
[09:38] <macogw> portablejim: yes, i believe so
[09:39] <corinth> portablejim: The Hardy Beta ships with Firefox 3 beta 5
[09:40] <pheld> portablejim: firefox and tunderbird are among the few applications in ubuntu which are more or less syncronised to upstream versions, even between ubuntu-releases
[09:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nobody else has troubles with iwlwifi and 802.11b
[09:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[09:45] <topyli> portablejim: i would think it will be updated to 3.0 final once it's out, but no further unless there are security fixes that cannot be backported to 3.0
[09:45] <topyli> as a rule, stable releases will have the same software forever
[09:46] <pheld> topyli: that would be a significant change from how 2.0.0.x has been handled
[09:46] <topyli> pheld: oh. so 2.0 has been updated to new upstream versions routinely?
[09:47] <topyli> what a strange policy
[09:47] <portablejim> and that's why it is harder to get FF3 on Gutsy??
[09:47] <pheld> topyli: just saying that FF and TB don't follow the same pattern as most other packages
[09:47] <topyli> it's not hard at all portablejim, you can download it from mozilla and install
[09:48] <orvokki> Also you can use community repositores and install it with aptitude.
[09:48] <orvokki> I've heard there exists a Gutsy package for it.
[09:48] <topyli> pheld: i guess security fixes are more difficult to backport with mozilla stuff then
[09:49] <topyli> adding new functionality and new bugs to a stable system seems very strange to me
[09:49] <portablejim> please note that I used the word harder.
[09:51] <portablejim> Thanks for the info. I look forward for the final release.
[09:58] <yacc> How do I prevent the "autorun" on AudioCDs?
[09:59] <DarkMageZ> yacc, possibly system > preferences > preferred applications. > multimedia.
[10:00] <yacc> DarkMageZ: That only allows to select me totem or rhythmbox
[10:00] <DarkMageZ> yacc, and custom ッ throw in no command
[10:00] <yacc> DarkMageZ: The problem is that I want to rip a stack of CDs and rythmbox is rather slow at ripping.
[10:01] <yacc> DarkMageZ: Hope that was it :)
[10:01] <DarkMageZ> there's a reason some programs are slower at ripping than others. tho in some cases, some programs are just crap.
[10:02] <DarkMageZ> some programs throw in error detection & correction, others throw in heavy weight encoders.
[10:04] <bennyf11> hello having issue with broadcom wifi, please assist
[10:04] <robin92> Hello! I try to installed "jeos-8.04-beta" on vmware GSX, but during the installation, a message appear to say that he can not install GRUB, can you help me? please I ask my question on several chanel because I need an answer quickly
[10:05] <robin92> not GSX but ESX
[10:05] <yacc> DarkMageZ: yeah, but Sound Juicer seems to work fine for me scratchy collection ;)
[10:06] <yacc> DarkMageZ: And rhythmbox is underwhelming, e.g. I did not manage to make it play online radio streams (neither WMA nor naked MP3 streams), that totem plays fine ;(
[10:07] <topyli> sounds like you have a different rhythmbox than i :)
[10:08] <yacc> topyli: uptodate hardy.
[10:08] <DarkMageZ> yacc, the rhythmbox developers are awake. you can jab them with a pen in irc.gnome.org #rhythmbox ッ
[10:08] <bennyf11> anyone having issues with broadcom wireless pci card
[10:09] <yacc> topyli: not that it does not look nice, but it claims a data error, e.g. mms://gcssrv.pkf.speednet.at/WSX/oe3_live
[10:10] <topyli> yacc: plays just fine
[10:10] <topyli> the music is terrible though :)
[10:11] <yacc> :-P
[10:11] <bennyf11> anyone able to help with a wifi issue, broadcom wifi pci card
[10:12] <pheld> DarkMageZ: application (or none) for removable devices are now set in nautilus preferences
[10:12] <yacc> Still that leaves the question how to make rhythmbox ignore the CD drive?
[10:13] <topyli> indeed
[10:13] <DarkMageZ> pheld, ah. that's new. is that new in 2.22 has it been there for longer?
[10:14] <pheld> new in 2.22 afik
[10:14] <topyli> ooh new "Media" tab
[10:14] <DarkMageZ> yacc, they're awake. they just don't watch the channel all the time. they'll see your message eventually.
[10:14] <pheld> yacc: stop rb if you don't want it to poll the cd ;)
[10:15] <yacc> pheld: that stops it playing the music too?
[10:18] <pheld> yacc: so you want rb to play music while ripping with another app?  You could try to turn off the audiocd plugin in rh via gconf-editior, but this is hightly unsupported territory
[10:19] <yacc> gconf-editor ;) Doesn't that sound like registry hacking to me?
[10:20] <pheld> yacc: sure (not my favorite part of gnome)
[10:25] <yacc> pheld: ;(
[10:25] <playya> where are the gnome logs?
[10:25] <yacc> pheld: it also sucks that one seems to need to look through HTML code to find stream urls to add to RB.
[10:27] <pen_> is there a way to change the encoding of a filename?
[10:31] <topyli> playya: gnome as such has no logs
[10:32] <topyli> playya: apps keep logs when necessary
[10:32] <playya> ok
[10:32] <ccooke> Hmm
[10:33] <playya> gdm shows no errors but my gnome panel doesn't start
[10:33]  * ccooke just installed Hardy on his Work desktop (been running it on a laptop at home for a while)
[10:33] <topyli> playya: try ~/.xsession-errors
[10:33] <ccooke> I don't see the screens and graphics configuration applet - has it been removed?
[10:33] <Amaranth> yes
[10:33] <playya> and i cannot start anything
[10:33] <Amaranth> it was pretty horribly broken
[10:33] <ccooke> Ah. No replacement?
[10:33] <playya> tried it with /exec out of xchat
[10:33] <Amaranth> ccooke: replacement is Screen Resolution
[10:34] <Amaranth> assuming you're not using nvidia or fglrx
[10:34] <ccooke> *ah* :-)
[10:34] <Amaranth> for those use nvidia-settings and catalyst control
[10:34] <ccooke> and if you are?
[10:34] <ccooke> Okay, great. Thanks!
[10:34] <topyli> playya: alt-f2
[10:35] <Amaranth> ccooke: using the screens and graphics tool to, for example, enable multihead on nvidia would break compiz
[10:35] <Amaranth> the method it used to setup multihead is broken in nvidia and deprecated and/or unsupported in open source drivers
[10:36] <playya> topyli, nope. nothing starts
[10:36] <ccooke> yeah, it was... ugly.
[10:36] <topyli> playya: get a console then, see what your .xsession-errors has
[10:36] <playya> i have set the circular menu on alt+f3. it starts but can't start anything
[10:36] <ccooke> hmm. If this is the case, shouldn't fglrx-control be installed by the restricted driver manager, then?
[10:41] <nathan_> Guys, it seems avahi is messing things up, can I safely remove it? I see it had a dependency to ubuntu-desktop, which would be removed too
[10:41] <yacc> pheld: any hints how to make rb really look for new mp3 in the ~/Musik folder and subfolders? (Not sure if I'm again doing something wrong, but just clicking on the checkbox to watch for new files seems not work as advertised for me :(( )
[10:49] <_Rambaldi_> i tried installing vmware player, but i hit a snag, it saids there is a not prebuilt modules for my kernel
[10:51] <aLone> hy, i need bugs, if u have, pm me, thx friend
[10:51] <_Rambaldi_> huh
[10:53] <playya> hi again
[10:53] <playya> how can i create a default gtkrc-2.0?
[10:57] <_Rambaldi_> this place is dead, no one is awake
[11:00]  * tanner should be asleep
[11:00] <tanner> but cannot stop playing with Cisco Call manager :(
[11:11] <ccooke> heh. It seems I have accidentally enabled anti-aliasing on my main desktop. That looks... *wrong*
[11:16] <ccooke> ... and there doesn't appear to be a way to disable it again?  New and removed files are detected. It does happen somtimes that I get extra bogus entries if I move files around manually and/or rename tracks, but those are easily removed from the list.
[11:27] <yacc> pheld: how do you rename doubles?
[11:29] <nathan_> Can someone tell me how to get rid of avahi or disable it?
[11:29] <pheld> yacc: when I find duplicates I just click to play to fid out which one is bogus, and choose remove from the music browser window
[11:32] <yacc> pheld: well I managed to create doubles to point to the same file, I wondered if there is an automatic way to do this :)
[11:32] <yacc> Which opens the question where rb stores it's catalog, ...
[11:33] <pheld> ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox
[11:33] <negge> I'm going to reinstall hardy today when i get home, I copied my home folder to a safe place
[11:34] <negge> when I've finished reinstalling, is it safe to restore the home folder or can something get screwed up?
[11:41] <pheld> negge: avoid restoration of hidden files and directories in your homedir if you want to make sure all applications keep their default behaviour after reinstall. And correct owner/group on restored files if the uid/gid for your account has changed after reinstall.
[11:41] <oeriksen> I just did 'update-manager -d' and at the release notes it says "THIS IS A RELEASE CANDIDATE". Is the RC released? Thought that wasn't until thursday...
[11:42] <negge> pheld: I will be using the same username as before
[11:42] <negge> I'll keep the backups just in case, I don't have many programs installed so reconfiguring them all won't take long anyway
[11:43] <pheld> negge: the username doesn't really matter - it is just a string that is displayed. UID and GID is what counts in the filesystem
[11:48] <ccooke> ... This is really odd.
[11:48] <ccooke> Suddenly, all my fonts are blurry. Nothing obvious seems to fix it.
[11:49] <crimsun> vladi_: if you're referring to the usage of ufw, see the contents of /var/lib/ufw/
[11:51] <ccooke> ah ha!
[11:52] <ccooke> ... Setting compiz' quality to 'Good' or 'Best' gets me blurry text.
[11:52] <ccooke> so, it *is* AA
[11:52] <ttkeppi> anyone know if there will be a proper driver for via chrome9 / P4M900? Tried openchrome with bad results..and seems like there is no restricted drivers available.
[11:54] <vladi_> crimsun: is there a simple way to switch on logging of all iptables events?
[12:09] <askand> Am I the only one getting very few updates?
[12:17] <vladi_> I've update more than a dozen packets today. It depends on the number of installed packages and how often you do it..:-)
[12:42] <decay> after some compiz updates yesterday, my borders aren't showing. any thoughts?
[12:43] <BonezAU> evening all
[12:45] <yacc> decay: stop toying around metacity is enough too :-P
[12:46] <decay> yacc: :P
[12:47] <Dr_willis> seems there were quite a few updates for compiz and X just now when i updated
[12:47] <Derspankster> decay: You could try to add these two lines to your xorg.conf, backup first, Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[12:47] <Derspankster> Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
[12:47] <zniavre> http://www.hostingpics.net/pics/28303hardy.jpg >how to modify the ccsm button please?
[12:47] <zniavre> oops wrong place sorry i believed i was in gnome-artr
[12:49] <decay> Derspankster: which section do i add that to
[12:51] <BonezAU> yay kernel 16
[12:51] <Derspankster> decay: in the Screens section. Back-up first please. I can't guarantee this will work.
[12:56] <Derspankster> decay; did you give it a go?
[12:58] <_Rambaldi_> how do i access my usb drive in vbox,
[12:58] <Dr_willis> I think you need the virtual box from the web site.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> i belive it got mentioned yesterday in here. that vbox cant access usb devices in the free version.. but then someone said the latest on the web site for vbox did allow it.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> but i dont know that for a fact.
[13:00] <_Rambaldi_> Dr_willis, i have the non-free version, and i can select usb device but it still does not show in my computer
[13:02] <Dr_willis> try the one from the web site then.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> it might be enabled now.. then again.. it may be alimitation in the free version
[13:04] <jepler> I would expect 'shared folders' to work equally for USB and non-USB devices
[13:04] <_Rambaldi_> the one i have is from the website, there was not one for hardy so i dl the gutsy non-free Dr_willis
[13:07] <jepler> but does anyone know why I can't boot 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 inside openbox-ose running on 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04?  After finishing the boot screen, it says "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU".  Are amd64 guests also not in the free edition, or is there some setting I haven't found yet?
[13:07] <Dr_willis> I just use samba, and copy things over to my local machine.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> jepler,   i would not be suprised at that limitation. But i dont use vbox for muh other then testing live cd iso images
[13:08] <jepler> Dr_willis: same here, as well as sometimes checking correct package dependencies.  but I am going to do it for a 64-bit install as well..
[13:14] <jepler> oh, I guess it supports 64-bit hosts, not 64-bit guests..
[13:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. everytime i boot this pc. with my external usb hd attatched it makes a HitachiData/  HitachiData_/  HitachiData__/  and so on dir in /media. :) every new boot makes a new one with one more _
[13:16] <Dr_willis> How... weird
[13:21] <whitehawk> re
[13:22] <Dr_willis> re?
[13:22] <Lamego> join #ubuntu-dev
[13:22] <Lamego> ops
[13:40] <cwillu> Dr_willis, comes from the drive not being unmounted
[13:40] <cwillu> Dr_willis, not sure if they're fixing it
[13:42] <Dr_willis> so every crash it does it. :) heh..
[13:42] <Dr_willis> well night all
[13:50] <Asashi> Guys, i have a problem. I'm under Hardy, and have installed the fglrx driver throught the restricted drivers manager. Everytime i enable compiz, i get a white screen. When i try to detect the fglrx driver with fglrxinfo command, the console says that i'm using a MESA driver. Checked xorg.conf, but it says that i'm using fglrx. What's going on, and how can i resolve this?
[13:55] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone getting random freezes since the last updates?
[13:59] <nickrud> Asashi you still here?
[14:00] <Asashi> Sure, i'm here
[14:00] <nickrud> did you try installing the driver from ati before you used the restricted manager?
[14:01] <Asashi> Yep, trough Envy NG
[14:01] <Asashi> But didn't tried the manual install yet
[14:01] <nickrud> Asashi bummer.
[14:02] <nickrud> did you try uninstalling it with ng?
[14:02] <nickrud> before you did the restricted manager?
[14:04] <Asashi> Yes, i wasn't using fglrx in gutsy, before upgrading to hardy. First i installed with envy ng, the installation was sucessful, but i got a white screen when enabling compiz. Then, i uninstalled through envy ng, rebooted and tried to install through restricted drivers manager
[14:04] <Asashi> And got the same white screen when enabling compiz
[14:04] <nathan_> Guys, any idea why usb devices are not recognized?
[14:04] <nathan_> neither my WD passport ext drive nor a USB stick get picked up or shown by lsusb
[14:05] <Sergeant_Pony> works here...
[14:06] <nickrud> Asashi try reinstalling the libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx packages
[14:06] <Asashi> Okie. Reboot after installing?
[14:06] <nickrud> shouldn't be necessary, but couldn't hurt. Try logging out and back in first.
[14:06] <Asashi> okie
[14:06] <bewst> Is ubuntu planning to release another beta in light of the fact that grub-install fails with the latest one?
[14:07] <Amaranth> We'll have a RC soonish
[14:07] <Amaranth> Probably Friday
[14:08] <nathan_> any tools/apps/mods I need for usb to work?
[14:08] <Amaranth> no
[14:09] <savvas> hehehe
[14:09] <bews1> An RC might be a little too close to frozen
[14:09] <nathan_> hmm, usb works with some livecd's, so it must be related to this ubuntu installation
[14:09] <Asashi> nickrud, fglrxinfo still says that i'm using mesa indirect. There's a way to force fglrx?
[14:10] <savvas> I just wish they'd resolve that issue with the "broken" titlebar and compiz
[14:10] <nickrud> Asashi this is afer a reboot? You might have module mismatch, and that's the simplest way to reset that
[14:11] <_Rambaldi_> i finally found way to transfer files from my vbox, thanks to all those who helped
[14:11] <Asashi> Well, let's try the reboot
[14:11] <Asashi> brb
[14:11] <nickrud> Asashi if you still have problems, try #compiz they are experts at compiz
[14:11] <savvas> _Rambaldi_: the manual has everything you need for such stuff
[14:15] <hischild> Am i correct when assuming that vmware won't properly run with hardy? I'm having trouble getting it to work.
[14:17] <savvas> hischild: i think they don't support hardy yet
[14:17] <hischild> savvas, i think it's more the kernel. Even better, i'm fairly sure when i revert to an older kernel it'll work. But i just don't like to reboot to my old one again
[14:18] <savvas> you mean kernel headers for vmware?
[14:18] <_Rambaldi_> i couldnot get vmware to run as well vmon modules not found blah..
[14:18] <afflux> huh, I've a kernel module to insert (something.mod.o), but modprobe can't find it (propably because it's not .ko). Is there a way to make a real module from it?
[14:18] <hischild> savvas, sort of. When running an older kernel, it'll use that kernel header files which are compatible
[14:18] <hischild> afflux, what module?
[14:19] <hischild> savvas, also, i found a topic claiming it has a way it works. Checking it now.
[14:19] <afflux> hischild: hm, a rather old ath_hal. I just noticed that something seems to be missing, will try re-installing (not hardy)
[14:20] <hischild> afflux, heh don't bother to reinstall, fixing is usually easier. You're talking about madwifi?
[14:20] <afflux> yes
[14:20] <savvas> hischild: good luck, i made the switch to virtualbox some months ago :)
[14:20] <afflux> hischild: the one from linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic, somehow the .ko file does not seem to be on the disk.
[14:21] <hischild> savvas, i need the proper host-router way that vmware does, with assigning the correct ip's and stuff. Virtualbox always seems to go to the 10.0.*.* range
[14:21] <hischild> afflux, i'm fairly sure you could just mount it with modprobe then.
[14:21] <savvas> bummer :\
[14:21] <afflux> hischild: oh, wait. I misread something. looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/i386/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic/filelist I don't find any .ko file for it
[14:22] <hischild> savvas, on the other hand ... do you happen to have experience with kvm? from what i've read it seems fairly promising
[14:23] <hischild> afflux, misreading happens.
[14:24] <savvas> hischild: nope, I just needed something to periodically check out some documents I convert to ms office format
[14:24] <savvas> ..and well ok, maybe play around with other distros :)
[14:25] <hischild> savvas, who me? no way, i'm much to addicted to ubuntu already
[14:25] <MTecknology> hey... ubuntu isn't telling me how much power i have left anymore......
[14:25] <hischild> MTecknology, what does acpi give you when executed on command line?
[14:26] <MTecknology> nothing
[14:26] <zero> hi can any on ehelp me we nvidia display problem ?
[14:26] <hischild> zero, define display problem and we may
[14:27] <savvas> MTecknology: apt-cache policy gnome-power-manager
[14:27] <savvas> !pastebin | MTecknology
[14:27] <ubotu> MTecknology: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:28] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63307/
[14:29] <MTecknology> I won't have time to reinstall and test an earlier version now if you want me to... but I could install an earlier version now
[14:29] <zero> well i install the nvidia driver but now i'm stuck at 640x480
[14:30] <_Rambaldi_> is it possible to save the window size of various nautilus windows?
[14:30] <Ayabara> I'm trying out Hardy with KDE4 on my laptop, and I'm quite pleased. The only problem is that the multimedia keys don't work. Anyone know how I can fix that?
[14:30] <savvas> MTecknology: just checking if you were up to date with a good server, other than that, I'm out of ideas :)
[14:31] <savvas> MTecknology: did you reboot or restart gnome after the last set of updates?
[14:31] <MTecknology> yup
[14:31] <MTecknology> I also get this "fatal: sonypi module not found" - but that's been since i got this system
[14:32] <savvas> MTecknology: acpi -V
[14:32] <MTecknology> savvas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63309/
[14:33] <joker2048_> hi, any idea here regarding the openVZ support in the upcoming ubuntu version? Will there be packages available?
[14:33] <joker2048_> or a hint where i can find such a information?
[14:33] <savvas> MTecknology: it is weird, try search for a bug about it or file a new one
[14:35] <MTecknology> too bad I can't install sonypi through synaptic...
[14:36] <ampex> joker2048_: I believe there already is a package available, but I get the sense that it has problems
[14:36] <ampex> joker2048_: there is heavy development on the 2.6.24 based openvz kernel right now, and the ubuntu package is a bit out of date I believe
[14:37] <ampex> joker2048_: if you want to play with it on hardy, I'd recommend just downloading the patches to the vanilla 2.6.24 kernel and compiling your own
[14:37] <MTecknology> o... sonypi is supposed to be in the kernel
[14:38] <joker2048_> ampex: : thx, i'am new to ubuntu. where do I find such information?
[14:39] <savvas> MTecknology: 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu version?
[14:39] <ampex> joker2048_: http://wiki.openvz.org/Download/kernel/2.6.24/2.6.24-ovz004.1
[14:39] <ampex> joker2048_: or join #openvz
[14:39] <MTecknology> savvas, 64
[14:40] <joker2048_> ampex: : y, but I meant regarding the packages inside ubuntu
[14:40] <MTecknology> modprobe sony-laptop works
[14:40] <joker2048_> ampex: : openvz is not new for me... :-) Just the ubuntu 'dimension'
[14:40] <ampex> joker2048_: the packages inside of ubuntu are out of date and probably buggy
[14:40] <ampex> joker2048_: I wouldn't recommend the 2.6.24 branch of openvz right now regardless, it is still in development
[14:41] <savvas> MTecknology: http://pastebin.ca/raw/986006 it looks like the source is there.. but not compiled?
[14:41] <joker2048_> ampex: : any idea 'how' buggy? which version?
[14:41] <ampex> joker2048_: not sure, but I know they are a few versions behind, and some large bugs have been fixed recently
[14:41] <ampex> joker2048_: if you want to use openvz on 8.04, you're best off compiling your own kernel
[14:42] <ampex> joker2048_: at least right now
[14:42] <joker2048_> ampex: : hm ok, after mastering gentoo compiling a new kernel for ubuntu shouldn be a problem..., thx ampex
[14:42] <ampex> joker2048_: http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[14:43] <joker2048_> ampex: : y, just found this link via google :-)
[14:43] <MTecknology> savvas, http://pastebin.ca/raw/986011 <- mine
[14:44] <MTecknology> savvas, so... I'll need to figure out how to compile it and things should start working?
[14:45] <savvas> MTecknology: maybe, i'm not an expert :) there's always module-assistant command to help you out during the compiling
[14:46] <MTecknology> savvas, eh... will I need to recompile the kernel?
[14:47] <MTecknology> or just the module?
[14:48] <MTecknology> savvas, leave me a memo please, I'm about to go give blood
[14:53] <bazzawill> I'm not sure if I should be posting here but as I am running hardy we will try here first
[14:54] <bazzawill> I am trying to get firefox to use the tilt function on my mousewheel to go back do horizontal scroll instead of back and forward (well actually just back it doesn't do forward
[14:54] <bazzawill> I have seen some guides and as far as I can tell as the tilt function is working I have skipped any xorg hacking
[14:55] <bazzawill> and firefox appears to be setup correctly in about:config
[14:57] <jf> Hm, hardy locks up if wireless connection is lost with my intel 4965.
[14:58] <jaffarkelshac> is it possible to write a script to run at intervals?
[14:58] <ampex> cron
[14:58] <ampex> or using sleep in the script itself
[14:58] <ampex> what sort of intervals?
[14:59] <ttkeppi> is there some solution to getting mouse middle button to work.. holding the mousewheel down and moving mouse up or down should scroll the webpage in firefox
[15:00] <bjwebb> ttkeppi: have you changed the autoscroll setting?
[15:00] <jaffarkelshac> ampex, i want a to screen capture using scrot
[15:01] <ampex> jaffarkelshac: how often?
[15:01] <bazzawill> ok thats helps but actually I also want to stop the back behavior as I use middle mouse to open links in new tabs but I have a tendancy to tilt when clicking middle which takes me back which is annoying
[15:02] <jaffarkelshac> every 30 secs,  ampex
[15:04] <ttkeppi> bjwebb: can't find autoscroll option from system - settings - mouse... or from xorg.conf.. normal wheel scrolling works
[15:04] <ampex> jaffarkelshac: you can use cron to run a script every minute, but not shorter intervals than that
[15:04] <bjwebb> ttkeppi: theres an option in firefox
[15:04] <annimar> when I install hardy beta now. Will I be able to get the final version simply by using the updater or will I have to reinstall the whole system?
[15:05] <ampex> jaffarkelshac: otherwise, you'd have to just write a script that sleeps for 30 seconds and issues your screen capture in a loop
[15:05] <jaffarkelshac> i am reading about scripting and i think i might be able to do this i will get back to you when i learn this
[15:06] <ttkeppi> bjwebb: thank you! found it. wonder why that was disabled as default..
[15:06] <bjwebb> ttkeppi: i dunno, it always is disabled
[15:07] <bjwebb> i think the logic must be that it will confuse some people
[15:08] <ttkeppi> that's odd, because in windblows it's turned on by default.. i think i've had that problem since 6.06LTS ...thanks once again :)
[15:11] <bjwebb> my cd drive isn't working in ubuntu hardy
[15:12] <mheath> bjwebb: so you put in a CD and you get no icon on your desktop?
[15:12] <bjwebb> exactly
[15:13] <bjwebb> but mount /media/cdrom0
[15:13] <bjwebb> gives: mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[15:13] <bjwebb> which doesn't sound too good
[15:13] <mheath> Hmm
[15:13] <mheath> What kind of CD-ROM drive do you have?
[15:13] <mheath> Is it just a standard ATA or SATA drive?
[15:13] <bjwebb> cd/dvd rw
[15:13] <bjwebb> built in
[15:14] <mheath> Oh, laptop?
[15:15] <bjwebb> no, pc
[15:15] <bjwebb> i just mean part of the unit rather than usb one
[15:16] <jaffarkelshac> i need some scripting help, how do echo a command that will run from a script, so far "echo scrot" just echos the word no command is run
[15:16] <mheath> bjwebb: OK, first things first - is your system fully up to date?
[15:16] <bjwebb> yeah, i just updated
[15:17] <tux> man there are tonnes of updates the last week
[15:17] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, echo $(command)
[15:17] <mheath> tux: They're approaching release :-) Lots of developers are trying to squeeze in that last update!
[15:18] <bjwebb> mheath: any ideas?
[15:18] <mheath> bjwebb: open up a terminal and type "dmesg | grep cd" for me; see if it says anything notable.
[15:19] <mheath> bjwebb: You might get a few garbage lines that just coincidentally have the letters "cd"....just tell me about anything that are obviously talking about your CD-ROM drive
[15:19] <jaffarkelshac> exactly what i was looking for, thanks lamego, is a way to loop the command instead of typing it over and over?
[15:19] <bjwebb> everything is about ehci_hcd, which is a usb driver
[15:20] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, create a for loop
[15:20] <Lamego> read a scripting tutorial :)
[15:20] <mheath> bjwebb: do you know if your CD-ROM drive has been working lately in other operating systems?
[15:20] <bjwebb> yeah, im pretty sure it has
[15:21] <bjwebb> windows xp and kubuntu gutsy
[15:21] <jaffarkelshac> i am just getting what i want but thanks, i got for the moment what i was looking for Lamego
[15:22] <mheath> bjwebb: oh, my mistake! Rerun that command I gave you, but use "CD" instead of "cd"
[15:23] <bjwebb> nothing
[15:23] <mheath> OK.
[15:23] <mheath> Do you know how your drive is connected, internally? IDE? SATA? SCSI?
[15:24] <bjwebb> no, sorry
[15:24] <bjwebb> dell dimension 5150c tho
[15:25] <mheath> OK
[15:25] <mheath> open up the file /proc/scsi/scsi
[15:26] <mheath> See if theres a line about your drive in there
[15:26] <bjwebb> erm, theres something
[15:26] <mheath> Look for a section that says "Vendor: <something that looks like a CD-ROM>" and "Type: CD-ROM"
[15:26] <bjwebb> oh
[15:27] <bjwebb> Type: Direct-Access will be hard disk then?
[15:27] <bjwebb> thats all there is
[15:27] <mheath> bjwebb: one other last-ditch-effort question - you rebooted after your last set of updates, right?
[15:27] <bjwebb> nope
[15:27] <bjwebb> only just done them
[15:28] <mheath> bjwebb: well, has this issue survived a reboot before?
[15:28] <mheath> Or did you only just notice it?
[15:28] <bjwebb> ive never noticed this issue before
[15:29] <mheath> I'd make sure all updates are applied and try rebooting.
[15:29] <mheath> I don't know what else to see you
[15:29] <alastair_> The default .bashrc sets a colour prompt for xterm-color but the default settings for gnome-terminal is xterm
[15:29] <bjwebb> okay
[15:29] <mheath> Your system flat out isn't seeing the CD-ROM drive, on any level
[15:29] <alastair_> Also, I can't figure out how to change gnome-terminal's $TERM
[15:29] <bjwebb> hmmmm
[15:29] <alastair_> (without changing my shell scripts)
[15:29] <mheath> At no point is even the kernel seeing or acknowledging that theres anything there
[15:29] <mheath> alastair_: one sec
[15:30] <mheath> alastair_: well, $TERM isn't a setting for the Terminal application
[15:31] <mheath> alastair_: It's an environment variable that tells applications you're running IN the terminal what that terminals features are
[15:31] <mheath> alastair_: IIRC, gnome-terminal just sets TERM=xterm by default, which is what you'll probably want unless you really know what you're doing.
[15:31] <alastair_> mheath: no, but when I was using KDE the $TERM was set by the terminal app when I launched it
[15:32] <alastair_> I assumed the same went for Gnome
[15:32] <alastair_> Ah, I gotta go though.
[15:32] <mheath> Yes; Gnome-terminal sets TERM=xterm
[15:32] <alastair_> But the defaults don't agree.
[15:32] <mheath> alastair_: type "echo $TERM" in an open gnome-terminal
[15:33] <v0lksman> anyone have a link for help with policykit? I did an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 but all the policies are set to NO and I can't unlock anything (or change policies in policykit itself)...
[15:35] <bjwebb> mheath: looks promising
[15:35] <mheath> Is it working? :-)
[15:35] <bjwebb> the drive is
[15:36] <bjwebb> whether i can get the dvd working is another matter
[15:36] <mheath> Oh, DVD Playback?
[15:37] <bjwebb> yeah
[15:37] <bjwebb> but as you discovered the whole drive wasn't working before, so im a step closer
[15:37] <bjwebb> and its a home dvd, so no decss
[15:37] <mheath> Oh, you should be ready to go then
[15:37] <mheath> If its actually reading disks now...
[15:38] <mheath> Erm, nevermind
[15:38] <mheath> You need to install "libdvdread3"
[15:39] <bjwebb> its already installed
[15:40] <bjwebb> and yet totem is crashing
[15:41] <bjwebb> *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1575 ***
[15:41] <bjwebb> *** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i].start_sector < c_adt->cell_adr_table[i].last_sector ***
[15:44] <destin> hi there
[15:45] <destin> since ubuntu 8.04 is coming up, i was wondering if there will be a softraid support for crappy intel raid controllers during installation
[15:46] <destin> since the fakeraidhowto somehow didn't work on my machine
[15:48] <susanoo> so how is ubuntu 8.04 so far ??
[15:48] <whitehawk> have it on 2 machines
[15:48] <whitehawk> one is crappy
[15:48] <destin> well, i wasn't able to install the beta
[15:48] <whitehawk> other is ok
[15:48] <bazhang> works well here; kde4 no less ;]
[15:48] <susanoo> using a PPC machine ?
[15:48] <destin> i'd love to try, but my crappy intel raid ctrl is in the way
[15:49] <susanoo> damn YDL 6 is a freaking kick in the crotch man
[15:49] <susanoo> you have to buy video codecs in order to be able to watch videos ??
[15:49] <susanoo> what the fuck ?
[15:50] <destin> use vlc
[15:50] <susanoo> ubuntu gutsy was fun
[15:50] <bazhang> language susanoo
[15:50] <susanoo> destin , i have the video player on my os
[15:50] <susanoo> but i need codecs
[15:50] <destin> well, vlc never asked for codecs ;)
[15:51] <ompaul> !codecs | susanoo
[15:51] <ubotu> susanoo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:51] <susanoo> really ?
[15:52] <destin> yes really
[15:52] <susanoo> thanks onpaul the problem is that am on a ps3 and not only that but am currently using YDL 6
[15:52] <susanoo> i just can't wait till ubuntu 8 stable
[15:52] <destin> and i've been using vlc for years
[15:52] <ompaul> there is no 8 stable
[15:52] <destin> anyone here who can help me with my softraid issue?
[15:53] <destin> !softraid
[15:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about softraid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:53] <ompaul> never will be there will be 8.04
[15:53] <ompaul> year and month
[15:53] <susanoo> ompaul ?
[15:53] <alastair_> mheath: $TERM is xterm
[15:53] <susanoo> what do ya mean >
[15:53] <alastair_> I edited my bashrc to go by that
[15:54] <susanoo> ubuntu 8.04 releases in april 24 righ ?
[15:54] <mheath> alastair_: it should have been that by default.
[15:54] <alastair_> I was just pointing out that the layman wouldn't have a colour terminal as it is
[15:54] <mheath> Sure you would
[15:54] <mheath> xterm is color compatible
[15:54] <alastair_> yes, but the .bashrc only sets $PS1 to have colours if it is xterm-color; otherwise it sets it to a colour-free default
[15:54] <ompaul> susanoo, there is no version 8 ubuntu never will be - you said 8 stable there is 8.04 in april on the 24th they are not the same thing - there will most likely be an 8.10 also later in the year but it will not be LTS if you want to know what lts is /msg ubotu lts
[15:55] <alastair_> Although I guess everything else would have colour
[15:55] <susanoo> ompaul, would it had taken a geniuse to realized what i meant ? when i said ubuntu 8 ?
[15:56] <ompaul> susanoo, well some people don't know if you know what you are saying or not, therefore to avoid confusion I tried to give additional information
[15:56] <susanoo> lol
[15:56] <bazhang> susanoo: never anger the admins ;]
[15:56] <susanoo> confusing
[15:56] <susanoo> no
[15:56] <susanoo> am not trying to
[15:56] <susanoo> ubuntu "8.04" is the first version of ubuntu 8 right ?
[15:57] <ompaul> there is no 8
[15:57] <susanoo> i know there is no! 8
[15:57] <susanoo> ahh
[15:57] <susanoo> forget it
[15:57] <ompaul> there is no 7
[15:57] <ompaul> there is 7.04 and 7.10
[15:57] <bjwebb> mheath: :S its not working
[15:57] <ompaul> there is no 7
[15:57] <susanoo> anyways ? how do i install vlc from terminal ?
[15:57] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install vlc
[15:58] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install packagename
[15:58] <savvas> you're fighting over "mary" and "maria"
[15:58] <savvas> :p
[15:58] <susanoo> hmm
[15:58] <ttkeppi> 8.04 is LTS, right?
[15:58] <ompaul> ttkeppi, yes
[15:58] <susanoo> i think i will pass
[15:58] <susanoo> and wait till april 24
[15:59] <ttkeppi> great, I'll be installing that to couple friends and relatives then
[15:59] <savvas> susanoo: there will be a release candidate somewhere around saturday
[15:59] <susanoo> last version of ubuntu 7 was great
[15:59]  * ompaul head desks
[15:59] <ompaul> susanoo, you are wrong, in many ways and that is just one of them
[15:59] <susanoo> lol
[15:59] <susanoo> ompaul ??
[15:59] <susanoo> seriously
[16:00] <susanoo> whats wrong ?
[16:00] <ompaul> !enter | susanoo
[16:00] <ubotu> susanoo: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:00] <savvas> ompaul let it drop
[16:00] <susanoo> i never used used any linux distros till i bought a ps3
[16:00] <_ruben> susanoo: the versions are dates (7.04 = april 2007, 7.10 = october 2007, 8.04 = april 2008) .. there's no versions 7 or 8 .. but some ppl tend to be overly picky on that
[16:00] <ompaul> susanoo, you bought a ps2.5 that is the problem
[16:00] <susanoo> ok
[16:00] <susanoo> sorry
[16:00] <ompaul> ;-)
[16:01] <susanoo> and you probably have a pink Wii ejhh ?
[16:01] <susanoo> anyways thanks for ur help , guys
[16:03] <susanoo> ompaul / you using a PPC machine ?
[16:03] <ompaul> susanoo, no - x86 x many
[16:07] <bjwebb> does ubuntu have a problem reading "unifinished" dvd rw media?
[16:07] <savvas> unfinished?
[16:07] <tech404> unclosed sessions?
[16:07] <bjwebb> tech404: i think so
[16:08] <tech404> I have never tried but I would guess no
[16:08] <tech404> I would stay around and ask someone else
[16:08] <bjwebb> hmmm
[16:09] <bjwebb> you would guess no problem, or no work?
[16:10] <tech404> nop problem
[16:10] <bjwebb> hmmm
[16:10] <tech404> s/nop/no
[16:11] <bjwebb> if its not reading properly
[16:11] <bjwebb> but filesystem, and a bit of video is
[16:11] <bjwebb> it might be dirty
[16:11] <bjwebb> yeah it is certainlu grubby
[16:12] <bjwebb> lol, thats what it was
[16:12] <_Rambaldi_> i made a launcher for my ssh sessions how do i get the launcger to open in xterm so far only a password entry comes up
[16:14] <mheath> _Rambaldi_: when you're creating a launcher using the "Create Launcher" dialog in Gnome, change the "Type" from "Application" to "Application in Terminal".
[16:16] <binarical-app> is it possible to use ebox and its items without reinstalling my server
[16:18] <tahcX> ubuntu 8.04 LTS has little bugs
[16:18] <tahcX> ?
[16:18] <bazhang> hahahaha
[16:19] <mheath> tahcX: Its still being frequently updated
[16:19] <mheath> Most users have reported very usable stability
[16:19] <mheath> But because theres typically dozens of package updates every day still, you can expect some broken things.
[16:20] <mheath> tahcX: If you want a stable, great system, you should still be using Gutsy or the previous LTS release.
[16:21] <mheath> Hardy is getting much better and is very close to release, but the standard warnings about how its only for the expeirenced still apply.
[16:21] <tahcX> unfortunaly i removed gutsy since i was unable to install java on my PPC archi
[16:22] <tahcX> and am also a novice to linux
[16:23] <bazhang> sorry tahcX it is fairly stable but if you have trouble getting back from a terminal prompt then best stick to gutsy as mheath suggests
[16:27] <tahcX> there aren't big diff between gutsy and hardy right /
[16:28] <jk__> exit
[16:28] <bazhang> very big differences
[16:28] <Breetai> Hey there, I am running the kubuntu beta of hardy 8.04-LTS and my monitor keeps blanking after 45 minutes. Even when I go into the Kontrol panel, go to Monitor and Display,  Power Saving and I uncheck "Enable Power Saving" it does not matter if I do it as an admin or the end user, the screen still blanks and the next time I go to the dialog,Power saving is still checked off.
[16:28] <pascalFR> Breetai: did you check your xorg.conf
[16:29] <WorkingOnWise> are the ubuntu servers that hold the hardy repos throttled back to around 120k per conection? My max dl from them has gone from 1M to 120K over the weekend....
[16:29] <bazhang> is it really called Kontrol panel?
[16:32] <wh|gone_home> byez
[16:33] <Breetai> bazhang the executable is kcontrol
[16:33] <tahcX> bazbang what exactly is the ubuntu 8.04 candidate version
[16:33] <bazhang> Breetai: just a sec let me check
[16:35] <bjwebb> hmmm
[16:35] <bjwebb> whats the easiest way to convert a .vob into a more readable file?
[16:39] <bazhang> Breetai: silly question but did you hit apply?
[16:39] <Breetai> pascalFR: Just the plain xorg.conf as generated at startup. No DPMI or anything like that.
[16:40] <Breetai> bazhang: yes, I have opened control, unchecked power save hit apply, and opened control, went to admin mode, unchecked power save and hit apply.
[16:41] <Breetai> bazhang: either way, next time I open  the control panel, the option is checked and screen blanking takes place at 45 minutes.
[16:41] <bazhang> Breetai: do you know what the kde4 version is? or are you using only kde3 atm
[16:41] <Breetai> bazhang: only kde3
[16:42] <bazhang> Breetai: my problem is the opposite; it will not blank at all
[16:42] <v0lksman> can anyone help with policykit or specifically users-admin not being accessible?   if I invoke 'sudo users-admin' or just users-admin as my user either way I get a greyed out "unlock" box and can't modify any users or groups...(groups is completely grey while users has my own user black but I can't modify it at all)
[16:43] <bazhang> Breetai: and it is set to 45 minutes as yours is
[16:43] <Breetai> bazhang: yes it shows 45 minutes and power save is checked off.
[16:44] <skenmy> I just upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy in the hope that it would fix my sound problems, but to no avail. I have sound coming from my USB Audio device, which plays when I test the "Pulseaudio" selection, however nothing from my main soundcard.
[16:45] <bazhang> Breetai: seems to be a bug then; mine is set to 'on' and does not powersave
[16:45] <skenmy> Is there any way to remove everything to do with sound, and just start from scratch?
[16:45] <Breetai> bazhang: Well, it does not seem to be documented yet, I will wait another week or 2 and see what turns up.
[16:45] <trappist> man, the ajaxy stuff on ebay crashes firefox pretty reliably
[16:46] <trappist> at least the session restore feature works
[16:46] <donomo> trappist: ever since ff3b5, i have crashes daily
[16:46] <bazhang> breetai good call; will ping you if I see more
[16:46] <mheath> skenmy: Not that I know of.
[16:47] <mheath> skenmy: and besides; the sound architecture ontop of the kernel is still very simple. You probably wouldn't accomplish anything by reinstalling pulseaudio, etc, because pulseaudio really isn't doing too much
[16:47] <mheath> Are you sure your sound card is suppsoed to be supported by the Linux kernel?
[16:47] <skenmy> I'm just getting confused as to what sound card is attached to what software etc etc
[16:47] <skenmy> It has worked in the past - it's listed as working with emu10k1
[16:48] <skenmy> The card hasn't worked since I installed Ubuntu 2 days ago.
[16:48] <trappist> anybody know if the plan is to release hardy with ff3b, and update to stable when it's released?
[16:49] <gregory> trappist: probably yes
[16:49] <gregory> trappist: hardy also comes with ff2
[16:51] <nemo> heh. FF3.0 - Q1 2007
[16:51] <nemo> wow, they were wildly optimistic back then
[16:51] <donomo> lol
[16:51] <skenmy> okay, mheath, how do I change the default card for pulseaudio?
[16:52] <nemo> of course, David Baron's refactor did take a lot of work
[16:52] <skenmy> trying a slightly different tact here
[16:52] <nacer> Ooo don't support the new GFS system :(
[16:54] <W8TAH> hi folks - got a machine im workin on at home - -installed the hardy beta4 disk on it everythign was peachy -- screen resolution was 1024x768  then did all the upgrades (includeing the partial dist upgrade its asking us to do) and now screen resolution is 800x600 -- tried to change it through the screen res manager -- no joy - -what do i do next?
[16:59] <syke> hi
[16:59] <bazhang> W8TAH: this is nvidia intel or ati? and how were the drivers installed?
[17:00] <syke> X still won't start under the -16 kernel for me, but works fine when I boot back into the -15 kernel
[17:00] <syke> my nvidia module won't load under -16, for some reason. it's not custom-compiled or anything
[17:01] <syke> this is amd64, on an HP laptop
[17:01] <syke> this problem started when I dist-upgraded on saturday and got the -16 kernel
[17:01] <syke> I've been updating since then, with no change in behaviour
[17:02] <W8TAH> bazhang, i wanna say its ati - -(its at home) and it was a stock install -- straight from the disk - didnt modify anything  -- did the install and then did the upgrades
[17:04] <bazhang> W8TAH: you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if you can choose the correct res there; I know that command is streamlined in this new version but havent tried it myself yet when you do get to the box a quick pastebin of your xorg.conf would likely help as well
[17:04] <W8TAH> cool - sounds good
[17:04] <W8TAH> thanks
[17:12] <warren_> hi
[17:12] <fluteflute> hi
[17:12] <warren_> is there someone who has kdenlive installed from the official repo on hardy?
[17:13] <warren_> i would like to know if the program crashes on someone else installation
[17:17] <warren_> does kdenlive works on someones computer here? (hardy)
[17:20] <blizzkid> Hi all, could I upgrade evrything _except_ the kernel to hardy?
[17:20] <warren_> you mean today? :D
[17:20] <linxeh> hello, I'm trying to install eBox on a hardy system, which appears to have worked. however, I don't seem to be able to get to the web admin screens at all - do I need to do anything special ?
[17:21] <mnemo> today when I started my linux machine all icons on the desktop was gone and there is no background image... im thinking this might go away if I just reboot but im curious what exactly happened (maybe I can figure it out and report a bug etc) ... so I wonder, what is the name of the program that shows the desktop icons in GNOME? Maybe I can break into that process with gdb and see what is blocking it from making progress
[17:21] <nemo> blizzkid: wish I had done that :(
[17:21] <blizzkid> warren_, not specifically, but I would like to use Gnome 2.22 etc.. without fully upgrading to hardy
[17:22] <nemo> couldn't you just add the hardy repos
[17:22] <warren_> then don't try it
[17:22] <nemo> then update those packages against 'em?
[17:22] <nemo> then cross your fingers and pray
[17:22] <warren_> if you upgrade to hardy you must uprady everything
[17:22] <nemo> blizzkid: otherwise. gentoo :-p
[17:22] <warren_> nemo : yes :D
[17:22] <gregory> mnemo: try #gnome
[17:23] <mnemo> gregory: mmkay
[17:23] <blizzkid> warren_, does "everything" include kernel? (I can't imagine that, really)
[17:24] <warren_> naturallu
[17:24] <warren_> naturally*
[17:24] <warren_> kernel is the most important
[17:25] <warren_> well if you aren't using some drivers it should work....
[17:25] <warren_> so if you aren't using any driver, try upgrading without kernel
[17:26] <warren_> but why wouldn't you update the kernel?
[17:26] <blizzkid> my pc works perfect with current kernel and drivers, so I could exclude those (as I do already)
[17:26] <blizzkid> and it doesn't work with a newer kernel
[17:26] <warren_> why?
[17:26] <blizzkid> (patched madwifi driver doesn't seem to like newer kernels)
[17:27] <warren_> you should fill some bug report then
[17:27] <warren_> but it's a bit too late
[17:27] <warren_> hardy is nearly finished :D
[17:27] <warren_> can someone test out kdenlive for me? please?
[17:28] <warren_> to know if it crashes
[17:33] <AzaTht> hmm, my screen seems to want to freeze
[17:34] <AzaTht> ↑that one
[17:38] <AzaTht-laptop> it's like following: the screensaver seems to go "gray" after say 15-20 min
[17:39] <lucypher> Hi I'me having some boot issues after upgrading to kernel 2.6.24-16
[17:40] <AzaTht-laptop> oh, it's the screen sleep after 35 min that borks everything up
[17:42] <AzaTht> feature or bug?
[17:42] <|AudioSenseCD|> i think it is a bug
[17:45] <lucypher> My PC stuck at boot with this message: itco_wdt failed to reset no_reboot flag reboot disable by hardware
[17:47] <jimcooncat> What remote graphical servers are available in Hardy default repositories besides VNC? Will Freenx or an rdp server be available?
[17:47] <negge> what's this partial upgrade that adept asks me to do?
[17:48] <negge> has the RC been released already or what?
[17:56] <swatTX> anyone else getting deafened everytime they login to ubuntu? How come my system sound gets reset after every restart now?
[18:02] <swatTX> anyone else getting deafened everytime they login to ubuntu? How come my system sound gets reset after every restart now?
[18:04] <gaetronik> swatTX, you have a initscript which do a alsa-save and restore
[18:12] <milosz> i've got a problem, sudo stopped working
[18:12] <milosz> invoking sudo and any command drops me back to the shell
[18:12] <milosz> (i didn't edit sudoers or anything)
[18:13] <swatTX> milosz, not sure if it's the same problem but i recently couldn't sudo anything... i found that my host name was wrong. somehow my domain got added onto the end of my hostname
[18:14] <swatTX> milosz, after i changed it sudo worked again. I was getting errors when trying to sudo though so that may not be your problem.
[18:14] <milosz> swatTX, yeah i get no errors, it just stopped working
[18:15] <swatTX> gaetronik, can i edit the initscripts?
[18:15] <gaetronik> swatTX, you are root
[18:16] <milosz> hostname seems ok
[18:17] <swatTX> milosz, affraid i can't offer much more help than that. sorry.
[18:17] <milosz> yeah, thanks anyway
[18:18] <AzaTht> now my laptop froze again :(
[18:19] <AzaTht> frozen in outline mode
[18:19] <swatTX> gaetronik, not sure if i'm root right now but i should be able to make whatever changes
[18:20] <AzaTht> what's the real use of the hardware tester thingi?
[18:21] <AzaTht> seems pretty arbitary and thin
[18:25] <milosz> hey AzaTht
[18:25] <milosz> AzaTht, what hardware tester?
[18:27] <AzaTht> the "Hardware Testing" tool
[18:27] <Pici> Testing to see that all your hardware works.
[18:28] <AzaTht> Pici: 1: it's not all, 2: at least one test is pretty dumb in reflect to the reporting
[18:30] <AzaTht> Pici: first a question: what does the "video" test really test?
[18:31] <Pici> AzaTht: I dont even know, I don't have access to an Ubuntu gui right now.
[18:31] <AzaTht> k
[18:32] <Pici> File a bug if you think its not doing something the way that it should.
[18:32] <AzaTht> next we have one of my favourite: "please click here is your mouse are working properly"
[18:34] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[18:34] <icanhasadmin> so... anyone know where the kernel houses information on how / how much / when to power an external usb device?
[18:34] <Pici> Most of the tests rely on the user being honest about their answers anyway.
[18:34] <AzaTht> icanhasadmin: 250 mA max, 100mA max per standard without skaing host controller
[18:35] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: is that pretty standard? like it doesn't change or there isn't software that controls that?
[18:35] <AzaTht> icanhasadmin: normal usb it's max you can require from an host
[18:35] <AzaTht> though most ignore the 100mA rule to ask rule
[18:36] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: ok... anything you know that would control when to cut power to a usb device?
[18:36] <AzaTht> especially dump devices like vacuum cleaners
[18:37] <AzaTht> that's pretty much up to the usc controller
[18:37] <AzaTht> usb*
[18:37]  * icanhasadmin has never had a usb vacuum cleaner....
[18:37] <AzaTht> (I bough one once just for the sake of it, pretty lousy)
[18:38] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: I ask because i run hardy off an external usb drive. it worked perfect up untill -16, now it seems to power itself down after 5-20 minutes. i'm 90% sure it's not the drive because it seems to work fine when i mount it in another OS
[18:38] <AzaTht> if you need more boost to an device, then you must use powerUSB
[18:38] <AzaTht> -16?
[18:38] <icanhasadmin> newest kernel version?
[18:38] <AzaTht> ah
[18:38] <AzaTht> could be an power save feature
[18:38] <icanhasadmin> although honestly, whatever changed i don't think was necesarily in the kernel, because -15 gives me the same issue now too
[18:39] <icanhasadmin> but it was definately something else in that update. would something like powerUSB help me keep it active?
[18:39] <AzaTht> no
[18:39] <AzaTht> that's another issue
[18:39] <icanhasadmin> i see
[18:39] <icanhasadmin> I wonder if it's possible heat is an issue. new kernel seems to work my cpu harder
[18:39] <AzaTht> usb drive like a stick or an external hard drive?
[18:40] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: actually, both ;) i test many unconvential connections to make sure they don't break anything. this particular issue i only have on my external HDD tho
[18:40] <AzaTht> Pici: the next question is the best: Does your internet connectio work
[18:40] <AzaTht> icanhasadmin: duesn't it have extra power connection as well?
[18:41] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: no, the majority of mini usb harddrives (2.5") don't have seperate power. it has an "optional" second usb adapter more "more power" i assume, but it was working fine without it, and i get the same results even when i use it
[18:41] <AzaTht> k
[18:41] <AzaTht> then I'm not to much use then ツ
[18:42] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: sok, thank you for the info. and the 'shi' too, or is that a 'ji'? :P
[18:43] <AzaTht> hehe
[18:43] <AzaTht> shi
[18:43] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: xD
[18:44] <icanhasadmin> shiii shi shi shi shi.. shiii shi shi shi!
[18:44] <icanhasadmin> (.hack perv guy)
[18:45] <icanhasadmin> So, still no Hardy updates here. And still no fglrx showing up in my RDM (or Hardware Drivers, or jockey thing.. whatever it's called now)
[18:48]  * icanhasadmin sighs
[18:48] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: so i can't decide if it's my harddrive or not, it seems to stop working at randomintervals
[18:52] <sailaway85> is hardy supported by virualbox
[18:53] <gunashekar> hmm virtualbox is supported by hardy
[18:53] <AzaTht> Pici: made an subission now: https://launchpad.net/+hwdb/+submission/4ceb4f37adb404ca30994754daef795a
[18:53] <AzaTht> what does the "System" say
[18:53] <Pici> e427e70a57b16541212edf06beeba22a
[18:53] <gregory> sailaway85: should be as its a general linux distro and nothing special, 32bit should run well
[18:53] <AzaTht> :-P
[18:54] <AzaTht> what does it mean
[18:54] <Pici> I dont know.
[18:55] <sailaway85> gregory: whats your recommendation on the subjuct vmware or virualbox
[18:56] <gregory> sailaway85: i personally use vm-player and create my own config files. if you are starting with the subject virtualbox is just fine. plus its really open source free.
[18:58] <wangfg> wlan error b43/ucode5.fw not found
[18:58] <AzaTht> hmm, it inclues all installed packages in ther report, not really "hardware" releated
[18:59] <wangfg> ls
[19:00] <sailaway85> gregory: can i get rid of my dual boot with vm-player?
[19:00] <trappist> sailaway85: depends on why you're dual-booting
[19:01] <sailaway85> gregory: running xp and ubuntu and want to run linux as first os
[19:02] <gregory> sailaway85: yes, but i think you might need to get second licence for the winxp in the vm
[19:03] <sailaway85> gregory: use wine but find it a time waster
[19:03] <sailaway85> gregory have lic for lap and desktop
[19:05] <sailaway85> gregory: want to remove win partition
[19:06] <amalgamated> howdy -- before i go digging through launchpad tickets, are the plethora of rendering issues with ff3b5 in hardy known?
[19:06] <gregory> sailaway85: still if its a OEM licence its "bound to the hardware". at the hardware in the vm is a different one. just try to install the xp you have in a vm and youll see if it works. trying is not illegal
[19:06] <swatTX> i'm still having sound issues. is there an easy fix to correct the sound from maxing out at startup or should i just disable the sound in the Admin -> Login Window?
[19:08] <amalgamated> god i hate launchpad sometimes. how do i find out what bugs are open for firefox-3.0 in hardy?
[19:08] <amalgamated> because i'm here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 -- and bugs is greyed out
[19:08] <zepalod> hey guys, i have a lot of troubles while upgrading to hardy
[19:08] <zepalod> a lot of dependencies of gnome and nautilus fail, and all starts with not beeing able to install scrollkeeper
[19:11] <gunashekar> can anyone suggest the best way to make broadcom wireless work on hardy.. it worked for a while during the alpha releases, i guess till the early kernel versions
[19:12] <zepalod> gnome-terminal-data and scrollkeeper ar beeing killed during upgrad
[19:13] <swatTX> gunashekar, i ditched network-manager for wicd and haven't had network problems since. maybe give that a try.
[19:13] <gunashekar> ok swatTX will figure out how to do that
[19:14] <sailaway85> gregory: vmware is offering server software only .. where do i get vm-playerwant to remove win partition
[19:19] <gregory> sailaway85: http://vmware.com/products/player/ . still - now after a few more lines of comm between us - i suggest using virtualbox.
[19:20] <swatTX> gunashekar, wicd.sourceforge.net should tell you everything you need to know.
[19:21] <gunashekar> swatTX: thanks , am looking it up
[19:21] <swatTX> gunashekar, cool. that's where i got all my info from. Hope it helps.
[19:22] <gunashekar> swatTX: looks promising. will try on one of my laptops
[19:22] <sailaway85_> gregory: why ? do you recommend vmware
[19:24] <swatTX> gunashekar, that's where i've got it now.  after the initial setup it's golden (so far, haha)
[19:24] <gunashekar> ok will try it
[19:24] <gregory> sailaway85_: for legacy reasons i personally use vmplayer. for a new start virtualbox is the best choice. also when i _try_ to figure out the best solution for you i suggest virtualbox. its more rebust and has a lower learning curve
[19:26] <sailaway85_> gregory: it does not have hardy on its download centre, only 7.10
[19:27] <gregory> sailaway85_: hardy is not yet released. if you instal hardy use the 7.10 presetup. in case it does not work, nothing will be damaged. its just in a virtual machine.
[19:30] <sailaway85_> Gregory: thanks mate... I'll install it and try..  I've managed to crash my system 20 times on this learning curve... have a external drive just for this
[19:30] <gregory> sailaway85_: thats perfectly fine. just go your way
[19:33] <gregory> sailaway85_: correction: just do it your way at your pace. i am nonnative
[19:34] <nephilim> hello all I am seeing if exhaile can replace amarok... but I cant seem to find a tray icon setting for it... help?
[19:38] <PodMan99b> hey all, can i command line upgrade to hardy on my server?
[19:39] <Hammer89> is there a way to upgrade to 8.04 from the terminal in 7.10? I tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade... but told me that was an invalid operation
[19:39] <PodMan99b> same question as hammer
[19:39] <Hammer89> lol
[19:40] <nephilim> Hammer89: sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[19:40] <nephilim> ;)
[19:40] <PodMan99b> nephilim, thanks
[19:40] <Hammer89> awesome... thanks :D
[19:40] <nephilim> hardy rocks!, yvw
[19:41] <sailaway85_> q
[19:41] <Hammer89> am I destined to fail if I upgrade via SSH?
[19:41] <PodMan99b> umm... upgrade speed of 10mb/s
[19:43] <PodMan99b> Hammer89, i have to install libpam0g following the failure
[19:43] <fiXXXerMet> Hi everyone.  I was trying to install ubuntu server and it got to the boot loader step.  Both GRUB and LILO were unable to install.   I went ahead and completed the installation, but now how can I install grub so that I can boot my system?
[19:44] <Hammer89> PodMan99b: which error?
[19:47] <PodMan99b> failed to upgrade due to that package
[19:47] <Hammer89> hmm
[19:48] <PodMan99b> upgrade almost finished just about to reboot
[19:50] <PodMan99b> Hammer89, give me 5 mins and ill let u know if it works
[19:50] <Hammer89> alrighty
[19:51] <PodMan99b> interface back up which is good news.......
[19:52] <Hammer89> :D
[19:52] <matjan_work> did anyone have some problems with compiz before the updates from this morning?
[19:52] <PodMan99b> Hammer89, booted and using new kernel... configured services appear to be working
[19:53] <Hammer89> PodMan99b: awesome :D
[19:53] <PodMan99b> YAY and apache-vhost-mysql works... joy
[19:53] <Hammer89> PodMan99b: I'll have to check if things worked right for me when I get home... since I'm updating my home compy from work
[19:53] <Sijmes> hellooooooo
[19:54] <PodMan99b> cool
[19:54] <Sijmes> hi
[19:54] <Hammer89> hello
[19:54] <Sijmes> rythmnbox doesnt see my mp3 palyer since the heron upgrade...?
[19:55] <Sijmes> any clues ..?
[19:55] <Hammer89> what mp3 player?
[19:55] <Sijmes> zenstone
[19:55] <Sijmes> gutsy even gave it an icon
[20:01] <diefordethklok> how would I go about changing from gnome to kde on my hardy install?
[20:03] <stefg> !kde
[20:03] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[20:04] <diefordethklok> So, will this install kde 4 like in the hardy kubuntu ?
[20:04] <skenmy> How does one change the default sound device in Hardy?
[20:05] <D3> I need help with the Ubuntu 8.04 Beta, I burnt the ISO to a CD and used it as a Live CD, but when Ubuntu booted up, it said that it couldn't load up "X Server" or something along those lines
[20:06] <stefg> D3: what video card do you have?
[20:06] <D3> My video card is built-in to my motherboard
[20:06] <D3> I have a pretty old laptop
[20:06] <diefordethklok> I don't know much about linux, but I had a similar problem with 7.04 and I typed startx into the shell to started the xwindow system and it worked.
[20:07] <stefg> D3: have you tried the 'safe video' mode?
[20:07] <stefg> D3: anyway you need give details about your hardware, so if you don't have them you have to find them out
[20:08] <D3> what details do you need?
[20:08] <stefg> D3: cpu/ram and video chipset
[20:08] <diefordethklok> Look up the model of your laptop on google for info
[20:08] <diefordethklok> Or just look at the stickers they put on the laptop sometimes if you still havethem
[20:10] <diefordethklok> stefeg: so If i run the command "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" It will install kde4 like in the kubuntu beta?
[20:10] <stefg> no
[20:10] <stefg> !kde4
[20:11] <D3> I'veremoved the stickers, but I know it's an Intel Pentium 4
[20:11] <D3> 512mb RAM
[20:11] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:11] <diefordethklok> Is it better then to then just do a fresh install then?
[20:11] <diefordethklok> Is it better to just do a fresh install*
[20:12] <D3> and in the motherboardbios, I have it set to use 128mb RAM for video, leaving the laptop with 384 mb RAM,is that the problem?
[20:12] <stefg> diefordethklok: i think kubuntu defaults to kde3 still...
[20:12] <stefg> D3: no, that's fine
[20:12] <diefordethklok> I thought the beta used kde4?
[20:13] <stefg> D3: so you might have an intel or S3 integrated video. try the safe video mode
[20:13] <D3> How would I enable the safe video mode when I'm trying a Live CD?
[20:13] <stefg> diefordethklok: i don't know. the only thing i heard about kde4 is that it is not stable enough for real work.
[20:14] <diefordethklok> There should be an option menu for it on the cd I think D3
[20:14] <diefordethklok> one of the F keys if it isn't on the menu already
[20:15] <D3> the option I used last time was "Try ubuntu without touching your harddrive" orsomething along the lines of that, I'll try again now
[20:15] <stefg> D3: and you really shouldn't mess with a beta... see /topic
[20:15] <diefordethklok> Wow the kubuntu site is terrible
[20:16] <D3> I know, I was just going to use this as a live CD to see if it worked on my laptop, if it did,I wasgoing to wait until the full release to install.
[20:16] <D3> Bye for now
[20:16]  * diefordethklok waves goodbye
[20:24] <tiax> is there no debootstrap-script for hardy yet? I want to test-install hardy remotely so I want to use debootstrap but downloading tarballs or debs of debootstrap comes with empty scripts for hardy or none at all
[20:28] <Kl4m> He gets in here to ask about video problems and gives all but his video card / laptop model. Very useful
[20:30] <D3> Me again, it worked this time and I got to the login screen using the safe video mode, (in the options under "f4") but I have no idea what I'm meant to use as the username/password
[20:31] <david> hmm
[20:31] <D3> I tried admin/password, 1234/1234. I tried making one up etc but none worked
[20:31] <david> for some reason hardy wants to open all my NFS shares?
[20:31] <david> (dring startup/login)
[20:32] <dwatson_> hey guys
[20:32] <diefordethklok> try ubuntu, ubuntu?
[20:32] <diefordethklok> D3
[20:32] <D3> No, I'll try that now
[20:32] <dwatson_> having probolem getting ubuntu to recognize audigy x-fi sound card
[20:32] <diefordethklok> I don't know, I think that's the username since that's what it says in the shell
[20:32] <D3> Also, when I have ubuntu installed, is there any way to have it boot in safe video mode as default?
[20:34] <D3> Anyone?
[20:34] <diefordethklok> Hold on, I'm searching
[20:34] <D3> Ok, thanks
[20:38] <diefordethklok> There should be an option in grub when booting (press esc), click safe mode and see if that works
[20:39] <Flannel> That's for the recovery console, whcih is signifigantly different than the safe gnome
[20:39] <diefordethklok> oops
[20:40] <Flannel> D3: for safe gnome, you use regular logins, it just starts up without (gnome) startup stuffs.
[20:40] <Sl4y3r> anyone know why i cant install xmms or beep-media-player?
[20:40] <UnNaturalHigh> xmms doesn't exist anymore?
[20:40] <Kl4m> xmms --> audacious
[20:41] <UnNaturalHigh> and I believe bmp is being replaced with bmpx
[20:41]  * UnNaturalHigh is using bmpx right now
[20:41] <Sl4y3r> just found that on the forums
[20:41] <Sl4y3r> im downloading now
[20:42] <Sl4y3r> you know if you can use xchat perl plugins to display/control it like xmms?
[20:42] <Kl4m> D3. The password is random
[20:42] <D3> What do you mean?
[20:43] <D3> I tried doing no username and password too
[20:43] <Kl4m> D3, you can change it by going to a console and typing sudo passwd
[20:46] <D3> One more question before I install it to the hard drive, will I have to create a partition to install Ubuntu along with Windows?
[20:46] <D3> or will the partition be created automatically, if needed?
[20:47] <Kl4m> D3: From the 8.04 release, you could use wubi
[20:47] <Kl4m> !wubi
[20:47] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[20:47] <dotpavan> hi, couldnt find this at bugzilla, hence asking here: anybody experiencing internet freezing for FF3b5 on Hardy? (though internet is fine with the system, FF takes forever for loading pages))
[20:48] <Luckrider> no dotpavan
[20:48] <dotpavan> and this is intermittent
[20:48] <Luckrider> I haven't had any problems yet
[20:48] <dotpavan> I thought it was proxy settings gone bad, but that seems to be fine
[20:49] <dotpavan> Luckrider, ok, I shall keep an open eye for more symptoms, thanks!
[20:49] <Luckrider> ok
[20:49] <Luckrider> np
[20:51] <bipolar> has anyone else noticed that libnss-ldap looks for the ldap.conf client config file at /etc/ldap.conf instead of /etc/ldap/ldap.conf?
[20:51] <D3> Thanks for all the help, going to install Ubuntu now.
[20:51] <D3> Bye!
[20:51] <bipolar> the last system I configured for ldap auth was Feisty, so I don't know if it's changed in Gutsy or Hardy.
[20:51] <DASkreech> Hello
[20:52] <bipolar> the man page for ldap.conf stays it's suposed to be in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
[20:52] <DASkreech> does anyone else have a nuetured Firefox?
[20:52]  * DASkreech types that correctly as well
[20:52] <dotpavan> DASkreech, care to elaborate?
[20:52] <DASkreech> dotpavan: It won't connect to any sites it seems
[20:53] <mooboo1> how many run 32-bit how many 64-bit ?
[20:53] <Tuv0k> dotech, missing application associations?
[20:53] <mooboo1> how many run 32-bit how many 64-bit ?
[20:53] <mooboo1> i run 32-bit, should i run 64-bit?
[20:53] <dotpavan> DASkreech, is it always or sometimes?
[20:53] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, I run both
[20:53] <DASkreech> Always
[20:53] <DASkreech> It says access denied
[20:53] <mooboo1> Tuv0k, which works better? which you prefer?
[20:53] <negge> mooboo1 everyone SHOULD run 64-bit if the can, problem is some things still don't work like they're supposed to on 64-bit ubuntu
[20:53] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, its a moot issue
[20:53] <DASkreech> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed
[20:54] <mooboo1> negge, what dont work in 64-bit? im currently on 32-bit
[20:54] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, everything I use works on my 64bit
[20:54] <negge> mooboo1 lets see
[20:54] <mooboo1> Tuv0k, flash?
[20:54] <Tuv0k> yup
[20:54] <negge> adobe still hasn't made a flash plugin for 64-bi
[20:54] <negge> damn too slow:)
[20:54] <negge> other than that I haven't had any problems yet, but the flash thing is a quite big one
[20:54] <Tuv0k> you don't need adobes to have working flash
[20:54] <Tuv0k> lookup swf
[20:54] <Tuv0k> and gnash
[20:54] <dotpavan> DASkreech, nope..
[20:54] <Tuv0k> next?
[20:54] <DASkreech> dotpavan: NEver mind
[20:54] <negge> Tuv0k gnash simply sucks
[20:55] <Tuv0k> continue
[20:55] <Tuv0k> it works is the point
[20:55] <DASkreech> Some joker had me go through a proxy
[20:55] <negge> tried it both on my 32-bit system and on my 64-bit system, it never seems to work properly
[20:55] <mooboo1> well, canonical should tell adobe to make flash 64
[20:55] <negge> couldn't watch youtube videos correctly, fullscreen didn't work etc...
[20:55] <mooboo1> i need flash for youtube + porno
[20:55] <negge> mooboo1 hehe
[20:55] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, do you homework, read the 64bit ubuntu forums
[20:56] <negge> flash should work flawlessly on 64-bit hardy when the stable release is out, currently there's a bug that prevents youtube from working (don't know about other flash content)
[20:56] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, you sound like a canidate to stick with 32bit
[20:56] <Tuv0k> youtube works flawlessly on my 64bit box
[20:56] <mooboo1> Tuv0k, okie
[20:56] <Tuv0k> with adobe
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> negge, flash works fine for me on my 64bit laptop
[20:57] <negge> if everyone would just leave the 20st century behind and use 64-bit systems it wouldn't take long before we have good 64-bit drivers and everything
[20:57] <negge> UnNaturalHigh Tuv0k not for me, I have the bug that makes youtube movies stop after 2 second
[20:57] <negge> seconds*
[20:57] <Tuv0k> sorry to hear that
[20:57] <negge> haven't bothered trying to solve it yet...
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> never had a problem with adobe flash and youtube
[20:57] <dotpavan> negge, I had that bug..
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> works flawlessly
[20:57] <negge> dotpavan any good workaround?
[20:58] <negge> UnNaturalHigh I guess you're lucky
[20:58] <dotpavan> negge, dont use restricted repo..
[20:58] <Tuv0k> get the lucky is selective?
[20:58] <Tuv0k> guess
[20:58] <dotpavan> try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=8b1f7c1651c5ee1f836afc501a30f0ba&t=747590&page=2
[20:58] <negge> dotpavan that all I have to do? haven't installed flash support yet so I'll try it right away
[20:58] <Tuv0k> I guess the luck is selective
[20:58] <Pirate_Hunter> ok my keyboard is acting funny the plus, subtraction and number keys etc are not functioning as they should, they are freaking controlling the mouse :/ how do i stop this, i dont know how i even activated it?
[20:59] <Tuv0k> Pirate_Hunter, might want to reconfigure X
[20:59] <Pirate_Hunter> Tuv0k: it just started as i was trying to get alt& numbers to work together to change freaking irssi
[21:00] <negge> dotpavan how am I supposed to install when I'm on 64-bit?
[21:00] <negge> the package was i686
[21:00] <dotpavan> negge, yikes.. not sure
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> negge: you can --force-architecture
[21:00] <negge> hehe
[21:00] <Pirate_Hunter> is there a way to restart keyboard?
[21:00] <negge> nosrednaekim will that work?
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> and use getlibs on it
[21:01] <dotpavan> negge: look around for 64-bit version of that
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> negge: if you grab the propers libraries, sure
[21:01] <negge> dotpavan okay I'll try
[21:01] <negge> nosrednaekim I'll try dotpavan suggestion first, seems like the easier way to do it.
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> if there is a 64 bit deb, certainly ;)
[21:02] <negge> simply changing the URL didn't work...
[21:03] <negge> nosrednaekim could you explain to me how to install that .deb?
[21:03] <negge> the 32-bit one... what other stuff do I need to do?
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> negge: first of all, what is it?
[21:04] <dotpavan> negge: 64bit ver exists for 7.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[21:04] <negge> nosrednaekim it's the flash plugin
[21:04] <negge> thanks for the link dotpavan, I'll try it out
[21:04] <dotpavan> and for 8.04 as well
[21:05] <dotpavan> nosrednaekim, it is non Free flash
[21:06] <tpp> When I go to Screens and graphics it says I am using the VESA driver. Changing it to the intel driver has no effect (doesn't remember the change), although the Xorg.0.log shows the intel driver being loaded. On top of this my resolutions are getting detected all wrong. It's driving me crazy - can anyone help?
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> oh yech, can't help with that
[21:08] <esurnir> hello
[21:08] <esurnir> I got in my update manager an error asking me to do a partial upgrade
[21:08] <esurnir> should I do it or...
[21:09] <negge> esurnir I did it today, I asked here what it was but didn't get any answer so I can't really tell you
[21:09] <negge> all I know is that everything still works:)
[21:09] <esurnir> your machine didn't explode
[21:09] <negge> nope:)
[21:09] <esurnir> ok I got it I'm going to do it ^_^
[21:09] <tpp> Does 'Screens & Graphics' even have any effect?
[21:09] <negge> it took quite long though, atleast 15 minutes
[21:09] <esurnir> hmmm
[21:10] <negge> dotpavan I'm installing it right now
[21:10] <esurnir> did you used the "custom package" when there was a problem with the "liblaunchpad" ?
[21:10] <negge> just gotta install nspluginwrapper first
[21:10] <negge> esurnir I got no such error
[21:10] <dotpavan> negge, hope it fixes the 2-sec bug for you
[21:10] <negge> dotpavan we'll see
[21:10] <esurnir> ok just wondered if that custom package may have been the cause
[21:11] <negge> what's the difference between the deb you gave me and the one you get from the repositories?
[21:11] <esurnir> well at the time it fixed a broken dependencies
[21:11] <dotpavan> esurnir, it should be okay to proceed with partial.. some package might have been broken but would get fixed later
[21:11] <gunashekar> hmm some server is down
[21:12] <dotpavan> negge, no idea.. someone must have custom made it (as I gather from that forum)
[21:12] <negge> dotpavan now I got the same md5sum error that the package was supposed to fix:D
[21:12] <negge> installation failed
[21:12] <UnNaturalHigh> you fail
[21:12] <dotpavan> negge, still, go ahead and try restarting FF and open a yt video..
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> negge: I've found gnash works well for alot of things
[21:13] <negge> dotpavan nope it asks me to install missing plugins
[21:13] <dotpavan> nosrednaekim, would gnash work for flash9 requiring pages?
[21:13] <negge> I'll try gnash again
[21:13] <negge> if it works for others it just has to work for me somehow
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> dotpavan: I don't know....
[21:14] <negge> nosrednaekim should I install gnash by clicking install missing plugins in FF or is there a somehow better way to do it?
[21:16] <negge> weird, no I suddenly got a popup saying there's 1 update available and apparently flashplugin-nonfree is upgradable
[21:17] <negge> i'll do what it says and see what happens...
[21:17] <D3> Me again...
[21:18] <negge> dotpavan it's still the same
[21:18] <negge> video starts playing and freezes after 2 seconds, if I skip forward it plays for 2 seconds again then stops
[21:18] <dotpavan> darn 64-bit :)
[21:18] <peter77> I'm using a Toshiba Satellite Pro A120, when I plug in headphones into the headphone socket the speakers do not mute, this issues has been on going since gutsy!
[21:18] <negge> dotpavan yeah:P
[21:18] <negge> i hope they fix it for the stable release
[21:19] <D3> I've tried installing the 8.04 beta through WUBI but after it reaches about 55%, it says it can't access the disk and as soon as I press "retry" it showsno problems until the same precentage where it stops again (It's happened twice, trying to install it again now)
[21:19] <negge> a release cannot be considered stable if installing flash the way 95% of its users do it doesn't work
[21:20] <negge> peter77 can you mute the speakers from the sound mixer?
[21:21] <keb> why not ship a working gnash with the bundled icefox?
[21:21] <dotpavan> D3: did you check if the disk is fine?
[21:21] <fiXXXerMet> OK, GRUB & LILO just won't install.   I've tried it on 3 servers now with both physical disks and mounted .iso images on a virtual server.
[21:21] <peter77> negge, yes
[21:22] <cwillu> negge, that's after a firefox restart right?
[21:22] <savvas> fiXXXerMet: which virtual machine software? did you use IDE or SCSI?
[21:22] <negge> cwillu of course
[21:22] <gotgnu> Hi I am running ubuntu hardy beta and I get the white screen of death then I try to turn on compiz...any ideas?
[21:22] <esurnir> oh btw did xorg.conf changed with hardy heron ?
[21:22] <negge> happened on my previous installation too (reinstalling today due to some crazy bug with fglrx)
[21:22] <fiXXXerMet> savvas: vmware server as scsi
[21:22] <negge> esurnir yeah
[21:23] <savvas> fiXXXerMet: try as IDE, it might work
[21:23] <fiXXXerMet> Hmm, LILO just worked - took a while though.
[21:23] <esurnir> because to make ubuntu work under VirtualBox I had to install it from 7.10 and do a distupgrade
[21:23] <esurnir> I couldn't set the window size any other way
[21:23] <negge> fiXXXerMet I had the same problem when trying to install debian in vmware
[21:23] <negge> how did you solve it?
[21:23] <D3> dotpavan, I used it succesfully as a Live CD, should I try burning it to another disk?
[21:24] <esurnir> (under virtualbox I have to manually edit the file on 7.10 then do the dist upgrade)
[21:24] <negge> gonna go for a cigarette break now...
[21:24] <D3> It gets to exactly 58.0%, freezes there and then gives me that error
[21:24] <esurnir> do you know where are the screensize settings under hardy heron?
[21:24] <adilson> yay fixed my problem that was easier than i thought, i dont need the irc any more :D
[21:24] <adilson> :( im sorry i'll behave i do need the irc
[21:24] <gunashekar> :)
[21:25] <esurnir> because it's -not- under xorg.conf
[21:25] <dotpavan> D3, it is always good to check the iso before burning..
[21:25] <D3> dotpavan, how should I check it? I still have it on my hard drive
[21:26] <dotpavan> D3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[21:29] <negge> esurnir you mean in xorg.conf?
[21:31] <negge> esurnir sorry didn't see your last line:D
[21:31] <esurnir> yes
[21:31] <negge> the new xorg is supposed to automatically detect every setting, you can't configure it manually anymore
[21:31] <Wobbo> Major bug found... 1 out of 3 times when i let my bluetooth optical mouse connect to my laptop computer the system freezes, The system has a kernel/hardware freeze... A led on my computer starts to blink.
[21:31] <esurnir> oh bugger
[21:31] <negge> if you could I wouldn't have had to reinstall ubuntu today
[21:31] <negge> it really sucks
[21:32] <esurnir> well the problem is that virtualbox doesn't publish any windows size
[21:32] <esurnir> so ubuntu "assume" it's 800x600 :S
[21:32] <negge> esurnir okay
[21:32] <D3> dotpavan, the "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes" page doesn't have the MD5 thingy for 8.04 Hardy Heron beta, is it elsewhere on the website?
[21:33] <negge> esurnir can you change resolution from System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution?
[21:33] <Flannel> D3: They're in the same directory as the isos
[21:34] <esurnir> nopd
[21:34] <esurnir> nope
[21:34] <Kl4m> 523db182ecea4c929e4ab26ddaadfb40  ubuntu-8.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[21:34] <esurnir> can't
[21:34] <negge> damn
[21:34] <esurnir> it say "800x600 or 640x480
[21:34] <esurnir> and I'm 1440 x 900
[21:34] <esurnir> (laptop)
[21:34] <negge> esurnir you could always try to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[21:35] <dotpavan> esurnir, you can edit xorg.conf by manually adding the appropriate line with that screen res
[21:35] <negge> although when I tried it it just asked me about my keyboard
[21:35] <dotpavan> esurnir, but beware, make a copy first as backup
[21:35] <esurnir> well I don't recognize the xorg.conf anymore .__.;;;
[21:35] <negge> esurnir if you have an old copy of xorg.conf from gutsy left somewhere you can copy paste it from there
[21:35] <negge> but like dotpavan said, be sure to make a backup
[21:35] <esurnir> yes I'm going to do that if I need to upgrade
[21:36] <negge> yeah
[21:36] <Kl4m> the dpkg-reconfigure will rebuild a xorg.conf
[21:36] <esurnir> well it asked me for my keyboard
[21:36] <esurnir> no screensize
[21:36] <esurnir> well I tried without the -phigh
[21:36] <negge> esurnir yeah there's 10 questions about the keyboard but nothing about the monitor:D it's really stupid...
[21:36] <D3> Flannel, do you mean the "http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta" page? If so, I cannot find it there.
[21:37] <D3> oh, sorry, Kl4m posted it
[21:37] <D3> Thanks Kl4m
[21:37] <dotpavan> D3, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290339
[21:37] <Kl4m> Most monitors just report the resolutions they can handle, and Ubuntu takes the Highest. At least I guess it's how it works
[21:38] <Kl4m> LCD monitors
[21:38] <Flannel> D3: like here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/  Up at the top is an MD5 file
[21:38] <esurnir> Well VirtualBox don't report any screesize
[21:38] <dotpavan> D3, get the md5 from where you got the iso.. that way you can check the integrity of the iso
[21:39] <sourcemaker_> Can I use the SAP GUI for java in Kubuntu Hardy?
[21:39] <esurnir> (and the last request to add screeensize was closed with "you can edit xorg.conf"
[21:39] <Kl4m> esurnir: The installer should ask for this info but it doesn't... meanwhile you can replace the "800x600" around the end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with "1440x900"
[21:40] <esurnir> well right now I'm in 1440
[21:40] <D3> dotpavan, I did that too, and the MD5 checksums are the same
[21:40] <esurnir> but what i did was install gutsy edit the xorg then dist-upgrade
[21:40] <prodigel> Hi all. I'm using transmission for the first time and I don't see a tray icon alltough the option is checked in edit preferences. Any idea? I'm using ubuntu hardy heron
[21:40] <esurnir> installing directly the hardy heron is equivalent to commiting sepuku >__<;
[21:41] <Kl4m> esurnir: xserver-xorg must have reconfigured during the upgrade and put back the 800x600 right
[21:41] <esurnir> I think so but it was still in a format where 800x600 was sighted
[21:41] <esurnir> while when I do a direct install
[21:41] <Kl4m> (I installed hardy directly because gutsy didn't support my brand new nvidia 8 series)
[21:41] <esurnir> from the iso
[21:42] <esurnir> I get no "800x600"
[21:42] <esurnir> anywhere...
[21:43] <Kl4m> Oh that's bad. What does X do then? Does it crash with "no screens found"?
[21:43] <esurnir> I think I'll keep my current xorg.conf as a backup somewhere on my windows host (go ahead boooh me)
[21:43] <esurnir> No right now on this vm it work perfectly
[21:43] <Sergeant_Pony> BOOOOH!
[21:43] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[21:43] <esurnir> But I was thinking if this vm crash and I need to install a new one I think it suck to have to make an install from gutsy before upgrading
[21:44] <D3> brb, I'm going to check the CD I burned the ISO on for defects.
[21:49] <dotpavan> esurnir, I read that Xorg 7.2 has this new feature : when you delete the xorg.conf file it will regenerate a new one with default settings hopefully working on that hardware
[21:49] <prodigel> Nobody knows how I can see that icon in system tray? If I close the app I cannot see any progress, trying to start it again it says another session is runing.
[21:50] <dotpavan> prodigel, try alltray
[21:51] <prodigel> dotpavan: sure :), perfect sollution. I just thought gnome fans would help me. It seems ktorrent will remain the best torrent client ...
[21:52] <prodigel> dotpavan: hmm, it seems it's bigger that this. even alltray wouldn't show up
[21:58] <pen> is there a way to change encoding of filenames?
[21:59] <pen> I got some pictures with chinese names on, when i copy over to nautilus it says invalid encoding
[21:59] <pen> what should i do?
[22:01] <D3> I've checked the MD5 checksum and I've checked the CD for errors, but the WUBI installer still freezes at58%
[22:01] <melani9> www.thePHPportal.tk I need help, I can't see my website! SQL error
[22:02] <melani9> www.thePHPportal.tk I need help, I can't see my website! SQL error
[22:08] <ogre> my update messed up due to the fact i was using bzr AWN here is the output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63355/ any help would be appreciated
[22:14] <hardy64> hey everyone, im testing hardy and cannot get a bluetooth usb adapter to even power on when plugged in. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 755. I didn't see any bugs related to bluetooth on launchpad, and thought I'd ask here
[22:15] <hardy64> it works fine when plugged into my gutsy laptop and winbox
[22:16] <Leftmost> I have updated a bunch of upstream gedit translations. They show up on launchpad but do not appear in gedit after a language pack upgrade. A few, in fact. Any ideas?
[22:16] <dotpavan> hardy64, does lsusb recognize it?
[22:17] <hardy64> let me check,
[22:18] <hardy64> dotpavan: it does, Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode). But it doesn't light up
[22:19] <hardy64> i had been typing lshw
[22:19] <dotpavan> do you have bluezutils?
[22:19] <D3> yay, it's gotten past 58% (where it previously stopped)
[22:20] <chuy_max> I was thinking of using fat as some of you say, the drawback of it is that the HDD will get slow if I fill the partition, or defrag it on a constant basis
[22:20] <hardy64> dotpavan: yes, bluez-audio, bluez-cups, bluez-gnome, bluez-utils, and python-bluez are all installed
[22:20] <hardy64> i ran sudo dpkg -l | grep "bluez" to find out
[22:20] <chuy_max> I haven't dealt with any problem using NTFS-3G, just heard that it was not safe 100%
[22:20] <chuy_max> I've screwed ext partitions when used in windows though
[22:21] <chuy_max> using ext2ifs driver
[22:21] <ogre> my update messed up due to the fact i was using bzr AWN here is the output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63355/ any help would be appreciated
[22:22] <dotpavan> not sure if this helps, try hcitool <options>, say, scan?
[22:22] <gunashekar> why Disapp
[22:24] <hardy64> dotpavan: device is not available: no such device, but typing hci <TAB> lead me to hciconfig, so im gonna read the man pages on that. should I file a bug report? since it isn't automatically recognized?
[22:25] <dotpavan> would recommend that right away, my unnamed bluetooth toggle worked, so your named branded should defi work :)
[22:25] <dotpavan> *wouldnt*
[22:36] <D3> Me....Again...
[22:36] <pen> I got some pictures with chinese names on, when i copy over to nautilus it says invalid encoding
[22:36] <pen> what should i do?
[22:37] <D3> When booting into Ubuntu, I press ESC to go into the boot modes thing, and choose "Safe graphic mode", and it then comes up with some busy box thing (I can't exactly remember the name), what do I do there?
[22:40] <D3> Anybody?
[22:40] <yacc> What's the official way to LUKS format a partition in Ubuntu?
[22:41] <yacc> Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/sdb1 contains at least 133 sectors. <= which does not make sense, because the named cipher is used already for a different LUKS device, and the partition is slightly under 100GB or so.
[22:42] <yacc> :) unmounting the empty partition helps.
[22:46] <jk__> can i mount harddrives across network like its possible in xp?
[22:47] <igormorgado> jk__: sure.
[22:47] <void^> you can mount things like smb shares if that's what you mean
[22:49] <jk__> i can with individual shared folders but, if i did that alone I would have a lot of shared folders mounted. i want to mount and have access to the whole drive
[22:50] <void^> use sshfs then
[22:50] <jk__> i tried sharing hdd in /media but no go
[22:50] <jk__> !sshfs
[22:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sshfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:52] <D3> void^, can you help me with my problem? (I've already said what the problem is, just scroll up)
[22:52] <jk__> just installing sshfs
[22:53] <UnNaturalHigh> jk__, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[22:54] <jk__> just on that website already thanks though
[22:54] <UnNaturalHigh> jk__, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[22:54] <UnNaturalHigh> cool
[22:54] <D3> When booting into Ubuntu, I press ESC to go into the boot modes thing, and choose "Safe graphic mode", and it then comes up with some busy box thing (I can't exactly remember the name), what do I do there?
[22:55] <D3> Anybody?
[22:59] <Don_Miguel> !paste | D3
[22:59] <ubotu> D3: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:00] <D3> what? I don't understand...
[23:02] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Did you catch that there's a patch for our problem now?
[23:02] <void^> D3: typically you are dropped to busybox if it can't access the root device. there's probably an incorrect device specified on the kernel commandline, or your initramfs is missing the controller driver. just look at the console output above the prompt. should be able to scroll up, too.
[23:02] <Kill_X> swuboo, yes
[23:04] <swuboo> Kill_X:  And whee, I can still reproduce it.
[23:04] <Kill_X> swuboo, seems quite fixed here :o
[23:05] <swuboo> Kill_X:  I just tried unplugging and replugging my external.  STIMSON and STIMSON_.
[23:05] <Kill_X> swuboo, what's your version of the initscripts package?
[23:06] <Kill_X> dpkg -s initscripts | grep Version:
[23:07] <AaronMT> Hi, I am having a problem with Hardy playing back DVD's. DVD playback is pretty slow in Totem. Any ideas?
[23:07] <AaronMT> Nothing running in the background
[23:08] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Actually, it's sorting it out by itself.  Looks like it is working now.
[23:09] <Kill_X> swuboo, alright. I wasn't able to observe the old behavior today...
[23:10] <Kill_X> gotta get to bed now, only 5 hours left until I've got to get up again :S
[23:10] <Kill_X> gn8
[23:10] <swuboo> Kill_X:  I managed to make it generate a duplicate of the mount point for my external, but the duplicate point vanished.
[23:10] <swuboo> Kill_X:  G'night.
[23:15] <Jordan_U> Is anyone else having problems with restricted drivers and kernel -16 ?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> Will there likely be another kernel version before Hardy final? I wasn't worried because I have not had any problems with other versions and thought it would be quickly fixed with -17 but my Atheros card and ATI card and ATI drivers are failing to load with -16
[23:20] <jk__> i am trying to use sshfs but how do i add the nonempty option there is a bunch of -o
[23:23] <jk__> sshfs jk@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/jk/files /home/rambaldi/Desktop -p 545 where do i add the nonempt mount option
[23:24] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone not able to play dvd's ? I tried and get a "cannot read media"..
[23:24] <Sergeant_Pony> happenes to every one I try
[23:43] <Ratshell> Anyone had any luck compiling the compiz screensavers in hardy heroN?
[23:50] <RyanPrior> Could Windows games be packaged using dpkg and fetched using APT, so long as they depended on Wine?
[23:50] <RyanPrior> If so, we should try some of that for Intrepid. It would be nice to be able to have Steam in Multiverse or Medibuntu, for example.
[23:51] <RyanPrior> Heck, we could do more than games as well. I'd love to see Notepad++ in Universe, which is a great OSS programmer's editor for Windows.
[23:52] <ampex2> is it possible to upgrade from 7.10 server to 8.04?
[23:53] <RyanPrior> ampex2: It sure is.
[23:54] <Agrajag-> my hardy box is crashing frequently. it seems to have something to do with metacity, though i'm not sure. sometimes X seems to crash and i'm brought back to the login screen. other times everything just totally freezes and i have to hit the power button. once when it froze the LEDs on my keyboard were flashing. anyone else experiencing frequent crashes like this?
[23:54] <Agrajag-> i'm using the radeon driver with dual head configuration, no desktop effects
[23:55] <bewst> is it normal to have disk partitions under /dev/mapper/ when *NOT* using LVM?
[23:55] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: crashing with flashing LEDs tends to indicate kernel panics, which can be due to loose connections in your box, a bad motherboard, a failing file system, bad RAM, or a borked kernel.
[23:57] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: In any case, it seems doubtful based on what you said that Metacity is causing the problem. Is there more info you didn't disclose? IE, you tried a different WM and the problem went away?
[23:57] <forrest> hi, I am having a problem with flash playing in FF 3... I installed the 'flashplugin-nonfree' but video stops after 2 seconds
[23:58] <Agrajag-> oh, sorry, i forgot one part - i get "Apr 16 07:42:20 wbsdev5 kernel: [ 1298.761686] metacity[7681]: segfault at 08247c8f eip b7a75a8e esp bfade950 error 4" (from /var/log/messages) that's what makes me think metacity has something to do with it
[23:58] <bewst> can anyone not using LVM do an "ls /dev/mapper/" and tell me what they see?
[23:58] <RyanPrior> bewst: I don't have a directory /dev/mapper/
[23:58] <bewst> You're running Hardy?
[23:59] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: Nope, the segfault just happened to occur while dealing with the Metacity process. Metacity itself should not be able to cause a segfault.
[23:59] <RyanPrior> bewst: I am, and most people in this channel are. :-)_
[23:59] <Agrajag-> ah ok
[23:59] <bewst> RyanPrior: I figured.  What CD did you use to install?  Or is this an upgrade?
[23:59] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand a way to make it impossible to drag titlebars under a gnome-panel?