[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> GrandPa-G, sure, but I  can't help as such with yours, since rarely use xfce. but I guess there may be a setting to keep it on, on boot
[17:30] <eg0r> I have windows installed
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, and tat's it ?
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> only Windows
[17:30] <eg0r> yes
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok you can dual boot with Ubuntu
[17:30] <ahrix> - I have Linux
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !dualboot
[17:31] <ahrix> - Yes
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> ahrix  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, but on a uefi system which your windows 8 computer is likely to be, that can be a littel tricky or at first
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !uefi
[17:31] <eg0r> i tried searching online
[17:31] <eg0r> they show that there is an option to select install ubuntu/kubuntu along side windows but I dont even get the option
[17:31] <squinty> GrandPa-G, might want to try in #xubuntu if no luck here
[17:32] <GrandPa-G> squinty: didn't know it existed. Will stop by there, thanks.
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, if you have booted up from a Live CD/DVD/USB there should be yes
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in the installer
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, if  you have made one, and it's not booting, that's something else
[17:33] <knittel> france here
[17:34] <knittel> its real international here
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, yes indeed
[17:34] <eg0r> its booting from live usb
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, ok that's a good start
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, install optionsa re only in the installer
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, boot up the lile session
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try ubuntu from usb
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try that
[17:34] <knittel> i like this page, good way to learn "howto"
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, things work ok enough like that?
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, may want to re size Windows first using Windows, and backing up data as well, before trying to put UBuntu on as well
[17:35] <eg0r> I get manual option to install
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, this channel?
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, show me a screne shot, but there should be like install  ubuntu alongside windows options evven
[17:35] <eg0r> I have resized the windows disk
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !screenshot
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, what kind of computer is it ?
[17:36] <eg0r> there is no install alongside windows option in my case
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, also was fast boot and secure boot disabled  or ot?
[17:36] <eg0r> its a laptop
[17:36] <eg0r> dell vostro 2520
[17:36] <knittel> indeed sebt
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, ok but it came with Windows 8 so liekly to be a UEFI system as well ah
[17:37] <eg0r> both were disabled
[17:37] <knittel> kk, i need to say the good words but i dont have the hang of linux language
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, ok show me a screenshot of   wher it gives option for custom install
[17:37] <eg0r> no it came with ubuntu actually
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> did it oh
[17:37] <EriC^^> eg0r: what are you trying to do?
[17:37] <ducasse> eg0r: probably because windows is installed in uefi mode and you boot the installer in legacy or vice versa
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r,  so you put win 8 on yourself ?
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, I thin he's trying to dual boot or intsall UBuntu
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or wanting to
[17:37] <ahrix> - good bye
[17:38] <eg0r> yes, I got windows key when I was in college
[17:38] <mitchel> ducasse, you can still boot the installer in uefi
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !manual knittel
[17:38] <ahrix> - I go to sleep :D
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !manual
[17:38] <mitchel> ducasse, i got ubuntu installed in uefi mode
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, I think the manual couold be useful for you maybe
[17:38] <eg0r> they were giving out msdn subscription
[17:38] <ducasse> mitchel: i know, i'm saying he probably didn't
[17:38] <knittel> perhaps
[17:38] <mitchel> ducasse, dual booted with windows thats on UEFI ^
[17:38] <EriC^^> eg0r: so windows is already installed right now?
[17:39] <eg0r> @eric yes
[17:39] <EriC^^> eg0r: can you explain the whole problem in a few lines?
[17:39] <knittel> but i know surfing i have vlc compatible and iu have even java and flash player
[17:39] <meta-coder> SystemD has been pushed to 14.04? Where are the release notes?
[17:39] <knittel> only i can not "firmware" my graphics card i  believe so
[17:39] <knittel> i go to check and tx all
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, systemd is not in 14.04
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder,  systemd was put into 15.10 first
[17:40] <eg0r> @eric^^ I am trying to install ubuntu/kubuntu alongside windows 8.1
[17:40] <EriC^^> eg0r: ok, boot the live ubuntu usb and come back here
[17:40] <EriC^^> eg0r: did you already shrink windows to give ubuntu free space?
[17:40] <knittel> quite a book :)
[17:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, you want a graphics card driver? which card?
[17:41] <eg0r> @eric^^ i did
[17:41] <EriC^^> eg0r: ok, boot the live usb and come back
[17:41] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: I see new systemd package in trusty-updates
[17:41] <eg0r> but I did that in D drive not in C
[17:41] <EriC^^> eg0r: np, that'll work
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, that would suprise me,  since systemd is a big thing
[17:41] <eg0r> ok
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, a major thing
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, I woudn't expect that to go to 14.04 as an update
[17:42] <knittel> Intel® 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2
[17:43] <knittel> its an old one i think so
[17:43] <knittel> not sure but i give it more then 10 years
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, oh the computer is over 10 years old ?
[17:43] <knittel> i have it 2nd hand but i think so yes
[17:43] <knittel> but it works fine
[17:43] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/systemd
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, what's the problem /
[17:44] <knittel> so, i need to be careful
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, is that the main repos, or a back ports/
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, if it's one you enabled yourself, then yes maybe, but by default I woudn't think so
[17:44] <knittel> i tried install it the first time and my system crashed totally
[17:44] <knittel> it sais, its not a 64 bits processor
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, install of what /
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[17:45] <knittel> "said"
[17:45] <knittel> graphic driver
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, yes indeed old computer won't be 64bit
[17:45] <knittel> i know i talk 2 things but it was the answer
[17:45] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: It is the main updates repo.
[17:45] <knittel> cant help that
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, make sure you got 32bit Ubuntu installed
[17:45] <knittel> i have
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, Canonical relied on upstart to much for hte mto put in 14.04 I would have thought
[17:46] <knittel> thats easy x86 or 32 bits
[17:46] <ducasse> meta-coder: there are systemd packages in trusty, but they are not used for init
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, an already releaed lts version
[17:46] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: It is conflicting with systemd-shim
[17:46] <eg0r> @eric^^ I think i formatted my usb disk i'll have to make live usb again
[17:46] <EriC^^> eg0r: ok
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, Ubuntu desktop 32 bit so i386
[17:46] <knittel> i installed a 200 computers or so in the past , but i do understand the diff between 32 & 64 :)
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, 64bit  isn't so likely to work on 10 years old system or at all
[17:46] <knittel> but all done with windows never with linux
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 32 bit iso
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !32bit
[17:47] <knittel> that is the reason i mentioned the age of the system
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> install ubuntu in 32bit
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then things should work better
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes
[17:47] <knittel> but not sure, the proc = dualcore i686
[17:47] <knittel> not sure wich category i need to put that one
[17:47] <meta-coder> ducasse: Looks like they have made it available in trusty repos recently, for those willing to use it to replace systemd-shim
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, only two ubuntu isoes to choose frojm. the amd64 not that one, and the i386 the other one
[17:48] <knittel> i have installed 386
[17:48] <knittel> thats not difficult
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, i386 1586  or 1686 it's all 32bit and Ubuntu has i386 for 32bit
[17:48] <knittel> i see thanks
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, and  on that system, graphics card should work or enough, if not might be some kind of driver for it though
[17:48] <ducasse> meta-coder: possibly, but i've not heard anything about it. might be some info on launchpad.
[17:49] <knittel> yes,  i leave it so, it works ok
[17:49] <knittel> better then to destroy my computer
[17:50] <knittel> wwith windows i was good with finding drivers
[17:50] <knittel> but linux finds them automatic
[17:50] <knittel> good point of it
[17:50] <knittel> only the wifi can be problem sometimes
[17:50] <knittel> however on this one it works fine
[17:52] <meta-coder> ducasse, SebthreeBQM10HD: They have recently made a lot of changes: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/systemd/+changelog  Can you explain what this is about?
[17:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, maybe they will force systemd now or kind of, to prepare you for april 2017 when  14.04 will go end of life
[17:56] <ducasse> meta-coder: seems to be about running systemd alongside upstart for those who want it
[18:09] <mitchel> hello hello
[18:10] <mitchel> hello
[18:10] <maslen> What does a configure flag of "--enable-static" actually do?
[18:12] <mitchel> no idea.
[18:12] <mitchel> static is the opposite from dynamic so yeah, thats all i know
[18:16] <LissajousPattern> so i think i figured out the issue with my dell 1012 not booting
[18:16] <mitchel> And it is?
[18:17] <odfhw5bv9s> hi all. How to enable dolphin git plugin?
[18:17] <LissajousPattern> i am going to try downgrading the kernel to a 3. version to see if that fixes it
[18:17] <mitchel> Wouldnt do that.
[18:17] <mitchel> I dont think kernel doesnt have to do anything with it.
[18:17] <LissajousPattern> well i am all ears
[18:17] <BlueCheese> helo ypu all
[18:17] <mitchel> Newer ubuntu´s have parts in their OS that a kernel needs to use. A 3.x kernel cannot use that.
[18:18] <BlueCheese> i Need a thing
[18:18] <mitchel>  hello BlueCheese,
[18:18] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, i have tried arch as well with a 4. kernel
[18:18] <LissajousPattern> and same thing
[18:18] <mitchel> Lisa, can you first issue whats the problem?
[18:19] <LissajousPattern> i did earlier but here it goes.
[18:19] <mitchel> I wasnt online at that moment, so I apologize for that.
[18:19] <LissajousPattern> when i install the latest version of any ubuntu distro i have success booting the new install for the first time after install
[18:19] <mitchel> Yes.
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> after doing the update upgrade dist upgrade process and then try to reboot it fails every time
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> arch included
[18:20] <mitchel> So, you tried Arch and Ubuntu, and both refuse to boot?
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> every linux distro that i have tried has been literally the same
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> mint as well
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> i have tried lots at this point
[18:21] <mitchel> Sounds like a grub error to me.
[18:21] <mitchel> bootloader.
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> i have had ubuntu running before on this same pc
[18:21] <mitchel> Yes, but it looks like the bootloader is broken.
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> but it was with an older version of ubuntu
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> ok
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> so what might you suggest?
[18:21] <mitchel> Try to boot into the system, and hit ctrl alt f2
[18:22] <mitchel> like at the moment it freezes, try to press ctrl alt f2
[18:22] <mitchel> it will probably redirect you to the terminal,
[18:22] <LissajousPattern> ok it will be a minute before i can try i just finished yet another fresh install
[18:23] <mitchel> Format the whole partitions
[18:23] <LissajousPattern> thanks for the help by the way
[18:23] <mitchel> Delete every single partition and re-create them
[18:23] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, i have
[18:23] <mitchel> Tried formatting your whole drive?
[18:23] <LissajousPattern> yes before the install
[18:23] <mitchel> Partitions are ext4, and the mount point is /
[18:23] <mitchel> ?
[18:24] <LissajousPattern> for some reason the partition says ext2
[18:24] <LissajousPattern> sda
[18:24] <mitchel> Change it to ext4.
[18:24] <mitchel> Ext2 is outdated.
[18:24] <LissajousPattern> when i look at the e option in grub it was ext2
[18:24] <tomreyn> ext2/4 is a file format, not a partition type
[18:25] <mitchel> Ext4 is not a fileformat, its a filesystem. Which refers to partition type.
[18:25] <tomreyn> there are partitioning utiliteis which try to etect thje file system on a partition, and misdetect it as ext2
[18:25] <LissajousPattern> hmm
[18:25] <mitchel> .txt is a file format.
[18:26] <mitchel> ext4 is a filesystem, and also partition utilities have to display it correctly.
[18:26] <mitchel> They probably don´t misdetect it as ext4.
[18:27] <LissajousPattern> from the terminal how do i check which it is?
[18:27] <mitchel> cfdisk /dev/sda
[18:27] <mitchel> sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[18:28] <newbsduser> hello guys, how can I get picture of a link from console... for instance: visitit http://localhost/report.php report.png
[18:28] <LissajousPattern> type just says linux
[18:28] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: if you install ubuntu, it boots properly first time, then refuses to boot after installing updates?
[18:28] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, yes
[18:29] <mitchel> wget (link)
[18:29] <mitchel> ls
[18:29] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: i would try enabling boot messages and see where it fails
[18:30] <mitchel> ducasse, i still think its either a very outdated filesystem or a bootloader failure
[18:30] <mitchel> newbsduser, wget (link here)
[18:30] <ducasse> mitchel: unlikely, it boots first time after install, indicating that some update breaks it
[18:31] <LissajousPattern> we will find out soon enough
[18:31] <mitchel> ducasse, but no distros work for him
[18:31] <LissajousPattern> yeah none at all
[18:31] <mitchel> ducasse, he tried arch, mint and other ubuntu systems and none worked, its unlikely that its a kernel issue or an update that broke it. Likely grub thats faulty.
[18:32] <LissajousPattern> the last version of ubuntu that was installed successfully i am pretty sure was running 3. kernel
[18:32] <ducasse> mitchel: first boot of ubuntu after install is ok
[18:32] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, No. Latest version of ubuntu does not run the 3. kernel.
[18:32] <LissajousPattern> i said the last one that was capable of running on this machine
[18:33] <LissajousPattern> i have had it on here before just not the latest release
[18:33] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, 14.04 runs 3. kernel i believe
[18:33] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: ok, so at what point does it fail now, can you boot the installer?
[18:33] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, but i dont think like i said that its a kernel issue,
[18:34] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, i have been able to successfully boot all live usb
[18:34] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: ok, does the install succeed?
[18:34] <LissajousPattern> and yes the installers as well
[18:34] <LissajousPattern> yes
[18:34] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: but first boot fails?
[18:35] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, no
[18:35] <LissajousPattern> first boot is good
[18:35] <LissajousPattern> but after update/upgrade and reboot then it fails
[18:36] <OerHeks> What fails exactly? can you paste /var/log/boot.log to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:36] <LissajousPattern> OerHeks, no at the moment
[18:36] <LissajousPattern> and i have checked logs but cant make heads or tails of them
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> i am not that well versed yet
[18:37] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: can you enable boot messages by editing kernel cmdline?
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> yes
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> and i have
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> but nothing says out right "fail"
[18:38] <eg0r> @eric^^ are you there?
[18:38] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: ok. can you try booting in recovery mode?
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> everything in fact says "ok" but it just freezes part way through
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, yes
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> and i tried every option to fix it through recovery
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> but nothing worked
[18:38] <eg0r> @Eric^^ are you there?
[18:39] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: if you can boot in recovery and post the boot.log, we can get somewhere
[18:39] <LissajousPattern> and if i try too boot while in recovery it also fails
[18:39] <mitchel> Lissa, in recovery press ctrl alt f2
[18:39] <LissajousPattern> this is why its been so difficult for me to find an answer
[18:40] <LissajousPattern> well it will be a moment i am trying something else first i am halfway through this certain process
[18:40] <mitchel> ctrl alt f2 will let you access the terminal.
[18:41] <LissajousPattern> i tried that previously and even that was giving me trouble
[18:41] <eg0r> Hi all I am trying to install ubuntu alongside windows 8.1, currently live booted from usb
[18:42] <mitchel> eg0r,
[18:42] <LissajousPattern> the terminal would appear and then disappear instantly before i could even enter anything in
[18:42] <mitchel> eg0r, im willing to help you
[18:42] <eg0r> hi mitchel
[18:42] <mitchel> eg0r, Is windows 8.1 installed as UEFI or Legacy>?
[18:42] <backbox> Salut
[18:43] <eg0r> @mitchel aren't they interchangeable
[18:43] <backbox> No french ?
[18:43] <eg0r> @mitchel currently on legacy
[18:43] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, the reason i think it may be the kernel is because someone else had the same exact problem and he tried every variant that used 4. kernel and had the same problem but he was able to get it working with 3. for whatever reason
[18:43] <LissajousPattern> so i am trying it first
[18:43] <ducasse> !backbox | backbox
[18:44] <mitchel> eg0r, I would still suggest to check it, to do this, boot up into Windows, hit Windows + R and type in msinfo32
[18:44] <LissajousPattern> its really no big deal at this point if it does not work i will try whatever else
[18:44] <mitchel> LissajousPattern,  Might aswell that your hardware isnt supported for the 4.x kernel.
[18:44] <eg0r> @mitchel its currently on legacy, I've checked
[18:44] <mitchel> Alright, good
[18:45] <Guest39387> Help,Newby 2 months, ubuntu xfce desktop, trying to add lxde desktop, when i log out only xfce session and xubuntu session avilable after installing lxde, No unity available either
[18:45] <eg0r> how can I give you my screenshot
[18:46] <mitchel> eg0r, go to the partitioning tool and create two partitions: One ext4 partition, about 30 GB minimum, set mount point to /, and a 3-4G swap partition, tick the format box next to those partitions and click continue
[18:46] <mitchel> Make a photo with your phone and send it to me I guess.
[18:46] <knittel> good evening to all again
[18:47] <mitchel> knittel, good evening.
[18:47]  * LissajousPattern crosses fingers while booting 3. kernel
[18:47] <knittel> hello Mitchel
[18:47] <knittel> i'm reading the manual
[18:47] <knittel> its very good :)
[18:47] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, I think it will work. 4.x kernel is probably a hardware related issue, which I didn´t think of.
[18:48] <LissajousPattern> we shall see
[18:48] <eg0r> @mitchel sent you the screenshot
[18:48] <LissajousPattern> success! thanks for all the help though
[18:49] <LissajousPattern> holy crap
[18:49] <Guest39387>  Help,Newby 2 months, ubuntu xfce desktop, trying to add lxde desktop, when i log out only xfce session and xubuntu session avilable after installing lxde, No unity available either
[18:49] <mitchel> eg0r, can you please send it again?
[18:49] <LissajousPattern> its taken me literally a couple of years to get this system back
[18:49] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, What I would do immediately is to report this issue. This is a hardware related problem to the kernel.
[18:49] <LissajousPattern> finally
[18:50] <mitchel> Kernel related problem to the hardware better said.
[18:50] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, idk how
[18:50] <eg0r> @mitchel sent you the screenshot
[18:50] <eg0r> @mitchel its a pm
[18:50] <mitchel> eg0r its not saving for some reason
[18:50] <eg0r> ok
[18:51] <mitchel> eg0r could you try to upload it to imgur?
[18:51] <LissajousPattern> bbiab its time to celebrate with some omelets
[18:51] <mitchel> and send the link?
[18:51] <LissajousPattern> again thanks for all the time and effort
[18:52] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, Yeah. Again, report this issue to the ones who create the kernel, with system specifications provided.
[18:52] <mitchel> eg0r, Upload the picture to imgur.com
[18:52] <tomreyn> "ubuntu-bug linux"
[18:53] <mitchel> tomreyn, He has to give the issue to the ones who create the kernel, Linux, and not to Ubuntu.
[18:53] <Guest39387> can anyone tell me why when i have installed an additional desktop it is not listed in the log in screen?
[18:53] <mitchel> eg0r, did you upload the file already?
[18:55] <tomreyn> mitchel: if the non-working kernel is one form ubuntu, then ubuntu should receive the bug report (since kernels are modified). i would think the ubuntu bug trigers will either report an upstream bug or ask the bug reporter to do so if needed.
[18:55] <tomreyn> s/ form / from /
[18:55] <mitchel> tomreyn, he tried multiple distros that arent ubuntu based and they didnt work aswell
[18:56] <mitchel> tomreyn, usually kernels aren´t modified, as you can install the kernels from kernel.org
[18:56] <OerHeks> mitchel, ubuntu kernels are ..
[18:56] <ducasse> mitchel: ubuntu's kernels _are_ modified
[18:57] <wookie_> I'm trying to install a program and it requires libboost-regex1.58.0         How do I install it?  I keep getting  Unable to locate package libboost-regex1.58.0
[18:57] <ducasse> mitchel: besides, it's not at all clear this is a kernel issue
[18:57] <mitchel> ducasse, well, if it works with 3.0 and not with 4.0, and no other distro works, then I think its a kernel issue.
[18:57] <carbine> Hello everyone. I am unable to use optirun after suspend. Running an 820m using the nvidia-365 drivers on Xubuntu 16.04
[18:58] <tomreyn> LissajousPattern: had you tried a firmware (bios / uefi) update?
[18:58] <mitchel> tomreyn, thats something that could be an issue too.
[18:58] <mitchel> eg0r, hello, you still there?
[18:58] <Guest39387> hello
[18:59] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/0kl79
[18:59] <OerHeks> tomreyn, that machine has no UEFI afaik, dell 1012
[18:59] <Guest39387> scott +r
[18:59] <OerHeks> old intel 3150 ..
[18:59] <tomreyn> i see, hadnt checked
[18:59] <OerHeks> My best guess: faulty disk.
[18:59] <mitchel> eg0r, so you´re running Kubuntu, show me the partition part of the installer
[18:59] <OerHeks> ( without boot log there is no way saying )
[19:00] <Scott>  Help,Newby 2 months, ubuntu xfce desktop, trying to add lxde desktop, when i log out only xfce session and xubuntu session avilable after installing lxde, No unity available either
[19:00] <eg0r> @mitchel i am running kubuntu yes
[19:01] <mitchel> eg0r, show me a screenshot of the installer part where the partitions are shown.
[19:01] <eg0r> @mitchel what do you mean by the partition part of the installer
[19:01] <Citizen__> Hi, I am using Kodi as a media server and it works great for files. I would like to share also video addons so I can watch video addons from TV. Is this possible?
[19:01] <mitchel> eg0r, screenshot me the installer
[19:01] <mitchel> eg0r, to the point where it says: Where to install Ubuntu?
[19:02] <eg0r> thats what I sent you mitchel
[19:02] <uxfi> pranam all
[19:02] <mitchel> eg0r,  thats not the installer...
[19:02] <mitchel> eg0r, you only sent me a screenshot of konversation..
[19:04] <ArgentWarrior> Is there a way to force case-sensitivity on a specific folder (and subdirectories) or on an NTFS disk image? I play and mod my games on Linux a lot, and modding Oblivion is a total PITA because of case-sensitivity. Two files with the exact same content can exist, but one might be capitalized, and this makes my games crash or display black or purple textures
[19:05] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/lGUim
[19:05] <mitchel> hit manual
[19:05] <mitchel> and again show me a screenshot.
[19:07] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/QZXaD
[19:07] <mitchel> hit continue and show me a screenshot again,
[19:07] <eg0r> I've already clicked on that its taking time
[19:07] <mitchel> oh
[19:08] <mitchel> its probably mounting everything
[19:08] <mitchel> it will take a moment, had it too
[19:09] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/W77Mc
[19:10] <ArgentWarrior> *case-insensitivity I mean
[19:10] <mitchel> Ok, click the unusable (last and hit add), enter an amount like 40 GB, make file system ext4 and the mount point is /
[19:10] <eg0r> ok
[19:11] <Citizen__> Hi, I am using Kodi as a media server and it works great for files. I would like to share also video addons so I can watch video addons from TV.  Understand?
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> it's lonely teenager time again
[19:19] <mitchel> eg0r, you only are allowed to have a max of 4 partitions
[19:19] <rafal> MonkeyDust is a child molester. Confirmed.
[19:19] <kr3uzdidit> Is this seventh grade study hall momma joke hour?
[19:19] <eg0r> same is the case when i try with ununtu mitchel
[19:19] <eg0r> ok
[19:20] <mitchel> eg0r, wait a second.
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !troll
[19:20] <rafal> sudo rm -rf /
[19:20] <mitchel> dont enter that command
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ops
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> don't run that comand
[19:20] <rafal> RUN IT
[19:20] <rafal> It will speed up your machine
[19:20] <kr3uzdidit> lmao
[19:21] <rafal> hahahaha... I run it at least twice a week.
[19:21] <mitchel> dont run it
[19:21] <rafal> Mitchel is a newfag
[19:21] <eg0r> sda1, sda2, unusable1 and sda 3 are unusable to me but windows has taken it up
[19:21] <mitchel> eg0r, go back to windows and make those partitions extended.
[19:21] <eg0r> i wont do it rafal
[19:21] <rafal> eg0r - YOU MUST
[19:22] <eg0r> mitchel: i have tried but its not happening
[19:22] <mitchel> eg0r, go back to Windows, create two partitions and make it an extended partition
[19:23] <rizonz> 4~has there been changed something on 14.04 for rootlogin ? I cannot SSH to the box with PermitRootLogin yes in the ssh config
[19:23] <kloeri> rafal: drop the trolling please
[19:23] <eg0r> that 389 gb of unusable has an extended partition of 80 gb
[19:23] <scott_mills> hello]
[19:23] <eg0r> mitchel: i had allocated that space to install ubuntu
[19:23] <mitchel> I cant see any partitions in there.
[19:24] <eg0r> mitchel:  i dont either
[19:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> scott_mills, hi
[19:25] <mitchel> eg0r, try to go to gparted in KDE
[19:25] <scott_mills> i am trying to fix a problem that xubuntu has
[19:25] <scott_mills> i installed lxde
[19:26] <mitchel> eg0r, if its not on the disc, click the K button, and search for Konsole, then type in: sudo apt-get install gparted
[19:26] <eg0r> done
[19:26] <scott_mills> however only xfce session, and xubuntu session are listed to use
[19:27] <mitchel> type in sudo gparted
[19:27] <mitchel> and screenshot me the window.
[19:27] <wookie_> Can someone walk me through installing a program called LinSSID for ubuntu 14.04?
[19:27] <wookie_> I'm lost
[19:29] <tehBTP> @wookie: http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-linssid-2-7-on-ubuntu-14-10-ubuntu-14-04-debian-8-debian-7-and-derivative-systems/
[19:30] <scott_mills> can anyone help?
[19:30] <wookie_> @tehBTP dude if this works, I will love you long time
[19:31] <ioria> wookie_, there is also a ppa if you really want https://launchpad.net/~wseverin/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:31] <eg0r> mitchel: gparted is starting up
[19:31] <mitchel> did you do it with sudo gparted?
[19:32] <wookie_> ioria, thanks.  I'm still an Ubuntu noob
[19:32] <ioria> wookie_,  it's the same tehBTP posted :þ
[19:32] <wookie_> Oh, cheers, hah.  Like I said I'm a total noob
[19:33] <ahi2> scott: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure lxde
[19:33] <eg0r> mitchel: http://imgur.com/a/6aCEO
[19:34] <mitchel> okay,highlight unallocated and hit partition then New
[19:34] <wookie_> tehBTP, thanks it finally worked.  I was trying to install it some other way.  I appreciate it!
[19:35] <mitchel> make it the amount you´d like and make it as extended.
[19:37] <mitchel> eg0r, highlight unallocated > at the global menu, hit Partition then New
[19:37] <eg0r> mitchel: http://imgur.com/a/mtoEC
[19:37] <mitchel> eg0r, did you make it extended?
[19:37] <mitchel> first also delete that 3 gb unallocated partition
[19:38] <eg0r> no mitchel, its already extended
[19:39] <eg0r> mitchel:  i am unable to delete that 3 GiB of un allocated space
[19:39] <tehBTP> wookie_, i'm still new to linux but from my years of working on windows I can tell you google is your best friend.
[19:40] <eg0r> even in windows, its the recovery disk that had ubuntu recovery in it when I had purchased the laptop
[19:40] <Miklo> has anyone managed to install pipelight in ubuntu 16.10 ?
[19:40] <eg0r> mitchel: it just doesn't goes away
[19:41] <skinux> I need a way to see all software and libraries that have been installed, that WERE NOT installed out-of-the-box?
[19:41] <mitchel> eg0r, is it possible to create a logic partition?
[19:42] <mitchel> hit free space, create as: Logical Partition
[19:42] <eg0r> mitchel: let me log into wndows and try to make an extended partition
[19:42] <mitchel> Sure thing.
[19:42] <eg0r> or logical partition whichever is possible
[19:44] <rizonz> no-one a clue ?
[19:44] <egonsen> hi! how are file attributes like setuid implemented in linux? i'm asking because i wonder how the linux kernel knows which file attributes are supported by each file system. is this implemented within the file system drivers and the kernel has a generic interface?
[19:44] <mitchel> rizonz, whats the issue?
[19:44] <ducasse> skinux: try 'apt-mark showmanual'
[19:44] <rizonz> mitchel: I can't loging using ssh with my root user (only user atm)
[19:44] <ducasse> egonsen: try asking in ##linux
[19:45] <rizonz> it always worked on new installs
[19:45] <mitchel> ssh root@ip maybe?
[19:45] <rizonz> using putty
[19:51] <eg0r> miichel: are you there?
[19:51] <tomreyn> rizonz: grep -i PermitRootLogin /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:51] <mitchel> yes i am
[19:51] <eg0r> mitchel: are you there?
[19:51] <eg0r> mitchel: http://imgur.com/a/tb0yL
[19:51] <tomreyn> rizonz: that's on the openssh server
[19:51] <rizonz> tomreyn: set to yes
[19:52] <eg0r> mitchel: this is my windows partition
[19:52] <tomreyn> rizonz: maybe Password logins are disabled in general. also check /var/log/auth.log for a better clue on how it's failing.
[19:52] <mitchel> click the 80 gb one and make it logical
[19:53] <eg0r> mitchel: how is it done?
[19:53] <rizonz> tomreyn: so kinda weird
[19:54] <tomreyn> rizonz: weird, how?
[19:54] <mitchel> eg0r, http://vrexpert.virtualrealities.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Google5.jpg
[19:54] <mitchel> wait
[19:54] <mitchel> eg0r,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmpEyaPQ2T0
[19:55] <rizonz> tomreyn: rootlogin is set on yes
[19:55] <mitchel> eg0r, instead of selecting the primary partition in the program you select the unallocated one
[19:56] <tomreyn> yes you said so before. but there are many factors which can prevent successful authentication, if that's what is actually happening (i am guessing since you only gave us "cannot login" without further details)
[19:56] <tomreyn> rizonz: to check whether password authentication is allowed: grep -i PasswordAuthentication /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:56] <tomreyn> and check the logs, too.
[19:56] <rizonz> 4~thave that also set on yes
[19:57] <rizonz> auth.log gives me bad credenmtials
[19:57] <tomreyn> so you'Re using bad credentials
[19:58] <rizonz> tomreyn: no that I know I can login on it's local cli
[20:01] <ducasse> rizonz: same keymap on server and client?
[20:02] <rizonz> ducasse: yes
[20:02] <ducasse> rizonz: have you got another user you can ssh in as?
[20:02] <rizonz> ducasse: nope
[20:03] <ducasse> rizonz: what is UsePAM set to in the sshd config?
[20:04] <rizonz> ducasse: not, only GSSAPI
[20:05] <ducasse> rizonz: set it to yes and restart sshd
[20:06] <rizonz> ducasse: same issue
[20:07] <mitchel> eg0r, brb
[20:07] <ducasse> rizonz: and it still says 'bad credentials' in auth.log?
[20:07] <eg0r> ok mitchel
[20:08] <mitchel> eg0r, are you following the steps on the video?
[20:08] <mitchel> also remember to create a 4 gb partition
[20:09] <eg0r> mitchel: they are trying to sell theit product i think
[20:09] <rizonz> ducasse: yep :(
[20:10] <mitchel> eg0r, use EaseUS partition master
[20:10] <eg0r> because their software wont run w/o aomei dynamic disk manager
[20:10] <mitchel> http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/convert-primary-to-logical.htm
[20:10] <mitchel> a tool i used
[20:10] <eg0r> ok
[20:12] <ducasse> rizonz: i don't know what to suggest, that message means it didn't accept the password, i can't tell you why
[20:13] <rizonz> ducasse: yeah me neither, never had this before
[20:15] <ducasse> rizonz: can you login locally, create a user with the same pw and then try to ssh in as that user?
[20:18] <rizonz> ducasse: locally is no issue at all
[20:18] <rizonz> but SSH is a wrong apssword
[20:19] <rizonz> ducasse: I have no clue, never had this before
[20:20] <mitchel> eg0r_,
[20:20] <eg0r_> hi mitchel
[20:20] <ducasse> rizonz: any special characters in the password?
[20:21] <rizonz> ducasse: tested with test123 and test123!
[20:21] <rizonz> both same issue
[20:21] <ducasse> rizonz: ok, then i officially have no clue :-/
[20:21] <rizonz> it might be that it needs 8 characters and test123 doesn't fdit ?
[20:21] <eg0r_> mitchel: this one too doesn't has that option
[20:21] <thiam> je ne comprends rien de rien
[20:21] <rizonz> ducasse: me neither
[20:21] <rizonz> and I'm no linux sissie :)
[20:22] <mitchel> so if you right click a partition and click Convert To Logical, doesnt it work>?
[20:24] <tomreyn> rizonz: what does the auth.log message say exactly (you can redact the ip address)?
[20:24] <eg0r_> there is no convert to logical mitchel
[20:25] <eg0r_> mitchel: see pm
[20:27] <rizonz> tomreyn: Failed password for root from m.y.i.p
[20:28] <jtornero> hello all. during distro-upgrade I ended with non.bootable system
[20:28] <ducasse> rizonz: i'm beginning to suspect a client problem
[20:30] <rizonz> ducasse: mhh why, other hosts don't have the issue
[20:30] <jtornero> with an alert: "UUID does not exists dropping to a shell" message
[20:30] <ioria> rizonz, grep PermitRootLogin  /etc/ssh/sshd_config    what it says ?
[20:31] <jtornero> so far I've found that there is a problem with grub
[20:31] <ducasse> jtornero: dist-upgrade or 'distro upgrade'?
[20:32] <jtornero> ducasse: well, don't really know because it was through gui
[20:32] <ducasse> jtornero: you were trying to upgrade to new version of ubuntu?
[20:32] <jtornero> ducasse: I think so
[20:34] <ducasse> jtornero: or were you just installing regular updates?
[20:34] <jtornero> I've tried to follow an answer from http://superuser.com/questions/181733/how-can-i-restore-grub-without-a-live-cd and also following the grub user manual
[20:35] <jtornero> ducasse: I was installing regular updates and distro upgrade was offered. Last time it was like a charm
[20:35] <ducasse> !fixgrub | jtornero try this
[20:35] <rizonz> ioria: yes
[20:35] <ducasse> jtornero: see the restoregrub link
[20:39] <ioria> rizonz, the ip/name is correct ?
[20:39] <jtornero> ducasse: Thanks. I'll try also that ways. Just thinking maybe it is matter to make it boot through grub console
[20:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> audio works fine over spice, but if i'm doing gpu passthrough and disabling spice, what other options do i have?e
[20:40] <rizonz> ioria: from ?
[20:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> whoops, wrong channel :P
[20:40] <ioria> rizonz, server
[20:42] <rizonz> ioria: yes as I'm tailing auth log there
[20:47] <john_KE> hey guys i am in a fix .. i messed with my gnome and now system setting icon has only 3 inside it .... how can i fix the error getting perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[20:47] <john_KE> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings error thanks in advance
[20:48] <john_KE> ```perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[20:48] <john_KE> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings```
[20:58] <Bluefoxicy> is Chromium giving any site with certificates expiring in 2017 as invalid today?
[20:58] <Bluefoxicy> it isn't letting me access my bank, twitch, or amazon
[20:58] <Bluefoxicy> I tried restarting it and clearing cache
[21:00] <tomreyn> rizonz: hmm well then it should indeed be wrong. you can run sshd and ssh client in debug modes if you want to know for sure
[21:00] <ikonia> Bluefoxicy: is it possible the clock/date on your system is out
[21:01] <wookie_> Any wifi problem solvers here?  If there are a lot of wifi users in a small area, how can I make it so I am able to receive wifi signals better?
[21:01] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: also install updates, there was a recent issue with symantec certificates
[21:01] <rizonz> tomreyn: yap need to see thanks
[21:01] <Bluefoxicy> it says SUnday Dec 11 4:01pm and I fixed it with ntpdate
[21:01] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn:  oh, symatnec
[21:01] <wookie_> It seems like the more people are around me the less able I am to use the internet
[21:02] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn: I have no updates to install today
[21:02] <Bluefoxicy> I've tried apt-get update six times since about 6 hours ago
[21:03] <ikonia> Bluefoxicy: the other thing to consider is....are you being hit with a man in the middle ?
[21:03] <ikonia> Bluefoxicy: less likley, but more serious
[21:04] <ducasse> ikonia: i get the same thing with amazon in chromium
[21:04] <ikonia> ducasse: thank you for confirming
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> ikonia: no, I checked with https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.amazon.com&hideResults=on&latest and the certificate fingerprints are the same
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> and it's only a subset of files
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> so unless comcast or the NSA are trying to hack my amazon and twitch account, that's a negative
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> subset of *sites
[21:06] <Bluefoxicy> like it doesn't impact facebook, youtube, or google
[21:06] <skinux> What is command-not-found??
[21:07] <wedgie> skinux: fairly self descriptive... where are you seeing that?
[21:07] <skinux> apt-mark showmanual
[21:07] <ikonia> I suspect it's something more likley tomreyn said, where the CA in the browser is out of date
[21:08] <skinux> apt-mark showmanual isn't the best tool because it shows at least some stuff as manually installed it clearly was automatically installed, probably upon installation.
[21:08] <SageTGreat> sup
[21:09] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380
[21:09] <knittel> back again
[21:10] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: it *may* be this. but then updating the browser would have helped unless oyu have the update repositories disabled.
[21:11] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: which version of the chromium package (use this to tell: dpkg -l chromium\* ) do you have, and which ubuntu release version are you on?
[21:11] <wedgie> skinux: its a tool that gives suggestions when you try to run a command that isnt there. for example, run ''sl''  (a common typo of ''ls'')
[21:11] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn: apt-get --reinstall -> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety/universe amd64 chromium-browser amd64 53.0.2785.143-0ubuntu1.1307 [55.8 MB]
[21:12] <morf> Bluefoxicy: and this version should work?
[21:13] <Bluefoxicy> morf:  that's the latest version released into the 16.10 repositories by Canonical
[21:14] <morf> which is also broken...
[21:14] <ducasse> tomreyn Bluefoxicy seems this bug has cropped up again, there are several comments on that bug report from within the last few hours
[21:14] <Bluefoxicy> looks that way
[21:16] <tomreyn> yes i assume the previous 'fix' was to extend the deadline, and it re-expired today.
[21:16] <morf> oh
[21:16] <morf> make sense
[21:16] <tomreyn> that's just a guess, however, haven't reviewed the patch
[21:16] <morf> but also kind of embarrasing
[21:17] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: what'S the actual error message chromium displays?
[21:18] <ducasse> tomreyn: same as in the bug report
[21:18] <tomreyn> it should be some gibberish in all capital letters
[21:18] <tomreyn> ducasse: you got it, too?
[21:18] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn:  Attackers might be trying to steal your information from amazon.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).  I seem to remember comming accross this problem before but forget how i resolved it, can anyone help?
[21:19] <knittel> *something wrong with firefox?
[21:20] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke:  Just use docker Kappa 8)
[21:20] <morf> pmeeke: try apt-get purge mysql* mariadb* and reinstall (DO NOT remove your database when asked)
[21:21] <pmeeke> morf: yeah thats the danger part I am worried about
[21:21] <tomreyn> pmeeke: run this to get the actual error: sudo dpkg --configure mariadb-server-10.0
[21:21] <morf> pmeeke: it's asking you a question while doing it (and if you are paranoid you can cp -R /var/lib/mysql/ somewhere temporary)
[21:21] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke:  what are you using mariadb for?  Server?
[21:21] <pmeeke> morf: I have diaspora and gnusocial both running on the server
[21:22] <pmeeke> Bluefoxicy: yes
[21:22] <snowden> i was followed by police just now
[21:22] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke: I say just run MariaDB in a docker container.
[21:23] <morf> that's most ridiculous thing i have heard today :)
[21:23] <tomreyn> snowden: only ubuntu support here. #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat and bad jokes.
[21:24] <snowden> it is 3 clock AM now,why they follow me? maybe i am under surveillance
[21:26] <pmeeke> morf: i believe it has something to do with the big blue/pink configure screen not appearing, I am trying a reconfigure now but no joy. I would be cautious to do a purge in case this screen still will not appear on the install
[21:26] <morf> pmeeke: there is some cyclic error i have it myself and wasn't able to dpkg-reconfigure it manually ... so as i said before backup / purge / install again
[21:27] <YABOO> #mode
[21:27] <pmeeke> fingers crossed :)
[21:29] <BeautifulBash> In my 6 years of using Ubuntu across millions of machines, I've never come across a problem getting it to install... Until today :( . My ThinkPad P50 simply refuses to boot into my USB for Ubuntu Gnome
[21:29] <BeautifulBash> whenever it does boot, I usually get bombarded with squashfs read error
[21:29] <BeautifulBash> s
[21:30] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke: you can try this https://gist.github.com/bluefoxicy/d9d4b010613ff51a5ce9f43759573719
[21:30] <Bluefoxicy> you may need to adjust for whatever it is you need to change for my.cnf :)
[21:33] <knittel> maybe youre key is not good (anymore)?
[21:33] <knittel> i have an thinkpad R60
[21:38] <ducasse> Bluefoxicy: this bug is due to a symantec screwup, and was triggered in 14.04/16.04 a short while ago. they made a temporary fix, but since the bug hadn't been triggered in 16.10 (yet) that 'fix' wasn't released for 16.10 back then.
[21:39] <Bluefoxicy> ah
[21:39] <ducasse> Bluefoxicy: i'm guessing we will get an update by end of day tomorrow
[21:39] <Bluefoxicy> nod.
[21:40] <ducasse> Bluefoxicy: and then they have 10 weeks to actually _fix_ it :)
[21:40] <Bluefoxicy> they could just drop chromium-54 into -backports but -backports seems to not exist for non-lts
[21:43] <ducasse> comments say 54 from ~canonical-chromium-builds ppa works
[21:43] <Dr-007> good day
[21:44] <Dr-007> friso@awesome:/tmp$ rm *
[21:44] <Dr-007> -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
[21:44] <Dr-007> my disk is full
[21:44] <Dr-007> with logfiles in /tmp from a website
[21:44] <Ben64> choose a shorter argument list
[21:44] <Dr-007> i cant remove them like this
[21:44] <ikonia> Dr-007: if you need to do everything do a for list
[21:44] <akik> Dr-007: you can use find and xargs rm to do it
[21:45] <Dr-007> i know when you restart it will get cleared. but perhabs because the error it wont work and my server wont start up at all (because disk is full)
[21:45] <Dr-007> find /tmp -ctime +10 -exec rm -rf {} +
[21:46] <ikonia> Dr-007: for i in `ls`; do; rm -rf $i; done
[21:46] <Dr-007> ah those arent xargs, but i think its working
[21:51] <_Sym_> I was mentioning a few days ago that nautilus was occasionally freezing up when deleting files if I used the actual "delete" key on the keyboard.
[21:52] <_Sym_> Well, I think I solved it by setting the correct keyboard map
[21:52] <MWM> ive got a directory owned by proxy:proxy and keep getting permission denied unless I set the permissions far too loose (776) if I add my default user to the proxy group that will clear up correct?
[21:53] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy, ducasse: one of you two should probably file a new bug report on chromium then since those comments on the existing, solved, bug report will be ignored.
[21:53] <_Sym_> MWM, yes if your user is in the proxy group then you can set it to 770
[21:54] <MWM> thank you Sym.
[21:54] <ducasse> tomreyn: i can do that, i'll just point to the last few comments on the old report
[21:55] <PlurX> x
[21:55] <tomreyn> also state your verison number, the output / message you get to see, ubuntu and application version.
[21:56] <tomreyn> ducasse: ^
[21:56] <ducasse> tomreyn: yup, i know :)
[21:56] <tomreyn> thought so, but wasnt sure
[22:00] <tomreyn> hmm, i can't seem to reproduce this with either https://www.amazon.com or https://chase.com on chromium (latest available version) on 16.04, after clearing all caches and restarting the application
[22:01] <tomreyn> maybe the is another time based mechanism involved which triggers it.
[22:03] <BeautifulBash> OK, how do I get access to a grub menu on a DD'd ubuntu image?
[22:03] <BeautifulBash> it boots straight into the Ubuntu image
[22:04] <_Sym_> BeautifulBash, holding F10 on bootup does it for my laptop
[22:04] <_Sym_> BeautifulBash, but it depends on your device
[22:05] <BeautifulBash> oh hang on got it, it kept booting straight into the installer drive without giving me the menus for different options
[22:05] <reisio> used to be SHIFT
[22:05] <BeautifulBash> f6 it was
[22:05] <BeautifulBash> well, the squashfs read error wasnt because of my USB stick, just tried it on another computer and it worked fine
[22:07] <skinux> I need instructions to make sure Ubuntu is actually using my SWAP partition? Also is it more swap or less swap usage that improves performance?
[22:08] <reisio> swapon -s
[22:08] <reisio> with modern systems, swap doesn't do very much most of the time
[22:08] <ducasse> tomreyn: see what i wrote to Bluefoxicy above, this bug was triggered (and sort-of-fixed) in 16.04 earlier, in yakkety it wasn't triggered until today
[22:08] <reisio> with modern systems, it's mostly useful for hibernating, but it is also by default assumed by the kernel (Linux) to exist
[22:08] <_Sym_> skinux, swap memory is usually very slow and will not increase performance.  Although, it might prevent your system from crashing if you run out of RAM to use.
[22:09] <BeautifulBash> gahhhh, what the hell!!
[22:09] <_Sym_> skinux, I think the default is 2x the current ram is the recommended swap size.
[22:09] <Fr_Dae> if you have a good SSD, yes _Sym_
[22:09] <BeautifulBash> (initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[22:09] <reisio> so swap equivalent to ram is an easy choice if you're going to hibernate, and just a gig or two if not
[22:09] <skinux> Well, I've noticed my system is a bit laggy recently. I have 4G RAM and 4G SWAP if it is using it. And I just re-gained 21G free disk space when I was down to like 6G.
[22:09] <reisio> no, 2x ram is an incredibly outdated rule
[22:09] <Fr_Dae> if less 8Go of ram, 2x RAM
[22:09] <reisio> no
[22:10] <ExplodingKittens> skinux: You can also check to see what swap partitions are being used by running `swapon` in a terminal.
[22:10] <winsen> does anyone know how can If Evince is correctly installed or not?
[22:10] <reisio> skinux: likely unrelated to swap
[22:10] <Fr_Dae> = or more 8Go, 8Gio of ram, more arn't necessary
[22:10] <reisio> winsen: correctly?
[22:10] <winsen> *can I see
[22:10] <skinux> Okay, it's using 3G out of 4.7G of SWAP, priority -1
[22:10] <reisio> if you're hibernating, you want swap equivalent to ram, if you aren't, and your system isn't from the 90s, it almost doesn't matter how much swap you have, as long as you have some
[22:10] <Fr_Dae> reisio sudo apt install htop && htop (or sudo htop)
[22:10] <Led_Zeppelin> hello
[22:10] <reisio> Fr_Dae: wrong guy
[22:10] <reisio> Led_Zeppelin: 'lo
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> you can see CPU, RAM, swap and battery use
[22:11] <Led_Zeppelin> I need some help playing audio on my Schitt modi DAC
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> reisio +1
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> skinux
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> try see with htop
[22:11] <reisio> sorry I forgot who'd asked myself :p
[22:12] <Led_Zeppelin> can anyone help?
[22:12] <Led_Zeppelin> dmesg detects the sound card fine.
[22:12] <skinux> Hmm. Does it make much difference that I don't reboot my machine all the time?
[22:13] <reisio> skinux: to what?
[22:13] <reisio> swap, not really
[22:14] <reisio> do what Fr_Dae said
[22:14] <skinux> No, to performance
[22:14] <reisio> look at your persistent processes
[22:14] <reisio> some of them probably suck
[22:14] <reisio> and if you don't have an SSD, get one
[22:14] <Fr_Dae> reisio +1
[22:14] <skinux> Umm..I don't know if my disk is solid state or not. I know it's a Dell Inspiron laptop about two years old.
[22:14] <Fr_Dae> for 50euro you can have in paris a 128Gio SSD on kingston
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> Im really desperate if anyone can help me out
[22:14] <BUSY> hey friends.  finally taking the leap to move my computer illiterate dad to ubuntu because I think it will result in fewer problems.  are there any neophyte packages or themes that make computing unbelievably easy?
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> I so need this working
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> I dont understand
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> Debian has always installed just fine
[22:14] <reisio> yup, the capacity of SSD required for an OS install is very low
[22:15] <Fr_Dae> skinux do you take more like 5second for boot ?
[22:15] <reisio> and the performance gains are IMMENSE
[22:15] <cfoch> hi. Why is my desktop really aweful after installing?
[22:15] <Fr_Dae> if yes you arn't on SSD
[22:15] <cfoch> http://i.imgur.com/WxL875S.png
[22:15] <reisio> boot time is irrelevant if you're not rebooting a lot (which you shouldn't be)
[22:15] <Fr_Dae> cfoch try Lubuntu =)
[22:16] <cfoch> Fr_Dae: I want to solve the problem
[22:16] <Fr_Dae> it's a good way to =)
[22:16] <skinux> I'm not sure how long it takes to boot, maybe 3 seconds...maybe a minute
[22:16] <skinux> I'll restart now to see if it helps.
[22:16] <cfoch> Fr_Daw: I want to keep Unity
[22:17] <cfoch> I mean, I want to use Unity (not just keep it installed)
[22:17] <Fr_Dae> i can't you help so you like a UI for child
[22:17] <tehBTP> Fr_Dae, great help.
[22:17] <ExplodingKittens> Fr_Dae: I thought that was Sugar.
[22:17] <Fr_Dae> true poeple use gnome or lxde (or xfce ) =)
[22:18] <Fr_Dae> tehBTP to none bro
[22:18] <cfoch> or  GNOME
[22:18] <cfoch> that´s okay, too :)
[22:18] <cfoch> Fr_Dae: ^
[22:18] <cfoch> :)
[22:19] <Fr_Dae> if you have less 4Gio of ram or you want a windows-like interface take Lxde
[22:19] <Fr_Dae> if you have 4 or More on ram gnome run fine
[22:20] <wookie_> Does anyone here use a wireless usb adapter to connect to wifi?
[22:20] <kulelu88> how do I view the last edited files on my file-system?
[22:20] <cfoch> wait
[22:21] <cfoch> I have removed the menus on the Unity panel
[22:21] <cfoch> what is the package to put menus the Unity panel of the top?
[22:21] <velivolovolante> Hello everybody!
[22:21] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ i have used one time, a tplink, plug and play full working
[22:21] <N00Bish> hey yall do you know where i can download and install reaver from?
[22:21] <kulelu88> N00Bish: apt-get install reaver ?
[22:22] <Fr_Dae> kulelu88 sudo apt install, just
[22:22] <reisio> cfoch: indicator-appmenu ?
[22:22] <Fr_Dae> you isn't necessary use -get on 2016 =)
[22:22] <kulelu88> Fr_Dae: I was answering N00Bish
[22:22] <wookie_> Fr_Dae I think I need a more expensive one.  I have a tp-link, but it can't get a good signal.  Its one of the ~10 dollar ones.
[22:23] <N00Bish> or shuld i use wget reaver first?
[22:23] <kulelu88> N00Bish: if you download it with wget, it won't be included in system updates
[22:23] <kulelu88> so unless you are using an outdated LTS, either use apt or find a PPA
[22:23] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ use a USB ext cable and move you wifi-usb to find where di you have a good signal
[22:24] <N00Bish> dang ok because i tried to get it from a site that said it had it but it nolonger has it
[22:24] <kulelu88> N00Bish: be careful of doing stuff like that.
[22:24] <wookie_> Fr_Dae Why would I need an ext cable?
[22:25] <N00Bish> yeah i know all about that lol i learned my lesson
[22:25] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Reaver is in the Ubuntu repositories, so you can just download and install it directly with apt-get (or apt, if you want, I won't judge).
[22:25] <Fr_Dae> apt have color and progess bar
[22:25] <Fr_Dae> it's juste a good update ton apt-get =)
[22:26] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ for gain signal =)
[22:26] <N00Bish> i have ubuntu 14.1 i believe you sure its in the reposit?
[22:26] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ the best are the usb with antena + 5m of USB ext
[22:27] <N00Bish> because i tried to use wget http://reaver-wps.googlecode.com/files/reaver-1.4.tar.gz
[22:27] <N00Bish> and it didnt work at all
[22:27] <skinux> How come Ubuntu asks me if I want to Report a system problem, but doesn't tell me what the problem WAS/IS?
[22:27] <reisio> skinux: 'cause it's dumb?
[22:28] <ducasse> N00Bish: 14.04 or 14.10?
[22:28] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Oof, 14.10? I'm not certain 14.10 still has repositories up anymore.
[22:29] <N00Bish> oh ok it's 16.04 lts
[22:30] <Fr_Dae> N00Bish nobody here can you help to use a illegal program for cracking WPA/WPA2 wifi
[22:30] <Fr_Dae> =)
[22:30] <skinux> Well, how do I find out what happened?
[22:30] <wookie_> Fr_Dae like https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-w-external-antenna-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usbl?
[22:30] <N00Bish> is reaver illegal?
[22:30] <N00Bish> and i just want to test my network
[22:30] <skinux> I get the dialog to report a problem every time I boot up, for the last 3 times I rebooted.
[22:30] <Fr_Dae> oh ok
[22:31] <kulelu88> how do I view the last edited files on my file-system?
[22:31] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Oh, yeah, it's definitely in the 16.04 repositories. The package is just called reaver.
[22:31] <N00Bish> huh ok so wget reaver?
[22:31] <ducasse> N00Bish: just turn off wps, problem solved.
[22:32] <N00Bish> im trying to see if thats easy to hack my network
[22:32] <kulelu88> N00Bish: you must keep in mind that your chats are being logged here.
[22:32] <N00Bish> i know and im doing anything illegal at all
[22:32] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: You'll want to do `sudo apt-get install reaver` (sans tildes), or `sudo apt install reaver` (again, sans tildes). Doesn't matter which command you use, they'll functionally do the same thing.
[22:33] <kulelu88> and we can see your IP address
[22:33] <tomreyn> ducasse: oh, indeed i didnt realize this is xenial vs yakkety
[22:33] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ i use this one http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/251926168213-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
[22:33] <N00Bish> ah ok ty exploding kittens
[22:33] <th0r> kulelu88: you seem awful paranoid about a non-issue
[22:34] <kulelu88> th0r: paranoid? depending on where he lives, it's in his best interest
[22:34] <ExplodingKittens> But yes, be warned that breaking into a Wifi network that you don't own is illegal. It really shouldn't be an issue if it's your own network, though.
[22:35] <N00Bish> true why do you think i dont care that its all logged?
[22:35] <N00Bish> im not doing anything illegal
[22:35] <ducasse> N00Bish: wps really should be disabled, though, it's not very secure
[22:35] <th0r> kulelu88: and what is this official position you hold...grand inquisitor?
[22:36] <kulelu88> th0r: if you can't add value, you should avoid attacking people who are helping
[22:36] <N00Bish> ok yall have a nice day and ty explodingkittens
[22:37] <th0r> not attacking, defending
[22:37] <g0tze> hi :D
[22:39] <wookie_> Fr_Dae I might check that one out first to see if it solves my problem.  I appreciate it.  When I am around a lot of my fellow students in class I lose internet, and when they leave I have internet again.  Hence I'm looking for a more powerful wifi adapter
[22:39] <Alex___User> Hi!
[22:40] <docmur> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and when  I run gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount false it's not turning off automount
[22:40] <Alex___User> Someone here who can help me? After Ubuntu/Backbox installing i cant start windows but it is still installed. Bootloarder dont start
[22:41] <bekks> Alex___User: are you using Ubuntu or Backbox?
[22:42] <Alex___User> Backbox but it is mostly like Ubuntu most different is the pre-installed programs
[22:42] <ducasse> !backbox | Alex___User
[22:43] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ tplink are a good and powerfull wifi antena, + ubuntu you are priority =) but kill all people use wifi is good too
[22:43] <Fr_Dae> or use 3G/4G
[22:43] <Alex___User> ok thx
[22:43] <Fr_Dae> Alex___User =>PM
[22:45] <Lostfile> iom trying to find a better bbs client for ubuntu can some on helps
[22:46] <skinux> N00bish: You're hacking your own WiFi to see how easy it is to do? I would imagine it'd be much wiser to just do research on the subject instead of trying it on your own setup.
[22:46] <skinux> Whoops..he already left
[22:48] <ducasse> skinux: i'm a little sceptical of it actually being his own network he wanted this for...
[22:48] <MelodyP> does anyone here have experience with linux on an intel chromebook?
[22:48] <Lostfile> there a few tools in kail linux for wifi hacking i think
[22:49] <MelodyP> Lostfile: all such tools can be installed under Ubuntu. if you do use Kali, remember to only use it as a Live OS
[22:49] <ExplodingKittens> MelodyP: I've done it through Crouton.
[22:50] <Lostfile> im wondering is there away to install metasplot on ubuntu ive done it on slackware
[22:51] <Lostfile> speaking of wich
[22:51] <ducasse> MelodyP: linux in general or ubuntu in particular?
[22:52] <MelodyP> ducasse: linux in general, but not over crouton
[22:52] <skinux> ducasse: Yeah, probably not.
[22:52] <kulelu88> ducasse: you should trust th0r that everyone on the internet has well-meaning intentions
[22:55] <ducasse> MelodyP: then try ##linux
[22:55] <_Sym_> All we have to do to prevent "troll-trace" from succeeding is just rely on the goodness of the people and not use it to look each other up with.
[22:56] <wookie_> Fr_Dae Could I have outdated wireless drivers which could be giving me connection problems?  For example I could have sworn I had wireless drivers which allowed me to use wireshark, but for some reason I can't use it anymore
[22:58] <i-make-robots> hi all.  please help me find the right channel to ask this: I have an ubuntu LTS 16 server storing a quickbooks database.  my accountant is on a windows 10 laptop outside the office.  What is a good way to give her access to the database?  send her a public key to ssh?  i don't know what will work with QB.
[22:58] <ikonia> issyl0: vpn to the host
[22:58] <ikonia> issyl0: then let the client connect to the database as if it was on the same network
[22:59] <guerero> http://cameroon-concord.com/administrator/index.php
[22:59] <ikonia> guerero: ?
[22:59] <Lewoco> how do I open console on ubuntu?
[23:00] <_Sym_> wookie_, you might be able to get a stronger wifi signal by enabling CONFIG_CFG80211 and setting your regulatory database to better values.
[23:00] <Lewoco> i.e. what is equivalent of ctrl-alt-F1 on other distros
[23:00] <ikonia> Lewoco: is there not an icon on the dock ?
[23:00] <i-make-robots> Lewoco - are you in the gui?
[23:00] <Lewoco> ikonia: I'm not talking about terminal window. I'm talking about console
[23:00] <Lewoco> i-make-robots: yeah
[23:00] <bekks> Lewoco: Thats how it works in Ubuntu, too.
[23:00] <wookie_> _Sym can you recommend a guide to help me figure out how to do that?
[23:00] <ducasse> Lewoco: ctrl+alt+f1..f6
[23:00] <ikonia> Lewoco: you mean you want to go to a VT outside of X11 while X is running
[23:01] <Lewoco> bekks: All I get is empty screen, no login prompt
[23:01] <ikonia> Lewoco: do you have X11 running ?
[23:01] <_Sym_> wookie_, it would be something like this: http://networkgeekstuff.com/networking/how-to-create-custom-linux-wi-fi-regulatory-database-to-unlock-30db1000mw/
[23:01] <Lewoco> ikonia: yeah
[23:01] <ikonia> Lewoco: so why are you not just using a terminal
[23:05] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ i don't know , on my tplink i don't need pilote, juste plug and play tech, but maybee with "additional drives search"
[23:06] <N00Bish> is explodingkittens on still?
[23:06] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Yep, I'm still around. What's up?
[23:08] <N00Bish> explodingkittens pm
[23:09] <kulelu88> things just got a little bit more fishy ...
[23:09] <MelodyP> ducasse: i cant join ##linux for some reason
[23:09] <kulelu88> what is the error? MelodyP
[23:09] <MelodyP> kulelu88: it says im not registered
[23:09] <MelodyP> but i know i am
[23:09] <ikonia> MelodyP: you're not
[23:10] <nicomachus> !register | MelodyP
[23:10] <ikonia> MelodyP: you're not identified to services
[23:10] <kulelu88> MelodyP: your account says "unknown"
[23:13] <cfoch> hi
[23:13] <cfoch> IDK what I did but Ubuntu won't start the Graphical User Interface
[23:14] <cfoch> I am on  Ubuntu right now, just from the terminal
[23:14] <cfoch> can sb give me a hand?
[23:14] <cfoch> (or a foot :) )
[23:16] <cfoch> :) :)
[23:20] <cfoch> someone here?
[23:20] <wookie_> _Sym if I install some different drivers for my wireless card, is there a way I can revert back if things dont work out
[23:22] <kulelu88> cfoch: try restarting your machine
[23:26] <Shawn|4650M> howdy
[23:26] <_Sym_> wookie_, the way I would recommend testing drivers is building different kernels with different labels
[23:26] <ontheline> howdy
[23:26] <Shawn|4650M> can someone help me with an error I am gettng, when trying to install Intel's graphics update tool?
[23:27] <ikonia> wookie_: what are actually trying to achieve ?
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: I'd ask firstly why you are using that tool
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: the intel drivers are open source and shipped in the kernel and xorg packages
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: why are you tyring to do something outside of that ?
[23:27] <Shawn|4650M> they are?
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: yes
[23:28] <Shawn|4650M> well I installed lubuntu, need the optimized intel drivers
[23:28] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: what opimized ones ?
[23:28] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: the ones that are in the ubuntu packages are the official intel ones - they are open source so included
[23:28] <Shawn|4650M> a driver that is not buggy, or full of artifacts?
[23:28] <cfoch> How do I reinstall unity with all its dependencies?
[23:28] <cfoch> I cannot see the dashbar
[23:28] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: the ones in ubuntu are the ones supplied by intel
[23:28] <ikonia> cfoch: why do you want to re-install ?
[23:28] <Shawn|4650M> does it come with lubuntu too?
[23:29] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: yes, ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu are the same xorg and kernel
[23:29] <Shawn|4650M> ah
[23:29] <cfoch> ikonia: I did apt-get autoremove or apt-get remove -f
[23:29] <Shawn|4650M> well my intel graphics media accelerator x3100 is not putting out its full potential
[23:29] <ikonia> cfoch: so open the package manager and select the ubuntu-desktop package and re-install
[23:29] <cfoch> or smth like that and me GUI got bad
[23:30] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: so thats the problem you need to work through or understand at least rather than changing random things
[23:30] <Shawn|4650M> when I try to install the intel-graphics-update-tool I get Error: Dependancy is not satisfiable: libpackagekit-glib2-18 (>= 0.9.4)
[23:31] <Shawn|4650M> I dont get the install button rather
[23:31] <cfoch> what is the name of the GUI that shows the login screen?
[23:31] <ikonia> right so stop trying to use that tool
[23:31] <ikonia> stop trying to update the drivers
[23:31]  * Shawn|4650M facepalms
[23:31] <cfoch> lightdm/gdm?... I am not sure
[23:31] <EriC^^> cfoch: lightdm?
[23:31] <Shawn|4650M> I was just trying to get itch.io games to run on lubuntu
[23:31] <ikonia> lightdm normally
[23:31] <Shawn|4650M> the linux ones
[23:31] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: right, so again, that doesn't change what I've said
[23:31] <EriC^^> cfoch: which ubuntu flavor are you using?
[23:32] <Shawn|4650M> and you have left me in the dark
[23:32] <cfoch> 16.10
[23:32] <cfoch> Eric^^: ^
[23:32] <cfoch> with Unity
[23:32] <EriC^^> cfoch: ubuntu lubuntu xubuntu ?
[23:32] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M:I've not done anything of the sort
[23:32] <cfoch> Ubuntu
[23:32] <EriC^^> cfoch: should be lightdm then
[23:32] <Shawn|4650M> ikonia, you told me to stop trying to use intel's updated tool
[23:33] <cfoch> by installing lightdm will it load as soon my OS start?
[23:33] <Shawn|4650M> that leaves me in the dark
[23:33] <EriC^^> cfoch: you want it to autologin?
[23:33] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: no it doesn't, you need to work through the problem it could be as simple as a config parameter or your expectation that needs to be fixed
[23:33] <ikonia> just ask the channel if you need help - but ask them the real problem, not how to do the soution you think you need
[23:33] <cfoch> Eric^^: I just want to recover my Unity desktop :)
[23:33] <Shawn|4650M> idk the first thing about diagnosing lubuntu
[23:34] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: there is also the #lubuntu channel for lubuntu specific discussion too
[23:34] <cfoch> I will restart
[23:34] <EriC^^> cfoch: what's going on currently?
[23:34] <cfoch> Eric^^: I cannot see the dashbar
[23:34] <Shawn|4650M> okay, sorry for asking here
[23:34] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: no need for sorry, here is fine too
[23:34] <EriC^^> cfoch: the top one or left?
[23:34] <cfoch> not only that
[23:36] <cfoch> Eric^^: blob:http://imgur.com/b3a8f2d4-e136-4235-b06f-b9e4f4ddd69d
[23:36] <cfoch> I have lose the borders also
[23:36] <cfoch> the window borders
[23:37] <EriC^^> cfoch: does the guest account work?
[23:37] <cfoch> IDK because it autologged my default user
[23:37] <cfoch> Eric^^:^
[23:38] <EriC^^> cfoch: try to log out and use the guest session
[23:38] <EriC^^> cfoch: actually, just rename your config folder and it should work
[23:38] <cfoch> Eric^^: how? :) I don´t have the top menu panel either! :)
[23:38] <spotter> I assume others are having chromium-browser ssl issues?
[23:38] <spotter> i.e. can't go to amazon amongst other sites?
[23:39] <EriC^^> mv ~ /.config ~/.config.old
[23:39] <EriC^^> cfoch: then type sudo service lightdm restart
[23:39] <EriC^^> cfoch: wait
[23:39] <EriC^^> typo
[23:39] <EriC^^> mv ~/.config ~/.config.old
[23:39] <wafflejock> spotter, works fine here what are you getting?
[23:40] <spotter> ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED
[23:40] <spotter> which seems to a be a known chrome/chromium change
[23:40] <wafflejock> spotter, works here in chromium-browser my about shows Version 53.0.2785.143 Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit)
[23:41] <wookie_> ikonia I'm trying to figure out why my wifi connection drops when I'm at school and around 20-30 other people using the same wifi.  When I'm alone or around other people I can use the wifi, but if there are a lot of people around me I cannot use it.
[23:41] <spotter> i'm 53.0.2785.143-0ubuntu1.1307 on 16.10
[23:41] <spotter> it just started today on me
[23:41] <wookie_> I thought updating the wifi drivers might help
[23:41] <ikonia> wookie_: is it possible its just the wifi access point / network is overloaded if it's only kicking you off when other people are around
[23:41] <ikonia> wookie_: you should not look at updating anything unless you know what the problem is
[23:41] <wookie_> ikonia True.
[23:42] <wafflejock> spotter, hmm weird approximately the same build it looks like but the 16.10 package might be a little different looks like a patch number at the end there
[23:42] <wookie_> ikonia Why would I be the only one not getting wifi?
[23:42] <spotter> changelog is Thu, 29 Sep 2016
[23:42] <ikonia> wookie_: are you the only one ? what happens if you reconnect ?
[23:43] <Sean_McG> 'lo
[23:43] <spotter> google-chrome works, but not a great solution for me
[23:43] <ikonia> 'hello'
[23:43] <wafflejock> spotter, yeah just read up a bit on it so guess the "solution" is wait for admins to update the certificate?
[23:44] <wookie_> ikonia If I disconnect the wifi and reconnect sometimes I can reconnect for a minute or two, but many times nothing changes.  And after asking the class it seems like I'm the only one having the problem
[23:44] <spotter> wafflejock, doesnt really help me for amazon.  google broke the internet
[23:44] <spotter> :)
[23:44] <ikonia> wookie_: if it sometimes re-connects sometimes doesn't, I suspect it's overloaded (obviously nothing factual to back that up)
[23:44] <wafflejock> spotter, yeah I hear you... not sure what to do there
[23:44] <Sean_McG> hmm? how did Google break the Internet?
[23:44] <ikonia> wookie_: look at the logs when it drops and trys to reconnect
[23:45] <wookie_> ikonia Can you recommend a Ubuntu program that I can use to keep logs?
[23:45] <spotter> Sean_McG, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12953172
[23:45] <Shawn|4650M> ikonia, could lubuntu not be optimal out of the box?
[23:45] <ikonia> wookie_: the logs are kept on the machine by default
[23:45] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: what do you mean by "optimial" you keep saying that, but what do you actually mean
[23:46] <Sean_McG> spotter: oh yeah, there's a lot of certificate squashing going on -- see also WoSign (and by extension StartCom), they are being removed due to transparency issues as well. But in WoSign's case it seems far more egregious.
[23:46] <ontheline> bazhang, !
[23:46] <Shawn|4650M> by optimal, I mean optimized for games
[23:47] <wookie_> ikonia What terminal commands can I use to access the logs?
[23:47] <spotter> yes, but breaking amazon, netflix... et al is a big issue
[23:47] <spotter> symantec/verisign is used by the major hitters
[23:47] <ikonia> wookie_: it's just a text file in /var/log
[23:48] <Shawn|4650M> light games
[23:48] <Sean_McG> just because you are "major hitter" it doesn't excuse you from a badly behaved certificate authority
[23:48] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: normally the autodetection works for most people, some people have hardware/setups where the config needs to be tweaked
[23:48] <Shawn|4650M> oh
[23:51] <spotter> trying an update from the ppa
[23:51] <spotter> Sean_McG, to some extent yes, but it also behoves google to reach out to the major sites to fix things before they prevent end users from having a working system
[23:52] <spotter> installed update from https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage unsure if that fixed the underlying issue or just that I now have a build that less than 10 weeks old so time bomb hasn't flipped
[23:55] <cfoch> Eric^^: I can only start the desktop environment if I do startx
[23:55] <cfoch> from console
[23:56] <EriC^^> cfoch: try adding a different user
[23:56] <cfoch> otherwise i see a black screen (not the terminal, just a black screen)
[23:56] <EriC^^> cfoch: try disabling autologin
[23:56] <cfoch> how?
[23:56] <cfoch> Eric^^: ^
[23:57] <EriC^^> cfoch: type sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and remove your username next to autologin-user
[23:57] <EriC^^> then save and exit with ctrl+x


[00:23] <Guest39666> shwmae
[00:23] <Guest39666> dw i'n wedi blino
[00:24] <cgriff> S'mae Guest39666
[00:24] <cgriff> Pwy wyt ti? :p
[00:24] <cgriff> Ah, Lauren
[00:24] <Kaia> shwmae cgriff
[00:25] <Kaia> ble wyt ti?
[00:25] <cgriff> Kaia: Castell NEdd / Blaendulais
[00:25] <Kaia> ahhh gwych
[00:26] <Kaia> dw i'n yn pen-y-bont
[00:27] <cgriff> Pa bont? ;P
[00:27] <Kaia> >.<
[00:27] <Kaia> ar Ogwr
[00:27] <Kaia> :P
[00:28] <Kaia> Roeddwn sy'n gweithio yn y Tseiniaidd a ty cebab heno gyda Damon
[00:28] <cgriff> Newydd fwyta Chink :)
[00:29] <cgriff> Dwi dwli ar hwyaden :p
[00:29] <Kaia> ona
[00:30] <Kaia> Dwi dwli a crispy cyw iar
[00:32] <cgriff> crispy duck <3
[00:33] <Kaia> Fy Tseiniaidd do an awesome crispy duck :D
[00:33] <Kaia> dydd i ddim yn hoffi hwyaden often
[00:35] <cgriff> Duck in plum sauce, sliced up and all crispy :)
[00:35] <Kaia> never had that
[00:35] <Kaia> I had crispy duck pancakes on my birthday
[00:36] <Kaia> it was lovely, we had £25 worth of duck free from my works :D
[00:39] <markjones> Kaia!
[00:40] <Kaia> markjones!
[00:40] <cgriff> cgriff!
[00:41] <cgriff> I have 153 dependencies for vim, vim-spell-en and vim-latex D:
[00:41] <markjones> Kaia: oes 'da ti lle i fi a Natalie cysgu ar gyfer Hacio'r Iaith?
[00:42] <cgriff> Didn't realise that vim-latex would pull in LaTeX packages too when I only wanted syntaxing support for vim
[00:43] <cgriff> Kaia: Wyt ti'n mynd eleni?
[00:43] <cgriff> i Haciaith?
[00:47] <Kaia> eh
[00:47] <Kaia> mae ddrwg gen i
[00:47] <Kaia> wasn't paying attention :P
[00:47] <Kaia> might, depends on date
[00:53] <cgriff> 28th Jan
[00:53] <cgriff> Dwi'n cytuno gyda Hedd a Simon ar ol ddarthlen ei erthygl/traethawd.
[00:53] <cgriff> Damn sorry wrong bit of clipboard
[00:53] <cgriff> http://hedyn.net/wici/Hacio'r_Iaith_Ionawr_2012
[00:54] <Kaia> wooo!
[00:54] <Kaia> I can go this year :D
[00:54] <Kaia> my exams are on 24th/26th
[00:54] <cgriff> Oops I have no idea when my exams are -_-
[00:55] <Kaia> >.<
[00:55] <markjones> Kaia: did you ignore my message too :(
[00:55] <Kaia> mae cgriff yn dwp
[00:55] <Kaia> markjones: what message?
[00:56] <markjones> 00:41 :: member:Kaia: oes 'da ti lle i fi a Natalie cysgu ar gyfer Hacio'r Iaith?
[00:56] <Kaia> hmm, I will have to check with jade and sam
[00:56] <cgriff> What an odd interface, ":: member:Kaia"
[00:57] <Kaia> have to be careful as well because of cat
[00:57] <Kaia> cgriff: huh where?
[00:57] <cgriff> In his copy and paste
[00:58] <markjones> cat is fine, we'll have a sleeping bag
[00:58] <markjones> yeah, it is
[00:58] <markjones> just noticed xD
[00:59] <Kaia> my cat is only a baby and he scrams as evidence from my arms/legs and amber's arms and legs
[00:59]  * Kaia misses amber
[01:00] <markjones> yeah, i've got tough skin
[01:04] <markjones> failing that I'll have to bribe someone
[01:05]  * markjones avoids looking in the direction of Mr__T
[01:05] <Mr__T> fgyhujkl;'
[01:05] <Mr__T> haha
[01:08] <Kaia> everything would probably be fine, just don't want to get moaned at by jade for not asking her first
[01:09] <markjones> ok, we can have chinese again :D
[01:09] <cgriff> markjones: Beth am y noson cyri?
[01:10] <markjones> Cyri > Chinese
[01:12] <Kaia> :O
[01:12] <cgriff> Well I prefer Chinese tbh but   they are holding a curry night
[01:12] <Kaia> Chinese > curry
[01:12] <cgriff> Kaia++
[01:15] <markjones> yeah
[01:15] <markjones> i get my > and < mixed up
[01:16] <Kaia> silly >.<
[01:16] <Kaia> cgriff: which chinese?
[01:17] <cgriff> Kaia: Hot Dumplings? ;)
[01:17] <markjones> :P
[01:17] <Kaia> oh yeah! cgriff new oriental place opened by pier called The Orchid
[01:17] <Kaia> they do an all you can eat for like £6 or something in the day
[01:17] <cgriff> There's already an Orchid on the street near Subway
[01:17] <Kaia> aye i know
[01:17] <Kaia> but that place is expensive
[01:18] <Kaia> my uncle reckons i ate there once when i was about 12 :S
[01:18] <markjones> aww bechod
[01:19] <cgriff> It's not that expensive, I used to have Thai noodles there all the time, proper meal with drink for like 6 quid
[01:20] <markjones> cgriff: you never approved of my email i copy/pasted
[01:20] <cgriff> markjones: It's short but should do ;)
[01:21] <markjones> ok
[01:21] <Mr__T> oh waaaait
[01:21] <Mr__T> cgriff = ianto
[01:21] <markjones> YES!
[01:21] <Mr__T> dug
[01:21] <Mr__T> duh
[01:21] <Mr__T> sorry
[01:22] <markjones> brainfart again, Mr__T?
[01:22]  * Kaia facepalms
[01:22] <Mr__T> meh
[01:22]  * Kaia waves at Mr__T
[01:22] <Mr__T> why should I have known  he changed nick?
[01:22] <Mr__T> anyway
[01:22] <cgriff> /msg nickserv info cgriff
[01:22] <Mr__T> cgriff, see link I posted on facebutte
[01:22] <Kaia> markjones: don't worry, i did the same thing earlier :)
[01:23] <Kaia> euch Mr__T
[01:23] <cgriff> Yeah I did but I am not sure how an upgrade disk license can be registered to a machine for a fresh install
[01:23] <Mr__T> see url2
[01:23] <Mr__T> and/or talk to jeff pugh
[01:23] <Mr__T> he knows his shiz
[01:24] <Mr__T> or, ask me nicely and I can lend you a legit XP CD from my ex-employer...
[01:24] <Kaia> Mr__T: are you going to Hacio'r Iaith?
[01:24] <Mr__T> aye, should do
[01:24] <Kaia> :D epic
[01:24] <Mr__T> 28th is my worst case scenario return date to aber
[01:25] <Mr__T> gig that night at the rafa too
[01:25] <markjones> i might go along to that gig
[01:25] <markjones> (the one in Lew Du)
[01:26] <Kaia> hmm i've never been in the rafa
[01:26] <Mr__T> ahh maybe it's the llew du
[01:26] <cgriff> Anyone going to the Cymdeithas gig in ABer too? In the rugby club for the 50th anniversary?
[01:26] <Kaia> Mr__T seems to live there..
[01:26] <Mr__T> either way,  I'm going to help set up
[01:26]  * cgriff lives in Y Cwps :p
[01:26] <Mr__T> the rafa is our turf
[01:28] <Mr__T> also, close to teh boat
[01:28] <Mr__T> for 4am finishes
[01:29] <markjones> hehe
[01:29] <Kaia> cgriff: I used to go to y cwps but my locals are the fountain and aber vaults now
[01:30] <Mr__T> I went to the fountain once
[01:30] <Kaia> I've been going to the fountain since around 13
[01:30] <Mr__T> alright food
[01:30] <Mr__T> ahh, cos of teh caravan
[01:30]  * Mr__T knows all
[01:30] <cgriff> Kaia: Uch... Aber Vaults... -_-
[01:31] <Mr__T> scholars, rummers, angel for a laugh
[01:31] <Mr__T> went to the academy the other night, maaaan
[01:31] <Mr__T> I haven't been in there since about 2005
[01:31] <Mr__T> I dunno why, the inside is cooool
[01:32] <Mr__T> more churches should be put to good use imo
[01:32] <markjones> Y Niwl and Sen Segur are in Llew Du on Friday nights
[01:32] <markjones> *night
[01:32] <cgriff> My surgery is a revamped church in Aber
[01:32] <cgriff> It's rather unique
[01:32] <Mr__T> aye
[01:33] <Mr__T> church surgery....
[01:33] <cgriff> Horrendous waiting times though
[01:33] <Mr__T> arad goch theatre is an old  church too
[01:33] <cgriff> You can't get an appointment for two weeks
[01:33] <Mr__T> awwwwesome building
[01:33] <Mr__T> super renovated inside
[01:33] <Mr__T> opposite the commodore cinema
[01:34] <markjones> our surgery's in a brand new building, it's been designed for /maximum/ confusion
[01:34] <Mr__T> are all the corridors optical illusions?
[01:34] <markjones> no, it's open plan
[01:36] <Kaia_chan> i think Kaia is going to ping out soon ;/
[01:36] <cgriff> central can never ping out ;)
[01:36] <Kaia_chan> house internet went down
[01:36] <Kaia_chan> cgriff: what have you been smoking?!
[01:39] <cgriff> Kaia_chan: Ground up some old RAM into a pipe, that almost killed me ;)
[01:40] <Kaia_chan> aye, say hi to sam for me
[01:40] <cgriff> Lol she's not here -_-
[01:43] <Kaia_chan> awww how come?
[01:43] <Kaia_chan> do i have to sign up for haciath?
[01:44] <cgriff> She spends most of her time in another house
[01:44] <cgriff> Kaia_chan: You might as well
[01:48] <markjones> http://direct.tesco.com/product/images/?R=205-7010&tn=/0/SS09205-7010TPS448460.jpg i might buy this for use at Kaia_chan 's house
[01:49] <markjones> (we're not making the same mistakes we made last time :P )
[01:52] <Kaia_chan> yeah i have a warning as well
[01:52] <markjones> oh?
[01:52] <Kaia_chan> no funny business in my house please
[01:52] <Kaia_chan> if jade finds out she will go ape
[01:53] <Mr__T> zomg, you  should see what I slept on at aimaz's
[01:53] <Mr__T> it's called a bean2bag
[01:53] <Mr__T> it were massive
[01:53]  * cgriff googles
[01:53] <markjones> there was no funny business, as far as I can remember.... We're not bringing an airbed so don't need to pump it up in the middle of the night :O_
[01:53] <Mr__T> thanks, I'm watching sherlock :)
[01:54] <Kaia_chan> sherlock is epic win
[01:54] <Kaia_chan> is episode 2 out yet?
[01:54] <cgriff> No Béarla was epic win :P
[01:54] <Kaia_chan> Mr__T: bean2bag?
[01:55] <Mr__T> a bed that rolls up and goes into beanbag bag
[01:57] <Kaia_chan> ahhh
[01:57] <Kaia_chan> my parents have been looking at buying a new house
[01:57] <markjones> Mr__T: one of these butte: http://bean2bed.com/bean-bags.html
[01:58] <Mr__T> yeeeah
[01:58] <Mr__T> not bean2bag
[01:58] <Mr__T> that in front of the wood burner was lovely
[01:59] <Mr__T> alas, bedtime
[01:59] <Kaia_chan> http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/9-11/beech-road/pontyrhyl/bridgend/cf32-8aj/4767072
[01:59] <Kaia_chan> ^the new house we are looking at
[02:00] <cgriff> Kaia_chan: No pics?
[02:00] <Mr__T> nossssssssssssssssss da
[02:01] <Kaia_chan> http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/9-11/beech-road/pontyrhyl/bridgend/cf32-8aj/4194721
[02:01] <Kaia_chan> we are thinking of converting the study into a bedroom
[02:01] <Kaia_chan> the dining room into a games room
[02:02] <cgriff> Nicely decorated the previous owners had it
[02:03] <markjones> *sigh* it's 2am and Nat wants me to go and cuddle her in bed...
[02:03] <markjones> (to help her sleep)
[02:03] <markjones> nos da
[02:06] <Kaia_chan> awww i think my house has been taken off the market :(
[02:06] <Kaia_chan> can't find it now
[02:07] <Kaia_chan> on the site we were looking at it on
[11:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:10] <markjones> Morming :)
[11:11] <markjones> I might start hacking our Wiki pages, making it more up to date and meaningful
[11:11] <brobostigon> morning markjones :)
[11:11] <brobostigon> markjones: if you have the url, i lost some of my bookmarks a few weeks ago.
[11:12] <markjones> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam
[11:12] <brobostigon> yhank you.
[11:12] <brobostigon> thank you.
[11:13] <markjones> cgriff: what's this 'official' membership we have?
[11:32] <markjones> major edit of the wiki page done
[11:33] <markjones> I'm going to tidy it up
[11:33] <brobostigon> ok
[11:35] <markjones> If you want to brobostigon, I've just created Welshteam/Events
[11:35] <markjones> could you fill it up? :P
[11:36] <markjones> we don't need things like meetings, just events such as Global Jam, Hacking Language etc
[11:36] <brobostigon> let me check back in my diary.
[11:44] <markjones> and i'm at it again... all our old news (from 2010 and 2009) is on WelshTeam/News
[11:44] <markjones> :P
[11:48] <brobostigon> weird, as soon i try and reload the wiki page, chromium just dies.
[11:48] <markjones> i'm doing a lot of edits, that's why :P
[11:49] <brobostigon> ok.
[12:23] <markjones> right
[12:23] <markjones> i've brought it up to date
[12:23] <brobostigon> :)
[12:23] <markjones> I need to clarify things with cgriff and dariusH_ now
[12:24] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:24] <brobostigon> let me look also.
[12:24] <markjones> (Darius is listed as Team Contact, need to check if he still wants to do it)
[12:24] <brobostigon> yes
[12:25] <brobostigon> in practicality, there is not many people that are candidates.
[12:25] <brobostigon> if he doesnt.
[12:26] <markjones> it'll be lestid as a vacancy
[12:26] <markjones> *listed
[12:26] <brobostigon> yes
[12:26] <brobostigon> ok.
[12:27] <brobostigon> and i cant be, having an english, welsh team contact, that lives in england, isnt really the best of ideas.
[12:28] <brobostigon> half english/half welsh*
[12:29] <markjones> I'm going to be creating a few other roles
[12:29] <markjones> there might be something you can do :)
[12:29] <brobostigon> maybe, if i am feeling better, and my concentration etc, is back to normal.
[12:46] <markjones> ok
[12:47] <markjones> sorry, doing more changes to the wiki :P
[12:47] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:26] <markjones> i've updated the main pages now
[13:27] <markjones> they look pretty decent and up to date
[13:30] <markjones> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam
[13:30] <markjones> the events page has been populated too
[13:32] <brobostigon> :)
[13:32]  * brobostigon looks.
[13:34] <brobostigon> markjones: maybe we could use google+ hangout or similer for the meeting? could it allow for document sharing etc?
[13:35] <markjones> yes, but we need to keep minutes
[13:35] <markjones> and not everyone uses Google+
[13:35] <brobostigon> true, good point.
[13:50] <markjones> hey Mr__T
[13:54] <Mr__T> mornin
[13:54] <Mr__T> er
[13:54] <Mr__T> yeah
[13:55] <Mr__T> sleep debt: repaid
[13:55] <brobostigon> afternoongs Mr__T
[13:55] <brobostigon> afternoonings*
[13:56] <Mr__T> yoyo
[13:56] <brobostigon> Mr__T: markjones just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam, our wiki page.
[13:57] <Mr__T> ah neis
[13:58] <markjones> yeah
[13:58] <markjones> they wre all out of date
[13:59] <brobostigon> i just read an interesting statistic, of all people of working age, 85% of those, diagnosed with aspergers are long term unemployed.
[14:00] <Mr__T> :/
[14:01] <brobostigon> the outlook isnt good for me then.
[14:01] <Mr__T> the trick is to make a job out of your hobbies/interests
[14:02] <Mr__T> even if you have to go self employed
[14:02] <markjones> itok
[14:02] <markjones> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimCymraeg is up to date too
[14:03] <brobostigon> Mr__T: true point, and that is what i have tried to do, and has been a filiure.
[14:03] <Mr__T> :/
[14:04] <Mr__T> the other trick is to move somewhere nice and let the gov worry about you instead
[14:04] <Mr__T> change is as good as a rest and all that
[14:04] <brobostigon> Mr__T: i live somewhere nice, yes.
[14:04] <Mr__T> nono
[14:04] <Mr__T> has to be somewhere else
[14:04] <Mr__T> there isn't working...
[14:05] <markjones> changes have been made to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam/Events, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimCymraeg and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam/HackingLanguage
[14:05] <brobostigon> Mr__T: change is not good, i have lived where i am now, for muist be 6 years, and i am still not proper used to, and or comfortable.
[14:05] <markjones> yeah, it's hard for people with AS
[14:05] <Mr__T> brobostigon, do you think you ever will at the rate?
[14:05] <markjones> (it's hard for anyone with a disability actually)
[14:06] <Mr__T> aye
[14:06] <brobostigon> Mr__T: it is simply a fact of who i am, and the person i am, it cannot be avoided.
[14:06] <markjones> Hmm
[14:06] <markjones> should I create a Twitter account?
[14:06] <Mr__T> I don't think you have anything to lose
[14:06] <markjones> (for the LoCo)
[14:06] <Mr__T> re-phrase that so it doesn't sound insulting
[14:07] <Mr__T> btw, don't suppose anyone has a server I could have a shell on for an  IRC bouncer?
[14:07] <brobostigon> Mr__T: last time i moved, it was bad enough, because iof the change, i tried to harm myself, if you see what i mean, about 6 months later.
[14:08] <Mr__T> but doesn't that also add weight to the argument that that was not the right place for you?
[14:09] <markjones> Mr__T: i do
[14:09] <brobostigon> Mr__T: that was early when i moved here, upto now, certain the klast year or so, it has been mostly stable, so it is mostly the right place.
[14:09] <markjones> but it's being updated over the next 48 hours
[14:09] <brobostigon> Mr__T: it is the initial move and change which is the issue.
[14:09] <markjones> (I have a VPS running Ubuntu)
[14:09] <Mr__T> I see
[14:09] <Mr__T> markjones, bingo :D
[14:09]  * brobostigon also has a vps running debian.
[14:09] <Mr__T> I used to have a shell on anubis til Narc kicked us off :/
[14:10] <markjones> yeah, i did too
[14:10] <Mr__T> thought you did
[14:10] <markjones> :P
[14:10] <brobostigon> i am on bitfolk now.
[14:10] <markjones> i'm with Zerneboj
[14:10] <markjones> *Zernebok
[14:10] <markjones> i know the <D
[14:10] <markjones> *MD
[14:11] <Mr__T> I'll add biscuits to the cuppa in exchange for a login >:D
[14:11] <brobostigon> ah.
[14:11] <Mr__T> but no rush
[14:11] <markjones> heh, no need for bribery
[14:11] <markjones> it'll be the host for the website too
[14:11] <Mr__T> my phone is flat and I haven't got a microusb cable
[14:11] <Mr__T> so far enjoying the peace
[14:11] <markjones> sucks
[14:12] <Mr__T> left a friend's place in a hurry, gave up searching for it
[14:12] <Mr__T> figured my dad's camera cable might fit it,  it didn't
[14:12] <markjones> Mr__T: this is the presentation (needs translating) I'm doing for Hacio'r Iaith: https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASuIGA3SepQMZGRtdno2ODJfMTc2ZnZ2OWQzdng
[14:12] <Mr__T> don't want to pay argos prices
[14:13] <Mr__T> oh cool
[14:13] <markjones> go see a paki in a phone shop
[14:13] <markjones> he'll sell you one cheap
[14:14] <Mr__T> aye, still waiting on funnnnds though
[14:14] <Mr__T> invoiced yesterday
[14:14] <Mr__T> gonna be a while
[14:14] <markjones> i'm having to restrain myself, i don't want to break the Code of Conduct
[14:14] <Mr__T> haha
[14:15] <Mr__T> I got a fitocracy invite yesterday
[14:15] <Mr__T> reminded me I want one of those exercise android apps
[14:15] <markjones> hen
[14:15] <markjones> *heh
[14:16] <Mr__T> also, had an idea of a heart rate monitor app in a dream, but then found it's been done :/
[14:16] <Mr__T> just like every idea I have
[14:16] <markjones> yup
[14:18] <markjones> right, time to translate!
[14:18] <Mr__T> time to get dressed.
[14:19]  * brobostigon points at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Autistic_Survival_Guide
[14:28] <markjones> ugh, I hate it when people embed graphics into their background...
[14:29] <brobostigon> agreed. it is outdated.
[14:32] <markjones> I've just had to layer elements over them...
[14:32] <brobostigon> ah.
[15:03] <cgriff> markjones: Beth dylet ti egluro 'da fi?
[15:04] <markjones> firstly
[15:04] <markjones> do you like the updated pages?
[15:05] <markjones> secondly: the bottom of WelshTeam: is Darius still Team Contact? and there's an empty section - support
[15:05]  * cgriff looks at revision log
[15:05] <brobostigon> afternoonings cgriff :)
[15:07] <cgriff> Afternoon brobostigon
[15:07] <cgriff> markjones: It looks okay but the Contact PAge and section still list me as PoC
[15:07] <markjones> yup
[15:07] <markjones> will get to that
[15:10] <cgriff> I'm failing to sign into the wiki with Ubuntu's SSO -_-
[15:10] <markjones> yeah
[15:10] <markjones> it's a bit sticky...
[15:13] <cgriff> Just updated my personal wiki page, rather out of date ;)
[15:14] <markjones> yeah, mine was too
[15:18] <markjones> ***
[15:18] <markjones> powerpoint just crashed
[15:18] <markjones> i just lost all he translation :(
[15:18] <brobostigon> :(
[15:22] <markjones> cgriff: have you got the time to get me some Launchpad screenshots?
[15:22] <cgriff> markjones: It's simple yeah but of what in Launchpad?
[15:23] <markjones> moment
[15:26] <markjones> cgriff: https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASuIGA3SepQMZGRtdno2ODJfMjgxZ3IzdmtiaGM
[15:26] <markjones> any of those slides that say 'need screenshot'
[15:45] <markjones> flying through this translation :P
[15:58] <markjones> cgriff: wyt ti'n deall y cyfweliad?
[15:59] <cgriff> markjones: Pa gyfweliad?
[15:59] <cgriff> Pwy sy'n mynd i gael ei gyfweld? :p
[16:02] <markjones> oops
[16:02] <markjones> do you like the presentation?
[16:03]  * markjones is tired
[16:03] <cgriff> Lol "glasprint" :p
[16:04] <markjones> indeed
[16:05] <cgriff> markjones: Ti wedi paratoi beth ti'n mynd i ddweud to?
[16:05] <markjones> nope
[16:06] <markjones> fydd hynna'n nesa
[16:06] <cgriff> okay cool :)
[16:07] <markjones> do you want to say anything?
[16:08] <markjones> What i was thinking is we get one of the morning presentation slots, then we can do some registrations and help people to get started
[16:41] <cgriff> liam: Are you Mr_T?
[16:42] <markjones> he is
[16:42] <cgriff> Cool \o
[16:43] <liam> ydw