[02:39] <bigjools> roaksoax: fwiw I am getting apparmor problems with dhcp on quantal using the dailybuild package, is this known?
[02:40] <roaksoax> bigjools: no tomy knowledge. what kind of error?
[02:41] <bigjools> roaksoax: Apr  9 12:35:44 maas dhcpd: Open a socket for LPF: Permission denied
[02:41] <bigjools> Apr  9 12:35:44 maas kernel: [ 1194.554101] type=1400 audit(1365474944.338:53): appar
[02:41] <bigjools> mor="DENIED" operation="create" parent=1 profile="/usr/sbin/dhcpd" pid=3444 comm="dhc
[02:41] <bigjools> pd" family="packet" sock_type="raw" protocol=768
[02:42] <roaksoax> bigjools: has packaging changed in upstream? cause trunk should have all of the fixes that were made for qusntal
[02:42] <bigjools> roaksoax: dunno - this is a build from a month ago
[02:42] <bigjools> roaksoax: the daily ppa is a mess of versions
[02:43] <bigjools> could do with an overhaul
[02:43] <roaksoax> bigjools: thats weird
[02:43] <roaksoax> yeah
[02:43] <bigjools> anyway, testing the experimental Go-juju provider
[02:43] <roaksoax> bigjools: i have not sern those issues running raring nor the sru prepared package
[02:45] <bigjools> roaksoax: I suspect the package itself is screwed, I don't trust them any more because of so many version problems (upload fail with duped files)
[02:45] <bigjools> this makes me sad
[02:45] <roaksoax> yeah
[04:51] <bigjools> roaksoax: commissioning and enlistment are taking *ages* now... :/
[07:32] <TheChistoso_> i can't get the MAAS notice "The region controller does not know whether any boot images have been imported yet. If this message does not disappear in 5 minutes..." to go away
[07:32] <TheChistoso_> where are these logs I'm supposed to inspect?
[07:53] <TheChistoso_> anybody here?
[13:26] <roaksoax> bigjools: i think I know why that is.. and I already have a fix for it
[13:46] <roaksoax> allenap: howdy!! So FPI is mostly done, I do, however, have a question for you
[13:46] <roaksoax> allenap: check https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/trunk-fpi/+merge/152039 and look at line 707
[13:46] <roaksoax> allenap: how do you think we should approach obtaining the interface in order to obtain the IP when there are no managed networks?
[14:05] <allenap> roaksoax: I can't think of a better way than that. Do you have anything in mind?
[14:08] <roaksoax> allenap: no idea.. wsa trying to think of a way but other than obtaining the first one, there doesn'y seem to be much of a solution
[14:10] <allenap> roaksoax: Stick with that for now then.
[14:16] <roaksoax> allenap: will do, thanks!
[17:12] <TheChistoso_> hello!
[22:50] <bigjools> roaksoax: would be be in the ipmi detection by any chance?
[22:50] <bigjools> s/be be/it be/
[22:52] <roaksoax> bigjools: were you using a branch with the new ipmi detection?
[22:53] <roaksoax> bigjools: or did you enable the IPMI params?
[23:10] <bigjools> roaksoax: argh, sorry, desktop problems.  my mouse keeps disconnecting itself and replugging doesn't work, I need to reboot.
[23:10] <bigjools> anyway, it is slow with or without ipmi params enabled
[23:12] <roaksoax> bigjools: have you grabbed any logs? (such as cloud init ones?)
[23:13] <roaksoax> bigjools: while i have runned into slow ipmi detection myself, Its for network issues as my network setup is a strange one
[23:14] <bigjools> roaksoax: not yet, fighting maas
[23:14] <bigjools> and I need the backdoor image... grar
[23:21] <roaksoax> bigjools: re on your re-writing thing.. I agree. I wanted to separate the ipmi detection on a separate package/binary... however, the particular bug that's been fixed there is a bug that was targetted for 1.2 and has been there for a long time
[23:21] <roaksoax> and the only thing that caused is longer time on enlistment/commissioning for trying to discover ipmi
[23:25] <bigjools> roaksoax: only longer on VMs though?
[23:25] <bigjools> it takes about 10 minutes to complete on the HP microservers now
[23:26] <roaksoax> bigjools: with today's fix, it should not even try to detect ipmi in VM's
[23:27] <roaksoax> bigjools: and that's weird, I have my microservers here working just fine
[23:27] <roaksoax> bigjools: they were taking longer than usual only because of my network setup
[23:27] <bigjools> roaksoax: I suspect my maas is screwed up, I had to downgrade because of the crazy package versioning and it may have gone wrong
[23:27] <bigjools> I will reinstall
[23:28] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok
[23:28] <roaksoax> bigjools: what are you using, daily builds?
[23:28] <bigjools> yeah
[23:28] <roaksoax> weird then
[23:28] <bigjools> I previously had a home-made trunk build on quantal
[23:28] <bigjools> I switched to daily
[23:29] <bigjools> but the south migrations in the DB was screwed
[23:29] <roaksoax> yeah that's a likely cause of nighmare's
[23:29]  * bigjools getting fed up of twitter follow spam
[23:47] <roaksoax> bigjools: i'll be on and off for the next hour/2 hour so let me know your findings
[23:47] <bigjools> roaksoax: I'll be a while - I am upgrading the server to raring


[00:06] <Lcawte> How can I not remember my launchpad password.. and wheres my email :|
[00:08] <wgrant> Lcawte: Do you remember your username?
[00:08] <wgrant> Any bugs you've filed?
[00:09] <Lcawte> wgrant: yes.. of course I know my username :P
[00:09] <Lcawte> I'm logged in, just trying to use my openid and forgot my password.. and can't login to change that.. wow the system is stupid kinda
[00:09] <Lcawte> username = lewiscawte
[00:10] <wgrant> Lcawte: I'm confused. You're logged in, but you're not logged in?
[00:11] <Lcawte> I'm logged in, but when you use your OpenID (from launchpad), it asks you for your password and the same when you want to change your password, but your logged in for the rest of the features
[00:12] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[00:12] <wgrant> Allowing password changes without asking for the old password would be really bad.
[00:13] <Lcawte> and not getting the confirmation code to reset your password when you've forgotten its even worse :|
[00:16] <wgrant> Lcawte: Could you open a support case at https://forms.canonical.com/lp-login-support/?
[00:21] <Lcawte> Done
[15:22] <serfus> i need some help with my LP account, is someone available?
[16:37] <seiflotfy_> hey guys
[16:37] <seiflotfy_> i want to know hwo many commits i made to a branch


 Welcome
[00:38] <huangzhi> thx
[00:38] <Jack_Sparrow> California here
[00:48] <rock64> hi
[00:48] <rock64> test
[00:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Welcome to Mate Support
[02:30] <lafleurdubien> I'm having serious problems with my mouse cursor moving to the bottom right and doing a fast and extreme "zoom-in" behavior
[02:30] <lafleurdubien> Has anybody had this issue or ever heard of it?
[03:46] <Guest22483> HELLO
[03:46] <Jack_Sparrow> We;cpme
[03:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Welcome
[03:47] <Guest22483> i want to know how can i make netbeans work in ubuntu mate
[06:32] <huangzhi> good aftertoon
[19:36] <nick__> oh hi
[19:36] <nick__> yess
[19:40] <nick__> hiii
[20:01] <mer> helllo
[20:01] <mer> can any1 help me getting my audio to work
[20:02] <diogenes_> what's wrong with your audio?
[20:03] <mer> doesnt work
[20:03] <mer> at all seems like it is not detected
[20:03] <mer> i can lower it or increase it but no sound
[20:04] <diogenes_> right after the installation of ubuntu?
[20:04] <mer> yeh
[20:04] <mer> ubuntumate
[20:04] <diogenes_> has it ever worked on under linux?
[20:04] <mer> no idea
[20:04] <mer> bought a new laptop
[20:05] <mer> installed linux right away
[20:05] <diogenes_> ok, how did you test it? on youtube?>
[20:06] <mer> yes
[20:06] <mer> or increasing sound on laptop .. usually makes a noise
[20:06] <diogenes_> ok let's try this, run in terminal: sudo apt install pavucontrol
[20:07] <mer> ok done
[20:08] <diogenes_> now open the menu > multimedia and open pulse audio control
[20:09] <mer> yep im there
[20:09] <diogenes_> go to configuration and tell me what options do you see in there
[20:09] <mer> no cards available
[20:10] <diogenes_> under the built-in audio?
[20:10] <mer> dummy output
[20:10] <diogenes_> ok now, run in terminal: sudo apt install inxi
[20:11] <mer> already installed
[20:12] <diogenes_> ok now run: inxi -Fxrc0
[20:12] <diogenes_> after that, copy everything and paste to susepaste.org (or whatever) and share the link here
[20:13] <mer> System:    Host: mer-E200HA Kernel: 4.10.0-33-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
[20:13] <mer>            Desktop: MATE 1.12.1 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3)
[20:13] <mer>            Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
[20:13] <mer> Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: E200HA v: 1.0
[20:13] <mer>            Bios: American Megatrends v: E200HA.303 date: 12/21/2016
[20:13] <mer> CPU:       Quad core Intel Atom x5-Z8350 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB
[20:13] <mer>            flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 11520
[20:13] <mer>            clock speeds: max: 1920 MHz 1: 1784 MHz 2: 1632 MHz 3: 1559 MHz
[20:13] <mer>            4: 1392 MHz
[20:13] <diogenes_> nooo
[20:13] <mer> Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 22b0 bus-ID: 00:02.0
[20:13] <diogenes_> stop
[20:13] <mer>            Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
[20:13] <mer>            Resolution<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:13] <diogenes_> stoppppp
[20:13] <mer>            GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics (Cherrytrail)
[20:13] <diogenes_> NOT HEREEEE
[20:13] <mer>            GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.7 Direct Rendering: Yes
[20:13] <mer> Audio:     Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.0-33-generic
[20:13] <mer> Network:   Card: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042
[20:13] <mer>            driver: ath10k_pci bus-ID: 01:00.0
[20:13] <mer>            IF: wlp1s0 state: up speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: f0:03:8c:dd:80:67
[20:14] <diogenes_> omgggg
[20:14] <mer> Drives:    HDD Total Size: NA (-) ID-1: /dev/mmcblk0 model: N/A size: 31.3GB
[20:14] <mer> Partition: ID-1: / size: 25G used: 5.5G (24%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/mmcblk0p2
[20:14] <mer>            ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.18GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/mmcblk0p3
[20:14] <mer> RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
[20:14] <mer> Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
[20:14] <mer> Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates main restricted
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial universe
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates universe
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial multiverse
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates multiverse
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security main restricted
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security universe
[20:14] <mer>            deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security multiverse
[20:14] <mer>            Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
[20:14] <mer>            deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[20:14] <mer> Info:      Processes: 205 Uptime: 12 min Memory: 832.6/3844.3MB
[20:14] <mer>            Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
[20:14] <mer>            Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35
[20:14] <mer> ok
[20:14] <mer> why >
[20:14] <diogenes_> mer, not ok, at all not ok
[20:15] <diogenes_> read out loud my last sentence
[20:15] <mer> ok well anywas its done now
[20:15] <mer> im new
[20:15] <genii> !pastebin
[20:16] <diogenes_> mer, I'm not gonna read that mess, so either paste to pastebin or don't
[20:16] <diogenes_> you decide
[20:17] <mer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25427102/
[20:17] <diogenes_> mer, if you don't understand something like what to do or what I mean, then better ask for details and not rush in taking actions without understanding
[20:18] <mer> ok the link is there
[20:19] <diogenes_> ok that's better
[20:19] <diogenes_> next question, did you run a fully system upgrade after installing ubuntu-mate?
[20:21] <mer> yes
[20:21] <diogenes_> how did you run it?
[20:21] <mer> sudo apt-get install upgrade then update
[20:22] <diogenes_> now run: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[20:22] <diogenes_> and tell me what's going on
[20:22] <mer> all 0's
[20:22] <mer> done
[20:23] <diogenes_> what's the last sentence in the terminal?
[20:24] <mer> e && sudo apt upgrade
 and tell me what's going on
[20:24] <mer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.]
[20:24] <diogenes_> ok that's what I was asking for
[20:25] <diogenes_> next step, run: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[20:25] <diogenes_> and tell em what you get
[20:25] <diogenes_> me*
[20:25] <okno909> hi
[20:25] <diogenes_> hi
[20:25] <okno909> sup?
[20:25] <diogenes_> maybe
[20:25] <okno909> ????
[20:26] <okno909> how do i relogin if i close this window?
[20:26] <mer> intel-microcode
[20:26] <okno909> ?
[20:26] <diogenes_> mer, now run: sudo apt install intel-microcode
[20:26] <diogenes_> okno909, what window what's your issue?
[20:27] <okno909> if i close HexChat, and reopen, will i automatically be re-logged in?
[20:27] <diogenes_> right click on the channel and check the box autologin
[20:27] <diogenes_> autojoin*
[20:28] <okno909> cool thx
[20:28] <mer> done
[20:28] <diogenes_> yw
[20:28] <diogenes_> mer, now cross your fingers, reboot and come back here
[20:28] <okno909> im using ubuntu mate on an rpi2
[20:28] <diogenes_> cool
[20:28] <andrey> привет всем
[20:29] <diogenes_> привет
[20:30] <andrey> поставил линух вотнезнаю как еготеперьнастроить нормально естькакие фишки
[20:30] <mer> im back
[20:31] <diogenes_> andrey, немного занят
[20:31] <diogenes_> mer, check the sound
[20:32] <mer> nope still not working
[20:32] <diogenes_> mer, run: aplay -l
[20:33] <diogenes_> paste to pastebin and share the link here
[20:33] <mer> no sound card foud
[20:33] <diogenes_> that's bad, now you gonna have to wait
[20:34] <okno909> hi
[20:34] <okno909> 7yay
[20:38] <diogenes_> mer, do you have any precious files on your pc that you afraid to lose?
[20:38] <mer> no
[20:39] <diogenes_> ok then let's try this: sudo apt dist-upgrade
[20:40] <mer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:40] <diogenes_> mer, Open ‘Software & Updates’
[20:41] <mer> done
[20:42] <diogenes_> Select the ‘Updates‘ tab, find the section titled ‘Notify me of a new Ubuntu version‘
[20:42] <mer> yep
[20:42] <diogenes_> Change this from ‘For long-term support versions’ to ‘For any new version‘, click close
[20:43] <mer> ok
[20:43] <diogenes_> after clicking close you should be prompted to run a quick update
[20:43] <mer> nope
[20:43] <mer> it didnt
[20:44] <diogenes_> ok run in terminal: sudo do-release-upgrade -d


[00:05] <Laney> james_w: hi, got the next lot — http://dpaste.com/167584/
[00:05] <Laney> been slacking a bit, sorry
[00:06] <james_w> Laney: LP is taking a nap, ping me tomorrow and I'll process them
[00:06] <Laney> oh, I didn't actually expect you to be around at midnight
[00:07] <james_w> well, you are :-)
[00:07] <crimsun> xmonad-contrib is 528803
[00:07] <Laney> I forgot to -f on agda
[01:19] <duanedesign> i have done a few patches to fix some easy bugs and posted the patches upstream. I am now wondering what i should attempt next? What would be a good next step?
[01:33] <persia> duanedesign: Towards which goal do you seek a next step?
[01:51] <duanedesign> hello persia
[01:53] <duanedesign> persia: my eventual goal is to be a MOTU and help maintain and add to the Universe and Multiverse
[01:53] <persia> OK then.
[01:53] <duanedesign> persia: is that too broad :)
[01:54] <persia> Two areas which need current work are unmetdeps and patch review.  I'd be happy to lead you through getting started with either of those, if you have time.
[01:54] <persia> No.  broad is what MOTU is all about :)
[01:54] <duanedesign> oh yeah, definetly!
[01:55] <persia> If you'd no preference, I'd rather point you at patch review, as there are recent logs of my pointing someone at unmetdeps
[01:55] <persia> Does that sound like something you're up to doing?
[01:55] <duanedesign> sounds good.
[01:56] <persia> So, we have millions of users, and they submit thousands of patches, and one of our roles is to process those patches to improve the software.
[01:56] <persia> This generally involves testing the patch, potentially porting it to the newest revision, determining the state of the patch in upstream, making sure it does things in a sane way, etc.
[01:57] <persia> If a patch is good, clean, well-reported (or already upstream), we can just upload (freeze observations permitting).
[01:57] <persia> If a patch needs work, we can either work on it or work with the patch submitter to have them work on it.
[01:58] <persia> But the idea is to collect all the patches, make sure they are as good as they can be, and get them into the software (either in Ubuntu or upstream).
[01:58] <persia> There's lots of useful links at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com with stuff that needs attention.  One of those is "Ubuntu Bugs with the "patch" tag.  This is our target for today.
[01:58] <duanedesign> I have not done a ton of patches yet, but it seems like most patches go upstream?
[01:59] <persia> Lots of them, yeah.  There are rare cases where we want a patch only in Ubuntu, but most patches should get passed upstream so that everyone benefits.
[02:00] <duanedesign> I also see a link on /MOTU/TODO/Bugs for Universe and Multiverse bugs with patches attached
[02:00] <persia> That works too :)  There's lots of links to this list.
[02:00] <persia> I like the "patch" tag because those tend to have gotten some triage, but any of the methods works.
[02:00] <duanedesign> ill stick with the one you gave for know. Just want to make sure i am understanding :)
[02:00] <persia> There's about 2000 patches out there, and about 250 with the patch tag.
[02:01] <duanedesign> ok great persia
[02:03] <persia> So, once you've gotten to one of the lists, pick a bug.  I recommend starting either with a package you've seen before, or with a package that you think doesn't have so many developers working on it: these tend to have easier-to-process patches.
[02:04] <persia> Please share the bug number once you picked it so I can follow along :)
[02:05] <funkyHat> Is there an automated way to deal with merge diffs?
[02:07] <funkyHat> Or should I just delete the lines that I don't want?
[02:07] <persia> funkyHat: There are a few, but we've not found any that are smart enough that we can remove humans from the loop.  The algorithm used on MoM is our best current stable attempt.
[02:07] <funkyHat> persia: I mean is there a tool I can use to step through the parts that need merging and choose one or the other?
[02:08] <persia> funkyHat: No, that's the part where we still need human intelligence :)
[02:09]  * duanedesign is looking through the 'patch' bugs now
[02:09] <funkyHat> So I have to manually remove the <<<<<<<< blah-version (ubuntu) and [02:10] <persia> If you're using MoM, yes, and you have to think about the other stuff.
[02:10] <funkyHat> ok
[02:10] <persia> Also, you'll want to think about *any other* changes.  MoM merges some stuff cleanly which needs attention.
[02:15]  * zul cries
[02:15] <persia> Why?
[02:15] <zul> ajmitch: fixed
[02:16] <ajmitch> zul: I should have done it myself, but it took awhile to update my lucid VM :)
[02:17] <zul> ajmitch: slacker
[02:20] <funkyHat> If the debian maintainer has changed, should I update XSBC-Original-Maintainer to match?
[02:20] <persia> funkyHat: Please.
[02:20] <persia> duanedesign: Did you find a good bug with a patch?  Do you need a suggestion?
[02:21] <funkyHat> Oh I guess that's what will happen anyway if I keep the debian maintainer headers and then run update-maintainer...
[02:21] <duanedesign> persia: i think i might of found something
[02:22] <duanedesign> bug 40925
[02:22] <persia> Oh, that's a good one!
[02:22] <duanedesign> looks like there is a patch upstream waiting
[02:23] <persia> From the description, the manpages might already be included in the upstream tarball.  Download the source to check.
[02:23] <funkyHat> Does it make any sense to use apport-bug to file a merge bug?
[02:23] <persia> funkyHat: Not really, no.
[02:23] <duanedesign> persia: kk
[02:23] <funkyHat> Didn't think so :)
[02:25] <funkyHat> Oh... launchpad isn't being awkward about filing bugs anymore
[02:25] <funkyHat> that's nice
[02:25] <funkyHat> I was just digging for the firefox quicksearch I made to get around it
[02:35] <bjsnider> if an original tarball already contains debian build scripts
[02:35] <persia> bjsnider: Are they good ones?
[02:35] <bjsnider> yeah, good ones
[02:35] <bjsnider> libxine
[02:36] <bjsnider> what is the procedure as far as preparing it for the build system
[02:37] <persia> Typically the same as usual, only one patches (if necessary) upstream stuff rather than starting from scratch.
[02:37] <bjsnider> what i mean is ordinalrily i would add .orig to the name, then add the build scripts to the local directory and do debuild -S -sa
[02:37] <persia> But that sounds like a package we've had around for a while.  Try looking at what was done last time upstream was integrated.
[02:38] <persia> Same basic idea.
[02:38] <bjsnider> or -sd if it's already in the archive somewhere
[02:38] <bjsnider> so if i do an -S -sa with th orig fie already containing the build scripts, it's fine?
[02:39] <bjsnider> i have to add a new changelog entry
[02:39] <bjsnider> i don't see how that would work
[02:39] <bjsnider> the diff would just change the build scripts?
[02:39] <bjsnider> instead of creating them?
[02:40] <persia> Right.
[02:40] <bjsnider> i see
[02:40] <persia> debhlper has an --ignore feature if you need to ignore some file provided by upstream.
[02:42] <funkyHat> Is there a proper format for the contents of debian/changelog?
[02:42] <funkyHat> Not sure what to put, or how
[02:42] <bjsnider> use dch -i
[02:42] <funkyHat> I used dch, yeah, just wondering what else I need to put
[02:43] <funkyHat> I'm putting (LP: #531681)
[02:43] <persia> funkyHat: That will parse as the correct syntax to close a bug.  Double check by reading your source.changes file when you build the source.
[02:54] <persia> duanedesign: Were you able to get the code?
[02:57] <funkyHat> Trying to run debuild but ubuntu one hasn't synced my gpg key -_-
[02:57] <persia> There should be no need to wait for keyring sync for debuild.  What error do you get?
[02:59] <funkyHat> gpg: skipped "Matt Wheeler<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[02:59] <funkyHat> gpg: /tmp/debsign.KA3BldE0/amule_2.2.6+debian0-7ubuntu1.dsc: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[03:02] <persia> funkyHat: The most common issue is that you have a comment in your identity in your GPG key.  Run `gpg --list-secret-keys`  If you have an entry in parentheses between "Matt Wheeler" and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>you need to include that in debian/changelog
[03:02] <funkyHat> persia: ~/.gnupg@ is empty
[03:04] <persia> Then you don't have a key available on that account.  This is entirely unrelated to any status on the keyservers.
[03:04] <funkyHat> Yes I know, the issue is with Ubuntu One
[03:05] <funkyHat> The lucid VM isn't collecting the contents of .gnupg that I put in my Ubuntu One folder
[03:06] <persia> You really don't want to put that there.
[03:07] <funkyHat> What's a better way to move stuff in and out of kvm VMs?
[03:07] <persia> Unless you have some reason to *know* that the cryptography used for that remote store is sufficient, you may have compromised your key.
[03:07] <persia> I use ssh.
[03:07] <persia> But I also don't worry about signing stuff in VMs.
[03:07] <persia> If I get a good result, I can always use debsign to sign it.
[03:08] <persia> So I usually use `debuild -S -us -uc`
[03:08] <duanedesign> persia: ok, looks like the upstream documentaion that was included was in .html format
[03:08] <persia> (I do the same thing in chroots, which I use more frequently than VMs)
[03:08] <persia> duanedesign: But no upstream manpages in 4.2?
[03:10] <duanedesign> duanedesign: not in the package. But the patch is the html files converted and then minor edits by hand.
[03:11] <persia> duanedesign: OK.  So since you've determined that you understand the issue, and can work on it, set the bug to "In Progress" and assign yourself.
[03:11] <persia> Then make the necessary changes in the source, etc.
[03:12] <persia> Check the upstream mailing list, and see if someone already submitted db4.2 manpages (which may differ from db4.3 or higher manpages).
[03:12] <persia> (this could save you some work).
[03:12] <persia> If they *do* differ, and upstream doesn't have any for 4.2 yet, please submit them.
[03:12] <persia> Once you have a working solution, add that to the linked Debian bug.
[03:13] <persia> Once that's done, you get to decide: if you think it's important that Ubuntu fix this, prepare a candidate for upload.  If you think it should be fixed in Debian or further upstream, mark the Ubuntu task wontfix with an explanation.
[03:13] <persia> Any questions?
[03:15] <duanedesign> the source i got from the oracle9upstream) contains the /doc directory with the .html documentation. The Debian and downstream does not
[03:15] <persia> Really?  So there's a new upstream tarball of db4.2 that isn't yet integrated into Debian and Ubuntu?
[03:17] <duanedesign> persia: i dont think its new. I think for some reason they just took that directory out. Is there a bias towards .html documentation
[03:18] <duanedesign> because the Ubuntu/Debian Read Me even references the missing /doc directory. Saying to see the documentation load docs/index.html into your web browser
[03:18] <duanedesign> guess that needs to be changed too :P
[03:18] <persia> duanedesign: There's a bias towards manpages.  There exists a framework for handling HTML docs, but most developers are neutral about it (use it when it's there,but don't create it when it's not).
[03:19] <persia> duanedesign: That makes it sound intentional.  I'd recommend wontfixing the bug, unless you want to argue with the Debian maintainer about it.
[03:19]  * persia checks a couple things
[03:20] <duanedesign> persia: they might of just moved the .html help pages. Ill search
[03:23] <funkyHat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/388017/ I'm getting an error with pbuilder that I don't understand
[03:24] <funkyHat> Oh I missed off the bit further up where it says that package is broken...
[03:25] <persia> funkyHat: So you understand now?
[03:25] <funkyHat> persia: sort of, I don't know why it's broken
[03:25] <funkyHat> Or how to fix it
[03:26] <funkyHat> As it's broken inside the pbuilder thing, not my actual system
[03:27] <funkyHat> http://pastebin.com/DrnqNGWG Here's the whole output, in case it's any use
[03:30] <funkyHat> Oh, I've worked it out. I need to configure pbuilder to use universe
[03:34] <persia> Good identification of the issue :)  Just take care to switch back to main-only if you are working on a package in main.
[03:34]  * persia frequently fails when dealing with main packages due to having enabled universe
[03:35] <funkyHat> Would it be worth it/possible creating separate base.tgz images for universe and main?
[03:36] <persia> Depends on how much you work in both areas.
[03:36] <persia> Some people do that.  Some people don't.
[03:36] <duanedesign> persia: ok,  db4.2-utils has no man page. Because there is a seperate package db4.2-doc. Its 9.8 MB of HTML pages, lol
[03:37] <duanedesign> so thats where they went
[03:37] <funkyHat> Well so far I've only submitted 5 debdiffs, and pretty sporadically, but I'm planning to do more as time allows ⢁). I'll hold the thought and perhaps do it if I find reconfiguring an issue
[03:41] <duanedesign>  there is a 4.3man page. Should be easy to make a 4.2 manpage by looking at the diff from the 4.2 ->4.3doc package
[03:42] <funkyHat> This thing is taking so long to build :/
[03:43] <funkyHat> Oh, VM. Duh.
[03:43] <persia> duanedesign:  Just make sure to check if there were changes in usage or options between the 4.2 utilities and the 4.3 utilities, and that those are accurately represented as changed in the 4.2 manpages.
[03:43] <duanedesign> persia: ok. Thank you for all your help and patience ;)
[03:44] <persia> duanedesign: Thanks for helping out with the patch review team.
[03:47] <funkyHat> Oh... I think I might have just wasted a bunch of time there with this merge...
[03:48] <funkyHat> It looks like there's actually no changes left (which I actually wrote in the changelog, but it didn't click), so we should just take the debian version
[03:48] <ScottK> That's the best kind.  It means it doesn't need someone to bother with merging it next time.
[03:49] <ScottK> Discovering that and asking for a sync is not a waste of time.
[03:49] <funkyHat> ScottK: Shall I change my merge bug to a sync request, or make a new bug?
[03:50] <ScottK> funkyHat: Just change it.
[03:50] <ekimmargni> If I'm interested in ubuntu getting a package of the gerrit code review tool for git, where should I start on that process?
[03:54] <funkyHat> ScottK: which team should I subscribe?
[03:54] <ScottK> Is the package in Main or Universe?
[03:54] <funkyHat> Universe
[03:55] <funkyHat> Ah is it ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[03:55] <ScottK> Yes
[03:55] <funkyHat> Thanks ⢁)
[03:56] <funkyHat> I updated merge-o-matic too
[04:00] <persia> ekimmargni: How much effort are you willing to put into creating and maintaining the package?
[04:01] <ekimmargni> persia: None. I've never packaged anything - that's totally beyond my capabilities.
[04:01] <funkyHat> If MoM hasn't encountered any problems with a merge are there any standard places I should check for issues, or is it enough to simply attempt to build?
[04:03] <persia> ekimmargni: OK.  Let me see if I can dig up the appropriate guidance docuemtnation.
[04:03] <ekimmargni> *nod* thanks :)
[04:06] <persia> ekimmargni: My apologies: I can't find quite the page I wanted.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages talks about a general overview.  The "Criteria" and "Requesting a new package for Ubuntu" sections are the ones in which you'll likely be ost interested.
[04:06] <funkyHat> Looks like debian-faq is another one to be synced
[04:06] <ekimmargni> persia: thanks, I'll take a look
[05:00] <funkyHat> I just uploaded debdiffs to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-faq/+bug/531711 - it's a really straightforward merge
[05:06] <persia> funkyHat: Cool.  And you've subscribed the sponsors.  This is a quiet time of day, LP was recently down, and there's about 15 other items in the queue right now, but it ought get hit sometime soon.
[05:19] <wrapster> dpkg -l lists out a particular pkg as installed but if i check for the same pkg in /var/cache/apt/archives I cannot find that pkg.. how so
[05:20] <persia> wrapster: There's no requirement that /var/cache/apt/archives includes any installed package.  It starts out empty on a new install, for instance.
[05:20] <wrapster> ok.
[05:21] <lifeless> the relationship is even weaker
[05:21] <lifeless> *apt* is a tool for downloading and installing packages
[05:21] <lifeless> the cache has no correspondence to installed or uninstalled packages; its just things that apt has been asked to download, and hasn't deleted yet.
[05:22] <persia> Oh right.  I forgot that apt will happily cache stuff without installing it.
[05:22] <lifeless> update-manager can be configured to download but not install security fixes, as an example o f that
[05:23] <lifeless> or if you start an install and hit cancel after some things download they stay in the cache.
[05:23] <persia> Right.
[05:33] <artfwo> is it okay to insert line breaks in debian/control fields like Build-Depends?
[05:34] <lifeless> yes, if continued properly; see policy for the format specification
[05:49] <micahg> an enum in a .h file that's included should be accessable in a function, right?
[05:50] <micahg> nm...
[06:07] <jayvee> G'day — I've had a libvirt bug sitting around a while, and I have a debdiff attached. I was wondering how I could help move it forward, or get the ball rolling.
[06:08] <jayvee> I've been told I need to get it into a sponsorship queue of some kind, but not sure how to go about it.
[06:14] <persia> jayvee: What's the bug number?
[06:14] <jayvee> persia: https://launchpad.net/bugs/528934
[06:16] <jayvee> My debdiff bumps the version number from ubuntu8 to ubuntu9. But 13 hours ago, an update to libvirt also bumped the version to ubuntu9. Would it be useful for me to re-do my debdiff with ubuntu10 instead, or is that not a problem?
[06:16] <persia> I'm not sure why zul didn't just upload it Monday, really.
[06:16] <persia> You could subscribe the ~ubuntu-main-sponsors team to add it to a list of stuff to get uploaded.
[06:16]  * persia will do that now
[06:17] <persia> But I'd expect the server team to just upload it.
[06:17] <jayvee> heh
[06:17] <persia> Have you also submitted the bug to upstream?
[06:17] <jayvee> Yep.
[06:17] <jayvee> But obviously that won't get into Lucid in time.
[06:17] <lifeless> upstream are a little insane though
[06:17] <jayvee> Which is why I'm also submitting it here.
[06:18] <persia> !sponsorship
[06:18] <persia> !sponsor
[06:18] <persia> Grr.
[06:19] <persia> So https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess outlines the process.
[06:19] <persia> This is likely to change soon as the ~ubuntu-main-sponsors and ~ubuntu-universe-sponsors teams are merged (ideally to make it simpler)
[06:20] <persia> But unfortunately the main sponsors seem not to get to things quickly.
[06:20] <persia> Since zul has an interest in this bug (based on his triaging it on Monday), you might ask him if it needs something else to be uploaded.
[06:20] <persia> You might also check with the folk in #ubuntu-server as they tend to care for libvirt and friends.
[06:21] <jayvee> okay
[06:21] <jayvee> is pinging zul in here enough to grab his attention?
[06:22] <persia> Not at this time of day (it's 1:22 there), but when he's awake yes.
[06:22] <persia> But I'd really recommend trying the ping in #ubuntu-server, as more folk there have an interest in libvirt, so someone else might also grab it.
[06:23] <jayvee> Do you think I should re-do the debdiff with the new version number, or is there not much point?
[06:26] <jayvee> persia: oh cool, all I have to do to get it magically in the sponsorship queue is add it to ~ubuntu-{main,universe}-sponsors
[06:26] <jayvee> now I get it
[06:26] <persia> jayvee: I think it's a good idea to update the debdiff if it needs updating.  In my view, when you submit a debdiff, you *are* an Ubuntu Developer, and should be submitting something that would create precisely what any developer would upload.
[06:27] <jayvee> lol, http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ is serving utf-8 text with an iso-8859-1 content-type header
[06:27] <persia> That said, if it's trivial, most sponsors will just fix it (but it's more work for the sponsor, and some folk are picky).
[06:27] <jayvee> okay, I'll update it right now
[06:27] <persia> jayvee: Please file a bug against the sponsoring overview :)
[06:27] <jayvee> haha
[06:27] <jayvee> Content-Type: text/html
[06:28] <persia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sponsoring/+filebug
[06:28] <jayvee> actually they don't specify any encoding
[06:28] <persia> Oh, then it's a bug in your browser that it doesn't default to UTF8 :p
[06:29] <jayvee> every browser I know of out there defaults to iso-8859-1
[06:29] <jayvee> you can change it in the settings, but that only fixes it for one person
[06:29] <jayvee> I do agree though — utf-8 should be the default everywhere.
[06:29] <lifeless> jayvee: on ubuntu ff defaults to your locale
[06:30] <lifeless> jayvee: and our locales default to utf8
[06:30] <persia> Which is how we solved the bug.  Other environments may need other ways to solve it.
[06:30] <jayvee> lifeless: I don't know any of the technicalities, but I would have to disagree based on past experience
[06:30] <persia> For instance, in environments where the locales default to UCS-2, it makes sense to hack the browsers to default to UTF8, because almost nobody sends UCS-2 over the wire.
[06:38] <jayvee> Well launchpad.net explicitly defines utf-8, and given that the page scrapes launchpad.net directly, it should do whatever launchpad.net does. ;)
[06:40] <persia> The page should explicitly report it's charset anyway.  There's two bugs: 1) the page not giving enough information to read it, and 2) the browser having non-ideal defaults.
[06:40] <persia> It's not precisely scraping LP, but using the LP API to collect details.
[06:40]  * jayvee is testing the shiny new debdiff in pbuilder
[06:54] <jayvee> well, shiny new debdiff attached to bug
[06:54] <persia> Well, now comes the frustrating bit: waiting for someone to upload it.
[06:55] <jayvee> yeah :(
[06:55] <persia> Check with Zul in 9-10 hours in #ubuntu-server (or maybe something more like 18 if you're in a timezone that makes that more convenient)
[06:57] <jayvee> well either I'll ping him at like
[06:57] <jayvee> 2 AM
[06:57] <jayvee> or when I get up tomorrow morning :)
[06:58] <persia> That's about what I figured :)
[07:01] <jayvee> well thanks for the pointers anyway
[07:01] <jayvee> I learnt a lot just now.
[07:01] <jayvee> persia++
[07:02] <persia> jayvee: Thanks for helping fix stuff, and stopping by to ask questions.  The folk here and the folk in #ubuntu-server are both likely to be happy to help you with just about anything if you get stuck again.
[07:03] <jayvee> hopefully one day when I get enough of these patches in, I can apply to become an ubuntu member
[07:29] <alkisg> I'm trying to make a *simple* script and it's failing because "$plugin" is empty inside the `for` loop (i.e. line #8) - could anyone see why? http://alkisg.pastebin.com/3q22Sxd8
[07:29] <alkisg> for plugin in file1 file2; do echo $plugin <== empty there :-/
[07:31] <alkisg> Ugh sorry I just saw it
[07:31] <alkisg> I need to escape $ in \$plugin
[07:31] <persia> hrm?
[07:31] <persia> where?
[07:32] <persia> What sort of script is this?  shell?
[07:33] <alkisg> persia: yeah it's a shell script, but nm, I found the solution, I needed to escape \$plugin
[07:33] <alkisg> Silly me
[07:33] <persia> Where?
[07:33] <alkisg> I gave a pastebin link just above
[07:33] <persia> Yes, I'm looking at it.
[07:33] <persia> I'm just not seeing what you needed to escape, and hoping to learn.
[07:33] <alkisg> Ah, well, the problem was this:
[07:34] <alkisg> $plugin was evaluated while writing to >/tmp/script
[07:34] <alkisg> So it was empty
[07:34] <alkisg> I should escape it so that cat >/tmp/script <<EOF doesn't evaluate it
[07:34] <alkisg> ..so that it gets evaluated later on, at sudo sh /tmp/script...
[07:35] <alkisg> persia: if you run the script and then `cat /tmp/script`, you'll see what I mean...
[07:40] <alkisg> Well apostrophes make it more readable than <<EOF and escaping, so: http://alkisg.pastebin.com/TidxHEuR
[07:40] <persia> alkisg: Heh.  I understand now.  I completely ignored that this was a here-file.  Yes, you need to escape everything :)
[07:40] <persia> Why are you doing this as a here file, rather than directly in the script?
[07:40] <alkisg> persia: yup, it took me some minutes to see it, tricky...
[07:41] <alkisg> persia: I want to put it in a web page for people to copy/paste it directly on the terminal, and sudo makes it tricky, as it kills the clipboard contents
[07:41] <alkisg> So I need to put "sudo" at the end...
[07:42] <persia> I'm generally against putting scripts on web pages.  What problem are you trying to solve?
[07:42] <alkisg> The new beta flash player finally allows for greek chars
[07:42] <alkisg> So I need to provide for an easy way for teachers to upgrade it
[07:43] <alkisg> "go to the adobe site, download the tar.gz, extract to /tmp, and run the script"
[07:43] <persia> And this isn't better achieved by providing updated packages?
[07:43] <alkisg> It's beta, so I'm not sure that the download location will stay there
[07:43] <persia> Just make a custom flashplugin-installer that will be perceived as an upgrade that pulls the beta.
[07:44] <alkisg> I.e. `wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_1_p3_linux_022310.tar.gz` will fail when they get the new beta out
[07:44] <persia> Then update the package.
[07:44] <alkisg> What package?
[07:45] <alkisg> doesn't flashplugin-installer download it on the fly from the adobe site?
[07:45] <persia> Yeah.
[07:45] <alkisg> So, for betas this can't work, since the link isn't stable...
[07:45] <persia> And anytime you want it to download from a different place, or use a different checksum, you have to update the pacakge.
[07:45] <alkisg> Ugh, I wouldn't want to do that each day :D I really prefer to leave some instructions for them to follow :)
[07:45] <persia> What I'm suggesting is that you make a special beta version to distribute temporarily, and when it comes out, encourage people to use the regular version (which would be updated in the archives).
[07:46] <alkisg> I'd need to update the beta package every week or so
[07:46] <persia> It shouldn't change every day.
[07:46] <alkisg> E.g. the tar.gz above is "022310" - 10 days ago...
[07:46] <persia> Yeah, that's why there's no flashplugin-beta-installer :)  It's a lot of work.
[07:47] <alkisg> Yup, so in this particular case, putting scripts on a web site is an acceptable way to do it for me :)
[07:47] <persia> But if you move package-provided files around manually, you end up with a system that can't be reproduced from packages.  You may also cause issues with upgrades.  A security upgrade could break your updates, etc.
[07:47] <persia> There are just too many things that can go wrong, and then you have to deal with annoyed users who followed your instrutions.
[07:48] <alkisg> Sure, it's something temporary which I do hope to see resolved in Lucid (i.e. a non-beta 10.1 flash)
[07:48] <persia> Well, OK.  I just think it's 1) poor service for users and 2) encourages poor practices in users/
[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <alkisg> persia: I completely understand what you're saying, it's just a matter of weighting available solutions & resources. Adobe offers a manual installation of 10.1 beta for now, and I don't have the time to package & keep packaging it, so the users will need to do it the adobe way. I can only give them some instructions on how to do it, I can't help them more.... sure, it's not good practice and it may break on updates, I'll warn them about that. Than
[07:52] <zooko> Folks, this bug is urgent and the fellow who I thought would do it hasn't responded: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tahoe-lafs/+bug/529350
[07:52] <persia> OK.  I just argue against what I consider poor practice when I see it.  If you understand why I think it's poor practice, and are willing to accept the costs, then go ahead.
[07:52] <zooko> It is urgent because it is to upgrade a version of a package for Lucid
[07:54] <persia> rockstar: Do you need a hand with that, or are you expecting to get to it soon?
[07:58] <jayvee> zooko: you're the guy that helped me test Wesnoth for OLPC :-)
[07:59] <zooko> jayvee: :-)
[07:59] <zooko> Me and my son Irby.
[07:59] <persia> zooko: I seem to remember you confirming that it was 100% bugfix, so it's not incredibly urgent.  Let's see if rockstar can get to it (or at least tell us that he needs help) in the next day or two.
[07:59] <persia> zooko: Just to confirm, rockstar *did* tell you to assign him, right?
[08:00] <duanedesign> persia: if i add the manpages to the Debian directory, i then need to put install 'instrucions' in the debian/rules folder?
[08:01] <persia> duanedesign: debian/rules isn't a folder :)
[08:02] <persia> duanedesign: And you probably want debian/db4.2-doc.manpages (read `man dh_installman`)
[08:06] <duanedesign> persia: ha ha. d'oh
[08:12] <zooko> persia: yes it is 100% bugfix.
[08:13] <zooko> Just to re-iterate, here is the NEWS file: http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/NEWS
[08:13] <zooko> I *think* rockstar agreed to do it, but he didn't actually say "And please assign that launchpad ticket to me". :-)
[08:13] <persia> zooko: Cool.  That means we aren't under quite as much pressume (no freeze exception required).
[08:14] <persia> Oh, assigning people when they didn't explicitly ask for assignment and you're not in charge of what they do (e.g. being their boss) is poor form.
[08:15] <zooko> Okay.
[08:15] <persia> But that makes it mostly up for grabs.
[08:15] <persia> jayvee: Feel like processing an update?
[08:15] <zooko> I'm familiar with a different work flow where assigning people to a ticket is more like a suggestion and them "accepting" the ticket is the committing thing.
[08:15] <zooko> But now I know.
[08:15] <persia> We don't have any accept feature, so we double-load assignment.  We use subscription for the suggestions.
[08:16] <persia> No worries.
[08:16] <jayvee> persia: what sort of update?
[08:16] <jayvee> zooko's update?
[08:17] <persia> Indeed.  Apparently rockstar didn't actually commit to it, and so the assignment was based on different semantics than those we usually use.
[08:18] <jayvee> so that would involve basically downloading the new source, moving debian/ across, and making sure it all compiles?
[08:19] <persia> And updating debian/ if necessary, and adding a changelog entry describing what you've done, yes.
[08:19] <jayvee> sure
[08:19] <jayvee> I'll have a bash
[08:19] <zooko> Cool!
[08:19] <zooko> Thanks!
[08:20] <persia> zooko: Please stick around and help jayvee with any tests, etc. to make sure that the update works properly in lucid.
[08:20] <jayvee> I'm running karmic myself, but I can test in chroots, pbuilder-dist, etc.
[08:20] <zooko> I will try! However, I might fall asleep in my chair and if m head rests on the keyboard and sends a stream of characters, you'll know what happened.
[08:21] <jayvee> zooko, what is the time there?
[08:22] <zooko> 0:21
[08:29] <zooko> jayvee: if you need help or any questions answered about Tahoe-LAFS, please join the #tahoe-lafs channel.
[08:29] <zooko> I have to fall asleep now.
[08:29] <jayvee> sure, no problem
[08:30] <persia> zooko: There are people likely to be awake in that channel for more hours?
[08:31] <zooko> persia: not sure.
[08:34] <rawang> I want a newer package which is built in lucid, how can i make it depends on the package in lucid while i'm build karmic package?
[08:34] <persia> rawang: Could you give a little more detail?
[08:35] <rawang> persia, sorry for confusing. I need at-spi >= 1.29, and it's in lucid, but it's 1.28 in karmic
[08:36] <rawang> but i need to build my package for karmic
[08:36] <persia> rawang: Is the at-spi >= 1.29 a dependency or a build-dependency?
[08:36] <rawang> persia, i think both
[08:37] <Rhonda> rawang: Use a chroot environment like pbuilder or cowbuilder for that.
[08:37] <rawang> Rhonda, yes, but i want to publish it on PPA
[08:37] <Rhonda> So? :)
[08:37] <rawang> so i have to handle with the dependency :)
[08:38] <RainCT> rawang: I guess you can backport at-spi too then
[08:38] <Rhonda> I still don't understand why a lucid chroot won't help you then?
[08:38] <persia> rawang: Well, if it's a build-dependency, go read the upstream changelog carefully.  It may not be possible to build against an earlier version.
[08:38] <persia> Rhonda: backport targeting karmic
[08:38] <rawang> karmic only provides at-spi = 1.28, but at-spi 1.29 that i want is in lucid
[08:38] <Rhonda> persia: Ah, the "how can i make it depends on the package in lucid" confused me seriously.
[08:39] <rawang> Rhonda, i have to build against for  karmic
[08:39] <Rhonda> rawang: Change that dependency in the source. If it's generated automatically it should get adjusted the same too.
[08:39] <Rhonda> If it's though in the source as hard depends there probably is a reason behind it.
[08:39] <Rhonda> So don't change it in the source if you don't know the impact.
[08:40] <rawang> ok, let me explain more clearly,
[08:42] <rawang> i want to build my package for karmic, so i have this "blah (blah) karmic; urgency-low" in changelog, and have dependency like "at-spi (>= 1.29.0)" in control file. but apparently, karmic don't have at-spi >=1.29, but it's in lucid repository.
[08:43] <rawang> karmic repository on ubuntu PPA don't have at-spi >=1.29, but it's in lucid repository.
[08:43] <persia> rawang: Right.  So you need to find out *why* it requires >= 1.29.0 of at-spi.
[08:43] <Rhonda> rawang: Then it's like I said, yes. Find out why it has >=1.29 in it and what would break if you lower that to 1.28
[08:43] <rawang> persia, the package source code depends on the newer at-spi :)
[08:43] <persia> And either patch the source to not need that, or first backport that.  If at-spi >= 1.29 is not ABI compatible with at-spi << 1.29 then you have to also backport *all* at-spi rdepends.
[08:44] <Rhonda> Then you would need to backport at-spi too.
[08:45] <rawang> persia, Rhonda ahhhh, i see, i got your ideas
[08:45] <rawang> thanks :)
[08:46] <rawang> so karmic won't like to have a big number version increased, right?
[08:46] <rawang> it just want to its packages stable
[08:47] <persia> rawang: Such a change will not happen in the 9.10 release.  What you do in some third-party repository is up to you.
[08:48] <rawang> k, i understand :D
[09:23] <jayvee> persia: well I reckon it's working
[09:23] <jayvee> just attempting to get ubuntu-vm-builder to build a lucid VM for me to test in
[09:23] <persia> jayvee: Cool!
[09:23] <jayvee> zooko will be happy
[09:24] <jayvee> uploaded it to my ppa for him to grab
[09:25] <persia> jayvee: If you're confident it works, attach the diff.gz to the bug and subscribe the correct sponsors queue.
[09:25] <persia> May as well just dunk it in lucid if it's in good shape and get wider testing.
[09:25] <jayvee> persia: Just one question though: the original tarball used the wrong initial directory, allmydata-tahoe-1.6.1, instead of tahoe-lafs-1.6.1. Does that mean I also have to upload a new .orig.tar.gz?
[09:26] <jayvee> And if so, is it okay to attach the .orig.tar.gz to the launchpad bug report?
[09:27] <directhex> the dir name in the orig tarball doesn't matter
[09:28] <jayvee> directhex: that's good — how does that work?
[09:28] <Laney> --strip-components=1
[09:28] <jayvee> mkdir $package-$version && tar -xvf $orig --strip-components=1?
[09:28] <jayvee> oops, insert a "cd $package-$version" in there
[09:29] <directhex> something like that. i don't look at dpkg-source guts
[09:29] <jayvee> aha
[09:29] <jayvee> just have to rename the tarball, I spose
[09:29] <Laney> yes
[09:29] <persia> jayvee: You're going to want to upload a new orig.tar.gz for the new upstream.  What name and initial directory name upstream used is unimportant.
[09:29] <jayvee> kewl
[09:29] <jayvee> persia: looks like I can use the untouched upstream one though
[09:30] <persia> Yeah, you just need to rename it.
[09:30] <jayvee> what's interesting is that the 1.6.0 orig.tar.gz doesn't match upstream's 1.6.0 tar.gz
[09:30] <persia> zooko takes care to make sure their tarballs work with us well.
[09:30] <jayvee> so evidently<EMAIL_ADDRESS>didn't know about that
[09:30] <persia> How don't they match?
[09:30] <jayvee> the initial directory is changed :)
[09:30] <persia> And nothing else?
[09:30] <persia> No removals or anything?
[09:31] <jayvee> don't think so, let me check
[09:31] <jayvee> nope
[09:31] <jayvee> no difference
[09:31] <jayvee> diff -ur says no difference — only the inital directories are different
[09:32] <jayvee> yeah, you're right — can't believe I didn't test it before
[09:32] <jayvee> debuild -S works perfectly with the upstream tar.gz
[09:33] <jayvee> cool
[09:33] <jayvee> so I'll just paste a URL to it in the bug report
[09:33] <jayvee> in the meantime, ubuntu-vm-builder is crashing as usual
[09:33] <jayvee> every single time I use it, it crashes for some reason or another — buggiest piece of software I have ever used
[09:34] <jayvee> time for a lucid netinstall instead, methinks
[09:41] <persia> jayvee: Yeah, that repack is just a case of undereducated developer and insufficiently careful sponsor.  We do that sometimes, although we try to avoid it.  Thanks for catching it and asking for the update.
[09:46] <jayvee> heh
[09:46] <jayvee> well you learn something new every day
[09:50] <ara> to get a list of installed packages and their versions, is `dpkg -l | grep ^ii` correct?
[09:50] <jayvee> I use `dpkg --get-selections`
[09:50] <ara> jayvee, but that does not give versions, does it?
[09:51] <jayvee> no, you're right
[09:51] <jayvee> your solution isn't bad at all — use it :)
[09:52] <persia> ara: In most cases you can drop the grep.  Anything where that grep doesn't matched has leftover config files.
[09:52] <persia> (so you did install it, and didn't completely purge it)
[09:53] <ara> persia, jayvee: thanks
[09:54] <POX> ara: aptitude search -F "%p %V" ~i
[09:56] <POX> probably with --disable-columns
[10:11] <jetienne_> q. anybody familiar with minidinstall ? can i just copy the .deb in mini-dinstall incoming if i dont have the changes and all ?
[10:56] <Laney> james_w: Here's the list again http://dpaste.com/167585/
[10:56] <Laney> I'll close the xmonad-contrib sync bug
[10:57] <Laney> oh, no it already got done
[10:57] <james_w> woop
[10:57] <Laney> please leave that one out then
[10:57] <james_w> ok
[10:58] <Laney> StevenK: you forgot to set the bug to fix released ;)
[10:58] <jetienne_> DinstallException: 'Unknown distribution "karmic" in "/home/jerome/public_html/ubuntu/mini-dinstall/incoming/media-services_1.00_i386.changes"'
[10:59] <jetienne_> this is from a mini-dinstall... any idea why he think karmic is not a distribution ?
[10:59] <nigelb> I want to request a sync of a package from debian, but before that I'd like to build and test it.  I got the package from debian.  Anything to change other than the maintainers?
[11:01] <Laney> don't change anything to do a sync
[11:02] <geser> nigelb: how to you want to build the package? pbuilder or PPA?
[11:02] <nigelb> pbuilder
[11:02] <nigelb> and then tell it to use the current X
[11:02] <geser> then just take the unmodified Debian package and throw it at your pbuilder
[11:03] <nigelb> oh, now why didn't I think of that one :o
[11:03] <geser> pbuilder doesn't care about distribution names in debian/changelog or the Maintainer field
[11:04] <nigelb> only I have to satisfy deps before actually doing the install. right?
[11:04] <geser> right
[11:06] <jetienne_> nobody on my "why minidinstall think karmic is no distro" question ?
[11:08] <geser> jetienne_: I don't use mini-dinstall, so I can't help you. Try looking at the configuration if there's a list of acceptable release names (and if this doesn't help look at the code)
[11:10] <jetienne_> media-services (1.00) karmic; urgency=low !<- this is a line from changelogs ... is this correct ? (apparently karmic is picked up from here)
[11:10] <jetienne_> geser: ok looking
[11:10] <nigelb> dont worry about changelog
[11:10] <nigelb> thats not where you should be looking
[11:11] <geser> in this case it might matter as mini-dinstall is an archive software
[11:12] <nigelb> oh
[11:13] <jetienne_> geser: nigelb: thanks it got fixed
[11:13] <jetienne_> apparently the repository names in mini-dinstall must be the same as package distribution
[12:49] <jayvee> fcuk112: your username is a little edgy
[13:28] <nigelb> bdrung_: built and tested epiphany-extensions-more, works beautifully :)
[13:36] <bdrung_> nigelb: great
[13:36] <nigelb> I'm changing that bug to ffe request
[13:36] <nigelb> just a doubt though, the changelog diff means, I get upstream changelog and current ubuntu changelog and run a diff on it?
[13:37] <bdrung_> nigelb: i will unsubscribe u-u-s, please resubscribe once the FFe is granted
[13:37] <nigelb> will do
[13:37] <nigelb> bug 529835
[13:37] <nigelb> (in case you have to hunt for it )
[13:38] <bdrung_> nigelb: yes, the diff between current upstream changelog of the debian package -> upstream changelog from to debian package
[13:39] <nigelb> thank you, I'll do that in a minute
[13:45] <nigelb> where does the logfile from --logfile option of pbuilder get saved?
[13:47] <Rhonda> nigelb: Where you specify. :)
[13:47] <persia> What's the default?
[13:47] <nigelb> oh no, I just specified the file name
[13:47] <Rhonda> There's no default for --logfile because it requires an argument.
[13:48] <Rhonda> But I would expect relative paths to go from the results directory.
[13:48] <Rhonda> Likewise with where --pkgname-logfile is put into, /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[13:48]  * persia hugs sbuild harder for doing sensible things with logs by default
[13:49] <nigelb> its not there in /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[13:49] <Rhonda> persia: I consider putting the logfile into the result directory to be very sensible, but then that might be just me.
[13:49] <nigelb> ugh, I have to build again, for a log file.  still better than the floundering with gmake that persia helped me with
[13:49] <Rhonda> nigelb: Use --pkgname-logfile, that's quite convenient.
[13:50] <nigelb> it gets saved in the results folder
[13:50] <persia> Rhonda: That's not bad.  sbuild puts all my logs in a logfile hierarchy or mails them to me (if I give it my email address).
[13:50] <nigelb> ?
[13:50] <persia> (but most excitingly, I don't have to add any parameters, or think about it)
[13:51] <nigelb> Rhonda: wasn't it you who wanted help with irssi bugs? ;)
[13:51] <Rhonda> nigelb: Yes, the --pkgname-logfile gets saved in the result directory.
[13:51] <Rhonda> Always!
[13:51] <nigelb> thats kinda cool.
[13:51] <nigelb> I can deal with Lp bugs :
[13:51] <nigelb> :)
[13:52] <Rhonda> Thanks for the offer. :)
[13:52] <nigelb> rhythmbox is getting saner by day now ;)
[13:53] <nigelb> Rhonda: only 6 bugs? wow, thats nice ;)
[13:53] <Rhonda> I did do what I could.
[13:53] <Rhonda> At least the obvious parts are gone - sorry. :)
[13:55] <toabctl> how can i install the new ubuntu light theme? (i use lucid devel)
[13:55] <nigelb>  --pkgname-logfile needs an arugment?
[13:56] <nigelb> because I dont find the log anywhere
[13:56] <c_korn> toabctl: this question is more approriate in #ubuntu+1
[14:08] <Rhonda> nigelb: No, it doesn't. Like said, it gets stored into the /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ directory.
[14:09] <Rhonda> nigelb: <sourcepackage>_<version>_<architecture>.build should be the name.
[14:09] <nigelb> Rhonda: not there for me.  so I deleted everything from that folder and tried building again
[14:09] <nigelb> (well, the build is still going on)
[14:14] <Rhonda> nigelb: You didn't do the rm after you started the build, just in case?
[14:14] <nigelb> it was on the same terminal, so I started the build after the deletion
[14:23] <nigelb> I only see 4 files after the build is over: a deb, a tar, a dsc, and changes
[14:51] <dholbach> "Running a Packaging Jam" session in 9 minutes in #ubuntu-locoteams
[14:56] <persia> Glah!  That reminds me that I completely failed to run a session today.  Handy nobody showed up for it.
[14:57] <nigelb> persia: when was your session?
[14:58] <persia> Was supposed to be at 6:00 UTC.
[14:58] <nigelb> persia: you could have told me to advertise, I could have spammed identica/twitter ;)
[14:58] <persia> nigelb: I'm glad I didn't, given that I remembered about it about 8 hours before it started and 8 hours after it ended, and not a moment between.
[14:59] <nigelb> persia: haha.
[16:00] <gnomefreak> is there someone dedicated to mplayer?
[16:00] <gnomefreak> all i get is code devs and debain* devs
[16:05] <gnomefreak> siretart: do you have a minute about a changelog entry you have for mplayer
[17:24] <dbell> Hey, I'm wondering if I could get some advise about packaging my python game. I've tried following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python and managed to build a deb. However, since I'm new to python I've not had any experience in creating setup.py so I'm having problems with being able to run my program. Anyone able to give me some pointers on setting up my setup.py so that I'm able to build a deb and be able to r
[17:24] <dbell> un and distribute my game?
[17:40] <vorian> dbell: it might help to look at some other python apps, chm2pdf for example
[17:44] <vorian> I have a feeling motu-release has changed ...
[17:45] <vorian> what is different than the past cycles?
[17:54] <ScottK> vorian: No more motu-release.  Now it's just ubuntu-release in one team.
[17:57] <vorian> ScottK: so as for the freeze approval, any motu/core can approve?
[17:57] <vorian> I know that was being discussed last time around
[17:57] <ScottK> vorian: No, it's ubuntu-release team now instead of motu-release, but the motu-release members who were active at the time are in ubuntu-release.
[17:57] <ScottK> So other than you subscribe a different team, not much has changed.
[17:57] <ScottK> We did get rid of the two ack's rule.
[17:58] <vorian> okie dokie
[17:58] <ScottK> That's the biggest change.
[17:59] <vorian> ok
[18:18] <christoph_debian> hmmm I'm quite sure I sent out a cl-irc sync request but can't find it anywhere ... shall I re-request?
[18:19]  * persia hunts
[18:21] <persia> Please do.  It appears to have found a grue.
[18:24] <christoph_debian> Sync request mailed.
[18:24] <christoph_debian> that one »just« fixes an rc bug
[19:07] <zooko> Good morning! (UTC-8)
[19:11] <iulian> Hi.
[19:11] <zooko> How are you today iulian?
[19:13] <iulian> zooko: I'm about to go to bed.
[19:13]  * iulian yawns.
[19:13] <iulian> zooko: You?
[19:50] <bjsnider> siretart, so you intend for ffmpeg 0.5.1 to be the version that goes into lucid?
[19:56] <sebner> bjsnider: it's already in
[19:58] <bjsnider> yes but lucid isn't officially released yet
[22:14] <Philip5> hi guys! anyone know of a good pbuilder hook to use with sun java to accept the license agreement during build? and at the same time how would I build with sun java on launchpad without the hook?
[22:27] <geser> with debconf preset
[22:27] <geser> I know that LP had this set in the past, don't know if it still the case
[22:28] <geser> doesn't the app work with openjdk and really needs sun jdk?
[22:49] <lifeless> Philip5: there is a ebconf setting
[22:49] <lifeless> Philip5: its documented in the wiki, under java
[23:03] <Philip5> lifeless: thanks... i'll have a read then
[23:07] <debfx> siretart: a new keepassx release is ready, orig tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/keepassx/keepassx-0.4.2.tar.gz


[00:32] <humphreybc> jcastro: Traumatized much?
[07:10] <didrocks> good morning
[08:02] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:04] <MacSlow> good morning
[10:19] <coz_>   good day all
[11:40] <elleuca> hi, may I draw attention in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/747149
[14:05] <zniavre> good afternoon
[14:06] <zniavre> just updated unity today i got question: how to disable shadow on the top panel please ?
[14:08] <zniavre> it looks like it's not supported by ccsm
[14:34] <kenvandine> njpatel, latest gwibber lens lp:gwibber/unity-lens-gwibber
[14:35] <njpatel> sweet
[14:35] <kenvandine> lots of improvements since my +junk branch
[14:35]  * njpatel installs
[14:35] <kenvandine> njpatel, on thing that is bugging me... when i don't select a section from the quicklist it doesn't actually refresh the data
[14:35] <kenvandine> i have to either change the section or add a search
[14:36] <kenvandine> is there another signal i can use to refresh when opened?
[14:36] <njpatel> kenvandine, SetActive (true) is called before you open
[14:36] <njpatel> and SetActive (false) when your closed
[14:36] <davidcalle> kenvandine, looking good!
[14:37] <kenvandine> njpatel, is there a signal associated?
[14:37] <kenvandine> notify::active-section
[14:37] <kenvandine> ?
[14:37] <njpatel> kenvandine, should be, it's probably a property
[14:37] <njpatel> that will tell you when the section changes, yes
[14:38]  * kenvandine looks for the docs :)
[14:38] <njpatel> but there is probably a "active" property that you and do notify with too
[14:38] <kenvandine> that was simplea
[14:38] <kenvandine> active
[14:38] <kenvandine> yeah, found it on d.u.c :)
[14:40] <njpatel> kenvandine, amazing
[14:40] <njpatel> kenvandine, seriously
[14:40] <njpatel> being able to search everything like that is awesome
[14:40] <kenvandine> indeed
[14:40] <kenvandine> and look at the images section
[14:40] <kenvandine> instead of displaying the avatars, it is a thumb of the image
[14:40] <njpatel> ah, I need to make the renderer work in global search!
[14:40] <kenvandine> but... notice the selection there... it is off a bit
[14:41] <kenvandine> mouse over a image in the images section
[14:41] <kenvandine> you'll see what i mean
[14:42] <njpatel> i'm still getting the avatars
[14:42] <kenvandine> under images?
[14:42] <kenvandine> change sections :)
[14:42] <njpatel> yeah
[14:42] <kenvandine> it'll force a refresh
[14:43] <njpatel> still getting only avatars
[14:43] <kenvandine> njpatel, i was thinking about using the fileinfo renderer for the images, but then i can't include any text
[14:43] <kenvandine> weird
[14:43] <kenvandine> are you sure?
[14:43] <kenvandine> they may look like avatars :)
[14:44] <njpatel> they are avatars! :)
[14:44] <njpatel> recent ones too
[14:44] <kenvandine> ok...
[14:44] <kenvandine> weird
[14:44] <njpatel> i.e. for this https://twitter.com/#!/d0od/statuses/53793954692472832
[14:44] <kenvandine> maybe restart unity :)
[14:44] <njpatel> I see his avatar and the text
[14:44] <njpatel> i just did, but I can try again in a bit (just making a fix
[14:44] <kenvandine> one sec
[14:45] <njpatel> did you push?
[14:45] <njpatel> :)
[14:46] <kenvandine> njpatel, yup
[14:46] <kenvandine> i just pushed the change that does a update on active
[14:46] <kenvandine> pull again
[14:46] <kenvandine> you should have revision 4
[14:47]  * spikeb upgraded his main desktop to the beta yesterday
[14:47]  * njpatel pulls
[14:47] <kenvandine> spikeb, cool
[14:47] <spikeb> bout time i got to use unity full time :)
[14:48] <kenvandine> :)
[14:49] <kenvandine> njpatel, any better?
[14:50] <njpatel> kenvandine, so "images" shows me normal renderer but with avatars :)
[14:50] <kenvandine> wtf
[14:50] <kenvandine> rev 4?
[14:51] <njpatel> yep, it works fine, but i don't get images at all, just the authors avatar
[14:51] <kenvandine> and does the images section use the default renderer in the code you have?
[14:51] <njpatel> yep
[14:51] <njpatel> which makes sense
[14:51] <kenvandine> makes no sense...
[14:51] <kenvandine> my code doesn't use that renderer!
[14:51] <njpatel> oh, fuck sticks
[14:51] <njpatel> guess who was pulling from the wrong branch?
[14:52] <kenvandine> wrong branch?
[14:52] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:52] <njpatel> urgh
[14:52] <njpatel> sorry dude
[14:52] <kenvandine> lots of big improvements in the real branch :)
[14:54] <njpatel> kenvandine, awesome, I see the images now and the bug :)
[14:54] <kenvandine> nice :)
[14:54] <kenvandine> i think it is just you expect the image to be square
[14:55] <njpatel> yeah, that's one of the bugs, the other is that the title shouldn't be allowed to go to two lines
[14:55] <njpatel> that messes up the  vertical size
[14:56] <njpatel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/747337
[15:01] <kenvandine> njpatel, now i am itching to make gwibber be able to load those when  activated
[15:01] <kenvandine> but i'll resist until we get the new client :)
[15:02] <kenvandine> the unity api is very nice... we just need to get the docs complete :)
[15:04] <davidcalle> njpatel, is it possible to define the ordering of places in global search?
[15:04] <njpatel> davidcalle, not as yet, there is some ordering that I need to add to make apps the first place
[15:04] <njpatel> but after that it's a bit of a free-for-all
[15:04] <davidcalle> njpatel, ok
[15:04] <njpatel> which sucks :(
[15:04] <njpatel> davidcalle, what did you have in mind?
[15:05] <davidcalle> njpatel, the books place is appearing above applications, it's bugging me.
[15:05] <kenvandine> njpatel, is any plans to give lenses keyboard shortcuts?
[15:05] <kenvandine> like regular launchers get
[15:05] <davidcalle> kenvandine, already here
[15:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: and even documented :)
[15:06] <davidcalle> Look at my books.place lp:unity-books-lens
[15:06] <kenvandine> oh...
[15:06] <kenvandine> thx
[15:06] <kenvandine> :)
[15:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: you don't have that with the default lenses?
[15:07] <kenvandine> i do
[15:07] <kenvandine> i just assumed they are special
[15:07] <kenvandine> :)
[15:07] <didrocks> ok, works then ;)
[15:07] <didrocks> kenvandine: no, it's all loaded by the .place file
[15:07]  * njpatel downloads unity-books-lens
[15:07] <kenvandine> so what if multiple lenses request the same shortcut?
[15:08] <didrocks> kenvandine: first one wins :)
[15:08] <davidcalle> kenvandine, first one
[15:08] <didrocks> (the first in the launcher)
[15:08] <didrocks> njpatel: how many launchers will you have by the end of the day?
[15:09] <om26er> good evening lamalex
[15:09] <didrocks> kenvandine: lense dev should be smart enough to avoid that :)
[15:09] <kenvandine> :)
[15:09] <davidcalle> didrocks, can you have a lens not displaying in the launcher and still coming up with its shortcut?
[15:10] <didrocks> davidcalle: yes
[15:10] <davidcalle> didrocks, great :)
[15:10] <didrocks> ;)
[15:10] <didrocks> not tested but from the code, I don't see what prevents that
[15:11] <lamalex> hey om26er
[15:11] <didrocks> so, if you want to confirm, it would be nice!
[15:11] <davidcalle> didrocks *testing*
[15:12] <lamalex> didrocks, that's a dangerous opinion
[15:12] <lamalex> not thinking that way was what made do plugins so easy to write
[15:12] <lamalex> the assumption that plugin authors would be retarded
[15:12] <lamalex> and write retarded code
[15:12] <lamalex> and turns out they were
[15:12] <lamalex> and they did
[15:12] <didrocks> lamalex: well, we just taking into account the first one to prevent that
[15:17] <davidcalle> didrocks: ShowEntry=True doesn't show the launcher entry.  :/
[15:18] <davidcalle> The bright side of it is that ShowEntry=False hides it successfully :D
[15:21] <didrocks> "ShowEntry=True doesn't show the launcher entry" how comes? that's how u-p-a and u-p-f are shown
[15:30] <davidcalle> didrocks, adding ShowEntry to my [Entry:something] hides it, no matter what. BUT... It's probably a noob mistake. I'm rewriting the .place.
[15:36] <davidcalle> didrocks: "that's how u-p-a and u-p-f are shown" That's not what I see in the defaults .place files. That's only how the Runner entry is hidden, am I wrong?
[15:37] <didrocks> davidcalle: one sec, let me check
[15:38] <kenvandine> didrocks, i guess there is no way to hide it conditionally?
[15:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: no
[15:38] <kenvandine> like if there are no gwibber accounts configured, i could hide it from the launcher
[15:39] <didrocks> nice idea, but not right now ;)
[15:39] <kenvandine> or perhaps it would be better for me to just display a "Add accounts" entry
[15:39] <didrocks> davidcalle: ok, you're right
[15:39] <kenvandine> didrocks, indeed
[15:39] <didrocks> davidcalle: let me check
[15:43] <davidcalle> This is evil: when searching for "origin of species", my place just decided to display a picture of Lamarck, titled "Charles Darwin" in the Author group.
[15:45] <lamalex> om26er, when you ask a reporter a question, set the status to incomplete so we can get it out of the new queue
[15:45] <lamalex> makes triaging a lot faster if i don't keep running across bugs you've already started handling
[15:45] <didrocks> davidcalle: what do you set in ShowEntry?
[15:46] <davidcalle> didrocks, True or False, I've tried both.
[15:46] <om26er> lamalex, I do that most of the times, but where I am not certain about my comment's weight I don't play with the status though will change that from now on.
[15:47] <didrocks> davidcalle: try "true"
[15:47] <didrocks> (without the "")
[15:47] <didrocks> davidcalle: so ShowEntry=true
[15:49] <davidcalle> didrocks: it's working, thank you :)
[15:49] <didrocks> davidcalle: yw ;)
[15:49] <didrocks> I think some doc needs to be updated ;)
[15:49] <davidcalle> didrocks, so to answer the first question : setting false and using the shortcut does not work.
[15:49] <didrocks> davidcalle: it's the traditional desktop entry file spec, btw
[15:49]  * spikeb turns off intellihide
[15:50] <didrocks> davidcalle: ok, sadly, I'll have a look to that, the launcher should still be there, but invisible
[15:50] <didrocks> davidcalle: not a high prio for now :)
[15:51] <davidcalle> didrocks, indeed :)
[15:52] <didrocks> davidcalle: updated the spec thanks to you ;)
[15:53] <didrocks> I should update the u-p-a runner .place as well
[15:53] <didrocks> as when it doesn't recognize the key, it's set to false ;)
[15:54] <didrocks> done
[15:54] <lamalex> om26er, yeah, basically the way i do it is as soon as i handle a bug i move it to incomplete so that i can keep moving down the list
[15:55] <lamalex> then i check my bugmail periodically for people who have answered my questions
[15:55] <davidcalle> didrocks, that's great to know that someone who can barely code can help devs ;)
[15:55] <lamalex> om26er, i have my filters set up to filter based on project/bugstatus
[15:55] <lamalex> so all my incompletes come in together
[15:56] <didrocks> davidcalle: well, you did an awesome place, you can code! ;)
[15:56] <om26er> lamalex, that's convenient sometimes I miss a few emails and don't know if the reporter commented back, should try your trick
[15:57] <didrocks> lamalex: on that point, there is a huge backlog from when you didn't triage your emails :)
[15:57] <om26er> lamalex, should I look into unity package bugs as you are on upstream at the moment?
[15:57] <didrocks> lamalex:
[15:57] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.h
[15:57] <davidcalle> didrocks, I'm not coding, I'm blindly iterating stuff on existing code  ;)
[15:57] <didrocks> as_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on
[15:57] <didrocks> davidcalle: well, that's how we all learn!
[15:57] <didrocks> :)
[15:58] <lamalex> didrocks,  yeeeahhh
[15:58] <lamalex> been meaning to get to those...
[15:58] <lamalex> i guess now is a good time
[15:58] <didrocks> lamalex: easy way to get them
[15:58] <didrocks> rather than this link :)
[15:58] <didrocks> Advanced search
[15:58] <lamalex> didrocks, well thunderbird is a giant piece of crap
[15:58] <didrocks> just keep  Incomplete (without response)
[15:58] <om26er> hey didrocks what's this bug report about? bug 747014
[15:58] <didrocks> oupsss
[15:58] <lamalex> and doesn't actually CHECK my subscribed folders unless i click on them
[15:58] <didrocks>  Incomplete (with response)
[15:59] <lamalex> so i dont see the counts going up and get a reminder
[15:59] <didrocks> om26er: pitti going mad, mainly!
[15:59]  * lamalex hates email to death
[15:59] <didrocks> om26er: he'll close it tomorrow :)
[15:59] <om26er> aha
[15:59] <didrocks> lamalex: you have this link
[15:59] <lamalex> maybe i can go on rotation to the lp team and we can work on a bug dashboard..
[15:59] <didrocks> lamalex: om26er: do you want me to launch my script now?
[16:00] <didrocks> I can get you the list as well for "should be set as incomplete" bugs
[16:03] <om26er> didrocks, it will open downstream bug for upstream and upstream bug for downstream and sync their status?
[16:04] <didrocks> om26er: as usual, also open needed tasks
[16:08] <lamalex> didrocks, does (with response) mean, "with a comment since the status was set to incomplete"?
[16:12] <lamalex> didrocks, does (with response) mean, "with a comment since the status was set to incomplete"?
[16:12] <didrocks> lamalex: exactly
[16:12] <lamalex> neat
[16:12] <lamalex> although it doesn't seem to actually work well.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/669109
[16:13] <lamalex> uh, a ton of these do not have comments since the status was set to incomplete wtf
[16:14] <lamalex> didrocks, sorry if i'm pinging you a ton :P how can i target a bug to just a specific distribution?
[16:15] <lamalex> i want to wontfix this for unity, but as confirmed for 10.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/737171
[16:15] <lamalex> s/distribution/release
[16:15] <lamalex> series?
[16:15] <lamalex> target to series!
[16:17] <didrocks> lamalex: "i want to wontfix this for unity, but as confirmed for 10.04" ?
[16:17] <didrocks> sorry, not sure what do you mean
[16:18] <lamalex> didrocks, you know how some bugs have tasks for natty, or maverick, etc?
[16:18] <lamalex> i dont know one off hand to show an example
[16:18] <didrocks> lamalex: so you want to target a bug for maverick or natty in particular?
[16:19] <didrocks> or for o?
[16:19] <lamalex> meh nevermind it's out of the unity domain anyway
[16:19] <lamalex> ill just update the unity task
[16:20] <didrocks> you have the target to release option, but only for supported ones
[16:20] <lamalex> like there are no more super+|?| bindings to get to indicators, but if we broke 10.04, then the 10.04 package should be fixed
[16:20] <lamalex> so it's a wontfix for unity, but should be fixed for that release
[16:20] <lamalex> but that's out of my unity domain anyway so i just wont worry about it
[16:20] <didrocks> lamalex: just reassign the bug
[16:20] <didrocks> to the right component
[16:22] <lamalex> and didrocks final question as this is new territory for me
[16:22] <lamalex> with bugs that have ffe tag, or break ui freeze, can i mark them confirmed? or will that cause them to be lost for the ffe reviewers
[16:26] <didrocks> lamalex: no, let them new please
[16:27] <lamalex> well this one is currently marked incomplete by dbart
[16:27] <lamalex> h
[16:27] <lamalex> should i set it back to new?
[16:29] <lamalex> didrocks, unify should probably take ffe bugs into account and not sync downstream with upstream
[16:30] <didrocks> lamalex: unify doesn't sync incomplete itself if there is no design task
[16:30] <om26er> I have a unity question, was unitydialog postponed for natty?
[16:30] <lamalex> didrocks, well this has a design task
[16:31] <lamalex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/745555
[16:31] <didrocks> lamalex: what the design task status?
[16:31] <lamalex> fix-released
[16:31] <didrocks> it shouldn't be incomplete then
[16:31] <didrocks> and unify will put them triaged
[16:31] <lamalex> yeah i dont know why dbarth marked it incomplete
[16:31] <didrocks> the release team isn't subribed anyway
[16:33] <lamalex> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/681509 says it was fixed
[16:33] <om26er> yeah but the feature is not in
[16:34] <didrocks> it won't
[16:34] <om26er> there were two other unitydialog bugs marked as fixed too but I don't see it
[16:34] <om26er> oh :/
[16:55] <jcastro_> didrocks: theoretically, this should work right? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/588302/
[16:56] <didrocks> jcastro_: no
[16:56] <didrocks> jcastro_: look at the example:
[16:56] <didrocks>  X-Ayatana-Desktop-Shortcuts=Screen;Window
[16:56] <didrocks> [Screen Shortcut Group]
[16:56] <didrocks> you have to add Shortcut Group
[16:57] <didrocks> [entry Shortcut Group]
[16:57] <didrocks> as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Static Quicklist entries
[16:58] <jcastro_> oh ok
[16:58] <jcastro_> so it has to have Shortcut Group in it
[16:58] <jcastro_> I thought I could just call it what I want
[17:01] <didrocks> jcastro_: update the doc if I wasn't clear enough ;)
[17:01] <jcastro_> it was clear, I'm just a moron
[17:11] <fta> how do i edit a launcher I have in the side bar?
[18:50] <coz_> hey all
[19:36] <nhaines> Err, so now that I've upgraded to the newest Unity and rebooted, I find the Unity launcher neither raises windows nor assigns them focus anymore.
[19:37] <nhaines> Actually, it's not doing anything right now.  Hmm, maybe I need another reboot.
[20:28] <nhaines> Okay, it works... crisis averted.
[21:01] <macc> a new version of compiz is going to release tomorrow?
[22:39] <LLStarks> i wish the bfb would use it's newfound blueness to tell what needs attention
[22:39] <LLStarks> *tell me
[23:21] <Daekdroom> Is there any magic key combination that will hide the launcher when it refuses to hide?


[06:21] <manchicken_> I found a graphics card that works in LTS but not Feisty.
[06:21] <manchicken_> S3 something
[06:22] <manchicken_> I'm going to get a hardware profile and submit it tomorrow.
[06:22] <manchicken_> Nighty night folks.
[09:52] <jpetso> Riddell: ping
[09:52] <jpetso> Riddell: yesterday i noticed that pptp-linux is not installed with the default desktop cd installer
[09:53] <jpetso> Riddell: that thing is crucial for us austrians to get logged into adsl
[09:53] <jpetso> Riddell: who should i bug with this?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> pptp-linux?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> !info pptp-linux feisyt
[09:54] <ubotu> pptp-linux: Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) Client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.7.0-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 40 kB, installed size 164 kB
[09:54] <Hobbsee> good question.  wait for Riddell
[10:11] <giangy> 'morning
[10:11] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:11] <giangy> Hobbsee: ahyo :-)
[11:39] <Riddell> jpetso: pptp is on ship, so it's on the CD
[11:40] <jpetso> Riddell: but it's not in Adept after installing Kubuntu, not even as "not installed"
[11:40] <jpetso> Riddell: who should know that it's there, and how to get it from the CD
[11:42] <Riddell> jpetso: fair point
[11:43] <jpetso> Riddell: in more ancient versions, i can remember that it was listed as "not installed", and could easily be gotten
[11:43] <jpetso> Riddell: seems like something has changed in the initial repository handling
[11:45] <Riddell> well, alternate CDs will add themselves to the sources.list so it'll be available from that, live CDs don't so people will indeed need to do some searching
[11:45] <Riddell> I'll discuss it with the seed master at UDS
[01:10] <jpetso> Riddell: thanks! (catched up to your response only now)
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya
[03:34] <Riddell> neversfelde: know anyone going to linuxtag?
[03:35] <neversfelde> Riddell: Czessi for example
[03:35] <sebas> Riddell: /me
[03:36] <Riddell> canonical is looking for someone to do a talk
[03:36] <Riddell> about kubuntu
[03:36] <Riddell> along with sladen talking about ubuntu
[03:37] <Riddell> Czessi: how are your talking skills?
[03:37] <sebas> I'm doing a talk about KDE, could do one about Kubuntu as well. I still have slides from the local LUG meeting.
[03:39] <sebas> So you could keep me as a backup
[03:39] <Riddell> or even the primary :)
[03:39] <sebas> Or that.
[03:39] <sebas> I've got to earn back that t-shirt
[03:40] <Riddell> true, so does ade infact
[03:40] <Riddell> _seaLne: how much are those t-shirts again?
[03:40] <sebas> Did ade get a t-shirt as well?
[03:40] <neversfelde> I think talking is not Czessis favourite hobby
[03:40] <sebas> He only wears his old ones lately
[03:40] <Riddell> he scrounged one while in glasgow
[03:41] <sebas> That bastard.
[03:43] <Czessi> Riddell:  \sh is also going to linuxtag. i think, he is the right guy for it
[03:44] <jjesse> morning
[03:46] <Riddell> \sh: how's your speaking skills?
[03:53] <kwwii> if it comes down to just speaking, I am very good at that ;-)
[03:54] <Riddell> kwwii: oh aye, forgot you were going.  fancy being the Kubuntu half of the talk?
[03:55] <kwwii> Riddell: a) how long is it; b) what is it exactly about; c) who can help with the info I should present
[03:58] <sebas> kwwii: I can get you my slides (they're in EN)
[04:00] <Riddell> kwwii: see #canonical
[04:06] <nixternal> Riddell: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/+bug/107552
[04:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 107552 in krename "krename crash if i want rename files again." [Low,Fix committed]
[04:06] <nixternal> I attached a feisty debdiff to fix that
[04:07] <nixternal> !info krename edgy
[04:07] <ubotu> krename: Powerful batch renamer for KDE 3.x. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.12-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 315 kB, installed size 1240 kB
[04:08] <Riddell> nixternal: don't change the maintainer or add XSBC-; distro to feisty-proposed and explain if why not updating the preview won't affect the user, then subscribe ubuntu-sru
[04:08] <kwwii> sebas: I'd love to have your slides, if possible
[04:08] <nixternal> it crashes out of the dpkg-buildpackage if I don't do it
[04:09] <nixternal> so leave the maintainer field alone then?
[04:13] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, minimal changes only allowed for -updates
[04:13] <nixternal> roger
[04:14] <Riddell> nixternal: you need to edit a script to stop it quitting, just grep for whatever the error message is and put a hash infront of that line
[04:14] <sebas> kwwii: possible. I'll email them.
[04:18] <nixternal> OK, fixed dpkg-source to stop that silly warning and stopper for maintainer
[04:19] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17404/
[04:20] <nixternal> is that small enough now?
[04:26] <manchicken> Michael Dell runs Ubuntu Feisty Fawn...
[04:26] <manchicken> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/biographies/en/msd_computers?c=us&l=en&s=corp
[04:26] <manchicken> heh
[04:28] <kwwii> sebas: great, thanks :-)
[04:32] <\sh> Riddell, what?
[04:33] <\sh> Riddell, I don't have time to speak on linuxtag...I'm busy doing kubuntu booth, FAI booth and some promoting stuff for LPI and my company
[04:34] <Riddell> \sh: is cool, kwwii will do it
[04:34] <\sh> Riddell, what I can try to do is a 2nd talk during froscon about kubuntu...
[04:34] <\sh> next to my fai talk
[04:36] <sebas> kenworldwartwo: slides sent
[05:03] <nixternal> Riddell: OK, I think I got bug 107552 correct. Can you comment, or anyone for that matter on if I have that correct? If not, I will make changes shortly from school. Thanks!
[05:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 107552 in krename "krename crash if i want rename files again." [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107552
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Hello everyone :)
[05:55] <LongPointyStick> yay, krename
[05:55] <LongPointyStick> hi DaSkreech
[05:55] <LongPointyStick> night all!
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Hi LongPointyStick
[06:05] <Guid> Hi _o/
[08:27] <mhb> good evening folks
[08:29] <zebulon> hi
[08:29] <zebulon> I have a question about Adept in Feisty
[08:30] <zebulon> Now that it uses checkboxes (instead of editing directly /etc/apt/sources.list), how does it know the actual distribution is Feisty?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[08:31] <zebulon> ok, thanks
[08:32] <zebulon> So when lsb package is updated in gutsy, Adept will use gutsy channels when selected through the checkboxes.
[08:33] <zebulon> is it right?
[08:36] <Riddell> yes
[08:37] <zebulon> many thanks.
[08:38] <\sh> hmm??
[08:38] <\sh> when lsb-base/lsb-release will be updated, adept will use gutsies repos? did I understand that correctly?
[08:39] <zebulon> that was I was asking: how adept maps the "Kubuntu release" checkboxes with the current distribution
[08:39] <zebulon> since it is not specified in Adept, Adept has to take the repository name somwhere
[08:40] <zebulon> so apprently this is by using the output of lsb_release -a, if I understood correctly.
[08:42] <\sh> I would say, when you use gutsy, you updated your sources.list already
[08:42] <Riddell> that's true too :)
[08:42] <\sh> so it's normal that you will see "gutsy" as release
[08:43] <zebulon> \sh: sure, but in that case, in the current Adept, gutsy reps appear as third parties, not in the main "Kubuntu reps" tab (with checkboxes).
[08:43] <\sh> zebulon, then adept is doing a fetch of all dist files on archive.ubuntu.com or on the mirrors
[08:43] <zebulon> At one moment in Gutsy development, the transfer from third-party reps to the main ones has to occur
[08:44] <zebulon> And this was the meaning of my question: how does that occur, and this is through a lsb release update
[08:45] <zebulon> Actually my question was regarding the internals of Adept instead of the update process itself :)
[08:45] <\sh> zebulon, using the source of adept
[08:45] <\sh> in kubuntu_updater
[08:46] <\sh>   if (developmentVersion) {
[08:46] <\sh>           upgradeURL = config->readEntry(QString("upgradeURL"), QString("http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development"));
[08:46] <\sh>         } else {
[08:46] <\sh>           upgradeURL = config->readEntry(QString("upgradeURL"), QString("http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release"));
[08:46] <zebulon> thanks \sh, inetresting
[08:47] <_StefanS_> evening
[08:47] <\sh> zebulon, if you have ubuntus deb-src lines in your sources.list, do an apt-get source adept...and read for yourself :)
[08:48] <zebulon> \sh, thanks :)
[08:48] <zebulon> need to go, many thanks for your answers guys.
[08:48] <_Sime_> sebas: ping!
[08:48] <\sh> zebulon, every time :)=
[08:51] <\sh> Riddell, is mornfall still working on adept?
[08:52] <Riddell> \sh: he hopes so, but I don't think he has much time for it
[08:55] <sebas> _Sime_: pong
[08:55] <_Sime_> sebas: Hi, I'm working out travel for akademy.
[08:55] <_Sime_> sebas: have you got anything booked yet?
[08:55] <sebas> Nope, probably going by train
[08:56] <sebas> ade's taking the train as well
[08:56] <_Sime_> not flying?
[08:56] <sebas> Nope :)
[08:56] <\sh> Riddell, I think he is busy with RH?
[08:57] <sebas> Nijmegen - Roosendaal - Brussels - London - Glasgow, should take ~12hrs
[08:58] <_Sime_> I'll check that out...
[08:58] <_Sime_> sebas: leaving on the friday?
[08:58] <sebas> I think so, yes
[08:59] <sebas> _Sime_: I think it's ~200 EUR by train
[09:00] <_Sime_> it's about ~200 euro by plane.
[09:00] <sebas> Well :)
[09:00] <_Sime_> looking at the ns planner, the trip to Londen looks awful.
[09:00] <sebas> How so?
[09:02] <Riddell> ns planner?
[09:03] <Riddell> I'd use eurostar.com and firstscotrail.com
[09:03] <_Sime_> sebas: the trip contains a long boot ride. I'll try using brussels as a waypoint.
[09:04] <sebas> _Sime_: No boat, from Brussels, that's the Eurostar to London
[09:04] <_Sime_> I'm looking up eurostar now...
[09:04] <sebas> We ususally use treinreiswinkel.nl =)
[09:10] <_Sime_> all i want is something that will plan it all out without me needed to duct-tape 3 different websites together in my head.
[09:13] <Riddell> boat?  ferry to Edinburgh?
[09:14] <sebas> _Sime_: treinreiswinkel.nl :)
[09:14] <sebas> They send tickets and schedule
[09:14] <_Sime_> sebas: ja ja
[09:14] <_Sime_> sebas: it says that I can't book that trip on the 'net
[09:14] <Riddell> british transport is entirely disconnected from the continent
[09:14] <sebas> Yeah, international trains booking online sucks donkey balls
[09:15] <_StefanS_> hmm how do I find out if Algorithm::Diff is present in some of the perl-modules available in feisty ?
[09:16] <DaSkreech> anyone uses mateedit?
[09:16] <_StefanS_> ah :D found it
[09:16] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: nope sorry
[09:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: cool, you can try the Kubuntu CD on it
[09:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no idea about perl I'm afraid
[09:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: surely I will :)
[09:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: found it :) - it was called libalgorithm-diff-perl
[09:18] <_StefanS_> sort of the reverse order
[09:18] <_StefanS_> is kate a good perl editor, or should I go with komodo or something (?)
[09:19] <_StefanS_> hmm kate doesn't seem to do function lookups
[09:19] <_StefanS_> komodo it is.
[09:20] <_Sime_> sebas: I'm planning to depart on the friday and return on the thursday. What are your plans?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> hmm all this fuss about netbeans being included in feisty; it just basically means you have download it yourself first ? :)
[09:23] <_StefanS_> I just managed to spend $1458 for that ps3 in total.. jeeez. When you do stuff, you have to go all the way hehe
[09:25] <DaSkreech> There is a PPC-ps3 Kubuntu CD ?
[09:25] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: I just think its the regular ppc one
[09:25] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/feisty/release/
[09:25] <_StefanS_> oh
[09:25] <Riddell> not regular, different linux build I think
[09:25] <_StefanS_> ah sweet :)
[09:26] <DaSkreech> there is one patched to work specifically with the PS3 as well AFAIR
[09:26] <_StefanS_> bend and fold proteins wooha
[09:27] <DaSkreech> :-) Which team are you joining?
[09:27] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: ah I dont know, is there an ubuntu one ? :)
[09:27] <_StefanS_> Well I heard it uses 200watts when folding that stuff, so its kinda power hungry
[09:28] <_StefanS_> My tv uses 200watts also..
[09:28] <sebas> _Sime_: I'll on friday and leave the day after the last hackathon day
[09:28] <DaSkreech> _StefanS_: There should be
[09:29] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: uhm I will have to look into that, AFTER i have downloaded the preview of Gran Turismo HD :D
[09:29] <_Sime_> sebas: when is that? hackathon isn't even on the site now.
[09:29] <DaSkreech> I want fluxbuntu to recode for the PS3 :)
[09:30] <DaSkreech> that would be sweet :)
[09:30] <_StefanS_> fluxbuntu ?
[09:30] <_StefanS_> fluxbox or something ? :D
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:30] <DaSkreech> #fluxbuntu
[09:30] <DaSkreech> They want to become a PS3 distro
[09:30] <_StefanS_> wow never heard of it
[09:30] <sebas> http://akademy.kde.org/ until saturday 7th, _Sime_
[09:31] <_Sime_> sebas: ok, AKA "the long haul"
[09:31] <_StefanS_> If I only didn't have to work, then I could be doing stuff on kubuntu fulltime :D
[09:31] <_StefanS_> would be nice though
[09:31] <sebas> _Sime_: Yeah.
[09:31] <sebas> I barely had enough time to speak everyone I wanted last year
[09:40] <jjesse> why aren't workds like Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Kontact, etc part of the sdtandard dictionary?
[09:40] <_Sime_> sebas: flying, friday and friday, 167 euro.
[09:40] <_Sime_> sebas: return of course
[09:41] <sebas> _Sime_: + train to Schiphol
[09:42] <_Sime_> true
[09:47] <DaSkreech> _StefanS_: Ask them to pay you to work on Kubuntu :)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: well I dont think I have enough reputation to even be considered ;)
[09:47] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I often wonder that. They are part of the Windows Dictionary
[09:53] <_Sime_> Riddell: I'm guessing it won't be a problem checking into the akademy accomodation in the evening.
[09:59] <Riddell> _Sime_: no, 24 hours I believe
[10:02] <_Sime_> ok, cool.  Kopete <@sampi>, etc
[11:11] <ryanakca> sampi is my old hostname. I changed it in /etc/hosts, hostname shows sigma now... and I've rebooted... bug?
[11:13] <DaSkreech> does bash say that?


[01:33] <swift110> hey all
[05:44] <coolAyanami> Hello. I'm having mice issues.
[05:45] <diogenes_> u need a cat
[05:46] <coolAyanami> lol
[05:47] <coolAyanami> (My IRL cat has caught one in plain sight. So awesome)
[05:47] <coolAyanami> I can't get the mouse sensitivity to change.
[05:48] <coolAyanami> When I adjust mouse settings, the only thing that does change is the sensitivity.
[05:48] <diogenes_> doesn't it have a dpi button for sensitivity?
[05:49] <coolAyanami> My mouse yeah. But I also need to adjust it via software.
[05:51] <coolAyanami> I'm using the Logitech Proteus Spectrum.
[05:52] <coolAyanami> But I still can't get enough sensitivity. Hence why I want to adjust it more in Linux. In fact when I turn up the sensitivity slider nothing changes.
[05:52] <coolAyanami> However, ACCELERATION does.
[10:13] <filippo> hi
[10:18] <alkisg> Hello
[10:29] <deskwizard> o/
[11:09] <held007> tried to install 18.04, most horrible experience yet. install took over an hour, docking station did not work, multiple crash reports sent.
[11:10] <held007> tried 17.10, the next day. no problems at all
[11:10] <held007> anyone experience high cpu during install ? mine was at a average of 97%
[11:17] <arwenvd> Helllo
[11:21] <deskwizard> Howdy
[11:27] <deskwizard> held007: Uhm, I didn't look at the CPU load when I installed it yesterday
[11:27] <deskwizard> what kind of hardware was that on ?
[11:28] <held007> old laptop: dell e6400
[11:29] <held007> deskwizard: dell e6400 core2duo
[11:30] <deskwizard> mkay
[11:30] <held007> verified all hashes after dl and after i wrote to usb
[11:31] <held007> 17.10 runs like a dream though i was surprised 18.04 did not
[11:32] <sixwheeledbeast^> Thats fairly old hardware. My old dell inspirion still has 16.04LTS at the moment. no issues like that on the desktop
[11:33] <held007> i had no issues with gnome 16.04 lts either
[11:37] <held007> but cpu's are not getting faster like they used to, they get more cores though =)
[11:38] <held007> well im off, cant hang around here all day. although i would be fun, have a nice day everybody =)
[11:38] <held007> s/i/it
[14:20] <arwenvd> Hello everyone
[14:21] <diogenes_> hi
[14:22] <arwenvd> A while ago, when i was struggling with vnc on mate 18.04, someone on this channel suggested to me a software for managing a lot of computers remotely. Can someone tell me the software's name?
[14:28] <deskwizard> at some point my damn brain will cooperate and remember the one I was using *growl*
[14:29] <deskwizard> teamviewer. not sure how much it changed since then though
[14:29] <deskwizard> not sure if that's the one you were looking for, but yeah.
[14:31] <arwenvd> Nope. It was free and was oriented for big number of computers.
[14:34] <deskwizard> Ah, sorry
[15:20] <alkisg> arwenvd: maybe epoptes.org?
[16:29] <sixwheeledbeast^> I am mostly using Remmina Client and VNC over SSH. Any of these ring a bell https://alternativeto.net/software/teamviewer/ ?


[05:11] <cpaelzer> good morning
[10:31] <Itay> Hello, trying to install desktop on ubuntu-server, i see many guides offering using tasksel, is it any different than running apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[10:41] <xnox> Itay:  installing ubuntu-desktop is preferred, but that will not result in the same install as using ubuntu desktop installer.iso.
[10:42] <xnox> Itay:  for example, one will remain tracking linux-generic kernel instead of linux-generic-hwe-20.04 like desktop installs do, and preinstalled snaps & language packs will be missing too.
[10:42] <xnox> you would want to make choices to fix that up by hand yourself.
[10:57] <ogra> Itay, apt can install tasks just fine, you do not need tasksel: sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop^ (the caret tells it that it is a task)
[10:57] <Itay> Thanks!
[12:04] <ahasenack> morning
[19:11] <athos> could anyone please import php-symfony-contracts into git-ubuntu?
[19:12] <rbasak> athos: done
[19:13] <rbasak> (it was already imported but wasn't set as the default)
[19:14] <athos> thanks, rbasak :)