[21:27] <dhillon-v10> newz2000: hi :)
[21:27] <newz2000> hi dhillon-v10
[21:28] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, finally got in touch with you, how are you?
[21:28] <newz2000> good, how are you today?
[21:29] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, not bad, I was waiting to get in touch with you because you told me to see you here for Ubuntu website editors and Ubuntu Start page teams
[21:29] <newz2000> ah, I know who you are now. :-)
[21:30] <newz2000> I'm sorry for the delay, I was in a meeting in London last week and on holiday the week before.
[21:30] <newz2000> I'm still not quite caught up
[21:30] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, sorry about that :) I didn't know how else to introduce myself
[21:30] <newz2000> No need to be sorry
[21:30] <newz2000> So you want to get involved, eh?
[21:33] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, yup :) This is the first time I get a chance to show my skills in web designing :)
[21:33] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: what did you ahve in mind?
[21:35] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, please elaborate on that one, I know a lot of web languages: HTML, Java, CSS, PHP, and SQL I am learning django
[21:35] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: in what way did you want to contribute, did you have something in mind?
[21:36] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I see that Ubuntu website sometimes for searches takes too long while performing the query (I used firebug for that) so I want to, if I can provide an optimization algorithm that makes the searches faster :)
[21:37] <newz2000> wow, that's very specific! You're talking about the search box at the top of the page on ubuntu.com?
[21:37] <dhillon-v10> yah that and also in the Ubuntu wiki :)
[21:38] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, since you are an expert in this field so I though you would be the best person to ask :)
[21:38] <newz2000> Well, we currently use two different systems for these sites
[21:38] <newz2000> www.ubuntu.com uses Google's Custom Site Search
[21:38] <newz2000> And the wikis use the in-built search of Moin Moin, our wiki
[21:39] <newz2000> wiki.ubuntu.com is a pretty massive site.
[21:39] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: do you have an idea on how to make them faster?
[21:40] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright the wiki query system needs some improvements because the searches are really slow, the javascript can be analyzed in a profiler and the "hot-spots" can thus be optimized to get better performance
[21:40] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I mean the Moin Moin search part
[21:40] <newz2000> right
[21:41] <newz2000> I want to encourage your enthusiasm, but I'm not sure that throwing resources at this is the best way to improve things...
[21:41] <newz2000> you see, we basically use a stock Moin, so you can contribute improvements upstream to the moin project
[21:41] <newz2000> but I think that our plan is to implement a Google Search Appliance and use it to provide unified search to all of our sites
[21:42] <newz2000> and that should be quite fast
[21:42] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I see, okay so are there any bugs that I could fix here
[21:42] <newz2000> There are a couple I can think of… let me ask you, do you like to do design or code development most?
[21:43] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, both :) they both involve thinking
[21:44] <dhillon-v10> design will be a better one, I am a bit lazy
[21:44] <newz2000> ok
[21:44] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, yay!!!
[21:45] <newz2000> There is a project about to start to do work on kubuntu.org, does this sound like something you may be interested in?
[21:45] <dhillon-v10> sure, is it project timelord
[21:45] <dhillon-v10> * under project timelord
[21:45] <newz2000> and likewise the fridge.ubuntu.com site needs someone to give it a lot of TLC
[21:45] <newz2000> project timelord? I've not heard of that
[21:46] <newz2000> oh, no, not part of timelord
[21:46] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, its Kubuntu's improvement plan, they are doing almost everything over, I write docs. for them
[21:46] <newz2000> ah, didn't know that
[21:46] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright :)
[21:46] <newz2000> There is a guy from the community, Ofir is his name
[21:46] <newz2000> he's been contacting me this week and last
[21:46] <newz2000> he is workign with Drupal
[21:46] <newz2000> he wants to improve the site and especially the download page
[21:47] <dhillon-v10> drupal is awesome :)
[21:47] <newz2000> We have some very tight constraints to work with (i.e. security constraints)
[21:47] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: what part of the world are you in?
[21:47] <dhillon-v10> I live in Orlando, Florida USA
[21:48] <newz2000> oh, nice. I used to live near there (Sarasota area). I'm in Iowa now w/ 14" of snow wishing I was nearer to you. :-)
[21:48] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, its nice right now, but it will rain soon :)
[21:49] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, so do I meet the qualifications for Ubuntu website editors team or the start page team may be?
[21:49] <newz2000> I don't think joining those teams on launchpad is going to be beneficial to you
[21:49] <newz2000> they're just administrivia and will get you a lot of email
[21:50] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: are you on the web presence team mailing list? If so, that's the best place.
[21:50] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, that's also one of the things I would like to have, they look good on your profile even though I will be working with you :)
[21:51] <newz2000> ok, on Friday I'll be revamping the teams and I'll see if it makes sense to put you on there at that time. I have your emails so will be able to remember to do that...
[21:51] <newz2000> so about you contributing,
[21:51] <newz2000> I can help get you in touch with the Kubuntu team members, where you'd be working with them… or
[21:51] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, you are my new hero yay!!
[21:51] <newz2000> I can get you in touch with the fridge team which aiui has no one working on a design project and desperately want help, or
[21:52] <newz2000> I can ask you to wait until the spring when we'll be doing count down banners and etc again
[21:52] <newz2000> which would you like?
[21:52] <newz2000> or,
[21:52] <dhillon-v10> alright, I would like to get started now, which one do you think is the best one
[21:52] <newz2000> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ team wants a theme for their planet planet site that matches the wiki
[21:53] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I am not too artistic so I guess I can help out aiui on fridge
[21:54] <newz2000> aiui = as I understand it
[21:54] <newz2000> you'd be the only one on the fridge
[21:54] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, ahh I learned a new abbreviation :) alright so what would I have to do on fridge
[21:55] <newz2000> create a new design for a news site, implement it in drupal
[21:55] <newz2000> I can point you at some work that's been done in planning
[21:55] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/FridgeTheme
[21:56] <dhillon-v10> sounds really interesting, I am a student so I get a lot of school work as well, are there strict time limits on designing stuff
[21:56] <newz2000> no
[21:56] <newz2000> that one is a big project though
[21:56] <GreySim> You don't really need art skills if you're just matching/porting themes...slice and dice the existing one and reassemble it.
[21:56] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: if you want to start small, an easier task may be to port the wiki theme to planet planet for cloud.ubuntu.com
[21:56] <newz2000> that would be all html/css work
[21:58] <dhillon-v10> that should be easy, sorry but can you please tell me what planet planet is (probably a website)
[21:58] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: planet planet is a blog aggregator tool. It grabs RSS feeds every hour or so and generates a static website from them
[21:58] <newz2000> it uses a symplistic python based template system
[21:59] <newz2000> www.planetplanet.org
[21:59] <dhillon-v10> alright, porting the theme should be easy and I'll get started sometime after I get some sleep :)
[21:59] <newz2000> ok, awesome
[21:59] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: here's what I would do...
[21:59] <newz2000> download the planet planet source and get it working on your PC
[21:59] <newz2000> then start hacking on the theme
[22:00] <newz2000> I'd basically do an exact port
[22:00] <newz2000> then we can show it to the cloud team, and they'll probably want you to do a couple tweaks to make it more "cloud-ish"
[22:00] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, one question: the website you linked out to has a very simple layout would you like the same thing as a draft
[22:01] <newz2000> I'd say it's a great starting point
[22:01] <newz2000> Oh
[22:01] <newz2000> planet.ubuntu.com already has the base theme made...
[22:01] <newz2000> let me get you the source to that and then you can just customize that
[22:02] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I wrote a script a little while ago to obtain all the CSS and javascripts from a website, so that would be very helpful here with firebug :)
[22:05] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: ok, I have a theme for you, you can use it as a basis. Obviously, refrences to planet.ubuntu.com need to be replaced with cloud.ubuntu.com and may want to do some minimal branding to make it cloud-like.
[22:06] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: just emailed it
[22:07] <newz2000> I know the cloud guys would be exstatic to have a nicer looking theme
[22:07] <dhillon-v10> alright, so let me summarize all the steps: 1. get the source you emailed me 2. make it look like planet planet theme you showed me and do some edit 3. change some of the CSS to accomplish that
[22:07] <dhillon-v10> is that all of it
[22:08] <newz2000> yeah, this should be pretty easy… regardign step 2,
[22:08] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, wait how do you know my email?
[22:08] <newz2000> You emailed me last week
[22:08] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, ahh :)
[22:08] <dhillon-v10> sorry about that, I didn't drink coffee this afternoon
[22:08] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: but don't make this theme look like planetplanet.org, instead alter it only slightly from planet.ubuntu.com in order to make it have a cloud emphasis
[22:09] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright so more like this: http://sd.ubuntu-us.org/
[22:09] <dhillon-v10> and cloud stuff added
[22:10] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: if you want it to look like that, sure… I'd borrow the HTML and CSS from ubuntu.com's ubuntu09 theme
[22:10] <newz2000> but you can keep it looking like planet.ubuntu.com if you like
[22:11] <newz2000> in that tgz file look for a file called test.html, I think it's your theme
[22:11] <dhillon-v10> alright, off to sleep nice talking to you and I'll get this done by Friday if that's okay with you
[22:11] <newz2000> that is fine
[22:11] <dhillon-v10> bye
[22:11] <newz2000> bye


[03:28] <fungoat> So quiet here.
[14:41] <Nothing_Much> EDT
[14:41] <Nothing_Much> Oh it's eastern daylight time
[15:39] <Nothing_Much> party today? :D
[15:40] <balloons> indeed this afternoon.
[15:51] <Nothing_Much> an hour and a half left!
[15:51] <balloons> you going to make it Nothing_Much ?
[15:52] <Nothing_Much> absolutely!
[15:52] <Nothing_Much> not sure what's gonna happen though
[15:52] <Nothing_Much> I don't normally party
[15:52] <balloons> heh.. I'm still nursing a throat infection.  I've had it a couple days now :-)
[15:54] <Nothing_Much> balloons: dude you should totally join
[15:55] <Nothing_Much> meeting strangers with a common interest in ubuntu woo!
[16:01] <Nothing_Much> wait
[16:01] <Nothing_Much> is there a minimum age to go?
[16:09] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: nope
[16:09] <mhall119> anybody can come
[16:09] <mhall119> see you all there!
[16:09] <Nothing_Much> woo!
[16:09] <Nothing_Much> 14:00 is 2pm?
[16:09] <mhall119> yes
[16:10] <mhall119> I'm leaving now so that I won't be late
[16:10] <Nothing_Much> alright, got an hour
[16:10] <Nothing_Much> oh
[16:10] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: see ya there!
[16:46] <balloons> alright.. I'm off, see you all soon


[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #209495 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (main) "evdev crashes x server with Microsoft Comfort Optical Mouse 3000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209495
[06:03] <ubotu> New bug: #194848 in xorg-server (main) "hardy alpha 5 closes session after choose keyboard" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194848
[06:13] <ubotu> New bug: #209528 in xrandr "External monitor on with panel off causes screen distortion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209528
[06:22] <bryce> heya
[07:00] <tjaalton> howdy
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #207765 in ubiquity (main) "Install crashes on partitioning screen when brazilian portuguese language is selected during boot (dup-of: 184651)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207765
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #208347 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashes if cd language is pt-br (dup-of: 184651)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208347
[07:32] <ubotu> New bug: #188431 in ubiquity (main) "Brazialin Installation Crash (dup-of: 184651)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188431
[07:59] <tjaalton> bryce: fixing bug 184651 might fix bug 205979 as well
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184651 in xorg-server "Crash when starting gnome-settings-daemon" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184651
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205979 in xorg-server "xserver crash on exit in CloseDownDevices and SrvXkbFreeGeomRows" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205979
[07:59] <tjaalton> I've got it on my git tree
[08:00] <tjaalton> the latest upload fixed the issue where keys got stuck
[08:00] <tjaalton> so maybe seb128 is happy now :)
[08:01] <bryce> yeah I'll take a deeper look tomorrow.  Also got some various patches and stuff I need to test and get uploaded
[08:02] <tjaalton> what i'd like to get fixed is the problem where the server falls back to 800x600 resolution, because it's using the default ranges (hsync 31.50-37.90, vrefresh 50-70)
[08:03] <tjaalton> there are some modesetting patches upstream
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #209568 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "hard lock up with R430 X800 XL PCIe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209568
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #208343 in openarena "Openarena doesn't render the graphics properly (dup-of: 199823)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208343
[11:18] <ubotu> New bug: #208961 in mesa (main) "Update manager fails - From Gutsy to Hardy Beta" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208961
[11:37] <ubotu> New bug: #27293 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Problems with Default Language and Keyboard Settings" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27293
[13:04] <Ng> tjaalton: did you build 2.6.24-13 yourself, or is my mirror just stale?
[13:08] <soren> Ng: 2.6.24-13 seems to be in the archive.
[13:10] <Ng> hmm
[13:11]  * Ng shrugs, I'll check back in a bit and see if apt cares about it yet :)
[13:12] <tjaalton> Ng: a.u.c has it, but there are no lum/lrm packages yet, so no wifi etc :)
[13:12] <Ng> ah, that'll be why apt doesn't care yet :)
[13:12] <tjaalton> yes, you need to hand-pick it
[13:12] <Ng> right now I need lum ;)
[13:12] <tjaalton> hehe
[13:14] <soren> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi?package=linux-image-2.6.24-13-generic&a=&c=&s=
[13:21] <mvo> tjaalton: do you have a idea about bug #208961 ? the libgl1-mesa-glx failure?
[13:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208961 in mesa "Update manager fails - From Gutsy to Hardy Beta" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208961
[13:27] <tjaalton> mvo: hum, not really.. why would it fail even if that file was not there
[13:28] <tjaalton> or does it unpack libGL.so first and tries to link it to libGL.so.1 which is not yet unpacked?
[13:29] <mvo> tjaalton: that is possible, I have not looked closely yet, but it sounds pausible
[13:29] <tjaalton> the logs didn't have anything about nvidia/fglrx so that's not it :)
[13:30] <tjaalton> well, nvidia-kernel-common but everyone has it
[13:34] <jcristau> could be a diversion gone mad
[13:35] <jcristau> they tend to be made of fail
[13:35] <tjaalton> yep..
[13:35]  * mvo wished there would be a declarative way for diversions (instead of putting them in the maintainer scripts)
[13:36] <tjaalton> mvo: maybe check if the user has had nvidia/fglrx installed at some point
[13:36] <mvo> tjaalton: my personal favorite solution would be that the maintainer script would be robust enough to not fail but if needed I can try to add magic to update-manager
[13:37] <tjaalton> mvo: I think they are better now
[13:37] <tjaalton> oh you mean mesa?
[13:37] <mvo> yeah
[13:37] <jcristau> mvo: dpkg is failing to unpack the package afaics, nothing the maint scripts can do
[13:38] <tjaalton> mesa maint scripts only do ldconfig
[13:38] <tjaalton> at least the one for libgl1-mesa-glx
[13:38] <tjaalton> ones
[13:38] <mvo> jcristau, tjaalton: right, my bad. I haven't looked close enough
[13:39] <tjaalton> but the nvidia/fglrx scripts should be better now, but not something that can be fixed for released versions I think
[16:11] <mvo> tjaalton, bryce: do you have any idea what might cause bug #208878 ?
[16:16] <tjaalton> mvo: could be the nvidia driver playing tricks
[19:53] <bryce> mvo, I've added some speculation and questions
[19:53] <bryce> mvo, currently there's not enough detail in the report to really do much troubleshooting, aside from maybe browsing l-r-m for similar reports
[19:55] <dennda> Hey. Are there any issues known related to Intel X3100 graphics cards and external screens? (Especially if you want to rotate the external screen)
[19:56] <bryce> denna, yeah see bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/
[19:56] <bryce> rotation causes lockups on some intel cards
[19:57] <bryce> we need someone to do some backtraces and such to narrow in on where the problem is.
[19:57]  * dennda volunteers
[20:01] <dennda> Just not right now, but I would be more than happy to help fix the outstanding issues (I have, as I said, a X3100)
[20:04] <dennda> bryce: just tell me what I need to do
[20:07] <bryce> ok, the procedure is documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg; I can give more advice when you are ready to work on it
[20:07] <bryce> bbiab
[20:07] <dennda> Ok. That's likely to be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow
[20:10] <dennda> I hope there's still enough time to get those things into hardy :)
[20:29] <bryce> excellent
[20:29] <bryce> even if not, the crash-on-rotate bug is important enough we can push to get it SRU'd post-release


[01:50] <bhundven> am I doing this right? juju machine add --constraints "cpu-cores=2 mem=4G arch=amd64" kvm:0
[01:50] <bhundven> on maas
[01:52] <bhundven> hardware: arch=amd64 cpu-cores=1 mem=512M root-disk=8192M
[01:53] <bhundven> is what it deploys
[01:55] <bhundven> seems to be bug#1399613
[02:07] <jose> bhundven: then, aren't you exceeding what you have?
[02:19] <bhundven> jose: no that is the vm hardware, the host machine is: hardware: arch=amd64 cpu-cores=8 mem=16384M
[02:24] <bhundven> http://pastebin.com/s0aRcvqM
[02:27] <bhundven> I noticed this, because I was trying to deploy things to kvm instances and they weren't deploying, because the constraints of the application were higher then the kvm instance. Then I noticed that it was 1 core, 512m, 8192m disk.


[01:33] <ubptgbot> Sean Zaininger was added by: Sean Zaininger
 Is it just my orientation sensor that is broken? or is that a known issue  on egde channel atm?
 what device?
 did you just update?
 edge is not a very safe place to be iiuc
[09:14] <ubptgbot> 777 was added by: 777
 Good morning all, Is it possible to install Ubuntu touch on a Huawei Mate 9 Pro phone?
 @matv1 [Is it just my orientation sensor that is broken? or is that a known issue  on eg …], Rotation works on devel. Edge has been merged with some sensor experiment, could be thats a problem
 interesting. That seems likely indeed. I am on OnePlus 3 btw and orientation sensor has been broken for a few days now
 oh and, come to think of it, I could not get a GPS fix on that device either when I was travelling last saturday. (I know it can take quite a long time but I gave it more then 20 minutes before giving up)
 ++++mein fp2 mit Ubuntu Touch viel zu hohén Energieverbrauch
 @Flohack [Rotation works on devel. Edge has been merged with some sensor experiment, could …], Not sure who is working on that but if he/she needs some logs pulled, just ask
 @YougoChats [edge is not a very safe place to be iiuc], Dont worry, I know I shoulndt be relying on it. Just reporting what is happening. Maybe it is of some help :)
 @PetitMesange [++++mein fp2 mit Ubuntu Touch viel zu hohén Energieverbrauch], Hello, we speak english here :) if you prefer german, there is the German Ubports channel. it is: https://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
 Thanks!!!
 If I want to port ut for a new device what language should I know? What should I know?
 @matv1 [Not sure who is working on that but if he/she needs some logs pulled, just ask], Tell @mariogrip he merged it ^^
 @matv1 [oh and, come to think of it, I could not get a GPS fix on that device either whe …], Yes its sensor framework replacement, prone to breaking all sensors 😆does ambient light or proximity work?
 *should* be fixed now ish
 For gps it's missing a package, fixing that today
 ah cool. will check tonight then. Thank you!
 oh and fwiw, prox. sensor was failing as well. ambient light sensor appearently fuctioning still
 @DearerMetal [If I want to port ut for a new device what language should I know? What should I …], from what I understand, C or C++ is helpfull but not essential, Linux shell obviously. But mostly plain-old English for reading and following the docs 😀
 Also, you will want to join the porting channels for support: https://t.me/halium
 @DearerMetal [If I want to port ut for a new device what language should I know? What should I …], oh your already there.
 @matv1 [from what I understand, C or C++ is helpfull but not essential, Linux shell obvi …], I read all the docs but for my dev there is not even a LOS official
 So the docs are almost unuseful
 @DearerMetal what is your desired device?
 I need to start from a LOS 16 unofficial that have some minor bugs itself so I need to know which things I need to start dev. If I just follow the guide I'll find myself stuck with a non bootable os
 @NotKit [@DearerMetal what is your desired device?], S9+
 @DearerMetal [I need to start from a LOS 16 unofficial that have some minor bugs itself so I n …], frankly, get things compiled, then ask for help with logs in Halium group when it boots/fails to boot
 since it is Treble device, it should work with GSI image, so compiling kernel with changed config is the starting point
 I know I'll be stuck in boot fail and I just want to know before it happens what to do about it
 @NotKit [since it is Treble device, it should work with GSI image, so compiling kernel wi …], I can do that from unofficial LOS 16 but if you watch in the new porting device list
 There is already s9+ but that dev is stuck since 1 year ago
 @DearerMetal [I know I'll be stuck in boot fail and I just want to know before it happens what …], it's hard to predict the issues before they happen
 I think he already asked in helium group...
 Thx for explaining man
[14:03] <ubptgbot> Roy Damen was added by: Roy Damen
[14:49] <ubptgbot> rdponsell was added by: rdponsell
 can we use desktop apps on UBports like burpsuite etc?
 @rdponsell [can we use desktop apps on UBports like burpsuite etc?], you can install x11 and cli apps in a libertine container
 how can you guide me?
 no, but you can read the documentation for setting up and using libertine on https://docs.ubports.com
 ok thanks
 i am new in UBports can anyone tell me how to setup/install libertine and use burpsuite on it
 @rdponsell [ok thanks], you just have to go to system settings —> libertine —> create a new libertine container (this operation takes several minutes)  and then choose debs or packages from repositories.
 I wouldn't let the screen turn off during the process. You can advoid the screen turning of with active screen app from openstore
 (or just selecting Never in the screen timeout in system settings)
 take in mind two things for libertine: … Repositories are from ubuntu 16.04 … Libertine is still experimental so many apps maybe doesn't launch at all
 @dohbee [(or just selecting Never in the screen timeout in system settings)], I find this more annoying 😆
 @dohbee [(or just selecting Never in the screen timeout in system settings)], never seen a bot like this
 Rodney isn't a bot
 @j2g2rp [take in mind two things for libertine: … Repositories are from ubuntu 16.04 … Libert …], Thanks mate for complete steps
 also i think you need to keep the system settings in front
 yeah I forgot to say 😂
 @rdponsell [Thanks mate for complete steps], you are wellcome
 can install dual boot UBports with Oxygen Os in OP3?
 dual boot is not supported, not
 [Edit] dual boot is not supported, no
 Okay
 thanks anyway
 another two things:  … The experience of desktop apps isn't the better even when they run. … With libertine tweak tool app you can make some tweaks to the container yo created to make them more usable
 @j2g2rp [another two things:  … The experience of desktop apps isn't the better even when t …], i connects my device with monitor and use it with mice and keyboard
 well burpsuite will probably not run
 what about wine then?
 your phone is not x86
 it cannot run x86 applications
 wine is x86?
 there's apparently a version of wine that can do WinRT things, but almost certainly whatever you want to run is not available for WinRT
 I think wine is also present for android devices
 so yes, wine is only for x86 in debian/ubuntu archives anyway
 @ItsMeShouko [I think wine is also present for android devices], nah it sucks
 @dohbee [so yes, wine is only for x86 in debian/ubuntu archives anyway], ok
 @rdponsell [nah it sucks], no. it's just only for WinRT apps because it's ARM
 @dohbee [no. it's just only for WinRT apps because it's ARM], any usefull winrt app which can do jobs like burpsuite?
 @rdponsell [any usefull winrt app which can do jobs like burpsuite?], what is burpsuite?
 @Shakendo [what is burpsuite?], infosec pen testing app
 @Shakendo [what is burpsuite?], You can find bugs in payment gateways with this
 @rdponsell [any usefull winrt app which can do jobs like burpsuite?], probably not, and it has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch; i'm not going to do internet searches for you
 ahh ok, would xmir be able to handle that Rodney?
 @Shakendo [ahh ok, would xmir be able to handle that Rodney?], if the phone was x86, sure
 probably yes i use this before and buy a lot of stuffs for free
 is burpsuite x86 specific? Im unfamiliar with it
 @Shakendo [is burpsuite x86 specific? Im unfamiliar with it], the download page says so
 @rdponsell [probably yes i use this before and buy a lot of stuffs for free], we won't help you steal things through illegal activity here
 ahh ok, so essentially to use it, UT would need a x86 compatibility solution
 @dohbee [we won't help you steal things through illegal activity here], ok
 @Shakendo [ahh ok, so essentially to use it, UT would need a x86 compatibility solution], or burp needs to port their software to UT
 which if its purpose is for what was previously stated, I doubt will happen
 can a pro dev port burp in UT?
 @rdponsell [can a pro dev port burp in UT?], sure, if you find one willing to do it, but we here wont cause we dont condone theft here
 @Shakendo [which if its purpose is for what was previously stated, I doubt will happen], no, it's an infosec testing tool. though yes, malicious people may use it to do some illegal things
 anyway, to the core point: Ubuntu Touch does not magically turn your phone into a PC
 ahh ok, and yeah, UT doesnt = mini ARM PC, Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch are different
 what about raspberry pi ?
 you can run UT on a RPi 3B
 still not gonna be a PC, but RPi does run UT, Pi4 iirc has graphics issue
 RPi is still ARM. it won't run x86 apps either
 no i mean can we run burp wine and other stuff in Raspberry pi 4
 this group is about Ubuntu Touch, not what someone might have theoretically done on an RPi with some other systems
 @dohbee [RPi is still ARM. it won't run x86 apps either], so this means better to buy a laptop for this
 @rdponsell [so this means better to buy a laptop for this], don't know and won't help you with it. this group is about Ubuntu TOuch
 okay
 UT is not for pen testing can't do hacking and gaming either maybe photo and video editing also can't be easy on it so what can this os do?
 it is an OS for phones
 @rdponsell [UT is not for pen testing can't do hacking and gaming either maybe photo and vid …], Basically there are not more than 3-4 native apps
 and also can't use android apps also
 no, it is not android
 @ItsMeShouko [Basically there are not more than 3-4 native apps], there are lot more than 3-4 native apps
 but they aren't from snapchat, whatsapp, or whatever
 @dohbee [there are lot more than 3-4 native apps], name it
 @dohbee [there are lot more than 3-4 native apps], And are they useful?
 if you want android, use android
 @rdponsell [name it], open-store.io
 We will have to write them
 i'm not going to waste time arguing with you
 @mrcyjanek [open-store.io], already check this out there is only fking garbage
 @ItsMeShouko [And are they useful?], yes. and don't try to start a pointless argument, simply because whatever special thing you want might not be there
 keep it up @rdponsell and i'll just ban you. be nice
 @dohbee [yes. and don't try to start a pointless argument, simply because whatever specia …], No, no I am not, I understand your point
 By useful app I mean alternatives to android apps
 @mrcyjanek [open-store.io], i am talking about terminal apps/software or whatever you call
 @rdponsell [i am talking about terminal apps/software or whatever you call], what do you mean by that?
 [Edit] By useful app I mean alternatives to android apps that we use daily
 @mrcyjanek [what do you mean by that?], like python programs
 I run ffmpeg, youtube-dl and other's on ut from terminal app
 you can install CLI tools in libertine, which are available from ubuntu archive
 @dohbee [you can install CLI tools in libertine, which are available from ubuntu archive], actually, you can use them natively if you make ~/bin and add it to path
 @mrcyjanek [actually, you can use them natively if you make ~/bin and add it to path], sure, you can dump static things in your home dir and run them too
 But I don't get the point of using terminal apps on phone, yea it's cool to to have some things available but there's no legit use case for that
 that's just a phone
 @mrcyjanek [But I don't get the point of using terminal apps on phone, yea it's cool to to h …], vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub
 @dohbee [vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub], I'm not a fan of vim, but yeah git and nano is helpfull ;p
 i do that on android already too
 @dohbee [vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub], [Edit] I'm not a fan of vim, but yeah git and nano is helpful ;p
 @dohbee [i do that on android already too], seabass would be cool if it had ability to increase font size
 @mrcyjanek [I'm not a fan of vim, but yeah git and nano is helpful ;p], well, my emacs config probably won't work well without x11 :)
 @dohbee [vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub], Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard
 @dohbee [well, my emacs config probably won't work well without x11 :)], oh...
 Keyboard specially for terminal
 two bots are talking to each other
 @ItsMeShouko [Keyboard specially for terminal], Um..? I don't see any problems with current keyboard
 @ItsMeShouko [Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard], if i'm going to use a terminal on a phone seriously, OSK won't cut it. time for bluetooth keyboard
 except for missing `~` character
 @mrcyjanek [Um..? I don't see any problems with current keyboard], Um I mean lots of keys are hard to reach since we need to switch them
 @ItsMeShouko [Um I mean lots of keys are hard to reach since we need to switch them], a matter of habit
 anyway, banned. i'm done with that person's nonsense
 @mrcyjanek [a matter of habit], Maybe you're right
 But yeah, something like `hacker's keyboard` from android would be cool, to have also `ctrl` on keyboard
 oh and one more thing on phones with 21:9 screens...
 @ItsMeShouko [Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard], ut keyboard is much nicer that fingerterm
 (Photo, 2340x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/ZZeZ811C.png
 themes are nicer and theres more settings
 @mrcyjanek [<reply to media>], It's unusable in landscape mode
 i just need to find time to render/print the parts for this keyboard, and build the electronics, and write the firmware, so i can have the ultimate portable bluetooth keyboard
 @mrcyjanek [<reply to media>], Ooof can you even type like that on a modern smartphone?
 Very painful exp.
 @ItsMeShouko [Ooof can you even type like that on a modern smartphone?], I can't
 @ItsMeShouko [Ooof can you even type like that on a modern smartphone?], just use portrait
 But sometimes when/my/path/is/long/in/terminal I have to rotate my screen
 or to simply use nethogs
 @joeth [just use portrait], That's not the solution I want
 nethogs?
 (Photo, 712x416) https://irc.ubports.com/iP5sOI2R.png
 in portrait it looks like this:
 (Photo, 371x542) https://irc.ubports.com/PP02umyQ.png
 Oh I see
 (Photo, 640x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gaQGsPNi.png works in portrait on postmarketos
 @joeth [<reply to media>], font size
 @mrcyjanek [font size], i guess
 Ofc it is the font size I'm 999999% sure, it increases the column size and so makes more space
 I don't remember whether I asked or not, but is it possible to enable notifications from sites in morph?
 @Jaymz665 [I don't remember whether I asked or not, but is it possible to enable notificati …], Nope, at least not yet, push notifications are a bit of a tricky one when it comes down to notifications well in general I think?
 I think it's not really push notification but the banner that browsers display as notification … anyway, that's not working in morph yet. Not sure if QtWebEngine even supports it already
 Webpush is a little more interesting than that, but it is indeed not supported in Morph Browser
 https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/push-notifications/web-push-protocol
 @UniversalSuperBox [Webpush is a little more interesting than that, but it is indeed not supported i …], are there plans for implementation?  I really need web notifications, since morph for me is the main application :-)
 Not at the moment
 But if you're interested in seeing how it could be hooked up (for battery purposes, it might require looking in the device-wide push client rather than the browser) I'm game
 @Jaymz665 [are there plans for implementation?  I really need web notifications, since morp …], It would need to run the browser in the background when the device is sleeping, is that what Android does?
 Or did they split it off into a listener component?
 It actually works remarkably similarly to Ubuntu-Push
 Don't tell anyone, but I did a bit of reading during my vacation
 I would like to just receive notifications at least when I turn on the browser, that would be good.  How it works on android, I cannot say, since I have not studied this issue
 @UniversalSuperBox [It actually works remarkably similarly to Ubuntu-Push], Well so far services need to use our gateway, would that be the same for web push?
 I'm sure that QtWebEngine could be coaxed into sending notifications, but I don't think that's the way we should spend our time implementing it. Then the browser would need to run in the background all the time or would only get notifications when it's running
 @Flohack [It would need to run the browser in the background when the device is sleeping, …], i think google actually uses firebase messaging for chrome
 @Flohack [Well so far services need to use our gateway, would that be the same for web pus …], Check the link I just sent
 The application server tells a push service that there's a notification, the push service handles delivering the notification to the device.
 but that is different from the serviceworker "push" notifications thing in web
 lol, that's just ubuntu-push's push-helpers.
 The push server sends a push message to the browser client, it dispatches the message to the service worker, the worker determines what to do.
 i'm pretty sure the serviceworker thing just keeps a chromium process running in background, and a socket open to the server in question
 Not according to MDN: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API#Push_concepts_and_usage
 Chromium does stay open in the background, but it is maintaining a connection to Firebase, not the app server
 Likewise, Firefox maintains a connection to Mozilla's push servers
 The app server is told to contact Firebase or Mozilla Push Service
 hmm
 It's pretty cool
 I'm pretty sure that is what allows Chrome on Android to handle push notifications without tanking battery life. It just hooks into the existing push client running inside the GMS
 Since GMS has the connection to Firebase already, it doesn't need to open a new one for every push subscription.
 well if that's true, i guess we could implement something in ubuntu-push and point things at our server then
 Yeah!
 sigh why did all these apps have to break with qt 5.12
 @dohbee [if i'm going to use a terminal on a phone seriously, OSK won't cut it. time for …], Agreed! Have to say the iClever portable folding blue tooth keyboards are all really nice and work excellently with UT (tested on OnePlus One and Meizu Pro 5)
 @ItsMeShouko [Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard], btw Fingerterm should be easy to port since it does not depend on Silica
 Noice
 @UniversalSuperBox [Yeah!], Is there a "Hello World" for web push I could use to try out things? We already have the Matrix customization in place, I would clone it to make an adapter for web push
 Ah like this lol xenial_-_fix-ut1556
 goood
 my keyboard
 [Edit] Ah like this lol https://github.com/vkarpov15/web-push-demo
 Stops registering the CTRL key when I am too fast. Its a gaming keyboard with n-key-rollover lol
 @Flohack what do I do if the Teleports window is empty on the desktop? This is for that grammar PR.
 @ahoneybun [@Flohack what do I do if the Teleports window is empty on the desktop? This is f …], Eh what do you mean empty? I will take over your PR if you like. pot file is autogenerated, you cannot change it directly. You need to change the strings in the qml and cpp files
 I did change the files though I would told I need to build it using clickable to build the application and pot file. The window is just white with a title bar. If you can share what you did I'm fine with you taking over the PR.
 I just want to learn so I can contribute.
 @ahoneybun [I did change the files though I would told I need to build it using clickable to …], well you just need to get` clickable build` to work. you dont need to actually be able to run it. Still it should work no idea whats wrong. did you start with `clickable desktop`?
 Yea I did the desktop option after running the commands I need. I can't use adb to push the app on the phone since the PinePhone has no android parts
 I think it builds fine. I have a different branch on my fork for a new PR.
 i really like UT's terminal, think i prefer it to sfos' fingerterm - but sfos does have a better 'terminal keyboard layout' or whatever its called
 but i think on either OS for any serious stuff to be done in a terminal a physical keyboard is a must
 dunno why, but terminals just require the whole screen IMO, having a keyboard bump up and take half of it up proper breaks it for me 😆


[09:05] <danialbehzadi> Hi. When I click on the "Run" button in Qt creator, it just says "No executable specified.", But I can run the qml file with "$ qmlscene Main.qml" in terminal. What's the problem?
[09:15] <greyback> danialbehzadi: you need to specify what gets run - go to the Project pane in QtC and explore the "Run" tab
[09:17] <danialbehzadi> greyback: It may sound stupid, but where is this QtC located?
[09:17] <greyback> danialbehzadi: QtC = QtCreator
[09:17] <greyback> sorry, was lazy in typing
[09:19] <danialbehzadi> greyback: In tools > Options?
[09:20] <greyback> danialbehzadi: no. Have you a project open?
[09:20] <danialbehzadi> greyback: yes
[09:21] <greyback> danialbehzadi: then look at the pane on the left of the QtC window - there should be a Projects button there
[09:21] <danialbehzadi> greyback: Yeah. I found it
[12:42] <chesedo> on the js scope api's page it says that the `get` method of `results` returns a string, number or object. Is an object also returned when the attribute is an array?
[14:14] <peter-bittner> oSoMoN: jdstrand mentioned you may be able to help me with issues related web apps and camera permissions. I've got a web app which refuses to allow access to the camera. The trust-store dialog doesn't pop up even though policy_groups are in the .apparmour file and the service works in a plain oxide browser. I've explained it in detail on the mailing list. https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18658.html
[14:16] <peter-bittner> This is the first critical problem. As soon as this is fixed I need to be able to tell the web view which camera to use. By default the rear camera is used, but this is impractical with the app which does video conferencing. The user won't be able to use the browsers Settings screen because I hide the address bar.
[14:30] <oSoMoN> peter-bittner, yes, I’ve seen both e-mails on the mailing list, will answer today, sorry for the delay
[16:05] <chesedo> davidcalle: maybe you can help me with the above ^^ about the api
[16:41] <vvein> hi
[16:41] <vvein> can someone help me with recompiling firefox?
[16:41] <vvein> I can't figure it out, how to add some flags to CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS
[16:42] <vvein> I tried APPEND in /etc/dpk/buildflags.conf; export CFLAGS in bash; settings DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND in debian/rules
[16:43] <vvein> still can't see anything during compilation
[16:43] <vvein> anything = any of my additional flags
[17:35] <popey> renatu: / bfiller want me to upload latest calendar including renatu's branch to the store, or should I wait for further fixes?
[17:36] <bfiller> popey: we need to wait
[17:36] <popey> ok
[17:36] <bfiller> popey: QA needs to test still and it requires some backend changes in silo 22
[17:36] <popey> ok
[17:36] <bfiller> popey: shooting for inclusion in ota10
[17:36] <bfiller> in the image
[17:36] <popey> awesome.
[17:36] <popey> including UI updates?
[17:37] <bfiller> popey: you mean the stuff nik90 working on?
[17:37] <popey> yes
[17:37] <bfiller> popey: if there is time, but don't think we'll block on that
[17:37] <popey> okay. thanks. that's what I expected
[17:48] <nik90> renatu, Hey, I just noticed that I cannot open "Repeats" or "Reminder" page from within the "NewEvent" page. I get the error that file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.calendar/0.4.latest/NewEvent.qml:720: TypeError: Cannot call method 'push' of null
[17:49] <nik90> renatu, I see that defined as pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("EventRepetition.qml"),{"eventRoot": root,"isEdit":isEdit}); ... not sure why it cannot find pageStack
[17:49] <nik90> any thoughts?
[17:55] <renatu> nik90, fix on the way
[17:55] <nik90> renatu, thnx
[18:00] <renatu> nik90, could you review it? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-event-creation/+merge/288326
[18:04] <nik90> renatu, on it
[18:12] <nik90> renatu, What's the need for this stack variable? I tried just using bottomEdgePageStack and it works when I open the NewEvent Page using the bottom edge, long-pressing on the week view to create an event etc.
[18:12] <nik90> renatu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15322416/
[18:12] <nik90> or in other words, I cannot find any scenario, where using just bottomEdgePageStack wouldn't work
[18:13] <renatu> nik90, editing a event does not set bottomEdgePageStack
[18:14] <renatu> nik90, editing a event uses the default pagestack variable
[18:15] <nik90> ah yes, you're right
[18:17] <nik90> renatu, top-approved.
[18:18] <nik90> renatu, btw in the new design spec, we still use Tabs. I also want to migrate to the new PageHeader as well. I talked to tim about bug 1539759 for another app and his suggestion was to define a tabs list of actions and then use that in leadingActionbar
[18:18] <nik90> with numberofactions set to 0. This will ensure that the hamburger (tabs) icon is always shown. The user will not notice any visual change
[18:19] <nik90> s/tim/t1mp
[18:20] <suebt> Hey, got one question about Oxide: Can you explain to me why one *has* to create a new WebView for a new view request directly in the onNewViewRequested handler? Or is there another way to handle this? If not, will this change in the future?
[18:20] <renatu> nik90, yes I am already doing that
[18:21] <nik90> ah ok
[18:21] <ahayzen> nik90, i talked to you about how we are setting the leadingActionBar.actions for the tabbar right?
[18:22] <ahayzen> think that was the same conversation with Tim :-)
[18:23] <nik90> ahayzen, I think so
[18:24] <nik90> ahayzen, although I remember t1mp distinctly saying that the leadingactionbar icon defaults to the hamburger icon
[18:24] <ahayzen> it does, if you provide it more than 1  ? IIRC
[18:24] <nik90> yup
[19:49] <ahayzen> t1mp, o/ Have you ever heard any issues about the PageHeader disappearing when changing head sections and the flickable property changing at the same time ? Also is there a way to do the old header.show() in the new header ?
[20:26] <peter-bittner> oSoMoN: I've added bug 1554202 for the webapp-container issue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1554202
[23:10] <t1mp> renatu: right, for the 'tabs' navigation, use the leadingActionBar. I replied on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1539759


[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <svij> morning dholbach
[07:48] <dholbach> hi svij
[08:20]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[08:41] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:55] <popey> hello
[08:57] <dholbach> hey popey
[09:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:20] <popey> hey czajkowski
[09:23] <czajkowski> welll I surrived the week
[09:23] <czajkowski> thank crunchy it's Friday
[10:35] <dholbach> balloons, you left canonical irc
[10:35] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: it's time for our biweekly update again
[10:35] <dholbach> please add the stuff from the last two weeks to the doc
[10:35] <dpm> thanks dholbach
[11:24] <czajkowski> balloons: has left canonical ?
[11:24] <dholbach> no
[11:24] <dholbach> IRC
[11:24] <dholbach> maybe just his bouncer
[11:24] <czajkowski> ahhh
[11:25] <czajkowski> :)
[11:26] <dpm> phew... :-)
[11:26] <czajkowski> would be one way to tell your boss you're no longer working for them :)
[11:27] <dpm> very subtle :)
[11:29] <czajkowski> would be a bit of a Ta Daaaa it's Friday here's a surprise
[11:29] <czajkowski> poor balloons is going to log on to some strange comments about him leaving canonical today and wonder what's gone on
[11:45] <dpm> :)
[12:39] <balloons> Ohh noes!
[12:39]  * balloons pinches himself to stop dreaming
[16:31] <dpm> balloons, popey, mhall119, davidcalle, friendly reminder about filling in the biweekly update doc, I'll resume sending the updates later on today
[16:31] <mhall119> dpm: link?
[16:32] <dpm> mhall119, it will take either of us the same time to find it in gdrive :)
[16:33] <mhall119> touche
[16:33]  * dpm hugs mhall119
[16:34]  * mhall119 hugs dpm :)
[17:16] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day and a great weekend too!
[17:17] <davidcalle> dpm: mhall119: balloons: popey: dholbach: Have a nice weekend o/
[17:17] <popey> o/
[17:17] <dholbach> you too!
[17:17] <balloons> bonné weekend davidcalle
[17:17] <popey> dpm: I am updating the doc, but in meetings, so it's sporadic
[17:38] <dpm> balloons, popey, davidcalle, mhall119_, are you done with edits to the biweekly update doc? If so, I'll go ahead and send
[17:38] <popey> dpm: i have one final edit
[17:38] <popey> 5 min
[17:38] <popey> am in meeting right now
[17:38] <dpm> sure
[17:38] <balloons> i am
[17:43] <popey> dpm: i was going to add a line about going to embedded world but changed my mind. Was going to link to this, so you have some pictures for your post to make it more interesting... http://imgur.com/a/FTeOX
[17:44] <popey> but it's up to you, I can't decide whether to put it in or not, and how to describe it
[17:44] <popey> oh, there's already a line, I'll just add it to that
[17:44] <popey> there, done.
[17:46] <dpm> ok :)
[18:25] <svij> "UbuCon.org website recovered after cloud outage" 'cloud outage' sounds funny.
[18:27] <jcastro> popey: alan!
[18:27] <jcastro> I just got an X1 carbon and it's pretty nice
[18:27] <jcastro> they're just about to announce the new gen of those as well
[18:31] <mhall119_> dpm: I am done, yes
[18:31] <dpm> mhall119_, no worries, I just sent the update
[18:32] <svij> dpm: I guess I can coordinate to add the ubucon europe websites subpages to ubucon.org, right?
[18:32] <mhall119_> svij: "UbuCon.org experienced clear skies" :)
[18:32] <svij> mhall119_: :D
[18:32] <dpm> svij, yeah :)
[18:32] <svij> dpm: great
[18:32] <dpm> they should be backed up now
[18:32] <svij> thanks to all to bring it back up :)
[18:33] <svij> should™
[18:33] <svij> I don't like that word :P
[18:34] <dpm> bbiab
[19:23] <popey> jcastro: oooh


[09:57] <philn> hi
[09:58] <philn> i'd like to associate my GPG key with another account, so i deactivated it in my settings and tried to activate it in the new account.. but launchpad tells me it has already been imported
[10:22] <siretart> gmb: does the launchpad bugzilla plugin automatically import upstream bugs to launchpad?
[10:23] <siretart> gmb: or phrased differently, now that xine-lib has the lp plugin installed, what has changed now?
[10:29] <gmb> siretart: Launchpad should automatically use the plugin API to import bug statuses and comments from the xine-lib bugzilla. However, to be sure that it is doing so we'll reset the bug watches and then run the bug watch checker against that bugtracker specifically.
[10:29] <gmb> At the moment importing bugs isn't enabled.
[10:30] <gmb> Since we need to be sure that syncing comments works properly before we enable full bug imports.
[10:47] <wgrant> Why are branches enveloped to all changes?
[10:48] <wgrant> Er, people enveloped to all changes on branches.
[10:48] <wgrant> Is it one of those rare instances of questionable rebus on Launchpad?
[10:52] <jamesh> rebus?
[10:56] <wgrant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebus
[10:56] <wgrant> jamesh: ^^
[10:57] <jamesh> wgrant: I still have no idea what you're talking about
[10:58] <wgrant> The portlet on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~fta/apport/apport/+merge/758
[10:59] <wgrant> These are strange times. One can unambiguously say portlet.
[10:59] <jamesh> okay.  That makes more sense.  It wasn't clear what you were talking about
[10:59] <jamesh> what page
[10:59] <wgrant> Sorry.
[11:00] <jamesh> It could probably do without the icon completely.
[11:01] <wgrant> It was meant to be added, but I don't think that's the right place.
[11:01] <wgrant> Let me find the bug...
[11:01] <wgrant> Bug #256546
[11:02] <wgrant> Hm, maybe it was just a coincidence, as that bug isn't assigned.
[11:15] <siretart> gmb: ah, so that means that I 'just' have to identify and maintain cross bugtracker links manually, but launchpad will sync comments autmatically between the bugtrackers, is that correct?
[11:17] <gmb> siretart: At the moment, someone has to create a bug watch in Launchpad for Launchpad to be able to do any communicating with the remote bug tracker. Once the bug watch is added, though, comment syncing should start automatically. The idea is that we bring this functionality in slowly so as to a) make sure that it works right on our end, b) make sure it works right on your end and - most importantly - c) make sure that it's working as effici
[11:18] <gmb> Launchpad should also, as of the next release, start telling remote bug trackers which bug on Launchpad links to which bug on that tracker.
[11:25]  * NCommander is away: This creature sleeps beyond the reaches of time itself
[11:25] <siretart> gmb: ah, I see. thanks!
[11:25] <gmb> np
[11:28] <philn> are there any issues with PPA? I uploaded a package but it doesn't appear on the PPA and i got no mail notification
[11:28] <wgrant> philn: How long have you been waiting?
[11:28] <bigjools> what he said
[11:29] <Hobbsee> philn: did you sign the package, with a key that's in launchpad?
[11:29] <philn> an hour or so
[11:29] <philn> Hobbsee: yes
[11:29] <wgrant> Oh, a Soyuz dev. This is good.
[11:29] <bigjools>  /o\
[11:29] <wgrant> I suspect that seeing the .changes may be of some utility.
[11:29] <bigjools> philn: which PPA did you upload to?
[11:30] <philn> ~elisa-developers package elisa-plugins-bad
[11:30] <bigjools> thanks, give me some time to go log hunting
[11:32] <philn> uploader was elisa-packager
[11:55] <philn> bigjools: i just did a new upload
[11:55] <elmo> 2008-09-01 09:45:08 ERROR   Unhandled exception from processing an upload -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17201984/hcV05rRmPW7aemY7u2CUW4vYgFe.txt (File elisa-plugins-bad_0.5.5-1ubuntu1~pp
[11:55] <elmo> philn: ^--
[11:55] <elmo> a2_source.changes is signed with a deactivated key 153061DE)
[11:56] <philn> ok, got a mail this time ;)
[11:56] <bigjools> thanks elmo
[11:57] <philn> latest upload failed because uploader is not an ubuntero
[12:40] <asac> mpt: i have a project on launchpad and now i want to make a release (not really a series). how do i do that?
[12:40] <asac> mpt: the peculiarity here is that the release is a tag-branch in bzr
[12:40] <wgrant> Releases are within a series.
[12:40] <asac> wgrant: let me check
[12:41] <asac> wgrant: "Add milestone" ?
[12:41] <mpt> asac, I don't really know
[12:41] <mpt> asac, but as wgrant says, I think you first need to make a series
[12:42] <mpt> then go into that series, and I think you'll find something for registering a release
[12:42] <asac> ok. i have a series: trunk ... now making a release would be like specifying which revision that is ;) ... but that doesnt exist
[12:42] <asac> oh yeah
[12:42] <asac> "register a release ";)
[12:42] <wgrant> That's likely what you want.
[12:42] <asac> lets see what happens next
[12:42] <wgrant> Much magic.
[12:43] <asac> either there is no way to link a revision or branch ... or that comes after i registered it
[12:43] <wgrant> Branches are linked to series.
[12:43] <asac> true. but what i want to do is to provide a tag or revision of a branch when making a release
[12:44] <wgrant> It may make sense for a release to be able to specify a tag.
[12:44] <asac> apparently thats not supported (yet)
[12:44] <wgrant> But I don't believe that functionality to be currently implemented.
[12:44] <asac> wgrant: well ... branches make sense too
[12:44] <wgrant> No, a series has a branch.
[12:44] <asac> personal preference might be ignorable
[12:44] <wgrant> A release should not.
[12:44] <wgrant> That fails to make sense.
[12:44] <asac> wgrant: theory and praxis diverge here ;)
[12:44] <asac> we have to cover a big use-caase:
[12:44] <wgrant> Why would one want a branch for something that will never change?
[12:44] <asac> http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/
[12:45] <asac> http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/ghex/tags/
[12:45] <asac> i mirror my branch for trunk development.
[12:45] <asac> but when i want to plumber a package for release i want to use the tag ;)
[12:46] <asac> thats why i hoped for that launchpad has a syntax like: lp:network-manager/release/0.0.2
[12:46] <wgrant> Tags are not branches...
[12:46] <lifeless> tags make sense for releases though
[12:46] <wgrant> They do.
[12:46] <asac> which would give me a branch of a release i have registered
[12:46] <asac> either tag
[12:46] <asac> or a "release" branch
[12:46] <asac> wgrant: i dont see any option to specify a bzr thing for release here
[12:46] <asac> neither tag, nor revision nor branch
[12:46] <wgrant> I don't believe there is one.
[12:47] <wgrant> Branch doesn't make sense.
[12:47] <wgrant> Tag or revision do.
[12:47] <asac> branch makes sense too ... for practical reasons
[12:47] <wgrant> But none seem to be options now.
[12:47] <lifeless> asac: in the lp model, branch == series, release == tarball
[12:47] <asac> like svn mirrors
[12:47] <asac> lifeless: true. thats fine, but that could be better integrated imo
[12:47] <wgrant> SVN tags don't make sense.
[12:47] <lifeless> asac: releases as revisions is in the datamodel, no UI for it
[12:47] <asac> like i want to bake a releas in launchpad ... i specify a tag or revision and then the tarball gets produced ;)
[12:47] <lifeless> asac: and tags are just revisions
[12:47] <asac> ok
[12:48] <lifeless> asac: I asked for that specific feature, kiko says no for now :(
[12:48] <lifeless> asac: but nag kiko - more voices more chance
[12:48] <asac> lifeless: too bad. would have helped me to easily do package releases
[12:49] <asac> i track packaging based on trunk by regularly merging
[12:49] <asac> and for releasee do a merge from the "release branch/tag/revision" ... whatever
[12:49] <asac> lifeless: ok thanks
[12:49] <asac> lifeless: you know if there is a bug for that?
[12:49] <lifeless> asac: no, I don't know
[12:50] <asac> ok ... i go directly to him then by next chance
[12:50] <lifeless> as far as using urls to svn; they map to bzr tags, so a bzr tag (actually revision is needed for immutability) is fine
[12:51] <asac> lifeless: they map to bzr tags?
[12:51] <asac> lifeless: i am looking at bzr-mirror.gnome.org
[12:52] <asac> hmm ... how can i list tags ;)
[12:52] <lifeless> bzr tags URL
[12:53] <asac> ah ;)
[12:53] <asac> i looked for bzr tag -l ;)
[12:53] <lifeless> why? :)
[12:53] <asac> lifeless: not sure where this idea comes from
[12:53] <asac> maybe git?
[12:53] <asac> ok that really works
[12:53] <asac> fine
[12:54] <asac> now i just need the feature to model a bzr release in launchapd ;)
[12:55] <asac> lifeless: bzr tags <empty> works ... but remove urls dont work here
[12:55] <asac> bzr tags http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/libmbca/trunk/
[12:55] <asac> bzr: ERROR: extra argument to command tags: http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/libmbca/trunk/
[12:55] <asac> ok ... there is no <URL> argument in help
[12:56] <asac> would make sense as a feature i think
[13:00] <lifeless> oh
[13:00] <lifeless> right, add that then :P
[13:00] <lifeless> as a bug
[13:15] <gour> LP admins are mostly over the pond?
[13:15] <No`> howdy launchpadders
[13:16] <No`> maybe it's a silly question: is there any way to automatically pull *every* branch linked to a project?
[13:16] <No`> let me explain
[13:16] <No`> I'm following a project, for example gwibber
[13:17] <No`> I can pull trunk, but it happens that the bleeding edge of gwibber might be in gwibber-experimental-stuff
[13:17] <No`> without browsing code.launchpad.net/gwibber, I am not informed that a new branch has appeared
[13:17] <No`> or, another way to put this: could it be possible to get notified whenever a new branch appears in a project?
[13:23] <jpds> No`: If you're on Ubuntu you can install the ubuntu-dev-tools package which has a script which does just that.
[13:23] <jpds> No`: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-dev-tools
[13:25] <jpds> No`: Forget that, I just remembered that get-branches only does teams, not projects.
[13:30] <No`> jpds: ah... Anyway, I think I have a solution... using the RSS feeds. It looks like you can have an RSS item every time a new revision has been pushed
[13:30] <No`> it's not precisely what I wanted, but that's a start
[14:08] <salgado> andrea-bs, ping (re: bug 263320)
[14:08] <andrea-bs> salgado: pong
[14:09] <salgado> hi andrea-bs.  I wanted to ask you a couple more questions about that bug and I figured asking them here would be quicker...
[14:10] <andrea-bs> salgado: great, thanks
[14:10] <salgado> andrea-bs, what was the expiration date you used?  and where do you see the membership listed as 'Expired 12h ago'?
[14:11] <andrea-bs> salgado: I've used 2008-09-01 (today) and here's the team: https://edge.launchpad.net/~beeseek-artists/+members
[14:12] <salgado> ah, I see.  it says that it expired 13h ago but the status is Approved
[14:12] <salgado> that's rather confusing
[14:13] <andrea-bs> salgado: yep, I assume that's because members are deleted daily
[14:14] <salgado> that's correct
[14:14] <salgado> we shouldn't say it 'Expires 13h ago' as that suggests it's expired already
[14:14]  * salgado files a bug
[14:15] <salgado> now we just need to wait until the script actually flags that membership as expired to see if a notification is sent
[14:16] <andrea-bs> salgado: can you run the script now?
[14:16] <salgado> andrea-bs, I can't, no
[14:17] <andrea-bs> salgado: no problem
[14:26] <gour> what is the usual admin-response-time for tasks such as creating project-group?
[14:28] <Hobbsee> gour: depends on if the stars align.
[14:29] <gour> Hobbsee: huh, then i'm in trouble :-D
[14:29] <Hobbsee> gour: if your question expires, then you can just reopen it a few times, until they get to it.
[14:29] <Hobbsee> gour: i've not done some stats on the invalid-no-response ones in a few months now.
[14:29] <gour> Hobbsee: cool. so it means one can expect to solve it during this lifetime
[14:30] <Hobbsee> it may be considerably faster.  but yes, unless you die tomorrow, or this week, it should definetly be done in this lifetime :P
[14:30] <gour> lol
[14:31] <gour> btw, there are quite a few requests for creating project-group. it would be nice to have some FAQ that it's not possible to 'upgrade' project to project-group and it will save some time for LP-admins
[15:00] <andrea-bs> gour: I've submitted bug #263630
[15:09] <No`> mrevell: howdy, master revell
[15:10] <mrevell> hello No`!
[15:10] <mrevell> No`: Thanks for your email. I've been away, which is why I haven't replied yet.
[15:11] <No`> mrevell: no problem, mate
[15:11] <No`> it was your request, not mine
[15:11] <No`> ;)
[16:01] <gour> nice addition to FAQ by andrea-bs...
[16:13] <gour> i'm not clear why the step "1. create the sub-projects you need;" is required when it is stated later that "Once your group has been created, you'll be able to link more sub-projects by yourself." or it means at least ONE sub-project is required?
[16:14] <gour> ...according to https://help.launchpad.net/FAQ/Draft1#How do I create a project group?
[16:21] <No`> you may be interested by: http://jehaisleprintemps.net/blog/en/2008/09/01/things-i-know-about-launchpad/
[16:22] <No`> (self pimping, but I wanted to write that for ages)
[16:22] <No`> and it's on topic :p
[16:28] <gour> No`: nice post ;)
[16:30] <gour> No`: do you recommend the same when the project(group) is split into several sub-projects?
[16:37] <gour> andrea-bs: nice add-on to FAQ?
[16:38] <andrea-bs> thanks gour
[16:38] <exarkun> When I run 'bzr pull', it says to run 'bzr upgrade' for better performance, but the repository is on launchpad, how can I upgrade it?
[16:38] <exarkun> or will launchpad automatically upgrade it eventually?
[16:39] <andrea-bs> exarkun: there are two ways: you can upgrade via sftp or you can upgrade your local branch and then push it
[16:39] <gour> andrea-bs: one question - http://rafb.net/p/s3zR9z90.html ?
[16:41] <andrea-bs> gour: actually I don't know... I've put this because admins always ask for the subprojects to be linked :)
[16:41] <andrea-bs> gour: I think that at least one subproject is needed
[16:43] <Adri2000> No`: you know that you don't need to be in the "bugsquad" team of a project to follow its bug reports?
[16:43] <gour> andrea-bs: hmm, ok. then i'm better creating one 'cause the present one will be rm-ed after project-group is created
[16:44] <andrea-bs> gour: actually you can rename the present project
[16:44] <andrea-bs> gour: I'll make this clearer ;)
[16:45] <gour> andrea-bs: thanks
[16:45] <No`> gour: dunno, I've never been in a project big enough to need it
[16:45] <No`> Adri2000: you mean "every bug of the project"?
[16:46] <Adri2000> yes
[16:46] <No`> ah didn't know
[16:46] <Adri2000> you don't need to be the "bug supervisor" contact or in the team being the "bug supervisor"
[16:46] <No`> where's it hidden?
[16:46] <Adri2000> you can just "subscribe to bug mail"
[16:46] <Adri2000> bugs.lp.net/<project>
[16:46] <gour> Adri2000: good to know - no need fo *-bug team
[16:47] <andrea-bs> gour: I've tried on staging.launchpad.net and I saw that project groups can also have no subprojects
[16:49] <gour> andrea-bs: thank you. i'll try to rename present project to new sub-project to save same admin :-)
[16:50] <andrea-bs> gour: sorry, but you can't rename a project without the help of an admin
[16:51] <gour> andrea-bs: yeah, i see now :-(
[16:52] <No`> Adri2000: nice. changing blog post right now
[16:53] <gour> andrea-bs: some (un)necessary complications
[16:55] <andrea-bs> gour: is it ok for you now? https://help.launchpad.net/FAQ/Draft1#How%20do%20I%20create%20a%20project%20group?
[16:57] <gour> andrea-bs: yeah. it's ok. it would be nice if i'd know it earlier
[16:57] <gour> andrea-bs: does the same apply to teams as well?
[16:57] <gour> i.e. can one rename the team without admin?
[16:57] <andrea-bs> gour: let me check
[16:58] <andrea-bs> gour: you can rename it by yourself only if the team doesn't have a mailing list
[16:59] <gour> andrea-bs: cool. it's good that i did some upfront thinking :-)
[17:05] <gour> andrea-bs: what could be the reason for "The name 'bvj-admin' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators" ?
[17:05] <andrea-bs> gour: I don't know... you should ask an admin
[17:08] <ara> hello, all, I have a quick question. is there a way to set someone as the bug supervisor for an ubuntu package?
[17:08] <Adri2000> gour: you're trying to register that name?
[17:09] <Adri2000> ara: bug supervisor no, but bug subscriber yes
[17:09] <ara> Adri2000: thanks :)
[17:09] <gour> Adri2000: team
[17:10] <Adri2000> gour: probably all *-admin are blocked
[17:10] <gour> Adri2000: hmm, then No`s post is meaningless :-)
[17:13] <salgado> gour, all names which end in '-admin' are blocked
[17:14] <gour> salgado: i see. thanks
[17:14] <salgado> reserved, actually
[17:14] <gour> heh, same for end-users ;)
[17:14] <Adri2000> salgado: that doesn't apply for already registered teams/users it seems?
[17:16] <salgado> Adri2000, it doesn't seem to
[17:20] <Adri2000> salgado: btw is it intended that searching people/teams for "-whatever" actually shows all people/teams? I guess that's what happened but can't reproduce now as it's always timeouting
[17:20] <Adri2000> (edge)
[17:25] <salgado> Adri2000, that's because '-foo' is interpreted as "all names not containing foo"
[17:31] <Adri2000> salgado-lunch: but I'd say it's the a bug that it tries to show everything - anyway, how can I search for "-foo" then?
[19:05] <joaopinto> Hello, how do I ask for a project removal ? I am the Maintainer
[19:07] <jpds> joaopinto: You could file a question for it at: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[20:31] <mdke> 4~/win 13
[20:31] <mdke> gah
[21:55] <Kaivalagi> hi all
[21:56] <mwhudson> hello
[21:56] <Kaivalagi> I have a couple of questions about PPA's on launchpad
[21:57] <Kaivalagi> feeds - would it be possible to have an rss feed for PPA's similar to what is available for code revisions? I would like to publish my PPA's version release info onto my site...
[21:59] <Kaivalagi> displaying the changelog along with the package would be really useful
[22:00] <mwhudson> that sounds like it should be possible
[22:00] <mwhudson> file/look for a bug report?
[22:00]  * mwhudson is not a PPA person
[22:00] <beuno> bigjools, ^
[22:01]  * bigjools is close to going to bed, however
[22:01] <bigjools> we're not planning on doing that sort of thing but feel free to file a bug
[22:02] <Kaivalagi> okay I'll log a bug for it
[22:02] <beuno> bigjools, g'nigh bigjools
[22:02] <bigjools> Kaivalagi: thanks
[22:02] <bigjools> beuno: and thanks :)
[22:04] <Kaivalagi> the other question was more of a long term one, currently the preferred packaging arrangement to get projects into the ubuntu universe is REVU, will this continue to be the standard or do you see an easy migration path from PPA to universe solely in launchpad?
[22:05] <beuno> Kaivalagi, I see the PPA -> Archive migration happening at some point
[22:05] <beuno> it has been discussed
[22:05] <bigjools> at some point we'll be able to do copy packages from PPAs, yes
[22:05] <Kaivalagi> it does seem a big long winded at present...it would be great for everything to be centralised :)
[22:06] <Kaivalagi> I'll keep a look out for any news...any feeds worth subscribing to to get this sort of info through?
[22:09] <bigjools> keep an eye on the usual LP announcements
[22:16] <Kaivalagi> alrightly, will do...for now I'll stick with providing my packages outside of the universe...
[22:16] <Kaivalagi> thanks bigjools
[22:16] <Kaivalagi> thanks beuno
[22:17] <beuno> Kaivalagi, :)
[22:18] <Kaivalagi> bye all


[15:31] <sense> good afternoon
[15:33] <bilalakhtar> good evening, sense
[15:33] <sense> hi bilalakhtar
[15:33] <bilalakhtar> sense: an indication f the different time zones in which we are spread out :)
[15:34] <sense> indeed
[16:50] <klattimer> davidbarth: I have a patch for an ibus bug that needs sponsoring/releasing, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/637671
[16:51] <klattimer> kenvandine: maybe you can push the above through?
[16:51] <kenvandine> klattimer, sure
[17:19] <davidbarth> klattimer: on a call, one moment
[17:19] <klattimer> davidbarth: kenvandine seems to be handling it
[17:45] <davidbarth> klattimer: pong, back
[17:47] <davidbarth> klattimer: right, for sponsoring, kenvandine is your man, or seb128
[18:43] <hyperair> hmm i can't use space to activate a menu without closing it any more
[18:43] <hyperair> =(
[18:46] <hyperair> and notify-osd is cropped.


[00:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: Package: project-neon-kdegraphics misses shlib deps
[00:33] <Riddell> but otherwise works stunningly well
[00:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: we should really big up this project neon, it's awesome
[00:34] <Riddell> how often do packages get rebuilt?
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> bleh @ #ubuntu+1 redirect
[04:52] <ScottK> rdieter_work: I don't recall if you found our patch to disable the experimental ARB_fragment_shader in mesa.  Turns out it's a trivial patch.  Here it is in case you didn't get it sorted already: isable the experimental ARB_fragment_shader
[04:52] <ScottK> oops
[04:52] <ScottK> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/mesa/maverick/annotate/head:/debian/patches/104_i915_fragment_shader_disable.patch
[04:52] <ScottK> There it is.
[08:24] <afiestas__> Riddell: yes, sorry for that :( (the catalog bug)
[09:21] <apachelogger>  kword : Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:2.2.82-0ubuntu1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:21] <apachelogger>          Depends: libkio5 (>= 4:4.5.2a) but 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu7 is to be installed
[09:21] <apachelogger> kaboom
[09:21] <apachelogger> ...someone did a bogus build...
[10:17]  * apachelogger broke his system while trying to find the cause of a freeze -.-
[10:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, btw, about that weird paintaing bug I was talking about the other day .... it seems my most favorite browser of them all is causing it
[10:18] <apachelogger> I can reproduce it every time by having rekonq as active window, switch to VT and back
[10:19] <apachelogger> of course that still doesnt rule out a bug in the driver
[10:19]  * apachelogger notes that mav's X has made nothing but trouble for apachelogger
[10:30] <apachelogger> oh
[10:30] <apachelogger> I did wrong
[10:30] <apachelogger> raster seems to be at fault
[10:30] <apachelogger> however I am not entirely sure how it plays into that
[10:31] <apachelogger> FTR: it also happens with arora
[11:02] <apachelogger> hm
[11:03] <apachelogger> seems something makes rekonq run against a wall and hit its head so badly that it does not work no more
[11:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: erm, i uploaded koffice packages, installed fine for me
[11:41] <shadeslayer> and lex verfied the packaging
[11:41] <apachelogger> sure if you happen to have 4.5.2a installed :P
[11:42] <shadeslayer> what do you have? 4.5.1 ?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:42] <shadeslayer> ohh
[11:42] <shadeslayer>  libkio5 (>= 4:4.5.2a)
[11:42] <shadeslayer> also, passport dispatched from embassy \o/
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ive lost my packaging foo :(
[11:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you fix or should i upload a update?
[11:46] <apachelogger> please upload
[11:46] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:52] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[11:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think ive found the code you mentioned http://pastebin.com/Qw24X8vR
[11:52] <shadeslayer> thats it right?
[11:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does it do what you want to do? ;)
[11:55] <shadeslayer> idk im looking at what it does ... then code it into rekonq
[11:56] <shadeslayer> also... i have no idea why clicking a link in rekonq opens up konqueror -.-
[11:56] <Riddell> hi ROSHA, thanks for doing the last-minute banner on sunday
[11:57] <ROSHA> Riddell: your welcome :)
[11:57] <Riddell> ROSHA: if you're looking for artwork to help with we have a bunch of web pages that need updating, e.g. the wiki.kubuntu.org theme or the release pages or shipit all need updated with new logo and matching our website (http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/)
[12:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: sure...
[12:03] <ROSHA> Riddell: im working on it tonight :)
[12:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: konqueror wont start apturl when i type apt:rekonq in url bar
[12:17] <shadeslayer> same error as yesterday.. the %u thing
[12:18] <shadeslayer> and when i added http://pastebin.com/gjuFLnta to rekonq, same error pops
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:klauncher said: Error loading 'apturl %u'.
[12:21] <shadeslayer> well it works ... rekonq can now handle magnet links, but still have ^
[12:22] <apachelogger> works here
[12:23] <shadeslayer> and now rekonq puts ftp handling to dolphin
[12:23] <shadeslayer> which is awesome
[12:24] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ive made alot of code redundant in rekonq i think using those 3 lines, i just lost file browser handling
[12:25] <shadeslayer> something is wrong in my system
[12:25] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[12:26] <Riddell> 4000 unread e-mails to go
[12:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm what could be wrong?
[12:30] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/3MNOAlLt.html
[12:32] <apachelogger> kbunny is a different story
[12:32] <apachelogger> ...
[12:32] <shadeslayer> meh .. stupid rekonq/konqueror
[13:03] <sheytan> Hey
[13:03] <sheytan> Will we have something like in Ubuntu for testing 5.1/7.1 spearkers systems?
[13:04] <sheytan> same thing is for kmix. Before maverick i had sliders for all of my speakers (front, side, center, etc)
[13:04] <sheytan> now i've only got one ;D
[13:08] <Riddell> sheytan: yes, it's in KDE Platform 4.6
[13:09] <sheytan> Riddell cool, thank you :)
[13:18] <Riddell> 3000 unread e-mails to go!
[13:22]  * Nightrose notes that Riddell can handle about 1000 emails in 1h
[13:22] <Nightrose> impressive
[13:22] <Riddell> when I do get round to reading them I'm fast :)
[13:22] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:10]  * apachelogger gave up reading mails
[14:10] <apachelogger> they just keep on coming it is sort of depressing
[14:11] <Riddell> that's why I've resorted to batch processing
[14:12] <dasKreech> Select all -> delete
[14:13]  * Riddell down to 1000 unread e-mails!
[14:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, sorry for late response, school etc.
[14:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: I was planning to get it rebuilt every week or two
[14:17] <Quintasan> daily rebuilds are too much I think
[14:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: how does a rebuilt get triggered?
[14:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think we need to trigger it
[14:27] <Quintasan> I set it to build weekly but I usually forget the revision number -_-
[14:28] <Quintasan> We will have builds for two most recent releases
[14:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: any idea how to write a funtion in zsh to execute bzr pull for each directory in work/*?
[14:42] <al> for i in work/*; do pushd "$i" && bzr pull; popd; done
[14:42]  * apachelogger hands Quintasana phonon
[14:43] <al> s,\*,*/,
[14:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: why are you giving me a phonon?
[14:46] <Quintasan> I already have one
[14:48] <apachelogger> got to much phonon in my arse, quite the pain...
[15:11] <sheytan> IDEA: make java independent from firefox for kubuntu 11.04 :)
[15:12] <yofel> what does java have to do with firefox?
[15:47] <apachelogger> who was whining to me about amarok randomly stopping playback with phonon-vlc?
[17:19] <nixternal> open source software sucks! it isn't any more secure than proprietary software! free software really isn't free!
[17:19] <nixternal> these are the 3 things I heard on my recent interview with an amazing company
[17:26] <Riddell> gosh, time to give up on the whole freedom thing then
[17:27] <nixternal> hehe, right
[17:27] <nixternal> how can someone read my resume, then have the balls to talk trash like that?
[17:27] <nixternal> i think they were trying to see how my temper was. i controlled it
[17:27] <nixternal> but what they didn't see, was me keying their cars in the parking lot and slashing their tires :p
[17:34] <nigelb> nixternal: o.O seriously?
[17:34] <nigelb> anyway, now the internets know you did it :p
[17:44] <nixternal> that's why I don't support public channel logging :D
[18:07] <debfx> apachelogger: I complained about that a few months ago
[18:07] <apachelogger> fix0red
[18:08] <debfx> oh, nice :)
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ok so i have a EC2 server for a hour, do you guys want to do anything ? :D
[19:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i just upload with version bump and it builds against 4.5.1 right?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ( koffice )
[19:41]  * shadeslayer runs around skreaming
[19:41] <shadeslayer> X is taking 40 %
[19:41] <shadeslayer> why doesnt it just kill my system -.-
[19:41] <apachelogger> of what?
[19:42] <apachelogger> the universe?
[19:42] <apachelogger> our lifes?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> my system
[19:42] <apachelogger> oh
[19:42] <shadeslayer> CPU time ofcourse
[19:42] <apachelogger> I was scared for my soul there for a moment
[19:43] <apachelogger> that was promised to someone in exchange for supremacy
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: question on koffice still pending
[19:44] <apachelogger> yes
[19:44] <apachelogger> no
[19:44] <apachelogger> maybe
[19:44] <apachelogger> surely
[19:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://10.cloud.ubuntu.com/ : see that as well
[19:45] <apachelogger> is it pr0n?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:45] <apachelogger> misrenders
[19:46] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[19:46] <apachelogger> looks boring
[19:46]  * apachelogger continues doing fun things
[19:47] <shadeslayer> i wonder what happens to my instance when pbuilder is building a package
[19:48] <apachelogger> what instance?
[19:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ive uploaded a new version, it should build against 4.5.1
[19:48] <shadeslayer> EC2 instance
[19:48] <apachelogger> that reminds me, I need to do my object oriented design stuff things
[19:48] <shadeslayer> i have 5 mins left :P
[19:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have so no idea what EC2 is
[19:48] <apachelogger> must be boring stuff too
[19:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
[19:49] <apachelogger> the short version?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> Elastic Compute Cloud
[19:49] <apachelogger> that sounds like seriuosly weird pr0n
[19:49] <apachelogger> anyhow
[19:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have to pay for that?
[19:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: canonical is footing the bill for one hour
[19:50] <shadeslayer> so you get a EC2 machine for one hour right now.. absolutely free
[19:50] <apachelogger> for what?
[19:50] <apachelogger> I mean
[19:50] <apachelogger> where are they going with that?
[19:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's just a taster session
[19:51] <shadeslayer> trial if you may say :)
[19:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: in the hope that when you start to use EC2 for real stuff you'll use ubuntu on it
[19:51] <apachelogger> ah
[19:51] <Riddell> and at 0.08USD an hour, it's costing canonical too much :)
[19:51] <shadeslayer> oic this is what happens : Broadcast message from root@domU-12-31-39-07-89-F2
[19:51] <shadeslayer> (unknown) at 18:51 ... The system is going down for power off NOW! Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed by remote host.
[19:52] <Riddell> it's not costing..
[19:52] <apachelogger> EC2 is 0.08/hour :O
[19:53] <Riddell> I used it for building much of 4.5.2, cost about $2 in total for a day's use of several machines
[19:54] <apachelogger> I see
[20:15] <sheytan> yofel you can't install java without firefox
[20:19] <shadeslayer> sheytan: you can..
[20:19] <shadeslayer> i have
[20:19] <shadeslayer> use openjdk ?
[20:19] <sheytan> shadeslayer will it work in rekonq/chrome/
[20:19] <sheytan> ?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:21] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://imagebin.ca/view/ybtWtH3s.html
[20:21] <shadeslayer> i so hate kde right now
[20:22] <apachelogger> oho
[20:22]  * apachelogger is pretty sure sheytan wants to make some kubuntu presentation template thing stuff foo rainbow unicorn
[20:22] <shadeslayer> whenever i open rekonq chrome opens a tab with /var/cache/kde/foo url
[20:23] <Tscheesy> apachelogger: any news at the kubuntu-docs - Front ?
[20:23] <sheytan> apachelogger more info please :)
[20:23] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: was there news expected?
[20:23] <sheytan> shadeslayer removing firefox wants to install 40 packages :D
[20:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw how do you check if a KUrl is pointing to a local dir/file ?
[20:23] <Tscheesy> hm-- in lucid yes.. nowadays not anymore
[20:23] <shadeslayer> sheytan: lol
[20:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: you know a presentation design thing one can use for kubuntu presentations
[20:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: surely there is something isLocalish()
[20:24] <apachelogger> eh
[20:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[20:24] <Tscheesy> apachelogger: users missing the l18n for kubuntu-docs
[20:24] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://pastebin.com/rR2Egw2z
[20:24] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: uh, dunno, you should talk to dpm about that I suppose
[20:25] <sheytan> apachelogger well, i start my new job tomorrow, so i can't promisse i'll finish it in this week ;)
[20:25] <apachelogger> sure, whenever you get to it....
[20:25] <shadeslayer> sheytan: what language is that in :D
[20:25] <shadeslayer> ok i can read what it wants to install tho
[20:26] <sheytan> shadeslayer polish, the first one says 'to remove' 2nd- 'to install' ;)
[20:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: klingon
[20:26] <apachelogger> :P
[20:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hahaha
[20:26]  * apachelogger totally would digg a klingon version of kubuntu
[20:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-klingon
[20:26] <shadeslayer> and http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-klingon#hl=xx-klingon&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=756&q=Kubuntu&btnG=GoogleDaq+yInej&fp=ae59aff5dacbc858
[20:26] <Tscheesy> apachelogger: i expect it a general problem
[20:27] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: that is why you should poke dpm about it
[20:27]  * apachelogger is not really involved with docs translations foo
[20:27] <shadeslayer> sheytan: meh... gnomey stuff
[20:27] <apachelogger> gnome?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> look at how they name their libraries ... libsoup
[20:27] <sheytan> shadeslayer can i get rid of it?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> sheytan: if apt-get wants to install them, i wouldnt
[20:28] <apachelogger> http://www.lubasf.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gnome.jpg
[20:28] <sheytan> shadeslayer apt-get wants too
[20:28] <sheytan> ;//
[20:28] <shadeslayer> now why would it want to install gnome-doc-utils
[20:30]  * apachelogger just finished repairs on his space ship
[20:30] <apachelogger> hooray
[20:30] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what does it run on?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Plasma? :D
[20:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if it were that would have explained why it broke down ... :P
[20:31] <shadeslayer> ;P
[20:31] <shadeslayer> whee krunner froze
[20:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aha! pinotree says my issue is a known regression
[20:37] <apachelogger> who is regressing?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> KDE
[20:37] <apachelogger> omg!
[20:37] <apachelogger> why are they doing that
[20:37] <shadeslayer> no idea :P
[20:37] <apachelogger> silly
[20:37] <apachelogger> also I have no idea what you are talking about
[20:37] <apachelogger> are we still talking about space ship engines?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253414
[20:38] <shadeslayer> my stupid browser issue
[20:38] <apachelogger> ah
[20:38] <apachelogger> ic
[20:38] <apachelogger> well, see, it works for me :P
[20:38] <shadeslayer> you have 4.5.1
[20:38] <apachelogger> good thing we did not deploy with 4.5.2
[20:38] <apachelogger> :P
[20:38] <shadeslayer> thats why
[20:39] <shadeslayer> heh...
[20:39] <apachelogger> we should introduce a deploy-like-debian-policy
[20:39] <apachelogger> KDE 3.2.1 would have been more than suitable for maverick :P
[20:39] <shadeslayer> well.. i wouldnt go THAT far
[20:39] <shadeslayer> svn commit 1183317
[20:40] <shadeslayer> ill patch our packages
[20:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any idea where opensuse keeps its patches and such?
[20:54] <apachelogger> OBS
[20:55] <Riddell> which is always a faff to navigate
[20:55] <Riddell> but maybe they think the same about launchpad
[20:56] <apachelogger> actually OBS is much nicer to navigate once you got the idea
[20:56] <Riddell> can't say I've ever worked it out
[20:56]  * shadeslayer has no idea of OBS
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: first hit on a search for kdelibs https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=kdelibs&project=home%3Ariddell
[20:57] <shadeslayer> :>
[20:57] <shadeslayer> and the 4-5 hit is : https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=amarok-nightly-kdelibs&project=home%3Aapachelogger
[20:57] <Riddell> some long lost attempt to work out how to use it :)
[20:58] <apachelogger> well, you google for opensuse factory build service project
[20:58] <apachelogger> that should probably have an appropriate link somewhere
[20:58] <apachelogger> once on the project package you for example go to packages and there you just need to search to find all their current packages in the repo
[20:59] <Riddell> https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=kdelibs4&project=openSUSE%3AFactory
[20:59] <apachelogger> you end up there and there you just go to the source files tab
[20:59] <apachelogger> voila
[20:59] <apachelogger> if you want the history that is the tab next to it
[20:59] <apachelogger> and so forth
[20:59] <Riddell> it helps that you don't have to log in first nowadays
[20:59]  * apachelogger really finds OBS a much more coherent product for distribution development
[21:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, that was rather inconvenient :)
[21:01] <shadeslayer> hmm.. no patches that fix the krun issue
[21:02] <shadeslayer> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253414 and http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253294
[21:02] <shadeslayer> those should give me 2 patches, but i only have one
[21:02] <shadeslayer> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.5/kdelibs/kio/kio/krun.cpp?r1=1172681&r2=1183317&pathrev=1183317
[21:02]  * apachelogger sings wrong
[21:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why two patches?
[21:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pinotree said that there are 2 patches that fix that issue
[21:03] <shadeslayer> the one im having in 4.5.1
[21:03] <shadeslayer> erm
[21:03] <shadeslayer> 4.5.2
 known regression, ask your distro to backport the two fixes in their packages
[21:04] <shadeslayer> and then i got pointed to kde bug 253414
[21:05] <apachelogger> I am not sure I follow
[21:05] <apachelogger> but oh well
[21:05] <apachelogger> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=4_5_BRANCH.diff&package=kdelibs4&project=KDE%3ADistro%3AFactory&srcmd5=d1a8becf68fb73323a40d5f5b366d4ae
[21:05] <apachelogger> somewhere in there
[21:06] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1960358 ?
[21:06] <shadeslayer> just those 2 things?
[21:07] <apachelogger> ask dfaure?
[21:08] <sheytan> shadeslayer i saw your shot and the ubuntu font looks way better then for me. Can i see your settings?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> sheytan: huh?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> which shot?
[21:11] <sheytan> shadeslayer yesterday, a screenshot you showed of the 'open with' dialog window
[21:11] <sheytan> and the font looks better for you :D
[21:11] <shadeslayer> ohh
[21:12] <shadeslayer> everything is default here
[21:12] <sheytan> shadeslayer, well, mine should be too, but it looks different
[21:13] <shadeslayer> no idea what im supposed to give you here :P
[21:13] <shadeslayer> everything is default
[21:13] <sheytan> shadeslayer a screenshot of your settings please :D
[21:14] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://imagebin.ca/view/0-TxAM5.html
[21:15] <shadeslayer> how do i check if a KUrl points to a local dir/file?
[21:16] <sheytan> shadeslayer :( have the same and it looks different ;/
[21:17] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://i.imgur.com/Xl4ja.png
[21:17] <shadeslayer> sheytan: pastebin .fonts.conf
[21:18] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://pastebin.com/Zvc8HjJY
[21:19] <shadeslayer> sheytan: line 16, change to    <const>hintslight</const>
[21:25] <sheytan> shadeslayer nothing changed
[21:25] <shadeslayer> sheytan: did you restart?
[21:25] <sheytan> shadeslayer yes
[21:25] <shadeslayer> hmm.. no idea then
[21:26] <shadeslayer> try chaning to hintmedium
[21:26] <shadeslayer> maybe it helps
[21:26] <sheytan> ill try ;)
[21:26] <sheytan> thank you :)
[21:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you check if a KUrl is a local file?
[21:30] <trichard> hello, some yawp data engines don't work with KDE4.5 anymore. I noticed there's a new version on kde-look which says it fixes this problem. Is there any chance we can get this in kubuntu 10.10?
[21:30] <trichard> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-yawp/+bug/636338
[21:33] <shadeslayer> fix uploaded for my own issue :P
[21:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rekonq patch review : http://pastebin.com/XhLrkrEY