[00:44] <tsimonq2> bnoeafkUSA: This is maybe (possibly) the place, stick around and you'll get an answer. :)
[01:32] <balloons> bnoeafkUSA, you can get in touch with the Ubuntu Advantage folks to talk more about it.
[01:32] <balloons> bnoeafkUSA, have you had any contact with them?
[01:33] <balloons> bnoeafkUSA, basically it's for the Kernel, openssh, OpenSSL, and StrongSwan VPN packages
[01:35] <balloons> bnoeafkUSA, email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>who can provide more insight. Cheers


[00:45] <natea> erichammond: ping
[03:53] <natea> erichammond: i've got a quick question for you about the ec2-bundle-vol cmd


[16:00] <ahoneybun> morning folks
[21:13] <clivejo> can someone get Canonical to upgrade Wordpress
[21:14] <clivejo> nasty SQL injection
[21:16] <valorie> write to rt?
[21:17] <clivejo> bit busy at the minute
 @clivejo, CVE #?
[21:18] <wxl> might be they patched it
[21:19] <clivejo> tsimonq2: https://wordpress.org/news/2017/10/wordpress-4-8-3-security-release/
 @clivejo, I'll take care of it


[00:01] <nixternal> ok, been laying around the past couple of days quite ill, read the "Foundation of Qt Development" all the way through and danimo's "The book of Qt4"...I am ready to start hacking!
[00:02] <Jucato> aw... you feeling better now? :(
[00:02] <nixternal> I just realized, I have 5 books on Qt development
[00:02] <nixternal> no, still feeling pretty bad
[00:02] <nixternal> I come back to the puter for a few minutes once or twice a day
[00:03] <Jucato> :(
[00:03] <Jucato> don't read my post then... might make you feel worse
[00:03] <nixternal> to late :p
[00:03] <Jucato> but good for you you have 5 books :)
[00:03] <Jucato> all Qt 4?
[00:03] <nixternal> ya
[00:03] <nixternal> 4 C++ and 1 Python
[00:03] <Jucato> nvm the Python
[00:03] <Jucato> lol :D
[00:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[00:03]  * Jucato hides from mhb
[00:03] <nixternal> I am with you on that...I am still not a fan of it myself
[00:04] <nixternal> I have been doing project euler stuff with c++ and python, and c++ is just faster and easier to code for me
[00:04] <Jucato> it's not bad. but the python book I got seems to be crap for beginners... even though it claims to be for beginners...
[00:05] <Vorian> Jucato, the o'reiley one?
[00:05] <nixternal> Beginning Python?
[00:05] <Jucato> no. APress
[00:05] <nixternal> with all the GTK crap in it?
[00:05] <Jucato> Practical Python
[00:05] <nixternal> ya, I have that book and Beginning Python (Wrox publishing)
[00:05] <nixternal> both blow pretty hard
[00:05] <Jucato> heh :)
[00:05] <nixternal> the best Python book I have read thus far, is the damn PyQt4 book
[00:06] <nixternal> the first 3 chapters are purely python, and super easy to follow and pickup
[00:06] <nixternal> then again, every Mark Summerfield book is pretty good
[00:06] <nixternal> great, snow on the way, up to 8 inches
[00:06] <nixternal> not liking this
[00:06] <Jucato> I though the Practical Python book would be good, seeing that there seems to be really practical applications being taught in there... but the introductory parts of the book weren't that good... and those were the parts that introduced python for beginners
[00:06] <Vorian> yah, any Frank Herbert book is good too.
[00:06]  * Vorian hides
[00:07] <Vorian> nixternal, that's a crazy amount of snow... again
[00:07] <Jucato> snow...
[00:07] <Jucato> the only snow I have is on my wallpaper :D
[00:07] <Vorian> ha!
[00:07] <Jucato> er.. "desktop background"
[00:07] <Vorian> that's too bad :(
[00:08] <nixternal> we have been in the upper 40s all week pretty much
[00:08] <nixternal> I think the weather changing is what is killing me
[00:08] <Jucato> ah finally jjesse's blog is on the planet!
[00:08] <Jucato> nixternal: I'm vulnerable to that too :(
[00:09] <Jucato> luckily the weather the past days have been constant: warm/hot
[00:09] <Jucato> hottest Christmas evar!
[00:20]  * nosrednaekim wants snow! nixternal... blow some to the east coast!
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> actually, I retract that... I have a couple parties I want to go to this weekend.
[00:29] <cheguevara_> :P
[00:46] <mayeco> I'm runing the last hardy cd...
[00:47] <mayeco> you know that lost & found menu have too much crazy programs
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> mayeco: that usually happens with the alphas.
[00:47] <mayeco> ahhh ok
[02:33] <jjesse> ok question on compiling kde4, getting an error on kdepimlibs "ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config" runing as my primary user and i have sourced a .bashrc already
[02:40] <cheguevara_> jjesse: stupid check but you got kdelibs compiled?
[02:46] <Jucato> jjesse: "which kde4-config" ?
[03:08] <jjesse> cheguevara_: yes i got kdelibs compiled
[03:08] <jjesse> hrm nothing shows up for which kde4-config
[03:08] <cheguevara_> updatedb && locate kde4-config
[03:09] <Jucato> jjesse: maybe the correct KDEDIR hasn't been set...
[03:09] <cheguevara_> then check that wherever it finds it is under "env | grep PATH"
[03:09] <Jucato> (that too)
[03:10] <jjesse> pastebin for env
[03:11] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3065/
[03:11] <jjesse> locate pastebin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3066/
[03:11] <Jucato> jjesse: is kde4-config in kde/bin?
[03:12] <jjesse> Jucato: which kde/bin?
[03:12] <Jucato> /home/jjesse/kde/bin (presuming that's where you're installing KDE4?)
[03:12] <jjesse> in ~/kde/bin doesn't list kde4-config
[03:12] <Jucato> hm... that's a problem then...
[03:13] <jjesse> figured, i was able to install/build kdelibs
[03:13] <Jucato> maybe your kdelibs didn't build properly, or the correct env vars weren't set.. (do you have $KDEDIR set?)
[03:13] <cheguevara_> because that doesn't really need anythithing kde-wise, only  some support libs
[03:13] <jjesse> i source a .bashrc before i try to bid
[03:14] <jjesse> build
[03:14] <cheguevara_> lets see the .bashrc
[03:14] <jjesse> its the script from techbase
[03:14] <Jucato> cheguevara_: which doesn't need anything kde-wise?
[03:14] <jjesse> kdelibs doesn't need kde4-config
[03:14] <cheguevara_> kdelibs
[03:14] <cheguevara_> yeah
[03:14] <Jucato> yes. kdelibs creates kde4-config :)
[03:14] <cheguevara_> yeah :P
[03:15] <jjesse> this is the .bashrc i'm using http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc
[03:15] <Jucato> jjesse: those 3 lines are the only output of the "env" command?
[03:15] <cheguevara_> jjesse: if its the exact one then it should be fine, i used that just a week ago
[03:15] <cheguevara_> jjesse: are you following that guide to build/install it as well?
[03:15] <jjesse> cheguevara_: did you have to change anything on it to run/build as your primary user?
[03:16] <jjesse> cheguevara_: i'm using the guide on techbase
[03:16] <jjesse> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[03:16] <cheguevara_> jjesse: i actually created a new user like a good boy that i am :P
[03:16] <Jucato> he's using the guide to build kde4 not on a separate user, but on his primary (kde3) user
[03:16]  * Jucato nods
[03:16] <Jucato> I ain't so daring either :P
[03:16] <jjesse> full output of ENV  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3067/
[03:17] <jjesse> i had problems with KDE4 from the beta2 packags and people suggested i just build it myself to resolve those problems
[03:17] <Jucato> hm... looks ok...
[03:17] <jjesse> i guess i could just install the beta packages again
[03:17]  * Jucato wonders what went wrong...
[03:17] <jjesse> that are on kubuntu.org
[03:17] <cheguevara_> did you remove the previous packages
[03:17] <Jucato> rc2 you mean right :)
[03:17] <jjesse> yeah r2
[03:18] <nosredna_ekim> its a beta2.... ;)
[03:18] <Jucato> hush! :P
[03:18] <jjesse> cheguevara_: i had to because i was getting errors on soprano not being the right version
[03:18] <cheguevara_> jjesse: just create a new user, you'll make things easier for yourself
[03:18] <jjesse> cheguevara_: but i really liked the look and feel of kde4 :)
[03:19] <cheguevara_> yeah so create a different user and use it from there :P
[03:19] <jjesse> cheguevara_: i wastyring to use it as my day to day
[03:19] <cheguevara_> exactly 2 weeks left till final now :)
[03:19] <jjesse> i guess i can wait till final then
[03:19] <cheguevara_> i use mine as main main DE as well
[03:20] <cheguevara_> latest SVN is pretty good
[03:20] <cheguevara_> haven't crashed once yet
[03:20] <nosredna_ekim> rc2 has only crashed once for me.... and that was because of Krita
[03:21] <jjesse> i get crashes on my laptop all the time, screen freezes and won't respond, all the windows blur together, can't suspend, can't lock screen
[03:21] <cheguevara_> meh plasma in rc 2 died on me quiet a lot
[03:22] <cheguevara_> i wish novell would port knetworkmanager to kde 4 already
[03:22] <nosredna_ekim> jjesse: you have the blue plugin enabled?
[03:22] <nosredna_ekim> *blur
[03:22]  * jjesse doesn't remember
[03:22] <Jucato> http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1005960 <-- oh great, no-lts has reached linux journal...
[03:23] <nosredna_ekim> heh
[03:23] <Jucato> it's the most accurate article I've seen so far, though :D
[03:23] <nosredna_ekim> besides your's ;)
[03:24] <jjesse> i'm impressed on how much extr traffic i'm getting now that i added my blog to planet.ubuntu.com
[03:24] <Jucato> (except for the part that presumes that KDE 4 was planned for the LTS)
[03:24] <Jucato> it's the only traffic I ever get :P
[03:24] <cheguevara_> are we gonna have 4.0.1 or going straight to 4.1 ?
[03:25] <Jucato> 4.0 probably... when is 4.0.1 planned anyway? :D
[03:25] <Jucato> hey.... 4.0 isn't even out yet!!!
[03:25] <Jucato> :P
[03:25] <cheguevara_> yeah but i am worried about a bugfix release before April :P
[03:25] <Jucato> I guess it all depends... 4.0 or 4.0.1 with 3.5.8 or 3.5.9
[03:25] <cheguevara_> yeah 3.5.9 should come out soon i think
[03:25] <cheguevara_> and be the last :P
[03:25] <Jucato> it always depends on what KDE version is available at the nearest time to the release :)
[03:26] <Jucato> aw... I was looking forward to 3.5.22-14 :(
[03:26] <nosredna_ekim> heh
[03:26] <cheguevara_> yeah just thinking about kde people releasing 4.0, then getting all excited about getting in all those moules that missed the freeze and just concentrating on that again :P
[03:27] <Jucato> right... lunch :)
[03:27]  * Jucato wonders if there's a KDE alphabet soup... with K's only :D
[03:27] <cheguevara_> haha
[03:28] <ardchoille> hehe
[03:28] <cheguevara_> though kde 4.1 against qt 4.4 should be pretty impressive :P
[03:29] <jjesse> wow that email from Luka was awesome
[03:30] <nosredna_ekim> too long ;)
[03:45] <jjesse> Jucato: when you got a second can you review the adept guide (just for adept) for accuracy and send me a diff of any changes
[03:46] <jjesse> i love (american) college football bowl season
[03:46] <jjesse> a game almost every night :)
[03:46] <nosredna_ekim> football is boring..
[03:47] <jjesse> maybe you are boring :)
[03:47] <nosredna_ekim> Engineers aren't boring.... they just get excited over boring things...
[03:47] <nosredna_ekim> ;)
[03:49] <jjesse> and now he left :(
[03:49] <nixternal> he shall return!
[03:50] <jjesse> grumble why can't konqueror's spell check know how to spell KDE apps
[03:50] <jjesse> hello nixternal
[03:50] <nixternal> howdy
[03:50] <nixternal> ready for some more snow tomorrow?
[03:51] <cheguevara_> save some snow for EU already :P
[03:51] <nixternal> burritos + being sick == much worse
[03:51] <jjesse> are you getting it tonight?
[03:51] <nixternal> tomorrow
[03:51] <jjesse> that's what she said
[03:51] <nixternal> from 08:00 to 18:00
[03:51] <cheguevara_> lol
[03:51] <nixternal> 6+ inches
[03:51] <jjesse> that's what she said
[03:51] <jjesse> man i love the office
[03:51] <cheguevara_> haha
[03:51] <nixternal> except for the 6+ inches part
[03:51] <nixternal> ;p
[03:52] <jjesse> nixternal: you have mail from me
[03:52] <nixternal> uh oh
[03:52]  * cheguevara_ feels left out
[03:52] <jjesse> nixternal: also got several emails from soemone who wants to help out with kubuntu docs
[03:53] <nixternal> ya, I seen that on the -docs ml
[03:53] <jjesse> anyways after i emailed the list back he emailed me a couple of things and i got him working on stuff already
[03:53] <nixternal> groovy
[03:54] <nixternal> I am wondering if we should create kubuntu-docs-kde4
[03:54] <jjesse> we should
[03:54] <jjesse> don't tell matt :)
[03:54] <nixternal> I haven't talked to him in a while now
[03:54] <nixternal> I don't think he is all that active anymore really
[03:55] <jjesse> me either to both of them
[03:55] <jjesse> not since jsut after uds
[03:55] <nixternal> I think the last time I talked to him, it was still hot out
[03:56] <CheGuevara> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/ihascomeforu128415571375427500.jpg
[03:56] <jjesse> anyone seen the movie "I am Legend"?
[03:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:56] <nixternal> jjesse: I just bought it on DVD for $5
[03:56] <nixternal> and I must say, it is amazing
[03:56] <jjesse> the new movie w/ will smith or an old version?
[03:56] <nixternal> the new movie
[03:56] <jjesse> the one that is still in the theatre?
[03:57] <nixternal> i was at the mall yesterday and some dude driving around in a white van selling them stopped me
[03:57] <jjesse> haha
[03:57] <jjesse> that's awesome
[03:57] <jjesse> i saw it on IMAX
[03:57] <jjesse> and it was freakin unbeliveable
[03:57] <CheGuevara> nixternal: is it good quality?
[03:57] <nixternal> CheGuevara: like a real dvd
[03:57] <CheGuevara> oh yeah dvd screener is out
[03:57] <CheGuevara> thats why
[03:57] <jjesse> best part of the movie wwas the batman preview
[03:58] <nixternal> but you know with dvd screeners, how they usually have the stuff/timers on the bottom? this one didn't
[03:58] <nixternal> it was like if you bought a real dvd with the groovy menus and all
[03:58] <jjesse> wow thats crazy
[03:58] <nixternal> I have never in my life witnessed something like this
[03:58] <nixternal> he had a portable dvd player with him so you could witness the quality before you bought it...I about flipped
[03:59] <CheGuevara> nixternal: no text like  "This SECURE SCREENER is on loan for viewing by you, the member, it is DIGITALLY WATERMARKED."
[03:59] <nixternal> none whatsoever
[03:59] <CheGuevara> heh
[03:59] <CheGuevara> now thats weird
[03:59] <nixternal> ya it is
[03:59] <nixternal> I have seen tons of screeners before, but this one, if it was a screener and not a rip from a dvd at the movie theaters
[03:59] <nixternal> it was the real deal
[04:00] <CheGuevara> dvd at the movie theaters?
[04:00] <CheGuevara> you mean telecine?
[04:00] <nixternal> I have no idea what they use
[04:00] <nixternal> I remember one time a guy stole dvd's from the local theater and was selling them
[04:01] <CheGuevara> why would they have dvds in a theate, they don't project movies from dvds in a cinema :P
[04:01] <nixternal> I couldn't tell ya, I don't go to the movies
[04:02] <nixternal> there are better things to do with $8 these days
[04:02] <CheGuevara> lol neither do i
[04:02] <CheGuevara> but i know way too much then an average person about movie piracy
[04:02] <CheGuevara> lets just say i got a background :P
[04:02] <nixternal> haha
[04:03] <nixternal> where are you from again :p
[04:03] <CheGuevara> originally from Russia, lived in US, now in UK
[04:03] <nixternal> so where did you pick up your background? russia or NYC :p
[04:04] <CheGuevara> US, and no i wasnt selling dvds :P
[04:04] <CheGuevara> was in a scene group
[04:05] <nixternal> where at in the US did you live?
[04:05] <CheGuevara> cali
[04:05]  * jjesse beds talk to you all tomorrow :)
[04:05] <nixternal> groovy
[04:05] <nixternal> k'nite jjesse
[04:05] <CheGuevara> nite jjesse
[04:05] <CheGuevara> santa barbara to be exact
[04:06] <CheGuevara> the ocean was great :P
[04:06] <CheGuevara> unlike this damn wet and cold place lol
[04:44] <Jucato> jjesse: will do. but after the holidays I presume...
[04:46]  * Jucato takes a short nap to recharge before doing some "spring cleaning" :)
[05:07] <CheGuevara> awww
[05:07] <CheGuevara> plasma is taking 93% cpu
[05:32] <CheGuevara> good night
[06:28] <yuriy> ooh jjesse is on planet
[10:01] <dinosaur-rus> hi all
[11:29] <Tonio_> hi there
[11:29] <Tonio_> had a good christmas ?
[11:30] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_!
[11:46] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> I love that period in between christmas and new year's day
[11:46] <Hobbsee> why?
[12:05] <Jucato> peace, silence... nothing to do? :)
[12:05] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! hi Hobbsee!
[12:05] <Hobbsee> insane customers.
[12:06] <Jucato> :D
[12:06] <Jucato> Rule #1: The customer is always right. Rule #2: If the customer is wrong, see rule #1. :D
[12:07] <Hobbsee> rule #1:  the customer who claims to be right usually isnt.  rule #2:  see rule 1.
[12:07] <Jucato> hahah :)
[12:08] <Jucato> Rule #1: Whoever made the "customer is always right" rule is a git.  :o)
[12:53] <Jucato> nothing! I'm innocent I tell ya!
[12:54]  * Jucato wonders if we should be thinking of a Qt4/KDE4 substitute for Adept as early as now...
[12:54] <mhb> I thought we're using PackageKit
[12:54] <mhb> when it comes out.
[12:55] <mhb> (Hardy+1 hopefully)
[12:55] <Jucato> I hope it were something definite by this time... or we're in for a lot of trouble... unless kpackage becomes actively maintained again
[12:56] <Jucato> hm... does that depend on Ubuntu switching to PackageKit or not?
[12:56] <mhb> no idea.
[12:56] <mhb> probably.
[12:57] <Jucato> that's going to be the problem... if Ubuntu doesn't make the switch, we're kinda left hanging, unless we dare to move to packagekit by ourselves, or port adept (eww?) or use something else...
[12:57] <Jucato> ah... too much to think about as the year ends :P
[13:03] <wolfger> port Synaptic? ;-)
[13:04]  * Jucato shudders at Kynaptic...
[13:06] <Che> kynaptic
[13:06] <Che> Updated:  Apr 9 2005
[13:06] <Che> useless :P
[13:06] <Jucato> the app is useless in itself even during that time
[13:06] <Jucato> well not really useless
[13:07] <Jucato> you can install and remove. that's it. (irrc)
[13:07] <Jucato> iirc*
[13:07] <Che> heh
[13:08] <Che> does packagekit have a qt frontend yet
[13:08] <Jucato> yeah I think it does
[13:09] <Che> ah QPackageKit
[13:09]  * Jucato nods
[13:10] <Jucato> of course the frontend is less of a problem as the backend's support of DEB/APT
[13:13] <Che> aint there at least one person working on that
[13:13] <Che> as always rpm/yum have paid devs from suse and redhat
[13:13] <Che> and deb/apt doesnt :P
[13:13] <Jucato> but deb/apt has the geeks!!!!
[13:13] <Jucato> :D
[13:15] <Che> hehe
[13:52] <jjesse03> morning
[13:52] <jjesse03> left my laptop on at home and it keeps reconnecting :(
[13:53] <Hobbsee> how useful
[13:53] <Hobbsee> ssh?
[13:54] <jjesse03> hello Hobbsee
[13:54] <jjesse03> don't have open to my laptop
[13:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[13:54] <jjesse03> from work
[13:55] <jjesse03> how are you Hobbsee ?
[15:03] <mhb> hey folks
[15:04] <mhb> soo, how many of you tried the Oxygen cursor theme?
[15:07] <jjesse03> mhb: did you see that i added myself to planet.ubuntu.com ?
[15:07] <mhb> jjesse03: I have, that's great newss
[15:07] <mhb> sss :o)
[15:07] <jjesse03> thanks golem
[15:56] <nixternal> jjesse03: I see that Pearson is treating us like a step-child too
[15:56] <Jucato> Pearson?
[15:57] <Vorian> feeling any better today nixternal?
[15:58]  * Jucato hopes :)
[15:58] <nixternal> still kinda cruddy, but I gotta get through it today...gotta snowblow/shovel
[16:00] <dasKreech> Yo Jucato  :)
[16:00] <Jucato> yo dasKreech! :]
[16:00] <dasKreech> Sup?
[16:01] <Jucato> the ceiling (fortunately)
[16:02] <dasKreech> Need a small hurricane to take care of that?
[16:02] <Jucato> no thanks :)
[16:02] <Jucato> nixternal: who/what is Pearson?
[16:07] <dasKreech> Anyone on KubuntuDE4?
[16:08] <mhb> dasKreech: I was, but plasma went greedy again.
[16:08] <mhb> so I'm back at openbox until it calms down.
[16:08] <dasKreech> can you delete the ~Desktop Folder and logout/in ?
[16:08] <dasKreech> I wanna see if it gets recreated
[16:08] <dasKreech> or you know
[16:09] <dasKreech> mv it :)
[16:09] <mhb> I can do that later, not now though.
[16:11] <dasKreech> sure
[16:11] <dasKreech> If I'm offline just leave me a message
[16:19] <nixternal> Jucato: pearson are the book people for ubuntu
[16:19] <Jucato> ooh that one :)
[16:19]  * Jucato guessed so
[16:20] <Jucato> my C++ books is actually republished by Pearson and sold at a lower price for 3rd world countries (like mine)
[16:20] <Jucato> s/books/book/
[16:21] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: the politically correct ord for that now is "developing nations"
[16:22] <jjesse03> nixternal: ah well we've always only had one chapter
[16:22] <mhb> stop insulting yourself Jucato :o)
[16:22] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: same thing :P
[16:22] <Jucato> mhb: I'm not insulted :D
[16:23] <Jucato> I'm just 1 degree lower than Kubuntu (2nd class citizen :P)
[16:24] <mhb> I always travel 2nd class :o)
[16:24] <mhb> 1st one is for snobs anyway :o)
[16:26] <dasKreech> Jucato: class and world are towns apart!
[16:34] <nixternal> jjesse03: I am surprised that they are even keeping the chapter around..just annoying, that's all
[16:35]  * Jucato has stopped expecting any form of "commercial" equality for Kubuntu... lesson learned... the hard way...
[16:36] <Jucato> netsplit!! so glad I'm with nixternal! :P
[16:36] <Jucato> and jjesse03 :D
[16:36] <nixternal> Jucato: if Canonical doesn't want to create it, why can't we?
[16:36] <nixternal> Kubuntu with KDE 3.5 is a great commercial platform, if it wasn't, then I wouldn't expect us to have the larger and more profound rollouts
[16:36] <Jucato> we can. it's just going to take more effort if we do it ourselves :)
[16:37] <nixternal> and now look, Edubuntu has a huge rollout heading their way
[16:37] <nosrednaekim> doesn't edubuntu use alot of kde apps?
[16:37] <Jucato> unfortunately (and I don't see why/how), Canonical doesn't seem to see it that way...
[16:37] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: if you use the edubuntu-desktop-kde
[16:37] <Jucato> or maybe because our Kubuntu rollouts bypassed Canonical? (sort of?)
[16:38] <nixternal> but there are a few kde apps in edubuntu ootb iirc
[16:38] <Jucato> iirc the original edubuntu (back then) had lots of kde edu apps
[16:38] <Jucato> probably because KDE had more edu apps than anyone else
[16:38] <nixternal> ya, I haven't really played with edubuntu since Edgy I think
[16:39]  * Jucato hasn't played with it *at all* :P
[16:39] <Jucato> oh this is bs! my neighbor's dog has been um... whining(?) for the past hour or so...
[16:40] <Jucato> at 00:40, it's not so cute anymore
[16:40] <nixternal> lol
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: bullets put an end to that AFAIK.... ya'll eat dog over there don't you?
[16:42] <Jucato> now *that* is insulting :)
[16:42] <Jucato> we don't "all" eat dog. only some (brave souls) do
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[16:43] <nixternal> really? I didn't know that
[16:43] <Jucato> I can't even get myself to eat a goat...
[16:44] <Jucato> but right now, a bullet for that mutt isn't a bad idea.
[16:44] <dasKreech> nixternal: No they do use a lot of KDE apps
[16:45] <dasKreech> they were going to replace them with Gnome custom made apps
[16:45] <dasKreech> they gave up and just shipped two cds
[16:45] <dasKreech>  the edubuntu-desktop-kde is just to give you a KDE DE instead of a Gnome it's the same apps
[16:46] <dasKreech> Which reminds me I need to go do another edubuntu rolout
[16:55] <dasKreech> They cut the Kubuntu chapter out of the next book?
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[16:55] <dasKreech> The Buntu book
[16:58] <dasKreech> nixternal: did you say they are keeping the chapter or not keeping the chapter?
[17:00] <nixternal> they are keeping it
[17:00] <dasKreech> ah ok :)
[17:00] <dasKreech> they better
[17:00] <nixternal> jjesse03: added the kde4 directory under our bzr branch and copied over libs and about-kubuntu for the time being
[17:00]  * jpatrick watches as dasKreech moves for the kill
[17:01] <dasKreech> or be killed
[17:02] <dasKreech> Do we have  PPA build setup for KDE4 through Incontinent Iguana?
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> Incontinent Iguana>
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> what is that?
[17:02] <dasKreech> Hardy+1
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> :)
[17:03] <jpatrick> don't we have a build system?
[17:03] <dasKreech> is it detailed anywhere?
[17:03] <nixternal> it would be kind of hard to build for hardy+1 when there isn't even a toolchain yet
[17:04] <nixternal> those builds don't start until the week of UDS typically
[17:04] <dasKreech> nixternal: no I'm saying do we have a plan for how the build system will work?
[17:04] <nixternal> the same way it works now and has always worked I would be guessing
[17:05] <yuriy> dasKreech: pong
[17:05] <nixternal> right now, we don't even have a solid plan for hardy, so worrying or even thinking about +1 is a waste right now
[17:05] <dasKreech> yuriy: ping
[17:05] <yuriy> dasKreech: from like 4 days ago..
[17:05] <dasKreech> Someone mentioned adept and hardy so I pinged you to see if you were following
[17:05] <dasKreech> you were
[17:06] <dasKreech> just like 4 days behind the main group
[17:06] <yuriy> i got stuck on it on sunday, then was gone for a couple days
[17:07] <yuriy> dasKreech: https://code.launchpad.net/~yuriy-kozlov/adept/adept-cmake
[17:07] <dasKreech> If you are Yuriy Kozlov please log in for upload directions.
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> cmake works with qt3?
[17:07] <dasKreech> Ha ha
[17:07] <dasKreech> Why wouldn't it?
[17:08] <dasKreech> it's a make tool
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> dunno.... I thought it was for qt4 apps only.
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> but I guess not :)
[17:08] <Jucato> qt actually uses qmake :)
[17:08] <jpatrick> nop, it's multiplatform build tool for anything you can get it to be friends with :)
[17:09] <Jucato> oh wait... nvm.. :)
[17:10] <nixternal> cmake works with everything
[17:10] <yuriy> dasKreech: well it gives you the url to pull from (right?) if you're interested
[17:12]  * yuriy wishes konsole would keep .bash_history chronological
[17:12] <dasKreech> It doesn't?
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> does for me...
[17:13] <yuriy> when i log out with multiple konsoles open, the history is all the commands from one session, then all the commands from another, ...
[17:13] <yuriy> for each session they are in order
[17:13] <nixternal> ya, that is a pita
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> oh... yeah...
[17:13] <nixternal> each session creates its own history, but there is a hack for that
[17:14] <nixternal> I just can't remember where it is at
[17:14] <Jucato> I think that's "fixed" for Konsole 4... not really sure
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> konsole4 doesn't have transparency!
[17:15] <Jucato> hm?
[17:15] <Jucato> (that would be weird..)
[17:15] <Jucato> I think it's turned off by default, but it's there
[17:17] <dasKreech> yuriy: That's your fault :) flush them as soon as you press enter
[17:17] <dasKreech> it's a shop
[17:19] <jjesse03> mmm snowing out
[17:20] <dasKreech> jjesse03: are you doing the kubuntu chap again?
[17:23] <jjesse03> dasKreech: yes i am
[17:24] <Jucato> goodie :)
[17:24] <Jucato> good luck! :P
[17:24] <Jucato> (you'll need it)
[17:24] <jjesse03> and its extra fun with all of this kde 3 and kde 4 stuff
[17:24] <dasKreech> jjesse03: I'm on tap for proofreading
[17:24] <dasKreech> and tips
[17:24] <dasKreech> hanging in #plasma you pick up on stuff :)
[17:25] <fdoving> is there any usefull discussion in that channel?
[17:25] <Jucato> oh a chapter won't be enough for that. whole volumes will be needed :D
[17:26] <dasKreech_> Well the good thing about people not liking gutsy that much is that you can get people to jump to hardy easier :)
[17:26]  * Jucato still wonders if there's a guide or api docs for apt... or libapt-pkg and/or libept... whatever that is...
[17:26] <Jucato> and curse it sooner? :P
[17:27] <dasKreech> fdoving: Depends on what you call useful
[17:41] <dasKreech> this is the annoying part about FOSS
[17:41] <dasKreech> I never sleep
[18:42] <Jucato> http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9838094-39.html "Upgrade timing demotes KDE variant of Ubuntu Linux"
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> noooooo!
[18:43] <Jucato> oh I'm on the news!!!!
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> cool...
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> not a bad article..
[18:45] <Jucato> although it descends into that "there should be one DE to rule them all" argument which I so loathe :)
[18:46] <Jucato> oh well... time for bed
[18:46] <fdoving> yay, jucato on the news :)
[18:46] <nosrednaekim> yeah....
[18:46] <Jucato> fdoving: heh at least it's /. or digg :)
[18:46] <dasKreech> We should get him on the news as much as possible :-)
[18:46] <Jucato> ;p;
[18:46] <dasKreech> More blonts!
[18:46]  * dasKreech turns on CNN to see if Jucato turns up
[18:46] <Jucato> lol
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[18:47] <dasKreech> Ha ha I asked aseigo about one of his blonts and Sho_ was ecstatic that his coinage had momentum
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. has /. picked up this story yet?
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> its only a matter of time...
[18:47] <Jucato> luckily no :)
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> they will... they will..
[18:48]  * dasKreech slyly submits a digg story
[18:49] <Jucato> as long as you don't link to my blog, go for it! :D
[18:49] <fdoving> that "there should be one DE to rule them all" argument is kind of funny, so ther is already news.com, we should cut the crap and employ all journalists there.
[18:50] <Jucato> hehe :)
[18:50] <dasKreech> Whoops didn't see that don't in the statement Jucato!
[18:50]  * dasKreech quickly submits
[18:50] <Jucato> lol
[18:51] <Jucato> well too sleepy to kill your right now :)
[18:51] <dasKreech> fdoving: Well I would say the same but about fox news
[18:51] <dasKreech> thank goodness that dog took all the bullets already
[18:51] <Jucato> I'd rather inflict on you the most painful torment known to man
[18:51] <fdoving> heh :)
[18:51] <Jucato> a.k.a. hurt you with a gnome-tool :D
[18:51] <fdoving> i'll go svn up and read some commit logs.
[18:51] <dasKreech> Gtk
[18:51] <dasKreech> got/torture/kill
[18:51] <dasKreech> gore
[18:52] <Jucato> anyway... night! :)
[18:52] <dasKreech> Gnight!
[18:52] <dasKreech> umm
[18:52] <dasKreech> Knight!
[18:54] <fdoving> nite jucato.
[18:55] <jjesse03> afternoon
[18:56] <dasKreech> jpatrick: Would you happen to have mark's e-mail address?
[18:57] <jpatrick> dasKreech<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[18:57] <dasKreech> sweet :)
[18:57] <dasKreech> mailing him
[19:00] <mhb> jucato on the news?
[19:01] <jjesse03> on what news?
[19:01] <jpatrick> dasKreech: I think it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:02] <dasKreech> jpatrick: hmm ok
[19:02] <jpatrick> I got mail from him once (from that)
[19:02] <dasKreech> great
[19:02] <imbrandon> he also uses<EMAIL_ADDRESS>( and some @canonical.com addresses ) its easy enough to find in the -devel and other ML archives
[19:05] <fdoving> he writes to kubuntu-devel from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:05] <fdoving> also launchpad probably lists a few addresses.
[19:05] <fdoving> or one, atleast.
[19:09] <mhb> I see.
[19:10] <mhb> it was just a matter of time until someone considers it news-worthy :o)
[19:11] <dasKreech> mhb: lts ?
[19:11] <mhb> hmm, we're still leaderless
[19:11] <mhb> dasKreech: yep
[19:11] <dasKreech> leaderless?
[19:11] <imbrandon> mhb: and likely to be untill after the holiday break
[19:11] <dasKreech> I'm sorry am I missing something?
[19:12] <imbrandon> dasKreech: Riddell is on vacation
[19:14] <dasKreech> Well I'm thinking if we are making more overtures to play up the community in Kubuntu's future we shouldn't be stopped by Riddell being missing
[19:15] <mhb> dasKreech: I've got no problem with him on vacation, I just kind of ... you know ... like that chap.
[19:15] <dasKreech> Me too
[19:16] <dasKreech> but aseigo's latest post is saying something that should hold true for us as well
[19:17] <jjesse03> which post?
[19:18] <dasKreech> Best Xmas present
[19:18] <dasKreech> I think
[19:18] <dasKreech> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/12/best-xmas-present-of-year.html
[19:29] <jjesse03> ah thanks
[19:35] <jjesse03> hello Lure
[19:41] <mhb> this whole KDE vs. GNOME fight encourages my idea that the whole environment idea is silly.
[19:42] <mhb> the *true* distro should ship the best apps, no matter what the toolkit.
[19:43] <fdoving> freedos is pretty nice. little duplicity.
[19:43] <dasKreech> mhb: not on one Cd they shouldn't
[19:47] <mhb> dasKreech: why not?
[19:47] <mhb> if app A is better than app B, an ideal distro would include app A.
[19:47] <mhb> for me.
[19:47] <dasKreech> you'd fill it up with libraries before you finish puttin on apps
[19:53] <CheGuevara> so true
[19:53] <CheGuevara> and imagine your browser and your word processing program use a completely different file selection dialog
[19:54] <CheGuevara> so much for consistency
[19:54] <mhb> imagine all environments actually settling on a mechanism so that file selection dialogs can be consistent
[19:55] <mhb> :o)
[19:55] <dasKreech> and imagine the years that it would take to stop having that argument
[19:55] <mhb> I'm sure it will exist by 2010
[19:55] <mhb> after all, we can (almost) share icons nowadays!
[19:55] <mhb> :o)
[19:55] <dasKreech> You should be able to preview images in the File dialog!
[19:55] <dasKreech> We agree!
[19:55] <dasKreech> and Videos!
[19:55] <dasKreech> Are you on crack?
[19:56] <dasKreech> 18 months to resolve
[19:56] <mhb> I wish.
[19:56] <yuriy> i'd prefer going the other way, treat the environment as part of the OS and make the best use of the available libraries instead of obsessing over supporting other environments
[19:57] <mhb> but this way it's more sport. We set the rules and "may the best app win"
[19:57] <mhb> the other way means we all should hop on to GNOME, because it's more popular
[19:59] <CheGuevara> by 2010 gnome will be gone if nothign major changes
[19:59] <CheGuevara> qt is advancing sooo quick
[19:59] <CheGuevara> and gtk is barely moving
[19:59] <CheGuevara> ok may be not gone, thats a bit too far
[20:00] <CheGuevara> but its use will decrease a lot
[20:01] <mhb> by 2010 KDE may be gone, too
[20:01] <stdin> LIES!!
[20:01] <mhb> after all, no distro is pushing it too aggresively
[20:01] <mhb> and Qt has always been customer oriented, that's why we have to subclass it all.
[20:02] <CheGuevara> its hard to switch thats the problem
[20:03] <CheGuevara> imagine the next release of ubuntu coming with kde standard
[20:03] <CheGuevara> people are gonna go like "WTF?!"
[20:03] <mhb> sure, so it's never going to happen?
[20:03] <CheGuevara> not because its better or worse, its so different
[20:03] <CheGuevara> one thing can happen
[20:03] <CheGuevara> popularity of existand and new KDE distros increase
[20:03] <mhb> but I can imagine Canonical demoting KDE into universe and cancelling the last resources poured into Kubuntu.
[20:03] <CheGuevara> popularity of gnome one lowers
[20:04] <mhb> I can imagine that quite easily.
[20:04] <CheGuevara> yeah but Kubuntu is not the most popular kde distro anyway
[20:04] <CheGuevara> and to be fair
[20:04] <CheGuevara> they only sponsor one dev
[20:04] <CheGuevara> look at the success of PclinuxOS
[20:05] <mhb> success?
[20:05] <mhb> I've seen a few ex-Ubuntu folks using it, but nothing more.
[20:05] <mhb> I don't see masses of Windows users migrating to it
[20:05] <CheGuevara> i've seen it beating ubuntu on distrowatch
[20:06] <CheGuevara> am not talking about windows vs linux really
[20:06] <CheGuevara> but gnome vs kde
[20:06] <CheGuevara> windows vs linux unfortunately doesn't depend entirely on DE
[20:07] <CheGuevara> or code at all for that fact
[20:09] <Lure_> now we are on lwn - no announcement needed anymore: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/263161/b6cd41ede0d8629f/
[20:09] <Lure_> ;-)
[20:09] <CheGuevara> nice...
[20:10] <nixternal> oh lord, and they quote me in it
[20:10] <CheGuevara> out of 1,479,105 visits on my site 1.27% is linux
[20:10] <CheGuevara> sucks...
[20:11] <nixternal> hahah
[20:11] <CheGuevara> at least need to beat mac
[20:11] <CheGuevara> 1.94%
[20:11] <CheGuevara> :P
[20:11] <mhb> nixternal: they had to, cause they quoted Jucato on news.com
[20:12] <mhb> quick! Write something about Kubuntu not being LTS to get in the news!
[20:12] <mhb> :o)
[20:12] <CheGuevara> :P
[20:12] <nixternal> but Jucato is far more famous than I am, he is damn near "mortal" compared to me :)
[20:12] <stdin> I knew there was a reason I didn't reply to those emails
[20:12] <CheGuevara> heh
[20:13] <nixternal> "...;and majority of our users follow our releases and typically upgrade on release day, the amount of noise created in the past about dist-upgrade breakage supports this."
[20:13] <nixternal> glad they got that one there in
[20:18] <dasKreech> ha ha :)
[20:18] <dasKreech> No side notes about upgrading on release day for Vista?
[20:20] <jpatrick> mhb: "if app A is better than app B" <- better is a point of view
[20:21] <dasKreech> made by the guy who packages!
[20:21]  * dasKreech nods
[20:21] <mhb> jpatrick: it most definitely is
[20:22] <mhb> jpatrick: the maintainer of the distro should decide which apps are "better" for his target audience
[20:22] <dasKreech> mhb: So. You are saying install debian?
[20:22] <mhb> jpatrick: but he shouldn't be limited by the fact that app A is KDE and app B is GNOME.
[20:22] <mhb> which says nothing about them
[20:22] <mhb> well, almost nothing
[20:23] <dasKreech> or xterm :)
[20:23] <mhb> dasKreech: I'm only saying that this whole desktop environment A, B and C brought us a lot of misery
[20:23] <dasKreech> mhb: Only at the start of their lives
[20:23] <dasKreech> I hardly think it's bad now
[20:23] <nixternal> holy smokes people in Chicago are thick
[20:24] <nixternal> wtf is so hard to understand that if it starts with a K, there is no damn LTS
[20:24] <jpatrick> mhb: it boils down to "why do I need a DE when I have a tty that does it all for me"
[20:24] <dasKreech> nixternal: tell them to eat less hot dogs
[20:24] <nixternal> dasKreech: mmm hot dogs
[20:24] <dasKreech> Like Kino?
[20:25] <mhb> jpatrick: well...
[20:25] <nixternal> jpatrick: use Emacs!
[20:25] <nixternal> be like Stallman, we don't need you anyways :p
[20:25] <mhb> jpatrick: it won't edit your images well
[20:25] <dasKreech> I do
[20:25] <mhb> poor jpatrick
[20:25] <nixternal> hehe
[20:25] <nixternal> let's get um!
[20:25] <dasKreech> it's a pain getting my SVG all nice in tty
[20:25] <jpatrick> heh
[20:25] <mhb> well I'm the one who's complain and he gets the wrong end of the pitchfork
[20:25] <nixternal> I can write a quick qtscript that will take those images and convert them into ascii art if that is what you need :)
[20:25] <dasKreech> But Matrix plays nicely :)
[20:26] <mhb> complaining
[20:26] <dasKreech> nixternal: oh please do
[20:26] <nixternal> dasKreech: learn to use imagemagick, I thought there was a flag you could use to do ascii art
[20:26] <nixternal> dunno with svg's though
[20:28] <mhb> I'm pretty unhappy about the current state of things. Great apps put aside because they're GNOME or KDE.
[20:28] <dasKreech> yeah I know but that's mostly KDE's fault
[20:29] <mhb> kaffeine is a 100% better than Totem, but thanks to this purism it's not good enough to be in Ubuntu
[20:29]  * mhb feels sorry for the devs
[20:29] <mhb> or k3b, that's a better example
[20:29] <mhb> I guess.
[20:30] <mhb> there's not a single criteria I can think of that makes anything GNOMish better than k3b.
[20:30] <nixternal> ya, I am not a huge fan of kaffeine
[20:30] <dasKreech> mhb: It has too many options
[20:31] <mhb> dasKreech: too many as in?
[20:31] <mhb> dasKreech: I'm pretty sure Nero has more
[20:31] <dasKreech> Which is also not a good Gnome app
[20:31] <mhb> and it's (probably) one of the most popular burning software
[20:31] <dasKreech> Gnomebaker is much better for a Gnome environment
[20:31] <mhb> yeah, but it's good enough for the simplest of users
[20:31] <nixternal> k3b has to many options? whoa, that is a first...k3b has just enough options, and all are explained well enough to the point you really don't have to research much
[20:32] <nixternal> omg, I just told dude that KDE 4 is in universe, so he is like "so all I have to do is add multiverse"
[20:32] <nixternal> I need to get out of Chicago
[20:33]  * dasKreech preps the spare room for nixternal
[20:35] <jpatrick> hmm, amarok would be a better example
[20:36] <nixternal> ya, amarok is pretty pimp and easy to use...there is some missing functionality though that could make it much better
[20:36] <nixternal> like autorecognition of portable media players and daapd servers
[20:39] <yuriy> it does autorecognize portamble media players doesn't it? or at least it autorecognizes usb sticks, which is kind of annoying
[20:41] <nixternal> oh ya it does, but you still have to config it don't you?
[20:42] <nixternal> it should be transparent, just like plugging in your iPod or what not in windows or osx
[20:42]  * nixternal needs some food
[20:43] <mhb> yeah...
[20:43] <mhb> too bad we have to spend time developing one media player for KDE, one for GNOME ...
[20:43] <mhb> I mean sure, it's great that there are several versions
[20:44] <mhb> but we need two people for including one feature in both
[20:44] <mhb> that means suddenly, there's a guy wanting to implement exactly that what nixternal described, but alas, he's an Ubuntist.
[20:51] <dasKreech> so just use xlibs
[20:52] <mhb> yeah, just use <insert some old-fashioned technology that nobody uses but it actually fulfills your needs here>
[21:00] <dasKreech> mhb: Wouldn't that solve your issues :)
[21:01] <ardchoille> Hmm.. personal package archive in LP sounds interesting
[21:01] <mhb> dasKreech: nope.
[21:01] <dasKreech> mhb: It takes the DE out of the equation and allows the best app to rise
[21:02] <mhb> ah, those were the times when people judged apps by their quality and free software developers worked together, not against the Other Evil Environment :o)
[21:08] <dasKreech> Who works against the OEE?
[21:08] <dasKreech> not the EED
[21:10] <mhb> dasKreech: aren't we all?
[21:10] <mhb> KDE is trying to beat GNOME and vice versa
[21:11] <mhb> the officials may say otherwise, but the truth is clear
[21:11] <dasKreech> mhb: that's true of all OSS projects
[21:12] <dasKreech> the economy of FOSS isn't money it's mindshare
[21:22] <mayeco> hey
[21:22] <mayeco> what happend with the tags thing in dolpin?
[21:36] <dasKreech> mayeco: What about it?
[21:37] <mayeco> dasKreech: is working or what?
[21:37] <yuriy> yay adept_manager built
[21:37] <mayeco> dasKreech: i recently build a fresh svn copy adn I dont see that
[21:39] <dasKreech> do you have nepomuk?
[21:43] <mayeco> dasKreech: yes
[21:43] <mayeco> nepomuk-rcgen
[21:44] <dasKreech> and started strigi?
[22:46] <yuriy> hmm CMake Error: ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config
[22:47] <jpatrick> yuriy: do you have the prefix=/usr/lib/kde4?
[22:50] <yuriy> jpatrick: i'm trying to port something and i'm using the rc2 packages from ppa. i added FIND_PACKAGE(KDE4 REQUIRED) to the cmake file. which prefix are you referring to?
[22:51] <jpatrick> yuriy: the one; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4
[22:51] <yuriy> oic
[22:51] <jpatrick> that might work
[22:51] <yuriy> yep thanks
[22:51] <nixternal> $(DEB_CMAKE_PREFIX)
[22:52] <yuriy> nixternal: hmm? where would that go?
[22:52] <nixternal> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX is now set in cdbs/kde.mk as long as you are merging in the new cdbs changes from debian
[22:52] <jpatrick> he's porting adept
[22:52] <jpatrick> (I think)
[22:53] <nixternal> yuriy: you want me to upload the updated debian/rules and debian/cdbs for you to use?
[22:53] <yuriy> heh or trying to... i'm still fairly certain i'll give up shortly into it
[22:53] <nixternal> since we are using them for all of our KDE4 packages now
[22:53] <yuriy> nixternal: sure
[22:53] <nixternal> k, one sec
[22:54] <mhb> yuriy: actually, you're not going to give up, you're going to finish it and have the sources ready by tomorrow morning!
[22:56] <nixternal> yuriy: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~nixternal/KDE4/
[23:05] <yuriy> debian/cdbs/kde.mk:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory
[23:05] <jpatrick> yuriy: install "cdbs"
[23:05] <yuriy> it's installed
[23:06] <yuriy> this is on gutsy btw
[23:06] <jpatrick> aha, install quilt
[23:06] <nixternal> ya
[23:07] <nixternal> also make sure your debian/*.install files are prefixed with usr/lib/kde4/ as well
[23:08]  * yuriy wasn't using the packaging stuff so far and just using cmake/make directly


[12:13] <Riddell> pesky digg
[12:14] <nixternal> that it is
[12:14] <nixternal> just like distro watch posted the kde 3.5.5 repos
[12:18] <Lure> jdong: I will rather add some addiitonal Xsession.d in front and back to check the state of dpms timeout with dpms -q
[12:19] <jdong> hmm, interesting idea, yes
[12:20] <nuku> hm isn't kde supposed to support dpms settings?
[12:20] <jdong> nuku: that's what I was thinking originally
[12:21] <jdong> I still don't like blaming GNOME for a KDE problem
[12:21] <jdong> lol
[12:21] <nuku> :)
[12:21] <jdong> now, another logout
[12:23] <nixternal> who is buying dinner? im hungry
[12:24] <jdong> where'd lure go?
[12:25] <nixternal> fishing?
[12:25] <nixternal> [17:21:58]  <-- Lure has left this server ("Konversation terminated!").
[12:25] <Lure> jdong: it is changed after  all Xsession.d scripts
[12:25] <nixternal> wth
[12:25] <jdong> Lure: I realized the same thing
[12:25] <Lure> nixternal: testing dpms with logout/login ;-)
[12:26] <nixternal> now that is odd...Lure spoke, and it didn't show him reconnect for me
[12:26] <jdong> [18:26]  --> Lure has joined this channel (n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure).
[12:26] <nixternal> Lure: i seen you disconnect, but never reconnect
[12:27] <jdong> Lure: so, ready to start grepping kdebase? :D
[12:27] <Lure> jdong: ;-)
[12:28] <jdong> seriously, that's my best idea so far
[12:28] <jdong> lol
[12:29] <Lure> jdong: kdesktop/lock/lockprocess.cc:
[12:30] <jdong> ha, you're actually doing it
[12:34] <Lure> jdong: kenergy KC module is also doing DPMS, not sure it gets executed though (I doubt it)
[12:34] <jdong> hmm
[12:35] <Lure> jdong: there is code doing stuff like this:
[12:35] <Lure> DPMSSetTimeouts(dpy, 60*standby, 60*suspend, 60*off);
[12:35] <jdong> Lure: that is VERY suspicious
[12:36] <Lure> jdong: this might be it!
[12:36] <Lure> it does quesy dpms for default values in case that config is not set in kcmdisplayrc
[12:37] <jdong> that sounds suspicious then
[12:37] <Lure> it's config is in sec, while they do not divide pre_configured values with 60
[12:38] <jdong> Lure: try patching out the DPMSSetTimeouts call?
[12:38] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu && https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[12:38] <Lure> jdong: this is buggy for sure, the problem is that I do not know who executes this function on login()
[12:38] <jdong> kenergy should've been neudered anyway
[12:38] <nixternal> start providing me with the goods
[12:39] <nixternal> actually..im going to hold off for a couple of days before adding content
[12:39] <Lure> jdong: for start I will explicitly set kcmdisplayrc values to some strange number in order to see if they have effect
[12:40] <nixternal> otherwise we will get the crazies in here wanting to talk to everyone about their issues we already know about
[12:40] <Lure> jdong: this will prove that init_energy() gets executed (and that we have the right suspect)
[12:44] <Lure> jdong: did not help :-(
[12:45] <jdong> Lure: if you really want to rule it out, you'd comment out the function call
[12:45] <Lure> jdong: it does not get executed - if it would, it would use my config values and not wrong seconds stuff
[12:46] <jdong> ah, ok
[12:46] <Lure> anyway, I am braindead and have to get early tommorow
[12:46] <Lure> -> bed
[12:46] <Lure> jdong: is bug already opened?
[12:46] <jdong> Lure: no, it isn't...
[12:46] <jdong> Lure: you wanna open it?
[12:47] <Lure> jdong: just do it ;-)
[12:47] <Lure> nite all!
[12:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, kk, I'll start looking :)
[12:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: RC image... something like this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27472
[12:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: it needs to have some relevance to kubuntu
[12:53] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[12:53] <Riddell> so it needs the logo in the photo (but just an overlay)
[12:53] <ryanakca> btw, where d'you get the kubuntu mug?
[12:53] <Riddell> doesn't have to be a photo of course
[12:53] <Riddell> kubuntu.de did the mugs
[12:54] <ryanakca> kk... nice :)
[12:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: Kubuntu logo has to be blue, right?
[12:58] <jdong> ok, filed as bug 65791
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in kde-guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[12:58] <jdong> Riddell: what's the current freeze status with regards to bugfixes?
[12:58] <nixternal> ryanakca: the guy who made that, doesn't even hang out here anymore
[12:58] <jdong> Riddell: not properly doing DPMS is pretty fatal to laptop users
[12:58] <nixternal> Linuxmonkey was his name
[12:58] <ryanakca> hmm... rings a bell.. I think
[12:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk, does that make a difference?
[12:59] <nixternal> ya
[12:59] <nixternal> get a better design ;)
[12:59] <Riddell> jdong: pretty frozen
[12:59] <nixternal> hahah
[12:59] <nixternal> j/k
[12:59] <jdong> :(
[12:59] <nixternal> my lappy won't even boot anything newer than knot 1 or 2
[01:00] <nixternal> but i think that is due to it having puter cancer
[01:01] <nixternal> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2565287072886554182&q=GI+joe
[01:01] <nixternal> stop your downloading now!
[01:03] <ryanakca> nixternal: I have a feeling that this isn't exactly a new .jpg? http://raphink.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/konqi_kubudoc_hires.jpg
[01:03] <Riddell> nope
[01:04] <ryanakca> oh, lol, raphink made it :)
[01:15] <nixternal> ya, he did that a while ago
[01:37] <Riddell> RockMan: I can't get that tar to compile
[01:38] <Riddell> I have checking for baudboy.h... no
[01:38] <Riddell> and checking for sdp_list_free in -lsdp... no
[01:38] <RockMan> yep, they told me that too...
[01:38] <RockMan> already checking... but probably i'll finish tomorrow, since i'm doing also some other things
[01:39] <RockMan> (and i'd like to do things as better as possible..)
[01:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm going to resume looking for that RC picture t'morrow... When d'you need it for?
[01:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: not until next thursday
[01:53] <ryanakca> kk
[01:53] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping
[01:55] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: CST....same as me :)
[02:00] <imbrandon> ryanakca, pong
[02:42] <nixternal> interesting...trashcan on desktop is empty, trashcan in kicker is full
[02:42] <Riddell> we don't have a wastebin on the desktop by default
[02:42] <nixternal> hehe...it is on mine ;)
[02:43] <imbrandon> Riddell, i noticed yesterday on upgrade from dapper it appears somereason
[02:43] <nixternal> not on mine anymore
[02:43] <imbrandon> i thought it was just me
[02:43] <nixternal> rm ~/Desktop/trash.Desktop
[02:44] <imbrandon> hrm nixternal ping me please ( in the channell )
[02:44] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping
[02:44] <imbrandon> grr
[02:44] <nixternal> on the phone with my daughter..it is her b-day
[02:44] <imbrandon> ok try again please
[02:45] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping
[02:45] <imbrandon> ok one last time
[02:45] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping
[02:45] <imbrandon> darn it
[02:45] <nixternal> hahahaha
[02:46] <imbrandon> imbrandon??\bping\b??$
[02:46] <imbrandon> that should get triggered
[02:46] <imbrandon> i would think
[02:46] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping?
[02:47] <imbrandon> join #ubuntu-midwest if you have a few minutes to help me get this working
[03:41] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:24] <nixternal> who wants to help a python nub
[06:25] <Hobbsee> Fetched 147MB in 4m20s (563kB/s)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[06:25] <nixternal> that is mighty nice
[06:26] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:26] <nixternal> how do i add something to my python search path?  i have to do some whacky translation stuff and i cna't figure out where to put this stupid file
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Fetched 17.7MB in 48s (364kB/s)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> not *too* bad - the first was off the au. mirrors, the second is of the gb. ones
[06:38] <Hobbsee>  /dev/hda3     ext3    5.5G  4.7G  628M  89% /
[06:38] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[06:51] <n8k99> hello
[06:51] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hi Lure
[06:51] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[06:52] <n8k99> i was just  doing a little reading - wondering if there is a telepathy equivalent in kde?
[06:52] <n8k99> is that kopete?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> this is scary.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> what's the status for apport for kde?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> it works nicely in gnome :)
[07:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee!! :)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[07:42] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! I totally forgot about memoserv :P
[07:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :D  and email
[07:43] <Jucato> lol I didn't know your e-mail addy :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's on my LP page<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:44] <Jucato> ah ok well maybe next time :)
[07:44] <Jucato> I'm still not on my PC... :(
[07:45] <Hobbsee> :(
[07:45] <Hobbsee> urgh
[07:45] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure which is worse
[07:45] <Hobbsee> XP hasnt crashed as much as gnome for me :P
[07:46] <Jucato> hah. XP really doesn't crash as much if you take good care of it.
[07:46] <Hobbsee> true
[07:46] <Jucato> and if you're careful with your internet habits, you rarely get infected
[07:47] <Jucato> oh.. Happy Birthday KDE!!
[07:48] <Jucato> er. just in case I won't be able to connect tomorrow
[08:19] <freeflying>   imbrandon arounds?
[09:53] <verwilst> adept updater uses interactive mode when configuring packages
[09:53] <verwilst> i had to do show details, and answer a question about flashplayer before it continued
[01:13] <dholbach> heya
[01:14] <dholbach> hm, nuku and rockman are not here
[01:34] <sebas> dholbach: RockMan is on kde-promo :)
[01:34] <sebas> And hi there!
[01:34] <dholbach> ahhhh sure
[01:35] <dholbach> you're all partying today!
[01:35] <dholbach> congratulations to all of you
[01:35] <RockMan> hi
[01:35] <dholbach> hey RockMan
[01:35] <dholbach> I played with it some more... no luck :/
[01:35] <dholbach> I even changed the version string to make sure I was not on crack
[01:35] <RockMan> dholbach: the r2 version?
[01:36] <dholbach> I restarted the bluetooth services, removed stale files in /var/lib/bluetooth
[01:36] <dholbach> oh, where's the r2 version?
[01:36] <RockMan> yup
[01:36] <RockMan> check kmobiletools homepage
[01:36] <dholbach> checking
[01:36] <dholbach> kmobiletools to the rescue!
[01:41] <Riddell> kwwii: ping, got any artwork for us?
[01:42] <sebas> KDE's official birthday is tomorrow, dholbach :)
[01:42] <dholbach> sebas: lalalalala :-)
[01:43] <dholbach> HAPPY PARTYING ANYWAY :)
[01:44] <_Sime> are there any really nasty bugs in edgy that I should know about before I upgrade my primary machine? anyone?
[01:44] <sebas> dholbach: Yeah :)
[01:44] <Riddell> _Sime: only that dist-upgrade is a steaming pile of poo for upgrading to edgy with
[01:44] <sebas> It's my birthday tomorrow as well, so partypartyparty
[01:45] <_Sime> Riddell: what do you mean?
[01:45] <sebas> _Sime: It works fine for my workstation, my notebook was a freaking PITA because of ATI drivers
[01:45] <Riddell> _Sime: is holds back or uninstalls a bunch of things it should keep
[01:45] <Riddell> _Sime: actually it would be interesting to hear a report of using the ubuntu upgrade tool with kubuntu if you want to try that
[01:46] <_Sime> Riddell: I'm not familiar with the upgrade tool you speak of.
[01:47] <Riddell> _Sime: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[01:48] <dholbach> RockMan: you ROCK
[01:48] <fdoving> any one working on bug 62610 ?
[01:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62610 in adept "impossible to manager repositories" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62610
[01:48] <RockMan> (o_O)
[01:48] <dholbach> RockMan: i'm in a gnome session, so I didn't have kbluetoothd running either
[01:48] <Riddell> fdoving: I just uploaded a fix
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: but /var/log/syslog already showed that the new patch was different - it registered a different passkey agent this time
[01:49] <RockMan> good
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: thanks a lot for your efforts
[01:49] <_Sime> Riddell: the tool just calls apt-get? yes?
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: I'm going to play with it some more
[01:49] <RockMan> well, check if it works, at least
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: I'm browsing my phone at the moment
[01:49] <RockMan> ah.. nice :D
[01:50] <Riddell> _Sime: no, it uses the python-apt repository and has some special knowledge about what is important to keep and work around during a distro upgrade
[01:50] <Riddell> s/repository/library/
[01:50] <dholbach> RockMan: so thanks again
[01:50] <RockMan> you're welcome
[01:50] <Riddell> dholbach: it's all working?
[01:51] <dholbach> Riddell: it looks damn good
[01:51] <dholbach> Riddell: we might need something that calls        passkey-agent --default /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin
[01:51] <dholbach> Riddell: yesterday we thought about adding another autostart .desktop file to kdebluetooth - does that sound crackful?
[01:52] <Riddell> that sounds fine
[01:52] <dholbach> kdebluetooth is sweet - good work on that
[01:52] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, but will it work or will I burst into tears?
[01:52] <dholbach> Riddell: I'll play with it some more and see if it clashes with the gnome thingie - if not, we should go for it
[01:52] <Riddell> _Sime: it's known to work
[01:54] <_Sime> Riddell: the only other problem is that I'm doing this via ssh.... and I want to nohup it.
[01:54] <Riddell> _Sime: oh, in that case just do apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <Riddell> _Sime: but you'll need to do  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop afterwards to reinstall all the stuff it didn't want to keep
[01:54] <fdoving> Riddell: great thanks :)
[01:55] <_Sime> Riddell: ok. I'll use dist-upgrade and then check kubuntu-desktop.
[02:01] <_Sime> here I go.
[02:10] <Riddell> I'm off out for a bit, kwwii if you have that menu artwork please commit that to bzr
[02:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Hi
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T
[02:43] <Hobbsee> oh darn it.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i cant eat this dinner, stirfry, without a splade or another utensil.
[02:49] <Tonio__> hi ;)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[02:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hu ? did I change things recently ?
[02:53] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:53] <Tonio_> I'm making a point on _Sime's patches....
[02:53] <Tonio_> there is a big bunch of problems not yet fixed....
[02:53] <Tonio_> I'd be a bit scarry to release with this in its current state....
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no.  but i tried xfce and gnome.  scary stuff.
[02:54] <imbrandon_> its edgy ;)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, but still
[02:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon yes but well....
[02:54] <Tonio_> bug 65873
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65873 in kdelibs "Konqueror doesn't show the content of CD/Dvds unless "refresh" is pressed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65873
[02:54] <Tonio_> confirmed, I have the same issue here
[02:54] <Tonio_> audio cds don't work
[02:55] <Tonio_> qtparted cannot be used to format a usbkey, since there is no way to simply umount it
[02:55] <Tonio_> except eject...
[02:55] <Tonio_> that's weird, really !
[02:55] <imbrandon_> yea but tbh 99% of joe dosent open audio and video in konqueror, they use amarok or kaffeine ;)
[02:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon what if you want to rip it to mp3 ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> that's a konqueror killer feature, and now it simply doesn't work
[02:56] <imbrandon_> kaudiocreator
[02:56] <imbrandon_> thats why its installed
[02:56] <imbrandon_> ;)
[02:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon which uses /media/cdrom0 by default (can be changed of course)
[02:56] <imbrandon_> and its rps to many diffrent formats not just mp3
[02:56] <Tonio_> honnestly, when I doubleclick on the desktop's icon and get a "no cd inserted"
[02:56] <Tonio_> that gives the feeling of a pre-alpha release...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ouch.  scary
[02:57] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: i'm not saying it dosent need fixing, i'm just saying its not as critical as its made out to be if you really think about it
[02:57] <Hobbsee> that probably warrants fixing now
[02:57] <Tonio_> in my opinion, if most of those issues are not fixed before edgy is out, we should remove the patches...
[02:57] <Tonio_> and discard them for edgy+1 when they get mature enough to be included
[02:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon concerning the desktop cleaning, that's critical
[02:58] <Tonio_> since when you had 3 ways to do something you only get one now
[02:58] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: its FAR to late for that, as the normal way hasenbt been tested
[02:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon the normal way has been tested widely with 3.4.4
[02:58] <imbrandon_> they just need to be fixed, now or with -updates
[02:58] <Tonio_> 3.5.4 sorry, and 3.5.5 doesn't change anything
[02:58] <imbrandon_> widely where? not in edgy
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon I don't say I don't want those patches in, but I prefer something working to something that doesn't work
[02:59] <imbrandon_> and thats where it matters to mdz thf.
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon 3.5.4 and edgy were tested 2 month without those patches
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon and this material is in kde for YEARS
[02:59] <Tonio_> it has a very few issues (except with non kde apps)
[03:00] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: yes there are rough edges thus edgy, we talked about this when putting them in, thats why dapper is supported for 3 years
[03:00] <Tonio_> the problem is who can fix the issues, except sime or Riddell
[03:01] <imbrandon_> they are not the only two, and rember there is -updates, i think its very critical that these be fixed not removed
[03:01] <imbrandon_> else they will not ever make it
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon well I can understand edgy is there for testing new things, but is that a reason to include very incomplete stuff ?
[03:02] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: thats the thing its not very incomplete, i just said above if you actualy think about it those are not the "default" way of doing things
[03:02] <imbrandon_> this kaudiocreatror and kaffeine
[03:02] <Tonio_> kaudiocreator has the same issue....
[03:02] <Tonio_> points to /media/cdrom0 by default
[03:02] <imbrandon_> they are nice to have and yes need to be fixed but dont warrent removeal
[03:03] <Hobbsee> but will they get fixed, though?  in time?
[03:03] <imbrandon_> ESPECIALY after RC freeze
[03:03] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: yes , why wouldent they
[03:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: if the people are around who know how to fix it, yes.  wand waving doesnt work.
[03:04] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: yes and me Riddell and sime are arround daily not counting the others that send patches to sime
[03:04] <gnomefreak> there even a @lart about Hobbsee  ;)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: indeed.  i think you wanted -ops
[03:04] <imbrandon_> i dont see wand waving, i see updates almost daily
[03:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's #28
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: oh good
[03:05] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:05] <gnomefreak> yes i did
[03:05] <imbrandon_> all i'm saying is yes there are bugs that need to be fixed Tonio_ but removal sint warented especialy this late in the cycle
[03:06] <imbrandon_> fixes would be much much more preferable
[03:07] <imbrandon_> i mean there are flac regressions and 36+ other bugs in amarok atm but we're not thinking about removing it ;)
[03:08] <imbrandon_> same type of deal, plus if they are in the edgy release more kde developers will help fix them and more of a chance of a stable release for edgy+1
[03:09] <imbrandon_> trust me i feel the same way about k-s-s , i think in its current state of useability it should be removed and use kcontrol but that isnt the good awnser, the better answer is to fix k-s-s
[03:20] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: the bigest outstanding issues with simes patches are mounting issues correct >
[03:20] <imbrandon_> ?
[03:20] <imbrandon_> or just mounting audio/video ?
[03:36] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:36] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:38] <imbrandon_> heya bddebian
[03:38] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[03:40] <windshear> hello
[03:40] <windshear> anyone has a floppy drive and is using KDE 3.5.5
[03:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon the issue is with audio cds only
[03:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon I tried to give a look but that's far to complicated for me....
[03:49] <Tonio_> if that is resolved, and the 'impossible to umount easilly'
[03:49] <Tonio_> that would probably be by far more usable
[03:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon don't get me wrong, I don't criticize the job at all
[03:49] <Tonio_> it resolves lots of issues and is incredibly promissing
[03:49] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: oh i know
[03:50] <Tonio_> just that according to me, that's alpha state, not even beta
[03:50] <imbrandon_> heh
[03:50] <imbrandon_> brb rebooting
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hey el!
[03:55] <el> hey Hobbsee :)
[03:55] <el> hey all :)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> unfortunately i cant show you it :(
[03:55] <el> Hobbsee, uhhh... what was it?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> el: hehe
[03:56] <Hobbsee> el: road and traffic authority here.  i was applying for an etag.  multiple screens, previous on the left, next on the right, at the bottom.  fine.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> at the last screen:  previous on the top right, bottom right (where next had been for the last 7 screens), and next on the far far left.
[03:58] <el> eeeek!
[03:59] <Hobbsee> el: indeed!
[03:59] <Hobbsee> el: of course, the best bit then would have been that if you hit previous, it would have wiped the entire form.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> fortunately, it wasnt like that, else i would have gone and yelled at said rta for being idiots.
[04:00] <el> Hobbsee, hehe - that would have been evil ;-)
[04:00] <el> haha
[04:00] <el> :)
[04:00] <el> but did yu tell them, Hobbsee ?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> el: i didnt.  i try to stay away from them as much as possible.
[04:01] <el> heh
[04:02] <dholbach> hey el!
[04:02] <el> dholbach, huhu!
[04:02] <dholbach> sap ... *whine*
[04:02] <el> *smile*
[04:02] <el> dholbach, jupp. you really wonder what the 50+ usability specialists do there
[04:02] <dholbach> el: are you partying with the kde guys too?
[04:03] <dholbach> hehe :)
[04:03] <el> dholbach, no - had to work in the morning. couldn't go to stuttgart
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!  you've come to the dark side?
[04:03] <Tonio_> dholbach: I'm looking at the kbluepin issue....
[04:04] <dholbach> Hobbsee: not really ;-)
[04:04] <kwwii> I think he got tired of dealing with artwork problems :p
[04:04] <dholbach> Tonio_: RockMan has figured it out
[04:04] <dholbach> Tonio_: his patch is fine
[04:04] <Hobbsee> dholbach: heh
[04:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii: *g*
[04:04] <el> huhu kwwii
[04:04] <el> juhu!
[04:04] <kwwii> lol, thanks Hobbsee
[04:04] <Tm_T> :)
[04:04] <Tonio_> dholbach: ah ? resolved then ?
[04:05] <el> and huhu Tonio_ :)
[04:05] <Tonio_> hey el :)
[04:05] <Tm_T> Hmm, looks like kxdocker is pretty broken.
[04:05] <dholbach> kwwii: seb128 behaved bad - I punish him with chatting to the kde folks instead
[04:05] <Tonio_> dholbach: that just needs uploading then ?
[04:05] <kwwii> dholbach: does he chat with an accent too? (lol)
[04:06] <dholbach> kwwii: who? accent? ;-)
[04:06] <dholbach> Tonio_: it could do with some testing - I'll add an autostart thingie to kdebluetooth - it'd be nice if somebody could test that in a native kde environment
[04:06] <dholbach> Tonio_: can I ping you, when I have it ready?
[04:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: sure
[04:06] <dholbach> Tonio_: you rock!
[04:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: kdebluetooth already autostarts
[04:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: but the icon is hidden by default ;)
[04:07] <dholbach> Tonio_: it'll get another autostart thingie
[04:07] <Tonio_> dholbach: ah, okay
[04:08] <Tonio_> bluetooth on kde is nasty anyway.... I hope kde4 will resolve this...
[04:08] <dholbach> it works quite well
[04:08] <dholbach> and I like the obex thingie in konqueror
[04:08] <dholbach> there's a gnomevfs module for nautilus, but it's not official
[04:14] <Tonio_> dholbach: yes but compare it to how it works on OSX or windows.... linux interfaces for bluetooth are far from that
[04:15] <dholbach> edgy+1! ;-)
[04:15] <Tonio_> dholbach: what did RockMan do ?
[04:15] <dholbach> kmobiletools.org/node/228
[04:15] <nuku> well actually file transfer to bt devices is better than under windows imho :)
[04:15] <Tonio_> dholbach: used the kmobilephone patch ?
[04:15] <dholbach> yeah
[04:16] <Tonio_> okay yeah I just found it, looks like the only solution before someone writes a kde passkey-agent
[04:16] <Tonio_> python is on the way though :)
[04:16] <nuku> Tonio_: right.. some suse guys patched it in a kdebluetooth fork
[04:17] <nuku> Tonio_: yep i think python would be sufficient for the passkey agent..
[04:17] <Tonio_> nuku: interesting, but did they used that kmobiletools or did they do a real passkey-agent ?
[04:17] <nuku> actually there its just some dbus stuff to take care of ..
[04:17] <Tonio_> nuku: yeah but I'm a very young python coder :) gimme a few month
[04:17] <nuku> Tonio_: they build dbus support into kdebluetooth.. haven't tried it yet but thats the way to go
[04:18] <Tonio_> nuku: hum, pretty interesting
[04:18] <nuku> as bluez uses dbus now
[04:18] <Tonio_> nuku: svn available ?
[04:18] <nuku> yep.. its in kde svn.. hold on
[04:18] <Tonio_> nuku: testing
[04:18] <nuku> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/kdebluetooth-dbus-integration/
[04:18] <Tonio_> dholbach: did we test this too ?
[04:19] <dholbach> no, I didn't want to introduce too much new code
[04:19] <Tonio_> nuku: I'm doing a test package
[04:19] <Tonio_> dholbach: I understand yes, but maybe if that's mature enough.....
[04:19] <dholbach> imho that's edgy+1 stuff. I doubt you get it past the release team
[04:19] <dholbach> but try
[04:20] <Tonio_> dholbach: well, uploads that resolve milestone bugs are encouraged afaik ;)
[04:20] <dholbach> the stuff I'm doing was supposed to do that
[04:20] <nuku> Tonio_: well it's not just a simple patch to kdebluetooth i guess :)
[04:21] <dholbach> but try ;)
[04:21] <Tonio_> nuku: I'll diff :)
[04:22] <nuku> hehe i bet you need diffstat to see the impact :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> nuku: yeah there are big differences indeed :)
[04:23] <nuku> and i think its not yet ment to be released..
[04:23] <nuku> RockMan told that it will go into the next suse release...
[04:24] <nuku> but don't know if that 10.2 or later :)
[04:26] <nuku> i guess having some simple python passkey agent would be the way to go in short terms :)
[04:27] <nuku> still this "hack" for passkey+kbluepin works for the moment
[04:27] <dholbach> Tonio_: can you try  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/bluez-utils.debdiff  and  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/kdebluetooth.debdiff ?
[04:28] <Tonio_> dholbach: yes, gimme a moment and I'll feedback
[04:28] <dholbach> el: so where's the party going to be tonight? :)
[04:29] <dholbach> el: and what about the edgy berlin release party?
[04:29] <el> dholbach, edgy release in berlin sounds great
[04:29] <el> dholbach, @ your home again?
[04:30] <dholbach> el: I'm not quite sure yet
[04:30] <el> dholbach, balcony won't work this time of the year
[04:30] <dholbach> el: I can imagine having to throw out the CCC people at 7 in the morning again ;)
[04:30] <nuku> a party in berlin would be nice :)
[04:30] <dholbach> nuku: you're in Berlin too?
[04:30] <nuku> yes :)
[04:30] <dholbach> man, I didn't know!
[04:32] <dholbach> nuku, el: so you two are going to do a KDE Birthday Berlin party? :-)
[04:33] <el> dholbach, no kde birthday in B
[04:33] <el> laters!
[04:33] <kwwii> ciao el
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Cannon smash?
[04:33] <dholbach> el:  enjoy it
[04:35] <Tonio_> dholbach: building
[04:35] <dholbach> super
[04:36] <dholbach> Tonio_: it'd be super interesting to see if, when you restart the session, it will start the passkey thingie too
[04:36] <Tonio_> nuku: tried the svn stuff, but it is not complete actually.... misses doc informations, translations etc..... hard do package this and get it accept.... that'll be for edgy+1 I presume :)
[04:36] <Tonio_> dholbach: yeah, I'll test this
[04:36] <Tonio_> dholbach: how did you do the autostart stuff ?
[04:36] <dholbach> Tonio_: add an autostart file and installed it :)
[04:37] <Tonio_> dholbach: yeah but which autostart folder did you use ? gnome and kde folders are different :)
[04:37] <dholbach> /usr/share/autostart
[04:37] <dholbach> where the other one is
[04:39] <Tonio_> yes, I looked at the changes and it looks good
[04:43] <imbrandon> Riddell, i just got a chance to try the new kde-guidance-powermanager on my laptop ( i'm on it right now ) all looks good ( even though this test is about a day late heheh )
[04:48] <nuku> Tonio_: yes i was thinking so.. it's still in an early development stage i guess..
[04:48] <Tonio_> nuku: true that
[04:50] <nuku> well at least the proposed patch should work for now.. better than broken bluetooth support :)
[04:52] <hunger> Anyone got an idea how to stop kde-guidance-powermanager from offering hibernation?
[04:53] <Riddell> thanks imbrandon
[04:53] <nuku> hmm shouldn't the .desktop in kdebluetooth have an "OnlyShowIn=KDE;"?
[04:53] <Tonio_> nuku: doesn't produce any icon afaik
[04:53] <Riddell> nuku: why?
[04:54] <Tonio_> and gnome doesn't autostart /usr/share/autostart things
[04:54] <nuku> oh ok i thought gnome would use ../autostart too..
[04:54] <nuku> ok
[04:54] <Tonio_> kdebluetooth build takes a while...
[04:54] <dholbach> Tonio_: yep
[04:54] <dholbach> ahhh, mine is finishing :-D
[04:55] <Tonio_> I should buy a dualcore :)
[04:55] <dholbach> i don't have one either
[04:55] <imbrandon> Tonio_, hehe yea me too
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Quadcore coming out soon :)
[04:55] <Riddell> sebas: did you get the summit invite?
[04:56] <Tonio_> well my GF's laptop is dying so I'll probaly give her my vaio and buy another one by christmas :)
[04:56] <imbrandon> good means dualcore will drop in price
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Yup yup :-)
[04:57] <imbrandon> i just got my plane tickets yesterday, i have to leave home at 3AM !?!
[04:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon: It'll take 17 hours for me :)
[04:57] <Tonio_> paris -> atlanta -> SF
[04:58] <Tonio_> I'll probably stay awake for 2 days to be sure to sleep correctly
[04:58] <imbrandon> wow, mine is 2 hours of actual flight but there is a layover and time diffrence so i wont arrive till 10am
[04:58] <imbrandon> but i leave at 6am
[04:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: how long do you have to change at atlanta?  you might have to re-check in completely depending on their mood
[04:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_, heh
[04:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: 1h30
[04:59] <imbrandon> Kansas City --> Denver --> San Fran
[04:59] <imbrandon> ouch not much time
[04:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: well there is a direct fly, but it costs twice as much so....
[04:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well to go back to paris I have only 30 minutes ;)
[05:00] <Tonio_> I'm wondering if that's enough....
[05:01] <imbrandon> wow i have a 2 hour change at denver , i'm not sure if that was enough, but 30 minutes !?!
[05:01] <imbrandon> depends on what gates and if they make you re-checkin
[05:02] <imbrandon> thats one reason i am leaving in the morning so if i get delayed I'll still make it on time
[05:02] <imbrandon> s/on time/by the evening
[05:02] <Tonio_> San Francisco (SFO) 11:40 -> Cincinnati 19:00
[05:02] <Tonio_> then Cincinnati 19:30 -> paris 09:50
[05:02] <Tonio_> that looks like dangerous
[05:03] <imbrandon> heh
[05:03] <Tonio_> I'll have to be very quick :)
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: since you travel a lot, do you think that's possible ?
[05:04] <Riddell> entirely depends on the mood of the airport
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah....
[05:04] <Riddell> but it sounds risky
[05:05] <DaSkreech> and wether or not you have a beard and turban
[05:05] <imbrandon> just hope the terror alert dosent raise that day
[05:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe indeed :)
[05:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: restarting kde
[05:08] <Tonio_> tonio    23673  0.0  0.0   1864   628 ?         ;) I only tested
[05:09] <dholbach> Riddell: please check http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/bluez-utils.debdiff and http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/kdebluetooth.debdiff
[05:10] <dholbach> Riddell: once you're sufficiently happy, I'll ask Tollef for approval
[05:11] <Riddell> looks good to me, in so far as I know nothing about bluetooth :)
[05:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: to load ?
[05:12] <Riddell> dholbach: I'd remove the commented out lines from kbluepin.autostart.desktop
[05:12] <dholbach> Riddell: easy enough to do
[05:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I tested the patches deeply, and I can confirm the issues are resolved, that's the point :)
[05:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_, running / surfing
[05:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah, but running as a trick since I configured kds to preload one konqueror instance :)
[05:13] <Tonio_> but to surf, yes, the performances are impressive, nothing to do with firefox
[05:13] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:13] <dholbach> Riddell: updated
[05:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just the web compatibility, but that'll have to wait for webkit... kde4
[05:14] <Riddell> dholbach: upload it!
[05:14] <dholbach> Riddell: rock on
[05:15] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:16] <Riddell> hi Mez
[05:17] <Mez> Riddell: do you have any boxes of Kubuntu CDs left?
[05:18] <Mez> I need some - the darn things are going like hotcakes
[05:18] <Riddell> I do but I'd rather not spend my money on the postage, use shipit
[05:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to polish and finish the ark code today and get them in svn...
[05:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: good plan
[05:18] <Mez> Riddell: I'll happily paypal you the money for postage...
[05:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: too late for edgy, for edgy is about over for me, there is no much thing I can do now since there are no milestone bugs than concern my work
[05:19] <Mez> Riddell: plus shipit will take wayy too long
[05:19] <Tonio_> so let's anticipate edgy+1 and come to uds with ready to work stuff :)
[05:20] <Riddell> now we have to fix gnome bugs in return
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: true !
[05:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whatever you want them to be
[05:21] <dholbach> Tonio_: i hope we'll be able to remove that hack soon in edgy+1 again ;)
[05:21] <Tonio_> dholbach: well I bookmarked the suse svn stuff... maybe in 3.5.6 with any chance...
[05:22] <dholbach> I sure hope so
[05:22] <Tonio_> http://www.fnac.com/Shelf/article.asp?PRID=1895811&Mn=3&SID=&TTL=&Origin=FnacAff&Ra=-50&To=0&Nu=2&UID=&Fr=0
[05:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, they havent really been set yet, thats to be decided between now and the end of UDS ;)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> so it seems
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh, right.
[05:24] <Sime> I'll back and still running. whoohoo!
[05:24] <Tonio_> is 386 version of ubuntu installable on an amd64 ?
[05:24] <Tonio_> I never used a 64 bit processor (outside of servers...)
[05:25] <Tonio_> I know winXP 32 bits works, so I assume yes, but I'd like to be sure
[05:26] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yes
[05:26] <Tonio_> Sime: hey :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i386 works perfect on a amd64
[05:26] <Tonio_> Sime: will you have time today so that we can check my audiocd issue ? ;)
[05:26] <Tonio_> I'll be there this time :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> ( you just cant run 64bit apps )
[05:26] <imbrandon> heya Sime
[05:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah of course, but looks interesting to install both in fact
[05:27] <Sime> Tonio_: I've actually gotta go do some cleaning... (honest)
[05:27] <Tonio_> Sime: okay no pb, just ping me when you can
[05:28] <Tonio_> Sime: I was confirmed it doesn't work on 3.5.5 edgy, so
[05:28] <Tonio_> 1/ I didn't port the patch correctly
[05:28] <Tonio_> 2/ there is a little change in 3.5.5 that cause the issue
[05:32] <bobesponja> hey all
[05:33] <bobesponja> I'm using edgy and when I use konqueror, it displays little square where there should be a '
[05:34] <bobesponja> any idea how to fix this?
[05:51] <nixternal> imbrandon: ever since switching over to the -generic kernel, i get these apic errors like i got with the k7 kernel and they lock up the machine
[05:51] <nixternal> [17179742.292000]  APIC error on CPU0: 01(01)
[05:53] <Mez> Riddell: pinh
[05:53] <Mez> ping *
[05:54] <Riddell> Mez: hmm?
[05:54] <Mez> Riddell: when you were making up the o2display for katapult, you made a way to use the images without using qembed ... do you still have that code lying around ?
[05:56] <Riddell> no, although I expect it would be the normal way of using a qpixmap
[05:57] <Mez> hmm - cause we're thinking of dropping qembed for 0.4
[05:57] <Mez> Riddell: do you have much experience with KConfigXT ?
[05:58] <Riddell> no
[05:58] <Mez> darnit... people seem to want katapult to use it... but rewriting the GUI etc etc is a PITA due to loading dynamic modules
[05:58] <Riddell> but you should think about porting to qt/kde 4 soon
[05:58] <Mez> Riddell: yeah - thats what I was thinking ... dont know what the best way to go about that is
[05:59] <Mez> Riddell: do you think we should port 0.3.x ? or just 0.4?
[05:59] <Riddell> why would you port an old version?
[06:00] <Mez> because we're not too sure if 0.4 is going to be released soon
[06:00] <Mez> and of course, we want a version to work with KDE 4.0
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Hi Mez
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Hi raphink
[06:21] <Mez> hi DaSkreech
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Is the new katapult shipping wit the spell module?
[06:23] <Mez> it will be ;)
[06:23] <Mez> if not grab and compile from source ;)
[06:24] <Mez> you can even compile 0.4-bzr from source if you want
[06:26] <Mez> DaSkreech, you might just want to grab it from source - it's the same as 0.3.x atm, however, it's now multi-threaded
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Why would multithreaded be useful with the number of catalogs tht we have now?
[06:29] <Mez> because the catalogs update in their own thread now
[06:30] <fdoving> does it support executing real commands?
[06:30] <fdoving> like a alt+f2 replacement?
[06:31] <Mez> atm: no - it's a planned feature
[06:31] <Mez> atm it only runs stuff that is in the desktop
[06:31] <Mez> actually thats a feature I can build now
[06:31] <fdoving> nice :)
[06:31] <fdoving> then i can start using it too. :)
[06:32] <Mez> when it allows you to run arbitary commands ?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> can it detect a CLI app and open it in konsole? :-)
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Mez: ! wait it can update catalogs dynamically now?
[06:36] <Mez> DaSkreech, it basically calls anything from your K Menu
[06:36] <Mez> DaSkreech, I believe so
[06:36] <fdoving> Mez: correct, when i can run what i want, not just .desktop files :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Right. So if I install something I don't have to restart katapult?
[06:36] <Mez> you SHOULDNT
[06:36] <DaSkreech> fdoving: You know that technically you can write a catalog that would do that? :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Like a kio slave catalog
[06:37] <Mez> I know it re-indexes on the close of the configure screen at least
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Mez:  :)
[06:37] <fdoving> DaSkreech: it's better if mez do that :)
[06:37] <Mez> fdoving: why not you do it - it's a simple job
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Mez: See? Your job is to have Developer docs done up :)
[06:38] <fdoving> Mez: so it's that simple?
[06:38] <Mez> fdoving: well - it's pretty much making the program catalog match anything and execute it. ..
[06:38] <gnomefreak> up until you run into errors its real simple
[06:38] <Mez> actually it might not be a good idea...
[06:39] <Mez> Hmm... it might not be as simple as I thought. ..
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Don't you have a kio slave want ad on the wiki?
[06:39] <Mez> DaSkreech, probably
[06:39] <DaSkreech> http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/Google_search
[06:39] <Mez> thinking about it fdoving/ DaSkreech, it wouldnt be that simple - as it would be a prequisite to have the catalog ordering first
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Well couldn't that be a user setting with some preconcieved default?
[06:41] <Mez> DaSkreech, we'd still need to code in the catalog priority stuff first
[06:41] <Mez> because the way the catalogs match at the moment are a little... random
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Oh catalogs don't have priority now?
[06:41] <DaSkreech>  I thought htey did
[06:43] <raphink> hi DaSkreech
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Are you associated with Icthux ?
[06:44] <raphink> yes, I'm the creator
[06:44] <Mez> anyone want to code catalog priority ?
[06:45] <DaSkreech> raphink: What was the intent?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Mez: Whats the requirements?
[06:49] <Mez> DaSkreech, that each catalog has a priority, it will search each catalog in rank until it finds one that matches
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Mez how does it do it now?
[06:49] <Mez> for example, checks programcatalog, if no match, then file catalog etc etc
[06:49] <Mez> DaSkreech, all of them return and it then picks a random thing
[06:49] <Mez> hence the bug
[06:50] <Mez> bug 33712
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33712 in eog "[Dapper]  some icons are blurry" [Unknown,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33712
[06:50] <Mez> bug 37712 *
[06:50] <DaSkreech> That doesn't seem related at all :)
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37712 in katapult "katapult prefers bookmark instead of binary" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37712
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Ah Right
[06:51] <DaSkreech> That is annoying
[06:51] <raphink> how do you mean DaSkreech?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> raphink: Is it an independent Distro or is it Ubuntu Khrisitan Edition?
[06:51] <raphink> it's included in Ubuntu now DaSkreech
[06:52] <raphink> but it's not officially supported by Canonical
[06:52] <raphink> our packages are in Universe
[06:52] <DaSkreech> raphink: Well Yeah :) but does it have it's own agenda or does it track Ubuntu Chrisitan Edition?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Mez: So something simple like an up and down arrow beside catalogs?
[06:52] <raphink> Ubuntu Christian Edition has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[06:53] <raphink> it is not even a distro
[06:53] <raphink> it doesn't make packages
[06:53] <raphink> has no release schedule
[06:53] <Mez> DaSkreech, something like that
[06:53] <Mez> but the codes gotta work too
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Mez: Ha ha :) Damnit Almost got away with it
[06:54] <DaSkreech> raphink: Whats the advantages of Icthux over UCE?
[06:54] <Riddell> it's not brown
[06:55] <raphink> DaSkreech: that it's a real distro? with real packages, a real schedule, and maintained by real developers, including quite a lot of Ubuntu and Debian devs
[06:55] <raphink> DaSkreech: also that it's genuine open-source
[06:55] <raphink> we don't include proprietary contents as they do
[06:55] <raphink> or even non-licensed ones
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Sorry I oly followed like two releases what propieatry are they using?
[06:55] <raphink> we respect the DFSG
[06:55] <DaSkreech>  the Filter?
[06:55] <raphink> the firefox theme
[06:55] <raphink> and wallpapers
[06:55] <raphink> at least
[06:56] <raphink> as for the way it works
[06:56] <raphink> Ubuntu CE uses scripts as Automatix
[06:56] <raphink> which is against the way Ubuntu does it
[06:56] <raphink> Ichthux uses metapackages
[06:56] <raphink> as Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu
[06:58] <raphink> DaSkreech: do you need more reasons?
[06:58] <raphink> DaSkreech: of course, Ubuntu CE evolves faster, cause making scripts is faster than creating a real distro
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Well the only thing I really cared about was that it wasn't tracking UCE
[06:58] <DaSkreech> but it seems to be in good hands
[06:59] <raphink> don't worry ;)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Go forward! :)
[06:59] <raphink> I've been working on Ichthux for more than a year
[06:59] <raphink> and we are Ubuntu core-devs, MOTUs and Debian developers
[06:59] <raphink> working on it
[06:59] <raphink> :)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Oh! Well congrats then you have acheived what many set out to do and failed :0
[06:59] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[06:59] <raphink> :)
[06:59] <raphink> yes :)
[06:59] <raphink> synrg posted about it
[07:00] <raphink> DaSkreech: you can read http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2006/09/13/ichthux-a-joint-debian-ubuntu-project
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Wehre?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[07:00] <raphink> and http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2006/10/06/ichthux-and-ubuntu-ce-why-two-projects
[07:00] <DaSkreech> I get 404
[07:01] <raphink> works fine here
[07:03] <raphink> hope
[07:03] <raphink> I'm gone :)
[07:03] <raphink> DaSkreech: feel free to come on #ichthux if you want more infos sometime :)
[07:03] <raphink> or #ichthux-devel
[07:04] <Mez> so, DaSkreech, want to ?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> I'll lookit the code to see how inviting it is
[07:05] <DaSkreech> But I have to run right now
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Where's the repo I'll pull it while I'm out
[07:08] <Mez> http://launchpad.net/products/katapult/+branches/dev
[07:08] <Mez> sorryt
[07:08] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/people/katapult-dev/+branch/katapult/dev
[07:15] <Mez> anyone here have SVN access?
[07:15] <Riddell> yes
[07:15] <Riddell> assuming you mean kde
[07:16] <Mez> Riddell: fancy pushing up the katapult code so I can announce a string freeze (my PC with my SSH key isnt connected to the net yet)
[07:16] <Riddell> if you give me a diff
[07:16] <Mez> Riddell: will do
[07:17] <Mez> Riddell: out of curiostiy - why did you add the FDL licence to SVN? I thought I got rid of the FDL stuff
[07:17] <Riddell> KDE docs are under FDL, the licence needs to be included
[07:18] <Mez> have debian accepted the FDL now ?
[07:18] <Riddell> yes
[07:18] <Mez> ah, fair enough
[07:22] <Mez> una momenta, just bumping version numbers
[07:26] <Mez> Riddell... why does svn revert not work
[07:26] <Riddell> I've never used it
[07:30] <kwwii> Riddell: one question: do I have to rename the package back to "ubuntu" before I commit and rebuild?
[07:31] <Mez> Riddell: http://tiber.tauware.de/~mez/katapult.diff
[07:31] <Riddell> kwwii: no
[07:32] <Riddell> kwwii: you also don't need to build it, unless you want to test the package
[07:33] <kwwii> Riddell: forget that, it works now...I screwed up
[07:33] <kwwii> Riddell: two pics added to bzr
[07:33] <kwwii> well, not added, changed
[07:34] <Mez> Riddell: hopefully that'll let me know via #katapult when you commit it
[07:49] <Riddell> hmm?
[07:50] <Mez> My name is spelt "Meredith"
[07:50] <Riddell> close enough
[07:51] <Mez> not for me ;)
[07:52] <dholbach> Mez: we're doing a release! not posing for a beauty contests!
[07:52] <dholbach> :-P
[07:53] <Mez> and now I'm immortalised in KDE's logs with a misspelt name
[07:54] <Mez> dholbach, wouldnt you complain if you were called "Daniel Holeback" ?
[07:54] <dholbach> Mez: you don't want to know how often they spell me 'Holback'
[07:54] <Mez> ;)
[07:54] <Mez> and I bet you dont like it ;)
[07:54] <dholbach> or after i got my holba.ch domain, I'm "Daniel Holba"
[07:55] <Mez> lol
[07:55] <dholbach> pffft, I normally have more urgent matters to cope with :)
[07:56] <Mez> ;) atm I dont ;) cause I have no net
[07:56] <dholbach> ...
[07:56] <dholbach> see you!
[08:05] <rick_> there's a major problem with cups, I follow a tip, on the bug pad page, to fix the setup a new printer issue.. and now printer setting keeps crashing
[08:07] <rick_> hello
[08:28] <oslo> hi i'm updating from dapper to edgy right now
[08:29] <oslo> i see there is 25 package remaining *upgradable* and i notice that "xorg" package wasn't install, is it alright for i reeboot ??
[08:32] <oslo> here the 25's http://paste-bin.com/942
[08:33] <Mez> oslo, you done a dist-upgrade ?
[08:34] <oslo> yes
[08:34] <oslo> update upgrade dist-upgrade, in each order
[08:35] <Mez> dselect-upgrade
[08:36] <oslo> Mez"> sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade" ???
[08:38] <Mez> ;)
[08:41] <oslo> Mez> its better now only 6 left :p
[08:41] <rick_> cups please
[08:41] <Mez> now try the other 2 again
[08:42] <oslo> already tried, 2 after update upgrade dist-upgrade & then dist-upgrade
[08:43] <Mez> what packages lefT?
[08:43] <oslo> http://paste-bin.com/944
[08:45] <oslo> Mez.
[08:45] <Mez> not too sure about the python stuff
[08:45] <Mez> but the x thing is just a meta-package
[08:45] <oslo> so u think i can reboot ?
[08:46] <oslo> and i ll be on edgy ?
[08:46] <oslo> all dis done for that ?
[08:46] <Mez> I cant promise - but more than likely (maybe with a couple of broken python things)
[08:48] <oslo> k
[08:49] <oslo> when i apt-get update have some key problems http://paste-bin.com/945 may it's because of that
[08:50] <oslo> "GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release"
[08:50] <oslo> ho dapper
[08:50] <oslo> so im trying rebooting
[08:51] <oslo> i'm cossing my fingers ....
[08:58] <Sime> Tonio_: did you patch for the icon/detail view icons make it into edgy???
[09:21] <Mez> i think we killed oslo
[09:29] <oslo> i sucessed to boot
[09:29] <oslo> it was hard
[09:30] <oslo> i'm on my old kernel but on edgy, so time for lunch it exaushted me
[09:30] <oslo> ':)
[09:35] <kwwii> who wants to test a kmenu?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Kickoff? :)
[09:40] <kwwii> DaSkreech: no, just a pic for the side bar
[09:41] <DaSkreech> There's a sidebar?
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Oh right I turned that off I think
[09:41] <kwwii> hehe
[09:44] <nuku> is there a kickoff for kubuntu yet?
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Yes. Easily installable .. .not that I know of
[09:46] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png
[09:46] <nuku> well i compiled it but it has various suse specific stuff in it and i was to lazy to patch this all out .. like icons and yast stuff..
[09:49] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Well done. Let me go turn min ebak on
[09:54] <kwwii> DaSkreech: well, you need to get both pics (I just commited them to bzr)
[10:02] <ryanakca> kwwii: sure
[10:03] <ryanakca> kwwii: how do I test it?
[10:04] <kwwii> ryanakca: let me put the newest version on my server...the only way to test it is to either build the whole k-d-s package or simply copy two pics over the default ones in /usr/share/apps/kicker/pics/
[10:05] <ryanakca> I'll do the later... the former looks like too much work.. and CPU time :)
[10:05] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:06] <ryanakca> got a link?
[10:06] <ryanakca> or wait... it's in k-d-s?
[10:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: heliocastro is happy to look at ark stuff
[10:10] <kwwii> ryanakca: yepp
[10:10] <DaSkreech> kwwii: !
[10:11] <DaSkreech> I remember what I wanted to bug you about now
[10:11] <ryanakca> kwwii: kk
[10:11] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ask him to do a logo for akademy 2007
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Do a logo for akademy 2008
[10:11] <DaSkreech> no wit
[10:11] <DaSkreech> 2007 :)
[10:11] <kwwii> I promise I will do it for 2008
[10:12] <kwwii> if you can still find me
[10:13] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[10:13] <DaSkreech> can't the usplash show the startup messages?
[10:13] <DaSkreech>  or can we have one that shows it?
[10:13] <DaSkreech>  If not by default?
[10:13] <DaSkreech>  It's very very distracting
[10:15] <kwwii> hehe
[10:16] <kwwii> I think it still can someehow
[10:16] <kwwii> no idea, really
[10:16] <kwwii> the whole point this time was to get away from them
[10:17] <DaSkreech> Well yes but it's teriibly distracting
[10:17] <DaSkreech> I can understand having it as a default
[10:17] <DaSkreech>  it makes Windows users toes feel toasty
[10:18] <DaSkreech> but having no idea what's happening during a boot makes my blood pressure hospital worthy
[10:20] <kwwii> hehe
[10:20] <kwwii> there should be some hook to be able to go to text mode, but I guess it is not possible with the usplash
[10:20] <kwwii> the bootsplash can do it...don't blame me :p
[10:20] <DaSkreech> and after watching everyone in the room stare at the screen while the Live CD booted has made me realise it doesn't affect only me
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Well yeah I can hit escape and dot it but ... would be nice to have form AND functionality
[10:37] <ryanakca> hmm... why can't I come back to VT7 or VT8 (X.Org)? I can go to vt1, but I can't get back, just like I can start a new X session, but I can't get back to the previous one... (btw, I'm using Ctrl-Alt-F(1-8))
[10:39] <ryanakca> kwwii: what files do I move where?
[10:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: for an RC picture... I had seen something simillar to this a while back... dunno where... but GIMP a license plate saying 'Kubu(logo)ntu'...
[10:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: something simillar to this: http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20061013134203_7916.jpg
[10:43] <ryanakca> or http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20061013134256_9062.jpg
[10:45] <kwwii> ryanakca: to be honest, I have already changed it a few hundred times since then...let me tell you when I have a really perfect one
[10:45] <ryanakca> kk, I liked that last one..
[10:45] <ryanakca> kk
[10:45] <kwwii> several people mentioned that it was way too "in your face"
[10:45] <ryanakca> really? heh
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: heliocastro will revu tonight, thanks for the info
[10:47] <DaSkreech> oh Riddell is !kubuntu an issue?
[10:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what's that?
[10:49] <DaSkreech> !kubuntu
[10:49] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org for support: #kubuntu ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:49] <Riddell> seems good to me
[10:49] <DaSkreech> Hmm funny
[10:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm, it's a bit US centric, and I suspect it won't have a free copying licence
[10:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ontari -> Canada :)
[10:52] <ryanakca> kk
[10:53] <ryanakca> I'll check for license... if it doesn't, I'll have a crack at making one this weekend :)
[10:53] <ryanakca> s/Ontari/Ontario
[10:54] <ryanakca> hmm... Maybe a 'Linux' in the place of 'Ontario', the kubuntu logo in the place of the crown, and the kubuntu motto/slogan in the place of 'Yours to discover'?
[10:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: it's 'freeware'... would that count as a 'free copying' licence? http://www.acme.com/
[10:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: aha, found their licence: http://www.acme.com/license.html ... I'm reading over it.. from what I can see, it can be redistributed
[10:59] <ryanakca> it's basicly a boiled down BSD licence saying 'Do what you want, we don't care, just don't sue us' :)
[11:08] <DaSkreech> can We have someone kicked from the chan for being an idel git?
[11:10] <ryanakca> hmm... idle git? dunno
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Twice I've come back toe hchan to find an entire page of the person disconnecting and reconnecting on three computers
[11:11] <DaSkreech> It's not distracting till you realise that nearly eveeryone disconnecting and reconnecting is the same perso nand they do it twice a minute
[11:11] <ryanakca> yeah, I don't think that's right...
[11:27] <kwwii> ok, check out the difference between http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png and http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap2.png
[11:28] <kwwii> tell me which one is better
[11:29] <Riddell> they both look good to me :)
[11:30] <Hawkwind> I agree, they both look very nice
[11:31] <DaSkreech> I like the bolder one :)
[11:45] <ryanakca> kwwii: I like http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png :)
[11:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, should I use something like the ones generated by acme? or should I make an international style one with 'Kubuntu' at the top; in the middle row, KUBU(KUBUNTU LOGO)NTU; and in the last row, the kubuntu motto, or should I scrap the idea and look for something else?
[11:50] <ryanakca> s/Kubuntu at the top/Linux at the top
[11:51] <Riddell> international style one... sounds good
[11:52] <ryanakca> kk, I'll give it a crack tonight after supper, or t'morrow morning... :)
[11:55] <DaSkreech> There should be an Ubuntu Gaming team :(
[11:58] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: I think there is one... look on launchpad...
[12:00] <DaSkreech> There should be a >visible< Ubuntu Gaming team :(
[12:03] <ryanakca> yeah, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntugames ...
[12:04] <ryanakca> they should ask to have something in the forums... (dunno if they do, I haven't been on the forums for a while :-(   )