[02:51] <bddebian> Hello
[03:01] <gotama> Hi There! Has anyone succeeded in installing the scanner Epson Perfection 1270?
[04:41] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:47] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:47] <sbalneav> Hey bddebian
[06:03] <LaserJock> evening
[07:19] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you around?
[07:19] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Yep
[07:19] <LaserJock> heah
[07:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22029
[07:20] <highvoltage> good morning sbalneav and LaserJock
[07:21] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[07:21] <sbalneav> evening highvoltage
[07:21] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Looks good
[07:21] <LaserJock> much simpler than what I had before
[07:21] <sbalneav> Only thing I'd do is ditch the empty declaration of XDG_CONFIG_DIRS= at the top
[07:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:22] <sbalneav> Other than that, looks shweet
[07:24] <sbalneav> You happy with it?  The solution, I mean?
[07:24] <LaserJock> ok, so how am I going to come up with .menu files? :-)
[07:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yes, very excellent
[07:24] <sbalneav> Super Duper
[07:24] <LaserJock> it's small, fast, and it works
[07:24] <sbalneav> 12:20 am here.  Need to get up at 6:30
[07:24] <sbalneav> time for bed :)
[07:24] <LaserJock> yikes
[07:24] <LaserJock> sure
[07:24] <LaserJock> good night
[07:25] <sbalneav> Night, dude!
[07:29] <LaserJock> ok, I'm out too
[07:29] <LaserJock> good night highvoltage
[07:29] <highvoltage> night LaserJock!
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i hereby announce the assimilation of abs-cbn foundation into ubuntu and edubuntu!
[08:19] <jsgotangco> bwahahha
[08:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what is abs-cbn again? it sounds very familiar
[08:21] <jsgotangco> well its a television network
[08:22] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABS-CBN
[08:22] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco, highvoltage
[08:22] <jsgotangco> but i'll be working at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABS-CBN_Foundation
[08:25] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i had a small lunch with the head of GILAS http://www.gilas.org (FLASH)
[08:26] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia
[08:26] <jsgotangco> so two foundations are now looking into FOSS into their school projects
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: very cool. What are you going to be doing there?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> well mostly doing stuff for E Media, how a traditional TV based education system evolve to something that uses computers
[08:28] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:28] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: looks very nice
[08:28] <jsgotangco> its quite challenging
[08:28] <highvoltage> internet in schools+++
[08:29] <jsgotangco> some parts are awaiting for wimax
[08:34] <RichEd> hi guys
[08:35] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:35] <jsgotangco> we're a go-go-go
[08:35] <RichEd> So is it official jsgotangco ? offer made & accepted ?
[08:35] <jsgotangco> offer is made and quite delish
[08:36] <RichEd> ahhh small lunch with delish offer for desert :)
[08:37] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I've got an hour set aside to put that mail together for you as promised ...
[08:37] <jsgotangco> the hard part is reallhy e media...
[08:37] <RichEd> note that Canonical is a member of the HP consortium for NEPAD eSchools, and so is Mindset
[08:38] <RichEd> And there is general agreement that partners in the consortium need to network and share opportunities
[08:38] <RichEd> So any discussion will not come in as a surprise from left field to them.
[08:39] <jsgotangco> RichEd: well to be frank, the discussion is not so much into technology, which is not surprising, the issue is more social
[08:39] <jsgotangco> we know technology will work, the question is how ;)
[08:41] <RichEd> Mindset is a social organisation, that uses appropriate tools. It's not "a progress for the sake of technology" mission.
[08:41] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: did tuxlabs provide content? or just a lab and connectivity?
[08:41] <jsgotangco> RichEd: here's the thing, we have content, with a medium that works
[08:43] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we provide content, but not connectivity
[08:43] <highvoltage> connectivity is only something we're starting to roll out now (a great relief for our support team)
[08:44] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: is the content based in the school curriculum?
[08:44] <highvoltage> yes
[08:44] <highvoltage> it's curriculum alligned and approved by government
[08:44] <highvoltage> the curriculum we use is http://www.computers4kids.co.za, http://www.learnthings.co.za, http://www.mindset.co.za
[08:44] <jsgotangco> that's exactly what we're looking
[08:45] <highvoltage> we wouldn't be able to install the labs so easily with local government approval if we didn't have the right content
[08:45] <highvoltage> unfortunately, non of it is free software :/
[08:45] <highvoltage> although, we do include some free content, such as the SOS Children Wikipedia distribution, Howtoons, etc
[08:45] <jsgotangco> i think the issues are pretty much the same
[08:46] <jsgotangco> i was told that MS sells its OS for $2.50 per PC with GILAS
[08:46] <jsgotangco> USD
[08:46] <jsgotangco> but GILAS still prefers something that is free (in cost)
[08:46] <highvoltage> in south africa, MS gives Windows and MS Office for school for free until 2008
[08:46] <highvoltage> after that i think they have to pay full price again :/
[08:46] <RichEd> highvoltage: The match between eMedia and Mindset is spot on. From the donor philanthropic aims & funding down to delivery by apropriate technology medium, starting with Newspapers, and moving through Video casettes, standard TV, satellite, and onto streaming content.
[08:47] <RichEd> highvoltage: are you sure about the free Windows ? that's not what HP was exposed to.
[08:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: yep, i'm sure
[08:49] <RichEd> The argument from MS was that giving away an operating system is a bad precedent. There is still an OEM charge for Windows, but Office is free. That was the GautengOnline situation.
[08:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: although it only applies to schools that own existing windows licenses (win95, win98, etc)
[08:50] <highvoltage> schools with brand new equipment (like g-o), will have to pay for new licenses
[08:50] <RichEd> So its free if you already have it and donlt need it. But not free if you need it and want it. That sounds about right for the usual attittude ;)
[08:50] <highvoltage> some of our schools have an additional lab, where they went for the free licenses. unfortunately they couldn't show me the agreement (i'd love to take it apart)
[08:50] <jsgotangco> RichEd: with GILAS, everything is donated, but eMedia sells content
[08:50] <highvoltage> RichEd: spot on :)
[08:51] <jsgotangco> the GILAS people also have a project for primary school which is different and geared towards content delivered on satellite, like a tivo
[08:51] <RichEd> highvoltage: I'm offering you free use of a Lamborghini, if you have one already. If not, you are welcome to buy one at retail value.
[08:52] <RichEd> :)
[08:52] <highvoltage> RichEd: i just happen to own a Lamborghini
[08:52] <highvoltage> RichEd: when can I fetch my new one?
[08:52] <RichEd> Great. Feel free to use the existing one without paying me royalties.
[08:52] <highvoltage> heh
[08:53] <RichEd> Note that you will need the necessary paperwork and an affidavit to prove that you can't spell OpenSource.
[08:54] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i think the premise here is we need something that we could refer to. We can't shoot ourselves by introducing an untested medium that makes the existing one obsolete by all avenues even if its untested
[08:55] <RichEd> jsgotangco: Let me get one last positioning statement for Mindset and then I'll leave the topic until I send you the mail
[08:55] <jsgotangco> computers4kids seem to be fine
[09:00] <RichEd> Mindset seeks to educate children. Mindset partners with media channels. Mindset's most significant media partner is MNet, a pay TV channel, satellite via decoder, who's footprint is Africa. MNet channels range from entertainment, movies, sport, kids cartoons. MNet will not support any attempt to dilute the standard pay-TV market. Mindset uses computers in schools to primarily to aid the accessability of normal TV education programs i
[09:00] <RichEd> n a store for replay setup.
[09:03] <jsgotangco> hmm like a tivo
[09:07] <RichEd> right ... I have urgent work I need to do ... CD / DVD education opinions for ogra, proposal for russian education project, and education forward plan for mark
[09:08] <highvoltage> RichEd: when you have a gap, I have some questions for you too, ping me when you have a gap :)
[09:09] <RichEd> (and Mindset mail + suggestions for Jerome)
[09:09] <RichEd> jsgotangco: last comment before I bury my head ...
[09:09] <jsgotangco> yeah?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> RichEd: im supposed to wait something? or was your last statement the comment itself ;)
[09:15] <cbx33> mornin peeps
[09:30] <RichEd> highvoltage: I got disconnected ... did you see my pvt window ?
[09:31] <cbx33> RichEd: anything happeneing on the marketting front? - If you're super busy, put me on ignore mode :p
[09:40] <RichEd> cbx33: answered in private window
[09:42] <Burgundavia> hey! I can actually make a Edubuntu meeting!
[09:43] <cbx33> RichEd:
[09:43] <cbx33> dang it
[09:43] <cbx33> I havn't identified and I sent you a bunch of replies
[09:43] <cbx33> hang on
[10:42] <RichEd> hi willvdl
[10:43] <RichEd> you leaving tomorrow ?
[10:43] <willvdl> hi RichEd
[10:43] <RichEd> will you be at the meeting tonight ?
[10:43] <willvdl> tomorrow evening yeah
[10:43] <willvdl> yip. nice an early one for us :)
[10:43] <RichEd> okay ... are you available during the day tomorrow
[10:44] <willvdl> yip
[10:45] <juliux> morning
[10:45] <cbx33> hhheyy hi willvdl
[10:45] <cbx33> hi juliux
[10:45] <juliux> hi cbx33
[10:45] <willvdl> hehey cbx33
[11:50] <cbx33> ping ogra : only when you have a sec
[02:27] <highvoltage> :)
[02:27] <flint> highvoltage, that was a very quiet meeting that we were in the middle of eh?
[02:28] <highvoltage> i don't think there was an actual meeting
[02:28] <highvoltage> but we clobber up the logs and people sometimes complain
[02:28] <highvoltage> it's best not to have long random conversations in  ubuntu-meeting :)
[02:29] <highvoltage> flint: and we confuse jsgotangco :p
[02:29] <jsgotangco> i still have to remember that some of our meetings are at 4am HERE
[02:29] <jsgotangco> ;)
[02:29] <flint> jsgotangco, that is a very tough schedule for you to meet personally!!!
[02:30] <highvoltage> 1-5am is probably the worst times a meeting can take place
[02:31] <flint> jsgotangco, Jerome, I will be continuing to work on the documentation package I shared with (and stole from) Jonathan, once I get my new house in order.  Note that this will take some time.
[02:35] <jsgotangco> you moved to france?
[02:40] <flint> jsgotangco, nah, Vermont.  I got to to go back to working as an electrician.  Bye for now!!!
[02:52] <spiekey> hello!
[02:53] <highvoltage> hi spiekey
[02:53] <spiekey> does someone know a easy to use linux school server?
[02:54] <spiekey> it should have some sort of pdc (samba), too
[02:54] <spiekey> since i have a mixed infrastructure here.
[02:54] <highvoltage> you can do samba on Edubuntu
[02:54] <spiekey> well, yes.
[02:54] <ogra> its even preinstalled :)
[02:54] <highvoltage> although it's not automated as much as you'd probably like it to be :/
[02:54] <spiekey> currently i am using sarge. so whats the diffrence? :D
[02:55] <ogra> just not preconfigured
[02:55] <highvoltage> edubuntu has much newer packages than sarge
[02:55] <spiekey> i was hoping to find some easy to use web interface so that the teachers can use it too.
[02:55] <highvoltage> so you can expect less bugs, more optimised software, and a shorter release schedule
[02:55] <ogra> are you using sarge with the debian ltsp-server packages ?
[02:55] <spiekey> nope
[02:55] <highvoltage> are you using ltsp at all?
[02:56] <spiekey> nope
[02:57] <spiekey> they have a weak server and 4 Windows clients, too.
[03:00] <spiekey> i keep bumping into trouble with that M$ crap...every time :(
[03:01] <highvoltage> spiekey: i've been there
[03:01] <highvoltage> spiekey: what kind of problems to you have?
[03:01] <ogra> well, install an edubuntu server, use the existing windows clients as thin client terminals and you wil only have to care for everything in one place ;)
[03:01] <highvoltage> and how powerful are those workstations and server?
[03:02] <spiekey> server is 800MHz and 512MB Ram
[03:02] <spiekey> so are the clients
[03:02] <spiekey> ogra: use the windows clients as linux clients you mean?
[03:02] <highvoltage> that's a lot of ram for clients, they should be able to run as full workstations quite easily
[03:03] <spiekey> they do run well. yes.
[03:03] <highvoltage> do you have any edubuntu live cd's?
[03:03] <spiekey> i actually dont have a problem right now. i just wanted to check out if there is a project which covers linux-server, windows clients, linux clients, printing, internet-proxy.
[03:04] <spiekey> highvoltage: i have installed one edubuntu box here,  and its lovly
[03:04] <highvoltage> i think i've heard of a school server distribution before, but can't remember what it's called
[03:04] <spiekey> http://www.skolelinux.de/ ?
[03:05] <spiekey> but they dont support windows clients i think
[03:05] <ogra> they do as we do ...
[03:05] <highvoltage> no it isn't skolelinux that I thought of
[03:05] <ogra> we're working on quite similar stuff
[03:06] <ogra> i.e. i develop th enew ltsp and most external contributions come from the skole people ...
[03:06] <spiekey> intresting.
[03:06] <ogra> so what we have is very similar ... just that we base on ubuntu wih all its advantages
[03:06] <spiekey> e.g i am missing some easy tool/interface to change users and add them. So that teachers can do this.
[03:06] <highvoltage> spiekey: there's Wizzy, which is a generic school server, but I don't think it does samba
[03:06] <highvoltage> http://www.wizzy.org.za
[03:15] <cbx33> hi ogra
[03:25] <jsgotangco> wizzy does things differently
[03:26] <highvoltage> indeed
[03:26] <highvoltage> we have wizzy servers in some of our tuxlabs, although they only do mail and web cache and ldap in our labs
[03:27] <RichEd> hi ogra ... I'm not having any luck finding a place to poll people for Education opinion on DVD vs CD ...
[03:27] <RichEd> #schoolforge is dead ... no members at all today
[03:27] <ogra> no answer on the k12 mailing list ?
[03:28] <RichEd> I will send a mail to the list ... I haven't sent an introduction to them yet, so will get that both done in one go.
[03:28] <ogra> ah, k
[03:28] <RichEd> We'll be around when they are active, with the late meeting tonight.
[03:28] <RichEd> I'll be able to give you feedback then.
[03:30] <ogra> ok
[03:35] <aspekt> RichEd: I prefer CD based disty - look at Suse - you can have both and if you ask for packages that are on a different CD it asks you to stick the CD.   Hacking, hacking, hacking.  Now that localdev's starting to wrap up, I'm turning my mind towards the future: what we need to do to get polyp/pulse audio into the mix.
[03:46] <cbx33> oooh nice sbalneav
[03:47] <willvdl> what exactly is polyp/pulse?
[03:47] <sbalneav> Distributed and/or network audio daemon.
[03:48] <sbalneav> Currently, all LTSP implementations use esd, but esd's got some.... problems.
[03:48] <cbx33> sbalneav, you da man :p
[03:48] <sbalneav> For instance: it can't handle mike input, you can't have any mixer control over it, so you can't set volumes, etc.
[03:49] <cbx33> :(
[03:49] <sbalneav> pulseaudio (they just went through a name change, used to be polypaudio), solves all that.
[03:49] <cbx33> sbalneav, :D
[03:50] <sbalneav> Ties nicely into the gstreamer stack, does QoS monitoring, handles inputs AND outputs, etc.
[03:50] <cbx33> sbalneav, would JACK be able to integrate with that ? heheh
[03:51] <sbalneav> Ummm, I've heard of jack, not sure.  It's got it's own little thing going, right?  It's not gstreamer aware?
[03:51] <cbx33> i don;t think so
[03:51] <cbx33> it handles oss and alsa for sure
[03:51] <willvdl> ah, thanks
[03:52] <willvdl> so it's more than just audio streaming?
[03:52] <sbalneav> Well, in a short sentance, it basically allows you to put an audio card out at the end of a network cable.
[03:53] <sbalneav> Which is what you need for a thin client: when you run a program on the server, you want the SOUND to come out at the thin client.
[03:53] <cbx33> yes
[03:53] <sbalneav> Therefore, you need something to move the sound from the server, to the client.
[03:53] <sbalneav> gstreamer/pulseaudio is that "something"
[03:54] <cbx33> excellent
[03:54] <sbalneav> gstreamer's a set of sound libraries.  The old way of doing sound was to simply write sound bits to /dev/audio.  Thats bad, because it means you can only use the sound card locally.
[03:55] <willvdl> right. audio tunnelling over IP
[03:55] <sbalneav> Rather, what you want to do is call a library function, and then IT can either write to /dev/audio, OR send it over the network, and let something ELSE write it to /dev/audio.
[03:55] <cbx33> sbalneav, is it compressed ?
[03:56] <cbx33> over the network?
[03:56] <sbalneav> the library bit's gstreamer, and the something that receives the network data, and writes it to /dev/audio is pulseaudio.
[03:56] <sbalneav> cbx33: You can turn on or off compression.
[03:56] <cbx33> ok
[03:56] <cbx33> i was just thinking of network bandwidth
[03:56] <sbalneav> On low power clients, with a 100 meg network, you'd be better off to send it uncompresses.
[03:56] <cbx33> yeH?
[03:57] <sbalneav> on a slow network, with a high powered terminal, compression makes more sense.
[03:57] <cbx33> yeh
[03:57] <cbx33> that's cool
[03:57] <cbx33> is that gonna be an edgy + 1 feature?
[03:57] <sbalneav> yep.
[03:57] <sbalneav> Localdevices gets solved in edgy
[03:57] <cbx33> is local apps going in there too?
[03:57] <sbalneav> No, not yet
[03:57] <cbx33> LocalApps makes it all a lot more feasible for my setup
[03:58] <sbalneav> that's a big issue, you need lots of bits for localapps
[03:58] <cbx33> I would imagine you would
[03:58] <sbalneav> i.e. local mounting of home dirs, network authentication, pam tieins, etc.
[03:58] <cbx33> yeh?
[03:58] <sbalneav> We'll probably start looking at the problem for edgy +1
[03:59] <cbx33> excellent
[03:59] <sbalneav> but I doubt the solution will be complete until edgy + n where n >= 2
[03:59] <cbx33> ahh i see
[04:00] <sbalneav> Off to a meeting.
[04:00] <cbx33> see ya sbalneav
[04:01] <cbx33> anyone know when knot 3 is due?
[04:05] <RichEd> thanks aspekt ... for the input
[04:09] <jsgotangco> cbx33: when knot 2 comes out first ;)
[04:09] <cbx33> I know
[04:09] <cbx33> but something I'm working on didn't make it to knot 2
[04:09] <RichEd> aspekt: ping for a sidebar ?
[04:10] <RichEd> you there will ?
[04:10] <jsgotangco> cbx33: well knot 2 is scheduled this weekend
[04:10] <jsgotangco> since its september next week, we'll probably have knot3 in 2 weeks or not at all ;)
[04:12] <cbx33> hehe
[04:12] <willvdl> hey RichEd
[04:13] <RichEd> hi ... back to window ?
[04:13] <willvdl> yip
[04:18] <jsgotangco> goodnight all
[04:18] <willvdl> ciao
[04:20] <cberlo> Hi folks.  Just wanted to drop a note that I just found out about XMing -- basically, a very small X server for Windows.  In conjunction with PuTTY, you can forward your X connection from Edubuntu to a Windows machine.  Makes demonstrating to a Windows user MUCH easier.
[04:21] <cberlo> ...and it even works under WINE (for the terminally curious tinkerer who would try such things)
[04:22] <cberlo> ogra: Now that that's working, let me revisit a question I abandoned a while back:  do you know of a way to get pam_mount (or any other SMB-mounting mechanism) to work with "standard" ldm connections?  I need to map drives at login.
[04:23] <cberlo> Okay, I see no one's all there right now... Gotta run.  I'll try send that to the users list.
[04:47] <Yagisan> do we have a list of thin clients that work with edubuntu ?
[04:49] <Petaris> Yagisan: I have been getting my dumb clients from SolarPC http://www.solarpc.com
[04:50] <cbx33> hi Yagisan
[04:50] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[04:50] <cbx33> havn't spoken for a while
[04:50] <cbx33> hows tricks
[04:50] <Petaris> Yagisan: http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/code/naig/index.php?album=SolarPC/
[04:51] <Yagisan> had an intresting feeling today - saw some of my code in a different project
[04:51] <cbx33> WOW
[04:51] <cbx33> Yagisan, what was that?
[04:52] <Yagisan> cbx33, yeah - my cmake build scripts were considered interesting and were included in a collection
[04:52] <cbx33> nice
[04:52] <Yagisan> cbx33, usually my code is really awful and no one wants it
[04:52] <cbx33> heheh
[05:03] <sbalneav> cbx33: pingy
[05:27] <RichEd> sbalneav: ping
[05:28] <sbalneav> riched
[05:28] <sbalneav> RichEd: pong
[05:29] <juliux> evening
[05:29] <juliux> hi RichEd
[05:30] <RichEd> hi juliux
[05:33] <juliux> RichEd, did you think we will have edubuntu/ubuntu cds two weeks after edgy ?
[05:34] <RichEd> juliux: I'll need to check the process through Marilize, but I think 2 weeks is a bit optimistic ...
[05:35] <juliux> RichEd, ok
[05:35] <RichEd> I'm presuming they will want to test before burnring by the thousand ...
[05:35] <juliux> RichEd, sure
[05:35] <RichEd> And then deliver image to pressing & prinmt company
[05:35] <RichEd> And then ship to SA, and then ship to you
[05:35] <RichEd> I'd say this is more that 2 weeks of process (in my estimation)
[05:36] <juliux> ok
[05:38] <ogra> RichEd, two weeks would be fairly late after release day
[05:39] <ogra> what should they test ? thats what we do *before* we release :)
[05:39] <juliux> ogra, hi, but is the image also tested?
[05:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:40] <RichEd> ogra: I thought there may be some sort of window for bug catches before commiting. And Shipit promises : Normal mail, 4-6 weeks.
[05:42] <ogra> well, usually the release is a release ... we test the CDs two weeks all day
[05:43] <sbalneav> ogra: find your 22 megs, BTW?
[05:44] <ogra> sbalneav, see yourself: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060830.1/
[05:44] <ogra> ;)
[05:44] <sbalneav> w00t :)
[05:45] <sbalneav> What did you take your sharp knife to?
[05:50] <Yagisan> hmm. I really need to get off my arse and apply for my edubuntu membership
[05:50] <juliux> go Yagisan go ;)
[05:51] <Yagisan> juliux, thanks. time to document, apt-get dist-upgrade and start hacking again
[05:52] <Yagisan> then I can bother ogra like I used to when I had more free time
[05:52] <ogra> sbalneav, a sharp knife and a grain of luck ...
[05:52] <ogra> well, rather a bolder
[05:52] <sbalneav> There a meeting today?
[05:52] <ogra> yep
[05:52] <ogra> 20:00 UTC
[05:59] <cbx33> ogra, I'll be unable to attend the meeting tonight
[05:59] <cbx33> I'm fighting with pessulus now
[06:04] <ogra> cbx33, i assume AliasVegas wont attend as well ?
[06:04] <ogra> (would be nice to hear something about artwork progress)
[06:04] <cbx33> no but she has some tiem tonight to work on more artwork
[06:04] <ogra> great 1
[06:04] <cbx33> we will probably get back after meeting ends
[06:04] <ogra> !
[06:05] <cbx33> ogra, I've spoken with vuntz
[06:05] <cbx33> and I'm trying to sort out pessulus
[06:05] <ogra> i know
[06:05] <cbx33> but I'm trying to find some docs on some undocumented functions he's using
[06:25] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock
[06:26] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:42] <EmxBA> hi
[08:15] <airjump> Thin client server
[08:15] <airjump> search some infos
[08:17] <sbalneav> airjump: Are you looking for information?
[08:21] <airjump> yes
[08:21] <airjump> i have a old sun sparc ultra 5
[08:21] <airjump> but no solaris
[08:21] <airjump> i will install ubuntu server on it
[08:22] <airjump> next step is i will install a thin client server
[08:22] <airjump> i have 2 sun ray's
[08:22] <airjump> That can be done ???
[08:23] <airjump> Have you some links?
[08:24] <sbalneav> I'm not sure if sunrays can be used as ltsp thin clients.
[08:24] <sbalneav> I have no experience with them myself.
[08:24] <airjump> i found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuOnSunRay
[08:26] <sbalneav> Well, that seems to indicate it can be done.
[08:26] <airjump> yes
[08:27] <airjump> In two weeks I take the time to try myself
[08:27] <airjump> Where do you come?
[08:28] <sbalneav> Myself?  I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
[08:28] <airjump> oh, i am from germany
[08:28] <airjump> what local time is it
[08:28] <airjump> ?
[08:29] <sbalneav> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=294+portage,+winnipeg,manitoba&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=49.893653,-97.142808&spn=0.009137,0.027122&t=k&om=1&iwloc=A
[08:29] <sbalneav> Here's where I'm sitting right at the moment :)
[08:29] <sbalneav> UTC-6
[08:29] <sbalneav> so it's 13:30 here.
[08:30] <airjump> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=45257+Essen,+Germany&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=51.390851,7.080688&spn=0.099619,0.344009&t=k&om=1
[08:30] <airjump> UTC + 2
[08:30] <airjump> local 20:30
[08:31] <sbalneav> Essen
[08:31] <airjump> yes
[08:31] <airjump> city
[08:31] <sbalneav> That's where the big high speed rail crash was a few years ago, right?
[08:31] <airjump> no
[08:32] <airjump> In close proximity to Eschede
[08:32] <sbalneav> Ah, sorry
[08:33] <airjump> i have a blog http://zille.wordpress.com If you have times
[08:34] <sbalneav> I'll have a look.  I might have to use babblefish, looks like :)
[08:34] <airjump> Do they work?  Or going to the school?
[08:34] <airjump> ok
[08:34] <sbalneav> Me?  I'm a sysadmin.  I've been working for 17 years.
[08:34] <sbalneav> I'm also and LTSP developer.
[08:35] <sbalneav> in my spare time :)
[08:35] <airjump> What is LTSP?
[08:35] <airjump> I try to write on English
[08:35] <airjump> in my blog
[08:35] <sbalneav> Thin Clients for Linux
[08:35] <airjump> ok
[08:35] <airjump> Have you a link
[08:36] <sbalneav> www.ltsp.org
[08:36] <sbalneav> I've been working with ogra for the thin client implentation in Ubuntu/Edubuntu
[08:37] <airjump> https://launchpad.net/people/zielonka-markus
[08:38] <airjump> have you a jabber account
[08:39] <airjump> Excuse my bad English
[08:39] <sbalneav> No, I don't.  I do all my communicating either via irc or email.
[08:40] <airjump> ok
[08:40] <airjump> you? https://launchpad.net/people/sbalneav
[08:41] <airjump> Were they on the Ubuntucon?
[08:41] <airjump> Sorry UBUCON
[08:41] <sbalneav> airjump: That's me.
[08:42] <sbalneav> I wasn't at ubucon, but I've been at the last 3 ubuntu developers meetings.
[08:42] <sbalneav> Where they do the speccing.
[08:43] <airjump> can you explain "speccing"
[08:46] <sbalneav> A "spec" is a specification.  Its where the features that will get included in the next version of Ubuntu get defined.
[08:46] <airjump> ok thanks
[08:47] <Burgwork> airjump, I was at Ubucon
[08:48] <airjump> have you a link with photo's
[08:48] <Burgwork> hmm
[08:50] <Burgwork> http://whiprush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/img_6478.jpg <-- only picture I can find
[08:51] <airjump> thanks
[08:51] <LaserJock> wahoo! Ubucon
[08:59] <airjump> What do you mean? wahoo! Ubucon
[09:02] <airjump> ok i say n8
[09:02] <airjump> bye
[09:09] <xipponk> hello, i would like to use a live cd in a lab that has machine running win2000. i don't want the students to be able to access the HD or the win2000 network. does edubuntu allow access to write to the local machine?
[09:10] <LaserJock> hmmm, if the Windows partition is NTFS then it wouldn't be writable I don't think
[09:11] <xipponk> if it is fat32 (i don't know i'm not there right now)
[09:11] <xipponk> does edubuntu have gcc or java sdk installed? pythin?
[09:11] <LaserJock> python
[09:12] <xipponk> right
[09:12] <LaserJock> not sure about gcc
[09:12] <LaserJock> and I doubt java
[09:12] <xipponk> does edubuntu have a packages.txt file?
[09:13] <xipponk> i am at the download sight and all i see are the iso's
[09:13] <xipponk> wait i found the pkg list
[09:14] <xipponk> clever, it's called : edubuntu-6.06.1-live-i386.list
[09:14] <xipponk> sorfry about the dumb question
[09:14] <xipponk> that's a short list
[09:14] <xipponk> LaserJock, are you running edubuntu now?
[09:15] <xipponk> sorry, scratch that i found the manifest
[09:15] <xipponk> gcc-3.3-base 1:3.3.6-10
[09:15] <xipponk> gcc-4.0-base 4.0.3-1ubuntu5
[09:15] <xipponk> ok gcc is ther
[09:16] <xipponk> java-common 0.24ubuntu2
[09:16] <xipponk> java-gcj-compat 1.0.56-0ubuntu1
[09:16] <xipponk> does edubuntu live have jdk ?
[09:17] <xipponk> it has python too.
[09:17] <xipponk> cool
[09:20] <LaserJock> xipponk: no, not at the moment
[09:20] <LaserJock> the live cd is different than an installed Edubuntu though
[09:21] <LaserJock> xipponk: no, edubuntu doesn't have jdk. Sun's java still has license issues I believe
[09:21] <xipponk> LaserJock, do you know what is in these pkgs: java-gcj-compat 1.0.56-0ubunt and java-gcj-compat 1.0.56-0ubuntu1
[09:22] <LaserJock> xipponk: ah, those are free java stuff, I'm not sure what exactly those are though, gimme a sec
[09:23] <LaserJock> "java-gcj-compat is a collection of wrapper scripts, symlinks and jar files.  It is meant to provide a Java-RTE-like interface to the GIJ/GCJ tool set."
[09:24] <xipponk> thanks
[09:24] <xipponk> thanks for your help
[09:31] <willvdl> evening all
[09:32] <RichEd> hello
[09:32] <LaserJock> hi RichEd and willvdl
[09:33] <highvoltage> evenin' willvdl
[09:33] <highvoltage> and RichEd and LaserJock
[09:34] <highvoltage> willvdl: guess what. telkom phoned today to say that they're installing my adsl line tomorrow, let's hope they get it right this time :)
[09:34] <highvoltage> (brb)
[09:35] <RichEd> busy with an email from a mentalist ... listen to this: "Edubuntu is very similar to Moodle but has some added features and I'm considering switching. "
[09:35] <willvdl> highvoltage, which kidney did they ask for?
[09:38] <Burgwork> right
[09:38] <Burgwork> RichEd, "attention kmart shoppers. Clue can be found in aisle 6 and is on special today"
[09:39] <LaserJock> RichEd: hmm, "Ubuntu is similar to Firefox but has some added features"
[09:39] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:41] <ryanpg> hi all... anyone able to suggest lessonplanning and grading software?
[09:48] <RichEd> Burgwork & LaserJock : he introduces himself as "the founder of an Internet Ministry" do I need to say more ;)
[09:48] <LaserJock> RichEd: which one?
[09:56] <rodarvus> Edubuntu meeting in 5 minutes, right?
[09:56] <RichEd> yes ... 4 minutes ...
[09:57] <rodarvus> ogra, ping
[09:57] <rodarvus> ogra was silent most day, must be quite busy with Knot-2
[09:58] <RichEd> [09:58] <crimsun> rodarvus: hi, did you receive my query regarding the headphone jack?
[09:58] <rodarvus> crimsun, yes! but forgot to answer
[09:58] <rodarvus> actually, I'm not using a headphone
[09:58] <crimsun> ok, np
[09:59] <crimsun> are there two output jacks, though?
[09:59] <rodarvus> but thanks for caring, anyway :)
[09:59] <rodarvus> *nods*, yes
[09:59] <rodarvus> as you said, in front of the laptop
[09:59] <highvoltage> hey rodarvus
[09:59] <crimsun> so is this an inaudible speaker problem or an inaudible jack(s) problem?
[10:00] <RichEd> [10:00] <crimsun> (feel free to follow up later, I'm in a meeting myself)
[10:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: vodacom 3g can be flakey hey? my connection also just dropped
[10:55] <peanut7836> could i upgrade from kubuntu to have a working ltsp server?
[11:00] <highvoltage> egh, peanut should've just stayed a bit longer
[11:03] <highvoltage> goodnight edubuntuland!
[11:13] <pips1> highvoltage: you still here?
[11:14] <highvoltage> pips1: i was just about to log out :)
[11:14] <pips1> I was wondering what is happening with the website...
[11:15] <pips1> will we do a handover? and if so, when?
[11:15] <highvoltage> pips1: i understood that you would own it now?
[11:15] <highvoltage> pips1: your account has admnistrative access
[11:15] <highvoltage> what can't you do atm?
[11:15] <pips1> ah, well, RichEd said you would send an email to make it official, introduce me to the sysadmin or smth?
[11:16] <highvoltage> ah, right
[11:16] <RichEd> hi ...
[11:16] <highvoltage> ok, we can do that tomorrow morning?
[11:16] <pips1> sure
[11:16] <highvoltage> pips1: until that's complete, you can start working on it immediately, the formalities doesn't have to cause a delay
[11:17] <rodarvus> guys, since the meeting is closed, then, I'll turn off my computer (thunder storm is really strong, though this is not amazonia :) )
[11:17] <highvoltage> you have full creative control :)
[11:17] <pips1> heh
[11:17] <pips1> :-)
[11:17] <highvoltage> rodarvus: ok, keep well!
[11:17] <rodarvus> see you guys later :)
[11:17] <pips1> highvoltage ok, I'll go wild :-D
[11:18] <highvoltage> pips1: great!
[11:18] <highvoltage> goodnight pips1 and ogra and RichEd and LaserJock
[11:18] <RichEd> night all
[11:18] <pips1> goodnight highvoltage!
[11:18] <ogra> night all
[11:18] <RichEd> pips ... email address again please ... too tired to do a search on launchpad
[11:19] <pips1><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:19] <pips1> outch, I just got myself some more spam too ;-)
[11:20] <RichEd> thanks ... will send you the email in the morning ... with my coffee ...
[11:20] <pips1> oki
[11:20] <pips1> have a good night everyone
[11:51] <RichEd> hi mhz ... we missed each other on monday
[11:52] <RichEd> And I am on my way to bed now ... it's midnight here after a long day
[11:52] <mhz> RichEd: hey!!
[11:52] <RichEd> I've been through your emails ... and digested.
[11:53] <mhz> I never expected you to be here
[11:53] <mhz> great!
[11:53] <RichEd> Let me give you a quick outline of where I am with this ...
[11:54] <RichEd> All sections heads have to prepare a 1 year strategy plan for Mark to review by end of tomorrow
[11:54] <RichEd> It's a full plan: mission, objectives, goals, actions, deadlines
[11:54] <RichEd> In order to give focus and prioritise effort.
[11:55] <RichEd> We have 2 main target sections:
[11:55] <RichEd> 1. adoption - become #1 or #2 in linux in education - within 12 months
[11:56] <RichEd> 2. show value to Canonical - by opening doors for Ubuntu & Services
[11:56] <RichEd> with me so far ?
[11:56] <Burgwork> sounds like a good plan to me
[11:56] <mhz> RichEd: 100%
[11:57] <RichEd> Once this is done, I'll be able to take your territory overview, and map against target sections.
[11:57] <RichEd> I will probably ask you to help me wth this ...
[11:57] <Burgwork> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=linux+education&btnG=Search <-- only distro mentioned is RH
[11:58] <Burgwork> #1 clearly drives #2. Do you have specific plans for #1?
[11:58] <RichEd> Burgwork: will be back in a sec
[12:00] <RichEd> seen this ? : http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5816278551.html
[12:01] <mhz> RichEd: well, I got good and not so good news
[12:01] <RichEd> yes Burgwork : lots of plans :)
[12:02] <Burgwork> hey nixternal
[12:02] <nixternal> well hello there sir
[12:02] <mhz> RichEd: with the current/new Chilean Gov, a good friend of mine as been designated as Director of FONADIS (national funding for 'accessibility')
[12:03] <RichEd> that sounds like the good news
[12:03] <mhz> RichEd: that is good news. I have already had a meeting with him and he has promised to help me on whatever I need
[12:03] <mhz> BUT... he just can't help mhz (one person) but an organization
[12:04] <mhz> and such organization has to have good background
[12:04] <Burgwork> right, so we need to find a partner
[12:04] <mhz> at least 2 years of life ;)
[12:05] <RichEd> understood ... and from our side, we can't just focus on one person, but a territory ... similar situation
[12:05] <mhz> RichEd: Next week, I'll have a meeting with FONADIS Director of Education
[12:05] <mhz> she is willing to see EDubuntu on action
[12:05] <RichEd> but if we can show how actions can help to meet objectives ... then we get interest & support
[12:05] <mhz> yeah
[12:06] <RichEd> FONADIS Director of Education <- what do they use now ?
[12:06] <mhz> So far, all I need is some kind of 'commitment', 'written agreement'  I am not alone in front of FONADIS
[12:06] <RichEd> m$ in schools ?
[12:06] <mhz> RichEd: nothing. That is why they are soooo interested
[12:07] <mhz> there are lots of people with a11y needs
[12:07] <mhz> and FONADIS has been receiving many 'temptations' from MS
[12:07] <RichEd> okay ... i am too tired to get creative now ... but we need to find the bridge step
[12:07] <mhz> so the FONADIS Director (my friend) has agreed to wait and see what I can offer
[12:08] <RichEd> and we can discuss this together to find that bridge
[12:08] <mhz> before he takes any MS product or services
[12:08] <mhz> RichEd: sure!!!
[12:08] <RichEd> how do you fit with the chilean Ubuntu loco team ?
[12:08] <mhz> RichEd: tomorrow, I will be busy all morning untill 17 UTC
[12:09] <mhz> RichEd: so far, I am the 'leader'
[12:09] <RichEd> I will be busy until midnight ...
[12:09] <mhz> but we are only 6 to 7 guys
[12:09] <RichEd> good ... loco news ... mail me your url
[12:09] <mhz> and 5 of them do not contribute on dauily basis, more in two-weeks basis
[12:09] <mhz> RichEd: okys
[12:10] <mhz> RichEd: firday?
[12:10] <mhz> friday good for a 'meeting'?
[12:10] <RichEd> but as ubuntu community loco leader, this makes you more than just a user
[12:11] <cbx33> hi all
[12:11] <RichEd> after 17 UTC is 7:00 pm for me here ... family time ...
[12:11] <RichEd> weekend ?
[12:11] <cbx33> how was the meeting
[12:11] <mhz> RichEd: sure, but Gov does not care unless they see something 'written'
[12:11] <mhz> FONADIS, as all other Gov orgs, play by Gov rules
[12:12] <RichEd> when is the meeting ? what day ?
[12:12] <mhz> RichEd: Friday... 16 UTC ?
[12:12] <RichEd> friday after 6:00 pm is difficult
[12:13] <mhz> 15 UTC ?
[12:13] <cbx33> hey ogra
[12:13] <mhz> weekend?
[12:13] <cbx33> sorry guys looks like the bot didn't manage to log this evenings meeting
[12:13] <cbx33> so minutes are out
[12:13] <RichEd> yes ... weekend is better ... sunday evening ?
[12:13] <RichEd> cbx33: i can send you my local log


[00:08] <one> rww: is there some external influence?
[00:12] <rww> one: Okays, let me lay this out for you.
[00:12] <rww> one: When you are in #ubuntu, you are incoherent. You came in here to try to get unbanned. You are being incoherent in here. I am not going to unban you from #ubuntu as long as you continue with this.
[00:12] <rww> one: So either 1) learn to English, or 2) tell me which language(s) you *do* speak properly and I'll find a LoCo channel for you, or 3) go elsewhere.
[00:14] <one> rww: you did use "should"
[02:56] <rww> cfhowlett: howdy, how can we help you?
[04:46] <rww> cfhowlett: per /topic, please don't idle in this channel, thanks :)
[04:47] <cfhowlett> got it
[05:25] <rww> phunyguy: I note #ubuntu
[11:58] <elky> i'm trying to go to bed. can someone who is not almost asleep tend to pollutant?
[21:23] <basketball> sorry about suppybot forgot to change settings from ubottu


[12:49] <caribou> Hi, any reason why I cannot locate the dbgsym package for linux-image-3.13.0-45-generic ?
[12:49] <caribou> This seems like a valid official kernel
[12:50] <apw> caribou, where have you looked for it
[12:51] <caribou> apw: I've setup the ddebs.ubuntu.com archives & it doesn't find it
[12:51] <caribou> apw: that's usually where I go to get them & what is documented in the Crashdump Recipe wiki
[12:51] <apw> caribou, you mean -45 or -54 ?
[12:51] <caribou> apw: -45
[12:52] <apw> caribou, the old ones always go missing don't they ?
[12:52] <apw> thats -10 behind tip
[12:52] <apw> i thought the STS guys kept an archive though
[12:53] <caribou> apw: I thought it had been fixed before Trusty
[12:53] <caribou> apw: used to be me :-/
[12:53] <apw> they had been fixed to be generate, they still get cleared out when they are unpublished
[12:53] <apw> that said, going forward i beleive they are in the librarian
[12:53] <apw> and therefore permenant until the series is archived
[12:53] <apw> but i odubt it goes back that far
[12:55] <caribou> well, that's a trusty kernel & the other 3.13 are there
[12:56] <caribou> apw: -32 & -53 are there. Looks like this one took a summer vacation
[12:56] <caribou> arges: do you still archive the ddebs ?
[13:25] <arges> caribou: which one do you need
[13:26] <caribou> arges: linux-image-3.13.0-45-generic
[13:26] <caribou> arges: otherwise I'll try to rebuild it
[13:27] <arges> caribou: i do not have it unfortunately
[13:27] <caribou> arges: that's fine
[13:28] <apw> arges, your job to suck them down is automated right?  which kinda implies we never had it
[13:28] <apw> i am glad that is resolved going forward
[13:28] <arges> apw: it appears my cronjob was not running. so I'm fixin gthat now
[13:28] <caribou> arges: remember the requirement for rebuilding them correctly ?
[13:28] <caribou> arges: afair, needed to rebuild using LP builders
[13:30] <arges> caribou: i thought a local build would work too. Do you need to do crashdump analysis?
[13:30] <caribou> arges: yes
[13:30] <caribou> arges: yes = crashdump
[13:31] <apw> caribou, you have to incant at the build to make it make ddebs at all, but you can make them locally
[13:31] <arges> skipdbg=false
[13:31] <arges> fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic skipdbg=false
[13:31] <caribou> arges: apw: ok I'll try a local build & see what I get
[13:32] <arges> and i'll make sure these scripts re-run
[13:32] <apw> you have to say something on the build line to ensure you get a ddeb
[13:32] <arges> apw: so wily+ will be backed up in launchpad librarian?
[13:32] <apw> it does not make them by default for a local build
[13:32] <apw> arges, i don't think it is pocket specific, i think it is all builds from "a little while back" onward
[13:33] <apw> you can see the ddebs listed at least
[13:34] <arges> apw: ah, glad its not pocket specific
[13:34] <arges> i'll re-run the mirror script fwiw then, and hopefully the re-build works
[15:08] <jdstrand> ogasawara: hey, fyi bug #1465322. I just noticed and filed this and was able to reproduce in VM and live system. I don't know the impact of the regression
[15:08] <ogasawara> jdstrand: ack, I'll turn jsalisbury loose on it
[15:11] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, jdstrand I'll dig into it
[15:12] <jdstrand> thanks
[15:45] <rtg> jsalisbury, I see at least 2 possibilities for bug #1465322, "kdb: fix incorrect counts in KDB summary command output" and "debugfs: leave freeing a symlink body until inode eviction"
[15:46] <jsalisbury> rtg, great.  I'll build a test kernel with those two commits reverted for jdstrand to test, while I setup a Precise VM and reproduce it
[15:47] <jsalisbury> jdstrand, Do you happen to know if this is only happening on 3.2 kernels?
[16:24] <Kano> hi, for the nightly kernels can you add kmod alternative depends? module-init-tools is just a meta package anymore on Debian
[16:26] <infinity> A transitional package, not a metapackage.


[08:54] <xnox> stgraber: cjwatson: was there something funny about ch keyboard layout names changing defaults? (e.g. has the meaning of ch changed from german to french or some such)
[09:01] <tk818> Hi I'm trying to install ubuntu 13.10 in my laptop but I can´t. Is there any one to help me?
[09:08] <cjwatson> xnox: bug 869825 is the closest thing that comes to mind
[09:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 869825 in console-setup (Ubuntu Raring) "French (Switzerland) is no longer a layout choice in the installer" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869825
[09:08] <xnox> cjwatson: thanks.
[16:05] <bjf> xnox, what do i file server install bugs against?
[16:06] <cjwatson> debian-installer
[16:06] <bjf> cjwatson, thanks
[16:06] <cjwatson> (the package in Ubuntu)
[16:22] <bjf> cjwatson, xnox bug #1308141
[16:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308141 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "server install trying to mount ext4 partition as vfat on /boot/efi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308141
[18:43] <zooko> Okay, shall I test today's Lubuntu daily installer iso? Last time I tested it (yesterday?) it had a segfault when reading a FAT32 partition table in parted.
[18:45] <cjwatson> That bug should be fixed now
[18:48] <zooko> cjwatson: do you know if http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20140414/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso has your fix?
[18:48] <cjwatson> yes
[18:48] <zooko> That timestamp suggests that it might have been built.. okay.
[18:48] <zooko> Thanks.
[18:48] <cjwatson> er, and yes :)
[18:48] <cjwatson> yes I know and yes it does.
[18:49] <zooko> Will test.
[19:36] <phillw> hi good people... very quick question.. which script checks for the presence of PAE flag in the alternate (server) installer ISO system. I need to disable it as I have a non-pae kernel :) last time I asked, I am thinking it was mistaken for ubiquity, where as I'm using the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer I've pulled in and expanded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/debian-installer_20101020ubuntu317.tar
[19:38] <xnox> phillw: d-i pulls a lot of other udebs at runtime.
[19:38] <xnox> phillw: e.g. partman-* and so on and so for.
[19:38] <cjwatson> I could have sworn I answered this the other day?
[19:38] <cjwatson> 17:41 <cjwatson> kernel/i386.sh in the base-installer source package
[19:38] <cjwatson> 17:42 <cjwatson> I suggest you make your change by way of the test suite ("make test")
[19:38] <cjwatson> 17:43 <cjwatson> You'll probably want to change arch_check_usable_kernel for the case where the computed kernel flavour name is "486"
[19:38] <xnox> ah, thanks.
[19:39] <cjwatson> And no, I didn't misunderstand you as asking about ubiquity.
[19:41] <phillw> cjwatson: there is no such file as kernel/i386.sh
[19:41] <cjwatson> There is such a file in the base-installer source package.
[19:42] <cjwatson> In the initrd, it's /usr/lib/base-installer/kernel.sh
[19:42] <cjwatson> Sorry, not in the initrd, in the installation environment, I mean
[19:42] <phillw> cjwatson: but not in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/debian-installer_20101020ubuntu317.tar.gz ?
[19:42] <cjwatson> As xnox says, debian-installer downloads much of itself at run-time.
[19:43] <cjwatson> So no, it isn't expected to be there.
[19:43] <cjwatson> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ for how d-i is laid out.
[19:44] <phillw> so.. basically no way to overide the pae check, as it seems to be instigated long before any internet connection is made?
[19:45] <cjwatson> That's quite untrue.
[19:45] <cjwatson> On both counts.
[19:46] <cjwatson> base-installer runs well after the network comes up.
[19:46] <cjwatson> And you can either override it directly, or you can use the base-installer/kernel/override-image preseed key (which is basically a big hammer, "use this one damnit").
[19:46] <cjwatson> override it directly> that is, by changing the code
[19:47] <phillw> cjwatson: is that in the code from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/debian-installer_20101020ubuntu317.tar.gz or do I need a different source?
[19:48] <cjwatson> It is not in that tarball.
[19:49] <phillw> cjwatson: and, yeah... "just use this one, damnit" sounds about right for a non-pae kernel being put into a lubuntu ISO that checks for pae flag :)
[19:49] <cjwatson> It is in the base-installer source package, as I've said several times
[19:49] <phillw> cjwatson: would you have a link?
[19:49] <cjwatson> apt-get source base-installer
[19:49] <cjwatson> Or lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/base-installer/ubuntu
[19:52] <phillw> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/base-installer/ubuntu here?
[19:52] <cjwatson> Yes
[19:55] <phillw> cjwatson: is there a .tar.gz available that I can pull into the build machine?
[19:57] <phillw> It just is a bit less scary if I keep everything at ~HOME/src as advised in various tutorials :)
[19:58] <cjwatson> "apt-get source base-installer" in a trusty environment will give you it
[19:58] <cjwatson> Or "bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/base-installer/ubuntu base-installer"
[19:59] <phillw> whch is best to keep it in the src area? I'm okay with the tar.gz stuff, but not pulled in a bzr branch before
[20:00] <phillw> can I issue that from the ~HOME/src directory?
[20:00] <cjwatson> Either
[20:00] <cjwatson> They'll both fetch into the current directory
[20:01] <cjwatson> But perhaps you could ask somewhere else for packaging basics, or read developer.ubuntu.com or whatever, kinda busy with release
[20:04] <phillw> cjwatson: I know, so are others.... but... alll i want to do is to stop the installer insisting on PAE flag :D ... as you say, we will have more time after 14.04 is out... I'm also testing the lubuntu alternate builds :)
[20:04] <pmatulis> for a netboot, i understand there is a nic-modules downloadable.  where can i look at it?  i'm trying to troubleshoot why a netboot install fails to detect a network card but a standalone install does
[20:05] <phillw> I'll leave you in peace. Thankyou for your time
[20:05] <phillw> it keeps me busy as installs happen :P
[20:06] <cjwatson> So you could just try booting with base-installer/kernel/override-image=linux-generic on the kernel command line for the installer
[20:06] <cjwatson> Assuming that's a metapackage that points to your kernel, otherwise substitute as needed
[20:06] <cjwatson> nic-modules is spat out by the kernel build process
[20:13] <pmatulis> cjwatson: i may see the driver in the kernel source (nic-modules file) but how to check if it's present during a netboot?
[20:14] <phillw> cjwatson: The build provides the .debs, using make deb-pkg I do think we should re-visit this after release :)
[20:37] <pmatulis> cjwatson: re your first point, you're saying to have a certain kernel *installed* in the target system at the preseed stage.  but if there is no network card how do i get that far?


[15:41] <doko> cyphermox, mlankhorst, whoever, ... still somebody here who could merge totem from experimental? blocking a tranistion
[15:41] <mlankhorst> no ta core-dev :P
[15:43] <doko> mlankhorst, pushing llvm to you next time ;P
[15:43] <mlankhorst> lol
[15:43] <mlankhorst> fine I'll take a look
[15:43] <doko> cool
[15:43] <mlankhorst> merge from experimental to what? :p
[15:43] <doko> try saucy ;)
[15:44] <mlankhorst> erm saucy's frozen
[15:44] <mlankhorst> trusty would make more sense
[15:44] <doko> why do you ask at all? ;)
[15:46] <mlankhorst> stalling and hope I hit EOD of course
[15:52] <mlankhorst> bleh it doesn't say what debian version it was synced to, but I'm guessing 3.6.0-  something
[15:53] <cyphermox> mlankhorst: did you take care of it?
[15:54] <cyphermox> curious if you're deep enough in totem to finish it or if I should take over
[15:59] <mlankhorst> no I only checked out the bzr and debian svn branches yet. I should be done shortly though :P
[16:05] <cyphermox> ok then
[16:05] <mlankhorst> ok I gave up, and made git run the resolution. :')
[16:10] <mlankhorst> hm still a mess
[16:15] <mlankhorst> cyphermox: if you want it, I ran into issues with merging the control file. :P
[16:16] <mlankhorst> but rest should be ok
[16:25] <mlankhorst> and it seems to be mostly reshuffling dependencies...
[16:25] <mlankhorst> to alphabetical order
[16:47] <mlankhorst> almost done :P
[17:33] <mlankhorst> doko: https://mblankhorst.nl/etc/totem_3.10.1-1ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz
[17:33] <mlankhorst> seems to  build in pbuilder
[17:33] <mlankhorst> I have absolutely no clue if it works, and since it's EOD, EOW, EOY I don't want to find out. ;)
[17:33] <doko> mlankhorst, can you or cyphermox upload?
[17:33] <doko> we have autopkg tests for that =)
[17:33] <mlankhorst> I'm not core-dev
[17:34] <doko> then please sign it, and put all four files there
[17:36] <mlankhorst> doko: ok, I've re-uploaded that file, and added the rest too
[17:38] <doko> mlankhorst, no extra b-d for the vimeo plugin?
[17:38] <mlankhorst> I don't think there was, because it showed up as missing
[17:39] <mlankhorst> d-x doesn't install with --fail-missing, so it may have missed it
[17:39] <doko> ok
[17:40] <mlankhorst> (all I did was git merge and put conscious thought on zero while fixing conflicts)
[17:43] <cyphermox> mlankhorst: honestly it would be better if this was tested thoroughly
[17:44] <cyphermox> doko: you've uploaded it?
[18:10] <mlankhorst> cyphermox: well it still starts, what more do you want. o:-)
[18:10] <mlankhorst> even seems to play videos
[18:10] <cyphermox> well yeah, playing videos with sound would be good ;)
[18:11] <cyphermox> just to make sure it doesn't explode with gstreamer
[18:11] <mlankhorst> though in all honesty I didn't test it before uploading
[18:11] <mlankhorst> :P
[18:11] <cyphermox> then there might be reverse-depends broken though
[18:12] <cyphermox> I can't remember if the youtube plugin was in the totem source
[18:12] <cyphermox> (or if it even still exists)
[18:12] <mlankhorst> there is a totem-mozilla built
[18:12] <mlankhorst> from the same source
[18:12] <cyphermox> yeah, looks like it's part of totem-plugins, in the same source
[18:12] <mlankhorst> but that kind of thing would be caught before it gets moved to trusty
[22:18] <whitehawk-wb_> hi
[22:19] <whitehawk-wb_> I have ubuntu installed, but it freezes all the time at boot if I use the normal bootup, but with the advanced options it work ok
[22:19] <whitehawk-wb_> so there must be something between the two, although I never use any advanced option just press continue
[22:20] <whitehawk-wb_> now after some update probably saucy the grub menu is not showing up at all.. and I can't choose...either it's something with grub2 or uefi but it makes using ubuntu hell...
[22:31] <cyphermox> mterry: hey
[22:38] <mterry> cyphermox, hello
[22:38] <cyphermox> sup!
[22:39] <cyphermox> I found out about module-switch-on-connect, very nice! :)
[22:39] <mterry> cyphermox, pulseaudio?  oh yeah.  I did that way back
[22:39] <cyphermox> yeah
[22:40] <mterry> I'm glad it still works  :)
[22:40] <cyphermox> considering suggesting it for touch, for instance for switching over to bluetooth headsets when connected
[22:41] <mterry> cyphermox, ah sure


[03:41] <dsd> hi
[03:42] <dsd> i instaled kununtu alongside w10 but when i boot i get "error grub no such partition" anyone can help?
[05:28] <alex_> hi im having a strange issue. just installed kubuntu all goes well until i open firefox and the whole system freezes and i have to restart
[05:28] <alex_> is this a common problem?
 how to  install Gis-Weather Widget?
[11:34] <mparillo> Does that same thing happen with a Qt browser? Like Falkon, Konqueror, or Qutebrowser?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:58] <Guest6> hi guys, I'm having a problem with kubuntu 21.10 which was the same as with 21.04, my function buttons for britghtness and sound adjust sometimes work and sometimes not work
[14:59] <Guest6> I have tried everything and nothing works
[15:00] <Guest6> do you have any ideas how to fix it and make pernamently working?
[15:04] <Guest6> i would really want to use kubuntu as a daily driver but this is problem which stops me from doing this
[15:14] <BluesKaj> is pavucontrol installed? Check Multimedia in your Kmenu/applauncher
[15:16] <Guest6> you mean volmue control? yes
[15:17] <Guest6> the fn buttons stop working randomly after restert of system or during working time, but never starts working again so easy, i have to restart laptop a few times and hope for working this time
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Guest6, have you updated and upgraded your packages lately?
[15:18] <Guest6> no i havent
[15:18] <BluesKaj> do so
[15:18] <Guest6> how to do it?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> in the terminal, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[15:20] <BluesKaj> once that's done, reboot
[15:21] <Guest6> hey but i am on live cd, i wanted to check if the problem has been fixed since 21.04
[15:22] <BluesKaj> maybe you need a newer OS image
[15:23] <Guest6> i think it is some kind of a kubuntu bug, i can remebrer when i have installed k 21.04 and having this issue, i found some solution with grub update and it was working but still happening after reset
[15:23] <Guest6> i dont think so
[15:23] <Guest6> i have latest release of 21.10
[15:24] <Guest6> cado you know how to tell the kubuntu team to fix this bug?
[15:24] <Guest6> fo you know*
[15:24] <Guest6> do*
[15:25] <BluesKaj> an installed OS is usually more stable than operating from a usb stick image
[15:25] <Guest6> i told you, i have it installed also
[15:25] <Guest6> and was the same
[15:26] <BluesKaj> then update and upgrade the install
[15:26] <Guest6> it is not working anyway
[15:27] <BluesKaj> you may have a driver problem, which has dependenies that may need upgrading
[15:28] <Guest6> im gonna contact kubuntu team to tell them of this problem
[15:28] <BluesKaj> haven't heard of the "the bug" you're having
[15:29] <Guest6> but there is sth wrong with this
[15:29] <Guest6> laptop is tohiba sattelite c655
[15:31] <Guest6> so what can I do about it?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hmm, 2GB Ram is rather low for Kubuntu to run successfully, recommended Ram is at least 4GB
[17:49] <user|36> Can I develop websites using xampp in kubuntu?
 works on ubuntu so should work identically on kubuntu user|36
[17:58] <user|36> Thank you very much IrcsomeBot.


 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EBfwf2ob/file_1261.jpg I made a mock up design idea for uMatriks!
[00:02] <tgBot> twizzle2056 was added by: twizzle2056
 am i in right group to ask how i can flash ubuntu touch to an Acer Liquid Zest? I don't like Android. (thank Google Play Services for that)
 @twizzle2056, You'd have to port it to the device
 how
 and does Ubuntu Touch support MediaTek processors.
 You'd need to join the Halium group to get info about that me believes @UniversalSuperBox ?
 I don't get it
 Why is it so complicated.
 I just don't like Android..
 @wayneoutthere, This was amazing
 welp this was a joke
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/1v0wffZ9/file_1263.jpg This is how ureadit looks
 @twizzle2056, What were you expecting Eugene?  Let us know maybe we can help
 @wayneoutthere, He left
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/b9bwbfnO/file_1265.jpg Then that's my umatriks concept, a few things seem a bit to small but seems P.good to me
 ok, asta la vista.  But let's take note of what happened in terms of onboarding.
 According to Telegram at least
 In another view it says he's here
 @PhoenixLandPirate, good work coach.  Keep pushing forward.  I like where this one is going.  Do we have a sub-team dedicated to makin this happen?
 @wayneoutthere, Thank you :) there are a few people working on the uMatriks app, so hopefully someone looks at it and runs with it :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, He's in this group not in the Fair phone group :)
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 @twizzle2056, If you don't like Android because of Google Play Lineage may be an option too if your device is supported
 @twizzle2056, Because smartphones suck and every device needs manual patching unlike desktops and so
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Looks like Riot kinda
 @PhoenixLandPirate, I like it very much. Thank you. Together with the changes from @delijati which he announced in https://matrix.to/#/#uMatriks:matrix.org , uMatriks is becoming a real usable app. Hopefully @larrea.mikel will find time soon to publish the next release.
 @KrisJacewicz, Agree. Another design for it would be great.
 @el_namor, Same here on my fp2. I noticed that device gets warm and drains battery randomly.
 @bastos777, That's what Snap/Flatpak/AppImage/etc. are for
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Nice mockup! Thank you!
 @bastos777, I forgot to mention @mariogrip and @DanChapman contributions for getting notifications for uMatriks. These pulls hopefully will aklso land in the next release.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Hmm now that I look at it: Wouldn´t that vertical tab style also perfectly match Telegram? =)
 @Flohack, Not really, because Telegram defaults to sorting on recency
 Riot has another design standard
 @Lorxu, You can sort in these tabs too. But it would be great to have kind of predefined and custom folders/tabs where I can sort my chats into. I have a big mess in Telegram, all are in one list and its hard to get organized
 But the horizontal one to filter all/groups/people would be great
 @Flohack, That's why I love how Riot does it
 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5IYN73WdwiFUhxDOE7tpiuoYgm-VIExYjigjv0PeWxgZR0WomTdAn8SSNPNiG4Y-EkuV=h310-rw
 Although I prefer Chloe's mockup because I hate horizontal scrolling
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[07:55] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @twizzle2056, Hi, please visit www.ubports.com for more info, regarding your questions: no Acer is not yet supported, maybe with Halium in near future, and MediaTek is unfortunately not good idea, very closed
 I created an issue on github to track the progress of patching for KRACK
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 @PhoenixLandPirate, I thought it was 9gag
[08:49] <tgBot> Ernst Vaarties was added by: Ernst Vaarties
 @PhoenixLandPirate, nice!
[08:51] <tgBot> <Ernst Vaarties> Just listened to the Community update from 14 october. It was mentioned if the packages from the ubuntu store should be moved to the OpenStore. I would advice not do this, lot's of those packages are first time tries to make an Ubuntu Touch app and do not so much.
 @Ernst Vaarties, There were hundreds of very niche webapps. I would agree that most of those are no loss, especially when users can easily generate their own
 @bastos777, Not sure what i did? 😜
[09:06] <tgBot> <Ernst Vaarties> True. It would be great if generating and installing such a weapp could be made easier. I.e. make it possible installing them without the need to upload them to the shop.
[09:07] <tgBot> <Ernst Vaarties> For the apps that are usefull, most of them already are available in the openstore because they have active maintainers.
[09:08] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @DanChapman, Did not you develop and share your Dekko notification code? I
 @Ernst Vaarties, There is an app which does that. I don't remember it's name
[09:17] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/LSG80uik/file_1270.jpg
 @Milan Korecky, ❤
 I like the app "dicer", but It seems nobody use it and it's going to disappear.
 @Milan Korecky, Haha! The clue is in the name 😎
[09:43] <tgBot> <Ernst Vaarties> @Milan Korecky, Tnx.
[09:48] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> @Milan Korecky, CSS or JS injection is very needed for this kind of apps.
[09:51] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> (Photo, 1260x798) https://irc.ubports.com/n0pDVbFc/file_1272.jpg
[09:52] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> I have a question about RSS feed of UBports blog. Why I receive old posts as a new in some last days? Like one. I am using Feedly, maybe bug on their side.
[09:55] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Cesar_Herrera, Post it to openstore telegram group, they could maybe save it or try first to contact thet developer to move it from canonical server to openstore. 🙂
[09:56] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, I am not developer
[09:59] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, I can confirm, I was also suprised.  Let us ask @UniversalSuperBox , he may know more, but now he may be sleeping.
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, what do you mean? :/
 inject css or js into webpages
 in order to provide additional functionality and integrations
 oh into the webapps? I understood it for Webapp Creator itself...
 @Jujuyeh, add that functionality to the creator
 Anyway, we are working on some new great features 👍 Open an issue if you wish❤ https://github.com/Jujuyeh/webapp-creator/issues
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, Gleb, pinging you
 @Ernst Vaarties, The plan is not to upload the entire Ubuntu Store as-is. There is a number of web-apps that it might not be worth to migrate (usage of deprecated frameworks, small userbase, or they just stopped working). On the other hand, there is some proprietary software that might have specific restrictions on distribution (e.g. I suspect "Panda Love" or "Don't Crash!" fall into this category). … We are building a list of packages that we
[10:07] <tgBot> to have in OpenStore, based on their importance, their history (e.g. Falldown, 100balls or Neverball - the first games available on UT), or because we're missing such functionalities (e.g. we don't have an IRC client in the store). Dice roller apps are currently on our list, for instance. … Once we have a first draft, we will likely make the list publicly available, in order to get feedbacks from our community. We all want to be sure we won't miss anything bi
[10:07] <tgBot> are currently missing a maintainer, if there's someone who likes an app and would like to improve it, we encourage it. 🙂
 @Milan Korecky, Thanks
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 Any chance to get something like that?
 scopes maybe?
 I know there is a post in the forum about the Today app
 it looks like scopes 😆
 Where do we translate "Flashlight" form the power indicator. I've been hunting on weblate, but no success? @Flohack . Thanks !
 No idea, probably it was hardcoded by the developer... @mariogrip ^^
 Humm, ok. Another question: the newer strings "Update settings" (on system-settings) is already translated a few weeks ago into European Portuguese, but until now remains in English. I'm on devel channel.
 @malditobastardo, scopes aligned vertically ™
 @vanyasem, 😺😺
 It would be nice to see some love for the scopes in the near future again
 They are very very useful
 I think my collision idea has some merit. Pinch weather and calendar together to see if it will rain at the football match
[12:06] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @malditobastardo, Agree with You, the developers commented to come with improved behavior if I remember well
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, No, I think it's the UBports RSS feed that is buggy. I'm on ttrss and I also receive old notifications when a new one is there...
 @Milan Korecky, Great to know. Thanks
 I'd love to see at least the Today Scope given some love. It is dependent, though, on opther scopes (weather, news, events, etc). Very few scopes have made it into the Openstore, so they do need someone to poick them up. Sadly, I have no skill in that direction.
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, unfortunately the structure of website was recently changed (any visitors who were there before will notice) so this apparently messed up the RSS and made them all new again.  All things old are new again! There's nothing new under the sun anyways... Sorry about this and maybe we can fix it or maybe not :)
 Hi.  How do I install a .click file once it's on my phone (I got it to downloads).  It seems that everything I find online is for old Cannon Nickels Ubuntu Touch... I wanted to make sure I was using a correct command if I do it now.... thanks!
 and... this information should be posted somewhere... but where is most logical?  I think somewhere near Uappexplorer maybe?  or when you open the open store maybe?
 @wayneoutthere, $ pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted <pkg_file_name>
 Otherwise you can open the .click pkg with OpenStore or use UT Tweak Tools
 oh!  neat i didn't knw open store can do that. cool. haha
 let me try... thanks sir
 wha???? that was so easy!! hahahaha
 this definitely isn't android or ios I've been told
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 Is it possible to download the recovery image idependently? I overwritted it with TWRP and cannot perform OTA update... Otherwise I can re-install from scratch, no worry 😊
 @olisax, My understanding is no. Not yet at least. Could be wrong though
 ^studying MDT's scripts on github i can see recovery images hosted on MDT server space, but i don't know where these come from and how recent they are
 they're flashed with fastboot
 underneath it's very shiny surface, my guess is Ubports installer does the same
[13:51] <tgBot> Jens was added by: Jens
 Will it ever be possible to run an AppImage on UBports?
 I suppose in Libertine?
 @YougoChats, Indeed ! I tried with fastboot-flashing that recovery from MDT, it seems it's an old one (it has the old logo "phone+tablet") and OTA-update doesn't progress further...
 If the AppImage is for armhf and the App in it mir compatible, I guess it should work fine if you start it from the terminal
 @JBBgameich, Ah, of course, armhf... Hmm... I need to see if I can get Travis to make those :P
 @olisax, i remember that. instread of starting the update it just sits in recovery. you have to go to Ubuntu tools (?) and then apply update IIRC
 i've been poking around in Ubport installer's Github, but it's all java script with a maze of endless references and parameters and i haven't found a clear cut URL somewhere yet
 yep, it's an electron nightmare :p
 but it's all adb and fastboot in the end, and there has to be a grep going for a recovery.img sitting on a server at some point
 Yeah, the two only (partial) URL I found were those :
 const ubportsApi = "https://devices.ubports.com/" …         url: ubportsApi + "api/device/" + device, … const baseUrl = "https://system-image.ubports.com/";
 system-image is crazy
 https://twitter.com/2Arc676/status/920661939570618368   cananyone help me out here?
 @sverzegnassi, How could I open it with OpenStore? I've already heard about that but I've never been able to do...
 just click on it
 :D
 from file manager?
 yep
 it doens't work... no app in the content-hub
 neither in the dev app...
 do you have the latest version installed?
 it works perfectly for me
 @vanyasem, sure
 This is news! Umatriks, Millenial members, and important stats all right here at the Ubuntu Touch News Desk … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-news-desk-171018
 @wayneoutthere is there a way to download tracks from SoundCloud? I simply love I never Sleep 😘😂🤣!
 yes, podbird
 that seems to download it.... not sure where the mp3 is filed though
 okay, thanks
 or even better....
 THIS
 (Audio, 94s)https://irc.ubports.com/AJVaGG0e/file_1278.mp3
 but we're trying to funnel people through sound cloud to get an idea whose listening to what
 ah ok👍🏻
 @wayneoutthere, imho, you need to fade quotes a little
 also, make the beat quiter (or the voice louder)
 apart from that, i'm impressed
 @exar_kun will get back to school on this for the next one ;)
 tahnks for any/all feeedback
 I'm a fan... keep'n it real.  Think positive thoughts :)
 if you fix it, that will be my ringtone for a loong time
 i have a half finished song too but it's... half finished
 who can sell me an extra 4 hours per day?
 should we take it easy on the Foundation Devs??? Wayne keeps poking them in the eye... 😱
 @wayneoutthere, Kinda reminds me of CyanogenMod's official ringtone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B2Qxh1nluQ
 @Crash_Burn, There's certainly a difference between banter and actually being hostile. I haven't listened to the latest audiocast, but I doubt it's hostile.
 Either way, don't think of the community as separate from the Foundation. The foundation is a catalyst for the goals of the community.
 agreed.. but I desperately want UBports to succeed.
 My n5 wake up a long time on UT😢
 Try turning off the brightness sensor. That seems to fix screen issues for the N5 and FP2.
 Automatic brightness, that is
 Now I'll check ))
 Very good)
 Too quiet musk and notification
 volume max
 Web telegramm no play sound message
 @Lorxu, I tried but one stop was that the vivid image miss file system in user space support
 libfuse.so missing
 @Lorxu, Good luck with armhf appimages
 😝
 #⃣  Hide keyboard
 Wtf
 Sry
[17:01] <tgBot> NikosChat was added by: NikosChat
 @NikosChat, welcome
 What is the difference between '--channel=15.04/stable' and '--channel=ubports-touch/15.04/stable' -channels?
 With first option I have working wifi but in second one doesn't connect at all..
 so there must be some differences between those..
 With mako=Nexus4
[17:33] <tgBot> Adrian Lanz was added by: Adrian Lanz
 @Adrian Lanz, welcome
 How use umatriks)
 ?
 install it from the openstore, login with your account, select the chat, chat your message, send it
 which part is troubling you?
 (resolved this issue in PM)
 @vanyasem, Haven't tried it yet. Can you create an account in uMatriks or do you need one already to use it?
 i already had one, so i wouldn't know
[17:46] <huntersn32[m]> Mmm
[17:47] <vanyasem[m]> hello :D
[17:47] <huntersn32[m]> I am a BOT:D
 (Photo, 800x534) https://irc.ubports.com/DgLQ8HUf/file_1280.jpg
 why can't I have this :XXX
 @Stereofont, You have to create an account. I recomend https://Riot.im/app to create it.
 @LarreaMikel, Thanks
 ;)
 @wayneoutthere, Did someone say uMatriks?!?!
 XD
 @wayneoutthere, Oh man.. it feels like soon I will have to dedicate a weekend for you podcast only. I only could listen "i never sleep". You are popping out podcast like anything 😁😁 . keep up for others anyway . Also I have lost count of how many I am behind. Hopefully I will catch up.
 You can't blame me for loving matrix
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Did someone say matrix?
 @pavi4de, Yes
 Please crowdfund the main matrix devs. If you know someone who has lot of cash lying around it would be great
 https://www.patreon.com/matrixdotorg
 @PhoenixLandPirate, It is awesome
 @Lorxu, This
 @pavi4de, This also
 can someone confirm that the magic-device-tool also works on debian testing?
 Should do, it's a snap
 does mdt still support ubuntu touch?!..
 Not for long
 @PhoenixLandPirate, thnx
[19:31] <tgBot> Manolo was added by: Manolo
 Buenas noches
 @PhoenixLandPirate, why?
 Tengo un bq e5 HD con Android en un cajón. En el pc uso Ubuntu desde hace años. Vale la pena instalar ubports en ese terminal?. Gracias
 @Crash_Burn, pokey pokey pokey!  get some safety glasses if it hurts
 @mehmehmehmehmehmehmeh, Get to work! No excuses!  the longer you wait the further behind you'll be!  Take it out of your sleep!
 Not medical advice
 9 out of 10 doctors agree you should prioritize the audiocast over sleep
 Note: Wayne voted 9 times
 I'm a doctor.
 Audio Doctor
 I'll fix you
 @Manolo, I have a BQ Aquaris E5 with ubuntu touch with ubports version installed and I can say it is already much better than the one Canonical left aside. If you don't mind missing apps like for example Whatsapp I think you will not regreat it. My 5 cents...
 I only use Telegram And a gps
 Thanks Matteo
 @Matteo, Isn't there WhatsApp desktop on Ubuntu Touch? On UBports doesn't works?
 @Matteo, you can use LoquiIM
 Yes, there is a webapp for whatsapp but you need to have the regular app on an other android phone from which reading a QR code to enable the webapp on UT...it is not very useful in this condition, I'm afraid...there is also an app named LoquiIM which promises to make whatsapp work on UT but it doesn't work for me, I don't know why.
 @Matteo, this is hard to read. makes me sad.  We need to work hard to wipe away my sad tears. Oh, if I could program.  Instead... all i have is a lonely microphone...
 @Manolo, Well telegram works well, even if it is not yet at the same pace than the one for Android but the maintainer is improving it more and more. GPS works like a charm with my BQ E5, I was really impressed the first time, because with Canonical version didn't work at all
 don't use whatsapp , it belongs to the Enemy
 @Montefrio, yeah... who owns that again?  facebook or something slimy?
 read the Name of the Facebook funder
 I have a BQ E5 Ubuntu and I want to flash UBports on it using a Windows pc, which guide can I follow? There are two on UBports site
 Ok Matteo, I' ll try It in the morning and I let you know. Thanks again
 @Montefrio, i'm too lazy.  i'll just believe you because you are on the internet and the internet is true
 Wayne , do you believe me?
 @Montefrio, Monte, I do believe you.
 You must earn my distrust
 ☹
 @vanyasem, Which 'Canonical emulator' ?
[21:01] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @Akira_rulezZ, i think on windows pc it is best to use the ubports-installer (https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer) however i am not 100% shure since i never tried myself and recall having heard in one community Q&A that once there were some problems because of drivers under windows
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #304: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/304/
 @demokrit atomos, Oh, thank you, there are 4 versions for 1.7 Beta, which one have I to use on Windows 64 bit? I'm really noob
[21:04] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1184: SUCCESS in 1 min 11 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1184/
[21:05] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @Akira_rulezZ, the one ending in ".exe"
 @demokrit atomos, Ok, right, sorry for stupid question 😀
[21:06] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> no problem
[21:07] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> however, you might need to install adb drivers (just looked into the issues on github) @neothethird maybe you can help here?
[21:09] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> maybe this one here: https://adb.clockworkmod.com/ but it might be best to wait for one of the devs to say which source for adb drivers is trustworthy... sorry that i cannot adwise you further
[21:09] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> have to leave now, good luck!
 @vanyasem, 👌
 The tool switched my device on fastboot mode, but I still haven't downloaded any image of UBports
 Hi i'm new here. Is there a time estimate when it is possible to flash the Fairphone 2 ( Android 6.0 Version) with ubuntu? Thanks
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/scttcL36/file_1282.jpg
 @Jens, if you choose devel you can do that now
 @demokrit atomos, ah! that's intresting, will look into that
 @Akira_rulezZ, is it ubports installer you are using? and what OS?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/3yfor5sd/file_1284.jpg
 @mariogrip, I'm using the one linked above
 OK. I wasn't sure because Website said i shouldn't.. Thanks Marius
 I want to switch to UBports but no idea if it do it everything by himself
 @Akira_rulezZ, right, we still have some problems with windows, we are still trying to figure out the driver situation with windows. It seems to work on some machinces. but some refuses.
 @mariogrip, Is it refusing in my case?
 do you maybe have linux or mac pc you can try?
 @mariogrip, No, I haven't
 So isn't working, right?
 @Akira_rulezZ, yeah it seems to be stuck on the fastboot part. it have not done anything to the device yet, so just reboot and eveything should be fine
 @Akira_rulezZ, does not seem like it, we will get windows fixed as fast as we can, sorry about that
 @mariogrip, Don't worry, but tell me how to reboot normally my device 😂😂😂
 @Akira_rulezZ, just hold the powerbutton
 @mariogrip, oh, ok, it takes long time I guess
 5-10 seconds ish
 @mariogrip, 1 minute and it's still in fastboot
 @Akira_rulezZ, what device is this btw?
 @mariogrip, BQ E5 Ubuntu Edition
 @Akira_rulezZ, ah! hold power and volium up until the device reboots
 @mariogrip, Yeah! It worked 😊
 all devices has there special instructions :)
 Isn't there a way to flash an image like Android using a custom recovery?
 @UniversalSuperBox, UBports supports full featured ext4 and ext3 ?
 @Akira_rulezZ, there is an experimental app that i created a while back where you can do this directly from your device, but it's not 100% finish yet
 @rchs0, yes
 @mariogrip, Oh, this is interesting, I'm sorry I can't use it 😄
 @Akira_rulezZ, I will try to get it finish as soon as i can, there is not much left to do on it
 @mariogrip, Well, I can test it when finished if you want
 I give a try again to the installer, who knows...
 Ok, it definitely doesn't works for me 😄
 Whatever the kernel supports.
[22:19] <tgBot> Alex Pant was added by: Alex Pant
 @Manolo, Yes certainly. Try the UBports installer
[23:22] <tgBot> NikosChat was added by: NikosChat
 @Stereofont, It doesn't works for me
 LOOK AT WHAT I FOUND!!!!!
 https://seap.samsung.com/linux-on-galaxy


[00:30] <ThoughtWorksChar> word up, Udit
[00:45] <CIA-2> base-installer: cjwatson * r329 base-installer/ (debian/changelog library.sh): merge from hardy-proposed
[00:46] <CIA-2> base-installer: cjwatson * r330 ubuntu/debian/changelog: clarify provenance
[00:49] <CIA-2> base-installer: cjwatson * r331 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.86ubuntu4
[12:17] <davmor2> cjwatson: ping
[12:17] <cjwatson> pong
[12:17] <cjwatson> (don't do that, include payload with your ping)
[12:18] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's sorry :)  Do you deal with the OEM aspect of the installer?
[12:18] <cjwatson> yes
[12:18] <cjwatson> FSVO "deal with"
[12:19] <davmor2> Are you aware that it's fubar?  It just keeps looping back to oem user rather than running to setup the end user?
[12:19] <cjwatson> doesn't surprise me
[12:21] <davmor2> I think there are now 3 bugs open about it.  1 for Kubuntu 2 for gnome where they stopped at different stages :(
[12:22] <cjwatson> I'm sorry, I have been on holiday and have had no time to look at it.
[12:22] <cjwatson> I'm aware that there are problems but I'm afraid you'll just have to be patient :)
[12:27] <davmor2> Yeah np's I was just making sure you knew about it rather than assuming, due to you being away :)
[16:05] <CIA-2> user-setup: cjwatson * r110 ecryptfs-private/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Ask whether the user wants to set up an encrypted private directory.
[23:57] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I pushed some changes to partman-partitioning and partman-target yesterday for dmraid stuff. If you don't have anything to add to these packages in the next couple of days, I'll upload...
[23:58] <cjwatson> not I
[23:58] <cjwatson> go ahead
[23:58] <TheMuso> Ok will do, thanks.
[23:58] <cjwatson> (I haven't looked at the changes though)
[23:59] <TheMuso> Its just removing checks for the sataraid file, as if the file is found, various options for partitioning, mount point, filesystem etc, are no longer available. Thanks to some work on libparted, I actually managed to sort out the UI for dmraid arrays in d-i in oen shot.
[23:59] <TheMuso> I can wait if you wish to review them in the coming days...


[04:21] <fignew> peoples gotsta talk
[04:21] <fignew> Topic: How 'bout that ATT B/W cap?
[04:21] <fignew> Also, they're going after people tethering from their phone -_-
[04:21] <fignew> super greedy


[08:37] <xnox> superm1: i'm not sure yet, but developers from mir/desktop teams are working on porting ubiquity.
[08:42] <xnox> superm1: at the moment in saucy, ubiquity is still starting it's own X session. And to change that there should be commits in lp:ubiquity, there haven't been any yet.
[14:41] <xequence> What would be the easiest way to test ubiquity plugins?
[15:55] <xequence> Currently I'm starting ubiquity from my standard installation, after having installed the plugins, so this seems to work
[17:02] <infinity> cjwatson: There's a kernel cmdline twiddle to make d-i look in -proposed, right?  (I really feel like I should know this, but I do it so infrequently)
[18:18] <superm1> ah okay thanks for update xnox
[18:42] <xnox> xequence: that's a reasonable way to test a plugin.
[18:42] <xnox> xequence: there is some automated unit-tests one car write for the plugin. E.g. see tests for the ubuntuone plugin. but running ubiquity after dropping in a plugin, is currently the only way to fully run/test a plugin.
[18:47] <xnox> infinity: google "ubuntu testing enable proposed"  => https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed => apt-setup/proposed=true
[18:54] <infinity> xnox: My google-fu failed me, apparently.  Thanks.


[12:10] <mr_pouit> yay, I think I got rid of mono and libreoffice in the latest daily build
[12:10] <mr_pouit> (down from 800M to 700)
[12:20] <micahg> mr_pouit: ooh, cool, I was also going to suggest blocking update-manager from pulling in  gir1.2-unity-3.0 since we don't have unity
[12:39] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ping
[13:04] <mr_pouit> when I resynced some changes with ubuntu.oneiric, I added openoffice.org-hyphenation, and libreoffice help pack, so this was the reason =]
[13:04] <mr_pouit> ochosi: pong
[13:04] <knome> mr_pouit, he's gone
[13:04] <mr_pouit> eh
[15:32] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : Oneiric 64bit desktop image, I am getting the xfce wallpaper in what appears to be a Xubuntu session
[15:33] <charlie-tca> indicators are all missing, launcher panel is across the bottom and hidden, looks like ochosi's launchers
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Verified that the menu is from us. Only the wallpaper is wrong
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Now that is just *weird*
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Wallpaper is defaulting to "xfce-stripes.png"
[15:52] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: The above is true for all images
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I remember what I forgot now. ALL TESTERS
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Please remember to sync your images this weekend. Testing of the alpha2 images begins Tuesday/Wednesday next week
[16:02] <charlie-tca> bug 799754 now high priority. We need the desktop session working if at all possible for Alpha2
[16:05] <mr_pouit> that's because xfconfd doesn't have the correct XDG_{CONFIG,DATA}_DIRS in its environment
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Can we fix it?
[16:06] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: no bug on the wallpaper unless you want one
[16:09] <mr_pouit> you can file one against xfconf, although I don't know where the issue exactly
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Okay. It just started yesterday, so we know it is a this week thing
[16:12] <charlie-tca> GridCube: fyi - the sessions after installing are Xubuntu, with the wrong wallpaper
[16:15] <GridCube> :) good morning, okey, yesterday we had no xubuntu session, but the weird thing was that the desktop had the trashbin icon at first but after the kernel update it hanged and i rebooted the virtual machine and then just my ~/ and my "System" launchers where visible
[16:15] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: mmh, instead of xfconf, file it against xubuntu-default-settings please
[16:15] <mr_pouit> I think I know what happens
[16:15] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: will do
[16:17] <charlie-tca> GridCube: You still had all the launchers on the bottom panel?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Just trash went away?
[16:17] <GridCube> yes just the trash, and the pseudo dock wasnt transparent
[16:18] <charlie-tca> That may have been virtualbox itself then
[16:18] <GridCube> oh
[16:18] <charlie-tca> well, not the trashcan, but the panel thing
[16:19] <GridCube> i think is because of the "no xubuntu session" thing
[16:19] <charlie-tca> I was wrong about that. The session is Xubuntu, the wallpaper is not
[16:19] <GridCube> no, i meant yesterday
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Maybe
[16:20] <mr_pouit> the session is xubuntu, xfconfd is just not aware of it :}
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Neat!
[16:20] <mr_pouit> because dbus is started before we set some env vars, so xfconfd doesn't get them
[16:20] <GridCube> :/ ok booted again yesterday test box and the trash can is there again
[16:21] <charlie-tca> GridCube: look in the menus on that one, see if gmusicbrowser is in multimedia
[16:22] <charlie-tca> If it is, that is a Xubuntu session, with the wrong wallpaper and some other stuff
[16:22] <mr_pouit> or open a term, and type: echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[16:23] <mr_pouit> if there's no /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu in it, it's not the "xubuntu" session
[16:23] <GridCube> yes, gmusicbrowser is there
[16:23] <charlie-tca> try what mr_pouit just said, too
[16:24] <GridCube> its there
[16:25] <GridCube> ok i have to clean before i get killed
[16:26] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: it does have xubuntu session in today's install
[16:31] <charlie-tca> bug 803499
[16:32] <mr_pouit> thanks
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Thannk you!
[16:37] <charlie-tca> hm, too small a partition gives a login loop
[16:38] <charlie-tca> out of space on the drive, that is
[16:38] <charlie-tca> and the user has no idea unless they can log in through a tty
[19:29] <charlie-tca> All 64bit tests are up-to-date
[20:49] <ochosi> mr_pouit: wanted to ask you for help with a widget (http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/tree/src/windowlist.c)
[22:32] <astraljava> Just a heads-up for the team: Have been über-busy with the moving preparations, so haven't had time for any testing. Sorry about that!
[22:32] <astraljava> I'll let you know when I get back on track.
[22:33] <astraljava> If I get an apartment in the new town this week already, I should be able to return to testing in 1½ weeks.
[22:46] <Unit193> I'm at a LoCo event and I'll be home soonish (already have it downloaded)
[22:49] <charlie-tca> no problem, astraljava
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Next week is alpha2
[22:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: and we should have an arm image :)
[23:00] <charlie-tca> um, okay, can you find it anywhere?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> I haven't been able to
[23:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: not up yet, but soon :
[23:00] <micahg> :)
[23:01] <charlie-tca> I thought it would be out this week, but it isn't yet
[23:01] <micahg> week isn't over yet ;)
[23:01] <charlie-tca> true
[23:01] <charlie-tca> They were going to push Lubuntu into cdimages first, I thought
[23:01] <micahg> these will be SD images
[23:02] <charlie-tca> They will be the right ones for you and cody-somerville, right?
[23:02] <micahg> yep
[23:02] <charlie-tca> okeydokey
[23:03] <micahg> unfortunately, it's just a live image, no installer
[23:04] <charlie-tca> really?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> If it is based on our images, it won't work then. We don't have a valid live session yet
[23:04] <micahg> yeah
[23:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: well my testing will be quick then :)
[23:04] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:04] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:04] <micahg> I said maybe next cycle I can look into making the installer work
[23:05] <charlie-tca> for us or armel?
[23:05] <micahg> armel
[23:05] <micahg> and us
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay
[23:05] <charlie-tca> for us, we need it working for alpha2 if there is any way to.
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Since the primary installation method is from the live desktop, it is kind of needed
[23:06] <micahg> well, I can probably take a look on monday
[23:08] <charlie-tca> We think it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/799754
[23:08] <micahg> I can poke robert_ancell about it tomorrow
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Okay, I poked the release team meeting last friday