[08:03] <Laney> hi
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:04] <Laney> what's new?
[08:05] <didrocks> not much, you? :)
[08:05] <willcooke> morning
[08:06] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:07] <didrocks> uk is on one after another
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney davmor2 willcooke, how is u.k today?
[08:11] <willcooke> cold and sunny
[08:11] <seb128> it's better than cold & wet
[08:11] <davmor2> Very cold and sunny
[08:12] <willcooke> It got down to zero last night
[08:18] <dednick> good morning!
[08:18] <seb128> hey dednick! how are you?
[08:19] <seb128> good to see you saying hey on the channel :-)
[08:19] <dednick> seb128: good thanks and you? :)
[08:19] <seb128> do you find your way around desktop team world? ;-)
[08:19] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:20] <seb128> we have a bit of sun today which is nice
[08:20] <dednick> seb128: giving it my best. all new and shiny :)
[08:20] <dednick> yes, it's nice here as well. might have some breakfast in the garden.
[08:20] <oSoMoN> good morning all
[08:21] <seb128> hey oSoMoN!
[08:22] <seb128> how is it going?
[08:22] <oSoMoN> not too bad, thanks, how are you?
[08:23] <seb128> I'm good, not fully awake yet, I start directly on the computer and got stucked to the keyboard
[08:23] <seb128> you could think that getting coffee first then going to the computer would be a lesson I would have learnt by now
[08:24] <seb128> but seems not :p
[08:25] <oSoMoN>  hehe
[08:26] <oSoMoN> I have to drive my daughter to school every morning, so by the time I hit the keyboard I better be fully awake :)
[08:26] <seb128> :-)
[08:30] <dednick> happyaron: ping
[08:30] <seb128> dednick, you might as well directly ask the question, unsure how much he's still around and others might be able to reply as well
[08:31] <dednick> seb128: sure :)
[08:31] <willcooke> Does anyone have access to edit the team meeting in the "UES team calendar"?
[08:32] <willcooke> ah, I can try and change owne
[08:32] <willcooke> r
[08:34] <dednick> hey all, i'm looking into how you guys maintain some of your repos (network-manager in particular). Do you pull new versions direct from upstream repos, or using the tarballs with gbp?
[08:37] <dednick> i tried to pull 1.6 manually from git.freedesktop using a remote git source but couldn't quite figure it out.
[08:38] <dednick> gbp seemed to work a lot better but it was still a bit dodgey with some unexpected changes. Maybe need to be a bit manual and unpick some of the changes?
[08:41] <dednick> Laney: ^ i volunteer you to answer since you've been active on the nm repo ;-)
[08:42] <Laney> oh sorry I was distracted
[08:42] <Laney> hi dednick
[08:42] <Laney> you're doing nm stuff?
[08:42] <Laney> I think I missed this memo
[08:44] <Laney> did he just quit?
[08:44]  * Laney has those messages off
[08:44] <Laney> aha
[08:44] <dednick> doh. coffee on keyboard.
[08:44] <dednick> bad.
[08:44] <Laney> laptop?
[08:44] <dednick> yeah
[08:45] <Laney> sounds bad
[08:45] <Laney> go drain it!
[08:45] <dednick> luckily was just a little. going to open it up in a bit :)
[08:45] <Laney> sooooooooooooooo what's the URL for nm?
[08:45] <dednick> yeah. i was holding it over the sink when i went off :)
[08:46] <dednick> Laney: git? https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager
[08:46] <dednick> otherwise https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager
[08:47] <dednick> upstream is: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/
[08:47] <dednick> "i think"
[08:49] <dednick> Laney: and it's more "familiarising" myself with desktop at the moment than actually "doing". :)
[08:50] <Laney> there's going to be lots of different methods
[08:50] <Laney> this looks like gbp though, but one second
[08:50] <dednick> yeah. there is a debian/watch
[09:03] <Laney> ah man
[09:03] <dednick> Laney: i think i may have worked it out. to upstream/1.6.2  'gbp import-orig --uscan 1.6.2 -no-pristin-tar --no-merge' , then fix up the issues and merge back into master.
[09:03] <Laney> looks like there's no vcs relationship with debian's branch
[09:03] <dednick> then do pritine.
[09:03] <dednick> Laney: yeah. it looks like a flattened fork.
[09:03] <Laney> that's annoying
[09:03] <Laney> I think you want to merge with their package
[09:04] <Laney> so it's dget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.6.2-3.dsc, then gbp import-dsc ../path/to/that
[09:04] <Laney> ...in a branch...
[09:04] <dednick> Laney: ah, do we upstream from debian rather than freedesktop?
[09:04] <Laney> if debian already has it then take it from them
[09:04] <dednick> ok
[09:05] <Laney> so we get the packaging changes too
[09:05] <dednick> and the patches. ok
[09:05] <Laney> it's much easier if the ubuntu branch is a proper branch of theirs though
[09:05] <Laney> then you can do a normal git merge
[09:05] <Laney> so... what you could do as a first step if you wanted... is fix that up
[09:06] <Laney> find the tag we based off (1.4.4-1) and mangle it so that we're a branch of that now
[09:06] <Laney> then git merge 1.6.2-3 onto that
[09:06] <dednick> Laney: :) true that. will main maintenance easier.
[09:06] <Laney> don't know if that's too complicated for a first task?
[09:06] <dednick> well, i'll give it a got.
[09:06] <dednick> go
[09:10] <willcooke> Laney, dednick - AFAIK we've always taken direct from upstream in the past.  Not saying that's the best way, just that's what we were doing.  Probably because of phone stuff.
[09:10] <Laney> There's definitely debian merges in there
[09:10] <Laney> and the version number being -1... and not -0... means it's a merge
[09:11] <willcooke> hummm
[09:11] <willcooke> interesting
[09:11] <Laney> don't know what was added on top of that though
[09:11] <Laney> could have been anything :)
[09:11] <dednick> maybe cherry picking from debian?
[09:12] <willcooke> sounds complicated
[09:12] <dednick> but the packaging is similar... but not the same.
[09:12] <willcooke> we should simplify as much as we can
[09:12] <Laney> more likely cherry picking from upstream
[09:12] <Laney> but I would expect that to be as git format-patch style patches applied with quilt
[09:12] <dednick> also, if we want to use debian and we want to go up to 1.8 then we need to wait for debian to go to 1.8
[09:13] <Laney> yeh
[09:13] <Laney> If you want to do that I would sync up with their packaging and then gbp import-orig on top of it
[09:14] <Laney> doesn't look released atm though
[09:14] <Laney> so probably for later
[09:18] <dednick> yup. only 1.6 for now.
[09:20] <Laney> doesn't look to me like there's any crazy phone stuff in there
[09:20] <Laney> phew :)
[09:22] <Laney> although I guess that might have been possible to drop anyway
[09:22]  * Laney la la la
[09:23] <willcooke> I /think/ there were some useful patches from the phone to n-m - but that h_appyaron had started (and maybe finished) upstreaming and dropping them
[09:24] <willcooke> there might still be a few oddities laying around
[09:24]  * willcooke has a meeting with Foundations next week to discuss
[09:24] <willcooke> We should try and get the version that the people like Tony Espy are using in some snaps, and the version we are putting out for desktop in sync
[09:25] <seb128> sorry I missed a bit of the conversation while relocating with my laptop
[09:25] <seb128> but yeah, unsure if we still need the ofono integration parts
[09:27] <Laney> I think we can afford to not make this too confusing right now
[09:27] <Laney> a Debian merge is there and needed to be done, so try to do that and then see what happens
[09:30] <xnox> Trevinho, hehe, i need to fix my mp, I think.
[09:30] <xnox> for unity
[09:31] <xnox> and for compiz there are missing files. for colorfilter stuff which is not shipped anywhere, i guess we need to ship it into some package?
[09:34] <muktupavels> Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/gwd-hidpi/+merge/323100
[09:48] <xnox> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/lowgfx-profile-setter-no-upstart/+merge/323118 this should fix the unity build failure in the bileto landing; please review & approve. And then we can reconfigure bileto to add that branch in?
[09:48] <xnox> looking into compiz now as well.
[09:56] <seb128> Trevinho, what did you ask me to review yesterday?
[10:07] <xnox> Trevinho, please respond to https://code.launchpad.net/~banw/compiz/compiz.colorfilter/+merge/320611/comments/847280 =)
[10:08] <Laney> poor Marco
[10:14] <willcooke> seb128, libinput - does anything change wrt/ trying to move to libinput this cycle now we're Wayland?
[10:15] <seb128> willcooke, GNOME is using it so we just got it for free by switching desktop even under their x11 session
[10:15] <willcooke> \m/
[10:15]  * willcooke makes a note to make sure we cover it in testing
[10:16] <seb128> :-)
[10:18] <tjaalton> xserver-xorg-input-all doesn't pull -synaptics anymore
[10:22] <seb128> tjaalton, since when?
[10:23] <tjaalton> yesterday
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> talking of input. Since I upgraded to zesty, edge scrolling is enabled on my touchpad. I'm pretty sure I always had it disabled in xenial, but I can't find anywhere in the control-center to disable it again
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> Not sure if that's a gnome thing or a zesty thing, but it's really annoying
[10:25] <seb128> k, so unity settings wouldn't work on arful?
[10:25] <tjaalton> not without synaptics installed
[10:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it should be in u-c-c, do you have -synaptic installed
[10:27] <seb128> tjaalton, seems a bit backward to do the change before the desktop is ready to handle it, but I guess in practice it's fine
[10:27] <tjaalton> oh wait
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it's installed. I'm not using unity though, and the setting appears to no longer be in g-c-c
[10:28] <tjaalton> I didn't upload it yet :P
[10:28] <seb128> lol
[10:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, that's your issue then
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> can I launch u-c-c from gnome-shell?
[10:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, GNOME uses libinput not synaptic
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> ah
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> that sucks
[10:28] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: remove x-x-i-synaptics
[10:28] <seb128> try removing -synaptics
[10:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no reason you couldn't
[10:29] <seb128> but u-c-c talks to u-s-d which is not active
[10:29] <seb128> so it might not be of much use
[10:29] <seb128> you might also need to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity
[10:29] <seb128> though I think we changed u-c-c to not need that
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> yeah, I got an empty window when I launched it
[10:30] <seb128> so X_C_D
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> I guess I need to restart after removing x-x-i-synaptics?
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> brb
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> w00t, that worked
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> no more edge scrolling :)
[10:37] <seb128> :-)
[10:37] <seb128> you are one of those 2 fingers scrolling people then?
[10:37] <willcooke> represent!
[10:38] <seb128> just curious, does edge scrolling have any side effect? or do you trigger it by error?
[10:38] <willcooke> I find that it's a lot less easy to trigger and a bit fiddly
[10:38] <willcooke> two finger just works for me
[10:42] <seb128> yeah, I understand that some people prefer it, I was just wondering if the edge scroll had a side effect if it's on and you are not one of its users
[10:43] <seb128> I guess you might end up triggering scroll while trying to move the cursors and hitting the edge sometimes
[10:44] <didrocks> 2 fingers scrolling people here |m|
[10:45] <willcooke> yeah, I do find that when moving around the screen, as soon as I get towards the rhs of the pad then its easy to trigger scrolling
[10:45] <willcooke> still just usability rather than a bug I suppose
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, 2 finger scrolling here. I kept triggering the edge scrolling by accident
[10:46] <seb128> makes sense
[10:48] <seb128> that said I don't use my touchpad outside the edge scrolling :p
[10:49] <seb128> too used to the small round in the middle of the keyboard
[11:03] <dednick> eww. red dot of doom.
[11:03] <dednick> mine fell off this morning.
[11:03] <willcooke> popey, didnt you find a supplier of new nipples?
[11:23] <jbicha> the -synaptics thing is annoying
[11:24] <jbicha> if -synaptics is installed, GNOME's Mouse/Touchpad Settings doesn't work very well :(
[11:24] <seb128> yeah, it's a bit tricky
[11:24] <jbicha> do we know what desktops still haven't switched to libinput?
[11:24] <seb128> we should probably put that on the list as well :p
[11:24] <seb128> unity
[11:27] <seb128> unsure about others, not easy list from from a quick googling
[14:29] <jbicha> is it ok to upload vala 0.36 to artful now? bug 1669253
[14:30] <seb128> jbicha, is that the GNOME 3.24 version?
[14:31] <jbicha> yes, it will cause some pkgs to FTBFS but I think we should start fixing those now
[14:31] <seb128> I've not going to veto but I would -1
[14:32] <seb128> that's the sort of strategy that leads us to have a stack of mixed transitions at the start of the cycles that are hard to get through
[14:32] <seb128> we might stuck the whole stack for a month again
[14:32] <jbicha> all GNOME pkgs should build fine, it's the non-GNOME stuff that will have a problem
[14:32] <seb128> britney doesn't make differences between GNOME or not
[14:32] <seb128> it might just hit a package blocking a transition
[14:32] <seb128> I would rather avoid more disruption that the autosync create at the start of the cycle
[14:32] <seb128> but that's me
[14:33] <seb128> if you think it's important enough to risk it feel free
[14:33] <jbicha> the transition itself should be easy (the only pkgs affected are anjuta, gnome-builder, valabind and valadoc)
[14:33] <seb128> well if you are confident
[14:33] <seb128> what are the benefits of doing it now?
[14:33] <seb128> instead of waiting for the initial sync round to be sorted out?
[14:34] <seb128> I don't think we are short on merges to do and such yet?
[14:34] <jbicha> I have no problem with waiting for the first autosync, if you think that might be better
[14:35] <seb128> I would do that just to be on the safe side
[14:35] <seb128> happy for Laney or others to state their position though
[14:35] <Laney> hi
[14:35] <seb128> hey Laney :-)
[14:35] <Laney> any reason not to stay in sync by going via exp?
[14:35] <seb128> basically jbicha is +1 and I'm -1 so need somebody else to untie :p
[14:36] <jbicha> the first autosync should be fairly quiet since Debian unstable is quiet
[14:36] <Laney> autosyncs aren't on yet, if that makes a difference
[14:37] <jbicha> exp is fine with me although pkg-gnome hasn't really started on 3.24 yet
[14:37] <seb128> my preference is easy syncs & merges first, get archive to settle then add extra transitions one by one
[14:37] <seb128> we all know how it can turn with mixed transitions
[14:38] <Laney> i'm ok with that
[14:38] <seb128> anyway, that's my position, not going to veto if somebody want to step it and take responsability to deal with extra work created
[14:38] <Laney> i'll sponsor it to experimental, ping me once it's in svn
[14:39] <jbicha> ok
[14:39] <Laney> and other 3.24 things unless someone cries
[14:39] <jbicha> Laney: are you interested in sponsoring mozjs38 into Debian new?
[14:40] <Laney> dunno
[14:40] <Laney> isn't there a new one?
[14:40] <seb128> jbicha, i'm starting to review your shotwell update btw
[14:40] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/current.log
[14:40] <Laney> there's a list of what will happen at the end there
[14:40] <Laney> if you're interested
[14:41] <jbicha> gnome-shell 3.24 needs mozjs38; 3.26 will probably need mozjs52 so hopefully mozjs38 will never be in Debian stable
[14:41] <seb128> Laney, do you know why we didn't do it yet?
[14:41] <Laney> nope
[14:41] <seb128> we used to have "new archive open," or "toolchain news" on ubuntu-devel@
[14:41] <Laney> snakefruit had a release upgrade yesterday, maybe they were waiting for after that
[14:41] <seb128> not such info this cycle that I saw
[14:42] <seb128> no*
[14:42] <Laney> yeh
[14:42] <Laney> it got opened but I didn't see that announced
[14:42] <seb128> I didn't even notice  we had a name until yesterday
[14:42] <Laney> jbicha: so I'm interested if it's used
[14:42] <Laney> if we skip to 52 and have to do the NEW dance again, not so much
[14:44] <Laney> like if you want to get gnome-shell 3.24 in experimental and there's a moderate chance it'll see the light of day in unstable
[14:45] <Laney> I guess you should check with the current mozjs maintainer first too
[14:46] <jbicha> Laney: I talked with him in December but then he stopped answering my emails
[14:46] <Laney> heh
[14:47] <jbicha> he wasn't thrilled about maintaining mozjs38 though
[14:47] <Laney> ok, well it doesn't seem super urgent to me
[14:47] <Laney> we can take time to figure out maintenance and versioning
[14:48] <jbicha> mozjs38 not being in Debian isn't causing Ubuntu any problems
[14:49] <jbicha> GNOME 3.26 will be out in September; Stretch should be released before then but it wouldn't hurt Debian to wait a few more weeks for a newer GNOME
[14:50] <jbicha> Cinnamon might need mozjs38 for a few months since they are following GNOME
[14:54] <Laney> 'k, well something will force the issue at some point
[15:02] <willcooke> Not going to make the unmeeting now - on a call
[15:03] <Laney> man
[15:04] <Laney> nobody likes the unmeeting
[15:04] <kenvandine> Laney, i'm trying
[15:04] <kenvandine> talky.io is angry because i don't have a camera on the box i'm using atm
[15:05] <kenvandine> i guess a mic isn't enough...
[15:06] <Laney> oh :-o
[15:16] <ricotz> jbicha, throw mozjs back to chrisccoulson ;P
[15:26] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - I'm going to be on this call for a bit longer - would one of you mind chairing the meeting today?  Sorry
[15:26]  * seb128 plays not being the first to reply
[15:29] <seb128> k, Laney beats me at this game
[15:29] <seb128> willcooke, I can do
[15:29] <willcooke> :) thanks seb128
[15:29] <Laney> muhahahah
[15:29] <willcooke> well played Laney
[15:29] <seb128> yw
[15:29] <seb128> :-p
[15:29] <Laney> was busy unmeetinging
[15:30] <seb128> oh, others joined you? good
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting
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[15:30] <andyrock> o/
[15:30] <tkamppeter> hi
[15:31] <seb128> let's see if I can figure the list of people to ping
[15:31] <Laney> I got to see the face of didrocks
[15:31] <Laney> it's been too long
[15:31] <jbicha> o/
[15:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[15:31]  * kenvandine waves
[15:31] <Laney> are you doing a round or what?
[15:31] <didrocks> Laney: with the new haircut of the week-end, what a priviledge :-) /me hugs you
[15:31] <Laney> if so...
[15:31] <seb128> andyrock, dgadomski, kenvandine, Laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out?), robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, yeah, see email from wil_lcooke from this morning
[15:32] <seb128> if people don't have weekly notes it's fine but let's do a quick round and then aob
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's start
[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey :-)
[15:32] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <andyrock> #1 Working on Chromium on Mir (waiting from mir team to add gbm bo import, so started to add input support)
[15:33] <andyrock> #2 Reviews
[15:33] <andyrock> #3 eow
[15:34] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:34] <dgadomski> hey
[15:34] <seb128> dgadomski, hey, still around? (a bit difficult to keep track of status)
[15:35] <dgadomski> yep, still here
[15:35] <dgadomski> * looking into do-release-upgrade conflict with landscape - will report an lp bug about that
[15:35] <dgadomski> * examining a wifi issue related to some cisco blocking Wifi Direct capable devices - looking for a way to disable this capability
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:35] <seb128> good to see you are still around :-)
[15:35] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> likewise :)
[15:35] <seb128> #topic kenvandine
[15:35] <kenvandine> * jbicha filed most of the MIRs, I filed the last couple that are minimally required for gnome-shell.  gjs and mozjs38 MIRs have been forwarded to security for review.
[15:35] <kenvandine> * I have branches for gnome-online-accounts and gnome-shell which drop some recommends to suggests to make our list shorter for our first round, these have also been uploaded to the PPA for testing.  Some of these I think should be moved back to recommends, but lets get the minimum list of MIRs approved before we attack those.
[15:35] <kenvandine> * lightdm vs gdm3, there has been some good discussion on the mailing list but no decision.  I think it's safe to assume we should stick with lightdm for our initial seeding of gnome-shell until we can sort out the longer term plans.
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, welcome back!
[15:35] <kenvandine> * QUESTION:  Does anyone know how we can build images from a seed in the PPA?
[15:35] <kenvandine> thanks!
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, +1 on lightdm to start
[15:36] <seb128> I don't know about image build
[15:36] <seb128> Laney might?
[15:36] <Laney> Probably
[15:36] <kenvandine> i'll pester Laney after the meeting then :)
[15:36] <Laney> It's a fair bit of work though
[15:37] <kenvandine> i'd like to build an image with gnome-shell and without unity to test
[15:37] <seb128> sounds good, just use the channel, others (including me) might be interesting to learn
[15:37] <kenvandine> EOF
[15:37] <Laney> I don't think I'd bother personally
[15:37] <kenvandine> ok then
[15:37] <Laney> The touch stuff was built with a PPA
[15:37] <Laney> but that was expected to be long lived
[15:37] <kenvandine> i guess we can test it in artful soonish then :)
[15:37] <kenvandine> i'll look at changes to the seed and share a diff
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, that's it for me
[15:38] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[15:38] <Laney> I'd just do some pre-test iterations in there and then whack it in the release
[15:38] <Laney> personally ;-)
[15:38] <seb128> +1 on that
[15:38] <Laney> and continue to use it for crack testing when dropping patches and things
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, sounds good to you as well?
[15:39] <kenvandine> yup
[15:39] <seb128> good, let's get moving then
[15:39] <Laney> sweet
[15:39] <seb128> adding jbicha to the list
[15:39] <seb128> #topic jbicha
[15:39] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[15:39] <jbicha> hi!
[15:39] <jbicha> - Created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List and started the paperwork for several of the MIRs
[15:40] <jbicha> - Started ubuntu-desktop list topics for default email client, GNOME 3.26
[15:40] <jbicha> - Worked on GNOME 3.24.1 SRUs for Zesty
[15:40] <jbicha> - Worked on evolution 3.24 (LP: #1685683), still needs some work
[15:40] <jbicha> - Worked on shotwell 0.26 (LP: #1581180)
[15:40] <jbicha> - Tagged some bugs with 'wayland' and 'gnome-17.10'
[15:40] <jbicha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10
[15:40] <jbicha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland
[15:40] <jbicha> EOF
[15:40] <seb128> thanks jbicha, good working on starting those discussions and lists
[15:40] <kenvandine> yeah, thanks jbicha!
[15:40] <seb128> I'm going to have a look to your shotwell diff today or tomorrow
[15:41] <seb128> next is Laney
[15:41] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:41] <Laney> one sec
[15:41] <Laney> got interrupted ;-)
[15:42] <seb128> no problem, should I just come back to you later?
[15:42] <Laney> nope
[15:42] <seb128> k
[15:42] <Laney> here we go
[15:42] <Laney> • Some things from the last 3 weeks?
[15:42] <Laney> • Released zesty
[15:42] <Laney> • Fixed a dkms bug that was breaking module compilation on upgrade (that got merged upstream)
[15:42] <Laney> • Worked a bit on archive opening
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ appstream → needed some slight tweaks to freeze zesty, should be good now
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ autopkgtest → figured out how to initialise everything, wrote a small patch for the LXD image creator to dist-upgrade zesty → artful before there were proper artful releases (there are now)
[15:43] <Laney> ‣ Wrote some documentation in my notepad for the wiki, need to type that up now. (bus factor--)
[15:43] <Laney> • Some feedback to QA about the current state / what would be good to test in the future
[15:43] <Laney> • Investigated problems with ubuntu-image's github <-> autopkgtest.u.c communication. Turned out that it was using an API token from someone who has left the company :/
[15:43] <Laney> • Worked on rebasing gnome-shell/ubuntu-master onto master - autotools is dropped there so ported our stuff to meson. Still in progress, but nearly done.
[15:43] <Laney> ⚰
[15:43] <seb128> thanks Laney!
[15:44] <seb128> next oSoMoN
[15:44] <seb128> #topic oSoMoN
[15:44] <oSoMoN> hey
[15:44] <oSoMoN> I’ve taken over chromium-browser packaging, just in time for a new upstream release (58.0.3029.81). All built in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages and handed over to security team for validation.
[15:44] <oSoMoN> I’ve also packaged the next release (59) in a separate PPA for all supported releases, currently building (https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-next/+packages).
[15:44] <oSoMoN> I am now doing some bug triaging/cleanup at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser (have been mass-closing very old crash reports).
[15:44] <oSoMoN> That's all from me for now
[15:44] <jbicha> Laney: that's gnome-software/master not gnome-shell, right?
[15:44] <Laney> yes
[15:44] <Laney> you know
[15:44] <seb128> seems quite some good work there
[15:44] <Laney> I wrote gnome-shell on my notepad
[15:44] <Laney> and then scribbled it out and wrote software
[15:44] <seb128> thanks oSoMoN
[15:44] <Laney> and then I went and typed gnome-shell
[15:44] <Laney> weird
[15:45] <seb128> lol, thanks for catching that jbicha
[15:45] <seb128> I though Laney took on gnome-shell :-)
[15:45] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:45] <seb128> • 17.04 testing & post release launcher/e.u.c bugs review&triaging
[15:45] <seb128> • some catching up on GNOME world
[15:45] <seb128> • participated at several discussions about the (GNOME mostly) work to be done this cycle

[15:45] <seb128> bah
[15:45] <seb128> launcher->launchpad typo in the first item
[15:45] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:46] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:46] <Laney> no but I did work on build fixes for gnome-shell/mutter in jhbuild (some linker change), forgot to mention that
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd (IPP-over-USB printing): Discovered a lot of bugs and room for improvement when starting to patch avahi for broadcasting localhost services locally. A lot of testing and fixing, especially for clean shutdown, stop DNS-SD advertising on shutdown or printer unplug, made it robust against restarting avahi-daemon, ... After all remaining fixes done I plan to issue the next release.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: The Linux Foundation got 11 slots, we use 7 for OpenPrinting, 2 for LSB, and 2 for WireGuard. Slot count determined mainly by the availability of mentors.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:47] <seb128> tkamppeter, did you get to try the GNOME printing tools to see how they compared to s-c-p yet?
[15:47] <tkamppeter> Not yet.
[15:48] <seb128> k
[15:48] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[15:48] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:48] <seb128> Trevinho, still awake?
[15:48] <tkamppeter> seb128, I fear that s-c-p is till much more powerful.
[15:48] <jbicha> nice typo :)
[15:49] <seb128> lol
[15:49] <oSoMoN> :)
[15:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, well, it's a standalone UI so it would be easy to keep using it under GNOME if we want
[15:50] <seb128> not Trevinho I guess
[15:50] <seb128> (sorry if you sent summaries to willcooke, didn't got those fwded if that's the case
[15:50] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[15:50] <seb128> same for robert_ancell
[15:50] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:50] <seb128> other topics?
[15:51] <kenvandine> do we have anyone going to guadec?
[15:52] <seb128> good question
[15:52] <seb128> not that I know
[15:52] <seb128> not sure if we have official company time/budget, question for willcooke I guess
[15:52] <seb128> I expect some of us are going to go but I don't know if anyone signed up/decided yet
[15:52] <kenvandine> ok
[15:53] <seb128> jbicha, was there any GNOME work topic we wanted to discuss here?
[15:53] <seb128> we still need to set up a proper meeting where .au members can join
[15:54] <seb128> but we can discuss some small things here if we want
[15:55] <jbicha> I don't think I have anything else specifically for today's meeting
[15:55] <seb128> good, we can still discuss things on the channel outside meeting time anyway
[15:55] <seb128> let's wrap then
[15:56] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[15:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 15:56:03 2017 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-04-25-15.30.moin.txt
[15:57] <jbicha> oSoMoN: thanks for picking up chromium maintenance, does 59 switch to gtk3?
[15:59] <seb128> oSoMoN, let us know on channel or list if you need testers for the ppa, there are probably a bunch of us who would be happy to help with that :-)
[15:59] <jbicha> I see there's an old team/ppas at https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily maybe it makes sense for you to get access and use those ppas?
[16:01] <seb128> +1
[16:01] <willcooke> back, and reading backloh
[16:01] <seb128> k, need to relocate, that place is closing
[16:01] <seb128> back online in 10min or so
[16:02] <jbicha> kenvandine: I'm merging your gnome-shell changes, adding a few more demotions to suggests and then I'll probably go ahead and upload
[16:02] <kenvandine> jbicha, cool
[16:02] <kenvandine> jbicha, i'd like to eventually get back to recommending chrome-gnome-extension and switcheroo-control
[16:03] <kenvandine> but i think switcheroo-control is only useful with gdm3 atm right?
[16:03] <jbicha> kenvandine: I don't think switcheroo-control has anything to do with gdm but I don't have hybrid graphics to check
[16:03] <kenvandine> and chrome-gnome-extension won't be a simple MIR, but i think we really want it
[16:03] <kenvandine> jbicha, i think if you have hybrid graphics gdm3 gives you an option to switch
[16:04] <kenvandine> at least based on my limited investigation
[16:04] <kenvandine> i don't have hybrid either
[16:04] <kenvandine> it seems to let you switch before logging in
[16:04] <kenvandine> afaict
[16:04] <jbicha> http://www.hadess.net/2016/10/dual-gpu-integration-in-gnome.html
[16:05] <willcooke> desktoppers - GUADEC approval is in progress.  Watch this space
[16:28] <Menzador> What's this about GUADEC approval mate? willcooke
[16:28] <willcooke> Menzador, getting Canonicallers to GUADEC
[16:29] <Menzador> Ah! That would be helpful :)
[16:32] <Laney> chrisccoulson: you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1683997 ?
[16:52] <jbicha> tjaalton: for bug 1417980, maybe we shouldn't close Unity 7 bugs as long as Unity 7 will still be in universe?
[16:56] <Laney> gonna jet out of here
[16:56] <Laney> see you tomorrow!
[17:04]  * willcooke follows
[17:04] <willcooke> night all
[17:04] <willcooke> oh
[17:04] <willcooke> no
[17:04] <willcooke> I've got a meeting at 9pm
[17:04] <willcooke> I'll be back later
[17:11] <tjaalton> jbicha: what difference would that make? no-one is going to fix that
[17:12] <tjaalton> and 1686081 should be moved to u-s-d, it should depend on -synaptics now
[17:12] <tjaalton> as unity is the only DE that doesn't support -libinput
[17:12] <jbicha> if no one is going to fix Unity 7 issues, then I think it would be better to remove Unity 7 from Ubuntu…
[17:13] <tjaalton> I've tried to get this fixed for two years..
[17:14] <jbicha> is it possible to get Unity to bundle synaptics in a way that will allow unity-settings-daemon to work but not cause issues for gnome-settings-daemon?
[17:14] <tjaalton> don't see how
[17:15] <jbicha> I wonder how badly Unity 7 would be broken if it switched to g-s-d, g-c-c…
[17:16] <tjaalton> no idea
[17:19] <muktupavels> very badly? for example Display settings in g-c-c needs org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig dbus name to change / see display configuration...
[17:24]  * oSoMoN EOD
[17:24] <oSoMoN> good night everyone!
[17:50] <sarnold> oh boy if we could remove every package that's had bugs untouched for two years.. :)
[18:01] <jbicha> the specific bug here is LP: #1686081
[18:09] <jbicha> hey, Unity runs with gnome-settings-daemon, you were right about the Displays panel being useless but at least it doesn't crash or anything
[18:10] <jbicha> I think it's a good trade-off to drop unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center but let's see what the others thing
[18:11] <muktupavels> how Unity users will configure their displays?
[18:12] <muktupavels> does keybindings works?
[18:12] <muktupavels> over time there many things from gcc or gsd has been moved to mutter.
[18:14] <jbicha> keybindings seem to work but I'm using VBox
[18:15] <jbicha> Unity users will have to find a developer that cares enough to come up with some way to configure displays on Unity
[18:16] <muktupavels> I dont use Unity so it does not affect me. :)
[18:16] <jbicha> but I think it's better than breaking Mouse & Touchpad settings in the default install because someone was curious to see how well Unity works in 18.04
[18:18] <muktupavels> how did you test that it works with gsd and gcc?
[18:18] <jbicha> well I hacked it to work, I just have to figure out if this is appropriate to push to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-desktop-gnome
[18:18] <jbicha> or if I should use a 2nd ppa for it
[18:20] <jbicha> wait, I missed a step…
[18:20] <muktupavels> is there a way to kill usd in unity settings? if I kill it it is restarted.
[18:21] <muktupavels> in unity session...
[18:22] <jbicha> this will take some more time…
[19:57] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[19:58] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[21:01] <willcooke> night all
[21:03] <a1fa> how do you force the instller into ncurses mode
[21:06] <a1fa> nomodeset* worked for me
[21:34] <TheMuso> jbicha: Thanks for the article link dude.
[21:34] <TheMuso> jbicha: Oh yeah I know about Alex.
[22:44] <jbicha> TheMuso: good morning
[23:11] <TheMuso> jbicha: Hey dude, hope all is well.
[23:27] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hmm, if I switch DM to GDM I just get a black screen. Is there anything special I have to do on 17.04?
[23:28] <jbicha> :(
[23:29] <jbicha> what graphics drivers are you using?
[23:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, intel
[23:30] <robert_ancell> I tried disabling Wayland and enabling debug but no change
[23:31] <jbicha> I don't know then
[23:32] <jbicha> I was waiting for the first round of Zesty SRUs to get promoted out of -proposed before updating gdm3 and gnome-session to 3.24.1
[23:32] <jbicha> I figured it wasn't good to change too many parts of the critical GNOME infrastructure all at once
[23:33] <robert_ancell> :)
[23:33] <robert_ancell> jbicha, but as far as you know, just installing gdm/gnome-shell on 17.04 should be sufficient to boot to a GNOME desktop?
[23:34] <jbicha> that's supposed to work, it's possible that there's a missing dependency since most people tested with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed
[23:37] <jbicha> I'm trying now to see what happens…
[23:38] <robert_ancell> ah, I was looking for the appropriate metapackage - installing that now
[23:52] <jbicha> robert_ancell: it looks like I can confirm that issue :(
[23:52] <robert_ancell> jbicha, but it doesn't occur with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed?


[09:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[20:42] <nosound> I'm trying to install portaudio19-dev, I have all deps installed, yet it says broken when i try to install it... there's no conflicts either
[20:53] <soee_> hi, any idea how to fix grub error: file /grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found ?


[00:16] <awag> hello, can anyone help me with configuring strigi? it doesn't seem to work right
[00:16] <WaltzingAlong> awag: ubuntu support is in #ubuntu and kubuntu support in #kubuntu
[00:16] <awag> ok
[00:17] <Riddell> or #strigi
[00:17] <awag> ok thanks
[00:31] <fdoving> Riddell: did you investigate the kdesudo bind-to-tty issue?
[00:31]  * nosrednaekim pings mhb again...
[00:32] <fdoving> bug 132456
[00:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132456 in kdesudo "User account 'remembers' admin password" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132456
[00:33] <Riddell> fdoving: never had time, could try KProcess's pty method thingy, but I suspect it would end up with having to have a new password for each use
[00:34] <Riddell> I'm still not convinced its very important, sudo is ment to remember your password and X users don't care about ptys
[00:34] <fdoving> i tried, but it didn't help, still 'unknown'
[00:34] <fdoving> that's the pty thing.
[00:34] <fdoving> KProcess::setUsePty() that is
[00:35] <Riddell> curious
[00:35] <fdoving> i'm not convinced either. as you say it'll be one new password per pty. and that's kinda stupid.
[00:36] <snikker> when i go in "systemsettings" --> display, an error message say that's impossible to load the display module... can you help me?
[00:36] <Riddell> snikker: does displayconfig  work from the command line?
[00:38] <snikker> Riddell: no, i've got an error... i've paste it here: http://pastebin.ca/743988
[00:38]  * nosrednaekim suspects XGL
[00:41] <fdoving> uh.. gksudo uses 3 and 4. that is /var/run/sudo/$user/3 and 4.
[00:41] <fdoving> weird.
[00:41] <fdoving> 3 that is.
[00:42] <snikker> nosrednaekim: i've installed xgl, but in feistywork fine
[00:43] <snikker> nosrednaekim: after upgrade to gusty i've got this problem.
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> snikker: hmm yeah, it works for me in XGL, but it didn't in fiesty
[00:43] <fdoving> Riddell: gksudo isn't perfect either. kmenu -> run command -> gksudo dolphin does also create the unknown file.
[00:43] <fdoving> i'll just forget that issue for now.
[00:44] <snikker> nosrednaekim: what can i do? i must remove beryl?
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> snikker: you could try disabling xgl and testing then.
[00:45] <snikker> nosrednaekim: do you mean xgl in xorg.conf?
[00:46] <Riddell> fdoving: I'd suspect it would, it's actually why we didn't use -H in the first place
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> snikker: no, I mean either uninstall it or disable it with a file in .confog
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> *config
[00:48] <fdoving> Riddell: i was talking about the /var/run/sudo/$user/unknown file. the tty thing in gksudo doesn't work well unless ran from konsole, or probably some gnome-way.
[00:48] <Riddell> fdoving: oh, right
[00:48] <snikker> nosrednaekim: ok, now i try do it
[00:48] <Riddell> fdoving: suspected that too :)
[00:51] <fdoving> well, nite.
[00:52] <Riddell> thanks fdoving
[00:52] <Riddell> sleep well
[01:32] <coreymon77> hey guys
[01:32] <coreymon77> is kde 3.5.8 stalbe
[01:32] <coreymon77> stable*
[01:32] <coreymon77> or still beta
[01:34] <Riddell> hasn't been beta for many a year
[01:35] <coreymon77> oh
[01:35] <coreymon77> v\nvm
[01:35] <coreymon77> i though i still had 357
[01:36] <coreymon77> well, ive gotta say, first impressions of gutsy are very good
[02:01] <CPrgmSwR2> I noticed that kde4 release canidate is around the corner
[02:02] <CPrgmSwR2> Well there be packages that maintain up to date with kde4 release canidate
[02:04] <DaSkreech> as soon as they announcing the tagging
[02:05] <CPrgmSwR2> So once the tagging is announced, then the packages put together the packages?
[02:06] <CPrgmSwR2> Are they usually released within 24 hours of that period?
[02:07] <DaSkreech> No :)
[02:16]  * blauzahl frowns.
[02:16] <blauzahl> Failed to fetch http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/dists/feisty/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 302 Found
[02:17] <blauzahl> a) shouldn't it be gutsy? b) 302 error?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Ask the medibuntu folks
[02:18] <blauzahl> who are they?
[02:19] <blauzahl> or rather, why do you say that?
[02:19] <DaSkreech> #medibuntu
[02:19] <DaSkreech> Cause they work on thier own
[02:20] <blauzahl> what is it, though?
[02:20] <blauzahl> that makes them sound very mysterious.
[02:21] <blauzahl> oh, i see.
[02:22] <blauzahl> ok.
[03:14] <besonen_mobile_> where's the 7.10 changelog?
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> besonen_mobile_: the release notes?
[03:16] <besonen_mobile_> where on the kubuntu website are those?
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> should be right off the front page under 7.10 final release
[03:17] <besonen_mobile_> i just found them.  bottom of the page.
[03:18] <besonen_mobile_> i take that back.  that was a link to ubuntu's 7.10 changelog.
[03:18] <besonen_mobile_> still looking for the kubuntu 7.10 changelog.  if anyone has a url i'd love to have it.
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> that what you are looking for?^^
[03:22] <besonen_mobile_> thanks nosrednaekim , but there is no changelog there.
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hmm
[04:18] <jjess1> Evening on from my Nokia N800
[04:19] <DaSkreech> 810 :)
[04:20] <jjess1> grin nope the 8000
[04:24] <nixternal> wow
[04:24] <nixternal> I have done 20 lightscribe images (every *buntu iso for 32 and 64bit, 7.10)
[04:24] <nixternal> now I have to burn all of the images I am currently downloading
[04:24] <nixternal> down to 7...one finished :)
[04:25] <jjess1> wow sound like fun
[04:26] <jjess1> nixternal: connected via,my nokia
[04:27] <nixternal> nice
[04:27] <jjess1> yah gaim has an irc plugin
[04:28] <jjess1> And since the nokia is debian based.....
[04:28] <nixternal> there is a guy in Ubuntu Chicago who lives on irc with a blackberry
[04:29] <jjess1> cool well bed time now that the football game is over
[04:30] <nixternal> did mich lose again?
[04:30] <jjess1> nope beat illinois
[04:30] <nixternal> I watched the one td where to take them to 10, but it was still illinois 13, michigan 10 at that point
[04:30] <nixternal> sweet!
[04:34] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Which images?
[04:34] <nixternal> lightscribe images?
[04:35] <nixternal> I made the lightscribe images
[04:37] <DaSkreech> thats the crazy burner thing?
[04:47] <nixternal> ya
[04:47] <DaSkreech> I didn't know it needed specific images
[04:55] <nixternal> it doesn't need specific iso images
[04:55] <nixternal> graphic images
[04:58] <DaSkreech> So JPEG or PNG isn't good enough? :)
[05:02] <nixternal> it is, but I created SVGs so I can easily swap out images
[05:03] <DaSkreech> ah ok
[05:03] <DaSkreech> smart :)
[05:05] <nixternal> I want to so some really nice ones though
[05:05] <nixternal> the only one that is tough is the Xubuntu one cuz they stuck the mouse in the middle, and you can't print in the middle of a cd :)
[05:19] <claydoh> ahhh lightscribe, I did only one disk so far (dapper)
[05:19] <claydoh> http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19
[05:21] <DaSkreech> k3b supports it?
[05:21] <claydoh> I dunno, the software burned the image for me outside k3b
[05:21] <claydoh> so I don't know why the mention of k3b
[05:22] <nixternal> there is 4LS or something like that for Linux...it is hit or miss on if it works for you
[05:23] <claydoh> ya, Lacie has the 4L, and lightscribe.com has a simpler one
[05:25] <nixternal> the simpler one is garbage though
[05:25] <nixternal> you have to use their labels
[05:25] <nixternal> they have a new template labeler which allows you to create templates, and it is free of charge
[05:56] <nixternal> DaSkreech: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/pics/
[05:56] <nixternal> there are the CDs that I made tonight
[05:56] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!!
[05:59]  * DaSkreech sits on Hobbsee
[06:00] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Those look great!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal, DaSkreech!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: seen the article?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> No I haven't
[11:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: hey
[11:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: saw your upload reguarding to kdesudo
[11:27] <Tonio_> fdoving: sudo yakuakr also creates a root owned rc file in the user profile
[11:27] <Tonio_> I don't understand that what i considered a critical bug arround kdesudo seems to be "normal" behavior with sudo :/
[11:28] <Tonio_> just done asudo yakuake and my rc file is owned by root aswell
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that a sudo bug btw ?
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: then make kdesudo using sudo -H would be imho a workarround for the sudo bug right ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw I'll have to compare with gksu on that point, maybe kdesudo whould just act like gksu
[11:37] <Tonio_> hum gksu seems to be using sudo -h too, right
[11:37] <Tonio_> let's go like that
[11:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: thanks or the fix, I'll commit on bzr
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> ping mhb
[13:10]  * nosrednaekim really really wants mhb to come out of the woodwork
[13:11] <Jucato> let him be :)
[13:15] <nosrednaekim> heh
[13:18] <mhb> nosrednaekim: hey
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb hey!
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb: you may be happy to hear that I am about 50% done writing a dialog frontend to the restricted-manager
[13:20] <mhb> oh, that's great
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> but I need some info on what some of the gui classes do, such as the firmware select.
[13:20] <mhb> the firmware select dialog lets you choose a firmware file for the driver
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> does it need to go out to the internet?
[13:21] <mhb> it has a local file select or remote file select
[13:22] <mhb> so when the user inserts an URL, it should go and download it, that is what the Progress class is for (shows progress of the download)
[13:22] <mhb> I think
[13:24] <nosrednaekim> ah ok. they have to insert a URL, I didn't want them to go browsing becausethat would require some lynx embedding ;)
[13:24]  * nosrednaekim didn't really read the FW* classes very well
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> But yeah, it happily enables and disables my atheros and ATI drivers :). It was dead simple thanks to the Common classes
[13:26] <mhb> nosrednaekim: do you have the code in a branch somewhere?
[13:26] <mhb> I'd like to take a look at it
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> mhb: no I don't and I have no clue how to work bazaar :)
[13:28] <nosrednaekim> i'm planning on learning during Open Week though.
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> mhb: and it has two dependencies, dialog and python-dialog. I tried to do plain ncurses,but that was getting complicated fast.
[13:33] <mhb> are those in kubuntu by default?
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> in the repositories,yes,but not on the install.
[13:35] <mhb> ah
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> I can DCC the single python file to you if you want..
[14:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, I seen it...not to shabby..he did a pretty good write up actually
[14:29]  * Jucato waves to nixternal
[14:29]  * nixternal waves back
[14:29] <nixternal> wasting time before the party and install fest
[14:29] <Jucato> kool!
[14:29] <Jucato> will speedy gonzales be there? :)
[14:31] <nixternal> no, he is back at school
[14:31] <nixternal> his twin will be though
[14:31] <Jucato> haha yeah eddie. he's been in #kubuntu a lot lately
[14:32] <nixternal> cool, he might become the next head of the Chicago team actually
[14:32] <Jucato> ooooh
[14:32] <Jucato> hm... I forgot his problem. but he had an issue with Kubuntu the other day. and we both decided on the perfect solution
[14:33] <nixternal> he always has an issue :)
[14:33] <Jucato> "Make Richard fix it"
[14:33] <nixternal> ahh, so that is why he is bringing me his computer today
[14:33] <Jucato> hahah :)
[14:33] <Jucato> just tell him not to bring a large sombrero...
[14:34] <nixternal> hehe
[14:34] <nixternal> they take enough flack from me as it is
[14:34] <nixternal> I have fun picking on them
[14:35] <nixternal> they will both probably tell you I am more Mexican than they are
[14:35] <Jucato> too bad you don't get to pick on them both this tie :)
[14:35] <nixternal> thank god, I need a break every now and then :p
[14:35] <Jucato> hahah
[14:59] <Tm_T> hi kids
[15:00] <Jucato> hi sir!
[15:25] <bddebian> Heya
[15:27] <Jucato> nixternal: ping?
[15:57]  * Hobbsee wonders why konversation is not translated.
[16:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: yeah, the -H and using .Xauthority from the executing users home seems like a solution. I'm not 100% up2date on xauth stuff, so i'm not sure if there are alternative ways to do it.. or more secure ways. but as it's root reading i don't think it makes much difference.
[16:49] <fdoving> problems will appear when one kdesudo to other users than root. users without read access to ~/.Xauthority of the executing user.
[16:49] <Riddell> fdoving: have you tested your patch with systemsetting and kcontrol?
[16:49] <fdoving> Riddell: systemsettings did work yesterday.
[16:50] <fdoving> Riddell: the changes won't really affect anything in those cases, as the modules connect to another x client via ICE.
[16:50] <fdoving> so one doesn't need to auth to X directly.
[16:51] <Riddell> groovy
[16:51] <Jucato> Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade <--- shouldn't it be "Pre-released updates" instead of "Proposed updates"?
[16:52] <fdoving> Riddell: but as i just said, once you start using 'kdesudo -u someotheruser app' you might get problems, because other non-root users won't have read access to ~/.Xauthority
[16:52] <fdoving> so the solution isn't perfect.
[16:55] <Riddell> Jucato: gar, I just changed that, did the string change between gutsy and feisty?
[16:55] <fdoving> but that didn't work earlier either. so it's nothing I introduced.
[16:55] <Jucato> Riddell: someone on feisty was looking for Proposed updates and couldn't see it
[16:55] <Jucato> but Pre-released was there instead
[16:55] <Riddell> Jucato: changed back
[16:56] <Jucato> kool! thanks! :)
[16:59] <fdoving> Riddell: what do you think about dynamically adding users to the acl with xhost +si:localuser:$sudo-to-username for each kdesudo?
[17:04] <Riddell> fdoving: rather than playing with xauthority files?
[17:04] <fdoving> Riddell: yeah.
[17:05] <Riddell> fdoving: worth a shot
[17:05] <fdoving> i'll give it a try.
[19:10] <jjesse> afternoon
[19:23] <DaSkreech> Would it be possible to have a weekly updates KDE4 repo
[19:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: saw your mai'
[19:25] <_StefanS_> mail
[19:26] <stdin> DaSkreech: it's not guaranteed that it will even build, so that'd be difficult. and the build deps are constantly changing. so possible maybe, but extremely difficult
[19:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: strange thing it works here.. and enable kdm themes is preselected.
[19:30] <DaSkreech> stdin: Oh Sorry I was thiniking after 4.0 actually
[19:31] <stdin> well, after 4.0 comes out the work on it will slow down a bit, weekly builds probably wouldn't be worth it
[19:31] <stdin> but that depends on the speed of development from the kde folks
[19:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no way to make it to work for me...
[19:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no way to aply settings, no way to chan
[19:36] <Tonio_> change them too
[19:36] <_StefanS_> well you tested it when I made the package, right?
[19:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'd say the problem is just to be able to apply, once you can do that, it should work
[19:36] <Tonio_> nope, I didn't upload so I didn't test ;)
[19:37] <_StefanS_> ah hoobsee did
[19:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maye there is a difference between the package and what you have locally
[19:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you reinstall the package and test maybe ?
[19:37] <_StefanS_> uhm I will test on a vanilla vmware image
[19:37] <_StefanS_> probably the best way, and roll back until the bug is fixed
[19:38] <Tonio_> sure
[19:38] <_StefanS_> I cant do that now, will do it tomorrow. Have to work
[19:38] <_StefanS_> sounds as an easy fix tho
[19:54] <raphink> hi guys
[20:02] <DaSkreech> stdin: Why would it slow?
[20:02] <DaSkreech> raphink: hi I was looking for you for the past few days
[20:02] <stdin> DaSkreech: slower
[20:02] <raphink> DaSkreech: what for?
[20:02] <DaSkreech> raphink: Just wondering how icthux is doing
[20:03] <raphink> it's doing... whenever I have tiime for it
[20:03] <raphink> which is sometimes hard between my work and family
[20:03] <DaSkreech> Is there a community around it ?
[20:03] <raphink> there's a tiny community
[20:04] <raphink> nothing like the Ubuntu CE community
[20:04] <raphink> I haven't done all the advertising and all
[20:04] <raphink> ;)
[20:04] <DaSkreech> Mebbe you should :-)
[20:04] <raphink> no
[20:04] <raphink> :)
[20:05] <raphink> whoever wants to help is welcome
[20:05] <raphink> that's it
[20:05] <DaSkreech> stdin: I think that there is enormous work still left for 4.0 -> 4.1
[20:05] <DaSkreech> How will they put in help with that which they do not know ?
[20:05] <raphink> right now, I'm about to make a change to kubuntu-docs
[20:05] <stdin> yeah, but it won't be as frantic as 4.0, for now they are just trying to get it to work :p
[20:05] <DaSkreech>  how will they know unless there is someone to teach them?
[20:05] <raphink> that I've been wanting to do for 2 years and never took the time to
[20:05] <raphink> :)
[20:06] <DaSkreech>  Who will go forth to teach unless they are sent ?
[20:06] <raphink> :)
[20:06] <raphink> DaSkreech: if that's for me, I'm always open to mentor people
[20:06] <DaSkreech> stdin: There are loads of stuf they are still just trying to get to work and that won't be mainline focus till 4.0 -> 4.1 as well
[20:07] <DaSkreech> raphink: The send forth was for you ;-)
[20:07] <raphink> heh
[20:07] <raphink> well I don't really know where to stand right now
[20:07] <raphink> I doon't have as much time as I used to
[20:08] <raphink> Ubuntu CE has most of the people interested in a Christian linux
[20:08] <stdin> DaSkreech: yes, but making packages every week may be pointless, it'll probably break more than it fixes until release ,1
[20:08] <raphink> I don't agree with their way to develop but they have a lot more contributors
[20:08] <raphink> and well
[20:08] <raphink> I don't feel like duplicating work
[20:08] <raphink> I have other things to do
[20:08] <jjesse> hello raphink
[20:09] <raphink> hi jjesse
[20:21] <DaSkreech> stdin: I know but it's great for testing :)
[20:22] <DaSkreech> I'm using the KDE4 Live cd and it actually is nearly usable
[20:22] <DaSkreech> std
[20:22] <stdin> DaSkreech: there's nothing to stop you joining the Launchpad Beta Testers group and making a PPA ;)
[20:22] <DaSkreech> monthly repos then. I just want timed updated available in between 4.0 and 4.1 as an option for people since we are unofficial anyway
[20:22] <DaSkreech> might as well give people a reason to choose a kde4 kubuntu
[20:25] <DaSkreech> I'm hoping that 4.1 hits before 8.10 so we can have a blowout official KDE4 release
[20:25] <stdin> I can't see that not happening
[20:25] <DaSkreech> but I think that giving people the option to track the KDE4 progress once it's fairly usable will get more interest in kubuntu
[20:25] <DaSkreech> Me either
[20:26]  * DaSkreech checks out code for twiiter to see if he can rewrite it :)
[20:27] <DaSkreech> On a totally unrelated note startupmanger looks neat :)
[20:44] <jjesse> wow ok kopete is now crashing :(
[20:46] <DaSkreech> in MSN?
[20:53] <jjesse> DaSkreech: in anything, have kopete open and not connected and it crashes
[20:53] <jjesse> DaSkreech: sign on to AIM and it crashes
[20:53] <jjesse> sign on to MSN and it crashes
[20:56] <DaSkreech> jjesse: with what reason?
[20:56] <jjesse> on the konsole i get a lot of QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range
[20:56] <jjesse> klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''.
[21:16] <DaSkreech> jjesse: This is standard gutsy?
[21:49] <jjesse> DaSkreech: yes standard 64 bit Gutsy
[21:59] <Riddell> jjesse: the kopete crash is known, a fix is in gutsy-proposed
[21:59] <DaSkreech> DOh! I just updated
[22:04] <seele> mhb: kde-fosscamp?
[22:04] <DaSkreech> hi seele
[22:06] <mhb> hi seele , what's that and what am I supposed to do?
[22:08] <mhb> seele: shouldn't that question be directed on someone else?
[22:09] <seele> troy asked if you were coming for some reason?
[22:09] <seele> (to the meeting)
[22:09] <Riddell> jjesse should
[22:09] <Riddell> jjesse: /join #kde-fosscamp
[22:10] <mhb> hmm, a secret meeting? :o)
[22:10] <mhb> too bad I can't be there in person
[22:12] <mhb> well, goodnight folks.
[22:15] <DaSkreech> Night
[22:45] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ping me when the meeting is over
[23:09] <fdoving> Riddell: i've hacked kdesudo to use xauth to automatically generate key-data for each connection, (xauth generate, man xauth for more info), it seems like the most sensible and secure solution to me. it will generate a new xauthority file with a random name, that is auto-deleted once kdesudo exits and the privileged app takes over. the session also times out if not used within 60 seconds. and the Xorg server controls that. looks cool so far. deb
[23:09] <fdoving> did that get truncated?..
[23:10] <Riddell> ".. looks cool so far. deb"
[23:10] <fdoving>  looks cool so far. debdiff -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_debdiff_ubuntu3_dynamic_xauth.diff - deb -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[23:11] <fdoving> Riddell: now it actually works with other users.. non root ones.
[23:11] <fdoving> unlike the previous kdesudo. with or without my previous changes.
[23:11] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ping?
[23:13] <DaSkreech> What will the kde package pull in on hardy ?
[23:15] <Riddell> DaSkreech: how do you mean>
[23:16] <DaSkreech> KDE4 ?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> or KDE3 ?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> At that point KDE 4.0 will be out and official
[23:16] <Dekans> kde3
[23:16] <Dekans> by default
[23:17] <Riddell> yes
[23:17] <fdoving> nite.
[23:17] <Riddell> although the meeting has put the thought of having select kde 4 modules like kde edu in main for hardy
[23:24] <DaSkreech> So kde 4.0 is totally unofficial for hardy
[23:27] <DaSkreech> Riddell: did you see my discussion earlier about a repo with monthly builds ?
[23:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I did not, but I'd like to see that happen (weekly more appropriate really)
[23:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I plan to have KDE 4 CDs for the 4.0 and following releases
[23:29] <DaSkreech> I said weekly too but stdin was objecting to that
[23:29] <DaSkreech> I know I've made that as public as I can
[23:30] <stdin> DaSkreech: I just said it would be difficult, didn't say I didn't like it
[23:30] <Dekans> an underground Kubuntu version :)
[23:30] <DaSkreech> stdin: Well I thought you were saying it wasn't worth it
[23:30] <DaSkreech> Dekans: Pretty close
[23:30] <Dekans> I mean for the KDE 4.0 CD
[23:30] <stdin> DaSkreech: I'm not sure it would, depends on how the development goes after 4.0
[23:31] <stdin> DaSkreech: I'll probably keep building from svn after release anyway
[23:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: a weekly KDE 4 archive just needs someone to script it really, checkout, add packaging, check it builds, upload to ppa
[23:33] <Dekans> it's done for e17
[23:33]  * DaSkreech misses hawkwind :(


[11:39] <njin> hallo, I'm no more cloacked, there's some problem ?
[11:39] <ninnnu> Identify to nickserv?
[11:40] <TheLordOfTime> njin, you need to remember to identify to nickserv each time you connect
[11:40] <TheLordOfTime> njin, otherwise you'll not be cloaked.
[11:40] <TheLordOfTime> njin, /msg nickserv identify [YourPasswordHere[
[11:40] <njin> looking
[11:40] <k1l> njin: freenode drops nicks after a time when they are not logged into. but that would be an freenode issue, not an ubuntu-irc issue
[11:41] <TheLordOfTime> k1l, that's not the issue, their nick is still active
[11:41] <TheLordOfTime> their issue is they didnt ID
[11:41] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[11:41] <k1l> yeah, just saw its regeistered 24 weeks ago
[11:42] <k1l> njin: just set "username:password" as the serverpassword
[12:04] <njin> hallo, my nick is registered, I was cloacked before, but now I still uncloacked
[12:07] <TheLordOfTime> njin:  we just told you what to do?
[12:08] <TheLordOfTime> njin:  identify to nickserv
[12:08] <fego> njin: the last time you were identified by services was 5 weeks back
[12:09] <fego> /msg nickserv help identify
[12:10] <njin> ok, thanks but I cannot remember the password and I broke the HD
[12:10] <TheLordOfTime> then go to #freenode and ask for a PW reset
[12:10] <TheLordOfTime> assuming you remember how to login to your emaiml
[12:29] <k1l> njin: just put your "username:password" as serverpasword to be logged-in into your accoun when connecting
[12:30] <TheLordOfTime> njin:  go edit the network you connect to.  for "Server Password" field in the network edit window on xchat, put "username:password" there.
[12:30] <TheLordOfTime> replacing "username" and "password" with the relevant information
[12:34] <njin> TheLordofTime, k1l, thanks for the help
[12:35] <njin> TheLordOfTime:^
[12:35] <TheLordOfTime> njin:  capitalization is irrelevant, i get pinged either way :)
[12:36] <njin> ok, thanks


[08:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:36] <czajkowski> dholbach: aloha :D
[08:36] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[09:21] <czajkowski> dholbach: how's things?
[09:32] <dholbach> czajkowski: I'm a bit tired and have lots of stuff going on :)
[09:32] <dholbach> czajkowski: how 'bout you?
[09:33] <czajkowski> bit late stayed in in -women last night after meeting trying to work things out for myself.
[09:34] <czajkowski> then worked on NGO stuff, and followed up on some stuff ivanka asked me to do re paper jams and NGO
[09:34] <czajkowski> we're gonna highlight one of the interviews
[09:34] <czajkowski> from apaper jam side of things
[09:34] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2009/09/28/milieudefensie-friends-of-the-earth-netherlands-ngo-interview/  this one to start with
[09:34] <dholbach> you're full of energy
[09:35] <ebel> Hard drive has started it's journey to Kenya :)
[09:35] <czajkowski> no I was full of frustration last night and dug into Ubuntu work :)
[09:35] <dholbach> ebel: nice
[09:35] <czajkowski> ebel: make sure to put all the info on the wiki please :D
[09:35] <dholbach> and blog about it :)
[09:36] <ebel> czajkowski: idea! I could introduce you to the people in Africa using ubuntu....
[09:36]  * ebel shall look at that later.
[09:36] <ebel> (for the interviews that is)
[09:38] <czajkowski> ebel: Lovely!
[09:38] <czajkowski> yes
[09:39] <czajkowski> ebel: I've also sent eoghan @ camara questions as I'd like to do an Irish interview, waiting on reply
[09:39] <czajkowski> I hope the Ngos/pacaging folks on the mailing list actually reply to my paper jams mail or I'll be rather disapointed
[09:39] <ebel> Cool cool. :)
[11:32] <adahendra> hello
[11:33] <czajkowski> adahendra: aloha
[11:35] <adahendra> in Indonesia always use Repository from DVD for updating
[11:35] <adahendra> how about offline updating we use Ubuntu DVD repository
[11:36] <adahendra> CMIIW
[11:37] <adahendra> http://kambing.ui.ac.id/iso/ubuntu-repository/
[11:37] <czajkowski> ebel: ^^^^
[11:37] <ebel> adahendra: hello.
[11:38] <ebel> adahendra: I'm doing something similar for a friend in kenya
[11:38] <ebel> But I sent a portable harddrive with ~30GB of stuff.
[11:38] <ebel> I didn't know about these DVDs, can you tell me more about it?
[11:38] <adahendra> hello
[11:40] <adahendra> many ubuntu users need updating package and install more package, but in indonesia for internet connection is expensive
[11:40] <adahendra> repository ubuntu from dvd created by fajran, he is from ubuntu-id
[11:41] <ebel> cool cool.
[11:41] <ebel> making DVDs is really cool.
[11:43] <ebel> I'd love to try that sometime, cause DVDs are much cheaper to buy and post than USB harddrives.
[11:45] <adahendra> we can build repository into dvd just using jigdo,
[11:46] <adahendra> jigdo build ubuntu repository into .iso
[11:46] <ebel> I have heard of jigdo, but never used it
[11:47] <ebel> adahendra: we have a wiki page about offline updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/NoConnectivity and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/OfflineUpdating
[11:48] <ebel> please update that (or ask someone else to). The more knowledge that's in one place the better :D
[11:48] <adahendra> ok
[11:48] <adahendra> i will update
[11:53] <czajkowski> great stuff
[11:53] <ebel> cool cool
[11:53] <ebel> I'd love to investigate how this DVD works
[11:53] <ebel> adahendra: i see there are a few DVDs there, how do you update it? Put 4 DVDs in, one after the other?
[11:59] <ebel> ah
[12:44] <Hardik> http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ I have found perfect in field, for off-line update :)
[12:44] <czajkowski> Hardik: aloha
[12:45] <Hardik> czajkowski, :) Just updated Wiki | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/OfflineUpdating
[12:48] <czajkowski> Hardik: great thanks
[13:51] <highvoltage> czajkowski: reading "paper jam" is like listening to nails on a blackboard
[13:59] <czajkowski> why ?
[13:59] <czajkowski> highvoltage: ?
[14:01] <highvoltage> czajkowski: because paper jams can be terrifying!
[14:02] <highvoltage> czajkowski: have you never had to print something for a big meeting that happens in 2 minutes and then the printer says "Paper Jam" and it doesn't want to do anything until you almost take the printer completely apart just to get the piece of paper that's stuck out?
[14:03] <czajkowski> highvoltage: yes but it's not a paper cut, it's something bigger
[14:03] <czajkowski> and across system that may not effect just NGOs
[14:08] <highvoltage> czajkowski: yeah, well otherwise it's a clever name :)
[14:09] <czajkowski> highvoltage: so would you please be nice and reply pon list with some sugggestions to get the ball rolling
[14:11] <highvoltage> czajkowski: I don't have any ideas but if you want I could make some noise to get it going :)
[14:15] <jussi01> where do I find more actual info on ubuntu NGO? I mean, where should I direct people I know (ie. a Charity strategy, planning and execution consultant)?
[14:15] <czajkowski> highvoltage: yes, our list is missing noise
[14:15] <czajkowski> and I know there are a lotta groups on it so I'm wondering why there is a lack of noiuse
[14:15] <highvoltage> czajkowski: well I just made a small reply hopefully that will put some peer pressure on others to respond :)
[14:15] <czajkowski> jussi01: have you seen the wiki page ????
[14:15] <jussi01> czajkowski: yes, but it doesnt have much info about it.
[14:16] <jussi01> its fairly sparse
[14:16] <czajkowski> jussi01: ok
[14:16] <czajkowski> jussi01: where could we improve it?
[14:17] <jussi01> the approach needs a lot more substance imho.
[14:19] <jussi01> ie. How does someone with a load of NGO knowledge and understanding, such as my friend, tell you what he needs, and you get the right information to create that?
[14:19] <czajkowski> jussi01: well I just asked for that info on the mail re paper jams
[14:20] <czajkowski> perhaps I could add it to the wiki page??
[14:20] <jussi01> I havent seen the list, not on it (yet). However, that would be a good thing imho
[14:22] <czajkowski> jussi01: ok can u join the list?
[14:22] <czajkowski> please
[14:22] <czajkowski> :)
[14:22] <czajkowski> I also had a guy from finland email me last night
[14:22] <czajkowski> about interviews
[14:22] <jussi01> I think its important that the wiki has enough information for $randomperson to understand what to do to get something out of this.
[14:22] <jussi01> anyway, home time
[14:22] <jussi01> czajkowski: ooh, cool :D
[14:23] <czajkowski> jussi01: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ngo
[14:26] <highvoltage> jussi01: /topic should give you a good selection of pages to read as well
[15:24] <czajkowski> jussi01: if you come up with other ways to make the wiki more information can you poke myself or Pendulum and we'll try and sort it, or you can update it yourself if you like


[13:56] <dalurka> I wonder if anybody might know where I can find the scripts that generate the initrd on the live iso?
[13:57] <dalurka> (I'm asking because I'm trying to pxe from a usb-c nic and the drivers are not packaged in. it works fine if I patch the initrd by hand. I can't see why those drivers should not be included by default)
[13:59] <dalurka> any pointers where to look?
[14:06] <falcojr> TheMetz: I responded to the launchpad bug, but that looks like something else on boot is preventing one of the cloud-init services from starting
[14:09] <falcojr> dalurka: that's not really a cloud-init question, but I don't know where else you should ask
[14:09] <dalurka> yea, I know.. this was the closest I could think
[14:10] <dalurka> :(
[14:25] <dalurka> asked in #ubuntu-kernel might be wrong as well :)
[14:49] <TheMetz> falcojr:  Thank you for the follow up.  It looks like 'cloud-config.service' isn't set to startup on boot.
[14:49] <TheMetz> I enabled the service and testing now.
[15:30] <akutz> Hey falcojr and blackboxsw, I just sent you both an e-mail. I normally don't text-to-alert-of-e-mail, but this is *possibly* time sensitive, so I wanted to make sure y'all saw it. Thanks!
[15:31] <falcojr> akutz: thanks, we'll take a look
[15:31] <akutz> Ack, thanks!
[16:08] <TheMetz> falcojr:  I'm still having the same issue after enabling 'cloud-config.service' in systemd.
[16:09] <falcojr> TheMetz: there's also a cloud-final.service
[16:10] <falcojr> but...those should all be enabled when cloud-init is installed
[16:10] <falcojr> or on the image
[16:10] <falcojr> if they're not and nothing has been modified, that points to an issue in the packaging
[16:12] <TheMetz> Are there any other services that should be enabled?
[16:17] <foxxx0> hi, is there any way to trigger NoCloud (without configdrive) network re-configuration without needing to reboot? I.e. the relevant V2 network config in my /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-my-network.cfg has been updated. I'm seeing "stages.py[DEBUG]: No network config applied. Neither a new instance nor datasource network update on 'System boot' event" in the log
[16:47] <falcojr> TheMetz: if cloud-init-local.service and cloud-init.service are already enabled, no, that should be the last one
[16:47] <falcojr> see https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/boot.html#
[16:48] <dalurka> falcojr: got help by xnox over there! yaay!
[16:53] <TheMetz> falcojr: That worked.  After enabling cloud-final.service it started working as expected.
[16:54] <TheMetz> Thank you for your help.
[18:13] <EugenMayer> how to find out which cloud-init version for network configuration e.g. debian bullseye generic cloud supports?
[20:21] <blackboxsw> EugenMayer:https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bullseye&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=cloud-init shows me cloud-init 20.4  is in bullseye. Readthedocs for 20.4 tells me that both network config v1 and v2 are supported on cloud-init 20.4 https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/20.4/topics/network-config.html
[20:21] <blackboxsw> not sure if I misread your question though. What problem are you trying to solve?


[08:28] <darkxst> Noskcaj, added some links to the ppa-versions page, let me know if you come across any broken ones ;)
[13:37] <mgedmin> still can't login into the iso tracker :/
[22:57] <jseliga> Is 15.04 going to be shipped with gnome-shell 3.14 or 3.16?


[00:17] <nosrednaekim> ok.... I need a some info for the compiz settings manager that we are doing.... what plugins should go in for each(there are two) effect level?
[00:26] <nosrednaekim> maybe I should put that on the mailing list?
[00:26] <nosrednaekim> or should I just use the ones from the gnome/ubuntu configurator?
[00:36] <vorian> nosrednaekim: i would think it should match the ubuntu configuration
[00:36] <vorian> I also think it should depend on ccsm
[00:36] <nosrednaekim> what do you mean "depend"?
[00:36] <vorian> utilize
[00:36] <nosrednaekim> it should pull in ccsm when you install compiz?
[00:36] <vorian> in ubuntu you have to install ccsm
[00:37] <vorian> right-o :)
[00:37] <vorian> but that's just me
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> I'll ask R1ddell
[00:39] <nosrednaekim> I think I will use the ubuntu ones though, they seem to have a pretty good mix.
[01:11] <blizzzek> gn8
[01:43] <Tonio_> crimsun_: I'm going to sleep, but I'll stay connected in case you answer in the meantime :)
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesudo kde3/kde4 are fixed, -u option now works everytime, and not randomly as before
[01:44] <crimsun_> Tonio_: sorry, not in a position to grab the patch.
[01:44] <Tonio_> crimsun_: email prefered so that you can read later ?
[01:44] <crimsun_> Tonio_: I will look ASAP and ping you
[01:44] <Tonio_> crimsun_: oki, no problem :)
[01:44] <crimsun_> err, well, no e-mail, so I'll just tell you in here.
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde3 version uploaded, kde4 released tomorrow
[01:45] <Tonio_> crimsun_: okay :)
[04:44] <ryanakca> bashoh: please fix your client
[04:44] <bashoh> ok
[05:03] <ryanakca> bashoh: why are you always quitting and rejoining?
[05:04] <bashoh> sory
[05:04] <bashoh> It is not any longer
[05:05] <bashoh> It is various channels and ..saying...
[09:04] <blizzzek> hi
[10:23] <Tonio_> hi there !
[10:24] <Riddell> Tonio_!
[10:24] <Riddell> hmm, do we really want to use a custom plasma theme?
[10:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: for hardy ? I guess no
[10:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: for hardy+1, i'd say "of course" ;)
[10:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: we probably don't want to provide a high integration/specification level on kde4 atm, right ?
[10:26] <Riddell> well, we don't want to add a load of customisations to kde 4 if we can avoid it
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KGRUBEditor?content=75442&PHPSESSID=2148199787d06b1ffd9e4fbe06c593ae
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting ;) this should be converted to a kcm module, but looks nice !
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, but well you talked about a "theme", that's not a big deal on the other hand
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I  agree we should avoid tweaking as much as we did with kde3
[10:29]  * Tonio_ prepares kdesudo-kde4 for public release
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about customisation, I'm working on the patches you imported from mandriva for xdg directories
[10:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/tmp/capture78.png
[10:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: there's a missing icon for "documents" and also the text should be first char upper imho
[10:33] <Tonio_> that's looks a bit "unfinished" atm ;)
[10:36] <Riddell> 404 - Not Found
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture78.png
[10:38] <Tonio_> sorry :)
[10:41] <Riddell> we also need to change k3b, digikam etc to use them
[10:43] <Riddell> those texts are an upstream issue by the way
[10:54] <Tonio_> upstream ?
[10:54] <Tonio_> which upstream ? those are mandriva patches no ?
[10:54] <Riddell> xdg-user-dirs is from freedesktop.org
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I doubt there is an upstream issue on that point, otherwise the folder in ~/ wouldn't be named correctly
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: aren't the patches simply not using the good "info" as name ?
[10:55] <Riddell> I assume they get the names from xdg-user-dirs
[10:56] <Riddell> although I don't know why it loses the upper case indeed
[10:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what I want to look at
[10:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: appart from that the names are perfectly correct, at least in french :)
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: about multimedia apps, that's not an easy job since the folders names are localized....
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can configure the apps within the rc file and that should probably be done in the sources directly...
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we really want this ?
[11:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-February/003356.html
[11:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm right.  what a stupid spec it is
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/we can/we can't/ ;)
[11:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: he wants to talk to upstream
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah, best is to let the users use the folders if they want it
[11:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok, will tell him
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about kdesudo-kde4, there is no messages.sh script atm
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't really know how pot extraction works with kde4 so that'll be the purpose of another release, 3.1 probably
[11:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: you could host kdesudo in KDE's svn, that would solve that problem :)
[11:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum that's done automagically then ? interesting
[11:06] <Riddell> well it's done by a nightly script
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki I'll investigate, but I really prefer to stay on bzr since we can manage upload permissions arround launchpad
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I don't wan't kde's horrible bts to become kdesudo's ;)
[11:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, my "logout freezes X" issue was another ati/fglrx shinny "feature" :'(
[11:12] <Tonio_> using radeaonhd fixes.... I can't wait for radeaonhd to provide 2D and 3D acceleration support
[11:12] <Tonio_> should happen in a few month now
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't know if you seen that, but I commited another system-config-printer-kde with a little fix
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: there was some "/home/jr" path to the code, breaking the applet
[11:17] <Riddell> perfectly good path that :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[11:19] <txwikinger> WIll the path be automatically created? ;)
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kdesudo-kde4
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know you can't wait to revu this one :)
[11:22] <Tonio_> apache|mobile: you are invited to revu this one too ;)
[11:23] <apache|mobile> Tonio_: "Homepage:" should be an entry under "Standards-Version"
[11:24] <apache|mobile> Tonio_: IMHO you should also indicate in the description that this is the KDE 4 version of kdesudo
[11:24] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I believe the KDE 4 cdbs has been updated
[11:24] <Tonio_> apache|mobile: hum right, that's old packaging in fact, and that changed....
[11:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: no COPYING.LIB file
[11:25] <Riddell> yes, that's an old kde.mk
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we need one ? there is no more admin/ folder....
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: where to get the latest ?
[11:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: kde4libs
[11:26] <Riddell> kcookie.h is LGPL
[11:26] <jpatrick> Tonio_: or kepas for a smaller package
[11:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: no COPYING.DOC
[11:27] <jpatrick> Tonio_: bug #192350 if you need an example for a freeze exception
[11:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192350 in semantik "[Feature Freeze Exception] New upstream release" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192350
[11:27] <jpatrick> see comment 7
[11:28] <Tonio_> jpatrick: thanks
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the copying.doc for ?
[11:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: the documentation licence
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't knew it was a requirement :)
[11:30] <Riddell> it's a requirement that the copying licence be included
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum isn't that the COPYING file ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> AHHHHHHHHHHHH oki ;)
[11:31] <Tonio_> stupid of me, of course, that's needed
[11:31] <Tonio_> we're on sunday, that may explain........ ;)
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell, apache|mobile: update in revu in a few minutes, I'll ping you
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell, apache|mobile : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kdesudo-kde4
[11:49] <Riddell> kdesudo-3.0/kdesudo/.deps/
[11:49] <Riddell> kdesudo-3.0/kdesudo/.libs/
[11:50] <Tonio_> argh, those stupid hidden files.....
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: right
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: debian/copyright should also mention the LGPL
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: that also changed ? there was a fight on revu about that ;)
[11:53] <Riddell> it's not essential (LGPL can be upgraded to GPL) but it good practice to list all the licences
[11:54] <Riddell> what happened in the fight on revu?
[11:56] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: it was decided that not all the licences needed to be mentionned as long as the files concerned where comming from other projects (like the kde admin/ folder)
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: but now kcookie files are directly in the source, so I guess you are riht
[11:59] <Tonio_> right
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already uploaded on revu with the fix
[11:59] <Riddell> I wonder if anyone asked the archive admins
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did
[11:59] <Riddell> I don't remember that :)
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: you were saying "I doubt we get any benefit having a stricted NEW policy than debian" ;)
[12:01] <Tonio_> stricter
[12:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: interesting specs
[12:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: interesting good?
[12:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes
[12:06] <Riddell> phew
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a few specs to add to, as for example, porting guidance and all pyqt4 devs we did to pykde4
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's a hudge work I suspect
[12:10] <iRon> Riddell: "...How to add policykit use to kcontrol modules?" I'm working on this now ;-)
[12:13] <Riddell> iRon: I've seen Frerich Raabe raabe@ kde.org talk about it too, you might want to e-mail him and see what's happening
[12:13] <fftb> hi there
[12:13] <Riddell> fftb!
[12:14] <fftb> it'll be a little bit OT, but has somebody a .ui file for KMainWindow which I can put in my ~/.designer/templates/ directory?
[12:15] <Riddell> not I
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for bugging you again, but the kdesudo-kde4 should be okay this time :) once approved I'll write the FFe
[12:17] <fftb> I try to uic.loadUi("some.ui") with PyKDE4, but somehow my own KMainWindow template is messed up
[12:19] <Riddell> fftb: you'd need to show us your code
[12:19] <fftb> Riddel: uhh
[12:20] <fftb> i am afraid, it's really awkward :/
[12:23] <fftb> hmm, i write a new template from scratch and try to keep track of what happens
[12:23] <fftb> thx, anyway
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: advocated
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: super thanks
[12:25] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yes, upload
[12:26] <Tonio_> oki
[12:26] <Riddell> mornfall: libwibble synced, libept merged (has a gcc 4.3 patch diff, debian bug 455334)
[12:26] <ubotu> Debian bug 455334 in libept "FTBFS with GCC 4.3: missing #includes" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/455334
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I ping you for FFe ? you're archive admin right ?
[12:26] <mornfall> Riddell: Thanks.
[12:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: I am, dunno how the motu feel about me approving that
[12:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: however I approve it :)
[12:28] <jpatrick> "* Ridell is happy with this, who should know best"
[12:28] <Tonio_> well kdesu is broken, so kdesudo is a requirement, in any case
[12:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: can I get access in #kubuntu-offtopic?
[12:31] <stdin> sometimes it seems like Tm_T is the only -offtopic op
[12:32] <jpatrick> damn
[12:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: I don't have op granting powers there, and there's no staffers on duty to give them to me
[12:39] <jpatrick> shame, we have a troll in there
[12:39] <Riddell> jpatrick: oped
[12:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: thanks
[12:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: poke nalioth and get him to up my powers there so i can give you proper channel privilages
[12:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: will do
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 192622
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192622 in kdesudo "[Feature Freeze Exception]New upstream release (kde4 port)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192622
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: we can probably just put this directly into main since it's from the same codebase as the one alreay in main
[12:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: so no asking motu for FFe, just upload it and I'll let it through
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: you decide on that point :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: also you can add it to the kubuntu-kde4.hardy seed and update the meta package
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded, I'll change the seeds this afternoon
[12:53] <stdin> Riddell: I just -o you in #k, I didn't notice but you've been +o since friday ;)
[12:54] <Riddell> stdin: it makes me feel important :)
[12:55] <stdin> you don't need +o to be important to us :)
[12:55] <apachelogger> txwikinger: maybe we should use tags for upstream report tracking?
[12:56] <apachelogger> needs-upstream-report -> upstream-report
[12:56] <txwikinger> well upstream as a tag?
[12:56] <txwikinger> Ah ok
[12:56] <txwikinger> yes .. I think this is a good idea
[12:56]  * apachelogger goes for it
[12:56] <txwikinger> needs-sync when upstream is fixed?
[12:57] <apachelogger> needs-upstream-sync
[12:57] <txwikinger> We need to write that down somewhere
[12:57] <stdin> apachelogger: I forget, did you apply the kdm-kde4 patch yet?
[12:57] <apachelogger> stdin: nope, ubuntuwire is down :P
[12:58]  * apachelogger should do it with the amarok server, got better uprate anyway
[12:58] <Tonio_> I have a little question regarding launchpad
[12:58] <Tonio_> how can I had the official tarball in there : https://edge.launchpad.net/kdesudo/+download
[12:58] <Tonio_> I can't seem to find the option to upload it
[12:59] <stdin> which also reminds me, Riddell: http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/kdebase_3.5.8-2ubuntu21.debdiff is the kde3 patch for kdebase to allow choosing between kdm-kde4 and kdm again
[13:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you will have to link it IIRC
[13:00] <Tonio_> apachehow so ?
[13:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: means I can't get the tarball stored on launchpad ?
[13:01] <stdin> Tonio_: you have to register a series and a release, then add it to that I think
[13:01] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yes
[13:01] <apachelogger> just follow what stdin told you :)
[13:01] <apachelogger> Upload
[13:01] <apachelogger>  You may upload files up to 60.0 MiB in size.
[13:07] <Riddell> stdin: I'll upload that now as part of 3.5.9
[13:07] <stdin> makes sense :)
[13:08] <Riddell> stdin: want to make a PPA for 3.5.9?
[13:09] <stdin> yeah, I'll register a team for it
[13:11] <Tonio_> stdin: do you know how to delete a series ?
[13:11] <apachelogger> txwikinger: needs-upstream-report -> upstream -> needs-upstream-sync?
[13:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think of these tag names for upstream bugs?
[13:11] <txwikinger> apachelogger: yes
[13:12] <stdin> Tonio_: I don't think you can
[13:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't know what they mean
[13:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, if a bug needs a forward to upstream we tag it needs-upstream-report if it is reported the tag gets changed to upstream and if upstream fixed it but ubuntu version doesn't include it yet, the tag gets changed to need-upstram-sync
[13:14] <Tonio_> stdin: :/
[13:14] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you could probably file a wish
[13:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: probably best discussed with the bug squad
[13:14] <stdin> you'll have to go through an LP admin probably
[13:14] <apachelogger> true
[13:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki, will try ;)
[13:14]  * apachelogger sends txwikinger to discuss with the bug squad
[13:14] <apachelogger> :P
[13:15] <txwikinger> apachelogger: well you want that in general, or for kde stuff?
[13:16] <apachelogger> txwikinger: just kde, though it might make sense for others as well
[13:16] <apachelogger> I imagine ubuntu also has quite some upstream bugs :)
[13:16] <txwikinger> well, I think we can put it on the wiki-page for the kde project
[13:17] <txwikinger> If we want to extend that to other things I can discuss it with the bug squaddies
[13:17] <apachelogger> ok
[13:17] <txwikinger> I remember there is a wiki-page that lists tags
[13:17] <txwikinger> let me look for it
[13:18]  * apachelogger notes that LP should have an autoclean feature for tags
[13:18] <apachelogger> there are like 30000000 of them
[13:18] <apachelogger> and approx 90% are kinda pointless
[13:18] <apachelogger> fail vs. faild vs. failed. vs. fails vs. failure
[13:19] <txwikinger> yes that is  an issue of flexibility vs. guidance
[13:20] <txwikinger> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[13:20] <txwikinger> I can add a kubuntu section
[13:20] <apachelogger> txwikinger: please :)
[13:21] <txwikinger> ok
[13:26] <txwikinger> apachelogger: How does this look like? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[13:27] <apachelogger> txwikinger: nice, thanks
[13:28] <txwikinger> That makes searches a lot easier!
[13:28] <apachelogger> oh yeah
[13:28] <apachelogger> txwikinger: I guess we can drop using the kde4 tag then, since it was basically used for that anyway
[13:29] <txwikinger> well.. I tagged all stuff that looked like specifically kde4 bugs
[13:29] <txwikinger> I think that still makes sense
[13:29] <txwikinger> Until we get rid of KDE3
[13:29] <apachelogger> ok
[13:33] <stdin> woo! I just got my first @ubuntu.com spam email :p
[13:33] <jpatrick> you're joking
[13:34] <stdin> Subject: enumerators
[13:34] <stdin> and it's about viagra or course
[13:35] <jpatrick> I get tons of spam from my @kubuntu.org and @... everyday
[13:36] <stdin> I meant to my @ubuntu.com, not from an @ubuntu.com
[13:36] <jpatrick> yeah, from redirect*
[13:36] <Riddell> stdin: 3.5.9 uploading now http://paste.ubuntu.com/4682/
[13:36] <Riddell> ScottK: if you want to put it into -backports ^^
[13:37]  * stdin get's downloading
[13:37] <Tonio_> stdin: thanks for the tip about launchpad, that helped a lot :)
[13:38] <stdin> LP is an odd thing to try to figure out, I only know some things through messing about with it when I'm bored ;)
[14:09] <Tonio__> I don't know what to think about that bug : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/172438
[14:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172438 in kdesudo "Wish: kdesudo2: A Convenient Hybrid Dialog" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[14:09] <Tonio__> is it a joke ?
[14:10] <Lure> nice, 3.5.9 going into hardy...
[14:10] <Lure> hi Tonio_ and others
[14:10] <Tonio_> hey Lure !
[14:10] <jpatrick> ...
[14:11] <Riddell> Lure: please do try kdepim once it compiles
[14:11] <Lure> Riddell: sure I will ;-)
[14:11] <jpatrick> Tonio_: failed to parse bug report
[14:11]  * Riddell watches kosovo
[14:11] <Lure> Riddell: from balcony? ;-)
[14:13] <Tonio_> jpatrick: failed to parse ?
[14:13] <jpatrick> Tonio_: understnd
[14:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I don't understand why a "ok" is a real problem for the dialog....... it has never been for any dialog, not gksudo, not kdesu, but here, we are in front of a major bug...... I wonder what to do.....
[14:14] <Tonio_> won't fix ?
[14:14] <Lure> Riddell: do we have FF exception for kde 4.0.x releases? we should somehow get to ScottK's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StandingFeatureFreeze page
[14:15] <Lure> would make life easier for apacheloger and stdin
[14:16] <jpatrick> Tonio_: if it doesn't affect gksudo, yeah
[14:16] <Lure> any firefox user in kde4 around?
[14:16] <Tonio_> kwwii: ping ?
[14:20] <Nightrose> Lure: me
[14:21] <Riddell> Lure: no but we should be able to get one
[14:25] <Lure> Nightrose: does it look ugly in kde4? it seems no nice gtk-qt integration anymore...
[14:25] <Lure> Riddell: ok, btw - kde4 will move to main in hardy?
[14:25] <Nightrose> Lure: well yes somehow :) - I can get you a screenie if you want
[14:26] <smarter> Lure: gtk-qt4 engine: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~ruphy/gtk-qt4-engine/
[14:28] <Lure> smarter: cool, need to look into this
[14:29] <Riddell> Lure: no
[14:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: have an idea how does a kpassword get its caption ?
[14:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like it inhérits it from the parent process, but what if there isn't any ?
[14:32] <Riddell> kpassword?
[14:36] <tseliot> hi, I would like to use Adept to install packages from an application I'm writing in Python (pyqt4)
[14:36] <Tonio_> kpassworddialog, I would like to add a little icon to it
[14:36] <tseliot> would this be the right command?
[14:36] <tseliot> kdesu /usr/bin/adept_batch install name_of_the_package
[14:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=72106&file1=72106-1.png&file2=72106-2.png&file3=&name=KdeSudo
[14:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you can see, kdesudo doesn't have one, and I can't find how to...
[14:39] <Riddell> tseliot: yes that's right
[14:39] <tseliot> Riddell: thanks
[14:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't understand what you're asking
[14:42] <Tonio_> just find out what I need :)
[14:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just want an icon on the top left ;)
[15:22]  * ryanakca wonders if he can get a copy of the current ubuntu.com drupal theme
[15:23] <jpatrick> you can
[15:24] <jpatrick> erm, it's on wiki.u.c somewhere
[15:27] <ryanakca> jpatrick: haha, bzr checkout http://www.ubuntu.com/themes/ubuntu07/    :)
[15:27] <jpatrick> ryanakca: it's ugly anyway
[15:27] <ryanakca> (not that we're supposed to know about that by the looks of it... nothing on the wiki)
[15:28] <ryanakca> jpatrick: yeah... but I think its easier to start from scratch based on that than try to work my way back from what I had (massive cleanup) or start completely from scratch
[16:00] <stdin> Riddell: did you notice that kdemultimedia-dbg has 2 Depends: lines?
[16:49] <stdin> Riddell: graphviz is now in universe, kdelibs can't have a Build-Depends-Indep on it :/
[16:52] <Riddell> stdin: ah, I wondered what the problem was with that
[16:52] <Riddell> stdin: do you know why it moved?
[16:53] <stdin> nope
[16:56] <stdin> I'm not sure why it's not in main tbh, it's maintainer is Ubuntu Core developers
[17:01] <stdin> I don't see any of it's build-deps in universe either
[17:01]  * stdin shrugs
[18:37] <fftb> uhm, is here the right place to ask some questions about PyKDE4 und puic4?
[18:38] <fftb> or can someone point me to a better location
[19:19] <Riddell> fftb: good as anywhere
[19:23] <fftb> Riddel: :) okay
[19:24] <fftb> there is a tool in python-kde5-dev package called pykdeuic4
[19:24] <fftb> i use it as a replacement for pyuic4
[19:25] <fftb> but, when i dont want to compile my .ui files i use ui.loadUi() from PyQt4
[19:26] <fftb> which dont understands pykde... my question: is there a pykde4 equivalent for the loadUi() method in pykde?
[19:28] <fftb> another thing is, even the pykdeuic4 script constructs stuff like "from kmainwindow import kmainwindow" which is wrong
[19:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: do you think Matt / Canonical would mind if I based myself off the ubuntu07 source? (the source/theme for the current ubuntu.com ... quicker than starting from scratch)
[19:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: My suggestion would be read the license and act accordingly.
[19:30] <fftb> i am kinda stucked in the "qt-designer ==> generate .ui ==> use .ui" workflow in PyKDE4, dont know where to start
[19:30] <ryanakca> ScottK: no licence :(
[19:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: that's fine
[19:31] <ScottK> ryanakca: Then I think the question would be better phrased as would they add one.
[19:31] <nosrednaekim> fftb » yeah, I found kde4 widgets don't translate correctly from the .ui to the .py
[19:32] <Riddell> fftb: looks like we don't know, you'd need to ask on the pyqt mailing list
[19:32] <Riddell> fftb: pykde 4 is very underused and underdocumented
[19:32] <Riddell> fftb: so once you find out how it all works, please do write some tutorials on techbase :)
[19:33] <fftb> :)
[19:33] <fftb> yeah, i had such an idea today
[19:34] <jpatrick> ryanakca: yeah, there was a note about the license on the wiki
[19:34] <fftb> there is indeed really a need for docs and tool-shaping
[19:35] <fftb> thanks guys
[19:37] <ryanakca> jpatrick: on wiki.ubuntu.com ? I couldn't find it. I did however find a message from a few years back about giving out the theme when they migrated from moinmoin to drupal
[19:38] <ryanakca> ok, last year, my bad :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-March/001196.html
[19:41] <ryanakca> jpatrick: sorry, my bad, found it. "This theme has restrictions on how it can be used: See the README.txt for instructions and details. To summarize, anyone can use this theme but unless you have an official affiliation with Canonical or Ubuntu.com that permits you to have a site that looks like the Ubuntu website, then you must change the look of this theme so that there is no confusion or suggestion that your site has some official ...
[19:41] <ryanakca> ... relationship."
[19:41] <ryanakca> ScottK: ^^
[19:41] <ryanakca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates
[19:42] <stdin> Riddell: does kdepim really need libgpg-error-dev (>= 1.4-2ubuntu7) or will 1.4-2ubuntu1 do ?
[19:42] <jpatrick> ryanakca: bingo, you found it
[20:47] <_StefanS_> evening :)
[20:49] <jpatrick> evening _StefanS_
[20:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, thanks for getting those patches done :)
[20:49] <_StefanS_> hey jpatrick
[20:50] <_StefanS_> anything happening ?
[20:51] <jpatrick> nah, I think us europeans are getting ready for bed
[21:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Do we want sip4-qt3 4.7.4? http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/sip/chlog.php
[21:40] <Riddell> stdin: probably the older version will do
[21:40] <Riddell> ScottK: depends if it breaks anything :)
[21:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Yeah, so I'll defer to your judgement on that.
[21:43] <ScottK> Personally, I'd be inclined to go for it this soon after FF, but won't unless you think it's a good idea.
[22:19] <jpatrick> Riddell: you now have boosted access in #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:40] <blueyed> What does KDE3 call for hibernation?
[22:40] <smarter> blueyed: /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh I think
[22:40] <blueyed> And KDE4?
[22:41] <smarter>  /dev/null (:
[22:41] <blueyed> KDE3 worked fine, KDE4 does nothing.. ah.. :)
[22:41] <smarter> does not work too here
[22:41] <blueyed> really? Where gets it called? Or should get called?
[22:42] <smarter> really what?
[22:42] <blueyed>  /dev/null
[22:42] <smarter> that was a joke :)
[22:43] <smarter>  /dev/null is an empty file
[22:43] <blueyed> yeah, but would be easier for search and replace.. ;)
[22:43] <blueyed> I was just looking at bug 192759 - LP ate my comment though..
[22:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192759 in ubuntu "kde resume from suspend & resume.d scripts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192759
[22:43] <blizzzek> gn8
[22:44] <blueyed> well, yeah, comment was still available when going back in Konqueror.. \o/
[23:27] <cheguevara> mmm
[23:27] <cheguevara> http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot5uz8.png
[23:53] <cheguevara> hmm okular-kde4 doesnt install


 Successfully built (artful/compiz)
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2892 Failed to build (artful/nux). Needs rebuild due to new commits (artful/unity). Successfully built (artful/compiz)
[21:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2848 Release pocket


[14:39] <mup> Bug #1707216 opened: MAAS should allow recognizing enlisting nodes by BMC credentials rather than just MAC <cdo-qa> <cpe> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707216>
[15:15] <mup> Bug #1707218 opened: Unable to Deploy PowerEdge R730xd Server <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707218>
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1699555 changed: [Test] Bug to test new jenkins lander bug resolver <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699555>
[17:21] <mup> Bug #1707253 opened: pxe boot fails with http enabled <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707253>
[19:34] <danielsouzasp> Hello guys, I have a doubt about network configuration for nodes
[19:35] <danielsouzasp> I'm using a custom config, it works fine for Ubuntu, but does not work for CentOS 6
[19:35] <danielsouzasp> I'm facing this Error:Custom network configuration only supported on Ubuntu. Using OS default configuration.
[19:51] <danielsouzasp> Did someone face this problem already?


[17:15] <ada_> debug
[17:20] <ada_> Hi I get an error when executing 'quickly edit' -> 'OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory' do you know a solution?
[17:28] <commandoline> ada_: never used quickly, but one guess: are you in the right directory?
[17:29] <commandoline> (or more correctly, never used quickly to build an app)
[17:31] <ada_> yes location is correct
[17:31] <ada_> how do you do?
[17:43] <ada_> okay guess i understand the hint thx ;-) solved