[06:49] <cosco> what can I do?
[06:49] <bubba__> anyone here using irssi-text for irc ?
[06:49] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you will probably need to have created a database and users with the correct rights etc in mysql. You might whant to find phpmysql to do that for you.
[06:49] <IBOIC> ubuntu = best linux distro for 2004 by arstechnica
[06:49] <dud> Stew2, i dunno... you'd get all the latest and greatest software generally
[06:50] <pybe-lappy> cosco: sudo passwd
[06:50] <bubba__> IBOIC: no way
[06:50] <Stew2> cosco: sudo passwd root
[06:50] <dud> hmm, how would i go about checking if my dvd burner is using dma mode?
[06:50] <dud> thats faster isnt it?
[06:50] <dud> perhaps thats whats slowing it down...
[06:50] <sladen> bubba__: three times
[06:50] <cosco> ok
[06:50] <cosco> thanks
[06:50] <cosco> let's see
[06:51] <pybe-lappy> dud: i have had weird results with differnt media on different burners
[06:51] <bubba__> dud: hdparm -i /dev/dvd
[06:51] <dud> hmm, ill try these other dvd disc i bought today a bit later
[06:51] <htrfcee> is hoary in a stable it could be used even relatively stable, yet? i'm completely new to ubuntu, and there's a few packages with which i'm not very happy (too old versions) that would be available in hoary and not warty
[06:52] <dud> using udma2
[06:52] <pybe-lappy> dud: i actually have some x4 which i get 3.8 on and some x8 which get a max of 2.3
[06:52] <kent> htrfcee, like what packages?
[06:53] <dud> pybe-lappy, perhaps the discs are just shite
[06:53] <dud> crap ass cheap unlabelled discs heh
[06:53] <cosco> it still doesnt work ( same error with mysql ) , i configured config.php  , do i need to configure mysql somehow ? pybe-lappy ?
[06:53] <dud> im such a cheap skate ;O
[06:53] <pybe-lappy> htrfcee: might want to look at back-ports http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[06:53] <bretzel> randabis-wireles: I'm just gonna add the patch manualy -- > How you do it ?
[06:53] <mz2> this far i've come across with inkscape, gimp, firefox and umbrello that are too old for my taste :)
[06:53] <dud> i bought 50 ePerformance discs today,,, they're suppose to go all the way to 12x with this drive
[06:53] <Stew2> What's the command to run after using "Users and Groups" to change the username of the only user on Ubuntu? Last time I did this I couldn't log in. Is there a shell command to change the name of the user home folder to match?
[06:54] <dud> they're verified as 8x max...
[06:54] <cosco> brb - eating
[06:54] <pybe-lappy> cosco: there will some install docs that tell you a whole lot more than you pasted just now
[06:54] <IBOIC> my parents are getting fiber to the home tomorrow
[06:54] <IBOIC> Im so jealous
[06:54] <IBOIC> damn verizon
[06:54] <dud> IBOIC, where?
[06:54] <dud> country i mean...
[06:54] <IBOIC> usa
[06:54] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you there still
[06:55] <dud> eh, fiber from verizon... must cost a fortune
[06:55] <randabis-wireles> download the patch for our kernel, then copy it to your kernel source
[06:55] <dud> pybe-lappy, (cosco): brb - eating
[06:55] <pybe-lappy> heh the docs are there on his server http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/Install.txt
[06:55] <kent> mz2, that page about backports seems good. try it.
[06:55] <randabis-wireles> then patch -p1 < patch.diff
[06:56] <mz2> pybe-lappy, oh ok, cool! thanks
[06:56] <yohann> bonjour
[06:56] <yohann> hello
[06:56] <pybe-lappy> mz2: huh?
[06:57] <yohann> french english here???
[06:57] <mz2> pybe-lappy, thx for the backports link u sent (sorry, a slightly confusing nick change :)
[06:57] <pybe-lappy> mz2: ahh
[06:58] <pybe-lappy> mz2: np
[06:58] <yohann> he ben ca parle pas beaucoup ici
[06:59] <pybe-lappy> yohann: #ubuntu-fr
[06:59] <Guardiann> :)
[06:59] <yohann> ok
[06:59] <yohann> merci
[06:59] <pybe-lappy> =)
[06:59] <bretzel> ah but I have no time for this now I have my children to feed :-) I will try it later
[06:59] <yohann> alors on discute que ubuntu ICI?
[07:00] <bretzel> yohann: Essaie #ubuntu-fr ce channel est en anglais :-)
[07:00] <yohann> ok
[07:00] <bretzel> yohann: Bien sure que c Ubuntu !
[07:01] <pybe-lappy> yohann: nous discutons l'alot de l'ubuntu de choses ici la plupart du temps cependant.
[07:01] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: Hahaha! Your french is funny :-)
[07:01] <yohann> ok c'est bon je suis pass sur le francais merci
[07:01] <GFXstyLER> how can i accsess another pc in a network?
[07:01] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: google translator =)
[07:02] <GFXstyLER> i dont know how to do it
[07:02] <klaym> il n'y a pas beaucoup des gens ici <- is that right?
[07:02] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: Hahahaha! I went to try one web base translator I can't imagine the funnny stuff I read in results!!!!! I was pissing
[07:03] <kezz> no there's 293
[07:03] <klaym> yea but linguistically
[07:03] <aracataca> heelo, gxine wont play the sound of a quicktime-movie (.mov), what should i do?
[07:03] <kezz> yeah looks rite
[07:03] <klaym> ok
[07:03] <bretzel> klaym: It is perfect
[07:03] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: it translates directly with out any thought of grammer or scentance organisation. Can be usefull though
[07:04] <huhmz> Hello. Since i changed apt sources to hoary and ran dist-upgrade my pipe key has stopped working on the keyboard. All other keys work correctly (swedish keyboard). How do i fix this?
[07:04] <klaym> bretzel: great. I wondered whether the negation was formed correctly.
[07:04] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: The google translator ? maybe but all the words are scrambled in order
[07:04] <dud> try setxkbmap se
[07:04] <pybe-lappy> have fun ubuntuers - beer and a curry are calling @ home
[07:04] <dud> huhmz, that is...
[07:05] <bretzel> ciao pybe-lappy
[07:05] <pybe-lappy> see ya
[07:05] <huhmz> dud: didnt work
[07:05] <huhmz> dud: the keymap is already set to se
[07:05] <dud> huhmz, does the key work at all then?
[07:05] <dud> spilt some coffee or something lately? heh
[07:05] <huhmz> no the key doesnt seem to work at all
[07:06] <huhmz> im pretty sure its the dist-upgrades fault
[07:06] <dud> dropped some crumbles on it perhaps
[07:06] <bretzel> ok I am gone me too :-) see you
[07:07] <dud> with dist-upgrade, ive experienced that your ubuntu might act up, but its fine after a reboot
[07:07] <aracataca> no ideas how to set my gxine to play quicktime-movies?
[07:07] <dud> tried rebooting?
[07:07] <dud> aracataca, download the quicktime codec...
[07:07] <huhmz> guess thats next
[07:07] <huhmz> bye then
[07:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> does anyone knows how do I activate auto-completation in kdev3?
[07:07] <dud> cya
[07:07] <aracataca> yeah, and how do that?
[07:08] <MeAndU> how do i export NFS, I have this entry in /etc/export "/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare <IP_ADDRESS>(rw,no_root_squash)"
[07:08] <ycco> pybe: you see this? http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[07:08] <dablitz> hey can someone help me out, I am trying to find and play some desent games on my system
[07:09] <dud> aracataca, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-25783.html
[07:09] <dud> try following that guide
[07:09] <dud> that was the first hit when searching for "ubuntu quicktime howto" on google btw :P
[07:09] <Vaportrail> aracataca did you follow the howtos on ubuntuguide.org?
[07:09] <dud> google is your friend
[07:10] <MeAndU> ount -t nfs -o rw,nolock <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare
[07:10] <MeAndU> Can't find <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare in /etc/fstab
[07:11] <MeAndU> do i have to add it to fstab
[07:11] <ycco> dud: Googles not liking me with my issue:  http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[07:11] <ycco> probably too broad.
[07:11] <smo> MeAndU: or specify a mountpoint.  there you've told it what to mount, but not where to mount it
[07:12] <aracataca> dud: checked your site, couldn't find the howto for gxine, but ill work it out
[07:13] <Stew2> Can someone please type directions on how to upgrade to hoary. I saw a reference to upgrading from Sarge in the wiki, and it didn't seem complete.
[07:13] <MeAndU> mount: Mounting <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare on /var/mnt failed: Invalid argument
[07:13] <aracataca> vapor: yeah, but couldn't find it for gxine either
[07:13] <aracataca> but i'll go to work now  ;)
[07:13] <Vaportrail> hf :)
[07:14] <zenrox> how do i mount isos ?
[07:14] <ions> do more repositories need to be added before you can install flash-player-mozilla?
[07:14] <Vaportrail> aracataca: I did most of the howtos on this page and it works, i donnu which did it :P
[07:14] <jeffreyb> Anyone know how I can mount loop device? Got this error: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[07:15] <Vaportrail> ions, just go on a flash page and klick install plugin would do it, too
[07:15] <ions> trying to do it remotely via ssh
[07:15] <MeAndU> smo: mount: Mounting <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare on /var/mnt failed: Invalid argument any help
[07:15] <Vaportrail> ah k
[07:15] <ions> I suppose I can get out of my chair and go to the other room ;)
[07:15] <Vaportrail> lol
[07:16] <trukulo> anyone using pbuilder on ubuntu?
[07:16] <siretart> trukulo: ocasionally, yes
[07:16] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  you got to install crypto loop
[07:16] <dablitz> does anyone know of any good games that run on ubuntu
[07:16] <trukulo> siretart: have you tried to mount a sid pbuilder?
[07:16] <ions> any of you guys using Foldingathome?  How do you get it to autostart?
[07:16] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  and how are you running the command
[07:16] <jeffreyb> zenrox: Thanks - will do.
[07:16] <trukulo> i have errors with passwd and lilo packages
[07:16] <dablitz> and where I might find them
[07:17] <siretart> trukulo: no, I used hoary's pbuilder
[07:17] <jeffreyb> zenrox: I'm trying to run Mindi/Mondo Rescue... I get the error running Mindi.
[07:17] <trukulo> siretart: umm, ok, thanks anyway
[07:17] <lamont> trukulo: I know I'm using sbuild on ubuntu, quite a bit...
[07:17] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base .. i cant open the config.php with my browser.
[07:17] <siretart> dablitz: tuxracer, bzflag, kobo-deluxe, xpilots, tetrinet, cube
[07:17] <jeffreyb> zenrox:Creating data disk #1...mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[07:17] <jeffreyb> Fatal error. Can't loopmount /tmp/tmp.LZU9u1/mindilinux/9721/mountpoint.9721; does your kernel support loopfs?
[07:18] <lamont> jeffreyb: modprobe loop
[07:18] <siretart> dablitz: more free games? perhaps some comercial ones? ;)
[07:18] <lamont> modprobe cryptoloop
[07:18] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  not why just how casue i fergot how to mount a iso ?
[07:18] <jeffreyb> zenrix: That's the error msg.
[07:18] <lamont> siretart: there are many games in universe
[07:18] <dablitz> thanks sire
[07:18] <Khantozavri> Hi everyone... anybody here?
[07:18] <Vaportrail> no, nobody
[07:18] <siretart> lamont: jupp. Great games. :)
[07:18] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  modprobe cryptoloop
[07:18] <trukulo> lamont: don't know sbuild, i like pbuilder cause is what debian maintainer guide recommends
[07:19] <Khantozavri> Hey, guys, I need some help, anyone available?
[07:19] <neenee> there are people here
[07:19] <Vaportrail> Khantozavri just ask
[07:19] <neenee> i suggest you just ask your question
[07:19] <Khantozavri> I don't see unicode text in my language....
[07:19] <lamont> trukulo: never used pbuilder...
[07:19] <Khantozavri> thanks....
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount -t nfs -o rw,nolock <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare /var/mnt
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount: Mounting <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare on /var/mnt failed: Invalid argument
[07:20] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:20] <lamont> trukulo: all the buildd's use sbuild, so that's what I learned and use
[07:20] <trukulo> umm, interesting
[07:20] <trukulo> what are the differences with pbuilder?
[07:20] <Vaportrail> Khantozavri: /charset utf-8
[07:20] <Khantozavri> I've istalled my language keyboard layout (georgian latin), and it doesnt tipe even (but shows symbol codes u2033, for istead)
[07:20] <Khantozavri> in console, I guess?....
[07:21] <Vaportrail> oh no, forget it
[07:21] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:21] <Vaportrail> i thought u ment irc
[07:21] <jeffreyb> zenrox and lamont: That worked - Thanks!
[07:21] <Ensiferum> hmm. anyone know how to solve the problem of not having any identified cd-rom drives. i have the links in / for cdrom(s). but i dont have the actual devices. I guess i have to use makedev, but how exactly?
[07:21] <trukulo> Ensiferum: look in /dev
[07:21] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:21] <Ensiferum> trukulo: what there?
[07:22] <trukulo> Ensiferum: devices, that's where makedev make devices
[07:22] <trukulo> look for hdc , or hdd, or what you have
[07:22] <Ensiferum> trukulo: i know. i just dont have the devices there. thats the problem
[07:22] <Vaportrail> Khantozavri, I m not ur man, dunno how
[07:22] <trukulo> in /dev ?
[07:22] <Ensiferum> yeah
[07:22] <trukulo> what device is your cdrom ?
[07:23] <Ensiferum> supposed to be /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd
[07:23] <trukulo> try ls -lh /dev/hdc
[07:23] <Ensiferum> no such file
[07:23] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:23] <trukulo> ugh, that's bad
[07:23] <trukulo> so youre right, you need makedev
[07:23] <Ensiferum> yes, i know
[07:23] <Ensiferum> but _how_ exactly
[07:23] <Ensiferum> :p
[07:24] <trukulo> it's a clean install ?
[07:24] <Ensiferum> yeah
[07:24] <trukulo> with warty?
[07:24] <Ensiferum> however i had some major problem with sata drives/cd-roms
[07:24] <Ensiferum> warty yep
[07:24] <neofeed> I need some lowlevel help.  I'd like to map the `win' button to that. I think it should be possible anyone wnat to help me?
[07:25] <Ensiferum> neofeed: xmodmap might help
[07:25] <Ensiferum> neofeed: and xev
[07:25] <jblack> Guys, ubuntu is frigging awesome
[07:26] <Khantozavri> is there a way to install support for unicode, or it is already there?
[07:26] <sensebend> indeed jblack :)
[07:26] <jblack> In all sense of fairness, that's a dogfood comment.
[07:27] <neofeed> Ensiferum, k it's keycode 115
[07:27] <neofeed> Ensiferum, and I guess I want to map it to 94
[07:28] <ycco> bob2: around?
[07:28] <Ensiferum> neofeed: sorry, can help you more. it was just a push to _some_ direction :)
[07:28] <Ensiferum> can't
[07:29] <bencov> hi! I would like to try Ubuntu but before is Ubuntu stable/unstable using glibc2.3.2?
[07:29] <neofeed> Ensiferum, can You image how much it sucks to debug stuff withought the <,>,| symbols?
[07:29] <Ensiferum>  debug?
[07:30] <neofeed> Ensiferum, well stuff liek xmodmap -pk |less
[07:30] <randabis> grr
[07:30] <dud> Version: 2.3.2.ds1-19ubuntu4 on hoary bencov
[07:31] <randabis> I'm getting an error when extracting the new linux 2.6.10 kernel
[07:31] <bencov> dud: Thank you very much
[07:31] <bretzel> randabis: Still on working for fb ?
[07:32] <jeffreyb> Any problems with installing VMware 4.5.2 on Warty? I've been reading forum and Ubuntu howto... seems OK but wanted some other opinions/ideas.
[07:32] <dud> heh, after burning a dvd movie with growisofs, totem tried to auto start
[07:32] <randabis> yeah
[07:32] <dud> weird having totem suddenly starting...
[07:32] <randabis> I've decided I'm gonna go ahead and upgrade to 2.6.10
[07:32] <randabis> getting this annoying error upon extraction though
[07:33] <trey3> randabis: what does it say?
[07:37] <ycco> must.... get... networking... setup.... on... laptop... properly!#%@#%
[07:37] <randabis> it's rather long
[07:37] <randabis> you want me to post?
[07:37] <bretzel> randabis: I want to see the errors - me too :-)
[07:37] <trey3> randabis: yes... preferably in a floodbot though...
[07:38] <randabis> floodbot?
[07:39] <randabis> oh, I know what it is, nvm
[07:40] <Moiana> Greetings, Ubuntu-lovers
[07:40] <Moiana> :)
[07:40] <trey3> Moiana: hey
[07:40] <tuxer> hi
[07:40] <randabis> seems I ran out of free space lol
[07:41] <randabis> sorted it out
[07:42] <Moiana> Greetings, trey3
[07:42] <Khantozavri> is there a way to find out support information about unicode in ubuntu?
[07:42] <trey3> Guess it wasn't that important to him?  :/
[07:43] <randabis> say, what's the command to make a debian kernel package?
[07:43] <randabis> after I've done my make xconfig
[07:43] <trey3> randabis: man make-kpkg
[07:43] <randabis> oh yeah
[07:43] <randabis> thanks
[07:43] <trey3> (install kernel-package first)
[07:44] <randabis> yeah I have it
[07:44] <randabis> I've done custom kernels before on this box, just forgot the command
[07:44] <trey3> :)
[07:44] <trey3> Its really Better (tm) to learn the Real way though... more useful to know if you go to other distro's  :)
[07:45] <Moiana> trey3: but debian kernel packaging is the 8th wonder of the world :)
[07:46] <Moiana> actually, debian packaging, kernel or software, is...
[07:46] <trey3> Moiana: I still am uncomfortable even having RPM installed... heh  ;)
[07:46] <trey3> stupid LSB  :(
[07:47] <trey3> Someone needs to write something that uses DEB and RPM as a backend, and state that in the LSB instead of the actual package format  :(
[07:48] <trey3> Even throw in TGZ etc too... one frontend for all the popular stuff... I guess LCC is working towards this though  :)
[07:49] <randabis> yeah I know how to do it the real way trey
[07:49] <randabis> :) done many a suse kernel
[07:50] <ycco> have I whined in the past 5 minutes about my problems with networking on my laptop?   http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[07:50] <trey3> Progeny + Connectiva together = good for apt  8)
[07:50] <smitty> i'm trying to enable my universe. will someone tell me how?
[07:50] <trukulo> smitty: look in ubuntu wiki
[07:50] <randabis> should be in there by default in synaptic, you just have to enable it
[07:51] <smitty> already do
[07:51] <trukulo> smitty: so look better
[07:51] <trukulo> :)
[07:51] <trey3> smitty: in /etc/apt/sources.list, remove the # at the beginning of the line...
[07:51] <ycco> smitty: check out:  http://www.ubuntuguide.com/
[07:51] <randabis> yeah that's one way
[07:51] <randabis> I don't recommend doing what it says in ubuntuguide
[07:51] <smitty> hmm...default,synaptic...that's the most helpful info i've gotten yet
[07:51] <randabis> I think it enables hoary universe
[07:51] <ycco> oh
[07:51] <trukulo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[07:52] <smitty> ok....stop telling me to look in the guide. i spent hours looking at wiki...unofficial guides...please just save it
[07:52] <Guardiann> smitty hold on
[07:52] <randabis> either do what trey said, or do it in synaptic
[07:53] <randabis> Settings --> Repositories
[07:53] <randabis> check the unchecked ones
[07:53] <trey3> smitty: in synaptic... click the check box to the side of the entry that has universe...
[07:54] <trey3> smitty: also... you may want to add multiverse to the line that states universe...
[07:55] <trey3> multiverse = things like mplayer and flash etc...
[07:55] <randabis> Yeah
[07:55] <randabis> I was gonna suggest that
[07:55] <randabis> heh, I accidently just did make-kpkg
[07:55] <randabis> without a kernel_image
[07:56] <randabis> will it just do a default?
[07:56] <trey3> smitty: so in sources.list the line should state: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse  (with no trailing #)
[07:56] <randabis> guess I'll find out..hehe
[07:56] <trey3> randabis: it will install instead of creating a .deb so you can install...
[07:56] <trey3> in theory anyways... never actually tried it  :/
[07:57] <randabis> hmm...
[07:57] <randabis> so it will edit grub. etc?
[07:57] <trey3> randabis: no.
[07:57] <trey3> randabis: it will place things in /boot etc...
[07:57] <randabis> ah
[07:58] <fonz55> good afternoon all
[07:58] <trey3> perfectly ok if you only have one box to set up...
[07:58] <trey3> fonz55: hey
[07:58] <randabis> I'd rather edit my menu.lst manually anyway
[07:59] <trey3> randabis: or you could issue 'update-grub'  ;)
[07:59] <randabis> yeah
[07:59] <Moiana> randabis : you may want to make-kpkg binary   (plus other options, of course).  The
[07:59] <randabis> but I wanna add my vga=791, etc
[07:59] <Seabook> Who was talking about installing ubuntu on a Toshiba A70 a few days ago?
[08:00] <randabis> I installed it on a Gateway solo 2250 laptop
[08:00] <Moiana> randabis : the 'binary' target  produces the packages for kernel_source, headers, doc and image
[08:00] <randabis> works great
[08:00] <COIN> #ubuntu-fr
[08:00] <randabis> old 450 mhz p3 with 224 MB of ram...hehe
[08:00] <trey3> randabis: not really a 'but' worthy statement... update-grub and add it... still saves about 70 keystrokes  :)
[08:00] <fonz55> not me, I just installed it on an IBM T40p
[08:00] <randabis> true dat
[08:01] <randabis> usually when I do this is does the update-grub automatically
[08:01] <smitty> thanks everyone.
[08:01] <randabis> should be done compiling soon
[08:02] <randabis> well it finished the bzimage, just doing the make install
[08:02] <fonz55> randabis:installing a new kernel is it?
[08:02] <randabis> yessir
[08:02] <randabis> 2.6.10
[08:02] <fonz55> better
[08:03] <randabis> runnin' 2.6.9 right now
[08:04] <fonz55> hmm, me the standard one  <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 (buildd@terranova)
[08:04] <fonz55> I will change it in a few days
[08:05] <fonz55> I just setup ubuntu on my laptop and I am really enthousiastic
[08:05] <randabis> me too :p
[08:05] <trey3> I thought I upgraded that
[08:05] <randabis> randabis-wireles is the laptop
[08:05] <GFXstyLER> hi
[08:06] <GFXstyLER> my sound does not work
[08:06] <Pozac> hi GFXstyLER
[08:06] <fonz55> hi there
[08:06] <trey3> bah... I did... I just didn't restart yet... lame  :(
[08:06] <randabis> haha
[08:06] <Pozac> what kind of sound card is it?
[08:06] <GFXstyLER> it works at the login screen but if i login
[08:06] <randabis> don't forget your initrd
[08:06] <GFXstyLER> via ac97 or something like that
[08:07] <Pozac> GFXstyLER, Is your user in the 'audio' group ?
[08:07] <GFXstyLER> i dont know, i have a look
[08:07] <GFXstyLER> yes it is
[08:07] <randabis> also, do Computer --> Desktop Preferences --> Sound --> Enable Sound Server Startup
[08:08] <GFXstyLER> i did
[08:08] <randabis> hmm
[08:08] <GFXstyLER> but after gdm it still wont work :)
[08:08] <randabis> volume up?
[08:08] <dud> this dvd will be interesting to check out...
[08:08] <GFXstyLER> yes
[08:08] <randabis> hmm
[08:08] <dud> i aborted a k3b burn, and the drive just kept blinking
[08:08] <Pozac> whats the output of lsof /dev/dsp ?
[08:08] <dud> now ive opened k3b again, and started burning on the disc
[08:09] <dud> it didnt complain...
[08:09] <neenee> hi everyone.
[08:09] <randabis> heh
[08:09] <GFXstyLER> if i try to play a file in xmms it wont work too
[08:09] <randabis> sup neenee
[08:09] <dud> GFXstyLER, does lsmod show lots of sound modules as it should?
[08:09] <neenee> just installing ubuntu is up randabis ;)
[08:09] <randabis> coolness
[08:10] <randabis> warty?
[08:10] <GFXstyLER> yes
[08:10] <neenee> yes, but i want to install that other one
[08:10] <neenee> hoary or something
[08:10] <neenee> i am unsure about the correct name
[08:10] <GFXstyLER> snd_via82xx
[08:10] <randabis> ah, you can get a daily iso of it, but be warned...t'is unstable
[08:10] <neenee> i am trying to find which repositories to add to my sources.list
[08:10] <neenee> i ran debian unstable
[08:11] <randabis> I'd put it on a seperate partition
[08:11] <Guardiann> where can you get the daily iso
[08:11] <neenee> and gentoo before that
[08:11] <randabis> I like gentoo, but I hate compile times :p
[08:11] <neenee> :)
[08:11] <trey3> neenee: blah... not special... everyone who actually uses Debian uses Sid  :)
[08:11] <randabis> so ubuntu was a good fit
[08:11] <neenee> :)
[08:11] <neenee> trey3: i doubt that, since then the other versions would no long be maintained
[08:11] <trey3> neenee: I've had more issues in ~2 months with hoary then I did in ~3 years with Sid though  :(
[08:12] <trey3> neenee: bah... they are maintained on principal...
[08:12] <randabis> hmm
[08:12] <GFXstyLER> brb
[08:12] <mparenti> How can I make "Computer" and "Wastebasket" appear on my gnome desktop?
[08:12] <randabis> update-grub didn't find the new kernel
[08:12] <randabis> oh, wait
[08:12] <randabis> it did
[08:13] <Vaportrail> is it possible to set up the 4th and 5th mousebutton to act as back and forward buttons for nautilus, too, and not only 4 firefox?
[08:13] <jeffreyb> Is Hoary release date in April?
[08:13] <trey3> neenee: developers and experienced users use sid... the paranoid use sarge... the people that haven't figured out how to upgrade complain about stable  :/
[08:13] <rwabel> does anyone also have the problem on hoary that apt wants to remove some of gnome and openoffice packages
[08:13] <randabis> just make-kpkg named it the wrong thing
[08:13] <randabis> haha
[08:13] <trukulo> jeffreyb: on 04/2005
[08:13] <jeffreyb> yep - cool
[08:14] <neenee> hm
[08:14] <neenee> i need to figure out how to start X
[08:14] <neenee> egh
[08:14] <neenee> not start
[08:14] <trey3> jeffreyb: hence the versioning  (5.04)
[08:14] <neenee> apt-get it
[08:14] <neenee> i keep forgetting
[08:14] <neenee> oh wait
[08:14] <neenee> apt-cache search
[08:14] <kosmonautti> I don't remember the address of one site, which I found from the Ubuntu Forums. It's a howto which shows you how to install nvidia/ati 3D acceleration drivers all the way till the 32-bit chroot environment. Do you know the address of that site?
[08:14] <neenee> never mind me
[08:14] <trey3> neenee: apt-get install x-window-system-core
[08:14] <neenee> thx
[08:15] <mparenti> I have a PowerBook G4 and I want to hook it up to a monitor, but when I try it doesn't show anything on the monitor.  How can I get it to work?
[08:15] <dud> talking about bits... im thinking about getting an amd 64bit cpu
[08:15] <GFXstyLER> i got 1 soundfile to work
[08:15] <kosmonautti> dud: Great choice
[08:15] <dud> hows ubuntu with 64bit?
[08:15] <GFXstyLER> its the gdm login sound
[08:15] <dud> nice and stable?
[08:15] <Pozac> GFXstyLER, no clicking sound when press buttons ?
[08:15] <kosmonautti> dud: Nice!!! About stable not sure yet and the chroot vs. 32-bit emulation libraries are the cons.
[08:15] <GFXstyLER> no
[08:16] <trey3> dud: apparently the best Debian based @ 64bit...
[08:16] <GFXstyLER> but:
[08:16] <kosmonautti> trey3: Agree.
[08:16] <dud> kosmonautti, the what chroot what? hehe
[08:16] <dud> fill me in...
[08:16] <Ensiferum> at which point are the devices in /dev updatet when booting up. (system is using devfs)
[08:16] <bretzel> Hey randabis: going to try DVD-install of hoary! :-)
[08:16] <dud> trey3, hmm
[08:16] <trey3> Ensiferum: why oh why are you using devfs?
[08:16] <randabis> cool]
[08:16] <kosmonautti> Ubuntu is at least the best looking :)
[08:17] <Pozac> GFXstyLER, for mp3s, flash, etc http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:17] <Ensiferum> trey3: dunno. isnt that what ubuntu system is using?
[08:17] <trey3> kosmonautti: bah... I don't talk of looks...
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: no
[08:17] <neenee> starting X now
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: udev
[08:17] <bretzel> will give news about after install...
[08:17] <GFXstyLER> if i go to "computer/system configuration/login screen settings/" and then after "security" you can select if you want to have a soundfile played if the login screen is ready or not
[08:17] <Ensiferum> trey3: what's that then?
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: userland devfs basically...
[08:17] <kosmonautti> Where's the site with the starter howto for ubuntu users?
[08:17] <GFXstyLER> and i can play that sound
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: replaced devfs @ 2.6.8 if I recall
[08:18] <dud> GFXstyLER, you might have an issue similar to mine a few days ago
[08:18] <Ensiferum> trey3: how can i see then what i'm using?
[08:18] <dud> basically kde apps destroyed the alsa sound driver
[08:18] <GFXstyLER> and if i select any other sound files i can play them like that too
[08:18] <trey3> Ensiferum: you're using udev if you don't know...
[08:18] <dud> but left ESD running
[08:18] <GFXstyLER> dud: what was your problem?
[08:18] <dud> i just disabled all kde sound events
[08:18] <neenee> hm
[08:18] <GFXstyLER> i dont have kde
[08:18] <dud> no kde apps either?
[08:19] <neenee> how is the display manager called? i want to use ~/.xinitrc instead
[08:19] <GFXstyLER> no
[08:19] <dud> like k3b or similar
[08:19] <Ensiferum> trey3: mkay. well any ideas how to fix the problem then?
[08:19] <GFXstyLER> no :)
[08:19] <dud> okies, guess thats not it then
[08:19] <xukun> how can I upgrade things in ubuntu without compromising security?
[08:19] <mgedmin> neenee: you can use ~/.xsessionrc
[08:19] <neighborlee> where is java integration at or if no one knows where can I read about its status ?
[08:19] <neenee> okay
[08:19] <dud> but if the ubuntu system sounds works, its a good chance that ESD is working
[08:19] <mgedmin> neenee, oops, I meant ~/.xsession
[08:19] <trey3> Ensiferum: nope... didn't catch the issue  :(
[08:19] <mgedmin> no rc at the end
[08:19] <neenee> ok
[08:19] <GFXstyLER> maybe i have to use the "loginscreen settings" window as music player now *lol*
[08:19] <neenee> doesn't exist though
[08:19] <dud> most sound players use oss or alsa, but gnome uses esd
[08:19] <mgedmin> create it
[08:19] <will> neighborlee: java is a restricted format
[08:20] <neenee> hm
[08:20] <Pozac> Theres a .gnomerc
[08:20] <mgedmin> and then select session 'default' in gdm
[08:20] <kosmonautti> The website is like this here, but it covers more stuff: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713. Where is it? :///
[08:20] <GFXstyLER> how can i get esd ?
[08:20] <Ensiferum> trey3: kernel doesnt pick up my cd-rom drives. so basically i dont have the devices in /dev
[08:20] <dud> GFXstyLER, you have esd :)
[08:20] <neighborlee> will, not to those that need it and not to distros like mepis and suse and others...
[08:20] <GFXstyLER> and how can i use it?
[08:20] <dud> i dont know how you'd go about changing which sound dmons your apps will use...
[08:21] <dud> google around for it
[08:21] <GFXstyLER> ok
[08:21] <trey3> Ensiferum: modprobe ide-cd ; what does it say?
[08:21] <will> neighborlee: its coming in hoary :) : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JavaIntegration/view?searchterm=java
[08:21] <Ensiferum> trey3: nothing, so it installed i suppose
[08:21] <neighborlee> will, k thats what i was wondering thx...
[08:21] <Pozac> trey3, alsa's software multiplexing (or what its called) is not yet stable
[08:21] <trey3> Ensiferum: lsmod | grep ide-cd
[08:22] <trey3> Pozac: I disagree... this is the method Fedora uses... works fine.
[08:22] <Ensiferum> trey3: finds nothing
[08:22] <will> neighborlee its pisses me off too!
[08:22] <Ensiferum> trey3: however lsmod | grep ide_cd finds the module
[08:22] <dud> also try 'sudo lshw' Ensiferum
[08:22] <dud> see if it sees your cdroms
[08:22] <neighborlee> will, heh...well ubuntu ROCKS me yeah ill be very elated to see java
[08:22] <neenee> doesn't java work then?
[08:23] <trey3> Ensiferum: hmm... then theoretically, the cdrom should be there.... /dev/hdc...
[08:23] <neighborlee> neenee, after you jump through hoops yes..
[08:23] <neenee> i setup java this afternoon with debian.. shouldn't be that difficult with ubuntu?
[08:23] <neighborlee> neenee, hoops with suzie wont do
[08:23] <will> neenee: yes it works, its a cross platform language/machine
[08:23] <Ensiferum> dud: that's a great command!
[08:23] <neighborlee> neenee, but it will soon be moot point ;-) thankfully
[08:23] <dud> lshw rocks ;)
[08:23] <trey3> will: just because its proposed doesn't mean it will be accepted...
[08:24] <randabis> brb
[08:24] <randabis> gonna reboot into 2.6.10
[08:24] <Ensiferum> trey3: is the udev supposed to create the devices when kernel loads a certain module. and the kernel module load should be triggered by a hardware, or..?
[08:24] <Guardiann> what kernel is in hoary
[08:24] <neenee> hm
[08:24] <neighborlee> Ensiferum, YES
[08:25] <neenee> are there localized hoary repositories
[08:25] <will> trey: thats true, but hopefully they will work towards it :)
[08:25] <neighborlee> Ensiferum, I mean,,yes..sorry my caps went on accidentily
[08:25] <dud> 2.6.9 isnt it?
[08:25] <Ensiferum> neighborlee: np
[08:25] <kosmonautti> Really, are there any after installation howto's to get new users started except the one found from Ubuntu FAQ forums?
[08:25] <trey3> Ensiferum: I'm really not the person to ask about specifics... basically... hal pics up that the hardware is there, dbus pokes udev, and udev creates the pointer...
[08:25] <Pozac> also 2.6.10
[08:25] <trey3> Thats as far as my understanding stretches though...
[08:25] <trey3> picks*
[08:25] <sjoerd> trey3: it's exactly the other way around
[08:25] <Guardiann> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/       kosmonautti  try there
[08:26] <trey3> sjoerd: care to elaborate?
[08:26] <neighborlee> trey3, there is no choice about integrating java unless we dont want to see ubuntu succede..heck linux in general ;-)
[08:26] <dud> i just hate sun and java
[08:26] <dud> nothing personal, but i just hate it
[08:26] <dud> always have, always will
[08:26] <trey3> neighborlee: I disagree... the only distro that currently installs Java off the bat is SUSE... and they suck...
[08:26] <neighborlee> no I think mepis does too
[08:26] <neenee> egh
[08:26] <will> who wants to try suns ljava linux!?!?
[08:26] <dud> java is a slow and moronic language imho
[08:26] <neenee> can someone paste me a deb link for a hoary repository?
[08:27] <GFXstyLER> i cant play video files either
[08:27] <neighborlee> dud, yes but tons of websites USE IT
[08:27] <trey3> neighborlee: bah... ok... but both suck... so my point still counts...
[08:27] <kosmonautti> Does the nvidia drivers howto found from ubuntu guide work for the AMD64 version in the exact same way?
[08:27] <sjoerd> trey3: hotplug and udev get pushed by the kernel when there is a new device.. udev creates the device node, hotplug does some other stuff if needed.. both send events to hal which merges all the info
[08:27] <GFXstyLER> so no sound, no video ...
[08:27] <kezz> dud, don't flamebait
[08:27] <will> dud: its the JVM thats slow, not the language
[08:27] <dud> kezz, heh...
[08:27] <trey3> neighborlee: tons of sites use JavaScript... thats included...
[08:27] <neighborlee> trey3, tell that to suzie homemaker or the countless 'converts' we lost
[08:27] <neighborlee> trey3, no..is not
[08:27] <xukun> trey3: what about kanotix?
[08:27] <trey3> sjoerd: ahh... thanks  :)
[08:27] <neighborlee> trey3, you must go through a arcane install procedure so dont tell me its included
[08:28] <dud> neenee, just follow the wiki page on upgrading to hoary
[08:28] <bretzel> DVD-hoary jan-2005 seems to install well, but it was unable to start the framebuffer ...
[08:28] <dud> its real simple
[08:28] <neighborlee> xukun, not sure..but kanotis makes alot of things easier to install with tons of scripts...
[08:28] <neenee> dud: i will try, but lynx is not very nice to me :)
[08:28] <trey3> xukun: I have never even looked into Kanotix... which should tell you how successful it is... I have tried over 30 distros...
[08:29] <xukun> neighborlee: and why is that bad? easy for lot us out there
[08:29] <GFXstyLER> lol i guess reinstalling ubuntu will solve my problem
[08:29] <xukun> trench: looking at it wouldnt heart anybody
[08:29] <dud> has anyone else experienced slow dvd burning speeds on ubuntu?
[08:29] <GFXstyLER> its always like that, reinstalling, and it suddenly works, maybe ubuntu has something like a randomizer that chooses if something works or not
[08:29] <kosmonautti> How would you recommend quitting Gnome for the time when I install nvidia drivers and change XF86Config-4 ?
[08:29] <dud> cd burning is fine, but dvd is so damn slow for me :(
[08:29] <neighborlee> xukun, thats my points ..its not bad..;-))
[08:29] <xukun> trey3: : looking at it wouldnt heart anybody
[08:30] <gangalino> what's the path for gcc on Warty?
[08:30] <trey3> xukun: true enough... I've had no reason to yet though...
[08:30] <bretzel> And.. I am actually erasing my Fedora installation :-) now my P4 computer have Two ubuntu linux + the M$-winxp
[08:30] <trey3> gangalino: apt-get install build-essential
[08:30] <neighborlee> xukun, ubuntu makes most things pretty darn easy which is its entire point..I hope they add java to the easy list
[08:30] <dud> kosmonautti, ctrl+alt+backspace?
[08:30] <neenee> damnit
[08:30] <neenee> dud: the search function on the ubuntu wiki page does not work in lynx.
[08:30] <trey3> neighborlee: thats funny... Debian is considered one of the hardest distro's around... but Ubuntu is NO different... I'm confused...
[08:31] <xukun> trey3: I have tried it and using a long time along with ubuntu for my laptop and its realy gread
[08:31] <gangalino> 33: synaptic shows gcc3.4 base installed
[08:31] <trey3> Ubuntu = customized subset of Debian packages....
[08:31] <bretzel> neighborlee: Isn't java ok ? ( the actuall j2rsdk5 )
[08:31] <trey3> bretzel: personally I don't think Java is hard to install at all... he apparently disagrees...
[08:31] <xukun> neighborlee: I see your point
[08:32] <crimsun> gangalino: you need to install 'build-essential'. `sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[08:32] <trey3> xukun: care to elaborate for the rest of us?  :P
[08:32] <Pozac> trey3, Ubuntu = easy + apt + ancient init system
[08:32] <trey3> Pozac: umm... its no easier than Debian  :/
[08:32] <xukun> trey3: what?
[08:32] <crimsun> hey, that "ancient init system" works great ;P
[08:32] <neenee> geez.
[08:32] <bretzel> trey3: I dont get it because once it is installed, it just works ... I did install the jsdk version 5 and it seems ok
[08:32] <trey3> Pozac: and apt and ancient init system = Debian traits...
[08:32] <Pozac> yeah, except when you need to change something
[08:33] <neighborlee> trey3, ubuntu is entirely different..EASY to install ..most things just 'work' out of the box including alot of devices ...PLUS we get gnome2.8..anyway ubuntu rocks..I said so months ago and still feel that way..but we need java easier to install because we 'are' a easy to use distro...;-)....I think though we should shoot for IBM not sun
[08:33] <Pozac> trey3, yup
[08:33] <dud> neenee, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:33] <gangalino> crimsun: isn't it also available in Synaptic Pkg. Mgr? which one can I install? gcc3.4?
[08:33] <crimsun> gangalino: sure, it's available. Just search for and install 'build-essential'.
[08:33] <Ensiferum> just booted after messing up with MAKEDEV. system does load ide_generic, ide_disk and ide_cd. but, yet there's no device in /dev. neither do i seem them probed if listing kernel messages with dmesg. what gives?
[08:34] <dud> if this disc work, ill donate $50 to the flood victims
[08:34] <trey3> neighborlee: Ubuntu uses debian-installer... try getting a Sarge netinstall disc
[08:34] <dud> fairly certain it wont heh
[08:34] <kezz> anybody installed monodevelop on ubuntu ppc?
[08:34] <bretzel> neighborlee: Ah I get it :-) There are missing tools for java then...But the base is there and ok tho
[08:34] <randabis-wireles> dammit
[08:34] <zerokarmaleft> the greatest thing i like about ubuntu is adherence to debian policy for packaging but not adherence to debian extreme anal-retentiveness when it comes to choosing which packages to include in a stable distro version
[08:35] <trey3> neighborlee: I actually dislike the installer on account of it doesn't let me set domain or select my own packages...
[08:35] <neighborlee> thats another thing..if we dont include the 'essential' stuff..I think it would be nice to 'include' it in synaptic at first start as optional niceities for those that dont know about them ....i'd really like to see ubuntu climb the'easy to use' ladde and give M$ a run for its money ( competition is GOOD in this case <wink>0
[08:35] <randabis-wireles> my nforce drivers won't install
[08:35] <bretzel> randabis: ? :-)
[08:35] <trey3> neighborlee: those two substractions = the only differences though...
[08:35] <bretzel> oh!
[08:35] <randabis-wireles> the modules won't create
[08:35] <randabis-wireles> so no network or sound on the main box
[08:35] <neighborlee> trey3, the installer could be better yes..I think ( unlesss they have loftier plans) they might be well served to adopt use of 'anaconda' possibly like many others  have
[08:35] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, whats wrong with the one in restriced-modules ?
[08:35] <neenee> dud: thanks.
[08:36] <trey3> neighborlee: if you want anaconda for Debian... use Progeny.
[08:36] <randabis-wireles> it's old i think
[08:36] <dud> np neenee
[08:36] <Pozac> hmm
[08:36] <neighborlee> trey3, no..progenhy is too bleeding edge like FC...I tried it once ..I couldn't even get a install to work..NO THANKS ;-)
[08:37] <trey3> neighborlee: work is going into creating a GTK interface for d-i... however I don't see how it can be much easier?
[08:37] <neighborlee> trey3, no we need to concentrate on making ubuntu great...it already is but with a bit of a nudge it will be something M$ users consider 'upgrading' to <wink>
[08:37] <xukun> neighborlee: ist hoary alos bleeding edge?
[08:37] <xukun> also
[08:37] <neighborlee> I dont know..i'm not using it..I downloaded warty months ago and still use it...
[08:37] <trey3> neighborlee: I use Hoary... when I use Debian, I use Sid... old software makes me cry
[08:37] <randabis-wireles> i tried copying the old modules over but that don'twork obviously
[08:38] <neighborlee> trey3, heh yes debian is known for this sadness which is why ubuntu is clearly ahead of the curve on this
[08:38] <neighborlee> trey3, what is d-i ?
[08:38] <lavigj> how much space does ubuntu need on a laptop to really get a feel for it? I need mostly office type apps, email, web, chat.
[08:38] <trey3> neighborlee: debian-installer
[08:38] <kezz> debian-installer
[08:38] <neighborlee> ahhhhh
[08:38] <trey3> the installer you used when you installed Ubuntu
[08:38] <lavigj> would ~10GB be enough?
[08:38] <neighborlee> trey3, well..to US its easy...to suzie its HARD
[08:38] <xukun> neighborlee: which version of mozzilla-firefox are you using?
[08:38] <kezz> lavigj, easily enough
[08:39] <neighborlee> trey3, we are just used to it cause we're all l33t
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: its really not though
[08:39] <neighborlee> LOL
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: and I'm not l33t
[08:39] <lavigj> kezz: ok, it is my only windows box and as windows likes to replicate, I don't want to cramp it too much :)
[08:39] <kezz> lavigj,
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: d-i asks less questions than the CLI interface for XP... its really not hard.
[08:39] <kezz> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[08:39] <kezz> /dev/hda4             16164716   1944452  13399124  13% /
[08:39] <neighborlee> trey3, true its much 'easier' now but its still nowhere near as easy as installing MDK or SUSE or Fedoracore for example..or even vidalinux or libranet probably
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: haha @ saying mandrakes installer is easy...
[08:40] <Ensiferum> dud: lshw doesnt show the cdroms.
[08:40] <trey3> I found it to be the hardest distro around to install
[08:40] <neighborlee> trey3, no i was saying the current warty installer...i'm all for d-i if it truly makes a nice easy install possible for those wanting it and leaves a power install for us l33ters LOL
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz is that what you are using?
[08:40] <trey3> Its pretty... but it sure as hell isn't easy
[08:40] <neighborlee> trey3, well it is LOL..have you tried it?
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz: for space
[08:40] <kezz> lavigj, yes
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz: ok, so not bad at all then
[08:40] <kezz> lavigj, its usable now with 2 gig used so 10 gig is easily enough
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz: cool. Thanks.
[08:41] <trey3> neighborlee: yes... I wouldn't state "I found it to be the hardest distro around to install" if I hadn't tried it.
[08:41] <lavigj> kezz: I usually use gentoo which is a bit disc hungry at times, but I wanted to try something else and didn't want to short myself too much on space
[08:41] <neighborlee> trey3, anyway thats great news about d-i gtk based installer..berry glad to hear that ;-)
[08:41] <trey3> neighborlee: why? it just means it will take longer to install  :/
[08:41] <neighborlee> trey3, its no h arder than suse or fedora I dont think..but we all have our own ideas about things
[08:41] <gangalino> where are the "C header files" in Warty?
[08:42] <kezz> lavigj, yeah my ibook and gentoo don't get on too well
[08:42] <randabis-wireles> oh, and i can't use those restricted modules with a 2.6.10 kernel
[08:42] <neighborlee> trey3, you miss the point....suzie could care LESS as long as she isn't 'forced into using terminal crap'
[08:42] <kezz> gangalino, /usr/include
[08:42] <trey3> neighborlee: Anaconda is a nice installer... Yast is heavy, but pretty easy... Mandrakes installer is just badly thought out.
[08:42] <lavigj> kezz: wierd. I really like gentoo and have had a lot of success with it... I just wanted to try something other than a source based distro on the laptop since it isn't quite so beefy.
[08:42] <neenee> do i have to uncomment that universe thing to install xorg?
[08:43] <gangalino> The header files in /usr/include are generally for C libraries, not for the
[08:43] <gangalino> running kernel. If you do not have kernel header files in your /usr/src
[08:43] <gangalino> directory, you probably do not have the kernel-source package installed. Are yousure that /usr/include contains the header files associated with your running
[08:43] <gangalino> kernel? [no]
[08:43] <trey3> neighborlee: XP forces uses to answer more complicated questions... difference being they sell preinstalled on shelves.
[08:43] <neighborlee> trey3, yeah it is in some places but easy is still relevant ;-)
[08:43] <trey3> Thats the answer... not making installers clunky and "pretty"...
[08:43] <lavigj> kezz: do you like the package management in ubuntu?
[08:43] <neighborlee> trey3, yes i'm not fond of xp's installer either
[08:43] <neighborlee> trey3, but then who is ..hahaha
[08:43] <kezz> lavigj, yes apt is really nice
[08:43] <trey3> neighborlee: Suzie shouldn't need to install her own box... it should come pre installed
[08:43] <lavigj> kezz: cool. this is a Good Thing (TM)
[08:44] <kezz> lavigj, its the best desktop linux ive come across
[08:44] <neighborlee> trey3, point is clear I think ;-)..easier is good if we care at all about attracting new users which > more vendor support ..assuming 'enough' of us care
[08:44] <Cloudchaser> hmmm i tried to install swat (samba config tool) but i get a broken depends msg
[08:44] <kezz> lavigj, esp for my laptop
[08:44] <lavigj> kezz: anyway, thanks for the input. I need to get going but I appreciate the info.
[08:44] <kezz> np
[08:44] <neenee> it's not only attracting new users, but keeping them..
[08:44] <randabis-wireles> man
[08:44] <randabis-wireles> this sucks
[08:44] <trey3> neighborlee: where you and I disagree is what "easy" means... easy to me = not complicated; easy to you = not intimidating to look at...
[08:44] <randabis-wireles> why the hell won't the modules get created...
[08:45] <lavigj> kezz: actually, one more question. do you have a prism based wireless card?
[08:45] <neighborlee> trey3, ic
[08:45] <kezz> lavigj, i have a couple of usb adapters but i left them at uni so i haven't tried em yet
[08:45] <neenee> (anyone on the universe line question?)
[08:45] <kezz> they use prism2 chipsets
[08:45] <trey3> neighborlee: you can safely just keep hitting enter with Ubuntu's installer... and likely hood is it will work...
[08:45] <kezz> lavigj, i believe ndiswrapper works ok with ubuntu tho i haven't tried it yet
[08:46] <neighborlee> trey3, well all i'm saying is if its easy enough ( lets compare it to linspire or xandros easy of install..3 clicks and your  done IF you want) for a average housewife or NON programer..then GUESS how many vendors will start supporting linux ..its not rocket science man ;-)
[08:46] <trey3> This is a little less complicated than any other installer I can name...
[08:46] <lavigj> kezz: ok. I was just wondering. I don't have experience with wireless under linux
[08:46] <Pozac> neenee, do you have hoary?
[08:46] <lavigj> kezz: yet
[08:46] <neenee> Pozac: i am upgrading to it at the moment
[08:46] <Pozac> neenee, I don't think X.Org is in warty
[08:46] <kezz> lavigj, good luck (you'll need it)
[08:46] <neenee> Pozac: it does not seem to be in hoary either
[08:46] <dud> for complicated installer, try the netbsd 1.6 or similar :O
[08:46] <trey3> Pozac: its not...  :)
[08:46] <lavigj> kezz: thanks
[08:46] <dud> or the old 4.0ish freebsd installer
[08:47] <neighborlee> trey3, anyway ill be glad to see this new gtk  based installer..the current one is honkey dorey for me but the option coming is def. nice
[08:47] <dud> xorg is in hoary
[08:47] <Vaportrail> is it possible to slow down the mouse under x (not gnome)?
[08:47] <dud> called xserver-xorg
[08:47] <trey3> neighborlee: Its basically exactly the same, but using GTK widgets...  ;/
[08:47] <ycco> anyone here know all the network config files under Ubuntu?
[08:47] <randabis-wireles> :(
[08:48] <neighborlee> trey3, so its more of a 'pretty up' than anything else ??
[08:48] <randabis-wireles> the log don't tell me much
[08:48] <Pozac> ycco, what are you looking for?
[08:48] <neenee> Vaportrail: yes
[08:48] <neofeed> where are the keymaps stored in ubuntu?
[08:48] <gangalino> how do I get the C header / kernel sources files?
[08:48] <ycco> Pozac: http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu  please look at that.
[08:48] <neenee> Vaportrail: but i do not know the settings by heart, and i do not have a proper browser to find a link for you.
[08:48] <ycco> Pozac: need to find out why it's different
[08:48] <Pozac> ycco, can do
[08:48] <dud> gangalino, kernel-headers kernel-source
[08:48] <trey3> neighborlee: I wouldn't even call it that... ncurses is nice imo
[08:48] <dud> apt-get packages that is
[08:48] <neighborlee> trey3, for most of us prob. yes thats true enough
[08:49] <Vaportrail> neenee and I do not have the skill to find it myself :P
[08:49] <neenee> Vaportrail: sure you do
[08:49] <ycco> Pozac: I'm having routing issues there on my laptop. :/
[08:49] <gangalino> thx, dud
[08:49] <Vaportrail> neenee you don't meen xset?
[08:49] <randabis-wireles> guess it's time for some googling
[08:49] <Ensiferum> trey3: you got any ideas how to make the kernel probe this particular ide channel. looks like that this is the problem in question.
[08:49] <dud> Vaportrail, just google for "mouse speed x server" or something
[08:49] <Cloudchaser> neighborlee, i think there are a few distros aimed at linux newbies, the question is....is ubuntu one of them and is that an official goal of ubuntu?
[08:49] <neenee> Vaportrail: hm.. that might be part of the command
[08:49] <trey3> ycco: wireless? settings seem the same  :/
[08:49] <neenee> Vaportrail: xset m something perhaps
[08:50] <Vaportrail> neenee yes, but that can't make it slower, only faster then it is :(
[08:50] <trey3> Ensiferum: sorry  :(
[08:50] <Pozac> ycco, hmm.. that looks fine
[08:50] <Pozac> ycco, whats the routing issues?
[08:50] <neenee> Vaportrail: you could run gnome-settings-daemon beneath whatever window manager you use
[08:50] <trey3> Cloudchaser: Ubuntu = KISS... afaict at least...
[08:50] <Pozac> ycco, nothing works or?
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> neighborlee, i read the "Welcome to Ubunutu" statement on the web page
[08:51] <trey3> Cloudchaser: I don't really think there is a specific target audiance other than those that like simplicity...
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't say anything about "easy"
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> it speaks about "free"
[08:51] <Vaportrail> neenee hmm, but that only does it for gnome or? not for x in general?
[08:51] <gangalino> uname -a gives me <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 which kernel header do I choose?
[08:51] <ycco> Pozac: it works.. just super laggy
[08:51] <trey3> gangalino: that would be -r
[08:51] <maps73> hy...
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> if it is an official goal to be easy, it needs to have some things addressed
[08:51] <crimsun> gangalino: linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:51] <ycco> Pozac: I installed at a friends house who has dhcp setup.
[08:51] <ycco> I don't have dhcp setup here.
[08:51] <siretart> gangalino: use kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> and in this case, free and easy don't go hand in hand
[08:52] <maps73> i've got a question about a mp3 player
[08:52] <neenee> Vaportrail: it would work for x in general
[08:52] <gangalino>  sudo apt-get install kernel-headers doesn't give me a choice for 2.6.8x
[08:52] <Ensiferum> trey3: :/
[08:52] <neenee> Vaportrail: add exec gnome-settings-daemon & to your .xinitrc
[08:52] <trey3> Cloudchaser: "easy" as a goal = not my type of distro.... I like simplicity... people that try to make things "easy" usually just make things take longer  :/
[08:52] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, hmm I didn't know that..true you are correct then
[08:52] <Cloudchaser> trey3, you're not a linux new person
[08:52] <trey3> Case in point: wizards...
[08:52] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, ill have to give that a read
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> my point and neighborlee
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> i think
[08:53] <dud> i ran slackware for a long time. thats a simple as it gets
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> is
[08:53] <Vaportrail> neenee ogt it, xset m does it with broken numbers
[08:53] <randabis-wireles> grrr
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> i recommend linux to someone
[08:53] <dud> in the end, it just became too much hassle on a daily basis
[08:53] <Vaportrail> neenee like xset m 1/4 1/4
[08:53] <bretzel> sh*t! the haory DVD install fails at the grub install! Grub is uninstallable ! ?
[08:53] <crimsun> gangalino: please see what I typed.
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> they get it installed, all excited, go to their internet game site and then...
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't work
[08:53] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, i'd heard in reviews and what not that easy was a goal but..if its not it should be addressed and I think overall it is easy but def. not everything....:(..yet anyway ;-)
[08:53] <trey3> dud: no... slack makes you do too much to be classified "simple"... without third party tools like swaret or slapt-get... slack is a pain to run...
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> so in windows, they'd get a message saying they need java
[08:54] <crimsun> siretart: remember to recommend linux-* for ubuntu instead of Debian's kernel-*
[08:54] <trey3> dud: Debian's strong-suit = debconf... nothing competes with it.
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> and they click ok and it installs and they're happy
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> but in linux...its not so
[08:54] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, yeah true....flash is fairly easy to deal with ( even in windows it must be installed) but yeah java is ridicously hard to dea with in most linux distros..but that will change if 'I' have anything to say about i t
[08:54] <ycco> Pozac: posted my hosts files too
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> yes flash works via internet installer
[08:54] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, I may not have TONS of pull but i'm def. NOT afraid to shoot off my mouth <G>
[08:54] <Pozac> ycco, how about your resolv.conf files?
[08:54] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, hahah
[08:55] <ycco> sec
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> well good luck with it neighborlee ;)
[08:55] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, thx..Ill need it <wink>
[08:55] <ycco> Pozac: they are fine with my ISP's DNS.
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> now the newb goes to a news site and wants to watch a news clip
[08:55] <ycco> Pozac: same as my desktop which is working great.
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> oh holy toledo you lost them!
[08:55] <Pozac> ycco, fine ok :)
[08:55] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, java 'almost' works in fireworks..but not quite..if that worked then debian would have one less thing to worry about
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> heck i'm still fighting with it when i get time to get all the medias worked out
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> so back they go to windows
[08:56] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, be nice if flash install worked in firworks too..I think it does in windows but not sure..<<
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> whats fireworks?
[08:56] <Pozac> ycco, where are the hosts files?
[08:56] <gangalino> crimsun: what did you type? I have my kernel version, but apt kernel-headers doesn't provide a choice for my version, which is 2.6.8x
[08:56] <neighborlee> oops
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> i installed flash on rh when the msg came up that i needed it
[08:56] <trey3> Cloudchaser: firefox to people that aren't knowledgable  ;)
[08:56] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, sorry not fireworks LOL..I have that app on the mind LOL..I  mean: fire'fox' ROFL
[08:57] <Pozac> ycco, maybe also output of ifconfig
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[08:57] <ycco> Pozac: in  occy.net/tmp
[08:57] <neighborlee> trey3, hey now that aint nice ..ROFL
[08:57] <ycco> Pozac: k
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> i like ubuntu alot
[08:57] <trey3> neighborlee: its a true statement though is it not?  :)
[08:57] <Pozac> ah ok
[08:57] <neighborlee> trey3, depends how you meant it
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> and i think some day it might be "easy" for newbs
[08:58] <trey3> Cloudchaser: I like GNOME 2.9 and Xorg... different reasons to use Ubuntu I guess  :)
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> but now isn't the time
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> some little kinks to work out i think
[08:58] <bretzel> What special with Gonme 2.9  against 2.8 ?
[08:58] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, someone coming from windows WOULD indeed not finding ubuntu 'easy'...totally agree
[08:58] <trey3> bretzel: its newer and shinnier  :)
[08:58] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, my hope is ubuntu fullly knows this and are working on it..but its dain close ;-))
[08:58] <ycco> Pozac: k, ifconfig-laptop  and ifconfig-desktop
[08:59] <trey3> bretzel: other than that... most noticable changes are down to GTK 2.6 ...
[08:59] <Cloudchaser> well there's some other things missing besides just media and java ease
[08:59] <trey3> Cloudchaser: like what?
[08:59] <bretzel> :-) GNome with 2.8 ubuntu is already greater than never and beats KDE in other KDE distros ... so It's hard for me to guess what is better in 2.9 :-) :-)
[08:59] <gangalino> media is a big thing
[08:59] <crimsun> gangalino: linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:00] <trey3> One thing I believe is laking for instance = when you click on a .deb... you should get a dialogue asking whether to install...
[09:00] <siretart> crimsun: pardon. your completly right
[09:00] <trey3> Thats about the only thing I see is missing...
[09:00] <gangalino> crimsun: cwa2@mombassa:~/downloads/vmware-distrib $ uname -r
[09:00] <gangalino> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> well i'm not quite sure "what" is the issue.. but connecting to other windows pc's, network browsing, samba config is a nightmare
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> swat is broken
[09:00] <trey3> swat has been broken for years...
[09:00] <bretzel> In hoary installcd, is Lilo working ? because Grub is scewed I had to restart the installation
[09:00] <Pozac> ycco, hmm, that seems mighty fine
[09:00] <trey3> A frontend for Samba might be a good thing though...?
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't even install trey
[09:01] <Vaportrail> there is a hoary install cd?
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> yes a frontend built in
[09:01] <crimsun> gangalino: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> its sorta kinda there but not finished i guess
[09:01] <trey3> I am all for making things easier etc... read: take less time/steps though...
[09:01] <ycco> Pozac: I didn't have an /etc/networks file
[09:01] <ycco> !!!
[09:01] <bretzel> \trye3: gnomba ? ( client ) and smbmount for server
[09:01] <ycco> hmm
[09:01] <ycco> still seems to be some lag though
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> there's an option for windows networking
[09:01] <Vaportrail> mkay
[09:01] <Pozac> ycco, I dont have it either :)
[09:01] <ycco> Pozac: I have it on my desktop
[09:02] <crimsun> ycco: did you ever resolve your 1400x1050 issue?
[09:02] <bretzel> oh! I see kernel 2.6.10 in the hoary installation!!! the sources are being installed!
[09:02] <Gwildor|Work> FYI, adobe had a pdf viewer for linux coming out soon....its beta ATM
[09:02] <Cloudchaser> but, at least on my machine, network browser is not working..i think thats nautilus bug
[09:02] <trey3> bretzel: no... if its not part of Nautilus/GNOME itself, you can't consider it a solution...
[09:02] <Pozac> ycco, hmm
[09:02] <ycco> crimsun: YES!
[09:02] <crimsun> ycco: excellent
[09:02] <ycco> crimsun: occy.net/insprion7500
[09:02] <ycco> crimsun: go read that for a chuckle
[09:02] <Cloudchaser> Gwildor|Work, i have adobe's pdf reader installed along with the plugin
[09:02] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, nautilus was great idea but its just too slow I find..even on my PIV2.26 with one gig of ram ;-)
[09:02] <trey3> bretzel: maybe GNOMBA is going in the right direction... but nautilus is where you go in GNOME to deal with files...
[09:03] <Pozac> nautilus too slow?
[09:03] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, buts its integration idea is slick indeed...
[09:03] <ycco> now the issues I'm having are with networking and my battery not showing up...
[09:03] <Vaportrail> grml xset m 1/4 1/4 ends in negative acceleration :(
[09:03] <bretzel> trey3: ah, its ok, it should be not difficult to implement samba in nautilus for the coders... :-) I would do it meself but no time and too much API to learn
[09:03] <Cloudchaser> i don't know what gnomba is
[09:03] <ycco> Pozac: naw... just typing while ssh'ed in shouldn't lag
[09:03] <trey3> neighborlee: that was true years ago... Nautilus is one of the most responsive components of GNOME today though :/
[09:03] <neighborlee> Pozac, although I should prob. turh off the icon preview of files ;(..
[09:03] <trey3> bretzel: :)
[09:03] <neighborlee> trey3, welllll possibly but NOT if you have on icon preview
[09:03] <neighborlee> trey3, which btw IS the defaut action
[09:03] <Cloudchaser> i get permissions error when i try to browse my network
[09:04] <gangalino> crimsun: I appreciate you working with me. But do you mean "sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386"?
[09:04] <trey3> neighborlee: yes... and its still fast to me... and I'm on a 950 duron  :/
[09:04] <crimsun> gangalino: no, I mean: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:04] <Pozac> neighborlee, Also not count items in folder.. a bit rough on the ol' disk
[09:04] <trey3> gangalino: yes...
[09:04] <neighborlee> trey3, well on some large DIR's..its takes forever to load up....
[09:04] <gangalino> sudo apt-get install kernel-headers- 'uname -r'
[09:04] <gangalino> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:04] <gangalino> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:04] <gangalino> Package kernel-headers is not installed, so not removed
[09:04] <trey3> crimsun: same difference... just one is smarter  :)
[09:04] <Cloudchaser> that it does neighborlee
[09:05] <bretzel> trey3: Do you know if lilo is well in hoary ? because there are errors in process on installing grub in my copy of hoary-dvd
[09:05] <neighborlee> trey3, the icon preview is nice but its a bit slow on load time <G>
[09:05] <Cloudchaser> when i mount an smb share it takes a while to load up the dir
[09:05] <crimsun> gangalino: my use of back ticks is essential
[09:05] <gangalino> oh I see
[09:05] <trey3> bretzel: yes... its the default for XFS formatted /boot for instance...
[09:05] <crimsun> (or you could use linux-headers-$(uname -r) )
[09:05] <Pozac> or run uname -r first
[09:06] <trey3> (don't ask me why I decided to format /boot as XFS... couldn't tell ya)
[09:06] <bretzel> good then I hope it will not fails for that too :-(
[09:06] <trey3> Pozac: no... that adds another step...
[09:06] <ycco> Pozac or crimsun  You guys know how I can completely wipe my network settings and reconfigure them from scratch?
[09:06] <crimsun> ycco: yeah, you'll be cleaning out /etc/network/interfaces
[09:07] <ycco> crimsun: no worries
[09:07] <trey3> ycco: rm /etc/network/interfaces && touch /etc/network interfaces
[09:07] <trey3> although I don't recommend it
[09:07] <Pozac> hmm
[09:07] <dud> heh, the localization on my ubuntu is so majorly messed up :O
[09:07] <ycco> crimsun: I just want to start fresh like it's a new install (regarding network)
[09:07] <dud> english, norwegian bokml, norwegian nynorks, danish, and swedish
[09:07] <trey3> Pozac: regex is very handy to learn  :)
[09:07] <dud> one never know what language the next message will be in
[09:07] <crimsun> ycco: then you'll want at least lo up
[09:07] <dud> s/know/knows
[09:08] <Pozac> trench, s/handy/slow
[09:08] <ycco> crimsun: nothing I can reconfigure or something?
[09:08] <bretzel> dud: ROFL
[09:08] <ycco> dpkg-reconfigure network   or some crap.
[09:08] <ycco> heh
[09:08] <crimsun> ycco: well, it should start with at least: auto lo\niface lo inet loopback
[09:08] <neighborlee> trey3, i'm not saying we should substitute this app for nautilus but I sure love how fast 'gentoo' FM is..loads fast works fast and its VERY configurable..maybe if it had a nicer UI it might be the ticket....then again maybe they are working on speeeding up nautilus ..LOL
[09:09] <dud> ubuntu's norwegian localization is... incomplete to say the least ;)
[09:09] <Pozac> nautilus is not slow
[09:09] <neighborlee> speaking of which..how do I turn off 'icon' view of files in nautilus...??
[09:09] <crimsun> 'gentoo' rocks, as does 'rox-filer'
[09:09] <ycco> crimsun: I really don't understand any of the interface stuff.  For years I've just done:   ifconfig eth0 10.10.0.x  route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:09] <ycco> crimsun: and it's just worked.
[09:09] <neighborlee> crimsun, agreed
[09:09] <Pozac> neighborlee, in the prefs?
[09:09] <Gwildor|Work> Cloudchaser, is it any good?
[09:09] <dud> but with rosetta being a bit funky as of lately, its a bitch to translate...
[09:09] <neighborlee> Pozac, nope i've looked..can't find it
[09:09] <Cloudchaser> Gwildor|Work, the adobe reader?
[09:09] <bretzel> neighborlee: Woah! I never get successful install tries of Gentoo
[09:09] <Gwildor|Work> Cloudchaser, the pdf viewer, that is
[09:09] <neighborlee> Pozac, if its user error so be it ..but i'm not finding it :(
[09:09] <Gwildor|Work> yeah
[09:09] <neenee> hmm
[09:09] <neenee> does ubuntu have ion window manager?
[09:09] <trey3> neighborlee: they are... gnome will never use gnomba over nautilus though... nautilus does entirely too much...
[09:10] <neighborlee> bretzel, nope I mean the gentoo  file manager ;-))
[09:10] <bretzel> Gentoo Filemanager oops!
[09:10] <crimsun> ycco: I presume your can set your router/modem to hand out dhcp leases, though? (most do by default)
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> i guess so...i needed to install the plug-in to view a college catalog page...
[09:10] <Pozac> neighborlee, no 'Preview' tab ??
[09:10] <neenee> i can't even install openbox in ubuntu - nor find it with apt-cache
[09:10] <bretzel> hahaha
[09:10] <neighborlee> trey3, gnomba??
[09:10] <crimsun> presume you^, rather
[09:10] <neighborlee> trey3, yeah it does a bit too much
[09:10] <ycco> crimsun: No... I don't have that setup.
[09:10] <trey3> neighborlee: for instance... nautilus handles everything you see on the desktop thats not on a panel (icons, wallpaper etc)...
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> seemed to work fine
[09:10] <Gwildor|Work> Cloudchaser, kk, thnx, i was just getting the XP reader today, and saw it.....thnx
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> haven't played with it much..just got it yesterday
[09:10] <trey3> neighborlee: nah... it does what its meant to do... its the desktop shell...
[09:10] <ycco> crimsun: a friend helped me setup a firewall and such.... and all I do is just give the box an ip.
[09:10] <ycco> heh
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> its in the repos
[09:11] <Cloudchaser> not sure which one, but one i have installed anyway ;)
[09:11] <neighborlee> trey3, you just said it does too much
[09:11] <Cloudchaser>  sudo apt-get install acroread-plugin
[09:11] <neenee> can someone tell me why i can not find openbox with apt-cache search openbox ?
[09:11] <ycco> anyhoo..... :/
[09:11] <Cloudchaser> will get the reader too
[09:11] <trey3> neighborlee: people who consider it a file manager are terribly mislead...  it also handles error messages etc too... it does everything bash does for the terminal...
[09:11] <dud> im never buying a celeron again...
[09:11] <kent> I just started the Help program in Hoary. I must say that the gnome people have been doing some real good job! It looks very good! (2.9.3)
[09:11] <trey3> neighborlee: I said it does too much to be replaced by gnomba...
[09:11] <dud> cant wait to get my amd 64bit cpu running
[09:12] <neighborlee> trey3, that may well be but it is the defaut gnome file manager ...
[09:12] <neighborlee> trey3, and its too slow
[09:12] <Pozac> neenee, enable the universe repository
[09:12] <neenee> Pozac: ok
[09:12] <trey3> neighborlee: its not a file manager... its a desktop shell... very different...
[09:12] <crimsun> ycco: ok, then in addition to the lo iface config I typed above, you'll need: auto eth0\niface eth0 inet static\naddress 10.10.0.x\nnetmask <IP_ADDRESS>\ngateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:12] <neighborlee> trey3, I mean gez louise peeps..look how 'fast' expolorer in windows is and tell me we are even close to that useability level...at least NOT with nautilus we aren't !!
[09:13] <crimsun> ycco: presuming of course that you replace the 'x' with the integer
[09:13] <bretzel> yeah! trey3: Lilo went well!!!! but I forgot that I have winxp and I must redo lilo in the mbr of my master disk... hopefully
[09:13] <neighborlee> trey3, irrelvant since its being 'used' as one
[09:13] <trey3> neighborlee: on this box... explorer is less responsive...
[09:13] <ycco> crimsun: ok... thanks... I'm guessing this means there is no way to re-invoke the network configuration tool one was prompted with during the intstall.
[09:13] <neighborlee> trey3, then we have entirely at odds with one anther systems I guess .hahah
[09:13] <gangalino> crimsun: I'm trying to go through the vmware-installer.
[09:13] <neighborlee> trey3, hah go fig
[09:13] <Pozac> trey3, I second that
[09:14] <gangalino> it's having a problems finding the c header files
[09:14] <gangalino> check #flood for the errors
[09:14] <neighborlee> trey3, but then again explorer doesn't try to load files as icon previews as default either
[09:14] <ycco> crimsun: looking for clicky clicky or at the very worst curses based.
[09:14] <trey3> neighborlee: uhh... yes it does...
[09:14] <dud> w00t w00t!
[09:14] <neighborlee> trey3, no .it doesn't
[09:14] <bretzel> haory is starting :-) ( on my P4)
[09:14] <neighborlee> trey3, check next time your in windows
[09:14] <trey3> neighborlee: in XP it does...
[09:14] <neighborlee> no.it doens't
[09:14] <dud> i just noticed that the 'X...'ish bug with gnome-panel seems to be fixed
[09:14] <dud> wonderful
[09:15] <crimsun> ycco: I don't know of one, but that certainly doesn't exclude the existence of one. :) I've always been the conffile editing type.
[09:15] <ycco> crimsun: ahhh, no worries mate
[09:15] <neighborlee> anyway point is nautilus is slow and needs to go <
[09:15] <Pozac> neighborlee, then go use XP
[09:15] <neighborlee> ha<<..jk but I couldnt resist
[09:15] <Pozac> nautilus is not slow
[09:15] <trey3> neighborlee: it does for me on the XP box in the other room... maybe I changed something and didn't realize though?  :/
[09:15] <neenee> egh
[09:15] <neighborlee> Pozac, thats rather rude of you..and I dont appreciate it
[09:15] <crimsun> neenee: ubuntu's installer should be more straightforward
[09:15] <neighborlee> Pozac, thats a rather l33t attitude and I dont appreciaet it at all!!
[09:15] <Pozac> neighborlee, Am I ruder than you?
[09:16] <neighborlee> yes..terribly
[09:16] <neighborlee> Pozac, learn  some manners dude
[09:16] <trey3> Pozac: yes... because you personalized a statement... he is just talking out of his ass...
[09:16] <randabis-wireles> well found out what's wrong
[09:16] <neenee> crimsun: well, the installer was no problem since i knew it from debian. it's just that i had to mess with universe and such before i could get the packages i wanted
[09:16] <neighborlee> trey3, who is talking out their arse ?
[09:16] <trey3> neighborlee: you are.
[09:17] <neighborlee> trey3, how rude man
[09:17] <neenee> crimsun: as soon as i have X up and running with my settings i have a backup of, i probably won't complain anymore.
[09:17] <neighborlee> trey3, I thought 'ubuntu' was different but I guess NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <crimsun> neenee: they're separated into those repos based on support and licenses
[09:17] <trey3> neighborlee: truth is never rude.
[09:17] <neighborlee> trey3, maybe YOUR truthy
[09:17] <neighborlee> truth
[09:17] <trey3> unwanted sure... but never rude
[09:17] <neighborlee> no..just rude
[09:17] <gangalino> or trey3...
[09:17] <neenee> crimsun: i know. debian probably has the same arrangement
[09:17] <neighborlee> obviously you dont know the difference..prob.some l33t'er
[09:17] <silentcoder> moin
[09:17] <trey3> gangalino: ?  I think I missed the question?
[09:18] <foxfuz> pitti !!!!!!!!!!
[09:18] <pitti> Hi foxfuz
[09:18] <neenee> evening silentcoder
[09:18] <silentcoder> can anybody tell me what ubuntu's default firewall setup is like ? and more specifically (a) is there one ?(b) if so, how can I modify/disable it ?
[09:18] <trey3> neighborlee: why do you keep stating "l33t"? l33t people don't waste ours trying to educate others... they believe others should go RTFM
[09:18] <foxfuz> pitti, do you live in spain ?
[09:18] <neighborlee> rudeness is not a replacement for normal informative discussion...
[09:18] <pitti> silentcoder: we don't have a default firewall
[09:18] <dud> is sempron the amd 64bit cpu?
[09:18] <trey3> s/ours/hours
[09:19] <silentcoder> I'm trying to get my webcam working, took me about 6 weeks to do so
[09:19] <Vaportrail> dud no
[09:19] <gangalino> yeah, sorry, I'm trying to install vmware & it can't find the c header files. check #flood
[09:19] <Cloudchaser> ok i want to report a bug.. so i'm at the search for reported bugs...i searched on "swat" but don't see the issue i'm having
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, RTFM is SOOOOOOO RUDEEEEEEE
[09:19] <dud> Vaportrail, whats they called then?
[09:19] <Vaportrail> du sempron is a cut athlon xp with less l2cache
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, and I will NOT put up with it in #ubuntu
[09:19] <Cloudchaser> is it safe to report it then?
[09:19] <silentcoder> because the default ubuntu kernels don't work correctly with the ov518 driver
[09:19] <crimsun> gangalino: I already pointed out one issue.
[09:19] <silentcoder> now I have it
[09:19] <silentcoder> I got camsource running
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, consider yourself on report
[09:19] <silentcoder> and I can see it
[09:19] <dud> Vaportrail, are they socket A?
[09:19] <Vaportrail> athlon64 or the opteron ones
[09:19] <silentcoder> but anybody from outside is getting blocked for some reason
[09:19] <Vaportrail> dud sempron is socket A
[09:19] <trey3> neighborlee: you should try reading what I said again... thanks
[09:19] <Pozac> neighborlee, Coming to the official Ubuntu help channel and flooding away with how nautilus is SOO much slower than your beloved XP's explorer is NOT nice behavior.
[09:19] <dud> but opteron?
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, YOU will not ruin what i've come to appreciate about #ubuntu..NOT AnYTIME SOON ..get over yourself
[09:19] <bretzel> oops: * Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes!! what the heck is that ??? at the step: Configuring base-system ...
[09:19] <Vaportrail> dud but i would prefere athlon xps on socket a
[09:20] <Vaportrail> dud opteron is server 64 bit on eh socket 939 or 940?
[09:20] <silentcoder> apparently java-applets fail too however (I don't have java support) - which is odd cos they ought to be localhost connections
[09:20] <dud> 939 i believe...
[09:20] <ycco> crimsun: yeah... I'm getting packet loss is the problem.
[09:20] <neighborlee> Pozac, I gave opinions that are 'valid'..maybe you 'misunderstood' my opinions then
[09:20] <Vaportrail> dud dunno, server ones didn't interesst me much
[09:20] <ycco> what's some good wireless tools ?
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> gah
[09:20] <neighborlee> Pozac, at least I never told anyone  to RTFM
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> the damned fix didn't fix it
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> GRRRRRRr
[09:20] <neighborlee> Pozac, that is so overly rude I cant believe it
[09:20] <Pozac> neighborlee, why not read the manual?
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> gonna murder nvidia
[09:20] <trey3> neighborlee: I didn't either.
[09:21] <neighborlee> trey3, i'm ignoring you right now..tata~!~!~
[09:21] <Vaportrail> dud opteron -> socket 940 (not 939)
[09:21] <trey3> neighborlee: I said l33t people do that... whereas I have wasted nearly an hour trying to educate you a little.
[09:21] <silentcoder> pitti, could you perhaps test this URL for me ? http://<IP_ADDRESS> :9192/multipart-large
[09:21] <dud> Vaportrail, thanks, ill have to look into it a bit more i suppose
[09:21] <Vaportrail> dud normal athlon64 are 939
[09:21] <silentcoder> just to make sure it's not just my gf's box that's wonky
[09:21] <Vaportrail> no prob
[09:22] <Vaportrail> dud so eh, sempron are athlon xp -> bartons with 256 kb L2cache (bartons got 512kb)
[09:22] <trey3> Pozac: good questions require the reading of a manual... but it doesn't really help someone to state that they should do so...
[09:22] <Vaportrail> just wanted to add
[09:22] <dud> them integrated 3in1 lan/vga/sound motherboards have good linux support dont they?
[09:23] <gangalino> thx crimsun. it's still erroring though
[09:23] <crimsun> gangalino: on what?
[09:23] <dud> this vc97 intel bridge im using now is supported at least
[09:23] <ycco> wlanctl-ng  command not found.
[09:23] <trey3> Pozac: its better as a whole to just ignore those that doesn't ask educated questions rather than send them to read... because they won't anyways...
[09:23] <crimsun> ycco: hmm, packet loss? for what?
[09:23] <ycco> I did:  apt-cache search wlanctl
[09:23] <ycco> and didn't find anything
[09:23] <Vaportrail> no idea
[09:23] <dud> i guess most mobo's from the larger brands are linux supported
[09:23] <ycco> crimsun: packetloss for the wireless network card I've been trying to get working right.
[09:23] <ycco> heh
[09:23] <gangalino> crimsun: check #flood again
[09:24] <dud> msi/fic/asus/etc
[09:24] <Vaportrail> dud even asrock is
[09:24] <pitti> foxfuz: no, germany
[09:24] <pitti> silentcoder: we don't have any open ports, so we don't need a fw
[09:24] <Pozac> asrock = asus
[09:24] <foxfuz> oh ok!
[09:24] <dud> im considering getting epox, really like that brand
[09:24] <Vaportrail> jup, but the cheap line
[09:25] <dud> or possibly msi
[09:25] <Vaportrail> i meant asrock :) not epox
[09:25] <dud> dunno yet
[09:25] <dud> i figured heh
[09:25] <Vaportrail> got better experiences with msi then epox
[09:25] <dud> abit has been good in the past
[09:25] <dud> very stable...
[09:25] <Vaportrail> and good features i think
[09:26] <dud> thing is, id need a micro-atx motherboard
[09:26] <ycco> anyone know how to find out what package something like wlanctl-ng would be in?
[09:26] <dud> dont know how many 64bit amd there is...
[09:26] <Vaportrail> hmm
[09:26] <dud> ycco, try apt-cache search <whatever>
[09:26] <Vaportrail> which socket?
[09:26] <ycco> dud: tried that
[09:26] <Pozac> ycco, linux-wlan-ng
[09:26] <ycco> dud: trying to use airsnort
[09:26] <ycco> Pozac: ahhh ok
[09:26] <dud> havent decided exactly
[09:26] <Vaportrail> 4 example?
[09:26] <ycco> Pozac: you'd think that would be a dep of airsnort
[09:27] <Pozac> ycco, Searched for wlan from synaptic
[09:27] <Pozac> ycco, it's for prism2 cards?
[09:27] <Pozac> I'm using an atheros card
[09:27] <gangalino> crimsun: THX
[09:27] <ycco> Pozac: okies tx bud.
[09:28] <Pozac> ycco, if you right click airsnort in synaptic, you can see it suggests linux-wlan-ng :)
[09:28] <Pozac> np
[09:29] <ycco> k....
[09:29] <ycco> I have the Lucent Tech card
[09:29] <Pozac> dud, check out the MSI RS480M2
[09:30] <Pozac> trey3, No synaptic = No Pozac
[09:30] <ycco> keep getting, "could not set monitor mode"
[09:30] <ycco> :/
[09:30] <trey3> ycco: googling that shows a lot of entries for winmodems... please tell me its not a winmodem?  :(
[09:31] <trey3> Pozac: hah... I'm too used to apt-get and apt-cache  :)
[09:31] <ycco> trey3: me?
[09:31] <ycco> trey3: mine is a wireless card
[09:31] <ycco> heh
[09:31] <trey3> Pozac: Debian user for 3 years... never occured to me to try synaptic/aptitude etc
[09:32] <trey3> ycco: googled "lucent tech linux".... nm me  :)
[09:32] <Pozac> trey3, hmm
[09:32] <punkrockguy318> how can I install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com?
[09:32] <trey3> ycco: what does lspci say about your nic? would be a lot more useful  :)
[09:32] <Pozac> There's a lot to learn from it.
[09:32] <punkrockguy318> brb
[09:33] <trey3> punkrockguy318: apt-get install nvidia-glx  :)
[09:33] <Cloudchaser> how do i find which repo a package is in when i try to install it and get an error?
[09:33] <dud> Pozac, thanks, will do :)
[09:33] <Stew2> I want to switch my PCI card out with an AGP card. What are the steps in warty+backports?
[09:33] <ycco> trey3: wireless doesn't show up in lspci
[09:33] <trey3> Cloudchaser: apt-cache show pkg | grep Section
[09:33] <Pozac> dud, edbpriser.dk's only suggestion for microatx s939 :)
[09:34] <Cloudchaser> oh thank you trey3! :)
[09:35] <Cloudchaser> ok so a pkg in univers that has a problem doesn't get reported to ubuntu
[09:35] <Cloudchaser> it gets reported to debian sid
[09:35] <Stew2> Can anyone point me to a howto on changing a video card in Ubuntu?
[09:35] <trey3> Cloudchaser: well... its the Ubuntu build... so I'm not sure how much Debian folks would care?
[09:35] <Pozac> Stew2, Its not hard. What card is it?
[09:36] <Cloudchaser> well thats what it says in the ubuntu bug reporting page
[09:36] <Pozac> ati or nvidia?
[09:36] <Cloudchaser> Please note: packages which are found in the 'universe' repository are not supported here.
[09:36] <trey3> Cloudchaser: oh... then ignore me  ;)
[09:37] <trey3> Cloudchaser: not supported and supported by debian are not the same  ;)
[09:37] <Cloudchaser> it goes on to say to report issues to debian ;)
[09:37] <Stew2> pozac it's a pci card now, i have a 16 meg agp card to install
[09:37] <Cloudchaser> so i'll search the bugs there
[09:37] <trey3> Debian folks are kinda anal retentive about supporting packages for derivatives  :/
[09:38] <Cloudchaser> i'm new to any debian
[09:38] <Stew2> Is there a basic howto on changing a video card out on an ubuntu box?
[09:38] <Pozac> Stew2, it involves changing the 'driver' part of the Device section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:39] <neighborlee> trey3, your comment sure sounded like I should go RTFM ..if I was wrong I appologise but I truly thought from the comment ( one danger of IRC) that you were..anyway peace bro
[09:39] <Stew2> pozac can I run a video config program for X from a terminal or GNOME and tell it Vesa? then switch the card out?
[09:39] <ycco> neighborlee: good show
[09:39] <Stew2> pozac I don't know what kind of card i'm installing. Is there an autodetect?
[09:40] <trey3> Stew2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is about your best option  (replace xorg with xfree86 if warty)
[09:40] <Pozac> Stew2, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:40] <Stew2> trey3 I run that with X shut down?
[09:40] <Pozac> then you can choose vesa from the list
[09:41] <Pozac> not needed
[09:41] <trey3> Stew2: what I just said will ask you whether you want it to try autodetect
[09:41] <Pozac> it will pick it up when X is restarted
[09:41] <trey3> Stew2: doesn't really matter... just need to restart to take effect...
[09:41] <Stew2> Trey3 Pozac I also want to know how you're running xorg. I understand that's in Hoary. How do I update from warty to hoary? I already installed the backports.
[09:41] <trey3> Pozac: ahh... I'll never truely get used to sudo  :(
[09:42] <Pozac> Stew2, hoary is unstable
[09:42] <trey3> Stew2: if you don't know, you're not ready to  :)
[09:42] <Pozac> yeah
[09:42] <Stew2> trey3 I've followed the information in the ubuntu wiki. It talks about changing from sarge to hoary.
[09:42] <Ensiferum> in SATA system, am i supposed to use the CD-ROMS over SCSI/SATA drivers (they are connected in IDE channel), or over IDE drivers?
[09:43] <Stew2> trey3 pozac this isn't a critical system. I was annoyed that I had to install extra stuff (backports) just to get firefox to 1.0.x
[09:43] <Cube-ness> man..
[09:43] <Pozac> Stew2, ok, just switch 'warty' with 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:43] <Pozac> and apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[09:43] <Pozac> +/- sudo
[09:43] <Cube-ness> kernel 2.6.8 was that last one that works.. .9 and .10 both panic at boot during hotplug init
[09:44] <Stew2> pozac And wait hours over a 256k dsl connection, I bet?
[09:44] <Cube-ness> Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task! <1>Oops: 0003 [#4]
[09:44] <Cube-ness> what the heck is that!?
[09:44] <trey3> Stew2: just for kicks... cat /etc/issue
[09:44] <Cloudchaser> wow reading debian's bug faq...makes me afraid to report a bug :)
[09:45] <Pozac> Stew2, at least
[09:45] <trey3> Stew2: if that states 5.04, you are running hoary..
[09:45] <trey3> Stew2: cuz you just stated a guide told you how to switch from sarge to hoary, and you followed it...
[09:45] <Stew2> trey3 pozac It says warty. I've only installed the backports sofar. So Firefox is at least up to 1.x
[09:45] <randabis-wireles> grr
[09:46] <trey3> Stew2: ahh... ok...
[09:46] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, no luck?
[09:46] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, are you still trying for 2.6.10 ? :)
[09:47] <Stew2> trey3 I read it. I followed it with my eyes. It was a little confusing. Just cause you'all say I shouldn't switch to hoary yet... I've got to tell you, installing warty was no fun. For some reason, the fonts for X were never installed (default installation). So X wouldn't start. I had never troubleshooted X under warty/ubuntu/debian before.
[09:47] <Cloudchaser> hmm it *might* be an ubuntu problem...
[09:47] <trey3> randabis-wireles: you know... there are reasons 2.6.10 isn't already in the archive... I'm betting what you're experiencing is one such reason  ;)
[09:47] <Pozac> Stew2, download todays hoary iso and start over then :)
[09:47] <Cloudchaser> if i post the error in #flood could someone look at it?
[09:48] <dud> hmm, seems my isp loves me today
[09:48] <trey3> Cloudchaser: sure
[09:48] <Stew2> pozac would if I had some cd's and a burner. The one dude in the office with both is a little irritating. avoiding conversation.
[09:48] <dud> uploading at 80kB/s on a 256kbs upload subscription
[09:48] <Stew2> dud nice.
[09:48] <Cloudchaser> thanks ;)
[09:50] <Vaportrail> mhm
[09:51] <dud> it would be nice if xine/mplayer/etc stopped rendering video when playing movies, if you minimized it
[09:51] <dud> its not like you see anything then
[09:51] <dud> just rendering audio...
[09:51] <Pozac> dud, good point
[09:51] <Tyche> What CMS do people use here? I am liking Drupal.
[09:51] <Pozac> dud, totem too
[09:52] <trey3> Pozac: Totem = Xine
[09:52] <trey3> or gstreamer depending on build
[09:52] <Pozac> I know
[09:52] <Vaportrail> cya next time guys, I gotta go
[09:52] <dud> yeah, all movie players should have that feature
[09:52] <Pozac> but totem gets the minimize signal
[09:53] <dud> Tyche, write your own ;)
[09:53] <Ensiferum> is there info on kernel modules somewhere?
[09:53] <dud> ive written my own in the past, i think ive lost it though
[09:54] <dud> prolly lost the code in a format long time ago
[09:54] <dud> Pozac, totem stops rendering video when minimized?
[09:54] <Pozac> no
[09:54] <Pozac> but it should
[09:55] <dud> ah, ok
[09:55] <dud> yeah hehe
[09:55] <Pozac> totem tries to everything right
[09:56] <Cloudchaser> ok back here then
[09:56] <Cloudchaser> hmm warty-updates
[09:56] <Cloudchaser> do i have to do something special to get those?
[09:56] <Pozac> add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:57] <trey3> Cloudchaser: yeah... add the line (simular to the main restricted line, but with warty-updates instead of warty alone)
[09:57] <LinuxShaman> can anyone help with this, I've had to reinstall XP but it's overwritten grub, how can I get linux back?
[09:58] <trey3> LinuxShaman: you create a boot disc?
[09:58] <LinuxShaman> no
[09:58] <client3> hi hi
[09:58] <Pozac> LinuxShaman, do you have the live cd?
[09:59] <trey3> LinuxShaman: I think there is a 'rescue' option in the installer... on the first screen type f3 (I think) to see what it is exactly...
[09:59] <ZzeCoOl> LinuxShaman: hahahha great nick for your situation
[09:59] <LinuxShaman> yeah, i've got both live and install
[09:59] <Cloudchaser>  use this for the URI? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ with warty-updates as the distribution?
[10:00] <Cloudchaser> and main restricted as the section?
[10:00] <bretzel> hoary current week messed up...
[10:00] <trey3> Cloudchaser: yes... so 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-updates main restricted'
[10:01] <Cloudchaser> thanks very much :) maybe its already been fixed
[10:01] <Cloudchaser> hahaha MS is selling their own virus cleaner ;)
[10:01] <Cloudchaser> sounds like a conflict of interest to me ;)
[10:02] <trey3> Cloudchaser: wrong place to say that if you want people to care  ;)
[10:02] <Cloudchaser> nah i don't want people to care
[10:02] <Cloudchaser> i just saw it on the news and thought it was funny
[10:02] <ZzeCoOl> is there any untivirus ...that can remove "windows"
[10:02] <trey3> k good  :)
[10:02] <ZzeCoOl> ixixiixix
[10:02] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: yup... its called "Mr Clean"  :)
[10:03] <ZzeCoOl> hehe
[10:03] <Cloudchaser> i use windows only when i absolutely have to for some apps i can't get on linux, and those aren't daily apps
[10:03] <ZzeCoOl> me too
[10:04] <Cloudchaser> and i hate having to do that
[10:04] <trey3> Cloudchaser: tried Wine? I hear its getting pretty complete for anything other than games
[10:04] <Cloudchaser> yah its some mapping apps that don't work
[10:04] <Cloudchaser> garmin's mapsource
[10:04] <trey3> Well.. anything that doesn't use DirectX I should say...
[10:05] <ZzeCoOl> for directX there is cedega
[10:05] <Cloudchaser> i'll try it to see if i can at least get the maps, but i read some parts of it don't work like getting waypoints to the gps
[10:05] <LinuxShaman> not having much luck with the live cd, ideas?
[10:05] <Cloudchaser> and there are also some specialized apps that have no linux equivalents so far
[10:05] <Cloudchaser> i tried wine for them but no go
[10:06] <Cloudchaser> but if i can get the maps with waypoints to work in wine and can print the maps i can find something else to get the waypoints to the gps
[10:06] <bretzel> I need to get back to the ubuntu hoary DVD iso images I can;t remember where
[10:07] <LinuxShaman> can anyone help with this, I've had to reinstall XP but it's overwritten grub, how can I get linux back?
[10:07] <bretzel> Plase ---- I need to get back to the ubuntu hoary DVD iso images I can;t remember where
[10:07] <Cloudchaser> LinuxShaman, i read you can restore grup with the live cd
[10:07] <LinuxShaman> how?
[10:07] <Cloudchaser> grub that is
[10:08] <Cloudchaser> sec i think htere's a how-to
[10:08] <LinuxShaman> I've looked but can't find it. Do you have an URL for it?
[10:08] <trey3> LinuxShaman: install-grub /dev/hda from within livecd
[10:10] <trey3> LinuxShaman: uhh... make that 'grub-install /dev/hda' sorry
[10:10] <LinuxShaman> install-grub /dev/hda = command not found
[10:11] <bretzel> Please ---- I need to get back to the ubuntu hoary DVD iso images site  - I can't remember where
[10:11] <trey3> LinuxShaman: ^
[10:13] <bretzel> bah downloading livecd - so I will restore screwed  mbr boot chains :-)
[10:14] <trey3> bretzel: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/weekly-dvd/
[10:15] <LinuxShaman> it reports could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device
[10:15] <HauntedUnix> Er - how do I install the kernel-source in Ubuntu? :)
[10:15] <randabis-wireles> grr
[10:15] <Pozac> HauntedUnix, linux-source :)
[10:16] <Ensiferum> linux-sauce
[10:16] <sensebend> what's the advantage to a dvd install of hoary?
[10:16] <trey3> haha @ linux-sauce
[10:16] <trey3> sensebend: no idea... but thats what he asked for  :/
[10:16] <Pozac> sensebend, the same as a dvd has over cd
[10:17] <trey3> Pozac: cept that ubuntu is one cd anyways  ;)
[10:17] <Pozac> yeah well
[10:17] <Pozac> you can't get it all for free now
[10:17] <Pozac> hehe :)
[10:18] <sensebend> and the hoary dvd iso is huge 1.7GB
[10:18] <HauntedUnix> Pozac: Sorry? :)
[10:18] <trey3> sensebend: still not a full DVD   :/
[10:18] <Pozac> HauntedUnix, sudo apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:19] <HauntedUnix> Package linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:19] <HauntedUnix> This may mean that the package is missing, or has been obseleted, or is only available from another source.
[10:19] <trey3> Pozac: regex is your friend... sudo apt-get install linux-source-'uname -r' is safer to recommend than what you said...
[10:19] <HauntedUnix> trey3: That just plain doesn't work.
[10:19] <Pozac> thats not a regular expression, trey3
[10:20] <randabis-wireles> yay
[10:20] <HauntedUnix> and it'd be `uname -r`, no?
[10:20] <randabis-wireles> fixed the nforce drivers
[10:20] <Pozac> yeh
[10:20] <HauntedUnix> anyway, Pozac  - that's what's returned.
[10:20] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, congrats :)
[10:20] <ZzeCoOl> and i have fixed the new ATi drivers
[10:20] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[10:20] <LinuxShaman> not having any luck with the grub-install command, ideas?
[10:21] <randabis-wireles> it was some script errors that broke it for 2.6.10
[10:21] <Pozac> HauntedUnix, I figured you ran warty release :) Try searching for linux-source in synaptic
[10:21] <trey3> HauntedUnix: works better than linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> would for a 2.6.9 or 10 kernel  :/
[10:21] <HauntedUnix> the `uname -r` doesn't work due to the rather elaboratly named kernel-sources
[10:21] <ZzeCoOl> guys lets someone plz help LinuxShaman...
[10:21] <ZzeCoOl> he is trying very hard some hours now
[10:22] <HauntedUnix> Pozac: CD isn't marked with version - the kernel I'm running is the <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386. :) I've never used synaptic, or any deb based distros (exception of DEbian Woody) - I need the kernel-source to get ndiswrapper working,then all will be well :)
[10:22] <NaillL> hi all
[10:22] <Pozac> LinuxShaman, mount your boot partition on /boot
[10:22] <LinuxShaman> how do I do that?
[10:23] <aardvark> ?
[10:23] <Pozac> do you have a boot partition, LinuxShaman ?
[10:23] <trey3> Pozac: thats where I stopped helping... he likely only has /dev/hda1 as / due to default in installer... not sure what that would do to livecd... and dunno how to direct grub-install at another location?
[10:23] <Pozac> ok
[10:23] <Pozac> 2 things
[10:23] <Pozac> mount /dev/hda1 in /mnt/somewhere and copy files to /boot
[10:24] <Pozac> or chroot /mnt/somewhere /bin/bash
[10:24] <Pozac> chroot'ing creates problems with /dev
[10:24] <trey3> Pozac: good idea  :)
[10:24] <neofeed> LOL!
[10:25] <neofeed> okay I guess many of you know MTV's `Pimp my Ride'... now MTV Germany broadcasts: 'Pimp my Bike'
[10:25] <randabis> yay
[10:25] <randabis> brb
[10:26] <NaillL> =)
[10:26] <ZzeCoOl> pimp my bike?
[10:26] <ZzeCoOl> and what they acualy doing?
[10:27] <Pozac> how much can a bike be pimped?
[10:27] <Pozac> pimps dont ride bicycles
[10:27] <ZzeCoOl> take a B.M.X. and turn it into a choper?
[10:27] <ZzeCoOl> davatziliki
[10:27] <ZzeCoOl> haha
[10:28] <ngh> hi there, I just tried ubuntu live and it rocks, congrats, but I installed the iso in my laptop now and everything went fine but wont load the gui because some undetected display modes
[10:28] <ngh> what do I need to edit? the live CD worked fine
[10:28] <trey3> Pozac: thats the noun 'pimp'... ;)
[10:28] <ZzeCoOl> strange i have never made live cd work ...but iso work smoothly :>
[10:28] <nuopus> HauntedUnix: I got it worker easily ... just get the headers
[10:28] <HauntedUnix> nuopus: turns out I don't have gcc installed either 8)
[10:29] <trey3> Pozac: anything good can be said to be 'pimp'
[10:29] <trey3> Pozac: its the hip hop version of 'rocks'  ;)
[10:29] <nuopus> here is what you install
[10:29] <Pozac> trey3, hmm.. if you do root (hd0,0) from grub.. perhaps it picks up the right partition then?
[10:29] <ngh> the live cd loaded great on my laptop
[10:29] <ZzeCoOl> trey3: we are not native speakers :)
[10:29] <nuopus> HauntedUnix: Go into a console and type apt-get install build-essential
[10:29] <ngh> but not the final installation
[10:29] <ZzeCoOl> trey3: thanx for the infos
[10:29] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[10:29] <nuopus> HantedUnix: that will get you the build tools you need
[10:29] <HauntedUnix> nuopus: thanks very much
[10:30] <trey3> Pozac: prior issue was that without /boot mounted... grub-install couldn't find it... said bad block or not found or something...
[10:30] <nuopus> Then .... go into synaptic and search for linux-header
[10:30] <Pozac> trey3, I know. But even hiphoppers find pimps to be the pimpest
[10:30] <xhypno> hello room!
[10:30] <Ensiferum> is there a way to see the config options of the installed kernel? :|
[10:30] <HauntedUnix> nuopus: got it setup now - thanks 8)
[10:30] <ZzeCoOl> hello
[10:30] <ngh> how can I fix this?
[10:30] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: you're welcome  :)
[10:30] <nuopus> install the same header for the linux-image that you are using and it will work
[10:30] <nuopus> ok
[10:31] <trey3> Pozac: I am a "hiphopper"... just sharing our slang a little  :)
[10:31] <nuopus> trey?
[10:31] <nuopus> From Arizona?
[10:31] <randabis> this is kinda annoying
[10:31] <randabis> xchat isn't saving my settings
[10:31] <trey3> nuopus: sup Chris  :)
[10:31] <nuopus> LOL
[10:31] <nuopus> sup
[10:31] <randabis> it is on the wireless box, but not on this one
[10:31] <trey3> nodda... hows break  :)
[10:31] <nuopus> no break at all. Working at the office right now
[10:32] <Pozac> trey3, but they said it in MTV Germany?
[10:32] <trey3> nuopus: ahh... shitty  :(
[10:32] <nuopus> setting up a Linux VPN for Wallstreet group
[10:32] <trey3> nuopus: sounds like fun  :)
[10:32] <nuopus> boring stuff... just watching the kernel compile .. zzzzz
[10:32] <trey3> nuopus: FreeNX?  :)
[10:32] <nuopus> No ... VPN
[10:32] <ngh> the error is something like "ror:not display mode detected" and when it finish loading it tries to load the gui and after that it says it wontload gdm for now unti is fixed
[10:33] <nuopus> OpenSWAN
[10:33] <trey3> Never played with it  :(
[10:33] <randabis> I don't get it :(
[10:33] <strangequark> is there a german ubuntu channel too?
[10:33] <ngh> anyone please?
[10:33] <Pozac> #ubuntu-de perhaps?
[10:33] <nuopus> trey3: Most people would not need it
[10:35] <nuopus> trey3: You should check out the office
[10:35] <trey3> nuopus: where it even at?
[10:35] <nuopus> trey3: The bank of america building on alma school on the 7th floor
[10:36] <ngh> please?
[10:36] <nuopus> I can't believe we got an office in a big building filled with financial people and lawyers. We stand out wearing jeans and t-shirts while everyone else is wearing suits!
[10:36] <niandertal_> can any1 tell me the root default password?
[10:37] <trey3> nuopus: hah... yeah... I couldn't imagine you in a suite  ;)
[10:37] <nuopus> niandertal_: Root is disabled by default
[10:37] <niandertal_> :(
[10:37] <nuopus> niandertal_: You should use sudo for most things
[10:37] <nuopus> niandertal_: But in the instance where you absolutely must have root .... type sudo passwd
[10:37] <niandertal_> how can i use apt-get?
[10:37] <nuopus> and it will ask you for your new root password ... jsut remember to lock it after you are through
[10:38] <trey3> Pozac: bah
[10:38] <Pozac> or keep it
[10:38] <niandertal_> hmm
[10:38] <nuopus> sudo apt-get install *package*
[10:38] <niandertal_> kk
[10:38] <niandertal_> thks a lot
[10:38] <randabis> yessir
[10:38] <randabis> remember you can use synaptic also
[10:38] <nuopus> ya
[10:38] <nuopus> have any of you used Smartpm?
[10:38] <niandertal_> dont like synaptic
[10:39] <nuopus> it successfully lets you use the warty repositories along with the hoary ones
[10:39] <randabis> that's fine, just wasn't sure if you knew
[10:40] <trey3> nuopus: easier than simply pinning?
[10:40] <nuopus> niandertal_: if you use console a lot like I do .... use aptitude
[10:40] <nuopus> trey3: pinning?
[10:40] <niandertal_> I prefer apt-get
[10:40] <niandertal_> lol
[10:41] <niandertal_> well
[10:41] <nuopus> niandertal_: You are difficult. lol
[10:41] <niandertal_> g2g
[10:41] <niandertal_> :)
[10:41] <niandertal_> cya
[10:41] <nuopus> cya
[10:42] <trey3> nuopus: sets priorities on repositories... pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg006
[10:42] <trey3> 59.html
[10:42] <nuopus> oh that is what you meant
[10:42] <nuopus> ya its easier
[10:43] <HauntedUnix> Sorry if I'm asking FAQ questions, but how can I enable web-sources for apt? 8) (Is there a good FAQ, if it's covered in the topic, you're welcome to slap me)
[10:43] <nuopus> because it lets you assign priorities to repos and individual packages ... so if I want a package from a specific repo it will update from that one since it is higher priority
[10:44] <trey3> nuopus: apt can do that too  ;)
[10:44] <nuopus> hmmmmm didnt know that about apt
[10:44] <trey3> nuopus: most don't look that much into apt  :(
[10:45] <nuopus> but ... I did get brave and tried to get portage working in ubuntu
[10:45] <nuopus> do you know what happened?
[10:45] <trey3> nuopus: hah... how'd that go?  :P
[10:45] <Cloudchaser> hmm i might try out aptitude ;) just googled for it to see what it was
[10:45] <nuopus> I ended up with a gentoo system
[10:45] <nuopus> lol
[10:45] <trey3> Cloudchaser: its already installed...
[10:45] <nuopus> with script errors on boot
[10:45] <nuopus> but it worked
[10:45] <trey3> nuopus: yay  :)
[10:46] <nuopus> LOL I got rid of it
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> ah i usually use apt-get etc...i'll try out the aptitude though
[10:46] <ngh> hi
[10:46] <nuopus> it was on my test machine so I am trying ProMEPIS .... still ubuntu all the way on lap though
[10:46] <trey3> nuopus: been looking at Mepis... nothing that interesting about it though for me...
[10:46] <ngh> this is the exact error it gives: "ror: Temporary failure in name resolution" anyone knows what this means?
[10:47] <nuopus> I just don't like it because it is KDE ... but im not trying it for me
[10:48] <trey3> nuopus: its nice that it includes java/flash/media plugins by default... I don't like the config tools much from what I have seen of them... other then that... yeah... its Debian's KDE...
[10:48] <nuopus> looking for something to suggest for people preferring a kde istro
[10:48] <trey3> With all 400+ bugs (last I checked)
[10:48] <nuopus> but I am gnome all the way
[10:48] <Cloudchaser> interesting
[10:48] <NaillL> kde with prelink is quite fast thing...but for example nautilus caching images while you watching them.....faster
[10:48] <nuopus> well ... except for xfce on another box
[10:49] <trey3> nuopus: I want to try 4.2...
[10:49] <nuopus> trey3: it is very nice
[10:49] <trey3> nuopus: still haven't gotten around to it though  :(
[10:49] <nuopus> that is what I use
[10:50] <ngh> just tell me what file to edit and or how please
[10:50] <nuopus> You want a repo with it?
[10:50] <trey3> ngh: whatst he output of 'echo $DISPLAY ?
[10:51] <trey3> nuopus: sure... can try it next time hoary breaks :P
[10:52] <snow_> how do you excute programs in linux?
[10:52] <snow_> hello anyone here?
[10:52] <Cloudchaser> oh boy snow...
[10:52] <Cloudchaser> well
[10:52] <gorby> lo, i had a second monitor plugged in the other day and i could switch to it with a function key+f4, what is it controlling that?
[10:52] <Cloudchaser> what program?
[10:53] <snow_> xplane
[10:53] <Cloudchaser> at command line try typing "xplane"?
[10:53] <HauntedUnix> So - any good faqs on setting up web-sources for apt? 8)
[10:53] <izaac> how can i burn a .mdf image?
[10:53] <gsuveg> in hoary use patched xorg ?
[10:53] <snow_> well I know what hte file is called, but it doesn't do anything when I type it
[10:53] <nuopus> deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
[10:53] <nuopus> deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
[10:53] <trey3> izaac: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data blah.mdf
[10:53] <nuopus> trey3: Add those
[10:54] <nuopus> well ... not the deb-src since I know how you re so much against compiling! :-)
[10:54] <izaac> trey3: it is a supported format in cdrecord?
[10:54] <trey3> izaac: --data denotes raw burn... doesn't matter format...
[10:54] <gorby> izaac: it could be anything really, is it < 800 mb?
[10:54] <ngh> I do echo $DISPLAY but nothing happens ??
[10:54] <Cloudchaser> snow did you just install it?
[10:54] <nuopus> ngh: It shoudl have said :0.0 or something
[10:54] <erik_il_rosso> hello to all
[10:54] <nite_fly_work> wake makes ubuntu soo great
[10:54] <izaac> gorby: it is an DVD image
[10:55] <snow_> it just says 'bash: X-Plane-803-athlon-xp: command not found'
[10:55] <snow_> well I untared it, isn't that the same thing?
[10:55] <izaac> trey3: thank you
[10:55] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: Released every 6 months ... and the only distro that updages GNOME so fast
[10:55] <Cloudchaser> not necessarily you may have to compile it and whatnot
[10:55] <snow_> oh great, how do I do that?
[10:55] <Cloudchaser> where you uncompressed it
[10:55] <Cloudchaser> is there now a directory of the smae name?
[10:56] <snow_> yes
[10:56] <Cloudchaser> where'd you get it from?
[10:56] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: If you like gnome ... then you will like ubuntu. When 2.10 comes out we will be the first to use it ... well .. short of people compiling it from source
[10:56] <snow_> x-plane website
[10:56] <Cloudchaser> url?
[10:56] <gio1322328_> hello
[10:56] <gio1322328_> all
[10:56] <Cloudchaser> also cd to the dir it made
[10:56] <snow_> www.xplane.com I belive
[10:57] <snow_> sorry www.x-plane.com
[10:57] <gorby> do i have to use the ati binaries to get the svideo out working on my laptop?
[10:57] <gio1322328_> is the ubuntu linux a complete distribution ?
[10:57] <Cloudchaser> see if there are things like "configure" and makefile and such
[10:57] <strangequark> question: i have yet installed ubuntu 4.10 - How can i make a Link on my desktop to a directory?
[10:57] <Cloudchaser> also see if there's a README
[10:57] <nite_fly_work> what platform is it based off of ?
[10:57] <snow_> yeah there's a readme
[10:58] <Cloudchaser> ok "cat README | more
[10:58] <snow_> ok, so cd donesn't mean a physical cd?
[10:58] <Cloudchaser> should tell you how to install it
[10:58] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: It is based on debian
[10:58] <nite_fly_work> does apt-get work ?
[10:58] <nite_fly_work> and apt-cache
[10:58] <Cloudchaser> if you haven't complied anything so far you may need to install the files to compiles
[10:58] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: of course .. it is based on debian
[10:58] <trey3> strangequark: ln -s thefolder ~/.Desktop
[10:58] <nite_fly_work> soo what makes it better then debian gnome ?
[10:59] <nite_fly_work> more user friendly >?
[10:59] <trey3> strangequark: ln -s thefolder ~/.Desktop/ *
[10:59] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: Because debian gnome is so damn old
[10:59] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: errr .. outdated
[10:59] <Cloudchaser> snow i'm not sure what they're called but someone here can tell you i'm sure
[10:59] <strangequark> how can i make a link on my desktop to a directory
[10:59] <snow_> it says cd into the dirctory where it's installed and then run the binary corresponding to your architecture
[10:59] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: they will get gnome 2.10 packages months after ubuntu release
[10:59] <Cloudchaser> brb someone at the door
[10:59] <trey3> nuopus: bah... 2.8 was uploaded to sid a while ago... 2.9 is in experimental I think...
[10:59] <nuopus> trey3: a few months after it was released
[11:00] <gio1322328_> can someone tell me if ubuntu is only 1 cd ?
[11:00] <crash3m> HauntedUnix: ask here :P
[11:00] <nite_fly_work> ill be back later gotta leave work :)
[11:00] <trey3> nuopus: 12 archs to support takes a while  :(
[11:00] <nite_fly_work> nuopus, nice meeting yeah
[11:00] <trey3> gio1322328_: yes
[11:00] <nuopus> trey3: and they make their own modifications to gnome. for example they moved all icons to menus on the panel ... along with trash
[11:00] <nuopus> errr ... that was actually directed at nite_fly_work
[11:00] <nuopus> lol
[11:00] <gio1322328_> why other linux have 4 or more cd?
[11:01] <trey3> nuopus: those are the *true* differences  :)
[11:01] <strangequark> how can i make a link to a directory on my desktop?
[11:01] <erik_il_rosso> some ppc user?
[11:01] <nite_fly_work> nuopus, got it :P
[11:01] <HauntedUnix> I'm wondering if you _can_ setup web-apt sources.. ooer
[11:01] <nite_fly_work> take it easy bbl
[11:01] <gio1322328_> ciao erik
[11:01] <nuopus> gio1322328_: because instead of having you download packages .... they give them to you on the CDs
[11:01] <Frossi> I was wondering that can I remove some applications from the taskbar, like xmms, so it would be open but that it wouldn't be in the taskbar. I hope u know what I mean.
[11:01] <erik_il_rosso> i have installed ubuntu on my ibook but i have trouble with java
[11:02] <nuopus> trey3: Especially with an environment I like ... I don't want to wait for the RELEASE of it 5 months down the road.
[11:02] <nuopus> trey3: I would MUCH rather use garnome and compile on my own
[11:02] <trey3> nuopus: jhbuild > garnome  :P
[11:03] <nuopus> but that is why I like ubuntu ... they release to coincide with the gnome release and I dont have to compile or wait for debian to send the package down the archs
[11:03] <trey3> nuopus: but still :)
[11:03] <snow_> what does the command "./" mean?
[11:03] <gio1322328_> well...i m trying to install ubuntu on my laptop
[11:03] <nuopus> snow_: It says to look in the current directory
[11:03] <trey3> snow_: it points to current dir
[11:03] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: what problem?
[11:04] <snow_> it says illegal command when I do that
[11:04] <nuopus> dont do ./ by itself
[11:04] <nuopus> wait
[11:04] <nuopus> make sure you are in the dir with the executable
[11:04] <snow_> ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp  doesn't work
[11:04] <nuopus> are you trying to run x-plane?
[11:04] <blackbirdXXX> Hello. I have a little problem
[11:04] <snow_> yes
[11:04] <erik_il_rosso> i don't find java for linux ppc
[11:05] <trey3> snow_: just for kicks... in the xplane dir... do ls | grep configure and tell me if it returns anything...
[11:05] <nuopus> snow_ have you unpacked it yet?
[11:05] <blackbirdXXX> My soundcard doesn't work since a new compile of freetype2
[11:05] <nuopus> trey3: It is binary
[11:05] <nuopus> trey3: It is a software demo
[11:05] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: wait a sec, i'm gonna boot my ibook in ubuntu to check how i fixed it :-)
[11:05] <snow_> that didn't do anything
[11:05] <mistic> brb
[11:05] <snow_> yes I've untared it
[11:06] <nuopus> then CD to the directory that was created
[11:06] <erik_il_rosso> ok thanks
[11:06] <blackbirdXXX> No one can help me?
[11:06] <nuopus> should be like XLIN803 right?
[11:06] <snow_> i'm in that directory, it's called games/X-System-803
[11:06] <trey3> blackbirdXXX: that makes no sense... freetype2 relates to fonts...
[11:06] <nuopus> do you see the executable?
[11:06] <blackbirdXXX> I know.
[11:06] <snow_> they are green right?
[11:06] <nuopus> if the executable file is called xplane ....
[11:07] <nuopus> ya
[11:07] <nuopus> is there a green xplane?
[11:07] <blackbirdXXX> But after the reboot the sound was off
[11:07] <snow_> yes, there are several
[11:07] <nuopus> well ... just xplane
[11:07] <nuopus> then just type ./xplane
[11:07] <nuopus> or whatever the filename is
[11:07] <snow_> yes and it returns illegal command
[11:08] <nuopus> snow_: remember linux is case sensitive. If the X is capital you must type ./Xplane
[11:08] <dud> arg, this slow dvd burning is annoying :(
[11:08] <gio1322328_> wow it lives...:D
[11:09] <blackbirdXXX> Ok. thx
[11:09] <nuopus> dud: were you expecting faster?
[11:09] <dud> i have a frikkin brand new benq 16x dvd burner, and its giving me 1,6x hehe
[11:09] <NaillL> K3b is the best prog for burning
[11:09] <zAo^> ;-)
[11:09] <dud> using k3b
[11:09] <snow_> yes I've typed it exsactly as it's writen
[11:09] <nuopus> it sucks for some dvd burners
[11:09] <trey3> dud: hah... default speed is 4 or something... 'speed=*blah*' would have sped it up  :P
[11:09] <dud> but even just pure command line growisofs gives the same speed
[11:09] <nuopus> dud: There is a bug with some dvd burners in k3b .... and it default to 1x
[11:09] <zAo^> Who tried to copy MP3 files to hier Sony NW-E 95/99 ??
[11:10] <nuopus> that is why I stopped using it ....
[11:10] <dud> nuopus, its like that in growisofs as well
[11:10] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: it'll take some time, fell asleep next to it yesterday and now it has some problems with the HD
[11:10] <dud> been hearing in #k3b that ubuntu can be slow on dvd burning for some unknown reason
[11:10] <nuopus> dud: I use xcdroast now perfectly ... and it burns fast
[11:10] <HauntedUnix> Anyone know what package smbmount is in? I thought it was in 'smbfs', but I get "Package smbfs is not available, but is referred to by another package.".
[11:10] <Cloudchaser> snow_, what does the readme tell you?
[11:10] <nuopus> dud: It was slow like that in Gentoo also ... it is not an ubuntu problem
[11:10] <snow_> RUNNING X-SYSTEM **************************************************************
[11:10] <snow_> The X-System apps are very easy to get running. cd into the directory in which
[11:10] <snow_> X-System is stored, and then run the binary corresponding to your architecture.
[11:10] <snow_> For example, if you are on an Athlon XP machine:
[11:10] <nuopus> it is an "k3b sucks for burning on some dvds" problem. lol
[11:11] <snow_> $ cd x-system/
[11:11] <snow_> $ ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp
[11:11] <snow_> IMPORTANT: X-System will NOT run outside of its directory.
[11:11] <zAo^> dud, I use k3b on Debian Sarge with my NEC 2500A; it burns perfectly.
[11:11] <Cloudchaser>  $ ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp
[11:11] <Cloudchaser> thats what you need to do then
[11:11] <dud> ill give xcdroast a try
[11:11] <Cloudchaser> cd to x-system
[11:11] <nuopus> I said "some"
[11:11] <dud> but can it burn dvd-data and dvd-video?
[11:11] <nuopus> it burns berfectly on my test system
[11:11] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, I dont recommend aptitutde for anything..synaptic hasn't let me down yet and its the 'easy' route for everyone else ...aptitude doesnt even have a gui faik so its out of my use category <G>
[11:11] <trey3> HauntedUnix: smbclient
[11:11] <nuopus> there is a bug for the slow dvd burning in k3b in bugzilla
[11:11] <zAo^> yes you can dud
[11:11] <Cloudchaser> and run that command as it says to do..you have athlon?
[11:12] <snow_> yes, and it returns'illegal command'
[11:12] <HauntedUnix> trey3: got that, don't have 'smbmount' though
[11:12] <shmoolik> can i overwirte a symbolic link and if i can what do i need to add to this command ... sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[11:12] <snow_> i have an AMD 1.4ghz
[11:12] <gorby> can you get special modules for ati mobility chips?
[11:12] <zAo^> almost forgot that: this is the 'sudo'-channel :P
[11:13] <nuopus> dud: yes
[11:13] <nuopus> dud: can do data
[11:13] <Cloudchaser> snow can you make sure that file is executable?
[11:13] <zAo^> gorby, as far as I know; there is one module: fglrx; the crap one..
[11:13] <dud> hmm, ok
[11:13] <nuopus> video I never tried
[11:13] <snow_> how do I make sure, it's green
[11:13] <Cloudchaser> do ls -al in the dir where the command is
[11:13] <nuopus> dud: it is just different than using other burning software.
[11:13] <shmoolik> Cloudchaser, thanks
[11:13] <snow_> -al returns command not found
[11:14] <Cloudchaser> ls -al?
[11:14] <snow_> oh hang on
[11:14] <Cloudchaser> shmoolik, thanks for what?
[11:14] <snow_> ok there's along list of stuff
[11:14] <dud> but what i dont understand, if its a k3b bug, how come the exact same thing happens when i use only growisofs?
[11:14] <dud> how can it be a k3b bug then?
[11:15] <nuopus> dud: maybe its a growfs bug
[11:15] <shmoolik> Cloudchaser,   nothingy ... =\
[11:15] <dud> but xcdroast uses growisofs too dont it?
[11:15] <Cloudchaser> look for: X-Plane-803-athlon-xp
[11:15] <zAo^> I had some familiar probs on Sarge; I installed an older version of growfs, now my probs are solved
[11:15] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: i used the j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin installer and that works here
[11:15] <nuopus> dud: no
[11:15] <dud> oh, i see
[11:16] <zAo^> mistic, you got an URL?
[11:16] <nuopus> dud: it uses prodvd
[11:16] <snow_> ok i see it
[11:16] <trey3> shmoolik: no, you can't overwrite symlinks... must remove and re-link...
[11:16] <mistic> zAo^: i got that from a tutorial on the forums
[11:16] <ogra> trey3: mv is your friend ;)
[11:17] <Cloudchaser> snow you have to cd to the dir that matches your architecture
[11:17] <mistic> so if you just follow that one, only thing that doesn't really work is the mplayer thing, as soon as my exams are over i'll figure that one out
[11:17] <trey3> ogra: ahh... whats up  :)   heh... in the case of Java though, no need to keep the old one  :)
[11:17] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, I need to try xplane ..sounds fun
[11:17] <mistic> its named 'tweaking your fresh ubuntu' or something like that
[11:17] <ogra> trey3: true... i just stepped in....
[11:17] <Cloudchaser> then run the command just like this: ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp         if you have an athlon
[11:18] <ZzeCoOl> hey when i start wine my monitor turn blanc and i have to restart my pc??? is there anything i can do to fix that?
[11:18] <Cloudchaser> you have to be in the dir to run the command
[11:18] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: :)
[11:18] <mistic> ZzeCoOl: don't start wine :)
[11:18] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl, at least you can restart X ;-)
[11:18] <zAo^> tried cedega?
[11:18] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[11:18] <zAo^> ? :)
[11:19] <ZzeCoOl> yes but getright doesnt working with cedega
[11:19] <ZzeCoOl> so i have to remove wine though?
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl> i want something like getright for linux or a way to emulated getright in linux
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl> i prefere the second
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl> thats way i tryied wine
[11:20] <dud> ZzeCoOl, aria is like getright
[11:21] <dud> only much better ;
[11:21] <dud> ;)
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> are u sure?
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> im going to test it right now
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> ?:>
[11:22] <mistic> ZzeCoOl: most of the time the linux-counterparts of applications involving internet/network are a lot better then the windows-versions because linux is just so f*cking great at networking
[11:23] <trey3> dud: tried prozilla?
[11:24] <ben_d> ZzeCoOl: try d4l Download for Linux
[11:24] <trey3> or aget... nice... but cli  :/
[11:25] <ZzeCoOl> listen this one.... there are 2 pc in my network ....when i copy paste from mounted samba partitions i only get 900 kb/sec (it is a wireless lan) but when i set up an ftp server in the windows machine and take the file using linux and firefox i get 1.9 mb/sec.... where is the problem ...is there something that i can setup in samba?
[11:25] <kezz> could just be that smb sux
[11:26] <ZzeCoOl> maybe
[11:26] <falc> where do I need to put an .Xdefaults file with emacs customizations?
[11:26] <ZzeCoOl> smb my ass after all
[11:26] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[11:29] <falc> anybody? I'm only asking because everfy website I find tells me to put it in ~ but that doesn't work
[11:29] <zAo^> fabbione, I think in ~
[11:29] <erik_il_rosso> anyone have a ppc linux ubuntu system?
[11:29] <kezz> erik_il_rosso, yes
[11:29] <zAo^> falc, ~ is you homedir egg /home/zao
[11:30] <Cloudchaser> ZzeCoOl, not sure if this will help you or not but i saw this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9792&highlight=samba
[11:30] <erik_il_rosso> i have some trouble, i don't find a java vm for my system
[11:31] <zAo^> http://www4.vc-net.ne.jp/~klivo/sim/javalinux.htm
[11:31] <trey3> erik_il_rosso: you installed the .bin?
[11:31] <ZzeCoOl> thanx anyway
[11:31] <zAo^> just installed it ^^
[11:31] <falc> I know, I have an .Xdefaults in my home, containing emacs customizations, which are completely ignored
[11:31] <erik_il_rosso> where i found java for powerpc?
[11:31] <HauntedUnix> What plugin do I have to have to play mp3 files? I've got glame, not sure what else.
[11:32] <erik_il_rosso> gstream-mad
[11:32] <kezz> gstreamer-mad* (i think)
[11:32] <sensebend> HauntedUnix, it's in universe, you'll need to enable the repository if you haven't
[11:32] <zAo^> erik_il_rosso, I told you! http://www4.vc-net.ne.jp/~klivo/sim/javalinux.htm
[11:32] <sensebend> yeah kezz is right
[11:32] <sensebend> or XMMS
[11:32] <HauntedUnix> sensebend: just enabled it now, thanks
[11:32] <sensebend> you're welcome
[11:33] <HauntedUnix> Thanks kezz, erik_il_rosso, too 8)
[11:33] <trey3> HauntedUnix: gstreamer0.8-mad or gstreamer0.8-lame
[11:33] <zAo^> falc, tried root's home?
[11:34] <zAo^> after that maybe you need to restart gdm
[11:34] <trey3> zAo^: why would that help? (putting it another users ~)
[11:34] <erik_il_rosso> zao this is for intel, i don't have problem to install java on intel system, i have problem with my ibook a powerpc system
[11:34] <zAo^> trey3, root starts GDM, thats why
[11:35] <zAo^> erik_il_rosso, sorry, thought you would find the source there. NFI
[11:35] <sap> my thinkpad  crashes when running under battery (it takes a while though, over an hour before it locks up). I thought the problem was acpi related so I removed the acpi module, but it still crashes.
[11:35] <Tomcat_> Is it a good idea to add /etc/acpi/power.sh to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc?
[11:35] <zAo^> sap, tried apmd ?
[11:35] <sap> zAo^: nope
[11:36] <trey3> zAo^: I thought GDM used /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default?
[11:37] <trey3> zAo^: ie didn't really care who starts it...
[11:37] <sap> is there anything I can look at (log etc)  to get some idea about what might be causing the problem?
[11:38] <dud> xcdroast doesnt really seem sane...
[11:38] <dud> max write speed of 92x :O
[11:38] <dud> and the only write mode it is able to do it RAW
[11:38] <dud> no DAO or TAO
[11:39] <ZzeCoOl> mistic: omg aria have the most stupid fonts i have ever see
[11:39] <xav_> hi
[11:39] <karim> I was telling my self that the password prompt on sudo is useless for my user account, because it would not make a difference for me that somebody do a sudo rm -fr / or a rm -fr ~/ in my back
[11:40] <xav_> I've just made a fresh ubuntu install, but I've already some problems
[11:40] <karim> what is your opinion about that ? :)
[11:40] <xav_> totem hangs when I launch it
[11:40] <trey3> xav_: run from terminal and tell is what it says.
[11:41] <xav_> ** (totem:6864): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, systemstream=(boolean)false
[11:41] <xav_> ** (totem:6864): WARNING **: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1
[11:41] <dud> whats prodvd support in xcdroast?
[11:41] <ZzeCoOl> try totem-xine
[11:42] <trey3> xav_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats under "Where to get DVDCSS/xvid/other legally questionable packages"
[11:42] <Tomcat_> What script starts the X server? xserver-xfree86 sets ups directories and sockets, gdm only starts gdm?
[11:42] <trey3> Not sure why that would be making totem crash though?
[11:43] <xav_> hmm the first time it worked
[11:43] <xav_> I tried to play a movie
[11:43] <xav_> and since that, it crashed each time
[11:43] <trey3> Tomcat_: /etc/X11/Xsession by default...
[11:43] <xav_> hmm and it seems rythmbox crash too
[11:44] <xav_> I already read this page
[11:44] <Tomcat_> trey3: Who calls Xsession then? :o
[11:44] <xav_> but I've troubles too :)
[11:45] <trey3> Tomcat_: the X executable I presume?  :/
[11:45] <Tomcat_> trey3: That's the question... I really want to know how X gets started after boot...
[11:46] <trey3> Tomcat_: ahh... /etc/init.d/gdm  :)
[11:46] <Tomcat_> So gdm starts X? :o
[11:46] <Tomcat_> Okay then... :)
[11:46] <trey3> Tomcat_: cat /etc/init.d/gdm  :/
[11:47] <Tomcat_> trey3: That only starts the gdm binary, and the man page won't tell me if the binary starts the X server...
[11:47] <Tomcat_> I just hope I can add something to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to get executed just after the X server starts...
[11:47] <xav_> I can't fine xine
[11:47] <xav_> it's normal?
[11:48] <xav_> find
[11:48] <Ensiferum> trey3: i found the reason for my problem!
[11:48] <Tomcat_> xav_: Yeah, it's somewhere in universe or multiverse
[11:48] <xav_> I added marillat and cerkinfo rep
[11:48] <xav_> in synaptic
[11:48] <xav_> it added some package like libdvdcss but not xine
[11:48] <xav_> I added multiverse too
[11:48] <Tomcat_> xav_: Did you also add Ubuntu universe and multiverse?
[11:49] <xav_> not universe
[11:49] <Tomcat_> xine-ui is universe.
[11:49] <IBOIC> can ubuntu work off the bsd core instead of linux ? :)
[11:49] <trey3> Tomcat_: you can... or even just state new things in ~/.xsession  ;)
[11:49] <IBOIC> a ubuntu verison of bsd would be sweet
[11:50] <IBOIC> linux is too disorganized
[11:50] <IBOIC> patches here, there
[11:50] <IBOIC> no engineering model
[11:51] <xav_> Tomcat_, thanks a lot
[11:52] <zAo^> my box fiels 'laggy', though I have direct rendering; will a costum kernel solve my problem (XP 2100, 1GB, Radeon 9600 Pro) ?
[11:52] <trey3> IBOIC: doubtful... udev for example wouldn't work... discover doesn't work on bsd's... neither does hotplug... list goes on...
[11:53] <trey3> IBOIC: Debian is being ported to NetBSD and FreeBSD though...   :/
[11:53] <IBOIC> hmmm
[11:53] <zAo^> trey3, under what name?
[11:53] <IBOIC> trey3:  see i like bsd
[11:53] <IBOIC> i know the world seems to be fixated on linux
[11:54] <IBOIC> i wish there would be a more consumer friendly bsd
[11:54] <IBOIC> using the bsd code and adding on to it
[11:54] <IBOIC> would like competition
[11:54] <AndyR> its called OS X :)
[11:54] <zAo^> no1 on my 'kernel-question'?
[11:54] <trey3> zAo^: http://www.debian.org/ports/  <-- at the bottem
[11:54] <zAo^> thanks
[11:54] <trey3> IBOIC: Ubuntu is very Linux centric
[11:55] <IBOIC> trey3:  yeah i guess
[11:55] <IBOIC> linux is good dont get me wrong