[15:21] <hggdh> so... came to the laptop this morning, and there is an userId/password dialog open from nmcheck.gnome.org
[15:22] <hggdh> "Authoentication requires by nmcheck.gnome.org:80 The site says <my wireless router>"
[15:22] <hggdh> anybody knows why gnome.org would want the userId and password for my router?
[15:23] <hggdh> and oh, BTW, the dialog opened as a Hotspot Login
[16:01] <hggdh> ah, got it. n-m checks if connection is working. WHat threw me off is my router, does not require login


[00:58] <hggdh> indeed. And for the sake of honesty, we have to tell him he emailed the wrong address
[00:59] <hggdh> argh! Wrong channel
[00:59] <wxl> i was wondering :)
[00:59] <hggdh> sorry...
[00:59] <wxl> good seeing you, hggdh. have a great day :)
[01:00] <hggdh> wxl: you too, sir :-)


[04:47] <n-iCe> hi
[04:51] <akis> I faced some issues during 16.04 installation. Anyone has already installed 16.04?
[04:53] <elky> explain the issues and someone will answer if they can
[04:54] <n-iCe> hi
[04:54] <n-iCe> akis: a lot of people
[04:58] <akis> n-iCe: hi. The 'unsafe-swap-space' bug since 12.04 is still here. i try to override it following this http://askubuntu.com/questions/393418/unsafe-swap-space-detected but i cannot open any terminal to give the command sudo swapoff -all. There is a GUI option to open a LXterminal but there is no prompt line to enter the command. Any help?
[04:59] <n-iCe> ok
[04:59] <n-iCe> change tty
[04:59] <n-iCe> and use the console
[05:06] <akis> n-iCe: how can i do that?
[05:07] <akis> n-iCe: do you mean change desktop?
[05:08] <akis> n-iCe: i tried this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/167386/how-to-switch-between-tty-and-xorg-session but doesnt accepti alt+ctrl+F1 , F2 etc
[05:11] <akis> n-iCe: i tried this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/167386/how-to-switch-between-tty-and-xorg-session but doesnt accepti alt+ctrl+F1 , F2 etc
[05:27] <n-iCe> 's back
[05:30] <akis> n-iCe: i tried this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/167386/how-to-switch-between-tty-and-xorg-session but doesnt accepti alt+ctrl+F1 , F2 etc
[05:32] <n-iCe> it should
[05:32] <n-iCe> I think mine does.
[05:33] <n-iCe> Any way, why are you gettnig that error?
[05:33] <n-iCe> Did not read, power went off.
[05:38] <akis> first the 16.04 cannot be tried without installation. Hungs. So i tried the installation option. But if i choose the fully disk encryption i am getting the 'unsafe-swap-space' message (old bug). And i cannot override it following user's instructions.
[16:17] <n-iCe> hi
[16:58] <mohsen_1> Hi
[16:58] <mohsen_1> Does lubuntu have a  composite manager by default
[16:58] <mohsen_1> ?
[17:03] <krytarik> mohsen_1: Nope.
[17:03] <mohsen_1> And the pause in video play back is because of that?
[17:04] <mohsen_1> I have a fresh install of lubuntu.
[17:06] <krytarik> mohsen_1: No, it's actually the other way around - using a compositing manager *increases* the chance of something like that.
[17:07] <mohsen_1> But I the exact problem on another distro(that didn't have a composite manager by default), and the problem disappeared when I installed a composite manager.
[17:08] <krytarik> Well, you can try of course.
[17:31] <n-iCe> https://events.google.com/io2016/
[17:35] <krytarik> n-iCe: Why pasting this here?
[17:36] <n-iCe> so you to watch
[18:12] <syntax_> Hi. I was wondering if someone would be able to help me with a problem that I have encountered trying to install wine which, after googling, I have not been able to resolve.
[18:13] <syntax_> I've followed the install instructions on the Wine website but got this output: https://pastee.org/whqs4 after running: "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-devel"
[18:14] <syntax_> Wine webpage for reference: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[18:28] <Nitrigaur> I have installed Lubuntu 16.04 and it feels much slower than it's predecessor 15.10 on the same system: Mac 2.1 @2.2GHz Core 2 Duo, using 4GB of RAM. Any idea what might cause this?
[18:29] <wxl> Nitrigaur: nothing stands out. how did you measure the difference?
[18:29] <n-iCe> o.O
[18:31] <Nitrigaur> wxl, well,  I mainly use Firefox on it, starting that one up (the same version!) on both 15.10 took almost 1.5 times as long on 16.04, while it felt snappy on 15.10. I can't see any major memory leaks or detect increased swap usage though.
[18:32] <wxl> Nitrigaur: could be a change in firefox, perhaps.
[18:32] <wxl> oh wait you said same version
[18:33] <wxl> do you have any problems with any other apps?
[18:33] <Nitrigaur> wxl, yes indeed, I did.
[18:33] <wxl> Nitrigaur: such as? all of them?
[18:35] <Nitrigaur> wxl, lightweight apps like Gnumeric and Abiword also felt much slower and the right mouse button emulation using two fingers on the touchpad hardly works at all.
[18:35] <wxl> Nitrigaur: i'm asking for a measurable difference, not necessarily feeling
[18:36] <Nitrigaur> wxl, yes, that is a problem, as I have "upgraded" my old 15.10 install to 16.04, so I can't compare them side-by-side anymore.
[18:37] <wxl> Nitrigaur: then it will certainly be difficult to make any sort of comparison. i certainly have noticed anything similar. the kernel is a different version. perhaps some kernel driver has changed? you might want to check your syslog/dmesg/Xorg logs for anything telling
[18:38] <wxl> s/have/haven\'t/
[18:38] <Nitrigaur> wxl, Thanks for the correction there but I understood it from the rest of your statement
[18:39] <wxl> Nitrigaur: i'm thinking given that you have an intel mac, driver changes are most likely the case. we have a relatively small number of mac users and i'd say an even smaller proportion of them are intel users. that being said, that may be why i have not heard of a similar problem.
[18:40] <wxl> Nitrigaur: i've never tried to run an old kernel on a supported install, but that might be something to try first.
[18:41] <Nitrigaur> That could be it. A regression in a hardware driver, perhaps tied to the harddisk control. I'll browse the dmesg  for any errors/ warnings.
[18:42] <wxl> Nitrigaur: if you need help diagnosing, feel free to stop on by. also with it not necessarily being a lubuntu-specific issue, #ubuntu may be able to help, too
[18:43] <wxl> Nitrigaur: you also might try the #ubuntu-kernel channel but afaik that's mostly for development rather than support
[18:43] <wxl> still i'm sure there are friendly folks there :)
[18:44] <Nitrigaur> wxl, thank you for all the useful hints. I am well known on the #ubuntu channel and I had quite few friendly chats there.
[18:44] <Nitrigaur> quite >a< few friendly chats ...
[18:44] <wxl> i gathered that, too XD
[18:48] <Nitrigaur> One very postive thing about the new version would be the IME support, straight after upgrading I could type Japanese in my favourite input predictor Anthy :-)
[18:48] <wxl> ah yes, anthy is good :)
[18:49] <Nitrigaur> There are a few kanji missing from the set available to me while on MacOSX, but generally it's impressive.
[18:50] <wxl> being a native english speaker, i'm a little unaware of the processes involved in fixing it, but feel free to file a bug
[18:51] <Nitrigaur> wxl, my native language is Dutch, but I'm learning Japanese. That's why I run into these things.
[19:15] <circ-user-i2ztY> hi there, I'm having troubles starting or stopping or restarting smbd service
[19:15] <circ-user-i2ztY> it's says unknown instance and my shares aren't showing
[19:16] <circ-user-i2ztY> help is much appreciated :(
[19:16] <circ-user-i2ztY> google doesn't serve any solutions atm
[19:17] <wxl> circ-user-i2ztY: if it's a registered service, it should be listed among 'service --status-all'
[19:17] <wxl> circ-user-i2ztY: my guess is it would be listed as samba
[19:17] <circ-user-i2ztY> [ + ]  smbd
[19:17] <circ-user-i2ztY> and samba
[19:18] <circ-user-i2ztY> it was working fine before i did my updates and rebooted
[19:18] <wxl> well if smbd fails, try samba :)
[19:18] <wxl> actually looking at this a little deeper, samba should start both smbd and nmbd
[19:18] <wxl> so yeah use samba
[19:19] <circ-user-i2ztY> i just did
[19:20] <circ-user-i2ztY> and it says "stop: Unknown instance:"
[19:20] <circ-user-i2ztY> when i try to restart it
[19:20] <wxl> circ-user-i2ztY: so why don't you 'start' it?
[19:21] <circ-user-i2ztY> root@boxcenter:~# service samba status nmbd start/running smbd stop/waiting
[19:21] <wxl> stop both of them then start samba
[19:22] <circ-user-i2ztY> root@boxcenter:~# service smbd stop stop: Unknown instance:
[19:22] <wxl> well yeah it's already stopped as you have shown
[19:23] <wxl> "
[19:23] <wxl> unknown instance" means "i can't find the process id"
[19:23] <wxl> and if it's stopped (not running), it doesn't have a process id
[19:23] <circ-user-i2ztY> I can't understand why it would fail to start again after a reboot
[19:24] <circ-user-i2ztY> when all i did was apt-get update / upgrade
[19:24] <wxl> you'd need to check the logs for that
[19:25] <circ-user-i2ztY> what log should i check? /var/log/samba/smbd.log doesn't show much
[19:25] <wxl> i'd probably start with syslog or dmesg
[19:25] <wxl> before i did that, though, i'd make sure that:
[19:25] <wxl>  1. i can start it manually
[19:25] <wxl>  2. it fails upon subsequent reboots
[19:26] <circ-user-i2ztY> i can't start it manually :(µ
[19:27] <wxl> so you should be doing this:
[19:27] <circ-user-i2ztY> May 18 21:20:48 boxcenter kernel: [ 2772.805517] init: smbd respawning too fast, stopped
[19:27] <wxl> sudo service samba stop
[19:27] <wxl> sudo service smbd stop
[19:27] <wxl> sudo service nmbd stop
[19:27] <wxl> sudo service samba start
[19:27] <wxl> if that fails, then follow the first three steps and then:
[19:27] <wxl> sudo service smbd start
[19:27] <wxl> sudo service nmbd start
[19:27] <wxl> and see if that doesn't work
[19:33] <circ-user-i2ztY> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5533166#post5533166 i found someone with the same prob
[19:33] <circ-user-i2ztY> haven't found a solution yet though
[19:33] <wxl> did you do the above?
[19:33] <circ-user-i2ztY> i did
[19:33] <circ-user-i2ztY> but it doesn't stop
[19:33] <circ-user-i2ztY> keeps saying unkown instance
[19:34] <wxl> it will say unknown instance every single time you say stop
[19:34] <circ-user-i2ztY> and it says it starts, but when i look at the processes, it doesn't show
[19:34] <circ-user-i2ztY> it didn't before the update though
[19:34] <wxl> what do you mean look at the process?
[19:34] <circ-user-i2ztY> well
[19:35] <circ-user-i2ztY> i've commented out the security line in my smb.conf and how it's working again :)
[19:35] <circ-user-i2ztY> like they said on the forum
[19:35] <wxl> at the end of those sets of commands you should be able to do sudo service {smbd,nmbd} status and it should tell you a pid
[19:35] <wxl> well there ya go
[19:36] <circ-user-i2ztY> thanks for the help man
[19:36] <wxl> yep, fwiw :/ :)
[19:36] <circ-user-i2ztY> (l)ubuntu always provides for random surprises when you upgrade stuff :p
[19:37] <wxl> everyone provides random surprises
[19:37] <wxl> even freebsd
[19:37] <wxl> package maintainers have to rely on certain assumptions and criteria, some of which don't apply to every situation
[19:41] <circ-user-i2ztY> ah, don't have experience with bsd
[19:41] <circ-user-i2ztY> i only know a little linux
[19:41] <circ-user-i2ztY> very basic
[19:41] <circ-user-i2ztY> just enough to set up what i need , network shares and such
[19:42] <wxl> bsd is pretty rock solid for servers. it's the core of a lot of embedded devices as well
[19:42] <wxl> it tends to be stable to a fault
[19:42] <wxl> but still there are surprises
[20:37] <circ-user-i2ztY> might give freebsd a try when i rebuilt or change my setup at home
[20:37] <wxl> it's a whole different ball of wax. it is CERTAINLY not very user friendly. i would not recommend it for a desktop.
[20:37] <circ-user-i2ztY> i wouldn't use it for a desktop
[20:38] <circ-user-i2ztY> but more like a bit of powerful machine to run different server's under vm's
[20:39] <circ-user-i2ztY> i usually use debian , but getting the latest kodi to work under debian is a bit of a pain
[20:40] <circ-user-i2ztY> my  server is also my mediacenter , for now
[20:40] <wxl> yeah well usually freebsd is terrible when it comes to the latest and greatest
[20:40] <circ-user-i2ztY> till i have some more money to blow i suppose :)
[20:40] <wxl> it's also, in general, terrible for support for newer hardware
[20:40] <wxl> like i said, stable to a fault
[20:40] <circ-user-i2ztY> probably runs good enough in a virtual machine
[20:41] <circ-user-i2ztY> was thinking of going for proxmox with all kind of vm servers
[20:41] <wxl> probably, as long as you aren't trying to maximize graphics too much on newer hardware
[20:41] <wxl> like i'm not sure what 3D acceleration is like
[20:42] <circ-user-i2ztY> meh, i still use windows for my desktop ;)


[01:45] <moimart> whois data
[01:58] <peanutb> ok i just installed gutsy, how would i start the ubuntu-mobile gui? (i installed the ubuntu-mobile meta package) or am i missing something?
[02:05] <sabotage> I've managed to start the UI, but it looks like crap because none of the theme files seem to be installed (icons/backgrounds/etc...)
[02:08] <peanutb> sabotage, how do you start the ui
[02:08] <sabotage> I confirmed that hildon-theme-plankton is installed
[02:08] <sabotage> need to follow instructions in the email sent earlier
[02:08] <sabotage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure
[02:09] <peanutb> ohh thanks
[02:09] <sabotage> run Xephyr, dbus-launch, and script (or similar process) and you'll get something at least
[02:11] <sabotage> last week I was running xfce4 (wm/desktop/panel) with the "dark" theme and various apps and it was looking quite nice.
[02:11] <sabotage> I'm anxious to see hildon up and running
[02:14] <peanutb> so im going to try to.
[02:16] <peanutb> hmm its going to take a while
[02:16] <peanutb> and i gtg
[02:20] <sabotage> I've posted the output from running my start script (c-n-p from the Wiki) here: http://pastebin.com/929288
[02:20] <sabotage> obvious things that apper wrong are:
[02:21] <sabotage> ** (hildon-desktop:4272): WARNING **: Failed to open connection to bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[02:21] <sabotage> so my dbus-launch does not appear correct
[02:25] <sabotage> I'm seeing alot of "could not load icon" warnings too, so the default theme is not configured right
[06:20] <moimart> rusty_:  hi
[06:20] <rusty_> morning
[06:20] <moimart> you back in portland?
[06:20] <rusty_> yeap
[06:20] <moimart> how was the trip?
[06:21] <rusty_> back to the cloudy skys
[06:21] <moimart> :)
[06:21] <rusty_> the trip was fine... it's a quick trip up to portland
[06:21] <moimart> yeah i guessed so :)
[06:22] <moimart> im waiting for bob right now
[06:22] <moimart> no idea where he is
[06:23] <rusty_> hmm.... he must have over slept
[06:25] <agoliveira> Good morning folks.
[06:25] <moimart> agoliveira: morning
[06:29] <moimart> agoliveira: are you with bob?
[06:36] <agoliveira> moimart: He should be around but didn't see him this morning yet.
[06:39] <moimart> agoliveira: ok thx :)
[07:08] <bspencer> moimart, I asked matthew allum about Xephyr but he didn't know anything
[07:09] <bspencer> moimart, I sent email, included you.
[07:11] <tko_> where's daniels when you could blame he for a bug...? :)
[07:14] <bspencer> ken -- what room you guys in again?
[07:14] <bspencer> agoliveira,  what's the status of the hildon-python bindings?
[07:15] <agoliveira> bspencer: We are at the fundation meeting about mobile in a room just behind the projector screen on the left.
[07:15] <bspencer> the big  room we were in yesterday ?
[07:15] <agoliveira> bspencer: I didn't look at that yet.
[07:16] <bspencer> agoliveira, ok.  Might be nice while Nokia guys close by
[07:16] <moimart> jobi: are you around?
[07:16] <agoliveira> bspencer: No, it's literaly behind the screen.
[07:18] <bspencer> ah, maybe I'll come later.  I'm in the little room
[08:15] <robr> kylem, which kernel tree did ben attempt to apply our patches to?
[08:15] <robr> kylem, which tree should we be using to port our patches to?
[08:17] <kylem> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=summary likely, but i'll check with him to make sure.
[08:25] <robr> kylem, he just sent it to me in email
[08:25] <kylem> ah ok, cool.
[08:26] <kylem> the google wireless is very slow today.
[08:26] <kylem> :/
[08:26] <robr> is he on this irc channel
[08:26] <robr> i didn't know his nick
[09:35] <derkling> Hi *!
[10:37] <sabotage> anyone on that can help debug running hildon on gutsy based on the ubuntu-mobile meta-package?
[10:38] <sabotage> it seems I may not be starting dbus session correctly (dbus-launch --exit-with-session)
[10:38] <sabotage> and or maybe a problem with the plankton theme
[11:01] <sabotage> I'm just not able to get the plankton theme running, as I noted above.  any suggestions?
[11:02] <sabotage> console output is here: http://pastebin.com/929917
[11:02] <sabotage> screenshot is here: http://tinyurl.com/2scgqu
[11:04] <tko_> sabotage, your problem is on lines 24 and 25 -- if you comment out all lines with 'unbind' it should fix the theme
[11:05] <tko_> though I thought adilson would've uploaded fixed packages already
[11:08] <sabotage> tko_, that helped some, I now have the rounded buttons/menus and correct fonts, but no images or colors
[11:09] <tko_> sabotage, did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure ?
[11:09] <sabotage> I've just done an apt-get update and upgrade against ubuntu directly
[11:09] <tko_> if it didn't work, bug the guys who wrote it down :)
[11:09] <sabotage> tko_, yes
[11:09] <sabotage> sort of.
[11:09] <sabotage> I grabed the ubuntu-mobile meta-package, which now has all the listed packages
[11:10] <sabotage> and I've verified they are there
[11:10] <sabotage> I'm using the script he provided too
[11:11] <sabotage> I also removed the status bar section from desktop.conf
[11:12] <sabotage> I am starting dbus via dbus-launch --exit-with-session, is this correct?
[11:19] <moimart> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-March/022668.html
[11:26] <rusty_> sabotage, are you following the README I added to the project-builder source checked into lauchpad?
[11:27] <sabotage> well, no, since I didn't know about it ;)
[11:27] <sabotage> I'll check it out
[11:27] <rusty_> sabotage, ok, i assumed you know about it since you some of the steps
[11:27] <rusty_> let me get that URL
[11:28] <sabotage> nah, I was going from the mail sent to ubuntu-mobile mail list and the URL that was in it
[11:28] <rusty_> ok, update your code and see the new README file
[11:29] <sabotage> by "code" you mean PB?
[11:29] <rusty_> btw, you no longer need to remove the unbind calls from the gtkrc files
[11:29] <rusty_> yea
[11:29] <sabotage> ok
[11:29] <rusty_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/project-builder/ubuntu
[11:30] <sabotage> removing the unbind did get me farther, but you're saying that when I update PB, I won't have to any more?
[11:30] <rusty_> if you are building a new image from scratch then you will get the latest gtk packages from gutsy
[11:30] <rusty_> gutsy update gtk yesterday morning
[11:31] <rusty_> and this new version knows how to do 'unbind'
[11:31] <sabotage> ok, well I've been updating every few hours from ftp.ubuntu.com gutsy main
[11:32] <rusty_> funny, i never looked at that wiki... let me see what step is missing
[11:32] <sabotage> but I haven't updated PB since, tuesday I think
[11:32] <rusty_> you need to bind /proc
[11:32] <rusty_> you only need to install 'ubuntu-mobile'... this package will pull in all the needed packages
[11:32] <sabotage> since removing the unbind referecnces, I now am getting closer: http://tinyurl.com/2scgqu
[11:33] <sabotage> rusty_, I did that (ubuntu-mobile)
[11:33] <sabotage> but the bind /proc is new...
[11:33] <rusty_> ok, i bet you don't have a session bus running
[11:34] <sabotage> that's what I suspect to, but I'm not having luck figureing out the right way to do that
[11:34] <sabotage> I tried dbus-launch --exit-with-session
[11:34] <rusty_> first, you need the dbus system bus running... when you install dbus then the post install will do this for you, but if you rebooted since installing then you need to run "/etc/init.d/dbus start" inside the chroot
[11:34] <sabotage> but if I don't have /proc bound, that could be a problem ;)
[11:34] <rusty_> also
[11:35] <rusty_> create a new user "useradd -m -s /bin/bash theuser"
[11:35] <rusty_> and then "su - theuser" while inside the chroot
[11:36] <rusty_> only after you have su'ed to the user (and you are careful not to leave off the "-" so that su will create a new environment), then you run your hildon start script
[11:37] <rusty_> if you skip the last couple of steps then the session bus will not be automatically started by the dbus deamon when you request a service
[11:37] <rusty_> also...
[11:37] <rusty_> it looks like you are missing the icon package
[11:38] <rusty_> make sure ubuntu-mobile is installing 'sdk-default-icons'
[11:38] <sabotage> rusty_ BTW, that URL did not work for me, this did though: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/project-builder/ubuntu
[11:38] <rusty_> it was originally broke (from my stupid mistake)
[11:38] <rusty_> sabotage, that's the url you use to checkout the code via bzr
[11:39] <sabotage> ok, well the other one gave me a 404
[11:39] <rusty_> i'm not sure if it works by pointing a browser at it
[11:40] <sabotage> I have added the user and confirmed the icon package is installed
[11:41] <rusty_> another easy to make mistake that adilson and i stumbled on yesterday was in they way you copy-n-paste the script
[11:41] <rusty_> just be careful that the long lines are not broken
[11:42] <rusty_> for example the GTK2_RC_FILES environment will point to a truncated file path
[11:43] <sabotage> no bad breaks in my script
[11:44] <rusty_> did you 'su - someuser' ?
[11:44] <rusty_> after dbus was started via /etc/init.d/dbus
[11:46] <rusty_> BTW, you will see error messages about connecting to dbus if the system and session bus are not setup correctly
[11:47] <sabotage> assuming I've installed the latest bits, here is what I am doing:
[11:47] <sabotage> 1- Start Xephyr
[11:47] <sabotage> 2- Start PB
[11:47] <sabotage> 3- Select Project and Target and launch terminal
[11:47] <sabotage> 4- su - guest (account already created)
[11:47] <sabotage> 5- export DISPLAY=:1.0
[11:47] <sabotage> 6- dbus-launch --exit-with-session
[11:47] <sabotage> 7- start-hildon-desktop (my name for adilson's script)
[11:47] <sabotage> So I suspect dbus is not setting up right for me, but I'm unclear what's missing/broken
[11:47] <sabotage> you mentioned binding /proc...?
[11:48] <rusty_> sabotage, don't manually run dbus-launch
[11:48] <rusty_> use the init script
[11:48] <sabotage> oh!
[11:50] <rusty_> if you are using project-builder then all the dirty details about bind mounting stuff like /proc is taken care of
[11:50] <sabotage> ok
[11:50] <rusty_> if you manually create a chroot vi debootstrap then do a:
[11:51] <rusty_> sudo mount --bind /proc the/chroot/proc
[11:51] <sabotage> I see I've got a butt load of dbus sessions running now, I need to clean that up and try again then
[11:51] <rusty_> sudo mount --bind /tmp the/chroot/tmp
[11:51] <rusty_> sabotage, it would be safe to reboot (it that is an option)
[11:51] <sabotage> what, is this windows or somtheing ;)
[11:52] <rusty_> well... if you understand which dbus instances to kill then you are fine
[11:52] <rusty_> but if you don't... well...
[11:53] <rusty_> just don't be suprised when things like you network applet stop working
[12:03] <sabotage> hrmm, after my reboot, PB launched terminal chroot no longer has /proc bound...
[12:03] <rusty_> sabotage, are you running the latest greatest code from bzr?
[12:04] <rusty_> I just pushed revision 13


[20:45] <dax> !pin
[20:45] <dax> are they the same thing, i've never bothered with either of them
[20:55] <Unit193> No, 'hold' is "don't upgrade", more easily done with  apt-mark hold $pkg, but I'm not sure we want to make that easily callable.
[21:48] <valorie> people using either option without knowing enough can make a hash of their systems
[21:49] <Unit193> This is true, though I'd imagine pinning is more of a way to control origin.


[03:42] <chilicuil> hi, I'd like to help to review some patches as part of the bugday, I'm watching bug 614907 and the diff doesn't apply to the latest net-tools source ($bzr branch lp:/ubuntu/net-tools), should I reject it?, it looks to me like the patch is useful, should I send it to debian/berlios instead?, I dont have the hardware to test it, should I avoid touching it?
[03:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 614907 in net-tools (Ubuntu) "Add suppport for IEEE 802.15.4 hardware in net-tools (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614907
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <jibel> good morning dholbach
[08:01] <dholbach> hey jibel


[13:04] <apw> phillw, there should be meta packages in that ppa
[13:18] <tsimonq2> I am now using the PPA, so if you need anything from me, like testing of something, just ping :)
[13:18] <tsimonq2> and this is on i386
[15:32] <phillw> apw: it's okay. My reason for wanting to try it out a.s.a.p. was that there sems a bit of doubt as to if the new kernel would land by Mon 25th Jan, this being the next alpha milestone when we can go and corral testers to crawl over testing and I also wanted to have it running in 'real' life (production machine).
[15:39] <phillw> s/sems/seems/


[00:19] <jcastro> greg-g: hey so
[00:19] <jcastro> this battery thing won't work
[00:19] <jcastro> I was going to gift daker my laptop with the small battery and just give you the extended one
[00:20] <jcastro> but his visa got declined. :-/
[02:18] <brousch> oh yeah, nice big sexy system monitor widget
[02:50] <greg-g> jcastro: sad
[02:51] <greg-g> jcastro: but no worries, I should just bite the bullet and order it from amazon/whatever. nothing is showing up on the lenovo outlet
[05:04] <jcastro> rick_h: http://i.imgur.com/pfhuX.png
[11:31] <brousch> and the fun begins https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/988612
[11:39] <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/you-kids-today-i-dont-even/
[11:40] <snap-l> jcastro: Oh ffs
[11:40] <rick_h_> jcastro: lol on the pic
[11:42] <snap-l> http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2012-04-26-ooo-comparison.html
[11:42] <snap-l> I eagerly await the shitstorm from this
[11:43] <snap-l> Also Pro-Tip: Do not do an image search on razor fetish with even moderate safe search enabled.
[11:44] <brousch> snap-l: noted
[12:08] <brousch> kubuntu lts is released!
[12:09] <brousch> heh, no updates. i guess i'm already on it
[12:16] <brousch> anyone having trouble with dropbox install on 12.04?
[12:17] <tjagoda> Wooo
[12:17] <tjagoda> Happy Ubunut 12.04 day
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <tjagoda> 3 minutes ago Ubuntu posted a facebook status saying its out
[12:18] <tjagoda> however
[12:18] <tjagoda> they linked to www.ubunut.com
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <tjagoda> I lol'ed hard
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <snap-l> ;)
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> v
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes!
[12:18] <tjagoda> Maybe now the bastards will respond to my application
[12:18] <brousch> damn spammers
[12:19] <tjagoda> which has been open for the last 30 days
[12:19] <tjagoda> Never had a canonical app open so long
[12:19] <tjagoda> usually they at least close it or contacted me within 1-2 weeks of applying
[12:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: so you following all the 'what's new in 12.04' posts yet?
[12:21] <brousch> link to a good one if you find it
[12:21] <brousch> i'm supposed to talk about this thing i've not used tonight
[12:21] <tjagoda> When is the penguicon release party?  Fri or sat?
[12:22] <rick_h_> friday night, one hour window so be on time :)
[12:22] <rick_h_> brousch: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/04/26/ubuntu-12-04-lts-releases-today
[12:22] <rick_h_> come on, that's one sexy list ;)
[12:22] <tjagoda> I wont be there friday night
[12:22] <tjagoda> might come out saturday
[12:22] <rick_h_> you're not coming to my talk?! That's it, where's the kick function in here
[12:23] <tjagoda> lol
[12:23] <tjagoda> Make Canonical reply to my application, rick_h
[12:23] <tjagoda> MAKE IT SO
[12:23] <rick_h_> tjagoda: yea, I'll just send a nice 'all hands' email to all 500 people to get someone on it :P
[12:24] <tjagoda> just to all the recruiters and people in the technical account manager team, that'd be fine =P
[12:24] <brousch> rick_h_:  that's actually quite disappointing. i know there has to be more good stuff. multiarch, bunch of unity stuff, annoying dns change
[12:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: Wow, that's all sorts of sexy in that list
[12:25] <rick_h_> brousch: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ that's the big thing I'd bring up honestly
[12:31] <brousch> this fixed the dropbox problem for me http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-dropbox-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[12:33] <rick_h_> hmm, didn't have any issues here myself, but I think I might have installed from the ubuntu repos
[12:38] <brousch> i tried from the download from dropbox. it wanted some other version of a library
[12:42] <PainBank> see bottom of page here: http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebInspector
[12:42] <PainBank> links to here: http://muellerware.org/papers/weinre/manual.html
[12:43] <rick_h_> PainBank: http://www.webkit.org/blog/1875/announcing-remote-debugging-protocol-v1-0/
[12:43] <PainBank> doh, wrong links
[12:44] <PainBank> errr forum.
[12:44] <PainBank> rick_h_: thanks.
[12:44] <PainBank> rick_h_: have you tried it yet?
[12:44] <rick_h_> PainBank: no, I've thought about trying it out on my phone but not gotten around to it yet
[12:45] <rick_h_> http://paulirish.com/2011/a-re-introduction-to-the-chrome-developer-tools/
[12:45] <rick_h_> PainBank: I think Paul Irish demos it in this video ^
[12:48] <PainBank> yup, looks like it.  have to watch it now.
[12:50] <tjagoda> ubuntu.com is getting seriously hammered
[12:50] <tjagoda> but
[12:50] <tjagoda> it still completes page requests
[12:50] <tjagoda> nicely done, netadmins
[12:51] <PainBank> rick_h_: are you working full time or contracting still?
[12:51] <rick_h_> working full time for launchpad
[12:51] <PainBank> cool
[12:52]  * PainBank jealous of rick_h_ , now need to do more, so I can get a coolio job like his.
[12:52] <shakes808> Good morning all
[12:57] <shakes808> rick: What time does CHC meet?
[12:57] <rick_h_> 8pm every wed
[12:57] <rick_h_> 7pm the last wed of the month
[12:57] <shakes808> sounds good
[12:58] <rick_h_> http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html
[12:58] <shakes808> putting it in my calendar :D
[12:58] <shakes808> Thank you
[12:59] <rick_h_> there was another new guy there last night working on learning python/flask
[13:01] <shakes808> Do you know if he will be there next week?
[13:02] <rick_h_> no idea, never know who'll make it week to week
[13:04]  * PainBank loving the video from Paul Irish... using color #BADA55
[13:04] <PainBank> rick_h_: ya you do, your always there.  And snap-l or at least most of the time you guys are.
[13:07] <shakes808> So the GURUs  of Python ;)
[13:08] <shakes808> And rick, I will tell John about my comments for Python when he gets in and see what he says ;)
[13:08] <rick_h_> hah!
[13:11] <snap-l> ho boy.
[13:12] <snap-l> Apparently one of the bands that I was going to be interviewing isn't aware they put their music under a Creative Commons LIcense.
[13:12] <rick_h_> snap-l: doh!
[13:12] <snap-l> Even though they have two albums under that license.
[13:12] <snap-l> One of the interview questions I have is:
[13:12] <snap-l> What prompted you to use Creative Commons over just releasing the
[13:12] <snap-l> album "for free"?
[13:12] <shakes808> snap: you interview bands? Local or National?
[13:13] <snap-l> and they balked at the question
[13:13] <snap-l> shakes808: International
[13:13] <shakes808> Nice
[13:13] <shakes808> Metal, I am assuming with your podcasts?
[13:13] <snap-l> Ones that release under the Creative Commons license.
[13:13] <snap-l> Yeah, they're all for the podccast.
[13:13] <shakes808> nice
[13:14] <snap-l> So I have to get that sorted prior to the interview.
[13:14] <snap-l> http://spikethetomb.bandcamp.com/album/gods-be-forgotten-e-p
[13:14] <shakes808> I listened to some of your podcasts, brings me back when I was doing radio programs and interview local bands lol and putting the band I was in on the air :D
[13:14] <brousch> snap-l: heh, they don't seem like the most organized band
[13:14] <snap-l> The sick thing is they're REALLY good, so I'll be pretty upset if they decide not to release CC
[13:15] <snap-l> shakes808: Ah, another radio junkie. ;)
[13:15] <brousch> CC? oh shit! we thought that meant pay with credit cards!
[13:15] <shakes808> When I was in High School, we had a radio / tv program
[13:15] <snap-l> brousch: They're actually more organized than you might think
[13:15] <shakes808> I had like 2 - 3 shows I was either hosting or guesting on
[13:15] <snap-l> shakes808: Ah, nice. How many watts?
[13:15] <shakes808> Not sure, it was school ran
[13:16] <shakes808> they had their stuff already set up and what not in the school
[13:16] <snap-l> brousch: But yeah, I'm not sure how you would accidentally release under CC
[13:16] <shakes808> so we had to make sure we edited the shit out of the songs
[13:16] <snap-l> shakes808: Oh yeah
[13:16] <shakes808> that was a fun expierence lol
[13:16] <snap-l> We had folks review the albums to find the naughty words
[13:16] <shakes808> I still listen to that station every now and again
[13:16] <shakes808> lol
[13:17] <snap-l> Unfortunately, someone forgot to mark Pop Will Eat Itself's "Not Now James" as NO!
[13:17] <shakes808> we did all our own adverts and what not
[13:17] <shakes808> It was awesome because I could plug my bands shows for free :D
[13:17] <shakes808> :D
[13:17] <snap-l> so I played "listen here cocksuckers, motherfuckers pay respect to my building"
[13:17] <snap-l> got a call for that. :)
[13:17] <snap-l> fortunately no fine.
[13:17] <shakes808> That song that you posted in here is pretty good
[13:17] <shakes808> I like the drums
[13:17] <shakes808> :D
[13:18] <shakes808> Are you FCC regulated?
[13:18] <snap-l> Podcasts? No, thankfully
[13:18] <shakes808> HA AH
[13:18] <shakes808> HAHA
[13:18] <shakes808> good
[13:18] <snap-l> Though I do have a license still.
[13:18] <snap-l> I thnk they're lifetime licenses.
[13:18] <shakes808> thats cool
[13:18] <shakes808> is it hard to run the casts?
[13:19] <snap-l> Not really. I'll be putting one together at Penguicon this weekend as part of a podcasting presentation
[13:19] <shakes808> nice
[13:19] <shakes808> Penguicon is this weekend?
[13:20] <snap-l> Yep
[13:21] <shakes808> OOO B.Nektar is going to be there :(
[13:21] <shakes808> MMMM MEEEEAAAD
[13:21] <shakes808> They are a good bunch of people :D
[13:24] <shakes808> Wish I could make it
[13:24] <shakes808> maybe the next one
[13:25] <shakes808> Do you know when the next one is?
[13:26] <rick_h_> a year from now ;)
[13:26] <shakes808> ha ha
[13:26] <shakes808> same dates?
[13:26] <shakes808> or around the same dates?
[13:27] <snap-l> Usually around the same time
[13:27] <shakes808> cool, If I am able to go, for sure :D
[13:34] <jrwren> this is why I fear the cloud for my use. I don't want a 1000$ bill one month because of my mistake: http://www.behind-the-enemy-lines.com/2012/04/google-attack-how-i-self-attacked.html
[13:43] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, we've had that were test machines hang and you don't notice and end up running a large ec2 instance for days
[13:48] <shakes808> geeez
[13:48] <shakes808> :D
[13:48] <shakes808> Interesting
[13:56] <snap-l> Every time I think I have cracked the QoS nut, I feel like I have somehow screwed my network up even further. :)
[13:58] <snap-l> http://ur1.ca/93u6t <- DIsney job
[13:58] <snap-l> It's in Seattle, so rick_h_ is forbidden from taking it
[13:59] <rick_h_> bah, I just added seattle and portland to my weather.com quick list so I can see what I'm missing
[14:00] <rick_h_> bah, RHEL shop...can't do it
[14:00] <snap-l> rick_h_: rain, with a chance of rain. Highs in the upper rain. Tonight: More rain with rain possible. Tomorrow: High chance of rain with rain flurries.
[14:00] <rick_h_> yay rain!
[14:00] <snap-l> I think I'm going to have to pause planet Ubuntu for a while.
[14:03] <rick_h_> heh, ubuntu.com went boom
[14:06] <jrwren> jcastro: cool microscope link
[14:06] <jrwren> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/you-kids-today-i-dont-even/  snap-l you see this?
[14:07] <jrwren> rick_h_: what if they pay you tripple, would you do rhel then?
[14:07] <jrwren> the thing that scares me about rhel shops is not the rhel, its that they are running rhel because they have to  to get oracle support :(
[14:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: no idea. I guess it'd depend if they worked out building their own python/etc environments
[14:08] <rick_h_> rhel python dev scares me
[14:08] <snap-l> Also, it's bring your spawn to work day today.
[14:08] <jrwren> virtualenv I'm sure :)
[14:08] <rick_h_> mine is here...banging on the floor with his hammer :/
[14:08] <snap-l> Which means my already shot attention span is completely decimated. :)
[14:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, but still py 2.4? 2.5?
[14:09] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I posted a link to that.
[14:09] <jrwren> rick_h_: good point, a lot of rhel shops are running OLD ass linux versions.
[14:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: go with it, did the kids bring in snacks?
[14:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh, never thought of it from the taking candy aspect.
[14:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: exactly, and if that's the base, the rest of the stack doesn't usually get 'better'
[14:10] <rick_h_> snap-l: oh yea, that's the day we did the typiing speed competition
[14:10] <snap-l> rick_h_ <- always with the great ideas.
[14:10] <rick_h_> get involved, day goes better and you'll actually have fun vs getting work done
[14:10] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't mind kids. I love kids
[14:10] <rick_h_> use them as excuses to blow off steam for a day :)
[14:11] <snap-l> Also, ubuntu.com uses Drupal?
[14:11] <snap-l> (*sigh*)
[14:13] <jrwren> now that you mention it, i was supporting an app that was running in a RHEL VPS. It had its own compiled python in /usr/local :)
[14:14] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, that's what my old job starting doing. building their own python
[14:14] <rick_h_> but then you get into other libs you need, c-extension bits, etc
[14:14] <rick_h_> it can get messy trying to keep an old system up to date
[14:23] <jrwren> yup
[14:23] <jrwren> i've not had to do it recently
[14:23] <jrwren> maintaining solaris/hpux/aix that is pretty much the norm :(
[14:24] <jrwren> but i've not done that in 8 yrs. YAY!
[14:28] <shakes808> I talked to John about some Python and he was talking about IPython and BPython for the text editor plugin
[14:28] <rick_h_> text editor plugin?
[14:29] <shakes808> i think that is what it was
[14:29] <rick_h_> I use bpython for my shell, but not sure what plugin bit he means
[14:29] <shakes808> maybe i just mis interrpreted
[14:29] <rick_h_> is this in pycharm or something?
[14:30] <shakes808> he mentioned pycharm and that he didn't know about how Eclipse was with Python. He just uses VIM and mentioned about IPython and BPython
[14:30] <rick_h_> definitely check out bpython, good stuff
[14:30] <shakes808> I will
[14:30] <rick_h_> right, use those in a shell on the side to check out stuff
[14:30] <shakes808> I will check it out tonight :D
[14:30] <jrwren> wtf is bpython?
[14:31] <brousch> forget tonight. do it now!
[14:31] <shakes808> lol
[14:31] <shakes808> I got work I need to do
[14:31] <rick_h_> jrwren: alternative to ipython shell
[14:33] <brousch> if you're not working in python you're doing it wrong!
[14:33] <shakes808> lol
[14:33] <rick_h_> basically :P
[14:34] <rick_h_> unless you're using erlang for cool crap :)
[14:35] <jrwren> bullshit.
[14:35] <jrwren> language choice matters little
[14:35] <rick_h_> hah, successfully fed the trolls! :)
[14:35] <jrwren> but i like your passion for your choice.
[14:35] <snap-l> jrwren: I look forward to your web application written in branfuck
[15:01] <ColonelPanic001> branfuck. The language that ruins your breakfast.
[15:03] <rick_h_> http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201204/two_problems.html
[15:03] <shakes808> ruins or the start to a beautiful morning ;)
[15:08] <jrwren> lol
[15:08] <jrwren> i like michael foord's comment
[15:31] <brousch> karma is a bitch
[15:31] <brousch> i get to dive into C# next week
[15:32] <shakes808> C# isn't that bad
[15:32] <shakes808> I was doing that for a few months not too long ago
[15:34] <brousch> it is bad because i need to use it to control autocad, so i need the ginat bloat of visual studio running alongside the giant bloat of autocad on my 6 year old sempron computer
[15:34] <shakes808> HA HA
[15:34] <shakes808> well, in that case
[15:34] <brousch> not to mention having to use windows ;)
[15:34] <shakes808> yes that is bad
[15:34] <snap-l> "Some people when confronted with a desire to use pithy quotes in their presentations think "I know, I'll use something from Star Wars". Now two problems they have."
[15:34] <shakes808> H AHA
[15:35] <shakes808> If you can deal with Visual Studios 2008, it isn't as bloated as 2010
[15:35] <shakes808> It doesn't add as many pointless files when compiling
[15:36] <brousch> i will use whatever free visual studio microsoft is kind enough to give me
[15:36] <shakes808> but then it has been awhile since I used it, so never know
[15:36] <shakes808> lol
[15:36] <shakes808> Visual Studios Express
[15:37] <shakes808> Not as full featured....
[15:37] <brousch> i guess i could technically use VB.NET
[15:37] <shakes808> will still need VS
[15:40] <brousch> i could try ironpython, but i'm worried about supporting that long-term
[15:41] <shakes808> you can try http://www.mono-project.com/CSharp_Compiler
[15:41] <brousch> all of the tutorials and help use visual studio, so i'll stick with that for now
[15:41] <shakes808> ok
[15:42] <jrwren> you could also just use vim and command line C# compilers from MSFT
[15:43] <jrwren> if you REALLY want to avoid VS that badly.
[15:43] <brousch> i really just want to get this done so i can move on to better things ;)
[15:44] <brousch> basically we have a really old VB plugin in autocad, but in 64bit win7 it is causing all kinds of slowness because VB is being deprecated in autocad
[15:45] <brousch> and it has some other half-ass pieces like java that dumps data from foxpro for the VB plugin
[15:46] <brousch> so i want to rewrite the autocad plugin using .NET and have it pull from postgresql
[15:58] <shakes808> rick_h_: to step back in time, yesterday. The IDE stuff that I was asking about and the var/www stuff. When talking to John he said that it was a little more difficult to set up Eclipse
[15:59] <shakes808> I should try to stick with VIM and maybe the BPython and veer away from using and IDE, is this a good assumption to make?
[16:01] <rick_h_> heh, you're asking the wrong guy here. There's only one valid answer to that.
[16:02] <shakes808> and in this case it really was a Wednesday
[16:02] <shakes808> lol
[16:02] <shakes808> and ...
[16:03] <shakes808> I am guessing no ? lol ;)
[16:06] <brousch> aptana has some nice features, but vim will be better in the long run
[16:06] <brousch> vim has a steeper learning curve
[16:39] <shakes808> Then VIM it is
[16:41] <rick_h_> shakes808: you can catch up some here: http://lococast.net/archives/category/screencast
[16:48] <shakes808> Thank you... but.... where is VIM 1? lol
[16:48] <shakes808> I see it
[16:48] <shakes808> you are pushing them down
[16:48] <shakes808> Oh blogs
[16:48] <shakes808> lol
[16:52] <shakes808> see what happens when your actions are quicker than your reason lol
[17:40] <rick_h_> ok, this whole google/oracle thing is getting me scared
[17:40] <greg-g> don't be yet
[17:40] <rick_h_> I'm starting to look at things where I 'copy' an api and this would be illegal (if they were copyright'd)
[17:41] <rick_h_> delicious api for bookie, readable api for the text parsing
[17:41] <rick_h_> we do stuff with amazon aws api copying/implementing
[17:41] <rick_h_> kind of spooky
[17:41] <greg-g> yeah, don't worry about that, really
[17:42] <rick_h_> I'm overreacting to the idea that twitter copyrights their api and status.net can't implement something similar so clients can connect?
[17:42] <ColonelPanic001> just change all get_* methods to retreive_*
[17:42] <rick_h_> or just that there's little chance that goes through
[17:42] <greg-g> these are just the arguments made by a corp trying to restrict usage of their stuff by any means. (C) is a bad fit for an api (the structure of one, the descriptions of the things, maybe, but very thin)
[17:42] <ColonelPanic001> and all set_* to make_it_so_*
[17:42] <greg-g> little chance the argument will stick
[17:42] <greg-g> IANAL, TINLA
[17:42] <rick_h_> oh I agree that it makes no sense, but I have little faith in a jury of my non-tech peers :)
[17:43] <greg-g> luckily, the judge is deciding this point
[17:43] <greg-g> not the jury
[17:43] <rick_h_> ah, k
[17:43] <tjagoda> I wonder why Ubuntu still pushes 32bit as the default download
[17:43] <tjagoda> screw your 32 bits
[17:43] <tjagoda> I want 54
[17:43] <tjagoda> and even 64
[17:43] <greg-g> yeah, he thought it was too technical, both technology and (C)-law wise for a jury to do it well (which, is a sad sign for (C) law, really)
[17:43] <brousch> wtf is up with dl.google.com today?
[17:43] <rick_h_> yea, but it sure is
[17:43] <ColonelPanic001> is the judge any better?
[17:43] <ColonelPanic001> I havne't been following it much
[17:44] <rick_h_> the people that decide such very technical things is a bit scary
[17:44] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: re copyright law, hopefully. They at least know what scense a faire means
[17:44] <ColonelPanic001> and I don't even know that
[17:44] <greg-g> (C) concept
[17:44] <ColonelPanic001> I assumed.
[17:44] <ColonelPanic001> Mister "I anal", in here with this foriegn words
[17:44] <rick_h_> hah
[17:45] <tjagoda> his fancy foreign speak
[17:45] <rick_h_> 'you sure sound like one of them foreiner laaaaaaaywery people, get a rope'
[17:45] <greg-g> like starting a noir film with a rainy night with a guy walking down a street with only one street lamp and he's wearing a trench coat and hat... not protected by (C) since thats exactly what noir is, it's how you do it
[17:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: Just rest assured that if Larry Ellison gets his way, we'll all have a very good reason to recycle our keyboards
[17:45] <ColonelPanic001> I hereby copyrite the QWERTY layout.
[17:45] <snap-l> because programming won't be fun anymore.
[17:46] <rick_h_> I've got a better idea "larry Ellison was beat senseless tonight outside his home with what is believed to be a Model-m or replicant keyboard."
[17:46] <ColonelPanic001> Everyone must now all use a unique layout
[17:46] <ColonelPanic001> replicants?
[17:46] <rick_h_> "They sure built those things well didn't they"
[17:46] <tjagoda> Yes
[17:46]  * ColonelPanic001 calls Han Solo
[17:46] <tjagoda> Model-M keyboards so evolved they reproduce themselves
[17:46] <tjagoda> epic
[17:46] <snap-l><PHONE_NUMBER>26605635584000000 combos. I think it's do-able.
[17:46] <tjagoda> System76 has day 1 support for 12.04
[17:47] <tjagoda> usually you have to wait a month for them to update their driver tool
[17:47] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: perfect. Your keyboard layout can double as an IP address, and solve that issue, too
[17:47] <tjagoda> I'll have to go home and take OpenSUSE off the laptop now
[17:47] <rick_h_> tjagoda: yea, I'm happy that they've got the update right in step
[17:47] <rick_h_> I'm getting darned tempted to get a system76 desktop for an upcoming machine
[17:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: But what about your nipples?
[17:48] <rick_h_> for the desktop
[17:48] <tjagoda> If my desktop wasn't still upgradeable I would have a system76 everything
[17:48] <brousch> system76 lacks nipples?
[17:48] <rick_h_> I don't see myself ever getting a non-thinkpad laptpo
[17:48] <rick_h_> brousch: pretty much, they're crazy like that
[17:48] <snap-l> Yeah, System76 can't show nipples
[17:48] <brousch> fail
[17:48] <snap-l> because they're patented.
[17:48] <brousch> dell has them
[17:48] <snap-l> Dell pays to show nipples.
[17:48] <rick_h_> even the HP/Dell nipples fail with lack of middle button
[17:48] <rick_h_> they license them
[17:48] <tjagoda> Rick_H wants this bad boy: https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/leox3
[17:49] <brousch> lack of middle button is one thing keeping me off unity
[17:49] <rick_h_> tjagoda: heh, was looking one level down
[17:49] <snap-l> brousch: Lack of a middle button should keep you off of X Windows
[17:49] <tjagoda> https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/wilp8
[17:49] <snap-l> not just Unity.
[17:49] <tjagoda> ?
[17:49] <tjagoda> The one with teh sexy top-mount USB ports?
[17:49] <brousch> i don't need it normally
[17:50] <rick_h_> tjagoda: I think so
[17:52] <rick_h_> we'll see though, if ivy bridge hits laptops this summer I might just keep on the laptop only train
[17:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: I thought you would build your own
[17:52] <rick_h_> snap-l: desktop?
[17:52] <snap-l> yeah
[17:52] <rick_h_> I have, but honestly I don't have time these days and supporting system76 seems like a good plan
[17:53] <snap-l> God, that plexiglass window would keep me off the leopard extreme
[17:53] <rick_h_> meh, under a desk they all look the same
[17:53] <rick_h_> I just want many big cpus and much much ram
[17:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Like a loud nightlight.
[17:54] <tjagoda> I'm going to go to snap-l's Ubuntu panel
[17:54] <tjagoda> and sit in the front
[17:54] <tjagoda> for trolling purposes
[17:55] <snap-l> tjagoda: Please do. It'll save me from hitting someone else.
[17:55] <snap-l> ^accidentally
[17:56] <snap-l> I'd be a little leery of the Wildebeast Performance System 76 machine
[17:56] <tjagoda> Epic
[17:56] <snap-l> Looks like it has a funky power supply
[17:56] <snap-l> https://c12278716.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/wilddog-6fe5466b286efcb.png
[17:56] <tjagoda> Define funky
[17:57] <snap-l> non-standard
[17:57] <snap-l> built into the case
[17:57] <snap-l> requiring a special order to replace
[17:58] <tjagoda> hm
[17:58] <snap-l> We, rather the wild dog performance
[17:58] <snap-l> dumb code-names
[17:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, I think that's why I went up a level
[17:58] <rick_h_> that one seemed pretty normal as I'd be dropping in my own HD, video card, etc
[17:59] <snap-l> Why is it I have less of a problem knowing what parts go into my laptop, but when it comes to a desktop, I start getting picky.
[17:59] <tjagoda> Because you're old
[18:00]  * tjagoda nods
[18:00]  * tjagoda also ducks
[18:00] <snap-l> https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/leox3
[18:00] <brousch> crotchety
[18:00] <snap-l> Those memory sticks just scream "we're going to fail"
[18:01] <tjagoda> Okay
[18:01] <snap-l> The liquid cooling screams "we're going to leak"
[18:01] <rick_h_> you do have bad luck with memory snap-l
[18:01] <tjagoda> wtf?
[18:01] <tjagoda> I've had factory sealed liquid cooling for 6 years
[18:01] <snap-l> That video card screams "not brand name"
[18:01] <tjagoda> trasnported in my car sideways and upside down
[18:01] <snap-l> rick_h_: Do I? :)
[18:01] <tjagoda> through CPU replacements
[18:01] <tjagoda> 0 leaks
[18:01] <brousch> tjagoda: because you're young
[18:02] <snap-l> Had problems with Crucial memory, but I think it was because of some timing issues with the mobo and the memory.
[18:02] <rick_h_> yea, all the more reason to get a box assembled and shipped
[18:02] <rick_h_> fire it up, burn in before you ship it to me, if it fails one phone #
[18:02] <tjagoda> trufax
[18:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, and frankly for a laptop they could use "Happy Happy Fum MEMRY" and I wouldn't care
[18:03] <snap-l> but put it in a desktop, and I freak
[18:03] <rick_h_> as long as it runs
[18:04] <rick_h_> but that's back to trusting thinkpad
[18:04] <snap-l> Or maybe it's the lack of control, and the hope that it works.
[18:04] <tjagoda> I want to see thinkpad somehow betray rick_h
[18:04] <snap-l> I don't open my laptop unless it breaks
[18:04] <rick_h_> heh, I follow the CEO on G+ and have interviewed him. I'm not above spamming if my crap comes back as crap
[18:04] <tjagoda> just so I can view the rage
[18:04] <snap-l> I open my desktop to clean it.
[18:04] <snap-l> so I see the components at least monthly.
[18:05] <tjagoda> I wish my system76 laptop would die
[18:05] <snap-l> tjagoda: Give it to me
[18:05] <tjagoda> then I could have an excuse to buy an even more expensive system76
[18:05] <tjagoda> =(
[18:05] <snap-l> I'll make sure it's properly disposed of
[18:06] <snap-l> right next to the smouldering corpse of RIM. ;)
[18:06] <snap-l> (cheap shot, yes, I know)
[18:06] <rick_h_> nixternal: dude, who the #$#@ are blue systems?
[18:06] <snap-l> KDe support group
[18:07] <snap-l> Oh fuck me.
[18:07] <brousch> BLUE SYSTEMS ARE GOD
[18:07] <rick_h_> so like who are they, how do they exist, how do they make money, how would a fan give them money?
[18:07] <snap-l> Brought up Google plus, and front and center: "You might like: System 76"
[18:07] <rick_h_> http://blue-systems.com/ tells me jack @#$#@$@#
[18:07] <greg-g> they make money via horrible web design, that's how
[18:07] <brousch> rick_h_: linux action show covered it a little bit
[18:07] <rick_h_> I mean, it's great they're supporting stuff, but *how* are they doing it I want to know
[18:08] <snap-l> brousch: You still listen / watch that show?
[18:08] <rick_h_> I keep seeing people go work there, but that website is all the info about them I ever see
[18:08] <tjagoda> I also watch the Linux Action Show
[18:08] <brousch> i like them better than linux outlaws
[18:08] <rick_h_> yea, I thought they all lost their mics...or was that hoped they did...I can't recall ;)
[18:09] <tjagoda> They would need to loose more than mics, as they stream in HD video..
[18:09] <brousch> i like their cheesy broadcasting antics
[18:09] <tjagoda> I enjoy Bryan's cheesy antics
[18:19] <nixternal> rick_h_: i have no idea who blue systems are nor do i know how they operate or get money
[18:19] <nixternal> there isn't much out there about them either
[18:19] <rick_h_> nixternal: ok, your blog post made it seem like you might know more
[18:19] <nixternal> i just know how successful they have made mint
[18:20] <rick_h_> I didn't realize they were involved with mint
[18:20] <nixternal> just the kde version of it
[18:20] <brousch> isn't it just mint kde?
[18:20] <nixternal> yup
[18:20] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha. See I didn't know there was a mint kde lol
[18:21] <nixternal> mint & mint kde are probably 2 of the most solid distros out there. it is insane how well they are created and how well they run
[18:21] <nixternal> out of the box experience is bar none the best of any linux distro with mint
[18:21] <brousch> i want to try netrunner now
[18:22] <rick_h_> man, how many levels of distro do you want?
[18:22] <rick_h_> debian->ubuntu->kubuntu->netrunner?
[18:22] <nixternal> right now i am trying to figure out how a package i am working on can create a unity launcher icon or whatever it is called automatically.
[18:22] <rick_h_> nixternal: don't you justneed a .desktop file?
[18:22] <nixternal> where the hell does it go?
[18:22] <rick_h_> or you mean to get it placed on the panel automatically
[18:23] <nixternal> yes, place it in the panel automagically
[18:23] <rick_h_> lamo https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/pull/566
[18:23] <nixternal> i was going to rip on ubuntu & unity for making this so difficult, but kubuntu & kde isn't any easier
[18:23] <nixternal> and I am doing this w/o a /home/ directory because it is all configured and built in a chroot
[18:24] <rick_h_> yea, not sure.
[18:25] <brousch> don't you throw it in with the rest of the .desktop files to get it in the menu, then let the user add it where they want to?
[18:25] <nixternal> #ubuntu-unity must be enjoying release day. they are all probably at a bar right now
[18:25] <rick_h_> heh, probably
[18:25] <rick_h_> where's DBO when you need him?
[18:26] <nixternal> and i haven't found a damn thing via googling, and there could be a good chance it is due to the fact that i don't know the unity terminology and what is what. i just want to put an icon in that bar on the left during a package install.
[18:26] <rick_h_> he must know everything about it ;)
[18:27] <brousch> nixternal: during or after?
[18:27] <nixternal> i played with unity the other day. i think it is well done, but the fact i can't move the bar from the left to the right is nuts. you can download an app or compiz crap and move it to the bottom. my multi-monitor setup makes unity awful because of that damn bar
[18:27] <nixternal> brousch: either will work, as long as it is done automagically
[18:29] <nixternal> the reason i use linux is because i can do what i want and i am not locked into a certain way of working like windows makes you do, but unity is copying that philosophy i feel. great you want to limit the screw ups and bug reports, but damn, don't force me to change my workflow
[18:29] <brousch> i am in love with kde
[18:29] <nixternal> i could care less anymore what i use, as long as my workflow remains the same
[18:30] <nixternal> i am a ctrl+~ and alt+f2 whore
[18:30] <nixternal> ctrl+~ for yakuake
[18:30] <nixternal> i don't need a stinkin' menu
[18:30] <brousch> alt-f2 is  nice
[18:31] <brousch> i put a big sexy system monitor on my desktop yesterday
[18:31] <shakes808> coming in late in the conversation, but why not just build one yourself?  I have made Win machines and doesn't take too long.
[18:35] <nixternal> talk about fast, though i doubt you would ever notice any speed increases/decreases in dwm/awesome/wmii/xmonad and such. they are all fast already
[18:35] <rick_h_> yea, exactly
[18:35] <rick_h_> that's the thing, once it's working there's so little motiviation to change because wtf it works
[18:36] <rick_h_> now if it breaks...I'll be jumping over and trying xmonad again
[18:36] <rick_h_> but got better things to do at this point
[18:36] <brousch> shakes808: you do not know the level of obsession rick_h_ has for any seemingly trivial project/purchase
[18:36] <nixternal> created a package and use quilt to create and manage my patches for dwm. then use git to store everything which is nice
[18:36] <shakes808> lol
[18:37] <rick_h_> shakes808: oh no, os isn't the issue. install ubuntu off usb stick is a 20min deal and that's only because 10min is spent thinking of a hostname
[18:37] <shakes808> well, you need to make sure that you get the best deal and powerful hardware :D I spend some time figuring out what I want to put together as well
[18:37] <rick_h_> after that one scp and make install and done :)
[18:37] <nixternal> brousch: i have to agree on that. rick_h_ does obsess like that. he was trying to do something not to long ago, can't remember off hand. i think it was with jenkins
[18:37] <rick_h_> well mostly
[18:37] <rick_h_> tested baby! http://build.bmark.us/
[18:37] <nixternal> though jenkins really isn't trivial
[18:38] <rick_h_> nixternal: try out heroku tornado app http://readable.bmark.us/
[18:38] <nixternal> gotta love that java!
[18:38] <rick_h_> ugh, I do hate java, but not going to install build-not
[18:38] <rick_h_> and travis hates my c-extension required python packages :/
[18:38] <rick_h_> and it won't do stuff like pep8/pylint linting
[18:38] <shakes808> rick_h_: what is the link you sent?
[18:39] <rick_h_> shakes808: which one?
[18:39] <shakes808> lol build.bmark.us
[18:39] <rick_h_> the first is my home jenkins server running tests and such for my stuff on github
[18:39] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie
[18:39] <rick_h_> https://bmark.us/ is my bookmark app
[18:39] <rick_h_> readable is the service I need to get integrating into bmark.us
[18:41] <shakes808> *over head and nods*  .... okay
[18:41] <shakes808> lol
[18:41] <rick_h_> shakes808: pm me your email and I'll invite you to bmark.us
[18:41] <nixternal> damn, i just realized my mouse-overs don't work on my jenkins setup. shows you how non-obsessive i am. didn't realize it until looking at rick_h_'s
[18:42] <rick_h_> nixternal: you still @ ubuntu.com?
[18:42] <nixternal> use gmail.com
[18:42] <rick_h_> ok, invites sent, sign up and tinker around
[18:43] <nixternal> my @ubuntu.com stuff is unreadable at this point. i haven't done an inbox zero on it in probably 2 years. i will just do a "Mark all as read" on it from time-to-time
[18:43] <rick_h_> heh, gotcha
[18:46] <brousch> this article seems to imply that blue systems will offer commercial support for kubuntu http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/kubuntu-they-have-invested-millions-in-it/
[18:49] <brousch> oooh, jcastro made it into zdnet http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-1204-arrives-and-its-great/10836
[18:50] <jcastro> i did?
[18:51] <jcastro> oh cool
[18:51] <jcastro> dang, he stripped out my user code from the URL
[18:51] <jcastro> I miss out on a badge!
[18:52] <rick_h_> lol
[18:53] <brousch> heh
[18:55] <snap-l> I think my desktop is due for a re-install because I didn't move to 11.10
[18:55] <snap-l> bah
[18:55] <rick_h_> install all the bits!
[18:55] <snap-l> Not doing it the weekend before Penguicon.
[18:56] <rick_h_> do it do it do it
[18:56] <snap-l> Er, night rather.
[18:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: Shooooooosh
[18:56] <snap-l> I am completely removing my music drive, though
[18:57] <brousch> you need to do it today!
[18:57] <snap-l> Putting it in a separate house
[18:57] <snap-l> so Ubuntu can't touch it
[18:58]  * nixternal converts to the annoying assholes who keep posting the same crap over and over in an irc channel just to get help
[18:58] <nixternal> next step, ALL CAPS!
[19:00] <nixternal> wonder what kind of results i would get on askubuntu
[19:00] <nixternal> i had someone answer one of my questions with the wrong stuff & it was marked with a green checkmark. though that was a long time ago
[19:00] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/kubuntu-1204-sysmonitor-hawt.png
[19:01] <snap-l> nixternal: I HAS A PROBLEM WITH MY MOUSEKEYBOARD CAN NE1 HALP?
[19:01] <snap-l> nixternal: I HAS A PROBLEM WITH MY MOUSEKEYBOARD CAN NE1 HALP?
[19:01] <snap-l> H4LLO?
[19:01] <nixternal> i haven't gone there yet, but i am close
[19:01] <snap-l> NE1HERE!?!
[19:01] <nixternal> brousch: is that the system monitor installed with default kde or is that off of kde-look
[19:02] <brousch> default, though i tweaked the default kubuntu theme
[19:02] <snap-l> HOWU GET THAT?
[19:02] <nixternal> if i could have sex with my new laptop i would
[19:02] <brousch> i prefer gray to blue
[19:02] <snap-l> MAKE MAI KDE R4W3K
[19:02] <brousch> i love the network graph as i torrent all the isos
[19:03] <nixternal> i never see my desktop, so I don't use a single plasma widget
[19:03] <brousch> i just switch to an empty workspace
[19:03] <jrwren> rick_h_: does twitter really claim (c) over their API? because IIRC that is not copyrightable. That is how projects like WINE are allowed to clone win32 api.
[19:03] <nixternal> heh, i don't use plasma widgets, activities, the menu, workspaces, and such. sometimes i wonder why i still use kde
[19:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: right, but if this oracle/google case comes out that api's ARE copyrightable then what's to prevent twitter from doing it
[19:04] <brousch> no workspaces?
[19:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: so that's why I say it's scary
[19:04] <nixternal> nope
[19:04] <nixternal> all i really use are: yakuake, chrome, thunderbird, kopete, and polly
[19:04] <brousch> barbaric. might as well use windows
[19:04] <nixternal> and out of all of those, only 2 are kde
[19:05] <nixternal> oh, and i use the printer applet that has been broken since we created it 5 years ago
[19:06] <nixternal> for 3 years now the same bug has existed, but nobody but me can confirm it because i have spaces in the samba share name of my printer
[19:06] <snap-l> nixternal: broken printer FTW
[19:06] <nixternal> then again, i use my printer probably 5 times a year
[19:07] <snap-l> so that's 25x you've noticed it being broken and haven't fixed it
[19:07] <snap-l> I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY
[19:07] <nixternal> and for the fun of it, i connect to various people's wifi networks and use their printers. it would be safe to say, there are probably 10 printers right now that have a Kubuntu Flyer sitting there waiting for them to read it today :)
[19:08] <snap-l> nixternal: I'd be righteously mad if I wasn't laughing right now
[19:08] <nixternal> snap-l: yeah, i should really look into fixing it, but the issue is with the freedesktop.org stuff, and dealing with them is like trying to shover razer blades up your nose
[19:08] <jrwren> rick_h_: i'm pretty sure that API (C) has been in court and precident was that it is not (c)able. dates back to BSD reimpl of unix stuff IIRC. Would have to be something compelling to overturn that precedent.
[19:09] <snap-l> Just for grins, why do you have your printer shared over Samba?
[19:09] <snap-l> jrwren: See Oracle
[19:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, that's what greg-g is saying..don't worry about it. But it is scary to kind of think the damange that this case *could* have
[19:09] <rick_h_> at worst case it takes a while to clean up the mess
[19:10] <jrwren> i see.
[19:10] <jrwren> now i'll probably lose sleep over it :(
[19:10] <rick_h_> lol
[19:14] <snap-l> The big problem is it's one of those dippy things that people might think can be copyrighted
[19:16] <greg-g> dude, I'm totally copyrighting that idea
[19:16] <snap-l> But if you abstracted it and said something like an electrical outlet can be copyrighted, they'd think you were insane
[19:17] <snap-l> greg-g: You'll need to sign my NDA
[19:17] <greg-g> actually, I've spoke with some who think "well, if you made something you can prevent anyone from doing anything with it, so of course, it can be copyrighted, patented, trademarked, and locked up beyond belief"
[19:17] <snap-l> Yeah, those folks drive me insane
[19:17] <greg-g> sorry, you fail at society. go back to kindergarten
[19:18] <snap-l> Usually they're the same peope who think Amway works
[19:18] <greg-g> lol
[19:18] <snap-l> There are a handful of people who got rich off of Amway. They own Grand Rapids.
[19:18] <brousch> amways does work
[19:18] <snap-l> and most of West Michigan
[19:18] <brousch> see
[19:18] <greg-g> define "work"
[19:19] <nixternal> went to askubuntu with my issue seeing as irc isn't working for an answer :/
[19:19] <snap-l> greg-g: The people at the top of the pyramid
[19:19] <greg-g> snap-l: zactly
[19:19] <nixternal> snap-l: amway added to my grandparents fortune back in the day, just south of grand rapids
[19:19] <snap-l> nixternal: IRC is useless for questions on release week
[19:19] <greg-g> snap-l: but we don't call it a pyramid, it is Multi-Level Marketing
[19:19] <snap-l> nixternal: Awesome. Did they get in early?
[19:20] <brousch> rick devos just started a new $15,000,000 startup seed fund today
[19:20] <brousch> at least they do good things with the money
[19:20] <nixternal> snap-l: iirc they were doing it in the 70s, definitely early 80s
[19:20] <snap-l> brousch: Never said they didn't.   But for doing hourly rsync I don't notice
[19:44] <rick_h_> so once I got the initial copies over it does its job well
[19:44] <jrwren> if it can't max out gigabit, its slow.
[19:44] <rick_h_> atom cpu == rsync fail
[19:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, 5MB/s maxed cpu
[19:45] <nixternal> rick_h_: which synology product do you have?
[19:45] <rick_h_> but now it's very quiet, very power effecient
[19:45] <rick_h_> nixternal: the ds212j
[19:45] <greg-g> I like those qualities (quiet and efficient)
[19:45] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, exactly
[19:46] <jrwren> i keep my things in a closet far from where I sit, so quiet is nice. power efficient would be nice, but I can afford the $2/mo operating cost.
[19:46] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, but it was more the cost of upgrading to a higher end device + more bays + more disk
[19:47] <nixternal> rick_h_: yeah, i was looking at that one or the 411 slim
[19:47] <rick_h_> really a decent priced deice for getting NAS functionality. Reminds me need to setup my wife's laptop so we can back her up and get her on 12.04
[19:48] <rick_h_> nixternal: yea, the cpu is very limited and I'm using rsync for my backups to it, max's out at 5MB/s
[19:48] <rick_h_> setup is a bit strange, but nothing a linux use can't get past
[19:48] <rick_h_> it comes ootb without firmware
[19:48] <nixternal> i like what my buddy did. he grabbed these small systems and set one up with tahoe. pretty damn sweet & fast
[19:49] <rick_h_> tahoe?
[19:49] <nixternal> he bought them at tiger direct for like $75 each and then grabbed drives for them
[19:49] <nixternal> tahoelafs, distributed file system
[19:49] <rick_h_> ah ok
[19:50] <rick_h_> it's nice for that warm/fuzzy feeling of safe backups going constantly
[19:50] <nixternal> you wouldn't even realize what the machines are when you look at them, because they look exactly like a wireless router
[19:50] <rick_h_> hah
[19:50] <nixternal> he has like 4TB of space, and if one fails, his data is still golden
[19:53] <nixternal> ok, he is no longer using tahoe, he has switched to openstack object storage
[19:53] <rick_h_> ah nice
[19:53] <nixternal> damn, making me want to buy a few small rigs to do the same thing
[20:35] <brousch> hm, it took 2 years but i finally "lost" all 5 of my 1GB usb drives
[20:35] <rick_h_> doh, time to order more!
[20:35] <brousch> and by lost i mean did not get them back when people used them to install ubuntu at meetings
[20:36] <rick_h_> you know what would rock, a 64gb esata thumbdrive
[20:36] <rick_h_> guess it would need power hmmm
[20:38] <snap-l> It's called SSD. ;)
[20:39] <rick_h_> snap-l: right, but without a case, small thumbdrive size
[20:39] <rick_h_> but that's the idea right, ssd in a thumbdrive
[20:40] <shakes808_> Later all
[20:42] <rick_h_> sweet, my synology does have the s3 backup, I forsee an increase in my s3 bill next month
[20:46] <brousch> i love kubuntu. that is all
[20:47] <brousch> i can download a dozen torrents while buring a cd while copying tons of crap to usb and have no slowness in my other programs
[21:06] <nixternal> rick_h_: what do you average on your s3 bill? i haven't committed yet to setting up my amazon stuff. how much do you typically store/use it?
[21:16] <rick_h_> nixternal: so it says I've got 32GB of stuff in there for 4.00
[21:16] <rick_h_> nixternal: that's last month's stuff, I do bmark.us db dumps and exports twice a day to s3
[21:17] <rick_h_> as well as lococast episodes, some other backup stuff, my purchased books, screenshots, etc
[21:17] <rick_h_> nixternal: so $3 more in transfer fees there of 27GB of transfer out
[21:19] <nixternal> damn, just $4/mo for 32gb of stuff?
[21:32] <rick_h_> nixternal: yea, for the storage, and $3 for the outbound transfer, free to put it in
[21:33] <snap-l> just CC all of your data and put it on archive.org. ;)
[21:33] <rick_h_> lol
[21:33] <snap-l> freebits4lyfeyo
[21:33] <rick_h_> $0.125 per GB - first 1 TB / month of storage used
[21:34] <rick_h_> so if I backed up my whole backup drive, 900GB of it to s3 it'd be $112/mo :/
[21:34] <rick_h_> ok, so we'll definitely scale back from the whole drive
[21:36] <nixternal> lol
[21:37] <greg-g> snap-l++
[21:39] <nixternal> snap-l: good idea, let me CC all of my tax returns & social security number while I am at it :p
[21:40] <nixternal> shouldn't be hard to at least figure out the first 3 numbers of my social. born in michigan in 1974
[21:42] <greg-g> nixternal: your SSN isn't protected by (C) in the first place.
[21:42] <greg-g> neither are your tax returns
[21:43] <nixternal> interesting, my first 3 numbers in my social aren't michigan, i always thought they were
[21:43] <nixternal> another interesting thing is illinois numbers are lower than michigan numbers. michigan is further east than illinois, therefor they should have lower numbers. numbers are the lowest in the northeast, and increase as you move westward
[21:47] <nixternal> DAMNIT! i removed libreoffice & gnome-games from my custom iso, and added new packages. somehow my ISO is 740MB :/
[21:47] <nixternal> oh, 711MB, still to big
[21:47] <theflakeman> so, i have kind of a noob question here
[21:48] <theflakeman> i'm dual-booting win7 and natty
[21:48] <theflakeman> i want to wipe natty and do a clean install of precise
[21:48] <theflakeman> do i need to change anything in my grub, or anything?
[21:52] <theflakeman> Oh, also: win7 and ubuntu are on separate drives
[22:37] <theflakeman> well, backin up my files now. we'll see what happens, i suppose
[22:41] <theflakeman> later
[23:18] <snap-l> Well, we can't yell that theflakeman didn't wait.
[23:28] <rick_h_> snap-l: ok, it's time to get a new radio
[23:37] <rick_h_> bah, the logitech remote app doesn't run on ICS and my nexus :(
[23:39] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh that sucks. :(
[23:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: There's another one, though. One sech.
[23:43] <snap-l> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer&feature=related_apps#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOSwiZGUuYmx1ZWdhc3BvZGUuc3F1ZWV6ZXBsYXllciJd
[23:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[23:44] <rick_h_> snap-l: cool, yea looks like they did push an update that makes it work, works sucky, but does run
[23:44] <rick_h_> and the wife is pre-ICS so going to get it and just hope they update the app or use an alternate you lik mention
[23:44] <snap-l> Yeah, the logitech software was kinda crappy on the iPhone as well
[23:44] <snap-l> I used iPeng on the iPhone
[23:45] <rick_h_> so thanks for the coupon
[23:45] <snap-l> yw. :)
[23:45] <snap-l> I knew it would come in handy.
[23:45] <snap-l> Are you running software players now?
[23:46] <rick_h_> no
[23:46] <rick_h_> I just want the box to work, right now trying to stream the draft and it won't connect to the stream :/
[23:46] <snap-l> Wait, what are you using as a client?
[23:46] <rick_h_> I'm buying a box, no client. I want it to be the radio
[23:47] <rick_h_> I'm using my grace to connect to the espn radio stream
[23:47] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[23:47] <snap-l> You can pre-flight the Squeezebox software
[23:47] <snap-l> use squeezeslave as a software client
[23:47] <rick_h_> yea, all good. I'll tinker with it at some point
[23:48] <snap-l> lmk if you need help
[23:48] <rick_h_> will do, not springing for the extra shipping so we'll see in a couple of weeks
[23:49]  * snap-l waits for rick_h_ to pick up a transporter. :)
[23:50] <rick_h_> transporter?
[23:50] <snap-l> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/transporter-se
[23:50] <snap-l> aka death by stereo
[23:50] <rick_h_> hah
[23:51] <snap-l> Erica catches you buying that, you'll be sleeping with Jordan.
[23:51] <rick_h_> heh, yea I think I'll stay away from that
[23:51] <snap-l> The touch is nice, though
[23:51] <snap-l> Also if you can find the classic on eBay for cheap, it's nice.
[23:52] <rick_h_> the touch doesn't seem to have much for a speaker
[23:52] <snap-l> The touch is a component
[23:52] <snap-l> needs an amplifier / speakers
[23:52] <rick_h_> yea, that's ok. Just want something I can pull pandora in for the boy, some espn/local radio while doing the dishes
[23:53] <snap-l> Trust me, it's an addition
[23:53] <rick_h_> otherwise I just use my phone or my laptop
[23:53] <snap-l> addiction
[23:53] <rick_h_> hah
[23:53] <rick_h_> that's ok, I've got enough of those
[23:54] <nixternal> damn, that logitech is a lot of money
[23:54] <rick_h_> the transporter?
[23:54] <rick_h_> yea, that's crazy
[23:54] <nixternal> my samsung blueray does all that
[23:55] <rick_h_> yea, this is upstairs where it's the only device
[23:55] <rick_h_> we don't have tv/computers/etc where we play with the boy
[23:55] <snap-l> nixternal: The transporter is for people who measure their listening experience with a meter
[23:55] <nixternal> i bet that would be the only way you could tell a difference
[23:56] <nixternal> i use ampache and every network enabled device in my house can stream from it
[23:56] <snap-l> Yeah, the nice part about the Squeezebox is you can control each of the clients
[23:57] <snap-l> and sync them
[23:57] <nixternal> i was gonna brign up the squeezebox. my neighbor hates his
[23:57] <snap-l> nixternal: Why?
[23:58] <nixternal> i guess latency/lag issues
[23:58] <snap-l> wtf?
[23:58] <snap-l> Sounds like his network is a POS.
[23:58] <nixternal> i have no idea, i just no it will stop playing
[23:59] <nixternal> very well could be, but he has gig net all through the house. i know, i put it in there :)