[23:39] <un_dave> russK: yeah. on topics like that, i found the documentation very very sparse
[23:39] <gbear14275> a 31 band EQ for short would have controls to cut up to 31 different different frequency ranges
[23:39] <aboSamoor> I am using ubuntu 8.10 and Amarok 2.0, my thinkpad r61 multimedia keys are not working with amarok. Rhythmbox is just working fine.
[23:39] <russK> un_dave:  did you use ubuntu installer?  I had this working with gentoo - they have a good guide
[23:39] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: poorly written code can easily 'leak' memory.
[23:39] <doug___> hey guys i was just in here looking for some help to back up a hdd...
[23:39] <un_dave> russK: i was assured it could be done, but no one was sure how
[23:39] <gbear14275> you will commonly find, 2, 3, 5 and 7 band eq's
[23:39] <doug___> but im a little lost
[23:39] <derklempner> Can anyone assist me on auto-mounting a shared network drive that uses NTFS?
[23:40] <n8tuser2> gbear14275-> oh okay, i thought its related to ubuntu admin stuff
[23:40] <un_dave> russK: hang on and i'll find my ubuntu post about it.
[23:40] <U-b-u-n-t-u> gnutron but this is a freshly installed version of 8.10
[23:40] <gbear14275> n8tuser2: nope sorry... sound stuff
[23:40] <doug___> i guess i have to ask again...what is the best way to image an internal laptop to a 2.5 inch hdd connected via a sata2usb connector
[23:40] <russK> un_dave: the gentoo guide for software raid with lvm2 is nice, but i can't convince ubuntu installer to do the same
[23:40] <Float> Can anyone suggest a good WYSIWYG LaTeX editor?
[23:41] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: it should settle down, it must be chewing on something difficult.
[23:41] <badawi> nevermind, found it
[23:41] <filthpig> hi, how do I remove the blacklisted ati gfx card on hardy? I remember them being blacklisted, but not how to remove it o:)
[23:41] <buntoaster> where can i find info on restoring desk top after installing a restricted driver that didn't work?
[23:41] <U-b-u-n-t-u> gnutron nothing else is running when I try to view the avi file ith totem it goes from 1% cpu to 99%-100%
[23:41] <un_dave> russK: i think i used that gentoo guide as well, but here's my forum links anyway
[23:41] <un_dave> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552093
[23:42] <un_dave> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616497
[23:42] <temppy> doug___: have you looked at the !backup factoid?
[23:42] <moDumass> hmm, seems its nvidia drivers that are causing the problem
[23:42] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: could be a codec issue or a corrupted avi
[23:42] <russK> thanks un_dave
[23:42] <doug___> no where can i find it
[23:42] <moDumass> any ideas on how to get widescreen compiz and 1440x900 going
[23:42] <U-b-u-n-t-u> gnutron I thought of that so I tried 4 other avi files and they all ran the cpu up to 100%
[23:42] <moDumass> i cant get that happy combo working
[23:43] <temppy> doug___: try typing this: /msg ubottu !backup
[23:43] <un_dave> russK: i never did get it to work the way i wanted. :( ended up with an unraided system drive, and raid 5 for my home directory.
[23:43] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: re-install totem might help. not sure.
[23:43] <un_dave> russK: i'd be curious to know what you think about the way i did it.
[23:44] <buntoaster> where can i find info on restoring desk top after installing a restricted driver that didn't work?
[23:44] <U-b-u-n-t-u> gnutron I did that too and installed all the plugins and re-installed and I tried another movie player kmplayer etc all the same 100% cpu
[23:44] <buntoaster> i would like to read up on this if someone would point me tks
[23:44] <rathel> I installed intrepid over hardy when I run pavucontrol and try to change the volume of something, the sound just cuts out until I move the volume back to where it was. Help? I'm using Fluxbox by the way.
[23:44] <doug___> duplicity...is that something i can use to image...or jsut a file backup...
[23:44] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: i can't explain that, strange.
[23:45] <russK> ok, un_dave, but i'm not real experienced with raid ... i'm just kindof experimenting ... first time with LVM too which i really like
[23:45] <doug___> i want to use this new hdd as my main
[23:45] <doug___> going from a 250 hdd to a 320 hd
[23:45] <U-b-u-n-t-u> gnutron yeah its odd I can put those avi's on my vista machine and it doesnt increase the cpu over about 20% and both boxes have the same cpu
[23:45] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: i would suspect the codecs used to create the file you're viewing.
[23:46] <moDumass> i have 177 installed, but i cant select it from hardware drivers, it onlu gives me 173 as an option, but it says another driver is running
[23:46] <filthpig> Any idea on how to remove the blacklisting on ATi Radeon 9200 mobility cards?
[23:46] <moDumass> but will 177 i cant enable desktop effects
[23:46] <U-b-u-n-t-u> gnutron and this has only happen with 8.10
[23:46] <blbrown> am I wrong or why can't I restart my machine.  wtf
[23:46] <blbrown> by clicking on the restart button
[23:46] <buntoaster> thanks
[23:46] <jason__> What's up ladies and gents?
[23:47] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: 8.10 isn't perfect...
[23:47] <jason__> Why the dashes between Ubuntu?
[23:47] <bluefox83> ok, i'm having issues getting my freshly installed ubuntu 8.10 to see my samba share on my home server (running 8.04) it worked before i reinstalled so i know it's not the server
[23:47] <U-b-u-n-t-u> gnutron I think I am going back to 8.04
[23:47] <gnutron> U-b-u-n-t-u: your resources are a factor also.
[23:47] <nj32> How do I connect to haskell irc from xchat? I am complete noob, using IRC for the first time. Help.
[23:47] <blbrown> that is funny, I can't shutdown my machine.  ubuntu is that good, it won't even let you crash the operating system
[23:47] <Claw6> kann mir jemand vll nen news grabber empfehlen ?
[23:47] <blbrown> nj32, /join #haskell ....
[23:47] <GodfatherofEire> How might I go about disabling LOTS of system fonts without having to remove them?
[23:48] <bluefox83> !samba
[23:48] <filthpig> !de | Claw6
[23:48] <un_dave> russK: well that was my first attempt at it, and it was about a year ago. i actually revisited the whole topic over the last week, because i added another 1tb drive into the raid5 array, and had to grow it.
[23:48] <un_dave> russK: that was interesting :S
[23:48] <nj32> blbrown, thanks
[23:48] <gnutron> nj32: you need the fqdn then /server irc.haskell.net or .org or .com
[23:48] <Claw6> anybody can recommed me a good news grabber for ubuntu?
[23:48] <derklempner> Can anyone offer some assistance in auto-mounting an NTFS partition on a shared network computer?
[23:48] <Float> I installed LyX via Add/Remove programs, but don't see it in my program list. Any one know why?
[23:49] <mon^rch> how can I revert to the totem plugin in firefox (I like the visualizations)?
[23:49] <gnutron> nj32: fqdn = fully qualified domain name
[23:49] <jason__> Does anyone know if Full Circle (unofficial Ubuntu magazine) released their "Building an Ultimate Server" entry yet?
[23:49] <nj32> gnutron, thanks
[23:49] <GodfatherofEire> Float, try altering the main menu via alacarte (I.e. main menu under system prefs)
[23:49] <jin> how do I know if I have the 32bit or the 64bit version of Ubuntu?
[23:49] <onetinsoldier> hello. i'm having an installation problem. i have a linux installation already on a hard drive, with 9 partitions(one primary and the rest logical) and a swap partition. now i want to install Ubuntu 8.10 with. 9 partitions of it's own. this ends up being partitions 14-22. whenever the installer gets to formatting partition #16 it fails. i just installed smartmontools and did a 'long extended' test of the drive. no errors. any
[23:49] <onetinsoldier> one have any idea what might be wrong?
[23:49] <eternaljoy> can Ubuntu 8.04 play DVD movies?
[23:50] <gnutron> nj32: whois your domain guesses in a  term to determine if they exist
[23:50] <Claw6> eternaljoy, yes
[23:50] <kristian1> sudo apt-get upgrade - upgrades all installed packages, but does it upgrade to new kernel? does not explain in help.ubuntu.com
[23:50] <nj32> k
[23:50] <bluefox83> eternaljoy: yeah if you install the codecs and aren't trying to play files that are hosted on a windows machine
[23:50] <eternaljoy> Claw6: what I need to do?
[23:50] <nj32> whois irc.haskell.org
[23:50] <eternaljoy> bluefox83: how I install codecs?
[23:50] <keres_> what does "mv: cannot move `maps' to `/home/keres/.quake2world/default/maps': Directory not empty" mean?
[23:50] <Claw6> eternaljoy, i would install vnc player
[23:50] <gnutron> nj32: IANA internet assigned names and numbers assigns those
[23:50] <eternaljoy> !vnc
[23:51] <eternaljoy> Claw6: vnc?
[23:51] <bluefox83> !dvd > eternaljoy
[23:51] <gnutron> nj32:  http://www.iana.org/
[23:51] <nj32> gnutron: do i first have to log in on a server, and then join the channel?
[23:51] <gnutron> nj32: yes
[23:51] <Claw6> eternaljoy, try "sudo apt-get install vlc" sry vnc is a different thing :P
[23:52] <nj32> gnutron: the detail is this:    $ irssi -c chat.freenode.net -n myname -w mypassword
[23:52] <nj32>    /join #haskell
[23:52] <user___q> hi!  How can i access in terminal directories that have names with spaces? like C:\Program Files
[23:52] <user___q> ?
[23:52] <gnutron> nj32: omit the spaces preceeding /join
[23:52] <five_> how do i patch b43 driver?
[23:52] <user___q> no, not on irc
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> user___q: use tab completion?
[23:52] <kitche> user___q: like this Program\ Files or use double quotes around it
[23:52] <\slash> whats an easy way to get my ip without ifconfig command
[23:52] <user___q> ah
[23:52] <almark> After I updated my Ubuntu Studio, the update failed. And Firefox will not work now. What did I do?
[23:53] <user___q> thank you, kitche
[23:53] <nj32> gnutron: do i also need to log in to chat.freenode.net?
[23:53] <user___q> :-)
[23:53] <almark> I did a update I mean
[23:53] <kristian1> sudo apt-get upgrade - upgrades all installed packages, but does it upgrade to new kernel? does not explain in help.ubuntu.com
[23:53] <gnutron> nj32: http://irssi.org for docs
[23:53] <nj32> k
[23:53] <user___q> thanks all
[23:53] <bruenig> user___q: you are welcome
[23:53] <Vantrax> kristian1, I belive it upgrades kernel version but not distro versions
[23:53] <keres_> anyone? help?
[23:53] <almark> It tried to install a kernel but that didn't work, because my kernel is in /boot/ubuntustudio
[23:54] <keres_> please?
[23:54] <redrebel> how come I cannot see my windows computers using the Network icon?
[23:54] <redrebel> i have samba installed and it's running in the background
[23:54] <bluefox83> !samba
[23:54] <Claw6> redrebel, windows firewall maybe?
[23:54] <gnutron> nj32: irc.freenode.net
[23:54] <kajo> I'm having troubles with mounting iPods in 8.04... anyone able to help or point me in the right direction?
[23:54] <kristian1> Vantrax : ok thanks. :) so i guess i have to manually install when new distro are released?
[23:55] <gnutron> njpatel: chat.freenode.net could be an alias i dunno
[23:55] <bluefox83> ok, so shouldn't ubuntu show everything hosted on a samba share if i have the samba client installed?
[23:55] <kajo> I was trying to use this: http://davesource.com/Solutions/20080225.iPod-linux-read-only.html, but I've had a significant detour from what he writs, and noticed a line that creates an interesting question in my /etc/fstab.
[23:55] <bluefox83> like, it should atleast show the shares >.>
[23:55] <almark> Does anyone know why update failed from within Ubuntu
[23:55] <bluefox83> almark: whats the error?
[23:55] <\slash> how can i get my internet addy.. ifconfig gives me local ip
[23:56] <gnutron> njpatel: wrong nick, sorry.
[23:56] <almark> I couldn't install the kernel and the image
[23:56] <almark> It I mean
[23:56] <bluefox83> almark: show the error please >.>
[23:56] <almark> I can't
[23:56] <bluefox83> why not?
[23:56] <Vantrax> kristian1, there is another tag for that, but yes
[23:56] <kristian1> \slash : whatismyipaddress.com
[23:56] <kajo> and/or what's a command to check what is connected to your usb port, when it is not mounted?
[23:56] <almark> its not on my screen right now
[23:56] <bluefox83> -_-
[23:57] <|unjustice|> ubottu: wine
[23:57] <bluefox83> almark: that's not very helpful...we can't tell you why it didn't work until we see the error msg
[23:57] <kristian1> Vantrax : ok, thanks for clearing things up. :)
[23:57] <Vantrax> \slash, you will need to set up port forwarding for anything getting sent to your machine at the router level tho.
[23:57] <almark> I know I'll try to update again and hopefuly give you the error
[23:57] <kajo> and/or what's a command to check what is connected to your usb port, when it is not mounted?
[23:57] <bluefox83> k
[23:57] <\slash> vantrax i doubt i would have to, but how would i get my real ip
[23:57] <JohnE> I have a centos box with no video card.  How can I put ubuntu on it?
[23:58] <user___q> somethingS' wrong with my wine, I think. I just installed it today. Am new to linux. Just as a test i tried the command wine wmlaunch.exe  which is the windows media player. I know there are better players in linux, it's just a test. and i got this: http://pastebin.com/d3411a7ea  What have I done wrong?
[23:58] <kristian1> \slash : whatismyipaddress.com
[23:58] <mib_7e261i> I need some help, somehow, my subnet mask is stuck at 22, and I can't change it, because an error says the connection is read only
[23:58] <kristian1> \slash :-P
[23:58] <\slash> kristian i'd like to do it without having to go to url
[23:58] <\slash> windows cmd ipconfig/all shows all ips
[23:58] <\slash> im sure ubuntu has a better way of putting it
[23:58] <Vantrax> \slash, assuming you can connect to the internet go to www.whatismyip.com which will give you your IP
[23:59] <\slash> vantrax i agree but isnt there a better way
[23:59] <gnutron> \slash: /whois \slash  will show you your FQDN, that can be used to determine your numeric ip address.
[23:59] <doug___> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 ran from live cd woudl back up one drive to another byte for byte correct
[23:59] <Vantrax> \slash ipconfig /all shows local IP addresses too, not your external one to the net
[23:59] <doug___> resulting in a bootable second drive
[23:59] <redneck> could some expert tell me what is the safest way to update Hardy's network manager to version 0.7?
[23:59] <kristian1> \slash : does cmd ipconfig /all give inet address?
[23:59] <\slash> gnutron im on bouncer bro
[23:59] <almark> Sorry but I can't get it to tell the error again, I tried to update Ubuntu again, but its says updated less then one hour ago.


[00:42] <asac> so this ubuntu mozilla firefox thingy is bit  unstable in gdocs recently for me. anyone knows anything?


[12:38] <AlexLatchford> dfarning: gammar :P
[12:38] <AlexLatchford> grammar even
[09:21] <AlexLatchford> Anyone else find that renaming a folder in <IP_ADDRESS> TB produces an error
[09:22] <AlexLatchford> No wait, changing its capitals does..
[09:22] <AlexLatchford> so from 'test' to 'Test' produces an error
[09:47] <asac> hmm
[09:47] <asac> problem with case sensitiveness?
[11:00] <asac> ok fellows ... totem will be fixed soon ... please search through db and mark all bugs that have gtk_style_realize in trace as duplicate of the master filepicker bug ... and merge all current gtk_style_realize bugs as well as theme crash master bug in one bug
[11:00] <asac> as soon as totem is uploaded we will close all these ande then look if any such thing is ever reported again :)
[11:08] <gnomefreak> asac: i got alot of them yesterday if i am ablet o get on line today i will try
[11:08] <asac> good
[11:08] <asac> in fact all gtk_realize belong to the same bug
[11:09] <asac> so ::nsFilePicker ... nsAppShell::Run ... etc.
[11:09] <asac> all are one ;)
[11:09] <asac> and should be gone :)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> they are all one?
[11:09] <asac> yes
[11:09] <gnomefreak> goodie
[11:10] <asac> all crashes will be gone :)
[11:10] <asac> finally some chance to clean things up in bts :)
[11:10] <asac> ok ... i am out for 10 minutes ... got to get narcotics like cigarettes, bread, coffee :)
[11:13] <asac> bug 90333
[11:13] <gnomefreak> as soon as i find out wtf is going on ill be starting my coffee iv
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90333 in totem "totem plugin causes frequent gecko crashes because NPPVpluginKeepLibraryInMemory is broken" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90333
[11:13] <asac> is the one that works around it
[11:14] <asac> maybe drop a note to the master bugs
[11:14] <asac> that this workaround fixes this for us
[11:14] <asac> i will open a new bug, which will deal with NPPVpluginKeepLibraryInMemory is broken in mozilla
[11:14] <asac> as this is just bad
[11:14] <asac> though totem is the only plugin we have in archive that uses this option
[11:14] <gnomefreak> k
[11:15] <asac> ok got to got and find things above
[11:15] <gnomefreak> someone is saying <IP_ADDRESS> tb is borked
[11:16] <asac> about what?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> im trying to find out
[11:16] <gnomefreak> heno in -devel is saying it
[11:18] <asac> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[11:18] <asac> i don't see new bugs
[11:18] <asac> at least not frequent ones
[11:21] <gnomefreak> bug 90066
[11:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90066 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90066
[11:21] <gnomefreak> it looks like a crash without coredump :(
[11:22] <gnomefreak> but take a look at those if you find them able to be retraced i will try them.
[11:25] <asac> me too
[11:25] <asac> :)
[11:25] <asac> buy narcotics (see above)
[11:36] <asac> gnomefreak: can we retrace tbir?
[11:36] <asac> or are there no -dbgsym packages?
[11:44] <asac> there should be -dbgsym packages ... but do they yield good traces?
[11:51] <asac> reassigne two tbird crashes to gnomefreak ... maybe you can retrace :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> ill try
[12:34] <gnomefreak> in feisty ther eis
[12:38] <gnomefreak> bug 90066 needs coredump ;)
[12:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90066 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90066
[12:39] <gnomefreak> asac: i only see one report assigned to me. what was the 2nd one?
[12:40] <asac> hmm
[12:40] <asac> bug 90346
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90346 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() (dup-of: 90348)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90346
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90348 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90348
[12:41] <asac> ah ... he posted a new one and closed the original
[12:41] <asac> maybe the new one already has symbols?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> i got it :)
[12:42] <asac> close bug 90066
[12:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90066 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90066
[12:42] <asac> with "please report new bug if you ever get a new crash report. thank you"
[12:42] <asac> we should really eliminate the mt-needreport imo
[12:43] <gnomefreak> i asked for full report on that one
[12:43] <asac> its just not worth to take care
[12:43] <asac> better close right away and let reporter know how to better report next time
[12:43] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... you can always do what you like of course :)
[12:43] <asac> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/90348
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90348 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]
[12:43] <gnomefreak> :) i want to try feisty retrace locally to see if i can get a good stack
[12:43] <asac> bad?
[12:44] <asac> heno installed -dbgsym
[12:44] <asac> crazy that such a bad stack came out of it
[12:44] <asac> i would really like to know if thunderbird retraces work at all
[12:44] <asac> maybe -dbgsym pacckages are borked
[12:44] <asac> and i have to do something about this when building package
[12:45] <gnomefreak> well lets see what happens with the retrace first. im not sure the -dbgsym help without retrace.
[12:45] <asac> :)
[12:45] <asac> sure
[12:45] <gnomefreak> brb
[01:00] <gnomefreak> IMHO we need -dbg packages for everything we support and add them as depends of the main package. this way when we get a crash report most of the stack should be good
[01:00] <asac> hmmm probably it won't work ... i am build dbgsym packages for now
[01:00] <asac> hehe
[01:00] <asac> no
[01:00] <asac> definitly not
[01:00] <asac> depends of main package would mean:
[01:00] <gnomefreak> why too big?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> like tb or ff
[01:00] <asac> yes
[01:00] <gnomefreak> tb more so
[01:00] <asac> tb just has no  proper dbgsym package
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:00] <asac> because the package does not work well with dbg_create_dbgsym
[01:01] <asac> i am producing one for now
[01:01] <asac> and will upload fixed version to feisty, so we get good dbgsym in future automatically
[01:01] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[01:03] <gnomefreak> this is crap but there are a few things in threadstack that have info but not much help im gonna assume.
[01:04] <gnomefreak> my retrace looks exactly like his stack and thread stack
[01:04] <gnomefreak> but thats good because im not seeing the errors i do with ff.
[01:04] <gnomefreak> im gonna run a firefox one to see whats up :)
[01:14] <gnomefreak> asac: did heno give you a testcase on the tb crash by chance?
[01:15] <asac> hmmm not
[01:15] <asac> maybe ask him
[01:15] <asac> but i think its not reproducible
[01:16] <asac> at least not easily
[01:16] <gnomefreak> well ill put it on hold till you get the package ready
[01:21] <asac> yup
[01:23] <asac> mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym
[01:25] <asac> damn
[01:25] <asac> X crashed
[01:25] <asac> somehow
[01:25] <asac> no crash report though
[01:27] <asac> ok
[01:27] <asac> dbgsym are in mt-feisty
[01:27] <asac> you need to pull them by hand i guess
[01:27] <asac> they appear to be not included in Packages
[01:27] <asac> file
[01:27] <asac> so
[01:27] <asac> if version is wrong, let me know
[01:28] <asac> i can respin with -1
[01:29] <gnomefreak> they are on preview archive?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> asac: version should be ubuntu1 iirc butt i will check soon. you also need to respin 386 unless you want me to
[01:32] <asac> oh
[01:32] <asac> yes i'll do
[01:32] <asac> let me first upload the fixed package
[01:32] <asac> then I do a respin for i386
[01:32] <asac> for ubuntu1
[01:33] <gnomefreak> ok coll im working on a ff retrace atm so whenever you get it just ping me
[01:33] <asac> will take at least 40min ... because i386 chroot is indeed slower than mighty amd64 ;)
[01:40] <gnomefreak> thast fine ill do it later this afternoon than. my aunt has a meeting in 20 minutes and than 2 others after that i would rather not tie up bandwidth incase she needs pc during meetings
[01:41] <gnomefreak> and i really dont like this "Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)"
[01:41] <asac> yes thats a pita
[01:41] <asac> we could close these bugs ... but hjmf apparently can retrace them
[01:45] <gnomefreak> he can?
[01:45] <gnomefreak> oh on fx?
[01:47] <asac> yes
[01:47] <asac> afaik
[01:47] <asac> he managed to do traces on reports that you (an me) failed on
[01:47] <gnomefreak> im trying one more fx retrace before im done for a the morning.
[01:47] <gnomefreak> im kind of wondering how (what does he do differently :(
[01:51] <gnomefreak> bbl
[01:51] <asac> ok ... i can do ppc retraces :)
[01:51] <asac> on ubuntu machine
[01:52] <asac> so if you have one let me know
[01:52] <asac> gnomefreak: you have one bug that you got frame PC on ?
[01:53] <asac> i have access to pitti on-server-retrace environment and want to see what those yield
[01:53] <gnomefreak> there is on eor 2 ppc bugs needing retracing in you look at the tags page under mt-needretrace. ( i think i changed sumary to add PPC in it
[01:53] <gnomefreak> i dont have bug off hand
[01:55] <asac> yeah ... but one with those "no frame PC" ?
[01:55] <asac> i would like to try if pitti i386 environment fixes it
[01:55] <gnomefreak> k its bug 90027 that does that here
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90027 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90027
[01:56] <gnomefreak> im in middle of trying something on it atm
[01:56] <asac> ok
[01:56] <asac> will try
[01:56] <gnomefreak> Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
[01:57] <gnomefreak> that is after thread 10 #19
[01:57] <asac> ok
[01:58] <gnomefreak> full stack that i get --- stack trace ---
[01:58] <gnomefreak> #0  0xb7f8b410 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
[01:58] <gnomefreak> #1  0xb7ddd4f1 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
[01:58] <gnomefreak> #2  0x08057836 in ?? ()
[01:58] <gnomefreak> #3  0x0000000b in ?? ()
[01:58] <gnomefreak> #4  0xbfe5f2ec in ?? ()
[01:58] <gnomefreak> #5  0x00000000 in ?? ()
[01:58] <gnomefreak> --- thread stack trace ---
[01:58] <asac> lets see
[01:58] <asac> on ronne
[01:58] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while
[01:58] <asac> yeah same dump
[01:58] <asac> trace
[01:58] <asac> cu
[02:00] <gnomefreak> if you get around to it ask him what that error means and see if he can figure out why we cant retrace it even on his pc please. im going back to bed i think
[02:01] <asac> ok sleep well
[02:02] <asac> ill wait and see if hjmf can retrace
[02:02] <asac> anyway ...in this case stack looks really corrupted
[02:02] <asac> its not the same message with frame PC ... you know
[02:02] <asac> anyway ... relax
[02:04] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: you called last night?
[02:06] <asac> gnomefreak: ok dbgsym packages for tbird are in mt-feisty
[02:06] <asac> ubunt1 + i386
[02:13] <AlexLatchford> asac: whats the package name?
[02:21] <asac> of dbgsym?
[02:22] <asac> AlexLatchford: ^
[02:22] <asac> ?
[02:22] <AlexLatchford> oh dbgsym lol
[02:22] <AlexLatchford> mewh ill keep quiet
[02:22] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/mt-feisty/mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_i386.ddeb
[02:22] <asac> i think you have to install by hand
[02:22] <asac> aka dpkg -i
[02:22] <AlexLatchford> yes
[02:22] <asac> do to retraces
[02:23] <AlexLatchford> yeah I need to read the guide first, should be able to get through it later on tonight
[02:23] <AlexLatchford> have to go out to College now
[02:23] <AlexLatchford> :( talk to you guys later
[02:23] <asac> its just that tbird debian/rules was broken so pittis dbgsym were not proper for tbird
[02:23] <asac> cu
[02:44] <asac> hmm ... so how big are firefox-dbg packages? maybe tbird -dbgsym are only that small because they are not proper?
[02:45] <asac> firefox-dbgsym package i mean
[02:58] <asac> ok found ... -dbgsym packages are ment to be same size as -dbg
[02:58] <asac> uploaded fixed -dbgsym now
[04:11] <asac> poningru: gavinbaker?
[06:22] <hjmf> hello all
[06:22] <hjmf> asac: when you have some time. Take a look to bug #90039 and bug #90037
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90039 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90039
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90037 in firefox "firefox crash in libflashplayer.so [@g_timeout_dispatch]  " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90037
[06:23] <hjmf> I couldnt get a good retrace but both seem to be caused by flashplugin
[06:24] <hjmf> what is our policy then? should I close them?
[06:27] <asac> hmm for bug 90039
[06:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90039 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90039
[06:27] <asac> we have no chance
[06:27] <asac> maybe ensure that xorg dbgsym packages are installed
[06:27] <asac> as well as libc
[06:28] <asac> to get at least line numbers for
[06:28] <asac> #26 0xb6703395 in XtDispatchEventToWidget () from /usr/lib/libXt.so.6
[06:28] <asac> and libc code above
[06:28] <asac> otherwise close
[06:28] <asac> i already added summary to bug 90037
[06:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90037 in firefox "firefox crash in libflashplayer.so [@g_timeout_dispatch]  " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90037
[06:28] <asac> this can stay that way
[06:28] <asac> we already have a master bug for that
[06:28] <asac> will look at some time if they are really duplicates
[06:29] <hjmf> asac: ok I'll retrace it again with those packages but apport didn't complaint about them
[06:29] <asac> yeah
[06:29] <asac> maybe install -dbg packages for them by hand
[06:29] <asac> if that does not help
[06:29] <asac> kill it
[06:30] <hjmf> ok
[06:30] <asac> we should definitly find some adobe tech contact we can forward flashplayer crashes to
[06:30] <asac> otherwise we have to close them
[06:30] <asac> except we have something similar already (e.g. like g_timeout_dispatch)
[06:43] <hjmf> see you
[08:25] <gnomefreak> I cant file a frigging bug. im going to walk away now and come back later as i have been at this for a long time.
[08:38] <gnomefreak> asac: can you package a -dbg package for edgy thunderbird (just for our use) so we can retrace tb crashes on edgy? i tried the -dbgsym package for tb <IP_ADDRESS> and it didnt make a difference on bug 90348, i think we should see if hjmf can come up with a better one using the -dbgsym package. i tried both with the crashreport locally and from bug report same thing happens. i am told "Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this f
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90348 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90348
[08:41] <gnomefreak> s/sot/not
[09:52] <gnomefreak> asac: we dont have a master bug for nsAppStartup::Init crashes? referring to bug 88503. or are we just marking all of the GTK ones dupes of any of the GTK master bugs?
[09:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88503 in firefox "Firefox crash while scrolling a mapquest map" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88503
[09:53] <gnomefreak> or its nsAppShell::Release
[10:19] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you here?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> I think we need to make one of the [@g_timeout_dispatch]  bugs a master bug. If there were others marked that way before bug 89601 than the other one but if not mark 89601 as master IMHO
[10:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89601 in firefox "firefox crash in libflashplayer.so [@g_timeout_dispatch] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89601
[10:27] <hjmf> gnomefreak: agree, would you change that bug's summary
[10:28] <gnomefreak> yep
[10:28] <hjmf> I'm going to log off
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:28] <hjmf> gnomefreak: good night
[10:28] <gnomefreak> hjmf: night
[10:41] <gnomefreak> asac: also what can we do about bug 48714
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48714 in firefox ""Getting started" and "Latest Headlines" not localized." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48714


[18:49] <ananke> I don't suppose anybody recalls how user-data in older cloud-init versions was handled? I'll get to the point: I'm getting odd errors when feeding user-data via packer to a very old AMI (Ubuntu 14.04, running cloud-init 0.7.5). The user-data in question is identical to what we use on newer versions, and so is the packer recipe
[18:50] <ananke> the only difference being the very ancient version of ubuntu and its cloud-init version
[18:51] <ananke> the errors imply that cloud-init is trying to execute the user-data, rather than interpret it as its config. Here's just the first two lines of the cloud-init-output.log:
[18:51] <ananke> Cloud-init v. 0.7.5 running 'modules:final' at Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:12:06 +0000. Up 126.92 seconds.
[18:51] <ananke>  /var/lib/cloud/instance/user-data.txt: 9: /var/lib/cloud/instance/user-data.txt: manage_etc_hosts:: not found
[18:53] <ananke> https://dpaste.org/ZY8qS is just the beginning of that log, and the user-data we feed is: https://dpaste.org/NTr0v
[18:55] <ananke> I feel like this may be a trivial issue, and I'm missing something obvious. Unfortunately, I haven't worked with cloud-init back in 0.7.5 version days, so I don't know what might have changed
[19:02] <blackboxsw> ananke: hrm I'mbaffled too on this. the user-data looks valid
[19:02] <blackboxsw> and generally user-data in 0.7.5 was still written to /var/lib/cloud/instances/dev-t/user-data.txt
[19:05] <blackboxsw> I would've expected to see logs earlier about Cloud-init v. 0.7.5 running 'init-local' and 'init' and 'modules:config' etc instead of just 'modules:final'. From your logs, it makes me think something in that AMI in cloud-init's final stage  is trying to `source /var/lib/cloud/instance/user-data.txt`in shell script and falling over
[19:06] <blackboxsw> ananke: are there custom modules in that AMI declared to run during `cloud_final_modules:` in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg ?
[19:07] <blackboxsw> or maybe custom scripts in /var/lib/cloud/scripts on that AMI that cannot be run and reproduce that same error?
[19:07] <blackboxsw> same set of errors
[19:09] <blackboxsw> note if I "source <your_userdata_file>" on the command line I get those same type of errors  (manage_etc_hosts:: command not found
[19:09] <blackboxsw> : command not found) etc
[19:11] <ananke> I'm going to add some debugging steps with packer to dump the contents of /var/lib/cloud/instance/user-data.txt, perhaps with full logs. This issue happens when I try to build a new image with our pipeline, and the next boot has no user-data, so all I have is leftover logs
[19:49] <ananke> now this is interesting: amazon-ebs.CR_amazon_builder: Nov 11 19:24:49 ip-100-64-21-177 [CLOUDINIT] importer.py[DEBUG]: Failed at attempted import of 'cc_runcmd' due to: No module named cc_runcmd
[19:51] <ananke> this is a fun discovery trip. I'll keep poking at things to see what's going on
[20:27] <ananke> found a few issues, seems the 'apt:' config didn't seem to support proxy settings, there was no cloud-init status, etc.
[20:54] <cjp256> seeing some cases of "duplicate mac".  The Azure datasource patches the distro list, but unfortunately that gets reset: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/stages.py#L338   any thoughts on how best to address?  I was thinking if a network refactor were on the table to avoid that assertion, we could strip out the blacklist_drivers handling across net and keep it contained to the Azure datasource
[21:55] <blackboxsw> coincidentally, network refactor is in progress from meena :) given that it doesn't look like we have any call-sites using blacklist_drivers  besides Azure, that may make sense.
[22:04] <cjp256> nice :D


[00:00] <valorie> telegram is where it's at
[00:00] <Fritigern> Morse is what's missing
[00:00] <valorie> I agree
[00:00] <valorie> I would like to be able to use it within ktp
[00:00] <apol> valorie: you can
[00:01] <apol> it's called morse plugin, in fact
[00:01] <Fritigern> apol: Where can it be found? Because I have not found it any repo
[00:01] <apol> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=telepathy-morse.git
[00:01] <valorie> right, isn't working in *buntu I guess
[00:01] <valorie> or packaged or whatnot
[00:01] <apol> one of those
[00:02] <Fritigern> Yeah, but purple-facebook IS included, which needs morse to function in Instant Messenging.
[00:03] <apol> ?
[00:03] <apol> facebook uses morse?
[00:03] <Fritigern> Yup
[00:04] <Fritigern> But if you try to add it in Instant Messenging, the following message pops up: "This IM Account cannot be created - a Telepathy Connection Manager named 'morse' is missing or it cannot handle protocol 'telegram'. Please try installing morse with your package manager."
[00:06] <valorie> Fritigern: this should be reported on launchpad
[00:06] <valorie> if it isn't already
[00:06] <valorie> which.... I think I did about a year ago
[00:06] <Fritigern> It's been reported at length
[00:07] <valorie> unfortunately we lack packagers right now
[00:08] <clivejo> its never been packaged before?
[00:08] <clivejo> even in Debian?
[00:09] <valorie> that I do not know
[04:09] <RealKinetix> valorie: When you say you lack packagers, just how much 'lacking' do you mean?  (new to the community)
[04:12] <Behi> Hi all, if Chrome freezes your system entirely from time to time, could you please do me a favor and upvote this bug report: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=586926
[04:12] <Behi> I have spent a week or so on this bug report. I have also reported it to freedesktop.org: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94109
[04:59] <metehan> KDE5, folder view or desktop view which holds settings file?
[04:59] <metehan> where is folder view and desktop view config file
[05:01] <ponchale_> mmm
[05:01] <ponchale_> metehan
[05:01] <ponchale_> now I have this problem
[05:01] <ponchale_> ackage libboost1.55-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:15] <ponchale> config
[05:15] <ponchale> git clone --global user.name Alfonso Hernandez
[05:15] <ponchale> git clone --global user.email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:38] <ponchale> fatal: bad config file line 1 in /home/ponchale/.gitconfig
[05:39] <ponchale> line 1
[05:39] <ponchale> git clone --global user.name Alfonso Hernandez
[05:44] <krytarik> ponchale: And this one isn't your terminal either.
[05:50] <ponchale> I not understand
[05:51] <ponchale> krytarik
[05:55] <valorie> RealKinetix: we need more; I'm not a packager, so I can't quantify
[05:55] <valorie> if you want specifics, let's talk in #kubuntu-devel
[05:57] <valorie> ponchale: wrong place to ask about git errors, but it sounds to me like you didn't set up your .gitconfig properly
[07:19] <blendroid> anybody here use the "icon-only" task manager on Plasma 5?
[07:20] <blendroid> wondering how to get rid of the "2+" label that obscures the application icon when more than one instance is running.
[08:19] <thirite> I have a problem that I can't seem to find a solution for online. It seems to be impossible to make the file selector in Firefox show thumbnails in Kubuntu
[08:20] <thirite> Threads about this problem seem to date back to 2007 and apparently there isn't a fix?
[09:36] <BRODUS> just wantd to say that kubuntu is awesome!  I just tried xu-, lu-, and ku- back to back when trying to pick a distro to use in a vm and kubuntu performed so well.
[09:44] <soee_> BRODUS: great to hear it :)
[13:01] <Mylon> I'm still transitioning from Windows.  I figured out how to run a syndaemon command at startup but the touchpad widget palm sense should work without needing the console.
[13:01] <Mylon> I'm not familiar with other forms of Linux (not since like... Redhat 6.)
[13:02] <Mylon> But... Seems to work so far.
[13:11] <Mylon> Also... Is there API for running in no-border mode?  I'm kinda spoiled by Firefox on Windows replacing the title bar with tabs.  And I see Kubuntu has a way to do that but it's not by default.
[13:16] <hateball> Mylon: you can set per app rules if you like
[13:17] <hateball> just rightclick the title bar and go into advanced settings
[13:17] <hateball> and you could also make that setting the default for new windows if you like
[13:19] <Mylon> Alright, I think I set it... Let's restart firefox and test.
[13:20] <Mylon> Ooo, it worked.
[13:20] <hateball> :)
[13:21] <Mylon> Now slightly off topic.. How do I get Firefox's home page to be the new tab screen?
[13:22] <Mylon> Ah, address "about:newtab"
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[13:43] <Cem_Nome5> hello
[13:43] <Cem_Nome5> I have a problem concerning ePSXe, can anyone help me?
[14:09] <yossarianuk> its OUT !
[14:09] <yossarianuk> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=vulkan-10&num=1
[14:09] <yossarianuk> Vulkan is out !
[14:11] <yossarianuk> probably the biggest news in 3d graphics/gamin in the last 20+ years
[14:13] <hateball> and it'll be at least 6 months until you see something released with it I bet :p
[14:22] <yossarianuk> hateball: there is a Nvidia driver now and a beta game in Steam (linux coming soon)
[14:23] <yossarianuk> but yes, it will be ages to properly experience it.
[14:23] <Mylon> So before I formatted and moved to Linux, I had used some setting that keeps the battery only partially charged to preserve battery life.  Is there a way to tell the battery to full charge?
[14:23] <yossarianuk> still great news
[14:23] <hateball> Mylon: what is "some setting", was this something in your other OS?
[14:24] <Mylon> This was a setting in some OEM-provided program.  Considering it persisted through a format/reinstall, I think it's a BIOS level setting.
[14:25] <Mylon> I don't know if there's a way to access those kinds of flags without a specialized program.
[14:27] <hateball> Mylon: is it a lenovo?
[14:29] <Mylon> Samsung
[14:31] <hateball> appears some manufacturers have tools that let you manipulate that stuff
[14:31] <hateball> but there's no general acpi function for it
[14:34] <hateball> for instance on my HP laptop there is nothing about charging thresholds show by: cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info
[14:37] <Mylon> I can live with it I guess.  I almost never unplug this computer because I'm not sure if I touch the charger if it'll ever charge again.
[14:37] <Mylon> The battery is pretty much just a desktop UPS at this point.
[14:38] <hateball> heh
[16:12] <Guest71699> Hello everyone, is Kubuntu good for stable video editing workstation?
[16:12] <Guest71699> Or should I choose CentOS7?
[16:13] <Guest71699> Im new to Linux, coming from windows 10
[16:14] <Guest71699> I have been reading about CentOS, Fedora,Mint,Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Antergos and I cant decide.
[16:15] <genii> Guest71699: If you want stability, probably best to go with Kubuntu 14.04.3 at this time, then later you can migrate directly to the 16.04.1 release
[16:15] <Guest71699> Thank you, I installed it in windows machine, it looked good.
[16:16] <Guest71699> but I was not sure wich was better for serious works.
[16:16] <genii> Guest71699: If you want a more impartial view on which distribution to go with for video editing, I'm sure you could also find many opnions in the ##linux channel ;)
[16:17] <Guest71699> Ok I hav to learn this system, its first time ever ever Im chatting in this channel system
[16:18] <Guest71699> #linux
[16:18] <genii> Guest71699: /join #channelname   will join a channel, /part ( while talking in that channel) will leave the channel, /quit exits IRC entirely
[16:43] <Showerwalker> Is Kubuntu suitable for lightweight laptops ?
[16:44] <Showerwalker> hello? anyone ?
[16:44] <Showerwalker> :(
[16:55] <Mylon> Well...
[16:56] <Mylon> I would have answered him but he left.
[17:00] <Mylon> Hmm, no tools found that support file systems on a disk...
[17:00] <Mylon> I wonder what that's referring to  (just opened partition manager)
[17:04] <Benisawesome192> hi
[17:06] <Mylon> So Linuxswap is 3.5 gb...   Been on one update for over 30 minutes... One more reason why I'm investigating Linux.
[17:35] <usaf> mylon if you  are not a hardcore gamer ditch windows completely! saves you so much time and energy :)
[17:35] <Mylon> I love my games though!  I'm addicted to HOTS and I still occasionally play League.
[17:36] <usaf> well i know.... i love the f1 2015 game and its the only reason why win 7 is on my computer still
[17:36] <Mylon> Win10 doesn't seem bad from an end-user standpoint, but the privacy problems concern me.
[17:38] <usaf> win 10 has some dangerous updates though
[17:47] <BluesKaj> W10 has a constant upload going on sending info on practically everything going on in the OS to do with personal stuff
[18:00] <Mylon> More windows problems....
[18:01] <Mylon> I have a dying hard drive.  I need to send it back for replacement.  I plug it in so I can format it and windows won't let me operate on the volume normally, with a format, but it lets me delete the partition and then create a new one.  Go figure.
[18:02] <Mylon> Given the problem I was having with the HD making the computer hang... Format would probably take days.
[18:09] <Mylon> And... Format failed.  Well, that's why it's a failing HD.
[18:32] <MichaelTun> ksnapshot is being replaced right?
[18:34] <soee> yes by Spectacle
[18:52] <GreenDay> hello
[18:52] <GreenDay> when installing abcde ubuntu install and configured an smtp server...???
[18:54] <soee> ?
[18:54] <GreenDay> yes
[18:54] <GreenDay> suprising
[18:54] <Seminarian> Plasma is the woman of my life!
[18:55] <GreenDay> ??
[18:55] <Seminarian> sorry, random comment, go on..
[18:55] <GreenDay> PLasma is a software
[18:55] <Seminarian> *software
[18:55] <Seminarian> I mean to say Plasma is the software of my life
[18:55] <Seminarian> I'm really happy with it although there are some bugs
[18:55] <Seminarian> Every woman needs time to grow
[18:55] <Seminarian> eh.. *software
[20:28] <Khaotic> anyone else having issues with shortcuts being saved betwee reboots?
[20:49] <Mylon> Anyone running steam?
[20:50] <Mylon> I launched it once and it said it needed to install some extra stuff and after the console window disappeared nothing happened.
[20:50] <Mylon> And trying to launch it with alt-space does nothing.
[20:51] <soee> Mylon: i'm using it
[20:55] <Mylon> Well my dashboard says I need to restart to finish updating so I'll try that.
[21:12] <Khaotic> anyone else having issues with shortcuts being saved betwee reboots
[21:13] <bprompt> not I
[21:15] <Mylon> So I restarted and tried launching steam... Still no sign of it running, though I haven't looked in the process list.
[21:15] <wEs> what kind of issues should i look forward to installing kubuntu ontop of ubuntu?
[21:15] <wEs> so far everything seems fine but everything i have researed advised against it
[21:16] <Mylon> Speaking of which, how do I see all running processes?
[21:16] <OerHeks> I would install side-by-side, to avoid themes and apps mix up.
[21:18] <wEs> mainly it was the /home that would cuase problems i guess the sys setting or prog settings maybe but i orig had partitioned the hd to have a separete /home and then created sym links to the folders but i didnt have time to do everything this time like that
[21:20] <wEs> most of the settings ect should be the same so not too much of a prob but if i was to install arch ontop as well i know thats entirely diff setup would that cause more porblems or just a whole nother problem on its own
[22:23] <Mylon> So using Syndaemon by itself, two-finger scrolling was still working.  When I added it to the startup, now scrolling doesn't work.  :9
[22:23] <Mylon> :(
[22:40] <GreenDay> http://pastebin.com/stSp3cu9
[22:41] <GreenDay> bsd-mailx and postfix must not install themselves with abcde!!!
[22:41] <GreenDay> bug
[22:45] <valorie> GreenDay: have you filed a bug?
[22:46] <valorie> and that pastebin is strange -- that doesn't like like the proper output
[22:46] <valorie> !info abcde
[22:46] <valorie> !info bsd-mailx
[22:46] <valorie> !info postfix
[22:48] <GreenDay> valorie: its history
[22:48] <valorie> that does look like a packaging error though so please file a bug in the commandline using `ubuntu-bug abcde`
[22:48] <GreenDay> ok
[22:48] <GreenDay> tommorrow
[22:48] <GreenDay> hmm
[22:54] <GreenDay> ok i filec a bug
[22:54] <GreenDay> filed
[22:54] <GreenDay> i dislike ubuntuone
[22:54] <GreenDay> but i did it however
[22:55] <GreenDay> good night
[22:58] <valorie> thank you GreenDay
[23:50] <will> Hello
[23:51] <will> Just installed kubuntu, my god this is fun! First time using linux so wish me luck.
[23:58] <valorie_> luck to will, even if you didn't stick around


[00:04] <matryx> hi, can someone help me setup a network share so I can grab files from my WinXP PC
[00:28] <raevol> hey guys
[00:29] <raevol> i need to figure out how to shell into my dad's ubuntu computer
[00:29] <raevol> he broke something and isn't competant enough to fix it
[00:29] <raevol> any ideas
[00:29] <Josesordo> I dont have any idea.. xD
[00:29] <raevol> i need to get an ssh in somehow, he's behind a router
[00:29] <Josesordo> if you cant get help here.. you can go to #ubuntu channel ;)
[00:30] <raevol> yea, thanks
[00:34] <Fudge> alt f2 is run right? when i try to open stuff from it, i get web browser
[00:40] <Josesordo> yes.. xfrun4
[00:52] <Fudge> Josesordo  was that to me
[01:09] <Josesordo> Fudge, yes :O
[01:11] <Fudge> yep theyre installed, ctrl escape brings the menu up. im just trying to make stuff work with orca
[01:13] <Fudge> how can i make stuff autostart, nautilus for example
[01:16] <raevol> got it
[03:24] <raevol> hey guys, i get a "things need to be written to decive" popup error (not a libnotify message) whenever i unmount stuff in xubuntu 11.04
[03:24] <raevol> how can i get that error redirected to libnotify, or whatever it's supposed to be directed to?
[05:22] <mltdwn> Sup guys, just installed Xubuntu, and it's running fast and smooth. Do you guys have any post installation tips?
[05:26] <orngjce223> I dunno, you'll accumulate your own over time
[05:26] <orngjce223> It's really your call
[05:26] <orngjce223> I like installing a stupid amount of extra programs afterwards, but I do audio and no doubt you don't
[05:30] <mltdwn> I get that, but I meant things that will make the system run better or add some cool functionality.
[05:34] <orngjce223> Hmm
[05:36] <orngjce223> Unfortunately most of what I know consists of strange ways to get audio moving from program to program, so I'm not sure I could advise you.
[05:38] <orngjce223> To be completely honest, most of the reason I ever respond is to make sure people don't think the channel is completely dead and leave.
[05:40] <mltdwn> I see, so I take it's often quiet?
[05:45] <Unit193> This is kinda the wrong time of night
[05:45] <Unit193> Sun Aug 14 01:45:46 EDT 2011
[05:46] <mltdwn> It's 10pm in California.
[05:53] <orngjce223> Yes, but most people come here while they are on lunchbreak or right after work on the East Coast
[05:53] <orngjce223> Thus California noon and early afternoon
[05:54] <orngjce223> Not that it's much more active, mind, but somewhat.
[08:06] <Besogon> HI! Could anybody tell me What program is used to view logs?
[08:06] <Besogon> in ubuntu
[08:10] <philipballew> Besogon, cant you just view the text files from nano or vi
[08:12] <Besogon> philipballew, ubuntu has a gui program where you have ability to watch all logs in one place
[08:12] <philipballew> ahh, thats right
[08:13] <philipballew> Log Viewer
[08:15] <Besogon> gnome-system-log
[08:15] <Besogon> package
[08:19] <jrmy> so reinstalled again.. hopefully I won't have to another time. first question how do I remove a repository I added, or does it remove it after teh update command. 2 how do I add oracle sun java? I think I only need the repo 'cause I'm pretty sure the installation would be called sun-java6
[08:19] <Sysi> !java
[08:20] <jrmy> Sysi: do I have to remove the other repo I tried that didn't work?
[08:21] <Sysi> what repo is it?
[08:21] <jrmy> I don't remember
[08:21] <jrmy> but I think it's an outdated one
[08:21] <jrmy> idk could'nt find anything current with googling things so I had to come here
[08:21] <koptein> is there any gui-program to connect to a ssh server and transfer files in Xubuntu (similar to the 'connect to server' option in nautilus)
[08:22] <philipballew> putty?
[08:22] <koptein> i googled a lot but i guess i had the wrong keywords :D
[08:22] <koptein> philipballew: does putty manage to mount the remote filesystem into the local?
[08:22] <Sysi> koptein: if you have 11.04, filemanager can do it
[08:23] <koptein> Sysi: oh
[08:23] <koptein> Sysi: where is that option?
[08:23] <Sysi> there's "network" in side panel
[08:24] <koptein> Sysi: seems that there are just samba shares
[08:24] <Sysi> jrmy: I think there is some GUI for managing repositories but I can't remember what it is/was.. anything under menu → system ?
[08:25] <Sysi> koptein: it should suport ssh too, browsing maybe doesn't work (I haven't used network shares myself) you could try gigolo too
[08:25] <jrmy> I'll check update manager and click settings
[08:27] <jrmy> Sysi: I think I found it.. removed it. now I'll ad the other one
[08:27] <koptein> Sysi: gigolo is exactly what i needed. thank you
[08:27] <Sysi> np
[08:30] <kbmaniac> help, booted xubuntu this morning, no "min", "max", "close" buttons or bar at the top, cant access any of my other 5 virtual desktops, all new windows open top LHS of window, no smart placement ... anyone any idea what to do ?
[08:32] <jrmy> Sysi: it looks like sun java has been removed.. I don't think I can get it this way anymore
[08:32] <jrmy> aka it didn't work
[08:32] <jrmy> no java I guess :[
[08:33] <jrmy> need the real thing too because of the apps I use
[08:34] <jrmy> unless the maverick partnet works
[08:36] <jrmy> nope..
[08:39]  * Besogon <%.?&!@# wanted to tune Apache, and read about Vim, but is sitting and reading damn rsyslog.conf!!!
[09:22] <jrmy_> whatever
[09:27] <philipballew> jrmy, you need to install java
[09:27] <philipballew> i can help
[09:28] <philipballew> i have jave on my ubuntu 11.04
[09:29] <jrmy_> philipballew: ok, and how do you get it?
[09:30] <philipballew> you want sun java i assume?
[09:30] <jrmy_> yes
[09:30] <philipballew> alright. you need the connincal partner repo enabled
[09:30] <jrmy_> archive.canonical.com?
[09:31] <philipballew> im gonna have you edit a text file with sudo and not
[09:31] <philipballew> can you do that from the terminal?
[09:31] <jrmy_> are you asking if i know how to use the terminal?
[09:31] <jrmy_> that would be yes
[09:32] <jrmy_> do I know how to do exactly what you're asking, no
[09:32] <jrmy_> but I expect instruction anyways
[09:32] <Myrtti> !partner
[09:33] <philipballew> alright. sweet. I want you do 2 things: here they are go to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[09:33] <jrmy_> Myrtti: thanks I knew that already
[09:33] <philipballew> keep that open
[09:33] <jrmy_> I'll use paste2.org
[09:33] <philipballew> sure thing
[09:34] <philipballew> now run nano /etc/apt/sources.list and paste everything in the file  there so i can see it
[09:34] <jrmy> thought you said sudo?
[09:34] <philipballew> thats next :)
[09:34] <jrmy> oh lol
[09:34] <philipballew> nano is a file editos
[09:35] <philipballew> *editor
[09:35] <jrmy> i know..
[09:35] <philipballew> Oh, I have no idea what you know dude :)
[09:35] <philipballew> sorry
[09:35] <jrmy> don't take it offensively
[09:35] <jrmy> I know that you don't know
[09:36] <philipballew> no worries. we dont need any sudo root as i was just wanting to see what in the file so i can see if the repo is not # off'ed
[09:37] <philipballew> anything good in the file?
[09:40] <jrmy> philipballew: http://paste2.org/p/1584177
[09:40] <jrmy> well that took alittle while
[09:41] <philipballew> i see!
[09:41] <philipballew> line 56 and 57
[09:41] <philipballew> you see those have a # in front
[09:42] <philipballew> now your gonna wanna uncomment them.
[09:42] <jrmy> yeah.. i see that now that you pointed that out
[09:42] <philipballew> run the previous comand to open nano with sudo
[09:42] <philipballew> then uncomment those
[09:42] <philipballew> then sudo apt-get update
[09:43] <philipballew> jrmy, dont worry, Its all good :)
[09:43] <jrmy> yeah get teh sudo now
[09:43] <jrmy> lol
[09:44] <philipballew> if it was the last comand you entered just type sudo !!
[09:44] <philipballew> sudo bang bang will run the previous comand with sudo in front
[09:45] <jrmy> what?
[09:45] <jrmy> I'm sure i get what to do now though
[09:46] <philipballew> for sure. ill explain sudo !!
[09:46] <philipballew> sudo !! runs the comand you entered right before you entered sudo !! with sudo privlieges
[09:47] <jrmy> you confused me with bang bang and !!
[09:47] <jrmy> I know that sudo lets you do things with root permissions
[09:48] <philipballew> for sure here let me give you an example: type
[09:48] <philipballew> apt-get update
[09:48] <SaaMmY> what is happening
[09:48] <philipballew> ^in terminal
[09:48] <philipballew> SaaMmY, helping him install java on xubuntu
[09:48] <jrmy> philipballew: I understand
[09:48] <SaaMmY> oh fine
[09:48] <SaaMmY> help me too
[09:49] <philipballew> SaaMmY, why? with what?
[09:49] <SaaMmY> I wish get again my java in both browsers
[09:49] <SaaMmY> chromium and firefos
[09:49] <SaaMmY> ff
[09:49] <philipballew> jrmy, did you install java yet?
[09:49] <jrmy> yeah
[09:49] <philipballew> nice!
[09:49] <philipballew> SaaMmY, what are you asking?
[09:50] <jrmy> well I'm in teh process of installation
[09:50] <philipballew> if your trooling its not cool
[09:50] <SaaMmY> to reinstall java plugin in both browsers chromium and ff
[09:50] <jrmy> k, all done
[09:50] <philipballew> why did you uninstall them?
[09:50] <jrmy> philipballew: thanks
[09:51] <philipballew> no problem jrmy ! anything else :)
[09:51] <jrmy> how do I move a file with the console?
[09:51] <SaaMmY> mv
[09:52] <philipballew> to move a file in the cli you'd ude the mv comand
[09:52] <SaaMmY> /home/user/folder/file mv /folder/folder/folder...
[09:52] <philipballew> ex: mv/home/bob/DEsktop/file.text /Media/flashdrive
[09:53] <philipballew> ex: mv /home/bob/DEsktop/file.text /Media/flashdrive
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> I like mv -v file /path
[09:53] <philipballew>        ^ space
[09:53] <philipballew> theres so many options :)
[09:54] <jrmy> well_laid_lawn: verbose can be a good idea
[09:54] <SaaMmY> I need java plugin in ff5 and chromium
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> sure can
[09:54] <jrmy> so yeah I'm not a total noob with linux I'm more liek in the novice-intermediate stage
[09:55] <philipballew> i am to for the most part
[09:55] <philipballew> i just spend to much time on irc asking questions so i know a few things
[09:55] <well_laid_lawn> the man pages are an excellent intro to using a terminal
[09:55] <philipballew> that just happens to be one
[09:58] <SaaMmY> :)
[09:59] <jrmy> If there was a website that had a list of commands with the explanation of what they are and you could search for a command by its basic use I'd find that most valuable for learning more on using linux appropriately
[09:59] <jrmy> and, I think I'd learn at a much faster pace
[10:00] <jrmy> as for instance if i searched for move mv would show up
[10:01] <jrmy> I don't want to be limited to ubuntu If another distro better fits my needs for whatever application I'm looking for
[10:01] <philipballew> try debian sometime maybe
[10:01] <philipballew> try arch
[10:01] <jrmy> say if I wanted to engineer a mobile gaming device and wanted a linux OS
[10:01] <philipballew> android
[10:02] <jrmy> android is linux?
[10:02] <philipballew> heck yeah!
[10:03] <philipballew> its all linux
[10:03] <philipballew> well. it runs off the linux kernal
[10:03] <jrmy> I've thought about building a mobile emulator for console games but definitely not knowledgable about that sort of thing yet
[10:03] <jrmy> interesting fact
[10:04] <jrmy> question is can I obtain android to use for said mobile device?
[10:05] <philipballew> you mean install android on your phone?
[10:05] <jrmy> no the mobile console emulator
[10:05] <philipballew> no idea
[10:05] <jrmy> "said" mobile device
[10:07] <jrmy> other question would be if android would even be compatible with the emulators.. which I'd doubt firstly
[10:08] <knome> ermm.. installing android in a phone is kind of offtopic...
[10:09] <jrmy> not a phone.. but still off topic sorry
[10:10] <jrmy> !themes
[10:14] <jrmy> is there a site that lists terminal commands but makes it easier to search for commands that i don't know?
[10:14] <philipballew> i would think
[10:14] <jrmy> as in so I can look up something I want to do
[10:14] <philipballew> theres also clicompanion
[10:15] <jrmy> what's clicompanion?
[10:16] <philipballew> a app that list what the comands your entering do
[10:17] <philipballew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/clicompanion
[10:17] <jrmy> why not just use man?
[10:18] <jrmy> no I need something that I can learn a specific command but don't know what the command is called
[10:18] <philipballew> youtube tatorials maybe
[10:18] <philipballew> man is good
[10:18]  * jrmy sighs
[10:19] <knome> jrmy, http://fosswire.com/post/2007/08/unixlinux-command-cheat-sheet/
[10:19] <knome> !behelpful | philipballew
[10:19] <philipballew> knome, I learned to use the terminal from youtube
[10:20] <knome> philipballew, yeah, but jrmy specifically wanted a list of different commands.. youtube can definitely do that, but it's quite slow, and you're learning one command at a time
[10:20] <jrmy> knome: I think that'll work
[10:20] <jrmy> thanks
[10:20] <knome> no problem
[10:21] <philipballew> knome, true, didnt think it through. Ive seen pdf's with things like this. ill fond the link for him
[10:22] <philipballew> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/linuxcommands.html
[10:22] <knome> yeah, there are probably dozens of those
[10:23] <philipballew> https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9030259/Linux_Command_Line_Cheat_Sheet
[10:23] <philipballew> and its also a great way to learn
[10:24] <knome> or just google "unix cli cheatsheet" and you'll get loads of useful results
[10:24] <knome> some are more basic, some focus on real-life usecases, etc
[10:24] <philipballew> ^ good idea
[10:26] <jrmy> ah ha.. I found where themes are stored
[10:27] <knome> /usr/share/themes
[10:27] <knome> ;)
[10:27] <knome> but ~/.themes works as well
[10:27] <jrmy> what if ~/.themes doesn't exist?
[10:28] <knome> jrmy, you can just create it
[10:28] <jrmy> how will teh computer know to look for themes there?
[10:28] <knome> it just knows
[10:28] <knome> it will look there even if the dir doesn't exist
[10:28] <knome> it's programmed so
[10:28] <jrmy> k, I'll take your word for it
[10:36] <jrmy> knome: idk if that works as you say seeing as I just tried it and couldn't find teh theme but I moved it to the themes folder in usr
[10:37] <knome> does it work from under the /usr dir then?
[10:37] <jrmy> doesn't seem to work either.. unless I have to reboot for it to work for either
[10:37] <knome> nope.
[10:37] <jrmy> though the theme might not work as well
[10:37] <knome> what's the theme then?
[10:38] <jrmy> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Aerolite?content=54127
[10:39] <knome> jrmy, right, that's an xfwm4 theme. did you look undert settings manager » window manager?
[10:39] <jrmy> it just modifies windows?
[10:40] <knome> yes, just the window borders.
[10:40] <jrmy> that's why....
[10:40] <jrmy> fail
[10:40] <jrmy> so xfwm means xfce window manager
[10:40] <knome> yes
[10:41] <jrmy> lol, well at least i know that now
[10:41] <knome> (how unexpected?(!))
[10:43] <SaaMmY> hey guys Idk why but I have java troubles in browser in ff5 keepvid
[10:43] <SaaMmY> when I start to load tha java app in keepvid ff crashes
[10:49] <jrmy> another question, do I put mouse themes in the same folder?
[10:50] <knome> i don't know, but i'd suppose so
[10:50] <jrmy> well, I'd rather ask just incase I mess something up but then again its a learning prosess
[10:52] <knome> /usr/share/icons
[10:54] <jrmy> lol just figured it out on my own
[10:54] <jrmy> maybe I don't need a support channel
[10:55] <knome> most of the things can be easily found in google
[10:55] <jrmy> agreed
[12:18] <gigenieks> hello guys
[12:18] <gigenieks> Sysi: are you here?
[14:14] <ChristopherNG> Omg! Finally I can get back to working on linux!
[14:18] <gigenieks> ChristopherNG: huh?
[14:18] <ChristopherNG> I was just saying im glad the weekend is over so i can start working on linux again
[14:18] <ChristopherNG> I have alot to do this week, with bash scripts etc
[14:19] <gigenieks> most people are glad when weekend comes not when it is over :D
[14:20] <ChristopherNG> Yeah my life is in reverse at the moment, Im free monday to friday and work part time on weekends
[14:20] <ChristopherNG> Im at university which is out for another 6 weeks
[14:21] <ChristopherNG> Since I passed all my exams and I have no resits i have nothing to do except linux projects
[14:35] <gigenieks> you have finished university?
[15:23] <Guest77900> Have a question about screen resolution in Xubuntu 11.04.
[15:23] <beardygnome> Guest77900: what's your question?
[15:24] <Guest77900> It won't let me set a resolution higher than 1024x768.
[15:24] <Guest77900> I can in Windows XP.
[15:26] <beardygnome> is it that you don't have any options higher than in the Settings menu?
[15:26] <Guest77900> Right. 1024x768 is the only option. Also, it doesn't offer a list of refresh rates. Just 0.0
[15:28] <beardygnome> what monitor are you using?
[15:29] <Guest77900> Dell M781p. Older 17" CRT. Have no problems with it in XP.
[15:33] <beardygnome> i wonder if it's not properly support in the kernel...
[15:33] <beardygnome> this website suggests it might need some drivers: http://www.bioticaindia.com/m781p.html
[15:34] <beardygnome> NOTE: i found that website via a search engine, i'm not commenting on its accuracy
[15:35] <Guest77900> I'll give it a shot. I just figured most, if not all, standard CRT monitors were supported in Linux.
[15:36] <beardygnome> well you do have some support...
[15:36] <TheSheep> it does
[15:36] <TheSheep> it's usually the graphics card
[15:36] <Unit193> I had to get a x.conf
[15:36] <TheSheep> Guest77900: what graphics card do you have?
[15:36] <Guest77900> Integrated Intel. Not very impressive, I know...
[15:37] <TheSheep> Guest77900: that's actually well supported, so it's good
[15:37] <TheSheep> Guest77900: what does the command 'lspci | grep VGA' say in terminal?
[15:37] <Guest77900> One sec.
[15:38] <Guest77900> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[15:40] <Guest77900> I set up Xubuntu alongside XP a few days ago. I haven't booted into XP since. Loving it.
[15:40] <Guest77900> Would just like to find a tweak to increase the resolution.
[15:41] <TheSheep> ok, os the thing is that the monitor is too old to have your system autodetect the refresh frequenciesfor it
[15:41] <TheSheep> so it uses the minimal safe ones
[15:41] <TheSheep> but you can tell it what frequencies are ok for your monitor in the xorg.conf
[15:42] <TheSheep> there is a howto on that here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[15:42] <Guest77900> Very good. Thank you!
[15:43] <TheSheep> you can also try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding_undetected_resolutions
[15:45] <Guest77900> I'll give it a shot.
[15:45] <Guest77900> Much appreciated.
[15:46] <TheSheep> linux generally doesn't have drivers for monitor screens -- but sometimes you need to give it extra info on your monitor
[15:47] <Guest77900> I can do that. Thanks!
[15:52] <industrial> How do I get rid of the email icon in the indicator applet?
[15:53] <beardygnome> industrial: permenantly, or just for the moment?
[15:55] <beardygnome> to remove it permenantly, uninstall the indicator-messages package
[15:55] <industrial> thanks
[17:18] <kevor> Hello, i'm trying to get my USB sound card to work with Xubuntu
[17:19] <kevor> anyone here can help me out?
[17:26] <orngjce223> USB sound cards? Ask #opensourcemusicians - they know more about such things
[17:32] <Sysi> kevor: install pavucontrol and set it as output device
[19:24] <industrial> sudo apt-get install ruby rubygems;sudo gem install heroku; heroku;
[19:24] <industrial> last one gives me command not found
[19:24] <GridCube> whats gem?
[19:24] <GridCube> !info gem
[19:24] <industrial> ruby package manager
[19:25] <GridCube> that doesnt seem correct industrial
[19:25] <industrial> what ubottu spat out doesnt seem connect
[19:25] <industrial> correct
[19:25] <industrial> actually it might, the package gem
[19:26] <industrial> but the gem you see there is a binary from the package rubygems
[19:26] <GridCube> apt-cache confirms ubottu's info
[19:26] <industrial> the problem is that gem's installed binaries arent in the path
[19:27] <industrial> GridCube: do an apt-get install rubygems;which gem;
[19:28] <TheSheep> industrial: try 'dpkg -L rubygems'
[19:28] <TheSheep> industrial: and see where it put it
[19:28] <industrial> Gem is installed fine
[19:29] <industrial> what gem installes, the binaries, are not in the path
[19:29] <industrial> /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/*
[19:29] <GridCube> wouldnt it be > sudo rubygem install heroku ?
[19:29] <industrial> GridCube: rubygems provides a binary called gem. I'm in no way talking about an apt-get package called gem.
[19:29] <GridCube> oh
[19:29] <GridCube> okay sorry
[19:30] <TheSheep> industrial: are you sure they are not simlinked to /usr/bin?
[19:30] <industrial> yes
[19:30] <TheSheep> symlinked
[19:30] <industrial> thats the problem :D
[19:31] <TheSheep> I mean, maybe under a different name than 'gem'
[19:31] <GridCube> i think that gem is working, the thing not working is the stuff he wants to install whit it
[19:31] <TheSheep> I think that's normal for ruby programs to not work ;)
[19:41] <Amacidia> hey everyone, i have 10.04 running on a everex laptop, it doesn't appear that I can change the resolution in xfce, is this possible?
[19:42] <GridCube> you might need to update the video drivers
[19:42] <GridCube> else write xrandr and see what resolutions are available
[19:43] <Amacidia> hey, lots are available
[19:43] <Amacidia> I'm currently set to 1600x1200, would be nice to switch to 1280x800
[19:44] <GridCube> then write xrandr -s 1280x800
[19:45] <GridCube> you can install grandr  to use a gui front end for xrandr
[19:46] <Amacidia> Thanks!
[19:46] <GridCube> :D
[19:47] <GridCube> but then you might need to add something to the boot to have xrandr change your resolution Amacidia
[19:48] <Amacidia> You know I feel like an idiot, I'm going to let update manager run as there are loads of updates. Perhaps that will fix the issue ?
[19:49] <GridCube> dunno
[19:50] <TheSheep> doesn't xfce come with settings->display anymore?
[19:53] <GridCube> it should
[20:04] <Amacidia> Ah Settings ---> Xfce 4 Settings Manager :)
[20:07] <Amacidia> Well, I changed my resolution to 1024x768 but now when i boot up my screens all wacked out :/
[20:26] <Amacidia> Anyone have an idea how I can get into recovery mode? I'm not even seeing the grub menu on boot
[20:26] <Amacidia> Maybe from the cd ?
[20:26] <knome> Amacidia, pressing right-shift should pop up the grub menu
[20:29] <Amacidia> hey knome, what happens is that I see the grub loading message now, but thats it, it just brings me right to xfce, which is messed
[20:29] <Amacidia> is that pressing right-shift with the install cd in the drive, or without?
[20:30] <Sysi> left shift key works too, hold it during boot
[20:30] <Sysi> or before it
[20:31] <Amacidia> Ah left shift works, thanks
[20:31] <ityler15> does anyone know a permanent fix for b43? every time i boot my laptop i have to open terminal and run the modprobe command
[20:31] <Amacidia> Now how can I get my video work lol ?
[20:32] <Amacidia> Failsafe graphic mode looks good..
[20:33] <Amacidia> Failsafe graphic mode would be good, but it keeps looping the same question "How would you like to reconfig your display ? "
[20:39] <GridCube> ityler15, ask in #bcm-users  you will get better help
[20:40] <GridCube> Amacidia, move the xorg.conf file away and save it just to be safe and reboot
[20:46] <Amacidia> Thanks!
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 64 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:04] <ityler15> edbian: IT WORKED!!!!!thank you sooo much man, this is what drove me from ubuntu before but now its fixed!
[21:09] <GridCube> ityler15, i guess that was for other channel
[21:11] <ityler15> gridcube: yeaaahhhhhh i thought we were in this channel
[21:16] <GridCube> ityler15, i would guess it was #bcm-users
[21:24] <art_> test
[21:27] <art_> can anyone tell me how to select files found with a search done by catfish??? I searched my music archive and found 80 tunes that I'd like to move to another folder-but catfish won't let me select more than one tune at a time-how do I select all 80 tunes from the catfish search screen and move them to another folder?
[21:28] <jrmy> ctrl-a didn't work?
[21:29] <art_> I didn't think of that!!! I was expecting to use the mouse to select fikes.....standby, I'll check control a from kb.
[21:29] <Sysi> mv /home/$USER/Musicarchive/*matches* /where/to/move would work too
[21:30] <Sysi> *matches* like *artistname*
[21:31] <Sysi> but filesystem structure needs some getting used to
[21:31] <art_> control A only lets me select one file at a time-and even that file cannot be dragged and dropped.
[21:32] <Sysi> catfish is just search..
[21:32] <charlie-tca> holding control while selecting?
[21:32] <art_> I have my archive in a usb drive, and want to move them into a separate folder on my desktop.
[21:32] <charlie-tca> use thunar
[21:33] <charlie-tca> you can do a "Select by pattern" under edit, just tell it whatever you told catfish
[21:33] <charlie-tca> It will automatically select tham
[21:33] <charlie-tca> s/tham/them
[21:34] <charlie-tca> I use that with stuff like *jpg to select every jpg in a directory
[21:34] <art_> when I hold down the control and the A key, and click on a file to select, nothing happens....
[21:34] <charlie-tca> hold control and click doesn't work either?
[21:35] <Sysi> if ctrl A works, it should select all without any clicking
[21:35] <art_> if I hold down the control key then click on a file, nothing happens, it won't even select the file!
[21:37] <art_> how doesa one activate thunar???
[21:37] <art_> Im new to linux.
[21:37] <art_> control A does nothing.
[21:38] <art_> btw, ty for help charlie.
[21:38] <charlie-tca> It the file manager, just click that right blue folder in the hidden panel at the bottom of the screen
[21:41] <art_> i activated the file manager, but nothing appears other than the screen and a list of the files.
[21:42] <art_> there is no right blue folder on my screen.
[21:44] <art_> this is so frustrating, I can't figure out how to select and move files that have resulted from a search.
[21:46] <art_> If I go to a folder using the file manager, I can select files and move them/copy them......but how do I move/copy files that I found wiuth a search?
[21:47] <art_> I've never used the desktop sharing application before, otherwise I'd show you what happens when I try.
[21:50] <art_> I guess i better give up-im so darned frustrated tho.
[21:52] <ChristopherNG> not sure what the problem is but "giving up" is defeatist talk..
[21:52] <art_> yes, I know.......
[21:52] <art_> sorry.
[21:53] <art_> is it possibly a permissions issue with the folder??? The songs aren't on the hard drive with the os.
[21:53] <charlie-tca> um, why can't you do it in file manager?
[21:54] <ChristopherNG> art_: are you trying to do something to the file but you cant?
[21:54] <charlie-tca> Sometimes, we just have to alternative methods to get the task done
[21:54] <art_> maybe I should make a video with the screen capture software and post it on youtube.
[21:54] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's an idea. Maybe in a day or two, someone will tell you how to get those files moved then.
[21:55] <ChristopherNG> art_: dont know if you have tried this already but make a copy of the folder to give yourself the full rights to the folder if you have not done so already.
[21:55] <art_> Im trying to copy a list of 80 hits to another folder,   i searched for song titles, found 80 that meet my search criteria, and I want to selct them and move them to another file folder,
[21:56] <ChristopherNG> art_: Make a copy of the folder to get all the rights to it.
[21:56] <ChristopherNG> You are probably unable to edit the contents because you do not have the rights to edit the contents etc.
[21:57] <ChristopherNG> By copying the entire folder you get all rights to everything in that folder and then you can just delete the original.
[21:57] <art_> ok, there are 43 gb of music in the folder, so making a copy of the entire folder will take awhile!!!! But, I'll try it later with a smaller folder.
[21:57] <art_> the folder Im searching was one that I originally copied using drag and drop.
[21:58] <ChristopherNG> art_: 40gb is not much, I have done that for almost a terrabtye lol
[21:58] <GridCube> im getting a 404 on ubuntu/pool/universe
[21:58] <charlie-tca> local mirror?
[21:58] <GridCube> yes
[21:58] <charlie-tca> might be updating, which will give the 404 until it gets done,
[21:58] <charlie-tca> could be an hour or two
[21:59] <GridCube> mmkay
[21:59] <art_> I can copy or move any of the files in the folder already.......but the issue seems to be with moving or copying files that result from a search.
[22:01] <ChristopherNG> art_: where is this folder located, on an external hdd? or a different computer altogether? sorry i just came into the channel
[22:02] <art_> for instance, I can open the folder and select songs to copy or move.....but, when I search for songs that meet my search criteria, I can't move or copy just those songs.
[22:02] <art_> np chris, ty in advance.
[22:02] <ChristopherNG> art_: have you tried to search for them and used a pipe to move them?
[22:02] <art_> the files are on my external drive, a 250 gb usb hard drive.
[22:04] <art_> the problem with a pipe is that I can't select the tunes with the mouse, I'd have to type every single filename.
[22:04] <GridCube> i wanted to try if meta tracker would work, but for some reason i cant install it, you could try tho
[22:05] <ChristopherNG> art_: what search parameters are you using? give the command here.
[22:06] <GridCube> Community meeting is going on NOW on #xubuntu-devel
[22:07] <art_> I am using catfish to search, and searching the whole music archive folder for 'beatles'. I get a list of 80 tunes, but I can't drag and drop them from the catfish screen.
[22:08] <ChristopherNG> art_: trying something like find . / -name "taylorswift*" -print
[22:08] <art_> What I want to do is to copy just the result of the search into another folder so I can transfer them to a usb drive later on.
[22:08] <ChristopherNG> sorry .. "find . -name "taylorswift*" -print"
[22:09] <ChristopherNG> when you are in the correct directory with the music you want to copy.
[22:09] <art_> so u mean from the terminal??
[22:09] <ChristopherNG> yes ofc
[22:09] <ChristopherNG> ls /media
[22:10] <ChristopherNG> cd /media/THEHARDDRIVENAME
[22:10] <art_> ovedrload........
[22:10] <art_> overload.....
[22:10] <ChristopherNG> you went to the correct directory with the music and used that find command ?
[22:11] <art_> i open a terminal window, and type in:
[22:11] <ChristopherNG> find . -name "whateveryouwantforsearching*" -print
[22:11] <art_> find . -name "beatles*" -print
[22:12] <ChristopherNG> and you get?
[22:12] <art_> standby.
[22:13] <spanther> Good evening everyone :)
[22:14] <art_> I think I need to tell it to search on the usb drive-
[22:14] <spanther> I've installed the ATI drivers shipped with the repositories and use Xubuntu. Everything works nearly perfect, it's just a little thing which is not perfect. When I play a video in HD quality (1080p) I have "very little" stuttering
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> art_: like I said you have to move to the correct directory and use that command.
[22:16] <ChristopherNG> the "." means find it here
[22:16] <ChristopherNG> spanther: stuttering is in the sound or the video jumps?
[22:17] <spanther> ChristopherNG, the video has very little breaks, not complete stops, but you see a little stuttering
[22:17] <spanther> it just doesn't look "perfectly fluid" :)
[22:17] <ChristopherNG> spanther: have you tried or had the same problem with other films?
[22:17] <spanther> yep
[22:17] <ChristopherNG> VLC?
[22:18] <spanther> yes ^^
[22:18] <ChristopherNG> I sometimes get that aswell and sometimes it jumps for me, Ive always put it down to the file as opposed to the os.
[22:18] <ChristopherNG> or VLC.
[22:19] <spanther> it looks like the video only has 15fps :)
[22:19] <ChristopherNG> Yeah well that would really explain it.
[22:19] <spanther> it happens with all movies (have over 100)
[22:20] <spanther> but the video itself has much more fps ^^
[22:20] <art_> ok, I copied a folder to my desktop and tried the search from the terminal mode-nothing displayed after a brief flurry of hard drive activity.
[22:21] <ChristopherNG> art_: did you copy a folder to your desktop with beatles stuff in it?
[22:21] <ChristopherNG> Because that command will only look for "beatles"
[22:21] <spanther> ChristopherNG, do you know another player with many codecs instead to try out? :)
[22:22] <ChristopherNG> spanther: VLC is what I use personally, Ive never actually used perole that comes with the OS.
[22:22] <ChristopherNG> Alot of other people also use XMBC for a HTPC, Again ive avoided that.
[22:22] <art_> no, I grabbed a small file with 5 or 10 tunes, and copied them to my desktop. Then I searched for 'tommy', which was in one of the file names in the coipied folder.
[22:23] <art_> I changed the terminal command to search for an appropriate term.
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> art_: and you changed to the correct directory aswell where you started the search? If so i really cant help you beyond that.
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> ie /Desktop/THemusicfolder/
[22:24] <art_> yes, am searching the proper directory.
[22:25] <art_> I didn't put the music folder in the music sub directory......just moved it directly to the desktop.
[22:25] <spanther> ChristopherNG, mmh okay so I have to find another way to go around that :/ thank you for your assistance :)
[22:26] <art_>  /Desktop/
[22:26] <art_> this is so frustrating...........
[22:27] <ChristopherNG> let me try it on my machine
[22:27] <art_> it's such a basic function and I can't figure out how to do it.
[22:28] <ChristopherNG> art_: what is your music folder called?
[22:28] <art_> is the desktop sharing utility difficult to use?
[22:28] <art_> it's called 'test'
[22:29] <ChristopherNG> art_: try this command "find /home/ubuntu/Desktop/test -name tommy -print"
[22:30] <ChristopherNG> tommy was the word you chose to search for, just change it to meet the correct spelling.
[22:30] <art_> ubuntu is so nice!!!! my daughter is going to use it instead of windows-it's fast, it works and she loves it after just a few minutes of using it herself!!
[22:32] <ChristopherNG> art_: with this command that I can given you it tells the computer exactly which directory to go and search.
[22:32] <art_> there are 2 tunes in the folder with 'tommy' in them.......if I change to the desktop folder and search it, the software should automatically search subfoilders also? ?
[22:32] <art_> I will cut and paste it into the terminal window.....
[22:32] <ChristopherNG> art_: the find command uses brute force to locate your files, it checks every file in all your directories.
[22:33] <ChristopherNG> if more than one file in a different direcotry has the same name "tommy" find reports them all.
[22:33] <ChristopherNG> but in this case we have specified exactly which directory to search.
[22:34] <ChristopherNG> just open a terminal and try that command lets not make a simple thing harder than it has to be.
[22:34] <art_> art@ubuntu:~$ find /home/ubuntu/Desktop/test -name tommy -print
[22:34] <art_> find: `/home/ubuntu/Desktop/test': No such file or directory
[22:34] <art_> these are the results
[22:35] <art_> ok, I see the problem...I use xubuntu, not ubuntu.
[22:35] <ChristopherNG> the folder is actually spelt "test" just exactly like that?
[22:35] <spanther> ChristopherNG, after disabling "Vsync" i have "little" cuts in the video in heavily moving scenes but it runs completely smooth now ^^
[22:35] <ChristopherNG> spanther: thats good to know for myself aswell, great!
[22:36] <spanther> :)
[22:36] <ChristopherNG> spanther: by the way are you running 64bit or 32?
[22:36] <spanther> ATI has an option to disable these "cutted windows" if movement comes up, it says it will use extra power to enable this. it seems like it sets the desktop to 60hz/fps and so the movie (24fps) stutters
[22:36] <spanther> i am using Xubuntu 32bit 11.04 :)
[22:37] <spanther> with PAE kernel
[22:37] <ChristopherNG> art_: just check the spelling of "test" because unix is case sensitive.
[22:37] <spanther> well now fast movement makes cuts inside the frame(s) but it runs smooth.
[22:37] <ChristopherNG> spanther: thats cool, I have a 64bit machine but i run the 32 bit iso because its more stable and i find things like flash and vlc less laggy
[22:38] <spanther> i still use vlc now :)
[22:38] <ChristopherNG> art_: you still there?
[22:39] <art_> test is all lower case.
[22:39] <spanther> so that means I can't enable this Vsync option for desktop otherwise it isn't able to play media with lower fps than 60 stutter free because it hasn't enough fps in the media :)
[22:39] <spanther> cause it can't calculate half frames
[22:39] <art_> still here
[22:39] <ChristopherNG> art_: close that terminal and open a new one
[22:39] <ChristopherNG> type "ls" hit enter
[22:40] <art_> Desktop     how to save drivers in xubuntu.abw                Pictures
[22:40] <art_> Documents   linux laptop summary, cost vs processor type.abw  Public
[22:40] <art_> Downloads   linux laptop summary, cost vs processor type.txt  Templates
[22:40] <art_> forum post  Music
[22:40] <ChristopherNG> now type "cd ./Desktop"
[22:40] <ChristopherNG> hit enter
[22:40] <ChristopherNG> now type "ls" hit enter
[22:41] <art_> art@ubuntu:~$ cd ./Desktop
[22:41] <art_> art@ubuntu:~/Desktop$
[22:41] <ChristopherNG> type "ls" what do you get
[22:41] <spanther> glad I could help lol xD
[22:42] <art_> art@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ ls
[22:42] <art_> 69_017 - Tommy Jiames & The Shondells - Crystal Blue Persuasion 192 St.mp3
[22:42] <art_> linux laptop summary, cost vs processor type.txt
[22:42] <art_> test
[22:42] <ChristopherNG> now type "cd ./test"
[22:42] <art_> it actually found another instance of 'tommy' on my desktop.
[22:42] <ChristopherNG> art_: ignore it
[22:42] <ChristopherNG> type "cd ./test"
[22:42] <ChristopherNG> and then type "ls" and tell me what you get
[22:43] <art_> art@ubuntu:~/Desktop/test$
[22:43] <ChristopherNG> yes now type "ls" and do you get anything in that folder?
[22:43] <ChristopherNG> or have you been searching an empty directory? :)
[22:44] <art_> art@ubuntu:~/Desktop/test$ ls
[22:44] <art_> 69_017 - Tommy James & The Shondells - Crystal Blue Persuasion 192 St.mp3
[22:44] <art_> 69_017 - Tommy Jiames & The Shondells - Crystal Blue Persuasion 192 St.mp3
[22:44] <art_> 69_018 - Creedence Clearwater Revival - Proud Mary 192 St.mp3
[22:44] <art_> 69_019 - Spinning Wheel - Blood, Sweat & Tears VBR JS.mp3
[22:44] <art_> 69_020 - Johnny Cash - A Boy Named Sue 192 St.mp3
[22:44] <art_> 69_021 - Blood, Sweat & Tears - You've Made Me So Very Happy 192 St.mp3
[22:44] <art_> 69_022 - Cowsills - Hair 192 JS.mp3
[22:44] <ChristopherNG> great!
[22:44] <art_> 69_023 - Supremes & Temptations - I'm Gonna Make You Love Me 192 ST.mp3
[22:44] <art_> 69_024 - Sly & the Family Stone - Hot Fun In The Summertime 192 St.mp3
[22:44] <art_> yes, that works, tnx.
[22:44] <art_> but the original problem still exists
[22:45] <ChristopherNG> now type this "find . -name "T*" -print"
[22:45] <spanther> ChristopherNG, If you enable Desktop Vsync option to remove cuts, it syncs to 60fps because your screen has 60hz, so it disallows half frames. movies have less frames per second so they stutter because it hasn't enough to show 60 full frames per second :) that was the issue ^^
[22:45] <art_> if I use catfish to search for 'tommy' on myt desktop, it will display 2 files....but how to move those files??
[22:46] <ChristopherNG> art_: ok, where do you want to move those files?
[22:46] <art_> I would be happy enough to copy them anywhere-but nothing works.
[22:46] <ChristopherNG> spanther: Thanks
[22:47] <ChristopherNG> you know how to use the "cp" command?
[22:47] <art_> from tghe catfish screen, the hits from my search cannot be selected, so drag and drop doesn't work.
[22:47] <spanther> ChristopherNG, if you set Vsync on, and then set your screen to 24fps (cinema mode) too just like your screen and your video has 24p, it will run fluid too but that is a big hassle to switch fps everytime :P
[22:47] <art_> no, I don't know 'cp'
[22:47] <ChristopherNG> cp = copy
[22:48] <art_> I assume it's 'copy'??
[22:48] <art_> ok
[22:48] <ChristopherNG> yes
[22:48] <spanther> cp /your/source/file /your/desired/place/   thats how to use x)
[22:48] <ChristopherNG> exactly
[22:49] <ChristopherNG> let me give you an example from my machine
[22:50] <ChristopherNG> cp archies.mp3 ~/Desktop/
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> basically i went to the directory that had "archies"
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> and then copied it to my desktop
[22:52] <art_> ok, b ut will that command search for 'archies', and only copy those files??/?
[22:52] <ChristopherNG> you can make a "pipe" like i was saying before
[22:52] <ChristopherNG> but have you used the command line before?
[22:53] <art_> havent used the command line since the early days of dos.........
[22:53] <art_> circa 1990
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> well if your not strong on the command line last thing you want to be doing is using cp and rm with wildcards and pipes.
[22:53] <art_> I'm rusty at best, but understand the concept.
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> I would go read on the command line a little
[22:54] <art_> ok, I can do it-but sure would rather stil luse something with a qui
[22:54] <art_> tnx so much for your help
[22:54] <spanther> the command line is a very strong tool :)
[22:55] <ChristopherNG> your welcome, and just remember...
[22:55] <art_> I gotta get off the computer so my daughter can continue her linux introduction.
[22:55] <ChristopherNG> if you ever get a file and that you dont have full rights over, you just make a copy to get full rights and delete the original.
[22:55] <art_> understand.
[22:55] <art_> ty
[22:55] <art_> gl to all
[22:59] <ChristopherNG> Ok folks im probably going to get told to take this to offtopic but I did abit of research for famous linux users and apparently Ben Affleck and Jeff Goldblum are avid linux users.
[23:01] <spanther> lol *g*
[23:02] <ChristopherNG> but then again someone on that site also said Paris Hilton made contributions to x0rg
[23:02] <ChristopherNG> obvious troll!
[23:06] <spanther> ChristopherNG, you're using ATI too?
[23:07] <ChristopherNG> Nvidia on this machine, Ati on my other.
[23:07] <spanther> ok :)
[23:08] <spanther> ati here, intel on netbook and nvidia on mothers notebook xD
[23:08] <spanther> all linux now :P
[23:08] <ChristopherNG> great, im going for a cigarette brb
[23:08] <CrazyGir> howdy! I am having a pain trying to get xubuntu to properly restart networking
[23:09] <spanther> why restart? did you disable it before? :)
[23:09] <CrazyGir> when I issue service networking stop && service networking start (there's no restart) I get: networking stop/waiting
[23:10] <CrazyGir> using ifdown/up I was able to get my IP refreshed on my nic, but I'm unable to get resolv.conf cleared and reissued
[23:10] <spanther> wlan or lan? atheros or realtek?
[23:10] <CrazyGir> so DNS is all wonky
[23:10] <spanther> mh :/
[23:10] <CrazyGir> spanther: restart becasuse I'm connected to a new network
[23:11] <CrazyGir> new/different. I go between networks and having no connection a lot (live in the middle of the mountains)
[23:11] <spanther> oh ok
[23:11] <CrazyGir> spanther: it's a lan, connected to modem/router atm
[23:12] <CrazyGir> and restart because dns isn't working and resolv.conf looks like it needs a refresh :)
[23:13] <madnick> CrazyGir: use google dns
[23:13] <madnick> :)
[23:13] <CrazyGir> ><
[23:13] <CrazyGir> that's a windows answer
[23:13] <madnick> My router dies all the time
[23:13] <madnick> well the dns server stops working, so i have to use an alternate dns
[23:13] <CrazyGir> I don't need my router doing DNS
[23:14] <CrazyGir> err..
[23:14] <CrazyGir> I don't have my router doing DNS
[23:14] <madnick> I see
[23:14] <spanther> yeah... router slow down sometimes after some uptime because of their dns server is under heavy load or the hardware isn't fast enough :/
[23:14] <spanther> ok
[23:14] <CrazyGir> I guess insight into why the networking service refuses to start would be heplful?
[23:14] <charlie-tca> but something has to or your websites won't resolve. Using google DNS servers is often faster than using the local ISP DNS servers.
[23:15] <spanther> CrazyGir, if your networking would work, you could use teamviewer and show me the issue :) i then could compare with mine
[23:15] <spanther> but you can't since it's down lol
[23:15] <madnick> your websites won't resolve.  x)
[23:22] <CrazyGir> but yea, I haven't really collected any great insights into why xubuntu refuses to reset it's freeking resolv.conf
[23:22] <madnick> In all fairness, the easy way of doing this
[23:22] <spanther> but this doesn't make linux windows'ish
[23:22] <madnick> Would be to use nm-applet
[23:23] <madnick> and "disable networking" then reenable it
[23:23] <CrazyGir> let me see..
[23:23] <madnick> The nm-applet will generate resolv.conf
[23:23] <CrazyGir> how would you start that applet?
[23:24] <madnick> CrazyGir: its on top right
[23:24] <madnick> if you are running GUI
[23:24] <spanther> CrazyGir, i bet you just install it over synaptic software center and then add it as panel app :)
[23:24] <madnick> the two arrows in 11.04 :)
[23:24] <CrazyGir> hah
[23:24] <spanther> madnick, CrazyGir is using Xubuntu so Xfce :)
[23:24] <spanther> no two arrows there hehe
[23:25] <CrazyGir> HAH, so the applet doesn't even pick up my NIC/eth0
[23:25] <CrazyGir> ><
[23:25] <CrazyGir> FAIL.
[23:25] <spanther> huh? what?
[23:26] <CrazyGir> yea, exactly
[23:26] <spanther> you mean the applet doesn't show eth0?
[23:26] <spanther> i enabled "auto-ethernet" here :)
[23:27] <CrazyGir> nope, I mean if I click the "show me some details" it says, "sorry, no active/valid connection found" and if I click edit connections, I see nothing.. all this despite having eth0 active (with an ip) and correct entries in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:28] <spanther> i only have "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" inside the "interfaces" file :)
[23:29] <spanther> no eth0 entry O.o
[23:29] <spanther> maybe you try mine? xD
[23:29] <CrazyGir> I miss OpenBSD.
[23:29] <spanther> backup your interfaces and try mine :)
[23:29] <CrazyGir> hah, and there it works..
[23:30] <spanther> what works?
[23:30] <CrazyGir> (no, didn't try yours)
[23:30] <spanther> oh k lol
[23:30] <CrazyGir> yea, linux is getting a lot like windows
[23:31] <spanther> well I just installed Xubuntu 11.04 freshly now today and haven't edited any file so far. this was the only two entries i had in interfaces but it's working just fine
[23:31] <madnick> IIRC Linux is getting less like Windows, Windows even removed POSIX support ;)
[23:31] <CrazyGir> hah
[23:31] <spanther> madnick, i bet ballmer just doesn't want opensource invades windows and so he removes more and more compatibility stuff :P
[23:32] <spanther> joke
[23:32] <CrazyGir> hah
[23:33] <spanther> linux gets more automatism but this doesn't transfer it into windows :)
[23:35] <Josesordo> it isnt windows.. =P
[23:36] <spanther> thanks for saying this x)
[23:45] <spanther> anyone here has knowledge about WebcamStudio ?
[23:46] <spanther> I would like to stream to justin.tv or ustream.tv so i need this :)


[05:09] <stub> How to I change https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/+snap/juju-wait from Ubuntu Core 16 to core18? I think the builds are failing because my snapcraft.yaml is now core18
[07:28]  * RikMills thinks diddledan needs to fix his IRC!
[07:36]  * amurray agrees with RikMills
[09:08]  * blahdeblah thinks RikMills needs to filter join/part/quit. :-)
[11:31] <RikMills> cjwatson: looks like many NOT x86 builders are shown as not finishing things? buildd-manager or similar again?
[11:32] <RikMills> e.g. lubuntu ci builds that should take little time not finished 5 hrs later
[11:45] <SpecialK|Canon> RikMills: If you could direct issues/queries at the help contact per the topic please :)
[11:45] <SpecialK|Canon> ilasc: ^
[11:46] <ilasc> looking
[12:24] <ilasc> RikMills: should be better now
[12:25] <RikMills> ilasc: ty :)
[12:29] <ilasc> :) no prob
[14:20] <oSoMoN> I'm trying to understand what's going on in bug #1883546, and I wonder whether there's a way to enable snapcraft debug logs in snap builds on LP ?
[14:28] <ogra> are the arm builders still stuck somewhere ... i have a snap build in "Building Soon" state since roughly 3h now
[15:15] <ogra> GRRR !!!! sigh ... i wish the "snapcraft.i👋<snapname>/build" page would actually notify if the login expired ... seems the above was a stale website (that i simply hadn't refreshed manually)
[18:28] <kyrofa> Is there a way to make the archive for the mailing list for my team in LP NOT public?
[18:55] <rbasak> Looks like public is the only option when creating a mailing list for a regular team.
[18:56] <rbasak> We (internal to Canonical) had need for a private list and we got that through lists.canonical.com instead. I don't know if there was any other option in Launchpad.
[19:00] <kyrofa> rbasak, very good, thank you. I assumed as much!


[08:23] <dkessel> hey guys. i read your thread about having meetings again. sounds good! :)
[08:23] <dkessel> at xubuntu, we have a team calender to keep track of meeting dates/times, so people are automatically reminded when the meeting is.
[10:28] <lubu> hello everybody!
[10:28] <lubu> Need some help please! anyone?
[16:36] <phillw> dkessel: Walter has not quite got that far yet :D
[21:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: do we have a lubuntu package set on LP?
[21:54] <phillw> tsimonq2: both lubuntu packages are available via lubuntu-core or lubuntu-desktop
[21:55] <tsimonq2> phillw: how do I find out what those are from the metapackages?
[21:56] <phillw> tsimonq2: look at the minimal installation wiki page, it lists them. They are used for iso building, so the xenial ones are already created but we do not announce them on that page, as they are test versions and not stable.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> phillw: k thx
[21:59] <phillw> you can also find them listed as part of tasksel as an option to install onto a base ubuntu system. I've not re-written the minimal install page as the way explained there works fine.
[21:59] <tsimonq2> phillw: so this is all the packages(along with base) that are in a default Lubutnu install? http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/lubuntu-desktop
[22:00] <tsimonq2> s/Lubutnu/Lubuntu
[22:00] <phillw> yes, for desktop
[22:00] <phillw> we also ship a core meta-package
[22:01] <Unit193> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/lubuntu
[22:01] <Unit193> Packageset.
[22:01] <tsimonq2> ooh thanks
[22:02] <phillw> tsimonq2: do not poke the bot too often, he has a short fuse :D
[22:03] <tsimonq2> :D