[11:39] <NymeriaFr> mcphail, Hi
[11:40] <NymeriaFr> So, I want create a simple application that read barcode
[11:40] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: ok
[11:40] <NymeriaFr> There is the source code : https://github.com/Nymerea/uBarcodeReader/tree/feature/autoCapture
[11:40] <NymeriaFr> I have to problem
[11:40] <NymeriaFr> 1) It doesn't compile on Aquaris E4.5
[11:41] <NymeriaFr> On desktop, I can lunch it but on smartphone I have this error : ReferenceError : qDecoder is not defined
[11:41] <NymeriaFr> In my main.cpp I have : view.rootContext()->setContextProperty("qDecoder", &decoder);
[11:41] <NymeriaFr> so it should work
[11:42] <NymeriaFr> I don't understand
[11:42] <mcphail> ok, give me 10 minutes to fire up the SDK and have a look
[11:42] <NymeriaFr> thank you
[11:44] <NymeriaFr> don't forget to use feature/autoCapture branch
[11:59] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: ok, I get it to compile but get a permission error on deployment. This usually means you have fallen foul of app confinement
[12:04] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: actually, I think that "permission denied" thing might be a fault at my end...
[12:05] <NymeriaFr> mcphail,
[12:05] <NymeriaFr> What kind of permission
[12:05] <NymeriaFr> I don't use internet, I just use camera
[12:06] <NymeriaFr> but everything is in apparmor
[12:08] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: I think it is a problem with the deploy step in the SDK as my other projects are failing with that today as well. I can build the click and deploy it manually to my bq phone
[12:10] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: it may be worthwhile checking you have the correct kit installed and targetted
[12:10] <NymeriaFr> no no
[12:10] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: I can send you a link to the .click I compiled if you want to test on your phone
[12:10] <NymeriaFr> I can run it into my smartphone
[12:11] <NymeriaFr> but when I click on the camera output, it's supposed to try to decode a barcode
[12:11] <NymeriaFr> when I click on it I have referenceError
[12:11] <NymeriaFr> with qDecoder
[12:11] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: in the logs?
[12:12] <NymeriaFr> yes
[12:12] <NymeriaFr> I see it with logViewer tools
[12:12] <mcphail> ok - get what you're saying now
[12:12] <NymeriaFr> And in desktop mode, I haven't this error
[12:13] <NymeriaFr> And other problem
[12:13] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: let me explore further
[12:13] <NymeriaFr> camera is not "in front of"
[12:14] <NymeriaFr> It look like have a 90° position difference
[12:14] <NymeriaFr> Arf, i'm not english native
[12:14] <NymeriaFr> i'm not sure you can understand me
[12:15] <NymeriaFr> mcphail, If you find the problem, can you post an message here :https://plus.google.com/+MorganDURAND/posts/4esP5rQFDxS
[12:15] <NymeriaFr> or on github project ?
[12:15] <NymeriaFr> I have to go
[12:15] <NymeriaFr> Thank you for your interest
[12:17] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: I'll let you know if I find anything
[12:17] <NymeriaFr> mcphail, have you understand the camera thing ?
[12:18] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: yes - rotated 90 degress
[12:18] <NymeriaFr> is it normal ?
[12:18] <NymeriaFr> Is it happen to you ?
[12:19] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: I haven't coded anything using the camera yet. I suspect you'll need to respond to orientation events
[12:19] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: that would be a question to ask on Monday when the experts are around
[12:19] <NymeriaFr> Okay
[12:20] <NymeriaFr> thank a million
[12:20] <mcphail> NymeriaFr: thanks
[12:49] <sam__> Hi appdevs, can someone please explain how to install libconnectivity-qt1 in a vivid click target in the ubuntu SDK?
[12:53] <popey> sam__: in an armhf kit?
[12:54] <mcphail> sam__: what happens when you try "apt-get install libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf" ?
[12:54] <sam__> yes. I installed it but it' still not found
[12:54] <popey> surely the -dev you don't need armhf?
[12:54] <popey> only for the libconnectivity-qt1:armhf package
[12:54] <mcphail> popey: yep, you do
[12:54] <popey> huh, okay
[12:54] <popey> ignore me ;)
[12:54] <mcphail> popey: without it, it will try to install the libconnectivity-qt1:amd64 package
[12:56] <sam__> I'm trying to compile cutespotify. But Qtcreator always says: connectivity-qt1 development package not found
[12:57] <mcphail> sam__: output of "apt-cache policy libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf"?
[12:57] <sam__> I did: Settings -> Ubuntu -> Maintain Click Target- > "apt-get install libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf"
[12:57] <sam__> And it was installed without problems
[12:58] <sam__> Installed: 0.0.1+15.04.20141215-0ubuntu1
[12:58] <sam__>   Candidate: 0.0.1+15.04.20141215-0ubuntu1
[12:58] <sam__>   Version table:
[12:58] <sam__>  *** 0.0.1+15.04.20141215-0ubuntu1 0
[12:58] <sam__>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ vivid/universe armhf Packages
[12:58] <sam__>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[13:01] <mcphail> sam__: perhaps pkg-config isn't finding it. Can you set the environment variable PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkgconfig/ for the build and see if that helps?
[13:02] <sam__> Right. Sorry I forgot to mention that pkg-config can't find it
[13:03] <sam__> How can I set the environment variable for the build?
[13:04] <mcphail> sam__: click on the "projects" tab at the side, select your build target and expand the BUILD ENVIRONMENT bit at the bottom
[13:15] <sam__> Hmmm. Does still not work.
[13:16] <sam__> Variable: PKG_CONFIG_PATH and Value: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkgconfig right?
[13:17] <svij> taska
[13:21] <svij> ooups
[13:22] <sam__> Any other ideas?
[13:38] <mcphail> sam__: sorry, not sure what else I can suggest
[13:41] <sam__> Hmmm. Ok thank you for your help mcphail. Maybe I make a very small failure somewhere
[13:46] <mcphail> sam__: I suppose the only other thing to check is that you are absolutely sure the kit you are compiling from is the same kit you've added the headers to. But I'm sure you've checked that already
[13:51] <sam__> Sadly i did. But thank you anyway
[14:42] <popey> sam__: maybe ping a mail to the ubuntu-phone mailing list?
[21:26] <Des__> Hi all have a serious question about a specific android ZTE p7431 ..... has no internal sdcard and lost all off it´s bin files, doesn´t boots up as it should be but is still recognized as an android devic how to get this back operational?
[21:28] <Des__> Since it is a chinese brand, iv´e been trying as many things over adb in windows but no results, couldn´t push the files to device or whatsoever
[21:38] <mcphail> Des__: I think you are in the wrong channel. This is for application development for ubuntu, not restoring android phones
[21:41] <ScriptKrewe> Howdy


[01:21] <jerky_2> so i'm having some performance problems on my myth box. i'm running mythbuntu 8.10 now but the problem was there on 8.04 too. my box will be running fine (frontend, backend, even mythcommflag sometimes) and then all of a sudden it starts stuttering pretty badly for a few seconds. it doesn't seem to happen at any specific interval...
[01:21] <jerky_2> but when i take a look at the 'top' output, it always corresponds with 'mysqld' jumping up the CPU usage column. when it drops off the top CPU users the performance problems are gone. any ideas for what could be wrong or how to troubleshoot this?
[01:22] <jerky_2> mysqld runs as the mysql user whereas mythfrontend runs as my user and mythbackend (+other stuff) runs as the mythtv user
[01:23] <jerky_2> it seems like the mysqld process just starves the CPU because otherwise the machine performs fine
[01:23] <jerky_2> just wondering if anyone else has tweaked their MySQL configuration at all... i tried running optimize_mythdb.pl but that didn't seem to help
[03:07] <MythbuntuGuest59> !help
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[03:09] <MythbuntuGuest59> i have installed mythbuntu 8.10 with a HVR-1600, i'm able to scan de channel, but when i try to watch tv i got a blank screen, and the system seem to freez, i need to push ESC many times, to be able to exit the frontend.
[03:48] <MythbuntuGuest31> how do i add my user to the myth tv group so i can access all the files?
[03:49] <MythbuntuGuest31> within mythbuntu
[03:49] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest31: sudo adduser <username> <group>
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest31> tritium thank u , do u know how to search what groups are available?
[03:54] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest31: they are listed in /etc/group
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest31> tritium> do u also know why it takes almost 20 minutes to boot up while it says loading desktop ? b4 it used to boot up in about 4-5 mins
[04:23] <scotepi> hello, i just installed, there was a option for TV out that i didn't set. id like to set it now without reinstalling
[04:23] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest31: I've never seen it take 20 minutes to boot.
[04:23] <scotepi> i cant find the option in anything in the application menu
[04:31] <scotepi> anyone?
[04:48] <jerky_2> scotepi, check in mythtv-setup 's options, or in mythfrontend's setup options... there should be output options in there somewhere
[04:51] <rhpot1991> scotepi: it would help if you described your hardware a little
[04:56] <scotepi> my video card is a radio 9200, im trying to use the svideo out
[04:57] <scotepi> there was a option on inital install, one of the 15 mythbuntu screen
[04:57] <scotepi> but right now im trying to figure out why firewire isnt working
[04:58] <scotepi> or i guess ssh too since it was enabled, but its unconectable
[05:01] <scotepi> nm on ssh
[05:03] <rhpot1991> !firewire | scotepi
[05:03] <Zinn> scotepi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[05:03] <rhpot1991> WARNING: firewire can be a pain :(
[05:03] <scotepi> it worked fine on my MBP
[05:03] <scotepi> so i know my box works
[05:03] <scotepi> im watching for it to display active on my cable box
[05:05] <scotepi> lol at all the "to be continued... "
[05:13] <scotepi> myth prime give "0 stbs primed, 0 non-stbs ignored and 0 ghost nodes skipped on 0 ports."
[05:16] <rhpot1991> scotepi: what version of mythprime?
[05:21] <scotepi> 0.55b
[05:21] <scotepi> i dont see my firewire card in lspci
[05:22] <scotepi> where is
[05:22] <rhpot1991> scotepi: well thats something you need to work out first, after that you can get the latest firewire programs from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/majoridiot
[05:22] <scotepi> what /usr/src is the main kernel? and where does it go after compile
[05:24] <scotepi> oh nice, i cant even makemenuconfig
[05:28] <renjith> Hi all is there a channel named myth-use?
[05:28] <renjith> what is the exat channel name?
[05:30] <rhpot1991> renjith: you mean #mythtv-users ?
[05:30] <renjith> yes thanks
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest06> can anyone tell me how to add my username to the mythbuntu myth group so i can view all the media files while logged in as myself?
[06:32] <MythbuntuGuest99> can anyone help me check my wireless settings? everything was working fine. and now i dont see a icon in the task manager for wireless and i can't seem to connect my mythbuntu laptop to y router to get online
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest99> is there any network manager where i can put in my wireless settings?
[06:39] <MythbuntuGuest99> can anyone tell me how to run network manager please? i'm a total noob
[06:41] <superm1> its running by default normally
[06:41] <superm1> it should be in your task bar
[06:41] <superm1> as an icon with two computers on it, or one computer and an x
[06:41] <MythbuntuGuest99> its not in the task bar i've tried to add it but its not on the list
[06:42] <superm1> is it installed?
[06:42] <Daviey> superm1: hmm... not on this fresh install of mythbuntu intrepid...
[06:42] <superm1> look in synaptic for network-manager-gnome
[06:42] <superm1> Daviey, wha?
[06:42] <Daviey> (diskless), /me tries main one
[06:42] <MythbuntuGuest99> network manager gnome installed in snaptic
[06:42] <superm1> diskless is far different in terms of this stuff
[06:43] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest99, then check if nm-applet is running
[06:43] <superm1> that's the network applet.  if so, check for the NetworkManager service
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest99> suprm1 > i'm not sure how to check that
[06:43] <Daviey> superm1: aye, it is there on a fresh intrepid main - but not diskless
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest99> i just installed mythbuntu yesterday, and it seems like i was able to check the icons and make changes and everything
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest99> rebooted today and everythign was gone
[06:44] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest99, well if you've got nothing invested on this yet, the easiest solution is a reinstall :)
[06:44] <superm1> however if you want to poke around, what did you change?
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest99> on a side note - am i able to view the media (music, videos) thru one of the file managers ? or can i only view them under the myth front end?
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest99> i've not changed anything, had to relocate the laptop so i just did a restart and the 2 computers icon top right , was gone
[06:47] <superm1> sure you can browse files in the file manager if you want
[06:47] <superm1> well surely something changed, does it come back possibly after another reboot?
[06:47] <superm1> jsut a one off problem
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest99> one reboot didn't fix it, but i just rebooted once more for the hell of it, and it worked
[06:48] <superm1> there ya go :)
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest99> the music i add via my other computers on to the share on mythbuntu, i can browse those files from other computers on the network. but i can't seem to browse them whiel on the mythbuntu laptop
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest99> when i try to access the mythtv directory nothing comes up
[06:50] <superm1> its /var/lib/mythtv/music by default i think
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest99> ok thanks
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest99> i'll try it out
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest99> appreciate ur time
[06:54] <superm1> no prob, good luck
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, ping
[07:09] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: o/
[07:10] <MythbuntuGuest69> hi all
[15:13] <spoky99_> hi all
[15:14] <spoky99> someone know how to set mythwelcome for make it work whit nvram-wakeup?
[15:15] <spoky99> someone know how to set mythwelcome for make it work whit nvram-wakeup?
[15:16] <spoky99> in the 8.10 mythwelcome came whit new config line, and I don't found nothing about it :(
[15:26] <superm1> spoky99, if you dont see too much luck in here, you might consider posting at the forums instead
[15:26] <superm1> !forums | spoky99
[15:26] <Zinn> spoky99: The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[15:29] <spoky99> thank
[15:34] <IXian-Pr> Hi, I got a quick question about mythbuntu. Is there any build of mythbuntu that's capable of living on a ~1GB flash disk?
[15:34] <superm1> for a frontend or backend?
[15:34] <IXian-Pr> for example, backend only?
[15:35] <superm1> it will be a tight fit
[15:35] <superm1> if you can splurge a little, 2gb will be better
[15:35] <IXian-Pr> of course, storage of video has to be networked or on a separate disc. ^_^
[15:35] <superm1> right
[15:35] <spoky99> i€x€
[15:35] <IXian-Pr> Well, I'm just curious since I got a spare 1GB flash and a EPIA MII lying around ;)
[15:36] <IXian-Pr> (And a bootable IDE2flash connector)
[15:36] <superm1> i think the default backend only install will still be bigger than 1gb, but you can probably remove a few things from it to free up soem more space
[15:36] <superm1> i'd say experiment a little in a VM
[15:36] <IXian-Pr> ok, well. thanks :)
[15:36] <spoky99> IXian-Pr: the problem with flash disk is that they are projected for a limited write an rewrite..
[15:37] <IXian-Pr> this is the adivce I wanted. :)
[15:37] <spoky99> IXian-Pr: You risk to damage the flash disk ad lost your data
[15:38] <IXian-Pr> spoky99: mhm, thanks. :)
[15:38] <IXian-Pr> Got to go, c'ya on the great intertubes :)
[15:39] <spoky99> IXian-Pr: you could make it using the flash disk only for reading and not.. for writing
[15:39] <spoky99> opss.. he is going out :)
[15:39] <jphillip> I'd just splurge for a 4gb flash drive, they are cheap enough now
[15:40] <jphillip> mysql might be an issue there
[15:40] <spoky99> I heard of some taiwan flash rom 4gb for 13€ :D
[15:41] <jphillip> I got mine for $20 something I think
[15:42] <jphillip> they are pretty cheap anymore
[15:44] <spoky99> jphillip: yes I talked about take it directly from taiwan :D
[16:03] <spoky99> someone know how to set mythwelcome for make it work whit nvram-wakeup?
[16:24] <jphillip> !forums | spoky99
[16:24] <Zinn> spoky99: The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[16:26] <spoky99> Zinn: I post one tread about my question 4 day ago and... nobody reply me :D
[16:28] <jphillip> Zinn is a bot, he wont respond :)
[16:28] <spoky99> jphillip: :D
[16:29] <spoky99> Umm someone know how to stop the automatic shutdown imposted into mythtv-setup?
[16:29] <spoky99> I put 15 sec of idle timeout
[16:30] <spoky99> and.. uncecked "block shutdown ..."
[16:30] <spoky99> and now I don't have the time to start the frontend :D
[16:30] <spoky99> and the computer goes in shutdown :D
[16:31] <spoky99> I'ts in loop mode :D
[19:11] <toorima> planing on doing the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10, anything bugs I should now about? read something about problems with nvidia drivers?
[19:16] <superm1> if you have an older nvidia card yes there is no driver
[19:16] <superm1> if you have one that supports the 173 or 177 driver you are okayt
[19:18] <toorima> GeForce 7300 GS
[19:18] <toorima> is that old or?
[19:18] <jphillip> superm1 is there a list of that somewhere that we can teach Zinn?
[19:19] <superm1> that's new enough i believe
[19:19] <jphillip> ya that should be fine
[19:19] <toorima> cool thx
[19:19] <superm1> there is kinda a list on nvidia's webpage
[19:19] <jphillip> I have a 6800 that works fine with it
[19:19] <superm1> but there is a lot of overlap
[19:19] <superm1> and it's confused as heck
[19:19] <jphillip> what do people with old cards do in intrepid then, compile the driver themselves?
[19:20] <toorima> gonna backup up both root and /var/lib with partimage incase i run into trouble
[19:23] <superm1> jphillip, cry
[19:26] <jphillip> superm1 back in the day I used to compile ati driver from source and farm them out to some friends, was such a headache....
[19:26] <superm1> from source?
[19:26] <superm1> amd doesn't post source....
[19:27] <jphillip> errrm, you know what I mean
[19:28] <jphillip> built debian packages of them
[19:28] <superm1> oh, yeah that.
[19:28] <jphillip> was back on debian sid for amd64 too
[19:28] <superm1> well these days the driver should be able to do --buildpkg Ubuntu sanely
[19:29] <jphillip> was fun when xorg would break for a week after an upgrade
[19:54] <frippera> I'm having trouble getting the EPG info attached to the right channel.....any ideas what I missed? I tried reseting the channel info with "mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates" but no luck
[20:00] <frippera> !help
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[21:59] <MythbuntuGuest83> Hi all
[21:59] <MythbuntuGuest83> HDHomeRun, Network manager not starting fast enough.  I've tried the fixes from the forum to no avail.
[22:00] <MythbuntuGuest83> Can anyone point me to how to make DHCP not take over even if I change to manual network settings?
[22:03] <jphillip> !status
[22:04] <Zinn> I am alive.
[22:43] <fuxxy> I just installed ubuntu version 8.10, and it seems the only version of mythtv included in the package manager is 0.21. My existing backend is running version 0.20, how can I install a the 0.20 frontend on this new box?
[22:54] <superm1> it's more difficult to do so then you'd think...
[22:55] <superm1> you are better off upgrading your backend (imo)
[22:58] <fuxxy_> superm1, well, I can't upgrade backend to 0.21, it's still masked in gentoo.
[22:58] <fuxxy_> all I need is frontend 0.20, and the one dep.
[22:58] <superm1> still? it's been out for almost a year....
[22:58] <fuxxy_> superm1, yeah, I don't understand either.
[22:59] <superm1> fuxxy_, let me ping the gentoo maintainer momentarily about that
[23:00] <fuxxy_> superm1, okay, thanks.
[23:02] <superm1> fuxxy_, well he's not responding right this moment.  hang around here for a couple of hours, whenever he responds i'll let you know.  that certainly doesn't seem right that it's still masked
[23:04] <superm1> fuxxy_, <Cardoe> superm1: No.
 superm1: It's not marked stable due to a file collision issue
 which was committed yesterday
 so the arch teams are in the process of marking it stable
[23:04] <superm1> * jgarvey has quit ("Leaving")
 however, the Gentoo documentation recommends you use unstable for MythTV anyway
[23:04] <superm1> fuxxy_, if you are having trouble, the maintainer told me to send you to #gentoo-mythtv
[23:06] <tgm4883_laptop> gentoo-mythtv
[23:06] <tgm4883_laptop> mythtoo?
[23:07] <superm1> yes tgm4883_laptop
[23:07] <superm1> mythtoo
[23:27] <fuxxy_> superm1, hmm. time to bite the bullet I guess.
[23:27] <fuxxy_> make the wifey mad :)


 I get my own laptop!!!
 Nice
 (Location, lon: -105.080326, lat: 39.723258)
 You can see it?
 @ahoneybun, Pics? :)
 Oh yeah
 Told you
 Lol
 This is pretty awesome: Mailbox Usage Warning: you are currently using 6092% of your total capacity.
 Thanks Spectrum
 That's an internet company I meant need to use now
 Somehow they changed the storage allotted to mailboxes from 5 G down to 10 M
 Cray
 Any opinions on FIOS?
 Are you able to get FIOS where yo u live?
 I can't
 It's pretty good when I've used it in the past
 @Abrerr are you back in Florida?
 Got back to Palm bay Wednesday and been going house crazy since
 I'm back to work today
 New rental can do fios via ATT
 Symmetrical fiber circuit sounds attractive
 50/50 for $50 for two years
 But, gotta look at all the charges if any
 Wow, for some reason my account reverted back to default space, they helped me increase it and now I have 609,223 of 34,960,000 KB
 @itnet7, Did you lose email history?
 It seems to be okay now


[07:15] <Myrtti> well look at that
[07:15] <Myrtti> he's actually asking the question he had yesterday
[12:00] <jdorfler> hi
[12:00] <jdorfler> !ops
[12:01] <k1l> stein? what do you want?
[12:01] <jdorfler> anybody?
[12:01] <jdorfler> hey k1l
[12:01] <jdorfler> man
[12:01] <jdorfler> unban me
[12:01] <jdorfler> I need some help dude
[12:01] <jdorfler> I need some help from #ubuntu
[12:01] <jdorfler> now I can't get help cause you banned me, man
[12:01] <Myrtti> didn't ikonia go through this behaviour with you earlier?
[12:01] <k1l> nope. you have proven quite alot now that you will not stick to the guidelines. you even ban evaded alot of times.
[12:02] <jdorfler> I will stick with the guidelines, man.
[12:02] <stein> now I am stein.
[12:02] <k1l> just because you need help now doesnt mean you can join and troll the other times again
[12:02] <Myrtti> do not hilight ops with the ops trigger when you enter then channel
[12:02] <stein> I will never troll, k1l
[12:02] <stein> I promise, man
[12:02] <stein> ban me if I do
[12:02] <stein> or zline me
[12:02] <k1l> sorry, i dont believe that with your behaviour you showed the last weeks.
[12:02] <stein> I am sorry.
[12:02] <stein> I really am.
[12:02] <stein> I will not do this kind of childish behavior.
[12:02] <stein> never again.
[12:03] <Lanser> I am originally Lanser.
[12:03] <k1l> i know your nicks. the bantracker is full of your entries
[12:03] <Lanser> aw man.
[12:03] <Lanser> please dude.
[12:03] <Lanser> unban me :(
[12:03] <Lanser> I need some help on ubuntu.
[12:04] <Lanser> I shall now act professional and be extremely serious, sir k1l.
[12:04] <Lanser> I just need help.
[12:04] <Lanser> real quick.
[12:04] <k1l> that is not part of the deal: troll as much as you can and get unbanned when you need help
[12:04] <Lanser> no k1l
[12:04] <Lanser> I will not do that again
[12:04] <k1l> you spoiled the irc community.
[12:04] <Tm_T> Lanser: the answer is "No", please leave the channel if you don't have anything else you need from us
[12:04] <Lanser> I will not troll, and I will only go to #ubuntu when I need help.
[12:05] <Lanser> k1l: how can I get unbanned?
[12:05] <Lanser> is there anything I can do prove that I will not troll again?
[12:06] <Tm_T> Lanser: how about reading what has been written for you? that would be a good start (:
[12:06] <Lanser> Tm_T: alright, mate.
[12:06] <Tm_T> Lanser: I'd say if we can see you not causing any issue for a couple weeks, there's could be a possibility to consider letting you to the channel
[12:06] <Lanser> Tm_T: I see.
[12:07] <Lanser> Tm_T: well, i'll stick with the guidelines from now on.
[12:08] <Tm_T> Lanser: see you in couple weeks then
[12:09] <Lanser> does anybody got a time machine that runs on sudo?
[12:09] <Lanser> haha :p
[12:09] <Lanser> and alright, tm_t.
[12:09] <Lanser> I'll be back after a couple of weeks.
[12:09] <Tm_T> Lanser: bye
[15:31] <ikonia> just like to point out that less than 30 seconds after leaving this channel lanser did this in #kali-linux
[15:31] <ikonia> 13:10 < Lanser> how the fuckin' fuckity fuck do I fix this?
[15:31] <ikonia> 13:10 < Lanser> !ops
[15:31] <ikonia> 13:10 < Lanser> oh that didn't work
[15:31] <ikonia> 13:10 < Lanser> !penis
[15:31] <ikonia> 13:10 < Lanser> and that didn't work out either
[15:33] <Tm_T> yup
[15:42] <k1l_> that clearly shows how much he doesnt want to troll anymore :/
[17:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> that was rediculous
[17:55] <ikonia> no - it really wasn't
[17:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> What rule did I supposedly break this time?
[17:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> I don't know why you have a grudge with me. But whatever.
[17:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> Go fuckyourself (there, I broke a rule for real)
[17:55] <ikonia> really, you think a.) using "shat" is acceptable language and b.) calling people gestapo is acceptable
[17:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> You really are a dick
[17:55] <ikonia> I don't have any grudge with you
[17:56] <Pici><EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems just a smidgen too wide.
[17:58] <ikonia> it's not going to be there longer than another 6min:35 seconds
[17:58] <ikonia> got a clock running on my desktop
[17:58] <Pici> okay :)
[17:58] <bazhang> he's a huge issue network wide
[17:58] <bazhang> also goes by the nick N0yd
[18:01] <genii> bazhang:   Ah, that name I've seen before
[18:02] <bazhang> genii, yep. feels entitled to "Free Speech!!!11"
[18:03]  * genii opts for free beer instead.
[18:04] <DJones> Free speech is fine, it doesn't mean people have to listen to it though
[18:07] <IdleOne> What is the point in having free speech if i can't force you to listen :/
[18:07] <IdleOne> I have rights!
[18:14] <ikonia> not sure what's going on in ##linux any more
[18:14] <ikonia> discussion about weed and drugs ?
[18:14] <ikonia> it's only just had a fresh set of rules which looked really good drawn up
[18:15] <ikonia> oops, wrong channel
[20:06] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu more nonsense from <wilee-nilee> daftykins, The per session boot works dummy wilee-nilee> moron
[20:06] <Pici> :(
[20:07] <bazhang> he has a penchant for very loud "YER ON MY IGNORE LIST NOW" as well
[20:07] <Pici> I hate when people announce that.
[20:07] <bazhang> really against the coc and super annoying esp in a support channel
[20:10] <Pici> bazhang: did you talk to him?
[20:12] <bazhang> Pici, not today, but have done so in the past; he's not malicious, just very high-spirited
[20:12] <bazhang> used to be fyodorovna iirc
[21:27] <jrib> is linking to apt.ubuntu.com/... not allowed for some reason?
[21:28] <jrib> e.g. http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/cinnamon
[21:37] <LjL> jrib: if those are not a good idea, then it wasn't a good idea for Ubuntu to add them - but since they're there, i don't see why one wouldn't use them
[21:37] <LjL> i.e. if there is a problem then problem lies upstream
[21:37] <bazhang> wilee nilee making it up?
[21:37] <jrib> that's my view and I don't see them as problematic anyway
[21:37] <jrib> bazhang: that's what I thought, but wanted to double-check
[21:38] <bazhang> what a surprise!
[21:38] <jrib> LjL: I do raise my eye a little when someone gives out a wget command that downloads and executes a shell script (from dropbox)
[21:39] <LjL> well sure
[21:40] <LjL> to me actually, having normal HTML pages *redirect on timer* to an apt:// link (and the latter then working) seems like a recipe for trouble - but it's also pretty clear Ubuntu explicitly decided to include that "feature"
[21:41] <LjL> while on the other hand, wget and bash weren't necessarily intended to download&run malware as a "feature"
[21:41] <jrib> yeah, what was wrong with just having the apt:// links?
[21:42] <LjL> besides, wilee-nilee might not have this entirely clear perhaps...? he talks about not giving "direct downloads" and using the repositories instead - but this *is* the repositories
[21:42] <LjL> jrib: no idea
[21:43] <jrib> yeah, I missed the context but I assume wilee-nilee was helping and someone else also tried to help, so he disagreed, and then wouldn't back down
[21:43] <jrib> moving on...
[22:04] <bazhang> so he called him "moron" or announced the IGGY BOX


[08:10] <ricotz> hello :), currently the builders are silently failing a lot
[08:13] <guruprasad> ricotz, this is a known issue and we are already looking into it.
[08:17] <ricotz> guruprasad, ack, thank you
[12:01] <kisak> Hello, I'm waiting on a half dozen llvm arm builds which had a hard time yesterday and dying without a log. I see from the topic it's a known issue. My question is if I should keep requeuing or wait for news of some kind.
[12:03] <kisak> I'm going to lean towards waiting since llvm builds are fairly heavy.
[12:09] <cjwatson> Requeueing should be OK.  We made a config change this morning that may have helped
[12:11] <cjwatson> Too early to say for sure, but we've had none of that kind of failure for a couple of hours now as far as I can see
[12:16] <kisak> oh nice, I'll get in the back of the line then.
[12:24] <cjwatson> ... and as I say that there was another one.  but not the big clusters we'd been seeing.
[12:53] <ricotz> hello, please bump these two libreoffice arm builds - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:7.2.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo20.04.1/+build/23760243 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:7.2.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo20.04.1/+build/23760244
[12:53] <ricotz> thank you!
[13:02] <rbasak> Is it possible to rename a project on LP? I'd like to rename usd-importer to git-ubuntu while I'm making some other disruptive changes.
[13:08] <ilasc> rbasak: it is possible yes as long as the name you wish to rename it to is not taken in LP already by another project, can you please file a question so that we have a record of the change ?
[13:09] <rbasak> ilasc: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/701890 - thanks!
[13:15] <ilasc> rbasak: That's been done for you now
[13:15] <rbasak> Thank you!
[13:15] <ilasc> you're welcome :-)
[13:15] <ilasc> ricotz: they;ve been bumped for you
[13:36] <ricotz> ilasc, thank you


 Any UBPorts PinePhone peeps?
 @wednesdayendless [Any UBPorts PinePhone peeps?], https://t.me/utonpine
 @Oliv4945 [Is there a `tab` key in the integrated keyboard? Would be handy in the terminal …], tips for the terminal … Tap on screen for Tab … Swipe up/down for bash history … 2 finger swipe up/down for scrollingg 😉
 @Fuseteam [yes], okay, it works fine on the pinephone … so possibly an issue on Nexus 5
 anyone else with a Nexus 5 and a BT keyboard? … `Alt + Tab` is acting up on devel...it seems 😅
 @Oliv4945 [Is there a `tab` key in the integrated keyboard? Would be handy in the terminal …], tap the screen in the terminal app
 tap to tab swipe for arrow keys two finger swipe for mouse wheel
 hey I got him first 😝
 I was before either of you
 If we're playing that game :P
 mine is more complete 😆
 lol maybe :p
 @Javacookies [mine is more complete 😆], mine was more concise
 takes cover
 mine has an extra `g` in scrolling
 can't beat that, i concede :p
 Literal first. So chill.
 tap to tab >>> use shortcut layout :p
 actually I just use the OSK for history 😄
[04:56] <ubptgbot> Jinoh Kang was added by: Jinoh Kang
[05:18] <ubptgbot> benbengbeg was added by: benbengbeg
[08:01] <ubptgbot> ajyotirmay was added by: ajyotirmay
 Hi, on the supported devices list it has Redmi Note 7, and Redmi 7. Are those phones different, or just an error in presenting the data, since one's got about 95% support, and the other's at 0%
 @TotalSonic [nice - is this the Lenovo Tab M10 FHD "Plus" (2nd gen from 2020) or the 2019 mod …], TB-X606F/TB-X606X. Marketing names seem weird
 Redmi Note 7 is supported by installer, Redmi 7 isn't. The data for Redmi Note 7 isn't updated
 @NotKit [Redmi Note 7 is supported by installer, Redmi 7 isn't. The data for Redmi Note 7 …], So I should get a Redmi Note 7, that's a safe bet, correct?
 yes
 I'm going to use it as a secondary device at this point
 Thanks!!!
 Much appreciate!
[09:21] <ubptgbot> kjivar was added by: kjivar
 we need to copy the ad blocking of Angelfish 😄
 so the latest version  of Firefox 84 in the Libertine repos crashes - but I was able to get Firefox-esr 78 to work in Libertine. It is laggy - but functional.  I got the deb from here - https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/20988477
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/tjDNBtIL.png
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/wdXEGz3Y.png
 (Photo, 2340x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/08tu0wYp.png
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/Y0HY1EAF.png
 @UniversalSuperBox [Does the Bq M10 have a notification LED?], Yes I can test if working on latest later
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], Is this natively on ubuntu touch or is it libertine?
 @just_carlod [Is this natively on ubuntu touch or is it libertine?], Libertine. No native Firefox exists yet.
 @rogieroudshoorn [the standard supports it. if a device implementation supports it of course, is a …], Thx
 I remember a long time ago someone made a thread on the forums full of extra terminal shortcut thingys as they're dead easy to make your own, I had an Emacs one 😆
 8 min to deliver a N5 from the visible parts of android with UBports installer: so great ! 👍
[17:19] <ubptgbot> klaartje_b was added by: klaartje_b
 I am running on a nexus 5 - and the default media player doesn't recognize the format of the default camera/video app... Is this usual? What's the best fix?
 @Javacookies [actually I just use the OSK for history 😄], smart 😂
 @PiecerEdd [I remember a long time ago someone made a thread on the forums full of extra ter …], i have a vim one :^3 but really it almost every ctrl shortcut you can imagine......
 @Paul [I am running on a nexus 5 - and the default media player doesn't recognize the f …], it is a known issue, the maintainers have been working on a fix for a while, it is not trivial to fix
 @Paul [I am running on a nexus 5 - and the default media player doesn't recognize the f …], https://open-store.io/app/utmedia.nfsprodriver
 Or https://open-store.io/app/uvideo.pavelprosto
 @Fuseteam [it is a known issue, the maintainers have been working on a fix for a while, it …], Cheers I'll try one of the suggestions libremax has kindly made.
 @libremax [Or https://open-store.io/app/uvideo.pavelprosto], Cheers!
 While I am here :) running uNav, it always sticks at 'waiting for GPS'... It does have permission in the GPS settings.
 @Paul [While I am here :) running uNav, it always sticks at 'waiting for GPS'... It doe …], you've waited long enough? GPS only takes a long while to get a fix
 why is it that GPS takes so long? it's not something that usually bothers me at all just curious more than anything 😆 I've got a dedicated GPS device that usually gets a lock within seconds, and my Android phone usually finds one within a minute too but UT seems to take forever
 Because it's only GPS not AGPS
 UT doesn't have assisted GPS through wifi/bluetooth MAC addresses like android does
 ahhh
 fair enough
 translation we need someone to tackle the challenge of AGPS :3
 i need a winning lottery ticket
 ive never really needed GPS on my phone, I find the battery drain is just too annoying 😆
 its fine for a quick look but like... if I'm doing a long bike ride where I actually need my route mapped out or whatever... my phone would absolutely not last long enough on battery
 @PiecerEdd [its fine for a quick look but like... if I'm doing a long bike ride where I actu …], eh? unless doing other heavy things, it should work fine. main issue on UT is no background services, and some other issues with app needing to be active and in foreground keeping screen on
 yeah, keeping the screen on is a big one (this isn't just a UT problem...)
 but on android, i use very little battery when tracking a bike ride using opentracks (with speed/cadence sensors), fitness band with gadgetbridge, and using bluetooth earbuds for music
 but that's of course with screen off and in my pocket
 I don't use sensors usually, I've hot an HR monitor but can't be arsed with it mostly, but I do use the earbuds/gadgetbridge! I used to do the, phone on handlebars with a map up onscreen thing though
 I did try keeping the screen on and relying on it coming up with notifications and stuff but even that kills battery especially if you keep having to turn the screen on fully to check your map
 [Edit] I did try keeping the screen off and relying on it coming up with notifications and stuff but even that kills battery especially if you keep having to turn the screen on fully to check your map
 We are live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpVH3CIwcA
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-15 is here with improvements to our newest and most powerful de …], Rip still no mido
 there are some issues with systemd in 16.04 that will probably be resolved and better for us in 20.04 anyway
 5.10 is already officially released, given it's in debian testing
 5.10-rc6 is what's in the newkernel channel, the question is shouldn't it be the released 5.10 now
 @PiecerEdd [I did try keeping the screen off and relying on it coming up with notifications …], Yet another reason why I'm eager for my Volla.
 Alas, if not for this powercut I might have actually been able to view the Q&A live today.
 woot woot.  dtmf
 Watching the live q and a on my OnePlus 5t while installing Ubuntu via andronix on my OnePlus 7 Pro and typing this on my OnePlus 8T. My wife seems upset.
 Oh the 5t has UT installed on it.
 @drym4rch0n [Watching the live q and a on my OnePlus 5t while installing Ubuntu via andronix …], Maybe you're using one of hers?
 Question: is the ability to login with Firefox and use its password manager and bookmarks sync going to be implemented? It was mentioned here and seems like a great idea.
 @klaartje_b [Maybe you're using one of hers?], I wish she was that cool. She likes samsung and stock everything.
 nice...!  so push notifications back on FC? woot x2
[19:18] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Whats the situation with anbox on arm64 devices?
 we don't have arm64 anbox images yet
 @drym4rch0n [I wish she was that cool. She likes samsung and stock everything.], We can't have it all. My partner does not want to use UT either. But at least he has Sailfish OS.
 someone has a low battery
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-15 is here with improvements to our newest and most powerful de …], I don't understand why you don't start developing some native apps that work well to bring users and the interest of programmers, after all the os is quite stable and performing perform
 @Man267 [I don't understand why you don't start developing some native apps that work wel …], Because there are just 24 hours in a day?
 @fredldotme it seems to be fixed it on op3t too
 Thanks Marius.  I've got your back
 @klaartje_b [Because there are just 24 hours in a day?], 😂😂😂 to OK 😂😂😂 I was simply saying that since the os is quite stable I would concentrate the resources of those who are working on it on native apps then bho I'm not a programmer so I don't know how much work involves creating an app from zero ... but for example rather than con
[19:26] <ubptgbot> tinuing to improve the browser I would do those two messaging apps ... I would test it more often if for example telegram worked slightly better
 @mariogrip [We are live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpVH3CIwcA], oke
 The new page is really great. Huge improvement.
 I myself would like one day if Ubports could stop always preparing for the next LTS and all the concurrent requirements it has, and reinventing the wheel e.g. with the browser and the OS UX (even when such things are required e.g. due to security concerns) and instead focus on numerous bugfixes and bringing back features which were
[19:30] <ubptgbot> lost from early versions of the OS/browser/etc.
 But a) to some extent their milestones actually will accommodate what I would prefer the focus to be on and b) as always it just comes down to resources which is totally understandable.
 A matter of time, money and hands on board.
 I wish Canonical would invest in Ubuntu Touch more.
 if features were removed, they were probably done so for a reason, and not likely something core devs will work on bringing back
 Mobile devices have shown themselves to be the future of compute, and UT presents a real honest challenger to Android.
 @praeluceo [I wish Canonical would invest in Ubuntu Touch more.], But canonical doesn't invest anything anymore as far as I know they are just good volunteers who work there
 @Man267 [But canonical doesn't invest anything anymore as far as I know they are just goo …], Yeah, I heard that too. Maybe secure some corporate sponsorships or hardware sponsors like with the branded PinePhone?
 @Javacookies explained that lack of individual tab history is (...albeit, inexplicably) due to some inherent limitation of Qtwebengine (so, not done for a comprehendable reason, but hopefully the engine can one day be patched) and everyone has said Libertine should regain it's broad functionality as shown under Vivid with the move t
[19:36] <ubptgbot> o Wayland and Focal (so, something core devs will indeed work on bringing back).
 [Edit] @Javacookies explained that Morph Browser's lack of individual tab history is (...albeit, inexplicably) due to some inherent limitation of Qtwebengine (so, not done for a comprehendable reason, but hopefully the engine can one day be patched) and everyone has said Libertine should regain it's broad functionality as shown unde
[19:37] <ubptgbot> r Vivid with the move to Wayland and Focal (so, something core devs will indeed work on bringing back).
 I wish Canonical were a more successful business.
 @praeluceo [I wish Canonical were a more successful business.], Canonical abandoned the project years ago and volunteers took it over.
 If you want UBPorts to be succesful, you could help in some way by giving your time, or make a donation. I made a small one today. I can't code and I do want to help.
 @TartanSpartan [I myself would like one day if Ubports could stop always preparing for the next …], you do realize keeping it up to date and working will attract developers to build applications for UT right?
 I do of course.
 what is needed is just more devs that could work on other features
 I just think a balance should be struck between long term and short term goals; that balance is already in place obviously because most OTA's are about bug fixes and gradual improvements rather than big leaps. But users' opinions on the nature of that balance will vary, as with everything else in the human experience.
 One would hope after the jump to 20.04 is achieved, the long term goals ("RIGHT time to start thinking about the next LTS guys!") could be put on the backburner and a pivot made to as much prioritisation on the short term as possible.
 Long term for me, I hope to improve my programming skills and help out where I can. Not least to aid my chances of permanent immigration.
 you realize this is literally the only time that we have been "working on moving to the next LTS" right?
 What about from Vivid to Xenial?
 vivid was not an LTS, and was already end of life long before UBports took over UT
 No, but moving to Xenial was "working on moving to the next LTS" (albeit not the most recent LTS, granted).
 it was more "work on moving to a still supported version of Ubuntu" and having that be an LTS made sense. it also made sense being the closest LTS to the current version of UT at the time, and which Canonical had already done a bunch of work on supporting
 that was also quite a long time ago. it's not like we finished the migration to 16.04 and then immediately started working on migrating to 20.04
 and we are skipping 18.04
 Of course.
 No disagreement there.
 and LTS is 5 years of support, so we shouldn't have to think about moving to a new LTS until 2024
 slide... push it.. :-0
 thanks for a good informative and fun one :)
 the point is that what you're asking for is how we literally already do things
 So just a function of time then.
 time and we aren't apple/google so don't own the whole stack, and are also at mercy of what upstreams (like ubuntu, debian, qt, etc…) want to spend their time on, as well
 we can want things all we want, but if we don't have resources to develop them, and upstreams (ie, qtwebengine devs) don't have time or interest to do the things either, we're not going to get them
 Time being a subset of resources.
 meet.jit.si/ubports-fun-afterparty
 if anyone wants to party :D
 @TartanSpartan [One would hope after the jump to 20.04 is achieved, the long term goals ("RIGHT …], no 16.04 reaches end of life this year 20.04 reaches end of life in 2025 the move is needed to get keep things working as application developers are moving away from whatever 16.04 ships: for example we cannot compile firefox for ut curren
[20:01] <ubptgbot> tly because we end up in a depedency loop, we cannot ask ubuntu to fix it because they'll reply "16.04 is end of life"
 I absolutely understand that, except for how you prefaced your message with "no".
 The two goals are not incompatible.
 the current work will guarentee things keep working for at least the coming 5 years
 @TartanSpartan [The two goals are not incompatible.], my "no" is that i'm saying they are no plans to work on update to 22.04 which is the next lts
 Ah, I see.
 the plan is to move to 20.04 because 16.04 is dead
 nothing more nothing less
 though, after 20.04 it might be much easier to also build for 22.04
 I figured so.
 it is a smaller jump i suppose :p
 which also means migrating wouldn't take as long as it does to go from 16.04 to 20.04
 [Edit] it is a much smaller jump i suppose :p
 yeah it's 4 year gap
 however, there's no plan to migrate to 22.04
 Indeed.
 but if we could easily, it might make sense to do that next year
 it never goes that smoothly tho
 either way, we have ~18 months to decide if we should
 I think it will depend if there'll be any benefits of 22.04
 and +24  more for 24.04
 A case where time is on our side.
 finally
 @dohbee [either way, we have ~18 months to decide if we should], or less if want to track LTS
 well 22.04 will have newer things in the base. and it will be maintained longer. i think if we can more closely follow ubuntu TLS releases, it would also be good for marketing
 @TartanSpartan [A case where time is on our side.], yeah time ain't on our side for 16.04
 @Fuseteam [or less if want to track LTS], well, that number is specifically based on the idea of switching at the time of the `.1` release of the LTS
 @dohbee [well, that number is specifically based on the idea of switching at the time of …], ah didn't think of that
 Good old point releases.
 yeah also re:libertine iirc it should be better after the update to wayland, xmir isn't exactly maintained anymore
 libertine needs a lot of work indeed, but it wasn't a finished product before UBports took over stuff, either
 My M10 would certainly rather be on the cutting edge rather than back in time in circa 2015. But, it is a patient one too.
 @drym4rch0n [Question: is the ability to login with Firefox and use its password manager and …], Firefox-esr 78 in Libertine is working although slow. There are currently zero plans for implementing anything else for it that I am aware of unless someone is willing to step up to the task.
 @TotalSonic [Firefox-esr 78 in Libertine is working although slow. There are currently zero p …], I didnt have any luck with it when I tried, but that was on the GSI on the xiaomi note 7. I'll see what happens on the OnePlus 5t port.
 @drym4rch0n [I didnt have any luck with it when I tried, but that was on the GSI on the xiaom …], Libertine is finicky, but the esr 78 version is good on Volla, which is similarly arm64 and Halium 9 based. But I don't think GSI builds will work well for Libertine.
 Hi. I try to access ubuntu touch recover on Meizu MX4 and I get this
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0c4bZaok.jpeg
 Is it normal?
 [Edit] Hi. I try to access ubuntu touch recovery on Meizu MX4 and I get this
 Yes, you can't do much in recovery on the MX4. May I ask what you're trying to accomplish?
 I would like to go back to FlymeOS
 Any ideas?
 @NikosChat [I would like to go back to FlymeOS], Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme recovery mode.
[21:28] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Hi to al, i am new on this, but i watch the progress of ut and wait the time when ut release on redmi note 7, so now I can help community with testing. I'm QA, and want to help. So the question is where I can found some release notes, bugfixes on current RC version, may be test cases if someone write this for ut. Thaks for your a
[21:28] <ubptgbot> nswers.
 @Stefano0101 [Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme rec …], Do you know how to access fastboot so I can flash recovery image
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> What phone you use
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Use adb
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> And fastboot commands
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> If use twp all is simple just flash zip vita flyme
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> If no enter in fast boot mode on phone and flash twrp or orange fox image
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Use fastboot devices command to ensure that PC see phone
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
[21:35] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Where recovery.img is your twrp or orange fox recovery. If have some questions you're wellcome to answer
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi to al, i am new on this, but i watch the progress of ut and wait the time whe …], For what is going on, next OTA-16, have a look here: https://github.com/orgs/ubports/projects/25
 @Stefano0101 [Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme rec …], No, you have to flash OEM image with so flash tool
 @Stefano0101 [Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme rec …], [Edit] No, you have to flash OEM image with sp flash tool
[21:52] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @libremax [For what is going on, next OTA-16, have a look here: https://github.com/orgs/ubp …], Thanks.


[00:05] <hydrozii_> oh nvrmind ive decided to go with a different music player
[01:14] <hydrozii> just beat my dads computer in a startup race with my AMD sempron vs. his Intel I-5
[01:14] <hydrozii> lubuntu is so fast XD
[01:30] <phillw> lol
[01:34] <hydrozii> did you guys know that windows 7 takes up like 1.4 GB of RAM when idle
[01:34] <hydrozii> its crazy
[01:39] <hydrozii> what are the improvements of 10.10 over 10.04? is 10.10 pretty stable now?
[01:47] <len> Why can't I remove penguin games without removing "lubuntu desktop" along with it?  Why does the package "lubuntu desktop" depend on the "ace of penguins" package?!
[01:49] <hydrozii> yah i was wondering that too.. all of the default packages say they depend on lubuntu desktop but i removed one and it had no negative effects
[01:49] <hydrozii> so i would just not worry about it
[01:49] <len> You removed lubuntu desktop and didn't have any problems?
[01:50] <phillw> hydrozii:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat
[01:50] <phillw> len: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop
[01:52] <len> Thanks.   So it's ok to remove, but should be added back before doing a version upgrade?  ie. 11.04
[01:55] <len> I hope I remember.  Or else I won't get any new programs added to the default for the next version when I upgrade.  I assume that would be the result.
[02:00] <len> Hmm, I just noticed that 10.10 just dropped support for VIA C3.    I have serveral old low watt 1ghz c3 machines what would run quite well with Lubuntu.  :(
[02:02] <phillw> len: that is why 10.04 is going to continue to be supported :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04
[02:45] <len> So, up to date lubuntu desktop/LXDE will continue to be compiled for 10.4 in parallel with the Lubuntu-current?
[02:48] <len> I have a feeling my nehemiah core C3 will continune to work because it has the missing 686 instruction the other c3's are missing.  I assume the drop in c3 support is due to switch to compiling for 686.
[02:49] <phillw> len: the team has commitred to support i586
[02:49] <phillw> *committed*
[02:50] <phillw> len: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04
[02:51] <phillw> len: yes, Julien has given a committment to continue back porting, as has pcman.
[02:52] <len> Great, I was a afraid it would just be bug fixes that you usually get for a lts.
[02:52] <andai> I killed the panel so now alt+f2 works and i can´t start the panel
[02:52] <phillw> len: we had a chat on the mailing list, and I can assure you that 10.04 will continue to be supported. I've spent the evening getting the documentation all re-done
[02:53] <andai> *alt-f2 doesn´t work
[02:54] <len> :) All is good then, I guess.  I suppose i586 is not so important for gnome/kde since they run too slowly in the older procesors anyway, but Lubuntu is whole different story.  I'm still shocked at how well it runs on "junk" hardware.
[02:56] <len> That was what Xbuntu was supposed to be for, but it doesn
[02:57] <len> deliver like lxde
[02:57] <len> The xbuntu project must be feeling the heat now :)
[02:58] <len> They are kind of in no-man's-land.
[02:58] <head_victim> I think they're more aimed at just a quicker gui than gnome, not necessarily at old hardware.
[04:02] <hydrozii> what is the name of the file manager in lubuntu.. that i can use to open it from a terminal
[04:03] <JoeMaverickSett> hydrozii: pcmanfm
[04:06] <hydrozii> thanks!
[04:06] <hyperair> there's always xdg-open
[04:08] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: hey man
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> hello, stlsaint. :)
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> yo, hyperair. :)
[04:13] <hyperair> well hello
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> hyperair: how do you do?
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[04:13] <hyperair> fine thank you =)
[04:15]  * JoeMaverickSett goes back to watching TV. :D
[09:41] <benjr> my google skills may just be lacking but how does lubuntu compare performance wise to some of these unoffical trimmed down versions of windows xp?
[09:41] <benjr> stock xp has lower requirements then lubuntu, but i know better then to base my decision on those
[09:42] <hyperair> it's very much better.
[09:42] <hyperair> i believe the requirements you see are for the livecd interface
[09:42] <hyperair> failing to meet those requirements means you need to ues the alternate installer, which is similar to windows xp's installation cd
[09:43] <hyperair> the menu/text-based interface, i eman
[09:43] <benjr> my pc meets the minimum requirements, but i know from past experience that just meeting them doesnt guarentee a smooth user experince
[09:44] <slooksterpsv> like Windows FLP? - always have at least 1 1/2 times more ram than the minimum requirements
[09:45] <benjr> would you say id see a performance increase over xp on a 1.6ghz 256mb ram?
[09:46] <benjr> im getting the laptop for free because the current owners are going insane trying to use it with xp, its so slow
[09:53] <head_victim> benjr: it's hard to compare an operating system that well over 5 years old with one that is cutting edge.
[09:53] <head_victim> +is
[09:54] <head_victim> I can find a version of windows 3.1 that will go great on your machine if all your after is speed.
[09:55] <hydrozii> you could go with gentoo or arch?
[09:55] <head_victim> I'm using lubuntu on a 2.4 celeron cpu here with xchat, skype and mans all running and only using 256 mb ram though if that helps for performance.
[09:56] <benjr> my requirements arnt cutting edge, 90% of its sue will be: web browser (with flash), music player (for streaming radio), and irc/msn/icq etc
[09:56] <head_victim> Should be fine, the only thing you might look into is if you can get up to 512mb of ram cheaply or not. That may assist if you want to do multiple things at once but it will still function with only 256
[09:56] <benjr> hydrozii: i came across those 2 distros while googling the topic, but thjey seem too advanced for me
[09:57] <hydrozii> yah they are pretty advanced im using lubuntu till i build up the courage and knowledge to use arch
[09:57] <slooksterpsv> puppy Linux =D
[09:58] <hydrozii> yah im pretty sure you could get 512mb of ram pretty cheap
[09:58] <bioterror> lets keep discussions on offtopic
[09:58] <hyperair> hydrozii: gentoo and arch aren't really all that fast, you know.
[09:59] <hyperair> those 0.1 millisecs faster webpage loads don't mean shit.
[09:59] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:59] <bioterror> he guys, join #lubuntu-offtopic
[09:59] <bioterror> and ill join the conversation
[09:59] <hydrozii> but they are like as light as you can possibly get right?
[09:59] <bioterror> lets keep this channel for helping people out
[09:59] <hyperair> hydrozii: not really.
[09:59] <benjr> sorry bioterror
[10:00] <hydrozii> i understand once you have a de and other things installed you wont have much speed over lubuntu
[10:00] <hyperair> hydrozii: they're no lighter than ubuntu server edition.
[10:00] <hyperair> benjr: so anyway, lubuntu will perform faster than XP on that machine.
[10:01] <benjr> yea sorry for binring up xp in here
[10:01] <benjr> bringing*
[10:01] <hyperair> you did nothing wrong
[10:01] <hydrozii> how much ram space do you save just running openbox without the de?
[10:01]  * hyperair shrugs
[10:01] <hyperair> why don't you go measure
[10:01] <hydrozii> yah sorry
[10:01] <hyperair> i kinda like proper power management and disk management though.
[10:02] <bioterror> i got 66mb ram usage with arch + wmaker
[10:02] <hydrozii> yah but my computer has alot of trouble playing hd video
[10:02] <hydrozii> works alot better when i just run openbox
[10:02] <bioterror> using wicd and gnome-power-manager
[10:02] <slooksterpsv> as a continuation to my comment, Lubuntu may not be completely slimmed down as people would like it to be, granted its a whole lot better than Xubuntu, but some cases it may be better to look into other variants like Puppy Linux (uses Ubuntu as its core) or other distros like Tiny Core
[10:03] <hydrozii> yah ive heard good things about puppy linux
[10:03] <hyperair> slooksterpsv: lubuntu is meant to be a fully-featured, fast linux desktop for tiny systems.
[10:03] <slooksterpsv> Lubuntu is still, in my opinion, more complete than puppy, as it seems geared more towards mainstream low-end or old arch, rather than completely out-dated
[10:03] <hydrozii> 66mb is pretty frikken low
[10:04] <slooksterpsv> hydrozii: I'd run a file server with that much ram :P
[10:04] <hyperair> slooksterpsv: the kind of slimming down you're talking about is dropping features and dropping to a terminal every time you want to mount something.
[10:05] <hydrozii> well that makes it even more fun
[10:05] <slooksterpsv> true, but Lubuntu is still slimmer than Xubuntu, but only because it's not using a lot of gnome services in the bg
[10:05] <hyperair> actually you'll be surprised how many gnome services lubuntu uses =)
[10:05] <benjr> i dont mean to turn this into a linux tutorial, but tell if i have this right, different distros are just different collections of other peoples packages rolled into a whole system?
[10:05] <slooksterpsv> not but only because, I meant one of the reasons is
[10:05] <hyperair> benjr: bingo.
[10:05] <hyperair> benjr: that's why they're called "distributions"
[10:06] <hyperair> benjr: there are distro-specific changes as well.
[10:06] <benjr> the distro itself, havnt actually coded much themselves?
[10:06] <hyperair> not much
[10:06] <hyperair> some more than others
[10:06] <hyperair> well, package maintainers also contribute back upstraem
[10:06] <hyperair> basically we come up with patches for bugfixes, and put the code back upstream
[10:06] <hyperair> or new features even, for example
[10:07] <benjr> so a better approach to finding a suitable distro could be to seeing what packages i want to have, and then see which distros include those?
[10:07] <slooksterpsv> hyperair: meh I'm not sure how to phrase what i mean so I'm gonna hit the hay
[10:07] <hyperair> slooksterpsv: please do before you start claiming that ubuntu server edition is what lubuntu should be.
[10:07] <hyperair> =p
[10:07] <slooksterpsv> benjr: that would work, my personal preference is how easy is it to resolve dependencies
[10:07] <slooksterpsv> hyperair: it should be though :P jk
[10:07] <hyperair> lol
[10:08] <hydrozii> im pretty sure arch and gentoo allow you to chose exactly what packages you want
[10:08] <slooksterpsv> hyperair: someone told me Lubuntu didn't contain gnome libraries in it oh... libraries not services
[10:08] <hyperair> benjr: the heart of every distribution is its package manager.
[10:08] <hydrozii> their whole philosophy is like not putting anything on your computer that you didnt ask for
[10:08] <hyperair> benjr: i choose my distro based on their focus, and their package manager.
[10:08] <hyperair> benjr: apt-get/dpkg is pretty much the best out there
[10:09] <hyperair> and *buntu are distros which put focus on usability.
[10:09] <hyperair> hydrozii: actually.. arch's package manager has no package-splitting.
[10:09] <hyperair> hydrozii: which means when you install a package, all the rubbish comes with it
[10:09] <hyperair> including the stuff that goes into -dev
[10:10] <hydrozii> oh but gentoo does right?
[10:10] <hyperair> headers, developer documentation, and stuff.
[10:10] <benjr> hydrozii: i had a feeling arch and gentoo were like that, thats a bit too much work for me, i dont want to have to explicatly tell it to install the package for creating directories, mounting, etc
[10:10] <hyperair> hydrozii: i think gentoo is pretty much the same, being  a source-based distro
[10:10] <hydrozii> yah i understand you im the same way
[10:11] <hyperair> benjr: users also pick their distro based on stuff like.. availability of commercial packages.
[10:11] <hyperair> like flash has .debs
[10:11] <hyperair> and skype
[10:11] <hyperair> and opera
[10:11] <hyperair> and canon printer drivers
[10:11] <benjr> oh yea, my browser of choice is opera
[10:11] <hydrozii> why?
[10:12] <hyperair> guys, let's not turn this into a browser-war
[10:12] <hydrozii> no i just want to know his reasons?
[10:12] <benjr> im used to its interface/features, been suing it for about 6 years, i could make firefox do the same thing but with all the addons it just becomes a hassle
[10:12] <hyperair> and chrome?
[10:12] <hydrozii> oh
[10:12] <hydrozii> yah ive looked at stats and chrome seems to be that fastest everywhere ive looked
[10:13] <hyperair> yeah
[10:13] <hyperair> it's just a little harsh on memory consumption
[10:13] <hyperair> but now that i have 4G of RAM... \o/ chromium!
[10:13] <benjr> the speed difference are negliable to me, and hwo i use the browers, it all comes down to the UI for me
[10:14] <hyperair> i'm sure you'll be singing a different tune when you see chrome's speed.
[10:14] <hydrozii> yah chrome is pretty nice
[10:14] <benjr> anyway, since opera sint opensource, what does that mean for my choice of distro/package manager?
[10:15] <hydrozii> im pretty sure it wouldnt be a problem if you chose a buntu distro
[10:16] <hydrozii> youd just have to go to their website and download it if they support linux
[10:16] <benjr> ive had brief expose to ubuntu before and opera worked ok on there
[10:16] <benjr> can i get all the same packages on lubuntu that are availabale for ubuntu?
[10:17] <hydrozii> i think so..
[10:17] <hydrozii> lubuntu works perfectly for me
[10:17] <hydrozii> but ive only used it for a day so far
[10:18] <benjr> im just wondering if i install lubuntu will i have to learn to use a bunch of different applications, or can i install my personal favourites on there
[10:18] <hydrozii> im pretty sure you can use your personal favourites
[10:19] <hydrozii> all the same applications i used in ubuntu work fine in lubuntu
[10:19] <hydrozii> work better actually
[10:22] <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=calculate_gentoo_benchmarks&num=2
[10:23] <bioterror> I promised to join conversation
[10:23] <bioterror> (I was eating my lunch in my car last time I spoke with you ;)
[10:31] <bioterror> ahhh
[10:31] <bioterror> hydrozii, Mon12:22 <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=calculate_gentoo_benchmarks&num=2
[10:33] <hydrozii> anyone know how i could downgrade back to 10.04?
[10:33] <bioterror> with clean install
[10:33] <hydrozii> yes but is there a way to do it with out haveingt to start over?
[10:34] <bioterror> impossible
[10:34] <hydrozii> okay
[10:34] <bioterror> becouse of dependencies
[10:34] <hydrozii> well i cant get autologin to work  in 1010
[10:34] <hydrozii> it worked fine in 1004
[10:35] <bioterror> hmmm
[10:35] <bioterror> you've edited the file?
[10:35] <hydrozii> oh yah forgot about that
[10:35] <hydrozii> which file was it again?
[10:36] <bioterror> /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[10:36] <hydrozii> /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[10:36] <hydrozii> aww you beat me
[10:36] <bioterror> yeah
[10:36] <bioterror> I had to google something
[10:36] <bioterror> becouse I'm at school
[10:36] <hydrozii> haha its like 5am for me
[10:37] <hydrozii> is your school liberal with the web filters? or have you gotten around them to use irc?
[10:39] <hydrozii> hang on im gonna see if autologin works now
[10:40] <bioterror> did it?
[10:41] <hydrozii> yes :)
[10:41] <bioterror> ;)
[10:42] <hydrozii> according to system profiler it says im running ubuntu 10.10, im not sure but i think before i upgraded it said lubuntu
[10:42] <bioterror> lubuntu ubuntu, what's the difference :D
[10:42] <hydrozii> yah i guess it doesnt matter
[10:43] <benjr> thanks for all your input, ive done a bit more googling and i think lubuntu is the right choice, i just gotta wait till i get home from work :)
[10:43] <hydrozii> so the little start button in lubuntu.. is there any way to make that look cooler?
[10:43] <hydrozii> lubuntu is awesome
[10:44] <benjr> at the very least it'll be fun to try and use it, im a linux beginner, so even the installation seems exciting lol
[10:44] <hydrozii> yah ive been a beginner for a while lol
[10:44] <hydrozii> and i know what you mean
[10:45] <bioterror> benjr, now that you have chosen to use lubuntu, you might try other distributions and desktop environments, but I bet you will always come back to lubuntu
[10:55] <benjr> bioterror: probably out of fear of the unknown as much as any other reason :p
[10:55] <benjr> its taken me this many years to dare to move away from windows
[10:55] <bioterror> you just have to take that step
[10:56] <bioterror> it's a mental state in your mind, just like dropping alcohol or meat
[13:54] <pip_> I give the lubuntu alternate cd 10 out of 10 : )
[14:08] <aaq> some one know if its safe to update lubuntu?
[14:08] <aaq> :)
[14:46] <Shattered1> Hi guys, can someone answer few questions? :D
[15:14] <leszek> hi
[18:12] <hblount> hi. i had lubuntu installed on my old laptop. then i installed lubuntu on a usb drive using this old laptop with lubuntu already on it. i tested the lubuntu usb drive and it works (i am using it now) but now my laptop wont boot without the usb, it says some error and stays on black terminal screen.
[18:15] <bioterror> would be nice to know that error
[18:15] <bioterror> hard to help when you dont tell us how to help
[18:16] <hblount> the prompt says "grub recovery" or something like that
[18:57] <nk_> phillw?
[18:57] <bioterror> nk, may I help?
[18:57] <nk_> well maybe
[18:58] <nk_> do you know if its safe tu update lubuntu 10.10
[18:58] <nk_> ?
[18:58] <bioterror> yes
[18:58] <bioterror> I'm using 10.10 myself
[18:59] <bioterror> and I yesterday upgraded my parents-in-laws laptop from 10.04 to 10.10
[18:59] <nk_> i have duall boot with win7 and the update have f'''' my win7 3 times
[18:59] <bioterror> really
[18:59] <nk_> well i all ready got 10.10
[18:59] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-proper
[18:59] <bioterror> run that os-proper as root
[18:59] <bioterror> and then sudo update-grub
[18:59] <bioterror> problem solved
[19:04] <hblount> hi. i have an old laptop with lubuntu installed. i used this laptop to create a lubuntu usb drive. i tried booting with usb drive and it works fine. i tried to reboot without usb, booting normal with laptop HDD. but it says: "error: no such device: ####-####-###" and "grub rescue>" prompt. can anyone help?
[19:06] <bioterror> your grub is messed up
[19:06] <bioterror> UUID might be wrong
[19:06] <bioterror> when you installed that lubuntu on that usb drive, you told to install Grub on wrong device
[19:07] <bioterror> probably you installed it on sda instead of sdb
[19:07] <bioterror> !grub2
[19:07] <hblount> yeah im noob
[19:07] <bioterror> that happens
[19:07] <hblount> can i fix it?
[19:08] <bioterror> ofcourse
[19:08] <bioterror> easiest way is to boot that your usb thingie
[19:08] <bioterror> then do chroot
[19:09] <bioterror> and run grub-update
[19:09] <bioterror> or fix correct UUID by hand
[19:09] <bioterror> your choise
[19:14] <hblount> hey so how do i chroot/grub-update?
[19:16] <bioterror> http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11558
[19:17] <nk_> well
[19:17] <nk_> well
[19:17] <bioterror> well well
[19:17] <nk_> where is my win7 dvd?
[19:17] <bioterror> I stole it
[19:17] <bioterror> you dont need it anymore
[19:17] <bioterror> you have lubuntu
[19:17] <nk_> hehe'
[19:17] <nk_> well if it ha been some easy way to acess windows shared folders
[19:18] <bioterror> oh look, your win7 cd is in a paper shredder
[19:18] <bioterror> OEH NOES!
[19:18] <bioterror> I today at school mounted windows partition and gave rm -rf windows :D
[19:19] <bioterror> (but then I installed an image of windows back which I had just made ;)
[19:19] <nk_> well i made love to my girlfriend
[19:19] <bioterror> did you remember to wear condom
[19:20] <nk_> nope
[19:20] <bioterror> oeh noe!
[19:20] <bioterror> IT'S TRAP!
[19:20] <nk_> i know
[19:28] <dolphy> bioterror: is this link the easiest way to do this? i am noob.
[19:28] <bioterror> easiest way is to mount your / (if you dont have separate /boot)
[19:29] <bioterror> checked your drives UUID with gparted and replace the UUID in grub.cfg with the correct one
[19:29] <bioterror> check
[19:29] <bioterror> or you can just chroot and do the magic
[19:29] <bioterror> your choise
[19:30] <bioterror> maybe I would edit that file, try to boot after that
[19:30] <bioterror> and do sudo update-grub ;)
[19:30] <bioterror> if that works
[19:31] <dolphy> damn i dont know what you are talking about...sorry
[19:31] <dolphy> the first command on that link i tried and it said "vgchange: command not found"
[19:32] <bioterror> boot that USB-drive
[19:32] <bioterror> run gparted
[19:32] <dolphy> how do i run gparted
[19:32] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install gparted
[19:33] <dolphy> ok
[19:34] <bioterror> you check your hard drive's UUID
[19:34] <bioterror> you edit from your hard drive /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:35] <bioterror> with like gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:35] <bioterror> and replace that wrong UUID with correct
[19:36] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID
[19:36] <dolphy> so "gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg" is what i type?
[19:36] <bioterror> y
[19:37] <dolphy> how do i edit grub.cfg
[19:37] <bioterror> Mon21:36 <dolphy> so "gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg" is what i type?
[19:38] <dolphy> y=yes or why
[19:38] <bioterror> da
[19:38] <bioterror> :D
[19:39] <bioterror> I didnt include a question mark, did I?-)
[19:40] <dolphy> i did it and it said "(gksudo:1309): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[19:40] <bioterror> you're not in graphical mode?
[19:41] <dolphy> no. sorry. i was doing what the link u gave me said. it said do "alt+del+f2" and it is in prompt
[19:41] <dolphy> how do i go back? reboot?
[19:41] <bioterror> well
[19:41] <bioterror> ctrl + alt + f7
[19:41] <dolphy> k
[19:42] <bioterror> but
[19:42] <bioterror> have you run that gparted
[19:42] <bioterror> checked that drives UUID
[19:44] <dolphy> i did sudo get apt install gparted
[19:44] <dolphy> how do i run gparted
[19:45] <bioterror> do you have any important files in your lubuntu installationw which you have on that hard drive you messed up?
[19:46] <dolphy> uh...kinda. so i should just format and reinstall?
[19:47] <bioterror> it could be easier in this case...
[19:47] <bioterror> you can check with du -h <directory>
[19:47] <bioterror> how much space your  files takes
[19:47] <bioterror> and think if you can move them on the usb drive
[19:48] <dolphy> wow.cant believe its that fukt up. i can still access hard drive files in file manager. can i hook up an external HDD and use while its in usb mode?
[19:50] <bioterror> well
[19:50] <bioterror> it's not that fcuk uped
[19:51] <bioterror> I think it's easier for you and me to give up, move the files and install lubuntu once again all over it
[19:51] <bioterror> if you can move them
[19:51] <dolphy> i dont know. but it sure alot easier to install grub on usb than change it back so thats fucked up
[19:52] <bioterror> well
[20:02] <admin2> hi all
[20:02] <admin2> First use of lubuntu
[20:03] <bioterror> how you like it as much as we do
[20:04] <admin2> Got this error trying to open an avi file : Échec à l'ouverture de VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:05] <admin2> Got this error trying to open an avi file
[20:05] <bioterror> you're missing libvdpau for nvidia
[20:06] <bioterror> what kind of graphics card you own?
[20:06] <admin2> works anyway, but i will give this computer to my mother ...
[20:06] <bioterror> with VDPAU you can watch 1080p files with your graphics card
[20:06] <szczur> run gnome mplayer (Programs menu -> Audio and Video -> Gnome MPlayer)
[20:06] <szczur> choose Edit -> Preferences
[20:06] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU
[20:07] <szczur> and on Playbeck tab (or something like that) set Video output to gl2 or xv
[20:08] <szczur> hi bioterror
[20:08] <bioterror> hi szczur
[20:08] <bioterror> szczur, do you have lot of energy?
[20:08] <szczur> errr.. phew
[20:08] <szczur> hmm, for what?
[20:08] <szczur> :P
[20:08] <bioterror> you can help hblount
[20:08] <admin2> Ok, yhx, will give it a try
[20:08] <szczur> hblount?
[20:08] <bioterror> he messed up his grub.cfg with lubuntu installation on usb drive
[20:08] <szczur> what is the problem?
[20:09] <szczur> waaahhh, why why why :P
[20:09] <szczur> XD
[20:10] <szczur> he can recreate grub.cfg by running the update-grub command
[20:11] <hblount> hi. how do i do that
[20:11] <admin2> Super, it works well now : thx <szczur> &  <bioterror>
[20:12] <szczur> hblount, boot your lubuntu installation
[20:12] <hblount> with usb drive?
[20:12] <bioterror> oh true dat
[20:12] <szczur> and run "sudo update-grub" in terminal
[20:12] <bioterror> :D
[20:12] <bioterror> you can boot hard drive :D
[20:12] <szczur> hblount, you have installed lubuntu on hard drive?
[20:13] <bioterror> I didnt even think about that
[20:13] <hblount> yeah but cant boot from HDD
[20:13] <bioterror> put your usb drive in :D
[20:13] <hblount> it is booted from usb right now
[20:13] <szczur> so you don'rt have lubuntu on HDD right now?
[20:13] <bioterror> he has
[20:14] <hblount> i do, but i cant boot from it.
[20:14] <szczur> or only GRUB is incapable of booting lubuntu?
[20:14] <szczur> do you see a screen where you can choose your systems?
[20:14] <bioterror> szczur, the grub on his /dev/sda got UUID of his USB drive
[20:14] <hblount> i installed lubuntu on usb drive and accidentally installed grub on it
[20:14] <szczur> ahh
[20:15] <szczur> so grub is on the usb
[20:15] <szczur> baaaad
[20:15] <szczur> :P
[20:15] <szczur> ok, run sudo fdisk -l
[20:15] <szczur> and pastebin the results
[20:15] <szczur> pastebin.com
[20:16] <szczur> copy and paste the output there
[20:16] <szczur> and give us the link
[20:17] <szczur> hblount, are you following me? :P
[20:17] <szczur> just getting sure :)
[20:17] <hblount> ok i try
[20:17] <szczur> ok, step-by-step guide :P
[20:18] <szczur> run lxterminal (program menu -> accessories -> LXTerminal)
[20:19] <szczur> in the terminal window run "sudo fdisk -l" (without the quotes)
[20:19] <szczur> copy the output and paste it on that webpage sent by me and give us the link
[20:19] <szczur> voila :)
[20:19]  * szczur should write manpages
[20:26] <hblount> do i have to give email and name/title?
[20:26] <szczur> no
[20:30] <szczur> hblount, and what's with that ouput?
[20:31] <szczur> i need to know your hard drive mapping to prevent making another mistake :)
[20:34] <hblount> sorry getting bitched at. pastebin.com/FzJehe2p
[20:41] <szczur> ok, so i'm sure that sda is the hard drive :)
[20:41] <hblount> what is sda?
[20:41] <hblount> so can i fix?
[20:43] <szczur> yes, you always could
[20:43] <szczur> i wanted to check this
[20:43] <szczur> sda is the first hard drive of your computer
[20:43] <szczur> sdb is the second
[20:43] <szczur> ok sooo
[20:44] <szczur> now do everything slowly and report after any command you will execute :)
[20:44] <hblount> k
[20:44] <szczur> i don't want to have you desperated
[20:44] <szczur> :)
[20:44] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu
[20:45] <hblount> k
[20:45] <szczur> mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc
[20:45] <szczur> ahh
[20:45] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc
[20:45] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /dev /ubu/dev
[20:46] <hblount> so do the last 2 commands there?
[20:46] <szczur> yes
[20:47] <hblount> mount: mount point /ubu/proc does not exist
[20:47] <kosaidpo> guys i have dual boot so
[20:48] <szczur> it should work
[20:48] <kosaidpo> how can i add a anothe varient i wanna try fedora or achlinux
[20:48] <bioterror> if you dont know how to do that, skip the arch
[20:48] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu/proc
[20:48] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu/dev
[20:49] <hblount> k
[20:49] <szczur> done without errors?
[20:49] <nozes> hi
[20:49] <nozes> http://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagem/ver/2010-10-25-173553_1280x1024_scrot.png
[20:50] <szczur> if yes then do
[20:50] <szczur> chroot /ubu /bin/bash
[20:50] <szczur> and you'll be using your system from hard drive
[20:50] <hblount> chroot: cannot change root directory to /ubu: Operation not permitted
[20:50] <szczur> another step will be installing the GRUB bootloader
[20:51] <szczur> gaaah
[20:51] <szczur> something went obviously wrong
[20:51] <szczur> rm -r /ubu
[20:51] <szczur> wait
[20:51] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/dev
[20:51] <hblount> do i do sudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash?
[20:51] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/proc
[20:51] <szczur> yup
[20:52] <szczur> aahhh
[20:52] <szczur> wait
[20:52] <szczur> what a moron of me
[20:52] <szczur> sorry
[20:52] <szczur> i'm sorry
[20:52] <szczur> :)
[20:52] <hblount> k
[20:52] <szczur> soo let's back to basics :)
[20:52] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/dev
[20:52] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/proc
[20:52] <szczur> rm -r /ubu
[20:53] <szczur> i forgot about one most needed thing :)
[20:53] <szczur> so retry :)
[20:53] <szczur> hblount, are you with me?
[20:53] <hblount> rm: descend into write-protected directory '/ubu'?
[20:53] <szczur> no
[20:54] <szczur> ls /ubu
[20:54] <szczur> tell me what's there
[20:54] <hblount> dev proc
[20:54] <szczur> ok
[20:54] <szczur> sudo rm -r /ubu
[20:54] <szczur> now it will work :)
[20:54] <hblount> k
[20:55] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu
[20:55] <hblount> k
[20:55] <szczur> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /ubu
[20:56] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc
[20:56] <hblount> k
[20:59] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /dev /ubu/dev
[20:59] <szczur> and now :)
[20:59] <szczur> chroot /ubu /bin/bash
[20:59] <szczur> and it'll work :)
[20:59] <szczur> wait
[21:00] <szczur> did you chrooted?
[21:00] <hblount> no
[21:00] <szczur> sudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash
[21:00] <hblount> sudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash?
[21:00] <hblount> ok
[21:00] <hblount> yeah
[21:01] <hblount> k
[21:01] <szczur> grub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sda
[21:01] <szczur> now without sudo :)
[21:02] <hblount> installation finished. no error reported
[21:02] <szczur> now reboot
[21:02] <hblount> without usb right?
[21:02] <szczur> ckeck if the system wil boot from hard drive
[21:02] <szczur> right
[21:03] <szczur> will*
[21:03] <hblount> do i have to reinstall lubuntu on usb drive without grub?
[21:03] <szczur> you can have grub there :)
[21:03] <szczur> it won't work properly
[21:04] <szczur> but it does not inflict data on the drive
[21:04] <szczur> you can use gparted to remove the grub if you want
[21:05] <hblount> so if i want grub on usb, it erases it from my HDD?
[21:05] <bioterror> I just cant figure it how you managed to do that
[21:06] <bioterror> becouse last time I installed lubuntu on stick, it installed grub on that same usb stick
[21:06] <hblount> i installed ubuntu on usb and it was a wizard so it wasnt hard to mistakenly do it
[21:07] <szczur> hblount, that command run before
[21:07] <szczur> grub-install
[21:07] <szczur> doesn't remove grub wrom usb
[21:07] <bioterror> there's no grub on usb
[21:07] <szczur> you have now two grubs
[21:07] <bioterror> :D
[21:07] <hblount> thanks SOOOO much szczur, it works perfect now
[21:07] <bioterror> if I got it right
[21:07] <szczur> one on usb nd second (proper) on hdd
[21:07] <bioterror> ?
[21:07] <Kurdistan> I girls
[21:07] <bioterror> I boys
[21:07] <Kurdistan> I mean hey ;P
[21:07] <szczur> hblount, no problem :)
[21:08] <hblount> so should i just leave usb drive as it is? it wont mess up other computers if i boot with it?
[21:08] <phillw> hblount: It takes a bit of getting your head round, I have grub on my HDD, also on usb as it is 1st priority to boot in my BIOS.
[21:09] <Kurdistan> hblount do you have problem making bootable usb-pen?
[21:09] <szczur> hblount, if you will boot from this usb you will use the lubuntu i presume
[21:10] <szczur> you can remove grub by formatting it with gparted
[21:10] <hblount> yeah. but if i boot it on a different computer will it mess it up?
[21:10] <hblount> what is the difference of having grub on usb vs not?
[21:10] <szczur> no, it won't mess up anything
[21:11] <hblount> i can just reinstall lubuntu on usb. theres nothing on usb except new lubuntu install
[21:11] <phillw> hblount: you cannot boot from the usb without grub on it.
[21:11] <szczur> phillw, you can
[21:12] <szczur> that's the way liveusb works :)
[21:12] <szczur> it doesn't use the grub but syslinux, the same way as livecd
[21:12] <hblount> its better to have usb w/out grub right?
[21:13] <Kurdistan> hblount do you want to install lubuntu on usb
[21:13] <phillw> szczur: correct, I was just trying to explain, without too much detail that having grub on the usb will not 'mess things up' :)
[21:13] <szczur> but if you have system INSTALLED (by using the lubuntu installer) on that usb then you need to use grub
[21:13] <Kurdistan> I didnt understand your problem (came late).
[21:13] <szczur> actually it doesn't make a difference
[21:13] <szczur> you can format it to get rid of GRUB
[21:13] <szczur> you don't need it anymore
[21:13] <Kurdistan> szczur, yeah same here.
[21:14] <hblount> oh.whats the difference of having it installed on usb vs acting as a livecd?
[21:14] <szczur> Kurdistan, ?
[21:14] <Kurdistan> there is people that says they feel much faster boot-time after profiling.
[21:14] <szczur> hblount, you can install linux on USB to act as a normal system installed on HDD
[21:15] <Kurdistan> haha szcur sorry my friend mixed windows. :) that I wrote should be on off-topic part.
[21:15] <szczur> if this is the case you can save your work and so on
[21:15] <szczur> acts as normal OS
[21:15] <hblount> oh.weird
[21:15] <szczur> if you will use liveusb creator
[21:15] <szczur> you have livecd, but on usb :)
[21:15] <szczur> so yuo can't change anything
[21:16] <Kurdistan> I prefer unetbootin
[21:16] <szczur> except making another partition on that drive and save data there
[21:16] <szczur> the same way you can't change the content of CD-ROM
[21:18] <hblount> just double checking: right now im on an old xp desktop. i can use the usb with lubuntu installed on this desktop and not affect xp or HDD or boot,etc?
[21:20] <szczur> yes
[21:21] <hblount> cool. hey can lubuntu run on desktop with 256mb ram?
[21:21] <Kurdistan> yes
[21:21] <Kurdistan> it can without any problem
[21:22] <hblount> cool
[21:22] <Kurdistan> yes lubuntu is really cool.
[21:22] <hblount> yeah i love it
[21:22] <phillw> hblount: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended%20Audience
[21:25] <hblount> k. g2g. thanks again szczur. bye!
[22:19] <aaq> XX
[22:20] <szczur> hi aaq
[22:20] <aaq> halla
[22:34] <aaq> bioterror?
[22:34] <bioterror> still here
[22:34] <aaq> woooooooooohhhhhha
[22:34] <bioterror> about to hit the bed, though
[22:35] <aaq> so what was the fix
[22:35] <aaq> for win7
[22:35] <aaq> :=
[22:35] <bioterror> ahhhh
[22:35] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-prober
[22:35] <aaq> i can do that from live cd?
[22:35] <bioterror> gotta do it bymyself too
[22:36] <bioterror> why?
[22:36] <bioterror> if you can boot to your lubuntu
[22:36] <bioterror> ofcourse you can do it, you just have to chroot
[22:36] <aaq> well i have fixed win7
[22:36] <bioterror> sad157@dopethrone:~$ sudo os-prober
[22:36] <bioterror> /dev/sda1:Microsoft Windows XP Professional:Windows:chain
[22:36] <bioterror> I just did it myself too :D
[22:38] <aaq> well i am a noob so if u can tell me how or show me a place where i can read it i be glad
[22:38] <bioterror> can we start from the begin
[22:38] <aaq> glad
[22:38] <bioterror> what's the situation now
[22:39] <aaq> no i cant boot lubuntu
[22:39] <aaq> ;)
[22:39] <bioterror> szczur, just instructed one guy
[22:39] <bioterror> !grub2
[22:40] <szczur> gaah, i have to do it again? :P
[22:41] <szczur> aaq, can you boot your lubuntu?
[22:41] <bioterror> hahahahahahaha
[22:41] <szczur> from hard disk?
[22:41] <bioterror> I think he just installed windows 7 and lost gru
[22:41] <bioterror> grub
[22:41] <szczur> aaq, what's the problem
[22:41] <aaq> well i had to try
[22:42] <szczur> maybe we will begin from the start :)
[22:42] <phillw> aaq: if you lost your grub, head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708
[22:42] <aaq> hyaha
[22:42] <phillw> that covers the various scenarious when grub looses windows and windows looses grub.
[22:42] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD
[22:42] <aaq> dont you like me here?
[22:43] <szczur> ohh, faster way :)
[22:43] <szczur> phillw, thanks pal :)
[22:43] <phillw> hiyas aaq, sorry, was just digging up the link for you. :)
[22:46] <bioterror> aaq, we like many people in here
[22:47] <aaq> D
[22:51] <Rabbitbunny> newb question, is google chrome or lxde making that noise when I close a window, and how do I turn that off?
[22:52] <bioterror> what noise? :D
[22:52] <Rabbitbunny> it souds kinda like a glass marble hitting a steel plate, but muted... underwater?
[22:54] <Rabbitbunny> oh, nvm, I closed another window outside of chrome, it didn't happen.
[22:54] <Rabbitbunny> Anyway, lxde is super awesome and thanks for packaging it and stuff guys.
[22:55] <phillw> Rabbitbunny: tahnks for taking the time to say so; it really does it all seem worthwhile :)
[22:56] <phillw> *thanks*
[22:57] <len> I'm having trouble getting a Thinkpad 600 to shutdown.  It closes everything down ok and "halts" the system, but I have to flip the on/off slider to actually turn it off.  I assume it has something to do with apci.  I've been trying different apci command line options in grub, but nothing seems to work.
[22:58] <Rabbitbunny> I've been smiling for longer than when I got my first electric bicycle :D
[22:58] <bioterror> electric bicycle?!
[22:58] <bioterror> what's that?
[22:58] <bioterror> bike for fatasses? :D
[22:58] <Rabbitbunny> Well, kinda
[22:58] <bioterror> guy with two fixed gears cannot understand
[22:59] <bioterror> pedaling makes me less fat :D
[22:59] <bioterror> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7tjigo4uh1qac69yo1_500.jpg ;)
[22:59] <Rabbitbunny> It's a hybrid type thing, the SUV of bikes. I commute/grocery in it. We can PM to maintain SNR if you want.
[23:00] <szczur> len, please do
[23:00] <szczur> sudo leafpad /etc/default/grub
[23:00] <bioterror> Rabbitbunny, http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/
[23:01] <szczur> and add acpi=force to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line
[23:01] <Rabbitbunny> bioterror: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velomobile
[23:02] <bioterror> Rabbitbunny, you own that kind of thing?
[23:02] <Rabbitbunny> mhmm.
[23:02] <bioterror> "cooool" ;)
[23:03] <len> That is what I am doing right now, lol.  I've already tried:  nolapci, noapci, apci=off, pci=noapci and none of those have worked.  Trying the force now.
[23:04] <bioterror> len, got the latest BIOS?
[23:04] <szczur> if you're disabling acpi then it's not weird that is is not working :P
[23:04] <bioterror> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/DSHY-3VRJPK.html
[23:05] <len> I mean I've been trying all kinds of combinations.  I'm doing =force by itself.
[23:05] <bioterror> len, check your bios version
[23:05] <bioterror> if you're using 1.22, I would then suggest to try apm instead of acpi...
[23:06] <len> Probably not the latest bios version.  I didn't want to mess with it if I didn't have to--this thing is so ancient
[23:06] <bioterror> yes it is
[23:06] <bioterror> I used to have 560Z
[23:06] <bioterror> ;)
[23:07] <bioterror> but first you should update your BIOS if it's outdate
[23:07] <bioterror> dated
[23:07] <bioterror> if that doesnt help, then APM
[23:08] <len> Can you swich to apm with out compiling your own kernel?
[23:09] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto#Suspending to RAM (APM)
[23:09] <bioterror> daaamn
[23:09] <bioterror> is my chrome broken or the ubuntu.com
[23:09] <bioterror> I get broken urls
[23:10] <bioterror> :D
[23:10] <phillw> bioterror: chromium is a pain for it
[23:10] <len> apci=force worked. :)  I'll go check my bios version now
[23:10] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto#Suspending%20to%20RAM%20(APM)   Should give the link
[23:11] <bioterror> USE THE FORCE, LUKE! ;D
[23:11] <bioterror> I love force
[23:12] <len> Are there any downsides to using =force?  Does it effect any other part of apci other than at shutdown time?
[23:12] <bioterror> you can you suspend and resume?
[23:14] <len> I haven't tested it yet.
[23:16] <aaq> lol
[23:16] <len> BIOS version is IBET54WW
[23:16] <len> Dated 9/18/99
[23:17] <bioterror> it's the latest
[23:17] <aaq> phillw?
[23:17] <len> That's good.  I'll test the suspend/resume now.
[23:18] <phillw> aaq: you rang ?
[23:18] <aaq> yes i just wounder if it possible to have bouth win7 and lubuntu?
[23:18] <bioterror> yes it is
[23:19] <bioterror> aaq, easiest way is to install first windows 7, and then linux
[23:19] <aaq> yes yes
[23:19] <aaq> i have
[23:19] <aaq> we have been here before and i am sry for that
[23:19] <phillw> aaq: yes, use the grub loader to choose which you want to boot into. If you put win on 2nd then win wipes out grub and you need to use that link I posted up earlier.
[23:20] <len> Thanks for all the help, and useful links guys.  This is one of the most helpfull, friendly and non-flame filled chatroom I've been in.
[23:20] <aaq> but if i fix 1 thing the other gets broken
[23:20] <phillw> aaq: get win happily booting first, using that link, then put on grub2
[23:20] <phillw> your lubuntu area is quite safe.
[23:21] <czz> Hello, how can i get rid of the workspaces icon on the toolbar?
[23:21] <aaq> i just did and now i only can boot in lubuntu
[23:21] <bioterror> right click and remove desktop pager
[23:21] <MonthOLDpickle> you mean the extra desktops square things? Right click and remove or settings
[23:22] <aaq> and if i fix that i only can boot in windows and so on
[23:22] <czz> bioterror, thanks
[23:22] <bioterror> finaly something that I knew and I could help!
[23:22] <bioterror> \o/
[23:22] <aaq> !!!
[23:22] <phillw> hmmmm... aaq, I'd ask on that thread that I posted; I'm now a bit rusty with grub2.
[23:23] <aaq> sry for this
[23:23] <phillw> and have never played with win7. I do know that there were some issues, but they should have been resolved quite a while back.
[23:23] <phillw> aaq: it's why we are here :)
[23:24] <aaq> well it works if u install win7 and then lubuntu. but one of the linux img update break it
[23:25] <aaq> and i can resist updating
[23:25] <aaq> :(
[23:25] <aaq> cant
[23:25] <phillw> after you install the update, go to lxterminal and issue the command
[23:25] <phillw> sudo update-grub
[23:26] <phillw> I've not come across a linux image causing a problem, but that will tell grub to go and double check everything before you reboot.
[23:27] <aaq> it dont say any thing about ntfs
[23:27] <phillw> you should see it find the windows area and the lubuntu stuff as it checks.
[23:28] <phillw> it will simply say 'windows' as part of the text as it finds it.
[23:29] <aaq> 2 linux img and mem test
[23:30] <phillw> aaq: you'd be best posting to that forum link I gave you, I'm sorry, I do not have experiance of win7 and grub2.
[23:30] <aaq> ok
[23:31] <aaq> thanks for help
[23:31] <aaq> !!
[23:31] <phillw> talsmesget is a really good guy, and will no doubt know what the problem is. The grub guru I know is not on-line atm, if you do not it working, come back and nag me :)
[23:31] <aaq> :)