 @diogenes_, Ok, thanks. I ended up using a flatpak, but how do you make a shortcut? Thanks.
[03:08] <lemma> the touchpad on this lenovo ideapad 330 running the kubuntu 18.04 kernel does not work at all. I am wondering if there it is realistic to hope that a future kernel will fix the problem
[04:12] <valorie> lemma, there is a PPA by the ubuntu kernel devels
[04:13] <valorie> I suggest joining the #ubuntu-kernel chan, reading the topic, then asking your question
[04:13] <valorie> they were very helpful when I had sound problems caused by the kernel
[04:13] <valorie> gave me a patch to test, etc.
[04:13] <valorie> fixed ever since!
[05:07] <riidom> Anarchotaoist, if making a shortcut involves creating a .desktop file, you put the "flatpak run xxyyyyzz" command into the "Exec=" line
[06:02] <Edisto> having a big issue. Was able to finally install amdgpu-pro since I downloaded the right kernel from package repo... However, my second gpu is not listed. Went to XORG.0.log and it is not listed
[06:02] <Edisto> I have no problems in Ubuntu so i'm trying to figure out what is going on in Kubuntu where Firepro w8100 is just not supported?
[10:13] <Alexfrench> hello
[10:29] <ylli_> Alexfrench: hello
[10:35] <Alexfrench> anyone use davinci resolve ? how it is vs others like kdenlive or openshot ??
[11:02] <mamonetti> hi
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:44] <BluesKaj> hi Phil Linux
[11:48] <Alexfrench> hi
[16:10] <m_g_lewis> What does Mint use for the sources.list file? I opened /etc/apt/sources.list and it only contains one entry...
[16:19] <BluesKaj> !mint |m_g_lewis,
[16:56] <m_g_lewis> is knoppix based on Ubuntu?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> no
[17:00] <BluesKaj> m_g_lewis, it's debian based
[18:02] <tomte> hi
[18:02] <tomte> my application menu doesn't work anymore
[18:03] <tomte> if I klick the icon nothing shows up, if I just hover over it, it shows some "Application menu" message
[18:09] <tomte> is there away to just restart the application menu?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> does right click on it bring up a context menu?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> like "configure application launcher"
[18:28] <tomte> BluesKaj: yes
[18:35] <tichun> I don't like that flatpaks pinned to panel launch a new icon
[21:14] <criss9000> hello
[21:15] <bprompt> jello
[21:15] <kalikatz> mello
[21:16] <criss9000> can anyone help me with an audio issue in kubuntu 18.4.1?
[21:16] <bprompt> criss9000:    you can always ask, worse case, there'll be thin air and noone knows, I for one run kubuntu 16.04
[21:17] <kalikatz> not i,sry
[21:17] <criss9000> i have a headset with over-ear headphones and a mic, and the mic is picking up noise from the headphones creating an echo
[21:18] <criss9000> i've looked everywhere in the system settings for a way to suppress that echo
[21:18] <criss9000> i also tried alsamixer which disappointed me by seemingly not having that option
[21:19] <criss9000> and trying to install drivers for my sound card (realtek integrated audio) only end in failure
[21:19] <kalikatz> hmmmm, ear and mic plugged into the right jacks?  im not sure, the mic sounds like it is way too sensitive to pick up noise from a headset
[21:19] <criss9000> I'll appreciate any sort of help
[21:20] <criss9000> they are plugged in correctly, yes
[21:20] <criss9000> analog jacks only, no USB
[21:20] <kalikatz> what if you try turning down mic level?
[21:20] <criss9000> that only turns it down
[21:21] <criss9000> my windows 7 computer can do noise suppression just fine with the realtek hd audio manager panel
[21:21] <criss9000> but kubuntu doesn't seem to have anything like that
[21:21] <criss9000> i don't recall having this problem with my windows pc
[21:22] <kalikatz> ill peek in the kubuntu 18.04 settings i have, 1 sec
[21:26] <kalikatz> dont see an echo cancelation feature in 18.04, however there is a "volume feedback" in the audio general settings
[21:26] <kalikatz> and nothing about echo in advanced in the same audio setings
[21:26] <criss9000> that one doesnt do anything tho
[21:27] <kalikatz> ya wouldnt think so
[21:27] <kalikatz> what about though if mic had the same "playthrough" option ?
[21:27] <criss9000> i was wondering if anyone knows of an app that can apply echo suppression
[21:28] <kalikatz> im not aware of such, sry
[21:29] <criss9000> thanks anyway, ill keep looking
[21:29] <kalikatz> ok
[21:58] <criss9000> so i found some youtube videos that give instructions on how to add an echo cancel module to the pulsebsettings
[21:58] <criss9000> it seems to be mostly working
[21:59] <criss9000> at least mostly
[21:59] <criss9000> see what you think about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCc80p7MsDg
[22:01] <criss9000> it eliminated most of the echo, and whatever remains of it is rather faint
[22:08] <kalikatz> looks workable
[22:09] <kalikatz> take note of your changes in case it does nothing for you.  looks like it worked for a couple ppl
[22:12] <criss9000> i made sure to write it into a text file so i know exactly what changes i made
[22:21] <kalikatz> my default.pa has "load-module module-filter-heuristics" which claims to have echo cancellation?
[22:24] <criss9000> you can test it with any app that listens to audio input and output
[22:24] <criss9000> i for example use OBS
[22:24] <criss9000> which is how i found out that i have this echo problem
[23:22] <kinghat> so i just did `sudo apt install --install-recommends materia-kde` what is it to remove it? `sudo apt remove materia-kde`? what is the '--install-recommends' part? do i need to do anything to get rid of that?
[23:38] <krytarik> kinghat: "sudo apt autoremove" should get rid of those.
[23:40] <kinghat> that removed 0 packages
[23:42] <krytarik> It'll only remove packages that aren't depended on by any packages anymore.
[23:44] <kinghat> well i removed that package but i also have materia installed via the 'look and feel' section of the settings and cant figure out how to remove that.


[01:08] <Wizard> i just wanted to mention that my girlfriend installed kubuntu and told me it was shit
[01:09] <Wizard> and i still remeber whe she told me: no beryl, no sex
[01:09] <Wizard> i've never googled so much
[01:09] <TheSheep> !language | Wizard
[01:09] <ubotu> Wizard: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:10] <TheSheep> guys, Pumpernickel is right, better move to #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:10] <Wizard> as you wish master
[01:10] <s-x-u> im in xubuntu-oftopic dont hurt people
[01:11] <s-x-u> it is not bizzy at this moment but maybe someone read the logs and waste time with reading less relevant things
[01:23] <sebas_> Hi
[01:24] <sebas_> I've installed Xubuntu but the network card is not configured, I think that the drivers are not installed
[01:24] <sebas_> Is it possible to install the drivers from the installation CD after doing the main install?
[01:24] <Pumpernickel> What model is it?
[01:24] <sebas_> I'm not sure, it's an old ISA card
[01:25] <sebas_> but the point is how do I install drivers?
[01:25] <Pumpernickel> The drivers should be installed, but the interface may not be configured correctly.
[01:26] <Pumpernickel> Could you pastebin the output of `ifconfig`?
[01:26] <Pumpernickel> !paste
[01:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:26] <thingy> sudo ifconfig would be better
[01:27] <sebas_> well, actually I'm not using that pc.. I installed it on an old machine for my grandfather
[01:27] <sebas_> If the problem is that the interface is not configured correctly, what can I do?
[01:30] <Pumpernickel> Depends on how it's configured.  It may simply not have been activated, or it could be something more complicated.
[01:32] <TheSheep> I think that isa cards are not autodetected?
[01:33] <sebas_> Pumpernickel: I remember I did # ifconfig eth0 up
[01:33] <sebas_> but it wasn't configured
[01:33] <sebas_> Well, I'll try to fix it another day when I'm there..
[01:33] <Pumpernickel> TheSheep: Could be.
[01:33] <sebas_> or try to get a PCI NIC
[05:47] <thyrax> have a problem
[05:48] <thyrax> when i try to open firefox it says window already open
[05:48] <thyrax> anyone know how to get to the window it's not showing up
[05:51] <thyrax> anyone know how to uninstall firefox?
[06:40] <Ed933> Hello
[06:41] <Jester45> hi
[06:41] <Ed933> Is it possible to create a new menu shortcut
[06:41] <Jester45> yes
[06:42] <Ed933> how?
[06:42] <Jester45> open mousepad
[06:42] <Ed933> yes?
[06:43] <Jester45> is english your only language
[06:43] <Ed933> yes
[06:43] <Jester45> copy [Desktop Entry]
[06:43] <Jester45> Encoding=UTF-8
[06:43] <Jester45> Name=entrynamehere
[06:43] <Jester45> so you have 3 lines
[06:43] <Jester45> then copy
[06:44] <Jester45> Exec=command
[06:44] <Jester45> Terminal=false if its a gui app
[06:44] <Jester45> Type=
[06:44] <Ed933> ok
[06:44] <Jester45> Icon=
[06:45] <Jester45> and Categories=
[06:45] <Ed933> what is type
[06:45] <Jester45> Application
[06:45] <Ed933> oh
[06:45] <Ed933> so
[06:45] <Jester45> thats the type
[06:45] <Ed933> say I want to put in
[06:46] <Ed933> a program named 'A' which is graphical
[06:46] <Ed933> I have to type in
[06:46] <Ed933> [Desktop Entry]
[06:46] <Ed933> Encodinf=UTF-8
[06:46] <Ed933> *Encoding
[06:46] <Ed933> Name=A
[06:46] <Ed933> Exec=A
[06:46] <Ed933> Terminal=false
[06:47] <Ed933> Type=Application
[06:47] <Jester45> and for Categories
[06:47] <Ed933> Games
[06:47] <Ed933> so
[06:47] <Ed933> do I need to save it
[06:47] <Ed933> Somewhere
[06:47] <Jester45> you say you want it in Menu -> games you would put it as Categories=Application;Games;
[06:48] <Ed933> oh
[06:48] <Jester45> and save it in /usr/share/applications
[06:48] <Jester45> o
[06:48] <Ed933> ok
[06:48] <Jester45> nevermind
[06:48] <Ed933> tyvm
[06:48] <Jester45> save anywhere or open a root mousepad and copy it there
[06:48] <Jester45> you need root power to save there
[06:49] <Ed933> ok
[06:49] <Ed933> so I gotta go into terminal and type in gksudo mousepad
[06:49] <Ed933> Yeah, I new at this stuff, still learning
[06:49] <Ed933> :D
[06:49] <Jester45> yes no copy/paste it all
[06:49] <Jester45> now*
[06:50] <Jester45> the only place you can save stuff by defualt without root powers is at /home/user/
[06:50] <Jester45> (or ~/ in a terminal for a shortcut)
[06:50] <Ed933> so ur home directory
[06:50] <Jester45> yes
[06:50] <Ed933> when I type in gksudo mousepad
[06:51] <Ed933> it asks me 4 my password
[06:51] <Ed933> I type it in
[06:51] <Ed933> and nothing happens
[06:51] <Jester45> a mousepad doesnt open?
[06:51] <Ed933> yeah
[06:51] <Jester45> did you type mousepad right?
[06:51] <Jester45> what did the temrinal say
[06:51] <Ed933> it just sat there
[06:52] <Jester45> well
[06:52] <Ed933> edward@linux:~$ gksudo mousepad
[06:52] <Ed933> GNOME_SUDO_PASS****
[06:52] <Ed933> and that's it
[06:52] <Jester45> click on the temrinal and press ctrl+C
[06:52] <Ed933> yep
[06:52] <Jester45> and try it with sudo
[06:53] <Ed933> yeah, that better
[06:53] <Jester45> and if THAT doesnt work save the first mousepad to your desktop as test and run sudo mv ~/Desktop/test /usr/share/applications/A.desktop
[06:54] <Jester45> ok copy/paste to root mousepad and save in /usr/share/applications/ and save as A.desktop
[06:54] <Jester45> replacing A with the real name
[06:55] <Jester45> wait a little bit and it should show in the menu
[06:56] <Ed933> Whoa nice
[06:56] <Ed933> thnx heaps
[06:56] <Ed933> :D
[06:57] <Jester45> hehe and i just learned it myself now :)
[07:01] <Ed933> :D
[07:01] <Ed933> where r all the icons stored
[07:01] <Ed933> I cant find them anywhere
[07:02] <Jester45> i think usr/share/pixmaps
[07:02] <Jester45> yep
[07:09] <kalikiana> Ed933, Incidentally 'pixmaps' is deprecated, recent packages store icons in 'icons/hicolor'
[07:09] <Ed933> icons/hicolor
[07:14] <Ed933> thnx
[08:07] <Ben_Cs> hello
[08:07] <kalikiana> hello
[08:07] <Ben_Cs> sup?
[08:11] <kalikiana> I'm sorry, sup is one of the weird irc tokens I never got used to. What does it mean?
[08:12] <Ben_Cs> something weird: when installed xubuntu, the volu,e control (mixer) didn't show any controlls. then when i run vlc, the mixer recognized the soundcard, but the volume controlls like PCM when changed (volume), it didn't show from desktop view. only after restart the mixer volume and volume changed from desktop view were bound...
[08:12] <Ben_Cs> sup = what's up, in short
[08:13] <kalikiana> Ah, what'_sup_, thx.
[08:14] <Ben_Cs> talking about irc tokens: what dows "lmao" mean?
[08:15] <Ben_Cs> never mind. googled it
[08:16] <Ben_Cs> lmao = laugh my ass off
[08:16] <Ben_Cs> like lol
[08:17] <kalikiana> Yep, except that it makes me think of cats until I realize it's that token. :P
[08:18] <Ben_Cs> yes. a type of miyau
[08:18] <Ben_Cs> :)
[08:33] <Ben_Cs> where do i put an icon theme? ~/.themes or ~/.icons or where?
[08:38] <Ben_Cs> never mind. found it. ~/.icons it is
[09:29] <dsmith_> hi
[09:29] <dsmith_> in trying to log into a xfce session
[09:29] <dsmith_> it says I have ben loged in less then 10 seconds
[09:29] <dsmith_> then kicks me out
[11:47] <m0u5e> i hope they'll build a instant search feature into thunar -_-;
[11:47] <m0u5e> it'll be so much easier to sort through my documents in a large folder that way...
[11:48] <predaeus> m0u5e, as far as I know thunar has the instant search feature.
[11:59] <kalikiana_> m0u5e, Just type a few letters and Thunar will try to find the first file beginning with those letters.
[12:00] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: for some reason its not working ;_;
[12:01] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: ohh wait, thats not what im talking about
[12:01] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: i mean like a search filter, where i type in letters (like in firefox) and it will instantly start mataching up files with those strings
[12:01] <m0u5e> kalikiana_: in the folder, ... it makes it easier fo rme to move like a bunch of files with "1881052" at the beginning, to a folder
[12:02] <kalikiana_> That's exactly what it does. Otherwise yu are explaining it very wrong. :/
[12:28] <xor> thunar does need a proper search though
[12:28] <xor> it only searches at the beginning of the filename
[12:48] <TheSheep> xor: use meta tracker
[01:06] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: hiho
[01:08] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: hi
[01:09] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how are you?
[01:09] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sleepy
[01:09] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: yeah, it's early morning
[01:09] <TheSheep> ...
[01:10] <hyper_ch> ;)
[01:10] <TheSheep> . . .
[01:11] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what you're up to?
[01:12] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: learning django at the moment
[01:12] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: django?
[01:12] <TheSheep> http://www.djangoproject.com
[01:13] <hyper_ch> not the music instrument then ;)
[01:13] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, jazz musician
[01:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: Django Reinhardt
[01:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: dunno him ;)
[01:15] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: he was good
[01:15] <hyper_ch> dunno jazz at all
[01:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: each one his own taste in music
[01:17] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: if you wanna see mine, let me know :)
[01:17] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's good to have some basic understanding of one's own cultural heritage
[01:18] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sure always eager to learn :)
[01:18] <hyper_ch> i've always been special regarding my taste of music ;)
[01:18] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: everyone is special
[01:19] <hyper_ch> I've never much bothered for lyrics in music... more whether I like how it sounds
[01:45] <wlfwhiterabbit> hi! plese, where should i click in order to set my lan card settings?
[01:45] <wlfwhiterabbit> please*
[01:45] <hyper_ch> wlfwhiterabbit: Applications --> System --> Networking
[01:48] <wlfwhiterabbit> hyper_ch: yes, but my problem is that when i booted the pc wasnt linked to the router, and after having realized the link, in app-sys-net i couldn manage anything to say to my lan card "search the router and connect to it"
[01:48] <hyper_ch> wlfwhiterabbit: ????
[01:50] <wlfwhiterabbit> hyper_ch: sorry... doesn't matter (now i'm chatting because it's all right, but i had to reset in order to make it work)
[04:13] <foxray> i hear its possible to convert from ubuntu to xubuntu but is it possible to keep the gnome ubuntu as well?
[04:16] <Pumpernickel> That's the easiest way to do it, actually.  Getting rid of the Gnome parts is harder.
[04:16] <Pumpernickel> Install the 'xubuntu-desktop' package, and you'll have everything that makes Xubuntu what it is.
[04:16] <foxray> wasn't the whole reason of xubuntu
[04:16] <foxray> to get rid of the gnome dependencies?
[04:17] <foxray> i kinda have a low end computer a P3 700mhz and original ubuntu runs kinda sluggish on it
[04:17] <Pumpernickel> Within itself, yes.  But you can still install anything from Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, et al inside it.
[04:18] <Pumpernickel> The packages don't conflict (much).
[04:18] <foxray> no use to debian just yet, i'm a rhel admin for a living
[04:18] <foxray> so debian is unfamiliar territory
[05:07] <yotux> does anyone know howto change usplash settings
[05:08] <Pumpernickel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[05:09] <yotux> Pumpernickel: Thank you have install xubuntu and splash res to out of my lcds spec range
[05:48] <illu45> Hello, could someone here help with a gcc-config/c compiler problem on gutsy?
[05:49] <thingy> illu45: What's the issue?
[05:51] <illu45> Well, I'm trying to get sound to work on my T61, following the steps here, as the easy fix didn't work: http://tinyurl.com/36khy7, and when I try to configure the patched alsa, it says: C compiler cannot create executables. When I run gcc-config, it says command not found.
[05:53] <thingy> illu45: Have you installed the build-essentials package?
[05:53] <illu45> hm, not sure.
[05:54] <illu45> Er, I can't seem to find it in the repos.
[05:54] <Pumpernickel> !info build-essential
[05:54] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[05:54] <Pumpernickel> ...voila.
[05:55] <thingy> oops..my mistake. there was no s at the end...correct pkg name is build-essential
[05:55] <illu45> ah, ok
[05:55] <illu45> Nope, don't have it yet. Will give that a try :)
[05:56] <Jester45> when did tribe 5 get released
[05:57] <illu45> Hm..a few days ago, I think
[05:58] <Pumpernickel> Sometime about the 23rd, I think.
[05:59] <thingy> illu45: To give you a more accurate idea of whats involved in compiling alsa drivers from tar balls, look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[05:59] <thingy> illu45: it says you will also need the ncurses-dev gettext and linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:00] <illu45> thingy, ah, all right, will take a look at it. That seems to have solved the C compiler problem, though, so thanks for the help :)
[06:00] <illu45> Hm... it seemed to get through the configure without any problems. Will install those if it fails to make, though
[06:04] <ricky90> how can I disable the "desktop zoom"???? I haven't compiz fusion, only ubuntu server + xfce
[06:05] <ricky90> please
[06:13] <thingy> ricky90: how do you do this zoom feature? ctrl + alt + + ?
[06:14] <ricky90> nothing :(
[06:14] <thingy> eh?
[06:14] <thingy> how do you activate this desktop zoom features?
[06:15] <ricky90> I haven't activated nothing
[06:15] <thingy> what keys are pressed or mouse actions done?
[06:15] <ricky90> I have only installed xfce on ubuntu-server
[06:16] <ricky90> the max resolution on my ibook 12 inch is only 1024 x 768
[06:16] <thingy> ricky90: ok is your monitor operating at some low resolution like 800x600 and you want it to be higher like 1024x768 etc? is that what you mean by desktop zoom?
[06:16] <ricky90> no no
[06:16] <thingy> ok i give up then
[06:16] <thingy> i dont know wha tyou mean
[06:16] <ricky90> The desktop is zoomed
[06:16] <ricky90> and when I go to the margin with the mouse
[06:17] <ricky90> the screen moves with the mouse
[06:17] <ricky90> sorry for my english
[06:17] <thingy> ricky90: The problem is that your Virtual desktop value is > then the screen res. to fix it you need to modify the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[06:18] <thingy> ricky90: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and tell us what your screen resolution is
[06:19] <ricky90> then: I set 800x600 there isn't this effect. But the max resolution on Mac OSX is 1024x768
[06:19] <ricky90> I want to use that resolution...
[06:20] <thingy> ricky90: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and pastebin /var/log/X*.log (i forget what its actually called)
[06:22] <laserbeak43> whats git?
[06:23] <thingy> linus's source code management system
[06:23] <thingy> is also a rude word in the uk
[06:23] <laserbeak43> oh
[06:23] <laserbeak43> yeah it's what we used to call annoying kids in miami
[06:25] <illu45> thingy, do you by any chance know how to install the gnome sound manager in xubuntu?
[06:26] <thingy> illu45: no. Haven't done that. That would definitely bring in a lot of gnome dependancies though. How come you want to install it?
[06:26] <ricky90> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35130/
[06:27] <illu45> Yes, I was afraid that it would. Well, the howto I'm following uses it, and I can't seem to find an equivalent for a "switches" tab in the xfce sound manager
[06:27] <illu45> howto link, if you want to see it: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=159516&page=1&pp=15
[06:28] <thingy> illu45: you can use alsamixer to do the same thing
[06:29] <thingy> illu45: use left right arrow keys in alsamixer to move between the settings and use the m key to mute/unmute or the up down arrow keys to increase decrease volume
[06:29] <thingy> illu45: or you can use amixer and specify params to it do the same thing
[06:29] <thingy> illu45: youll have to man amixer to find out the params since i dont recall them off hand
[06:29] <illu45> thingy, ah, all right. I'll take a look at that, thanks.
[06:30] <thingy> illu45: alsamixer might be in the alsa-utils package in case you get a command not found
[06:30] <thingy> ricky90: whats the model of the mac you have?
[06:30] <illu45> Ah. No, I can launch alsamixer without any trouble, but I only see a Master and PCM slider, which are both unmuted and set to 100.
[06:31] <ricky90> ibook G4 12 inch
[06:31] <thingy> illu45: have you modifed the modprobe.conf file and added the options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad bit? since that bit my specify some more mixers
[06:31] <thingy> you will need to unload and reload the modules
[06:32] <illu45> Hm. I added that line in, yes. But I don't think I reloaded the module.
[06:33] <illu45> Should a system reboot do it?
[06:33] <thingy> yep
[06:34] <illu45> ah, ok
[06:35] <ricky90> thingy, if I do a xorg-reconfigure it's the same thing?
[06:36] <thingy> ricky90: I was looking at your xorg.conf file and its ok...your using the fb driver and the log reports that 1024x768 is a supported mode
[06:37] <thingy> ricky90: but it then says that the mode isn't a default mode...i suspect its the HorizSync	28-51
[06:37] <thingy> 	VertRefresh	43-60 lines which may be stopping X from setting the mode to 1024x768
[06:38] <thingy> ricky90: can you comment out lines 104 and 105 in the pastebin which are in your xorg.conf file and reboot the box
[06:38] <ricky90> ok I do it and shoutdown. Thanks a lot for your support
[06:39] <ricky90> I have a enormeus headache
[06:39] <illu45> thingy, hm, I've added the line (and rebooted now), but I still have no sound and only two sliders in alsamixer. I'm guessing that I messed up the patch?
[06:41] <Ben_Cs> hello
[06:41] <Ben_Cs> well. back to good-old xubuntu
[06:41] <thingy> illu45: have you tested sound? by playing an mp3 etc?
[06:41] <thingy> swap/an/a
[06:42] <illu45> thingy, yep. I tried both the movie and the soundbite that come as examples with the install.
[06:46] <thingy> illu45: does the blurb here match what you did? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_(Feisty_Fawn)_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#ALSA_driver_update_.28hard_fix.2C_recommended_for_advanced_users.29
[06:46] <illu45> thingy, yep
[06:47] <thingy> illu45: specifically, "When doing "cp ../patch_analog.c alsa-driver-1.0.14/alsa-kernel/pci/hda/" use "cp ../patch_analog.c alsa-kernel/pci/hda/" instead Also, when you get to the part about modifying the modprobe.conf file, it doesn't exist in ubuntu. Adding "options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad" to any file (even one you make yourself) inside etc/modprobe.d should work. I personally added it to the options file, and it works fine."
[06:48] <illu45> Yes, I figured they made a typo in the cp command. Although I'm not sure about the file modification
[06:49] <illu45> I just used "gksudo mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" and appeneded that line to the end of the file
[06:50] <thingy> illu45: try this: sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel; sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad
[06:50] <thingy> illu45: does that produce a change in the mixers shown in alsamixer?
[06:51] <illu45> thingy, it says "ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use"
[06:52] <thingy> illu45: hmm are you playing anything or is there a sound server running?
[06:53] <illu45> thingy, hm... Not playing anything, no. Not sure about the sound server, though
[06:54] <illu45> the xfce4-mixer-plugin is running... Trying to kill it now.
[06:55] <illu45> ah, ok
[06:55] <illu45> Hm. The command runs fine now, but no change in alsamixer, no
[06:56] <thingy> illu45: I read a bit more of that fedora forums post. Did you install all the patches to the alsa tarball? It actually recommends to just get the cvs version of alsa since it has everything already in it
[06:57] <illu45> Hm, I think I only got the patch_analog.c patch... I was looking for the cvs version of alsa, but couldn't seem to find it.
[06:58] <thingy> illu45: there are three patches: Fix Oops with AD1984 thinkpad model
[06:58] <thingy> Fix AD1984 basic model
[06:58] <thingy> Fix Thinkpad X61/T61 outputs
[06:58] <illu45> would the "rsync -avz --delete --exclude=.hg* rsync://alsa.alsa-project.org/hg [your_directory]  " command work?
[06:58] <thingy> illu45: lemme see if there is already any instructions on compiling cvs alsa in ubuntu
[06:59] <illu45> Ah, all right, thanks
[06:59] <thingy> illu45: here this looks good: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3210562
[07:00] <thingy> illu45: see the post by socrates.wei
[07:00] <illu45> Hm, ok. Looking at it now
[07:02] <illu45> Hm, on the alsa-project.org link that he specifies, the download link says "This is the link to the main ALSA drivers, not the CVS versions.", is that all right?
[07:05] <thingy> illu45: The instructions are what need to be followed to get the cvs version. the link indeed only points to the releases
[07:06] <Ben_Cs> is there a linux alternative to soulseek?
[07:06] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: what's soulseek?
[07:06] <illu45> Ben_Cs, try http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/
[07:07] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[07:07] <illu45> thingy, ah, all right. So the I can use the link to get the release, and then follow the instructions to sync with the cvs version?
[07:10] <thingy> illu45: umm you could just run the rsync commands instead since otherwise if the release and cvs folder structure don't match it will re-download things again anyway
[07:11] <illu45> thingy, ah, ok
[07:14] <illu45> So, once I've done the rsync, I should just go into my alsa dir and run ./configure, etc, or will I have to go into all of the components' dirs and run ./configure etc. in each one?
[07:16] <illu45> Or, rather. Should I run ./configure etc. in just the alsa-driver dir, or in all of the components?
[07:16] <thingy> just in the alsa-driver dir
[07:17] <illu45> ah, ok
[07:18] <Ben_Cs> illu45: nice soulseek client
[07:18] <illu45> Erm, it seems there's no configure file in the alsa-driver dir
[07:19] <thingy> illu45: "Run the autoconf command to create the configure script"
[07:19] <illu45> Ben_Cs, ah, I haven't used it much. Don't use soulseek often.
[07:19] <illu45> thingy, ah, oops. Thanks :)
[07:24] <illu45> thingy, hm, sorry, one more thing. When I run ./configure --help, I don't see any --with-cards options. This is the output I get: http://pastebin.com/d3c6344d7
[07:26] <thingy> illu45: did you have to install automake/autoconf and libtool?
[07:27] <illu45> thingy, yes, I installed automake/autoconf manually. Installing libtool now as well.
[07:28] <thingy> it could be a typo i think...since they are asking to do a configure --help and the next line is asking to do a cvscompile --with-cards=emu10k1,usb-audio so...what does the output of cvscompile --help produce?
[07:28] <thingy> if it starts compiling then ofcourse ctrl-c it :-)
[07:29] <illu45> all right, will try :)
[07:30] <illu45> thingy, ah, ok, that gives me a --with-cards list. Not sure which one to pick, though.
[07:31] <thingy> illu45: pastebin the list
[07:31] <illu45> thingy, http://pastebin.com/d4f3bef35
[07:32] <thingy> illu45: you need hda-intel i think
[07:32] <illu45> ah, ok. Will try that
[07:32] <Ben_Cs> gxine crashes after i click close after config wizard. part of error code: The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. any ideas?
[07:33] <thingy> illu45: for the options, just enable all options
[07:36] <illu45> thingy, well, it seems to have compiled and installed fine.
[07:37] <illu45> Ben_Cs, I've never had much luck with gxine, sorry.
[07:38] <Ben_Cs> ok
[07:38] <illu45> thingy, I'll try a reboot and see what happens :).
[07:38] <thingy> Ben_Cs: gxine is buggy. Use the xine-ui package instead
[07:39] <thingy> !info xine-ui
[07:39] <ubotu> xine-ui: the xine video player, user interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4+dfsg+cvs20061111-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1483 kB, installed size 3532 kB
[07:41] <Jester45> xine sucks use vlc or mplayer
[07:42] <illu45> thingy, hm... still no sound, and I can't seem to open alsamixer. Gives this error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[07:43] <thingy> illu45: pastebin the output of lsmod, sounds like the modules didn't load
[07:45] <thingy> argh...where did I put my xubuntu cd...blast!
[07:45] <illu45> thingy, lsmod pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d5939cb5
[07:47] <thingy> illu45: yep it hasn't loaded your sound card module...it shouldve been snd-hda-intel i think
[07:47] <thingy> illu45: can you check /lib/modules/blah to see if snd-hda* exists somewhere in that tree
[07:47] <illu45> sure
[07:47] <thingy> illu45: find /lib/modules -iname "snd-*" for example
[07:48] <illu45> thingy, output: http://pastebin.com/d705318f5
[07:48] <illu45> seems to exist
[07:48] <thingy> hmm there it is: /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel
[07:49] <thingy> so what happens when you do a modprobe snd-hda-intel options suff here thinkpad somethign somethign
[07:50] <illu45> you mean "options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad" ?
[07:50] <illu45> in modprobe.d?
[07:50] <thingy> yep that
[07:50] <thingy> so do a modprobe snd-hda-instal index=0 model=thinkpad
[07:51] <illu45> Hm... "FATAL: Module snd_hda_instal not found"
[07:52] <thingy> illu45: is there a update-modules or modules-update command in ubuntu? im rebuilding my box and so i dont have access to an installation at the mo.
[07:52] <thingy> or you could do a depmod -a i think
[07:52] <thingy> but do a update-modules if it exists
[07:53] <illu45> Er, did you mean dong "modprobe snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad" ?
[07:53] <thingy> yes
[07:53] <thingy> but if its says snd_hda_install not found it could mean that modules depedancies are outta whack
[07:53] <illu45> Ah, all right. That gives a different error: "FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)"
[07:54] <illu45> update-modules gives no errors
[07:54] <thingy> after doing the update-modules
[07:54] <thingy> do a depmod -a as well
[07:54] <thingy> and then retry the modprobe command
[07:54] <thingy> same thing?
[07:54] <illu45> no errors for depmod -a
[07:57] <thingy> illu45: well?
[07:58] <illu45> ah, sorry, yes, same error
[07:58] <illu45> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad
[07:58] <illu45> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[07:58] <Ben_Cs> how do i search for a file in xfce?
[07:59] <thingy> illu45: can you remove the parameters in both the modules.conf file in /etc and from the cli when you type in the modprobe command
[07:59] <thingy> illu45: basically am trying to determine if the paramaters we're specifying is whats causing the message or is it a missing symbol
[08:00] <illu45> ah, so just do a sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel (and remove the other two parameters in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file as well?)
[08:00] <thingy> illu45: yes
[08:01] <cheeseboy> hi dhcliassigns me an ip but i still have no internet what do i do?
[08:01] <thingy> illu45: after removing the stuff in alsa-base(just comment it out) also do a update-modules and depmod -a
[08:01] <thingy> cheeseboy: can you ping your gateway?
[08:02] <ricky90> thingy, now I have started the pc and it's all ok. Thanks. You're a genie
[08:02] <thingy> ricky90: heh
[08:02] <ricky90> really!
[08:02] <ricky90> :D
[08:03] <illu45> thingy, still gives me the same error: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[08:03] <illu45> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[08:03] <illu45> illusha@illusha-la
[08:04] <thingy> illu45: anything interesting in dmesg?
[08:06] <illu45> thingy, long output. I don't see much, but here's a pastebin of the end: http://pastebin.com/d5ce2c1db
[08:07] <cheeseboy> thingy no says operation not permitted
[08:07] <illu45> cheeseboy, try running it as root
[08:07] <illu45> or use sudo
[08:07] <cheeseboy> illu45: same thing
[08:08] <illu45> o.O
[08:08] <illu45> cheeseboy, what are you trying to do, exactly?
[08:08] <thingy> cheeseboy: pastebin output of ifconfig
[08:08] <cheeseboy> ping sendmsg: operation not permitted
[08:08] <cheeseboy> thingy i cant with no net
[08:09] <thingy> illu45: there's messages of module version mismatches and so can you confirm you did do all the steps in the alsa cvs guide?
[08:09] <cheeseboy> illu45 use the internet ..
[08:10] <thingy> cheeseboy: if dhcpclient is giving you an ip then the network card is talking tcpip fine...so i need to know what ethernet devices you have got there...in the output of ifconfig, does it show anything apart from eth0 and lo ? what is the ip of eth0
[08:10] <illu45> thingy, doh, it seems I forgot to compile alsa-utils and alsa-lib. Sorry about that
[08:11] <cheeseboy> thingy theres eth0  which i dont use lo and ra0 the one i use
[08:11] <cheeseboy> but i got same problem when i tried eth0
[08:11] <thingy> illu45: gah!! youre jus tlike me...always in a hurry and not reading things through. that way is harder I assure you
[08:12] <illu45> thingy, hehe, so I'm learning :D. Again, appologies.
[08:12] <thingy> cheeseboy: ok. so ra0 = wireless?
[08:12] <cheeseboy> thingy yes but i know its not wireless' fault
[08:13] <thingy> cheeseboy: heh. are you sure? cos thats the normal symptoms when your encryption doesn't match..you get an ip but no traffic
[08:13] <cheeseboy> thingy yes i got same errors with mode,m plugged directly into eth0
[08:14] <thingy> cheeseboy: you need to enable the logging features of the wlan tools and look at what its saying when it setups the wlan...
[08:14] <thingy> oh
[08:14] <thingy> cheeseboy: modem? in eth0?
[08:14] <cheeseboy> yes
[08:14] <thingy> cheeseboy: dsl modem or a analog modem?
[08:14] <thingy> swap/a/an
[08:14] <cheeseboy> i plugged modem directly into eth0
[08:14] <illu45> hm... seems I'm getting some python errors in configuring alsa-lib
[08:14] <cheeseboy> cable modem
[08:15] <thingy> illu45: patebin
[08:15] <thingy> pastebin even
[08:15] <illu45> thingy, just a moment
[08:15] <thingy> cheeseboy: in that case does your cable modem have any mac filtering ability? if so, is your computer network card + wireless card mac addresses added to the mac filter on the cable modem?
[08:16] <pilibeen> hi, i'm having a problem connecting to my unsecured wireless network. I can only connect to it when it's secured...is this a common bug?
[08:16] <cheeseboy> thingy no has nothing special like that
[08:16] <cheeseboy> something is broken in xubuntu
[08:17] <thingy> pilibeen: you really shouldnt be keeping the wireless unsecured. tempts people to abuse it
[08:17] <thingy> cheeseboy: ok ignore getting the wireless to start working, concentrate on the wired connectin first since it will be easier to debug. can you hook it up righ tnow
[08:17] <pilibeen> thingy: yeah i know...but sometimes i go to other houses and cant connect b/c theyre unsecured. it would be nice to be able to connect to open networks
[08:18] <cheeseboy> thingy no because i couldnt talk on irc then
[08:18] <illu45> thingy, too many errors, I just grabbed the tail: http://pastebin.com/d4af4d8a5
[08:19] <thingy> illu45: cant diag with that...need more of the output
[08:20] <illu45> thingy, all right, I think these are all the errors: http://pastebin.com/d6c6b198c
[08:21] <thingy> illu45: python.c:26:27: error: python/Python.h: No such file or directory <-- i think it wants the dev files for pything
[08:21] <thingy> python
[08:22] <illu45> hm, I got the python-dev files, but socrates.wei seems to have a solution
[08:22] <illu45> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3210562
[08:22] <thingy> illu45: hmm so he does
[08:23] <cheeseboy> tingy any ideas?
[08:23] <thingy> cheeseboy: if you are stuck getting wireless to work, you are going to need to provide pastebins of the debug output so that people can see whats going on...ensure youve setup a crappy wireless psk as well
[08:23] <illu45> thingy, hm, all right... That seemed to have worked :)
[08:23] <cheeseboy> i know the wireless is fine
[08:24] <thingy> cheeseboy: how?
[08:24] <thingy> cheeseboy: just trying to understand what is and can be ruled out
[08:25] <cheeseboy> ive used it before
[08:26] <thingy> cheeseboy: ok...whats changed since then...have you done a dist upgrade, any new software installed? updates?
[08:26] <cheeseboy> yes
[08:26] <thingy> to which part?
[08:26] <cheeseboy> and had power failure diuring it
[08:26] <thingy> ugh
[08:26] <cheeseboy> all of the above
[08:27] <illu45> thingy, hm... more ./cvsconfig errors, now in alsa-utils :(. Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d496c8280
[08:27] <thingy> to your recollection when was the last time it worked and what happened in between it working nad not working
[08:27] <cheeseboy> me?
[08:28] <thingy> cheeseboy: yes sorry
[08:28] <thingy> illu45: apt-get install gettext
[08:29] <illu45> thingy, ah
[08:29] <Jester45> illu45, thingy said that was a needed dependicy
[08:29] <cheeseboy> thingy it was working during apt-get upgrade but pc shut off during it then it didnt work again
[08:31] <thingy> cheeseboy: ack. a situ. like that will be difficult to resolve. your box could be hosed until you do a apt-get upgrade again somehow(i know without a network connection this will be impossible?)
[08:31] <illu45> Jester45, ah, yes. Found that bit now. Will install all the dependencies it lists
[08:31] <cheeseboy> not impoosible but pain in the arse
[08:32] <cheeseboy> need to download all the debs manually :(
[08:32] <Jester45> you can download files from a diffrentmachine or a livecd and then copy them to apt's archive then it will not look for the files oneline
[08:32] <thingy> cheeseboy: hmm lets see if googling helps in this case..what are symptoms...you cannot ping anything right? get a operation not permitted
[08:32] <Jester45> online*
[08:33] <cheeseboy> thingy only operation not permitted for router
[08:33] <cheeseboy> for like google.com nov such host
[08:33] <cheeseboy> no*
[08:34] <thingy> cheeseboy: if you do an ifconfig, can you paste on a line what it shows the ip, broadcast and gw values as? also do you have a /etc/resolv.conf file?
[08:34] <illu45> thingy, all right, I've followed the AlsaCVS instructions properly now. Will reboot and see what happens
[08:34] <thingy> illu45: are you sure you read everything ? :-)
[08:36] <illu45> thingy, yep... I'm not sure, though. Should I recompile alsa-driver now that I have the other bits done? It does say to do the alsa-driver before the -utils and -lib, though, so the order I did it in should be correct.
[08:36] <cheeseboy> thingy in /etc/resov.conf it says nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:37] <thingy> illu45: ok reboot and see if works
[08:37] <illu45> thingy, all right
[08:37] <cheeseboy> resolv*
[08:37] <thingy> cheeseboy: and thats your router, so if you ping it you get operationg not permitted. btw, do you have a firewall on that box?
[08:38] <cheeseboy> yes yes and nope
[08:39] <thingy> cheeseboy: does this apply to you: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/net/9805.2/0046.html
[08:41] <cheeseboy> thingy yes i got that error doin traceroute
[08:42] <illu45> thingy, hm... still no sound. Getting the same error for sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel: FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[08:43] <illu45> running "alsamixer" outputs "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
[08:44] <thingy> illu45: after compiling the alsa-driver did you do a make install?
[08:45] <cheeseboy> thingy http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=345251 are my errors but he says it was iptables
[08:46] <illu45> Yes, I believe so. That was before I installed alsa-utils and alsa-lib, though.
[08:46] <thingy> cheeseboy: I saw that as well but you say you dont have a firewall on your box
[08:46] <thingy> illu45: Your steps to compile the driver should have been: cd alsa-driver;autoconf; ./cvscompile --with-cards=intel_hda; sudo make install
[08:47] <cheeseboy> thingy i do have iptables but i nvr tried using it
[08:47] <thingy> illu45: can you confirm that this is correct...specifically can you confirm that you specified --with-cards=intel_hda
[08:47] <illu45> thingy, yes, that's correct
[08:49] <thingy> illu45: can you please rm the snd-hda-intel.ko module in /lib/modules and redo these commands...and tell me if the snd-hda-intel.ko module re-appears. cd alsa-driver;autoconf; ./cvscompile --with-cards=intel_hda; sudo make install
[08:49] <cheeseboy> thingy what should my iptables look like?
[08:49] <thingy> cheeseboy: what when you list the rules?
[08:50] <cheeseboy> yesa
[08:50] <cheeseboy> if i do iptables -L
[08:51] <illu45> thingy, the snd-hda-intel.ko module is located in "/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko". Should I rm just the file, or the whole dir?
[08:51] <thingy> cheeseboy: umm i don't know...i think iptables blocks by default and so if no rules it could be that it block everything
[08:51] <cheeseboy> @ thingy
[08:52] <thingy> illu45: just the module please..
[08:52] <illu45> thingy, all right
[08:52] <cheeseboy> ya i have no rules thingy
[08:52] <cheeseboy> i think @ least
[08:52] <thingy> cheeseboy: lemme find out what it means to have to no rules in iptables
[08:53] <cheeseboy> like if i did iptables -F
[08:53] <thingy> cheeseboy: well this links says by default it allows everything: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-31663.html
[08:55] <illu45> thingy, I've deleted the file and re-run the ./cvscompile and make install. Here is the new output for "find /lib/modules -iname "snd-*"": http://pastebin.com/d3f536c2b
[08:55] <thingy> cheeseboy: are you sure the wireless is working fine? can you atleast enable the debug logs and look through to see if it associates successfully
[08:56] <thingy> illu45: ack!!
[08:56] <thingy> illu45: whats this: /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel entry?
[08:57] <cheeseboy> thingy yes it get the essid name routers mac assigned an ip 80/100 link quality etc
[08:57] <thingy> cheeseboy: um from you current box, can you ping the ip assigned to the wireless box?
[08:57] <illu45> Just the folder, I believe. You'd said to only rm the file
[08:57] <thingy> illu45: can you try a update-modules and depmod -a again and then modprobe the driver now
[08:58] <illu45> thingy, sure
[08:58] <cheeseboy> thingy just incase how i tell iptables to acept anything?
[08:59] <cheeseboy> cause i see no accept
[08:59] <cheeseboy> only drop
[09:00] <illu45> thingy, running "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" now returns no errors (or anything else, for that matter).
[09:01] <illu45> thingy, ah, there we go. alsamixer works now, and after enabling the speaker, I get sound :)
[09:01] <thingy> cheeseboy: I don't know..I've tried googling just now and the closest I got is this: iptables -A INPUT -i ra0 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A OUTPUT -o ra0 -j ACCEPT
[09:01] <thingy> illu45: YAY!!!
[09:02] <illu45> thingy, thanks so much for your help! Again, I appologize for my rashness
[09:02] <thingy> illu45: sure
[09:03] <thingy> illu45: put the options line back in alsa-base btw
[09:03] <thingy> and ensure it still works after doing a reboot
[09:03] <illu45> thingy, all right
[09:04] <illu45> should I do another update-modules; depmod -a; modprobe blah blah after adding the option back in?
[09:05] <thingy> yep since im pretty sure that the update-modules script merges in all the various module options and the depmod -a simply builds up the dependancy cache for the modules
[09:05] <thingy> so running them wont hurt and should produce no errors
[09:06] <illu45> Ah, all right :)
[09:07] <cheeseboy> thingy will you pastebin your iptables?
[09:07] <illu45> thingy, what does modprobe do, exactly?
[09:07] <thingy> cheeseboy: I don't have a working box right now...in fact am at the disk partitioning screen of the xubutu alternate installer...trying to make up my mind on how to partition :-)
[09:08] <cheeseboy> put your home on seperate partition
[09:08] <cheeseboy> rest doesnt matter
[09:08] <thingy> illu45: it loads a module and all its dependancies taking into account any options specified on the cli or in /etc/ somewhere
[09:08] <illu45> Oh, ok
[09:08] <illu45> All right, I will reboot, then. Will be back shortly.
[09:10] <cheeseboy> woot i got my ubuntu cds
[09:11] <thingy> cheeseboy: the free ones?
[09:12] <thingy> I showed a friend how to sign up for the free cds and he kept asking me...whats the catch? and I told him there were none and he wouldnt believe me.
[09:13] <illu45> woo, sound still works! :)
[09:14] <cheeseboy> thingy yes
[09:14] <cheeseboy> thingy can i finish the apt-get update from the live cd?
[09:15] <thingy> cheeseboy: hmm good idea...you;ll have to figure out a way of chrooting into your installed system while booted into the live cd
[09:15] <illu45> Thanks again, thingy. I really appreciate the help :)
[09:16] <thingy> illu45: np
[09:21] <thingy> cheeseboy: umm from doing chroots during installing gentoo, something like this might work...after your booted into the live cd, launch a term and mount your root as say /mnt/fiesty. then do a chroot /mnt/fiesty /bin/bash; source /etc/profile
[09:24] <Jester45> you can also tell apt where to apply things from
[09:25] <Jester45> so like a apt only chroot
[09:25] <cheesebo1> see thingy toldya wireless works :-P
[09:28] <thingy> not fair...i was going to point out that it only works since youve re-setup the config on the live cd and that the dist-upgrade may have screwed up the config on your box
[09:29] <cheesebo1> >:( old gaim
[09:33] <cheesebo1> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/fiesty
[09:33] <cheesebo1> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[09:33] <cheesebo1> how do i fix that?
[09:34] <Jester45> put -t filesystemtype
[09:34] <Jester45> like ext3
[09:34] <cheesebo1> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,
[09:35] <Jester45> well what type is it
[09:35] <Jester45> that was an example
[09:35] <thingy> cheesebo1: are you using lvm2 ?
[09:35] <cheesebo1> thingy yea
[09:36] <cheesebo1> dunno what the difference is tho
[09:36] <thingy> cheesebo1: is /dev/sda5 the lvm partition or the logical volume?
[09:36] <cheesebo1> not sure
[09:36] <thingy> cheeseboy: im new to lvm2 as well.. heh am installing it for the first time on this setup.
[09:37] <cheesebo1> ya what i did
[09:37] <cheesebo1> no idea what it is tho
[09:37] <thingy> cheesebo1: from the little i know about lvm2 so far...i think you have to use some other lvm2 specific command to mount stuff
[09:37] <thingy> i havetn actually booted into my box yet, the install is still working and once im in i can check and be sure
[09:38] <cheesebo1> anyone know the commands?
[09:39] <Jester45> google does
[09:39] <cheesebo1> google isnt a person
[09:39] <Jester45> yes it is
[09:39] <thingy> cheesebo1: heres some examples: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html
[09:40] <Jester45> and how do you know im a person
[09:40] <thingy> cheesebo1: looks like the volume group will have a file in it which will be the device that gets mounted
[09:44] <cheesebo1> thingy how i figure out what that file is?
[09:44] <thingy> cheeseboy: umm
[09:46] <thingy> cheesebo1: it will be one of the vg* tools...my box running fsck at the moment...I hate it when ubuntu forces this after an install...bah! a fsck on a 600gb partition takes AGGGgeeeess.
[09:46] <thingy> ok here we go
[09:46] <thingy> finding out
[09:47] <thingy> cheeseboy: what does vgdisplay return on your box?
[09:47] <cheesebo1> bash: vgdisplay: command not found
[09:48] <thingy> cheesebo1: do you have an vg* commands? i.e. type in vg and then press tab twice
[09:48] <thingy>  cheesebo1: try typing in pvs
[09:49] <cheesebo1> nope
[09:49] <cheesebo1> bash: pvs: command not found
[09:50] <thingy> cheesebo1: is there a /dev/mapper folder on the live cd?
[09:51] <cheesebo1> thingy no
[09:52] <thingy> cheesebo1: maybe this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery see the finding your root parititon bit
[09:56] <cheesebo1> /dev/sda5              32        4865    38829073+  8e  Linux LVM
[09:58] <cheesebo1> still no idea how to mount it
[09:59] <thingy> cheesebo1: most prob. your root partition is not on lvm2 since to do that requires manual steps in ubuntu. so your root partition cannot be /dev/sda5 since that is current marked as an lvm parition..or so I think...can you pastebin output of disk -l
[09:59] <thingy> fdisk -l
[10:00] <cheesebo1> http://rafb.net/p/ABgCay73.html
[10:01] <thingy> cheesebo1: there you go...sda1 is the root partition
[10:01] <cheesebo1> no its not
[10:02] <cheesebo1> all i have is boot stuff there
[10:04] <thingy> cheesebo1: the easiest thing you can do then is to reboot and when booted up in your own box to run vgdisplay -v as root and note down the LV Name and VG Name values for the root.
[10:07] <thingy> brb af
[10:07] <thingy> afk
[10:16] <Ben_Cs> hello
[10:21] <Jester45> hi
[10:23] <Ben_Cs> jester: happily back to xubuntu
[10:23] <Ben_Cs> :)
[10:24] <Ben_Cs> still i use many usefull kde apps
[10:25] <Ben_Cs> BTW why would anyone use xfce-terminal emulator. i like xterm much better
[10:25] <Jester45> was that a typo? you used kde and useful in the same sentence
[10:25] <Jester45> i like Terminal
[10:25] <Jester45> its prettier
[10:26] <Ben_Cs> Terminal has bugs with htop. when i press F10 for instance, it handles the shortcut as Terminal shortcut instead of htop shortcut
[10:26] <Jester45> i dont use htop
[10:27] <Ben_Cs> what do u use then?
[10:28] <Jester45> psaux iftop and top
[10:29] <Ben_Cs> i like htop
[10:29] <Ben_Cs> well, gotta go now. c u later then
[10:30] <Jester45> bye
[10:30] <Jester45> does anyone here not empty their trash to often?
[10:30] <Jester45> mine has 43577 items totalling 3,4 GB
[10:31] <Jester45> 34.4GB *
[10:32] <thingy> Jester45: jeez
[10:32] <Wizard> o_O
[10:32] <Jester45> im guessing that large
[10:34] <Jester45> i download a lot of movies and linux isos
[10:34] <Wizard> just to keep it in thrash ?
[10:34] <Jester45> no
[10:34] <Jester45> i just never empty
[10:34] <Jester45> incase i want to watch it again or use it
[10:35] <Jester45> if i run out of space i will empty
[10:39] <illu45> Ah, I usually empty often, but mine's been known to reach a few gigs
[10:41] <illu45> As far as xterm vs. Terminal goes, I prefer the simplicity of xterm, but its a pain when copying long outputs.
[10:42] <Jester45> so where is the trash stored at
[10:43] <One> hey, could I have some help? ive got a problem on boot: a 'buffer I/O error on sdb logical block 0', and the output seems to loop, and display more error messages: 'ata2.00: exception emask ... frozen'. the system basically doesn't seem to boot.
[10:44] <One> well, boot to a gui
[10:44] <relaxotan> hi
[10:45] <relaxotan> anyone here willing to answer some questions for me?
[10:45] <relaxotan> i'm new to linux
[10:45] <relaxotan> need a good distro for my low spec pc
[10:45] <relaxotan> thought xubuntu could be the one i need :)
[10:45] <relaxotan> got a 1.33 ghz cpu and 128 mb ram
[10:46] <relaxotan> enough to run smoothly?
[10:46] <illu45> Hm... I think you could run gnome on that, but yes, xfce would probably be better, especially with just 128MB of RAM
[10:46] <The_Kernel> yes
[10:46] <relaxotan> where can i get xfce?
[10:46] <illu45> I don't think you should have any trouble with smoothness with Xubuntu, no
[10:46] <The_Kernel> xubuntu is your friend
[10:46] <relaxotan> :)
[10:47] <illu45> xubuntu comes with xfce as the default desktop manager :)
[10:47] <relaxotan> i need to install xfce on top of it?
[10:47] <One> ...
[10:47] <relaxotan> ow ok :)
[10:47] <relaxotan> as i said i'm new to linux ;)
[10:48] <relaxotan> i never thought about installing it, but i got backtrack 2 together with my new wifi card
[10:48] <relaxotan> tried it, but i's way to heavy for my old lappy ...
[10:48] <cheeseboy> thingy you there?
[10:48] <illu45> backtrack 2?
[10:49] <relaxotan> will i be able to run the same aps on xubuntu as those available on the backtrack distro?
[10:49] <relaxotan> yeah
[10:49] <relaxotan> backtrack is a network security suite distro
[10:49] <relaxotan> looks nice
[10:49] <relaxotan> but way too heavy for my cpu :(
[10:50] <relaxotan> so maybeye xubuntu will do the trick ;)
[10:50] <illu45> Never heard of that one before. The apps should be compatible, yes. They probably won't be pre-installed, though. You'll have to get them from the repositories (using synaptic or apt-get install) or compile them from source, which you can get from the programs' websites
[10:50] <relaxotan> ok
[10:51] <One> hello?
[10:51] <relaxotan> http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html
[10:51] <relaxotan> this is a link to backtrack
[10:52] <relaxotan> now you know it too :)
[10:52] <illu45> Hehe, thanks
[10:53] <illu45> One, hm... the problem appears after the Xubuntu boot screen, I presume?
[10:53] <relaxotan> what problem?
[10:54] <One> after grub. it's installed, and i'm running it from the hard drive.
[10:54] <relaxotan> ow ok :)
[10:54] <One> @ relax: :P
[10:54] <illu45> Hm, right after GRUB?  I don't mean 'doesn't boot', I mean, doesn't get into the normal xubuntu os and gui.
[11:00] <One> *os environment
[11:00] <One> eh, i'm a linux newbie . (probably like everyone else coming here though, I s'pose)
[11:00] <illu45> Ah... do you see the boot screen before the error messege?
[11:00] <illu45> message?*
[11:02] <One> what exactly is the 'boot screen'?
[11:02] <One> I turn the thing on, and grub appears, I select to run, and the terminal-esque messages start to flow
[11:03] <One> and in those text messages, this error appears
[11:03] <illu45> Ah, ok
[11:03] <illu45> the "boot screen" is the thing that has a Xubuntu logo in the middle of the screen, with a small progress bar below it
[11:04] <One> ah, no, that doesn't appear afaik
[11:04] <illu45> Ah, ok... have you tried booting from a liveCD?
[11:05] <One> yes, that gets me to the boot screen
[11:06] <One> it has worked before the install, and got into the xubuntu gui
[11:06] <illu45> Ah, ok...
[11:06] <illu45> But you haven't been able to get to a GUI after having installed it?
[11:06] <One> yup
[11:08] <One> well, the error messages (and a lot of them) seem to loop for hours, so I presume I can't reach the gui
[11:08] <illu45> Hm... odd. The installation didn't give any errors?
[11:09] <One> the os was very, very slow to work with from the livecd, but the install worked (the second time round, the first time it was complaining about permissions to mount the hd, which mysteriously didn't appear second time)
[11:10] <illu45> Ah... hm... Can you boot into the Recovery mode?
[11:10] <One> it gives the same error messages
[11:11] <One> well, afaik. it operates very slowly (system is 333mhz amd k6-2, pc100 316mb ram (says memtest))
[11:12] <illu45> Ah, ok
[11:12] <illu45> Wow... 333Mhz...
[11:13] <One> brb
[11:13] <illu45> ok
[11:14] <illu45> I'm not really sure what the problem is... If it was just a GUI issue, I would say reconfigure xorg, but since you can't boot into Recovery mode either, it seems the issue is more serious than that
[11:18] <cheeseboy> how  do i mount lvm partition from live cd?
[11:19] <relaxotan> dudes
[11:19] <One> bk. i'll try recovery mode again, to make sure.
[11:19] <relaxotan> got some starnge behaviour while installing xubuntu :(
[11:19] <relaxotan> in the normal installer mode i get a blackscree
[11:19] <relaxotan> blackscreen*
[11:20] <relaxotan> in the safe grafix mode i get all kinds of colored vertical lines on my screen
[11:22] <relaxotan> maybeye it is not compatible with my cgrafix card?
[11:22] <relaxotan> it's all intel chips in my lappy, should not be a problem, not?
[11:31] <cheeseboy> help???
[11:33] <Ben_Cs[away] > lvm?
[11:33] <Ben_Cs[away] > what's that
[11:33] <Ben_Cs[away] > ?
[11:35] <cheeseboy> i dont think you can helpif you dont know what it is
[11:39] <Ben_Cs[away] > but i just want to know
[11:40] <Ben_Cs> just read about usb 3.0 aka wireless usb. well, nice for periferials but how about boosting the usb flash drives speed?
[11:56] <cheeseboy> root@ubuntu:~# chroot /media/gusty
[11:56] <cheeseboy> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[11:57] <cheeseboy> what i do wrong?
[12:07] <illu45> cheeseboy, chmod +x [file  name]
[12:09] <cheeseboy> illu45: what file i chmod?
[12:10] <illu45> cheeseboy, what are you trying to run?
[12:10] <illu45> oh
[12:10] <cheeseboy> chroot into my broken install
[12:10] <illu45> er, just do sudo chmod /media/gutsy instead
[12:11] <cheeseboy> +x ?
[12:12] <cheeseboy> illu45: u mean chmod +x ?
[12:12] <illu45> Bah, "sudo chroot /media/gutsy"
[12:12] <illu45> without the quotes
[12:12] <extrasticky> hi
[12:13] <cheeseboy> root@ubuntu:~# chroot /media/gusty
[12:13] <cheeseboy> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[12:13] <illu45> hi
[12:13] <illu45> oh, you are root..
[12:13] <illu45> odd.
[12:14] <illu45> what are the permissions on /media/gutsy?
[12:14] <cheeseboy> i like being root
[12:14] <cheeseboy> :-P
[12:14] <illu45> hehe
[12:15] <extrasticky> I installed xubuntu, worked fine with the alternate cd, then i just ran a terminal and wanted to do a "sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces" (or wherever you specify a gateway), sudo rejected my (user)password and now the login screen also rejects my password, i can't log into xubutun anymore. what's going wrong?
[12:15] <extrasticky> sorry, i didn't find anything sufficent via google
[12:16] <cheeseboy> illu45: how i get the permissions of it?
[12:19] <illu45> cheeseboy, not sure, actually. Try just doing sudo chmod 777 /media/gutsy
[12:21] <cheeseboy> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/gusty': Read-only file system
[12:26] <cheeseboy> illu45: help
[12:26] <illu45> cheeseboy, er, so the chmod was fine?
[12:26] <cheeseboy> i dont know
[12:26] <Jester45> no
[12:27] <Jester45> its a readonly file system
[12:27] <illu45> Ah, ok
[12:27] <cheeseboy> how do i fix that?
[12:27] <Jester45> so remount rw
[12:27] <cheeseboy> ?
[12:28] <Jester45> use mount with the remount option
[12:28] <Jester45> it wull umount and remount with write permissions
[12:28] <Jester45> man mount
[12:28] <cheeseboy> remount /dev/sda5/ubuntu-server /media/gusty
[12:28] <cheeseboy> like that?
[12:28] <Jester45> no
[12:28] <Jester45> use man its your friend
[12:29] <cheeseboy> man is my enemy
[12:29] <Jester45> you will learn a lot morethan sitting here asking how to do everything
[12:30] <cheeseboy> no i wont
[12:30] <cheeseboy> id just waste more time reading the man
[12:30] <Jester45> like if you read it in the first place you would know how to remount
[12:32] <extrasticky> cheeseboy: reading man pages is something you'll get used to
[12:32] <extrasticky> if you do it
[12:33] <cheeseboy> well it isnt working
[12:33] <tetragon> cheeseboy: After a while, manpages became the first place I would look for instructions
[12:35] <s-x-u>  i became a member of the xubuntu users team (because i am one) but couldnt find any info on what this team is doing is it only to count how many are using xubuntu ?
[12:37] <s-x-u> (on launchpad)
[12:41] <s-x-u> i also found if i click the answers tab there are a few actions i can click : Answered, Assigned, Asked, Commented,  Need attention, Subscribed,  and Answer contact for. but no action to actually ask a question ...?
[12:41] <s-x-u>
[12:42] <TheSheep> s-x-u: #launchpad
[12:43] <s-x-u> TheSheep: already moving over there maybe you can explain me there ?:)
[12:44] <TheSheep> s-x-u: if I could, I'd explain already, but because I don't know the answers, I pointed you to the channel with People Who Know :)
[12:45] <s-x-u> you are also member i see your face on the team photo am i right ?
[12:46] <extrasticky> so, does anyone know a solution to my problem, maybe?
[12:47] <s-x-u> extrasticky: what is your problem i just joined ?
[12:48] <extrasticky> I installed xubuntu, worked fine with the alternate cd, then i just ran a terminal and wanted to do a "sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces" (or wherever you specify a gateway), sudo rejected my (user)password and now the login screen also rejects my password, i can't log into xubutun anymore. what's going wrong?
[12:48] <extrasticky> i forgot, after the "sudo" i tried a "su" (i hadn't read by then, that the root account is disabled by default)
[12:50] <TheSheep> extrasticky: it shoouldn't break anything :/
[12:50] <s-x-u> reboot and in grub select recovery mode than with useradd you can make a new user for administrator rights you have to ask someone else
[12:51] <TheSheep> extrasticky: you can just set a new password with passwd from the recovery mode too
[12:52] <s-x-u> jester45 is right you know (too) much about linux :) thesheep
[12:52] <tetragon> And on the note of my non-booting due to kernel hang Thinkpad of a couple days ago:  still not booting the 7.04 kernel, the last reported working kernel falls on the wrong side of a udev limit to work with 7.04
[12:53] <TheSheep> tetragon: you tried various kernel options at boot?
[12:53] <tetragon> TheSheep: The usual ones
[12:53] <s-x-u> hi tetragon bad luck i thought you already used your new super 7.04 system
[12:54] <TheSheep> tetragon: there is also thinkpad wiki dedicated to to various issues ith thinkpads
[12:54] <tetragon> TheSheep: I was able to convince the installer to work (for some values of)
[12:54] <extrasticky> s-x-u, The-Kernel: ok i'll try that
[12:54] <tetragon> TheSheep: And there's no mention of this on thinkwiki
[12:54] <extrasticky> but the installation and everything was so easy and colourfull
[12:54] <TheSheep> tetragon: what model of thinkpad is it?
[12:54] <extrasticky> and now it's confusing and wrong
[12:54] <tetragon> TheSheep: An i1200
[12:55] <tetragon> tetragon: People have had it working with 2.6.15
[12:55] <s-x-u> extrasticky: that is with every thing as long as it works it is beautiful but if it dont it is nightmare
[12:57] <TheSheep> tetragon: say, does it have serial ata?
[12:57] <tetragon> TheSheep: Nope
[12:59] <TheSheep> tetragon: any suspicious bios options? :)
[12:59] <tetragon> TheSheep: Nope
[12:59] <extrasticky> s-x-u: the only unix os i used before was freebsd...
[01:00] <tetragon> TheSheep: Where it hangs depends upon the option set
[01:00] <TheSheep> tetragon: there is someone who claims to have 7.04 instaleld without any problems and tricks: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=433108
[01:00] <tetragon> TheSheep: The last one I tried was after '[  59.252560]  SCSI subsystem initialized' but I've gotten further in the past
[01:01] <TheSheep> tetragon: there seemsto be a solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473510
[01:02] <TheSheep> tetragon: if it works for you, add it to the thinkwiki :)
[01:03] <s-x-u> tetragon: we didnt try the irqpoll
[01:03] <s-x-u> (for as far i can remember
[01:03] <s-x-u> )
[01:03] <tetragon> TheSheep: It doesn't need 'vga=792' when I did it, but I normally don't play with graphics when difficulties arise
[01:03] <tetragon> And I did use irqpoll in the past
[01:04] <s-x-u> ok
[01:05] <s-x-u> you better try to change your thinkpad for a hp compaq presario v5236ea
[01:06] <tetragon> s-x-u: Not my thinkpad
[01:06] <s-x-u> hihi


[05:45] <kendell> I'm proud to be using ubuntu mate as my only Os as of march 1st, 2018. Goodbye windows
[05:50] <kendell> strange issues I'm having with the upcoming development lts images. They won't boot to the desktop. I'm running on a vizio ct14 ultrabook with a dogfish ssd, intel 3217U cpu and integrated graphics. Linux has no problems with my hardware
[11:04] <markus-mate> Hi, based on your experience, how well does it work to have ubuntu mate installed along with packages for xubuntu-desktop (xfce)? I havent decided yet what i want.
[11:04] <alkisg> markus-mate: in general it's best to use VMs to test multiple DEs
[11:04] <markus-mate> If i install kubuntu on a ubuntu install, then try few different things it eventually pollutes the installation.
[11:04] <alkisg> In theory multiple DEs are fine; in practice, some services from one DE may end up running on the other DE
[11:05] <alkisg> And, uninstalling a DE isn't always as easy as it sounds...
[11:05] <markus-mate> Thanks, I am running on a VM now to try mate.
[11:05] <alkisg> OK, run one for each DE
[11:05] <alkisg> You can also do snapshots if you want
[11:05] <markus-mate> I really like gnome 2, it just works as i expect from a desktop environment.
[11:06] <markus-mate> Mate doesnt look much more modern then what i remember how gnome 2 looked 10 years ago.
[11:07] <markus-mate> Is mate adjusted for more modern technologies? (vague question i know)
[11:07] <alkisg> Yes, it's starting to support hidpi etc
[11:08] <markus-mate> I have a 1440 27inch display so that could be good.
[11:08] <markus-mate> I think i\ll just reinstall ubuntu on my desktop (on my laptop now) and try it out
[11:08] <markus-mate> in full screen vm
[16:34] <mate|38616> come disinstallare pacchetti in mate
[16:36] <diogenes_> mate|38616, sudo apt remove pacchetti nome
[17:46] <jason_> hello world
[17:47] <diogenes_> hello citizen
[18:13] <jason_> Welcome


[00:44] <Luca__> Hi there. Does anybody knows if charms are already available for saucy? I cant see any of them
[00:53] <zradmin> davecheney: are you available at the moment?  I'm using MAAS to deploy on and my test maas controller has been around since 12.04.2/juju 1.12 - through updates etc i have upgraded the controller and it is now on 12.04.3/juju 1.16.3 - i have destroyed the environment and the charms should be pulling directly from the charm store for each deployment. could the old maas controller possibly be an issue?
[00:58] <davecheney> zradmin: not really sure
[00:59] <davecheney> not a maas expert
[00:59] <davecheney> but i'd recommend using the latest possible maas version
[00:59] <davecheney> probably from the cloud archive
[00:59] <zradmin> yeah its on there
[00:59] <zradmin> im just wondering if somehow im getting an older version of the charm even though its pulling directly from the store
[01:00] <davecheney> zradmin: no, that is not possible
[01:00] <davecheney> that is
[01:01] <davecheney> it is not possible if you destroyed the environment and reboostrapped
[01:01] <davecheney> as the cache is inside the environemnt
[01:01] <zradmin> yeah its been rebootstrapped several times
[01:01] <zradmin> is there a way to check the charm version on node 0?
[01:03] <davecheney> zradmin: no
[01:03] <davecheney> there is no charm deployed on macine 0
[01:03] <davecheney> juju status will report the version of the charm downloaded and deployed from the store
[01:03] <zradmin> ok so node0 doesnt store a cached copy of the charm then
[01:04] <Luca__> davecheney: Do you know if there are chams available for saucy? I cant find any in the repository
[01:06] <davecheney> Luca__: most of the charms are for the LTS relases
[01:06] <davecheney> it's unlikely that we'll have a lot of saucy charms
[01:06] <davecheney> Luca__: the series of the charm defines the series of the machine it is deployed on
[01:06] <davecheney> so, while you migth be running saucy on your desktop
[01:06] <davecheney> you want to be deploying precise machines to run your services
[01:06] <Luca__> davecheney: Actually I did not find any
[01:06] <davecheney> that is why most of the charms are for precise
[01:07] <sarnold> Luca__: I think only the precise charms are promulgated to the charmstore; I know I've seen non-precise charms but there's not many of them, and I don't know how to search them these days..
[01:07] <Luca__> davecheney: my intention was trying deploying Openstack with 13.10 using charms. I am now ending up staring again with 12.04.03
[01:07] <davecheney> Luca__: canonical only supports deploying openstack on our LTS releases
[01:08] <zradmin> davecheney: I found this on node0 in /var/lib/juju/charmcache/cs_3a_precise_2f_mysql-29.charm  29 was the latest revision right?
[01:08] <sarnold> davecheney: sadly you'd never know that from e.g. http://www.ubuntu.com/server/
[01:08] <Luca__> davecheney: Thanks. Will try from there
[01:09] <sarnold> "13.10! charms! openstack!" hehe
[01:09] <Luca__> sarnold: Agree, from the web page impression is quite different
[01:09] <zradmin> sarnold: the website definetly needs an update... takes at least a month just to figure out where to begin :)
[01:09] <Luca__> sarnold: Right, that is why I started with 13.10
[01:09] <sarnold> Luca__: plus you figure starting with 13.10 would giv eyou a good jump on 14.04 LTS, right? :) you wouldn't be the first to hope so...
[01:09] <Luca__> zradmin: same here, have been working on this for the last 15 days to figure out how to start
[01:10] <zradmin> Luca__: this is the best publicly available document i have found so far https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[01:11] <Luca__> davecheney: I have pinged jamespage trying to get some information about the status of openstack bundles, however he does not seem available
[01:11] <zradmin> Luca__: but use the latest version of juju... not .7 that the guide states
[01:11] <sarnold> Luca__: if he's from .us, he might already be enjoying thanksgiving holidays
[01:12] <Luca__> zradmin: Yes thanks I am following that, though requirements are unrealistic.... 28 servers is really something useless and I dont have a clear idea how to install different services on same nodes
[01:12] <davecheney> zradmin: looking at the charm store, mysql-29 is the latest
[01:13] <Luca__> zradmin: I am now with 12.04.03 I believe I am using the latest juju, though need to check
[01:13] <zradmin> Luca__: juju deploy $SERVICE --to $MACHINE#
[01:13] <davecheney> Luca__: yeah, opensack isn't for the faint of heart
[01:13] <davecheney> and juju won't giv eyou a lot of help there
[01:13] <Luca__> zradmin: so far I have been trying adding havana repository however I am getting a GPG error: http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com precise-updates/havana Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
[01:14] <davecheney> as the default policy is one service unit per machine
[01:14] <sarnold> oh man, this looks useful :)  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure
[01:14] <sarnold> wonder how I hadn't seen this one before
[01:14] <davecheney> Luca__: i'm not quite sure how you got onto the 13.10 track
[01:14] <davecheney> charms always dictate the series of the machine they are deployed on
[01:14] <davecheney> we only have openstack charms for precise
[01:14] <davecheney> so the machines deployed will be precise machines
[01:14] <Luca__> davecheney: you are right, it is not the easiest stuff to deploy
[01:15] <zradmin> davecheney: the later jujus support multi service deployment using lxc containers right?
[01:15] <Luca__> sarnold: That link is unfortunately quite outdated... Not even quantum in the deployment
[01:16] <sarnold> Luca__: oh. drat.
[01:16] <Luca__> sarnold: I would not advise you following that unless you want to be really behind
[01:17] <davecheney> zradmin: juju 1.16.x (and 1.14 i think) supports lxc containers
[01:17] <davecheney> but I would be very surprised if our openstack charms accept being deployed inside an lxc container
[01:17] <davecheney> as usuall, networking is the issue with containers
[01:17] <davecheney> i think maas + lxc + openstack is possible, but not tested
[01:18] <zradmin> davecheney: nah i havent used it for those but i do use it for things like nagios/juju-gui
[01:18] <Luca__> davecheney: I started with 13.10 then followed several docs, and looked for openstack charms for saucy, which were obviously  not  available. Ending downloading those for precise, which did not work in 13.10 and then now startign again with 12.04.03... This has been the path in the last 15 days
[01:19] <zradmin> for the openstack api services im running them in their own vms in proxmox
[01:20] <zradmin> eth0 is on one set of switches, while eth1 is on the dmz side for all of my machines (physical and virtual)
[01:26] <Luca__> zradmin: were you able to deploy openstack with ubuntu?
[01:27] <zradmin> Luca__: grizzly was the closest i came to having it all up and running, but now i have an issue with neutron not coming up properly
[01:27] <davecheney> Luca__: i'm sorry you got so sidetracked
[01:27] <davecheney> i'm not sure what you mean by download
[01:28] <davecheney> juju deploy mysql
[01:28] <davecheney> will deploy mysql on the current LTS
[01:28] <davecheney> we try not to make it any more complicated than that
[01:28] <zradmin> davecheney: have most of the deployments you've seen been setup as HA? or are people just setting it up as single nodes?
[01:29] <davecheney> zradmin: always ha
[01:29] <zradmin> thats what i thought
[01:29] <davecheney> zradmin: nobody wants an unreliable hypervisor
[01:29] <zradmin> is the guid similar to the on posted on the wiki or is there any updated documentation/configs we can try to follow
[01:30] <zradmin> lol for sure :)
[01:31] <davecheney> guid ?
[01:31] <davecheney> guide
[01:31] <Luca__> zradmin: did you deploy with charms?
[01:31] <zradmin> yeah guide sorry for my typo
[01:33] <zradmin> Luca__: yes! it makes it much easier than configuring by hand when paired with MAAS. I can deploy a test environment across 28 servers in 2 hours easily
[01:33] <sarnold> two hours? zounds :)
[01:34] <Luca__> davecheney: Basically I created an environment.yaml file with default-series: precise instead and not saucy, even though I was on 13.10. I as well downloaded locally charms but still for precise. This is what I meant by downloading them
[01:34] <zradmin> sarnold: and then spend the next two weeks trying to figure out why neutron isnt working :(
[01:34] <Luca__> zradmin; As far as I know jamespage should be working on HA deployments and bundles
[01:35] <Luca__> zradmin: For production environment HA is mandatory... otherwise useless
[01:35] <davecheney> Luca__: it's even easier
[01:36] <davecheney> remove the default-series config optoin
[01:36] <davecheney> you don't need it
[01:36] <sarnold> zradmin: oh man, that's annoying. :/ I know nearly nothing of the whole environment, and it seems unlikely I'll ever own enough machines to really give it all a try...
[01:37] <Luca__> davecheney: got it. In any case now I am with 12.04.03 will start from there. So far I could create a bootstrap node, now will start with the HA deployment. Unfortunately I am having some issue setting the Ubuntu Cloud Repository. It is complaining about public key not available
[01:38] <davecheney> Luca__: i'm sorry, i don't quite understand
[01:38] <davecheney> you don't nede to anything
[01:38] <davecheney> juju does tihs
[01:40] <Luca__> davecheney: You dont need to use Ubuntu Cloud Repository? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/cloud-archive-instructions
[01:40] <Luca__> zradmin: Did you follow HA Guide?
[01:41] <sarnold> Luca__: this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive   has the commands e.g. sudo add-apt-repository cloud-archive:havana
[01:41] <davecheney> Luca__: if you were going to install opensack by hand, maybe
[01:41] <Luca__> zradmin: In any case as I said earlier 28 servers it is kind of unrealistic. Really need to scale down
[01:41] <davecheney> but the charms will do this themselves onte machines that they spin up
[01:41] <sarnold> Luca__: add-apt-repository automatically retrieves the key you need from launchpad
[01:42] <Luca__> davecheney: got it
[01:43] <Luca__> davecheney: basically juju would look into the correct archive and use havana packages if I understand correctly?
[01:43] <Luca__> sarnold: Thanks, I was there now :)
[01:44] <zradmin> Luca__: yeah i followed the ha guide and ammended it when havana was released because i wanted to get past the neutron rename. i have 16 machines to play with in a blade enclosure so my plan has been to use 3 for ceph, and virtualize all the api services between 2 others... after that its all compute-nodes
[01:44] <davecheney> Luca__: not juju, the charms
[01:44] <davecheney> the charms contain all the logic
[01:44] <davecheney> juju is just a workflow engine
[01:46] <Luca__> rzadmin: Have you been able to deploy several services into one blade? wit the --to flag?
[01:46] <zradmin> well in a blade each blade (we're using half heights) is its own server
[01:46] <zradmin> ^blade enclosure
[01:46] <Luca__> davecheney: Yes, sorry, I was thinking about charms and wrote juju ...
[01:48] <Luca__> zradmin: An enclosure comes at most with 16 blades, therefore I need to deploy some services on a single server. However the HA guide requires 28 servers. How did you move from 28 to 16?
[01:49] <zradmin> i use proxmox(open source hypervisor using kvm) on 2 of the blades and have vms for each of the services on both
[01:49] <zradmin> onces thats running properly we can scale the apis to new nodes as needed thanks to juju add-unit
[01:52] <Luca__> zradmin: Dont know the details but I grasped the idea
[01:53] <sarnold> zradmin: suddenly a two hour deploy makes sense, you're putting a ton of work on two little blades :)
[01:54] <zradmin> sarnold: they're pretty big, but the deploy is slowed down mainly by me waiting for each service to finish coming online with all the relationships before provisioning the next one
[01:55] <davecheney> zradmin: are you doing that because you think it will fail ?
[01:55] <davecheney> or just to see it working ?
[01:55] <Luca__> sarnold: As I dont have a whole chassis for myself I was thinking using couple of servers and virtualize there :)
[01:55] <sarnold> zradmin: if you don't mind, what capabilities do each blade have? how much does the whole enclosure and blades cost? :D
[01:55] <Luca__> sarnold: An enclosure is quite expensive
[01:56] <Luca__> sarnold: A single half blade servers about 3000$
[01:56]  * davecheney never understood why people use blades
[01:56] <Luca__> Enclosure is more that 10,000$, plus switchs OAM
[01:56] <davecheney> they use more power
[01:56] <davecheney> cost more than regular macines
[01:56] <davecheney> and since when was data center space a bigger problem than watts/rack
[01:56] <Luca__> davecheney: well, it is good if you want to integrate servers
[01:56] <sarnold> Luca__: ouch :) okay scratch that then, hehe
[01:56] <zradmin> sarnold: we picked up the chasis fully loaded (used on ebay!) for around 11k, dell m610s w 2/8 core procs & 48GB RAM
[01:57] <Luca__> nut definitely not worse for a openstack deployment. beside you would have problems with midplane bandwidth
[01:57] <sarnold> davecheney: blades may fit better into a house :) hehe
[01:57]  * davecheney stands by his asserting that blade chassises are a false economy
[01:57] <davecheney> sarnold: in AU, most blade chassis need 3 phase power
[01:57] <Luca__> rzadmin: Yes, if used that could be a reasonable  price
[01:58] <davecheney> that isn't available in my condo
[01:58] <zradmin> davecheney: agreed.... unless you are renting a half rack from a data center and they forgot to put power usage in the lease agreement! :D
[01:58] <sarnold> davecheney: hehe, yeah, I wound up scratching "buy a used thumper" off my todo list once I saw three-phase requirement. d'oh )
[01:58] <zradmin> lol
[01:58] <davecheney> the thumper doens't need 3 phase
[01:59] <davecheney> just 200v which isn't availble commonly inthe US
[01:59] <sarnold> no? just 220 withot the phases?
[01:59] <Luca__> :)
[01:59] <sarnold> just laundry drying machines... hehe
[02:00] <Luca__> rzadmin: Did yo use juju 1.6?
[02:01] <Luca__> I just found out that current installed version on my 12.04.03 box is 0.5+bzr531-0ubuntu1.3
[02:01] <Luca__> pretty outdated...
[02:01] <zradmin> Luca__: 1.16.3
[02:01] <sarnold> 0.5??
[02:01] <Luca__> Version: 0.5+bzr531-0ubuntu1.3
[02:02] <zradmin> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/pkgs
[02:02] <zradmin> sudo apt-get update
[02:02] <zradmin> etc
[02:02] <Luca__> yep
[02:02] <Luca__> kid of surprised too about the version....
[02:02] <davecheney> Luca__: sory about that
[02:02] <davecheney> LTS rules mean we cannot change the version of juju in precise
[02:02] <Luca__> Had already bootstrap node, need to restart all
[02:03] <Luca__> davecheney: no worries, I understand
[02:03] <davecheney> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/
[02:03] <davecheney> install instruction are here
[02:03] <Luca__> At least I am getting few good infos from this chat!
[02:05] <sarnold> well I'll be, I thought for sure precise had shipped with 0.6...
[02:05] <sarnold> no wonder "install juju from the ppa" was always step #1 :)
[02:05] <Luca__> :)
[02:07] <Luca__> zradmin: Strange... I added the repository but installed 0.7...
[02:08] <Luca__> Version: 0.7+bzr628+bzr633~precise1
[02:09] <sarnold> Luca__: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/ says to use "ppa:juju/stable
[02:09] <Luca__> yes...
[02:09] <sarnold> not "ppa:juju/pkgs" -- the stable ppa has the 1.16
[02:09] <Luca__> and juju-core
[02:09] <Luca__> non juju
[02:10] <Luca__> yep, found now, sorry :(
[02:10] <sarnold> see e.g. https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/stable
[02:10] <zradmin> yeah the ppa:juju/stable is the right one my bad
[02:11] <Luca__> now is righ , no worries
[02:20] <Luca__> Is there a way to select a bootstrap node?
[02:39] <zradmin> Luca__: not to my knowledge, are you using maas?
[02:39] <Luca__> yes
[02:39] <Luca__> I thought so
[02:40] <zradmin> Luca__: i remove my vms from maas when i rebuild the environment and add them one at a time so i know which service is where
[02:41] <Luca__> You are right, this is a good idea
[02:42] <Luca__> Have you tried using LXC containers with Juju?
[02:42] <zradmin> just for small things like juju-gui
[02:43] <zradmin> i usually put that on node 0
[02:43] <Luca__> Do you have any documentation to point at?
[02:43] <zradmin> for which piece?
[02:48] <Luca__> I dont have any experience with LXC and Juju so I was wondering if you followed any document
[03:07] <Luca__> zradmin: how many networks did you define for your openstack deployment ?
[03:11] <zradmin> Luca__: nope no document, just the internal has been difened so far... they used to have the ext-net configured in the nova-cc charm but it looks like they took it out
[03:18] <Luca__> zradmin: what did you use for the monitor-secret under ceph.yaml? To me it looks like the way of getting this secret is kind of recursive
[03:19] <Luca__> monitor-secret:      a ceph generated key used by the daemons that manage to cluster     to control security.  You can use the ceph-authtool command to      generate one:          ceph-authtool /dev/stdout --name=mon. --gen-key
[03:20] <zradmin> yup thats it
[03:21] <Luca__> What did you configure then?
[03:23] <zradmin> i generated a key like that
[03:24] <zradmin> but i think if you leave it undefined it autogenerates one as well
[03:26] <Luca__> zradmin: I am not sure am getting what you mean... You need ceph-authtool to generate the key, but you dont have yet ceph-authtool as you are supposed to install with the charm. Beside the documentation related to this charm says this is a mandatory parameter
[03:26] <zradmin> install the ceph tools on your maas controller
[03:26] <zradmin> then you can generate it :)
[03:30] <Luca__> Thanks
[04:36] <stryderjzw> Hi, I am running the destroy-relation command, but nothing is happening to the services when I run juju status.  Anyone seen this or have a suggestion on how to debug?
[06:48] <freeflying> will this channel be proper to ask question related charm? or do we have dedicated one for it
[07:42] <sarnold> freeflying: this is good, or you can also use askubuntu.com or the mail list
[10:47] <iri-> How do I make juju aware of changes to the IP/DNS in AWS?
[11:27] <SuperMatt> using the power of juju, can I create linux containers on *another* machine?
[13:44] <SuperMatt> I know this isn't real juju, but can someone help me with an openstack question?
[13:56] <X-warrior`> Why does the "juju resolved" doesn't fix/remove this message: 'hook failed: "cluster-relation-joined"' ?
[14:53] <melmoth> X-warrior, no idea, but what about adding a --retry ?
[14:53] <melmoth> so it ll run the failed hook once again
[14:53] <melmoth> if that fail, i guess the next step is juju debug-hooks involved/unit , and run the hook manually to see what the problem is
[15:04] <X-warrior`> that sux
[15:04] <X-warrior`> I can't mark it as resolved, so I can't destroy the service, neither the machine
[15:05] <X-warrior`> sux
[15:42] <X-warrior`> it should have an option
[15:42] <X-warrior`> --force to force doing what you want, for example, if you're deleting a service and use force, it will remove ignoring the current state or something similar...
[16:25] <X-warrior`> What could happen if I terminate a machine from amazon console? Instead of deleting it using destroy-machine? I can't resolve an error state, but this environment has some machines that I cannot loose.