[01:40] <nixternal> OK, the hardest thing for a cpu-z Linux port imbrandon, is going to be all of the cpu images :)
[01:40] <nixternal> CPU tab in gui is complete...only took a year :)
[01:40] <nixternal> bbl, dinner
[01:41] <mhb> kwwii: you should be sleeping at two in the morning :o)
[01:42] <kwwii> mhb: no doubt...thought I would check in after being gone all weekend
[01:43] <mhb> kwwii: ah. by the way, is that your work that the gutsy inactive windows look like Ubuntu's?
[01:43] <kwwii> mhb: erm, not sure what you mean exactly
[01:44] <kwwii> I changed the wallpaper and the colors used for the style
[01:44] <mhb> kwwii: the inactive window decoration has the same colour as the window background
[01:44] <kwwii> if there is a problem with the colors, please let me know
[01:44] <mhb> kwwii: no, it's nice
[01:44] <kwwii> :p
[01:45] <kwwii> man, I had a long day, driving, don't give me shit now :-)
[01:45] <mhb> kwwii: I wanted to give you kudos .o)
[01:46] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[01:47] <kwwii> I wish I had more time for kubuntu, it is important, as important as the other 3+ projects I am working on atm
[01:50] <mhb> kwwii: yeah... don't worry, we're all happy with what you do for kubuntu
[01:53] <kwwii> luckily I am not dead yet - still a bit to do
[01:53] <kwwii> for one, I need to install Gutsy :p
[01:55] <kwwii> actually, I almost have a list of thigns
[01:55] <kwwii> things
[01:56] <kwwii> change the outside pixel border of the active progress pic with an existing color in the palette
[01:56] <kwwii> for the usplash, that is
[01:56] <kwwii> update the logo for kdm and ksplash
[01:56] <kwwii> etc
[01:56] <kwwii> anyway, time for bed here
[01:56] <mhb> goodnight kwwii
[01:56] <kwwii> see you soon :-)
[05:15] <mhb> good morning Hobbsee
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hiya mhb!
[05:20] <ScottK> mhb: I thought you'd be asleep.  Need more testing help?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i should install kde4 while i'm here
[05:23] <mhb> ScottK: sure, just bzr up and try it :-)
[05:23] <mhb> ScottK: I've been fixing bugs all night
[05:26] <ScottK> mhb: If I do it now, is it going to explode my system?
[05:27] <mhb> ScottK: I don't think so :o)
[05:27] <ScottK> Anything in particular you need looked at?
[05:28] <mhb> ScottK: just check if the systemsettings works, an enabling/disabling.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> bug 56136
[05:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56136 in kubuntu-meta "[WishList]  Xchat default in Kubuntu instead of Xchat-gnome" [Wishlist,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56136
[05:28] <Hobbsee> how on *earth* did they get that?
[05:28] <ScottK> mhb: OK
[05:33] <mhb> ScottK: also you may have not noticed but revision 182 contains credits to you! You are now forever bound with restricted-manager-kde :o)
[05:33] <ScottK> No, I hadn't noticed.
[05:34] <ScottK> Where would I have found that?
[05:34] <ScottK> As Hobbsee will attest, I am severely bzr impaired.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:34] <Hobbsee> arent we all?
[05:35] <mhb> ScottK: bzr log, or bzr viz for the people who like shiny
[05:36] <ScottK> K
[05:37] <mhb> ScottK: I feel like I should do something for you, since you helped me that much with testing
[05:37] <mhb> ScottK: I better start on that update-manager bug
[05:37] <ScottK> No.  I'm happy.  I just managed to crash bzr so I get to report a fun bug.
[05:37] <ScottK> mhb: You said you had a little C, right?
[05:38] <mhb> ScottK: yeah
[05:38] <ScottK> I've got a problem I'd like some help solving when you have a little time.
[05:39] <mhb> ScottK: you can tell me now, I won't sleep until the restricted-manager gets reviewed anyway
[05:39] <ScottK> OK.
[05:39] <ScottK> It's a clamav problem (sort of)
[05:40] <ScottK> If you have a version installed in /usr/local (which is what klamav will do if you let it upgrade) freshclam when it checks to see if you are out of date, stops checking one it finds the one in /usr/local.
[05:41] <ScottK> Which can lead to bizzare results.
[05:41] <ScottK> Gimme a sec, I'll find the bug.
[05:41] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/+bug/130385
[05:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130385 in clamav "Freshclam ignores system clamav version if user version is installed" [Undecided,New]
[05:42] <ScottK> What I think it should do is look at both the usr/local and system versions and use the latest to decide about complaining and also if the /usr/local one is the same or older than the system one strongly suggest it be deleted.
[05:43] <ScottK> Sound fun?
[05:43] <mhb> sure, why not
[05:43] <mhb> let's fetch the source and take a look
[05:43] <ScottK> I've looked at the code and it doesn't seem like it'd be extremely hard if I knew any C at all.
[05:43] <ScottK> Cool.
[05:54] <mhb> ScottK: hmm
[05:55] <ScottK> Yeah?
[05:57] <mhb> ScottK: I probably am super stupid, but it seems to me that manager.c is comparing cl_retver() to never, and cl_retver() shows the current version. The cl_retver() function seems to be defined in libclamav/others.c .
[05:57] <ScottK> Yeah.
[05:58] <mhb> ScottK: and it seems it just returns a preprocessed VERSION string passed by the Makefile.
[05:58] <ScottK> But if you look at the bug, you'll see that freshclam also knows what version IT is.
[05:58] <mhb> yeah, I've seen that.
[05:58] <ScottK> In the case in question, I had a usr/local 0.90.3 and a system 0.90.1
[05:59] <mhb> could it be that freshclam is loading a shared library with a different version than it is itself?
[05:59] <ScottK> And so I'd think if freshclam discovers it's a later version than cl_retver() then that's a clue that something needs to be changed.
[06:00] <mhb> let me experiment a bit, so I can be sure
[06:00] <ScottK> My other thought was to just mod the preinst to kill off any clamav's in /usr/local, but that wouldn't be nice.
[06:02] <ScottK> mhb: BTW, you broke krm again: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/krm1.png
[06:03] <ScottK> Just in case you were getting sleepy.
[06:03] <mhb> ScottK: really?
[06:04] <ScottK> Did you look at the screen shot?
[06:04] <mhb> ScottK: what happens if your run it from the cmd line?
[06:04] <mhb> (restricted-manager-kde)
[06:05] <ScottK> I'll try
[06:05] <ScottK> cannot import name fwulrretrieve
[06:06] <mhb> ScottK: you must have an outdated version
[06:06] <mhb> ScottK: of something
[06:07] <mhb> ScottK: try bzr up, try also to install the correct (arch-dependent) .deb package.
[06:07] <ScottK> http://paste.ubbuntu-nl.org/32722/
[06:07] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:08] <ScottK> Didn't notice you changed it to arch dependent.
[06:08] <mhb> ScottK: that was a big mistake of mine - there was some kcm_ compiling, so I had to do it
[06:08] <ScottK> OK
[06:14] <mhb> ScottK: okay, tests completed.
[06:14] <mhb> ScottK: and I was correct
[06:14] <ScottK> OK.
[06:14] <mhb> freshclam doesn't check the executable, it (practically) checks the library it was linked with
[06:15] <ScottK> So it was continuing to use the old /usr/local version of the library.
[06:15] <ScottK> Urgh.
[06:15] <mhb> martin@blackbook:~/processing/clamav-0.91.1$ ldd ./freshclam/.libs/freshclam libclamav.so.2 => /usr/lib/libclamav.so.2 (0x00002aac9798c000)
[06:15] <mhb> therefore:
[06:15] <mhb> martin@blackbook:~/processing/clamav-0.91.1$ ./freshclam/.libs/freshclam --version
[06:16] <mhb> 0.91.1
[06:16] <mhb> ClamAV 0.150/3874/Mon Aug
[06:16] <mhb> I apologize for the pastes.
[06:16] <mhb> but it's six in the morning :o)
[06:16] <ScottK> No problem.
[06:16] <mhb> (the first number is what cl_retval() shows, the other number is what freshclam has hardcoded in
[06:16] <ScottK> Latest krm is installing now.
[06:17] <ScottK> Well that makes it sound even more reasonable that freshclam should raise a stink if they don't agree.
[06:17] <mhb> ScottK: suggestion:
[06:17] <mhb> ScottK: make the cv_retval() function built in the freshclam binary
[06:18] <mhb> ScottK: result:
[06:18] <mhb> ScottK: freshclam always has its own number hardcoded
[06:19] <mhb> it's not retval, it's retver
[06:21] <ScottK> http://paste.ubbuntu-nl.org/32723/ is the latest (it worked)
[06:23] <mhb> ScottK: copy cl_retver function from libclamav/others.c to freshclam/manager.c and your problem will be solved.
[06:23] <ScottK> mhb: Thanks.  I'll have a look when I get some time.  Thanks.
[06:23] <mhb> ScottK: which is the rough fix; the clean fix is to inform the authorities that you need to have the cl-retver function within the binary.
[06:24] <ScottK> Right.  Make it work, first.
[06:24] <mhb> ScottK: you're welcome. I just tested it and it shows the same version like freshclam binary.
[06:24] <mhb> just copy the 4 lines and it's done.
[06:25] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:28] <ScottK> mhb: Here's a good screenshot for you: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/krm2.png
[06:30] <mhb> ScottK: nice, thank you.
[06:34] <mhb> now, let's bring out the big guns and triage the konsole kpart crash
[06:36] <ScottK> Yeah!
[06:37] <ScottK> mhb: It still happens (I just re-ran the reduced test case_.
[06:38] <mhb> ScottK: I know, I upgraded my old desktop to gutsy and I see it too.
[06:38] <ScottK> Cool.
[06:42] <nixternal> ahhh! the infamous "lets rename Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu to Ubuntu something or other" is back!
[06:42] <mhb> nixternal: that and adept
[08:38] <tmske> Hi, will tracker be the default search engine for kubuntu too?
[09:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey, did you see those ideas for naming on all *buntu's ? I think its a good idea actually.
[09:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (maybe the names should be discussed in more detail though)
[11:01] <marseillai> in feisty with backport strigi-daemon fail to install because it looks for dbus-x11 but it doesn't exist in feisty
[11:02] <marseillai> this dependencis should not exist i think
[11:16] <fabo> marseillai: dbus-x11 replace dbus in gutsy so for a backport you need to use dbus
[11:16] <marseillai> fabo: yes i've see that
[11:16] <marseillai> fabo what i mean is that strigi package in feisty backport depends on dbus-x11, it is a mistake
[11:17] <fabo> k
[11:17] <marseillai> fabo: you are the maintainer of strigi-daemon in ubuntu ?
[11:18] <marseillai> fabo: i remember you... ;) in the past i used your repo to test strigi! ;)
[11:18] <fabo> must be jesse/riddell if i remember
[11:19] <fabo> sorry lure/riddell :)
[11:20] <fabo> Riddell: ^^^
[11:27] <Riddell> err, I changed that
[01:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: recon these amarok people can be persuaded to change to gpl 2+? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/KDE-extragear-GPLv2-only-copyright-holders
[01:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't be problem from what I see. also it's already on our todo, dirk mueller already talked to us since trolltech's GPL exception clause makes it finally possible to use non-gpl licensed codecs
[01:30] <apachelogger> so AFAIK we try to get everything to 2+
[01:31] <Riddell> it was possible to use non-gpl codecs before?
[01:33] <apachelogger> well, novell always came up with strange license things....
[01:48] <Riddell> mhb: you didn't depend on pyqt -dev?
[01:48] <Riddell> and didn't add a changelog?
[01:49] <mhb> Riddell: ah, my bad.
[01:49] <Riddell> and does pyqt -dev have sane depends?
[01:50] <mhb> Riddell: pyqt-dev? apt-cache search python-qt3 shows no dev package.
[01:52] <Riddell> sorted :)
[01:52] <Riddell> although there is one for pyqt 4
[01:53] <mhb> Riddell: sorted as in you did the changelog?
[01:54] <Riddell> as in pyqt3 doesn't have a -dev
[01:54] <Riddell> I can add a changelog if you want, but you won't get the credit you deserve
[01:54] <mhb> okay, I'll do it
[02:03] <mhb> Riddell: incoming another wave
[02:20] <ScottK> mhb: Have you slept yet?
[02:26] <mhb> ScottK: sure, three hours or so
[02:32] <Riddell> mhb: pykde3 uploaded
[02:33] <ScottK> mhb: Glad to hear it.
[02:33] <ScottK> Hello Hobbsee
[02:36] <stdin> hmm, how come kate is in kde4sdk in gutsy (and in kde4base in feisty) ?
[02:36] <fabo> Riddell: about pyqt4, i saw a thread about it.
[02:37] <Riddell> waa, amd64 alternate CD is oversized
[02:37] <Riddell> it's grown by 12MB overnight
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ouch
[02:38] <Hobbsee> old kernel not removed?
[02:39] <fabo> Riddell: i don't knwo if you are affected too, anyway the pointer -> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/08/msg00281.html
[02:41] <Riddell> I'd go for "2) make python-qt4-dev depend in python-qt4"
[02:41] <Riddell> whyever shouldn't a -dev package depend on its non -dev equivalent?
[02:41] <ScottK> mhb: What did you fix in python-kde3?
[02:42] <mhb> ScottK: I made the -dev package dependent on the pytho-kde3 one
[02:42] <ScottK> Ah.
[02:42] <ScottK> I was hoping for something dramatic on the kpart problem.
[02:43] <mhb> ScottK: not yet, I'm afraid
[02:43] <mhb> ScottK: python-kde3 build takes ages on slower computers
[02:44] <ScottK> Yes, it does.
[02:44] <ScottK> Approaching infinity on my slower computer
[02:46] <mhb> ScottK: I fell asleep because of it :o) the downside is that my favourite method "try doing crazy stuff with the code and see if it helps" method fails here
[02:47] <stdin> Riddell: did you know kate is in kde4sdk in gutsy and in kde4base in feisty ?
[02:48] <Riddell> stdin: yes
[02:48] <stdin> any reason?
[02:49] <Riddell> changes in packages
[02:49] <Riddell> use the feisty-backports for new kde 4 packages
[02:49] <stdin> ah, ok
[02:54] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, there's one thing I wanted to discuss with you
[02:55] <mhb> Riddell: we should move some language pack files from gnome to a common package
[02:55] <mhb> Riddell: because gdebi and restricted-manager share their translations with their GNOME counterparts
[02:56] <Riddell> mhb: yes, I don't know how it's decided where they go, but talk to pitti and Arby about it (maybe after tribe 4)
[03:59] <toma_> Hi all, what's the best time to catch tonio ?
[04:00] <Riddell> hard to say, he's not on at regular times, only when he has spare time at work
[04:02] <toma_> Riddell: allright. I will mail him then
[04:54] <seele> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135545-c,linux/article.html
[04:56] <Riddell> "the apt-get packaging tool is very cool"  somehow I just can't see BT saying that to a journalist :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> !info libgcj8 gutsy
[05:12] <ubotu> Package libgcj8 does not exist in gutsy
[05:43] <manchicken_> Interesting.  The description field in adept updater seems to have been replaced by the maintainer string.
[05:48] <fabo> Riddell: for strigi feisty-backport, 0.5.5 tagged, you can skip 0.5.4
[05:50] <Riddell> oh, cool
[06:08] <ScottK> I've got a bzr branch of kdepim checked out.  What's the bzr magic to get all the changes from the trunk to resync my branch?  Help please?
[06:09] <Riddell> bzr merge
[06:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[06:10] <Riddell> ScottK: but I just uploaded kdepim and I entirely forgot about putting changes in bzr
[06:10] <Hobbsee> we should probably sanitize our bzr setup, at some point
[06:11] <ScottK> OK.
[06:11] <Riddell> ScottK: 3.5.7-1ubuntu7 it the latest
[06:11] <ScottK> OK.
[06:12] <ScottK> I guess I'll wait a bit and try again.
[06:12] <ScottK> I just got ubuntu6
[06:12] <Riddell> uploaded kdepim_3.5.7-1ubuntu7.diff.gz to kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdepim_3.5.7-1ubuntu7.diff.gz and .dsc
[06:13] <ScottK> Ah, not to the official repos yet?
[06:13] <ScottK> BTW, kdepim (4:3.5.7-1ubuntu4) is the last version in bzr.
[06:14] <Riddell> yes to the offical archive, but the publisher won't run for another 50 minutes
[06:16] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:57] <mhb> In my opinion, the current Kubuntu buttons could use some facelifting. IMHO the gradient is unnecessary (and not so good looking), the minimize/maximize/close signs are out of line and also stretched horizontally too much.
[06:59] <mhb> I've got a screenshot that illustrates it - http://bayimg.com/MAfDCAabf . You can easily notice the strangely positioned signs within the buttons. The comparison buttons are Mirage buttons, IMO more sober, without too much gradient and all in line.
[07:01] <mhb> kwwii: ^^ it would be interesting for me to hear your opinion on the buttons. I know you made them and I appreciate that, so don't take my personal opinion too much :o)
[07:02] <mhb> and I'd like to hear from others too, whether they'd appreciate some changes in the buttons or not. Thanks!
[07:03] <ScottK> mhb: Why are you making buttons and not fixing Konsole...
[07:03] <ScottK> ;-)
[07:04] <lnxkde> sup
[07:05] <mhb> ScottK: it's not even my creation. I'm like thousands of others who can criticise, but cannot create anything with value.
[07:05] <mhb> ScottK: luckily, GPL art is free to copy :o)
[07:06] <ScottK> Enough fun.  Back to work.
[07:06] <mhb> ScottK: but you're right. I better go check if the python-kde3 compilation finished.
[07:33] <Riddell> "Accepting restricted-manager,restricted-manager_0.25_i386"  mhb ^^
[08:06] <mhb> Riddell: groovy
[09:02] <mhb> is 'kamera' used by anything?
[09:03] <mhb> If not, I would vote for removing it from kubuntu-desktop Recommends. Digikam doesn't seem to depend on it.
[09:04] <Riddell> I use it all the time
[09:07] <mhb> Riddell: well, I can't argue against that.
[09:10] <mhb> Riddell: well, I could say an archive admin and professional GNU/Linux developer could be skilled enough to apt-get install it, and there are other tools that could benefit the common user more than a KIO slave, but I won't :o)
[09:10] <Riddell> one day I might give digikam another go
[09:14] <mhb> Riddell: we could drop (understand: demote from the CD) more kio slaves now that konqueror will be profiled as a web browser
[09:14] <mhb> Riddell: kio-apt, or kio-locate (if strigi will be in gutsy)
[09:23] <Riddell> yeah, I'd like to drop kio-locate
[09:23] <Riddell> but we'll see, when strigi 1.5.5 is in
[09:23] <Riddell> fdoving: was there a new kio-apt I was to upload?
[09:24] <Riddell> I wonder if anyone uses kio-apt
[09:24] <Riddell> gdebi and adept should be good enough
[09:24] <mhb> I guess everyone who uses kio-apt is able to manage apt-get as well
[09:24] <mhb> or adept
[09:42] <mhb> offtopic: ooh, reading apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop really is interesting. I never knew there is an adaptive readahead tool in Ubuntu. Why isn't it turned on by default?
[09:42] <Riddell> nixternal: did you write the main inclusion report for kvxkb?
[09:43] <Riddell> mhb: because you have to make the list of files to readahead at some point, and that slows down bootup (once)
[09:52] <kwwii> mhb: one thing that that screenshot cannot show is the mouse-over effects
[09:58] <mhb> kwwii: those are nice, but they can be added to many kinds of buttons. I was talking more about the general appearance.
[09:59] <kwwii> mhb: you really like the look you posted more than the blue?
[09:59] <fdoving> Riddell: there is a new kio-apt, but i guess we should consider removing it, in favour of some apt:/install=package kind of thing, which i read ubuntu is experimenting with.
[10:05] <Riddell> fdoving: url?
[10:05] <mhb> kwwii: I really like the buttons' appearance more in some ways I talked about. Colours are fine.
[10:05] <mhb> kwwii: I like your colour selection, I was just experimenting when I made the screen shot.
[10:05] <kwwii> I cannot imagine using the grey buttons on a blue background
[10:05] <mhb> kwwii: me neither (much), but I can imagine a button with signs in line and buttons with less gradients on a blue background :o)
[10:05] <kwwii> mhb: are there versions ready to be used in the blue theme?
[10:12] <mhb> kwwii: the buttons were cut from a screenshot of a GTK theme and inserted into the Crystal kwin theme.
[10:15] <fdoving> Riddell: kio-apt: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/gutsy/ it's kio-apt_0.13.2-2ubuntu2, apturl, the fancy project: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apt-firefox-archive-handler
[10:15] <kwwii> mhb: lol, that is a long way from getting into kde :p
[10:15] <mhb> kwwii: so they can be adapted as much as the current ones can
[10:15] <kwwii> mhb: make a theme using them, you might be right that they are better
[10:15] <mhb> kwwii: okay, I'll try. Thanks for the support!
[10:25] <nixternal> Riddell: not yet on the kvkbd MIR...how much time do we have left? or does this need to be done now?
[10:26] <nixternal> I was thinking about seeing where he got on the 1 button access/macros
[10:26] <nixternal> as it stands, the kvkbd display has the num pad now and is also resizable
[10:32] <Riddell> two weeks
[10:35] <mhb> Riddell: if we're going to promote kvkbd into main, then there's little need to code onboard-qt, is there?
[10:35] <Riddell> mhb: onboard is a much nicer app, I'd much rather see it as our chosen app if it exists
[10:36] <mhb> Riddell: I still can't launch it without a segfault, can you?
[10:40] <Riddell> works for me mhb
[10:40] <Riddell> mhb: try for a new user?
[10:47] <nixternal> Riddell: OK, if I don't hear anything back about kvkbd's status, I will go ahead and get the ball rolling on the MIR. I will get it typed up and what not so it is ready in the mean time
[10:47] <mhb> Riddell: two computers with different architectures (both gutsy) ... two segfaults
[11:07] <mhb> kwwii: http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/mirage-theme-test1.png
[11:08] <kwwii> mhb: I would want the buttons to blend into the background color...the grey buttons is quite retro
[11:15] <Riddell> mhb: try running onboard-settings
[11:15] <Riddell> and select a layout
[11:15] <mhb> Riddell: thank you. That worked.
[11:15] <mhb> kwwii: okay, I will try.
[11:15] <Riddell> mhb: you can now run onboard?
[11:15] <mhb> Riddell: yes, selecting "scan" layout helped.
[11:22] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, I wonder how that doesn't affect more people
[11:24] <ScottK> nixternal: Just got the latest taskjuggler sync'ed from Debian (it was you that mentioned that, wasn't it?)
[11:25] <nixternal> mhb: when using Qt 4 Designer, do you pyuic4 the files or is there a way to read the .ui files natively?
[11:25] <nixternal> ScottK: yes
[11:25] <ScottK> We still had the 2.4 beta and now it's the final.
[11:25] <mhb> nixternal: you can read them natively
[11:26] <nixternal> do you import the same way you would a .py file?
[11:26] <nixternal> from foo.ui import foo
[11:27] <mhb> nixternal: no, you load it using the uic module
[11:27] <mhb> from PyQt4 import uic
[11:27] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:34] <mhb> window = uic.LoadUi("pathtoui.ui")
[11:34] <nixternal> rock on!
[11:43] <stdin> are there any other (packaged) kde4 plasmoids yet?
[11:45] <Riddell> no


[01:10] <ADAG10> Evenin' ladies and/or gents.,
[01:11] <ADAG10> Bah, can't type.
[01:12] <greg-g> 'eve
[01:19] <ADAG10> Phew. I nearly ended up blackholing all my traffic...
[01:30] <ADAG10> Damn, near black-holed my traffic installing MVPS' hosts file...
[14:59] <cmaloney> Goodmorning
[14:59] <brousch__> shovelmorning
[14:59] <cmaloney> I did my shoveling yesterday
[15:00] <cmaloney> I'm done for the year.
[15:00] <brousch__> moar
[15:01] <cmaloney> Nooooooooooooooooooo
[18:46] <rick_h_> party party


[00:03] <mr-day> hi
[00:03] <tsimonq2> Hey hey
[00:03] <mr-day> ^^ i wanna ask, how to remove login screen on first boot
[00:05] <tsimonq2> mr-day: So just log in right away?
[00:06] <tsimonq2> mr-day: This might work: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_autologin
[00:10] <mr-day> tsimonq2: i'm confused on autologin group, is lubuntu dont have gui settings?
[00:10] <tsimonq2> mr-day: Not for this particular thing, no.
[00:11] <tsimonq2> mr-day: Although if you open a terminal and run `sudo nano FILE` where FILE is the file it specifies to edit, you should be good.
[00:16] <xympos> uhh what
[00:16] <xympos> hello :O
[00:16] <tsimonq2> Hey xympos, how's it going?
[00:16] <xympos> oh well.... not good ill tell you that V_V
[00:17] <xympos> im like... idk 90% sure that something is wrong with this iso
[00:17] <tsimonq2> Did you verify the checksum before you tried using it?
[00:17] <xympos> yup. ive tried everything
[00:17] <xympos> shall i begin listing things now?
[00:18] <tsimonq2> Sure
[00:18] <xympos> well to start off.... i tried the 64bit iso and the alternate
[00:18] <xympos> then i noticed the alt was half the size
[00:18] <xympos> i verfied md5 for both with those provided on the official site
[00:18] <xympos> they match
[00:18] <xympos> then when i toss the alt in any system the built in integrity check always fails it
[00:19] <xympos> to be fair i only tried rufus for tossing it onto a usb but the usb is known good
[00:19] <tsimonq2> Hm, what system are you using to put the ISO on the disk?
[00:19] <xympos> but im not worried about the alt because thats a whole diffsou
[00:19] <xympos> win 10 1709
[00:19] <xympos> whole diff soup of nonsense*
[00:20] <xympos> back to the main 64 bit iso
[00:20] <xympos> the md5 matches and it passes the verify test thats built in
[00:20] <xympos> great right? lets install
[00:21] <xympos> soon as it gets to grub2 package it fails with... let me grab the error but im sure you can guess
[00:21] <xympos> grub efi amd64 signed package failed to install into target
[00:22] <xympos> and im like. what? this is a stripped version of ubuntu
[00:22] <xympos> which btw installs just fine. on both machines. with the same flash drive. using same rufus
[00:22] <xympos> man i tried it all
[00:23] <xympos> manually using gparted to make partitions. one machine is uefi w secure boot one is uefi w/o secure boot (back when win 7 was just getting into uefi)
[00:23] <wxl> what's up tsimonq2 ?
[00:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: Have had some interesting support questions today :)
[00:24] <xympos> i made efi partitions with the right flags, i made bios grub partition flags
[00:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: This is one where I'm a bit unsure as well
[00:24] <xympos> i even tried to install ubuntu and use its grub to piggyback "install alongside ubuntu"
[00:24] <xympos> i tried wiping all but the grub partition from ubuntu as well
[00:24] <wxl> if it's efi i don't have a lot of experience :(
[00:25] <xympos> and after all that i had the sense to try to do it on my fairly new machine and still nothing
[00:25] <xympos> im telling you that iso is faulty
[00:25] <xympos> as magical as it seems its like noone tested it or something V_V
[00:25] <wxl> which iso is this?
[00:26] <xympos> and i work as a tech so i mean.... im hoping you guys have more insight. ive asked my buddies no one has a clue
[00:26] <xympos> well tbh sadly BOTH the 64bit and the 64bit alt
[00:26] <wxl> which version?
[00:26] <xympos> 17.10
[00:26] <wxl> did you check the hashes?
[00:26] <xympos> dang. its like being transfered in comcast
[00:27] <xympos> XD
[00:27] <xympos> yes i checked the hashes >.<
[00:27] <wxl> and you checked the image at the grub menu
[00:27] <tsimonq2> xympos: Honestly, you'd be surprised how many people *don't* check the hashes :P
[00:27] <tsimonq2> That's why it's the first question we ask with that sort of thing.
[00:28] <xympos> yeah i know i know XD im just like.. confused by this irc. i havent had much irc experience so im wondering why it doesnt show history in this channel
[00:28] <xympos> hash match for both isos. integrity fails for 64bit alt but passes for 64 main link.
[00:28] <xympos> which is SUPER weird.
[00:28] <wxl> if the integrity fails you have a copy error
[00:29] <wxl> hashes just check for a download error
[00:29] <xympos> how so
[00:29] <wxl> you should be able to recopy the alt and make it work
[00:29] <xympos> copy from where to where
[00:29] <wxl> from the iso to the media you copy it to
[00:30] <xympos> and what copy error would you be reffering to?
[00:30] <xympos> well it seems to have a copy error every time. i tried several usbs diff brands
[00:30] <wxl> what did you use to copy it?
[00:30] <xympos> im sure their chips are still all the same though V_V
[00:30] <xympos> rufus 2.18p
[00:30] <wxl> uh
[00:30] <wxl> yeah well supposedly rufus works but i've seen a lot of problems
[00:30] <wxl> dd works 99.99999999% of the time
[00:31] <wxl> everything else is maybe 50%
[00:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: He's on win10
[00:31] <wxl> but clearly you're on windows and i don't know about how that works
[00:31] <xympos> but thats besides the point thats the alt iso which for whatever reason is half the size of regular iso. not an "alt link" or mirror to the download. how thats not explained idk nor why
[00:31] <wxl> the alt iso has a lot less
[00:31] <xympos> so agin back to the main iso
[00:31] <xympos> hash and integrity pass
[00:32] <wxl> ok so what's the problem again?
[00:32] <xympos> grub efi amd64 signed package failed to install into target
[00:33] <wxl> so the install went along fine until the ned?
[00:33] <xympos> yup
[00:34] <xympos> my only regret is not trying it on my infinitely much faster laptop so i could see the error in 1 min instead of the 10-15 min wait on the old machine that its meant for V_V
[00:34] <xympos> not trying it tillthe end that is... i did try it... same thing
[00:35] <xympos> if someone could load that iso on a real machine (as i am out of machines) that could make me feel better
[00:35] <xympos> i mean i guess i could give vm a try but i feel like i wouldnt trust those results
[00:38] <xympos> ill give vmbox a go real quick
[00:38] <wxl> what type of install are you doing xympos ?
[00:39] <xympos> hopefully i cang et back into this channel after i patch this network interface to the vm
[00:39] <xympos> what you mean by type?
[00:39] <wxl> like did you request any sort of encryption or anything?
[00:39] <xympos> direct install off the usb without loading to desktop
[00:39] <xympos> i tried both
[00:39] <xympos> lvm and no encryption
[00:39] <wxl> did you try just the standard setup?
[00:39] <wxl> so no lvm and no encryption?
[00:40] <xympos> right
[00:40] <xympos> i gave all options a try xD
[00:40] <wxl> and that still failed? weird
[00:40] <xympos> indeed
[00:44] <xympos> ok vm set up here we go fingers crossed
[00:44] <wxl> xympos: can you get the install back to where it was and then look at the logs? i belive it's on virtual terminal 3 or 4
[00:45] <wxl> i expect the problem to Just Work™ on a vm as it will likely not be UEFI
[00:45] <wxl> and that signed binary indicates it's a UEFI thing
[00:46] <xympos> i can try to look at logs but what would i look for? those machines have no oob networking
[00:46] <xympos> well i guess i could just bridge my laptop to it >.>
[00:47] <wxl> the error should be at the end and should be pretty obvious
[00:47] <wxl> but i have seen errors in the past that were somehow caused by a lack of networking
[00:48] <xympos> that could make sense for a new install on some random machine
[00:48] <xympos> but when ubuntu 17.10 installs fine and lubuntu dosent... i think a diff issue is at hand
[00:48] <wxl> it's certainly not the intention
[00:50] <tsimonq2> xympos: One more thing, if you could.
[00:50] <xympos> i would highly prefer to install lubuntu uefi - as it should be capable of doing
[00:50] <xympos> i could try doing full bios / csm instal
[00:50] <xympos> yes?
[00:50] <wxl> it should work without problem
[00:50] <tsimonq2> xympos: Try booting into the live instance, opening a terminal, and running this: `sudo apt update && sudo apt install grub-efi-amd64-signed shim-signed`
[00:50] <wxl> but if we had that log it would be easy to figure out the problem
[00:51] <tsimonq2> xympos: If the install works after that, you've found a bug.
[00:51] <wxl> tsimonq2: based on my recent xenial→zesty upgrade, shim-signed is no longer needed
[00:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: How so?
[00:52] <xympos> with no networking what would it update from?
[00:52] <wxl> the shim is no longer necessary
[00:52] <xympos> and you want me to do that from > load to desktop ? or just scroll over to a desktop and pop a terminal
[00:52] <xympos> if the bug is installng lubuntu as a whole then i say its  a pretty big bug
[00:52] <xympos> btw.. the virtual machine install totally didnt work at all . el oh el
[00:53] <xympos> it fails worse than my computers.
[00:53] <wxl> how is that?
[00:53] <tsimonq2> xympos: Actually, apologies, I've eliminated that as being the problem.
[00:53] <xympos> i did use vm to verify integrity it passed.
[00:53] <xympos> after i pres install it just goes white noise / scanline style nonsense
[00:54] <xympos> im pretty sure i didnt set up vmbox incorrectly i mean its kinda impossible
[00:54] <wxl> that's probably some issues with the graphics driver
[00:54] <wxl> it's happened before with virtual machines of all kinds
[00:54] <xympos> hmmm
[00:54] <xympos> well i can dedicate a gpu to it possible one sc
[00:55] <wxl> *driver* not resources
[00:56] <xympos> no no it fixed it
[00:56] <xympos> im in the installer now
[00:56] <xympos> as im going through the installer i can mention a couple more things
[00:57] <xympos> i have never tried installing 3rd party drivers etc during any of the installs. - if that could help (although it shouldn't)
[01:00] <xympos> cuz the vm was using software to render right . by givingit a dedicated resource it could use actual driver? no ? idk :O
[01:01] <wxl> tsimonq2: `apt rdepends shim-signed` shows nothing. i.e. nothing depends on it.
[01:02] <tsimonq2> right
[01:02] <tsimonq2> hm
[01:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: Except it's still seeded in Bionic...
[01:02] <xympos> the vm installed it fine
[01:02] <wxl> yeah that's probably a mistake
[01:02] <wxl> s/mistake/oversight/
[01:02] <wxl> i bet you no installed system has it on there or at least it's set to autoremove
[01:03] <xympos> so do you want me to get the install going to see the logs at the end when loads me into desktop?
[01:04] <wxl> xympos: yes. start with a no-lvm no-encryption install
[01:04] <xympos> sure. but since i cant do it on this system will take like 10 min hopefully less on older machine
[01:05] <wxl> ko
[01:06] <xympos> btw my rufus is set to gpt for uefi and system is uefi (no secure boot)
[01:06] <xympos> hdd in gpt
[01:12] <xympos> its going. update you guys in 5 mins
[01:12] <tsimonq2> Ok
[01:19] <xympos> alright im at the bug report right after the installer
[01:19] <xympos> if the file is logged somewhere on the live session i cang et it
[01:19] <wxl> so flip through the virtual terminals ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f2, etc. until you see the logs
[01:19] <wxl> you din't turn it off did you?? :(
[01:20] <xympos> no no i still have it up
[01:21] <xympos> theres nothing up to terminal 7 and f2-f4 is not a terminal shortcut but i guess i can try past 7
[01:22] <xympos> yeah nothing in terminals at all nor the desktops.
[01:23] <wxl> wth
[01:23] <xympos> just the send problem report to developer screen
[01:23] <wxl> can you get to a terminal at all?
[01:23] <xympos> i can see packages dependencies hookerror source
[01:23] <xympos> if i click send it wil put me in live session so yeah
[01:23] <xympos> also doing ctrl alt f5 will put me in terminal its just blank
[01:30] <xympos> i stepped into the live desktop but here are a couple snaps of main screen after and what seemed to be relevant info . let me know if you need something else also brb gonna grab a bite
[01:31] <xympos> https://imgur.com/a/910vh
[01:54] <xympos> well im back... any news?
[01:58] <wxl> xympos: open up the terminal and look in /var/log. dmesg, syslog, or perhaps some installer log might get us what we're looking for
[02:09] <xympos> i can try ... uhhh will be a few min
[02:24] <xympos> im looking at the syslog file now
[02:24] <xympos> i can try to post it ina sec
[02:24] <xympos> "unable to to locate package shim-signed" since you mentioned it earlier
[02:30] <xympos> well here it is ... im not sure what more i could get
[02:30] <xympos> http://text-share.com/view/8e678dc1#L8
[02:32] <xympos> starting at line 1558 i think ...
[02:34] <xympos> from what it looks like it gives it another attempt over network... perhaps i can solve this issue if im connected during installation :v but i definitely dont feel like that should be a prerequisite for installing lubuntu
[02:44] <xympos_> Uhh yeah so if you guys have any insight let me know
[02:45] <xympos_> I’m going to lay down or sleep but I’ll leave my pc on so leave your ideas on here I’ll definitely look for it when I wake up (ctrl-f : xympos)
[02:45] <xympos_> Thanks :)
[02:46] <tsimonq2> o/
[03:24] <mrchuckderp> hey tsimonq2
[03:24] <tsimonq2> yo
[03:24] <tsimonq2> What's up mrchuckderp?
[03:25] <mrchuckderp> just updating you about earlier
[03:25] <mrchuckderp> so: the problem is, I can't find a boot disc for windows 7 but when I do I can fix the problem. My dad went to college for computers and he said back then he made basically the same mistakes BUT he had a boot disc for literally everything lol
[03:26] <mrchuckderp> so currently I'm looking for either a boot disk or getting an iso
[03:27] <tsimonq2> So you can boot into the installed Lubuntu right? Try doing that, opening a terminal, `sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sdX` where /dev/sdX is replaced by the disk name of the main hard drive
[03:27] <tsimonq2> It *should* find Windows 7
[03:27] <mrchuckderp> YES
[03:27] <mrchuckderp> oops
[03:28] <mrchuckderp> I can boot into it, and actually I'm currently in the installer usb because the other one still has no internet
[03:29] <mrchuckderp> well then
[03:30] <mrchuckderp> lol the product key on the back of my pc,
[03:30] <mrchuckderp> I put it into the microsoft website and apparently it's "only for preinstalled software" whatever that means
[03:30] <mrchuckderp> well I'll do what I can. Have a good night
[07:38] <El_> Hi. I need help setting up Lubuntu 16.04.3 (Alternate) on my ancient MSI Wind U100 Netbook.
[07:40] <El_> During install it couldn't do the "DHCP network autoconfiguration.
[07:40] <El_> Should I configure it manually? And if so - how?
[07:41] <tsimonq2> El_: I'm about to head to bed, but if you stick around and maybe try #ubuntu, I'm sure you'll get an answer :)
[07:43] <El_> Okay. Thanks
[14:09] <LargePrime> hello.  i am looking for a dark theme for lubuntu 17.10.  desire maximum dark backgrounds please
[16:52] <En> Hi, which version to dowload for Atom 280 1,66 GHz, 1GB RAM, 160GB HD, VGA LCD screen (old ASUS Eee PC 1000HE)? Thanks
[16:59] <JohnDoe_71Rus> start 14.04.5
[17:00] <xympos> hello
[17:00] <xympos> so any news?
[17:02] <JohnDoe_71Rus> the earth is still spinning
[17:03] <xympos> oh i meant on this issue i came across
[17:03] <xympos> a couple people were attempting to help me out but we couldnt get anything to work
[17:03] <En> sorry. I get message "no root file system defined"?
[17:05] <xympos> did you manually select a partition En? because the partition needs to be ex4 not NTFS or FAT32
[17:07] <En> I tried to reformat to ex4 but it doesn't work. How could I do it from USB with full reformating of HDD?
[17:07] <xympos> if anyone can help out with this error: http://text-share.com/view/8e678dc1#L8 line 1558 . verified hash and disc integrity
[17:08] <xympos> during the installation there will be an option that says  erase disk and install lubuntu. that will do everythig for you including reformatting the hdd.
[17:09] <xympos> its not the default option so you will have to click on it
[17:10] <xympos> i would recommend using rufus 2.18p to put the iso on your flash drive . make sure you verify hashes and check disc integrity before proceeding w/ the installation
[17:10] <En> Thanks, but I am stopped before this screen !?!
[17:12] <xympos> this should be before the partitioning screen. so if you think youre stopped before the one im talking about then what is the screen right before it stops you?
[17:13] <En> I select language, then I get partitions screen, I ask for change into ex4 and then...
[17:13] <xympos> what iso is this? 14.04.5?
[17:14] <En> 14.04.3
[17:16] <tsimonq2> xympos: Actually, yes, I think I know what your problem is. Do you have internet access on the machine you're installing it on?
[17:16] <xympos> could you link me the iso ?
[17:17] <tsimonq2> En: 14.04.3 or 16.04.3? Those are drastically different, and we recommend going with 16.04.3.
[17:17] <xympos> no i dont. i did see it fail to install grub and trya network install after which ofc i dont have .
[17:18] <xympos> i was going to try bridging my laptop to it to see if network would solve it, but that "fix" should not be a requirement. not everyone has access to internet
[17:18] <tsimonq2> xympos: Actually here's what I'd recommend for you at this point... Try installing Lubuntu 16.04 LTS and upgrading.
[17:18] <xympos> sadly all my wifi cards arent oob compatible
[17:19] <tsimonq2> xympos: Thanks to the work we did last night, I figured out that 17.10 shipped without some important packages and I'm sorting that out.
[17:19] <xympos> yeah my issue isnt getting lubuntu to work, its understanding the problem
[17:19] <En> I wil try lubuntu. Thanks.
[17:19] <tsimonq2> En: You're welcome :)
[17:20] <tsimonq2> xympos: So the problem you have is on us, actually.
[17:20] <xympos> yeah i said that off the start
[17:20] <tsimonq2> heh
[17:20] <xympos> theres something wrong w the iso
[17:20] <xympos> i was like
[17:20] <xympos> how the f**** did no one test this
[17:20] <xympos> XD
[17:20] <xympos> or maybe more surprising how has no one reported it
[17:20] <tsimonq2> No but I'm kicking myself because I'm the release manager who marked these as ready >_<
[17:21] <tsimonq2> That's what I'm saying!
[17:21] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:21] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-14-04-5/
[17:21] <xympos> but then again it did work on vm which is... questionable
[17:21] <wxl> hardware testing doesn't happen as much as it should
[17:21] <tsimonq2> But yeah xympos, these packages aren't installed by default: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.artful/view/head:/ship-live-share
[17:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: Agreed
[17:21] <tsimonq2> xympos: The reason why it works in a VM is that UEFI isn't required for virtual machines
[17:22] <xympos> and even when ubuntu is stripped to lubuntu i would have thought the base was untouched
[17:22] <wxl> also uefi is relatively new while lubuntu targets old machines
[17:22] <tsimonq2> It's a little bit more complicated than that -- the way that the Lubuntu packages work, we don't pull in the packages that are recommended by the packages we already pull in, if that makes sense.
[17:22] <xympos> since ubuntu worked fine i figured lubuntu is just a modified iso at best.. not wholly recompiled but thats fine
[17:23] <tsimonq2> Not recompiled, just swapping in different blocks is how I see it :)
[17:23] <tsimonq2> Anyways
[17:23] <tsimonq2> Try the 16.04 ISO
[17:23] <wxl> o
[17:23] <wxl> oops
[17:24] <xympos> yeah my buddy tld me that too
[17:24] <xympos> and i said
[17:25] <xympos> yeah why dont i just install win 10 1503 and upgrade to 1709 through windows updates
[17:25] <xympos> boooo :C i hate updating that much
[17:25] <xympos> ill just wait till a rerelease of an iso
[17:26] <xympos> "found bug" is now crossed off my bucket list
[17:26] <tsimonq2> xympos: Fwiw once you install 16.04 you can either stay with it and get support until 2019, or it's just one upgrade that takes maybe an hour or two and you're on 17.10.
[17:26] <tsimonq2> XD
[17:28] <xympos> the reason i dont want upgrades is tbh the registry issues that come with them in windows. ofc this isnt windows and im not even sure if linux has similar registries and whatnot
[17:28] <xympos> and im sure the upgrade will take like 15 mins at most
[17:28] <xympos> my hardware isnt that old`
[17:29] <xympos> just wanted to try lubuntu thats all :O
[17:29] <tsimonq2> I've been using Linux for a solid 3 years and updates have *never* been as horrible as Windows
[17:29] <tsimonq2> wxl has been using it for longer and I think he can agree
[17:29] <tsimonq2> But yeah, sorry that you had to be the one to come across this bug :/
[17:30] <tsimonq2> But we also need more people on our QA team if you're interested :P
[17:30] <xympos> ill save the hash and check lubuntu to see when an new one is posted and ill know all is well
[17:30] <xympos> well i mean~
[17:30] <tsimonq2> Sure, I hope it's possible
[17:30] <xympos> do i get official recognition :O
[17:30] <xympos> like on lubuntu site :O
[17:30] <xympos> aka sometin to slap on mah resume :)
[17:30] <xympos> buahahha
[17:31] <xympos> tbh i thought there were pleanty of people to help out but if there isnt i wouldnt mind helping
[17:32] <tsimonq2> Yeah that's been our problem lately
[17:32] <xympos> this could be a good experience for linux+ cert. lel XD
[17:33] <tsimonq2> People haven't been around in the Lubuntu community (where we can see) testing edge cases (which, tbh, for Lubuntu, UEFI *is* an edge case) and then people yell at us when things break
[17:33] <tsimonq2> XD
[17:34] <xympos> i do have one other question : what can you tell me about the firefox that comes w linux? any news of firefox quantum going to it too or is the one made for linux a seperate build?
[17:34] <xympos> like maybe it doesnt get updated often for stability?
[17:34] <tsimonq2> New release of Firefox go to all supported releases of Ubuntu quickly
[17:35] <tsimonq2> While I don't really agree with that 100%, that's what happens
[17:35] <tsimonq2> (usually within 72 hours although that varies)
[17:35] <xympos> oh that is quick
[17:35] <tsimonq2> For example right now Quantum is in Ubuntu
[17:35] <tsimonq2> (i.e. Lubuntu)
[17:35] <xympos> not in the iso but availble for update right
[17:37] <tsimonq2> RIght
[17:37] <xympos> because ubuntu doesnt update their image regularly - only like major releases? or is there a repository somewhere with an updated image? kind of like parted magic does - just updates every dependency whenever has a changelog and litterly new iso every month (been slower recently)
[17:37] <tsimonq2> Except new LTS point releases get it
[17:38] <tsimonq2> Riiight, well with LTS we still have daily builds but you're kinda meant to install it and update when packages are available to update to :)
[17:38] <xympos> that "riiiight"
[17:38] <xympos> V_V
[17:39] <xympos> if lubuntu is an official flavor does cononical "own" lubuntu
[17:40] <tsimonq2> They own the trademark but employees don't work on it.
[17:40] <xympos> are you an employee or a volunteer?
[17:40] <tsimonq2> Volunteer
[17:42] <xympos> cool
[17:42] <xympos> im prbably gona try a networked install in a few mins here but i have to clean up , apraisal man coming over
[17:42] <tsimonq2> xympos: Yeah but if you'd like to help us with QA before the releases, I'd recommend subscribing to lubuntu-devel here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-devel and sticking around in #lubuntu-devel, whether it be with your current IRC setup, Telegram, or Matrix
[17:42] <tsimonq2> Sure
[17:43] <tsimonq2> Aaaaaaaaaactually, that might work...
[17:44] <xympos> yeah thats whyi was gon try it
[17:44] <xympos> still should have packages in the iso though
[17:45] <tsimonq2> Right
[17:53] <wxl> true story http://www.stickycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/update_for_your_computer.jpg
[17:53] <tsimonq2> Right
[17:53] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:54] <wxl> tl;dr don't base decisions about linux on your experience with another OS
[19:51] <mrchuckderp> After installing Lubuntu alongside Windows 7, I get this when I try to boot back into Windows.
[19:51] <mrchuckderp> error: unknown filesystem
[19:51] <mrchuckderp> entering rescue mode...
[19:51] <mrchuckderp> grub rescue>
[19:51] <wxl> mrchuckderp: did you check the hashes?
[19:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: shush he did
[19:51] <wxl> :)
[19:51] <tsimonq2> He's that friendly guy from yesterday :)
[19:51] <mrchuckderp> Hey-o
[19:51] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: Can you boot into Lubuntu?
[19:51] <mrchuckderp> yes
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Do you have internet access there?
[19:52] <mrchuckderp> Kind of
[19:52] <tsimonq2> How so? :)
[19:52] <mrchuckderp> I am in the installer lubuntu because the original one still doesn't have internet and I have been busy all day so didn't have time to look into it much
[19:52] <mrchuckderp> I'm on Pidgin
[19:53] <mrchuckderp> I at least need to boot into windows ONCE because then my father is very experienced in cmd and if we can boot once we can fix it forever lol
[19:53] <mrchuckderp> Cus he looked at the grub rescue commands and was so confused
[19:54] <mrchuckderp> Also what are hashes? I've heard of them but never really learned what they were
[19:55] <tsimonq2> wxl is the hashes guy ;)
[19:55] <mrchuckderp> mmk :-D
[19:56] <tsimonq2> OH
[19:56] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[19:57] <mrchuckderp> OK
[19:57] <tsimonq2> That might help you quite a bit
[19:57] <mrchuckderp> ok
[19:58] <mrchuckderp> Oh yeah I forgot to ask
[19:58] <mrchuckderp> Is there a way to undo exactly what boot-repair did basically?
[19:58] <mrchuckderp> like a direct undo
[19:59] <tsimonq2> Not really, why?
[19:59] <mrchuckderp> mk
[19:59] <mrchuckderp> well I would just like to restart my lubuntu installation or something
[20:00] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: If you go to that link it gives you instructions to do what you're talking about ;)
[20:00] <mrchuckderp> OK thanks again
[20:00] <tsimonq2> np :)
[20:02] <mrchuckderp> Another sad thing is that last time something wrong with this computer it was me doing basically the same thing but with a big chunk of space. lol it was a 5TB external hard drive and I was planning on making a small partition (like 100GB) for installing a ubuntu or red hat or something on it and then it messed up the entire thing and so I lost all the data...
[20:02] <mrchuckderp> But I fixed it
[20:02] <mrchuckderp> :D
[20:03] <mrchuckderp> but there wasn't much on it anyway so that's good
[20:03] <mrchuckderp> One other problem that happened
[20:03] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: The hard thing about doing this sort of support over IRC (at least for me) is that I could bang this out in 30 seconds or a minute but it's really hard to describe the steps that I go through to fix the thing sometimes :/
[20:04] <mrchuckderp> Yeah I understand. It's sad really
[20:04] <mrchuckderp> I booted up windows after doing something (I don't remember) and then it just said "error loading operating system BootMGR is missing ctrl + alt + del to restart" and that was it
[20:04] <mrchuckderp> you couldn't do anything
[20:06] <mrchuckderp> that was it and so we had to boot into 7 with a USB (this pc was actually win10 at the time) and we had to take the important stuff off and move it to the thumb drive. All in terminal, no graphics to see what we were moving
[20:06] <mrchuckderp> k I'm done venting lol
[20:07] <mrchuckderp> oo gotta go. good talking to you and thanks for the link!
[20:07] <tsimonq2> yw, cya :)


[02:47] <cryptopsy> how do i stop launchpad from emailing me everything single activity in my project's bugtrack ?
[02:47] <lifeless> cryptopsy: create a bug supervisor
[02:47] <cryptopsy> whaT?
[02:47] <cryptopsy> i just joined to change bug statuses, i dont want all this verbose
[02:47] <lifeless> also check you're not subscribed
[02:47] <cryptopsy> where?
[02:48] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/PROJECT/+subscriptions
[02:48] <cryptopsy> page doesnt exist
[02:48] <lifeless> replace PROJECT with your project name
[02:48] <cryptopsy> k
[02:48] <cryptopsy> will i still be part of the project if i un-subscribe
[02:48] <cryptopsy> ?
[02:49] <cryptopsy> no susbscriptions appearing there
[02:49] <cryptopsy> so now what?
[02:49] <cryptopsy> i'm supposed to create a 'bug supervisor' and that's going to stop sending me all the mails?
[02:49] <lifeless> lets check a little further. Can you show me a bug that mailed you ?
[02:49] <lifeless> And what is your LP username
[02:50] <cryptopsy> i don't have any
[02:50] <cryptopsy> i've deleted them all, but i get every single little activity, any post to any thread in the list
[02:50] <lifeless> I'm confused, You said you were getting bugtracker emails ?
[02:50] <cryptopsy> yea
[02:50] <cryptopsy> the list of bugs
[02:51] <cryptopsy> where people post
[02:51] <wgrant> What's your Launchpad username?
[02:51] <cryptopsy> probably cryptopsy
[02:51] <StevenK> It's in the top corner
[02:51] <StevenK> top *right* corner, sorry
[02:52] <cryptopsy> it says cryptopsy there
[02:52] <wgrant> In parentheses?
[02:52] <wgrant> Oh.
[02:52] <wgrant> I used the wrong URL.
[02:52] <wgrant> There we are.
[02:52] <cryptopsy> btw it's not my project
[02:52] <wgrant> midori?
[02:53] <cryptopsy> yes
[02:53] <cryptopsy> well i don't know
[02:53] <cryptopsy> the group is 'midori devs'
[02:53] <cryptopsy> but PROJECT in the url we visited earlier is 'midori'
[02:54] <cryptopsy> am i supposed to unsubscribe by putting a fake email address? some systems work that way
[02:55] <cryptopsy> i am active in the project still but i don't want the mass emails
[02:55] <wgrant> cryptopsy: So, the problem here is that midori doesn't have its bug supervisor set, so it defaults to emailing the owner, which is the Midori Devs team. The bug supervisor is configured on <https://bugs.launchpad.net/midori/+edit-people>.
[02:55] <cryptopsy> so what should i do?
[02:57] <wgrant> You should ask a team admin (see <https://launchpad.net/~midori/+members>) to set the Midori Devs team as the bug supervisor on <https://bugs.launchpad.net/midori/+edit-people>. Then they can visit <<https://bugs.launchpad.net/midori/+subscriptions> to unsubscribe the team from bug email.
[02:58] <cryptopsy> thanks
[09:59] <shnatsel> hello everybody
[09:59] <shnatsel> looks like recipes are screwed up...
[09:59] <shnatsel> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/84414510/buildlog.txt.gz
[09:59] <shnatsel> bzr: ERROR: xmlrpc protocol error connecting to https://xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/: 403 Forbidden
[10:07] <wgrant> shnatsel: Thanks for letting us know. We're fixing.
[10:07] <wgrant> shnatsel: Should be fixed if you retry.
[10:08] <shnatsel> wgrant: thanks, trying again
[10:22] <shnatsel> wgrant: yes, it built. Thanks for the swift fix!
[10:23] <wgrant> shnatsel: np. Thanks for letting us know -- we just reverted a configuration change that broke things a few minutes before you reported it.
[14:01] <mwhudson> hi, what is the process for getting your site to be 'recognized by the launchpad login service' ?
[14:03] <wgrant> mwhudson: #canonical-isd is probably the best place to ask.
[14:04] <mwhudson> wgrant: ah right
[14:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:51] <iceroot> hi
[15:52] <iceroot> is there a way to link a url to a launchpad-bug? in this case  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1211290 to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502
[15:54] <mgariepy> hello is it possible to find the source package for a build that was made on launchpad if there is no link to the source package on the page ?
[16:04] <bigjools> mgariepy: what is the URL to the build?
[16:41] <broder> bah. how do i deal with http://paste.ubuntu.com/728300/ again?
[16:44] <tumbleweed> broder: you have a 2a branch locally?
[16:44] <nigelb> fun!
[16:44] <broder> maybe...let me just try again
[16:45] <tumbleweed> the remote branch is pack-0.92, so it has no rich-root
[17:03] <george_e> I have a stalled build:
[17:03] <george_e> https://launchpad.net/~askubuntu-tools/+archive/ppa/+build/2900183
[17:04] <bigjools> george_e: you can use a new feature of the webservice API to cancel it
[17:04] <george_e> How do I do that?
[17:04] <bigjools> have you used the webservice before?
[17:04] <george_e> Nope.
[17:05] <bigjools> let me knock something up
[17:07] <bigjools> there's a change coming that will let you cancel from the UI on Monday
[17:09] <bigjools> george_e: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/728331/
[17:09] <bigjools> run that in a python interpreter
[17:09] <george_e> Thanks.
[17:13] <george_e> bigjools: "ValueError: Unrecognized parameter(s): 'build_status'"
[17:13] <bigjools> george_e: sorry, "build_state"
[17:14] <bigjools> it was untested :)
[17:16] <george_e> Also, it's apparently "Currently building".
[17:16] <bigjools> well, there you go
[17:17] <george_e> Seems to have worked now.
[17:17] <bigjools> great
[17:17] <bigjools> you're the first person to use this new code
[17:17] <george_e> Wonderful - it looks neat.
[17:17] <bigjools> the UI will sprout a "cancel" link on Monday
[17:18] <george_e> Um... how long should it take to cancel?
[17:18] <bigjools> instant
[17:18] <bigjools> -ish
[17:19] <bigjools> might take a few seconds depending on how busy the build manager is
[17:19] <mgariepy> bigjools, https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/experimental/+build/2030560
[17:19] <george_e> Still cancelling...
[17:20] <bigjools> mgariepy: it tells you the source in the page
[17:20] <mgariepy> bigjools, yeah but there is no link to the files
[17:21] <george_e> https://launchpad.net/~askubuntu-tools/+archive/ppa/+build/2900183
[17:21] <george_e> Still cancelling... I think it's stuck.
[17:21] <bigjools> george_e: I'm checking it out
[17:22] <bigjools> mgariepy: the files expired because there's a newer build
[17:22] <mgariepy> so it's not possible to get the files then. thanks.
[17:22] <bigjools> indeed
[17:28] <mgariepy> thanks bigjools
[17:28] <bigjools> np
[17:52] <bigjools> george_e: ok it's unstuck
[17:52] <bigjools> you might want to re-do your build
[18:58] <icedwater> Anyone I can ask about adding a new translation team to launchpad?
[19:45] <Riddell> I'm trying to registered a team but I get "The name 'kubuntu-dev-owner' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators." why might this be?
[19:46] <beuno> Riddell, AFAIK, *ubuntu* teams/projects are blacklisted
[19:46] <beuno> and need to be created by admins
[19:46] <beuno> the usual process is to creat it with a different name and ask for it to be renamed
[19:55] <Riddell> hmm, that doesn't seem to be it "The name 'moo-dev-owner' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators."
[19:55] <Riddell> ok flibble worked
[23:59] <cryptopsy> where's the page where i forfeit my launchpad account, again?


[05:53] <junaidali> is there a command that can get the current focused model?
[05:54] <junaidali> ah, got it. I missed the show-model command
[07:42] <kjackal> good morning juju world!
[11:23] <rick_h> junaidali: yes, and if you list-models or just models the current one should have a * on it
[11:33] <anrah> Quick question about update-status hook
[11:33] <anrah> It seems when using reactive charms it runs all reactive decorators what are available then?
[11:34] <anrah> can I somehow avoid this?
[11:42] <kjackal> anrah: yes, supose you have a method that should be run only once. inside that method you should do something like set_state('method.called') and you should decorate that method with "when_not('method.called')"
[11:47] <anrah> so I can use decorators inside methods?
[11:57] <kjackal> anrah: you can declare states inside your methods. Then you can guard aganst these states with the appropriate decorators
[11:57] <kjackal> let me find an example
[11:58] <kjackal> anrah: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bigtop/blob/master/bigtop-packages/src/charm/mahout/layer-mahout/reactive/mahout.py#L23
[11:58] <kjackal> here we make sure mahout is installed only once
[11:58] <anrah> yep
[11:59] <anrah> that is familiar
[11:59] <anrah> Problem right now is that I use layers and somerelation.connected part gets executed multiple times
[13:59] <jcastro> rick_h: I have to hit the road late next week, but perhaps we should do an office hours before then?
[14:04] <rick_h> jcastro: on the calendar tomorrow
[14:05] <jcastro> rick_h: did I miss an announcement on a list?
[14:06] <rick_h> jcastro: was going to today
[14:06] <rick_h> jcastro: on my todo to chat with you about it but been in calls today
[14:06] <rick_h> jcastro: started updating the doc with a script
[14:07] <jcastro> yeah I have calls all day
[14:07] <jcastro> ok so you just want me to rally my folks and we'll talk about whatever?
[14:07] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, but have some topics I want to walk through
[14:07] <jcastro> ack I see them
[14:18] <rick_h> jcastro: so yea, I wanted to see what else you wanted to add.
[14:18] <rick_h> jcastro: and see if anyone wants to join
[14:18] <rick_h> jcastro: and that's on the calendar for tomorrow, are you able to send an email or should I?
[14:21] <jcastro> go for it
[14:21] <jcastro> I'll add content to your notes
[14:22] <rick_h> jcastro: k, ty
[14:22] <jcastro> kwmonroe: any new hotness from BD I should include?
[14:28] <rick_h> jcastro: is there any sort of HO link/etc we can put into the email? How's that working these days?
[14:28] <jcastro> hmm, let me think
[14:28]  * rick_h recalls you chatting with someone that it's not hangout on air any more but more a public youtube thingy?
[14:29] <jcastro> yeah they changed it
[14:29] <jcastro> https://www.youtube.com/my_live_events as the juju users
[14:30] <jcastro> I'll add it now
[14:30] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[14:32] <jcastro> oh man, this is actually way better
[14:33] <jcastro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo23ZXwa8ZU is the URL for tomorrow
[14:33] <jcastro> that's handy
[14:33] <jcastro> it doesn't let me select a hangout though unless I go live, so I guess we'll get that URL before we start
[14:34] <jcastro> rick_h: oh nice bonus, it announced the upcoming office hours in my subscription feed as "Upcoming" with the time and date, that's really awesome.
[14:34] <rick_h> jcastro: sweet
[14:36] <jcastro> rick_h: the bottom of your mail encourage people to just subscribe to the YT channel, then from now on they'll get a notification when we go live
[14:36] <jcastro> that's an easy way to get caught up to date without too much overhead, for people who want to keep up but not necessarily participate.
[14:37] <rick_h> jcastro: k, is there any hint on how folks can join the HO?
[14:37] <jcastro> not afaict, what we usually do is fire it off early and then put the URL here
[14:37] <rick_h> jcastro: so just tell them "a hangout link will be made available in #juju or something?
[14:37] <jcastro> right
[14:37] <rick_h> k
[14:37] <jcastro> that's exactly what we do
[14:39] <jcastro> rick_h: it has a setting for hangouts, and then it has another setting for custom encoders
[14:40] <jcastro> that means we could each OBS into one stream, we should experiment with that in the future, that's how the pros do the multi-stream deals
[14:40] <rick_h> jcastro: any feedback let me know: https://pastebin.canonical.com/172188/
[14:40] <jcastro> lgtm, I did rename the session to The Juju Show though
[14:40] <jcastro> sounds cooler
[14:41] <rick_h> hah ok
[14:42] <rick_h> jcastro: k, sent
[14:43] <rick_h> jcastro: let me know of any other topics you want to toss up and see you tomorrow for it?
[14:43] <jcastro> yeah I'll add more post-daily call, I need to round up some status from folks
[14:43] <rick_h> jcastro: rgr ty
[16:10] <arosales> marcoceppi: hello
[16:13] <marcoceppi> o/
[16:13] <arosales> marcoceppi: if you have some time could you merge (if appropriate) and push updates to nagios from the following MPs
[16:13] <arosales> https://code.launchpad.net/~majduk/charms/trusty/nagios/branch/+merge/304492
[16:13] <arosales> https://code.launchpad.net/~dbuliga/charms/trusty/nagios/nagios/+merge/288614
[16:13] <arosales> I think petevg has reviewed the later
[16:14]  * wxl is sad there's no juju snap
[16:14] <magicaltrout> eh?
[16:15] <wxl> i was going to set up a quick vm to test a little wordpress thingy. idea was get ubuntu snappy core in a vm which happens almost immediately, and then install the juju snap so i could grab the wordpress charm. but no such snap exists.
[16:16] <magicaltrout> balloons: jcastro
[16:16] <petevg> wxl: I believe there is a juju snap, though it's still under development: `snap install juju --beta --devmode`
[16:16] <balloons> wxl, there is, it's just in the beta channel
[16:17] <wxl> amd64 only tho yeah?
[16:17] <balloons> right, it's in beta because it requires devmode still
[16:17] <balloons> nope, all supported arches
[16:17] <wxl> yeah weird i can't find it
[16:17] <balloons> snap find won't find it.. just install
[16:17] <wxl> no i mean i tried to install it and it says it can't find it
[16:18] <wxl> this is an i386 core fwiw
[16:18] <balloons> i386 is not a supported arch
[16:18] <wxl> not supported by juju?
[16:18] <arosales> jcastro: to confirm juju office hours is tomorrow, correct?
[16:18] <balloons> wxl, correct
[16:18] <wxl> ah, k
[16:18] <wxl> thanks :)
[16:19] <balloons> wxl, :-) Can you not use the amd64 client?
[16:19] <wxl> probably. unfortunately i've been hobbling along on this i386 install that i've sort of multiarched to amd64 but it's a real pain dealing with all the apps. just been too lazy to do a new install
[16:20] <wxl> so i'll see :) thanks for the help guys
[16:20] <wxl> and gals :)
[16:21] <magicaltrout> i386? makes me feel old
[16:24] <rick_h> arosales: yes, tomorrow
[16:27] <marcoceppi> arosales: well there's larger problems there
[16:27] <marcoceppi> those rely on ingestion
[16:30] <jcastro> arosales: yep
[16:50] <wxl> reading through https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started
[16:50] <wxl> is bootstrap a necessity regardless of whether or not you're using lxd?
[16:52] <wxl> seems that the lxd snap is in devmode too
[16:52] <wxl> s/dev/mode/beta/
[16:55] <wxl> unfortunately it doesn't seem to add the lxd group
[16:58] <jcastro> Using the snapped juju with the snapped lxd doesn't work yet
[16:58] <jcastro> It's on their roadmap though last time I checked
[16:58] <jcastro> ideally you'd get the entire thing from snaps and be good to go
[16:59] <wxl> jcastro: but tl;dr juju does require lxd, no?
[16:59] <magicaltrout> no
[16:59] <magicaltrout> unless you want to use lxd ;)
[16:59] <wxl> oh
[16:59] <wxl> ok well i don't give a hoot about that. :)
[16:59] <magicaltrout> bootstrap will just launch a controller node on your given cloud
[16:59] <magicaltrout> or lxd provide
[16:59] <magicaltrout> r
[16:59] <jcastro> oh, if you don't care about that then you can just use it to deploy to AWS or whatever
[17:00] <magicaltrout> so you do need to bootstrap but its not lxd specific
[17:00] <jcastro> `juju bootstrap aws/us-east-2` for example
[17:00] <wxl> oic well given that i'm running off of a cloud image in virtualbox, i guess i do need it XD
[17:00] <wxl> s/cloud/snappy-core/
[17:05] <jrwren> wxl: it should work VERY well on a cloud image in virtualbox, but I don't use snaps for anything.
[17:07] <wxl> jrwren: yeah i'm aiming for "quickest way to a local wordpress install" and right now the issue is apparently that the snaps need work still.
[17:11] <jrwren> wxl: which snaps?
[17:11] <wxl> jrwren: specifically the issue is with the lxd snap, which admittedly in beta, but it doesn't add the lxd group and there's no easy way to do that in snappy's locked down environment
[17:12] <jrwren> wxl: is there a reason to use the lxd snap and not deb package? apt install lxd works very well for me.
[17:13] <wxl> jrwren: well snappy core relies entirely on snaps. the reaosn i want to use snappy core is i can download an image and have it running in minutes, versus going through a whole install.
[17:13] <wxl> jrwren: realize this is an "ideal world" kind of thing. it's not a complaint about juju or snappy. development just hasn't got ther eyet
[17:13] <jrwren> wxl: oh! I missed the snappy core part. I only saw the "reading through https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started"
[17:14] <wxl> jrwren: yeah sorry for the confusion. i'm an odd case for sure :)
[17:15] <arosales> jcastro: rick_h thanks. If possible I would like to talk about review queue and charm testing
[17:16] <arosales> marcoceppi: re nagios and dep on ingestion, sorry I didn't parse that
[17:17] <marcoceppi> arosales: it's a ~charmers charm, it's not been taken over by anyone
[17:17] <marcoceppi> and we can't just update the store, its a charm that relied on ingestion that no one has taken over
[17:19] <arosales> marcoceppi: ah, but your listed as a maintainer
[17:19] <arosales> I thought we pushed fixes to this already....
[17:19] <marcoceppi> i guess I could just move this to my name on charmstore
[17:19] <marcoceppi> though I'm really no longer the maintainer
[17:20] <arosales> Well I normally ping maintainers to do this
[17:20] <marcoceppi> arosales: maintainers in the yaml file really means nothing
[17:20] <marcoceppi> it's the person that matinained it at one point in time
[17:20] <marcoceppi> it's really about the owner in the charm store now
[17:20] <arosales> It's the best we have thus far to mark a maintainer
[17:21] <marcoceppi> arosales: but I'm telling you, I've not been maintaining it
[17:21] <arosales> marcoceppi: in any case if you would no longer like to maintain could you email the list?
[17:21] <marcoceppi> it's essentially, unmaintained
[17:21] <arosales> Gotcha
[17:22] <arosales> We have some contributions on it so I'll ping ~charmers to merge and push for now
[17:22] <marcoceppi> arosales: you're missing the point
[17:22] <marcoceppi> we can merge it sure
[17:22] <marcoceppi> but it'll never get into the store
[17:23] <arosales> Sorry, I do understand
[17:23] <arosales> We need to land the fix in LP
[17:23] <marcoceppi> but that fixes nothing in the store
[17:23] <arosales> And the push that code to the store
[17:23] <marcoceppi> the second half needs a maintainer
[17:23] <petevg> bcsaller, cory_fu: Do either of you mind if I push a new build of python-libjuju to matrix's wheelhouse?
[17:23] <marcoceppi> someone other than ~charmers, and I'm not an active maintainer
[17:23] <arosales> Sorry me typing on a phone atm
[17:24] <arosales> marcoceppi: ok, could we
[17:24] <arosales> start by you emailing the list looking for a maintainer?
[17:25] <marcoceppi> sure
[17:25] <arosales> Perhaps there is someone untested in maintaining
[17:25] <arosales> marcoceppi: thanks
[17:25] <magicaltrout> i'm interested in maintaining it
[17:25] <arosales> Untested = interested
[17:25] <magicaltrout> because i use it and i know of a couple of other issues that I've patched
[17:25] <arosales> Looks
[17:26] <arosales> Like we have a winner :-)
[17:26] <arosales> marcoceppi: ^ petevg ^
[17:26] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: if you want to create a public repos *somewhere* I'll merge these two things, convert it to git and hand it over
[17:27] <arosales> marcoceppi: magicaltrout thanks!
[17:27] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: i can just push the code to github then?
[17:27] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: as the *previous* maintainer, yes
[17:29] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: if you set up a repo, I'll push over the latest code
[17:31] <magicaltrout> https://github.com/buggtb/nagios-charm
[17:31] <magicaltrout> shove it in there marcoceppi
[17:34] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: what email address do you want to use as maintainer?
[17:39] <magicaltrout><EMAIL_ADDRESS>please marcoceppi
[17:40] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: cool
[17:44] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: okay, pushed
[17:45] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: if you want to push that to the store, I'll move the promulgated name to you
[17:47] <cory_fu> petevg: Nope
[17:48] <petevg> cory_fu: you referencing my comment on the hadoop-processing issue? Or is it just a general "nope"?
[17:49] <petevg> cory_fu: oh, right. You're answering my question. I had forgotten that I had asked it :-)
[17:49] <cory_fu> petevg: :)
[17:50] <petevg> cory_fu, bcsaller: Pushed an updated python-libjuju .whl to matrix master. Please pull and rebase if you want to deploy fancy bundles :-)
[17:53] <bcsaller> petevg: thanks
[19:00] <kwmonroe> lazyPower: mbruzek:  matt's note said charmbox:devel was going away.  can we keep it and build a jujubox:devel that pulls from ppa:juju/devel?  it'd be nice to have a juju/charmbox with 2.1-betaX
[19:02] <mbruzek> kwmonroe: make a pull request if you want that and we will review
[19:03] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: we're kind of booked with what we're supporting already. Matts suggestion is what i would recommend, that if you can contribute the Dockerfile and a minimal test (See matts latest pr) we could reasonably get that in and accounted for in the automation.
[19:12] <magicaltrout> sorry marcoceppi https://jujucharms.com/u/spicule/nagios-charm
[19:12] <magicaltrout> done
[19:14] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: can you push it as jujucharms.com/u/spicule/nagios ?
[19:19] <magicaltrout> boo
[19:19] <magicaltrout> yeah
[19:19] <magicaltrout> dunno why i did that :)
[19:20] <magicaltrout> done
[19:23] <magicaltrout> whats the charm grant command to revoke access?
[19:29] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: revoke
[19:32] <magicaltrout> ah up a level i was still looking in the grant menu
[19:41] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: done
[19:46] <magicaltrout> joy
[20:17] <kwmonroe> lazyPower: mbruzek:  local build looks good with 2.1-beta1.  here's a pr to bring devel inline with master (plus a couple commits to add ppa:juju/devel).  this will affect cwrbox, so you may want to hold off until https://github.com/seman/cwrbox/pull/2 is merged.
[20:17] <kwmonroe> https://github.com/juju-solutions/jujubox/pull/28
[20:17] <lazyPower> nice
[20:17] <lazyPower> thanks kwmonroe
[20:18] <kwmonroe> np.. nice job on travis integration!
[20:19] <lazyPower> thats all matt :0
[20:33] <cory_fu> bcsaller: So, I'm using async for the charm archive download and all, but I can't figure out a way to extract the zip in an async way.  Also, fetching the archive URL involves a non-async call to the charm store API, which we have seen hit a 10s timeout in tests.  I guess my only option on those is run_in_executor?
[20:59] <tvansteenburgh> cory_fu: that's what i would do (for both)
[21:48] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: Cynerva: ryebot: - https://k8s-gubernator.appspot.com/build/canonical-kubernetes-tests/logs/e2e-node/1122_17:10:48.000    despite the fact we're not officially merged, with some url hax, we're totally in the dashboard :P
[21:49] <ryebot> lazyPower: Sweet!
[22:06] <pcdummy> What are the minimum specs needed for Juju? (To try it out) ?
[22:12] <marcoceppi> pcdummy: if you're using the lxd provider,  4 cores and 8gb ram
[22:12] <marcoceppi> otherwise, a cloud provider
[22:19] <pcdummy> marcoceppi: thanks
[22:19] <pcdummy> Will install Juju the coming days and give it a try.
[22:20] <marcoceppi> pcdummy: cool, if you need cloud credentials, sign up for the developer program: https://developer.juju.solutions
[22:21] <pcdummy> marcoceppi: juju will give me something like that: https://drawstack.github.io/qxjoint/ ? :)
[22:23] <pcdummy> marcoceppi: that was a fun project i was working on (should be a interface for LXD in conjunction with saltstack).
[22:25] <lazyPower> pcdummy: correct, however juju is application centric view in the GUI instead of machine/container centric.
[22:25] <marcoceppi> pcdummy: it will give you something...similar
[22:37] <pcdummy> NICE
[22:37] <pcdummy> I'll give it certainly a try.
[23:14] <pcdummy> juju has no live migration of containers?
[23:15] <rick_h> pcdummy: no, it does not currently
[23:17] <pcdummy> So downtimes on maintenance of the host, if the app isn't scaleable/loadbalanced/whatever.


[05:57] <Planewalker_Alph> Hello.
[05:58] <Planewalker_Alph> How do you set up ssh? Specifically, between two machines (neither one of which is a server) operating on one wireless network?
[05:58] <Planewalker_Alph> I have read several articles about ssh, but I can't get these two to talk.
[07:13] <Rainstake> I have unmet dependencies and need to fix this error.  Please help.
[07:13] <philipballew> Rainstake, Ill attempt
[07:13] <Rainstake> Thank you.
[07:13] <philipballew> what exactly are you wanting to do
[07:14] <Rainstake> I tried to run sudo apt-get clean, too.
[07:14] <Unit193> Rainstake: sudo apt-get install -f
[07:14] <Rainstake> I have that red icon with the minus sign
[07:15] <Rainstake> Okay, I put the argument in as suggested.
[07:16] <philipballew> ok.good, do as Unit193 said. also the red icon error?
[07:16] <Unit193> Rainstake: Open a terminal and type that in
[07:16] <philipballew> whats the output or words the error says
[07:16] <philipballew> do you know the terminal Rainstake ?
[07:16] <Rainstake> philipballew, this is what the icon says in my task bar
[07:16] <Rainstake> It says
[07:16] <philipballew> okay :)
[07:18] <Rainstake> "An error occured, please run Package Manager from the right click menu or apt-get in a terminal to see what is wrong.  the error message was: "Error: Opening the cache (E:Read erro - read (5: Input/output error), E: The pacage list or status file cound no be parsed or opend.) "This usually means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies"
[07:19] <Rainstake> *package
[07:20] <philipballew> okay. now did Unit193 help ?
[07:20] <Unit193> Run   sudo apt-get install -f    from the terminal and pastebin the output error (If there is one)
[07:21] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:22] <Rainstake> install -f did not work.
[07:22] <philipballew> did not work how so?
[07:23] <philipballew> sudo apt-get install -f  is what you should run btw
[07:23] <Rainstake> It says: REad error - (5: Input/out put could not be parsed or opened.
[07:24] <Rainstake> I used sudo apt-get install -f and the error keeps showing.  I think something is missing.
[07:25] <Rainstake> Here's a paste of what my screen says:
[07:25] <Rainstake> ron@rainstake:~$ sudo apt-get install -f Reading package lists... Error! E: Read error - read (5: Input/output error) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[07:26] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update
[07:26] <Rainstake> Unit,193, I'll try that.
[07:27] <Rainstake> Unit193, the outcome was as follows W: Failed to fetch http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/dists/edgy/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Something wicked happened resolving 'medibuntu.sos-sts.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)  E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:28] <Unit193> You're using Edgy?
[07:29] <philipballew> thats not supported and more i think
[07:29] <Rainstake> Unit193: I don't know what Edgy is, really.  I'm sorta new.
[07:29] <Unit193> It is not
[07:29] <philipballew> whats the command to show your release
[07:29] <Rainstake> I have Ubuntu 10.4
[07:29] <Rainstake> installed.
[07:29] <philipballew> lucid!
[07:29] <Unit193> Rainstake: Alright, there is a bad PPA in your sources
[07:30] <Rainstake> Unit193: that sounds like an easy problem to solve, I hope.
[07:30] <Unit193> Rainstake: Run  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  and tell us the output (Pastebin if it's large
[07:30] <Rainstake> What is a PPA>
[07:31] <Unit193> [A
[07:31] <Unit193> !ppa
[07:31] <ubot2> A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa
[07:31] <Rainstake> Unit193: Run  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[07:31] <Rainstake> ron@rainstake:~$ Run  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Run: command not found ron@rainstake:~$
[07:32] <Unit193> not with the word "run"
[07:32] <Rainstake> Sorry:
[07:32] <Rainstake> outcome: ron@rainstake:~$ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ google-earth.list       mozillateam-firefox-stable-lucid.list google-earth.list.save  mozillateam-firefox-stable-lucid.list.save medibuntu.list          ubuntu-wine-ppa-lucid.list ron@rainstake:~$
[07:34] <Unit193> Rainstake: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list   please
[07:34] <Rainstake> okay. I'll run that.
[07:35] <Rainstake> Unit193: the outcome is: ron@rainstake:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/ deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ lucid free non-free #Medibuntu - Ubuntu 10.04 "lucid lynx" #deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ lucid free non-free #Medibuntu (source) - Ubuntu 10.04 "lucid lynx"
[07:36] <Unit193> Rainstake: Hmmm.... Try running     sudo ppa-purge deb "http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com edgy non-free"    (If I have the correct syntax)
[07:36] <Rainstake> Okay.
[07:37] <Unit193> Also, see if it will install now
[07:37] <Rainstake> Unit193, the outcome is: ron@rainstake:~$ sudo ppa-purge deb "http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com edgy non-free"sudo: ppa-purge: command not found
[07:38] <Unit193> Oh, it's not installed by default.  See if it will install (If you don
[07:38] <Unit193> 't remove the ppa, you'll get errors all the time)
[07:39] <Rainstake> Unit193: You mean that I should remove 'ppa' from the agruement, correct?
[07:39] <Unit193> No
[07:39] <Rainstake> *arguement
[07:41] <philipballew> ok. so your gonna need to purge this ppa. lets do this
[07:41] <Rainstake> I'm ready!
[07:41] <Unit193> Avtually
[07:41] <Unit193> !ppa-purge
[07:41] <ubot2> To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[07:42] <philipballew> try sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[07:42] <philipballew> unless you already have it installed
[07:43] <Rainstake> It's not installed, I just ran that arguement and the result was: E: Couldn't find package ppa-purge.  Among other output.
[07:44] <Rainstake> I mean, there is other output, I just copy and pasted the last sentence of the output.
[07:44] <philipballew> alright, im gonna have you remove the thing manually
[07:45] <Rainstake> Okay.  What do I do?
[07:45] <philipballew> run gksudo gedit  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[07:45] <Unit193> Take off the .d/ doesn't look like it's in ther
[07:45] <philipballew> ah, yeah. true
[07:47] <Rainstake> Unit193 & philipballew: i ran it minus the .d and a screen pops up, a sources.list screen.
[07:47] <Rainstake> When I ran it with the .d, update manager popped up.
[07:47] <philipballew> sweet. paste all thats in ther in the ubuntu paste website i gave eailier
[07:48] <Rainstake> Okay, let me fetch the website.
[07:49] <philipballew> okay
[07:49] <Unit193> philipballew will help you, I'll pretend to sleep (And make random comments)
[07:50]  * philipballew usually does that
[07:50] <Rainstake> Unit193: thank you.
[07:51] <Rainstake> philipballew: I pasted it in the bin
[07:51] <philipballew> now paste it ans give me the url
[07:52] <Rainstake> philipballew: here's the url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/700338/
[07:52] <Unit193> Bottom line
[07:53] <philipballew> 54
[07:53] <philipballew> deleate it
[07:54] <Rainstake> philipballew: Me, delete line 54?
[07:54] <philipballew> yeah 54
[07:55] <Rainstake> Should I download it to delete it?  I am so new, see.
[07:55] <Rainstake> Oh, in the sourcelist?
[07:55] <Unit193> Yep, the thing in gedit
[07:56] <philipballew> then click save
[07:56] <Rainstake> Got it, I did not know that.  But now I do.  Okay, 54 is deleted.
[07:56] <Rainstake> okay.
[07:56] <Rainstake> Saved!
[07:56] <philipballew> once its saved see if
[07:56] <philipballew> sudo apt-get update
[07:56] <philipballew> does any good
[07:57] <Rainstake> Bunch  of stuff running...
[07:57] <philipballew> good
[07:57] <Rainstake> here's the last few lines of the outcome: Fetched 2,199B in 11s (193B/s)                                                  W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org lucid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783 W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg  Something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubun
[07:58] <Rainstake> o download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:58] <philipballew> nice!
[07:58] <philipballew> jk
[07:58] <Rainstake> lol
[07:59] <Unit193> sudo apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get --quiet update
[07:59] <Unit193> Run that to fix medibuntu
[07:59] <Rainstake> Running...
[08:00] <philipballew> medbuntu is nice
[08:00] <Unit193> Yep
[08:00] <Rainstake> Last line of outcome: Reading package lists...
[08:01] <Unit193> That's fine, now can we see the error for the second part?
[08:02] <Rainstake> What should I run to get the error, I mean, theres nothing past <Reading package lists...> to copy and past for now.
[08:03] <Unit193> There shouldn't be, just run     sudo apt-get update      again :P
[08:03] <Rainstake> Unit193: should I run apt-get update?
[08:03] <Rainstake> oh. okay.
[08:04] <Rainstake> Running.
[08:04] <Rainstake> outcome: Fetched 2,000B in 11s (174B/s)                                                  W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg  Something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)  E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:05] <Unit193> us.archive.ubuntu.com:http ?
[08:05] <Rainstake> Unit193: that's what is says, but I am not familiar with that, either.
[08:06] <philipballew> seems fine to me
[08:06] <philipballew> i get that sometimes and it corrects itself
[08:07] <Unit193> See if it's oddly formated in here:   cat /etc/apt/sources.list |grep -v \#
[08:07] <Rainstake> okay.
[08:08] <Rainstake> Unit193: no odd format appeared.  Do you want to see the outcome?
[08:08] <Rainstake> eb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security main restricted deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security main restricted deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security universe deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security universe deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security multiverse deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security multiverse
[08:09] <Rainstake> Unit193: those were the last six lines.  No error code appearing.
[08:10] <Unit193> I don't see where it would fail as I can open   "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg" in a browser just fine
[08:10] <mranim8> Hi. Can someone help me with an installation question? I just downloaded 11.04 (x86) to put onto a freshly built file server. I want to use btrfs instead of ext4, so I go to configure the partitions manually. I have 5 disks (one system, 4 data). I can't create primary partitions on the data drives without adding a mount point, and I can't seem to specify my own mount point. Instead I'm given a list of standard directo
[08:11] <mranim8> I last used Linux pre-Ubuntu (slackware, debian)
[08:12] <Rainstake> Unit193: I got an 404 Not Found error code when opening that website in a tab.
[08:12] <philipballew> id try #ubuntu-server mranim8
[08:12] <Unit193> philipballew: Please try to open http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg
[08:13] <Unit193> Rainstake: I do trust you, just checking if it's me or you :P
[08:13] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/700351/
[08:13] <Rainstake> Unit193: here is the outcome: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)  iD8DBQBL2cDzQJdur0N9BbURAmk2AJ9ungOjKn0ektAH87KhRIHht+1cDQCfck7P ZoIb2P0v2PEqa4Az8KnIIW4= =b/mY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
[08:13] <Unit193> http://paste.ubuntu.com/700352/
[08:14] <Unit193> It's all good then
[08:14] <Rainstake> Okay.  Error 404 should show up, then.
[08:15] <Unit193> Shouldn't rather?
[08:15] <Rainstake> I mean, have we resolved the issue: I ask because the red minus icon from my task bar has disappeared, while we have been plugging away.
[08:15] <Unit193> I've been trying to get all errors gone (Just to make you happy) Make sure to run    sudo apt-get upgrade     too
[08:17] <Rainstake> Unit193: the outcome is: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:20] <Rainstake> Unit193: Thank you for your help.  We are complete, correct?
[08:20] <Unit193> Rainstake: Oh, I forgot to confirm that's fine, it was just checking for updates :P
[08:20] <Unit193> Rainstake: Should be all good now :)
[08:20] <Rainstake> philipballew: Thank you, too.  Thank you again, Unit193.
[08:20] <Unit193> You're welcome, have a great night!
[08:21] <Rainstake> I'm going to restart my computer and see if evil things happen, again.
[08:21] <philipballew> anytime dude
[08:21] <Unit193> Heh, good luck
[08:21] <Rainstake> You, too, Unit193 and philipballew, you guys rock.
[08:22] <philipballew> finally one person likes me!
[08:22] <Rainstake> lol
[09:19] <diffred> Hi
[09:19] <diffred> I have a PC with Ubuntu in Spanish
[09:19] <diffred> I would like to translate it to English
[09:19] <diffred> I have done it through the Language Support
[09:20] <diffred> and rebooted, but all the GUI and menus are still in Spanish
[09:20] <diffred> I'm wondering if I can avoid to reinstall, because I have some important applications
[09:21] <diffred> Thanks in advance
[09:22] <Unit193> diffred: Have a look here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17528/change-the-user-interface-language-in-ubuntu/
[09:43] <diffred> Unit193, thanks a lot. Unfortunatelly, all GUI menus are still in Spanish.
[09:45] <Sidewinder1> diffred, After making the changes, did you log-out/log-in or reboot?
[09:46] <diffred> Yes. I will do it again, if needed. I'll be back in a minute.
[09:57] <diffred> I solved the language problem after rebooting. Thanks a lot.
[09:58] <diffred> I'm now into keyboard shortcuts. I need a kb shortcut such that minimizes all the opened windows and focus the desktop. Just like "Windows+D" in windows. I cannot find this option on the Keyboard Shortcut menu
[10:01] <Sidewinder1> In my version, Lucid, 10.04, in the lower left corner is a purple box; when clicked it "Hides all windows and shows the desktop".
[10:02] <geirha> diffred: Should be windows+d in ubuntu too
[10:02] <diffred> geirha, wow, it is true.
[10:02] <diffred> sorry about that
[10:02] <diffred> I was trying control+alt+D as with older systems
[10:03] <diffred> Thanks a lot for your help. A pleasure to be here.
[14:19] <Vinsony> Hello
[14:22] <Vinsony> i have a little knowledge about linux and i want want to learn it throughly. can anybody suggest a good book for that?
[22:42] <philipballew> hey! if i have a usb wifi adapter that lsusb says has no firmware, whats a good way to actually see whats up with it?
[22:51] <TheHappyMan> I'm trying to resolve a keyboard/mouse interaction issue.  Can I have some help interpreting the solution posted at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/636311 ?
[22:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636311 in linux "Keyboard special keys interfere with mouse" [High,Fix released]
[22:52] <TheHappyMan> I think that the problem should have been fixed by a previous patch, but I'm not sure.
[22:59] <philipballew> you gotta wonder why people quit so quickly