[04:18] <sebsebseb> Hi
[13:36] <svenkatkumar> hi, i wasnt able to attend today's session ,pls tell me  from where can i get the things taught ?
[13:39] <AndrewMC> svenkatkumar: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[13:40] <svenkatkumar> thank you
[14:51] <jcastro> 10 minutes until we begin!
[14:52] <thiebaude> :)
[14:52] <MooDoo> hello all
[14:56] <jcastro> we start in about 4 minutes!
[15:00] <jono> alrighty
[15:00] <jono> let's wait a min for late stragglers
[15:01] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[15:02] <jono> alrighty!
[15:02] <jono> welcome everyone to Ubuntu Open Week!
[15:02] <jono> here we are for another weekly dose of content designed to get you all excited about being part of the Ubuntu community!
[15:03] <jono> just as we kick off, I want to say a big thankyou to akgraner and jcastro for working hard on putting the week together
[15:03]  * jcastro waves!
[15:03] <akgraner> :-)
[15:03] <jono> we have done this for a number of releases now, and we have always found it a useful method of helping to get people involved in Ubuntu :-)
[15:03] <jono> I just wanted to talk for a few moments before we do the general Q+A
[15:04] <jono> and then we will throw it open and jcastro and I are going to answer whatever questions you like
[15:04] <jono> for those of you who don't know me, I am Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu Community Manager, and jcastro is Jorge Castro who is our Ubuntu Upstream Relations Coordinator who works on my team
[15:05] <jono> we both work at Canonical to help grow a strong and empower Ubuntu community
[15:05] <jono> I believe Ubuntu has come a long way in recent years
[15:05] <jono> when we started out we had a very clear focus - built the best Operating System we could
[15:06] <jono> one designed for Linux enthusiasts and geeks
[15:06] <jono> when the project started the goal was to bring real simplicity and focus in a world typically dominated by high technology
[15:06] <jono> the global Ubuntu community wrapped their arms around this challenge, and it didn't take long before Ubuntu became the distro of choice for many Linux users
[15:07] <jono> I would go to conferences and see pretty much everyone using Ubuntu
[15:07] <jono> and throughout this time we would all feel a real satisfaction in "bringing Free Software to people"
[15:07] <jono> today though, we face a much loftier challenge and opportunity
[15:08] <jono> we have the potential to bring Free Software to *millions* of computer users around the world
[15:08] <jono> the kind of people who have no idea what IRC is, what Linux is, how technology works
[15:08] <jono> the kind of people whose priority in life is something other than computers
[15:09] <jono> there are millions of end users around the world who are dissatisifed with Microsoft and Apple
[15:09] <jono> they are tired of the limitations of those products, their cost, and want something better
[15:09] <jono> and I firmly believe that Ubuntu can be that solution
[15:10] <jono> in business circles this is typically revered to as "crossing the chasm"; a term that has become so clichéd and common that it is almost embarressing to say it
[15:11] <jcastro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Chasm
[15:11] <jono> but it is true nonetheless, the theory goes that there is a chasm between initial adoption (e.g. Linux users loving ubuntu) and the mass computer user base using Ubuntu
[15:11] <jono> many have thought they can get over that chasm, and many have tried
[15:12] <jono> to build a bridge of the chasm required new thinking and new things - it needs marketing towards those users, technical features that are missing that they need, support resources, and more
[15:12] <jono> and while many have failed to get over, it is typically because they only have limited resources and can't put every step into the bridge that is needed
[15:12] <jono> well, we are differet
[15:12] <jono> different
[15:12] <jono> we can
[15:13] <jono> we can build every step because we have an incredible global community
[15:13] <jono> and to build each step required many different disciplines - we need developers, packagers, testers, translators, support folks, advocates, and more
[15:14] <jono> getting over the chasm isnt for people who are ultra-technical, it is not just for people with a Canonical paycheck
[15:14] <jono> it is something that every single one of you can help with
[15:14] <jono> Ubuntu Open Week is all about that
[15:14] <jono> it is all about enabling you folks to build a step in that bridge to get us over the chasm
[15:14] <jono> and the opportunity i intense - just think about the world enjoying Free Software via Ubuntu
[15:15] <jono> think of the money saved by charities and education, the better reliance on better technology, safer computing with a barely recognizable virus threat, software that everyone has a right to, that everyone has an opportunity to make better
[15:16] <jono> this is why we are here, and this is why every single one of us is critical to our success together in bringing Free Software to the world
[15:16] <jono> to do this we have an awesome new release, the Maverick Meerkat
[15:17] <jono> and this week we have a week jam packed with awesome sessions, and you can see the list of sessions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[15:17] <jono> so, without further ado
[15:17] <jono> let
[15:17] <jono> lets get into the Q+A
[15:17] <jono> want to kick it off jcastro?
[15:17] <jcastro> sure
[15:18] <jcastro> Since 10.10 just came out, why don't you guys pile up some questions for the bot in -classroom-chat
[15:18] <jono> jcastro, why don't you explain how to ask questiond
[15:18] <jcastro> let me explain how questions work
[15:18] <jono> :)
[15:19] <jcastro> In #ubuntu-classroom-chat you ask the ClassBot a question
[15:19] <jcastro> but he needs it in a certain format to work
[15:19] <jcastro> so you do it in this format:
[15:19] <jcastro> ClassBot: QUESTION: What's your favorite Iron Maiden album?
[15:20] <jcastro> and then classbot will present them in this channel and we'll answer them
[15:20] <jcastro> (all questions qill be asked like this for the entire week)
[15:21] <jcastro> (ok the bot seems busted at the moment, give us a second)
[15:22] <jcastro> ok, so you don't need the classbot bit
[15:22] <jcastro> just like this:
[15:23] <jcastro> QUESTION: What's Ubuntu?
[15:25] <jcastro> (technical difficulties, bear with us for a moment)
[15:25] <ClassBot> Fifthmarch asked: Can I get the final release of 10.10 by updating the beta version I have
[15:25] <jono> Fifthmarch, yep
[15:25] <jono> :)
[15:26] <jcastro> Just use the normal update-manager and you'll be set
[15:26] <ClassBot> guiwegian asked: How to upgrade to 10.10 from 10.4 with update manager?
[15:26] <jcastro> In order to upgrade you can use the update manager
[15:27] <jcastro> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[15:27] <jcastro> this page has all the information you need for upgrading your version of ubuntu
[15:28] <ClassBot> ChrisWoollard asked: When will the wiki.ubuntu theme be changed to the modern style?
[15:28] <jono> ChrisWoollard, yep
[15:28] <jono> it is planned
[15:28] <jcastro> in fact
[15:28] <jcastro> you can play with it now by choosing "Ubuntu Light" theme in your preferences
[15:29] <jcastro> it's just not turned on by default while the web team fixes the little bugs
[15:29] <ClassBot> Pernig asked: It took quite a long time for me to upgrade to Meerkat, and it doesn't seem that much different. What's new in this release?
[15:29] <jcastro> jono: this would be a good time to tell us what your favorite features for 10.10 are
[15:30] <jono> Pernig, all the details are on http://www.ubuntu.com of the new features
[15:30] <jono> personally I love:
[15:30] <jono>  * Unity in the netbook edition - an awesome new interface for Ubuntu
[15:30] <jono>  * the sound indicator menu improvements
[15:30] <jono>  * a raft of Ubuntu Software Center improvements
[15:30] <jono>  * lots of new software updates
[15:30] <jono>  * shotwell is now shipped with Ubuntu
[15:31] <jono> those are my main ones
[15:31] <jcastro> I personally dig updates in the installer, and the nice new checkbox to get multimedia support in the installer.
[15:31] <jono> what about you, jcastro?
[15:31] <jono> :)
[15:31] <jcastro> Did you know we do multitasking in the installer?
[15:31] <jcastro> after you partition, it starts installing
[15:31] <jono> :)
[15:31] <jcastro> while you're filling out your name and all that
[15:31] <jcastro> instead of just sitting there!
[15:31] <jono> that's cool
[15:32] <ClassBot> drcooper asked: Is this session for technical questions? (I dont think so...if not sm1tell these people)
[15:33] <jcastro> We can answer some technical questions (based on our knowledge), if something is more detailed you can probably get better support on the ubuntu mailing lists, ubuntu forums, or askubuntu.com
[15:33] <jcastro> mostly this is an intro session this hour-long block to kick off the week
[15:34] <jcastro> If the bot doesn't ask your question in here it means we have no clue. :)
[15:34] <ClassBot> daker asked: When will the ubuntu forums got a new light theme ?
[15:34] <jcastro> jono: any idea about this one? I know they are working on it.
[15:35] <jcastro> it's a little complicated for the forums because they are also in the process of a major update to the forum software, so for them it's not just a simple matter of updating the theme
[15:35] <jono> jcastro, I am not sure, I know it is on the TODO list for the team
[15:35] <ClassBot> Marceau asked: my ubuntu pc is on a very slow connection, but I donwloaded the 10.10 iso. Is it possible to upgrade using the iso?
[15:36] <jcastro> It sure is, stick the CD in and choose upgrade
[15:36] <jcastro> (You'll have to boot off the CD)
[15:36] <ClassBot> OwaisL asked: At last UDS we had a session by the name, "making nautilus awesome" or something but nothing happened to nautilus. Are there any plans for Natty? Why not just ship nautilus-elementary?
[15:36] <jcastro> That's a good question; I happened to be at that session
[15:37] <jcastro> The improvements to nautilus likely weren't done due to lack of resources
[15:37] <jcastro> (this is why we're always looking for developers)
[15:37] <jono> OwaisL, shipping Nautilus Elementary is not as simple as just packaging it
[15:37] <jono> naultilus is a key part of the desktop and changing it is risky
[15:37] <jcastro> as far as what file manager to ship, that is a decision the desktop team makes
[15:38] <jono> I am not sure why there are no major changes to nautilus though
[15:38] <jcastro> (convincing the -elementary folks to get their fixes upstream to nautilus would be a win for everyone)
[15:38] <ClassBot> RibPreto-Brasil asked: Is it out of question to move back window buttons to right or do you consider that sometimes?
[15:39] <jono> let me take this one
[15:39] <jono> the change of the the windows buttons was a cosmetic change with a functional benefit made two releases ago
[15:40] <jono> those of you who use Unity can see why the buttons on the left are a benefit - the buttons merge into the top panel and save a lot of space
[15:40] <jono> there are no plans to move the window buttons
[15:40] <jono> and frankly, I think we have bigger fish to fry and problems to solve :)
[15:41] <ClassBot> sandersch asked: Will Ubuntu Netbook Edition be pre-loaded on netbooks?
[15:41] <jono> sandersch, yep
[15:41] <jcastro> You can already get UNE preloaded today from vendors like system76 and zareason
[15:42] <ClassBot> awk asked: Is the ubuntu font available for other platforms as well ?
[15:42] <jcastro> certainly
[15:42] <jcastro> it's just a .ttf
[15:42] <jcastro> see http://font.ubuntu.com for more details and downloads
[15:42] <ClassBot> ChrisWoollard asked: Will you switch to Libre Office in 11.04? (What is your take on that openoffice / libreoffice issue?
[15:43] <jcastro> Mark mentioned that we would be supporting it in the press release. I suspect this issue will be discussed at length at the Ubuntu Developer Summit
[15:43] <jcastro> keep your eyes on http://uds.ubuntu.com to see when libreoffice will be discussed, I'm sure it will be announced when the final decision is made
[15:44] <jcastro> That is something I personally am looking forward to in 11.04!
[15:44] <ClassBot> professorb asked: Lucid was a milestone release and I feel Meerkat hasn't changed a lot, but that's because Lucid was so good, it feels like Ubuntu isn't making as many major changes because it's got a lot of things right, but with that in mind what's next for Ubuntu, what big changes can come?
[15:45] <jcastro> As the above answer, this is discussed at UDS
[15:45] <jcastro> I don't want to dodge the question but for real, we'll know in about 2 weeks. :)
[15:45] <jcastro> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n
[15:45] <jcastro> this page has the incoming blueprints to what's coming up to be discussed at UDS
[15:46] <jcastro> please feel free to read and subscribe to those to get a feel for what's going on in the project
[15:46] <ClassBot> drcooper asked: Why isnt Lubuntu be an official variant yet?
[15:46] <jcastro> This is something a lubuntu person can probably answer better
[15:46] <jcastro> I do know that they've been putting a bunch of work into becoming an official variant
[15:47] <jcastro> we always try to encourage people who build on ubuntu to get involved, so I am looking forward to having another ubuntu
[15:47] <jcastro> I personally just tried lubuntu on an older machine and it is pretty slick, that team is doing a great job!
[15:48] <ClassBot> AndrewMC asked: On linux mint they have xchat preinstalled that once opened would join you automatically into their on and off topic rooms, has Ubuntu ever considered doing this?... i personally think it is a good idea as it would make it easier for people to get support
[15:48] <jcastro> We used to install xchat by default many years ago
[15:48] <jcastro> but these days IRC is a little bit too geeky for a general purpose OS to ship out of the box
[15:49] <jcastro> some people are really passionate about this (for understandable reasons)
[15:49] <jcastro> but currently we offer empathy for rudimentary support of IRC in the default install
[15:49] <jcastro> and for users that want a more hardcore client (like irssi, ftw) they can install it via the ubuntu software center.
[15:49] <ClassBot> nisshh asked: It was mentioned some time ago, that 'Windicator's' would replace where the window button's used to be, is this planned for Natty?
[15:50] <jono> nisshh, not sure
[15:50] <jono> windicators was an idea Mark had but I have seen little implementation work on it
[15:50] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[15:51] <ClassBot> nisshh asked: Will there be a fixed-width version of the new Ubuntu font for terminals?
[15:51] <jcastro> I know the team is currently focused on the current font
[15:51] <jcastro> I don't /believe/ there will be a fixed-width version (remembering from the original session)
[15:52] <jcastro> this might be a good question to ask on the ayatana mailing list
[15:52] <ClassBot> ChrisWoollard asked: Can you give me a job at Canonical? ;)
[15:52] <jono> nisshh, there is a monospace font I believe
[15:52] <jono> ChrisWoollard, apply :-)
[15:52] <jcastro> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/
[15:53] <ClassBot> drcooper asked: Is it possible to get apt work like a bittorrent system so as to speed up installations? I am referring to a model in which users will be seeding packages.
[15:53] <jcastro> we've been on-and-off looking at ways to improve the download performance for users
[15:53] <jcastro> there have been rsync-like proposals for apt
[15:54] <jcastro> all of those ideas are currently still being discussed, I don't think anyone has figured out exactly how to do delta-debs in a way that is useful for people without causing more load on the mirrors
[15:54] <jcastro> so the best answer to this is "not yet"
[15:55] <ClassBot> RibPreto-Brasil asked: It is extremely awful that the installer uses Internet connection without user permission. Cant you let the 'first update' after first boot, and warning user about that??
[15:55] <jcastro> Please file a bug in the installer or mention it on the ubuntu-devel list. The package name is "ubiquity"
[15:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[15:56] <jcastro> woo, no more questions, the queue is empty
[15:56] <jcastro> ask them while we have time!
[15:56] <jcastro> (Remember that at this time on Thursday Mark will be holding a session just like this)
[15:56] <jcastro> to answer your questions that we might not have been able to give you good detail on
[15:56] <jcastro> !q
[15:57] <jono> also folks, I do weekly videocast Q+A sessions on ustream
[15:57] <ClassBot> ChrisWoollard asked: When is Ubuntu One for windows due?
[15:57] <jono> www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[15:57] <jcastro> According to U1 team member Josh Hoover: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1276/when-will-ubuntu-one-for-windows-be-released/5832#5832
[15:57] <jcastro> beta within the next couple o weeks!
[15:58] <jcastro> keep an eye on their blog for details
[15:58] <ClassBot> ewaldmire asked: is any work being done to get Ubuntu on HP and more Dell systems?
[15:58] <jcastro> Last question
[15:58] <jono> thanks for all the questions folks
[15:58] <jcastro> Yes, we're always working with OEMs to get ubuntu on more machines
[15:58] <jono> our OEM team are always actively working with vendors
[15:58] <jcastro> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
[15:58] <jcastro> see this page for details
[15:59] <jcastro> ok, that's it, whew
[15:59] <jcastro> Thanks everyone for kicking off the week
[15:59] <jcastro> we'll be having specific sessions the rest of the week
[15:59] <jcastro> check the schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[15:59] <jcastro> and feel free to participate, and thanks for coming!
[16:00] <jcastro> up next Laura is going to educate us on how to improve your LoCo team
[16:01] <czajkowski> Aloha, Greetings from the Ubuntu LoCo Council, in case some of you are unfamiliar with us there are 6 of us elected by the CC for a 2 year term to help loco teams, approve and re approve teams and be there to mediate when necessary.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil   I'm here today to talk to you about how teams can help themselves and to possible give you some ideas on how to improve or if you are looking at settin
[16:01] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[16:01] <czajkowski> up a team what you could be doing to help the process along.
[16:01] <czajkowski> We idle in #ubuntu-locoteams and if you are looking for us you can say loco-council or loco council and that pings us.  Also by contacting us on email  loco-council<at>lists.ubuntu.com.   We're elected to help people and come from various backgrounds and are active in our teams plus on other Ubuntu related teams.  So if you do need us just ask we want to help
[16:02] <czajkowski> So some helpful resources for teams, we do notice there are a lot of active teams out there but there are others who do need some guidelines and often just having a simple set of guidelines can help a team operate better/more smoothly.
[16:02] <czajkowski>  We set up a Best Guidelines and Practices wiki, and it has been translated but we're always looking for more translations:
[16:02] <czajkowski> These are only suggestions we'd encourage all teams to do but we also appreciate some teams do it differently, however we have found that these checklists DO WORK and those teams that follow them, are active and visible teams. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamsBestPracticesandGuidelines
[16:03] <czajkowski> does anyone have any questions so far?
[16:03] <czajkowski> It's broken down into a monthly to do list
[16:03] <czajkowski> and a cycle based list
[16:03] <czajkowski> this will help teams get organised.  I am a firm believer in lists!
[16:04] <czajkowski> you can make a list and then cross off or action people to help with areas and share out tasks, sharing our tasks is the best way for a team to happy and active. no point in taking it all on board!
[16:05] <ClassBot> RibPreto-Brasil asked: what are LoCo teams?
[16:06] <czajkowski> RibPreto-Brasil: A loco team is a group of ubuntu enthuastics
[16:06] <czajkowski> who meet or talk on IRC mailing lists on Ubuntu related topics
[16:07] <ClassBot> mhall119 asked: where can I find a LoCo team near me?
[16:07] <czajkowski> we have this great facality called the Loco directory http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[16:08] <czajkowski> and here it lists all of the loco teams that we have at present
[16:08] <czajkowski> it also lists their contact details
[16:08] <czajkowski> events they are running
[16:08] <czajkowski> and how to get in contact with them
[16:08] <czajkowski> it's extremely useful!
[16:08] <ClassBot> drcooper asked: Is there a minimum number of members necessary to set up a LoCo Team ?
[16:08] <czajkowski> drcooper: nope there isn't
[16:09] <czajkowski> the more the merrier!
[16:10] <czajkowski> people getting together to work on Ubuntu is always encouraged!
[16:10] <czajkowski> Did you know that twice a month the LoCo Council meet? We run a loco health check once a month which is more of an informal discussion session, we encourage people to add topics they'd like more information on, or would like other teams to discuss and we try and get some feed back.
[16:10] <czajkowski> Anyone can add a topic to the health check we just ask you to please turn up for the meeting.  Next cycle if there is still interest in the session we could look at changing or rotating the meeting session ?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoHealthCheck
[16:10] <czajkowski> the idea of these sessions is to get discssion happening, give feedback on items such as the guidelines and best practices
[16:10] <czajkowski> or the Loco directory
[16:11] <czajkowski> or how to get members more involved
[16:11] <ClassBot> yantraShilpi asked: I'm assuming increasing LoCo activity is very important. Is there a compilation evangelization tools and ideas for increasing LoCo activity?
[16:11] <czajkowski> yantraShilpi: Not as such
[16:12] <czajkowski> we have a vast network, and you have the loco -contacts mailing list
[16:12] <czajkowski> and #ubuntu-lococontacts channel
[16:12] <czajkowski> and the microblogging #tag #locteams
[16:12] <czajkowski> ways of communicating with other teams and getting people to give you feedback on discussion items
[16:13] <ClassBot> drcooper asked: Could you brief us on the mandatory activities to be taken up by a LoCo team to qualify as an official one
[16:13] <czajkowski> drcooper: good question, while there are no offical mandatory activities being active by having monthly meetings
[16:14] <czajkowski> or getting disucssions happening on your mailing list or fourms
[16:14] <czajkowski> if possible going to events or organaning your own events all count
[16:14] <czajkowski> drcooper: having just 2 people doing this makes it a bit harder to approve having 10 people makes it easier
[16:15] <czajkowski> sorry to clarify earlier the #tag is #locoteams
[16:15] <czajkowski> The Council meets once a month for the approval and re approval of teams. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines  and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[16:15] <czajkowski> If  you are going through one of these processes, you can ask us to have a look at your application prior to the event this makes it easier on all parties and we can give you some pointers if you are missing information.
[16:15] <czajkowski> If you are being re approved this is a standard process that will happen after about 2 years and you just have to go through the same process as before and show us you are still being active.
[16:15] <czajkowski> Have details on your application
[16:16] <czajkowski> name of team how many are in the team launchpad page irc page etc
[16:16] <czajkowski> Have photos! and links to blog posts or mailing list annoucements
[16:16] <czajkowski> tell us what you've done, don't expect us to go through your mailing list loking for  the information
[16:17] <czajkowski> How can we tell if you're active?
[16:17] <czajkowski> Things teams can do to show how active you are doing, TAKE PHOTOS ! I cannot stress how helpful this is to you and to the council to be able to see the event happened! It also is a great way to tell others about the work you are doing as a photo often can show or explain things better than words.
[16:17] <czajkowski> BLOG! about the event once it's in the stages of being planned! Tell people about it! Tell people after the event happened! Let people know how it went!
[16:17] <czajkowski> use the microtag #locoteams it shows up on the loco directory (LD) and also encourages others to try similar events
[16:18] <czajkowski> TEAM REPORTS!!!! TELL the rest of the Ubuntu community about the work you are doing, an easy way to do this  and yes it is easy telling me it's not easy doesn't work :)
[16:18] <czajkowski>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReportsCreate a team reporting section under your team heading page, and each month get a person to create the main reporting month ie. OCTOBER and get them to add the basic content to it,
[16:18] <czajkowski> ie. Team meeting, Ubuntu hour, activity on the mailing list etc and then get them to post it to the team mailing list and ask people to add content to it.  Team reports will be part of the approval and re approval application as of next cycle!
[16:18] <czajkowski> Leading by example we do our own team reports! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamReports
[16:19] <czajkowski> there are over 140 loco teams!
[16:19] <czajkowski> as of last month only 28 did team reports :(
[16:19] <czajkowski> we could spread the Ubuntu word so much more if teams told one another what they are doing
[16:19] <czajkowski> it helps and encourages others to try similar activites
[16:20] <czajkowski> Team issues:
[16:20] <czajkowski> If a team is having a issue, try and resolve the matter internally or talk to the team leader or point of contact.  IF this fails do come talk to us.  We are a 3rd party and want to help, there is no shame in coming to us, nobody should be made to feel bad for coming to us either. We idle in a few team channels which we are working on helping.
[16:20] <czajkowski> as I said earlier on we idle in #ubuntu-locoteams and if you say loco-council it pings us
[16:21] <czajkowski> we can discuss things in there or we can discuss items privately
[16:21] <czajkowski> if teams are having issues with domain names, Mailing lists trademarks issues if you come to us first we can help with those also
[16:22] <ClassBot> xuacu asked: QUESTION: Could team reports be integrated in team pages of the LoCo Directory?
[16:22] <czajkowski> xuacu: there has been a bug logged about this
[16:22] <czajkowski> we have develoeprs who would like to see this happen also
[16:22] <czajkowski> but at present it has not been worked on
[16:22] <czajkowski> the LD Developers are always looking for help
[16:23] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/about/
[16:23] <czajkowski> and welcome patches and volunteers to work on the project
[16:23] <czajkowski> Any more questions ?
[16:24] <czajkowski> There are numerous teams listed on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[16:24] <czajkowski> if there is none near you or close by
[16:25] <czajkowski> join #ubuntu-locoteams and chat with others
[16:25] <czajkowski> or join a channel of a team near by or of the same language and meet others
[16:26] <ClassBot> AlanBell asked: should loco teams be a legal entity with a bank account etc?
[16:26] <czajkowski> hmmm
[16:26] <czajkowski> so some teams depending on their location have had to do this
[16:26] <czajkowski> but honestly, I don't see a need for it unless you are handing large sums of money
[16:27] <czajkowski> if you are going to selling t-shirts or items to raise funds for your team that's one thing
[16:27] <czajkowski> but becoming a legal entitiy is a lot more work and not always needed imo
[16:27] <ClassBot> michael_k asked: Sometimes we run very short of people. Any suggestion on operating on a skeleton crew?
[16:28] <czajkowski> michael_k: ok, what I'd suggest here is spread some of the core items among the people
[16:28] <czajkowski> have a team contact
[16:28] <czajkowski> that's the main priority or someone who can relied upon to pass information from the loco contacts mailing list to your team so they are up to date
[16:28] <czajkowski> that person can chair your meetings
[16:29] <czajkowski> also when you have meetings, PLEASE PLEASE post the minutes of the meeting and outcomes to your mailing list or forum this helps get others interested and also for people who may not be able to make the meeting
[16:29] <czajkowski> have someone if possible to do the team report each month that way it gets done
[16:29] <czajkowski> I understand that some teams are small, mine is also but we share the tasks out
[16:29] <czajkowski> we have a person over the mailing list
[16:30] <czajkowski> the website
[16:30] <czajkowski> and it works well
[16:30] <ClassBot> Pernig asked: Where and who would be my first point of contact to get involved in an existing Loco team?
[16:31] <czajkowski> Pernig: I'd go first to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and find the team closest to me, so in this example I'll pick my team http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie
[16:31] <czajkowski> I can see here their channel is #ubuntu-ie their wiki page and who their team contact is
[16:31] <czajkowski> I can either mail them asking for information or join their channel
[16:31] <czajkowski> any more questions ?
[16:32] <ClassBot> brousch asked: Our LoCo events are much larger than typical LUG meetings in the area. How can I help the LUGs without making it seem like Ubuntu is trying to take over the LUG?
[16:32] <czajkowski> brousch: yup I see that happens a lot.
[16:32] <czajkowski> what I'd suggest is inviting them to an event
[16:33] <czajkowski> perhaps if you hold an Ubuntu hour
[16:33] <czajkowski> extend an invitation to them
[16:34] <czajkowski> also ask them if they are having an event can you join
[16:34] <czajkowski> it works both ways
[16:35] <czajkowski> also on the LD you can see where global events are located http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/326/detail/
[16:35] <czajkowski> which is great if you are travelling and want to stop by and visit
[16:36] <czajkowski> Any more thoughts/questions ?
[16:37] <ClassBot> brousch asked: How can a LoCo get more shwag from Canonical?
[16:37] <czajkowski> well  APPROVED Teams will now get a once off gift from CAnonical
[16:37] <czajkowski> a banner and a table cloth with Ubuntu branding on them
[16:37] <czajkowski> there are also conference packs for teams and items in them vary if you are an approved or unapproved teams
[16:39] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[16:42] <czajkowski> I'd also suggest hanging out in #ubuntu-locoteams  it's a useful channel
[16:43] <czajkowski> and a great way to meet other Ubuntu members from teams
[16:43] <czajkowski> bounce ideas off one another and see what teams are doing
[16:45] <czajkowski> Any other comments?
[16:45] <czajkowski> I know a lot of teams are working really hard with their activites
[16:45] <czajkowski> and doing a great job
[16:45] <czajkowski> but we're here to help and ask for advice, so if you've not run an event before just ask
[16:46] <czajkowski> If there are no other comments or questions I guess we can finish up ?
[16:47] <czajkowski> ok thanks folks
[16:47] <czajkowski> hope this has helped
[16:48] <ClassBot> X-Man89 asked: Is there any guides on running Ubuntu Hour events?
[16:48] <czajkowski> xuacu: wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[16:48] <czajkowski> not really
[16:48] <czajkowski> just pick a venue
[16:48] <czajkowski> date
[16:48] <czajkowski> time
[16:48] <czajkowski> stick to it!
[16:48] <czajkowski> and meet up and chat
[16:49] <czajkowski> what we've found has worked is picking a topic sometimes and discussing it
[16:49] <czajkowski> so in the past I've shown the LD and asked folks to try it and then they submitted bugs :) so it worked
[16:50] <ClassBot> BigWhale asked: Sorry, I just arrived and if this was already answered I apologize. Recently I started to coordinate the effort for Slovenian LoCo. I noticed that somebody was already doing that before me and their request was rejected at that point. Is there anyone who could help with some basic guidelines about what else it is to be done before we apply for another review. I'd hate to be rejected and would need to wait for two more years
[16:50] <czajkowski> BigWhale: well that sounds like 2 people are doing a smilar job
[16:50] <czajkowski> what I'd suggest is talking to them and seeing how far their efforts have gotten them and possibly team up and help
[16:51] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[16:51] <czajkowski> and if you have any issues come talk to myself and the others itnet7 popey leogg and paultag on irc
[16:51] <czajkowski> BigWhale: does that help ?
[16:52] <czajkowski> BigWhale: any issues come talk to us and we'll talk and help.
[16:53] <czajkowski> documenting your work for approval helps grately!
[16:53] <czajkowski> keeping a copy of blog post
[16:53] <czajkowski> or links to media should be included in your application
[16:54] <czajkowski> Ok that's me done for today, I'm back again tomorrow if you want to know how to get more involved in the Ubuntu community from being a user :)
[16:54] <czajkowski> Thanks folks
[16:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[16:57] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu talk in 5 minutes
[16:58] <czajkowski> hmmm
[17:01] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:01] <Riddell> Good afternoon all
[17:01] <Riddell> as you know, Ubuntu makes a bunch of distro variants
[17:02] <Riddell> Kubuntu is the most awesomest one
[17:02] <Riddell> it's an Ubuntu distribution based heavily on KDE Software
[17:02] <Riddell> KDE is a community making the original and best free desktop software as I expect you know
[17:03] <Riddell> on the commercially led<->community sliding scale Kubuntu is much more towards community than e.g. Ubuntu Desktop is
[17:03] <Riddell> but we're a supported project of Canonical (feel free to pay us money to support you!)
[17:04] <Riddell> many years ago KDE was born as a desktop to take over the world
[17:04] <Riddell> a few years ago the desktop was complete but it hadn't taken over the world
[17:04] <Riddell> we KDE realised it wasn't enough to be as good as the competition, you had to be better
[17:04] <Riddell> so much re-writing was done and KDE 4 was born
[17:05] <Riddell> this has been a painful process, since when you rewrite things, they get a better foundation but can lose features for users
[17:05] <Riddell> the good news is that 4.0 was released three years ago!
[17:05] <Riddell> all the little niggles and missing features compared to KDE 3 have gone
[17:05] <Riddell> so we have a very solid and innovative desktop to make a distro with
[17:05] <Riddell> that distro is Kubuntu
[17:06] <Riddell> uLinux: yes, the Kubuntu session is on
[17:06] <Riddell> 10.10 was released yesterday
[17:06] <Riddell> anyone tried it yet?
[17:06] <Riddell> (chat in #ubuntu-classroom-chat incase you hadn't got that)
[17:07] <Riddell> nobody used it yet!  now's the perfect time to try!
[17:08] <Riddell> 17:07 < uLinux> QUESTION: is kubuntu less bloated then Ubuntu?
[17:08] <Riddell> it's a full featured desktop, we try not to add unnecessary dependencies but then I expect so do Ubuntu Desktop people
[17:09] <Riddell> it all manages to fit on a single CD though, which beats any proprietary OS you can think of
[17:09] <Riddell> 17:07 < ulysses> Riddell: I upgraded but it freezes with KDE 4.5.1 and 4.5.2 also:(
[17:09] <Riddell> that's a shame, computers can be annoying like that
[17:09] <Riddell> do use #kubuntu or mailing lists or forums for support to try to debug that
[17:10] <Riddell> 17:08 < luis_lopez> QUESTION: is multitouch supported under Kubuntu?
[17:10] <Riddell> multitouch isn't supported currently, we'll be discussing that at the ubuntu summit in a couple of weeks, feel free to give me hardware I can test it on :)
[17:10] <Riddell> 17:09 < sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Why is Kubuntu so close to vanilla KDE, instead of customising it a bit more like other distros tend to do, themewise and such?
[17:10] <Riddell> because KDE rocks!
[17:11] <Riddell> we like to work with KDE rather than change what they offer, that way everyone wins
[17:11] <Riddell> also other distros customise the theme so you can recognise Kubuntu nicely because we're the one that doesn't :)
[17:11] <Riddell> KDE artwork is great, I don't see any reason to change it
[17:12] <Riddell> 17:10 < Guest36400> So whats the difference between Ubuntu+KDE and Kubuntu?
[17:12] <Riddell> well nothing, Kubuntu is the KDE variant from Ubuntu
[17:12] <Riddell> if you have Ubuntu Desktop installed you can get Kubuntu with just installing the kubuntu-desktop package
[17:13] <Riddell> 17:11 < shauno> (question for here) are all these sessions direct q&a? or do we let them do their bit & wait until questions are invited?
[17:13] <Riddell> shauno: I have some notes to talk from, but it's usually more interesting with questions
[17:13] <Riddell> so feel free to ask
[17:14] <Riddell> 17:09 < ls960> QUESTION: will fix intel drivers 915, 945 and so on?
[17:14] <Riddell> that's up to Intel really I'm afraid
[17:14] <Riddell> KWin uses parts of openGL that are not well supported by all X drivers unfortunately
[17:14] <Riddell> and to make things worse, some drivers claim to suppose those features when they don't
[17:15] <Riddell> this isn't new parts of openGL, it's features that have been working fine on other OSs for years
[17:15] <Riddell> but I know KDE developers will be working with X developers to make sure those problems get fixed
[17:16] <Riddell> 17:13 < crunch2> Question: why does kubuntu seem a "bit" slower then ubuntu? How can we speed up kubuntu? thks
[17:16] <Riddell> that's a tricky question to answer, it's very subjective and usually depends on the hardware you have
[17:16] <Riddell> turning off compositing may help, or it may not
[17:16] <Riddell> make sure nepomuk "Desktop Search" is turned off, that can use lots of resources
[17:17] <Riddell> 17:13 < ulysses> QUESTION: Do you plan using the upstream KDE translations instead of importing them to Launchpad, and then building the language packs, and updating more  frequently the translations?
[17:17] <Riddell> we do use upstream translations of course
[17:18] <Riddell> but as you say they get imported and exported from launchpad
[17:18] <Riddell> which can cause problems when the import/export scripts don't work
[17:18] <Riddell> unfortunately upstream KDE translations aren't perfect either
[17:18] <Riddell> they released the wrong translations for KDE PIM in this release
[17:19] <Riddell> they also won't accept strings we add to our packages (there's about a dozen of them) so we need to do translatins ourselves
[17:19] <Riddell> and Canonical has customers who need to translate Kubuntu all in one place without having to learn about svn exports and po files
[17:20] <Riddell> so I don't expect it to change, although I agree it's not perfect
[17:20] <Riddell> so new in 10.10...
[17:20] <Riddell> the Plasma Netbook workspace has been promoted onto the main Kubuntu download
[17:21] <Riddell> you now get either a netbook or a desktop workspace as best suited to your machine
[17:21] <Riddell> (you can change it manually if you want)
[17:21] <Riddell> this is part of the KDE strategy of making sure KDE Software can fit in on a spectrum of machines
[17:21] <Riddell> from handheld to large desktops
[17:21] <Riddell> along those lines we also have a new Kubuntu Mobile variant using the Plasma Mobile workspace
[17:22] <Riddell> it's very much a technology preview for now
[17:22] <Riddell> but I did see them making a phone call with it at Akademy
[17:22] <Riddell> in Kubuntu 10.10 we also have an updated package manager, now application focused (like Software Centre or App Store)
[17:23] <Riddell> ooh and a new web browser
[17:23] <Riddell> Rekonq is based on Webkit and has an innovative user interface
[17:23] <Riddell> global menu: a new freedesktop spec led by canonical has allowed for a menu bar which is in a panel rather than in the app frame
[17:24] <Riddell> we use this in the netbook workspace now
[17:24] <Riddell> the installer now lets you download MP3 support during the install
[17:24] <Riddell> it also starts the install as soon as you set your partitions, so it's ready sooner
[17:24] <Riddell> we use the new Ubuntu font by default
[17:24] <Riddell> which I think looks lovely
[17:24] <Riddell> and of course all the latest software versions, KDE Platform 4.5, Qt 4.7, Amarok 2.3.2...
[17:25] <Riddell> 17:21 < luis_lopez> QUESTION: Riddell: Tell us something about Qt Quick awesomeness :)
[17:25] <Riddell> Qt Quick is a new feature with Qt 4.7
[17:25] <Riddell> it's a library which lets you write user interfaces in a language similar to CSS stylesheets
[17:26] <Riddell> then write the transitions you want to happen in that UI when actions happen
[17:26] <Riddell> it makes writing desktop apps similar to how I believe Adobe Flash apps are written
[17:26] <Riddell> it allows for designers to gets the results they want sooner and easier
[17:26] <Riddell> we did a tutorial on it a few months ago as part of Kubuntu Tutorials Day
[17:27] <Riddell> Kubuntu developers apachelogger has been playing with writing a video playing in Qt Quick, so we may see some fancy new app in Natty
[17:27] <Riddell> 17:22 < crunch2> Question: why doesnt kubuntu receives all the goodies ubuntu is developing, such as full ubuntu one integration? thks
[17:28] <Riddell> "Ubuntu" is a project that makes distributions such as Ubuntu Desktop or Kubuntu, but there's very little software written by Ubuntu
[17:28] <Riddell> Ubuntu One is written by Canonical
[17:28] <Riddell> and they've done their sums and reconned it's not economically sensible to write Kubuntu frontends to Ubuntu One
[17:29] <Riddell> which is a shame, but that's business for you
[17:29] <Riddell> we did have a project to write them which got quite far but the Ubuntu One team in Canonical hasn't learnt how to work with the community very well yet
[17:29] <Riddell> so they made changes that stopped our bits from working
[17:30] <Riddell> we'll be talking to them about that at the Ubuntu summit
[17:30] <Riddell> 17:21 < Chell> Question: In the past Kubuntu was critiqued of not having as much spit & polish as Ubuntu. Did the Kubuntu team do anything about that for 10.10?
[17:30] <Riddell> we took the more polished KDE software and made it all work for you :)
[17:31] <Riddell> 17:26 < MyPlanetWars> QUESTION: is it possible to have both KDE and GNOME together? if yes, is it stable and which files are shared? (e.g. home directory?)
[17:31] <Riddell> yes very much
[17:31] <Riddell> there's no reason to limit yourself if you need a feature from an app
[17:31] <Riddell> all your files are shared
[17:32] <Riddell> 17:21 < boulabiar> Question: How much developers are working on KDE/Kubuntu compared to Gnome/ubuntu inside Canonical
[17:33] <Riddell> I think a better question is how many people in total work on Kubuntu compared to Ubuntu Desktop
[17:33] <Riddell> I don't know the answer to that
[17:33] <Riddell> but I do know the Kubuntu team is busy and friendly and you should come and join us
[17:34] <Riddell> (I'm avoiding the original question because I don't count how many gnome developers canonical has it's not something I spend much time looking at)
[17:35] <Riddell> here at Kubuntu we pride ourselves on being friendly
[17:35] <Riddell> friendly software, friendly people
[17:35] <Riddell> if we're ever not, do call us out on it!
[17:35] <Riddell> so we should be friendly on support channels for users, on IRC, mailing lists, forums etc
[17:35] <Riddell> and if you want to help out making Kubuntu better, we're always very friendly to that
[17:36] <Riddell> yes we want you for Kubuntu contributors!
[17:36] <Riddell> now is the start of the cycle so we have lots of things to do to get Natty going
[17:36] <Riddell> lots of packages need updating and merging with Debian
[17:36] <Riddell> lots of bugs need triaged (to find out if any stable release updates for 10.10 are needed for example)
[17:36] <Riddell> lots of users need support with 10.10 of course
[17:37] <Riddell> if you want to propose feature ideas for Natty we have UDS
[17:38] <Riddell> the Ubuntu Developer Summit
[17:38] <Riddell> which you can participate in remotely if you aren't in Florida
[17:38] <Riddell> if you are a kubuntu contributor not only do you get international recognition by millions of users
[17:38] <Riddell> you may well also get to come to the next Ubuntu Developer Summit
[17:38] <Riddell> as I say we're having one in a couple of weeks in Florida
[17:39] <Riddell> and some of the people coming were, like many of you, kubuntu users six months ago, but are now fully fledged contributors
[17:39] <Riddell> ideas for natty are being collected at http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty
[17:40] <Riddell> mostly we do our kubuntu development in #kubuntu-devel
[17:40] <Riddell> so if you're interested in helping out do join us there
[17:40] <Riddell> any more questions?
[17:40] <Riddell> or any I've missed?
[17:42] <Riddell> seems not, thanks for listening and asking, let me know if you do have questions and if you want to help with Kubuntu we're waiting for you to join us
[17:43] <Riddell> 17:42 < crunch2> Question: how tight is the cooperation with debian (kde maintainers)?
[17:43] <Riddell> we share beers at events
[17:43] <Riddell> we share patches
[17:43] <Riddell> as with Ubuntu in general we get a lot more from Debian than we give back, but we try to make sure we give back when there are changes they'll be interested in
[17:44] <Riddell> 17:44 < maco> Riddell: how do patches work between kubuntu and kde?
[17:44] <Riddell> most of our patches come from KDE upstream
[17:44] <Riddell> and most of the rest go to KDE upstream
[17:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer got his first patch into KDE today, go shadeslayer!
[17:45] <Riddell> we try to keep any long running patches to a minimum, it becomes unsustainable very quickly if we don't
[17:45] <Riddell> 17:44 < MyPlanetWars> QUESTION: besides the look, is there any difference in kubuntu and ubuntu?
[17:46] <Riddell> all the GUI programmes are different programmes
[17:46] <Riddell> so it's like asking is there any difference between Windows and MacOS, they all let you browse files and look at websites but the details are all different
[17:47] <Riddell> 17:45 < maco> qt and gtk are both LGPL
[17:47] <Riddell> that's true and worth repeating since people seem to forget
[17:48] <Riddell> the main non-technical difference between those two toolkits it Qt is actively developed by a large community and a commercial sponsor
[17:51] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[17:53] <Riddell> thanks again for listening, next up it's "How to contribute to Ubuntu" with devildante
[17:54] <devildante> hi guys :)
[17:55] <jcastro> wait until the time, don't start too early!
[17:55] <devildante> okay
[17:55] <jcastro> it's like ubuntu, strict time schedule! :)
[17:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
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[18:01] <devildante> hello everyone :)
[18:01] <devildante> hope you had a nice maverick day yesterday :)
[18:02] <devildante> Let's begin!
[18:02] <devildante> you installed Ubuntu, and you're all loving it
[18:02] <devildante> and now, you want to give back
[18:03] <devildante> but you don't know where to start
[18:03] <devildante> Don't worry! We'll guide you through contributing to your favorite project :)
[18:04] <devildante> And you'll soon see that coding isn't the only way to contribute - in fact, even the tiniest of contributions can be a great help to the Ubuntu project and community
[18:05] <devildante> there is a whole lot of contributions you can make
[18:06] <devildante> for example, you can spread the word about Ubuntu
[18:06] <devildante> There is a lot of people that don't know there is another OS apart from Windows
[18:07] <devildante> So, for example, you can order CDs from Shipit (over at shipit.ubuntu.com), and them distribute them everywhere
[18:07] <devildante> you can give a talk about Ubuntu in your school/place of work/etc...
[18:08] <devildante> or you can convert your friends
[18:08] <devildante> there are some simple "instructions" at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConvertFriends
[18:10] <ClassBot> cazo asked: So, to "get involved" isn't so easy like it appears... the interesting should be a kind of "sponsor" to get start... but I thing it not possible... is it?
[18:10] <devildante> it depends
[18:10] <devildante> For spreading the word like above, you don't need a sponsor IMO
[18:11] <devildante> If you want to do bug triage (which we will discuss later), you have the option of having a mentor
[18:11] <ClassBot> daker asked: present your self pls!
[18:12] <devildante> well, okay :p
[18:12] <devildante> my name is Mohamed Amine IL Idrissi, I'm 17 years old and I'm part of Ubuntu Bug Control
[18:13] <devildante> I already contributed with code, and I hope to be someday a "high-class" Ubuntu dev :)
[18:13] <devildante> That was the small presentation :p
[18:14] <devildante> okay, let's get to the next topic
[18:15] <devildante> which is donating! you can donate a  small, medium, or big amount of money to the Ubuntu community
[18:15] <devildante> You can donate here: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/donations
[18:16] <devildante> let's continue
[18:17] <devildante> you can do translations! whether it's translating applications, or documentation, you're always welcome :)
[18:18] <devildante> Translating Ubuntu applications, you can do it here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+translations
[18:19] <devildante> If you have any questions about translating, you can ask on the Ubuntu Translations mailing list here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
[18:19] <devildante> any questions until now?
[18:21] <devildante> okay, let's continue :)
[18:22] <ClassBot> cazo asked: AbhiJit, back to get involved. I thing I should start getting involveved, doing the joining, but, after that, what premisses? ask to somebody? What directions?
[18:22] <devildante> There is always someone you can ask questions to
[18:23] <devildante> For translations, I mentioned the mailing list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
[18:24] <devildante> For other activities, we'll cover it later
[18:24] <devildante> Let's continue, we're a little late, I think
[18:25] <devildante> You can also help others with Ubuntu
[18:25] <devildante> There is a lot of unanswered questions on the Ubuntu Users mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[18:26] <devildante> or the #ubuntu channel on IRC
[18:26] <devildante> or the ubuntu forums at http://ubuntuforums.org
[18:26] <devildante> or the launchpad support tracker at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+tickets
[18:27] <devildante> or the recently created Ubuntu Stack Exchange site at http://askubuntu.com
[18:28] <devildante> I am confident you all have enough experience to answer at least some questions :)
[18:28] <ClassBot> BigWhale asked: What do to when you can't reach members of a certain project. For example, a program that needs fixing, you create a patch and none of the developers answer your hails, calls, pleas to include or at least review your patch. Who is next in the chain of command? :)
[18:29] <devildante> If for example you submit a patch to KDE and they don't respond, you can propose it for inclusion in (K)Ubuntu
[18:30] <devildante> we don't usually do that, though. we want to stay in sync with the original projects as much as possible
[18:30] <devildante> okay, let's continue
[18:31] <devildante> You can write documentation
[18:32] <devildante> for example, if your monitor isn't working properly and you found a workaround, you can write a community help page to help others that have the same problem
[18:34] <devildante> to do that, read the DocumentationTeam wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[18:35] <devildante> it will surely guide you :)
[18:35] <devildante> you can also ask on #ubuntu-doc
[18:35] <ClassBot> drcooper asked: If I know gtk and wants to contribute, but is not familiar with the code or organization of gnome, where do you suggest I start ?
[18:37] <devildante> Start by something you're interested in
[18:37] <devildante> and contact the developers to help you, either directly or on their mailing list (the latter is preferable)
[18:38] <ClassBot> daker asked: is there a specific format for writing a documentation? i mean Software documentation
[18:38] <devildante> If it's for Ubuntu, there isn't a specific one, just follow the general wiki guidelines
[18:39] <devildante> If it's on another project documentation/wiki, that depends, each one has its style
[18:39] <devildante> any other questions?
[18:40] <devildante> okay, let's continue :)
[18:41] <ClassBot> Chell asked: Can you tell a bit about the Karma system. Why is it important?
[18:41] <devildante> It's not *that* important, it just measures your contributions
[18:42] <devildante> It also decays over time, so to let newcomers have a chance against veterans
[18:42] <devildante> Let's continue
[18:42] <devildante> You can create artwork for Ubuntu
[18:43] <devildante> I don't know much on the subject, I'll just let you visit those two links: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[18:43] <devildante> And the mailing list:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[18:44] <devildante> You can also see the currently approved projects at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art/+specs and start there
[18:46] <devildante> Next, we have bug triaging
[18:46] <devildante> There is a lot of bugs filed in Launchpad, and the list is growing steadily over time
[18:47] <devildante> so there is a group of bug triagers that examines these bugs, verify if they are valid, send them to the original projects, etc...
[18:48] <devildante> This group is called the Ubuntu Bug Squad team, more infos at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[18:48] <devildante> To see how to help with bugs, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[18:49] <devildante> You can also ask for a mentor to guide you through triaging bugs, you can see how to apply here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[18:50] <devildante> You can also test your systems, more info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[18:50] <devildante> (I'll speed up a little)
[18:50] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:51] <ClassBot> xuacu asked: how can we, non technical users, help with bugs?
[18:51] <devildante> A common misconception is that bug triaging is essentially bug fixing
[18:51] <devildante> it is not
[18:52] <devildante> you just verify the bug applies to you, ask for more information relevant to the bug, send it upstream, etc... all things to make the bug ready for the developer to fix
[18:52] <devildante> Let's continue
[18:53] <devildante> If you have an idea that can improve Ubuntu, you can propose it to the Ubuntu developers
[18:53] <devildante> all this is happening at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[18:54] <devildante> The final way to contribute is, of course, programming!
[18:55] <devildante> I won't talk much about it, here's a link for the avid readers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[18:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:56] <devildante> There is also a session specially for Ubuntu Developement, by Bilal Akhtar at Wednesday 15:00 UTC
[18:57] <devildante> Also, for those who want to help with translating, there is David Planella's session, tomorrow at 14:00 UTC
[18:57] <ClassBot> Chell asked: what skill level is required to help triage bugs? What happens you one screws up?
[18:58] <devildante> already answered, but we'll answer it again for logs :p
[18:58] <devildante> You don't need a high skill level to triage bugs
[18:59] <devildante> If you're not sure of something, you can always ask fellow triagers on #ubuntu-bugs
[18:59] <devildante> any other question? (quick, quick!)
[19:00] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[20:54] <jadder_> oscarmbp
[20:54] <oscarmbp> ?
[20:55] <jadder_> you have to speak in english here
[20:55] <oscarmbp> ok np
[20:55] <jadder_> go to panas, again
[21:03] <MichealH> How do I arrange a class in here?
[21:04] <nhandler> MichealH: /join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage and we can help you with that
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[04:09] <b0nghitter> i hope it would be possible for ubuntu server 10 to be supported by cpanel.. hopefully the devs could contact them and get it going..
[04:10] <b0nghitter> i was forced into using centos for now. very disappointed..
[05:30] <KM0201> why is it that sudo fdisk -l always shows my /dev/md0 as not having a valid partition table?
[05:31] <KM0201> i formatted it as ext4, before install
[05:39] <qman__> md raid devices don't have partition tables, normally
[05:39] <qman__> they either have LVMs or filesystems
[05:41] <KM0201> qman__: oh ok
[05:41] <KM0201> well, it has a filesystem (i can read/write to it no problem)
[05:41] <KM0201> i jus tthought that was a weird output ... guess i was wrong.
[05:41] <KM0201> tx
[06:45] <koolhead17> hi all
[08:45] <MACscr> my ubuntu server is running as a xen pvm and its having major time issues, look how fast the time is moving here: http://screencast.com/t/TbiEYeMMRIJ
[08:50] <Abhijit> hi
[08:50] <Abhijit> help
[08:51] <Abhijit> apache and phpmyadmin are running but still php scripts are not being parsed firefox ask to download. this is local server. help please
[08:51] <Abhijit> itsa  lamp on lucid 64 bit
[08:56] <andygraybeal> MACscr, i like how 11 seconds went by after one second :)
[08:59] <MACscr> andygraybeal: i know, its screwed up. THe clock is already 2 hours ahead and i just set it 20 or so minutes ago
[08:59] <MACscr> any ideas?
[09:06] <Abhijit> apache and phpmyadmin are running but still php scripts are not being parsed firefox ask to download. this is local server. help please
[09:58] <andygraybeal> MACscr, no man, i have no idea
[09:58] <andygraybeal> i don'yt know much about any of this
[10:28] <GG111> greetings all,  I got a real bad one with PopTop , ( PPTPD),  "
[10:28] <GG111> "  GRE: Bad checksum from pppd " is the error, cannot connect  ( after being able to ) from XP and Win7 machines to my PPTP server .
[10:49] <archayl> hi, how do i make ubuntu samba wins server to appear in network browsing through pptp? i'm able to access using unc but the name doesn't seems to be broadcasted. tq.
[11:05] <RoyK> archayl: wins may help
[11:06] <RoyK> archayl: windows traditionally uses smb broadcasts to locate services, and those broadcasts may not be forwarded over the tunnel. wins is the old name resolution system. later versions (from win2k etc) have changed this to using dns
[11:10] <archayl> RoyK: i've already made smbd as wins server. I've used nblookup in windows and found the wins server using netbios name. should i look into dns for network browsing purpose? trying to access from windows 7.
[11:27] <RoyK> win7 is set to use the particular wins server?
[11:36] <archayl> RoyK: in the connection status for pptp connection it states the IPv4 WINS server. tcpdump states that there are netbios communication happens in the tunnel.
[11:38] <archayl> RoyK: one of them http://dpaste.com/620658/
[11:43] <koolhead17> RoyK: howdy
[11:59] <archayl> RoyK: query using nblookup which returns as expected (tcpdump) http://dpaste.com/620664/
[12:03] <RoyK> archayl: does ipconfig /all return the wins server?
[12:03] <RoyK> it may have to be set in the windows network config
[12:05] <archayl> RoyK: yup, it's there http://dpaste.com/620668/
[12:05] <RoyK> sorry, don't know then
[12:06] <archayl> RoyK: thank you anyway for trying to help me :)
[12:07] <RoyK> np :)
[12:24] <mfranz> has anyone ever got PXE boot working with through a KVM created through virt-manager?
[12:25] <mfranz> I'm sniffing on the network and never even see the DHCP request go out
[14:39]  * RoyK just bought a AOC-SAT2-MV8 over ebay for $38
[14:39] <RoyK> good for a home server :D
[14:58] <x404x> do i need postfix to have ubuntu email reports ?
[15:05] <RoyK> x404x: you need an mta, postfix is good for that
[17:01] <juliux_> hi, i have a problem with adding something to my ldap as non admin user, you can find everything on http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/402882/ what have I done wrong with my acl's?
[17:14] <maxb> olcAccess: {2}to * by dn="cn=admin,dc=juliux,dc=de" write by * read
[17:15] <maxb> takes precedence over what follows it
[17:15] <maxb> The "to * ... by * read" matches everything, so nothing after that in the ACL will take effect
[17:15] <maxb> juliux_: ^
[17:16] <juliux_> maxb: ok
[17:17] <juliux_> maxb: so the solution would be to change the order of the acl's?
[17:18] <maxb> yes
[17:19] <juliux_> maxb: what would be the easiest way to do this?
[17:19] <maxb> I don't know... I greatly dislike the slapd.d/**.ldif configuration model, and stick with a plain slapd.conf myself
[17:24] <juliux_> maxb: :D
[17:24] <juliux_> maxb: also if i delete the  to * by dn="cn=admin,dc=juliux,dc=de" write by * read
[17:24] <juliux_> it is not working
[17:28] <b0gatyr> hello, I have a perl script that uses IO::Socket::INET and when executing I get this message: Your vendor has not defined Socket macro SO_REUSEPORT, used at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/IO/Socket/INET.pm line 193
[17:28] <b0gatyr> any clues?
[18:02] <LinuxAdmin> Hi, I forgot a KVM VM password, but I can mount it's filesystem with kvm-nbd on a local folder
[18:02] <LinuxAdmin> what do I do next to change the password?
[18:03] <LinuxAdmin> I already upload ssh certificate to .ssh/authorized_keys, to try login with passwordless, but it didn't work
[18:03] <LinuxAdmin> what can I do next?
[18:04] <LinuxAdmin> I can mount it on a local folder in the host
[18:04] <ersi> Can you or can you not mount the filesystem?
[18:05] <ersi> If you can, just change your password in /etc/shadow
[18:05] <LinuxAdmin> yes I can
[18:06] <LinuxAdmin> but /etc/shadow is encrypted and the same password on different hosts give different hash result and I'm afraid of copy from another host
[18:06] <ersi> It's alright to copy it from another host
[18:06] <ersi> It's supposed to be different, since it's a salted password
[18:06] <ersi> if it's the same, it's bad.
[18:07] <LinuxAdmin> why does the same password give different hash?
[18:07] <LinuxAdmin> on different hosts...
[18:07] <ersi> because extra information is added, to make the hash different
[18:07] <ersi> so that some wiseguy can't make a huge list with "password1 = this hash, pass2 = this hash"
[18:08] <LinuxAdmin> and will it work copy and past from another host?
[18:08] <ersi> Yupp. You could copy the old file so that you'll have it later if you want to
[18:08] <LinuxAdmin> ok, I'll try it. Thanks
[18:09] <LinuxAdmin> I give feed back in a minute
[18:09] <ersi> np :)
[18:15] <LinuxAdmin> ersi, it doesn't work, I already restart VM but I can't login. any more ideias?
[18:19] <LinuxAdmin> I already did this in a physical machine, I boot from a live cd, chroot to the right mounted folder, and passwd the user account
[18:19] <LinuxAdmin> I'm afraid of doing chroot on the VM host
[18:19] <LinuxAdmin> any more ideias?
[18:19] <ersi> You could just reboot the virtual machine, press edit when it boots and add init=/bin/bash to your bootline
[18:20] <ersi> that'll hax your way into the machine and you can 'passwd <user>' it like usual
[18:22] <LinuxAdmin> press edit? Portuguese keyboard does not have that key
[18:23] <LinuxAdmin> when I used lilo a few years ago, after I choose the kernel to boot I would write single and I could single-user (root), now I don't know how to do this
[18:24] <LinuxAdmin> it's in grub I suppose
[18:27] <cloakable> the grub menu will tell you how to edit entries
[18:29] <LinuxAdmin> I think I'll try to boot VM from a live CD and chroot it as I would with physical machines
[18:30] <LinuxAdmin> I think this should work
[18:31] <LinuxAdmin> I'm a little bit disappointed because I can access file system and this should be enough :(
[18:51] <LinuxAdmin> ersi, I tryed to copy /etc/shadow line of the same user, from different VMs with same user/password, restarted the VM, but login fails
[18:52] <LinuxAdmin> Any more ideias? I think I'll restart VM from CD and use a live CD to chroot and passwd user
[18:53] <LinuxAdmin> I can't find any other option
[18:54] <LinuxAdmin> I'm just a little bit disappointed because I can access file system :(
[19:17] <Dulcin> Hi, I'm wondering, I just enabled the rewrite module for apache, and restarted apache, but mod_rewrite still doesn't seem to work?
[19:17] <Dulcin> any idea what this could be?
[19:19] <Dulcin> ah, had to allow it in the config file for the vhost as well in apache
[19:19] <Dulcin> thanks!
[20:18] <x404x> what is the best way to ensure file integrity ? I want a script to check weekly all files and report bad/changed ones by email , is sfv good enough for this ? or should i use sha1 or something similar ? the sha1 i use makes different checksums for windows and linux and are thus not compatible, what software packages are most useful for this purpose ?
[20:19] <x404x> I am also thinking of putting all the check files on a mirror on the os disk to not clutter up the file drive too much
[20:19] <mfranz> well one way (which not only reports) but changes them is to use puppet to enforce that only the right versions are installed (primarily for config files)
[20:21] <mfranz> x404x: also "apt-cache search iwatch"
[20:22] <mfranz> and "apt-cache search inotify"
[20:22] <x404x> can puppet change the windows sha1 files into ones usable for linux ?
[20:22] <mfranz> no, so you want something cross platform?
[20:25] <mfranz> if you need something cross platform there is the closed-source/commercial versions of tripwire
[20:25] <x404x> it would be a big plus if it could use existing sfv and sha1 files to check
[20:25] <mfranz> what is sfv?
[20:25] <x404x> I guess i could do a sha1 check in windows and the nuke those files and put in something for linux
[20:26] <x404x> its the most common crc file used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_file_verification
[20:26] <x404x> most of my older files have these already
[20:27] <x404x> hm ill look into inotify and iwatch
[20:27] <x404x> seems theres a ton of utils there to mirror and check stuff
[20:28] <mfranz> those are just for monitoring (vs. deviation from a known good signature)
[20:28] <mfranz> BTW
[20:28] <x404x> im mostly interested in mirror any file thats not there already to a backup server and check for integrity if a drive starts failing
[20:28] <mfranz> inotify is kernel-space so that is nice, no daemon or agent running hash checks
[20:29] <x404x> hm rsync might work to mirror drives
[20:29] <mfranz> hehe, yeah (there is also something called lsyncd)
[20:29] <x404x> i see
[20:30] <x404x> another congress liberary of docs to read lol
[20:30] <dassouki> is there a web app that one can host on their server to design uml and allow teams to build/design umls
[20:30] <mfranz> I think that is basically just inotify+rsync
[20:30] <mfranz> haven't tried it though
[20:32] <x404x> no man for iwatch
[20:33] <x404x> when i installed ubuntu 11.04 i got a different desktop than the one im used to from 10 something, can i change that ?
[20:33] <guntbert> !classic | x404x
[20:33] <x404x> here i need to open +apps and scroll forever just to open a terminal window
[20:34] <guntbert> x404x: why are you asking that in #ubuntu-server ?
[20:34] <x404x> well thats what im building hehe
[20:35] <guntbert> x404x: with a desktop environment? if you say so,...
[20:36] <x404x> hm yes i though it odd that id did not ask me for that
[20:36] <x404x> maybe i should get ubuntu server version ?
[20:36] <x404x> anyway some utils are gui based so i need something to handle that anyway
[20:37] <x404x> just text based wont do for all utils
[20:37] <guntbert> x404x: I don't know what you want/need but *this* channel is intended for the server version
[20:38] <x404x> if i logout will that stop a copy operation i have going ?
[20:40] <guntbert> x404x: if you didn't employ screen, yes
[20:59] <LinuxAdmin> ersi, I copyed /etc/shadow respective line from other host and now it's working, now I can login. thanks
[20:59] <LinuxAdmin> I was mounting another VM, that's the reason why it wasn't working :)
[21:03] <x404x> hm I guess it never occured to me to get the server version (blush) maybe i should try that instead, does that use gnome as default ?
[21:11] <x404x> well im building a fileserver to hold most of my files in a central place instead of over a lot other pcs, since im tired of replacing and checking for files that go bad when drives wear out it should have some good integrity checks for that and also another server as a backup for the first one
[21:12] <x404x> now i have several dozen drives in pcs all over and its hard to find something i need lol
[21:12] <x404x> kinda neat with hotswap cages ;=)
[21:13] <x404x> a lot more neat than the old stack where i had to dismantle the whole box to change a drive
[21:13] <patdk-lap> sounds like a case for zfs :)
[21:13] <x404x> hehe if it was easyer to replace drives in a raid when they fail i would agree
[21:14] <patdk-lap> easier to replace?
[21:14] <x404x> but i tryed for days and finally gave up, also the 2+ days to resync the raid is not fun
[21:14] <patdk-lap> didn't know drives in a raid are hard to replace, normally I just pull out bad one, insert new one, click, rebuild
[21:14] <x404x> yes to get the system to accept the new drive and rebuild it
[21:14] <patdk-lap> there is no way to get around rebuild time
[21:14] <patdk-lap> except to have a faster drives
[21:15] <x404x> I tryed that but it failed
[21:15] <x404x> coz the drives are not identical
[21:15] <x404x> used a 3ware controller
[21:15] <patdk-lap> they don't really have to be identical, they just have to be larger
[21:15] <x404x> I tryed anything to make the new drive identical to the old including dd the whole drive to copy it , but still no deal, I found no way to make it work again
[21:16] <x404x> i ended up with the broken raid and a new drive alone
[21:17] <x404x> i had a lot of power failures here also and in the end I found raid to be not fun to play with
[21:17] <x404x> although im impressed i managed to reconver all the data from it even after all the mayhem
[21:17] <x404x> I still havent got my ups running
[21:18] <x404x> single drives are easyer to handle if somthing goes wrong
[21:18] <x404x> and as storages gets bigger the recovery will wear out new drives before its done
[21:19] <x404x> I read raid5 and even raid6 is becoming obsolete now
[21:19] <twenty2two> hi all...i am running g-apps for my mail server, but am trying to get the contact forms to work on the actual server...does anyone know the process? do i need to just add postfix/will that interfere with g-apps mail?
[21:19] <x404x> by the time it runs again another drice is sure to have failed
[21:25] <arooni-mobile> i'm trying to figure out why i'm not currently able to receive paypal notifications on my web app server.  i am in the paypal sandbox but i can't get a paypal notification to be sent to my server "IPN delivery failed. Unable to connect to the specified URL. Please verify the URL and try again." ... is there a way to see if any ip addresses have been banned etc?
[21:28] <lenios> try a wget URL
[21:35] <x404x> whats a good program to compare directory trees to see if all files are identical to a backup ?
[21:38] <jeeves_moss> is there a way I can thin out my configs and fix the "relay not premitted" errors that I'm getting?  postconf -n=http://pastebin.com/JxyCMen3   http://pastebin.com/ENHnVqrT      http://pastebin.com/M9F0tpNK
[21:57] <arooni-mobile> i'm trying to figure out why i'm not currently able to receive paypal notifications on my web app server.  i am in the paypal sandbox but i can't get a paypal notification to be sent to my server "IPN delivery failed. Unable to connect to the specified URL. Please verify the URL and try again." ... is there a way to see if any ip addresses have been banned etc?
[22:12] <JamesT_> Hi, I am having trouble connecting my ubuntu server macine to my university campus wifi. The details we are given about the network are here: http://www.ucc.ie/en/sit/network/wireless/tech/ This is my wpa_supplicant.conf http://pastebin.com/WnrpP3j5 It seems to be connecting (according to iwconfig). But dhclient doesnt work.)
[22:27] <arooni-mobile> hi folks;  i just bought a mobile broadband wireless card.  it give me an ip address of x.x.x.x;  i'd like to make it so i can access my web app via http://ip-address-of-moile-wifi-card:80  ; or http://ip-address-of-moile-wifi-card:3000 ... i'm running ubuntu linux 11.04; is this possible?
[22:33] <cloakable> arooni-mobile: depends on if the IP is behind a NAT; many mobile broadband ip's are.
[22:41] <arooni-mobile> cloakable, how would i find out
[22:41] <cloakable> arooni-mobile: look at the ip address. Is it in the RFC private address space?
[22:42] <cloakable> arooni-mobile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_address_spaces
[22:42] <drapedup> anyone recommend a good, recent php/mysql book ?
[23:20] <Ash-Fox> If I wanted to setup a port forward in Ubuntu server, do I just write a simple script with my iptables rules that cron launches on @reboot, or does Ubuntu have some specific firewall system that I /should/ be using instead?
[23:22] <ChmEarl> Ash-Fox, same as other distros, try using iptables-restore
[23:22] <Ash-Fox> Alrighty, thanks.
[23:52] <talntid> I have an Ubuntu Server, and when I try to ping a host (google.com, for example)... it immediately resolves to IP, but the pings don't start happening for like... 4 seconds..  then they have 23ms response times.... what could be slowing this down?
[23:53] <talntid> and its like 3-4 seconds between each ping response.. but the latency is low