[01:59] <InHisName> Hi ChinnoDog, did you see this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pnmini/pnmini-positive-negative-power-supply-module-for-m   <-- thats the real end of link in my browser.   ---  quarter size +,- power supply converters (80-90% efficient)  ?
[04:02]  * InHisName tosses a PIN into the room
[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:35] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: Looks pretty useful. I like it.
[14:12] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: I need some more jumpers for my bread boards.  are there really good priced sources that you know ?
[14:15] <brill> InHisName: adafruit.com ebay.com
[14:17] <InHisName> what search string is good for that on ebay ?   Or go to Microcenter.
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> Microcenter is the only retail outlet I've ever been able to find mini jumpers at.
[15:25] <DrownedTurkey> literally all of east falls was/is  underwater
[15:37] <adom> ChinnoDog: RadioShack has a bunch of circuitry.
[15:41] <ChinnoDog> adom: They used to.  I don't know why anyone goes there anymore.
[15:42] <DrownedTurkey> waltman: no just got wet
[15:45] <waltman> ChinnoDog: maybe if you really need a resistor and can't wait for the order to arrive?
[15:45] <waltman> otherwise, yeah
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> Find a real electronics store?
[16:03] <waltman> There aren't many real bricks and mortar electronics stores these days.
[19:54] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: I liked a place in Winter Park Fla called -- Skycraft Electronics.  Above their building was a 'flying saucer' rotating at a tilt on a pole.   They sold surplus, used, and new electronics parts and equipment.  Like many other B&M places, they're probably gone too, now.   -- I think there was a place here like that,but the guy died back in the '90s and whole place got auctioned away.
[19:56] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[19:56] <ChinnoDog> I haven't built any electronics projects lately or I would have hunted down my local outlet.
[19:59] <ChinnoDog> Reddit says it is this place: http://www.arcade-electronics.com/
[19:59] <ChinnoDog> Looks like a store I would go to.
[19:59] <ChinnoDog> Bookmarked.
[20:23] <adom> what's that site from the guy from the podcast...
[20:31] <adom> element14
[20:31] <adom> http://www.newark.com/?COM=element14_store_Experts&utm_expid=62446763-21.1SdjuOS7T0ua205Pf_VXZQ.0&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.element14.com%2Fcommunity%2Fcommunity%2Fexperts%2Fbenheck
[20:31] <adom> looks like a reseller sight... :/
[22:13] <ChinnoDog> That looks like it is online only
[22:14] <ChinnoDog> adom: We should go to Arcade.


[00:04] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1196752 makes me think "what the heck is goind on?!"
[00:05] <brainwash> ah, so nm relies on upower which relies on logind...
[00:06] <brainwash> screw this mess :)
[07:03] <olbi> hi guys
[07:03] <elfy> morning olbi
[07:03] <olbi> again in my Xubu 13.10 Beta doesn't work restart button after upgrades :P
[08:19] <astraljava> Does anyone know how to enable 256 in saucy's xfce4-terminal?
[08:20] <astraljava> Setting the normal compatibility (xterm-256color) will not work, complains about not finding the correct info from /etc/termcap (which is correct, as there is no such file).
[08:25] <astraljava> Hmm... ok, so it is there by default, but still my weechat looks off.
[08:48] <astraljava> Right, just needed to export a $TERM, so that ssh knew about it.
[10:06] <brainwash> olbi: does the shutdown button work?
[10:06] <olbi> normal button works
[10:07] <olbi> but after updates, when dialog option for restart appears, that button doesn't work
[10:07] <olbi> i will check it one more time, in new machine
[10:08] <brainwash> ok, so it's the update-manager
[10:09] <brainwash> bug 1232363
[10:09] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1232363
[10:09] <elfy> ninja'd by brainwash
[10:10] <brainwash> just found this report, is it really xubuntu-specific?
[10:10] <elfy> no idea tbh brainwash - I forgot I posted it
[10:12] <brainwash> did the button fail or the did the system fail to restart after pressing the button?
[10:12] <elfy> press the button - nothing happens
[10:13] <elfy> got an oldish ubuntu iso - will try that in a vm
[10:21] <olbi> brainwash: thx for the bug :)
[10:29] <elfy> brainwash: restarted ok in ubuntu
[10:36] <brainwash> olbi: any error messages in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log ?
[10:37] <brainwash> ideally you would need to check the log file after pressing the button
[10:38] <brainwash> or start the update-manager inside a terminal window to get the error output
[10:39] <olbi> only xfce4-indicator-plugin errors
[10:43] <elfy> just doing that in the vm - hopefully it'll be looking for a restart
[10:43] <brainwash> without any information other than "button does not work" it will take some time to find out why it fails :(
[10:43] <olbi> if there will be some updates that need restart then I will save the errors
[10:45] <elfy> brainwash: ok - so pressing restart pointlessly - adds nothing to startxfce4.log
[10:46] <brainwash> and starting it inside a terminal window?
[10:47] <brainwash> update-manager I think
[10:48] <elfy> says nothing after the button is pressed
[10:50] <elfy> I'll leave the vm open in the same state in case you can think of anything to check
[10:54] <elfy> though it does give this in terminal - when it starts - "warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission Denied"
[10:54] <elfy> but that makes sense as at that point it's not had a password
[11:07] <elfy> bluesabre: yep - did that - works fine - commented in bug 1193621
[11:07] <bluesabre> thanks elfy
[11:08] <elfy> no - thank you :)
[11:08] <bluesabre> dvd support seems messed up in 13.10
[11:08] <bluesabre> there is no /dev/dvd
[11:09] <bluesabre> and symlinking it to sr0 doesn't make it work for totem or parole
[11:09] <bluesabre> though vlc figures it out
[11:10] <knome> i've always had the same problems with that
[11:10] <knome> i mean, with parole, and other apps as well
[11:11] <bluesabre> this is the first time for me, it's always worked pre-13.10
[11:11] <olbi> that's why I'm using VLC :D
[11:11] <knome> think that's something that should be fixed on a larger scale; eg. if /dev/dvd doesn't work, and a dvd is recognised, it should be created so it works
[11:12] <bluesabre> agreed
[11:14] <brainwash> elfy: used update-manager to fetch the latest updates and the restart button did trigger a restart of my system, so I can't confirm this issue
[11:17] <elfy> mmm
[11:17] <elfy> odd then
[11:19] <elfy> brainwash: you did that in a vanilla install or in one you've been fiddling - another reason I wish I'd remembered this morning, then I'd have done it in a vanilla and this one
[11:21] <brainwash> elfy: my test installation (2 weeks old already, bloated with every DE and all the top 100 applications)
[11:21] <elfy> I'd assumed so :)
[11:22] <elfy> same issue on this - fiddled about with things over the last couple of weeks - so no idea if doing so clears the issue
[11:25] <brainwash> it seems to only to affect a small range of users (2?)
[11:28] <elfy> at the moment :p
[11:29] <elfy> I know I tend to actually only use update manager now and again to test it
[11:29] <elfy> I'd imagine lots of people update/grade with apt-get
[11:30] <elfy> at least lots of those during pre-release
[11:32] <elfy> posting it on the forum see if anyone else see's it
[13:04] <jjfrv8> elfy, I me too'd bug 1232363. I saw it during by b2 testing, but thought I had mis-clicked something so I didn't report it.
[13:06] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, I've been playing with the Parole docs on docuwiki and have a couple of questions.
[13:06] <elfy> jjfrv8: ta
[13:17] <brainwash> maybe dbus related, but update-manager should throw a timeout error in case there is a communication problem
[13:23] <jjfrv8> Just ran update-manager from the terminal.  Called for a restart. It won't.
[13:24] <jjfrv8> I also had a problem right after launching it.  It said it couldn't download the repository information and to check my internet connection.
[13:24] <jjfrv8> That's happened the last few times I've run it.
[13:25] <jjfrv8> If I run it anyway, it works.
[13:26] <jjfrv8> A couple of errors and lots of warnings showing in the terminal.
[13:27] <elfy> permission errors - they make sense to me - you're not running it as root and it's after root stuff
[13:29] <jjfrv8> ok. The errors are "root:Could not find any typelib for Dbusmenu" and same thing for "Unity"
[13:30] <elfy> debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied
[13:30] <elfy> and I see those errors and the warning
[13:31] <jjfrv8> yup
[13:32] <elfy> I'm glad someone I know sees the same thing - I hate when you get a confirmation and have no idea who it is :p
[13:32] <brainwash> same here, but it did restart
[13:47] <jjfrv8> Here's that warning I get every time I run update manager now: imagebin.org/273088
[13:50] <jjfrv8> Never mind. I see why that is.
[13:51] <elfy> pebkac ?
[13:51] <elfy> :)
[13:52] <jjfrv8> ?
[13:53] <elfy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebkac#Acronyms_and_other_names_for_a_user_error
[13:53] <jjfrv8> that's the one. :(
[13:54] <elfy> happens all the time here :)
[13:58] <jjfrv8> bbl
[15:14] <ochosi> elfy: i can confirm that bug as well. restart doesn't work
[15:15] <ochosi> brainwash: that bug exactly confirms what was said earlier: ubuntu transitions to new systems too quickly and sometimes a bit recklessly
[15:16] <ochosi> although you can argue that this is not LTS so they can experiment and fix it for 14.04
[15:27] <elfy> thanks ochosi
[15:27] <elfy> I've subscribed us to it now
[15:28] <ochosi> thanks
[16:06] <micahcowan> laptop lid suspends, no matter what I tell it in the settings manager.
[16:07] <micahcowan> Installed via USB startup disk, but /home is a separate partition, so any existing user config from previous (raring) install would be carried over, if that's part of the problem.
[16:08] <micahcowan> (this is probably wrong chan, which is right? is there a #xubuntu+1 or similar? apologies for the noise)
[16:09] <brainwash> micahcowan: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[16:09] <micahcowan> Tried that... do I also have to run some "service restart foo" thing to get it respected, or ought that to have "just worked"?
[16:09] <micahcowan> And, if it doesn't work, does that mean the problem lies with g-s-d rather than systemd/logind?
[16:10] <micahcowan> (HandleLidSwitch=ignore)
[16:10] <brainwash> and you removed the '#' also, right?
[16:10] <ochosi> micahcowan: with settings-manager, you're referring to the powermanager's settings, right?
[16:10] <micahcowan> yes
[16:11] <micahcowan> nm about g-s-d, that'd be gnome-specific wouldn't it :D
[16:11] <brainwash> indeed
[16:12] <micahcowan> Does the powermanager setting store somewhere under ~/.config or something? I'd be happy to blow that away and reload the settings, in case it's having issues with differences in text format between raring and saucy, or something...
[16:12] <ochosi> no, that's in an xml file
[16:12] <micahcowan> and yes, I removed the #. Is it reread automatically by logind, or do I need to "bump" it?
[16:12] <ochosi> you can use the "settings editor" to double-check on the config
[16:13] <ochosi> bbl
[16:13] <micahcowan> IIRC, some select boxes were "blank", rather than having the proper settings, so I have a suspicion the XML format for those settings may have changed... where are they located?
[16:14] <micahcowan> (but even after setting them properly, they don't seem to be taking effect)
[16:16] <brainwash> regarding logind, check the output of "gdbus introspect --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --only-properties"
[16:17] <micahcowan> Hm, appears to be suspend
[16:18] <micahcowan> Okay, got it
[16:19] <micahcowan> Did "sudo service systemd-logind restart", and now those readings look right
[16:19] <micahcowan> ...and laptop lid didn't kill my xchat session, so that's a good sign :)
[16:20] <micahcowan> now, is it still a sign of "something wrong" that logind's settings get used directly, rather than xfce4-power-manager-settings handling things when it's running?
[16:21] <micahcowan> And, for my future reference, is there a support channel for development releases, so I'm not pestering developers in the development channel next time...
[16:21] <brainwash> nothing is actually wrong, it's not configured properly
[16:21] <micahcowan> Thanks for your help
[16:21] <brainwash> yea, try #ubuntu+1
[16:22] <micahcowan> They'll handle Xubuntu-ish questions too, then? (I realize that logind is general, but xfce4-power-manager-settings isn't, and my understanding is that the desktop power manager is meant to trump logind, or something... at least from the banter on Malone)
[16:23] <brainwash> well, logind is new and still no integrated fully
[16:25] <brainwash> apps still rely on upower instead of calling logind
[16:26] <brainwash> it will be sorted soon, but sadly not in time for the final release of 13.10
[16:26] <micahcowan> Ah, that's good information to have.
[16:26] <micahcowan> Yeah, no big surprise there. Maybe it'll make it into 13.10.1.
[16:27] <micahcowan> So long as I have the workaround... it was getting damned annoying losing my ssh and IM and all that, every time I close my lid :) ...I really appreciate the help.
[16:27] <brainwash> 13.10 is somewhat like a experimental ground for the next LTS release
[16:28] <brainwash> glad we could help you :)
[19:07] <Unit193> Well crap, shouldn't have updated.
[19:07] <knome> hm?
[19:09] <elfy> I found that once
[19:12] <Unit193> It's doing fairly good at showing the desktop background, but not much else.  Crash on startup, dbus-daemon...
[19:12] <Unit193> And xfce4-power-manager.  Also a random permission denied message, but don't know what for.
[20:13] <Unit193> Okay.... So downloaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/1.6.12-0ubuntu6 and seems to be working now...
[20:14] <Unit193> Ah, the other computer hasn't updated to the new one, it's still on 7.  Can anyone confirm that 8 does "bad things" with them?
[20:20] <brainwash> 8 is addressing some apparmor issues
[20:22] <brainwash> so disable apparmor temporary
[20:23] <Unit193> That's what the changelog said, yeah.  I downgraded, worked.
[20:25] <brainwash> time to file a bug report
[20:25] <Unit193> But it's not hit you?
[20:28] <brainwash> I'm behind with updates, so still on 7
[20:43] <Unit193> Oh gosh I'm terrible with reports. :/  Bug #1237059
[20:46]  * Unit193 wonders how long it'll take before it gets marked "invalid"
[20:48] <brainwash> does the report even exist?
[20:49] <Unit193> Yes, something marked it as "Private"
[20:50] <brainwash> oh, does it contain private data?
[20:52] <Unit193> Thought apport retracer was going to do something.  It has some logs which seemed fine, and a dump I didn't open.
[20:53] <brainwash> So I guess I'll wait before updating dbus :D
[20:53] <Unit193> Nooo, update and confirm! :P
[20:57] <brainwash> I better don't mess with dbus anymore
[21:14] <DJJeff> Thunar and mousepad keep freezing and locking up due to libglib2.0-0  (2.38.0)
[22:19] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: what questions do you have?
[22:38] <Unit193> brainwash: Marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1237059 public now, retracer took too long and nobody else was sub'd.
[22:43] <brainwash> bookmarked it (just in case I'll need it tomorrow after grabbing the dbus update)
[22:48] <brainwash> ochosi: check the last comment https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70237
[22:50] <brainwash> ochosi: it's ok for the active user to reboot/shutdown and suspend while other sessions are running, but not to hibernate
[22:52] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, hf discussing with poettering ;)
[22:54] <brainwash> ochosi: he did change the policy for restarting almost instantly though
[22:55] <ochosi> yeah, not sure why
[22:55] <brainwash> and I still don't know why ubuntu reports that the user is not allowed to hibernate..
[22:55] <brainwash> what the heck did canonical implement?! :)
[22:56] <ochosi> i'd just ask them (=the desktop team)
[22:57] <brainwash> oh, by the way, did you find a minute or so to compile appfinder (git or with that one gdbus commit)?
[22:58] <ochosi> hm sorry not yet
[22:58] <ochosi> a mix between not having time and having forgotten about it, tbh
[22:59] <brainwash> just wait until you open the appfinder next time... the 5sec delay will remind you of this for sure :)
[23:00] <ochosi> hehe
[23:00] <ochosi> well i use the workaround currently ;)
[23:00] <ochosi> i thought it'd be more convenient to do that, and to ask nick to do a 4.11 release of appfinder asap the next time i see him online
[23:03] <brainwash> is he busy?
[23:03] <ochosi> (i thought that was what we silently agreed on)
[23:03] <ochosi> well, i guess for one he started focussing on other things in his life, which is fair enough
[23:03] <ochosi> and the other issue is he works a lot
[23:03] <ochosi> or has to
[23:04] <brainwash> hopefully he can find some time to fix this https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10395
[23:04] <brainwash> because I feel the urge to try again and debug this strange segfault
[23:08] <brainwash> it deserves to be fixed before the final release (or shortly after)
[23:09] <brainwash> desktop team -> #ubuntu-desktop ?
[23:13] <ochosi> yeah, i'd say so
[23:13] <ochosi> although not everyone in that channel might be in the team
[23:16] <knome> well most probably not.
[23:20] <ochosi> yeah, i was being sarcastic ;)
[23:41] <Unit193> ...There's a 'scroll window up' button now too? 0_o
[23:42] <ochosi> ?
[23:42] <ochosi> you mean in xfwm4?
[23:43] <Unit193> Yeah, so weird.
[23:43] <ochosi> it was always available, but it's not there by default
[23:44] <Unit193> https://www.dropbox.com/s/78vavqy4kbvdwyr/weird-buttons.png?m welp, didn't update the theme. :P
[23:47] <ochosi> every xfwm4 theme can decide/define in the theme file what buttons should be there
[23:47] <Unit193> brainwash: Dangit, looks like it's my kernel. >_<
[23:51] <brainwash> Unit193: o.o
[23:51] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1237134


[21:13] <jpds> Anyone know what I'm doing wrong here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/43157/ - it appears to be missing chunk.xml which is in docbook-xsl, which I have installed..
[21:14] <mdke> jpds: is that file present on your system?
[21:15] <jpds> It is not. But according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=chunk.xsl&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any - it should be..
[21:16] <jpds> Wait, my fault, was checking docbook-xml and not -xsk.
[21:16] <mdke> xsl
[21:16] <jpds> -xsl*
[21:16] <mdke> or just get the build-deps for ubuntu-docs
[21:17] <jpds> It's working now.
[21:17] <mdke> good
[21:18] <jpds> Loads of: "No localization exists for "c"". But it built fine.
[21:20] <mdke> that's fine


[09:22] <tribaal> hi all
[09:22]  * tribaal is going to start chit-chatting in there and see if it picks up
[09:22] <tribaal> I'm not sure who is who in here (and what nicks map to which faces IRL :) )


[06:53] <pochu> is Marc Deslauriers here?
[06:55] <persia> pochu: Goes by mdeslaur usually.
[07:03] <pochu> mdeslaur: hey
[07:04] <pochu> mdeslaur: I see you've uploaded a new revision of liferea
[07:04] <pochu> mdeslaur: I wonder if this change doesn't introduce regressions:
[07:04] <pochu>   * debian/patches/01_ubuntu_feedlists: updated some outdated feeds
[07:04] <pochu>     (LP: #341969)
[07:04] <pochu> mdeslaur: can you still reorder the feeds in the left pane by drag and dropping them?
[07:05] <ejat> can someone porting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/387442/
[07:05]  * persia notes that mdeslaur's reported timezone in LP is UTC -5, so there may be a delay for a response
[07:26] <lucent> I was advised to ask my question here. "Where do I learn modern methods for generating a debian package from source code?"
[07:27] <lucent> searching Google turned up some pretty dated methods for me
[07:35] <randomaction> modern, as in debhelper 7?
[07:36] <lucent> would the steps to create a package for Ubuntu be any different than the steps outlined in maint-guide ?
[07:36] <lucent> and really I am familiar with creating packages for a system, it is that I am new to how to make a proper package for apt/deb and Ubuntu
[07:37] <lucent> with Gentoo some years ago I learned about installing a package with a modified destination dir, and accounting for differences in the build system with the destination rootfs
[07:38] <lucent> apt/deb is still kind of foreign to me
[07:38] <randomaction> we have a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[07:38] <lucent> okay, I missed that one. I will look at it now.
[07:41] <randomaction> and there's a session log at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0909/PkgFromScratch
[07:41] <randomaction> which could also be helpful
[07:41] <lucent> noted. great!
[07:45] <randomaction> and manual page for debhelper is a valuable source of detailed technical information
[07:46] <randomaction> and Debian policy, of course
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <abogani> dholbach: to you
[08:23] <dholbach> hi abogani
[10:00] <directhex> bugger. need to un-register for UDS sponsorship
[10:00] <rawang> hello, does anybody know if my package A depends on a just python module(a directory), but the module have to different implementation and they are not coexisted (have same directory but two different implementations.) how to write Depends field in debian/control file?
[10:02] <rawang> oh, my package A is a python package
[10:02] <lifeless> rawang: so, A uses B, where B is a python package
[10:02] <lifeless> but there are two different package names both of which contain B ?
[10:03] <rawang> yep, but B have 2 implementations.
[10:03] <rawang> yep
[10:03] <lifeless> what are the package names for them
[10:04] <rawang> lifeless, let me say more clearly, my python package strongwind needs pyatspi, at-spi and at-spi2 ship the same directory
[10:04] <rawang> strongwind could work on at-spi OR at-spi2
[10:04] <lifeless> at-spi doesn't look like it has python in it
[10:04] <rawang> ok, the python package is python-pyatspi
[10:04] <lifeless> what is the actual package name
[10:05] <lifeless> and the othe rpackage name
[10:05] <rawang> python-pyatspi2, which is built by myself
[10:05] <lifeless> depends: (python-pyatspi | python-pyatspi2)
[10:05] <rawang> ah, got it
[10:06] <lifeless> uhm, the syntax may be a little wrong - check policy if needed
[10:06] <rawang> could a append version?  like depends (python-pyatspi >= 1.28 | python-pyatspi2 >= 0.1.7)  ?
[10:06] <lifeless> but seriously consider not using the same python module name for pyatspi2; its almost guaranteed to end badly
[10:06] <lifeless> yes, that can be done
[10:07] <lifeless> python-pyatspi (>= 1.28) | ..
[10:07] <rawang> lifeless, python-pyatspi and python-pyatspi2 could not be coexist
[10:08] <lifeless> right, which means you'll have to change 5 other packages to be able to have people install python-pyatspi2
[10:08] <lifeless> also
[10:08] <rawang> because some files are conflicts,  (has same 'pyatspi' dir )
[10:08] <lifeless> it means that python-pyatspi2 will *not follow* the python packaging policy
[10:09] <lifeless> the package name for a python package 'pyatspi' is 'python-pyatspi'
[10:09] <rawang> lifeless, yes, i did, my package name is python-pyatspi2, what's the problem with that? :)
[10:10] <lifeless> the python package you install is 'pyatspi', Debian python policy is that your dedbian package name must therefore be 'python-pyatspi'
[10:10] <lifeless> thats the problem.
[10:10] <lifeless> if you call the python package you install 'pyatspi2' its all ok.
[10:11] <lifeless> or if you call your debian package name 'python-pyatspi' its also ok (though you still need to replace the package in the distro, and thats non going to be simple as you have radically different version numbers)
[10:12] <rawang> lifeless, i'm sorry I don't understand. :(   python-pyatspi2 is follow the python- prefix policy
[10:12] <lifeless> the policy is not just a prefix
[10:12] <lifeless> its an exact match
[10:13] <rawang> lifeless, ok.....    so what's your suggestions? :)
[10:14] <lifeless> I gave them to you
[10:14] <rawang> named it as pyatspi2 ?
[10:14] <lifeless> either generate a python module 'pyatspi2'
[10:14] <lifeless> or patch pyatspi
[10:14] <rawang> oh
[10:14] <lifeless> actually, thats a new suggestion :)
[10:14] <lifeless> those are your best options.
[10:15] <rawang> could you please look at it to see if there is a problem, of course if you have time. :)   https://launchpad.net/~raywang/+archive/uia2atk/+sourcepub/982612/+listing-archive-extra
[10:15] <lifeless> I'm just entering a meeting sorry
[10:16] <rawang> lifeless, ok, sorry :)
[10:16] <rawang> and thanks a lot!
[10:17] <duanedesign> i made a fix on a typo bug. DL source made a patch and uploaded it to a bug upstream. Now the bug has been commented on. Not sure what that means. http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11330
[10:18] <Laney> it means it was fixed
[10:19] <duanedesign> Laney: ok i just wanted to make sure that i did the right thing and that wasnt someone 'fixing' what i did :)
[10:19] <duanedesign> thank you
[12:44] <mdeslaur> pochu: hmm...let me check that. It would be the _other_ changelog entry that would have introduced the regression.
[12:48] <mdeslaur> pochu: yes, it appears to have introduced a regression. I'll fix it or revert it today.
[13:19] <wrapster> how do i downgrade a pkg version?
[13:19] <wrapster> I mean lets say I have P-5 pkg installed.. How do i install P-4 if i want to?
[13:20] <Laney> find a deb and dpkg --install it
[13:20] <Laney> add a repo which contains it and apt-get install pkg=version
[13:20] <Laney> it might be in /var/cache/apt/archives if you had it installed before
[13:21] <wrapster> ok
[13:24] <nigelb> bdrung: the epiphany-extensions-more removal bug, you want me to change it to sync request?
[13:25] <bdrung> nigelb: yes
[13:25] <nigelb> just a doubt though
[13:25] <bdrung> nigelb: it will require a feature freeze exception
[13:25] <nigelb> I checked live.gnome.org and it said that the epiphany-extensions-more won't work with 2.28 and above
[13:26] <bdrung> nigelb: look at http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/e/epiphany-extensions-more/current/changelog
[13:27] <nigelb> the javascript based ones are a bit unstable
[13:27] <nigelb> (as per upstream)
[13:28] <bdrung> nigelb: then it's up to you - do we want to distribute possible unstable extensions or none instead?
[13:28] <nigelb> one side is - I'd rather have something than nothing.  second side - I'd like the LTS to be stable :)
[13:29] <nigelb> what would be the usual protocol? to sync it anyway and let the user decide?
[13:29]  * bdrung agrees.
[13:30] <Laney> you could disable the unstable ones
[13:30] <bdrung> nigelb: i doubt that we have a protocol for that
[13:30] <nigelb> Laney: you mean sync it and let the user decide since she/he can disable it anyway?
[13:31] <Laney> no, I mean *you* disable the extensions which aren't suitable for production use
[13:31] <Laney> you don't want to mislead users
[13:32] <nigelb> there is epiphany extensions an epiphany extensions more
[13:32] <Laney> that doesn't make it clear that they are experimental
[13:32] <nigelb> the more package is the one with trouble.  its not just an extention.  the javascript based stuff is entire unstable is what upstream says
[13:33] <nigelb> s/entire/entirely
[13:33] <Laney> I dunno, I'd think hard about whether you want to put it in lucid at all
[13:33] <nigelb> me too
[13:34] <nigelb> here's the upstream page: http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ThirdPartyExtensions/Epiphany228AndLater
[13:40] <nigelb> I'm -1 because of this unstability, though upstream seems to say we'd have better luck with 2.29.5 and above (we're at 2.29.91)
[13:46] <nigelb> bdrung: so, we keep it or remove it?
[13:50] <nigelb> I'm trying to investigate why the 'imagemagick' dependency for 'shutter' package was dropped to recommends in debian.  Not having 'imagemagick' around is causing it to be not installed.  Where can I look to figure this out?
[13:55] <bdrung> nigelb: upstream says: "Unfortunately you are highly likely to have Epiphany crash on you if you use these extensions with Epiphany 2.28.0"
[13:56] <nigelb> ugh! my bad
[13:56] <nigelb> I'll change to sync request :)
[13:56] <bdrung> nigelb: if you want to gain extra points, test the extensions :)
[13:57] <nigelb> I will :)
[13:57] <nigelb> this is going to take the whole evening though ;)
[13:58] <nigelb> I'll test it first and then decide :)
[13:58] <bdrung> great, thanks
[13:58] <nigelb> any thoughts on the shutter thing?
[13:59] <nigelb> ah, I see debian bug 567612
[14:12] <umang> Hi, I want to know whether a package (pbuilder) is eligible for a backport request. Is the right place?
[14:17] <ScottK> umang: It could be.  Do you want to backport it to get a bug fix or because there's a new feature you'd like to use?
[14:20] <umang> ScottK, I guess that would be a bug fix (I've figured out a work around). I know backports aren't for bugfixes, but I've read that the latest pbuilder should be in backports. ATM, pbuilder cannot create a base tarball with the default settings, that means pbuilder doesn't work unless you find out what to change.
[14:20] <umang> s/figured/found out about/
[14:20] <ScottK> umang: What do you have to change?
[14:21] <umang> ScottK, pbuilder doesn't ask debootstrap to include apt, but it needs apt to function.
[14:21] <umang> (Fixed in the latest version, currently in sid and squeeze I believe)
[14:22] <ScottK> umang: Is it fixed in Lucid?
[14:22] <umang> ScottK, yes.
[14:23] <umang> Lucid has 0.196, which has the fix.
[14:23] <nigelb> umang: you mean to say pbuilder chroot does not have apt in below lucid?
[14:24] <umang> nigelb, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/pbuilder/current/changelog (last but one point).
[14:24] <nigelb> umang: ah :)
[14:24] <umang> :)
[14:25] <nigelb> okay, there is a dependency problem in shutter, the bug has been filed against debian and maintainer has marked as high.  Should I wait and reqeust sync or fix in ubuntu directly?
[14:25] <slytherin> umang: I believe this is a rare use case and not a general scenario. I have been using pbuilder since hardy and this suddenly not a bug in general usage.
[14:26] <Laney> no, there was a change (I believe apt stopped being Essential: yes) in Debian which broke it
[14:26] <umang> slytherin, but that means there is no way to get the latest pbuilder in karmic?
[14:26] <ScottK> slytherin: Laney's right.  It's a real (but new) problem.
[14:27] <slytherin> Oh. Then the issue does not affect karmic. Hence the backport will not serve any real purpose.
[14:27] <umang> Does that make it ineligible for backports?
[14:27] <ScottK> umang: File a bug against karmic-backports, indicate (assuming it does) that the new pbuilder builds, installs, and runs on Karmic and I'll approve it.
[14:27] <ScottK> slytherin: It does if you want to make a Lucid chroot.
[14:27] <Laney> it affects building sid chroots on karic
[14:28] <ScottK> (or Sid, I don't recall if Lucid is affected too)
[14:28] <Laney> I just hacked my debootstrap scripts to make it work
[14:28] <umang> Laney, Can't expect everyone to do that, no?
[14:28] <Laney> no, I didn't say that I do
[14:29] <umang> ScottK, so I build it from source on Karmic, (take the source package from Lucid) and see if it builds and works. If it does then I file a bug?
[14:29] <slytherin> ScottK: I have crated lucid chroot long time back. Was this broken recently?
[14:29] <ScottK> umang: Yes.
[14:29] <ScottK> slytherin: I don't recall for sure if Lucid is affect. Sid/Squeeze definitely are.
[14:29] <umang> ScottK, OK. I'll do that tomorrow morning (free internet usage :P )
[14:29] <ScottK> OK.
[14:30] <umang> Thanks all! :)
[15:07] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, do you nthink this two bugs should be SRUs instead of backports? bug 530945 and bug 530972
[15:07] <ScottK> Looking
[15:11] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Commented both.
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, thank you :)
[16:12] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, in the case for the SRUs, should I attach a diff showing the changes between the version in karmic with the one in lucid, or should I just specify to push the lucid package into karmic?
[16:12] <ScottK> You should have a minimal diff for just the SRU worthy change
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, so only show the part of the changed to fix the bug?
[16:15] <ScottK> Yes.  For the SRU we just want the patch that fixes the bug, not the entire new version.
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, what if the entire new version is a bugfix release?
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> we still place the patch fixing it i guess
[16:16] <ScottK> For SRU we only fix important bugs.  We want the minimal fix to deal with the SRU worth problem.
[16:16] <ScottK> There are a few packages that have exceptions to this, but that has to be tech board approved.
[16:17] <RoAkSoAx> i see
[17:17] <slytherin> RoAkSoAx: backport the patch form new release to release in repositories.
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> slytherin, i cannot do that with usbmount exactly because upstream did various changes adding new features, so I;m just using the original patch in debian BTS
[17:20] <slytherin> RoAkSoAx: You don't want those features right? Only the fix for a bug.
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> slytherin, well I requested a backport mainly because of that fix, but new upstream also contains new features like support for UUIDs, but that's not essential I guess
[17:22] <slytherin> RoAkSoAx: Ok. I thought you were discussing SRU.
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> slytherin, i first requested a backport, now I'm chagning it to SRU just to fix the bug
[17:44] <pochu> mdeslaur: if you get to fix it, let me know, since we reverted it upstream :)
[17:44] <mdeslaur> pochu: I reverted it for now
[17:45] <mdeslaur> pochu: thanks for the head's up!
[18:02] <pochu> mdeslaur: no problem
[18:39] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, done with SRUs, could you please take a look at them? bug #530945 and bug #530972
[18:41] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: I'm not on the SRU team.
[18:42] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, oh thought u were lol :) sorry about that then
[18:59] <jdong> RoAkSoAx: both are now ACKed, thanks for taking care of the SRU :)
[19:00] <RoAkSoAx> jdong, glad to help :)
[19:36] <\sh> micahg: thx for the backports :)
[19:45] <RoAkSoAx> \sh, did a small test with pacemaker/ldirectord/ipvsadm works nice :)
[19:45] <\sh> RoAkSoAx: ah well...we are setting it up now :)
[19:46] <RoAkSoAx> awesome
[19:46] <RoAkSoAx> anways I have the setup here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClusterStack/LucidTesting#Load%20Balancing%20with%20Pacemaker/ldirectord
[19:46] <\sh> so heading now for home...;)
[19:47] <RoAkSoAx> ok have a good one
[19:47] <RoAkSoAx> im off tyo lunch
[19:48] <micahg> \sh: thanks for the blog post :)
[19:53] <DreamDemon> There is a problem with the way a pacgage works with the current server ( karmic 9.10) kernel works
[19:53] <DreamDemon> package*
[19:54] <DreamDemon> ipset will NOT work with a default install even though the package is avail thru universe via apt-get
[19:55] <DreamDemon> This causes problems with mass white/black listing block CIDR addresses for multiple countries as iptables takes entirely too long to process large requests as such
[19:56] <DreamDemon> eg: blacklist of all countries except US, HU, DK, DE, GB = approx 100k lines of CIDR adresses
[19:56] <DreamDemon> eg2: whitelist countries US, HU, DK, DE, GB = approx 30k lines of CIDR adresses
[20:17] <vincs> Hi everyone.
[20:19] <vincs> I am an beginer at packing and I have some questions on uploading to revu. Is it the rigth channel to ask them ?
[20:20] <highvoltage> it's the perfect channel to ask in
[20:27] <vincs> I have upload a package. (debuild -S  -sa --lintian-opts -i; cd ..; dput revu mypackage.changes)
[20:28] <vincs> I have some changes to do.
[20:28] <vincs> Let's say only on the rule file.
[20:29] <vincs> Should I basicaly edit rules file and upload changes?
[20:30] <vincs> (I forgot the get-orig-source rule)
[20:30] <vincs> Or should I also change the changelog file ?
[21:26] <RainCT> So Canonical is going purple?
[21:26] <lucas> purple?
[21:26] <RainCT> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[21:27]  * sebner facepalms
[21:34] <oojah> I've got a program I'm converting to use upstart instead of sysvinit. In the packaging, what's the recommended way of creating the symlink that is /etc/init.d/<name> -> /lib/init/upstart-job ?
[21:36] <ScottK> cody-somerville: Is blue a traditional xfce color?
[21:36] <Laney> oojah: You should use dh_link
[21:37] <cody-somerville> ScottK, Yes.
[21:37] <ScottK> cody-somerville: Thanks.
[21:37] <ScottK> jono: Was someone from Kubuntu involved in this rebranding effort (if so, who)?
[21:37] <jono> ScottK, Riddell
[21:37] <ScottK> jono: Thanks.
[21:39] <oojah> Laney: Great, thanks.
[21:45] <strycore> Hi
[21:45] <strycore> I'd like to learn how to fix bug 531629
[21:46] <strycore> the virtual package is outdated
[21:46] <sebner> ScottK: do you look for a person to complain to ?^^
[21:47] <ScottK> sebner: No.  I'm looking to find out the plan for Kubuntu since jono's announcement didn't have Kubuntu material in it.
[21:47] <jono> ScottK, just no completed Kubuntu logo tet
[21:47] <jono> yet
[21:47] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[21:47] <jono> the logo font is still in the works, so not all the letters are complete yet
[21:48] <sebner> tell me mighty jono, why purple xD
[21:48] <jono> when the font is done, a logo will be shortly arriving :)
[21:48] <ajmitch> zul: another php extension rebuild for you ^
[21:48] <jono> sebner, I think it looks cool :)
[21:48] <jono> thats the not the reason though
[21:48] <jono> :)
[21:48] <sebner> jono: is that our feminine side :P
[21:51] <vorian> I think the purple is hot
[21:51] <vorian> & very close to blue :)
[21:52] <sebner> better than brown but still ..
[21:52] <DktrKranz> sebner: turn off monitor, and you'll see the real dark theme ;)
[21:53]  * sebner likes dark themes *muaahaahahaha*
[21:54]  * ajmitch has the sparkly coloured lines theme on the laptop, it's so vibrant & jumpy...
[22:13] <milli> ScottK: I'm hoping and praying that Rails 3.0 releases before lucid is done, since it would be a real shame to not have Rails 3 for the next 6 years...
[22:19] <micahg> is anything in universe extended to the 5 yr support window?
[22:23] <ScottK> micahg: It's all community supported and so to the extent the community supports it, the window is the same as Main.
[22:23] <micahg> ScottK: k, so in theory anything that's server only could br patched for 5 yrs?
[22:24] <ScottK> micahg: Yes.
[22:25] <ScottK> Personally, I'm still supporting clamav on Dapper.
[22:25] <micahg> ScottK: cool, thanks
[22:25] <micahg> ScottK: can we backport universe packages as well in -backports?
[22:28] <ScottK> micahg: Yes.
[22:29] <micahg> very cool :)
[22:29]  * micahg thinks he'll be testing backports for Lucid for a while :)
[23:12] <crimsun> perhaps we need a "sponsor day" or something suitably silly
[23:13] <jdong> if bug days are called hug days, I *cringe* at the non-PG name for sponsor bribing days
[23:13] <jdong> (kidding!)
[23:30] <ScottK> No you aren't.
[23:44] <persia> crimsun: Why a "sponsor day"?  Lately the universe queue rarely grows beyond 10 bugs.
[23:44] <crimsun> persia: it's half tongue-in-cheek
[23:45] <persia> Oh, heh.
[23:45] <crimsun> I'll gladly switch places with someone to work on it, though :-)
[23:46] <persia> Given how you used to be too busy with stuff to help with the old-style bug days (when we actually got stuff fixed), I don't imagine many could take your place, even for a day.
[23:46] <crimsun> nah, just need a lot of incentive^Wcoffee^Wtea
[23:46]  * persia remembers "I already have a bug, thanks" being the response to bug day findings back then
[23:48] <crimsun> hmm, armel buildds now fail after encountering implicit declaration warnings, correct?
[23:49] <persia> I didn't think they had any special logic that differed from other buildds.
[23:49] <crimsun> yeah, they do (and ia64 as well)
[23:50] <crimsun> otherwise I wouldn't have located those bugs in pulse.  D'oh, bad memory.
[23:50] <crimsun> arb is such a crufty source package
[23:51] <persia> heh


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[00:22] <Sven_vB> which shell is used in initramfs?
[00:23] <Sven_vB> actual question: can I use "local" in its functions?
[00:29] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: I'm guessing the best answer will be found here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Initramfs
[00:30] <rfm> Sven_vB, almost certainly /bin/sh which is a link to dash, the dash manpage says it has local (it follows the POSIX shell spec)
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: also "man initramfs-tools" will help you with working in initramfs
[00:40] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[01:10] <OerHeks> hmm apt update
[01:12] <pragmaticenigma> Command 'hmm' not found, did you mean: command 'mm' from deb multimail, command 'vmm' from deb vmm, command 'rmm' from deb mailutils-mh
[01:14] <OerHeks> no, as in: hmm wait, what?
[01:15] <OerHeks> but i see the strange sentence i created :-D
[01:15] <OerHeks> alias hmm="sudo"
[01:34] <phillipsjk> Does Canonical know that systemd is very slow on optical media?
[01:35] <leftyfb> who still runs anything from optical media?
[01:36]  * pragmaticenigma raises hand
[01:37] <OerHeks> i can play dvds just fine
[01:40] <phillipsjk> Essentially the "parallel loading" thing is very bad with a 300ms seek penalty.
[01:53] <phillipsjk> My optical drive my be slow, but th elive DVD failed to boot: sevices time-out after 90 seconds.
[01:54] <phillipsjk> (I checked the integrity of the disk yeasterday)
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> phillipsjk: is the drive running on a SATA connection or older IDE PATA connection?
[01:58] <phillipsjk> IDE UDMA4 (66MB/s, does not support UDMA5)
[01:58] <phillipsjk> It works sometimes, not every time
[01:59]  * phillipsjk is mostly venting
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> Ah, that might be why then. Anything that I've booted the Live DVD from is on newer SATA controlled optical drives. My older tech I use the mini.iso release for installs, don't attempt to boot live there. If you like phillipsjk, the #ubuntu-discuss channel is a better place to continue this discussion :-)
[02:01]  * phillipsjk got green on the next attempt
[02:06] <texla> Using the command..sudo gedit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf..why is the paige blank
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> texla: blank typically means no file currently exists. check the file path, also use tab completion to make sure you don't have a typo
[02:13] <JonelethIrenicus> thunderbird with yahoo opens Yahoo UK login window but I am from the USA
[02:13] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i fix this
[02:14] <pragmaticenigma> texla: Also, if you are running newer versions of ubuntu, gedit may not run with sudo
[02:14] <texla> pragmaticenigma, I am running 18.04.3
[02:17] <Bashing-om> texla: Try as 'gedit admin:///etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ' .
[02:21] <texla> Bashing-om, says unable to handle the admin..
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> JonelethIrenicus: You won't be able to. Though I don't believe there should be any issue with using the UK site instead of the USA version of the site to obtain the needed oauth token it is attempting to request.
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> texla: Load gedit first, then with the open file dialog use the admin:// method
[03:35] <qwertuttyty> VMware Player default have in guest u-mate mouse ps/2 three buttons, my mouse have 5 + scroll buttons, but works only three buttons. There is an option to add other buttons?
[03:36] <qwertuttyty> There is an option to add other buttons in guest?
[03:39] <qwertuttyty> add mouse in guest as real usb mouse bad idea.
[03:43] <qwertuttyty> Add a mouse in the guest as the real USB of a mouse through the vmplayer settings the bad idea
[04:18] <Doc-Saintly> Can anyone recommend a simple remote management tool for Ubuntu? I have 3-4 computers and many of them sit behind a firewall. I usually just do port forwarding + dynamic IP + SSH + TeamViewer / AnyDesk to get my access, but this is pretty cumbersome.
[04:19] <Doc-Saintly> Is there a free (or cheap) and easy thing I can use that will get my servers to connect to a proxy somewhere (I can host it myself) so I can easily access them behind the firewalls? It would be even better if it was something like Landscape where I could admin patches from a single place.
[04:20] <Doc-Saintly> I tried remote.io, it's nice, but I don't like the idea of my traffic being routed through a "free" service, so I'd rather host it myself.
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> Doc-Saintly: maybe you can try in #ubuntu-server ?
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> Doc-Saintly: or are they all desktops?
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> Doc-Saintly: there were recently serious security flaws on teamviewer aswell, so best to find other protocols
[04:42] <Doc-Saintly> lotuspsychje they're usually desktop installs with a few server things running.
[04:42] <Doc-Saintly> Yea :\  I moved away from TV for a number of reasons... Started using Anydesk now.
[04:43] <Doc-Saintly> But the security flaws help me understand why they pretty much blocked out access to older server versions.
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> Doc-Saintly: anything remote, that is connected to internet too, is potentially a security risk, as malicious users hunt for those
[04:43] <Doc-Saintly> Yep, understood :)
[04:44] <Doc-Saintly> I _can_ do stuff like autossh, but it turns into a big head ache, not as resilient as I want it to be.
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Doc-Saintly: i think doing your work with ssh and fail2ban protect will be your best bet
[04:44] <Doc-Saintly> my goal is that I just install something, set up a simple config and forget it.
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Doc-Saintly: id suggest idle in #ubuntu-server perhaps they know some desktop management software you can use easy from server
[04:44] <Doc-Saintly> Thanks, will ask them :)
[09:04] <mfoolb> Hi, bought Canon Lide 220 scanner (listed on SANE compat.) and it works fine if resolution is down to 600dpi. If I select 1200,2400 or 4800 (using a tiny area of 1cmx1cm) all freezes.. any suggestions? (Ubuntu 19.04 Gimp 2.10.8)
[09:45] <rhoks> hi there, so I wanted to install this https://support.toggl.com/en/articles/2410832-toggl-desktop-for-linux
[09:46] <rhoks> but the software center can't install it, so is it okay to install toggl using snap as I found here https://snapcraft.io/install/toggldesktop/ubuntu
[09:47] <rhoks> Please help. :)
[09:52] <rhoks> is it secure to install via snap?
[10:08] <MJCDawy> rhoks, as "secure" as from any repository that is not first party (ubuntu or debian)
[10:19] <rhoks> cool
[10:19] <rhoks> thats fine I got using snap
[10:28] <MJCDawy> good good
[10:39] <sweb> i try use ubuntu 19.04 as development of new server for ready for next 20.04 version.
[10:40] <sweb> i use ansible for automation
[10:40] <sweb> problem is ssh service is not start after reboot
[10:40] <sweb> no error, after login normally to my vm using GUI and restart ssh everything work well
[10:40] <TabMasher> Ububtu supports software Snaps, right?
[10:42] <ducasse> TabMasher: yes, but the snaps themselves are not supported here
[10:47] <TabMasher> I can visit the snap store, but what is needed to allow (chrome/firefox) to install snaps from the browser.  I was hoping there was a way to click and have it install a snap package.  I know this might be a bit off topic, but any help would be appreciated.
[10:47] <TabMasher> Not sure where else to look for help.
[10:48] <ducasse> i'm guessing that would require a browser plugin
[10:52] <ducasse> (as you might have guessed, i don't know if one exists)
[10:52] <ducasse> you can try asking in #snapcraft
[10:54] <ducasse> TabMasher: ^^
[10:58] <MJCDawy> this channel and ##windows are tied for worst channels on freenode
[10:58] <MJCDawy> wop wop
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:35] <lowin> Is there a kernel command line or something that I can use to drop to a shell in initramfs instead of booting the system?
[11:36] <ioria> break=mountroot     iirc
[11:37] <lowin> I'll try it. thanks
[11:37] <ioria> ok
[11:47] <TJ-> lowryder: break=init is the last, also break=mount, break=premount, or for a full list in order of when they trigger do "grep maybe_break /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init"
[11:47] <TJ-> oops, not lowryder lowin but tab-complete+quit don't mix
[12:47] <mheld> hey y'all
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> welcome mheld
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you today?
[12:49] <mheld> can anybody point me to resources regarding modifying click-and-drag behavior with a multi-touch trackpad? click and drag works but if I use a second finger to continue dragging, the only thing I'm able to do is make the window scroll with the second finger (and not move the cursor)
[12:50] <mheld> ha looks like this person has the same exact issue -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1112017/18-10-laptop-touchpad-two-finger-click-and-drag-stops-working-after-update
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> mheld: wich ubuntu version/kernel are you on?
[12:51] <mheld> 19.04
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> mheld: it also worked for you before, and stopped working after an update?
[12:52] <mheld> it never worked for me in the firstplace
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> ok
[12:52] <mheld> but it's the same issue, with the same machine
[12:52] <mheld> (I only installed ubuntu on this machine recently)
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> mheld: maybe you can try tweaking things out with gnome-tweak-tool or dconf-editor
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> tap-and-drag is the option you seek for correct?
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> mheld: /org/gnome/desktop/peripherals/touchpad there are tweaks to finetune
[12:55] <mheld> I don't partcularly want to use tap (prefer to click -- it's a clickable trackpad)
[12:55] <destinydriven> Hey guys
[12:55] <mheld> but I'll futz with that, thanks lotuspsychje
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> welcome destinydriven
[12:55] <destinydriven> Is it at possible to get the latest passenger working with nginx  1.17+ on ubuntu 18.04 bionic?  It's currently stuck at nginx. 1.14.0 which is pretty old.
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> !latest | destinydriven
[12:56] <destinydriven> Hi lotuspsychje
[12:56] <destinydriven> here is the relevant output from sudo apt list --installed:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SxwYQVwhMc/
[12:57] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, yes I'm aware but 1.17+ is available for bionic. I think the limitation is passenger or something
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: backports or a higher ubuntu version could help you with higher versions
[12:58] <destinydriven> I'm just wondering why nginx won't update from 1.14.0 to 1.17
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: another approach would be filing a !bug to nginx and describe whats not working
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> !info nginx bionic
[12:59] <destinydriven> hmm
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: thats how ubuntu works, ubuntu versions stick to the specific package versions
[12:59] <destinydriven> I see
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> !info nginx disco
[13:00] <mheld> lotuspsychje: no dice but thanks
[13:00] <destinydriven> I do have a bionic vm without passenger and it's currently at 1.17.3 though.
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: 19.04 if you want that version
[13:00] <destinydriven> I only stick to LTS
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> mheld: can you pastebin your dmesg please?
[13:01] <destinydriven> And getting help from #passenger has proven to be very difficult
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: can you explain why passenger doesnt work on 1.14?
[13:04] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, it works. I'm just concerned as to why nginx won't upgrade past 1.14.0
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: why concerned?
[13:05] <destinydriven> Aren't the later versions patched with security updates and perf. Improvements?
[13:05] <mheld> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/KH76K2tq
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: when security flaws are found, bionic version will also get patched
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: higher versions have indeed newer features
[13:06] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, thanks
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> mheld: 0.000000] Kernel is locked down from EFI secure boot; see man kernel_lockdown.7 uefi settings could possibly influence your hardware, did you try legacy boot ubuntu?
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> mheld: you could also check if your bios is up to date
[13:23] <mircx1> hello how i can back from 18.04 to 16?
[13:23] <mircx1> someone can help to me?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: downgrading isnt supported on ubuntu, clean install instead
[13:24] <BluesKaj> mircx1, why don't you tell us what your real issue is?
[13:25] <mircx1> ubuntu 18.04
[13:25] <mircx1> i want back to 16
[13:27] <mircx1> this a possible please?
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: did you read what i just said?
[13:27] <elias_a> mircx1: As said, no it is not possible without a clean, full installation.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> mircx1, so what's your issue with 18.04?
[13:30] <mircx1> yes this my version ubuntu this
[13:31] <BluesKaj> no kidding
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:32] <mircx1> ohh come one
[13:32] <mircx1> please i want to know how i back to 16
[13:32] <mircx1> i not like the 18
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> !download | mircx1
[13:32] <BluesKaj> reinsatll it
[13:33] <mircx1> i want back not download this all
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: ok, you can stop trolling now
[13:34] <mircx1> why you cant help to me? if you dont know then not give to me link for download it
[13:34] <elias_a> mircx1: You were just given the link.
[13:35] <mircx1> but i dont need to link only i need to understand how i back to 16 this all
[13:35] <BluesKaj> mircx1, google is your friend if you don't look at the above post
[13:36] <ubuD104> I'm looking for info on how to get rid of systemd, if it's possible.
[13:40] <ducasse> mircx1: you can't downgrade, your only option is to reinstall
[13:41] <ducasse> ubuD104: it isn't, so start looking for a systemd-free distro
[13:42] <ubuD104> really?  looks like I have something to do now.  Give me a week I'll figure it out.
[13:42] <ubuD104> been using linux for a month now
[13:42] <ducasse> have fun
[13:43] <ubuD104> even pinning maybe?
[13:43] <ubuD104> not to familiar with that
[13:43] <TJ-> ubuD104: makes no sense at all, the system supervisor is by its nature tightly embedded into all service packages
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> ubuD104: pinning is not for replacing systemd..
[13:44] <TJ-> ubuD104:  if you've only been using Linux for a month why would you want to replace the standard system supervisor which is integral ?
[13:44] <ubuD104> i'm hearing you can erase it but it keeps coming back is that correct?
[13:44] <ducasse> anyway, this is quickly veering offtopic (wwhich i suspect was intended all along)
[13:45] <ubuD104> you are talking about ubuntu correct?
[13:45] <TJ-> ubuD104: yeah, it's easy to erase it; turn the PC off
[13:46] <ubuD104> ya linux just comes natural to me and i've been looking at logs and systemd reminds me of you know that other program
[13:47] <ubuD104> if I purge a program and turn off the pc and turn it back on it's still purged
[13:47] <ubuD104> so the power button doesn't erase it
[13:47] <PsynoKhi0> ubuD104: it's probably a dependecy for a metapackage of the base system, I think it would be simpler to try another distro with a different init system
[13:48] <ubuD104> your probably right, I was just wondering if there was a "majic pill" out now
[13:49] <PsynoKhi0> I think it'll be more trouble for you than it's worth
[13:49] <ducasse> anyway, if you replace the system supervisor it is no longer ubuntu, so not supported here
[13:49] <TJ-> ubuD104:  you can of course just not use systemd, all you need do for that is add to the kernel command-line in /etc/default/grub "init=/bin/bash"
[13:49] <ubuD104> ya i see myself reinstalling ubuntu 100 times in the next few days haha
[13:50] <ubuD104> ok thanx though guys
[13:50] <PsynoKhi0> ubuD104: check out Devuan, it's basivally Debian stable with old init
[13:50] <ubuD104> never heard of it ok cool because ubuntu is my favorite so far
[13:51] <ubuD104> PS  I absolutely love linux I try to get everyone I know to try it
[13:53] <ubuD104> thanx for the suggestion i'm going to get it right now I find Debian a little  difficult, still new at this
[13:54] <ducasse> then switching the init system is probably not a good place to start :)
[13:54] <ubuD104> does it completely change things?
[13:54] <ubuD104> it has a jessie release I see
[13:55] <ducasse> and don't buy into the "systemd is evil" talk without a good reason
[13:55] <ubuD104> ya those log files made the nightmares come back
[13:55] <ubuD104> its not good ill tell you that
[13:56] <ubuD104> no need to know my location and what camera i use in the consecutive scripts
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> ubuD104: its ok..you can stop trolling now
[13:57] <ubuD104> haha ok buddy have a good one guys
[13:57] <ubuD104> dolt
[14:00] <mheld> what's the command to tell gnome to show all open windows?
[14:00] <mheld> (the one that is mapped to the super key)
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> mheld: systemsettings/devices/keyboard all your hotkeys are there
[14:36] <MannyL> I currently have Ubuntu installed on /dev/sda1 it's a 120GB SSD which is almost out of room. I have a SATA drive with 500MB of space avail. How do I relocate my entire Ubuntu system to a 450GB partition /sdb3
[14:47] <nmzm> Hello everyone :) I have a strange question. I'm using an old lubuntu release(16.04) and it's not supported by lubuntu team since april 2019, but as I can see, there will be a "Ubuntu community support" until 2021, does that mean that it's still safe to use?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> nmzm, yes
[14:56] <nmzm> BluesKaj, thanks! Then I can still use it while waiting a 19.10 release. But what exactly mean "Community support"? Not official updates?
[14:59] <phillipsjk> Manny you can do something like "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1M", the run gpart to fix the messed up partition table (assumg GPT) and resise the partion. This also assumes you are not using btrfs.
[14:59] <ph88> hey guys, i tried to clone my disk. But i got an error about mixed MBT and GPT tables. So i deleted the GPT table and now i don't get grub anymore. How can i fix this ?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> nmzm, most users here would recommend upgrading to 18.04 LTS, however there is "unofficial" support by the ubuntu community
[15:05] <BluesKaj> for 16.04
[15:05] <nmzm> Oh. thanks for the info, BluesKaj
[15:21] <thyriaen> I just installed kubuntu and after the boot menu i select to boot it from grub and then my screen just goes black
[15:22] <ducasse> !nomodeset | thyriaen
[15:23] <thyriaen> ducasse, awesome - thanks
[15:24] <phillipsjk> Manny a more proper way may be to use a liveDVD to create the new partion table, unmount the old parttion, dump old | restore new. The run grub as needed. The filesystem needs to be unmounted because ext4 does not support snapshots.
[15:26]  * phillipsjk does not think dump/restore is install by default
[15:36] <MannyL> thank you
[15:39] <ph88> phillipsjk, i have super grub2 and rescatux .. how can i restore grub with them ?
[15:39] <phillipsjk> no idea, and I am off to work.
[15:54] <Coraxyn> Morning
[15:55] <Coraxyn> early 2008 imac, when trying to log into wifi it fails.  Sees router fine, just fails on password
[15:56] <Coraxyn> Any hints?
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: ubuntu version/kernel please?
[16:00] <Coraxyn> 18.something
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: details matter please
[16:00] <Coraxyn> Got it yesterday from Ubuntu.com
[16:01] <thyriaen> 18.04. LTS ?
[16:01] <Coraxyn> So it runs fine, sound, everything
[16:01] <Coraxyn> Think so thyriaen
[16:01] <OerHeks>  what encryption did you choose during setup connection?
[16:01] <Coraxyn> Can select correct router (one am using now)
[16:02] <Coraxyn> When clicked it spins for long time them errors out
[16:02] <Coraxyn> Connection Failed
[16:02] <Coraxyn> lshw sees hardware fine
[16:02] <Coraxyn> Even driver version looks good
[16:02] <Coraxyn> Broadcom
[16:02] <OerHeks> wpa-psk / tkip?
[16:02] <Coraxyn> Mm, 6.30.something
[16:03] <Coraxyn> wpa2 personal
[16:03] <Coraxyn> So all asks for is password
[16:04] <Coraxyn> (wifi password)
[16:04] <Coraxyn> Have to say this is first attempt at Linux :)
[16:05] <thyriaen> Coraxyn, welcome :=)
[16:05] <Coraxyn> <-nervous
[16:05] <Coraxyn> ;)
[16:05] <thyriaen> what about ?
[16:05] <Coraxyn> Linux
[16:05] <Coraxyn> Toasting this machine
[16:05] <thyriaen> how would that happen ? :P
[16:05] <Coraxyn> On OS X atm
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: please focus on actual ubuntu issues
[16:06] <Coraxyn> <- idiot :)
[16:06] <Coraxyn> K
[16:06] <Coraxyn> So fails when trying to connect to specific router
[16:06] <thyriaen> wrong password maybe ?
[16:06] <Coraxyn> No
[16:07] <thyriaen> keyboard location stuff ?
[16:07] <OerHeks> maybe it is a router thingy, locked lease on the mac adress, router reset would help
[16:07] <Coraxyn> Oh
[16:07] <Coraxyn> Will try this
[16:07] <Coraxyn> Will take some time
[16:07] <Coraxyn> BRB
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: please pastebin: uname -a && lsb_release -a && sudo lshw -C network
[16:09] <Coraxyn> Lotus
[16:09] <Coraxyn> Oops
[16:09] <Coraxyn> lotuspsychje: will have to reboot this machine and come in on pad
[16:26] <Coraxyn> Back
[16:28] <Coraxyn> Lotuspsychje command again please
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: pastebin: uname -a && lsb_release -a && sudo lshw -C network
[16:30] <Coraxyn> No net from ubunto
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: connect with a cable?
[16:31] <Coraxyn> Wifi
[16:31] <Coraxyn> Am on ipad atm
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: without details, volunteers cant help you..
[16:32] <Coraxyn> Product: bcm4321 802.11/abgn
[16:32] <Coraxyn> Logical name: wls4
[16:33] <Coraxyn> Driver version=<IP_ADDRESS>1
[16:33] <Coraxyn> Anything else needed?
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: kernel version?
[16:35] <Coraxyn> Linux coraxyn-imac<IP_ADDRESS>-generic #24~18.04.1-ubuntu smp
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: update your system please
[16:36] <Coraxyn> How, no network
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | Coraxyn
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: connect with an ethernet cable
[16:36] <Coraxyn> Router is on another floor
[16:37] <Coraxyn> Installed via thumb drive
[16:37] <Coraxyn> Sorry
[16:38] <Coraxyn> Can reinstall with latest non stable?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: you can try, but its more usefull to understand why your wifi doesnt connect first
[16:40] <Coraxyn> Catch 22
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: try a terminal= journalctl -f and disconnect wifi and enable again
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> Coraxyn: then please tell the volunteers here in the channel wich errors you see
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> im bbl
[16:41] <Coraxyn> Thanks
[16:42] <Coraxyn> Whoa
[16:43] <Coraxyn> Connection failrequest timeout
[16:44] <Coraxyn> Dhcpdiscover on wls4 to <IP_ADDRESS> ???
[16:44] <Coraxyn> Hmm
[16:46] <Coraxyn> Put in manual ip stuff
[16:46] <Coraxyn> Worked
[17:40] <ph88> when my computer boots i just get a blinking underscore. I'm able to boot into windows using usb super grub and i'm also able to mount hdd linux from a live CD. How can i fix this ??
[17:43] <ph88> maybe to say it simpler. When using super grub 2 live usb i can boot into any OS i want of my HDD. But when i normally start my PC i just get a blinking underscore.
[17:43] <ph88> Before in clonezilla live cd shell i had a MBR + GPT and i deleted the GPT and these problems started to appear
[17:45] <tatertots> ph88: simply restore from the backup that you took just before you made destructive changes to disk geometry or partitions
[17:45] <ph88> don't have backup
[17:45] <tatertots> oh
[17:45] <tatertots> figured you might since you mentioned clonezilla
[17:45] <ph88> well i have one now from the files i care about ..  because like i said i can just boot into my HDD without problem using USB super grub 2
[17:46] <ph88> but i don't have an entire disk backup
[17:46] <ph88> actually i was trying to clone my entire disk ... then it said it couldn't because mixed MBR + GPT and it advised to deleted the GPT .. after which problems started
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: did you remove the GPT?
[18:02] <OerHeks> " i had a MBR + GPT " .. unlikely, you can only have one
[18:08] <ph88> pragmaticenigma, yes i did
[18:09] <ph88> OerHeks, clonezilla reported:  This disk contains mismatched GPT and MBR partition
[18:16] <OerHeks> so what is the situation; you transferred back a MBR backup onto a gpt disk, or gpt backup on mbr disk? is this an UEFI machine?
[18:18] <ph88> i used gdisk, it reported mbr on patition 1 and GPT on partition 4  and i wiped the GPT ... that's it
[18:18] <ph88> uefi yes
[19:24]  * independent !chk in #Canada
[19:24] <independent> !chk in #Canada
[20:20] <allure> I bought a Logitech C922 Pro Stream, but it won't work on my fully updated ubuntu 19.04. Any idea why? I changed a few usb ports until it was detected (I can see it on lsusb) but I get this error from journalctl: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fDpCgGgxF3/
[20:20] <allure> Any pointers are apreciated... :)
[20:35] <biberao> hi
[20:36] <biberao> Is 16.04 affected by this CVE-2019-1563?
[20:36] <tomreyn> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/CVE-2019-1563
[20:37] <tomreyn> "needed" -> yes
[20:37] <tomreyn> biberao: ^
[20:37] <biberao> oh ok
[20:37] <biberao> what does it mean DNE?
[20:37] <biberao> please
[20:38] <tomreyn> "does not exist"
[20:38] <biberao> ah
[20:39] <biberao> so i upgraded because of a newer version of openssh
[20:39] <tomreyn> i.e. the given package does not exist in this ubuntu release
[20:39] <biberao> and now openssl is vulnerable:\
[20:39] <tomreyn> i don't think openssh is affected by this, not directly anyways.
[20:40] <tomreyn> why did you need a newer openssh version?
[20:40] <tomreyn> and what did you upgrade from?
[20:40] <tomreyn> ...and to
[20:41] <biberao> 6.5 to 7.2
[20:41] <biberao> i was having a problem with adding certain kex and ciphers
[20:41] <tomreyn> within the same ubuntu release?
[20:42] <biberao> no
[20:42] <biberao> 14.04 to 16.04
[20:42] <tomreyn> i see so 14.04 is end of life anyways, unless you have ESM
[20:42] <biberao> ya
[20:42] <tomreyn> !ESM
[20:42] <biberao> nope
[20:42] <biberao> i upgraded
[20:42] <tomreyn> so it was high time to upgrade it.
[20:43] <tomreyn> now you are running an ubuntu release which is currently affected by a (medium priority) security issue. this will likely be fixed soon.
[20:45] <tomreyn> https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20190910.txt consider it to be of 'low severity'
[20:45] <biberao> hehe
[20:47] <tomreyn> so the difference between before your upgrade and now is that before your upgrade to 16.04 your system was most likely affected by this (and many other) security issue, and would not have received a security fix. now your system is affected by this issue (but not too many others) and will likely get a security fix.
[20:48] <biberao> true
[20:48] <tomreyn> so be happy and consider upgrading to 18.04.
[20:48] <biberao> should I?
[20:48] <biberao> :D
[20:49] <biberao> why?
[20:49] <tomreyn> i cannot answer this, don't know which older software versions you may depend on.
[20:49] <biberao> the system is 2days old
[20:49] <biberao> lol
[20:49] <biberao> its a  lxc container
[20:53] <tomreyn> newer ubuntu releases come with newer software versions, which often provide more or improved functionality. this can be a good enough reason to upgrade. but ubuntu 16.04 LTS (with the default unity desktop or as a server) is supported until april 2021 so you can keep using it until (close to) then.
[20:54] <biberao> its server
[21:08] <biberao> tomreyn: going to try this https://demo.bigbluebutton.org/gl
[22:26] <giaco> hello! is it possible to block internet connection (not loopback interface) to a single process?
[22:29] <TJ-> giaco:  yes if the PID doesn't change
[22:34] <giaco> TJ-: Ok. How?
[22:35] <giaco> I was on the AppArmor path, but it smeels like too big tool for the job
[22:35] <giaco> I would accept also the quick dirty way
[22:36] <TJ-> giaco:  oh, I'm thinking of user not process! the 'owner' module ("-m owner --userid XXX")
[22:37] <TJ-> giaco: owner can be used if the process has its own user account, which is how I handle such isolations
[22:37] <giaco> TJ-: I can create an ad-hoc user
[22:37] <TJ-> giaco:  indeed, that's how I do it
[22:38] <TJ-> giaco:  you can also create a net namespace and out the process in it, so it has no internet routing
[22:38] <TJ-> s/out/put/
[22:39] <raidghost> Is there a way to tell ubuntu to jump ip depending on what user been signed in ?
[22:39] <giaco> TJ-: this is also a good idea, but it will connect to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[22:39] <raidghost> lets say the guest user is sign in. It would grab <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:40] <raidghost> And if my user is sign in it would grab <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:40] <TJ-> giaco: only inside the namespace... there is no connection to the host unless you create it
[22:41] <TJ-> raidghost: you could do that with per-user Network Manager connections, with some unique DHCP tag being sent by the DHCP client so the DHCP server issues a different IP address based on it
[22:42] <Sven_vB> hi :) are there situations (maybe Live CD casper CoW overlay?) where there could be a delay in file detection even locally (no network involved), i.e. program A lists a directory, B creates a file in it, A reads the dir again but could miss the new file?
[22:43] <raidghost> TJ-: Diff to setup?
[22:47] <giaco> TJ-: oh dear, the namespace solution is complicated
[22:48] <giaco> actually it makes sense. Isolating the loopback interface is actually one of the main reason to use a network namespace
[22:50] <TJ-> giaco: "ip netns add my-ns; ip netns exec my-ns mycommand"
[22:51] <TJ-> raidghost: you'd have to ensure the DHCP server can be configured to do it; gateway/routers with web-interfaces might not be so easy to do that with
[22:52] <raidghost> Thanks for the advice! i will check it out ;)
[22:53] <giaco> TJ-: mycommand would not reach a service running in root namespace
[22:55] <giaco> TJ-: would not even reach <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:55] <TJ-> giaco: indeed, unless you enable it to
[22:55] <giaco> TJ-: is is possible by wiring up veth and stuff, but is quite long to do
[22:56] <giaco> TJ-: testing firejail
[22:57] <TJ-> giaco: that's how you'd do it, add a veth pair, move one into your namespace, add IP addresses at each end
[23:02] <giaco> TJ-: same problem with firejail. Easy to isolate the process from network, difficult to just block access to Internet
[23:02] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi guys
[23:03] <aleksandrdvorkin> i have a USB flash driver that has Ubuntu Live Iso on it but since i installed VirtualBox i dont need the USB flash to boot ubuntu and i want to format it HOWEVER THE COMMAND df -h doesnt show the disk present what can i do to find that disk location
[23:09] <TJ-> giaco: seems easy to me, assuming your netns and a veth0 in the host side "iptables -I FORWARD -i veth0 -d <IP_ADDRESS>/0 -j REJECT"
[23:10] <akemlenovo> aleksandrdvorkin, Maybe you have to mount the drive manually.
[23:10] <tds> giaco: systemd's IPAddressDeny/IPAddressAllow stuff comes to mind, and might be useful?
[23:10] <TJ-> giaco: that prevents the host routing the netns veth pair off the PC, but doesn't prevent connections to the host itself
[23:10] <akemlenovo> Try to insert it and type "dmesg" to see the device name and info.
[23:11] <giaco> TJ-: <IP_ADDRESS>/0 doesn't block connection to loopback on host namespace?
[23:11] <TJ-> slashd:  "df -h" will only report mounted file-systems, use "lsblk" to see devices
[23:11] <akemlenovo> Then if it's correctly detected you can mount it with the mount command, something like: sudo mount /dev/whatever /mnt
[23:13] <tds> giaco: those connections would hit the INPUT chain rather than FORWARD
[23:14] <TJ-> giaco: by definition it is not possible to route to the lo interface, its a loopback. if you want the netns isolated process to be able to talk to a port on the host itself then the host process would need to bind to the host's veth0  (as in bind to <IP_ADDRESS>)
[23:14] <tds> https://paste.debian.net/plainh/f152215e - that's an example of the systemd stuff if you wanted to restrict to just lo
[23:15] <tds> (well, just ::1, rather than lo, but you get the idea)
[23:15] <akemlenovo> TJ-, lsblk list only mounted devices right?
[23:16] <TJ-> akemlenovo:  no
[23:16] <akemlenovo> Ha no, looks like it's all block devices.
[23:16] <akemlenovo> TJ-, Ok thanks.
[23:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> dmesg returns a lot of devices
[23:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> 4.598241] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[23:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> is that the one
[23:19] <giaco> TJ-: thanks
[23:19] <giaco> tds: I'm going to try your solution
[23:22] <akemlenovo> aleksandrdvorkin, It should be the very last one reported from dmesg.
[23:22] <cluelessperson> Is there an application that can temporarily disable screen lock and screen blanking/off separately?
[23:22] <cluelessperson> I have an AMOLED screen and I'm concerned about burn in.
[23:23] <cluelessperson> Second question, is there a way to control thta sort of thing with python?
[23:23] <cluelessperson> Like, if I write my own python software, how do I interface with gnome?
[23:24] <aleksandrdvorkin> akemlenovo i pastebin my dmesg can u find the USB flashdrive i can not
[23:24] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i got to be fast going to have to go walk my dog
[23:25] <AnakhaNZ> 1
[23:25] <AnakhaNZ> quit
[23:26] <TJ-> aleksandrdvorkin: try " ls -l /sys/block/*/device | grep usb "
[23:27] <akemlenovo> cluelessperson, maybe "caffeine" but i'm not sure, it's to prevent idle when fullscreen...
[23:29] <giaco> tds: the solution is working but the commands executes as root, so I've tried "sudo -u myuser <command>" but it complains Unable to open X display.
[23:30] <akemlenovo> aleksandrdvorkin, You can try what TJ- said, otherwise paste it if you want(be sure to plug your device just before doing the dmesg).
[23:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> TJ the above command didnt return anything
[23:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> ls -l /sys/block/*/device | grep usb
[23:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> is that the right command
[23:33] <akemlenovo> He is gone, i think he'll back...not sure tho.
[23:34] <cluelessperson> akemlenovo  yeah, caffeine prevents lock and screen off
[23:34] <cluelessperson> no specific options.
[23:34] <cluelessperson> anyway, bbl
[23:34] <aleksandrdvorkin> the usb flashdrive appears ok in Mac but this flashriver is connected to USB-C hub and to my Mac
[23:35] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i know the hub is working becaue i also have a USB mouse attached to it
[23:35] <akemlenovo> aleksandrdvorkin, paste your dmesg, but it should be obvious when you connect it.
[23:35] <akemlenovo> aleksandrdvorkin, pastebin.
[23:37] <aleksandrdvorkin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k6zcsns6PC/
[23:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> akemlenovo when you find the usb flashdrive in dmesg PM to me what it is and how can i access it I REALLY NEED TO TAKE MY DOG OUT SHE IS ABOUTG TO GO
[23:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> thanks
[23:40] <akemlenovo> I think your flash drive is not detected correctly aleksandrdvorkin.
[23:41] <akemlenovo> You have a tablet connected in USB aleksandrdvorkin ?
[23:42] <akemlenovo> If you unplug/plugged it just before doing the dmesg then i'd say it's not detected at all.
[23:44] <akemlenovo> The tablet has to do with virtualbox, so nm. aleksandrdvorkin i think your device is not detected at all.
[23:48] <henninb> is there a shell command to identify if I am running xmonad, awesome, or i3?
[23:51] <alexandrdvorkin> akemlenovo walking my dog DID U FIND THAT USB FLASHDRIVE IN THE DMESG