[08:38] <wm_eddie> My unix teacher was mentioning chmod, and I mentioned that I've always used it with numbers, then he told me it was binary/octal..
[08:38] <wm_eddie> hazmat: the compiler too?
[08:38] <hazmat> yup
[08:38] <wm_eddie> awesome.
[08:39] <wm_eddie> time for bed.
[08:40] <Randomize> Mmm, ok, my syntax is correct, but it's just not applying itself to subdirectories.  Is there a "force" option, or something?
[08:41] <wm_eddie> ok time for bed.
[08:43] <Randomize> NM, got it.
[08:48] <cK-mazE> i am eceiving this error when playing quake3
[08:48] <cK-mazE> when try to run it actually
[08:48] <cK-mazE> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display
[08:48] <cK-mazE> seems my opengl is not loading, anyone know whats going on?
[08:50] <Ruffian-ZzZzZz> vote bush!
[08:50] <Ruffian-ZzZzZz> NOT!
[08:50] <Randomize> Wrong channel, Ruffian. :)
[08:50] <Randomize> This would be the ... ummm ... vote mandela! ... channel.  Or something. :)
[08:51] <mrjive> hi *
[08:54] <Randomize> I hate to say it, but I can get AAC's working with Rhythmbox under FC2 and Gentoo without bleeding from the pores, but I can't make it happen on Ubuntu.  I'm not sure how to document it though.
[08:55] <Treenaks> Randomize: what did you try
[08:55] <Randomize> Rebuilding all of gstreamer + gst-plugins + rhythmbox from source was the furthest extreme that I reached.
[08:56] <Randomize> Which had zero impact on the original problem.
[08:56] <Randomize> (In other words, my problem with a compiled RB is the same as my problem with a clean install of warty.)
[09:04] <GOwin> can someone tell me what to do here? my gdm stops on the ubuntu splash screen after i login.
[09:06] <GOwin> i can't even login from gnome failsafe
[09:07] <GOwin> anyone?
[09:08] <Seveas> try logging in with a command prompt, without X
[09:09] <Seveas> you switch to command prompt by pressing <ctrl><alt><F1>
[09:12] <GOwin> ok. i'm in the terminal now
[09:12] <Seveas> amd logging in works?
[09:12] <GOwin> actually, that's my default
[09:12] <GOwin> yes
[09:13] <mindwarp> bleh
[09:13] <mindwarp> someone was on here with my nick
[09:13] <mindwarp> but nickserv had my back
[09:13] <GOwin> what should i look/edit so i can run gdm again
[09:13] <Seveas> type ls -al | grep authority
[09:13] <Seveas> and paste the result here or in a private window
[09:21] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there is a gnome-vwm applet that will respond to mousewheeling on the desktop?
[09:22] <maze> can anyone lend a hand with getting my nvidia to run opengl
[09:23] <maze> i have tried to change the driver from "nv" to "nvidia" per the documention, but x just fails
[09:23] <maze> and says it can not inialize the kernal
[09:24] <maze> X runs fine using driver "nv"
[09:25] <Pizbit^> Damn that sucked.
[09:25] <maze> what sucked
[09:25] <Randomize> What, specifically, sucked?
[09:25] <Pizbit^> Who do I chat/email about the hardware detection?
[09:26] <eldados> any ubuntu developers here?
[09:26] <jdub> always
[09:26] <maze> so anyone have some info about nvidia and glx
[09:26] <maze> under ubuntu
[09:26] <jdub> maze: sounds like you haven't loaded the nvidia kernel module
[09:27] <eldados> cool :) did you fix the nvidia6800 card detection and proper X configure?
[09:27] <jdub> maze: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules
[09:27] <eldados> so far i got 5 ubuntu costers... :(
[09:28] <maze> jd, there is no mention of nvidia in there
[09:29] <jdub> maze: that's right -> doing the above will add it
[09:29] <maze> ok let me reboot and give it a shot
[09:29] <maze> i shall return :)
[09:30] <Pizbit> Argh, adsl died, only got one message from here after joining.
[09:30] <Pizbit> Basically the hardware detection really doesn't like my computer:)
[09:30] <eldados> anyone here with nvidia 6800??
[09:31] <eldados> Pizbit, you are not alone...:)
[09:31] <Pizbit> eldados: I had expected it to all work.
[09:31] <Pizbit> Since mandrake picked it up fine back when I tried 9.0 :)
[09:32] <Pizbit> And the network card chip is common 'n' all that.
[09:32] <Pizbit> I have to say, the most annoying thing was the sound repeating the same 2 seconds over and over and over again >.<
[09:33] <eldados> Pizbit, I wasted 5 cd's trying to get my 6800 to work but nothing!
[09:33] <eldados> and no one to talk to to get some real answers...
[09:34] <Pizbit> Heh, isn't that one of the newer cards that isn't supported yet?
[09:34] <eldados> my yoper picked it right away with full gl support!
[09:34] <Pizbit> On the other hand my / is now 37GiB instead of 28GiB and 9GiB :)
[09:35] <Pizbit> Did a 'cp -a' to backup my debian install onto another disk and let ubuntu take over hda :) Then copied it back when ubuntu didn't work out.
[09:36] <eldados> I think I'll wait for ubuntu 5.1... maybe...
[09:37] <Treenaks> btw, I do get the same error
[09:37] <Treenaks> uh
[09:37] <Treenaks> not here
[09:38] <maze> thank you :)
[09:38] <maze> quake3 runs like a charm now
[09:39] <jdub> you'd think someone like eldados would wait around for answers...
[09:39] <Pizbit> Hrhr
[09:39] <maze> now all we need is value to get its act together and get cs source
[09:39] <maze> running in linux
[09:41] <maze> thanks for the help with nvidia and glx
[09:41] <maze> much appreciated
[09:41] <jdub> maze: always good to check the wiki, btw, most of this stuff is documented
[09:43] <punkass> just made a little app so i can shutoff one of my monitors so unreal doesnt sit in the center of both
[09:43] <punkass> jdub: is there anyway to restart x without having to log back in?
[09:43] <jdub> no
[09:44] <punkass> or better yet: is there a way to disable a second monitor without having to restart X
[09:44] <jdub> nup :)
[09:45] <punkass> right now my script just comments/uncomments out the Nvidia Twinveiw stuff
[09:45] <Pizbit> So, who's the lucky person who gets page of stuff that went wrong?:)
[09:45] <punkass> then i do a ctl-alt-del
[09:45] <jdub> Pizbit: ubuntu-users list, or bugzilla for specific issues
[09:45] <Pizbit> (Not really that bad, I include some info on my setup)
[09:45] <punkass> nup?
[09:45] <jdub> nup as in no
[09:45] <punkass> is that like no-yup
[09:45] <punkass> lol
[09:47] <bur[n] er> someone should hack gnome for wheel mouse vwm switching... like all other wm's... kde, xfce, fluxbox
[09:48] <tvon> some folks seem to like that
[09:49] <tvon> You could probably do it with libwnck or whatever its called
[09:49] <bur[n] er> that nautilus plugin stuff?
[09:49] <crimsun> bur[n] er: check metacity's bug reports
[09:49] <tvon> nah, metacity
[09:49] <crimsun> someone may have already have done that
[09:49] <punkass> jdub: is it up to a developer of an app to give it to you guys or do you just add them to universe when u see fit?
[09:49] <tvon> tis a metacity thing, not nautilus
[09:50] <bur[n] er> i thought it was a nautilus job to draw the desktop
[09:50] <tvon> you could use openbox for example (or some wm that supports it) instead of nautilus
[09:50] <tvon> er, metacity
[09:50] <stevedeo> Hey, tvon :)
[09:50] <bur[n] er> hrm
[09:50] <jdub> punkass: atm, universe is pretty much just debian main
[09:50] <bur[n] er> wonder if i could use fluxbox in gnome :)
[09:50] <tvon> nautilus does draw the desktop, but metacity handles the virtualdesktops
[09:50] <tvon> you can
[09:50] <tvon> stevedeo: howdy, hows it goin?
[09:50] <stevedeo> Good. Have you been converted? ;)
[09:50] <punkass> jdub: ah ok, http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ these guys just have a pretty nice bittorrent client
[09:50] <bur[n] er> would hte stuff i set in "keyboard shortcuts' still work?
[09:51] <punkass> would be cool to have a package for it
[09:51] <tvon> not sure actually, havent done it in a while
[09:51] <punkass> tho its a pretty easy install
[09:51] <punkass> and how'd that go?
[09:51] <bur[n] er> i don't get how to do it if it's not compileable
[09:51] <bur[n] er> it went horribly
[09:51] <punkass> ah..and its based on java
[09:51] <bur[n] er> i thought i was doing it right
[09:51] <punkass> lol
[09:51] <punkass> doh
[09:52] <bur[n] er> it is based on java
[09:52] <bur[n] er> just install java
[09:52] <tvon> stevedeo: converted? man, I was hear early :)
[09:52] <bur[n] er> extract azureus
[09:52] <bur[n] er> ln -s to make it in /usr/bin :) and bam
[09:52] <tvon> stevedeo: I still have interest in UserLinux of course, but there is more action going on with Ubuntu :)
[09:52] <punkass> yeah i know...its just nice to have everything via synaptic
[09:52] <bur[n] er> agreed
[09:53] <stevedeo> tvon: Yeah, same. I had to see ubuntu for about 3 seconds before I realized how much better a solution it was. Was just curious if you were still interested in UL.
[09:53] <bur[n] er> it would be nice to have it on the default install
[09:53] <punkass> yeah that'd be nice
[09:53] <tvon> stevedeo: yeah, still interested. Honeslty I'm not sure if much of the UL community knows wha the aim of the project is at the moment...
[09:53] <stevedeo> tvon: Ah, good to hear. It's a good project - hopefully it can work cooperatively with ubuntu. I like the idea, but Bruce was having a lot of difficulty motivating a community.
[09:54] <stevedeo> tvon: Yeah, the goal is pretty nebulous. And Bruce is more than content to move at his own pace, which is pretty slow.
[09:54] <tvon> stevedeo: yeah
[09:54] <stevedeo> I'm sure by the time UL is quite useful, it will be very closely related to ubuntu ;)
[09:54] <tvon> hah
[09:55] <tvon> The main problem I have iwth it is that the goal is not that clear.  At some point I was offering to make custom gnome packages for UL, but hte consensus was that UL was not going to repackage things that were available upstream...which immediately limits what UL can possibly do
[09:55] <stevedeo> Seriously. Canonical is just too much awesome to let go to waste - UL might as well just kind of create a new market for ubuntu (more or less)
[09:55] <stevedeo> tvon: Yeah, true.
[09:56] <stevedeo> Bruce is a pretty big Debian advocate, though. Perhaps a tad too pure.
[09:56] <jdub> tvon: bruce made the expectation that UL was somehow more than debian, which, as it turns out, it is not.
[09:56] <stevedeo> jdub: He never intended on creating that expectation, I don't think.
[09:56] <tvon> When I first got involved with UL I thought it was trying to be what it turns out Ubuntu is
[09:56] <stevedeo> The biggest step away from Debian he was willing to make was "possibly binary drivers.... maybe"
[09:56] <jdub> if he'd made that clear upfront, i think it would have made it easier for him
[09:56] <stevedeo> tvon: Same
[09:57] <stevedeo> jdub: For sure. His first press releases were too unfocused.
[09:57] <stevedeo> He made himself pretty clear on the mailing list, though.
[09:57] <tvon> I mean, if you polled the mailing list you'd get 10 different answers to "what is the goal of UserLinux"
[09:57] <jdub> (dissing useful free software companies is not a brilliant strategy either)
[09:57] <stevedeo> tvon: True
[09:57] <stevedeo> jdub: ?
[09:58] <stevedeo> jdub: The whole anti-RH anti-suse stuff?
[09:58] <jdub> yeah
[09:58] <tvon> ah
[09:58] <stevedeo> I suppose. He has a kind of Stallman-esque view of the industry, though.
[09:59] <stevedeo> He might be a little to "zen" to make a decent business case for UL ;)
[09:59] <tvon> hehe
[09:59] <tvon> Stallman is kinda nutty
[09:59] <jdub> my fiancee met rms this afternoon
[09:59] <stevedeo> Seriously - he makes $300/hr, so I'm sure UL seems like a great solution to some of his business problems. But most businesses don't run that way (one-man shows at $300/hr, I mean)
[10:00] <jdub> called to loudly grizzle about how rude and annoying he is
[10:00] <stevedeo> jdub: Seriously?
[10:00] <stevedeo> Ha ha ha ha!
[10:00] <stevedeo> Awesome.
[10:00] <jdub> she had prior warning, but first hand experience is... enlightening.
[10:00] <tvon> certainly
[10:00] <stevedeo> Hehe
[10:01] <tvon> My main client is pretty close with him...I've heard stories
[10:01] <stevedeo> jdub: You're in Aus, right?
[10:01] <homeas> oh yeah ? well my sister used to go out with his sister.  so there.
[10:02] <homeas> whoops, wrong channel
[10:02] <tvon> They share an office with the Womens Legal Defense Fund (I think they are called)...who had some complaints about RMS when he was visiting
[10:02] <tvon> walking around with no shoes/socks...stuff like that
[10:02] <stevedeo> tvon: Ha ha ha... that sounds likely :)
[10:02] <stevedeo> Not to mention funny as hell.
[10:02] <jdub> stevedeo: yes
[10:03] <tvon> hah
[10:03] <homeas> jdub, what did pia and him argue about ?
[10:03] <mjr> well that kinda enforces some female stereotypes ;)
[10:03] <stevedeo> jdub: Mind if I ask your opinion of a recent CS Honours grad from middle-of-fucking-nowhere Canada getting sponsored for an Aus work visa? :)
[10:03] <stevedeo> (In the job market, not at Canonical.)
[10:04] <defendguin> mdz, i deleted my kernel log rebooted my box ran memtest , no errors, when i booted back up it froze 3 times after i logged in to gnome after each freeze i had to reboot.
[10:06] <jdub> stevedeo: hrm, dunno
[10:06] <jdub> stevedeo: the work is picking up a bit here, depending on what you want to do
[10:06] <stevedeo> jdub: .NET/C# development, most likely.  But no one I work for atm runs an open source OS to begin with :P
[10:08] <defendguin> not sure why it is needed
[10:08] <stevedeo> jdub: Oh? What roads might those be?  Yeah, I can probably deal with that. :)
[10:13] <defendguin> mdz, i dont see anything obvious in the kernel log
[10:14] <digitalSurgeon> how is ubuntu compared to debian
[10:20] <defendguin> digitalSurgeon,    ubuntu > debian
[10:20] <neuro_> ( ubuntu ( debian) )
[10:21] <digitalSurgeon> ubuntu is a superset of debian ?
[10:21] <Keybuk> a subset
[10:21] <Seveas> good_linux = (ubuntu)debian;
[10:22] <digitalSurgeon> lol
[10:22] <digitalSurgeon> ok
[10:22] <neuro_> ( debian ( ubuntu ) ) then :)
[10:22] <digitalSurgeon> what about gentoo
[10:22] <thursday> haha
[10:22] <neuro_> gentoo != debian
[10:22] <phin> ew
[10:22] <Seveas> gentoo is nice too
[10:22] <phin> i dont like gentoo much
[10:22] <digitalSurgeon> i like the package thing of debian
[10:22] <phin> OMG COMPILE OPTIMIZE
[10:22] <digitalSurgeon> does gentoo have that too
[10:22] <phin> yes portage
[10:22] <neuro_> USE! USE!
[10:22] <Seveas> but yoy'll have to love the (./configure; make; debug;)* ./make install things
[10:22] <phin> but you gotta compile it all
[10:23] <digitalSurgeon> portage == apt-get ?
[10:23] <Randomize> OMG 12 hour install time for ubar 5% performance gains! :)  Oh, wait, the install was hosed by hour 10, nevermind. :)
[10:23] <Seveas> portage != apt0get
[10:23] <phin> portage != apt-get
[10:23] <phin> :P
[10:23] <neuro_> portage is more like bsd ports
[10:23] <phin> except not as good
[10:23] <neuro_> yah
[10:23] <phin> heh
[10:23] <digitalSurgeon> which package syst is better in ur opinion partage or apt get
[10:23] <phin> apt
[10:23] <phin> hands down
[10:24] <phin> i <3 apt
[10:24] <neuro_> why not try both and find out? :>
[10:24] <digitalSurgeon> and more importantly which one gives me more secure packages
[10:24] <phin> um
[10:24] <phin> heh
[10:24] <neuro_> package system != security system
[10:24] <digitalSurgeon> but any ways
[10:24] <neuro_> run, let's say for sake of argument debian hardended
[10:24] <neuro_> you could s/debian/gentoo/ if you like
[10:24] <thursday> the packages are as secure as the program is
[10:24] <neuro_> you'll get "more secure" packages in there than you would stock debian, ubuntu or gentoo
[10:24] <thursday> doubt the packazge system can do much to fix bug in code
[10:24] <neuro_> if that's what you want
[10:25] <neuro_> but the packaging method itself can't really give you "more secure" packages per se
[10:25] <digitalSurgeon> i think gentoo has a much more committed community as compared to debian
[10:25] <phin> huh?
[10:25] <neuro_> define committed?
[10:25] <phin> are you smoking crack??
[10:26] <digitalSurgeon> just asking guys
[10:26] <phin> hehe
[10:26] <phin> most debian guys i know would kill for there distro
[10:26] <phin> lol
[10:26] <neuro|laptop> moo
[10:26] <digitalSurgeon> hmm
[10:26] <digitalSurgeon> i have installed debian @ work
[10:26] <digitalSurgeon> 3 woddy
[10:26] <digitalSurgeon> and ubuntu at home
[10:26] <Pizbit> Heh, old woody:)
[10:26] <phin> i prefer sid
[10:26] <GOwin> how do to re-start all services without rebooting?
[10:26] <phin> but i prefer ubuntu now
[10:27] <phin> find the pid for inetd
[10:27] <neuro|laptop> kill -9 -1 && init 5 i suppose? :>
[10:27] <phin> then kill -HUP inetdpid
[10:27] <neuro|laptop> Pizbit: tis nice
[10:27] <phin> ya i like it
[10:28] <digitalSurgeon> they say woody is secure ?
[10:28] <neuro|laptop> i'd say the comparison table should really be setting ubuntu warty and fedora core 3 side by side as "more alike" than gentoo imo
[10:28] <digitalSurgeon> as compared to sid or testing
[10:28] <neuro|laptop> woody is *stable*
[10:28] <digitalSurgeon> stable != secure ??
[10:28] <neuro|laptop> i didn't say that
[10:28] <Pizbit> digitalSurgeon: The opposite in fact.
[10:29] <digitalSurgeon> pizbit: u mean woody is not secure
[10:29] <digitalSurgeon> ?
[10:29] <Pizbit> Well, there's a security team for woody (and now sarge because it's due to release) but none for sid.
[10:29] <digitalSurgeon> ok tell me one thing
[10:29] <Pizbit> digitalSurgeon: Why do you keep getting that stupid idea? Besides, a distro is always as secure as you make it.
[10:30] <digitalSurgeon> i have this woody installed in office: will it update then they release sarge ?
[10:30] <digitalSurgeon> via apt-ge
[10:30] <neuro|laptop> if you specified stable and not woody in your sources.list, then yes
[10:30] <digitalSurgeon> pizbit: i'm new dude, help me understand ;)
[10:30] <digitalSurgeon> dont bve rude
[10:30] <neuro|laptop> although why you're asking this is #ubuntu and not #debian i don't know :)
[10:30] <neuro|laptop> s/is/in/
[10:30] <phin> ya
[10:30] <phin> use debian
[10:30] <phin> hehe
[10:30] <phin> i mean ubuntu
[10:31] <phin> damn i needs leep
[10:31] <phin> sleep
[10:31] <neuro|laptop> hehe
[10:31] <digitalSurgeon> i think debian and ubunto go hand in hand :p
[10:31] <neuro|laptop> leep, nice word usage :)
[10:31] <digitalSurgeon> so should there channels
[10:31] <neuro|laptop> digitalSurgeon: knoppix is based on debian
[10:31] <digitalSurgeon> lol
[10:31] <neuro|laptop> go into #debian and talk about knoppix
[10:31] <Lathiat> no, they dont/shouldnt
[10:31] <punkass> so is mepis
[10:31] <neuro|laptop> and see how long you last
[10:31] <phin> digital: its a diffrent distro
[10:31] <digitalSurgeon> lol
[10:31] <digitalSurgeon> okies okies guys :p
[10:32] <digitalSurgeon> any ways i'm going to mess with ubuntu from now one
[10:32] <digitalSurgeon> on
[10:32] <neuro|laptop> a wise decision, young paduwan
[10:32] <punkass> tho it took all the fun out of installing distros every few days ;)
[10:33] <digitalSurgeon> my distro route: rhl > debian > ubuntu :p
[10:33] <digitalSurgeon> punkass i've been doing that
[10:33] <punkass> "what a linux disto that i like and that works well, how can that be!"
[10:33] <Randomize> punkass:  You can have the fun of installing the SAME distro every few hours.  That's what I've been doing for 4 days. :)
[10:33] <digitalSurgeon> installed slackware, ubuntu, rhk, debian, suse, mandrake, etc etc
[10:33] <punkass> Randomize: lol
[10:33] <punkass> i installed ubuntu once...and its been fine since
[10:33] <phin> redhat > stormix > slackware > debian > ubuntu
[10:33] <phin> thou
[10:34] <Seveas> suse -> SunOS -> Solaris -> RedHat -> Ubuntu
[10:34] <phin> i mostly run freebsd to be exact
[10:34] <punkass> Debian > Fedora > Arch > Debian > Ubuntu
[10:34] <phin> i love freebsd
[10:34] <digitalSurgeon> stormix ?
[10:34] <phin> but thats for another channel
[10:34] <phin> lol
[10:34] <Seveas> :)
[10:34] <digitalSurgeon> i need to try that
[10:34] <Pizbit> Debian -> RH -> MDK -> Debian, Sarge -> Debian Sid
[10:34] <phin> digital: old debian based distro
[10:34] <phin> its not around anymore
[10:34] <digitalSurgeon> hmm
[10:34] <neuro|laptop> slackware > debian potato > rhl > { debian woody | debian sarge | fedora | rhel }
[10:35] <digitalSurgeon> i found slackware to be the most fast distro
[10:35] <punkass> i had a mix of mandrake in there, but we wont talk about that
[10:35] <neuro|laptop> oh and stormix, progeny, lindows etc
[10:35] <Randomize> I love ... chicken from Popeye's.
[10:35] <neuro|laptop> "most fast"?
[10:35] <digitalSurgeon> i hated lindows
[10:35] <digitalSurgeon> it fked my windows drives
[10:35] <digitalSurgeon> lol
[10:36] <neuro|laptop> serves you right for running windows :>
[10:36] <phin> hehe
[10:36] <punkass> lol
[10:36] <Randomize> Backups mean never having to say you're sorry. :)
[10:36] <phin> amen to that!~
[10:36] <Randomize> Which is why I never back up. :)
[10:36] <nyuhuhuu> hi
[10:36] <digitalSurgeon> lol @ phin
[10:36] <Randomize> I like saying sorry.  It's a nice round word.
[10:36] <punkass> terabyte raid...DOH!
[10:36] <neuro|laptop> s/his/his employers/, but thinking you have ownership always rocks
[10:36] <digitalSurgeon> i should get me self a bigger hard drive too
[10:37] <punkass> its really more oblong
[10:37] <Randomize> Not hard to get to a TB these days, Punk. :)
[10:37] <Randomize> Depends on your accent. :)
[10:37] <digitalSurgeon> dude i am in pakistan stuff is expensive here ;)
[10:37] <punkass> true enough..but beats my 20GB server
[10:37] <nyuhuhuu> i'd like to help at translating setup interface and ubuntu specified menu items into hungarian
[10:37] <nyuhuhuu> what should i do?
[10:37] <Randomize> digitalSurgeon, That doesn't make it hard ... just pricey. :)
[10:37] <neuro|laptop> -bash-2.05b$ df -h .
[10:37] <neuro|laptop> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:38] <digitalSurgeon> so how can i get involved with ubuntu more
[10:38] <neuro|laptop> . /dev/powervault/lv1   942G   18G  877G   2% /export/01
[10:38] <digitalSurgeon> hmm
[10:38] <digitalSurgeon> lol @ neuro
[10:38] <neuro|laptop> stupid forward slashes mutter mutter
[10:38] <digitalSurgeon> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:38] <digitalSurgeon> /dev/hda1              39G  8.3G   28G  23% /
[10:38] <digitalSurgeon> office server lol
[10:38] <neuro|laptop> slight difference then :)
[10:38] <phin> neuro: exec -o
[10:39] <digitalSurgeon> all on one drive
[10:39] <digitalSurgeon> lol
[10:39] <neuro|laptop> phin: windows :P
[10:39] <phin> ah
[10:39] <phin> lol
[10:39] <punkass> nyuhuuu: talk to jdub, he can probably point u in the right direction
[10:39] <nyuhuhuu> thx punkass
[10:39] <digitalSurgeon> next time will need to make iot more organized
[10:39] <punkass> no
[10:39] <punkass> er no prob
[10:40] <neuro|laptop> digitalSurgeon: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community would probably be a good place to start tho
[10:42] <punkass> sleeptime, nite all
[10:47] <nyuhuhuu> re
[10:47] <Randomize> So, USB mouse, randomly doesn't work on even cold boots.  2.6.x?  Hotplug?  Using pci=noacpi, nolapic and noapic don't affect the issue.
[10:52] <Godmoney> hi, anyone here?
[10:54] <mrjive> ciao della
[10:54] <della> ciao
[10:55] <Godmoney> I got an email yesterday - "Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 (Release Candidate)" - but the version I already have is 4.10 - whats the deal with that?
[10:56] <fabbione> Godmoney: there are updates and there will be updates until 4.10 will be final next week
[10:56] <fabbione> you can fetch the updates from the network directly
[10:56] <fabbione> and it will be exactly the same as if you do a fresh install of Release Candidate
[10:57] <Godmoney> what do you mean? I'm new to the whole linux thing. can you explain to me how this works?
[10:57] <fabbione> Godmoney: well i can try in simple words
[10:57] <fabbione> if you don't understand stop me, ok?
[10:57] <Godmoney> please do
[10:57] <Godmoney> o.k.
[10:58] <fabbione> there several ways to update/upgrade linux
[10:58] <fabbione> the basic concept is that you never need to reinstall a linux machine once it is installed
[10:58] <fabbione> you can just upgrade it
[10:58] <fabbione> to do that you have several options
[10:59] <fabbione> the easiest way (for me at least)
[10:59] <fabbione> is to use the network updates
[10:59] <fabbione> now if you have like an adsl line or cable modem that will probably fits you too
[10:59] <Godmoney> fabbione: from where I get those updates?
[10:59] <della> do the "interesting results" mentioned in the ubuntu FAQ for upgrading from sarge to warty mean that my computer will stop working?
[11:00] <fabbione> Godmoney: from the internet
[11:00] <fabbione> Godmoney: open an xterm
[11:00] <fabbione> or a gnome-terminal
[11:00] <fabbione> and then write: sudo apt-get update
[11:00] <miguel> hi
[11:00] <Godmoney> o.k. I think I know what you mean. then what is that release they sent out yesterday
[11:00] <fabbione> it should tell you that is downloading some files
[11:01] <fabbione> Godmoney: it is just another snapshot. more bugfixes
[11:01] <miguel> please, anyone can help me? i need to make a boot 3 1/2 disk with ubuntu and i don't know how to make it
[11:01] <fabbione> Godmoney: it is like preview with all the updates you got from the network until 2 days ago
[11:01] <Godmoney> then shouldn't I install it anyway just to make sure I have all the important updates?
[11:01] <fabbione> Godmoney: there are people that can install only from CD
[11:02] <fabbione> Godmoney: no. linux is not like windows :)
[11:02] <Godmoney> o.k.
[11:02] <fabbione> Godmoney: if you update from the network you get all of them
[11:02] <Godmoney> thanks alot :)!
[11:02] <fabbione> Godmoney: there is NO need to reinstall :-))
[11:02] <Godmoney> sudo apt-get update - do it for me automatically?
[11:02] <fabbione> Godmoney: i installed my server approx 4 years ago...
[11:02] <fabbione> Godmoney: sudo apt-get update
[11:02] <fabbione> and then:
[11:02] <fabbione> Godmoney: sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:02] <fabbione> 2 steps
[11:03] <miguel> please, anyone can help me? i need to make a boot 3 1/2 disk with ubuntu and i don't know how to make it
[11:03] <Godmoney> is it the same like the gnome graphical apt update?
[11:03] <fabbione> Godmoney: and since then i only upgraded it
[11:03] <fabbione> Godmoney: yes. you can use synaptic
[11:03] <Godmoney> yes - thats what I was talknig about :)
[11:03] <Godmoney> what is better to use?
[11:03] <Godmoney> and do you have good sources to connect with synaptic?
[11:04] <fabbione> Godmoney: synaptic is sort of "only" a graphical frontend for apt-get
[11:04] <fabbione> Godmoney: you can check the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <fabbione> Godmoney: if you want you can paste them to me in prvate and i will check them for you
[11:05] <fabbione> miguel: we don't create/support boot floppies.. what about booting/installing from the network?
[11:05] <Godmoney> thanks
[11:05] <Godmoney> I have to go now
[11:05] <Godmoney> I'll contact you in about 2 hours
[11:05] <Godmoney> thanks again :)
[11:06] <fabbione> Godmoney: if i will be around :-)
[11:06] <Deft> what's this multiverse repository about?
[11:07] <miguel> aaps, so i have a problem then... i've installed ubuntu with the windows hd disconnected, so now i can't boot ubuntu anyway without redisconnecting windows hd...
[11:07] <Deft> miguel, do you mean that youinstalled grub on the second hard disk?
[11:07] <miguel> exactly...
[11:08] <Deft> then you need to either chain load grub from the windows boot loader, or install grub on the first
[11:08] <Deft> (note that I'm not sure how to do the first of those)
[11:08] <miguel> i've tried with bootmagic, but grub doesn't work... don't know why.. with knoppix i used to do this and everything went ok...
[11:09] <Deft> what stage does it get to? at a first guess I would think you hadn't updated your menu.lst to point to hd1
[11:10] <beezly> hehe
[11:10] <beezly> from another channel...
 WTF?
 My ubuntu system is full of some sort of porn.
[11:10] <miguel> eeehm, (i apologize for my English...) the problem is this: now i'm with ubuntu, so i have hd1 phisically disconected...
[11:11] <miguel> so hd1 does not exist. if i connect it i can't boot with ubuntu...
[11:11] <Deft> miguel, uh, ok, what connectors are your drives going to be attached to, and what where they attached to when you installed ubuntu?
[11:12] <Deft> can someone in front of an ubuntu box tell me what I packages I need to install to play frozen-bubble please
[11:12] <miguel> when i installed ubuntu the master hd was disconnected. i did it because i didn't want to loose my windows installation...
[11:13] <miguel> frozen bubble? i have it on mi laptop's knoppix, wait a minute, i will look for it
[11:13] <digitalSurgeon> ubuntu here i come ;)
[11:13] <Deft> miguel, did you change the other drive to master?
[11:14] <Deft> miguel, and also, thanks, but I need to know what in particular I need for ubuntu, I have the whole dependency list but I don't know what I have installed by efault on ubuntu
[11:14] <miguel> no, if i do it, i will not know how to boot with windows.... :S
[11:16] <miguel> my idea was this: install ubuntu in hdb, without hda, then run windows and install bootmagic... but with bootmagic ubuntu doesn't boot... so i wanted to make a boot 3 12 disk... but here i'm said it is not possible...
[11:17] <miguel> is there any way to make a boot floppy?
[11:19] <Deft> miguel, so you made your second drive the master when you installed it? in other words, did you install to hda or hdb?
[11:19] <miguel> to hdb
[11:21] <rocknuts> hiya
[11:24] <rocknuts> Can anyone direct me to resources where I can maybe get sound operating in Ubuntu?
[11:24] <jpvcx> what sound card do you use?
[11:26] <rocknuts> It's an onboard one on my Dell.  My system identifies it as an Intel 82801DB AC'97 device
[11:29] <deFrysk> via82xx
[11:29] <kent> rocknuts, Those soundcards are hard to get working sometime..  Its probably not Ubuntus fault.
[11:30] <rocknuts> Yep, I've had problems in the past.  Guess it's time to buy an Audigy!
[11:30] <rocknuts> Mind you, it worked fine under SuSE, Xandros, Fedora Core 2, Redhat 8/9 and Mandrake
[11:30] <deFrysk> rocknuts, did you try alsamixer ?
[11:31] <kent> rocknuts, I have one of those and it workes for me ;)
[11:32] <jpvcx> Rocknuts: could you post the output off lsmod
[11:32] <rocknuts> Yep.  2 secs
[11:32] <rocknuts> Want it in a PM jpvcx?
[11:34] <rocknuts> darn
[11:35] <ddaa> Heya.
[11:36] <phin> ~hi
[11:36] <digitalSurgeon> my windows machine is choking :(
[11:37] <phin> its windows
[11:37] <phin> its what it does
[11:37] <ddaa> I just burned the ppc rc1 iso. I am able to mount it on my desktop PC, however when I insert it in my iBook and reboot pressing Alt, it does not appear as a bootable device in the OpenFirmare graphical chooser.
[11:37] <joolz> i apt-get installed anacron earlier this week but it doesn't seem to do anything. Do i have to start the daemon manually from some rc script?
[11:38] <joolz> i thought the install would do this but i guess it didn't.
[11:38] <phin> what is anacron?
[11:38] <joolz> it will run cronjobs scheduled during downtime of the pc
[11:38] <joolz> ideal for workstations that are down during the night
[11:38] <phin> oh thats cool
[11:39] <joolz> yes it is, if it works :)
[11:39] <phin> lol
[11:39] <ddaa> Even more, it does not appear in MacOS X on my iBook
[11:43] <topyli> i haven't even thought about anacron. imo it should be installed by default on such a desktop-oriented distro
[11:43] <topyli> but seems like it's not :)
[11:43] <phin> does ubuntu come with hte 10mb wlan driver?
[11:43] <phin> or just the 2
[11:44] <phin> i cant figure out how to get mine into 10mb mode
[11:44] <pitti> topyli: even worse, it is not even in supported :-(
[11:44] <rocknuts> I got Mac OS X working under Ubuntu
[11:44] <rocknuts> :D
[11:44] <topyli> pitti: grr. i'd consider it a bug
[11:45] <pitti> topyli: me too, I just noticed it myself
[11:45] <frederik> hello everyone :)
[11:45] <pitti> topyli: mind to write a report in bugzilla?
[11:45] <pitti> Hello frederik
[11:45] <topyli> pitti: i'll do that. what do you think it should be filed against? :)
[11:45] <frederik> I thought this might be the right place to point out some problems I encountered after/while installing ubuntu
[11:46] <frederik> or is there a bug tracking system?
[11:46] <pitti> topyli: I'd take UNKNOWN
[11:46] <topyli> pitti: or perhaps ubuntu-desktop should depend on anacron?
[11:46] <pitti> frederik: there is : bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:46] <pitti> frederik: reports to bugzilla arep preferred, so reports do not get lost
[11:47] <frederik> pitti: ok, thanks. I'm going to first check if I find the problems I had
[11:47] <pitti> topyli: not for warty, in any case; but at least it should be supported
[11:47] <pitti> topyli: the package could be recommended
[11:48] <frederik> For which CPU are Warty's package's optimized?
[11:48] <jpvcx> i386
[11:48] <frederik> ah, ok
[11:49] <frederik> as it's a gnome based distribution it won't run on anything slower than a pentium anyway, so why not optimize it for eg 586 upwards
[11:49] <frederik> ?!
[11:49] <frederik> well, anyway, I'll have a look at bugzilla
[11:50] <joolz> frederik: good point, i'm for it :)
[11:50] <joolz> ubuntu already is very fast, but the faster the better
[11:50] <phin> so
[11:50] <phin> if i apt-get install wlan-ng
[11:50] <phin> i should have 10mb?
[11:50] <phin> anyone?
[11:51] <frederik> joolz: yes, I was supprised, too
[11:51] <ddaa> frederik: I'm not on top of it technically, but they have been discussing that, I remeber lamont talking about such issues in particular.
[11:51] <jimi> hi
[11:51] <frederik> joolz: Is it Gnome 2.8 that turned faster than the older versions?!?
[11:51] <hazmat> the optimizations used get the majority of the benefits while maintaining compatiblity
[11:51] <joolz> frederik: no idea, i come from fedora core 2, so that's my comparison
[11:51] <joolz> and fedora is *slow*
[11:52] <frederik> joolz, never used it
[11:52] <ddaa> frederik: there are optimizations which schedule the instructions to optimize for 686 while only using the 386 instruction set.
[11:52] <ddaa> frederik: empirical evidence tend to show that cpu-specific instructions sets optimizations by gcc tend to actually slow things down.
[11:53] <ddaa> At least for generic desktop software.
[11:53] <ddaa> They are probably useful for specialize multimedia code, but that's another story.
[11:53] <ddaa> frederik: but take that with a grain of salt, as I told you, I'm not on top of it.
[11:54] <frederik> ddaa, I compared Gentoo and Debian on an older PIII 500 and Gentoo, while using the same software, running the same daemons etc. was much faster
[11:54] <frederik> ddaa, but I used prelinking etc. on gentoo, so it's not quite fair
[11:54] <hazmat> same filesystem?
[11:54] <ddaa> frederik: that will probably raise interest among the ubuntu devel if you can actually provide measurements of comparable things. Which is easier said than done.
[11:54] <hazmat> same kernel?
[11:55] <Zomb> frederik: not fair at all. Use a self-compiled kernel with preempt and redundant features removed and compare then.
[11:55] <mrjive> what about apps that i install and are not in the menu? is there a way to have a complete menu?
[11:55] <phin> hmm
[11:55] <jpvcx> mrjive:you could add them yourself
[11:55] <frederik> hazmat, as far as I remember
[11:56] <Zomb> actually, that is something I will try to compare with a teammate here, soon. He is compiling gentoo right now and is very proud of it.
[11:56] <joolz> mrjive: i found on google that you should point nautilus to application://
[11:56] <joolz> and then create a link
[11:56] <joolz> but it didn't work for me
[11:56] <mrjive> jpvcx, yes, for me it is not a problem, but if i give ubuntu to newbies...
[11:57] <mrjive> joolz, ok, but as before.. people look at the menu..
[11:58] <mrjive> what is the policy? i mean, which apps go into the menu? those in main or restricted and not those in univers? ot it depends on the application?
[11:58] <frederik> Zomb, I'm not a gentoo-fanatic at all, I just found the machine quite unusable running debian. Firefox was much faster (and here I'm sure) on gentoo
[11:58] <ddaa> mrjive: many unsupported applications are not in the menu by default because they do not integrate well with the desktop, precisely to avoid confusing newbies. I do not know how you can register additional menu entries, but I'm pretty sure you can do it.
[11:58] <hazmat> mrjive, it goes by the freedesktop standard
[11:59] <hazmat> mrjive, so it depends on what the app or its packaging decides for itself
[11:59] <Zomb> frederik: as said, I will only believe in such claims when I first see it and can compare numbers (under the same conditions)
[11:59] <mrjive> ok
[11:59] <Zomb> frederik: and I will run usual tests: KDE start (with the same stuff installed), then Firefox start, OpenOffice start, etc.
[11:59] <ddaa> mrjive: the policy is something along the lines of "apps in desktop go to the menu", but that is modulated some to avoid excessive clutter.
[12:00] <Zomb> ooops, Ubuntu does not even have KDE
[12:00] <frederik> Zomb, hehe
[12:00] <ddaa> Zomb: check universe
[12:00] <frederik> Zomb, yeah, try it. I'm sceptical myself
[12:01] <frederik> Zomb, but I'm pretty sure I noticed a real difference with firefox. But as I said, I had prelinking. So at least the startup time had to be shorter
[12:01] <ddaa> I believe KDE is in universe.
[12:01] <mrjive> ddaa, ok :)
[12:01] <mrjive> is martin pitt here?
[12:02] <ddaa> mrjive: he's pitti
[12:02] <mrjive> maybe pitti ?
[12:02] <mrjive> tnx :)
[12:03] <pitti> mrjive: ? What's up?
[12:03] <mrjive> hi :)
[12:03] <topyli> pitti: ok, anachron bug filed against UNKNOWN
[12:03] <frederik> btw where should I suggest new features? In the wiki (or not at all ;) )? I think Packet Writing support would be wonderful and it should have improved a lot since 2.6.8
[12:03] <mrjive> pitti, nothing, i just set you an email about automount not working
[12:03] <pitti> topyli: thanks
[12:03] <digitalSurgeon> i dont want to check universe it's so scary and vast :')
[12:03] <digitalSurgeon> :'(
[12:04] <digitalSurgeon> lol
[12:04] <mrjive> with the output of dmesg, lshal etc..
[12:04] <ddaa> hi pitti, is there any record of boot problem with the ppc install cdrom?
[12:04] <pitti> ddaa: I heard reports about failed boots on G5 machines
[12:04] <mrjive> at a first look everything seems right, but devices are not mounted automatically..., but no hurry
[12:05] <pitti> ddaa: it works perfectly on the iBook
[12:05] <mrjive> i installed ubuntu on a powerbook with no troubles
[12:06] <mrjive> eccept the fact that i told him not to install yaboot on the hda mbr, but hi did this the same...
[12:06] <pitti> mrjive: oh, that one, sorry. I looked at it yesterday, but everything looks fine
[12:06] <ddaa> pitti: I cannot even seem to get the cdrom device on my ibook... I do not remember the name of the module. You know, my system is a bit crackful... testing updated to ubuntu back in the week before oxford...
[12:06] <mrjive> pitti, yes... wery strange...
[12:06] <mrjive> *very
[12:06] <pitti> mrjive: but you can mount all partitions manually?
[12:07] <mrjive> pitti, yes
[12:07] <pitti> ddaa: why not just install rc on the thing= ? Everything works out of the box now
[12:07] <ddaa> pitti: that's what I'm trying to do, but the cdrom does not boot...
[12:07] <pitti> mrjive: I isntalled 4 partitions on my USB stick to test sth similar, but even that works
[12:07] <pitti> ddaa: does yaboot get active at least?
[12:08] <ubuntu_noobi> hello. how do you start firestarter without having to sudo from a root terminal?
[12:08] <pitti> mrjive: can you additionally do the following, please:
[12:08] <pitti> mrjive: killall gnome-volume-manager; gnome-volume-manager
[12:08] <ddaa> pitti: nope, the cdrom does not show up in the openfirmware boot selector and does not mount in OS X...
[12:08] <mrjive> pitti: yes
[12:09] <mrjive> oh!
[12:09] <mrjive> it works now!
[12:09] <mrjive> ?
[12:09] <ddaa> Next thing i do once the upgrade is done is reboot in osx and try with some audio cd... if it breaks it's probably a hardware problem again...
[12:09] <muelling> Hello there!
[12:10] <mrjive> pitti: how come?
[12:10] <digitalSurgeon> i think ubuntu is more focused on gnome ?
[12:10] <digitalSurgeon> am i right ?
[12:10] <jdub> yrd
[12:10] <jdub> yes
[12:10] <digitalSurgeon> good
[12:11] <muelling> Can anyone please tell som noob like me, where i can find the ncurses devel library so that i can use the make menconfig for a new kernel? :-)
[12:11] <digitalSurgeon> i like gnome more
[12:11] <pitti_> mrjive: argh, communicatus interruptus
[12:12] <mrjive> pitti_: np :)
[12:12] <pitti_> mrjive: what was the last thing you heard from me?
[12:12] <jdub> muelling: apt-cache search ncurses dev :-)
[12:12] <mrjive> pitti_: kill gnomevm and restart gnomevm
[12:12] <hazmat> is there a gui editor for run levels in ubuntu?
[12:12] <pitti_> mrjive: please do killall gnome-volume-manager; gnome-volume-manager
[12:12] <mrjive> pitti_: and now it works!
[12:12] <pitti_> mrjive: and stick inthe stick
[12:12] <Treenaks> hazmat: no
[12:12] <pitti_> mrjive: this gives you some debugging messages
[12:12] <mrjive> pitti_: yes
[12:13] <pitti_> mrjive: ugh, it works automatically?
[12:13] <mrjive> pitti_: yes!
[12:13] <pitti_> mrjive: when did you start your session, i. e. how long does your gnome already runs?
[12:13] <pitti_> mrjive: can you please verify that it really works by logging out and back in?
[12:14] <mrjive> pitti_: my session has been up for 4 hours now
[12:14] <mrjive> ok let me log out/log in
[12:14] <pitti_> mrjive: hmm, okay
[12:16] <mrjive> great it is working now
[12:16] <mrjive> sounds magic...:P
[12:20] <samuelc> Could anybody explain why "apt-get install glib" isn't working?
[12:21] <pitti_> samuelc: what do you want to do?
[12:21] <pitti_> samuelc: there is no glib package
[12:21] <pitti_> mrjive: odd, I don't see why it should have failed before...
[12:21] <muelling> Thanks for the help. When i do apt-get update. Does it also update the list of the synaptic-packagemanager?
[12:22] <mrjive> pitti_: me neither... but if it work now... let thigs go ;)
[12:23] <pitti_> mrjive: that's the odd things about computers ...
[12:24] <mrjive> pitti_: yes :)
[12:25] <mrjive> i'm very happy to have discovered ubuntu. i alwasy felt the struggle of wanting to install debian as a desktop to friends but thinking that it is too complicated...
[12:25] <mrjive> (sorry for may english...)
[12:25] <Pizbit> muelling: It's the same list:)
[12:26] <pbaldanta> Hi
[12:28] <malte`> hi... where's 'esdplay' in ubuntu packages?
[12:29] <mrjive> ok thanx for now, see you later
[12:30] <rmt> It looks like Ubuntu is popular or something. ;)
[12:38] <Yngwie> k
[12:44] <l3eg0olas> ok.. so I install ubuntu.. now when I say apt-get install snort.. it asks me to insert the first CD-ROM.. why? it can download everything from the net..
[12:44] <malte`> l3eg0olas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:45] <l3eg0olas> and what do I add in sources.list?
[12:47] <malte`> you comment the first line
[12:47] <malte`> and uncomment the next two
[12:47] <malte`> and, if you want the universe thing, read the rest :)
[12:48] <l3eg0olas> yes,.. thanks..
[12:48] <Red|Girl> hi
[12:50] <jimi> wow, ubuntu is in top5 on distrowatch
[12:50] <jimi> =]
[12:50] <JanneM> anybody know which input method system that is slated for Haory?
[12:51] <Lathiat> heh
[12:51] <Treenaks> input method system?
[12:51] <JanneM> for Japanese, chinese and so on
[12:52] <JanneM> for the time being I have managed to install uim and it actually works really well
[12:52] <JanneM> it would be nice to know what is planned, though
[12:53] <jdub> JanneM: we want to do i* for hoary
[12:53] <jdub> integrate it really nicely by default, etc.
[12:53] <rmt> Is there a gnome recommended way to do specific kb hacks?
[12:54] <Treenaks> rmt: like?
[12:54] <Bung_> dont suppose anyones had problems with 'debootstrap' during install?
[12:54] <Bung_> base install i should say
[12:54] <jdub> rmt: see keyboard dialogue in desktop preference
[12:54] <jimi> bung : yes
[12:54] <jimi> you mean kernel not installing?
[12:54] <rmt> Treenaks: Like Right-Alt aoue would insert german umlaut chars & euro.
[12:55] <Bung_> if thats what that error means ...
[12:55] <Treenaks> rmt: what jdub said
[12:55] <Bung_> base install just errors and i cant skip or anything
[12:55] <Bung_> =/
[12:55] <jimi> if you switch to console 3 during install crash (ctrl+alt+F3)
[12:55] <Bung_> ok
[12:55] <jimi> you see what actually causes problem
[12:55] <Bung_> ah
[12:55] <rmt> jdub: Recommended way is to create one's own keyboard layout, I guess.. kbd, or other?
[12:56] <JanneM> jdub: thing is, I've used i* in the past, and I was surprised how much smoother uim seems to be
[12:56] <jimi> if it is about linux-386 package not installing, this bug is known and they are working on it
[12:56] <jdub> JanneM: mmm, seems it's the growing standard though - so best to support and improve it...
[12:56] <JanneM> perhaps
[12:56] <jdub> JanneM: perhaps we can provide both if it's easy to handle
[12:56] <JanneM> well uim went in with very little trouble
[12:56] <Bung_> jimi: so if its about linux-386 ... then no ubuntu for me?
[12:57] <JanneM> iiim doesn't really seem very actively developed, swhile uim, anthy and scim seems very active
[12:57] <Treenaks> rmt: You can select a keyboard layout in the keyboard settings panel
[12:57] <jimi> bung : you can install unplugging network
[12:57] <jimi> it works
[12:57] <rmt> Treenaks: Yah, but it's not a standard keyboard layout. It's my custom layout.
[12:57] <jimi> then replug cable before 1st boot
[12:58] <jimi> anyway, this should be fixed in 1 day or so
[12:58] <Bung_> good thing i used a cdrw then
[12:58] <Bung_> ;p
[12:58] <jdub> rmt: see layout options tab
[12:59] <malte`> a little bug: whenever i close synaptic i can't change desktop wallpaper anymore
[12:59] <jimi> heh
[12:59] <Bung_> anyways im on a laptop and cant exactly pull the network cable, there isnt one, centrino
[12:59] <jimi> oh
[12:59] <jimi> when the install process launch, is it asking (and succeeding) dhcp ?
[01:00] <Bung_> yea i presume so, no errors when it did the networking bit
[01:00] <Bung_> the install continued on its merry way
[01:00] <jimi> hum
[01:00] <Bung_> well let me go check that console 3 bit
[01:01] <jimi> you dont have a switch-off for wireless (like vaio's one)
[01:01] <Bung_> see what it says
[01:01] <Bung_> nope =/
[01:01] <jimi> :/
[01:01] <Bung_> but thnx for the help
[01:01] <jimi> np
[01:01] <Bung_> ill see what it says
[01:01] <JanneM> rmt: you know how to make a custom layout?
[01:01] <jimi> maybe its another problem hehe
[01:02] <rmt> Janne: xmodmap or other?
[01:02] <Bung_> well 5am, will do it tomoro, thnx again
[01:02] <jdub> rmt: xmodmap doesn't play well with xkb
[01:02] <jimi> 5am ?
[01:02] <rmt> Ok, so I must xkb. Ta. :)
[01:02] <JanneM> rmt: that is workable in buntu
[01:03] <jimi> where are you? :)
[01:03] <Bung_> alberta
[01:03] <jimi> ok... good night -_-
[01:04] <Bung_> :)
[01:04] <Bung_> cya
[01:09] <jimi> is mem and hdd suspend is working on laptops?
[01:11] <Bliksem> can I edit my sources.list to include all the packages in packages.debian.org?
[01:11] <jimi> it is not recommeded :)
[01:11] <Treenaks> Bliksem: you could, but you don't want to
[01:11] <Bliksem> whenever i try to instal something i end up downloading about 10 dependencies from this site
[01:11] <jimi> "universe sould be enough for everyone
[01:11] <jimi> lol
[01:11] <Treenaks> Bliksem: it probably breaks stuff horribly
[01:13] <ubuntu_noobi> can someone point me to a guide on how to setup a dialin server?
[01:13] <ubuntu_noobi> please?
[01:14] <Bliksem> ok, I'll not mess about with it,
[01:14] <Bliksem> now onto theming gnome, basic howto guide anywhere?
[01:15] <Bliksem> or good source for themes?
[01:15] <Treenaks> Bliksem: freshmeat?
[01:15] <deFrysk> apt-get install gnome-themes-extras
[01:15] <deFrysk> and art.gnome.org
[01:47] <Treskewl> Can someone help me setup an IT8212 ide raid card on ubuntu?
[01:53] <joebeastie> 2
[01:57] <flevour> hi all
[01:57] <flevour> can i ask here whether i should fill a bug report or not?
[01:57] <flevour> or is there a dev-specific channel?
[01:59] <Mithrandir> just ask here, first at least.
[01:59] <flevour> ok
[01:59] <flevour> i ran livecd rc3 and found a lot of missing translations
[01:59] <flevour> in my language
[01:59] <flevour> for example, programs were launched with english localization
[02:00] <Muttley> hi, just wondered if there was an mplayer package for ubuntu now?
[02:00] <Mithrandir> flevour: probably just missing translations, then
[02:00] <nreid> Hi guys,  any pointers on kernel recomps?  Especially ubuntine methods for patching the source etc.
[02:00] <Lathiat> Muttley: you can use the debian marillat ones fine
[02:01] <Muttley> Lathiat: ahh, no 64 bit though?
[02:01] <nreid> Really want to get acpi standby going for my nc6000.
[02:01] <Ng> not that marrilat provides, at least :(
[02:02] <Ng> I rebuilt his source package as 64bit and it just crashes a lot ;)
[02:02] <flevour> Mithrandir, missing translation for big programs such evolution, firefox ... ?
[02:02] <Mithrandir> flevour: into what language?
[02:02] <nreid> And the smc irda module... but I don't want to compromise any additional patches that are used in the default kernel.
[02:02] <Muttley> Ng: sucks :(
[02:02] <Lathiat> Muttley: i wouldnt know
[02:02] <Lathiat> Ng: maybe mplayer 64bit just sucks :)
[02:02] <Lathiat> which would nto surprise me in the slightest
[02:02] <Muttley> heh, runs fine here on debian :)
[02:03] <Ng> Lathiat: it is way more useful as a 32bit binary ;)
[02:03] <Lathiat> especially with all the random codecs
[02:03] <Ng> I was wondering about making a static 32bit version
[02:03] <Muttley> only the win32 stuff doesn't work, which means no wmv or qt
[02:03] <Ng> but I'm going to need a 32bit chroot at some point
[02:03] <Muttley> but a 32bit chroot solves that
[02:03] <Bliksem> WTF does this mean "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" ? Im trying to install librsvg
[02:03] <Bliksem> and then insall gnome-themes-extras
[02:04] <Lathiat> Bliksem: Why are you trying to compile them?
[02:04] <Mithrandir> Bliksem: you seem to be missing gcc -- install build-essential
[02:04] <Lathiat> Bliksem: Why not use the packaged versions, much cleaner and easier...
[02:05] <Treskewl> Can someone help me setup an IT8212 ide raid card on ubuntu?
[02:05] <nreid> Is there anything special I need to select during a kernel configuration to ensure that the hotplug stuff works?
[02:06] <Lathiat> nreid: youll want all the usb module support etc etc etc, whyd you break it?
[02:06] <flevour> Mithrandir, italian
[02:06] <Treenaks> nreid: kernel hotplugging support -- but why build your own?
[02:06] <Bliksem> Lathiat: what/where are packaged versions?
[02:06] <Ng> nreid: enable hotplug and lots of stuff as modules :)
[02:06] <Lathiat> Bliksem: apt tells me its in main
[02:06] <Mithrandir> flevour: I don't know, I don't know italian :)
[02:06] <Lathiat> Bliksem: ahh gnome-themes-extras is in universe
[02:07] <Lathiat> Bliksem: enable the universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <flevour> Mithrandir, eheh, btw i guess my bug its https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1760
[02:08] <nreid> I haven't broken it yet, but I feel I need to recomp to get 1) smc-irda (?) module required for HP nc6000 irda support
[02:09] <Mithrandir> flevour: ah, possibly, yes.
[02:09] <Treenaks> nreid: are you sure that module is not yet in ubuntu ?
[02:09] <nreid> And 2)
[02:09] <nreid> the standby support - forgotten the name of the project.
[02:10] <Treenaks> swsusp
[02:10] <Lathiat> nreid: software suspend 2?
[02:10] <Lathiat> ive been meanign to put up a buntu kernel with swsusp for abit
[02:10] <Treenaks> I'll wait for hoary for standby stuff
[02:10] <Lathiat> and mppe and the orinoco scannign drivers as well
[02:10] <Treenaks> as long as my harddrive spins down..
[02:11] <nreid> Yep, that's the one - Thanks - been trawling to find it.
[02:11] <nreid> Has anyone tried it?
[02:11] <nreid> (On a recent kernel rev in ubuntu)
[02:11] <Lathiat> it works fine on the dsame debian kernel
[02:12] <Lathiat> havnent built th eubuntu kernel yet but i doubt its much different
[02:13] <nreid> I've come from a slack/gentooy type background and it's strange - I never had any hesitation recomping in those systems.
[02:13] <nreid> In ubuntu, it's all so complete that I don't particularly feel like breaking it!
[02:14] <Lathiat> aheh
[02:14] <nreid> A testament to the Canonical guys, I'm sure.
[02:19] <Lathiat> nreid: You should just rcompile the stock kernel with the additions you need
[02:20] <Lathiat> check out the source, copy the config in, make oldconfig, menuconfig to ad your changes and use make-kpkg
[02:20] <Lathiat> im off
[02:24] <robertj> Compiling a custom system is just a bad idea usually
[02:24] <robertj> Like on OS X, sure you _could_ compile SSL into finder, but that's a bad idea.
[02:28] <nreid> Thanks Lathiat!
[02:30] <attitude> Is there a plan to offer a server version of ubuntu?
[02:30] <jordi> attitude: ubuntu can be used in servers
[02:30] <jdub> attitude: ubuntu is already a very capable server os :-)
[02:30] <NewUser> i havent get my ubuntu cd yet
[02:30] <jdub> attitude: if you want a basic install for a server, type 'custom' at the installer boot prompt
[02:31] <jdub> NewUser: they haven't shipped yet
[02:31] <jdub> NewUser: we haven't done the final release :)
[02:31] <attitude> jdub: yeah I am using it as one right now as a matter of fact
[02:31] <attitude> I was just talking about a version more geared for that area
[02:32] <jdub> attitude: it's geared up and ready to go ;)
[02:32] <NewUser> jdub now ubuntu still in beta?
[02:32] <jdub> NewUser: we've just done our release candidate. final will be released on the 20th.
[02:32] <Kamion> NewUser: release candidate went out on Wednesday, final release is this coming Wednesday
[02:33] <jordi> attitude: just use the custom boot option and you won't get X/GNOME installed
[02:33] <NewUser> jdub are u workin with ubuntu
[02:33] <NewUser> ?
[02:33] <attitude> got you thanks
[02:33] <jdub> NewUser: yes
[02:35] <attitude> btw I am not sure who the devs are but great job
[02:35] <attitude> I love this distro
[02:35] <attitude> first one to get me to move off of gentoo on my main pcs
[02:36] <rsilva> I am helping a friend to install ubuntu in a machine with an Asus motherborad (P4P800-E deluxe with a Intel 865PE chipset). We are trying to configure software raid for /home and /usr (but not /). Everything goes fine until the moment the installer tries to add grub to the HD. At this moment the system freezes. If I change to the console and try to acess the /target (the root directory of the new system) the console freezes too. Is this a known bug? Is
[02:36] <rsilva>  there a workaround?
[02:37] <DXT> anyone here upgraded his warty PR to RC? it works smoothly? just install over it? (is there another way?)
[02:38] <rsilva> DXT: I've been upgrading daily and everything went fine util now (I haven't upgraded directly though).
[02:39] <attitude> I have been upgradeing nightly as well and all is going good
[02:40] <flevour> hey SamBozo !
[02:41] <merriam> DXT: why would you install over it?  just apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:41] <attitude> merriam: forgot the apt-get update first ;)
[02:41] <merriam> i thought he could guess that
[02:42] <attitude> merriam: you are right I was just messing with you
[02:42] <merriam> rsilva: i don't know, but i have used software raid and i know it's complicated and fragile
[02:42] <SamBozo> hey flevour
[02:43] <attitude> well everyone it is time for me to sleep
[02:43] <attitude> later
[02:43] <rsilva> merriam: What does "fragile" mean? Isn't it reliable? Or is it hard to configure?
[02:43] <DXT> merriam - installing with the cd adds nothing then? only package upgrades?
[02:44] <merriam> rsilva: raid is for availability.  i wouldn't go to that much trouble and not mirror the root partition.
[02:44] <rsilva> merriam: The data is the most important. And if we understood well you should not raid the /boot, so we deciced not to raid the other volatile parts (like /tmp and /var).
[02:45] <SamBozo> how long you been running ubuntu flevour ?
[02:54] (DXT/#ubuntu) lol haha :P
[02:55] <Mithrandir> I think the archive scripts runs about three times per hour.
[02:55] <Kamion> once a half-hour.
[02:55] <rsilva> merriam: Price of the 1210sa here: US$ 100,00 (google is good, isn't it?)
[02:55] <DXT> Is there a service that I can active to do the dist-upgrade each x time?
[02:55] <DXT> w000 terminal output
[02:55] <flevour> DXT, man 5 crontab
[02:55] <DXT> oh cron im such a newbie :)
[02:55] <flevour> DXT, man 1 crontab
[02:56] <Kamion> DXT: I actively recommend against upgrading from cron
[02:56] <dkg> hi!
[02:56] <DXT> why is that?
[02:56] <dkg> there is no mplayer in ubuntu :(
[02:56] <Kamion> DXT: upgrades occasionally require user interaction
[02:56] <dkg> and the movie player is not able to play .bin files :(
[02:56] <Kamion> DXT: and dist-upgrade may decide to remove stuff, which could be bad if unattended
[02:56] <Riddell> DXT: install cron-apt
[02:56] <dkg> should I mix it with unstable?
[02:57] <Kamion> cron-apt is just an implementation of the bad idea, isn't it? :)
[02:57] <flevour> dkg, there is no mplayer in debian either. you can build your deb by yourself downloading the sources and running "fakeroot debian/rules" from inside the source
[02:57] <Mithrandir> Kamion: it is
[02:57] <DXT> ok i'll... think it through :)
[02:57] <Kamion> downloading updates but not installing them (i.e. apt-get -d) is more sensible
[02:57] <merriam> rsilva: i see.  :)  i have one working well as a non-raid controller.  one of these days i may be able to say how well it works as a raid controller
[02:57] <dkg> flevour: but in marillat.
[02:57] <rsilva> merriam: Does it has good linux drivers?
[02:58] <merriam> working well with ubuntu, i mean.  recognized, no problems
[02:58] <digitalSurgeon> ubuntu rocks
[02:59] <flevour> dkg, get the sources http://ftp3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre5.tar.bz2
[02:59] <rsilva> merriam: Great. I am about to buil a new "killer" box for my work. I may want one of these :-)
[02:59] <merriam> i can't give an expert opinion on it.  just no hitches
[03:00] <Ng> flevour: or use the debian packages. much easier :)
[03:00] <flevour> Ng, i usually prefer compiling my own deb, but yeah, deb are much easier :P
[03:00] <flevour> brb
[03:01] <rmt> Ein paar leute.
[03:01] <DXT> is there a gui services editor in ubuntu (dont remember where i saw one.. mebbe suse/mandrake)? im just looking how to check what services run on startup
[03:03] <tolle_> Are there any unofficial packages for dbus-cvs, beagle-cvs and dashboard-cvs ?
[03:03] <DXT> and another thing, can i configure gnome to react to search-by-typing? (for example in an icon list, when i press k it goes to the first icon beginning with k..)
[03:03] <flevour> DXT, i dont know about gui, but i know about the good update-rc.d script which i advice you to read the man page of
[03:04] <Ng> DXT: I'm not 100% sure about this, but it's possible the ximian setup tools include service runlevel configuration. I think I saw them in one of the ubuntu repositories
[03:04] <DXT> thanks both
[03:04] <flevour> np
[03:04] <tolle_> DXT, it does automaticly jump to the first one with k, atleast in icons mode.
[03:04] <mg> DXT, there is also rcconf
[03:05] <DXT> tolle_, it does not react to any keys at least on my gnome..
[03:06] <tolle_> DXT, strange..
[03:06] <DXT> it was always like that in gnome i think.. i just wondered if i can configure it otherwise..
[03:06] <DXT> it only works in nautilus
[03:06] <DXT> at least for me
[03:06] <blokkie> is there an enlightenment dep  for ubuntu64 ?
[03:07] <tolle_> DXT, ah, you want it to work in the filechooser?
[03:07] <DXT> that too
[03:07] <DXT> can it be done?
[03:08] <tolle_> DXT, I do not think GTK supports it yet.
[03:08] <DXT> gah.
[03:08] <jdub> DXT: next version :)
[03:08] <tolle_> DXT, press ctrl + l
[03:08] <tolle_> DXT, and start typing the folder name.
[03:08] <jdub> DXT: for list typeahead find
[03:08] <DXT> i know this one
[03:08] <DXT> :)
[03:08] <DXT> but i hate the new filechooser
[03:08] <Kamion> flevour: update-rc.d is really meant only for packages, it's not a user-oriented tool
[03:08] <DXT> why no simple browsing
[03:08] <DXT> why
[03:08] <DXT> :|
[03:08] <Ng> :o
[03:08] <Kamion> flevour: (and it has some deficiencies which bite users when they try to use it)
[03:08] <Ng> the new chooser is lovely! :)
[03:08] <Kamion> flevour: we'll have a GUI services thingy in hoary, I think
[03:08] <tolle_> DXT: I love it, easier to browse different gnome-vfs controlled filesystems.
[03:08] <Ng> bookmarks \o/
[03:09] <blokkie> is there an enlightenment dep  for ubuntu64 ?
[03:09] <tseng> blokkie: no need to repeat yourself
[03:09] <DXT> mebbe =\
[03:09] <tseng> blokkie: dpkg -l enlightenment
[03:09] <blokkie> I know it's not in the repo's
[03:10] <blokkie> I was wondering if somebody made one
[03:10] <Kamion> blokkie: no, apparently it didn't build, don't know exactly why
[03:11] <blokkie> Kamion,  --build=x86_64  option is needed
[03:11] <Kamion> if somebody makes it build they are encouraged to send us a patch
[03:11] <blokkie> that is the only thing it needs
[03:11] <Kamion> blokkie: the patch will have to not break i386 and powerpc :)
[03:12] <blokkie> I've compiled e16.7  and e17 on amd64  just fine
[03:12] <noxfu> In the sources.list, if I uncomment the deb and deb-src lines with "restricted universe", should I then comment the lines above it that just have "restricted" ?
[03:12] <DXT> how can i make mounted drives (perm hds for example) not to appear on the desktop? kinda annoying..
[03:12] <blokkie> ach , I was not aware of that fact
[03:12] <jacob> After an update, should I telinit to some other runlevel, in order to restart all processes that might have been updated?
[03:12] <Kamion> noxfu: yes. sources.list lines generated by recent versions of the installer don't have this duplication
[03:13] <noxfu> Kamion: Ok, thanks.
[03:13] <Kamion> jacob: updated packages generally restart themselves
[03:13] <flevour> Kamion, i see.
[03:14] <jacob> Kamion, yes, services do I suppose, but al the other desktop apps and etc. What does the "experts" do?
[03:14] <Kamion> jacob: you can log out and log in again if you want to be sure about desktop stuff
[03:15] <jacob> Kamion, ok, but if I'm not sure of what packages got updated, wont two telinit's work?
[03:16] <Kamion> jacob: if you insist, yes :)
[03:16] <eaon> nice distro peeps
[03:16] <eaon> just one question, how do i get rhythmbox to play mp3s? :)
[03:16] <Kamion> jacob: I never bother, personally
[03:17] <jacob> Kamion, hehe 8) ok, seems like a bit too much overkill then
[03:17] <spiv> eaon: Install gstreamer-mad, iirc
[03:17] <eaon> okay thanks
[03:17] <Kamion> jacob: kind of defeats the purpose of a system that generally allows you to upgrade with minimal downtime, too
[03:20] <jacob> Kamion, yeah I see your point, still it would be nice to know which processes run forever once booted, so if they arent restarted automatically, one could do so manually
[03:21] <Kamion> if there's anything which doesn't get restarted automatically I'd consider it a bug
[03:22] <eaon> hmm there's no gstreamer-mad
[03:22] <sanitario> eaon: it's gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:22] <sanitario> gstreamer-* is in universe, gstreamer0.8-* is in main
[03:22] <sanitario> IIRC
[03:23] <eaon> couldn't find gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:23] <sanitario> maybe I'm mistaken...
[03:23] <sanitario> sorry, it's in universe too
[03:23] <jimi> speaking about processing, is there a way to monitor and detect "ghost" processes (buggy apps not closing properly for ex), so i can be an upt1me l33t :) without corrupting my system time after time
[03:23] <sanitario> yes, that's correct, the whole thing about mp3/divx/dvd
[03:24] <sanitario> eaon: check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=mp3
[03:26] <jimi> or there is just ps and kill :/
[03:27] <Ng> jimi: how would the system know what a "ghost" process is?
[03:27] <Ng> beyond zombies, obviously
[03:27] <blokkie> do some here work with egroupware ?
[03:28] <jimi> NG : good question, i wonder if someone thought about it and have a solution =)
[03:29] <Ng> jimi: I think the effort would be better used fixing the bugs that are making things not close properly ;)
[03:29] <jimi> yeah... but that means every one software is coded properly
[03:29] <jimi> is this gonna happen ?
[03:29] <jimi> =]
[03:30] <Ng> it's never gonna be perfect, of course
[03:31] <Ng> but I'd rather not have the system decide my work is going to be destroyed because it thinks the process is broken ;)
[03:31] <jimi> hehe
[03:31] <Ng> it's like the OOM killer
[03:31] <jimi> ?
[03:32] <Ng> Out Of Memory
[03:32] <Ng> the kernel starts killing things when it runs out of memory, so it can free some up
[03:32] <jimi> ok
[03:32] <Ng> how do you select the "correct" thing to kill?
[03:32] <jimi> /dev/urandom
[03:32] <jimi> lol
[03:32] <Ng> that's as good as any answer because there is no right answer outside the mind of your user ;)
[03:32] <Treenaks> Ng: there are multiple ways
[03:33] <Treenaks> Ng: a) kill the largest thing
[03:33] <Treenaks> Ng: b) kill the thing that asked for memory
[03:33] <Treenaks> Ng: c) Kill a program with a pre-defined name
[03:33] <Kamion> jimi: the situation you describe isn't *that* common - you do have to work fairly hard to cause things *not* to shut down correctly
[03:33] <Ng> Treenaks: sucks when you've been modelling a scene for several hours and your very large 3d app that's just asked for a bit more RAM gets slayed ;)
[03:33] <flevour> Treenaks, when kernel goess OOM, it means it has no memeroy available both in RAM and in swap?
[03:33] <jimi> d) dont kill process on defined "vital" process
[03:33] <jimi> process list
[03:34] <Treenaks> goeiemiddag :)
[03:34] <Ng> flevour: correct
[03:34] <jimi> Kamion : ok, good news :)
[03:34] <flevour> Ng, damn it! that very large 3d app must be a great resource sucker
[03:34] <Kamion> jimi: even if a process doesn't clean up its subprocesses correctly, when it exits they all get reparented to init, which cleans them up anyway
[03:35] <timonsn> jij ook goede middag
[03:35] <Kamion> jimi: if a process gets so screwed that it can't exit properly, chances are 'kill' won't get rid of it either, but that's rare in practice and often indicates other problems
[03:35] <Ng> flevour: sure, if you're hitting OOM it means you need more ram and swap, you can't expect the kernel to magically fix the situation for you ;)
[03:36] <jimi> hum ok
[03:36] <jimi> i had some problem at work, using rsync for backups, of rsync processes geting disconnected from target and runing indefinitly
[03:36] <eaon> ooh
[03:36] <eaon> there's a ui for apt :)
[03:37] <jimi> i didnt go further that kill yet
[03:37] <eaon> thanks sanitario
[03:37] <jimi> than
[03:37] <Kamion> jimi: using rsyncd or over ssh?
[03:37] <flevour> Ng, well, it could detect a fat32/ntfs partition next to itself (for example, your neighboor pc) and format it
[03:37] <jimi> rsyncd
[03:37] <Ng> flevour: hehe
[03:38] <jimi> rsyncd on windows laptops targeted by linux rsync client
[03:38] <flevour> Ng, may i ask whats the very large 3d app and how much ram+swap you have?
[03:38] <Ng> flevour: it was purely an example, although I'm quite sure I could push lightwave in WINE past the 3gb of ram/swap I have ;)
[03:38] <flevour> oh
[03:39] <flevour> i see
[03:39] <Ng> flevour: my point was about the kernel not being able to tell the difference between a program that's gone mental and stolen all the memory and one that actually needs lots of ram
[03:39] <xortw> what do you guys think about the new artwork?
[03:40] <port7> not bad i guess
[03:40] <port7> if a little cheesy..
[03:40] <xortw> is this realy the way ubuntu is going?
[03:40] <jimi> xortw : i would like a choice with theme preview at install, with no default
[03:40] <jimi> hehe
[03:40] <eaon> new artwork?
[03:40] <xortw> yes
[03:40] <jimi> freedom is choice :)
[03:40] <xortw> oke
[03:41] <xortw> but it is what people see the first time they install ubuntu
[03:42] <jimi> i personaly dont dislike the theme, but it is not appropriate for anyone i guess (pretty obvious reading the reactions lol)
[03:43] <port7> so are the 3 nekked people ubuntu developers?
[03:43] <spiv> No :)
[03:43] <jimi> =)
[03:43] <Ng> haha
[03:43] <xortw> lol
[03:43] <rmt> Hiya spiv - when're you getting to Prague?
[03:43] <jimi> no, those are slave given to ubuntu developpers :s
[03:44] <port7> nekked slaves
[03:45] <jimi> =] ~
[03:45] <eaon> hmmm i feel a like a newbie now
[03:45] <eaon> i added the stuff from the howto
[03:45] <eaon> but still no gstreamer0.8-mad for me
[03:46] <xortw> hmm, if alot people ask for it... maybe there wil be a ubuntu version sans those (how do i call them) wallpapers
[03:46] <Kamion> xortw: we're watching the discussion, and the boss'll be taking a decision before final release
[03:46] <Kamion> it's not being ignored
[03:47] <xortw> oke thnx, I would like te let you know I like the rest of the Ubuntu distro
[03:48] <jimi> i think we should propose a theme with dead animals pictures, so the user actually feels more human and more alive
[03:49] <jimi> _^;;;
[03:49] <Ng> sod the pictures, turn the sounds off! ;)
[03:50] <flevour> i dont remember whether livecd has an option to make an hd-install
[03:50] <bur[n] er> iirc, it doesn't
[03:56] <eaon> hand checked now for a gstreamer0.8-mad - thats not there anymore
[03:57] <sanitario> eaon: did you check in universe?
[03:57] <pitti> eaon: should be in universe
[03:58] <eaon> universe = gstreamer-mad ?
[03:59] <pitti> eaon: you have to enable the "universe" secion in synaptic or /etc/apt/sources.list (it's already there, commented out)
[03:59] <pitti> eaon: then you can install gstreamer0.8-mad normally
[03:59] <MyKq3> can i install Thunderbird with apt-get ?
[03:59] <pitti> MyKq3: sure, why not
[03:59] <pitti> MyKq3: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[04:00] <nreid> Anyone had problems with the latest rolled-back (9.3.x) firefox?
[04:00] <nreid> I'm segfaulting all over the place.
[04:00] <nreid> Messy.
[04:00] <pitti> nreid: no, they work far better than 1.0...
[04:00] <pitti> nreid: oh, that's bad. Can you report this in bz?
[04:00] <MyKq3> pitti,  hum and i thought it was just aptget install Thunderbird
[04:00] <MyKq3> thanks
[04:00] <cardador> eaon: both gstreamer-mad and gstreamer0.8-mad exist in the reps
[04:00] <cardador> just checked
[04:00] <nreid> Sure - I think it may possibly be because of the web dev extension I've installed.
[04:01] <nreid> I think it might be .99-1 specific.
[04:01] <spiv> eaon: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto mentions how to enable universe through synaptic
[04:01] <spiv> eaon: steps 1 - 3.
[04:02] <nreid> I guess I'll be bz reporting via lynx though ;)
[04:02] <eaon> alright, thanks
[04:02] <eaon> works now :)
[04:02] <rmt> spiv: Wie ist dein Deutsch jetzt?
[04:03] <spiv> rmt: I'm staying with a couple of German speakers, as it happens...
[04:03] <rmt> spiv: I've been reading Mary's blog.. Austrians, aren't they?
[04:04] <spiv> But I have not yet managed to learn German, despite that :)
[04:04] <spiv> Ja.
[04:04] <rmt> spiv: So, what do you know about making gnome's keyboard config recognise a new xkb layout?
[04:05] <spiv> Not much.  :)
[04:05] <spiv> I encountered a bug related to that, though, iirc.
[04:05] <spiv> Search bugzilla ;)
[04:07] <jacob> Is there a nice midi playing app for Ubuntu?
[04:08] <rmt> spiv: You must say "Grss Gott" to them.. (that's an "e" said with very rounded lips)
[04:12] <rmt> spiv: You're in Mallorca right now?  When're you heading closer my way?
[04:13] <spiv> About a week's time...
[04:13] <spiv> Lemme check.
[04:13] <mrjive> hi *
[04:14] <spiv> We'll be in Prague from the 23rd.
[04:18] <spiv> (And we'll be there for about three weeks)
[04:22] <rmt> spiv: Hmm.. coming closer, like perhaps Munich at all?
[04:22] <rmt> Prague's ~3 hours away by car .. but ~7 by train.. horrible to get there. ;)
[04:22] <spiv> We are going to fly via Dortmund, I think.
[04:23] <spiv> I've no idea if that's closer... we're not going to be there very long anyway.
[04:38] <Bliksem> whats a linux equivalent to nero?
[04:39] <blokkie> k3b ?
[04:39] <nanotech> my icons on my task bar ahve suddenly shrank to 0x0 pixels...in the pefrences i can remedy this, but i don't know what the default size was...can somebody tell me what it is?
[04:39] <nanotech> nm
[04:39] <nanotech> : /
[04:39] <Bliksem> im using ubuntu, is k3b not for KDE?
[04:40] <Zomb> Bliksem: is not windows. You do not need to load Explorer to run notepad.
[04:40] <nreid> Does anyone know if it's possible to roll-back to previously installed versions of apps using apt-get?
[04:40] <thisfred> Bliksem: are you trying to burn a data cd?
[04:40] <Bliksem> trying to burn an iso
[04:40] <thisfred> ah
[04:40] <Zomb> nreid: if the version is in your apt cache, install that one with dpkg
[04:41] <Zomb> nreid: if you do not have any backup -> bad luck
[04:41] <thisfred> I've found something I recall, but I'm not on my ubuntu right now
[04:41] <nreid> Thanks Zomb.
[04:41] <Kamion> you can only roll back with apt if one of the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list happens to still have the older version
[04:41] <thisfred> try apt-cache search roast (or burn)
[04:41] <noxfu> nreid: http://sourceforge.net/projects/apt-checkpoint/
[04:41] <cthiess> hello guys
[04:42] <Bliksem> if i right click the iso, there is the option write to disk, but it tells me i dont have any meida in my cd writer, when i do
[04:42] <cthiess> anybody here, who can help me with my ubuntu?
[04:42] <noxfu> cthiess: nope
[04:42] <Zomb> noxfu: how does it work, using dpkg-repack?
[04:42] <cthiess> thanks
[04:45] <cthiess> noxfu: thanks, for your 'nope'
[04:46] <cthiess> anybody else here who can help me with an kernel module compile problem?
[04:46] <lucas_> hi
[04:48] <noxfu> cthiess: You go into a channel named #ubuntu...asking if anyone can help you with a ubuntu problem....you don't expect the slightest bit of sarcasm?
[05:07] <lucas_> funny to see ubuntu is so young and already has its debianish flame wars ;)
[05:08] <lucas_> I just would like to ask for clarification : is the default GDM theme the "sexy" one ?
[05:08] <seraph> I have a question
[05:08] <seraph> did X break for anyone with the latest update?
[05:08] <seraph> say in the past 24 hours or so?
[05:09] <seraph> mine is reporting all kinds of gl symbol related errors
[05:09] <seraph> even vim isn't working on the command line because of libXt
[05:09] <fabbione> seraph: there were no X updates in the last 24 hours
[05:09] <fabbione> are you using any kind of binary drivers?
[05:10] <Kamion> lucas_: currently, yes.
[05:10] <seraph> fabbione: nvidia
[05:10] <seraph> I'll rerun the installer
[05:10] <fabbione> seraph: revert to nv and see if the problem persist
[05:10] <lucas_> Kamion: thanks
[05:10] <fabbione> seraph: there is no need to reinstall
[05:10] <fabbione> seraph: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:10] <seraph> omg apt just segfaulted
[05:10] <seraph> AIEEE
[05:10] <seraph> things are randomly segfaulting
[05:10] <fabbione> seraph: well that's not an X problem ;)
[05:10] <seraph> @_@
[05:11] <fabbione> check the ram
[05:11] <seraph> fabbione: actually no, thats just dpkg
[05:11] <seraph> and I found that nv gives the same results
[05:12] <seraph> __glXFree*
[05:12] <seraph> symbol unresolved
[05:13] <fabbione> seraph: i get the same but they are harmless
[05:13] <seraph> omg
[05:14] <seraph> dpkg is totally screwed
[05:14] <seraph> it claims nothing is installed
[05:14] <seraph> at all
[05:14] <seraph> every package I try isn't installed
[05:14] <fabbione> seraph: something must be seriously broken on your system'
[05:14] <seraph> really?
[05:14] <seraph> never would've guessed ;_;
[05:15] <fabbione> eheh
[05:15] <vrln> seraph: sounds like a hardware problem if your getting random segfaults
[05:15] <seraph> vrln: its not
[05:15] <vrln> try running memtest, my quess would be broken ram
[05:15] <seraph> its a dpkg specific thing
[05:15] <seraph> every apt command I try segfaults it
[05:15] <seraph> irssi etc. work fine
[05:15] <seraph> ssh works fine
[05:15] <seraph> I am so screwed
[05:15] <fabbione> seraph: probably the database is corrupted
[05:15] <seraph> is there any way to recover?
[05:16] <fabbione> seraph: probably
[05:16] <fabbione> it depends at which level is corrupted
[05:16] <seraph> ok
[05:18] <seraph> what do I do?
[05:20] <fabbione> seraph: what happens if you run: dpkg --get-selections * ?
[05:21] <lucas_> how reliable are upgrade paths from debian sid to ubuntu ?
[05:21] <seraph> fabbione: segfault
[05:23] <fabbione> seraph: i guess you don't have much you can do
[05:23] <seraph> ouch
[05:24] <seraph> reinstall it is I guess
[05:25] <fabbione> seraph: yes. but i would still run a memtest
[05:26] <fabbione> that kind of corruption is not normal
[05:26] <ermina> hi all, Im a newbee
[05:26] <ermina> I try to install my conexant modem, have any luck with it ?
[05:27] <seraph> fabbione: memtest is clean since < 2 months ago
[05:27] <Ng> hey seraph :)
[05:27] <Ng> assuming that's the #gah seraph ;)
[05:27] <ermina> ubuntu uses kernel 2.6.8 which I couldn't find the kernel source from synaptic
[05:27] <ermina> can any body help me please ??
[05:27] <Ng> ermina: it is there, linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>-16 I have installed
[05:28] <Ng> search for linux-source and it should find it.
[05:28] <ermina> is it in the CD or do I have to download it >>>
[05:29] <Ng> ah
[05:29] <Ng> not sure I'm afraid
[05:29] <sri> there's probably one in the cd, but it's best to get it online
[05:29] <Ng> if you've updated your kernel to the latest one from the internet then you'll need to get the source from there too
[05:30] <ermina> no, the kernel installed from CD, sounder 9 warty warthog
[05:31] <ermina> OK I will try it now, I hope I have luck
[05:31] <ermina> bye
[05:31] <ermina> thanks Ng
[05:32] <Ng> no probs
[05:32] <Ng> good luck :)
[05:32] <seraph> Ng: yes
[05:32] <seraph> Ng: I am officially screwed atm
[05:32] <Ng> seraph: doh, how come?
[05:32] <Bliksem> what switvh do you use to launch an app from terminal, but keep the termianl available for use?
[05:32] <seraph> Ng: might be the fact that there are many people complaining about XFS in 2.8.1 and bad shutdowns
[05:33] <seraph> ie. data loss on non-clean shutdown
[05:33] <Ng> seraph: ohh, sefaulting :/
[05:33] <seraph> yep
[05:33] <Ng> weak
[05:33] <Seveas> Bliksem app_naame parameter1 parameter2 ... &
[05:33] <Seveas> the & makes it launch in the backgriund
[05:33] <Seveas> ground*
[05:33] <david__> ok Rythmbox owns XMMS ..
[05:33] <Bliksem> thank you seveas :)
[05:34] <seraph> Ng: weak?
[05:34] <eaon> david__, it does, but it doesn't play certain files for me :(
[05:34] <david__> for once my music sounds as good in linux as M$ .. :)
[05:34] <eaon> probably gstreamers fault though?
[05:35] <david__> eaon: what files.. it plays FLAC fine .. which is what i use.. ive not tried Ogg though
[05:35] <Ng> seraph: as in "not cool"
[05:36] <eaon> david__, oh, sorry, certain mp3s
[05:36] <eaon> i have some frou frou mp3s here which it doesn't want to load into the library
[05:36] <eaon> xmms and itunes play them fine
[05:37] <david__> eaon: ive not had any MP3 trouble yet.. are they VBR files ?
[05:37] <seraph> Ng: lol
[05:39] <eaon> david__, i think they're normal 192kb files
[05:39] <eaon> but i'll have to look into that deeper later
[05:39] <eaon> busy now - later gys
[05:40] <^Asystole> hello people
[05:55] <Deft> has anyone had any problems with a complete failure to boot winxp on a machine with ubuntu? this has happed to me twice now
[05:55] <Bliksem> nope
[05:55] <mrjive> Deft: it is happening now to mw with win2k
[05:56] <Bliksem> im dual booting xp and ubuntu
[05:56] <mrjive> NTLDR is missing .. or something like this
[05:56] <Deft> my problem happened immediately on installing winxip, on it's first reboot it failed to start to finish the install
[05:58] <Deft> ntldr just seems to not like something that has happened to the disk; so I then booted to the ubuntu install cd, chrooted to my linux install, reinstalled grub, booted the winxp recovery, ran fixboot to install ntldr to the partition....
[05:58] <Deft> and now grub just won't start XP, it says it's chainloading to the partition, and then sits there for ever
[05:59] <Deft> is there a way to get ntldr into the mbr to test that out?
[06:05] <Deft> should I take that as a no?
[06:08] <Bliksem> Ive done something simple, yet so stupid, you know the "task bar" that runs allong the top, I right clicked it and chose hide this panel, how do i get it back?
[06:08] <Bliksem> :blushes:
[06:08] <Kosai> Oh, huh, I didn't think it let you do that.
[06:09] <tseng> autohide?
[06:09] <Bliksem> it let me hide it
[06:09] <tseng> if you move your mouse to the top, does it pop up
[06:09] <Bliksem> nope
[06:09] <tseng> or did you remove it completely
[06:09] <tseng> which would != hidden
[06:10] <Bliksem> it must be removed then
[06:10] <Bliksem> it doesnt pop up
[06:10] <YveDeLarc> hi. Just tried to create a bugzilla account so I can report a bug. Unfortunately, the envelope sender of the password mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which breaks sender address verification (bugzilla.ubuntu.com has no mMX record so the A record is used. smtp connection to that address times out).
[06:11] <Bliksem> there must be a way to get it back, I only have the terminal to launch apps now
[06:11] <joem> run gnome-panel?
[06:11] <YveDeLarc> Bliksem: do you still have the lower panel?
[06:12] <Bliksem> yes i have the lower one
[06:12] <YveDeLarc> Bliksem: if yes, right-click on a free space on that one and select 'New Panel'
[06:12] <YveDeLarc> Bliksem: you might have to re-populate it, though.
[06:13] <Bliksem> thanks YveDeLarc
[06:13] <YveDeLarc> Bliksem: you're welcome
[06:13] <Bliksem> was panicking there for a moment
[06:15] <dmzen> Hi all, may I ask a Mozilla question?
[06:19] <georgia> lo
[06:20] <ploum> Hello
[06:20] <ploum> anyone can define precisly what "universe" and "multiverse" are and how they are build ?
[06:20] <ploum> Does universe contain all debian packages ?
[06:20] <lucas_> ploum: oui
[06:21] <ploum> I'm working on a french mini FAQ
[06:21] <ploum> http://frimouvy.org/wiki/FaqUbuntu
[06:21] <baHam> Question: kbuild on ubuntu ? how is it called? trying to install nvidia drivers ,_,
[06:21] <ploum> I've the source main restricted universe multiverse
[06:22] <ploum> but it doesn't seem that I've mutliverse paquet (mplayer)
[06:22] <Henrik> I find the term 'multiverse' a bit odd, because it implies that it contains 'universe', which it doesn't ...
[06:22] <lucas_> I didn't know about multiverse
[06:23] <elbi> danish translation of g2 going steady, 428 translated strings of core
[06:23] <elbi> wrong channel, sorry
[06:24] <deFrysk> baHam, for installing nvidia drivers : http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:25] <baHam> deFrysk, My fking mouse doesnt work.. I mean, the scroll doesnt work
[06:26] <deFrysk> baHam, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:26] <deFrysk> baHam, and use the deafaults untill the mouse settings , try other settings there
[06:27] <deFrysk> baHam, and good luck :)
[06:30] <baHam> yea man, ubuntu r0x
[06:30] <deFrysk> :D
[06:30] <baHam> asdasd
[06:30] <baHam> :D
[06:30] <baHam> now help me with tha mouz :|
[06:30] <deFrysk> baHam, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:31] <deFrysk> baHam, and use the deafaults untill the mouse settings , try other settings there
[06:31] <deFrysk> baHam, and good luck :)
[06:31] <deFrysk> hmz ? deja vu ?
[06:31] <deFrysk> ;p
[06:31] <baHam> deFrysk, already tried :(
[06:31] <deFrysk> baHam, in kde ?
[06:32] <baHam> gnome :D
[06:32] <deFrysk> :D
[06:32] <baHam> gnome > all :P
[06:32] <deFrysk> well if that does not fix it I doo not know :s
[06:33] <baHam> where r u from
[06:33] <deFrysk> holland europe
[06:33] <baHam> :P
[06:33] <thisfred> not fryslan?
[06:33] <baHam> I just moved to america :P
[06:33] <deFrysk> yes Fryslan indeed :D
[06:34] <joolz> deFrysk: who would have guessed :)
[06:34] <deFrysk> hehe ;p
[06:35] <thisfred> well, it seems we have critical mass for a Dutch Ubuntu Users Group right here ;)
[06:35] <joolz> thisfred: ja, 't is een kwestie van geduld :)
[06:36] <baHam> my soundcard doesnt work either
[06:36] <deFrysk> baHam, tried alsamixer ?
[06:37] <baHam> not yet .. on debian it worked without finding the soundcard, by default.. I couldnt control the sound but it was ok..
[06:37] <baHam> root@ubuntu:/home/baham # apt-get install alsamixer
[06:37] <baHam> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:37] <baHam> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:37] <baHam> E: Couldn't find package alsamixer
[06:37] <baHam> root@ubuntu:/home/baham #
[06:37] <deFrysk> baHam, run alsamixer , not install
[06:37] <baHam> root@ubuntu:/home/baham # alsamixer
[06:37] <baHam> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[06:37] <deFrysk> alsamixer as user
[06:37] <deFrysk> aha
[06:37] <baHam> same thing
[06:38] <deFrysk> not detected soundacard
[06:38] <baHam> yep
[06:38] <deFrysk> baHam, buy another one
[06:38] <deFrysk> a cheap generic
[06:38] <deFrysk> always works
[06:38] <baHam> aha
[06:38] <baHam> :(
[06:39] <deFrysk> what model doe you have ?
[06:39] <deFrysk> doe* do
[06:41] <baHam> deFrysk, it's a i810
[06:43] <deFrysk> i810_audio is the name of the module
[06:43] <deFrysk> do lsmod
[06:43] <deFrysk> and see if its there
[06:44] <deFrysk> intel8x0 sorry
[06:46] <baHam> not there
[06:47] <deFrysk> modprobe i810_audio
[06:47] <deFrysk> try that
[06:48] <baHam> tried
[06:48] <baHam> it did
[06:48] <baHam> but nuthin.. it doesnt work
[06:48] <deFrysk> sudo used ?
[06:48] <baHam> hm ?
[06:48] <deFrysk> sudo modprobe i810_audio
[06:49] <baHam> i tried as root
[06:49] <baHam> but doesnt work
[06:49] <deFrysk> I see
[06:51] <deFrysk> AMD Athlon + AMD 751/756 Chipset UNUSABLE in Linux [Debian]
[06:51] <deFrysk> baHam, that chipset ?
[06:51] <baHam> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[06:52] <deFrysk> well you need a specilist for this one
[06:52] <baHam^eat> cu later
[06:52] <deFrysk> the module should be there i guess
[06:56] <thk> any problems with dualbooting ubuntu and osx?
[06:57] <jdub> shouldn't be
[07:01] <Kamion> thk: works for me
[07:02] <thk> nice
[07:02] <thk> out of the box
[07:02] <thk> ?
[07:02] <thk> i tried getting my ibook dualboot gentoo and osx, but osx don't detect the disc
[07:02] <thk> after installing gentoo.
[07:02] <Kamion> thk: I wouldn't attempt to resize an HFS+ filesystem from our installer if I were you
[07:03] <Kamion> but otherwise I've not had any problems out of the box; then again, my OS X installation is a few versions back
[07:03] <thk> i can't seem to partition the disc when installing osx. should i start with ubuntu?
[07:04] <Kamion> OS X's installer definitely had a partitioning option when I used it
[07:04] <Kamion> this powerbook came with OS X installed, I reinstalled with the supplied media to make the OS X partition smaller
[07:05] <baHam> deFrysk, what was the link to the drivers?
[07:05] <deFrysk> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:05] <Kamion> thk: the partitioning option in OS X is kind of obscure, I can't remember where they hid it
[07:06] <thk> hmm. i olny got to choose media. maybe there was some more advanced option when selecting.. hmm.
[07:08] <netventure> is the release candidate out?
[07:09] <netventure> hellow?
[07:10] <evilmegaman> Hi
[07:10] <Kamion> netventure: yes, see ubuntu-announce mailing list archives
[07:10] <netventure> evilmm: hi
[07:10] <netventure> kaimon: ok, thanks
[07:10] <evilmegaman> Does ubuntu have good ATI driver support?
[07:11] <netventure> evilmm: what card do you have?
[07:11] <evilmegaman> ATI radeon 9550
[07:11] <netventure> I think the default installation suports the 9550
[07:11] <evilmegaman> Ok :) And would it have 3d support? Or what would I do about that?
[07:11] <netventure> you can always download the ATI proprietary drivers through synaptic
[07:12] <evilmegaman> Oh
[07:12] <evilmegaman> Hmmm
[07:12] <netventure> * looks up synaptic
[07:12] <spiv> evilmegaman: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:13] <evilmegaman> Ok
[07:13] <evilmegaman> And one more thing :) I tried the Preview Release but that didn't recognize my cd rom drive.. Will this one recognize it? Only ubuntu and mandrake do not recognize it
[07:15] <netventure> did'nt recognize... before install or after install?
[07:15] <evilmegaman> During install
[07:15] <netventure> ide?
[07:15] <netventure> scsi?
[07:15] <evilmegaman> I think so
[07:15] <evilmegaman> I dunno
[07:15] <evilmegaman> lemme check
[07:15] <evilmegaman> I am stupid about hardware
[07:16] <netventure> ok, so you're not a bot :)
[07:17] <baHam> hmm.. I need some help with ubuntu
[07:17] <evilmegaman> it's IDE
[07:17] <baHam> 1. my mousewheel doesnt work 2. my soundcard doesnt work
[07:18] <evilmegaman> are you on a laptop? those are my friends issues with his laptop..
[07:18] <netventure> which soundcard do you have?
[07:19] <baHam> netventure, it is a sis
[07:19] <baHam> netventure, Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[07:20] <netventure> evilmm: when installing, hit alt+f2 and in the console use dmesg|less to see if there's any error message
[07:21] <evilmegaman> ok
[07:21] <evilmegaman> thanks netventure
[07:21] <netventure> baham: try lspci -v to get a more detailed output, that will tell which chip/model it is
[07:22] <netventure> emm: hope you get the drive working...
[07:22] <netventure> gud luk
[07:22] <baHam> Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[07:22] <baHam>         Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.: Unknown device 7850
[07:22] <baHam>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 3
[07:22] <baHam>         I/O ports at e000
[07:22] <baHam>         I/O ports at e400 [size=128]
[07:22] <baHam>         Capabilities: [48]  Power Management version 2
[07:23] <deFrysk> netventure, he needs a intel-i810 module
[07:23] <netventure> ?
[07:23] <netventure> an i810 model for sis audio?
[07:23] <deFrysk> netventure, baHam does
[07:23] <netventure> module*
[07:24] <deFrysk> baham told me he had an intel model
[07:24] <baHam> netventure, I dont know.. it is sis and everywhere is written that I have to modprobe i810_audio..
 deFrysk, it's a i810
[07:24] <deFrysk> see ?
[07:25] <netventure> looking it up in google
[07:25] <baHam> http://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~dangelo/G733_en.html
[07:25] <baHam> look here
[07:25] <baHam> there is a guy with the same soundcard
[07:26] <deFrysk> modprobe intel8x0
[07:26] <deFrysk> should do it then ?
[07:26] <baHam> no
[07:26] <baHam> it doesnt find that module
[07:27] <baHam> dun wanna reconfigure the kernel ;_;
[07:27] <evilmegaman> where's the US mirror for getting ubuntu?
[07:27] <netventure> baha,: try snd-intel8x0
[07:28] <netventure> baham, I'm a little confused, is the link you mentioned, the correct config for your system?
[07:28] <Hmmmmm_> can we expect warty on monday?
[07:28] <baHam> no netventure, but the guy has the same audio
[07:29] <baHam> it modprobed the snd-intel8x0
[07:29] <jdub> Hmmmmm_: wednesday
[07:29] <netventure> ok
[07:29] <deFrysk> baHam, check lsmod
[07:29] <deFrysk> see if its there now
[07:29] <baHam> deFrysk, now it works
[07:29] <baHam> but like on debian
[07:29] <deFrysk> cool L:)
[07:29] <baHam> I cant control the audio
[07:29] <baHam> :D
[07:29] <netventure> control?
[07:29] <deFrysk> I have to go
[07:30] <baHam> netventure, yeah the audio is just the same if I put it on 0% or on 100%
[07:30] <netventure> ok
[07:30] <netventure> does dmesg give anything?
[07:30] <baHam> just dmesg
[07:30] <baHam> ?
[07:30] <baHam> i810: SiS 7012 found at IO 0xe400 and 0xe000, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 3
[07:30] <baHam> i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.
[07:30] <baHam> i810_audio: Defaulting to base 2 channel mode.
[07:30] <baHam> i810_audio: Resetting connection 0
[07:30] <baHam> ac97_codec: AC97  codec, id: CMI97 (CMedia)
[07:30] <baHam> AC97 codec does not have proper volume support.
[07:30] <baHam> i810_audio: only 48Khz playback available.
[07:31] <baHam> i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, new EID value = 0x05c6
[07:31] <baHam> i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, DAC map configured, total channels = 6
[07:31] <baHam> i810_audio: setting clocking to 48566
[07:31] <mdz> i810_audio? that's an OSS driver
[07:31] <mdz> blacklisted by default
[07:31] <mdz> don't use it
[07:31] <mdz> if snd-intel8x0 was loaded by default, that's correct
[07:32] <baHam> hm
[07:32] <baHam> so ?
[07:33] <netventure> hm...
[07:33] <netventure> lot of the same stuff on google
[07:33] <evilmegaman> How do I use .jigdo files? I forgot
[07:34] <evilmegaman> do I have to get it from debian.org or something?
[07:34] <socomm> evilmegaman: http://www.google.com
[07:34] <socomm> http://atterer.net/jigdo/
[07:35] <socomm> http://atterer.net/jigdo/debian-jigdo-mini-howto/index.html
[07:35] <evilmegaman> thank you :) That's what I found
[07:35] <socomm> That should be enough to get you started.
[07:35] <evilmegaman> sure is
[07:36] <tuxakka> howto to make ubuntu channel in own language, in my case fi?
[07:36] <socomm> tuxakka: Huh?
[07:37] <socomm> tuxakka: this channel, as far as I know, is english only.
[07:37] <netventure> mdz, just curious, but why is the 810 module blacklisted?
[07:37] <netventure> I have a via82xx, and it's blacklisted too?
[07:38] <netventure> (audio modules)
[07:38] <clee> daniels: dude.
[07:38] <clee> daniels: jabber?
[07:39] <netventure> baham, have you tried i810_audio?
[07:40] <netventure> rmmod snd-i8x0 and then modprobe i810_audio
[07:40] <baHam> netventure, doesnt work with i810_audio
[07:40] <netventure> hmmm..
[07:40] <netventure> looks like the driver is broken...
[07:40] <baHam> I read some time ago
[07:41] <baHam> that they are still working
[07:41] <baHam> on the drivers of my soundcard
[07:41] <baHam> not a problem, the volume is ok :)
[07:42] <tuxakka> yes socomm but somebody said that should ask local channels from here, you know like there is a debian then in my country debian-fi, is it plan to make local channels in difrent languages?
[07:43] <baHam> I mean this ubuntu doesnt even have gdesklets on his repositories ?
[07:44] <netventure> baham: here's something about alan cox from an old archive: http://www.spinics.net/lists/rhsound/msg00009.html
[07:44] <netventure> not a solution, but that's the best I could find
[07:44] <baHam> d archive: http://www.spinics.net/lists/rhsound/msg00009.html
[07:45] <netventure> has anyone been able to get radeonfb working on the console?
[07:46] <socomm> tuxakka: sorry I don't know anything about that.
[07:47] <socomm> baHam: I got gdesklets here.
[07:47] <tuxakka> ok socomm, I asked cause we keep linux channels and email lists in finland
[07:47] <netventure> socom: is there a console only runlevel in ubuntu?
[07:47] <baHam> socomm, 0.26?
[07:48] <socomm> baHam: 0.26.2
[07:48] <baHam> and it works ?
[07:48] <socomm> baHam: yes running that cow deskelet
[07:49] <baHam> socomm, how do you do that ?
[07:49] <Kamion> netventure: no, the runlevels are left for your own customisation
[07:49] <socomm> baHam: `apt-get install gdesklets && apt-get install gdesklets-data'
[07:49] <socomm> baHam: you may have to update your repos first though.
[07:49] <baHam> socomm, yea I mean, after installing.. how do you run the displays..
[07:50] <netventure> kamion: can you give me a few tips, having come from slackware, I find it a little difficult to use sysV and debian
[07:50] <socomm> baHam: `cd /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays'
[07:50] <eaon> is there an ubuntu livecd?
[07:50] <eaon> website doesn't mention it
[07:51] <socomm> baHam: 'ls' and 'cd' to whichever desklets you wanna run.
[07:51] <mdz> netventure: all of the OSS modules are blacklisted, because there are ALSA modules which are equivalent or better
[07:51] <mdz> netventure: and you can't mix OSS and ALSA modules on the same device
[07:52] <socomm> baHam: Then run gdesklets and give it the name of the display as an argument. For instance 'gdesklets debian-cow.display'
[07:52] <baHam> hm
[07:52] <mdz> netventure: radeonfb is known to have a lot of problems, that's why it isn't loaded by default
[07:52] <baHam> ok I'll try when the gdesklets site works
[07:52] <netventure> mdz: I'm new to debian, how do I tell the OS, which modules to load?
[07:52] <hypn0> eaon: there is livecd but it doesnt seem to be mirrorred in europe
[07:52] <socomm> baHam: good luck, there isn't much documentation for this piece of software.
[07:53] <baHam> anybody running firefox 1.0 on ubuntu ?
[07:53] <socomm> baHam: oh and after you've done that 'gdeskelet desklet.display' run gdesklet so it will appear on your desktop.
[07:53] <eaon> okay
[07:53] <eaon> googling then
[07:55] <netventure> mdz: I've been able to use radeonfb on slackware, it loads on ubuntu, but then the screen is blank during boot until the console font is changed
[07:56] <netventure> mdz: but then again, it's only a plain text console, no fb :(
[07:56] <baHam> help..
[07:57] <baHam> I just dpkg -installed the debian experimental package of mozilla-firefox.. how can I remove it ? ;_;
[07:59] <baHam> I just dpkg -installed the debian experimental package of mozilla-firefox.. how can I remove it ? ;_;
[08:00] <sri> for some reason, I can no longer use nautilus to mount ssh volumes
[08:00] <socomm> baHam: `man dpkg'
[08:00] <socomm> baHam: should be 'dpkg uninstall package'
[08:01] <Tiboz> hello all
[08:02] <sri> gnomevfs-ls tells me "Internal error"
[08:02] <baHam> Hi Tiboz
[08:03] <Tiboz> i just installed ubuntu yesterday and i find very cool for the moment
[08:03] <Tiboz> +it
[08:03] <Tiboz> but i got errors when i do apt-get update, is it a known issue ?
[08:04] <baHam> Tiboz, paste the output
[08:04] <netventure> tiboz: what was the error(s)?
[08:04] <Tiboz> Impossible de rcuprer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:04] <Tiboz> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[08:05] <baHam> Tiboz, you cannot add that..
[08:05] <baHam> remove that line from you /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <netventure> looks like the file was'nt properly downloaded, corruption while downloading
[08:05] <baHam> and save and then apt-get update
[08:05] <Tiboz> i only uncomment the lines for universe packages
[08:06] <baHam> nah
[08:06] <baHam> comment the http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[08:07] <netventure> tiboz: I'd suggest using synaptic
[08:07] <Tiboz> http://paste.husk.org/1796
[08:07] <Tiboz> i don't have this line
[08:07] <Tiboz> here is my source.list
[08:07] <Tiboz> netventure: i come from debian, so I prefer apt-get ;)
[08:07] <lobo_nz> Tiboz: If you used an older iso the sources for universe have been modified there are some instructions on www.ubuntulinux.org which fixed it for me
[08:08] <netventure> ha ha, ok, point taken
[08:08] <Tiboz> lobo_nz: i used the warty iso
[08:08] <lobo_nz> Tiboz: The RC latest one should be ok
[08:09] <lobo_nz> Tiboz: I had the gzip thing with an older prerealease iso
[08:09] <netventure> tiboz, did you try apt-get update again?
[08:09] <Tiboz> again ?
[08:10] <netventure> I mean, are you getting the error everytime you run apt-get update?
[08:10] <Tiboz> yes
[08:10] <Tiboz> but i installed it only testerday
[08:10] <Tiboz> yesterday sorry
[08:10] <Tiboz> gzip: stdin: Resource temporarily unavailable
[08:11] <Tiboz> a it just changed
[08:11] <Tiboz> now the pb is gone
[08:11] <Tiboz> very strange
[08:12] <Tiboz> probably a problem with the ubuntu server
[08:12] <Tiboz> i got another question
[08:12] <Tiboz> is there an easy way to use apm rather than acpi without recompiling a kernel ?
[08:13] <netventure> try this:  rm -rf var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*
[08:13] <netventure> and then aapt-get update again
[08:13] <Tiboz> netventure: it's ok nom
[08:13] <Tiboz> now
[08:13] <Tiboz> netventure: thanks for the help
[08:14] <netventure> at the grub loader, just add acpi=off and test. If all works, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and make it permanent
[08:14] <Tiboz> and ubuntu will automaticly switch to apm ?
[08:14] <netventure> should do
[08:14] <Tiboz> ok
[08:15] <Tiboz> because acpi on thinkpads is not very well supported actually
[08:15] <netventure> most distros have both acpi and apm modules in case a system does'nt have acpi...
[08:15] <Tiboz> ok
[08:16] <netventure> hmm.. does it give any errors, or is it  missing any required features?
[08:16] <afonit> I wish they would update inkscape
[08:16] <netventure> my bro has a thinkpad, and Iwas thinking him to go linux...
[08:16] <Tiboz> netventure: it is a known issue
[08:16] <LoLoROS> Hola, does someone help me?, I have installed the enlightment but it(he,she) does not go out for me in the GDM, as do I add it?
[08:16] <netventure> :(
[08:16] <Tiboz> there is a problem between acpi on thinkpad and hotplug
[08:16] <netventure> oh, ok
[08:17] <Tiboz> but i read something that makes me hope that the pb should be fixed with 2.6.9
[08:18] <netventure> hope they do, will be happy to see another linux box at home
[08:18] <Tiboz> yeah
[08:18] <netventure> loloros:
[08:18] <thursday> good day all
[08:18] <Tiboz> hy thursday
[08:18] <solsTiCe> hi. just installed ubuntu . i am looking a way to install a basic firewall (don't find how to launch iptables) and
[08:18] <netventure> d00d, it's saturday!
[08:19] <LoLoROS> say to me
[08:19] <netventure> don't know much but I think you need to use enligtenment with gnome...
[08:20] <netventure> not really sure, i'ts been a long time since slackware 7 and enlightenment...
[08:20] <Tiboz> solsTiCe: fwbuilder - Firewall administration tool GUI
[08:20] <Tiboz> solsTiCe: you can try this one
[08:20] <solsTiCe> and a way to configure the service launch and a way to stop hotplug to load 8139cp while iam using 8139too modules (blacklist the module ?)
[08:20] <solsTiCe> Tiboz: thx
[08:20] <LoLoROS> sorry i dont speak english
[08:21] <Tiboz> solsTiCe: what's your pb with hotplug ?
[08:21] <netventure> loloros: pl
[08:21] <Tiboz> LoLoROS: french ?
[08:21] <LoLoROS> Spanish
[08:21] <Tiboz> outch
[08:21] <netventure> loloros: ok, I'll make it more simple, wait
[08:21] <netventure> loloros: i'm installing enlit
[08:21] <solsTiCe> Tiboz: I used to use woody and there was a basic script to store and load the iptables config . is there somthing like that in sarge ie ubuntu ?
[08:21] <netventure> gimme a few mins
[08:21] <netventure> 'eh senor
[08:22] <ficusplanet> I'm having trouble getting the NVidia drivers working.  I've installed the nvidia-glx package, commented out GLCore and dri from XF86Config-4 but it still won't load.  What else do I have to do?
[08:22] <LoLoROS> si
[08:22] <LoLoROS> ya lo instale
[08:22] <flevour> solsTiCe, try modconf go to kernel/drivers/net and try to disable that module
[08:22] <Tiboz> solsTiCe: normally iptables scripts are in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
[08:22] <netventure> oui
[08:22] <LoLoROS> Gnome I like much, but it was for proving(trying) new things
[08:23] <liran> hey dear mates :)
[08:23] <liran> I have a question
[08:23] <solsTiCe> flevour: Tiboz thank you i go and see
[08:24] <Tiboz> solsTiCe: no pbs
[08:24] <LoLoROS> Certainly a lot of congratulations for the distribution, if there is hereabouts algun collaborator or developer
[08:24] <netventure> cool...
[08:24] <liran> I have domain,i can control it,I want to know if i can use this domain as my hostname ?
[08:25] <baHam> any cool ubuntu wallpapers?
[08:25] <ficusplanet> Anybody here been able to get the nvidia drivers working in ubuntu?
[08:25] <netventure> in the days of gnome 1.4, there was an option to load gnome+enlightement or enlightenment only... not sure
[08:25] <Tiboz> there is a script to install E i believe
[08:25] <Tiboz> enlightenment-install or something like that
[08:25] <mt2> does anyone know how to increase the resolution of your screen? I know it's possible with my card and monitor, in Linux, to have 1280x1024 but ubuntu doesn't give me that option. Is there any way to fix this issue?
[08:25] <liran> baHam you can try www.gnome-look.org
[08:26] <jimi> ficusplanet : yes following what said in ubuntu wiki
[08:26] <baHam> they are ugly
[08:26] <baHam> :(
[08:26] <Tiboz> or art.gnome.org
[08:26] <LoLoROS> thanks netventure & Tiboz
[08:27] <netventure> mt2: you need to manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add the res there
[08:27] <LoLoROS> and other question, how do you see div-x in totem?
[08:27] <Tiboz> you're welcome
[08:27] <liran> I have domain,i can control it,I want to know if i can use this domain as my hostname ?
[08:27] <Tiboz> liran: use the hostname command
[08:27] <mt2> netventure, I've tried that, but gnome fails to allow me to change it the resolution, I shall try again though
[08:27] <netventure> loloros: well, thanks to you, I'm trying E now!
[08:28] <netventure> liran: do you have a public IP?
[08:28] <liran> Tiboz I don`t know how to use it
[08:28] <liran> netventure what you mean?
[08:28] <Tiboz> man hostname ;)
[08:28] <Tiboz> is your ip beginning by 10.0.0 or 192.168.0 ?
[08:28] <netventure> mt2: you need to restart the comp (actually X, but I don't know how in debian)
[08:29] <liran> Tiboz no
[08:29] <mt2> ahhh, I've got it, control+alt+backspace restarts the x server
[08:29] <netventure> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:29] <thursday> is the new version of E out yet netventure?
[08:29] <Tiboz> what do you mean by having a domain ?
[08:29] <mt2> I was missing one decloration for my display mode, but I had the right resolution for 16 bit
[08:30] <mt2> sorry for wasting your time ;)
[08:30] <Tiboz> liran: because your actual dns make me think that you don't have a fixed ip
[08:30] <liran> I have domain that i registered it @ uk2reg.com
[08:30] <Tiboz> but a dynamical one provided by your fai
[08:31] <Tiboz> liran: what do you want exactly ?
[08:31] <Tiboz> i don't really the your point
[08:31] <netventure> liran probably wants to use his computer as the server for his domain
[08:32] <mt2> that worked beautifully, thank you! :)
[08:32] <liran> Tiboz my current hostname is linuxphreak and i have this domain ap1c.org so i want that my hostname will be linuxphreak.ap1c.org
[08:32] <netventure> mt2: cool dood
[08:32] <mt2> I was also wishing to ask, if I may, about Totem crashing
[08:33] <mt2> the app opens fine, but when it plays something, it crashes
[08:33] <bur[n] er> mt2: does it start the audio?
[08:33] <mt2> no
[08:33] <bur[n] er> and the first second repeats over and over?
[08:33] <Tiboz> liran: it is a dns problem: if you do not have a public IP, you'll have to use something like dyndns
[08:33] <mt2> it just completly crashes
[08:33] <bur[n] er> oh... that's what happens to me with rhythmbox and totem ;)  might be a gstreamer thign for me
[08:33] <Tiboz> mt2: use vlc ;)
[08:33] <bur[n] er> mt2: got a bug report?
[08:33] <bur[n] er> vlc doesn't work for me either
[08:33] <bur[n] er> doesn't even load
[08:33] <bur[n] er> heh
[08:33] <bur[n] er> they used to
[08:34] <mt2> I haven't made one yet, I just installed ubuntu a few minutes ago
[08:34] <liran> Tiboz i have public ip
[08:34] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: neither wxvlc ?
[08:34] <Bliksem> I had problems with totem... I installed gxine, its handled everything ive thrown at it including .vob files from my dvd rips
[08:34] <Tiboz> liran: is this the computer you're connecting from ?
[08:34] <liran> yeah
[08:35] <Tiboz> then you have to ask your fai to put the reverse dns onto your fixed ip
[08:35] <bur[n] er> Tiboz: nope
[08:35] <z1nOnly> netventure, just installed ubuntu and everything is working great!  how do i confirm that my ati radeon 9800 card is being used?  it appears to be.
[08:35] <netventure> fai?
[08:35] <Tiboz> sorry
[08:35] <Tiboz> fournisseur d'acces  internet
[08:35] <Tiboz> it's french
[08:35] <liran> Tiboz i will try
[08:35] <Tiboz> internet provider
[08:35] <baHam> question: can one get hoary hedgehog right NOW?
[08:36] <netventure> baham: yes
[08:36] <Tiboz> and then configure your domain to set linuxphreak.ap1c.org
[08:36] <baHam> netventure, and there is xorg?
[08:36] <netventure> baham: but you need a time machine
[08:36] <baHam> ahahahahahahah
[08:36] <baHam> lol
[08:36] <baHam> when will the first beta be out ?
[08:36] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: strange
[08:36] <netventure> z1nonly: in a console do: less /var/log/X......log
[08:36] <netventure> and you will be able to see somewhere inthere that an ATI driver has been used
[08:37] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: did you try vlc -vvv to see what it sats ?
[08:38] <mt2> is gxine avaiable for install?
[08:39] <bur[n] er> nope
[08:39] <bur[n] er> didn't nkow it was there
[08:39] <bur[n] er> one sec
[08:39] <netventure> tiboz: that's enlightnement.install for 0.16.x
[08:39] <monteiro> my writer only writes at 12x :( i have an LG 52x
[08:40] <Tiboz> netventure: yeah that's it
[08:40] <bur[n] er> says i'm missing a .vlc directory
[08:40] <bur[n] er> but i thought it was auto-created?
[08:40] <Tiboz> yeah i thought too
[08:41] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: it's the only error ?
[08:41] <bur[n] er> only 'warning'
[08:41] <Tiboz> that's probably because you never was able to launch it
[08:41] <mt2> I can't find vlc for install either
[08:41] <mt2> is it under a different name?
[08:42] <Tiboz> mt2: vlc and gxine are in univers
[08:42] <Tiboz> e
[08:42] <bur[n] er> Gdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[08:42] <bur[n] er>   serial 367 error_code 2 request_code 45 minor_code 0
[08:42] <bur[n] er> mt2: in universe
[08:42] <bur[n] er> doh
[08:42] <bur[n] er> that's my error Tiboz
[08:42] <Bliksem> mt2: i got gxine here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/gxine
[08:42] <Tiboz> with vlc or wxvlc ?
[08:42] <bur[n] er> vlc
[08:42] <mt2> thank you
[08:42] <bur[n] er> libhal.c 696 : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceDoesNotExist raised
[08:42] <bur[n] er> "Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist"
[08:42] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: try vlc -I dummy myfile.avi
[08:43] <bur[n] er> i get that as well in wxvlc
[08:43] <bur[n] er> in addition
[08:43] <mt2> how do you add universe to your repository list?
[08:43] <bur[n] er> -I dummy?
[08:43] <Tiboz> mt2: uncomment the line in source.list
[08:43] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: deactivate the interface
[08:43] <thursday> mt2: i think the entrys are already in /etc/apt/sources.lst, you just need to uncomment them
[08:44] <z1nOnly> netventure, it found and is using my "ati radeon 9800 pro".  thanks again
[08:44] <zetor> hi!
[08:44] <netventure> try glxinfo for 3d info
[08:44] <bur[n] er> soo... i get video and no sound
[08:44] <netventure> zetor: hi
[08:44] <mt2> there we go
[08:44] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: erf
[08:44] <bur[n] er> i have two sound cards would that mess it up?
[08:45] <Tiboz> i don't think
[08:45] <z1nOnly> netventure, were you asking me to try glxinfo?
[08:45] <Tiboz> try again with -vvv and check lines about sound
[08:45] <Tiboz> about /dev/dsp mainly
[08:45] <netventure> z1nonly: just FYI, it'll tell you if DRI is enabled
[08:47] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: (stupid question) did you check the volume in aumix ?
[08:47] <bur[n] er> with vvv, i dont' even get sound
[08:47] <bur[n] er> er... video
[08:47] <bur[n] er> ;)
[08:47] <Solkaris> howdy all
[08:47] <bur[n] er> i don't use alsa
[08:48] <solsTiCe> Tiboz: i have a simple script that calls iptables-restore in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d is there another way to do that " la debian" or actually sarge ?
[08:48] <netventure> solkaris: howdy pardner
[08:48] <Tiboz> solsTiCe: for me _this_ the debian way ;)
[08:48] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: aumix is not alsa
[08:48] <solsTiCe> Tiboz: ok
[08:49] <solsTiCe> Tiboz: i didn't find modconf that flevour mention . is it a dir or a command ?
[08:49] <Tiboz> i didn't understand what you said
[08:50] <solsTiCe> Tiboz: flevour told me to use modconf to disable a module
[08:50] <punkass_> something funny: http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html
[08:50] <Tiboz> solsTiCe: a command i think
[08:51] <bur[n] er> all volume is up except mix
[08:51] <bur[n] er> er... mic
[08:51] <bur[n] er> :)
[08:51] <Tiboz> strange
[08:52] <Tiboz> bur[n] er: you can ask gibalou on #videolan
[08:52] <mt2> installing Gxine from universe fixes totem o_O
[08:52] <Tiboz> mt2: totem is based on xine
[08:52] <ficusplanet> Is there anyway to hide the "Run Application...", "About Ubuntu", and "Help" launchers?
[08:52] <mt2> I realize that
[08:52] <Tiboz> i got to leave you
[08:52] <Tiboz> see ya later
[08:52] <bur[n] er> Tiboz: i'm not too worried ;)
[08:52] <mt2> but installing another ui shouldn't be the fix
[08:52] <bur[n] er> thanks though
[08:53] <christophe> hi, Trying to install warty with netboot, doc says "netboot/pxeboot.tar.gz" but it's not in the cd
[08:53] <zetor> how to edit the menus in gnome? gconf??
[08:53] <punkass_> zetor: goto a submenu item and rightclick
[08:53] <ficusplanet> zetor, I know how to generally edit menus, but it doens't seem possible to remove the items I mentioned.
[08:54] <Solkaris> zetor  or open a nautilus window location to applications:///
[08:54] <zetor> thks!!
[08:54] <christophe> Where can I find netboot/pxeboot.tar.gz ?
[08:55] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[08:55] <zetor> Solkaris:thaxs!
[08:55] <Solkaris> your welcome zetor
[08:56] <kent> Do some one know a source for apt that have muine? I don't see it in Ubuntu's archive.
[08:56] <ficusplanet> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[08:56] <ficusplanet> kent, That has all the major mono apps.
[08:58] <netventure> hey, what happened to all the flame regarding the "naked" artwork
[08:58] <zetor> Solkaris: seen this somewhere i the net earlier but forget it...thanks again!
[08:58] <kent> ficusplanet, thanks alot!
[08:58] <Solkaris> my pleasure to help zetor
[08:58] <ficusplanet> kent, no problem
[08:58] <netventure> no offense meant, just wanted to know if they've reverted or updates with other slpash nad gdm themes
[08:59] <Solkaris> netventure just change them if you dont like them
[08:59] <SmokingFire> why can't I sometimes change the background image without logging off and on?
[09:00] <jasoni> How do I get dvd libcss working with totem?
[09:00] <jasoni> where can I get it?
[09:00] <SmokingFire> thought that installing totem-xine would allow you to play divx movies.
[09:01] <Solkaris> jasoni try ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[09:01] <Solkaris> SmokingFire did you install the win32codecs ?
[09:01] <Se7h> how can i activate scsi emulation ?
[09:02] <netventure> solkaris: no offense meant at all, but I have a few systems in the office and people asking me if that is the default...
[09:02] <stratos> Se7h, why would you want scsi emultaion?
[09:02] <Se7h> xcdroast
[09:02] <Se7h> needs it
[09:02] <Solkaris> its the default splash and gdm for now .. this is not 1.0 yet
[09:02] <SmokingFire> Solkaris: yes i did
[09:03] <stratos> mmm wel i never used xcdroast, but you don't actualy need the scsi emulation anymore to burn cd's. perhaps xcdroast isn't updated yet on that point. dunno.
[09:03] <Se7h> yeah
[09:03] <Se7h> probably thats the problem
[09:03] <Se7h> i can use eroaster
[09:03] <Se7h> but returns me ....
[09:04] <Se7h> w8
[09:04] <Solkaris> netventure just shut off the splash in computer -> desktop preferences -> session  and changed GDM  computer -> system configuration ->Login screen setup
[09:04] <Nonphasis> ah... never before have so many men wondered how to change the gdm theme
[09:05] <Nonphasis> I guess this is a new claim to fame for GDM
[09:05] <Se7h> cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording.
[09:05] <Se7h> cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive.
[09:05] <Se7h> /usr/bin/mkisofs: Broken pipe. cannot fwrite 2048*1
[09:05] <netventure> solkaris: yeah, I already did that... let's drop the topic.
[09:06] <Se7h> why the hell..
[09:06] <mario> Ubuntu for x86, is optimized for 686?? or only for 386?
[09:06] <Se7h> my burner supports tao dao sao
[09:07] <stratos> Se7h, too much tech for my knowledge :) when my burner broke i just got a new one :P
[09:07] <bur[n] er> Se7h: there's always k3b :\
[09:07] <bur[n] er> and there's cdw
[09:07] <Se7h> bur[n] er i use gnome ;P
[09:08] <bur[n] er> i use gnome too
[09:08] <bur[n] er> and i use k3b
[09:08] <bur[n] er> and konqueror
[09:08] <Se7h> GTK+ based CD mastering and burning program
[09:08] <Se7h> gcombust is a GTK+ frontend for mksisofs and cdrecord.
[09:08] <bur[n] er> i never used it... heard it was crap :\
[09:09] <netventure> mario: you can get 686 optimised kernel and libc6 (which are the main speed setters) via apt-get or synaptic
[09:09] <Se7h> Tcl/Tk front-end for burning cdrom
[09:09] <Se7h> A Tcl/Tk front-end for cdrecord, cdparanoia and mkisofs;
[09:09] <mario> netventure, thanks
[09:09] <Bliksem> im having a problem with burning an iso
[09:09] <Bliksem> i right click the iso, ad choose write to disk
[09:09] <netventure> mario: you're welcome
[09:09] <Se7h> wooo
[09:09] <Se7h> A parallel burner that allow you to write to one or more CD-Writer at once
[09:10] <Bliksem> select the drive and choose burn, it then says no media
[09:10] <Se7h> Bliksem is the drive mounted?
[09:10] <Bliksem> "Reload rewritable or blank media
[09:10] <Bliksem> Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media." Is the error message
[09:10] <sikkh> could anyone tell me what is the relation of libGL.so.1 to  dri driver *_dri.so?
[09:10] <sikkh> libGL is only a "wrapper"?
[09:11] <Se7h> Bliksem cd with data or its #broken"
[09:11] <liran> Im looking for some guies about desing in GIMP
[09:12] <netventure> bye all, I have to go
[09:12] <Se7h> bur[n] er dam, k3b uses many libs from kde.. :|
[09:12] <Solkaris> later netventure
[09:12] <Bliksem> Se7h I dont seem to be able to mount the blank cd im trying to burn the iso to, is that normal?
[09:13] <ficusplanet> Bliksem, you can't mount blank discs
[09:13] <Se7h> true
[09:13] <ficusplanet> (there's no filesystem on them)
[09:13] <Bliksem> ok, i understand, still doesnt help me burn this iso though
[09:14] <ficusplanet> Right click on an iso file and choose write to cd
[09:14] <Bliksem> have you all used the right click -> write to disk feature?
[09:14] <bur[n] er> Se7h: if you find me a comparable gnome alternative, i'm all ears
[09:14] <Bliksem> ficusplanet that doesnt work
[09:14] <bur[n] er> Bliksem: for .iso's?
[09:15] <Se7h> bur[n] er eroaster
[09:15] <nojo> gcc compiler isnt instaleld by default?
[09:15] <bur[n] er> eroaster eh... i'll check it out
[09:15] <Bliksem> I choose the drive, and clikc write and it comes up with "Reload rewritable or blank media. Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media."
[09:15] <stratos> quick&easy way.   cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA:(disk),0.0 to determine where your burner is.   cdrecord dev=ATA:(where your device was) iso.file
[09:15] <Se7h> bur[n] er its simple and user friendly
[09:16] <jasoni> Im on AMD64 how can I get dvd libcss installed?
[09:16] <bur[n] er> u need scsi emul stuff?
[09:16] <jasoni> I tried compiling it from source but totem still tells me it is missing
[09:17] <Solkaris> jasoni did you recomile totem to take advantage of it?
[09:17] <moyote> Trying to install ubuntu, but when I get to the retrieving bsdutils, the package fails and the base system doesn't get installed. Wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.
[09:18] <liran> lol i have funny problem in gaim (MSN)
[09:18] <Nonphasis> anyone know how to edit the "Computer" menu?
[09:18] <Se7h> bur[n] er no
[09:18] <liran> i see the incoming messages backwords
[09:18] <Se7h> geez
[09:18] <liran> like hello so i see it as olleh
[09:18] <Se7h> gcombust realy sucks
[09:18] <Se7h> lol
[09:18] <liran> can any one help?
[09:19] <nojo> hmm
[09:19] <nojo> im trying to recompile my kernel, but tis tell ing me it cant find gcc
[09:19] <jasoni> Solkaris: I tried re-installing the .deb will that work?
[09:19] <nojo> any suggestions?
[09:19] <ninkendo> nojo: apt-get install gcc
[09:19] <jasoni> Xine_gui also wont play dvds still
[09:19] <nojo> ninkendo: i thought it would be installed already?
[09:20] <ninkendo> nope
[09:20] <nojo> hmm thats odd
[09:20] <bur[n] er> wow... eroaster on unstable is soooooooo different from the screenshots :)
[09:20] <bur[n] er> it's gtk 2.4 stuff :)  impressive looking even
[09:20] <Solkaris> jasoni Im not sure but seems to me that the support needs to be compiled in .. so just reinstalling a .deb of a version that doesnt support it wouldnt really work
[09:20] <liran> i see the incoming messages backwords
[09:20] <Bliksem> jasoni: are you playing dvd disks? or rips?
[09:20] <bur[n] er> thanks Se7h
[09:20] <liran> like hello so i see it as olleh
[09:20] <ninkendo> you'll also probably want build-essential, make, libncurses5-dev, and whatever else you can think of
[09:20] <nojo> ninkendo: there are couple version though is this going to break something
[09:20] <ninkendo> nojo: nope
[09:20] <ninkendo> the latest is just fine for kernels
[09:21] <nojo> ok thanks il lgive it atry
[09:21] <jasoni> Bliksem I am play real store baught dvds
[09:22] <Se7h> bur[n] er np ;)
[09:22] <dmouritsendk> I'm thinking about installing ubuntu to check it out, I just need to verify one thing. Its possible to skip the "Install a bootloader"-step in the install procedure.. right? :)
[09:22] <jasoni> Would I need to recompile Xine as well with Totem since Totem is Xine based?
[09:24] <Solkaris> jasoni doh probably
[09:25] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: yes if i remeber right
[09:25] <ninkendo> jasoni: wait, you're recompiling xine because it won't play dvd's?
[09:25] <ninkendo> er, s/xine/totem/
[09:25] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, okay thanx =)
[09:25] <moyote> Sure wish I could get the base system to install from CD. :-)
[09:25] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: me i first wanted to install grub in /dev/hda10 it don't work then wanted to use lilo and it blowk at 75% of the process i gave up and reinstall ... ;-(
[09:26] <ninkendo> jasoni: do you have w32codecs installed?
[09:26] <Solkaris> ninkendo he is on amd64 and had o compile libdvdcss from source .. meaning totem and xine that he has do not take advantage of said new libdvdcss
[09:26] <ninkendo> ah
[09:26] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: and overwrite my mbr sight ;..
[09:26] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, daarn :(
[09:27] <ninkendo> not sure if libdvdcss really would give you that huge of an improvement if compiled for 64 bit, but...
[09:27] <moyote> Ohmer, well, thanks.
[09:28] <bur[n] er> Se7h: i just got a program error :\ is there an active eroaster dev community?
[09:28] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, i dont want to have it do anything. I have a functioning grub, which happily handles all the OS on my box. I just want to add a entry to that one, and use my shared /boot partition to hold the kernel image and stuff.
[09:29] <Se7h> bur[n] er what error ?
[09:30] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: can't help i have just isntalled ubuntu this morning ...
[09:31] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, you'd allready helped ;) as long as i can skip the bootloader install its no prob :)
[09:32] <solsTiCe> i wonder how i can reinstall grub but in /dev/hda10 so that my other bootloader laucnh grub in /dev/hda10
[09:32] <bur[n] er> about application.py
[09:32] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, whats the other bootloader?
[09:32] <bur[n] er> when i select my burner device
[09:32] <vdaro1> I'm looking for some help about French keyboard .... I'm using DELL Inspiron 8200 with french-fr keyboard. but This keyboard did'nt seems to exists in ubuntu .... I can't use the ^ caracter for example. Any help is appreciated
[09:33] <Se7h> bur[n] er restart the program
[09:33] <chz> hello
[09:33] <Se7h> and push only once the selected burner
[09:33] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: lilo
[09:33] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: the only pb is to install grub in /dev/hda10
[09:34] <bur[n] er> k
[09:34] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, just fire up grub and use root() and setup() to install it there ;)
[09:35] <kent> vdaro1, didn't you get to choose language/keyboards etc on installation?
[09:35] <chrismurf> hey - I just compiled a custom kernel, which fixed major sound issues, but now nvidia-glx is busted.
[09:35] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: ok
[09:35] <chrismurf> any wise words?
[09:35] <vdaro1> kent, Yes I've the french keyboard, but the spcial caracters are'nt well supported
[09:35] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, from a prompt just write "grub"
[09:36] <vdaro1> for example the word : tant^ot
[09:36] <vdaro1> the ^ must be up the 'o'
[09:36] <chz> can anybody suggest a good wireless app for my wireless connection?...i need to be able to switch often for my laptop...jumpin from school to home...its a pain havin to change and then reboot with the default ubuntu one...
[09:36] <Solkaris> later all
[09:36] <chrismurf> chz: waproamd is handy, provided you have broadcasting of SSID's on
[09:36] <dieman> yeah, im not too impressed with waproamd :|
[09:37] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, then write "root(hd#, #)", this is where the /boot partion is.. and then "setup(hd#,#)" to install grub on the partion you want
[09:37] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, grub have some tab completion to help you out, if you press tab after "root(hd" you should see your options
[09:38] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, same goes for the partion numbers
[09:38] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, but why exactly do you want two bootloaders?
[09:39] <chz> chrismurf:can i apply the ones i know instead of it trying to find it?...i know the access points i need to connect to...but i just havin issues resetting it when i get to that location...
[09:39] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: because i maybe delete ubuntu after trying it
[09:41] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, cant you just boot ubunto from your primary bootloader? (by skipping the install bootloader step in the install)
[09:41] <SmokingFire> Will ubuntu also evetually sponsor projects like redhat and mandrake do?
[09:41] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: yes i certainly can
[09:42] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, ooh sorry.. you told me already. it borked @ 75% or something :)
[09:43] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: no no it is not that ..
[09:43] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: i must reboot to do what you said ?
[09:44] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, huh? does grub tell you that you need to reboot?
[09:44] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: it says invalid device ...
[09:44] <kent> vdaro1,  ? ;)
[09:45] <nojo> Im getting an error saying can't find ncurses library cantb e found when compiling my kernel
[09:45] <solsTiCe> dmouritsendk: no sorry it says now Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2
[09:45] <nojo> but there seems to be ncurses installed any suggestions?
[09:46] <dmouritsendk> solsTiCe, okay. Then there's some version mismatch between the stage files in your /boot dir and the version of grub being runned, are you running grub from ubuntu or from your primary system?
[09:52] <nojo> ahh forget it i got it
[09:52] <nojo> lol
[09:52] <nojo> man why isnt nay of this stuff installed as default
[09:52] <punkass_> anyone have a usb microphone working on ubuntu?
[09:53] <deejoe_etrumeus> OK, /etc/ssh/ssh_config has StrictHostKeyChecking as "ask", yet when I try to ssh from the live CD, it says Host key verification failed.
[09:53] <deejoe_etrumeus> WTF?