[04:20] <Quinthius> zblach: hmm... actually... was "enable sound server" checked or unchecked by default when you just went to it?
[04:21] <zblach> it was enabled, but i had fiddled with it earlier
[04:21] <delp_> yeah, but when i do that in linux it says irc is not a registered protocol
[04:21] <nalioth> delp_: edit your protocol list
[04:22] <nalioth> delp_: (i dont know how, just that you can)
[04:22] <delp_> nalioth:  haha, thanks
[04:22] <Quinthius> zblach: well the two common combinations are: enable sound server + use ESD in media selector, or disable sound server + use ALSA in media selector
[04:22] <zblach> neither work for me
[04:23] <delp_> how do i edit my protocol list?
[04:23] <Quinthius> zblach: can you "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" ? (turn your speakers down a little, it will generate static noise)
[04:23] <nalioth> delp needs help editing his protocol handlers
[04:24] <zblach> Quinthius, bash: /dev/dsp: Permission Denied
[04:24] <poningru> !protocol handlers
[04:24] <ubotu> poningru: What?
[04:24] <zblach> even as sudo
[04:24] <poningru> your mom
[04:24] <poningru> !protocol
[04:24] <ubotu> poningru: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:24] <zblach> ubotu, tell poningru about your mom
[04:24] <Quinthius> zblach: ls -l /dev/dsp
[04:24] <delp_> i'm the one that needs help
[04:24] <Quinthius> zblach: and also do "id", make sure audio is listed
[04:25] <nalioth> delp_: patience
[04:25] <delp_> nalioth: i was just saying that so they would get the right name
[04:25] <h17m4n> what's the difference between winex and wine?
[04:25] <nalioth> delp_: they know
[04:25] <communico> hey, does anyone know if I have to install anything before I can mount my raid5? I'm reading about something called mdadm but I don't know if I need it with ubuntu or not
[04:25] <nalioth> h17m4n: -x costs money
[04:26] <Quinthius> zblach: it sounds like a permission problem. using sudo in front of the cat shouldn't work either, because the > would br redirecting the whole output of "sudo cat /dev/urandom" ...the sudo isn't affecting the write attempt to /dev/dsp
[04:26] <h17m4n> can't you get it as CVS free?
[04:26] <transgress_> how bad is breezy broken atm?
[04:26] <transgress_> was thinking about giving it a test
[04:27] <str8edge> i'm using breezy right now..
[04:27] <str8edge> sound is problematic..
[04:27] <str8edge> other than that its pretty good
[04:27] <nalioth> transgress_: same tune from me, dont use it on a production machine, but it's not too shabby
[04:27] <nfinitep1astik> anyone else having problems installing vlc through apt?
[04:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> I have a problem. Ubuntu isn't wanting to pick-up my iPod at all, even as a hard disk.
[04:29] <nfinitep1astik> i'll rephrase it....can anyone help me install vlc without apt?
[04:29] <BlueEagle> communico: You don't need mdadm. What you need is to load the raid drivers (md and raid5) which might be modules. If they are you can A: put them in /etc/modules or B: compile them into your kernel. I prefer the latter.
[04:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> nfinitep1astik: why do you need to do that?
[04:29] <elmo_> BlueEagle: I have set the hd to master. grub boots ok. but I am still getting the pivot_root and /sbin/init errors. Any ideas?
[04:29] <transgress_> nalioth: cool.  well this is for a laptop to toy with.  so if it is actually running and not crashing every 5 minutes it's cool
[04:29] <transgress_> it's due out like next month isn't it?
[04:29] <nfinitep1astik> apparently, apt doesn't have the package for vlc anymore when i try to install it
[04:30] <cafuego> !info vlc
[04:30] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[04:30] <_kurt> good day!
[04:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> Maybe your repositories aren't set right?
[04:30] <cafuego> Enable 'universe'.
[04:30] <l_> If i paste the eoors on pasta site I am getting when trying to compile alsa will someone have a look at it?
[04:30] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego: but it doesn't install... =/
[04:31] <cafuego> nfinitep1astik: Any useful error messages you care to share or don't you want help? ;-)
[04:31] <nalioth> transgress_: preview release one is rumored to come very soon
[04:31] <nalioth> transgress_: final release oct 13 or thereabouts
[04:31] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego:  one sec
[04:31] <transgress_> cool
[04:31] <BlueEagle> elmo_: No, not really, sorry. I've never had that problem with any distro and certainly not with ubuntu. :)
[04:32] <cafuego> nalioth: I told volvoguy to ask you about hfs+ and parted
[04:32] <communico> BlueEagle: thanks! what command would I use to compile them into the kernel?
[04:32] <elmo_> BlueEagle; Thanks for the help nonthe less.
[04:32] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego:  says that it cant find the package
[04:33] <nalioth> cafuego: is it your day off?
[04:33] <elmo_> Can anyone give me any ideas on were I can get help on a boot error involving pivot_root?
[04:33] <cafuego> nfinitep1astik: Did you previously have it installed on that machine?
[04:33] <cafuego> nalioth: I wish. I'm looking for things to kick.
[04:33] <nalioth> cafuego: pillows
[04:33] <cafuego> nalioth: No, they would need to actually be destroyed
[04:34] <BlueEagle> communico: install the kernel-sources of your kernel, cd /usr/src/linux and make menuconfig there. Setup your kernel with that tool and compile with make && make modules_install then copy arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/custokernel-2.6.11 and edit /boot/grub/grub.conf to have an option for that kernel.
[04:34] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego: i had it installed on my non-ppc machine
[04:34] <cafuego> nfinitep1astik: And now on PPC it won't install? yes, probably there is ni PPC vlc, because the codecs it uses are mainly x86 code.
[04:34] <cafuego> nalioth: speak of teh devil :-)
[04:35] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego: good point.....i guess there wouldn't be an alternative?
[04:35] <volvoguy> what'd you call me? ;)
[04:35] <cafuego> nfinitep1astik: *maybe* mplayer
[04:35] <Artxe> could someone help me with installing LimeWIre?
[04:35] <cafuego> volvoguy: I told nalioth about that email not 5 minutes ago :-)
[04:35] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego:  thanks. ^.^d
[04:35] <matthew_w> Where do I find the folder XFREE86... or rather the config file associated therewith?
[04:35] <elmo_> can anyone suggest who or were I can get help on a boot error "pivot_root:no such file or directory"?
[04:36] <str8edge> elmo_: pivot root usually means that the drive identifiers in /etc/fstab are incorrect. are you using sata?
[04:36] <volvoguy> so nalioth, is there anything special i need to do to resize an hfs+ partition during install?
[04:36] <cafuego> nfinitep1astik: it will (again) not support most of the win32 codecs like realvideo  and avi stuff.
[04:36] <Artxe> could someone help me with a java problem with LimeWire?
[04:36] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego: totem wont be flexible....will it?
[04:36] <elmo_> strBedge: I am noob, what is sata?
[04:37] <cafuego> nfinitep1astik: Dunno, I'm just happy I have DivX working in QT7 on OSX now.
[04:37] <nalioth> volvoguy: please preface your msgs with the nick first (otw, it doesnt trigger the bell)
[04:37] <nfinitep1astik> cafuego: lol....good watchin then =D
[04:37] <communico> BlueEagle: there's no linux folder in my /usr/src/ dir, just an rpm dir
[04:38] <nalioth> volvoguy: new-world-mac?
[04:38] <volvoguy> nalioth, sorry. didn't know that. i seem to get triggered whenever my nick is in a sentence.
[04:38] <RichardC> the Point2Play installer said the OSS and ALSA tests failed.  Anyone know how i can fix this?  Do I need to install a package or two?
[04:38] <volvoguy> nalioth, G4 iBook.
[04:38] <str8edge> elmo_: Serial ATA
[04:38] <nalioth> volvoguy: are you familiar with parted?
[04:38] <volvoguy> nalioth, fairly.
[04:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> Does anybody here use xine?
[04:39] <Artxe> Would anyone here be able to help me with LimeWire?
[04:39] <volvoguy> nalioth, that's not on the install disk though, is it?
[04:39] <nalioth> volvoguy: the only 'trick' is gonna be: as soon as the installer boots completely to the start, you'll need to ctrl-alt-f2 to a new terminal to use parted
[04:40] <nfinitep1astik> volvoguy:  dont mean to jump in on ya but did you say you used a ibook g4?
[04:40] <nalioth> volvoguy: the other option is to use a ppc livecd and run qt- or g- parted
[04:40] <h17m4n> All of this to install wine? :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[04:40] <volvoguy> nalioth, ahh. ok.
[04:40] <nalioth> nfinitep1astik: lots of us use macs here
[04:40] <volvoguy> nfinitep1astik, yep. i have an ibook.
[04:40] <h17m4n> !wine
[04:40] <h17m4n> wish me luck people
[04:40] <Artxe> Could someone help me with a java problem?
[04:41] <BlueEagle> communico: Did you install kernel sources?
[04:41] <nalioth> Artxe: ask us and see
[04:41] <nfinitep1astik> whats a good media player to use since i've never run ubuntu on ppc
[04:41] <h17m4n> here I go into a few hours of apt-gets and stuff
[04:41] <volvoguy> nfinitep1astik, i don't use it much for linux because the last i checked, airport extreme cards still weren't supported.
[04:41] <nalioth> nfinitep1astik: there are many, use them all and keep what you like
[04:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> Does anybody here use xine?...anybody?
[04:41] <BlueEagle> communico: They go there by default, however I am not sure if ubuntu puts them somwhere else as I haven't rolled a kernel in ububtu yet. :)
[04:41] <nalioth> volvoguy: supported wifi dongles are cheap
[04:41] <h17m4n> Before I go into installation
[04:42] <nfinitep1astik> nalioth: that's where i run into a problem where i cant install vlc from apt. =/
[04:42] <cafuego> volvoguy: I doubt they'll EVER be supported unless someone does an ndiswrapepr for OSX drivers. (Which, considering they're freebsd, shouldn't be THAT hard)
[04:42] <volvoguy> nalioth, the only one i've seen confirmed to work was some Dlink thing, and only a particular version of it. are there more now?
[04:42] <h17m4n> Question: Should I install Wine on the original distro(AMD64) or should I install it in chroot?
[04:42] <cafuego> h17m4n: In a chroot.
[04:42] <Artxe> I have installed LimeWire and it needs Java so I downloaded the latest version of Java and unpacked it and I now have the j2sdk1.4.2_09 file. Well LimeWire looks for Java in the /usr folder so I put j2sdk1.4.2_09 in there and when I "sh ./runeLime.sh" it says it can't find Java.
[04:42] <communico> BlueEagle: sorry I'm a real noob. how do you install the kernel sources?
[04:42] <h17m4n> cafuego, thx man... so I should run dchroot -d before starting right?
[04:43] <nalioth> volvoguy: prism54.org i believe
[04:43] <cafuego> Artxe: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:43] <Artxe> OK thank you
[04:43] <nalioth> nfinitep1astik: what problem is that particularly?
[04:43] <volvoguy> nalioth, cool. thanks. i'm off to download a colony4 ppc disc. :)
[04:43] <nalioth> volvoguy: dont do that
[04:43] <nfinitep1astik> nalioth: apt says that it cant find the package =/
[04:43] <cafuego> h17m4n: You can run dchroot -q -d /path/to/wine "C:\\\Program Files\\\Appdir\\\App.exe"
[04:43] <nalioth> !tell nfinitep1astik about sources
[04:43] <volvoguy> nalioth, i'm a laptop tester. i'm my job. :o)
[04:43] <cafuego> h17m4n: Note the triple backslash.
[04:44] <nalioth> volvoguy: get a hoary cd, the installer is broken for ppc (when i last looked)
[04:44] <h17m4n> cafuego: but that's after I install wine in chroot right?
[04:44] <volvoguy> nalioth, ok. maybe i'll start with hoary and upgrade. it's the breezy stuff the devs are most concerned about these days.
[04:45] <nalioth> volvoguy: i have colony-4+2 (daily) and the installer is hosed for ppc
[04:45] <cafuego> h17m4n: indeed
[04:45] <h17m4n> cafuego: thx! now let me get to work :)
[04:45] <steeev> cool - i got my mpeg4 playing in vlc
[04:46] <steeev> god knows how
[04:46] <elmo_> strBedge: the hd is an ide. I feel like I am sinking here. I am not sure on serial ata. my bios shows that the hd is the master ata listed device
[04:46] <volvoguy> nalioth, ok. i'll install hoary first and report on the experience, then try breezy. i don't mind a non-functioning breezy install attempt if it helps wrinkle out the bugs.
[04:46] <steeev> reading wiki helped:)
[04:46] <nalioth> steeev: must be the clean living
[04:46] <nalioth> volvoguy: the bug is known and has been reported several times
[04:46] <nalioth> volvoguy: either way, knock yourself out
[04:46] <volvoguy> nalioth, ok.
[04:47] <steeev> i have progressed from vegetable to protozoa
[04:47] <volvoguy> nalioth, thanks. :) it'll be for the benefit of mankind. last time i looked on the laptop testing pages, there weren't any recent ibook testers.
[04:47] <nfinitep1astik> nalioth: thanks j0
[04:48] <khermans> is there a DEVEL channel?
[04:48] <nalioth> nfinitep1astik: np
[04:48] <cafuego> yes
[04:49] <khermans> what is the devel chan?
[04:49] <elmo_> strBedge:there?
[04:49] <seroshiki> where is sources.list located again?
[04:49] <khermans> seroshiki, /etc/apt
[04:50] <Madpilot> khermans: ubuntu-devel
[04:50] <CarlFK>  /etc/apt
[04:50] <BlueEagle> communico: sudo synaptic and have a look there. :)
[04:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell seroshiki about sources
[04:50] <khermans> ahh i tried ubuntu-del
[04:50] <seroshiki> thank you
[04:50] <khermans> ahh i tried ubuntu-dev
[04:50] <patrickj> hey Im in the live cd and I need to burn some music off my window partition because I dont know how to restore my windows install because it is messed
[04:50] <khermans> patrickj, gnome cd burner
[04:51] <elmo_> I am look for help on a boot error "pivot_boot:no such file or directory'? takers?
[04:52] <patrickj> is it built into the cd drive, or is there a safe way to restore my XP install without losing my apps and st00f?
[04:52] <BlueEagle> patrickj: how did you mess it up?
[04:52] <khermans> patrickj, yeah if there data is there it shuld be recoverable
[04:52] <patrickj> installing Ubuntu dual boot, I have a 160Gb HD and I tore a 40Gb chunk out for it
[04:52] <BlueEagle> patrickj: And don't try to fool us, we know it's your collection of g0at pr0n you want to save. :)
[04:52] <patrickj> well I have some personal files that I need to burn
[04:53] <patrickj> lol no its all the err Legal music i downloaded
[04:53] <BlueEagle> patrickj: :)
[04:53] <BlueEagle> patrickj: If you say so. *rolls eyes*
[04:53] <Milk_> good evenin!!
[04:53] <Milk_> anyone here ever tryied to use gnomad?
[04:54] <khermans> patrickj, nautilus-cd-burner
[04:54] <patrickj> anyways the cd burner isnt on the livecd, can I install stuff in it
[04:54] <patrickj> ?
[04:54] <gusto5> hi
[04:54] <gusto5> im installing vmware
[04:54] <khermans> Milk_, yes, it is okay
[04:54] <BlueEagle> patrickj: How did you mess you your windows installation?
[04:54] <gusto5> im getting this
[04:54] <gusto5> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory.
[04:54] <gusto5> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[04:54] <gusto5> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[04:54] <boygeorge1196> #list
[04:54] <Madpilot> patrickj: for most data, Nautilus - the file manager - will burn CDs
[04:54] <patrickj> okay cool :d
[04:54] <BlueEagle> patrickj: I would attempt to fix it before starting to try to burn stuff off the install cd. Either that or get a knoppix disc going. :)
[04:54] <patrickj> thanks
[04:54] <patrickj> im on the Ubuntu live cd....
[04:55] <patrickj> how can I fix it, is there someone who can help me
[04:55] <patrickj> ?
[04:55] <nalioth> patrickj has no spare burning drive
[04:55] <boygeorge1196> i'm using ubuntu
[04:55] <patrickj> I have 2 cd burners
[04:55] <BlueEagle> patrickj: Well, I cannot help you fix it unless you tell me how you broke it.
[04:55] <Milk_> khermans, did you have any troubles getting it to work?
[04:55] <patrickj> i dont know how
[04:55] <khermans> Milk_, it is a bit flaky and inefficient
[04:55] <patrickj> but it gets to login screen and goes to my blank coloured wallpaper and does nothing
[04:55] <khermans> Milk_, but if you know its quiks, you will be fine
[04:55] <Milk_> khermans, got any better solutions?
[04:55] <patrickj> and I was just install freebsd, but i needed some help with my ubuntu and windows fixing :/
[04:56] <khermans> Milk_, not really, the stupid Zen crap is not a standard mountable FS
[04:56] <BlueEagle> patrickj: Well, I cannot help you fix it unless you tell me how you broke it.
[04:56] <khermans> like the iPod
[04:56] <gusto5> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory.
[04:56] <gusto5> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[04:56] <gusto5> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[04:56] <Milk_> khermans, I can't seem to get it to connect at all
[04:56] <khermans> Milk_, just follow the online guide at gnomad's site
[04:56] <patrickj> BlueEagle: I just resized the partition down by 40gb with PM8, then installed FBSD and went to boot into windows and it didnt1
[04:57] <Milk_> did you install from source.. or from apt?
[04:57] <BlueEagle> patrickj: I see. Have you got ubuntu installed?
[04:57] <communico> BlueEagle: okay, I'm there ... is there something in the list in particular I should be installing? I found an entry linux-kernel-headers, but no sources
[04:57] <patrickj> and I tried to resize the HD fully in PM8 and it gave me an error "Drive dismounted improperly"
[04:57] <patrickj> im on the ubuntu live cd
[04:57] <khermans> Milk_, i think i tried both ways
[04:57] <BlueEagle> communico: Well, you need the sources. Let me see if I can find them for you.
[04:57] <khermans> Milk_, the one in apt is a bit outdated i think -- bu it worked for me i think
[04:58] <Milk_> khermans, I've installed all the packages from apt, but it won't connect to my zen usb
[04:58] <khermans> Milk_, you know that i might have compiled this one from source or specified to grab it from debian unstable repos
[04:58] <Milk_> kermans, I think I need to setup the hotplug stuff, but I can't find the nomad.usermap file
[04:58] <patrickj> if I burn a cd with nautlius using drag and drop, will windows be able to read it too?
[04:58] <khermans> Milk_, try to get 2.8+, 2.6.3 is old
[04:58] <sn0n> patrickj, of course
[04:59] <bimberi> patrickj: yes
[04:59] <patrickj> alright, ill just back my st00f up then, cyaz :p
[04:59] <communico> BlueEagle: much appreciated
[04:59] <BlueEagle> communico: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11
[04:59] <Milk_> 2.8+ kernel?
[04:59] <BlueEagle> communico: If you haven't got it you might need to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:59] <khermans> Milk_, no versionof gnomad
[04:59] <BlueEagle> (different kind of sources that) :)
[04:59] <Milk_> what is the debian unstable repos?
[04:59] <khermans> Milk_, http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/?
[05:00] <Milk_> let me try it
[05:00] <elmo_> Is there any way to access a install of ubuntu on a hd without booting it directly? can I boot from live cd or other had and read the damaged hd to fix the errors?
[05:00] <khermans> Milk_, http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/?section=article
[05:00] <BlueEagle> elmo_: Yes.
[05:01] <khermans> ElBarono, boot knoppix or something
[05:01] <khermans> doh @ elmo_
[05:01] <mik3> what are some other free fun games
[05:01] <BlueEagle> boot from a livecd. Make /ubuntu then mount /dev/yourdisk /ubuntu for all the disks/partitions you've got ubuntu installed on then chroot /ubunty /bin/bash
[05:01] <mik3> besides doom
[05:01] <mik3> lxdoom sucks, sound won't work
[05:01] <khermans> Milk_, if you go from source -- grab the dependps first
[05:01] <BlueEagle> mik3: Running with esd?
[05:01] <elmo_> BlueEagle: How? I tried with live cd and could not find the path to hd? hey khermans I am a noob and not very proficient with this linux stuff!
[05:01] <mik3> BlueEagle: esd?
[05:02] <Milk_> I already installed the newest of the lib
[05:02] <khermans> elmo_, you need to mount your windows partition right?
[05:02] <BlueEagle> elmo_: as root fdisk -l (that will list all harddisks found)
[05:02] <BlueEagle> elmo_: If it isn't listed there then tell me what kind of disk you're using.
[05:02] <BlueEagle> elmo_: ...well you can tell me about your disk anyways.
[05:02] <aru> tell me about your disk...
[05:03] <khermans> elmo_, type "mount -t ntfs -o ro,users,umask=0222 /dev/hda1 /mnt/foo"
[05:03] <BlueEagle> mik3: enlightnment sound daemon (or something else starting with e)
[05:03] <BlueEagle> mik3: It's gnomes way of handling sound.  Supposed to be use on a tv screen.
[05:04] <aru> oh
[05:04] <nalioth> fangorious: not much else to do with the livecd
[05:05] <cyphase> i almost lost my server
[05:05] <fangorious> nalioth, bummer. thanks anyway
[05:05] <cyphase> at least i thought i almost did
[05:05] <mik3> esd is already installed =/ what are some other fun games
[05:05] <h0sl3r> khermans: no not for recording tv. just for watching movies on my tv through computer. I dont have mouse or anything so I dont want to have to click around to get a movie playing.
[05:05] <cyphase> it sure looked like someone had gotten in
[05:05] <BlueEagle> mik3: I know it is installed. Just because it is installed doesn't mean you have to use it. :)
[05:05] <cyphase> and done a rm -rf /
[05:05] <khermans> h0sl3r, oh just use vlc
[05:06] <khermans> h0sl3r, or mplayer or xine or totem
[05:06] <elmo_> kherman: the hd is ubuntu, giving me a boot error: "pivot_root:no such file or directory" and "/sbig/init:428:cannot open dev/console:no such fle"
[05:06] <BlueEagle> mik3: system->preferences->sound uncheck "enable sound server at startup"
[05:06] <mik3> BlueEagle: ok well, if it's installed then why is doom being a nimrod
[05:06] <mik3> oh
[05:06] <mik3> why not enable it?
[05:06] <mik3> i like sound
[05:06] <mik3> =D
[05:06] <mik3> it's like music to my ears
[05:06] <mik3> LOLOLOMFG!
[05:06] <BlueEagle> mik3: System->Preferences->Multimedia selector  Choose alsa instead of ESD
[05:06] <khermans> elmo_, what is happening??
[05:06] <mik3> ok
[05:07] <Milk_> ok... building from source
[05:07] <BlueEagle> mik3: Will probably disable the annoying beeps and burps gnome makes when you open or close a window but I consider that an added bonus. :)
[05:07] <mik3> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[05:07] <mik3> wkakakaka
[05:08] <BlueEagle> mik3: You might need to restart gnome.
[05:08] <Quinthius> mik3: did you make sure to uncheck sound server first?
[05:08] <mik3> =/
[05:08] <mik3> no
[05:08] <mik3> hehe

[05:08] <Quinthius> mik3: do that first
[05:08] <BlueEagle> mik3: You didn't uncheck sound server? o.O
[05:08] <BlueEagle> do as I tell you already! :)
[05:08] <Quinthius> "sound server" = esd ... which while running will mess up alsa :P
[05:09] <mik3> so uh esd is no good eh? but my music will still play?
[05:09] <nalioth> BlueEagle: easy there
[05:09] <BlueEagle> nalioth: ;D
[05:09] <mik3> nalioth: no he's right, i was being difficult
[05:10] <mik3> still didn't work, the rascal!
[05:10] <mik3> so does this mean no mp3 for me? =/
[05:10] <BlueEagle> mik3: Music will still play, however you might need to add support for restricted media like mp3 and other licensed codecs.
[05:10] <BlueEagle> lisences*
[05:10] <elmo_> grub boots, finds kernel, kernel starts, ubuntu starts, but stops giving errors that I gave you in last post.
[05:10] <mik3> or i could just run bmp, and confirm that mp3's do indeed still play.
[05:10] <mik3> which means my bukkake does too.
[05:11] <mik3> i mean
[05:11] <mik3> my anime
[05:11] <khermans> elmo_, what is your goal?
[05:11] <BlueEagle> by "ubuntu starts" does the X-server start or init start?
[05:11] <mik3> so will i have to restart gnome?
[05:11] <elmo_> It just says ubuntu start. then the errors
[05:12] <Milk_> THERE IT GOES!!
[05:12] <dabaR> hi./
[05:12] <Quinthius> mik3: shouldnt have to, those options should take effect right away
[05:12] <BlueEagle> mik3: You might need to restart gnome after disabling the sound server, yes.
[05:12] <elmo_> khermans: goal: for the hd to boot ubuntu, as it has been for the last week, no problems.
[05:12] <BlueEagle> mik3: But as quinthius sais you shouldn't have to but knowing esd (evil sound daemon) you might need to.
[05:12] <Quinthius> hehe
[05:12] <mik3> doom reminds me of the old days, i call them the dark ages, lets move on. what are some other fun games
[05:12] <khermans> elmo_, on x86 or amd64?
[05:13] <elmo_> khermans:x86
[05:13] <Quinthius> mik3: neverball
[05:13] <mik3> en route, over.
[05:13] <SomebodyS> Hey can someone help me quick?
[05:13] <volvoguy> nalioth, i know there's no defrag directly in OS X. do i need to do anything special before i attempt this partition resize?
[05:13] <khermans> elmo_, look in /var/log/messages
[05:13] <SomebodyS> Ive just installed, but ran into some errors...
[05:13] <nalioth> volvoguy: measure twice, cut once
[05:13] <BlueEagle> somebodys: If you told us which errors that might be helpful...
[05:14] <nalioth> volvoguy: i did it on my imac the other day, w/o any trouble
[05:14] <SomebodyS> now after I boot into ubuntu I end up at brian@ubunto
[05:14] <BlueEagle> in the text mode console?
[05:14] <SomebodyS> I dont even get to the GUI
[05:14] <volvoguy> nalioth, hehe. :) the bootloader stuff is taken care of automatically?
[05:14] <mik3> what's neverball about
[05:14] <BlueEagle> somebodys: login with the username and password you specified then try typing startx
[05:14] <dabaR> SomebodyS: this is likely due to your graphics card. What is the brand?
[05:14] <nalioth> volvoguy: oh you want MORE info? lol
[05:15] <mik3> it sure is a biggun!
[05:15] <mik3> on dialup
[05:15] <SomebodyS> how can I get the the GUI
[05:15] <SomebodyS> I did
[05:15] <D1> how do I reconfigure my network with ubuntu?
[05:15] <mik3> aol dialup
[05:15] <volvoguy> nalioth, with a gig of ram, do you think 500Mb of swap is sufficient?
[05:15] <D1> like the ncurses dialogs I got during install?
[05:15] <BlueEagle> somebodys: Did the x-server give you an error message?
[05:15] <SomebodyS> Im logged in and it takes me to the command prompt
[05:15] <Milk_> khermans, I got it to connect, but it crashed, now its not working, any ideas?
[05:15] <elmo_> khermans:I am currently booting the system with live cd. once it has booted. then I will attempt to look at the hds contents, if possible. Any specific directions for this process?
[05:15] <volvoguy> yeah. i'm sure an apple channel will love helping me install linux. thx.
[05:16] <SomebodyS> I dont think I had any x-server errors, but When I was installing I had buffer errors
[05:16] <dabaR> SomebodyS: how about an answer for me?
[05:16] <khermans> Milk_, hrmm what crashed?
[05:16] <D1> anyone?
[05:16] <BlueEagle> somebodys: Well what happend when you typed startx on the commandline?
[05:16] <khermans> Milk_, give it time -- it might be doing stuff
[05:16] <Milk_> khermans gnomad
[05:16] <mik3> dude what's neverball about
[05:16] <thoreauputic> volvoguy: unless you plan video editing or similar, 500MB swap is ample
[05:16] <SomebodyS> oh.. lets see, older computer the graphics card is a Nvidia 4200
[05:16] <SomebodyS> lemme try
[05:17] <Quinthius> mik3: http://icculus.org/neverball/
[05:17] <volvoguy> thoreauputic, thank you.
[05:17] <BlueEagle> dabar: I use auto completion.
[05:17] <thoreauputic> np
[05:17] <SomebodyS> hmm I get errors on startx
[05:17] <SomebodyS> gonna type error up 1 sec
[05:17] <dabaR> SomebodyS: off course. Did you get the link from ubotu?
[05:18] <BlueEagle> dabar: completion_nicks_lowercase = ON
[05:18] <SomebodyS> hmm do I need to be connected to the net for startx? lol just remembered computer Im trying on doesnt have access to the net
[05:19] <BlueEagle> somebodys: No you do not.
[05:19] <dabaR> BlueEagle: usually when after an install there is no X started, it is a graphics card issue, I find.
[05:19] <khermans> Milk_, let it go -- if it seems broken -- make sure its not an old version
[05:19] <BlueEagle> somebodys: startx simply attempts to start the x-server.
[05:19] <dabaR> BlueEagle: why does it have no access to the net?
[05:19] <khermans> elmo_, i am still very confused
[05:19] <bur[n] er> SomebodyS: startx has nothing to do with net
[05:19] <dabaR> sorry, SomebodyS whyu is it not connected to the net?
[05:19] <khermans> elmo_, if you want to access your linux partition, just boot knoppix and mount it
[05:19] <BlueEagle> dabar: I don't know. Ask somebodys. :)
[05:19] <SomebodyS> well the error says linXau.so.6 cannont open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:19] <Milk_> khermans, Its now saying no jukebox found
[05:20] <dabaR> SomebodyS: you need to set up the nvidia driver, and the link that ubotu sent you will do this.
[05:20] <dabaR> SomebodyS: now, did you get the link from ubotu?
[05:20] <khermans> Milk_, google it
[05:20] <bur[n] er> !tell SomebodyS about nvidia
[05:20] <khermans> Milk_, ahh did you read the HOWTO setup guide?
[05:20] <SomebodyS> yep
[05:20] <SomebodyS> I got link
[05:20] <SomebodyS> thanks
[05:20] <Milk_> khermans, yes
[05:20] <dabaR> D1: what, for pppoe?
[05:20] <khermans> Milk_, added the USB id?
[05:20] <D1> just regular ethernet
[05:20] <Quinthius> SomebodyS: looks like that is a typo, should be lib, not lin
[05:21] <BlueEagle> dabar: It seems that linxau.so.6 isn't a graphics issue to me. What do you think?
[05:21] <khermans> Milk_, what version you running?
[05:21] <Quinthius> SomebodyS: or was that your typo?
[05:21] <Milk_> 2.5.0
[05:21] <Milk_> it recongised it once
[05:21] <dabaR> D1: there is no such thing. regular ethernet. What is your ISP?
[05:21] <SomebodyS> its lib
[05:21] <SomebodyS> typo
[05:21] <Quinthius> ah okie
[05:21] <khermans> Milk_, that version is way too old
[05:21] <D1> its the thing where it asks for a hostname/dhcp/etc
[05:21] <dabaR> D1: and, also, do you use a router? and if not, tell us about the model of your network device.
[05:22] <khermans> Milk_, get 2.8.1 if you can
[05:22] <dabaR> D1: I cant help you if you dont wanna help yourself.
[05:22] <Milk_> I tried compiling from source and had problems with the install
[05:22] <khermans> Milk_, what was the error/
[05:22] <Milk_> khermans, let me try again
[05:22] <khermans> Milk_, during ./configure?
[05:22] <D1> my setup is fine, this is for a friend. hes trying to figure out a way to configure his wifi card permanently
[05:22] <SomebodyS> well now that I think of it I dont think it is a display driver problem.... Im ran into the sam prob on my other computer
[05:22] <D1> so I need some sort of netconfig to do it
[05:22] <SomebodyS> and the graphics card is ATI
[05:22] <khermans> Milk_, you need the dependency libs first as well
[05:23] <SomebodyS> could the CD be bad that I burnt?
[05:23] <BlueEagle> somebodys: Did you check the md5sum of the CD?
[05:23] <SomebodyS> nope
[05:23] <Milk_> I should have them..
[05:23] <BlueEagle> somebodys: Well that might be a good idea.
[05:23] <BlueEagle> :)
[05:23] <kalias> nickrud: Hi!  how is life?
[05:23] <Mr_You> is it possible to switch desktops with key strokes in GNOME?
[05:23] <khermans> Milk_, it might need newer libs
[05:23] <bytefoo> f1-f4
[05:23] <nickrud> kalias, interesting as in ... :)
[05:24] <khermans> Milk_, just tell me the compilation errors
[05:24] <dabaR> D1: Mr_You yes.
[05:24] <Milk_> heres the error
[05:24] <khermans> Milk_, priv them
[05:24] <dabaR> D1: nm.
[05:24] <dabaR> Mr_You: yes.
[05:24] <BlueEagle> somebodys: try to md5sum the .iso you downloaded and compare to the published md5-sum.
[05:24] <Milk_> configure: error: Library requirements (        glib-2.0                    gthread-2.0                 gtk+-2.0                    libgnomeui-2.0         libnjb) not met
[05:24] <kalias> nickrud:  Are you keeping busy and out of trouble ;)
[05:24] <BlueEagle> mr_you: Yes.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Mr_You: ctrl-alt- arrow I think
[05:24] <SomebodyS> so assuming that there is no hardware problems with my computer the cd should install and when its done I should boot the Ubuntu in the GUI interface?
[05:24] <khermans> Milk_, ok you need the devel versions of these libs
[05:24] <lemur> Is this the official irc chan for ubuntu?
[05:24] <Mr_You> thank you very much
[05:24] <SomebodyS> gonna check md5sum
[05:25] <thoreauputic> lemur: yes
[05:25] <nickrud> kalias, currently my life is nearly nothing but trouble, so I am keeping very busy
[05:25] <Milk_> khermans, will apt work for that?
[05:25] <khermans> Milk_, aptitude search glib | grep -i devel
[05:25] <BlueEagle> mr_you: ..or you can do as I have done. apt-get install 3ddesk and apt-get install keylauncher and set keylauncher to use ctrl+alt+rigth to run 3ddesk --nozoom --gotoright
[05:25] <lemur> thoreauputic: I'm happy to be hear.  I haven't tried the distro yet, but I'm scouting.  It's next on my list.
[05:25] <elmo_> khermans: I really appreciate your help. I tried to add a hd to my ubuntu system. I just pluged it into the serial cable. I did nothing with the hd jumpers on either hd0 or the 2nd hd. the system would not boot at all. so I took off the 2nd hd and left my original hd0 on the system. hd0 has ubuntu installed and has been workign fine untill now. Now the errors loading ubuntu. I already gave the errors to you. I am at a loss as well.is knoppix a
[05:25] <elmo_> lite linux i can download? can I mount the hd from the live ubuntu? I already have that running
[05:25] <BlueEagle> mr_you: and the left arrow to --gotoleft :)
[05:25] <lemur> *here
[05:25] <kalias> nickrud: that keeps life interesting :)  Hey, do you know anything about the serial modules that run serial ports?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> lemur: well, welcome :)
[05:25] <BlueEagle> mr_you: It gives you added niceness points with the laddies. :)
[05:25] <matthew_w> I'm wondering something about my system configuration.  Every app I run that's processor or video intensive runs like a SLUG, even when I have 5-7 times the "system requirements"... any ideas why this might be?
[05:26] <lemur> there is a livecd, correct?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> lemur: correct
[05:26] <nickrud> kalias, a bit
[05:26] <lemur> :)
[05:26] <nickrud> what's the question ;)
[05:26] <khermans> elmo_, yeah you should be able to
[05:26] <kalias> nickrud: Well if I do a modprobe serial  I get Fatal: serial module not found.
[05:26] <elmo_> khermans: how?
[05:27] <khermans> elmo_, is it ext3 ?
[05:27] <Milk_> khermans, I did that and installed all listed
[05:27] <Milk_> still same config error
[05:27] <thoreauputic> !tell lemur about download
[05:27] <elmo_> khermans: yes
[05:27] <khermans> Milk_, only need to install the libglib2.0-dev
[05:27] <matthew_w> Basically it's just things that run extensive video like fames
[05:27] <matthew_w> games*
[05:27] <BlueEagle> elmo_: mkdir /ubuntu && mount /dev/hdX /ubuntu && chroot /ubuntu /bin/bash
[05:27] <Milk_> khermans, it says its installed
[05:27] <KanRiNiN> so, I downloaded the ATI driver installer, ran it, and then rebooted, and when I did fglrxinfo, it's still mesa...help please
[05:27] <KanRiNiN> forums haven't worked
[05:27] <lemur> What does ubuntu have to offer for the debian user?
[05:27] <khermans> Milk_, glib2 error should go away
[05:28] <khermans> Milk_, now find the others
[05:28] <Milk_> its not
[05:28] <BlueEagle> elmo_: Might need to change X to the partition number and if you have got other partitions you might need to mount them on the appropriate places in the /ubuntu tree.
[05:28] <thoreauputic> lemur 6 monthly releases
[05:28] <thoreauputic> lemur: and virtually th e same number of packages
[05:28] <bimberi> lemur: a marginally less grumpy support channel :)
[05:29] <thoreauputic> lemur: plu generally easier setup
[05:29] <kalias> nickrud: Aren't the serial drivers supposed to get loaded automatically by the kernel?
[05:29] <BlueEagle> bimberi: But for how long? :p
[05:29] <nickrud> kalias, after refreshing my memory ;) there's a bunch of serial modules, for different uses, none called serial
[05:29] <thoreauputic> *plus
[05:29] <koneng> im having a problem running Ethereal. It asks for my root password, i enter the password for my acccount and it doesn't work.  do i need to create a root password to be able to run this program?
[05:29] <matthew_w> bimberi;  not grumpy - elitist.  lol
[05:29] <a-l-p-h-a> Anyone know how to mount a SATA software raid0 NTFS drive?
[05:29] <matthew_w> "So, I'm actually not using debian but..."   *kick'd*
[05:29] <lemur> bimberi: I am discovering this as we speak.
[05:29] <thoreauputic> koneng: try running " sudo ethereal "
[05:30] <BlueEagle> koneng: If it asks for a root password (a flaw if you're running it with sudo) then you need a root password to provide it.
[05:30] <matthew_w> lemur; for the love of God don't mention anything about any OS but Debian in #Debian.
[05:30] <thoreauputic> koneng: or gksudo ethereal
[05:30] <koneng> thoreauputic, you're a genius ;) that worked, thanks
[05:30] <thoreauputic> koneng: :)
[05:30] <thoreauputic> yw
[05:30] <khermans> Milk_, aptitude install libgnomeui-dev libgtk-dev libnjb-dev
[05:30] <kalias> nickrud: okay, here is the problem that I have.  I am trying to run a program called brickos.  It talks to an infrared device over the serial port.  However, I can't seem to make the serial port go.  I chatted to another fellow last night and he figure it might be a serial module problem.
[05:30] <nalioth> thoreauputic: you taking your smart pills today?
[05:30] <bimberi> matthew_w: he just did :)
[05:31] <thoreauputic> nalioth: heheh
[05:31] <lemur> Well, it's the community that's starting to win me over.
[05:31] <thoreauputic> nalioth: at least I've had some sleep ;)
[05:31] <Kyral> !topic
[05:31] <BlueEagle> lemur: I should keep my mouth shut then? :)
[05:31] <khermans> Milk_, anytime there is a configure error -- it usually means that you dont have the dev headers installed
[05:31] <Milk_> ok
[05:32] <khermans> Milk_, did you lessen the errors after installing that stuff?
[05:32] <Milk_> I'm installing it now
[05:32] <thoreauputic> Kyral: try  /topic  ;)
[05:32] <lemur> BlueEagle: Please do. :)
[05:32] <nickrud> kalias, ah, good, I don't know a thing about infrared, or brickos :)
[05:32] <BlueEagle> hmmm is there a way to have gnome-terminal (or anyone else stealing the combo) pass alt+right to the terminal?
[05:32] <matthew_w> #Debian is fine, as long as you're talking about pure pure debian.  Like talking about a pseudo-leftism at a republican conference.
[05:33] <kalias> nickrud: basically it was trying to talk to ttyS0 or ttyS1 and it kept saying that they didn't exist.
[05:33] <Milk_> khermans, its going now
[05:33] <nalioth> thoreauputic: what are you insinuating?
[05:33] <Milk_> new error
[05:33] <khermans> Milk_, the configure?
[05:33] <SomebodyS> hmm checksum of the iso is the same
[05:33] <SomebodyS> Guess im gonna check the cd now
[05:33] <khermans> Milk_, and?
[05:33] <SomebodyS> maybe it burnt wrong...?
[05:33] <kalias> nickrud:  how do I check out if they (the serial ports) are working?
[05:34] <nalioth> SomebodyS: try burning slower
[05:34] <BlueEagle> kalias: What does /dev say about stty0 and stty1
[05:34] <BlueEagle> ?
[05:34] <nickrud> kalias, stick a known working external modem on the port, open minicom, and type at
[05:35] <lemur> In a political sense, I would view both projects as essentially leftist.  I hope I'm not entirely incorrect in proposing an analogy that ubuntu is to communism what debian is to...um..oligarchy. ^_^
[05:35] <nickrud> that's how I'd do it, I don't have any other test equipment
[05:35] <thoreauputic> lemur: heh /j #politics ;-)
[05:36] <lemur> I might take you up on that offer
[05:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:36] <gusto5> anyone familar with vmware?
[05:36] <matthew_w> debian's closer to some fascism that's actually a fascism, not just one that CNN says is a fascism.
[05:36] <hajiki> i need help, the gnome volume applet can see my sound card and the volume is up. but i dont hear anything. i have a sb audigy 2...
[05:36] <lemur> but, what is true fascism, if you don't mind my asking?
[05:36] <kalias> nickrud: hmmm..not sure if I still have an external modem around, I will have to take a look.
[05:37] <CarlFK> lemur - I am sure someone in #politics can anwer that ;)
[05:37] <thoreauputic> come on guys, be nice to Debian - Debian is Ubuntu's Daddy
[05:37] <BlueEagle> lemur: Are you accusing debian of being run by the mob? :p
[05:37] <nicedreams> how do you view and disable services in Ubuntu?  I want to not have apache2 boot up with ubuntu...
[05:37] <kalias> nickrud:  where do I look in /dev to tell about ttys0 and ttsy1?
[05:37] <nickrud> kalias, BlueEagle has a good point as well
[05:37] <matthew_w> lol the mob
[05:37] <nickrud> ls /dev/ttyS<tab>
[05:37] <matthew_w> Okay, well I suppose not really fascism, just one of those high school cliques.
[05:37] <CarlFK> nicedreams - just install it (via apt get) and it will take care of runnign on boot
[05:38] <cevizoglu> how do I get Ubuntu to use my belkin wireless 802.11G nic?
[05:38] <matthew_w> "I'm sorry, we're strongly opposed to new ideas, open-mindedness, and non-Christians."  lol
[05:38] <Kyral> Really quick question
[05:38] <lemur> I think I'm staying on topic. :)  I don't think #politics wants to hear about linux distributions
[05:38] <BlueEagle> nickrud: Well, actually I don't. I've got both serial ports disabled in the bios but /dev/ttys still show up on my box.
[05:38] <thoreauputic> lemur: heh
[05:38] <matthew_w> lemur; what os are you running now?
[05:38] <Kyral> if I do a server install with Breezy Preview, does it install a sound system or do I have to do that?
[05:38] <nicedreams> CarlFK: I have apache2 installed and I installed ssl-explorer and now I don't want apache2 to startup with Ubuntu.  How do I do that?  I only know how to stop it from /etc/init.d/
[05:38] <nickrud> BlueEagle, heh
[05:38] <lemur> matthew_w: Fedora Core on this machine, but I have another running debian stable.
[05:38] <kalias> nickrud: It displays alot of ttySxx devices.
[05:38] <CarlFK> ah, you dont want it to.  um... i du no.
[05:38] <nickrud> never tried that
[05:39] <nickrud> kalias, best test is the modem, i think
[05:39] <matthew_w> lemur; I was never a big fan of fedora/redhat.  Ubuntu was the first distro I actually stuck with.
[05:39] <kalias> nickrud: okay I will see if I can find one.  Back in a bit.
[05:39] <BlueEagle> kalias: Did you try sudo modprobe serial_cs
[05:39] <BlueEagle> ?
[05:40] <BlueEagle> kalias: It's the only module I found in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/serial
[05:40] <matthew_w> From this information can anyone tell me if I'm missing a package or something:  AMD athlon 1600+ (1.4GHz) 600+mb ram, 32mb Nvidia GeForce2 MX --  yet the most "extreme" game I can play is "NetHack" because all others lag me so badly I can barely close them without restarting X.
[05:40] <BlueEagle> (you might not have -686 if you're running the default 386 kernel)
[05:41] <kalias> BlueEagle: sudo modprobe serial_cs comes back with nothing.
[05:41] <nalioth> matthew_w: you running the k7 kernel?
[05:41] <lemur> Anyway, I'd explain my reasoning to the extent that communism a la leninism was an organization that was controlled by a single party that calls the shots but at the same time encourages community participation.  Now that I think about it, though, I'd think Redhat/Fedora is more fitting of that title.
[05:41] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep nv
[05:42] <matthew_w> nalioth; probably not.  In retrospect I think it's the default.
[05:42] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Does that show Driver "nv" or Driver "nvidia"?
[05:42] <lemur> Especially since I get the impression that they encourage community participation in production but not management.
[05:42] <lemur> Okay, I'm done.
[05:42] <thoreauputic> lemur: most linux distros have elements of that, really
[05:42] <BlueEagle> kalias: lsmod|grep serial
[05:42] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; It returns driver "nvidia"
[05:42] <nicedreams> anyone know how to disable services?
[05:42] <BlueEagle> kalias: modprobe doesn't confirm that it succeeds installing the module (but does give errors when it fails)
[05:43] <thoreauputic> lemur: but I think we are closer to anrchism ;)
[05:43] <lemur> omg, and they're called "red" hat
[05:43] <KanRiNiN> Question:  the package specific button on the ATI installer is below the bottom menu.  that is, it is too long for my 1024 screen res, and cannot resize.  any temp fix to thsi????
[05:43] <thoreauputic> *anarchism
[05:43] <volvoguy> hey, i added something in the sessions dialog that my system doesn't seem to like. does someone know where that setting is stored so i can get rid of it via the console?
[05:43] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: glxinfo|grep OpenGL
[05:43] <matthew_w> nalioth; would the kernel really create a difference in performance of video etc?
[05:43] <nalioth> matthew_w: the k7 is tuned for athlons
[05:43] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Does that give you something about Mesa?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> lemur: of course if you are Ghenghis Khan everything looks "leftist" ;-)
[05:43] <kalias> BlueEagle: serial_cs               9628  0
[05:44] <nalioth> matthew_w: dont know much about video
[05:44] <lemur> thoreauputic: indeed
[05:44] <BlueEagle> kalias: Well, then your serial port driver should be installed.
[05:44] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; no, returns 3 things about my video card, then OpenGl Extensions:
[05:44] <BlueEagle> kalias: ofcourse you should have lsmod|grep serial before modprobe-ing to see if there was any difference.
[05:44] <KanRiNiN> anybody know how to temporarily add desktop space without resizing screen rez?  I'm maxed out
[05:44] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: and all about nvidia and no mesa?
[05:44] <matthew_w> KanRin; workspaces?
[05:44] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: What does glxgears give you 3rd time around?
[05:45] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; all Nvidia.
[05:45] <SomebodyS> Yep I think the Cd is definatly bad.. I cant MD5Checksum on 3 files on the CD-the because they cant be Read....
[05:45] <Vaske_Car> hello
[05:45] <KanRiNiN> I need a bigger workspace though matthew_w.  the ATI installer app needs longer than my screen rez for me to see the options
[05:45] <SomebodyS> anyone want a coaster :-)
[05:45] <KanRiNiN> dang...
[05:45] <kalias> BlueEagle: okay, I think the next thing is to attach a modem if I can find one.
[05:45] <Vaske_Car> What mean "~" on the end of the file?
[05:45] <matthew_w> KanRinin; err... dunno :S  sorry
[05:46] <BlueEagle> kalias: That might be a good idea. :)
[05:46] <Vaske_Car> fo example test.txt~
[05:46] <thoreauputic> KanRiNiN: buy some old monitors and make a video wall ;-)
[05:46] <KanRiNiN> it's just a damn driver...grr...never had this problem in FC3.
[05:46] <SomebodyS> thanks for help all... g'night
[05:46] <hajiki> can 4.03 be upgraded to 4.10?
[05:46] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Try glxgears and let it run for 15 seconds and see how many frames it can churn out.
[05:46] <thoreauputic> hajiki: 4.03 never existed
[05:46] <matthew_w> Can I get the K7 Kernel from synaptic?  More appropriately, when I get the K7 kernel from synaptic, will it show up in Grub without me having to edit anything?
[05:47] <hajiki> can hoary be upgraded to breezy?
[05:47] <NoUse> matthew_w yes to both counts
[05:47] <bimberi> Vaske_Car: probably editor backup files (i know gedit created them for instance)
[05:47] <thoreauputic> hajiki: do you mean 4.10 --> 5.04 ?
[05:47] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Yes you can and yes it will.
[05:47] <bimberi> *creats
[05:47] <bimberi> gah
[05:47] <NoUse> !upgrade2breezy
[05:47] <ubotu> hmm... upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or if and when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces
[05:47] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; 10fps
[05:47] <fatpelt> evening all.  i've added backports to my sources list and did and update, but i still don't see a package that should be there (mono).  could it be that there is no package for my arch (x86_64)?  does apt check that kind of stuff ?
[05:47] <imnes> How can I delay network initialization durring bootup (on breezy), I'm on a laptop and usually not connected to any networks when I boot.
[05:47] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Ouch. Which graphics card was this again?
[05:48] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: ...and which system processor?
[05:48] <bimberi> fatpelt: yes it does check the arch
[05:48] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; Nvidia GeForce 2 MX -- I've gotten much better performance from m$ with it though, so I'm inclined to think it's a software issue.  Also, I'm using a K7 AMD Atlon 1600+
[05:48] <fatpelt> bimberi:  is there an way to ask apt-cache to show me even for other arches (just so i can see if that is really the case)?
[05:49] <Mr-Falkor> When Is breezy released ?:)
[05:49] <thoreauputic> fatpelt: no, apt-cache seaches your sources
[05:49] <CarlFK> fatpelt http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:49] <imnes> matthew_w: that's with the commercial nvidia driver?
[05:49] <matthew_w> Mr-Falkor; October.
[05:49] <bimberi> fatpelt: i think you need to install and use apt-file or you can do a search on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:49] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Well, I've got better results on my geforce2 MX with 32MB ram. It was on a P3 500 though.
[05:49] <kalias> BlueEagle:  Can I direct the keyboard output to a serial port?
[05:49] <matthew_w> imnes; yep.
[05:49] <CarlFK> kalias - keyboard output?
[05:49] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; yep that's the one, 32mb
[05:49] <Mr-Falkor> matthew_w, should I upgrade to the test version ?
[05:50] <BlueEagle> kalias: not sure. if you want to send at-commands use minicom or what ever the name was.
[05:50] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; would the k7 kernel help, you think?
[05:50] <kalias> CarlFK; yes, I press a key, it gets echoed to the port.  Just basic stuff.
[05:50] <bimberi> fatpelt: mono on i386 and powerpc i'm afraid
[05:50] <fatpelt> bimberi/thoreauputic/CarlFK: ah it says only i386.  i don't suppose there is a way to install it anyway (i'd assume not as that might be an unsafe thing to do)
[05:50] <matthew_w> Mr-Falkor; Not unless you're really, -really- --REALLY-- sure of what you're doing.
[05:50] <matthew_w> Mr-Falkor; or you're extremely masochistic.
[05:50] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Well, a k7 kernel on a k7 processor doesn't sound like non-sense :)
[05:50] <Mr-Falkor> ah
[05:50] <Mr-Falkor> hehe
[05:50] <cevizoglu> does it make sense to download a Win XP driver for my wireless NIC to work on a Mac PowerBook?
[05:50] <CarlFK> kalias - how about a term program?
[05:50] <bimberi> fatpelt: yes, using an i386 chroot ...
[05:50] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; DUUHH OK *drooldrool* -- I'll download that now.
[05:50] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: But I've never used a k7 processor so I wouldn't know. :)
[05:51] <bimberi> !chroot
[05:51] <ubotu> I guess chroot is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[05:51] <Mr-Falkor> Anyway,.. do I need to reinstall my distro if I change to a AMD64 and a new mainboard ?
[05:51] <kalias> CarlFK: yes that would work.  I will see if there is one installed.
[05:51] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; is it safe to uninstall the old kernels I don't use?
[05:51] <fatpelt> bimberi: SWEET!
[05:51] <matthew_w> Mr-Falkor; probably you will just need new kernels.
[05:51] <Mr-Falkor> matthew_w, so I will get a kernel panic then ?
[05:51] <kalias> What linux program is a terminal emulator?
[05:51] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: As safe as removing headlights from a car you only drive in revers.   Sorry for the simple questions, I haven't done this before :(
[05:53] <matthew_w> because kernel doesn't work -_-
[05:53] <BlueEagle> o.O
[05:53] <thoreauputic> matthew_w: apt-cache search linux-image
[05:53] <CarlFK> kalias - minicom
[05:53] <Mr-Falkor> Should I run AMB64 on a i386 or on a 64 ubuntu ?
[05:53] <Mr-Falkor> AMD
[05:53] <Mr-Falkor> err
[05:53] <n3trunner> NoUse: like when i visit www.macromedia.com... the menu name at the top wont appear...
[05:53] <kalias> CarlFK: I guess I have to install that one.
[05:54] <cafuego> Mr-Falkor: Depends on whether you want flash, java applets, dvd, divx...
[05:54] <Mr-Falkor> ah :/
[05:54] <communico> BlueEagle: everything went well, but I got stuck at this point "then copy arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/custokernel-2.6.11 and edit /boot/grub/grub.conf to have an option for that kernel." because their was no bzimage file in that folder
[05:54] <Mr-Falkor> I`ll just plug and crash !:P
[05:54] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: linux-k7 would be a good bet I guess.
[05:54] <bimberi> ... wine, mono, ...
[05:54] <thoreauputic> communico: erm - don't use 2.6.11, please
[05:54] <n3trunner> NoUse: generally, text wont apear...plus even sound doesn't work...
[05:54] <thoreauputic> it's broken
[05:54] <cafuego> mono runs find on AMD64, thanks.
[05:55] <BlueEagle> communico: It might be bzImage
[05:55] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; okay I'm installing that image - I'm using 2.6.10 not .11 because I'm fairly uncertain that 2.6.11-k7 isn't so stable
[05:55] <bimberi> cafuego: in chroot?
[05:55] <cafuego> bimberi: No, just as is.
[05:55] <n3trunner> I can't even read anything on the flash Settings...
[05:55] <fatpelt> bimberi/thoreauputic/CarlFK: thank you all so much!  have a wonderful night!
[05:55] <BlueEagle> communico: anyways just type cp arch/i386/boot/bz and press TAB to auto complete.
[05:55] <cafuego> bimberi: I've been running beagle on amd64 for ages.
[05:55] <communico> thoreauputic: BlueEagle told me to install it :)
[05:55] <thoreauputic> matthew_w: 2.6.11 is broken
[05:55] <bimberi> cafuego: no hoary packages tho
[05:55] <fatpelt> cafuego:  you didn't have to do a chroot to get mono up?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> communico: well, it is known to have deep problems
[05:55] <matthew_w> thoreauputic; well good thing I chose 2.6.10 lol
[05:56] <cafuego> bimberi: No, breezy here.
[05:56] <cafuego> fatpelt: Not on breezy, no.
[05:56] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: how is 2.6.11 broken when you roll your own?
[05:56] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; once I download this.... what do I have to do with it... *NUB*  lol
[05:56] <bimberi> ahh, there you go fatpelt
[05:56] <h17m4n> hmmm do I really need to install wine on chroot?? seems some users installed it it in 64 bit.... But would that only allow them to run 64 bit windows apps?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: ah -n that might be OK, don't know: the Ubuntu one is definitely broken though
[05:56] <fatpelt> hehe.  thanks again everyone!
[05:56] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: if you apt-get install it then you reboot and choose the -k7 option in grub (shoul be added automatically)
[05:57] <fatpelt> i'm tring the crhoot now.
[05:57] <matthew_w> Well I guess I'll reboot
[05:57] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: I see. Thanks for the heads-up.
[05:57] <matthew_w> Brb!
[05:57] <bimberi> fatpelt: ok, sry for that gap in my knowledge (tks cafuego)
[05:57] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: Are you in the know as for when 2.6.13 or 2.6.12 is added?
[05:57] <Mr-Falkor> Does Gnome 12 work faster than gnome 10 ?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: I think 2.6.12 is in Breezy
[05:58] <kalias> BlueEagle: okay, success.  I downloade minicom and when I hit the keys I can see the light on this ir device turn green, that implies that my serial ports are working.
[05:58] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: Breezy is still beta, right?
[05:58] <Mr-Falkor> Cuz Gnome 10 feels like Im wearing heavy boots
[05:58] <BlueEagle> kalias: Well there you go. :)
[05:58] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: yup - th epreview just came out
[05:58] <wickedpuppy> BlueEagle, 2.6.12-8-386 thats my current breezy kernel
[05:58] <BlueEagle> kalias: add serial_cs to /etc/modules to have it load automatically every time you boot
[05:58] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: release in October
[05:58] <CarlFK> kalias - yep. somewhere is a "echo to screen" option in minicom
[05:59] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: Well, imo they should be able to patch up 2.6.13 by that time, but then again I don't know how many patches ubunty sticks in. :)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: the  freeze is already in place
[06:00] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: Good thing I got a jacket then... ?
[06:00] <kalias> Thanks guys :)))  I will continue with the brickos stuff now and see if I can get it working.
[06:00] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: so I don't think 2.6.13 will be in Breezy
[06:00] <communico> thoreauputic: all I'm tring to do is setup a raid
[06:00] <communico> BlueEagle: hmm, it still can't find any bz file
[06:00] <communico> I'm looking in the directory now
[06:01] <thoreauputic> communico: beyond me, I'm afraid - I have no experience with raid
[06:01] <communico> BlueEagle: is there a way I can search for it?
[06:01] <BlueEagle> communico: I've had most luck with md by compiling md and raidX into the kernel. I didn't get it working with modules.  I'm no longer in X.
[06:02] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: You might need to apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:02] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: That module is kernel dependant.
[06:02] <matthew_w> Oh
[06:02] <BlueEagle> :)
[06:02] <matthew_w> Is there a way for me to ... "minimize" this irssi so I can do that without closing it?
[06:02] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: ALT+F2 will show you the 2nd (of 6) termnal screens
[06:03] <Mr-Falkor> the X and gtk should have been build into the kernel
[06:03] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; error - already installed...x-x
[06:03] <Mr-Falkor> then X would have worked faster
[06:03] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Also screen is a nice program. You can detatch programs run with screen <command> by hitting ctrl+a+d and re-connect with screen -r
[06:04] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: man apt-get and see how you can force a re-install I guess.
[06:04] <gusto5> general question: what do i do if i install more physical ram?
[06:04] <gusto5> in terms of swap...
[06:04] <thoreauputic> gusto5: nothing
[06:04] <gusto5> oh. ok. thanks thoreauputic
[06:05] <thoreauputic> gusto5: how much ram, swap ?
[06:05] <matthew_w> Have to do an apt-get remove then apt-get install
[06:05] <matthew_w> Whoa... One could live completely without x
[06:05] <thoreauputic> matthew_w: indeed
[06:05] <Mr-Falkor> How did I check my swap ?
[06:05] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx I guess.
[06:05] <gusto5> 729.5 for swap, thoreauputic and my new combined ram value will only be 512 mb
[06:06] <thoreauputic> gusto5: that's more than enough
[06:06] <gusto5> thoreauputic, ok. thanks again. have a great night.
[06:06] <matthew_w> It's installed
[06:06] <matthew_w> try starting x again?
[06:06] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Yes, when I think about it you might also need to reinstall nvidia-kernel-common
[06:07] <brownie17> what the hell is x, btw?
[06:07] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: It might also be that you need nvidia-kernel-common and not nvidia-glx :)
[06:07] <BlueEagle> brownie17: It is the graphical framework used by the windowmanager to draw windows.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> brownie17: it's the graphical system that draws widgets/windows on the screen
[06:07] <brownie17> ok
[06:08] <brownie17> pretty hot today
[06:08] <brownie17> hahah
[06:08] <BlueEagle> brownie17: It is a common abbrivation for x-server
[06:08] <brownie17> where i am anway
[06:08] <brownie17> ok
[06:08] <brownie17> gtg
[06:08] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: I thought the window manager drew the widgets and windows...
[06:08] <matthew_w> "failed to load module "nvidia" module does not exist"  "no drivers available"
[06:08] <thoreauputic> brownie17: you can actually run X apps without a window manager, but it's kind of impractical
[06:09] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: modprobe nvidia
[06:09] <communico> BlueEagle: I found a bzImage file in /arch/x86_64/boot. could that be it?
[06:09] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: also add nvidia to /etc/modules to have it load automatically.
[06:09] <matthew_w> FATAL - module nvidia not found
[06:09] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: nope - try  startx `which gedit` -- :1
[06:09] <BlueEagle> communico: Are you on a 64-bit platform?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> for instance
[06:09] <communico> BlueEagle: hmm, how do I find that out?
[06:10] <BlueEagle> communico: You do know which processor you have got don't you?
[06:10] <bytefoo> does colony 4 come with OOo 2 ?
[06:10] <matthew_w> BlueEagle - fatal - module nvidia not found
[06:10] <cafuego> bytefoo: yes
[06:10] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: the window manager draws window edges and .. er.. manages the windows
[06:10] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:10] <Parisi> How come my Atheros Netgear 311t isnt supported under kubuntu? I was told teh atheros were well supported under *nix :(
[06:10] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: that's even after reinstalling nvidia-kernel-common?
[06:11] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; I think.
[06:11] <BlueEagle> communico: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:11] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Well I'll be... :/
[06:11] <matthew_w> How would I check to see if those are installed?
[06:12] <bytefoo> thanks cafuego
[06:12] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: they should be in /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/ somwhere
[06:12] <eva-02> is RC1 any diff from colony 4?
[06:12] <communico> BlueEagle: it says 'address sizes 40 bits physical 48 bits virtual'
[06:12] <nalioth> eva-02: yes it is, by a week i think
[06:12] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: mine is in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/video/
[06:13] <eva-02> k ty
[06:13] <BlueEagle> communico: cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep "model name"
[06:14] <communico> BlueEagle: ah yes, 64 bit processor, AMD Athlon
[06:14] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: Well it draws _a_ window, but if I am not mistaking there are no widgets there and not very much managing going on.
[06:14] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; there is no "drivers" folder in there
[06:14] <BlueEagle> communico: Well then it's no wonder that it's in x86_64 and not in i386. :)
[06:14] <BlueEagle> communico: Sorry for not picking that up sooner. :)
[06:15] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Hmm..
[06:15] <communico> BlueEagle: that's okay. I'll resume where I left off
[06:15] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: right - if you startx with an app instead of a wm, you get an immovable rectangle but the app runs
[06:15] <lakcaj> khermans, did you try just downloading the .deb and seeing what deps it is looking for and if you can fullfill those with ubuntu packages?
[06:15] <khermans> lakcaj, no actually i dindt
[06:15] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: so if you specify the geometry you van run a browser, say, on tty8, fullscreen
[06:15] <thoreauputic> s/van/can
[06:16] <khermans> lakcaj, hrmm...good idea
[06:16] <nalioth> khermans: you can visit packages.ubunto.com to check depends, too
[06:16] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: Yes, and as far as I know a widget is the kind of thing you've got in ie. the titlebar that lets you minimize and maximise it and the re-sizable window edges. I might have misunderstood what a widget is though. :)
[06:16] <nalioth> khermans: the other packages.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <h17m4n> Question: I'm trying to install wine on chroot, but when I try to compile it, I get this error: #flood
[06:16] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: my undertanding is that widgets wre the things in the windows, or the windows borders etc
[06:17] <thoreauputic> /s/wre/are
[06:17] <BlueEagle> thoreauputic: I wonder if the dictionary has got a definition. :)
[06:17] <h17m4n> it talks about x86_64 when I'm actually running 32 bit chrootr
[06:17] <BlueEagle> "A small mechanical device or control; a gadget."
[06:17] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: heh - some techncal dictionary or wikkipedia I guess ;)
[06:17] <BlueEagle> not exactly helpful. :)
[06:18] <pundai> hey do the win32 codecs come with mplayer?
[06:18] <matthew_w> It still says "Failed to load the Nvidia Kernel module, and now I can't get X... grr..."
[06:18] <pundai> im trying to view a presentation and it says no sound
[06:18] <h17m4n> anyone?
[06:18] <pundai> audio codec format 0x75
[06:19] <Parisi> Man... I buy a new wireless card based on the atheros chipset based on recommendations and the thing isnt even natively supported under ubuntu at all, crap.
[06:19] <nalioth> pundai: pkg is called w32codecs
[06:19] <nalioth> !tell pundai about extras
[06:19] <matthew_w> pundai:  You'll have to add the marillat repository, though.
[06:19] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; Help, I'm stuck in terminal
[06:19] <matthew_w> lol
[06:19] <Parisi> So now i am stuck with 2 wireless cards that dont work properly :/
[06:19] <nalioth> Parisi: hope you saved the receipt
[06:19] <BlueEagle> "In graphical user interfaces, a combination of a graphic symbol and some program code to perform a specific function. E.g. a scroll-bar or button." so it seems you are correct. :)
[06:20] <h17m4n> the error I get was posted on flood
[06:20] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget <-- the computer def is there
[06:20] <pundai> matthew_w, nalioth thanks
[06:20] <robotgeek> pundai: what are you trying to install from marillat?
[06:20] <Parisi> nalioth needless to say i will be returning it, bah
[06:20] <pundai> robotgeek, w32codecs
[06:20] <nalioth> Parisi: prism54.org
[06:20] <robotgeek> okay
[06:20] <matthew_w> BlueEagle: Any ideas now...?
[06:20] <robotgeek> Parisi: also dont forget ralink cards (a few belkin have them ,and they come cheap)
[06:21] <Parisi> nalioth i was told the atheros was my best bet, and the the driver (ath) wont even work with it.
[06:21] <nalioth> robotgeek: ralink?
[06:21] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Well, I've got no experience with k7 kernels in general or ubuntus k-7 kernel in particular so I am sorry, but I do not know how to fix that. All I can do is suggest you re-boot your i386 (or even an i586 might work) kernel.
[06:21] <BlueEagle> not sure about the 586 though.
[06:21] <matthew_w> k
[06:21] <nalioth> BlueEagle: 686 on that type of athlon, or k7
[06:22] <Parisi> I am too pissed to even think about it, looks like i will be stuck with windows again.
[06:22] <robotgeek> nalioth: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page gpl'ed drivers
[06:22] <BlueEagle> nalioth: it's a k7 processor but nvidia kernel module seems to get lost somwhere...
[06:23] <Parisi> Is there such a thing as a wireless card which is 100% compatible with bsd/linux or what?
[06:23] <BlueEagle> nalioth: and it's matthew_w that's having the problem.
[06:23] <satafterh> hello all, is Preview Release of Ubuntu 5.10 stable??
[06:23] <CarlFK> Parisi= orinoco
[06:23] <CarlFK> satafterh - no.
[06:23] <nalioth> BlueEagle: nv and nvidia either work w/o a complaint or it's like pullin the teeth of an enraged hippo gettin it goin
[06:23] <robotgeek> Parisi: yeah orinoco, or even netgear cards based on prism chipset
[06:23] <thoreauputic> satafterh: by definition, not quite :)
[06:23] <Parisi> CarlFK: What about the atheros?
[06:23] <BlueEagle> carlfk: It's a preview release. not a stable release.
[06:23] <satafterh> thanks
[06:24] <nalioth> Parisi: prism54.org
[06:24] <Parisi> Ok.
[06:24] <BlueEagle> carlfk: I wouldn't put it on a production server, but feel free to try it out.
[06:24] <Parisi> I guess i'll just return the Netgear then.
[06:24] <CarlFK> BlueEagle - why you telling me? ;)
[06:24] <BlueEagle> carlfk: However don't be suprised if it contains bugs. :)
[06:24] <robotgeek> Parisi: the netgear doesn't work??
[06:24] <BlueEagle> carlfk: Because I'm mis-reading nicks like my grandma. :)
[06:24] <CarlFK> heh
[06:24] <satafterh> is there an easy way to upgrade kernel and fix nvidia driver as it hangs the system when I try
[06:24] <bored2k> how do i edit devilpie?
[06:24] <mik3> CarlFK : chicago > *
[06:25] <Parisi> robotgeek This is my second netgear card i have tried ! I have a acx111 based card and now this one based on the atheros 5213
[06:25] <robotgeek> bored2k: u mean devilspie, right?
[06:25] <CarlFK> mik3 yup. you too?
[06:25] <h17m4n> Question: An AMD64 compiled wine would only run 64 bit Win apps?
[06:25] <BlueEagle> satafterh: It's a preview and should be treated as such. I wouldn't put it on a production server but feel free to try it. Don't be suprised if you find bugs though.
[06:25] <bored2k> robotgeek, yeah
[06:25] <robotgeek> Parisi: and did u try to compile the drivers from source?
[06:25] <Parisi> robotgeek The sad part is that the acx111 sorta runs with ndiswrapper
[06:26] <h17m4n> From Tamir: wine - Currently there is not way to build it on amd64
[06:26] <robotgeek> Parisi: i tht most netgears used prism chipset
[06:26] <bored2k> how do i edit devilspie?
[06:26] <satafterh> blueeagle - thanks,   no server here lol just home pc, lol
[06:26] <robotgeek> !tell me about pastebin
[06:26] <BlueEagle> satafterh: That depends on what you define as "easy". If I was to undertake an installation of a preview release I would have made a separate partition for it.
[06:26] <h17m4n> I guess I took the right path when compiling it under chroot.
[06:26] <Parisi> robotgeek Not sure about that :/
[06:26] <Parisi> robotgeek I think theyre mostly atheros, broadcan and acx
[06:26] <matthew_w> So, now that I'm back in X
[06:26] <satafterh> kernel upgare not for preview release for currant stable
[06:27] <Parisi> Broadcom*
[06:27] <BlueEagle> satafterh: By looking at the number of 'lol'-s you manage to cram into one sentence it might be a good idea to stick to hoary until breezy is stable. :)
[06:27] <matthew_w> How could I get the Nvidia modules into my K7 kernel?
[06:27] <matthew_w> !nvidia
[06:27] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:27] <robotgeek> bored2k: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2027 a copy of my .devilspie.xml
[06:28] <satafterh> mathew that my problem to i think
[06:28] <robotgeek> Parisi: do atheros cards not work with the madwifi drivers?
[06:28] <bored2k> robotgeek, how do i use it ?
[06:28] <Parisi> robotgeek aparently not my model! the atheros 5213
[06:28] <robotgeek> basically, you launch it by typing devilspie in a terminal or so
[06:29] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; I just installed Linux-Kernel-Headers-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-k7 .. what are those? lol
[06:29] <bored2k> i get an error trying to run it
[06:29] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; when they're not k7 that is.
[06:29] <satafterh> mathew lol
[06:29] <Parisi> robotgeek Ubuntu wouldnt even get my card up, and that says alot!
[06:30] <nalioth> robotgeek: where does one buy ralink usb dongles?
[06:30] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Well the -modules are probably modules. The headers are for when you compile stuff yourself (like programs)
[06:30] <robotgeek> nalioth: usb dongles, i am not sure. i use a pcmcia card.
[06:30] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: ubuntu _might_ have rolled a nvidia module in there... :)
[06:30] <aru> I battled with ubuntu for 3 days trying to get my pcmcia (whatever) card working... then I realised I had wired the cat5e wrong
[06:30] <Parisi> Heh
[06:30] <Vaske_Car> How to set default zoom in Firefox?
[06:30] <satafterh> so much to learn lmao
[06:31] <nalioth> robotgeek: my ibook has no pcmcia slot
[06:31] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: try to ls /lib/modules/2.6.10-k7/kernel/drivers/video
[06:31] <aru> I just like to share that story when someone says Ubuntu is at fault :)
[06:31] <robotgeek> nalioth: okay. they are good cards, and the driver is getting better all the time
[06:31] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: it might be named something other than 2.6.10-k7 though.
[06:32] <Sonny_Wertzik> Hello.
[06:32] <cvt> hi
[06:32] <Sonny_Wertzik> I don't mean to inturrupt but.....can someone answer a quick question for me?
[06:32] <satafterh> why are there no sourses for kernel in package manager for default kernel
[06:32] <thoreauputic> dict loll:  1. To act lazily or indolently; to recline; to lean;... etc etc <-- what lol always makes me think of
[06:32] <aru> Sonny_Wertzik: ask away
[06:32] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; is that it?  /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-k7/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko  ?
[06:32] <Sonny_Wertzik> thx aru
[06:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> is there a way to get full access to all my files and folders?
[06:33] <nalioth> robotgeek: yes, so i read. but i dont have pcmcia
[06:33] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: That seems like bingo to me. :)
[06:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> i guess i dont have permissions for some
[06:33] <robotgeek> nalioth: trying to pull up which ones u can buy in a fry's
[06:33] <NoUse> satafterh linux-source-2.6.10
[06:33] <aru> Sonny_Wertzik: you can open a root terminal if that helps
[06:33] <sn0n> hey guys... whats the typical width of a console window ?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Sonny_Wertzik: of course. with sudo/ gksudo
[06:33] <sn0n> like 80 x 20 or something aint it ?
[06:34] <bimberi> 80x24
[06:34] <sn0n> thnx much
[06:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> ill try that now
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Sonny_Wertzik: be aware you can break your system easily if you don't understand something though
[06:34] <snausages> where can i go to see a list of all the applications available via apt-get ?
[06:34] <NoUse> snausages synaptic
[06:34] <NoUse> !synaptic
[06:34] <ubotu> I guess synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:34] <BlueEagle> snausages: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:35] <snausages> thank you both
[06:35] <dducko> !restricted
[06:35] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:35] <BlueEagle> snausages: or in synaptic :)
[06:35] <snausages> =)
[06:35] <robotgeek> nalioth: http://ralink.rapla.net/
[06:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> it asks for a switch..which one do i pick?
[06:35] <hajiki> my sound doesnt work, help
[06:35] <cvt> what do i need to handle all video formats?
[06:35] <BlueEagle> sonny_wertzik: tried the "off" switch? :p
[06:35] <BlueEagle> hehe
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Sonny_Wertzik: erm.. a switch?
[06:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> hehe
[06:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> many a time
[06:36] <satafterh> plug the speakers in
[06:36] <NoUse> !tell cvt about restricted
[06:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> command line switch that is
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Sonny_Wertzik: whatever you do, don't push the big red button!!
[06:36] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[06:36] <cvt> ty
[06:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> hahahaha
[06:36] <sn0n> hmmmm
[06:36] <satafterh> I am from canada, where is everyone eles from
[06:36] <BlueEagle> sonny_wertzik: to get full access to all files sudo -i
[06:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> cool man thx
[06:37] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; that was it.
[06:37] <cafuego> satafterh: yes
[06:37] <BlueEagle> sonny_wertzik: Be VERY CAREFUL when you're using the root shell because it's very easy to shoot yourself in the foot.
[06:37] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: how is glxgears working for you now?
[06:37] <matthew_w> BlueEagle; glxgears is now churning out 750+ fps, an increase of over 7500%
[06:37] <Sonny_Wertzik> i will thx for the help
[06:37] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Well, there you go. :)
[06:37] <matthew_w> I sure pwned those gears.
[06:37] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Feel free to put a few words in my guest book if you want to.
[06:39] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: Well anything is better than 10 fps ;D
[06:39] <cafuego> except 5
[06:39] <BlueEagle> cafuego: But ofcourse.
[06:39] <BlueEagle> Anything better than 10 fps is better than 10 fps.
[06:39] <BlueEagle> (damn pedantic crowd in here...) :p
[06:40] <thoreauputic> BlueEagle: hey, never start a sentence with parentheses!
[06:41] <bitkrom> hello
[06:41] <cafuego> thoreauputic: ( really?
[06:42] <BlueEagle> Hi bitkrom! How are you today?
[06:42] <matthew_w> Thanks BlueEagle XD
[06:42] <thoreauputic> cafuego: )
[06:42] <cafuego> thoreauputic: meh ]
[06:42] <thoreauputic> cafuego: :)
[06:42] <BlueEagle> :p
[06:42] <cafuego> BlueEagle: illegal/yes please/in bed
[06:42] <bitkrom> how do i make a system within the system for programs with higher requirements above the ability of the distro
[06:42] <BlueEagle> matthew_w: no problem. Sorry I didn't pick up on k7-modules being needed though. I'm new to ubuntu. :)
[06:43] <BlueEagle> bitkrom: Are you talking about emulating a different system here?
[06:43] <satafterh> I have to tell you all, I am new to liux about 2 months now, have tried differant distro, ubuntu and kubuntu are the best (wont so whick one i like more lol) great job to the people who give it to us,  it seams really stable, not to big and easior than most to get up and runing, although I am having an issue installing wine and it working but never the less great job, because of ubuntu I got rid of bill gates thanks
[06:43] <BlueEagle> bitkrom: or a chroot jail?
[06:44] <nalioth> bitkrom may want a sandbox
[06:44] <Thread-x> anyone knows how to enable remote desktop from ssh (command line)??
[06:44] <cvt> are there any video formats that ubuntu handles?
[06:44] <nalioth> cvt: just the open format ones
[06:44] <BlueEagle> thread-x: Are you thinking about x11 forwarding?
[06:45] <cafuego> cvt: yeah, all, provided you have an x86.
[06:45] <cvt> i have p4 3 gHz 1gB ram, etc.
[06:45] <bitkrom> can you explain the sandbox?
[06:45] <cvt> totem movie player
[06:45] <h17m4n> Performing 'make install' as root to install binaries, enter root password - Isn't it the password I normally use?
[06:45] <BlueEagle> !tell cvt about restricted
[06:45] <h17m4n> How come it wont work
[06:45] <cafuego> Oh, I'm sorry to hear that :-)
[06:45] <concept10> Just tested the breezy preview Live CD, it works great on my system.  Should I upgrade to breezy now???
[06:45] <thoreauputic> h17m4n: sudo make install
[06:46] <cafuego> !restrictedformats
[06:46] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[06:46] <Thread-x> BlueEagle - maybe.. my main problem is that the remote desktop doestn work until i start gnome. but i want it to work from ssh :S
[06:46] <nalioth> concept10: breezy is still badgerish, take note
[06:46] <cafuego> cvt: Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for info.
[06:46] <bitkrom> is it a chroot jail im after?
[06:46] <h17m4n> I'm trying to run this
[06:46] <h17m4n> ./tools/wineinstall
[06:46] <h17m4n> it compiled already
[06:46] <cafuego> h17m4n: sudo apt-get install wine
[06:46] <BlueEagle> thread-x: until you start gnome on which machine?
[06:46] <concept10> nalioth: badgerish? heh
[06:47] <h17m4n> I'm following this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996&page=1&pp=10
[06:47] <thoreauputic> nalioth: aaaaargh! snake!!
[06:47] <h17m4n> to build a cvs wine on chroot
[06:47] <cafuego> h17m4n: ubunbtuforms should not be used, as they give you bad info.
[06:47] <bur[n] er> !breezy
[06:47] <ubotu> from memory, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[06:47] <BlueEagle> cafuego: As they _may_ give bad info.
[06:47] <cafuego> h17m4n: Pretty much, installing unpackged software is  abad idea.
[06:48] <bitkrom> say i need to run a program and the requirements are not met in the distro...what steps do i take?
[06:48] <cafuego> BlueEagle: No, they _do_.
 im in a windos machine working with ssh. .but i want a vnc.. to the ubuntu machine.. but the remote doesnt work until i log in gnome..
[06:48] <h17m4n> cafuego: so doing a 'sudo apt-get wine' on chroot will get all of that done?
[06:49] <BlueEagle> thread-x: Well you should be able to remotely log in afaik, but I've never set it up myself :/
[06:49] <cafuego> h17m4n: that will install wine, yes.
[06:49] <cevizoglu> does anyone have a url for getting wireless to work on a powerbook?
[06:49] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: do u have an aiport extreme card?
[06:49] <BlueEagle> thread-x: Let me do some checking.
[06:49] <h17m4n> hmmm
[06:49] <thoreauputic> cevizoglu: airport extreme is unsupported
[06:49] <thoreauputic> unfortunately
[06:49] <bytefoo> on any linux i think
[06:49] <bitkrom> do i create a folder and turn it into root to have another system within?
[06:49] <h17m4n> but ubotu points me out to that thread
[06:49] <h17m4n> !tell cafuego wine
[06:50] <coleSLAW> One day, my Multi_Key stopped working in breezy, and I do not understand how to troubleshoot it.  Can someone help?
[06:50] <bytefoo> breezy have firefox 1.5 ?
[06:50] <h17m4n> !tell cafuego about wine
[06:50] <bytefoo> the new one?
[06:50] <BlueEagle> thread-x: Applications->System Tools->Configuration editor | desktop->gnome->remote access
[06:50] <robotgeek> coleSLAW: multi_key?? what is that?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> bytefoo: not AFAIK
 thanks in advance
[06:50] <cevizoglu> thoreauputic: I'm not using airport extreme
[06:50] <thoreauputic> cevizoglu: lucky you :)
[06:50] <BlueEagle> thread-x: However I am not sure if that will work though.
[06:50] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: then which card are u using?
[06:51] <coleSLAW> robotgeek: Outside of X.org, it is typically called the Compose key.
[06:51] <Thread-x>  <BlueEagle> sorry mind if i pm you?
[06:51] <robotgeek> coleSLAW: as in the one with the tilda key?
[06:51] <robotgeek> coleSLAW: or ~ ` key?
[06:51] <BlueEagle> thread-x: No, since you ask I'd be delighted to recieve a msg from you. :)
[06:51] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: belkin F5D7010
[06:52] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: it's supposed to work with ubuntu
[06:52] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: can u do a lspci and paste the output to pastebin? or do u know if it is a ralink card?
[06:53] <aru> anyone have a soundcard working with a front panel they can record from?
[06:53] <coleSLAW> robotgeek: No.  As in the one that says "Compose" on it.  Or the one you have to define yourself.
[06:53] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: in a terminal, do a "lspci -v" and paste the output
[06:53] <coleSLAW> robotgeek: It lets you type characters not on your keyboard.  Like .
[06:53] <coleSLAW> .
[06:53] <coleSLAW> Even.
[06:54] <cevizoglu> what is the url for pastebin again?
[06:54] <aru> !pastebin
[06:54] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:54] <robotgeek> coleSLAW: if you want to remap keys, take a look at xkeycaps
[06:55] <coleSLAW> robotgeek: I've already remapped keys.  The default startup is not sourcing the correct Compose file, though.
[06:55] <snausages> i'm trying to install flash, but i get this: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[06:55] <coleSLAW> robotgeek: It's supposed to pick up /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
[06:55] <thoreauputic> snausages: you need multiverse
[06:55] <thoreauputic> !tell snausages about repos
[06:55] <cevizoglu> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2028
[06:56] <elmo_> BlueEagle: Thanks again for your help. I have spent a long time trying to figure out the root terminal commands to do what you suggested, but to no avail. I have tried many variations (i.e. ext2 and 3, hd1 and hd0, different mount commands. Either I am completely inept at operating at terminal commands or the live cd system does not even see the hd.
[06:56] <cafuego> !checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[06:56] <ubotu> ...but checkinstall is already something else...
[06:56] <cafuego> ubotu: no, checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[06:56] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[06:56] <BlueEagle> elmo_: sudo fdisk -l
[06:57] <NightBird> question, why would my ubuntu installation think something was wrong with getting the file needed for apt-get update?
[06:57] <thoreauputic> cafuego: what wa it before? (curious)
[06:57] <BlueEagle> elmo_: if it doesn't list your harddisk then it (the kernel) doesn't see it at all....yet
[06:57] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: sorry to inform you that on ppc, you cannot use this card. this has a broadcom chipset, and it's not usable on ubuntu ppc. though u can use this on a windows machine with ndiswrapper
[06:57] <NightBird> the deb lines are properly formed, so thats not the problem
[06:57] <BlueEagle> elmo_: if it does list your harddisk then we should be able to mount it.
[06:57] <cevizoglu> which card do I need to work on ppc?
[06:57] <cafuego> thoreauputic: checkinstall is a program used in place of "make install". It makes a simple deb for installation
[06:57] <elmo_> BlueEagle: thanks. I will try tomarrow, when I can keep my eys open. You have been very helpful.
[06:58] <cafuego> thoreauputic: No info as to "why".
[06:58] <thoreauputic> cafuego: ah Ok
[06:58] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: i am infact using a belkin card, but i believe even the same version, but it used a different chipset
[06:58] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: prism54.org
[06:59] <bitkrom> is there a command to run to install ubuntu in a folder?
[06:59] <cafuego> bitkrom: yes, 'debootstrap'.
[07:00] <liraz> Has anyone here managed to access linux files from windows?
[07:00] <adoyretsamon> er, yes
[07:00] <bitkrom> cafuego: ok ill try
[07:00] <adoyretsamon> not writing
[07:00] <cafuego> liraz: ext2fsd (sourceforge) and read and write ext2 and ext3.
[07:01] <adoyretsamon> liraz, the program I have used is called ... yes cafuego got it
[07:01] <liraz> adoyretsamon, yeah. I'm trying to use those but some folders just dont open, it says they're corrupted.
[07:01] <liraz> right
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:01] <robotgeek> da_bon_bon: hi
[07:01] <bitkrom> cafuego: the command isnt there
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> to those on breezy -- does usplash need a framebuffer console ?
[07:01] <adoyretsamon> liraz, those errors sometimes come up
[07:01] <cevizoglu> hm.... too bad my pc doesn' t have a pcmcia slot
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> hi robotgeek :)
[07:01] <thoreauputic> liraz: windows thinks everything non-windows is corrupted *grin*
[07:02] <adoyretsamon> lol
[07:02] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: u said a powerbook right?
[07:02] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: yes
[07:02] <orospakr> hi! how do I get the mail-transport-agent dependency met when I have an MTA installed that isn't in the ubuntu repository?
[07:02] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: i tht all powerbooks had pcimcia slots!
[07:02] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: do u have a small powerbook, like 12" ?
[07:03] <cafuego> bitkrom: Why don't you install it, then?
[07:03] <cevizoglu> robotgook: I never said I wished my powerbook had a pcmcia slot
[07:03] <cevizoglu> oops, sorry
[07:03] <bitkrom> cafuego: right...i found it thanks
[07:03] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: sorry, my bad.
[07:03] <liraz> adoyretsamon, do you know how to get rid off them? sometimes just moving or renaming the folders works, it's weird...
[07:03] <cafuego> orospakr: Did you install qmail like a silly person?
[07:03] <liraz> but not always
[07:03] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: I said I wished my pc, my amd chipset pc had a pcmcia slot
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: is there any other way?
[07:04] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Yes, but I can't mention it in public.
[07:04] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: got it
[07:04] <cafuego> it involves the C word and many other expletives.
[07:04] <adoyretsamon> liraz, nope
[07:05] <cafuego> orospakr: You could give 'equivs' a try, but really you should have used 'checkinstall'.
[07:05] <adoyretsamon> liraz, best to make a fat32 partition and share between linux/windows
[07:05] <cvt> thx for your help.  sorry i don't understand the links you gave me.  i'm really trying here.
[07:05] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: I'm not quite grokking this prism54.org page - what's it for?
[07:05] <cafuego> or, in case of it really being qmail, you shouldn't have ;-)
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> heeey... should i update from hoary to breezy or go download the preview iso ?
[07:06] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: Wait a few weeks and then upgrade.
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: upgrade from hoary itself ?
[07:06] <cevizoglu> oh, I need a belkin card with a prism chipset?
[07:06] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: yep, when breezy is reelased you can just upgrade. (Oct 13)
[07:07] <BlueEagle> Damn connection.. :(
[07:07] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: any card listed working on the prsim54.org site will work
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> ok.. cafuego.. but wouldnt a "clean install" be recomended ?
[07:07] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: No, this isn't Fedora.
[07:07] <ati-ysohard> !ati
[07:07] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[07:08] <cevizoglu> ok, thx  :)
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: hehe
[07:08] <tod_kon> Hello, I am having trouble in installing libpango
[07:09] <tod_kon> I goto do libpango1.0-common and it requires libpango-1.0, then it does vice versa when I try the required packages
[07:09] <Mr-Falkor> hoohoo,.. I just need 1000 Dollars :D
[07:10] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: are you using 3rd part repositories?
[07:10] <Mr-Falkor> Then I can upgrade my computer alot
[07:10] <thoreauputic> *3rd party
[07:10] <Mr-Falkor> I can get 1000$ easy :)
[07:10] <bitkrom> cafuego: is debootstrap downloading how much of what it calls a whole system according to the man page?
[07:10] <tod_kon> thoreauputic: yes
[07:10] <Mr-Falkor> hehe
[07:10] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: how did I guess?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> :|
[07:10] <h17m4n> is this a valid command: sudo /sbin/ldconfig export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib
[07:11] <bitkrom> cafuego: the whole sid distro?
[07:11] <Mr-Falkor> Upgrade my computer alot or a Mac ?
[07:11] <tod_kon> thoreauputic: mind if I query?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: just paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on the pastebin
[07:11] <BlueEagle> Well I'm calling it the night. You all have a wonderful time. :)
[07:12] <tod_kon> pastebin?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> !paste
[07:12] <ubotu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: havent ever used fedora
[07:12] <tod_kon> ah
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: those "wait a few weeks" ? for breezy to officially release ?
[07:13] <BlueEagle> I'm going to get a fedora hat and put it on my computer just so that I can tell people that I've got fedora on it. :p
[07:13] <tod_kon> Did it
[07:13] <tod_kon> Thoreauptic: it;s on #flood
[07:14] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: mid october release date
[07:14] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: umm.. I'm not currently in #flood
[07:14] <tod_kon> Ah okay
[07:14] <tod_kon> Well... where do you suggest I insert it?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: paste it on the pastebin, as I said
[07:14] <tod_kon> s/do/would
[07:14] <Madpilot> any Opera 8 users here? I need a hand, I've managed to screw up my Opera config pretty badly...
[07:15] <nalioth> Madpilot: dont use opera, use FOSS instead
[07:15] <Madpilot> nalioth: thanks, that's so helpful...
[07:16] <BlueEagle> madpilot: mv .opera .opera.old and restart opera. That should give you the default settings. Then copy back your mail folder (and other useful stuff) from .opera.old
[07:16] <tod_kon> thoreauputic: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2029
[07:16] <nalioth> Madpilot: i havent used opera in years, sorry
[07:16] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, opera is currently free with the release of 10
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: is there a ~/.opera or equivalent you can move out of the way?
[07:16] <nalioth> WhiteRabbit: is it free as in beer or as in speech?
[07:16] <Madpilot> BlueEagle: thanks - forgot about moving  /.opera
[07:16] <WhiteRabbit> thoreauputic, check in /opt
[07:17] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, as in beer
[07:17] <BlueEagle> madpilot: not /.opera but ~/.opera :)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> WhiteRabbit: ?
[07:17] <Madpilot> BlueEagle: right, sorry. I do know which directory you're talking about!
[07:17] <BlueEagle> madpilot: ~ = /home/<username>
[07:17] <BlueEagle> madpilot: I'm just pulling your leg. :)
[07:18] <Madpilot> back in a bit, hopefully with a non-borked Opera...
[07:18] <WhiteRabbit> thoreauputic, nm lol
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> hey .. i am confused .. what should i go for ? kubuntu or ubuntu preview ?
[07:18] <nalioth> WhiteRabbit: i prefer my FOSS, thank you
[07:18] <BlueEagle> da_bon_bon: none of the above?
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> BlueEagle: i dont get you.
[07:18] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, nothing wrong with being a zealot ;)
[07:19] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: comment out the debian lines and update
[07:19] <Vaske_Car> how to install Opera?
[07:19] <BlueEagle> da_bon_bon: Get ubuntu 5.04 (hoary hedgehog) as it is the most stable and best supported.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: don't use debian repos with Ubuntu
[07:19] <nalioth> WhiteRabbit: i like to tinker. open opera, go to jail
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> BlueEagle: i am on hoary .. are you too ?
[07:19] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, whos gonna goto jail
[07:20] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, I just passed go & collected $200!
[07:20] <BlueEagle> da_bon_bon: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome but it's not officially supported and ubuntu preview is breezy which is a preview and not very well supported either.
[07:20] <Vaske_Car> I downloaded Opera, what is the command to start installation?
[07:20] <nalioth> WhiteRabbit: opening up proprietary software to modify it is a jailable offense
[07:20] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, wtf cares?
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> BlueEagle: i meant, kubuntu preview orubuntu preview :P
[07:20] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: I'd be wary of backports as well, unless you are just grabbing one thing
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> BlueEagle: anyway .. i think i will stick to ubuntu hoary
[07:20] <BlueEagle> da_bon_bon: Well if you don't know which then you shouldn't get either. :p
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> i have customized it toooo much to lost it
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> *lose
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> hey.. right there
[07:21] <tod_kon> thoreauptic: that might be the problem :D
[07:21] <tod_kon> I am trying to get Thunar and Pango installed...
[07:21] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: debian is out of sync with hoary
[07:21] <tod_kon> Oh
[07:21] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: so you get version mismatches
[07:21] <tod_kon> Ah
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> anyway .. cya all
[07:22] <tod_kon> Should I alter them a bit then?
[07:22] <BlueEagle> Well, your personal settings (for applications and the window manager) need not be touched as most formats are stable. However it shouldn't suprise anyone if a newer app uses a newer (and not backwardscompatible) setting format. :)
[07:22] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, I bet you support the new laws on the printer ink carts if you open the seal you are bond by law to not refill them, & if you refill them your open for a lawsuit kinda guy ;)~
[07:22] <bitkrom> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[07:22] <tod_kon> I am defiantly a noob to Debian/Ubuntu...
[07:22] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: if that doesn't fix it run  apt-get -f install ( without arguments - you might have to do that a few times)
[07:22] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: that last after fixing your sources, of course
[07:23] <nalioth> WhiteRabbit: those are asinine
[07:23] <WhiteRabbit> nalioth, Now you know how I feel about * rolls Eyes *
[07:23] <thoreauputic> eurydice just quit - wonder if Orpheus knows?
[07:23] <tod_kon> thoreauptic: did you send something before apt-get -f?
[07:24] <tod_kon> I can't find it..
[07:24] <bitkrom> cant run /bin/bash as root...how come?
[07:24] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: There are actually laws preventing you from tarhishing a piece of hardware you've bought with the ink of your choice?
[07:24] <BlueEagle> bitkrom: sudo -i
[07:24] <nalioth> BlueEagle: yes, just this week. refilling your ink cartridge is against the law
[07:24] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, yes the new US laws state if you open a printer cart package that states you cant refill it you really cant refill it or you goto jail
[07:25] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: no - just fix your sources, update and try again
[07:25] <tod_kon> Okay
[07:25] <BlueEagle> ...only in America...
[07:25] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, you know kinda like ripping a tag off a matress kinda deal
[07:25] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, before long planters will have a commercail with some guy refilling them
[07:25] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: sudo apt-get -f install is only needed if you have a problem
[07:25] <tod_kon> Oh okay
[07:25] <tod_kon> Thanks
[07:25] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: Don't tell me there's a law preventing you from ripping a tag off a matress...
[07:25] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, yes
[07:25] <bitkrom> BlueEagle: didnt work
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> \o/ america
[07:26] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: What if you sleep restlessly and pull off the sheets and rip it with your foot in your sleep?
[07:26] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, I've just personaly got feed up with all US laws & just don't follow them anymore lol
[07:26] <tod_kon> thoreauputic: so in the URL, should I change it to ubuntu or something?
[07:26] <bitkrom> BlueEagle: is this command right? chroot /sid-root /bin/bash
[07:26] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: NO
[07:26] <tod_kon> I am still not quite getting this =/...
[07:26] <tod_kon> Haha
[07:26] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, It's still jailable How lame is that?
[07:26] <tod_kon> Sorry
[07:26] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: just get rid of the debian lines
[07:26] <tod_kon> Okay
[07:27] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: or comment them out like the marillat ones
[07:27] <BlueEagle> bitkrom: ls /sid-root/bin/bash
[07:27] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: BTW using Marillat is also risky as hell (don't)
[07:27] <bitkrom> BlueEagle: not there
[07:27] <BlueEagle> bitkrom: Well then there's no wonder you cannot run it.
[07:27] <bitkrom> BlueEagle: tells me the debootstrap failed to grab it all
[07:27] <BlueEagle> bitkrom: What were you trying to do again? :)
[07:28] <tod_kon> thoreauputic: I kind of need those deb ones though in the first place =/
[07:28] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: why?
[07:28] <tod_kon> Thats where I want to grab the Thunar sources from
[07:28] <tod_kon> they aren't in the Hoary repositories...
[07:28] <bitkrom> BlueEagle: making a debootstrap system in a folder
[07:28] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: Well you better sow it back on when you wake up I guess. Why was that law put in place anyways?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: sources are OK, binaries not
[07:28] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, for interstate sales
[07:28] <bitkrom> BlueEagle: E: Couldn't download libsigc++-1.2-5c102
[07:28] <tod_kon> Ah
[07:28] <BlueEagle> bitkrom: Oh, I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I knew how to do that.
[07:29] <tod_kon> thoreauputic: So... I should look for a sources in that URL?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: comment out the second last line then
[07:29] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, The IRS reigns surpreme over all other US branchs currently ;)~
[07:29] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: notice the last line says "src"
[07:29] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: ...and selling mattresses you own in another state should be illegal because..?
[07:29] <tod_kon> Ah
[07:29] <tod_kon> yeah
[07:30] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, taxes you must leave the tag on to show the proper taxes had been paid for said matress
[07:30] <BlueEagle> Hei bjoern-erik. Str til? </weird language>
[07:30] <cvt> can i pm someone?  [I have a learning disability]
[07:30] <Madpilot> OK, that's better... thanks all. Must learn to be more careful with Opera's font configs, least I render it unreadable again...
[07:30] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: but of course you have to compile those or use apt-get build dep then compile
[07:30] <thoreauputic> * apt-get build-dep
[07:30] <tod_kon> Oooh
[07:30] <cvt> i'm trying to play videos and i don't understand the link someone gave me.
[07:30] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, http://www.legal-forms-kit.com/legal-jokes/dumb-laws.html
[07:31] <cvt> because of my disability
[07:31] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: Well, I would assume that a reciept for the mattress would suffice, but then again I'm not working for the IRS. :)
[07:31] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, look at the forth law for Arizona
[07:31] <tod_kon> Hrm... build is an invalid option
[07:32] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: see my corection above
[07:32] <thoreauputic> *correction
[07:32] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:32] <tod_kon> Ah okay
[07:32] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: and if you are building from deb sources I recommend you read the apt howto
[07:32] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: Could you have one in the house and one in the garage?
[07:33] <BlueEagle> whiterabbit: ...and why on earth would someone have any reason to pass such a law?
[07:33] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install apt-howto ; then type apt-howto in a terminal and it opens in a browser
[07:33] <tod_kon> Okie
[07:33] <tod_kon> Thanks
[07:33] <tod_kon> I don't do sudo ;)
[07:33] <tod_kon> I do sudo -s
[07:33] <WhiteRabbit> BlueEagle, look at the 8th for California
[07:33] <BlueEagle> "Putting salt on a railroad track may be punishable by death."  I get the following error when trying to run win4lin pro: mergepro-core: unable to find host directory /home/webby/winpro/Documents and Settings: No such file or directory
[07:38] <Webby`> What do I do?
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> try making that directory?
[07:38] <Webby`> ok
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:39] <brownie17> seveas: i have a 56 meg script in my browser, and i want to save it to my desktop, how do i save it there from the cache, rather than downloading it again. i have a slow connection
[07:39] <Webby`> OK, I created that directory and now I get this error: /usr/bin/winpro: line 140: 23376 Segmentation fault      "$EXEC" "$CORE" $COREFLAGS -m "$MRGPRO_WINDOWS_RAMSIZE" -hdb "$PAGEFPATH" -fda "$VARMERGE/images/BLANK.IMG" -fdb "$VARMERGE/images/MERGEPRO.IMG" "$GUESTPATH" $CDROMARGS $EXTRA_FLAGS $*
[07:39] <thoreauputic> a 56 meg script? That's some script...
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> thoreauputic,  yea - i was about to say that.
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Webby`: do NOT paste here
[07:40] <Webby`> sorry
[07:40] <brownie17> madpilot: i have a 56 meg script in my browser, and i want to save it to my desktop, how do i save it there from the cache, rather than downloading it again. i have a slow connection
[07:40] <thoreauputic> !tell Webby` about paste
[07:40] <brownie17> !tell webby about pastebin
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> sounds like ya need to hit the win4lin homepage and install docs and other forums.
[07:40] <brownie17> can anyone help me?
[07:41] <jfclavette_> Hello, I have installed gcc 3.3 (specifically need 3.3 for compatibility purposes) and it compiles fine, but it won't link, complaining about undefined references even for the standard library.
[07:41] <delltony> is there a way to force a kill other than kill -9 i am in need of killing dpkg but it will not kill and with it runing i can't dist upgrade cause of beign locked
[07:41] <thoreauputic> brownie17: no need to repeat - we saw it the first time :)
[07:41] <brownie17> i was repeating to to madpilot sho just got here
[07:41] <brownie17> sometimes he helps me
[07:42] <brownie17> can you help me?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> delltony: killing a dpkg process is not usually a Good Move
[07:42] <thoreauputic> delltony: what is dpkg doing?
[07:42] <Madpilot> brownie17: if it's open in a browser window, how about right click & save as?
[07:42] <delltony> well trying to do a dist upgrade to breezy
[07:43] <brownie17> it tries to dwonload form the server again
[07:43] <delltony> but it hung up
[07:43] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i believe delltony is in the middle of a breezy upgrade and needs to kill dpkg to continue his journey
[07:43] <towlie_> im considering installing ubuntu, i downloaded the live cd iso. is there a way to install that to the hard drive to make a permanent install or do i need to get a different iso ?
[07:43] <delltony> thats correct
[07:43] <thoreauputic> nalioth: ah OK
[07:43] <nalioth> towlie_: you need the install cd
[07:43] <bimberi> brownie17: browser? you mean firefox?
[07:43] <brownie17> delltony: pkill? killall?
[07:43] <brownie17> bimberi: yes
[07:43] <delltony> i tried kill all not pkill let me try that
[07:43] <bimberi> brownie17: File -> Save Page As
[07:44] <thoreauputic> delltony: with sudo or as root, of course
[07:44] <brownie17> bimberi: it tries to dowenload it form the source again, not form the cache
[07:44] <thoreauputic> oh - installation - sorry
[07:44] <delltony> nope not killing
[07:44] <brownie17> did you use sudo?
[07:44] <delltony> and i'm doing it as sudo
[07:44] <brownie17> ok
[07:44] <jfclavette_> anyone .. ?
[07:44] <brownie17> um.. sorry, can't help
[07:45] <Madpilot> back later, all
[07:45] <bimberi> brownie17: um, Select All, Copy, Paste elsewhere (57Mb might stress that tho :) )
[07:45] <delltony> dang it dang it dang it
[07:45] <bimberi> *56
[07:46] <brownie17> it's allright, i think i worked it out
[07:46] <bimberi> brownie17: good thing, i was struggling :)
[07:46] <brownie17> bimberi: i had the cache size at 50 meg, the file was 56. :( just out
[07:46] <delltony> anyne else have any idea on this
[07:46] <fhl0e> Need help, systemsound OK, music XMMS/mpg123/etc doesnt work, no errormessages
[07:46] <delltony> if i restart i'm screwed
[07:46] <nalioth> delltony: yes, you are. do you have any other puters around?
[07:46] <brownie17> delltony: isn't there a guide for breezy beta?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: options - prefs - choose esound output
[07:47] <delltony> yeah i do
[07:47] <nalioth> brownie17: on some puters, breezy is still a badger
[07:47] <delltony> but id rather not hose this one if i can help it
[07:47] <nalioth> delltony: d/l the daily breezy image and burn it
[07:47] <Webby`> I get the following error when tyring to startup win4lin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2030
[07:47] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: in xmms
[07:47] <Webby`> What do I do to fix it?
[07:47] <brownie17> nalioth: ya waaa? you TRYING to confuse me>? becasue i REALLY don't need help!!!
[07:47] <delltony> well why will this damn thing not kill
[07:47] <nalioth> delltony: may have no other choice, and with the cd, you can "apt-cdrom" it and continue
[07:47] <brownie17> delltony: what does it say?
[07:48] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: tried that already..
[07:48] <delltony> doesn't say anything
[07:48] <delltony> just goes back to the shell prompt
[07:48] <nalioth> brownie17: it just doesnt die.
[07:48] <delltony> and i do a pgrep and the id is still there
[07:48] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: mpg123 might need an option in /etc/libao.conf <-- not sure if that's the one
[07:48] <brownie17> delltony: then it probably is killed
[07:48] <brownie17> nalioth: ok
[07:48] <delltony> trust me its not
[07:48] <delltony> go to flood
[07:48] <brownie17> delltony: sorry, can't help, doesnt look like anyone else in here can, try looking for an alternative method
[07:48] <brownie17> goodbye
[07:49] <nalioth> delltony: i had to do what i just advised. use a breezy daily to continue after a restart
[07:49] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: /etc/libao.conf says: default_driver=alsa
[07:49] <tod_kon> I give up on this...
[07:49] <delltony> ok
[07:49] <delltony> so burn the image
[07:49] <delltony> and then what put it in
[07:50] <delltony> and do apt-get dist upgrade
[07:50] <nalioth> delltony: nope. you have to "sudo apt-cdrom add" with the cd in the machine first
[07:50] <delltony> any cahnce you can email me a step by step procedure or would that be too much to ask
[07:50] <nalioth> delltony: then the dist-upgrade
[07:50] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: hmm - see if default_driver=oss does anything (shot in the dark)
[07:50] <delltony> well restart the system
[07:50] <delltony> and hope i get a shell
[07:50] <delltony> and then do it? not sure where or how your getting to the prompt
[07:50] <nalioth> delltony: you'll get a shell, and not much more
[07:51] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: nope, no better
[07:51] <thoreauputic> tod_kon: did you run apt-get -f install?
[07:51] <nalioth> delltony: you'll probably have no X but you should get a shell
[07:51] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: killall esd and try again?
[07:51] <delltony> actually i think it installed all that
[07:51] <delltony> hell here goes nothing
[07:51] <delltony> freaking upgrades grrrrrrrrrrr
[07:52] <delltony> if not ill do like you said
[07:52] <nalioth> well i knew it "breezy is broken"
[07:52] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: I assume you ran alsamixer and unmuted your channels?
[07:52] <fhl0e> thoreauputic:  hehehe.. hmm tried xmms after changing in libao.conf... mpg123 works now..
[07:52] <delltony> so its apt-cdrom add
[07:52] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: alsamixer: everything unmuted..
[07:52] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: ah
[07:52] <delltony> then and then apt-get dist upgrade?
[07:52] <delltony> to resume
[07:52] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: so it works now?
[07:53] <nalioth> delltony: correct, that should work
[07:53] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: you might need to play with the mpeg plugin in xmms as well
[07:53] <Madpilot> warning to all Opera users: the package "gsfonts-x11" will seriously bork Opera's font settings...
[07:53] <nalioth> delltony: with lots of "apt-get -f install" and cursing along the way
[07:54] <Webby`> Why do I get this error when trying to start win4lin?: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2030
[07:54] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: mpg123 yes, xmms no......  I've installed all codecs according to ubuntuguide.org/#codecs.. and all are active in xmms
[07:55] <onehourtonothing> what do I need to do to make my laptop work on the tv
[07:55] <onehourtonothing> use my tv as a clone or extension
[07:56] <thoreauputic> fhl0e:  dpkg -l libmikmod2  <-- any result? Is that package installed?
[07:56] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: and did you try killing esd?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> blech, some quit messages... :|
[07:59] <Thread-x> anyone knows how to start vino (remote access) from the terminal?
[08:01] <onehourtonothing> so does anyone know how to enable s-video/second monitor from the laptop
[08:01] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: I acctually froze my ubuntu... needed to reboot
[08:01] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: oh - what caused that?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: 15:55 < thoreauputic> fhl0e:  dpkg -l libmikmod2  <-- any result?  But I think I now know my prob.. I tried to run xmms with sudo. Then when I choose a file i froze... Did the same now... It works!!
[08:03] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: with ALSA
[08:03] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: why on earth run xmms with sudo??
[08:04] <wickedpuppy> does anyone know why my flash drive keeps changing from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb to /dev/sdc
[08:04] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: I think I have a permisson prob on music files..
[08:04] <wickedpuppy> ?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: is your user in the audio group? type "id" to see
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> wickedpuppy,  depends on what other usb dricves ya got in.  and the order they are plugged in i think.
[08:04] <wickedpuppy> Dr_Willis, i only been using one drive
[08:04] <wickedpuppy> just one flash thumb drive
[08:05] <onehourtonothing> how do I use a second monitor on my laptop?
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> wickedpuppy,  and when you remove/plug it back in it changes? going up one letter each time?
[08:05] <wickedpuppy> yes
[08:05] <wickedpuppy> know why ???
[08:05] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: yepp... how do I see file permissons?
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> unmount it first. :P perhaps.
[08:05] <wickedpuppy> i did umount /media/usbdisk
[08:06] <wickedpuppy> as root
[08:06] <wickedpuppy> fhl0e, ls -l
[08:06] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: ls -l /path/to/file
[08:06] <onehourtonothing> how do I use a second monitor on my laptop?
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> the auto-mounter stuff may be getting in the way.. try closeing all windows and progs accessing the thing..
[08:06] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: seems like there is no permissons.. just -------
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if the4ers an easy way to totally disable that automounting stuff.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: umm
[08:06] <LinuxHungry> What kinds of problems are you having with breezy vrs Hoary.
[08:07] <wickedpuppy> fhl0e,  can't be ... it means nobody has access to it
[08:07] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: must be something
[08:07] <wickedpuppy> except root ... perhaps
[08:07] <wickedpuppy> LinuxHungry, no problems here
[08:07] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: are these files in your home directory?
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> wickedpuppy,  are you running X and gnome?
[08:07] <wickedpuppy> yes
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Willis, check the system > preferences menu for removable media
[08:08] <wickedpuppy> ubuntu
[08:08] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: home/musik
[08:08] <fhl0e> /home/johan/musik/
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> wickedpuppy,  i think the gnome -media detector/automounter is doing some of the stuff. check where HiddenWolf  just said and disable the gnome stuff
[08:08] <wickedpuppy> fhl0e, then surely you are the creator of the files ???
[08:08] <wickedpuppy> sure Dr_Willis ... thanks HiddenWolf too :P
[08:09] <LinuxHungry> just downloaded breezy and seeding on torrent but won't be able to install until monday
[08:09] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: gftp from another win..
[08:09] <HiddenWolf> wickedpuppy, np
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> wickedpuppy,  we had a heated argument in here one day about cdroms and the automounting stuff as well  :)
[08:09] <HiddenWolf> LinuxHungry, seeding is good!
[08:09] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: how to change permissons?
[08:09] <wickedpuppy> fhl0e, man chmod
[08:09] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: erm - you are trying to stream music over ftp?
[08:09] <AzMoo> aw man, no zend studio packages :(
[08:10] <LinuxHungry> I thought it would use lots of bandwidth but it's only using 25k
[08:10] <Madpilot> AzMoo: doesn't Zend studio cost money?
[08:10] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: no, i've downloaded to my home folder.
[08:10] <AzMoo> Madpilot, not the client.
[08:10] <AzMoo> I don't think :\
[08:10] <AzMoo> I should check that.
[08:11] <aftertaf> help
[08:11] <aftertaf> lol :)
[08:11] <tod_kon> Bye!
[08:11] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: chown -R johan:johan /home/johan/musik && chmod -R 644 /home/johan/musik
[08:12] <danl> is there an easy way to install kde on ubuntu?
[08:12] <AzMoo> Son of a bitch, so it does. I wonder when they did that? I've still got an old one on my windows box that didn't cost a thing.
[08:12] <aftertaf> mornin' all
[08:12] <AzMoo> danl, kubuntu
[08:12] <bimberi> danl: sure is - install the kubuntu-desktop package
[08:12] <danl> ok thanks bimberi
[08:12] <nalioth> howdy tritium
[08:13] <tritium> hi nalioth
[08:13] <danl> err... actually i think thats what i tried and it gave me some dependecy error... let me go check
[08:13] <Madpilot> AzMoo: I thought Zend made PHP studio apps (among other things) - what's their 'client' app?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: oh - if there subdirectories that might cause issues
[08:14] <LinuxHungry> why is the latest version of fluxbox not recomended for ubuntu?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: where did you see that?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: the Hoary version had a bug...
[08:15] <LinuxHungry> on thefluxbox homepage
[08:15] <fhl0e>  thoreauputic: too late...
[08:15] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: it's the --disable-xmb issue
[08:15] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: OK - are there subdirs, and how many?
[08:15] <fhl0e> 2
[08:16] <LinuxHungry> what does that do?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: for each of the subdirs do chmod 755  (as your user - not as root)
[08:16] <LinuxHungry> disable-xmb?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: there's a font problem that's solved with that configure option
[08:17] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: hang on a sec
[08:17] <LinuxHungry> ok
[08:18] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: I have a xmms window that wont close.. how can close it?
[08:19] <jo_e> what packages do I need to install to use alsa?
[08:19] <Ohmer> hi
[08:20] <LinuxHungry> here's a link to the newest dbian version of flusbox http://logicvortex.net/debian/
[08:20] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43428&highlight=slow+fluxbox <-- I give a solution here ( works with 0.9.12 - read the whole thread )
[08:20] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: that thread is from the mailing list BTW
[08:21] <LinuxHungry> i'm gonna bookmark it
[08:21] <Ohmer> wtf about all keyboard things on Breezy?  first, xorg didn't start, I replaced keyboard with kbd.  Also, my GNOME paramaters for keyboard doesn't take effect.   And now I cannot use "é" nor altgr key with my french canadian keyboard.
[08:21] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: I would avoid the debian version - compiling it is not difficult and solves the problem
[08:21] <Ohmer> this is a bug ?
[08:21] <aftertaf> jo_e:  it should mostly be installed already... what is your souncdard?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: some people have not had this issue BTW
[08:22] <jo_e> aftertaf, onboard
[08:22] <aftertaf> jo_e:  ok, but what chipset?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: killall xmms
[08:22] <aftertaf> jo_e:  type "lspci" in terminal, see what it finds as chipset
[08:22] <LinuxHungry> to be honist i've never compiled anything before.
[08:22] <jo_e> aftertaf, Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)... does that sound right?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: read that thread - I give insructions
[08:23] <LinuxHungry> only been using linux for a few months on and off
[08:23] <LinuxHungry> ok
[08:23] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: there's always a first time ;)
[08:23] <jo_e> aftertaf, I have uses alsa before, with different distros
[08:23] <jo_e> used*
[08:23] <aftertaf> jo_e:  ok on both counts ;)   SIS then a number..?
 so far i've crashed all my distros before I got a chance
[08:24] <thoreauputic> LinuxHungry: BTW for ID purposes I'm Peter Garrett
[08:24] <jo_e> aftertaf, 0000:00:02.7?
[08:25] <LinuxHungry> Thanks my name is Tony King
[08:26] <cvt-> please please please show me how to get video capabilites please
[08:26] <cvt-> that link was too broad.
[08:26] <cvt-> :)
[08:26] <cvt-> :(
[08:26] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: killall didn't close xmms app, it locked up ALSA.. rebooted now it works like a charm..:)
[08:26] <Madpilot> cvt: which link were you given? the RestrictedFormats wiki one?
[08:26] <cvt-> yes
[08:26] <cvt-> i'm really trying.
[08:27] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: great :) But you really need to get rid of the reboot reflex ;)
[08:27] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: I even run xmms through menus this time... So it seems like I had permisson probs allalong..
[08:27] <cvt-> anyone can pm me
[08:27] <Madpilot> cvt-: that link - plus the AddingRepositories one - should get you set up without any trouble. what's your specific issue?
[08:27] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: hehe... used to M$ win.. problems=reboot.. What could I have tried after killall instead??
[08:27] <cvt-> i don't know how to install progs
[08:28] <Madpilot> !tell cvt- about synaptic
[08:28] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: ps aux | grep xmms ; kill <pid number of xmms>
[08:28] <Madpilot> cvt-: the ubotu msg you just got has installing app information in it
[08:28] <cvt-> ok thx
[08:28] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: possibly also sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[08:29] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: Ok I'll write both those tips down.. Very much thank you for helping..
[08:29] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: sometimes  sudo pkill xmms would work too (killin as root in other words)
[08:29] <thoreauputic> pkill is easier
[08:30] <wickedpuppy> anyone ever got kernel panic , no init found error before ?
[08:30] <fluffybunny_> need help with Error message: ACPI error: see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2018
[08:31] <danl> how do i stop unresolved dependecy errors in synaptic
[08:31] <thoreauputic> danl: fix your repositories
[08:31] <thoreauputic> !repos
[08:31] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:31] <thoreauputic> danl: ^^^
[08:32] <danl> thanks
[08:32] <thoreauputic> np :)
[08:32] <fluffybunny_> need help with Error message after hard-shutdown: ACPI error: see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2018
[08:32] <thoreauputic> brb
[08:33] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: i've made many changes since i begun.. running through many forum threads and guides.. So I vill reinstall ubuntu now and have a nice default install..:)
[08:33] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: why are you reinstalling?
[08:33] <fluffybunny_> !ACPI
[08:33] <ubotu> fluffybunny_: Are you on ritalin?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: if it works, why fix it?
[08:34] <jo_e> !ALSA
[08:34] <ubotu> I heard alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[08:34] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: I made changes to esound.config and some other config files and didn't make backups.. So now I have no start up sound.. One issue to one guide I tried..:(
[08:35] <fluffybunny_> what is kubuntu?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: heheh - Rule Number 1 - if you don't understand what you are doing, don't do it ;-)
[08:35] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome
[08:36] <nexus-> where do i change the locale after an installation?
[08:36] <fluffybunny_> ah... that reminds me, can anyone recommend a more lightweight window/desktop manager than gnome?
[08:36] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: true.. but since i'm a M$-nerd who wants to convert I have to make misstakes to learn.. rigth?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: you can install kde with the kubuntu-desktop package
[08:37] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: isn't kde more resource intensive than gnome?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: yes, true: but you learn more by fixing mistakes than by reinstalling
[08:37] <danl> thanks it's installing now
[08:37] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: not as far as I can see here
[08:37] <tritium> nexus-, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:37] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: how much RAM and CPU do you have?
[08:38] <fluffybunny_> 192 RAM, CPU... uh... i think i'm running a 2.8GHz Celeron
[08:38] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: no problem with any desktop then really
[08:38] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: although 256 MB RAM would be better
[08:38] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: ofcourse... now I have go working.. maybe I'll try to fix the startup sound before reinstalling..
[08:39] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: :) Happy hacking !
[08:39] <fhl0e> thoreauputic: thanks.. see ya later (maybe?)...
[08:39] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: I have 256 but some of it is taken up by my graphics card, and I'm running a laptop, so upgrading is not feasable
[08:39] <thoreauputic> fhl0e: hard to escape me on this channel !
[08:39] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[08:39] <fhl0e> :)
[08:40] <aftertaf> jo_e:  you find out what chipset it is?
[08:40] <bimberi> not if optusnet can help it :)
[08:40] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: KDE will run fine if you want to try it
[08:40] <dazvid> bimberi: My optusnet hasn't failed me once :S
[08:40] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: is the choice of KDE vs gnome really just down to personal preference then?
[08:40] <tritium> absolutely
[08:40] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: yes
[08:40] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: thanks
[08:41] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: try both and decide for yourself
[08:41] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: are there any screenshots anywhere?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: of course - try kde-look.org
[08:41] <bimberi> dazvid: their vic branch must be good :P
[08:41] <spiral> hi
[08:41] <thoreauputic> not sure if that;'s the right URL
[08:41] <dazvid> lol, yeh its decent :)
[08:42] <fluffybunny_> apparently, I can turn down the RAM used by my graphics card in the BIOS - can anyone recommend what to set it to>? i don't play any games on this machine (except maybe frozen bubble_
[08:42] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I have no trouble with optus - but recently telstra had cabling trouble in this area
[08:42] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, 128
[08:42] <bimberi> thoreauputic: ah
[08:42] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I was off the 'net for 4 days
[08:42] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, its not the ram usage btw
[08:43] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: it only goes up to 64 ? :D
[08:43] <dazvid> thoreauputic: Where are you at?
[08:43] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=7&var1=18
[08:43] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I wouldn't apologise to them - i would prefer to be with internode frankly
[08:43] <thoreauputic> dazvid: Wollongong, Australia
[08:43] <dazvid> thoreauputic: My friend is on internode.. they aren't much better than optus imo :)
[08:43] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes, i've heard good things about internode too
[08:44] <thoreauputic> dazvid: oh? I hear nothing but good about internode
[08:44] <dazvid> Maybe their more expensive plans.. he is on the 1.5mb adsl
[08:44] <fluffybunny_> is anyone able to help with Error message after hard-shutdown: ACPI error: see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2018
[08:45] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, is this a laptop?
[08:45] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: yes
[08:45] <WhiteRabbit> you would say that lol
[08:45] <WhiteRabbit> ACPI is almost worthless
[08:45] <CaiN_SA> acpi is kewl
[08:46] <WhiteRabbit> only for laptops
[08:46] <CaiN_SA> how do you think laptop power etc
[08:46] <CaiN_SA> gets managed
[08:46] <CaiN_SA> ye
[08:46] <thoreauputic> brb
[08:46] <CaiN_SA> thats what its for
[08:46] <WhiteRabbit> blah blah blah preech it
[08:46] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: well, the point is, ubuntu crashed, I had to hold down the power button to restart, and now I get this error whenever I log in.. I just want to fix it
[08:46] <CaiN_SA> apm = pc's
[08:46] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, looks like the daemon got axed
[08:46] <CaiN_SA> whats the error fluffybunny_
[08:47] <WhiteRabbit> CaiN_SA, even though its needed its almost worthless call it a windows theory ;)~
[08:47] <fluffybunny_> CaiN_SA: screenshot: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2018
[08:47] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, check the system events for logs on the starting & exiting of the ACPI daemon
[08:47] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: linux n00b... more details? thanks
[08:47] <Bill--> Hi - I need help setting display resolution with my ati card. Xrand isn't available, xorg.conf listed resolutions look okay, fglrx-control(is this what i need?) wasn't added to the application menu and "fxlrx-control" doesn't seem to be a command.
[08:48] <Bill--> er fglrx*
[08:48] <CaiN_SA> fluffybunny_, sudo /etc/init.d/acpid start
[08:48] <CaiN_SA> and tell me what it does
[08:48] <tritium> Bill--, did you first try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[08:49] <Bill--> yes - it seems to work added fglrx as a loaded module.
[08:49] <CaiN_SA> why you versioning me ?
[08:49] <fluffybunny_> CaiN_SA:  * Loading ACPI modules...                                               [ ok ]
[08:49] <fluffybunny_>  * Starting Advanced Configuration and Power Interface daemon...
[08:49] <CaiN_SA> hmmm
[08:49] <CaiN_SA> fluffybunny_,
[08:49] <CaiN_SA> log out
[08:49] <CaiN_SA> and in again
[08:49] <CaiN_SA> and check if the error happens again
[08:49] <tritium> Bill--, and can you choose resolutions that you want available?
[08:49] <fluffybunny_> ok... back soon (thanks)
[08:49] <CaiN_SA> kk
[08:50] <Bill--> no , nothing shown in the drop down box. got an error message "XRAND Extension not supported"
[08:51] <fluffybunny_> CaiN_SA: yes, the error is still there
[08:51] <fluffybunny_> CaiN_SA: also a HAL! error
[08:51] <CaiN_SA> hmmm
[08:51] <CaiN_SA> eish
[08:52] <CaiN_SA> fluffybunny_, sudo ls -lha /var/run/
[08:52] <CaiN_SA> and paste in that bin
[08:52] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, I already told you what to do
[08:52] <fluffybunny_> CaiN_SA: the HAL! error was already there (not new)
[08:52] <CaiN_SA> ya
[08:52] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, but he is gonna lead you to what I said, But it'll take him 30mins at this rate
[08:52] <CaiN_SA> WhiteRabbit, what did you tell her to do?
[08:53] <WhiteRabbit> check the system events logs
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> ya
[08:53] <WhiteRabbit> whats the boot log say
[08:53] <WhiteRabbit> daemon logs etc...
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> its weird tho wickedpuppy
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> * WhiteRabbit
[08:53] <wickedpuppy> whats weird ?
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> cos it said : [ ok ]
[08:53] <WhiteRabbit> wickedpuppy, him lol
[08:53] <wickedpuppy> lol
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> stupid script
[08:53] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: how do I check the logs?
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> cd /var/log
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> less acpid
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> less hald
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> etc
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> thats how you checl
[08:54] <CaiN_SA> WhiteRabbit, i cant type fast my pc is dead slow becoz im cloop compressing an image
[08:54] <WhiteRabbit> CaiN_SA, if you say so
[08:54] <CaiN_SA> so ya
[08:54] <WhiteRabbit> lol
[08:54] <CaiN_SA> it will take ages
[08:54] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, /usr/bin/system-logviewer
[08:54] <CaiN_SA> load average: 1.97, 1.77, 1.19
[08:55] <CaiN_SA> see
[08:55] <CaiN_SA> 1ghz p3 machine
[08:55] <WhiteRabbit> I don't care if you PC can't hold its own
[08:55] <WhiteRabbit> lol
[08:55] <fluffybunny_> CaiN_SA: sudo ls -lha /var/run/ ---> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2032
[08:55] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit:  /usr/bin/system-logviewer ----> /usr/bin/system-logviewer: No such file or directory