[00:03] <TJ-> trinode: something like this to add the entry: "sudo DEVICE=/dev/sda PART_NUMBER=1 sh -c 'efibootmgr -c -d $DEVICE -p $PART_NUMBER -l /EFI/shellx64.efi -L "EDK2 EFI Shell" '  "
[00:04] <trinode> TJ-: is that on the CD?
[00:05] <trinode> (the efi file)
[00:05] <TJ-> trinode: No, you'll need to download it
[00:06] <TJ-> trinode: " wget http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi?format=raw "
[00:07] <TJ-> trinode: " wget -O shellx64.efi http://sourceforge.net/p/edk2/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi?format=raw "
[00:07] <trinode> wasn't ed2k a file sharing thing?
[00:09] <TJ-> I suspect you're thinking of eDonkey
[00:09] <trinode> that's the one
[00:10] <TJ-> EDK == EFI Development Kit
[00:11] <trinode> so drop that into /boot/efi/EFI?
[00:11] <trinode> or in /boot/efi?
[00:12] <TJ-> trinode: "/boot/efi/EFI/" if I recall correctly
[00:13] <TJ-> trinode: Assuming you've got the EFI system partition already mounted at /boot/efi/
[00:13] <trinode> yep
[00:17] <trinode> TJ-: that won't start either
[00:17] <TJ-> Does the menu item appear?
[00:17] <trinode> it does
[00:17] <TJ-> trinode: Is Secure Boot disabled?
[00:17] <trinode> WTF
[00:17] <trinode> it works if i enable CSM
[00:18] <trinode> surely I shouldn't need legacy mode for that shell?
[00:18] <TJ-> Hmmm, maybe on that system enabling CSM is a subtle way of saying "disable Secure Boot"
[00:18] <trinode> nah, that's a seperate option
[00:18] <TJ-> Indeed not - if the Shell loads, it must be using EFI
[00:19] <trinode> it's sort of a hybrid mode
[00:19] <trinode> you have efi stuff plus bios stuff
[00:19] <TJ-> CSM could still be tied to Secure Boot ... there's a lot of buggy EFIs out there
[00:19] <trinode> you have legacy -> uefi + csm -> uefi only
[00:20] <trinode> if you install ubuntu in uefi + csm it installs in BIOS mode
[00:20] <trinode> (grub-pc and all)
[00:21] <trinode> TJ-: one thing the path for the efi file needed to use \\ not /
[00:23] <TJ-> trinode: efibootmgr is supposed to translate the / to \
[00:24] <TJ-> But the shell can do that too, at least I seem to recall it handling the translation last time I was using it
[00:24] <trinode> TJ-: I made 2 entries just in case
[00:24] <trinode> one doesn't work
[00:25] <TJ-> Anyhow, once in the shell you can use the "help" command to see all the available commands, and "help <command> "
[00:26] <TJ-> I used the shell to then manually launch grub's EFI bootloader
[00:26] <TJ-> But now you've figured out that CSM toggle issue I suppose grub will also start
[00:27] <trinode> TJ-: grub does start (I knew CSM made grub work already, but thought it was something daft like grub was setting graphics modes with vesa commands or something)
[00:27] <trinode> TJ-: it will break as soon as I run update-grub
[00:28] <trinode> (I've done this many times today
[00:28] <trinode> )
[00:28] <TJ-> Hmmm! something weird about the installation then!
[00:29] <trinode> is there a way to see what update-grub is about to do?
[00:29] <TJ-> Have you verified the obvious issues like, the disk uses GPT, the 1st partition is FAT32 256MB-512MB in size, type EF00 ?
[00:30] <TJ-> trinode: It re-writes /boot/grub/grub.cfg based on the rules scripts in /etc/grub.d/
[00:30] <trinode> oh damn
[00:31] <trinode> I've saved the contents of /boot/efi to compare
[00:31] <trinode> that's just not good enough :)
[00:33] <trinode> so, how confident are you that if I copy /boot/grub/grub.cfg and run update-grub and then restore the file I'll still have a bootable system?
[00:33] <TJ-> Without seeing the system configuration, and the current grub.cfg, 0%
[00:34] <trinode> hehe
[00:34] <trinode> one more reinstall won't hurt
[00:36] <trinode> hmm, it didn't touch that file
[00:36] <trinode> (md5 not changed)
[00:36] <TJ-> How about the time/date stamp?
[00:36] <TJ-> contents could well be identical, it doesn't insert a timestamp inside the file
[00:37] <trinode> yeah timestamp changed
[00:37] <trinode> so what else does it do?
[00:42] <TJ-> Identify the root cause of the problem. Does the system reach the grub boot menu when you hold Shift down? If not, that infers that the grubx64.efi has a problem
[00:44] <trinode> ubuntu points to shimx64.efi not grub is that correct?
[00:45] <TJ-> Yes, that's the signed (Secure Boot) bootloader that then loads grubx64.efi
[00:46] <trinode> TJ-: since doing that _nothing_ boots
[00:46] <trinode> not even the shell
[00:47] <TJ-> Something wrong with that systems firmware config by the sound of it? what make/model is it?
[00:47] <trinode> Lenovo L540
[00:49] <TJ-> Is the drive an SSD?
[00:49] <dw1> hmm gnome-screensaver still locking up the screen at interval even with activity.. weird
[00:49] <trinode> TJ-: yes
[00:50] <trinode> you thinking of the brick bug?
[00:50] <dw1> before it was because it was loading twice on unplug/replug due to an outdated app, jupiter, which i removed, now just one process
[00:50] <dw1> guess ill just restart it :/
[00:52] <TJ-> trinode: Yes, have you tried "...go into BIOS setup and disable Intel Rapid Start Technology.  This setting is in the Config -> Power menu of BIOS Setup."
[00:52] <trism> dw1: do you mean like bug 1291365 ?
[00:53] <dw1> trism: no, just one lock screen, but its not detecting activity so goes off every 10 mins
[00:56] <trinode> TJ-: it's booting again
[00:56] <trinode> just need to change the boot order, that shell's no good for checking my email
[00:57] <TJ-> trinode: You mean the grub/Ubuntu install is working now?
[00:58] <trinode> yep and the shell
[00:58] <trism> dw1: I'm seeing several bugs like that on gnome-screensaver but they all seem to happen as: unlock the screen, use the computer for a couple minutes, it locks itself again
[00:58] <trinode> but the shell is default, so just changing that now
[00:59] <dw1> trism: mines 10 mins on the regular
[01:01] <trinode> WTF
[01:01] <trinode> grr
[01:01] <trinode> dead again
[01:03] <trinode> ok, turning ON rapid start got it to boot again
[01:03] <trinode> this is insane
[01:05] <trinode> I get one boot everytime I toggle that setting
[01:07] <TJ-> trinode: Any firmware updates available for that system?
[01:07] <trinode> I applied the update when I got it
[01:07] <trinode> (3 days ago)
[01:08] <TJ-> trinode: Looks like a system issue rather than a bootloader or OS
[01:09] <dw1> trism: yeah actually what you quotes sounds right, if my interval were to be set lower
[01:10] <dw1> trism: oh a few seconds?  no...
[01:11] <dw1> trism: maybe itll work itself out.  i think restarting the service fixes it
[01:11] <dw1> trism: which does make it seem like it could be related to that bug
[01:12] <dw1> trism: maybe it starts when i go away for a bit and come back, for example
[01:14] <trism> dw1: yeah I'm not really sure, trying to reproduce it but not having much luck, generally I have blanking disabled (and locking too) and then just manually lock it when I walk away and haven't seen a problem
[01:17] <dw1> where can i adjust the screensaver/blanking settings in 14.04?  feel dumb for not finding it
[01:18] <trism> dw1: System Settings/Brightness and Lock
[01:18] <dw1> only 7 icons in System Settings now, I guess thats normal
[01:18] <dw1> oh no i dont have that
[01:18] <dw1> hmm
[01:19] <trism> strange, are you running gnome-control-center or unity-control-center?
[01:19] <trism> dw1: they were split apart in 14.04
[01:19] <dw1> i upgraded from 13.10 running gnome
[01:20] <dw1> /usr/bin/gnome-control-center.real is running
[01:21] <trism> dw1: so you're using gnome-shell? or flashback?
[01:22] <dw1> gnome-session-fallback on 13.10, seems to still be there
[01:23] <dw1> no gnome-shell
[01:23] <trism> dw1: it's there but it is only transitional for flashback now, which is basically just renamed fallback
[01:24] <trism> dw1: hmm I am seeing the brightness and lock in gnome-control-center on flashback too
[01:24] <dw1> well i logged in after upgrade without a hiccup, so im happy, but yeah apparently missing some icons
[01:25] <trism> dw1: do you have /usr/share/applications/gnome-screen-panel.desktop ?
[01:26] <dw1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9bqvck1kersftn7/shot.png
[01:26] <dw1> yep
[01:27] <trism> dw1: if you run: gnome-control-center screen; does it load up or show the main screen and print an error to the terminal?
[01:27] <dw1> 1 min, some updates running
[01:28] <dw1> seems nothing happens......
[01:28] <dw1> i should reboot for updates i guess
[01:28] <dw1> it has been a little while since last reboot
[01:31] <basketball> what is the most accurate ocr
[01:34] <dw1> trism: ok yeah, gnome-control-center screen loads the System Settings menu, but with a warning that it couldnt find the panel 'screen'
[01:35] <trinode> TJ-: thanks for all your help
[01:36] <trinode> I've made a video showing it only boots after you change a setting in the bios (UEFI) screen and fails to boo if not
[01:36] <TJ-> trinode: you're welcome
[01:36] <trism> dw1: hey I notice that if I remove unity-control-center mine gnome-control-center looks almost like yours
[01:36] <trinode> posting it on the lenovo forums when it's uploaded
[01:36] <trism> dw1: do you have unity-control-center installed? it would seem like you shouldn't need it if not using unity but...
[01:36] <dw1> trism: i do have that package
[01:39] <dw1> trism: there were a few errors on upgrade i suppose
[01:39] <dw1> trism: i didnt write em all down tho :)
[01:40] <dw1> trism: they scrolled by and out of the way rather fast
[01:43] <trism> dw1: what is: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP;
[01:43] <dw1> trism: it says Unity
[01:45] <trism> dw1: mine too which is weird but, if you try: XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center; do you see more icons?
[01:46] <dw1> trism: yep a lot more :)
[01:47] <dw1> trism: think you nailed it
[01:47] <dw1> trism: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5v7d7johtpdgze1/shot2.png
[01:50] <trism> dw1: ahh this is why flashback as Unity as the session: bug 1224217
[01:50] <dw1> trism: why do your icons show even with Unity as the desktop? :-/
[01:51] <dw1> trism: i had to ask. :P
[01:51] <trism> dw1: yeah, are you sure unity-control-panel is installed? I only get what you're seeing when I remove it but keep the Unity session var
[01:52] <dw1> trism: oh no im not sure.  i have unity-control-center, not panel
[01:52] <dw1> trism: E: Unable to locate package unity-control-panel
[01:53] <trism> dw1: sorry that was my mistake I meant unity-control-center
[01:54] <dw1> trism: yep.. rc  unity-control-center                                        14.04.3+14.04.20140328-0ubuntu1
[01:54] <trism> dw1: and strange, then I'm really not sure why it isn't showing up by default
[01:54] <trism> dw1: oh rc means uninstalled
[01:54] <dw1> trism: installing :)
[01:54] <trism> dw1: removed but not purged
[01:54] <dw1> trism: odd, i didnt remove it. good to know that
[01:56] <dw1> trism: and resetting the var back to Unity the icons are there. good
[01:56] <dw1> trism: thanks
[01:57] <dw1> trism: now i might lower my screen timings to try to get a bead on the screensaver issue, if it still exists
[02:16] <basketball> anyone here use koding.com for a vm
[02:18] <holstein> basketball: ask in a proper support channel for that product
[02:18] <basketball> yea i know my bad i reasked in #vbox
[05:40] <vkkhurava> I want to get back my original kernel on ubuntu 14.04.. earlier on 13.10 I switched it to general due to wi-fi issue
[05:40] <vkkhurava> *generic
[05:50] <odinsbane> baloo seems broken, and I would be really impressed if it is ready to go when 14.04 is released.
[05:50] <vkkhurava> I want to get back my original kernel on ubuntu 14.04.. earlier on 13.10 I switched it to generic due to wi-fi issue
[05:50] <vkkhurava> pls help
[05:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: did you try the mainline kernels?
[05:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: you can d/load the one you need and install it via dpkg.
[05:51] <vkkhurava> i dont know what is mainline kernels
[05:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: Or, what is the problem with your wifi? Maybe somebody has fixed that?
[05:52] <odinsbane> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[05:52] <odinsbane> ^ that is mainline. Youll need to d/load 3 or 4 files for your architecture.
[05:52] <vkkhurava> earlier on 13.04 & 13.10 there was issue with wifi ... but later resolved replacing kernel with Generic
[05:53] <odinsbane> I don't know what that means 'replacing kernel with Generic', generic is the default kernel that comes with ubuntu.
[05:54] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: maybe you installed backports?
[05:54] <vkkhurava> sorry but as per my understanding ubuntu provide kernel as 3.X.X.X but i have 3.13.0-20-generic
[05:55] <vkkhurava> I am new with linux so I dont know abut backports
[05:56] <odinsbane> Do you know which kernel was working for you?
[05:56] <vkkhurava> yes its 3.13.0-20-generic
[05:56] <odinsbane> and which one do you have now?
[05:57] <vkkhurava> the same one
[06:20] <vkkhurava> Hi, I am using mainline kernel and I want to switch back with original built -in kernel on ubuntu 14.04, pls suggest or help
[06:20] <hyde> could someone test this command:
[06:20] <hyde> echo | patch -pq
[06:21] <hyde> ...because it segfaults for me
[06:21] <hyde> actually, just: patch -pq
[06:21] <hyde> is enough, it will segfault before starting to read from stdin
[06:22] <hyde> ...and patch command throwing segfault for invalid command line parameters... WTF?
[06:22] <dw1> same
[06:23] <hyde> so not just me, good
[06:23] <hyde> (means, my system is not botched somehow)
[06:23] <dw1> perhaps.... >:)
[06:24] <hyde> hopefully it is just patch, and not libc or something
[06:25] <hyde> (doesn't happen on Fedora19, for example, don't have non-beta Ubuntu handy to test)
[06:25] <dw1> seems p needs an integer
[06:26] <dw1> but yeah, not very graceful
[06:26] <dw1> i have another system but not gonna boot it just for that. :p
[06:27] <vkkhurava> I am using mainline kernel and I want to switch back with original built -in kernel on ubuntu 14.04, pls suggest
[06:27] <hyde> vkkhurava: suggestion: just install the kernel package?
[06:28] <hyde> apt-get install linux-image
[06:28] <vkkhurava> Ok so that will replace my mainline kernel ?
[06:29] <hyde> it will add a new kernel. if you've messed with grub, you may need to do some manual configuration under /etc/default/grub and/or /etc/grub.d
[06:30] <hyde> it shouldn't replace your current kernel. probalbly
[06:30] <hyde> (and you shouldn't just "replace" it, install new one and verify it works and only then remove old kernels, their modules etc
[06:31] <hyde> vkkhurava: btw, this might not be the best channel, since your question has nothing to do with Ubuntu 14.04 specifically, I think?
[06:31] <vkkhurava> then wht is the use of installing new or adding new kernel... if its also installing generic one
[06:32] <hyde> vkkhurava: some other #ubuntu... channle might be better
[06:32] <vkkhurava> hyde: earlier I was on another ubuntu channel and they suggeted for this one
[06:32] <vkkhurava> yes #ubuntu referred me to here
[06:33] <vkkhurava> coz I am running on 14.04
[06:33] <vkkhurava> hyde : so again i m ground zero installing or adding new kernel will also be mainline, right ?
[06:34] <hyde> ah... well, the procedure should be same, I don't think 14.04 changes anything for your issue. (note, not ubuntu dev, not even regular on this channel, so anything I say might be horribly misguided)
[06:35] <vkkhurava> is there any link from where I can download original ubuntu kernel and that will replace my generic or mainline using dpkg
[06:36] <vkkhurava> rather then going for a fresh 14.04 OS installation
[06:36] <dw1> vkkhurava: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/kernel/ maybe
[06:37] <hyde> vkkhurava: apt-cache search linux-image
[06:38] <dw1> vkkhurava: the 'original' or 'standard' is 3.13.0-23-generic
[06:39] <vkkhurava> apt-cache search linux-image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> alsa-base - ALSA driver configuration files
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.13.0-23-lowlatency - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-extra-3.13.0-23-generic - Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-extra-virtual - Transitional package.
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-quantal - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-raring - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-saucy - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-lts-trusty - Generic Linux kernel image
[06:39] <hyde> vkkhurava: please don't do that
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-lowlatency - lowlatency Linux kernel image
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-server - Transitional package.
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-virtual - This package will always depend on the latest minimal generic kernel image.
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-virtual - Minimal Generic Linux kernel and headers
[06:39] <hyde> if you have more than like 2-3 lines, use pastebin
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-generic-pae - Transitional package
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-lowlatency-pae - Transitional package
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.4.0-3-goldfish - Linux kernel image for version 3.4.0 on Android touch emulation
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-goldfish - Linux kernel image for the goldfish kernel.
[06:39] <hyde> and paste the link to pastebin
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-extra-3.13.0-20-generic - Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.12.0-031200-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.12.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> linux-image-3.13.0-20-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[06:39] <vkkhurava> sorry but i dint know where is this pastbin
[06:40] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <vkkhurava> i am using standalone version of xchat
[06:40] <hyde> there are a bunch of services. "original" may have been pastebin.com or .org, hence the name (speculating, not sure of history)
[06:40] <vkkhurava> dwl : OK so ubuntu 14.04 comes with generic only as of now, is it ?
[06:40] <hyde> it's a web service, use it with your browser
[06:41] <hyde> (some irce clients have support, and suggest using pastebin when you try to paste too large snippet, and do it all automatically for you, but that's just convenience)
[06:41] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: maybe you should actually address the problem, and not your proposed solution to the problem.
[06:43] <dw1> vkkhurava: dont know, but thats what i got on standard system
[06:44] <vkkhurava> hmmm OK then... I hv no issue but earlier when I go to ubuntu for support they said u r using mainline or generic kernel which is out of suppirt
[06:44] <vkkhurava> *support
[06:44] <bazhang> using the 14.04 kernel on 13.10?
[06:45] <vkkhurava> 13.10
[06:45] <dw1> he used custom kernel in 13.10.. wouldnt it be updated automatically on upgrade?
[06:45] <ikonia> you are not meant to mix kernel versions betwen distros
[06:45] <bazhang> once he leaves package management
[06:46] <dw1> vkkhurava: type uname-a what kernel you got
[06:46] <odinsbane> dw1: the default kernel still gets upgraded, but grub will select the highest installed version by default.
[06:46] <dw1> vkkhurava: uname -a in terminal
[06:46] <vkkhurava> Linux VKKHPG6 3.13.0-20-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 28 09:56:33 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:47] <dw1> i guess it will update to 3.13.0-23-generic when you run software updater
[06:47] <dw1> that looks normal, not custom
[06:47] <ikonia> shouldn't update
[06:47] <dw1> oh, thats what i got from auto-updates
[06:47] <ikonia> so it won't have anywhere to update from
[06:47] <ikonia> that kernel did not come from the right repo
[06:48] <dw1> k, nevermind
[06:48] <vkkhurava> hmmm OK but on 13.10 I replaced standard kernel with generic one.. using below link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/393445/wifi-keeps-disconnecting-on-13-10
[06:48] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: they are all generic.
[06:49] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: the number is what is important. eg 3.10 vs 3.13 which you have installed.
[06:50] <vkkhurava> Odinsbane : then what you are suggesting me to do.. should i live with it or do i need to replace them with standard one.... this is my only question
[06:50] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: if you don't have any problems, then leave it.
[06:51] <vkkhurava> Odinsbane : as of now I dont hv but I dont want to hear that u r using generic and we are not supporting it
[06:51] <vkkhurava> thats it :-)
[06:51] <ikonia> vkkhurava: you've used a kernal that is not meant for your distro - no-one will support that
[06:51] <ikonia> vkkhurava: however if you need it to fix a bug and it's working - then you should be fine
[06:51] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: grub should give you the option to boot to any of the installed kernels on your system.
[06:51]  * hyde is a bit confused what people mean when they say "mainline", "standard", "generic", "custom" etc when talking about kernels above, but if it's clear to everybody else then no problem
[06:52] <dw1> all my kernel packages are generic and not custom at all
[06:52] <ikonia> hyde: it's just wording, some people describe it differnt
[06:52] <vkkhurava> ikonia : but i want standard one not generic
[06:52] <ikonia> vkkhurava: the standard one is -generic
[06:53] <vkkhurava> then why will no one will support that
[06:53] <odinsbane> hyde: mainline compiles kernels for ubuntu.
[06:53] <ikonia> vkkhurava: because that kernel is not meant for your distro
[06:54] <vkkhurava> ikonia : can u pls suggest a way to get same version which meant for my distro
[06:54] <ikonia> vkkhurava: you can't
[06:54] <ikonia> (not from supported methods)
[06:55] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: what sort of support do you want?
[06:55] <vkkhurava> ikonia : that mean I hv to re-format my machine
[06:55] <ikonia> no, who said that ??
[06:55] <vkkhurava> as u r saying I cant get same version
[06:55] <ikonia> I'm saying you have installed a kernel from an unsupported method/repo
[06:56] <ikonia> you are still welcome to use it
[06:56] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: odds are you have the normal kernel installed on your system. You can boot with it anytime you like.
[06:56] <ikonia> or revert to the original kernel
[06:56] <hyde> odinsbane: "mainline compiles" == "mainline does compiling"? what? or did I misunderstand? If not, then what/who is "mainline" here?
[06:56] <vkkhurava> and how can i revert that
[06:56] <ikonia> hyde: people in the ubuntu project who maintain the unpatched mainline build of the kernel for benchmark/baseline testing
[06:56] <dw1> cant he just install this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic/download
[06:57] <hyde> ikonia: ok, thanks, good to know
[06:57] <ikonia> dw1: he's not using trusty
[06:57] <dw1> ikonia: yeah he upgraded
[06:57] <dw1> vkkhurava: right
[06:57] <ikonia> no, he's still on 13.10
[06:57] <ikonia> just dumped the mainline kernel on it
[06:57] <ikonia> unless I've missunderstood
[06:57] <ikonia> he got sent to this channel wrongly it appears
[06:58] <vkkhurava> no I m on 14.04
[06:58] <dw1> he had custom 13.10 and upgraded
[06:58] <dw1> so he's fine
[06:58] <dw1> just needs to run software updater right
[06:58] <ikonia> oh. you've upgraded fully
[06:58] <ikonia> that's perfect then, remove the PPA for the mainline kernel, boot from the trusty default kernel and run the update process
[06:59] <odinsbane> ikonia: I don't think he added the ppa, from the link he just downloaded the .deb's and installed them.
[06:59] <ikonia> ok, then boot from trusty kernel, remove deb installed mainline kernel, run update process
[06:59] <vkkhurava> yes exactly
[07:00] <odinsbane> plus from the uname -a he has booted from the trusty kernel, but it is a little bit outdated.
[07:00] <dw1> on upgrade all my non-standard ppas were disabled automatically
[07:00] <ikonia> if he removes any reference to the mainline kernel, and update should be fine
[07:00] <dw1> maybe its the same for kernels
[07:00] <ikonia> dw1: it doesn't remove the packages
[07:00] <vkkhurava> which option I need to select from grub for booting in trusty kernel
[07:01] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: you are in the trusty kernel.
[07:01] <vkkhurava> OK
[07:01] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: the mainline ones use a slightly different numbering scheme.
[07:02] <vkkhurava> then should i remove those kernels which I installed for wifi issue using that link
[07:02] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: it will free up about 200megs, but it isn't nescessary.
[07:02] <vkkhurava> hmmm ok...
[07:02] <dw1> did 13.10 kernels have the -generic suffix?  if not, then that would explain why they said they dont support it in #ubuntu
[07:03] <dw1> but they will support it there in 6 days
[07:03] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: also, there are a couple kernel packages, if you remove the wrong one you might have some trouble getting back.
[07:04] <vkkhurava> OK then I am not going to mess up with the things until i face any problem... thx for support
[07:06] <hyde> btw, if someone wants to take a look at the patch crash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7233796/
[07:06] <hyde> is that gl_.... from glib? since when has patch used glib?
[07:07] <odinsbane> vkkhurava: #ubuntu will be reluctant to help you because 14.04 is not released, not because of your kernel.
[07:07] <hyde> isn't it a program which predates glib by ages?
[07:08] <vkkhurava> OK
[07:08] <odinsbane> hyde: there is an error about the 'q' are your cmd line arguments correct.
[07:09] <hyde> odinsbane: point is, it *throws segfault*
[07:09] <hyde> for invalid command line argument
[07:10] <hyde> odinsbane: at least on fedora19 it does not, I bet also on sufficiently older ubuntus it does not
[07:10] <hyde> so I'm curious, why has it been broken?
[07:10] <dw1> -p<anything not numeric> = crash
[07:10] <hyde> s/been/become/
[07:10] <odinsbane> My only linux here is f20, and it is fine also.
[07:10] <rww> hyde: you have filed a bug?
[07:11] <hyde> nope, just noticed
[07:11] <rww> probably best to do that then :)
[07:11] <hyde> rww: can you give me the right link?
[07:12] <rww> i believe you run "ubuntu-bug patch"
[07:12] <rww> so that it can collect package version and such
[07:13] <hyde> that gives no way to actually tell what the problem is
[07:13] <rww> it'll open a web browser for you to type that
[07:20] <hyde> bug report done
[07:20] <hyde> ...and I hope some serious look is taken into whatever has been done to patch
[07:20] <hyde> I mean, also other code introduced when this bug was introduced
[07:21] <hyde> ...especially in this age of NSA paranoia
[07:21] <hyde> because, I could see how a crafted bug in patch could be used to introduce unintended changes
[07:22] <hyde> (and no, i don't actually *believe* anything like that is going on, but I don't like believeing, I like knowing)
[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:28] <dw1> hyde: pretty sure patch is rarely used by most ubuntu users so not a great way to exploit systems but i may be wrong
[07:33] <hyde> dw1: it's not a generic "everybody would be affected" risk, but it could maybe be used for targeted attacks. Quite often patch commands are copy-pasted from some howto's, for example, by people who don't really understand the command.
[07:34] <dw1> i only have a 12.10 system and it doesn't segfault, so it happened in some version after that http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=patch
[07:35] <hyde> it's quite hypothetical, I agree, even if it'd be possible to exploit
[07:35] <dw1> only have an alternate 12.10 system*
[07:38] <dw1> guess i should upgrade that badboy soon :)
[07:39] <hyde> I'm quite proud of a laptop at home, which originally god installed with 9.04, is now at 12.04, and is soon to be upgraded to 14.04
[07:39] <hyde> "soon" as in probably at 14.04.1
[07:40] <dw1> nice
[07:40] <hyde> it's also got dual boot Windows Vista, which is also working flawlessly ;)
[07:41] <hyde> (for a definition of "flawless" which allows Windows installation to be such)
[07:41] <dw1> any oxymoron.. :P
[07:41] <dw1> an*
[10:09] <hubuntu> is there such a thing as MOTUs anymore?
[10:14] <geser> yes, there are still some MOTUs there
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:41] <husnainlatif> mornin' BluesKaj
[10:41] <bekks> hi BluesKaj
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hi husnainlatif, bekks
[10:43] <BluesKaj> big upgrade this morning
[10:56] <Koma> one week to the big day uh?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Koma, yeah, next thursday
[12:31] <jjavaholic> how can I move Minimize/Maximize/Close buttons back to the right?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> jjavaholic, use a different theme
[12:34] <jjavaholic> using the gnome-tweak-tool to do so?
[12:34] <bekks> No need for the gnome-tweak-tool
[12:35] <BluesKaj> afaik, but if you're using unity then, I have no clue.
[12:37] <jjavaholic> I'm using unity
[12:38]  * BluesKaj forgets which chat he's in sometimes...old age is catching up to me :)
[16:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> Are things still on schedule for a final release on the 17th for trusty? Just curious...
[16:18] <bekks> Yes.
[16:24] <GiGaHuRtZ> bekks: thanks.
[17:02] <robotti^> how to enable enchanced desktop zoom in ubuntu 14.04? it seems does not work anymore.
[17:04] <robotti^> it does not work with two monitors
[17:04] <robotti^> but it works single monitor
[17:05] <holstein> i would probably make sure when i was using 2 monitors, i was using the same driver as before, and that the driver is 3d capable
[17:06] <robotti^> I am using nvidia proprietary driver
[17:06] <robotti^> it just does not work with mirroring
[17:06] <robotti^> but it will work with dual monitor setting and single monitor setting. but when mirroring it does not work
[17:06] <holstein> robotti^: sure, but if the "issue" is with the proprietary driver, that may be the place to start addressing it
[17:06] <robotti^> I have not tested with open driver
[17:12] <robotti^> holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/235768
[17:13] <holstein> doesnt seem like what you had described.. but, if its your issue, good find
[17:19] <robotti^> maybe it does not matter really
[17:19] <robotti^> because it affects only clone mode
[17:19] <robotti^> mirror/clone
[18:04] <rohan> hi: there is a pretty severe bug affecting intel GPUs on 14.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1282867
[18:04] <rohan> can someone look at it and tell if it needs any more info?
[18:12] <sandGorgon> i want to personally thank the person who fixed two-button scroll emulation in 14.04 - gawd my 6 year laptop works like a mac
[18:13] <rohan> sandGorgon: what is 2 button scroll emulation?
[18:22] <sandGorgon> rohan, I have an old dell latitude laptop - with a crappy touchpad. but now I can use two fingers to scroll through pages - just like on a mac. probably newer laptops have multitouch trackpads.. but mine doesnt. so it uses emulation to trick it.
[18:23] <rohan> i am pretty sure synaptics supports 2 finger scrolling even on the oldest laptops and touchpads
[18:23] <rohan> there is no emulation going on
[18:24] <sandGorgon> rohan, aha - but I dont have synaptics now, do I !!! some crappy alps... which is why I'm truly grateful for whoever fixed that code
[18:25] <rohan> ah no idea about alps, but i don't think any emulation can happen for number of fingers
[18:25] <rohan> anyway, glad it's working for you! sandGorgon
[18:26] <sandGorgon> rohan, fyi check out the EmulateTwoFingerMinW synclient option
[18:27] <rohan> ah, learnt something new today sandGorgon , thanks!
[18:51] <quem> i thought rc1 was due yesterday?
[18:51] <quem> or is yesterday's daily == rc1?
[19:15] <Pici> I don't see a testing milestone for an RC.
[19:24] <mardan> hi should I be doing something with:
[19:25] <mardan>  warning: Sector 32 is already in use by the program `FlexNet'; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track.
[19:33] <hydruid> I'm dying for 14.04 to be released
[19:33] <hydruid> lol
[19:33] <jjavaholic> I'm still not sure about the local menu
[19:34] <jjavaholic> I can see the benefit if you have a huge monitor
[19:34] <hydruid> jjavaholic: you can turn it off and on though right?
[19:34] <jjavaholic> what will happen to the empty space where the global menu was?
[19:34] <jjavaholic> just now yes
[19:35] <jjavaholic> i'm thinking long term though
[19:35] <jjavaholic> I have always liked having a taskbar
[19:35] <hydruid> jjavaholic: most likely whenyou turn it off it will look like it did before
[19:35] <hydruid> the taskbar is always there, whether it's on or not
[19:35] <jjavaholic> but it is now lots of empty space
[19:36] <jjavaholic> I might try and fill up all the space with useless indicators applets
[19:36] <hydruid> jjavaholic: it's always empty space, or has been with unity, until you "hover" over it
[19:37] <trism> hydruid: it's pretty much all empty now though if you move the menus into the app windows with the new feature in 14.04
[19:39] <jjavaholic> if you move the windows around alot the local menu seems to flicker on and off as it can't decide what you wanted
[19:40] <trism> jjavaholic: ha didn't notice that before
[19:41] <trism> jjavaholic: bug 1289907
[20:16] <TJ-> bekks: Good to see there's a resolution to your GRUB issue, and we were on the right track
[20:17] <johnjohn101> less than six days.  :)
[20:20] <jtaylor> I wonder if lvm snapshots still break grub
[20:21] <jtaylor> yes :(
[20:23] <bekks> TJ-: Yeah, thats really good to see :) Thank you again for your time spent with guiding me yesterday :)
[20:24] <bekks> No I just have to see when that fix is published actually :)
[20:24] <bekks> Do I have a chance which exact package version is included in a daily build?
[20:32] <jjavaholic> notifyOSD config bottom right questionable positioning of notices
[20:33] <jjavaholic> can't place noticies on the bottom right corner anymore
[20:36] <trism> jjavaholic: when were you able to? for as long as I can remember your options were top-right or center-right
[20:37] <jjavaholic> it still worked in 13.10
[20:37] <jjavaholic> I might have forgotten to reenable the ppa for it
[20:37] <jjavaholic> i'll try that later
[20:38] <TJ-> bekks: Yes, or you could manually create the device.map as a workaround from a script in the kickstart file
[20:38] <trism> jjavaholic: yeah you must have been using a modified version
[20:38] <bekks> Yeah, that sounds like a reasonable workaround. :)
[20:39] <bekks> Now I'm struggling with launchpad again - I set #1292628 to "This bug affects me" but I dont see that bug when clicking on "Affecting bugs" :(
[20:40] <nf7> How long does apt-get update take for you guys? I just freshly installed 14.04 and it's taking upwards of 5 minutes each time. Is that normal? Debian took about 30 seconds for me with all the default sources.
[20:40] <hydruid> nf7: it seems to take 1-2 minutes for me at most, sometimes slower/faster than others
[20:41] <hydruid> nf7: did you install from the daily build?
[20:41] <trism> bekks: it won't show bugs that are fix released unless you go to advanced search
[20:42] <bekks> trism: Ah, thank you.
[20:42] <Nukien> Anyone know of a source for a minimalCD for 14.04 ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD doesn't list it yet.
[20:43] <bekks> trism: Is there a way to safe my search preferences?
[20:45] <trism> bekks: not that I know of, would be nice though I am constantly having to show all open bugs and resort by number
[20:45] <bekks> :)
[20:55] <Oria> hi, I made a xinitrc file on ubuntu 14.04. It doesn't start...
[20:57] <Oria> how can i do that?
[20:58] <Oria> it's ~/.xinitrc I make a symbolic link .xsession but doesn't works
[21:06] <Oria> I tested a touch /tmp/test_xinitrc and file was created so, xinitrc works but doesn't run command inside
[21:08] <lordievader> Oria: What command are you trying to run from the xinitrc script?
[21:09] <Oria> xsetwacom --set "Wacom Intuos5 touch M Finger touch" touch off
[21:09] <Oria> xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
[21:09] <Oria> these commands inside have already worked, why...
[21:10] <lordievader> Is the DISPLAY variable set? (Honestly I don't have experience with xinitrc scripts, but this might help ;))
[21:17] <Oria> lordievader: I never needed to set DISPLAY to xinitrc :/
[21:19] <lordievader> Oria: As I said, I have no experience with it. I'd say xorg should set the variable. But it would be annoying if that where the fix and you'd missed it ;)
[21:21] <Oria> lordievader: yes I see, thx
[21:37] <Oria> hmm if I run these commands with autostart?
[21:42] <Oria> but gnome-session-properties doesn't exist
[22:02] <Oria> pb solved, I make files desktop in ~/.config/autostart/


[04:49] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:08] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:08] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[05:09] <jrgns> morning
[05:10] <jrgns> you good?
[05:17] <Kilos> yip ty and you?
[05:50] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:08] <Squirm> morning
[06:13] <jrgns> good thnx
[06:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn Squirm
[06:15] <Kilos> lo Tonberry
[06:15] <Tonberry> hallo
[06:16] <magespawn> hey Kilos, jrgns, Squirm ,Tonberry
[06:17] <jrgns> hey megaspawn
[06:50] <magespawn> Kilos do you still have the email address for vodacom ceo?
[06:55] <Kilos> sec ill find it for you
[06:55] <Kilos> he retired but new guy there
[06:58] <magespawn> that cool Kilos
[07:06] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[07:07] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:07] <Kilos> i think this is the new guy magespawn  Shameel Joosub
[07:07] <Kilos> havent found mail addy yet
[07:09] <Kilos> hes on twitter http://twitter.com/shameeljoosub
[07:09] <Kilos> and fb  http://www.facebook.com/shameel.joosub.7
[07:10] <Kilos> do you use them magespawn ?
[07:10] <Kilos> dont see a mail addy
[07:11] <Kilos> lost all the addies when i formatted ext to try get 12.04 to work on it
[07:13] <Kilos> go 8ta, service is much better, even the customer care peeps are more efficient
[07:16] <Kilos> oh i forgot
[07:16] <Kilos> Maaz, voda complaints
[07:16] <Maaz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:16] <Kilos> there you go magespawn
[07:16] <Kilos> thats to their top guys
[07:16] <Squirm> hmm
[07:16] <Kilos> hi hmm
[07:17] <Squirm> sounds like we're going to bond, 3x4Mb lines next year
[07:17] <Squirm> currently we have 1
[07:17] <Kilos> that can help
[07:18] <Squirm> maybe I should stay another year :P
[07:20] <Squirm> hmm
[07:21] <Squirm> make the 4x4Mb
[07:23] <Kilos> you planning on moving on Squirm
[07:23] <Kilos> were you?
[07:27] <DigiGram> good morning
[07:27] <DigiGram>  go 8ta, service is much better, even the customer care peeps are more efficient -->
[07:28] <DigiGram> last time we asked when 8ta will have coverage in Potch, the lady told us they are using the existing telephone poles, so they already have nation wide coverage
[07:28] <DigiGram> when asked how your cell will connect to the telephone line, she stopped and referred us to someone else lol
[07:30] <Kerbero> lol
[07:31] <Kilos> lol
[07:31] <Kilos> hi DigiGram Kerbero
[07:32] <Kilos> DigiGram, when you fone them talk to the data guys
[07:32] <Kilos> they ask where you stay and check if you have coverage there too
[07:32] <DigiGram> well, I'm off again, going to try running Clonezilla from a USB drive, my normal bootable USB does not want to boot it... hmmm
[07:33] <DigiGram> afterwards I've talked to them, no coverage for data here yet
[07:33] <Kilos> good luck
[07:33] <Kilos> aw
[07:33] <Kilos> they then share withmtn as well
[07:33] <DigiGram> Cell C only covered 3G here about 2 weeks ago
[07:33] <Kilos> dont you have cell coverage there
[07:34] <Kilos> where are you
[07:34] <DigiGram> Potchefstroom
[07:34] <DigiGram> MTN has great coverage here
[07:34] <DigiGram> even in the basements
[07:34] <Kilos> 8ta and mtn share
[07:34] <DigiGram> Cell C had good GSM coverage, only introduced 3G recently though
[07:34] <Kilos> where they dont have their own towers
[07:35] <Kilos> roaming i think they call it
[07:35] <DigiGram> oh cool, will have a look, I want something with good coverage for my iPad
[07:35] <DigiGram> oh yes, Cell C roams with Vodacom
[07:35] <magespawn> DigiGram did you use tuxboot to ser u0 the clonezilla?
[07:36] <Kilos> ya and when voda is busy the limit cellc users
[07:36] <magespawn> Kilos thank you
[07:36] <Kilos> been there done that
[07:36] <DigiGram> Cell C gave me a good contract, so I'm happy to stick it out with them
[07:36] <Kilos> np magespawn
[07:36] <DigiGram> YUMI from pendrivelinux.com magespawn
[07:37] <magespawn> let me know if it works, they reccommen tuxboot
[07:37] <DigiGram> I'll let you know, otherwise I'll try tuxboot
[07:40] <DigiGram> let me go try it, I need to get my installation over to a new harddrive and then need to clone the system, so here goes nothing
[07:41] <magespawn> good luck
[07:51] <DigiGram> okay, so Clonezilla boots, but I think I need to google it more to actually be able to use it lol
[07:52] <Kilos> lol
[08:27] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:38] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos, always wide awake I see
[08:39] <Kilos> except when im sleeping
[08:39] <Kilos> hehe
[08:40] <Vince-0> do you have IRC open on a screen always?
[08:40] <Kilos> yip on its own desktop
[08:40] <Kilos> workspace
[08:41] <Kilos> one whole workspace just for xchat
[09:36] <DigiGram> magespawn, YUMI worked great for Clonezilla, Just the one USB drive that does not want to boot on that specific PC
[09:38] <DigiGram> a question for you guys.. with all of the DE's around, what would give a nice spinn-off between performance and looks on 1GB ram, Centrino?? LXDE is good, but can't seem to customize it much, XFCE I just don't like, Unity, well, lets leave it at that, and KDE is way to slow, and I presume after 10.10 that just got worse
[09:41] <Kilos> lol
[09:41] <Kilos> 10.10 is/was great
[09:41] <DigiGram> I know the best performance will be on a newer PC, but my budget does not allow that at this moment
[09:42] <Kilos> have you looked at lubuntu
[09:42] <DigiGram> I actually loved KDE at work, but even with the Dual core and 2GB ram it had serious lag while using the browser and stuff like that
[09:43] <Kilos> or mint
[09:43] <DigiGram> I'm using lubuntu at home for now (LXDE) but I want to try something with a bit more beauty lol
[09:43] <DigiGram> I'll try mint, maybe I must set up a quick VM to test the two mint versions and see which I like more
[09:44] <Kilos> DigiGram, what connw=ection you using?
[09:44] <Kilos> whew
[09:44] <Kilos> connection
[09:45] <DigiGram> at home I have iBurst wireless, but here I'm on an Uncapped TENET line with this speed: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2120673249.png
[09:45] <DigiGram> and also most new distro's are cached on campus, so I can try anything
[09:46] <Kilos> if you like playing look at tinycorelinux
[09:46] <Kilos> methinks you can customise it to suit yourself
[09:47] <Kilos> needs cable connection to start off as you need to get everything for it
[09:47] <Kilos> the basic gui was quite cute
[09:48] <DigiGram> wow it actually looks nice
[09:48] <Kilos> and tons of packages are up there
[09:48] <Kilos> even xchat
[09:48] <DigiGram> I have tried puppy as well, the one based on ubuntu worked good for me, but I set it up as a PC-on-the-go on my USB drive, I prefer ubuntu at the heart of my computer
[09:49] <Kilos> lol thats why i am braving it out with unity
[09:50] <Kilos> tiny is very fast
[09:50] <DigiGram> I'm still dumb with linux, so I like something I can easily google, and I love apt-get
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:51] <DigiGram> tiny really looks good, I think I'll set it up in a VM, or maybe install to a USB drive
[09:51] <Kilos> thats an idea. it might even work on my 2g stick
[09:53] <DigiGram> I have on a 4GB stick AcronisAntimalwareScanCD, AVG Live CD, clonezilla, Hirens, SafeCD and Puppy Linux
[09:53] <DigiGram> it helps to have all of it in one place
[09:53] <Kilos> whew
[09:53] <DigiGram> with an image of the stick on my computer offcourse, IT WILL GO BAD sometime or another
[09:53] <Kilos> whats avg live
[09:54] <DigiGram> a LiveCD virus scanner
[09:54] <Kilos> avg is antivirus
[09:54] <Kilos> haha
[09:54] <Kilos> dont need that with linux
[09:54] <DigiGram> In a perfect world every person might use Linux, but around here I'm the only one, and I'm the pc go to guy
[09:54] <DigiGram> so I do need it often
[09:54] <Kilos> shame
[09:55] <Kilos> avast is better than avg
[09:55] <DigiGram> it depends
[09:55] <Kilos> avg really slows a pc down
[09:55] <DigiGram> in most scenario's avast was just a blob for me... I worked at IT helpdesk on campus, so I saw lots and lots of virusses
[09:56] <DigiGram> yeah but when you use a LiveCD you do not worry about Windows that slows the PC down, as it boots in a Linux environment
[09:56] <Kilos> ah
[10:17] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[10:26] <aquarat> Hi kilos :-)
[10:32] <superfly> too much backlog to read. Kilos you're being noisy again :-P
[10:32] <Kilos> ai sorry superfly
[10:33]  * Kilos sulks inna corner
[10:37] <Symmetria> dammit
[10:37] <Symmetria> 4th bird my dog has killed this morning
[10:38] <Kilos> feed him
[10:42] <Symmetria> lol
[10:42] <Symmetria> she doesnt wanna eat them
[10:42] <Symmetria> she just wants to chase anything that moves
[10:42] <Symmetria> birds, grasshoppers, moths, if its smaller than her, and it moves, its there to be hunted
[10:42] <Symmetria> and she's scarily good at it
[10:42] <Symmetria> :p
[10:43] <Kilos> lol
[10:44] <Symmetria> heh I watched her take out a bird this morning before I could stop her, she goes into this kinda leopard crawl pose and stalks the damn birds with infinite patience
[10:44] <Symmetria> till she is close enough and then wham, dead bird
[10:44] <Symmetria> and holy hell she's fast
[10:45] <Kilos> get a big pot and make wild bird soup for her supper
 you planning on moving on Squirm <-- Kilos: I'm looking to find a job in a linux field as a sys admin. so I want to continuously move in that direction. but I guess another year won't hurt. hopefully they'll have a better contract for me in the next month :P (Only had a 1 year contract but afaik it's being renewed)
[10:58] <Kilos> ah
[11:03] <magespawn> thanks DigiGram nice to know it works with others too.
[11:04] <DigiGram> jip, and it worked great, just didn't know the disk whereto I made the image had only 2GB free space, so I'm formatting then running it again after lunch
[12:29] <Squirm> Kilos: yesp
[12:29] <Squirm> yep*
[12:29] <Squirm> going to see what they offer me and if I can find something in a more appropriate line of work
[12:30] <Kilos> what are you doing there now?
[12:30] <Squirm> mainly technical support really
[12:31] <Squirm> maintenance, upgrades, installations
[12:31] <Kilos> well see what they offer first. work not easy to find at the mo
[12:31] <Squirm> yeah
[12:32] <Squirm> I like it here, even on the big stuff my input is taken into account
[12:32]  * _DigiGram_ is maybe moving to Cape Town for work...
[12:32] <_DigiGram_> to be a minnion
[12:32] <Squirm> might not be used, but it's not brushed aside and it is considered
[12:32] <Kilos> dig?
[12:33] <Kilos> DigiGram, ?
[12:33] <Kilos> when is your contract up Squirm
[12:33] <Kilos> minnion
[12:33] <Kilos> slave
[12:33] <DigiGram> that is nice to have such a position Squirm, a lot of places just follows their own head without concidering your input
[12:33] <DigiGram> yes Kilos?
[12:34] <Squirm> Kilos: it's up end of the year
[12:34] <Kilos> then make them think they cant do without you Squirm
[12:34] <Kilos> DigiGram, you got a job there already?
[12:35] <DigiGram> yip, just waiting for the contract
[12:35] <Kilos> and minnion?
[12:37] <DigiGram> lol nah I just meant over here I've got a good position in my company, but with no prospects of improving. now I'm going to be at the bottom of the bottoms on an oil rig...
[12:37] <Kilos> ah
[12:37] <Kilos> Maaz, define minion
[12:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Minion \Min"ion\, a. [See 2d {Minion}.] Fine; trim; dainty. [Obs.] "Their . . . minion dancing." --Fryth. [1913 Webster], Minion \Min"ion\, n. Minimum. [Obs.] --Burton. [1913 Webster], Minion \Min"ion\, n. [F. mignon, fr. OHG. minni love, G. minne; akin to E. mind. See {Mind}, and cf. {Mignonette}.] [1913 Webster] 1. A loved one; one highly esteemed and favored; -- in a good sense. [Obs.] [1913 Webster]  God's disciple and his deares
[12:39] <DigiGram> mmm, not quite the definition of minion I had in mind hehe
[12:44] <smile4> hi :)
[12:44] <Kilos> hi smile4
[12:45] <smile4> Kilos: :D
[12:45] <smile4> school sucks sometimes ;)
[12:45] <smile4> but you learn a lot :)
[12:46] <Kilos> yeah if it wasnt for schools youd be grunting in a cave somewhere
[12:49] <smile4> really :p
[13:13]  * smile listens to Eddy Grant - Gimme Hope, Joanna
[13:13] <magespawn> lol
[13:16] <smile> :)
[13:16] <smile> Maaz: hug
[13:16] <Maaz> smile: *blink*
[13:16] <smile> :D
[13:45] <magespawn> Maaz smile is showing you some love
[13:45] <Maaz> magespawn: I'll remember that
[13:46] <smile> magespawn: Yes I like that :)
[13:46] <smile> :D
[13:46] <smile> Maaz where are you?
[13:46] <Maaz> smile: I am your new robot overlord
[13:46] <smile> Maaz, I didn't ask for that
[13:46] <Maaz> smile: *blink*
[13:46] <magespawn> sometimes the bot is only a bot afterall
[13:46] <smile> yea :(
[13:47] <smile> but he can give hugs, magespawn :D
[13:47] <magespawn> indeed
[13:47] <smile> if he wanted to.
[13:47] <smile> :p
[13:47] <smile> Maaz: big hug
[13:47] <Maaz> smile: Huh?
[13:47] <smile> :o
[13:47] <smile> how was your day magespawn ? :)
[14:09] <DigiGram> Maaz, botsnack
[14:09] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[14:09] <DigiGram> thats for being such a nice bot
[14:09] <DigiGram> and offering to make me coffee tomorrow morning
[14:09] <DigiGram> so long guys, and thanx for all the fish
[14:20] <Kilos> bbl
[14:23] <magespawn> Busy and you  smile?
[14:23] <magespawn> maybe you can tell but the long response time lol
[14:23] <magespawn> but=by
[14:24] <smile> magespawn: I'm busy too :p trying to get google in fuckin' iframe :p
[14:24] <smile> :)
[14:32] <magespawn> good luck with that
[14:32] <magespawn> later all
[14:52] <smile> later :p
[14:52] <smile> It doesn't work, google doesn't allow it
[14:52] <smile> not sure what to do
[14:52] <smile> :p
[15:02] <Squirm> evening
[16:36] <nuvolari> sars efiling se gat! :-/
[16:36] <nuvolari> it does'nt freaking work
[16:36] <nuvolari> I have flash installed and it's working fine when testing on other sites
[16:37] <nuvolari> but nooooo, I don't know what rubbish detection they use
[16:44] <Symmetria> lol
[16:44] <Symmetria> I saw such a brilliant idea
[16:44] <Symmetria> lets start a dodgy chain of motels
[16:44] <Symmetria> for business people having affairs with other business people
[16:44] <Symmetria> and call it "linkedinn"
[16:44] <Symmetria> :p
[16:45] <Symmetria> amazon aws can run it and you can have it by the hour on your credit card
[16:45] <Symmetria> :p
[16:48] <Kerbero> lol
[16:59]  * smile4ever listens to Bob Marley - Is this Love
[17:01] <smile4ever> Maaz: Do you like me? :p
[17:01] <Maaz> smile4ever: Sorry...
[17:01] <smile4ever> Maaz: music is cool
[17:01] <Maaz> smile4ever: Got it
[17:01] <smile4ever> :D
[17:10] <Symmetria> hrm
[17:10] <Symmetria> bob marley
[17:10] <Symmetria> aint listened to that in a while
[17:22] <superfly> nuvolari: yes, I had the same happen to me the other night
[17:25] <smile4ever> Symmetria: really like some of his songs
[17:25] <smile4ever> the less drunk ones ;)
[17:26] <Symmetria> heh I been listening to lotsa sam roberts lately
[17:26] <Symmetria> and the eels
[17:26] <Symmetria> and a load of amy mcdonald
[17:26] <Symmetria> :p
[17:32] <smile4ever> :p
[17:33] <smile4ever> Yes I know, I know, I know! :D
[17:34] <smile4ever> Now.. :p
[17:34] <smile4ever> I wanna love you
[17:34] <smile4ever> love and treat you right :D
[17:34] <smile4ever> I wanna love you
[17:34] <smile4ever> every day and every night
[17:34] <smile4ever> :D
[17:36]  * smile4ever listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59kS2AOrGM
[17:55] <smile4ever> Cantide: sudo! :D
[17:55] <smile4ever> :p
[17:55] <Cantide> '<
[17:55] <Cantide> hello
[17:55] <smile4ever> Cantide: are you in love :p
[17:56] <Cantide> smile4ever ?
[17:57] <smile4ever> yes :p
[17:57] <smile4ever> @ Cantide
[17:57] <smile4ever> :p
[17:57] <Cantide> why do you ask? 'o'
[18:01] <nuvolari> hmm, superfly, did you do anything to have it detected correctly?
[18:08] <superfly> not yet
[18:24] <smile4ever> Cantide: curious :D
[18:24] <Cantide> smile4ever, i may be
[18:24] <Cantide> but i have exams in 8 weeks
[18:24] <Cantide> so now is not a time for it :p
[18:24] <smile4ever> Cantide: so you are waiting.? ;)
[18:25] <Cantide> something like that
[18:25] <Cantide> it's a bit more complex :p
[18:30] <smile4ever> byeee :)
[18:30] <smile4ever> Cantide: good luck
[18:30] <smile4ever> :)
[18:30] <Cantide> bye 'o'
[18:30] <Cantide> umm, thanks :p
[18:30] <smile4ever> :)
[18:31] <superfly> nuvolari: which browser?
[19:54] <nuvolari> superfly: I tried both firefox and chromium
[19:54] <nuvolari> I had issues with chromium not even displaying flash content
[19:54] <nuvolari> then installed flash from adobe's site (manual extraction and copy to directories)
[19:55] <nuvolari> and then it worked fine for both
[19:55] <nuvolari> adobe's site report chrome's flash as 11.2.something
[19:56] <superfly> and what version of flash were they looking for?
[19:56] <nuvolari> 10.1 or later
[19:59] <superfly> but I have 11.2 ?
[19:59] <nuvolari> hmm, let me check my cookies
[20:04] <nuvolari> nope, I hive up
[20:04] <nuvolari> *ive
[20:04] <nuvolari> *give
[20:04] <nuvolari> it doesn't like me :P
[20:05] <superfly> still doesn't work for me either
[20:06] <nuvolari> oh! hmm
[20:06] <nuvolari> maybe I should report it to them
[20:07] <magespawn> i could only get the site to work on windows
[20:07] <nuvolari> :O
[20:08] <nuvolari> maybe I should try installing acrobat
[20:09] <magespawn> bit like cipro only works with ie and they do not bother to tell you either.
[20:09] <magespawn> good evening by the by
[20:10]  * nuvolari tips hat
[20:10] <nuvolari> g'evening :)
[20:10] <superfly> nuvolari: if they actually respond to any e-mails
[20:10] <superfly> the last time I tried to get anything out of them I was left with fines to pay because they never bothered to help me
[20:11] <magespawn> just goes to show
[20:11] <nuvolari> :-/ crooks
[20:11] <magespawn> another reason why i don't
[20:12] <nuvolari> hmm, they probably don't have 'the internets' because I can't find an email address :P
[20:14] <nuvolari> I'll comment on their facebook page and mention 'computer discrimination'
[20:14] <nuvolari> rather Operating System discrimination?
[20:14] <superfly> nuvolari: don't use the "d" word
[20:15] <superfly> just tell them that you are unable to file your taxes because their site is broken, and could they please fix it ASAP.
[20:15] <nuvolari> unequal computer treatment :P
[20:15] <superfly> nuvolari: what's their FB page?
[20:15] <nuvolari> http://www.facebook.com/sarstax
[20:15] <nuvolari> but looks like you'll need to like it first before you can complain, which kinda sucks
[20:17] <magespawn> because we Don't Like it.
[20:17] <nuvolari> ok, unliking, since liking doesn't change anything
[20:17] <nuvolari> I can fill out the recommendation section
[20:17] <superfly> nuvolari: if you refresh you should see my comment
[20:18] <nuvolari> ha, I'm next in line, hang on
[20:19] <magespawn> how the little one superfly?
[20:22] <superfly> magespawn: the usual. fussbucket
[20:22] <magespawn> they grow out of that..... eventually
[20:23] <superfly> nuvolari: yeah, SARS is useless
[20:23] <superfly> well, their call centre and their e-mail support
[20:23] <superfly> I wonder what complaining on HelloPeter would do?
[20:23] <nuvolari> heh, every comment in the recommendation list is actually a complaint.
[20:24] <superfly> heh. SARS doesn't respond on HelloPeter, so no point
[20:24] <magespawn> make you have to pay more tax
[20:24] <magespawn> ?
[20:25] <nuvolari> ooh... let's report the sars facebook page for fraud :P
[20:26] <magespawn> lol
[20:59] <magespawn> good night y'all


[09:38] <Devcoder> tits?
[09:42] <valorie> oh good grief, the pre-teens are here
[09:42] <valorie> :(
[09:42] <Devcoder> TITS?
[09:42] <valorie> !ops
[09:43] <ubot4> BWEEP! Channel emergency!


[23:14] <Yukkuri> (copy from main #ubuntu channel) hi, i am having a bit broken liveusb with ubuntu, where i can boot in GUI, setup network and make a chroot (if needed). Given that, can i get a non-broken version of ubuntu installer (via deb packages and custom repo maybe) in a chroot?
[23:14] <Yukkuri> the squashfs at some point seems to be corrupted
[23:15] <Yukkuri> and i have no other media
[23:15] <Yukkuri> some way to make a environment outsied a squashfs with installer, run that version of installer, using network repositories would be best.
[23:16] <xnox> Yukkuri, one can use mini.iso
[23:16] <Yukkuri> i can't burn it anywhere
[23:17] <Yukkuri> can i use it inside livecd somehow?
[23:17] <Yukkuri> i can download and mount
[23:17] <Yukkuri> and then i woudl have to unpack squashfs of that mini.iso?
[23:17] <Yukkuri> right?
[23:17] <Yukkuri> and run what exactly in that filesystem?
[23:20] <xnox> Yukkuri, why burn, when one can dd to usb disk or a disk-drive to boot it?
[23:20] <xnox> once booted, it's all in ram....
[23:21] <xnox> try to e.g. kexec kernel + initrd of it, with the right kernel boot params (e.g. `install`)
[23:21] <xnox> CarlFK, responded on the bug report
[23:21] <Yukkuri> i don't have anouther usb drive
[23:22] <Yukkuri> i can only have this usb i am using to boot into livecd
[23:22] <Yukkuri> or not to boot at all
[23:22] <Yukkuri> and if i make mistake using same usb, i'll be out of usable OS
[23:23] <Yukkuri> can't i just run binary of install in mini.iso ?
[23:23] <xnox> Yukkuri, you sound stressed. Can you start from the beginning, as to what you have, and what you are trying to do.....
[23:23] <xnox> no, there is no binary of install to run of mini.iso, as it needs to be actually booted.
[23:23] <Yukkuri> i am having just one bootalbe usb stick with partially written liveusb+installer of ubuntu
[23:23] <CarlFK> xnox: why -server vs -classic ?  I'll bet the classic is even bigger, so it won't fit.
[23:24] <xnox> CarlFK, nope, smaller.
[23:24] <Yukkuri> it's squashfs is not entirely correct, installer fails after copying all files, probably during invocation of grub
[23:24] <Yukkuri> or at last files it copies
[23:24] <xnox> Yukkuri, and where are you trying to install to?
[23:24] <xnox> also not sure what you mean by "liveusb+installer of ubuntu"
[23:24] <Yukkuri> i have tried to different hard drives, one regular HDD, one SSD
[23:25] <xnox> did you simply use dd / Disks app to restore (dd) the desktop.iso to your usb stick you are booting from?
[23:25] <xnox> one shouldn't need anything special at all to create bootable media out of our .iso files - just burn / dd / restore image onto USB or cdrom/dvd
[23:26] <xnox> Yukkuri, recreate your installer media.
[23:26] <xnox> CarlFK, see the size posted in my comment.
[23:26] <Yukkuri> http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.1/ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso was written with unetbotin under windows 7 to usb stick
[23:26] <Yukkuri> it apparently wasn't written completly
[23:26] <Yukkuri> now i don't have that win7 os
[23:26] <Yukkuri> i don't have other PCs around
[23:26] <Yukkuri> i don't have other usb sticks around
[23:27] <Yukkuri> i can't re-create usb stick installation media without risking be out of that livecd either
[23:27] <Yukkuri> i can however have full network access
[23:27] <xnox> Yukkuri, unetbotin is bad, don't use it.
[23:27] <xnox> Yukkuri, it will not create anything of good.
[23:27] <Yukkuri> too late
[23:28] <Yukkuri> so now, what can i download in partially working livecd environment into fully correct chroot environmment, to perform actual installation?
[23:28] <xnox> Yukkuri, so..... you should be able to grab kernel & initrd, put it on the usb stick, drop to grub, navigate the files on the usb stick to load kernel + initrd.
[23:29] <xnox> Yukkuri, and the kernel/initrd there would be these ones ->
[23:29] <CarlFK> xnox: you here for a while?  30 min or so so I can see if this works?
[23:29] <Yukkuri> keep in mind that usb stick version of squashfs is corrupt
[23:30] <xnox> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/ ->
[23:30] <xnox> the initrd.gz and linux
[23:30] <CarlFK> xnox: you just described building hd-media ;)
[23:30] <Yukkuri> aha, i can download kernel image and initrd.gz for it. okay. but it would require some root to operate, right?
[23:30] <xnox> Yukkuri, at least doing that (dropping those two files on usb stick, and trying to boot them from grub) should be a safe / non-destructive operation.
[23:31] <xnox> i assume you can drop things on the initrd.....
[23:31] <xnox> or find any other computer to just dd the desktop iso onto the usb stick....
[23:31] <Yukkuri> yes, i can unpack, change and pack initrd back
[23:31] <Yukkuri> but where to get correct squashfs image?
[23:32] <Yukkuri> can i borrow on from mini.iso?
[23:32] <Yukkuri> and after i drop all that onto usb stick, i am supposed to just use grub to boot from them?
[23:33] <xnox> there is no need for a squashfs
[23:33] <Yukkuri> or does initrd.gz from link you have given already contains correct squashfs for minimal install?
[23:33] <xnox> that initrd+kernel is d-i based install, over the network, without any other files required
[23:33] <Yukkuri> i see
[23:33] <xnox> everything will be downloaded.
[23:33] <Yukkuri> okay, i'll try
[23:33] <Yukkuri> thanks
[23:33] <xnox> mini.iso doesn't have any suqashfs either
[23:33] <xnox> Yukkuri, btw. https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows is the right way to create ubuntu usb sticks on windows
[23:34] <xnox> there are similar guides from there linked for Macos
[23:34] <Yukkuri> another catch: i would need pppoe+pptp to setup network
[23:34] <Yukkuri> i can do that in livecd
[23:34] <Yukkuri> but would i be able to do that in minimal initrd?
[23:34] <CarlFK> xnox: wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.1/ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso  Length:<PHONE_NUMBER> (1.8G) [application/x-iso9660-image]
[23:34] <CarlFK> xnox: ignore that
[23:35] <xnox> CarlFK, you originally showed server-live-iso..... i showed server-iso.... now you are talking about desktop-iso......
[23:35] <xnox> Yukkuri, i think so, but i'm not sure.
[23:35] <Yukkuri> can't i just run installer binary from unpacked initrd?
[23:35] <xnox> Yukkuri, i'd recommend you to create a better usb stick.....
[23:35] <CarlFK> xnox: yeah, ingore that.  I messed up just now
[23:35] <Yukkuri> that would be easier i think
[23:35] <xnox> Yukkuri, you can try to kexec it.
[23:35] <Yukkuri> not the kernel
[23:35] <Yukkuri> the installer
[23:36] <xnox> kexec loads kernel + initrd.
[23:36] <Yukkuri> i understand
[23:36] <Yukkuri> but i have kernel loaded already
[23:36] <xnox> and executes init from the initrd.
[23:36] <Yukkuri> can't i just run installer?
[23:36] <xnox> because d-i installer is the initrd.
[23:36] <xnox> the init process inside it.
[23:36] <Yukkuri> so i can unpack initrd
[23:36] <xnox> there is no "binary"
[23:36] <Yukkuri> i, got it
[23:36] <xnox> and it expects to be the init, pid 1
[23:37] <Yukkuri> darn
[23:37] <Yukkuri> this would all running instances of NetworkManager die, right?
[23:38] <Yukkuri> would make*
[23:38] <Yukkuri> can i get the installer as a regular userspace binary?
[23:40] <Yukkuri> i mean, it is already in livecd, ubiquity gtk_ui
[23:41] <Yukkuri> where can i get one for chroot?
[23:44] <CarlFK> Yukkuri: I don't think it exists
[23:47] <CarlFK> xnox: where did you get ubuntu-18.10-server-amd64.iso  it isn't listed on http://releases.ubuntu.com/cosmic/
[23:48] <CarlFK> wget -N http://releases.ubuntu.com/cosmic/ubuntu-18.10-server-amd64.iso 404
[23:49] <CarlFK> ignore that too - found it http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.10/release/