[00:38] <[0gb_us]> What is libcapi20-3 and do I need it?
[00:39] <[0gb_us]> Oops, wrong channel. My bad.
[08:31] <nikolam> VLC player in 12.04LTS 32-bit, hogs cpu and refuses to be killed while freezes X , when playing .MOV files.  :D
[08:43] <ochosi> hehe
[08:43] <ochosi> sorry bout that
[08:43] <nikolam> hm, that might be nice bug report  ;p
[08:44] <ochosi> indeed
[12:05] <mario___> I have problem with my xubuntu 13.04, i dont see the GUI, i see blue screen with loading for 2-3 sec and later i see only black screen with cursor on top
[12:05] <mario___> i can use the terminal alt+f1, f2
[12:06] <mario___> can someone help me to repair my xubuntu ?
[12:07] <mario___> when i type startx in terminal i have message: failed to start session "gnome"
[12:07] <bgardner> mario___: Login to one of the terminals and review /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:08] <bgardner> mario___: See if you can get more descriptive errors, usually near the bottom.
[12:10] <mario___> bgardner: i can't see any error
[12:11] <bgardner> mario___: Try grep "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:11] <bgardner> mario___: That might help you zero in on it.
[12:12] <mario___> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "(EE)" is ok ?
[12:12] <bgardner> mario___: SUre
[12:13] <mario___> bgardner: i dont see anything only one line where type: (WW) Warning (EE) eror...
[12:15] <bgardner> mario___: Not sure how much you can do, but can you give us 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit'?
[12:17] <mario___> bgardner: paste.ubuntu.com/6119198
[12:20] <bgardner> mario___: Did this ever work, or is it a new install that has never started for you?
[12:21] <mario___> bgardner: this xubuntu previously works perfect, but today i can't start it
[12:21] <bgardner> mario___: Any recent package removals that you recall?
[12:22] <bgardner> mario___: cat /var/log/apt/history.log
[12:25] <mario___> bgardner: lastest install is mysql-server mysql-client php5-mysql...
[12:25] <mario___> after broking i install lynx and irssi to get help
[12:25] <mario___> from net
[12:26] <bgardner> mario___: Okay
[12:27] <mario___> bgardner: can i fix it ?
[12:27] <mario___> or i need reinstall ?
[12:27] <bgardner> mario___: Give me a moment, I'm researching
[12:27] <mario___> ok
[12:35] <mario___> bgardner: are you find any solution ?
[12:37] <bgardner> mario___: Not yet, but still looking
[12:40] <bgardner> mario___: What do you get for dpkg-query -l gnome-session
[12:41] <bgardner> mario___: No need to quote the whole line, I just want to know if it has a status of "ii"
[12:42] <mario___> bgardner: paste.ubuntu.com/6119282
[12:44] <bgardner> mario___: Hm.  So your startx failure says it wants to, but can't, start a gnome session.  And you don't have it installed.
[12:44] <bgardner> mario___: One second
[12:45] <mario___> bgardner: are i need gnome-session for xubuntu ?
[12:45] <bgardner> mario___: I wonder why a xubuntu installation wants to start gnome...
[12:45] <bgardner> mario___: I don't think so, but off the top of my head I admit I don't know for certain.
[12:45] <mario___> bgardner: how i can start xfce session ?
[12:47] <bgardner> mario___: Do you have a .xinitrc in your home folder?
[12:48] <mario___> bgardner: no
[12:49] <mario___> bgardner: i think that no solution for my problem
[12:49] <mario___> i will try start xubuntu in recovery mode in grub
[12:49] <bgardner> mario___: There's always a solution, but it may take a bit
[12:49] <mario___> i will restart my pc and enter in recovery mode to try
[12:50] <mario___> thanks for help bgardner :)
[12:50] <bgardner> mario___: You can try installing gnome-session, but I've been avoiding that because it will install a ton of packages.
[12:50] <bgardner> mario___: All right, good luck.
[12:50] <cfhowlett> bgardner, gnome on xubuntu just seems ... wrong.
[12:51] <bgardner> cfhowlett: I hear you, but I don't understand the error message.
[12:51] <bgardner> cfhowlett: Been forever since I burrowed into X this way.
[13:12] <xubuntu897> Hi all I hope you can help me. I installed xubuntu 13.04 on my pc and it runs quite a lot slower than mint 15 xfce. Is there something I can do to fix this?
[13:15] <cfhowlett> xubuntu897, turn off unnecessary eye candy: shimmers, glimmers and jumpers
[13:15] <xubuntu897> straight installation nothting installed
[13:16] <xubuntu897> on both xubuntu and mint
[13:16] <cfhowlett> xubuntu897, I'm referring to desktop/display effects
[13:16] <xubuntu897> no desktop effects active
[13:17] <xubuntu897> mint had cairo dock installed and it still outperformed xubuntu
[13:18] <xubuntu897> i tried installing the new kernel 3.11.1 and using the open source amd diskplay driver as the closed source driver trashed the os
[13:19] <xubuntu897> I am talking about slow to start up firefox etc
[13:20] <cfhowlett> xubuntu897, ONLY ff?
[13:22] <mario__> how i can start grub to start xubuntu in recovery mode ?
[13:22] <xubuntu897> cfhowlett what do you mean by xubuntu897, ONLY ff? sorry I do not know linux that well
[13:22] <mario__> when i restart pc i dont see the grub
[13:22] <mario__> automaticaly start xubuntu
[13:22] <mario__> but xubuntu is broken :@
[13:23] <cfhowlett> xubuntu897, are you saying it's slow ONLY when running FFOX?
[13:24] <xubuntu897> slow when opening up applications like firefox google chrome etc
[13:24] <cfhowlett> mario__, if you ONLY have xubuntu, you don't normally see grub, but it'll boot straight to ubuntu.
 when downloading files in fire fox the window to display to open or save takes a while
 any ideas other than installing mint
[13:49] <xubuntu897> Hi all on a clean install of xubuntu 13.04 why would xubuntu be slower to open up aplications and run applications compared to Mint 15 xfce
[13:49] <knome> !patience | xubuntu897
[13:50] <knome> not many people joined since you asked; maybe try those other methods
[13:50] <xubuntu897> ubottu I have tried searching and the only thing I can come up with is preling
[13:50] <xubuntu897> prelink
[14:04] <xubuntu897> thanks all
[20:52] <xubuntu749> I am stuck at the install screen with (ubiquity:4773): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_resize: assertion 'width > 0' failed what do i do?
[22:37] <argoneus> Hello
[22:37] <argoneus> I think I have done something wrong
[22:37] <knome> the chair for confessions is at #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:38] <argoneus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6121524/
[22:38] <argoneus> I tried dualbooting xubuntu/windows
[22:38] <argoneus> but looking at this it didn't really go well, did it?
[22:38] <argoneus> partition 3 is not aligned according to align-check opt
[22:38] <knome> that looks fine
[22:39] <argoneus> knome: it does? >.>
[22:44] <knome> argoneus, yep
[22:44] <glitchd> hello all
[22:45] <glitchd> got an easy question for anyone willing to help real quick
[22:45] <argoneus> knome: so I shouldn't worry about p3 not being aligned?
[22:45] <glitchd> well, 2 questions really..
[22:45] <knome> argoneus, it's extended, so it's basically 4+5
[22:45] <argoneus> Oh
[22:45] <Maple__> glitchd, just ask
[22:45] <Maple__> :p
[22:46] <glitchd> trying to figure out how to 1) change where usb's are mounted to when inserted, and 2) trying to figure out how to rename said usb.
[22:46] <glitchd> Maple__, thx i was typing already..lol
[22:46] <Maple__> glitchd, do you mean changing the label for the partition?
[22:47] <Maple__> As for the first, you can disable Thunar's daemon.
[22:47] <glitchd> i believe so
[22:47] <Maple__> ...and mount it manually via the terminal
[22:47] <glitchd> change what name is displayed when the drive is inserted
[22:47] <Maple__> lemme check
[22:47] <Maple__> Uh, not sure about that.
[22:47] <glitchd> i dont mind the auto mount feature
[22:48] <glitchd> its just that, when inserted its mounted to /media/username instead of /media/usb
[22:48] <knome> glitchd, gparted (from repositories) helps you change the label
[22:48] <glitchd> and sincee i originally installed with the usb, its named xubuntu 13.04
[22:48] <glitchd> i have gparted but keep running into an error, ill get the text from the error, 1 sec.
[22:49] <glitchd> ok so first off, the usb is being mounted in /dev/sdc1 instead of /deb/sdb1, i know its not a problems but id rather have it in sdb1
[22:50] <glitchd> lol it worked, i promise it wouldnt work earlier.
[22:50] <glitchd> but thx none the less
[22:50] <glitchd> problem solved
[22:51] <glitchd> well half the problem anyways..
[22:51] <knome> there's no way to control the dev name
[22:51] <glitchd> now i have to figure out how to get it to mount in sdb1 and not sdc1
[22:51] <glitchd> wompwomp
[22:51] <glitchd> oh well, ill just have to get used to it then i guess
[22:51] <glitchd> thx again=)
[22:51] <knome> you can add the stick to fstab by its UUID
[22:52] <knome> (and not automount)
[22:52] <knome> that way you don't have to worry about the dev name
[22:52] <glitchd> but i like the automount..
[22:52] <knome> well you can set up automount with fstab as well
[22:52] <glitchd> i guess my problem really isnt a problem.
[22:52] <knome> and you can control the mount directory
[22:52] <glitchd> just a mild annoyance
[22:52] <knome> no, doesn't sound like one :)
[22:53] <glitchd> all from fstab?
[22:53] <knome> yep.
[22:53] <knome> !fstab
[22:54] <glitchd> i have used fstab before to automount partitions, just not usb's
[22:54] <glitchd> ill look at that info
[22:54] <glitchd> thank you
[22:56] <knome> it's the same for usb devices, just make sure you use the UUID to catch the right device :)
[22:57] <glitchd> rightright, thankyou.
[22:57] <argoneus> honestly


[17:58] <MediocreN> CrazyTux: you can try ctrl-shft-q
[17:58] <CrazyTux> Because of this I am scared to use this Xubuntu 16.10
[17:58] <MediocreN> i think
[17:58] <MediocreN> to kill the last process
[17:58] <CrazyTux> Nothing works. Everything gets frozen. Even keyboard and mouse.
[17:58] <MediocreN> oh damn
[17:58] <MediocreN> cant even to another display?
[17:58] <nicomachus> CrazyTux: `top` or `htop` in a terminal can show you what is using the most resources. you can also install indicator-sysmonitor to have those specs in the menu bar, so that you can see them even when things are frozen.
[17:59] <nicomachus> indicator-sysmonitor may be a PPA, now that I think about it.
[17:59] <CrazyTux> from where can I install that?
[17:59] <Eric> http://termbin.com/ctmn
[18:00] <nicomachus> CrazyTux: https://github.com/fossfreedom/indicator-sysmonitor
[18:00] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:00] <nicomachus> !info indicator-sysmonitor
[18:00] <EriC^> Eric: ok, also install the metapackage, type apt-get install grub2
[18:00] <nicomachus> yea, gonna have to use a PPA or git clone
[18:01] <CrazyTux> But, what is the solution for this freezing problem
[18:01] <CrazyTux> ??
[18:01] <tgm4883> CrazyTux: for starters, figuring out what is causing it
[18:01] <Eric> on terminal?
[18:01] <Eric> like this
[18:01] <MediocreN> yes
[18:01] <MediocreN> type that full statement behind your root prompt
[18:02] <CrazyTux> I am on Mint now. Will have to restart my laptop.
[18:02] <Eric> root@ubuntu:/# apt-get install grub2
[18:03] <kalby-imanie> how can i shrink partition using parted? i already selected the device number, then?
[18:03] <kalby-imanie> anyone used parted?
[18:04] <CrazyTux> ok. I'll come back later.
[18:04] <CrazyTux> thanks for the help
[18:04] <R2AMO> I mean I shrinked with gparted several years ago, gparted more human
[18:04] <EriC^> Eric: yes
[18:05] <CrazyTux> that problem is really annoying me. I like to use Ubuntu Mate but because of this problem I am scared to use it.
[18:06] <Eric> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed:   grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common Suggested packages:   multiboot-doc grub-emu xorriso desktop-base The following NEW packages will be installed:   grub2 The following packages will be upgraded:   grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common 4 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to re
[18:06] <MediocreN> kalby-imanie: use gparted imo, but in parted its resize2fs /dev/path size i believe
[18:06] <MediocreN> you will need the fs type also
[18:07] <EriC^> Eric: ok, go with it
[18:08] <Eric> Need to get 2,532 B/3,303 kB of archives. After this operation, 21.5 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[18:09] <wiz_974> salut
[18:11] <momomo> I am writing a document usex laTex ... generating the pdf ... and then opening it ... however I am a bit annoyed that if I have scrolled in the document .. the pdf will start at the start of the document.... how can I autoupdate the  pdf ??? is there a pdf reader that will scan for file change and then autoupdate the visible pdf ?? or a pdf program that can remember scroll position ??
[18:12] <MediocreN> momomo: texworks
[18:12] <MediocreN> works also latex will work
[18:12] <EriC^> Eric: ye
[18:13] <Eric> eric^
[18:13] <EriC^> yes
[18:13] <MediocreN> in ~/.latexmkrc set $pdf_previewer = "start xpdf - remote %R %O %s"; $pdf_update_method = 4; $pdf_update_command = "xpdf -remote %R -reload";
[18:13] <MediocreN> each on their own line, straight from latex documents
[18:14] <Eric> The grub-pc package is being upgraded. This menu allows you to        â”‚ select which devices you'd like grub-install to be automatically      â”‚ run for, if any.                                                      â”‚                                                                       â”‚ Running grub-install automatically is recommended in most             â”‚ situations, to prevent the installed GRUB core image from             â”
[18:15] <EriC^> Eric: take a screenshot
[18:17] <Eric______> http://m.imgur.com/TsDSuvO
[18:17] <momomo> MediocreN: thanks ... works like magic .. i had assumed the default pdf reader --> xreader was bacially evince ... looks the same basically inside .. but works differently
[18:18] <MediocreN> momomo: yeah, it drove me nuts once upon a time :p
[18:22] <EriC^> Eric: press the TAB key
[18:22] <EriC^> then press enter
[18:22] <EriC^> press the OK button
[18:23] <blackflag> Good afternoon! I cannot print in duplex mode in a HP P3015 in an ubuntu 16.04 in one of the PCs of my job. I even cannot configure the duplex print option. The duplex configuration appears gray to me. I don't know where to start. Thanks for the attention and sorry for my bad English.
[18:25] <nacc> blackflag: can you pastebin `lpoptions -l` ?
[18:26] <momomo> MediocreN: do you know if there is a way to get pdflatex to auto execute upon file change as well?
[18:26] <nacc> blackflag: and do you have hplip installed?
[18:26] <momomo> to generate the pdf that is
[18:28] <Eric_____> http://m.imgur.com/jJH2dKQ
[18:28] <blackflag> nacc: Yes, hplip is installed. Sure, I will pastebin
[18:29] <EriC^> Eric_____: press spacebar so you get an X there
[18:29] <EriC^> Eric_____: then go down to Ok and press enter
[18:29] <EriC^> Eric_____: choose the first one /dev/sda
[18:30] <MediocreN> momomo: i actually dont... i'd say we can try and walk down that road and figure it out, but i have to go out on the floor for awhile
[18:30] <MediocreN> will be back in awhile
[18:30] <blackflag> nacc: When I try "lpoptions l" the output is : "lpoptions: Unable to get PPD file for HP_CP3525_Color: Not Found"
[18:30] <nacc> blackflag: -l right?
[18:31] <momomo> MediocreN: I tried this but only worked once
[18:31] <momomo> https://hastebin.com/ekaruqijav.bash
[18:31] <blackflag> nacc: Yes "lpotios -l"
[18:32] <Eric>      [ ] /dev/sdb (62914 MB; Flash_Disk) ?
[18:32] <nacc> momomo: that's gross. rerun pdflatex every 3 seconds?
[18:32] <blackflag> nacc: *lpoptions -l
[18:32] <EriC^> Eric: no the first one /dev/sda (500107 MB....
[18:32] <nacc> momomo: use a SCM and do a git hook or something, or add a inotify watch
[18:33] <Eric> i put X on red right?
[18:33] <momomo> nacc: i just need something to work right now
[18:34] <momomo> nacc: not that important if it's expensive at the moment
[18:34] <momomo> but not wokring
[18:34] <nacc> momomo: just run pdflatex when you need to?
[18:34] <momomo> only first echo is outed
[18:34] <momomo> nacc: that's more work for me
[18:34] <nacc> momomo: "I just need something to work right now"
[18:34] <EriC^> Eric: yeah keep the red at /dev/sda and press space so you get an X there
[18:35] <nacc> momomo: your script also makes no sense, if pdflatex successfully runs, you exit 0
[18:35] <nacc> momomo: *exit
[18:35] <nacc> momomo: in any case, this is not really an ubuntu support topic
[18:35] <ricks> /whoami
[18:37] <momomo> nacc: this works
[18:37] <momomo> https://hastebin.com/qequrojoji.bash
[18:37] <Eric_____> http://m.imgur.com/lESpVMi
[18:37] <momomo> problem is $ check
[18:37] <momomo> so it makes sense
[18:37] <momomo> ooh
[18:39] <nacc> momomo: yes, as i just said.
[18:39] <EriC^> Eric_____: looks good go down to Ok and press enter
[18:39] <luksi> Hi all, I have a luks encrypted partition (secondary that holds just personal data) i added entries in fstab and crypttab  however i see the following message when booting: "the disk drive for /mydata is not ready yet or not present" telling me to keep waiting or press S to skip... if i wait all goes OK my guess is that the fstab is tryign to mount
[18:39] <luksi>  before the luks partition is completely "unlocked" can this be the case? is there any options i can pass to stop this from happening?
[18:40] <Eric>  what i do nxt?
[18:40] <Eric> next
[18:41] <EriC^> Eric: did you press Ok?
[18:41] <scottjl> luksi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/450895/mount-luks-encrypted-hard-drive-at-boot
[18:44] <luksi> scottjl: i have stumbled accross that one before  however my key is on /root
[18:46] <momomo> nacc: it was a copy and paste while loop .. forgot to check what was in there
[18:48] <Eric> eric^ what i do nxt?
[18:49] <EriC^> Eric: did you press oK?
[18:49] <Eric> yup i did already
[18:50] <EriC^> Eric: what happened?
[18:51] <Eric> Get:1 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe amd64 grub2 amd64 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8 [2,532 B] Fetched 2,532 B in 0s (4,724 B/s)  Preconfiguring packages ... (Reading database ... 208832 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../grub-pc_2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8_amd64.deb ... Unpacking grub-pc (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) over (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.7) ... Preparing to unpack .../grub-pc-bin_2.02~be
[18:52] <_Trullo> I think when I updated something and I got a question if I want to change the grub file, I pressed ok.. when in fact it stood on the leave it as it is option.. now it boots until busybox and hangs there..
[18:52] <EriC^> Eric: ok, did it return a prompt back?
[18:52] <Eric> Running in chroot, ignoring request. Running in chroot, ignoring request. Running in chroot, ignoring request. Running in chroot, ignoring request. Unpacking grub-common (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) over (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.7) ... Running in chroot, ignoring request. Selecting previously unselected package grub2. Preparing to unpack .../grub2_2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8_amd64.deb ... Unpacking grub2 (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) ... Processing trigge
[18:52] <EriC^> _Trullo: try to manually boot from grub then reinstall it and update-initramfs
[18:53] <Eric> Processing triggers for install-info (6.1.0.dfsg.1-5) ... Processing triggers for systemd (229-4ubuntu16) ... Running in chroot, ignoring request. Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-19) ... Setting up grub-common (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) ... Installing new version of config file /etc/grub.d/10_linux ... update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
[18:54] <_Trullo> how do I do this? I get to the grub menu, I just pick an older kernel?
[18:54] <Eric> Running in chroot, ignoring request. Running in chroot, ignoring request. Setting up grub2-common (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) ... Setting up grub-pc-bin (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) ... Setting up grub-pc (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) ... Installing for i386-pc platform. Installation finished. No error reported. Generating grub configuration file ... Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer suppor
[18:54] <nacc> !paste | Eric
[18:54] <luksi> scottjl: lvm -> luks -> lvm
[18:54] <Eric> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.8.0-41-generic Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.8.0-41-generic Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.8.0-36-generic Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.8.0-36-generic grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1.  Check your device.map. Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration done Setting up grub2 (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.8) ...
[18:54] <EriC^> _Trullo: no press "c" then type "ls"
[18:55] <EriC^> Eric: ok, type update-grub , then type exit and reboot
[18:56] <snowkrash> when i drag and drop in ubuntu it often crashes
[18:56] <_Trullo> ok, the hd9 is not in the list
[18:56] <snowkrash> or better freezes
[18:56] <snowkrash> is this a known bug?
[18:56] <snowkrash> i also cant drag and drop between virtual spaces
[18:56] <Eric> root@ubuntu:/# update-grub , then type exit and reboot
[18:56] <snowkrash> the system freezes
[18:57] <snowkrash> today i wanted to drag a picture in some email apps email it got frozen
[18:57] <snowkrash> the whole system
[18:59] <_Trullo> EriC^, then what? I get a bunch of hd's there
[18:59] <Aundre> hello friends]
[19:03] <EriC^> _Trullo: which one is the ext* one?
[19:03] <EriC^> Eric: just update-grub
[19:04] <_Trullo> EriC^, not sure, how can I tell?
[19:05] <EriC^> _Trullo: are you using uefi?
[19:05] <_Trullo> no
[19:05] <EriC^> ok dual booting?
[19:05] <_Trullo> no
[19:06] <EriC^> ok, try ls (hd0,msdos1)/
[19:07] <_Trullo> ls is not responding now..  I'm trying to use add-apt-repository on a Ubuntu 12.04 LTS but I'm getting an error
[19:16] <joelwallis> vagrant@precise64:~$ sudo add-apt-repository "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu $(lsb_release -cs) stable"
[19:17] <joelwallis> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[19:17] <joelwallis> FYI, I'm using Vagrant, which uses VirtualBox
[19:17] <joelwallis> I'm trying to setup it to run Docker containers on it
[19:17] <pluta> would it make sense to add a git python applications settings and other necessitiies into /var/lib/appname ?
[19:18] <pluta> I was always under the impression that /var/lib/ is for storage of things like databases and files that change
[19:18] <_Trullo> EriC^, ls (hd0,msdos1)/ , no such partition, if I try hd9 which I think it's the bootdrive is says cannot get C/H/S values
[19:19] <ducasse> joelwallis: install software-properties-common or do it manually
[19:19] <EriC^> _Trullo: try echo $root
[19:19] <EriC^> _Trullo: is it grub, or grub rescue?
[19:19] <_Trullo> GNU GRUB version 2.02
[19:20] <snowkrash> why does ubuntu freeze on drag and drop?
[19:20] <_Trullo> hd1 responded with /etc var etc etc, so that seems to be the drive
[19:20] <EriC^> _Trullo: no i mean the grub prompt, i guess it's grub> cause you got the menu
[19:20] <EriC^> _Trullo: ok, try ls (hd1,..)/boot/
[19:20] <_Trullo> this is super grub something..
[19:23] <joelwallis> ducasse: thank you for helping. I just installed `software-properties-common` but I still can't use the `add-apt-repository` utility. How can I add the given apt repo manually?
[19:23] <ducasse> joelwallis: what does add-apt-repository say now?
[19:25] <joelwallis> ducasse: same
[19:25] <ioria> joelwallis,   ls /usr/bin/add-apt-repository
[19:25] <joelwallis> hm, I tried it without sudo and it warned that python-software-properties was not installed
[19:25] <grawity> wasn't it apt-add-repository?
[19:25] <joelwallis> installing now
[19:25] <ioria> joelwallis,   right :þ
[19:26] <ducasse> grawity: one is a symlink to the other
[19:26] <joelwallis> after installing python-software-properties it worked
[19:26] <joelwallis> Thank you for helping - and sorry for those newbie questions haha
[19:27] <ducasse> joelwallis: great :) still, 12.04 goes eol in a month - you know that, right?
[19:27] <EriC^> _Trullo: any luck with the ls ...../boot command?
[19:28] <Eric> im back eric^
[19:28] <_Trullo> had to reboot
[19:28] <joelwallis> ducasse: Hm good to know. I'll update the base box for my Vagrant setup to use a more recent version
[19:28] <EriC^> Eric: wb
[19:28] <EriC^> Eric: try to reboot
[19:28] <Eric> ty eric^
[19:29] <Eric> i did see dual boot loader of win 10 and ubuntu on menu
[19:29] <EriC^> Eric: great
[19:29] <Eric> on purple screen
[19:29] <EriC^> that's it
[19:29] <EriC^> that's the standard grub menu
[19:30] <_Trullo> EriC^, I get a bunch of kernels in there
[19:30] <_Trullo> EriC^, echo £
[19:30] <_Trullo> echo $root gives me hd0
[19:30] <Eric> eric^ do i run 5 imvu clients on ubuntu?
[19:30] <EriC^> _Trullo: hmm, try "ls /"
[19:31] <EriC^> Eric: not sure what that is
[19:31] <Eric> www.imvu.com
[19:31] <_Trullo> EriC^, get a bunch of files, could it be the usb drive I'm booting on?
[19:32] <EriC^> _Trullo: yeah
[19:32] <EriC^> _Trullo: try set root='(hd1,....)'
[19:32] <rx-bad> hello
[19:33] <_Trullo> should it be (hd1,msdos1) ?
[19:33] <rx-bad> is that grub
[19:33] <EriC^> _Trullo: yeah use the one you found earlier that had /etc /root /boot
[19:34] <EriC^> Eric: not sure about it, it looks graphic intensive so i guess it depends on your pc specs?
[19:35] <rx-bad> does anyone know about work
[19:36] <_Trullo> EriC^, done now when I do ls / I get the hd I think, has var etc media cdrom bin etc etc
[19:36] <rx-bad> or work in a work-agency
[19:36] <ducasse> rx-bad: wrong channel
[19:36] <rx-bad> advice pls
[19:36] <ducasse> rx-bad: no, it's offtopic here
[19:36] <rx-bad> ok
[19:37] <ducasse> rx-bad: ask in #freenode where you can ask
[19:37] <rx-bad> ok thanks
[19:38] <EriC^> _Trullo: ok, earlier you were getting the menu you usually get when you boot the install?
[19:38] <_Trullo> ya
[19:38] <EriC^> ok
[19:38] <_Trullo> should I boot into that?
[19:38] <EriC^> no
[19:39] <EriC^> _Trullo: try linux /boot/vmlinuz-<tab complete the latest kernel> root=/dev/sda1
[19:40] <EriC^> _Trullo: then initrd /boot/initrd<same-version as above>
[19:40] <rx-bad> see ya
[19:41] <_Trullo> I know I just installed a server edition, I get both 2.6.31 server and 3.13.0 (I didn't format the drive) so I assume I should pick the latest server edition?
[19:42] <EriC^> _Trullo: which ubuntu did you install?
[19:42] <_Trullo> latest server 16.04 lts I think
[19:42] <EriC^> hmm, it should be 4.4
[19:42] <EriC^> maybe it was 14.04lts?
[19:42] <ioria> _Trullo, 2.6.31 it's lucid
[19:43] <nacc> that is 14.04 afaict
[19:43] <nacc> well, 3.13 is
[19:43] <nacc> and yeah, 2.6.31 is way past eol
[19:43] <EriC^> _Trullo: alright, use the 3.13 kernel and initrd
[19:44] <nacc> blackflag: sorry, but i guess if that's the case, then you need to install the PPD, i think you can do that from the printer settings  in system settings
[19:44] <Bashing-om> _Trullo: EriC^ ' ls -al (hd0,msdos1)/etc/issue ' ? To know the release .
[19:44] <Eric> https://playonlinux.en.uptodown.com/ubuntu
[19:45] <nacc> Eric: why did you type that here?
[19:46] <Eric> i just ask if playonlinelinux works on ubuntu?
[19:46] <nacc> Eric: did you? i see no question mark with that URL. Do you mean you were trying to ask that?
[19:47] <_Trullo> EriC^, ok done
[19:47] <EriC^> _Trullo: type boot
[19:48] <ducasse> Eric: playonlinux works on ubuntu, but install it from the repos instead of downloading it yourself
[19:48] <_Trullo> same shit.. it's trying to create a raid.. which I had ages ago on this server..
[19:49] <EriC^> _Trullo: boot the live usb you have and reinstall grub and stuff
[19:49] <_Trullo> can I use the recovery option?
[19:50] <vlt> Hello. Since the latest update of Ubuntu’s Firefox from 51 to 52 the users complain about an (important) java applet not working anymore. How can we fix this?
[19:53] <terlands>  hi! im new to this. and need some help whit changeing themes
[19:53] <terlands> anyone from sweden?
[19:53] <terlands> my english is bad
[19:54] <aotaointbin> i've never met a swede whose english was bad :P
[19:54] <aotaointbin> !ubuntu-se
[19:54] <EriC^> !themes | seen this terlands?
[19:54] <terlands> not talking but taping
[19:54] <terlands> yeha
[19:55] <terlands> but it says i need a gtk+ something to make it work
[19:55] <bekks> terlands: What exactly does what exactly say?
[19:56] <_Trullo> EriC^, should I use a device as root or not, I have no idea which drive is the boot drive..
[19:56] <terlands> it wont look properly cause the necessary gtk+ theme engine "adwaita" is not installed
[19:57] <EriC^> _Trullo: did you boot the live usb?
[19:57] <terlands> sorry i have my ubuntu i swedish
[19:57] <_Trullo> yes, I'm in recoverymode
[19:57] <_Trullo> well, rescue mode
[19:57] <EriC^> _Trullo: does it have parted installed?
[19:58] <ioria> !info gnome-themes-standard
[19:58] <_Trullo> no idea, I'm at the select a drive to use as root file system.. and got a bunch of drives to select from, but I don't want to use the wrong drive and damage data on it..
[19:59] <EriC^> _Trullo: do you have any ubuntu live usb you can use?
[19:59] <EriC^> or any other distro that will give you a live session?
[19:59] <cyrus_> hey i have a question
[19:59] <terlands> anyone?
[20:00] <ioria> !info gnome-themes-standard
[20:00] <cyrus_> i can't find the fingerprint on the site of the io i'm trying to download
[20:00] <bekks> terlands: Why dont you just install adwaita then, if its missing? :)
[20:00] <bekks> cyrus_: Which "site of the io"?
[20:00] <terlands> where do i find it?
[20:00] <cyrus_> the site of the iso is manjaro
[20:00] <ioria> terlands, install gnome-themes-standard
[20:01] <terlands> from the terminal?
[20:01] <cyrus_> how did you know i wanted gnome?
[20:01] <ioria> terlands, sudo apt install gnome-themes-standard
[20:01] <terlands> thank you
[20:01] <cyrus_> is that the fingerprint?
[20:01] <bekks> cyrus_: For manjaro support, please ask the manjaro community.
[20:01] <cyrus_> i did i sent them an email
[20:02] <bekks> cyrus_: And it still doesnt make it being an ubuntu issue.
[20:02] <ducasse> cyrus_: then wait for a response or search online
[20:02] <dmp450> cyrus_: it's right on the get-manjaro page. They have the signature and sha1sum on there.
[20:02] <texla> !osprober
[20:02] <hydrajump> is there a way to show the terminal like grub menu when booting the ubuntu 16.10 iso instead of the graphical UI that has two big buttons "try ubuntu" and "install ubuntu"?
[20:02] <rx-determine> them there is a choice to grub
[20:03] <rx-determine> if you want to install alongside
[20:03] <cyrus_> but i already have the good signiture i'm looking to verify the gpg fingerprint
[20:03] <dmp450> cyrus_: it says at the bottom of that page how to verify.
[20:03] <EriC^> hydrajump: in uefi mode it gives a grub menu
[20:03] <dmp450> under "How to verify our install media"
[20:03] <Bashing-om> hydrajump: You mean to display the grub boot menu in the install ?
[20:04] <EriC^> hydrajump: why do you want one though?
[20:04] <hydrajump> Eric: I need to take a screenshot of it.
[20:04] <kernel_panic> Anyone good with Preseed here?
[20:04] <bekks> kernel_panic: What if?
[20:05] <kernel_panic> bekks: Do you know what the required parameters for a preseed file? The ones that if not given, halt an unattended install?
[20:05] <kernel_panic> bekks: for Ubuntu 16.04
[20:06] <kernel_panic> bekks: This link is for 9.04, I am not sure if the contents apply to 16.04 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UnattendedCD
[20:07] <nacc> kernel_panic: this may help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Preseed
[20:07] <bekks> kernel_panic: I guess its a more like a trial and error at that point.
[20:07] <hydrajump> EriC^: thank you got it by chaning the boot mode
[20:07] <cyrus_> i can't find it
[20:07] <kernel_panic> nacc: thanks
[20:08] <cyrus_> the fingerprint
[20:08] <EriC^> hydrajump: no problem
[20:08] <nacc> kernel_panic: np -- note that depending on how you are providing the preseed, some bits need to be passed on the kernel cmdline as well
[20:08] <nacc> kernel_panic: e.g., networking information, if serving the preseed over the network (othewrise, how would hte installer be able to get the networking config from the preseed file :)
[20:09] <cyrus_> i also have another question
[20:09] <kernel_panic> nacc: Thanks, that is super helpful
[20:10] <nacc> kernel_panic: np
[20:10] <cyrus_> when i try to encrypt or sign a message in thunderbird mail it sais this
[20:10] <cyrus_> Certificate Manager can't locate a valid certificate that can be used to digitally sign your messages with an address of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:10] <cyrus_> but i know i have a public and private key
[20:11] <ducasse> cyrus_: which ubuntu version?
[20:11] <dmp450> cyrus_: where are your keys located?
[20:11] <cyrus_> in a sub directorey
[20:11] <cyrus_> on my dektop
[20:11] <dmp450> cyrus_: that's probably why
[20:12] <cyrus_> where do i need to put them?
[20:12] <dmp450> I can't remember offhand, but I think for thunderbird to sign, you need them in ~/.gnupg
[20:12] <dmp450> or ~/.gpg
[20:12] <dmp450> can't remember the default directory name
[20:12] <cyrus_> ok i'll try brb
[20:12] <dmp450> if you're using Enigmail, I think there's also a setting in there somewhere to choose a different direcotry.
[20:13] <cyrus_> yeah i'm using enig mail
[20:13] <cyrus_> where is the setting?
[20:13] <dmp450> I can't remember where
[20:13] <cyrus_> what is it called?
[20:13] <dmp450> I don't have thunderbird handy at the moment
[20:13] <armin> cups: i use the identical settings on 2 computers, one running voidlinux, the other running ubuntu. the voidlinux one is printing fine, the ubuntu one is only printing the text "**** Unable to open the initial device, quitting.". i copied over the entire /etc/cups directory and restarted cups, to no avail. anyone a hint? thanks!
[20:15] <rx-determine> you are installling a email
[20:15] <rx-determine> you are installling a email ????
[20:15] <dmp450> cyrus_: in the thunderbird settings, there should be an enigmail option. From there, you should be able to import keys. Run through the Enigmail wizard.
[20:16] <ducasse> !who | rx-determine
[20:16] <cyrus_> ok brb
[20:16] <armin> rx-determine: in soviet russia, email install you.
[20:17] <rx-determine> dam
[20:17] <rx-determine> hello armin
[20:17] <armin> hello dear ubuntu users out there! also, hello rx-determine!
[20:19] <cyrus_> dmp450: where is the option?
[20:20] <dmp450> cyrus_: I honestly don't know. I don't have thunderbird with enigmail with me at the moment. Sorry :(
[20:20] <bytefire> does anyone here use quilt
[20:21] <bytefire> how do you make quilt mail to thread the sent messages?
[20:22] <hydrajump> now that I can see the Grub2 menu when booting the ubuntu ISO. Can I change the resolution of the menu from GRUB?
[20:23] <hydrajump> obviously it won't be a permanent change but just so that the menu is legible
[20:23] <hydrajump> I found references to GRUB_GFXMODE but not sure if it can be set from grub>
[20:23] <dmp450> hydrajump: yeah, it's in the grub settings somewhere. I think it's in /etc/default/grub
[20:24] <dmp450> hydrajump: when you are in grub, you can enter grub command line and change options from there
[20:24] <nacc> bytefire: not really ontopic -- but i think it's a flag to quilt
[20:26] <bytefire> nacc: thanks for replying! been asking all day..
[20:27] <bytefire> nacc: sorry can't find the right channel. there is a --reply-to option to quilt mail, but i don't know how to use it.
[20:27] <bytefire> it seems to be looking for a file, i.e. a sent email file
[20:28] <bytefire> when i supply a sent email it works okay but then it still generates an intro email
[20:28] <bytefire> no idea how to do it. btw i'm using 0.65
[20:31] <momken> Hello again
[20:32] <apowl> Having trouble using environment variables with spaces in them
[20:32] <momken> I could compile an out-of-tree driver (kernel module) for my mobile-broadband card
[20:32] <apowl> For example `export space="human readable name"`
[20:32] <momken> Now how could I use it instead of the current driver?
[20:32] <apowl> running `env` would give space=human
[20:33] <apowl> Sorry, interpreting the output of `env` gives space=human
[20:33] <apowl> but ignores "readable name"
[20:33] <S0bait> Hello, is it possible for me to see the UDP messages being sent by an application? My goal is to recreate the same type of messages to send to the same target port.
[20:35] <nacc> apowl: you might want the bash channel?
[20:35] <nacc> bytefire: i would have assumed it's looking for a message ID
[20:36] <nacc> bytefire: or ask the quilt developers? i assume they have an issue tracker or a mailing list
[20:37] <S0bait> anyone?
[20:38] <bytefire> nacc: yeah posted on mailing list yesterday
[20:38] <nacc> S0bait: yes -- i think that's what wireshark and others can do
[20:38] <nacc> bytefire: ok :)
[20:39] <bytefire> nacc: i thought the same - message id. but it fails with error. something like file not found
[20:39] <andrej> trying to replicate an existing machine. did the base install of 12.04 (I know, I know; I'm trying to see how an upgrade will affect the current box). The boxes are both x86_64, architecture according to dpkg  amd64
[20:39] <andrej> doing a dpkg --set-selection from a list of installed packages on the original tries to install a TON of i386 packages on the target - what's going on there?
[20:39] <Bashing-om> hydrajump: Change grub's resolution . doable .. 1st nake sure grub can accommodate . Boot to th grub menu -> 'c'key for a command line and execute ' vbeinfo' . do you see the desired resolution in that output ?
[20:39] <bytefire> nacc: here's the exact check from the script: if [ ! -e "$opt_reply_to" ]
[20:40] <bytefire> then; printf $"File %s does not exist\n" "$opt_reply_to"
[20:40] <bytefire> exit1
[20:40] <bytefire> exit 1**
[20:44] <bytefire> nacc: moreover the /usr/share/doc/README.MAIL file says that patchset emails should automatically use References: header to point to the intro email
[20:45] <MaxiReglisse> #psc
[20:45] <nacc> bytefire: i don't konw, sorry
[20:46] <bytefire> nacc: that's fine :)
[20:50] <cfoch-al1> hi
[20:50] <cfoch-al1> what's your favorite program to make mockups quickly?
[20:51] <nacc> !ot | cfoch-al1
[20:57] <aruns> Hi, I am looking for a good DB visualiser that is easy on the CPU for Ubuntu 16.04.
[20:57] <aruns> I use MySQL Workbench / Sequel Pro at work.
[20:57] <nacc> aruns: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or a DB channel
[20:57] <aruns> I know that Workbench is available for Linux, but suspect there are probably other Linux alternatives out there that are less intensive.
[20:58] <aruns> nacc: OK.
[21:04] <ducasse> aruns: http://alternativeto.net/software/mysql-workbench/?platform=linux
[21:06] <aruns> ducasse: Thanks :D
[21:06] <ducasse> aruns: np, hope it helps you :)
[21:07] <aruns> ducasse: It does, I forgot about DBeaver
[21:07] <aruns> ducasse: I mean, tbh, I use the command line for most operations and am for the most part anti GUI, but a DB visualiser is one of the few exceptions for me.
[21:08] <aruns> It really helps me have a better overview of the records that are returned from my select queries, for a start.
[21:11] <aruns> Hey Nani, hey Mistermild.
[21:12] <aruns> It is I, Oscar winner Leonardo Di Caprio, accepting a tin beans award.
[21:13] <aruns> Hey Nani, is Nani actually your name?
[21:14] <bazhang> aruns do you have an ubuntu support issue
[21:14] <aruns> bazhang: Oh sorry I am in wrong chat sorry
[21:14] <aruns> Wrong terminal window.
[21:19] <G33kDad> should i ask an "ubuntu core on raspberry pi 2" question here or is there another channel?
[21:21] <ducasse> G33kDad: maybe #snappy or #ubuntu-arm, depending on the question.
[21:22] <G33kDad> ducasse: thanks.... i can't get the image from ubuntu.org to boot....
[21:23] <ducasse> G33kDad: then i'd try #ubuntu-arm.
[21:23] <MediocreN> um so... this is super offtopic, but i feel like everyone needs to know
[21:24] <MediocreN> BOGO small boneless wings at all bdubs nationwide today
[21:24] <MediocreN> http://www.buffalowildwings.com/en/2017_blitzbdubs/
[21:24] <bazhang> MediocreN, never post that here, as was told before
[21:24] <IdleOne> MediocreN: very interesting and absolutely useless info.
[21:27] <somethis> Hello good people ... :-)
[21:28] <G33kDad> somethis: hello
[21:30] <bytefire> nacc: so that's a bug in 0.65 the latest version. 0.63 works fine
[21:31] <Eagle-357> Hello sry for my english I just want where i can find a tchat to talk of informatique in general
[21:31] <ducasse> Eagle-357: ask in #freenode
[21:31] <tekk> can anyone recommend an ubuntu based live cd that has no windowing system
[21:31] <tekk> i just want terminal live cd
[21:32] <Eagle-357> ok thx
[21:32] <IdleOne> Eagle-357: there is also #ubuntu-fr
[21:35] <dmp450> tekk: you could just use ubuntu server
[21:35] <tekk> oh i didn't realise ubuntu server had a live mode
[21:35] <tekk> good shout
[21:36] <Eagle-357> thx IdleOne i've yet look
[21:38] <ducasse> tekk: iirc the server install does not exactly have a live mode like the desktop version does
[21:39] <tekk> thats what i thought...
[21:39] <tekk> but dmp450 says otherwise
[21:39] <tekk> giving it a go...
[21:40] <tekk> ok, so i cna confirm there is no live mode
[21:40] <tekk> as expected
[21:40] <tekk> urgh
[21:42] <dmp450> sorry :( I thought it did
[21:43] <dmp450> You could grab a different linux distro as a live disk with no GUI
[21:43] <ducasse> tekk: or just use the console from the desktop image
[21:43] <dmp450> ^
[21:43] <tekk> ctrl+alt+backspace didn't seem to get me out the desktop environment
[21:43] <dmp450> tekk: ctrl+alt+f1
[21:43] <tekk> and the IPMI environment is too crap to navigate mcuh aroudn the desktop
[21:43] <tekk> ah shit
[21:44] <dmp450> or f2, etc
[21:44] <tekk> i got the short cut wrong
[21:44] <tekk> typical
[21:44] <tekk> did it not used to be ctrl+alt+backspace
[21:44] <tekk> or am i old and my brain is shrinking
[21:44] <dmp450> not sure. I've never used it if it has been
[21:44] <dmp450> I've always done f1-f6
[21:44] <ducasse> tekk: it's disabled by default for a long time, enable it with setxkbmap
[21:45] <tekk> heh
[21:45] <tekk> nah its fine, i'll use ctrl+alt+f1 then
[21:45] <ducasse> tekk: 'setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp'
[21:45] <Blackhawk8100> Ello
[21:45] <hasanmerkit> hi everybody
[21:45] <hasanmerkit> i am using windows
[21:45] <somethis> Could someone give please assist with a hint for a next step? Can't power down my Ubuntu ... "Disabling IRQ #16" ...
[21:45] <somethis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/888325/cant-power-down-disabling-irq-16
[21:45] <hasanmerkit> i want to start linux
[21:45] <somethis> http://imgur.com/a/ZFTqL
[21:45] <hasanmerkit> what do you recommend
[21:45] <somethis> <-- description and bios screens
[21:46] <bazhang> ubuntu hasanmerkit
[21:46] <dn1987p> hasanmerkit, you can start by using a vm
[21:46] <hasanmerkit> ubuntu 16.04 on virtualbox?
[21:46] <Blackhawk8100> Quick question, where do I find the Radeon Open source stuff?
[21:46] <dn1987p> hasanmerkit, sure
[21:46] <luksi> Hi all, I have a luks encrypted partition (secondary that holds just personal data) i added entries in fstab and crypttab  however i see the following message when booting: "the disk drive for /mydata is not ready yet or not present" telling me to keep waiting or press S to skip... if i wait all goes OK my guess is that the fstab is tryign to mount
[21:46] <luksi>  before the luks partition is completely "unlocked" can this be the case? is there any options i can pass to stop this from happening?
[21:46] <hasanmerkit> thanks
[21:47] <OerHeks> Blackhawk8100, with 16.04 you will get the open source radeon driver, or AMDgpu opensource, automaticly.
[21:47] <tekk> whilst this channel is active... i've got a weird situation where the drives on my HBA / backplane fail to enumerate with SCSI command timeouts
[21:47] <tekk> http://imgur.com/a/Kap8W
[21:47] <tekk> hangs at boot for a good few minutes attempting with this message before continuing
[21:48] <Blackhawk8100> 16.04+ I'd assume OerHeks
[21:48] <Blackhawk8100> ?
[21:48] <OerHeks> wrong assumption, 16.04 and up.
[21:48] <Blackhawk8100> Sorry, that it is what I meant
[21:48] <Blackhawk8100> Thanks!
[21:52] <ducasse> luksi: try commenting out the fstab line, then reboot and try mounting the mapper device manually.
[22:03] <meem> Hi there, can someone good with programming explain what this image mean http://imgur.com/mQjH4y1
[22:04] <nacc> !ot | meem
[22:09] <Fox9tails> hello - anybody in here ever deal with a digital microscope on ubuntu 16.04?
[22:09] <Fox9tails> or at least 14.04?
[22:09] <vlt> Hello. Is it generally safe to assume that I don’t need to backup my ~/.cache directory?
[22:11] <luksi> ducasse: it mounts ok when i do that, it also mounts OK if i wait... it seems like it is trying to mount the entry on fstab before the entry on crypttab is done but after sometime it probably retries it and all goes good
[22:11] <luksi> but i cant get rid of the msg
[22:11] <ducasse> Fox9tails: that is kind of a narrow question, you might have better luck asking for help in ##linux
[22:11] <ducasse> vlt: quite safe, yes.
[22:12] <Fox9tails> ducasse: i will try there. ty.
[22:12] <vlt> ducasse: Thank you. Any edge case in mind?
[22:16] <ducasse> vlt: not a single one that i can think of, and i frequently wipe ~/.cache
[22:17] <donofrio> anyone here keeping up with 17.04?
[22:17] <benjaminaxis> /amsg 1984+33=? English || Alfred Schaefer Speaks || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfywkITR1-E || 1984 is here today. We have lost our ability to think and to speak clearly. || Those who do not want us to be able to think, do not want you to understand this. Please copy this video and upload again and share with all of the people you know.
[22:17] <nacc> !ubuntu+1 | donofrio
[22:18] <vlt> ducasse: Ok, that’s enough to comvince me.  English (24:02) by Alfred S [+113/-4, 1380 views] [YouTube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfywkITR1-E ||  Those who do not want us to be able to think, do not want you to understand this. Please copy this video and upload again and share with all of the people you know.
[22:19] <dax> OerHeks: thanks
[22:20] <sonOfRa> Is there an easy way to create a live USB stick that uses the proprietary nvidia-drivers rather than nouveau? I'm having trouble with nvidia-drivers on my rig, and they go away with nouveau. I'd like to debug if it's actually nvidia-drivers, or some other software that I have installed...
[22:20] <elisa871> how can I access the history from an ssh session I had to my machine?
[22:20] <elisa871> the current history only shows the history of the current tab in the terminal not even the tab next to it
[22:21] <ducasse> vlt: try to shut down the programs you can conveniently shut down, though. i do, in case something is badly written and gets confused.
[22:21] <nacc> elisa871: yes, because they are different bash shells
[22:21] <elisa871> is there any such thing as global history across all the times a user accesses a machine?
[22:21] <ducasse> vlt: if you wipe it while running, i mean.
[22:21] <wedgie> elisa871: in many cases the history isn't written to .bash_history until the shell exits
[22:21] <OerHeks> !info snoopy
[22:21] <nacc> elisa871: no, not really
[22:22] <dn1987p> would logging into the local machine via ssh show it?
[22:22] <somethis> Hello good people. Any suggestions on how to go on from here? ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/888325/cant-power-down-disabling-irq-16
[22:24] <OerHeks> elisa871, standard not for ssh, but see snoopy >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/112686/log-ssh-activity
[22:24] <elisa871> OerHeks: so how to use snoopy for seeing history?
[22:24] <OerHeks> elisa871, you have to install it first, i guess.
[22:24] <nacc> elisa871: well, you'd need it already for it to be useful
[22:25] <elisa871> I did OerHeks
[22:25] <elisa871> sudo: /home/mona/.bash_history: command not found OerHeks nacc
[22:26] <nacc> elisa871: what?
[22:26] <nacc> elisa871: that's not a command and why are you using sudo?
[22:27] <nacc> elisa871: iirc, you have come in here every few days and asked these sort of questions -- not really a support question (like you've found a bug), but wanting to learn -- which is great, but offtopic IMO. There are lots of great guides and tutorials, books, etc. for learning this
[22:28] <OerHeks> elisa871, the github page of the maker shows a help, edit  etc/snoopy.ini first  https://github.com/a2o/snoopy
[22:28] <OerHeks> the log will be pretty raw ..
[22:29] <kacem> OerHeks: invite
[22:29] <vlt> ducasse: Sure. In my case it was just about backup.
[22:29] <OerHeks> kacem, invite what?
[22:37] <elias_a> People for a cup of coffee?
[22:38] <bazhang> elias_a, try the offtopic chat
[22:39] <vlt> Hello. Since the latest update of Ubuntu’s Firefox from 51 to 52 the users complain about an (important) java applet not working anymore. How can we fix this?
[22:41] <OerHeks> Firefox 52 ... two major changes: support for WebAssembly and the removal of support for NPAPI (Netscape Plugin API) plugins like Silverlight, Java, and others, with the exception of Flash.
[22:41] <vlt> Right. What can we do?
[22:42] <OerHeks> vlt,  there maybe a hack to make java work http://www.webupd8.org/2017/03/firefox-52-released-with-webassembly.html
[22:43] <vlt> OerHeks: Thank you.
[22:43] <OerHeks> FF esr download, unpack, etc
[22:46] <Blackhawk8100> How do I disable a built in audio output in Ubuntu?
[22:47] <elias_a> ikonia: Any news about Skype for linux doing progress? :)
[22:49] <Blackhawk8100> *crickets*
[22:50] <bazhang> Blackhawk8100, ubuntu support here, chatter in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:50] <Blackhawk8100> Isn't what I asked support?  bazhang?
[22:51] <Wirehunter> !patience | Blackhawk8100
[22:51] <bazhang> Blackhawk8100, check pavucontrol and padevchooser
[22:52] <bazhang> elias_a, skype for ubuntu is in the partner repos
[22:52] <bazhang> !info skype partner | elias_a
[22:54] <Wirehunter> bazhang, there is the skypeforlinux package now, right? With skype 5, although it's in beta.
[22:54] <Wirehunter> !info skypeforlinux
[22:55] <bazhang> Wirehunter, could be, but not in the ubuntu repos
[22:55] <bazhang> Wirehunter, the repos are where we tell people to install from here
[22:56] <Wirehunter> bazhang, I see, must be on skype's own repo then.
[22:56] <bazhang> could be
[22:58] <Amara> Is it safe for daily desktop usage to mount with noatime? 16.04
[23:02] <frozenonline> anyone have issues with screen tearing with nvidia graphics?
[23:02] <Wirehunter> frozenonline, I do.
[23:02] <bazhang> which card and what drivers, which version of ubuntu
[23:02] <Wirehunter> frozenonline, Using nvidia-prime. Known issue I think.
[23:03] <frozenonline> 960m; Drivers 378.13; ubuntu 16.04
[23:03] <Amara> frozenonline, it is said in the nvidia forum by a mod or something, patches are sent, but it won't be in 16.04.
[23:03] <bazhang> frozenonline, tearing using what vid player\
[23:03] <frozenonline> I have an i7 6770HQ; MSI Laptop GP72-6QF
[23:04] <tatertots> frozenonline: screen tearing in firefox? or any specific application ?
[23:04] <Amara> it is a known issue with nvidia, both x and kernel needed patches
[23:04] <frozenonline> firefox mostly and simple watching small videos within VLC, Video Player
[23:05] <bazhang> frozenonline, what happens with smplayer
[23:06] <tatertots> frozenonline: in firefox enter "about:config" in the address bar (without the " " of course) and observe your settings
[23:07] <tatertots> frozenonline: locate "layers.acceleration.force-enabled"
[23:07] <tatertots> frozenonline: report it's state/status
[23:07] <frozenonline> haven't tried smplayer
[23:08] <frozenonline> default | boolean | false
[23:08] <tatertots> frozenonline: set it to "true"
[23:08] <bazhang> frozenonline, so why not give it a check
[23:09] <tatertots> frozenonline: apply the changes, exit and relaunch/restart firefox and test for this so called "tearing"
[23:10] <tatertots> frozenonline: report observations afterward
[23:10] <bazhang> frozenonline, does the video have a slightly blue-ish tint to it
[23:12] <bazhang> does the tearing on vlc come with reszing the window, does vlc start fullscreen
[23:13] <frozenonline> smplayer seems to work nicely.
[23:14] <frozenonline> For VLC it happens in reg window and in FS mode
[23:14] <frozenonline> no change on setting the default value from false to true
[23:15] <bazhang> so on to test with smplayer, if you so decide
[23:15] <frozenonline> no bluish tint
[23:15] <bazhang> not video acceleration then
[23:15] <frozenonline> oddly enough when using the xvidia settings and switching to intel works fine..
[23:17] <frozenonline> This may not be the proper venue but I have a question in regards to the nvidia settings; if my display shows. "PRIME Displays cannot be controlled by nvidia-settings and must be configured by an external RandR capable tool.
[23:17] <Wirehunter> This is why I want to switch over to bumblebee one day.
[23:17] <frozenonline> Does that may any difference when modifying the xorg.conf file?
[23:18] <hydrajump> is it possible to use a font .pf2 as a terminal font?
[23:18] <frozenonline> would upgrading to the latest X11 (1.19) make a difference?
[23:19] <frozenonline> or it simply an nvidia driver issue or a combination thereof?
[23:19] <bazhang> frozenonline, doing all that before checking other video players?
[23:21] <Wirehunter> frozenonline, just google nvidia prime screen tearing, lot's of people having the same issues and possible fixes.
[23:22] <frozenonline> thanks wire.
[23:22] <tarelerulz> I want to copy a 5.9 gb file to a thumb drive of 128.   I read online how to format and even mount it so Icould transfer the file.  It still says win95 on Fdisk -l.   It copy file an the last bit it said some kind of error.  I'm lost what should I do ?  I trying to play the file on the PS4.   I having such a hard time getting this working.  Is exfat supported any more.
[23:22] <Wirehunter> Or workarounds :(
[23:23] <Wirehunter> You can use bumblebee instead of nvidia prime as well, but I think it's hard to configure. It didn't work for me and I gave up on it.
[23:24] <Wirehunter> It creates a new xorg instance with the gpu, just to run a specific application and switches off the gpu when it isn't required without logout/reboot.
[23:27] <james1138> Question about Ubuntu 16.04.02 in the 32 bit version. Is PAE enabled by default or is some manual tweaking needed??
[23:27] <Arathen> Hiya all. Not sure im in the right place. Is there anyone here with knowledge of the ubuntu classic server image for raspberry pi 2?
[23:29] <Seven_Six_Two> popey, are you available? You approved my wiki editor application, but I still can't edit the London, Ontario page.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/London
[23:30] <k1l_> james1138: ubuntu is PAE only :)
[23:33] <james1138> Mayor Thanks K1l!!  I am using the 64 bit version but I am just plain worn out trying to get my older 32 bit apps to run. On top of that... getting Wine to run 32 bit so I can keep playing my favorite old 32 bit games... yuck. If this grampa had hair - it be yanked out.
[23:34] <james1138> The only thing I see maybe a issue of Chrome no longer updates 32 bit... but I can live with that.
[23:34] <k1l_> james1138: ubuntu is multiarch. so you can run 32bit stuff on the 64bit os. and there should not be any doubt to run a 64bit os on a 64bit cpu
[23:34] <k1l_> james1138: wine runs on 64bit.
[23:35] <dax> but yeah, as you mentioned the opposite is not true
[23:35] <james1138> Wine requires 32 bit architure (sorry spelling) to run 32 bit Windows apps.
[23:35] <dax> (so no 64-bit dependent stuff on 32-bit)
[23:37] <k1l_> james1138: it depens on 32bit libs which you can install on 64bit ubuntu.
[23:38] <k1l_> iirc wine will drag in a lot of 32bit libs anyway.
[23:40] <LFP6> Google isn't really helping me here... If I have an incoming request on <IP_ADDRESS>:80, how would I redirect that to <IP_ADDRESS>:8081, which is on the same machine (I assume using iptables)
[23:40] <LFP6> I'm having issues binding my server directly to the second IP for some reason... It's a DigitalOcean floating IP, and doesn't appear on ifconfig, so I'm wondering if that could also be causing issues...
[23:58] <snowrichard>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER snowrichard rycwohzttfex
[23:59] <hggdh> snowrichard: time to change your password
[23:59] <LFP6> You added a space there
[23:59] <LFP6> ^


[00:10] <anastasiamac> davecheney: r u moaning or is it exclamation?
[00:19]  * hatch pokes his head in
[00:20] <hatch> marcoceppi: that sounds very odd, can you file an issue with steps to reproduce?
[00:21] <davecheney> anastasiamac: 10:52 < marcoceppi> i just realized this whole demo is borked because cabs can't speak 2.0 api
[00:21] <hatch> marcoceppi: is this with juju 2.0 or 1.2x?
[01:02] <marcoceppi> it's okay, i've become a reluctant expert at demo magic, all is well rick_h__ davecheney
[01:02] <marcoceppi> hatch: I can actually reproduce it in 1.25 and released juju gui
[01:02] <marcoceppi> as well as 2.0 and ~juju/juju-gui
[01:02] <hatch> marcoceppi: yay a repruducable bug :D
[01:02] <davecheney> huzzah!
[01:02] <hatch> marcoceppi: if you are able to create an issue for it now, I can probably get someone on it tonight
[01:04] <hatch> (which would be my preference) :D
[01:05] <marcoceppi> hatch: I have to deploy another service
[01:06] <hatch> marcoceppi: I just mean file an issue on github with steps for us to reproduce it
[01:33] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: glad to hear it
[01:33] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: how did it go?
[01:33] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: great
[01:33] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: <3
[07:33] <mup> Bug #1553059 opened: Help output when killing a `shared model` is incorrect <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553059>
[09:59] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: dooferlad: grabbing coffee
[09:59] <voidspace> didn't see the time
[09:59] <voidspace> be there in 5, sorry
[09:59] <dimitern> voidspace, np, omw as well
[10:03] <voidspace> right, omw
[11:12] <fwereade> voidspace, would particularly appreciate your thoughts on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4060/
[11:45] <dimitern> fwereade, cheers btw! I'm having a look and so far it looks great
[12:04] <dimitern> fwereade, you've got a review
[12:08] <voidspace> fwereade: ok
[12:27] <voidspace> fwereade: you've added discoverSpacesComplete as a gate.Lock, but it doesn't appear to be used
[12:27] <voidspace> fwereade: is it just there as a reminder, or can it be removed
[12:27] <fwereade> voidspace, ...well spotted, that was left over from before
[12:27] <fwereade> voidspace, thanks
[12:28] <voidspace> fwereade: and TestSpaceDiscoveryRuns is not yet written I assume...
[12:29] <fwereade> voidspace, yeah, the trouble there is that the existing tests use patched constructors which don't really work for dep engine workers
[12:29] <voidspace> fwereade: will you leave the unlocker in the discoverspaces.Config definition
[12:29] <fwereade> voidspace, I should probably just hack a quick patched-ctor test back in and move on, and worry about integrating everything together
[12:30] <fwereade> voidspace, I thought I would, since I have tests both with and without it -- easy to drop if we don't need it, but I'd already written the code
[12:30] <voidspace> yep
[12:30] <voidspace> cool
[12:37] <voidspace> fwereade: worker changes look good to me
[12:44] <voidspace> fwereade: heh, moving ConvertSpaceName will conflict with my current branch that moves it to network package
[12:44] <voidspace> fwereade: ah well...
[12:45] <voidspace> it's going away altogether soon as well.
[12:48] <fwereade> voidspace, cool
[12:51] <voidspace> fwereade: yeah, all LGTM except the unwritten test and the left over gate
[12:51] <voidspace> fwereade: thanks for your work here
[12:57] <fwereade> voidspace, np, thanks
[13:10] <rogpeppe2> mgz: yo!
[13:10] <rogpeppe> mgz: why can't I copy a bzr repo from one place to another and have it work?
[13:10] <mgz> rogpeppe: hey
[13:10] <rogpeppe> mgz: i get "No repository present"
[13:10] <mgz> did yoy not take the .bzr dir with the repo?
[13:11] <rogpeppe> mgz: i did
[13:11] <rogpeppe> mgz: there's no difference between the dirs (according to diff -r)
[13:11] <mgz> do `bzr info -v` will tell you where it is
[13:11] <rogpeppe> bzr: bzr: ERROR: No repository present: "file:///home/rog/tomb/"
[13:11] <mgz> right, so where was the original?
[13:12] <rogpeppe> mgz: in ~/src/go/launchpad.net/tomb
[13:12] <rogpeppe> mgz: ah!
[13:13] <mgz> the other thing is, you can bzr push from the original location to... more things than you'd expect from other vscs, works to filesystem at least
[13:13] <rogpeppe> mgz: i think it must be a cobzr artifact
[13:14] <rogpeppe> mgz: i don't have the problem if i branch directly from lp
[13:14] <rogpeppe> mgz: odd
[13:14] <mgz> rogpeppe: yeah, and you can copy the whole dir structure without needing bzr and that will work too
[13:15] <rogpeppe> mgz: that's what i did
[13:15] <rogpeppe> mgz: and was expecting to work
[13:15] <rogpeppe> mgz: but i needed to run bzr on the result
[13:15] <rogpeppe> mgz: (to update deps)
[13:16] <mgz> rogpeppe: but if the repo is at say, ~/src/go and the branch is at ~/src/go/launchpad.net/tomb you didn't take the actualy revision history
[13:16] <rogpeppe> mgz: no, the repo is in the tomb dir
[13:16] <mgz> but I'm not sure how cobzr confuses things exactly
[13:18] <rogpeppe> mgz: neither me
[13:18] <rogpeppe> mgz: i'm assuming it has an abs path somewhere
[13:21] <rogpeppe> mgz: hmm, no, i'm still seeing the issue
[13:22] <rogpeppe> mgz: have you got a moment or two to join a hangout?
[13:22] <rogpeppe> mgz: 'cos i'm probably being totally stupid
[13:23] <mgz> rogpeppe: sure
[13:24] <mgz> hm, though if you can just suse a fresh branch that would be fine
[15:24] <dimitern> frobware, dooferlad, voidspace, please have a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4064/ when you can
[15:27] <dooferlad> dimitern: swap: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4002/
[15:28] <dimitern> dooferlad, looking
[15:29] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks :-)
[15:36] <dooferlad> dimitern: were you trying to find out the maximum length of a go function name?
[15:36] <natefinch> lol
[15:36] <dooferlad> TestAddLinkLayerDevicesRefusesToAddContainerChildDeviceWithNonBridgeParent seems to be winning.
[15:36] <katco> ericsnow: natefinch: don't forget to complete your self-reviews + 360s by today
[15:36] <alexisb> lol
[15:36] <dimitern> dooferlad, yeah, that's the 3rd edition of the name, used to be longer :)
[15:37] <dooferlad> dimitern: well, if we didn't use CamelCase it wouldn't fit on a screen
[15:37] <natefinch> TestAddLinkLayerDevicesParentNameAsGlobalKeyFailsForContainerIfParentMissing
[15:37] <ericsnow> k
[15:38] <natefinch> katco: yep
[15:44] <cherylj> frobware: ping?
[15:52] <natefinch> ericsnow, katco: so, all the helpers for uploading bytes are in the csclient code, probably because UploadCharm etc exist only in csclient.  For now I'm just going to put the meat of UploadResource in csclient and lightly wrap it in CharmStore, unless you have another suggestion?
[15:53] <katco> natefinch: i think that's fine, but want ericsnow to weigh in as he and wallyworld continued discussing after i had EOD.
[15:53] <katco> natefinch: i think wallyworld's main point was just to use the same wrapper that the rest of core code was using
[15:54] <katco> natefinch: annnd i think ericsnow just answered your question in email :)
[15:54] <ericsnow> natefinch: Ian and I never actually got back together; I had to go before he had time
[15:56] <natefinch> ericsnow: ok
[15:58] <natefinch> ericsnow: I think we have to include the filename is resource POST (UploadResource), since the charmstore is going to do the same extension matching as the controller
[15:58] <natefinch> ericsnow: I presume that'll just be another query parameter
[15:59] <ericsnow> natefinch: we'll want to check with the UI team on that; they may not feel the need to be as careful about matching the file types
[15:59] <natefinch> ericsnow: I asked rick_h__ yesterday and he said we want to do it :)
[15:59] <ericsnow> natefinch: regarding code in charmrepo/csclient that we may need, we'll need to wrap those in the charmrepo package
[16:00] <ericsnow> natefinch: k
[16:01] <ericsnow> natefinch: I just sent a reply to that email about charmrepo.CharmStore vs. csclient.Client, explaining the intended design a bit more clearly (hopefully :))
[16:01] <natefinch> ericsnow: btw, just edited your Resources in the Charm Store doc... upload charm uses hash=foo for the has, so I changed our hash param name to match
[16:01] <dooferlad> frobware, dimitern: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/juju-spaces
[16:02] <ericsnow> natefinch: thanks for syncing that up with prior art :)
[16:03] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: spaces meeting?
[16:12] <dimitern> voidspace, uh sorry, omw
[16:12] <dooferlad> dimitern: we stopped.
[16:12] <dimitern> dooferlad, why so?
[16:12] <dooferlad> dimitern: you and frobware weren't there. voidspace and I didn't have anything to report.
[16:12] <dimitern> thedac, ping
[16:13] <thedac> dimitern: hey
[16:13] <dimitern> thedac, hey, sorry I got distracted - we should do a quick sync up though, if you don't mind
[16:14] <thedac> dimitern: Would you be available at the bottom of the hour?
[16:14] <thedac> I jumped into another meeting :)
[16:14] <dimitern> thedac, yes, let's do it then
[16:14] <thedac> sounds good. See you then.
[16:14] <dimitern> cheers
[16:18] <natefinch> ericsnow: what should upload resource return? The revision?
[16:18] <ericsnow> natefinch: yep
[16:28] <dimitern> dooferlad, you have a review
[16:29] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks. Nearly done with yours.
[16:29] <thedac> dimitern: I am on the hangout now, whenever you are free.
[16:29] <dimitern> dooferlad, quite a few issues I'm afraid, but let me know what you think
[16:29] <dimitern> thedac, omw
[16:31] <ericsnow> natefinch: did that make sense about charmrepo.Client vs. csclient.Client?
[16:33]  * natefinch rereads
[16:33] <frobware> dimitern, thedac: apologies for missing the call - I have water pouring out of my ceiling(s). :(
[16:34] <natefinch> ericsnow: yeah, that's pretty much how I was thinking of it... though sometimes there's not much high level logic to put in charmstore :)
[16:34] <frobware> dimitern, thedac: scrolling back - is the meeting on now?
[16:34] <dimitern> frobware, yep
[16:35] <thedac> frobware: it is
[16:35] <ericsnow> natefinch: yeah, that was my objection...which would perhaps be more relevant if we were writing this new :)
[16:36] <dimitern> frobware, are you coming as we're about to wrap up?
[16:37] <frobware> dimitern: yes, omw.
[16:48] <natefinch> ericsnow: the spec has PUT  /id/resources/name/?hash=foo&filename=bar ... just checking that the slash after name is intentional
[16:49] <ericsnow> natefinch: not intentional
[16:49] <natefinch> ericsnow: ok
[16:49] <natefinch> ericsnow: good to know :)
[16:49] <ericsnow> natefinch: (copy and paste error) :)
[16:50] <natefinch> ericsnow: I'm not exactly sure how much it matters, but since I have to either type it or not, I might as well ask :)
[16:50] <ericsnow> natefinch: note that I also added size as a query arg
[16:51] <natefinch> ericsnow: do we need size?  we have the hash, so we can verify the contents
[16:51] <katco> natefinch: ericsnow: was just thinking the same thing
[16:51] <natefinch> oh, and we already put size in Content-Length
[16:52] <ericsnow> natefinch: ah okay
[17:02] <cherylj> frobware: you around?
[17:07] <frobware> cherylj: yes
[17:08] <mup> Bug #1553272 opened: help text for destroy-model needs improving <helpdocs> <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553272>
[17:08] <cherylj> frobware: I opened up bug 1553017 for the xenial deployment issues
[17:08] <mup> Bug #1553017: Unable to deploy xenial on MAAS / resolv.conf not populated <open-iscsi (Ubuntu):In Progress by smoser> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553017>
[17:08] <frobware> cherylj: yes, noticed this morning, thx.
[17:09] <cherylj> smoser put in a workaround that I will try with your patch for bug 1550306
[17:09] <mup> Bug #1550306: 1.25.3 can't bootstrap xenial environments <landscape> <juju-core:Fix Committed by frobware> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550306>
[17:09] <cherylj> frobware: one thing I did see, though, that seems to be unique to your patch for that bug ^^
[17:10] <cherylj> When I deployed to that node that had 2 NICs set up for testing bug 1549545
[17:10] <mup> Bug #1549545: Bundle deploys fail at lxc-start when bridge br-eth1 is created <ci> <deploy> <maas-provider> <test-failure> <juju-core:In Progress by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1549545>
[17:10] <cherylj> I couldn't juju ssh into it
[17:10] <cherylj> I could ssh directly to the IP
[17:10] <cherylj> and all the agents were running fime
[17:10] <cherylj> fine
[17:11] <cherylj> but just running juju ssh 1 didn't work
[17:11] <cherylj> (i'm rebootstrapping after verifying that it worked properly with 1.25 tip, and will get you the error message then)
[17:13] <frobware> cherylj: and the one thing is?
[17:13] <cherylj> I can't juju ssh into the node
[17:13] <cherylj> seems to only happen when I run with your patch for bug  1550306
[17:14] <cherylj> juju ssh 1
[17:14] <cherylj> Warning: Permanently added '<IP_ADDRESS>' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
[17:14] <cherylj> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[17:14] <frobware> cherylj: dns issue.
[17:14] <frobware> possibly
[17:15] <frobware> cherylj: did you just apt-get update to get smosers changes?
[17:15] <cherylj> from machine 0?
[17:15] <frobware> cherylj: can we HO - might go a bit quicker.
[17:16] <cherylj> on the maas-controller?
[17:16] <cherylj> sure
[17:16] <cherylj> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/cheryl-jennings?authuser=0
[17:17] <mup> Bug #1553272 changed: help text for destroy-model needs improving <helpdocs> <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553272>
[17:23] <mup> Bug #1553272 opened: help text for destroy-model needs improving <helpdocs> <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553272>
[17:28] <natefinch> ericsnow: if you have a little time, sanity check my function signatures?  don't need a full review yet, just want to make sure we're on the same page. https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/65/files
[17:28] <ericsnow> natefinch: k
[17:44] <katco> ericsnow: natefinch-lunch: rogpeppe is going to give us some reviews on our 1-pager
[17:44] <ericsnow> katco: k
[17:47] <ericsnow> natefinch-lunch: I left a few comments on that PR.
[17:49]  * katco lunches
[17:53] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: if you upload a new charm revision, does it have any resources by default, or do you have to put all the resources every time you upload a new charm?
[17:53] <rogpeppe> katco: ^
[17:54] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: they get associated when you publish
[17:54] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: so resources aren't associated with a particular charm revision when you upload them?
[17:54] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: correct
[17:55] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: it might be worth mentioning that in the API docs
[17:55] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: a resource revision may be associated with more than one charm revision
[17:55] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: so unpublished charms can't have any resources?
[17:56] <ericsnow> katco: ^^^
[17:56] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: I don't see why not, but the only mechanism we have to tie resource revisions to a charm revision is publishing
[17:56] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: that's my point
[17:57] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: just checking
[17:57] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: and can you "re-publish" the same charm revision several times with different resources?
[17:57] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: yep
[17:58] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: so that means that if you deploy (say) wordpress-4, you won't necessarily get the same thing each time?
[17:58] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: even though you've specified the revision exactly
[17:58] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: unfortunately yeah (this is a discussion we've had a bunch of times :/ )
[17:59] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: that does seem bad
[17:59] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: there's now a problematic implicit charm revision tuple (rev, res 1 rev, ...)
[17:59] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: that skuppers reproducible charm deployment
[18:00] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: we could discuss this with rick_h__ again...
[18:00] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: I agree that it is a potential problem for that use case
[18:00] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: that's really important, i think
[18:01] <rogpeppe> jcastro: you got opinions on this jorge?
[18:01] <ericsnow> rick_h__: we should make sure this is settled ^^^
[18:01] <rick_h__> ericsnow: looking, otp atm but we'll see
[18:01] <ericsnow> rick_h__: np
[18:02] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: thanks for taking a look, BTW
[18:02] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: np. i've been meaning to do it for ages, sorry.
[18:06] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: it seems like the alternative is to make that implicit charm revision explicit: i.e. introduce a charm super-revision that maps to the revision tuple and use that to identify a charm "configuration" (poor name, I know)
[18:06] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: yes
[18:06] <jcastro> I am firmly in the reproduceability camp. marcoceppi ^^ wdyt
[18:06] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: but then we'd have 2 different charm revisions, which is confusing
[18:06] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: well, they're really different charms
[18:07] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: if you consider that a charm is really that tuple of stuff
[18:07] <marcoceppi> wait
[18:07] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: depends on if by "charm" you mean the archive or the archive + resources
[18:08] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: well, for the purposes of deployment it's gotta mean the latter
[18:08] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: unless we have clear and distinct language for the two, this is going to confuse people
[18:08] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: oh, I agree
[18:08] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: as the resources influence the behaviour of the charm
[18:09] <marcoceppi> ericsnow rogpeppe I agree with jcastro - the entire point of that revision is it's a moment in time that can be reproduced. If we're breaking that now it's not a good thing for the ecosystem
[18:09] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: so "charm revision" would mean different things in different contexts
[18:09] <rogpeppe> marcoceppi: i thought you'd say that :)
[18:09] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: well, it's a good question
[18:09] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: are resources specified in the charm metadata?
[18:10] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: yep
[18:10] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: so really, like bundles, it should be an error to upload a charm without some resources in place
[18:10] <jcastro> ok so when the resource needs to be revved the charm metadata needs to change right?
[18:10] <rogpeppe> jcastro: i hope not
[18:10] <marcoceppi> jcastro: no
[18:11] <marcoceppi> jcastro: resource revision is tracked in the store not in the charm
[18:11] <jcastro> ack
[18:11] <mup> Bug #1553292 opened: TestGoroutineProfile dial unix : no such file or directory <go1.5> <go1.6> <intermittent-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553292>
[18:11] <ericsnow> jcastro: the *definition*  of the resource is provided in the charm metadata
[18:11] <marcoceppi> jcastro: the problem is, you can rev charms and resources independantly of each other. So you could have resource+1 assocated to an existing charm which is technically a different experience
[18:11] <ericsnow> jcastro: the resource file is on top of that
[18:11] <rogpeppe> so in a way, it might make sense to specify a charm's associated resources at charm archive upload time
[18:12] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: there's a chicken-and-egg problem though, no?
[18:12] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: well yeah
[18:12] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: resources should not exist without the related charm
[18:12] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: :)
[18:13] <marcoceppi> rogpeppe ericsnow it seems to me, if you rev a resource version, it should artificially rev the charm version. Since "resource-upgrades" invoke a charm-upgrade it would solidify that story.
[18:13] <ericsnow> marcoceppi: we had discussed that, but I don't recall why we didn't pursue it
[18:14] <rogpeppe> here's another possibility: a POST to /$id/bindresources will create a new charm id with some specified resources associated with the given charm id
[18:15] <rogpeppe> and you ensure that you can't publish a charm to any channel unless all its resources have been bound
[18:15] <marcoceppi> ericsnow rogpeppe we could track the charm version as `cs:[~user]/series/charm-ver+resource_ver` cs:~marcoceppi/trusty/wordpress-12+2`
[18:15] <marcoceppi> or with a hash, I feel they're underutilized in the charm url schema wordpress-12#2 ;)
[18:15] <rogpeppe> marcoceppi: wouldn't it have to be wordpress-32+resource1:4+resource2:3 ?
[18:15] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: requiring all resources be there is already a requirement
[18:16] <marcoceppi> oh, yeah :\
[18:16] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: ok, but currently publishing doesn't create a new revno
[18:16] <marcoceppi> rogpeppe: unless you considering a bundling of resources a version of that charm's resources
[18:16] <ericsnow> marcoceppi, rogpeppe: yeah, this is a hairy mess
[18:16] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: i'm proposing a primitive separate from publishing that makes a new revno
[18:16] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: right, that is one of the sticky points
[18:16] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: and you can then publish that
[18:17] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: so any revno always specifies an exact (charm, resources) tuple
[18:17] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: the question is, how to charmers and admins communicate about charm revisions?
[18:17] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: you'd still want to talk about the revision of a charm archive, right?
[18:18] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: i dunno
[18:18] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: maybe; although a hash is just as useful tbh
[18:18] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: agreed
[18:18] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: or a commit number
[18:19] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: charm revisions are pretty arbitrary tbh
[18:19] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: but then we're changing the meaning of "charm revision" in a way that may confuse users
[18:19] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: welcome to the brave new world of resources :)
[18:19] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: exactly
[18:20] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: but in other ways, we're keeping the important thing about charm revisions - if you specify a charm revision, you know what you're getting
[18:20] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: this is why we've had this same discussion several times already. :/
[18:20] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: right, I agree that is the important part
[18:20] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: also, for charms without resources the meaning of "charm revision" will be the same
[18:20] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: i think that this is less confusing to the real users, and charm authors won't take long to catch up
[18:21] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: yes it will
[18:21] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: it just means that the second part of the tuple is always constant
[18:21] <rogpeppe> s/second/resources/
[18:23] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: how about we always tie resources to a charm [archive] revision when we upload them, then other charm revisions may use existing resource revisions
[18:23] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: the we don't need to add another API endpoint
[18:24] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: how do you make a new charm revision with a different set of resources without uploading the archive again?
[18:24] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: publish will require that the charm entity have all it's resources set
[18:25] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: that doesn't answer the question AFAICS
[18:26] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: if i've uploaded a charm and specified the resources to associate with it, and then i want to make a new revision associated with new resources, without uploading the same archive again, how can I do that?
[18:26] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: hmm, you specify the resource revision explicitly during "upload"?  "publish" will support associating them, but that doesn't help with development charms, etc.
[18:27] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: Perhaps you're right then about having an explicit endpoint  for tying charm to resource revs
[18:27] <rogpeppe> ericsnow, marcoceppi, jcastro: unfortunately i have to go now
[18:27] <rogpeppe> it's been a useful discussion, thanks
[18:28] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: also, upload should be smart enough that it doesn't actually upload a resource blob that it already has (it should re-use the matching resource revision)
[18:28] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: thanks for bringing it up!
[18:29] <mup> Bug #1553298 opened: TestCloudInitWithGUI cannot fetch Juju GUI: cannot read Juju GUI archive: open \\gui.tar.bz2 on windows <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core embedded-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553298>
[18:29] <mup> Bug #1553299 opened: TestCloudInitWithGUI cannot open posix paths on windows <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core embedded-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553299>
[18:29] <mup> Bug #1553303 opened: TestCloudInitWithGUIError cannot open posix path on windows <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core embedded-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553303>
[18:41] <mup> Bug #1553308 opened: Windows and Centos: Panic: unknown OS for series: "wily" <centos> <ci> <panic> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core embedded-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553308>
[18:50] <voidspace> bye all
[18:50] <voidspace> have a good weekend
[18:50] <natefinch> ericsnow: did you get a chance to peek at my PR?  Like I said I don't need a detailed review, as long as I'm basically in the right ballpark
[18:51] <ericsnow> natefinch: yeah, I left comments
[18:51] <natefinch> ericsnow: oh, huh, I expected it to refresh when I went from code to comments, but I guess it doesn't.  Thanks
[19:00] <natefinch> ericsnow: in your comment, you say I'm missing the resoucre revision... do you mean on the arguments to upload?  Can you specify the revision number when you upload a resource?
[19:00] <natefinch> re: https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/65#discussion_r55062391
[19:02] <ericsnow> natefinch: the comment relates to the last line in the snippet, not the first :)
[19:02] <ericsnow> natefinch: GH code review, FTW
[19:02] <natefinch> ericsnow: oh, yeah, that makes much more sense
[19:03] <natefinch> ericsnow: yeah, GH code reviews, huzzah
[19:05] <mup> Bug #1553320 opened: TestBootstrapGUIErrorInvalidVersion os.ProcessState exit status 2 <centos> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core embedded-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553320>
[19:05] <mup> Bug #1553322 opened: TestBootstrapGUIErrorUnexpectedArchive os.ProcessState exit status 2 on centos <centos> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core embedded-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553322>
[19:08] <rick_h__> ericsnow: natefinch katco did you all want to chat?
[19:08] <katco> rick_h__: sure
[19:08] <katco> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=1
[19:08] <natefinch> brt
[19:16] <katco> marcoceppi: jcastro: want to join us? ^^^
[19:32] <jcastro> marcoceppi: we need you ^^
[20:09] <katco> jcastro: marcoceppi: ty for your input
[20:11] <jcastro> <3
[20:41] <mup> Bug #1553347 opened: juju bootstrap currently taking longer than 30mins <maas> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553347>
[20:44] <alexisb> jcastro, what are you loving?  I missed it?
[20:44] <rick_h__> alexisb: just some love passing between teams
[20:44] <mup> Bug #1553347 changed: juju bootstrap currently taking longer than 30mins <maas> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553347>
[20:45] <rick_h__> katco: around when you get time. Can you also link me to the kanban board you use please so I can prep?
[20:52] <natefinch>  rick_h__ https://canonical.leankit.com/Boards/View/114568542#workflow-view
[20:52] <rick_h__> ty natefinch
[20:53] <mup> Bug #1553347 opened: juju bootstrap currently taking longer than 30mins <maas> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553347>
[21:16] <katco> rick_h__: hey sorry, was talking things through with the team. available now if you are
[21:17] <rick_h__> katco: np, otp atm but will ping when off
[21:17] <katco> rick_h__: ok sounds good. give me a chance to make more tea :)
[21:45] <rick_h__> katco: free now
[21:46] <rick_h__> how bout your tea?
[21:46] <katco> rick_h__: going to get it now :)
[21:46] <katco> rick_h__: meet in moonstone?
[21:46] <rick_h__> katco: link me please?
[21:46] <rick_h__> google chrome won't autocomplete on moonstone for me yet, must not have used it enough times :)
[21:46] <katco> rick_h__: haha https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=1


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[18:48] <smoser> harlowja, i'm gonna pull the templates change now
[18:48] <smoser> thanks
[18:48] <harlowja> smoser np boss
[18:48] <harlowja> sounds good
[18:48] <smoser> regarding the default emplater...
[18:48] <smoser> thats interesting thoguht.
[18:49] <smoser> oh. i guess one other thing for the fallback template
[18:49] <smoser> would be to rip out '##" lines
[18:49] <smoser> err. '##' lines
[18:49] <smoser> i think jinja2 makes sense. since resolv.conf does have compex logic in it
[18:50] <smoser> harlowja, one other thing is to replace the build dependency on cheetah
[18:52] <harlowja> hmmmm, ya, replace ye-olde build dependency
[18:53] <harlowja> smoser ya, like most of the template files should be fine with just the crappy templater
[18:53] <harlowja> but can be changed later i guess, if we want
[18:58] <smoser> harlowja, i'd like to have just one renderer used in the shipped templates
[18:58] <smoser> ie, dont want to mix and match there. that just seems unnecessarily complex
[18:58] <smoser> and since the built in wont work for resolv.conf...
[18:59] <harlowja> kk, jinja2 it is then
[21:22] <mwhudson> harmw: hello!
[21:22] <mwhudson> i asked smoser about cirros on arm64 and he implicated you :)
[21:22] <smoser> mwhudson, i have to run, but feel free to update me.
[21:23] <smoser> amd harmw's work may not have been 64 bit. but https://code.launchpad.net/~harmw/cirros/cirros-buildroot-2014.02 might be relevant.
[21:24] <mwhudson> yeah, i think an update to newer versions of things is basically what i want
[21:25] <mwhudson> and while an official release would be nice, anything that behaves a bit more like a regular cloud image than the weird franken-thing i'm currently using would be nice...


[13:10] <hyperair> vish: for banshee's monochrome icon, what did you do? replace media-player-banshee?
[13:11] <hyperair> vish: afaik banshee still hasn't separated the panel icon from the normal icon
[13:11] <vish> hyperair: yeah , the banshee part is still open ;)  the icon name is banshee-panel
[13:11] <hyperair> vish: ah okay.
[13:12] <vish> hyperair: i'll mention that in the bug too
[13:12] <hyperair> vish: thanks.
[13:13] <hyperair> hmm qense isn't around..
[15:22] <tgpraveen12> ?
[15:47] <magcius> What does the DX team think of gnome-shell?
[15:52] <hyperair> tgpraveen12: ?
[15:53] <hyperair> magcius: interesting question. i'd like to know the answer too =p