[01:22] <dgroos> ping: sbalneav
[02:18] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:18] <stgraber> hey sbalneav
[02:20] <sbalneav> dgroos_: Boo
[02:20] <dgroos_> hoo?
[02:20] <dgroos_> ;)
[02:21] <dgroos_> I'm currently trying to get the data collection interface software working on thin clients.  et tu?
[02:22] <sbalneav> Writing up the wiki page on the user management tool.
[02:22] <dgroos_> Cool.  as mentioned I'll want to add my 2 centavos
[02:24] <dgroos_> I need libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a.  What should I download from this page: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a ?  Any thing?
[02:34] <sbalneav> Found it quite surprising that the one educator indicated that teachers WOULDN'T want to be in the same channel as us "talking geek"
[02:35] <sbalneav> I guess community building doesn't include the people who are putting together your distro :)
[03:08] <dgroos> sbalneav: ???
[03:29] <sbalneav> dgroos: I was just saying that I was surprised that the one teacher responded to your mail saying that teachers WOULDN'T want to be in this channel where we'd be "speaking geek" :)
[03:40] <dgroos> sbalneav: I'm working through them, trying to summarize and respond--there's ton's of good/wise info there.
[03:42] <dgroos> Ahhh... fear of geek-speak!  Perhaps. and, perhaps it's not all bad for non-techies to be exposed to the labor, the inspiration and knowledge involved in the creation of this 'free' software.
[04:07] <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/NewUserAdminTool
[04:15] <dgroos> gtg, thanks I'll finish up my response tomorrow and check out the page! g'night all!
[13:48] <dgroos> Good Morning All
[13:49] <dgroos> I'm trying to install a program into the chroot and it gives the message:
[13:50] <dgroos> "/var/lib/dpkg/info/vstloggerpro.postinst: 40: update-desktop-database: not found" and I googled the latter part of this message and came with nothing helpful...  Ideas?
[13:59] <ogra> dgroos, apt-get install desktop-file-utils in the chroot
[14:00] <dgroos> ogra: Thanks!
[14:01] <dgroos> Is it OK to control + C in the middle of rebuilding with ltsp-update-image?
[14:04] <ogra> you have to do it again and you should look for idling mounts after doing that
[14:04] <ogra> i'm not sure the script has proper trap handling builtin
[14:05] <highvoltage> when I isually press ^C there it just stops the mksquashfs part and the unmounting and the rest of the stuff still happens fine
[14:07] <ogra> ok
[14:07] <ogra> i wasnt sure we added a trap function to the script
[14:08] <highvoltage> I think it's mksquashfs that does it, because it you press ^C during it then it says you have to press it again to stop the process
[14:09] <ogra> well there are tmp mounts in the script the script itself needs to care for iirc
[14:09] <dgroos> Hmmm... I decided patience was a virtue at the moment :)
[14:10] <ogra> usually scripts should have a trap function that cleans up after it if signals are recieved
[14:10] <ogra> be it from kill or from keypresses
[14:10] <ogra> i'm doing such trap functions in all my scripts nowadays but didnt do that when i did ltsp development, so there they might still be missing
[14:11] <dgroos> OK, it finished.  I tried the apt-get install desptio-file-utils in the chroot and got the message that "can not write loge, openpty () failed (/dev/pts not mounted)".  Did I miss something?
[14:11] <highvoltage> I should adopt that habbit too
[14:11] <ogra> no, just ignore that
[14:11] <alkisg> Is there anything mounted while ltsp-update-image is running?
[14:11] <dgroos> desptio=desktop
[14:12] <ogra> alkisg, as i said, i'm not sure (its so long ago that i saw that code) but its good practice to have a trap function anyway
[14:12] <alkisg> Sure, I do that too
[14:13] <dgroos> alkisg: were you asking me?  Not sure what you mean by 'anything mounted'?
[14:13] <alkisg> dgroos: no no ignore the question :)
[14:13] <ogra> dgroos, he meant me :)
[14:13] <dgroos> :) great!
[14:14] <alkisg> Wow, squid-deb-proxy... nice catch, ogra ;)
[14:14] <alkisg> I have that as part of my sch-scripts, but it'd be nice to have it by default in ubuntu
[14:14] <dgroos> Install worked!  thanks :)
[14:16] <dgroos> I was wondering, shouldn't the 'desktop-file-utils' be automatically installed into the chroot?  It sounds like it's a rather basic package.  At least, shouldn't there be a message when dpkg -i fails to do so?
[14:17] <ogra> dgroos, btw, "apt-cache search update-desktop-database" would have told you the package name ;)
[14:18] <dgroos> ahhhh, I'll have to remember that for next time! ;)
[14:18] <alkisg> dgroos: you may want to file a bug on the package that you tried to install, to put desktop-file-utils in its dependencies
[14:20] <dgroos> Excellent, I'll do that!
[14:25] <dgroos> As I'm writing to them, I'd like to address their concern with adding thin client support, that: "If you are using USB, make sure the environment is set up so the clients address local USB ports rather than those on the server."
[14:25] <dgroos> If we use a program as a localapp, will it address the USB port locally?
[14:28] <ogra> it cant reach any othert usb port :)
[14:28] <ogra> *other
[14:29] <dgroos> ogra: ? makes sense, then why do they say this: http://www.vernier.com/til/1071.html ?
[14:31] <ogra> no idea, i dont know the software
[14:31] <ogra> but if you install in the chroot all the app can see is local usb anyway
[14:32] <dgroos> OK  I'll get back to them with the inadequacy of that page and ask for clarification.  I'm about to try the software as localapp.  I'll let y'all know how it works :)
[14:33] <ogra> they probably dont know about localapps :)
[14:51] <dgroos> speaking about localapps... I can't get this new program to launch in localapps.  I've got firefox, openoffice and others working in localapps.  I've followed the directions on the LTSPLocalAppsJaunty page in the wiki and my own notes on my blog.  I'm missing something.  Can anyone help?
[14:54] <alkisg> dgroos: does this program have a name?
[14:54] <alkisg> :)
[14:54] <dgroos> indeed!  loggerpro :) I added both 'loggerpro' and the location in the chroot: /usr/local/bin/loggerpro...
[14:55] <dgroos> (added that to the .lts)
[14:56] <dgroos> when I try 'ltsp-localapps loggerpro' or 'ltsp-localapps /usr/local/bin/loggerpro' I get nary a visible burp from the system.
[14:59] <alkisg> dgroos: try ltsp-localapps xterm, and then run loggerpro from that xterm
[14:59] <alkisg> dgroos: is there a linux version of that program? I don't see it here: http://www.vernier.com/downloads/lp3demo.html
[15:00] <dgroos> do I just type in, 'loggerpro' in that terminal window?
[15:00] <alkisg> In that black xterm, yes. Or whatever the command is.
[15:01] <alkisg> This way you'll see the errors, if any.
[15:01] <alkisg> But is that a WINE program?!
[15:01] <dgroos> here's the address: http://www2.vernier.com/linux/lpl.beta.tar
[15:01] <alkisg> Ah, linux public beta... nice http://www.vernier.com/soft/lpl/
[15:03] <dgroos> to get to the link I sent, you register and they send it to you.
[15:03] <dgroos> right, not wine.
[15:03] <dgroos> I get the error:
[15:03] <dgroos> "Working dir /home/dgroos
[15:03] <dgroos> Top Level Folder: '/usr/local/share/LoggerPro/'
[15:04] <dgroos> Our runtime support folder is: /tmp/VST_Support_SqClX2/
[15:04] <dgroos> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'
[15:05] <dgroos>    what(): basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid
[15:05] <dgroos> Aborted
[15:05] <dgroos> then went back to the prompt...  Does this mean anything to you?
[15:10] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:11] <sbalneav> highvoltage: No, the person to talk to about theat would be CAN-o-SPAM in #ltsp
[15:11] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I found one on the competition page, thanks
[15:11] <sbalneav> cool
[15:11] <alkisg> Good morning sbalneav... dgroos: does the program run normally if you install it on the server?
[15:11] <ogra> dgroos, i guess thats a binary ? seems like its compiled for a different libc version or so
[15:13] <dgroos> Good morn sbalneav.
[15:13] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Could you move that for me?
[15:14] <dgroos> alkisg: I was using it beautifully on my karmic machine at home last night, if that's what you mean?  It simply installed and worked.
[15:14] <highvoltage> sbalneav: hmm?
[15:14] <dgroos> ogra: worked on karmic--does that answer?
[15:15] <alkisg> dgroos: well see what ogra said. Or maybe it's still missing some library.   Thanks so much for your time alkisg and ogra.
[15:18] <dgroos> ... and good day to you all... students on their way in 7 minutes... :)
[15:18] <alkisg> dgroos: if you can use a modern PC as a thin client, with e.g. 2 Gb of ram on it,
[15:18] <alkisg> then you could try installing things on it live, to verify that it's a library thing
[15:18] <ogra> dgroos, i'd start with a check if libstdc++6 is installed (and install that if its not)
[15:18] <alkisg> (e.g. alt+ctrl+f2 => apt-get install ubuntu-standard)
[15:19] <ogra> libstdc++6 usually provides such basic C++ stuff
[15:25] <dgroos> will try/checkout!
[15:50] <alkisg> highvoltage: you would mind if I: (1) stored somewhere in the chroot that the user selected to build a fat client, (2) use that value to deside if LTSP_FATCLIENT should default to True or False, and (3) of course allow the user to override the "autodetected" LTSP_FATCLIENT value from lts.conf?
[15:51] <alkisg> highvoltage: the goal is to be able to use fat clients without *always* requiring an lts.conf.
[15:51] <sbalneav> On the wiki, how do you see diff's from a previous version?
[15:51] <sbalneav> I'm more used to foswiki, that provides the history
[15:51] <alkisg> Which wiki? sf or ubuntu?
[15:51] <sbalneav> ubuntu
[15:52] <alkisg> Look for "page history"
[15:52] <alkisg> There you can then compare versions
[15:52] <highvoltage> alkisg: hmm, as far as I understand it's purposely designed so that you can mix fat and thin clients and that it would use thin by default
[15:52] <sbalneav> It's not under page actions
[15:52] <alkisg> sbalneav: link to the page that you want?
[15:52] <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/NewUserAdminTool
[15:53] <alkisg> highvoltage: in that case you would *require* an lts.conf
[15:53] <highvoltage> alkisg: I guess it's probably something to discuss with sbalneav/stgraber/vagrant, I could live with it either way
[15:53] <alkisg> So why not allow for an extra case that would work without lts.conf?
[15:54] <alkisg> stgraber, sbalneav, some opinion in this? ^^^
[15:54] <ogra> alkisg, admins wouldnt like if the user could select by default, make that optional
[15:54] <alkisg> ogra, select?
[15:54] <ogra> i.e. based on an lts.conf option
[15:55] <ogra> your (3) case above
[15:55] <ogra> "and (3) of course allow the user to override the "autodetected" LTSP_FATCLIENT value from lts.conf"
[15:55] <alkisg> ogra, I meant "sysadmin", not user. My mistake.
[15:55] <ogra> ah
[15:55] <alkisg> The users can't modify lts.conf.
[15:55] <ogra> no, it sounded like you wanted to bring up some selection in front of the user :)
[15:56] <sbalneav> ogra: On the ubuntu wiki, do you know how to view page history?
[15:56] <ogra> sbalneav, info
[15:56] <highvoltage> alkisg: since it's still very new, it would be better to change it now rather than later, there's probably a good reason why there's an LTSP_FAT_CLIENT in lts.conf, let's check first
[15:57] <sbalneav> ah, thanks
[15:57] <sbalneav> that was.... non intuitive
[15:58] <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/NewUserAdminTool?action=diff&rev2=3&rev1=2
[15:58] <alkisg> highvoltage: well, to enable the sysadmin to select if he wants the fat client of the thin client behavior
[15:58] <sbalneav> heh, guy added another button, doesn't explain what he wants it to do
[15:58] <sbalneav> "migrate/backup"
[15:58] <ogra> migrate a backup :)
[15:59] <sbalneav> Backups aren't part of an adduser tool.
[15:59] <ogra> or migrate to a backup :)
[15:59] <sbalneav> backups are backups
[15:59] <ogra> backups are automatically taken if you use std distro tools, look in /var/backups :)
[15:59] <ogra> especially for passwd and the like
[16:00] <sbalneav> Let me come over to your place with a hammer and smash your hard drive.  They you can get your backups from /var/backup and restore them :)
[16:00] <alkisg> highvoltage: There are 3 cases: (1) full thin => we don't touch it, we don't care, (2) mixed thin/fat, (3) full fat.
[16:00] <alkisg> Right now, in (2) and (3) we *require* an lts.conf.
[16:00] <alkisg> With my "autodetection proposal" we will only require an lts.conf in (2)...
[16:00] <ogra> sbalneav, pfft
[16:00]  * ogra goes back to u-boot
[16:01] <alkisg> highvoltage: so I think we gain something without losing anything
[16:02] <highvoltage> alkisg: that does sound reasonable
[16:03] <alkisg> highvoltage: ok, I'll do it / commit it, and if you see that you don't like it for some reason, we can remove it afterwards. We still have time until feature freeze ;)
[16:03] <highvoltage> alkisg: ok, thanks
[16:03] <alkisg> Thank you :)
[16:34] <stgraber> alkisg: I wouldn't turn on LTSP_FATCLIENT to True by default when built with --fat-client as regular thin client is still supported even with fat client support turned in
[16:35] <stgraber> alkisg: I'd probably show a message at the end of ltsp-build-client instead telling the user to write a lts.conf
[16:35] <alkisg> stgraber: "as regular thin client is still supported" ? Sorry I don't understand the meaning of that, could you elaborate?
[16:36] <alkisg> If the user specifically requests to build a fat client chroot, what advantage do we have to not turn LTSP_FATCLIENT on by default?
[16:38] <alkisg> (btw, here's the code for what I'm proposing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/359609/ )
[16:39] <stgraber> well, my use case for fat clients is multimedia labs
[16:40] <stgraber> obviously I don't have all my thin clients in that lab so I want all of them to boot as regular thin client and only a few powerful ones to start everything locally (fat client)
[16:40] <alkisg> stgraber: and? how does that default give you any trouble?
[16:41] <alkisg> [Default]
[16:41] <alkisg> LTSP_FATCLIENT=False
[16:41] <alkisg> [PowerFullPC]
[16:41] <alkisg> LTSP_FATCLIENT=True
[16:41] <alkisg> You're in case (2), mixed mode setup. You HAVE to have an lts.conf
[16:41] <alkisg> Why should you force someone with ONLY fat clients to have an lts.conf as well?
[16:47] <stgraber> alkisg: hmm, ok, perhaps doing something like: touching some file when --fat-client is used, checking in ltsp_config for that file and if it's there, then set LTSP_FATCLIENT to True + displaying a warning in ltsp-build-client that all thin clients will actually boot as fat client
[16:48] <alkisg> stgraber: ok, I've done all that (except for the warning), see the link above
[16:48] <alkisg> I'll put a warning and commit (I'm currently testing)
[16:53] <alkisg> Is that ok?
[16:53] <alkisg>         # Notify the user about the different defaults
[16:53] <alkisg>         echo "--fat-client was specified, all clients will boot as fat clients by default."
[16:53] <alkisg>         echo "To modify this behavior, put LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf."
[17:08] <alkisg> Commited.
[17:11] <stgraber> alkisg: you'd need to use the gettext functions to have that translated though
[18:04] <Lns> sbalneav: re: ldap tools... imho there will never be a nice, easy ldap UI that is infinitely customizable...that's the same with a LOT of really good linux tools
[18:04] <Lns> Maybe the only thing we *can* do is cookie-cutter it, for our scenarios (education/school setups)...if someone needs/wants more, they need to learn the real tools
[18:15] <alkisg> Also, in big schools with lots of users, LDAP etc, they'll also have real sysadmins which should be able to learn the real tools ;)
[18:16] <Lns> hey alkisg
[18:16] <alkisg> Hey Lns, how's it going?
[18:16] <mhall119|work> alkisg: I wouldn't bank on that
[18:16] <Lns> Not too bad
[18:16] <mhall119|work> I don't think there's a "real" sysadmin in my entire school district
[18:16]  * Lns concurs with mhall119|work
[18:17] <alkisg> mhall119|work: so who's handling ldap?
[18:17] <mhall119|work> If anything, they're on AD
[18:17] <mhall119|work> but likely not even that
[18:19] <Lns> alkisg: potentially nobody.. someone might come along and say "wow ldap would be nice, then everyone could log into everything with one account!" and then everyone else says "hmm" and goes to ldap.org or whatever...then they forget about it ;)
[18:20]  * alkisg is no longer worried about ldap, now with the fat clients plugin :D
[18:22] <Lns> alkisg: ?
[18:59] <stgraber> MEETING TIME
[19:00] <Lns> what?
[19:00] <Lns> for us?
[19:01] <highvolt1ge> oh wow
[19:01] <stgraber> it's 7pm UTC, Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:01] <highvolt1ge> what happened to the last 20 minutes!?
[19:01] <stgraber> mgariepy: ^
[19:01] <mgariepy> hi everyone
[19:02] <stgraber> sbalneav: ping
[19:02] <stgraber> alkisg: ping
[19:02] <stgraber> nixternal: ping
[19:02] <alkisg> pong
[19:02] <alkisg> Oooh meeting :)
[19:29] <sbalneav> stgraber: pong
[19:59] <vmlintu> I had not noticed the edubuntu-menu-editor before. Is there some way planned to distribute the menus to large number of machines?
[20:00] <stgraber> vmlintu: there'll be profile import/export as .tar.gz
[20:00] <stgraber> vmlintu: for bigger deployment, you can package the profiles
[20:00] <vmlintu> stgraber: so it'll be matter of distributing the profile.tar.gzs?
[20:01] <stgraber> vmlintu: yep, the user can then import it and assign the menu to a system group
[20:01] <highvoltage> I stopped taking notes about 20 minuts into the meeting so I'll just scroll back and finish it up for the list :)
[20:01] <stgraber> highvoltage: hehe, thanks a lot for taking care of that.
[20:01]  * sbalneav staggers back in, props himself up at the bar.
[20:02]  * Lns puts the lamp shade back on sbalneav's head
[20:02] <sbalneav> Barkeep!  A nice Stout on tap for myself, and a round for everyone else in here!
[20:02] <Lns> woo! beer at noon for me!
[20:02] <sbalneav> It's always noon somewhere
[20:03] <Lns> (T)alk to bartender, (H)ear Seth Able, ...
[20:03] <sbalneav> Winding your way down on Baker Street
[20:03] <sbalneav> Light in your head, and dead on your feet
[20:04] <sbalneav> Well another crazy day
[20:04] <sbalneav> You drink the night away
[20:04] <sbalneav> And forget about everything
[20:04] <sbalneav> ....anyone?
[20:04]  * sbalneav sings alone
[20:05]  * Lns picks up a bass
[20:08] <Lns> moodlecommons.org looks promising, but not a whole heck of a lot of content yet
[20:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, I guess all of us are getting a bit sleepy:
[20:17] <highvoltage> 21:22 < stgraber> As most of you probably have read, I became an Ubuntu Membership Board member yesterday and
[20:17] <highvoltage> none of us even picked up that that should've been Ubuntu Developers Board :)
[20:18] <highvoltage> or developers membership board, even
[20:21] <vmlintu> stgraber: We've experimenting with some scripts that create menus on the fly when user logs in. The menu rules are distributed from a web server so that the same rules can be used in multiple systems
[20:22] <vmlintu> stgraber: I think there was also a test to distribute sabayon profiles with the same thing
[20:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: hehe ;) though I then used DMB in the next sentence :)
[20:32] <stgraber> vmlintu: yeah, either you use some custom scripts of yours or use an actual configuration manager like puppet to do it
[20:34] <vmlintu> stgraber: yeah, I've been using puppet for that too..
[20:37] <vmlintu> What's the status of the menu-editor? Is it ready for use yet if I give it a try?
[20:38] <stgraber> mgariepy: ^ Is that only the profile manager that's not working yet ?
[20:40] <mgariepy> huh i need to do some cleanup. everything seam to work. (i'm doing the clean up right now.)
[20:40] <mgariepy> vmlintu, i can ping you when my code is cleaner,
[20:41] <mgariepy> in maybe 30 minutes or so if i don't have an emergency
[20:42] <vmlintu> mgariepy: thanks, I'll have to see if how our experiments might work with it
[20:45] <sbalneav> Goldarnit, how the heck do you print decimals in python without the 'Decimal(13,2)'
[20:45] <mgariepy> vmlintu, you associate menus from groups or something like that or on a user basis ?
[20:45] <sbalneav> I just want 13.2
[20:45] <mgariepy> out of curiosity ;)
[20:47] <vmlintu> mgariepy: The currently running system has menu profiles and those are assigned to groups.. The experiments are based on tags - tags can be associated with users, groups, terminals etc, but this is all experimental and proof-of-concept
[20:47] <stgraber> sbalneav: can you give more details ?
[20:49] <mgariepy> vmlintu, ok, have you ever used desktop-profiles before ?
[20:49] <sbalneav> I've got a number that's a Decimal type in python
[20:49] <sbalneav> as in Decimal(13.2)
[20:49] <vmlintu> mgariepy: what you mean with desktop-profiles?
[20:50] <sbalneav> When I print it as a %s, I get 'Decimal(13.2)'
[20:50] <sbalneav> as opposed to just 13.2
[20:51] <mgariepy> desktop-profiles is a set of script to manage different profiles ( menu, gconf, kde, etc.. ) for users on a system.
[20:51] <mgariepy> it's a package in the repos.
[20:52] <stgraber> >>> print("test %s" % Decimal(10))
[20:52] <stgraber> test 10
[20:52] <stgraber> sbalneav: ^
[20:53] <stgraber> >>> print("test %s" % Decimal('10.3'))
[20:53] <stgraber> test 10.3
[20:53] <vmlintu> mgariepy: I think we tried it ages ago, but back then it didn't work for us. I haven't checked it recently.
[20:53] <stgraber> >>> print("test %s" % 10.3)
[20:53] <stgraber> test 10.3
[20:54] <sbalneav> Hmm, why isn't that working for me :(
[20:54] <mgariepy> vmlintu, ok, i use this to manage menu for schools district and it's rock-solid :)
[20:54] <sbalneav> nm, my value was in a list. duh
[20:55] <sbalneav> needed a [0] :)
[20:56] <vmlintu> mgariepy: I'll have to check how it'd work now. Our biggest problem is that the admins at school have never seen command line and they should be able to modify their menus and desktops..
[20:56] <mgariepy> ok, i see.
[20:58] <vmlintu> mgariepy: that's why we created some web based tools to do that and now I'm just trying to get rid of those.. It actually turned out that the most important feature of the tool was the ability to put web links in the menu easily..
[21:04] <alkisg> highvoltage: "• edubuntu-desktop doesn't currently work in fat client chroot (hmm, do we have a bug for this?)" ==> it does work fine, just with the -l in umount
[21:04] <alkisg> So we're OK as long as we keep the -l there...
[21:08] <vmlintu> mgariepy: are you using gnome or kde desktops?
[21:08] <mgariepy> vmlintu, gnome
[21:08] <mgariepy> kde4 doen't work so great with ltsp :)
[21:09] <mgariepy> for now, with hardy we were using kde3.
[21:10] <mgariepy> but the menus are the same. it's in the freedesktop sandard
[21:10] <vmlintu> yup, kde4 got a bit out of hand..
[21:10] <alkisg> What exactly are the problems with KDE and LTSP?
[21:10] <vmlintu> I just updated the hardy boxes to firefox 3.5.8 and openoffice 3.1.1
[21:13] <highvoltage> alkisg: aah, the -l isn't necessary if we add "ls -l /proc/[0-9]*/exe 2>/dev/zero | grep $ROOT | awk '{print $8}' | cut -d / -f3 | xargs kill -9 2>/dev/zero || true" before the unmount command
[21:13] <alkisg> highvoltage: I've been trying that all day yesterday. No sugar.
[21:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: I tested it earler (not with edubuntu but with ubuntu-desktop), and it could unmount just fine without -l
[21:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: I'll check again with edubuntu-desktop then to see what doesn't unmount...
[21:14] <highvoltage> I mean, what locks it
[21:14] <alkisg> highvoltage: yes, I know, I've done tens of tests in the last days
[21:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: I believe you!
[21:14] <alkisg> highvoltage: see the logs in #ltsp, you'll see what we tried yesterday with stgraber + ogra
[21:15] <alkisg> Bottom line, I killed almost everything in sight (including X and many services) but still $CHROOT/proc refused to umount
[21:15] <highvoltage> alkisg: are you sure you used $CHROOT/proc?
[21:15] <highvoltage> alkisg: because that will try to unmount the server's /proc
[21:15] <alkisg> Yes, I have detailed logs of everything I tried
[21:16] <alkisg> highvoltage: no that was just a shortcut here to avoid writing /opt/ltsp/i386/proc :)
[21:16] <highvoltage> ok
[21:16] <mgariepy> alkisg, the kde4 interface was sluggy because of visual effect, usb key aren't showing on the desktop
[21:17] <alkisg> mgariepy: ok, I imagine it won't be very hard to disable the effects. I knew about the usb devices, I don't know any workarounds. Is there anything more?
[21:17] <alkisg> (thanks, btw)
[21:17] <mgariepy> alkisg, stuff like this. it's been a while since i last tested it. i think that the last release i tested was intrepid.
[21:18] <highvoltage> alkisg: yep, I trust and believe you, I still just want to take a look at it
[21:18] <alkisg> highvoltage: sure, do that, I hope you'll get somewhere.
[21:18] <alkisg> I think stgraber tried on an lxc, I didn't hear of any better news....
[21:20] <alkisg> highvoltage: I have a feeling it might be that the chroot is trying to start hal and it's reusing the server's existing daemon or something like that. So what I want to try next is to modify $PATH and to provide fake upstart wrappers, so that upstart daemons do not start in the chroot.
[21:21] <stgraber> alkisg: it worked in LXC, so it's something in Edubuntu desktop that must be causing the issue for you
[21:21] <alkisg> stgraber: was that with an edubuntu chroot?
[21:21] <stgraber> yep
[21:22] <alkisg> OK, so it takes both of them (server+chroot) to cause the problem... :-/
[21:22] <highvoltage> alkisg: ah, I'm doing it on a machine that's only a server
[21:23] <highvoltage> alkisg: I'll let you know what happens...
[21:23] <alkisg> highvoltage: does it have hal installed? I wonder what would happen if you started it...
[21:25] <highvoltage> alkisg: I'll try without it first, and then with it
[21:28] <dgroos> alkisg: the kids have gone... :)
[21:29] <dgroos> I just got access to 'the room' where the server is, tried the program, loggerpro, locally on the server, and it worked great.
[21:29] <alkisg> Well... when my wife tells me that, I understand its meaning, now I don't know what to think :P
[21:30] <dgroos> hmmm... probably not the same thing!!!
[21:30] <dgroos> :)
[21:30] <mhall119|work> ew
[21:32] <dgroos> OK, so, I've been trying to make it work as a localapp, but I'm not famous for being able to take some program, put it on the chroot, update the chroot, add the address of the program to the .lts file, and then launch it with a, 'ltsp-localapps program-address'.
[21:34] <dgroos> I can't even get a hiccup from the computer when I type 'ltsp-localapps loggerpro'.  However, 'ltsp-localapps firefox-3.5' will launch ff 3.5 quite nicely as a local app.  Am I missing something?
[21:34] <Lns> vmlintu: I dunno if this would help but a while back I wrote a simple script to create a URL based .desktop file (for distribution on user desktops)...I can pastebin it if you want
[21:34] <Lns> It uses Zenity so it has pretty dialogue boxes and all
[21:37] <vmlintu> Lns: it asks for url and creates the desktop file?
[21:37] <Lns> yeah
[21:37] <alkisg> dgroos: start with ltsp-localapps xterm, and then run that logerapp from inside the xterm
[21:40] <mgariepy> vmlintu, i just pushed the code on LP
[21:41] <vmlintu> Lns: I've got scripts doing the same, but it'd be interesting to see as there's no gui in them
[21:41] <dgroos> (is there a way to get the error message to print to something I can just copy and paste?  This doesn't work inside the xterm)
[21:42] <Lns> vmlintu: it doesn't put them in the xdg menu hierarchy or anything but it could be easily done by extending the script, i'm sure..  http://pastebin.com/m2b07c491
[21:43] <dgroos> OK, it says:
[21:43] <dgroos> I'll put in pastebin...
[21:46]  * alkisg demonstrates the beauty of the cat command to Lns: http://pastebin.com/m36498480
[21:47] <Lns> alkisg: :) ty!
[21:47] <alkisg> ;)
[21:47] <Lns> so it cats until it sees the string EOF?
[21:47] <Lns> weird, i've only seen < used in reference to a file
[21:48] <highvoltage> it's quite common in scripts
[21:48] <vmlintu> Lns: thanks
[21:49] <highvoltage> Lns: are you familiar with the concept of Useless Use of Cat? (UUoC)
[21:49] <alkisg> Lns: man sh => press slash to start searching => write: here-document and press enter
[21:49] <Lns> brb
[21:54] <vmlintu> mgariepy: Just pulled it and menueditor seems run and do something.. Cancelling the save seems not to work (don't know if it should..)
[21:57] <mgariepy> oops ;)was an indentation problem ;)
[21:57] <mgariepy> rev41 correct it hehe
[21:58] <vmlintu> python is not meant for me..
[21:58] <vmlintu> I never get the indentations right
[21:59] <highvoltage> heh, that for me is the best part of python
[21:59] <Lns> highvoltage: oh ha ha =p
[22:00] <Lns> alkisg: thx for that =)
[22:00]  * Lns is still learning
[22:01] <alkisg> np... one tip per day, in two months you'll be an upstream hacker :)
[22:01] <vmlintu> mgariepy: is some kind of setup needed for profilemanager?
[22:02] <mgariepy> yeah some directory need to be created. : /etc/edubuntu-menueditor, /usr/share/edubuntu-menueditor/menus
[22:03] <mgariepy> and desktop-profile should be installed too
[22:03] <Lns> alkisg: ;) Also I'm reading this awesome guide: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[22:03] <vmlintu> I better leave that for tomorrow.. or later today, however you put it..
[22:04] <mgariepy> maybe tomorrow i'll have the time to package it.
[22:04] <alkisg> Lns: try not to become a bashist :D (it has a lot of stuff not supported by other shells) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[22:05] <mgariepy> by the weekend it's gonna be in a ppa or something. i'll post an edubuntu-user post when it's done.
[22:06] <dgroos> alkisg: finally! many interruptions... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/359775
[22:06] <alkisg> dgroos: yeah, that's the same error you posted some hours ago...
[22:06] <alkisg> Did you try installing libs etc?
[22:07] <vmlintu> yuhuu, finally I got oauth consumer libraries to obey my code..
[22:07] <Lns> alkisg: =) I take it all with the intention of being portable, of course
[22:07] <alkisg> Lns, yup
[22:09] <dgroos> Yes.  Why would it give the same error, trying to run it on the thin client, not as localapp, and on thin client as a localapp.  If the issue was thin client (not localapp), shouldn't running as local app have done something different?
[22:14] <mgariepy> cya another day everybody.
[22:31] <highvoltage> dgroos: worked fine with edubuntu-desktop on a plain server, I'll install hal and let it run again
[22:32] <highvoltage> oh,
[22:32] <highvoltage> hal is already the newest version.
[22:32] <highvoltage> dgroos: I have hal installed on the server
[22:36] <alkisg> highvoltage: I guess you mean me... :)
[22:37] <alkisg> highvoltage: my test environment where I have the problem is edubuntu lucid server + edubuntu lucid chroot.....
[22:39] <alkisg> Goodnight all
[22:47] <highvoltage> dgroos: yes sorry I did mean alkisg :)
[22:49] <dgroos> and to all, a good eve (morning, night, afternoon, etc)


[19:15] <slashd> o/
[19:21] <slashd> Seems like no other DMB member are available at the moment, there is a sprint going on this week, that might explain why. As I don't see applications in the agenda for today and we don't have quorum ... let's reconvene in 2 weeks.
[20:20] <cyphermox> slashd: I am there..
[20:20] <cyphermox> anyway, via email
[20:24] <sarnold> hey cyphermox :) are you at the sprint!?
[20:32] <cyphermox> sarnold: no
[20:33] <sarnold> cyphermox: dang. you gave me a moment of hope :) hehe


[00:27] <artix_live_1> hello?
[00:28] <tje> artix_live_1: hello.  Do you have a specific question?
[00:28] <artix_live_1> Ah, just learning to use irc for first time
[00:28] <tje> artix_live_1: welcome.
[01:51] <user|65> Hi
 KUBUNTU 22 has some issues with random logouts while in use. The session seems to logout in this case.
 https://bpa.st/GVIA (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @LOBOLATELEPHONY: Could you use a service like bpa.st to hold that error message and then send the link? IRC flood protection didn't let your message get all the way through.)
[06:59] <arraybolt3> @LOBOLATELEPHONY: Hmm. Well... can you do "sudo apt install aptitude" and then "sudo aptitude install winehq-staging"? Aptitude gives far more helpful messages, and might even give a solution to the problem.
[07:30] <Fravialis> Hi all. Has anybody experience problems where update notifier from discover keeps trying to say libcgi-fast-perl libcgi-pm-perl libevent-pthreads-2.1-7 libfcgi-bin libfcgi-perl libfcgi0ldbl libhtml-template-perl ought to be installed while apt keeps saying they ought to be autoremoved?
[07:30] <Fravialis> experienced*
[07:32] <Fravialis> I've noticed that the update module from discover uses packagekit, and I suspect some kind of bug in packagekit's apt library, but I can't be sure.
[07:32] <Fravialis> Perhaps it is my own package database which is corrupted, in which case: perhaps somebody has advice on how to uncorrupt it
[07:32] <arraybolt3> I have not noticed this, but that sounds odd. Is it possible for you to share screenshots?
[07:32] <Fravialis> Sure
[07:32] <arraybolt3> You can use Imgur for screenshots and bpa.st for text.
[07:34]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk real quick, brb
[07:35] <Fravialis> https://bpa.st/R7OQ
[07:37] <Fravialis> https://i.imgur.com/rdokbo5.png
[07:37] <Fravialis> arraybolt3: ^^
[07:38] <Fravialis> Essentially I could go back and forth between the two endlessly, as it stands
[07:48] <Fravialis> Hmmm, problem might have been fixed by fixing conflicting mysql repositories
[08:41] <i20> hi folks
[08:42] <i20> the sock stroking is real safe on ubuntu
[09:34] <Fravialis> arraybolt3[m]: in case you were wondering, the problem seemed to have been caused by some leftover mysql sources from impish whilst I am running jammy. Commented those out, updated and dist-upgraded, forced through some ISC dhcp client/server packages and all seems well now
[10:16] <iomari891> Greetings, my lock screen password no longer works. The password is not wrong. I can use it in the console usingloginctl unlock-sessions". But the gui lock screen keeps failing.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:48] <Fravialis> BluesKaj: hi
[12:49] <BluesKaj> hi Fravialis
 How to fix this : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8029f08c/file_59152.jpg
[14:44] <enigma9o7[m]> Where is that message coming from, BIOS?  And what did you do to cause it?
[14:45] <genii> Usually legacy boot vs EFI/UEFI issue
[15:08] <mparillo> Could it be a brand-new machine? I understand new SCPC machines turn off third-party certs by default. First report I saw was: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/59931.html Look for a response from a Lenovo / Linux guy, and a reply with a link to a Dell guy: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/59931.html?thread=2057243#cmt2057243
[15:41] <n> Does kdeconnect allow for mouse sharing between computers?
[15:42] <genii> No
[15:49] <genii> Well, conceivably you could have some Android device which runs the client, then pair it with a specific computer to use the Android device's touchscreen/pad/mouse, then pair it with a different computer at a different time to do the same thing, but that's somewhat cumbersome
[16:29] <n> Interesting.  Cheers.  I was about to purchase Synergy to sync my mouse between kde installs, but I'd prefer to spend my resources towards this endeavor.   I assume since mouse control exists between the android and Desktop, it would be closer to possible then not.  Any way to sponsor a feature?
[16:50] <user|25> What are the drive requirements for 22.04? My upgrade worked fine for a few days, then seized up when my 10GB system drive went completely full.
[16:50] <user|25> 120 GB drive
[17:17] <user|19> Hello
[17:27] <alkisg> user|25: 20 GB should suffice
[17:28] <alkisg> But of course if your data is 110 GB, then 120 total isn't enough
[17:30] <genii> It's possible your drive was already getting full with undeleted obsolete kernels or logs, might want to check that. Or just the usual things which eventually fill drives like photos, videos, music, documents, etc
[19:19] <user|25> Thanks!!


[04:28] <mup> Bug #1484268 changed: MAAS not auto-detecting/auto-entering credentials for HP Proliant ML310E G8 V2 server <blocks-hwcert-server> <MAAS:Incomplete by newell-jensen> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484268>
[04:31] <mup> Bug #1484268 opened: MAAS not auto-detecting/auto-entering credentials for HP Proliant ML310E G8 V2 server <blocks-hwcert-server> <MAAS:Incomplete by newell-jensen> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484268>
[04:34] <mup> Bug #1484268 changed: MAAS not auto-detecting/auto-entering credentials for HP Proliant ML310E G8 V2 server <blocks-hwcert-server> <MAAS:Incomplete by newell-jensen> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484268>
[05:10] <mup> Bug #1525070 opened: MAAS upgrade from Trusty -> Xenial running PostgreSQL 9.3 fails <python3> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525070>
[05:13] <mup> Bug #1525070 changed: MAAS upgrade from Trusty -> Xenial running PostgreSQL 9.3 fails <python3> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525070>
[05:19] <mup> Bug #1525070 opened: MAAS upgrade from Trusty -> Xenial running PostgreSQL 9.3 fails <python3> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525070>
[05:25] <mup> Bug #1525070 changed: MAAS upgrade from Trusty -> Xenial running PostgreSQL 9.3 fails <python3> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525070>
[05:28] <mup> Bug #1525070 opened: MAAS upgrade from Trusty -> Xenial running PostgreSQL 9.3 fails <python3> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525070>
[14:30] <mup> Bug #1525260 opened: exceptions.ValueError: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz failed checksum. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525260>
[14:33] <mup> Bug #1525260 changed: exceptions.ValueError: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz failed checksum. <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525260>
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1525260 opened: exceptions.ValueError: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz failed checksum. <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525260>
[14:42] <mup> Bug #1525260 changed: exceptions.ValueError: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz failed checksum. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525260>
[14:48] <mup> Bug #1525260 opened: exceptions.ValueError: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz failed checksum. <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525260>
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1525264 opened: [xenial,1.10] Commissioning fails silently <python3> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525264>
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1525268 opened: [xenial,1.10] Commissioning fails when selecting HE kernel <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525268>
[19:14] <Razva> hey folks! I would like to test the Unbuntu Cloud (MAAS, Juju, Landscape etc) on a couple of lased bare-metal servers. note that these servers don't offer a vlan, so all I have is external IPv4 IPs. can I work this out, or do I need to have everything in the same place? I'm reading about MAAS right now, and from my understanding it needs to be all in the same network, as MAAS is basically setting
[19:14] <Razva> up LAN IPs via DHCP?
[21:48] <mup> Bug #1525411 opened: [xenial, 1.10] maas profile version read does not work <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525411>


[00:01] <Guest6749> Anybody: debug XML?
[02:32] <thewrath> hey all
[02:33] <thewrath>  /join #pctacm
[04:46] <philipballew> is there a way to stop the ability to loggin to a root shell when i reboot. it seems like a security hole
[04:49] <bioterror> you mean single user
[04:49] <bioterror> that RECOVERY
[04:49] <bioterror> remove it from grub
[04:49] <bioterror> but how does that differ from insert usb or cd with ubuntu or any linux
[04:49] <bioterror> and mounting your drives :D
[04:50] <philipballew> yeah. recovery from grub. it seemes to me that if someone can turn on my desktop and with no passwords be at a root prompt.
[04:50] <M0hi> philipballew: you can edit the GRUB
[04:50] <philipballew> im not sure hows its different
[04:50] <M0hi>  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[04:51] <bioterror> if someone gets inside your house, then he can use any media
[04:51] <M0hi> philipballew: the only secured way to protect your machine is to set a BIOS passowrd
[04:51] <bioterror> it really just doesnt matter at that point
[04:51] <M0hi> thought it can be broke by CMOS removal for some 5 minutes
[04:51] <philipballew> i should do that. but someone can still open a root shell?
[04:52] <M0hi> philipballew: BIOS password wont even let you load the hardware
[04:52] <M0hi> thats the only option or edit the options in /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually
[04:52] <philipballew> how so M0hi
[04:52] <philipballew> i can just have grub not show
[04:54] <M0hi> you can manually remove the entry of the recovery mode in grub
[04:54] <M0hi> philipballew: ^
[04:54] <philipballew> M0hi, makes sense
[04:54] <M0hi> but if you want a secured machine, go for BIOS password
[04:55] <bioterror> if you want secure computer, remove keyboard :D
[04:55] <bioterror> take it with you when you leave your home
[04:55] <M0hi> LOL
[04:55] <bioterror> have you seen anyone carrying keyboard with him
[04:55] <bioterror> I have not!
[04:56] <M0hi> bioterror: enough plays :P
[04:56] <M0hi> philipballew: go for a BIOS password and that will be my suggestion
[04:57] <philipballew> M0hi, alright. seemes easy
[04:58] <M0hi> =]
[08:48] <tester> anyone up?
[09:27] <coalwater> hi tester
[09:33] <tester> hi coalwater  you know any thing about rematersys ?
[09:34] <coalwater> not really, what's that
[09:35] <tester> remastersys make a iso of your system
[09:35] <tester> and makes it into a live cd/dvd
[09:36] <tester> Remastersys is a tool that can be used to do 2 things with an existing Debian,  Ubuntu or derivative installation.
[09:36] <tester> It can make a full system backup including personal data to a live cd or dvd that you can use anywhere and install.1 It can make a distributable copy you can share with friends. 2 This will not have any of your personal user data in it.
[14:49] <coalwater> how can i check what process has the dpkg lock ?
[14:50] <holstein> good question
[14:50] <bioterror> who locks the dpkg!
[14:50] <bioterror> probably update notifier or something else
[14:50] <Abhijit> coalwater, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1414092
[14:51] <coalwater> does update notified gain lock by it self? it would be strange if it does
[14:54] <coalwater> Abhijit, it's stuck lol, does it take a bit to generate the list ?
[14:54] <Abhijit> no idea
[14:54] <Abhijit> i just found it marked SOLVED
[14:54] <coalwater> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/coalwater/.gvfs      Output information may be incomplete
[14:54] <coalwater> is this fine ?
[14:54] <bioterror> sure
[14:54] <bioterror> :D
[14:54] <coalwater> lol
[14:55] <coalwater> yea it finished
[14:55] <coalwater> update-manager
[14:55] <bioterror> is your dpkg unlocked now?
[14:55] <coalwater> should i just killall ? or is there another way
[14:55] <bioterror> hmmm
[14:55] <coalwater> ps: im on ssh, no gui
[14:56] <holstein> sudo reboot ;)
[14:56] <coalwater> lol
[14:57] <coalwater> ok, its unlocked now, apt-get works
[14:58] <bioterror> yeah, those automated updates sometimes locks it
[14:58] <coalwater> strange
[14:58] <bioterror> no it is not
[14:58] <coalwater> shouldn't it lock only when i give it password to upgrade
[14:58] <bioterror> they use apt-get to check if there's anything to update
[14:59] <holstein> you can set up auto updating
[14:59] <coalwater> i just mean it should release the lock after the list update and then re lock when actually asked to upgrade
[15:00] <holstein> is it over in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades still?
[15:01] <coalwater> i don't really know what that is :D
[15:01] <holstein> coalwater: in ubuntuserver, theres a promt at install for auto upgrading
[15:02] <coalwater> hm, it's not really a server, it's my home pc with dyndns and an ssh server
[15:02] <holstein> i set one install up like that, and ran into something like what you had going on, and now i dont
[15:40] <truflip> hii so i tried 'sudo apt-get install ndisgtk' per ndiswrapper instruction.
[15:40] <truflip> but i'm getting an error about firmware-b43-installer any solution here?
[15:40] <holstein> truflip: you wont need both
[15:41] <truflip> uhh why.?
[15:41] <truflip> hey its u again. haha
[15:41] <holstein> with ndis, you literally use the windows driver
[15:41] <holstein> those other pacakges are for linux
[15:42] <holstein> if you have ndisgtk installed, you'll see 'windows wireless drivers' over in the system menu
[15:42] <holstein> you go and get the windows driver for your device from the install CD or web, and point ndis to it using the GUI
[15:42] <truflip> yea umm i'm using it right now so i odnt really see it
[15:42] <truflip> i'm using LAN
[15:43] <holstein> right.. you need to go and get the windows driver from wherever you choose
[15:45] <truflip> i cant dig you
[15:45] <holstein> truflip: whats up?
[15:45] <holstein> the driver you need is not associated in any way with ubuntu
[15:45] <truflip> i dont get what you're trying to say.
[15:46] <holstein> SO, you have to go and get it... the windows driver
[15:46] <truflip> so ok, i download it here right? but how do i install it if the installer is an .exe?
[15:46] <holstein> truflip: usually, the .exe will extract the driver
[15:47] <truflip> ok let me try that
[15:58] <truflip> oh good it saves as and executable
[15:59] <truflip> now when i double click it, it opens with archive manager
[16:02] <truflip> anyone breathing out there?
[16:23] <truflip> firmware-b43-installer ERRORR
[16:37] <truflip> hellooooo
[16:51] <truflip> heloo
[17:01] <truflip> helooanyone out there?
[17:01] <holstein> truflip: hey
[17:01]  * holstein went out for breakfast
[17:01] <holstein> whats up?
[17:02] <holstein> truflip: you might be able to uzip the .exe
[17:02] <holstein> you are looking for the driver for your device
[17:02] <holstein> it wont say 'driver'... it'll be something like ramdom_or_not_so_random_text.inf
[17:04] <truflip> ah ur back
[17:04] <truflip> np worried u got sick of me let me find it.
[17:04] <holstein> nah... just wanted eggs :)
[17:04] <yuler> I've both Compiz and Metacity installed (10.10 + updates, Nvidia 6200), noticed MC is more responsive.  Anything I can do to tweak Compiz?  If I ditch Compiz for Metacity, I have to figure out why some window overlays are not drawing completely.
[17:04] <holstein> open the .exe in the archive manager and see if you see the driver
[17:05] <holstein> i usually just unzip or extract, and ndisgtk will look in the directory and use what it can use
[17:05] <holstein> yuler: i would be looking at the graphics driver
[17:06] <holstein> if you are using the open one, try the proprietary, and viceversa
[17:08] <yuler> Using proprietary driver, don't know how to change to open driver
[17:08] <holstein> yuler: usually, thats the best case scenario... using the proprietary one
[17:08] <truflip> ok i extracted it.  now what do i  do exactly? i'm sorry
[17:08] <holstein> truflip: do you see a file.inf ?
[17:09] <holstein> truflip: actually, NM that, just open ndisgtk
[17:09] <holstein> you can find it in the system menu named 'windows wireless drivers'
[17:09] <holstein> OR, hit ALT+F2 and type ndisgtk and hit entery
[17:09] <holstein> enter*
[17:10] <truflip> root privelage something
[17:10] <truflip> i see the inf file btw.
[17:10] <truflip> just found it. weew
[17:14] <truflip> ah i found windows wireless!
[17:14] <holstein> truflip: i dont remember if i needed to restart or not
[17:15] <holstein> i have one card that i use ndiswrapper with
[17:15] <holstein> i think it just started working though
[17:15] <truflip> holstein, bcmwl6 wardware present: No
[17:16] <truflip> didnt ask for me to restart or anything
[17:16] <holstein> truflip: lol
[17:16] <holstein> it wont
[17:16] <holstein> this is a total hack
[17:16] <holstein> truflip: i would expect to see that message if i had the incorrect windows driver
[17:16] <holstein> i would double check that you have the proper driver
[17:17] <holstein> maybe try the one for XP if you DL'd the one for win7 or vista
[17:17] <truflip> ok
[17:17] <truflip> holstein, is there a way i could find out which driver i need to download?
[17:18] <truflip> cuz i used dell.com support earlier and i probably can only get vista version that way
[17:18] <holstein> truflip: in a perfect world, broadcom would release the information about that device, then, the driver would just be in the kernerl
[17:18] <holstein> kernel*
[17:18] <holstein> and you wouldnt need to do anything
[17:18] <holstein> broadcom has recently started doing that though AFAIK
[17:19] <holstein> truflip: i would literally just get some drivers, and try them
[17:19] <holstein> i would try getting them from broadcom instead of dell maybe
[17:19] <holstein> its pretty easy to load them up in ndis, and look for that message
[17:22] <truflip> holstein, do i have to configure network connection for wireless? maybe?
[17:23] <holstein> truflip: not prior to getting the device to load
[17:23] <holstein> truflip: you'll just need to fiddle around, and honestly, it might not work
[17:23] <holstein> truflip: what device is it again?
[17:24] <truflip> what device is what? the laptop or the wireless card?
[17:24] <holstein> NM
[17:24] <holstein> bcm4315
[17:24] <holstein> found it :)
[17:26] <holstein> truflip: im going to do some of the heavy lifting for you... i'll walk you through how i did it
[17:26] <holstein> assuming it works...
[17:27] <truflip> ok
[17:28] <holstein> truflip: try this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/temp/bcmwl6.inf
[17:28] <truflip> downloaded
[17:28] <holstein> you should *not* trust any random link someone drops in the IRC though.... so let me tell you where and why i have it
[17:28] <holstein> i found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/bcm4315-card-no-wlan0-device-no-wireless-extensions-621795/
[17:29] <holstein> suggested getting the driver from http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-60592-1&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&os=2093&product=3652828&sw_lang=
[17:29] <truflip> good enough. :D
[17:29]  * holstein appologizes for the long URL's
[17:30] <truflip> ok i just removed the old one i had.
[17:30] <truflip> then installed this one from you.
[17:30] <holstein> any joy?
[17:31] <truflip> Invalid Driver it says invalid driver
[17:31] <truflip> maybe i should uninstall then reboot?
[17:31] <holstein> yeah... it doesnt have to work
[17:31] <holstein> nah...
[17:31] <truflip> okie
[17:31] <holstein> i would just poke around a bit more, and try some other drivers
[17:31] <truflip> i found something. i'll see if it'll work?
[17:31] <holstein> thats how you do it though... you can extract the .exe's you get and find the .inf, thats all you need to poing ndis to
[17:32] <truflip> to poing ndis to?
[17:32] <holstein> point*
[17:32] <truflip> ah.
[17:33] <truflip> so if i install a drive and it says the hardware isnt present, that means, i got a working hardware but isnt the right wireless card right?
[17:33] <truflip> hol
[17:33] <truflip> holstein,
[17:33] <holstein> truflip: well, thats the theory... thats what i would expect to see
[17:33] <truflip> okie
[17:34] <holstein> hardware not present, or the other message would make me think its not the proper driver
[17:34] <holstein> truflip: you want to make sure theres no hardware switch though
[17:34] <truflip> what hardware switch?
[17:34] <holstein> if you have a hardware switch that turns the device on and off, and its off, i would expect to see 'hardware not present'
[17:34] <holstein> that would be with the proper driver too
[17:35] <holstein> truflip: you may or may not have one... i have a machine with a button, and one with a keyboard shortcut
[17:35] <truflip> oh i know what u saying. toturn on and off the wireless device
[17:36] <holstein> yeah... you want to make sure thats on
[17:36] <truflip> holstein,  ok i think i have it working cuz i just UP and DOWN arrow thing up on the taskbar
[17:36] <truflip> and i'm getting wireless connections. i'm just not connected.
[17:36] <holstein> truflip: this will be hardware though
[17:37] <holstein> that arrow just says 'networking is happening' in general
[17:37] <holstein> doesnt mean the wifi hardware is on or off
[17:37] <truflip> but i'm getting signal from a network i know exist.
[17:37] <truflip> right now i'm LAN
[17:37] <holstein> truflip: yeah?
[17:38] <holstein> you cant connect to it?
[17:38] <truflip> let me try.
[17:41] <truflip> ahh it works!
[17:41] <truflip> holstein, you still there?
[17:43] <truflip> hello
[17:43] <truflip> holstein, it works!
[17:43] <truflip> yea i got connection but i was so slow.
[17:44] <holstein> truflip: that progress
[17:44] <holstein> thats*
[17:45] <truflip> wew thought ur gone again.
[17:46] <truflip> so i dont really need to install ndiswrapper right?
[17:46] <truflip> cuz its installed already...?
[17:46] <holstein> truflip: seems like you are using a driver from somewhere
[17:47] <holstein> yeah, i shouldnt have assumed
[17:48] <truflip> holstein, assumed what?
[17:49] <holstein> truflip: that you *didnt* have a current driver
[17:49] <zkriesse> hallo all
[17:49] <truflip> oh oki. well how i just tried 'sudo apt-get install aircrack-ng
[17:50] <truflip> but its still giving me the same error as before. saying about firmware-b43-installed
[17:50] <holstein> truflip: you never said anything about aircrack
[17:50] <holstein> that is not trivial, and im not sure what you intend to do with that... but i cant/wont help you
[17:51] <truflip> D:
[17:51] <truflip> that's fine i guess.
[17:51] <truflip> answer 1 question though?
[17:51] <holstein> infomation is freely available about it though... i would look on the ubuntu wiki's
[17:51] <holstein> and forums
[17:54] <zkriesse> Wait, why will you not help truflip holstein ?
[17:55] <truflip> holstein, ok i'm trying to install macchanger and its giving me firmware-b43-installer error
[17:55] <holstein> zkriesse: well, i dont know much about aircrack, thats the main reason, but that would cross over into 'wont' if its to crack some wifi somewhere
[17:55] <truflip> that's not aircrack-ng
[17:55] <zkriesse> Then what is it
[17:56] <truflip> idk. everytime i try to install a program using 'apt-get install' i get the same error all the time
[17:56] <truflip> e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:56] <truflip> on top of that is 'firmware-b43-installer
[17:56] <truflip> '
[17:57] <holstein> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/sub-process-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-an-error-code-1-a-171107/
[17:58] <zkriesse> holstein: pm me my friend
[18:02] <truflip> holstein, yea i did that earlier
[18:02] <truflip> apt-get -f install
[18:02] <truflip> apt-get upgrade
[18:02] <truflip> and over and over
[18:02] <truflip> holstein, same error.
[18:03] <truflip> holstein, i'm using ubuntu 10.10. if that would matter
[18:03] <holstein> truflip: im not totally sure whats broken... its something to do with that package
[18:04] <holstein> truflip: maybe you should try synaptic in the system menu
[18:04] <holstein> its a gui
[18:04] <holstein> you can try some of the 'fix' options in the menu
[18:06] <zkriesse> truflip: Why on earth are you using a wi-fi hacker
[18:06] <truflip> just something i wanna learn. but right now all i want is to get my ubuntu get working
[18:06] <zkriesse> Ok well learn how to hack with legality behind it...
[18:07] <zkriesse> Don't hack others, hack your own internet...secure it up and "hack" it
[18:07] <truflip> yea that's what i'm trying sheesh.
[18:08] <truflip> i have 2 routers which i wanna hack if i get the programs running.
[18:09] <zkriesse> Ok I am also "just saying"
[18:09] <holstein> truflip: i know that some hardware is easier than others
[18:09] <zkriesse> We may be open source volunteers but we still have ethics
[18:09] <holstein> its *not* trivial either
[18:10] <zkriesse> Indeed
[18:12] <truflip> some say the best way to learn linux is by walking though hardcore linux stuff. and i'm just walking through it to learn linux.
[18:13] <holstein> truflip: these are your personal routers?
[18:14] <truflip> yep.
[18:14] <holstein> WEP is what you want to be using
[18:14] <holstein> WPA is still quite challenging AFAIK
[18:14] <truflip> AFAIK?
[18:15] <holstein> as far as i know
[18:15] <holstein> and at the end of the day.. what good is this?
[18:15] <truflip> well if my internet fail. which it does from time to time, i would still be able to do my online classes.
[18:15] <holstein> i mean, basically what i take from aircrack is... on my router i run WPA, and i change my passwords often
[18:16] <holstein> truflip: you can reset your personal router anytime
[18:16] <holstein> you dont need to crack it
[18:16] <truflip> they're a pain having to do them in the library which i could have been doing something else more entertaining
[18:16] <holstein> truflip: if your network goes down, and you hack your neighbors, thats not only illegal, its just *not* cool
[18:16] <truflip> yea well if u guys wont help, there's really no hard feelings from me. thanks though
[18:17] <holstein> truflip: i would walk next door and say 'im your neighbor and i was wondering if you will let me share your internet'
[18:17] <holstein> for a couple bucks a month... when/if mine goes down
[18:17] <zkriesse> That way you're being not only honest but also ethical
[18:17] <holstein> OR, if you see folks with WEP, go and offer to help them set up their routers for a fee
[18:18] <holstein> OR better yet, for access to it
[18:18] <holstein> that wont take long to switch them over to WPA, you have access, they are more secure
[18:18] <holstein> its a win win
[18:22] <truflip> holstein, np
[18:43] <aseem> How do you get to know who your BT Guide is ?
[18:44] <bioterror> he will contact you
[18:45] <aseem> oh okay, thanks :)
[19:04] <Guest70791> whats the easiest way to get rid of windows if ubuntu was installed via wubi?
[19:05] <holstein> Guest70791: are you trying to preserve any data?
[19:06] <holstein> easy would be 1. wipe the drive
[19:06] <Guest70791> no most i can just redownload,
[19:06] <holstein> if you need to keep something from the ubuntu install, i would probably copy the home directory and reinstall
[19:06] <holstein> if you need to migrate that wubi install, you can... i dont think its easy though
[19:07] <Guest70791> would i need anything from the install for it to run properly?
[19:07] <Guest70791> i dont want to have to migrate partitions, looks way too confusing for me
[19:07] <holstein> Guest70791: drivers you mean?
[19:07] <holstein> nah
[19:08] <holstein> in theory, if you install the same version of ubuntu you have in the wubi install, it should end up being identical
[19:11] <Guest70791> would i need a usb/cd to do this, like i think i know what to do, but am still kinda confused,
[19:11] <holstein> Guest70791: you can do it however you feel comfortable
[19:12] <holstein> Guest70791: you'll need to get the machine booting a CD or USB, and install from it
[19:12] <holstein> the installer will ask how you want to partition
[19:12] <holstein> one option is 'use entire drive and wipe whatever'
[19:14] <Guest70791> oh okay, and thats the one i want.
[19:15] <Guest70791> just was wondering if there was an easy way without cd/usb because i didnt have one, but i got one, thanks for the help!
[19:17] <holstein> Guest70791: yeah, not easy... theres always an option though... let us know how it goes :)
[19:52] <Guest70791> one last thing, should i uninstall wubi version before i install from cd?
[20:42] <coalwater> just a fast question, bzr pull lp:whatever --overwrite should overwrite my local version right ?
[20:51] <_CommandeR_> Hi there, i currently tried phpsysinfo however for some reason when trying from local it works but from outside it gets to "loading please wait"
[21:14] <froq> I have missed Ubuntu time... how are all of you!
[21:15] <coalwater> hey froq
[21:15] <froq> coalwater, what up coal?!
[21:16] <coalwater> not much, checking some bug to fix lol, but i really need to sleep soon
[21:16] <froq> coalwater, a bug!!!  icky... where is this BUG?
[21:18] <froq> brb....
[21:21] <coalwater> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lernid/+bug/810122
[21:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 810122 in lernid "URL's highlighted and opened include trailing comma" [Low,Confirmed]
[21:26] <mi6ail1234> Greetings...I want to ask you how can i update my Java version


[02:14] <lamont-away> jbailey: status?
[02:16] <jbailey> lamont-away: I plan to run the test build overnight.
[02:17] <lamont-away> ok
[02:17] <lamont-away> is the test just -6.6+yourpatch?
[02:17] <jbailey> The -6.6  from Fabio's directory, yes.
[02:18] <lamont-away> ok
[02:18] <jbailey> Is there a more recent checkout that I can use?
[02:18] <lamont-away> which I still need to merge zuls changes into, and verify that the ABI doesn't bounce anywhere
[02:19] <jbailey> Can you tell me the best way to get something out of that which I can run 'debuild' against?
[02:23] <lamont-away> start with a normal dpkg-source -x of -6.6
[02:23] <lamont-away> mv debian far far away
[02:24] <lamont-away> baz register-archive<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:24] <lamont-away> (if you haven't already)\
[02:24] <lamont-away> baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--preX,7--2.6.12 debian
[02:25] <lamont-away> debuild -i -S
[02:25] <lamont-away> and presto\
[02:26] <jbailey> lamont-away: Thanks, I'll give it a shot
[02:26] <lamont-away> that's pretty much what I do each pass.
[02:26] <lamont-away> with luck, the meeting will be over in a couple hours, and I'll be back online from the fd for a few minutes, teaching some people how to creat mail accts for FD people.
[06:16] <lamont-away> fabbione: about to go to sleep -early day tomorrow...  waiting for jbailey to finish his testing (overnight run), then merging in zul's patches and jbailey's patches, test build everywhere, and upload.  happy happy joy joy
[06:18] <fabbione> jbailey's patches for initramfs?
[06:18] <fabbione> what is working on zul?
[06:18] <fabbione> btw i was your commits.. :)
[06:18] <fabbione> easy fix for hppa
[06:20] <lamont-away> s/was/saw/?
[06:20] <lamont-away> and yeah.  No change in build-deps, but I still plan to change kernel-package
[06:20] <lamont-away> because it's wrong as it sits... :)
[06:21] <fabbione> ywah saw..
[06:21] <fabbione> i just woke up :)
[06:21] <lamont-away> and really ppc64 should be diff than it is, etc, etc.
[06:21] <fabbione> yeah
[06:21] <lamont-away> but I'll ponder some more and probably pester jbailey for his gnu-make fu before I upload that
[06:21] <lamont-away> anyway, gotta go get some sleep.
[06:21] <fabbione> good night
[06:21] <fabbione> i need to go and get started
[07:14] <fabbione> hey desrt
[07:14] <fabbione> no tea :) only coffee ;)
[07:21] <desrt> heh.
[07:21] <desrt> when you say coffee do you mean coffee or espresso?
[07:21] <fabbione> by now i drink american coffee...
[07:21] <desrt> i've found that canadians and europeans have a distinctly different idea of what coffee is
[07:21] <fabbione> i am not used to espresso anymore
[07:22] <desrt> ah.
[07:22] <desrt> i can't stand canadian coffee
[07:22] <fabbione> i drink it only when i go down to italy
[07:22] <desrt> i really prefer the european stuff :)
[07:22] <desrt> and i LIKE biscotti
[07:22] <fabbione> ehehe
[07:22] <desrt> how cliche am i?
[07:24] <fabbione> :)
[07:24] <desrt> i wonder how much a good espresso machine costs
[07:24] <fabbione> the problem is not the machine
[07:24] <fabbione> it's the water/coffee brand combinantion
[07:24] <desrt> oh.  i know where to get beans :)
[07:24] <fabbione> i have real espresso machines here
[07:24] <fabbione> but the water sucks
[07:27] <desrt> hm.
[07:27] <desrt> if you just drink the water is it .. bad?
[07:27] <fabbione> it's not bad
[07:27] <desrt> you'd think taht through the strength of the espresso the water wouldn't make much difference unless it was really awful
[07:27] <fabbione> but good coffee water needs to be "heavy"
[07:27] <fabbione> with lots of iron and stuff
[07:28] <fabbione> this one is too filtered at the source
[07:28] <desrt> ahh
[07:28] <desrt> we call that hard water
[07:28] <desrt> my cottage would be great for that
[07:28] <desrt> we have a well that pumps out of a cold spring
[07:28] <desrt> very hard
[07:29] <fabbione> eheh cool
[07:29] <fabbione> i am back to work in the house
[07:29] <fabbione> cya around
[07:29] <desrt> have fun
[07:29] <desrt> p34ce
[02:11] <zul> morning
[02:34] <chmj> hey zul
[03:27] <zul> hey
[03:47] <zul> bah...cant believe i did that
[04:01] <jbailey> 'that'?
[04:02] <zul> download a 64bit application for 32bit machine
[04:02] <jbailey> =)
[04:03] <zul> stupid sybase
[04:03] <zul> twix are for kids
[04:40] <zul> hehe...from Cisco's web site Cisco has determined that Cisco.com password protection has been compromised.
[04:53] <zul> hey lamont
[04:54] <lamont> morning zul
[04:54] <lamont> jbailey: you awake?
[04:54] <jbailey> lamont: Vaguely.
[07:49] <zul> meh...more drivers
[08:01] <lamont> jbailey: wondering if you had a patch for me yet...
[08:20] <zul> lamont: too late to add more drivers for -7?
[09:41] <lamont> jbailey: any patch-word?
[09:42] <jbailey> lamont: Sorry, buddy, I'm lagging a bit.
[09:42] <lamont> np.  I just wanted to merge your's first, you see...
[09:44] <jbailey> Ah, sorry
[10:22] <jbailey> lamont: This is really sad.  I've gotten impatient when I don't see buildd logs appear 15 minutes after :03/:33 has passed. =)
[10:32] <lamont> jbailey: hehe
[10:33] <lamont> */20 * * * * /srv/buildd.ubuntu.com/bin/mirrorLogs
[10:40] <lamont> test builds started on 3
[10:41] <jbailey> Ah. =)
[10:41] <jbailey> So, erm.  Why can't this just rsync stuff from your hppa box at home? =)
[10:48] <lamont> EBANDWIDTH


[07:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:53] <Borsi> is it really so that kubuntu 14.04 has 10.1.3 mesa?
[08:54] <lordievader> !info libgl1-mesa-dri trusty
[08:54] <lordievader> !info libgl1-mesa-dri
[08:54] <lordievader> Borsi: Seems so, Utopic has 10.2.3
[08:55] <Borsi> i tried yesterday and it has only 2.1 opengl support on my 7870
[08:55] <Borsi> and performance was very bad
[08:55] <Borsi> need newer
[09:00] <lordievader> What driver did you use? (Doesn't radeon of fglrx implement the opengl instead of mesa?)
[09:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks


[11:48] <ahasenack> hi, fyi got a lp timeout when hitting the landscape +activereviews page: OOPS-b2aabc606464e059196ad57299776f34
[11:53] <ahasenack> it worked on the second try, though
[12:15] <shadeslayer> any ideas why https://launchpad.net/~netrunner-os/+archive/build/+build/4012232 failed to upload?
[12:16] <shadeslayer> the upload log doesn't really say much
[12:17] <shadeslayer> if it's a temporary issue, I could just rebuild it ....
[12:26] <didrocks> hey
[12:27] <didrocks> czajkowski: I think I need to have a LP project renamed, how does it work? Should I just see with you? (it seems I can't from the UI)
[12:30] <czajkowski> didrocks: ello yes just file a answer and I'll take care of it
[12:30] <czajkowski> didrocks: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[12:31] <didrocks> czajkowski: here we go! https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/215281
[12:33] <czajkowski> didrocks: done and added the old name to the aliases
[12:33] <didrocks> czajkowski: awesome! thanks a lot :)
[12:34] <czajkowski> np
[12:34] <czajkowski> now if they all were that easy :)
[12:42] <didrocks> heh ;)
[15:34] <adeuring> I am the only one having problems to access branches on LP? for example "bzr push": ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[15:34] <adeuring> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[15:34] <adeuring> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[15:34] <mgz> nope, apparently there was just a blip
[15:34] <czajkowski> adeuring: seemingly not
[15:35] <czajkowski> minor wobbly thrown
[15:35] <adeuring> ahh, now working again
[16:06] <czajkowski> dpm_: any idea who to poke to get answers looked at tha have been assigned to the translations team
[16:08] <dpm_> czajkowski, myself, launchpad developers or the ubuntu-translations-coordinators mailing list. Unfortunately I don't have much time to look at them these days :(
[16:09] <czajkowski> dpm_: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+questions?field.search_text=&field.sort=RELEVANCY&field.sort-empty-marker=1&field.actions.search=Search&field.language=en&field.language-empty-marker=1&field.status=OPEN&field.status-empty-marker=1
[16:09] <czajkowski> good few there
[16:10] <czajkowski> LP devs not really looking at taht any more falls t me
[16:10] <czajkowski> and I don't know translations as well as others
[16:28] <dpm_> czajkowski, I'll try to look at them tomorrow early in the morning
[23:42] <bard> I'd like to delete an old unused launchpad account of mine but I forgot the password and the email address it's linked to is no longer active, what can I do?
[23:55] <Sebo> Hi, How can I get ppa:<user>/<repository> adres from the URL https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/sun-java6-jre ?
[23:55] <Sebo> ...anyone here?