[00:27] <draik> I'm trying to compile purple-otr, but I keep getting an error for libotr not being 3.2.0 or greater (which it is), and another issue with the config being for "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu", and doesn't match "x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu". Pastebin for the ./configure and output/errors can be found here => http://paste.ubuntu.com/5575026/
[02:28] <ScottyK> Is KDE 4.10 going to be available for 12.10 other than the backports?
[03:37] <shadeslayer> ScottyK: you mean in the archive?
[03:37] <shadeslayer> nope
[03:38] <ScottyK> so the only way to get 4.10 for 12.10 is to use the backports, correct?
[03:38] <shadeslayer> the backports PPA, correct
[03:38] <ScottyK> ok, thanks shadeslayer!
[03:39] <shadeslayer> ScottyK: note that there's a ubuntu-backports component as well
[03:39] <shadeslayer> so when refering to the PPA it's always good to append PPA there :P
[03:43] <ScottyK> true! I've got 12.10 right now, one computer I already activated the backport, but the computer I had not. Was curious if it was going to be pushed down before 13.04 came out.
[03:45] <SimonJ57> Evening.
[03:55] <SimonJ57> If I have an application segfaulting using Kubuntu in a VM, would running Kubuntu bare-metal in someway help?
[06:41] <dishantp> BluesKaj, do i need to change the operating system itself, if the broken dependencies aren't fixed?
[07:34] <dishantp> Shadeslayer, can you take out some time and help me fix my system?
[07:34] <dishantp> hi people, i am running kde sc 4.10 on my ubuntu machine and i want to do development work with Amarok.  However due to broken dependencies, it shows there is no kdelibs5 candidate installed. I just want to know that, would it effect the development work?
[07:34] <dishantp> by it, i mean,i just checked on terminal.
[07:35] <dishantp> The problem is mainly with kubuntu-ppa's i added and did a distribution upgrade. Now there is unmet depencendies, and there seems no way out, like a deadlock
[07:39] <sithlord48> dishantp:  you can ppa-purge the ppa and try again possibly
[07:42] <avihay> Hi, I have an error configuring telepathy from git:
[07:42] <dishantp> sithlord48, thank you very much. hope this works,looking into it.
[07:42] <avihay>  CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:97 (MESSAGE):\n  Could NOT find TELEPATHY_QT4 (missing: TELEPATHY_QT4_INCLUDE_DIR)
[07:43] <sithlord48> i have never had luck building stuff w/ cmake
[07:43] <Smurphy> avihay: telepathy is a nightmare. The dependencies are not right, and I manage from time to time to make it work...
[07:43] <avihay> I tried installing nearly all telepathy dev packages I could think of. anyone knows? yofel, I have a feeling you know the answer
[07:43] <Smurphy> But it aint easy.
[07:44] <avihay> :-<
[07:48] <dishantp> sithlord48, unmet dependencies here too. can't even install ppa-purge
[07:48] <dishantp> It says : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:48] <dishantp> kdepimlibs-kio-plugins : Depends: libkimap4 (= 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1~ppa2) but 4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04.2~ppa1 is to be installed
[07:50] <sithlord48> you should be safe to remove that package. if you can remove it w/o breaking your system you can finish your upgrade and then reinstall the newer version (if there is one)
[07:53] <dishantp> sithlord48, won't even remove. libkimap4 and kdepimlibs5-dev are interdependent. okay,a fresh install seems the way togo.
[08:04] <avihay> dishantp: you can force dpkg to install and remove packages
[08:06] <dishantp> avihay : ok,let me see.
[10:35] <n8w> hey guys do u know any graphic editor that automaticaly refresh the content on a change?
[10:36] <n8w> im currently usin gwenview, but everytime i the content changes i need to press f5
[11:27] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[12:16] <ovidiu-florin> I've finally succeded to set up my znc server, now I don't have to miss up on conversations while I'm gone :D
[12:24] <Fuzzles> are kubuntu backports e.g. kde 4.10 stable to use?
[12:25] <Tm_T> Fuzzles: if they're stable releases of KDE SC then yes they should be
[12:27] <Fuzzles> Tm_T: KDE SC?
[12:29] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:29] <Fuzzles> afternoon
[12:32] <Fuzzles> does the backports only hold kde sc or test ones aswell?
[12:38] <yofel> Fuzzles: only the stable ones
[12:39] <Fuzzles> yofel: ok thanks trying 4.10 any min now
[12:42] <avihay> well, I gave up on telepathy, and started to build kdevelop and I have a problem.
[12:43] <avihay> kdevelopplatform builds fine, but kdevelop needs kdevelopplatform, and it doesn't use the newly built one
[12:48] <avihay> umm, and now it does build
[12:50] <Fuzzles> what is kdevelop?
[12:51] <avihay> It's an IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
[12:51] <tsimpson> !info kdevelop | Fuzzles
[12:51] <Fuzzles> oh ok thanks
[12:51] <avihay> ok, I think I got why telepathy didn't work
[12:52] <Fuzzles> rb
[12:52] <Fuzzles> brb
[12:52] <avihay> kdesrc needs sudo to install, but the script isn't interactive, so it fails instead of asking for a password
[13:15] <avihay> woho, it built
[13:35] <avihay> wel, telepathy still doesn't build :-<
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:38] <Feldegast> hi i think i have come across a security issue in the lock screen
[14:38] <Feldegast> sometimes i can press esc and it returns to the desktop without needing to enter the password....
[14:41] <MsCourtney> Hi, Graphics acceleration does not seem to be working at all on Ubuntu 12.10. Its an Intel GPU
[14:42] <Feldegast> does intel have graphics acceleration? i thought only ati and nvidia did....
[14:42] <cmagina> intel does
[14:43]  * cmagina is running on 12.10 with graphics accel right now using an intel chip
[14:44]  * Feldegast is using 12.10 and kernel 3.5.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 05:32:22 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:44] <Feldegast> if i go any newer, usb drives no longer mount
[14:45] <cmagina> interesting, did you report a bug?
[14:45] <Feldegast> yes
[14:45] <Feldegast> #1132498
[14:45] <cmagina> any followup from the kernel team?
[14:46] <Feldegast> i was asked to test against 3.8 which i did and reported back
[14:46] <Feldegast> nothing since then
[14:47] <Feldegast> same issue with 3.8
[14:48] <Feldegast> consolekit is also crashing with any newer kernels
[14:48] <Feldegast> may be related, i do not know enough to be sure
[14:49] <Feldegast> i reported that as bug #1132493
[14:49] <cmagina> yeah, was just reading through it
[14:49] <Feldegast> :)
[14:50] <cmagina> have you attempted to reproduce using lightdm instead of kdm by chance?
[14:50] <Feldegast> i am not sure what else i can do but i am willing to try anything if needed
[14:50]  * cmagina knows nothing about consolekit beyond its existance
[14:50] <Feldegast> i stopped using lightdm a while aback due to other issues but i can try it
[14:51] <cmagina> it would seem to be an issue between the kernel and your hardware or at least that would be my first guess
[14:51] <cmagina> i have some asus boards around, but haven't hit this issue
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, which kubuntu version ?
[14:52] <Feldegast> i am using an eee pc 1001pe
[14:52] <Feldegast> 12.10
[14:52] <cmagina> ah, so laptop
[14:52] <Feldegast> i do not see the issue on my 64bit desktop
[14:53] <Feldegast> i will try lightdm
[14:53] <mr0wl> i'm a little confused, is Kubuntu funded by Canonical or Blue Systems?
[14:53] <Feldegast> blue systems iirc
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, lightdm should be working fine on your system if you've done the updates/upgrades and dist-upgrade since the lightdm issue, which goes back more than 2 months
[14:54] <cmagina> it might not change anything, but if it reproduces, then we can update the bug title to reflect it
[14:54] <Feldegast> BluesKaj i will try it, when lightdn 1st came in kde was more stable
[14:54] <Feldegast> er kdm was more stable
[14:56] <BluesKaj> well ,the default upgrades should replace kdm with lightdm
[14:56] <mr0wl> then Kubuntu should really change it's name
[14:57] <cmagina> why? its no different then lubuntu, xubuntu, etc now
[14:57] <avihay> kubuntu's infrastructure is funded by canonical, kubuntu  development team (just one person, I think) is funded by blue-system
[14:57] <Feldegast> BlaXpirit it did but i went back to kdm cos lightdm wasn't working well for me, will try lightdm now
[14:58] <Feldegast> back asap
[15:00] <yofel> mr0wl: Canonical provides the infrastructure and owns the trademark "Kubuntu" - a rename would mean to leave the *buntusphere. The developer funding comes from blue systems mostly
[15:01] <mr0wl> the name seems too complex
[15:01] <BluesKaj> rumour has it that Ubuntu/Canonical will become a rolling distro next year ,( 14.04)
[15:02] <mr0wl> isn't 14.04 another LTS?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> there's also a shift towards mobile tuned OSs , so the future for desktop and laptop on (K)ubuntu is somewhat murky
[15:04] <mr0wl> funny they would start a rolling release with an LTS
[15:06] <BluesKaj> mr0wl, no one mentioned anything about the LTS , but it's not unreasonable to surmise that a rolling distro can still be an LTS
[15:06] <mr0wl> worst case senario Kubuntu can become a Debian based rolling release distro
[15:07] <mr0wl> it doesn't give the same perception of stability though
[15:08] <BluesKaj> well, these are rumours , so I'm not analysing this too deeply yet :)
[15:09] <BluesKaj> raises some obvious questions tho
[15:17] <Rish> i m using kubuntu on virtual machine...my laptop is connected to wifi...but kubuntu is not connectin to wifi..i mean i cant access internet on kubuntu...what should i do?
[15:19] <lordievader> Rish: How did you setup the vm networking?
[15:20] <Rish> means?
[15:20] <Rish> i m using virtual box
[15:21] <lordievader> Rish: Under the network settings tab have you configured the vm to use NAT?
[15:21] <Feldegast> now i remember why i don't use lightdm, it doesn't work, loading the kde plasma desktop just returns to lightdm
[15:22] <Rish> lordievader: well i didnt configured it...it used to work by itself
[15:23] <Rish> lordievader: how should i check wether its NAT or not?
[15:23] <Feldegast> anything else i should try?
[15:25] <lordievader> Rish: Open Virtualbox, go to the Settings of the VM, to the Network tab, and check if "Attached to:" is set to use NAT.
[15:25] <Rish> lordievader: ya its NAT
[15:25] <Feldegast> anything else i can try?
[15:27] <lordievader> Rish: Hmm usually NAT works... you might try Bridged, bridge it to your wifi card not your lan card ;)
[15:27] <mandoguit> Rish:   switch it to bridged
[15:27] <Rish> ya i got it workin...
[15:27] <Rish> lordievader:  actually it automatically started working
[15:27] <Feldegast> i generally use bridged
[15:27] <Rish> i just restarted the connection
[15:28] <Rish> thanks
[15:28] <lordievader> Feldegast: Different uses, different needs ;)
[15:29] <Feldegast> indeed
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, then you have to make a DM choice , either KDM or Lightdm
[15:30] <Feldegast> BluesKaj not a choice, lightdm fails to load kde so is not a option
[15:30] <Feldegast> i could use gdm i guess
[15:30] <BluesKaj> which kde version, Feldegast ?
[15:31] <Feldegast> i dunno how that would mount my usb drive
[15:32] <Feldegast> let me see.....
[15:34] <Ana-45> Hola
[15:35] <Ana-45> aquí se puede pedir ayuda de ubuntu ?
[15:36] <Feldegast> kde base is 4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1
[15:38] <Ana-45> gracias, ya veo que esto está muerto
[15:38] <Ana-45> ciao
[15:39] <apg>  siapa yang sudah makan?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ok Feldegast so you already have 4.10, that's odd that you would continue to have kde loading issues , but I think you have to have only one DM installed
[15:43] <Feldegast> when u install multiple DMs you select the one u want to use, the others are inactive
[15:43] <Feldegast> at least thats what it looks like
[15:43] <Feldegast> i could remove kdm so only lightdm and gdm are installed
[15:44] <roland_> Hi. I'm running kubuntu 12.04 and something strange happened. run dialog (alt+f2) crashed. and after rebooting the machine, it is unusable. I'm able to login, but after that any keypress I make freezes KDE for 30-45 seconds (clock stops ticking). But I'm able to use the system from console or webmin.
[15:44] <Feldegast> but i do not understand why lightdm can't start the kde desktop, this was the reason for me going back to kdm initially
[15:45] <roland_> Any idea how to diagnose my problem?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> well, your issue seems to be an anomaly , especially if you've done all the proper updates and upgrades , Feldegast
[15:46] <Feldegast> roland is your cpu running hot?
[15:47] <Feldegast> BluesKaj indeed, is there some way to compare current config files with the default ones and selectivly restore the defaults?
[15:48] <roland_> Feldegast: system load is 0.01
[15:48] <Feldegast> this sustem was initially kubunti 10.04, and has been upgraded with each release so it might have un-needed cruft
[15:48] <Feldegast> *system
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, I would try removing KDM and trying lightdm alone.
[15:49] <Feldegast> i can do that
[15:49] <Feldegast> remove gdm too?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:49] <Feldegast> ok will try that
[15:52] <avihay> roland_: install kdiff (can compare entire libraries), move ~/.kde to ~/.kde.badconf , login from the gui and run kdiff on both folders
[15:53] <avihay> badconf should be A and the normal one should be B if you want to perform the changes directly on it
[15:53] <Feldegast> avihay i did that a while back lots of differences not detected during upgrades
[15:54] <avihay> BluesKaj: ^
[15:56] <BluesKaj> avihay,/
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:56] <avihay> I think Feldegas.t pinged me instead of you
[15:57] <avihay> ^ = arrow up
[15:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:58] <Feldegast> avihay i was just saying i reset my kde config files and did a compare like that a while back.....is all
[15:58] <avihay> oh
[15:58] <avihay> I didn't try kdiff on folders till git suggested it to me
[15:59] <Feldegast> it fixed a lot of issues
[15:59] <BluesKaj> well, having 3 DMs is going to cause a problem I'm sure
[15:59] <avihay> shouldn't, only one is active at a time, dpkg magic or somth
[16:00] <Feldegast> exactly the others are deactivated
[16:00] <Feldegast> but i have removed them
[16:00] <BluesKaj> avihay, I had to delete KDM inorder get a desktop after kightdm was auto installed after upgrade to 12.10
[16:01] <Feldegast> BluesKaj we will see if it works brb
[16:02] <avihay> ˄↑⇑⇧⤊⬆ꜛ￪ maybe when you uninstalled, it triggered dpkg-reconfigure DM
[16:02] <avihay> also, arrows!!!!!!
[16:08] <roland_> avihay: I moved the .kde folder, system is now more responsive, but not entirely
[16:09]  * avihay shrugs
[16:09] <roland_> for example, opening dolphin... shows file list 20 seconds after main windows has appeared
[16:10] <avihay> I have something that when right clicking in dolphin, dolphin freezes fora few sec to a few min , and only then show the menu
[16:11] <roland_> I haven't seen this kind of bug jet
[16:11] <roland_> and I've used KDE 4 from the beginnig
[16:12] <avihay> I have a hunch it's nepomuk, but I havn't confirmed yet
[16:17] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have nepomuk / desktop Search and Akonadi and PIM , disabled and kmail , kontact etc removed from my system ... being a home user I don't have any need for any of those app/daemons running
[16:20] <BluesKaj> It looks like Feldegast still has DM troubles ..not back yet
[16:21] <roland_> avihay: I disabled nepomuk and akonadi , but it didn't change a thing(beside the fact that they are not running anymore)
[16:22] <roland_> look like a reinstall is waiting
[16:23]  * avihay wants to reinstall, but his only machine is also his production machine
[16:23] <avihay> :-<
[16:23] <roland_> well this is my production machine that went nuts
[16:28] <BluesKaj> roland_, if you have a browser open , some plugins on chromium and FF can be taking up resources , there was a bug filed a while back about it, that should be solved now
[16:28] <roland_> BluesKaj: I dont have anything open, except for dolphin and konsole
[16:30] <roland_> firefox runs fine
[16:30] <BluesKaj> roland_, have you relogged in since
[16:30] <roland_> I've rebooted the system a couple of times after disabling nepomuk,akonadi
[16:34] <BluesKaj> roland_, have you set them to remain turned off in system settings>startrup&shutdown>session management>"applications to be excluded from sessions" textbox
[16:35] <roland_> BluesKaj: they don't show up in ps anymore
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:53] <Feldegast> lightdm can't find the kde desktop runtime
[16:53] <Feldegast> kdm can however
[16:54] <BluesKaj> very strange
[16:54] <BluesKaj> must be missing some libs
[16:55] <The_Parkers> hey all....would you recommend kubuntu as a good desktop os?
[16:55] <The_Parkers> looking to make the switch from windows 7
[16:55] <BluesKaj> yes The_Parkers  that's why we;re here :)
[16:56] <The_Parkers> people like that over ubuntu?
[16:56] <The_Parkers> just asking?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> you can keep W7 and install kubuntu on a partition beside windows
[16:56] <Feldegast> BluesKaj i doubt it, more likly the kde->kde4->kde name changing broke it
[16:56] <The_Parkers> thats right...good point
[16:57] <The_Parkers> im gonna grab the latest/greatest and go from there
[16:57] <BluesKaj> The_Parkers, a lot of linux users dual boot with windows
[16:58] <BluesKaj> !dualboot
[16:58] <BluesKaj> The_Parkers, ^
[16:58] <The_Parkers> how much of my 370gb should i use for kubuntu
[16:59] <Feldegast> so is there a way to identify if i have any broken config files?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> The_Parkers, that depends on where you plan to keep your media files and data files and how committed you are to using either OS .
[17:00] <Feldegast> The_Parkers i gave myself 80gb
[17:00] <The_Parkers> okay i will partition my hard drive for 80gb and go from there
[17:00] <Feldegast> i keep my media files elsewhere
[17:00] <The_Parkers> thanks all
[17:00] <The_Parkers> ill keep my media on my windows system
[17:01] <Feldegast> you may want/need a separate /boot partition
[17:01] <BluesKaj> right then The_Parkers 80-100G is a resonable size
[17:01] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, boot partitions aren't really necessary anymore
[17:01] <Feldegast> good to know
[17:02] <away> some (most?) people use one partition for / and one for /home
[17:02] <BluesKaj> they just complicate the partitioning process with no rela benefit
[17:02] <Feldegast> this system has been upgraded since 8.04
[17:02] <MsCourtney> Hi, I graphics acceleration is not working on 12.10. Its an Intel GPU.
[17:03] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, have you installed the recommended driver in jockey ?
[17:04] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: There are none. It is an Intel GPU
[17:04] <BluesKaj> onboard ?
[17:05] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: On cpu
[17:09] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: Any ideas?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, in the terminal , lspci | grep VGA , so we canwhich gpu we're dealing with
[17:16] <BluesKaj> see
[17:17] <Feldegast> mine is a Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
[17:18] <Feldegast> i just asumed there was no acceleration
[17:20] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0000]: Intel Corporation Haswell Graphics Controller [8086:0172] (rev 01)
[17:20] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, Feldegast if you have the i965-va-driver installed then you should have #d and Dri
[17:20] <BluesKaj> 3D and dri
[17:21] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: It works out of the box on my Intel HD 4000 GPU on another laptop.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> the best method to find your installed driver is to install mesa-utils , then run, glxinfo | grep OpenGL ..the version string shows the installed driver
[17:24] <mr0wl> has anyone figured out a way to integrate Dropbox with Dolphin?
[17:25] <MsCourtney> mr0wl: Yes, there is something on kde-look.org for that I think, you can get it using the "get hot new stuff"for services in dolphin
[17:26] <Feldegast> renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) IGD x86/MMX/SSE2
[17:27] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, version string ?
[17:28] <Feldegast> version string: 1.4 Mesa 9.0.2
[17:29] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, well install the i965 driver since it appears to be the driver you need , unless it's already installed.
[17:30] <Feldegast> i think my best option is probaly a fresh install
[17:30] <Feldegast> what a pita tho :(
[17:31] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, then you are using the default 2D driver without the Dri or 3D , so install i965
[17:32] <Feldegast> BluesKaj i doubt that would work on a eee pc
[17:34] <reggie_> Hey does Kubuntu suffer from the same issues that Unity suffers when it comes to NVidia and dual monitors???
[17:34] <Feldegast> unity is gnome only
[17:34] <Torch> reggie_: which issues would that be?
[17:35] <reggie_> well torch this is a bit embarrasing
[17:35] <Torch> reggie_: let's hear it then ;-)
[17:35] <reggie_> I'm a network admin and my personal win server 2008 r2 box got hacked through a dos attack
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, according to the the gpu spec requirement in the package manager , the i965 should work
[17:35] <Feldegast> ahh well
[17:36] <reggie_> so got nervous and wiped my machine and decided to take the full Ubuntu plunge but tried Unity 12.10
[17:36] <reggie_> I know LTS is more stable but wanted to try it anyway
[17:36] <rosco_y> reggie_: I switched from 12.10 to LTS, and I'm glad I did.....
[17:36] <Feldegast> reggie_ have u installed the kde desktop?
[17:37] <reggie_> so I wiped my machine installed and things were working well until I tried to move things around and update the box
[17:37] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: Solved my problem. Since this is a prototype computer, its CPU and GPU are not on the market yet and 12.10 does not support it.
[17:37] <reggie_> so now it constantly freeezes when I do random things, mind you I havben't even tried to use the proprietary drivers
[17:38] <Torch> reggie_: maybe you should
[17:38] <reggie_> No i Have not installed KDE desktop do you think Unity is the problem ???
[17:38] <Torch> reggie_: can't tell. i have a stable system with nvdiia 8xx card, kde and the binary nvidia drivers
[17:38] <reggie_> I thought about trying netrunner or mint as a replacement as I read that cinnamon DE does not exhibit issues with dual monitors
[17:38] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, so how did you solve the problem ?
[17:39] <Torch> reggie_: don't believe anything you read ;-)
[17:39] <rosco_y> reggie_: that's what I was going to say:  12.10 randomly went flakey, and I swtiched to LTS.  It's not perfect, but I'm pitching that I like it a lot better.....
[17:39] <Torch> errr, everything, that is ;-) well, in some cases anything.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> anyway , need to go for a bit ...BBL
[17:40] <reggie_>  yea but the thing is I tried Zorin OS 6 which is an LTS version and it exibited the same issues
[17:40] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: I didn't but, it says on here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1066975
[17:40] <Torch> i'm also running 12.04 (not for the LTS, just didn't get around to upgrading to 12.10 yet and will probably skip it)
[17:40] <rosco_y> erhm....I had a question--"is there a command-line utility that can recursively search inside of text files for a pattern, and report the files where the pattern occurs?"
[17:41] <Torch> rosco_y: yes, grep
[17:41] <reggie_> I'm not seeing anything special with 12.10 to be honest.  I like Unity though but think I will have to let it go until version 15.04 :(
[17:41] <rosco_y> Torch: :) beautiful, thanks!
[17:41] <Feldegast> reggie_ 15.04?
[17:42] <rosco_y> I'm thinking no upgrades unless I see something I have to have in a virtual machine first....
[17:42] <rosco_y> I'm in love with forward progress.....
[17:42] <reggie_> this is a bit frustrating, one last thing, I installed vmware workstation to have a windwos install locally but as soon as I try putting the guest into fullscreen mode on let's say monitor 2 system locks up
[17:42] <reggie_> lol Yes I'm serious 15.04 3 years from now lol
[17:42] <Torch> reggie_: same thing, isn't it? gfx driver problem.
[17:43] <Feldegast> reggie_ and u haven't tried the proprietory drivers?
[17:43] <reggie_> I just think for an enterprise environment Unity still feels a bit beta, love the direction it is going but these tyes of bugs should have been worked out prior to a release
[17:43] <Feldegast> i found they were better for dual monitor support
[17:43] <rosco_y> reggie_: I have windows installed in VirtualBox, I use it to run MS's express tools.  Windows runs waaay better under Linux than it does under Windows :)
[17:43] <Torch> reggie_: neither KDE nor gnome nor unity are ready for the enterprise
[17:44] <Feldegast> Torch i think redhat and ibm would disagree
[17:44] <reggie_> Hey Toch you may be right but they're definitely more secure than a windows box :(
[17:44] <reggie_> meant Torch
[17:44]  * Torch shrugs.
[17:45] <Feldegast> unity isn't ready i agree
[17:45] <Torch> Feldegast: they make their money selling that stuff. so what do you expect them to say?
[17:45] <reggie_> I will try running the nvidia driver installation but I'm reading in the forums that they're problematic as well, for example serious artifacts on the screens when running unity 3d
[17:45] <Feldegast> kde 3.5 is fine so is gnome 2
[17:45] <rosco_y> I think KDE is a great work environment for the home office.  I love the Activities and Desktops as a way to organize work spaces.
[17:46] <Feldegast> reggie_ do not use unity then
[17:46] <Torch> reggie_: we won't be able to help you much with unity here, i'm afraid.
[17:46] <Torch> reggie_: like i said, the binary drivers work fine for me with kde
[17:46] <reggie_> Do you guys think perhaps using gnome 3.6 instead would be a more stable deal?
[17:46] <Torch> reggie_: well, this isn't the unity-vs-gnome-channel either ;-)
[17:46] <rosco_y> I'm not fond of gnome, I think it's just what you learned first.
[17:47] <reggie_> I am just asking not asking which is better than the other jkust need a stable DE to work out of
[17:47] <rosco_y> well, blankety-blank the blankety blank.  This is fun, but I gotta get to it.
[17:47] <Feldegast> reggie_ try kde
[17:47] <rosco_y> I agree, kde rules
[17:47] <reggie_> I will give Netrunner a try then
[17:48] <reggie_> although I remember running into problems with netrunner after doing an apt-get upgrade
[17:48] <reggie_> vm stopped working
[17:49] <Feldegast> kde-desktop-environment
[17:49] <reggie_> think it was the last release
[17:50] <reggie_> netrunner is kdecentric :)
[18:43] <mr0wl> anyone proficient in both OSX and Linux here?
[18:44] <reggie_> proficient, can you be specific?
[18:44] <reggie_> are you dealing with a specific issue?
[18:45] <mr0wl> yes with firewalls
[18:45] <mr0wl> i'm trying to interpret certain rules for iptables
[18:47] <reggie_> ahh okay that's clearer when you mentioned firewalls thought you were referring to an appliance, I'm not really good with IP tables
[18:51] <reggie_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[19:59] <Korrosion> Where can we find centos 5 minimal?
[19:59] <bazhang> Korrosion, #centos
[20:44] <mr0wl> is it possible to specify a certain Konsole profile for terminal applications?
[20:53] <BluesKaj> mr0wl, yes open a konsole >settings>manage profiles ... altho I've never tried it
[20:57] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: i was thinking, assigning profiles to certain terminal applications
[20:58] <mr0wl> would i have to use alias?
[20:58] <mr0wl> let's say top: konsole --profile top_profile top?
[21:17] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: apparently this is suppose to be it: konsole --profile my_profile -e terminal_app
[21:17] <mr0wl> but it doesn't work
[22:19] <cihhan> How can i read individual processes' cpu and memory utilization? I checked /proc/pid but i think im still missing something out there.
[22:32] <mandoguit> top
[22:37] <cihhan> mandoguit: if possible i dont want to use external programs to do it
[22:40] <mandoguit> external program??  not sure what you mean then....    top comes with pretty much any distro afaik
[23:58] <Sir1786> hello
[23:58] <mr0wl> Sir1786: hi
[23:58] <Sir1786> mr0wl: how are you?
[23:58] <mr0wl> okay thanks


[22:34] <Beldar> Helena222, Swap can go anywhere. My point here is that had you left the swap sda6, you would have had a sda7 ntfs before it, that is not good. So we removed the swap so you could make a ntfs m=now sda6 and a new swap after that sda7
[22:34] <chndn> can i connect to windows and mac computers also with nomachine???
[22:34] <trism> ice9: it seems you need to manually enable the click-to-minimize in ccsm, I'll see if I can find it when I boot back up in a minute, also 14.04 is still only supported in #ubuntu+1 right now
[22:35] <Helena222> Beldar, OK I will do it and come back
[22:35] <xar-> chndn: this is the Ubuntu support channel; this channel does not support NoMachine NX, please refer to NoMachine's documentation.
[22:35] <chndn> ok
[22:35] <trism> ice9: bug 733349 comment #441
[22:35] <GraemeLion> And it most def is there , works just fine, in +1
[22:35] <siwica> I repost this as I didnt get an answer the last time: On my laptop I can only access the F-Keys (F1, F2, ..., F12) by pressing the Fn-Key at the same time since they are by default occupied by some multimedia keys (mute, turn volume higher, ...). What would be the way to reverse the default behaviour and have the F-Keys working without pressing the Fn-Key and to use the latter for accessing the multimedia-keys?
[22:37] <ice9> trism: thanks, how do I get that patch?
[22:37] <daftykins> siwica: what kind of laptop is it?
[22:38] <ice9> trism: or I just need the ccsm to enable it?
[22:39] <trism> ice9: yeah just install compizconfig-settings-manager and the option should be on the Unity panel I think...I'll check once I put my computer back together
[22:44] <Ziber> So, this seems like a simple idea, but I want to setup a system-wide folder (/shared) that all users can write to, but not delete other users files.
[22:44] <Helena222> Beldar, I think it's done. I did that, swap is now sd7 after NTFS sd6, and finally I swapped on again and now there are two key icons in sd5 and sd7. Is it all fine? This is the screenshot: http://i.imgur.comYLtyOlG.png
[22:44] <dfrank> hi all. When I'm trying to remove package vim-common, it says that package 'ubuntu-minimal' will be removed too. I checked that there are just some doc files included in the ubuntu-minimal package, and I don't really understand what is it for. So, is it ok to remove vim-common (and ubuntu-minimal too)?
[22:45] <geirha> Ziber: so like /tmp then?  chmod 1777
[22:45] <aboSamoor> I have a problem with my package manager, any idea? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176646/
[22:45] <Helena222> Beldar, sorry wrong addres, the right one is http://i.imgur.com/YLtyOlG.png
[22:45] <Beldar> Helena222, For some reason that link is broken.
[22:45] <Ziber> geirha: what's the 1? reading about a chmod +t?
[22:46] <geirha> Ziber: it's the +t, yes.
[22:46] <daftykins> dfrank: run "apt-cache policy ubuntu-minimal" to see what depends on it, or vice versa
[22:46] <Ziber> geirha: Huh. Never heard of that before. Thanks!
[22:46] <Beldar> Helena222, Yeah looks good, good job, you may just have to set the fstab to read that new swap is all in ubuntu if not on.
[22:47] <Helena222> Beldar, uh... what is that fstab thing... ugh... (sorry)
[22:47] <dfrank> daftykins: but, is it ok to remove ubuntu-minimal?
[22:47] <Beldar> Helena222, Leta just boot to the ubuntu install and check that, no big deal, I can help you here too.
[22:47] <daftykins> dfrank: run that to find out :P
[22:48] <Beldar> Lets*
[22:48] <Helena222> Beldar, OK I will reboot
[22:48] <dfrank> daftykins: I already runned. wait a min, I'll paste output =)
[22:49] <dfrank> daftykins: http://vpaste.net/8IOKk   sorry I can't find out can I really remove it or not. Its name is so ... global
[22:50] <yabtzok> somebody help me with shortcuts? i want to make a custom shortcut that is supposed to run bash command : "brightness up" i put this in the command field but it does not work ?
[22:50] <yabtzok> i also put bash before this once but no result :s
[22:50] <daftykins> dfrank: sorry i said the wrong command! apt-cache showpkg ubuntu-minimal
[22:50] <simpleuser> Hi there. Is there a way to zoom on my Xubuntu ? I’m using a small screen and it’s a bit small for my eyes. I remember that some years ago when I used to use Compiz, I could zoom on my screen with Super + Scroll
[22:51] <dfrank> daftykins: holy cow, I shouldn't remove it, it seems
[22:52] <dfrank> daftykins: but, when I type 'sudo apt-get remove vim-common', why doesn't it echo all this huge list of packages? just 'ubuntu-minimal'
[22:52] <dfrank> daftykins: it was touch and go
[22:53] <daftykins> dfrank: because it's a meta package i guess, one linkes to two, links to three
[22:53] <daftykins> :)
[22:53] <daftykins> (where three = a lot)
[22:54] <dfrank> daftykins: thanks
[22:55] <Helena222> Beldar, I think it's all ready. I rebooted and this is the screenshot from the install. http://i.imgur.com/ghqz9ai.png. However, when I rebooted, I first got a message saying that Ubuntu couldn't find some disk and told me to wait or press S or M for mounting or not. I waited and t worked alone. I must still reboot again and see if it works fine.
[22:56] <Beldar> Helena222, Hold on we can make sure it works.
[22:56] <Helena222> Beldar, OK I'm here
[22:57] <Beldar> Helena222, Run in the terminal sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[22:57] <Helena222> Beldar, OK
[22:57] <walidmx> hi!
[22:57] <Beldar> Helena222, Then sudo blkid | pastebinit   and give me the url generated
[22:59] <Helena222> Beldar, how I don't know how to type that symbol, that little straight line between blkid and pastebinit
[23:00] <Beldar> Helena222, You have / | key use the shift for |
[23:00] <Helena222> Belda, OK wait pls
[23:01] <Beldar> hopefully, heh
[23:02] <Anonynimity> Hi. Im running ubuntu. When i login i get a black screen with a mouse pointer but no gui. Can someone help me fix this please?
[23:02] <Beldar> Helena222, Basical what we are doing is seeing if the swap UUID in sudo blkid is the same as the swap UUID in gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[23:03] <Beldar> That may be all the info you need, sorry if dragging this out in caution. Helena222
[23:04] <Helena222> Beldar, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176755/
[23:04] <utusan> sudo mount -a will tell you
[23:05] <jasabella> hi
[23:06] <Beldar> Helena222, so this is the line we are checking   /dev/sda7: UUID="e131ebe8-2c9c-44cc-b72f-4d819ee9bc2a" TYPE="swap"  Now run cat /etc/fstab  and pastebin that info
[23:06] <Anonynimity> Apparently xorg was removed??
[23:06] <Helena222> Beldar, "cat /etc/fstab" ??
[23:07] <dfrank> guys, it seems there's an issue with match() function and multi-byte chars: match() returns index of first match, but if there are multi-byte chars before first match, then each multi-byte chars is interpreted as several chars
[23:07] <Beldar> Helena222, Yes it will make a text block you can copy and paste to a pastebin.
[23:07] <pedrommone> hello guys, can someone gimme tips to boot ubuntu fast with ssd?
[23:07] <dfrank> how to workaround it?
[23:07] <daftykins> Anonynimity: is it 'Ubuntu' or a derivative like 'xubuntu' ?
[23:07] <Anonynimity> Ubuntu
[23:07] <dfrank> say, match("foobar", "bar") returns 3, which is correct.  But match("яfoobar", "bar")  returns 5, which is wrong (should be 4)
[23:08] <dfrank> oh sorry, wrong channel!
[23:08] <Beldar> Helena222, cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit  works the same
[23:09] <daftykins> Anonynimity: what've you changed recently?
[23:09] <jasabella> so if i use dpkg --get-selections/--clear-selections/--set-selections i can create a "restore point" of sorts?
[23:10] <daftykins> that would do nothing of the sort, no
[23:10] <Anonynimity> Havent used the os in a while... I dont remember what was changed. I had done apt-get autoremove but that is when the issues started.
[23:10] <ice9> how to test graphics card performance?
[23:10] <Helena222> Beldar, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176790/
[23:11] <daftykins> Anonynimity: you could check things are installed by running 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ '
[23:12] <Beldar> Helena222, Cool, so we need to change the fstab, so run gksudo gedit /etc/fstab   let me know when it's open.
[23:12] <Helena222> Beldar, OK I do it
[23:12] <RainMan28> guys i'm trying to rdp into my ubuntu 12.04 system from windows. I installed xrdp and am able to connect and login but then only see a blank desktop wallpaper
[23:12] <Anonynimity> One moment daftykins.
[23:13] <Helena222> Beldar, the terminal says that the program gksudo is not installed and that I can install it by typing some code
[23:14] <Beldar> Helena222, I believe it is sudo apt-get install su
[23:14] <Beldar> Helena222, Some code resembles the command right?
[23:14] <reazem_> Hi! I am rocking trusty tahr and whatever video I watch online plays very fast with no sound. I have looked for solutons but none worked.
[23:14] <simpleuser> I often take some screenshots and have to crop them. For that I always use Gimp… Very heavy just to crop images… Which tool do you use to crop images ?
[23:14] <Helena222> Beldar, I'm installing it
[23:15] <Helena222> Beldar, it worked, I installed gksu and now could run your code and it opened a window
[23:16] <Anonynimity> 238 new packages installed 704 upgraded, 556 not upgraded
[23:16] <Helena222> Beldar, do you want a screenshot of that window opened?
[23:16] <reazem_> Update: Changing my audio output just fixed it.
[23:16] <Anonynimity> Guess a bunch of stuff was removed... ??? :/
[23:17] <Beldar> Helena222, Cool so on this line in fstab change it from UUID=d1310627-e7cc-4c5a-a771-3ce8ea536fb0  to UUID=e131ebe8-2c9c-44cc-b72f-4d819ee9bc2a
[23:17] <Beldar> just that portion
[23:18] <Beldar> Helena222, cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit already showed me a screenshot of the open doc.
[23:19] <Helena222> Beldar, I am doing all of this from a different computer, how can I copy and replace the long code number you told me to
[23:19] <Beldar> Helena222, That code is from the sudo blkid I had you run on it.
[23:19] <Anonynimity> Was using kali because of this... Hopefully this works... Thanks so far daftykins.
[23:20] <Helena222> Beldar, sorry I don't understand, got lost... (oops sorry)
[23:20] <Beldar> Helena222,Notice a swap line in blkid and fstab we want the numbers on the blkid the same as ftab in the swap lines.
[23:20] <Beldar> fstab*
[23:21] <Helena222> Beldar, please allow me some time to try to figure out all of it (kind of difficult now) I will come back
[23:23] <Beldar> Helena222, be careful here, don;t just reboot to check it, this has to do with booting these partitions is all.
[23:23] <Helena222> Beldar, in this fstab window, I don't have the two numbers-lines you tell me, please see the screenshot, they are different strings to what you tell me htpp://paste.ubuntu.com/7176815/
[23:24] <Beldar> Helena222, Notice the swap notation line 11?
[23:24] <Helena222> Beldar, sorry, mistake in the URL, this is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176815/
[23:25] <Helena222> Beldar, yes, line 11, what about it?
[23:26] <Beldar> Helena222, That iis from the ubuntu install correct?
[23:27] <Helena222> Beldar, yes I am in the installed Ubuntu
[23:28] <Beldar> Helena222, In line 11 this is incorrect now that we have made a new swap 'e7cc-4c5a-a771-3ce8ea536fb0'
[23:28] <Helena222> Beldar, so what should I replace it with?
[23:29] <Beldar> Helena222, Do you have it open with the gksudo gedit /etc/fstab command
[23:29] <Helena222> Beldar, yes, I did that command you say
[23:29] <Helena222> Beldar, should I repeat it?
[23:29] <Beldar> Helena222, Now in the terminal run sudo blkid and do you see a swap line there?
[23:30] <Helena222> Beldar, okwait pls
[23:30] <Beldar> Helena222, YOU need fstab open
[23:31] <Beldar> Helena222, we have gotten into a circular communication here due to your not understanding.
[23:32] <Helena222> Beldar http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176863/ (fstab was opened)
[23:33] <Beldar> Helena222, So in the swap line in fstab where you see e7cc-4c5a-a771-3ce8ea536fb0  we want e131ebe8-2c9c-44cc-b72f-4d819ee9bc2a   instead
[23:34] <Helena222> Beldar, ok, I will replace it
[23:35] <Beldar> Helena222, Cool, The UUID is what is used to read where partitions are basically, so change it save it and you should be set.
[23:38] <delt> Hello
[23:38] <delt> is gparted included (and usable) on the livedisc?
[23:39] <Beldar> Helena222, That replacement text is from the sudo blkid, you can copy and paste it to the fstab doc open on the computer
[23:40] <rickb> ok. this is a general question. i established an openvpn site to site vpn between two servers. i can ping, nmap, etc. i cannot get snmp 161 to appear in an nmap, it is literally not listening on 161. but when i run an snmpwalk on it, it responds from both sides of the vpn.. BUT observium, the aggregator i am using will not allow me to add the remote server via the vpn ip, even though i can snmpwalk test from the vpn concentrator end.... what the hell.
[23:41] <Helena222> Beldar, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176880/ is it right now?
[23:45] <Beldar> Helena222, remove this part in the swap line in fstab d1310627-   you left part of the original info. it should just be   e131ebe8-2c9c-44cc-b72f-4d819ee9bc2a
[23:45] <Helena222> Beldar, OK
[23:47] <LinuxBro> Hey, having some trouble with FTP.  I set up vsftpd, and I can connect and view files, but I can't download them.  I'm trying to download from /var/www  It's a webserver, and I'm making a website
[23:47] <Helena222> Beldar, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176906/
[23:49] <Beldar> Helena222, Looks good hit save and close it you should be set now.
[23:49] <Helena222> Beldar, a million thanks
[23:49] <Beldar> Helena222, No prob, enjoy.
[23:49] <rickb> can anyone help me :(
[23:49] <Helena222> Beldar, thanks for so much time and such a huge help and your knowledge
[23:49] <OerHeks> !cookie | Beldar
[23:49] <Guest15270> | isn't here
[23:49] <LinuxBro> Hey, having some trouble with FTP.  I set up vsftpd, and I can connect and view files, but I can't download them.  I'm trying to download from /var/www  It's a webserver, and I'm making a website
[23:49] <Helena222> Beldar, THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[23:50] <Beldar> Helena222, Just armchair help, but thanks.
[23:50] <Anonynimity> Now my ubuntu is hanging at "Logging in..."
[23:51] <daftykins> Anonynimity: would you be worried about losing any account customisations?
[23:51] <daftykins> Anonynimity: you could try temporarily renaming ~/.config to ~/.configold
[23:51] <Anonynimity> No daftykins. Just files...
[23:51] <Anonynimity> How would i do that daftykins?
[23:52] <daftykins> mv ~/.config ~/.configold
[23:54] <Anonynimity> Still hanging at login.
[23:55] <daftykins> ok, beyond my experience then i'm afraid
[23:55] <Anonynimity> Going to install gno.e and see if that works...
[23:56] <Anonynimity> Going to install gnome and see if that works...