[05:37] <dragon345> hi
[05:37] <dragon345> is this real
[05:37] <dragon345> i need help with sound
[05:38] <diogenes_> !ask | dragon345
[05:42] <nomenon> !patience
[05:42] <nomenon> spiffy
[05:43] <dragon345> hello, i need help with audio on my PC.  i have speakers plugged in and yet there is no sound when i try to play any music ort watch any videos.  my sound is turned up on both the speakers and computer.  and when i acess the sound settings all it says is "establishing connection to pulse audio.  please wait..."
[05:45] <nomenon> dragon345, Have you gone through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[05:46] <nomenon> if not i would start there, you can copy paste all the relevant commands and see what your working with
[05:46] <dragon345> yeah i did, started there, than asked redit.  and somehow i ended up here lol
[05:47] <nomenon> what kind of computer do you have? laptop speakers or external?
[05:48] <dragon345> i beleve they are external.  plus its a desktop and i have it hooked up to a monitor
[05:48] <dragon345> the speakers have an AUX cord that you are subposed to plug in
[05:49] <nomenon> what kind of soundcard?
[05:49] <dragon345> how would i check that
[05:49] <nomenon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[05:50] <nomenon> dragon345, sudo aplay -l
[05:52] <dragon345> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]   Subdevices: 1/1   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]   Subdevices: 1/1   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]   Subdevices: 1/1   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]   Subdevices: 1/1   Subdevice
[05:52] <dragon345> thats what i got
[05:53] <nomenon> so it looks like if you plug a tv into your hdmi port it would play sound :)
[05:54] <nomenon> so then the troubleshooting page says to run, find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd
[05:55] <nomenon> and see if you have sound modules installed
[05:55] <dragon345> only HDMI?  i think the thing im using is a DVCI or somthing.  but its a real fat plug that plugs into both my monitor and computer
[05:57] <dragon345> also i put in "/lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd" and it said it was a dictonary
[06:01] <dragon345> ~/Desktop$ /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd bash: /lib/modules/4.13.0-39-generic: Is a directory
[06:02] <nomenon>  """""find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd"""""
[06:02] <nomenon> ,,,,^
[06:02] <dragon345> ok wow, haha.  so many things popped up
[06:02] <dragon345> what am i looking for
[06:03] <nomenon> not hdmi nvidia
[06:03] <dragon345> ?
[06:05] <dragon345>  find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd /lib/modules/4.13.0-39-generic/kernel/sound/firewire/tascam/snd-firewire-tascam.ko /lib/modules/4.13.0-39-generic/kernel/sound/firewire/oxfw/snd-oxfw.ko /lib/modules/4.13.0-39-generic/kernel/sound/firewire/dice/snd-dice.ko /lib/modules/4.13.0-39-generic/kernel/sound/firewire/digi00x/snd-firewire-digi00x.ko /lib/modules/4.13.0-39-generic/kernel/sound/firewire/snd-isight.ko /lib/modules/4.13.0
[06:05] <dragon345> a bunch of that stuff
[06:05] <dragon345> wont let me send all
[06:10] <dragon345> can i upload photos somehow here
[06:13] <dragon345> nomenon?
[06:17] <dragon345> im the same dragon345 from before
[06:27] <dragon345> help my audio isnt working
[06:30] <diogenes_> dragon345, did you look into pavucontrol?
[06:33] <dragon345> yeah i did
[06:33] <dragon345> all it says is establishing connection to pulse audio.  please wait
[06:33] <dragon345> idk how to get rid of it
[06:34] <nomenon> click on mousie system task manager   kill it
[06:36] <dragon345> did that, trhan tried to open it
[06:36] <dragon345> same thing
[06:36] <diogenes_> dragon345, what is the output of: lsb_release -a and also uname -r
[06:37] <dragon345> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS Release:	16.04 Codename:	xenial
[06:37] <dragon345> 4.13.0-39-generic
[06:38] <diogenes_> oh i see, i'd advice you to write a usb stick with xubuntu 18.04 and boot it live and try the sound there
[06:39] <dragon345> i have a USB drive.  where do i go to do that and how
[06:39] <diogenes_> first download this app for writeting the usb stick: https://etcher.io/
[06:39] <diogenes_> writing*
[06:40] <diogenes_> after that you grab this torrent: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/bionic/release/desktop/xubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[06:41] <diogenes_> i guess you know how to use the torrent?
[06:41] <dragon345> nope lol, is it hard
[06:41] <diogenes_> dragon345, ok where are you from?
[06:42] <diogenes_> i'll give you the mirror for direct downlioad
[06:43] <diogenes_> at least the region, NA, SA, Europe, Northern Europe and so on...
[06:43] <dragon345> im in the USA
[06:44] <diogenes_> ok then click on this, and download it: http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/18.04/release/xubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:46] <dragon345> alright, what is that?  it seems like its going to take a while to downoad
[06:47] <diogenes_> now i need to go offline for some half an hour, after you download the .iso, you do: 1. insert the usb stick (at least 8 GB), 2. open the etcher application 3. write your usb stick with etcher 4. shutdown the pc 5. start it again and press either esc or f9 or f12 for the boot menu to pop up 5. there you choose to boot from usb and wait till it boots, once it's done booting, you can open firefox and try the youtube for sound
[06:47] <diogenes_> if you have troubles with any of the above steps, you ask here, somebody will answer, if nobody answers, be patient till i join.
[06:48] <dragon345> also, just to make sure im doing it right, i have the etcher electron on the USB stick.  Zubuntu-18.0 torrent on my pc right?
[06:49] <diogenes_> dragon345, this one you need: https://github.com/resin-io/etcher/releases/download/v1.4.4/etcher-electron-1.4.4-linux-x64.zip
[06:49] <diogenes_> click on it and download
[06:50] <dragon345> k.
[06:50]  * diogenes_ is offline
[13:32] <Jedee2011> hi guys, can someone tell me how to activate the screensaver in Xinial?
[13:32] <diogenes_> Jedee2011, you need xscreensaver installed
[13:33] <Jedee2011> is it that simple?
[13:33] <Jedee2011> jeez i feel like a dumbass
[13:33] <diogenes_> yes, also add it to startup
[13:34] <Jedee2011> i've got a list in Synaptics
[13:34] <diogenes_> what list
[13:35] <Jedee2011> screensaver:  Depends: libglade2-0 (>=1:2.6.4-2~) but it is not installable  Recommends: perl5  but it is not installable  Recommends: libgnomeui-0  but it is not installable
[13:35] <diogenes_> xscreensaver not screensaver
[13:36] <Jedee2011> ooops
[13:37] <Jedee2011> i can't find screensaver
[13:37] <Jedee2011> :(
[13:39] <diogenes_> Jedee2011, open the terminakl and run: sudo apt install xscreensaver
[13:39] <diogenes_> just copy/paste the command
[13:40] <Jedee2011> getting the above error in terminal...
[13:40] <Jedee2011> depends something
[13:42] <diogenes_> copy everything you see in the terminal including the command, paste it to https://paste.ubuntu.com/, click on Paste! and share the link here.
[13:43] <Jedee2011> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vp2mfSGYvw/
[13:44] <diogenes_> try tu run: sudo apt install -f
[13:45] <Jedee2011> yes done it
[13:45] <diogenes_> what is the output?
[13:46] <Jedee2011> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VZ4wMKxPwX/
[13:47] <diogenes_> ok now run: sudo apt autoremove after that reboot the computer and try again: sudo apt install xscreensaver
[13:47] <diogenes_> i need to quit now so good luck!
[13:48] <Jedee2011> brb reboot
[13:52] <Jedee2011_> tried Sudo apt install xscreensaver, but still japping about missing stuff
[13:54] <Jedee2011_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gCRwbqzsWZ/
[13:55] <Jedee2011_> my install is kinda old, and i've got no idea how to fix it
[13:59] <Jedee2011_> can i upgrade without wiping my HDD?
[15:06] <Jedee2011> hello everyone, how can i upgrade my xubuntu install?
[15:07] <Jedee2011> i've got a rather old install, but no money for a new external HDD to copy all the important files
[15:09] <GridCube> Jedee2011: sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:11] <Jedee2011> yay thanks ! does it also fix problems and such?
[15:11] <Jedee2011> it's a very old install
[15:12] <GridCube> no idea
[15:12] <Jedee2011> i'm on Xenial now
[15:13] <Jedee2011> i just have to press enter, should i close all the programs running now?
[15:13] <Jedee2011> internet, mail and a couple of other programs...
[15:13] <GridCube> shouldn't bother those much
[15:13] <Jedee2011> ok, "here goes"
[15:13] <GridCube> you'll need to reboot at the end though
[15:14] <Jedee2011> okay !
[15:14] <GridCube> usual reminder to save your important data on regular backups because no one garanties that they'll not get lost by some mistake
[15:15] <Jedee2011> i understand...
[15:15] <GridCube> :)
[15:15] <GridCube> then you should be fine
[15:15] <Jedee2011> i'm holding on tight, and keep my fingers crossed
[15:17] <Jedee2011> 9 minutes....
[15:17] <Jedee2011> brb i hope
[15:44] <nomenon> uh oh
[15:44] <nomenon> hes yet to return >:(
[16:45] <Jedee> Hi guys... Did a full upgrade now im stuck st my ligin screen
[16:45] <Jedee> Login
[16:45] <GridCube> ok
[16:45] <GridCube> go to a tty and login
[16:46] <Jedee> If i enter my password the screen goes black an back to the ligin screen
[16:46] <GridCube> yes
[16:46] <GridCube> press ctrl-alt-F1 to F6 to go to atty
[16:47] <GridCube> there login using your credentials
[16:48] <Jedee> Im in the tty?
[16:48] <GridCube> there you have to run " mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthOLD " and " mv .Xauthority .XauthOLD "
[16:49] <GridCube> to rename those files, then you just press ctrl-alt-F7 to go to the X session and try login in again
[16:50] <Jedee> So all the above i need to enter
[16:51] <GridCube> mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthOLD
[16:51] <GridCube> mv .Xauthority .XauthOLD
[16:51] <Jedee> Sorry this is new for me
[16:51] <GridCube> i mean you could delete them but i don't like to teach rm to people that is not used to tty
[16:52] <Jedee> I stll have my home folder right?
[16:52] <GridCube> yes
[16:52] <GridCube> this will only reset your credentials so you can log in normally
[16:53] <nomenon> Jedee, you are skipping your GUI desktop, and using a command line to move some config files out of the way so your GUI will open
[16:55] <Jedee> Ok reading this from foon hang on
[16:57] <Jedee> Do i have to enter all the ice autority stuff?
[16:58] <Jedee> The paswoord is still wrong
[17:00] <Jedee> (
[17:00] <Jedee> Im a idiot
[17:02] <diogenes_> Jedee, i hope you have a bootable xubuntu usb stick?
[17:03] <Jedee> Yes
[17:04] <Jedee> Can i fix it with that?
[17:05] <diogenes_> Jedee, then boot into the live session, open thunar, find your current home folder, press ctrl+h to see the hidden files and remove those files
[17:05] <diogenes_> .Xauthority and .ICEauthority
[17:09] <Jedee> I, m in the live cd
[17:09] <diogenes_> proceed then
[17:09] <diogenes_> be extremely careful what you remove :)
[17:10] <Jedee> No ice auth
[17:10] <diogenes_> you need these: .Xauthority and .ICEauthority
[17:10] <Jedee> Got it
[17:11] <Jedee> Cant delete
[17:11] <diogenes_> why
[17:11] <diogenes_> what does it say?
[17:12] <Jedee> An x
[17:12] <diogenes_> ok right click on some white space in that folder
[17:12] <diogenes_> and click on open terminal here
[17:12] <Jedee> Yes
[17:12] <diogenes_> now run this: sudo -s thunar
[17:13] <Jedee> Im in !!!
[17:14] <diogenes_> so it opened a new thunar window, now navigate to that same home folder and remove those two files
[17:14] <Jedee> Deletrd the ice auth stuff
[17:14] <Jedee> 2 files
[17:14] <GridCube> yes
[17:14] <diogenes_> ok now reboot and hopefully you done
[17:14] <GridCube> now you can try login in normally
[17:14] <GridCube> :)
[17:15] <Jedee> Ill let you all know
[17:15] <diogenes_> don't forget about fingers crossed :)
[17:17] <Jedee> No luck
[17:17] <Jedee> Still same
[17:17] <Jedee> Should i try again?
[17:17] <GridCube> did you delete those files from your home folder?
[17:17] <Jedee> Yes
[17:17] <GridCube> or accidentally from the livecd's folder :P
[17:18] <diogenes_> also are you sure no capslock is interfering with your password? and you typing it right?
[17:20] <Jedee> Retrying livecd
[17:20] <diogenes_> yes, now first thing you check if those 2 files are gone
[17:21] <diogenes_> if they are gone then we could try another thing
[17:23] <Jedee> There was just one file left
[17:23] <Jedee> Should i delete more?
[17:23] <diogenes_> hehe which one?
[17:23] <Jedee> No idea
[17:24] <diogenes_> you said one file left
[17:24] <diogenes_> what file
[17:24] <Jedee> The xauth file
[17:24] <diogenes_> you mean .Xauthority
[17:24] <Jedee> Yes
[17:25] <diogenes_> ok right click, open the terminal
[17:25] <Jedee> Yes
[17:25] <diogenes_> run: sudo -s rm .Xauthority
[17:27] <Jedee> Commamd not found
[17:28] <diogenes_> ok then: sudo -s thunar
[17:30] <Jedee> Im in thunar
[17:31] <diogenes_> now you know what to do, find your home folder, ctrl+h and look for .Xauthority file
[17:31] <Jedee> Deleted those
[17:31] <Jedee> Restart?
[17:32] <diogenes_> wait wait
[17:32] <Jedee> Ok
[17:32] <diogenes_> which those? the same ones you deleted previously?
[17:32] <Jedee> Yes
[17:32] <diogenes_> right click on the white space, properties
[17:32] <diogenes_> tell me the space of the folder
[17:32] <diogenes_> size
[17:33] <Jedee> 991 gb
[17:33] <diogenes_> ok, now tell me what other files starting with .X are in the folder
[17:34] <Jedee> X defaults xsession errors
[17:35] <diogenes_> ok, while you're in that folder, try to also rename the .config folder to something like .config.old
[17:35] <Jedee> Okay
[17:35] <diogenes_> and the .cache folde rename to .cache.old
[17:36] <Jedee> Done
[17:36] <diogenes_> are you connected to the internet on the live session?
[17:37] <Jedee> Yes
[17:37] <Jedee> Im on my phone
[17:37] <diogenes_> ok now run in terminal: lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:37] <diogenes_> you gonna get a link as the output, so you write here in the chat the link you get
[17:39] <Jedee2012> duh offcourse i could do it via the web
[17:39] <Jedee2012> sorry both on phone and now internet
[17:40] <Jedee2012> could you please show me the code again?
[17:40] <diogenes_> lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:41] <Jedee2012> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XTvMrCvp3p/
[17:42] <diogenes_> what command did ou run?
[17:42] <Jedee2012> the above
[17:42] <Jedee2012> lsblk nc....
[17:43] <diogenes_> nope, it's wrong but anyways, i gtg now, you can try and reboot and see if your issue is fixed, if not then i hope people here with help you further on.
[17:43] <Jedee2012> thanks anyway !
[17:43]  * diogenes_ is off
[17:45] <Jedee> Still no luck
[19:40] <alex_> hey guys can i ask does anyone know if the latest iso has support for installing into baytrial devices?  What i mean is they have a 32bit EFI but 64bit CPU so you need a hybrid boot file.
[19:40] <alex_> thanks
[19:41] <lopta> alex_: Is that true of all Bay Trail devices?
[19:42] <alex_> i'm not sure lopta
[19:42] <lopta> alex_: Do you have disks >2T in size?
[19:42] <alex_> i have this Linx 1010 touchscreen tablet transformer thing
[19:42] <alex_> it has a 64bit CPU but the EFI is only 32bit so some things won't boot, you can modify and respin the iso's if neccessary
[19:43] <lopta> alex_: Does it have BIOS too?
[19:43] <lopta> ...or just EFI?
[19:43] <alex_> nope
[19:43] <lopta> (UEFI?)
[19:44] <alex_> not sure, i've literally only managed to get things DD'd to a usb to boot
[19:44] <lopta> Well that's something, anyway.
[19:44] <lopta> I'm glad you were able to boot from USB.
[19:44] <alex_> it shipped with Windows 8, i've had Windows 10.2 and Ubuntu, Kali, Xubuntu and Parrot Linux on it so far, also managed to boot Android-x86
[19:48] <alex_> however the accelerometer doesnt work, touch screen did
[19:49] <lopta> Promising overall then.
[19:49] <alex_> when i'm not so poor i'll buy a surface lol
[19:51] <nomenon> alex_ likely more entertaining with your current route :)
[19:54] <alex_> for sure, i love the little thing.  cost me 60 euro on ebay
[19:55] <lopta> Bargain! :-)
[20:03] <alex_> wifi card doesn't support monitor mode but it looks rather cool with a USB Alfa clipped on the back lol
[20:40] <xubuntu17w> Hi there. I don't use IRC much, so please forgive me using a guest login.
[20:41] <xubuntu17w> I noticed the pop-up ui for volume control doesn't have a mute option in Xubuntu 18.04. Can this be changed?
[20:45] <lopta> Hello xubuntu17w
[21:01] <xubuntu17w> Hi
[21:01] <xubuntu17w> Best solution I've come up with so far is:
[21:01] <xubuntu17w> amixer -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle
[21:02] <xubuntu17w> Should have been built into the UI, I think.
[21:02] <xubuntu17w> Wonder whose idea this was.
[21:03] <diogenes_> xubuntu17w, there is mute switch for both volume and microphone
[21:03] <lopta> I couldn't say.  I'm not near a Linux box.
[21:04] <xubuntu17w> Is there a cloud service you guys prefer to share images for screenshots?
[21:04] <diogenes_> imgur
[21:06] <xubuntu17w> Ahh, yeah. Its the pulseaudio panel plugin that I'm talking about
[21:06] <xubuntu17w> In 14.04, when you clicked on the icon it muted
[21:08] <xubuntu17w> PritScr used to trigger a nice diaglog in Xubuntu 14.04. Not in 18.04?
[21:09] <xubuntu17w> *PrintScr
[21:09] <diogenes_> xubuntu17w, watch this: http://i.imgur.com/cx19gDa.png
[21:10] <xubuntu17w> That's a still image of the slider moved to mute. I'm looking for a click, as opposed to a slide solution.
[21:11] <xubuntu17w> Right now I just added a new launcher to my panel that runs a toggle command to amixer
[21:11] <diogenes_> oh ok
[21:24] <bauxit> Hi, I am installing my new (used) laptop and I would keep it minimal as much as I can. I have been started with Ubuntu minimal iso and I am at the DE install part. I am going for XFCE4 but cannot make decision between simple xfce4 and xfce4 --no-install-recommends
[21:24] <bauxit> Is there any reasonable difference between the two result?
[21:31] <lopta> bauxit: I could test it but probably won't have time this week.
[21:31] <krytarik> bauxit: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/xfce4 - for reference.
[21:32] <lopta> Does Xfce4 installed that way differ a lot from the Xfce4 in Xubuntu?
[21:32] <krytarik> Yep.
[21:33] <lopta> Aha!
[21:33] <nomenon> bauxit, just use mini.iso and install xubuntu desktop meta package    unless you legit have like 2gb hdd
[21:35] <Unit193> You could even select the Core task if you prefer to select your own browser, office suite, etc.  I'd recommend tasks over metas.
[21:36] <nomenon> i likely used the wrong word
[21:36] <nomenon> i was just referring to the xubuntu desktop option on the mini installer
[21:36] <Unit193> That indeed would be the task.
[21:37] <nomenon> I started with the core but found it easier to remove a couple things then add a bunch
[21:38] <bauxit> I did not get the DE selection menu so I am going for the manual install but would be great to keep it minimal 'cause I use approx 30% only from the pre-installed softwares
[21:38] <bauxit> I do not care about built-in games/cdburner/etc
[21:39] <bauxit> so if I could skip them with the no install recommends argument woudl be fine
[21:41] <bauxit> btw I checked the potential disk usage in the install command summary and without recommends it should use 130MB only but without the argument it would use 661MB
[21:42] <krytarik> Because it'll be missing out all of Xorg too then.
[21:45] <nomenon> bauxit, I think some virtualization software to play around before hand would work well for you >:D
[21:45] <lopta> Does Xubuntu use Wayland or X11 ...or both?
[21:45] <bauxit> forgive me if I ask dumb question but Xorg should not be a required dependecy or if it is why will ignore the whole xorg?
[21:46] <lopta> nomenon: That's not an option for everyone.
[21:46] <Unit193> bauxit: Try  apt install xubuntu-desktop^  vs  apt install xubuntu-core^  ?
[21:46] <nomenon> lopta, why
[21:47] <lopta> nomenon: I used to run VMs on my old work laptop but my new work laptop has that capability disabled.
[21:47] <nomenon> you can use virtualbox off a usb at the library
[21:47] <lopta> nomenon: ...and none of my test rigs at work can do virtualisation.
[21:47] <bauxit> Unit193: ubuntu-core install would take 1345MB
[21:47] <bauxit> I do not think it is for me :D
[21:47] <lopta> nomenon: That doesn't sound very practical.
[21:47] <bauxit> sorry xubuntu-core
[21:48] <Unit193> bauxit: That was with the carrot?
[21:48] <bauxit> carrot?
[21:48] <Unit193> And interesting, I'll have to look.
[21:48] <lopta> Caret ^
[21:48] <bauxit> without
[21:49] <Unit193> Caret*
[21:49] <bauxit> just `xubuntu-core`
[21:49] <Unit193> Yeah all bets are off with that, then.
[21:51] <nomenon> roughly 1gb difference
[21:51] <lopta> Corporate IT said virtualisation shouldn't be disabled on my work laptop but I don't think they know how to turn it on.
[21:52] <nomenon> lopta, bios settings
[21:52] <lopta> nomenon: Can't get into the CMOS setup program ("BIOS")
[21:52] <nomenon> hack it
[21:52] <lopta> Don't think it even has one.
[21:52] <lopta> brb, phone
[21:52] <bauxit> tbh looks to me all DE going to be more and more bloatware with many unnecessary built-in apps but I do not get the poit why it is going to be a standard
[21:52] <nomenon> oh ya
[21:53] <lopta> I have to go.
[22:21] <bauxit> well, I just quickly installed xorg and xfce4 wihtout recommends and the result was (O.o)
[22:21] <bauxit> so that was too minimal... that's all, thanks guys
[22:22] <nomenon> lol


 I use pc#1 with both monitors most of the time, but have connected pc#2 to the smallest monitor using a VGA cable (whereas pc#1 is connected to the same monitor using DVI) so that I can just click the 'source' button on the monitor to switch between the two input sources and therefore the two pcs. My question is this: Can I get kubuntu (running on pc#1, the one connected to both monitors) to automatically
[12:31] <bork> detect that it now only has access to a single monitor and adjust behavior automatically?
[12:33] <bork> I'm not even sure if this is possible (that the monitor actually tells the pcs that it switches input source) or whether it's ubuntu itself, KDE or something else that would have to deal with this.
 Lol
 Good morning folks
[21:53] <tammykay> Imprison Those Who Expose the Lies of History: https://www.bitchute.com/video/h8C8zLukpyTS/ (When history comes to you forced by law, one thing is sure. It’s a lie.)


[07:11] <JackFrost> teward: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-January/040575.html didn't wrap so well.
[11:05] <Mirv> it's probably the case of "everyone is too busy with other things to help", since that also needs time.. which leads to being more busy since the same people tend to share multiple responsibilities they don't have time think about, but which are also too important to simply give out to someone else without careful planning
[11:06] <Mirv> SRU team is really, really small and with nearly no dedicated time from any of the members, AFAIK. but SRUs are handled more since they're a must, backports is easier to ignore since it's rarely critical
[11:07] <Mirv> anyway, hopefully there's progress with this one, backports process indeed has been quite broken
[11:26] <rbasak> I don't think there's much overlap between the SRU and backports teams, is there?
[11:27] <rbasak> But we've had a few (capable) new volunteers in recent years to join the backports team, so I think the process just needs sorting out.
[11:27] <rbasak> I feel that with volunteers available the queue is inappropriately stuck because those currently in the team don't have time. We should free things up to allow the new volunteers to take over in that case.
[11:41] <Laney> The process drives the volunteers to not want to work on it. I say we fix that (as the mail is trying to do), and then it might be something that can actually be sustainable. Throwing more people at the current system isn't going to work.
[11:41] <Laney> (IMO)
[11:44] <sil2100> Mirv: SRU members have no power over backports, so even if I wanted to review a package from the queue, I physically can't do that (at least last time I tried I couldn't)
[11:55] <rbasak> Laney: I agree - I just mean that those who are volunteering now, and any existing team members who are available to be involved, can work on the process change.
[11:56]  * Laney nods
[12:13] <JackFrost> rbasak: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be one of the reviewers, but if it were to be Debian style at all then I'd more than volunteer to keep a few packages updated (Debian style: New packages to backports are reviewed, uploaded by DDs/DMs/sponsors, then kept up to date and are the responsibility of whoever uploaded.)
[12:41] <Mirv> rbasak: sil2100: you're correct, I just mentioned SRU is another team that has quite few members and the members have often had 10+ year membership
[12:42] <JackFrost> And noted the key difference.
[15:11] <teward> JackFrost: wrapping is probably the side effect of me having to use a webclient to submit
[15:11] <teward> unfortunately.
[15:16] <teward> JackFrost: the tricky part is controlling that upload access without trampling toes.  Part of the problem currently is who has upload access to backports - the proposal as-is would extend upload rights to those already with privileges, though any additional updates may need review from the Backports team to make sure nothing obscene is going on; that said, those with upload access for a package should already know enough to not break the
[15:16] <teward> universe at large, so.
[15:16] <teward> as Laney said, the system as-is is unsustainable, so redoing the process so it can be sustainable is the first step.
[15:17] <teward> so with this proposal currently, and if approval was all around, then uploads access would be available for MOTU, PPU uploaders, and anyone else with that level of upload access to the repositories for {INSERT_PACKAGE_HERE} (sponsors included I believe)
[15:19] <teward> Mirv: sil2100: correct me if I"m wrong but SRU members aren't just 'volunteers' right?
[15:19] <rbasak> Most are Canonical employees.
[15:19] <rbasak> From the Ubuntu project's perspective they are volunteers, just that Canonical is volunteering them.
[15:19] <teward> right
[15:20] <teward> rbasak: point being that to some extent they're being offered by Canonical (who employs and pays them) to do the SRU tasks
[15:20] <teward> rather than the Backporters team which AFAICT is not a 'canonical driven' process
[15:21] <rbasak> Right. I don't know about the early days but in all my time it's never been a thing that Canonical is interested in driving. It's permitted through Ubuntu's processes without Canonical having an interest.
[15:21] <teward> *nods*
[15:21] <rbasak> I think (but can't speak for Canonical) that the view generally is that it's too painful a process (not just the backports process but the deb packaging process) and it'd be better to enable upstreams to ship snaps.
[15:22] <teward> Mirv: ^ the above discussion there being that while SRU team is small that's Canonical driven, so there's monetary backing.  The current Backports process, even if it weren't broken, is all volunteers.
[15:22] <teward> rbasak: I don't disagree, but I think that we can't completely get rid of Backports entirely.
[15:22] <teward> namely because not everything is sanely snappable.
[15:23] <teward> and in the case of things like, oh, Lubuntu, who absolutely refuses to ship snaps or snapd for any reason whatsoever, they don't want to touch snaps.
[15:23] <teward> (you know who to yell at for that one, and if you don't i've already done that part repeatedly so... that's a dead horse discussion there)
[15:25] <teward> as for Backports, there is some precedent for still providing them, in certain cases currently some packages *are* being backported with dev backing.  I don't like that "anyone" can request a backport, but we can't let that process die currently where things that can be backported SHOULD be backported but are in and of themselves not snappable as of yet.
[15:25] <teward> (there are cases)
[15:25] <teward> (though I don't have all of them)
[15:25] <teward> not to mention, those opposed to snaps will prefer backports (and whenever you start scanning the list of Ask Ubuntu questions as I do you start seeing people getting confused or mad at snaps for various reasons)
[15:26] <teward> my two cents on that part.
[15:26] <teward> (sorry if i'm not being coherent as much today, I'm still waking up - 3 cups of coffee and counting)
[15:26] <rbasak> teward: I see no reason that the backports repository can't continue as it is. And process changes about how to land into that pocket don't seem like they'd be problematic either.
[15:27] <teward> rbasak: indeed, that was my thought as well, and I think in part Laney's thoughts as well because having one or two people being the only ones with upload access is... well, to say the least a stressor where we can offload most of that upload power to those who already have access.
[15:28] <teward> ... bleh, I broke an SSL cert on a production machine, back in a bit... *goes to fix the machine in the workplace*


[00:32] <josh_> I'm having trouble installing. I insert the disc it wakes an hour to download and then says there is an error.
[08:17] <voe> Im trying to add a dns to resolv.conf but it tells me not to edit it directly
[08:17] <voe> is there somewhere im supposed to insert my dns elsewhere?
[08:23] <Frank81> hi any one in here can tell me how i can purge a package
[08:23] <Frank81> and ignoring all fails he should simply remove it from package manager he don't needs to edit or delet anything
[16:05] <zChris|2> I installed Lubuntu-restricted-extra and still cant play Flash since it cant fiNd the plugin. What do i do from here?
[16:05] <holstein> zChris|2: i use the chome browser, not chromium, since it has its own flash version integrated
[16:06] <holstein> zChris|2: you can elaborate about what browser you are using, and what errors you have
[16:06] <zChris|2> I use the default browser in Lubuntu-latest which is Chromium, it says it cant find Shockwave flash
[16:07] <holstein> zChris|2: did you restart it after installing flash?
[16:07] <holstein> !flash
[16:07] <zChris|2> holstein: the computer or browser? i restarted the browser
[16:07] <holstein> i would just manually check for and install flash, if using the chrome browser is unacceptable
[16:07] <holstein> zChris|2: the browser
[16:09] <zChris|2> Do i need to install ubuntu-restricted-extras aswell?
[16:10] <holstein> zChris|2: i would read the flash wiki and just install the flash package
[16:16] <holstein> zChris|2: what do you seee at http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ ?
[16:23] <Frank81> can some one tell me where i could add a line that gets executed automaticly befor some other init scripts get executed
[16:23] <holstein> some other?
[16:27] <zChris|2> holstein: my system crashed :(
[16:34] <Frank81> choosed /etc/rc.local if any one is interested
[16:52] <soulspire> Hello :)
[16:52] <soulspire> Want a lightweight distro and wondering if this will do most basic tats and run fast, no gaming
[17:01] <holstein> zChris: you mean, when you went to that site? to confirm flash?
[18:10] <Frank81> any one knows what i need to install to get emails forwarded that get send to a mx entry in my dns entrys of a public reachable domain to a other email server?
[18:17] <holstein> Frank81: i would ask in a server channel
[21:05] <kennethlh> not able to get internet in default lubuntu install http://pastebin.com/n2qTCTCv
[21:11] <kennethlh> any help would be appreciated
[21:12] <Unit193> !bcm | Shouldn't be hard to setup, I have at least one of those.
[21:13] <Unit193> !info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[21:14] <kennethlh> yeah, that pkg. wants to download from the internet
[21:15] <Unit193> Yeah, on the wikipage there's an offline section.  One of the packages shipped with the tar too, but could be the wrong one.
[21:35] <internetnikolay> hello
[21:36] <internetnikolay> i am internetnikolay and me need help
[21:37] <internetnikolay> is who
[21:37] <Unit193> !ask
[21:40] <internetnikolay> established not long ago lubuntu. before yuzal many distributions. Gentoo in the axle and the hackintosh, but tired to understand the intricacies and therefore decided to switch to something simple. What do you think lubuntu suited just for work, rest?
[21:42] <internetnikolay> is who


[00:00] <paranoidi> as a kernel parameter?
[00:00] <WinstonSmith> menu.lst?
[00:01] <RoyK> paranoidi: just add it to the bootup
[00:01] <RoyK> F6 if on the installer
[00:01] <paranoidi> it's already running system
[00:01] <WinstonSmith> i thought that was the old grub?
[00:01] <paranoidi> and yes, still running old grub
[00:01] <WinstonSmith> ah ok :)
[00:02] <WinstonSmith> \o/
[00:02] <paranoidi> the new one looks much more confusing :)
[00:02] <RoyK> paranoidi: just add it to the kernel line
[00:02] <paranoidi> RoyK: I'll try next time I boot, time for sleep soon
[00:02] <WinstonSmith> i never understood how you can go from easy understandable to such a crap as the new grub....
[00:03] <paranoidi> yeah, I lost all desire to switch after reading about it for 10 minutes
[00:04] <WinstonSmith> one of the great points of linux for me was always the readable config files
[00:05] <paranoidi> anyway, this graphics mode is least of my worries, much worse is the fact that my crappy RocketRaid 2340 is not working anymore since some moron (me) accidentally uninstalled the kernel it was working with ..
[00:05] <paranoidi> I had about 10 different kernel versions so I thought to clean up a bit ..
[00:05] <WinstonSmith> well new grub has it too but totally complicated plus you have to run update-grub every time you change something... :(
[00:06] <WinstonSmith> \o/ for uninstalling stuff and wishing later one had just shot himself in the foot
[00:06] <paranoidi> I was under assumption that it would've been supported with latest kernel instead of that propietary crap but apparently not .. so I'm SOL
[00:07] <paranoidi> and I'm 99% sure it will not go into latest kernel
[00:08] <WinstonSmith> yes that happened to me with my old old motherboard. had a raid controller with a horrible binary blob driver. then came kernel 2.6 and they dropped support
[00:08]  * WinstonSmith was really pleased
[00:09] <paranoidi> I kind of feel bad for driver developers though since kernel api is changing so rapidly compared to windows ..
[00:10] <paranoidi> what's even worse this card has possibly a bug that non-raid drives (called "legacy") are corrupted in certain places of the disk
[00:10] <WinstonSmith> heh
[00:10] <paranoidi> and it's in the bios .. and latest is from 2007
[00:50] <lifeless> SpamapS: hey another lxc q
[00:50] <lifeless> SpamapS: can a 32 bit lucid be contained on a 64 bit natty ?
[00:51] <SpamapS> lifeless: it should work, since it is little more than a wrapper around the syscalls, and the 32-bit binaries work fine on 64-bit systems.
[00:52] <SpamapS> lifeless: I could see there being holes where somebody gets "cute" and thinks their on a 64-bit system and does the wrong thing in userland.. but that seems like a corner case that could be worked around.
[00:53] <SpamapS> lifeless: basically what works in chroots, works in lxc
[00:55] <SpamapS> lifeless: building one will take modifications to the templates it seems
[00:55] <SpamapS>     arch=$(arch)
[00:56] <lifeless> is this worth a bug, or will you JFDI fix it ?
[00:56] <disorbtion1> I'm running 11.04 Server LTS. Has anyone seen the error <restart: Unknown instance:> when trying to restart nmbd? I had it working fine on my last install before I broke it and had to re-install (linux noobie here)
[00:58] <SpamapS> lifeless: its non trivial so a bug would be good, I'm not sure what options there are for passing arguments into the templates.
[00:58] <lifeless> lxc-create ?
[00:58] <SpamapS> disorbtion1: you mean 10.04 LTS, or 11.04 .. 11.04 is not an LTS
[00:58] <lifeless> bah
[00:58] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc ?
[00:58] <SpamapS> lifeless: yes
[00:59] <SpamapS> lifeless: /usr/lib/lxc/templates is where they live
[01:00] <disorbtion1> yes sorry 10.04 LTS I was running 11.04 the first time (nonLTS) and everything was fine, blew it up and re-installed used LTS since I figured it would probably be more stable...
[01:00] <SpamapS> They seem a bit whacky to me... all the ubuntu ones should be nearly identical for 90% of the code.. probably just copy and pasted
[01:00] <SpamapS> disorbtion1: you can't restart something that isn't running
[01:00] <SpamapS> disorbtion1: service stop nmbd ; service start nmbd
[01:00] <lifeless> SpamapS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/798476
[01:01] <SpamapS> lifeless: indeed, I'll take a look at it tomorrow.. just about EOD here
[01:01] <lifeless> cool
[01:01] <lifeless> that arch=i386 is the only thing needed in the template?
[01:01] <SpamapS> (tomorrow meaning later on when the family is asleep and I "can't sleep") ;)
[01:01] <SpamapS> lifeless: yep
[01:01] <SpamapS> lifeless: so you could probably just make an lxc-lucid-i386
[01:02] <SpamapS> which is probably what most people do
[01:02] <SpamapS> anyway, have to run.. good luck
[01:02] <disorbtion1> it looks like it won't stay running. I start it and then go to restart and get the same error message...
[01:03] <disorbtion1> also stop returns stop: unknown instance:
[01:05] <lifeless> SpamapS: zomg
[01:05] <lifeless> SpamapS: first line of man lxc-create makes me want to buy someone a grammar book
[01:05] <lifeless> disorbtion1: I'd look in the logs, figure out why its failing
[01:06] <lifeless> disorbtion1: does it get going at all?
[01:15] <disorbtion1> remember total linux noob, had to look up how to view logs. which log should I be focusing on?
[01:28] <disorbtion1> It was so simple once I looked in the logs, thanks for the help!
[01:47] <smoser> wonder if anyone has a solution.
[01:47] <smoser> i have a system that has an ssh port open to the public internet
[01:48] <smoser> and another system on the private network that it is connected to
[01:48] <smoser> i'd like to give someone access to the second system (not externally addressable), but ideally only after having acled through the first.
[01:49] <smoser> i know i can do this by letting them set up their ~/.config to use ProxyCommand and nc
[01:49] <smoser> however, that means
[01:49] <smoser> a.) they could "stop" at the middle system
[01:49] <smoser> b.) they have to deal with .ssh/config
[01:50] <smoser> i'm sure i could coble together some solution where a user on the public facing system had a shell of 'nc' or something, but it seems hacky and i don't want to do any work.
[01:50] <smoser> so i'm wondering if this is a problem that is already solved (and likely better than i woudl solve it)
[02:05] <erichammond> smoser: Perhaps prepend command="ssh ..." to authorized_keys file on the first system?  It could be on an account dedicated to them, or really any user so long as it was on the line that contained their public ssh key.
[02:06] <smoser> ah. yeah, maybe.
[02:06] <smoser> well done, mr hammond.
[02:07] <erichammond> testing...
[02:18] <virusuy> smoser: so, sorry for the question, but, why you should do that?
[02:18] <virusuy> isn't easier to just let the uer log in into the second one?
[02:19] <virusuy> instead of connect to first one and then connect to second one?
[02:20] <smoser> the first one is not connected to "public internet"
[02:20] <smoser> only private.
[02:20] <smoser> wait.
[02:20] <smoser> sorry
[02:20] <smoser> the system i want the user to get to exists only on private network.
[02:20] <smoser> the system i want them to hop through has only a single port open to internet
[02:24] <erichammond> smoser: Yep, command= approach works, but you may need to fiddle with ssh options to get things to work cleanly.
[02:24] <erichammond> For example, I needed to use command="ssh -p NNNN USERNAME@HOSTNAME"
[02:25] <smoser> ssh is freaking awesome
[02:25] <erichammond> And, in the initial connect, I used "ssh -t -A" to force pseudo-tty allocation and to pass on my user agent.
[02:28] <smoser> hm.. i wouldnt have thoght you would have to use -t
[02:31] <twb> Agent forwarding blows.
[02:32] <twb> -oProxyCommand is where it's at
[02:34] <smoser> well, i think you use the combined trick
[02:34] <smoser> the command would be 'nc -q0 HOSTNAME', but then you probably have ot have the same username on both systems.
[02:35] <smoser> hm... maybe not though. have to play with it a bit.
[02:40] <brianthelion> Hola! Anybody want to field some krb5/nfs4 questions?
[02:41] <brianthelion> I'm dealing with an office full of wedged clients
[02:48] <erichammond> smoser: If your authorized_keys command= uses "nc" that would be like telnet'ing to the remote ssh server.  Your local ssh client would not be authenticating itself again once it's done with the first hop.
[02:51] <smoser> yeah. i realized that.
[02:51] <erichammond> smoser: The first ssh could set up an ssh tunnel from the user's local computer through the gateway to the ssh port on the inner computer.  Then they could initiate a second ssh to localhost that goes through the tunnel to the inner computer.  This avoids problems with agent forwarding (which can be a security risk).
[02:51] <twb> erichammond: you'll want to disable other port forwarding techniques and such
[02:56] <erichammond> twb: You could assume that authenticating yourself on the gateway gives you authorization to connect to any port on the internal network.  It's up to smoser's particular situation if this policy makes sense.
[02:57] <twb> erichammond: in that case you don't need a command=
[02:57] <smoser> yeah, for me, they're in, they're in.
[02:57] <twb> I assumed you were using command= to forcibly restrict the connecting user to ONLY hop from the bastion to somewhere specific
[02:57] <erichammond> twb: You still need to authenticate yourself with the gateway and prevent command line access on that machine.
[02:57] <smoser> i want the command = because i dont want to have to set up .ssh/config
[02:57] <twb> erichammond: ah, OK
[02:57] <smoser> and also, i dont really want them to be able to "stop" on the intermediate
[02:57] <erichammond> (according to the original requirements)
[02:57] <smoser> i want only access to the second internal system.
[02:58] <twb> erichammond: so broadly you want -fNL -NW
[02:58] <smoser> so the command= was nice.
[02:58] <twb> *or -NW
[02:58] <twb> And to enforce that usage in authorized_keys
[02:59] <erichammond> twb: Can the gateway authorized_keys enforce -N on the original client?
[03:01] <twb> Not sure, possibly command=/bin/sh
[03:01] <twb> Er, /bin/false
[03:03] <twb> Normally what I would do is either set up the bastion with normal users, or DNAT traffic to (say) 2022 from the bastion to the users' shell bastion
[03:03] <twb> Or give them a VPN, with an endpoint terminating on the bastion
[03:04] <erichammond> yikes, Just read "man authorized-keys" and it seems to imply that port-forwarding is allowed by default even when command= is used.  Time to add "no-port-forwarding" to some servers.
[03:04] <brianthelion> I've got a sweet krb5/ldap/autofs/nfs4 stack.... except that it's broken. Anybody?
[03:05] <erichammond> ahhh, our svn setup already includes: "no-port-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-pty"
[03:07] <erichammond> smoser: Might be a good idea to add those qualifiers to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys command= line in Ubuntu AMIs.
[03:08] <smoser> well... you're still getting in as root with the authorized keys
[03:08] <smoser> with legit authorized keys
[03:08] <smoser> being able to forward traffic isn't htat big of a deal
[03:09] <erichammond> smoser: You have no idea what they do with the ubuntu user's ssh configuration after they start the instance.  Might as well make the original ssh key have as little permission as possible over in that root@ account they forgot about and maybe never even knew allowed people in.
[03:12] <erichammond> smoser: Submitting a bug. Would that be "cloud-init" or some other package?
[03:12] <smoser> cloud-init
[03:25] <erichammond> bug 798505
[03:28] <smoser> ok, erichammond here is what i settled on.
[03:28] <smoser> pubhost has publicly open port X
[03:28] <smoser> user 'toprivhost' exists on pubhost
[03:29] <smoser> toprivhost .ssh/authorized_keys has the external user's public key in it with line like:
[03:29] <smoser> command="ssh ubuntu@privhost ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAAB.... thatuser@theirhost
[03:30] <smoser> command="ssh ubuntu@privhost" ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAAB.... thatuser@theirhost
[03:31] <smoser> i also generated a ssh private/public key as toprivhost@pubhost and put it in .ssh/id_rsa and .ssh/id_rsa.pub
[03:31] <erichammond> to avoid agent forwarding?
[03:31] <smoser> toprivhost@pubhost's public key is copied to ubuntu@privhost:~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[03:32] <smoser> and that .ssh/authorized_keys has a 'host=pubhost' option on the key
[03:32] <smoser> yeah, now we dont need ssh agent forwarding, and its all passwordless.
[03:33] <erichammond> So you trust root users on pubhost with ssh access to that user on privhost, including somebody who gains root illegitimately.
[03:33] <smoser> i suppose, yeah.
[03:34] <smoser> but yo uwoudl do that too with ssh agent forwarding
[03:34] <erichammond> smoser: good point.
[03:35] <erichammond> and, ssh agent forwarding gives the root user access to any other hosts that like my agent.
[03:36] <erichammond> Would be cool if the agent forwarding could be dropped after the second connection was made.
[03:37] <amit> Hello all. Seeking assistance in finding procedure for updating /etc/motd w/o reboot:
[03:37] <amit> distro: ubuntu server 10.04
[03:37] <amit> /etc/motd gets modified to the value of /etc/lsb-release:DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION. But this only takes effect after rebooting (more specifically, I think it's already modified before the reboot, when switching to RUNLEVEL 1).
[03:37] <amit> Can /etc/motd be auto-modified w/o a reboot?
[04:04] <devilinthedetail> can anybody help with setting up a router in exim4?
[10:38] <kobrien> I'm installing 10.04 on a P4 with 2x2Tb SATA drives in RAID 1 config. The install goes fine until it tries to install grub where it fatally fails. Any idea why this'd happen?
[10:52] <twb> kobrien: are the using 4kb blocks or 512b blocks?
[10:52] <kobrien> block size is not specified for RAID 1
[10:52] <kobrien> ( mirror config )
[10:53] <twb> When grub fails, switch to vt4 and see what the error is
[10:53] <twb> kobrien: not block size of the raid, block size of the disks' controllers
[10:54] <twb> kobrien: 2TiB is the largest size that traditional BIOS/MBR systems can address, so some 2TB disks have adopted the new 4kB block, GPT scheme.
[10:54] <twb> kobrien: Grub2 SHOULD handle those just fine, but maybe it's confusing the installer
[10:55] <kobrien> twb: good tip to jump to vt. Not sure of the controllers block size. I'm not using GPT.  It did want to make a grubbios one when I was exploring that menu
[10:57] <kobrien> and I should mirror that partition too
[10:57] <kobrien> ?
[10:57] <twb> I have no idea
[10:57] <twb> I left those the hell alone
[10:58] <twb> GPT is retarded and OpenFirmware should've won, but worse is better :-(
[10:58] <kobrien> heh, ok, well that's plenty info for another attempt at this. thanks
[10:58] <twb> Oh, actually..
[10:58] <kobrien> yes?
[10:59] <twb> It may be that you don't have 4kB blocks, but d-i is helpfully defaulting to that because it's 2TB
[10:59] <twb> I got them to fix it so it would only do that for >=2TiB (1024s) instead of >=2TB (1000s), but that was post-lucid
[11:00] <twb> So if you struggle enough you might be able to manage BIOS+MBR style
[11:00] <kobrien> cool
[11:00] <kobrien> ok, I'll give this a go
[11:01] <twb> If you google for the model and make, it'll tell you if you have 4k or 512 blocks
[11:01] <kobrien> will do
[11:03] <paranoidi> I'm trying to put in binary blob drivers and it would seem to be easiest if I had current kernel headers setup under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build .. which is supposed to be often the case, why is it not on my stock ubuntu server kernel (10.04 - latest kernel)
[11:04] <paranoidi> do I need to install headers package for them to be in there? and which is it called?
[11:06] <twb> paranoidi: you probably want linux-...-headers and/or -source
[11:07] <paranoidi> yeah, just found out I don't have it .. it seems that there are few different kernel variations from each version though ..
[11:08] <paranoidi> generic, preempt, server
[11:09] <paranoidi> maybe the generic I have in now is good enough ..
[11:10] <twb> paranoidi: you want the one that's for the kernel you're running
[11:14] <paranoidi> twb: yeah, I got that .. unsuprisingly the propietary crap does not want to go in as easily .. ;P
[11:16] <twb> I recommed not using it
[11:16] <paranoidi> seems to be only choice ..
[11:17] <twb> Loongsons are pretty open
[11:17] <paranoidi> you lost me
[11:17] <twb> Loongson is a type of CPU
[11:18] <twb> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Loongson
[11:19] <paranoidi> not a motherboard, 16-port sata controller ..
[11:20] <twb> Yes, well
[12:55] <Daviey> zul: Are you looking at doing an ipxe MIR?
[13:20] <sommer> morning all
[13:21] <RoyK> good localtime();
[13:28] <zul> Daviey: no
[13:32] <Daviey> zul: it's a build dep of xen
[13:33] <zul> oh....fu...fudge
[13:34] <Daviey> heh
[13:52] <speakman> receiving netconsole with netcat doesn't make any line breaks. Is it possible to fix?
[13:55] <speakman> sorry, I was listening on syslog data :p
[14:17] <pythonirc101> when i install guest additions on a new ubuntu guest, vbox complains that it cant find kernel headers. But I do have correct kernel headers installed. Anyone has seen this problem with the latest ubuntu-server machines?
[14:20] <patdk-wk> nope
[14:20] <pythonirc101> is anyone using a ubuntu server as a guest virtualbox machine here?
[14:23] <pythonirc101> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/410202
[14:23] <pythonirc101> This is what I'm getting when I install guest additions...please see the complaint on "The headers for the current running kernel were not found..."
[14:27] <RoyK> pythonirc101: there's an ubuntu package for vbox addons
[14:27] <RoyK> should work
[14:27] <RoyK> that is, works for me
[14:27] <pythonirc101> RoyK: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/410204/
[14:27] <pythonirc101> so you install ubuntu vbox guest additions and not the one that comes with vbox? I'm using virtualbox 4.0.8 under the host, and ubuntu-server is installed as  a guest
[14:27] <RoyK> apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
[14:28] <RoyK> apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-utils
[14:28] <RoyK> x11 if using X
[14:28] <RoyK> but for a server, you probably don't
[14:29] <pythonirc101> RoyK: I did install ubuntu-desktop on my server (which is a guest)
[14:29] <RoyK> apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11, then
[14:30] <pythonirc101> is there a way to uninstall guest additions?
[14:30] <RoyK> apt-get remove?
[14:30] <pythonirc101> I installed the guest additions that came with virtualbox 4.0.8
[14:30] <RoyK> if that installer has an uninstaller, yes
[14:30] <pythonirc101> See here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/410204/
[14:31] <RoyK> but Ubuntu obviously can't remove something it hasn't installed
[14:31] <pythonirc101> indeed
[14:33] <pythonirc101> k - found the uninstaller
[14:35] <pythonirc101> the x isnt still working quite right...the login screen is not centered for instance
[14:35] <pythonirc101> + In seamless mode, its display becomes a small screen on the first monitor
[14:36] <pythonirc101> Terminal fonts wont increase in size when i do ctrl+Shift++
[14:36] <pythonirc101> will reboot
[14:36] <pythonirc101> and see
[14:39] <pythonirc101> RoyK: Any other ideas?
[14:56] <Daviey> Ursinha: o/
[14:57] <RoyK> pythonirc101: X and desktop questions aren't topic in here
[14:57] <Ursinha> Daviey: :)
[15:05] <pythonirc101> what is the network gui on ubuntu-server? I want to switch off ip version 6
[15:08] <alamar> pythonirc101: why would you want to switch it off? and there is generally no gui on aserver
[15:08] <alamar> because there is no need for it
[15:08] <alamar> if you can't manage a server in a way you are supposed to, maybe you should arrange for a real admin to do so
[15:08] <RoyK> pythonirc101: normally there isn't a gui on a server
[15:09] <RoyK> !guide
[15:24] <pythonirc101> how do i switch off ipv6 on ubuntu server?
[15:26] <RoyK> pythonirc101: as a first, why?
[15:27] <pythonirc101> RoyK: Because my system - administrator wants me to?
[15:27] <pythonirc101> RoyK: I'm connected to someone else's local network
[15:28] <pythonirc101> My other system is complaning that "System not running to use fully qualified hostnames" "Hostname xx.xxx.com is illegal" -- I think my /etc/hosts is fixed, and have no clue why the other system still complains
[15:30] <RoyK> pythonirc101: http://kurl.no/v280
[15:34] <brianthelion> Anybody want to help me debug my krb5/ldap/autofs/nfs4 stack?
[15:34] <brianthelion> I've got some wedged clients
[15:42] <zertyuio> hello there
[15:42] <zertyuio> what is the default mail server on ubuntu ?
[15:44] <pmatulis> zertyuio: postfix is well regarded
[15:46] <zertyuio> postfix seems too complicate to manage
[15:46] <brianthelion> anybody know where one goes for support on this krb5/nfs4 combo?
[15:46] <zertyuio> just for smtp
[15:48] <pmatulis> !ask | brianthelion
[15:48] <pmatulis> zertyuio: well, you asked
[15:49] <shauno> I've never seen 'just smtp' in the real world.  I think a simple smtpd doesn't exist, because smtp is never simple
[15:50] <zertyuio> let me explain you mail problem
[15:50] <brianthelion> Cool, thanks. My nfs4 clients are wedging when a logged-in user's Kerberos ticket expires. I assume this is not intended behavior.
[15:50] <brianthelion> Everything is on Natty
[15:51] <brianthelion> syslog: "Jun 17 07:44:48 carina kernel: [78074.876438] Error: state manager encountered RPCSEC_GSS session expired against NFSv4 server <IP_ADDRESS>."
[15:52] <zertyuio> i m hosting a cms website on my  personel server, where the form for contact detail working perfectly without since i unistalled postifx , submit form not working
[15:53] <zertyuio> what i have to do ?
[15:54] <brianthelion> I've got a bug report up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/794112
[15:54] <brianthelion> yeah, that's me
[15:55] <brianthelion> Flat response so far, though
[15:56] <pmatulis> brianthelion: maybe try the same on the LTS release for comparison?
[15:58] <brianthelion> good idea, but probably not an option in this case
[16:03] <paranoidi> well this is annoying, I cannot stop ubuntu server with latest kernels to stay in the damn text mode, tried vga=normal, vga=711 (or so), nofb and vga16fb.modeset=0
[16:34] <RoyK> paranoidi: for most installs, personally, I think the framebuffer is unnecessary and may lead to more problems than it fixes
[16:34] <paranoidi> RoyK: I agree, but I cannot seem to get rid of it ..
[16:35] <RoyK> paranoidi: try vga=normal nomodeset
[16:35] <RoyK> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[16:38] <paranoidi> I'll try it, maybe, seems that I need to rescue old kernel from old drive anyway since I cannot get my sata card to work with current ones
[16:40] <RoyK> paranoidi: very often, new cards have the same chipset, but new PCI IDs
[16:40] <RoyK> on which version are you?
[16:42] <paranoidi> RoyK: trying to get same crappy card work (RocketRaid 2340)
[16:42] <paranoidi> I don't think linux has any built in support for it
[16:45] <paranoidi> it might go in if I was skilled enough to tweak the opensource adaptation layer between kernel and binary driver of the card
[16:45] <RoyK> paranoidi: use lspci and then lspci -vn to find its PCI ID
[16:47] <paranoidi> which part is PCI ID?
[16:48] <RoyK> erm
[16:48] <paranoidi> 06:04.0 0100: 1103:2340 (rev 09) Subsystem: 11ab:11ab
[16:48] <paranoidi> would be my guess
[16:49] <RoyK> seems the producer apparently released a driver in source, so it is, or was, possible to compile that manually
[16:50] <RoyK> but since it never made it into kernel, the chances are prominent that the code sucked, and that it won't be compatible with current kernel versions
[16:51] <paranoidi> RoyK: I don't thinkt here is full sources of the driver, it's just binary blob with opensource wrapper
[16:52] <paranoidi> anyway, i tried to compile it for latest kernels and it seemed to work fine .. but when loading it just stalls
[16:52] <RoyK> that sucks even more :P
[16:52] <RoyK> get a new controller, then
[16:53] <paranoidi> new one costs at least $500 ..
[16:53] <RoyK> paranoidi: you get pretty cool controllers for even $100 on ebay
[16:53] <paranoidi> 16 ports ...
[16:53] <RoyK> do you need 16 physical ports? why not a sas expander?
[16:54] <paranoidi> that might work, but those cost pretty much too .. and severely cut bandwidth?
[16:55] <RoyK> with 6Gbps SAS, there'll be quite sufficient of bandwidth, especially for slow spinning drives
[16:55] <paranoidi> it probably works only in 3Gbps mode with sata 2 drives
[16:55] <RoyK> or two of htese http://cgi.ebay.com/LSI-SAS3081E-R-8-Port-3Gb-s-SAS-RAID-Controller-/270765091146?pt=COMP_EN_Networking_Components&hash=item3f0adb694a
[16:56] <RoyK> s/htese/these/
[16:56] <paranoidi> that's actually pretty cheap
[16:56] <RoyK> yep
[16:57] <RoyK> and it's a good card
[16:57] <RoyK> I have a few of those in OpenIndiana machines
[16:57] <paranoidi> although I would have to find new display card since it would use 2 slots compared to one
[16:57]  * RoyK prefers ZFS for storage
[16:57] <RoyK> paranoidi: I thought this was a server...?
[16:57] <paranoidi> yes, but at home :)
[16:58] <RoyK> still, a badass graphics card in a - server?
[16:58] <paranoidi> no, but I need some output since motherboard has none
[16:58] <paranoidi> dunno if I have any PCI cards laying around, anyway, not a huge problem
[16:58] <paranoidi> I was actually looking 16 port version from LSI earlier
[16:59] <paranoidi> LSI Logic SAS 9201-16i .. any word on that?
[16:59] <RoyK> very good
[16:59] <RoyK> 6Gbps SAS
[17:00] <RoyK> I have a few of those as well
[17:00] <paranoidi> I could get that in some decent price from here (well, ~470$ still)
[17:00] <paranoidi> RoyK: it's supported with kernel without any problems whatsoever?
[17:01] <RoyK> if on a budget, and if bandwidth isn't too important, this one is very stable http://cgi.ebay.com/Supermicro-8-Channel-Pcix-Sata-Adapter-Aoc-Sat2-Mv8-/270765097465?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0adb81f9
[17:01] <RoyK> paranoidi: I haven't tried it on linux
[17:01] <paranoidi> I couldn't find verification if that card is supported on linux out of the box or not
[17:05] <RoyK> paranoidi: You'll have to check - I haven't tried
[17:05] <RoyK> paranoidi: using software RAID on linux for the storage?
[17:06] <RoyK> if you haven't installed it yet, then I'd recommend looking at openindiana / ZFS
[17:07] <paranoidi> software raid
[17:08] <paranoidi> last time I checked ZFS couldn't be grown like software raid
[17:08] <RoyK> it's not as flexible as linux software raid is, no
[17:08] <RoyK> you can add VDEVs to ZFS
[17:08] <RoyK> or you can replace drives with bigger ones
[17:08] <RoyK> and when all drives in a VDEV are replaced, it'll grow (given you've set autoexpand=yes)
[17:09] <RoyK> but you can't add drives to a RAIDz VDEV
[17:09] <paranoidi> right, and I start my packs with few drives and then expand as needed
[17:09] <RoyK> ic
[17:09]  * RoyK just setup a server like that for his brother - two drives in RAID-5
[17:10] <RoyK> paranoidi: but then, do you really need 16 ports already?
[17:10] <paranoidi> no, but there's room for growth :D
[17:10] <RoyK> just get an 8-port controller now, and get something bigger when you need it :P
[17:11] <paranoidi> but I have already more than 8 .. and I don't like to fiddle with the hardware too much
[17:11] <RoyK> kk
[17:11] <RoyK> >8 with data?
[17:12] <RoyK> how big are these, btw?
[17:12] <paranoidi> 8x1TB and 3x2TB
[17:12] <RoyK> k
[17:12] <paranoidi> if everything else fails I can ressurrect at least the 8 disk pack with some motherboard ports and old PCI sata card
[17:17] <patdk-wk> heh
[17:17] <paranoidi> let's hope the old 2.6.31-14 copied from old drive works properly ..
[17:17] <patdk-wk> I just went with 16 ports :)
[17:17] <patdk-wk> and a 4 port controller
[17:18] <patdk-wk> I'm hoping I like channel bonded sas
[17:18] <paranoidi> patdk-wk: what kind of write/read speeds are you getting?
[17:18] <paranoidi> if you're using them in raid
[17:18] <patdk-wk> I haven't received it yet
[17:18] <RoyK> patdk-wk: which controller?
[17:19] <patdk-wk> an lsi 8port
[17:19] <RoyK> 9201 or 6801?
[17:19] <patdk-wk> sas2 one
[17:20] <RoyK> 9201, then
[17:22] <pythonirc101> I'm trying to setup a static ip box - ubuntu-server - for some reason, when i restart the box, i still get the dhcp ip, any ideas on how to fix this?
[17:22] <RoyK> heh - http://linuxhcl.com/browse/search?offset=0&category=12 <-- doesn't even list LSI
[17:22] <pythonirc101> I edited the / /etc/network/interfaces /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf
[17:22] <pythonirc101> changed the hostname
[17:22] <pythonirc101> any other things i need to do?
[17:22] <pythonirc101> if config still says my old dhcp ip
[17:23] <patdk-wk> looks like 6261
[17:23] <patdk-wk> 9261 I mean
[17:24] <patdk-wk> paranoidi, it will only give me about 1100MB/sec
[17:24] <patdk-wk> but insane iops
[17:24] <paranoidi> I highly doubt that is the performance when writing to a file
[17:25] <patdk-wk> why not?
[17:25] <RoyK> patdk-wk: because the drives will be slow
[17:26] <paranoidi> Ì get about 100MB/s at tops with software raid-6
[17:26] <patdk-wk> they better be able to handle that
[17:26] <paranoidi> 70MB/s over samba
[17:26] <patdk-wk> using what drives?
[17:26] <RoyK> seems the LSI drivers are available as a download
[17:26] <RoyK> binaries and source
[17:27] <paranoidi> hahaa, so same crap as with my rocketraid
[17:27] <paranoidi> well, except they might actually release updates
[17:27] <paranoidi> and with some luck the kernel would support it
[17:27] <patdk-wk> only ever needed to download the binaries for userspace management of the raid
[17:27] <RoyK> paranoidi: not really, it's opensource drivers AFAICS
[17:28] <RoyK> GPLed
[17:28] <paranoidi> anyway, time to boot and see what happens with the old kernel I glued back into ...
[17:28] <patdk-wk> 16 10krpm 2.5" sas2 drives
[17:29] <patdk-wk> the thing should scream
[17:29] <patdk-wk> not as much as the 50 drive array of the same drives I have, but enough
[17:29] <RoyK> patdk-wk: database system?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> mainly database
[17:30] <RoyK> striped mirrors, then?
[17:30] <patdk-wk> ya raid10
[17:30] <patdk-wk> I just can't find myself ever doing raid6
[17:30] <RoyK> patdk-wk: depends what you need...
[17:31] <RoyK> but raid6 for databases isn't quite optimal
[17:37] <patdk-wk> hmm, drives substain 170MB/sec, so about 1400MB/s max, if the sas bus could handle that much
[17:38] <brianthelion> Anybody know who on the Security Team is handling krb5/nfs4 integration?
[17:48] <SpamapS> jamespage: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630822
[17:48] <bens> Need to setup blocking of social media and junk for my office. gateway is ubuntu server/iptables.  IPcop had a great squid interface with a big database of known site groups.  Any similar canned solultions available to Ubuntu?
[17:49] <jamespage> SpamapS: hmm - that was coming TBH
[17:50] <jamespage> So are you up for the challenge of helping maintain it?
[17:52] <calzifer> hi, i need help installing mysql, because it always fails and there is no existing account http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6616/screenshot1706.jpg
[17:54] <SpamapS> jamespage: definitely
[17:54] <SpamapS> jamespage: I think Thomas is being over zealous, and zookeeper is quite stable.
[17:55] <jamespage> SpamapS: agreed - so how do we go about adopting the package? respond to the bug above?
[17:58] <SpamapS> jamespage: I'm looking into it, but basically yes.
[18:00] <jamespage> great - lemme know if i need todo anything
[18:02] <SpamapS> jamespage: if you could mention our interest to the debian-java team ASAP, that would be good
[18:04] <paranoidi> didn't work with the old kernel .. gave some weird communication error which I think I already saw once. That raised few alarm bells as I did take whole machine appart. So I took the card out and cleaned all contacts and put it into other card slot. Works now!
[18:04] <paranoidi> pretty weird, thought to come back and report :)
[18:06] <paranoidi> hard to say which was the reason, but it wasn't likely software
[19:05] <maccam94> is it possible for apt-cache/apt-cache-ng to cache package lists, rather than just packages?
[19:20] <zul> SpamapS: ping have you gotten anywhere with mysql 5.5 in debian?
[19:20] <SpamapS> zul: nowhere. :(
[19:21] <zul> SpamapS: bugger..
[19:21] <SpamapS> zul: I'll turn up the volume a bit for Norbert. I'm also going to see if he'll be my DD advocate. At this point that is all I need.
[19:22] <zul> SpamapS:  k i think we are going to have merge mysql 5.1 until we 5.5 in debian or we do it in ubuntu
[19:23]  * zul starts to get annoyed
[19:23] <SpamapS> zul: is there a pressing reason?
[19:23] <zul> SpamapS: no just getting annoyed :)
[19:25] <SpamapS> zul: agreed, but I think we can make this happen well before Debian Import Freeze
[19:40] <h4lfl1ng> Hello All!
[19:41] <h4lfl1ng> What's with sudo /etc/init.d/networking start not working in 10.04?
[19:42] <h4lfl1ng> I also tried the alternative "sudo start networking" or "sudo service start networking" (not sure if that last one was the exact one i used..lol)
[19:44] <ChmEarl> xen: are there any plans to package a kernel-3.0-0 that has xen config options =y? so dom0 works?
[19:45] <ChmEarl> it works now if about 10 xen modules get loaded at startup
[19:46] <ChmEarl> on 11.10 xen 4.1.1 (built on natty) works with linux-image-server 3.0-0
[20:54] <calzifer> hi, i need help installing mysql, because it always fails and there is no existing account http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6616/screenshot1706.jpg
[21:27] <guntbert> calzifer: did you try to connect to mysql?
[21:38] <calzifer> guntbert: yes, but it fails with a ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server though socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)
[21:38] <calzifer> but i deffenitly started mysql, i tried it when its stopped too, but same problem
[21:40] <guntbert> calzifer: well I never had those problems - lets start from the beginning: what ubuntu version? how did you install mysql?
[21:40] <calzifer> 10.04 LTS
[21:40] <calzifer> aptitude install mysql-server
[21:42] <calzifer> i already tried to remove and purge mysql and to reinstall, but it always fails after the root password setup for mysql with the above screenshot
[21:42] <guntbert> calzifer: hmm (just fishing around...): does mysql start at all ? look into /var/log/mysql/...
[21:42] <calzifer> it tries to start
[21:42] <guntbert> reinstalling usually doesn't help under linux
[21:42] <calzifer> hm, ok
[21:45] <guntbert> calzifer: it tries? what do the logs say? there should be an error message...
[21:47] <calzifer> guntbert: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/413974/
[21:48] <guntbert> calzifer: ouch - I admit: no idea what is going on, sorry
[21:48] <calzifer> ok, no but thanks for you help
[21:48] <calzifer> do you know where i could try it too?
[21:49] <guntbert> calzifer: try #mysql ?
[21:49] <calzifer> ok
[21:51] <calzifer> maybe i should use postgresql ...
[21:56] <adam_g> has anyone been using glance on oneiric?
[21:58] <soren> adam_g: Sort of.
[22:01] <adam_g> soren: any luck? running into an issue where all is well except images stored in the local file store are of zero-length.
[22:05] <soren> adam_g: I haven't seen that.
[22:11] <soren> adam_g: You're very welcome to come chat about it in #openstack.
[22:13] <adam_g> soren: thanks, i have. figured i wuld check here as well.
[22:18] <adam_g> hm, tested exact nova+glance configuration on natty and works fine.
[22:24] <zleslie> Hi
[22:25] <RoyK> zzzz
[22:26] <zleslie> I am trying to get reprepro to talk to gpg agent and having trouble.
[22:26] <zleslie> Anyone know something about setting up apt repos?
[22:34] <jMCg> zleslie: the wiki does.
[22:35] <jMCg> s/.*//
[22:35] <jMCg> Ignore me.
[22:42] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ping?
[23:53] <h4lfl1ng> What's the best way to start the networking daemon?
[23:53] <h4lfl1ng> in 10.04
[23:54] <h4lfl1ng> Because I heard that it's easy to corrupt the config files, is that true?


[12:54] <corba> can anyone help me diagnose a wine energyXT issue?
[12:55] <corba> really a wine jack issue


[08:46] <pef> morning
[03:57] <lamont-away> where does one file kubuntu bugs these days, I wonder
[03:58] <lamont-away> looks like bz still is love
[04:02] <lamont-away> #14558, if there happens to be a kdelibs upload between now and release.
[04:13] <apokryphos> is there a 3.5 alpha repo, then?
[06:53] <Riddell> lamont-away: so kdelibs needs to be build with gcc 3.4 then?
[06:53] <Riddell> apokryphos: there's no 3.5 repo
[06:54] <apokryphos> Riddell: ok, so just being built
[06:54] <apokryphos> seems a shame since beta is coming out soon ;-)
[07:04] <pef> bye !
[07:11] <jpatrick> soon


[12:09] <gsamfira> Hello folks. Couple of questions.
[12:09] <gsamfira> any chance we can get win2019 tools in simplestreams for the latest juju release?
[12:10] <gsamfira> and the other question is: How would I go about updating the documentation for the manual provider to include Windows?
[12:26] <rick_h> gsamfira:  second one is easy, the docs are in the discourse "Docs" category and can leave comments on there that are picked up and such.
[12:26] <rick_h> gsamfira:  first one will have to look into.
[12:27] <gsamfira> rick_h: great! Will look in discourse. Need to send a few PRs before I update the docs. A few small fixes to the manual provider.
[12:28] <gsamfira> rick_h: for the second one, we built the tools locally, so not a huge blocker, but would rather use the ones in simplestreams.
[12:31] <rick_h> gsamfira:  yea totally. We're a bit understaffed today with the holiday but will look into it.
[12:31] <gsamfira> rick_h: no rush at all. Whenever you get around to it. Thanks for the info!
[22:54] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: bug 1790185 was from 2018, but i think we're still lacking zone constraint support?
[22:54] <mup> Bug #1790185: There is no way of specifiying on which cluster charm should be deployed vSphere <cpe-onsite> <vsphere-provider> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1790185>
[22:54] <wallyworld> could they use resource-groups?
[22:57] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: actually, there's discussion in #juju
[22:58] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok looking
[23:43] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: any chance of a review on a small PR to merge 2.7 into devel? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11434
[23:46] <kelvinliu> looking
[23:54] <kelvinliu> looking good to me if the ignore leader check change for upgrade-charm is an expected change wallyworld
[23:55] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: yeah, added it as a driveby
[23:55] <wallyworld> it was a bug in 2.8
[23:55] <kelvinliu> ic
[23:55] <wallyworld> it caused those leadership errors when upgrading
[23:55] <kelvinliu> ah right


[06:24] <konsatntin> hi all
[06:24] <konsatntin> i have a little problem
[06:24] <konsatntin> i'm trying to install mobilin into virtualbox
[06:25] <konsatntin> and i have this message when mobilin booting from live cd
[06:25] <konsatntin> /etc/rc5.d/s99sreadahead-pack: line 6: 714 Illegal instruction mv readahead.packed /etc/readahead.racked
[06:25] <konsatntin> any ideas ?
[08:48] <lool> konsatntin: Which moblin is this?
[08:48] <konsatntin> latest (august) version
[08:49] <lool> konsatntin: That's not from us
[08:49] <lool> konsatntin: Ask the people you got it from
[08:49] <lool> It's because virtualbox is not emulating what they expect
[08:50] <konsatntin> ok then another question. could i run ubuntu mid into virtualbox ?
[08:52] <lool> Yes
[08:52] <lool> You can even run Ubuntu Moblin Remix in virtualbox which is based on Moblin
[08:52] <lool> but it's not really ready for you to try out; it's not starting up properly
[08:54] <konsatntin> ok i'll start from mid release =)
[11:38] <lool> davidbarth: Hey!
[11:52] <lool> njpatel:  Did you make progress on the translations issue with David?
[11:53] <njpatel> lool: nope, I asked him some questions on the bug regarding the lack of a netbook-launcher.mo, but haven't heard anything back
[11:53] <njpatel> lool: I'm still working on the bug, so hopefully some resolution soon
[11:54] <lool> njpatel: What about the gnome-menus part?
[11:55] <njpatel> lool: that's what I'm working on
[11:55] <lool> Ok
[11:55] <njpatel> lool: if I compile netbook-launcher on my desktop, it works fine. If i use the launcher installed from archives, it doesn't. I'm still trying to track down what's changed
[11:58] <lool> njpatel: Does it have any reference to the gnome-menus mo dir?
[11:59] <njpatel> lool: well, liblauncher is the part that deals with gnome-menus, so I'm wondering if the issue is in there
[11:59] <njpatel> lool: i'm trying to track it down, I bet it's something really silly (hopefully)
[12:01] <lool> njpatel: What I found sometimes help is running strings on the binary to see which dirs it has for locales
[12:01] <njpatel> lool: good idea
[12:01] <lool> njpatel: e.g. strings =gnome-panel |grep locale
[12:02] <lool> libnetbook-launcher doesn't have any
[12:03] <lool> netbook-launcher has /usr/share/locale
[12:57] <lool> njpatel: I tried using langsel to switch to french and it semi worked for me
[12:57] <lool> njpatel: I got to see Navigateur Web Firefox in the apps list
[12:58] <lool> "Gestionnaire de photos f-spot"
[12:58] <njpatel> lool: right, that only works for desktop files whose translations are still in the .desktop file afaik
[12:58] <lool> Oh ok
[12:58] <njpatel> lool: we really need to figure out what's going on with the .mo files that the launcher produces. They are being stripped but not being made part of the langpack for some reason
[12:59] <lool> njpatel: You need to use a specific glib API to benefit of langpacks IIRC
[12:59] <njpatel> lool: fixing that will fix both the netbook-launcher translations (strings specific to netbook-launcher) and the menu translations
[12:59] <njpatel> lool: that's already covered by the fact that we just use gnome-menus
[12:59] <lool> glib patch is 01_gettext-desktopfiles.patch:
[12:59] <lool> Oh right
[13:00] <njpatel> lool: seriously, it's just the netbook-launcher.mo for the different languages thats the issue
[13:00] <njpatel> lool: it could just be a packaging bug
[13:00] <lool> njpatel: So gnome-menus isn't an issue anymore?
[13:01] <njpatel> lool: nope, it never was. The issue is that, because netbook-launcher.mo doesn't exist for the installed languages, bindlocaledomain screws up the rest of the translations happening in the launcher.
[13:02] <njpatel> lool: looking at the packaging of the launcher in karmic, it seems that /usr/share/locale/* is in netbook-launcher.install, so they are definitely part of the package when it's built. The issue must be when the package is stripped then
[13:05] <lool> Sorry phone call now
[13:05] <njpatel> np
[13:06] <njpatel> i just rebuilt netbook-launcher and the package contained the translations, so it's definitely the stripping of the translations that's causing it
[13:45] <lool> njpatel: Oh good catch
[13:45] <lool> njpatel: didn't think lack of netbook-launcher.mo would affect gnome-menus trasnlations
[13:45] <lool> njpatel: So we really need to look into this langpack issue now
[14:05] <njpatel> lool: it seems that, if you send the wrong domain information to bindlocaledomain or if that domain isn't available, it messes up the fallbacks too
[14:11] <lool> njpatel: I killall-ed netbook-launcher and it didn't come back; shouldn't it be autorespawned?
[14:11] <njpatel> lool: hmm, it isn't at the moment...maybe it should
[14:11] <njpatel> lool: can you file a bug and I'll take a look next week
[14:12] <lool> Sure
[14:13] <lool> done
[14:54] <davidbarth> lool: where's the status page you'd like me to update? btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus#Netbook%20%28UNR%29
[14:57] <lool> davidbarth: I usually prepare it on Friday morning but am late today
[14:57] <lool> davidbarth: I pushed the new netbook-launcher though
[14:58] <lool> davidbarth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic is usually ours will ping you when ready
[15:32] <lool> davidbarth: I'm done
[15:41] <lool> davidbarth: Your report looks good thanks


[15:20] <user65419> Will the windows version of bzr pull the username automatically from the environment if author info is not configured?


[00:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3741 opened: parts: handle app adapter and command chain <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3741>


[15:01] <jaustinpage> hi
[15:01] <ajray> hi
[15:08] <ajray> wheres loudbot
[15:24] <billf> Triangle Area Ubuntu Global Jam team is now online
[15:26] <ajray> XMUNAD\
[15:48]  * Nivex waves
[15:56]  * billf takes a photo
[16:31] <billf> why is glade (quickly gui desgner) so difficult to use ?
[16:32] <Nivex> because GUI design is a pain in the butt?
[17:15] <paultag> mhall119: what are you doing up here?
[17:15] <jdriselvato> >.>
[17:15] <paultag> you should be in flordia
[17:15] <paultag> erm, florida
[17:16]  * paultag waves to holstein, akgraner, jdriselvato
[17:16] <paultag> How's the Jam?
[17:17] <BugeyeD> needs more sugar. or truvia, your pick.
[17:17] <paultag> BugeyeD: :)
[17:17] <jdriselvato> We haven't fixed a bug yet. Just communicating.
[17:18] <paultag> you don't have to fix anything - breaking stuff is just as useful :)
[17:18] <jdriselvato> whats wrong with flux paultag?
[17:18] <paultag> jdriselvato: nothing :)
[17:18] <paultag> jdriselvato: why do you ask?
[17:18]  * BugeyeD has been trying to unbreak his car all morning. not feeling very useful.
[17:19] <paultag> BugeyeD: :(
[17:19] <jdriselvato> Nothing just that you said you had fluxbox work
[17:19] <paultag> jdriselvato: Oh yeah, I'm adding in some XDG Autostarting, and I've been meaning to rewrite the parser using a stateful model
[17:20] <paultag> but that's not mainlined yet, I'm not happy with it
[17:20] <paultag> it's parsing comments super well right now!! :)
[17:21] <jdriselvato> Ah. Oh i showed a co-worker that Endian C code yesterday. Took him 30 minutes with a little hints from me.  I have 3 more of yours. I need to get back to figure those out.
[17:22] <paultag> :)
[17:33] <mhall119> paultag: I'm always here
[17:33] <paultag> mhall119: why? :)
[17:33] <mhall119> same reason as you
[17:33] <paultag> mhall119: I came over to find someone @ the jam to embarass jdriselvato
[17:33] <paultag> mhall119: I did not know you knew jdriselvato
[17:33] <paultag> mhall119: small world
[17:33] <jdriselvato> Why paultag ....
[17:35] <paultag> jdriselvato: this is how I have my fun
[17:36] <paultag> .. duh?
[17:36] <jdriselvato> paultag: one day i'll do that same thing to you. but instead of people knowing me, i'll make you look like a fool because no one would. :D
[17:37] <paultag> jdriselvato: please do :)
[17:37] <jdriselvato> Well i need to switch to ubuntu i'll be back in 5
[17:37] <paultag> kk
[17:47] <mhall119> paultag: ok, so maybe not the same reason
[17:48] <paultag> mhall119: thought so :)
[17:55] <paultag> mhall119: do you know C++?
[19:31] <mhall119> paultag: in theory I do
[19:32] <paultag> mhall119: could you do a theoretical review of some code after it's warm and gooey? All my peer fluxers are on vacation (literally, all of them)
[19:34] <mhall119> is it beginner's C++, or advanced super-hacker stuff?
[19:35] <paultag> mhall119: it's on the simple end of advanced-ish. Nothing too crazy
[19:36] <mhall119> I'll be happy to take a look, but if I don't feel comfortable I'll let you know
[19:36] <paultag> mhall119: sure, thanks :)
[19:36] <paultag> mhall119: I just need to make sure I'm avoiding stupid things
[19:44] <mhall119> well it's C++, so....
[19:45] <paultag> mhall119: I can't assume the user has python installed
[19:45] <paultag> or perl
[19:45] <paultag> which would be the only clean-er solutions
[19:46] <jdriselvato> paultag: perl vs python?
[19:47] <paultag> jdriselvato: they're different tools :)
[19:48] <jdriselvato> Alright. Perl vs Python for system administrating....
[19:49] <jdriselvato> What is so different?
[19:49] <holstein> paultag: ?
[19:49] <holstein> are you in NC?
[19:50] <paultag> holstein: no, sorry. I came here to get akgraner to pick jdriselvato out of the crowd and make him stand up or something
[19:50] <paultag> holstein: and kinda got carried away with everyone
[19:50] <paultag> holstein: but hi :)
[19:50] <jdriselvato> Perl and python can both do web-dev, perl and python can both do great system administrating scripts.
[19:51] <holstein> paultag: hehe
[19:51] <jdriselvato> What can perl/python do that the other can't?
[19:51] <paultag> jdriselvato: perl is much better with handling text, python is easier to maintain and extend
[19:52] <jdriselvato> So just depends on what the situation is. Like all languages paultag
[19:52] <paultag> always. They each have their place
[19:53] <mhall119> jdriselvato: python is a clean and concise language that lets you do things with relative ease.  Perl is a pseudo-random string of character that does magic
[19:54] <mhall119> they had an obfuscated Perl contest once, but everybody won
[19:54] <mhall119> so the next year they held an obfuscated python contest, and everybody lost
[19:54] <paultag> mhall119: when you program in perl, everyone looses
[19:54] <jdriselvato> mhall119: I guess, but from my experience i started off a python programmer and just got into perl. Which i am finding perl a much more attractive language to use for system administrating.
[19:55] <mhall119> yeah, it's like nuclear war, nobody wins, but it's amazing to watch
[19:55] <mhall119> and you have this guilty desire to give it a try sometimes
[19:56] <paultag> like all things bad for you
[19:56] <paultag> or taboo
[19:56] <jdriselvato> Is perl really that looked down upon?
[19:57] <paultag> no, not at all
[19:57] <paultag> we're just joking because mhall119 and I are both huge pythonists
[19:58] <jdriselvato> mhall119: you should join the syn then.
[19:58] <jdriselvato> syn project*
[19:58]  * paultag sits and watches
[19:59]  * jdriselvato thinks paultag is hoping.
[19:59] <mhall119> I'm actually a pretty big perl guy too
[19:59] <mhall119> perl was my first love
[19:59] <jdriselvato> BETRAYAL!
[19:59] <paultag> 19:58 < jdriselvato> mhall119: you should join the syn then.
[20:00] <paultag> mhall119: ^ the man asked you a question :)
[20:00] <mhall119> I still love it, it's my guilty pleasure, but you don't exactly take perl home to meet your mom and dad
[20:00] <mhall119> paultag: technically that's a statement
[20:00] <paultag> mhall119: sounds like every girl I've ever dated ever
[20:00] <paultag> mhall119: shove off :)
[20:00] <paultag> jdriselvato: it's funny because mhall119 and I talk about syn all the time :)
[20:00] <paultag> jdriselvato: I was hoping mhall119 would be snarky and turdish about it like he usually is
[20:01] <mhall119> paultag: if I could $hours_in_the_day++ I'd love to join syn
[20:01] <paultag> mhall119: we're in a mini-freeze atm anyway right now
[20:01] <paultag> mhall119: but thanks :)
[20:01] <jdriselvato> paultag: why is there a freeze?
[20:02] <mhall119> I really should do more C/C++, I've only ever done it for school and a very small program when I was a kid
[20:02] <paultag> jdriselvato: We're packaging the base - I have 64 packages built now, and I'm ironing out issues, it's hard to isolate package problems when the package manager's changing
[20:02] <mhall119> jdriselvato: gotta stabalize it, otherwise the userbase will get mad and switch to Arch
[20:02] <paultag> jdriselvato: syn's 80%ish feature complete
[20:02] <paultag> mhall119: SCREW THIS, I"M GOING TO ARCH
[20:03] <mhall119> paultag: you should make an alien-like script to automatically convert debian packages to syn packages, then set it to run against the debian archives
[20:03] <mhall119> in perl
[20:03] <paultag> mhall119: I actually already did
[20:03] <mhall119> I should have known
[20:03] <paultag> mhall119: but the dependencies cause issues, and esp since I don't have multi-binary
[20:03] <jdriselvato> in perl lmao
[20:03] <paultag> mhall119: but they're close enough where we can share most patches
[20:04] <mhall119> paultag: can you find a way to make packaging nested python libraries work?
[20:04] <jdriselvato> paultag: why don't you do issue 8 already?
[20:04] <paultag> mhall119: it works already - Syn does that
[20:04] <paultag> mhall119: so it's good :)
[20:04] <paultag> jdriselvato: it's noncritical, and I'm leaving it for you or someone like you to learn the process
[20:04] <mhall119> paultag: no barfing on __init__.py existing in a parent directory?
[20:05] <paultag> mhall119: nopers
[20:05] <mhall119> awesome, what was your solution?
[20:05] <paultag> mhall119: it handles it great, because Syn uses that for it's plumbing and policy sub modules
[20:05] <paultag> mhall119: let setup.py handle it ;)
[20:05] <paultag> mhall119: works great. Just have to add it as a second package manually
[20:05] <paultag> but that's not in Syn land, only upstream
[20:05] <jdriselvato> paultag: I want to but i still don't understand one how to run, test.. uhh. eat syn. Plus i still don't understand the json matching.
[20:05] <paultag> mhall119: I'm becoming minimal in my old age
[20:06] <paultag> jdriselvato: I wrote dosc
[20:06] <paultag> docs
[20:06] <jdriselvato> paultag: is what 26?
[20:06] <paultag> jdriselvato: http://docs.syn.pault.ag/syn-policy.html
[20:06] <paultag> jdriselvato: 22
[20:06] <mhall119> so I have have one package that's in mhall.projects.foo and another that's in mhall.projects.bar and it'll be happy with /usr/share/pyshared/mhall/__init__.py and mhall/projects/__init__.py?
[20:06] <paultag> mhall119: yeppers
[20:06] <mhall119> awesome
[20:06] <jdriselvato> paultag: 22?
[20:06] <paultag> mhall119: that's how syn does it's stuff internally
[20:06] <paultag> jdriselvato: yeah
[20:06] <jdriselvato> 2.2?
[20:06] <mhall119> if nothing else, I hope Debian steals that from you
[20:07] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[20:07] <jdriselvato> oh age
[20:07] <paultag> yar
[20:07] <jdriselvato> i thought you meant the syn-policy number
[20:07] <paultag> oh no, nope
[20:07] <paultag> we're at syn policy 1 still
[20:07] <paultag> syn2 has policy rev 6ish I think
[20:07] <paultag> but we're past that
[20:09] <jdriselvato> Just got quickly installed. Is there any programming in this or its gui?
[20:09] <paultag> mhall119: P.S. did you know glibc and linux both ship scsi/scsi.h ?
[20:09] <paultag> mhall119: and they're different
[20:09] <mhall119> heh
[20:09] <paultag> which to choose?!
[20:09] <paultag> the one for the kernel, or the c library
[20:09] <mhall119> who needs scsi anyway
[20:09] <paultag> jdriselvato: no clue, I've never used it. Poke Bacon-meister
[20:10] <paultag> mhall119: yar, right?
[20:10] <paultag> mhall119: but they have different struct defs, and they ftbfs
[20:10] <mhall119> ftbfs?
[20:10] <paultag> someone needs to shoot the glibc guys, they're so krufty
[20:10] <paultag> mhall119: failure to build from source - it's an ubuntu / debian term
[20:10] <mhall119> why does the c library have driver code anyway?
[20:10] <paultag> mhall119: no goddamn clue
[20:13] <jdriselvato> paultag: want to join our gobby?
[20:13] <paultag> jdriselvato: sorry not atm :(
[20:14] <jdriselvato> Still fluxing?
[20:14] <paultag> jdriselvato: I'm working on flux stuff, trying to do it before EOD so I can have mhall119 read through it
[20:14] <paultag> and then push it up to git.fb for the nightly testing by the masses
[20:14] <jdriselvato> Suhweet. Mass testing.
[20:16] <paultag> jdriselvato: yar :)
[20:16] <paultag> jdriselvato: the guys who run the nightly ppa rule
[20:17] <paultag> my server runs the builds at 00:00 UTC
[20:19] <jdriselvato> how many servers do you have at home
[20:19] <paultag> jdriselvato: none
[20:19] <jdriselvato> vm?
[20:21] <paultag> jdriselvato: three
[20:21] <paultag> jdriselvato: one's co-located in CO, USA
[20:21] <jdriselvato> Fun.
[20:21] <paultag> jdriselvato: and two are Linodes in NJ, USA
[20:21] <paultag> and they're VPSs, not VMs
[20:21] <jdriselvato> ah for your sites i am guessing for one.
[20:22] <paultag> jdriselvato: they all have their uses :)
[20:24] <paultag> mhall119: I have the basics up - http://git.pault.ag/?a=tree&p=xdg-state-parser&h=42078486070e7104ee92dcc6ee30e1d599afd746&hb=29d8578b109b096755a92b0c9c2b4cf3539b5b59
[20:24] <paultag> mhall119: it's not done and it's not implemented, but it's close and it does what it says it does so far
[20:27] <paultag> mhall119: sorry, no docs, no comments, no really solid anything. If you want to wait, I understand :)
[20:28] <paultag> it's not even a good impl in main yet
[20:28] <paultag> or in the parsing machine either, that throw -10 or whatever is a goddamn kludge
[20:35] <jdriselvato> paultag: gobby is sweet. Why don't we ever use it with syn.
[20:37] <paultag> jdriselvato: never cared to :)
[20:38] <jdriselvato> quickly uses python as its language along with its gui. :D
[20:41] <mhall119> paultag: is this all new code?
[20:42] <paultag> mhall119: yes
[20:42] <mhall119> okay, this is likely gonna be 90% over my head
[20:43] <mhall119> just warning you
[20:43] <paultag> mhall119: alright. If you still want to do it, you can just hack it up, but if you don't it can wait a few days
[20:44] <mhall119> is "Crapola file" a standard error message?
[20:44] <paultag> mhall119: erm, depends on who's standard :)
[20:44] <paultag> mhall119: but yeah, that'll be changed to something better once main turns into the app and not just a test block
[20:46] <mhall119> ok, I've gotta ask, isn't there already an xdg lib that does this?
[20:46] <paultag> mhall119: yes, but for some stupid reason it depends on like 50% of GNOME
[20:46] <paultag> mhall119: and we can't do that if we're in flux land, the binary needs to be as dep-free as we can get it
[20:47] <paultag> mhall119: there is a dep free python lib, but we need everything in C
[20:47] <paultag> erm ++
[20:47] <mhall119> :/
[20:47] <mhall119> do the gnome-do.desktop is just for testing I assume?
[20:47] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, sorry :)
[20:48] <mhall119> is 'ja' True in C++?
[20:49] <mhall119> or just in paul++
[20:49] <paultag> mhall119: #define ja 1
[20:49] <jdriselvato> mhall119: paul++
[20:49] <jdriselvato> Nice.
[20:50] <mhall119> ok, this is cool stuff, but I don't know enough A) XDG file spec of B) C++
[20:50] <mhall119> sorry, but you're gonna have to wait for someone better at this than me to review
[20:51] <paultag> mhall119: there's no XDG impl yet
[20:51] <paultag> mhall119: but yeah, totally
[20:51] <paultag> mhall119: no problem at all
[20:51] <paultag> mhall119: thanks for looking :)
[20:51] <jdriselvato> paultag: i'll look at it too and then complain about how i dont understand.
[20:52] <paultag> jdriselvato: it's git cloneable
[20:52] <paultag> git://pault.ag/xdg-pars....*.git
[20:54] <jdriselvato> hey paultag can you explain a makefile?
[20:55] <mhall119> nobody can exmplain a makefile
[20:55] <paultag> jdriselvato: not atm :(
[20:55] <paultag> jdriselvato: but yes, they're awesome
[20:55] <jdriselvato> Ah. okay....
[20:58] <jdriselvato> paultag: the xdg thing looks good? lmao. Not even sure what et iz
[20:59] <jdriselvato> paultag: can i haz another spiffy code puzzle?


[06:36] <doko> jbicha: could you ping Debian #862425?
[07:21] <doko> kirkland: byobu: Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, gettext-base, net-tools, python3 | python, python3-newt | python-newt
[07:21] <doko> don't do that, breaking the dependency system
[10:19] <doko> cjwatson: what's the future of system-config-kickstart? it's seeded in supported-sysadmin-desktop, uses Python2
[10:19] <doko> and no bug subscriber
[10:29] <cjwatson> doko: I've subscribed to its bugs.  I'll have a look at some point - it probably has a new upstream
[11:44] <doko> cpaelzer, coreycb, jamespage: I have assigned a lot of the bugs filed with the py2-demotion tag to ubuntu-server, whereever I found the server team as a bug subscriber. excluded are the openstack packages
[12:04] <rbasak> doko: OOI, has Ubuntu committed to maintaining a delta for all of these? Or is the expectation to just send patches to Debian and wait? Do we have a specific target?
[12:05] <rbasak> A specific target release I mean.
[12:46] <cpaelzer> can I reverse search on package removal from archive in Debian?
[12:46] <cpaelzer> like (why) was package X removed?
[12:47] <seb128> cpaelzer, you can go on the bts page of the package
[12:48] <seb128> cpaelzer, e.g https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gdm.html the top entry is the removal which includes the details if you click on it
[12:50] <cpaelzer> thanks seb128
[14:07] <jbicha> doko: ping sent
[14:08] <doko> rbasak: sorry, where does the requirement to get a commitment come from? sure, we can demote these as well
[14:08] <doko> jbicha: ta
[14:08] <jbicha> pcre2 gave me a really bad first impression of dgit 😢
[14:09] <doko> good, then I'm not alone ;p
[14:10] <jbicha> doko: have you seen https://browse.dgit.debian.org/pcre2.git/ ?
[14:10] <rbasak> doko: I wasn't aware that removal of Python 2 from main was intended for this cycle, and to my knowledge the server team hasn't planned time for this.
[14:11] <jbicha> too bad the pcre2 packaging doesn't use Vcs fields in debian/control and too bad it doesn't preserve all that commit metadata in debian/patches/
[14:11] <rbasak> doko: was it communicated somewhere that I'm missing? This is the first I've heard of this (specific work to introduce a delta that is, rather than the general desire to remove Python 2 which of course I know about)
[14:13] <doko> rbasak: I would like to, but this depends on openstack migrating to Python3.  Yes, I think we communicated that before the last two or three LTSes. Feel free to search the mailing lists, and maybe even some blueprints
[14:14] <doko> but maybe you missed it
[14:22] <rbasak> doko: if you can't point to a definitive communication (eg. with an URL) where you made it clear that you wanted this for Bionic and that you'd expect the server team to move the server-maintained packages with a delta, then I don't think it's reasonable for you to spring this on us now. But I'll check with my manager.
[14:23] <doko> rbasak: well, I hope you have planned some time to work on the server seeds then, doesn't look like these have been worked on for ages
[14:23] <rbasak> doko: please can you be specific about what needs doing with the server seeds?
[14:23] <doko> rbasak: explicit seeding of python2 modules
[14:24] <rbasak> For the python2 removal? See above.
[14:39] <jamespage> rbasak, doko: I think the server seeds need some general housekeeping; there are multiple ways to get things seeded, and I think its over-populated atm with things that should just be depends
[14:56] <Anticom> Hi all. I'd like to know whether https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1595695 is going to be addressed or whether you actually *want* to leave the indicator's behaviour as is?
[18:23] <jbicha> icey: my email looks fine here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2017-November/040054.html
[20:16] <slangasek> cpaelzer: are you looking for a particular package?  you can look at e.g. https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/moodle/+publishinghistory
[20:17] <slangasek> that question was many hours old, wasn't it
[20:26] <coreycb> bdmurray: can i get a new version of neutron into artful-proposed at this point or do i need to wait for the current proposed version to complete verification? there's a high-impact bug fix that just became ready to cherry-pick.
[20:26] <sarnold> yes, yes it was :) but still, interesting..
[20:38] <bdmurray> coreycb: its up to you, upload another if you want
[20:38] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok i'll upload another with the both bug's referenced in the latest changelog and bump the version
[21:26] <ahasenack> does anybody know if this dep8 test failure is an infrastructure random issue? It looks like a timeout in the cloud that is used for the tests<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:26] <ahasenack> scroll to the very end
[21:35] <ahasenack> here is another failure type: " [16:09:45]: ERROR: erroneous package: Test dependencies are unsatisfiable. A common reason is that your testbed is out of date with respect to the archive, and you need to use a current testbed or run apt-get update or use -U."
[21:36] <ahasenack> anything I, the uploader, can do? Or is this an infrastructure problem, i.e., the image is out of date and/or inconsistent
[22:17] <slangasek> ahasenack: yes, that looks like an infra issue
[22:18] <slangasek> ahasenack: so it should be manually retried
[22:18] <ahasenack> slangasek: can you hit the button for me? I don't have perms (my upload was sponsored)
[22:18] <ahasenack> it's iproute2 in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[22:19] <slangasek> ahasenack: done
[22:19] <ahasenack> thanks a lot
[22:19] <wxl> hey i accidentially dput git when i meant it to go to a ppa so smack that down from me if you ssee it
[22:20] <ahasenack> wxl: dput without a target? I use this trick: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26084332/ :)
[22:20] <wxl> good idea ahasenack
[22:20] <wxl> shame, shame, shame
[23:36] <coreycb> bdmurray: i've uploaded a new version of neutron to the artful queue. that can replace version 2:11.0.2-0ubuntu1 that is currently in proposed.
[23:37] <bdmurray> coreycb: ack
[23:39] <bdmurray> coreycb: what is its status in bionic?
[23:41] <coreycb> bdmurray: eh. looks like the builder is moving slow. it's waiting to build in proposed.