[12:04] <zul> how is sydney tseng?
[12:04] <tseng> good thanks
[12:04] <zul> has the bof started yet?
[12:05] <tseng> no
[12:05] <tseng> an hour
[12:05] <zul> ah
[01:31] <schweeb> howdy, dholbach
[01:31] <ajmitch_> morning
[01:39] <dholbach> hey schweeb, ajmitch_ :-)
[01:39] <schweeb> how's Australia
[01:40] <dholbach> schweeb: mark has his talk
[01:40] <dholbach> is having
[01:42] <schweeb> awesome
[01:42] <Burgundavia> what is the great sabdfl saying?
[02:07] <zul> *cough* flumotion *cough*
[02:10] <Burgundavia> is there a stream?
[02:11] <zul> nope
[07:01] <koke> ogra: dholbach where are you now?
[07:03] <ogra> koke, i'm in sublime1
[07:03] <ogra> (where we had the expanding-universe bof
[07:06] <Burgundavia> ogra, I did some more expansion of the gis page, looking for stuff that is already packaged
[07:07] <Burgundavia> is it still useful for me to continue doing that?
[07:08] <dholbach> koke: newsletter bof
[07:15] <tseng> dholbach: !
[07:15] <dholbach> tseng: whats up?
[07:15] <tseng> nm
[07:16] <tseng> what bof next?
[07:17] <tseng> toolchain or kernel
[07:20] <koke> maybe thinclients or toolchain for me
[07:22] <dholbach> where's toolchain?
[07:23] <ajmitch_> sublime 2
[07:26] <tseng> who has working usbmass
[07:36] <ogra> Burgundavia, wow, great :)
[07:36] <Burgundavia> ogra, I am about half done doing that opengis page, should I keep on working on it?
[07:39] <ogra> opengis ?
[07:39] <ogra> you mean the debian list ?
[07:40] <Burgundavia> the opengis.org page, that lists all the hundreds of programs
[07:40] <ogra> ah, the opensourcegis.org
[07:40] <Burgundavia> I have been checking those what they are and if they are packaged
[07:40] <ogra> if youre already half done, and like to go on, go on ;)
[07:40] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:41] <Burgundavia> I will only do it if it is useful for eventuallly getting them into ubuntu
[10:45] <\sh> morning
[10:49] <\sh> ok..now i'm working on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/412
[10:50] <ajmitch_> hi \sh
[10:51] <\sh> morning ajmitch
[10:51] <\sh> well, the actual version of eric3 is running perfekt
[10:52] <\sh> but not this one in hoary
[10:52] <\sh> bti qsizepolicy looks like, it's a problem with python-qt
[10:52] <\sh> the segmentation fault a problem of eric
[12:36] <susus> ogra: ping
[02:18] <tseng> hi ogra
[02:18] <ogra> hey, still awake tseng  ?
[02:18] <tseng> yes and no
[02:18] <tseng> dinner here takes so long
[02:19] <Treenaks> tseng: I'm sure it's nothing compared to Spanish dinners ;)
[02:19] <tseng> i dont like the food here
[02:19] <tseng> the dinners anyway, its rather odd stuff
[02:20] <Treenaks> "odd stuff"?
[02:20] <tseng> yes
[02:20] <Treenaks> chunks of cow?
[02:20] <ajmitch_> bbl :)
[02:20] <tseng> oh and, there are 2 of each course on the menu
[02:20] <tseng> and you randomly get one
[02:20] <Treenaks> cool
[02:39] <tseng> whip|udu: ping?
[02:40] <whip|udu> hey
[02:41] <whip|udu> tseng: yeah?
[02:48] <tseng> whip|udu: tell schweed he is my bish
[02:48] <tseng> schweeb
[04:36] <\sh> re
[06:43] <trulux> what's the font used in the mono logo? :)
[06:50] <Burgundavia> #dashboard or #mono might give you a better answer
[06:59] <trulux> Burgundavia: I think it's the first off-topic question I make in this channel after a big couple of questions regarding Ubuntu development, just asking as here we have some Mono lovers
[06:59] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:59] <Burgundavia> who did the mono logo?
[07:01] <trulux> Burgundavia: should I know it? :)
[07:19] <herve> hi
[07:20] <trulux> hey herve
[07:21] <trulux> herve: do you have some free time now?
[07:21] <herve> hardly
[07:21] <\sh> hey herve
[07:22] <\sh> herve: are u working on the python-sip qt3 and kde packages?
[07:22] <herve> not anymore
[07:23] <\sh> herve: shit..
[07:23] <herve> I tried my hands on them a few weeks ago now
[07:23] <\sh> we should provide actual versions and pykde is only in the snapshot release usable
[07:24] <herve> you mean there's an upstream not packaged in debian?
[07:24] <\sh> herve: I didn't check breezy right now, but I think they don't use pykde-snapshot from 20050316
[07:24] <\sh> cause the 3.11.x is broken
[07:24] <\sh> lemme check
[07:25] <herve> trulux, what was on your mind?
[07:25] <herve> \sh, the logic would drive to package stable versions, not snapshots :-)
[07:26] <herve> \sh, all 3.11.x or < 3.11.3 ?
[07:26] <\sh> herve: there is only one official 3.11.x == 3.11.3
[07:26] <trulux> herve: the final libssp packages
[07:27] <herve> trulux, I'm afraid it's a too big fish for my few skills
[07:29] <trulux> herve: I don't think so
[07:30] <trulux> in the other hand, I have partially finished the gcc-3.4-hardened package, just that I don't know how to make it "moving", at least virtually, /usr/bin/ld to the created tmp dir, it's throwing errors due to the obvious unexistence of the file within the package source tree
[07:30] <trulux> let's say, package build tree
[07:30] <herve> \sh, you refer to python-kde3 ?
[07:30] <herve> trulux, what would I have to do?
[07:32] <\sh> herve: jepp
[07:32] <\sh> hmm...qlist.h is not there anymore
[07:32] <\sh> in the sip file but it's included..removing it ;)
[07:32] <herve> \sh, I saw the latest changes we are missing wrt debian, and they seem quite interesting
[07:33] <trulux> herve: just test them and look at them so, you can have an idea before uploading them which is something we need to have done
[07:34] <\sh> well...finally I'm compiling by hand now :)
[07:34] <herve> trulux, I can't upload you know
[07:34] <herve> hi AstralJava
[07:34] <AstralJava> Hi herve!
[07:34] <AstralJava> ...and all. :)
[07:35] <\sh> and the unstable package of pykde is 3.11.3
[07:36] <herve> \sh, -4
[07:36] <herve> we have -1
[07:36] <\sh> herve: but ours is against python2.3 and not 2.4
[07:36] <\sh> but sip4-qt3 is against 2.4
[07:37] <herve> trulux, maybe in about two hours
[07:37] <herve> \sh, that's part of the mess I tried to solve
[07:38] <\sh> ok..lets wait for the sync of those packages
[07:38] <\sh> cause on breezy we're always with -1
[07:38] <herve> you know, you are one of the people who would make this sync
[07:38] <herve> I doubt it will be autosync
[07:39] <herve> because it was altered for ubuntu
[07:39] <\sh> herve: ok..i will deal with it later ;)
[07:39] <\sh> cause those packages are really messy
[07:39] <\sh> eric3 the same
[07:40] <herve> I tried eric3 a few days ago and it ran fine
[07:40] <\sh> updated version is running like a unicorn...smooth and nice with stars sprinkling
[07:40] <\sh> herve: but not with our versions of pyqt etc.
[07:41] <\sh> default is: issue with qsizepolicy (wich is a pyqt issue, and resolved in a new version)
[07:41] <\sh> and a segfault
[07:41] <\sh> and this is also know by upstream and fixed in actual release
[07:41] <\sh> what we were shipping is 2-3 minorversions old
[07:43] <\sh> thats the reason why, I would like to see a change of behaviour with bugfixes...
[07:43] <herve> that's also what I expect from bugfixes ;-)
[07:43] <\sh> bugfix-packages after release would be nice for the user
[07:43] <herve> ok, see you later!
[07:44] <\sh> cu herve
[07:44] <AstralJava> See ya.
[08:00] <trulux> herve: ok, many thanks in advance
[08:58] <herve> houba !
[08:59] <herve> ok trulux
[08:59] <herve> I give you the next hour
[09:00] <herve> now I mean, for an hour
[09:00] <trulux> herve: oh, many thanks ;D
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> ok i run a native 64bit system, the current mplayer package for amd64 doesnt run the 32bit w32codecs to play wmv files, so i make a statically linked 32bit binary compiled for athlon-4 that will play the wmv files, called mplayer32
[09:02] <trulux> herve: I'm off for today
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> now i want to make a package for it, to basically cp mplayer32_binary /usr/local/bin
[09:03] <lsuactiafner> so the fakeroot and dbuild commands are basically useless for me.. since i had to crate a chroot with serveral compile flags ect to make the binary
[09:03] <trulux> herve: could you send your comments and whatever you think would be worthy to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:04] <lsuactiafner> but i'm new to this so not sure what to do from here?
[09:04] <herve> trulux, sure but about what? what to do!!
[09:05] <herve> lsuactiafner, not sure to understrand, you want to make a debian package from a set of files
[09:05] <herve> that's what we usually call a tarball :-)
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> well a debian package with only one file in it
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> that needs perform the command to the effect of cp mplayer32_binary /usr/local/bin
[09:06] <herve> do it by hand, that's the best solution
[09:06] <herve> especially because a debian package don't have to do anything in /usr/local
[09:07] <lsuactiafner> k will see if i can figure it out
[09:07] <lsuactiafner> tried earlier but looked like the syntax would give me problems
[09:07] <trulux> herve: test it, review the structure, check for anything to complain, do a upload or forward it to pitti or mdz or someone with time to upload
[09:07] <trulux> herve: that's it
[09:07] <trulux> now, see you
[09:08] <trulux> herve: many thanks in advance
[09:08] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[09:08] <trulux> herve: are you dcc capable?
[09:08] <herve> trulux, ha ok, will seek your archive in the wiki
[09:08] <trulux> herve: ok
[09:08] <herve> trulux, never tried from here
[09:09] <herve> lsuactiafner, cd / && tar zcf /tmp/mplayer-static.tgz usr/local/bin/mplayer_static
[09:09] <trulux> herve: common way: untar the archive, apply the debian diff and try to build, there's a very last error regarding the /usr/bin/ld to /usr/bin/ld.real movement I told you
[09:09] <herve> lsuactiafner, you're done :-)
[09:09] <trulux> herve: 'nite :)
[09:09] <trulux> 'nite all
[09:09] <herve> night!
[09:45] <lsuactiafner> herve : yeh am now after writing INFO ect files
[09:45] <lsuactiafner> will send in next 10 minutes
[09:47] <lsuactiafner> ok dcc this or can i upload to a local ftp server?
[09:47] <lsuactiafner> am on a 5k/s dailup so its better to use ftp servers rather than dcc
[09:50] <lsuactiafner> uploading..
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> siretart:  10:27    0.28/  3.42 MB    5.12 kB/s -
[09:52] <lsuactiafner> the server is like 1200m from here on a much faster link.. am stuck on a dailup
[09:53] <siretart> hi
[09:53] <siretart> lsuactiafner: huh?
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> umm
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> i made a package, need some developer to look @ it and adjust the package as need be
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> since i dont know how to make a decent workable package, only the binary
[09:58] <crimsun> please add your repo's url to the MOTUTodo
[09:58] <crimsun> and the appropriate NEW page if it's new
[09:59] <\sh> *grmpf*
[09:59] <\sh> herve: ping
[10:56] <herve> night all


[10:21] <rbasak> mwhudson: I'm not clear on what "Fix Released" for the subuiqity LP project actually means. Am I right in thinking it isn't tracking actual availability to users? If so, any chance we could arrange for the bug tracker to be able to track when users have a fix available, eg. by using series tasks?
[10:42] <rafaeldtinoco> hello, i just had a random launchpad user deleting my attached patch to LP: #1828288. I wonder how this user was able to delete my attached patch...
[10:43] <rafaeldtinoco> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I2DcRftj/image.png
[10:43] <rafaeldtinoco> am I missing something ? :\
[11:07] <marcustomlinson> tjaalton: hi, got a mail from bdmurray this morning about an increased crash rate on my libreoffice disco SRU: https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2019.04&package=libreoffice-core&period=week&version=1%3A6.2.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:07] <marcustomlinson> Looking at them, there’s really only one there that’s new (the ‘SwPaM’ one), the rest are pre-existing conditions.
[11:08] <marcustomlinson> From that stack trace, the crash is related to pasting content which causes page inserts. I’ve just tested all kinds of scenarios around that and can’t reproduce.
[11:08] <marcustomlinson> Can we continue phasing the update? It doesn’t look (at least to me) like much regression has occurred really.
[11:51] <cjwatson> rafaeldtinoco: Permissions there are unfortunately weak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/117752
[11:52] <cjwatson> But as noted in that bug we need to be careful, and it seems nobody has got round to it
[12:28] <ahasenack> hello archive admins, I have a few NBS packages that can now be removed from eoan: libpmemcto1, libpmemcto-dev and libpmemcto1-debug
[12:28] <ahasenack> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[12:28] <ahasenack> they came from pmdk 1.4.1, which I updated to 1.5.1 yesterday and upstream removed that code, so pmdk no longer produces these packages
[12:29] <cjwatson> You don't really need to ask about that stuff - if it's green in the report then somebody will take care of it semi-automatically at some point
[12:29] <cjwatson> I'll do it now
[12:29] <ahasenack> thanks
[12:29] <ahasenack> I was following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NBS which said a ping in #ubuntu-devel was appreciated :)
[12:30] <cjwatson> I didn't write that :)
[12:30] <ahasenack> hehe
[12:31] <cjwatson> Done
[12:31] <ahasenack> \o/
[13:21] <coreycb> tjaalton: hello, if you have cycles in your SRU rotation today can you take a look at nova in the bionic unapproved queue?
[13:30] <coreycb> there's also a software-properties change in the bionic unapproved queue to enable the train cloud archived. i'd like to get that in soon too and get the train moving along. 8)
[13:31] <coreycb> cloud archive, that is
[14:27] <tjaalton> coreycb: sure
[14:27] <coreycb> tjaalton: thanks!
[14:27] <tjaalton> marcustomlinson: I'm not sure how to do that, as I never release updates since my shift is on friday
[14:28] <marcustomlinson> bdmurray could you continue phasing the libreoffice update for me?
[14:32] <tjaalton> coreycb: I don't see nova on the queue
[14:33] <coreycb> tjaalton: erm.. ok me neither. working on it.
[14:33] <coreycb> tjaalton: i think it may have been rejected yesterday
[14:35] <tjaalton> coreycb: and software-properties has a pending sru in proposed already
[14:36] <tjaalton> so won't be touching that either
[14:36] <coreycb> tjaalton: darn ok.
[14:36] <ahasenack> uscan is failing in eoan, is this known? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Q2XvDNjCGC/
[14:36] <ahasenack> same watch file worked on bionic
[14:37] <ahasenack> apt-file on eoan can't find CTX_clear_m.al
[14:40] <bdmurray> marcustomlinson: yes, I'll have a look at the phasing shortly
[14:40] <marcustomlinson> bdmurray: thanks
[15:50] <coreycb> tjaalton: nova is in the bionic unapproved queue for real now
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> If any MOTU wants a quick, easy package to sponsor, I've got one at bug 1829562. lintian --pedantic returns no errors. The copyright file is a little long, but I went over it pretty thoroughly.
[18:28] <ddstreet> coreycb in case you didn't see, i added you to a WIP MP i have for software-properties, https://code.launchpad.net/~ddstreet/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/367276
[18:29] <ddstreet> if you have any comments/suggestions/concerns about my changes overall or specifically to cloudarchive.py backend, let me know
[18:29] <ddstreet> updated cloudarchive.py file is https://git.launchpad.net/~ddstreet/software-properties/tree/softwareproperties/cloudarchive.py?h=lp645404
[18:35] <SwedeMike> win 575
[18:36] <sarnold> 575? wow :)
[18:49] <CarlFK> ddstreet: https://git.launchpad.net/~ddstreet/software-properties/tree/softwareproperties/cloudarchive.py?h=lp645404#n54  "This page has moved to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/CloudArchive. "
[19:29] <coreycb> ddstreet: i think i'm missing context. is there a related bug i can read?
[19:30] <coreycb> sory, i see related bug
[19:46] <ddstreet> coreycb sure lp #645404
[19:46] <ddstreet> CarlFK ah ok - that's what it is currently in software-properties, i just left it in
[19:47] <ddstreet> CarlFK i.e. that isn't something i changed :)
[19:47] <ddstreet> but i will now ;)
[19:49] <ddstreet> CarlFK thnx, fixed that in my branch (not in main s-p repo tho, until mine is merged)
[21:00] <ddstreet> vorlon i see you're retrying those systemd autopkgtest...you have any idea what's going on with those?  it seems like a autopkgtest nova/vm problem?
[21:01] <ddstreet> it's been failing strangely like that since earlier this week, with the nova guest output summary at the bottom, and timing out ssh'ing into the testbed
[21:01] <ddstreet> sorry, by 'autopkgtest nova/vm problem' i mean it seems like a problem with autopkgtest.ubuntu.com testbed vms


[01:43] <Cloud1> hey
[07:56] <popey> morning
[07:58] <czajkowski> herrrro
[08:23]  * popey just discovered a blog post by AlanBell from the past
[08:23] <popey> when looking for something unrelated
[08:23] <popey> http://webbookblog.com/possible-update-on-the-graphics-drivers/
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> best viewed at 1024×600
[09:39] <AlanBell> that was bad hardware
[09:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:43] <brobostigon> o/
[09:49] <jacobw> morning
[09:49] <Myrtti> I should listen to more Air, clear sign of that is that I get the chills when Galaxy Note ad is on telly
[09:49] <jacobw> i have feeling there's important things i should be doing, but i have many episodes of babylon 5 to watch
[09:50] <Myrtti> I have the same feeling with Yesterday's WDYTYA marathon
[09:50] <jacobw> wdytya?
[09:50] <Myrtti> Who Do You Think You Are
[09:50] <jacobw> haha
[09:50] <jacobw> that's an obscure marathon
[09:51] <Myrtti> Finnish television did a Finnish version and I heard about it when there was only one episode left to show :-|
[09:51]  * Myrtti is a history buff
[09:56] <jacobw> its the london marathon today :)
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: 8km was enough for me ;)
[10:52]  * jacobw thinks more about running
[11:13] <bigcalm> Good mor^Wafternoon peeps :)
[11:14] <popey> yo
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> hi popey
[11:14] <bigcalm> Yo dig?
[12:32] <Pissed> hi all dose unity --reset rest the complet intall back to start or dose it just reest the UI
[12:32] <sagaci> Pissed, resets the UI
[12:38] <Pissed> thanks sagaci,  how do i reset the OS back to the start with out rebuliding
[12:38] <Pissed> im from widonw and i can not see a roll back or back up tool.   im a bit confused.
[12:39] <brobostigon> in 12.04 there is a built in, backup solution. as for rollback, i dont think it really comparitivly possible.
[12:40] <brobostigon> Pissed: dejadup is the backup software used.
[12:40] <sagaci> in 11.10 there's deja dup but from memory (I haven't used it) it only does files and directories, not system-wide backup
[12:40] <sagaci> Pissed, what's the problem?
[12:42] <Pissed> wel im new to this, and i keep messing things up,  but learning mess up, so id like to be aable to do a system roll back or back up and restore,  how do i best achive this, thanks
[12:42] <Pissed> im switching to linix cos of nodejs    and cos im so board with windows
[12:42] <sagaci> unless you've screwed up royally, you could create a new user and just go from there
[12:43] <Pissed> ok,  so what if i install node, mess it up.  i just create a new account, delte old on and im done, is that right.
[12:43] <sagaci> err, no
[12:43] <Pissed> he thought not.
[12:43] <Pissed> is  there a system roll back tool then
[12:44] <sagaci> if it's just nodejs are you having trouble with the configuration files or something?
[12:45] <SuperEngineer> hurrumph!  It's my birthday & I wanted some F1 action. I will not give Murdoch £ for political reasons & now, it appears some hactivists are attacking Formula1.com - grrr
[12:46] <Pissed> well,  i keep setting up node and npm as instructed and express is just not going right for me, im not sure if im getting local and global install right.
[12:46] <Pissed> i use https://gist.github.com/579814   section two to install node and npm
[12:47] <Pissed> but when i do https://github.com/visionmedia/express   it all gose wrong.
[12:47] <Pissed> is this cos im messing up the gloabl and local thing
[12:48] <sagaci> err, right.. you could try purging the packages and reinstalling if you want to start from scratch without clean installing
[12:48] <jussi> SuperEngineer: aww
[12:49] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Try cake instead, cake's always good for birthdays
[12:49] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[12:50] <Pendulum> penguin42: +1
[12:53] <penguin42> hmm I really should use a snapshot on this vm, I keep nuking it as I try stuff and having to reinstall
[12:53] <jussi> SuperEngineer: I could *cough* suggest other things... but hrm, this channel :P :P
[12:53] <penguin42> you're sure it's better than cake?
[12:54] <Pissed> whats a good snap shoot tool.   + do i just snap shoot root and re install root. and forget about home
[12:56] <penguin42> Pissed: Well I was going to use an lvm snapshot; not too simple and I'm not always convinced they're happy
[12:58] <SuperEngineer> jussi, ;)
[13:00] <Pissed> ok, so if i purdge the sytem will this take me back to origianl install.
[13:00] <Pissed> sos guy, a rollbacl tool is what im used to ,
[13:01] <directhex> Pissed: there's no gui way to do what you want. there are non-gui ways to do it.
[13:02] <directhex> (lvm snapshotting, for those at the back)
[13:04] <Pissed> cool ta ill look at hat
[13:11]  * SuperEngineer looks at his own hat in sympathy
[13:31] <jacobw> etckeeper :)
[13:43] <jussi> haha... everton and united drew today :D
[14:07] <bigcalm> One cannot image a self mounted drive, right?
[14:16] <kvarley> I'm having a weird issue. Flash videos on YouTube, etc have colouration issues but videos in Gnome-MPlayer and VLC don't. Any suggestions?
[14:16] <kvarley> They seem to be in a negative sort of effect
[14:23] <jacobw> bigcalm: self mounted?
[14:27] <bigcalm> Ignore me :)
[14:30]  * jacobw /ignores bigcalm
[14:30] <jacobw> :D
[14:36] <jacobw> hi thameslink
[14:36] <thameslink> hi there :)
[14:39] <jacobw> interesting name
[17:04] <webpigeon> 4/join #java
[17:04] <webpigeon> fail :/
[17:27] <cocoa117> does the ubuntu kernel been pre-configured with its source code?
[17:28] <cocoa117> so when i compile it the module is created based on the ubuntu standard
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> ?
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> You can install the kernel-headers package for your kernel
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> and then it will do that, yes
[17:28] <cocoa117> i don't have to do menuconfig thing with kernel.org source code
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> though using something like "dkms" is recommended (it will recompile modules automatically when new kernels are released)
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> Indeed, you don't have to do menuconfig
[17:29] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, i c
[17:29] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, so if i patched ubuntu kernel source code, i should do dkms to get new modules?
[17:30] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, i only just patched DVB section of the source code
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> uhrm
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> why would you do that?
[17:32] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, do you mean why would i patch ubuntu kernel source code? i need a function and version 3.0.0 kernel don't support it
[17:32] <cocoa117> have to get new module before the program can work
[17:32] <cocoa117> it is a dvb loop device module
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> separate module packages are easy
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> but modules like this.. I'd have to study that
[17:56] <jacobw> modules are usually packaged
[17:58] <jacobw> and don't require a patch to source and usually don't particular build options either
[17:58] <jacobw> you probably need a module package, if you do need to compile the module you need headers
[18:37] <chambo> Hello.  I would like some software to produce videos.  Ultimately I'd like a video containing coloured blobs which move around (Slightly obscure but I'm writing some software to do video tracking and this would make some nice synthetic test data).  Are there applications available which allow me to describe say two ellipses and some transformations and record this as an AVI?
[18:37] <chambo> Very long shot I know but I thought someone on here might know of something
[18:37] <chambo> If not I'll put it on the list of things to write
[19:13] <gordonjcp> chambo: have you looked at Processing?
[19:13] <gordonjcp> you may be able to write something in that, it's a sort of java-based graphicsy thing
[19:22] <chambo> gordonjcp, I've heard of processing but never used.  Just had a quick look though and video is only supported with OSX and Windows.  A good idea though - I might look for similar languages.
[19:25] <chambo> Just discovered some software called synfig which looks like it may do what I'm after
[19:33] <gordonjcp> chambo: you could write it out as a series of frames, then use mencoder to combine them into a video
[19:33] <gordonjcp> athough tbh you could use damn near any language for that
[19:38] <cocoa117> if i need to patch existing ubuntu kernel 3.0.0, say dvb-core modules and snd modules. when I do make and make install, does it mean all the kernel module will be recompiled and build? or the make is smart enough just create module for patched module
[19:48] <chambo> synfig seems to do the job - a bit faffy to use but I should be able to knock something up
[19:48] <chambo> Cheers for the suggestions gordonjcp
[19:59] <directhe`> http://i.imgur.com/EPZ70l.jpg
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> directhe`: Ikex!
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Ikea*
[20:00] <directhe`> MartijnVdS: not *all* of it. the, erm, radiator isn't
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> directhe`: the Expedits are :)
[20:01] <directhe`> the new high gloss expedits are expensive
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> I have two non-gloss black ones
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> The "holes" are perfect for records (the old vinyl ones)
[20:02] <directhe`> MartijnVdS: our front room contains the black 5x5 and old discontinued 5x5 TV expedits
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> 5x5s are HUGE
[20:03] <directhe`> MartijnVdS: this means we can transfer boxes of baby tat from nursery to front room, and just slot them in
[20:03] <directhe`> the SKUBB and DRONA fit well
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> I have one of the "door" inserts
[20:04] <directhe`> officially SKUBB is part of the PAX accessories range, but they have a 33x33x33cm
[20:04] <directhe`> MartijnVdS: we have, erm, 2 of those. and 2 set of drawers. need 4 more doors - but MK ikea were sold out
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/40166569/#/00156949
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> directhe`: You know you can fit 19" hardware between the legs of a LACK table, right? :)
[20:05] <directhe`> MartijnVdS: i'm not putting rackmount hardware at child height.
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> No "My first oscilloscope"?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> "My first BladeCenter"
[20:06] <daftykins> lmao
[20:06] <daftykins> directhe`: wee one on the way eh? boy or girl?
[20:07] <directhe`> boy
[20:07] <daftykins> ooh
[20:09] <daftykins> what's the ETA? also your nick's borked
[20:16] <directhe`> daftykins: end of june
[20:16] <daftykins> cool
[20:16] <directhe`> daftykins: i know, but too laxy to type /nick directhex
[20:39]  * dwatkins wonders why #linux is trending on Google+ (not that it's a bad thing, just curious)
[20:41] <sircrashalot> The only reason #linux is trending is people are excited #linux is trending!
[20:41] <dwatkins> sircrashalot: I suspected as much, how wonderfully recursive :)
[20:50] <gordonjcp> sircrashalot: feedback(n): see 'feedback'
[21:57] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:58] <sircrashalot> I'll be dreaming of HUDs
[22:01] <daftykins> \o
[22:09] <bigcalm> Why am I writing vb.net for work at 11pm on a Sunday evening?
[22:09] <sircrashalot> Can you compile it in Mono?
[22:09] <Jora> you just love work that much
[22:10] <bigcalm> sircrashalot: I'd rather not do any work at all at this time of day
[22:10] <daftykins> that's how relaxing sunday night is
[22:10] <bigcalm> Jora: looks like it
[22:10] <hamitron> !12.04
[22:11] <daftykins> if i wasn't afraid of getting punched by everyone in the channel, i'd say i don't know the precise release date yet ;x
[22:11]  * daftykins ducks
[22:11] <hamitron> why?
[22:12] <daftykins> precise...
[22:12]  * hamitron is looking forward to trying unity
[22:12] <bigcalm> 26th, this Thursday
[22:12] <hamitron> hehe :)
[22:12] <sircrashalot> One day all programs will be written in vb.net
[22:13] <hamitron> and one day I will die
[22:13] <hamitron> ;/
[22:13] <Jora> lol
[22:13] <Jora> i think java seems to be more of the popular language these days
[22:13] <sircrashalot> java and c
[22:14] <daftykins> having just the JRE installed sure brings some security problems
[22:14] <daftykins> apparently it's the largest vector for Windows systems
[22:15] <hamitron> :/
[22:15] <hamitron> if only it wasn't for minecraft....
[22:15] <hamitron> ;)
[22:15] <daftykins> hrmm i want to move back up to my upstairs bedroom
[22:15] <Jora> i am a programming newb, is there a lot of ai work done in java?
[22:15] <daftykins> the paint is kinda dry now...
[22:19] <ali1234> dont pick a language because it is popular
[22:19] <daftykins> i'd have thought java wouldn't be best suited
[22:19] <ali1234> pick it becase it is the right tool for the job
[22:20] <hamitron> well said ali1234
[22:20] <ali1234> if you don't know what a language is good for you don't know it well enough to use it
[22:20] <daftykins> pretty sure Jora's just asking what's commonly used given AI's needs
[22:20] <ali1234> lisp
[22:20] <hamitron> I dunno AI, so *shrugs*
[22:20] <Jora> Yeah, thats IS what I'm asking daftykins
[22:20] <hamitron> lua maybe?
[22:20] <ali1234> lisp is the most commonly used language in AI, or at least it was
[22:20] <Jora> I don't know how to use java yet, was just asking a general question.
[22:21] <Jora> Java is the language that we are required to study in depth.
[22:21] <daftykins> Jora: whenever i think of Java (and bear in mind you've done more of it than me now) i think of how the virtual machine element makes it less efficient on hardware, so i wonder if AI might need that, but then it depends how people messing with it use it i guess
[22:21] <ali1234> java is most commonly used in business applications
[22:22] <ali1234> java is designed around the idea of production line programming
[22:22] <sircrashalot> The tool for the job  http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/whenever.html
[22:24] <ali1234> if you wanted to hire a bunch of people to create a software platform for your business and you wanted to ensure none of them could steal your idea by making sure that none of the developers had any idea what the end product was supposed to actually DO, then java is the language you would have them write it in
[22:26] <daftykins> i'm always amazed at how far away from a simple question one can get in this channel :D
[22:28] <Jora> lol
[22:28] <Jora> I intend to become proficient in java then hopefully move on the something else.
[22:29] <daftykins> cool
[22:29] <daftykins> you still getting assignments with it?
[22:29] <daftykins> to do stuff with it, i mean
[22:30] <directhe`> sircrashalot: you can write vb.net apps for ubuntu.
[22:30] <ali1234> directhe`: what was the name of that mono compatibility testing app?
[22:30] <Jora> daftykins, i just finished my last java assignment for awhile but I found an online resource to go over what we covered more in depth.
[22:30] <ali1234> that tells you if a .net app runs in mono or not
[22:31] <daftykins> Jora: what kinda thing did the last get up to?
[22:31] <ali1234> never mind, found it http://www.mono-project.com/MoMA
[22:31] <Jora> it was just modifying a payroll system .....importing classes, superclass/subclass relationships
[22:31] <daftykins> hmm
[22:32] <Jora> Not that advanced. Newb stuff.
[22:32] <directhe`> ali1234: MOMA
[22:32] <ali1234> cheers
[22:32] <Jora> Now when I look at java at least it makes a bit of sense to me.
[22:33] <ali1234> java is actively designed to prevent you from doing anything "clever" or "advanced"
[22:34] <directhe`> pretty much.
[22:34] <Jora> You suggest taking up LISP?
[22:34] <directhe`> lollisp
[22:34] <ali1234> for AI? it's the standard
[22:34] <ali1234> for anything else? hell no
[22:34] <directhe`> prolog.
[22:34] <directhe`> for AI
[22:34] <ali1234> prolog for when your code absolutely has to be correct :)
[22:35] <Jora> well anything, i was asking about AI etc just because thats an area I'd like to study down the road in a few years
[22:35] <ali1234> there is no general purpose language you can learn and then use for everything, except maybe C
[22:35] <Jora> few years meaning like 5 unless i have sufficient background at some point to do one of those free courses online
[22:35] <sircrashalot> The recent Thrun+Norvig AI course used python
[22:37] <Jora> Yeah, I never see any jobs for python programmers ever advertised though
[22:38] <Jora> Its always Perl, Java C, C++
[22:38] <Jora> Python seems to be a good learning tool though
[22:38] <daftykins> i think Python would be more in the domain of a sysadmin's toolset?
[22:38] <daftykins> so possibly not specific coding jobs, i dunno
[22:39] <daftykins> of course i could be talking rubbish, since i don't code...
[22:39] <daftykins> ;D
[22:41] <hamitron> Jora, who needs AI when you can get people to "waste" their time in on your app, if you include network support? ;)
[22:43] <Jora> i dunno, it seems an interesting aspect of computing to learn about
[22:43] <hamitron> I guess
[22:43] <hamitron> I personally hate it, but I recognise it is very in depth and a subject of its own
[22:43] <hamitron> :)
[22:44] <Jora> What do you dislike about it?
[22:44] <hamitron> I prefer simulations of real world physics
[22:44] <hamitron> or things that exist
[22:44] <hamitron> rather than making something appear to think
[22:45] <Jora> Yeah, I get you.
[22:46] <Jora> Like a simulation of a brain vs a bot that appears to think
[22:47] <hamitron> yeh
[22:48] <hamitron> or simulation of a car and its handling..... than a bot to drive it
[22:48] <hamitron> I guess it is fun to program hardware to do something too
[22:48] <Jora> The more I learn, the less I feel I know and the more there seems there is to learn.
[22:48] <hamitron> same for all of us
[22:48] <hamitron> :)
[22:49] <hamitron> someone who thinks they know so much, there is nothing more to learn..... is someone who hasn't looked into something close enough
[22:49] <daftykins> yeah i always get that
[22:50] <daftykins> makes those friends of mine that are pushing boundaries by for example, doing research PhD's etc. all the more amazing
[22:50] <Jora> oh cool daftykins what are they doing work in?
[22:57] <daftykins> one guy was recently in Japan helping out with neutrino research, his main line of work is in nuclear physics
[22:58] <daftykins> so if he sticks at it he'll be a doctor eventually :>
[22:58] <daftykins> right gonna move bedrooms


[00:47] <francisvgarcia> Hi everyone
[00:49] <francisvgarcia> I am having issues with ubuntu server 12.04 and this network card: intel Corporation 82562V-2 10/100
[00:50] <francisvgarcia> It completely freezes after one or two hours working, and I have to reboot the server for the network card to work again.
[04:43] <lfactor> Hey guys, i need some help with ufw, i'm wondering if i should turn of stateful support, and if so how.
[04:44] <lfactor> The machine will have around 800k simultaneous connections, i'm assuming stateful will increase the memory requirements a lot, but not sure.
[05:34] <lfactor> i've used /sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max=1048576 to set my conntrack higher, but still unclear what the positives of a stateful firewall is and if i should have it set on or off.
[07:38] <zaggynl> Why do I get a frozen virtual box vm every other time when I restart my ubuntu guest
[10:38] <JacKnife_> hello, i'm having trouble with squirrelmail on 12.04, when i compose a message and click send it never browses away from the compose screen, even though the message does get sent
[10:39] <JacKnife_> tried on ie and chrome.  the system is all updated and there are no php errors in the apache logs
[10:40] <JacKnife_> nada when i google "squirrelmail compose send" and similar
[10:48] <JacKnife_> w00t, the dudes in #ubuntu got me a fix: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.squirrelmail.user/38887
[12:41] <Lachezar> Hello all... Is it normal to have fs.nr_open = 1048576
[12:43] <Lachezar> 'sudo lsof | wc -l' shows 2390 open files/descriptors. And I am getting 'Too Many Open Files' crashes (I've raised limits to 65536 files).
[13:10] <zul> jdstrand: ping cinder should be good for main now
[13:22] <jdstrand> zul: yeah, it is on my list after I read email
[13:22] <zul> jdstrand: ok cool
[14:05] <Daviey> zul: can you confirm a pep8 backport fixes this FTBFS, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cloud-archive/+archive/folsom-staging/+packages ?
[14:06] <zul> Daviey: sure just a sec
[14:08] <Daviey> (hint, zul - don't confirm by uploading :)
[14:08] <zul> Daviey: well duh :)
[14:09]  * zul quickly hits control-c
[14:09] <Daviey> heh
[14:21] <Daviey> zul: any news?
[14:21] <zul> Daviey:  not yet still building
[14:26] <jamespage> utlemming, walinuxagent now in precise-proposed BTW
[14:26] <utlemming> jamepsage: awesome :)
[14:30] <jamespage> utlemming, do you have a handy way of testing it? we can then nudge it through to -updates ASAP
[14:31] <utlemming> jamespage: yeah, I can give that a test rather easily
[14:31] <jamespage> utlemming, marvellous!
[14:40] <zul> Daviey: confirmed
[14:42] <Daviey> zul: confirmed it fixes it?
[14:42] <zul> Daviey: confirmed it fixes it
[14:43] <Daviey> zul: okay.. what version is it?
[14:43] <zul> Daviey: 1.2 from quantal
[14:44] <Daviey> zul: wait, i thought 1.2 was evil?
[14:44] <Daviey> for folsom?
[14:45] <zul> Daviey:  it is...not for f1 though
[14:48] <Daviey> zul: wow, that much fail got introduced for >f1 ?
[14:48] <zul> Daviey:  yeah
[14:48] <jamespage> xnox, I need todo something with dumbo for you today don't I
[14:49] <xnox> hmmm.... jamespage you could =)
[14:49] <jamespage> xnox, branch?
[14:49] <xnox> jamespage: i have packaging done, but debian/copyright
[14:49] <xnox> it's not done yet.
[14:49] <xnox> let me push it to lp.net
[14:50] <jamespage> xnox, as its PPA not to worried about d/copyright
[14:50]  * jamespage slaps himself
[14:50] <Daviey> zul: well, there is a reasonable chance we might need to fall back to 1.1 for folsom
[14:50] <jamespage> well for the time being at least
[14:50] <Daviey> so doing the same for the cloud archive is reasonable
[14:50] <zul> Daviey: ack
[14:51] <Daviey> zul: can you upload a dsc and Friends somewhere?
[14:51] <zul> Daviey: for pep8?
[14:51] <Daviey> zul: yeah
[14:52] <zul> Daviey: hold on
[14:52] <xnox> jamespage: two branches: lp:~dmitrij.ledkov/+junk/typedbytes and lp:~dmitrij.ledkov/dumbo/packaging
[14:52] <xnox> it's two small python packages.
[14:53] <xnox> jamespage: feel free to repush to a more appropriate ~person
[14:53] <xnox> and if/when it's in the ppa, I can adjust juju charms to optionally include those
[14:53] <xnox> there is also pydumbo, but it's slower and I have no experience with it. And dumbo is sufficient so far.
[14:53] <xnox> although pydumbo has dfs bindings....
[14:54] <Daviey> zul: so.. first line of the changelog for novas, i set to -  nova (2012.2~f1-0ubuntu1~cloud0) precise-folsom; urgency=low .. .changes = "Distribution: precise" .. does that make sense?
[14:54] <zul> Daviey: yeah iirc thats what we agreed to
[14:55] <zul> Daviey: pep8 stuff is at: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/tmp/
[14:56] <zul> Daviey: because eventually you are going to have precise-grizzly, precise-h, precise-i, etc ,etc
[14:56] <Daviey> zul: right
[15:01] <jamespage> xnox, I've pushed them both to the dev PPA
[15:02] <jamespage> xnox, all of the hadoop related charms support use of dev|test|stable PPA's for that team
[15:02] <xnox> jamespage: cool, thanks =)
[15:03] <jamespage> xnox, I really like the idea of not having to write stuff in Java
[15:05] <xnox> jamespage: ideally i want to jujufy discoproject map-reduce
[15:05] <xnox> which uses tags instead of folders for dfs
[15:06] <xnox> and python instead of java for mapreduce
[15:06] <xnox> but server part is written in erlang and relies on DNS available for the nodes
[15:06] <xnox> but HPCloud doesn't support DNS at the moment
[15:07] <xnox> so I'm stuck with both discoproject and HPCloud lacking feature: dns-less setups or dns setup respectfully =)
[15:08]  * jamespage sighs
[15:11] <Lachezar> Repeating after a few hours: Is it normal to have fs.nr_open = 1048576
[15:11] <Lachezar> 'sudo lsof | wc -l' shows 2390 open files/descriptors. And I am getting 'Too Many Open Files' crashes (I've raised limits to 65536 files).
[15:12] <jdstrand> zul: re cinder> commented in the bug
[15:15] <utlemming> jamespage: it looks like walinuxagent hasn't landed in the archive yet...as soon as I see it, I'll test
[15:16] <RoyK> hm... seems when I reboot this machine, some drives in my raid come up as "missing" during initial bootup, and I get kicked into busybox. just exiting busybox works, and after that, I can mdadm --stop && mdadm --assemble and mount it - any idea how I can "slow down" this detection or increase the timeouts to avoid this problem?
[15:16] <jamespage> utlemming, should be - its in precise-proposed - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/walinuxagent/1.0~git20120606.c16f5e9-0ubuntu2~12.04.1
[15:17] <jamespage> if its not there after 4 days we have a problem
[15:17] <xnox> RoyK: if you are using precise, please upgrade to mdadm from -precise, as I commented on your bug report?
[15:17] <xnox> from -proposed that is.
[15:17] <xnox> it has an extra timeout to wait for udev to finish processing events, before dropping into busybox, which helps most people.
[15:17] <utlemming> jamespage: duh, my apt sources.list was wrong
[15:18] <jamespage> lol
[15:20] <RoyK> xnox: how can I upgrade to that from -proposed?
[15:20] <zul> jdstrand: damn it...*grumble* *grumble*
[15:21] <RoyK> xnox: this is precise, btw
[15:21] <xnox> !proposed
[15:22] <xnox> RoyK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[15:22] <RoyK> xnox: thanks
[15:27] <RoyK> xnox: \o/
[15:52] <hallyn> zul: did a qa-regression-test run just fora sanity's sake, all still looks good.  just lettin' you know cause i'm sure you're unable to sleep at nights worrying about it
[15:53] <zul> hallyn: libvirt?
[15:53] <hallyn> zul: yeah
[15:53] <zul> hallyn: coolness
[15:53] <hallyn> zul: do you know of anything we still need to do to libvirt during q?
[15:54] <zul> hallyn: nope just make sure it doesnt break
[15:54] <zul> hallyn: although i hope we can get the new libvirt-lxc stuff in for q
[15:54] <hallyn> which new stuff?
[15:55] <zul> hallyn: like the lxc reboot
[15:55] <hallyn> do you know where that went in? is it in 0.9.14?
[15:56] <zul> i think it is in trunk
[15:56] <hallyn> cause i assume that went in after those 500 'let's rename stuff for fun 'patches, so forget about backporting
[15:56] <utlemming> jamespage: confirmed
[15:56] <jamespage> utlemming, great - nice one
[15:56] <zul> hallyn: yeah thats why i want trunk :)
[15:56] <utlemming> jamespage: I fired up a couple of instances to be sure.
[15:56] <hallyn> by trunk you mean git head?
[15:57] <hallyn> (not trying to be pedantic, justnot sure what you mean)
[15:59] <zul> hallyn: ack
[15:59] <hallyn> k
[16:09] <souliaq> Hi, I have a little "legal" licensing problem in my company, so the lawyer are asking my for license of Ubuntu-Server, apache and subversion. What he need? GPLv3 and Apache License "texts" and tha'ts all?
[17:18] <xnox> Anyone has a spare intel matrix raid controller?
[17:19] <xnox> souliaq: tarball of /usr/share/common-licenses/ as well as /usr/share/doc/*/copyright
[17:27] <RoyK> xnox: is that real raid or fakeraid?
[17:28] <RoyK> looks like fakeraid to me
[17:28] <RoyK> better use software raid :)
[17:28] <xnox> RoyK: it's not real-real, but it's usually managed with dmraid but recent mdadm can store external metadata using intel matrix format
[17:29] <xnox> and i want to test that, cause I am about to update mdadm in precise
[17:29] <RoyK> ok
[17:37] <RoyK> xnox: will I have to update mdadm manually when you're done with the precise update, currently using the one in proposed?
[17:38] <xnox> RoyK: no you wont. The one in -proposed will be promoted into -updates pocket, such that everyone will get it and it will be included in the 12.04.1
[17:39] <RoyK> thanks
[17:39] <xnox> RoyK: your welcome =)
[17:41]  * RoyK wonders slightly if bcache will make it into upstream kernel ;)
[17:44] <smoser> hm.. i have this utility http://smoser.brickies.net/git/?p=tildabin.git;a=blob;f=make-seed-disk;hb=HEAD
[17:45] <smoser> that i'd like to have packaged. cloud-utils seems reasonablel place for it
[17:46] <smoser> but it would add a depends on genisoimage (and probably a 'Suggests:' for mtools)
[17:46] <smoser> i was going to name it "cloud-localds" (local datasource)
[17:46] <smoser> anyone hav ea better idea than its own binary package of cloud-utils ?
[17:51] <smoser> utlemming, you want to do that^ ?
[17:51] <smoser> i cannot do it today for sure.
[17:52] <utlemming> smoser: yeah...I think I can give it a shot...are we thinking of a subpackage of "cloud-utils-localds" to the cloud-utils package?
[17:52] <utlemming> or just adding it in
[17:55] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-utils/+bug/1036312
[17:55] <smoser> utlemming, ^ i think a subpackage is best
[17:56] <utlemming> smoser: ack, we're on the same page
[18:47] <smw_> rk
[18:50] <zul> jdstrand: so how you would you handle that cinder.conf bug?
[18:57] <jdstrand> zul: well, I don't know the issue intimately-- seems we should be shipping our own cinder.conf or patching the one in source before moving it into place.
[18:57] <zul> jdstrand: i was thinking something like ucf
[18:57] <jdstrand> well, it does say this:
[18:57] <jdstrand> The root_helper option (which lets you specify a root wrapper different from cinder-rootwrap, and defaults to using sudo) is now deprecated. You should use the rootwrap_config option instead.
[18:58] <jdstrand> zul: did you you root_helper instead of rootwrap_config?
[18:58] <jdstrand> s/you you/you use/
[18:58] <zul> jdstrand: its in the cinder.conf for the new version of cinder
[19:01] <jdstrand> zul: you misunderstood
[19:02] <jdstrand> zul: your installed cinder.conf uses:
[19:02] <jdstrand> [DEFAULT]
[19:02] <jdstrand> root_helper = sudo /usr/sbin/cinder-rootwrap
[19:02] <zul> right
[19:02] <jdstrand> the error says that root_helper is deprecated. use rootwrap_config instead
[19:02] <zul> jdstrand: ahhhhhh....duh :)
[19:03] <jdstrand> so: s/root_helper/rootwrap_config/ in cinder.conf (doing whatever else you need use rootwrap_config)
[19:03] <jdstrand> heh, right :)
[19:16] <zul> jdstrand: okies fixed
[19:18] <jdstrand> cool
[19:21] <antihero> is there a way to have upstart run stuff as other users yet?
[19:49] <hdave> is Ubuntu JeOS and vmbuilder still actively developed?  I ask because the vm-builder launchpad site has a 20 month old download link and there also doesn't seem to be a JeOS 12.04 image anywhere... Just curious
[19:51] <RoyK> jeos isn't a separate iso any longer
[19:54] <ssvss> Hi, I have a hardware related query. can anyone suggest a server hardware under USD $500 to run ubuntu server in home.
[19:54] <ssvss> I am looking for something that is portable too like the box shape of mac mini.
[19:54] <Psi-Jack> ssvss: ##hardware would be your channel.
[19:56] <ssvss> Thanks, I will ask in the ##hardware channel
[19:57] <hdave> RoyK: thanks
[19:59] <cheez0r> ssvss: raspberry pi.
[19:59] <RoyK> ssvss: a bit hard to use sata devices on a pi
[20:01] <wrapids> How much ram should lamp be using without any traffic?
[20:02] <RoyK> wrapids: lamp is apache, mysql, php, and may be using variable amounts of memory
[20:02] <wrapids> RoyK: Yes.
[20:02] <RoyK> wrapids: for a small database, mysql won't be using much. php may be using a lot, depending on the code
[20:02] <wrapids> RoyK: That's assuming I have traffic
[20:02] <wrapids> which I dont.
[20:02] <RoyK> apache isn't that heavy on memory
[20:03] <RoyK> say, 50 megs will go a long way without too much work
[20:03] <wrapids> php shouldn't be using much of anything as nothing is being exectued. There are no queries going on in the db either
[20:03] <wrapids> Would the database size affect the mysql services usage if it's not getting any queries?
[20:03] <RoyK> once php starts running things, and mysql starts buffering things, say, 512MB should normally do well
[20:04] <RoyK> but then, you can't say unless you know the database size and the php code
[20:04] <wrapids> RoyK: Wouldn't running/buffering require traffic?
[20:04] <ssvss> Yes Rasberry Pi is not what I am looking for, I was thinking something close to the size fo mac mini in which I can have 2 sata disks
[20:04] <RoyK> nothing is buffered unless it is accessed
[20:04] <wrapids> I'm trying to figure out why I'm using nearly 512mb with 0 traffic, nothing being executed, no queries.
[20:04] <RoyK> ssvss: you can get some mini itx boards quite cheap with SATA
[20:06] <wrapids> hrm, after a reboot it's doing better
[20:06] <RoyK> ssvss: or pico itx or pc/104 or ...
[20:06] <wrapids> 188mb with no traffic?
[20:06] <RoyK> wrapids: is that RSS or DRS?
[20:07] <wrapids> RoyK: I'm not sure how to determine
[20:07] <RoyK> ps axfv
[20:07] <RoyK> top also tells that
[20:07] <raubvogel> RoyK: there is always cubox
[20:07] <wrapids> I've been using top
[20:08] <RoyK> top shows VIRT and RES and SHR
[20:08] <wrapids> mysql is using about 50mb idling, apache using about 25mb idling
[20:08] <RoyK> what you want to look for is RES
[20:08] <wrapids> Sorry, about 40 for apache
[20:09] <RoyK> should be fine
[20:09] <wrapids> It was running in the several hundreds before I rebooted
[20:09] <wrapids> free -m was giving me 11 free with only apache/mysql using above .5%
[20:09] <RoyK> resident or virtual?
[20:09] <wrapids> res
[20:09] <RoyK> free usually shows very low "free" memory
[20:09] <RoyK> most of the memory is spent on caching
[20:09] <wrapids> It was fairly accurate compared to the top results
[20:10] <RoyK> Mem:       8178284    8056176     122108          0     469068    6906568
[20:10] <wrapids> apache had 6-10 processes using about 5-10% each
[20:10] <RoyK> that's close to zero free
[20:10] <RoyK> which is fine
[20:10] <wrapids> according to top
[20:10] <RoyK> because you want linux to spend its memory on caching
[20:11] <RoyK> wrapids: seriously - if you don't have a performance issue, don't care about how much memory is spent
[20:11] <wrapids> RoyK: I do have a performance issue when it starts doing that
[20:11] <RoyK> does it start swapping?
[20:11] <wrapids> I have no idea
[20:11] <RoyK> how much memory do you have?
[20:11] <wrapids> 512
[20:11] <wrapids> It's just a dev server
[20:11] <RoyK> not a whole lot
[20:11] <wrapids> the problem is that it starts eating ram like that with nothing going on, I get very delayed response from the ssh interface
[20:12] <RoyK> no idea why
[20:12] <wrapids> hrm
[20:12] <RoyK> check the logs
[20:12] <RoyK> and check swap use
[20:17] <RoyK> wrapids: apache uses prefork with php, so each of te processes weren't using 5-10% each, they were probably sharing most of that
[20:17] <wrapids> ah
[20:45] <jkyle> I have some interfaces configured for bonding. I have to bring up each of the slave interfaces before bringing up the bond0 interface or it times out waiting for slaves to be available
[20:46] <jkyle> https://gist.github.com/3343969
[20:46] <jkyle> e.g. Waiting for a slave to join bond0 (will timeout after 60s)
[20:46] <jkyle> if I do, ifup eth2; ifup eth3;ifup bond0; it works
[21:03] <arrrghhh> hey all.  can anyone help me shrink an LVM partition?
[21:03] <arrrghhh> i booted a livecd and tried to shrink it thru gparted, but i guess gparted doesn't support LVM
[21:04] <arrrghhh> so then i figured i had to remove it from LVM to get gparted to see it... that hasn't worked out so far.
[21:05] <arrrghhh> i removed and added back a logical volume... and i have a feeling it's FUBAR now.  i can't seem to get the system to boot.
[21:05] <arrrghhh> is there a way to recover it, or should i just reinstall?
[21:07] <xnox> arrrghhh: what do you actually want to resize and what is it stacked on top of?
[21:07] <xnox> the whole chain
[21:07] <arrrghhh> so there's a set physical SAS disks
[21:08] <arrrghhh> then i have physical volumes setup, and logical volumes underneath it
[21:08] <arrrghhh> i'd like to shrink one logical AND physical volume
[21:08] <arrrghhh> then shrink the actual amount provided to the OS
[21:08] <arrrghhh> this is in an ESXi environment, and i'd like to reclaim a bit i've allocated
[21:08] <arrrghhh> i fear i've already done too much.  i removed the LV, and readded a smaller one - now the OS won't boot, and I'm not sure if it can be recovered.
[21:09] <arrrghhh> makes me wish i had snapshotted it before doing all this... oy
[21:09] <xnox> arrrghhh: you are doing it wrong way around
[21:09] <arrrghhh> OK
[21:09] <xnox> first you shrink the OS filesystem.
[21:09] <xnox> then you shrink logical volume
[21:09] <xnox> then you shrink physical volume
[21:09] <xnox> then you can shrink the partition
[21:09] <arrrghhh> my issue was #1 - i couldn't shrink the OS filesystem when it's mounted
[21:10] <arrrghhh> so i went to a liveCD, and that didn't support LVM
[21:10] <xnox> ok.
[21:10] <arrrghhh> (gparted doesn't support LVM rather)
[21:10] <xnox> in livecd you install lvm2 package
[21:10] <arrrghhh> ok, done :)
[21:10] <xnox> then you scan lvm groups
[21:10] <arrrghhh> yes
[21:10] <xnox> then you mount the logical volume you want to shrink
[21:10] <arrrghhh> ok let me try
[21:10] <xnox> then you start shrinking that filesystem
[21:11] <xnox> then lvresize the logical volume
[21:11] <xnox> or lvreduce
[21:11] <xnox> and etc. downwords
[21:11] <xnox> good night
[21:11] <arrrghhh> thanks
[21:11] <arrrghhh> hrm.  xnox are you leaving?
[21:12] <arrrghhh> i'll take that as a yes.  can anyone else lend a hand with LVM?
[21:12] <arrrghhh> i am trying to learn about it the hard way, as usual.
[21:13] <arrrghhh> i have a LV name of /dev/ubuntu/root in lvs, but i can't seem to mount it...
[21:14] <arrrghhh> anyone?  is the data still on the physical volume perhaps?  can i just remove LVM and use all the data on the disk?
[21:25] <arrrghhh> perhaps someone can help me with that?
[21:25] <arrrghhh> remove LVM, preserve data
[21:26] <arrrghhh> perhaps restore LVM down the road once i get more comfy with it ;)
[21:29] <SpamapS> smoser: hey, have we ever considered putting the cloud images into the archive as packages?
[21:29] <SpamapS> utlemming: ^^
[21:30] <smoser> SpamapS, no.
[21:30] <smoser> ther ewas a thread once on debian-devel (or maybe ubuntu-devel)
[21:30] <smoser> about "appliance" packages
[21:30] <SpamapS> We're trying to solve the "how to have everything cached for LXC on install" problem
[21:30] <smoser> i forget how started it
[21:30] <smoser> its just hucky
[21:30] <SpamapS> well the thinking is that users are used to downloading things with the package manager
[21:30] <smoser> well, we certainly want ot make downloding of those simple and "cached"
[21:31] <smoser> there is a plan for that.
[21:31] <m_3> oh do tell
[21:31] <SpamapS> and things like update-manager is pretty good at downloading in the background and stuff...
[21:34] <m_3> smoser utlemming: so we've been throwing around a couple of ideas...
[21:35] <m_3> doing nothing will result in the juju local provider being confusing to use (due to the initial "stealth" download of the lxc image on the first deploy)
[21:36] <m_3> one idea was to bust the juju package up into 'juju' and 'juju-local-provider'... the latter downloads the lxc image during postinst
[21:36] <m_3> with a couple of variations on that theme
[21:38] <m_3> smoser utlemming: these all suck...  I want an easy (or at least idiomatic to packaging) way to download images
[21:38] <smoser> m_3, i'm sorry. i really ahve to run right now.
[21:39] <m_3> smoser: no prob... lemme know if you think of anything pls
[21:39] <utlemming> m_3: when you say "package" are you looking for a pacakge that does the download?
[21:39] <m_3> utlemming: sure.. or even a package that _is_ the download 'juju-local-provider-data' would work
[21:40] <SpamapS> I'd prefer the package to *contain the images*
[21:40] <SpamapS> my reasoning being that postinsts doing downloads is counter-intuitive when we have *package managers* to do downloads.
[21:40] <utlemming> SpamapS: yikes....that would mean SRU'ing each and every new spin of the images.
[21:41] <m_3> good with the least sucky variation at this point :)
[21:41] <SpamapS> utlemming: MRE would be pretty easy to get given the contents are just the same packages already SRU'd ;)
[21:41] <utlemming> SpamapS: right now we spin up new images as needed, and next cycle we are heavily considering a 3-week new release cadiance
[21:41] <m_3> it might be able to live in a ppa
[21:42] <utlemming> SpamapS: what does a packaging of the image offer over a post-install that downloads and verifies?
[21:42] <SpamapS> utlemming: uniformity and discoverability
[21:43] <SpamapS> utlemming: its useful as a Suggests: in many cases (glance.. virt-manager)
[21:43] <SpamapS> utlemming: the download behind the scenes is very mysterious. Downloading a new version of the cloud images as a package is obvious.
[21:44] <utlemming> SpamapS: I not opposed to this, I'm just unsure about how to make this atomic.
[21:44] <SpamapS> utlemming: after you publish the cloud image, you run a package build including get-orig-source which downloads, dch's, and uploads the updated -data package.
[21:45] <utlemming> Spamaps: So if you update the package to a new spin of the images, then all of the sudden you have people that were wanting YYYYMMDD are now getting a different YYYYMMDD
[21:45] <utlemming> right, I understand that bit
[21:45] <utlemming> its want users are going to expect, and what they get
[21:47] <SpamapS> utlemming: its really more like the kernel than regular packages. I could see ubuntu-cloud-images-current depending on the latest cloud image.. but each one would get its own package (ubuntu-cloud-images-20120813)
[21:48] <utlemming> it would be worse than that....it would have to be ubuntu-cloud-images-<release>-<build serial>
[21:49] <utlemming> since not all images are build on the same day and the build serial is almost never the same between releases.
[21:49]  * m_3 nods
[21:51] <SpamapS> utlemming: I don't see that as "worse"
[21:51] <SpamapS> utlemming: just different, so each release would have its own meta
[21:51] <utlemming> well, its worse because this a manual process
[21:51] <SpamapS> ubuntu-cloud-image-precise would -> ubuntu-cloud-image-precise-YYYYMMDD
[21:51] <SpamapS> manual would be out of the question
[21:51] <utlemming> we are looking at automating all aspects of the builds next cycle
[21:52] <SpamapS> It should be an idempotent thing that gets run after images are published
[21:52] <utlemming> I'm showimg my packaging ignorance here, but is there a way to automate this?
[21:52] <SpamapS> utlemming: totally!
[21:52] <utlemming> docs?
[21:52]  * SpamapS points to the packaging guide
[21:53] <SpamapS> utlemming: all packaging is automatable.
[21:53] <SpamapS> you're just used to doing it the most manual way
[21:53] <SpamapS> because tht is less error prone
[21:53] <SpamapS> but if all you are doing is bumping upstream version.. very simple
[21:54] <utlemming> right, that bit makes sense. Do we give upload rights to bots?
[21:55] <SpamapS> debian/rules get-orig-source && dch -v 12.04.1-20120813 'New Upstream Release' && dpkg-buildpackage
[21:55] <SpamapS> something like that
[21:55] <SpamapS> utlemming: who signs your cloud images?
[21:56] <utlemming> that is an automated process
[21:56] <SpamapS> that key is pretty much entrusted with all cloud users' safety.. :)
[21:56] <utlemming> this is true
[21:56] <SpamapS> so yes, that would be trustable
[21:56] <utlemming> okay, so I am not opposed to this plan
[21:56] <utlemming> lets ping Mr. Rosales and talk about this next team meeting
[21:57] <SpamapS> utlemming: aye
[21:59] <Daviey> utlemming: uscan & uupdate also make new upstream versions pretty easy
[22:08] <Vamps-AFK> has anyone setup a PXE Install server with FOG? i'm got a question for those who have
[22:19] <zastern> What does it take for Ubuntu to automatically "discover" it's correct fqdn?
[22:20] <zastern> rather than setting it in /etc/hosts
[22:25] <arrrghhh> zastern, dnsmasq?
[22:25] <zastern> arrrghhh: so I have to use some sort of private dns server?
[22:25] <arrrghhh> zastern, just trying to think of how to solve that issue
[22:26] <arrrghhh> you'd need some sort of a DNS server in order for the FQDN to be automatically propagated
[22:28] <three18ti> what's the default username for cobbler on an Ubuntu install?  The communitydocs say the install prompts for the password, but it does not.
[22:28] <three18ti> I found a way to "define" the password, http://openskill.info/topic.php?ID=201
[22:30] <arrrghhh> three18ti, cobbler/cobbler?
[22:30] <three18ti> no love.  that's what all the docs for fedora say though...
[22:30] <three18ti> `htdigest /etc/cobbler/users.digest "Cobbler" cobbler`
[22:31] <arrrghhh> hrm
[22:31] <three18ti> allowed me to "reset" the password though.
[22:31] <three18ti> maybe there's a way to update the docs?
[22:32] <three18ti> (actually, it's all coming back to me, this is not the first time I've chased myself in circles following the Ubuntu cobbler docs)
[22:32] <arrrghhh> lol
[22:32] <three18ti> ;)
[22:32] <arrrghhh> never heard of cobbler before, just googled hoping i could help ;)
[22:33] <three18ti> from what I've read cobbler is pretty cool.  I've looked at a number of bare-metal provisioning systems and so far it looks the best.
[22:33] <arrrghhh> fancy
[22:34] <arrrghhh> just looked it up myself
[22:34] <three18ti> FAI, cobbler, linmin, OpenQRM (though openqrm is a whole 'nuther ball game)
[22:34] <arrrghhh> so based on the install guide, you set the password on install
[22:34] <arrrghhh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Installation
[22:34] <three18ti> yea, that's what I'm saying, the install guide is wrong.
[22:34] <arrrghhh> okie :)
[22:35] <arrrghhh> ah, i missed that line.  haha.
[22:35] <three18ti> lol. :)
[22:55] <arrrghhh> so can anyone help me save my LVM setup?
[23:03] <arrrghhh> *crickets*
[23:05] <zastern> arrrghhh: yes but I am using a public DNS already
[23:05] <zastern> with nsrecords etc
[23:06] <zastern> i wonder if theres a way to do it with public dns
[23:06] <arrrghhh> zastern, not that i know of, how would that work?
[23:06] <zastern> arrrghhh: no idea :)
[23:06] <arrrghhh> everyone populating their local DNS friendly names to the wide internet?
[23:06] <zastern> no
[23:06] <zastern> im setting it manually of course
[23:06] <zastern> i was just hoping there was a way for ubuntu to pull thast in
[23:06] <zastern> that in* from the dns server where i set it
[23:07] <arrrghhh> hrm
[23:13] <arrrghhh> crap.  looks like i should just start over.
[23:16] <arrrghhh> can anyone help me start over?  lol.  i just want to make sure my other untouched and fine LVM is restored
[23:19] <arrrghhh> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/recipemovevgtonewsys.html
[23:19] <arrrghhh> looks like that covers it.
[23:40] <grendal> ok i just need to be able to send an email from this server...
[23:40] <grendal> i have an account on an email server and an smtp server address to us
[23:40] <grendal> i would like to set up a smarthost...
[23:40] <grendal> i got to tell you the step by step configureation verbage in dpkg-reconfigure exim4  makes no sence