[00:00] <fryguy> storrgie: you can disable network manager if you want
[00:00] <storrgie> how do i set up wireless with wep?
[00:00] <kdog> djalmafilho, hi
[00:00] <storrgie> the place i steal wireless from uses wep lol
[00:00] <djalmafilho> my system clock is 3 hours later, how i can fix it?
[00:00] <fryguy> djalmafilho: set your timezone correctly, and/or don't get UTC mixed up
[00:00] <kdog> djalmafilho,  change your timezone
[00:01] <kdog> lol
[00:01] <djalmafilho> how i set timezone in command
[00:01] <matthias> no idea anyone
[00:01] <mib_q216db> hey whenever i turn my computer on, i have to navigate to the network connection that i use, type my password in and then it will connect.  im on 8.10
[00:01] <storrgie> fryguy: the thing that i guess im most concerned about is that network manager knows the mac of my interfaces... but when i edit the /etc/network/interfaces file i dont know how to put those in...
[00:02] <parkerhiggins> is there any way i can choose between gnash and swfdec if i have both installed?
[00:02] <whitethunder922> fryguy: looks like 2.6.27-7 actually did get installed but it wasn't listed in GRUB as an option, any idea why that might be?
[00:02] <fryguy> storrgie: there is a manpage for the interfaces file that highlights everything you need, and plenty of documentation from other sources.  Keep in mind that debian proper uses the same configuration mechanism so you can tap into that documentation as well
[00:02] <fryguy> whitethunder922: no
[00:03] <dmulholland> hey, does anyone know if they've managed to hack the changes Apple made to the iTunes 7 DAAP? So that other applications can read music from the share?
[00:03] <bastid_raZor> whitethunder922; whatever error you had probably stopped the installer before it could update-grub
[00:03] <bastid_raZor> djalmafilho; dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[00:03] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and know i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:03] <djalmafilho> bastid_raZor: thanks
[00:03] <whitethunder922> bastid_raZor: ok, so now that the updater thinks it's all updated, how do i get it to try again or revert if it can't upgrade?
[00:04] <fryguy> whitethunder922: try dpkg-reconfigure
[00:04] <bastid_raZor> whitethunder922; in a terminal run sudo update-grub .. see if it lists the new kernel
[00:04] <bastid_raZor> fryguy; fail
[00:05] <edju> network manager never recognizes that there is a wireless connection present.  I have to run iwconfig essid . . .   for it to work.  Any advice appreciated.
[00:05] <Berri> Hello Random people I don't know...
[00:06] <ConstantineXVI> !hello | Berri
[00:06] <whitethunder922> bastid_raZor: i can't find any program called update-grub
[00:06] <captainc> Anyone here use KVM for desktop virtualization? I would use VirtualBox, but I want SMP.
[00:06] <rootrot> Hi,the latest ubuntu update(im not sure which one because i didint look) has left my other computer without the internet and it crashes at boot time.
[00:06] <Jeremy93283> Hi
[00:06] <Jeremy93283> How do I format my SD card in ubuntu as FAT, NOT FAT32/FAT16?
[00:06] <fryguy> rootrot: probably easiest to reinstall old version.
[00:07] <bastid_raZor> whitethunder922; what did you type and what is the error.
[00:07] <mib_q216db> hey whenever i turn my computer on, i have to navigate to the network connection that i use,click it, then type my password in and then it will connect.  im on 8.10
[00:07] <bastid_raZor> fryguy; if you don't know the answer. DON'T answer.
[00:07] <ghost3> I have firestarter running and I keep getting request to port 43497 from LOTS of ip address..any ideal what port 43497 is? I googled it with no results
[00:07] <fryguy> bastid_raZor: I do know the answer
[00:07] <root> this the ubuntu channel
[00:07] <ConstantineXVI> ghost3: running a bittorrent client?
[00:08] <whitethunder922> bastid_raZor: i think i discovered the error... looks like 8.10 installed LILO and destroyed GRUB, so reinstalling now...
[00:08] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and know i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:08] <bastid_raZor> fryguy; so a reinstall is easier than fixing the current issue. right.
[00:08] <djalmafilho> how to works my broadcom wireless, i have kernel <IP_ADDRESS> with b43 and b43legacy module compiled!
[00:08] <ghost3> ConstantineXVI not running
[00:08] <kdog> !root | root
[00:08] <fryguy> bastid_raZor: that seems to be the general consensus for most hardware related issues that people are having because of the upgrade to 8.10, yes.
[00:08] <ghost3> root im usin
[00:08] <kdog> lol
[00:09] <ghost3> root im using ubuntu...thats why im asking if ubuntu is using port 43497 for anything
[00:09] <fryguy> bastid_raZor: 8.10 has rendered more than a couple of systems useless or nearly so after the upgrade
[00:09] <Guest77234> if this is the ubuntu channel can anyone tell me if ubuntu supports radeon hd 2400 cause i can't get it to work right on suse 11 kde 3.5 so i was gonna switch to ubuntu
[00:09] <chupy> please someone help me
[00:09] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and know i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:09] <bastid_raZor> fryguy; that i agree with.
[00:09] <fryguy> Guest77234: it doesn't seem to support it under 8.10, works on 8.04 however
[00:09] <KableKiB> next
[00:09] <KableKiB> !next
[00:10] <KableKiB> !pb
[00:10] <rootrot> how do i check what version of ubuntru im running?
[00:10] <ConstantineXVI> ghost3: AFAIK, ubuntu doesn't have anything open by default; pop open your BT client and see what port it's set to
[00:10] <something> has anyone gotten the madwifi driver to work on ubuntu 8.10?
[00:10] <kdog> rootrot,  uname -r
[00:10] <erUSUL> !version | rootrot
[00:10] <something> I've been using the ath5k from the backports but the connection speed is terrible
[00:10] <ConstantineXVI> something: for what atheros?
[00:10] <kdog> oh my bad
[00:11] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:11] <djalmafilho> how to do my wifi broadcom works?
[00:11] <grendal_prime> gnome blows
[00:11] <something> ConstantineXVI, I don't know, how do I find that out?
[00:11] <grendal_prime> sorry but it does
[00:11] <mib_q216db> hey whenever i turn my computer on, i have to navigate to the network connection that i use, type my password in and then it will connect.  im on 8.10
[00:11] <Jeremy93283> Can you format as FAT in ubuntu?
[00:12] <fryguy> grendal_prime: thankfully there are plenty of other options for graphical user interfaces to pick from.  Try one of those
[00:12] <ConstantineXVI> rootrot: system -> about ubuntu
[00:12] <Guest77234> ty fryguy i do appreciate the advice have a good night
[00:12] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: have gparted installed?
[00:12] <temppy> Jeremy93283: sure, just use something like gparted I think
[00:12] <Jeremy93283> Yes I do
[00:12] <grendal_prime> i like kde ive been using it for 4 years
[00:12] <Jeremy93283> But they just have fat32/fat16 coming up
[00:12] <Aeolien> Jeremy93283: That will work for you then
[00:12] <grendal_prime> mostly on pure debian
[00:12] <Jeremy93283> I want FAT
[00:12] <ghost3> ConstantineXVI bittorrent is listing on port 51413.. im getting hit after hit for access to port 43497 by lots of people.
[00:12] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: what do you need just FAT for?
[00:13] <temppy> Jeremy93283: I think those are fat, but are you talking about something unusual?
[00:13] <fryguy> ghost3: it's possible that you have a dynamically assigned IP and the previous owner of your IP was running bittorrent on that port
[00:13] <chupy> noene help me ¬¬ i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:13] <something> ConstantineXVI, looks like AR5BXB63 (AR5006x)
[00:13] <Aeolien> Jeremy93283: Do you want the original 12-bit version?
[00:13] <Jeremy93283> ConstantineXVI - SD card for my camera
[00:13] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: easiest way would be to have your camera format it
[00:13] <Jeremy93283> My camera doesnt detect my memory card
[00:13] <Jeremy93283> Its an 8GB SDHC card
[00:13] <Jeremy93283> It worked before
[00:13] <Jeremy93283> Now I'm trying to get it to work again
[00:14] <Out_Cold> how do i find my cdrom's /dev/ location?
[00:14] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: SDHC has to be FAT32
[00:14] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: maybe you formated it the wrong way
[00:14] <chupy> hey does someone see my messages?
[00:14] <mgolisch> some cameras expect the whole device to be formated with a filesystem
[00:14] <mgolisch> ie dont have partitions at all
[00:14] <ghost3> fryguy good ideal, I am on dialup...why can't I find info for port 43497 in google and no results for bittorent though?
[00:14] <temppy> chupy: I see you
[00:14] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch - Formatted it the wrong way?
[00:14] <Out_Cold> yes chupy we all see.... be patient mate.
[00:15] <chupy> ok sorry
[00:15] <fryguy> ghost3: bittorrent doesn't default to that port.  Most bittorrent clients pick a very high port at random
[00:15] <Jeremy93283> ConstantineXVI - OK I formatted the card as FAT32. My Ubuntu detects it, but when I put it in my camera it doesnt detect it, even when I'm trying to format it in camera it doesnt detect it.
[00:15] <napoleon> hi guys, i messed around with session properties, changing window-manager to something else, and now I regret it and want to change it back to default. Is there a way to get the default install session properties back?
[00:15] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: did you create partitions on it?
[00:15] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: do you have another machine running something else to check it in?
[00:16] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch - No i just formatted it
[00:16] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch - how do I add partitions?
[00:16] <ghost3> fryguy ok thanks. should I keep blocking that port or open it? :D
[00:16] <napoleon> oh, nvm. i just need to delete the .gnome stuff
[00:16] <fryguy> ghost3: doesn't matter
[00:16] <snolahc> Hello World !
[00:16] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: formatting it to fat32 puts a partition on it
[00:16] <ConstantineXVI> !hello | snolahc
[00:16] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: usualy you dont have to do that
[00:16] <Jeremy93283> ...
[00:16] <mgolisch> windows for example formats the whole thing
[00:17] <mgolisch> without creating partitions on it
[00:17] <orangutanonstilt> hi room
[00:17] <mgolisch> maybe the camera expects it to be like that
[00:17] <Lta> snolahc, exit(42);   :)
[00:17] <mib_q216db> when i boot up i have to navigate to and click on my wlan0 connection then give my password to connect, how o i make it automatic
[00:17] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: find a windows machine or some other piece of hardware, see if they recognize it at all
[00:17] <Jeremy93283> I dont have one...
[00:17] <mercutio22> hi
[00:17] <Biophile> I keep receiving an error when I install things: system-tools-backends
[00:17] <Jeremy93283> I have windows 98
[00:17] <Jeremy93283> Would that detect the thing?
[00:17] <devi> I will try
[00:18] <mercutio22> Am I the only one without animated progress bars?
[00:18] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: probably, if it detects any other usb drive
[00:18] <Jeremy93283> ConstantineXVI: I have a Mac and it detects the card
[00:18] <grizlo42> hi i want to set up my desktop to have different images as wallpaper for each workspace
[00:19] <ConstantineXVI> Jeremy93283: okay, card seems fine.  have you checked any other cards in that camera?
[00:19] <grizlo42> but i still want icons on the desktop
[00:19] <grizlo42> i can use compiz
[00:19] <grizlo42> is this possible?
[00:19] <mgolisch> if it worked before you must have done something different this time
[00:19] <matthias> hi, how can i know how my computer feels and if all drivers are okey for the computer ...
[00:19] <erUSUL> mib_q216db: install libpam-gnome-keyring
[00:19] <Jeremy93283> ConstantineXVI: I dont have any
[00:20] <orangutanonstilt> I've searched the forums but can't find an answer to a problem. My scanner seems to be getting 'stuck at one end of the scan cycle' i.e. it should bring the scan head back to the rest position but it doesn't, it doesn't finish the scan cycle either, the scanner however works fine under redmond, my scanner is a UMAX astra 2100
[00:20] <ConstantineXVI> matthias: does everything work?  the drivers are okay
[00:20] <Aeolien> matthias: Do you have Ubuntu installed already?
[00:20] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: but the exact same card worked before?
[00:20] <caiphn> What torrent client does someone recommend for Ubuntu? I'm running 8.10.
[00:20] <erUSUL> caiphn: deluge
[00:20] <fryguy> caiphn: i prefer rtorrent
[00:20] <mgolisch> deluge!
[00:20] <Aeolien> matthias: If not, try out a live cd. If so, simply try using your devices.
[00:20] <mgolisch> yeah or rtorrent + screen
[00:20] <mgolisch> :)
[00:20] <bsusa> hello
[00:20] <ConstantineXVI> caiphn: i like transmission, which ubuntu ships with
[00:20] <mercutio22> animated bars please! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines/+bug/18671
[00:20] <Out_Cold> how do i find out what my cdrom is mapped as? ie /dev/hdc or something
[00:20] <caiphn> Two Deluge, one RTorrent. ... and one transmission. Thanks for advice!
[00:21] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:21] <mib_q216db> when i boot up i have to navigate to and click on my wlan0 connection then give my password to connect, how do i make it automatic
[00:21] <erUSUL> ls -l /dev/cdrom*
[00:21] <erUSUL> mib_q216db: install libpam-gnome-keyring
[00:21] <matthias> ConstantineXVI:  yes but after seeing for a while on youtube the system is going slower and the cpu resourses used according to system monitors tells me 80 % and i can barely see anything in youtube without the screen is like lagging ...
[00:21] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch: Yes
[00:22] <grizlo42> oh and im running gnome
[00:22] <Biophile> I keep getting an error at the end of an installation, but the install works: system-tools-backends
[00:22] <grizlo42> not kubuntu
[00:22] <matthias> ConstantineXVI:  and the cpu fans goes in full speed when i have problems ...
[00:22] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: how did you format it?
[00:22] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: manualy? using mkfs?
[00:22] <Jeremy93283> Gparted
[00:22] <mgolisch> i see
[00:22] <Biophile> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:23] <mib_q216db> erusul.  ill do that, does it come with 8.10? can i just have it install auto from synaptic
[00:23] <matthias> Aeolien:  already installed hade similar problem in hardy, guessing gthe adobe flash player have to do with it but i am not sure ...
[00:23] <Biophile> should I be concerned?
[00:23] <bsusa> could someone please tell me which TV Tuner card is the best compatable one for Mythbuntu 8.04, and the remote control 100% compatable?
[00:23] <mgolisch> id try to intialize it with a new empty dos disklabel and format the whole device with fat32
[00:23] <erUSUL> mib_q216db: yes
[00:23] <mgolisch> some cameras expect it that way
[00:23] <mgolisch> and windows formats them like that too
[00:23] <Meshach> scunizi: How do you use gedit to create a script?
[00:23] <espacious> hello, i used to connect to my AP with my usb adapetr in Ubuntu since i upgraded(reinstalled) i cant make it work. it works via ndiswrapper and need a sis driver i setuped all right but when i try to manualy connect to my ap the network manager or better the whole pc frezes.can please someone assist me a bit?
[00:23] <mib_q216db> erusul why do i have to, what it it? thanks for the help
[00:24] <mib_q216db> is
[00:24] <Felyk> #ubuntu-br
[00:24] <espacious> ist an TrendNet TEW-424UB v.2
[00:24] <erUSUL> mib_q216db: it unlocks all passwords including the wifi one when you log in
[00:24] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch: How do you initialize it with a new empty dos disklabel?
[00:24] <mib_q216db> ok thank you
[00:25] <b3ta> hi,can u remove  apackage completly using apt-get?
[00:25] <grizlo42> i am thinking of buying a dell 530N, and I want to get a graphics card to go with it, since they do not include it any more cause there isn't support for HD yet.  what type of slot does the 530 have? pci, pci x16?
[00:26] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: overwrite the first 512byte with zeros then call fdisk on it and just save, create no partitions, then use mkfs.vfat -F32 on the whole device
[00:26] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:26] <Meshach> Does anyone know how to use gedit to create a script??
[00:26] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch: Are there instructions somewhere to do all this?
[00:27] <mgolisch> no idea
[00:27] <fryguy> Meshach: run gedit, write the script, save the file...
[00:27] <Aeolien> meshach: Don't forget to make the script executable.
[00:27] <peary> following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy using my remote shows up in the "irw" output but is not recognized by applications, even after using the lircrc generator
[00:27] <Meshach> fryguy: I mean using the terminal
[00:27] <Meshach> Aeolien: Thanks. :)
[00:28] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:28] <fryguy> Meshach: gedit is a graphical application.  What do you mean?
[00:28] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch: How do you zero out on ubuntu and how do you call fdisk on it and just save?
[00:28] <peary> Meshach, gedit doesn't use the terminal, try nano instead
[00:28] <James_UK> any grub experts in the house please ?
[00:28] <Meshach> peary, fryguy: Thanks for the info.
[00:29] <peary> !ask | James_UK
[00:29] <profanephobia> Hi all, I'm trying to setup mobile broadband over bluetooth and cant get networkManager to find the device
[00:29] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:30] <Aeolien> James_UK: What are you having an issue with?
[00:30] <James_UK> booting WinXP
[00:30] <Aeolien> James_UK: Are you trying to install xp over ubuntu?
[00:30] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: maybe easier would be to use gparted, delete the existing partition on it, then quit gparted, unplug and plug back in, note the devicename and thenn call sudo mkfs.vfat -I -F32 /dev/yourdevicehere
[00:31] <thomas> ubottu and all others: Does a channel exist covering ubuntu-eee?
[00:31] <Jeremy93283> ok
[00:31] <mgolisch> Jeremy93283: but be very cautious to make sure you use the right device, you might screw up some other hardisk or something if you use the wrong device file here
[00:31] <opiemsith1> can somebody tell me why the icons in the taskbar are sometimes replaced by blue squared in kde4?
[00:31] <kdog> ho do i use remote desktop?
[00:31] <kdog> how*
[00:32] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:32] <profanephobia> Hi all, I'm trying to setup mobile broadband over bluetooth and cant get networkManager to find the device
[00:32] <Meshach> fryguy: I tried to save a file in a folder owned by root and it says I don't have permission.
[00:32] <fryguy> Meshach: so then save the file as root, or save it to a different directory
[00:33] <fryguy> Meshach: if the directory is owned by root you probably shouldn't be putting things there
[00:33] <Meshach> fryguy: How do I save the file as root? Also, it has to be in the same folder
[00:33] <thomas> @all: Does anybody know a channel covering ubuntu-eee
[00:33] <fryguy> Meshach: like i said, you are probably working with the wrong directory because of some misconception you have.  to work as root, use sudo or gksu
[00:33] <Jeremy93283> mgolisch: Still nothing...
[00:33] <eviking5> i have a dual boot Win XP / Ubuntu 8.10 on my laptop. Now I suddenly need to be able to run Kubuntu 8.04 for a work project. I really don't need the Win partition anymore... Is it possible to install Kubuntu 8.04 without touching/ruining my Ubuntu 8.10 partition. And have dual boot Ubu 8.10 / Kubu 8.04 (and maybe a small XP)
[00:34] <Meshach> fryguy: How do I use sudo when I'm in the graphical application: gedit?
[00:34] <fryguy> Meshach: use gksu, as i just mentioned
[00:34] <grizlo42> ok well nvm then....
[00:34] <grizlo42> *sigh*
[00:34] <dimension128> Anyone interested in trying to help me troubleshoot why I can see the workgroups but no computers (including myself) for the samba shares? Everyone else can access my shares. Newly installed Ubuntu 8.10, samba and smbfs both installed.
[00:34] <grizlo42> i guess ill have to figure it out myself
[00:34] <Meshach> fryguy: I'm so sorry for my complete ignorance but how do I use gksu?
[00:34] <peary> Meshach, gksudo
[00:34] <kansan> desktop-igloo ~/workspace/emptyspace/vendor: svn propset svn:externals openx https://svn.openx.org/openx/tags/2.6/openx-2.6.3/svn: Setting property on non-local target;   needs a base revision.   ... how do i defeat this evil message?
[00:34] <peary> gksudo gedit
[00:35] <Meshach> peary: ???
[00:35] <peary> kdog, do you want to connect to a remote desktop, or let others connect to yours?
[00:35] <chupy> 3:13] Pantoja dice:
[00:35] <chupy> el k755 secret
[00:35] <chupy> [18:33:15] Pantoja dice:
[00:35] <chupy> el q sale en la tv
[00:35] <FloodBot3> chupy: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:35] <Meshach> peary: please go more in depth
[00:35] <peary> Meshach, in console type "gksudo gedit"
[00:35] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:36] <legend2440> thomas: #ubuntu-eeepc
[00:36] <peary> !es | chunger
[00:36] <peary> oops
[00:36] <peary> !es | chupy
[00:36] <thomas> @legend2240: thanks! :-)
[00:36] <Meshach> peary: Thank you it worked1
[00:37] <chupy> spanish channel dont help they dont know
[00:37] <peary> chupy, can you try to explain in english?
[00:37] <chupy> yes
[00:38] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:38] <peary> Meshach, glad to hear, just be careful since when you are running a program as root, it is possible to change or damage system files :)
[00:38] <kdog> peary, im trying to connect to my friends ubuntu system to help him out
[00:38] <rootrot> how do i undo the last update in ubuntu?
[00:38] <Meshach> peary: Yes, I am aware of that and am taking precautionary measures. :)
[00:38] <panfist> i am trying to get sound in mplayer. i know which device from aplay -l i want to use but i dont know the proper suboptions to put in mplayer -ao alsa:dont know what goes here
[00:38] <fryguy> rootrot: you restore your backup
[00:39] <[T]ank> is it possible to have a command that should be run by root be automatically run for any users that logs in? I would want it to be run just after they enter in their user name and password and their session starts up.
[00:39] <[T]ank> if so, how can i do that?
[00:39] <mwilson_> hey guys..   this is silly..  but I'm used to sabayon..
[00:39] <rootrot> fryguy: and if you dont have a backup?
[00:40] <mwilson_> why won't it take my password when going into superuse  (su command)
[00:40] <AkariChan> question; is there a way to back up the system with compression as an image other than the traditional tar method?
[00:40] <fryguy> rootrot: out of luck, short of manually grabbing the list of packages, apt-src'ing them and recompiling the previous versions and manually reinstalling them one by one
[00:40] <EJ> [T]ank: did ndiswrapper work out for you ?
[00:40] <mwilson_> I don't like typing sudo and entering password every time.
[00:40] <Meshach> peary: I try to open the app I just made with python and it's in a folder owned by root and it says permission denied...
[00:40] <fryguy> mwilson_: use sudo, not su
[00:40] <AkariChan> !backup
[00:40] <Meshach> Anyone know what sudo stands for?
[00:40] <fryguy> Meshach: super user do
[00:40] <[T]ank> EJ: wasnt trying anything with ndiswrapper. all of my devices work very nicely.
[00:41] <dimension128> rootrot: in synaptic you can use the force version option, if the older version of the package in question is still available.
[00:41] <Meshach> fryguy: Cool, thanks!
[00:41] <mwilson_> fryguy I'd rather not...   lots of commands and having to type the pass over and over.
[00:41] <peary> kdog, try internet -> remote desktop viewer, if it's not there install with add/remove
[00:41] <fryguy> mwilson_: so then sudo su
[00:41] <AkariChan> !cloning
[00:41] <mwilson_> lol..  that will work?
[00:41] <peary> Meshach, can you put the script in your home directory or a subdirectory?
[00:41] <AkariChan> !sbackup
[00:41] <fryguy> mwilson_: of course it will, why wouldn't it
[00:41] <eviking5> i have a dual boot Win XP / Ubuntu 8.10 on my laptop. Now I suddenly need to be able to run Kubuntu 8.04 for a work project. I really don't need the Win partition anymore... Is it possible to install Kubuntu 8.04 without touching/ruining my Ubuntu 8.10 partition. And have dual boot Ubu 8.10 / Kubu 8.04 (and maybe a small XP)
[00:41] <giacomo> helloo
[00:41] <fryguy> eviking5: yes
[00:41] <peary> chupy, ahh ok, keep repeating your question and hopefully someone will know the answer :)
[00:41] <mplsleprechaun> can someone tell me how to delete grub? i have a gateway laptop that had windows on it, i installed ubuntu because a friend told me about it. i didnt like it so i tried to reinstall windows and it says it cant find a compatible hard drive. so my question; how do i get rid of grub so i can install windows again?
[00:42] <giacomo> I've got a problem "Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries"
[00:42] <Meshach> peary: Unfortunately no, not without a lot of hassle.
[00:42] <fryguy> mstrobert: put yoru windows installation media in and run fixmbr from it's recovery console
[00:42] <cgillogly> question: anyone know why GVFS makes files read-only when i connect to a server using www-data, but when i connect to another server (using root because of the retarded previous admin) it doesn't do that ... the permissions on the dir and files i'm trying to edit from are correct, 755 & 644 (dir / file)... server is hardy and client is ibex
[00:42] <eviking5> fryguy: great. it wont ruin my existing MBR?
[00:42] <mwilson_> tis odd.  didn't reqire that for gentoo.
[00:42] <Meshach> peary: in my python script is there a way to login as root before opening the app?
[00:42] <fryguy> eviking5: of course it will, that's kind of the point
[00:42] <chupy> i have here 2 hours and nobody answrs me
[00:42] <peary> Meshach, idk anything about python :)
[00:43] <peary> chupy, have you been to ubuntuforums.org ? that is a good place to search and post
[00:43] <zafirex> Hey all.. just installed Intrepid, and now Xorg doesn't recognize a keyboard/mouse.  Can still switch back to terminal with CTL-Alt-F1.  Looks like there's no keyboard description file in /usr/X11R6.  Any ideas on how to reinstall the files?
[00:43] <fryguy> chupy: i was here 14 hours yesterday and didn't get any of my issues resolved.
[00:43] <matthias> what does this means: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x61
[00:43] <chupy> but maybe someone responf you XD
[00:44] <chupy> *responde
[00:44] <fryguy> chupy: nothing helpful
[00:44] <verne> www.planetwebspace.net/linux.html - anyone know the answer?
[00:44] <verne> its a question..
[00:44] <chupy> here nobody but i will wait
[00:44] <eviking5> fryguy: hmm. ok. can I just install the new distro the usual way, grab half of my XP partition and use for it, and after installation, i can boot into XP, 8.10 and 8.04?
[00:44] <fryguy> eviking5: right
[00:45] <mwilson_> thanks fryguy
[00:45] <eviking5> fryguy: great. thanks a lot for helping out!
[00:45] <verne> To mount directories automatically when booting (such as the home directories of a server), you need to make corresponding entries in the file ____.
[00:45] <verne> a. /etc/fstab c. /mnt/config
[00:45] <verne> b. /etc/mount d. /etc/rc.d/config
[00:45] <fryguy> verne: a
[00:45] <inflex> When the -hell- will Ubuntu stop messing with my Firefox paper size and margins! *ARUGH*
[00:45] <mercutio22> guys, my ubuntu does not display animated progress bars like every other ubuntu pc. Can someone help me find a fix for it?
[00:45] <ivan> does this look like vmware tools is responsible for the e1000 crash? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8413/e1000crashmaybese0.png < does that loo
[00:45] <inflex> Anyone else having troubles with paper-size margins on NON-US machines (eg, A4 paper)
[00:46] <Meshach> peary: Thanks for your help anyway. :)
[00:46]  * inflex sets his paper, margins... works fine until Ubuntu does a particular update and -wham-, it's reverted back to US Letter *curse*
[00:46] <caiphn> Hello everyone. Another question: I'm noticing right now when downloading media plug-ins that my transfer rates are awful, anywhere from about half a k to up to 15k a second. This is a lot slower than the other machines in my house, is there anything I should be checking?
[00:46] <manolo> on my wifi air station usb when start searching n connecting onmy local network the entire operation frezz ...any idea
[00:47] <profanephobia> Hi all, I'm trying to setup mobile broadband over bluetooth and cant get networkManager to find the device
[00:47] <verne> after modifying /etc/fstab, what command makes the system read the changes?
[00:47] <hellmitre> hai
[00:47] <Aeolien> verne: mount -a
[00:47] <hellmitre> verne, you just save the new copy back to /etc/ and reboot X
[00:48] <verne> thx Aeolien
[00:48] <hellmitre> hai
[00:48] <J-_> Currently I'm in Ubuntu 8.04 and can't view ustream streams. IS there anyway to fix this problem? It has happened to me once already on another install. Intrepid worked fine with ustream too.
[00:49] <Aeolien> Hello hellmitre, can we help you with anything?
[00:49] <J-_> I have flash installed.
[00:49] <zafirex> Any ideas on how to reinstall keyboard description files for Xorg?
[00:50] <hellmitre> actually, Aeolien I'm just trying to figure out BitchX
[00:50] <hellmitre> :\
[00:50] <hellmitre> sorry
[00:50] <fryguy> hellmitre: bitchx is old and development has stopped for it, you should consider another choice
[00:50] <panfist> does anyone know how i can recompile my kernel with a larger pagesize?
[00:50] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:51] <hellmitre> fryguy, what would you recommend for terminal irc client?
[00:51] <fryguy> panfist: download the kernel sources, run make config (or menuconfig), make the applicable changes, and follow make-kpkg directions to make a .deb out of it and install
[00:51] <hellmitre> I mean I use Xchat but this is fun and archaic
[00:51] <fryguy> hellmitre: irssi
[00:52] <hellmitre> alright
[00:52] <panfist> fryguy i will give it a shot
[00:52] <hellmitre> irssi is newer and more maintained?
[00:52] <fryguy> hellmitre: right
[00:52] <panfist> fryguy i am trying to build a raid5 array with 4x 1TB drives and 4kb seems like too small of a block size
[00:52] <chupy> i need help i compile the alsa driver and i dont have sound... know my sound card isnt detect how can came back when i have sound please help
[00:52] <fryguy> panfist: that has nothing to do with your pagesize
[00:53] <profanephobia> Hi all, I'm trying to setup mobile broadband over bluetooth and cant get networkManager to find the device
[00:53] <matthias> anyone know how to check helt on intrepid and find problems
[00:53] <matthias> sorry helth
[00:54] <csilk> *health
[00:54] <csilk> matthias, what exactly do you mean by "health"?
[00:54] <panfist> fryguy isnt the answer yes and no? you divide the array into chunks which can be a multiple of your page size, but you still have to put a filesystem on the raid array which can have blocks no bigger than the page size...right?
[00:54] <fryguy> panfist: page size has nothing to do with block size on a block device
[00:54] <panfist> fryguy i mean divide the array into stripes
[00:54] <ldiamond> I need getting my Ipod to work on Ubuntu 8.10
[00:54] <zetheroo> can someone tell me where the ath5k package is?
[00:54] <panfist> fryguy every where i read it says that the maximum block size of a file system is the page size of the kernel
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> !ipod | ldiamond
[00:54] <matthias> csilk:  my computer is dragging after a while of usage and i have high cpu usage on my dual core laptop
[00:55] <fryguy> panfist: that is incorrect
[00:55] <ldiamond> nice
[00:55] <ldiamond> google didnt help on this one
[00:55] <panfist> fryguy for example ext2 ext3 and xfs support block size greater than 4k but you must recompile the kernel with a larger page size because the default page size is 4k
[00:55] <Rolcol> Is ubuntu 8.10 supposed to be the newest software?  I see a lot of updates.
[00:55] <fryguy> Rolcol: no
[00:56] <caiphn> Anyone have any idea on this? When I first restart the machine, it auto connects to my wireless network and it shows the bars at the top .. then about 5-10 minutes later, the bars disappear altogether and my wireless usb adaptors light goes out
[00:56] <fryguy> Rolcol: it's a collection of packages that the maintainers of the distribution deemed stable for release
[00:56] <mib_rk5m9i> fryguy: What is the latest ubuntu you can get hands on?
[00:56] <fryguy> mib_rk5m9i: 8.10 is the latest release version.  There are beta versions for 9.04 floating around if you want to track those
[00:56] <caiphn> I'm running 8.10
[00:56] <csilk> zetheroo, not included in the intrepid repo I'm affraid
[00:56] <panfist> fryguy could you please explain because i am very confused now
[00:56] <mib_rk5m9i> fryguy: Thank you, i was looking for that 9.04 stuff.
[00:56] <Ajuna> For a new 8.10 kubuntu user, where can I found the package for screensavers?
[00:57] <zafirex> Any ideas on how to reinstall keyboard description files for Xorg?  Or other pointers on troubleshooting a dead keyboard in X?
[00:57] <skylarS> where is hostname stored?  there is no /etc/sysconfig/network not an /etc/hosts ...
[00:57] <zetheroo> csilk: thanks ... its actually a module ... and its in  linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[00:57] <fryguy> panfist: page size is a function of virtual memory management.  It has nothing to do with blocks of data on a storage medium
[00:57] <skylarS> where is hostname stored?  there is no /etc/sysconfig/network nor an /etc/hosts ...
[00:57] <mib_rk5m9i> zafirex: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:57] <skylarS> sorry for the repeat but the first had ambiguous meaning...
[00:57] <ldiamond> I need help syncing my Ipod using Amarok.
[00:57] <csilk> zetheroo, sprry, my bad. I was just about to say it is in intrepid backports
[00:58] <georgy_28> skylarS, : /etc/hostname
[00:58] <skylarS> georgy_28, nothing tab-completes host
[00:58] <profanephobia> Hi all, I'm trying to setup mobile broadband over bluetooth and cant get networkManager to find the device
[00:58] <skylarS> georgy_28, my bad
[00:59] <skylarS> georgy_28, thanks, I should have just used grep or locate I suppose
[00:59] <RyanPrior> In a video game, I want to redirect the letter "q" to numpad 7 since the game never uses q but frequently uses numpad 7, and the latter is a pain to reach for. Can somebody tell me how to do that?
[00:59] <panfist> fryguy: from http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ the maximum block size is 4k which is the page size of the kernel
[00:59] <GOE> hi people
[00:59] <GOE> please, could someone help me?
[00:59] <panfist> fryguy "So, XFS supports filesystem block sizes up to 64 kilobytes (from 512 bytes, in powers of 2), when the kernel page size allows it. "
[00:59] <[T]ank> anyone know how to make the live cd installation on a usb disk not prompt for language? I just want it to default to english and I am trying to find the file to edit to make that happen. Ive made all the other changes I want except that one.
[01:00] <zafirex> mib_rk5m91: Thx, trying
[01:00] <GOE> please could someone help about using 64 bits?
[01:00] <panfist> goe what do you need to know
[01:00] <GOE> yes please
[01:00] <GOE> I've now installed ubuntu 32 bits
[01:00] <peary> panfist, you are both talking about different meanings for "page size"
[01:01] <caiphn> Anyone have any idea on this? When I first restart the machine, it auto connects to my wireless network and it shows the bars at the top .. then about 5-10 minutes later, the bars disappear altogether and my wireless usb adaptors light goes out.. I know I just asked this, is there a forum I should try or another way to try to get help for this? It's a bit hard to search for this as there are
[01:01] <caiphn> a few variables involved.
[01:01] <GOE> but I want to use 64 bits
[01:01] <fryguy> GOE: so reinstall
[01:01] <Odd-rationale> caiphn: try ubuntuforums.org
[01:01] <panfist> peary well what other page size would require me to recompile the kernel
[01:01] <Aeolien> GOE: They are fundamentally different. Reinstalling is the easiest way to switch.
[01:01] <caiphn> Odd-rationale: Thanks.
[01:01] <GOE> I've seen on the internet some problems and incompabilites that it can bring
[01:02] <GOE> but I don't know how it's going these days
[01:02] <peary> panfist, fryguy was referring to the page or swap file, which does not really have anything to do with the kernel
[01:02] <GOE> I'd like to know if it has gotten better
[01:02] <fryguy> peary: no i'm not
[01:02] <Aeolien> GOE: A live cd is the best way to do that
[01:03] <panfist> fryguy so can you please elaborate?
[01:03] <matthias> anybody that knows how to troubleshoot in ubuntu like in my case the high cpu load ...
[01:03] <GOE> what's a "live CD"?
[01:03] <Dr_willis> GOE,  ive had very few issues with 64bit - i decided to test it out with the 8.10 release... cant say that ive had Any issues that i can even recall...
[01:03] <Dr_willis> !livecd
[01:03] <peary> fryguy, oh ok, saw you mention virtual memory
[01:03] <Sn0oP_ShAkE> "try before you buy(install)"
[01:04] <GOE> undersootd willis
[01:04] <peary> Dr_willis, the only trouble it gives me is with Java and Flash
[01:04] <skylarS> matthias, install sysstat
[01:04] <zafirex> mib_rk5m91: SUCCESS! Thanks :)
[01:04] <leotrimi> Enter text here.../join #albachat
[01:04] <profanephobia> Hi all, I'm trying to setup mobile broadband over bluetooth and cant get networkManager to find the device
[01:04] <GOE> actually I'm afraid of installing 64 bits and get high problems
[01:04] <matthias> skylarS:  thanks
[01:04] <fryguy> panfist: if you think you know more about the kernel developers and want to tune the page size for your system, then feel free to recompile your kernel and change settings how you want.  They are set the way they are for a reason; if you think you know better feel free to change them.  I told you what you needed to get the kernel sources, how to make changes, and where to look to find directions on recompiling it on debian-based systems.  Is there something
[01:05] <dewente> how to see an email in  Sent new password to: root@localhost ?
[01:05] <skylarS> matthias, and then iostat within that might help
[01:05] <zafirex> Now to find out if that pesky kernel panic freeze is still there after upgrading from hardy...
[01:05] <dewente>  Sent new password to: root@localhost ? how can i get getting ?
[01:05] <GOE> does is really have a better performance than 32 bits?
[01:05] <fryguy> GOE: no
[01:05] <linxeh> it depends how you defined performance
[01:06] <ldiamond> I cant get my Ipod to work with amarok, can anyone help me
[01:06] <dewente>  Sent new password to: root@localhost    how can i read that ?
[01:06] <FireTalon> login as root
[01:06] <FireTalon> and type pine
[01:06] <GOE> it's about playing some games
[01:06] <fryguy> dewente: log in as root and check the maildir for him using mutt, mailx, thunderbird, or any other mail client you want
[01:06] <Sn0oP_ShAkE> dewente 'sudo mail'
[01:06] <panfist> fryguy you were telling me i was wrong about what a page size is, not that i am messing with dangerous options. i dont want to prove you wrong. but if you are saying i am wrong then educate me please
[01:06] <GOE> Counter strike source, call of duty, quake...
[01:06] <unfo> hi all.  Does xterm come with Ubuntu, or only gnome-terminal does?
[01:06] <zetheroo> how would I know if the ath5k module is loaded and working?
[01:07] <unfo> GOE: could you please repeat your original question?
[01:07] <panfist> fryguy because i hardly want to go off and recompile my kernel if i my whole reason for doing that is based on a false notion
[01:07] <GOE> my processor is an AMD x2 5200
[01:07] <fryguy> panfist: for that filesystem it appears to be limited by some arbitrary kernel setting.  If you really want to go against all recommendations and change the block size, then do that
[01:07] <ubuntu> hola
[01:07] <unfo> !ops please ban ka2u
[01:07] <GOE> yes
[01:07] <zetheroo> anyone?
[01:07] <Belboz99> hey all, anyone here have experience with the Atheros wireless chipsets on 8.10?
[01:07] <zetheroo> Belboz99?: I am working on that at the moment
[01:08] <Belboz99> I need some help getting my wife's laptop back on the wireless
[01:08] <fryguy> panfist: we use XFS on multi-terrabyte iscsi-backed servers at work, and have not run into a scaling problem that warrants changing the block size from the default.  If you feel yours does, then follow my hints for how to do it and go right ahead
[01:08] <unfo> zetheroo:  please have patience.  And never say "anyone?"; instead, repeat your entire question on one long long line.
[01:08] <Belboz99> zetheroo: cool, maybe we can help each other out a little
[01:08] <zetheroo> how do I know if the ath5k module is loaded and working?
[01:08] <zetheroo> Belboz99: sure
[01:08] <GOE> I'd like to know more about 64 bits. Because I've seen on the internet people having problems of incompatibilities when they want to use 32 bits programs
[01:08] <Belboz99> zetheroo: try a dmesg | tail after loading the module
[01:08] <panfist> fryguy well if you say you use the default at work are you running multiterrabyte iscsi backed servers on ubuntu desktop? i doubt it. maybe your kernel already has a larger block size.
[01:08] <fryguy> GOE: so ask a question
[01:09] <fryguy> panfist: it doesn't
[01:09] <panfist> fryguy the issue isnt whether the option should or should not be changed, but you were telling me i had the wrong idea about what the page size was. do i have the wrong idea or not, because you have planted a seed of doubt in my mind now
[01:09] <GOE> ok then
[01:09] <GOE> I'll ask
[01:09] <unfo> GOE: yes.  I recommend 32bit Ubuntu, even if you have a 64bit PC.  It's simpler.
[01:09] <fryguy> panfist: you are right
[01:09] <dewente> hey people many thanks for all that answered !
[01:10] <GOE> ok
[01:10] <zetheroo> Belboz99: http://pastebin.com/m7d43ac05
[01:10] <Odd-rationale> GOE: i'd, too, reccomend using 32bit until your are absolutely conformtable with chroot and stuff like that...
[01:10] <DJ_Mario> whats the difference between 64bit and 32bit ubuntu
[01:10] <zetheroo> Belboz99: that is the output
[01:10] <DJ_Mario> other than the processing capabilities
[01:10] <GOE> I realize that everybody prefer using 32 than 64 due to compab.
[01:10] <Tyrath> has anyone run into this error before: using "DejaVu Sans Mono-16", pixelsize=16.67 file=/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSansMono.ttf
[01:10] <matthias> skylarS:  where can i find the program after i insrtalled it
[01:11] <panfist> fryguy the reason i wanted to experiment with a different block size is when i am transferring over 5GB the throughput is steadily 70MB/s until after 5GB has been transfered then the transfer rate steadily declines until about 30MB/s
[01:11] <fryguy> DJ_Mario: one is compiled using a 32-bit compiler for use on the i386 platform, one is compiled with a 64-bit compile for processors that support the amd64 instruction set (or emt64, in the case of intel chips)
[01:11] <zetheroo> Belboz99: generally speaking the wireless capabilities do not seem to function as good as in Hardy ...
[01:11] <skylarS> matthias, open a terminal and run $iostat
[01:11] <DJ_Mario> fryguy: yeah i already knew that
[01:11] <fryguy> panfist: disks aren't univeral speeds
[01:11] <panfist> fryguy i doubt that it takes 5GB of transfers to max out any kind of buffer effects on the transfer. then again i doubt a different page size will help either
[01:11] <Belboz99> zetheroo: agreed :(
[01:11] <fryguy> panfist: it won't help
[01:11] <mellery_> rhythmboxs internet radio and podcast downloading broke for me after an update, how can I fix it please?
[01:12] <matthias> skylarS:  no the sysstat ...
[01:12] <panfist> fryguy so do you have any idea why i have this repeatable effect of the file transfer slowing down after 5GB?
[01:12] <skylarS> matthias, fmi $man iostat   iostat is part of sysstat... i don't know what else if anything sysstat has
[01:12] <zetheroo> Belboz99: when I do lsmod I see ath5k there ... like this : ath5k                 106496  0
[01:12] <fryguy> panfist: because the disk isn't a universal speed, or possibly it's buffering a lot and you are running out of ram and/or disk cache. or the file is fragmented
[01:12] <ubuntu> hola
[01:12] <skylarS> matthias, what exactly are you trying to do again, I just got here
[01:13] <cables_malo> HELP! i sent my X her computer and her wireless dropped out! i cant go there to fix it
[01:13] <ubuntu> hay alguien que sepa español aqui
[01:13] <unfo> ubuntu: hello.  Please change your nickname.  /nick somenewname
[01:13] <Odd-rationale> !es | ubuntu
[01:13] <cables_malo> ndis was installed and working
[01:13] <ubuntu> ok gracias
[01:13] <cables_malo> now it sais no wlan0 is there
[01:13] <Tyrath> does anyone use fbgs?
[01:13] <Tyrath> !fbgs
[01:13] <try2free> hi, how to make custom paper size?
[01:13] <peary> mellery_, did the settings in rhythmbox get erased?
[01:13] <Belboz99> zetheroo: I have the same
[01:13] <DJ_Mario> cables_malo: i was just gonna suggest ndiswrappers too
[01:13] <Bling> hi
[01:13] <zetheroo> Belboz99: basically I am just trying to get the latest Atheros driver installed ... and I heard that ath5k was the way to go ..
[01:14] <andre_pl> I just got my hands on an 8.04 server at racksapce and it cme with a default encoding that is NOT utf8. I've tried everything I can to get rid of it and go back to just otf8 but its not working and postgres will not let me create any utf8 databases as a result. can anyone help?
[01:14] <mellery_> peary: i dont think so, all my music and feeds are still ther
[01:14] <Belboz99> zetheroo: yeah, I've heard similar
[01:14] <cables_malo> DJ_mario: the NDIS was working, but i was on eth0 (cable)
[01:14] <zetheroo> Belboz99: but aside from that I am on wireless right now .. and its working ... I just don't think its working as good as it could or should be
[01:14] <Belboz99> zetheroo: can you scan with your card?
[01:14] <cables_malo> at my house that is
[01:14] <Belboz99> oh?
[01:14] <matthias> skylarS:  i want to figure out what is causing so high cpu usage since the movies clips that i am seeing in youtube seems to be like freezing and the picture is out of sync with the sound in youtube ... and everthing else take like for ages to start when i have high cpu if that is the main casue or anything else ...
[01:14] <Belboz99> better than I've got then :/
[01:14] <cables_malo> i cant go there because she always gives up the puss and then i will be "involved" again
[01:14] <DJ_Mario> cables_malo: i cant think of anything else. sorry
[01:14] <zetheroo> Belboz99: yes .. my card was working from the start ... but it was unstable and dropped out frequently
[01:15] <Ashex> Does ubuntu use ~/.xinitrc?
[01:15] <fryguy> Ashex: no
[01:15] <Belboz99> zetheroo: last time this laptop had a wifi-connection it was estimating 1/2 hour to transfer 200MB of video :(
[01:15] <zetheroo> Belboz99: is your wifes card working at all?
[01:15] <Belboz99> zetheroo: not at all
[01:15] <Ashex> fryguy, what does ubuntu use instead?
[01:15] <Belboz99> zetheroo: it was before the 8.10 upgrade
[01:15] <skylarS> matthias, hmm sounds like video configuration issues
[01:15] <zetheroo> Belboz99: have you made sure that ath5k is not blacklisted?
[01:15] <Bling> how install realplayer ?
[01:15] <pawan> hi
[01:16] <fryguy> Ashex: xinitrc is used from running startx manually.  when using a display manager, there are session files located in various spots depending on distro.  If you want to use the equivalent of .xinitrc when using a display manager, use .xsession and, in the case of ubuntu, use the session for custom xclient script
[01:16] <ardchoille> !realplayer | Bling
[01:16] <matthias> skylarS:  i hope that that is the only thing have ATI mobility radeon x1400 and i have used envy to install the driver and i have the latest driver for my video card ...
[01:16] <Ashex> fryguy, thanks
[01:16] <skylarS> Bling, search "realplayer linux" download, follow instructions
[01:16] <try2free> ubuntu not support for custom paper?
[01:16] <pawan> not able to activate geforce fx 5200 drivers
[01:16] <Belboz99> zetheroo: I get a "resource temporarily unavailable" when doing:  iwlist wlan0 scanning
[01:16] <pawan> on 8.10
[01:17] <skylarS> matthias, envy is like a graphical installer or something?
[01:17] <DJ_Mario> anyone know how to monitor ubuntu during boot up? other than disabling status bar and reading text?
[01:17] <zetheroo> Belboz99: are you trying to use the default driver and module or the ath5k one?
[01:17] <Belboz99> zetheroo: every now and then it picks up the other machine
[01:17] <matthias> skylarS:  yes an installer for nivida and ATI cards
[01:17] <Belboz99> default
[01:17] <Bling> thanks
[01:17] <giacomo> hey support team, I've found a bug in intrepid! How can I help the community now?
[01:17] <Belboz99> zetheroo: we're doing an ad-hoc network, due to lack of Master support on the card in the Router PC
[01:18] <matthias> skylarS:  i suspect that the adobe flash player have something in it to .... i guess ....
[01:18] <fryguy> giacomo: go to launchpad and file a report
[01:18] <DJ_Mario> giacomo: suscribe to the Launchpad IRC and tell them or something like that
[01:18] <DJ_Mario> at least i think Launchpad has an IRC
[01:18] <Belboz99> zetheroo: that one is using a Ralink card, the Server / Router that is
[01:18] <skylarS> matthias, did you download from adobe or use package-man?
[01:18] <zetheroo>  Belboz99: in order to use the ath5k module you have to install linux-backports-modules-intrepid ... have you done this?
[01:18] <giacomo> launchpad irc?
[01:18] <Belboz99> zetheroo: yeah
[01:18] <zetheroo> Belboz99: should not matter what the Router is .
[01:18] <lap> someone know how to disable PulseAudio ?
[01:18] <cables_malo> has anyone had a problem with NDIS on reboot?
[01:18] <matthias> skylarS:  i used synaptic ...
[01:19] <zetheroo> Belboz99: I am going to reboot ... brb
[01:19] <cables_malo> NDIS was working, now there is no wlan0
[01:19] <matthias> cables_malo:  what wlan car do you have ...
[01:19] <Uplink> why does my GEDIT takes AGES to load?
[01:19] <try2free> anyone knows how to get support for printing under ubuntu 8.04?
[01:20] <andre_pl> Can anyone help me to get ubuntu 8.04 server to use ONLY en_US.UTF-8?
[01:20] <cables_malo> 8835 or something... i cant lspci because i dont have the box here
[01:20] <ardchoille> Uplink: You using a weird icon theme? that happened to me when I used the Mac4Lin icon theme but chaning the icons fixed gedit
[01:20] <skylarS> matthias, you could try purging that install of flash and going with the downlad from adobe.. last time I dealt with flash, the apt version didn't even work at all
[01:21] <matthias> skylarS:  thanks i will try ...
[01:21] <Uplink> ardchoille: yea lol
[01:21] <ardchoille> Uplink: you using Mac4Lin ?
[01:21] <matthias> cables_malo:  if you have broadcom you need to look for the work around in that case ...
[01:21] <Uplink> ardchoille: nope...
[01:21] <ardchoille> ok
[01:21] <skylarS> matthias, what kind of cpu/mem are you running with?
[01:21] <skylarS> or how much I should say matthias
[01:22] <matthias> skylarS:  dual core 2G with 2Gb mem
[01:22] <skylarS> Uplink, use vim :P
[01:22] <Uplink> skylarS: i do :)
[01:22] <matthias> skylarS:  something like that ,'...
[01:22] <skylarS> try2free, you have to find instructions for your specific printer likely
[01:22] <zetheroo> I am back
[01:22] <Bling> I want to learn to hack using linux ?
[01:23] <try2free> skylarS: where do i find it?
[01:23] <skylarS> matthias, def has to be video/flash issue I would think
[01:23] <try2free> skylarS: please help, because i need it badly
[01:23] <matthias> skylarS: something like that 2Mhz an 2 Gb memory, i hope so too ...
[01:23] <chainoo> #ubuntu-es
[01:23] <Belboz99> wb zetheroo, I'm compiling the latest ath5k now
[01:23] <matthias> skylarS:  have to go home, thanks for the help ...
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Bling,   the term 'hack' has gotten to be meaningless to most people - its such a buzzword these days..  Go learn to 'program'  is a better idea
[01:24] <ardchoille> dr:)
[01:24] <skylarS> try2free, probably have to use a google search for your model try: ubuntu model    ...maybe cups in the search
[01:24] <Flannel> Bling: There's a number of languages you can learn.  The best way to start participating is to find some software you're interested (or that you enjoy using, etc) and then see what language it uses, and consider learning that language.  A popular language to learn right now (with plenty of documentation) is python, there's two good resources: http://www.python.org/doc/ and http://diveintopython.org/
[01:24] <uND99> Hi"
[01:24] <zetheroo> Belboz99 if the module has the number zero with it does that mean it is not using any hardware? ath5k                 106496  0
[01:25] <cables_malo> ok... i have to explain how to spell "lspci" in her language and she has: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas]
[01:25] <wisnut_> anyone able to get wep, key 2 to work in 8.10 for a intelpro 5300?
[01:25] <Belboz99> zetheroo: I'm not sure
[01:25] <skylarS> try2free, what printer?
[01:25] <cables_malo> i installed it with NDIS and it was working... i know i connected to my neighbot
[01:25] <try2free> skylarS: i have driver from cups but not how to customize the paper size. i need for using it in wine. my printer is epson LQ2180
[01:25] <Bling> Well, I want to learn a programming language, but do not know what to chose ?
[01:25] <cables_malo> she unpacked it and it has no wlan0
[01:26] <fryguy> Bling: learn c, or python.
[01:26] <skylarS> try2free, ooo, do you have windows partition?
[01:26] <wisnut_> seeing wlan0, able to scan and see cells, but no connection. . . . .
[01:26] <tecnicodpc> Yea i Know what you saw
[01:26] <Sn0oP_ShAkE> zetheroo, the 0 means 0 other modules using that module iirc
[01:26] <try2free> skylarS: no, i am using wine for my application
[01:26] <Viflux> Bling: Learn how to program, then learn a language.
[01:26] <zetheroo> Sn0oP_ShAkE: so it could be working then ...
[01:26] <zetheroo> ?
[01:26] <skylarS> try2free, try asking the #wine people sounds like a tough problem...
[01:27] <Sn0oP_ShAkE> yes
[01:27] <skylarS> try2free, the printer works in ubuntu?
[01:27] <Flannel> Bling: this question is actually better asked in #ubuntu-offtopic, if you wouldn't mind moving there, it'd be appreciated.
[01:27] <lap> someone know how to disable PulseAudio ?
[01:27] <ardchoille> Bling: Python is really easy to grasp, I'd recommend that
[01:27] <try2free> skylarS: i try already, seems not responding. may be wrong procedure to ask?
[01:28] <Sn0oP_ShAkE> zetheroo, it atleast shows that the module loads fine
[01:28] <lap> i've done the settings in sound pref (gnome) and sessions (startup programs)
[01:28] <pawan> hi
[01:28] <lap> but i still get pulse* running
[01:28] <skylarS> try2free, might have to wait if not much traffic there, I'm a big fan of vmware
[01:28] <pawan> how to install compiz and how to automatically login
[01:28] <Guest43676> test
[01:28] <Guest43676> eekkk
[01:28] <try2free> skylarS: are you ever try to make custom paper size?
[01:28] <skylarS> lap, you might have to change your boot script
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[01:28] <bastid_raZor> +-g,l''';llkdd   y6 oo u; oib9oi  i ioioo o o vu/ivop5r
[01:29] <skylarS> try2free, not really, inside the box maybe but then -> pdf -> someone elses printer
[01:29] <Pici> bastid_raZor: finished?
[01:29] <DJ_Mario> ?
[01:29] <Bling> I want to learn a programming language, but do not know what to chose ????
[01:29] <seronis> question:  in both 8.04 and 8.10 when using the built in remote desktop feature i am unable to type parenthesis in any Wine program andim unable to do ctrl+shift+tab to reverse navigate windows.  it handles as though i merely did ctrl+tab
[01:29] <Belboz99> zetheroo: rebooting
[01:29] <skylarS> Bling, choose python and then go to off-topic
[01:29] <fryguy> Bling: you've already been told 1. some good choices for an initial programming language 2. the correct location to ask that question (hint: not here)
[01:29] <try2free> skylarS: and your customize successfull?
[01:29] <z3ro> hi, could someone confirm whether the ubuntu 8.10 cd includes the e1000e ethernet driver?
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> Pici; that was my daughter. i left xchat in focus while it was suppose to be firefox and her games
[01:30] <Guest43676> kk
[01:30] <FloridaGuy> how do i remove gnome...i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 to 8.10....now gnome is screwed up...so i want to uninstall and reinstall it
[01:30] <seronis> is this a known issue of the built in vnc server or is it my client ?
[01:30] <z3ro> I'm trying to find some livecd that has a driver for the ethernet chip on this laptop.
[01:30] <Pici> bastid_raZor: I figured you were cleaning your keyboard or a cat :)
[01:30] <skylarS> try2free, well, it's very easy to customize paper-size in LaTeX but I really don't know anything about printing... other than finding someone who has had nearly my exact problem...
[01:30] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: just remove the . directories pertaining to gnome in your home directory and restart gnome
[01:31] <giacomo> how can I print system informations to post on launchpad?
[01:31] <bastid_raZor> Pici; sesame street  games encourage my daughter to randomly press keys. at 2y 7m she is doing very well for learning on the computer
[01:31] <try2free> skylarS: thanks, i try in #winehq
[01:31] <Bling>   Thank you, I think I will learn python
[01:31] <FloridaGuy> fryguy, whats that going to do
[01:31] <skylarS> FloridaGuy, how is gnome screwed up?
[01:32] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: going to get rid of all of your gnome settings so that the defaults will be used/generated
[01:32] <Arthemax> ps
[01:32] <zafirex> Who needs random keygens when you have a 2y 7mo ? :)
[01:33] <woody86> how can I re-format a USB drive in ubuntu?
[01:33] <ardchoille> hehe
[01:33] <khaled> khaled
[01:33] <skylarS> FloridaGuy, what fryguy said seems legit heh you can use $ls -a to see those dirs
[01:33] <FloridaGuy> panel and window themes look just like windows 2000....if it open and window it either sitts on top of another or on top of the panel....and missing the title part of windows at the top..with the close ( x )
[01:33] <Dr_willis> woody86,  you mean delete existing filesystems on it? and create new ones.. or reformat an existing one? Gparted can do  either task with a nice gui.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> woody86,  or use the mkfs command line tool with the proper optuons
[01:34] <skylarS> FloridaGuy, and $rm -r .gnome* should do it ? fryguy ?
[01:34] <dns> no no ..
[01:35] <skylarS> well from the home dir in question
[01:35] <fryguy> skylarS: probably not. there's a lot of directories in your home dir related to gnome (there's .gnome2 in addition to what you mentioned to name one quickly)
[01:35] <woody86> Dr_willis- well, I just want to delete any information on it, and make a new filesystem if I have to
[01:35] <FloridaGuy> skylarS, what you just said should uninstall gnome
[01:35] <skylarS> fryguy, how to use reg exp to get them all in one line?
[01:35] <fryguy> skylarS: you don't
[01:36] <skylarS> FloridaGuy, so ls -a in the home dir to find them
[01:36] <Dr_willis> woody86,  it has a filesystem. :) if you want to reformat the filesystem gparted, or mkfs can do that.
[01:36] <FloridaGuy> i dont want to remove directory's..i want to uninstall gnome and reinstall it
[01:37] <skylarS> FloridaGuy, then I have .gnome, .gnome2 and .gnome2_private which can be removed with rm -r
[01:37] <woody86> Dr_willis- ok, thanks :)
[01:37] <WiredGuy> has anyone gotten the madwifi to work with WPA2 in ubuntu 8.10?  I tried using the ath5k driver for my laptop but it's super duper unstable and slow and it doesn't have support for the LEDs...
[01:37] <irpapabear> test
[01:37] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: doing so isn't going to have any effect. the newly installed version will still use your settings in your home directory, and you'll be exactly back to where you started
[01:37] <Dr_willis> FloridaGuy,  'uninstall/reinstalling' programs will not reset the users settings...
[01:37] <mttr> is there a mapi connector for ubuntu with thunderbird
[01:37] <skylarS> fryguy, Dr_willis thanks, I always wondered why that was so
[01:38] <Dr_willis> FloridaGuy,  'uninstall/reinstalling'  is the MS-windows 'method' that people have been trained to try - in hope of things working.
[01:38] <z3ro> btw, can someone also confirm the kernel version on the 8.10 livecd? I don't want to get the old kernel which has the e1000e corruption bug.
[01:38] <Dr_willis> skylarS,  if one thinks about it.. you dont want  the system admin by remoiving some program to be messng with EVERYONES home directory... :)
[01:38] <Dr_willis> skylarS,  rember Linux is a 'multi user operating system' from the ground up. :)
[01:39] <skylarS> Dr_willis, that's what I was just thinking about ;)
[01:39] <seronis> z3ro:  that was fixed awhile ago
[01:39] <FloridaGuy> Dr_willis, well then whats causeing my gnome to look like ms windows 2000 and windows to over lap one another or over lap the panel
[01:39] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: incompatible or inconsistent settings across versions of gnome in your home dir
[01:40] <Dr_willis> FloridaGuy,  as a test.. make a new user.. see if the issue affects them.. if it does NOT affect them.. then its an issue with your Specific users gnome settings..
[01:40] <FloridaGuy> and missing the top of the window where the close (x) is
[01:40] <juancarlospaco> delete all hidden files
[01:40] <Dr_willis> Ive noticed some video glitzes with compiz and the 'top' of the title bar on my laptop.
[01:40] <FloridaGuy> Dr_willis, did that lat night
[01:40] <z3ro> seronis: so the ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso is fine to use? eg includes the driver (and a recent enough version to not have that bug)
[01:40] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: 1. what were the results of doing that  2. why didn't you tell us this already/
[01:41] <ardchoille> FloridaGuy: the missing "x" is due to your window manager (Metacity) not running. and the lack of themes sounds like gnome-settings-daemon isn't running either.
[01:41] <wisnut_> new question:  why can i get wlan0 to connect fine through iwconfig but the "network configuration" gui does nothing?
[01:41] <fryguy> wisnut_: they use different ways of making a connection, it's very possible that one will work when another doesn't
[01:41] <FloridaGuy> ardchoille, where do i fix that
[01:41] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: we told you what to do already
[01:41] <ardchoille> FloridaGuy: open a terminal and type: metacity &
[01:42] <ardchoille> FloridaGuy: see if there are any errors
[01:42] <seronis> z3ro: fixed a month ago.  that version of the kernel was never in an official repo.  it was experimental
[01:42] <seronis> z3ro: the livecd uses the patched one
[01:42] <n8tuser> wisnut_-> also you can not really get wlan0 to connect with iwconfig, you have to use dhclient or ifup to make the connection
[01:42] <pawan> how to hide
[01:42] <pawan> desktop icons
[01:42] <z3ro> seronis: ok, cool. :) thanks :)
[01:42] <wisnut_> fryguy:  thx. . .i put key 2 config into the gui, but couldn't connect. . .once i forced iwconfig to a essid, it asked for keyring access, then connected
[01:42] <pd4> This happens every time I update: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[01:42] <pd4> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/dists/intrepid/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[01:42] <pd4> Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.-What do I do?
[01:43] <musikgoat> pawan: name the file starting with a .   like .hiddenfile
[01:43] <fryguy> pd4: change your software sources to not include cdroms
[01:43] <FloridaGuy> ardchoille, i get [ 1 ] 15358
[01:43] <yofel> hi, I'm trying to get 'WPA2 Enterprise' working with TLS in the new NM 0.7.0 but the 'connect' button is never enabled. Any help?
[01:43] <AkariChan> Hello everyone
[01:43] <jrib> pawan: you want to hide all icons on the desktop?
[01:43] <pd4> Thank YOU fryguy
[01:43] <musikgoat> pawan: sorry, my suggestion was incorrect
[01:44] <irpapabear> hello AkariChan
[01:44] <AkariChan> Quick Questoin: anyone experienced in using dd /dev/hda and pipe it to gzip?
[01:44] <fryguy> AkariChan: ask the question you really want to ask
[01:44] <AkariChan> i have many, thats why i want someone to tlak to me in pm
[01:44] <musikgoat> pawan: that will hide it from the file browser (nautilus),  which i find interesting, shouldn't the desktop support hidden files?
[01:44] <AkariChan> don't want to flood the channel
[01:44] <jrib> AkariChan: just ask one at a time
[01:45] <ardchoille> AkariChan: that will go much faster using PartImage
[01:45] <fryguy> well, i was using dd on block devices today at work
[01:45] <ardchoille> !sysresccd | AkariChan
[01:45] <AkariChan> ardchoille: it doesn't back up the whole disk
[01:45] <ardchoille> AkariChan: It backs up partitions
[01:45] <AkariChan> i want to be able to back up the whole /dev/sda block, not just a partition.
[01:45] <DanGJavaGeek_> anyone know of a guide to using ubuntu as a server (file, other) in a windows classroom computer lab?
[01:46] <AkariChan> whcih includes the boot block as well
[01:46] <ardchoille> AkariChan: you can use PartImage on each partition
[01:46] <ka2u>  I'm sorry. The problem was irc proxy.
[01:46] <Frogzoo> AkariChan: dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img
[01:46] <pawan> how to install compiz
[01:46] <AkariChan> ardchoille: i know but it does not restore grub
[01:46] <fryguy> pawan: it's already installed
[01:46] <matt__> What is a good distro for running of a flash usb drive?
[01:46] <FloridaGuy> ardchoille, on metacity &...it gave [1] 15358..that mean anything
[01:46] <ardchoille> FloridaGuy: no idea
[01:46] <AkariChan> Frogzoo: exactly. i wa sthinking piping it to gzip
[01:46] <Dr_willis> DanGJavaGeek_,  You may want to clarify its specific tasks.. and how 'in a classroom' differers from say.. any other use of it as a server. :)  Samba for fileserving to windows machines, ssh for terminal access,  and so forth...
[01:46] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: no it doesn't mean anything
[01:47] <raDeon> does anybody know how i can switch back and forth from full screen rdesktop on my windows computer to my linux computer?
[01:47] <AkariChan> Frogzoo: dd if=/dev/sda | gzip /mnt/mydrive/backup.gz
[01:47] <AkariChan> will that work ?
[01:47] <ardchoille> FloridaGuy: now try: gnome-settings-daemon
[01:47] <Frogzoo> AkariChan: yeah, I think that's legit - maybe throw bs=1000000 in there too for speed
[01:47] <ardchoille> FloridaGuy: now try: gnome-settings-daemon &
[01:47] <FloridaGuy> s how do i find out if there runing out no and start them
[01:47] <AkariChan> I know. but gzip will do pretty well with those padding 0s right?
[01:47] <fryguy> AkariChan: dd doesn't support directing the output to standard out, so you can't pipe it to another application
[01:47] <millertime_018> hey...
[01:47] <Frogzoo> AkariChan: should do, try it
[01:47] <raccoonworld> hi guys
[01:47] <AkariChan> fryguy: it does.
[01:48] <fryguy> AkariChan: so then your command would work, why are you asking?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Frogzoo,  i dont think  the BS option needs to be that large either.. theres a upper limit to how much of a gain you get for the sizes.
[01:48] <millertime_018> i updated from ubuntu 8.04 to 8.1 and it offered to remove outdated programs/packages
[01:48] <Tyrath> does anyone know how I could avoid this error: ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument (not a linux console?) ?
[01:48] <millertime_018> but i said no...
[01:48] <millertime_018> how do i do that now?
[01:48] <AkariChan> fryguy:  i am asking to make sure if it is exactly what i think it will do.
[01:48] <z3ro> matt__: I saw this article on hackaday... might be useful http://hackaday.com/2008/10/30/battle-of-the-thumb-drive-linux-distros/
[01:48] <DanGJavaGeek_> Dr_willis - thanks - I'd like to use ubuntu server to manage everything if possible (samba, ssh, windows domain stuff, etc.)
[01:48] <ubuntu> #ubuntu.es
[01:48] <fryguy> millertime_018: apt-get autoremove should do it
[01:48] <FloridaGuy> [2] 15375
[01:48] <FloridaGuy> [1]   Segmentation fault      metacity
[01:48] <FloridaGuy> mike@mike-desktop:~$ [1]+  Segmentation fault      metacity
[01:48] <FloridaGuy> bash: gnome-setting-daemon: command not found
[01:48] <FloodBot3> FloridaGuy: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:49] <Tyrath> does anyone open images/pdf files in console?
[01:49] <fryguy> FloridaGuy: try metacity --replace
[01:49] <Dr_willis> DanGJavaGeek_,  Samba, and ssh are trivial to get going.. No idea on the Domain Login./other stuff.. I would check the samba-doc package and the boosk in there.. Ive never done those tasks..
[01:49] <AkariChan> then, to restore the block device , gunzip -dc myfile.gz | dd of=/dev/sda
[01:49] <Tyrath> as in... so they open up in console
[01:49] <AkariChan> ?
[01:49] <raccoonworld> know the video overlay on consol mode??
[01:49] <DanGJavaGeek_> Dr_willis - will do, thanks very much
[01:49] <Frogzoo> Tyrath: acroread blah.pdf ?
[01:49] <z3ro> Tyrath: pdftotext --layout for pdf files.
[01:49] <AkariChan> Frogzoo: then, to restore the block device , gunzip -dc myfile.gz | dd of=/dev/sda
[01:49] <theGZA> how do i know what version of Ubuntu I have?
[01:49] <AkariChan> i assume?
[01:49] <FloridaGuy> segmentation fault
[01:50] <Frogzoo> AkariChan: zcat, but yeah
[01:50] <Tyrath> z3ro: I was hoping there was a way to enable formatting :/
[01:50] <ale_> ci sono italiani in chatt ???
[01:50] <Tyrath> z3ro: because I wanted the pictures to show up aswell
[01:50] <z3ro> Tyrath: the --layout option usually gets the formatting pretty good... of course, you're not going to see images.
[01:50] <musikgoat> theGZA: type lsb_release in the terminal
[01:50] <fryguy> !version | theGZA
[01:50] <caiphn> I just posted a problem I have to the ubuntuforums website. Does anyone know if i'll receive a response via email automatically when a reply occurs or if I have to change a setting?
[01:50] <ardchoille> interesting, I didn't know I had pdftotext :)
[01:50] <ale_> niente italiani mi sa
[01:50] <Tyrath> z3ro: yeh see the pdf files contain diagrams that I do wish to see
[01:51] <ardchoille> !it | ale_
[01:51] <theGZA> 'No LSB modules are available'
[01:51] <FloridaGuy> wouldent just reinstalling it give me a clean install of gnome
[01:51] <z3ro> Tyrath: I think there is some console image viewer though... based on aalib, iirc.
[01:51] <Tyrath> z3ro: I have a prog which can apparently do it, but when I try to use it I get the error message: ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument (not a linux console?)
[01:51] <bluechaos1986> hi, my wireless internet keeps getting d/ced. could anyone help me out? i have a d-link ar5413
[01:51] <musikgoat> theGZA: sorry, add -a
[01:51] <lap> someone know how to disable/remove PulseAudio properly ?
[01:51] <skylarS> FloridaGuy, not according to people who are more knowledgeable than me...
[01:51] <theGZA> edgy 6.10, mm
[01:51] <matt__> z3ro: Thanks!
[01:51] <z3ro> matt__: no problem :)
[01:52] <z3ro> Tyrath: not sure about that, it might expect a framebuffer console?
[01:52] <ardchoille> FloridaGuy: reinstalling would give you a new install of gnome, but that won't help if the problem resides in your gnome settings
[01:52] <Tristam> Intrepid apparently doesn't like booting from my clunky old scsi drive.
[01:52] <matt__> z3ro: Ever try anything like that?
[01:52] <skylarS> lap, you could purge it with apt if you never want to see it again... or you could just take it out of your boot script.. now where was that pesky boot script?
[01:52] <libervisco> Hi, how do I change resolution of console?
[01:52] <Tyrath> z3ro: is bash not a framebuffer shell?
[01:52] <lap> skylarS: yeah : 0
[01:52] <lap> skylarS: where it is ?
[01:52] <schnoowork> anyone know why my lamp setup might not be recognising PHP files if i have libapache2-mod-php5 installed ?
[01:52] <z3ro> matt__: nope, I haven't tried any of those before... I don't really use usb drive distros.
[01:53] <libervisco> oh wait I remember now
[01:53] <Frogzoo> libervisco: /etc/default/console-setup
[01:53] <fryguy> schnoowork: did you restart apache after installing mod-php
[01:53] <z3ro> matt__: but it might at least give you a comparison of a few of them.
[01:53] <libervisco> Frogzoo: in grub actually, but yeah that too :)
[01:53] <libervisco> thanks
[01:53] <schnoowork> fryguy, yes. It just tries to download the php file like it wasnt actually included into apache :\
[01:53] <z3ro> Tyrath: if you're running a terminal inside X, then no. if you're on one of the virtual consoles, then maybe (depends if it's setup or not)
[01:53] <schnoowork> but a2enmod says Module php5 already enabled :\
[01:53] <lap> skylarS: ?
[01:54] <skylarS> lap, let me try to solve this problem... I'm thinking....
[01:54] <musikgoat> schnoowork: is php5 installed?
[01:54] <z3ro> Tyrath: usually it's some kernel boot options to enable FB console.
[01:54] <ardchoille> schnoowork: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[01:54] <Tyrath> z3ro: I think fbi is supposed to work under X
[01:54] <basy> hi i'm looking for available repositary in slovakia.  i used ftp.tuke.sk but there is only /debian from now ...
[01:54] <z3ro> Tyrath: but I'm just guessing. the "invalid argument" error isn't very descriptive. so it could be something else.
[01:55] <schnoowork> ahh i see they use tasksel to install now :\
[01:55] <schnoowork> i just did it the old fashion way
[01:55] <ardchoille> schnoowork: so did I and mine works
[01:55] <Tyrath> z3ro: I saw somewhere that someone edited /boot/grub/menu.lst and set vga=<specific dimension> and it worked. But when I tried nothing happened. Is that because I have to restart to get the changed to take effect?
[01:55] <Out_Cold> can someone help me figure out why i get this dd error?? http://pastebin.com/m125c6cbd
[01:55] <ardchoille> schnoowork: did you read the Troubleshooting PHP 5 bit?
[01:55] <espacious> any help with that?
[01:55] <espacious> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=698883&highlight=tew424ub
[01:56] <fryguy> Tyrath: changes to /boot require a reboot to take effect
[01:56] <Tyrath> fryguy: ah k
[01:56] <[T]ank> I think that I have found how to remove the language selection in the boot menu from the live cd. I think it is in the file named bootlogo. I opened this in a hex editor, but I do not know much about editing hex. anyone able to tell me what I need to change to make the live cd boot up with english as the default language instead of having to make the selection?
[01:56] <irpapabear> your quite good at this stuff fryguy!
[01:56] <Tyrath> fryguy: any tips with editing the boot file because I'm scared I'll screw something up. If I'm not wrong a single # is executed still but a double ## indicates something is commented out
[01:56] <skylarS> what file says what daemons to start at boot?
[01:56] <fryguy> irpapabear: lol, i am not really
[01:56] <Flannel> [T]ank: If you just wait for it to time out, it boots with english.
[01:57] <theGZA> when i do apt-get upgrade it says "could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock" .. hmmm odd? i tried to pgrep for 'lock' or 'lists' but couldn't find it..
[01:57] <fryguy> Tyrath: no idea, i don't use grub so I couldn't tell you
[01:57] <irpapabear> is impressed...and taking notes
[01:57] <Flannel> Tyrath: no, any number of #s is a comment.
[01:57] <[T]ank> Flannel: yeah... but thats a pain... I guess i could find where the default timeout is and change it to 0
[01:57] <theGZA> err, apt-get update, not upgrade
[01:57] <Dr_willis> Hmmm...  I just got a popup asking for a temp directory..  from firefox it seems...   'NetX Open source JNLP Client"   Not sure if that came from the igoogle page, or what.. anyone seen this sort of dialog befor? it is some spam/trick or a Legit thing?
[01:57] <ardchoille> theGZA: close any other package managers you have open
[01:57] <musikgoat> theGZA: end syntaptic or any gui update managers if they are running
[01:57] <Flannel> Tyrath: You want to add vga to your boot?
[01:57] <Tyrath> Flannel: so why is half the boot file commented out then?
[01:57] <Flannel> [T]ank: No idea
[01:57]  * z3ro going to watch a movie while the livecd downloads... (yes, the internet sucks here :()
[01:57] <Tyrath> Flannel: I do indeed
[01:57] <theGZA> i have none open visually, musikgoat and ardchoille
[01:58] <theGZA> that i can see
[01:58] <theGZA> can i manually kill?
[01:58] <Flannel> Tyrath: The commented stuff (up at the top) isn't actually read by grub, but by update-grub, which generates the uncommented stuff, for GRUB to read.
[01:58] <musikgoat> theGZA: you can check the processes running with ps aux
[01:58] <skylarS> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit is where in ubuntu?
[01:58] <Tyrath> Flannel: ah k. so if i wish to add vga resolution i don't comment it out?
[01:58] <Flannel> Tyrath: so, near the top, you'll find a defoptions line, it's commented, and probably has quiet and splash in it right now.  You want to add it to that.
[01:58] <fryguy> skylarS: probably in /etc/init.d, ubuntu uses sysV style init, not bsd-style
[01:59] <Flannel> Tyrath: You want to add it permanently, correct?
[01:59] <Tyrath> Flannel: so defoptions=vga=<dimensions>x<dimension>?
[01:59] <Flannel> fryguy: We use upstart now, although are still more or less sysV compatable
[01:59] <Tyrath> Flannel: I guess. I don't know. I want to be able to use fbi
[01:59] <Awsoonn> I have an Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) that jockey tried to install automagicly, but it does not show up as an interface, please advise
[01:59] <FFForever> how come when the music app player is open firefox cant play noises :/
[02:00] <fryguy> Tyrath: no, it takes a single integer number, different numbers correspond to different modes, there is a lookup somewhere of which numbers correspond to what, maybe a manpage for grub, i'm unsure
[02:00] <skylarS> fryguy, you know what rc stands for?
[02:00] <Tyrath> Flannel: I usually comment stuff out that I change, just incase
[02:00] <fryguy> Flannel: note sysv STYLE init
[02:00] <Flannel> Tyrath: no, it doesn't quite work that way.  They're encoded.  Why don't you first do this: add vga=ask to the end of that, the line becomes: # defoptions=quiet splash vga=ask
[02:00] <Out_Cold> can someone help me figure out how come i get this input/output error with dd? http://pastebin.com/m125c6cbd
[02:00] <Flannel> fryguy: No, it's not a sysV style init. It's upstart.
[02:00] <FloridaGuy> someone just let me know what package removes all of gnome...
[02:00] <fryguy> skylarS: resource configuration is what i refer to it as, it's true designation is ambiguous however and there is no 1 correct answer
[02:00] <Flannel> skylarS: in dpkg?
[02:01] <irpapabear> why would you wnat to remove gnome
[02:01] <Tyrath> Flannel: and what's that do?
[02:01] <skylarS> Flannel, I am trying to find where to remove daemons from starting at boot
[02:01] <lexvegas> Hey, I have a kind of stupid question. What does the vertical line in help forums mean?
[02:01] <ethana21> My sound settings keep reverting in the volume control thingy when I close it
[02:01] <ethana21> mutes all the sound in, but it actually doesn't..  what's up with that?
[02:01] <FloridaGuy> right now..im in kde 4.1...
[02:01] <Flannel> Tyrath: well, that by itself doesn't do anything, once that's saved, do `sudo update-grub` and then it'll generate a new menu.lst based on the modified config
[02:01] <ethana21> skylarS: install bum
[02:01] <Dominik> I can download a driver for XFree86 4.3 or X.)rg 6.8 which one does Ubuntu use?
[02:02] <musikgoat> lexvegas: its called a pipe,  as in this?   |
[02:02] <ethana21> skylarS: Boot Up Manager allows you to select all services that load on startup
[02:02] <skylarS> ethana21, I'm doing it for the learning experience
[02:02] <lexvegas> yes
[02:02] <Flannel> Tyrath: What vga=ask does is asks you for your vga parameter each boot.  You'll be able to try a few, and then once you find one that works well for you, you can permanently make it use that.
[02:02] <lexvegas> what does it mean
[02:02] <Tyrath> fryguy: I saw someone somewhere doing vga=<number>x<number> and apparently it worked
[02:02] <musikgoat> lexvegas: pipe takes the output of the beginning and sends it to the command after the pipe
[02:02] <bulux> hi, i'm considering to acquire a PCMCIA device GlobeTrotter Fusion+HSDPA, is it supported by ubuntu 8.04?
[02:03] <ethana21> bulux: is there a particular reason you'd like to use 8.04 instead of 8.10?
[02:03] <fryguy> Flannel: the example jobs in upstart run the same scripts as old system-v init packages on the same events, using the system-v compatibility tools to generate runlevel events.  <--  It uses system v init scripts, therefore it behaves in a systemv style, closer to the ATT system V specification, and further from true posix. right?
[02:03] <Tyrath> Flannel: couldn't I just find the recommended setting for fbi somewhere?
[02:03] <theGZA> I'm on edgy 6.10 - it seems like the packages and support = gone... is there an easy way that I can upgrade to whatever the latest is? Hardy? Feisty?
[02:03] <johnnyg> is the software that runs brainstorm.ubuntu.com itself open source? If not, is there a similar open source software available?
[02:03] <fryguy> Flannel: maybe you aren't clear on what my definition of "style" is
[02:03] <ludwig> greetings all, is there an ibex ubuntu tool for configuring two monitors?  two different resolutions
[02:03] <ethana21> theGZA: Intrepid
[02:03] <n8tuser> Tyrath try vga=791
[02:04] <lexvegas> Okay, how do you type it into terminal?
[02:04] <matt__> Anyone have any experience with Slax? Does it have some sort of package management?
[02:04] <ethana21> theGZA: I'd do a clean install
[02:04] <skylarS> could lap just remove a line from a file in /etc/init.d so that pulse audio will not start on boot?
[02:04] <Tyrath> n8tuser: do you use fbi?
[02:04] <bulux> ethana21: the LTS version
[02:04] <musikgoat> lexvegas: on most keyboards it looks like a colon but longer marks, and its above the \
[02:04] <ethana21> theGZA: I think the oldest thing you can dist-upgrade from is like...
[02:04] <FloridaGuy> isent there one meta package that removes it
[02:04] <ethana21> ohhh, LTS to LTS?
[02:04] <theGZA> ethana21: Problem is... I have 3 main partitions.. 1 for windows, 1 for ubuntu ( ext 3 ) and the other is for.. boot or something
[02:04] <n8tuser> Tyrath-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258484&highlight=kernel+booting+parameters
[02:04] <musikgoat> lexvegas: shift + \
[02:04] <ethana21> bulux: you should be able to just run dist-upgrade in the command line
[02:04] <lexvegas> ok
[02:04] <lexvegas> thanks alot
[02:04] <Tyrath> n8tuser: ty - looking now
[02:04] <ethana21> or upgrade-manager -d or something
[02:04] <musikgoat> lexvegas: yw
[02:05] <Flannel> !upgrade | bulux
[02:05]  * ethana21 forgot 6.whatever was LTS
[02:05] <Flannel> ethana21: 6.06
[02:05] <luke__> whats up people
[02:05] <ethana21> luke__: we are very busy chilling.
[02:06] <ethana21> just listening to some rap, editing some images in the G-PIMP
[02:06] <FloridaGuy> !remove gnome
[02:06] <bulux> ethana21: yes, but i need internet connection, so i'm thinking to acquire the GlobeTrotter Fusion+HSDPA, but i have doubt about the 8.04 support, can you tell me?
[02:06] <skylarS> FloridaGuy, did you try th posited solution?
[02:06] <Flannel> Tyrath: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Framebuffer scroll down to vesafb section
[02:06] <nickrud> !purekde
[02:06] <ethana21> I can't, but 8.10 is a lot more likely to support it than 8.04
[02:06] <nickrud> FloridaGuy, ^^
[02:07] <bluechaos1986> hi, my wireless internet keeps getting d/ced. could anyone help me out? i have a d-link ar5413
[02:07] <FloridaGuy> skylarS, right now i would rather use kde.....i more a kde person
[02:08] <ludwig> any chance that anyone has experience setting up two monitors with different resolution?
[02:08] <Ajuna> Does anyone use KDE (Kubuntu)?  I installed the kscreensaver package but I can't find the settings for it anywhere in KDE
[02:08] <nickrud> FloridaGuy, no need to remove gnome, just log into the kde desktop
[02:08] <n8tuser> bluechaos1986-> maybe position your antenna differently?
[02:08] <fryguy> ludwig: all of my attempts to do this with 8.10 have failed, I would recommend going back to 8.04, which seems to have better support for this (at least given my hardware configuration)
[02:08] <Ajuna> I'm using 4.1
[02:08] <Dominik> Do I need drivers for XFree86 or X.Org?\
[02:08] <fryguy> Dominik: X.org
[02:08] <FloridaGuy> nickrud, i want to remove it
[02:08] <skylarS> where would:    /etc/inittab   be in ubuntu?
[02:08] <Dominik> fryguy: thanks
[02:09] <nickrud> Dominik, all drivers are included in Xorg, except for the binary ones from ati and nvidia; those are accessible through system->admin->hardware drivers
[02:09] <nickrud> !purekde | FloridaGuy
[02:09] <bluechaos1986> yeah i did that, but on windows xp it stays connected
[02:09] <bulux> ethana21: thank you for your comments, i really appreciate it
[02:11] <Dominik314> nickrud: I am trying to install Radeon 9000 driver from ATI for a Mobility Radeon 9000 card, I read that that driver works fine for that card under windowz I hope I get the same luck under linux
[02:11] <pawan> hi
[02:11] <Out_Cold> can someone help me figure out how come i get this input/output error with dd? http://pastebin.com/m125c6cbd
[02:11] <nickrud> Dominik314, try using the system->admin->hardware manager version before trying to install the one you download from ati. The provided one is much easier to install
[02:12] <Dominik314> nickrud: that doesn't suggest anything
[02:12] <pawan> i am getting firex updated needs to restart browser every time i start my browser
[02:12] <tomy> whiteline
[02:12] <tomy> hi
[02:12] <tomy> are u here
[02:12] <tomy> ?
[02:13] <tomy> can someone help me
[02:13] <nickrud> Dominik314, ohh, 9000, that one has decent support from the xorg driver. 3d and all, iirc
[02:13] <Dominik314> nickrud: and the open source driver for ATI just don'st cut it, I have 64 megs of dedicated graphics and I better NOT be lagging when I scroll through webpages, if I can't get my graphics supported I can't get Ubuntu supported, which would make me cry
[02:13] <tomy> help
[02:13] <fryguy> !ask | tomy
[02:13] <Out_Cold> !ask | tomy
[02:13] <tomy> ok
[02:13] <nickrud> Dominik314, I have a 8800gt, and it lags in firefox anyway. Everything else is fine
[02:13] <Dominik314> nickrud: you mean the one that is used by default? if so no its not decent, if it is not the one that Ubuntu installed itself, how do I get it?
[02:13] <tomy> jow to remove ubuntu
[02:14] <tomy> how to remove ubuntu
[02:14] <tomy> ?
[02:14] <fryguy> tomy: repartition your machine, remove the partitions for ubuntu, put windows installation media in, get to recovery console and type "fixmbr"
[02:14] <Out_Cold> tomy, why are you trying to remove it?
[02:14] <pawan> how to install opera
[02:14] <tomy> i will reinstall it in windows
[02:14] <KyTiX> lol I love how people are asking questions in the 1st person lol.
[02:15] <fryguy> pawan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[02:15] <Dr_willis> Out_Cold,  its reached the end of the disk.. its done.. it then exits with that message..
[02:15] <Dominik314> nickrud: that is unacceptable! I just can't belive that linux would have these problems, but I am told it is the fault of the driver, not linux
[02:15] <Out_Cold> follow fryguy's help
[02:15] <nickrud> Dominik314, that's the one.
[02:15] <tomy> where do i type fixmbr
[02:15] <ethana21> KyTiX: How else would they ask them?
[02:15] <KyTiX> in your boot up cmd
[02:15] <Dr_willis> Out_Cold,  if you use the BS=XXXXX option. it will copy much faster also.
[02:15] <Out_Cold> Dr_willis, with the input/output error as well though?
[02:15] <KyTiX> you might need your windows cd?
[02:15] <tomy> on the teminal?
[02:15] <KyTiX> no
[02:15] <Out_Cold> what would be the XXX's?
[02:15] <nickrud> Dominik314, that's an easy thing to get confused about. Linux is the kernel: everything else is applications. X is an application.
[02:15] <Dr_willis> Out_Cold,  its reading till it cant read no more. :) basicially..<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (4.0 GB) copied
[02:16] <tomy> i do but it aways says bootmanager missing
[02:16] <fryguy> tomy: like i said, put your windows installation media in, get a recovery console, and type it there
[02:16] <tomy> wat recory console
[02:16] <KyTiX> ^^ yeah.
[02:16] <Out_Cold> Dr_willis, but i only get 3.5 gb out of it..
[02:16] <Dr_willis> Out_Cold,  some block size ##. checn the dd man page.. normally its like 1024, or 2048 or something.
[02:16] <fryguy> tomy: the one on your windows installation media
[02:16] <Dominik314> nickrud: so is it the xserver or the drivers fault?
[02:16] <tomy> do i do it right now or resart my computer
[02:16] <KyTiX> tomy --> do you have your windows cds? that you used to install windows?
[02:16] <Dr_willis> Out_Cold,  I copy dvd's that way all the time. and never have issues with them.
[02:16] <Dominik314> nickrud: eitherway if I can't fix it it means no Ubuntu on this mashine, and id cry
[02:16] <tomy> yes
[02:17] <tomy> windows vista
[02:17] <nickrud> Dominik314, the driver is part of Xorg. that's why it's package name is xserver-xorg-video-ati
[02:17] <Out_Cold> copy dvd movies? like past restrictions?
[02:17] <fryguy> tomy: like i said, put your windows installation media in, get a recovery console, and type it there
[02:17] <KyTiX> tomy --> boot from them, then hit r after it loads, then typ fixmbr there
[02:17] <Baversjo> Hello! I'm having a problem with GRUB, I cannot boot XP up. Here is my installation order (did it all in one go); Vista -> XP -> Ubuntu Desktop. After that I repaired Vista using the DVD so I could boot it up. I'm now able to boot Ubuntu and Vista but not XP. I can see the XP-partition in the filsystem as well as the vista partition. How can I boot XP using GRUB? I'm also using KGRUBEditor
[02:17] <tomy> on cd
[02:17] <tomy> or ubuntu
[02:18] <fryguy> tomy: on the cd
[02:18] <Dominik> nickrud: so is there anything I can try before I try to forcefully jam a driver in there that will probabily not work
[02:18] <gustavo> Olá
[02:19] <KyTiX> tomy -> once your boot up your windows install cd's you can go to the recovery terminal from there. Then you type fixmbr there. simple as pie.
[02:19] <nickrud> Dominik, there's a paper floating around about optimizing those older cards, I've been googling but haven't run across it yet
[02:19] <gustavo> essa lista é internacional?
[02:19] <Arthemax> hi
[02:19] <tomy> wats that mean?
[02:19] <gustavo> tem algum brazuca na área?
[02:19] <tomy> ok
[02:19] <tomy> ganna restart my computer
[02:19] <tomy> ?
[02:19] <KyTiX> yes
[02:19] <Flannel> !br | gustavo
[02:19] <Arthemax> i installed ubuntu a couple of days ago, but when I logged in today, I'm suddenly not sudo anymore :(
[02:19] <KyTiX> with windows cd's in
[02:20] <gustavo> valeu
[02:20] <ethana21> Arthemax: you mean you're not in the sudoers group?
[02:20] <Flannel> Arthemax: What output do you get from the `groups` command?
[02:20] <ethana21> It won't let your user use sudo?
[02:20] <caiphn> I just posted a problem I have to the ubuntuforums website. Does anyone know if i'll receive a response via email automatically when a reply occurs or if I have to change a setting?
[02:20] <fryguy> caiphn: why not just go and review your settings and see?
[02:20] <ethana21> caiphn: make sure you're subscribed to the thread you posted
[02:20] <Flannel> caiphn: #ubuntuforums is the place to ask
[02:20] <Arthemax> magne adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin sambashare cedega
[02:20] <KyTiX> caiphn: agree with fryguy :)
[02:21] <naphelge> isn't xubuntu-desktop available in the 8.10 repos? i don't see it
[02:21] <Flannel> Arthemax: Correct.  You're not in the admin group.
[02:21] <boog> Hi, is anyone available to help me atm?
[02:21] <fryguy> !ask | boog
[02:21] <boog> Hi is anyone available to help me atm?
[02:21] <ethana21> boog: state your question and we'll see
[02:21] <Flannel> naphelge: It is.  It's in universe.
[02:21] <Baversjo> Hello! I'm having a problem with GRUB, I cannot boot XP up. Here is my installation order (did it all in one go); Vista -> XP -> Ubuntu Desktop. After that I repaired Vista using the DVD so I could boot it up. I'm now able to boot Ubuntu and Vista but not XP. I can see the XP-partition in the filsystem as well as the vista partition. How can I boot XP using GRUB? I'm also using KGRUBEditor. (Sorry for doublepost)
[02:21] <Arthemax> Flannel: but i was yesterday.
[02:21] <Tyrath> alright thanks heaps people fbgs now works!!!!
[02:22] <boog> Im going to blast my laptop and i was wondering if there is a way to save all my configuration and settings so i can just paste it back to my new ubuntu
[02:22] <Tyrath> infact fbi as a whole now works
[02:22] <naphelge> ok i just installed ubuntu & aptitude search xubuntu-desktop came up with nuthing... hrmmm i see kubuntu-desktop nps
[02:22] <Flannel> Arthemax: Do you have any other users?  Were you playing with anything group related?  with cedega?
[02:22] <Tyrath> vga=791 fixed it perfectly
[02:22] <KyTiX> Baversjo -> so you have partioned your hd 3 times correct?
[02:22] <Flannel> naphelge: You need to update.  sudo apt-get update
[02:22] <caiphn> I'm not sure what the name of that particular option is.
[02:22] <fryguy> boog: backup your /home directory, that contains all of your user settings for the applications that you run
[02:22] <Baversjo> KyTiX: Yes
[02:22] <Tyrath> the only setback is for some weird reason when I boot up the ubuntu progress bar and everything is shifted over to the right hand side of the screen. is that suppose to happen?
[02:22] <naphelge> Flannel.. okies i haven't done update/upgrade yet
[02:22] <boog> fryguy, will it also save the config for cf? \
[02:22] <Tyrath> - or does that just happen on the first boot?
[02:22] <naphelge> thanx
[02:23] <KyTiX> Baver -> what does it say when you try to start xp? or is it even showing up?
[02:23] <fryguy> boog: cf?
[02:23] <kthef> I always backup my home, etc, folders
[02:23] <nickrud> Baversjo, first thing I'd do is clone the vista boot stanza in grub, but point it at the xp partition (hdx,x)
[02:23] <Flannel> naphelge: when you update, you'll get the list of packages from the internet.  Right now, you don't know about them.
[02:23] <boog> fryguy, compiz fusion?
[02:23] <Arthemax> No other users. I did look a bit in the users and groups options, but i'm quite sure i didn't edit anything there.
[02:23] <fryguy> boog: yes
[02:23] <pogztimz> i plugged a 100GB Mass Storage on Ubuntu 8.04, how can make use of it? i,m planning to share it with the network?
[02:23] <Baversjo> KyTiX: I don't get it shown in GRUB at all
[02:23] <boog> fryguy, and xmms?
[02:23] <n8tuser> Tyrath-> your monitor has an adjustments itself, put them in auto mode
[02:23] <fryguy> boog: yes, all of the applications you use, the settings are stored in your home directory
[02:23] <Tyrath> n8tuser: how do I do that?
[02:23] <KyTiX> Baversjo -> let me check something first 1 sec.
[02:23] <n8tuser> Tyrath-> press menu ?
[02:24] <boog> fryguy, ty so much, just one more question , how can i view my saved links of websites?
[02:24]  * Tyrath doesn't understand
[02:24] <Flannel> Arthemax: Apparently you've removed yourself from the admin group.  But this is fixable.  Reboot to the recovery console (hit escape to see the grub menu, choose recovery console) then adduser username admin (where "username" is the username of your user) then `init 2` will get you to a regular GUI boot
[02:24] <n8tuser> Tyrath then pull out the manual for your monitor
[02:24] <fryguy> boog: there should be a bookmarks file in ~/.mozilla somewhere
 hi, i plugged a 100GB Mass Storage on Ubuntu 8.04, how can make use of it? i,m planning to share it with the network?
[02:24] <Arthemax> Flannel: Ok. Thank you :)
[02:24] <Tyrath> n8tuser: you're talking using the xserver yeah?
[02:24] <Baversjo> nickrud: Vista is (hd0,0), how would i clone it?
[02:24] <Dominik> is there an application that clears out the memory? for example when I close tabs in firefox memory doesn't become available imidiatly
[02:25] <fryguy> Dominik: the linux kernel will allocate memory as is necessary
[02:25] <n8tuser> Tyrath-> you pulled out the monitor manual yeah?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> Dominik,  linux will clear it out when its needed...
[02:25] <boog> fryguy, well thankyou alot tho,
[02:25] <bulux> anyone can direct me or tell me how to set up GT Fusion+HSDPA PCMCIA modem in ubuntu 8.04?
[02:25] <Tyrath> n8tuser: you mean man monitor?
[02:26] <Tyrath> n8tuser: apparently there's no manual entry for monitor
[02:26] <n8tuser> Tyrath-> nope, a hard copy , look into how you configure it, so it can auto adjust
[02:26] <KyTiX> Baversjo -> have you tried editing your menu.lst?
[02:26] <think_linux> hello....how do i update ubuntu without restarting every time??
[02:26] <Tyrath> n8tuser: where do I find that?
[02:26] <fryguy> think_linux: the only time a restart is required is when a new kernel or kernel modules are installed.  This is an uncommon occurrent
[02:26] <fryguy> occurence*
[02:26] <Dr_willis> think_linux,  reboots are only needed to apply kernel updates. which are not 'everytime' :
[02:26] <Tyrath> n8tuser: oh wait don't worry I just found it
[02:27] <ardchoille> When I installed the nvidia drivers a month ago using the Hardware Drivers tool, it made my tty's all blank. I now have a new machine and want the nvidia drivers. Has this been fixed yet?
[02:27] <think_linux> ok i see!
[02:27] <think_linux> :)
[02:27] <tomy> a
[02:27] <tomy> it dosent work
[02:27] <Dominik> Dr_willis: fryguy: this is what I don't get, I have two mashines running Ubuntu, the first is using 400 megs of memory but only running FF3 with three tabs, Pidgin, and Htop, the second is running FF3 with 20 tabs, Pidgin, Htop, Terminal but only uses 320 megs of ram, how is that possible? the mashine that is using only 320 megs has 1 gig installed so it wouldn't have a problem with more, but the mashine with 400 megs only has 469 megs
[02:27] <pogztimz> i plugged a 100GB Mass Storage on Ubuntu 8.04, but i cant see it?
[02:27] <pogztimz> anyone pls
[02:27] <tomy> can i just make a windows boot disc
[02:27] <KyTiX> ardchoille: try installing from command line this time.
[02:27] <Baversjo> KyTiX: No. I have no experience in this area :P I'm trying to use the GRUB editor but when I create a new entire the partition doesn't show up in the suggestions
[02:27] <fryguy> Dominik: different usage patterns yield different amounts of ram usage
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Dominik,  unused ram - gets used as cache.. and released when its needed..  dont worry about the  ram ussage.. thats your 'windows training' kicking in. :)
[02:28] <ardchoille> KyTiX: that does the same thing. I think the problem is with the driver itself
[02:28] <tomy> how can i removw ubuntu
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Dominik,  you rarely hear linux users worry/talk about tweaking their ram ussage
[02:28] <Dominik> fryguy: Dr_willis: sketchy...
[02:28] <fryguy> tomy: what is wrong with the directions you were previously given
[02:28] <Tyrath> n8tuser: nope the help files just say to use the applet
[02:28] <tomy> it dosent work
[02:28] <pawan> firefox error message ur browser needs to be restarted every time
[02:28] <Kudi> Can someone help me with This last question for CIS?: Explain the naming conventions used to identify Internet host name computers
[02:28] <fryguy> tomy: what didn't work about it
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Dominik,  time to google./read up on memory ussage in linux I guess.. its not an issue.
[02:29] <Dominik> Dr_willis: I had to tweak my swapiness : P
[02:29] <Flannel> !doesntwork | tomy
[02:29] <KyTiX> Baversjo: Boot up in grub and pick edit settings and see if you can add windows.
[02:29] <Tyrath> n8tuser: but the thing is I don't know where the applet it
[02:29] <Dr_willis> Dominik,  i dont even touch  swap that i notice.. :)
[02:29] <n8tuser> Tyrath-> look for button called menu on your monitor, look in the back, front, underneath, top, where ever
[02:29] <nickrud> Baversjo, was away for a bit; did you get an answer?
[02:29] <Baversjo> KyTiX: Ok brb :)
[02:29] <tomy> it
[02:29] <Dr_willis> Oh wait im using 50K of swap now! egads! reboot!
[02:29] <KyTiX> ardchoille -> Whats the exact video card you have?
[02:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:29] <fryguy> Kudi: DNS recursive search through domains, blah blah blah.  not going to do your homework for you, but that should get you started
[02:29] <Kudi> an someone help me with This last question for CIS?: Explain the naming conventions used to identify Internet host name computers
[02:29] <pogztimz> anyone pls tell me how to acces the 100GB i just pluggen in the usb?
[02:30] <ardchoille> KyTiX: nvidia GeForce 6200
[02:30] <fryguy> pogztimz: probably in /media
[02:30] <Flannel> Kudi: #ubuntu-offtopic, not here, thanks
[02:30] <Baversjo> nickrud: Not sure, but I'm going to try to add it in the grub loader, BRB :)
[02:30] <Dr_willis> pogztimz,  mount it.. access it..  check dmesg to see where its at...
[02:30] <think_linux> kudi : is that a test question? lol
[02:30] <Ajuna> Does ubuntu compile their kernels with the high memory option for 32-bit limitation on 3GB of RAM?
[02:30] <Dr_willis> pogztimz,  check places -> computer ->  to see if its there
[02:30] <KyTiX> ardchoille: is it like a XXX edition or something?
[02:30] <ardchoille> KyTiX: I think it's nvidia-glx-177
[02:30] <Flannel> Ajuna: Only the server kernel has PAE
[02:30] <nickrud> Baversjo, before you do, maybe we can identify what partition you should point at
[02:30] <Kudi> lol no homework
[02:30] <Dr_willis> pogztimz,  if its ntfs filesystem. you may need to install/run the ntfs-config tool to fully access it.
 what commands should i type?
[02:30] <n8tuser> Ajuna-> can you please google for why linux is limited to 3gig ram..there are lots of articles on this
[02:30] <Ajuna> So is it worth going 64-bit or is it too much a headache?
[02:31] <think_linux> kudi : what class?
[02:31] <Tyrath> n8tuser: I can't find it but don't worry about it. I'll fix this up sometime later
[02:31] <fryguy> think_linux: computer information systems 101
[02:31] <Dr_willis> Ajuna,  ive had no issues with 64bit so far.. :)
[02:31] <Tyrath> would anyone know if there's a way to view formatted word documents in shell?
[02:31] <ardchoille> KyTiX: the drivers worked fine i Dapper, Edgy and Feisty if that helps
[02:31] <Kudi> concepts of inforsystems
[02:31] <n8tuser> Tyrath-> look around your monitor, its a physical button or switch, maybe next to on/off
[02:31] <Tyrath> like if I can view pdf's there's a good chance there's a way to view word docs aswell
[02:31] <fryguy> Tyrath: there isn't, a terminal can only display text
[02:31] <KyTiX> ardchoille -> what version are you running?
[02:31] <Flannel> Kudi: This channel is for Ubuntu support only, you should ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:32] <fryguy> Tyrath: well, a terminal emulator.  Some consoles have higher levels of graphics support (via things like framebuffers).
[02:32] <ardchoille> KyTiX: no nvidia drivers installed on this machine yet, was waiting for that bug to be fixed
[02:32] <Tyrath> fryguy: but then how come I can view pdf's all formatted and everything using fbgs in shell?
[02:32] <KyTiX> ardchoille -> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:33] <ardchoille> KyTiX: Oh, sorry, Ubuntu 8.10
[02:33] <intangir> obama sucks
[02:33] <Dominik> intangir: off-topic
[02:33] <Ajuna> so if you upgrade version of ubuntu with seperate / and /home partitions?  Is there anything special I have to do during the install to avoid wiping out my user data?
[02:33] <Tyrath> fryguy: actually if there was a simple way to view pictures and text that would be ideal
[02:33] <intangir> Dominik: hehe its a test
[02:33] <Dominik> intagir: ?
[02:33] <fryguy> Ajuna: no
[02:33] <Tyrath> fryguy: using antiword does something funny with the tables and it aggrivates me when I go to edit files after they've been reformated by antiword
[02:33] <Flannel> Ajuna: If you're upgrading, that data wont be overwritten anyway.  If you're reinstalling, just make sure you mark home as being used as home, but not formatted.
[02:33] <intangir> Ajuna: just dont format it
[02:34] <Appl3Kork> is there a way to install from an .rpm without using Alien?  I'm trying to install the network adapters for my laptop, that are on a USB Drive?
[02:34] <intangir> Ajuna: what Flannel said
[02:34] <Ajuna> okay thanks
[02:34] <Appl3Kork> so I can't really connect to the internet to get alien
[02:34] <giacomo> heyyy
[02:34] <Ajuna> I'm reinstalling
[02:34] <Tyrath> fryguy: ie, if I antiword myfile.doc | vim - it puts weird lines and things everywhere and doesn't show pictures
[02:34] <Flannel> Appl3Kork: You can sneakernet it, download the deb to your thumbdrive
[02:34] <Tyrath> fryguy: I understand that vim won't show pictures anyway
[02:34] <giacomo> do you know how to solve "Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries" ?
[02:35] <Tyrath> fryguy: nor tables
[02:35] <fryguy> Tyrath: well, command line terminals aren't meant/designed for displaying graphics, so you are going to get poor results in general
[02:35] <Baversjo> Ok Guys I did not get far, how can I add windows as you said in GRUB boot loader?
[02:35] <nickrud> Baversjo, what partition is the xp?
[02:35] <ardchoille> Flannel: sneakernet, hehe, first I 've heard that term for that :)
[02:36] <Baversjo> nickrud: Number 3
[02:36] <Tyrath> fryguy: fair enough, fbgs doesn't do a bad job of formatting pdf's even tho the quality is a little less - which I don't mind
[02:36] <Ajuna> So is my /home partition affected at all by switching from 32-bit to 64-bit reinstall of 8.10?
[02:36]  * nickrud is feeling really old right now, he remembers when sneakernet was the only net
[02:36] <nickrud> Baversjo, on the first drive?
[02:36] <fryguy> Ajuna: probably not (mine is/was,  but for different reasons)
[02:36] <Ajuna> Okay thanks fry
[02:36] <Tyrath> hey, is it just me or does ubuntu do a great job of rendering DVDs - or is that just because I've updated to a good graphic driver?
[02:36] <Baversjo> nickrud: Not sure how i can get that in Ubuntu, but I know It's three. And yes, the first and only drive :)
[02:36] <nickrud> Baversjo, ok, you want to use (hd0,2) in the cloned stanza.
[02:37] <knopf> hi. is there a software that provides a menu interface for blocking/allowing countries using the "blockacountry.com" database? I would like to have a simple menu that shows "y" or "n" next to each of these countries and updates the /etc/hosts.deny files.
[02:37] <Ajuna> So during the install use manual settings with my partition lay out so it doesn't reformat my /home parition?
[02:37] <Tyrath> - cause when I watched starwars the other day it looked awesome quality
[02:37] <Tyrath> - like the best I think I've ever seen
[02:37] <Ajuna> or use the 'guided options'?
[02:37] <Demian> hi
[02:37] <Baversjo> nickrud: That doesn't say me much :( What is the "stanza"?
[02:37] <Tyrath> hi Demian
[02:37] <Demian> i am using tvtime but get no sound
[02:37] <Demian> i tried to run a command i found:
[02:37] <Dominik> nickrud: any luck on that paper?
[02:37] <[T]ank> does ubuntu not use the grub.conf? I am in live cd and not finding it.
[02:37] <Demian> sox -q -c 0.5 -s -w -r 48000 -v 1 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -t ossdsp -w -r 48000 /dev/dsp
[02:37] <Flannel> [T]ank: menu.lst
[02:37] <JoshGr> hey guys, I'm trying to use Gnat-GPS to create, compile, and build ADA programs.  I've used it before and it works to perfection.  Suddenly, a few days ago, when I run "gnat-gps" from bash I get "raised SYSTEM.ASSERTIONS.ASSERT_FAILURE : glib-graphs.ads:352" and the program never launches.  Ive tried uninstalling and re-installing but the same issue arises.  Does anyone have any idea or would this be a better question for gnat-gps supp
[02:38] <Demian> it produces sound, but with lag
[02:38] <fryguy> Tyrath: probably because of updated drivers, or lack of viewing from high quality transports before
[02:38] <[T]ank> ah... thats right, thanks
[02:38] <Demian> anyone know what that command does, or have another hint?
[02:38] <Tyrath> fryguy: I just didn't get the same quality on windows for some strange reason...
[02:38] <nickrud> it's the section tht begins with # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS , mentions windows, and ends with chainloader	+1 . Make a copy of that, and change the hd to (hd0,2) <-- that's the right format for the hard drive definition
[02:38] <nickrud> Dominik, nope.
[02:38] <Tyrath> has anyone used wine for playing games designed for windows? and what were the results?
[02:38] <Tyrath> Demian: have you updated your sound drivers?
[02:39] <fryguy> Tyrath: I use the same player in every operating system i use, so it generally looks the same (and not as good as my dedicated dvd player)
[02:39] <dmulholland> hey, what's the name of the kernel package in ubuntu? I want to install an old kernel (i've added the repo, just cant find the name for the kernel package, only found the headers so far)
[02:39] <Flannel> dmulholland: linux-image-version-arch
[02:39] <dmulholland> thanks Flannel
[02:39] <Tyrath> fryguy: lol. really bizarre. but I'm convinced it's the best quality I've seen. unless it just looks better because it's rendered on a smaller screen and hence less pixels to worry about
[02:39] <carbon_monoxide> !codec
[02:40] <fryguy> Tyrath: games generally work fine
[02:40] <nickrud> Demian, I looked for the author and ati 9000 (I know it covered that) and every link that google provided. Not there, so I guess he never put it on the net, just circulated it among reviewers
[02:40] <Baversjo> nickrud: Ok I'll try that now in the Grub editor, ty :D
[02:40] <Tyrath> fryguy: high quality games?
[02:40] <[T]ank> Flannel: sorry to be lame here, every instance of the menu.lst while in the live cd is just an example... where should that file be?
[02:40] <nickrud> Dominik, that last was for you, sorry Demian
[02:40] <Tyrath> fryguy: like 3D third or first person games
[02:40] <Demian> it's ok
[02:40] <fryguy> Tyrath: my 30" monitor has about 2x the pixels of my 61" televsion, so that might be part of it. and yes high quality games
[02:40] <[T]ank> should it be /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:40] <Flannel> [T]ank: That file doesn't really exist for the liveCD, since the liveCD doesn't use GRUB.  What are you hoping to accomplish?
[02:40] <Dominik> nickrud: lol I missed it
[02:41] <Demian> Tyrath: don't know, ubuntu does by itself right?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Live cd most likely does not have a menu.lst
[02:41] <nickrud> Dominik, look back, it was addressed to dem ian
[02:41] <Dominik> nickrud: got it
[02:41] <dmulholland> Flannel, I'm on an i386 machine but shud I install generic or i386 kernel?
[02:42] <Flannel> dmulholland: generic is what you should use, unless generic gives you problems, then fall back to the 386 one
[02:42] <Tyrath> fryguy: I tried playing KOTOR 2 via windows using a mount. and the graphics display was fine, but my cursor didn't display and the sound didn't work :/
[02:42] <[T]ank> Flannel: just trying to find some way to remove this damn language menu prior to selecting the image ;-)
[02:42] <dmulholland> thanks Flannel
[02:42] <Flannel> [T]ank: Try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[02:42] <Tyrath> Demian: try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:42] <nickrud> Dominik, I got on the list, but since I never had one of the older ati cards I didn't review it, except for basic details
[02:42] <[T]ank> ooo cool and helpful. ... reading now
[02:42] <Tyrath> Demian: actually what distribution are you running? - i'm not sure if this will affect it though
[02:43] <Demian> Tyrath: nothing to upgrade. ubuntu 8.04
[02:43] <Demian> i get sound, and it is ok, it only happend with tvtime, and I should run that script (sox command) to listen, but it has lags
[02:44] <Tyrath> Demian: did you install the latest version of the app?
[02:44] <Tyrath> Demian: if so did you install from apt, debian package, or source (ie, tarball)
[02:45] <Demian> Tyrath: apt
[02:45]  * Tyrath wonders if elinks would state on some pages that javascript isn't enabled if it actually is...
[02:45] <Tyrath> Demian: what does <program name> --version return?
[02:46] <Guest96434> Hey guys!!! how do you fix Hotmail? mine is hippitty gaga boubou! I can't write in the text field. Hotmail is broken boohoo
[02:46] <Tyrath> Guest96434: what browser are you using?
[02:46] <Guest96434> firefox
[02:46] <theGZA> IE7.
[02:46] <dmulholland> Guest40333, in firefox type in about::config
[02:46] <theGZA> use IE7 perhaps ;p
[02:46] <Guest96434> and then?
[02:46] <dmulholland> Guest40333, make that about:config
[02:46] <theGZA> ms = hotmail = trident
[02:46] <Demian> Tyrath: tvtime 1.0.2.
[02:46] <dmulholland> Guest96434, then search for useragent
[02:47] <Guest96434> found it
[02:47] <dmulholland> Guest96434, look for the one with vendor in the title and change the value to Firefox
[02:47] <think_linux> anyone good with ettercap in here???
[02:47] <Guest96434> current value is Ubuntu
[02:47] <dmulholland> Guest96434, change it to Firefox
[02:47] <Out_Cold> i was trying to install kde 4.1 and i get this error.. Can not install 'kubuntu-kde4-desktop' (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.)
[02:47] <Guest96434> you meant general.useragent.vendor     right?
[02:48] <dmulholland> Guest96434, then all should work
[02:48] <dmulholland> Guest96434, yes
[02:48] <Guest96434> how do i save it? just close it?
[02:48] <dmulholland> Guest96434, yes
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Guest96434 or use some 'useragent changer extension'  - then again.. you could email Hotmail a nasty letter. :)  if your email worked..
[02:48] <Tyrath> Demian: I think that's the latest version :/
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Yet another reason i only use hotmail rarely.
[02:49] <Ajuna> Does anyone have a suggestion for an audio player that provides gapless playback?  Amarok inserts 'pops' and 'clicks' in between songs
[02:49] <Guest96434> a MILLION thanks dmulholland!!!!! waaaaaaahooooooo!
[02:49] <Guest96434> it works
[02:49] <ahughes> hey, anyone sucessfully using a USB HDTV tuner card? I'll put ubuntu 8.10 on my ps3 tonight, but not sure if I can expect a USB HDTV tuner to work
[02:49] <dmulholland> no worries, had to fix it for my fiancée th other day
[02:50] <Dr_willis> Hotmail Firefox Breakage --> http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-US&forumId=1&comments_parentId=195460
[02:50] <Tyrath> Demian: hope this helps: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/problems.html
[02:50] <Guest96434> wonderful
[02:50] <compu73rg33k> I have two minitors i'm setting up as dual monitors. I'm using the nVidia X Server settings. I can put the second monitor in Twin View but if I configure it to be a "Separate X Screen" it tells me to save my X Configuration and restart X server. I do so but when I restart the monitor is disabled again.
[02:50] <Tyrath> I really can't offer support for a while I gotta study for my last exam
[02:50] <Tyrath> sorry
[02:50] <Tyrath> thanks for the help tho
[02:50] <Guest96434> Good luck tyrath
[02:50] <compu73rg33k> So I can have twin view with dual monitors but cannot have them each be a separate x screen...or is this later option impossible b/c it would require two instances of xserver?
[02:50]  * Tyrath will prob offer assistance again after the exams except for small issues
[02:50] <Tyrath> Guest96434: thanks
[02:50] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, you are generally easier with Twinview
[02:51] <compu73rg33k> I just don't like how if I switch workspaces the other screen switches workspaces too
[02:51] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, twinview has advantages in being able to drag windows across
[02:51] <compu73rg33k> Could i make one screen have one workspace and the other have multiple ones? :x
[02:51] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, if you set the windows to always on top then in effect you can
[02:52] <fryguy> compu73rg33k: changing your x monitor config isn't going to affect that, that's how your window manager works.  You should change your window manager if you don't like it's behavior (or modify it's settings if that is possible/appropriate)
[02:52] <cads> hey i'm here in 8.10, and I'd like to install kdevelop package... that requires the kde libraries but for some reason it's also trying to install a bunch of kde apps. Is there any way to avoid installing dolphin and kde icons etc, and install only what is needed by kdevelop/
[02:52] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, i normally did that with a terminal on one of the screens
[02:52] <compu73rg33k> set it to always on top?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> compu73rg33k,  Its not impossible to run 2 instances of the X server..  :) but i rarely use my 2 moniotors that way.. Ijust use one WIDE desktop
[02:53] <compu73rg33k> Yeah I suppose that's what I'll do the set always on top should be a sufficient solution I think
[02:53] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, right click the window on the task bar and there is the option
[02:53] <fryguy> compu73rg33k: there are plenty of other window managers available to try if ubuntu's default choice doesn't suit you
[02:54] <compu73rg33k> Yeah i see. So in the NVIDIA X Server Settings is the "run separate x screen" option only supposed to be used when using a single monitor? or is it supposed to function like i was asking for?
[02:55] <fryguy> compu73rg33k: it's just another way of configuring dual monitors. It won't change how those monitors are presented to your window manager
[02:55] <schnoowork> ok this is wierd, i followed the troubleshoot section on the isntalling lamp page and my browser still wants to download the .php files kind of like the AddHandler isnt even installed :S
[02:56] <Dr_willis> compu73rg33k,  with it - i belive you some how spawn a seperate X session, and you could  Jump from one monitor to the other with alt-ctrl-F7 and alt-ctrl-F8    So you could for example have a Media Player on Monitor #2 thats not bothered by anyone doing stuff on #1
[02:56] <panfist> in the default ubuntu skin if you open a folder in nautilus it has the icon in the bottom panel as the file ops dialog. someone could accidentally right click > close it thinking they are closing a file browser window and cancel a file operation without confirmation
[02:57] <Out_Cold> how do i mount an iso file?
[02:57] <compu73rg33k> Yeah that's what I was going for Dr_willis although I don't really have the time or desire to put forth a lot of extra work to get that configured
[02:57] <carbon_monoxide> !jre
[02:57] <Flannel> !iso | Out_Cold
[02:57] <fryguy> right, and you would need to deal with clipboard sharing, keyboard/mouse sharing, and it will take the resources of 2 x servers, and usually graphics cards can only provide acceleration to one x session at a time (the driver will obtain a lock on the device for acceleration), so one x server will take up much more cpu than the other
[02:57] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, sometimes it will work as you were asking, I got it working once but it isnt great to be honest
[02:57] <Dr_willis> compu73rg33k,  i dont use it that way anyway..I drag the media player to monitor #2 and just mazamize it.. :) twinview max's it to JUST that monitor.. muche less hassle.
[02:57] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, the lack of ability to drag windows across made it a pain
[02:58] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, especially when you are used to doing that on dual monitors at work in windows
[02:58] <Soopa> hi all, I'm trying to play World of Warcraft using wine.  Everything works fine, but my 5.1 sound doesn't work (it just comes out of two speakers).  Anyone know where to look regarding this issue?
[02:58] <compu73rg33k> yeah I can see how that would actually be a bigger set back than just setting things to always on top
[02:58] <Dr_willis> Twinview in wide-screen mode. :)lets you drag stuff around from one monitor to the other.
[02:58] <compu73rg33k> who uses windows? :P
[02:58] <fryguy> compu73rg33k: i do
[02:58] <compu73rg33k> :(
[02:58] <Dr_willis> I gotta hook my my other monitor this weekend..
[02:58] <compu73rg33k> tri-view?
[02:58] <Out_Cold> thanks Flannel
[02:58] <kansan> i have a repo, and i'm trying to bring in some external projects with svn:externals but i'm starting to hate life.  i have the root, and then i have: /vendor, and specifically /vendor/openx.  its my desire to throw https://svn.openx.org/openx/tags/2.6/openx-2.6.3/ into the /vendor/openx, then commit my project... .so from the /vendor/ directory i did: svn propedit svn:externals . ;   and put in:  openx https://svn.openx.org/openx/tags/2.6/o
[02:58] <kansan> penx-2.6.3/ .... then within /vendor/ i did svn update;  (1) when i had already added openx to the svn repo i got:  "Fetching external item into 'openx'; svn: Working copy 'openx' locked; svn: run cleanup blah; "... (2) when i didnt have it added i got:  "Fetching external item into 'openx'; Skipped '.' ... what to do now?
[02:59] <Dr_willis> I normmally use 1 monitor + 1 tv :)
[02:59] <fryguy> kansan: ask in #subversion
[02:59] <Flannel> kansan: Try #svn
[02:59] <lym> away
[02:59] <kansan> no one has asnwered that all dayu
[02:59] <panfist> fryguy is 40MB/s a normal speed for software raid5 over four drives?
[02:59] <kansan> bhtanks though
[03:00] <fryguy> panfist: depends on the drives and the controller they are on, among other things
[03:00] <fryguy> my current raid5 array does about 250mb/s in both directions.  it's also a hardware array now.  When it was a software array it was doing roughly the same speeds
[03:01] <fryguy> that's with 5 disks, with 4 it was doing just over 200
[03:01] <compu73rg33k> Ah dmulholland the real option we were discussing is "Always on visible workspace"
[03:01] <panfist> fryguy they are wd10eacs 1tb 5400rpm 16mb cache on amd sb700
[03:01] <dmulholland> compu73rg33k, yeah you're right :) my bad
[03:01] <fryguy> panfist: sorry, i don't have encyclopedic knowledge of the performance of every hard drive/controller configuration on the market
[03:02] <compu73rg33k> Anyway my other problem is with the ctrl + X hotkey. For some reason when I installed ubuntu intrepid, ctrl + x has been hotkeyed as close window for only a select few applications, namely XChat, Calculator and gftp
[03:02] <sjdurfey> are there plans to update the version of Eclipse in the repos anytime soon? the repo is two releases behind
[03:02] <fryguy> sjdurfey: no
[03:02] <compu73rg33k> I've specifically chosen close window to be ctrl + shift + w which also works in those 3 programs
[03:02] <Byrnison> Aptitude wants to remove about twenty packages on any operation. How do I fix this?
[03:02] <Flannel> sjdurfey: There are.  You can get specifics in #ubuntu-motu
[03:02] <sjdurfey> Flannel: thanks
[03:03] <zhan_zr> Byrnison: Cancel your operation
[03:03] <Guest82961> ok im going crazy here i cannot get intreped to work with an intel integrated video card on a dell inspiron 1100
[03:03] <Guest82961> ive tried everything.
[03:03] <Guest82961> has anyone done this ?
[03:03] <Byrnison> zhan_zr: That isn't the problem, I simply don't know how to fix it.
[03:04] <zhan_zr> Byrnison: What do you want to fix?
[03:04] <Guest82961> I can only get it working with vesa.  and yes i have the a32 bios update
[03:04] <Byrnison> zhan_zr: I would appreciate it not asking to remove 20 packages! Sorry...
[03:04] <Flannel> Byrnison: What package are you removing?
[03:04] <zhan_zr> Byrnison: Generally, you can't
[03:04] <wene> hello
[03:05] <zhan_zr> Byrnison: There are very complex dependcies between them.
[03:05] <Byrnison> zhan_zr: It's probably because I removed the kde metapackage, now it wants to get rid of everything kde depended on...
[03:05] <Flannel> Byrnison: Use apt-get instead of aptitude
[03:05] <theGZA> if i have 4 partitions, 1 ext3 ( this ubuntu 6.10 ), 1 windows main, 1 ntfs storage ( 400 gb ) and 1 for swap ( 3 gb ) .. will it be a pain just to upgrade the ubuntu itself? i should be ok with 8.10 CD?
[03:05] <zhan_zr> Byrnison: You can't use a package on the air
[03:05] <theGZA> Flannel: Why not aptitude?
[03:05] <zhan_zr> Byrnison: They have their base package.
[03:06] <Flannel> theGZA: Because aptitude gets overzealous with automated removal at times.
[03:06] <wene> i have added a mount point in the properties of a manually mounted partition and now, i cannot mount it because there is a wrong character in the mount location. do you know where i can modify it ?
[03:06] <panfist> fryguy 40MB seems low for drives that should get 80MB in a single drive configuration. i think i will do some detailed performance tests with more settings and post a review.  i cannot seem to find a good recent analysis. the linux raid wiki could use some elaboration on typical performance
[03:06] <Flannel> theGZA: of course, he still hasn't told us what package he's removing
[03:06] <zhan_zr> Byrnison: Such as, if you don't have a X system, how can you use a gnome desktop.
[03:06] <Byrnison> Never mind, I figured it out... I had to run "aptitude install" on all the packages it was trying to get rid of for me.
[03:07] <Flannel> zhan_zr: You can have gnome without an X server, not without an X client.
[03:07] <Byrnison> Technically I don't use Gnome at all, but KDE... although more recently I'm starting to appreciate wmii.
[03:07] <fryguy> Flannel: "an X client?" what do you mean
[03:07] <zhan_zr> Flannel: Oh, I didn't know about this.
[03:08] <Ajuna> If you have 6 gigs of ram should your swap partition be 6 gigs?
[03:08] <Ajuna> that's a ton of space
[03:08] <Out_Cold> Ajuna, 1 gb is plenty
[03:08] <rww> Ajuna: if you want to use suspend/hibernate, yes