[15:19] <ianto> AlanBell: Hi. Sorry for not responding ages ago I've only just come out of hospital
[15:20] <AlanBell> oh, sorry to hear that, you OK?
[15:21] <ianto> AlanBell: Yeah, what's (/was) up?
[15:22] <AlanBell> there was some discussion at UDS around language based LoCo teams which might be relevant to -cym
[15:22] <AlanBell> not quite sure what the outcome was in the end
[15:23] <ianto> Oh right fair play, thanks for the notification
[15:25] <AlanBell> I didn't follow all the arguments and I am not sure who won, but there are teams that do "french" or "spanish" but are not geographicly related to france and spain
[15:25] <AlanBell> there seems to be some people who want to stop such teams existing, or stop them being on the LoCo directory
[15:26] <ianto> It's correct that they are not LoCo
[15:26] <ianto> However they should continue to exist
[15:26] <AlanBell> personally I think if the LoCo directory doesn't support that well it is a bug in the LoCo directory, but hey, I don't want to get involved in that discussion :)
[15:26] <AlanBell> quite agree
[15:27] <ianto> Neither are they truly localisation teams. GloCo teams, Global Community ;)
[15:27] <AlanBell> anyhow, I think things just carry on as they are for the moment
[15:28] <AlanBell> I think some developers want to standardise the world into neat non-overlapping countries with single languages
[15:28] <AlanBell> would be better from a developers perspective I have to agree :)
[15:28] <AlanBell> all countries should be the same size too
[15:29] <ianto> Like France with countles Langues D'Oile? :P
[15:29] <AlanBell> yeah, and canada just have to make up their mind whether they are going to speak English or French
[15:30] <ianto> It shouldn't be Locality > Language but Language > Locality. Such as how en_GB or fr_FR are set
[15:32] <ianto> When sorting things into little groups, that doesn't mean that localities with multiple languages shouldn't have groups though
[15:32] <ianto> It's a hard one to sort
[15:33] <AlanBell> yeah, the bottom line is they are not going to have much success reorganising the world to fit the database schema they want to build


[16:11] <ahayes> Hello. I have a rather complicated boot question
[18:06] <ricenut> Does anybody know how to start recovering from Ubuntu 10 CDs? CD boots directly into a try or install screen. I try to log out, found the option to rescue install but have no password for the session. Help, anyone knows a way around to do rescue install from the Ubuntu 10 cd?
[20:03] <ricenut> Hi guys, do you know how to start boot Ubuntus 10 CD in rescue mode? Any special key?


[16:25] <teward> ahayzen: #canonical-sysadmin
[16:25] <teward> ooops lag.
[16:25] <teward> (cjwatson already sent yo uthere yesterday, didn't read timestamps >.<)
[19:35] <Simon-> could someone explain to me why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1895757 got fixed but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1891798 (which is older) is still being ignored?
[19:36] <Simon-> the last time I asked about a bug in here I think there are some "affects" options for Ubuntu that us normal people can't set, which means it gets no attention
[21:14] <rbasak> Simon-: this is a topic for #ubuntu-bugs really. Bugs are not necessarily ever addressed in reporting order. They're addressed by perceived importance, by developers scratching their own itches, by any volunteers who want to work on things at their priorities, etc.
[21:15] <rbasak> Simon-: please also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates. We don't just update software in stable releases; you're presupposing the solution in your bug report there, rather than detailing the problem.
[22:17] <Simon-> no, I referenced the problem
[22:18] <Simon-> if someone wants to apply the bug fix commit instead they can do that
[23:36] <cjwatson> As rbasak said, I'm afraid it's not something for here.  We operate the infrastructure - we don't tell developers what order to fix bugs in.


[00:28] <AceLan> apw: got it, thanks. BTW, I always use lts-backport-xxx branch on precise and trusty tree :p
[10:21] <Odd_Bloke> Hello kernel friends; I have a task for adding PTS/smoke testing in to the CPC image testing.  Is this something I can run with the kernel-testing/autotest stuff, or is this a different beast?
[10:24] <Odd_Bloke> apw, bjf: ^ ?
[10:25] <apw> Odd_Bloke, not quite sure what you are asking there, are you asking if running the kernle tests would be a good smoke test ?
[10:25] <apw> and remind me what PTS means
[10:25] <Odd_Bloke> apw: That makes two of us. ;)
[10:26] <Odd_Bloke> apw: I _think_ PTS==Phoronix Test Suite.
[10:27] <Odd_Bloke> But if it's not obvious to you, then I should probably check what utlemming meant by it.
[10:38] <apw> Odd_Bloke, could be, not a phrase i use most days for sure
[10:39] <apw> Odd_Bloke, smoke testing is mormally "basic does it boot and give me a prompt" style testing
[10:41] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah; I think this is a bit of a confused task.
[10:41] <Odd_Bloke> I'll check with Ben when he's back in on Monday.
[10:41] <Odd_Bloke> apw: Sorry for the noise! :)
[10:42] <apw> Odd_Bloke, np and good luck with that
[12:17] <bguthro> Greetings - A question about packaging, that I'm hoping someone can help with: Is there a way to do an iterative kernel build, without doing a clean? I'm debugging something that is part of the kernel proper (i.e., not a module) - and have been trying to avoid doing a full clean / build cycle...but so far have been unsuccessful. Despite placing a #error in a .c file as a test, my compile happily packages everything up, seemingly without recompiling
[12:17] <bguthro>  this file. I'm using "AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 skipabi=true skipconfig=true skipmodule=true fakeroot debian/rules binary" as a compile line, if it matters.
[12:19] <bguthro> I suspect there's a wiki page out there somewhere, but I've been unable to find it.
[12:43] <apw> bguthro, you need to remove the build stamp, and then you can rerun the command, stamps are in debian/stamps
[12:44] <bguthro> apw, fantastic - thank you much!
[15:29] <Odd_Bloke> apw: Turns out http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~server-workload-testing-team/server-workload-testing/trunk/files/head:/pts/ is what we were talking about. :)
[15:31] <apw> Odd_Bloke, so it is phoronix, just a local copy
[15:33] <Odd_Bloke> It's a wrapper around the Ubuntu package.
[15:33] <Odd_Bloke> (TIL there's an Ubuntu package for Phoronix)
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> I been discussing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1368784/ with cjwatson in #ubuntu-devel
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> I've got the following work around - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1368784/comments/17
[16:05] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson is prepare to update grub-gfxpayload-lists if someone here can confirm "fixing" this issue at a kernel level is hopeless.
[16:05] <flexiondotorg> So, thoughts?
[16:09] <flexiondotorg> ogasawara, Can you direct me to someone I can discuss the above with please?
[16:24] <apw> flexiondotorg, "fixing" at the kernel level, do we know what the issue is ?
[16:24] <apw> flexiondotorg, the implication of the (admittedly older) comments is that you need virtualbox-guest-x11
[16:31] <apw> flexiondotorg, and indeed i can confirm that installing the said package does sort things out, who knows what i has in it mind
[16:38] <apw> seems it has a vbox specific video drivers
[16:48] <apw> i wonder if they should be being installed by jockey
[16:49] <flexiondotorg> apw, So the issue is the default resolution when virtualbox-guest-x11 is not installed.
[16:50] <apw> the default resolution is that offered by the vesa settings i assume ?
[16:50] <flexiondotorg> apw, The vmware video devices are already blacklisted by  grub-gfxpayload-lists
[16:50] <apw> ok, so then it sounds like whatever this is using now is a candidate for blacklisting ?
[16:50] <flexiondotorg> apw, Must be. vesa is used by vbox when the guestadditions-x11 is absent.
[16:51] <apw> so that is a vbox issue really, offering stupid resolutions by default
[16:51] <flexiondotorg> apw, Since 14.04. Yes.
[16:51] <flexiondotorg> apw, The 640x480 thing started sometime during 14.10.
[16:51] <apw> and presumably it does that because they don't care about you if you don't install their video driver
[16:52] <flexiondotorg> apw, I couldn't possibly comment ;)
[16:52] <apw> i wonder why i makes a difference to blacklist it in grub though, vesa must be very broken
[16:52] <apw> and so i would think rather than being a fallback option to blacklist more things in grub, it might
[16:52] <apw> be the appropriate option instead
[16:53] <flexiondotorg> apw, It is odd because when booting from the live media, resolution is 1024x768.
[16:53] <flexiondotorg> But on first install, resolution is 640x480.
[16:53] <apw> right, that doesn't use grub, nor initialise the display
[16:53] <apw> it uses syslinux
[16:53] <flexiondotorg> apw, Indeed.
[16:53] <apw> grub initialises the display, because you know the vesa modes offered should be the preferred size of your display, so setting it up early makes sense and makes things prettier
[16:53] <apw> unless your vesa config is spam
[16:54] <apw> and has "1 1024x768 2 640x480 (default)" in it ... or equiv
[16:54] <flexiondotorg> So, possibly a regression in what Virtualbox provides.
[16:55] <apw> but if we are blacklisting for vbox video anyhow, it may well make sense to blacklist everything when vbox is found
[16:55] <apw> which is what i assume the wildcard you added does
[16:55] <flexiondotorg> apw, Yes.
[16:55] <flexiondotorg> Although, AKAIK, vbox have only ever used one device ID for video.
[16:56] <apw> flexiondotorg, not that i really know why one would use vbox if you had any other choice
[16:56] <flexiondotorg> The other "work around" is to configure grub to use 'console' for all video output.
[16:56] <flexiondotorg> apw, It is very popular with people who just want to test. Low barrier of entry.
[16:57] <apw> flexiondotorg, i don't find virtmgr any more complex to drive, and it idoesn't have these issue at least
[16:57] <flexiondotorg> apw, Agreed.
[16:57] <apw> and i don't need 30k lines of random out of tree junk loaded into my kernle to make it work either
[16:57] <flexiondotorg> But, people do use vbox. Clearly the Ubuntu GNOME team do who reported this issue.
[16:58] <flexiondotorg> apw, So the question is. Is this fixable by the kernel team? Seems like a big fat "No" based on what we've discussed?
[16:58] <apw> well they had much more ufn, they were just exploding in the host when they tried
[16:59] <apw> flexiondotorg, i am not sure what we would fix, grub handed us a configured terminal, and we continued to use it as instructed
[16:59] <apw> flexiondotorg, and presumably because vesa, it was at a stupid resolution
[16:59] <flexiondotorg> apw, That is a good answer.
[16:59] <apw> i'll try your workaround on that same gnome image in vbox and see how it looks
[17:00] <flexiondotorg> apw, So I think that blacklisting the vbox video device in grub is the way forward.
[17:00] <flexiondotorg> apw, OK. Thanks for testing.
[17:01] <flexiondotorg> apw, I am the maintainer of Ubuntu MATE BTW. This issue was flagged up in Beta 2 QA and I decided to take a peek.
[17:04] <apw> flexiondotorg, and i think the behaviour with the blacklist seems more useful, and i assume if i install the -guest-x11 i'll get go faster stripes
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> apw, Yes with guest-x11 install you get dynamic resizing and such.
[17:05] <apw> flexiondotorg, but yes, i htink my prefrered option is this blacklist, and if it fixes the issues you have with locked disks that sounds liek a win
[17:07] <flexiondotorg> apw, Agreed. Although the inability to enter encryption pass phrases affects actual hardware too. By blacklisting vbox for grub you get a text mode plymouth which always works.
[17:07] <apw> flexiondotorg, yeah, i assume we have a lot of issues there now we have systemd fun to play with
[17:08] <apw> i guess i ought to reinstall some of my kit with that to find out
[17:11] <flexiondotorg> apw, systemd isn't to blame for passphrase entry. That was present in 14.10 also.
[17:11] <flexiondotorg> apw, My "solution" was not to ship a graphical plymouth theme in 14.10. That way only test mode available and pass phrase entry worked.
[17:21] <flexiondotorg> apw, Are you still testing this on an Ubuntu GNOME image or have we concluded that blacklisting is the solution?
[17:29] <apw> i think we concur blacklisting is the way forward for the size issue
[17:29] <apw> the plymouth not working is separate
[17:38] <flexiondotorg> apw, Thanks for your time.
[17:38] <apw> flexiondotorg, thanks for paying attention to it :)
[17:38] <flexiondotorg> apw, I'll report back to cjwatson and he can make the blacklist change.
[17:39] <flexiondotorg> apw, Most welcome :)
[17:39] <apw> ack, thanks
[22:13] <bubba2> I'd like to test a recent mainline bugfix that was "queued for 4.0".  Someone on the launchpad bug page said "no longer affects: linux-lts-vivid".  Can someone explain what that means?
[22:14] <bubba2> The lts and vivid part confuses me.  I'm on 14.04.2 - can I install that kernel build?  Or do I go to 15.04 vivid and install it (why the lts)?
[22:15] <bubba2> This is the issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1414930?comments=all
[22:58] <bubba2> Is this more of a dev chat?
[23:37] <bubba2> squirrel


[00:21] <Ly383rt> What is the problem with Kubuntu ? When trying to install VirtualBox IT removes entire graphic part of the system
[00:21] <Ly383rt> =T
[00:26] <user|54018> i can't find user group in system settings .i installed Kubuntu 16.04 lts fresh to my system,my lab i7 2620m with 4 g ram
[00:36] <Ly383rt> What is the problem with Kubuntu ? When trying to install VirtualBox IT removes entire graphic part of the system
[01:10] <jtino> hello
[01:23] <hydrogen> Did a recent ubuntu update do all sorts of bad things to dual boot systems?
[01:23] <hydrogen> Or was that a recent windows 10 update
[01:26] <jtino> wouldnt know i only run mint c s alone and windows 10 alone
[01:26] <jtino> as per to many problems when i was duel booting
[01:26] <jtino> lol i took the easy way out
[01:30] <jtino> hey mikey
[01:31] <Guest36230> hello
[01:41] <hydrogen> seems like something decided to rewrite uefi priorities
[01:45] <jtino> hello i have a green network folder on my desktop how do i get rid of it from my desk top
[01:45] <jtino> running linux mint cinnamon
[02:58] <Startrek852> Sorry I keep asking, but does anyone know how to increase saturation on 16.04 without the fglrx driver and Catalyst Control Center??
[03:00]  * momoe waves
[03:01] <momoe> So, I notice after an update this week on Kubuntu, screen magnification doesn't seem to work. Can someone else confirm this please?
[03:03] <momoe> I'm guessing 'kwin' handles screen magnification?
[03:05] <chcknrub> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZQxMowBsw
[03:05] <chcknrub> [YouTube] TIME is an ILLUSION according to EINSTEIN - (the space-time continuum) | Uploader: Tarik's ART OF SPIRIT | Uploaded: 2014-01-01 - 22:10:37 | Length: 10m 32s | Views: 276,481 | Comments: 746 | 1,640+ | 76-
[03:06] <QuinnStorm> time(1) however is useful ;)
[03:13] <momoe> If anyone is using the latest updates in Kubuntu, can they test if screen magnification works "META_="
[03:15] <Startrek852> Hey, I'm back. Did I miss anything?
[03:18] <chcknrub> there is no time
[03:19] <chcknrub> there is no past, present and future
[03:19] <chcknrub> everything is 4 dimensional static
[03:23] <Startrek852> Anyone know?
[03:28] <TheTrash> WOo, 0 AD is fun
[03:47] <Startrek852> Hey, did I miss anything?
[03:48] <TheTrash> Yes, 0 AD!
[03:48] <TheTrash> Go play now
[03:49] <Startrek852> Anyone know the answer to my problem?
[03:54] <cranespud> hey there, does anyone has a problem with kde freezing when you try to drag something like for example selecting text from a page and trying to drag it?
[03:54] <cranespud> I just want to know if this is a known issue
[04:49] <Ab3L> hi
[04:51] <Ab3L> after upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, i've a problem with the graphical interface.
[04:52] <Ab3L> now i started the system with upstart (not systemd) and logged in in a command line interface.
[04:52] <Ab3L> I think the problem comes from plymouth.
[04:54] <Ab3L> is it possible to look to the upgrade log? to fix plymouth or start plasma without going through plymouth?
[05:12] <Ab3L> i'll try to delete 'squash' in grub... hope is the right choice.
[08:31] <JohnDroid> Hello
[08:33] <JohnDroid> How is it that when doing an upgrade or installing new packages, repo are so slow! For exemple I am currently using http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[08:37] <JohnDroid> It's so so so very slow many times it get stuck and don't do any downloads for 3-5 minutes
[08:45] <merka> hi , i can not make canon mf 4450 printer works with my laptop. Can anyone please help me
[10:15] <Aleksejs> Hi! So I upgraded my kubuntu (by upgraded I mean broke to kernel panic then reinstalled via liveusb, saving my home folder). I've lost all my projects, but it's ok, they are in git repos. I can't install mysql-server, but it also can be solved. But I have a strangest bug ever:
[10:17] <Aleksejs> I have a sony wireless headphones. They worked ok before. Now they also work as audio output. But if I try to watch some youtube video, once I connect these headphones, video pauses. Once I disconnect them, video unpauses
[10:31] <JohnDroid> Aleksejs: do you run kubuntu 16.04.1 ?
[10:32] <JohnDroid> why not switch to KDE neon?
[10:34] <Aleksejs> JohnDroid: will it help?
[10:44] <usvi> on a scale from 4 to 10, any ideas about how many years it is expected for this KDE shift tab / backtab bug to get fixed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGoi97UMoxg
[10:55] <Aleksejs> excellent: new dolphin doesn't have an option to enable double click for opening files/folders
[11:14] <krise> HI i cant get my canon mf4450 printer to work. I need someone to help me please
[11:15] <mparillo> Aleksejs: Can you still change it in System Settings > Input Devices > Mouse, or do you really want it only in Dolphin?
[11:16] <Aleksejs> mparillo: thanks! I just remembered that it was in dolphin settings before
[11:39] <user|65793> hello people
[11:40] <user|65793> i'm having problems with the Kubuntu 16 LTS. On the graphical login screens says: failed to start session
[11:42] <user|65793> can someone give me a help in this issue?
[11:43] <yossarianuk> user|65793: is it a new install or upgrade ?
[11:50] <krise> I need someone to help me to get my printer work canon 4450
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:56] <momoe> Goodmorning
[11:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning momoe
[11:57] <mparillo> krise: I do not have a canon, but for my epson, I had to first install the .deb from the epson site, and then go to system settings > printer to add it there.
[12:05] <momoe> So I had a question I tried to post earlier, was hoping someone could answer
[12:06] <momoe> The latest updates to my Kubuntu might have broke 'kwin' screen magnification. Does this still work for anyone else?
[12:06] <momoe> META_= is the global shortcut
[12:11] <momoe> No replies still?
[12:12] <user|65793> it's a new install
[12:13] <momoe> No existing install. recent update this week
[12:13] <momoe> Show Desktop, and Screen magnify haven't been working appropreately
[12:14] <momoe> Just checking if this is a local problem or anyone else can verify
[12:24] <BluesKaj> momoe, which kubuntu version?
[12:39] <momoe> @BlueKaj using version 16.04, KDE framework 5.23.0
[13:07] <yossarianuk> user|65793: you need to look at /var/log/syslog
[13:16] <JohnDroid> Aleksejs: maybe it will help, I am not sure as I don't have sony headphones
[13:40] <Mrokii> Hello. Is there a way to set "Details View" as the standard viewmode in Dolphin? So that every newly created folder opens in that mode automatically?
[13:42] <Yanina> Hi people! Im Yanina and im newie at kubuntu's world
[13:42] <Yanina> Im having a problem with battery changing
[13:43] <Yanina> could someone help me??
[13:49] <mgolden_> Yanina - can you be specific?
[13:51] <mgolden_> Mrokii: I believe it opens in whatever mode it was last in.
[13:52] <mgolden_> Under Control > Configure Dolphin > General > Behavior you can remember properties for each folder, or use common properties for all folders
[13:53] <Yanina> mgolden_ yes, I have installed kubuntu 16.04 in two laptops bangho. The first one is ok, but the second one doesnt charge battery
[13:54] <Yanina> when I go to KinfoCenter it seems there is no battery connected
[13:54] <_thelion_> Mrokii: yes. - Open "options" in Dolphin. There you can find "adjust (?) view...". Choose "Details View" and you can set this view as standard, too.
[13:55] <Yanina> I connected the battery to the other laptop and it works
[14:33] <mgolden_> Yanina: what does it show in the task bar?
[15:12] <Mrokii> mgolden_: Yes, I found that out. I was looking for a default option for newly created or never-before-opened folders.
[15:13] <Mrokii> mgolden_: I assume "_thelion_"s answer is what I'm looking for.
[15:32] <mgolden_> Mrokii: I haven't tried _thelion_ s suggestion.
[15:33] <mgolden_> Mrokii: do you want to have different folder views for each folder? (Meaning it will remember each one separately.) Or do you always want it to open with the default?
[15:55] <Mrokii> mgolden_: _thelion_s solution worked. I've found the relevant option. And I do have the option enabled to have different views for each folder. But the details-view is the one I am using just about everywhere, so it's good I could enable it as a default.
[16:07] <krise> mparillo i did that, i downloaded driver package from anon site and installed them, but when i add printer i see like hundred drivers at the list there but not for this model
[16:08] <krise> mabe im doing something wrong
[16:08] <krise> computer finds printer do, but wont start printing
[17:19] <hoax> XD
[18:36] <Khaotic> does anyone use kdevelop?
[18:42] <soee> Khaotic: a bit
[18:42] <Khaotic> what lang?
[18:42] <Khaotic> C i assume
[18:43] <Khaotic> im trying to get it to use python, but it's slow
[18:43] <soee> nah. just some basic qml
[19:20] <Bananajoe> hello folks
[19:23] <soee> hiho Bananajoe
[19:27] <Bananajoe> you're fine soee?
[20:12] <al8989> hello, i have a question if I upgrade from kubuntu 14.10 using the muron update will all my settings in google chrome and such be preserved and will my windows wireless lan drivers still be installed for my wireless adapter?
[20:13] <ikonia> al8989: the bookmarks and settings should stay
[20:13] <ikonia> the wireless card will depend on a lot of things
[20:13] <al8989> well im using a windows driver to use the wireless adapter
[20:17] <al8989> i just wanted to make sure it was easy before i did it as i jsut recieved a notification on my desktop today about the upgrade
[20:28] <mgolden_> al8989: If I were you I would backup everything and make absolutely sure you have an ethernet cable to do it.
[20:30] <al8989> ok thank you i can do that i just wanted to know if i might need to reconfigure the wireless adapter after the upgrade
[20:39] <mgolden_> You may very well have to.
[20:40] <al8989> ok thank you
[20:40] <mgolden_> aIal8989: I am surprised you still need to use a windows driver. Most wifi hardware is supported in better ways nowadays.
[20:40] <al8989> very much for the advice exactly what i was looking for
[20:41] <mgolden_> al8989: (I had to uninstall and reinstall amarok on the upgrade - these things aren't perfect!)
[20:41] <al8989> ok ty
[20:45] <al8989> i've updated windows before but never kubuntu linux


[00:00] <private2> Daughain: heh.
[01:53] <Alzier> elo to all here
[01:57] <ryan___> Sup
[02:16] <matthew_> I'm switching form ubuntu to kubuntu :D
[02:16] <matthew_> *from
[02:17] <ryan___> Cool. KDE is pretty good, just needs decent hardware
[02:17] <matthew_> I'm not sur I'd reccomend it for most people, but I deffinitly love it :D
[02:17] <matthew_> *sure
[02:19] <KiRiLoS> I gave a static ip to my system by changing /etc/network/interfaces.Everything works great but knetworkmanager shows that i'm not connected and connection name changed
[02:23] <daskreech> matthew_: Kongrats :)
[02:28] <matthew_> daskreech: Oh boy :P
[02:28] <matthew_> Thanks :P
[02:29] <daskreech> :-D
[02:29] <hobs> what repository is supposed to have virtuoso? I've have karmic-backports main restricted universe multiverse, but apt-cache search virtuoso returns nothing
[02:31] <daskreech> hobs: which virtuoso ?
[02:41] <KDesk> hi, do you know where can I find packages for Koffice 2.1.1?
[02:44] <xjjk> hobs: er, virtuoso is a kde 4.4 thing afaik
[02:44] <xjjk> 4.3 and earlier were using sesame or redland
[02:45] <xjjk> virtuoso stable releases weren't around when karmic was released, that's why you're not finding anything
[02:47] <Zeeb-> What is the fastest / easyest way to remove all of my windows stuff, and make my machine totally kubuntu?
[02:48] <xjjk> Zeeb-: 'use entire disk' w/the kubuntu installer
[02:49] <daskreech> Zeeb-: Format if you want "fastest" that means you lose all your data
[02:49] <Zeeb-> Yeah, I want to completely wipe my computer of anything windows related and just keep kubuntu
[02:51] <Zeeb-> How do I "use entire dist space" with the installer? ( Big noob here ) >.>
[02:53] <ryan___> There is an option that says Use entire disk =P
[02:54] <Zeeb-> I'm lost at the installer part lol XD
[02:54] <Zeeb-> Wher is this "installer"
[02:55] <KDesk> Zeeb-: are you using the liveCD?
[02:55] <Zeeb-> No, I just downloaded thw wubi from the site
[02:57] <KDesk> Zeeb-:  ah, but you want to delete all windows?
[02:57] <Zeeb-> Yes :D
[02:58] <KDesk> Zeeb-: ok, then you need to download the CD image of Kubuntu 9.10 from the Web site www.kubuntu.org
[02:58] <Zeeb-> And then what?
[02:58] <KDesk> Zeeb-: and choose your procesore type, x86 or x86_64 (amd64)
[02:59] <ryan___> Unless you have 4 gigs+ of ram, stick with x86
[03:00] <KDesk> Zeeb-: then it will start downloading, you have to save the file in your hard drive. When it is ready, then burn the CD image to the disc with Nero or InfraRecorder
[03:00] <ryan___> Personally, I like imgburn http://www.imgburn.com/ =P But his options work too =)
[03:01] <Zeeb-> So I actually need a cd-rom?
[03:01] <Zeeb-> I can't just mount it?
[03:01] <ryan___> Not if you want to wipe out windows
[03:01] <Zeeb-> ah okay
[03:01] <KDesk> Zeeb-: you can use a usb memory disc
[03:01] <Zeeb-> I want the "live cd" version right?
[03:01] <KDesk> yes
[03:04] <KDesk> Zeeb-: when downloaded you can follow the steps here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Windows to burn the cd image correctly to the CD, as image not as data.
[03:05] <Zeeb-> Alright cool, thank you! I have some big daddy cd's and I wouldn't want to waste my money ya know? :
[03:05] <Zeeb-> That should help greatly :D
[03:06] <KDesk> Zeeb-: or you can "burn" it to a flash memory using http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[03:06] <Zeeb-> How big is the file?
[03:06] <KDesk> Zeeb-: ~700MB
[03:06] <Zeeb-> I don't know how to make it show up on my little download manager thing :/
[03:07] <KDesk> Zeeb-: if you use the flash memory option, then remember that burning the image to the memory will delete all the data there.
[03:07] <KDesk> Zeeb-: which program?
[03:07] <Zeeb-> mhmm, I don't believe I have any thumb drives atm. i'll just to the disk method
[03:08] <Zeeb-> I'm using the default web browser
[03:08] <daskreech> Default of what?
[03:08] <daskreech> WIndows?
[03:08] <daskreech> or kubuntu?
[03:09] <Zeeb-> kubuntu
[03:10] <daskreech> OK and what are you trying to find?
[03:10] <KDesk> Zeeb-: ah, you instlled kubuntu in windows?
[03:10] <daskreech> the iso you downloaded? It's likely in ~/Documents
[03:10] <Zeeb-> No no, I'm trying to figure out how to make the web broswer's download tool display the files size and download rate.
[03:11] <daskreech> Zeeb-: in Kubuntu you'll probably just click the system tray
[03:11] <daskreech> it keeps all that info
[03:12] <Zeeb-> Like, the thing that saids "1 running job (5 minutes remaining)"
[03:14] <daskreech> Yes
[03:17] <Zeeb-> Would I be able to burn it on to a dvd-rw 4x 4.7gb disk?
[03:18] <daskreech> Yes
[03:18] <Zeeb-> Yay, don't have to use one of my expensive disks :3
[03:28] <Zeeb-> now I just boot from this cd?
[03:29] <daskreech> Zeeb-: That's the Idea :) It boots into a Kubuntu desktop so yo ucan come back here if you like
[03:30] <Zeeb-> But it will remove my windows correct?
[03:32] <Fersure> Zeeb-: no, it won't. there's an option to "try before you buy" if you like.
[03:33] <Fersure> so you can boot into kubuntu before installing it. and then you can install kubuntu and keep windows on your computer, choosing which you want to boot into when you turn on your computer
[03:34] <daskreech> Zeeb-: if you install and choose use the whole disk
[03:35] <Fersure> yep. if you want to. I just assumed you'd want to keep windows.
[03:35] <daskreech> Fersure: not really :0
[03:35] <daskreech> :-)
[03:35] <Zeeb-_> Where do I go to view how much space is on my hard drive?
[03:36] <daskreech> Zeeb-_: where are you?
[03:36] <Fersure> daskreech: well most people do. though the reasons for such a thing are beyond me. :P
[03:36] <Zeeb-_> um... no where XD
[03:36] <daskreech> Fersure: Comfort
[03:36] <brandon_> hey everybody
[03:36] <daskreech> Zeeb-_: Windows or Kubuntu ?
[03:37] <daskreech> !hi | brandon_
[03:37] <Zeeb-_> oh, kubuntu
[03:37] <Fersure> hey brandon_
[03:37] <brandon_> I know all must get tired of n00bs like me but Im having trouble installing WoW
[03:38] <enkidu> hi guys, I just want to say, that update from 4.3.5 to 4.4.0 made kde unusable
[03:38] <Zeeb-_> What's the konsole command to remove a file?
[03:38] <Fersure> enkidu: well kde 4.4 isn't stable yet. you're welcome to report bugs and such.
[03:38] <enkidu> rm
[03:38] <brandon_>  can anyone help?
[03:38] <enkidu> Fersure: its (k)ubuuntu problem
[03:38] <enkidu> not kde one
[03:39] <Fersure> enkidu: yes, the packages for kde 4.4 in kubuntu are not stable yet.
[03:39] <Fersure> they're still in alpha.
[03:39] <enkidu> just aptitude is marking for delete freshly installed packages
[03:39] <enkidu> I dont expect stability
[03:40] <Zeeb-_> "rm: cannot remove `/media/windowsvista/': Is a directory" .... How do I fix that?
[03:40] <brandon_> I just need to know how to load the patch downloader for World of warcraft, if anyone has any experience in this Itd be great to know
[03:40] <Fersure> yeah I understand. same thing happened to me the other day when I tried upgrading to alpha 2.
[03:40] <Fersure> Zeeb-_: are you trying to delete windows from your system?
[03:41] <Sakui> what package allows me to view encrypted DVD's?
[03:41] <enkidu> Fersure: anyways, ubuntu "init" cannot even run udev >.<
[03:41] <enkidu> Sakui: libdvdcss
[03:41] <Fersure> enkidu: ...wth..
[03:41] <Fersure> well for me kubuntu wouldn't even boot lolol
[03:42] <Sakui> enkidu: it's not showing up.
[03:42] <Fersure> -just- from upgrading
[03:42] <Fersure> but then I suppose it could be to do with the fact that I had to upgrade via aptitude dist-upgrade :d
[03:43] <Fersure> Sakui: you need the medibuntu repository for libdvdcss. www.medibuntu.org
[03:43] <enkidu> Fersure: it coulnt find disks?
[03:44] <Fersure> enkidu: can't remember exactly what happened. but grub worked thankfully.
[03:44] <Fersure> but yeah, none of the kernels I had would boot up :d
[03:45] <enkidu> I have to press ESC, then type "/etc/init.d/udev start" and press ctrl-d
[03:45] <Fersure> weir
[03:45] <Fersure> *Weird
[03:45] <enkidu> yeah
[03:45] <enkidu> as everything seems to be configured properly
[03:46] <enkidu> ubuntu is really going to be linux alternative for linux - it can stop working just because you use it >.<
[03:46] <enkidu> for windows*
[03:46] <enkidu> i should be sleeping for two hours
[03:48] <enkidu> ok, time to remove KDE
[03:48] <enkidu> and then try clean install
[03:49] <enkidu> or fall back to mandriva
[04:09] <FeasibilityStudy> enkidu: Go back to Windows
[04:09] <jesse2> Hello.  i just installed ubuntu 9.10 (w/ gnome) and im trying to install kde as well.  i added all the related packages [that i could find] via synaptic; however, when i log into KDE, it just shows a blank screen (no desktop background, icons, panel, etc etc).  am i missing something?
[04:09] <FeasibilityStudy> jesse2: Why not simply download the Kubuntu .iso and install it that way?
[04:10] <jesse2> feasibilitystudy: i typically use gnome most of the time, just wanted to give kde 4.4 a try
[04:10] <FeasibilityStudy> it depends on how you installed KDE..Would need to know the exact steps and packages you installed
[04:11] <jesse2> ah, i see. i'm probably better off just reinstalling it then
[04:11] <jesse2> thanks
[04:11] <FeasibilityStudy> I never like installing KDE on top of gnome or vice versa
[04:11] <FeasibilityStudy> it always gives problems
[04:12] <FeasibilityStudy> Unless you're on Gentoo where they have slots.
[04:15] <hobs> xjjk, according to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4 it is available, I am running 4.4 already through backports, but virtuoso is missing
[04:15] <xjjk> hobs: you mentioned karmic-backports... 4.4 is only in the PPA backports
[04:15] <xjjk> completely different repositories
[04:16] <FeasibilityStudy> I run 4.4 and virtuoso seems to work here
[04:16] <xjjk> can you check what you're using?
[04:19] <hobs> xjjk, what is the url to ppa?
[04:19] <hobs> complete line to sources.list that is
[04:19] <hobs> ppa.launchpad.net/?
[04:20] <xjjk> hobs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/381355/
[04:20] <xjjk> that should contain KDE 4.4
[04:20] <hobs> thank you
[04:20] <daskreech> !wow
[04:20] <xjjk> if you're using karmic-backports (which is an official Canonical repository), it only contains KDE 4.3.4
[04:20] <xjjk> the repository situation with Kubuntu is very confusing
[04:20] <xjjk> there are like 3 or 4 PPAs
[04:21] <xjjk> some kind of "primary"/testing PPA, a backports PPA, an experimental PPA, and a beta PPA
[04:21] <xjjk> er, staging is probably a better word than "primary"/testing
[04:22] <xjjk> this would probably make a good blog post
[04:24] <hobs> nods
[04:46] <Psi-Jack> Okay so, I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 64bit and I'm having issues with Flash and sound.
[04:46] <hobs> xjjk, got it running, thanks
[04:52] <xjjk> hobs: great
[04:58] <DarkriftX> anyone here have any idea how to edit the width of text in a plasmoid?
[04:59] <DarkriftX> im using yasp and its too wide, so some of the text goes off the screen (its on a panel sidebar)
[05:02] <seanbrystone> hi, how do i disable the "Devices recently plugged in" box that pops up when i put cd in? It's annoying and y9ou cant close it
[05:05] <xjjk> seanbrystone: it's controlled by the applet I think
[05:05] <xjjk> remove that applet
[05:05] <xjjk> if you want to keep the applet and just remove the notification, I don't know unfortunately
[05:05] <xjjk> it bothers me too but I've just lived with it
[05:08] <RPG_Master> I can't login to kubuntu!
[05:08] <RPG_Master> Every time it kicks me back to the login screen :(
[05:08] <RPG_Master> This was after an update if that helps
[05:10] <RPG_Master> Anyone know whats going on?
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> Okay so, I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 64bit and I'm having issues with Flash and sound. Can anyone help me resolve this?
[05:17] <GungaDin> Hi
[05:17] <GungaDin> Does KUbuntu come with SElinux?
[05:17] <Psi-Jack> GungaDin: No
[05:18] <GungaDin> Alright.
[05:18] <GungaDin> thx
[05:42] <alandd> I just upgraded my 9.04 to 9.10.  Sound is now gone.  Various sound drivers are loaded according to the lsmod output but I have nothing.
[06:16] <daskreech> FeasibilityStudy: huh?
[06:16] <daskreech> It's not hard to remove KDE
[06:40] <cuznt> joel%
[06:43] <gregg> I've got some samba cifs mount problems at boot, and at shutdown as well - any takers? :)
[06:44] <gregg> I've got a bunch of samba shares in fstab - only SOME of them actually mount at startup, but a sudo mount -a works no probs - i connect via wireless
[06:49] <daskreech> gregg: Umm try not putting them beside each other in fstab?
[06:51] <gregg> you really think that would help daskreech?
[06:52] <daskreech> gregg: Well you are doing a  non standard mount across a network with lag and latency
[06:52] <daskreech> running multiple of them at the same time can't be good I think
[06:55] <gregg> ok daskreech thx
[06:55] <panicgrip> Okay, Fresh install.  Running updates.  First time I've ever installed Linux.  What should I do first?
[06:56] <nikhil_> quassel actually aint that bad.
[06:56] <nikhil_> still miss xchat a lil tho
[06:57] <panicgrip> Can I save my password in Quassel?
[06:57] <jussi01> panicgrip: which password?
[06:57] <jussi01> for nickserv?
[06:58] <jussi01> just put it in as the server password in the config dialog.
[06:59] <panicgrip> Got it
[07:00] <daskreech> panicgrip: What dod you wnat to do
[07:18] <panicgrip> Cany anyone suggest an FTP cleint?
[07:18] <q0_0p> anyone here know an alternative to gnome-do?
[07:18] <q0_0p> panicgrip, konquerer?
[07:19] <panicgrip> Wasn't aware of that functionality.
[07:21] <nikhil_> how would one set a keyboard shortcut in kde to show desktop?
[07:22] <panicgrip> Did yous see anything under Launcher>Computer>System Settings>Keyboard Settings
[07:25] <panicgrip> Does CTRL+F12 do it?
[07:30] <varun> hiiii
[07:32] <Speedy2> www.search2.net
[07:34] <panicgrip> hi
[07:36] <alvin> Will Ubuntu 10.04 have /tmp as tmpfs?
[07:42] <Mamarok> alvin: ask in #ubuntu+1, please
[07:44] <alvin> Mamarok: thx. will do
[07:50] <daskreech> panicgrip: hi
[07:51] <panicgrip> daskreech, how's it going?
[07:51] <daskreech> Prety good
[07:52] <panicgrip> Any clue what a guy has to do to refresh the font list in Kubuntu, after installing some new fonts via the packet manager?
[08:36] <enkidu> alvin: what a problem?
[08:38] <daskreech> panicgrip: You mean fonts:/ ?
[08:46] <alvin> enkidu: Yes. I noticed on 2 computers that there are old files in /tmp that prevent a successfull start of X
[08:48] <enkidu> alvin: strange, /tmp should not block you
[08:48] <enkidu> but u can still edit fstab manually, not waiting for devs
[08:49] <enkidu> fortunately, ubuntu devs didnt replaced that file with "better new one" as they did with /sbin/init
[08:50] <enkidu> yet...
[08:50] <alvin> I now. I just wanted to know because you never know what an upgrade would do with such a customization
[08:51] <alvin> Oh, and it is strange, but if I clear the /tmp, kdm can be restarted, so the problem must be in that dir
[08:51] <enkidu> upgrade u say... who would think, that upgrading KDE to 4.4.0 can prevent udev from starting?
[08:54] <alvin> udev? Had no troubles there. Akonadi on the other hand...
[08:55] <enkidu> more funny - I removed kde-full metapackage, aptitude removed NetworkManager as no-longer-needed
[08:55] <gregg> how do I make a script run at startup?
[08:56] <enkidu> if you mind system startup - ask on #ubuntu, especially someone, that invented upstart thingie
[08:59] <Mamarok> alvin: Akonadi problesm on Kubuntu are usually caused by apparmor: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#Some_Technical_Issues
[08:59] <Mamarok> problems*
[09:00] <enkidu> someone tell me, why aptitude is marking kdm and plasma as not-needed?
[09:01] <alvin> Mamarok: I know, especially here, but I switched my /home to NFS4 ipv NFS3 and that made those problems better.
[09:02] <Mamarok> enkidu: do you have gdm installed?
[09:03] <enkidu> Mamarok: nope
[09:04] <Mamarok> enkidu: what are you upgrading from?
[09:04] <enkidu> Mamarok: kubuntu 9.10 to launchpad-ppa
[09:04] <Mamarok> enkidu: you mean KDE 4.3.x to KDE SC 4.4?
[09:04] <enkidu> yeah
[09:05] <Mamarok> because your line didn't make much sense, there are not less than 4 Kubuntu PPAs
[09:05] <enkidu> forgive me, I couldnt sleep this night
[09:05] <Mamarok> no problem :)
[09:06] <Mamarok> you shouldn't use aptitude for it, for some strange reason it doesn't work well for upgrades
[09:06] <Mamarok> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the safer way
[09:06] <enkidu> it wasnt safe way
[09:06] <Mamarok> ?
[09:06] <enkidu> I finished with mix of libs from both 4.3.5 and sc 4.4
[09:06] <Mamarok> enkidu: that's why I tell you not to use aptitude :)
[09:07] <Mamarok> use apt-get, that works
[09:07] <enkidu> I did it with apt-get
[09:07] <enkidu> :D
[09:07] <enkidu> dont ask me, haw
[09:07] <Mamarok> dist-upgrade?
[09:07] <enkidu> yeah
[09:07] <alvin> Let me just tell you guys that aptitude is the preferred package manager in Debian/Ubuntu
[09:07] <Mamarok> enkidu: then something is worng in your sources, whst mirror are you using?
[09:08] <Mamarok> alvin: and the kubuntu devs found a bug in exactly that
[09:08] <enkidu> was there some nice console command to use pastebin for text stream? :)
[09:08] <Mamarok> enkidu: pastebinit
[09:09] <Mamarok> !paste
[09:09] <enkidu> ah, nevermind, ill just run browser by now
[09:09] <Gecko> Hi there. I've primarily used kde in the good old days (1.1.x - 2.0), and then again with kubuntu 6.06. I wanted to give kubuntu a spin again, after having run gnome for quite a while. Is there any tips you might share, in terms of good applications, usability tips, etc.? I see a lot has happened in terms of this so called social desktop.
[09:10] <Mamarok> Gecko: that is a lot of questions in one line, how about checking http://www.kde.org?
[09:10] <Mamarok> also http://userbase.kde.org is a good source
[09:10] <alvin> Mamarok: Do you have a link to the bug report?
[09:10] <Mamarok> alvin: not at hand, no
[09:11] <enkidu> Mamarok: http://pastebin.org/95190 my stripped sources.list
[09:11] <enkidu> bloated as hell ;)
[09:11] <phrearch> hi
[09:12] <phrearch> im trying to install cegui, but it asks for libsilly, which doesnt seem to be in the repos
[09:12] <phrearch> any idea how to install this?
[09:12] <enkidu> tar xf ...
[09:12] <Gecko> Mamarok: Sure, it wasn't a sort of "give me all the answers now!" question, but more of an open question if somebody had a great tip just handy or stood in a similar situation or something. I've tried the 4.x versions before and felt that they were a bit unpolished, but 4.4 seems very interesting
[09:13] <enkidu> Gecko: dont touch 4.4 till it is not 'stable'
[09:13] <enkidu> as 'unstable' for kde means 'will eat your hamster'
[09:13] <Mamarok> Gecko: well, your question was a bit too general, also this is a support channel, tips would be rather a question for #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:13] <Gecko> enkidu: it seems stable so far, but I'll leave your advice in mind
[09:14] <Mamarok> enkidu: please don't tell things you can't prove, I run KDE SC 4.4 here and it is stalbe
[09:14] <Mamarok> stable*
[09:14] <Gecko> Mamarok: point taken. I'll join that channel
[09:14] <enkidu> Mamarok: maybe I just dont have luck for it?
[09:15] <Mamarok> enkidu: mabe your mirror has problems, try switching to the main mirror
[09:15] <Mamarok> enkidu: I have nothing mixed here, and it never tried to remove kdm
[09:15] <enkidu> probably aptitude screwed up something, nevermind
[09:16] <enkidu> my mirror is OK, as it is only one I trust
[09:16] <enkidu> I know its admin personally ;)
[09:17] <kaniiNIX> does kde have a program/command to restore deleted menu items?
[09:18] <Mamarok> kaniiNIX: you mean the main menu? kappfinder can find the apps that are not in that menu
[09:18] <Mamarok> and add it automatically
[09:20] <kaniiNIX> nah, didnät find them... some wine menu items are lost...
[09:20] <kaniiNIX> didn'tÄ
[09:26] <phrearch> hey
[09:26] <phrearch> any idea how to get kde 4.4 ?
[09:26] <enkidu> Mamarok: installing network-manager should make entry in /etc/init/ or it is done by upstart?
[09:28] <Mamarok> enkidu: no idea, sorry
[09:28] <Mamarok> phrearch: see the topic of the channel, please
[09:28] <Mamarok> kaniiNIX: are you sure it is installed? And how did it get removed?
[09:30] <phrearch> Mamarok: thanks!
[09:31] <Mamarok> phrearch: you are welcome
[09:36] <kaniiNIX> Mamarok: i accidentally deleted them, and yes the programs are installed
[09:37] <enkidu> meh, kde4 was said to be netbooks-friendly, but it seems,that all devs have monitors bigger than 1024x600
[09:37] <enkidu> time to ask them for small change
[09:40] <Mamarok> enkidu: you need the plasma-netbook release then
[09:40] <Mamarok> of course the desktop is not meant for netbooks
[09:40] <enkidu> Mamarok: problem is not in plasma :)
[09:41] <enkidu> as it works nearly as I want it to
[09:41] <phrearch> hm, did an update, but plasma crashes now
[09:41] <enkidu> but config windows are too high
[09:41] <Mamarok> enkidu: are you using the netbook desktop?
[09:42] <enkidu> Mamarok: nope, as plasma-netbook seems to be more bloated than regular one
[09:43] <Mamarok> it is not, since it is exactly for netbooks, the regular desktop is not
[09:44] <enkidu> sorry, I know how to check memory usage
[09:44] <enkidu> and plasma-netbook looses that competition for me
[09:45] <enkidu> I dont use many fancy plasmoids, only smoont tasks, as it saves spare used by tasks
[09:46] <enkidu> space*
[09:49] <Mamarok> enkidu: you might want to comment on that in #kubuntu-netbook then, they might be the people to address with problems
[09:49] <root> hm, back to irssi
[09:50] <Guest59168> some packages are withdrawn from upgrading
[09:50] <Guest59168> any idea how that can be solved? im trying kde 4.4 sc
[09:51] <Guest59168> i guess i need to install the kde-full package
[09:52] <noaXess> !nfs
[09:53] <Guest59168> ping
[09:54] <ikonia> Guest59168: yes ?
[09:56] <Guest59168> looks like i disconnected
[10:00] <noaXess> hi all
[10:01] <noaXess> i use nfs's shares and if i create eg. a file or a folder the perms for this new file/folder is user=username group=username..
[10:01] <noaXess> is there a way to get group=groupname?
[10:01] <noaXess> cause.. there is a windows user that connects to the same folder over normal samba..
[10:02] <noaXess> so i need a setup, that if the user that connects over nfs and creat a file/folder the group perms is a specifix group
[10:02] <noaXess> bad english.. sorry.
[10:08] <amichair> how do I restart the sound system?
[11:17] <SatManUK> why when I am running paralell sessions with kde/x/kubuntu is it timing out and rebooting one of my sessions?
[11:34] <Gamrok> hey guys what's the comman to reset apt
[11:55] <Longjohns_75659> Hello! I just installed kubuntu 9.10 and I can't figure out how to change the appearance of the taskbar...
[12:01] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: the colour/theme?
[12:01] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: if so, system settings -> advanced -> desktop theme details.
[12:03] <jussi01> thats for changing the theme details, hang on a sec, Ill tell you where to change the theme
[12:05] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: ok, looks lsystem settings -> style -> appearance -> workspace tab :)
[12:06] <Longjohns_75659> jussi01, should I look for style under "General" or "Advanced"?
[12:09] <Longjohns_75659> jussi01, the search function can't find "workspace"
[12:10] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: wait a sec, which version of kubuntu are you on?
[12:10] <Longjohns_75659> 9.10, freshly installed, jussi01
[12:11] <Longjohns_75659> I've been a KDE user for about 10 years, but a couple of hours with KDE 4 has me considering migrating to Gnome :p
[12:11] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: sorry, my instructions were a little off.
[12:11] <jussi01> in system settings, go to appearance
[12:12] <jussi01> then, in the style part, click the workspace tab.
[12:13] <Longjohns_75659> I can't find a workspace tab there, jussi01
[12:13] <jrmy> bonjours ?
[12:13] <jussi01> !fr
[12:13] <jrmy> sa va bien ?
[12:13] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: hrm, maybe 9.10 came out with the old way. try going to your desktop and right clicking, see if there is a desktop settings or so there
[12:15] <Longjohns_75659> There is, but I can't find anything about the taskbar there either, jussi01
[12:16] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: k, youll need to wait for someone with the 9.10 version, but you are looking for the plasma theme.
[12:16] <zetheroo> I installed Kubuntu remix on my laptop and after grub it goes to just a plain black screem
[12:16] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: or perhaps you could provide me with a screenshot of your system settings appearance page
[12:16] <zetheroo> screen*
[12:16] <Tm_T> Longjohns_75659: there's no (simple) way to change panel look alone anymore
[12:17] <jussi01> Tm_T: do you know which way it was in the 9.10 release? could you help him to change his plasma theme?
[12:18] <Tm_T> jussi01: cannot remember and oldest KDE I have working is todays trunk
[12:18] <zetheroo> any ideas?
[12:19] <Longjohns_75659> jussi01, getting that dcc?
[12:19] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: no, I dont do dcc. could you put it on imagebin or so?
[12:19] <jussi01> (imagebin.ca)
[12:20] <Longjohns_75659> Wouldn't I have to register an account for that?
[12:20] <jussi01> no
[12:20] <jussi01> imagebin is verymuch like pastebin, but for pictures :)
[12:21] <Longjohns_75659> http://imagebin.ca/view/bLsW1EK.html
[12:24] <Longjohns_75659> Was that of any use, jussi01?
[12:24] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: ok, so its an updated thing then. hrm. could you give me a screen shot of when you right click the desktop and click the desktop settings (or simialr wording)
[12:25] <Longjohns_75659> jussi01: http://imagebin.ca/view/5R-WS_M.html
[12:26] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: yeah, the desktop theme is what you are after
[12:27] <snarkster> i just added a new large hd to my laptop. I need to adjust grub to boot linux off that drive. I have the howto from the ubuntu website but it isnt working like it said it should
[12:27] <snarkster> can anyone help?
[12:28] <Longjohns_75659> Life was easier with kcontrol :p
[12:28] <snarkster> system0setting is pretty easy to get used to
[12:28] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: it gets easier in 4.4, trust me :)
[12:29] <snarkster> is it possible to boot them system under the old install and adjust grub from there to boot from the new drive?
[12:30] <jussi01> !grub | snarkster, have you done the instructions here for after windows install?
[12:31] <snarkster> yup, windows boots just fine, linux boots just fine, just wanna move my boot drive for linux to the new drive.
[12:31] <Longjohns_75659> Great, changing the theme there made it all fuck up :p
[12:32] <jussi01> Longjohns_75659: watch the language please
[12:32] <snarkster> currently i have two installs of kubuntu 9.10 but only one shows up on the grub menu (the old one) I have reinstalled kubuntu on a new 640 GB drive want to leave windows on its own 250 GB drive.
[12:33] <snarkster> everything still works like its supposed to, just the wrong one. LOL
[12:33] <jussi01> snarkster: doh !
[12:33] <snarkster> i printed the grub howto, but the commands are turning up eithe rnot working, or s=not showing anything while using my usb install drive
[12:34] <jussi01> snarkster: but did you follow the instructions for lost grub after installing windows? (it applies also in this situation)
[12:34] <snarkster> yup
[12:34] <snarkster> i did df / and it showed aufs instead of /dev/sda1
[12:35] <snarkster> really strange.. btw needed to install grub on the usb drive (i know it wont stay there) cause grub isnt available by default on the live cd
[12:40] <snarkster> would be easier to just blow away the old linux partiton (increasing the size of the windows partition to full capacity and reinstall kubuntu on the new drive?
[12:41] <snarkster> cause i can do that in just a matter of a few minutes
[12:41] <Longjohns_75659> snarkster, make sure everything is backed up :p
[12:41] <snarkster> i already rsynced all my home directory to the new drive.
[12:50] <Corvus> Hm. The application keybindings I set in kmenuedit aren't working. Any thoughts where I should start looking for the problem?
[12:53] <Longjohns_75659> Oh well
[12:53] <Longjohns_75659> Thanks for trying, jussi01
[13:03] <alexanderwassber> Hej
[13:03] <alexanderwassber> :)
[13:08] <firewrks> I have an US English Karmic Kubuntu install.  I require the ability to input both English and Japanese Kana/Kanji.  (1) Is there a program that does this program conversion and then you can copy and paste without modifying the install? (2) Is there a way to toggle the keyboard input method on the fly between English and Japanese?  The install must remain English.
[13:19] <harris> wer am i
[14:02] <jrmy> bonjour francais ?
[14:03] <jrmy> ??
[14:03] <BluesKaj> !fr
[15:14] <sate> I have an annoying issue with theme switching
[15:15] <sate> For one it doesn't update when you install a new theme, and 2 it crashes
[15:15] <sate> Anyone else have a simular issue?
[15:18] <binarylooks> sate: this is something that slipped in the 4.4.0 release
[15:18] <sate> So the 4.3 doesn't have that issue?
[15:18] <binarylooks> it should be fixed for 4.4.1, it happens only on theme changes on not every time actually
[15:18] <binarylooks> AFAIK not
[15:19] <sate> What about installing more kde themes, not using the theme manager?
[15:19] <sate> that possible?
[15:19] <binarylooks> sate: although i do not remember the bug saying that updating did not work, it only mentioned crashes upon theme changing
[15:20] <sate> Kinda worried about my laptop running kde
[15:20] <binarylooks> sate: i have tried that a year ago
[15:20] <sate> When I browse firefox, my cpu fan runs constantly
[15:20] <binarylooks> sate: you can download a file (which is a zipped file) extract it somewhere and the theme ppears in the theme browser
[15:21] <sate> Can I ask you binarylooks if its possible to run kde, and not be so gpu intensive?
[15:21] <binarylooks> sate tried googe chrome? its quite good.
[15:22] <binarylooks> sate: turn off desktop effects is the only option
[15:22] <sate> How do you turn them off?
[15:22] <binarylooks> maybe if you have strigi running you can turn that off too
[15:22] <binarylooks> sate: system settings > desktop
[15:22] <sate> strigi?
[15:22] <binarylooks> sate: ok, step by step
[15:23] <binarylooks> sate: first open system settings
[15:23] <sate> k turned off the desktop effects
[15:23] <sate> now the strigi?
[15:24] <binarylooks> sate: strigi is a file index service, it looks trhough your file (content, not name) and stores data for later searches
[15:24] <Corvus> right, but that won't reduce gpu load
[15:24] <depa_> Hi all
[15:24] <binarylooks> it is usually not turned on by default but maybe in your case
[15:24] <Corvus> just cpu/ram
[15:24] <Corvus> ;-})
[15:24] <sate> I got 2 gigs of ram
[15:24] <binarylooks> sate: processor and gpu?
[15:25] <sate> umm 1.6 ghz duo
[15:25] <sate> intel graphics 945 extreme i think
[15:25] <sate> I ran counterstrike source on it once
[15:26] <Corvus> I'm currently running KDE 4.4. with Strigi enabled on my netbook
[15:26] <sate> does your fan turn on a lot?
[15:26] <Corvus> and Strigi isn't slowing me down much at all
[15:26] <Corvus> nope
[15:26] <sate> Does your computer seem warm?
[15:26] <Corvus> nope
[15:26] <Corvus> But I've turned off compositing
[15:26] <sate> I had this issue with win 7, so I went back to xp
[15:27] <sate> I really don't wanna switch to ubuntu
[15:27] <depa_> can anybody help me with eric4? It doesn't save my preference....
[15:30] <rav> hello. i managed to activate and use a usb mobile broadband modem last night. is there an application to count the downloaded MB through it?
[15:33] <chosig> using the opesource radeon driver, what packages to i need to install to get the opengl-dev files?
[15:36] <asraniel> hi there, what could be the cause of all the USB ports suddendly stop working? the usb printer, usb mouse and usb hard disk are not seen anymore (even after a newstart). it's not my pc, but my gfs. shes restarting now to see if windows has the same problem, but i'm already searching an answer if she comes back
[15:37] <sithlord48> asraniel , hardware failure? , or the module that controls the usb has suddenly broken
[15:38] <asraniel> sithlord48: i hope not. she tells me that it seems to work under windows
[15:39] <asraniel> sithlord48: even though, not totaly sure
[15:39] <sithlord48> asraniel, very simple does it work under windows or not , if it don't i would think hardware... if it does think software in kubuntu
[15:40] <asraniel> sithlord48: looks like some stuff like the mouse works under windows, but not the external hard disk
[15:40] <sithlord48> asraniel, and all the usb is down under kubuntu?
[15:40] <asraniel> sithlord48: from what she tells me, yes
[15:41] <sithlord48> asraniel, thats very odd.. i would advise you log back in to kubuntu plug in some usb and see if you get any output from lsusb
[15:41] <sithlord48> asraniel, that should give you a listing of all your usb devices.. including hubs in the machine
[15:42] <asraniel> sithlord48: i'll try that, lsusb, thanks for that command
[15:42] <sithlord48> asraniel, no problem.. im at work so i might just dissapear (if they give me real work to do that is)
[15:42] <sithlord48> asraniel, if im here let me know how it goes..
[15:43] <rav> NetworkManager overwrites /etc/resolv.conf each time it connects, but it doesn't automatically detect the broadband DNS and leaves the file empty, i have to re do it every time i connect
[15:43] <sithlord48> rav, you need to set that in NetworkManger for the connections DNS
[15:44] <rav> sithlord48: NetworkManager doesn't have a DNS configuration option for mobile broadband
[15:44] <sithlord48> rav, oh i missed that part..
[15:45] <sithlord48> rav, perhaps a script on connect to to either create or move the resolv.conf when you do connect
[15:46] <rav> sithlord48: NetworkManager doesn't have a script option for mobile broadband either
[15:46] <sithlord48> rav, before you go thru lots of trouble have you attempted to use wicd as your network manager, not sure if it does mobile broad band.. or not..
[15:47] <sithlord48> rav, it generally works better then NetworkManager (from my experince)
[15:47] <rav> sithlord48: tonight i will try to use kppp instead, it does have all those options
[15:48] <sithlord48> rav, that is what i use to dial out my mobile (but mine is via a usb port, to my cell phone)
[15:48] <rav> sithlord48: i did used it for a while in early jaunty, networkmanager hated my wifi card. but in karmic i've only used networkmanager
[15:48] <sithlord48> rav, sorry i use pppd..
[15:49] <sithlord48> rav, if you wifi card is not wifi0 (wicd's default) you will have to give it the proper device (could that be why it don't like you wifi card?)
[15:50] <rav> sithlord48: wicd did work, networkmanager was broken with my wifi card on jaunty. it works now on karmic with networkmanager, so i didn't install wicd on this install
[15:50] <sithlord48> rav, was wicd working for your mobile on jaunty ?
[15:51] <rav> sithlord48: i didn't have the usb mobile modem then, i just got it. it was a struggle to get it to work, there's no info about it since i'm in ecuador
[15:52] <rav> sithlord48: now that i know it works, i want it to work well :D
[15:52] <sithlord48> rav, i got you will i would try wicd, since it will handle all you connections and ez to install.. then if that don't work kppp is next
[15:52] <marcos> Qap
[15:53] <marcos> 0ac8:303b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. ZC0303 WebCam
[15:56] <rav> sithlord48: thanks, i'll give wicd a try
[15:56] <sithlord48> rav, no problem
[16:02] <juan__> aluien en castellano
[16:02] <juan__> alguien en castellano??
[16:02] <Pici> !es | juan__
[16:02] <juan__> gracias , por fin aluien que alluda
[16:11] <Corvus> So my menu keybindings are no longer working in KDE 4.4
[16:11] <Corvus> They don't appear in the keybindings module
[16:32] <ubuntu> complete reinstall of k9.10 on new hard drive in a dula boot system. Have printed the howto still cant get it to boot kubuntu i get grub rescue prompt
[16:37] <snarkster> am i going to have to reload both operating systems to get this fixed?
[17:10] <tzanger> good morning
[17:11] <tzanger> does Kopete have MSN webcam support in it on 9.10? kopete itself is supposed to, but on Kubuntu I have not been successful in getting webcam working with MSN.  Kopete sees the webcam and I can see myself in it in the config screen, but on MSN there seems to be no way to use it
[17:16] <Gecko> kubuntu/kde doesn't use pulseaudio for anything, right?
[17:19] <SatManUK> tzanger: i haven't tested it with msn, but it works for me skype and kopete - but i don' t know if its skype client or kopete displaying.. that confuses me..
[17:21] <tzanger> probably skype, as kopete's itnerface to skype is only for control
[17:27] <SatManUK> but its displaying the incoming webcam in a "kopete" window
[17:27] <SatManUK> not a skype window
[17:34] <qii> test
[17:45] <SatManUK> i am trying to open kontact but its refusing to load - how can i tell what the problem is?
[18:00] <brunosimoes> hi i need help setting a global proxy
[18:00] <brunosimoes> it seems to not work
[18:00] <brunosimoes> however with export works
[18:01] <brunosimoes> maybe i need to do something after set it at system -> network settings -> proxy
[18:02] <edakiri> Is there a KDE3 for lucid?
[18:02] <tsimpson> !kde3
[18:02] <edakiri> or if there were, where would it be?
[18:02] <edakiri> thanks
[18:07] <edakiri> I found https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic
[18:21] <maple1> I'M TROLLING
[18:22] <edakiri> maple1: for fish?  better luck here trolling for insects.
[18:25] <BluesKaj> pretty slim pickin's here , that word already has the ops looking at you , if you need that kind of attention to feel alive then keep it up :)
[18:26] <DarkriftX> what would cause me to not be able to right click on my desktop and get a context menu?
[18:27] <DarkriftX> nvm, my mouse actions were all empty
[18:27] <DarkriftX> I seem to have lost them somehow
[18:28] <edakiri> DarkriftX: does right click have any response at any time?
[18:29] <DarkriftX> no
[18:30] <DarkriftX> but i added the mouse action back in and it works now
[18:30] <DarkriftX> just not sure where/when they were lost
[18:30] <DarkriftX> i used to have 3 actions set under there (by default
[18:30] <DarkriftX> ) and i dont remember what they are
[18:33] <bentob0x> it really feels like an overall gui performance regression with my recent upgrade to 9.10/KDE4.4
[18:33] <bentob0x> switch between desktops soo slow
[18:33] <bentob0x> switch between tasks soo slow
[18:34] <bentob0x> and all this with desktops effects turned off
[18:34] <bentob0x> anybody would have an advice on how to optimise this?
[18:34] <dirtirider> hey
[18:34] <dirtirider> can sme1 point me to a good link to make live usb via command line
[18:35] <edakiri> bentob0x: glx no longer direct?  you can run glxinfo|grep -i direct  .  I do not remember what package it is in.
[18:35] <dirtirider> live-sub creatoe is not working 4 me
[18:35] <dirtirider> creater*
[18:36] <bentob0x> it is direct edakiri:
[18:37] <bentob0x> direct rendering: Yes
[18:37] <bentob0x>     GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
[19:21] <DarkriftX> how do i make a mouse click send a key combo?
[19:26] <WaltzingAlong> DarkriftX: kdesc44? system settings / input actions; there, new / mouse gesture action / send keyboard input  ; give that a try
[19:26] <DarkriftX> hrmmmm, trying now
[19:27] <DarkriftX> it doesnt take a button press, just a gesture :(
[19:27] <DarkriftX> but that was close
[19:36] <ct529> anyone knows about a good high definition webcam that works well in ubuntu, including skype?
[19:52] <WaltzingAlong> ct529: could ask in #ubuntu for that matter
[19:52] <WaltzingAlong> ct529: might not hurt to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams
[19:52] <ct529> WaltzingAlong: I have installed kubuntu ....
[19:53] <WaltzingAlong> ct529: ok. and i read that you asked about ubuntu
[19:53] <ct529> WaltzingAlong: I checked the wiki, but I would rather have some recommendations first hand from someone who had to solve exactly the same problem ....
[19:53] <WaltzingAlong> ct529: and the two share a good deal of components
[19:53] <ct529> WaltzingAlong: yes, they certainly share the drivers
[19:57] <icg> hi
[19:57] <icg> hi
[20:05] <DarkriftX> anyone know how to send ctrl + f11 through xvkbd ? I have tried all the examples I can but they just send the text from those keys, not the actual key presses
[20:18] <sidney> I installed LXDE in a multi boot system and opted to save grub to hd01 command sudo upgrade-grub dosen't work
[20:21] <amdman> .
[20:22] <sidney> amdman: ?
[20:24] <Viking667> 'llo y'all.
[20:24] <Viking667> I got a problem when I tried "apt-get update" this morning, it was the following:
[20:24] <Viking667> GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com karmic-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:24] <Viking667> Is there a known error with the karmic-security media?
[20:25] <amdman> is there a way to view all installed applications ?
[20:25] <Viking667> yes. dpkg -l
[20:25] <Viking667> (I think)
[20:26] <amdman> dpkg -i or -l ?
[20:26] <Viking667> -l  (ell)
[20:27] <sidney> Viking667: what is the command for sudo upgrade-grub if that dosen't work
[20:27] <Viking667> or else, start up synaptic. check off the "Installed" in the bottom left hand panel.
[20:27] <Viking667> sidney: that, I don't know.
[20:29] <amdman> that's correct Viking667 , thanks :)
[20:30] <Viking667> amdman: and just grep everything tha begins with ii at the beginning of the line.
[20:32] <amdman> why some replys have orange color ?
[20:33] <Viking667> amdman: if I'm referring you specifically, is that orange?
[20:34] <amdman> yes , how to do that ?
[20:35] <Viking667> simple.  Someone else mentions your own nick. The IRC client does the rest.
[20:35] <Viking667> So, ^^^ that ^^^ wasn't highlighted in orange, was it?
[20:35] <amdman> amdman: no
[20:35] <Viking667> whoops. Someone got in a join ahead of me.
[20:36] <Viking667> amdman: whereas, this line is highlighted.
yes

[20:36] <Viking667> brb. helping someone brush their teeth...
[20:37] <amdman> :D
[20:55] <Lord-Rahl> can any one tell me a way to sun-java6-plugin without firefox?
[20:58] <lalalol> hi there, since ive been using kubuntu 9.10 (my previous os was windows), some text is a bit blurry and when reading a whole article of it, it hurts my eyes tbh, do i need to install more fonts or change settings or so? plz help :)
[20:59] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: do you have a nvidia or ati video card?
[20:59] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, i have an ati video card
[21:00] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: has it ask you to install the drivers for it?
[21:00] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, no it didnt, i only had to install drivers for my wifi
[21:01] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: go to k menu > applications > system > there should be hardware drive icon click that
[21:02] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, hardware drivers?
[21:03] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: not there
[21:03] <lalalol> it finds 2 broadcom drivers, for my wifi
[21:04] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: are yo ok with term
[21:04] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, i dont have any idea what you mean
[21:04] <lalalol> yeah a bit
[21:05] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: ok open it up a type : lspci
[21:05] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: there should be a line VGA campatible
[21:05] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: what does that line say
[21:06] <lalalol> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[21:07] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: here is  a link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI I had to use this on may laptop
[21:08] <lalalol> my gfx card isnt supported in that list Lord-Rahl
[21:11] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: https://groups.google.com/group/x1250/
[21:12] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: there is a deb file on there for you
[21:12] <lalalol> thanks, ill search it
[21:13] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol:  hope it help. I know the pain of ati
[21:13] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, i cant find the deb file, can you tell me where you saw it?
[21:13] <lalalol> oh wait
[21:13] <lalalol> got it
[21:14] <lalalol> at the bottom
[21:15] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: it just like a exe in windows. download it a double click on it
[21:15] <lalalol> yeah
[21:15] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: it should do the rest
[21:15] <lalalol> the deb file is for 64bit though
[21:16] <lalalol> i have 32bit
[21:17] <lalalol> should i use this instead? xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.8.0-1_i386.deb
[21:20] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, ?
[21:20] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: yup[
[21:21] <lalalol> ok, :)
[21:22] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, "Error: a later version is already installed"
[21:23] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, btw, i think my computer uses an nvidia driver, cuz when i try to play a game under wine it says my nvidia driver is outdated
[21:23] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: I may be wrong but that what wine tell the game it is
[21:24] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: you diffently have ATI
[21:24] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, hm ok, what to do with that error then?
[21:24] <lalalol> yeah i know
[21:24] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: from the line of lspci
[21:24] <lalalol> im 100% sure i have an ati card
[21:27] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: can you do "cat /ect/X11/xorg.cofig" in a term and paste it http://codepad.org/ here and tell me the link
[21:28] <lalalol> u sure its cofig and not config?
[21:28] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: config sorry
[21:29] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, np
[21:29] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, when entering your command i get: "cat: /ect/X11/xorg.config: No such file or directory"
[21:30] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: no " "     so just    cat /etc/X11/xorg.config
[21:31] <lalalol> yeah i did lol
[21:32] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: type ati and hit tab does it give you anuthing
[21:32] <Lord-Rahl> should be like aticonfig or something
[21:32] <lalalol> doesnt give me something
[21:35] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: try this sound like you do that have a xorg.config file so it using the defults run this in your term sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:36] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, i dont understand what u want me to do, just enter that command?
[21:36] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: reboot see if it helps
[21:36] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:37] <Lord-Rahl> copy and pasit that in to your terminal
[21:37] <lalalol> ok
[21:38] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: :) hit enter follow the on screen prompts
[21:38] <lalalol> it asked my pass, entered it, then it stopped :S
[21:39] <nonameNN> hello all... one question, is there any package that actually can integrate google calendar with kde or korganizer with the clock applet?
[21:39] <Lord-Rahl> nonameNN: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/10/11/howto-two-way-sync-between-kontact-and-gcal/
[21:40] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: try to do the cat thing again see if you get something
[21:41] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, got the same error again like the previous time
[21:42] <Lord-Rahl> lalalol: file not found
[21:42] <vbgunz> does anybody else have a problem when resuming from suspension (sleep)? I am going back to sleep 10 seconds after waking up. please, anybody aware of this?
[21:42] <lalalol> Lord-Rahl, yeah, something like that
[21:43] <vbgunz> does anybody else have a problem when resuming from suspension (sleep)? I am going back to sleep 10 seconds after waking up. please, anybody aware of this?
[21:43] <vbgunz> sorrry about that
[21:45] <nonameNN> ok... kontact or korganizer cant show events on the kde calendar... so every single time i need to check whats up this week i need to open the program so no integration at all... thats the problem i just want to know if its an option im missing or its just like that
[21:46] <vbgunz> nonameNN: I think I might have noticed that today
[21:46] <vbgunz> you dont get any reminders until you actually open it?
[21:47] <nonameNN> yeah
[21:47] <vbgunz> maybe the daemon aint running, gonna check
[21:47] <nonameNN> well i dont know if an alarm will ring but just wanted to know if there was more integration to kde clock calendar
[21:51] <eduardo> hi
[21:56] <foursixzero> Hey, erm. Is there a appearence tab like the gnome?
[22:02] <foursixzero> whats the thing you hold down for the Cube?
[22:02] <foursixzero> as in the keys
[22:04] <jesse2> hello.  im running ubuntu 9.10, but i'd like to have KDE as well.  when i install kde, i log in using the KDE chosen as my desktop environment, but all i get is a black screen with a mouse cursor.  what gives?
[22:08] <vbgunz> foursixzero: go check out the shortcuts under appearance in systemsettings. desktop effects
[22:08] <vbgunz> all effects I believe should have a configurable shortcut on the effect itself
[22:11] <foursixzero> thanks vbgunz
[22:26] <senorpedro> holaaaa
[22:26] <senorpedro> how can i restart the kde panel?
[22:28] <BrotherDave> How can I change the color of my windows? I found a Theme that I like, but my windows don't change color.
[22:32] <erick_23> hello, =) good afternoon ...
[22:32] <BrotherDave> How do I update kubuntu? I just installed it :/
[22:34] <erick_23> I need help installing openoffice 3.2 on my Kubuntu 9.10
[22:35] <erick_23> I downloaded openoffice 3.2 from the webpage, uncomprressed it and tried to follow a forum but It did not work..


[16:39]  * pauljw is away: I'm no longer listening, so why are you still typing??
[16:42]  * pauljw is back (gone 00:03:22)


[01:27] <hallyn> sarnold: no, i hadn't.  not really sure where the configure_userns patch came from.  so the bug is that get_defaults() has to happen before the process_flags()?
[01:28] <hallyn> no,
[01:29] <sarnold> hallyn: oh, sorry, I had assumed you'd be more familiar with it.
[01:29] <hallyn> oh, yeah.  that is what's going on
[01:30] <hallyn> sarnold: sorry, no, happy to look into it later tonight but actually i suspect stgraber may know that area of code (the change in subuid values screams stgraber :)
[01:30] <hallyn> bbl
[01:31] <sarnold> hallyn: oh well feel free to poke stgraber instead and enjoy your evening :) hehe
[02:37] <hallyn> sarnold: i'm about to do a test-build and run, but patch looks legit to me
[02:37] <hallyn> sarnold: i always use adduser instead of useradd :)
[02:40] <sarnold> hallyn: heh, and I add users so infrequently I have to read both manpages several times every time.
[02:48] <mwhudson> i reliably try to use the wrong one first
[02:50] <hallyn> sarnold: patch works here.  were you planning to push it?
[02:50] <sarnold> hallyn: no; I just thought it'd be easy for it to slip through the cracks and (misremembered) I thought you had likely authored the patch referenced in the bug
[02:51] <hallyn> why is it 'fix committed'?
[02:52] <sarnold> hallyn: I think that's set automatically when there's the 'related branches' thing
[02:53] <hallyn> ok, i'd push it but i don't know what sort of process the shadow tree likes to go through (esp wrt merge requests) so i just marked it 'approve'
[04:07] <ruben23>  hi guys how do i change my timezone to DST..?
[04:08] <histo>  │23:56 Mr-Protoco+| we put in a few requests to him last week
[04:10] <histo> ruben23: ls -l /etc/localtime
[04:11] <ruben23> histo: what next to do..?
[04:11] <histo> ruben23: is it a symlink or a hard file I can't remember how debian is doing it these days.
[04:12] <ruben23> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 118 2014-04-22 02:17 /etc/localtime
[04:12] <histo> ruben23: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[04:12] <ruben23> ok done - next..?
[04:13] <histo> ruben23: did you select a zone?
[04:18] <ruben23> yes, but how do i know its DST..?
[04:21] <ruben23> histo: ..?
[04:22] <histo> ruben23: what timezone did you select?
[04:28] <ruben23> histo:  Australia
[04:29] <ruben23> i have that tiemzone already but Australia now are in DST
[04:29] <ruben23> so i need to adjust timezone i guess to hit correct time somehow..
[04:29] <histo> ruben23: what is date showing?
[04:30] <histo> ruben23: is the hardware clock set for utc?
[04:35] <ruben23> yes it is UTC
[04:43] <histo> ruben23: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime
[06:10] <vedic> Hey guys, I am using Ubuntu 12.04 and developing a web site. I want to test it on Internet Explorer 8, 9, 10, 11. How can I do that?
[06:12] <lordievader> vedic: Grab a Windows VM and install IE 8 through 11?
[06:18] <histo> vedic: there is a test ie package
[06:19] <histo> vedic: ttps://github.com/xdissent/ievms
[06:20] <histo> I can't find it now use that link
[07:08] <kaitanya> need help with quota. i'd like to set 300MB for group users on. my current info http://paste.ubuntu.com/7673149/
[07:09] <thana> hi all
[07:09] <thana> im trying to set up a 14.04 vm using packer
[07:09] <thana>  i put "openssh-server openssh-server/permit-root-login boolean true" into the
[07:09] <thana>                     preseed file. yet the password loging for root via ssh is still not allowed on the
[07:09] <thana>                     resulting system - any idea why?
[07:09] <thana> damn. that should be only one line. sorry
[07:10] <thana> "i put "openssh-server openssh-server/permit-root-login boolean true" into the preseed file. yet the password loging for root via ssh is still not allowed on the resulting system - any idea why?"
[07:17] <histo> thana: preseed didn't work then
[07:17] <histo> thana: probably packer issue
[07:18] <thana> histo: how do you mean this? preseed did work -- the default value false is changed to the epxected true
[07:19] <histo> thana: oh sorry misread
[07:19] <histo> ssh -vvv
[07:23] <thana> histo: why ssh -vvv? i do know already that the sshd_config is wrong ;)
[07:46] <sander^work> Some how /etc/mysql/debian-start regulary runs. How do I make it stop?
[07:47] <sander^work> And why does it needs to be run?
[08:07] <kaitanya> how do i chown all files in /home to <user>:users ?
[08:08] <kaitanya> found man chown
[08:08] <thana> histo: FYI: i used some sed magic as a preseed-latecommand to manually change the sshd_config.  works, but is ugly
[08:09] <kaitanya> solution to group chown /home/<user> is: chown -R :users /home/*
[08:09] <kaitanya> help with quota ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7673149/ ?
[08:21] <ikonia> kaitanya: don't need the * and its user:group
[08:22] <ikonia> kaitanya: that error message is nothing to be concerned about, it means you don't have quota's enabled
[08:24] <kaitanya> ikonia: but i wanted recursive chown to preserver username and change group to users so therefore chown :users
[08:24] <ikonia> kaitanya: chgrp
[08:32] <kaitanya> ikonia: i dont think u understood my problem. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7673436/
[09:35] <Hexch> Hi anyone know a full dns management system like atomiadns?
[09:35] <Hexch> I am also open for other suggestions
[09:49] <ikonia> kaitanya: what is the problem you want ?
[09:50] <ikonia> kaitanya: chgrp will change only the group
[09:54] <RoyK> Hexch: something like bind9? ;)
[10:00] <kaitanya> ikonia: problem solved. solution was to chown :group instead of user:group
[10:06] <kaitanya> ikonia: i stated in my paste ls -l and had user:group default and i wanted all of /home/* to belong to group 'users' and ls -l showed changed groupname users
[10:07] <ikonia> as I stated, chgrp will change JUST the group
[10:07] <mardraum> kaitanya: fyi, chgrp :D
[10:08] <ikonia> i said it 2 times
[10:08] <mardraum> I concur ikonia went above and beyond.
[10:13] <kaitanya> what wrong with chown :group vs. chgrp ?
[10:14] <kaitanya> same thing. problem solved
[10:15] <kaitanya> syntax with chown is either chown user:group or chown user or chown :group FYI
[11:03] <danley> Hi, I am trying to install Ubuntu Server 14.04 on my System. I have 4 500GB HDDs, all the same type. I want to put all of them in an LVM container, however for one of them, sdb, it can't initialize it, getting the error message "Can't open /dev/sdb1 exclusively. Mounted filesystem?". I have no mounted FS, I dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX all of the 4 drives, dmsetup ls finds no devices.... So I am running out of ideas. Do you guys know what might be
[11:03] <danley>  happening here?
[11:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, thinking we might want to push a new snapshot of openvswitch for trusty - there are alot of bug fixes in the branch we track
[11:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'll see if we can do that under our MRE
[11:43] <gnuoy> jamespage, I'd really like to see what the process is for that
[11:44] <jamespage> gnuoy, well its broadley https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:44] <gnuoy> ta
[11:44] <jerrcs> yikes, openvswitch fixes
[11:44] <jamespage> but we would do a general regressiont test with openstack to confirm nothing is to badly bust
[11:44] <jerrcs> I just upgraded a few kvm/ovs server groups to 14.04
[11:44] <jamespage> jerrcs, how did that go?
[11:45] <jerrcs> It went well. We prefer the built-in openvswitch support versus the module
[11:45] <jerrcs> The module was rather buggy at times, sometimes we'd have to reinstall openvswitch modules and it would break our networking.
[11:46] <jerrcs> upgrade was very smooth though, and no problems to report.
[11:48] <jamespage> jerrcs, ++ excellent
[12:51] <danley> Just an update for anybody who was reading my question: I installed the system without the 4th HDD and added the physical volumn to the VG after install, added it to my LV, resized the FS and everything worked fine then
[13:21] <hsnopi> morning
[14:14] <MACscr> ive setup 3 vlans on a bonded interface and i cant get a single vlan to show up. I know the bonding is correct as it worked fine with a bridge, but now i need 3 vlans and actually one of those vlans to be a bridge. LOL
[14:15] <MACscr> unfortunately i am not even seeing any errors about it that would help me troubleshoot the issue
[14:16] <MACscr> now the syntax im using on my 12.04 box is the same as what im using on my debian wheezy boxes that work
[14:17] <MACscr> http://pastie.org/private/vgqbgxcwg2ie3u4t9hqd4a
[14:22] <MACscr> ah, just spotted: 8021q: VLANs not supported on bond0
[14:22] <MACscr> hmm, thats odd
[14:26] <jpds> What are you doing with your network.
[14:31] <MACscr> jpds: well the network is a proxmox/ceph cluster. This ubuntu box is just a backup server and i run a few lxc guests on it for internal use
[14:32] <jpds> MACscr: I think you have to do something like: bond0.42, etc.
[14:34] <MACscr> ive tried that, no difference
[14:57] <GivenToCode> hi all, not sure if this is the best place but i am having issues trying to use fuse to mount an fs inside of an lxc container via docker. I believe apparmor is getting in the way
[14:58] <GivenToCode> id like to completely disable apparmor, but the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/apparmor.html don't really seem to disable it
[14:58] <GivenToCode> i've tried rebooting, yet apparmor continues to run
[15:07] <tyhicks> GivenToCode: you can add apparmor=0 to the kernel boot command line to completely disable it
[15:55] <GivenToCode> ok, so if I modify my profile to include 'mount fstype=fuse,' then reload apparmor I don't get the 'apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed type match" error=-13 profile="lxc-container-default-with-mounting" name="/tmp/foo/" pid=11589 comm="fusermount" fstype="fuse" srcname="/dev/fuse" flags="rw, nosuid, nodev"' message in dmesg
[15:55] <GivenToCode> however, the operation still fails with 'fusermount: mount failed: Permission denied'
[15:57] <GivenToCode> (basically what i am trying to accomplish works with privileged containers, but i am trying to run it as unprivileged and use lxc config and apparmor config to allow only what i need to mount via fuse)
[16:42] <mdeslaur> hallyn: so, I've filed a demote to universe bug for virt-manager: bug 1332618
[16:42] <mdeslaur> hallyn: can you get someone appropriate from the server team to +1 it, please, and I'll start merging virt-manager
[16:42] <hallyn> mdeslaur: +1 on that
[16:42] <hallyn> jamespage: ^ we've discussed that before i think, any objections?
[16:43] <jamespage> hallyn, no objections
[16:43] <hallyn> mdeslaur: in what form do you need the +1? :)
[16:43] <mdeslaur> hallyn, jamespage: great, could you comment in the bug
[16:56] <thurstylark> is there a way to do a default user profile on a ubuntu client when authenticating against Active Directory?
[17:10] <thurstylark> is there a way to do a default user profile on a ubuntu client when authenticating against Active Directory?
[18:07] <zartoosh> HI I have installed ubuntu 14.04. I like to start the services one at the time so i can debug an issue. I was told there is a grub option that will do this? thx


[01:43] <Pici> Anyone from ubuntu-br around? or someone who can help ssss here regarding an issue in -br?
[01:43] <Pici> I dont speak any portuguese.
[01:43] <ssss> spanish?:))
[01:44] <Pici> barely
[01:44] <ssss> Pici, put on me in ubuntu-br
[01:44] <Pici> ssss: I dont have that power
[01:44] <ssss> Pici, no?
[01:45] <ssss> Pici, for injustice in canal
[01:45] <ssss> in br
[01:45] <ssss> Pici, udontknow blok-me
[01:45] <Ekushey> ssss, you are banned on #ubuntu-br?
[01:46] <ssss> Ekushey, yes for injustice to sincerity
[01:46] <ssss> Ekushey, i need of chanel
[01:47] <Ekushey> ban list of -br is pretty large!
[01:47] <ssss> Ekushey, yes
[01:48] <ssss> Ekushey, doyou can help me?
[01:48] <Ekushey> sorry ssss, i don't know anyone from the -br team
[01:49] <ssss> Ekushey, udontknow?
[01:49] <ssss> Ekushey, nick=  udontknow
[01:50] <Ekushey> nope, ssss
[01:59] <Ekushey> UdontKnow, he parted
[01:59] <UdontKnow> yeah, seems to have quit?
[01:59] <UdontKnow> nah
[02:00] <UdontKnow> just in other channels
[02:00]  * UdontKnow talks to him
[02:00] <UdontKnow> thanks!
[02:00] <Ekushey> he says he's sorry :)
[05:50] <HardDisk> btw just a reminder that the EMEA for ubuntu membership was not posted on the fridge calendar :( I thought Seveas would have done that a few days ago.
[12:50] <elektronik123> i have ban on #ubuntu-pl Why ?
[12:53] <elektronik123> i have ban on #ubuntu-pl Why ?
[12:56] <Myrtti> well.
[12:57] <pressenter> elektronik123: Stop buging everyone.
[12:57] <pressenter> You are banned cause youre a nasty troll, talking ish all the time.
[12:57] <elektronik123> pressenter why i have ban only tell me
[12:57] <pressenter> Told you that this will happen, warned you a couple of times.
[12:58] <elektronik123> it is true
[12:58] <elektronik123> you give me warnings
[12:59] <pressenter> elektronik123: And not only i have warned you.
[12:59] <pressenter> You had been banned before, i took that ban off, and you started all your game again.
[12:59] <pressenter> elektronik123: Stop buging all ubuntu staff, that ban stays, get over it.
[13:00] <elektronik123> game ? what ?!
[13:00] <Myrtti> pressenter: if you want to, feel free to use polish
[13:00] <elektronik123> how long i must wait for unban ?
[13:01] <pressenter> elektronik123: I havent placed that last ban on you, but i guess that the one that placed it will not take it of.
[13:01] <pressenter> And its not a surprize for me.
[13:01] <pressenter> Myrtti: Thanks, but i dont have to. :)
[13:01] <elektronik123> i can wait one year from this day
[13:02] <pressenter> And what than?
[13:02] <Myrtti> np, just a sidenote
[13:03] <elektronik123> after 1 year can you unban me
[13:03] <elektronik123> ?
[13:05] <pressenter> elektronik123: Just one question: why should i? Youve been warned after your last ban, i was kind and took it of. Right after that you started acting just like before, adding olive to all flames or starting some of your own.
[13:05] <elektronik123> yes it is true
[13:05] <pressenter> I know, im not asking you about it.
[13:05] <pressenter> So you see, that ban stays.
[13:05] <elektronik123> it was my big error
[13:06] <pressenter> Three time?!
[13:06] <pressenter> C'mon!
[13:06] <pressenter> *times
[13:06] <elektronik123> i need long time ubuntu-pl prison
[13:06] <elektronik123> 1 year will be good
[13:07] <pressenter> Lol, now you are just being ridiculous.
[13:07] <pressenter> What will that year do?
[13:07] <elektronik123> one year can do big things in human
[13:09] <pressenter> elektronik123: Letting you in next time, after what you did and how you acted will not only be up to me.
[13:09] <pressenter> Msg me in a year, we'll see.
[13:09] <elektronik123> oki
[13:09] <elektronik123> ok
[13:09] <pressenter> And stop buging ubuntu staff, it's a bit childish.
[13:10] <pressenter> Thank you all for letting me know.
[13:10] <elektronik123> 17 06 2009 i am  waiting
[13:10] <pressenter> Take care and have a good day y'all.
[16:19] <HardDisk> btw just a reminder that the EMEA for ubuntu membership was not posted on the fridge calendar :( I thought Seveas would have done that a few days ago.
[16:22] <Myrtti> :-(
[19:59] <HardDisk> unofficially I want to say, I was hoping to get the membership to be a credible person in my local region to start a LoCo team.
[20:00] <HardDisk> unfortunately Seveas and others do not understand my situation, so I was not given it.
[20:00] <jpds> HardDisk: can't you just start a loco team anyway?
[20:00] <HardDisk> no
[20:00] <jpds> why not?
[20:00] <HardDisk> the first LoCo team failed
[20:00] <HardDisk> due to not having members
[20:00] <HardDisk> lead by other people
[20:00] <HardDisk> there was no "credible" members
[20:01] <jpds> hmmm, I know the guy who started the Nepal team from nothing, and he's not a member.
[20:01] <HardDisk> this means for me, that I have to wait again a few months to try to build my own rep as a single user, and then after I can being starting a LoCo team
[20:01] <HardDisk> jpds, I'm not in Nepal.
[20:02] <jpds> HardDisk: Didn't say you were. :)
[20:02] <HardDisk> here in Egypt there is a lot of mistrust
[20:02] <HardDisk> bureaucracy
[20:05] <jpds> locos and lugs take a lot of time and work
[20:08] <HardDisk> jpds, when you live in a country where piracy is the mainstream and IF I mean a BIG IF some piracy cop wanders around, they get paid to be quiet.  hardly anyone uses linux because there is no official means to show them.  Anyway I don't want to whine anymore, I was hoping to get it, i didn't that's that.  I'll go back to what I was doing.
[20:09] <HardDisk> jpds, we have a LUG that's been around since the 90's and all we have to show for it are less than 20 people
[20:11] <HardDisk> it's all about the first impression and how you present yourself.  if you're a credible person people will listen, if not, you're just "another IT guy"  you can't imagine if canonical did a small showcase here what a difference that would make.
[20:25] <jpds> I see.
[21:46] <elkbuntu> HardDisk, i did warn you, so please dont give up right away.
[21:48] <elkbuntu> if you're around in say 13hrs time, talk with me and we'll figure out what you can do.
[21:51] <Ekushey> hi elkbuntu!
[21:51] <elkbuntu> hi Ekushey, bye (work time ;() Ekushey!
[21:51] <Ekushey> have a nice day :)
[21:53] <jpds> woah, almost bed time here.
[21:53] <Ekushey> jpds, midnight?
[21:53] <jpds> Ekushey: 22:53
[21:54] <Ekushey> and it's 2:54 here ;)
[21:54] <Ekushey> wednesday already
[21:54] <jpds> am/pm?
[21:55] <Ekushey> am
[21:56] <jpds> Ekushey: . . . .
[21:58] <Ekushey> sleep tight jpds :)
[21:59] <jpds> Ekushey: no, I don't wear much sleeping.
[21:59] <jpds> I don't wear tight clothes even.
[21:59] <Ekushey> lol
[22:00] <jpds> but, nevertheless, thanks Ekushey, have a good night yourself :)
[22:02] <Ekushey> i need to change my sleep pattern... i goto bed at 7 and wake up at 4
[22:02] <Ekushey> haven't seen sunlight for some time now
[22:14] <[NikO]> bot spam with forza italia on u-fr
[22:15] <jpds> [NikO]: I'm booting, I'm booting ;_)
[22:25] <jpds> arg, my nose got flatten..
[22:25] <jpds> s/_/-/
[22:25] <jpds> there we go.


[14:53] <code1o6> Hi all, I wanted to make a custom ubuntu live cd. I'd like to include some files(python programs I wrote) and some .deb packages. Are there any tools to do this? is this the right channel to ask?
[14:53] <code1o6> Is it possible to do a fresh install on a vm, install what I need and then repackage it to a livecd?
[18:35] <tomreyn> IIRC there is one software which currently works for 're-spinning' live cd's. i keep forgetting it's name, though. some of the folks in #ubuntu-discuss would probably know. i think oerheks does.
[18:35] <tomreyn> code1o6: ^


[12:23] <b52lap> any one using Tomcat ?
[07:13] <whombat> hi @ all
[07:27] <man-di> I wondere what response times some people expect on irc
[12:00] <erich_> hi again, man-di... I'm affraid I'm stuck in the same place after building an entierly new kubuntu64 virtual machine, installing sdk6, the jini starter kit.. and bang - that same cluster of libc errors when I try to run the Lauch-all script... :-(
[12:03] <erich_> The only difference is that in order to even get the .bin installer to run in the first place, I have to strip all 'export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL" from it.
[12:05] <erich_> I'll be afk for a while (wife sending me shopping for dinner)... but I'll be back in about 30 minutes if anyone has any ideas for me to try. Thanks!


[20:14] <lvsmmusic> Hello everyone
[20:15] <lvsmmusic> It would be nice if #ubuntu had ChatGPT or alike one to help people? Is it possible to integrate it?
[20:23] <tomreyn> i clearly prefer humans supporting humans, and other humans pointing it out if those humans are biased, and the original human understanding this part.
[20:23] <tomreyn> https://www.makeuseof.com/openai-chatgpt-biggest-probelms/
[20:24] <lvsmmusic> tomreyn: ty
[20:25] <Fallen> It is an interesting project idea, though probably not an easy one.  I bet ChatGPT itself can solve some ubuntu problems :)
[20:27] <lvsmmusic> Fallen: Ubuntu can develop its own AI stuff right?
[20:28] <tomreyn> note that i had not responded here if i had previously noted you brought this topic up in three channels
[20:28] <Fallen> Ubuntu is more of an ecosystem of open source contributors, so I guess the answer is yes? :) Or did you mean Canonical?
[20:28] <arraybolt3> If Canonical wanted to, they could develop their own AI software, however that's not really what they're doing at the moment.
[20:29] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: FWIW, they did start in #ubuntu and then got pointed to *two* other channels.
[20:29] <arraybolt3> So the regular "don't crosspost" rule sort of got scrambled by us, not them.
[20:30] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: thanks, and sorry for my remark then, lvsmmusic
[20:30] <aaronprisk[m]> Time for the fediverse powered AI.
[20:30] <lvsmmusic> arraybolt3: ya
[20:30] <lvsmmusic> tomreyn: ok
[20:31] <arraybolt3>   aaronprisk[m] Let's make it a blockchain-based cryptocurrency too.
[20:31]  * arraybolt3 ducks
[20:32] <aaronprisk[m]> > * <@arraybolt3:libera.chat> ducks
[20:32] <aaronprisk[m]> I don
[20:32] <aaronprisk[m]> 't know what you're talking about. My UbuntuCoin is going to take off any moment now...
[20:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Having an AI-powered assistant for existing assistants sounds like it could be a really good idea. It would have to be fully open-source, though (or at least legally usable for the intended purpose without cost), and it would have to be a tool for human assistants to use, not a chatbot that tried to act as a standalone assistant, that would be too risky.
[20:37] <oerheks> I would like to see a script that gives the proper information on IRC, about your hardware, bios version, ubuntu version and so on..
[20:38] <leftyfb> there was one
[20:39] <arraybolt3> HexChat kinda does that I think.
[20:39] <leftyfb> no, that one is just anoying
[20:39] <leftyfb> annoying*
[20:39] <leftyfb> it had a weird name
 "Having an AI-powered assistant..." <- Agreed. Mycroft seems to have a nice framework in place for that kind of application. They had some pretty cool intent parsers on github, but I don't know how active their development is anymore.
[20:40] <leftyfb> ugh, matrix
[20:41] <lvsmmusic> Can I share a Youtube video link here that shows my inspiration for for an AI powered irc bot here?
[20:41] <leftyfb> aha! inxi
[20:42] <leftyfb> the problem with inxi is people have to install it first
[20:43] <leftyfb> inxi -F
[20:44] <leftyfb> inxi -F | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:44] <leftyfb> ^ good troubleshooting tool right there
[20:45] <arraybolt3> lvsmmusic: I don't see why not.
[20:46] <lvsmmusic> arraybolt3: ty
[20:46] <lvsmmusic> https://youtu.be/CQbkhYg2DzM?t=37
[20:46] <lvsmmusic> that one
[20:47] <lvsmmusic> For a long time I imagine one day ubuntu support will become like that
[20:50] <lvsmmusic> bbl


[13:29] <gonyere> Fyi I'll be in Jamaica this week,  so may not get to summaries :p
[15:03] <PaulW2U> gonyere: so far it looks like a slow news week - make sure you're back for the new release though ;o)
[15:04] <PaulW2U> pleia2: I'll do what I can re summaries but I did plan to be out this weekend ???