[00:21] <johnny77> Is there a way to know if a ppa is authentic? I'd like to try out Firefox 4, but do not want to install the nightly builds. I searched and found a ppa that says it will update the RCs. But should I trust it?
[00:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: There generally isn't a reason not to
[00:22] <holstein> johnny77: what does the page look like?
[00:22] <holstein> you should be able to 'open' it
[00:22] <holstein> and poke around
[00:22] <holstein> see what the packages are named at least
[00:22] <holstein> not that that is totally helpful
[00:23] <johnny77> here is where I found it. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/install-firefox-4-in-ubuntu-1004-1010.html
[00:24] <holstein> johnny77: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[00:25] <holstein> ive never *not* gotten a launchpad PPA for that reason
[00:26] <duanedesign> if it is a ppa on launchpad there is a certain amount of confidence you can have. I have never heard of a bad or malicous deb coming from Launchpad PPA
[00:26] <holstein> yeah, if it says launchpad.net, i trust it
[00:26] <duanedesign> hopefully if it did happen it would be taken care of quickly
[00:27] <duanedesign> the only thing like that i can remmeber recently was the wallpaper or screensaver that was on Gnome look
[00:28] <johnny77> ok, thanks everyone.
[00:29] <duanedesign> johnny77: did you find the cli companion ppa?
[00:30] <johnny77> duanedesign: I just stole what holstein posted on -team
[00:33] <duanedesign> cool
[00:34] <duanedesign> johnny77: feel free to file any bugs or suggestions you have
[00:35] <johnny77> duanedesign: will do.
[03:36] <RealEyes> I've got an Mp3 disc ubuntu won't read.
[03:36] <RealEyes> Howto fix??
[03:36] <pedro3005> install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:37] <RealEyes> I have.
[03:37] <pedro3005> does it read other discs fine?
[03:37] <RealEyes> yes
[03:38] <pedro3005> does the same mp3 disc work on windows?
[03:38] <RealEyes> havent tried
[03:38] <pedro3005> or another machine
[03:38] <pedro3005> are you able to?
[03:39] <RealEyes> havent tried
[03:39] <RealEyes> no big deal
[03:39] <RealEyes> oh, it's giving me a Dbus error
[03:39] <RealEyes> 'unable to mount disc'
[04:39] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[04:39] <Abhijit> hi
[04:40] <kristian-aalborg> hurm - if I install ubuntu via netinstall on one hdd, then move the hdd to another box - will it work?
[04:40] <kristian-aalborg> I mean, the install is "neutral", right?
[04:40] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: depends
[04:40] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[04:40] <holstein> usually its cool
[04:40] <holstein> the kernel is modular
[04:41] <holstein> you can run into trouble if you have proprietary drivers installed
[04:41] <holstein> like nvidia or whatever
[04:41] <kristian-aalborg> hm
[04:41] <holstein> and move to another box
[04:41] <kristian-aalborg> I'm not going to install anything, just do it on the faster/better box
[04:42] <kristian-aalborg> by "do it", I mean "install" (unfortunately) ;)
[04:42] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: should work just fine :)
[04:42] <kristian-aalborg> this is a CF/PCMCIA thingy that I have
[04:42] <kristian-aalborg> cool
[04:43] <holstein> i have SD card intalls
[04:43] <holstein> from my old EEE900
[04:43] <holstein> and i have booted them in an EEE1001p
[04:43] <holstein> and an hp mini
[04:43] <kristian-aalborg> you might know this also - as the machine can't boot from pcmcia, could I just have grub on the regular hdd?
[04:43] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i havent tried that
[04:44] <holstein> but i would think you should be able to have grub boot any HD it can see at boot time
[04:44] <holstein> any partition*
[04:45] <kristian-aalborg> so it seems - I forgot an usb pen and in an old machine (with an installation on it) and grub saw it
[04:45] <ddecator> i installed natty kubuntu, and the grub it installed is purple. any idea how i can change it to black?
[04:45] <holstein> ddecator: interesting
[04:46] <kristian-aalborg> ddecator: try something like "grub2 colors" on google
[04:46] <ddecator> holstein: yah, i have no idea why it's purple...
[04:46] <kristian-aalborg> sounds yucky
[04:46] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[04:46] <ddecator> kristian-aalborg: i am, but so far it's turning up stuff about theming instead of just simply changing it to black
[04:47] <holstein> ddecator: do you have a color entry?
[04:47] <holstein> in /etc/default/grub?
[04:47] <holstein> http://fosswire.com/post/2007/12/colour-your-grub-boot-menu/
[04:47] <holstein> ^ potentially relavant
[04:48] <kristian-aalborg> what about /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ?
[04:49] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: with that kind of install, will fstab be a mess?
[04:49] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: depends
[04:49] <holstein> you can always sort it out
[04:50] <dejai> Hello.
[04:50]  * kristian-aalborg is bad with that file
[04:50] <kristian-aalborg> but I guess I could
[04:50] <ddecator> holstein: the /etc/default/grub appears to be the default (no mention of a color change)
[04:50] <ddecator> hi dejai
[04:50] <kristian-aalborg> the sweet thing is, I'm going to keep the install that I have now... then I can just move over stuff :)
[04:51] <holstein> ddecator: im out of ideas :/
[04:51] <ddecator> holstein: not a big deal, just seems kind of odd..
[04:51] <nit-wit> ddecator, are you multiboooting
[04:52] <ddecator> nit-wit: yah, i have windows on here just in case. i've been doing that for a while and have done at least two fresh installs before now without the grub menu being purple, haha
[04:52] <dejai> Just wanted to post here saying I am working on a project called unity-extras to add features such as a moveable launcher (and other community requested features) to the project. If anyone is interested.
[04:52] <dejai> https://code.launchpad.net/~bwright-au/unity/unity-extras
[04:53] <nit-wit> ddecator, I was wondering I have maverick as the controlling boot on 4 os and the background is black
[04:54] <kristian-aalborg> ddecator: "set menu_color_normal=white/black" - is this in the file I mentioned?
[04:54] <ddecator> kristian-aalborg: oh, i didn't notice you mentioned that file. one sec
[04:55] <kristian-aalborg> ddecator: back it up and cp mine over it... one sec
[04:55]  * bwright is dejai
[04:55] <ddecator> kristian-aalborg: it's set to black/white already
[04:56] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/gB1hMFdC
[04:56] <kristian-aalborg> hurm
[04:56] <kristian-aalborg> dunno then... grub is a mystery
[04:57] <bwright> Grub was originally designed for hurd not linux, it is very odd indeed.
[04:57] <kristian-aalborg> anyway, 6 AM here
[04:57] <kristian-aalborg> I think it was designed for aliens
[04:58] <ddecator> kristian-aalborg: hm, mine is different from yours. i just realized that it mentions setting an aubergine background..
[04:58] <ddecator> http://paste.ubuntu.com/582768/
[04:59] <kristian-aalborg> backup your own and copy mine over it
[04:59] <kristian-aalborg> that's probably easier than tweaking by hand
[05:00] <ddecator> i'm just going to leave it for now. your file is really different from what's in mine, and i don't want to risk borking things just because the grub menu is purple :p
[05:01] <kristian-aalborg> ddecator: there should be no risk?
[05:02] <kristian-aalborg> although a borked grub is something to fear of course... but to my understanding, this file is all about "superficial" things
[05:02] <ddecator> shouldn't be, but i don't mess with anything in /etc unless i really need to, just to play it safe
[09:43] <kristian-aalborg> are you people using DBAN before installation? I'm wondering if it's making a difference for a CF card which has been swiped with gparted...
[09:45] <head_victim> I had to google dban so no, never used it sorry. Someone else might have though.
[09:55] <kristian-aalborg> hi head_victim
[09:55] <kristian-aalborg> I found an alternative
[10:04] <head_victim> kristian-aalborg: good to hear, sorry I wasn't able to be more useful
[10:05] <kristian-aalborg> no worries, who's using CF these days anywho? ;)
[10:37] <kristian-aalborg> is ext4 bad for CF?
[10:52] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, I guess I could prepare stuff in gparted
[11:07] <dr0pb3ar> g'day everyone can someone give me a hand with a problem I am having... it's probably an easy one
[11:08] <dr0pb3ar> I downloaded a program today called Mobile Atlas Creator 1.8.1 in the file there is a file called start.sh, mobile atlas creator.exe and mobil atlas creator.jar
[11:08] <dr0pb3ar> I have tried to make the files executable
[11:08] <dr0pb3ar> I have java installed
[11:09] <dr0pb3ar> I don't really know where to go from here
[11:09] <dr0pb3ar> any ideas
[11:15] <bwright> Hey.
[11:15] <bwright> Try executing java mobil\ /atlass\ /creator.jar from terminal and post the output to pastebin if it fails.
[11:16] <bwright> Oh actually
[11:16] <bwright> pastebin start.sh
[11:16] <bwright> And I can figure out what it needs to run.
[11:16] <dr0pb3ar> okay
[11:21] <dr0pb3ar> http://pastebin.com/mJUkVUSv
[11:21] <dr0pb3ar> here it is
[11:36] <bwright> dr0pb3ar: And start.sh?
[11:36] <dr0pb3ar> okay
[11:36] <dr0pb3ar> hold on
[11:37] <dr0pb3ar> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/582877/
[11:39] <bwright> not the ouput.
[11:39] <bwright> edit start.sh
[11:39] <bwright> and copy that
[11:40] <dr0pb3ar> oh sorry
[11:40] <dr0pb3ar> wait
[11:40] <dr0pb3ar> #!/bin/sh
[11:40] <dr0pb3ar> # This file will start the TrekBuddy Atlas Creator with custom memory settings for
[11:40] <dr0pb3ar> # the JVM. With the below settings the heap size (Available memory for the application)
[11:40] <dr0pb3ar> # will range from 64 megabyte up to 512 megabyte.
[11:40] <dr0pb3ar> java -Xms64m -Xmx512M -jar Mobile_Atlas_Creator.jar
[11:41] <bwright> Alright so the application is trying to run with java and failing so it is spewing out those exceptions
[11:41] <dr0pb3ar> oh
[11:41] <dr0pb3ar> I am pretty sure I installed java correctly today
[11:41] <dr0pb3ar> through synaptic
[11:42] <dr0pb3ar> (build 1.6.0_24-b07)
[11:42] <dr0pb3ar> that's what I have
[11:42] <bwright> You may actually need to install sun_java that is my guess
[11:43] <dr0pb3ar> I am pretty sure that I have... I am a bit of a spastic so might have done something wrong
[11:43] <bwright> If you installed it from the repos it is openJDK
[11:43] <bwright> ubuntu dropped support for sun-java recently
[11:44] <bwright> Well they don't package it
[11:44] <dr0pb3ar> oh... can you talk me through putting that on?
[11:46] <bwright> Google ubuntu sun java 3rd link
[11:46] <dr0pb3ar> okay... thanks
[11:46] <bwright> 10.10 or 10.04?
[11:47] <bwright> Replace lucid with maverick essentially is all you need to do if on 10.10
[11:47] <bwright> If that doesn't work just search around for ubuntu 10.10 sun java
[11:49] <dr0pb3ar> 10.10
[11:49] <dr0pb3ar> oh okay
[11:50] <geirha> You enable the partner repository and install the sun-java6 packages...
[11:50] <dr0pb3ar> then what... just run start.sh?
[11:51] <dr0pb3ar> how do I know if it is done right?
[11:52] <dr0pb3ar> is there a way to check?
[11:52] <geirha> It looks like you have sun-java installed correctly
[11:53] <geirha> if java -version says  (build 1.6.0_24-b07) in there
[11:53] <bwright> Hmm maybe a missing dependency or a bug?
[11:53] <dr0pb3ar> oh
[11:54] <dr0pb3ar> how should I try to launch the program? by running start.sh?
[11:54] <dr0pb3ar> or with the .exe file?
[11:54] <bwright> .sh .exe don't work natively on linux.
[11:55] <geirha> change to the directory where start.sh is located, and run ./start.sh
[11:55] <dr0pb3ar> okay
[11:56] <dr0pb3ar> as in just type "run  ./start.sh"
[11:56] <geirha> ./start.sh
[11:56] <geirha> nothing else
[11:58] <geirha> Oh it came from a zip-file. It won't have the execute permission then.
[11:58] <geirha> chmod +x start.sh
[11:58] <geirha> ./start.sh
[12:00] <dr0pb3ar> it just brings up all of those errors
[12:02] <geirha> I've downloaded it myself now, and tried it.
[12:02] <geirha> And it works here
[12:05] <geirha> I guess your best bet is to write a bug report on it at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=238075&atid=1105494
[12:19] <lorizean> hey guys, i got a problem with compiz/nautilus. I'm trying to set it up so I get multiple wallpapers (one for each workspace), but I cannot get it to work. I've found several guides which all tell me the same thing - install the wallpaper plugin, select the pictures i want and disable show_desktop under nautilus.
[12:19] <lorizean> when I do that, I get transparent black desktops which do not refresh, i.e. nothing at all I suppose
[12:20] <lorizean> i searched some forums but didn't rly find a solution yet...
[12:23] <lorizean> oh, I'm using 10.10 btw
[13:31] <bobo123> hello. if I want to test a program, for example VLC 1.1.7 without installing it, is that possible?
[13:32] <MrChrisDruif> bobo123: I don't think that is possible, how did you think that would be possible?
[13:33] <bobo123> well.. I would love if it was possible. to run a linux application just like a dos-program so to speak.
[13:34] <MrChrisDruif> I've heard about portable Linux apps, but not everything is available I think...
[13:34] <bobo123> MrChrisDruif: or like a "portable windows appliction", but for linux
[13:34] <bobo123> aha
[13:35] <MrChrisDruif> bobo123: http://portablelinuxapps.org/
[13:35] <bobo123> cool! I look there!
[13:37] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome bobo123 :)
[13:40] <bobo123> :-D
[13:41] <bobo123> the webpage lists a VLC 1.1.5 version but the file seems to be missing. so perhaps I try that "VLC 1.2.0-git" version instead then
[13:42] <MrChrisDruif> The 1.1.1 is also available I see...but you can try 1.2...it's for trying, right?
[13:44] <bobo123> yup
[13:45] <bobo123> btw, is it possible to have two versions of a program installed in ubuntu? so it is possible to two different versions of a program at the same time (even when there is no portablelinuxapps for it)
[13:47] <bobo123> or "install" a program in a directory in my homedirectory instead of in the system
[13:58] <melsaswah> hi
[13:58] <melsaswah> can someone help me , i can get to the login screen, if i  log into recovery mode it's ok
[13:58] <melsaswah> normal mode i can't see any thing (just the mous and a wallpaper) any ideas ?
[14:00] <bobo123> melsaswah:  ok but you have desktop wallpaper and the mouse is working, only gnome is not starting?
[14:01] <melsaswah> yea
[14:02] <melsaswah> i can get into recovery envirment thgough
[14:02] <melsaswah> i'm on it now (on the other pc)
[14:06] <bobo123> strange that gnome doesn't start for you, (but it works in recovery mode?)
[14:07] <melsaswah> i have gui in recovery mode
[14:07] <melsaswah> not in the normal one
[14:09] <bobo123> I suppose you might have some setting that makes gnome not working (and it does not use that settings in recovery mode)
[14:09] <melsaswah> i suppose so
[14:09] <melsaswah> how do i alternate this (it might be video problems)
[14:09] <bobo123> perhaps you can try remove gnome (including settings) and reinstall it
[14:10] <bobo123> I must run now, i'll be back in an hour if there are noone else that can help you
[14:11] <melsaswah> just tell me how to remove gnome
[14:11] <bobo123> I suppose you can find it if you start synaptic and reinstall gnome from there
[14:11] <melsaswah> ok thanks
[15:12] <bobbycheetah> Using Ubuntu, gnome,  System drop-down menu - Click on "About Ubuntu"  briefly opens a tab in the taskbar, but then disappears, and the "About Ubuntu" window never appears.  I do know I'm running 8.04.1, but want to know why this "function" is not working.
[15:21] <aveilleux> bobbycheetah: Is there a particular reason you're still on 8.04.1? I can't really help you since the "About Ubuntu" menu item hasn't been around for quite some time, but I suggest you look in Alacarte (System > Preferences > Main Menu) and see if its menu item looks correct.
[15:21] <geirha> bobbycheetah: In a terminal, what happens when you run:  yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[15:22] <geirha> aveilleux: It's still there in 10.04
[15:22] <aveilleux> geirha: Is it? I don't have that option (in 10.10)
[15:22] <geirha> I use 8.04 on my laptop too
[15:22] <bobbycheetah> $ yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[15:22] <bobbycheetah> Segmentation fault
[15:23] <geirha> that's odd
[15:23] <geirha> $ type -a yelp
[15:25] <bobbycheetah> didn't understand that...
[15:25] <bobbycheetah> type "-a yelp"  ?
[15:26] <bobbycheetah> obviously didn't work.   however.
[15:26] <bobbycheetah> "type -a yelp"  looks like  "which yelp"  = /usr/bin/yelp
[15:28] <geirha> Yes, type is the command you should've used when you use which.
[15:28] <geirha> i.e. which is useless.
[15:28] <geirha> But anyway, that's the expected output, so it sounds like yelp in 8.04 has a serious bug.
[15:29] <geirha> Try reinstalling the yelp package though, just in case one of its files have been corrupted for whatever reason.
[15:29] <geirha> sudo aptitude reinstall yelp
[15:29] <bobbycheetah> oh.  just used to "which" from my unix experience.   ok, not a big deal.  will try that. thx!
[15:32] <geirha> Yeah, it's used in all kinds of silly unix/linux howtos, but your shell has the builtin type command which is much saner since it also shows you functions and aliases.
[15:32] <geirha> which is non-standard, it's output differ between system, and it's an external command (often a script), so it can't show you aliases and functions.
[15:33] <geirha> s/it's/its/
[15:34] <bobbycheetah> reinstall of yelp didn't help
[15:34] <bobbycheetah> or should I try to reboot?
[15:35] <geirha> Reboot is only necessary if you've installed a kernel update.
[15:35] <geirha> It doesn't hurt to try, but I doubt it changes anything. I'd consider reporting a bug.
[15:36] <bobbycheetah> k. thx again
[16:15] <bobo123> is ubuntu softwarecenter, supposed to list all applications that is available in synaptiic, or only some of them?
[16:16] <aveilleux> bobo123: It's just another apt frontend, so I assume  it lists the same applications
[16:16] <holstein> bobo123: synaptic and the softwarecenter *should* list what is availalbe in the repositories
[16:16]  * aveilleux does not use Software Center
[16:16] <holstein> BUT, the software center has a certain 'look and feel'
[16:17] <nhandler> You also will want to check what filters are enabled, as those could prevent you from seeing certain applications
[16:17] <bobo123> it seems to be impossible to find firefox in softwarecenter without searching. Internet/Webbrowsers lists Arora, Chromium and others but not Firefox
[16:19] <bobo123> but when I search in softwarecenter i lists it (in the list as "safe and easy web browser from Mozilla" with the decription "firefox" with small text under it)
[16:20] <bobo123> it is not in the lists of Installed software there either
[16:22] <bobo123> aveilleux: yeah I don't normally use Software Center either. And perhaps now even less...
[16:23] <holstein> bobo123: thats FF
[16:23] <aveilleux> bobo123: I don't even use Synaptic, really... just aptitude install
[16:28] <bobo123> ah.. well I have allways used synaptic, but thought the sofwarecenter was worth a try but.... but appearently it is a bit buggy (at least in 10.04)
[16:29] <holstein> bobo123: buggy?
[16:29] <holstein> i mean, you might think it sucks or whatever
[16:29] <holstein> and i dont like to use it ether
[16:29] <holstein> BUT, that is firefox
[16:29] <holstein> safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[16:29] <holstein> AND, if you think about simplifying the process for new users
[16:30] <holstein> you dont really need to explain firefox much
[16:30] <holstein> its installed by default
[16:30] <bobo123> well you cant find firefox in it..... and it the names/decriptions for some applications is backwards.... and the idea behind softwarecenter was (i thought) that it only lists applications, not libraries and other support-packages.. but it do lists "ffmpegthumbnailer-dbg, debugging informations for ffmpegthumbnailer" so I guess it doesn't do that right either
[16:32] <bobo123> (and yes I allready have firefox installed, it is default installed, so it is not a big problem that you can't easily find it in softwarecenter.. but perhaps there are more programs missing in it too?)
[16:34] <holstein> bobo123: its not really for us
[16:34] <holstein> as a target audience
[16:35] <holstein> its more for someone who just installed ubuntu
[16:35] <holstein> and is looking for whatever
[16:36] <bobo123> mm...
[16:43] <bobo123> I wish the good parts of softwarecenter would be implemented in synaptic though... it has nice sized screenshots directly (kind of important for games), and nice categories (the Sections list in synaptic is not so good), and is it possible to filter in synaptic to only show applications? (well really only graphical applications)
[16:44] <aveilleux> bobo123: You might like the work that's being done on aptitude-gtk
[16:44] <bobo123> oh.. a gtk version? I should check that out perhaps
[16:45] <negatiiv> Hi Folks. I'm trying to vnc over the internet (ssh tunnel) to my home windows computer. My ssh server (22) is on my linux computer (<IP_ADDRESS>) on the same network as my windows computer (<IP_ADDRESS>). I'm really confused how to do this. I can ssh to my linux computer by typing: ssh myaccount.dyndns.org. So can I tunnel the 5900 traffic from the laptop i'm on right now, over the internet, through my linux computer and over
[16:45] <negatiiv>  that lan to my windows computer?
[16:48] <aveilleux> negatiiv: do ssh -D 9999 myaccount.dyndns.org
[16:48] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Then you have a tunnel into that machine at localhost:9999
[16:49] <aveilleux> negatiiv: I'm not really sure how you can point traffic to the VNC host... is forwarding port 5900 from the machine out of the question?
[16:50] <negatiiv> its not out of the question, if I knew how to do it :D
[16:50] <aveilleux> negatiiv: How did you forward port 22?
[16:51] <negatiiv> on my router I forwarded 22 to my linux computer (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[16:51] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Yeah, so... do that, except port 5900 to <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:52] <negatiiv> isn't that sending 5900 traffic outside of the ssh tunnel?
[16:53] <aveilleux> Well, yeah... I wasn't talking about tunneling. I was talking about port forwarding.
[16:53] <negatiiv> oh okay
[16:55] <aveilleux> negatiiv: If you set up SSH access to the VNC host, you can use the -via flag on the vncviewer command to encrypt the connection
[16:56] <aveilleux> negatiiv: So instead of SSH'ing into one machine and bouncing to another, you basically connect vncviewer to SSH, then launch the viewer
[16:57] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Is SSH access to the first machine a necessity?
[16:57] <negatiiv> sweet, it's working now with the ssh -D 5900 myaccount.dyndns.org. Then I opened the remote desktop viewer and put in my linux computer as the ssh tunnel
[16:57] <negatiiv> nope its not
[16:57] <negatiiv> *nope its not a necessity
[16:58] <negatiiv> i tried setting up ssh access to the vnc host by installing copssh (cygwin based i think) but i couldnt get it to accept my ssh connections
[16:58] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Ohhh, it's a Windows machine
[16:58] <aveilleux> negatiiv: I missed that part
[16:58] <negatiiv> so I just figured that since I already had ssh server set up with pka and everything on my linux computer, i would try to use it
[16:59] <negatiiv> earlier I was VNCing to my linux computer, then opening another vnc to my windows computer, but of course that was very very slow haha
[17:01] <negatiiv> Thanks for the help!
[17:01] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Try this. ssh -L 5901:<IP_ADDRESS>:5900 myaccount.dyndns.org
[17:01] <negatiiv> ok
[17:01] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Then VNC into localhost:1
[17:02] <aveilleux> negatiiv: It's been a long time since I've used the -L flag, so this may be a massive shot in the dark
[17:04] <negatiiv> that one doesn't seems to work, I just get a black box in my remote desktop viewer. no error though..
[17:04] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Shake the mouse?
[17:04] <negatiiv> no worky
[17:04] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Hm.
[17:05] <aveilleux> negatiiv: It's progress, at least.... hm.... try VNC'ing into localhost:5901
[17:07] <negatiiv> same thing, black window
[17:10] <aveilleux> hrm.
[17:13] <negatiiv> going to try changing from wireless to wired incase that's having any bad effects
[17:13] <negatiiv> oh nevermind i'm already on wired.. hehe
[17:34] <aveilleux> negatiiv: Hm, I don't know... it just worked for me
[17:35] <aveilleux> negatiiv: What VNC server are you running on the Windows machine?
[17:36] <s-fox> =)
[17:52] <negatiiv> aveilleux: I think my problem may be the client i'm using right now.. vinagre. i'm getting some "error creating the ssh tunnel" errors with that client. i'm going to try the tightvnc client
[17:52] <negatiiv> i'm using tightvnc server on my windows computer
[17:55] <holstein> negatiiv: i really like remmina
[17:55] <holstein> not sure if it will do what you want either
[17:55] <holstein> tightvnc has always worked well too
[18:00] <negatiiv> tightvnc connected the first time for me when I did this:
[18:00] <negatiiv> vncviewer -via myaccount.dyndns.org <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:05] <negatiiv> gotta head out, thanks for the help!
[18:40] <melsaswah> hey all
[18:40] <melsaswah> i need help booting without vga support (in verbose mode)
[18:45] <holstein> melsaswah: what are you trying to accomplish?
[18:45] <holstein> a headless machine?
[18:50] <sumedh> I use Acer 5745G with Nvidia DT 330M 1gb graphics card! After I install its driver and restart my laptop doesnt login like normal in graphical mode! It asks my username na all terminal mode or whatever u call it!!! And I can never see my desktop until I boot from generic mode n reset graphics settings!
[18:51] <holstein> sumedh: have you tried the proprietary driver?
[18:51] <holstein> for nvidia?
[18:51] <bioterror> you should look logs from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:51] <sumedh> M a noob!
[18:51] <sumedh> Can u give me sum directions?
[18:52] <holstein> sumedh: when you say 'after i install its driver'
[18:52] <holstein> what does that mean?
[18:52] <holstein> you get a prompt for a 'restricted driver'?
[18:52] <holstein> and you install it?
[18:53] <sumedh> No!
[18:54] <sumedh> Its normal installation
[18:54] <sumedh> No probs!
[18:54] <sumedh> It just asks me to restart like usual!
[18:54] <holstein> sumedh: it?
[18:54] <holstein> what is it?
[18:55] <sumedh> ubuntu!
[18:55] <sumedh> It shows a green light nr d driver!
[18:55] <sumedh> K!
[18:55] <sumedh> W8
[18:55] <sumedh> lets start again!
[18:56] <sumedh> I install a fresh copy!
[18:56] <holstein> sumedh: of ubuntu?
[18:56] <holstein> 10.04?
[18:56] <holstein> 10.10?
[18:56] <holstein> 32bit?
[18:56] <sumedh> 10.10
[18:56] <holstein> OK
[18:56] <sumedh> 64 bit
[18:56] <sumedh> They dont have ne!
[18:56] <sumedh> :((
[18:56] <holstein> ne?
[18:56] <sumedh> *any
[18:57] <sumedh> sry!
[18:57] <holstein> any what?
[18:57] <sumedh> K!
[18:57] <sumedh> Now I go to additional drivers
[18:57] <holstein> OK
[18:57] <holstein> sumedh: why?
[18:57] <holstein> is the open one not going to work for you?
[18:57] <holstein> you feel you need the proprietary one?
[18:58] <holstein> or is 3D not supported for your device by the open source one included with ubuntu?
[18:58] <sumedh> NO!
[18:58] <sumedh> I cant use visual features!
[18:58] <holstein> sumedh: compiz... OK
[18:59] <sumedh> I install NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver
[18:59] <holstein> you'll need to sort out how to install the proprietary drivers then
[18:59] <sumedh> I installed it!
[18:59] <sumedh> It installs fine!
[18:59] <sumedh> After installing I have to restart it right?
[19:00] <holstein> sumedh: i would also update first
[19:00] <holstein> make sure all your pacakges are up to date
[19:00] <holstein> and you are running the lastest availalbe kernel
[19:01] <sumedh> ya!
[19:01] <sumedh> I just downloaded it 4m d site!
[19:01] <holstein> it?
[19:02] <holstein> sumedh: are you up to date with your packages?
[19:02] <sumedh> Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:02] <holstein> ya?
[19:02] <holstein> is that yes?
[19:02] <sumedh> It is a general prob!
[19:02] <melsaswah> sorry i got what i was searching for :)
[19:02] <holstein> melsaswah: cool :)
[19:02] <sumedh> It happens wid Mint too!
[19:02] <holstein> it?
[19:02] <melsaswah> i have a problem with my ati card though
[19:03] <melsaswah> i have no video driver installed
[19:03] <holstein> melsaswah: you have no desktop?
[19:03] <melsaswah> i have a desktop
[19:03] <sumedh> it = UBUNTU
[19:04] <melsaswah> but i think it's working on generic
[19:04] <holstein> sumedh: ubuntu happens with mint too?... im having a challenging time understanding you...
[19:04] <melsaswah> i.e full screen vids, and compiz crash the machine (freeeze)
[19:04] <holstein> melsaswah: that can happen
[19:05] <holstein> melsaswah: what is the ATI device?
[19:05] <sumedh> Sry!
[19:05] <sumedh> Same prob!
[19:05] <melsaswah> x600 radeon
[19:05] <sumedh> Like it boots in dat mode
[19:06] <sumedh> 4m commandline boot!
[19:06] <holstein> melsaswah: maybe check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[19:06] <holstein> seems like there might be a relavant PPA
[19:07] <holstein> in the 'getting better 3d support' section
[19:07] <melsaswah> thanks
[19:08] <melsaswah> when i input lspci -nn | grep VGA i get no answer
[19:08] <holstein> sumedh: maybe something like http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/linux/351-ubuntu-linux-on-the-acer-aspire-5745g-laptop
[19:08] <holstein> would be helpful for you
[19:09] <holstein> melsaswah: interesting
[19:09] <melsaswah> sorry vga had to be VGA
[19:09] <sumedh> K!
[19:40] <lee1954> hello?
[19:52] <earthling_> what is the linux generic kernel update about? and what is "bump ABI" ?
[19:52] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[19:53] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/
[19:53] <jhana-frog> is it a security update earthling_?
[19:53] <earthling_> yes
[19:53] <holstein> earthling_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=378271
[19:54] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, one of the entries in my fstab does not show up when I do blkid
[19:55] <earthling_> thx holstein
[19:56] <earthling_> do you guys always install all the security and recommended updates?
[19:57] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: what about sudo fdisk -l ?
[19:57] <holstein> earthling_: i usually take updates
[19:57] <kristian-aalborg> same
[19:57] <holstein> i dont do it as regular as i should on my server machine probably
[19:58] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: something is missing?
[19:58] <holstein> a partition?
[20:00] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: http://pastebin.com/DePQX4WL <--- I tried piping them together, hope it's readable
[20:03] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: sdb ?
[20:03] <kristian-aalborg> compact flash in pcmcia
[20:04] <holstein> hmmm
[20:04] <holstein> does it mount otherwise?
[20:33] <HoboSteaux> my 10.10 server dropped into an initramfs shell, unable to mount the root drive
[20:33] <HoboSteaux> how do i fix  this?
[22:38] <LukasB> Hi can anybody answer a short question please? Where do I find programs in ubuntu? Is there a search command for the terminal?
[22:39] <LukasB> I just want to find the exe of filezilla...
[22:40] <nit-wit> synaptic or software center
[22:41] <nit-wit> no exe in ubuntu
[22:44] <LukasB> nit-wit: Oh thanks. Actually I don't want the filezilla exe, but I use filezilla and want to open a file with bluefish. So when I want to choose a program to open this file with, where do I find it? Because it comes up with the file directory
[22:45] <jhana-frog> well, except with wine :)
[23:11] <Luigi> !ZFS
[23:11] <ubot2> For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[23:16] <Luigi> Hello All! Newb questions. Can anyone tell me if i set up a samba server can a linux client access the shares as well?
[23:18] <Luigi> Nevermind. I found it. Didnt read far enough. Thanks


[00:01] <persia> micahg: Hey.  Any idea about enigmail/armel?  Seems to build, and then suddenly fall apart due to a missing chrome.manifest.
[00:01] <micahg> persia: no, I can take a look later
[00:02] <persia> Thanks.
[00:06] <lfaraone> If a package manual talks about using another application to get information to use in this package, and there is a maintainer helper script that uses said other application, but it's not technically needed to run the upstream software, should that be suggests or recommends?
[00:08] <micahg> lfaraone: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html  See section 7.2
[00:08] <lfaraone> micahg: so I guess it's "suggests"?
[00:09] <micahg> lfaraone: It depends
[00:09] <micahg> lfaraone: did you read the 2 descriptions?
[00:10] <micahg> lfaraone: not technically needed bumps it from Depends, the rest is dependent on how it's normally used
[00:10] <persia> Do I need a release team ACK to drop a superceded source package from the archive?
[00:11] <lfaraone> micahg: yes, I did.
[00:11] <micahg> lfaraone: so, the question is how common is it to use the other app, if common, recommends, if not, suggests
[00:11] <lfaraone> micahg: basically, "foo" taks as parameters a bunch of things about your monitor configuration. "foo_easy" (written by me) gets that information from xvidtune.
[00:12] <lfaraone> micahg: and the manpage for "foo" (adapted from upstream text) talks about using xvidtune to get that information.
[00:13] <micahg> lfaraone: actually, U should rephrase, the manual said recommends is a package is found together in all but unusual installations
[00:13] <micahg> oops
[00:13] <micahg> that should be I
[00:13] <lfaraone> mk, suggests still then.
[00:15] <persia> Note that there's a certain amount of subjectivity in the distinction between recommends/suggests.  I've had people disagree with my opinions on which is correct previously (and with good arguments).
[00:15] <micahg> persia: that's exactly why I won't answer the question directly :)
[00:16] <persia> micahg: Always a good choice :)
[02:49] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: isn't libperl-critic-perl in universe?
[02:49] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Not anymore
[02:50] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: is someone else (besides me or ivoks) requested its inclusion in main?
[02:50] <RoAkSoAx> s/is/has
[02:50] <ScottK> It was needed as a build-dep for something else.
[02:50] <ScottK> I'm going through the Main FTBFS and depwaits
[02:52] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: oh ok, because we wanted it at first for the Cluster Stack, but then ivoks realized that it wasn't actually needed, and that's why we dropped the hardcoded depends on perl modules for cluster-agents and cluster-glue
[02:57] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: you might wanna take a look to [1] if you are tracking the dependencies down... [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClusterStack/MIR?action=diff&rev2=44&rev1=36
[02:57] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: I'm not specifically focused on cluster stack.  Just getting all the stuff that's already in Main buildable and installable from Main.
[02:58] <ScottK> I think it's a coincidence that your cluster stack stuff got touched so heavily.
[02:58] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: i know I was just explaining why those MIR's were marked as Invalid :)
[03:00]  * ScottK nods
[03:00] <RoAkSoAx> ;)
[03:11] <MTeck-ricer> So.. does anything actually depend on plymouth other than plymouth-* ? I know a coupdl have Depends: plymouth - but do they actually depend on it being there?
[03:12] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:12] <ScottK> I know what you're thinking.   Don't do it.
[03:12] <MTeck-ricer> ScottK: :P - how do they depend on it?
[03:12] <MTeck-ricer> ScottK: I'm just curious because as far as I can see it looks like it only provides a splash screen
[03:13] <ScottK> I don't recall the details but plymouth is involved in properly serializing IO during boot or something like that.
[03:13] <ScottK> It doesn't.
[03:14] <MTeck-ricer> alrighty
[03:14] <MTeck-ricer> ScottK: thanks
[03:15] <MTeck-ricer> ScottK: so is it not possible to tear those two pieces of functionality apart?
[03:15] <ScottK> MTeck-ricer: Anything is possible.  There is a possible system where they are separated, that's not the one we have.
[03:41] <MTeck-ricer> How can I see what replaced a package from karmic?
[03:45] <persia> MTeck-ricer: You can't, triviallly.  You can try fiddling with grep-dctrl or look at dependencies of the rdepends of the package being replaced.  Sometimes there are transition packages.
[03:46] <MTeck-ricer> persia: oh- i was trying to figure out what replaced gnome-volume-manager
[03:51] <persia> MTeck-ricer: Which bit of gnome-voume-manager?  It used to do lots of different things.  I think the media players replaced some of it, nautilus replaced other bits of it, etc.
[03:52] <persia> But you might ask in #ubuntu-desktop: they're more likely to know for sure.
[03:58] <MTeck-ricer> persia: ok, if you don't know i'll pop over - I want to figure out what handles the magical mount/unmount of external devices
[03:59] <persia> For GNOME, that's nautilus.  For XFCE, that's thunar.  I don't know for other environments.
[04:00] <MTeck-ricer> thunar doesn't do that though
[04:00] <MTeck-ricer> unless there's something it's just not doing on my system
[04:04] <MTeck-ricer> persia: I guess I have to run - but I've been using thunar and it doesn't seem to do any magical mounting
[04:04] <MTeck-ricer>  - when you plug in a device
[04:05] <persia> Ask in #xubuntu-devel : it should.  I know I added it to the MID edition when we did that precisely for this feature.
[04:06] <MTeck-ricer> persia: ok, thanks
[05:12] <psusi> hrm... getting there... after defragging ureadahead time during boot drops from 7 to 4 seconds...
[05:14] <persia> psusi: What's your total wallclock now?
[05:14] <psusi> persia, my what?
[05:14] <persia> Total boot time.
[05:15] <psusi> not sure since it remains a fairly constant around 1 min due to waiting 45 seconds after mountall to shut down
[05:15] <persia> (from the perspective on a clock on the wall of the room in which your computer is contained, in case you're doing something odd with the computer's sense of time during boot)
[05:15] <persia> Ugh.  What's that 45-second wait?
[05:16] <psusi> but before vs after defrag, time spent in ureadahead drpos from 7 to 4 seconds
[05:16] <persia> Right, which made me think you were one of those folks who had the 7-8 second boot.
[05:17] <psusi> ureadahed still spends an unaccptable amount of time open()ing the files since it keeps blocking on a single 4kb read of the directory before continuing
[05:18] <persia> That you consider it unacceptable leads me to believe that it won't be that way for maverick :)
[05:18] <psusi> indeed ;)
[05:18] <psusi> when booting from my rotational disks, it's about 1 second of time spent with virtually zero IO while ureadahead open()s all the files it is about to readahead
[05:19] <psusi> I need to paralellize those opens across multiple threads to speed it up since it seems you can not readahead() directories
[05:19] <psusi> and that's why the open() calls block... have to read the directory blocks to figure out where the files are
[05:19] <psusi> even after defragging
[05:21] <psusi> hopefully during mav I can get a few people to test defrag for me ;)
[05:23] <persia> Did you make a nice GUI that shows all the blocks getting put in the right place?
[05:23] <psusi> yea ;)
[05:23] <persia> Then I'm sure you'll get testers.  People always like GUIs.
[05:24] <psusi> though this defrag program has been around since dinasaures ruled the earth... was originally written by theodore ts'o and remmy card and linus back in like the 1990s
[05:24] <psusi> or 1980s even
[05:24] <psusi> I"m just reviving it
[05:24] <psusi> it's a simple ncurses ascii gui
[05:25] <persia> The main obstacle is the myth that you don't need to defag extN
[05:25] <psusi> generally speaking you don't.. not in the way you "NEED" to defrag window
[05:25] <psusi> windows
[05:25] <psusi> but I'm getting it to interact with ureadahead to pack the files that ureadahead reads at the start of the disk so they can be real uber fast
[05:26] <persia> I think the semantic distinction between "don't need" and don't "NEED" has been lost along the way.
[05:26] <psusi> exactly
[05:26] <psusi> windows NEEDS defragmented since it tends to get HORRDIBLY, HEDIOUSLY FRAGMENTED due to using the most retard algorithm for block allocation known to man
[05:27] <psusi> most of the time ext[234] does a good job of minimizing file fragmentation these days, especially ext4
[05:28] <persia> Yeah.  OS 7 did something like that, where it loaded the kernel, extensions, type mapping, base applications, and directory entries at the "beginning" of the disk, so they would get read (in order) on startup for faster startup.  Mind you, that was still measured in minutes, but...
[05:28] <persia> Well, if there's free space, yeah, it's rare to have a fragmented file.
[05:28] <psusi> but this old e2defrag program lets you specify a priority list so it will pack certain files first.. so I can have all the files that ureadahead wants packed at the start of the disk so they read in real fast
[05:29] <psusi> crap, wife says it's past my bed time
[05:29] <psusi> have to resume this tomorrow... night...
[05:30] <persia> Are modern rotary disks fast enough that one can actually put all the bits in order at the beginning and read them, or does one still benefit from staggering it a bit to deal with discrepancies between sustained throughput through the interfaces and raw disk read speed?
[05:30] <persia> Ah, good night.
[05:44] <MTeck-ricer> persia: just figured it out :D    sudo aptitude install thunar-volman     hald && thunar --daemon
[05:45] <MTeck-ricer> persia: thanks :)
[06:58] <micahg> how does one recover from this in a prerm script:  update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/seamonkey doesn't exist.
[07:10] <micahg> persia: around?
[07:37] <persia> micahg: Now.
[07:37] <micahg> persia: :)
[07:37] <micahg> how does one recover from this in a prerm script:  update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/seamonkey doesn't exist.
[07:40] <persia> One 1) only runs the prerm under certain conditions (check the arguments), and 2) tests for the presence/absence of an alternative path prior to calling update-alternatives.
[07:46] <micahg> persia: so if I do a -e on the path before running it I should be ok?
[07:48] <persia> micahg: Um, I think you want something richer, but that's a minimal test
[07:49] <micahg> persia: is there a better way
[07:50] <persia> Well, update-alternatives accepts --query and --display.
[07:54]  * micahg will go with simple for now
[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[08:23] <adahendra> morning
[10:21] <james_w> persia: could you take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~voronov84/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-dev-tools/lucid/+merge/23577 please?
[13:11] <MTeck-ricer> persia: I thought it was working, wake up and no more :(
[14:00] <c_korn> can sbuild be configuered to run lintian -i on the generated debs ?
[17:49] <blueyed> Any hints on skipping dbconfig setup with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive? (bug 560144)
[18:31] <ScottK> pychecker is back in Universe after the next publisher run.  Thanks again ajmitch.
[18:43] <arand> If there are already simple-cdbs patches named both with letters and numbers (10.patch bar.patch foo.patch) should one maintain that naming and just add z01_foobar.patch (to fix order) or rename the old patches with numbers, when trying to keep the fix as SRU-friendly as possible?
[18:44] <ScottK> arand: Don't rename the old patches.  An SRU should be the slightest fix possible.
[18:45] <arand> ScottK: Ok, noted.
[19:04] <MTeck-ricer> Is there any PHP-5.2.x package for 10.04?
[19:05] <MTeck-ricer> I'm dealing with an ugly issue that I need to use the old version of php
[19:14] <micahg> MTeck-ricer: don't upgrade to lucid then
[19:16] <MTeck-ricer> micahg: I'm just curious if it's an option. That's the one and only issue with 10.04 and that has nothing to do with Ubuntu - that's bad coding.
[19:17] <samgee> hi guys. I found http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gambas2/gambas2-doc_1.9.49-2ubuntu1_all.deb, but there doesn't seem to be a source package for that version. That's a bug, right?
[19:20] <joaopinto> samgee, the source is available, source package name gambas2
[19:20] <jpds> samgee: Might be related to bug #549041.
[19:21] <samgee> jpds, oh lovely, that's the bug I indirectly reported to James :)
[19:21] <jpds> Heh.
[19:22] <samgee> joaopinto, I know what the source package's name is, I just can't find it for that version
[19:22] <samgee> I find it a bit strange that it's only of medium importance, though
[19:24] <joaopinto> samgee, ops :|
[19:25] <samgee> joaopinto, thanks for helping anyway ;)
[19:34] <samgee> btw, is there anything I can do to help fix that bug? Apart from the gpl violation it's also just annoying when I come across it while working on our own repo.
[19:39] <jpds> samgee: Fix Soyuz?
[19:40] <samgee> I guess so
[19:40] <jpds> I would ask around in #launchpad-dev.
[19:40] <samgee> ok, thanks
[19:40] <RoAk> james_w, why would I get this while doing a bzr diff? http://paste.ubuntu.com/418789/
[19:57] <james_w> RoAk: probably the root id changed, but I'm not sure
[19:59] <RoAk> james_w, weird, how would I resolve it?
[20:00] <james_w> RoAk: dunno, depends what you are doing
[20:00] <geser> last time I saw this, I ignored it and hoped it won't reappear in the next merge
[20:01] <micahg> ttx: is there any reason why phpmyadmin doesn't depend on some version of mysql server?
[20:01] <RoAk> james_w, i'm merging redhat-cluster from debian testing. THe current version in Ubuntu a new upstream release package by ivoks, so Im guessing that something went wrong there?
[20:01] <ttx> micahg: hmmm... because it can be installed on a separate host, maybe ?
[20:02] <james_w> RoAk: probably a bug in the importer. I think you should just carry on
[20:02] <RoAk> james_w, will do then. thanks :)
[20:03] <micahg> ttx: the problem is that we're getting faliures if mysql isn't configured before mysql
[20:03] <micahg> ttx: I meant mysql before phpmyadmin
[20:04] <ttx> micahg: is there a bug number ?
[20:04] <ttx> zul: could you look into that ^ ? I'm leaving now
[20:04] <zul> sure
[20:04] <zul> is there a bug number?
[20:04] <micahg> ttx: zul: bug 566840
[20:05] <micahg> zul: I saw a couple others
[20:05] <zul> micahg: its a common dbconfig-common problem
[20:06] <micahg> zul: is there a master bug to dupe these to?
[20:06] <zul> not really its a design of dbconfig-common
[20:07] <micahg> zul: well, should we create a bug then?  This happens with other mysql based apps as well like request tracker
[20:07] <ajmitch> the problem is that postinst shouldn't just blow up, though it does it on too many packages
[20:08] <zul> micahg: sure go ahead....hey ajmitch
[20:08] <ajmitch> morning
[20:08] <micahg> zul: k, should I subscribe you?
[20:08] <zul> micahg: yep
[20:08]  * micahg will do this later
[20:35] <doctormo> ScottK: This is basically what I want to do: http://imagebin.ca/view/79p58iGb.html
[20:37] <ScottK> Looks ~right in the amount of time I have to look at it now.
[20:39] <doctormo> It passes the ebert review test, I'm going to dig up some other people to have a look too: persia?
[20:57] <andreserl> james_w, could you take a quick look to lp:~andreserl/ubuntu/lucid/redhat-cluster/merge-from-testing-lp-566858 and see if the branch is correct?
[22:19] <persia> doctormo: Chapter 2: drop "contrib"  Maybe <i>others</i>?, chapter 3: `debuild -b` to get binary, chapter 4: the queue uses sbuild rather than pbuilder (but a special fork of sbuild: maybe "buildd queue"?)
[22:20] <persia> james_w: looks right: I'll merge that in a bit.
[22:22] <persia> So, lovely.  bzr merge can't actually process that :/
[22:36] <doctormo> persia: Where you saying that a packager should write their control file manually?
[22:37] <persia> Lots of places.  I generally say that in any forum where it's appropriate.  I don't think our control file generation tools are good enough yet.
[22:37] <persia> We do best for python, with python-stdeb and python-distutils-extra (listed in the order of my preference), but we do fairly poorly for other sorts of code.
[23:21] <imbrandon> evening all
[23:27] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[23:34] <imbrandon> soooo i need to find a DD near ( ~100miles ) me
[23:34] <imbrandon> lol
[23:35] <imbrandon> maybe a lazyweb post about it
[23:35] <imbrandon> bring someone out of the woodwork
[23:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch: you do python(web) stuff for work alongside your php dont you ?
[23:38] <imbrandon> i wanna commission a specific feature for a python cms ( floss ) even if i have to pay to get it done, i just cant wrap my head arround it to get it "right"
[23:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I do a little
[23:46] <imbrandon> intrested in looking into my request ? i'm *estimating* ( not well because i'm not a python guru ) its about a ~2 hour "project" and i'm willing to put $100usd into it , we can take it private if your intrested ( this is a gpl'd cms and i would like the code to also be released gpl etc so it has a chance to make it upstream )
[23:58] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ok


[06:31]  * enyc meows
[19:33] <xnox> when i run ./update script in ubuntu-meta it generates:
[19:33] <xnox> Added wpasupplicant to desktop-raspi
[19:33] <xnox> Removed genisoimage from desktop, desktop-minimal, desktop-raspi
[19:33] <xnox> but i don't know why at all.
[19:33] <xnox> cause i would have thought that networkmanager pulls in wpasupplicant always
[19:34] <xnox> and genisoimage is weird because i don't see why it was in desktop in the first place, and i see no seed changes about it, or anything in the archive.
[19:35] <xnox> aha https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/0.3.8
[19:35] <xnox> i see this now.
[19:36] <xnox> oh wpasupplicant is in desktop-common and raspi-common, ok then.
[19:37] <KGB-0> glib tags 61a57c9 Simon McVittie upstream/2.67.3+git20210214 * Upstream version 2.67.3+git20210214 * https://deb.li/r570
[19:37] <xnox> ok then, looks sane, although i think we can drop wpasupplicant.
[19:37] <KGB-0> glib upstream/latest 4d67359 Simon McVittie * pushed 61 commits * https://deb.li/3m3Dj
[19:37] <KGB-0> glib pristine-tar 07128b4 Simon McVittie glib2.0_2.67.3+git20210214.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.67.3+git20210214.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.67.3+git20210214.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3k544


 :P lol
[00:44] <valorie> ewww
[00:45]  * valorie readies the dunce hat
[00:45] <valorie> no spitballs in the channel!
[00:46]  * clivejo taps his watch and looks at tsimonq2
 Am I late or something? :P
[00:50] <clivejo> kdevelop is late
 OMG :P
[01:02] <clivejo> dont OMG me
[01:22] <wxl> want me to fix it instead? :)
 Give it a try
[01:27] <wxl> it seems to me kci isn't really working as aforementioned
[01:27] <wxl> that said, what's the issue?
[01:29] <clivejo> I wanted tsimonq2 to prepare 5.0.3 for release
[01:30] <clivejo> like here - https://launchpad.net/~kdevelop/+archive/ubuntu/release/
[01:31] <clivejo> https://www.kdevelop.org/news/kdevelop-503-released
[01:32] <wxl> i can give that a go
[01:32] <clivejo> shouldnt be a huge task, just use the existing packaging and fix it up
[01:32] <wxl> couple unrelated questions:
[01:33] <clivejo> just a number of dependencies
[01:33] <wxl>  1. am i seeing correctly kci is NOT all back to normal?
[01:33] <clivejo> wxl: what are you seeing?
[01:34] <wxl>  2. it seems the way kde does things, translations never come until release time. that said, mauybe we shouldn't have a kexi-l10n package? no one else seems to do things this way..
[01:34] <wxl> clivejo: i said it up there a bit. let me show you again
[01:34] <wxl> clivejo: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/scmPollLog/
[01:34] <wxl> ^^^ failing to git poll because it can't find git
[01:35] <clivejo> well thats been failing from the 8th and we only switched today
[01:36] <clivejo> so very unlikely to be the new server at fault
[01:36] <wxl> hm k
[01:36] <wxl> although
[01:36] <wxl> when i pushed to kexi last, it built
[01:36] <wxl> but not this most recent one
[01:37] <clivejo> Im not sure on the git triggers
[01:37] <clivejo> we might have to wait until kci.pangea.pub is pointed the to correct IP
[01:38] <wxl> well i was able to use the URL to trigger it
[01:38] <wxl> the merger appeared to happen but then everything else failed
[01:38] <wxl> nothing's built all day
[01:38] <clivejo> well the config was changed a week or so ago
[01:39] <clivejo> KCI only triggers M-F at 0:00 UTC
[01:39] <clivejo> it takes the weekends off now
[01:39] <wxl> OH
[01:39] <clivejo> LP do maintenance at the weekend and was failing a lot of builds
[01:40] <clivejo> plus KDE generally only commit M-F
[01:40] <clivejo> so we figured lets give it S and S off and we can use it to poke our own stuff
[01:42] <wxl> so i guess i could just make it build manually, no?
[01:42] <clivejo> you could yes
[01:43] <wxl> so what about the l10n thing?
[01:43] <clivejo> I dont understand your question
[01:44] <wxl> hm now i'm second-guessing myself trying to explain it
[01:45] <clivejo> we only release, released KDE software
[01:45] <clivejo> well, we should only do that
[01:48] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhJQSpy3Luc
[01:49] <clivejo> he needs a dickie bow
 See how he spells his name, clivejo? :P
[01:49] <clivejo> Haruld
 Har*a*ld
 (Photo, 190x62) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vWzrTSRo/file_1346.jpg
[01:50] <clivejo> He gives a great explanation of why KCI was born
[01:50] <clivejo> basically to spread the workload over time
[01:51] <clivejo> instead of big bang releases
[01:58] <clivejo> personally Id love to get the test ISO's working again
 And stable... :P
[01:59] <clivejo> tsimonq2: https://youtu.be/zhJQSpy3Luc?t=729
[02:00] <clivejo> used to be a bit of python but was replace due to performance concerns
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/19/
 Screw it, I'm rewriting in Assembly. :P
[02:06] <clivejo> Java
 Absolutely not
[02:10] <clivejo> why not??
 It's disgusting...
[02:11] <clivejo> its not, its modern OOP
[02:19] <DarinMiller> Hey everyone!
[02:19] <clivejo> hi DarinMiller
[02:20] <DarinMiller> Survived the obligatory in-law Christmas party.  Ready for the fun.
[02:20] <DarinMiller> Hi clivejo o/
[02:21] <clivejo> plendy of drink?
[02:25] <DarinMiller> Unfortuneately no. Neither side of family drinks much....
[02:27] <clivejo> how do you manage to survive them then?!?
[02:27] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: Hi Simon.  If you are around are up for packagine Kdevelop 5.0.3 (with me directly in tow of course).
[02:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_umbrello build #51: STILL FAILING in 41 sec: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_umbrello/51/
[02:29] <DarinMiller> This time of year can be quite dreadful for such events so we usually keep the visit fairly short.  Only way for me to maintain sanity.
[02:34] <clivejo> strange, KCI is only triggering zesty builds after a git trigger
[02:37] <DarinMiller> OK, I pulled kdevelop from here: git clone -b kubuntu_unstable git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdevelop
[02:38] <DarinMiller> If wanted to do an sbuild, I understand I need a zip file.  Where do I grab that?
[02:39] <clivejo> use uscan
[02:39] <clivejo> bump the latest build in the changelog, add an entry and use uscan to grab the source
[02:40] <clivejo> source is here - http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/5.0.3/src/
[02:40] <DarinMiller> use dch to bump the changelog?
[02:41] <clivejo> yes
[02:41] <clivejo> but dont left my PPA stuff in there, that hasnt been released
[02:42] <clivejo> leave
[02:42] <clivejo> on that note, Ill hit the sack
[02:42] <clivejo> night night
 o/ clivey
[02:43] <clivejo> o/ Simey Wimey
[02:43] <DarinMiller> here do I find uscan?  I don't see it in kubuntu-automation and did not find it in the apt list
[02:43] <DarinMiller> where^
[02:43] <DarinMiller> hey tsimonq2 \o
[02:44] <clivejo> install devscripts
[02:44] <DarinMiller> night clivejo o/
[02:44] <clivejo> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man1/uscan.1.html
[02:45] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: in the mood to drag me thru kdev pkging?
 no sorry
 long day @ work
 I need sleep
[02:45] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: np.
[02:46] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: I know exactly how you feel (that's me most every day M-F).
[02:47] <DarinMiller> I will play around and see what trouble I can cause on my own.
[02:53] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_umbrello build #52: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_umbrello/52/
[06:25] <DarinMiller> can't figure out why uscan fails to dl http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/5.0.3/src/kdevelop-5.0.3.tar.xz
[06:26] <DarinMiller> watchfile looks fine  compared to other watch files (it was missing an empty 2nd line, but that did not help either).
[06:28]  * DarinMiller wow, the uscan perl script is quite large....
[06:34] <DarinMiller> nm: since I downloaded 5.0.3 from unstable, uscan --verbose says I have the latest version and package is up to date.
[13:11] <ghostcube> hi folks any news for this one here
[13:11] <ghostcube> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362449
[13:11] <ghostcube> cause audacity cant open cds too
[13:19] <ghostcube> folks <genstorm> ghostcube: audiocd-kio is ported in 16.12.0
 hmm doesnt help me fpr kubuntu 16.04
 nope
[13:20] <ghostcube> it couldnt be you cant open a audio cd in kubuntu 16.04 with dolphin
[13:21] <ghostcube> can you pls backport the 16.12 versions into lts? the suggestion in kde is to use 16.10... oh kubuntu
[13:25] <ghostcube> maybe you need to talk to the kde guzys? cause for them not portin audio cd support is after it is ported a new feature... maybe iam a bit off reality but this is truely shit
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:32] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/10981333
[13:32] <ghostcube> conversation in kde about audio cd
[13:35] <clem_l> hi everyone
[13:35] <clem_l> can you review http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3175 and let me know if you'd like anything changed/rephrased/added?
[13:43] <soee_> o/
[13:44]  * soee_ installing kernel 4.8.14
[13:51] <acheronuk> clem_l: that seems great from my perspective :)
[13:53] <clem_l> I might add KDE in front of Plasma 5.8 in the title
[13:55] <acheronuk> yeah, end users don't quite get the distinction, and this is an update of the whole KDE stack, not just plasma
[13:57] <clem_l> yes, you also find people who think it's relevant to them and don't use the KDE edition :)
[13:57] <clem_l> the more we succeed the more novice our average joe is unfortunately
[14:02] <acheronuk> clem_l: agreed. that is why the motto "Kubuntu, making your PC friendly"
[14:04] <acheronuk> I REALLY want to get kubuntu back to focusing on that concept, so I think we should get some better collaboration going. that may be mint, or debian or Neon. I have no issue with any of them
[14:05] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: -landing has Apps 16.04.3 right?
[14:06] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: yep
[14:06] <ahoneybun> alright
[14:08] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: I don't think we can tell users to use konsole with apt to update no?
[14:08] <ahoneybun> 16.04 has Muon not Discover
[14:08] <acheronuk> sadly we can't ship newer that until debian/ubuntu sort the whole qtwebengine mess
[14:08] <acheronuk> *newer appa
[14:09] <acheronuk> *appa
[14:09] <acheronuk> oh FFS
[14:09] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: I left a draft at least
[14:09] <acheronuk> *apps!
[14:12] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I would stick with command line instructions for testing, as to be bluntly honest, anyone who doe not get how to use that probably should not be testing in the first place
[14:14] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: yea I kinda think the same
[14:14] <ahoneybun> also having ppa purge knowledge
[14:16] <acheronuk> indeed. the mint bog post is live now, so If you could get something on kubuntu.org PDQ that would be great
[14:20] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[14:20] <ahoneybun> good to have on there no?
[14:23] <acheronuk> probably, as no doubt this will get spread across multiple sites and forums
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/f6uFLgXj/file_1348.png
 there
[14:25] <acheronuk> clem_l: I relied on your forums here, but can you do a sticky? https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=235157&p=1251070#p1251070
[14:26] <clem_l> oh yes, it's here https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=235291
[14:26] <acheronuk> i.e. not stick that thread but do your own?
[14:26] <clem_l> gtg though, I'll be back in the evening
[14:26] <ahoneybun> any good acheronuk?
[14:26] <clem_l> it's relayed on twitter/facebook/website too, so it should grab people's attention eventually
[14:26] <clem_l> ttyl
[14:27] <acheronuk> clem_l: ooh. I missed that. great :)
[14:40] <acheronuk> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71236-Call-for-testing-Plasma-5-8-4-and-applications-16-04-3-for-Xenial-Xerus
[14:54] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: fine with me
 http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-linux-mint-doing-plasma-5-8-testing/
 Done
[15:17]  * soee_ reposted on G+
[15:48] <mparillo> clem_l: I hope I am not too late, but what a gracious post. To an American, "a massive amount of efforts" sounds off. Is that idiomatic to the Commonwealth? Since it has been a while since I ran Linux Mint (always the KDE Flavour), I cannot remember if I needed to accept keyrings in Software Sources
[16:21] <ghostcube> so i tried landing ppa, audio cd error still not fixed
[16:21] <ghostcube> dolphin audio cd reading is fixed in 16.12
[16:22] <ghostcube> any possiubility you get the audio cd function fixed?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> ghostcube: is there a bug report?
[16:22] <ghostcube> sure
 ghostcube: We can't backport Apps 16.12.0 until we get QtWebEngine
 So no bug report needed, it's kbown
 *known
 We just need to find out which components do not need it.
 But either way, we're waiting on the Qt release team.
 They need to press buttons.
 Then we get it in Ubuntu. :)
[16:25] <ghostcube> ok i even dont get the fact that a computer cant read a audio cd...
[16:26] <ghostcube> but ok, in kde they told me 16.10 has got 16.12 in release? is this correct
[16:26] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu 16.10 with the backports-landing you will have 16.04.3
[16:26] <ghostcube> this is what i get in 16.04 now too
[16:26] <ghostcube> so it wont work there too
[16:27] <ghostcube> thats the same prob like you dont have a job you dont get a flat, you dont have a flat you dont get a job
[16:27] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: clem_l : http://betanews.com/2016/12/11/linux-mint-resources-kde-plasma-kubuntu/
[16:27] <ahoneybun> of course
[16:28] <ahoneybun> wow what a bad spin on it
[16:31] <ahoneybun> "I can see your POV on this but the way I see it is that our distros are working together (Linux Mint and Kubuntu) are finally working together more closely as they should to benefit the users. After all other then having fun working on the distro that's that other reason we do it."
[16:31] <ahoneybun> that's what I wrote
[16:34] <mparillo> In the Italian-American neighbourhood I was raised, Fagioli (pronounced fa-zool, literally bean(s)) was an all-purpose derogatory way of saying anything from unserious to crazy.
[16:36] <mparillo> Your response was more substantive as well as more polite.
[16:46] <clem_l> hi
[16:46] <clem_l> keyring are added automatically when adding PPAs
[16:49] <clem_l> betanews.com, ah well, as a blogger it pays more to do controversy and be outspoken and opinionated
[16:50] <clem_l> as a distro we're supposed to be 'better' and let our communities spit on the competition, I guess we're a bit out of line with that post
 That article is disgusting
 Developer resources are spread too thin, who does he think he is dictating where volunteers and contributor's direct their attention!
 I think that is a balanced article actually. I can see that Clement makes a valid point, and perhaps this raises the bar for us in Kubuntu, to improve our distro, adding small useability tweaks, and improvements that would help us grow.
 The fracturing of communities, and it's diversity is what makes open source what it is.
 It was also the downfall of Unix, and what allowed rubbish such as Windows to grab the market.
 I'll add that article and link to the Kubuntu Podacast, it is a good discussion point
 Click baiting *beep* *beep* *beep*
 Even the title is pure lies, we reached out to Mint!
[17:37] <clem_l> that's ok, you can't expect them to actually ask questions before posting opinions
[17:37] <clem_l> they're not journalists :)
[17:38] <clem_l> I wish they all wrote on the same blog though, I'm really annoyed with bloggers fragmentation, it's cause of that that reddit got so popular
 Well the headline suggest that Linux Mint, has reached out to Kubuntu.
[17:40] <clem_l> I'll have a talk with my wife tonight too, I think we've too many friends and too many kids, we should have made less and focus on them more
[17:40] <clem_l> definitely raises a lot of valid points
[17:41] <clem_l> neighbors should have helped too, I don't understand why they made their own.. parental fragmentation
[17:41] <clem_l> right, that's enough sarcasm probably
[17:56] <ahoneybun> I happen to agree mostly with clivejo
[17:57] <ahoneybun> when we don't work together people complain, and now they do when we do
[18:34] <clivejo> acheronuk: you about?
[18:35] <clivejo> hi DalekSec
[18:35] <clivejo> grrrr
[18:35] <clivejo> hi DarinMiller
[18:35] <clivejo> DalekSec: so sorry for pinging you :(
[18:41] <DarinMiller> hi clivejo
[18:43] <clivejo> does anyone know how to do a release of a standalone package using the KA tools?
[18:43] <DarinMiller> not a clue here...
[18:44] <clivejo> me neither, its all changed
[19:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_umbrello build #152: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/xenial_unstable_umbrello/152/
[19:26] <_Wens_> hi! why kde application 16.08 not include kubuntu 16.10?
[19:28] <clivejo> beacuse Kubuntu has to follow Ubuntu release cycle
[19:28] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule
[19:29] <clivejo> after certain dates we cant add anything new
[19:31] <_Wens_> ok, thanks
[19:33] <clivejo> and unfortunately Ubuntu freezes and KDE releases don't tend to work out :(
[19:34] <clivejo> _Wens_: is there something you are looking for?
 no. I see release on kde.org and have quetion.
[19:49] <clivejo> well it missed Yakkety 16.10, and we will probably skip it in Zesty 17.04
[19:51] <clivejo> KDE Apps 16.12 are due out very soon
[19:51] <DalekSec> Hah.
[19:53] <clivejo> DalekSec: sorry
[19:53] <DalekSec> Yep, you said that.  It's not a problem.
[19:54] <clivejo> for some reason when I try to autocomplete for Darin, it changes it to your username!
[19:55] <clivejo> are you unit?
[21:17] <soee_> Kernel 4.9 released :-)
[21:30] <clivejo> for zesty?
[21:45] <mamarley> clivejo: 4.9-rcsomething is in zesty-proposed, but it will probably be a few days before the stable release gets there.
[21:45] <mamarley> In the meantime, there is always http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/, but it appears the compilation hasn't finished for 4.9 yet.
[21:50] <clivejo> mamarley: have you a zesty box?
[21:50] <mamarley> clivejo: 5 of them :)
[21:51]  * clivejo cries
[21:51] <mamarley> How come?
[21:51] <clivejo> you have 5 and mine is so slow!
[21:52] <mamarley> Oh, sorry. :(
[21:52] <clivejo> do you have landing on any of them?
[21:53] <mamarley> All of them :)
[21:53] <clivejo> I uploaded kdeconnect to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-misc/+packages?field.name_filter=kdeconnect&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[21:53]  * mamarley doesn't use that, sorry. :(
[21:55] <valorie> what sort of computer do you want Father Christmas to bring ya, clivejo?
[21:55] <clivejo> faster one
[21:56] <valorie> that old XP laptop I put Kubuntu onto for a friend of mine is still working for her
[21:57] <valorie> can't believe anybody would use a computer that slow.....but she paid $10 used, and I guess thinks she got good value!
[22:07]  * DarinMiller making zesty partition with landing to test  kdeconnect... installing now... (other zesting partition has kubuntu-unstable)...
[22:19]  * DarinMiller zesting does not like hybrid graphics laptops.
[22:20] <DarinMiller> zesty^
[22:20] <valorie> I think this one is hybrid but I only use .... whatever it came with, dunno
[22:21] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-GT60-2PC': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.8.4 on Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) powered by Linux 4.8.0-30-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 1899/3800 MHz, RAM: 23824/24029 MB, Storage: 320/967 GB, 346 procs, 92.31h up
[22:21] <valorie> duh, that doesn't say
[22:24] <DarinMiller> skylake hybrid with intel and nvidia.  It's a real bear to boot until proprieatry NVdia driver is installed.  Have to unplug mouse and edit boot line with nomodeset.
[22:26] <valorie> this has a sticker on it that says nvidia GeForce GTX but I did have my son install kubuntu in the first place because of the driver issue
[22:27] <valorie> scarlett was there too, and had advice for him
[22:35] <clivejo> I bought this one in 2009
[22:36] <clivejo> getting a bit old and tired
[22:36] <valorie> WOW
[22:36] <valorie> you must be the most gentle owner ever
[22:36] <clivejo> and its a bit big
[22:36]  * valorie looks at the stack of broken laptops.....
[22:36] <clivejo> well Ive replaced the keyboard a coupld of times
[22:37] <clivejo> and I bought a new battery to take it to QtCon
[22:37] <clivejo> but the stupid thing wouldnt fit in my bag!
[22:37] <valorie> some have lasted me 5 or 6 years, but eventually were too slow to use even for travel
[22:37] <valorie> oh yeah that's why you were computerless
[22:38]  * clivejo cries
[22:38]  * clivejo and nods
[22:38] <valorie> I'm grateful for the little one -- trying to carry the biggie was a killer even just in Seattle
[22:38] <clivejo> you have a huge rucksack!
[22:39] <valorie> I won't try bringing that again
[22:39] <clivejo> why?
[22:39] <valorie> yup, bought that with a laptop in mind
[22:39] <valorie> because the little one is good enough
[22:39] <clivejo> its great for carrying bottles
[22:39] <valorie> and I bought a DVD burner for like $20
[22:39] <valorie> lol
[22:39] <valorie> it was *excellent* for bottles, you madman
[22:40] <clivejo> :)
[22:40] <valorie> especially when I had a beast of burden to carry it!
[22:40] <clivejo> oi!
[22:40] <valorie> In seattle, everybody had to carry their own stuff
[22:41] <clivejo> you could employ me to carry it for you :P
[22:41] <valorie> "great bear of a man"..... what was his name again?
[22:41] <valorie> lol
[22:41]  * valorie pays in Jameson's
[22:42] <clivejo> DarinMiller: did you test KDE Connect?
[22:45] <DarinMiller> clivejo: shortly, just now successfully booting the beast...
[22:46] <valorie> clivejo: I'm not sure the flight from NI to Seattle and back would have been worth it for a weekend
[22:47] <valorie> not sure ahoneybun thought it was worth the trip just from Florida!
[22:47] <clivejo> probably not!
[22:47] <valorie> it would have to be part of a bigger trip
[22:48] <valorie> the Puget Sound area is amazing, and worth the trip for sure
[22:48] <valorie> especially since you have a friend with a guestroom
[22:48] <valorie> and a cabin in the mountains!
[22:48] <valorie> same with anybody in the team -- come visit Seattle and me!
[22:50] <clivejo> error: ‘class Device’ has no member named ‘logicalSectorSize’; did you mean ‘logicalSize’?
[22:51] <clivejo> clem_l: do you guys use calamares?
[22:53] <DarinMiller> I second Valorie's invitation, anyone is welcome to come visit me in Idaho too....
[22:58] <valorie> where in Idaho, DarinMiller?
[22:58] <valorie> I've driven through, but only spent time in Boise
[22:58] <valorie> which is beautiful
[22:59] <clem_l> hi clivejo, no we use ubiquity
[22:59] <DarinMiller> Meridian, Idaho
[23:00] <valorie> and oh, did you go to the FOSS thing they had in Spokane last ... May or so?
[23:00] <valorie> I couldn't go because I wanted to attend Colin's graduation in Connecticut
[23:01] <valorie> I wrote to the ubuntu-pnw list about it though
[23:02] <darin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23616215/
[23:02] <DarinMiller> clivejo: kdeconnect times out when attempting to pair.  also looks like kmenuedit is missing... sending pb shortly...
[23:02] <DarinMiller> pb ^^
[23:03] <valorie> I see Meridian on the map -- I suppose on the meridian line, cool
[23:04] <clivejo> what is line 22?
[23:05] <DarinMiller> I have no idea....
[23:05] <DarinMiller> fresh install, full format....
[23:06] <valorie> this is old, but it hasn't changed much: http://web.fe.up.pt/~jmcruz/etc/kde/kdeqt/kde3arch/ksycoca.html
[23:06] <valorie> I just wonder why it reuses the old cache
[23:08] <DarinMiller> I tell ya, this laptop is weird. Have to add nomodeset during boot just see the desktop, boot with mouse unplugged, then no panel is present so I have to add my own... None of my other boxes do this.
[23:09] <valorie> you can run kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental to refresh the configs
[23:13] <DarinMiller> Once I install nvidia and reboot, it behaves as expected, but until then, it's a monster.  I have seen "newbies" post trying to get this same box running linux and this is the only laptop I discourage a new person from trying.
[23:13] <clivejo> DarinMiller: seems to install no problem on my system :/
[23:15] <DarinMiller> Sometime updates will send this laptop off the deep end and I have to re-install NVidia drivers from the command line. I don't mind the challenge but it not for new users.
[23:15] <DarinMiller> btw, kdeconnect prompted on the laptop for pairing but failed to complete.  Once Nvida drivers finish insatlling, I reboot and try again.
[23:19] <DarinMiller> Usually issues described above go away after a few kernel releases but though the install difficulty is not as bad as a year ago, it needs lots of help.
 @clem_l, They are the "journalists" in the US. They ask the wrong questions to the wrong people, even if they ask the right people, they make them trick questions so that however they answer it makes them sound bad. They bikeshed the hell out of every bad thing the person says and ignores the good stuff. And whatever happens, they are always biased against someone, covering something up.  … Yeah, the recent US election reall

[23:20] <DarinMiller> clivejo: Now that I think about it, I restarted plasma from the terminal and proceed to use the same terminal for updates. So I suspect line 22 is plasma responding to the install sequence as all plasma notifications are currently popping up in that terminal.
 kernel 4.9 available now in Ubuntu mainline http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9/
[23:23] <clivejo> ok, so those arent actually anything to do with the apt install of kdeconnect
[23:23] <DarinMiller> nvidia drivers installed laptop is booting as it should with mouse plugged in and default panel auto appears.
[23:24] <DarinMiller> clivejo: correct. and after reboot, kdeconnect is working fine.... I had run all updates, added the ppa, updated again without rebooting.
[23:24] <clivejo> it pairs and works with a phone?
[23:24] <DarinMiller> clivejo: yes
[23:24] <clivejo> ah same here
[23:26] <DarinMiller> clivejo: sent file successfully, remote input works as well as message alerts.  (have not tried responding to a text yet).
[23:27] <clivejo> the reply functions requires you to use the default messaging app
[23:28] <DarinMiller> clivejo: yes, I appreciate that tip as it was driving me crazy.  I wish the google texting app worked as it runs better on my phone, but I would rather have the kdeconnect functionality.
[23:30] <clivejo> a lot of people use other messaging apps
[23:31] <clivejo> and I was using one until I realised and changed back
[23:31] <DarinMiller> Wow, default text is sure tiny on HDPI displays with ZZ.   I kept seeing references to HDPI fixed from the plasma team all summer long regarding better defaults, but I have to put on my glasses to fix the scaling in system settings.
[23:31] <clivejo> replying from desktop is much more useful than using a fancy messaging app
[23:32] <clivejo> has anyone tried a wayland session?
[23:32] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I totally agree.
[23:33] <clivejo> Im just hoping kdeconnect will intregate with Nougat and allow to reply to other nofications like Telegram/WhatsApp etc
[23:33] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I tried wayland last week (on my intel only work laptop)  and I could barely tell the difference wrt X.
[23:33] <valorie> what's nougat (besides a kind of candy)
[23:33] <clivejo> Android
[23:34] <valorie> ah
[23:34] <clivejo> 7.1 codename
[23:34] <valorie> newer than what I have I'm sure
[23:34] <clivejo> they name it after sweets
[23:34] <clivejo> Kitkat, Lolipop, Marshmallow and Nougat
[23:34] <valorie> I know *that*
[23:35] <valorie> I have 5.0.2
[23:35]  * DarinMiller Kubuntu Driver manager successfully install intel micro code on the hybrid box using the popup menu.  (Failed on another box a few days ago).
[23:35] <clivejo> I do like Nougat
[23:35] <clivejo> DarinMiller: do you have Muon installed?
 Hi
[23:36] <clivejo> Hi Simey Wimey
 Hi Clivey Mimey
 :P
[23:37] <DarinMiller> clivejo: not yet, I can test  16.04 or newer ... test all 3 (xx,yy, & zz)?
[23:38] <DarinMiller> hey tsimonq2 o/
[23:39] <clivejo> running Muon and performing an update seems to update the indexes to allow Driver Manager to work
[23:39] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdeconnect-kde build #126: UNSTABLE in 10 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/xenial_unstable_kdeconnect-kde/126/
[23:41] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I will give that a shot.  After the intel micro code installed, the Driver Manager thinks I have the nouveu? driver installed and keeps parking the notification icon in the sys tray.
[23:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdeconnect-kde build #39: UNSTABLE in 14 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_kdeconnect-kde/39/
[23:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdeconnect-kde build #110: UNSTABLE in 15 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/yakkety_unstable_kdeconnect-kde/110/
[23:44] <clivejo> DarinMiller: try a "sudo update-apt-xapian-index"
[23:50] <DarinMiller> clivejo: that appears to have fixed the confused Driver Manager.
[23:51] <clivejo> yeah, it needs fixed, but I dont know enough about it to fix it :(
[23:59] <valorie> clivejo: that seems to have fixed it for me too
[23:59] <clivejo> its known to fix it


 you bought it?
 Yes, using it right now
 !
 I think I've reached the top level of keyboard snobbery, I don't think I can go any farther- wait, I can 3D print one
 is it mechanical?
 Yes, cherry mx brown
 Someone at work as a keyboard that is Dvorak and he replaced the keys with blank keys.


[08:59] <JackFrost> xscreensaver 6.08+dfsg1-1 uploaded by Tormod Volden<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Debian: #1049076)
[22:20] <bluesabre> Anybody want to help out with testing Xubuntu 24.04.4? Due to be released tomorrow. https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/451/builds/295833/testcases
[22:41] <krytarik> Just to not raise false hopes, that'd be 22.04.4 i.e. a Jammy point release. XD