[00:26] <sreich> i'm having trouble importing a git branch on launchpad. I gave it a git url of 'git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace.git,branch=origin/plasma/sreich/sal-qml. ', but it's only importing master it seems
[00:26] <sreich> is that the right special syntax to tell it to import the code from that branch?
[00:45] <maxb> sreich: I'm pretty sure having origin in there is wrong
[00:45] <sreich> well i tried it without origin and the same thing happened
[00:45] <sreich> e.g. with just branch=plasma/sreich...
[00:45] <maxb> Has support for ,branch= made it to Launchpad at all yet?
[00:46] <sreich> no idea
[00:47] <sreich> basically all i need is to import a branch from a git repo, which i'm unable to figure out how to do successfully
[00:48] <maxb> I know a month ago or so, the answer was "That's not supported"
[00:48] <maxb> Unless support has been added in the last month, that's still the case
[00:48] <sreich> ouch
[00:49] <wgrant> maxb, sreich: ,branch= has worked on Launchpad for several months.
[00:49] <maxb> *blink*
[00:50] <maxb> I thought it wasn't that long ago that jelmer finished writing it
[00:50] <wgrant> Well, maybe only a few months, then :)
[00:50] <wgrant> But we upgraded pretty soon after it was finished.
[00:51] <wgrant> maxb: Mid-September.
[01:12] <wgrant> sreich: Fixed
[01:12] <wgrant> sreich: Had to escape the slashes in the branch name.
[01:12] <wgrant> sreich: It's up to date now.
[01:13] <sreich> oooh
[01:13] <sreich> thanks
[01:18] <wgrant> (for future people reading IRC logs: git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace.git,branch=plasma%2Fsreich%2Fsal-qml was the correct format)
[01:59] <Pikkachu> hi, can anyone delete some useless packages form my ppa to me? all packages are basically the same code with technical mistakes
[08:17] <vibhavp> Whu has my karma suddenly expired??
[09:37] <Dahakka> Hi :)
[09:37] <Dahakka> Just hanging around :)
[20:52] <ianm_> is it possible to undelete a PPA?
[23:29] <juliohm> Someone could reproduce the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/965341
[23:29] <juliohm> How are launchpad bugs triggered? There are days since i reported the bug and stills undecided state.
[23:40] <EvilResistance> juliohm:  define "triggered"
[23:41] <EvilResistance> ah nevermind, you got it with the ubuntu bugs team
[23:42] <juliohm> EvilResistance, maybe i'm choosing the wrong word to describe what i have in mind. English isn't my native language.
[23:42] <EvilResistance> juliohm:  i think you are.  you have to keep this in mind though:
[23:43] <EvilResistance> there's HUNDREDS of packages in Ubuntu
[23:43] <EvilResistance> filing a bug against a specific package won't always guarantee you a result
[23:43] <EvilResistance> because not everyone is notified of every bug
[23:43] <EvilResistance> as well, we're all volunteers, so... you should only worry if its been a LONG TIME since you filed the bug and have not gotten a result/response
[23:43] <juliohm> EvilResistance, i know, but even the state was unchanged since the report.
[23:44] <juliohm> I know, i'm part of the community, i'm also a volunteer
[23:44] <EvilResistance> there's thousands of bugs that exist that have unchanged states since reports were filed
[23:47] <wgrant> EvilResistance: Hundred of packages? There's more than 20000 :)
[23:50] <juliohm> Do you have some nice blog post about how to contribute with Ubuntu though Launchpad? I think most Ubuntu users don't do it just because they don't know how to do it. I'm thinking in write a tutorial in my native language.
[23:52] <juliohm> I'm looking for some kind of tutorial that explains the daily activities of a Ubuntu-bug-reporter, explaining the Launchpad features
[23:52] <juliohm> Launchpad is not as easy in my opinion.
[23:53] <EvilResistance> wgrant:  :P
[23:53] <juliohm> s/easy/intuitive


[05:13] <duflu> Ping Trevinho?
[05:17] <Trevinho> duflu: in bed now... 😅
[05:17] <duflu> Umm kay
[05:17] <duflu> Should I recommend you go to sleep?
[05:18] <duflu> Trevinho, if you're online could you please attach proper labels to these?  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests?scope=all&state=opened&search=%22%5Bperformance%5D%22 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests?scope=all&state=opened&search=%22%5Bperformance%5D%22
[05:39] <duflu> Trevinho, go to sleep :)
[05:39] <duflu> else, please also look at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests?scope=all&state=opened&search=%22%5Bperformance%5D%22
[05:59] <duflu> RAOF: What are the build deps for EGLStreams? mutter seems to think it's not present and not configurable and I can't tell why
[06:01] <RAOF> The relevant symbols are in `libnvidia-egl-wayland`
[06:02] <RAOF> (or maybe `-wayland-egl`, I forget which order)
[06:02] <RAOF> If mutter wants to resolve them at link time.
[06:04] <duflu> I think it's just the pkgconfig missing
[06:04] <duflu> Seems to be on github. In archive somewhere?
[06:04] <RAOF> You might just need to manually manufacture a `.so` symlink? There's no development symlink in the packages, AFAIK)
[06:06] <duflu> I ask because I was pleasantly surprised to find turning on Nvidia KMS support just works. But then you're actually using LLVM and not the Nvidia driver for GL
[06:08] <duflu> Maybe doesn't matter. My main goal was to offer users workaround instructions and rebuilding things makes that less then feasible
[06:08] <duflu> also less than feasible
[06:08] <RAOF> Right
[06:08] <duflu> stupid dyslexic keyboard
[06:08] <RAOF> I should actually file that bug.
[06:09] <RAOF> Selecting Wayland on llvmpipe over X on NVIDIA is not the best decision 😀
[06:09] <duflu> Unless you're trying to get around a bug in their X driver
[06:10] <RAOF> Then you should use X and fbdev
[06:10] <duflu> The Nvidia X driver is so bad that actually LLVMpipe on Nvidia KMS feels much more responsive
[06:11] <RAOF> That's not true
[06:11] <duflu> I'm using it right now and it's solved my immediate performance concerns I had with Nvidia proper on X
[06:11] <RAOF> At least in my systems
[06:11] <duflu> Interactive performance, not GL benchmarks
[06:12] <RAOF> Maybe your NVIDIA install is busted?
[06:12] <duflu> No. I was reproducing an Nvidia X bug that other people had described. I didn't just find it myself
[06:13] <RAOF> Huh. Which bug?
[06:16] <duflu> RAOF: The discussions started upstream so I just logged the LP bug 1799679
[06:17] <RAOF> Huh, interesting
[06:18] <RAOF> I guess that's why I find NVIDIA+X significantly better at interactive performance than llvmpipe+Wayland
[06:19] <RAOF> I don't routinely drag glxgears around 😛
[06:22] <duflu> Also frustrating that LLVMpipe on top of Nvidia KMS performs better than i965 on top of Intel KMS
[06:23] <RAOF> That implies that llvmpipe performs better than i965 on Intel.
[06:23] <RAOF> Which seems like a bold call.
[06:24] <duflu> Smoother, but uses all the CPU
[06:24] <duflu> Maybe that's why - it's now thottled up.
[06:25] <RAOF> Do you just need to tweak the CPU governer? 🤔
[06:26] <didrocks> good morning
[06:26] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[06:32] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:52] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:02] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[07:02] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:03] <oSoMoN> spam on the Ubuntu Community Hub, and there doesn't appear to be an option to flag a thread as spam
[07:05] <oSoMoN> popey, is there a way to flag a thread on the community hub as spam?
[07:14] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[07:15] <duflu> I really never expected to have to build my own Xorg again when working on gnome-shell
[07:15] <didrocks> maybe "privately flag this post…"
[07:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:21] <oSoMoN> aha
[07:21] <oSoMoN> that's it indeed
[07:21] <Nafallo> o/
[07:22] <oSoMoN> popey, unping
[07:22] <oSoMoN> hey Nafallo
[07:23] <didrocks> hey Nafallo
[07:26] <Nafallo> it is very much morning I think...
[07:46] <seb128> hey there, good morning desktopers
[07:47] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:48] <seb128> oSoMoN, didrocks, can anyone flag anything as spam? last time I asked willcooke to delete the post/spam
[07:49] <didrocks> I guess that's the flag thing which warns admin
[07:50] <seb128> Trevinho commented on trello 3 hours ago, so he was up very earlier so went to bed very late
[07:51] <didrocks> as usual? :p
[07:52] <oSoMoN> does Trevin_ho ever sleep?
[07:52] <oSoMoN> seb128, yes, I was able to flag the thread as spam, not sure who will be notified and act on it though, guessing po_pey and other admins
[07:53] <seb128> k, so that just flag, doesn't automatically lead to have it deleted or anything
[07:53] <seb128> that makes sense
[07:55] <duflu> Morning seb128. Marco just went to bed recently
[07:55] <duflu> Umm, not here, but in IRC :)
[07:57] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:02] <Laney> 👾
[08:03] <seb128> hoi Laney
[08:04] <Laney> 👋 seb128
[08:04] <Laney> what up
[08:04] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> we finally have automn which settled down, cold & grey with leaves on the street
[08:06] <Laney> 🍂
[08:07] <Laney> ✋ duflu  didrocks
[08:07] <duflu> ☯
[08:08] <Laney> is cold here too, but blue
[08:09] <Laney> tomorrow it's going to be below 10 all day
[08:36] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[08:36] <ricotz> Laney, hi, did you report the glib package issue in bionic-proposed somehow?
[08:37] <Laney> I didn't find one, did you?
[08:37] <ricotz> I assume this is simply launchpads fault
[08:37] <ricotz> it works locally
[08:38] <Laney> no idea, I haven't really looked I'm afraid
[08:38] <Laney> if we see it causing a problem in the real archive someone will have to then I guess
[08:38] <ricotz> the package was build in -proposed and not binary-copied from somewhere?
[08:39] <Laney> that is right
[08:45] <Laney> ricotz: btw we do have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3-stdlib-extensions/+bug/1799764 in bionic-proposed at the minunte
[08:45] <Laney> minute
[08:45] <Laney> so if we end up pulling python3 (some of the glib scripts are python3) it might be affected by that
[08:45] <Laney> would expect that to be reproducible in a chroot
[08:48] <ricotz> ok, let's see how this goes
[12:09] <Trevinho> morning
[12:10] <didrocks> afernoon Trevinho
[12:10] <oSoMoN> good morning Trevinho
[12:11] <Trevinho> hi didrocks and oSoMoN
[12:18] <seb128> good morning Marco
[12:18] <Trevinho> hi seb
[12:18] <seb128> good work figuring out a fix for the double tap issue :)
[12:20] <Trevinho> seb128: I got my 2nd laptop happly working without adding a new distro (it's my "couch" one, still running in xenial :-D)... I just used a cosmic schroot + my gnome tree and everything worked (or don't worked) as properly :)
[12:23] <seb128> nice one :)
[13:14] <didrocks> hum, Trevinho may have broken Yaru :p
[13:14] <didrocks> I bet commit 5b3ff7184eab6c128528a7cdc7b42b2636a6d022
[13:14] <didrocks> (in the Shell)
[13:21] <didrocks> and I deadlock the Shell as seb128 did yesterday (with alt+F2)
[13:23] <didrocks> (and crashed)
[13:23] <seb128> combo!
[13:23] <didrocks> well, Xorg crashed
[13:24] <didrocks> when switching tty
[13:24] <seb128> what's the yaru issue?
[13:24] <seb128> it must be subtle, we didn't notice/saw reports before getting 18.10 out and that commit was a while ago
[13:24] <didrocks> the dock css now overrides the theme one
[13:25] <didrocks> yeah, it's subtle, but some overridden properties aren't overridden anymore
[13:25] <didrocks> I didn't notice it, the most "obvious" one is that the badge border is green
[13:25] <didrocks> when the badge itself is red
[13:25] <seb128> ah
[13:25] <didrocks> yeah, subtle :)
[13:25] <didrocks> but something to fix in d, at least, can be workarounded in cosmic
[13:26] <didrocks> but it's a change of behavior on the Shell side
[13:26] <didrocks> ok, readlock the Shell
[13:27] <didrocks> humg
[13:28] <didrocks> changed tty, Xorg recrashed… grrrrr
[13:28] <didrocks> sounds like you can't edit a stylesheet and reload anymore
[13:28] <didrocks> Trevinho: confirming? ^ this is where you did some changes on the Shell (to unreference stylesheets on reload)
[13:29] <andyrock> seb128: seb128 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/273 this should fix the keyring problem
[13:29] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 273 in gnome-shell "popupMenu: Promptly close the menu if grab fails" [Opened]
[13:29] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[13:29] <seb128> andyrock, thx :)
[13:29] <didrocks> Trevinho: put something invalid in it -> alt+f2 -> rt -> deadlock
[13:30] <Trevinho> mh...
[13:30] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah we know it andyrock and I were looking at it
[13:30] <didrocks> which is exactly where you modified the code :p
[13:30] <Trevinho> didrocks: we've 2 mp for that
[13:30] <didrocks> so unsure if it's the same than seb128
[13:30] <didrocks> ah, same ?
[13:30] <andyrock> didrocks: context?
[13:30] <andyrock> ah rt in alt+f2
[13:30] <andyrock> ?
[13:30] <seb128> didrocks, you lock it by creating an invalid stylesheet and doing rt?
[13:30] <Trevinho> yep
[13:31] <didrocks> seb128: right
[13:31] <didrocks> used to "work" as just disabling the invalid stylesheet
[13:31] <seb128> but it's only if the stylesheet is invalid?
[13:31] <seb128> k
[13:31] <didrocks> (yes "red" is invalid in Shell css…)
[13:31] <seb128> a bug but shouldn't impact many users hopefully
[13:31] <didrocks> seb128: oh not at all, but a regression in 3.30
[13:31] <seb128> right
[13:32] <didrocks> and I blame Trevinho on that part of the code modified in August :p
[13:32] <didrocks> (and probably this is what occured the css application order difference)
[13:32] <andyrock> Trevinho: it's actually a different issue
[13:32] <andyrock> I'm working on the --replace stuff
[13:33] <Trevinho> wait let me focus better, I'm in other lands of code now
[13:34] <didrocks> and if you replace the stylesheet content with valid css; alt+f2 -> rt -> changes aren't loaded :/
[13:34] <seb128> that doesn't seem urgent, worth a bug to put in the backlog but not needing to hihack other started work
[13:35] <seb128> :(
[13:35] <didrocks> seb128: right, just that we had someone on the team making that specific changes, sounds logical to just make him aware :)
[13:35] <seb128> andyrock, btw are you still working on that snapd-glib/g-s invalid read bug? Robert commented bailing out basically saying he has no idea about the issue
[13:35] <didrocks> but annoying, wondering how that was tested, and will surely slowing me down to fix the "Yaru issue"
[13:35] <seb128> didrocks, indeed
[13:35] <didrocks> as I will have to restart the session for each changes
[13:36] <seb128> "r" doesn't work either?
[13:36] <seb128> I mean reloading the shell
[13:36] <seb128> it's a bigger hammer but less big than a session reload
[13:36] <didrocks> ah, good point, let me try
[13:37] <andyrock> seb128: I was working on the gnome-shell --replace bug
[13:37] <didrocks> yeah, big hammer work. I work on this at least, thanks seb128 :)
[13:37] <seb128> yw!
[13:37] <didrocks> still worth debugging (or even revert) changes that impacted that upstream
[13:37] <andyrock> seb128: I didn't see any reports on errors.ubuntu.com so maybe the snapd-glib can wait
[13:37] <andyrock> ?
[13:37] <seb128> andyrock, k, that's fine, I was just wondering if you still had the snapd-glib thing on your list or were letting it to Robert
[13:38] <seb128> andyrock, it can for sure
[13:38] <seb128> I just don't want the bug to be un-owned
[13:38] <andyrock> sure I'll take care of it
[13:38] <seb128> also it's an invalid read, so you didn't see any obvious report but it might be leading to other segfaults that get reported
[13:38] <seb128> thx
[13:38] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, saw the xkeyboard-config upload in the queues. Is it important enough to justify those SRUs? Asking because people often customize their keyboards by editing files in /usr/share/X11/xkb.
[13:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, it's an oem request so I would think yes
[13:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, doing /usr direct edit is not a good idea...
[13:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Not a good idea in general, but xkb-data does unfortunately not offer a sensible method for user customization, so we generally avoid SRUs of it. But ok, the OEM request may carry greater weight.
[13:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, it's the first time I see that issue/rule mentioned, is that documented somewhere than usually we avoid SRUs?
[13:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, also those users could/should build a patched version and pin the package if that's what they want
[13:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, not that those customisation go away on upgrade between Ubuntu version in any case since usually we do update that package when new versions are out, and the users who do tweak it know how to redo it
[13:57] <Trevinho> ok sorry I had to focus for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/272#note_353465
[13:57] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 272 in gnome-shell "st-button: Ignore pointer emulated touch events" [Opened]
[13:59] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah, I see... Well, honestly theme making is still something less priority than instead having shell crashing and we don't know why, that's why I added that... like I wouldn't have find  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1789421 in a second without that change (as the stacktrace was basically say nothing instead)
[14:00] <Trevinho> but indeed we should fix it by making sure we behave correctly and don't give false positives
[14:00] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, at least that it doesn't deadlock the Shell in 3.32
[14:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: Not a documented 'rule', just the way I have tried to handle it. (I've been involved in the latest updates of that package.) But yes, the package is usually updated anyway when people upgrade Ubuntu version, so yes, they should know how to handle it.
[14:15] <willcooke_> morning all
[14:16] <willcooke_> jibel, did you see this on the hub?  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/problems-to-add-chinese-layout-to-ubuntu-18-04/8529
[14:16] <willcooke_> if you get a chance, could you see if you can recreate?
[14:19] <jibel> willcooke_, I saw it but didn't try to reproduce. I will
[14:19] <seb128> hey willcooke_
[14:20] <seb128> willcooke_, fcitx is not supported by GNOME or working under wayland (which is only part of the problems he describes)
[14:21] <seb128> i would start by asking for a proper report, info about the desktop environment he's using and system logs
[14:22] <willcooke_> seb128, jibel I'll reply and ask for a proper bug report
[14:23] <jibel> seb128, it shoudn't break the session though?
[14:23] <jibel> willcooke_, nvm, I'll handle it if you have better things to do
[14:23] <seb128> jibel, right, and I doubt it does
[14:24] <seb128> that bug seems like a low quality report of "something is wrong on my system"
[14:24] <jibel> yup
[14:24] <seb128> I doubt that you are going to end up in that state by adding those layout
[14:24] <seb128> but it's worth trying
[14:25] <seb128> hum
[14:26] <willcooke_> oki, thanks jibel
[14:26] <seb128> does anyone know what the "Notifications" switch in the right pane of gitlab does on a MR view, is that to subscribe the MR?
[14:26] <Laney> think so
[14:26] <seb128> thx Laney
[14:27] <seb128> there is no mouseover tooltip or anything, I was unsure if I was changing a setting on the MR itself or for me
[14:27] <seb128> like that column also has things like labels and assignee so it looked like MR related settings, not personal ones
[14:27] <seb128> it's a bit confusing
[14:27] <willcooke_> oSoMoN, Can you help me understand something.  I'm looking at ARM64 packages (a story for another day) and I looked at rmadison: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rtNZRybdMw/
[14:27] <willcooke_> oSoMoN, I see version 6.0.6 in bionic-updates/universe
[14:28] <willcooke_> oSoMoN, is that the "fresh" packages or something like that?
[14:28] <willcooke_> ie. whats in universe?
[14:28] <willcooke_> I dont think I understand how to read that output
[14:28] <Laney> that is libreoffice the metapackage
[14:28] <Laney> if you pass rmadison -S then you see all the binary packages from that source
[14:28] <willcooke_> ah ace, thanks Laney
[14:28] <oSoMoN> yeah, libreoffice is in universe
[14:28] <oSoMoN> libreoffice-{writer,calc,draw,…} are in main
[14:29] <willcooke_> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:29] <willcooke_> nice one
[14:29] <willcooke_> thanks
[14:29] <Laney> and -aarm64 etc
[14:29] <Laney> various flags available
[14:31] <Laney> just noticed that my laptop didn't have any swap
[14:31] <Laney> that probably explains why it becomes so dire from time to time
[14:31] <Laney> weird thing is the installer made one but it wasn't formatted properly
[14:31] <willcooke_> hrm.  The icon for characters (snap) on Bionic is missing
[14:31] <Laney> is my drive dying /o\
[14:32] <willcooke_> Laney, :((
[14:32] <seb128> willcooke_, good that you have Ken next to you, poke until he fixes it :)
[14:33] <willcooke_> seb128, hahaha!  That's what he said you'd say
[14:33] <seb128> :p
[14:33]  * willcooke_ logs a bug
[14:33] <Laney> does have one here
[14:33] <kenvandine> seb128: we can't win... if i force the app icon we don't get the themed icon
[14:33] <seb128> willcooke_, kenvandine, also stable channel has 3.29.91 ...
[14:34] <seb128> why no 3.30?
[14:34] <Laney> hahaha
[14:34] <Laney> poor ken
[14:34] <kenvandine> but the themed icon name doesn't exist in the theme provided in bionic
[14:35] <kenvandine> 3.30 hadn't been tagged when i updated them all
[14:35] <kenvandine> it was behind iirc
[14:35] <seb128> well, now it's there and we updated the deb before cosmic was out :)
[14:35] <seb128> the icon situation thing sucks
[14:35] <kenvandine> yeah, 3.30 was just tagged 2 weeks ago
[14:35] <seb128> blame the yaru people for complaining about not having their themed icon
[14:35] <seb128> :/
[14:36] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:36] <kenvandine> but it does look much better on cosmic that way
[14:36] <seb128> I think having an icon on the LTS is more important than having a themed one is cosmic
[14:36] <kenvandine> but i think our best bet for the short term is to use the app icon
[14:36] <kenvandine> yes
[14:36] <kenvandine> i think characters is the only problematic one
[14:38] <willcooke_> bug already logged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-characters/+bug/1795560
[14:38]  * Laney is lucky?
[14:39] <kenvandine> i'll go back to the app icon today
[14:39] <kenvandine> for characters
[14:40] <willcooke_> imported to Trevinho FWIW: https://trello.com/c/sAV4sAjA/118-bug1795560-the-gnome-characters-icon-doesnt-work
[14:40] <Laney> hope you got consent for that
[14:40] <seb128> Laney, you are on bionic ? what theme do you use ?
[14:41] <Laney> VM
[14:41] <Laney> ambiance
[14:41] <seb128> maybe the seeded snap is outdated
[14:41] <seb128> well not maybe
[14:41] <Laney> is that a seeded one?
[14:41] <seb128> yes
[14:41] <Laney> I installed it manually anyway
[14:41] <Laney> wasn't on that system
[14:41] <seb128> weird
[14:41] <seb128> I've no explanation then
[14:41] <seb128> what version of the snap do you have?
[14:42] <Laney> 3.29.whateveritwas
[14:42] <Laney> then I installed the edge one
[14:45] <Laney> got a load of SRUs to install
[14:45] <willcooke_> oh, I'm running proposed, if that matters
[14:46] <Laney> want to bet whether one of these breaks it? :-)
[14:51] <Laney> nah still works
[14:52] <Laney> LUCKY ME!
[15:34] <kenvandine> seb128: i updated characters to 3.30 too
[15:43] <kenvandine> seb128: so i want to SRU the uuid fccache change for fontconfig to bionic
[15:43] <kenvandine> so we can build snaps right from bionic proper
[15:44] <kenvandine> seb128: what do you think about an SRU of 2.13.0 instead of just picking that change as a patch?
[15:44] <kenvandine> i looked at just that patch, but there have been a number of little bug fixes since then related to the same code
[15:44] <kenvandine> that are all in 2.13
[15:46] <kenvandine> seb128: once we do that we can really look at building snaps with core18/bionic instead of the backports and xenial
[15:56] <Trevinho> willcooke_: to me? Or Ken...
[15:56] <Trevinho> I see is already fixed..
[16:11] <willcooke> sorry Trevinho, I meant "Trello" ;D
[16:50] <Trevinho> ahah
[19:40] <seb128> kenvandine, it's tricky, font rendering is a complex topic and it's not impossible that the update creates problems or difference in rendering/fonts selection
[19:40] <seb128> it's the sort of SRU that makes me nervous
[19:41] <kenvandine> seb128: i know... but it helps keep snaps fast to start :)
[19:41] <kenvandine> we could do some more extensive testing
[19:41] <seb128> right, I understand that
[19:41] <seb128> pass it by the SRU team for opinions?
[19:41] <kenvandine> btw, we've built some snaps based on bionic and core18 :-D
[19:41] <kenvandine> all working very well
[19:41] <seb128> or maybe ask Steve if he's around, maybe he has an opinion
[19:42] <kenvandine> but we need this before we can move forward
[19:42] <kenvandine> sure
[19:42] <seb128> he maintains freetype
[19:42] <kenvandine> oh really
[19:42] <kenvandine> i had no idea
[19:42] <seb128> :)
[19:42] <seb128> well, you could have a bionic backport ppa with that
[19:42] <seb128> no?
[20:01] <kenvandine> seb128: i don't want to require a PPA
[20:01] <kenvandine> seb128: i want other snap packagers to just get the right thing
[20:01] <kenvandine> until we have the build snap
[20:01] <kenvandine> which will solve all the problems :)
[20:01] <seb128> right
[20:02] <kenvandine> i'll talk to steve
[20:02] <seb128> I meant that you don't need to "block on that" to migrate to build on bionic
[20:03] <seb128> bionic with ppa would still be better than xenial with larger ppa
[20:15] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell
[20:15] <robert_ancell> willcooke, o/
[20:15] <willcooke> Just emailed you about a G-Software SRU
[20:15] <robert_ancell> ok
[20:15] <willcooke> and I wanted to ask a question about:
[20:15] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bolt/+bug/1798014
[20:15] <willcooke> nothing to do with you, but you might know
[20:16] <willcooke> Do you think anything needs doing to raise the profile of that with the SRU team?
[20:16] <willcooke> Is that status correct etc?
[20:17] <seb128> willcooke, I'm looking at bolt, why not asking me?
[20:18] <robert_ancell> yeah, this looks like something seb128 will know much more than me :)
[20:18] <seb128> willcooke, for the record that pb and SRU has been discussed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bolt/+bug/1795864
[20:19] <seb128> also the tagging he did is of no use since the update is already in bionic-updates
[20:19] <willcooke> seb128, because it's 10:19pm for you.  Log off.
[20:19] <seb128> :p
[20:19] <willcooke> also woo
[20:19] <willcooke> thank you
[20:19] <seb128> np
[20:19] <seb128> thanks for reminding me
[20:20] <seb128> I had it on my todo for the day to look at that problem
[20:20] <seb128> I'm going to comment on the fwupd SRU bug now
[20:21] <robert_ancell> seb128, did you also have logging off on your todo?
[20:22] <willcooke> :D
[20:22] <seb128> shrug
[20:22] <seb128> let me use that word flexibility we have
[20:23] <seb128> work
[20:23] <seb128> I stepped out early, just finishing things I put on side in the afternoon
[20:27]  * oSoMoN says good night, flexible-style :)
[20:41] <seb128> k, on that note calling it a day
[20:41] <seb128> 'night desktoper
[20:41] <seb128> desktopers


[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:47] <RikMills> santa_: have uploaded knewstuff. will push git when/if it is approved from the queue
[16:58] <santa_> RikMills: thanks!


[12:08] <Mr_Pan> o/
[15:47] <ddstreet> (backporters meeting has been cancelled today, next is scheduled in 2 weeks)


[00:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Standard Ubuntu Gaming Platform: Sink Or Swim? - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/14/standard-ubuntu-gaming-platform-sink-or-swim/
[00:31] <MattJ> I...
[00:31] <MattJ> ...don't know what on earth is going on with my system
[00:32] <MattJ> I'm trying to attach a file to an email in Gmail, and every time I try, it attaches the wrong file (another random file from my home directory)
[00:32] <MattJ> I assumed it was Epiphany's fault (though no idea why it just started), until I found it happened in Chrome too
[00:33] <MattJ> If it happens in Firefox as well I don't know what I'll do :)
[00:33] <MattJ> It must be a GTK bug
[00:39] <MattJ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/558674
[00:40] <MattJ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/558674/comments/30
[00:40] <MattJ> Ouch, that's painful
[03:04] <alexcockell> Morning..
[03:04] <alexcockell> Can't sleep..
[03:14] <Azelphur> howdy :P
[03:19] <alexcockell> Funny how it goes midweek -
[03:20]  * alexcockell got brew, so should be ok..
[03:20] <alexcockell> Hmm - do I spin up a DVD - or browse?
[03:21] <alexcockell> Good thing I've got the whole week working from home while this abscess finishes clearing..
[03:22] <Azelphur> \o/
[03:32]  * alexcockell yawns
[03:32] <alexcockell> Morning Ging..
[03:32] <alexcockell> Another one who can't sleep?
[03:37] <Azelphur> I just usually don't sleep at this time, I'm a night lurker
[03:59] <alexcockell> Ahhh... I get you..
[04:00]  * alexcockell looking at some places I used to buy nukable meals from
[04:05] <Azelphur> :P
[04:05] <alexcockell> places like http://www.jollygourmand.co.uk
[04:07] <Azelphur> hehe
[04:35] <exobuzz> did anyone watch Terry Pratchett, Choosing To Die ?
[04:35] <exobuzz> tough watch that. but an important subject to cover
[04:35] <exobuzz> upsetting though..
[04:37] <exobuzz> sorry bit off topic that but
[06:42] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[07:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Metal Free Software Song 2: This Time Its Personal - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/15/metal-free-software-song-2-this-time-its-personal/
[07:37] <niolite> hey guys!!
[07:38] <niolite> need some help with my vps server running on unbuntu!
[07:46] <niolite> *ubuntu i mean
[08:04] <BigRedS> nixtux: what's the actual question you have?
[08:04] <BigRedS> Ah. niolite's left
[08:05] <JGJones> maybe that's the problem..it just died, taking him with it ;-)
[08:08] <BigRedS> haha
[08:14] <JGJones> Hmm - EKOPath 4 compiler is now opensource...apparently it's much much faster than GCC - does that mean in future we're going to see Ubuntu go even faster? (benchmark-wise, it is about the same as Windows, except for graphics)
[08:15] <JGJones> assuming they use EXOPath 4
[08:15] <JGJones> I can guess Gentoo would be the first to do so :)
[08:26] <ali1234> good luck getting all the packages in a typical distro to compile with anything but gcc
[08:26] <ali1234> if you want to see ubuntu go really fast just buy more ram
[08:30] <diplo> Any of you guys do web development ?
[08:30] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[08:30] <bigcalm> diplo: I do
[08:31] <diplo> Hiya bigcalm
[08:31] <diplo> I use Codeigniter framework, tried creating my first rss feed
[08:31] <diplo> Can see the feed in the source
[08:31] <diplo> but can't get it to display on the page
[08:32] <bigcalm> I've not used codeigniter
[08:32] <diplo> Any thoughts on why.. does RSS *need* a style sheet by default ?
[08:32] <bigcalm> A RSS feed is just an XML file
[08:32] <diplo> yep
[08:32] <bigcalm> It shouldn't have any styles
[08:33] <diplo> My code looks the same as BBC's but doesn't display say in firefox to subscribe
[08:33] <bigcalm> Do you have a live URL I can look at?
[08:33] <diplo> But BBC's does, I just can't think what else to look at :/
[08:33] <diplo> Local :(
[08:34] <bigcalm> Ok, are you passing the correct Content-type into header()?
[08:34] <diplo> Only thing that displays is the title
[08:34] <bigcalm> text/xml
[08:34] <diplo> yeah, tried it two different ways from tutorials on the web
[08:34] <diplo> rss+xml
[08:34] <diplo> I'm passing
[08:35] <diplo> header("Content-Type: application/rss+xml")
[08:36] <bigcalm> Load the feed in firefox and see what firebug says about the document
[08:37] <diplo> Do you know what, I haven't even looked at Firebugs output
[08:37] <diplo> Good call!
[08:37] <diplo> :)
[08:41]  * diplo hugs bigcalm
[08:41] <diplo> I use Firebug everyday yet i missed that
[08:42] <diplo> Still not sure what the part I've just removed does ( first time XML  person ) but going to look into it today
[08:42] <bigcalm> Good show :)
[08:44] <diplo> To do with the use of CDATA
[08:44] <diplo> Going to work out what that is now :)
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> CDATA = character data
this could be cdata</foo>
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> (it's cdata if foo is defined as containing cdata, of if you use <![CDATA[ CDATA HERE ]]>  )
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> diplo: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_cdata.asp
[08:46] <diplo> On that page now funnily enough ta
[08:48] <diplo> aha, think the code was incorrect on tutorial
[08:48] <diplo> All working, thanks all!
[08:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:03] <davmor2> morning all
[09:03]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski cause she need to be wide awake
[09:03]  * MooDoo prods davmor2 cause he's prodding czajkowski and i need someone to prod
[09:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning me owld mukka
[09:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: hi mate :)
[09:07] <bigcalm> ARGH!
[09:07] <bigcalm> Opened a tab and forgotten what I was going to do with it
[09:11] <DJones> Morning all
[09:17] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:17] <oimon> considering eating this innocent smoothie with a spoon..rather thick
[09:18] <hoover> mornin all
[09:19] <MooDoo> morning
[09:20] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie
[09:26] <diplo> bigcalm, one last issue if you have any idea
[09:26] <diplo> BST does not seem to be supported ( using date('T') )
[09:26] <diplo> by rss
[09:27] <diplo> My google foo isn't fielding results atm, any thoughts apart from hard coding
[09:27] <diplo> ?
[09:27] <diplo> Works fine if i hardcode GMT in there
[09:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: I can help you there you were going to use it to do something :)  hope that helped
[09:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: what would I do without you?
[09:27] <bigcalm> diplo: um. Have you set a local time?
[09:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:28] <diplo> ah, so in the php.ini ?
[09:28] <bigcalm> You can do it in there. You can also do it in .htaccess or in the PHP itself
[09:28] <bigcalm> I personally try not to alter php.ini
[09:29] <daubers> Morning
[09:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: I've know idea carry on living maybe?
[09:30] <bigcalm> One would hope
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> only one way to find out.. *sharpens knife*
[09:36] <daubers> Ever get the feeling you've walked into the wrong conversation?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> daubers: hmm? :)
[09:37] <oimon> they are about to cut a cake :)
[09:37] <oimon> a wednesday cake
[09:37] <bigcalm> CAKE!
[09:37] <daubers> cake?
[09:37] <oimon> mmm bought some custard tarts today
[09:38]  * daubers wants cake, but isn't allowed it :(
[09:38] <oimon> i need to start thinking about rooting my htx desire now that gbread isn't coming
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> daubers: The computer wants you to complete an obstacle course first?
[09:38] <bigcalm> oimon: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/
[09:39] <oimon> however i also like the sense ui
[09:39]  * MartijnVdS loves his N1
[09:39] <oimon> i find stock android ugly
[09:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: That would be better, but it's more that I tried to fit in my tux I bought at Uni the other month and there where..... humorous consequences
[09:39] <oimon> i hear there's sense mods too
[09:39] <popey> MooDoo: you live in nottingham don't you?
[09:39] <popey> Morning all btw
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> howdy popey
[09:39] <daubers> o/ popey
[09:40] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[09:40] <MooDoo> popey: yeah
[09:41] <popey> sort your local LUG out!
[09:41] <popey> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/2011-June/014261.html
[09:41] <oimon> anyone here running a cyanogen mod?
[09:41] <popey> Welcome to the past, welcome to Nottingham!
[09:41] <oimon> bigcalm: ?
[09:41] <MooDoo> oimon: not till tonight
[09:41] <oimon> lol
[09:42] <MooDoo> popey: sigh
[09:42] <popey> as another friend pointed out, that thread epitomises whats wrong with LUGs
[09:42] <popey> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/2011-June/thread.html#14269  <- more chat about renaming the LUG than anything else
[09:42] <MooDoo> oimon: now that gingerbread isn't being release for my phone, i'm going to try it tonight
[09:42] <oimon> i'll be back tomorrow to ask how it went :)
[09:42] <bigcalm> oimon: one of the best android mods
[09:42] <oimon> do you have a desire?
[09:43] <bigcalm> Nope, n1
[09:43] <bigcalm> I loves my n1
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> N1 \o/
[09:43] <popey> also amusingly http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/2011-June/014266.html suggests that we (lug.org.uk) should register glug.org.uk for "GNU/Linux User Group"
[09:43] <popey> Pssst (I did that about 2 years ago)
[09:43] <oimon> i wonder if i'm getting it right about Sense
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> though the NS looks nice (my N1 is starting to become a bit rebooty)
[09:44] <oimon> or if the cyanogen gives me what i'm using anyway
[09:44] <oimon> i want a rock solid mod, for sure
[09:44] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: same here. I'm hoping a new release will fix some issues
[09:44] <MooDoo> popey: they are a bunch of old crankys set in their ways ;)
[09:44] <davmor2> popey: I thought that was for Gloucester Lug?
[09:44] <bigcalm> oimon: about as rock solid as you're going to get
[09:44] <popey> nope
[09:44] <popey> I registered http://glug.org.uk/
[09:44] <davmor2> popey: Teasing :D
[09:45] <popey> nobody else had it
[09:45] <popey> neuro wanted it for Glasgae iirc
[09:45] <oimon> GLUG that's the one that involves drinking right?
[09:46] <MooDoo> oimon: desire too right?
[09:46] <oimon> yes
[09:46] <MooDoo> oimon: sigh eh :)
[09:46] <oimon> it's terrible PR for them
[09:46] <MooDoo> definately especially as gingerbread works fine on it
[09:46] <oimon> they should make it work
[09:46] <oimon> check out their fb wall and it's full of fail
[09:47] <oimon> https://www.facebook.com/htcuk?sk=wall
[09:47] <MooDoo> oimon: it does work already,they are just talking #FAIL
[09:47]  * daubers gets his galaxy S 2 next month \o/
[09:47] <MooDoo> daubers: :p
[09:47] <daubers> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[09:48] <oimon> i need a faster SD card too
[09:48] <oimon> especially if i use data to sd
[09:49] <AlanBell> morning from ExCeL
[09:49] <BigRedS> hm. the noc is looking very canonical today
[09:49] <MooDoo> AlanBell: morning :D
[09:49] <czajkowski> meh
[09:49]  * MooDoo gives czajkowski a big hug :D
[09:49] <AlanBell> daubers: I amtethering right now with my S2
[09:50] <AlanBell> czajkowski: what is meh?
[09:50] <czajkowski> bugs
[09:50] <daubers> AlanBell: Morning! Also, I've potentially got (1 or 2) HD cameras that are not tape driven for oggcampe
[09:50] <bigcalm> IMAP is wonderful ;)
[09:50] <bigcalm> Just keep it away from Evolution
[09:51] <AlanBell> oh nice daubers
[09:51] <daubers> They'll also accept audio in. So we could get them a feed from somewher
[09:51] <daubers> e
[09:51] <bigcalm> If I were to have a nap under my desk, would anybody notice?
[09:51] <daubers> bigcalm: Depends on where your desk is located
[09:52] <MooDoo> daubers: you could stream it using bambuser ;)
[09:52] <bigcalm> daubers: in my house ;)
[09:52] <daubers> MooDoo: Might have some slight sync issues :p
[09:52] <bigcalm> I started the day with coffee when I usually have tea. I wonder if that's made the difference?
[09:53] <BigRedS> surely it'd go the other way?
[09:54] <daubers> MooDoo: However, depending on the venues internet connectivity, it might be possible to stream the video out using something
[09:54] <MooDoo> daubers: sounds good, it would be nice to see it live-ish especially for people like me that can't make it
[09:55] <daubers> MooDoo: Would really, really depend on their bandwidth though
[09:55] <MooDoo> daubers: yeah
[09:55] <daubers> (I suspect it's not good)
[09:55] <BigRedS> nah, 3G bonding of all participants, we'll be fine
[09:55] <daubers> I  have a funny feeling that to get the videos uploaded there may be a sneakernet system to AlanBells house
[09:56] <oimon> anyone recommend a good but inexpensive microSD card for my htc?
[09:56]  * BigRedS packs some empty pringles cans
[09:56] <daubers> Heh :)
[10:00] <daubers> I hate documentation
[10:00] <daubers> Considering I always get interrupted when I'm writing it, I'm taking that as a sign the universe doesn't want me to write it
[10:03] <BigRedS> w
[10:06] <oimon> quick question re: android custom roms - if i want to revert to the htc rom after loading the cyanogen one is it possible?
[10:06] <MooDoo> oimon: i'll tell you tomorrow pmsl
[10:09] <brobostigon> oimon: yes, it is, do a nandroid backup inbetween, so you canalways wipe, and restore fromthe backup.
[10:09] <oimon> brobostigon: great cheers, will look into that.
[10:09] <brobostigon> oimon: :)
[10:10] <brobostigon> oimon: idoit everytime, incase i mess up.
[10:10] <oimon> i'm on holiday soon so i will try to wait till afterwards to do the upgrade
[10:10] <oimon> nandroid needs root?
[10:10] <brobostigon> oimon: no, it partof the new recovery youwill need.
[10:10] <MooDoo> oimon: yes and so does cygnamonthingy
[10:10] <MooDoo> sorry i thought it did
[10:11] <brobostigon> MooDoo: its ppart of the phones recovery software,
[10:11] <MooDoo> brobostigon: ah! :0
[10:11] <MooDoo> :)
[10:12] <brobostigon> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Howto:_Using_the_Recovery
[10:13] <JGJones> oimon, You can use LauncherPro. That along with Cyanogen does quite a lot, probably more than Sense can do.
[10:13] <brobostigon> amon_ra and clockworkmod are twotypes.
[10:14] <oimon> guys at this rate i will be tempted to slap cyanogen by the end of the day :S
[10:14] <JGJones> oimon - like bigcalm I've got a N1. Got Cyanogen on mine, and it's awesome.
[10:14]  * MooDoo will install it on his desire this very evening
[10:15] <brobostigon> oimon: one thing, do you research properly, about the process. lets justsay, ididnt, and almost regreetted it.
[10:15] <oimon> oh?
[10:15] <brobostigon> oimon: i almost bricked myphone.
[10:16] <JGJones> I think Gingerbread isn't going on Desire due to lack of memory does make sense actually - it's not the speed, the phone can run it fine, but the available space on a Desire, like the N1 is quite small.
[10:16] <JGJones> And Gingerbread eat into that, leaving very little space left over even with App2SD.
[10:17] <JGJones> I use Cyanogen 7 (which is GB) and I use SD-EXT just to make room for app installation.
[10:17] <brobostigon> JGJones: the version of AOSP of gingerbread i have on myhtc dream right now, is almost as perfect as cm6/2.2.1
[10:17] <oimon> which SD ards do u use?
[10:17] <JGJones> oimon, I use a Transmedia class 10 SD card btw. - get a fast SD card
[10:18] <brobostigon> oimon: a 2gb microsd.
[10:18] <oimon> brobostigon: class?
[10:18] <JGJones> oimon, mine is 8GB
[10:18] <brobostigon> oimon: not a clue.
[10:18] <JGJones> brobostigon, if it came with the phone, it'll probably be class 4.
[10:19] <oimon> i think it makes a big difference. mine is a class 2 that came with the phone and HD video doesn't work properly - jitters
[10:19] <oimon> when recording
[10:19] <brobostigon> JGJones: no, i added it seperatly.
[10:19] <JGJones> Oimon I can recommend transmedia class 10 SD - it's fast. I don't notice any difference speed-wise when I'm using SD-EXT
[10:19] <JGJones> even my Dalvik cache is on SD.
[10:20] <brobostigon> interesting.
[10:22] <oimon> found a kingston class 10 pretty cheap, think i will go with that
[10:23] <oimon> JGJones: do you mean transcend rather than transmedia?
[10:23] <JGJones> hmm oh yeah you might be right.
[10:24] <JGJones> looking
[10:25] <JGJones> yeah it is
[10:25] <d3ngar> Hi there
[10:25] <d3ngar> I was wondering how USB devices get their device ID?
[10:25] <d3ngar> Is there a particular order?
[10:29] <popey> burned in at manufacture
[10:29] <X3N_> d3ngar: look up HAL
[10:29] <popey> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
[10:29] <popey> if you're talking about  067b:2303
[10:30] <AlanBell> daubers: yeah, my house and popey's, he has more upstream I think
[10:30] <d3ngar> No, sorry... Should be more precise: how dows a device become /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc
[10:30] <d3ngar> I have two external disc
[10:30] <popey> first come first served usually
[10:30] <popey> order of detection
[10:30] <popey> a->z
[10:30] <d3ngar> /dev/sdb became /dev/sdc
[10:30] <popey> if sdb is in use it will use sdc
[10:30] <d3ngar> After reboot and messed up some of the mount points in fstab
[10:30] <d3ngar> True, that makes sense
[10:31] <popey> thats why fstab uses UUID now
[10:31] <popey> not device names
[10:31] <d3ngar> i see
[10:31] <popey> UUID=1bfde0d5-1f55-436b-8271-96cc2c05a96f /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:31] <popey> like that
[10:31] <d3ngar> alright, so I should probably change that
[10:31] <oimon> JGJones: just got myself a transcend class 10 ..you can collect your commission now :)
[10:31] <d3ngar> How do I get the UUID?
[10:31] <X3N_> http://people.redhat.com/davidz/hal-spec/hal-spec.html#fdi-policy
[10:32] <X3N_> http://www.michaelwood.me.uk/wordpress/2008/11/18/changing-a-hal-media-mount-point/
[10:32] <JGJones> oimon, next - get ready to install Cyanogen ;-)
[10:32] <oimon> gonna wait for the card to arrive first :D
[10:33] <JGJones> I can recommend LauncherPro Plus - it have some of the same widgets you get in Sense I think (Never used Sense so can't be sure)
[10:33] <JGJones> but it's fast.
[10:34] <oimon> but ...it ....costs.....money :o)
[10:35]  * oimon buys hardware willy nilly but software is a stumlbing block :)
[10:36] <hoover> JGJones: how about separate profiles? I only found those in sense so far
[10:36] <hoover> (htc wildfire here)
[10:38] <BigRedS> LauncherPro is free
[10:39] <BigRedS> it just lets you try to do things only plus will do, and then asks if you'd like to buy it to do whatever it is
[10:40] <hoover> I've tried launcherpro a while ago
[10:40] <JGJones> hoover, separate profiles? Separate user accounts etc?
[10:40] <hoover> no, just the usual "vibrate", "normal", "meeting" and so on
[10:43] <BigRedS> there was an app I used to use that'd do brilliant profile changes
[10:44] <BigRedS> You could set it to change most of the alerts and volumes based on time, presence of Wifi, presence of 3g, location
[10:44] <BigRedS> all sorts. It was amazing. But I've not needed it for a couple of years so I've no idea whether it still exists
[10:45] <BigRedS> It didn't do ambient noise, though, which irked me
[10:45] <JGJones> hoover, ah those...I tend to use Tasker myself
[10:46] <JGJones> hoover, my phone is permenantly on silent anyway.
[10:55] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:55] <oimon> hmm..you have to root your phone to install nandroid backup, but rooting deletes all data...paradox here
[10:56] <bigcalm> Myrtti: *hugs*
[10:57] <BigRedS> oimon: you always root your phone before using it, surely?
[10:57] <oimon> ummm
[10:57] <oimon> no need
[10:57] <Myrtti> ive not rooted mine :-)
[10:57] <BigRedS> Oh
[10:57] <BigRedS> freaks :)
[10:57] <Myrtti> nexus one ♥
[10:58] <BigRedS> you can get individual backup things, what're you wanting to backup in particular?
[11:00] <oimon> BigRedS: backup the whole shebang, pre-custom rom install
[11:01] <oimon> although i heard that unrevoked will not wipe your data
[11:01] <BigRedS> well, your contacts will be on Google, there's certainly apps for SMSs and for apps
[11:02] <BigRedS> I'd not trust the idea of a rom install that doesn't wipe data :) Upgrades frequently don't, but I've not come across a rom *install* that doesn't
[11:02] <BigRedS> though I've not particularly looked, either...
[11:03] <oimon> not a rom install, just rooting it in advance of a rom install
[11:03] <BigRedS> ohhh. rooting shouldn't kill anything IME
[11:03] <BigRedS> though I've only done that three times, and I imagine there's many many more ways and devices than that of doing it
[11:03] <oimon> hmm prob not the best time for me to research this..i think i'll do the proper research and pick a saturday to do it :)
[11:04] <BigRedS> haha, yeah. You've probably come across it already, but xda-developers is a goldmine for this sort of info
[11:15] <BigRedS> Hm. I have a bunch of colour themes for my terminal, and I'd like to be able to periodically change which one I'm using but I can't see a way of saying "make this one default". Is there a way?
[11:16] <oimon> BigRedS: gnome-terminal?
[11:16] <JGJones> BigRedS, Gnome Terminal?
[11:17] <BigRedS> oimon JGJones er, Terminator but it appears to use g-t
[11:17] <JGJones> If so - Edit > Profiles in Gnome Terminal will do it.
[11:17] <BigRedS> aha!
[11:17] <BigRedS> ah, terminator doesn't use that :/
[11:18] <BigRedS> To the launchpad! :)
[11:18] <JGJones> sigh...anyone have a clue on how to speed up MX Records in validation for Google Apps?
[11:18] <JGJones> It've been over 30 hours now while I wait for them to "verify" it.
[11:21] <bigcalm> Add the additional DNS TXT record
[11:22] <JGJones> Already done that step, the 2nd step is to verify the MX records.
[11:22] <JGJones> and that part is taking a silly amount of time.
[11:25] <BigRedS> run your own mx and dns servers? :)
[11:26] <JGJones> BigRedS, I would, but not for me :)
[11:26] <BigRedS> run someone else's mx and ns then :)
[11:28] <JGJones> Hmm googling it, and someone mentioned they waited 2 weeks...eek
[11:29] <JGJones> look like I might need to wait 48 hours and it've not quite been that long.
[11:31] <oimon> anyone know who i can complain to about Virgin sending me mail to "the occupier...1 oimon road, oimonsley"
[11:32] <oimon> i have tried asking virgin but no success
[11:33] <BigRedS> I'd probably ask ofcom :)
[11:33] <BigRedS> There's probably a more sensible route for junk mail, but I like complaining to ofcom
[11:35] <DJones> I wonder whether danfish has lost a laptop? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/15/eight_million_health_records/
[11:35] <oimon> to talk to our team press 0: "oops that's not recognised"
[11:35] <BigRedS> oimon: really?
[11:35] <bigcalm> Drinking mugs of real coffee as if they were tea - not good
[11:36] <JGJones> When you use Totem to watch a movie and download subtitles with it - where does this subtitle file goes? in /tmp or elsewhere?
[11:38] <gord> chances are it doesn't go anywhere
[11:38] <oimon> on the phone to virgin..asking to get put on the "do not contact" list
[11:38] <oimon> willing to wait all day :)
[11:39] <bigcalm> Had a 6" sub yesterday and then got an email saying I'd just won a 6" sub. Do I dare have another one today?
[11:41] <dogmatic69> popey: you think that 25k bitcoin heist is legit?
[11:42] <oimon> allegedly virgin told me that i won't receive any more mail
[11:42] <oimon> although they asked for my name in the process
[11:42] <oimon> i feel like i've been stiched up
[11:43] <JGJones> Where do I put python scripts for nautlius to use?
[11:43] <MooDoo> bigcalm: 6 inch subs are rubbish, you should start with a foot long, they are better :D
[11:43] <JGJones> is it in ~/.nautlius ?
[11:51] <bigcalm> MooDoo: over-eating is rubbish. It takes a lot of will power not to get the foot long
[11:51] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i won't say that sometimes i normally have 2 :S
[11:51] <oimon> whaa?
[11:51] <bigcalm> You have 2 foot long subs for lunch
[11:52] <bigcalm> ?
[11:52] <oimon> ££
[11:52] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i've been known too on occasion, i'm tall so got hollow legs lol
[11:52]  * oimon discovers why he is underweight
[11:52] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:52] <MooDoo> oimon: i'm clinically obese, well occording to the dr's lol
[11:52] <oimon> everybody else has been eating behind his back
[11:53] <oimon> just like when people pretend not to revise for exams
[11:53] <DJones> greggs over the road from my office do foot long subs for between £1.95 and £2.90
[11:53] <bigcalm> Not quite the same
[11:54] <oimon> i have a cornish pasty for lunch
[11:54] <diplo> oimon, I just read up.. I left virgin 8 months ago and get at least 3-4 of those letters a month
[11:55] <diplo> If you are still on the phone add me :)
[11:55] <oimon> diplo: i called 0845 454 11 11
[11:55] <oimon> then after waiting a few mins if offers you to press 0 to speak to team. it failed twice and worked the 3rd time.
[11:55] <oimon> then i said "add me to your do not contact list"
[11:55] <oimon> she said ummm not sure how to do that
[11:56] <oimon> finally she promised it was sorted
[11:56] <oimon> i should have recorded the call tho
[11:57] <diplo> :)
[12:08] <czajkowski> oimon: only if you'd tell her you were recording it
[12:08] <oimon> czajkowski: i don't think that's an issue
[12:09] <czajkowski> yes it is...
[12:09] <czajkowski> you have to tell someone you are recording a call
[12:09] <oimon> Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use.
[12:09] <oimon> do I have to let people know that I intend to record their telephone conversations with me? No,
[12:09] <oimon> ^^ from ofcom
[12:10] <czajkowski> yes...
[12:10] <BigRedS> but saying "I'm recording this" is normally more effective than just quietly recording it anyway
[12:10] <czajkowski> what kinda people want to record a conversation anyways
[12:10] <czajkowski> *bogggles*
[12:10] <czajkowski> weird
[12:10] <oimon> in the past , it's made VM hang up on me
[12:10] <czajkowski> oimon: because it's weird...
[12:10] <czajkowski> that's why
[12:10] <BigRedS> oh
[12:10] <oimon> i had to record my calls with them because they thieved from me
[12:10] <czajkowski> BigRedS: aye exactly
[12:11]  * czajkowski goes to read emails
[12:11] <oimon> i advise anyone to record calls with VM
[12:11] <BigRedS> I advise people to just not deal with VM....
[12:11] <oimon> +1
[12:11]  * davmor2 blindfolds czajkowski to prevent her from reading her emails :D
[12:15] <davmor2> oimon: you do if you plan to use it in a court as evidence which aiui is what your plan was
[12:15] <oimon> davmor2: nope :P
[12:16] <oimon> davmor2: you are correct, but i don't plan to use it in court
[12:17] <davmor2> oimon: you do if you are accusing them of theft
[12:17] <oimon> that was settled a couple of years back
[12:18] <oimon> my last dealings with them
[12:24] <daubers> oimon: Snap!
[12:57] <JGJones> That's a bummer - http://blogs.adobe.com/open/2011/06/focusing-on-the-next-linux-client.html - they're going to drop Adobe Air for linux (I use BBC iPlayer Desktop a lot)
[12:59] <popey> whhhhhyyyyy?
[12:59] <popey> get_iplayer > BBC iPlayer Desktop
[13:00] <mrwarmth> popey, wasn't get_iplayer shutdown by the BBC (or something?)
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> mrwarmth: it still works for me
[13:04] <Dave2> It wasn't shut down by the BBC, the author just decided that he didn't want to continue it given that the BBC evidently didn't like it
[13:07] <czajkowski> am on a roll today with email
[13:07] <gord> the bbc not improving the iplayer stuff then? i would of thought by now we would have at least a html5 player
[13:07] <BigRedS> mrwarmth: it's still maintained, just by a different author
[13:10] <oimon> iplayer_dl was stopped sadly
[13:10] <oimon> but get_iplayer is essential to my viewing needs
[13:11] <oimon> i've never downloaded adobe air on any of my devices
[13:11] <BigRedS> I'd not really felt a need for get_iplayer until the other day when I wanted the video full-screened on one monitor while I worked on another
[13:11] <BigRedS> and I thought "hang on, why am I watching a video in not-a-video-player?"
[13:16] <oimon> and if you can keep them on your pvr, why not on your laptop?
[13:17] <JGJones> popey - can get_iplayer fetch subtitles?
[13:17] <JGJones> If not then BBC iPlayer Desktop > get_iplayer
[13:18] <oimon> i believe so
[13:18] <brobostigon> yes it can,
[13:18] <JGJones> it can? That's fantastic...can get rid of Air completely then...
[13:19] <oimon> the interface is a little clucky
[13:19] <oimon> clunky
[13:19] <JGJones> oh hell...that's annoying...
[13:19] <oimon> i end up search my bash history each ti mi use it
[13:20] <oimon> it's a cli, but slight less easy than iplayer_dl
[13:20] <JGJones> just enabled twinview on nvidia....globalmenu correctly shows on my primary display....
[13:20] <JGJones> but unity launcher pops up on secondary
[13:21] <JGJones> problem with get_iplayer vs BBC iPlayer Desktop - noobs using Ubuntu will use Adobe Air, it does its job well enough. Without that, they would be stuck until get_iplayer can make a GUI for them
[13:24] <oimon> i get the feeling that bbc allow get_iplayer is because people don't really talk about it
[13:25] <BigRedS> I put it down to it being more hassle than it's worth to attempt to stop it
[13:26] <mrwarmth> BigRedS, thank you, I'll give it another go and see if it runs better than the iplayer website on my netbook
[13:26] <JGJones> oimon, what would they do when they can't update iplayer desktop due to outdated AIR on Linux? We're licence payers after all
[13:26] <oimon> flash player
[13:26] <oimon> on the website
[13:26] <JGJones> although I've complained numerous times to them over subtitles on Android
[13:27] <JGJones> and they haven't responded to me.
[13:27] <oimon> i have myplayer on android
[13:27] <oimon> the old version before they stripped out the iplayer stuff
[13:27] <JGJones> oimon, I had that but it doesn't play subtitles
[13:27] <oimon> ok, i never checked
[13:28] <JGJones> Flash on Android CAN play subtitles, no issues but you have to switch browser agent string to Desktop
[13:28] <JGJones> so essentially they're stripping out subtitles for mobile versions....doesn't make sense to me.
[13:30] <oimon> oh myplayer seems to have ceased functioning
[13:33] <oimon> JGJones: oh yeah, just reading http://gwallgofi.com/post/6172588561/bbc-iplayer-discriminating-against-the-deaf which seems pretty damning
[13:36] <gord> discriminating is such a horrible word, it gets thrown around so much by people that just assume that someone else is evil and hates them for no reason
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> "suboptimal" is better?
[13:36] <JGJones> brobostigon, ta for letting me know about subtitles, just downloading a sample with --subtitles to try out.
[13:36] <brobostigon> JGJones: ok.
[13:37] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: or, less than adequate,
[13:37] <JGJones> gord - it is. I don't think BBC are discriminating *on purpose* but do need a kick up the arse to make them realise that there's a big sector out there that does depend on subtitles.
[13:38] <JGJones> on one hand, BBC is awesome in doing subtitles (they're the only channel that does 100% subtitling on all channels except for BBC Parliament)
[13:39] <gord> JGJones, its not an appropriate word to use
[13:39] <JGJones> so when is it appropriate?
[13:40] <JGJones> ie in my first job, yonks ago, I was passed over for a team leader position because of my deafness.
[13:40] <JGJones> Would that count as discrimination? It does for me.
[13:40] <JGJones> it doesn't say I didn't get it cos I was crap at the job, but because I'm deaf.
[13:40] <gord> when prejudice is involved, when its unfair. not in this case
[13:41] <gord> this is a case of one version of a thing having different features of another version of a thing, i would assume for technical reasons
[13:41] <brobostigon> but it is unfair, under DDA, to not allow, someone with diasablement of any kind access to services, as iunderstand it,
[13:41] <gord> its not like someone at the bbc is sitting there going "lol, no subtitles for android users, haha! that'll show em", maybe it was an oversight or something, but its not discrimination
[13:42] <gord> brobostigon, they have access to the service
[13:42] <brobostigon> gord: yes i agree,
[13:42] <JGJones> gord I know. I agree, it's an oversight - but when I've complained to them for quite a long time now...
[13:42] <brobostigon> itmight simply be, technical inability to implement it.
[13:42] <JGJones> brobostigon, put in a "S" button.
[13:42] <brobostigon> JGJones: for example, yes.
[13:43] <JGJones> it works on Desktop version, but not for Mobile (it's removed).
[13:43] <brobostigon> hmm.
[13:43] <JGJones> They then launch a new BBC iPlayer app for android.
[13:43] <JGJones> does use flash too, but no subtitles.
[13:44] <JGJones> even though I know I've requested it support subtitles. So it's just annoying for me. I agree it's not discrimination, ie they're not doing it on purpose, but it's tiresome.
[13:46] <brobostigon> i havent been able to try that app yet, my htc dream can run 2.3, however it is too old, to support flash.
[13:46] <gord> i got annoyed and tired of a lot of bbc things, so i made the choice to stop supporting them, vote with your feet and all that
[13:47] <mrwarmth> does the android app let you watch live tv? the mobile site doesn't seem to support this
[13:51] <MooDoo> what the?
[13:51] <popey> Crivens!
[13:51] <davmor2> JGJones: I don't think they are going out of their way to be prejudiced, think of the platform you are talking about,  it's a phone.  Their thinking is likely to be if a deaf person can use this then they are deaf, they just have poor hearing so make it loud.  Then thought no further.  Plus mobile browsers strip out loads of stuff incase you are on 3g for example.
[13:51] <MooDoo> anyone else just get reloagged back in the channel?
[13:51] <popey> nope
[13:51] <popey> only you
[13:51] <MooDoo> rats
[13:51] <davmor2> s/are/aren't
[13:52] <popey> 13:24:05 < oimon> i get the feeling that bbc allow get_iplayer is because people don't really talk about it
[13:53] <popey> they _did_ employ someone specifically to block it
[13:53] <popey> but I think they gave up
[13:53] <davmor2> popey: I thought that had more to do with the fact that it didn't check if you were in the uk more than anything else
[13:53] <popey> nope
[13:54] <popey> he was employed to put counter measures in
[13:54] <davmor2> popey: that's just daft then
[13:54] <davmor2> the bbc should of promoted it as a linux client and left it at that :D
[13:58] <JGJones> davmor2, sure I get that they strip out lots...you can't use iplayer app over 3G anyway! However is subtitles *really* bandwidth hungry? :) It's just a few lines of text showing on screen.
[13:58] <popey> i dont think its a case of stripping them out
[13:58] <popey> it's all about the workflow that gets video from the broadcast centre to the web
[13:58] <popey> and subtitles come from a different place
[13:59] <popey> I suspect it's not straightforward to merge the two at the cdn
[13:59] <JGJones> davmor2, finally, I don't know a single deaf person without a phone :) I've used a mobile since 1999 - although it was expensive for me as I used it for texting!
[14:00] <JGJones> back then, the search was on for a mobile that does vibrate for text alerts :)
[14:00] <JGJones> common complaint for iPhone for the deaf - the vibrate is too weak.
[14:00] <JGJones> different needs after all.
[14:05] <JGJones> popey - you're probably right...I'll like to know how BBC do their subtitles.
[14:06] <JGJones> At least I got an tablet...watching Desktop version isn't too painful on that compared to a mobile
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: you have a desktop.. ;)
[14:06] <popey> I dont think they do
[14:06] <popey> they farm it out
[14:07]  * popey wonders if ipad version does subtitles
[14:07] <JGJones> popey, nope it doesn't
[14:07] <JGJones> last I checked anyway.
[14:07] <JGJones> In fact even via the website you can't either - you get a H264 stream right? But without subtitles.
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: get_iplayer can get the subtitle streams as well
[14:08] <popey> ipad app just uses the h264 streams AIUI
[14:09] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, yeah brobostigon told me that...just been downloading a few shows now, much better than iPlayer Desktop
[14:09] <JGJones> pity the Terry Prachett show isn't subtitled. Pah.
[14:13] <popey> i have get_iplayer setup as a cron job
[14:13] <popey> it just runs hourly to grab the programmes I like
[14:13] <popey> 91G     ../media/TV
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: you must like a lot of programmes :)
[14:14] <popey> guess I should delete some stuff from there
[14:14] <popey> nah, not really
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: then why do you run it hourly? :)
[14:14] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/627316/
[14:14] <popey> so it grabs as soon as its ready
[14:14] <popey> rather than waiting until midnight
[14:21] <oimon> popey: what does your cron look like?
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Marsellus Wallace*
[14:22] <popey> lol
[14:22] <popey> 0 * * * * /home/alan/bin/download_programmes.sh >/dev/null 2>&1
[14:22] <popey> :D
[14:23] <oimon> meh
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> pastebinit < /home/alan/bin/download_programmes.sh
[14:23] <popey>  /home/alan/bin/get_iplayer --no-purge --vmode=flashhd,flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,iphone --pvr --flvstreamer=/home/alan/bin/flvstreamer --output=/srv/media/TV --subdir
[14:23] <oimon> where's the bit that gets the progs
[14:24] <popey> so lets suppose I want to record all occurrances of Doctor Who.
[14:24] <popey> I do this:-
[14:25] <popey> get_iplayer "Doctor Who" --pvr-add "DrWho"
[14:25] <popey> then when I run download_programmes.sh it uses --pvr to scan for new episodes and download them
[14:25] <popey> win
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> that's a nice feature actually
[14:25] <popey> yeah
[14:25] <popey> there is a GUI for it, but it's a bit ropey
[14:26] <oimon> oh i've used it differently
[14:26] <popey> and we don't need no stinking gui
[14:26] <popey> yeah, you can run it to just grab files directly
[14:26] <popey> the pvr way is nicer
[14:26] <popey> I never have to think about whether it will get doctor who, it just gets it
[14:26] <oimon> yes, nice
[14:26] <oimon> and it doesn't need a daemon
[14:26] <popey> yeah
[14:26] <oimon> i thought the pvr way req'd a daemon
[14:27] <popey> i think you can do it like that
[14:27] <popey> but this way is better
[14:27] <oimon> i never really read the manual tbh
[14:27] <oimon> i was in a rush
[14:27] <popey> although, what I should do is add a semaphore to the script
[14:27] <popey> so if it overruns it doesn't spawn another copy
[14:27] <oimon> and never returned to it to discover the goodness
[14:27] <popey> I did blog this btw
[14:27] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-boxee-and-get_iplayer-on-the-acer-aspire-revo/
[14:29]  * oimon clicks
[14:29] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:30] <brobostigon> afternoonings s-fox
[14:30] <s-fox> Hello brobostigon , how are you?
[14:31] <brobostigon> s-fox: nt bad, could be better. and you?
[14:31] <MooDoo> hello s-fox :)
[14:32] <s-fox> brobostigon,  I am okay thank you.  I will be happier when it is 18:00
[14:32] <s-fox> :)
[14:32] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo , how are you doing?
[14:32] <brobostigon> s-fox: :)
[14:33] <MooDoo> s-fox: very well thanks :D
[14:35] <s-fox> Great
[14:41] <MooDoo> s-fox: what you up to on this dull day?
[14:42] <s-fox> well,  i banned 189 forum accounts earlier.  currently doing some real life work - perl scripts
[14:42] <s-fox> what about you MooDoo ?
[14:45] <popey> JGJones: iplayer on ipad _does_ do subtitles
[14:48] <livingdaylight> hi
[14:49] <livingdaylight> Do the bamboo pens work on Ubuntu, or Linux for that matter?
[14:49] <oimon> anyone regularly use skype?
[14:49] <livingdaylight> oimon, on and off, why?
[14:49] <oimon> calling someone in russia, call quality is v bad
[14:50] <oimon> getting disconnections etc, wondering if it is skype issue or the far end bandwidth
[14:50] <oimon> i thought skype only req'd 8kbs
[14:50] <oimon> worked OK for 15 mins
[14:51] <livingdaylight> quality varies for sure... I use it mostly to IM, lol
[14:51] <oimon> some bright spark wanted to perform an important interview on it
[14:51] <s-fox> I use it to call co-workers in USA and Oz
[14:51] <oimon> not me...although any failure makes me look stupid
[14:52] <livingdaylight> I found the sound quality for the alternatives even worse though
[14:52] <livingdaylight> wengaphone and gizmo?
[14:53] <oimon> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/15/htc-pulls-a-180-now-says-gingerbreads-coming-to-desire/
[14:54] <gord> oimon, skype doesn't need much bandwidth, but like anything real time, is really affected by packet loss
[14:57] <livingdaylight> gord, what affects packet loss?
[14:57] <gord> bad lines
[14:57] <gord> long distance stuff
[14:57] <kaushal> Hi
[14:57] <oimon> cobwebs on the interwbs
[14:57] <daubers> microwaves
[14:57] <kaushal> How do i ignore grep command self-match in ps aux | grep squid ?
[14:57] <oimon> ps aux | grep squid | grep -v grep
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: what are you trying to do?
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: because grepping ps isn't usually the right solution :)
[14:58] <bigcalm> | grep -v grep
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> (check out pgrep)\
[15:01] <kaushal> How about ps aux | grep [s]quid ?
[15:02] <hoover> cheers all
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: would work, not recommended. Just use pgrep, that's what it's for.
[15:02] <kaushal> ok
[15:03] <kaushal> so if i waant to kill all the pid using pgrep ?
[15:03] <kaushal> is it pkill ?
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: use pkill :)
[15:03] <JGJones> popey, that's good news - I'll tell my Apple-loving friends in case they're not aware - probably not as they gave up long ago :) (I don't have any iDevices - so wondering when they're going to enable it for Honeycomb at least if not phones)
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: or just service squid stop (or invoke-rc.d squid stop)
[15:04] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[15:04] <kaushal> oimon: Thanks
[15:06] <popey> JGJones: this has worked for nearly a year
[15:09] <livingdaylight> JGJones, hi
[15:11] <ujjain> Hi, is it Ross's keys or Ross' keys?
[15:12] <MooDoo> ujjain: how about the keys belonging to ross ;)
[15:13] <JGJones> Does it work on the iPhone?
[15:13] <livingdaylight> http://askubuntu.com/questions/10861/does-the-wacom-bamboo-pen-touch-work-out-of-the-box
[15:13] <ujjain> MooDoo :(
[15:13] <JGJones> popey does it work on the iPhone?
[15:13] <ujjain> - I have no strong desire to replace the passwords manager of the browser, which is LastPass's raison d'être.
[15:13] <ujjain> Is this wrong?
[15:13] <MooDoo> ujjain: no i was just being silly sorry
[15:14] <MooDoo> i'm not sure about anyone else, but i'd use ross's keys
[15:14] <ujjain> MooDoo: hehe ^^
[15:14] <ujjain> it's either Ross's or Ross'
[15:14] <ujjain> but Rosskeys would still be pronounced Rosseskeys
[15:14] <oimon> i generally use Ross'
[15:14] <dutchie> ross's
 JGJones, hi
[15:14] <MooDoo> paul's keys
[15:15] <MooDoo> yeah i like ross's
[15:15] <JGJones> livingdaylight, hey...haven't got my sony laptop with me sorry, forgot to bring it!
[15:15] <ujjain> when does the s fall away?
[15:15] <dutchie> when it is a plural noun ending in s
[15:16] <ujjain> ahhh, bedankt
[15:16] <livingdaylight> JGJones, no worries. Just wondered whether you got my email... I'll probably want something fresher with warranty on it; curious nonetheless
[15:16] <JGJones> livingdaylight, I guessed you might after reading your email :)
[15:16] <ujjain> The dogs' tails.
[15:16] <bigcalm> If a JS library is loaded by a frameset, is that library then available to any frame loaded within the frameset?
[15:16] <ujjain> tnx!!!
[15:16] <JGJones> livingdaylight, but I'll still pass it on anyway
[15:17] <livingdaylight> JGJones, didn't mean to discourage you though; just sharing my recent forages into the world of Sony
[15:17] <X3N_> doubt it bigcalm
[15:17] <livingdaylight> JGJones, its my constant dilemma; get something cheap and cheerful as long as it works, or something shiny and new, hopefully a little future proof too
[15:18] <bigcalm> Not something I need, just checking if libs are being loaded several times for no reason
[15:19] <livingdaylight> JGJones, I think the warranty for peace of mind is a big one though. The recent purchase of the second hand HP on ebay that arrived broken was a big wake-up call
[15:19] <JGJones> livingdaylight, understandable :) I would tell you everything about the laptop such as any hardware issues anyway (like the HDD getting a SMART warning now which i've mentioned)
[15:21] <livingdaylight> JGJones, SMART warning?
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: hard disk mentioning to the OS that it's breaking
[15:21] <JGJones> SMART - HDD monitoring chip - tells you if it think it's about to die
[15:22] <livingdaylight> JGJones, I don't think the guy was dishonest. It was just unfortunate; I think what happened is the parcel got knocked around and damaged in transport
[15:22] <JGJones> My sony laptop would need a new HDD first.
[15:22] <JGJones> livingdaylight, yeah. I tend to warp it up in lots of bubblewrap.
[15:22] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, nice trick... the Titanic could've done with such technology :p
[15:23] <livingdaylight> JGJones, sata?
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: they got plenty of notice that the iceberg was breaking :P
[15:23] <JGJones> livingdaylight, Yeah should be.
[15:23] <JGJones> livingdaylight, as for Titanic, they did get warnings - it was a user error ;-)
[15:23] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, just not that it was coming, lol
[15:24] <livingdaylight> JGJones, they did? that's bad then
[15:24] <JGJones> The ship was meant to be "unsinkable" and the caption took it too literally.
[15:24] <JGJones> captain
[15:25] <MooDoo> JGJones: the titanic didn't sink it was her sister ship they swapped the signed around with #conspiracyrocks :D
[15:25] <JGJones> MooDoo, even so...the sister ship still had plenty of accidents :)
[15:26] <hamitron> wasn't it suposed to be unsinkable according to engineers design, but certain requirements were ignored to cut costs?
[15:26] <livingdaylight> how can a ship be unsinkable? what does that even mean?
[15:27] <JGJones> livingdaylight, they put in a hoover...if it start sinking, it'll suck up all the water from the sea, emptying it...thus it's not sinking...but they couldn't find a hoover bag big enough.
[15:27] <hamitron> well, I mean, it probably wouldn't have sunk
[15:27] <hamitron> would of still screwed it up pretty bad
[15:27] <hamitron> ;)
[15:28] <livingdaylight> talking of disastyers, a zeppelin blew up in flames just the other day in Germany, reminiscent of the Hindenberg disaster. Only the pilot died, as everyone else jumped off to safety
[15:28] <popey> JGJones: no
[15:28] <livingdaylight> JGJones, that's a lot of water to displace, lol
[15:28] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: it's common on small boats now - if the material used is buoyant itself, it doesn't matter how many holes you put in it it'll float
[15:29] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, such boats exist now? interesting....
[15:29] <hamitron> unless you have John Prescott in it ofc
[15:29] <hamitron> ;/
[15:30] <JGJones> popey, ta...had asked...they was using iPhones not iPads (not many have one, and didn't want thinking it's useless for vidoes without subtitles....so I can let them know anyway)
[15:30] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: well, such dinghies do :)
[15:30] <hamitron> shouldn't a wood boat float?
[15:30] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, wooden ships of yesteryear strictly speaking would come in that category; but, the problem there was boats splintering into a thousand pieces, because of storms, etc
[15:30] <livingdaylight> hamitron, my point
[15:30] <oimon> i built a wooden car but it wooden go
[15:30] <popey> JGJones: it says it doesnt work in the help
[15:31] <livingdaylight> oimon, oink oink
[15:31] <popey> JGJones: and says they're looking at it, and that there's signed programmes available
[15:31] <JGJones> popey the help say that, but it does work anyway? Probably just saying that it's not reliable I assume?
[15:32] <popey> no, the help says it, and its true
[15:32] <popey> subtitles are not available on a streamed h264 file
[15:32] <popey> does work on ipad though
[15:32] <JGJones> I see...doesn't iPad use streamed h264 too?
[15:32] <popey> well, there's two options
[15:33] <popey> ipad native app, and iplayer in safari
[15:33] <gord> huuh
[15:33] <gord> if the iplayer works in safari, why don't they just expand that to everyone
[15:34] <JGJones> ah so the iPlayer app shows subtitles, and it's only available for iPad?
[15:34] <popey> no
[15:34] <popey> but I cant test it here at work
[15:34] <popey> US proxy
[15:34] <gord> oh right no, i know, firefox wouldn't support h264
[15:35] <JGJones> heh ok thanks for testing anyway - I'm just getting the info so that I can mail it to deaf-uk-tech
[15:36] <popey> I'd pass on 1st hand info, rather than 2nd hand ☺
[15:36] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/
[15:36] <popey> try that?
[15:37] <popey> ah, that will use flash on a pc
[15:37] <popey> what if you fake the browser agent ☺
[15:37] <JGJones> popey I know but I don't have an iPad so I'm reduced to asking and I'll ensure all blames go to you ;)
[15:38] <JGJones> gord - use Chrome - that does play h.264 (Google haven't dropped it yet)
[15:38] <popey> JGJones: it will detect the browser and serve up flash
[15:38] <JGJones> popey, looking at it on tablet...see what it does...
[15:39] <popey> yeah, I have my ipad using 3g over my iphone
[15:39] <popey> to get uk IP
[15:39] <popey> slooow
[15:39] <gord> JGJones, right, thats not what i was saying, i was wondering why the bbc don't just stream out through html5 rather than flash. the reason being that firefox wouldn't support it
[15:39] <popey> rubbish 3g here
[15:39] <JGJones> gord they could always use WebM ;-) there's a much larger % of browsers that support it after all.
[15:39] <gord> i get 600kb/s 3g or so, more than my home connection, way more :(
[15:40]  * hamitron jeaous
[15:40] <hamitron> jealous
[15:40] <hamitron> :/
[15:40] <gord> used to be spotty but they built a brand new huuuge radio tower, now it works well :)
[15:41] <hamitron> I'm just hoping the digital tv signal boost actually works
[15:41] <hamitron> so my parents can get tv
[15:41] <hamitron> otherwise they will be wanting me to download tv on my internet connection
[15:42] <hamitron> :/
[15:42] <hamitron> even thought technically, it is "our" connection ;)
[15:42] <hamitron> it is really mine ofc
[15:43] <JGJones> popey hey...bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen does work as long as I use Browser (no others like Dolphin HD)
[15:43] <JGJones> user agent is set to Tablet, and it show subtitles...
[15:43] <hamitron> how long will it take for a 30 min program to buffer on a 300kbit connection?
[15:44] <JGJones> browser messup would be down to Honeycomb being buggy like Google say (you can't use Flash on 3rd party browsrs like Opera Mobile due to permissions)
[15:44] <hamitron> :/
[15:52] <siya> Google isn't really helping on this one. SCP via Nautilus, please note that SFTP doesn't work
[15:53] <siya> ESXi host doesn't like SFTP
[15:53] <siya> SCP from command line works fine though
[15:53] <siya> Best GUI SCP client?
[15:56] <JGJones> siya, I've used Filezilla for SCP (this was quite a long time ago so no idea if anything better!)
[15:57] <Azelphur> I've always used nautilus sftp:// and never had issues
[16:15] <diplo> JGJones, I don't think FileZilla does scp just SFTP
[16:15] <diplo> I had to use WinSCP to connect to my ESXi host
[16:15] <diplo> Couldn't get FileZilla to connect
[17:18] <em> hi how's it going
[17:18] <popey> quietly
[17:20] <s-fox> shhhh ;)
[17:20] <s-fox> You'll wake people up. Hehe
[17:24] <bigcalm> popey: replacing an hdd with ssd - just use dd and everything will work fine, or is there more to it?
[17:24] <MooDoo> s-fox: where what?   why you wake me up?
[17:27] <popey> bigcalm: I did a clean install
[17:27] <bigcalm> Ah
[17:30] <gord> soo.. i may have written a small one line patch that replaces all the icons in unity with cats. it may be the greatest thing i ever did
[17:30] <gord> especially the gwibber lens
[17:32] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> *shudder* gwibber
[17:50] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Nothing wrong with gwibber,  and hopefully oneirics will be even better if the canonical devs get their way :D
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: has it stopped crashing yet?
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: and does it work on multiple machines at the same time yet?
[17:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yes I have it running on 5 machines and a vm
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: It crashes for me on natty, and before that it never stayed synced properly across different machines
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> so I gave up
[17:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I must just be lucky I've only had it crash once
[17:52] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: also the gwibber lens rocks
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I might be unlucky and poke it in the wrong places
[18:02] <s-fox> ttfn
[18:05] <ali1234> "nothing wrong with gwibber" lol
[18:05] <ali1234> except for, well, everything
[18:20] <jacobw> this is a download from the bbc
[18:21] <davmor2> ali1234: it works fine for me, it isn't as live as some user like and that fine but I don't get time to look at it constantly so it suits me fine :D
[19:22] <GalahadForce> Do any of you guys run nvidia cards?
[19:23] <hamitron> what kind?
[19:23] <Azelphur> of course :p
[19:23] <GalahadForce> i need some help im in fail safe mode
[19:23] <GalahadForce> it boots out of range
[19:23] <GalahadForce> i have a nvidia 5200fk
[19:23] <GalahadForce> fx*
[19:24] <GalahadForce> i did something real stupid
[19:24] <GalahadForce> i stopped gdm
[19:24] <GalahadForce> it never started again
[19:24] <GalahadForce> well
[19:24] <GalahadForce> actually im not sure
[19:24] <GalahadForce> what it is doing im a noob to xorg
[19:25] <GalahadForce> i finally figured out i could boot it in fail safe mode
[19:25] <GalahadForce> this morning after reading all night
[19:26] <GalahadForce> any ideas on how to make it boot again normally would be appreciated
[19:31] <AlanBell> GalahadForce: so did you create an xorg.conf file or something?
[19:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] OggCamp banners - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/06/15/oggcamp-banners/
[19:49] <stuphi> Anybody fancy helping me out?
[19:50] <stuphi> if so pleas go to http://better-house.co.uk and tell me what you see. Trying to confirm I have set up some DNS records correctly.
[19:51] <popey> i see a wordpress blog stuphi
[19:51] <stuphi> Cool. Thanks Popey!
[19:51] <popey> like the mapnik video
[19:52] <stuphi> Thanks
[20:39] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:40]  * popey hugs Myrtti
[20:41]  * Myrtti hugs back tightly
[21:38] <daubers> Evening
[21:58] <AlanBell> evening
[21:59] <brobostigon> evening AlanBell :)
[21:59] <jacobw> evening
[22:02]  * czajkowski hugs Myrtti hope things are ok
[22:23] <gord> czajkowski, i see you are going to dublin as i am leaving, shame :)
[23:16] <brobostigon> good night eveyone, sleep well.
[23:17] <popey> nn
[23:17] <brobostigon> night popey o/


[08:17]  * evilvish voodoo-summons IdleOne
[08:17] <bazhang> evilvish, you mean gpc
[08:18] <rww> Google PC
[08:19] <rww> anyways, he's been idle 4 hours. Anything us mere mortals can help with?
[08:20] <evilvish> nah.. nothing important requiring the Immortal rww ;)
[08:21] <evilvish> just wanted to update him regarding an issue had had discussed with him earlier..
[08:25] <evilvish> bazhang: thx.
[14:33] <gpc> evilvish: Thanks for the update. Glad it is sorted now.