[00:00] <plastikman> build another machine, then restore the backup
[00:00] <plastikman> or deploy a VM on your current machine and test it there
[00:01] <A|ien-> Ah! that's great because I don't have any spare machine to test it on
[00:12] <A|ien-> another quick question, which type of drive is better to use as a backup source? for longevity and reliability?
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> A|ien-: That's a great question. There are "backup drives" out there that are made specifically for it, but the're just slow spinning hard drives. Newer solid state and NVMe drives are pretty good too, but too much reading/writing/heat buildup can degrade them.
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> A|ien-: You can get refurbished HDDs that have been pulled from datacenters. The only catch is that they're known to be noisy, but they have probably a decade of life left in them.
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> A|ien-: Most are available on Amazon. Usually with high storage capacity for cheap.
[00:15] <A|ien-> Brilliant!
[00:16] <A|ien-> does it need to be 5400 or 7200 RPM?
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> For backup, it doesn't matter, but you'll find they're usually on the slower end since you're not typically using them for data access consistently.
[00:17] <A|ien-> Got it, and are there any good practice to observe whilst storing them safely?
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> Keep 'em dry, and preferably in a good case.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> Heat = bad.
[00:17] <A|ien-> anti-static bag?
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> If they're in a good external case, anti-static doesn't matter, but if you're extra precautious it couldn't hurt.
[00:19] <A|ien-> Sweet! and do we have to fire them up every now and again or it doesn't matter?
[00:19] <Eickmeyer> Probably doesn't matter if the hard drive is robust enough.
[00:20] <A|ien-> one last question, any recommended brands?
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> Hitachi, but the name they use for their datacenter brands escapes me at the moment.
[00:21] <Eickmeyer> I want to say HBX but let me confirm.
[00:21] <A|ien-> much appreciated!
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> A|ien-: Western Digital (WD) is excellent, too.
[00:23] <Eickmeyer> A|ien-: HGST is the one I was looking for.
[00:23] <A|ien-> Thank you!
[00:23] <Eickmeyer> A|ien-: YW
[00:25] <A|ien-> Backup says - Creating your first backup -- this might take a while
[00:25] <A|ien-> does this mean I can make incremental backups after this?
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> A|ien-: Yes.
[00:31] <A|ien-> that's Amazing!
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> :D
[00:34] <A|ien-> do you reckon I should upgrade to the latest Ubuntu? or it doesn't make much difference?
[00:56] <imdumb> Hello world
[01:05] <mek10> Hey all. I am having a hard drive issue... when I boot up my machine, it goes into grub rescue mode and says "unknown filesystem". I tried to `ls` each of the top level drives (hd0, hd1, hd2) and no matter which I do, they all say "unknown filesystem".
[01:05] <mek10> is my harddrive just dead?
[01:20] <guiverc> mek10, I'd boot a live system and explore your drive health (SMART)... Contrast current state with prior state (assuming you watch your drive health), and if it looks okay, then I'd likely explore if file-system checks will help
[02:32] <Elladan> Hi, I need to revert a package in the ubuntu graphics-drivers PPA back to the one in the core repos.
[02:33] <Elladan> However, when I do this, it either A) tells me it wants to uninstall more or less my entire desktop environment or B) just does nothing.
[02:34] <jack> we now know you are breaking peoples shit - i have screenshots as well as logs.... ubuntu as long as i survive is done -- you should be a shamed.. you started well -- now -- you are satanists shit..    Their site said to come here for support. LOL.
[03:28] <glabifrons> Baffling why an Android emulator would be trying to access the hardware's Secure Boot in the first place. If this wasn't Canonical, I'd think it was super sketchy.
[03:55] <kucklehead> Who's good at diagnosing bugs and errors?
[03:56] <rbox> !ask
[03:58] <kucklehead> Oh okay here then: http://ix.io/4F4A cause I have no idea how to ask what is going on inside my journal log
[04:02] <matsaman> kucklehead: what is it you're having trouble accomplishing
[04:07] <kucklehead> matsaman, zfs on root on 22.04. I have these datasets: http://ix.io/4F4D I installed zfsutils-linux and zfs-dkms. I'm trying to get my gdm3 to pop up and not have a black screen
[04:11] <kucklehead> It's hard to figure out what the issue is. I don't know if it is being picky with the /home dataset which is causing the Desktop,Download,Video, etc folders not show up. Or do I have to mask a couple services and just use zfs-import-cache and zfs.target. Ive gotten zfs to work on Archlinux and I got it to somewhat work on ubuntu but I have to disable gdm3 and log into the shell
[04:14] <kucklehead> Or can it be the uneeded packages. Here are the packages by the way: http://ix.io/4F4G I copied the system that was installed on another ssd onto another one and just wrapped it up with zfs
[04:31] <kucklehead> I am wantinng gnome and not xorg
[04:34] <LuckyMan> is there a way to make the computer auto-start at a certain hour?
[04:36] <rbox> search for 'rtc wake'
[04:47] <LuckyMan> rbox thanks
[06:25] <uthman> hello
[06:33] <ikn0wn0thing> EXIT
[07:14] <rikkerd22> https://paste.ubuntuhttps://paste.ubuntu.com.com
[07:33] <Terminal-V> Hi. I am using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. Does anyone know if GNOME's text editor can be made to look like the text editor, Pluma?
[07:43] <toddc> Terminal-V: https://linuxways.net/ubuntu/how-to-install-pluma-text-editor-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts/
[07:44] <Reventlov> hey
[07:45] <Reventlov> So I'm trying to prevent networkmanager from configuring some apipa addresses and failing to do so. NetworkManager is configured through netplan, which has a "link-local: [ ipv6 ]" section, but it's still getting some autoconfigured ipv4 addresse
[07:46] <Reventlov> and, indeed, if I do a sudo nmcli connection show netplan-eth1|grep ipv4.method, I get ipv4.method:                            link-local
[07:46] <Reventlov> so, is that a bug in the renderer of netplan ?
[07:46] <Terminal-V> toddc thanks, but I don't want Pluma.
[07:51] <Terminal-V> It cannot be done. Thanks.
[07:52] <Reventlov> hmm, it seems that maybe I can get through using networkmanager: passthrough: […]
[12:08] <ueberall> Hi. Can someone point me to an explanation why Canonical made available kernel 6.2 instead of kernel 6.1 (LTS) as the current "Jammy HWE kernel"? Thanks!
[12:19] <ravage> because it is the kernel available in 23.04
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:38] <kylen> Hello BluesKaj
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hi kylen
[13:07] <Jackneill_> hey.
[13:08] <Jackneill_> what is the preferred way/app to cast to tv local video/music files?
[13:13] <leftyfb> Jackneill_: VLC
[13:14] <ravage> or an HDMI cable
[13:17] <Jackneill_> the option seems to be playback menu -> renderer. i have "scanning..." but the scanning is never finished. (chromium cast to lg smart tv works)
[13:19] <amir123> Hello, Ubuntu users!
[13:19] <leftyfb> Jackneill_: you can try asking in #videolan
[13:20] <Jackneill_> thank you
[13:23] <amir123> q
[13:57] <xubuntu> hi
[13:58] <xubuntu> !terminal
[13:58] <leftyfb> xubuntu: hi, what can we help you with?
[13:59] <xubuntu> im just browsing
[14:24] <amir123> Hello, ubuntu users!
[15:18] <A|ien-> Hello
[15:19] <A|ien-> wondering how would I upgrade Oracle VM from 6 to 7 in 20.04?
[15:19] <oerheks> i would not, just get a fresh vm?
[15:19] <A|ien-> Oh I mean how would I upgrade the software?
[15:20] <A|ien-> sorry not the VMs, yeah I can create new VMs
[15:20] <oerheks> if you want to upgrade that vm, see the oracle docs?
[15:20] <A|ien-> Can't figure out how to upgrade
[15:20] <oerheks> do-release-upgrade is a tool only for ubuntu,
[15:21] <oerheks> not even sure it is even possible to upgrade that vm from 6 to 7 ..
[15:22] <A|ien-> lol I think I need to rephrase
[15:22] <A|ien-> can I upgrade VB? :D
[15:22] <A|ien-> as in the software
[15:23] <oerheks> upgrade virtual box itself?
[15:23] <A|ien-> Yes please
[15:24] <oerheks> focal gives the same as jammy lts, gives 6.1
[15:25] <oerheks> next lunar 7.0 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox
[15:26] <oerheks> and no, there is no PPA for virtualbox
[15:27] <A|ien-> oerheks: thanks
[16:08] <topcat001> Jackneill_: I love Plex with a Chromecast or using the TV's app. Very reliable and at least on the CC almost everything is hardware decoded so 0% cpu usage on the server.
[16:09] <topcat001> Indeed my server is a 12yr old PC (core 2 quad) :)
[16:28] <webchat4> Hi
[16:29] <webchat4> need help
[16:29] <leftyfb> !ask | webchat4
[16:30] <webchat4> how to forget my authentication password ,  i forgeted the password
[16:31] <leftyfb> webchat4: https://itsfoss.com/how-to-hack-ubuntu-password/
[16:32] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[16:33] <leftyfb> oerheks: that article hasn't been touched in almost 10 years
[16:34] <oerheks> yes, i noticed..
[16:34] <oerheks> recovery method is the easiest way.,
[16:43] <_8lurry> is it possible to cross-compile embedded python on ubuntu (possibly with mingw-w64)? it's probably not a question of "possibility" rather a question if availability of related linkers/packages?
[16:47] <oerheks> mingw-w64 is in our repos, but i find this; https://github.com/asanoic/lib-python-mingw64
[16:48] <oerheks> MinGW-w64  C/C++ compiler  works with all Python versions up to 3.4
[16:48] <_8lurry> mingw-w64 from ubuntu repo doesn't say anything about the python-embed (linker)
[16:48] <oerheks> i have no example for ubuntu, maybe someone else here?
[17:33] <ralhumai> Hello?
[17:33] <alghamdf> hi !!!
[17:33] <ralhumai> Hwllo?
[17:33] <alghamdf> :3
[17:41] <oerheks> :-)
[17:50] <oehman> whenever is ubuntu gonnna get killed?
[17:53] <leftyfb> oehman: trolling is offtopic here. Please stick to support questions
[17:56] <oehman> is the topc to sat stick to ubuntu
[17:57] <leftyfb> oehman: please take it elsewhere
[17:57] <oehman> yes please
[17:58] <hggdh> oehman: please, behave
[17:58] <oehman> whenever ubuntu gonna get killed on ubuntu 22.04 on nvidia
[18:01] <Jackneill_> topcat001, thanks for the suggstion
[18:05] <topcat001> Jackneill_: yw
[18:12] <Beladona> yt-dlp doesn't work with this. Is anyone able to get all videos from this page? https://www.acquisition.com/training/offers
[18:13] <oerheks> Beladona, look in the source of that page?
[18:13] <oerheks> not really an ubuntu issue though
[18:15] <oerheks> also, crossposting is not nice
[18:20] <Beladona> oehman it is essential if one place does works
[18:21] <oerheks> focus on#debian
[18:22] <Beladona> ok
[18:22] <leftyfb> Beladona: if you're running Debian, then you should be asking for support in #debian. You also asked for help in #linux to which people responded to you
[20:06] <oerheks> o /clear
[20:08] <YoGauM> hello !
[20:17] <cluelessperson> I can't get pcscd to work on ubuntu
[20:17] <cluelessperson> I get this error when I restart it
[20:17] <cluelessperson> gsd-smartcard[10849]: Got potentially spurious smartcard event error: Failed to wait for slot event, error: 5.
[20:22] <oehman> (QUIT
[20:45] <cluelessperson> I can't access my servers now
[20:48] <cluelessperson> reinstalling pcscd and scdaemon
[20:49] <cluelessperson> seems to work. hm
[21:13] <Anadon> Hello all, I recently started receiving the following (`The repository 'http://ddebs.ubuntu.com lunar-security Release' does not have a Release file.`)and am wondering how to fix the repo list files.
[21:16] <jhutchins> Anadon: That's not something you do, it's up to the maintainers.  Be patient.
[21:17] <Anadon> Ah, just an upstream thing?
[21:19] <jhutchins> Anadon: I'd say a repo maintainer thing.  Not exactly upstream, it's a the level just one step "up" from the user.
[21:19] <jhutchins> Anadon: Running a repo is fun and entertaining, you should try it!
[21:20] <Anadon> I tried a few packages 7 years ago, and it takes more time than I can justify just yet.  Life just takes too much out of me.
[21:21] <jhutchins> Anadon: Actually, I don't see a security repo on that server anyway.  Security updates are usually on a seperate mirror.
[21:22] <Anadon> I say this, but I am looking to make a base environment to share across all my systems with nix...
[21:22] <jhutchins> kicstart, ansible, preseed...
[21:22] <Anadon> Strange.  I didn't add that file.
[21:24] <Anadon> Those tools would fit if I were a proper sysadmin.  I'm in software engineering so can't work from that perspective.  Don't get me wrong, those are the right tools for managing company wide.  Not my working context.
[21:29] <TuxBlackEdo> I am trying to have an cloud-init install script that uses the very first drive on the machine to install ubuntu, unfortunately "storage: layout: name: direct" will use the largest drive on the machine, I am trying to match the very first drive the machine has, so I tried "match: path: /dev/sda" which works great but i would like to have the same cloud-init file for machines with nvme drives, how do i match either /dev/sda OR /dev/nvme0n1 whichever
[21:29] <TuxBlackEdo> one it sees?
[21:35] <jhutchins> Anadon: Actually, I don't see a security repo on that server anyway.  Security updates are usually on a seperate mirror.
[23:15] <MannyLNJ> Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Need help w/ MacBook Pro-Wifi not working I installed install broadcom-sta-dkms , rebooted and started following the guide at https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-22-04-connect-to-wifi-from-command-line but immediately I noticed an issue because the output only shows my wired connector All assistance is appreciated
[23:18] <toddc> MannyLNJ:  try this guide for the best driver for your broadcom card https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[23:18] <jeremy31> MannyLNJ: what URL from terminal for> lspci -nnk |grep -iA3 net|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:20] <MannyLNJ> @jeremy31, https://termbin.com/ncdw
[23:22] <MannyLNJ> @jeremy31, I have two wireless adapters the build in one and a USB adaper. The USB is showing as  wlx00198611613b in /sys/class/net
[23:23] <genii> !bcm
[23:23] <genii> Hm, I think that's only for those 43-whatever series
[23:24] <genii> Broadcom adapters are notoriously problemmatic under linux
[23:24] <MannyLNJ> @genii, thats good because the card is a BCM4331
[23:26] <MannyLNJ> We have success. Thank you @toddc Now to see if it survives a reboot
[23:28] <jeremy31> MannyLNJ: install firmware-b43-installer and remove bcmwl-kernel-source
[23:30] <MannyLNJ> And it survived a reboot. Next steps it to get it to connect to two separate wifi networks and bridge them but first food
[23:35] <genii> It has two wifi adapters in it?
[23:36] <jeremy31> genii: one is USB
[23:38] <genii> Ah, ok
[23:38] <genii> Possible to do then :)


[00:31] <mvdk> I have a packaging of JBIG-KIT on my PPA.  I wish to submit it for inclusion, solving #594250.  How do I do it?
[00:33] <mvdk> Are there any MOTU in the house?
[00:39] <mvdk> Are there any MOTUs here?
[00:41] <RAOF> Yes.  Some might be a bit busy :)
[00:41] <mvdk> Did any of them see my question, or is it fair to suppose I should ask in an hour's time?
[00:42] <RAOF> The first question they'll likely ask is: can this be submitted to Debian?  That'll get it into Ubuntu, and also be useful for a bunch of other people.
[00:42] <mvdk> Not before precise's feature freeze closes
[00:43] <achiang> can someone explain gpg keys to a dummy? i normally sign packages with @foo.com, but now, i want to make an upload with @bar.com. i have both @foo.com and @bar.com as uids on my private key but... not sure how to actually sign as @bar.com
[00:43] <achiang> i used @bar.com in debian/changelog
[00:43] <RAOF> achiang: Then you're signing as @bar.com
[00:43] <mvdk> Reason being that last patent it's subject to is a US patent that expires on 4/4/2012
[00:44] <RAOF> Hm.  Debian's patent policy is roughly the same as Ubuntu's - has it been rejected from Debian before?
[00:44] <mvdk> About 3 years ago
[00:44] <achiang> RAOF: hm, but... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/809232/
[00:44] <mvdk> The final patent is rather dubious, but it's US only, anyway
[00:44] <broder> mvdk: if it's still protected by a patent, that seems like it would be a problem for Ubuntu as well
[00:45] <mvdk> So all the patents have expired in the UK, which is where Canonical is
[00:45] <psusi> achiang, debbuild signs with whatever key has the id listed in the changelog
[00:46] <psusi> achiang, so as long as the new address is listed on your key, using that address in the changelog should be all you need to do
[00:46] <achiang> psusi: maybe i don't actually have a key for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>perhaps i only added @bar.com as a uid?
[00:46] <achiang> psusi: there's a pastebin above with my error
[00:47] <psusi> achiang, does gpg -K show that address?
[00:48] <achiang> psusi: ah, i figured out my issue... i used a debian/changelog line of:  -- Alex Chiang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:33:45 +0000
[00:48] <RAOF> mvdk: Ubuntu is also distributed from US servers
[00:48] <achiang> psusi: but in reality, what is in my key is Alexander Chiang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:48] <achiang> psusi: i didn't realize it was going to match on the entire string, not just the actual email address
[00:48] <psusi> achiang, ahh, yea
[00:48] <RAOF> It matches on full string *and* comment.
[00:49]  * psusi finally started using his @ubuntu.com email recently
[00:49] <RAOF> So if you've got, for example, a comment of RAOF then you need to sign as Christopher James Halse Rogers (RAOF<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:49] <achiang> RAOF: yep, got it now.
[00:49] <achiang> is that a gpg thing or a debuild thing (the matching)
[00:49] <RAOF> Which is why my GPG keys no longer have a comment of RAOF :)
[00:50] <mvdk> RAOF: So what I was hoping for was to include it in the pre-release so it could be included in Precise when it is released
[00:50] <mvdk> RAOF: It's actually a pretty big thing for hylafax - yeah, including patents in things that are actually in common circulation is kind of nasty :(
[00:51] <RAOF> mvdk: We need to care about it from the time it hits the archive - after all, we're distributing it as soon as it hits archive.ubuntu.com.
[00:51] <RAOF> mvdk: To what extent is this patent enforced?  Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatentPolicy ?
[00:51] <RAOF> Yes, software patents generally suck.
[00:52] <mvdk> Practically not enforced any more
[00:52] <mvdk> Mitsubishi is the owner of the patent in question
[00:53] <RAOF> And about to expire…
[00:53] <mvdk> Yep
[00:53] <mvdk> And it's the last one of about 25
[00:54] <RAOF> So, I've not been following the recent discussions about new-package-uploads on the MOTU lists; I *think* the current correct procedure is still to upload to REVU.  You might also want to attach your source package to the bug in question, and subscribe (not assign!) ubuntu-sponsors.  That'll get it on the sponsorship queue.
[00:55] <mvdk> See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/jbigkit/patents/
[00:55] <mvdk> OK, I'll google for REVU
[00:55] <mvdk> Thanks
[00:58] <broder> i still don't understand why uploading to debian isn't an option. it's possible to get exceptions to feature freeze, and for universe they tend to be handed out pretty liberally
[00:58] <RAOF> Aha! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/ says that it's deprecated, and contains a link to the current process https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[00:59] <mvdk> Ah, so I need to speak to "the" MOTU
[00:59] <mvdk> I'm guessing there is in fact more than one...
[01:01] <mvdk> broder: libtiff isn't universe, and I would submit a one-liner in the control for it
[01:01] <mvdk> Add a depends for libjbig-dev
[01:02] <mvdk> Build-depends, rather
[01:02] <mvdk> OK, so I should attempt debian first, no probs
[01:04] <RAOF> Yeah.  There are more people who can upload to Debian than who can upload to Ubuntu (as a goodly number of Ubuntu developers are also Debian developers, but not visa-versa).
[01:07] <mvdk> RAOF: broder states that exceptions are sometimes given.  Is it likely that an exception would be given for a Build-Depends on libtiff?
[01:08] <broder> mvdk: are you saying that your thing needs to build-dep on libtiff?
[01:08] <RAOF> broder was talking about feature-freeze exceptions; it's reasonably easy to get a new package into Universe after feature-freeze, because that's quite safe.
[01:08] <mvdk> In order for libtiff to use libjbig, there needs to be a build-dep on libtiff, yes
[01:09] <RAOF> But if you need to add a build-depends on this new package to libtiff, that's different.  It needs libjbig to be in the archive and have a main-inclusion-report done for it (because libtiff is in main it can only build-depend on things in main).
[01:09] <mvdk> Ah
[01:09] <mvdk> Ouch
[01:10] <mvdk> So I should make a tiff-jbig source package that has that one-liner, that is a virtual for all the main package parts?
[01:10] <mvdk> Sorry, is a provides for all the main package parts
[01:11] <RAOF> That would potentially be one way to have jbig support in libtiff without getting jbig in main, yes.
[01:11] <RAOF> Unfortunately, due to limitations of dpkg, that'll only work if nothing has a versioned dependency relationship on libtiff. [Ie: declares Depends: libtiff (>= someversion)]
[01:12] <mvdk> Yuck
[01:12] <psusi> RAOF, glib timeouts are called without gdk lock, so you need to call gdk_threads_enter() before doing any gtk stuff right?
[01:12] <mvdk> So it's more like "Sit in the corner and cry" :(
[01:13] <RAOF> psusi: That sounds right.
[01:13] <psusi> damn...
[01:13] <RAOF> mvdk: It'd still be possible to get that happening, but it's tight.  What is jbig support, and how much do we need it?
[01:14] <mvdk> Several printers are useless without it
[01:14] <mvdk> In particular, a heap of Samsung & Lexmark printers are useless - all the ones with splix support
[01:14] <RAOF> That sounds like something we want to have, then.
[01:15] <mvdk> They don't depend on libtiff support, though
[01:15] <mvdk> hylafax depends on libtiff support
[01:15] <psusi> RAOF, is there a sigc or gtkmm template somewhere you can use to wrap a sigc::mem_fun in a gdk_enter_threads so you can pass it to Glib::SignalTimeout::connect without writing your own function to do so? ;)
[01:16] <RAOF> Is there a bug for the fact that we lack support for those printers?
[01:16] <RAOF> psusi: Dunno; I'm not familiar with gtkmm.  If I want to write something in a high-level language I'll use a high-level language :P
[01:16] <psusi> hehe...
[01:16] <mvdk> Yeah, with wontfix, I think
[01:17] <RAOF> Is it only the fax functionality that's broken?
[01:17] <psusi> you would think that gtk would have its own timeout wrapper that made sure to grab the lock
[01:18] <mvdk> hylafax won't be able to use JBIG if libtiff doesn't get built without libjbig
[01:18] <mvdk> splix (the printers) won't work if libjbig doesn't get built
[01:18] <mvdk> splix is a universe package, though
[01:19] <mvdk> splix is not a universe package, I didn't realise, sorry
[01:20] <RAOF> mvdk: If you can hunt down that bug, this sounds like something that should be fixable now.  Hardware support is generally a good reason for a MIR :)
[01:20] <mvdk> But the ubuntu maintainer has decided to add the libjbig as a statically linked bit of source in his own package :P
[01:20] <mvdk> As of about 2 weeks ago
[01:21] <RAOF> Urgh, really?
[01:21] <mvdk> Yep, nasty hey?
[01:21] <RAOF> Hm, so he has.
[01:22] <micahg> RAOF: mvdk: policy around REVU is if you have someone to REVU it and it's going straight into Ubuntu, that's the place, otherwise, try to get into Debian through debexpo
[01:23] <RAOF> mvdk: So, I think that's actually a mistake on his part, and we should do the work to get your proper libjbig package into main.
[01:23] <mvdk> OK, no probs.  Do you have the PPA I set up?
[01:24] <mvdk> That's the package I actually intend to attempt to submit
[01:24] <RAOF> I don't, no.  Is the package lintian-clean?
[01:25] <mvdk> Yes, but the symlinks aren't properly set up.  I haven't quite figured out libtool. (That is, lintian doesn't actually check that the build scripts do sensible things)
[01:26] <mvdk> Only the libjbig-dev does symlinks (That is, libjbig-dev has libjbig.so -> libjbig.so.0, but both libjbig.so.0 and libjbig.so.0.0 are real files)
[01:26] <RAOF> Huh.
[01:27] <mvdk> I think libjbig.so.0 ought to be a symlink to libjbig.so.0.0
[01:27] <mvdk> It doesn't actually cause it to fail, but it seems silly
[01:28] <RAOF> That's the way it generally should be.
[01:28] <RAOF> Does libjbig do ABI stability?  An SONAME of .0 is sometimes suspicious. :)
[01:29] <mvdk> libjbig has been stable for the last 4 years
[01:29] <mvdk> That is to say, the author hasn't made any releases - and why would he, the library is only 3 files containing about 2K lines...
[01:30] <mvdk> +3 headers
[01:31] <mvdk> And the author has never released them as so's
[01:31] <mvdk> His build script made .a's...
[01:31] <mvdk> So the part about making it into a .so was my part
[01:32] <RAOF> Ah.  Joy!
[01:33] <mvdk> Yeah, hence my looking into what I need to do to make libtool work...
[01:34] <RAOF> I found http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#id292165 an excellent reference for general library packaging things.
[01:36] <mvdk> I think I found what my issue is
[01:36] <mvdk> I said install -s -m ...
[01:36] <mvdk> But I should only have said that for the main file
[01:37] <mvdk> So I need install -s -m ... *.*.* but just install -m ... .so .so.[^.]*
[01:40] <RAOF> I generally use the magic of autofoo, which tends to get it right.
[02:17] <mvdk> RAOF: I got that working.  Lintian has some more output: It doesn't like some binaries not having man pages.  I guess I ought to write them, right?
[02:17] <RAOF> Hm.  Why does the package have binaries at all?  Are they demos or something?
[02:19] <mvdk> It seems the author had some other file formats that were supported.  The demo directories seem to have some weird stuff.  In any case, they allow conversion from pbm to a raw jbig stream (if you can think of a reason to want to do that)
[02:19] <mvdk> And vice-versa
[02:20] <RAOF> That doesn't sound awesomely useful.  Feel free to simply not ship those.
[02:21] <mvdk> I put them in jbigkit-bin, which wouldn't need to be a main package
[02:21] <mvdk> So I have 3 packages from the source at the moment: libjbig, libjbig-dev & jbigkit-bin
[02:22] <mvdk> The libjbig & libjbig-dev would need to be in main
[02:22] <RAOF> That sounds roughly right (I presume it's actually libjbig0)
[02:22] <mvdk> Yes, it is, sorry
[02:24] <mvdk> It wants me to fill in minimum versions for libc-dev & gcc.  Is there a good minimum to use?
[02:24] <mvdk> The build worked on lucid, I'm thinking I should use its version numbers
[02:30] <mvdk> Any idea what a reasonable minimum for libc-dev is? I put >= 4.4 for gcc...
[02:33] <RAOF> I think the actual problem is that you don't actually _need_ a Depends on libc-dev and gcc.
[02:34] <RAOF> They're assumed to be provided by the build environment, so you only need to specify an explicit dependency if you need a specific version - hence the warning.
[02:34] <mvdk> Oh, very classy.  I wonder why the new-package scripts gave me it for free?
[02:35] <RAOF> Dunno.
[02:46] <mvdk> RAOF: I just packaged a jbigkit-2.0-6 for precise that has everything but the manpages fixed
[06:45] <mvdk> RAOF: Thanks for all your help.  I've posted the package on mentors.debian.net.  Hopefully I can find someone to sponsor it...
[07:18] <ricotz> siretart, hello, could you get libaacs 0.3.0-3 synced?
[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:58] <siretart> hi dholbach, morning ricotz
[07:58] <siretart> ricotz: yes, let me testbuild it
[07:59] <ricotz> siretart, hi, thanks
[08:02] <dholbach> hey siretart
[08:04] <siretart> ricotz: that the first time I'm using this newfangled syncpackage script. let's see if the sync really gets attributed to you :-)
[08:06] <ricotz> siretart, hoping the best ;P
[08:14] <siretart> Changed-By: Debian Multimedia Maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:14] <siretart> doesn't look like it, but it got accepted :-)
[08:23] <ricotz> siretart, i see, dont worry
[09:17] <Laney> sure it did https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+synchronised-packages
[09:25] <ricotz> Laney, oh nice, havent seen this new categories there yet
[09:25] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-January/007584.html even says your name :-)
[09:27] <ricotz> i see :), formerly the name would have appeared here too https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libaacs/0.3.0-3
[09:27] <Laney> ye that bit is missing
[09:27] <Laney> hopefully be back soon
[09:27] <ricotz> ok, it isnt important
[11:36] <dholbach> hey, so I mailed a few folks about this already, but it might be worth bringing it up here as well - I need some help filling the schedule for Ubuntu Developer Week, so I can go and announce it and try to get some press attention, so we can get many new contributors :)
[11:36] <dholbach> looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable what I feel we still need is a few hands-on sessions, maybe even just 30 minute ones which most of you could probably just off-the-cuff :)
[11:37] <dholbach> in a dog-walking break I came up with these ideas already http://paste.ubuntu.com/809547/
[11:38] <dholbach> having reached out to new contributors in the last months, I found that demo'ing how things are done with an example generally had a huge impact on their views of how easy it is to get involved
[11:45] <micahg> dholbach: a security session would be good  Ithink
[11:46] <dholbach> ah yes
[11:46] <micahg> I'll see if I can find someone to do it :)
[11:46]  * dholbach hugs micahg
[11:47] <tumbleweed> Laney: looks like nobody has volunteered for the second debian slot yet
[11:48] <dholbach> it's hard work getting the schedule filled this time
[11:48] <Laney> those slackers
[11:48] <dholbach> which is why I suggested more hands-on sessions, where you just talk about a few examples you picked earlier - which I I supposed would come naturally to most of the ubuntu developers and contributors :)
[11:49] <tumbleweed> people often come aind and ask what they can do to help, does a short slot on the kind of things MOTU does sound interesting? It wouldn't be particularly hands-on
[11:50] <dholbach> sure - explaining where we list our task lists and what they all mean would be super helpful
[11:53] <dholbach> or maybe a "here's how reviews are done, let's pick 5 items from the queue" session
[11:53] <dholbach> would have the nice side-benefit of getting the queue shorter ;-)
[11:58] <ajmitch> not really the best time of day for me to help out with that
[12:00] <dholbach> ajmitch, I know :-/
[12:00]  * dholbach hugs ajmitch
[13:33] <dholbach> maybe we can groups of 2 or more to copresent sessions, like Laney and tumbleweed do?
[13:35] <Laney> well actually we might split that up
[13:35] <Laney> give one half of the debian stuff each
[13:36] <dholbach> ah, so that'd be "working with debian" and "working in debian" like you mentioned some days ago?
[13:36] <Laney> yeah
[13:36] <Laney> but I'll re-ping
[13:36] <dholbach> sweet
[13:36] <dholbach> great
[13:36]  * dholbach hugs Laney and tumbleweed
[13:36] <dholbach> rock stars :)
[14:40] <scott-work> i uploaded a lowlatency kernel package to REVU last night i have yet to get a confirmation email or see it on the website, is this unusal and do i need to worry about it yet?
[15:30] <psusi> scott-work: revue is for brand new packages that want to get into universe, and is obsolete
[15:43] <siretart> scott-work: did you upload a _source.changes or a _i386.changes file?
[16:02] <ScottK> psusi: It's not obsolete.
[16:03] <ScottK> Little used, I would agree with, but not obsolete.
[16:05] <scott-work> psusi: the lowlatency kernel is a new package that needs to be into universe
[16:05] <scott-work> siretart: i believe i uploaded a _source.changes, but i can check when i get home tonight
[16:05] <scott-work> siretart: i used 'debuild -S -sa' to generate the .changes files if that helps any
[16:06] <psusi> scott-work: linux is already packaged... if you want to add a low latency flavor, it is just another binary package that should be added to the existing suorce package.. but there used to be one and the kernel removed it a few releases ago
[16:07] <psusi> ScottK: there was some discussion yesterday about it and there was a new proceedure that didn't involve revu iirc
[16:07] <psusi> kernel-team removed it that is
[16:07] <psusi> iirc, because the generic one is pretty much just as good now
[16:09] <ScottK> The kernel team is not everybody.
[16:09] <ScottK> there is an intent to replace it with mentors.debian.net, but it's not there yet.
[16:41] <scott-work> psusi: there has been discussion with the kernel team and they do not want to maintain this kernel and therefore will need to be community maintained kernel
[16:41] <scott-work> psusi: the kernel team is very accepting of a community maintained kernel based on the ubuntu kernel
[16:42] <scott-work> psusi: but it would need to be in universe therefore and a separate package
[16:42] <psusi> scott-work: you can't have a main source build a universe binary?
[16:42] <scott-work> psusi: per a uds-p blueprint i we are to build, package the lowlatency kernel and then submit to REVU
[16:43] <scott-work> psusi: it would suggest it's not a matter of ability but that the kernel team does not want to be directly involved with this kernel, including having it in their code
[16:43] <scott-work> no disrepect to UKT intended as i completely understand and agree with their motivations and concerns
[16:43] <psusi> by low latency, do you just mean switching the config option from desktop to preempt?  or are there actual source changes?
[16:44] <scott-work> psusi:  i am not a kernel expert, but my understanding is that the only changes are flags during build
[16:45] <scott-work> psusi: this is the blueprint if you are interested:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency
[16:46] <psusi> seems silly to upload a near duplicate source package just for a config change... how much difference does it actually make anyhow?
[16:48] <scott-work> psusi: performance wise for recording audio it can lower the latency by at least a factor of 2, in some cases it has lowered performance by a factor of almost 8
[16:48] <scott-work> psusi: and it also practically eliminated _all_ xruns at most of those latencies
[16:49] <psusi> I found the other day that glib's timer implementation is horribly incaccurate and submitted a patch for it... in my testing it got 20% off when run niced with stress -c in the background running a 50 Hz timer... simple patch to glib and that went down to like 0.0001% error
[16:49] <psusi> how much latency are we talking about here?  microseconds?
[16:51] <scott-work> psusi: yes, microseconds
[16:52] <psusi> wow... so you want to work with only a few microseconds of audio buffer?  damn...
[17:04] <astraljava> Ehh... that can't be right. Gotta be milliseconds.
[17:13] <scott-work> psusi: sorry, astraljava is correct, it's milliseconds....i mispoke preparing to go to a meeting
[17:14] <scott-work> but the point is per an approved bluepring from uds-p i was to submit to the lowlatency kernel to REVU
[17:14] <scott-work> if i can being told that i cannot use REVU in this capacity i need to find another vector to get this package into the universe archive
[17:17] <scott-work> also, i uploaded last night (approximately 16 hours) but have not yet received an email or can see it on the website, is there perhaps a problem with the dput although it said it uploaded properly?
[17:22] <micahg> scott-work: what's wrong with REVU now?
[17:22] <scott-work> micahg: hi, it started like this....
[17:22] <scott-work> [08:40] <scott-work> i uploaded a lowlatency kernel package to REVU last night i have yet to get a confirmation email or see it on the website, is this unusal and do i need to worry about it yet?
[17:24] <astraljava> psusi: Even though we're not actually talking microseconds, the difference is drastic on some heavy audio-related tasks. People interested in such have provided test results regarding such sessions, and in several cases the latency was dropped to even smaller than one third.
[17:24] <micahg> scott-work: it should show up fairly quickly, I assume you did dput revu foo_source.changes?
[17:24] <scott-work> micahg: i think siretart had a good suggestion on checking which *.changes file was uploaded, which i will check in approximately 6 hours hence, but generally i was just trying to get a feel for if this is normal and i dont' need to worry
[17:25] <astraljava> psusi: So even when we're only talking miniscule amounts of diffs codeline-wise, there are other differences.
[17:25] <scott-work> micahg: aye
[17:33] <jbicha> gcompris fails to build with the latest librsvg "error: 'RsvgSizeFunc' is deprecated [-Werror=deprecated-declarations]"
[17:33] <jbicha> is there an easy fix for that?
[17:34] <micahg> why wasn't this caught before the upload?
[17:34]  * micahg would have assumed 2 devs test built this in this case
[17:35] <jbicha> because new librsvg was just uploaded a few hours ago, it didn't fail earlier
[17:35] <micahg> ah, ok :()
[17:35] <micahg> :)
[17:36] <micahg> the big hammer would be to use the no-error equivalent when building, ideally, patch it to use whatever replaced it
[17:39] <scott-work> interestingly nothing since 02 jan 2012 is showing up on the revu website :/
[17:45] <ScottK> It was down for awhile before it got rebooted yesterday
[18:37] <l3on> do you think it normal that a package in universe depends on a non-free package ?
[18:37] <psusi> so why is using pkexec better than gksu?
[18:38] <ScottK> l3on: No.  It's a bug.  What package?
[18:38] <l3on> boinc-amd-opencl
[18:39] <scott-work> siretart:  i called my wife and asked her to read me the filename for the .changes file, it was a _source.changes file
[18:39] <l3on> in precise
[18:39] <ScottK> l3on: It's in multiverse: boinc-amd-opencl | 7.0.7+dfsg-1 | precise/multiverse | amd64, i386
[18:39] <l3on> right right... well, in this case ?
[18:39] <l3on> is still a bug ?
[18:40] <ScottK> No, that's where non-free stuff goes.
[18:40] <l3on> ah ok, thanks :)
[18:40] <l3on> in anycase, it has a bronken dep on amd-libopencl1
[18:42] <ScottK> Different sort of bug.
[18:42] <ScottK> It's not strictly required that multiverse packages be installable just from packages in the archive.
[18:47] <l3on> thanks for the info :)
[18:59] <siretart> scott-work: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[18:59] <siretart> scott-work: seems you're not added to the keyring yet
[19:00] <scott-work> hmmm, i did this for the zynjacku, strange
[19:01] <l3on> do you know where can I find information about what happened to package libcassad1 ?
[19:01] <scott-work> maybe i'm using a different key than i did back then
[19:01] <siretart> but 9E2AC7F4 is your key, which is registered in launchpad, right?
[19:01] <scott-work> siretart: i'm guessing then i need to verify my key is in the ubuntu keyring?
[19:02] <scott-work> siretart: "9E2AC7F4", i'll check, but it shoudl be
[19:02] <siretart> you need to join the revu-uploaders team
[19:02] <siretart> revu has a cronjob that collects keys from launchpad
[19:02] <scott-work> siretart: aye, that is my key
[19:02] <scott-work> siretart: okay, i'll join now then
[19:03] <scott-work> and then dput again?  or will i need to dput -f this time?
[19:04] <siretart> scott-work: dputting again should work, or some revu admin can move back the .changes file
[19:09] <scott-work> siretart: okay, maybe i'm flusttered, but i simply can't find 'revu-uploaders' in launchpad
[19:09] <siretart> oh
[19:09] <siretart> right, that was removed at some point..
[19:10] <siretart> RainCT: around? see above
[19:16] <siretart> scott-work: sorry, I was wrong
[19:16] <siretart> scott-work: 2012-01-19 20:16:43 - linux-lowlatency_3.2.0-9.16_source.changes: Incorrect signature, moving to rejected.
[19:17] <siretart> or wait. no
[19:19] <RainCT> Hey
[19:19] <scott-work> siretart: i would like to point out that no matter the outcome, i really do appreciate your efforts to help me :)
[19:19] <RainCT> siretart: the cronjob is long gone
[19:20] <RainCT> keys are pulled individually from Launchpad every time you log in on the REVU website
[19:20] <RainCT> scott-work: ^
[19:20] <scott-work> RainCT:  i _think_ i might have dput'ed before logging in (at least in a year)
[19:20] <siretart> RainCT: aah, that explains
[19:20] <scott-work> RainCT: now that i have logged into the website do you think dput will work
[19:20] <scott-work> ?
[19:20] <siretart> scott-work: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/linux-lowlatency
[19:21] <siretart> scott-work: I've reprocessed your upload manually.
[19:21] <scott-work> siretart: i simply cannot thank you enough!  if i see you at a uds i will buy you several of your favourite beverages :)
[19:21] <siretart> :-)
[19:39] <l3on> hi guys, how a package can be updated with bzr ?
[19:39] <l3on> I looking at "condor"
[19:40] <l3on> well, maybe it's too much complex for me :/
[19:44] <scott-work> l3on: my experience is to download the bzr branch, make the changes, upload back to the branch, and then ask for a sponsor to upload the changes to the archives
[19:45] <l3on> scott-work, well but I'm going to "upgrade" package, in meaning of new upstream release.. is there something like --pristine ?
[19:45] <jtaylor> there should be an merge-upstream command
[19:46] <l3on> found, thanks jtaylor
[19:47] <micahg> l3on: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-merging.html#merging-a-new-upstream-version
[19:52] <l3on> well, seems to not work...
[19:52] <l3on> bzr merge-upsream $HOME/condor-7.6.6.tar.gz
[19:52] <l3on> returns an exception...
[20:17] <broder> l3on: you need to specify the version number as well. don't remember exactly how - might be --version or -v or something
[20:54] <koolhead17> slangasek: hi there


[00:05] <mparillo> Alternative downloads now shows 20.04.4. Thank you. I just published another change to make the link to https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/20.04/release/SHA256SUMS clickable.
 Thanks!
[00:11] <Maik> sweet!
[00:11] <mparillo> It probably will take another hour before you see it.
[00:12] <Maik> looks ok at my end now
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> Takes quite a few minutes for that stuff to propagate all CDNs.
[03:42] <ahoneybun> mmikowski RikMills valorie the changes are now in : http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu_175/changelog
[03:42] <valorie> \o/
[03:44] <ahoneybun> Also mmikowski there is a git version of it : https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[04:54] <mmikowski> ahoneybun: thanks!
[05:24] <ahoneybun> yep!
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[17:34] <mparillo> Is it expected that  zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/jammy-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync works but  zsync https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/jammy-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync does not?
[17:35] <mparillo> Is it that zsync cannot handle HTTPs or is it a configuration on the cdimage.ubuntu.com server?
[17:35] <mparillo> Server / load balancer / firewall, some configuration.
[17:55] <RikMills> mparillo: zsync has never worked with https
[17:57] <mparillo> Thanks. I was copying the first part from my browser URL, then pasting the file name, and was confused why it was not working until I looked through my bash history.


[00:20] <bkerensa> slangasek: I'm adding the event to loco.u.c right now and also an announcement will follow
[00:20] <bkerensa> :)
[00:20] <slangasek> cool :)
[00:48] <albrigha> bkerensa, you around? or someone? to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:48] <albrigha> my host is saying i have a local network issue to my domain
[00:48] <albrigha> but i think it's on their end.
[00:49] <albrigha> trying to figure out where the issue is
[00:49] <bkerensa> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/console-common/+bug/881079
[00:49] <bkerensa> :(
[00:49] <bkerensa> not fixed for me
[00:49] <albrigha> i've seen that a bunch of times
[00:49] <slangasek> albrigha: I can reach that IP
[00:50] <slangasek> bkerensa: what about it?
[00:50] <bkerensa> albrigha: I get response from the IP
[00:50] <slangasek> bkerensa: oh, "not fixed for you" - well, then either that's not your bug, or you have packages installed that it doesn't make sense for you to :)
[00:51] <slangasek> correction - if it's not fixed for you, then it's not your bug, period
[00:51] <bkerensa> k
[00:51] <slangasek> that bug is about a *wrong* message saying that it's waiting for the network when it isn't
[00:51] <slangasek> if you get that message, it's really waiting for the network... so it's probably an issue with your system's network config
[00:52] <albrigha> hm okay
[00:52] <albrigha> can you guys get to browncoat.us ?
[00:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: please pastebin me ls -l /var/run/network, as well as the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[00:52] <bkerensa> slangasek: Well how do I know its not wrong? The symptoms seem to be identical
[00:52] <bkerensa> sure
[00:52] <albrigha> (sorry to interrupt)
[00:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: you know it's not wrong because I'm telling you so :)
[00:52] <slangasek> albrigha: yes, I can reach that website
[00:53] <albrigha> i have no idea why i'ts not working for me
[00:53] <albrigha> i traceroute it and it stops at the router right  before my website
[00:53] <albrigha> but i seem to be the only one with the prob
[00:53] <albrigha> 2 diff computers
[00:53] <albrigha> (here i tested)
[00:54] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842463/
[00:54] <bkerensa> albrigha: What does your network look like?
[00:54] <slangasek> albrigha: yes, it probably is as they say a routing issue with your local provider
[00:55] <bkerensa> hmm
[00:55] <c_smith> hey, I have a quick question regarding commands: is there a command to check free PCI slots in a desktop?
[00:55] <albrigha> pretty simple. linksys wifi router to comcast
[00:55] <c_smith> Google failed me there.
[00:55] <slangasek> albrigha: either with your local provider or with the hosting provider, but the hosting provider says they've already checked :)
[00:55] <albrigha> yeah so i'm confused..
[00:55] <albrigha> must be comcast then i guess
[00:56] <bkerensa> c_smith: You dont know how many PCI slots are unused on your desktop?
[00:56] <bkerensa> :s
[00:56] <slangasek> bkerensa: very interesting; /var/run/network/ifup.lo is missing
[00:56] <albrigha> c_smith, you could try lshw > hardware.txt
[00:56] <albrigha> then gedit hardware.txt
[00:56] <albrigha> but not 100% sure it will tell you how many empty
[00:56] <albrigha> it will def tell you what is in the slots
[00:56] <bkerensa> albrigha: Why not just check manually? :P
[00:57] <albrigha> haha yeah that would seem to be the easiest option
[00:57] <bkerensa> It seems absurd to not know what you have installed in your own box
[00:57] <bkerensa> :D
[00:57] <albrigha> lol
[00:57] <c_smith> bkerensa, I just got it set up, it was custom built for another person a few years ago, and I'm trying to find what I can replace/improve, or if I need to just use parts from it to build another PC.
[00:57] <bkerensa> ahh
[00:57] <bkerensa> I would just crack the hood open :P
[00:57] <slangasek> bkerensa: can you paste the contents of /run/network/ifstate ?  also, what version of the resolvconf package do you have installed?
[00:57] <c_smith> bkerensa, so in a sense, it wasn't originally mine. :{
[00:57] <c_smith> *:P
[00:58] <c_smith> and I'd feel much safer if I could find this out through software, as I'm lost when it comes to figuring out what's in there physically
[00:58] <c_smith> but I might as well try.
[00:59] <albrigha> lshw is pretty cool
[00:59] <albrigha> it might not answer all your questions. but it will tell you a lot
[00:59] <albrigha> still a good command to know :)
[01:01] <c_smith> from lshw (which I've known about for some time) I can say this PC has an 80GB ATA HDD, not SATA, ATA.
[01:02] <c_smith> one question about craching it open: is it safe to open it on a hard wood floor?
[01:02] <c_smith> or should I find a rubber mat to put it on?
[01:09] <albrigha> i open mine on the hardwood floor
[01:09] <albrigha> haven't had any issues..but no promises lol
[01:10] <c_smith> ok
[01:10] <albrigha> c_smith, sorry i hope i didn't come off wrong. its hard to know what people know or not.
[01:11] <c_smith> you came off alright, not offended in any way.
[01:11] <c_smith> now I need to know what I'm looking for to see if I have free PCI slots.
[01:13] <c_smith> is the PCI slots the ones that align with the slots for expansions in the back of the casing?
[01:14] <albrigha> they are white a lot of the time
[01:14] <albrigha> most i'd even say
[01:14] <albrigha> agp/pci is brownish usually
[01:14] <albrigha> eh
[01:14] <albrigha> agp/pci-e
[01:14] <albrigha> but i'm thinking your system prob has just an agp
[01:16] <c_smith> there's 4 white plug-like slots that a horizontal to the back expansion parts of the PC,
[01:16] <bkerensa> slangasek ifstate is empty and E: Unable to locate package resolveconf
[01:16] <bkerensa> :P
[01:16] <slangasek> bkerensa: resolvconf, not resolveconf
[01:17] <bkerensa> oh darn
[01:17] <c_smith> and then another taken by what looks to a GPU.
[01:18] <bkerensa> slangasek: resolvconf is 1.6.3ubuntu7
[01:18] <slangasek> ok
[01:18] <albrigha> c_smith, sounds about right
[01:18] <c_smith> ok
[01:19] <slangasek> bkerensa: ls -l /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/, ls -l /etc/network/if-up.d/, ls -l /var/log/upstart?
[01:19] <slangasek> bkerensa: this is precise, right?
[01:19] <slangasek> n/m, it's clearly precise
[01:19] <bkerensa> albrigha: I think concerns of anti-static lines and such are minimal... I was taught to use a anti-static line etc but over the years I have abandoned such practices and had zero issues
[01:19] <c_smith> albrigha, k then those are PCI?
[01:19] <bkerensa> I guess if were talking server building I would use a line but not on my pc
[01:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: yes precise
[01:20] <c_smith> the graphics unit is in a green slot.
[01:21] <slangasek> bkerensa: yeppers - so those ls outputs might point to the problem
[01:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842486/
[01:21] <bkerensa> :D
[01:21] <c_smith> it's the ATI card in the green slot, and I know from lshw that the ATI card is a gpu.
[01:21] <c_smith> and that I also have an Nforce GPU, too
[01:22] <slangasek> bkerensa: basically, what I believe is happening is that on boot, the 'ifup --allow auto lo' command called from /etc/init/network-interface.conf is successfully bringing up the interface (because it's hard for that to fail), but then one of the ifupdown hooks is failing, causing /etc/network/if-up.d/upstart to not be run
[01:22] <bkerensa> slangasek: So is this a bug or is it something borked on my configs?
[01:23] <bkerensa> if its a bug I can report it
[01:23] <bkerensa> :D
[01:23] <slangasek> bkerensa: it may be a bug, but it's not a bug in upstart ;)  I'm trying to get enough info to see where the bug is
[01:24] <slangasek> bkerensa: my current best guess is that it's a bug in the firestarter package
[01:24] <slangasek> bkerensa: can I see /var/log/upstart/network-interface-eth1.log?
[01:25] <bkerensa> slangasek: It is empty
[01:25] <c_smith> nice, just read the mainboard markings, I do indeed have 5 PCI slots free, and the mainboard is capable of SATA.
[01:25] <slangasek> bkerensa: ah; can I see /var/log/upstart/network-interface-eth1.log.1.gz then, please :)
[01:27] <slangasek> bkerensa: nah, strike that, that file shouldn't tell me anything useful
[01:28] <slangasek> bkerensa: can I have you, at your convenience, upgrade to a test package of upstart, reboot, and then show me /var/log/upstart/network-interface-lo.log which should then be available?
[01:28] <slangasek> bkerensa: instructions for the test package: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/02/call-for-testing-upstart-14.html
[01:30] <bkerensa> slangasek: surely... it is installing now I will be back short;y
[01:34] <albrigha> bkerensa, haha me too for the most part. i mean i might tap the power supply while it's plugged in before i reach in. but i don't worry about it otherwise
[01:35] <bkerensa> then again I haven't really used a desktop in almost 10 years
[01:35] <bkerensa> :D
[01:35] <bkerensa> I have had one but it was rarely used
[01:38] <bkerensa> albrigha: Next time you come up for a Ubuntu Hour I should send you home with CD's
[01:38] <bkerensa> "D
[01:38] <bkerensa> Canonical decided to send me far more CD's then I could possibly use in this release cycle
[01:39] <bkerensa> I ask for 30 CD's and they send me 600
[01:39] <bkerensa> :(
[01:45] <bkerensa> slangasek: Hmm that did not resolve
[01:45] <slangasek> resolve?
[01:45] <bkerensa> slangasek: That did not fix the issues I'm encountering
[01:45] <slangasek> bkerensa: I thought someone wanted to put a stack of CDs at PSU?
[01:45] <bkerensa> :D
[01:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: I might talk to blkperl about figuring out where those could go... If I get permission then surely I could go drop off a bunch
[01:46] <bkerensa> :D
[01:46] <slangasek> bkerensa: it wasn't supposed to; it was just supposed to turn on full upstart logging support so I could get useful logs
[01:46] <slangasek> bkerensa: do you have a /var/log/upstart/network-interface-lo.log now?
[01:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: Ahh :) ok well
[01:46] <bkerensa> let me check
[01:46] <blkperl> bkerensa: yes we want stacks of ubuntu cd
[01:47] <bkerensa> blkperl: Ok where would I drop them off?
[01:47] <blkperl> bkerensa: FAB 82-01 (Fourth Ave Building)
[01:47] <bkerensa> blkperl: Who to I deliver them to?
[01:47] <bkerensa> :D
[01:47] <blkperl> CAT front desk
[01:48] <blkperl> which release are they for?
[01:48] <bkerensa> blkperl: 11.10
[01:48] <blkperl> k
[01:49] <bkerensa> blkperl: Are there any places to post a flyer about Ubuntu Oregon?
[01:49] <bkerensa> :D
[01:49] <bkerensa> paper spamming is fun
[01:49] <blkperl> bkerensa: leave flyer at the front desk too
[01:49] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842506/
[01:50] <bkerensa> blkperl: Ok :)
[01:50] <blkperl> or you can leave one with the cs tutors
[01:50] <bkerensa> blkperl: I will see about heading down there either this week or early next
[01:50] <bkerensa> :D
[01:50] <blkperl> bkerensa: if you come Friday at 4pm you can do you 15min talk for psu-acm
[01:50] <blkperl> s/you/your
[01:50] <blkperl> and get free pizza
[01:50] <bkerensa> blkperl: LOL
[01:51] <bkerensa> blkperl: What happened to four weeks :P
[01:51] <bkerensa> blkperl: :P
[01:51] <blkperl> well your talk is only 15mins it can fit before any of the talks
[01:51] <slangasek> bkerensa: WHOO I'm so happy, we got a log
[01:52] <blkperl> well their more of workshops
[01:52] <blkperl> for the next 2 weeks
[01:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: so, please file a bug on firestarter about it breaking your networking :)
[01:52] <bkerensa> slangasek: and then apt-get remove? :P
[01:53] <slangasek> bkerensa: also, you may want to run 'sudo ln -sf ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf', so that you get the benefits of resolvconf
[01:53] <bkerensa> blkperl: I really wish I could do this Friday but I'm still settling into my new place and have a lot of stuff to do thursday and friday
[01:53] <bkerensa> :D
[01:53] <bkerensa> painting/setting up our network etc
[01:53] <bkerensa> :D
[01:53] <albrigha> bkerensa, sorry its been crazy today. actually we where talking about making CDs for the loco right? can we use shipit and order a bunch?
[01:54] <bkerensa> albrigha: Your employer nuked Shipit
[01:54] <bkerensa> :)
[01:54] <bkerensa> it hasn't existed for the public for a long time now
[01:54] <bkerensa> :D
[01:54] <albrigha> oh lol
[01:54] <slangasek> bkerensa: are you not using firestarter as your firewall? If not, you should probably do 'apt-get purge' instead :)
[01:54] <albrigha> i haven't used it in a few years.. darn i liked shipit
[01:54] <bkerensa> Until were an approved loco... the only way I get CD's is if someone at Canonical shows me love
[01:55] <bkerensa> :D
[01:55] <albrigha> hm
[01:55] <albrigha> have you talked with balloons by chance?
[01:55] <slangasek> (since 'apt-get remove' isn't enough to get rid of the script that's failing)
[01:55] <bkerensa> balloons: ?
[01:55] <bkerensa> he works for Jono right?
[01:55] <bkerensa> :D
[01:55] <albrigha> actually he might i'm not sure
[01:55] <albrigha> he's doing community stuff as well
[01:55] <slangasek> he does
[01:55] <albrigha> ahh
[01:55] <albrigha> it's all coming together, slowly
[01:56] <slangasek> he's the Community QA coordinator
[01:56] <bkerensa> yeah... I would just ask Jono because eventually it all goes to him anyways and then goes to Ceiz or Jas
[01:56] <bkerensa> :D
[01:56] <albrigha> haha
[01:56] <bkerensa> saves one step
[01:56] <albrigha> i haven't put it all together the community coordinators yet
[01:56] <bkerensa> albrigha: I wouldnt try... It seems dynamic
[01:56] <bkerensa> :D
[01:57] <albrigha> lol
[01:57] <albrigha> you'd know way more than I that's for sure
[01:57] <bkerensa> only because I idle in the comm channel
[02:00] <bkerensa> blkperl: Anyways once I get these down there let me know when they run out and I will try and keep you guys stocked
[02:00] <bkerensa> :D
[02:06] <bkerensa> slangasek: Thanks for helping me figure that out... I remove firestarter
[02:08] <slangasek> bkerensa: no problem - I'm very happy to be putting upstart logging to use
[02:20] <c_smith> now to find the hdd capabilities of the mainboard
[03:53] <MarkDude> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/02/15/anatomy-of-an-attack-comes-to-portland-or/
[03:53] <MarkDude> Your bot should announce the link
[04:34] <sbeattie> c_smith: generally, dmidecode is what I use to query hardware about what it thinks it has.
[04:35] <sbeattie> That said, hardware may think it has something available when it actually doesn't have the necessary connector on the motherboard.
[08:34] <bkerensa> hello randumbum
[09:23] <randumbum> @bkerensa--> hiya
[09:23] <meetingology> randumbum: Error: "bkerensa-->" is not a valid command.
[09:24] <randumbum> bkerensa: Hello
[09:28] <randumbum> bkerensa: just found your website.  I'll be adding it to my feeds to keep track of changes.  Nice to know more about the local linux community.
[09:36] <bkerensa> randumbum: No doubt... We have events every few months :)
[09:36] <bkerensa> We have one coming up in March
[13:06] <bkerensa> albrigha: You are up pretty early ;)
[13:31] <albrigha> haha yeah
[13:31] <albrigha> working on the automation testing stuff. we have a meeting later and i wanted to connect with some folks across the pond, as they say
[13:32] <albrigha> good times though
[13:32] <albrigha> i couldn't sleep anyway shrug
[13:40] <bkerensa> diff is burning 14% of my cpu
[13:40] <bkerensa> :D
[13:40] <bkerensa> albrigha: Do you only hangout on Canonical's server channel :) I noticed your in here and devel but not -kernel :)
[13:41] <albrigha> well not only, but i am on there
[13:41] <albrigha> i haven't thought about kernel (well no one said anything) but i think it's a good idea
[13:42] <albrigha> bkerensa, any other cool channels i should get in on? :)
[13:43] <bkerensa> heh
[13:43] <bkerensa> well stay out of kernel unless you want to do work
[13:43] <bkerensa> :P
[13:43] <albrigha> lol
[13:43] <bkerensa> I went in there to submit one patch and am ending up doing another
[13:43] <bkerensa> :P
[13:43] <albrigha> haha awesome
[13:43] <albrigha> was that the waiting for network?
[13:43] <albrigha> on boot? annoying..
[13:45] <bkerensa> albrigha: Uhh no that was Firestarter... I'm not skilled enough to do that big of fixes or confident
[13:45] <bkerensa> :)
[13:45] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/593107
[13:45] <bkerensa> thats what I was working on
[13:45] <albrigha> haha me either
[13:45] <bkerensa> simple stuff
[13:45] <bkerensa> :P
[13:45] <tgm4883> firestarter?
[13:45] <tgm4883> hasn't that been unmaintained for years now?
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: It is in USC
[13:46] <bkerensa> :D
[13:46] <albrigha> bkerensa, well still cool
[13:46] <tgm4883> yea
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: It nuked my booting for a week
[13:46] <bkerensa> :D
[13:46] <tgm4883> although it should probably be removed
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Or maintained? :)
[13:46] <tgm4883> bkerensa, have you tried gufw?
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Nope. I was just using Firestarter to monitor traffic not filter
[13:46] <bkerensa> :D
[13:47] <tgm4883> bkerensa, http://gufw.tuxfamily.org/
[13:47] <albrigha> i haven't used firestarter in forever
[13:47] <tgm4883> I haven't used gufw, but it looks to be similar
[13:47] <albrigha> it looks goo
[13:47] <albrigha> good even
[13:48] <tgm4883> bkerensa, if you frequent the security forum on ubuntu forums, they tell you not to use firestarter
[13:48] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I have to interview Revell in a week or so :P
[13:49] <tgm4883> bkerensa, he's a descent guy, I didn't get that job though
[13:49] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Huh... I have been less active on forums for a few months now
[13:49] <tgm4883> I am happy that he told me within a few hours. I hate it when places either don't tell you that you are no longer in the running or wait weeks to do it
[13:50] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Indeed
[13:50] <albrigha> Revell?
[13:50] <bkerensa> tgm4883: But you are starting a new job right?
[13:50] <tgm4883> yea
[13:50] <tgm4883> at Chemeketa
[13:50] <albrigha> tgm4883, what will you be doing?
[13:51] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Ahh... Salem Campus?
[13:51] <tgm4883> albrigha, system admin
[13:51] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea
[13:51] <albrigha> cool!
[13:51] <tgm4883> start on monday
[13:51] <tgm4883> which means hopefully i'll be able to start going to ubuntu hours in salem again
[13:51] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Have fun with their Windows boxes... I imagine quite a bit are Windows
[13:51] <bkerensa> :D
[13:52] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I'm sure a bunch of them are, but they have linux boxes as well
[13:52] <bkerensa> I took some classes at PCC and they luckily did offer Ubuntu on all their desktops
[13:52] <bkerensa> :D
[13:52] <tgm4883> probably just their backend server's for storage and virtualization though
[13:52] <albrigha> wow really??
[13:52] <bkerensa> They dual-boot Windows XP/7 and Ubuntu
[13:52] <bkerensa> :D
[13:52] <albrigha> well that's nice
[13:53] <bkerensa> Their CS professor is a windows geek though and he sadly also teaches the very few FOSS classes they have
[13:53] <bkerensa> :P
[13:54] <tgm4883> heh, actually, here is the minimum qualifications they wanted
[13:54] <tgm4883> Four years of experience in Linux and/or VMware syFour years of experience in Linux and/or VMware system administration that includes at least one year of experience supporting Linux servers employing scripting techniques stem administration that includes at least one year of experience supporting Linux servers employing scripting techniques
[13:54] <tgm4883> no mention of windows in there
[13:54] <bkerensa> btw... tgm4883 have you used perf top
[13:54] <bkerensa> ?
[13:55] <tgm4883> nope
[13:55] <bkerensa> its nice... I like it
[13:56] <tgm4883> does look nice, installing it now
[13:57] <tgm4883> hmm, apparently there is also a kernel upgrade required
[14:03] <bkerensa> tgm4883: LOL
[14:03] <bkerensa> what does changelog say for that upgrade? :)
[14:06] <bkerensa> ahh nevermind those have not been pushed yet
[15:24] <albrigha> well that was annoying. bkerensa, have you ever encountered changing the  BIOS time (after install) makes ubuntu not boot?
[15:25] <bkerensa> albrigha: No =o
[15:25] <albrigha> hm maybe if you get a sec wanna try it to make sure i'm not crazy?
[15:25] <albrigha> i changed the time and i tried everything and it refused to boot into x
[15:25] <albrigha> i could do recovery, fsck,etc. but it wouldn't boot and i couldn't do alt-f2 etc
[15:26] <albrigha> ctrl-alt-f2 etc anyway
[15:26] <albrigha> if not i'll see if someone else can give it a try, i know you are busy
[15:26] <albrigha> sa'll good
[15:26] <albrigha> i had to go back into the bio and change it back
[15:26] <albrigha> cause i was trying to figure out what changed..and that was the only thing i changed before hand in the bios anyway
[15:27] <albrigha> i was going to enable the virtualization etc and realized the time was all wrong
[15:27] <albrigha> change that and vm and no boot. then eventually went back to the bios and undid what i did one at a time.
[15:27] <albrigha> and it booted when i changed the time back to the old time
[15:55] <albrigha> bkerensa, i forgot to send this to you: http://harvest.ubuntu.com/ not sure if you've seen it before, but thought you might like it
[15:57] <tgm4883> albrigha, sounds like it thinks all the timestamps are in the future?
[15:57] <tgm4883> IIRC, I've seen that issue on RHEL machines
[15:57] <albrigha> tgm4883, yeah i think the same thing..but it should still boot i think? shouldn't totally fail, i think
[15:58] <tgm4883> albrigha, It's been awhile since I've seen that, but I thought it warns you of it. Is it possibly waiting for user input?
[15:59] <albrigha> for me it stops at either a blinking curser or a totally black screen.
[16:02] <albrigha> i looked in boot.log and bootstrap.log and syslog but i don't see any errors
[16:03] <albrigha> not sure where else to look for boot error messages..
[16:07] <tgm4883> dmesg?
[16:09] <albrigha> nothing in there either. i wonder if i'll have to cause it again and then drop to a shell to see
[16:10] <albrigha> i mean there is a lot of stuff in there..but i can't seem to find any time/date error
[17:07] <sbeattie> albrigha: it's not fscking because the superblock's timestamp is in the future?
[17:07] <albrigha> sbeattie, I thought  something like that as well, but i ran fsck from recovery and it completed successfully
[17:25] <tgm4883> sbeattie, that is the message I remember from my time with RHEL
[20:46] <cweber10> bkerensa: Hello how are things going today
[22:58] <bkerensa> cweber10: Can we reschedule for Friday at your availability? I have something urgent that came up today


[09:09] <asac> ola
[03:57] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[05:09] <asac> hi
[05:30] <bluekuja> asac: heya
[05:30] <bluekuja> :)
[05:32] <asac> bluekuja: hey
[05:32] <bluekuja> how it's going alex?
[05:32] <asac> i am still burried by this ffox update that rolled today :/
[05:32] <bluekuja> oh :D
[05:32] <bluekuja> did you buy that birthday present?
[05:34] <bluekuja> asac: ^^
[05:48] <asac> yeah ;)
[05:48] <asac> already given :)
[05:48] <bluekuja> asac: cool! what did you get?
[05:48] <bluekuja> oh :)
[05:48] <bluekuja> your gf was happy?
[05:48] <asac> yeah :)
[05:48] <bluekuja> :)
[05:48] <asac> i managed it for this year at least :)
[05:48] <bluekuja> that's a nice thing
[05:49] <bluekuja> if she's happy, you're happy too
[05:49] <bluekuja> ^^
[05:49] <bluekuja> does she live with you?
[05:49] <asac> yeah
[05:49] <bluekuja> or another city?
[05:49] <asac> the latter
[05:50] <asac> for another year at least
[05:50] <bluekuja> aww, so you can see her only sometimes
[05:50] <bluekuja> :/
[05:50] <DarkSun88> bluekuja: dholbach has sended the mail?
[05:50] <bluekuja> DarkSun88, unfortunately not yet
[05:50] <DarkSun88> Mm, ok.
[05:50] <DarkSun88> Hi asac
[05:50] <bluekuja> I think he forget to check
[05:50] <bluekuja> is 20 days
[05:51] <bluekuja> in fact
[05:51] <bluekuja> ^^
[05:51] <asac> bluekuja: he knows about it ...i am sure
[05:51] <asac> or ... i know that he knows
[05:51] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, he cannot have forgot
[05:51] <asac> but he is preparing for ubuntu live
[05:51] <bluekuja> yup!
[05:51] <asac> where he has a talkk
[05:52] <bluekuja> I've seen his comment before on -devel
[05:52] <bluekuja> regarding ubuntu-live
[05:52] <asac> i guess the week afterwards he will come to it
[05:52] <bluekuja> asac: when ubuntu-live will be?
[05:52] <asac> just keep up your work imo :)
[05:52] <asac> next week
[05:52] <bluekuja> asac: yea! :)
[05:52] <bluekuja> I'm a little less busy on this week with work and so on
[05:52] <asac> he will travel ton saturday or even friday i guess
[05:53] <bluekuja> I'll try to see what I can do
[05:53] <bluekuja> :)
[05:53] <bluekuja> asac: which country/city?
[05:54] <bluekuja> asac: and how long will ubuntu-live duration?
[05:55] <bluekuja> oh july 22-24
[05:56] <bluekuja> asac: do you have a talk too?
[05:56] <asac> no .. i will not attend
[05:57] <bluekuja> oh :)
[05:57] <bluekuja> I'm looking at ubuntu-live homepage
[05:59] <asac> actually i am happy to not have to go there ... i hate frequent travelling
[05:59] <asac> s/hate/dislike
[06:00] <bluekuja> asac: what's ?
[06:04] <asac> he?
[06:05] <bluekuja> after travelling
[06:05] <bluekuja> I see some strange stuff
[06:05] <asac> just s/hate/dislike/
[06:05] <bluekuja> like
[06:05] <asac> yeah
[06:05] <asac> figure out :)
[06:05] <asac> its pretty common
[06:05] <asac> to correct spelling grammar etc.
[06:06] <bluekuja> :D
[06:06] <asac> its like in sed and vim you replace text like that
[06:06] <bluekuja> oh
[06:06] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:06] <bluekuja> now I remember
[06:06] <asac> right ... replace regular expression
[06:06] <asac> its commonly used on irc
[06:07] <bluekuja> thanks for the info
[06:07] <bluekuja> :)
[06:08] <bluekuja> DarkSun88, well done
[06:08] <bluekuja> offer a virtual beer to asac too
[06:08] <bluekuja> ^^
[06:08] <DarkSun88> Sure.
[06:09] <DarkSun88> It's in fridge.
[06:10] <bluekuja> DarkSun88, when will you start a brand new package?
[06:10] <bluekuja> e.g to maintain it
[06:11] <DarkSun88> Soon.
[06:11] <DarkSun88> :)
[06:11] <bluekuja> nice
[06:11] <bluekuja> let me know
[06:12] <DarkSun88> You will be my mentor :)
[06:13] <bluekuja> lol
[06:13] <bluekuja> I'll try
[06:13] <bluekuja> asac: gmsh new revision finally arrived
[06:13] <bluekuja> I fix the error I did
[06:14] <bluekuja> about versioning
[06:14] <bluekuja> so it will be finally ok
[06:15] <bluekuja> asac: I ping you when debdiff is available
[06:15] <asac> sure ... tomorrow i can do it
[06:16] <bluekuja> asac: ok, cool
[06:16] <bluekuja> want to see it fixed as soon as possible
[06:16] <bluekuja> it's important
[06:16] <bluekuja> you know
[06:16] <bluekuja> :)
[06:16] <asac> i will be here
[06:18] <bluekuja> :)
[06:20] <asac> ok out for today
[06:21] <asac> cu tomorrow
[06:21] <bluekuja> cu asac, take care
[06:21] <bluekuja> :)