[06:44] <nikkia> i use my laptop with the vesa driver, as the savage driver causes screen corruption :)
[06:44] <othomas> _root: try reinstall and select the 32 bit option then
[06:44] <_root> sorry, but I'm very new to that (again)
[06:44] <nikkia> _root, change the 'savage' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to 'vesa'
[06:44] <_root> last time I used Slackware 1.xxx :D
[06:44] <othomas> nikkia: good idea..:)
[06:44] <_root> many things have changed
[06:45] <nikkia> vesa is quite a bit slower tho
[06:45] <_root> that's all ?
[06:45] <nikkia> but then, the savage driver isn't much of a speed daemon either :)
[06:45] <hussam> can somebody check for me if  http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com opens?
[06:45] <nikkia> _root, yes
[06:45] <hussam> in a browser windows
[06:45] <_root> cool :)
[06:45] <_root> done, it's working (directors listing)
[06:45] <_root> s = y
[06:46] <othomas> hussam: it opens to a directory
[06:46] <thoreauputic> hussam: opens here too
[06:46] <hussam> it times out here
[06:47] <nikkia> othomas: btw, when you said it was working in windows, what version?
[06:47] <othomas> it needs an index.html and then will have your page
[06:47] <_root> well, now I'm going to restart ...
[06:47] <nikkia> i've never been able to track down real XP drivers for my savage
[06:47] <_root> ehm
[06:47] <nikkia> (as when via bought S3, the first thing they did, was killed the drivers download page, and the last driver for the /IX i have was for 2k)
[06:47] <_root> In windows xp it's working with 32 bit @ 1024x768 (32 MB shared memory)
[06:48] <nikkia> _root, not an /IX then ?
[06:48] <othomas> say, how do you talk private to someone..I know it's in the man pages, but think one of you could tell me quicker
[06:48] <nikkia> othomas: /msg nickname message
[06:48] <_root> you should explain what I/X means :D
[06:48] <othomas> ty
[06:48] <nikkia> othomas: or /query nickname
[06:49] <nikkia> which will open a chat window to them (or some equivalent thereof if you're running a text mode client)
[06:49] <nikkia> _root: the 'S3 Savage' is a family of video chips
[06:49] <_root> ok
[06:49] <nikkia> there is a 'S3 Savage/IX' a 'S3 Savage/MX' etc
[06:49] <_root> ProSavage PM133 says lspci
[06:50] <nikkia> the /IX was the second savage released, i think (after the plain 'S3 Savage')
[06:50] <nikkia> ah, ProSavage is Via era S3
[06:50] <_root> don't know more about that
[06:50] <nikkia> ie, somewhere after about 2000-2001
[06:50] <_root> well, my laptop is ~ 2,5 y old
[06:50] <nikkia> in your case, its probably integrated into the Via PM133 chipset
[06:50] <othomas> S3 used to be the cat's meow of chips..
[06:50] <nikkia> othomas: they did????
[06:51] <nikkia> othomas: they've always sucked, just mention the Virge to any gamer :)
[06:52] <othomas> good lord Frank!
[06:52] <nikkia> othomas: if you're not aware of how much of a reputation the S3 Virge had.... it was *slower* at h/w accelerated 3D, than using Software 3D, for Quake
[06:52] <_root> what is the fastest why to restart x-server ?
[06:52] <nikkia> _root, ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:52] <_root> that I can see the changes made bevore
[06:52] <_root> ok
[06:53] <_root> c u soon
[06:55] <othomas> dang it's raining here
[06:55] <othomas> wb _root
[06:55] <_root> back again ;)
[06:55] <_root> well, everything looks fine again :D
[06:55] <othomas> !GREAT!
[06:55] <ubotu> othomas: I give up, what is it?
[06:56] <_root> another stupid question: does vesa work with 32 bit, too ?
[06:56] <nikkia> _root, perhaps
[06:57] <_root> ok
[06:57] <nikkia> _root, depends on the vesa implementation in the video chip/card's rom
[06:57] <othomas> _root: and ur memory
[06:57] <_root> so I've to change DefaultDepth to 32 and to add another Subsection of Display with Depth 32 ?
[06:57] <nikkia> _root: bear  in mind, tho, that 32bit will use a bit more ram, and be slower, because you're pretty much using software video routines completely with vesa
[06:58] <nikkia> (yes, i know, vesa accelerator architecture, but i don't think the S3 stuff supports it, so its not relevant :)
[06:58] <_root> well, 32 MB of memory will work fine I think - like Windows does ;)
[06:58] <nikkia> root, there is also, absolutely no difference in image quality
[06:58] <_root> yes, for sure
[06:58] <nikkia> as 24/32 just affects the byte packing in the frame buffer
[06:58] <_root> but I just want to test it
[06:59] <_root> the windows drivers only support 16 and 32 bit
[06:59] <othomas> we all nod and smile
[06:59] <_root> only the byte packing in the frame buffer ?
[06:59] <_root> well, I can easily see a difference between pictures with 16 and 24 bits ;)
[07:00] <othomas> yep
[07:00] <_root> one more test ...
[07:01] <foodcoman> nikkia: Just sent a screenshot to the buddy that had the TRS-80 Model 1 that I first played the game on.  He is a windows person.  I love to rub their noses in Linux.
[07:01] <othomas> *glutton for punishment..lol..one of us
[07:01] <othomas> hahaha foodcoman
[07:02] <nikkia> foodcoman: tbh, i'd be surprised if there isn't a windows version too
[07:02] <nikkia> and trek should certainly be present on cygwin :)
[07:03] <foodcoman> Yeah buy you/I found it first....  The 27 year flashback will be overwhelming!
[07:03] <foodcoman> buy = but.
[07:04] <othomas> :i see a trek group in the future
[07:04] <othomas>  :) #kubuntu-trek
[07:05] <othomas> heh
[07:08] <othomas> you two aren't seriously considering that!
[07:08] <nikkia> root, btw
[07:08] <foodcoman> Network version, OOOOooooo.
[07:08] <_root> back again
[07:08] <othomas> wb root
[07:08] <_root> well, 32 bits are not working with vesa
[07:08] <nikkia> root, if you want to try a little harder to get accelerated savage stuff working, http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html has some good info
[07:08] <othomas> lol
[07:08] <_root> thanks
[07:08] <_root> but everything here is to slow to run 3D ;)
[07:09] <nikkia> don't honestly know if there is anything there that'll enable 24/32 bit stuff if its not working, tho
[07:09] <othomas> yep root, always will be with your system
[07:09] <nikkia> _root, i really meant 'accelerated 2D'
[07:09] <_root> hmm, ok
[07:09] <nikkia> running 3d anything on a savage is an exercise in futility :)
[07:09] <_root> I tried Doom 3 just for fun ;)
[07:09] <othomas> :not to mention frustration
[07:09] <nikkia> 'current framerate, 1 frame per year'
[07:10] <_root> it doesn't start :D
[07:10] <nikkia> you can probably see each pixel being drawn :P
[07:10] <othomas> root: doom 1 will work in single player mode..good as it gets
[07:10] <_root> hehehe
[07:10] <othomas> heh
[07:10] <_root> I've got 2 more problems
[07:11] <nikkia> if i was buying a laptop today, i'd go out of my way to find something nvidia
[07:11] <_root> but they are not really important
[07:11] <apokryphos> _root: are you logged on as root?
[07:11] <_root> no
[07:11] <othomas> lol
[07:11] <_root> kubuntu has got a disable root accoutn
[07:11] <apokryphos> or running your irc client as root
[07:12] <_root> why do you think that ?
[07:12] <othomas> me me me..i get to format his disk
[07:12] <_root> only of the name root ?
[07:12] <othomas> :jokingt
[07:13] <apokryphos> _root: yes. Type a whois _root
[07:14] <_root> root as name is cool
[07:14] <_root> ;)
[07:15] <_root> does anyone know something about "pivot_root" directory not found" message from grub (?) ?
[07:16] <_root> there's no problem at all, but it's just saying that
[07:16] <_root> and during boot, I got "setting up general console font" (fail)
[07:21] <othomas> well, gonna burn a CD..BBS..take care
[07:23] <_root> oops
[07:23] <_root> alt+print+s u b is working :D
[07:27] <_root> everybody gone ?
[07:27] <foodcoman> _root: Console font failed is because gdm is not display manager... Kubuntu Breezy is using KDM True?
[07:29] <_root> i'm using hoary
[07:29] <_root> with kdm
[07:30] <_root> kdm is standard
[07:30] <kingconfessor> has anyone been having problems with booting lately, I should say, after installing the recent updates?
[07:30] <_root> not with booting ...
[07:30] <kingconfessor> my pc boots and crashes midboot
[07:30] <kingconfessor> i have to hard reboot, and then it usually completes booting
[07:31] <kingconfessor> and i've noticed sometimes my mouse will randomly stop working, its a microsoft optical, corded mouse
[07:31] <kingconfessor> so then i have to navigate via keyboard, and usually i just reboot
[07:31] <foodcoman> Mine has been clean with clean breezy installs.
[07:32] <kingconfessor> i'm almost wondering if its a hardware failure, because when i boot windows, it sometimes freezes in the boot process, but then again, thats what m$ is good for
[07:33] <_root> where does it freeze ?
[07:33] <_root> during the first MS logo ?
[07:33] <kingconfessor> well with ms, yeah, during the ms logo, as the status bar is moving back and forth, but sometimes it freezes before that
[07:34] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: Definately suspect behavior.
[07:34] <kingconfessor> with kubuntu, it freezes as its going down the list, initializing services and such
[07:34] <lonewolff> kingconfessor: does it always do it at the same serivce, or is it random?
[07:35] <foodcoman> There was a recent Grub update within the last 2 days.
[07:35] <kingconfessor> it seems to be occuring at certain spots, as far as i can tell
[07:35] <foodcoman> Seems odd both OS's would hiccup.
[07:35] <kingconfessor> thats what i was thinking foodcoman
[07:35] <_root> well, sometimes my windows boot freezes to right after loading the logo
[07:36] <_root> but this must be grub, before grub there was no problem
[07:37] <kingconfessor> i don't know though, windows freezing doesn't make me a believer though, i mean thats standard M$ behavior
[07:37] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: What version of XP?
[07:37] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: What version of 2k?
[07:38] <kingconfessor> i think maybe its the updates i've been downloading, because it was running fine until a few weeks ago when i dled some updates
[07:38] <kingconfessor> xp
[07:38] <kingconfessor> service pack 1 i think
[07:38] <lonewolff> kingconfessor: do you know if one of them was a grub update?
[07:38] <foodcoman> The HAL in XP is not that poor.
[07:38] <kingconfessor> i'm not sure, can i check through synaptic?
[07:39] <foodcoman> Unless you are running some wild Hardware, you typically dont seem machine dying on XP boot unless they have had the OS rooted by Adware or Spyware of Virus.
[07:39] <kingconfessor> none of that crap on my machine
[07:39] <foodcoman> NTFS is fairly solid.
[07:39] <kingconfessor> the xp failure isn't very often
[07:40] <kingconfessor> but the kubuntu failure is every time i start my machine
[07:40] <Noriega> how many CDs are kubuntu on?
[07:40] <foodcoman> Random hangs on boot seem suspect to hardware I think if it spans 2 OS's.  But who knows.
[07:40] <lonewolff> Noriega: 1 disc
[07:40] <Noriega> oh
[07:41] <kingconfessor> grub .95 + cvs20040624
[07:41] <laser_tk> No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do:
[07:41] <laser_tk>    1. They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    2. Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing down the system as they do so - okay, Windows does that.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    3. Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard disk - okay, Windows does that too.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    4. Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, along with valuable programs and systems. Sigh... Windows does that, too.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    5. Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect their system is too slow (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. Yup, that's with Windows, too.
[07:41] <kingconfessor> i don't think thats the new grub
[07:41] <laser_tk> Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there are fundamental differences:Viruses are well supported by their authors, are running on most systems, their program code is fast, compact and efficient and they tend to become more sophisticated as they mature. So Windows is not a virus. It's a bug.
[07:41] <Noriega> but I can install it on its own, right? I don't need to install ubuntu first, then upgrade?
[07:41] <laser_tk> :P
[07:42] <foodcoman> Noriega: Yes
[07:42] <Noriega> at which part of the question? :)
[07:42] <foodcoman> Kubuntu = Ubuntu Core with KDE (Not Gnome)
[07:43] <kingconfessor> i don't think its a grub problem though, as it makes it past grub, but it fails as kubuntu is booting
[07:43] <foodcoman> You can run both if you choose however.
[07:43] <Noriega> aha
[07:43] <Noriega> but the difference between Gnome and KDE is mainly graphical, or?
[07:43] <foodcoman> Noriega: True
[07:43] <Noriega> I see
[07:44] <Noriega> thanks
[07:44] <kingconfessor> i'm thinking i should just wait for the new official release, and delete partition then install the new release
[07:45] <kingconfessor> its just really annoying, having my pc crash everytime i boot
[07:45] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: Might have been a hiccup in a patch and your machine???
[07:45] <kingconfessor> i think the hiccup is in some patch i recently downloaded
[07:45] <foodcoman> I did 2 fresh installs of Breezy preview and been Apt updating them.
[07:45] <foodcoman> Very minor issues.
[07:46] <kingconfessor> did you delete the old os and do a fresh install, or install right over the old?
[07:46] <foodcoman> 2 seperate machines, with totaly seperate hardware specs.  1) 500mhz 2) 2.8 ghz.
[07:47] <kingconfessor> are you using the i386 or i686 kernel
[07:47] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: I booted the cd and had the Partition mangler replace the partions, I upgrade from EXT to reiser.
[07:47] <Noriega> ah, one more thing: if I have two hard drives, and I use one for Windows and one for Linux, can I gain access to the other hd's files?
[07:47] <foodcoman> So I guess from scratch.    Linux will mount many partions.
[07:50] <kingconfessor> thats what i do noriega
[07:50] <Noriega> but windows cannot read nor write the unix-only file systems?
[07:50] <kingconfessor> correct
[07:50] <Noriega> ok
[07:51] <Noriega> I'm thinking of a dual boot, just to learn some more on how linux works
[07:51] <kingconfessor> thats what i do
[07:51] <Noriega> but I couldn't remove windows because the rest of the family need it ;)
[07:51] <Noriega> aha, so you have 2 partitions?
[07:51] <kingconfessor> i use linux as much as i can, and then when i have to i switch back to windows
[07:51] <foodcoman> Same here Noriega
[07:51] <Noriega> hehe
[07:51] <kingconfessor> i have numerous partitions
[07:51] <kingconfessor> several ntfs partitions
[07:51] <kingconfessor> a fat32
[07:52] <Noriega> ok
[07:52] <kingconfessor> and then my linux and swap
[07:52] <foodcoman> Noriega: Backup
[07:52] <Noriega> backup?
[07:52] <foodcoman> Its not important till its gone!
[07:52] <kingconfessor> exactly
[07:52] <Noriega> hehe
[07:52] <kingconfessor> if you care about anything you have, back it up before you play around
[07:53] <Noriega> if I have one physical hd with data on it, do I need to format before I make a partition?
[07:54] <kingconfessor> well you very helpful people, thanks for all assistance, i gotta get back to the books
[07:54] <foodcoman> Reason, not necessarily the software install, but also human error.  when you start seeing HDA1 HDA2 and Blah blah, it can get confusing.
[07:55] <kingconfessor> noriega, linux can resize your windows partition, to make room for itself, so you don't have to neccisarily format
[07:55] <Noriega> aha
[07:55] <Noriega> foodcoman: yeah, afa I've understood, there is no such thing as c: d: etc in linux
[07:56] <Noriega> it's all /root
[07:56] <othomas> no sugar tonight in my coffee, no sugar in my tea..
[07:56] <foodcoman> Kubuntu will mount most stuff under /media
[07:56] <kingconfessor> well you can edit the fstab so that the partitions read as you want them to, ie c, d, g
[07:56] <foodcoman> You can mount anywhere, but I think /media is the convention.
[07:57] <Noriega> ok...
[07:57] <foodcoman> My usb key and stuff all populate there nicely.
[07:57] <Noriega> damn, I need to learn this stuff ;)
[07:57] <foodcoman> also one last think... http://kudos.berlios.de and like on the kubuntu faq.
[07:57] <Noriega> sure, I could read in books, but I'd learn it 100 times faster if I could use it.
[07:57] <kingconfessor> don't think i'm an expert noriega, i just started using linux a few months ago
[07:57] <foodcoman> Good noob reading.
[07:58] <Noriega> kingconfessor :)
[07:58] <kingconfessor> but you learn as you go
[07:58] <Noriega> hope so
[07:58] <Noriega> oh, a faq
[07:58] <Noriega> anyway, some guy recommended kubuntu
[07:58] <kingconfessor> yeah noriega, faqs are critical, then look through forums, and then hit people up
[07:59] <Noriega> kingconfessor: whom should I hit first? :)
[07:59] <othomas> lol
[07:59] <kingconfessor> well like you're doing, hitting the chat rooms, and stuff
[07:59] <kingconfessor> but that should be your last resort
[07:59] <Noriega> yeah, forum searching is always good
[07:59] <kingconfessor> because a lot of the information is already out there for you
[07:59] <kingconfessor> you just have to look for it
[08:00] <Noriega> whatever problem I get, there's always someone else who has already gone through it
[08:00] <kingconfessor> not always, but yeah, usually
[08:00] <Noriega> so, is kubuntu more n00b-friendly than ... Gentoo
[08:00] <kingconfessor> well i gotta bounce, time to get back to homework
[08:00] <Noriega> or debian or etc
[08:04] <othomas> Noriega: Gentoo is a GRUNT to get going but a lot of ppl love it
[08:05] <Noriega> yeah, I've heard that you need to like to get annoyed if you want to install it ;)
[08:05] <othomas> hahaha yup
[08:06] <Noriega> but all these ubuntu, kubuntu, debian, mandrake etc etc are different configurations to the linux kernel (updated every now and then) which in its turn is based on unix.
[08:06] <Noriega> am I right so far?
[08:07] <foodcoman> That description works for me.
[08:07] <Noriega> I see
[08:07] <Noriega> whoa, there's a live CD version of kubuntu!?
[08:08] <othomas> yeah ur right, the new debian release does not work on these old pc parts
[08:08] <othomas> yep there is
[08:08] <Noriega> "The live CD allows you to try Kubuntu without changing your computer at all." so it's like Knoppix?
[08:08] <Noriega> boot cd
[08:08] <othomas> uhhuh
[08:08] <foodcoman> slow, but a good test drive.
[08:08] <Noriega> far out, I'll download it right away :)
[08:08] <Noriega> aha
[08:09] <othomas> the live CD worked fine but the install hangs on my puter
[08:09] <foodcoman> I like the concept, if you saved all your configuration on a usb key, you basically could take your limited OS with you anywhere, BootCD and USB Key.
[08:10] <Noriega> othomas :/
[08:10] <foodcoman> That is what Mandrake Move was trying to accomplish.
[08:10] <Noriega> foodcoman: good idea, can it be done?
[08:10] <Noriega> aha
[08:10] <foodcoman> Sure it can!
[08:10] <foodcoman> Once again......Slow and limitations.
[08:10] <Noriega> can I mount my hd in it?
[08:11] <Noriega> btw are there any good desktop publishing program for Linux?
[08:11] <othomas> actually, it is a great idea as long as your not into fine tuning to your taste
[08:11] <foodcoman> True that othomas!
[08:11] <Noriega> I saw one... PageStream
[08:12] <foodcoman> Do you need fancy or just advance Word processing?
[08:12] <othomas> ewww fancy or advanced...LOL
[08:12] <foodcoman> Kubuntu Live with come with OpenOffice 2 Beta.  Writer, Draw, Impression, Calc, blah suite.
[08:13] <othomas> *passes a cigar
[08:13] <Noriega> prferably fancier ;)
[08:13] <Noriega> to make pdfs and whatnot
[08:14] <foodcoman> OOo will export to PDF, but may not have the bells you need.
[08:14] <Noriega> and with more freedom for layout
[08:14] <Noriega> bells?
[08:14] <foodcoman> More freedom for layout = Nude beach.
[08:14] <Spudchat> lol
[08:14] <foodcoman> bells = bling bling
[08:14] <foodcoman> Fancy options.
[08:14] <foodcoman> Advanced features
[08:14] <othomas> OMG..such filth on IRC!! shame!
[08:14] <foodcoman> hehehe
[08:15] <othomas> heh
[08:15] <foodcoman> I am drawing a picture like and artist.
[08:15] <Noriega> where are you guys from?
[08:15] <othomas> SC, US here
[08:15] <foodcoman> "Men are from Mars"
[08:16] <Noriega> SC = South Carolina?
[08:16] <Spudchat> chicago
[08:16] <Noriega> had any hurricane yet?
[08:16] <othomas> women from venus
[08:16] <foodcoman> Oregon
[08:16] <Noriega> Sweden here
[08:16] <othomas> i used to live in oregon, what part foodco?
[08:17] <foodcoman> Eugene
[08:17] <othomas> ahhh college town
[08:17] <libben> anyone knows in wich package the "Saab" font resides in?
[08:17] <foodcoman> I am only telling you this because I have payed for my crimes and am a lawful person now.
[08:17] <foodcoman> =)
[08:18] <othomas> LOL
[08:18] <othomas> sorry libbon, not me
[08:18] <othomas> *libben
[08:18] <foodcoman> No clue here.
[08:19] <othomas> !ALARM !ALARM!
[08:19] <ubotu> othomas: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:19] <Noriega> libben: a font used by the car's commercials??
[08:19] <Noriega> *in
[08:20] <Noriega> then it might be specially made for them, and it's not available for others
[08:21] <foodcoman> I saw a great commercial, I think VW... Suicide Bomber tried to blow up car and it just blows up inside car only!  Windows go black.
[08:21] <libben> well,
[08:21] <libben> i had a font earlier, thats named saab
[08:21] <libben> and it was stylish,.
[08:21] <Noriega> oh
[08:21] <Noriega> foodcoman: not red?
[08:22] <libben> i installed two font packages at that time,.. one was msstcorefonts and the other i cant remember, it was a popular i think
[08:22] <Noriega> I guess they lost terrorists as a consumer group then
[08:23] <foodcoman> Here it is.
[08:23] <foodcoman> http://falsepositives.blogspot.com/vw-suicide-bomber.mov
[08:23] <othomas> libben: start here.. http://guca.sourceforge.net/typography/fonts/saab/
[08:23] <othomas> wb _root
[08:24] <_root> hi
[08:25] <foodcoman> What repo has the MS codecs?
[08:26] <_root> dunno
[08:29] <foodcoman> hrmmm.
[08:31] <libben> foodcoman: enable all repos on synaptic
[08:32] <foodcoman> libben: You think breezy will have the line?
[08:32] <johlin> I have got a iso with my unattended windows xp sp2 installation cd. I've heard that instead of burning it, you can mount it, copy to a hd-parttition and then tell grub to boot from it. How would I do this?
[08:32] <johlin> I know how to mount an iso-image, but not the rest
[08:33] <foodcoman> I saw a website once on this.
[08:34] <foodcoman> mkisofs is one of the commands
[08:34] <foodcoman> I think then its a mount command after that.
[08:34] <othomas> i thought you just pushed "play"
[08:34] <johlin> play?
[08:34] <foodcoman> Google with that info and you should get a hit.
[08:34] <foodcoman> mount iso mkisofs
[08:34] <johlin> yeah, I'll try
[08:34] <foodcoman> =)
[08:35] <johlin> and after that, I think just copy it to the root of an emtpy partiton and then tell grub to boot from it
[08:35] <johlin> but I'll tell you what google tells me
[08:35] <othomas> if you have an empty partition, why not install it?
[08:35] <foodcoman> Sorry I dont have more.  Its been awhile since I read it.
[08:36] <Noriega> well, I'll try the Kubuntu Live CD later then, bye!
[08:36] <foodcoman> I was looking at it from the crypto loopback aspect.
[08:36] <johlin> first hit tells me it's not possible, but I've read a thread on neowin somewhere that said it is indeed possible :-/
[08:37] <othomas> yes it is, but i don't remember how to do it..
[08:37] <foodcoman> Ok, I gotta go get lunch for me and my boy!  Then I will get online from home.  1/2 day saweet.
[08:37] <johlin> okay
[08:37] <johlin> bye
[08:37] <johlin> http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=3a995bc559876ad3ed0f3f8c361b1585&showtopic=305843
[08:37] <othomas> lol, bye
[08:37] <johlin> that is the thread by the way
[08:40] <othomas> it doesn't open johlin
[08:40] <johlin> what doesn't open?
[08:40] <johlin> othomas
[08:40] <othomas> ur web addy
[08:41] <johlin> the link?
[08:41] <othomas> uhhuh
[08:41] <johlin> or what? sorry. what web addy?
[08:41] <othomas> http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=3a995bc559876ad3ed0f3f8c361b1585&showtopic=305843
[08:42] <johlin> what about that doesn't work?
[08:42] <othomas> it doesn't open when i click it
[08:43] <johlin> try copying and pasting, does that work?
[08:43] <othomas> sec
[08:44] <johlin> othomas: if not, try this: http://tinyurl.com/a8947
[08:44] <othomas> yep..:) that works
[08:44] <johlin> what irc-client do you use?
[08:44] <johlin> the link opens fine in Konversation
[08:44] <othomas> right now is X-chat
[08:44] <libben> anyone has a deb file or place to get some homemade deb files that work? i need a deb file of the newest java. 1.5.04
[08:45] <johlin> isn't that on apt-get then?
[08:45] <libben> not the newest.
[08:45] <johlin> updated the list? added universe respository?
[08:46] <othomas> if you dl it from sun, you get a bin file..then make it executable and then type ./java***.bin and it installs, you need to be root when you do this
[08:47] <laszlok> does anyone have the newest firefox installed from apt-get?
[08:48] <othomas> i have 1.06
[08:48] <johlin> I have it too
[08:48] <johlin> anyone knows what qt to install to make firefox look good, as it does in gnome?
[08:49] <libben> made this step, download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[08:49] <othomas> gnome?.. lol
[08:49] <johlin> yes?
[08:50] <othomas> it looks the same in gnome or kde to me
[08:50] <johlin> ok, could you please look in kynaptic, use the find-thing, type qt and tell me what qt-packages you have?
[08:50] <johlin> that would be nice
[08:51] <othomas> sec
[08:51] <johlin> thanks
[08:52] <libben> hmm
[08:52] <libben> when i type java -version
[08:52] <othomas> <IP_ADDRESS>-7
[08:52] <johlin> or...othomas, sorry. I meant gtk
[08:52] <libben> i get java version "1.4.2"
[08:52] <johlin> I think
[08:52] <johlin> hmm
[08:54] <laszlok> actually the .bin just extracts to the current directory
[08:54] <laszlok> you can install it in your home or in /usr/
[08:54] <laszlok> if you want it to be recognized as installed, you have to change /usr/bin/java to point to the new jre
[08:55] <libben> how
[08:55] <libben> im a noob
[08:55] <libben> so im asking u how.
[08:55] <libben> and i wanna know what i have on my system
[09:02] <othomas> !OMG! it's beer time in Berlin!
[09:02] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, othomas
[09:02] <othomas>  !OMG! it's beer time in Berlin!
[09:03] <othomas> hi gdh
[09:04] <othomas> hi kalen
[09:04] <gdh> =)
[09:04] <othomas> another great day..:)
[09:05] <kalenedrael> Hello.
[09:06] <othomas>  :)
[09:06] <laszlok> johlin: make firefox look like kde?
[09:07] <libben> laszlok: ive installed my own made deb package.
[09:07] <othomas> gads, i hate that..lol
[09:07] <libben> but it still says 1.4.2 on java --version
[09:08] <othomas> i installed the sun package and it works fine
[09:08] <libben> http://pastebin.com/365762
[09:08] <laszlok> johlin: you can use a theme or the gtk-qt engine to make firefox look like a kde app
[09:10] <Tm_T> I thought to buy Ubuntu-mug
[09:10] <Tm_T> but can't :/
[09:11] <othomas> sorry TM
[09:12] <libben> anyone has any help for me on the java thingy from my pastebin?
[09:14] <laszlok> libben: there is a symbolic link pointing to java 1.4.2 in /etc/alternatives
[09:14] <laszlok> when you type java -version
[09:14] <laszlok> it goes to /usr/bin/java which links to /etc/alternatives/java which links to /usr/lib/j2se/1.4
[09:15] <othomas> libben: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[09:16] <libben> jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin othomas allready downloaded this bin and made a deb of it with fakeroot and make-jpkg
[09:16] <libben> laszlok: how can i deinstall the j2se/1.4 ?
[09:18] <othomas> no quotes thought
[09:18] <othomas> though
[09:18] <othomas> too
[09:19] <libben> no quotes ?
[09:19] <libben> http://pastebin.com/365779
[09:19] <libben> i have the folder
[09:19] <libben> but why does java-version says 1.4.2 ?
[09:19] <libben> where is this existing and how can i remove it and get the new java in
[09:20] <othomas> just do the new one, it will remove the old one..
[09:20] <othomas> forget makeing it a deb package
[09:21] <libben> hmm... i get some errors in the beggining when im doing the deb file from a bin file. can be that... anyone has a good deb file?
[09:22] <othomas> forget that..just do the make executable and then do the ./<filename> thing
[09:23] <libben> well, problem is i dont know that step =)
[09:25] <othomas> ok, open konqueror as root..find the file and right click..select properties, select executable, close konqueror.. open root window.. type ./<filename> and then say yes to license prompt
[09:27] <fabbio> hey
[09:27] <othomas> hi fabbio
[09:27] <fabbio> is any kubuntu expert here ?
[09:27] <fabbio> Helle othomas
[09:27] <othomas> lol nmot me
[09:28] <fabbio> :(
[09:28] <othomas> not too
[09:29] <libben> othomas: is that all?
[09:29] <othomas> apokyphos is pretty good but he is away..:(
[09:29] <fabbio> bah ..
[09:29] <fabbio> i'll get a solution alone
[09:29] <fabbio> thanks
[09:30] <othomas> sorry
[09:30] <fabbio> :)
[09:30] <othomas> what's the question?
[09:30] <fabbio> mmhh ... usb problem
[09:30] <othomas> eckk..what's the error?
[09:31] <laszlok> ok find out where the deb installed the java 1.5
[09:31] <fabbio> is it for me ?
[09:31] <fabbio> What the point with java ???
[09:31] <libben> no
[09:31] <libben> its for me
[09:31] <fabbio> ok :d
[09:31] <fabbio> :)
[09:32] <libben> laszlok: im doing the ./filename.bin now
[09:32] <othomas> fabbio: what's the error
[09:32] <fabbio>  <othomas> sorry
[09:32] <fabbio> well
[09:32] <othomas>  :)
[09:32] <fabbio> i don't succeed in getting my usb flash memory visible from the "media center" of Kde
[09:32] <libben> othomas: still says 1.4.2 when i do a java -version
[09:33] <fabbio> I can browse it
[09:33] <fabbio> with a console
[09:33] <fabbio> in /media/sda1
[09:33] <fabbio> but it remains invisible in the "media:/" in nautilus
[09:33] <othomas> fabbio: now that's weird
[09:34] <fabbio> I was wondering where to configure this ...
[09:34] <mendred> fabbio: u using breezy>
[09:34] <mendred> ?
[09:34] <fabbio> yes
[09:34] <mendred> see i had the problem today morning
[09:34] <mendred> then i did an upgrade
[09:34] <mendred> and it started working
[09:34] <libben> laszlok: wanna remote my box ? and check in it for a sec... ? i really wanna know what the problem is.
[09:35] <fabbio> well i did an upgrade yesterday
[09:35] <othomas> ewww, provocative
[09:35] <fabbio> but i 'm gonna try afgain
[09:35] <mendred> othomas : ??
[09:36] <othomas> just an outside comment..
[09:36] <othomas>  :)
[09:36] <mendred> fabbio: breezy is changing real fast..i am like upgrading nearly every 8 to 9 hours
[09:36] <mendred> :)
[09:36] <fabbio> ok
[09:36] <othomas> breezy install hung when it hit my USB drives
[09:36] <fabbio> thantks
[09:36] <mendred> othomas: ?
[09:37] <mendred> othomas: u are doing a fresh install?
[09:37] <mendred> othomas: i upgraded it from hoary so no issues here
 I'm not very familiar with kynaptic, but it says that my system is uptodate and doesn't need to be upgraded
[09:39] <fabbio> maybe have i a bad source list ?
[09:39] <fabbio> for the repositories ...
[09:40] <libben> othomas:
[09:40] <libben> now what'
[09:40] <libben> done the part
[09:40] <_mendred> try reloading
[09:41] <_mendred> the package list
[09:41] <libben> ./file.bin
[09:41] <_mendred> nah doubt u have a bad source list
[09:43] <othomas> lot of lag today...whew
[09:44] <othomas> cya blowjob
[09:45] <othomas> waves at remaining crowd.. :)
[09:45] <laszlok> sudo apt-get remove j2se1.4
[09:45] <laszlok> but it look closely at what is says to make sure it doesnt try to reinstall
[09:45] <laszlok> another java
[09:45] <laszlok> it might not recongzine the deb you installed as satisfying java requirments for openoffice
[09:45] <laszlok> it might be better just to leave j2se1.4 installed, and change the /usr/bin/java link to java1.5
[09:47] <johlin> I have a problem. When I restart or shut down the computer, first kicker crashes, and then kubuntu can't acess klauncher
[09:47] <johlin> is this know problem?
[09:48] <othomas> not that i know of
[09:48] <fabbio> neither I am
[09:55] <libben> I dont get it, why cant i get a simple help from anyone ? how to make my java working in breezy?
[09:57] <othomas> libben: maybe it is because you don't know what the real problem is
[09:58] <libben> well, im trying to figure it out? =)
[09:58] <libben> why does java -version spits out that i have 1.4.2
[09:58] <libben> when i even done the step u said.
[09:59] <othomas> libben: we understand that, did not mean to seem rude..but it is hard to diagnose without the symptoms
[10:00] <libben> well, someone wanna point me to a addy that has handmade debs that works?
[10:00] <libben> i know debian has a place like that.
[10:00] <libben> any luck for something like that for this.
[10:01] <othomas> libben: what is the problem? is it just office ur haveing trouble with? does the web say your not up to date?
[10:03] <libben> azureus wont work. says something about gzip header wrong.... and i have the newest azuerus that needs the newest java
[10:03] <libben> well, azureus will start and all that...
[10:04] <libben> but when i download a .torrent and start it in azureus, it tells me about the gzip header.
[10:04] <othomas> ohhhh
[10:04] <othomas> dl the new torrent then
[10:05] <libben> well it happends even on the update part of azureus. so its not the torrent files. its something else
[10:05] <libben> update part is the tracker plugin to start with
[10:05] <libben> then ill try to download something else. and those will also generate this output.
[10:06] <othomas> the problem might be the lawsuits hitting torrent servers..
[10:10] <libben> othomas: well it never appeared on *caugh*cauXP*caugh
[10:16] <johlin> I have a small problem.  But after executing a apt-get command from the "run command"-thing on the menu, it just says that it can't lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - acess denied, but it works fine as root, and I can run kynaptic as myself
[10:18] <slow-motion> hello
[10:29] <Chousuke> Heh.
[10:29] <Chousuke> I guess this Megahal doesn't like KDE: 23:28 <@SeppoBot> Chousuke: Ok this "corset" fits much better than kde.
[10:29] <Chousuke> Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, ;P
[10:47] <laszlok> johlin: see if any processess are running that lock the file
[10:47] <laszlok> kill any dpkg or kynaptic
[10:47] <laszlok> libben: i have time now to do a remote desktop if you want me to check it out
[10:50] <libben> laszlok: what is it supposed to say if u have installed the newest?
[10:50] <libben> what does ur java -version say?
[11:23] <libben> laszlok: what did u do?
[11:23] <libben> sry, was away... needed to cook for my gf, shes lazy
[11:27] <laszlok> java version "1.5.0_05"
[11:27] <laszlok> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_05-b05)
[11:27] <laszlok> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_05-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[11:28] <libben> ur on breezy?
[11:29] <libben> getting tired.... thinking of wrestling this problem tomorrow... nn all
[11:30] <libben> laszlok: ill hook up later.
[11:32] <_robert> is there any ubuntu equivalence to http://packages.qa.debian.org?
[11:33] <johlin> this is probloby a really simple question, but anyway. I have a partiton that only root has got rw permissions to, my user has only got read-acess. what exactly do I change to give myself write-acess to that partiton?
[11:37] <_robert> johlin: sudo su to root and change permissions on the folder you wanny write to
[11:40] <_hippie> johlin: edited fstab for change?
[11:41] <laszlok> libben: you still there?
[11:45] <johlin> _robert: with chmod...right? what flags should I feed it? _hippie: I did, when I couldn't write files to that partition
[11:46] <seth_k|lappy> Amarok 1.3 is in Breezy; my life is complete
[11:46] <johlin> amarok won't start for my any longer :(
[11:46] <johlin> great player though
[11:47] <johlin> it's bouncing at the mouse-pointer for a few secs, and then just disappears
[11:52] <florg> amarok doesn't play anything for me :(
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> works fine for me
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> plays everything
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> except protected wmas
[11:53] <florg> in Breezy?
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> yeah
[11:54] <laszlok> did anyone else notice the breezy repositories are going a lot faster now, or is it just me?
[11:54] <seth_k|lappy> just you methinks
[11:54] <seth_k|lappy> or at least not me :P
[11:55] <seth_k|lappy> I always get really fast speeds
[11:55] <seth_k|lappy> which repo do you use?
[11:56] <lonewolff> yeah same here, usually max out my connection no bother when updating
[11:58] <abbas_sahbaz>  m using kubuntu ppc 5.10 but cd isn't eject
[11:58] <abbas_sahbaz> on keyboard
[11:59] <florg> has anyone observed the fact that the kde desktop will not update the symbols when extracting a file on it?
[12:00] <lonewolff> abbas_sahbaz: you should be able to set that up with hotkeys in the kde setting dialogue, but i've never bother trying


[04:45] <friendlyGoat> hello i'd like to ask a few things about telemetry and privacy on xubuntu? does xubuntu do any telemetry stuff i should be aware of? if there was any sort of opt out thing during installation i think i opted out but its been so long and i just wanted to make sure since i dont like sending out info about my machine. if there is telemetry in ubuntu is it only for the main flavour or does it affect others? (lubuntu, xubuntu, all
[05:22] <friendlyGoat> if anyone responds tag me please so i can see
[05:24] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, respond to what?
[06:15] <friendlyGoat> diogenes, oops you werent here for that. pardon. also i got distracted. let me copypaste what i said
[06:16] <friendlyGoat> "i'd like to ask a few things about telemetry and privacy on xubuntu? does xubuntu do any telemetry stuff i should be aware of? if there was any sort of opt out thing during installation i think i opted out but its been so long and i just wanted to make sure since i dont like sending out info about my machine. if there is telemetry in ubuntu is it only for the main flavour or does it affect others? (lubuntu, xubuntu, all that
[06:20] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, afaik, yes, only ubuntu uses telemetry and flavors don't have it, you could install etherape, clo all internet apps and monitor the traffic, it should be 0 B, no activity.
[06:21] <diogenes_> s/clo/close
[06:39] <friendlyGoat> diogenes, thanks for clearing that up, i looked up all the software associated with ubuntu telemetry and used a purge command and had none of them installed in the first place but i figured i'd ask here to cover all my bases, from how it sounds im good yeah?
[06:48] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, 100% )
[07:22] <friendlyGoat> alright thanks! thats a load off my mind
[07:22] <friendlyGoat> seeya
[11:42] <arante> Hi everyone! I'm currently using Xubuntu 18.04 and I'm having some issue with the LightDM GTK+ Greeter Settings. As far as I know, it is the tool to make customization from the login screen but in some weird situation, I cannot change the background of my login screen.


[08:35] <tdr112> morning all, i hope to see some of you today
[09:21] <zmoylan_> out the door in a few mins
[09:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:26] <czajkowski> how's folks ?
[09:56] <tdr112> grand , just opened up in tog
[09:57] <slashbel> morning tdr112
[09:57]  * slashbel and ebel will be along in a bit
[09:57] <tdr112> hey
[10:28] <airurando> here at TOG.
[10:28] <slashbel> good morning airurando, we will be along in a bit
[10:30] <airurando> great stuff slashbel
[10:35] <czajkowski> hows folks
[10:35] <czajkowski> I cna join a hangout later if ye want to chat
[10:36] <tdr112> sure
[10:48] <ebel> 'ello
[10:49] <airurando> hi rory
[11:35] <tdr112> more people coming to the jam
[11:44] <czajkowski> yay
[11:47] <ebel> 'ello
[13:45] <tdr112> cztab
[13:46] <tdr112> do you want a chat
[13:46] <tdr112> a hangout
[13:56] <czajkowski> tdr112: howdy
[13:56] <czajkowski> sure
[13:57] <tdr112> I think I just sent you an email
[13:57] <czajkowski> tdr112: which address?
[13:58] <tdr112> yourname@yourwebsite
[13:58] <czajkowski> hmm not arrived yet
[13:59] <czajkowski> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/bae4cf538b6f6250bb06eb2f1d83849d0af0f468?hl=en-GB
[14:05] <czajkowski> gotta love technology
[14:11] <tdr112> czajkowski: your gone
[14:11] <ebel> FROZEN!
[14:11] <ebel> it was tdr112
[14:11] <ebel> he did it
[14:12] <czajkowski> sorry
[14:12] <czajkowski> let me try again
[14:12] <czajkowski> 400 people here :)
[14:12] <czajkowski> doesnt play well with a hangout
[14:13] <czajkowski> ok I can see tdr112
[14:13] <czajkowski> so how are things going today
[14:42] <mokmeister> hello everyone
[14:42] <czajkowski> mokmeister: howdy
[14:43] <mokmeister> czajkowski: howdy! Well, are ya jammin? :)
[14:45] <czajkowski> I'm not but tdr112 ebel and Mike are
[14:45] <czajkowski> were on a hangout a min ago
[14:46] <ebel> yo
[14:46] <mokmeister> hi ebel
[14:47] <mokmeister> how goes it?
[14:52] <mokmeister> running ubuntu 13.10 here on a dell latitude d830 ( a few weeks now), installed mir on it this morning, all still working! ;)
[14:55] <mokmeister> Unfortunately wasn't able to add anything to the mir GPUTesting list as the GM965 integrated graphics was already listed.
[20:29] <airurando> I had a lot of fun today at the TOG hosted Ubuntu Global Jam event.
[20:32] <czajkowski> yay
[20:32] <czajkowski> :)
[20:34] <airurando> it was great seeing all the guys again
[20:35] <czajkowski> facetime is always good
[20:37] <airurando> definitely
[21:11] <zmoylan-len> we'll have the tayto on standby when you're back over


[09:06] <tekeo> sure
[09:06] <deadlyshadow> Done, now let me try. :)
[09:06] <tekeo> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10106&vote=good&tan=51383260
[09:06] <penguinboy> is transgress here?
[09:07] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: make sure you update in synaptic first.
[09:08] <mrmanic> tekeo: ok, give me a couple of minutes
[09:08] <deadlyshadow> Yay, thanks.
[09:08] <tekeo> thx
[09:08] <deadlyshadow> Now lets see if Baghira works.
[09:08] <tekeo> I have to go now but can u post me a private message and I will check it in an hour
[09:08] <tekeo> ?
[09:09] <deadlyshadow> I still don't see it.
[09:10] <unome> tekeo: the date on that theme is 14 Jan 04 you sure it will work with kde 3.4.1?
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> I see Baghira in the menu though.
[09:10] <tekeo> nope
[09:10] <unome> Some peeps didn't even get it to work with Kde 3.2.2
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> OH nm.
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> There we go.
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> Thanks. :)
[09:11] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: np.  glad you got it working
[09:11] <mrmanic> tekeo: I think that theme format is too old.
[09:13] <mrmanic> tekeo: try looking under Theme-Manager
[09:13] <mrmanic> tekeo: I believe that theme-manager themes should easily import into theme manager.
[09:14] <Sho_> Hi guys ... is there an estimated release date for the next Kubuntu yet?
[09:15] <buz> october
[09:15] <Sho_> thank you
[09:18] <mrmanic> tekeo: make sure that the file extension for the file that you download (or the file inside of the tar.gz that you download) is a .kth file.  .kth files should automagically import into theme manager and be available the next time you go to pick a theme.
[09:19] <Neuromantik> arghhh @2 sound
[09:20] <mrmanic> tekeo: you just have to click them to run them after unpacking them from the tar.gz
[09:21] <Neuromantik> anyone know where the kernel is ?   nothing in /usr/src/linux
[09:21] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: what exactly are you trying to do?
[09:21] <Neuromantik> get sound working
[09:21] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: kernel sources aren't installed by default in kubuntu, I don't think
[09:21] <Neuromantik> yikes
[09:21] <Neuromantik> well
[09:21] <Neuromantik> hmm
[09:22] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: does your sound card show up under lspci?
[09:22] <Neuromantik> yep
[09:22] <Neuromantik> and alsamixer shows the channels as unmuted
[09:22] <Neuromantik> 0000:01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[09:23] <poco> hi
[09:23] <Neuromantik> brb
[09:24] <mrmanic> hi poco
[09:24] <poco> i got a little problem using the kubuntu install cdrom (5.04 on powerpc) : when i type a password wrong the first time, the second time the password is wrong and the installer always asks me to retype the password (for the second time)
[09:24] <poco> i mean : i can't retype the password for the first time
[09:25] <Neuromantik> another issue .... glxgears is going way too slowly
[09:25] <mrmanic> I can't help you with that one.
[09:25] <mrmanic> I've never experienced that.
[09:25] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: what video card?
[09:25] <Neuromantik> nvidia 2900
[09:25] <Neuromantik> err
[09:25] <Neuromantik> 5900
[09:26] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: I can't help you with that one either.  I have ATI
[09:26] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: do you know what module SHOULD drive your audio hardware?
[09:26] <Neuromantik> went from 7000fps in gentoo @24 : 1280x1024 ... to 280 in kubuntu
[09:26] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, ya emu10k1
[09:27] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: have you tried modprobing emu10k1?
[09:27] <Neuromantik> it's loaded
[09:27] <Neuromantik> shows up in lsmod
[09:27] <mrmanic> ok
[09:27] <Neuromantik> everything 'looks' proper
[09:27] <Neuromantik> which is why I'm going mad
[09:28] <mrmanic> what shows up under alsamixer?
[09:28] <uniq> poco: you don't get an option to go back from where you're setting the password?
[09:28] <Neuromantik> been using source distros for 3 years after using rpm distros for 3 years before that
[09:28] <Neuromantik> and now .. I feel newblike
[09:28] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, it shows the proper card
[09:28] <Neuromantik> it shows the channels unmuted
[09:29] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: is the volume >0 on the important channels?
[09:29] <Neuromantik> no
[09:29] <Neuromantik> it's set up with master @ 80, pcm @ 80
[09:29] <mrmanic> ok
[09:29] <Neuromantik> plus various other fields up
[09:29] <mrmanic> weird
[09:29] <Neuromantik> very
[09:29] <Neuromantik> like I said .. it's driving me mad
[09:29] <mrmanic> and your speakers are plugged in? ;)
[09:29] <mrmanic> and turned on?
[09:29] <Neuromantik> of course ;)
[09:30] <Neuromantik> was using them in gentoo last night
[09:30] <Neuromantik> and winXP
[09:30] <mrmanic> ok
[09:30] <mrmanic> well, I'm at the end of my rope, I think.
[09:30] <mrmanic> sorry I couldn't solve your problem.
[09:30] <Neuromantik> I want to cat the bzImage to dev/dsp
[09:30] <nikkia> argh!!!
[09:30] <poco> uniq : i cant :/ if i retry to use the installer menu for selecting the password, it says i type a bad password and want the first
[09:32] <uniq> poco: i understand. hang on, i'm checking.
[09:33] <Neuromantik> cat /usr/share/irssi/help/beep > /dev/dsp
[09:33] <Neuromantik> nothing
[09:39] <uniq> poco: it's known, and sadly there is no way around it in hoary. it's fixed in the next release. - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10784
[09:39] <uniq> poco: looks like you have to restart the installation process.
[09:39] <mrmanic> it irritates me when people grouse and complain b/c we don't have an answer for them, and then when we go and find the answer they don't bother to say "thank you"
[09:40] <unome> heh
[09:40] <uniq> that's why i've started to say 'hang on'.. irritating when the guy you are browsing to help just leaves.
[09:40] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, point them to forums..... or rute :)
[09:40] <mrmanic> rute?
[09:40] <Neuromantik> http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[09:41] <Neuromantik> ultimate linux guide
[09:41] <mrmanic> awesome
[09:41] <mrmanic> I bookmarked it.
[09:41] <unome> wow good link
[09:42] <mrmanic> It looks like some good reading
[09:42] <Neuromantik> it's a good bookmark to have
[09:42] <Neuromantik> has tons of info
[09:42] <nikkia> uniq, just think how much fun your life is going to be next week when you get to sit here and be 'support' all day :P
[09:42] <uniq> nikkia: can't wait :)
[09:42] <Neuromantik> anyway to add universe via kynaptic ... or do I have to apt-get install synaptic ?
[09:42] <nikkia> ya, i bet
[09:43] <mrmanic> wtf?  all my toolbars just disappeared
[09:43] <uniq> you can use a text editor.. or you can download synaptic if you want to do it graphically.
[09:44] <nikkia> unome, i think i'll come in here and ask stupid questions, just to make his life more interesting :P
[09:44] <unome> hehe
[09:44] <poco> uniq: thanks
[09:44] <nikkia> ./timer 600  /say what's the root password on kubuntu?   :P
[09:44] <Neuromantik> uniq, what do I edit ?
[09:44] <uniq> unome: i won't be here all day.. sadly. i'm going home to my parents.. and i'm going to help my father on the farm :)
[09:45] <uniq> neuromantik: /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:45] <Neuromantik> ty
[09:45] <unome> uniq: ah linux + nature = can't get any better
[09:45] <Neuromantik> uniq, you rock :) saved me for an unnecessay install
[09:46] <nikkia> uniq, i know its off topic, but where abouts in the world are you anyway ?
[09:46] <uniq> nikkia: norway.
[09:46] <nikkia> ah, i was thinking finland for some reason, but its all the same :P
[09:46] <uniq> grph. "all the same " :)
[09:46] <unome> norway must be far from Brooklyn, correct? ::grin::
[09:46] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: I just had a thought.  Are you a member of the audio group?
[09:47] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, yep
[09:47] <mrmanic> ok
[09:47] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, like I said .. all looks proper
[09:47] <Neuromantik> neuro@Equinox:~$ groups
[09:47] <Neuromantik> neuro adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[09:47] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: very weird.  If I think of anything else, I'll let you know, but I'm pretty much tapped out.
[09:47] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, hahah
[09:47] <Neuromantik> ya
[09:47] <Neuromantik> I am too
[09:48] <nikkia> neuro, only thing i can think of, really, is sometimes alsa will act like that if something else is hogging the device
[09:48] <uniq> nikkia: just to keep up the off-topic talk.. where are you? :)
[09:48] <nikkia> ie, sometimes if i'm running java, it grabs /dev/audio and everything else 'just pretends' to play sound
[09:48] <nikkia> uniq, UK, near london
[09:48] <uniq> ok :)
[09:49] <unome> wicked!
[09:49] <Neuromantik> nikkia, alsa shouldn' .. oss will
[09:49] <nikkia> neuro, yeah, but i'm using alsa, so it must be an issue with the alsa-oss stuff
[09:49] <nikkia> neuro, and yes, i have dmix setup *shrug*
[09:49] <Neuromantik> could be
[09:49] <Neuromantik> wonder if that's installed
[09:50] <nikkia> gah, unions!
[09:50] <nikkia> my xmms just died out of sympathy with yours
[09:50] <Neuromantik> hah
[09:51] <uniq> haha. my amarok still plays :)
[09:51] <nikkia> uniq, you know how this goes...
[09:51] <nikkia> if amarok handled AAC files...
[09:51] <Neuromantik> if amarok didn't need to rebuild a damn DB everytime I add music to it
[09:51] <Neuromantik> I might use it
[09:52] <uniq> yeah.. i know.. everything i have is mp3 so.. :)
[09:52] <nikkia> i actually do prefer amarok, at work i have all my audio transcoded to ogg, because the speakers are lousy anyway, and i use amarok there...
[09:52] <uniq> neuromantik: it doesn't have to.
[09:52] <nikkia> well, used to, these days i unplug the speakers from the PC and plug them in my ipod
[09:53] <nikkia> of course, these days me being in the office is a rare event
[09:53] <nikkia> i think i've been there 3 days in the last 40
[09:53] <mrmanic> did I read something about ipodslave debs for hoary?
[09:54] <uniq> mrmanic: experimental ones, yes.
[09:54] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ipodslave/
[09:55] <mrmanic> uniq: you just made me the happiest man in this channel.
[09:56] <uniq> mrmanic: hope it's useable.
[09:57] <uniq> it's not very mature software from upstream.
[09:57] <nikkia> its also useless if a lot of you ipod tracks are in AAC :/
[09:58] <mrmanic> luckily I'm all mp3
[09:58] <mrmanic> so much so that I burn all my iTMS AAC tracks and rerip them as mp3 :\
[09:59] <nikkia> i even have a handful of ALE tracks on mine
[10:01] <Neuromantik> ubuntu forums are back up
[10:04] <Neuromantik> Aha
[10:04] <Neuromantik> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211
[10:05] <Neuromantik> that's why
[10:06] <nikkia> ah, the jwz issue :)
[10:07] <nikkia> neuro, you have a non-emu10k based audigy then ?
[10:08] <Neuromantik> grabbing headers now
[10:08] <Neuromantik> when using gentoo .. I just built the driver statically into the kernel

[10:08] <Neuromantik> along with mixer et al
[10:08] <Neuromantik> never had a worry
[10:09] <nikkia> neuro, hmm
[10:09] <Neuromantik> nikkia, no
[10:09] <nikkia> so you're not suffering the jwz issue
[10:09] <Neuromantik> emu10k1 drivers are in the kernel .. alsa merged with the linux kernel during the 2.5 kernel dev series
[10:10] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: when you say emu10k1 for the module name, you mean snd-emu10k1, right?
[10:10] <Neuromantik> this is a specific ubuntu issue
[10:10] <Neuromantik> now I no longer feel retarded :D
[10:11] <Neuromantik> well ... I would REALLY not want to use it as a module
[10:11] <Neuromantik> it's not like I ever want to unload my sound
[10:12] <Neuromantik> I would prefer to build it statically into the kernel
[10:12] <Neuromantik> but the driver name is emu10k1
[10:12] <Neuromantik> I think right now I will be forced to use it as a module
[10:12] <Neuromantik> as I am so new to kubuntu
[10:14] <uniq> modules are good.
[10:15] <nikkia> modules do at least give you a chance to unload/reload rather than reboot if something goes TU
[10:15] <mrmanic> modules can be removed and added as necessary (for system suspend and other things)
[10:16] <Tm_T> hi kids
[10:18] <monchy> hi dad
[10:19] <Tm_T> :o
[10:19] <monchy> :p
[10:19] <Tm_T> I won't confess!
[10:21] <nikkia> witch! :P
[10:22] <Tm_T> rau
[10:22] <nikkia> ahhhhh, yes...
[10:22] <nikkia> S...T....F....U... right now!
[10:22] <nikkia> great music to have blaring out of your PC when some customers come in :P
[10:24] <monchy> is it a bougy office? like, uptight suits who are partially balding and say things like "swell"
[10:24] <nikkia> monchy, nope, all fairly young
[10:24] <nikkia> i'm actually the oldest person in our dept
[10:25] <nikkia> some of our customers are the 'old uptight suits partially balding' types tho
[10:25] <monchy> bet ya have a good laugh at some of them :P
[10:25] <nikkia> oh yeah
[10:25] <nikkia> its a strange industry anyway
[10:26] <nikkia> most of the people in it aren't that 'uncool' but you get some old fart that runs a betting shop somewhere that thinks he's 'important' :)
[10:26] <monchy> lol
[10:27] <monchy> i can see it being some fat guy named howard for some reason
[10:27] <nikkia> then other times, you get the CEO of ladbrookes in and don't notice :P
[10:27] <monchy> ohhh your a booky!
[10:28] <monchy> now that's a cool job
[10:28] <mariner> hi there
[10:28] <nikkia> monchy, nope
[10:28] <nikkia> monchy, i write software for video gambling terminals
[10:29] <monchy> so technically, you could rig one of the machines to be a winner every time?
[10:29] <nikkia> monchy, if i want to go to prison, i spose
[10:29] <nikkia> or worse
[10:29] <nikkia> as i said last night, 'i'm attached to my kneecaps, and i'd like it to stay that way'
[10:30] <monchy> always wondered how that software worked
[10:30] <liz4rd> whats the windows media codecs package called?
[10:31] <nikkia> w32codecs
[11:21] <douglas> is there a manual way to change res in xorg with a terminal
[11:21] <hon> I use xorgcfg -textmode
[11:22] <hon> but I am not sure if it is the best way for that
[11:23] <douglas> xorgcfg textmode?
[11:23] <hon> -textmode
[11:24] <douglas> oh, so what happens if I fire up a program that needs a gui?
[11:49] <Tm_T> uh, I finally got my Kmail working
[11:57] <_zero> hmm
[11:57] <_zero> having problems with arts
[11:57] <_zero> aka no sound coming out at all
[11:57] <_zero> anyone can help?