[00:31] <sistpoty> hi folks
[00:36] <ScottK> Hi sistpoty.  I've been waiting for you ....
[00:36] <sistpoty> hey ScottK
[00:36] <sistpoty> what's up?
[00:37] <ScottK> sistpoty: Could you have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/searchandrescue
[00:37] <ScottK> I got it as far as I could ...
[00:38] <ScottK> I just noticed someone proposed a patch.
[00:38] <sistpoty> ScottK: I'll give it a shot
[00:38] <ScottK> sistpoty: I'd settle for a review of the proposed patch.
[00:38] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:54] <sistpoty> ScottK: after looking a bit, I guess the provided patch is brittle and might break later on. I'll try to fix it in a better way right now.
[00:54] <ScottK> sistpoty: Thanks.
[00:55] <ScottK> sistpoty: Feel free to take what I started and upload when you're done.  I mostly just want it taken care of.
[00:55] <sistpoty> ScottK: that means I must do rigourous testing though *g*
[00:56] <ScottK> Fortunately it doesn't require special hardware ....
[00:56] <ScottK> Yep
[00:56] <sistpoty> yeah, since I switch from nvidia to ati, I still failed to get gl working again... which is good for my productivity :)
[01:00] <sistpoty> ScottK: just uploaded a building version to revu, completely untested yet though (and missing documentation in changelog)...
[01:01]  * sistpoty will fix that after a smoke, unless someone beats him to it
[01:08] <quentusrex> How to I make sure a jaunty package is built with libtool 1.5 even though a newer one is out?
[01:11] <sistpoty> quentusrex: there only seems to be 2.2.6a-1ubuntu1 in jaunty, seems like you'll need to use that one
[01:11] <sistpoty> quentusrex: so I assume you'll need to adjust the build system if it fails with this version
[01:13] <sistpoty> ScottK: crack, I can't test searchandrescue... it seems to need opengl nowadays
[01:13] <quentusrex> sistpoty: I need to use the package from hardy
[01:13] <quentusrex> libtool 1.5.26
[01:14] <ScottK> quentusrex: You can't for the archive. It needs to be the current one.
[01:14] <sistpoty> ScottK: can you finish searchandrescue?
[01:15] <ScottK> sistpoty: Add a changelog entry and I can.
[01:15] <ScottK> I need to know what you did ....
[01:22] <sistpoty> ScottK: done, uploaded again to revu (this time w.o. .orig.tar.gz)
[01:22] <ScottK> OK.
[01:22] <ScottK> Thanks
[01:22] <sistpoty> you're welcome
[01:24] <sistpoty> urgh, revu is really getting low on disk space: /dev/md0              70568272  60785428   6226396  91% /srv
[01:24]  * sistpoty makes mental note to really run fdupes soonish
[01:27] <sistpoty> slangasek: that was a great idea to make a session regarding ftbfs here from you... I've been sponsoring a number of ftbfs uploads today :)
[01:45] <ScottK> Seriously, I think I should be able to reliably type the 4 letters in dpkg by now in the correct order.
[01:46] <sistpoty> heh
[01:56] <ScottK> sistpoty: Seems to work.  Uploaded.
[01:56] <sistpoty> thanks ScottK! :)
[01:57] <ScottK> sistpoty: I don't know why we don't use REVU that way more often.
[01:57] <ScottK> sistpoty: What do you think about the lubuntu meta FFe?
[01:59] <sistpoty> ScottK: 1) I think there's also a use case for a VCS here, but admitted, I don't like bzr too much... yet
[01:59] <ScottK> I think bzr is fine.  It's certainly easier to get started with than Git.
[01:59] <ScottK> VCS just seems like overkill for this though.
[02:00] <ScottK> debuild -S and dput revu just seems very easy.
[02:01] <sistpoty> if the package is already in a vcs, ready to be modified, known by a VCS that everyone uses, that would make things simpler
[02:01] <sistpoty> however I agree, right now revu is really a good option to do collaborative maintenance
[02:02] <sistpoty> a killer feature would be to just say "build this in a ppa" button, and let revu add a link to build log and download buttons
[02:04] <sistpoty> ScottK: lubuntu seems promising, but I must admit, that I'd like to see it covered by -mobile actually (I have no idea what -mobile needs in this regard)
[02:04] <sistpoty> ScottK: so I'm basically happy if ogra is happy with it (or lool) :)
[02:05] <ScottK> sistpoty: I see mobile as a Canonical effort and Lubuntu seems (at least significantly) community driven.  I don't think Ubuntu Mobile should get a veto on this (also it's from an approved spec from UDS, so I think that decision is made)
[02:05] <sistpoty> crap, it was StevenK who's delegate for -mobile nowadays (just to highlight even more people *g*)
[02:08] <sistpoty> ScottK: I must admit that I rather consider -mobile to get it shaped and help with working out processes (ogra did offer good guidance so far)... so I don't that there'll be a veto
[02:09] <ScottK> I think sooner is better than later.
[02:09] <sistpoty> ScottK: you mean to get it in/approved?
[02:09] <ScottK> Yes
[02:10] <sistpoty> ScottK: sure thing, I actually only ignored it so far, since I believed to be already approved *g*
[02:10] <ScottK> I think we've waited enough
[02:16] <sistpoty> ScottK: looking at the lengthy ffe, did I get it right that you already gave a +1 and I can grant the ffe?
[02:16] <ScottK> sistpoty: Yes.
[02:16] <ScottK> Package is on REVU too.
[02:16] <sistpoty> ScottK: ah, thanks!
[02:18] <sistpoty> (comment added)
[02:20] <ScottK> bddebian: What do you think about an NMU for http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/searchandrescue.html so it can get back in Testing?
[02:21] <ScottK> (sistpoty and I just fixed it for Ubuntu)
[02:21] <sistpoty> :)
[02:52] <sistpoty> ScottK: what are the supported python versions atm? (looking at bug #424770, which only supports 2.5 as per debian's changelog)
[02:52] <ScottK> sistpoty: For us 2.6 is default and 2.5 is supported.
[02:53] <sistpoty> ScottK: so it wouldn't be a blocker to restrict it to 2.5?
[02:53] <ScottK> sistpoty: It's not a regression from where it is now, I guess.
[02:53] <sistpoty> ah, thanks!
[02:53] <ScottK> So I don't know that it's a blocker.
[02:54] <ScottK> I'm reluctant to expend a lot of effort on 2.5 only stuff.
[02:54] <sistpoty> heh
[03:01] <p3rror> hello how to sync a package into ubuntu from debian ?
[03:01] <ScottK> p3rror: What do you want to sync and why?
[03:02] <p3rror> well i was looking for a sponsor of a package for ubuntu, and it was listed in debian new packages
[03:03] <ScottK> What package?
[03:03] <p3rror> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/python-ipcalc
[03:04] <ScottK> So it's just gotten into Debian.
[03:04] <ScottK> We are past the point in this release cycle where we are accepting new packages.  At the start of the next development cycle, it will automatically get synced from Debian.  There isn't anything you need to do.
[03:06] <p3rror> I see
[03:07] <p3rror> thanks ScottK
[03:07] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[03:08] <ScottK> Did Debian switch to gcc 4.4 in Sid?
[03:13] <sistpoty> ScottK: not yet, at least for my last dist-upgrade since two days ago
[03:14] <ScottK> Yep.  Just checked.
[03:42]  * sistpoty goes to bed... gn8 everyone
[07:18] <LLStarks> riddle me this.
[07:18] <LLStarks> why do flashplugin-installer and adobe-flashplugin exist?
[07:19] <dtchen> the former is available for both i386 and amd64; the latter is only available for i386
[07:20] <dtchen> flashplugin-installer provides an upgrade path (of sorts) for people using the older flashplugin-nonfree on either i386 or amd64
[07:20] <LLStarks> why is adobe-flashplugin in karmic older than the one in jaunty?
[07:20] <dtchen> more to the point, the latter exists in the partner repository and is Adobe-blessed
[07:21] <dtchen> the former is community-maintained (and not Adobe-blessed)
[07:21] <dtchen> also, the former will pull in nspluginwrapper
[07:21] <LLStarks> "also, the former will pull in nspluginwrapper" bull
[07:22] <LLStarks> only on x64 may that be true, if at all
[07:22] <dtchen> Depends: nspluginwrapper (>= <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1) [amd64],
[07:24] <LLStarks> anyway, thanks for the clarifcation
[07:25] <dtchen> the outdated version in karmic is likely due to it not being copied/uploaded, it being karmic and all.
[07:26] <dtchen> it ultimately doesn't matter, since debian/postinst uses http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/
[07:26] <dtchen> (that's debian/postinst for flashplugin-installer, of course)
[08:45] <lool> ScottK: lubuntu > absolutely agreed with you
[08:46] <lool> ScottK: If LXDE folks are stuck or need help or dont know how to do specific things (e.g. seeds or cdimages) we're happy to help them there, but we dont want to shape LUbuntu entirely
[12:51] <ojwb> debian has a security fix for xapian-omega which ubuntu doesn't: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1882
[12:52] <ojwb> is it preferred to just patch the fix, or sync the package from debian?  the one in debian doesn't have new features compared to the current karmic one
[12:53] <geser> sync to karmic and patch for release ubuntu versions
[12:54] <ojwb> ok, i'll file a ticket in launchpad
[12:54] <ojwb> oh, hmm
[12:54] <ojwb> the current debian one depends on a newer xapian-core, which is in main
[13:06] <ojwb> looks like that could be synced too - i'll file tickets and see - thanks geser
[13:07]  * ajmitch just loves the fun of setting up a new laptop with all its buggy hardware support
[13:08] <j^> hi,
[13:09] <j^> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/oggvideotools - with all issues addressed it would be nice to see it in universe
[13:15] <debfx> how do I patch files that have mixed line endings (CRLF, LF)?
[13:17] <debfx> I can generate a diff using --ignore-all-space but patch won't apply it
[13:19] <c_korn> debfx: you can use fromdos/todos from the frotodos package to convert the line endings
[13:33] <debfx> c_korn: do I have to backup the file and restore it in the clean target?
[13:34] <c_korn> debfx: you can just do that in the patch. maybe I did not understand your problem correctly.
[13:41] <debfx> c_korn: you are suggesting to convert the line endings of the target file before patching it?
[13:42] <c_korn> debfx: eh, no. in the patch. I thought the line endings would cause trouble.
[13:42] <c_korn> so in case of the quilt build system.
[13:42] <c_korn> quilt new line_endings.patch
[13:42] <c_korn> quilt add file.bla
[13:42] <c_korn> fromdos file.bla
[13:42] <c_korn> quilt refresh
[13:51] <debfx> c_korn: I don't want to change the line endings. when I edit the file, the text editor saves the file with consitent line endings, so the diff gets huge
[13:51] <debfx> s/consitent/consistent/
[13:55] <debfx> patch should have an option to ignore the line ending type, but it doesn't
[13:57] <c_korn> debfx: hm, so you just need another editor which does not auto-convert them. maybe nano does not do that.
[14:03] <debfx> c_korn: nano auto-converts but vi doesn't, I think
[14:52] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f50c38a87 <--- can anyone tell why debuild complains about missing separator? I'm using tabs there
[14:53] <Quintasan> line 26 exactly
[14:59] <Laney> has anyone noticed Artur Rona touching old bugs?
[14:59]  * Laney has had three bugmails now because he's been doing weird things
[15:00] <Laney> bug 233866 for example
[15:01] <azeem> Quintasan: maybe not in the lines before?
[15:02] <Quintasan> azeem: nvm, my vim had "set expandtab" option
[15:57] <geser> Adri2000: Hi, do you still use djplay? I've got a version build without glib1.2 and could need some more testing of it
[18:18] <Rotund> Is it too late to package a new program to make it in for Karmic?
[18:20] <geser> yes
[18:21] <Rotund> Just looked at their page and they actually offer debs, so I'm not totally in the dark on it.
[18:21] <sebner> Rotund: upstream debs are usually in a very bad state though ;)
[18:22] <Rotund> sebner, better than if I'd checkinstall it ;)
[18:22] <sebner> geser: with sync requests/uploads I fixed ~10 FTBFS starting yesterday evening :D
[18:22] <sebner> Rotund: such packages won't enter the archive anyways ;)
[18:22] <geser> sebner: nice
[18:23] <sebner> geser: and now a great tip to reduce FTBFS significantly. don't do archive rebuilds :P
[18:23] <geser> bah
[18:24] <Rotund> what's an FTCFS?
[18:24] <Rotund> BFS
[18:24] <geser> Failed To Build From Source
[18:27] <sebner> geser: what can I do against http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31753888/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.cdk_1%3A1.0.2-2build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? I just uploaded a -build1 version since it built locally so I thought it was a temporary issue :\
[18:29] <geser> this is from the main archive or the test-rebuild one?
[18:29] <sebner> geser: both
[18:30] <geser> sebner: run "apt-cache madison libjgrapht0.6-java" and look at the component of the source and the binary package
[18:32] <sebner> geser: multiverse for the b-d, the other thing is universe
[18:33] <geser> sebner: looking at http://packages.qa.debian.org/libj/libjgrapht-java/news/20081228T123018Z.html it should be in multiverse
[18:33] <geser> so the source is misplaced
[18:34] <geser> or at least some investigation is need if it's for universe or multiverse
[18:34] <sebner> geser: how can this happen (source in universe, binary in multiverse) ?
[18:35] <geser> oversight when processing NEW I guess
[18:35] <sebner> you are the last uploader btw, hihi
[18:36] <ScottK> Also sometime stuff gets moved and then all the BD don't get moved.
[18:36] <geser> this seems proper investigation: see Debian bug #546040
[18:36] <geser> it mentions an improved packaging as libjgrapht0.6-java (not yet in Ubuntu)
[18:38] <sebner> geser: would it need a FFe?
[18:38] <ScottK> sebner: Yes.  Is it in Debian?
[18:39] <geser> ScottK: yes, it's in Debian
[18:39] <geser> ScottK: does a new packaging of the same upstream version need a FFe?
[18:39] <ScottK> I think sync of a missing BD is a good idea, but does need FFe.
[18:39] <ScottK> Oh
[18:39]  * ScottK didn't follow all the context.
[18:40] <ScottK> If it just needs binary new and it's repackaging, I think that's OK.
[18:40] <geser> ScottK: the situation is as following: we have libjgrapht-java with source in universe and binary split over universe and multiverse (in Debian the packages was uploaded to contrib)
[18:41] <ScottK> OK
[18:41] <geser> there is the above mentions removal bug in Debian for libjgrapht-java and a seperate packaging of the same upstream version as libjgrapht0.6-jave
[18:41] <ScottK> Split into a different source package then?
[18:43] <sebner> ScottK: source package has just been renamed
[18:43] <geser> sort of, as the API changed the new upstream version got uploaded as libjgrapht0.7-jave to experimental
[18:43] <ScottK> Even better.
[18:43] <ScottK> Then I think syncing the 0.6 one makes sense.  Are there other rdepends involved?
[18:43] <geser> and the 0.6 version packaged as libjgrapht0.6-java
[18:44] <geser> cdk, that's how it all started
[18:44] <geser> checking for more
[18:44] <sebner> heh
[18:44] <ScottK> Can be just change the BD on the one package to expect the old name for now?
[18:45] <ScottK> be/we
[18:45] <sebner> ScottK: it builds locally so imho yes
[18:46] <ScottK> If there's no other BD on the new package name, I think that's the best approach for now.
[18:47] <ScottK> It gets everything working with the least change (if I understand the situation correctly)
[18:48] <sebner> geser: what do you think?=
[18:48] <sebner> ScottK: so no FFe?
[18:49] <ScottK> Not for changing the BD to one that exists, no.
[18:50] <geser> and for syncing the new package (for the same upstream version we already have)? is a FFe needed
[18:50] <geser> it's a new source package after all
[18:52] <sebner> geser: New indeed but not something like that needs to be checked if it can enter the archive since we already know it's sane somehow :\
[18:52] <geser> FF is also about no new (source) packages
[18:53] <sebner> it's also no upstream though
[18:53] <sebner> *new upstream
[18:53] <sebner> +version
[18:53] <sebner> xD
[18:53] <ScottK> sebner: It needs an archive admin to review it.
[18:53] <geser> it's a uncommon case
[18:53] <ScottK> yes.
[18:54] <sebner> grrr, too strict imho but nvm
[18:55] <ScottK> sebner: The main reason to stop accepting new packages is archive admins have other stuff to do late in the cycle.  Why it's a new package affects if the FFe gets approved, but not if it should be reviewed.
[18:55] <ScottK> I still think it sounds WAY easier to just change the BD on one package.
[18:55] <geser> the current BD is correct (and would need to be changed if we sync)
[18:56] <geser> what needs to be figured out if we don't sync where the current package we have belongs: universe or multiverse
[18:57] <geser> and fix this mismatch of component of the source (universe) and the binaries (universe AND multiverse)
[18:58] <ScottK> I see.
[18:58] <sebner> geser: who is an expert with this stuff? We have to wait until tomorrow anyways to catch an archive admin
[18:58] <ScottK> Clearly this is more complex than I've been following.
[19:06] <geser> I don't understand why libjgrapht-java 0.6.0-5 went to contribg (the versions before that are in main, the upload to experimental (0.7) is also in contrib), libgrapht0.6-java 0.6.0-8 is in main again
[19:07] <sebner> geser: ?? -5 ist the old source package, -8 is already the renamed one (which is in main)
[19:08] <sebner> geser: Why -5 went to contrib is another secret x
[19:08] <sebner> xD
[19:08] <geser> yes -5 is the old (current in Ubuntu, requested for removal from Debian unstable), and -8 the renamed source package (not in Ubuntu, current in Debian unstable)
[19:09] <sebner> right
[19:55] <nicklas_>  hello, the built in update script for vuze dont work, it updates and all seems fine, but after the program restarts, it wants to do the same update again... now is this possible to fix or should i simply turn off the update thing in vuze?
[20:10] <nicklas_> you guys think its possible to get latest vuze version into repos?
[22:31] <AnAnt> should I subscribe u-u-s to this LP 429071 ?
[22:37] <AnAnt> note, I've attached a debdiff to fix that bug


[11:07] <jbicha> I guess you decided you're going to release 32-bit isos?
[11:08] <jbicha> Ubuntu GNOME will eventually stop since it's like double the work at iso release time
[11:10] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: thoughts of when Ubuntu GNOME will make that decision?
[11:10] <fossfreedom_> LTS?
[11:11] <jbicha> well if Budgie announced now that it was amd64 only, that might help us follow now
[11:11] <jbicha> the downside is we're sort of stranding whoever install Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 32-bit
[11:12] <fossfreedom_> let me do a poll of the community.  Will get back to you.
[11:12] <jbicha> because of that, there's an argument that we should wait until after 18.04 LTS
[11:12] <jbicha> thanks, it might be good to decide by Feature Freeze next week
[11:23] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: yep - we'll splat this over social media (just done the G+ poll) - will make a decision monday coming
[11:25] <jbicha> I'm working on updating GNOME to 3.23 Beta (towards 3.24 Final) for zesty over the next week, any concerns with that?
[11:31] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: the only big issue we have is mutter moving to 3.24 - we'll need to test this carefully on our side.
[11:32] <jbicha> I did an initial test with mutter 3.23.3; the budgie desktop at least loaded
[11:32] <jbicha> the mutter devs have made a lot of commits since 3.23.3
[11:33] <fossfreedom_> thanks - the other key test is running stuff full-screen - that caught us and upstream at 3.22
[11:33] <jbicha> it's a bit tricky to test right now because mutter and gnome-shell need to be upgraded together
[11:33] <jbicha> but gnome-shell needs an updated gjs which needs an updated mozjs
[11:33] <jbicha> and you need gnome-shell working if you want to test using gdm3
[11:34] <fossfreedom_> BTW - 10.3 version of budgie-desktop upstream have decided to drop mutter in favour of compiz - unfortunately too late for feature freeze
[11:34] <jbicha> but I'll ping you next week when it's easier to try out, should be gnome 3.23.90 then too (which means GNOME is supposed to be at API/feature freeze)
[11:35] <jbicha> wait, compiz??
[11:35] <fossfreedom_> yes - you read that correctly
[11:35] <jbicha> what happened to the qt proposal?
[11:36] <fossfreedom_> QT is still on the table - what they want is a fallback for X - they want QT for wayland stuff.  Ikey is not a happy bunny with how much workarounds and issues that people encounter with each new mutter release


[04:26] <DonG1> hey all.  does anyone have any experience getting MAAS working in Virtual Box instances?  I'm having some problems with the PXE stuff and would like some pointers.
[16:02] <mup> Bug #1435403 was opened: Apache fails to start on update of maas packages <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435403>
[19:38] <mup> Bug #1435504 was opened: API for acquiring multiple nodes, all or none <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435504>
[19:38] <mup> Bug #1435508 was opened: MAAS user settings page - button to remove ssh keys not shown <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435508>
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1435541 was opened: Spacing removed on the node listing page <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435541>
[21:24] <mup> Bug #1435557 was opened: High number of serialization issues when deploying <isolation> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435557>
[22:25] <AskUbuntu> juju Provisioning in parallel or multicasting | http://askubuntu.com/q/600430


[22:04] <urlin2u> newerthhero, tyoe a few letters of the nic of who your talking to hit tab to auto complete it comes up red for them and we know who your talking to.
[22:04] <newerthhero> ok
[22:04] <newerthhero> i dont remember who was helping
[22:05] <newerthhero> :D
[22:05] <newerthhero> i just need to add a folder to the include path
[22:05] <cheako> escott: During kernel instalation or whenever kernels are built.
[22:05] <newerthhero> that way the code will see the .h files
[22:05] <cheako> err, initrd.
[22:05] <escott> !anyone | beached
[22:05] <zykotick9> IamTrying, "Configuration failed" doesn't sound good!  Sorry I've never seen that fail before, not sure what to recommend.
[22:05] <ironchew> newerthhero: Alt+F2, type in "gksudo nautilus"
[22:06] <IamTrying> zykotick9, no worries thanks a lot.
[22:06] <newerthhero> ironchew: ok, and?
[22:06] <ironchew> You'll have to enter an administrator's password, and then you can add folders anywhere.
[22:06] <escott> beached, ask your question...
[22:06] <newerthhero> i tried that
[22:06] <newerthhero> when i copy the files
[22:07] <newerthhero> the files arent copie
[22:07] <newerthhero> copied
[22:07] <newerthhero> ironchew: no files copy
[22:07] <escott> cheako, when you dpkg -l "*linux*" are the old kernels listed
[22:07] <newerthhero> ironchew:  only some broken files
[22:07] <beached> how would i allow someone to tunnel their traffic through my comp remotely
[22:07] <ironchew> newerthhero: An error box pops up that says the transfer wasn't successful, or something like that?
[22:07] <cheako> escott: No.
[22:07] <newerthhero> no, files copy
[22:07] <newerthhero> without error
[22:08] <cheako> escott: Thus I'm asking where is this list generated from?
[22:08] <escott> cheako, and if you remember the initrd from /boot it later gets recreated?
[22:08] <newerthhero> but it's like 1kb files
[22:08] <newerthhero> ironchew: 1kb files
[22:08] <escott> cheako, s/remember/remove
[22:08] <cheako> escott: Correct.
[22:08] <newerthhero> ironchew  : cant i just add the folder to a path?
[22:08] <ironchew> newerthhero: Oh, you mean for executing a program without navigating to that path?
[22:09] <ironchew> newerthhero: You can edit the $PATH variable in Bash.
[22:09] <newerthhero> ironchew: kinda, you know the output when typing export on terminal?
[22:09] <cheako> escott: In other words "update-initrd -k all -c" will create initrd for images no-longer installed.
[22:09] <n00buntuNL> Hello guys. I want to buy a commercially available Antivirus+Firewall for Ubuntu .. Any suggestions?
[22:09] <newerthhero> ironchew: yeah, how do i add that include directory in $path?
[22:09] <cheako> escott: and the drive(small boot partition) fills up.
[22:10] <urlin2u> n00buntuNL, you can get avast, and bitdefender for free.
[22:10] <ironchew> newerthhero: path=$path+"[NEWDIR]"
[22:10] <beached> iptables and avg
[22:10] <newerthhero> ok
[22:10] <cheako> escott: It's 100MB.
[22:10] <ironchew> newerthhero: I'm a bit rusty with my bash skills, so that may not work...
[22:10] <newerthhero> dammit
[22:10] <bindi> n00buntuNL: you know the antiviruses for linuxes are mainly for scanning infected windows files
[22:10] <escott> cheako, check in /etc/initramfs-tools
[22:11] <bindi> n00buntuNL: so not really useful if you just use ubuntu
[22:11] <escott> beached, http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/ssh-tunnel.html the hard part is not the ssh command itself but making sure they can connect to your system
[22:11] <n00buntuNL> urlin & beached & bindi > Which ones do you prefer? (both AV & firew.) --- well i do want one, am a bit paranoid :)
[22:11] <bindi> n00buntuNL: also what do you need a firewall for? everything is closed unless you open something intentionally. if you're behind NAT too, that's a firewall for you
[22:11] <beached> escott, may I pm you?
[22:11] <escott> beached, sure
[22:12] <cheako> escott: find and grep turn up zilch for a handful of test strings...  2.6.22  searching just for 22 and then the 2.6 part if too many matches.
[22:12] <ironchew> newerthhero: path="$path [NEWDIR];"
[22:12] <n00buntuNL> bindi > I'm a noob who tends to open things he doesn't know sh*t about :)
[22:12] <mukti> does anyone have any good tools for laptop battery power management?
[22:12] <newerthhero> ironchew: without +=
[22:12] <newerthhero> ?
[22:12] <escott> cheako, /var/lib/initramfs-tools/kernel-version then
[22:12] <urlin2u> n00buntuNL, I have avast and bitdefender to use on my W7 setup. The paranoia will destroy yah.
[22:13] <n00buntuNL> heheh
[22:13] <cheako> escott: Yeah, I just found this with strace.
[22:13] <escott> mukti, powertop
[22:13] <ironchew> newerthhero: I just gave an example for appending a string to the PATH variable. I'm sure there's more than one way to do it.
[22:13] <crissc> is there a way to bring a graphical process to the foreground using terminal?
[22:13] <robin0800_> escott, you have to purge the configurations as well ubuntu-tweak can do this
[22:13] <cheako> There they are.
[22:13] <mukti> escott, will I be able to manage power settings with that, or does it only allow me to view what is using the battery?
[22:13] <Pooky1> wohooo
[22:13] <Pooky1> i MADE PROGRESSS
[22:14] <cheako> Text files contaning a long hex string(likely an md5) and an initrd name.
[22:14] <n00buntuNL> thanks for the suggestions guys
[22:14] <escott> mukti, i guess im not sure what you mean by manage power settings. powertop will suggest things you can do to reduce power usage and can automatically apply them
[22:14] <mukti> escott, okay
[22:15] <newerthhero> anyone know how to use export?
[22:15] <newerthhero> didnt work
[22:15] <ruy> saludos
[22:15] <newerthhero> that path=$path
[22:16] <cheako> escott: Yay!  Removing these files worked.
[22:16] <executionist> I installed ubuntu along side win7 on this pc, after the installation reboot the pc boots directly into win7 any ideas?
[22:16] <Guest40186> Hello people, i would like to have some help connecting my xubuntu with a new digital camera
[22:16] <Guest40186> I have just bought a digital camera (Sony DSC-W550) but no support for it, the cd that camed with the camera is for windows and cant find any usefull help on the web
[22:17] <Guest40186> Executionist did you installed linux on a second hard drive ?
[22:17] <executionist> yep, attached a spare one
[22:17] <Guest40186> could be the bios, you need to change the startup boot disk on it
[22:17] <ironchew> newerthhero: export path="$path [NEWDIR];"
[22:18] <Guest40186> just have to reset your pc, and change the settings of it
[22:18] <executionist> wont ubuntu rewrite the mbr of the win7?
[22:18] <executionist> regardless of which partition i install it on?
[22:19] <escott> executionist, not necessarily. it will set the mbr of the disk what has the /boot partition, but if that is boot disk 2 then it wont be loaded
[22:19] <Guest40186> i guess it does, but i never tryed win7 with ubuntu
[22:19] <zykotick9> Guest40186, i'm assuming that plugging it in doesn't show as a drive?  AND http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php doesn't show your model.  Good luck.
[22:19] <remk2> uit
[22:19] <remk2> quit
[22:19] <newerthhero> ironchew: do i need to reboot?
[22:19] <executionist> k, lemme see what the first boot option in bios
[22:19] <executionist> ty
[22:20] <ironchew> newerthhero: No, a reboot isn't needed.
[22:20] <Guest40186> humm... Ok thanks for the help zykotick9
[22:20] <zykotick9> Guest40186, lol, what help?  sorry.  good luck man.
[22:20] <Guest40186> Thanks any way
[22:20] <Guest40186> ;)
[22:21] <urlin2u> Guest40186, I see no actual support hard to say really, many that are though. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[22:22] <Pooky1> guys, how is name default ubuntu enviroment? is it unity?
[22:22] <zykotick9> Guest40186, if i where you however, I'd give gphoto2 a try.
[22:22] <Guest40186> Cheers urlin2u, well im gonna contact the Sony support and hope for the good... Hope i dont have to install win once again...
[22:23] <Guest40186> humm...
[22:23] <zykotick9> Guest40186, or invest in a card reader that supports Sony's cards
[22:24] <Guest40186> i was thinking on that :) (SD Cards) , thanks very much for all the tips Zykotick9
[22:24] <Dragon64> Guest40186 -- when you plug in the camera to the pc do you see any mention of it if you type dmeg at the command line?
[22:24] <Dragon64> sorry thats dmesg
[22:24] <zykotick9> Guest40186, wow you have a Sony that uses SD cards.  That surprising, but makes thing a bit easier.
[22:25] <daniel__> where can i download ubuntu drivers for amd gpu?
[22:25] <zykotick9> daniel__, they're built in
[22:25] <daniel__> 6xxx series mobile
[22:25] <zykotick9> daniel__, sorry - ignore me
[22:25] <daniel__> well i get crash
[22:25] <daniel__> when i open catalyst
[22:26] <alkafoo> Pooky1: the uppermost assemblage is called Unity, yes
[22:26] <daniel__> when i open catlyst center it says no graphics driver installed
[22:26] <zykotick9> daniel__, gpu != cpu, my bad.  ATI good luck.
[22:27] <Pooky1> alkafoo: how can i reinstall it? in my login manager missing this option...is there only "Default user" "recovery console" and "Unity 2D"
[22:27] <urlin2u> daniel__, this might get you orientated. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:27] <zykotick9> Pooky1, what version of Ubuntu are you using?  "lsb_release -sc" will give codename
[22:28] <Pooky1> zykotick9: natty
[22:28] <zykotick9> Pooky1, ok, but though with the Unity2D you might be using +1.  Good luck.
[22:29] <newerthhero> im using 10.10
[22:29] <newerthhero> not downgrding to 11.04 /11.10
[22:29] <daniel__> how do you give in commands?
[22:29] <Pooky1> zykotick9: I'm not shure if i understand..
[22:30] <zykotick9> Pooky1, sorry, I suspected you might be using 11.10 which isn't supported in this channel, but you're all good! sorry to bother you.
[22:31] <Pooky1> it's fine, i just really stuck
[22:31] <alkafoo> Pooky1: I can conceive of ordinary Unity being disabled if you don't have a suitabale graphics device
[22:33] <Pooky1> alkafoo: there was crash and fatal error in ubuntu which include .ICEauthority...after some changes i was able to login in and install unity 2D which seems to be working fine, so i supouse i can reinstall unity too
[22:34] <daniel__> do you need anything for switchable graphics to work?
[22:35] <escott> daniel__, there are a couple projects for different vendors. vga_switcheroo for ati and ?bumblebee? for nvidia
[22:37] <soybean> anyone here use FreeCAD?
[22:37] <zelluz> xterm
[22:37] <soybean> I can't get the units to change and its driving me crazy
[22:37] <zaspaz> hello ppl
[22:38] <keyboardtalk> can I download ubuntu via bittorrent?
[22:38] <zykotick9> keyboardtalk, yes www.ubuntu.com
[22:38] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, yep link are at the ubuntu website.
[22:39] <zykotick9> keyboardtalk, specifically http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#bt
[22:41] <berefeira> has anyone used hdparm to reset their ssd?
[22:44] <syrinx_priest> Hi again... anyone know how to set a port range to be closed in GUFW?
[22:45] <escott> berefeira, you probably need to be more specific about what exactly you reset
[22:45] <Cr3al> anyone interested in helping me fix up my first html site? I validated it through W3 and need a bit of help fixing minor errors
[22:45] <escott> syrinx_priest, by default they will be closed
[22:45] <berefeira> escott: I have eeepc1000H, I want to install Natty but need to wipe/restore to default beforehand
[22:45] <soybean> looking for freecad help changing units lol
[22:46] <Pooky1> guys, what things should i backup for reinstall?
[22:46] <urlin2u> pooky, you want a clone or home saved with your stuff?
[22:46] <escott> berefeira, why would you need to use hdparm to do that? wouldn't you just repartition?
[22:47] <zykotick9> soybean, have you tried in #freecad
[22:47] <Pooky1> I think clone
[22:47] <berefeira> escott: from what I understand there is degradation, you can clear the blocks to get all space/speed back
[22:47] <urlin2u> Pooky1, I use clonezilla
[22:48] <soybean> clonezilla is super easy to use
[22:48] <soybean> Anyone good with FreeCad?  Can't change units, the dialog for it is grey'd out.  wtf??
[22:48] <urlin2u> Pooky1, http://clonezilla.org/
[22:48] <Pooky1> well it just clone disk?
[22:48] <urlin2u> pooky!disc or partitions
[22:48] <urlin2u> Pooky1, disc or partitions
[22:49] <Pooky1> well i hope for somethink, which some my settings and be able to return them to new install
[22:49] <escott> berefeira, ie this device doesnt support TRIM. i'm sure you can do something with hdparm on certain devices to mark all blocks as unused, but I don't know what it would be. alternately you could write 0s to every sector of the disk and accomplish the same thing
[22:50] <antid> is there a repertory of possible fixes for the 'BusyBox' 'error' ?
[22:50] <urlin2u> Pooky1, clonezila is just a snap shot, you can use others to list the installed apps for reinstall.
[22:50] <escott> antid, what busybox error
[22:51] <berefeira> escott: thats it, to make it look like unused blocks, writing zeros is the first part of that, then you can hdparm to unused blocks
[22:52] <antid> when I try to install ubuntu, after the loading splash screen i get to a "BusyBox" and "(initramfs)"
[22:52] <antid> I found a 41-pages long thread about it on ubuntuforums. seems to have started at 8.04
[22:52] <Pooky1> ok thnaks for help guys
[22:52] <arooni-mobile> help;  my ubuntu t420 my microphone doesnt seem to be working.  running ubuntu 11.04
[22:53] <Pooky1> i wille somehow sole it
[22:53] <Pooky1> or just broke this computer with hammer..
[22:53] <berefeira> escott: i got it, cache page loaded, save this for future reference, thanks for your thoughts and help :)
[22:53] <escott> berefeira, i think what you want is --trim-sector-ranges
[22:53] <Cr3al> am i suupose to use the <font. tag instead?  of <h1 align="center" style="font-family:arial">
[22:53] <zykotick9> Pooky1, is your current install perfect?  If not, then you probably don't want to clonezilla it!
[22:53] <berefeira> escott: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ytumYIWynbMJ:https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase+https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
[22:53] <antid> Indeed, pooky1, "never trust a computer you cannot throw out a window"
[22:53] <Pooky1> zykotick9: my install is now broken
[22:53] <berefeira> escott: step 3 of the link is what i was looking for
[22:54] <zykotick9> Pooky1, then clonezilla is NOT a good option
[22:54] <WeThePeople> lol
[22:54] <Pooky1> i know
[22:54] <Pooky1> i try fix it
[22:54] <Pooky1> bat meaby i must reinstall
[22:54] <zykotick9> !clone | Pooky1
[22:54] <escott> antid, there are a lot of possibilities, can you describe the hardware a bit
[22:54] <antid> which piece
[22:55] <Pooky1> zykotick9: so this save all settings and packages?
[22:55] <newerthhero> why did ubuntu change to unity in 11.04?
[22:55] <zykotick9> Pooky1, NO - just your installed package list
[22:55] <newerthhero> and wayon  is it called?
[22:55] <DaVampsWin> because unity will be the new lay out for ubuntu
[22:55] <urlin2u> newerthhero, yes, but therre is the classic desktop as well
[22:55] <newerthhero> really
[22:55] <zykotick9> Pooky1, backup your Home directory and any files you may have changed in /etc
[22:55] <newerthhero> Does the old desktop use X?
[22:56] <newerthhero> any disadvantages ? i've been reading people saying they dont like the new 11.04
[22:56] <DaVampsWin> ubuntu classsis is just as it states.. the classic look of ubuntu
[22:56] <urlin2u> newerthhero, yhey all do choose classic at the login, after choosing the user name
[22:56] <escott> newerthhero, wayland is not in ANY system yet. its a few years out at best
[22:56] <Pooky1> zykotick9: nothing else?
[22:56] <urlin2u> they*
[22:56] <newerthhero> ok
[22:56] <zykotick9> Pooky1, ANYTHING else you need!
[22:56] <newerthhero> 16.11?
[22:56] <newerthhero> :D
[22:57] <urlin2u> newerthhero, please tab
[22:57] <newerthhero> ok
[22:57] <escott> antid, anything > nothing
[22:57] <newerthhero> urlin2u: escott, what's better in unity?
[22:57] <newerthhero> over X?
[22:57] <DaVampsWin> the progression of classic to unity is much like that of win 95/98 to XP
[22:57] <newerthhero> unity replaces Xorg, right?
[22:57] <rww> no
[22:57] <Pooky1> zykotick9: thanks i still try fix it, bat totaly will make backup this importent files...
[22:57] <rww> !unity
[22:57] <urlin2u> newerthhero, you will have to look for yourself we afre suport not IMHO.
[22:57] <newerthhero> k
[22:58] <keyboardtalk> zykotick9: all of the bittorrent links are broken.
[22:58]  * Pooky1 tired....solve this stupid think for 3 hours...
[22:59] <zykotick9> keyboardtalk, working here?  good luck.
[22:59] <keyboardtalk> zykotick9: dang
[22:59] <Pooky1> how is can be there 1400 users and nobody write anythink?
[23:00] <zwick> because other people type things like "anythink" lol
[23:00] <zykotick9> Pooky1, this is a busy channel - debian has 1000+ users and probably 1/2 the chatter
[23:00] <newerthhero> the stupid code still doesnt see the h. files
[23:01] <newerthhero> im giving up on this
[23:01] <newerthhero> *sigh-
[23:01] <angelicaldumb> hello there, i ve installed ubuntu 11.04 into a n usb pen drive but booting get stuck on a flashing cursor screen. anyone know what to do?
[23:01] <Pooky1> zwick: give me a rest...i almost sleep on keyboard
[23:01] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, the torrents work what torrent app are you using, here they are   http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#bt
[23:01] <K4k> Hi, has anyone seen a solution to the wake from suspend issues with the Asus eee 1215 series netbooks?
[23:02] <keyboardtalk> zykotick9: urlin2u: I managed to download the .torrent files from another machine. The one I'm currently using gives me an "Object not found" page
[23:02] <Zi-> hi, somebody can help me to fix a wifi driver on ubuntu 11.04
[23:02] <Zi-> ?
[23:03] <urlin2u> angelicaldumb, at powering on tap the space key, at the gui tap f6 choose nomodeset and boot in.
[23:03] <K4k> Zi-: what is the model of the wifi card or do you know what chip it's using?
[23:03] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, which is it the torrent app?
[23:04] <antid> escott...idk...intel pentium4 3.06ghz, ati radeon chipset, an hp "Asterope-GL8E (RC410-M)" motherboard, sata hard disk,LightScribe dvd drive...
[23:04] <angelicaldumb> urlin2u , i ll try , thanks
[23:04] <antid> (integrated graphic card)
[23:04] <escott> antid, and no message as to why it drops you to busybox?
[23:05] <Pooky1> zykotick9: on zf chanel is meaby 200 user max, and there is very intesive chat
[23:05] <antid> no, it just does. like the majority of posts on that forum thread
[23:05] <zykotick9> Pooky1, zf?  what's that?
[23:05] <antid> but i had to boot with "noapic" for it to get anywhere
[23:05] <Pooky1> zykotick9: zend framework
[23:06] <escott> antid, do you know how to manually mount a partition or fsck a partition?
[23:07] <keyboardtalk> urlin2u: http://i.imgur.com/LQAni.png
[23:07] <antid> i know that the ubuntu live cd provides some sort of partition manager, but idk what you mean by manually or fsck
[23:08] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, use a actual torrent like deluge, and get the links from the page I posted.
[23:09] <escott> antid, when you are in the initrd you should check the output of "mount" and see if the the / partition is mounted, and if it is mounted rw or ro. if it is mounted ro you can fsck the partition by "fsck /dev/sda#" and finally try to mount -o remount,rw that partition
[23:09] <keyboardtalk> urlin2u: That is a link from the page you posted.
[23:09] <zykotick9> keyboardtalk, MS obviously doesn't want you to get Ubuntu torrents ;)
[23:09] <keyboardtalk> zykotick9: apparently
[23:09] <escott> antid, that would be one common reason you get dropped into initrd is if the root partition cannot be mounted or cannot be mounted rw
[23:10] <escott> antid, if the problem is some kind of kernel oops (which is suggested by your need to use noapic) you could try other options like nomodeset
[23:11] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, down load the torrent link install a actual torrent app like deluge, something is breaking in yoiur approach the torrents work.
[23:11] <antid> escott, i tried messing with some commands when i get to busybox but it either does nothing or tells me that it has no root to this or that directory (as i don't have it installed...?)
[23:12] <tim__> nick timothy
[23:12] <tim__> erm
[23:12] <UnknownEdition> Perchè è così lento a scaricare l'OS?
[23:12] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, or just use the browser download on a browser.
[23:12] <escott> antid, the initrd is a very simple, and very limited memory only filesystem that gets replaced once your real hard drive is loaded and initialized. if that harddrive cant be accessed you get stuck. so thinks like "bios raid" or a weird sata driver, or a corrupt filesystem etc
[23:13] <escott> antid, s/thinks/things.... will get you stuck in initrd
[23:13] <urlin2u> UnknownEdition, English?
[23:13] <escott> !it | UnknownEdition
[23:13] <avid_user> I am only getting black screen whenever I play a video in vlc/movie player. If I put anyother window above the video or right click then only the overlapped portion of the video becomes visible.
[23:13] <keyboardtalk> urlin2u: I have a torrenting app. I am able to download the torrent on a remote server. But I cannot download the torrent file on my local machine. I am wondering why I get redirected to an object not found page
[23:13] <UnknownEdition> I think that is italian channel...
[23:14] <UnknownEdition> Why is so slow speed of download ubuntu os?
[23:14] <UnknownEdition> 20 kb/S
[23:14] <andrewS> what is the console command to check the IP address of a url please?
[23:14] <escott> andrewS, dig or ping
[23:14] <andrewS> ty
[23:14] <qin> andrewS: nslookup, whois
[23:14] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, not sure, this is basic stuff as far as getting a torrent running, and not the #windows chanell dfor fixing it.
[23:15] <urlin2u> UnknownEdition, your provider, it should be very fast, try the torrent.
[23:16] <urlin2u> UnknownEdition, if your downloading on a Ubuntu machine change the mirror.
[23:16] <keyboardtalk> urlin2u: all the more reason to wipe windows I guess
[23:17] <UnknownEdition> Con you give me torrent url for 11.04?
[23:17] <qin> keyboardtalk: Have you tried to save file.torrent and add manualy to client?
[23:17] <urlin2u> keyboardtalk, a OS is a OS you wont get any anti ms here from me even though I'm a full open source user, brand loyalty is so unenlightening
[23:17] <ZombieRamen> i'm having problems encoding a file i made in glc, as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1828513
[23:18] <rww> UnknownEdition: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[23:18] <UnknownEdition> I found it...
[23:18] <rww> k
[23:18] <armour> I am looking of something program on ubuntu or distro that can do same things as exinda appliances. Anyone got any ideas_
[23:21] <avid_user> I am only getting black screen whenever I play a video in vlc/movie player. If I put anyother window above the video or right click then only the overlapped portion of the video becomes visible.
[23:22] <zykotick9> avid_user, do you have mplayer installed?  try "mplayer -vo x11 FILE.FOO" and see if it show right away.
[23:22] <urlin2u> avid_user, have you installed the restricted-extras vlc should work but those extras should help.
[23:23] <tomeo> Is it possible to extract a sound driver from ubuntu and install it on crunchbang?
[23:24] <zykotick9> tomeo, ask in crunchbang support, as it's not supported here.
[23:24] <BarkingFish> !crunchbang | tomeo
[23:24] <tomeo> okay :( thanks
[23:27] <UnknownEdition> Now i've w7, so can i have it and ubuntu, and decide what os to use?
[23:28] <avid_user> zykotick9: mplayer worked. What can be the problem?
[23:29] <zykotick9> avid_user, try "mplayer -vo xv FILE.FOO" now
[23:29] <avid_user> zykotick9: same problem.
[23:30] <zykotick9> avid_user, SO the problem is XV you need to change any media player you want to use AWAY from using XV
[23:30] <Younder> My USB devices will not  automount
[23:31] <sagaci> huawei 3g wireless fixed due to patch, glad it got fixed
[23:33] <escott> Younder, make sure they are not listed (by uuid usually) in /etc/fstab
[23:33] <crash1hd> it seems that I am having an issue of too many open files with deluge
[23:34] <Younder> escott, they are not
[23:34] <Aszurom_> I have an ATI 6950 card, and I installed the catalyst drivers when 11.04 prompted for them.  I'm noticing that dragging windows isn't glassy smooth like they should be, and video playback in vlc player is desyncing audio and generally choppy.  Clues?
[23:34] <crash1hd> I was informed to up the ulimit but when I run ulimit it says unlimited how can I raise it above unlimited?
[23:34] <ichbinder> hello. How can I disable the prompt asking whether I really want to shutdown and instead shutdown directly? Tried searching the forums, but all I found was this outdated information: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1160118 at least I don't know where to click.. ^^
[23:35] <avid_user> zykotick9: Thanks a lot :)
[23:35] <zykotick9> avid_user, glad to help
[23:36] <escott> Younder, and are you a member of plugdev
[23:37] <robin0800_> ichbinder, ubuntu-tweak can disable these I think
[23:38] <ichbinder> robin0800_: you mean ltsp-manager? that's all synaptic finds for ubuntu-tweak
[23:39] <zykotick9> ichbinder, ubuntu-tweak is unsupported, and NOT in the default repo
[23:39] <ichbinder> zykotick9: ah, okay...
[23:39] <ichbinder> zykotick9, robin0800_: there is no simple way to disable this? I mean, not even using bash + sudo? :D
[23:39] <ichbinder> I just can't find anything on that topic... :-/
[23:40] <zykotick9> ichbinder, sorry, I don't know a way.  Good luck.
[23:40] <ichbinder> and it seems like it was easily accessable before...
[23:40] <ichbinder> zykotick9: thanks!
[23:40] <robin0800_> ichbinder, ubuntu-tweak no as its unsuported you will have to google for it
[23:41] <ichbinder> robin0800_: hm, kay... will check it out but don't really want to install unsupported stuff just to disable that prompt. ^^ But thanks! :)
[23:41] <kolix> Hey guys
[23:41] <kolix> I'm running into a DNS problem
[23:41] <ichbinder> thanks... I might be gone in a second, will try my power button. ^^ thanks for help!
[23:42] <FluffyMittensOfD> Hello, I'm looking for some help on getting madwifi-ng drivers installed
[23:42] <kolix> I bought a domain name, have DNS hosting and I'm trying to forward my domain to my ip
[23:42] <kolix> for this, i set up an A record, correct?
[23:42] <zromayn> now, this is awkward, can anybody tell me if is there any command to list how many files and directories there are within a directory
[23:42] <HaikuUser> hello
[23:42] <HaikuUser> girl on the chanel ?   :)
[23:43] <zromayn> hello, i've tried ls -la but i dont want to list them all, just list the number of them
[23:43] <IdleOne> HaikuUser: this is a support channel not a dating site.
[23:43] <exutux> zromayn: wc -l
[23:43] <dr_willis> zromayn:  you might need to make up a little script to handle the task exactly how you want.
[23:43] <dr_willis> zromayn:  ls | wc     :) perhaps for a starting point.
[23:44] <dr_willis> I thought ls gave a count.. at the end
[23:45] <zromayn> exutux: let me try that
[23:45] <zromayn> dr_willis: i'll keep that in mind
[23:45] <exutux> zromayn: ls | wc -l
[23:45] <Aszurom_> ah, I think I got it... had to go into openGL and disable vsync
[23:45] <dr_willis> find (options)
[23:45] <dr_willis> find (options)  | wc -l      :)
[23:45] <FluffyMittensOfD> Can anyone help me with getting wadwifi-ng installed?
[23:47] <FluffyMittensOfD> Nobody can help?
[23:47] <dr_willis> if any one could they would have said so
[23:47] <dr_willis> never used madwifi - so no idea on anything about it.. You could give more details as to the issue.
[23:47] <BarkingFish> FluffyMittensOfD, what is the problem with installing it?
[23:47] <dr_willis> !info madwifi-ng
[23:48] <FluffyMittensOfD> BarkingFish, I'm trying to get a persistant ubuntu 11.04 going Trying to get apps like aircrack on it
[23:49] <qin> zromayn: With hidden it is more tricky, but similar to: n=1; for i in * ; do echo $n $i; let n++; done
[23:49] <dr_willis> so... you have debs for madwifi-ng? or what exactly? theres most likely some redone ubuntu variants with cracking tools and others allready included.
[23:49] <thomasj73> Wow, Natty is QUICK with E17 Shell!
[23:49] <FluffyMittensOfD> dr_willis, Event not found
[23:49] <dr_willis> FluffyMittensOfD:  !whatever are BOT commands...
[23:50] <dr_willis> FluffyMittensOfD:  or in bash . they are bash history event commands.. they are not bash 'commands'
[23:50] <FluffyMittensOfD> dr_willis, sorry, my brain has been wracked with getting it installed
[23:50] <BarkingFish> a quick search of aptitude doesn't reveal that we have madwifi
[23:50] <d1kb> ls -1 | wc -l files in a directory or folder  all files in the current working directory find . -type f | wc -l
[23:50] <FluffyMittensOfD> !info madwifi-ng
[23:50] <battlehands> Im running the latest 32 bit version of ubuntu, and the bar that has things like: firefox, folder, ubuntu software center, ect... will not hide when Im not mousing over it.  This problem has only been happening today.  Before today, when I wasnt mousing over the bar it would automatically hide.  Can someone help me?
[23:50] <BarkingFish> I can find aircrack-ng, but not a madwifi package
[23:50]  * dr_willis dosent even knoow what madwifi-ng is.
[23:50] <BarkingFish> !info madwifi-ng maverick
[23:50] <FluffyMittensOfD> BarkingFish, I know, I already tried apt-get
[23:50] <exutux> dr_willis: they are wifi drivers
[23:51] <dr_willis> or wny its needed.
[23:51] <wayne_> hello all how are you today
[23:51] <escott> BarkingFish, you aren't going to get much help on injection attacks here
[23:51] <dr_willis> explains why its not in the default repos. :)
[23:51] <escott> dr_willis, standard atheros drivers cannot inject
[23:51] <FluffyMittensOfD> escott, I'm trying to just install madwifi
[23:52] <dr_willis> seen some penetration testing/alternative ubuntu vairants with such tools. so theres most likely repos/ppa's with the stuff.
[23:52] <escott> FluffyMittensOfD, yeah but your reason for installing ng is to run aircrack meaning you want to inject... so please go somewhere else
[23:52] <BarkingFish> escott, I'm not the one who wants the info. If I'm not supposed to be helping with it, I apologise - I'll leave it alone.
[23:53] <escott> BarkingFish, its ok... and sorry about the confusion. its just better to keep that questionable stuff off the channel if possible
[23:53] <FluffyMittensOfD> escott, I'm just trying to get a persistant flash going. Thats all. Where should I go then
[23:53] <escott> !backtrack | FluffyMittensOfD
[23:53] <BarkingFish> I have absolutely no idea what aircrack is, escott - all I was doing was helping to find a relevant package - I had no idea it *was* questionable :)
[23:53] <exutux> FluffyMittensOfD: #madwifi
[23:54] <FluffyMittensOfD> I'm running ubuntu 11.04.
[23:54] <dr_willis> FluffyMittensOfD:  if you want a pentration testing disrto. theres several mentioned at -> distrowatch.com
[23:54] <kolix> hey can anyone help with this dns problem?
[23:54] <escott> FluffyMittensOfD, try backtrack.
[23:58] <d1kb> Backtrack is the best distro for penetration testing. Aircrack is a packet sniffer. Both are to be used with caution. If you cant even install them leave it to the experts
[23:58] <sam555> hello all!
[23:58] <anadon> hey, how do I get apt to download the source code?
[23:59] <sam555> how does one check the log on a corrupted hard drive?
[23:59] <rww> !source | anadon
[23:59] <exutux> d1kb: if you know how to do it, you don't need to use particular distros
[23:59] <escott> sam555, you mean recover the ext3/ext4 logfile? with fsck
[23:59] <anadon> rww: thanks!


[18:20] <fhd> Hi, I read that Unity moved from Vala to C++ some while ago. I'm considering to use Vala for a new Ubuntu app, so I'd love to know the reasons.
[19:55] <topdownjimmy> Does Unity have its own Snapping Windows behavior? The Snapping Windows Compiz plugin doesn't seem to be having any effect on my desktop.
[19:56] <topdownjimmy> Not the snap-and-resize behavior (Grid/AeroSnap), but just snapping to desktop/window edges.
[20:28] <KoopaTroopa> Ahoy!
[20:29] <KoopaTroopa> Are spacers ever going to be implemented in Unity2d?
[20:29] <KoopaTroopa> It would be nice to seperate all my file shortcuts, utilities and applications


[04:33] <hallyn> I have a juju client machine and vsphere server together behind a proxy.  so 'juju bootstrap vsphere vs1' should contact the vsphere server without proxy, but fetch over internet through proxy.  how do i tell juju to do that?
[04:33] <hallyn> i've seen about per-model 'no-proxy', but can i do that for controller too?
[04:36] <hallyn> hm, or does bootstrap bootstrap a model so i'm ok?
[04:40] <hallyn> hm, nope
[18:36] <hallyn> Hm, how does one change the hardware type for juju launched instances in juju+vsphere?
[18:39] <hallyn> seriously there's an issue withthe googlability of the docs :)  I always end up with docs listing commands that no longer exist like 'juju get-env'
[18:48] <hallyn> ugh.  it's hard-coded in
[18:49] <hallyn> which is a bug, technically, according to https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.1/help-vmware
[18:49] <hallyn> that page says only hardware version 8 is required.
[18:49] <hallyn> 10 requires esx 5.5.  8 is 5.0.  I have (mostly) 5.1
[18:52] <hallyn> stokachu: ^
[18:53] <hallyn> all right i'll email the guy who hardcoded that


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[12:05] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> I do not get it, trying to install anbox on my Meizu pro5 and this is a copy of the terminal frank@frank-System-Product-Name:~$ export CODENAME="turbo" && export PARTITIONNAME="bootimg" … frank@frank-System-Product-Name:~$ wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … --2021-05-12 14:01:54--  http://cdimage.u
[12:05] <ubptgbot> bports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-turbo.img … Resolving cdimage.ubports.com (cdimage.ubports.com)... <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, 2606:4700:3030::6815:61, ... … Connecting to cdimage.ubports.com (cdimage.ubports.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected. … HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently … Location: https://cdimage.ubports.co
[12:05] <ubptgbot> m/anbox-images/anbox-boot-turbo.img [following] … --2021-05-12 14:01:54--  https://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-turbo.img … Connecting to cdimage.ubports.com (cdimage.ubports.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:443... connected. … HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK … Length: 21245952 (20M) [application/octet-stream] … Saving to: ‘anbox-boo
[12:05] <ubptgbot> t-turbo.img.2’ … anbox-boot-turbo.im 100%[[12:05] <ubptgbot> rting it now on port 5037 * … * daemon started successfully * … List of devices attached  … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ anbox-tool install … Anbox kernel is not installed! Please flash this first! … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[12:06] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> This was the 3th time, so prob why it says anbox-boot-turbo.img.2
[12:07] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> what do I do wrong? anybody
 you may not need that
 have you tried `anbox-tool  install`?
 [Edit] have you tried anbox-tool install?
 [Edit] have you tried 'anbox-tool install'?
 [Edit] have you tried `anbox-tool install`?
 oh never mind now i see you did
[12:09] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> I just follow ubports docs.....yes 3th last line.
 just a moment
[12:10] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> according ubports docs meizu pro5  needs to install kernel first, the line I copied in a terminal on my host
[12:12] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> like written here: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
[12:12] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> phablet is in dev mode
 did you flash the image?
 [Edit] did you actually flash the image?
 particularly this part:
 [Edit] particularly this part: … ```sudo reboot -f bootloader # 'adb shell' will exit after this command, the prompt will be back on your host … sudo fastboot flash $PARTITIONNAME anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … sudo fastboot reboot … rm anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … exit```
[12:16] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> well...there I am not sure now
[12:18] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> I am a bit of a noob, but here I dont have to change PARTITIONNAME and CODENAME into turbo and bootimg, right?
[12:29] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> does this means that my phone is not connected via adb? frank@frank-System-Product-Name:~$ adb devices … List of devices attached … frank@frank-System-Product-Name:~$
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 17 released? Not getting in ub ports installer
 @D4R1IN9 [17 released? Not getting in ub ports installer], It isn't labelled by OTA. If it has been uploaded it will be called Stable
 @Stereofont [It isn't labelled by OTA. If it has been uploaded it will be called Stable], K tq for responding
 @Frank Gores [well...there I am not sure now], Use this bootimg  … https://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-turbo-test.img … Vol down + power … sudo fastboot flash bootimg anbox-boot-turbo-test.img … Reboot and … Sudo su … mount -o remount, rw / … anbox-tool install
[12:59] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> ok, bit too unclear: this bootimg I understand, I replace the part in the ubports regarding my turbo related stuff by yours. (typed in terminal of host), thereafter I do vol down +power so the phone reboots....and then I open a terminal and do sudo fastboot flash....etc?
 Hum ho. I switched from RC to stable, downloaded an update, chose to restart and install... now my OpO hangs at the boot splash. Any pointers? … I can boot into recovery but don't see anything useful when I'm there.
 [Edit] Hum ho. I switched from RC to stable, downloaded an update, chose to restart and install... now my OpO hangs at the boot splash. Any pointers please? … I can boot into recovery but don't see anything useful when I'm there.
 @klaartje_b [Hum ho. I switched from RC to stable, downloaded an update, chose to restart and …], If nothing else works, try running the installer over it?
 @Fuseteam [particularly this part: … sudo reboot -f bootloader # 'adb shell' will exit after …], Sir there is no way to go back to home screen while apps are open or it's just my devices specific bug?
 @Danfro [If nothing else works, try running the installer over it?], He can do factory reset
 @Danfro [If nothing else works, try running the installer over it?], Okay, so connect it to the laptop and start the installer? Will try.
 @D4R1IN9 [He can do factory reset], She would rather not lose all her data.
 @klaartje_b [Okay, so connect it to the laptop and start the installer? Will try.], Yes. Although sometimes I 'solved' hangs by rebooting with volume up + power. Maybe try that first. Might be device specific.
 @klaartje_b [She would rather not lose all her data.], Running installer over it won't wipes the data?
 @Danfro [Yes. Although sometimes I 'solved' hangs by rebooting with volume up + power. Ma …], Will most definitely try that first, thank you.
 @D4R1IN9 [Running installer over it won't wipes the data?], No, unless you tick the 'wipe' box.
 @klaartje_b [Will most definitely try that first, thank you.], Good luck. 👍
 @Danfro [No, unless you tick the 'wipe' box.], Great tq
 A very important checkbox! 😀
 @Danfro [Good luck. 👍], It's telling me 'fastboot mode'.
 @Danfro [A very important checkbox! 😀], Yes still figuring out major difference between android custom rom and ut
 @klaartje_b [It's telling me 'fastboot mode'.], Try this when plugged into a laptop. I thonk then it won't go into fastboot.
 @klaartje_b [It's telling me 'fastboot mode'.], [Edit] Try this when plugged into a laptop. I think then it won't go into fastboot.
 The OnePlus One will always go into fastboot mode when you hold power and volume up. That's the point :)
 Will do. Fastboot is weird... it's not fast and it's not booting.
 Power and volume down moves to recovery
 And recovery doesn't recover anything. 🙃
 😂
 @D4R1IN9 [Yes still figuring out major difference between android custom rom and ut], UT is a different OS. 😀 Not an android remake.
 @Danfro [UT is a different OS. 😀 Not an android remake.], Ik just trying to understand the ut
 @D4R1IN9 [Ik just trying to understand the ut], You picked a hard task. 😬
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/pkhBm30t.png
 i ran ssh again using a new key but its the same result
 @Danfro [UT is a different OS. 😀 Not an android remake.], Like anbox is not supported on my dev redmi note 7 pro not even unofficially but still im getting it as adb dev in terminal with fresh installation of ut
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/l94mfmNf.jpeg
 @Danfro [You picked a hard task. 😬], 😅100%agree😅
 @D4R1IN9 [Like anbox is not supported on my dev redmi note 7 pro not even unofficially but …], I never used Anbox myself. I only remember that with the last OTA some sort of install script was included. So IF it is supported, it is easier to install.
 Something in that line.
 @Danfro [I never used Anbox myself. I only remember that with the last OTA some sort of i …], Great
 @Danfro [Something in that line.], Volte is the only thing that restricting me to use it as daily driver my isp only supports 4g and volte cslli no 3g band
 @D4R1IN9 [Volte is the only thing that restricting me to use it as daily driver my isp onl …], From what I know Volte runs on no custom rom yet. If you need that, you are restricted to Apple or Android.
 @Danfro [From what I know Volte runs on no custom rom yet. If you need that, you are rest …], That's main problem here
 Well, I reflashed it... now it's installing updates again, so let's see.
 @klaartje_b [Well, I reflashed it... now it's installing updates again, so let's see.], ota 17?😜
 @D4R1IN9 [That's main problem here], Gladly no issue here.
 @klaartje_b [Well, I reflashed it... now it's installing updates again, so let's see.], Sounds good.
 @D4R1IN9 [ota 17?😜], How would I know? Most likely yes.
 @Danfro [Gladly no issue here.], Here 2g bands already shutdown 3g will also removed asa 5g takeover
 @klaartje_b [How would I know? Most likely yes.], Which channel u selected on installer
 Stable.
 @klaartje_b [How would I know? Most likely yes.], No. 16 is out. If you are not on devel, it is not OTA17. Or did I miss 17?
 Rebooting now...
 @D4R1IN9 [Here 2g bands already shutdown 3g will also removed asa 5g takeover], Yes, 3g is going. But 2g and 4g are still up.
 Hurray, it's booted and all is well. It's on OTA 16.
 @Frank Gores [ok, bit too unclear: this bootimg I understand, I replace the part in the ubport …], ```I will give you more details in an hour, I have the same device, which I have been using for over a year```
 @klaartje_b [Hurray, it's booted and all is well. It's on OTA 16.], Horray! 🍾
 @Danfro [Horray! 🍾], Ota is comming?
 😃😃😃
 Dude calm down. It's ready when it's ready
 @UniversalSuperBox [Dude calm down. It's ready when it's ready], Sorry I'm too excited
 UBports Installer just saved my Bacon 😄
 (I'm sure you get that joke a lot...)
 No, actually. That might have been a brand new sentence!
 Huh. I figured that if you're using a device with the codename Bacon, the dad jokes pretty much make themselves.
 @klaartje_b [UBports Installer just saved my Bacon 😄], Just wondering if there is a device named egg to go with that. 😅
 that is a good one :)
 @Danfro [Just wondering if there is a device named egg to go with that. 😅], There is a cheesburger
 Are there any vegetarian devices? Tofu maybe?
 😝
 @klaartje_b [Are there any vegetarian devices? Tofu maybe?], @lukasz_erecinski I found the codename for the next PinePhone
 Hah! And now I'm getting hungry...
 @klaartje_b [Hah! And now I'm getting hungry...], ...and popular soon as (hungry) name-giver. 😉
 @D4R1IN9 [Sir there is no way to go back to home screen while apps are open or it's just m …], there is no home screen really. you can open the launcher and app drawer by swiping in from the left edge of the screen
 @dohbee [there is no home screen really. you can open the launcher and app drawer by swip …], Great i thought it was my dev problem
 @D4R1IN9 [Sir there is no way to go back to home screen while apps are open or it's just m …], "there is no homescreen" stares into the abyss
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 @Fuseteam ["there is no homescreen" stares into the abyss], K got it👍
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 @UniversalSuperBox [@lukasz_erecinski I found the codename for the next PinePhone], TofuPhone?
 PaneerPhone
 lol
 @lukasz_erecinski [TofuPhone?], No, it's the PinePhone whatever (codename tofu)
 Introducing PinePhone, Paneer edition
 *went to learn something about tofu* coagulated soy milk
 Hmm, nope, I think there will still be no device with the codename Tofu @klaartje_b
 Poor tofu... it never gets any love. 🥺
 @bhushanshah [PaneerPhone], Mmm, maybe we should find the ut cooking chat, I'm getting hungry, really like getting Chana Aloo from the store :)
 If egg is no good either, how about `pinephone omelette (savoury editon)`? 🥚
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> @Jaymz665 [<reply to media>], Ohw, thank you very much! I am going to study it now...let you know the outcome.
 Why not pinephone Snickers?
 y'all seriously need to take a lunch
 Imma have frenchfries
 Lunch or take the suggestions to PINE64, they're OT here.
 n'aww... you're right
 @klaartje_b [How would I know? Most likely yes.], Just got the news. OTA 17 is out. So update time... 😉
 Opa that didn't take long noice
 @Danfro [Just got the news. OTA 17 is out. So update time... 😉], Nice
 @D4R1IN9 [Nice], As a devel user, I wasn't aware that OTA 17 was that close. 😉
 @Danfro [As a devel user, I wasn't aware that OTA 17 was that close. 😉], 😂then it doesn't matter to you because you may using it earlier 😂
 As "dev build"
 @D4R1IN9 [😂then it doesn't matter to you because you may using it earlier 😂], Exactly. That is fun and risk of using devel on your daily driver. 😁
 @Danfro [Exactly. That is fun and risk of using devel on your daily driver. 😁], I choose rc
 @D4R1IN9 [I choose rc], A very good choice. Quite stable but still getting a lot of features earlier.
 @Danfro [A very good choice. Quite stable but still getting a lot of features earlier.], Btw you are in community as a dev?
 @D4R1IN9 [Btw you are in community as a dev?], Yes. That is why I am on devel. So I could test things before they got rolled out. I am maintaining weather app as one example.
 @D4R1IN9 [Btw you are in community as a dev?], [Edit] Yes. That is why I am on devel. So I could test things before they got rolled out. I am maintaining weather app as one example of my work.
 @Danfro [Yes. That is why I am on devel. So I could test things before they got rolled ou …], Dam great i was about to ask you about apps
 I am not doing system development. Just apps.
 That's great
 What we need in ut is ton of apps(mob interface)
 @D4R1IN9 [What we need in ut is ton of apps(mob interface)], True. But for that we need ton's of developers. Some core apps do not even have maintainers. Lack of manpower.
 If want to dev a app for ut then which language should i have to know
 I did web designing in past
 The UI is in most cases done in qml.
 For backend one can use c++ (system and a lot of apps), javascript, pyhton, rust, go, ...
 Pick your choice. 😊
 c++, javascript and qml are the most common languages.
 @Danfro [For backend one can use c++ (system and a lot of apps), javascript, pyhton, rust …], K i know php java c++ a bit need to work on Python
 Thats a good base. If c++ is involved I am out. Thats why I don't touch the system. 😉
 qml is fairly straightforward. A few years ago I did not even know it exists.
 @Danfro [Thats a good base. If c++ is involved I am out. Thats why I don't touch the syst …], 😂me too i even done projects with embaded c but never tried to learn c++😂
 @Danfro [qml is fairly straightforward. A few years ago I did not even know it exists.], Thanks to my previous company they trained me in web designing
 https://clickable-ut.dev/en/latest/getting-started.html
 https://clickable-ut.dev/en/latest/
 Those two links provide basic information to get anyone started on developing.
 @D4R1IN9 [Thanks to my previous company they trained me in web designing], If you want to do more in that line, Axolotl, our signal app, is using go and css and html. You could help out there too if you like.
 https://github.com/nanu-c/axolotl
 That's the good thing. So many places where even small fixes and commits will make a difference.
 @Danfro [Those two links provide basic information to get anyone started on developing.], I have gone through that on official web site even atom ide setup is also completed then i thought better to Broome my coding before involving
 I started with translations and bug reports.
 Dam u provided a full database tq
 Take your time. Don't worry.
 You learn your way around after some while. 😉
 [Edit] You learn your way around after a while. 😉
 @Danfro [Take your time. Don't worry.], 👍 its not the os which is great it is the dev and community which made it great
 @Danfro [You learn your way around after a while. 😉], Il take time I'm very messy
 So true. 😊 It is fun being part of it.
 @Danfro [So true. 😊 It is fun being part of it.], 🙏🙏🙏
 The good thing about open source is, with some basic understanding a lot of work can be done by copy, amend, paste. You tell me...
 Btw can we install posh somehow
 by using something other than UT
 @Danfro [The good thing about open source is, with some basic understanding a lot of work …], Yaah and if any onle helping it is more helpful
 @dohbee [by using something other than UT], 😂insane 😂
 @Danfro [The good thing about open source is, with some basic understanding a lot of work …], [Edit] Yaah and if any one helping it is more helpful
 @D4R1IN9 [Yaah and if any one helping it is more helpful], That works great. You are not alone. Always teamwork.
 @Danfro [That works great. You are not alone. Always teamwork.], 👍🏻🙏🏻
 To summarize, I tried countless attempts with replacing codecs in anbox (from different firmware and sources) tried replacing binaries, etc. I don’t know what else to try, but the unbox still breaks with video / animation and trying to sound. … I have a question, the "turbo" processor supports armv8, and the whole system is running on ar
[20:33] <ubptgbot> mv7, is that how it should be?
 [Edit] To summarize, I tried countless attempts with replacing codecs in anbox (from different firmware and sources) tried replacing binaries, etc. I don’t know what else to try, but the anbox still breaks with video / animation and trying to sound. … I have a question, the "turbo" processor supports armv8, and the whole system is runnin
[20:34] <ubptgbot> g on armv7, is that how it should be?
 yes. that's how the pro5 and bq m10 builds were made originally
 @dohbee [yes. that's how the pro5 and bq m10 builds were made originally], Those there were no attempts to do it differently or does it not work differently?
 those devices are built differently because they were retail ubuntu edition devices. i don't know if they could be made to run arm64 userspace or not
 i think it's not worth the trouble for us to try to make arm64 userspace work for them, anyway
 @dohbee [i think it's not worth the trouble for us to try to make arm64 userspace work fo …], It's a pity, maybe it would open up other horizons, although maybe not. As they say, you will not try you will not know
 we can't rebuild the recovery image for those devices afaik, and they are more difficult for us to keep supporting in the future, regardless
 I see
 @dohbee [i think it's not worth the trouble for us to try to make arm64 userspace work fo …], Ram would be horrible
 @dohbee [we can't rebuild the recovery image for those devices afaik, and they are more d …], We can
 We just need to do it
 And that's uhhh
 i mean legally
 I mean not using the OEM stuff
 Like how we do now
 pro5 was arm64 hardware, but there is not the kernel and suuff available
 the kernel is arm64
 the userspace is armhf
 oh intresting
 The filling of this device is one of the most powerful at UT, it costs to replace the battery and it is for them to use at least another 4 years
 it is so hard to flash those
 yeah, and they are all getting a bit long in the tooth now, as are some of the other older devices
 and if meizu ever drops their site that grants root...
 although i think they were susceptible to a attack that gets root
 The Pro 5 is easily surpassed in performance today
 The Pixel 3a in particular
 I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone buy a new Pro 5 any mroe
 [Edit] I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone buy a new Pro 5 any more
 (or used)
 @UniversalSuperBox [I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone buy a new Pro 5 any more], Well, I became that lucky guy who bought this device more than a year ago to get to know UT =)
 oh you have a Ubuntu edition?
 @UniversalSuperBox [The Pixel 3a in particular], How is it so far? with just 2g I haven't been using the volla for everyday. I was thinking about trying a new port
 My Sony xp is great but I have used it untill a dead spot has developed on the digitizer
 @mateosalta [oh you have a Ubuntu edition?], The version was Flyme, and there was no easy way to go. But TheKit helped me, it was great, especially since then I just started to learn linux (and I am still learning something new), apparently it's time to change the phone, for something new =)
 @Jaymz665 [The version was Flyme, and there was no easy way to go. But TheKit helped me, it …], Ah yeah, it's even harder with links dying and specific versions of tools to find now
 My OnePlus One is not exactly new but I'm not about to give it up anytime soon.
 @klaartje_b [My OnePlus One is not exactly new but I'm not about to give it up anytime soon.], Mine lost its Mac address, I should just fix it though is a really good device
 now even more camera features work I hear, so it seems it is the most fully working port :)
 @mateosalta [How is it so far? with just 2g I haven't been using the volla for everyday. I wa …], Shameless self-plug: if you can live without VoLTE right now I would recommend the 3a over the Xperia X even.
 @fredldotme [Shameless self-plug: if you can live without VoLTE right now I would recommend t …], 'murica
 @UniversalSuperBox ['murica], Gawdamn
 @fredldotme [Gawdamn], Wanna SSH with friends into a Pixel 3a on an American network
 @UniversalSuperBox [Wanna SSH with friends into a Pixel 3a on an American network], Always up for a little round of SSH With Friends, might do so tomorrow?
 SSH With Friends is the fun new game where you and your friends gain access to a server, but you must align the words on your screen to complete the RCE
 @fredldotme [Always up for a little round of SSH With Friends, might do so tomorrow?], Sounds ok to me
 @fredldotme [Shameless self-plug: if you can live without VoLTE right now I would recommend t …], sweet
 @dohbee [SSH With Friends is the fun new game where you and your friends gain access to a …], Better: Each of you has a different terminal width and have to use `nano` to complete the config file
 Well I don't think tmobile cut us off yet, and att is the end of year maybe?
 @fredldotme [Shameless self-plug: if you can live without VoLTE right now I would recommend t …], Is Xperia x showing progress on volte?
 @mateosalta [Is Xperia x showing progress on volte?], No, my guess is that Halium >= 9 devices will get a taste of it earlier, if and when we get that far
 cool
[22:13] <ubptgbot> ggrzechu was added by: ggrzechu
 @mateosalta [and if meizu ever drops their site that grants root...], eh? confused
 @Fuseteam [eh? confused], in order to hack the pro5 chinese edition
 @Fuseteam [eh? confused], they require a login to grant root access
 @mateosalta [they require a login to grant root access], ah you mean drop like take down
 i interpreted that as drop like release :p
 yeah, like if sony didnt have the oem unlock page anymore...
 yeah that'd make flashing difficult
 How can I have WhatsApp on UT?
 @llrTKll [How can I have WhatsApp on UT?], WhatsApp doesn't does support UT
 Only WhatsApp can bring WhatsApp to UT
 with that out the way: you can use whatsapp web but as of today, you'll need an active android or ios device with whatsapp to use that
 I know that, I meant like using anbox or another unofficial client
 "unofficial" client i typically discourage in whatsapp case because the are know for banning accoungs using an unoffical accounts
 [Edit] "unofficial" client i typically discourage in whatsapp case because they are known for banning accounts that use an unoffical client
 if your device supports anbox that should work but you won't have notifs, voice or video calls
 at least not right now
 I dont have or use whatsapp, but I use fluffychat to message people on facebook owned platforms along with discord and signal.
[23:25] <ubptgbot> SAMET ARSLANTÜRK was added by: SAMET ARSLANTÜRK


[13:46] <yofel> erm, how come e-c-m was moved to core?
[13:48] <yofel> Laney: thanks (didn't see your message over the weekend). I wonder why the bot didn't report any packageset changes, but looking at the ACL it does seem to have done what I wanted.
[13:48] <ogra_> whats e-c-m and which of the 100 "core" images do you mean ?
[13:49] <yofel> [queuebot] Packageset: Removed extra-cmake-modules from kubuntu in xenial
[13:49] <yofel> [queuebot] Packageset: Added extra-cmake-modules to core in xenial
[13:49] <ogra_> (snappy ... or infinity's minimal ubuntu-core ...  etc )
[13:49] <ogra_> ah, not sure what core in this context is then ... that name is so overloaded
[13:50] <Laney> You think "Packageset:" is not clear?
[13:50] <ogra_> the initial question didnt say "packageset" sorry
[13:51] <Laney> yofel: Probably some build dependency
[13:51] <ogra_> (and it is still to overloaded )
[13:52] <yofel> Laney: most likely, yeah. What's the appropriate way to get it back? We maintain ECM, so that's a bit of a hindrance.
[16:58] <cking> hey, can somebody help me with getting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+bug/1491729/ SRU'd? it's a little bit time sensitive
[17:00] <infinity> cking: Get apw or rtg or arges to review/sponsor an upload for you, and I'll review it in the queue.
[17:01] <cking> infinity, yup, ack
[17:01] <infinity> cking: Interestingly, the lack of dependency/ordering is why we made the nvidia modules all live in a single package.
[17:02] <infinity> cking: That would have also been an acceptable solution here, perhaps.
[17:02] <infinity> cking: Not that I mind dkms being extended to be less crap either, if it's testable and well-tested.
[17:02] <cking> infinity, whatever we do to DKMS, ultimately I'd like to see less of it being used
[17:03] <infinity> cking: Yeah.  We still need to address the elephant in the room that is enforced module sigs.  We've certainly wasted a lot of hot air on proposed solutions, but I think we still need to decide on a path forward.
[17:04]  * cking nods
[17:04] <arges> cking: looking
[17:32] <cking> infinity, arges has uploaded it for me
[17:35] <infinity> cking: Ta.  I'm running out to the doctor, but I'll look before EOD.
[17:35] <cking> infinity, thanks :-)
[17:35] <infinity> cking: If I fail to, smack me when you start tomorrow. :P
[17:35] <cking> slap perhaps, smack no
[17:36] <infinity> cking: Tomayto, tomahto.
[17:39] <cking> heh
[18:09] <lamont> infinity: I just uploaded bcache-tools_1.0.7-1~12.04.1 for precise-proposed.  pls to bless (1449099)
[18:57] <teward> how long is the xenial proposed migration to non-proposed state for autosyncs?
[18:58] <cjwatson> teward: auto-syncs aren't special for this.
[18:58] <cjwatson> teward: The whole process just runs as frequently as it can without treading on itself.
[18:58] <teward> ok
[22:02] <bdmurray> arges: Could tell me why your sru-review change is needed? If there are two versions of a package in the queue I usually just reject one, then review the other.


[07:08] <smb> apw, green (the same as the desktop) :)
[07:10]  * smb wonders what apw did at the keyboard in the middle of the night anyway...
[07:18]  * apw yawns
[09:45] <ppisati> ok, so it's either my lcd or my panda board but i can't get any video output anymore.. i tested 3 kernels already with not output at all
[10:08] <henrix> apw: do you know where the stable shank script is executed? i guess it should be some sort of cron job, but not sure...
[10:09] <henrix> apw: i was hoping to get some sort of logs from its execution.
[10:09] <henrix> apw: any idea?
[10:09] <apw> henrix, now you mention it no i don't.  i'd start with people.c.c, much runs there
[10:09] <apw> as the kernel user
[10:09] <henrix> apw: ok, thanks. i'll check that
[10:11] <apw> henrix, if its not there yell and i'll think more
[10:12] <henrix> apw: it looks like that's the place
[10:12] <apw> good stuff
[10:12] <henrix> apw: now, i just need to figure out if there are any logs being kept
[10:12] <apw> henrix, it keeps some information in the top of the bugs it updates, transitions etc
[10:13] <henrix> apw: yeah, i would expect that. any idea where?
[10:15] <apw> henrix, other than somewhere in the kernel user, not a clue, though i also think it may mail out things
[10:15] <henrix> apw: ok, thanks. already found something, but not quite what i'm looking for
[10:15] <apw> damn
[10:15] <henrix> apw: don't bother. if i can't find it, i'll ask brad later on
[10:15] <henrix> apw: not that urgent anyway
[10:16] <apw> henrix, ok :)
[11:49]  * ppisati -> lunch
[12:03] <tgardner> cking, bug #966782 may indicate an ASPM regression
[12:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 966782 in linux "irqs disabled after kernel update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966782
[12:30] <cking> tgardner, ok will look at it
[14:14] <stgraber> hello kernel people, I just went through my list of kernel related bugs for thin clients and I have 3 upstream commits that I'd appreciate if we could cherry-pick
[14:14] <stgraber> bug 911920, bug 911916 and bug 907055
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 911920 in linux "hp st5747 Thin Client Needs LDVS removed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911920
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 911916 in linux "hp t5745 Thin Client Needs LDVS removed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911916
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 907055 in linux "Clientron E830 Thin Client Needs LDVS removed" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907055
[14:15] <stgraber> all of them very simple LVDS quirks being added, all of them landed in the upstream kernel and all of them making the thin client pretty much unusable by default
[14:15]  * cking slips off to attend to a sick head
[14:15] <stgraber> as LTSP would configure a dual-head setup with a non-existing screen, thereby hiding a significant part of the screen from the user
[14:16] <tgardner> stgraber, I'll have a look
[14:16] <stgraber> tgardner: thanks
[14:28]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:40] <cnd> bjf, ogasawara: where's the code that creates the kernel bug reports like http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/_kernel_hot_.html
[14:52] <ogasawara> cnd: should be kteam-tools git repo
[14:52] <cnd> ok, thanks :)
[15:05] <tgardner> ppisati, jsalisbury, ayan, henrix: rebooting tangerine for kernel update
[15:05] <ppisati> k
[15:05] <henrix> tgardner: ack
[15:05] <jsalisbury> tgardner, ok, thanks
[15:10]  * ppisati -> back in 10m
[15:24] <apw> ogasawara, just rebuilt a beta2 config review and pushed it to the blueprint
[15:24] <ogasawara> apw: ack, thanks
[15:26] <bjf> cnd, it's not in kteam-tools it is in  a "kteam-bugs" repo
[15:27] <bjf> cnd, there is quite a bit of data that goes along with it
[15:27] <cnd> bjf, what do you mean by that?
[15:28] <bjf> cnd, i mean that the git repo is approx. 1GB due to the data+scripts
[15:28] <cnd> whoa
[15:28] <apw> ppisati, here is a config review matrix but with ti-omap4 included (based on the tip of the tree as of today)
[15:28] <cnd> maybe I'll just copy the spec from the repo :)
[15:29] <bjf> cnd, if you give me some idea what you are trying to do maybe i can give you a good suggestion
[15:29] <cnd> bjf, so we have a handful of projects, like utouch-grail, utouch-geis, utouch-frame, etc.
[15:29] <cnd> they are all subscribed by the utouch-bugs team
[15:30] <cnd> then we manually subscribe bugs in other projects, like linux, that we care about
[15:30] <cnd> what we want is a report showing all the bugs subscribed by utouch-bugs
[15:30] <cnd> however, lp times out when you try to query that
[15:30] <cnd> we can, however, list all the bugs in our projects
[15:30] <bjf> cnd, there is other code that can do that
[15:30] <bjf> cnd (i think)
[15:30] <cnd> and then ask lp for all the bugs that we subscribe directly
[15:31] <cnd> and then it doesn't time out
[15:31] <cnd> so I'd like to create a report that does that for us
[15:35] <apw> isn't that the old chesnut where you have to search in each series for all the open bugs with your criteria and manually merge the lists to get a real list
[15:50] <ppisati> apw: where is it?
[15:52] <apw> ppisati, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/PreciseKernelConfigReviewBeta2omap4
[15:52] <ppisati> apw: ok, i'll review it, thanks
[15:53] <apw> ppisati, cool
[16:13] <tgardner> ogasawara, am adding cw-3.3 to Lucid LBM. what a pain in the ass to build.
[16:13] <ogasawara> tgardner: yah, lucid lbm takes forever
[16:13] <ogasawara> tgardner: why you add 3.3 there?  should they upgrade to precise?
[16:14] <tgardner> ogasawara, unless they hate unity
[16:14] <tgardner> ogasawara, I already updated oneiric
[16:15] <ogasawara> tgardner: I'll do precise
[16:17] <tgardner> ogasawara, um, I think I did precise too
[16:17] <ogasawara> tgardner: ah, so you have
[16:18] <tgardner> ogasawara, which reminds me, I think I forgot to do precise meta
[16:18] <ogasawara> tgardner: I can do that
[16:18] <tgardner> ogasawara, works for me
[16:18] <ogasawara> tgardner: although I think I crafted meta so that it should "just work", but I'll double check
[16:19] <tgardner> ogasawara, "just work" ? how so ?
[16:20] <tgardner> are you generating the flavour stub on the fly ?
[16:20] <ogasawara> tgardner: in that I generically named it linux-backports-modules-cw-3.3-RELEASE_NAME-generic
[16:21] <tgardner> ogasawara, but you still have to wave your magic wand over it....
[16:45] <bullgard4> '~$ uname -r; <IP_ADDRESS>-server' /var/log/boot.log: " * Starting network connection manager [OK]." Google: "Ergebnisse für "network connection manager" site:ubuntu.com: Keine Ergebnisse für "netork connection manager" site:ubuntu.com gefunden." What Process is here meant by »netork connection manager«?
[16:47] <ogra_> check in /etc/init/ ;)
[16:47] <ogra_> (its likely the network-manager backend printing that)
[16:59] <bullgard4> ogra_: I determined that it is the process NetworkManager the file /usr/bin/NetworkManager from the DEB program package network-manager. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[17:21] <ogasawara> hrm, cat ubuntu-precise/debian.master/d-i/modules/nic-modules | grep "ipw3945"
[17:21] <ogasawara> ipw3945 ?
[17:21]  * ogasawara assumes that's a typo
[17:23] <tgardner> ogasawara, there are a couple of other wifi drivers as well; ipw2100, ipw2200
[17:24] <tgardner> ogasawara, I don't think any of them are necessary
[17:24] <ogasawara> tgardner: I was looking at bug 965116
[17:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965116 in linux "Precise Beta 1 Desktop Alternate CD does not enable Wireless on HP 8440p" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965116
[17:25] <tgardner> ogasawara, but there is no network manger running in the alternate installer, is there ?
[17:28] <tgardner> ogasawara, none of the wifi drivers are in udebs, so I odn't think its a reasonable expectation to be able to update wirelessly during a d-i install
[17:28] <ogasawara> tgardner: I'm seeing a commit from cjwatson in Oneiric stating that d-i now supports WPA
[17:28] <tgardner> hmm
[17:29] <ogasawara> commit 02adc47b87f8812c85bdbe64625f94f256bca875
[17:29] <ogasawara> Author: Colin Watson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:29] <ogasawara> Date:   Thu Aug 11 01:01:53 2011 +0100
[17:29] <ogasawara>     UBUNTU: Deliver more Atheros, Ralink, and iwlagn NIC drivers to d-i
[17:29] <ogasawara>
[17:29] <ogasawara>     d-i now supports WPA in Oneiric.  While soliciting testing of this, I
[17:29] <ogasawara>     heard from testers with Atheros, Ralink, and Intel AGN chipsets, none of
[17:29] <ogasawara>     whom were able to test WPA support in d-i because the relevant drivers
[17:29] <ogasawara>     weren't delivered to d-i.
[17:29] <ogasawara>
[17:29] <ogasawara>     This patch adds these drivers to nic-modules or nic-usb-modules as
[17:29] <ogasawara>     appropriate.
[17:30] <tgardner> ogasawara, well then, why not any of the iwl* drivers? we'll also have to add some firmware to the linux-firmware udeb
[17:31] <ogasawara> tgardner: good question, seems like we should add them
[17:32] <ogasawara> tgardner: and I suspect the ipw3945 line already in nic-modules was really meant to be iwl3945
[17:32] <tgardner> oh right. I forgot about the original quest :)
[17:33]  * ogasawara whips up a few patches
[17:33] <tgardner> ogasawara, that is indeed the right name: drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/Makefile:obj-$(CONFIG_IWL3945)	+= iwl3945.o
[17:35] <Sarvatt> bcm43xx bcm43xx-mac80211 are obsolete too
[17:35] <tgardner> ogasawara, so whatever drivers you add to nic-modules, make sure any related firmware is also in linux-firmware/debian/nic-firmware.lst
[17:35] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[17:36] <ogasawara> Sarvatt: I'll get them removed
[17:37] <tgardner> ogasawara, and Sarvatt is right about b43*. they should be replace by the brcm80211 stack
[17:39] <mjg59> b43 is still needed for SSB-based Broadcoms, no?
[17:39] <mjg59> I thought the brcm80211 stack only handled the BCMA ones
[17:40] <tgardner> mjg59, I thought there was PCI ID overlap. maybe tahts been fixed.
[17:41] <mjg59> tgardner: There is, because b43 tries to claim some of the bcma devices as well
[17:42] <tgardner> its been my experience that bcma is working better these days then b43. at least on the MacBook Air
[17:43]  * ppisati -> EOD
[17:43] <awe_> Sarvatt, got a sec for a build question?
[17:44] <awe_> I'm trying to reproduce bug #953205 for cking
[17:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 953205 in linux "System shuts down due to CPU temp exceeding critical thresh-hold (100C)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953205
[17:44] <Sarvatt> whats up?
[17:45] <Sarvatt> need a kernel build?
[17:45] <awe_> I'm trying to load my system, so I figured I'd start a kernel build, however when I follow the instructions on the wiki, my build fails
[17:45] <awe_> it's saying there's no rule for binary-generic
[17:46] <awe_> I'm following instructions on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[17:46]  * awe_ admits it's been a long time since he's built the kernel
[17:47] <awe_> I grabbed the precise tree from bzr
[17:47] <tgardner> awe_, 'fdr clean;dpkg-buildpackage -Tbinary -us -uc'
[17:47] <Sarvatt> guessing you're starting from a git checkout? did you fakeroot debian/rules clean first? i'm kind of a bad person to ask specifically because i dont follow any of that and its very convoluted :)
[17:47] <awe_> yes
[17:48] <awe_> tgardner, right, that always should work... guess I was trying to follow the instructions since it's been so long
[17:48] <awe_> tim?  when did you change your irc nick?
[17:48] <tgardner> awe_, if you're wanting load, the dpkg-buildpackage does it the best
[17:48] <awe_> cool
[17:48] <awe_> yes, I want load
[17:49] <tgardner> awe_, since someone registered rtg
[17:49] <awe_> load == heat
[17:49]  * Sarvatt didn't even know there were bzr branches of the kernel
[17:49] <awe_> d'oh
[17:49] <awe_> ;)
[17:50] <awe_> thanks tgardner...  working like a charm
[17:51] <tgardner> awe_, the wiki instructions look right. guess I'd better figure out whats wrong
[17:51] <apw> Sarvatt, the package uploader braches one assumes
[17:51] <awe_> ok
[17:53] <tgardner> awe_, I should point out that 'fakeroot' is single threaded and won't allow processes to run in parallel. Hence the use of dpkg-buildpackage. it only uses fakeroot during the packaging phase.
[17:54] <awe_> ok... good to know for future reference...
[17:58] <apw> yep dpkg-buildpackage is fast cause it does debian/rules build; fakeroot debian/rules binary
[17:58] <apw> which amortises the fakeroot cost in the safe area
[17:59] <apw> you can do the same with 'debian/rules build-generic; fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic'
[18:00]  * apw decamps to the couch
[19:35]  * ogasawara lunch
[19:44] <tgardner> apw, is there a way to avoid the unknown RSA key message for a subnet?
[19:44] <tgardner> rtg@dearborn:~$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:44] <tgardner> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[19:44] <tgardner> @    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
[19:44] <tgardner> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[19:44] <tgardner> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
[19:44] <tgardner> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
[19:44] <tgardner> It is also possible that a host key has just been changed.
[19:44] <tgardner> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
[19:44] <tgardner> 56:ae:dc:36:04:30:d4:12:f1:1d:22:e2:85:5a:81:44.
[19:44] <tgardner> Please contact your system administrator.
[19:44] <tgardner> Add correct host key in /home/rtg/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
[19:44] <tgardner> Offending ECDSA key in /home/rtg/.ssh/known_hosts:293
[19:44] <tgardner>   remove with: ssh-keygen -f "/home/rtg/.ssh/known_hosts" -R <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:44] <tgardner> RSA host key for <IP_ADDRESS> has changed and you have requested strict checking.
[19:44] <tgardner> Host key verification failed.
[19:47] <mdeslaur> tgardner: add the following to your ssh config file:
[19:47] <mdeslaur> Host 192.168.0.*
[19:47] <mdeslaur>    StrictHostKeyChecking no
[19:48] <mdeslaur> tgardner: and then promptly forget that someone from the security team told you to do that
[19:48] <tgardner> mdeslaur, well, these are just for PXE booted machines that get reinstalled several times per day
[19:50] <mdeslaur> tgardner: you may need UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null too
[19:50] <mdeslaur> so you don't add it to your known_hosts all the time
[19:51] <tgardner> mdeslaur, nope, I'll keep a special rule for 10.0.2.*
[20:04] <kees> mdeslaur: heheh "and promptly forget..."
[20:04] <mdeslaur> :)
[20:24]  * tgardner -> EOD


[11:53] <nattfodd> hi
[11:53] <nattfodd> think that http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-564740.html could qualify for an announcement?
[11:53] <nattfodd> it's not gentoo-specific