[01:10] <mshorts> hello. I need help. I have gotten a wireless adapter so I can use with Kubuntu and have the zip downloaded from realtek .... now what do I do? I know it was make and make install but I can't remember all the details
[01:15] <mshorts> anyone home
[01:16] <mshorts> hello. I need help. I have gotten a wireless adapter so I can use with Kubuntu and have the zip downloaded from realtek .... now what do I do? I know it was make and make install but I can't remember all the details
[02:07] <mshorts> anyone here
[02:15] <luis__> hi everyone i have openoffice3.2 and i opened an hour ago and told me there's an update available i click ok and it downloaded a .tar.gz file how do i applied that so my openoffice can be updated?
[02:15] <luis__> hel please
[02:16] <luis__> help*
[02:32] <luis__> thanks anyway i already find out how to do the update with that file :P
[02:55] <sea4ever> Hi, there seems to be something strange going on with my X server.
[02:55] <sea4ever> The edges of gradients are green-pixellated and sort of flickering, but only sometimes.
[02:55] <sea4ever> I've booted into BSD (here I am now) and it doesn't occur.
[02:56] <sea4ever> I've also taken screenshots and checked them but the green pixels are not saved, it looks normal.
[03:13] <cato37> after playing supertux, the screen resolution had a hard time resetting, and now the information bar in dolphin won't auto adjust. it is stuck in monster size. how do i get it back to being adustable?
[03:31] <kwtm> Hi!  How are you all?
[04:07] <cato37> after playing supertux, the screen resolution had a hard time resetting, and now the information bar in dolphin won't auto adjust. it is stuck in monster size. how do i get it back to being adustable?
[04:14] <cato37> have agood night all.
[05:07] <avihay> mmm, anyone know why my dolphin takes 540MB of RAM?  I only have 40 tabs open. it also seems to grow as time goes by, when I start the computer, dolphin doesn't take that much memory
[06:47] <navetz> Hi I need help. New applications that I install are not beign added to my start menu.
[06:47] <navetz> How can I fix this?
[06:49] <sea4ever> You can log out and back in and that'll fix it for sure, or you can run update-menus in a terminal
[06:49] <idanka_> hali
[06:50] <idanka_> tud valaki segíteni Kubuntu/nvidia csúnya fontokban?
[06:52] <navetz> sea4ever: logging out and in has not fixed it, and update-menus doesn't work as a command for me
[06:53] <sea4ever> Oh interesting, how'd you install the new stuff?
[06:53] <navetz> sea4ever:  with apt-get
[06:55] <sea4ever> Well..maybe kbuildsyscoca? :\ Since nothing else works
[06:59] <navetz> sea4ever: I am trying that now, I don't really know what its suppose to do and it gives me some errors
[07:01] <sea4ever> What are the errors?
[07:02] <navetz> sea4ever: humm, seems to have worked, plasma desktop crashed but the menu items are there now after it restarted
[07:03] <sea4ever> lol weird, but it works..dunno why plasma went and crashed though.
[07:05] <navetz> sea4ever: what does that program do?
[07:06] <sea4ever> navetz: Y'know I have no idea really. It rebuilds some kde thing or other.
[07:06] <navetz> sea4ever: haha well thanks for recommending it
[07:07] <sea4ever> lol. No problem. If you ever figure out what it does let me know though
[07:08] <sea4ever> Oh wait I got it. It's 'kbuildsycoca' and it rebuilds the 'kSyCoCa' Kde System configuration Cache.
[09:58] <gunsofbrixton> hi, how do I know which qt libraries I have on my system?
[09:58] <gunsofbrixton> I mean, which version...
[10:02] <Torch> gunsofbrixton: kde4-config --version shows you what kde uses.
[10:22] <Thrik> hi all.  using quassel, i accidently clicked on the menu item to hide the menu.  now, i can't figure out to unhide the file menu.  any clues?
[10:25] <Thrik> ctrl-m
[10:35] <dany_> hi all
[10:35] <dany_> I got a problem
[10:35] <dany_> I upgraded to Kubuntu  10
[10:36] <dany_> and now sometimes when I try to shutdown the system the system does not
[10:36] <dany_> shutdown properly
[10:37] <dany_> there is the blue screen with the text "kubuntu 10" and the loading bar but it does not shutdown :(
[10:37] <dany_> in these cases I must reboot the system and shutdown.. What can I do?
[11:19] <dany_> is there nobody?
[11:25] <Misterio> dany_: no :P
[11:25] <dany_> :D
[11:25] <dany_> one in the desert :P
[11:27] <Chicano> hi everyone
[11:28] <Misterio> Hi Chicano
[11:28] <Chicano> I've got backports installed and have seen blocked koffice updates for quite some time now.
[11:28] <Chicano> I guess my question is: why haven't the prerequisite packages been uploaded to the archives?
[11:28] <Misterio> Chicano: Did you check universe and that stuff enabled?
[11:28] <Misterio> if there are enabled
[11:29] <Chicano> yeah, main, universe and multiverse are all enabled
[11:30] <Misterio> Chicano: Have you tried updating in a terminal? "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[11:30] <Chicano> yep, tried apt-get and aptitude
[11:30] <Chicano> the koffice 2.2.1 packages remain blocked
[11:31] <Chicano> The first week I didn't even pay any mind to the blocked packages
[11:32] <Chicano> but since it's not an experimental package, I'd like to update them if at all possible
[11:32] <Misterio> Chicano: Do you have backports enabled? Is Koffice a backport version?
[11:34] <CaNoc> hello, my screen is 1280x1024, but every time i reboot, it's alway 1600x1200, I'm using ATI proprietary driver.
[11:35] <CaNoc> how can I fix it?
[11:36] <Chicano> Hm I though koffice 2.2.1 *had* to be backports but it seems it isn't
[11:42] <Chicano> ok now I'm confused - I removed all "external" repo's (all entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* are commented out) but I *still* get the blocked updates
[11:42] <Misterio> Chicano: Try disabling backports
[11:44] <Chicano> Indeed, they're in the (non kubuntu-specific) backports
[11:45] <Chicano> aren't packages from there supposed to be at least upgradeable?
[11:46] <Misterio> Chicano: No, backports mean maverick's updates
[11:46] <Misterio> Chicano: There aren't old versions patched, there are new versions
[11:47] <Misterio> Chicano: Imagine; recommend updates install patches for firefox 3. Backports, instead, installs firefox 3.5 or 4
[11:48] <Chicano> yeah but it's a repository separate from ubuntu+1's repos right?
[11:48] <Misterio> Right
[11:50] <Chicano> then I would think they would upgrade the prereqs for any package in there as well
[11:53] <Chicano> it's a bit difficult to use a package that you can't install
[11:53] <Chicano> but ok, I guess it can't be helped for now then
[11:54] <Chicano> thanks for the help
[12:04] <Mamarok> Chicano: I have those packages installed, did you try installing by hand, eg. sudo apt-get install koffice?
[12:05] <Chicano> yeah I bluntly installed koffice
[12:05] <Mamarok> Chicano: and you can't get the 2.2. version?
[12:06] <Mamarok> Misterio: backporets doesn't mean Maverick updates on Lucid, that is nonesense
[12:06] <Mamarok> backports*
[12:06] <Mamarok> 2.2.1*
[12:06] <Chicano> I've currently got 2.2.0, but 2.2.1 remains blocked yeah
[12:07] <Mamarok> Chicano: and did you try changing the mirror server? Maybe switching to main could help
[12:07] <Mamarok> sometimes a mirror is not correctly updated
[12:07] <Mamarok> I use the main server and was able to update without problems
[12:08] <Chicano> I currently use main - local servers are sometimes terribly slow
[12:08] <Chicano> but I'll try switching to see what happens
[12:08] <Mamarok> hm, then it really should work
[12:08] <Misterio> Mamarok: sorry, was busy
[12:08] <Mamarok> Misterio: np
[12:08] <Misterio> Mamarok: Doesn't backport mean the next ubuntu's version updates?
[12:09] <Mamarok> Misterio: not necessarily
[12:09] <Mamarok> you certainly don't get everything that is in +1 in the backports
[12:09] <Chicano> still blocked
[12:10] <Chicano> interesting to see that a server (which is supposedly on one of the fastest networks in this country) which is less than 2 km away is still slower than the main server
[12:12] <Chicano> in case it helps, these packages are blocked: kpresenter, kspread, kword, koffice, kchart, karbon, krita, kplato, kexi, kthesaurus and koffice-libs
[12:14] <Mamarok> what about koffice-data?
[12:16] <Mamarok> Chicano: do you still have koreport installed from 2.2.0? Maybe removing that can help
[12:17] <Mamarok> as it is not needed in 2.2.1 anymore
[12:18] <Chicano> if i try to remove it aptitude tells me that koffice-libs and kplato are broken
[12:19] <Chicano> I guess i'll just accept the solution and see what happens
[12:21] <Chicano> Mamarok: I think you're right, the pkgmgt system was basically falling over the disappeared koreport package
[12:22] <Mamarok> Chicano: I remember it was removed when I updated
[12:23] <Mamarok> still, that would be a dependency problem in the 2.2. packages, it should just remove it
[12:23] <Mamarok> 2.2.1 (my 1 key is not working well, sorry)
[12:25] <Chicano> I honestly have no idea why it didn't
[12:27] <Mamarok> Chicano: don't worry, neither have I, it's just strange it worked for me but not for you
[12:28] <Chicano> ah well, it's upgraded now, thanks a bunch :)
[12:30] <Mamarok> Chicano: you are welcome :)
[13:29] <markit> hi, I would like to have a program that shows me the wifi hotspot available with a good indication of strenght of the signal. swscanner would be perfect but tells that can' get the list. any tip?
[13:30] <markit> (failed to read scan data)
[13:31] <markit> wifimanager plasmoid seems not to update data very well, so does not fit to my needs
[13:46] <cvmissiontech> cv.mission tec
[14:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:55] <cm> hola¿?
[14:55] <cm> esto funciona?
[14:56] <cm> hola?
[14:56] <cm> alguien me puede ayudar?
[14:56] <cm> no sé cómo va esto
[14:56] <Torch> !english | cm
[14:57] <cm> oh tanks
[15:07] <hellslinger> sigh... does anyone know how to disable emulate3buttons in 10.04? I cannot turn it off for the life of me,
[15:17] <James147> hellslinger: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[16:12] <jimmy51_> is the kernel installed with 64 bit kubuntu 10.04 a "standard kernel" ?
[16:13] <slinker1> 2.6.32-24-generic on mine
[16:13] <slinker1> so i guess yes
[16:14] <slinker1> well standard 64 bit anyway
[16:16] <alelnro1> Hello everybody
[16:16] <alelnro1> Hey everybody
[16:17] <alelnro1> I am trying to install kubuntu 10.04 LTS
[16:17] <alelnro1> but I am getting a multicolor screen
[16:17] <James147> !hi | alelnro1
[16:17] <alelnro1> I really do not now what to do, can someone help me?
[16:18] <alelnro1> I tried by writting i915.modeset=1 but it does not work
[16:18] <hellslinger> alelnro1: what is the problem?
[16:18] <James147> alelnro1: multicolor screen? could you explain in abit more detail?
[16:18] <alelnro1> Yes, let me show you a pic of something exactly the same I found on internet...1 moment
[16:19] <alelnro1> I am getting this problem: http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/14588/p_inline.jpg
[16:19] <alelnro1> But I am using a desktop computer not a laptop
[16:19] <alelnro1> I have Quad Core, 2GB DDR3, GeForge 220 GT, Gigabyte 2
[16:19] <James147> alelnro1: what graphics card do you have?
[16:19] <James147> ..
[16:19] <James147> :)
[16:20] <hellslinger> oh wow, hahaha
[16:20] <hellslinger> so is it all vertical bars or is there anything recognizable on the screen?
[16:20] <alelnro1> So you see...isn't it a good computer??
[16:20] <alelnro1> Yes, all vertical bars
[16:20] <alelnro1> I am not able to read anything
[16:20] <tim> hi, is there a way to configure phonon to use jack as backend? currently it shows me only pulseaudio ...
[16:20] <alelnro1> Just like you see on that picture
[16:20] <hellslinger> does it successfully boot past the ubuntu splash screen?
[16:21] <James147> alelnro1: my guess would be  the  Nouveau drivers.....
[16:21] <alelnro1> it appears the screen to choose from the menu, like install, try without installing
[16:21] <hellslinger> tim: there is a way to use mplayer, but not jack, what are you trying to do?
[16:22] <alelnro1> So?? Any idea?? I mean
[16:22] <tim> hellslinger, it is as easy as playing from amarok via jack ...
[16:22] <alelnro1> I have to install some drivers in some way
[16:22] <hellslinger> alelnro1: are you able to ctrl + alt + F1 and get to a text login?
[16:23] <tim> hellslinger, since mplayer supports jack, how can i configure phonon to use mplayer as backend?
[16:23] <alelnro1> JamesI really do not know
[16:23] <alelnro1> I haven't try that
[16:23] <alelnro1> Hold on a minute please
[16:24] <hellslinger> tim: my apologies, there is a gstreamer backend for phonon rather than mplayer
[16:25] <hellslinger> however, it is not very stable in my experience... I guess I'm curious as to why one might want to use something other than xine... areyou experiencing trouble?
[16:25] <alelnro1> James147: I am getting another computer so that I can test and chat at the same time
[16:25] <hellslinger> tim: if so, we can probably help solve the pulse issue
[16:26] <James147> alelnro1: ping me when your ready
[16:26] <tim> hellslinger, well, the pulse devs weren't really able to help me :/
[16:26] <hellslinger> tim: what was the problem you were having?
[16:26] <hellslinger> tim: just no sound?
[16:27] <tim> hellslinger, pulseaudio causes the machine to hickup, if the breakout box of my audio interface is not connected
[16:27] <hellslinger> what kind of sound card
[16:28] <tim> hellslinger, rme hdsp ... http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_multiface_2.php
[16:28] <hellslinger> wow great card
[16:29] <tim> hellslinger, first portable multichannel card with good alsa support
[16:30] <hellslinger> why not bypass this card entirely and use integrated audio for system alerts and such...
[16:31] <tim> hellslinger, i don't want to listen to music with the shitty dac and the mini-jack connector of the onboard card, if i have high-quality converters with balanced jack outputs
[16:32] <hellslinger> tim: understandable, I use my Delta 1010 for that purpose a lot
[16:33] <tim> hellslinger, via phonon->pulseaudio->jack->alsa?
[16:33] <hellslinger> tim: a super nice low latency recording card like RME should probably avoid pulse as it is a high latency network based sound stuff
[16:34] <hellslinger> tim: how about redirecting the phonon config to just use the card via alsa instead of going through pulse?
[16:34] <tim> hellslinger, it depends on the use case ... playing some music is one use case, running ardour or supercollider another ...
[16:35] <tim> hellslinger, can i configure  phonon to directly use jack as backend?
[16:35] <hellslinger> tim: unfortunately no, jack cannot be used with phonon
[16:35] <tim> hellslinger, hm ...
[16:35] <hellslinger> tim: jack uses ALSA though and in a way is the same layer as pulseaudio
[16:35] <hellslinger> try this:
[16:36] <hellslinger> in the System Settings -> muiltimedia list
[16:36] <hellslinger> you should see a list of hardware and pulseaudio should be in that list
[16:37] <tim> hellslinger, system settings -> multimedia -> phonon shows me just pulseaudio :/
[16:37] <hellslinger> I would defer pulse audio in the entire audio output category
[16:37] <hellslinger> aha! that is a clue
[16:37] <tim> hellslinger, (i've checked the `show advanced devices' option)
[16:37] <hellslinger> wiat a second here, I see jack in my audio output list
[16:37] <hellslinger> (which I didn't think was possible before)
[16:39] <tim> hellslinger, great ... then we should get my machine to the state of yours ;)
[16:39] <hellslinger> that is interesting that you are unable to see your alsa devices
[16:40] <hellslinger> what happens when you click youir "Show advanced devices" checkbox?
[16:41] <alelnro12> Hey guys I am the same as alelnro1
[16:41] <tim> hellslinger, nothing ... i have checked it anyway
[16:41] <alelnro12> James147: What was the combination? alt +??
[16:41] <James147> alelnro12: alt + crtl + F1
[16:42] <James147> alelnro12: that should take you to a terminal
[16:42] <alelnro12> when do i put that?
[16:42] <James147> alelnro12: once it has fully booted
[16:42] <James147> alelnro12: ie once your screen goes funny :)
[16:42] <alelnro12> James 147: Right now I am in the menu screen
[16:43] <alelnro12> James 147: Oh okey
[16:43] <alelnro12> James 147: I pressed that but nothing happens
[16:44] <alelnro12> I mean..the colors changed
[16:44] <James147> alelnro12: and what happens if you press alt + print screen + k ?
[16:44] <alelnro12> James 147: wait I'll try to put the 1st option "try without installing it"
[16:45] <James147> alelnro12: opps, yeah you need to pick that option
[16:45] <alelnro12> James 147: nothing happens in both ways
[16:46] <alelnro12> James 147: I mean, the "bar codes" are still there
[16:46] <hellslinger> tim: is your card supported by alsa?
[16:46] <James147> alelnro12: even if you boot into the "try without instlling" mode?
[16:47] <alelnro12> James147: Yes, I am in that option
[16:47] <James147> alelnro12: hmm... could you try running the cd check?
[16:47] <hellslinger> tim: err, sorry are you able to access it through alsa?
[16:47] <hellslinger> tim: like, alsamixer and adjust inputs and oiutputs?
[16:48] <alelnro12> James147: Yes but I really don't think that the cd is the problem...
[16:48] <James147> alelnro12: just checking :)
[16:48] <alelnro12> OMG!
[16:48] <alelnro12> James147: The bars just appeared again!
[16:48] <tim> hellslinger, alsamixer is not the appropriate tool for it ... there is a dedicated hdspmixer application, shipped with alsa ... the card itself is working via alsa and via jack ...
[16:49] <tim> hellslinger, one interesting point, that may be interesting ... what version of phonon-backend-xine are you using?
[16:49] <hellslinger> 0.2.60
[16:50] <alelnro12> James147:  Maybe by changing some options? Some modes (F4) ?
[16:50] <James147> alelnro12: not sure that would help... sounds like a driver issue to me
[16:51] <alelnro12> James147: Yes for me also, but I don't know how to install it!
[16:51] <James147> alelnro12: need to get to a terminal :S
[16:51] <alelnro12> James147: Yes...but how?!
[16:52] <James147> alelnro12: thats what I am not sure about :)
[16:52] <alelnro12> James147: Maybe at the computer boot screen?
[16:52] <alelnro12> James147: I enter the CD and install the nVidia drivers?
[16:52] <hellslinger> alelnro12: if you can't get the system to boot up into even a simple VGA mode, there might be a greater problem affecting you
[16:53] <tim> hellslinger, hm ... i am running phonon from the kubuntu beta ppa ... 4:4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[16:53] <James147> hellslinger: how do you boot the live cd into vga mode?
[16:53] <alelnro12> hellslinger: The thing is that it is entering, but the this stripes are blocking my sight
[16:54] <alelnro12> My screen goes like this: http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/14588/p_inline.jpg
[16:55] <alelnro12> So guys, no idea :S?
[16:55] <hellslinger> tim: I used to use gentoo, for years actually, part of the reason I switched to ubuntu was to go the "stable" route...
[16:55] <hellslinger> alelnro12: I'm checking to see what the init=3 boot equivalent for the live cd is
[16:56] <alelnro12> hellslinger: Ok
[16:56] <tim> hellslinger, me too ... but sometimes i cannot resist ;)
[16:57] <hellslinger> tim: yeah.. however I'm still puzzled as to why your devices aren't showing up in the list
[16:57] <hellslinger> that should happen anyway
[16:58] <tim> hellslinger, i guess, i should go to the phonon channel ...
[16:58] <tim> they will now some of the internals ;)
[16:59] <hellslinger> tim: yeah... sounds to me like this could be alsa related though
[16:59] <hellslinger> alelnro12: I assume you tried safe graphics mode (F4)?
[17:00] <alelnro12> When¡
[17:00]  * James147 dosent see that option here :(
[17:01] <alelnro12> hellslinger: When do I F4? F4 appears to me as modes
[17:01]  * James147 shouldent be using the 10.10 alhpa cd :p
[17:02] <alelnro12> And I have these options: Normal, Use driver update disc and OEM install (for manufacturers)
[17:02] <hellslinger> alelnro12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing the Boot Option Configuration Line
[17:02] <hellslinger> FFS
[17:02] <hellslinger> hahaha bad URL
[17:03] <alelnro12> hmm?
[17:03] <hellslinger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mainboot.png
[17:03] <hellslinger> are you getting a boot menu like this?
[17:03] <alelnro12> Kind of, I am using kubuntu anyway
[17:03] <alelnro12> But I do not get safe graphics mode
[17:03] <alelnro12> I just get those options I just told you
[17:04] <hellslinger> oh I see
[17:04] <hellslinger> yeah sorry... I've been up all night
[17:04] <hellslinger> haha
[17:05] <hellslinger> so does it only do this on 10.10?
[17:05] <hellslinger> does it work ok on a previous version of ubuntu/kubuntu?
[17:05] <alelnro12> yes
[17:05] <James147> hellslinger: alelnro12 is using 10.04
[17:05] <alelnro12> but i am working on 10.04
[17:05] <hellslinger> oh I thought that was a different comp
[17:07] <alelnro12> OH YES!!!
[17:07] <alelnro12> It's starting!
[17:07] <alelnro12> I wrote vga=771 and it worked :D!
[17:07] <alelnro12> Now let's see if it does not get stucked
[17:08] <alelnro12> Okey, I am in the console
[17:08] <alelnro12> It just disappeared
[17:08] <alelnro12> And started the graphic mode :D
[17:09] <hellslinger> oh man, I hate that...
[17:09] <hellslinger> 10.04 did that when I was having trouble with graphics too
[17:09] <hellslinger> err xorg.conf trouble that is
[17:09] <alelnro12> So the solution for everybody is vga=771
[17:09] <hellslinger> hahah
[17:09] <hellslinger> t would be nice to get some dmesg output or some Xorg.0.log output
[17:10] <hellslinger> to see what is going on
[17:10] <alelnro12> Yes hehe..I think canonical should repair this ASAP
[17:10] <alelnro12> Now, does kubuntu work fast?
[17:11] <hellslinger> alelnro12: lsmod and see if nvidia is running
[17:11] <James147> alelnro12: depends what you mean by fast :) i find it faster then windws 7 but slower then gnome :)
[17:11] <alelnro12> James147: So you would stay with ubuntu..
[17:11] <hellslinger> nah!
[17:11] <alelnro12> hellslinger: I am going to install it, I don't have the menu option
[17:11] <James147> alelnro12: hell no, love kde way much more then gnome and can live with it being slightly slower :D
[17:12] <slinker1> agreed gnome always ends up ii$$ing me off
[17:12] <hellslinger> alelnro12: there are ways to get it running faster
[17:12] <hellslinger> for instance:
[17:13] <alelnro12> hey guys I just pressed Alt  + Ctrl + F1 and I don't know how to return to the kde
[17:14] <James147> alelnro12: alt+ctrl+f7
[17:14] <James147> or 8 or 9...
[17:14] <hellslinger> alelnro12: if you are using oxygen, go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Style -> Fine Tuning
[17:14] <hellslinger> set to "Low Display resolution and low CPU"
[17:14] <hellslinger> improve the snappiness for me a lot
[17:15] <James147> soudnt really have anyproblems with preformance >> <alelnro1> I have Quad Core, 2GB DDR3, GeForge 220 GT, Gigabyte 2
[17:15] <hellslinger> I didn't have problems.. but it just made it more responsive
[17:15]  * James147 goes se see what options he has there
[17:15] <hellslinger> alelnro12: are you using OpenGL compositing?
[17:15] <alelnro12> heheh I should have that
[17:15] <alelnro12> How do I know that?
[17:16] <hellslinger> System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects
[17:16] <hellslinger> you'll see a big green check mark
[17:16] <alelnro12> Oh wait, I am installing it
[17:16] <hellslinger> only works if you have nvidia driver loading
[17:16] <hellslinger> err loaded
[17:16] <hellslinger> requires hardware opengl
[17:17] <alelnro12> All right, so when the installation finishes loading, I will check all the things you told me
[17:17] <alelnro12> alelnro12 is hapier :)
[17:17] <hellslinger> sorry, might be overload
[17:17] <hellslinger> I've spent a lot of time tweaking those settings on my Core 2 + 9800 GTX
[17:17] <alelnro12> That's a nice pc
[17:17] <hellslinger> it's fast either way, but I want it to be really really snappy!
[17:17] <hellslinger> haha
[17:18] <hellslinger> I ahve windows 7 and mac os 10.6 on this thing, and I want linux to be faster than both
[17:18]  * alelnro12 is happier
[17:19] <alelnro12> Anyway...the installer is going reaaally slow :S
[17:19] <alelnro12> Why can that be?
[17:19] <hellslinger> yeah, CD boot
[17:20] <alelnro12> I am already in the installation process
[17:20] <hellslinger> oh very good
[17:20] <hellslinger> yeah, your HDs are probably under load
[17:20] <hellslinger> I'd just wait till its done and do all that stuff afterward
[17:20] <alelnro12> ok
[17:20] <hellslinger> livecd install was slow for me too
[17:20] <alelnro12> I just changed the language
[17:20] <hellslinger> what quad core do you have alelnro12?
[17:21] <alelnro12> I am not in live cd...that the problem
[17:22] <alelnro12> hellslinger: Intel Core2 Quad Q8400
[17:22] <hellslinger> GTX 220?
[17:22] <alelnro12> No, GT 220
[17:23] <hellslinger> checking benchmarks on that thing, do you game on it?
[17:24] <alelnro12> not much..
[17:24] <alelnro12> do you know counter strike?
[17:24] <hellslinger> yep :)
[17:24] <hellslinger> used to play CS:S a lot
[17:25] <alelnro12> The same...welll it gets stacked
[17:25] <hellslinger> stacked?
[17:25] <hellslinger> like, too much for that card to handle!
[17:25] <hellslinger> ?
[17:26] <alelnro12> yes....isn't it an excellent card
[17:26] <hellslinger> eek....
[17:27] <alelnro12> hmmm?
[17:28] <hellslinger> getting maxed out on CS:S... I'll stick with my 9800 GTX
[17:28] <hellslinger> older card, but probably a bit faster
[17:28] <hellslinger> hopefully opengl compositing will do OK on it
[17:28] <hellslinger> I think it will
[17:29] <hellslinger> but... may not be outstanding
[17:29] <hellslinger> either way, there are things you can do to get good snappy performance
[17:29] <hellslinger> I run KDE 4 on my 4 year old laptop that has a 6150
[17:29] <hellslinger> after some tweaking, it runs great
[17:29] <alelnro12> Ok, so it should fly with a 220
[17:30] <hellslinger> yeah
[17:31] <alelnro12> hellslinger: do you know dealextreme?
[17:31] <hellslinger> no, what is it?
[17:32] <hellslinger> deal website, I assume
[17:32] <alelnro12> its a chinese website to buy things
[17:32] <alelnro12> yes
[17:32] <alelnro12> where do you buy things
[17:33] <hellslinger> new egg, it has been almost 3 years since I've gotten anything
[17:33] <alelnro12> Do they ship internationally?
[17:33] <hellslinger> not sure, I imagine they do, they're big
[17:34] <hellslinger> they're customer service is excellent
[17:34] <alelnro12> Oh okey, but they do not have "illegal" things such as dealextreme :P
[17:34] <hellslinger> hahaha
[17:34] <hellslinger> probably not :)
[17:34] <James147> might want to take this to  #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[17:34] <alelnro12> No it's ok
[17:34] <alelnro12> I just wanted to know that
[17:35] <alelnro12> So..my kubuntu is right now being installed
[17:35] <hellslinger> The "present windows" effect for desktop compositing is the real test
[17:35] <hellslinger> I use it all the time
[17:35] <hellslinger> it's the Mac OS "expose" feeature
[17:37] <alelnro12> So do you also have a Mac?
[17:39] <hellslinger> have an old G4 and hackintosh running on this PC
[17:39] <alelnro12> Because I want to install a mac os, I never tried one
[17:39] <hellslinger> I think KDE was inspired by mac os considerably, however, I do think they improved on many things
[17:40] <hellslinger> best of all worlds is my opinion on it
[17:40] <alelnro12> okey, i am about to run it so i'll comment you later
[17:40] <hellslinger> good luck, sir
[17:41] <alelnro12> Thanks!
[18:20] <crooks3o6> Which drivers should be used for the Prism 2.5 chipset?  Seems as though the Orinoco_pci kernel drivers are default but I only have partial functionality.
[18:53] <alelnro12> Hey guys
[19:01] <marcus> hello guys i just install kubuntu 10 lts on my laptop but it keeps turning off can someboy help me to fix this please???
[19:14] <crooks3o6> marcus: Do you get any error messages or anything?  Check the log files maybe.
[19:23] <Soyburg> question about kubuntu 10.04 task bar:  how can i change icons for programs i dragged into the task bar?
[19:25] <aguitel_> how configure keyboard layout in kde 4?
[19:30] <Freddy2> hi
[19:31] <James147> aguitel_: sydtem settings > locale  or System settings > mouse and keyboard  > keyboard
[19:33] <James147> Soyburg: I think they share the same icons as the entries in the menu (to edit the menu right click the menu icon > edit menu or run kmenueditor)
[19:34] <Soyburg> Thanks James147!  So if my program isn't in the menu (because I dragged it from /usr/local/bin) I just have to create a menu entry for it and assign an icon, then drag it to the panel?  Thanks again, that helped a lot!
[19:36] <Soyburg> Yes it works!  Wohooo!
[19:36] <James147> Soyburg: then it would be best to either create a menu item or just a .desktop file somewhere (basically what creating a menu item would do)
[19:44] <dany_> hi guys
[19:44] <dany_> can you tell me the shortcut for changing the desktop
[19:44] <dany_> I mean, to switch to another desktop
[19:45] <James147> dany_: ctrl + F1-X
[19:46] <dany_> uhm
[19:46] <dany_> James147: another way?
[19:46] <dany_> with the arrows for example
[19:47] <Soyburg> I think James147 means that you need to use F1 or F2 to get to desktop 1 or desktop 2
[19:47] <dany_> Soyburg: yes
[19:47] <dany_> I got it
[19:47] <Soyburg> (I tried CTRL + F1 + X, hehe)
[19:47] <James147> Soyburg: yes :)  and dany_: you can change the shortcut kets in system settings > keyboard & mouse > global keyboard shortcuts
[19:48] <dany_> ctrl + F1 or ctrl + F2
[19:48] <dany_> James147: thx
[19:49] <James147> dany_: if you want to use the arrow keys a good shortcut to set is the "Switch to next desktop" under the "KWin" component
[19:50] <dany_> James147: is not set for default, right?
[19:50] <James147> dany_: (and obviously "Switch to Previous Desktop"  :)  )
[19:50] <James147> dany_: dont have one set here and dont know of a default
[19:50] <James147> dany_: its not hard to change it though :)
[19:50] <dany_> kk
[19:50] <dany_> thank you :)
[19:52] <jimmy51_> has anyone here used amazon.com's MP3 album download?
[19:53] <jimmy51_> i can buy a CD i want in MP3 format for 9 bucks, which is fine with me.  i just don't want some restriction saying i can only use it on this machine.
[19:53] <jimmy51_> it says it supports ubuntu (i assume kubuntu too)
[19:54] <James147> jimmy51_: can't say for sure, but I think amazon dosn't do DRM on their mp3...  hell itunes now dont have DRM on their stuff :)
[19:54] <jimmy51_> James147: ok. i'll give it a try.  i have to download and install their *.deb MP3 downloader app.
[19:55] <jimmy51_> crap.  it says wrong arch.  it must be 32 bit only.
[19:55] <Soyburg> jimmy51_: I tried it a year ago and they have no drm.
[19:55] <James147> jimmy51_: you can run 32 bit on 64... need... um ia32lib or somehting
[19:55]  * James147 wonders why you need extra software to download mp3s
[19:56]  * James147 wonders if amarok can do it through amazon...
[19:58] <Soyburg> Anyone know how to make the icons in the task bar grow continuously while enlarging the size of the task bar?  Mine grow up to a point and then snap back to half size.
[19:58]  * James147 cant find a way for amarok to do it :(
[19:59] <jimmy51_> James147: me neither.
[19:59] <James147> Soyburg: can see the same here... although it needs to be quite large for it to happen :S
[20:00] <Soyburg> I have a large screen :)
[20:01] <James147> Soyburg: you could try using the quicklaunder widget...
[20:02] <Soyburg> James147: I thought about a replacement, but at the end of the day... I guess I'll stick with the micro icons
[20:03] <James147> Soyburg: the quicklaunch widget is preinstalled on kubuntu... its just ap matter of draggin it to the task bar :)
[20:03] <Soyburg> That sounds good James147.  I'll try that.
[20:04] <James147> Soyburg: yeah, it works, but you need to force it into 1 row through its settings
[20:05] <lor> does Kubuntu take a lot more ram compared to Ubuntu?
[20:07] <James147> lor: wouldnt have thourght it would take that much more if it did... if limited ram is a consern then you might want to try xubuntu
[20:07] <lor> James147, I have 2GB
[20:07] <Soyburg> James147: what does the icon for the quicklauch look like?  Is it a rocket by any chance?  I am on German Kubuntu here, so the names are slightly different.
[20:08] <James147> lor: 2 gig is fine :) i have run it off a 512 comp before
[20:08] <lor> great!
[20:08] <James147> Soyburg: yes
[20:08] <James147> lor: hell, i think i ran kde 4.0 off a 256 with a pentium 2or 3 :D was a little slow
[20:09] <lor> lol :D
[20:09] <lvh> hey
[20:09] <lvh> im currently running ubuntu lucid
[20:10] <lvh> and I want to try out kubuntu without getting rid of my current stuff
[20:10] <jimmy51_> James147: dang.  i guess i'll have to do it in a windows VM
[20:10] <lvh> do i just install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:10] <Soyburg> James147: I can't force it into one row (there doesn't seem to be a setting for that), but I was able to change the icon size, so they show up large.  I just don't get how the icons are to be changed.
[20:10] <James147> lvh: yes, you just need to install kubuntu-desktop
[20:10] <Soyburg> James147: ignore my previous comment. Found it.
[20:10] <lvh> James147: Okay, thanks! :-)
[20:11] <James147> Soyburg:  :D
[20:11] <lvh> http://www.flickr.com/photos/freeflying/4036438792/in/set-72157622515083587/
[20:11] <James147> Soyburg:  might need to set the row count to 1 first :)
[20:11] <lvh> That looks like a hell of a lot bigger a screen than a netbook.
[20:11] <lvh> Is the resolution very low, or something?
[20:11] <lvh> I'm interested in trying if these new small-screen GUIs also work for big screens.
[20:11]  * James147 waits for image to load... dont know whats up with his connection atm
[20:11] <Soyburg> James147: I am afraid there is no row count.  Just an icon size slider.
[20:11] <lvh> I'm guessing the thing that will make me angry is terrible multihead.
[20:12] <lvh> my dev box has 3x24" now
[20:13] <James147> lvh: that look like the netbook version of a larger screen... netbooks are probally ment to be 1/2 the size of that or smaller
[20:13] <lvh> James147: Yes, that's what it looks like to me too.
[20:14] <lvh> But I find the ideas presented in netbook gui's pretty attractive; I don't understand why they are exclusive to netbook guis
[20:14] <lvh> I understand why netbook guis want them (no room for the big thing), though
[20:14] <James147> lvh: but I ask, why would you want to try the netbook on 3x24" screens... as much as I love it.... i only use it on my netbook as it dosent work as well (as one would think) on larger screens
[20:14] <lvh> I guess I could just TIAS. Will installing kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-netbook hose anything?
[20:14] <lvh> James147: ah, alas
[20:14] <lvh> James147: I use a tiling wm now anyway
[20:15] <lvh> but I keep trying the new traditional gui stuff, under the assumption that they might have come up with something better :-)
[20:15] <James147> lvh: kde 4.5 has a window tilling mode now :D ... although they dont have very good multihead support yet
[20:15] <lvh> James147: Cool :-)
[20:15] <maco> lvh: no it wont hose anything. its the default in 10.10
[20:16] <lvh> I've seen some people use compiz as an el cheapo tiling wm
[20:16] <lvh> maco: I meant "at the same time". Is that what you meant too?
[20:16] <maco> you choose which you want using systemsettings -> workspace
[20:16] <James147> lvh: btw, if you install kubuntu-desktp and kubuntu-netbook... you can have the search and launch interface on plasma-desktop
[20:16] <lvh> maco: Okay, cool! Thanks.
[20:16] <lvh> James147: this sounds like an interesting prospect, I'll try it out
[20:16] <maco> lvh: 4.5's tiling doesnt work the same as xmonad's, if thats what youre used to
[20:16] <lvh> I've got a 13" ultraportable
[20:16] <lvh> maco: stumpwm
[20:17] <lvh> maco: it's like emacs but for windows that arent emacs windows
[20:17] <maco> im waiting for a 11.6" kubuntu netbook remix netbook to show up
[20:17]  * maco is a vim user
[20:17] <lvh> maco: ah. Well, it's different :)
[20:18] <lvh> emacs does not appear to have a Qt thing :(
[20:18] <Soyburg> have a nice day and thanks for the help James147
[20:25] <djustice> weird question: i have a dir. i need to make a .img (ext4) of it. how?
[20:33] <James147> djustice: not sure if this is the best way... but: dd if=/dev/zero of=~/test.img; mkfs.ext4 ~/text.img; sudo mount ~/test.img /mnt -o loop    then copy the files to /mnt worked for me :S
[20:45] <jimmy51_> James147: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9145072&postcount=17  <- got it
[20:46] <jimmy51_> James147: just downloaded the inception OST and a CD i bought back in highschool, scratched, and never found again
[20:46] <jimmy51_> kubuntu wins again
[20:46] <jimmy51_> (after a little convincing)
[20:47] <James147> jimmy51_: :D
[21:21] <JuJuBee__> I can't seem to get my iPod Nano 16G (new) to sync with Amarok/Banshee/Rhythmbox Any help?
[21:26] <hellslinger> JuJuBee__: have you tried GTKpod?
[21:29] <hellslinger> they all use libgpod, I believe, so if it isn't supported in amarok and others, it probably wont' work elsewhere
[21:29] <hellslinger> might be too new and isn't supported yet
[21:32] <winmutt> im trying to get a dual headed radeon and my onbooard vid card to give me three displays, i can get either to work but not both
[21:34] <glaucous> What's the location of the files used by the file indexer (Nepomuk)? I'd like to change the location either by linking file or change file location with any config file.
[21:51] <James147> glaucous: look at ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk
[21:52] <JuJuBee__> hellslinger: no, I have not.  I will install it and try it
[21:54] <dlp> Do we have any IMAP gurus here?
[21:54] <glaucous> James147, thanks, that's correct :)
[21:55] <dlp> Is it possible to read/write to IMAP directories as if they're FTP?
[21:55] <dlp> e.g. to falsify header data, etc?
[21:56] <dlp> The real question is: is it possible to edit files... either directly or by replacement?
[21:58] <glaucous> What's the command for using KDE to kill an application/process?
[21:59] <dlp> kill
[21:59] <glaucous> There's like a kdequit command or something, but I guess I can use kill as well
[21:59] <James147> glaucous: although that dosent use kde :) ^^
[21:59] <James147> glaucous: kquitapp
[21:59] <glaucous> James147, ah, thanks, that's the one
[22:00] <dlp> pgrep <process_name> | xargs kill
[22:00] <James147> dlp: killall <process_name>  is quicker to type :)
[22:00] <dlp> or, actually, just killall <... yeah
[22:00] <hellslinger> pkill
[22:00] <hellslinger> hehe
[22:00] <hellslinger> so many ways to kill processes
[22:01] <glaucous> Okay killall works the best
[22:01] <glaucous> in this scenario
[22:01] <dlp> man pkill
[22:02] <James147> dlp: had the same plan :D
[22:02] <dlp> It basically does the same thing.
[22:02] <James147> yeah
[22:03] <dlp> Except it takes a pattern rather than a name.
[22:03] <dlp> Which killall will do anyway with the -r option.
[22:05] <dlp> Well anyway... does anyone know the answer to my IMAP question?
[22:05] <dlp> This is important.
[22:05] <dlp> I need to know if I can use an email in evidence.
[22:06] <dlp> And its timestamps.
[22:06] <dlp> And content.
[22:06] <dlp> (but on a server that I don't have root access to)
[22:06] <James147> dlp: you might want to consider asking in #ubuntu there are usually alot more people in there
[22:07] <dlp> But I obviously do have access to the mailbox.
[22:07] <dlp> Yeah, I suppose that would make sense.
[22:08] <dlp> I realy don't understand why GNOME is so more widespread than KDE.
[22:09] <James147> dlp: i think it was adopted eariler on when qt had some licening issues
[22:09] <James147> dlp: but the issues where sorted out... and people dont like change
[22:10] <dlp> that's true.
[22:10] <dlp> But things are changing whether people like it or not.
[22:11] <dlp> I mean, most people use Windows.
[22:11] <dlp> And that changes a lot.
[22:11] <James147> dlp: atm alot of people still consider kde4.x to be to unstable/incomplete :( i mean its still missing networking, printer config, samba config
[22:11] <dlp> Has kinda gone a similar way to KDE, actually.
[22:11] <dlp> Yes, I know.
[22:12] <James147> dlp: ah, windows dosent change alot... and look at the changes they made... most poeple hated them at first
[22:12] <dlp> Lots still do.
[22:12] <James147> dlp: so see, people don't like change :(
[22:12] <dlp> I'm supposed to be doing some work on the KDE networkmanagement, actually.
[22:13] <dlp> I got as far as building an environment.
[22:13] <James147> dlp: then do you know the current state of the widget?
[22:13] <dlp> Which didn't work too well. I can hack around the issues (but risk breaking my system in the process) :-S
[22:13] <dlp> Pretty much.
[22:13] <dlp> i.e. I've tried to use it.
[22:14] <alonso> anyone can help me
[22:14] <James147> !help | alonso
[22:14] <alonso> my device is not getting mounted
[22:14] <James147> alonso: define: "my device"
[22:14] <alonso> altough they have a /dev node
[22:14] <alonso> usb stick
[22:14] <alonso> cdrom
[22:15] <alonso> sometime its doesn't mount but theres /dev/sr0
[22:15] <alonso> sometime theres no /dev/sr0 node
[22:15] <James147> alonso: kubuntu dosent auto mount things (for some reason... well at least not on first plug in) check the device norifier (should be on your panel)
[22:16] <alonso> no devices
[22:16] <alonso> my usb is there
[22:16] <James147> alonso: can you manually mount them?
[22:16] <alonso> formated as fat32
[22:16] <alonso> yes
[22:16] <alonso> its /dev/sdb
[22:16] <James147> alonso: your usb stick is listed in the device notifier?
[22:16] <alonso> and i can format it using gparted
[22:16] <alonso> no
[22:17] <alonso> oh unchecked automont
[22:17] <alonso> thats it
[22:17] <alonso> but what about my cdrom
[22:18] <alonso> /dev/sr0 node sometime isnt there
[22:18] <James147> alonso: when a _non_ blank cd is in the drive?
[22:19] <alonso> yeah
[22:19] <alonso> well i dont remember
[22:19] <alonso> right now is there
[22:19] <alonso> but i rember not seeing it
[22:19] <James147> alonso: :S not sure why they arent in /dev then... possible lose cable/faulty hardware?
[22:20] <DrNitro> hello there
[22:20] <alonso> right now is there
[22:20] <alonso> probably i didnt cd
[22:20] <alonso> i expected /dev/sr0 to be all the time there
[22:21] <alonso> ok its ther
[22:21] <alonso> but i still dont get my cd detected
[22:22] <James147> alonso: is the cd blank?
[22:22] <alonso> no
[22:22] <alonso> ok it got detected
[22:22] <alonso> that box ...
[22:23] <alonso> checbox ... arghh
[22:23] <alonso> my slow drive
[22:23] <alonso> ok thanks
[22:23] <James147> :S
[22:24]  * James147 isn't sure what he did there
[22:24]  * dlp isn't, either
[22:43] <urgyen> darn it..
[22:43] <urgyen> :-)
[22:43] <urgyen> I'm still dead in the water re flash
[22:43] <urgyen> what did I do?
[22:43] <James147> ??
[22:43] <urgyen> unstall something I shouldn't have?
[22:44] <urgyen> kubuntu 10.04
[22:44] <James147> urgyen: you might want to describe the problem you are facing
[22:44] <urgyen> all browsers report missing plugin no matter how many times I install and uninstall
[22:44] <urgyen> or how I try to install
[22:44] <James147> urgyen: what are you insatlling?
[22:44] <urgyen> is there a troubleshoot walk through?
[22:44] <James147> urgyen: and how?
[22:45] <urgyen> I was just trying to do classic package support
[22:45] <urgyen> nothing fancy
[22:45] <urgyen> I like Chrome
[22:45] <James147> urgyen: flashplugin-installer? works `fine` here
[22:45] <urgyen> ya, I'll try to install again and follow logs
[22:47] <James147> urgyen: try "sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-installer flashplugin-nonfree; sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer"
[22:47] <urgyen> thanks
[22:51] <JuJuBee__> hellslinger: I installed gtkpod and when I try to run it I select my iPod model and gtkpod shuts down...?
[22:52] <glaucous> Whats the application called which shows up when you click Alt+F2? I'd like to change the key combination
[22:52] <James147> glaucous: krunner
[22:53] <James147> glaucous: you might want to change it in the global keyboard shotcuts settings (rather then in the kmenu)
[22:54] <James147> glaucous: the shortcut is listed as "Run command" under "Run Command Interface"
[22:54] <glaucous> James147, ah thank you! Was just about to ask where I find the shortcut :)
[22:55] <urgyen> adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz
[22:55] <urgyen> Flash Plugin installed.
[22:55] <urgyen> and.. still no go :-)
[22:56] <urgyen> is there a directory I need to manually move some file to?
[22:56] <urgyen> no in konqueror firefox and chrome
[23:25] <dlp> Well...
[23:25] <jcgs> hi, does anyone know how to get multiuser screen? i can't figure out how to get aclchg to do what i want
[23:25] <dlp> You can forge header information on an IMAP server.
[23:26] <dlp> This is slightly inconvenient.
[23:26] <dlp> I've had a bad day.
[23:27] <James147> sorry dlp... don't know much about IMAP server :( and i guess there arn't many here that do
[23:27] <dlp> Well, I do.. now.
[23:27] <dlp> I know what I needed to know, anyway.
[23:27] <James147> jcgs: multiuser screen? do you mean remote desktops? or multiuser sessions (logins)?
[23:28] <James147> dlp: ahh, sorry, thourhg tyou where asking again... glad you got an answer even if it wasent the one you wanted :(
[23:28] <jcgs> James147: neither, the program called screen - running in multiuser mode
[23:28] <dlp> RFC3501
[23:29] <dlp> Of course it'd have saved me about an hour of reading if someone had known ;)
[23:30] <jcgs> James147: probably "get" should have read "use"
[23:30] <dlp> As would have the experiment I used (copy a message from one IMAP server to another, see if datestamps remain intact).
[23:30] <dlp> Which they do.
[23:30] <jcgs> James147: or "work"
[23:30] <James147> jcgs: http://aperiodic.net/screen/multiuser  that might help
[23:30] <dlp> I guess it's fairly typical of mail servers to believe what they're told.
[23:36] <jcgs> James147: most of that site is just the manual page installed on my system - which i've already read, and the examples on there, which are new, don't seem to work. am i doing something wrong?
[23:37] <James147> jcgs: sorry, that is am much as I know about multiuser screen :) didn't even know it was possible
[23:42] <jcgs> James147: thanks a lot anyway,
[23:43] <anon_> yo guys
[23:43] <anon_> how do i found my sound options? like, where i can turn it up and off?
[23:43] <anon_> i've managed to delete my panel..
[23:44] <jcgs> anon_: there should be a loudspeaker icon in the system tray, you can change the volume there
[23:44] <anon_> Yeah.. i've managed to get that tray away.. Don't ask me how
[23:44] <anon_> Any idea how i can get it back?
[23:45] <jcgs> anon_: if you click on the funny symbol at the far right hand side of the taskbar, it looks a bit like half a yin-yang
[23:46] <anon_> Yeah
[23:46] <jcgs> anon_: choose add widget
[23:46] <jcgs> anon_: sorry "add widgets"
[23:46] <anon_> okay
[23:47] <anon_> and from there?
[23:47] <jcgs> anon_: there in alphabetical order, so you might need to scroll a while before you get to "system tray"
[23:47] <anon_> oh
[23:47] <anon_> okay
[23:47] <anon_> Thanks alot
[23:48] <anon_> and how can i
[23:48] <jcgs> anon_: no problem
[23:48] <James147> anon_: also if you removed your entire panel right click on the desktop > add panel
[23:48] <anon_> put the tray beside the ying yang symbol?
[23:48] <jcgs> anon_: wherever you like, i think the default is to the left of the clock
[23:49] <James147> anon_: you can drag widget around the panel when you have the panel settings window open (right click the panel > [panel options >] panel settings)
[23:50] <anon_> Okay thanks guys, now one last problem
[23:50] <anon_> I've somehow.. managed to disable when i open a window, it does not show up in the panel
[23:50] <James147> anon_: one window or all?
[23:50] <anon_> All
[23:50] <jcgs> anon_; that's the task manager widget
[23:50] <James147> anon_: ^^ yeah you probally removed the task manager widget
[23:51] <anon_> Ohh D: Thanks, i just switched over from windows so.. >_<
[23:51] <anon_> Wait wait, ONE last questioonnnnn
[23:51] <anon_> The tray isn't beside the clock
[23:51] <anon_> How do i move it there?
[23:51] <anon_> It's beside the quickAccess browser
[23:51] <James147> anon_: the kde desktop is very nicly designed... everything on the desktop/panel is a widget, so anything can be move to anywhere, or removed entirly :)
[23:52] <jcgs> anon_: click on the plasma symbol (yin-yang like thing) and then you should be able to drag it around - the cursor will change to like a dot with four arrows
[23:52] <James147> anon_: to move widget on the panel you need to open the panel settigns and drag the widget where you want it  (with the settings window open)
[23:54] <anon_> I love you all
[23:54] <anon_> <3


[09:04] <andrew_46> I have finished polishing this Community page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/slrn
[09:05] <andrew_46> I note that the wiki markup for italic, bold text etc does not have any effect
[09:05] <andrew_46> Something I am doing wrong or is that the way it is now?
[12:33] <guiverc> andrew_46, you need to use moinmoin formatting on the ubuntu wiki
[12:36] <guiverc> sorry it looks like you already know that andrew_46
[12:37] <guiverc> I've always used prior pages as my example when i want something; but I can't think of any page with italics..
[12:41] <guiverc> I now realize why you're marked away.. if you want to reply, you can catch me tomorrow too :)


[08:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[08:40] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> another day to play with WPA-Enterprise 8-)
[08:41] <brobostigon> :)
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> oh and to charge my kindle
[08:50] <brobostigon> a normal kindle, or a tablet kindle, but the latter isnt so good, so more likely to be the former.
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's the old normal kindle
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> (post-keyboard but pre-paperwhite)
[08:52] <brobostigon> good, :)
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> and the charge is free!
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> (yay sunlight)
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> http://www.voltaicsystems.com/fuse4w.shtml
[08:52] <brobostigon> :)
[08:53] <brobostigon> yay for EM radiation.
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> Finally, a use for the big bright light in the blue room
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> :P
[08:54] <brobostigon> and gamma rays and photons.
[11:00] <SuperMatt> https://cloud.supermatt.net/public.php?service=files&t=41bd142409caec36ad02a9c34f965d25 <- well all right!
[11:01] <SuperMatt> oh, and there's another 1TB not mounted because it has my windows games
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: lots of spinning rust! ;)
[11:04] <SuperMatt> yup!
[11:04]  * MartijnVdS is playing with certtool from gnutls
[11:04] <SuperMatt> well, I was just coming up to the edge of the 5TB I did have
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I'm having a hard time filling up 2TB..
[11:07] <SuperMatt> I hoard a lot of TV programs and stuff
[11:08] <SuperMatt> oh and porn, always porn
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> sure but 4.9TB of it 8-)
[11:21] <redtape|renegade> Afternoon guys.
[11:33] <redtape|renegade> OT | One question today : Andy Murray or Novak Djokovic Today ?  Everyone seems to awaiting the bad news of the final .. #wimbledon
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I'm listening to F1
[11:35] <redtape|renegade> in wat language ? Pirrelli ?
[11:36] <redtape|renegade> :0
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: whatever they speak on BBC R5SX
[11:38] <redtape|renegade> redtape scans for BBC R5SX ...
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: "Radio 5 sports extra"
[11:42] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Nice & seems legit :: http://bit.ly/1a3cz1H ::: Last time I listened was the Olympics.
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I'm receiving it from a FreeSat transponder on Astra 2.. of course it's legit :)
[11:44] <redtape|renegade> Oh, it says 'cant play due to rights restrictions'  .. Sooooo it's playing yesterday's footie review .. can't get satellite as I don't own a Tele...
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: you can get a dish and sat card for your PC :)
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: isn't it on DVB-T as well?
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> (freeview)
[11:45] <redtape|renegade> dunno .. but redtape doesn't believe in the promise of television .. prefer radio, by far.
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> there are more radio stations than TV stations on free{sat,view} ;)
[11:47] <brobostigon> yep :)
[11:50] <redtape|renegade> I believe so .. but it's miniscule compared to radio on t'internet .. :: http://bit.ly/13CDst6 :: My Dad is getting the cheque for selling his TV firm on Monday due to on-line sales & PC World competition .. but TV has always been a 'product' for someone' else in my family.
[11:55] <redtape|renegade> I gave some DeNiro to ::  http://open.commonly.cc/ :: be nice if they could reach their target .. they've been going 12 days so far ..
[11:59] <redtape|renegade> I going to give to wm8650 attempt on Linux another try , if I can get it for £15 (P&P incl.) :: http://r.ebay.com/qZavXs :: but it's a long shot using Arch|ARM ..
[12:04] <penguin42> redtape|renegade: It's an ARM9 core - don't bother
[12:06] <penguin42> redtape|renegade: Now, if you're a good guy mechanically then using that chassis for a beagleboard:black would be more useful
[12:21] <redtape|renegade> penguin42: It's a technical experiment that has been proved before ..(see link at end).. if it works then I'll get one hundred and fifty of the same type for £5 each, which will go to the 3rdworld/charity. [ http://bit.ly/1a3gM5s ]  i.e.   Kinda glad I'm not top bidder now.
[12:50] <penguin42> redtape|renegade: Yeh it's terrible when it's burning a hole in your bank account
[12:51]  * redtape|renegade re-looksie's at the #LSE to get solaptops instead.
[12:58] <redtape|renegade> OT | redtape likes the new Alan Partridge Film .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRivx-wEaiE   .. Anyone seen it yet .& when's it gonna be on DVD ?
[13:21] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Cameraman down .. ::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTA05RezBac&feature=youtu.be :::
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: yes that was early in the race
[13:35] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: I can't wait for a tweetpic of the black eye :D
[13:51] <dogmatic69> I am trying to record some screen casts and have tried recordmydesktop with openshop video editor to put it together. But some sections of the output are stuck.
[13:51] <dogmatic69> Like the first 1 min of the video is the same frame, then it starts working
[13:51] <dogmatic69> anyone got better apps for this, or know what could be going on?
[13:53] <dogmatic69> it seems to be the openshot video that is breaking things
[13:54] <dogmatic69> the output from recordmydesktop seems fine
[13:56] <penguin42> tried ptivi?
[13:56] <penguin42> also kino and kdenlive
[13:56] <dogmatic69> nope, will try now
[13:56] <dogmatic69> it may just be the format, recordmydesktop spits out ovg or something.
[13:56] <dogmatic69> might be good to make it avi or something normal
[13:59] <dogmatic69> ptivi seems better already.
[13:59] <dogmatic69> thanks penguin42
[13:59] <penguin42> no prob
[14:01] <dogmatic69> man, so much smoother. openshot was pushing the CPU thought the roof and could not even show the preview properly.
[14:02] <dogmatic69> Can't belive it made 45k on kickstarter
[14:02] <dogmatic69> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-windows-mac-and-linux/posts
[14:05] <penguin42> no one said kickstarter selected for sanity
[14:14] <penguin42> dogmatic69: There seem to be a lot of video editors all of which have some down side; it would seem better to share some more
[14:15] <dogmatic69> they should just join forces
[14:16] <penguin42> yeh, although it's not too bad to have some competition between them - it helps push forward
[14:16] <dogmatic69> sure, but its not exactly a huge market
[14:16] <mgdm> and it's a hard problem
[14:17] <dogmatic69> like IDE's or something
[14:17] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:17] <dwatkins> Does anyone happen to know the name of the CD/DVD Creator application, so I can start it manually, please?
[14:17]  * penguin42 would use k3b
[14:17] <dwatkins> I renamed a directory and now it won't start when I try to send it to it
[14:18] <dwatkins> penguin42: yeah, I'm almost at that stage myself, Unity not letting me move the launcher etc.
[14:19] <penguin42> mgdm: I think the other problem is that there seem to be two separate focuses 'simple' and 'pro' where the simple are for those of us who just want to edit a quick clip we took of something, and the pro's want to make a small film
[14:19] <penguin42> dwatkins: You can use k3b in gnome as well
[14:19] <mgdm> ah yes
[14:19] <dwatkins> aha thanks penguin42
[14:19]  * dwatkins gives up on CD/DVD creator
[14:31] <redtape|renegade> OT | Just having a look at Audioboo to give proper audio messages on twitter ... Anyone tried it ? :: https://twitter.com/audioboo ::
[14:36] <oly> anyone here have a suggestion for a good device for outdoor use, thats portables and around 400
[14:37] <oly> main requirements are gtk, so i can run apps like inkscape and geany
[14:37] <oly> so no ubuntu touch unless x11 and gtk will be coming soon :)
[14:38] <oly> dell xps 10 looks like good potential but i can not find much about compatibility
[14:40] <penguin42> oly: I don't think you have much chance with ARM based Windows tablets
[14:40] <redtape|renegade> oly: You'd better get onto ebay.co.uk and take yur pick from these .. :: https://friendly.ubuntu.com/ :: but I always recommenmd system 76
[14:40] <penguin42> oly: Android tablets are more hackable because in the end they're running Linux already (and I think Windows on ARM are very locked down)
[14:41] <oly> yeah tempted with android, but the only option is ubuntu touch ?
[14:41] <oly> ie no gtk or X apps
[14:41] <penguin42> oly: It depends....
[14:41] <redtape|renegade> is it a tablet you are after ?
[14:41] <oly> tablet or small laptop,
[14:42] <oly> something portable, only for some hacking / graphics when i am about
[14:42] <oly> i have a 17 inch laptop it ways a tone :p
[14:42] <penguin42> oly: It's very variable by tablet /hardware - most of them you can persuade to run a chroot with Linux, getting X to work depends on the exact driver - I've got X just about tottering along on an ereader
[14:42] <penguin42> oly: But also getting power saving to work as well as Android is very difficult
[14:42] <oly> yeah, i know thats why i am asking about :)
[14:43] <penguin42> oly: Ubuntu Touch might not be a bad bet with Mir, as I understand there is an X backend'd by Mir - would be an interesting thing to try
[14:43] <redtape|renegade> oly. I'd just save up for a haswell in Q3~13, unless it's time critical ?
[14:44] <oly> yeah but i dont know how far of that is, no point getting it if i have to wait a year to run the apps i am after
[14:44] <penguin42> oly: nod
[14:44] <penguin42> oly: Maybe Asus transformer ?
[14:45] <penguin42> oly: Or one of the x86 tablets
[14:45] <oly> asus transformer looks good, but not sure its proper x86 apps ?
[14:45] <oly> whats the haswell redtape|renegade ?
[14:46] <penguin42> oly: It's not it's ARM
[14:46] <penguin42> oly: So get an x86 tablet?
[14:46] <oly> x86 tablet is an option but they all seem to be windows uefi, and not found one thats known to work :p
[14:46] <oly> i was hoping someone may have such a device which they are using :)
[14:47] <penguin42> UEFI in itself isn't such a problem - I think the x86 uefi's MS says you're supposed to be able to install your own stuff - not sure about the practice, or how well the touch works
[14:48] <penguin42> oly: But if you want to run inkscape/gnome there is no reason to restrict to x86 - they should work fine on ARM
[14:48] <oly> true, just reading about the transformer  again
[14:49] <redtape|renegade> penguin42: Maybe it's good with other optional prog.s .. althou I find use of a Transformer with Ubuntu .. as of yet .. ::: http://bit.ly/16gp85u ::
[14:50] <redtape|renegade> oly. Can you not just cross-search the ubuntu friendly page with an auction site and install ubuntu via there ?
[14:52] <oly> maybe but the ubuntu friendly site does not tell you about the machines quickly, weight size etc
[14:53] <oly> i dont want another brick :)
[14:53] <oly> got one already :-D
[14:53] <penguin42> haha - what did you brick?
[14:53] <penguin42> oh, you mean brick by weight?
[14:55] <oly> yeah, got a dell 17 studio works beautifully but i can just pop it into a bag and carry it around all day
[14:55] <penguin42> oly: The other question is how something like inkscape works with a touchscreen - touchscreens are a bit weird when you try themn on existing apps
[14:56] <oly> well inkscape says it supports touch
[14:57] <oly> i remember using inkscape and gimp on my n900 that worked, if very fiddly on a small screen :)
[14:57] <penguin42> ok yeh
[15:01] <redtape|renegade> The brief seems quite constrictive to answer, IMHO.
[16:29] <mgdm>  \o/ \o/ \o/
[16:29] <Pendulum> yay!
[16:29] <mgdm> Until last year I didn't give two hoots about tennis, that has changed :-)
[16:30] <Pendulum> haha
[16:31] <Pendulum> I was staying with friends outside Manchester who are big tennis fans in 2005 when he had his surprising run after Henman got knocked out.
[16:31] <Pendulum> That's what got me interested in tennis at all.
[16:33] <penguin42> Pendulum: Tennis must be good for you - all that swinging back and foward looking at one player and then the other
[16:33] <Pendulum> haha
[16:34] <mgdm> that's not really how it's filmed, though. it's more of an up-and-down eye movement. :P
[16:45] <penguin42> it's like Snooker, I never figure why with widescreen they don't just turn the camera around and have it going across
[16:50] <mgdm> I suspect with tennis it's because a lot of the interesting/important lines are the ones down the sides
[16:50] <mgdm> so it's easier to see the way it's filmed
[16:51] <mgdm> also, probably in part "because that's the way they've always done it"
[16:51] <Pendulum> For tennis I think you're definitely right regarding being able to see angles.
[16:53] <redtape|renegade> OT | Soooo Tim wins at Tennis .. who'd a thunk it !
[16:53] <mgdm> Yes, that is what happened.
[17:04] <redtape|renegade> Just realised it's 77years since last UK champion and it is the 7/7 today .. #just-sayin'
[17:11] <penguin42> Stockport will be upset, their Fred Perry way will be outdated now
[17:20]  * redtape|renegade tries to find a fitting conspiracy :: https://twitter.com/thetracyaustin/status/353925986842181632 :: #7thHeaven
[17:53] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[17:54] <brobostigon> evening bigcalm
[18:02] <dogmatic69> After updating to 13.04 from 12.04 printing has gone south. Now I get some margin top/left I cant seem to clear.
[18:02] <dogmatic69> anyone have ideas for that?
[18:09] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Even on the test page?
[18:29] <StevenR> hrrmph. Anyone in central Scotland and use Freeview? (Trying to determine if there's a problem with Black Hill (Lanarkshire) transmitter)
[18:30] <redtape|renegade> StevenR: The last time I used tv was two years ago .. but good luck with your question.
[18:30] <penguin42> StevenR: https://www.radioandtvhelp.co.uk/diagnostic/?id=IRDPIBK4IQ7HGHTA4D7HV584G6&uid=218553210  ?
[18:32] <StevenR> penguin42: thanks, I've already been down that route. They say "no reported problems". TBH, I suspect local antenna issue, but I was hoping to find someone else how happened to recive from the same transmitter
[18:32] <StevenR> *who happened
[18:41] <dwatkins> I don't even have an aerial; I'm in Edinburgh.
[18:53] <mgdm> StevenR: I'm pretty sure I'm on Black hill and it's fine
[18:54] <directhex> moop
[18:55] <StevenR> mgdm: thanks. Looking at other antennas, I might be on Craigkelly, but I don't know which antenna is mine
[18:56] <mgdm> StevenR: some boxes will tell you the transmitter ID
[18:56] <StevenR> mgdm: I'm not getting anything at all :)
[18:56] <mgdm> or you could work it out from the frequencies of the multiplexes
[18:56] <mgdm> (when it works, yes :)
[18:57] <mgdm> StevenR: or one way to tell is if you get the Glasgow or Edinburgh version of the STV News at Six :)
[18:57] <StevenR> yeah. Mythtv can probably tell me that, but it doesn't find a single channel
[18:59] <brobostigon> i wonder what they will do with new top gear ep, with the tennis still going on, hopefully thwy will ditch the tennis.
[18:59] <mgdm> I'd hope they'd move Top Gear
[18:59] <mgdm> it's not live
[19:00] <mgdm> Facebook is asking me to rate my office (as I've tagged photos there)
[19:00] <brobostigon> i find top gear significantly more entertaining, and also, when not move the tennix to bbc 1 ?
[19:00] <brobostigon> why not*
[19:01] <brobostigon> and delay country file?
[19:01] <brobostigon> or stick the tennis onto bbc3 or 4?
[19:01] <mgdm> BBC1 is their 'main'c hannel
[19:02] <brobostigon> by that same argument, country file is also pre-recorded. so they can shift that.
[19:03] <mgdm> They have contingencies for these things
[19:03] <mgdm> not sure what they are though
[19:03] <brobostigon> like sticking stuff onto red buttons, and online.
[19:04] <brobostigon> which it seems they have.
 Can anybody tell me how I would boot a .IMG (pfSense-2.0.3-RELEASE-1g-i386-nanobsd-20130412-1022.img) how can I boot this or run this on my machine?
 I have blank DVD-R's.
[19:28] <HoT|2fC^> I want to do this BSD Router :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: what does 'file' say?
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: file blah.img
[19:29] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS ^^ Above mate :)
[19:30] <HoT|2fC^> I wan't to run pfSense 2.0.3 Relaese.
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: yes.. run the command "file pfSense-2.0.3-RELEASE-1g-i386-nanobsd-20130412-1022.img" please :)
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> and paste the output
[19:30] <HoT|2fC^> Ok brb jumping on my Ubuntu machine :)
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> thanks MartijnVdS
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: that's not good for most hardware :P
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: "file" will just tell you what kind of file it is
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> what isnt ?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> jumping on a computer is bad for the computer :P
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> ah cool I want to run it :) maybe test?
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS hahah yeah it is idd
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: no, if "file" says it's an iso-9660 or UDF image, you can burn it to CD or DVD by opening "brasero" and loading the image and burning it
[19:32] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok MartijnVdS I will go and double check now :) thanks.. brb.
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> if it's a "partition table" or "file system" of some kind, you need to "dd" it to an USB stick, or a partition on $same
[19:32] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> (partition table to the device, so /dev/sdz for example; file system to the partition, so /dev/sdz1 for instance)
[19:33] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok ok :)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> but it's probably an ISO image
[19:33] <HoT|2fC^> Well I tried to do it here on my Windows box but its not happending.
[19:34] <HoT|2fC^> using Deamontools etc.. and other type of programmes
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> weird, burning ISOs to disc is built into Windows Vista and up
[19:34] <HoT|2fC^> VMware
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> just right-click and burn
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> it's a vmware image?
[19:34] <HoT|2fC^> nono I want to try it :)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> oh :)
[19:35] <HoT|2fC^> never mind I have that Oracle VM VirtualBox
[19:35] <HoT|2fC^> :)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> woo, radius accounting is working now \o/
[19:47] <popey> ebenink!
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> hi popey
[19:50] <brobostigon> yay, my dad has brought me back a bottle of talisker from his trip, :)
[19:50] <mgdm> \o/
[19:51] <brobostigon> yay
[19:51] <brobostigon> will be yummy.
[19:51] <brobostigon> hip flask refill, me thinks.
[19:52] <mgdm> I got a hip flask and a bottle of Talisker for my birthday
[19:52] <mgdm> I've not *yet* put the two together
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: have you ordered Broeders or Dark Roast yet? :)
[19:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it will have to wait roughly a week, for more money.
[19:55] <brobostigon> delivary cost is my worry.
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yeah, that's a bit steep.. international shipping :(
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> maybe they could get a discount if they shipped a shipping container at once.. :)
[19:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: certainly, that my worry. and my main reason why i might not.
[20:01]  * MartijnVdS should write up the steps to set up freeradius + WPA-enterprise
[20:02] <^2fC> :o
[20:02] <^2fC> Sounds interesting MartijnVdS :D
[20:02] <^2fC> I just come on my Linux box took me a while lol, had something to eat and drink first :D
[20:53] <popey> L4D2 TIME!
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> nah, Zzz o'clock
[20:55] <popey> nn


[17:09] <daftykins> crikey, ex-PM of Japan Abe getting shot - pretty crazy
[18:08] <jlj> Whoa
[18:08]  * jlj Looks for an article
[18:09] <jlj> "... a homemade gun..." wtf
[18:13] <daftykins> mmm, looked like a couple of pipes with a tonne of tape wrapped around
[18:26] <jlj> Abenomics... Man, I'm so uninformed
[19:23] <penguin42> I think they said they hadn't found any bullets either, so it makes you wonder what he used
[19:26] <daftykins> hmm
[19:41] <diddledani> ice?
[19:42] <diddledani> like that episode of columbo where the victim got stapped with a weapon made of ice and then thrown into a swimming pool - the ice obviously melted leaving zero traces of a weapon
[19:42] <daftykins> aww i haven't reached that one yet
[19:42] <daftykins> think i'm at the end of season 5


[00:48] <perlstein> hello
[00:49] <perlstein> are there juju charms that automatically deploy openstack for some common uses?
[00:49] <perlstein> i'm going by the openstack guide, but others on my team are suggesting that there's some charms i can check out to make it easier?
[00:49] <perlstein> i am having zero lucki finding them
[03:58] <sumanah> hazmat: m_3: got a moment?
[03:59] <sumanah> I'm writing up https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/NOLA_Hackathon#Topics.2C_Goals.2C_.26_Outcomes
[03:59] <sumanah> (nice photo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NOLA_Hackathon_13.jpg ) :)
[04:11]  * sumanah emails you both
[04:46] <SpamapS> perlstein: the charms are at http://code.launchpad.net/charm
[04:47] <SpamapS> perlstein: there's some info on how to use them spread out on wikis.. we're working on consolidating it
[11:17] <SpamapS> jamespage: hey, so, charm testing..
[11:18] <jamespage> SpamapS: hey
[11:18] <jamespage> any thoughts on my email from last month?
[11:18] <SpamapS> jamespage: we had a fairly deep conversation about it yesterday.. and we came up with something not at all compatible with what you guys have done. :p
[11:18] <jamespage> SpamapS, w00t
[11:19] <jamespage> whats the thinking then?
[11:19] <SpamapS> jamespage: we can likely use any of the tests you've already written, but the relation to a testing service has problems for automation of testing the entire graph of combinations of charms, which we very much want to do.
[11:20] <jamespage> SpamapS, I agree
[11:20] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-juju-charm-testing
[11:21] <SpamapS> jamespage: the whiteboard details the way that we'll do it..
[11:21] <SpamapS> jamespage: we'll have to blacklist any charms that have no sane defaults (like the recently submitted ELB charm that needs an AWS account #)
[11:23] <jamespage> TBH this is really what I wanted to see
[11:24] <jamespage> but I think that this is something a little different to the complex deployment testing objective we have
[11:25] <SpamapS> The idea behind this one is simply to ensure that testing happens automatically on all charms in the charm store.
[11:25] <jamespage> which I agree is v. important and fulfills a clear objective for juju and the charm store
[11:27] <SpamapS> I don't think the test runner will actually be that complex to write.
[11:27] <jamespage> it would be nice if this work could hook into the complex deployment testing stuff
[11:27] <SpamapS> The dependency resolution bits are actually already done in an older branch of juju.. so its just wrapping that around the right sequencing.
[11:28] <jamespage> i.e. we could use the internal charm tests as part of testing an specific stack of charms
[11:28] <jamespage> as well as testing it from the outside as well
[11:28] <jamespage> openstack being a case in point
[11:29] <SpamapS> Indeed
[11:30] <jamespage> SpamapS: are 'stacks' expected to be delivered soon i.e. the ability to specify which charms, how many units and relationships without scripts
[11:30] <SpamapS> jamespage: hazmat sent out a proposal for a near term roadmap that included import/export
[11:31] <jamespage> so with complex deployment testing the stuff I have today works around not having that
[11:31] <jamespage> the internal charm testing is broadly equivalent to __install__ tests
[11:31] <SpamapS> jamespage: right
[11:31] <jamespage> so I can probably bin that
[11:32] <jamespage> and just provide a nice way to hook in a set of black box system tests once the environment is fully deployed
[11:33] <jamespage> SpamapS: so with the charm testing I think we need a way to pull out test results and report on what passed and failed.
[11:33] <jamespage> an overall status is good - we can use that for acceptance into the charm store
[11:33] <jamespage> but details of what went wrong are important as well
[11:33] <jamespage> (sure that you already discussed this)
[11:34] <SpamapS> glossed over the details, but yes, the idea is to provide help for fixing whatever broke
[11:34] <jamespage> this is so lining up to become a jenkins plugin :-)
[11:34] <SpamapS> I'm hoping its just a script that one runs in jenkins. :)
[11:34] <jamespage> (have been holding off as I did not want to re-invent the wheel)
[11:35] <jamespage> yeah - but think about this
[11:35] <jamespage> an deployed juju environment is just a test fixture
[11:35] <SpamapS> I was thinking about it and really we can just have a thing that watches all branches for a commit, when it sees one, it merges that into a single bzr branch that is "the charms".. and then runs the test runner for the affected charm.
[11:36] <jamespage> so having a nice way to manage (import/export) and environment setup would be sweet
[11:36] <SpamapS> jamespage: right.. I could see it working as a jenkins plugin, but I couldn't see myself writing a jenkins plugin. ;)
[11:36]  * jamespage is up for that challenge
[11:36] <jamespage> heck you can even write them in python these days
[11:37] <jamespage> *experimental only
[11:37] <SpamapS> jamespage: I'm not sure I fully understand the value in making it a jenkins plugin vs. just running things in response to a bzr commit.
[11:37] <jamespage> so for the charm testing that is sufficient
[11:37] <jamespage> I was more thinking about complex deployment testing TBH
[11:38] <jamespage> i.e. set me up this environment
[11:38] <jamespage> I'll then test/run/build in it
[11:38] <jamespage> and then tear it down again
[11:38] <jamespage> it needs more thinking about
[11:39] <SpamapS> It feels odd when I think about how a juju env relates to jenkins.
[11:39] <jamespage> can we make sure that servercloud-p-juju-charm-testing happens before servercloud-p-complex-deployment-testing.
[11:39] <SpamapS> A general juju plugin would make a lot of sense.. since as you say, juju envs are just test fixtures. But how it would work.. I'm really not sure.
[11:40] <SpamapS> jamespage: yeah good idea
[11:40] <SpamapS> jamespage: as of last night it was before
[11:40] <jamespage> I'll add a deps
[11:41] <jamespage> done
[11:42] <SpamapS> ahh very nice
[11:42] <SpamapS> I forget that deps exist ;)
[11:43] <rog> hey guys, i'm off now for the afternoon. flight to UDS 6.30am tomorrow. looking fwd to seeing you there.
[11:45] <SpamapS> heh, I'm in Orlando airport waiting to fly home for the weekend. ;)
[11:45] <SpamapS> be back on Tuesday morning. :)
[11:45] <SpamapS> rog: see you here then. ;)
[11:46] <rog> SpamapS: great, hope all went well this week
[11:52] <SpamapS> rog: indeed, very productive (stayed almost completely focused on the charm store)
[12:34] <SpamapS> hrm, why doesn't our bot tell us about trunk commits? :-P
[14:58] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah.. it would be nice if the commits weren't client side
[14:58] <hazmat> er. messages about them
[15:31] <_mup_> juju/expose-refactor r414 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:31] <_mup_> Fix interaction of watch setup and retry test
[17:02]  * SpamapS awaits flight attendant rebuke and continues deleting... err.. reading email
[17:47] <_mup_> juju/expose-refactor r415 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:47] <_mup_> Docstrings, cleanup
[19:57] <_mup_> txzookeeper/session-and-conn-fail r60 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:57] <_mup_> 2nd refactor, simplify retry impl, remove magic instance rebinding, just simple delegator methods
[20:13] <_mup_> txzookeeper/session-and-conn-fail r61 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:13] <_mup_> refactor core tests for less exposed surface.
[21:17] <_mup_> juju/unlocalize-network r409 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:17] <_mup_> merge trunk
[21:21] <_mup_> juju/security-agents-with-identity r315 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:21] <_mup_> exposed grant access api, exists check on acl
[21:23] <_mup_> juju/trunk-merge r277 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:23] <_mup_> merge trunk
[21:26] <_mup_> juju/trunk r411 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:26] <_mup_> merge unlocalize-network [r=bcsaller,jimbaker][f=873335]
[21:26] <_mup_> Force explicit "C" locale to normalize output parsing of the libvirt cli.


[09:06] <michelle> xubuntu91w> My /dev/sda3 comes up as read only for root. How do I give users group read and write access?
[09:06] <Guest72306> xubuntu91w> My /dev/sda3 comes up as read only for root. How do I give users group read and write access?


[09:31] <mup> Bug #1619258 opened: netplan should allow NICs to be disconnected and not stall the boot <Snappy:Confirmed> <nplan (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619258>
[13:42] <noise][> FYI, network issues affecting multiple services, see http://status.snapcraft.io/


[05:47] <smacktalk> anyone know how to wget the driver for the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1800 ATSC/QAM/NTSC/FM PCIe x1 TV Tuner Card?
[05:47] <smacktalk> this is the second tuner I've tried...I'm about to give up.
[07:33] <Tanthrix> Hey, does anyone know if any special changes are necessary to make tru-hd / dolby digital plus work in myth? I have a 460 SE connected via DVI>DVI TO HDMI>Reciever with working 5.1 and regular dolby.
[07:33] <Tanthrix> It does not allow anything more than that though
[07:34] <Tanthrix> All the various audio outputs (I tried all of the ones listed in the mythtv setup wizard) that support more than older 5.1 don't output any audio on test. The only ones that do don't offer tru-hd, etc.. as available options


[01:03] <bluesabre> tacocat: thanks! We'll pull that in when we open the B cycle
[01:03] <bluesabre> Trying to get things lined up so the cycle is easier :)
[17:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin/news/20170930T135037Z.html
[19:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: hooray!


[00:00] <ohsix> firefox is spending a lot of time in clear_page_c when i open a new tab
[04:03] <dlbike76> Hi, I have a quick question.  How can I tell if the data in thermal_zone0 is correct?
[04:05] <ohsix> it comes from your bios vendor, they'd probably argue whatever it is that it's correct :]
[04:08] <dlbike76> Ok, so how do I convert the value in the temp file to a temperature value?
[04:09] <ohsix> the documentation for it in the kernel tree says it's in millicentigrade iirc
[04:10] <dlbike76> Thanks!
[04:11] <ohsix> Documentation/thermal/sysfs-api.txt
[04:18] <JanC> my guess is it's correct to about 2000-5000 "millicentigrade"  ;)
[04:19] <ohsix> millidegree celcius D:
[04:24] <ohsix> depends on the zone though
[04:34] <dlbike76> well it's showing 1000, so I don't think it's working.
[04:47] <ohsix> what "it"?
[04:47] <ohsix> there should be several trip points and actions for each
[04:49] <ohsix> you should probably look at that documentation to see what it all means
[05:33] <eruditehermit> hi, is there a backports package for alsa kernel modules?
[05:41] <ohsix> i don't see any yet, i dunno why they might have been dropped or not regenerated for natty yet
[05:42] <eruditehermit> ohsix, any suggestions for my alsa microphone problem?
[05:42] <eruditehermit> ohsix, seems to work with 2.6.39
[05:42] <eruditehermit> but the mixer for mic capture doesn't appear on 2.6.38
[16:24] <Azelphur> Can anyone help me get a log of a kernel panic off my netbook?