[00:21] <davecheney> thumper: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7222062/mongodb-composite-key
[00:30] <jcw4> davecheney, thumper wow... that looks very intriguing
[00:30] <thumper> jcw4: yeah, I'm going to write an email to juju-dev about keys in multi-environment servers
[00:31] <thumper> I'd like agreement and consistency before we dive head-first into schema changes
[00:31] <jcw4> +1
[00:32] <davecheney> thumper: oh, I thought we were all going to propose out champion
[00:32] <davecheney> then fight it out, thunderdome style
[00:32] <davecheney> oh wait
[00:32] <davecheney> that would be a bad idea
[00:32] <jcw4> mad max did come from down under didn't he?
[00:33] <davecheney> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/07._Mad_Max_Car_at_Silverton_Hotel,_Silverton,_NSW,_07.07.2007.jpg
[00:34] <davecheney> last of the V8 interceptors
[00:34] <jcw4> sweet... I've been through that town dozens of times and never saw that
[00:34] <jcw4> not
[00:35] <thumper> davecheney: I love that car
[00:35] <katco> hmm... why am i staring down a variable named x if i'm not dealing with a coordinate system...
[00:35] <thumper> looks awesome
[00:35] <thumper> katco: haha, +1 on making it mean something
[00:40] <katco> it is now named fishAndChips
[00:40] <katco> (or configKeyValues... one or the other)
[00:47] <jcw4> katco: like schrodingers cat?
[00:47] <katco> well, it's definitely one or the other :)
[00:48] <jcw4> hehe
[00:55] <stokachu> does the Machiner api expose http://godoc.org/github.com/juju/juju/state#Machine?
[00:57] <stokachu> btw, im working on a python3 api client for juju https://github.com/battlemidget/cloud-installer/blob/patch-split-core-logic/cloudinstall/juju/client.py
[00:57] <stokachu> now trying to figure out the api requests for accessing the Machine data
[01:01] <stokachu> or maybe api call to pull http://godoc.org/github.com/juju/juju/state/api#MachineStatus
[01:04] <thumper> stokachu: only the client api end points are callable by non-agents
[01:04] <thumper> stokachu: what is it you are really trying to do?
[01:04] <davecheney> 17 minutew to land a change
[01:04] <davecheney> NOICE
[01:04] <thumper> davecheney: \o/
[01:04] <davecheney> a grand improvement from this time last week
[01:04] <stokachu> thumper, want to access the machine data without having to call juju status
[01:05] <davecheney> o/ axw and wallyworld
[01:05] <thumper> stokachu: I don't think we allow that
[01:05] <axw> davecheney: howdy
[01:05] <stokachu> thumper, b/c no code exists or some other reason?
[01:05] <axw> davecheney: yeah, I wish I made that change ages ago :/
[01:06] <axw> I think the fastest I've seen so far is 16m. It should be considerably faster again when we have a dedicated instance for the lander
[01:06] <stokachu> our cloud-installer relies on calling out to juju <cmd> and i want to remove all that in favor of the api
[01:07] <stokachu> like i do with maas
[01:07] <thumper> stokachu: it think it was more to do with security
[01:07] <thumper> stokachu: so we didn't expose things to people who don't need them
[01:08] <stokachu> so if i file a bug will it get closed wontfix?
[01:08] <thumper> not if there is a clear and useful need for it
[01:08] <thumper> and it doesn't expose places where we can get screwed up
[01:09] <stokachu> if you're just exposing mostly read only it should be ok right?
[01:09] <stokachu> and its already exposed in juju status so we could just mimic that
[01:10] <stokachu> besides there is an api call to forcedestroy machines so i think you couldnt do worse than that :)
[01:11] <thumper> stokachu: could you not just use the status API?
[01:11] <thumper> why do you need another one?
[01:11] <stokachu> thumper, the status api only returns machine_id: {InstanceId}
[01:11] <stokachu> our cloud-installer requires information that isn't exposed by the api
[01:12] <axw> stokachu: you want to get machine status? http://godoc.org/github.com/juju/juju/state/api#Client.Status ?
[01:12] <stokachu> {"RequestId":2,"Response":{"Machines":{"0":{"InstanceId":"localhost"},"1":{"InstanceId":"adam-local-machine-1"},"2":{"InstanceId":"adam-local-machine-2"},"3":{"InstanceId":"adam-local-machine-3"}}}}
[01:12] <stokachu> thats all thats returned from the Status api call
[01:12] <axw> huh
[01:13] <axw> stokachu: what version of juju?
[01:13] <stokachu> 1.18.4
[01:13] <axw> menn0: ^^ does this have anything to do with the FullStatus changes?
[01:13] <axw> I think there may be some fallback code for 1.18
[01:13] <thumper> stokachu: that just seems wrong
[01:13] <stokachu> theres a LegacyStatus call
[01:14] <thumper> status definitely returns more than that
[01:14] <thumper> godoc.org/github.com/juju/juju/state/api#MachineStatus
[01:14] <stokachu> https://github.com/battlemidget/cloud-installer/blob/patch-split-core-logic/cloudinstall/juju/client.py#L80-L83
[01:14] <stokachu> thats the request parameters i use
[01:15] <axw> stokachu: I think you actually want to call "FullStatus" from 1.18+
[01:15] <stokachu> lemme try that
[01:15] <axw> it's hidden by the API
[01:16] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/state/api/client.go#L145
[01:16] <thumper> line 157 shows "FullStatus" being called
[01:17] <stokachu> axw, calling FullStatus works
[01:17] <thumper> \o/
[01:17] <stokachu> should Status call that in later versions I guess?
[01:18] <axw> cool
[01:18] <stokachu> or is FullStatus in process of being documented
[01:18] <axw> stokachu: in the Go code it does: the client method is called Status, but it calls FullStatus under the hood
[01:19] <stokachu> was that introduced after 1.18.x?
[01:19] <stokachu> just trying to understand why calling Status failed
[01:19] <stokachu> well failed to pull FullStatus
[01:20] <stokachu> i see where its called in the latest api code
[01:20] <axw> we don't have versioning (yet) on APIs, so if the structure of the parameters becomes incompatible we have to change the API name
[01:21] <stokachu> ah ok
[01:21] <stokachu> thumper, yea this was what i was looking for
[01:22] <axw> stokachu: so it was actually introduced as a stub in 1.16, but I think full functionality didn't arrive till 1.18
[01:22] <stokachu> gotcha
[01:23] <stokachu> func (c *Client) Status() (api.LegacyStatus, error) { < - this api.LegacyStatus why it doesn't show the FullStatus properly?
[01:28] <axw> stokachu: I don't really recall whether that was all it ever had, or if it was purposefully hobbled. We used to go directly to mongo to get the status of entities, but I can't remember what part the API had
[01:28] <stokachu> ok cool
[01:43] <waigani> you don't need to explicitly call setupsuite on an embedded suite if you only have one right?
[01:44] <thumper> waigani: correct
[01:46] <waigani> thumper: thanks
[02:12] <waigani> what are some examples of jujuconnsuite being overused/wrongly used?
[02:12] <waigani> menn0: ^?
[02:14] <menn0> waigani: I believe there's some suites that don't actually use an API connection but still embed JujuConnSuite (probably due to copy and paste)
[02:14] <menn0> waigani: there's also a bunch of suites that should be mocking the API instead of using a real API connection
[02:14] <waigani> menn0: ah right, thanks
[02:18] <waigani> when testing ops on docs, should that be mocked or not (that sounds like a bad Dr Seuss rhyme)?
[03:13] <bigjools> a bunch of NUCs with SSDs actually makes deployment with juju and maas quite painless
[03:20] <davecheney> waigani: wallyworld axw thumper https://github.com/juju/testing/pull/19
[03:20] <davecheney> small cleanups for the testing package
[03:22] <thumper> davecheney: given that you are always telling us not to throw away the err...
[03:22] <thumper> why are you?
[03:24] <davecheney> i can't be bothered extending that massive if condition
[03:24] <davecheney> someone else can later if they want
[03:54] <thumper> axw: is the environment name for machine placement actually every checked?
[03:54] <axw> thumper: I forget. it's mainly there for future usage
[03:54] <axw> I'll check
[03:54] <thumper> hmm...
[03:54] <thumper> I'm trying to hide the EnvName from the environment command
[03:55] <thumper> so I can allow passing of everything through command line or environment
[03:55] <thumper> so may not have a name referring to something on disk
[03:56] <axw> thumper: it is checked in apiserver/client.Client.addOneMachine
[03:57] <axw> thumper: why do you want to hide EnvName?
[03:57] <axw> I don't quite understand
[03:57] <thumper> because env name is getting confused
[03:57] <thumper> it isn't really the env name at all
[03:58] <thumper> but a local alias to an environment uuid/username pair
[03:58] <thumper> in order to support better scripting
[03:58] <axw> right
[03:58] <thumper> we want to be able to have a script define an environment
[03:58] <thumper> a set of env vars
[03:58] <thumper> that the juju commands can just use
[03:58] <thumper> so the machine that the script is run on
[03:58]  * axw nods
[03:58] <thumper> doesn't need the cached environment connection files
[03:58] <thumper> so...
[03:58] <thumper> EnvName may well be blank
[03:59] <thumper> so in a prep branch
[03:59] <thumper> I'm trying to hide it
[03:59] <axw> ok
[03:59] <thumper> and provide functions to get a client api
[03:59] <thumper> and other bits where it is used
[03:59] <thumper> it is surprising how much data creep there is
[04:00] <axw> thumper: I *guess* the placement scope should be translated from environment name (alias) to uuid+username then
[04:00] <thumper> if you have something public, people will use it
[04:00] <axw> heh :)
[04:00] <axw> and use it in unexpected ways
[04:00] <thumper> right
[04:00] <thumper> axw: uuid would probably be sufficient
[04:00] <axw> yeah I guess, user is implied
[04:00]  * thumper nods
[04:08] <thumper> axw: actually, there is a problem with this code...
[04:08] <thumper> axw: if I rename my connection file
[04:09] <thumper> axw: this won't work
[04:09] <thumper> axw: because it will say "invalid environment name"
[04:10] <axw> yeah... that will need to change if we're not requiring the .jenv to be there
[04:10] <thumper> axw: also if I just rename my jenv file
[04:11] <thumper> my local aliase won't match the environment name
[04:11] <thumper> oh man
[04:11] <thumper> so much for being a quick and easy branch
[04:11] <thumper> fucking tenticles everywhere
[04:12] <axw> thumper: I thought we were going to have a command to create a .jenv file from connection settings?
[04:12] <thumper> we probably are
[04:12] <thumper> but if I specify everything on the environment
[04:12] <thumper> I don't want it touching the file system
[04:12] <axw> fair enough
[04:35] <thumper> coffee time
[06:48] <TheMue> morning
[07:46] <voidspace> morning
[08:37] <TheMue> voidspace: morning
[08:56] <dimitern> TheMue, voidspace, hey
[08:57] <dimitern> I'd love a review on this https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/243/
[08:57] <urulama> the parsing of environment.yaml fails if there is a line with a tab ('\t') but without entry of attributes. looked at LP for such bug and couldn't find one. using juju 1.19.4
[08:58] <urulama> let me know if this is not reported yet
[09:05] <TheMue> dimitern: *click*
[09:06] <dimitern> urulama, so is it valid yaml?
[09:06] <dimitern> TheMue, ta
[09:06] <urulama> dimitern: yes, replacing tabs with spaces worked
[09:07] <urulama> dimitern: the parsing only fails if there are tabs as prefixes to attributes
[09:07] <dimitern> urulama, using tabs in a yaml file is forbidden
[09:07] <dimitern> urulama, http://www.yaml.org/faq.html
[09:08] <urulama> dimitern: yes, however, imagine user with an editor that automatically ads tabs ...
[09:09] <dimitern> urulama, I'm not saying it can't happen, but this is like saying "invalid html should still show up correctly" :)
[09:10] <dimitern> urulama, what's the error you're getting?
[09:10] <urulama> dimitern: not saying it's a bug, maybe a "usability error" ... maybe adding "don't use tabs" in description could help a bit
[09:11] <urulama> dimitern: it's simply "ERROR: couldn't read the environment"
[09:11] <dimitern> urulama, right, I agree it's a usability issue and please, file a bug for it, so we can keep it in mind
[09:11] <urulama> dimitern: ok
[09:14] <rogpeppe> urulama: yaml is a ridiculous format :-)
[09:20] <dimitern> mgz, hey
[09:20] <dimitern> mgz, is goose still on launchpad ?
[09:22] <TheMue> dimitern: you’ve got a review
[09:23] <TheMue> voidspace: still troubles merging the replica set test?
[09:26] <dimitern> TheMue, thanks
[09:28] <TheMue> dimitern: it’s nice to see how IPv6 soaks into the code (hope I took the correct verb)
[09:31] <dimitern> TheMue, yeah :)
[09:58] <voidspace> TheMue: yep
[09:58] <voidspace> mgz: ping
[10:00] <perrito666> morning
[10:00] <voidspace> perrito666: morning
[10:00] <voidspace> mgz: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/238
[10:00] <voidspace> mgz: this got a "merge request accepted" 18 hours ago but hasn't been run
[10:00] <voidspace> mgz: meanwhile other ones have
[10:11] <mgz> voidspace: looking
[10:13] <mgz> voidspace: see job 371
[10:13] <mgz> ec2 fell over, I'll requeue on the bot
[10:15] <voidspace> ah, I did have a look to see if it ran
[10:15] <voidspace> I must have missed that
[10:15] <voidspace> mgz: ah, but it was marked as failure - the bot didn't see it though?
[10:16] <voidspace> "
[10:16] <voidspace> InvalidInstanceID.NotFound: The instance ID 'i-7444355f' does not exist"
[10:16] <mgz> yeah, made teh job fall over in such a waay as it didn't get to the reporting back step
[10:17] <voidspace> wwitzel3: ping for when you're around
[10:17] <voidspace> wwitzel3: and fully caffinated
[10:45] <voidspace> dimitern: TheMue: I'll be five minutes late to stdup - sorry
[10:45] <dimitern> voidspace, no worries
[10:47] <dimitern> vladk, standup?
[10:58] <ChrisW> how do standups work when everyone's remote?
[11:02] <perrito666> I would greatly appreciate a second look at https://github.com/juju/testing/pull/18
[11:02] <perrito666> ChrisW: hangout
[11:03] <TheMue> voidspace: it failed again, really strange
[11:04] <TheMue> perrito666: will take a look in a few moments, just have to change place (too warm on the verranda)
[11:04] <perrito666> TheMue: 1st world problems :p
[11:04] <TheMue> hehe, indeed
[11:08] <voidspace> TheMue: yep, they look completely unrelated though
[11:08] <voidspace> TheMue: I tried again locally and everything passes
[11:10] <TheMue> voidspace: so there seems to be something different on the ec2 hosts
[11:10] <mgz> voidspace: looks like the run's tests failed, but the pr should be back in a sane state now
[11:11] <voidspace> TheMue: mgz: yeah, I've tried again in the hope that it's spurious
[11:12] <mgz> that one of the failures is in a new test (..BothIPv4AndIPv6) isn't encouraging
[11:12] <ChrisW> juju-gui totally written in JS?
[11:12] <mgz> looks like new flakiness
[11:14] <frankban> ChrisW: yes, it uses a Python server when deployed using the Juju GUI charm, which enables some additional features (like bundle deployments) but the core application is client-side JS
[11:15] <ChrisW> fascinating :-) Interesting to see that most of the juju-gui team appear to be ex plone/zope people :-)
[11:18] <frankban> ChrisW: :-) it used to be like that, but now we have some great JS guys in the team
[11:19] <TheMue> perrito666: review done, with a minor comment.
[11:19] <perrito666> TheMue: thank you very much
[11:19] <TheMue> perrito666: yw
[11:19] <ChrisW> heh, you saying plone/zope guys aren't great with JS? ;-)
[11:54] <TheMue> voidspace: yay, it merged
[11:58] <voidspace> awsome
[11:58] <voidspace> TheMue: at last :-)
[12:01] <TheMue> voidspace: somehow strange that it had so much troubles. if it would be a failing test, and always the same, then the problem can easily be located
[12:01] <TheMue> voidspace: but it looks absolutely strange here, once even a panic during build
[12:42] <frankban> hi all, it seems 1.20 inadvertently changed the structure returned by the mega-watcher for machines. please see bug 1337831. Even if the quickstart fix should be easy enough, it's worth noting this seems to be an accidental change to the public API
[12:42] <_mup_> Bug #1337831: Quickstart crashes when used with juju 1.20 <juju-quickstart:In Progress by frankban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337831>
[12:42] <frankban> fwereade: ^^^
[13:35] <rogpeppe> fwereade: shall we have that chat some time?
[13:38] <perrito666> people anyone would like to take a second look to https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/4 before I merge it? It has only been reviewed by me
[13:42] <TheMue> perrito666: *click*
[13:43] <perrito666> TheMue: you are the on call reviewer and I am making your day hell?
[13:43] <perrito666> uh, I am on call reivewer
[13:44] <perrito666> :p
[13:44] <perrito666> its a good thing I have been reviewing since I got up
[13:44] <TheMue> *lol*
[14:34] <bodie_> morning all
[14:34] <bodie_> blam blam 'murca
[14:35] <katco> good morning all :)
[14:38] <katco> i came across a curious few lines. should this panic be removed? c.Assert(scripts[0].line, gc.Matches, pats[0].line, gc.Commentf("line %d", scripts[0].index))
[14:38] <katco> 				panic("unreachable")
[14:39] <perrito666> katco: morning, isnt today a holiday for you?
[14:39] <katco> perrito666: it is
[14:39] <katco> but i want this change in before boston so i don't lose that velocity. i'm almost done. really should have finished it yesterday
[14:40] <katco> plus coding is what i do for fun :)
[14:41] <katco> i promise i'm not this much of a workaholic... i just like to do deep dives to get going. i hope i'm not giving a bad impression =/
[14:42] <jcw4> katco: you're on probation... too much of this workaholic stuff and BAM
[14:42] <jcw4> :)
[14:42] <katco> lol
[14:42] <TheMue> katco: morning
[14:42] <katco> no really, back when i was a lead i actively discouraged this kind of thing.
[14:43] <katco> but i don't like staying new for too long ;p
[14:43] <katco> TheMue: good morning :)
[14:43] <jcw4> katco: +1
[14:44] <TheMue> katco: those unreachable-panics are from earlier times, when Go wanted a return (or panic). today it detects when a code is unreachable.
[14:44] <TheMue> katco: so IMHO they can be removed
[14:44] <katco> TheMue: ahh! ok that makes a lot more sense
[14:46] <katco> gosh... changing upstart config files just breaks all kinds of tests
[14:46] <katco> spending more time fixing the tests than the bug
[14:47] <perrito666> that is true for almost anything in juju
[14:47] <perrito666> I am still fixing ripples from 2 lines I changed on agent
[14:47] <katco> hmm... i have been watching with great interest discussions about what level of testing is sane, and how not impact architecture just for the sake of testing
[15:12] <TheMue> so, preparing for football, I’m off
[15:12] <rogpeppe> katco: that's a very interesting subject
[15:12] <rogpeppe> katco: it's something i struggle with all the time
[15:12] <katco> rogpeppe: i really think so. testing has kind of crept in and become this thing you automatically do
[15:12] <katco> rogpeppe: as always, have to find the middle way :)
[15:13] <rogpeppe> katco: i think that 100% testing is often a necessity in dynamically typed languages, but i think can be overkill in a statically type lang
[15:14] <rogpeppe> katco: i personally don't mind leaving "obviously trivial" pieces of code untested, particularly when the impact of failure will be obvious when the code is actually run
[15:14] <rogpeppe> katco: but then again, i have also had my share of places where those pieces of code were actually wrong in some way
[15:15] <katco> rogpeppe: yeah, same here
[15:16] <rogpeppe> katco: the classic example is: func SomeValue() string {return "some value"}; then the test is func TestSomeValue(c *gc.C) {c.Assert(pkg.SomeValue(), gc.Equals, "some value")}
[15:16] <rogpeppe> katco: is that test really worth writing?
[15:16] <katco> i would say no on that one :)
[15:16] <rogpeppe> katco: it's a slippery slope :-)
[15:16] <katco> i operate on the philosophy that tests reduce velocity, so they need to be on trial
[15:16] <katco> but yes, definitely a slipperly slope
[15:17] <katco> i also operate on the philosophy that smart devs are smart, and we should rely on their good judgement and not make uniform statements like, "all code should be tested" :)
[15:17] <rogpeppe> katco: i agree entirely. i love tests of tricky code, but the tests in juju are also a real burden we are constantly having to bear
[15:18] <katco> i have spent the last day trying to understand a test... i don't know, i know i'm new, but that seems like an issue
[15:19] <bodie_> heheh...  there are some really hairy ones
[15:19] <katco> this particular one sets up a giant string, then there's a function that splits it on newlines, loops over the newlines, and performs regex escaping magic
[15:19] <katco> about drove me batty! :p
[15:20] <bodie_> check out worker/uniter/uniter_test.go.... that's where I've been poking around for a week or two
[15:20] <bodie_> I've never seen anything quite like it
[15:20] <katco> lol
[15:20] <katco> should tests be more complicated than the code they're testing?
[15:20] <katco> interesting question
[15:21] <bodie_> there's a cost/benefit between ease of test creation, vs simple extendability if you're testing a very featureful package, I think
[15:22] <bodie_> that uniter test is a great example, because while it looks huge, and weird, and complicated at first glance, it makes it very simple to add new tests as sequences of steps
[15:23] <katco> yeah, i see the benefit of that angle
[15:23] <bodie_> and, there are tons of tests in it (which is itself probably not a great thing)
[15:23] <katco> i suppose in that case a few comments explaining the framework would go a long way
[15:23] <bodie_> yes... lol
[15:24] <katco> well this is very interesting. i don't feel quite as dumb as i did yesterday ;)
[15:24] <katco> having said that... i think i'm _finally_ ready to land this change
[15:25] <katco> and then i can get on with my holiday! :p
[15:25] <bodie_> it was a bit of a ramp up for me as well, but somehow the illusion of complexity keeps dissolving into clear simplicity as I keep digging
[15:25] <bodie_> I'm not sure whether to blame Go or the smart people writing this code :)
[15:26] <katco> go does seem to force me towards good simple code. it's one of the reasons i love it
[15:27] <perrito666> katco: usually that is the programmers skill, I have yet to see a language that forces people into writing good code
[15:28] <katco> perrito666: i definitely agree. but i have hit brick walls in go, and a week later i realize it's because there's a much simpler way. i.e.: i was fighting the language
[15:29] <katco> ok here we go... 2nd PR: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/245
[15:29] <katco> definitely appreciate feedback on this one
[15:31] <perrito666> katco: did you do the autosquash part before submitting this?
[15:31] <katco> perrito666: no i forgot... i thought about going back, but the documentation says "optionally"
[15:31] <katco> i can definitely go back and do it if you like
[15:33] <perrito666> katco: hey, if it says optionally, who am I to say something :p
[15:34] <katco> perrito666: lol i really don't mind. i plan on doing it in the future. i just want to land this thing!
[15:53] <katco> perrito666: happy to discuss in addition to the comment i just made. just lmk. i think it's a relatively safe change.
[15:59] <katco> perrito666: i have to step away for a bit. please lmk if/when i can land this so i can sign off for the weekend!
[15:59] <katco> bbiab
[16:05] <perrito666> katco: ok, with context now, it seems fine, if you want to get another review from someone here even better if not, go ahead and merge it, I trust you ran all the tests :)
[16:11] <jcw4> perrito666, katco I scanned through and it LGTM too
[16:11] <jcw4> I can add a comment if wanted
[16:33] <rogpeppe> fwereade: are you done yet, or time for a little more resources discussion?
[16:34] <fwereade> rogpeppe, let's, but gimme 5 mins
[16:34] <rogpeppe> fwereade: sure
[16:37] <katco> perrito666: jcw4: tyvm; i did run through all the tests. landing now
[16:42] <mgz> katco: you're being a guinea pig for me, don't be alarmed by spam on or pr
[16:43] <katco> mgz: haha ok
[16:43] <katco> keep in mind that after this lands i'm outta here!
[16:44] <mgz> katco: ideally, you won't see anything, so it should be fine :)
[16:44] <mgz> jsut futzing with the landing job
[16:44] <katco> mgz: sure, sure! i've heard that before! ;)
[16:48] <katco> pro tip: vivaldi's "summer" makes anticipating the build result much more exciting
[16:50] <jcw4> katco: not The Ride of the Valkyrie's ?
[16:50] <katco> rofl
[16:50] <mgz> hm, labix.org seems to be being not super-reliable
[16:50] <katco> summer is more dynamic... will it build? it will! or will it?? (bites nails)
[16:50] <jcw4> hehe
[16:50] <katco> mgz: his cert expired
[16:50] <mgz> ah, thanks
[16:59] <katco> workflow question: supposing this lands successfully, do i mark the bug on launchpad as "Fix Committed"?
[17:01] <mgz> katco: yup
[17:16] <katco> hallelujia i'm done with this change! lol
[17:16] <katco> alright all, i will see you fine people next week!
[17:16] <jcw4> happy 4th!
[17:16] <katco> same!
[17:18] <mgz> katco: see you next week :)
[18:42] <mfoord> g'night all
[18:42] <mfoord> some of you I'll see on Monday
[19:38] <bac> fwereade_: you around?
[19:38] <fwereade_> bac, kinda sorta
[19:38] <fwereade_> bac, what can I do for you?
[19:38] <bac> fwereade_: should be quick.  can you explain ian's point in the last comment at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1316174
[19:38] <_mup_> Bug #1316174: 'precise-updates/cloud-tools' is invalid for APT::Default-Release <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316174>
[19:39] <bac> fwereade_: on precise i have installed juju-core and juju-local.  i expect that to be sufficient but i cannot bootstrap an lxc environment due to this bug.
[19:41] <fwereade_> bac, I think he's saying "we will fix this by checking whether the user can get the right version of mongodb and fail before getting that far", and I hope it also implies "we will explain what the problem is and how to resolve it in the error message""
[19:41] <bac> fwereade_: is there a work-around?
[19:43] <fwereade_> bac, I'm not immediately sure, I'm afraid, but I had *thought* that installing juju-local should be sufficient
[19:43] <bac> fwereade_: ok.  i'm trying to qa juju-quickstart and it is currently broken on precise.  i'll update the bug with questions for ian.  thanks for your time past eod.
[19:45] <fwereade_> bac, i suspect that https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1289316 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1290890 are also relevant, but I don't have enough context to know what';s really going on
[19:45] <_mup_> Bug #1289316: lxc not installed from ubuntu-cloud.archive on precise <lxc> <maas> <precise> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Released by wwitzel3> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289316>
[19:45] <_mup_> Bug #1290890: juju 1.17.5 RC cannot deploy to precise <ci> <deploy> <precise> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Released by wwitzel3> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290890>
[19:45] <fwereade_> wwitzel3, ^^


[16:34] <arraybolt3> I think the XScreenSaver file is finally ready. There was one more button that wasn't working that works now (the Documentation button in the settings dialogs for individual screensavers), and I also have GLMatrix set as the default screensaver.
[16:36] <arraybolt3> Pretty much everything works now. The only complaint I still have is that when you press the Documentation button, the text from "man" seems to be stuck in 80-column mode, so it doesn't fill out the whole QTerminal popup window (or sometimes it doesn't quite fit and ends up looking weird). But I don't know if that ever worked right, and I currently don't see a way to fix it. So I think this
[16:36] <arraybolt3> is probably good enough.
[16:41] <arraybolt3> The hopefully finished config: https://termbin.com/1j8b
[16:41] <arraybolt3> kc2bez: ^
[16:56] <arraybolt3> Thanks :) I'll get it uploaded and prepare the SRU today most likely.
[17:03] <arraybolt3> I just finally really understood why a symbols file is necessary. liblxqt has a potentially-ABI-breaking fix needed for LFS on i386 in Debian, and it literally just clicked that having the symbols file will tell me if the change I intend on making breaks ABI or not.
[17:03] <arraybolt3> s/LFS/Large File Support/ (since LFS can mean more than one thing)
[18:35] <arraybolt3> Don't we have a bug about XScreenSaver's configuration window being totally glitchy on Kinetic and Lunar?
[18:35] <arraybolt3> After how much we've worked on the bug itself, I'm surprised that I can't find the bug report now.
[18:38] <arraybolt3> nvm, found it
[18:50] <arraybolt3> kc2bez: I did make one more change to the file (changing my mind about enabling chooseRandomImages) since I'd like for this update to be SRU-able as is, and I think that enabling that feature might be outside what you
[18:50] <arraybolt3> you're supposed to do in an SRU.
[18:51] <arraybolt3> *Sigh*, disabling XFlame probably falls outside the scope of an SRU too.
[18:52]  * arraybolt3 grumbles and undoes that change too, then redoes it in only Lunar
[19:50] <arraybolt3> Actually, I'll save that change for a full packaging update - it looks like lubuntu-default-settings could use some help.
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Hey arraybolt3, looks like you've really been active recently :) would you have time from 3-4 PM or so today to just catch me up and summarize everything?
[19:53] <tsimonq2> I'd like to jump back in a little bit and it would be good to make sure we're all on the same page on everything :)
[20:07] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Sounds like a plan!
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Glad to have you back :)
[20:07] <arraybolt3> (btw I fully migrated to the new homeserver so even if you don't make an account, at least join #lubuntu-devel:lubuntu.me)
[20:08] <arraybolt3> wrt XScreenSaver, the fix is uploaded to Lunar, and will be ready for SRU-ing... well, I guess whenever Britney gets around to it.
[21:03] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: One moment, I'm slightly delayed, give me like 3 minutes.
[21:23]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> does some testing
[21:24]  * lubot [matrix] <tsimonq2> grabs a VM for some testing of 22.10 -> 23.04
[21:26]  * lubot [matrix] <kc2bez> needs another test machine
[21:27]  * guiverc is using snd_hda_intel  so intel too
[21:30]  * lubot [matrix] <tsimonq2> bugs Eickmeyer
[21:31]  * lubot [matrix] <eickmeyer> in Pinhead's voice.... "YOU SUMMONED ME.... AND I CAME."
[21:34]  * lubot [matrix] <tsimonq2> runs
 "[matrix] <Simon Quigley> Also, I..." <- Nice try, but fail
[21:36] <tsimonq2> RikMills[m]: hahahahahahaha
[21:37]  * lubot [matrix] <eickmeyer> scratches head
[21:39]  * guiverc uses hexchat; no pings if I have music playing though :(
[21:40]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> wonders what Ubuntu Desktop shows in the face of `apt list --installed | grep gstreamer`
[21:41] <guiverc> hexchat acts normal (sound wise) if no video playing in chromium/firefox or clementine not playing music
[21:41] <guiverc> if firefox/chromium/clementine playing audio, hexchat is silent  (or vice-versa..)
[21:42]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> just used plain-ol Apt
[21:51]  * lubot [matrix] <kc2bez> slowly waits for my slow download.
[21:59]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> just accidentally destroyed the VM...
[22:05] <guiverc> installing pipewire-alsa only arraybolt3 ?    I installed it here 90+secs ago & no difference, even on restarting chromium
[22:06] <guiverc> ack...  I'll logout & return shortly.
[22:09]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> is somewhat amazed at how fast that went.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Nice!!!!
[22:11]  * lubot [matrix] <kc2bez> is installing lunar on my Toshiba potato.
[22:12] <tsimonq2> My gut tells me we should ask the TB about this...
[22:32]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> has to go afk, see you later!
[22:33] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Merge 5 in lxqt-team/liblxqt "Releasing debian version 1.2.0-5." [Opened]
[22:48] <guiverc> hexchat is still silent for me with chromium/clementine playing... on this box anyway
[22:54] <guiverc> i've also had success; my box maybe having 'unique' issues... after all my exit earlier was it rebooted without cause!  so my ^ maybe red-herring..
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: Sounds to me like you might have bigger issues.
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> Sounds... no pun intended.
[22:57]  * guiverc needs a new primary box
[22:59] <guiverc> I wonder if that additional package (pipewire-alsa) just made it so my selected WAV sounds no longer play in hexchat;  I can use ogg & mp3... My issue is maybe I just need to change my audio files
[23:00] <guiverc> (or likely convert my WAV to mp3/ogg)
[23:00] <guiverc> I now suspect that is my issue anyway; WAV files can no longer be used in hexchat with pipewire-alsa fix... sound reasonable? or I'm 'reaching' ?
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> Worth a shot, but I assumed arraybolt3 was using the default config. Might be reaching.
[23:01] <guiverc> my config is FAR from default.. I've been using hexchat for years
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> Also depends on how the wav file was encoded as wav is just a wrapper anyhow.
[23:02] <guiverc> very likely... the WAV files were from Star Trek dvds & I picked what I thought appropriate
[23:03] <guiverc> Thanks Eickmeyer for giving my hexchat sound whilst music etc played !!  Greatly appreciated
[23:03] <Eickmeyer> Well, glad I could point you in the right direction!
[23:05] <guiverc> fyi.  my WAV files are playing fine outside of hexchat; just hexchat no longer uses them :(
[23:05] <Eickmeyer> Oh, so #BlameHexchat?
[23:07] <arraybolt3> Heresy!
[23:07] <guiverc> LOL
[23:07] <arraybolt3> Hexchat rocks, WeeChat too.
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> Meh, spin-up a TheLounge instance on a personal server and be done.
[23:10]  * arraybolt3 just learned that #ubuntu-budgie is a channel


[04:45] <kira19> hi i just install xubuntu and the wifi desconects evry minute !!! what could i do (sorry my english)
[04:54] <LNCP> Hey. Is there any way to get the xubuntu live dvd to mount one of my hard drives? I'd like to work on some documents in them while the distro installs, but apparently the "daemon is inhibited".
[04:58] <baizon> LNCP: yes it is possible
[04:59] <baizon> ... it should be possible
[05:13] <Mathsterk> baizon: it isn't possible while installing (if you are installing on the same disk) :P
[05:13] <baizon> yes your right
[05:13] <LNCP> baizon, sorry for dropping out like that.
[05:14] <LNCP> I'm using a different drive, so it shouldn't be a problem.
[05:14] <baizon> but i thought it is a seperate partition
[05:14] <LNCP> So, how can I mount the drive?
[05:16] <baizon> LNCP: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mount-drive-from-command-line-ubuntu-linux/
[05:16] <baizon> that didnt work?
[05:19] <LNCP> baizon, it worked. Thanks! :D
[05:19] <baizon> np
[05:32] <Mathsterk> :P
[06:53] <Mathsterk> weird, i got the "panel showing in full screen" problem
[07:14] <xubuntu764> ciao
[09:00] <popolon> hi
[09:00] <popolon> I just come to say that the s flag was forgot on the /usr/sbin/hddtemp
[09:00] <popolon> forgotten ?
[09:05] <astraljava> popolon: Could you elaborate a bit on this, please?
[09:05] <popolon> do you know the function of the s flag ?
[09:10] <Mathsterk> chmod +s ? or something
[09:13] <astraljava> popolon: man pages are great for finding out the purpose of various flags.
[09:13] <astraljava> popolon: In this case; -s, --separator=char
[09:13] <astraljava> Separator to use between fields (in TCP/IP daemon mode). The default separator is '|'.
[09:37] <popolon> no, I speak about the suid :)
[09:37] <popolon> I said, there was not the s flag on hddtemp
[09:37] <popolon> so it can't read devices temperatures
[10:04] <astraljava> Ahh... gotcha.
[10:09] <Chris0123> does anyone know how to install clamfs?
[10:12] <astraljava> popolon: Apparently it's just not on by default, but you can make it so with `sudo dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp`, could be a safety feature? *shrug*
[10:13] <astraljava> Chris0123: I'm guessing it's packaged in ubuntu, so do you have some specific problems with it? Cause otherwise the most obvious answer is probably going to disappoint you.
[10:15] <Chris0123> Well, I have been trying to find information and so far I haven't found much.
[10:15] <popolon> yes, that's the problem, the flag s is not here by default, so the application crash at session starting
[10:15] <popolon> because it can't access to disk temperatures data
[10:15] <Chris0123> I know I need to create a special mount point though.
[10:15] <popolon> the only solution is to chown +s the application
[10:31] <astraljava> popolon: No, you can just reconfigure it post-install.
[10:32] <astraljava> ...which, granted, does the same thing.
[10:32] <astraljava> But still.
[14:41] <knome> Xubuntu community meeting in 30mins on #xubuntu-devel. Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings, everybody is welcome
[14:42] <knome> that is, 20mins.
[15:05] <shalmezad> If someone has a minute, I don't suppose I can get help with a dual-screen issue?
[15:06] <shalmezad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1086300/
[15:18] <baizon> shalmezad: try arandr :)
[15:20] <shalmezad> Just installed it. Only shows one output (VGA1)
[15:22] <Crimson> Are all your drivers up-to-date?
[15:23] <shalmezad> Might I ask how to check that? I'm still somewhat new to linux...
[15:23] <Crimson> I am too
[15:24] <Crimson> system -> update tool
[15:25] <Crimson> and settings -> additional drivers(or something like that)
[15:25] <Crimson> Additional drivers are for non-linux drivers
[15:25] <Crimson> thats what you find there
[15:26] <shalmezad> No updates, no additional drivers... =/
[15:26] <Crimson> hmm, then I am clueless
[15:26] <Crimson> maybe ask in 3ubuntu+
[15:26] <Crimson> #ubuntu?
[15:26] <Crimson> As xubuntu and ubuntu are somewhat close(i think)
[15:28] <baizon> shalmezad: what version os ubuntu?
[15:29] <Crimson> I would guess it is the newest version of xubuntu
[15:29] <shalmezad> Might I ask how to check that?
[15:29] <shalmezad> It might be a version behind, I used an older install disc
[15:30] <shalmezad> Ubuntu 12.04
[16:11] <shalmezad> Crimson, someone on #xfce found the issue if you'd like to know
[16:23] <martinphone> I need help with https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=75774, I have copied the code into a file named cuesplit.sh and pasted it in my home folder. In a terminal I have "cuesplit /Downloads/Motorhead", but all I get is cuesplit: command not found
[16:23] <martinphone> what am I doing wrong?
[16:24] <Pici> martinphone: you need to specify the directory as it is not in your $PATH.  so: "./cuesplit /Downloads/Motorhead"
[16:26] <martinphone> now I get: bash: ./cuesplit: No such file or directory
[16:26] <Pici> oh, you named it cuesplit.sh, so you need to put that
[16:27] <martinphone> oic...
[16:28] <martinphone> bash: ./cuesplit: Permission denied ---> Sudo I guess...
[16:30] <Pici> did you set the file executable bit?
[16:31] <martinphone> I copied the code, opened geany, pasted it and saved it as cuesplit.sh
[16:31] <Pici> chmod +x cuesplit.sh
[16:31] <Pici> then you can use ./cuesplit.sh
[16:31] <martinphone> chmod makes a code executable...
[16:31] <Pici> thats one of its functions, yes.
[16:32] <martinphone> ok thanks
[16:33] <martinphone> incidentally, do you know of any code that will search for all flac and cue files in 33 different directories to separate all the files on those 33 directories?
[17:03] <martinphone> how do I edit a line so the action is supposed to do is no longer executed, but I can see how the original script was written? Theres is a "mkdir" Id rather not have
[17:03] <martinphone> this is inside a script, im talking code
[17:31] <genii-around> martinphone: If it's bash/dash/sh then a # at the beginning
[17:32] <martinphone> at the beginning of the scrpit there are 15 lines beginning ith #, so I assumed it would have something to do, but doing so rendered the rest of the script unusable
[17:32] <martinphone> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=75774
[17:32] <martinphone> if you wanna take a look
[17:37] <genii-around> martinphone: What does the line you want to comment out have at the end of it?
[17:38] <martinphone> genii-around, mkdir split
[17:38] <martinphone> the line is [TAB]mkdir split
[17:39] <martinphone> shnsplit: warning: error while transferring 77616 bytes of data
[17:39] <martinphone> shnsplit: warning: child encoder process 16212 had non-zero exit status 1
[17:39] <martinphone> shnsplit: error: failed to split file
[17:40] <genii-around> martinphone: The problem is that the directory is called later by name in different parts of the script
[17:40] <genii-around> ( but then it no longer exists  by the time that part wants to run )
[17:41] <martinphone> genii-around, would commenting [TAB]mkdir split with a # solve the problem?
[17:41] <martinphone> for EACH of the entries I mean
[17:41] <genii-around> If you comment out the entries which are doing things with tat directory, then what is the point of running the script?
[17:51] <genii-around> martinphone: The script runs OK or not when you just use it as-is?
[17:52] <martinphone> yes genii-around it does work, but Id like to know how to edit it to not create the "split" directory
[17:52] <martinphone> and to paste the output in the album directory itself
[17:59] <genii-around> Should probably just change all "split" to "$1" and then call it like ./cuesplit.sh .             (or instead of . to put the name of a directory you do want it to make )
[18:05] <genii-around> Sorry, the directory you use will always be where the files are, rather
[19:49] <martinphone> all small windows on my upper status bar are gone
[19:50] <martinphone> what do I do?
[19:50] <martinphone> i cannot minimize either
[20:05] <sameer_> guys how can i boot from my flash drive?
[20:05] <sameer_> i can't find it in grub when i boot
[20:05] <sameer_> im trying to reinstall windows on a partition
[20:06] <v1adimir> in grub? o.0 change it from the bios
[20:06] <sameer_> change what
[20:06] <v1adimir> make the stick boot
[20:07] <v1adimir> if it's not present in the bios (efi) then your pc can't boot from usb
[20:07] <sameer_> so what exactly should i do
[20:08] <v1adimir> there should be a boot section in your bios and you can ivoke it on boot (way before grub or any bootloader starts), usually by pressing f2 or del
[20:08] <sameer_> ok ill try it...
[20:08] <sameer_> brb
[20:08] <v1adimir> but you should be careful
[20:08] <v1adimir> about installing, if you don't know about this feature to begin with :s
[23:11] <w30> anybody have a cure for all the bluish-purple faces on youtube and flash videos?
[23:12] <Mathsterk> w30: you have watched the smurf film, it's a bad idea
[23:13] <w30> Mathsterk, heh,heh
[23:13] <genii-around> Watching it, or that they made it to begin with?
[23:44] <w30> my flash colors are all goofed up, red cars appear blue and people faces are purple, any cure for that? Or is flash no good in Xubuntu 64 bit?
[23:46] <drc> open a flash video...right mouse click on the running video...settings...unclick "enable hardware acceleration".  Works for me :)
[23:47] <w30> drc, ok I'll give that a try; Thanks!
[23:48] <drc> There are several "cures" out there, but that is the only one that works for me every where, on all videos.
[23:57] <Mathsterk> isn't that enabled by default?
[23:58] <drc> Mathsterk: Yes, that's why I said "unclick"


[08:53] <mapreri> umh, what's up with OOPS-42285e4cd60b7df301fb4e621594cb81 ?
[08:53] <mapreri> (ans several other tries with different oops id)
[08:56] <cjwatson> OffsiteFormPostError: https://jenkins.debian.org/manage
[08:57] <mapreri> wut
[08:57] <cjwatson> what on earth are you trying to do?
[08:58] <wgrant> wat
[08:58] <wgrant> It's XHR too
[08:58] <mapreri> oh, that leaked from a addon mangling the headers I used yesterday and forgot to disable
[08:58] <wgrant> A browser shouldn't have allowed that.
[08:58] <mapreri> u.U
[08:58] <wgrant> mapreri: Hm, that addon sounds like a very bad security hole.
[08:59] <wgrant> I don't know how to configure Referer sanely in Chromium, but in Firefox you just set XOriginPolicy=trimmingPolicy=2 and it basically does what Origin will in five years.
[08:59] <mapreri> well, I added Referrer: http://jenkins.debian.org/manage myself, it didn't pick it up, but my plan all along was to remove it once done
[09:00] <wgrant> Ahh
[09:00] <mapreri> I needed to mangle referrer for a test of mine
[09:01] <mapreri> better now :)  Thanks ^^
[16:10] <ricotz> hello, it seems the automatic translation export to a dedicated branch stopped working?
[16:22] <cjwatson> ricotz: Always easier to check logs given an example, if you have one.
[16:30] <cjwatson> Though it looks like it's semi-consistently failing on exporting https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk
[16:31] <cjwatson> Not all the time.  It's failed three days in a row, and the job only runs daily so that blocks everything else.  When it succeeds, that particular series takes on the order of 45 minutes to export.
[16:32] <cjwatson> ~10000 messages ...
[16:35] <cjwatson> wgrant: Do you know of a particular reason we don't run translations-export-to-branch at DEBUG?  Not quite easy to see where this is slow at the moment.
[16:37] <cjwatson> TransactionFreeOperation might help.
[16:38] <cjwatson> Though that's a bit awkward with the _findChangedPOFiles generator.
[16:38] <cjwatson> ricotz: Anyway, this is a bit more than a five-minute job to sort out, so please file a bug.
[16:38] <ricotz> cjwatson, I don't know about log that I could have looked at ;), just noticed after approving some new translations it wasn't exported in the later days
[16:39] <ricotz> in my case https://translations.launchpad.net/plank and https://code.launchpad.net/~docky-core/plank/l10n
[16:45] <cjwatson> ricotz: You couldn't have looked at it, but it's easier for us to look when we have examples to go from.
[16:45] <cjwatson> ricotz: Anyway, I found it eventually, as above.
[18:27] <theShirbiny> Hello, i'm running LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 add-apt-repository -y ppa:ondrej/php
[18:27] <theShirbiny> i'm getting Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:ondrej/php'.
[18:27] <theShirbiny> Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[18:35] <theShirbiny> :(
[18:36] <theShirbiny> restarting the docker service fixed it, no idea why
[22:07] <kyrofa> Can launchpad be used to build gadget snaps?
[22:17] <wgrant> kyrofa: Hm, I don't see why not, though I'm not familiar with any snapcraft specialties there.
[22:18] <wgrant> cjwatson: I switch things to DEBUG whenever I see them.
[22:18] <kyrofa> wgrant, good deal, just wanted to see if it was constrained
[22:18] <kyrofa> wgrant, if I run into issues I'll let you know
[23:36] <cjwatson> wgrant: cheers.  MP sent.
[23:37] <wgrant> kyrofa: Could you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1675513 at some point? It looks like the stage-packages caching work has seriously regressed performance.
[23:38] <kyrofa> wgrant, yeah we're looking at it now
[23:38] <kyrofa> wgrant, I heard the jump was from 7 minutes to over two hours, which seems... insane
[23:39] <wgrant> kyrofa: Yup. And it only dies at two hours because of the proxy auth timeout.
[23:39] <wgrant> kyrofa: Let me know if you need any more info.
[23:39] <kyrofa> Right, so even _more_. Yeesh
[23:39] <kyrofa> wgrant, will do, thank you
[23:42] <cjwatson> Hopefully you can simulate the situation with tc or similar - just slap some latency in.
[23:43] <cjwatson> Something like https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/networking/netem#emulating-wide-area-network-delays maybe
[23:44] <kyrofa> Thanks cjwatson, that's helpful
[23:45] <kyrofa> cjwatson, my current solution is to have elopio take a look. He's in costa rica: a terrible connection to everywhere
[23:45] <cjwatson> Hah
[23:46] <cjwatson> My connection is terrible, but more in terms of bandwidth than latency.
[23:47] <cjwatson> In this case it's the classic long fat pipe.  We have some mitigations in place for most builds, but snapcraft may manage to avoid them due to the way it handles sources.list, and in any case fetching one package per connection without keepalive seems to be pathological.
[23:48] <kyrofa> cjwatson, yeah we hit some shortcomings with the apt API
[23:49] <cjwatson> Yeah, I saw that from the comment.
[23:49] <cjwatson> This workaround is apparently not an unalloyed success though :)
[23:50] <kyrofa> *cough*
[23:51] <kyrofa> Wait... cjwatson why on earth are you awake?
[23:51] <cjwatson> It's not that late here, and I'm not going to be for much longer anyway ...
[23:51] <wgrant> We are strange people. That's why.
[23:52] <cjwatson> Or that.
[23:52] <kyrofa> wgrant, isn't it like 11am for you? :P
[23:52] <wgrant> Yes but I'm also on leave :P
[23:52] <kyrofa> Hahaha
[23:52] <wgrant> cjwatson: This bit of snapcraft uses the proxy, I think.
[23:52] <wgrant> So it bypasses the LFP workaround entirely.
[23:53] <wgrant> s/the proxy/snap-proxy/
[23:53] <cjwatson> I thought I vaguely remembered snap-proxy being included in the workaround, but perhaps not.
[23:54] <wgrant> I don't think it was. It would be difficult to get the reverse route right due to OpenStack.
[23:54] <wgrant> (not to mention that the workaround firewall is in GS2)


[01:47] <lamont> audit(1213394267.034:32): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::w" denied_mask="::w" name="/var/cache/bind/" pid=15541 profile="/usr/sbin/named" namespace="default"
[01:47]  * lamont wonders what insanity apparmor wants before it approves that
[02:31] <crimsun> TheMuso: you probably will want to patch alsa-lib to lower the spam for people using dmix/dsnoop on HDA.  I'll generate a quilt one this weekend.
[02:31] <crimsun> TheMuso: (referring to hardy-proposed's alsa-lib)
[02:33] <crimsun> TheMuso: (affects debian 469641)
[07:13] <\sh> moins
[11:43]  * cjwatson fixes hppa builds a bit, hopefully
[11:43] <cjwatson> (libxml-parser-perl rebuild => intltool will be installable => cups will be buildable => libgtk2.0-0 will be installable)
[11:49] <ranxerox> yo
[11:50] <cjwatson> garrr, if only libxml-parser-perl were actually *buildable* on hppa ...
[11:51]  * cjwatson dives further down the stack
[11:52]  * cjwatson retries the build and hopes
[11:52] <cjwatson> (libhtml-parser-perl)
[11:56] <ranxerox> yo
[12:04] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: who gets poked to make debian's rmadison work again?  it apperas to be just hanging
[12:05] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: the network hosting it is down, AFAICT
[12:05] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: :( darn
[12:05]  * cjwatson suspects DSA are aware
[12:05] <cjwatson> (though I haven't had time to check myself yet)
[12:34] <qense> ping persia
[12:36]  * Darklock pings persia
[12:47] <cjwatson> qense: note that many IRC clients only highlight messages specially if you write them in the form "persia: ping"
[12:47] <cjwatson> i.e. nick at start of line
[12:47] <qense> ok :) I'll try again, thx for the tip
[12:47] <qense> persia: ping!
[12:48] <cjwatson> also, you should say what you want, rather than just something that amounts to "hi, are you there? not going to say what it's about or how long it'll take though ..."
[12:49] <cjwatson> otherwise conversations end up with more round trips than they need, which in an asynchronous environment like IRC can add days to the time
[12:49] <qense> OK, you're probably right
[12:50] <qense> persia: j castro told me that dholbach said that you might be interested in this idea: http://www.qense.nl/posts/114/ What do you think?
[15:14] <rdz> hi all. the package description page on http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/libasound2-plugins mentions the jack plugin and it contains also an example how to set it up. however, the actual plugin-file is not part of the package. is that a bug?
[15:15] <leleobhz> rdz: i think it is
[15:15] <rdz> example=README-jack
[15:15] <rdz> leleobhz, where to post bugs?
[15:15] <rdz> (i am wuite new to ubuntu and i haven't reported bugs yet)
[15:15] <leleobhz> refer to a library which dont exist
[15:16] <leleobhz> rdz: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[15:16] <rdz> leleobhz, thanks
[15:16] <leleobhz> :]
[15:16] <leleobhz> youre wellcome
[16:43] <dbmoodb> hi ah there is a bug -- in totem player it will not suggest you install the program to be able to read css encrypted dvds
[16:44] <dbmoodb> but it suggests other software, seeing i'm outside australia perhaps.... if i a user selects a country were you can legal do this the package / script should be shown along side the gstream ones -- or a suggestion to use vlc player is given
[16:44] <jpds> dbmoodb: libdvdcss was fuond to be illegal in the US (or something like that)
[16:44] <dbmoodb> jpds: it is illegal in the us for use yes
[16:44] <dbmoodb> but in australia i am allowed to
[16:45] <dbmoodb> and i see no reason for restricting or no providing a reason why it can't read a disk
[16:45] <dbmoodb> that is just being stubborn
[16:47] <dbmoodb> jpds: i don't see how ubuntu would be in trouble for providing info on to enable it or why it didn't work
[16:47] <dbmoodb>  / doesn't work
[16:47] <dbmoodb> that is not very use friendly
[17:54] <cody-somerville> I'd really appreciate it if someone familiar with dbus could help me with bug #232364
[17:55]  * cody-somerville just had dejavu.
[17:58]  * cody-somerville pokes james_w
[18:00] <james_w> hi cody-somerville
[18:00] <cody-somerville> james_w, I made some more progress on bug #232364
[18:00] <cody-somerville> You might have some more insight now :)
[18:01] <zorglu_>  http://xmlsoft.org/examples/tree2.c compiled with "gcc -static -Wl,--start-group `xml2-config --cflags --libs --static` tree2.c -Wl,--end-group -o tree" aka compiling in static with libxml2 the example of their own website, and then running "./tree2" produces a coredump here... can somebody else try to ? just to ensure this is not an issue of my local installation
[18:02] <james_w> cody-somerville: 'fraid not
[18:02] <james_w> cody-somerville: I'd want to know what the X server is doing during the hang, but I don't know how to find that out.
[18:03] <cody-somerville> james_w, well, dbus-launch is hanging on fd 13 which is a socket
[18:03] <cody-somerville> Is there anyway to confirm that is the bilateral socket to X?
[18:03] <james_w> does looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log while it is hanging show anything helpful?
[18:03] <cody-somerville> james_w, I'll check the next time it freezes.
[18:04] <james_w> cody-somerville: I thought it was that from looking through the code related to the backtrace that you provided.
[18:04] <cody-somerville> james_w, right but I'd like to be able to actually check the fd and maybe see if I can confirm that guess
[18:36] <iandouglas> hey all, question about upgrading -- I upgraded successfully last night from 7.04 to 7.10, then tried the 7.10 -> 804 upgrade using the "Update Manager" but it failed just before the "clean up" stage -- how do I manually run the upgrade program again, or get a list of what needs to be cleaned up?
[18:36] <cjwatson> mvo isn't around
[18:37] <iandouglas> ah, darn
[18:37] <cjwatson> European working hours :)
[18:37] <iandouglas> i'm just curious whether I need to reinstall from scratch, or just leave it as is and hope for the best
[18:37] <cjwatson> you could use answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu to ask a question on the update-manager package
[18:37] <cjwatson> (which he might see asynchronously even if he's not on IRC)
[18:38] <cjwatson> you ought to be able to use apt-get to finish off the upgrade, although the cleanup won't be done
[18:38] <iandouglas> thanks very much!
[18:38] <cjwatson> 'sudo apt-get -f install' is likely to at least have a go at improving things
[18:58] <iandouglas> the -f install cmd returned a ton of "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" and "package (whatever) is not configured yet" and returned with an error code of (1)
[19:00] <iandouglas> meh, i'll take my chances, thanks again for the help cjwatson!
[19:08] <qense> persia: j castro told me that dholbach said that you might be interested in this idea: http://www.qense.nl/posts/114/ What do you think?
[20:47] <NewProggie> Hello together
[21:33] <sistpoty> anyone who'd like to sponsor xserver-xorg-video-nv merge (bug #240034)?


[06:26] <YoBoY> goodmorning
[09:10] <tzem> Good morning everyone
[21:54] <greg-g> czajkowski: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/31648 "Announcing the new Creative Commons 3.0 Ireland suite"


[00:20] <webchat23> hi
[00:20] <webchat23> i need welp
[00:21] <webchat23> whats the gnome's default font
[00:24] <webchat23> eita bixo sxo
[00:24] <webchat23> sexo
[00:24] <webchat23> arent you gonna ban me
[00:25] <webchat23> all of yours are guei
[00:25] <webchat23> gfym
[00:53] <en11gma> i just installed ubuntu 20.04 daily (amd64.iso 03-23-22) to my usb stick with rufus 3.17p. i made a persistent partition, selected far32 and gpt. how do i make that partition work when i boot the usb stick? do i need to give an advanced option at boot time?
[01:05] <en11gma> ok i gonna try it again but it dont appear to be finding the persistent partition rufus created from windows. i was formatted ntfs last time. this time im fat32 so maybe that had something to do with it.
[01:05] <en11gma> bbiab
[01:14] <blahboybaz> Trying to watch a show on my laptop and the volume so low I can't hear it. I know this is a commonly asked question (this isn't the first time I've had the problem myself). I've tried everything I know. All the volumes are maxed out. Alsa is maxed out, pulse audio is installed and maxed out. What is left? Is there any other solution to be had?
[01:16] <dTal> is there a "raise maximum volume" box in the volume applet, or this that a KDE thing?
[01:17] <dTal> if you've raised every available slider in alsamixer for your soundcard, there's not much else you can do
[01:17] <blahboybaz> dTal: I'm running standard 20.04 (not any flavor) - just the regular ubuntu whatever de that is
[01:18] <Gallomimia> okay so i've got quite a few steam games now that either open and close with no message or attempt to load, or quit to desktop without any message. where should i be looking for an output saying what happened?
[01:19] <blahboybaz> dTal: I did just find something in settings because of what you said and it does make a slight difference (the sound in the vid is disgustingly low) - maybe enough difference to actually watch it - it isn't a nice movie experience by any stretch of the imagination though
[01:20] <blahboybaz> Gallomimia: dmesg?  I'm really not certain that would show you what you are looking for but its what I think of
[01:21] <Gallomimia> i don't think it's a kernel error...
[01:21] <blahboybaz> I'm not like any guru or anything but dmesg I think shows stuff abotu start up
[01:21] <blahboybaz> oh
[01:21] <blahboybaz> my bad
[01:22] <Gallomimia> yes i'm not 100% sure but those are output messages from the kernel. most command line programs would give some kind of error message on quit, or at least pass a number that's not zero to say not everything is peachy
[01:22] <dTal> Gallomimia: try launching steam from a terminal
[01:22] <Gallomimia> but with these GUI heavy steam games.... there's nothing
[01:22] <blahboybaz> There's ps aux
[01:22] <blahboybaz> just saying
[01:22] <Gallomimia> yeah? that'd help i think. i guess, then i could fork it and all that
[01:22] <dTal> or launching the game from the terminal, I dunno how steam works
[01:22] <blahboybaz> another one I'm trying to remember too
[01:22] <Gallomimia> yeah ps aux won't help since the program in question has already quit
[01:23] <Gallomimia> but involving a terminal so i can read any such messages is a pretty good idea
[01:23] <blahboybaz> I'm out. I dont' think I have the chops for this but I wanted to try to be helpful..  :)
[01:23] <Gallomimia> unsure yes dTal of whether i should launch the game or the steam launcher from term
[01:23] <Gallomimia> blahboybaz, no don't be too hard on yourself. we can learn stuff together
[01:24] <blahboybaz> It is what it is - I'm seeing what's said too tho
[01:25] <blahboybaz> I'm trying to remember this one thing
[01:25] <blahboybaz> htop?
[01:25] <blahboybaz> I think that's networking or something tho
[01:27] <Gallomimia> there's an nvtop
[01:27] <Gallomimia> it works very poorly toh
[01:27] <Gallomimia> anyway.... yeah. that gave lots of output from the launching of steam itself, and the game i was trying to launch
[01:27] <Gallomimia> ..... none of it makes any sense to me tho ;)
[01:28] <blahboybaz> I have htop on mine its real time system monitor shows ev going on
[01:28] <blahboybaz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Htop
[01:28] <Gallomimia> oh i just use regular top
[01:29] <blahboybaz> oh
[01:29] <Gallomimia> seems a lot nicer
[01:29] <blahboybaz> It has pretty colors..  :)
[01:30] <Gallomimia> yeah
[01:30] <blahboybaz> not that that helps you tho
[01:30] <blahboybaz> I'm sorry
[01:30] <blahboybaz> my level of experience is a joke
[01:30] <Gallomimia> nah i might start using this more often
[01:30] <blahboybaz> good luck
[01:30] <Gallomimia> ah, i do recall being there
[01:30] <Gallomimia> then someone in this channel said i should play with raid and cryptfs and LVM and that seemed neat, but when things broke, i really really had to learn a lot to fix it
[01:31] <blahboybaz> I built a gentoo system once - raid 5 on a tower I built that had 9tb (3, 3tb drives)
[01:31] <blahboybaz> that was a long time ago
[01:31] <Gallomimia> yes i miss my raid5
[01:32] <Gallomimia> but i dropped it on my face and killed one drive, while severely damaging the other 2
[01:32] <blahboybaz> that sucks
[01:32] <Gallomimia> they ran for awhile but i eventually figured out that they're chugging because of the damage.
[01:32] <blahboybaz> someone ripped me off for mine
[01:32] <Gallomimia> the data is still recoverable i just have to do it
[01:32] <Gallomimia> oh man.... i'm sorry to hear that
[01:32] <blahboybaz> had almost 2k into it and that was 10yrs ago
[01:33] <blahboybaz> he'll get his I'm sure
[01:34] <blahboybaz> Imna go back to my show. Wish you the best Gallomimia. Nice talking
[01:34] <oops> my laptop integrated GPU is "HD graphics 520", does it support two monitor displaying different content ? if it does , how to configure it in Ubuntu?
[01:34] <Gallomimia> cheers. i got no luck with this but a few things of insight
[01:35] <Gallomimia> oops if you can hook up a second monitor, it should be configurable under "Display Settings"
[01:41] <oops> Gallomimia: one monitor is built-in with laptop , another is external monitor connecting with HDMI , in display setting panel , it 's only one monitor
[01:57] <Gallomimia> it's possible your laptop has a hardware switch to turn the "projector" connection on and off. you might have to search for instructions on that specific laptop model
[02:44] <jhutchins> Down to 332.  A constant bleed-down might suggest a snowball process building up and eating up bandwidth.  Maybe get a sniffer between the router and the modem?
[02:45] <jhutchins> I really doubt it's a process on the computers though, because it hasn't just been a constant drop-off, and it would have recovered when I rebooted all the devices.
[03:03] <jhutchins> Yeah, bounced back up again, not a steady decline.
[03:06] <Gallomimia> well, if you have determined it's not any of your PCs, and don't need more information one what your ubuntu machine might be doing, i must suggest that this is a ##networking problem. you might need to do things like turn off the WiFi to try isolating it. or it might be complex, provider specific, or.... anything.
[03:57] <unawarekid> rm -r ~
[03:57] <unawarekid> no pass everythings gone and crash on next login
[03:57] <unawarekid> if ~ does not exist mkdir ~ && mkdir ~/Desktop will fix the crash if you put it in .bashrc
[03:57] <unawarekid> oh nvm
[03:58] <unawarekid> thats gone too
[03:59] <unawarekid> /etc/bash.bashrc needs the if statement that checks for ~, and if there is no ~ make ~, ~/Desktop, and ~/.bashrc and ~/.profile
[04:00] <unawarekid> where bashrc and profile would have to echo the default text or copy a backup not in home folder
[04:02] <unawarekid> again that fixes the crash but the files would need to be recovered
[04:02] <unawarekid> ill make a script hold on
[04:20] <unawarekid> this script is to prevent the crash before it happens https://pastebin.com/c2FZc6WV
[04:21] <unawarekid> take out the su
[04:22] <unawarekid> and use absolute paths with username variable
[07:39] <null1> does kubuntu come with snapd preenabled?
[07:40] <Unit193> chromium and firefox are only available via snap as of jammy, so I imagine soon it will be if it's not now.
[08:03] <Dr-007> hey guys. ive made a livecd from ubuntu with boot-repair inthere. i ran it but boot-repair also modified my usb's EFI partition (in boot-repair i had the replace windows stuff checkbox checked)
[08:04] <Dr-007> what does boot-repair do under the hood? because in the livecd ive made a script to simply copy the rootfs from the cd/usb back to my hdd then run boot-repair to add the newly copied ubuntu to grub.
[08:05] <Dr-007> in other words, how would i do the os-prober myself?
[08:13] <Dr-007> right. ive found the boot-repair scripts
[08:35] <ms9944> hi
[09:24] <Syzygy> I'm copying a large amount of files and the process gets stuck on single files for a long time often.
[09:24] <Syzygy> how can I speed this up?
[09:25] <Syzygy> I do not believe that there are this many large files that I'm copying.
[09:27] <hamburger_> hi all
[09:27] <hamburger_> how is Our ubuntu code ?
[09:27] <hamburger_> kubuntu.org
[09:27] <hamburger_> you like it ?
[09:27] <hamburger> that's the best for desktop
[09:27] <hamburger> it really code with c++ and wxwidget
[09:27] <hamburger> but well for client better use windows
[09:28] <hamburger> get it from getintopc.com
[09:28] <hamburger> get windows 11 pro
[09:28] <hamburger> is volume license there from Us
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[09:28] <hamburger> ah just frog
[09:28] <hamburger> like your the coder of Ubuntu
[09:38] <Dr-007> running this cmd from an ubuntu livecd `grub-mkconfig -o /tmp/friso_grub.cfg` i get: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'
[09:42] <Dr-007> hmz.. i read online somewhere that i should chroot into the os with /boot stuff
[09:47] <hamburger> //
[09:54] <Jeremy31> Dr-007: or you could install boot repair
[09:54] <Dr-007> Jeremy31, boot-repair also modifies EFI on my USB
[09:54] <Dr-007> so i figured ill make a shell script myself
[09:55] <Dr-007> this works: chroot ${grubfs} /bin/bash -c "sudo grub-mkconfig -o /tmp/defriso_grub.cfg && exit"
[09:55] <alkisg> Dr-007: what are you trying to do, uncompress the filesystem.squashfs into a usb stick and make that bootable? Why, that also contains things that are only appropriate for non-installed sessions...
[09:57] <Dr-007> no, ive already got a bootable livecd usb and now i want to copy the rootfs back to my hdd
[09:57] <Dr-007> and yes that is the filesystem.squashfs. but everything is inthere since i made it myself
[09:57] <alkisg> What was your source, a local ubuntu installation or the ubuntu live cd?
[09:58] <Dr-007> a local ubuntu installation
[09:59] <alkisg> And did you get it to use cow?
[09:59] <alkisg> The steps are different based on what you have
[09:59] <Dr-007> yeah it works now
[09:59] <alkisg> Local installations usually don't use overlayfs/cow systems
[10:03] <Dr-007> yes, that was my error
[10:03] <Dr-007> i ran the grub-mkconfig inside the livecd environment
[10:04] <Dr-007> i had to chroot into the partition that hosts ubuntu on my hdd (or where grub is installed) then run it there
[10:04] <Dr-007> so: chroot ${grubfs} /bin/bash -c "sudo grub-mkconfig -o /tmp/defriso_grub.cfg && exit"
[10:07] <hamburger> how to use cron ?
[10:07] <Dr-007> crontab -e
[10:07] <hamburger> anyone  know dr-007
[10:07] <hamburger> ahhhhh
[10:07] <hamburger> how to use it ?
[10:07] <hamburger> alkisg you know ?
[10:07] <hamburger> what is crontab -e ?
[10:07] <Dr-007> crontab -e will open it. then you have to figure out what to add
[10:08] <Dr-007> https://researchhubs.com/post/computing/linux-cmd/awesome-crontab-job-examples.html
[10:08] <hamburger> ahhh
[10:08] <hamburger> are you guys PHD ?
[10:09] <hamburger> i see
[10:09] <hamburger> no wonder is NUS and NTU
[10:09] <hamburger> just wala wala
[10:09] <hamburger> from The Most High
[10:12] <Dr-007> if you add a command that generates an error then crontab will fail to commands that come below that on
[10:20] <talhah> hamburger is just a troll, he was trolling in #linux earlier
[10:36] <bailsman> What are the odds of getting a version bump at this stage of the ubuntu 22.04 lifecycle? Ubuntu 22.04 makes the unified cgroup hierarchy the default, but ships a version of cadvisor that cannot handle that properly yet.
[10:38] <bailsman> same issue on 21.10
[10:41] <bailsman> I wonder if this means that debian should update first.
[11:20] <ogra> bailsman, first and foremost it means you should file a bug so the developers know about it asap 😉
[11:29] <ignorand1> hi all got a machine with no internet access, and I want to install acl. How can I do it offline?
[11:35] <bailsman> ogra: where? In debian?
[11:35] <ogra> bailsman, no, in ubuntu indeed
[11:36] <ogra> so the devs can decide if it is worth a local patch or if they can wait to SRU a fix from debian later
[11:38] <hamburger> how to cut in perl ?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:18] <iomari892> greetings, where can I get java-5 for 21.10 that works? I have an old software that use that version of java and I can't seem to find a java that old anywhere.
[13:24] <ravage> iomari892: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-archive-javase5-downloads.html
[14:18] <Dr-007> hey guys. question. ive made a livecd from my installed ubuntu. then i made a script to copy back the livecd to an empty partition, update the fstab to match the uuid of that partition and update grub on the partition grub is running on according to the EFI partition ... the copied OS shows up in grub when i boot. when i select it ubuntu boots. but when i check `mount` i see that the wrong ubuntu partition has been loaded. i verified the grub.cfg and the
[14:18] <Dr-007> UUID is pointing towards the new partition. what could i be forgetting? should i regenerate the initrd or something?
[14:49] <alkisg> Dr-007: what's the output of `cat /proc/cmdline` from the booted system?
[14:49] <alkisg> Dr-007: and also, the output of `cat /etc/fstab`
[15:29] <signofzeta> I'm having an odd performance issue with my system.  I sometimes encode videos. If I don't overclock, it runs at about 3 fps and my fans/temps stay low.    Is this an Ubuntu thing (21.10), or something with my BIOS?  I did run cpufreq-info and `cat /proc/cpuinfo` and it always says my processor is running at full speed.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> signofzeta, to which format do you encode the video and which application do you use?
[15:36] <signofzeta> I use Handbrake, mostly in H.264.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> suggest you try ffmpeg, it's a terminal app that use fewer resources
[15:44] <jhutchins> ffmpeg is perfectly adequate for transcoding, in fact, it's a better tool because it's more focused.
[15:47] <signofzeta> ok, thank you
[16:34] <dirtcastle> how to format a partition?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | dirtcastle
[16:35] <dirtcastle> should I mount it to a directory and do rm -rf *
[16:35] <dirtcastle> i mean delete everything
[16:35] <leftyfb> dirtcastle: there's no point if you're formatting it
[16:35] <dirtcastle> of what's inside a partition
[16:36] <dirtcastle> what? why
[16:37] <leftyfb> dirtcastle: formatting a partition overwrites the data on the partition
[16:38] <Dr-007> formatting is deleting. when you use GUI tools they zero out a partition. but mkfs.ext4 / mkfs.ntfs "quick" formats a partition
[16:38] <Dr-007> then the files are there. but the mkfs resetted the file listing so it seems like theyre not
[16:38] <en11gma> i was making a persistent drive in ubuntu 20.04.4 amd64 last night and got it to work on my usb 16GB stick. gpt/fat32/11GB persistent. problem is that it is super slow when running. is there a way i can attach an external hdd formatted gpt/fat32 and make that whole drive the persistent partition and make the usb 16GB stick with no partitions?
[16:39] <Dr-007> en11gma, i also made a livecd thumb drive this week
[16:40] <Dr-007> i dont know the answers to yours questions per se. buuut... at first i just cloned all files to an usb thumbdrive then installed grub onto an EFI partition and it booted
[16:40] <en11gma> thats the ez part. the hard part is getting it to be persistent and still have some lever of performance
[16:40] <Dr-007> but it was suuuuper slow
[16:40] <Dr-007> so i finally found a guide online to make the live cd
[16:41] <en11gma> if you use rufus to write the iso file with no partition to a usb 3.0 stick its pretty fast
[16:41] <Dr-007> but since youre talking about persistence i assume that you followed such a guide
[16:41] <en11gma> i just use rufus and select gpt/fat32/iso file
[16:41] <en11gma> click write
[16:41] <Dr-007> (my livecd with loopbacks is super fast tho, it just doesnt have persistance yet)
[16:41] <en11gma> if you want a persistent it gets more complicated
[16:42] <en11gma> i used persistence with the 'toram' option at boot time and its still horrible
[16:42] <en11gma> so when the ubuntu live usb booted everything was booted into ram
[16:42] <en11gma> so it should have been fast
[16:42] <en11gma> as it only needed to write for the persistence
[16:43] <Dr-007> yeah i didnt use rufus so i wouldnt know. can you confirm if you `df -lh` you have a bunch of loopback devices?
[16:43] <Dr-007> like /dev/loop0      5,8G  5,8G     0 100% /cdrom
[16:45] <dirtcastle> I have 2 ssd. one has windows. another has ubuntu.  should I grub reside in window's ssd or can it be inside ubuntu's
[16:46] <en11gma> everyone knows ubuntu and windows will fight over the bootloader at some point.
[16:46] <Dr-007> dirtcastle, it can be in the same. i made a seperate EFI partition for windows. booted windows live stick shift + f10 and bcdboot.exe and copied their stuff into the second EFI partition
[16:47] <en11gma> you will see after using it for a while. maybe even months. there will be some update and you will probably lose your windows partition or at least have trouble restoring it so it can boot.
[16:47] <Dr-007> i did this because i also installed windows 11 and wanted to boot windows 10 or 11 directly from grub and not be presented with windows's "grub" (bootmngr)
[16:48] <en11gma> it will happen right after you trust it and so "oh this works just fine" and then BOOM!
[16:48] <dirtcastle> 🤔 ok. got it.
[16:49] <en11gma> https://www.quora.com/How-can-you-prevent-Windows-from-overwriting-GRUB-when-using-a-dual-boot-machine-Windows-dual-boot-GRUB2-UNIX
[16:50] <en11gma> "I don’t think you can. But you can fix it in 2 minutes with a boot-repair stick."
[16:50] <en11gma> thats the very first line. and its from 2021
[16:50] <Dr-007> yeah, thats if your bios is persistent on windows stuff.
[16:50] <Dr-007> i had those troubles too
[16:50] <en11gma> bios persistent?
[16:50] <en11gma> what
[16:51] <en11gma> todays bios use TPM and Secure Boot. try and restore that and let me know how it goes
[16:51] <en11gma> if you are on a newer motherboard. maybe from last few years or so
[16:51] <en11gma> and running windows 11
[16:52] <Dr-007> basicly. if you got 1 EFI partition with windows's bootmgr and GRUB. they move they replace window's bootmgr with GRUB. but this will make it so that you cant boot into windows. so then you need that second EFI partition
[16:52] <en11gma> sometimes windows 10
[16:52] <Dr-007> but thats only with stuborn bios's
[16:52] <en11gma> it wont mess with secure boot or tpm?
[16:52] <Dr-007> so you got to figure that out
[16:53] <Dr-007> en11gma, for secure boot you might need the EFI SHIM
[16:53] <Dr-007> EFI GRUB SHIM
[16:53] <Dr-007> or something like that
[16:53] <Dr-007> google on it. i just disabled secure boot since my pc isnt physicaly touchable by others
[16:56] <en11gma> yea that too complicated for me. i think i will just pull my win11 nvme m.2 and hook the external hdd with usb to sata adapter or hook it straight to my mb with sata cable and run ubuntu safely and when i want to go back to windows i unhook the ubuntu drive and put back the nvme m.2 with win11 on it. only way to 100% not mess it up i think
[16:57] <en11gma> unless there is a good guide someone can put up. somehow either when the ubuntu boot manager loads up (super grub) or the win boot manager loads up it will overwrite one or the other. always this constant stugle since the beginning
[16:58] <Dr-007> yeah that's only when your bios is old / windows loyal
[16:58] <Dr-007> but then again... sometimes its the only way
[16:58] <en11gma> at some point in time nothing can stop it. it will happen during an ubuntu system upgrade or even a windows upgrade
[16:58] <Dr-007> thats why i splitted my EFI partitions
[16:58] <Dr-007> 1 for ubuntu, 1 for windows 10 and 1 for windows 11
[16:58] <en11gma> nah ive had many systems over the years and my systems are usually name brand motherboards with up to date bios's and operating systems
[16:59] <en11gma> it sounds like you might know the fix and have a work around
[16:59] <Dr-007> i'd like to think so ;)
[16:59] <en11gma> so which boot manager do you wind up using? windows or ubuntu?
[17:00] <Dr-007> my bios will goto GRUB
[17:00] <Dr-007> and from GRUB i can choose windows boot manager for windows 10 or 11
[17:00] <ens> on my system i just press F9 to get to the EFI boot manager and select windows or linux from there.
[17:00] <en11gma> F9 lets you pick the drive?
[17:01] <en11gma> that grub is on?
[17:01] <en11gma> i think thats my F12
[17:01] <Dr-007> ens, i have such a feauture too but it didnt work out so well. so my bios is stupid
[17:02] <Dr-007> en11gma, i can make pastes for you but i dont think you'll notice the signifagance
[17:03] <ens> yeah it just offers a list of efi boot options and i select whichever. i am not sure how it would work with multiple disks though.
[17:03] <en11gma> you have to make sure your drives and usb stick are formatted gpt before you install any os or you cant use tpm or secure boot with win11 or ubuntu
[17:03] <Dr-007> i only discovered the shi**y behaviour after failed tries
[17:04] <en11gma> for windows i think you can alternate click on the drive and select properties (i think) and it will say if its gpt/mbr and if secure boot is functional or not
[17:06] <en11gma> "msinfo32"
[17:07] <en11gma> shit. mine shows secure boot off. brb
[17:07] <en11gma> i got to go into bios
[17:13] <NMRocks> Hi
[17:15] <Dr-007> question: ive extracted a copy ubuntu to another partition on my hdd. from what ive got running. i updated /etc/stab and grub. in grub the new partition is showing up. it boots. but when i enter the ubuntu OS, in terminal `mount | grep sd` gives me not the partition i copied the rootfs into. it gives me the partition i copied it from in the first place. so i thought.. it should be my /etc/fstab but thats certainly o.k. then i thought maybe i just need to
[17:15] <Dr-007> update/recreate my initramfs in this new partition (so i created a new one once i was chrooted into it) ... but no luck. any suggestions?
[17:17] <rob0> The rootfs is loaded by the kernel or initrd directly, not from fstab(5)
[17:18] <Dr-007> so my initrd isnt good? although i updated it?
[17:19] <rob0> initrd does a pivot-root to change to the one passed to the kernel as rootfs
[17:20] <Dr-007> rob0, a little more info please. what do you think i should regenerate?
[17:22] <Dr-007> this is what i do: chroot "/mnt/targetfs" /bin/bash -c "sudo update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r) && exit"
[17:22] <Dr-007> and the initramfs is re...
[17:22] <rob0> check the boot loader, I guess?
[17:22] <Dr-007> are you not talking about initramfs?
[17:22] <rob0> ensure it has the right rootfs and the right initrd
[17:23] <Dr-007> i know the rootfs UUID is right. but i havent checked the initrd in grub
[17:23] <Dr-007> thnx
[17:23] <Dr-007> ill have a look
[17:23] <Dr-007> this thing is driving me nuts
[17:26] <Dr-007> well i found it
[17:27] <Dr-007> rob0, https://dpaste.com/9LEEP7MJJ on the top the uuid is alright
[17:28] <Dr-007> but when the initrd stuff is coming in the uuid is different
[17:28] <Dr-007> this is autogenerated via sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:29] <Dr-007> so thats wierd, right?
[17:31] <Rusty_Almighty> Does anyone know of a mirror that contains both arm64 and amd64 architectures?
[17:35] <ogra> Dr-007, you shouldnt run grub-mkconfig directly ... use update-grub instead (there are various scripts that need to be processed first which update-grub does for you)
[17:38] <Dr-007> ogra, hmzmzmz, ok. i will embed it in my script. i hope you're right!
[17:39] <Dr-007> (i read online that grub-mkconfig is the same as update-grub only 'universal' for linux os's. but you, indirectly, say they wrong)
[17:39] <ravage> Rusty_Almighty: https://askubuntu.com/questions/428698/are-there-alternative-repositories-to-ports-ubuntu-com-for-arm you can try the bash script on that post
[17:40] <Dr-007> ogra, be back later. testing it out
[18:02] <Dr-007> update-grub didnt make a difference
[18:04] <ogra> Dr-007, nd the UUID is the filesystem UUID (like i.e. shown by the blkid command), not a GPT UUID ?
[18:04] <ogra> *and
[18:04] <Dr-007> yes. but i gave you a paste earlier
[18:04] <Dr-007> in the upper part it is right
[18:05] <Dr-007> and in the down part where it references the initfs stuff the UUID is false
[18:05] <Dr-007> (wrong)
[18:05] <Dr-007> so im baffled by that
[18:06] <Dr-007> it might be because ive got an exact clone of ubuntu running on partition sda5 and sda8
[18:06] <Dr-007> but why would the upper part be correct
[18:07] <Dr-007> (its not initrd its vmlinuz thats referencing the wrong uuid)
[18:08] <Dr-007> brb
[18:12] <Dr-007> ok, so i manually editted the vmlinuz uuid that was wrong and now it boots rightfully
[18:13] <Dr-007> i have this in my script:   chroot "/mnt/targetfs" /bin/bash -c "sudo update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r) && exit"
[18:13] <Dr-007> and: chroot "$1" /bin/bash -c "sudo update-grub && exit"
[18:14] <Dr-007> to update initramfs and grub. but how do i update the vmlinuz uuid reference in grub thats wrong?
[18:14] <Dr-007> is there a update-vmlinuz?
[18:50] <Joel> ubuntu 20, is it possible to not combine favorites and the running processes in one icon? Kind of like windows used to have quick launch bar, and an actual task list in the bar? In fact, I would love a task bar type behavior, where I can see multiple open chrome windows for ex.
[18:50] <Joel> (in the dock)
[18:54] <ravage> Joel: maybe kubuntu is a good choice for you. test the live iso
[18:59] <leftyfb> Joel: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
[19:01] <leftyfb> oh, NOT combine them
[19:04] <Joel> leftyfb will look at it
[19:04] <Joel> thanks!
[19:08] <chimerasys> anybody aware of current issue with gsd-power blanking the screen after 30 seconds regardless of settings? (impish)
[19:11] <t2> hello folks
[19:11] <t2> I'm trying to install CTParental, but it only has .deb packages for ubuntu 20.04 and 21.10
[19:11] <t2> and I have 21.04
[19:12] <ravage> !eol | t2
[19:12] <t2> do u think it's worth trying to install the 21.10 package? what's the worst that could happen
[19:12] <t2> thanks ravage, I had no idea it was eol already. will upgrade :)
[19:32] <Rusty_Almighty> @ravage, I've done that already and even made certain modifications to the script. My question is similar but distictly different. My question, again, is if there is a repo which has both amd64 and arm64?
[19:33] <Rusty_Almighty> I ask because my initial research tells me that there is not.
[19:35] <sarnold> Rusty_Almighty: there is not; there's ports.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com and while they're two views of one 'internal' archive that has them both, there's nothing accessible that has them both. (even internally, that single source is pretty heavily firewalled)
[19:39] <Bashing-om> Rusty_Almighty: sarnold: https://packages.ubuntu.com/ ?
[19:40] <sarnold> Bashing-om: tjat
[19:40] <sarnold> sigh
[19:40] <sarnold> Bashing-om: that's just a web frontend of the metadata
[19:40] <sarnold> Bashing-om: you couldn't rsync from it to get a local archive mirror
[19:41] <Rusty_Almighty> @sarnold: Interesting. My next question is if there is any imposition to making a single repo that has all of the architectures in it?
[19:41] <Rusty_Almighty> I'm curious if I can just clone the packages from one and then clone the packages from another right on top of it.
[19:42] <oerheks> you can host your mirror yourself.
[19:43] <sarnold> Rusty_Almighty: I've thought about doing that myself, but I'd worry about getting an inconsistent view of the packages -- eg if you update in the middle of a mirror sync, you might get the amd64 packages updated and it might be another four hours before you re-sync and finally get the arm64 packages -- or the other way around
[19:45] <sarnold> Rusty_Almighty: you'd definitely need to fiddle with the rsync commands a bit -- maybe instead of two-stage sync, go with a six-stage sync: first stage amd64, first stage arm64, second stage amd64 (but skip deletes), second stage arm64 (but skip deletes), new third stage for amd64 (include deletes), new third stage for arm64 (include deletes) -- and it might be *impossible* to do the deletes, maybe that
[19:45] <sarnold> would just wreck your mirror
[19:46] <Rusty_Almighty> @oerheks, That's what I'm going but as someone who does too much embedded work.. I need both ARM and AMD64
[19:46] <Rusty_Almighty> doing* :)
[22:02] <eric> hi
[22:11] <eblieb> So I am having this issue on my ubuntu install where I installed Cinamon desktop but when i use cinamon randomly when i am doing stuff or browsing the web the screen will flicker black and then come back and lock itself
[22:12] <eblieb> It was doing it on KDE also.. but using normal ubuntu it doesn't have the issue
[22:12] <eblieb> on 20.040.3 LTS
[22:57] <z1trus> Hello there. Could anyone give me a link to ubuntu kernel patches? I mean does ubuntu have something like in the debian: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/tree/master/debian/patches ?
[22:57] <z1trus> I have Dell Latitude laptop and with ubuntu it works flawlessly. But if I install vanilla kernel, my NVME is overheat even in idle. More over, powertop show me, that CPU (package) reach only PC2, but with ubuntu kernel it reachs PC10.
[22:57] <z1trus> As a result with ubuntu kernel my laptop absolutly cold and battery lasts a much more. So I need to find those special ubuntu patches. How can I find out it?
[22:59] <leftyfb> z1trus: I don't understand what the issue is then. Run ubuntu and you'll be fine
[23:00] <oerheks> my guess is https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/
[23:00] <sarnold> z1trus: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/impish  -- replace 'impish' with 'jammy' or 'focal' or whatever you want
[23:11] <z1trus> Thanks for the links. But it is commints, as I see. So besides special patches, whose migrate from kernel to kernel, those commints are about regular developing process. And I don't know, how separate them. I'm looking for some patchset, for example named "Make Latitude great again". Which I can take, patch vanilla kernel and compile best kernel
[23:11] <z1trus> for my laptop.
[23:12] <leftyfb> z1trus: maybe file a bug with your linux distribution to get them to do this research and patching for you and all of their other users?
[23:13] <z1trus> leftyfb: For personal reason, I need to use rpm based distros. But ubuntu does really usefull job, and I would like to bite some piece from that cake :)
[23:14] <leftyfb> z1trus: maybe file a bug with your linux distribution to get them to do this research and patching for you and all of their other users?
[23:14] <z1trus> leftyfb  You know... I will be told: go and use ubuntu then :)
[23:15] <leftyfb> z1trus: I don't think it makes sense for us to help you find out what your non-ubuntu distribution is doing wrong, and from what you are saying, has no interest in supporting it's users
[23:16] <sarnold> z1trus: aye, the kernel team does rather structure their work for their ease of maintaining it, not necessarily for other people to consume it piecemeal. you might have to do all the heavy lifting yourself
[23:20] <z1trus> leftyfb I respect you opinoin, but in this channel is over 1000 people and I hope not all of them share your minds. Linux community should union, not sitting in own korners and thrown stones in each others.
[23:22] <z1trus> sarnold: I agree with you. But if I don't know what  I must search, there's no chance I find out it.
[23:24] <rob0> Note that it might not be the kernel itself; it could also be video drivers, or even something unrelated.
[23:25] <sarnold> thermald perhaps? there's a lot of pieces..
[23:25] <z1trus> rob0 But why if I replace stock kernel to vanilla one from ubuntu repo I get the same behaviour as in every other distros I tried?
[23:26] <oerheks> do we have a vanilla kernel in our repos?
[23:26] <sarnold> there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds#Upstream_kernel_details
[23:27] <sarnold> these are meant for debugging
[23:27] <rob0> so the Ubuntu kernel fixes your problem?  Is there, then, a problem?  Why not run that distro on the Ubuntu kernel?
[23:28] <oerheks> rob0, indeed there is no problem.
[23:33] <z1trus> rob0: I've prefer not to build FrankenDebian in rpm-based incarnation :) And that's reason, why I try to find those patchset for dell laptop.
[23:33] <z1trus> sarnold: thanks for idea. I'll try to dig it
[23:34] <rob0> well, it's not such a big deal; all you need to do is protect the kernel and modules packages from any automatic upgrades (which should be done anyway IMO)
[23:34] <rob0> but sure, nothing wrong with digging into the source package and see what goes in
[23:35] <z1trus> rob0: I think, it will be my Plan B.
[23:38] <wez> z1trus: You mean FrankenDebiansMonster right? :)
[23:44] <z1trus> wez: Yep :)  There is at least one distro, which has APT-RPM package manager. And it's not misstype. Those guys really use port of Debian's APT for RPM packages.
[23:44] <wez> :O
[23:47] <sarnold> yeah, I used yellowdog linux on an ibook g3 way back in the day
[23:47] <sarnold> they used apt to drive rpm
[23:47] <sarnold> (after giving up on yellowdog update manager... go figure)
[23:47] <sarnold> it worked better than you think, but it wasn't great :)
[23:53] <oerheks> maybe snaps give a solution; https://snapcraft.io/dell-bios-fan-control


[04:12] <Omnifrog> xfce is having problems
[04:15] <Unit193> Oh?
[04:25] <Omnifrog> yes
[04:25] <Omnifrog> it's freezing up on 2 of my boxen
[04:29] <Omnifrog> something is wrong and I instinctively blame systemd
[04:30] <Unit193> Not nouveau, is it?
[04:30] <Omnifrog> no


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[08:36] <Akshay> anybosy can help me creating first app on QT
[08:40] <Akshay> i'm getting this error when I run the demo code
[08:40] <Akshay> module "QtQuick" version 2.0 is not installed       import QtQuick 2.0
[08:40] <tsimpson> you need Qt5 for QtQuick 2.0
[08:41] <Akshay> i follwed all the steps given in ubuntu site
[08:41] <Akshay> i did nothing new
[08:41] <Akshay> what should i donow?
[08:43] <tsimpson> you can either install Qt5.0 from http://qt-project.org/downloads or you can write a QtQuick 1.0 project
[08:44] <Akshay> ok tet me try
[08:45] <Akshay> by the way i run the commad that is given on the ubuntu wesite which i think installs QT5,
[08:45] <Akshay> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta1 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install qt5-meta-full && echo 'export PATH=/opt/qt5/bin:$PATH' >> ~/.bashrc
[08:45] <tsimpson> ah, well that should pull Qt5 then
[08:45] <Akshay> yeah thats what
[08:45] <tsimpson> what command are you running which gives your error message?
[08:45] <Akshay> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[08:46] <Akshay> see this link
[08:46] <Akshay> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/
[08:47] <Akshay> I'm trying to view that tools->external thing
[08:50] <tsimpson> did you set it to use qmlscene?
[08:51] <tsimpson> I don't have a Qt5 setup on this box, so I can't really test the instructions right now
[08:51] <Akshay> ok,
[08:51] <Akshay> I'm trying to setup qmlscene
[15:04] <jvrbanac> mhall119, I'll finish up that ERM diagram tonight after I get off of work.


[01:50] <wrst> mac9416: easy we are going to get used to this
[01:56] <mac9416> wrst, hmmm?
[01:58] <wrst> you being around my friend you have logged in here i think 3 times today mac9416  :)
[02:00] <mac9416> lol
[02:00] <mac9416> My network connection isn't very good apparently.
[02:00] <mac9416> I haven't left on purpose once.
[02:12] <wrst> ha ha well i know the feeling!
[02:58] <mac9416> Usta!
[03:26] <Juzzy> oomg why does ubuntu desktop suck so bad? :(
[03:26] <Juzzy> :(
[03:27] <Juzzy> i
[03:27] <mac9416> What makes you say that?
[03:27] <Juzzy> i'm honestly 1" away from rebuilding my xbmc in windows *cry*
[03:27] <Juzzy> I've tried 4 versions
[03:28] <Juzzy> and EVERY version of the core pieces i needs gets broken while it fixed a different one
[03:28] <mac9416> Is xbmc that media center application?
[03:28] <Juzzy> out of the 4 i tried, jaurty, hardy, karmic, whatever 10.10 is
[03:28] <Juzzy> maverick
[03:28] <Juzzy> only 10.04 picked up my display properly
[03:29] <Juzzy> 62" hdmi, they all showed the right tv
[03:29] <Juzzy> but the other 3 has about 5" of the edge outside my screen
[03:29] <Juzzy> but 10.04's keyboard was broken
[03:29] <mac9416> 0_o
[03:29] <Juzzy> my n,m,v,b, eneter, space all was doing different stuff
[03:30] <Juzzy> you'd be amazed how annoying it is to hit enter every time you press the space bar
[03:30] <Juzzy> goodlucking typing at cli
[03:30] <mac9416> Sounds like a bummer.
[03:30] <Juzzy> yea
[03:30] <Juzzy> I feel like kicking it in the head
[03:30] <Juzzy> :(
[03:31] <mac9416> I know the feeling.  :-/
[03:31] <Juzzy> what's really crappy about it
[03:32] <Juzzy> i had a "decent" desktop back on my 500mhz about 10 years ago
[03:32] <Juzzy> running kde on freebsd that took 3 days to compile
[03:32] <Juzzy> 10 years later, I have a pretty but piece of crap
[03:32] <Juzzy> I can sometimes lock the whole pc by plugging in usb adapters
[03:33] <Juzzy> here all these years I thought USB was hotswapable...
[03:34] <mac9416> Gee, I've never had troubles like those, with Ubuntu or Windoze.
[03:36] <Juzzy> yea
[03:36] <Juzzy> of course not in windows
[03:36] <Juzzy> ;isdufhesoifus
[03:36] <Juzzy> i just finished installing 10.04 from cd
[03:37] <Juzzy> and the display is off the screen
[03:37] <Juzzy> dangit
[03:37] <Juzzy> :(
[03:38] <Juzzy> ah it thinks its a 95" tv
[03:38] <Juzzy> weird
[03:38] <Juzzy> i guess ill get drivers
[12:36] <wrst> wb chibihogoshino !
[12:37] <chibihogoshino> thanks wrst
[12:37] <wrst> how are you doing today chibihogoshino ?
[12:37] <chibihogoshino> trying to get the authentication key box to stop popping up when i first log in
[12:38] <chibihogoshino> other than that im good.. wish i could of seen the moon, last night tho..
[12:41] <wrst> yeah i slept right through it
[14:16] <Xpistos> Morning all
[14:16] <Xpistos> wrst
[14:17] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[14:22] <cyberanger> wrst: if I had known you were intrested, I'd have gotten you up >:-)
[14:23] <wrst> ha ha not that interested cyberanger !
[14:23]  * cyberanger grabbs cattle prod, gives wrst a jolt, followed by a quick "Are you awake now"
[14:23] <wrst> thanks!
[14:23] <wrst> cyberanger: i hate to say it but my arch setup is making me happier and happier campared to issues i have been having in 10.10
[14:23] <cyberanger> all I saw here was cloud cover
[14:24] <cyberanger> yeah, speaking of 10.10 issues, I wonder if they have a fauly package in natty and maverick released on the 15th
[14:24] <cyberanger> dpkg/apt will not install it
[14:25] <cyberanger> or it's been taking hours upon hours
[14:25] <wrst> i haven't had that issue cyberanger  i updated 10.10 last night i'm about to download the daily of natty to get it back on my laptop
[14:27] <cyberanger> two different machines, both tripping
[14:27] <cyberanger> python-minimal
[14:28] <cyberanger> third and fourth machines are lucid (server and my linode, I forgot I had that local server working)
[14:28] <wrst> hmm are you using the US mirror?
[14:29] <cyberanger> no, RIT and ANL
[14:30] <wrst> could that be an issue?
[14:31] <cyberanger> they are behind, ANL is only 6 hours, RIT is one day, but the package in question hasn't changed in that timeframe
[14:31] <cyberanger> so I lean on that not being the issue
[14:33] <cyberanger> the package is from the 15th, neither mirror is 2 days old, and 6 hours meant they missed one check out of 4 in a 24 hour period, the package is near 6 days ago
[14:34] <wrst> i don't know cyberanger  i've had no issues anythig on google?
[14:35] <cyberanger> not that I can tell
[14:35] <wrst> hmm must be you cyberanger  :)
[14:36] <wrst> i've never had that issue
[14:36] <cyberanger> well, I'll be digging at the issue today
[14:37] <wrst> if you need me to test something let me know
[14:40] <wrst> cyberanger: wb :)
[14:40] <wrst> ahh nice cloak!
[14:41] <cyberanger> thanks
[14:41] <cyberanger> as for testing, I'll ask, but idk what to test
[14:41] <cyberanger> honestly what I need is more verbose output
[14:41] <wrst> hmm
[14:42] <cyberanger> and I can get that, but this boils down to a bug report to someone
[14:42] <wrst> good luck with natty i get the feeling they are getting plenty of those :)
[14:44] <cyberanger> well, I hope natty will stay in #ubuntu+1
[14:44] <cyberanger> but this is in natty too, not just maverick
[14:44] <cyberanger> and it's the same package it'd appear
[14:44] <cyberanger> so yeah, odd to say the least
[14:45] <wrst> yes very much so
[16:10] <wrst> cyberanger: any luck yet?
[16:12] <cyberanger> no, I quit looking into it for a little while
[16:12] <wrst> that irritates me to no end when i can't update
[16:13] <cyberanger> oh I can update, I just gotta purge a package critical to too many utilities
[16:22] <wrst> ahh gotcha
[19:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst ping
[19:27] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[19:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: want to check out something i've been working on? i'll pm you a like
[19:27] <pace_t_zulu> s/like/link/
[19:27] <wrst> ok cool :)
[19:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst, you got a decent connection ? it's 15 MB
[19:30] <wrst> no 1.5 :\ its loading :)
[19:31] <pace_t_zulu> should take ~80 sec at that rate... but we all know 1.5 is not really 1.5
[19:31] <wrst> no and i'm downloading about 30 songs from amazon right now :)
[19:32] <wrst> but got it and that is cool pace_t_zulu very cool
[19:32] <pace_t_zulu> :) it has taken a while to arrive at that point
[19:32] <wrst> i would imagine many many hours
[22:57] <Xpistos> Nighty night peoples!
[22:57] <cyberanger> night Xpistos