[00:33] <mm_> .
[00:49] <Abcdqfr> Why doesn't grub.cfg save?
[00:53] <Abcdqfr> Hello?
[01:00] <Typos_King> yes
[01:00] <Typos_King> what do you need?
[01:04] <huston> typos I solved my problem
[01:04] <Abcdqfr> How do you edit grub.cfg?
[01:04] <huston> I ordered a new mini pci card that is linux compatible
[01:05] <huston> should be able to plug it in start it up and have wireless
[01:05] <Abcdqfr> Forget it
[01:06] <Abcdqfr> I'm done with linux
[01:06] <Abcdqfr> Fuck it all!
[01:08] <Typos_King> heh
[01:08] <Typos_King> ...
[01:08] <Typos_King> huston:   not sure it was the right approach... but heehhe, ok
[01:08] <huston> it was cheap enough
[01:09] <Typos_King> I have a broadcom pcmcia and works fine forme
[01:09] <huston> I don't know why I can't get it to work on this machine
[01:09] <huston> it is a dell laptop
[01:10] <Typos_King> so is this one
[01:10] <huston> I have a gateway laptop I am going to throw kubuntu on also
[01:10] <Typos_King> k
[01:10] <huston> but I couldn't get the card to work
[01:10] <huston> in this one
[01:11] <BluesKaj-Laptop> elcheapo acer here , wifi works finew once I installed wicd ..nm worked for one day then refused to connect no matter what.
[01:12] <huston> both my laptops are built from scrap parts
[01:12] <huston> that I am going to run kubuntu on
[01:13] <huston> I will go look at wicd
[01:13] <BluesKaj-Laptop> nm gets disabled by wicd install
[01:14] <joshua__> I am made from scrap parts huston
[01:15] <huston> whatever works
[01:15] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:16] <joshua__> huston: actually it can be a bit troublesome...
[01:16] <Typos_King> BluesKaj-Laptop:       I use network-manager-gnome   works peachy, better than wicd and/or knetworkmanager IMHO
[01:19] <mrunagi_> im having trouble connecting to my wireles on a fresh install, i read somewhere that my laptop has that issue and to use nm-applet but i cannot find nm-applet
[01:20] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Typos_King, well, if wicd works , I don't see how network-manager-gnome can work "better"..it either connects or it doesn't :)
[01:20] <Typos_King> well, if that works for you, sure
[01:21] <Typos_King> mrunagi_ sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome;
[01:21] <Typos_King> mrunagi_ once installed, run nm-applet :)
[01:21] <BluesKaj-Laptop> kde here, so knetworkmanager was the culprit that refused to work after one day
[01:22] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Typos_King, does network-manager-gnome have wpa2 options
[01:22] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ?
[01:23] <Typos_King> yes
[01:24] <Typos_King> it shows under Security, wpa128, wpa64, wpa personal, wpa enterprise, wpa2 personal and enterprise
[01:24] <BluesKaj-Laptop> good, maybe kde will get around to fixing their mess then too
[02:31] <hunt> Hi, I wonder wether I can install kubuntu from my existing ubuntu partition, I would install it on another partition as standalone os, can I run the installer from the .iso somehow in order to do this?
[02:33] <iggimin> Does Wine work in Kubuntu 64-bit 9,10?
[02:34] <netdaemon> yes
[02:34] <iggimin> any tips on setting it up and getting it working? It was easy in Gnome, but I can't get it going in Kubuntu
[02:34] <iggimin> I've already changed the place it looks for the c: drive
[02:34] <iggimin> and disabled Composting
[02:35] <iggimin> but still no go
[02:35] <netdaemon> what is it or is it not doing?
[02:37] <netdaemon> specifically i mean
[02:38] <iggimin> I'm trying to load Dreamweaver 8 - it goes through the installation process ok
[02:39] <iggimin> but then when it says "start Dreamweaver now" it just sits in the panel for a moment but the window never loads
[02:40] <iggimin> I also tried installing the Google Adwords Editor (also worked fine in Gnome) and it had c+ library errors or something like that but I'm not sure if that's related
[02:40] <iggimin> the most important app I need is Dreamweaver 8
[02:40] <iggimin> I can live without Adwords editor, but, sigh, I'm hopelessly addicted to dreamweaver
[02:40] <iggimin> hehe
[02:41] <netdaemon> is ia32 libs installed?
[02:41] <iggimin> how do I check?
[02:41] <netdaemon> aptitude show ia32-libs
[02:42] <netdaemon> in the terminal
[02:42] <netdaemon> State: should read "installed" if it is
[02:42] <iggimin> ia32-libs: State: Installed
[02:42] <iggimin> yeppers
[02:43] <netdaemon> hm
[02:43] <iggimin> at the moment I've fully purged Wine in the hopes that a re-install would help, but this is the 2nd time I've done this
[02:44] <netdaemon> i'm guessing some library is missing that it needs but it should have pulled everything it needed in as dependencies =\
[02:45] <iggimin> I figured the same. hm
[02:46] <iggimin> Are you running Wine in Kubuntu yourself?
[02:46] <netdaemon> i'v not ran wine for a while but i have run things
[02:46] <iggimin> :)
[02:46] <netdaemon> the kubuntu aspect shouldn't matter as much as the 32->64 aspect though
[02:46] <netdaemon> lets see what winehq says
[02:47] <iggimin> In the Winehq channel they say don't run wine in KDE with Composting, but even when I disable that it's still a no go. I agree - I think it's a 64-bit issue
[02:47] <iggimin> hrmph
[02:48] <Kage> Night!
[02:48] <iggimin> Looks like it's time for a 3rd OS on this here machine :-)
[02:48] <iggimin> Does Grub handle more than 2 OS options?
[02:48] <netdaemon> yes
[02:48] <netdaemon> sorry i couldn't be of more assistance
[02:48] <iggimin> no worries - I thank you for your responsiveness.  Have you tried out PC-BSD
[02:49] <iggimin> ?
[02:49] <netdaemon> i have not
[02:49] <hunt> iggimin: have you tried kdevelop?
[02:49] <netdaemon> if i use BSD it's typically FreeBSD
[02:49] <iggimin> hunt, searching for kdevelop now...
[02:51] <netdaemon> ah yes, i forgot about the web designer that comes with that
[02:51] <netdaemon> well kdewebdev
[02:51] <netdaemon> i think...
[02:52] <iggimin> kdevelop looks kinda high-level....I'm not a developer, just an operator
[02:53] <iggimin> oh. KDE Web apps
[02:53] <iggimin> Quanta, Kompozer, etc. I have them all. And Bluefish
[02:55] <iggimin> I can do the same things they do with Gedit and Firebug
[02:55] <iggimin> Windows I can live without, but Dreamweaver is pretty solid, unfortunately.
[02:56] <hunt> iggimin: what output does wine give you when it stops?
[02:56] <iggimin> hunt: nothing. The Dreamweaver switcher icon appears in the panel for about a minute, then just disappears. I never see a window at all. And no error msgs
[02:57] <hunt> iggimin: did you run wine in a terminal?
[02:58] <iggimin> you mean: "wine /dreamweaver" command? No - I've been using the Kickoff Application launcher
[02:58] <iggimin> I did install Wine from the terminal though
[02:58] <hunt> iggimin: could you run dreamweaver from the terminal then please?
[02:59] <iggimin> yeah, that I can try. brb
[03:10] <iggimin> I just re-installed Dreamweaver from command line using "wine Dreamweaver.exe" and there are some errors: http://pastebin.ca/1831127
[03:11] <iggimin> like "RpcChannelBuffer SendReceive Failed"
[03:15] <hunt> iggimin: yeah... I've got nothing then...
[03:15] <hunt> iggimin: you leave the "run dreamweaver now" thing marked right?
[03:15] <iggimin> no worries.
[03:15] <iggimin> yeah - 5 times now, heheh
[03:16] <hunt> iggimin: did you try unchecking once and start dreamweaver manually after that?
[03:16] <iggimin> I'm about to navigate to the C: drive with terminal and use Wine to run it so I can read all the output
[03:16] <iggimin> yes- tried that also :-)
[03:16] <hunt> iggimin: well, i'd say ask in #wine then
[03:17] <iggimin> yeah. I have. Will try again. Thought I'd give it a shot in here in case anyone here is actually using Wine in Kubuntu 64-bit.
[03:18] <iggimin> In my experience thus far with Linux, the answer will hit me like a ton of bricks, in about 3 weeks, heheh
[03:18] <hunt> iggimin: or... what you could also try is to install a more recent wine version from a ppa
[03:18] <hunt> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[03:19] <hunt> iggimin: I would remove your existing dreamweaver installation first and then add the ppa and update wine
[03:19] <iggimin> now that's new...I'm looking into it
[03:20] <zebastian> is there a zui for ubuntu on kde?
[03:20] <iggimin> hunt, awesome. I will purge everything and start over with one of the PPA betas - what have I got to lose besides time? :-D
[03:22] <zebastian> is it true there's a ZUI on KDE?
[03:22] <iggimin> here's the error in Terminal: http://pastebin.ca/1831127
[03:22] <iggimin> oops - scratch that...old pastebin
[03:22] <iggimin> here's the terminal error - err:module:attach_process_dlls "odbc32.dll" failed to initialize, aborting
[03:23] <iggimin> I wonder if I could just copy that dll from Windoze and drop it into my .wine folder?
[03:24] <hunt> iggimin: you can download it and then drag it to .wine/yourCdrive/system32
[03:24] <hunt> .wine/drive_c/windows/system32 that is to be accurate
[03:25] <iggimin> kk. checking
[03:25] <hunt> iggimin: http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?odbc32 from here for example
[03:26] <hunt> zebastian: you can zoom in kde with compositing enabled
[03:26] <zebastian> how can i install kde
[03:26] <zebastian> but just kde
[03:27] <zebastian> not kubuntu
[03:27] <zebastian> i have ubuntu
[03:27] <zebastian> and which kde
[03:27] <iggimin> hunt, yep - I found it online. Trying now
[03:28] <zebastian> this is what i'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface
[03:28] <hunt> zebastian: ubuntu with kde and kubuntu is practically the same thing
[03:28] <hunt> zebastian: you can do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <hunt> zebastian: but you can zoom in ubuntu too using compiz
[03:29] <zebastian> hunt:  that won't install any apps right? by the way i am on HARDY so i might need to get it from somewhere else
[03:29] <hunt> zebastian: that does install apps, you get the whole kubuntu installation, you can choose which one to use at each login
[03:30] <zebastian> i just one the DE
[03:30] <zebastian> how do you zoom with gnome?
[03:30] <hunt> zebastian zebastian try the package kdebase-workspace then
[03:30] <zebastian> i have compiz installed
[03:30] <hunt> zebastian: install compizconfig-settingsmanager
[03:31] <zebastian> i want the newest kde btw
[03:31] <zebastian> and i'm on hardy
[03:31] <zebastian> i already ran that and checked the zooming but i don't know how to do the zooming
[03:32] <hunt> zebastian: you can change the shortcut in the settingsmanager
[03:33] <hunt> zebastian: but I dont think that really is what you want
[03:34] <zebastian> i want a 2D as light as lxde desktop where i can zoom into anything and everything
[03:34] <hunt> zebastian: well if you just want to zoom in, then this is what compiz can do
[03:34] <hunt> zebastian: but thats not what a zui really is
[03:35] <zebastian> is there a linux distro that you know of has a zui
[03:35] <hunt> zebastian: in kde you have activities which would propably come close to a zui
[03:36] <zebastian> so how do i get the latest kde backported to hardy as i am sure that sudo apt-get kdebase-workspace wont get me the latest version
[03:36] <hunt> zebastian: yes that will propably give you kde 3 or 4.0
[03:36] <hunt> zebastian: but I dont think there is a ppa for hardy
[03:38] <hunt> zebastian: zebastian: I guess you have to cheat which could make things a bit unstable
[03:39] <zebastian> i believe in freedom
[03:39] <zebastian> www.freedomainradio.com
[03:39] <zebastian> so what do you mean by cheat?
[03:40] <hunt> zebastian: you could add a ppa thats not for hardy but for a more recent version like jaunty or karmic
[03:42] <zebastian> should work right?
[03:42] <hunt> zebastian: it could mess up things badly
[03:42] <zebastian> what is this virtuall desktop? i hear this might be the closest thing in ubuntu
[03:43] <zebastian> hunt: well is there documentation for it
[03:44] <hunt> zebastian: are you on ubuntu right now?
[03:44] <zebastian> yes
[03:44] <zebastian> on gnome
[03:44] <hunt> zebastian: ok, in the lower right corner there should be two squares, this are your virtual desktops
[03:45] <zebastian> oh
[03:45] <zebastian> the workspaces....not what i meant
[03:45] <hunt> zebastian: well these are virtual desktops
[03:45] <zebastian> there must be someone out there interested in having everything in a 2d-->3d environment
[03:46] <hunt> zebastian: do you want something like the iphone interface?
[03:47] <hunt> zebastian: in kde you can dynamically add acitivities which are basically workspaces and switch between them
[03:47] <zebastian> like bluebottle
[03:48] <hunt> zebastian: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/ZUI
[03:49] <hunt> zebastian: I dont know bluebottle
[03:49] <zebastian> i havent got practice in programming
[03:49] <zebastian> but this is something so good for humanity
[03:50] <zebastian> that i'd go work with them
[03:50] <El_T10> hi?
[03:50] <El_T10> i m new on this..
[03:50] <El_T10> any help here...
[03:50] <hunt> iggimin: did it work?
[03:51] <iggimin> I'll be dang-ed
[03:51] <iggimin> I'm getting somewhere.
[03:51] <hunt> El_T10: you dont have to ask to ask a question
[03:51] <iggimin> I over-rode the odbc.dll using Wine Config...
[03:51] <iggimin> then had to add a drive called odbcint.dll
[03:51] <El_T10> hunt:  tranks...
[03:52] <iggimin> and now I'm further than ever before, heheh. I was just setting up Dreamweaver when you asked.... stand by :-)
[03:52] <El_T10> i m from argentina... and i have a problem with my isp modem....
[03:52] <El_T10> it used to work on kubuntu 8.10 but now on kubuntu 9.10 it doesn t work..
[03:52] <El_T10> i ve an speedtouch330
[03:52] <El_T10> i ve search on the net..
[03:53] <El_T10> the solution i found was the same than the one i used to use for kubuntu 8.10
[03:53] <El_T10> but for kubuntu 9.10 on 64 bits doesnt work
[03:56] <hunt> El_T10: could you show me that solution?
[03:57] <iggimin> YESSS! Dreamweaver connected to my webserver successfully!!! BOOM!
[03:57] <iggimin> heheh
[03:57] <hunt> iggimin: :D great :D
[03:58] <iggimin> hunt, YES! So now I'm going to re-enable KDE Composting and see if it still works (I bet it does, heheh)
[04:00] <iggimin> Oh it feels so good! :-)
[04:01] <iggimin> thanks for the hand-holding hunt!
[04:02] <El_T10> yes... but it s on spanish....
[04:07] <El_T10> i did it with this link http://b2dbuntu.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/speedtouch-330-de-la-manera-mas-facil/
[04:08] <RnFstRuckHrd_> Hello All - I have two machines (laptop and desktop) running Kubuntu 9.10 and I am trying to find out if there is any way to get Kontact to synch between the two of them. Can anyone provide some incite please? Thanks!
[04:13] <El_T10> hunt http://b2dbuntu.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/speedtouch-330-de-la-manera-mas-facil/
[04:13] <El_T10> hunt: http://b2dbuntu.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/speedtouch-330-de-la-manera-mas-facil/
[04:16] <Zhenya> hi guys, is anyone here that can help a noob out with some tar stuff?
[04:16] <hunt> iggimin: youre welcome
[04:16] <Daughain> Its nasty and sticky, anything else ya need?
[04:16] <hunt> El_T10: thanks I'll have a look at it
[04:17] <Zhenya> hi, guys. I have a simple question
[04:17] <Zhenya> I'm trying to unpack a tar
[04:17] <El_T10> thanks a lot to you... i ll continue trying when i ve time. between work and university.
[04:17] <Zhenya> ark doesn't have SU permissions so I can stick the app in /usr/bin/
[04:17] <Zhenya> how do i unzip the files via prompt
[04:18] <hunt> El_T10: you do use this modem to connect to the internet right?
[04:19] <El_T10> hunt:  yes but now i m via dhcp lan. an old pc is connected to internet with dhcp
[04:20] <hunt> El_T10: when you run this script from the link you gave me, does it give you any output when it fails?
[04:22] <El_T10> hunt:  it doesn t fails...
[04:22] <El_T10> the script run well
[04:23] <El_T10> but it says when i try to dial that...
[04:23] <El_T10> i ll show you my output
[04:25] <hunt> El_T10: I'll just reboot so I can help you better, then you can show me your output ok?
[04:25] <El_T10> oks
[04:25] <El_T10> hunt:  oks
[04:28] <hunt> El_T10: ok here I am
[04:29] <El_T10> great
[04:29] <El_T10> when i try
[04:29] <El_T10> sudo /etc/init.d/dial
[04:30] <El_T10> it says... FATAL: Module ppp_generic not found.
[04:30] <El_T10> El firmware Speedtouch no se cargó
[04:30] <El_T10> the traduction of the last line is the firmware from speedtouch doesn t work
[04:32] <hunt> El_T10: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/UbuDSL?content=64905
[04:32] <hunt> El_T10: try using this tool
[04:33] <hunt> El_T10: the speedtouch 330 is a usb modem right?
[04:33] <El_T10> hunt: can i use the one from ubuntu 8.04?
[04:33] <El_T10> hunt:  yes....
[04:34] <hunt> El_T10: you're on 9.10 so better use the 8.10 version
[04:34] <hunt> El_T10: are you on i386 or amd64?
[04:34] <El_T10> amd64
[04:34] <hunt> El_T10: ok install it and try it please
[04:35] <El_T10> hunt:  it seems that there is a broken link...
[04:35] <El_T10> on 8.10 amd64
[04:35] <hunt> El_T10: ah yeah... crap..
[04:37] <hunt> El_T10: I guess that makes it a bit more complicated
[04:37] <Zhenya> exit
[04:37] <Zhenya> lo
[04:37] <El_T10> hunt:  jjeje... yes but i know the name of the program...
[04:38] <El_T10> hunt:  i ll search for it... you kno if it has a repository?
[04:38] <hunt> El_T10: well I am looking for it too and it looks like the program is dead and it never got in the repositories
[04:39] <hunt> El_T10: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubudsl/ you can try the amd64 version from here, if it doesnt work we'll go from there
[04:40] <hunt> El_T10: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubudsl/files/ubudsl/ubudsl_0.9.0-9_amd64.deb/ this is the direct link to the package
[04:40] <hunt> El_T10: it is an older beta though, but it might still work
[04:41] <El_T10> hunt: great i ll download. but i ve to go to sleep because tomorrow i ll have a hard day.
[04:42] <El_T10> hunt:  tomorrow if i can i ll try to install that ubudsl
[04:42] <hunt> El_T10: ok good night, if the amd64 package doesnt work, try the more recent i386 and ask for install help here, if that doesnt work, compile it from source
[04:43] <hunt> El_T10: and if that doesnt work, show the script to somebody here and he might be able to help you
[04:48] <El_T10> hunt:  lots of thanks!!!
[04:48] <El_T10> seea ya
[04:48] <hunt> El_T10: yw, bye
[04:52] <Kasm279> i cant get my windows hard drive to mount (NFS, windows XP) When i click on it in dolphin, it just hops back to whatever folder i was already in. I'm running Kubuntu on my second hard drive and windows on the first
[04:52] <Kasm279> any ideas oon getting it to mount?
[04:54] <Kasm279> also, i cant get any desktop effects even though they are enabled
[05:09] <lekeno> Hey everyone
[05:09] <Kasm279> i cant get my windows hard drive to mount (NFS, windows XP) When i click on it in dolphin, it just hops back to whatever folder i was already in. I'm running Kubuntu on my second hard drive and windows on the first
[05:36] <Daughain> OK......Where is the setting to allow me to seperate my desktops?
[05:50] <iconmefisto> Daughain: it's changed since I first did it, but now it seems to be in systemsettings > desktop > multiple desktops, "different activity for each desktop"
[05:50] <iconmefisto> Daughain: this is on kde 4.4.1
[05:51] <Daughain> Thanks, iconmefisto. I got this all done months ago, and, now doing one for a freind......
[05:51] <Daughain> I dont think I am using 4.4.1
[05:52] <Daughain> Ishould still be on 4.3.2
[05:52] <iconmefisto> Daughain: I can't remember specifically, but when I first changed that setting I had to zoom out (from the cashew on the desktop) and there was a settings button when zoomed out that let me access the setting
[05:53] <Daughain> Thts right....I knew it was something in the cashew.....Just couldnt remember what......zoom.
[05:54] <Daughain> Configure plasma.
[05:57] <Daughain> Thanks again, iconmefisto
[06:50] <Zxcvb> how do I get kword to save in something other than odt?
[06:56] <explore> did anyone here use skype trace?
[06:59] <awaad> I installed kde on ubuntu by running "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and I have a black screen and the pointer of the mouse and the screenlets only running
[06:59] <awaad> How can I solve this problem because I want to use kde in addition to gnome
[07:00] <awaad> ?
[07:30] <Brandon_Lee> hi free people
[07:36] <explore> is there any channel for skype on irc?
[07:41] <sobol> hi all
[08:05] <ubuntu> Hello
[08:06] <ubuntu> How do i reinstall KDE on Gnome, Cause i have changed many settings and having a lots of proglems but Gnome is working perfectly as always
[08:06] <ubuntu> Any help please
[08:06] <ubuntu> :)
[08:08] <ubuntu> Hello ?
[08:11] <ubuntu> ANYONE THERE
[08:11] <ubuntu> ?
[08:20] <Dodou> Hello every one,
[08:20] <Dodou> i have a problem
[08:21] <Dodou> i cant install any think on my kubuntu
[08:21] <Dodou> i cant install even .deb files
[08:25] <Dodou> every time i get this message: "cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend. Please close any other legacy packaging tools that may be open"
[08:25] <iconmefisto> !aptfix | Dodou
[08:26] <Dodou> ubottu: i will try, thak you
[08:33] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[08:33] <phoenix_> anyone using konqueror
[08:33] <Vge> allways
[08:33] <phoenix_> Vge: i have a problem with konqueror can you help me
[08:34] <Vge> phoenix_: debends on the question
[08:35] <phoenix_> Vge: in the google search suggested results drop down list, when i press the down key, the pointer moves two places.
[08:35] <phoenix_> Vge: i will show you the snapshot
[08:36] <Vge> phoenix_: i sorry but i never have used it as a browser, IMHO it just sucks with rendering, i'm sorry but your on your own
[08:36] <phoenix_> Vge: what is the browser that you are using
[08:37] <Vge> phoenix_: firefox and opera
[08:38] <iconmefisto> phoenix_: have you tried arora?
[08:39] <phoenix_> iconmefisto: what is arora
[08:39] <iconmefisto> !info arora
[08:39] <iconmefisto> it's a qt-based browser, very fast
[08:40] <Vge> apparently added to sources quite reacently?
[08:41] <iconmefisto> Vge: arora has been around for at least a year in repos, I think
[08:41] <Vge> iconmefisto: ahh, no wonder i don't have it :)
[08:42] <phoenix_> i will try it .thank you
[08:48] <madsu> is there pop up notification for new messages in Konversation like agents in mirc
[08:50] <darna> ubottu: hey ubottu its Dodou, i did what you tell me but it does not work, now i get another message:"unknown error, please report a bug"
[08:51] <madsu> yes it is there,sorry didnt check properly
[09:46] <Rattts> anyone know hwo to reset or reload my screen....graphics got jumbled when i tried runnign wow on wine
[09:47] <Rattts> anyone home?
[09:50] <bvitaly> natkanik35 лучше одну основную систему (лучше линух), а все остальние в виртуальных машинах. Притом можно несколько "одинаковых" виндоус но с разным набором ПО: для графики, для прогамирования и прочее...
[10:18] <RRRattss> anyone know how i can get around running wine in sudo...it wont let me do it....when i try to run wow under wine, it crashes because it gets an access denied
[10:18] <RRRattss> thats why i want to try and run it with sudo
[10:18] <RRRattss> but then wine wont let me
[10:26] <madsu_> RRRattss: were u able to refresh the screen?
[10:27] <madsu_> if not try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[11:06] <avihay> RRRattss: look for a package called: play on linux, it lets you run multiple wine versions. it might help prevent the need for sudo, and it might have your game with a fix to prevent the screen distortion
[11:07] <Vroomfondle> or Wine-doors
[11:09] <avihay> I think it's dead (wine doors)
[11:11] <Vroomfondle> is it? damn
[11:11] <Vroomfondle> haven't used it in a while
[11:43] <Spaceman> hi, suddenly FTP has stopped working, what can be done to restore it?
[11:46] <Spaceman> konqueror used to pop up a box asking for the login details but now it doesn't do that instead it tells me "An error occurred while loading ftp://ftp...:"
[11:59] <ubuntu> who from  Russia?
[12:01] <awaad> I installed KDE on ubuntu9.10 by running "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and it is installed but when I try to login through a kde session I have only a black screen and the pointer of the mouse .
[12:01] <awaad> Any one can help please ?
[12:14] <awaad> Is there any one here ?
[12:18] <awaad> Any one can help please ?
[12:18] <vitalblue> hi there try
[12:18] <vitalblue> apt-get update
[12:18] <vitalblue> apt-get update
[12:18] <avihay> awaad: it should work, try reinstalling apt-get --reinstall
[12:18] <vitalblue> apt-get upgrade
[12:18] <FloodBotK2> vitalblue: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:18] <vitalblue> apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:19] <avihay> I mean sudo apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[12:19] <vitalblue> maybe this will help to reinstall or upgrade some libraries
[12:21] <awaad> vitalblue: I ran "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" and my system is up to date
[12:21] <awaad> avihay : I will try it now
[12:25] <awaad> After running "apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-desktop", I have an error message which says "E: Invalid operation kubuntu-desktop"
[12:28] <avihay> maybe  "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"   ?
[12:29] <goodtime> try the synaptic package
[12:30] <awaad> avihay: I will try this
[12:30] <awaad> goodtime: What can I do using the synaptic package manager ?
[12:30] <goodtime> you can install
[12:31] <goodtime> you just want the desktop right?
[12:31] <goodtime> might be in there
[12:32] <aleister_> hi everyone
[12:33] <awaad> goodtime: yes I am but I installed it already
[12:34] <awaad> avihay: It worked
[12:35] <awaad> aihay : but it took very short period of time
[12:35] <awaad> aihay: Now I will test and logout from gnome and try to login kde now
[12:35] <awaad> avihay: Now I will test and logout from gnome and try to login kde now
[12:36] <aleister_> sorry to interrupt you people but i have a little problem with kubuntu, could someone help me please ?
[12:36] <avihay> !ask
[12:41] <aleister_> ok, so i have installed kubuntu 9.10 in a new partition of my disk. I have 3 parts, one for windows, one for ubuntu and one for all my personnal data. In the part "data", there's my torrent files along with other like wallpapers. When i boot the computer, ubuntu is unable to find these files. For example, Ktorrent won't find the torrent and it ask me to find it manually, and when i do it works. Same problem withe the wallpapers
[12:41] <aleister_> . Is there something to do to resolve this problem ?
[12:42] <erk10> im running windows 7 with ubuntu 9.10 on virtual box and its runnin very smooth
[12:42] <awaad> It didn't wooooork, the same black screen with the screenlets only
[12:43] <awaad> I tried Alt+F3 and the windows appeared
[12:43] <avihay> screenlets? I thought you only had a mouse pointer
[12:44] <awaad> avihay: No, I have only the mouse pointer and one windows of the screenlets which I can't close in kde or even move it
[12:45] <avihay> try renameing  your kde settings folder
[12:45] <awaad> avihay: How ?
[12:45] <awaad> avihay: I don't know where is that folder
[12:45] <avihay> aleister_: what is the exact problem with the walpapers
[12:46] <awaad> avihay: In kde I tried to Right click on the black screen but no thing happened
[12:47] <avihay> awaad: try the following commands: "cd ~" , "mv .kde kde_backup"  without the ""
[12:47] <awaad> avihay : ok
[12:48] <avihay> that shoud reset your kde settings
[12:48] <aleister_> > avihay, the wallpapers are stored within a different partition and so when i start kubuntu, it just don't appear on screen. I'm just tired of going search for it manually everytime i start the computer. It's the same problem with ktorrent.
[12:48] <avihay> *shuld
[12:49] <avihay> aleister_: from what I understand, what happens is that the "data" partition isn't automounted, so that every time you restart, you need to mount it before the wallpapers and torrents start to work. is that a good description?
[12:50] <avihay> *should
[12:50] <erk10> lol i bet you thats whats happening
[12:50] <erk10> maybe put that stuff on the main partition
[12:50] <erk10> or atleast the ubuntu partition
[12:51] <aleister_> i think this description would fit, but if it is not automounted why can i browse into it ?
[12:51] <erk10> because it mounts when you open it
[12:51] <aleister_> ok
[12:51] <avihay> you can also have it automounted. I don't know how to do that graphicly, last time I had a problem like that, I played around a bit with fstab, and never looked back
[12:52] <avihay> when you try to browse it with dolphin or the open file dialog box, it mounts the partition for you
[12:52] <aleister_> fstab ? sorry i'm a total newbie, i've installed kubuntu only yesterday?
[12:53] <erk10> might wanna take that torrent client you got and get you some ubuntu command line books lol
[12:53] <avihay> there is a config file called fstab that handels all the automatic partition mounts
[12:54] <aleister_> thanks, i'm gonna look into this, i'll tell you if i find it, and if it works properly.
[12:56] <avihay> aleister_: this could be a good starting point: http://www.google.co.il/search?q=kubuntu+automaount+start&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[12:58] <aleister_> > erk10 : in fact, i can't put all that stuff on the main partition for i don't have enough free space left, besides, i'd prefer it to stay that way, thanks anyway.
[12:58] <aleister_> avihay : thank you
[13:00] <erk10> np but if you were to put it on either that partition which im assuming is where you have your boot loader stored or on the ubuntu partition both those will already be configured to automount so it would be your simplest fix
[13:08] <aleister_> erk10 : if i understand right, it would fix my problem to merge my 'data'  and ubuntu into a single partition ?
[13:09] <erk10> yea that would be one solution
[13:09] <erk10> see ubuntu can see your windows filesystem so you should just have all that stuff on the windows parition anyhow and like i said thats assuming that the boot loader is on the windows primary partition
[13:09] <aleister_> erk10 ; right now i'm downloading 'disc-manager' in order to do so.
[13:10] <erk10> good idea that should solve the issue
[13:10] <erk10> but one issue with that is once the data is on the ubuntu partition after its merged windows may not see it
[13:11] <erk10> windows is not friendly with linux filesystem
[13:11] <awaad> avihay: I moved the directory you told me and tried to login again, but i had the same problem
[13:11] <awaad> avihay: any other suggestions ?
[13:12] <aleister_> > erk10 : i'll give it a try anyway, screw microsoft !
[13:12] <erk10> oh i completly agree i call it microsuck faildows for a reason lol
[13:13] <erk10> if you get crossover for ubuntu you can run most your windows apps in linux anyway
[13:13] <erk10> between crossover and wine you can do just about anything you need to in linux
[13:14] <aleister_> > erk10 : do you mean emulate windows ?
[13:14] <erk10> im using both windows 7 ultimate 64bit and ubuntu studio 9.10 64bit simultaneously as we speak
[13:14] <awaad> I had a problem with installing KDE on ubunt because after loggine and writing user name and password I only have a black screen and the mouse pointer and the screenlets working
[13:14] <awaad> any one can help ?
[13:15] <erk10> no im not talking about virtual pc it builds a windows filesystem within linux for you to be able to install your windows apps in linux
[13:15] <erk10> but you could do virtual box inside of ubuntu with windows on it and that would solve your problem with windows or use vmware for ubuntu it works nicely too
[13:15] <aleister_> > erk10 ooh, that's interesting ! how do you do that ?
[13:16] <erk10> i prefer virtual box though because it allows seemless mode aswell as it supports 3d acceleration so i get all the compiz fusion toys
[13:17] <erk10> i know this because i a os geek from hell lol i play with just about every os out there
[13:17] <erk10> i have 100's of os's on this computer runnin on virtual pc's
[13:17] <aleister_> but know, my pc's an old P4 with less than 1gb in ram, so i think it would be rather slow if i emulate zindoz
[13:17] <erk10> aswell as a quad boot setup with windows 7 ubuntu 9.10 solaris and redhat
[13:18] <erk10> you still on windows xp?
[13:18] <aleister_> yeah, 'xp cracked edition'
[13:19] <erk10> well it runs on about 256 mb of ram farely easy
[13:20] <erk10> so if you use ubuntu 9.10 as host os and windows xp on the virtual pc using 256 mb of ram it should run both os's pretty easy
[13:20] <erk10> i'd use vmware for your computer wont take up as many resources
[13:20] <|sysop|> use micro xp
[13:20] <erk10> yea micro xp wouldnt be a bad idea
[13:21] <|sysop|> it runs pretty good in qemu on my ppc 1.2 ghz
[13:21] <erk10> wont have the functionality but sounds like your mostly into media anyway so it would do just fine
[13:21] <|sysop|> the only thing that sucks about micro xp is no terminal services.
[13:22] <|sysop|> so you cant do seamless virtualztion.
[13:22] <erk10> like i said functionality and very limited to applications you can use
[13:22] <|sysop|> not applications.
[13:22] <|sysop|> you can run games and just about anything in it.
[13:22] <|sysop|> just some of the system stuff has been cut out.
[13:22] <erk10> right
[13:23] <erk10> its just an extremely stipped down version of xp thats all lol
[13:23] <|sysop|> like no mulitple users.
[13:23] <erk10> stripped*
[13:23] <|sysop|> so if even if you installed terminal services you cant do the hack that allows you to have mutlple connections.
[13:23] <erk10> he'd be better off using windows 2000 though much faster
[13:24] <|sysop|> I dont know you could try tiny windows 7
[13:24] <aleister_> i'm trying to get discmanager working, i'll be right back
[13:24] <avihay> awaad: sorry, I don't have any more ideas
[13:24] <erk10> yea but he'd most likely have to run that in windows basic graphics in order to conserve the resources because ubuntu is gonna take up a good amount of them
[13:25] <awaad> avihay: never mind, and thanks alot for trying helping me
[13:25] <|sysop|> true. here is a suggestion. get the all windows dvd. start with the newest os and work your way back to till you find something that runs at the speed you want.
[13:26] <erk10> lol not a bad idea
[13:26] <erk10> brb gotta get me a cup of coffee
[13:26] <avihay> erk10: your computer probably supports hardware vittualization. that lowers the overhead of running a VM. an old p4 won't have hardware virtualization
[13:27] <erk10> i've run virtual pc on a p4 before and had no issues
[13:27] <erk10> i did have 2 gigs of ram though which helps a ton
[13:28] <|sysop|> thats what I ahve on the ppc, just no hardware.
[13:29] <|sysop|> I cant get lucid to install into qemu virtual. the alternate iso and netbook iso wont boot in qemu
[13:30] <|sysop|> just a blank screen using up tons of cpu.
[13:30] <|sysop|> I have let it set overnight and still nothing.
[13:30] <|sysop|> sit overnight
[13:31] <|sysop|> ne suggestions? I am giving it 512 megs of ram.
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:24] <Logomachist> I just added kde to Ubuntu 9.10, but when I try to log in with the KDE desktop (after I enter my username and password) the screen more or less freezes (although I can still move the mouse). This happens whether I use kdm or gdm.
[14:31] <kupuntu> hi
[14:31] <kupuntu> hello
[14:31] <Logomachist> Hi
[14:34] <arch0njw> how did you add kde?
[14:34] <arch0njw> did you install "kubuntu-desktop"?
[14:43] <ivan_> hi
[14:44] <ivan_> my laptops bluetooth wont start what can I do?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!
[14:48] <snarkfish> if you have two hard drives one with vista one with kubuntu it wants to start from the vista drive.. how do i grub to the first drive?
[14:49] <arch0njw> ivan_: have you checked the log files for any errors to do with bluetooth?  "cd /var/log; grep blue *"
[14:49] <arch0njw> snarkfish:  in what order did you install the OSes?  Kubuntu the Vista?
[14:49] <snarkfish> vista first, then kubuntu
[14:50] <arch0njw> When you boot the machine, are you getting anything that says something about grub?
[14:50] <arch0njw> i.e., "Press Esc to enter the Grub menu"?
[14:50] <sanich> есть кто русский
[14:50] <genii> !ru | sanich
[14:50] <snarkfish> nope if i dont hit esc and choose the second drive to boot it goes straight to vista, if i choose the second drive i get the grub menu
[14:51] <arch0njw> snarkfish: Sounds like maybe you need to go into your BIOS and specify the drive boot order.
[14:51] <snarkfish> hmm
[14:52] <snarkfish> when i go into the bios it just shows internal hd not which drive.
[14:52] <arch0njw> okay, I'll back up for a second:  are these installed on the same physical drive?
[14:52] <snarkfish> is there a way to install grub on the first drive and remove it from the second?
[14:52] <snarkfish> ah no they arent.. vista has the original 250 gb drive, Kubuntu has the new 640
[14:53] <arch0njw> Okay.  I am going to guess that the selection you are first presented with is the boot loader that comes with Vista and not Grub.
[14:53] <snarkfish> right
[14:53] <arch0njw> You need to know what the drives are, and update your BIOS to tell it to boot from the physical drive containing Kubuntu.
[14:54] <snarkfish> ok
[14:54] <arch0njw> I believe the option in most BIOS is called the "Boot Order" or "Boot Priority".
[14:54] <snarkfish> well i tried that.. in boot order it just says internal hard drive.
[14:55] <arch0njw> I am going to guess you should be able to expand that item and choose which internal drive.  Most BIOS are aware of multiple internal drives.
[14:55] <snarkfish> this is a laptop btw.. I really only wanted 1 hard drive. (1Tb) but I couldnt locate a Tb drive so now i have 2 drives.
[14:55] <arch0njw> Is the second drive internal?
[14:55] <snarkfish> yes
[14:55] <snarkfish> big laptop
[14:55] <arch0njw> Okay, there is a chance that it matters which drive is in which bay.
[14:56] <snarkfish> thats what really concerns me
[14:56] <arch0njw> One bay might be considered the "Master" bay by the BIOS, and the other might be considered the "Slave".
[14:56] <snarkfish> if i move the drives around then it changes the drive designations
[14:56] <snarkfish> and then nothing will work.
[14:57] <arch0njw> Ah...  Okay, so on that original menu, if you choose the boot from your second drive and then choose to load Kubuntu, does that work?
[14:57] <snarkfish> sure does
[14:57] <snarkfish> if i choose to boot from the second drive I get the complete grub menu
[14:57] <arch0njw> Okay.  Another option here is to NOT display the Grub boot menu on that second drive and set it to a 5 second timeout.
[14:58] <snarkfish> if i dont choose the second drive it goes straight to vista
[14:58] <arch0njw> So you would get that first menu, choose your second drive, see a message about "Press Esc to show the GRUB menu" , and 5 seconds later it would just boot.
[14:58] <snarkfish> as if linux isnt even installed
[14:58] <ivan_> I would like to check the errors but my knowledg is a little insaficient!!!!!!!
[14:59] <arch0njw> snark: Right, that drive is defined as the default primary.  I am not familiar with the Windows boot loader, but there should be a way to define the second as the default
[14:59] <snarkfish> i must press esc to get a sub-menu telling me to press F9 to access a boot menu where it shows me 3 option cdrom, internal hard drive, internal hard drive
[14:59] <arch0njw> Oh... I get it now.  Hmm... Vista's boot loader isn't even setup or aware of a second drive.
[15:00] <snarkfish> i thought if i just ran grub and installed it on the first drive it would fix my issue, guess its not that easy.. Im all eyes to you my friend..
[15:00] <snarkfish> right vista knows nothing of the other drive till after it boots
[15:00] <arch0njw> That is where my knowledge gets very fuzzy.  You might want to see if this helps.  You could coerce the Vista bootloader to give you a menu:  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468626.aspx
[15:12] <Walid0000001> hello
[15:12] <Walid0000001> guys
[15:12] <Walid0000001> can I have some help with kubuntu
[15:12] <Walid0000001> I am completely noob with it, and I am trying to learn it a bit. but first thing is I can't get it to work with virtual box correctly
[15:12] <Walid0000001> it installs but the guest additions won't install correctly
[15:12] <Walid0000001> any help would be appreciated
[15:13] <Walid0000001> I searched the net it said that I could use sudo apt-get update
[15:13] <Walid0000001> but that won't work
[15:14] <Walid0000001> it will keep giving me failed to fetch error
[15:26] <VitalBlue> does anyone faces any problem with kate in KDE 4.4?
[15:28] <Unksi> VitalBlue: with karmic, crashes if a file with iso encoding is opened in utf-8 and tried to be edited, works well with lucid though
[15:28] <Unksi> other than that, no :p
[15:29] <VitalBlue> when i open a text file
[15:30] <VitalBlue> kate is working as usuall but the rest of the KDE enviroment is gone. I mean desktop, taskbar etc...strange
[15:30] <Unksi> havent seen such behavior.. wonder if you have engaged some kind of special mode?
[15:31] <Unksi> VitalBlue: what if you press ctrl+shift+F?
[15:32] <Unksi> that should toggle fullscreen mode on/off
[15:32] <VitalBlue> I haven't done anything special in my kubuntu. I use the latest edition with the new KDE 4.4
[15:33] <Unksi> ok
[15:33] <VitalBlue> with ctrl+shift+f I can move to other terminals
[15:33] <Unksi> hmm ok
[15:33] <Unksi> with me it puts it fullscreen so that only kate is present.. no taskbar or anything like you described
[15:34] <Unksi> and press it again and it goes back to normal
[15:34] <VitalBlue> and also the KDE seems to work properly only tha the rest of the enviroment is gone
[15:37] <Unksi> what about the full screen mode under settings in the topmenubar?
[15:38] <VitalBlue> there is no menubar when this is happening
[15:39] <VitalBlue> just a black screen with kate window on. I can switch with alt+tab through active windows but only that
[15:39] <Unksi> hmm ok
[15:39] <Unksi> now thats pretty weird
[15:40] <Unksi> what if you launch kate through konsole? any weird messages there?
[15:40] <VitalBlue> i haven't done this yet
[15:40] <Unksi> its worth a try :)
[15:41] <VitalBlue> let me try :)
[15:50] <VitalBlue> how can i execute kate from shell?
[15:51] <VitalBlue> root@xefteris:~# kate
[15:51] <VitalBlue> No protocol specified
[15:51] <VitalBlue> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[15:51] <VitalBlue> sorry about that still learning
[15:52] <Quintasan> VitalBlue: try running it as normal user, no as root
[15:52] <Quintasan> VitalBlue: root has no X session runned so it is normal
[15:54] <daskreech> VitalBlue: Root does not own any X sessions and so can't run an Xclient. What are you trying to accomplish?
[15:54] <daskreech> Starting kate as root?
[15:54] <daskreech> Hi johnzorn
[15:57] <Gemmazz> http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268236660.jpg does my ass look big?
[16:04] <VitalBlue> not as root
[16:04] <VitalBlue> that was just the second try
[16:04] <VitalBlue> because i had the same message when i run it as normal user
[16:06] <colmac> test
[16:06] <shadeslayer> colmac: we hear you ;)
[16:06] <colmac> k, thks
[16:19] <VitalBlue> update, when i run kate from shell and open same file then nothing strange occur
[16:19] <VitalBlue> but when i open kate with right click on same file the rest of KDE is gone
[16:20] <VitalBlue> like now
[16:20] <VitalBlue> strange
[16:20] <daskreech> VitalBlue: RIght click -> Open With ?
[16:21] <VitalBlue> and the other desktop,  i got 2 in total, is complete black
[16:21] <VitalBlue> yeap right click -> open with
[16:21] <adminpc> hi
[16:23] <VitalBlue> time to go thanks anyway i will report back tomorrow if something new will come up
[16:48] <przemo_one> someone registered my nick name lol
[16:58] <avihay> I think I played too much with rmmod (trying to unload and reload my soundcard driver) and now anything played by vlc and mplayer stutters, and when kaffein starts playing, a popup comes up saying that my soundcard is inoperative and that it's falling back to pulseaudio.    help!
[17:00] <przemo_one> log in and log out
[17:00] <przemo_one> well log out then :) ...
[17:04] <tomek___> hi :)
[17:04] <tomek___> kick <vit>
[17:06] <khider> Greetings. When booting this morning I got the spalsh screen for about two seconds then got bounced into a rescue shell. Filesystem check failed. Several reboots yielded the same results.
[17:07] <khider> Time for a re-install?
[17:21] <khider> This is quite distressing, absolutely no help. I suppose I havce to pay canonical to get results. As if.
[17:51] <desu> i can't seem to find the option to change to ayatana notifications instead of the standard notifications after upgrading to 4.4.. can someone point me to it?
[18:10] <dm_> What is the system setting app in kde?
[18:10] <dm_> I cant seem to find anything in the hodge podge of apps in the kmenu
[18:11] <dm_> Anyone?
[18:12] <dm_>  /crickets
[18:13] <arch0njw> dm_: kde4 has "System Settings"
[18:13] <arch0njw> Open the app launcher, ("start menu" ... don't shoot me for saying that), choose "Computer", and "System Settings" is the first item.
[18:14] <dm_> ah ! see, its all smooogled in with gnome apps
[18:14] <dm_> :x
[18:14] <dm_> Thanks much!
[18:17] <apricot> hallo - bin Kubuntu Neuling - Suse wollte nich so richtig. Hab ein Prob mit'KPackageKit'. There are broken dependecies on your system. Please use an advanced package manage e.g. Synaptic or aptitude to resolve this situation.
[18:18] <binarylooks> apricot: run sudo apt-get upgrade from terminal and give us the output
[18:18] <apricot> wenn ich auf der Konsole apt-get upgrade mache, kommt das Lizenfenster von Sun-Java runtime
[18:18] <apricot> Das kann ich nicht wegkriegen. OK anklicken geht auch nicht
[18:19] <binarylooks> apricot: u can't click things ini the terminal use <enter>. (u don't speak english?
[18:19] <binarylooks> !ubuntu-de
[18:19] <apricot> oh sorry :)    how to fix it
[18:19] <binarylooks> apricot: for the moment stay on the terminal, don't use kpackagekit
[18:20] <binarylooks> apricot:
[18:20] <apricot> how to 'accept' the Sun Licenbse
[18:20] <binarylooks> apricot: can u try sudo apt-get upgrade again and confirm the licence?
[18:20] <apricot> its not possible
[18:20] <binarylooks> define "its not possible"
[18:20] <apricot> How to confirm the license ????
[18:20] <binarylooks> apricot: hit enter on the keyboard?
[18:21] <apricot> there is a graphical window in the terminal from Sun
[18:21] <binarylooks> apricot: u can toggle checkboxes using <spacebar>
[18:21] <apricot> no
[18:21] <binarylooks> apricot: use the arrows to navigate
[18:21] <apricot> I tried ALL keys-- no chance
[18:21] <binarylooks> apricot: hit printscreen and post the image on imagebin.ca
[18:21] <apricot> no input possible - thats bulldshit
[18:23] <apricot> has nobody ever seen this during apt-get upgrade ??
[18:23] <binarylooks> apricot: the licence question is normal, but there should be a way to confirm it and continue the installation
[18:23] <apricot> thatswhat I'm asking for !
[18:23] <sissi> haha funny thing here... just joined because i'm bored... is this some special computer language channel network?^^
[18:24] <sissi> i need to activate my java and don't know how
[18:24] <sissi> could someone come to munich and do this for me?
[18:26] <apricot> binarylooks: YEAH found a key  :)   F-12      but it isn't written anywhere fu.. Sun
[18:27] <binarylooks> apricot: there are open solutions, no need to use the sun java
[18:28] <apricot> KDE is very new in Ubuntu.  I had a lot of probs to fix Nvidia with twinview - Could not save the configuration first ...
[18:28] <binarylooks> apricot: thats not related to kde OR ubuntu at all
[18:28] <apricot> k
[18:28] <binarylooks> apricot: kde is not really new in ubutnu, it's there since the beginning (almos)
[18:28] <binarylooks> apricot: I also have nvidia with twinview, its a PITA but once setup, it works
[18:29] <apricot> ok now it works for me too :)
[18:29] <binarylooks> apricot: hehe
[18:29] <apricot> it was very easy.. I only deleted xorg.conf
[18:30] <binarylooks> apricot: thats a ...radical... solutionm but whatever works for you :-)
[18:30] <binarylooks> apricot: i had to manually create one, because nvidia needs an existing xorg.conf to save its stuff to
[18:30] <binarylooks> apricot: deleting it and letting nvidia do its magic never came to my mind. I learned something new today
[18:31] <apricot> I deleted and did sudo nvidia-settings
[18:32] <apricot> well I think the best with Ubuntu is its great community
[18:32] <binarylooks> apricot: you sure are right there. :-)
[18:32] <apricot> now I can try to install my favorite Prog 'synergys' :)
[18:33] <orion_SuN> !lucid
[18:33] <apricot> I like it to work with 2 or 3 computers but 1 keyboard/mouse
[18:33] <binarylooks> apricot: oh yes, I remember playing with that a few years ago. really cool stuff
[18:34] <binarylooks> apricot: you have two monitors and use synergy? how many monitors in total?
[18:34] <apricot> how to get universe an multiverse repos with KPackageKit ?
[18:35] <binarylooks> apricot: go to system settings software
[18:35] <binarylooks> add and remove software actually
[18:35] <binarylooks> go to settings
[18:36] <binarylooks> system settings uses "kpackagekit" as the "software management part"
[18:37] <apricot> yes - I found that and had the probs with 'dependencies'  :)
[18:38] <binarylooks> kpackagekit erally is a very wak link in the kubuntu chain :-(
[18:38] <apricot> I see - software sources / universe/multiverse
[18:38] <binarylooks> s/erally/really
[18:39] <apricot> another prob is audio
[18:40] <apricot> I have sound in amarok and at starttime, but NOT in Firefox / youtube...
[18:40] <binarylooks> apricot: I did not encounter problems personally and think that often the problems are overrated, but thats my opinion
[18:40] <apricot> found a lot of tips to erase pulseaudio ?
[18:40] <binarylooks> apricot: you have multiple soundcards installed?
[18:40] <apricot> no only system
[18:41] <apricot> motherboard
[18:41] <binarylooks> apricot: hmmm, i use rekonq and it works there, but you are right about the firefoy/flash issue. it happens a lot
[18:41] <binarylooks> although there was always "easy" solutions, it shouldn't happen in the first place.
[18:42] <apricot> is it right to erase pulseaudio ?
[18:42] <apricot> and if so, howto ?
[18:42] <binarylooks> apricot: honestly, i cannot anwser that
[18:42] <apricot> k :)
[18:42] <binarylooks> it doesn't interfere in my case, so i keep i installed
[18:43] <apricot> Internet WITHOUT sound is boaring
[18:43] <binarylooks> apricot: so you still have the problem ATM?
[18:43] <apricot> ?
[18:44] <apricot> ATM ?
[18:44] <binarylooks> At The Moment
[18:44] <apricot> :)   yes
[18:45] <binarylooks> apricot: try running alsamixer from your terminal, many problems are solved like that
[18:45] <apricot> k
[18:45] <binarylooks> usually PCM is to zero, and you can increase it with alsamixer
[18:45] <binarylooks> search for something saying PCM and increase it to 100 using the arrow keays
[18:46] <apricot> binarylooks: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[18:46] <binarylooks> some have to run alsamixer like this: alsamixer -Dhw
[18:46] <apricot> alsamixer doesn't work
[18:46] <binarylooks> did you try the -Dhw paramters?
[18:47] <apricot> yes
[18:47] <apricot> alsamixer -Dhw or --Dhw ?
[18:47] <binarylooks> try alsasound first
[18:48] <apricot> alsasound: command not found
[18:48] <binarylooks> apricot: are you using karmic?
[18:49] <apricot> Kubuntu 9.10
[18:49] <binarylooks> alsaconf  (this is my last option)
[18:50] <apricot> with alsamixer --Dhw it says: alsamixer: invalid option -- '-'
[18:50] <binarylooks> its -Dhw, one - too much
[18:50] <binarylooks> I found one guy using this that solved his problem with alsamixer  : chmod 777 /dev/snd/*
[18:50] <apricot> yes I ried: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for hw: No such file or directory
[18:51] <binarylooks> (this gives your normal user permission to access all your sound devices
[18:51] <binarylooks> (with sudo of course)
[18:52] <Menox> no such file or directory: device doesn't exist.  can't change permissions on something that isn't there
[18:52] <apricot> but doesn't work
[18:52] <binarylooks> is ther "user management" in your advanced system settings?
[18:52] <binarylooks> it may be your user is not in the "audio" group
[18:53] <binarylooks> (but this should all work by default, even alsamixer) strange
[18:53] <apricot> yeah
[18:54] <apricot> Usage: alsamixer [-h] [-c <card: 0...7>] [-D <mixer device>] [-g] [-s] [-V <view>] [-a <abst>]
[18:54] <binarylooks> apricot: is your user in the audio group?
[18:54] <apricot> ohh... how to proof ?
[18:54] <binarylooks> select your user and hit modify
[18:55] <apricot> where .. how ?
[18:55] <binarylooks> go to "privileges and Groups" and select audio
[18:55] <binarylooks> in the user management part in system settings
[18:55] <binarylooks> (advanced settings)
[18:55] <apricot> system settings ?
[18:57] <apricot> ok .. found it
[18:57] <binarylooks> (just one question, how did u install flash?, did u use the kubuntu version, or the one from the flash site)
[18:57] <apricot> yes am in group audio
[18:57] <rimad> hey guys, i installed kubuntu 9.10 on my media center but letters on everything are so freakin small
[18:58] <rimad> this is on 50'' tv
[18:58] <rimad> plasma tv using HDMI
[18:58] <apricot> don't know if I instaled flash...
[18:58] <Menox> rimad: change the font size.
[18:58] <binarylooks> rimad: or the dpi
[18:58] <rimad> how? i just installed nvidia driver, it seems to be working...graphic card coioler quieted down
[18:58] <rimad> DPI? how do i change that
[18:58] <rimad> been screwing with this for paste 2 hours :/ complicated stuff
[18:59] <binarylooks> rimad: system settings > appearance > font settings
[18:59] <Menox> ^^ there you go.
[18:59] <apricot> binarylooks: which flash schould I use .... there is none installed
[18:59] <binarylooks> apricot: do you see videos ?
[18:59] <apricot> yes
[19:00] <apricot> video is ok
[19:00] <rimad> 'ok hang on
[19:00] <binarylooks> apricot: then you have flash :-) anyway, look in kpackagekit and search for flash
[19:00] <binarylooks> apricot: flashplugin-nonfree
[19:01] <apricot> there are a lot of packages, none of them is installed
[19:01] <binarylooks> apricot: install flashplugin-nonfree
[19:01] <apricot> oh sorry... flashplugin-installer is installed
[19:02] <binarylooks> apricot: damn
[19:02] <apricot> I do it
[19:02] <binarylooks> apricot: I found this on a frourm: EDIT: Fixed it! I ran apt-get install pulseaudio and then pulseaudio -D and I now have sound working in flash.
[19:03] <apricot> instlled flashplugin-nonfree ... but: no sound
[19:06] <binarylooks> apricot: (reading in the actual bug report: bug 396558 ...
[19:08] <binarylooks> apricot: I jsut realized I don't have pulseaudio installed at all. i am one default lucid installation
[19:08] <apricot> so I may deinstall ALL pulseaudio packages ?
[19:09] <binarylooks> apricot: it worked for some people. no guarantee
[19:09] <binarylooks> apricot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/396558
[19:10] <binarylooks> apricot: its very confusing, so many different problems. As you said initially, a MESS
[19:10] <apricot> but how to deinstall pulseaudio ... here is no entry of INSTALLED packages
[19:10] <apricot> is it in 'hardware' ?
[19:11] <binarylooks> apricot: there is a "pulseaudio" package
[19:11] <binarylooks> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio pulseaudio-*
[19:11] <binarylooks> anayway, for most it was the PCM problem, not pulseaudio
[19:11] <binarylooks> so basically we should get alsamixer to work
[19:11] <apricot> k I try ... but in KPackager are a lot of pilseaudio-entrys ... none of thm is instaled
[19:12] <binarylooks> apricot: I think, that you DO NOT have it installed at the moment maybe?
[19:13] <apricot> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio pulseaudio-*  ... could not find any pulseadio package
[19:13] <binarylooks> apricot: try this :sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[19:13] <apricot> but there IS a pulseaudio in Multimedia
[19:13] <binarylooks> after that I give up (maye somebody else has more experince with this???)
[19:13] <binarylooks> apricot: that doesn't mean its installed :-)
[19:13] <apricot> k ... thanks a lot :)
[19:14] <binarylooks> np, HTML5 is the solution :-)
[19:14] <binarylooks> np = no problem
[19:15] <apricot> bye
[19:51] <chris_____> salut a toute ai a tous je voudrais savoir comment remetre ma barre de tache en bas de mon ecrans merci pour votre aide
[19:53] <Kolia> chris_____: click the toolbox (yellow icon on the extremity of the panel)
[19:53] <Kolia> not patient enough..
[19:55] <faultline> Hola
[19:56] <faultline> Can anyone speak with me about kubuntu- I am absolutely new to this, I am native to Windows from win95 til last night...
[19:56] <faultline> So I am absolutely lost lol
[19:56] <Kolia> :)
[19:56] <Kolia> !ask | faultline
[19:57] <faultline> I can't get rid of the calendar in the middle of the screen, its blocking half og irc
[20:00] <faultline> Ok, so here is a major question- I chose Kubuntu because it is supposed to be newbie friendly and somewhat simple to customize- how can i overhaul my desktop environment to look like beryl?
[20:01] <jussi01> faultline: system settings -> desktop
[20:02] <faultline> Could you give me a few pointer or tips on modding it?
[20:02] <jussi01> faultline: what exactly do you want to do?
[20:03] <jussi01> faultline: beryl was a long time ago and doesnt exist anymore
[20:03] <faultline> I am attempting to mimic beryl.  Like making it a cube that you can spin about, I had seen my brother do this a couple of years ago- but it was arch linux lol
[20:03] <jussi01> but you can still have the cube and other desktop effects
[20:03] <faultline> Is there a way to mimic what id did?
[20:04] <jussi01> faultline: yes there is
[20:04] <faultline> That would be grand, i wanted to stick it to a 3d cubed format
[20:05] <jussi01> system settings -> desktop -> all effects -> window management -> desktop cube.
[20:05] <jussi01> faultline: which graphics card do you have?
[20:06] <faultline> Shhhh....I cant remeber my graphic s card info, but its a new laptop
[20:06] <jussi01> faultline: if you dont mind, its easiesst to tell from a terminal. just open it up and type: lspci
[20:07] <jussi01> or even easier: lspci | grep vga
[20:07] <jussi01> faultline: or just to be the easiiest, you can open system -> hardware drivers and ensure you have the drivers installed
[20:34] <faultline> Ok, had issues, im back now- Its not doing the cube thing, gives me some parameter error...
[20:35] <daskreech> Oh Kwin?
[20:35] <faultline> System Settings => Desktop => All Settings or whatnnot
[20:37] <faultline> Desktop Cube won't load up lol
[20:38] <daskreech> faultline: alt+F3 -> Window Behaviour -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects
[20:38] <SaiNumeri> ok, a bit off topic, but does anyone know if there are any good irc servers around just to go and hang out on? most of the ones iv found are either in another language or are support servers
[20:38] <jonathan_> hello everyone...just wanted to ask the best way to install the Qt Framework and Creator...
[20:39] <daskreech> SaiNumeri: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:40] <SaiNumeri> thank you ser
[20:40] <SaiNumeri> sir*
[20:40] <daskreech> jonathan_: Probably apt-get them
[20:41] <jonathan_> yeah but that only gives me creator 1.2.1
[20:42] <jonathan_> wait i actually dont know what version it will installl... hhow can i find out?
[20:44] <Oxymoron> Explain someone: http://pastebin.ca/1832426
[20:44] <jonathan_> it just  says qtcreator... i thought it was 1.2.1 because thats what kpackagekit said
[20:46] <jonathan_> is this assumtion ok to make?
[20:46] <jonathan_> #qt
[20:46] <seed_> is it ok to ask questions here?
[20:48] <jonathan_> yea
[20:51] <jonathan_> hello???
[20:53] <Menox> echo .. echo .. echo.. ..
[20:54] <arch0njw> !ask | seed
[20:54] <arch0njw> !ask | seed_
[20:54] <Logomachist> I just added kde to Ubuntu 9.10, but when I try to log in with the KDE desktop (after I enter my username and password) the screen more or less freezes (although I can still move the mouse). This happens whether I use kdm or gdm.
[20:56] <Menox> Logomachist: how did you install KDE?
[20:56] <arch0njw> jonathan_: you can simulate the install to see what version it will be:  sudo apt-get install -s <package name>
[20:57] <arch0njw> jonathan_: for example:  sudo apt-get install -s qt-creator.  I see this output:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/392775/
[20:57] <Logomachist> Menox: I tried it once by clicking on a link in the help file, and when tat gave me problems I reinstalled it via the Synaptic Package Manager.
[20:57] <|El_T10|> hi
[20:57] <Logomachist> Hi E
[20:57] <jonathan_> ok so it seems to want to install creator version 1.2.1
[20:58] <jonathan_> how do i get the 1.3 repos and how to i tell apt to use those instead of the kubuntu default ones :(
[20:58] <Menox> Logomachist: what package did you install?
[21:00] <jonathan_> is there an official Qt repo????
[21:01] <Menox> jonathan_: what version are you trying to install?
[21:03] <Logomachist> Menox: I followed these instructions: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[21:03] <jonathan_> the latest stable version with auto update be nice... i think its creator 1.3 Qt 4.6
[21:03] <daskreech> Oxymoron: I take it you have software RAID?
[21:04] <Oxymoron> daskreech: No, simple NTFS drive.
[21:04] <Menox> jonathan_: it won't auto update but the binary download from the Qt web site works just fine
[21:04] <daskreech> Oxymoron: install ntfs-tools (should have them already) and run a check
[21:05] <jonathan_> :( yeah but i want it to update!!!
[21:05] <Oxymoron> daskreech: There is not ntfs-tools?
[21:05] <Menox> Logomachist: so.. you installed kubuntu-desktop?
[21:05] <Logomachist> That sounds about right.
[21:06] <Oxymoron> daskreech: ntfsprogs?
[21:06] <Menox> jonathan_: then add your email address to their email notifications.  KDE relies on certain libraries of Qt so you won't get them from the repo.
[21:06] <daskreech> Oxymoron: Oh right sorry ntfsprogs
[21:06] <Menox> .. I mean certain versions of Qt
[21:07] <Menox> Logomachist: what do you see when KDE starts?
[21:07] <Oxymoron> daskreech: What command to run a check then?
[21:07] <Logomachist> Menox: I never get past the log-in screen.
[21:08] <jonathan_> yeah but i dont wanna develop KDE just applications with Qt...   i just want to install Qt will autoupdate !
[21:09] <daskreech> Oxymoron: I think it's ntfsfix
[21:09] <Menox> jonathan_: I know what you want to do.  But KDE requires certain versions to run.  You don't need to be a KDE developer.  The KDE libs are written with Qt, therefore, require Qt libs.
[21:09] <daskreech> jonathan_: You need a new user and an updating PPA though honestly a git script would be better
[21:09] <Oxymoron> daskreech: Already done that, and it said just that thing I posted with pastebin before xD
[21:10] <Menox> jonathan_: you could use the development version of kubuntu.  Its in development and not stable though.
[21:10] <jonathan_> ok i am also a bit of linux noob
[21:10] <jonathan_> lol
[21:10] <Menox> :S
[21:10] <jonathan_> but yeah it appears that if i install stuff through apt-get it will auto update
[21:10] <Menox> and you might not want it to auto update when you write your software.  It could break your program.
[21:11] <Oxymoron> daskreech: And the awesome me have grub 1.98 ... which doesnt work xD So I have to remove it and fix it. My hwole system just crashes slowly and safe.    You need to link with the versions of libs you plan to deploy to.
[21:12] <daskreech> Oxymoron: i've only had one issue with the parted toolsand that was my error
[21:12] <Logomachist> Menox: Any idea what's wrong w/ my PC?
[21:13] <jonathan_> Qt seems pretty awesome... i am coming from windoze with pascal
[21:13] <Menox> Logomachist: You can't get past the login screen?  It doesn't accept your username and password?  I don't understand the problem...
[21:13] <Oxymoron> daskreech: Its really annoying. Kparted freezed while resize a NTFS partition. I think I stay tuned with Paragon Partition Magic on WIndows instead, thousand times faster, stable and reliable.
[21:13] <Menox> jonathan_: it is.  but trust me, you don't want it auto updating for development.
[21:13] <jonathan_> ok so just go for the binaries from the site?
[21:14] <Oxymoron> daskreech: I think thats the error, when tried to resize and then it quitted ... The program hanged and I sadly had to terminate process :'(
[21:14] <jonathan_> hung
[21:14] <Oxymoron> daskreech: Its my most precious partition as well ... where all my life work is xD
[21:14] <Logomachist> Menox: It accepts my username and password and starts the processing animation, which then freezes. The mouse cursor still moves, but the log-in animation ceases.
[21:14] <Menox> thats what I do.  If you need to compile against a newer version of Qt you might need to change your code.
[21:14] <jonathan_> ok ok
[21:14] <Menox> which is why auto updating doesn't work for me
[21:15] <Menox> I deploy to different distros with different versions of Qt installed.
[21:15] <jonathan_> so i also got that book...
[21:15] <jonathan_> is it a good place to start?
[21:16] <jonathan_> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/books/cpp-gui-programming-with-qt-4-2nd-edition
[21:17] <jonathan_> or are there online tutorials to help me get up to speed?
[21:17] <Menox> Logomachist: you might want to check with the KDE folks.
[21:17] <Logomachist> I'll give it a try.
[21:17] <Menox> jonathan_: well if you know C++ Qt should be easy
[21:17] <jonathan_> havent done c/c++ since uni
[21:18] <Menox> jonathan_: You can get almost everything you need from the docs that come with qt
[21:18] <jonathan_> kk
[21:18] <jonathan_> HTML labels is awesome
[21:18] <jonathan_> i wish delphi had those things
[21:18] <Menox> jonathan_: but remember its just a toolkit, not a language.  It has wrappers for other languages but primarily aimed at c++ development.
[21:19] <jonathan_> yeah,
[21:20] <jonathan_> i look forward to futhering my skills !
[21:20] <jonathan_> and thanks for  the advice man
[21:20] <Menox> no problem, join #qt if you need help
[21:21] <jonathan_> i am already there! but they seem to have less time for noobs
[21:21] <jonathan_> lol
[21:22] <Menox> jonathan_: yeah, you're expected to read the docs first and try to learn it for yourself.
[21:23] <Menox> jonathan_: but if you have a specific problem you can get help there.  Nobody will teach you C++ there or develop your app for you.
[21:23] <jonathan_> lol but i was just trying to get it installed... im new to linux aswell as Qt... i wanted to get everything perfect before i started
[21:23] <Oxymoron> Awesome ... could someone tell me how to "re-activate" WIndows 7 in grub? When I try to load grub doesnt start win7
[21:25] <jonathan_> i have one more question... someone mentioned the Qt mailing list...
[21:25] <Menox> jonathan_: yeah, they won't help you with linux either.
[21:25] <jonathan_> lol
[21:25] <Menox> just qt specific things
[21:25] <jonathan_> kk
[21:26] <hunt> Oxymoron: what do you mean with re-activate, grub doesnt show  a windows 7 entry?
[21:26] <jonathan_> so whats this mailing list then
[21:26] <jonathan_> and where do i sign up!?
[21:27] <skreech_> !win7
[21:28] <skreech_> Hmm There was a Windows 7 thing
[21:28] <Oxymoron> hunt: It show entry, but it doesnt boot it if I select it. I just got the text GRUB _ on the upper left corner :S
[21:28] <Oxymoron> This is just like perfect, every single solution I am trying to do to solve the actual ******************* problem doesnt work xD
[21:29] <hunt> Oxymoron: could you paste the win7 entry of your grub.cfg to a pastebin?
[21:29] <Oxymoron> I shall boot into WIndows to correct a partition, so I can later on go back and fix the actual thing xD
[21:29] <jonathan_> never worry
[21:29] <jonathan_> i found it....
[21:29] <Oxymoron> hunt: Yes, hol on a sec
[21:29] <jonathan_> cheers again man!!!!
[21:31] <Menox> jonathan_: good luck with Qt.  I love it.
[21:31] <jonathan_> it seems to be the business, thanks again... ima go watch gordon ramset
[21:31] <jonathan_> !
[21:33] <Oxymoron> hunt: Sorry, took awhile because Kate couldnt open it as someone try to be smart and make in uneditable ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/392795/
[21:34] <Oxymoron> hunt: One more thing, grub-mkconfig add the menuentries in wrong order of kernel versions xD
[21:36] <Oxymoron> One more thing, is this correct version if I have 1.97~beta4 (Experimental sounds really cheesy and unreliable):
[21:36] <Oxymoron> oxymoron@oxymoron-desktop:~$ sudo grub-install -v
[21:36] <Oxymoron> grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.97+experimental)
[21:38] <hunt> Oxymoron: do you use karmic?
[21:38] <Oxymoron> hunt: Yes
[21:38] <Oxymoron> hunt: Seriously, Lucid alpha3 is more stable then Karmic.
[21:39] <Oxymoron> Sure, I use backports ... but that should be kind of stable anyway.
[21:39] <hunt> Oxymoron: ubuntu karmic is definetily more stable than lucid, might be different in kubuntu
[21:40] <Oxymoron> hunt: Well, I dont use Ubuntu I want a stable Kubuntu please. Last days my system just fails and when I try to fix something else broke after repository update from STABLE releases, seriously it sucks!
[21:40] <abhifx> hi! i was installing nvidia drivers and now the xserver does not work.. can someone help me?
[21:41] <Oxymoron> Only thing I want is a stable system that look nice and NEVER EVER struggle everything should just work flawless 365 days of year 24/7
[21:43] <hunt> Oxymoron: is there a reason you use kubuntu and not ubuntu?
[21:44] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, backports is _NOT_ stable
[21:45] <Oxymoron> hunt: KDE 4?
[21:45] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, and noone ever said it would be
[21:45] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Why even promote backports if theyre not stable?
[21:45] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, if you just have to have the newest version then often backports is the safest way
[21:45] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: On kde.org you go out official and says oh now KDE 4.4.1 is out.
[21:46] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: I update as long as it doesnt work and hope for a fix.
[21:46] <Oxymoron> hunt: In other words, Ubuntu is ugly ...
[21:46] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, the newest releases are never really stable in th grand scheme
[21:46] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, if you want a rock solid system use debian stable - thats what i use on my servers
[21:47] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, but then you'll have firefox 1.x and kde 3.5
[21:47] <hunt> Oxymoron: yeah I know kde4 just looks awesome, isnt really stable though
[21:47] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: But alpha releases of next release always is more stable then the one that should be stable even if you use backports or not. Programmers shouldnt brake anything, they can brake their own systems while programmring, but when you release it in repositorys everything should just work even dependecys.
[21:48] <hunt> Oxymoron: try replacing set root=(hd0,1) with 'set root=(hd0,1)'
[21:48] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Well, I am soft for eyecandy and GUIs
[21:48] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, as long as you use standard repos and just do an update and not use ppa's and backportss and random foo stable is stable
[21:48] <Oxymoron> hunt: Kubuntu togehter with KDE 4.4.1 isnt stable, KDE 4.4.1 itself is stable. But KDe 4.5 will rock.
[21:49] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, and alpha is _by definition_ not stable
[21:49] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: I mostly use standard repos ;) And yes, thats EXACTLY what I mean, how can alpha be more stable than the stable version? lol :D
[21:50] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, it isnt
[21:50] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Its sure is, I have tested it and it works more flawless than Karmic.
[21:50] <hunt> Oxymoron: well, it doesnt look better elsewhere, I use opensuse with kde 4.4 and it is really messed up, I'm going to install kubuntu lucid instead
[21:50] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, thats probably because karmic still uses 4.3 which in itself has issues
[21:51] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, you are bound to see more.. severe ... problems on lucid
[21:51] <hunt> Oxymoron: now try it with 'set root=(hd0,1)' please
[21:51] <hunt> Oxymoron: actually not
[21:51] <hunt> wait
[21:52] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Only problem I got mostly was the installer on livecd of lucid ....
[21:52] <Oxymoron> hunt: Not?
[21:52] <Oxymoron> hunt: I already changed just waiting for next "order" sort of speak.
[21:52] <hunt> Oxymoron: should be set root='(hd0,1)' not 'set root=(hd0,1)'
[21:52] <hunt> Oxymoron: sorry about that
[21:52] <Oxymoron> Ah as I thought but wasnt sure, why should that change it?
[21:53] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, can you (or have you already) posted the output of fdisk -l or geometry from within grub?
[21:53] <hunt> Oxymoron: it might, try booting win7 please (your win7 is really on sda1 isnt it?)
[21:59] <hunt> Oxymoron: still there?
[22:00] <Oxymoron> hunt: Yeah sorry, I just typed on MSN to my girlfriend.
[22:00] <hunt> Oxymoron: curse you
[22:00] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: How do you mean from within grub?
[22:00] <Oxymoron> hunt: And yes its on /dev/sda1
[22:00] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, running sudo grub drops you into some sort of shell
[22:01] <devilsadvocate> the same one you get if you interrupt grub
[22:01] <devilsadvocate> geometry(hd0) is a command that lists what partitions are there and such
[22:01] <devilsadvocate> its not very useful unless you know exactly what you are looking for, though
[22:01] <Oxymoron> hunt: One more thing, Kernel list goes wrong order in grub like: *.9, *.8 *.7 ........  *.2, *.20, *.19 and so on.
[22:02] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: sudo grub is deprecated for grub2
[22:02] <devilsadvocate> oic
[22:02] <hunt> Oxymoron: how is that the wrong order, it should start with the newest kernel, shouldnt it?
[22:03] <devilsadvocate> thats sad
[22:03] <Oxymoron> hunt: Isnt 20 > 9? :P
[22:03] <hunt> Oxymoron: :D oh yeah
[22:03] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Yes, its annoying because you can do nice htings in grub temrinal :P
[22:04] <Oxymoron> hunt: Well I got 2.6.31-9 before 2.6.31-20, which mean I have to scroll to latest entry of kernel xD
[22:04] <Oxymoron> hunt: I must say, crappy programmer that cannot sort with a proper sorting algoritm by numbers ...
[22:05]  * Oxymoron feels evil today, he must put his angry on everything :D
[22:06] <hunt> Oxymoron: yes I see, well you can solve that easily by editing your grub.cfg if you feel like it...
[22:06] <Menox> Oxymoron: hey now, sorting that wouldn't be easy.  Its a mixture of numbers and letters.  Not easy in code if you don't know what format it will be in.
[22:06] <hunt> Oxymoron: but first please try to boot in win7
[22:06] <Oxymoron> hunt: But it breaks up everytime I run update-grub?  Well, anyway a multisorting algoritm isnt hard and the format for kernel versions is consistent.
[22:08] <Menox> Oxymoron: it is consistent for Ubuntu.  Not other distros.
[22:09] <Oxymoron> hunt: Only the one tiny thing grub-gfxmenu isnt enabled annoys me. Really, I want the whole process go beautiful, not only desktop ... Like login/KDM is ugly as ******
[22:09] <Oxymoron> Menox: I dont know who has code it, but it worked before thats for sure.
[22:10] <hunt> Oxymoron: yes, I understand, in OpenSUSE I am for some reason unable to theme KDM so it uses default theme which looks like...
[22:10] <Menox> Oxymoron: yes, but it has been rewritten.
[22:13] <Menox> I just think its very rude and immature to insult programmers who write this software that they give away for free.
[22:14] <Menox> If you don't like grub, write your own bootloader.  You don't have to use it.  I'd like to see you take that task on.
[22:16] <hunt> Oxymoron: but before you write your own bootloader, please try it now
[22:16] <Menox> hunt: LMFAO.    This is free content they give away.
[22:19] <Oxymoron> Menox: If I didnt enjoy doing other things in life than programming I would gladly program my own freaking operating system thats bttter than Mac, WIndows and Linux togehter.
[22:19] <Menox> There's no need to insult them if you don't like it.  I've put stuff on there...
[22:19] <Oxymoron> Menox: Insult and insult, I just shout out my opinion.
[22:20] <Oxymoron> Menox: Why should free stuff be ugly?
[22:20] <ahmed_> Hello,I have just downloaded KDE by teriminal and after the restart i am having Gnome desktop how can i set KDE as my default desktop cause while installing i didnt select KDE as my default
[22:20] <Menox> Well there are users on here that have given away content they create.  You are insulting them.
[22:20] <ahmed_> Any help :)
[22:20] <Vroomfondle> ahmed_: you should be able to select KDE when you log in (you have to click a button to see a menu)
[22:20] <Oxymoron> If people do things for free, it has to bee GOOOOOD or else its uneeded and nobody wants it and useless.
[22:20] <Menox> Oxymoron: Thats just your opinion.  I've found quite a few really good downloads on there.
[22:21] <Menox> Oxymoron: well you seem to want grub don't you?
[22:21] <Oxymoron> If *buntu wasnt good nobody would use it, they would go to another distro like opensuse
[22:21] <Menox> or any bootloader?
[22:21] <ahmed_> I know that but i cant see it i mean it doesnt requires PASSWORD to log me in after installing i mean login automatically
[22:21] <Menox> well guess what bootloader opensuse uses
[22:21] <Oxymoron> Menox: Well, I would gladly skip grub if GNU/Linux wasnt require a bootloader xD
[22:22] <Vroomfondle> ahmed_: ah.  I just think Open Source world could provide more eyecandy and stableness to the people. If programmers want people to use their stuff it has to be good. And dthe reason they usually do it IS just the thing that people should use it ...
[22:23] <Menox> ahmed_: log out of gnome, and set kde as your default.  Should fix the problem.
[22:23] <ahmed_> while installing KDE i have selected GNOME as default desktop manager or something
[22:23] <Menox> ahmed_: don't do a reboot.
[22:23] <ahmed_> Oh thanks matelemme try this :) BRB
[22:23] <Vroomfondle> ahmed_: aha. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession
[22:23] <Menox> ahmed_: just log out and log back in after you select KDE
[22:24] <hunt> Oxymoron: thats really a stupid thing do say, if open source really is as bad as you say, why do you use it then?
[22:24] <Vroomfondle> Menox: I suspect he won't get the option to make it the default if he's being logged in automatically
[22:24] <Oxymoron> hunt: I will not reboot yet, seriously I am in an important conversation with Menox ... well not neccessarly but with my girl actually and its important to be there for her.
[22:24] <Menox> Vroomfondle: it will give him the option to set as default after he changes it and logs in.
[22:25] <hunt> Oxymoron: thats allright
[22:25] <Vroomfondle> Menox: How will he change it, though, without using the login manager?
[22:25] <Oxymoron> hunt: I use the thing thats best on the market for me perosnally and unfortunatly its Kubuntu ... Its like democracy, its the most less bad .... like Churchill said.
[22:25] <Menox> Vroomfondle: when he does a log out from gnome it will show the login manager.
[22:25] <Vroomfondle> Oh. Good point.
[22:25] <ahmed_> Same but oh yeah i did saw the login screen but Gnome's
[22:26] <ahmed_> :)
[22:26] <Vroomfondle> the gnome login screen will allow you to select KDE
[22:26] <Vroomfondle> from the session menu
[22:26] <Menox> ahmed_: did you select KDE to login?
[22:26] <ahmed_> No i HAVENT even saw that login page yet but appears while booting for a few seconds then Gnomes
[22:26] <Menox> Oxymoron: well I bet all of the opensource guys would love to get some encouragement from you
[22:27] <ahmed_> switchdesktop KDE works ?
[22:28] <hunt> Oxymoron: honestly, if you feel something is not stable enoug, report bugs, that usually help
[22:28] <hunt> s
[22:28] <Menox> Oxymoron: Or fix it yourself since you are so smart.
[22:29] <Menox> Oxymoron: oh, and take a look at ntldr and tell me grub isn't light years beyond that.  And grub is given away for free...
[22:30] <ahmed_> Hello ?
[22:31] <Menox> ahmed_: ?
[22:31] <ahmed_> Yeah
[22:31] <ahmed_> I mean
[22:32] <ahmed_> How do i set KDE as my default login page when i don't even see it while its INSTALLED
[22:32] <ahmed_> ?
[22:32] <hunt> ahmed_ cant you choose in gdm/kdm which one to boot?
[22:32] <Menox> ahmed_: log out of gnome.  When the login screen appears select KDE from the session list.  Log in.  It asks you if you want to set as default.
[22:33] <ahmed_> No :) thats why
[22:33] <ahmed_> Yeah thats what i cant see cause while installing KDE i set Gnome as DEFAULT
[22:33] <Menox> are you trying to change the login manager?
[22:33] <ahmed_> Thats why !
[22:33] <ahmed_> Yeah Menox
[22:33] <ahmed_> Exactly
[22:33] <hunt> ahmed_: ah, so you have autologin?
[22:33] <ahmed_> HUNT YOU GOT ME MAN
[22:33] <ahmed_> YEAH!
[22:34] <Oxymoron> Menox: KDE 4 is the new generation that finally goes to the right direction but teaming up and design isnt GNU/Linux developers strongest side I must say, or Open SOurce overall. People just throw scripts, apps and everything around themselves to often and doesnt provide stable and nice releases. Actually it could be perfect from the beginning if you programmring it well and actually test it yourself before other usees it. Then I
[22:34] <Oxymoron> understand compelxity of different graphic card renders, moderboards, processors and so on do adept drivers for, but thats not Open SOurce people fault.
[22:34] <hunt> ahmed_: do you want to use gdm or kdm?
[22:34] <Oxymoron> hunt: It feels like *buntu never gonna be stable, so I would report bugs all the time and I have better things to do on my spare time than report bugs.
[22:34] <ahmed_> KDE login page to choose from
[22:35] <ahmed_> I need both DEPENDS :)
[22:35] <hunt> Oxymoron: thats hyperthetical, maybe it would become stable if you would report bugs, if its not stable enough for you, use a LTS or debian
[22:35] <Oxymoron> Menox: And yeah maybe I fix it myself one day ... I dont know what ntldr is ... and just because grub is better doesnt mean grub itself is good ...
[22:35] <hunt> ahmed_: you can login to gnome and kde with both display managers
[22:36] <ahmed_> How ?
[22:36] <Oxymoron> hunt: It shouldnt have bugs from the beginning?
[22:36] <ahmed_> When its on Auto login and doesnt even need my password no more
[22:36] <hunt> ahmed_: ok lets start with disabling autologin, are you in gnome?
[22:36] <ahmed_> NO NO
[22:36] <Oxymoron> hunt: Noone should need to report bugs, only alpha and beta-testers.
[22:36] <ahmed_> Yeah on Gnome
[22:36] <ahmed_> What i meant was
[22:36] <Menox> Oxymoron: ntldr is Windows' bootloader.  Quit complaining until you can do better yourself.
[22:36] <Oxymoron> hunt: Or mostly developers overall.
[22:36] <hunt> Oxymoron: every software has bugs today, if you find one, report it
[22:36] <ahmed_> When you install KDE by terminal , i SET Gnome as DEFAULT
[22:36] <ahmed_> !
[22:36] <devilsadvocate> ahmed_, at what point do you want to be given the choice of kde/gnome?
[22:36] <ahmed_> KDE KDE KDE
[22:37] <hunt> ahmed_: I know what you are talking about
[22:37] <ahmed_> Yeah then how can i set it back ?
[22:37] <hunt> ahmed_: you choose gdm, which logs you in to gnome, but you want kde right?
[22:37] <ahmed_> Yes this is why , Yeah i need KDE
[22:37] <Menox> either one can log you in to gnome or kde
[22:37] <ahmed_> :)
[22:38] <Menox> changing the login manager seems like a secondary task
[22:38] <hunt> ahmed_: go to system -> administration -> login screen
[22:38] <Oxymoron> Menox: I can complain if I want to do it xD And I know I can better I just dont want to spend my time on programmring system software. I prefer design engineering, chat with my girl, programming my own web framework and so on.
[22:38] <ahmed_> No only Gnome i mean i just installed it and installed KDE
[22:38] <ahmed_> Yeah now
[22:38] <ahmed_> OHHHHHHHHHHHH
[22:38] <Oxymoron> hunt: Some bugs are less important than others. But critical bugs shouldnt exist IMO.
[22:38] <ahmed_> Here that is
[22:38] <hunt> ahmed_: uncheck autologin
[22:38] <ahmed_> :)
[22:38] <FloodBotK2> ahmed_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:38] <ahmed_> Yeah i did
[22:38] <ahmed_> Lemme set as choosing who will log in ? this
[22:38] <ahmed_> ?
[22:39] <hunt> ahmed_: yes
[22:39] <Menox> Oxymoron: Well everyone is working on this for free so give them credit for the work they have done instead of trash talking them without anything to back it up.  If you can do so much better then so me.
[22:39] <Menox> *show
[22:39] <ahmed_> It was set to Automatically
[22:39] <ahmed_> Okay BRB hunt
[22:40] <Menox> Oxymoron: its like spitting in the face of someone who give you a gift.  Your actions show your ignorance.
[22:41] <ahmed_> BAck
[22:41] <ahmed_> AT least that autologin is off !
[22:42] <hunt> ahmed_: it didnt work?
[22:42] <ahmed_> No i couldnt see the KDE login screen
[22:42] <ahmed_> No
[22:42] <hunt> ahmed_: you dont need to see the KDE login screen, just choose from the menu which session to boot
[22:42] <hunt> ahmed_: you can choose to boot into kde with the gnome login screen
[22:42] <hunt> ahmed_: do you use karmic?
[22:43] <ahmed_> Also on Gnomes  screen ?
[22:43] <ahmed_> Yeah Karmic 9.10
[22:43] <hunt> ahmed_: yes that does work, thats part of their functionality
[22:43] <ahmed_> YOu mean the same way i used to select on KDE login page ?
[22:43] <faultline> Hi guys
[22:43] <ahmed_> Ohh
[22:43] <ahmed_> I see
[22:44] <ahmed_> Where's that on Gnome while login? i mean i do know about KDE where really on Gnome ? so i can select and switch as default
[22:44] <hunt> ahmed_: ok, I want you to log out again now, and this time look at the bottom of the screen for something where it says gnome, a dropdown menu, click it and choose kde, should be good
[22:44] <faultline> Can anyone help me find out why I can't manage to make the cube desktop load?
[22:44] <ahmed_> Yeah just a second hunt BRB
[22:45] <hunt> faultline: go ahead
[22:45] <faultline> Said something about X something or another wasnt right...
[22:45] <wizkoder> faultline: other effects are working?
[22:45] <Oxymoron> Menox: I dont need to backup things, the only thing that matters in this case is what I think is "wrong". And dont misunderstand me, I have been givning away credit for good things like Cairo Dock, Amarok and KDE 4. Its just everything around with everything that mess the whole thing up.
[22:45] <faultline> Won't load anything i try- can anyone walk me through a step by step?  And no other effects are working either.
[22:46] <wizkoder> faultline: you have a 3d graphics card?
[22:46] <hunt> faultline: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[22:46] <wizkoder> lol
[22:46] <Oxymoron> Menox: And I dont want any gift from someone if its ugly, its inrespectibel and then I spit on them back :D *kidding btw* But you understand my point I guess :P
[22:46] <faultline> How do I check the graphics card information?  I am utterly new to linux this is my first distro
[22:46] <hunt> faultline: how old is your computer?
[22:47] <faultline> Like....6 months to a year ish?  Came with Windows 7 Hoem Premium 64-bit
[22:47] <Oxymoron> Menox: If the gift is ugly, its better not giving it to me at the first place ;) Thats the same with *buntu or anything actually even if its commercial or OpenSOurce.
[22:47] <hunt> faultline: ok it should work then
[22:47] <faultline> Can you give me a step by step?  I hate to sound dumb, but Im a windows native- and well, this isnt windows :P
[22:47] <Oxymoron> Unfortunetly most corporate companys like Microsoft and Google use their power of money to force people use their products ...
[22:48] <wizkoder> faultline: try lsusb in the commandline first
[22:48] <hunt> faultline: I know how you feel, dont be scared, it usually isnt that hard
[22:48] <faultline> no sudo or anyhting?
[22:48] <wizkoder> no
[22:48] <faultline> Ok I did it
[22:48] <faultline> What now?
[22:49] <hunt> faultline: post it to a pastebin, i.e. http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:50] <Oxymoron> Btw, why doesnt Wine software work? :/ Spotify worked splendid before?
[22:50] <faultline> http://paste.ubuntu.com/392841/
[22:50] <Menox> Oxymoron: If you don't like linux you don't have to use it.  But don't expect help with it when you insult its developers.
[22:51] <faultline> Is that what your looking for, hunt?
[22:51] <hunt> faultline: you should have tried lspci | grep Graphics insteag
[22:51] <faultline> How do I config that/
[22:52] <Menox> Oxymoron: if you want it to progress file bug reports and help the developers that work for FREE fix the problems you're having instead of insulting them and telling them that they shouldn't waste their time working on it in the first place.
[22:52] <hunt> faultline: you can do the | by pressing alt gr and < at the same time
[22:53] <Oxymoron> Menox: See it this way, I dont like MAc OS, Windows and Linux is left but I dont like it completly either but its better than the other two ;) And a computer I need to web develop and do school work and well in this digital society overall :P
[22:53] <faultline> http://paste.ubuntu.com/392843/
[22:53] <faultline> thats what it tells me
[22:53] <hunt> faultline: you forgot the Graphics at the end
[22:53] <wizkoder> type the whole command
[22:53] <hunt> faultline: with a capital G
[22:54] <Oxymoron> Menox: I think the time should be focused on NOT fix bugs, rather do better stuff that works out of the box. I would like more hybrid systems like Phonon in KDE.
[22:54] <faultline> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
[22:55] <Menox> Oxymoron: You don't think they try to make it work out of the box?  They don't just throw untested code in there.
[22:55] <hunt> Oxymoron: thats a good idea, I dont think the developers ever thought of that, tell them
[22:55] <Oxymoron> Menox: In the end they come up with things that doesnt work even if its tested? :D
[22:56] <Menox> Oxymoron: I do like the hybrid systems but they all have their implementations of specific libraries
[22:56] <Oxymoron> hunt: WHich of it?
[22:56] <hunt> faultline: did you try to enable the proprietary driver?
[22:56] <hunt> Oxymoron: the work out of the box part
[22:57] <Oxymoron> hunt: lol
[22:57] <Menox> Oxymoron: In the end they come up with a free system that works to meet a deadline.
[22:57] <hunt> faultline: search kickoff for jockey, that should bring you there
[22:57] <Menox> Oxymoron: not all functions can be added by that deadline
[22:57] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, do you know what phonon is?
[22:57] <faultline> Searching for drivers, right?
[22:58] <Oxymoron> Menox: Why have a deadline that doesnt fit in to a stable release? It feels like they pump out a new update just because they must do it.
[22:58] <hunt> faultline: just type jockey
[22:58] <ahmed_> BACKKKKKKKK
[22:58] <ahmed_> HUT
[22:58] <ahmed_> Thanks bro
[22:58] <ahmed_> :)
[22:58] <FloodBotK2> ahmed_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:58] <hunt> ahmed_: youre welcome :D
[22:58] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Yes, some kind of audio/video wrapper/hybrid?
[22:58] <ahmed_> It does works now but i have Gnome's default screen to login from :)
[22:58] <Menox> Oxymoron: they do pump out a new update because they must do it.  They try to have the newest stable software on that release.
[22:59] <ahmed_> I alllways gets help here (lucky me)  and oh yeah i wanna ask ya that
[22:59] <Menox> Oxymoron: and each program has developers that work on different deadlines
[22:59] <ahmed_> Those updates are appearing should i download it ?
[22:59] <ahmed_> all ?
[22:59] <hunt> ahmed_: why not
[22:59] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, its an abstraction layer to make application writing easy. thats all.
[22:59] <ahmed_> Okay and
[22:59] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, without the very same drivers, phonon is useless
[22:59] <Oxymoron> Menox: Why not dynamic deadlines instead? I would rather get a much stable release than a enough stable release.
[23:00] <ahmed_> How can i set so i can have all the updates
[23:00] <Menox> Oxymoron: sure, it would be nice in a perfect world to have all developers on the same cycle and have unlimited resources to devote to projects
[23:00] <ahmed_> ONly those by software sources
[23:00] <ahmed_> and
[23:00] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: The idea is the same and that was my point.
[23:00] <ahmed_> Synaptic
[23:00] <devilsadvocate> ...
[23:00] <Menox> Oxymoron: Nothing gets released with a dynamic deadline
[23:01] <Menox> devilsadvocate: its a magic library that can talk to all sound and video devices.  Its self containing.
[23:01] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, every api layer you add is a potential moving target
[23:01] <Oxymoron> Menox: Restructure the Open SOurce world I would say and present stuff that doesnt have to be there just because it should and instead because they want.
[23:01] <Menox> Oxymoron: in phonon there is a specific implementation for every back end.
[23:01] <ahmed_> Should i download updates only by Update manager ? those shown ?
[23:02] <hunt> Ahmed_: I dont know what you mean
[23:02] <Menox> Oxymoron: there is structure to most of the open source world.  restructuring would yield the same result.
[23:03] <Ahmed_> I mean do i have to install those 180 MB updates by Update manager ?
[23:03] <Ahmed_> That's all ?
[23:03] <Ahmed_> It s my third day by the way :)
[23:03] <Oxymoron> Menox: Sure about that?
[23:03] <Menox> Oxymoron: *buntu has structure, KDE and Gnome have structure.
[23:03] <Oxymoron> Menox: Define structure, I dont think we mean the same thing.
[23:04] <hunt> Ahmed_: updates usually make youre system more stable and/or secure, so it is always a good idea to update
[23:04] <devilsadvocate> Menox, not exactly.. phonon backends talk to the native controllers
[23:04] <hunt> Ahmed_: do you like it so far?
[23:04] <Ahmed_> Yeah
[23:04] <Ahmed_> You are right :)
[23:04] <Menox> Oxymoron: yes, I'm very sure.  There are set release dates.  Each project will set their release date usually to coincide with an upgrade of a library that ads functionality
[23:04] <Ahmed_> Okay hunt i'm gonna go now i will leave this to update and i will sleep i mean i'm awake from almost 24 hours now :)
[23:04] <devilsadvocate> Ahmed_, is this the first time you are updating after the install?
[23:05] <Ahmed_> Yeah first time after a new installing
[23:05] <Oxymoron> Menox: Then explain to me why release date for *buntu always is arpil and october?
[23:05] <Menox> devilsadvocate: yeah, I know.  It was a joke.  Phonon is a layer that loads a backend to talk to the controllers.
[23:05] <hunt> Ahmed_: good night then :D
[23:05] <Ahmed_> Anyways see you tomorrow :) take care man
[23:05] <Ahmed_> Plus
[23:06] <Menox> Oxymoron: Because they're bi-yearly releases.  Pretty reliable release dates.
[23:06] <Ahmed_> THANKS A LOT i was wondering where that KDE is gone now @_@
[23:06] <Ahmed_> See you
[23:06] <Ahmed_> Thanks again !
[23:06] <Menox> Oxymoron: if there wasn't structure you would have dynamic release dates, or as I like to call them, moving targets.
[23:07] <Oxymoron> Menox: Why dont define deadlines after the last one and decide what to do from there and not adept the features and process after the next already defined deadline?
[23:07] <Menox> Oxymoron: developers will try to implement the most critical functionality of the program and work their way down to the not so necessary functionality and get the most done until the release date.
[23:08] <Menox> Oxymoron: It all comes down to new hardware.  Software changes to take advantage of the hardware.
[23:09] <Menox> Oxymoron: If hardware never changed we would have extremely stable systems.. as long as the hardware was stable
[23:09] <Menox> Oxymoron: because developers could spend their time NOT adding new functionality and instead be maintenance programmers.
[23:09] <Oxymoron> Menox: The funny thing is that hadware goes faster than software development ....
[23:10] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, thats because its much more straightforward there
[23:10] <Menox> Oxymoron: Well yeah, they get paid to push out new hardware and have a lot of resources to do it.
[23:10] <Menox> and yes, its much more straightforward.
[23:10] <Oxymoron> In a perfect utopic world it would be nice doing the system whaetevr system is perfect from the beginning so it doesnt need more features or funcinality.
[23:11] <[-Haza-]> Hey folks! im looking to download / install some new dahsboard widgets.  With ratings ect?
[23:11] <Menox> Oxymoron: and we'd still be without a GUI to do our work.
[23:11] <Oxymoron> NEvertheless hardware market still produces faster and I dont know why actually even if they have more resources. Software could go much faster I think.
[23:12] <Menox> Oxymoron: it can go as fast as money!
[23:12] <Oxymoron> Menox: Perfect system from the beggining means it has everything as it is going to be and need in the future ...
[23:12] <Menox> Oxymoron: faster development = more programmers = more money.
[23:12] <Oxymoron> Open SOurce ...
[23:13] <Oxymoron> Why does everything circulate around money ... its all human mankind wants, the glory and power of money ... lol.
[23:13] <Menox> Oxymoron: to do that we would need to see into the future.  I don't see that happening any time soon.  Plus, you're describing a project with no end.
[23:14] <Oxymoron> Menox: I describe a project that know their users well. Apple often is good on that even if the company itself is evil on the inside ...
[23:15] <Menox> Oxymoron: because society revolves around it.  Its used for services and goods.  Open Source developers do it for free and should be thanked for it, not insulted.
[23:15] <Menox> Oxymoron: but they do releases quite often also
[23:16] <Menox> Oxymoron: You describe a project that knows their users well, which is a very very broad scope.  Because of that development would never end.  Developers would constantly be coding for the next generation of users with no releases.
[23:16] <Menox> let me rephrase that.  Its an infinite scope.
[23:17] <Oxymoron> Menox: I know how things works, thats the reason I question it ...  Many times I got that from Apples iPod first time, iPod Mini. Already from the beginning with the package I got overwelmed and the inside as well.
[23:18] <Menox> Maybe you should rephrase your discontent so it actually helps the project.
[23:19] <Oxymoron> Menox: And NO I am not a Apple fanboy, but iPod is good.
[23:19] <Menox> Oxymoron: I agree.  IPod is good.  But it will eventually have a new OS and new hardware.
[23:19] <Menox> Oxymoron: just like computers.  which means regular releases of software
[23:20] <Oxymoron> Menox: I dont see any suitable reason for me to help the project because it doesnt satisfy my interests itself.
[23:20] <Oxymoron> Menox: Yeah, Apples own A4 chip/CPU.
[23:20] <Menox> Oxymoron: so you're not interested in booting your linux OS?
[23:20] <Menox> Oxymoron: or even having a free os?
[23:21] <Menox> Oxymoron: or even a paid OS.  They have just as many problems usually.
[23:21] <Oxymoron> Menox: I mean I dont see any fun by sitting all day long and programmring software because I have other hobbies/interests (Sorry my english.)
[23:21] <Menox> Oxymoron: right, but some peoples' hobbies are programming.
[23:22] <Menox> Oxymoron: you're english is really good actually.
[23:22] <Oxymoron> Menox: Well, in my case mine is web programmring ...
[23:22] <Menox> Oxymoron: so if you wrote a website and gave everyone access to it and its source code, then have someone turn around and insult you for it
[23:23] <Menox> would you be inclined to help that person?
[23:23] <Menox> or would you point them to the door?
[23:23] <nonameNN> hello, i have installed xscreensaver kscreensavers -extra, etc etc etc but cant see all the screensavers like i do in gnome! any clues??
[23:23] <Oxymoron> Menox: Thanks, seriously, personal I dont like my english its not as well structured as my swedish are.
[23:23] <Menox> Oxymoron: I honestly thought your native language was english until you said that.
[23:24] <Oxymoron> Menox: Seriously? :O
[23:25] <nonameNN> no idea about screensavers missing??
[23:25] <Oxymoron> No my native language is swedish. And I didnt study much english either in schoo.
[23:25] <Menox> Oxymoron: yeah, it has great structure, no misspelled words.  Unless I heard an accent I wouldn't have known.
[23:25] <Typos_King> nonameNN:     what are you running to see them?
[23:26] <Menox> Oxymoron: I'm no english major but your english is very good.  I don't have any problems understand ig.
[23:26] <Menox> *it.
[23:26] <nonameNN> Typos_King: kscreensaver... i cant see them on the list
[23:26] <Oxymoron> Menox: Yeah, thats my strongest card to spell correctly I have a feeling for that even in swedish. The thing I lack of is elegant grammar and a better vocabular IMO.
[23:27] <Typos_King> nonameNN:    I see mine under system settings > desktop > screensavers
[23:27] <Menox> Oxymoron: your grammar and vocabluary is probably better than mine.
[23:27] <Typos_King> and also when I run xlock too
[23:27] <Oxymoron> Menox: No, but for me it isnt only about understand it even if the main purpose would be.
[23:27] <nonameNN> Typos_King: ok.... i can see them on gnome, but cant on kde... i know what u mean, but they dont appear at all on the list...
[23:27] <Menox> Oxymoron: you're a perfectionist :)
[23:28] <Typos_King> nonameNN:    there's..... I don't have xscreensavers installed here... but I used to on SuSE10.... it has a command to list them.... I think is... .xscreensaver-demo
[23:28]  * Typos_King googles
[23:29] <Typos_King> nonameNN:   yeah, that's the command to 'configure' them
[23:30] <Oxymoron> Menox: Yes kind of, guess why I dont cred OpenSOurce people enough ...
[23:30] <nonameNN> Typos_King: mmmm i seen thats for xscreensaver... not kscreensaver...
[23:31] <nonameNN> Typos_King: never mind, ive installed xscreensaver and solved the problem... good job man
[23:31] <Typos_King> heh
[23:31] <Oxymoron> Menox: You should see when I code my framework, every single line should be perfecttly formatted and beatyful, efficient and so on. I even dont start programmring Ruby or Python because I think PHP has more syntax xD :D
[23:32] <devilsadvocate> phplol
[23:32] <Oxymoron> Menox: A little sectret though, I can C++, Java, Python as well ... even if it was a pain in the ass to learn in school againt my will :D
[23:32] <Oxymoron> more beautiful syntax *
[23:32] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Dont mock PHP :D
[23:35] <nonameNN> Typos_King: mmm i still cant see them all.... im missing electricsheep flurry etc etc... is there any command to recognize them?
[23:35] <omnipotentduo> hey guys i am running the alternate lucid 64 bit installer (since none of the other installers work) and at every install i get to 33% done on the partitions and it hangs
[23:37] <Oxymoron> Menox: In other words, If I would want I could design my own operative system. Im not sure if it would be finished though because I would never be happy with it xD lol
[23:38] <Menox> Oxymoron: yeah, now imagine if you did finish it and were perfectly satisfied with it.
[23:38] <Oxymoron> omnipotentduo: A tip, install karmic 64 bit first and then upgrade from alternate cd inside ;)
[23:38] <Menox> Oxymoron: and had somebody say very rude things about it and its developer.
[23:39] <Typos_King> nonameNN:    no that I know of.... :|   and I don't have them installed myself
[23:39] <Menox> Oxymoron: instead if thanking you for offering it to everyone for free.
[23:39] <Oxymoron> Menox: I wouldnt mind? Everyone cant be satisfied by it.
[23:39] <omnipotentduo> oxymoron, tried karmic, intrepid, slackware, archlinux, chakra, debian, gentoo, bsd, frugal, i can keep going down the list
[23:39] <Oxymoron> Why should you thanking for offer it for free? The developers choice.
[23:40] <omnipotentduo> i think my OS drive is shot ><
[23:40] <Oxymoron> omnipotentduo: Uhm, seem to be a harddrive problem then I guess?
[23:41] <Menox> Oxymoron: because of the competition.  When you save that person hundereds of dollars and give them a better product, you should be thanked by them
[23:41] <omnipotentduo> oxymoron, yeah i think so but here's the wierd thing, i can get KDEmod working but unstable as charles manson on crack
[23:44] <Oxymoron> omnipotentduo: I dont know whom Charles Manson is but sure sound unstable :D Sounds like HDD is failing and get overloaded when you install or something like that I dont know I am not a hardware guy ...
[23:44] <Menox> omnipotentduo: does the live CD run ok?
[23:44] <Menox> Oxymoron: He's a psycho who convinced people to go out and kill
[23:46] <Oxymoron> Menox: Still developers choice to provide a "better" product than the commercial ones. I am glad that someone invented Open SOurce mentality though to provide the world with "free" stuff.
[23:47] <Oxymoron> Menox: Other times you just pirate and crack and hack things apart because valdi licenses doesnt benefit you in the end it just lock you and do many crazy updates that you dont want in the background anyway.
[23:47] <Menox> Oxymoron: Right, and you should express your gratitude for it.  Thats all I'm saying.  It keeps developers from getting discouraged and encourages development which will lead to a better product.
[23:48] <Menox> Oxymoron: Thats one reason I use linux. I don't like 50 updaters and random programs running on my computer.
[23:49] <Oxymoron> Menox: Oh yeah, thank you almighty programmers for providing things that most of the time contain to much bugs xD But still, you do it for free, oh yes thats perfect and all credit go to you.
[23:49] <Oxymoron> lol
[23:50] <Menox> ...
[23:50] <Oxymoron> Menox: I dont remember why I started GNU/Linux :D I think I just thought it was cool to test it one day and got "hooked" I guess.
[23:50]  * Menox shoves a spoon in his ear.
[23:51] <Menox> Oxymoron: so you like GNU/Linux?
[23:52] <Oxymoron> Menox: Define "like"? :D
[23:52] <Oxymoron> I think its better than Windows anyway ... if thats your definition of like, sure I like it a lot :D
[23:53] <Menox> Oxymoron: ok, let me put it this way:
[23:54] <Menox> Oxymoron: if you were required to ride a bike to town and all you had was a clunker with flat tires and bent handlebars
[23:55] <Menox> and somebody came along and said, "Here, take this moped.  You can keep it."
[23:55] <Menox> Would you thank them?
[23:55] <Menox> or complain that its not a harley?
[23:57] <Oxymoron> Menox: Hahahahahaha, that was one hell of a good parallell I must say ;) Well, if they just "throw" the moped at me and I was priviligied to choose if I wanted to use it or not without they care if I did or not I would just take it and continue my ride and enjoy life I guess.
[23:59] <Oxymoron> In that special case I would like my clunker with flat tires and bent handlebars though or else I would bought a better one before that ... I prefer cycling (Not sure if thats the right word for a person on a bike, biking maybe?) before mopeds and motorcycles.
[23:59]  * Typos_King throws a wet mop at Oxymoron