[00:40] <spotted01> Hey guys. I am trying to set up a nas and dlna server with ubuntu. Is it going to be a problem having them both serve the same HDD?
[00:41] <blairbo> Looking for partition/mountpoint advice. I'm setting up a ubuntu (current LTS) server strictly to run a docker environment. Some of the containers will use bind-mapping to the host. The server has a 6 drives on a RAID controller (2x250/RAID1;4x80/RAID5). My gut tells me to use / on the RAID1 array and  /home on RAID5, but I don't fully grasp how LVM changes that. Thoughts?
[01:24] <remu> I'm trying to setup my bash prompt where I want to substitute part of pwd if an environment variable is specified, but if it's not defined I'd like to just use \w. I can't seem to figure it out.
[01:46] <hfp> Is there any way to convert a UEFI install to a legacy BIOS one?
[01:48] <xorpad> Yes, but if you are on GPT you need a tool that supports converting the partition table to MBR... there is proabably a linux tool that can do that, but I've only done it on windows, then you install grub to the mbr, and you can but don't have to delete the EFI partition
[01:48] <hfp> xorpad: Does it make a difference if I have full disk encryption?
[01:49] <xorpad> I'm not really sure...
[01:49] <xorpad> depends how the encryption is implemented and i don't know that
[01:50] <hfp> It's the encryption from Ubuntu, where you have to enter a password ot unlock the disk when Ubuntu boots
[02:04] <Anthaas> Hi guys - my XMonad session has gnome features - how can I stop this? Im sure I have the system configured wrong in some way...
[02:04] <Anthaas> My terminal, for example, has the menu bar at the top.
[02:06] <Anthaas> Ignore
[02:06] <Anthaas> I can just hide it.
[02:35] <snufft> hi guys!
[02:36] <snufft> i've got a 16.04lts install that i've just tried installing graphics drivers on (after years of running generics, haha) and i've hit a bit of a snag on reboot
[02:36] <snufft> they're AMD drivers for an AMB 7970
[02:38] <snufft> i've followed the guide from the ubuntu help site and everything appears to go fine until reboot. now i get a dialog box on reboot telling me that there's been a graphics problem and do i want to reconfig, debug, run default etc.
[02:38] <snufft> has anyone had this problem before and can help me out?
[02:40] <snufft> the initial message is: This system is running in low-graphics mode. Your screen, graphics card and input device settings could not be detected correctly. you will need to configure these yourself.
[02:41] <snufft> if i "Try running with default graphical mode" i get thrown back to a terminal that shows me a list of things it's been doing, but doesn't let me input anything and it sits there forever
[02:41] <Two_Dogs> snufft: you changed graphics driver or kernel or both prior to seeing error?
[02:41] <snufft> Two_Dogs: thanks for the reply :) graphics driver only, I believe :)
[02:42] <snufft> the guide told me to run a dist-upgrade, but i believe everything was up to date when i ran it
[02:43] <Two_Dogs> snufft: i would undo the graphics driver install
[02:47] <Bashing-om> snufft:^^ AMD drivers in 16.04 are provided in the kernel .
[02:48] <snufft> Two_Dogs: might be a problem, i can't seem to get back to cli login even, haha
[02:49] <kristhian> question, when you say "rare commodity" what exactly does it mean?
[02:49] <kristhian> or give me an example, of using it
[02:49] <kristhian> or a scenario
[02:50] <snufft> Bashing-om: Really?? Mine didn't seem to function with what i was running. i've got 3 screens and full screen video on one of them degreased performance of the entire machine. it's been a while since i started looking into this, but i was under the impression that the computer was running some generic setup?
[02:50] <kristhian> aw
[02:50] <kristhian> sorry wrong channel
[02:51] <Bashing-om> snufft: Can You boot from grub the recovery kernel ? That kernel boots with a fall back grahic's driver .
[02:51] <Two_Dogs> snufft: i keep ssh-server running in back ground as a failsafe login, something to consider for the next time
[02:52] <Bashing-om> snufft: I also do not know the support structure for multi-monitors .
[02:53] <snufft> Two_Dogs: i'll keep that in mind for next time, thanks :)
[02:54] <snufft> Bashing-om: good point! I've got 4.4.0-96-generic, upstart and recovery mode (I've got a bunch of other kernels as well, but this is the most recent). Is the Recovery Mode the one you were talking about?
[02:55] <Bashing-om> snufft: Yes . any one of them - recovery - will suffice for now.
[02:57] <snufft> Bashing-om: allrightey! i'm in :) what shoul the process from here be? remove the drivers i just installed, then what should I do to ensure i'm running the kernel based drivers?
[02:59] <Two_Dogs> snufft: what graphics chip/card you got?
[02:59] <oerheks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in
[02:59] <Bashing-om> snufft: I hope that when the OEM driver is removed, the kernel will pick back up. Once rebooted we can check and see .
[02:59] <oerheks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[02:59] <snufft> Two_Dogs: it's an AMD 7970 :)
[02:59] <Two_Dogs> snufft: and ubuntu  version?
[03:00] <oerheks> that would be radeongpu or amdgpu
[03:00] <snufft> Bashing-om: no worries. I'm guessing it'd just be a package removal via dpkg? this was my install process fwiw: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Install.aspx I got to the end of the "Install" bit (the reboot) before everything went south
[03:00] <snufft> Two_Dogs: 16.04LTS :)
[03:01] <Two_Dogs> snufft: what oerheks makes sense then
[03:01] <Two_Dogs> snufft: what oerheks said makes sense then
[03:01] <oerheks> oh you installed the pro driver not knowing what driver is in use..
[03:02] <snufft> sorry, didn't see what oerheks was writing
[03:02] <snufft> I knew it wasn't flgfx :P
[03:02] <Two_Dogs> snufft: was the install via deb or run file?
[03:03] <snufft> Two_Dogs: run file :)
[03:03] <Two_Dogs> snufft: find the uninstall script
[03:04] <Two_Dogs> snufft: and assume amdpgu driver is not an option till you got something that indicates otherwise
[03:06] <Bashing-om> snufft: checking - bear with me .
[03:07] <snufft> woohoo! uninstalled it and we're back to a desktop :D
[03:08] <snufft> i'm getting xorg errors on reboot, but i'm just happy to be able to boot again, haha
[03:10] <Bashing-om> snufft: pastebin ' lsmod | grep radeon ; lsmod | grep amdgpu ; lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga  ' see what the driver situation is .
[03:12] <snufft> 2 sec, have to switch irc to my other computer
[03:14] <snufft> Bashing-om, here's the paste :) https://pastebin.com/fGQ68iEp
[03:17] <snufft> i think my problems might be solved....
[03:19] <Bashing-om> snufft: maybe /// that card takes the amdgpu driver vice radeon . https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Amdgpu .
[03:22] <snufft> Bashing-om, I think it might be fixed? VLC isn't dying any more. Just trying to find some 1080 videos to play
[03:22] <web_dev> hi
[03:22] <web_dev> apt-get upgrade what does it do?
[03:23] <Sweepyoface> upgrades all your packages
[03:23] <oerheks> web_dev, sure you know.
[03:24] <Bashing-om> web_dev: updates installed packages after ' sudo apt update ' has been run .
[03:24] <web_dev> and "update" ?
[03:24] <xorpad> what is the differences from ubuntu core, vs normal ubuntu?
[03:24] <xorpad> I'm considering using ubuntu core on an arm development board
[03:24] <xorpad> right now I'm using debian
[03:25] <Bashing-om> xorpad: core only gives you a booting kernel and a wired networking ability . Up to you what else you add .
[03:26] <xorpad> Ahh, well, sounds simple enough
[03:26] <xorpad> i've done LFS a few times so that should be easy
[03:26] <web_dev> oerheks, Bashing-om
[03:27] <xorpad> configure enough to get apt-get working, and then use that to set up the rest i guess would be my generalized strategy i planned to make plans for
[03:27] <web_dev> apt-get upgrade does the same thing as package manager update of unity does?
[03:27] <Bashing-om> xorpad: Then a piece of cake . Is a learning curve to know what to add to get your desired effect .
[03:27] <xorpad> Well, I know exactly the packages i want, and I want none that aren't on the list
[03:28] <xorpad> so... yeah
[03:28] <xorpad> that's actaully better than a preconfigured install
[03:28] <xorpad> because I can leave out things that aren't on the list
[03:28] <Bashing-om> xorpad: Ueppwe. that is the path :) Ya want logging then also install the anacron package .
[03:29] <Sweepyoface> yes web_dev
[03:29] <xorpad> I don't need logging, it's just a development board used to natively run and test stuff that will be going into devices with the same chip archiecture
[03:29] <xorpad> logging would just be a mess of compiling output
[03:29] <web_dev> Sweepyoface, it could also upgrade the kernel version?
[03:29] <Sweepyoface> yes
[03:29] <web_dev> ok
[03:29] <web_dev> and is there a way to avoid that?
[03:29] <Sweepyoface> update != upgrade though
[03:29] <web_dev> avoid the update of the krernel
[03:30] <web_dev> i added a driver in the kernel source, then i compiled the kernel and isntalled it
[03:30] <Bashing-om> !pinning | web_dev
[03:30] <web_dev> if the kernel will be update, i will lost the driver
[03:30] <web_dev> what i want is "do all but do not update the kernel"
[03:31] <Bashing-om> web_dev: ^^ then rebuild the driver for the new kernel .
[03:31] <web_dev> no, its' not possible
[03:31] <web_dev> the driver comes for an old version
[03:31] <web_dev> and is out of support
[03:31] <web_dev> is possible to do what i asked?
[03:33] <Bashing-om> web_dev: Ill advised to hold back a kernel update .. but see the above about pinning .
[03:35] <web_dev> echo kernel_package_name hold | dpkg --set-selections
[03:36] <web_dev> kernel_package_name
[03:36] <web_dev> what kernel?
[03:36] <web_dev> i compiled by myself
[03:36] <web_dev> there is not any package
[03:36] <web_dev> :\
[03:39] <Bashing-om> web_dev: Then by now you know " compiled myself " you are on your own . We can not support that here .
[03:39] <web_dev> i downloaded kernel source
[03:40] <web_dev> added a driver
[03:40] <web_dev> then i did "make"
[03:40] <web_dev> i have taken the image files and upgraded grub
[03:40] <web_dev> that's all...
[03:40] <web_dev> now i want to tell the distro: don't touch the kernel
[03:40] <oerheks> That is why DKMS is invented, to build it again any new kernel or dependencie update
[03:41] <oerheks> don't be silly, just build it again
[03:41] <web_dev> is there no way to tell the distro a so simple thing?
[03:41] <web_dev> "don't touch the fuckin' kernel"
[03:42] <oerheks> yes, Bashing-om answered that .. pinning.. but you will end up in a dependencie-hell
[03:42] <web_dev> i googled about pinning
[03:42] <web_dev> but it needs to know the kernel package name
[03:43] <web_dev> but there is not a kernel package
[03:43] <web_dev> because i compiled by my own
[03:43] <oerheks> LoLz
[03:43] <oerheks> good troll
[03:43] <oerheks> bye
[03:43] <web_dev> bye dumb guy
[03:44] <nickgarvey> web_dev, if you compile your own you might be able to package it yourself. look into how to compile the ubuntu kernel, apply your patch, and build the deb from that
[03:44] <nickgarvey> never done it myself, just a thought
[03:45] <web_dev> can i package the already compiled one?
[03:45] <nickgarvey> likely but I'm not sure. it will definitely be easier if you start from the ubuntu sources
[03:47] <web_dev> apt-get update
[03:48] <web_dev> what does it do?
[03:48] <nickgarvey> syncs your local view of the package repository with the remote view
[03:49] <nickgarvey> it let's you know what packages and versions are available on other servers
[03:49] <nickgarvey> it doesn't actually change any packages locally - that's apt-get install/upgrade
[03:50] <web_dev> thanks
[03:50] <web_dev> and if i do not do apt-get upgrade, the package installed keeps the same as when i installed the dristro?
[03:51] <nickgarvey> yes, as long as you did not enable any sort of automatic upgrades and don't do any upgrades via. a UI
[03:52] <nickgarvey> but be careful - no upgrades means no security patches. for an internet attached computer this is definitely a risk
[03:52] <Bashing-om> web_dev: But then no security fixes either !
[03:53] <web_dev> by default ubuntu has some automatic updates?
[03:53] <web_dev> *enabled
[03:53] <nickgarvey> you choose that option when you installed
[03:54] <nickgarvey> I believe it is off by default
[03:54] <web_dev> ok
[03:54] <nickgarvey> > If you are using GNOME, go to the "System" menu, then "Administration", then "Update Manager", then "Settings".
[03:54] <nickgarvey> that's from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[03:55] <web_dev> but for example, when ubuntu isused on dev boards, some driver are added to the kernel, so, what happens when apt-get upgrade is performed?
[03:56] <web_dev> driver will no longer work?
[03:56] <nickgarvey> I don't understand what you mean "issued on dev boards"
[03:56] <web_dev> *is used
[03:56] <nickgarvey> what do you mean "dev board" ?
[03:56] <web_dev> raspberry pi, asus thinkerboard
[03:56] <web_dev> and so on...
[03:57] <nickgarvey> that will depend on how the ubuntu distribution is configured. if they did it well, then the drivers you need will stay. if not.. then who knows :)
[03:59] <web_dev> maybe they have its own repository with build kernel for that
[03:59] <web_dev> ?
[03:59] <nickgarvey> yes that's very possible
[03:59] <nickgarvey> let me see if I can find the command to check, one moment
[04:01] <nickgarvey> "dpkg -s linux-signed-generic" might do it
[04:01] <web_dev> what this should do?
[04:02] <nickgarvey> you can find that by running "dpkg --help" and looking for the "-s" flag
[04:06] <arunkumar413> is it possible to uniquely identify  a processor
[04:06] <arunkumar413> does it come it any specific id similar to ip adress or mac address
[04:07] <xorpad> They have serial numbers
[04:07] <xorpad> so yes it's possible
[04:08] <xorpad> usually you can get the serial number using a program, but some hardware is less supported and you need to read the number off the actual phsyical cpu
[04:08] <xorpad> example: ryzen chips don't have proper support for linux yet and you can't get the serial number from inside linux
[04:10] <nickgarvey> arunkumar413: I got mine with "sudo dmidecode -t processor | grep ID:"
[04:10] <oerheks> arunkumar413, sudo cpuid | grep serial .. and for ubuntu installation, hostnamectl status | grep "Machine ID"
[04:11] <cfhowlett> inxi -F   should return an exhaustive list of resources, too.
[04:11] <arunkumar413> do we a database of systems running ubuntu
[04:12] <nickgarvey> ngarvey@challenger:~$ sudo dmidecode -t system | grep Serial
[04:12] <nickgarvey>         Serial Number: To be filled by O.E.M.
[04:12] <nickgarvey> lol
[04:12] <Bashing-om> !catalog | arunkumar413
[04:13] <Two_Dogs> has inxi been added to default ubuntu installs?
[04:13] <cfhowlett> Two_Dogs, as of 16.04 I believe ...
[04:14] <Two_Dogs> cfhowlett: cool, useful tool
[04:14] <nickgarvey> I am on server version 16.04.3 and don't have inxi installed by default
[04:14] <cfhowlett> indeed :)
[04:14] <oerheks> sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep "Serial Number"
[04:14] <oerheks> :-D
[04:14] <Bashing-om> arunkumar413: See: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/ .
[04:35] <web_dev> apt-get upgrade also does apt-get update?
[04:35] <web_dev> is implicit?
[04:36] <nickgarvey> web_dev: no. it will use the values from the last time you updated. so you might not get the most recent package if you haven't updated first
[04:39] <cfhowlett> web_dev, ...update refreshes the software list.  upgrade actually installs things
[04:40] <web_dev> and "update" will be keeped ? or i loose the list on every restart?
[04:41] <cfhowlett> the list is static until the next update command
[04:49] <Mikjaer> Anybody knows how well a HP Pavilion 570 with Radeon R5-435 is supported? And can i expect dualscreen with a couple of 27" Del U2715H to work?
[04:53] <aware-kind> I have Ubuntu 17.04. I tried replacing systemd-resolved with dnsmasq due to VPN DNS leak issues. Then I reverted my changes because it didn't help. I replaced /etc/resolved.conf with its original version that I had backed up. But now everytime NetworkManager is started it replaces the file with its own version.
[04:55] <aware-kind> And I think this is causing "nslookup www.google.com" to time out. My original resolved.conf is here: https://pastebin.com/79X7iQWn
[04:55] <Ben64> /etc/resolv.conf ?
[04:55] <aware-kind> Yes, sorry my bad
[04:55] <Ben64> looks like a normal resolv.conf with dnsmasq
[04:56] <aware-kind> No I didn't use dnsmasq when I had my original resolv.conf.
[04:57] <aware-kind> I was using systemd-resolved. Then I tried to install dnsmasq to replace systemd-resolved. Then I backtracked on my changes, but now NetworkManager keeps replacing resolv.conf
[04:58] <aware-kind> This is what NetworkManager keeps replacing resolv.conf with: https://pastebin.com/2meS0UyD
[05:01] <aware-kind> How can I make NetworkManager to stop trying to replace my /etc/resolv.conf? And why has NetworkManager all of a sudden started to replace resolv.conf?
[05:01] <Mikjaer> aware-kind: chattr +I /etc/resolv.conf
[05:01] <nickgarvey> aware-kind: https://www.google.com/search?q=networkmanager+resolve.conf
[05:01] <Mikjaer> aware-kind: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (sorry, lowercase i)
[05:02] <nickgarvey> doing chattr +I can cause a lot of failures as most programs don't check for immutable problems
[05:02] <Mikjaer> it works though :)
[05:03] <Mikjaer> and if i made a descision as to which resolvers im gonna use, theres no reason for any program to be able to modify that file.
[05:03] <aware-kind> Mikjaer: What ubuntu version are you running? Can you check if your /etc/resolv.conf is write protected?
[05:03] <Mikjaer> aware-kind: there's no such term in unix
[05:04] <Mikjaer> aware-kind: however on my current system it is actually world-writeable for some reason
[05:04] <aware-kind> nickgarvey: I've already searched google but thx for the effort. For instance adding dns=none to NetworkManager.conf makes chrome to not be able to resolve dns-addresses
[05:12] <aware-kind> Is NetworkManager.service enabled in Ubuntu 17.04 by default, or does 17.04 use network-manager.service?
[05:13] <aware-kind> Never mind, they seem to be same.
[05:20] <aware-kind> What file does /etc/resolv.conf link to? It is a link by default in Ubuntu 17.04. Can someone with Ubuntu (preferably 17.04) check what /etc/resolv.conf leads to?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> aware-kind: what do you mean with link to?
[05:23] <Mikjaer> aware-kind: resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[05:24] <Mikjaer> lotuspsychje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link
[05:24] <aware-kind> lotuspsychje: What do you want me to do with that?
[05:26] <aware-kind> Ah sorry, I thought lotuspsychje wrote that to me.
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> aware-kind: you need the inside of the conf?
[05:28] <Mikjaer> lotuspsychje: no he wants to know the origin of the symlink, if you do not understand that please read the link i provided.
[05:29] <aware-kind> Ok I managed to solve the problem. The problem was that originally /etc/resolv.conf was a symbolic link that I replaced with another link. But when I wanted to change everything back I replaced /etc/resolv.conf with a copy of it I had put away, but that copy was the file itself! So /etc/resolv.conf was no longer a link but an actual file.
[05:30] <aware-kind> The rest is history: When the service NetworkManager detects resolv.conf is NOT a symbolic link, then it decides to replace it with its own link.
[05:32] <aware-kind> But FUUUUUUUUUUCK I hate linux problems! They make me loose so many manhours I'm seriously considering switching to Windows all togheter. I need to go to therapy :'-(
[05:33] <Ben64> watch the language here please
[05:33] <aware-kind> ok sorry, my bad.
[05:33] <Ben64> and to be fair, you caused the problem :P
[05:34] <aware-kind> Ben64: Not quite. All this started because the devs of Ubuntu were happy enough to introduce systemd-resolved, but they didn't care that the service caused DNS leaks over VPN. So no I had to try to do something about it.
[05:36] <aware-kind> It's one thing when Ubuntu devs complain Ubuntu can be problematic because hardware OEMs wont cooperate with them... but it's something else when they shove half-assed solutions onto their users because reasons
[05:38] <nickgarvey> I don't think this is the right forum to raise these complaints. if you have specific feedback the ubuntu forums are a good place to make suggestions
[05:40] <aware-kind> nickgarvey: You're right. I just replied to Ben64. But I won't ever again report a single bug/suggest an improvement because no matter how carefully and specifically I describe the bug, my efforts are ignored. Never again.
[05:41] <cfhowlett> ...
[05:43] <Ben64> the problem you came in here was not about vpn, it was trying to undo something you did
[05:43] <Ben64> and you can suggest things without having a giant attitude about it
[05:45] <aware-kind> Ben64: Our argument is leading nowhere, but I don't have a giant attitude about anything when I report bugs. I just in detail describe the steps to reproduce it and explain the expected behavior. What attitude are you talking about when you haven't read my bug reports?
[05:45] <Ben64> the attitude you left just above
[05:46] <cfhowlett> the whole "attitude?  who me?" ain't working.   for solutions/assistance, strongly advise that you focus on providing more details and no commentary.
[05:46] <cfhowlett> !details
[05:46] <aware-kind> Ben64: Drop it, but you're wrong. I just kindly report the bug, and then nothing happens. Over and over again. KDE, Unity, etc..
[05:49] <Ben64> cool
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> aware-kind: telling volunteers their wrong, isnt the best idea here..stay open minded to get your issue solved
[05:58] <aware-kind> lotuspsychje and the rest of you: Please if you do not wish to continue this argument with me then please stop continuing it. Ben64 said I have an attitude when I write bug reports which is incorrect. And I already got my issue solved with the help of Mikjaer.
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> aware-kind: im not trying to argue...just pointing you for future problems its wise to stay open-minded instead of negative against..
[06:05] <aware-kind> Here are some 500 lines of errors if you wish: https://pastebin.com/ZsxzYcre. Regarding Gecko, I placed the msi-files in the path dirs you recommended
[06:05] <aware-kind> Ooooops, sorry. Wrong chat-room
[06:15] <razorsharpfang> I'm still having the issue where my network interface doesn't start in the state I want it to. I have the following line in my /etc/network/interfaces file: iface enp0s8 inet manual - what else is needed?
[06:16] <ducasse> something like 'auto enp0s8' just above it
[06:17] <razorsharpfang> Is there a way I can specify the IP address, and netmask?
[06:18] <ikonia> razorsharpfang: have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com
[06:18] <ikonia> razorsharpfang: there is a server section that explains how to use the interfaces file
[06:19] <ikonia> however I suggest you consider using network-manager to use this as it's clear you've not really got a base understanding of linux networking, so let network-manager do it for you
[06:19] <web_dev> how to know which package kernel is installed right now?
[06:19] <cfhowlett> web_dev, uname -a
[06:19] <razorsharpfang> This is in a virtualised test-environment, not a production system so i can re-image at will for no-cost, so I have no fear of mistakes, ikonia
[06:20] <web_dev> is that the name of the deb package?
[06:20] <cfhowlett> web_dev, that command will identify your current kernel
[06:21] <web_dev> i need to hold the current kernel package
[06:21] <web_dev> so i need to know the exact name
[06:21] <tomreyn> razorsharpfang: the 'manual' option means the interface needs to be startzed manually, by you, not that it is 'manually' configured.
[06:21] <cfhowlett> web_dev, run the command in a terminal: uname -r
[06:21] <cfhowlett> output = kernel
[06:21] <razorsharpfang> Aha, that makes more sense. Thanks tomreyn
[06:22] <tomreyn> razorsharpfang: if you want it to come up automatically you'll need to replace 'manual' by 'auto', and add more lines specifying its configuration. read 'man interfaces'
[06:23] <razorsharpfang> Ah, I should rtfm more often
[06:23] <web_dev> sudo apt-mark hold 3.2.0-126-generic
[06:23] <web_dev> it's good?
[06:23] <ducasse> if you want automatic config, replace auto with dhcp
[06:23] <ducasse> *manual with dhcp, i mean
[06:23] <razorsharpfang> The machine is serving as a dhcp server, so that's likely problematic.
[06:24] <ducasse> !server | razorsharpfang see the section in the server guide on network config
[06:24] <tomreyn> razorsharpfang: actually what i just wrote wasn't entirely correct, sorry. you need "auto nameoftheinterface" and another line saying "inet nameoftheinterface " with either "static" or "dhcp", and (if 'static') more lines for specific configurations.
[06:25] <razorsharpfang> I was wondering about auto vs static.
[06:25] <tomreyn> razorsharpfang: it's 'dhcp' vs 'static', and 'auto' vs 'manual'
[06:26] <razorsharpfang> Oh boy I sure am very wrong today.
[06:27] <tomreyn> just look at some examples, such as on the page ducasse / ubottu just pointed you to it will be much easier.
[06:28] <razorsharpfang> I now have the functionality I was after. Many thanks for the support.
[06:34] <ducasse> razorsharpfang: np, have fun :) the server guide is very good, i suggest bookmarking it :)
[06:45] <ubangoboi> hello gais
[06:45] <ivaat> hello.. any ubuntu kernel compile know how people around ?
[06:45] <ivaat> i have this issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/25698069/
[06:48] <cfhowlett> ivaat, mainline kernel is the preferred solution
[06:48] <ivaat> cfhowlett, i do use mainline kernel and copy from there .config
[06:48] <ivaat> i need qsv patches which i have patched
[06:49] <ivaat> and this was not answer :)
[06:49] <ivaat> same ooutcome is with 4.x from mainline taking .config to 4.x patches from qsv
[06:49] <ducasse> !kernel | ivaat
[06:50] <ivaat> huh..
[06:51] <ducasse> ivaat: read the message from ubottu
[06:51] <ivaat> ducasse, i have followed that path. i assume you didn't read paste :)
[06:52] <ducasse> no, i didn't, as compiling kernels is beyond what is supported here :)
[06:53] <ivaat> not true
[06:54] <ducasse> erm, yes, it is
[06:54] <ivaat> no
[06:57] <ducasse> it really is not, building your own kernel is entirely unsupported. maybe ##linux can help you.
[06:59] <ivaat> i am building ubuntu kernel eventually
[06:59] <ivaat> anyways i looked perhaps someone with knowledge to give hint what could be wrong
[07:42] <Zenn> Hi guys I have a urgent issue I installed ubuntu 17.04 but now my WiFi and LAN isnt working at all
[07:42] <ivaat> Zenn, no official support in here. Install mainline wifi and lan :D
[07:43] <Zenn> It is connected but just no network connection to Firefox or Ubuntu Store.
[07:43] <tomreyn> Zenn: https://askubuntu.com/questions/906103/lan-not-working-on-17-04
[07:43] <Zenn> :(
[07:43] <tomreyn> ivaat: this is wrong, please stop giving bad advice.
[07:43] <ivaat> tomreyn, nah.. i just copied what i was told :)
[07:43] <tomreyn> ivaat: you interpreted what you were told in a way you wanted.
[07:43] <ivaat> no
[07:44] <ivaat> you did- just now
[07:44] <Zenn> Is this a Ubuntu bug
[07:45] <tomreyn> ivaat: okay, either way, as the topic states, this is an official support channel. indeed kernel patching and compilation is not something supported here, but generi ubuntu support questions are.
[07:45] <tomreyn> Zenn: yes, this is a bug in network manager IIRC
[07:45] <tomreyn> affecting 17.04
[07:46] <Zenn> I can't get it working do I need restart ?
[07:46] <Zenn> I did the touch and restart network manager does not work
[07:46] <tomreyn> Zenn: did you read the askubuntu.com link i posted?
[07:48] <Zenn> Yes let me restart my laptop
[07:48] <Zenn> :( why is this even in the release at all.
[07:48] <tomreyn> Zenn: this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1676547
[07:53] <tomreyn> Zenn: just restarting your computer won't work around the bug, you need to make the changed discussed on the links i provided. if you need help with it, just ask.
[07:53] <Zenn> Omg
[07:53] <Zenn> It does not work :(
[07:53] <tomreyn> Zenn: what is "it"?
[07:54] <braai> greets
[07:55] <Zenn> WiFi is working but not LAN
[07:55] <tomreyn> Zenn: have you made the changes on your temrinal?
[07:55] <Zenn> Yes
[07:56] <tomreyn> Zenn: what does it say about the interface when you right click on it in the top right corner network management utility?
[07:57] <Zenn> Wired Connection 1
[07:59] <tomreyn> Zenn: cn you enable it there?
[07:59] <tomreyn> *can
[07:59] <Zenn> It is enable o.o
[07:59] <tomreyn> Zenn: so LAN is working?
[08:00] <Zenn> Yes
[08:01] <tomreyn> so i guess it's all working for you, nice.
[08:01] <Zenn> Now WiFi isn't working
[08:02] <Mathisen> heh...
[08:02] <Zenn> No I don't have internet connection.
[08:02] <Zenn> :(
[08:02] <tomreyn> so do you usually connect to the internet through wired or wireless?
[08:04] <braai> hey, not sure if anyone can help but I'm installing Ubuntu on a Dell XPS 15" 9560 and it's sticking at this point https://i.imgur.com/BMqG4CY.jpg
[08:04] <web_dev> sudo apt-mark hold 3.2.0-126-generic
[08:04] <web_dev> it's good?
[08:04] <braai> this is having installed, and trying to boot up
[08:04] <web_dev> i need to hold the current kernel version
[08:04] <tomreyn> braai: hit escape and see what the actuall issue is
[08:05] <braai> tomreyn: thanks - just tried hitting escape but nothing happens
[08:05] <Zenn> Okay worked o.o
[08:05] <tomreyn> braai: hmm, maybe try the other terminals then, ctrl-alt-f1 through f7
[08:05] <braai> doesn't seem responsive at all
[08:05] <braai> maybe I should boot in a cli mode with more verbose info
[08:06] <tomreyn> web_dev: most likely not, you'd prevent the package from getting removed.
[08:06] <braai> - I can't remember how to do that ;)
[08:06] <braai> I will google...
[08:06] <web_dev> tomreyn, what do i need to use?
[08:06] <web_dev> it's clear what i need to do?
[08:07] <tomreyn> braai: you can hold down left shift during boot, then select "advanced..." and the first emergency option
[08:07] <tomreyn> web_dev: it's not even clear what you are trying to do
[08:07] <tomreyn> or why
[08:09] <tomreyn> braai: indeed this sounds like it may have frozen. bios issue? while i hope this doesn't affect NVMe, make sure your storage controller firmware in bios / uefi is configured to use AHCI mode, not RAID.
[08:10] <web_dev> tomreyn: i have compiled my own kernel to add a driver not included in the kernel source tree
[08:11] <web_dev> now i need to prevent that kernel from updating
[08:11] <web_dev> because if i update it, i'll loose the driver
[08:12] <braai> tomreyn: thanks. BTW I did switch to AHCI, but I'll double check in case the Dell prangware has flipped it back
[08:12] <tomreyn> braai: also refer to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_15_9560 (for how to do firmware updates, as well as many other hints)
[08:12] <braai> I have just updated the firmware, it's a new box. But again cheers, I'll take a look
[08:14] <ducasse> web_dev: you normally shouldn't need to recompile the kernel to add a driver
[08:14] <web_dev> ducasse, i do, because it's a source
[08:15] <ducasse> web_dev: i understand that, which driver is this?
[08:15] <tomreyn> web_dev: the kernel version you run there isn't supported here, nor is comiling / modifying your kernel image. "apt-mark hold <packagename>" will hold a given package at its current version, but will not prevent newer kernel images from getting installed, and grub defaults to the newest kernel image.
[08:15] <Zenn> was there a software updater push out to fix the internet bug?
[08:15] <Zenn> cause it seems like I managed to fix but what is the broken iso doing in the releases site.
[08:16] <Zenn> not everyone is technical in doing this o.o
[08:16] <tomreyn> Zenn: non LTS releases do not ISO updates.
[08:16] <tomreyn> *receive
[08:16] <Zenn> so anyone who download that will be affected by the bug?
[08:17] <braai> tomreyn: hmm this is so weird. I went into recovery mode, entered the crypt password, then selected "continue with normal boot" and it booted fine
[08:18] <braai> however when restarted and trying a regular boot, I run into exactly the same issue again
[08:19] <tomreyn> Zenn: maybe, i do not know how widespread it is, but it seems to affect many configurations.
[08:20] <Zenn> okay I will run the software update on my machine.
[08:20] <tomreyn> Zenn: my personal recommendation is to use LTS releases unless you are happy to handle such issues.
[08:22] <braai> I'm gonna try reinstalling. Maybe w/out LVM this time
[08:23] <ducasse> braai: which release is this?
[08:23] <braai> 17.04
[08:23] <tomreyn> braai: try the normal boot without the 'quiet' and 'splash' options (edit /etc/default/grub and remove them, then re-run update-grub and reboot into the default kernel), maybe add "text" as well.
[08:23] <braai> will do, cheers
[08:25] <web_dev> ducasse, custom shit
[08:25] <web_dev> tomreyn
[08:25] <web_dev> you are right
[08:25] <web_dev> but if i tell ubuntu to hold the current .deb package he know, isn't the same thing?
[08:25] <tomreyn> braai: if you still have the installer / live media, you could also boot into it and "check the disc for defects" to ensure it's not broken
[08:26] <tomreyn> web_dev: same as what? you really, really, really do not want to manage your own kernel image unless you know what you're doing. the one you picked is already out of support, rreceives no security patches and may have known vulnerabilities.
[08:27] <tomreyn> and that's your kernel, controlling basically everthing happening on your computer.
[08:28] <web_dev> it's not a computer
[08:28] <web_dev> is an old dev board
[08:28] <web_dev> so i don't care if are there security problems
[08:28] <tomreyn> if it runs linux, its a computer
[08:29] <ducasse> web_dev: tomreyn is right - this is way outside what is supported here
[08:29] <braai> tomreyn: booting w/out quiet and splash gives me a terminal login, should I just login and startx ?
[08:30] <braai> ooh
[08:30] <braai> hang on I am seeing some bug warnings
[08:31] <web_dev> i hate when people does not answer to my question
[08:31] <web_dev> i just asked how to hold my own kernel
[08:31] <tomreyn> braai: if you installed ubuntu desktop, x would still start automatically even with 'quiet' and 'splash' removed (maybe not with 'text' added, though).
[08:31] <web_dev> i appreciate your suggestions, but that's not the answer to my question
[08:32] <tomreyn> web_dev: i answered this question a while ago.
[08:33] <braai> tomreyn: err I will check - I didn't do exactly what do you said, rather I went into grub advanced and selected edit the startup command, then removed quiet & splash from there. Anyway, these are the warnings I am seeing: https://i.imgur.com/SenbZ6a.jpg
[08:33] <web_dev> ToAruShiroiNeko,
[08:33] <web_dev> ops
[08:34] <web_dev> tomreyn, ubuntu OS is still thinking that i'm using the originary kernel package, right?
[08:34] <braai> I'm seeing some more info since taking that pic
[08:34] <web_dev> so i can tell ubuntu to hold it, in this way, no new kernels will be installed
[08:35] <tomreyn> web_dev: you asked 'how to hold my own kernel', i replied that "'apt-mark hold <packagename>' will hold a given package at its current version, but will not prevent newer kernel images from getting installed, and grub defaults to the newest kernel image".
[08:36] <web_dev> what does it mean "will hold a given package at its current version" ?
[08:38] <braai> hmm logging in from here and running startx just hangs... I'll try booting again
[08:38] <tomreyn> web_dev: most packages do not carry a version number in their package name, resulting the earlier package version to be replaced by newer package versions during upgrades. that's different for the linux kernel packages which carry their upstream version in their package name. as a result, they are never updated by default. but there is a meta package which always keeps its name and tracks (depends on) the latest available kernel image and
[08:38] <tomreyn> ensures it gets installed.
[08:39] <Ben64> braai: startx isn't what you want to do, probably
[08:39] <braai> ah
[08:40] <web_dev> tomreyn, are you telling me that i will never hold a kernel package?
[08:40] <web_dev> https://askubuntu.com/questions/178324/how-to-skip-kernel-update
[08:40] <web_dev> here say to do this way
[08:40] <litnux> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem
[08:41] <litnux> i have got the http redirecting to https
[08:41] <litnux> but now if i access http://localhost:8443/myapp
[08:41] <litnux> I am getting this message
[08:41] <tomreyn> web_dev: unless you'll remove that meta package and thus prevent getting kernel (read: security) updates, you'll get newer kernel versions during in-release upgrades (i.e. when updating all packages, not just upgrading to the next ubuntu release). grub, unless reconfigured by you, defaults to booting the newest (highest version) installed kernel image.
[08:41] <Ben64> web_dev: what version of ubuntu are you on
[08:41] <Sweepyoface> ..is it a valid certificate?
[08:42] <tomreyn> braai: sorry, i got sidetracked, checking your screenshot now.
[08:42] <litnux> Sweepyoface: I have generated the certificate by openssl
[08:42] <Sweepyoface> So it's not valid.
[08:42] <braai> tomreyn: np cheers
[08:43] <Sweepyoface> self-signed in other words
[08:43] <web_dev> Ben64, 16.04
[08:43] <web_dev> it's a dev board
[08:44] <Ben64> sounds like a mess, 3.2 doesn't exist on 16.04
[08:44] <web_dev> tomreyn, it's not grub
[08:44] <web_dev> it's another shit called "u-boot"
[08:44] <Ben64> whatever you got isn't supported here
[08:44] <web_dev> kernel update is the only thing that willupdate "Initrd" ?
[08:44] <ducasse> wwatch the language, please
[08:44] <ducasse> web_dev: ^^
[08:45] <tomreyn> braai: your CPU locked up temporarily during boot, or that's what linux thinks. this means that OS and firmware / hardware don't play together well in this configuration. i suggest you install all available updates and see ifg it still happens. if it does, then try a newer kernel image. if it still happens, install an LTE release with a !hwe or !mainline kernel instead.
[08:45] <web_dev> Ben64, 16.04 is still supported
[08:45] <Ben64> not with a 3.2 kernel
[08:45] <Ben64> 16.04 comes with 4.4
[08:45] <web_dev> 3.2 kernel is what i put there to run my driver
[08:45] <litnux> Sweepyoface: but it works well if i use http://localhost:8081 it uses https://localhost:8081
[08:45] <Ben64> hence, not supported
[08:45] <litnux> here it uses https and it works perfectly
[08:46] <ducasse> web_dev: especially not with a 3.2 kernel you are building yourself - as we've said, you are way outside of what we support
[08:47] <web_dev> ducasse, explain what do you mean by "support"
[08:47] <ducasse> braai: which cpu do you have?
[08:47] <web_dev> i asked something which not involves at all the version of the kernel
[08:47] <web_dev> i just asked how to hold a kernel
[08:47] <braai> tomreyn: hmm, ok thanks. I might be in a bit of trouble here as I've completely wiped windows and didn't create a USB restore disk as I didn't have a spare to hand. I guess there should be a way to install the updates w/out Windows OS?
[08:47] <Ben64> web_dev: this channel only supports official packages, you're doing something way outside of that, so... not supported
[08:48] <web_dev> Ben64, but which kernel version i run it's not your business. i just asking "how to hold a kernel"
[08:48] <tomreyn> braai: installing updates is as easy as "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -V"
[08:48] <web_dev> it could be also a 8000.9008.498 kernel version
[08:49] <ikonia> web_dev: it will depend how you are managing your kernels - which DOES depend where your kernel comes from and how it's installed
[08:49] <braai> tomreyn: CPU is i7 7700HQ 2.80GHZ. Ah sorry I thought you meant firmware updates :)
[08:50] <Ben64> web_dev: you're right, it's not my business, it's also not supported here
[08:50] <web_dev> even if i installed my own kernel, ubuntu still thinks that i'm still running the originary kernel, right?
[08:50] <Ben64> no
[08:50] <tomreyn> braai: oh you mean firmware updates, i think you said you already installed them. the one asking about your CPU was ducasse (not me).
[08:50] <ikonia> web_dev: not at all, hence why I said "it does matter"
[08:52] <braai> haha ok. No, I did all firmware updates except one, I didn't think it mattered too much at the time (think it was a disk controller)
[08:53] <braai> thanks for all your help btw guys, much appreciated
[08:53] <ducasse> braai: you might want to install intel-microcode if you've not done so
[08:53] <braai> ahh yes
[08:54] <tomreyn> braai: if there is no immediate issue with the NVMe (at this time i have no reason to think there is) then ignore the firmware updates for now (but note that the archlinux wiki i pointed you to earlier discusses how to upgrade your firmware from linux) and just focus on working around / fixing the "CPU stuck" issue.
[08:54] <braai> c00l nice one
[08:56] <tomreyn> braai: so can you actually login to the text console and work there?
[08:56] <braai> yup that's right
[08:56] <braai> just about to do the updates
[08:57] <tomreyn> braai: okay then i'm with duscssa there, install the microde package, install all available ubuntu package updates (using the commands i provided above), reboot and see if it helps
[08:58] <braai> cool thanks I will do that :)
[08:58] <braai> argh no network now. Lol
[08:59] <braai> I should be able to figure out how to get onto my wifi
[08:59] <tomreyn> braai: do this first: https://askubuntu.com/questions/906103/lan-not-working-on-17-04
[09:00] <braai> this is weird I don't have /sbin/ifconf
[09:00] <braai>  /sbin/ifconif
[09:01] <tomreyn> braai: ifconfig was replaced by ip
[09:01] <braai> sorry, /sbin/ifconfig. This connection is a bit laggy
[09:01] <braai> ahh
[09:01] <braai> ok thanks
[09:01] <braai> ok cheers I will follow that link ^
[09:03] <tomreyn> braai: actually ignore the askubuntu.com page (the 'UPDATE' of the first answer is not entirely correct and should be ignored) and just do: sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf; sudo service network-manager restart
[09:03] <braai> that link is about LAN not working though, I'm on WiFi
[09:03] <braai> ok cheers
[09:03] <tomreyn> braai: LAN or WLAN does not matter there.
[09:03] <braai> ok cool
[09:05] <braai> this is quite amusing trying to fix this in the cli on a 4k screen... have to squint a bit -./
[09:05] <tomreyn> braai: if, after this, there is no connection available, yet / you still need to configure it, i suggestysou use either nmtui or nmcli (in this order) to configure your wireless
[09:06] <tomreyn> bbiab
[09:06] <braai> unfortunately the service NetworkManager restart is taking forever
[09:06] <braai> cool ciao
[09:11] <braai> logsb lastlog -file ~/ubuntu-xps-help.log
[09:11] <braai> GAH!
[09:11] <braai> heh
[09:12] <braai> I'll try that again
[09:12] <braai> pah, irssi doesn't like logsb
[09:12] <braai> ahh because that's the name of the alias the guy was making. https://gist.github.com/cincodenada/7274521
[09:13] <braai> derp
[09:19] <tomreyn> !log | braai
[09:19] <tomreyn> both .txt + .html
[09:20] <tomreyn> wget https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/10/08/%23ubuntu.txt
[09:20] <tomreyn> oh wait, no network :)
[09:29] <braai> tomreyn: cheers :) I've got the log on my shell now anyway, and have a nice record of our conversion via `egrep 'ducasse.*braai|tomreyn.*braai|braai' ubuntu-xps-help.log  | less`
[10:41] <KristoferV> Hi, I have a Mx Master and I failed to follow the guide from Arch wiki. Probably, because I have no idea how to configure xbindkeys.
[10:42] <KristoferV> Is anyone willing to help me?
[10:44] <arunkumar413_> #ubuntu-dev
[10:54] <KristoferV> @arunkumar413 #ubuntu-dev is invite only.
[10:55] <ivaat> just register your nick name
[10:55] <ivaat> identify.. then can join. no invite
[10:55] <braai> phew, after struggling for a while I remember that I managed to get into a working desktop environment by going into recovery mode, entering the crypt pw and then resuming. From here I have full network access and GUI so I can do all the updates quite easily. Thanks again for the help tomreyn and ducasse
[10:55] <ivaat> KristoferV, and its #ubuntu-devel
[10:56] <KristoferV> well the #ubuntu-dev redirected to #ubuntu-devel, posted it there, then realized it wasn't #ubuntu-dev so i think it is fine now. Noone has intrest there.
[10:57] <ivaat> i answered with hi :)
[10:57] <KristoferV> really helpful, getting my mouse working...
[11:01] <ducasse> KristoferV: why don't you start with some details on what exactly your issue is?
[11:03] <MonkeyDust> KristoferV  what is Mx Master?
[11:04] <ikonia> based on the stuff he's asking in other channels I'm guessing he means he has an SMTP service of some sort that is the host listed as the primary MX record
[11:04] <KristoferV> it is a mouse
[11:04] <ikonia> what !!!!
[11:05] <ikonia> so you're talking about a logitech mouse
[11:05] <KristoferV> yes...
[11:05] <ikonia> this is crazy, I'm out
[11:05] <KristoferV> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Logitech_MX_Master
[11:06] <ducasse> i'd still like to know what your issue is?
[11:07] <KristoferV> the thumb button, I want thumb button press to play/pause got it working, but can only pause and then need to resstart xbindkeys to pause again, then thumb button down and moving mouse up down for volume controls, moving mouse right for media next and left for Super+L(lock)
[11:08] <KristoferV> Also it is weird, that side scroll scrolls sideways and also changes volume
[11:09] <KristoferV> I just can't really be on Linux daily, since I am used to it, right now the thumb button is useless and using sidescroll requiers me to change the volume manually, to keep the volume at same position...
[11:10] <ducasse> not sure if you a\can use xbindkeys to set events for a button down + mouse movement...
[11:11] <KristoferV> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Logitech_MX_Master
[11:11] <KristoferV> that is the only resource i could find, I think it would work fine, except I have no idea how to use xbindkeys
[11:12] <MonkeyDust> KristoferV  is this useful https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2276625
[11:12] <ducasse> KristoferV: from that link - "Logitech gestures (moving mouse up/down/left/right while thumb pressed) are not detected in linux."
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> can that tool gpointingdevices help?
[11:13] <KristoferV> the solaar thing is for unifying dongle, I use Bluetooth.
[11:14] <ducasse> still, you can't bind to those events in linux.
[11:14] <arunkumar413_> what all information that the BIOS chip contain which is unique across all the systems
[11:15] <MonkeyDust> KristoferV  what ducasse says http://paste.ubuntu.com/25699239/
[11:15] <KristoferV> i don't care about the i button, since I use it as default anyways.
[11:15] <KristoferV> what about the arch linux?
[11:16] <ducasse> what about arch?
[11:16] <KristoferV> arch wiki*
[11:16] <ducasse> did you _read_ that article?
[11:16] <KristoferV> it says mouse sends some garbage on the way, when it sends thumb button down
[11:16] <KristoferV> what are you referring as that?
[11:17] <KristoferV> i think that garbage is for logitech's windows broken utility (that just randomly stopped working)
[11:17] <KristoferV> but if the thing can detect when thumb button down
[11:17] <KristoferV> what arch wiki says it can
[11:17] <KristoferV> then you can just read if mouse is making movement up/down/right/left
[11:19] <ducasse> and where would you read that movement from?
[11:20] <KristoferV> mouse moving?
[11:21] <ducasse> yes, that's what we're talking about, isn't it?
[11:22] <KristoferV> i guess
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> oO
[11:23] <KristoferV> oh
[11:23] <KristoferV> I got really confused with thumb wheel and thumb button
[11:25] <KristoferV> guess i need to get used to linux... :#
[11:25] <KristoferV> ut the play/pause
[11:26] <ducasse> ttbomk what you were asking for cannot be done
[11:26] <KristoferV> yeah
[11:26] <KristoferV> got it
[11:26] <KristoferV> "If you look at the keys the button triggers you will notice that it sends a series of keys, confusing xbindkeys. You need to add a short sleep here so xbindkeys will only react on the first keys send so we can at least map one action to it:"
[11:27] <KristoferV> i guess the garbage is the direction mouse is moving (what confuses xbindkeys), since when thumb button is down (holded), then mouse doesn't move
[11:28] <KristoferV> and then the thing arch wiki says we can detect is it just pressed
[11:28] <KristoferV> i got it only little working
[11:29] <KristoferV> if i have that, then pressing thumb button pauses, but then you can't start music again, you can pause again if you kill and start xbindkeys again, but not pause...
[11:29] <KristoferV> not play*
[11:30] <ducasse> what did you bind the button to?
[11:31] <KristoferV> copy paste from wiki when the script
[11:31] <KristoferV> "sleep 0.1 && xte 'key XF86AudioPlay'"
[11:31] <KristoferV>    m:0xc + c:23
[11:31] <KristoferV> so if xbindkeys recives m:0xc + c:23
[11:31] <KristoferV> then I guess it is Thumb button down
[11:32] <KristoferV> then it sleeps for 0.1 sec (since that is probably the mouse movement, what confuses xbindkeys)
[11:32] <ducasse> and it won't toggle, it just pauses?
[11:32] <KristoferV> and virtually presses Media play/pause "aka XF86AudioPlay"
[11:32] <KristoferV> it only pauses
[11:32] <KristoferV> and if you pause 1 time
[11:32] <KristoferV> you need to pkill xbindkeys && xbindkeys (restart) it to pause again
[11:33] <ducasse> what if playback is already paused, if you restart xbindkeys will it start it then?
[11:33] <KristoferV> no
[11:33] <ducasse> which music player is this?
[11:34] <KristoferV> video player (gnome) / cmus
[11:34] <KristoferV> what i have tested with
[11:35] <ducasse> ok. which release is this, btw?
[11:35] <KristoferV> of what?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu
[11:36] <KristoferV> the latest lts
[11:36] <KristoferV> canät remember number, sec
[11:36] <KristoferV> 16.04
[11:36] <ducasse> hang on a second, i want to check something in my config
[11:42] <ducasse> hmmm... seems there is both XF86AudioPlay and XF86AudioPause, the player might be waiting for the one you're not sending (although then i would sort of expect the opposite behavior)
[11:43] <ducasse> i do things a bit differently here, so i can't say for sure
[11:43] <KristoferV> I have media keys on my PCs, they work
[11:43] <KristoferV> including pause/play
[11:43] <ducasse> ok, it was just a thought.
[11:44] <KristoferV> wait
[11:44] <KristoferV> can we capture me pressing media on my laptop?
[11:44] <ducasse> 'xev -event keyboard'
[11:46] <KristoferV> eymapNotify event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
[11:46] <KristoferV>     keys:<PHONE_NUMBER> 0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[11:46] <KristoferV>            0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[11:48] <ducasse> what you're looking for is 'KeyPress event, serial ...' etc, but nvm
[11:49] <ducasse> the problem might be that you're sending the keypress event, but not keyrelease, and that is why xbindkeys needs to be restarted
[11:51] <KristoferV> that is from my media key, that works fine and doesn't disturb xbindkeys, it comes up when i release the media key
[11:51] <KristoferV> https://prnt.sc/guqgn6
[11:51] <KristoferV> the upper is space to know where it comes
[11:51] <KristoferV> and the bottom one is alt f4
[11:54] <ducasse> are you using kali?
[11:54] <KristoferV> on laptop, yes
[11:54] <KristoferV> on desktop, ubuntu gnome
[11:55] <KristoferV> is kali fing up things?
[11:55] <ducasse> it would not be the first time
[11:55] <ducasse> i'm not even going to try supporting that
[11:56] <KristoferV> i just needed kali, that was my first linux installation and it was on laptop, since i like gnome anyways, i didn't want to reinstall...
[11:57] <KristoferV> right now not at home.. No desktop to take, but why does it exist on my desktop too?
[11:58] <ducasse> https://docs.kali.org/introduction/should-i-use-kali-linux - "Kali is a Linux distribution specifically geared towards professional penetration testers and security specialists, and given its unique nature, it is NOT a recommended distribution if you’re unfamiliar with Linux or are looking for a general-purpose Linux desktop distribution"
[11:58] <KristoferV> sorry...
[12:00] <KristoferV> too lazy to reinstall, got introducted to linux with kali, then started to like it.. Is the problem related to Debian or Kali?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:00] <KristoferV> guess I should reinstall sometime and come back?
[12:00] <ducasse> KristoferV: if you can reconnect from your desktop at some point, we can look into it there. there are simply too many things in kali that are badly broken for us to help with.
[12:01] <KristoferV> ok, thanks anyways for trying to help.. If i reconnect when i get home and mention you?
[12:01] <KristoferV> and > should I *
[12:02] <ducasse> KristoferV: if you are a fairly new user, i suggest trying ubuntu instead - it is much more suited for general use. just mention my nick, if i'm here i'll respond :)
[12:07] <KristoferV> Thanks, first I was "Linux is great, why shouldn't I use it" *Installs Ubuntu*  *Uses Ubuntu for a week* "This is so shit" *needs to use Kali for somebody's wifi shit* *needs to do it multiple times, dual boot installs it* "About every 2-3 days when I need a thing it is complicated on Windows, on linux copy paste 1 command" *starts using Kali lot, recently trying to get everything overboard to Linux* *why kali? Because it is already
[12:07] <KristoferV> installed* *when deciding to try to port to Linux, discoveres there is Ubuntu Gnome, looks and feels really good* *Still too lazy to get off kali on laptop* *problems, here*
[12:16] <xset> hi i'm currently kinda stuck at installing ubuntu server 16.04 tasksel fails at the Basic Ubuntu server packages with apt-get failed (100)
[12:17] <xset> i could boot into the system and install packages but the basic ubuntu server still fails
[12:18] <ikonia> should give more info
[12:20] <xset> tasksel in the booted system just errors aus with apt-get failed (100) while installing vom usb it complained that libcurl3-gnutls is not installed and will not be installed
[12:20] <ikonia> ok why
[12:21] <braai> ducasse, tomreyn: finally I am in, everything Just Works. Thanks once more, have a good one :)
[12:22] <xset> ikonia: https://pastebin.com/pVDiQXuW this is the complete error
[12:23] <ikonia> not what i asked
[12:23] <xset> task selected were minimal server utilitys and openssh-server
[12:23] <ikonia> why can it not install that specific package from usb source
[12:23] <xset> that is the question i'm asking myself, since i even cant install it when i'm booted into the system
[12:24] <xset> i also tried to redownload iso and write to a different USB stick with the same error
[12:24] <ikonia> xset: so what happens when you have only the USB enabled as a source and you try to install that speific package
[12:25] <flux242> what's default display server in 17.10?
[12:26] <ducasse> !17.10 | flux242
[12:27] <xset> ikonia: that i sadly cant tell you with absolut certanty because i guess the installer enables the online mirror too
[12:28] <ikonia> xset: ok - then do the test after the install
[12:29] <ikonia> xset: and I don't think the installer enables the online repo by default unless you tell it to
[12:29] <ikonia> xset: or pull the network cable to make it only use the USB
[12:29] <xset> good idea
[12:30] <ikonia> xset: what version of ubuntu is this ?
[12:30] <flux242> there was a command here that shows package versions for a specified release version. How was it?
[12:30] <xset> ikonia: 16.04.3 server
[12:31] <ikonia> xset: so in theory the usb should be in sync with the online mirrors
[12:31] <ducasse> flux242: /msg ubottu !info <package> <release>
[12:53] <mikesrike> Hello everyone. I burned an ubuntu DVD yesterday and when I use it as live disc in my laptop seems like there's no wifi driver. Will the driver work out of the box if I install the system to the hard drive or do I have to install it manually? I thought ubuntu has rich driver library...
[12:54] <ikonia> depends on your wifi chipset
[12:54] <ikonia> and if/how well its supported in linux
[12:54] <xset> ikonia: same error while installing without network connection
[12:55] <ikonia> xset: ok - so it can't get the package from the usb - why not, what happens when you try to install the package on the system with just the usb as a source
[12:56] <Sbur3> I don't know what in which room to ask the quesiton.  I want to access my wife's cell phone via a usb connection.  I hear about mtp, but am probably only partially where I want to be (unless ptp is a better option)
[12:56] <mikesrike> ikonia Where can I check if wifi card is supported or not?
[12:57] <ikonia> mikesrike: normally online has fair ammount of resources on the wifi chipset and specific linux version support
[12:57] <nugroho> ^set logfile /tmp/irc.log
[12:58] <jeremy31> mikesrike, what wifi card?
[12:58] <Sbur3> This is my pastebin of lsusb
[12:58] <Sbur3> https://pastebin.com/L3uRn7bs
[12:58] <mikesrike> jeremy31 I'm searching for that. Device is lenovo s21e
[12:59] <jeremy31> mikesrike, check in terminal lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net  If you want paste results at paste.ubuntu.com and post a link
[13:00] <mikesrike> jeremy31 I can't paste it since there's no internet connection on the machine xD but I'll check this in a second
[13:02] <xset> ikonia: so installing libcurl3-gnutls requires libldap-2.4-2 that depends on libgssapi3-heimdal
[13:02] <xset> and libgssapi3-heimdal has no install candidate
[13:02] <ikonia> ok - so install that package, work it through
[13:02] <ducasse> Sbur3: whether you want mtp or ptp depends on what you want to do
[13:02] <ikonia> !info libgssapi3-heimdal
[13:02] <ikonia> xset: that package is in "main" so I'd expect to see it on the CD
[13:03] <mikesrike> jeremy31 I have only device ID for now and it's PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_4365&SUBSYS_062117AA&REV_01, the card name is Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter
[13:04] <Sbur3> ducasse: I was able to recover the stuff off her ASUS cell phone.  She replaced it with a "noname" brand cell phone.  I want to put the music and photos I have on my Ubuntu desktop onto her news phone
[13:04] <ducasse> Sbur3: then you want mtp
[13:04] <Sbur3> ducasse: The name of the brand is apparently "AllCall Bro
[13:04] <Sbur3> ducasse: Can you walk me through the procedure?
[13:05] <Sbur3> ducasse: Btw, what is ptp good for?
[13:05] <jeremy31> mikesrike, you need bcmwl-kernel-source and should be able to install by putting the USB/DVD with the ISO on and then go into Settings/Software and Updates/Additional Drivers and install Broadcom Proprietary module.  You will need to have Secure Boot disabled in BIOS
[13:05] <ducasse> Sbur3: which release and desktop are you running? ptp is for pictures only, and i think it's one-way
[13:06] <Sbur3> ducasse: To be honest, I have Ubuntu Studio 17.04.  The cell phone uses Android 7.0
[13:06] <mikesrike> jeremy31 Are you talking about live disc mode?
[13:07] <jeremy31> mikesrike, But you insert the media while booted to the installed version
[13:07] <Sbur3> ducasse: In file manager, it shows the cell phone, but no way to access it or do something with it
[13:08] <mikesrike> jeremy31 So just to get it working: install ubuntu on the hard disk and then install proprietary broadcom module from the ubuntu iso?
[13:08] <Sbur3> ducasse: And I noticed that there are two things in lsusb that don't have a description on it
[13:08] <ducasse> Sbur3: try to just click the icon in the file manager sidebar for the cell phone, then look for notifications on the cellphone display
[13:09] <jeremy31> mikesrike, with Secure Boot disabled it should work as bcmwl is the only module that works for your wifi
[13:10] <jeremy31> mikesrike, also search internet for bcmwl offline install
[13:11] <Sbur3> ducasse: When I click on AllCell Bro, it pops up the reference to mtp:001,009
[13:14] <ducasse> Sbur3: but can't you see a notification in the cellphone display? try pulling down from the top.
[13:14] <xset> ikonia: yes it is on the stick/in the iso, no clue why it cannot install the package then
[13:15] <FManTX> FileZilla does not work
[13:16] <Sbur3> ducasse: On the cell phone, I find "Use the USB connection for 1 - charging the cell phone, 2 - Transfer files (transfer the files towards another item,3 - Transfer photos (PTP) transfer photos or files if MTP is not compatible (PTP) or 44 - Use this item as MIDI
[13:16] <FManTX> damnit, the disk is full
[13:16] <ikonia> xset: showme the output of apt-cache policy $packagename
[13:17] <Sbur3> ducasse: Nothing about MTP nor about using the connection to transfer towards it from elsewhere
[13:17] <ducasse> Sbur3: mtp is most likely 2
[13:17] <jeremy31> Sbur3: option 2 is what I use on my Nexus phone
[13:19] <Sbur3> ducasse: jeremy31: So this should open the door to me transferring files from my desktop towards the cell phone?
[13:19] <ducasse> yup
[13:19] <jeremy31> Sbur3, It should but some people have had to use developer mode on the phone to enable USB debugging
[13:19] <Sbur3> ducasse: jeremy31: Youpieeeeeeeeee !!! It seems to have functioned
[13:20] <Sbur3> ducasse: jeremy31: I can see the contents of the cell phone
[13:20] <xset> ikonia: installed: (none) \ Candidate: (none) \ Version table: \
[13:20] <Sbur3> ducasse: jeremy31: Thanks a lot !!!
[13:20] <Sbur3> Bye
[13:20] <ducasse> Sbur3: yw :)
[13:34] <qswz> to listen mp3's: audacious or gnomeMPlayer?
[13:35] <skinux> I need a good tutorial for creating a self-signed ssl key
[13:38] <ducasse> skinux: https://askubuntu.com/questions/49196/how-do-i-create-a-self-signed-ssl-certificate
[13:39] <skinux> IT says the keys already exist, but nginx gave error
[13:40] <qswz> vlc?
[13:41] <ducasse> qswz: imo smplayer is nice, depends on your needs
[13:42]  * qswz checking
[13:42] <qswz> music only is the need
[13:43] <skinux> what ie hte 'my' command?
[13:43] <qswz> light, and good quality
[13:43] <skinux> the tutorial syas to sue it, but it doesn't exist
[13:44] <akik> skinux: it's mv
[13:45] <skinux> Unable to load private key
[13:46] <ikonia> xset: sorry I was away from my desk, if you do apt-cache search $package, do you see anything
[13:49] <xset> no output
[13:53] <xset> i
[13:53] <skinux> Those commands are not working https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/7039e119299ae4cbc14b236bd3475587
[13:53] <xset> im currently booting into a vm to know if it is really the iso or my pc
[13:53] <ducasse> qswz: smplayer can handle both audio and video, and is light. for another light option that only handles music, try gmusicbrowser. excellent at handling large libraries.
[13:59] <xset> ikonia: VM installation with the same iso works flawless, so i guess something is wrong with the hardware
[14:03] <RonaldsMazitis> how to select template in gimp?
[14:04] <RonaldsMazitis> menu is locked
[14:11] <skinux> UNable to load private key https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/7039e119299ae4cbc14b236bd3475587
[14:13] <sobersabre> hi. I'm on a messed up xenial server.
[14:14] <sobersabre> I is now stuck at "Setting up apt (1.2.25)" for serveral minutes.
[14:14] <sobersabre> It's a rescue mode.
[14:14] <sobersabre> Seems what gets it stuck is apt-daily
[14:17] <qswz> ducasse: ok thanks
[14:19] <ioria> sobersabre, and why do you  have  1.2.25 ?
[14:19] <sobersabre> ioria: I suspect this server is totally messed up.
[14:20] <ioria> sobersabre, it's proposed, default is 1.2.24
[14:20] <sobersabre> is this a too new package ?
[14:20] <sobersabre> fu********
[14:20] <sobersabre> sorry
[14:20] <ioria> !info apt xenial
[14:20] <ducasse> qswz: gmusicbrowser is probably a lot better as a music player, so try that first
[14:21] <sobersabre> ioria: bless you ;)
[14:21] <ducasse> sobersabre: enabling -proposed on a server is not a good idea ;)
[14:21] <ioria> sobersabre,  ok
[14:23] <sobersabre> ducasse: tell me about it. I'm just a consultant fixing the stuff employees do.
[14:24] <sobersabre> no docs, of course.
[14:24] <ioria> !proposed
[14:25] <ioria> sobersabre,  i don't use proposed, i think you might disable those sources, apt update and sudo apt install -f
[14:26] <ducasse> you will need to purge -proposed packages manually
[14:26] <ducasse> ppa-purge can probably handle it
[14:26] <sobersabre> ducasse: I don't want to purge apt before I install older one.
[14:26] <ioria> yeah, but that pkg is apt
[14:26] <sobersabre> it's not a ppa
[14:26] <qswz> ok
[14:27] <sobersabre> I'm calling dpkg -i /paths/to/*.deb in question.
[14:27] <ducasse> sobersabre: doesn't need to be a ppa, look at the ppa-purge man page
[14:29] <xan_IT> hi, i know 17.10 is not stable but i can ask support for him?
[14:30] <ducasse> !17.10 | xan_IT
[14:31] <xan_IT> ok
[14:35] <sobersabre> I removed apt* packages via dpkg --remove.
[14:35] <sobersabre> It still gets stuck on "Setting up apt"
[14:35] <sobersabre> argh.
[14:35] <sobersabre> is it possibe some virtual fs is locked?
[14:37] <akik> sobersabre: why did you remove the apt* packages?
[14:37] <sobersabre> when running via: `dpkg --configure -a -D3`
[14:37] <sobersabre> I see the stucking happens at: fork/exec /var/lib/dpkg/info/apt.postinst (configure 1.2.18)
[14:37] <sobersabre> I guess that script hasn't been purged. right ?
[14:41] <aware-kind> I have a bug and want to know if I should report it. To reproduce it, bind keyboard shortcut super+alt+1 to anything in compiz (but make sure the corresponding plugin is enabled). Now press super+alt+1 but make sure you press super *first* and *then* alt. Now you see that Unity's dash captures the key-combo-press and doesn't let it pass to compiz.
[14:41] <aware-kind> The dash will open the first open window listed on the dash, as if you clicked Super+1. Should I report this bug or has it been reported already?
[14:41] <sobersabre> akik: ^^^ b/c the machine was a mix of stable vs proposed updates.
[14:42] <ioria> sobersabre, see if it helps : https://askubuntu.com/questions/768849/how-to-reverse-proposed-channel-package-upgrade
[14:45] <sobersabre> OKOK, I'm ok
[14:45] <sobersabre> apparently either service OR virtual fs was indeed missing, After getting out from rescue mode, now everything works.
[14:45] <sobersabre> I can finish the upgrade.
[14:46] <sobersabre> ioria: thanks for your most important tip about proposed.
[14:46] <sobersabre> I hate such bumps for an 1.5h
[14:46] <sobersabre> :(
[14:46] <ioria> sobersabre,  no problem, glad you made it
[14:46] <sobersabre> ioria: I had worse ;)
[14:47] <sobersabre> And I guess you had too :)
[14:47] <ioria> :yeah
[14:47] <sobersabre> it's just an acute case of PEBKAC
[14:47] <sobersabre> now the machine at least has stable package channels.
[14:47] <multifractal> I'm trying to follow these instructions https://www.ivpn.net/setup/gnu-linux-netman.html but at step 6 I can't "Choose a connection type window select Import a saved VPN configuration". My network manager looks like this https://imgur.com/a/fPGsr not like this https://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager
[14:47] <ioria> good
[14:47] <sobersabre> and I've installed etckeeper in case they decide to re-challenge me
[14:48] <multifractal> I have no option to import the saved configuration, as far as I can tell.
[14:48] <sobersabre> ioria: I'm not used to manually installed boxes any more.
[14:48] <sobersabre> :)
[14:48] <sobersabre> it's so 1999
[14:48] <ioria> sobersabre, wow
[14:48] <sobersabre> (even then we had cfengine)
[14:48] <jiffe> so I've got unattended-upgrades enabled, when I run it manually its saying there's nothing to upgrade, but running apt-get upgrade shows there's one package to upgrade.  unattended-upgrade -v doesn't show any blacklisted packages, any idea why unattended-upgrade isn't upgrading?
[14:49] <sobersabre> jiffe: just dig its conf files.
[14:49] <RalphBa> where is ubuntu gnome 17.10 daily build gone?
[14:49] <sobersabre> maybe it is configured to only take security
[14:50] <sobersabre> jiffe: you can check with apt list --upgradable
[14:50] <ducasse> jiffe: unattended-upgrades is probably only set to look for security upgrades
[14:51] <ducasse> RalphBa: look at the topic in #ubuntu+1
[14:52] <ducasse> jiffe: see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[14:52] <RalphBa> ducasse, I'm searching for ubuntu gnome, not ubuntu
[14:52] <jiffe> its set for updates also, but this package looks like its on a different repository in /etc/apt/sources.list.d so that's probably why
[14:54] <sobersabre> BTW when is 16.04.3 due to be released ?
[14:55] <ducasse> RalphBa: well, #ubuntu+1 is still the place to start
[15:01] <jiffe> yup I added that packages origin:suite to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades and its upgrading now, thanks
[15:01] <RalphBa> ducasse, thanks
[15:05] <BluesKaj> unattended upgrades runs in automode after you boot in ...it's pita that can be resolved by updating and upgrading daily on your own, just remove it
[15:06] <inflex> Evening all.  Trying to mount a Windows NTFS partition on an eMMC 32GB laptop. Finally managed to get Ubuntu to boot from USB by adding bootia32.efi in, but now instead of NTFS for the partition type, I just see "Microsoft basic data".  3g-ntfs is already loaded, so it's not a driver issue
[15:09] <ducasse> inflex: what error do you get when you try to mount?
[15:11] <akik> inflex: microsoft basic data is the partition type for ntfs when you use gpt
[15:12] <RalphBa> well I welcomed the decision of canonical to get more mainstream... that it would kill the vanilla gnome derivate... what should I say, bettering one mistake by doing another
[15:13] <akik> RalphBa: the vanilla gnome session is still available for ubuntu
[15:13] <inflex> akik, thanks.  I tried mounting it manually with "mount -t ntfs /dev/mmcblk1p3 win" but it couldn't find NTFS signature
[15:14] <aware-kind> I have a bug and want to know if I should report it. To reproduce it, bind keyboard shortcut super+alt+1 to anything in compiz (but make sure the corresponding plugin is enabled). Now press super+alt+1 but make sure you press super *first* and *then* alt. Now you see that Unity's dash captures the key-combo-press and doesn't let it pass to compiz.
[15:14] <aware-kind> Should I report it?
[15:14] <inflex> mm... maybe I should try ntfs-3g
[15:18] <inflex> @akik, I think I know what's happened... it appears to be a bitlocker encrypted parition *sigh*
[15:25] <jiffe> alright so ran into another one and I'm not sure why unattended-upgrades isn't upgrading mariadb: https://pb.jiffe.com/FFtXZ4vP7PnQhVq1sysemq  any idea?
[15:28] <inflex> @akik, solved it.   Loaded dislocker, you have to apply that first to the bitlocker partition, which then creates a "file" that you loopback mount to get to your decoded windows fs
[15:33] <jiffe> /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.accretive-networks.net_mariadb_repo_10.1_ubuntu_dists_xenial_InRelease doesn't have a Suite, not sure if that's a problem
[15:34] <jiffe> using "MariaDB:*"; worked
[15:37] <superherointj> Hello. I am using a PPA and it worked fine. But now Ubuntu was upgraded and it stopped working. Because it seems the PPA it is for an older version. How can I get the PPA upgraded to current version so I can keep using it?
[15:37] <superherointj> *was
[15:39] <iffraff1> Hi, is there any way that I can get a custom grid form my desktop where apps snap to a certain part.  Right now I can have the screen cut in 4 but I need to customize that
[15:39] <RalphBa> akik but not as independent self sustaining entity
[15:42] <BluesKaj> superherointj, installing a ppa is meant to be temporary, there are no upgrades from ppas, therefor they should be removed from the sources.;ist.d immediately after use
[15:42] <BluesKaj> sources.list.d
[15:43] <superherointj> Oh.
[15:43] <superherointj> Then I don't have a solution. :(
[15:45] <akik> RalphBa: i don't quite follow you. i remember reading that the ubuntu gnome devs are still developing gnome inside canonical
[15:46] <iffraff1> I guess what I need is a compositing windows manager, does anyone know about these?
[15:47] <RalphBa> akik, yes but now they are not independent anymore. the ubuntu desktop team never had my trust since the mess with unity
[15:47] <RalphBa> its like beeing back at that times ubuntu left the common path
[15:48] <akik> RalphBa: the changes don't help the linux ui fragmentation at all
[15:50] <VoteTrump2016> is donald trump going to start world war 3?
[15:50] <RalphBa> akik, the changes?
[15:50] <StrangeNoises> superherointj, upgrading ppas to the new distro works fine; you can use the software & updates tool, or just edit the files in /etc/apt/sources.d by hand, change the name of the old distro to the new one and re-enable. but you may want to check the ppa *has* packages for the new distro
[15:50] <StrangeNoises> version
[15:51] <superherointj> It doesn't have packages for the new distro. (https://launchpad.net/~avsm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa)
[15:53] <StrangeNoises> then you're screwed :-) although in this case it's probably because the newer distros actually have newer versions of the packages. so you should be getting those versions anyway
[15:55] <StrangeNoises> certainly 17.10 has newer versions of all those
[15:55] <akik> RalphBa: i meant this transformation into unity and now moving to non-vanilla gnome
[15:55] <StrangeNoises> suspect everything since wily does too :-)
[15:55] <lfowlr> he
[15:55] <lfowlr> how do I list my ppas
[15:55] <lfowlr> to select the right one using hte cli
[15:55] <lfowlr> don't know the name of hte ppas
[15:56] <lfowlr> and how do I insalll tox software j-for chat
[15:57] <lfowlr> tell me guys
[16:00] <iffraff1> test am I showing up?
[16:00] <Seveas> iffraff1: no, you're completely invisible :)
[16:00] <iffraff1> sweet!  that's what I was hoping
[16:01] <Seveas> !i3
[16:01] <Seveas> hmm. iffraff1 you're looking for i3 :)
[16:02] <iffraff1> Seveas: my sense is that I3 sort of takes over your desktop experience. I would like to keep my task bar and usual ubuntu experience but add the ability to have snap to regons
[16:02] <RalphBa> akik, agree
[16:02] <RalphBa> completely
[16:03] <cybermaster> Hey
[16:03] <cybermaster> I'm having trouble with an HP netbook with the screen brigthness.
[16:03] <cybermaster> It has an AMD chip.n
[16:05] <cybermaster> Anyone
[16:07] <ducasse> iffraff1: there is a tiling extension for gnome, if that's what you're using
[16:08] <iffraff1> ducasse:  does it basically let you specify regions on your screen the snap to those regions?
[16:08] <kostkon> cybermaster, have you tried the acpi_backlight=vendor fix?
[16:11] <ducasse> iffraff1: never used it, i just know it exists. i think it's called 'shellshape'
[16:12] <iffraff1> cool, thanks
[16:13] <cybermaster> kostkon I think I did, but I will double check.
[16:36] <untoreh> the "latency offset" option in pulseaudio...plus is ahead and minus is delayed ?
[16:37] <cybermaster> untoreh what?
[16:38] <ducasse> untoreh: sounds reasonable, where do you see this option?
[16:39] <untoreh> cybermaster: pavucontrol, but you can also change it with pactl set-port-latency-offset
[16:41] <untoreh> i have a bluetooth soundcard but it is seen as an actual usb soundcard and not a bluez virtual soundcard so I think I have to set the latency offset manually
[16:41] <ducasse> untoreh: then it should be documented in the pactl man page, i expect
[16:43] <untoreh> ducasse: already read it does not explain plus and minus
[16:43] <Delta706> Is there a way to configure things so that there is a special value of DISPLAY that puts the X window on the 2nd workspace
[16:44] <ducasse> Delta706: no, DISPLAY has no understanding of or connection to workspaces
[16:44] <ducasse> try wmctrl or devilspie
[16:45] <Delta706> wmctrl only moves it afterwards. I would like to have the window not appear on the 1st workspace
[16:47] <ducasse> then try devilspie, which would move it as soon as it appears. your wm might also have a built-in way to do this.
[16:48] <Delta706> devilpie has the same problem
[16:49] <ducasse> in my experience i've never really seen the window get mapped before it gets moved, it's your best option if the wm can't do it, though
[16:50] <Delta706> I am using unity. Can unity do it?
[16:51] <ducasse> possibly, that would be a compiz thing i imagine. try compizconfig-settings-manager.
[16:51] <Delta706> yes, I have tried ccsm
[16:54] <ducasse> ok, then i'm out of suggestions.
[16:56] <cybermaster> koston Tried the acpi_backlight thing in grub
[16:56] <cybermaster> Didn't work
[16:59] <cybermaster> Ban on me?
[17:10] <VoteTrump2016> Why cant we just destroy north korea right now?
[17:11] <aware-kind> VoteTrump2016: I know you're trolling, but because innocent people live there? Also you shouldn't obsess with watching the news so much. Eventually it becomes your complete reality
[17:15] <VoteTrump2016> (.)_(.)
[17:16] <VoteTrump2016> boobies!
[17:25] <jean_brat> Hi
[17:27] <jean_brat> every time i restart the system or boot the system. i am not getting connected to the internet. it requires me to reboot the modem as well to get connected
[17:27] <qswz> reminds me when I was 14
[17:34] <ubangoboi> Where are the broadcom wifi drivers of my macbook air located? i wanna copy the drivers and paste them in my new antergos setup as I cant find the drivers for it
[17:36] <tomreyn> ubangoboi: how's this ubuntu related?
[17:39] <ducasse> ubangoboi: the drivers need to be built for your kernel, so talk to antergos support
[17:40] <ubangoboi> someone told me i could just copy the folder. Im just stupid I guess
[17:43] <ducasse> you didn't know this, that's all
[17:44] <dm_comp> hi, I'm on 17.10 in Files I'm missing the side panel Home Doc Dow etc?
[17:45] <ducasse> !17.10 | dm_comp
[17:59] <Bischoop> Hi
[18:26] <lfowlr> hi
[18:26] <lfowlr> how do I create a new desktop the same as unity but in tty2
[18:26] <lfowlr> I already have a new account or user
[18:26] <lfowlr> but how do I login simulatenously with it
[18:30] <lfowlr> hello??
[18:32] <erle-> does fsck.ext4 work online?
[18:33] <Seveas> it can not repair everything online, but it can check everything online
[18:35] <Seveas> lfowlr: ps aux | grep Xorg
[18:35] <Seveas> the :0 and vt7 are key
[18:37] <jeremies> if your ubuntu has automatic updates and your pc suddenly turns off, ubuntu automatically recovers the stop of update without saying anything?
[18:38] <erle-> Seveas, thank you very much
[18:39] <lfowlr> yes but
[18:39] <erle-> > /dev/sdc1 is mounted.
[18:39] <erle-> > e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
[18:39] <lfowlr> Seveas: I want to open another DE at the same time
[18:39] <lfowlr> in another virtual consoel
[18:42] <jeremies> if your ubuntu has automatic updates and your pc suddenly turns off, ubuntu automatically recovers the stop of update without saying anything?
[18:43] <akik> lfowlr: for example "startx mate-session -- :1"
[18:47] <Bashing-om> lfowlr: I do that in xfce4 , I can not vouch for any other DE .
[18:50] <lfowlr> akik: what's that :1
[18:51] <akik> lfowlr: your default display is :0
[18:53] <Seveas> erle-: -n
[18:54] <lfowlr> it starts unity ; startx /usr/bin/unity
[18:54] <lfowlr> but there is no up bar, for shutdown ,etc and even mouse is like a cross scissors
[18:56] <akik> lfowlr: which desktop environment were you using originally?
[18:58] <bencc> what is recommended on a new VPS? "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[18:58] <tomreyn> the latter two look pretty similar
[18:59] <bencc> sorry, "apt-get full-upgrade"
[18:59] <tomreyn> if your APT sources are properly configured (they are on a default ubuntu installation from an ISO), you can safely run apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:00] <bencc> tomreyn: I'm using digitalocean or linode
[19:00] <zykotick9> bencc: fyi dist-upgrade and full-upgrade are the same thing...
[19:01] <tomreyn> bencc: i don't claim to know every hosting providers' default ubuntu image in their current versions
[19:01] <lfowlr> hey guys
[19:01] <bencc> ok, I'll use dist-upgrade
[19:01] <lfowlr> how do I copy the data from one tty to the next
[19:02] <tomreyn> lfowlr: you could store to a file or fifo, transfer via network.
[19:02] <lfowlr> in /tmp?
[19:02] <tomreyn> ...or write to a unix domain socket
[19:02] <lfowlr> how
[19:03] <tomreyn> listen on, and write to, that is
[19:04] <akik> lfowlr: if you mean the virtual consoles, you can install gpm which makes mouse copy paste possible
[19:05] <captain_morgan> amongst several related problems I have, I realized I cannot right click on my titlebars, someone suggested that they're spawning behind the window, anyone seen something like this before?
[19:05] <tomreyn> lfowlr: sockets: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man1/socket.1.html
[19:07] <lfowlr> I get logged out when I join another tty?
[19:07] <lfowlr> so can't??
[19:07] <lfowlr> why
[19:07] <lfowlr> how
[19:08] <lfowlr> I am afraid it willl happen again
[19:09] <akik> lfowlr: your xorg session is at ctrl+alt+f7
[19:09] <lfowlr> yes, but I got logged out
[19:10] <lfowlr> akik: /
[19:10] <akik> lfowlr: try again. you probably can't start two unity sessions
[19:10] <Bashing-om> !info screen | lfowlr
[19:11] <ioria> compiz it's the issue , i guess
[19:13] <lfowlr> lol
[19:13] <lfowlr> that's strange, because with i3 I cn start two i3 sessions.
[19:13] <lfowlr> no I need gui
[19:13] <lfowlr> not shit tmux
[19:15] <akik> even though tmux wasn't suggested. every. time.
[19:16] <akik> lfowlr: so you have i3 as the first desktop environment and you try to start unity as the second one?
[19:17] <lfowlr> no in arch linux i3 worked, two instance, but in ubuntu two instances of unity don't wokr
[19:17] <akik> lfowlr: unity is not i3
[19:18] <lfowlr> ok. so are you sure we can't have two instances of unity running? what about unity-* in /usr/bin
[19:18] <lfowlr> so it's impossible?
[19:19] <akik> lfowlr: i don't know. i know kde and mate work together
[19:20] <akik> i.e. no conflicts
[19:34] <Toba> so I made the mistake of installing the amdgpu-pro drivers on my system and also messing up my bios a few months ago... just rescued the machine today with a lot of RTC resetting and then removing packages
[19:34] <Toba> Several packages were held back including libinput0
[19:34] <Toba> the last thing I did before rebooting just now was to reinstall libinput0 and update all the packages to the latest 16.04
[19:35] <Toba> Now I'm sitting at a prompt for the full disk encryption passphrase (the default ubuntu one) and my keyboard doesn't work anymore.
[19:35] <Toba> I guess it's time to make a bootable USB and try to fix it somehow... anyone seen this situation before and know what went wrong?
[19:36] <Toba> On the upside, I didn't really have any files I care about on the machine... I could just reinstall the whole OS fresh, I guess
[19:37] <tomreyn> this sounds broken enough that a reinstall may be worth it.
[19:37] <Bashing-om> Toba: As a thought . try changing in bios the USB device to "legacy" . See if then what bios hnads off is acceptable by grub .
[19:39] <cybermaster> Need help with screen brightness.
[19:39] <cybermaster> Already tried the acpi line in grub file. Any other ideas?
[19:42] <ioria> cybermaster, can't you set it with xrandr ?
[19:43] <cybermaster> ioria - Is that a xbacklight replacement?
[19:43] <ioria> cybermaster, nope
[19:44] <ioria> cybermaster, xrandr --verbose | grep -i brightness | cut -f2 -d ' '
[19:44] <cybermaster> Thanks ioria
[19:44] <ioria> cybermaster, ok
[19:46] <cybermaster> Do I need to reboot?
[19:46] <Toba> weirdly enough, a reboot prompted me for the passphrase in a text-console version of the normally somewhat graphical UI that prompts for the password, and then the system booted
[19:47] <ioria> cybermaster, for what ? than cmd just shows your current brightness
[19:47] <Toba> Probably an artifact of having still had a few of the AMDGPU-pro driver packages installed, and having only rebooted the one time since uninstalling a bunch of it
[19:47] <cybermaster> ioria - Oh
[19:47] <cybermaster> It didn't output anything.
[19:47] <Toba> gonna dist-upgrade it and reboot again, if it's still acting up i will just do a fresh install
[19:47] <cybermaster> Oh, wait it did 1.0
[19:47] <Toba> it was on xenial, upgrading to zesty currently
[19:47] <ioria> cybermaster, yep
[19:48] <cybermaster> ioria So I can use xandr to increase the brightness?
[19:48] <ioria> cybermaster, yes, if you want to change it : xrandr --output <myscrteen>  --brightness <value>
[19:49] <cybermaster> Myscreteen?
[19:50] <cybermaster> What do you put in <myscreteen> ioria?
[19:50] <ioria> cybermaster, xrandr | grep -w connected | awk '{print $1}'
[19:51] <ioria> cybermaster, what's the output ?
[19:51] <cybermaster> LVDS
[19:51] <cybermaster> Thanks ioria
[19:51] <ioria> cybermaster, ok
[19:53] <lfowlr> is tmux good or screen? which is the better?
[19:53] <lfowlr> and easy if possile
[19:54] <kk4ewt> you need to try both and see which works the best for you and your applicaiton
[19:56] <Gamoder_> Hi everyone, in Ubuntu 16.04, is it possible to copy/paste directories  in the "select file" dialogue?
[19:56] <Gamoder_> not actually copy files, I mean copy/paste the path
[19:56] <code_> Hey
[19:57] <lfowlr> kk4ewt: no tell me
[19:58] <code_> ioria that command just washed out the screen colors.
[19:58] <code_> Had to reboot computer.
[19:58] <ioria> code_, really ?
[19:58] <code_> yes
[19:58] <ioria> code_,  that's unfortunate
[19:58] <code_> What does that mean ioria?
[19:59] <ioria> code_,  that is unfortunate
[19:59] <code_> Lol
[19:59] <code_> Ok
[19:59] <code_> What else could I try ioria?
[19:59] <ioria> code_,  idk, dwhat do you suggest ?
[20:01] <pauljw> Gamoder_, the only way I know to do something like that is to rt click the folder, go to properties and then highlight the location and copy it that way.
[20:02] <code_> ioria, Idk that's why I'm on here! LOL!
[20:02] <Gamoder_> pauljw: well, I would like the other way around: got the path from somewhere and want to open this file / a file in that folder
[20:04] <pauljw> sorry, idk
[20:07] <pauljw> Gamoder_, how about the "Go" menu item and enter a location
[20:13] <lfowlr> which is the binaries in /usr/bin to open the gnome terminal?
[20:17] <xorpad> how do I permenantly change the vm.swappiness varible?
[20:17] <xorpad> i use sysctl vm.swapiness=0 but it doesn't last, resets after reboot
[20:18] <akik> xorpad: /etc/sysctl.conf
[20:18] <xorpad> thank you akik
[20:18] <tomreyn> xorpad: or create a file in /etc/sysctl.d/
[20:19] <xorpad> thank you guys
[20:19] <xorpad> it was getting annoying to be working from swap when i still had 10gb free ram
[20:21] <lfowlr> there is a script gnome-terminal
[20:22] <lfowlr> so how do I execute it graphically?
[20:22] <lfowlr> when I click it it opens in the gedit
[20:22] <lfowlr> anyone?
[20:22] <baxx> will the software center download any updates that apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade wouldn't?
[20:24] <DrManhattan> baxx, the kernel
[20:24] <DrManhattan> I think the software center is more like a dist-upgrade
[20:24] <baxx> DrManhattan: the kernel would be updated by software centre but *not* by apt from cli?
[20:25] <DrManhattan> baxx, gotta use dist-upgrade to upgrade the kernel via apt
[20:25] <DrManhattan> at least in my experience
[20:25] <lfowlr> anyone/ is here to tell me ow to execute a script graphically?
[20:25] <baxx> hm ok, i thought they were the same thing for some reason
[20:26] <baxx> so in general people have software & updates running, and choose " OK " when it pops up?
[20:26] <kostkon> baxx, they are the same thing. One exception though: phased updates -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/544256/why-does-software-updater-say-no-updates-available-but-apt-get-upgrade-shows-up
[20:27] <baxx> oh... so some things only apt will get, and somethings only software & update will get, so that one needs to run both?
[20:27] <DrManhattan> kostkon, what about the kernel upgrades?
[20:27] <DrManhattan> apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade my kernel, but software center
[20:27] <DrManhattan> does
[20:29] <kostkon> DrManhattan, I'm not sure what's happening in your case
[20:29] <DrManhattan> strange
[20:29] <baxx> kostkon: so running apt-get update; apt-get upgrade should cover everything the GUI popup update has to offer?
[20:29] <DrManhattan> maybe b/c I went to HWE kernel o stable?
[20:30] <DrManhattan> on
[20:34] <kostkon> baxx, more or less. Even better with apt-get dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade
[20:34] <baxx> kostkon: how often would one run dist-upgrade, ?
[20:35] <lfowlr> hey guys
[20:35] <lfowlr> how do I execute a script graphically/
[20:35] <lfowlr> using mouse
[20:36] <baxx> kostkon: apparently they do exactly the same thing btw , apt full-grade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:36] <kostkon> baxx, you don't need to (do it manually), just accept the updates when your updater pop-ups now and then
[20:36] <EriC^^> lfowlr: make a desktop file for it, or let the file manager run on double click
[20:39] <kostkon> baxx, apt is a more user-friendly version of apt-get
[20:40] <xorpad> apt is less functional though
[20:41] <xorpad> it's got nicer output and works for most stuff, but apt-get adds some things to the mix
[20:41] <baxx> xorpad: so apt is preferred, and if it doesn't work then apt-get , ?
[20:42] <baxx> software-update asks for a system restart, I seem to remember reading somewhere that a restart wasn't needed for software installs on Linux ( like it often is on windows )
[20:44] <tomreyn> baxx: that's usually correct, but there are some softwares which do require a restart, sometimes legimately, sometimes not, but it's difficult to tell those situations apart programmatically.
[20:45] <Bashing-om> baxx: maybe this : https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/ will start to explain .
[20:45] <tomreyn> baxx: namely, updates to kernel images and libc require reboots to apply.
[20:47] <Katronix> hi all, can someone look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/25703001/ does Operation not permitted, this mean that the port is blocked?
[20:51] <tomreyn> Katronix: the system trying to send those packets is under restrictions which disallos such packets to be sent.
[20:52] <tomreyn> this can be for various reasons, it's not that easy to tell. usually you'll see such in a VM or container which has network capability restrictions applied against it.
[20:53] <Katronix> okay, from the server I'm trying to test localhost:8000 can open via a web browser, but externally it times out. I've told ufw to open the port, anything else I can do?
[20:53] <tomreyn> Katronix: you could use netcat to test
[20:54] <tomreyn> from a remote host: nc -vv ip_address_of_your_server 8000
[20:56] <Katronix> came back as connection refused
[20:57] <tomreyn> Katronix so something between the client running nc and the server at ip_address_of_your_server:8000 is actively rejecting connection attempts
[21:02] <lfowlr> EriC^^: when i right click there is no run this thing option?? that's my problem so how do I run it graphically?
[21:03] <lfowlr> how will the nautilus run this file? it only opens it
[21:03] <lfowlr> anyone knows how to run a file as a program using mouse?
[21:03] <lfowlr> and bash file
[21:05] <kostkon> lfowlr, have you made it an executable?
[21:08] <GlobalAtom> how do i get apfs to work in ubuntu
[21:08] <GlobalAtom> i need to mount a apfs partiton
[21:09] <kostkon> GlobalAtom, the new apple fs?
[21:09] <GlobalAtom> yes
[21:11] <GlobalAtom> so no one knows
[21:13] <lfowlr> kostkon: it has executble permisson, and it's a file
[21:13] <lfowlr> kostkon: what do you mean, ./file works fine
[21:14] <kostkon> lfowlr, just make a desktop file for it and place it in ~/.local/share/applications
[21:14] <kostkon> lfowlr, or just keep it on your desktop
[21:15] <kostkon> lfowlr, keep the desktop file and "hide" that executable file somewhere, eg. rename it from filename to .filename, etc.
[21:16] <GlobalAtom> thx everyone!
[21:21] <kostkon> lfowlr, make sure you set Terminal=true in your desktop file
[21:22] <kostkon> lfowlr, if you want to keep an terminal window open that will show the output of your script
[22:12] <hoshimeguri> hi guys, so uh, i have a problem here:
[22:13] <hoshimeguri> i'm running lubuntu 16.04.2 on a laptop with intel pentium n3710 (braswell), 4gb ram and 128gb ssd. i have posted this question on #lubuntu, but i thought i'd just post it here as well
[22:14] <hoshimeguri> the thing is, whenever i go on youtube and play 1080p videos, it either lags so hard or plays smoothly for several minutes and the next thing i know, my computer has come to a complete stop and i have no choice but to hold the power button for several seconds to shut it down
[22:17] <debsan> hoshimeguri, did you configure a swap partition ?
[22:18] <hoshimeguri> there is swap, partition 3, 4.2gb
[22:19] <hoshimeguri> sometimes when booting, it doesn't even reach the login screen. some other times, i'm just running some non-intensive tasks at the same time and it freezes and i have to hold the power button to turn it off. i've tried intel_max.cstate 1, using the intel microcode and reverted it back, disabling hardware acceleration and turning it back on.... none really helped
[22:19] <hoshimeguri> my firmware is 4.10 if that helps
[22:21] <hoshimeguri> oh and this laptop originally came with ubuntu 14.04 preinstalled but i removed it in favour of lubuntu because ubuntu felt so slow for some reason. but given the specs, is it really *that* slow? i honestly don't think so
[22:35] <hoshimeguri> strangely though, it breezed through the 1080p mkv files that i throw on it. they're typically around 3000kbps in bitrate
[23:14] <tosmann> hoshimeguri: that's an Atom CPU you have there, and one of the slower ones. Expect Atom to have even _less_ performance than a Celeron version of the fully fledged CPU.
[23:16] <hoshimeguri> umm... an atom? i thought it was pentium
[23:20] <reisio> fewer performance
[23:21] <hoshimeguri> this particular laptop of mine came with 2 versions: one with celeron n3050, one with pentium n3710. mine's the latter
[23:23] <bloop> why don't this launcher work
[23:23] <bloop> it's in /usr/share/applications
[23:23] <bloop> the command is correct
[23:24] <bloop> and why aren't ~/.local/share/applications added to the dashboard recent application list
[23:26] <reisio> hoshimeguri: cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you, anyway
[23:27] <hoshimeguri> yep. intel pentium n3710 @ 1.6ghz, boost-able to 2.6ghz
[23:28] <hoshimeguri> and it's a quad core
[23:29] <hoshimeguri> of course i won't expect it to do intensive video editing and gaming, but playing 1080p videos?
[23:33] <reisio> heheh
[23:33] <reisio> formerlly code named bras well
[23:33] <reisio> :p
[23:34] <reisio> hoshimeguri: well, let me ask you this
[23:34] <reisio> did your computer with an n3710 processor even come with a monitor that can do 1080 res?
[23:36] <hoshimeguri> well, no, but i watch on 1080p because the 720p is low for me
[23:37] <hoshimeguri> *720p is too low for me
[23:38] <wasutton3_battle> so im working on trying to get a python3 script to run when i suspend and resume.
[23:38] <mattfly> hi
[23:39] <mattfly> i have a tv connected to my ubuntu laptop using a lan cable, how can i share my network to the tv?
[23:39] <mattfly> from command line
[23:39] <reisio> mattfly: with significant education
[23:39] <reisio> or simply via networkmanager's GUI
[23:39] <reisio> hoshimeguri: nothing to do with my question
[23:39] <wasutton3_battle> https://ptpb.pw/Wla9 thats the sleep/resume script i have in /lib/systemd/system-sleep/00-denon
[23:39] <mattfly> i dont have clie network managers
[23:39] <mattfly> gui*
[23:40] <reisio> bummer
[23:40] <reisio> why not
[23:40] <mattfly> i dont
[23:40] <mattfly> i have one but didnt work
[23:41] <hoshimeguri> reisio: i know, but i'm simply explaining why i'm watching 1080p video on 1366x768 screen
[23:41] <hoshimeguri> is that really the reason why it crashes?
[23:42] <wasutton3_battle> i've got the python scripts chmodded and accessable by any user, but they still dont' seem to be executing, is there something i have to execute to let systemd know about the new script?
[23:42] <reisio> hoshimeguri: ah, well
[23:42] <reisio> 768 is only 48 pixels greater than 720
[23:42] <reisio> so 720 should look perfect
[23:42] <reisio> wasutton3_battle: when do you want them to execute, & why?
[23:43] <wasutton3_battle> i want poweroff to execute when suspending, because it turns off the amplifier the computer is connected to
[23:43] <wasutton3_battle> i want power on to excecute when waking up for the same reason
[23:43] <reisio> mmm
[23:43] <reisio> sorry I only know proper sysvinit
[23:44] <reisio> try asking #systemd
[23:44] <hoshimeguri> so.... my laptop crashes because it tries to play a 1080p video on an hd screen? or are you saying that the workaround is simply to settle on 720p instead?
[23:44] <reisio> no
[23:45] <reisio> 1080p is a waste on your laptop, whether it crashes or not
[23:45] <reisio> you say it crashes when you play a video?
[23:45] <reisio> describe this 'crash'?
[23:45] <wasutton3_battle> reisio, im open to other solutions as well, if you can implent them given a workin 17.04 installation
[23:46] <reisio> the init system is a good way to do it, I just don't know systemd
[23:46] <reisio> because it's dumb
[23:46] <wasutton3_battle> systemd isn't dumb. its just not terribly unixy, it solves a LOT of problems that existed prior
[23:47] <hoshimeguri> reisio: not just playing a video. sometimes it won't even boot to the login screen, sometimes just doing several non-intensive asks at the same time would bring it to a complete stop, then i have to hold the power button to turn it off
[23:47] <wasutton3_battle> hoshimeguri, what gpu does it have in it?
[23:48] <hoshimeguri> hd graphics 405
[23:48] <reisio> hoshimeguri: sounds like it's overheating
[23:48] <reisio> hoshimeguri: send it back
[23:48] <reisio> you could check the temp regularly to confirm
[23:48] <hoshimeguri> how do i check the temps, btw? as you can see, i'm new
[23:48] <reisio> is it a republic of gaming laptop?
[23:48] <wasutton3_battle> nah, something else is up
[23:49] <hoshimeguri> i think it's not the temps, but i can't be really sure
[23:49] <reisio> it could be the storage, too
[23:49] <reisio> try using a live OS for the same duration
[23:49] <reisio> that would only use RAM
[23:50] <wasutton3_battle> reisio, that doesn't work unless you use the --to-ram option. which, afaik hasn't existed on livecds for a LONG time
[23:50] <reisio> that is actually the only way any live OS ever works
[23:51] <hoshimeguri> alright, will try later. and uh i'm also pretty sure the installation is not corrupt because running sudo debsums -cs on it yields nothing
[23:51] <wasutton3_battle> no, it still uses the device its installed on (CD/DVD/USB/Floppy)
[23:51] <wasutton3_battle> just not as much as the ram
[23:51] <reisio> you're either overheating or your storage is locking up, or some more awful form of broken hardware
[23:51] <reisio> if you have time you can replace hardware bits to find out; otherwise return it
[23:51] <Loshki> wasutton3_battle: there used to be at least one live CD/DVD that let you boot and then remove the DVD so you could boot live and then use it to burn something. Knoppix?
[23:52] <reisio> wasutton3_battle: all I heard from those msgs was that you agree it uses ram
[23:52] <reisio> which it does
[23:52] <wasutton3_battle> yep, that was knoppix's claim to fame
[23:52] <wasutton3_battle> reisio, well then you need to re-read my messages. because theres a lot more in there then what you read
[23:52] <Loshki> Well, I needed that Knoppix functionality at least once in my life.
[23:53] <wasutton3_battle> hoshimeguri, its probably not hardware. IIRC HD graphics 405 is relatively new, i.e. skylake era?
[23:53] <reisio> wasutton3_battle: pass
[23:53] <wasutton3_battle> Loshki, i've still got damn small linux floating around somewhere
[23:53] <hoshimeguri> wasutton3_battle: the soc was announced april 2016
[23:54] <hoshimeguri> yeah, i think it's around skylake era
[23:54] <wasutton3_battle> right, and iirc, there were some kernel issues with the latest intel processors (idk if that pentium is based on that particular architecture)
[23:55] <wasutton3_battle> what version of *buntu are you running?
[23:55] <hoshimeguri> that suggested me to use intel_max.cstate, right?
[23:55] <wasutton3_battle> that im not sure
[23:55] <hoshimeguri> uhh, lubuntu 16.04.2 on kernel 4.10
[23:56] <hoshimeguri> man, i admit i'm a newbie, but this is just odd....
[23:56] <wasutton3_battle> hoshimeguri, the last time you did an update? and are you on 16.04 for LTS support?.
[23:56] <wasutton3_battle> hoshimeguri, no worries we were all newbies once.
[23:57] <hoshimeguri> yes i am on 16.04 for lts support. last time was yesterday, can't exactly remember when
[23:57] <reisio> no such thing as long term support
[23:57] <reisio> just long term putting off of updates
[23:57] <bazhang> reisio, yes there is
[23:57] <reisio> nope
[23:57] <wasutton3_battle> hoshimeguri, hmmm i wonder if those changes got backported
[23:57] <bazhang> reisio, please dont spread that
[23:58] <reisio> I don't even have any toast, bazhang
[23:58] <wasutton3_battle> reisio, if you want to continue this, i suggest you go emerge world for a few hours
[23:58] <reisio> wasutton3_battle: good idea
[23:58] <bazhang> reisio, take the chatter and off brand humor elsewhere
[23:58] <reisio> bazhang: you brought up spreading things, not me
[23:59] <bazhang> reisio, I wont ask again, keep it simply topical, not the extended editorializing
[23:59] <hoshimeguri> wasutton3_battle: in software & updates i unchecked xenial-backports because the phrase "unsupported updates" scares me lol
[23:59] <cmdbit> join #perl
[23:59] <wasutton3_battle> hoshimeguri, i hate to say it, but the backports needed might be in those. i'm not 100% certain though
[23:59] <reisio> bazhang: you haven't asked once yet, you great ignoramus