[01:25] <lapo> hi
[01:25] <lapo> er, hi
[01:26] <andreasn> hello again lapo
[01:28] <lapo> ciao andreasn
[06:54] <klepas> moin
[08:10] <justin__k> hi all, as anyone put their hand up for art team leader yet?
[08:10] <justin__k> i nominate pascal
[09:42] <kamstrup> Does anybody here know if there are performance differences between metacity themes?
[09:42] <kamstrup> I wan't a really light one.
[09:42] <kamstrup> for the SandSkater theme
[09:52] <artnay> kamstrup: there is some performance issues with some themes, which ones are you thinking?
[09:52] <artnay> klepas: hey :)
[09:53] <kamstrup> artnay: I have a few in mind. CHeck https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SandSkater
[09:54] <kamstrup> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/SandSkater
[09:54] <kamstrup> that was
[09:56] <artnay> I'm quite sure it will be quite lightweight no matter which one you choose of those
[09:58] <artnay> kamstrup: if bg is too much for computer, maybe one should use something like IceWM or *box :p
[09:59] <kamstrup> No way artnay :)
[09:59] <kamstrup> I'm running Gnome on my 700MHz box
[10:00] <kamstrup> A solid background gives a pretty noticable speed gain
[10:00] <kamstrup> as does the thinice gtk engine
[10:00] <kamstrup> :)
[10:00] <kamstrup> Things are pretty snappy infact
[10:00] <artnay> I'm on P3 500 MHz & 128 MB now
[10:00] <kamstrup> hehe
[10:01] <kamstrup> You know the feeling then
[10:01] <artnay> damn it's taking long from asus to replace mobo
[10:06] <artnay> have you guys found any performance tests between SVG and PNG rendering on low-end computers?
[10:07] <artnay> I've seen some tests but they were run on fast computer (> 2 GHz)
[10:07] <kamstrup> hmmm
[10:07] <kamstrup> no
[10:07] <kamstrup> do you have any ideas on how to do that?
[10:07] <artnay> generally PNG should be more ideal to your project
[10:08] <kamstrup> I would guess so
[10:08] <kamstrup> but I'm not sure
[10:10] <kamstrup> Still Life is png, and has some of the qualities I'm looking for.
[10:10] <artnay> too bad it's not offered as SVGs, too
[10:10] <kamstrup> it will require a good deal of work to get into shape
[10:10] <kamstrup> yes
[10:10] <kamstrup> that would ease modifications
[10:13] <artnay> maybe you could ask the author for SVG/XCF/PSD
[10:14] <artnay> shouldn't we create a subcategory for proposed themes?
[10:14] <artnay> to wiki
[10:14] <artnay> I mean, wiki is quite a chaos at the moment IMHO
[10:15] <artnay> and henrik mentioned removing ToDo list... I think that would be a bad idea since there's no any other page that covers all the information
[10:15] <artnay> that's why there should be separate pages for different *buntus
[10:16] <artnay> no offence but I think we should renew many parts of /Artwork
[10:18] <artnay> is there really any reason to have a separate official section? why isn't the new icon set covered there? is it official? that kind of questions might raise to people new to ubuntu-artwork
[10:18] <artnay> btw, who is working on that icon set? tigert?
[10:19] <artnay> AndyFitz: do you happen to have any idea of that? :o
[10:20] <artnay> I find it rather funny that they ask people to send comments to artwork team when artwork team is as much informed as anybody else
[10:20] <artnay> lapo: I see you've been highlighting me ~a week ago :o
[10:54] <artnay> I'm quite surprised while reading ubuntu-artwork ML (march list)
[10:54] <artnay> have you checked the archive?
[11:08] <andreasn> artnay: drew what theme?
[11:09] <artnay> andreasn: umh, pardon?
[11:09] <andreasn> "btw, who is working on that icon set? tigert?"
[11:09] <artnay> yeah, the official icon set which came out of blue
[11:10] <klepas> andreasn: someone hired
[11:10] <klepas> by canonical
[11:10] <artnay> from scandinavia as has been said earlier (a month ago)
[11:10] <andreasn> I have no idea who it is, but it's not tigert. He's working for Nokia now
[11:10] <artnay> my guess it's tigert since he's past is somewhat gnome and art centric and he's from finland (scandinavia)
[11:11] <artnay> but one could always have some hobbyist projects on freetime, if it's a passion ;9
[11:11] <andreasn> I think tigert would have refused doing anything else but a tango-set
[11:11] <artnay> it's surprising what money can do
[11:12] <andreasn> but if it is him, he hasn't mentioned it at all
[11:12] <artnay> there's such thing as NDA
[11:12] <artnay> but that goes against CoC
[11:12] <artnay> lots of nice acronyms, umh
[11:13] <klepas> have you guys had a look at the proposed theme packages that the art team could begin and maintain?
[11:13] <klepas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/AdditionalThemes
[11:14] <andreasn> Tango also has a Thunderbird theme, but I wasn't sure if I should add that or not
[11:14] <artnay> klepas: sure have
[11:14] <andreasn> to the wiki-page
[11:14] <klepas> andreasn: add it to the list
[11:15] <artnay> but the thing is, that we're already three months late
[11:15] <klepas> i want to put myself forth as a maintainer/leader/person who works on a complete Tango package for Ubuntu
[11:15] <andreasn> klepas: sound great!
[11:15] <klepas> so everything from GDM to splash to GTK to Metacity to Firefox and Thunderbird themes... etc.
[11:15] <klepas> and wallpapers
[11:15] <klepas> and finally, of course the icon set
[11:16] <andreasn> a lot of apps are starting to use tango upstream now
[11:16] <andreasn> latest f-spot, banshee etc.
[11:16] <klepas> we also want to decide on a new art team leadeer
[11:17] <artnay> klepas: there's no reason to decide it now
[11:17] <klepas> not right now
[11:17] <klepas> but within the next week
[11:17] <artnay> once someone who has all the time and skill to be responsible comes out, then it's time
[11:17] <artnay> at the moment there really doesn't seem to such person
[11:18] <artnay> at least not on IRC
[11:18] <klepas> artnay: yourself?
[11:18] <artnay> klepas: sorry, I doubt that big time
[11:18] <klepas> andyfitz
[11:18] <klepas> maybe not in time wise
[11:18] <artnay> neither of us have the time needed
[11:18] <klepas> but hey, things change :)
[11:19] <artnay> hopefully they do
[11:19] <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/thb-ubuntu-splashes.png
[11:19] <artnay> I find it rather strange that mark used quite strong words on the ML
[11:19] <klepas> yea
[11:19] <klepas> well considering i met him
[11:19] <klepas> and he gave me a lift back to my home town
[11:19] <artnay> to me it seems canonical really didn't care for artwork until they woke up some time ago
[11:19] <klepas> we had a chance to talk
[11:20] <klepas> and now i sort of got annoyed at what we agreed upon :)
[11:20] <klepas> my fault :)
[11:20] <artnay> since volvoguy and I have sent many emails considering ubuntu-artwork, and we haven't received replies...
[11:20] <klepas> brb
[11:20] <artnay> volvoguy sent a few mails in july, I did send back is august or september
[11:21] <artnay> and mark also states that there has to be somebody who tells what to do with ubuntu-artwork (project leader), although it's been said that artwork team doesn't have a word on artwork that will be on the ubuntu CD media
[11:23] <artnay> so I'd say that canonical should have publicized the much spoken branding guide (stating what they want from ubuntu-artwork) which would have helped artwork team to set the priorites
[11:23] <artnay> and that way co-operation would have been possible
[11:25] <artnay> since I really see no person outside of canonical who would have the influence to say what artwork team should focus and work on
[11:26] <artnay> what do you guys think?
[11:34] <andreasn> perhaps the reason that the artwork-team has no influence is because canonial don't trust that the team can produce good stuff
[11:34] <andreasn> hm, need to run sonn
[11:35] <andreasn> as a contributor to the tango project and a ubuntu user, I think it would be cool if the artwork team could work together with the community we build around tango
[11:36] <andreasn> to make it not only a novell dominated project
[11:39] <andreasn> but that is just me thinking aloud :)
[11:44] <andreasn> time to run
[11:45] <andreasn> I'll be back in a couple of hours
[11:51] <klepas> artnay: hey
[11:52] <artnay> klepas: pong
[11:53] <klepas> reploed
[12:49] <lapo> hi
[01:36] <klepas> anyone awake?
[01:42] <kamstrup> klepas: aye
[01:45] <klepas> hey, cool
[01:45] <klepas> what are your thoughts on the themed package ideas
[01:45] <klepas> for universe
[01:45] <klepas> and one which is of top notch for mainstream, if it's good enough?
[01:46] <kamstrup> hmmm
[01:46] <kamstrup> it's hard when we don't have anython really concrete atm
[01:47] <kamstrup> I think there's been a bit too much of
[01:47] <kamstrup> "hey this icon theme is cool, hey this gtk theme is cool - let's stick them together and call it a theme"
[01:48] <klepas> yep
[01:49] <klepas> i think we can be safe though
[01:49] <klepas> to say that Tango could do with a complete Ubuntu (GNOME) and Kubuntu (KDE) pacakge
[01:49] <kamstrup> Tango should definitely be used...
[01:50] <klepas> i'm putting myself up as a person who would be willing to work on that
[01:50] <klepas> given that some work needs to be done
[01:50] <klepas> i'm going to spend all of this weekend compiling some sort of coherent Ubuntu Tango package
[01:51] <klepas> There would need to be a GNOME and KDE package (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) with GDM/KDM, splash screen, wallpaper(s), GTK/KDE themes, Metacity/KDE window decoration themes and finally the icon sets. One official, complete Tango package.
[01:51] <klepas> eventually both
[01:51] <klepas> but i'll do the ubuntu (GNOME one) this weekend
[01:52] <klepas> what do you think kamstrup
[01:53] <klepas> interested in helping out in the tango one
[02:03] <artnay> klepas: in which areas would like to have a helping hand?
[02:04] <klepas> well basically
[02:04] <klepas> i want to get a Tango set together
[02:04] <klepas> by Sunday eve
[02:04] <klepas> starting with the GNOME stuff
[02:04] <klepas> GTK, Metacity, icon set, splash screen and maybe about 2-5 wallpapers
[02:04] <klepas> all Tango
[02:04] <artnay> I might be able to help you tomorrow, I'm leaving soon to this place: http://www.pacifique.fi/home.shtml x)
[02:06] <klepas> yea
[02:06] <klepas> i had a look at that
[02:06] <klepas> damn
[02:06] <klepas> pretty sassy
[02:43] <lapo> hi
[03:10] <kamstrup> klepas: sorry for keeping you...
[03:10] <kamstrup> I'll spend most of my time on the SandSkater theme
[03:11] <kamstrup> but i like the idea
[03:11] <kamstrup> ofcourse :)
[03:11] <kamstrup> it is Tango after all :)
[03:12] <kamstrup> klepas: will you go ubuntu brown?
[03:12] <klepas> for the tango things?
[03:12] <klepas> no
[03:12] <klepas> because it's tango
[03:13] <klepas> the themes _do not_ have even follow the Ubuntu colour schema
[03:13] <klepas> they are different themes in their own right
[03:14] <lapo> I think ubuntu should follow tango color shcema, and tango is not a theme
[03:15] <lapo> tango is actually a bunch of guidelines to make application of various different enviroment looks nice side by side, the icons are a consequences of it
[03:15] <lapo> tango is more a style than a theme
[03:15] <klepas> yes
[03:15] <klepas> but in this case we need to play along with the rules
[03:15] <kamstrup> there is brown colors in the tango palette
[03:15] <kamstrup> is=are
[03:15] <klepas> so Ubuntu will feature it's own colour schema, icon set, and so forth
[03:15] <klepas> and we get to create themed-packages
[03:15] <lapo> kamstrup: yes, very similar to ubuntu ones
[03:16] <kamstrup> exactly
[03:16] <klepas> one or two of which, if good could end up in mainstream as additional choices
[03:17] <lapo> klepas: i don't know if this is the right course of action
[03:18] <lapo> doing a complete theme is almost impossible
[03:18] <lapo> you kno how many icons should be in a theme to make it really complete, and so offer a good desktop experience?
[03:18] <lapo> ugh...I'll rephrase it
[03:18] <lapo> do you know how many icons should be in a theme to make it really complete, and so offer a good desktop experience?
[03:19] <klepas> a lot
[03:19] <klepas> and tango has the best chance of ever completing that
[03:19] <klepas> i don't think that Ubuntu should have it's own icon set
[03:19] <klepas> making a completely new icon set
[03:20] <klepas> that is complete
[03:20] <klepas> will take year
[03:20] <lapo> if you have a really cool theme not following tango guidelines, you'll have a bunch of cool icons not integrated with the rest of the desktop
[03:20] <klepas> *years
[03:20] <klepas> yes!
[03:20] <klepas> of course
[03:20] <lapo> exactly
[03:20] <klepas> but no one will listen
[03:20] <lapo> why?
[03:20] <klepas> because they've already hired people
[03:20] <klepas> and we don't get to say "let's use tango" as the art team
[03:20] <klepas> we can't
[03:21] <klepas> so
[03:21] <klepas> we get to make themed-packages
[03:21] <lapo> where's the problem, can't the hider people follow the tango guidelines?
[03:21] <lapo> hired even
[03:21] <klepas> one or two of which might be included with the CD as additional choices
[03:21] <lapo> consider that the next gnome icon theme will be tango styled
[03:21] <klepas> because people higher up have decided to make something completely new
[03:21] <klepas> lapo: i know
[03:22] <lapo> you can make something completely new following the tango guidelines, iy's not really a problem
[03:22] <klepas> this is what both Andy and I have been trying to get other people to understand
[03:22] <klepas> it'll take far too long to make something new
[03:22] <lapo> have you ever used redhat/fedora?
[03:22] <klepas> and it won't ever be complete in the time we have
[03:22] <klepas> seen it extensively
[03:22] <klepas> used it several times
[03:23] <klepas> i know, blue curve
[03:23] <klepas> however this doesn't help us
[03:23] <klepas> we don't have any other options
[03:23] <klepas> what these folks higher up would like
[03:23] <lapo> blue curve is one of the most complete and cool icons theme around
[03:23] <klepas> are themed-packages
[03:24] <klepas> one of them ought to be tango
[03:24] <lapo> but it doesn't blend well with the rest 'cause you have gnome/kde icons with it
[03:24] <klepas> a complete tango package for both the GNOME (Ubuntu) and KDE (Kubuntu) dekstop
[03:24] <klepas> eventually it will
[03:25] <klepas> these themed-packages would include everything from icon sets to splash screens to wallpapers to GTK themed to metacity themes and so forth
[03:25] <klepas> that is what we're doing
[03:25] <klepas> and i would like to get at least a Tango package up and running
[03:26] <klepas> so, how does that sound?
[03:26] <lapo> that's cool, but I repeat I fear the new dapper icon theme will be a new bluecurve :-/
[03:26] <lapo> a theme impossible to complete that will be dropped in the futere
[03:27] <lapo> future even
[03:27] <klepas> i fear the same
[03:27] <klepas> the best way to show people that there is a way to make a consistent desktop
[03:27] <klepas> is use tango
[03:27] <klepas> or a variant
[03:27] <lapo> there's alredy a community around tango, there's alredy good guideline, ad there's alredy lots of icons
[03:28] <klepas> and the easiest way to do that is to make a package that will be added at least to universe
[03:28] <lapo> consider lot of application are using tango icons
[03:28] <lapo> I mean upstream
[03:28] <klepas> lapo: these themed-paclages
[03:28] <klepas> can be added almost instantly to the universe repo
[03:28] <klepas> if they are complete and good
[03:28] <klepas> this could be in universe by next week
[03:28] <klepas> we just need to get some more work together
[03:29] <lapo> my point is that's impossible to build a complete theme
[03:29] <artnay> discussion, finally. hi guys.
[03:29] <lapo> way too many icon to do
[03:29] <klepas> so
[03:30] <klepas> does anyone have any tango-themed SVG wallpapers?
[03:30] <klepas> or splash screens for that matter
[03:30] <artnay> klepas: umh, so you basically want to make a debian package out of it. do you know how many of people involved in tango project are using ubuntu as well?
[03:30] <klepas> no idea
[03:30] <klepas> but at least 5
[03:30] <klepas> :)
[03:31] <klepas> artnay: that's the deal
[03:31] <klepas> with all these themed-packages
[03:31] <klepas> that's what mark would love
[03:31] <artnay> you might want to ask these people (including people who are offering themes for other programs such as fx and tb) to get involved in this
[03:31] <lapo> svg is not that good for wallpapers klepas
[03:31] <klepas> check the irc channel
[03:31] <klepas> i've asked a few times
[03:31] <artnay> klepas: sure, but I have not seen any comments yet
[03:31] <klepas> yep
[03:31] <klepas> hence why i'm here
[03:31] <artnay> really? I must have missed that then
[03:31] <Tm_T> artnay: !
[03:32] <artnay> hey Tm_T
[03:32] <Tm_T> you idler
[03:33] <artnay> tell me about it... I really haven't had a computer for the last two months
[03:33] <artnay> only occasionally
[03:33] <Tm_T> shame on you!
[03:34] <artnay> klepas: so would you use tango with defaults? (no any alternations using ubuntu palette etc.)
[03:35] <lapo> klepas: regarding tango people using ubuntu, andreasn and jimmac (don't tell novell :-)) use ubuntu, surelly others
[03:35] <artnay> I think it's ok that canonical hired an artist, but the whole thing with ubuntu-artwork is really confusing, I'd say
[03:35] <artnay> it has been since the beginning
[03:35] <Tm_T> aye
[03:35] <artnay> artwork team was formed, umh, a month or two before breezy?
[03:36] <Tm_T> who's doing and what? what should be one and when? where's my pants btw
[03:36] <artnay> I ate your pants
[03:36] <Tm_T> ah then
[03:36] <artnay> that's the only thing I know ;)
[03:36] <klepas> artnay: yea, i'd use tango like it is
[03:37] <artnay> I think it's against CoC what's happening with the icon set, although I can take that (you know, let him/her have artistical freedom for now etc.)
[03:37] <klepas> once inkscape css support stuff comes in changing icon set colouration ought to be a breezye
[03:37] <klepas> *breeze
[03:37] <artnay> but the thing is that didn't co-operate hard enough before that, so it's better than nothing
[03:37] <klepas> so applying the Ubuntu colour scheme would be easy
[03:38] <lapo> klepas: uhm
[03:38] <lapo> the ubuntu color scheme should die imho
[03:40] <klepas> "01:38 < lapo> the ubuntu color scheme should die imho" - this channel is logged :P
[03:40] <artnay> oh, the renewed human theme... edges get pixelated
[03:41] <lapo> changing a the colors in an icon can't be done automagically, css or not
[03:41] <artnay> although fc5 has too :/
[03:42] <artnay> lapo: that's basically what andy is doing at the moment, offering icons and he lefts colours to be decided by someone else
[03:42] <artnay> since the same thing is happening with tango
[03:42] <klepas> so...
[03:42] <klepas> is someone willing to pitch in with this Tango package?
[03:42] <artnay> some people really dislike the colour of folder and wastebasket in tango
[03:43] <lapo> artnay: basically only a bunch of icons may need a color change, so I think it's easier to do it manually, and doing an icon theme that inherits tango then
[03:43] <artnay> lapo: yeah, in some occasions
[03:43] <artnay> if you need to change the colour of folder icon, it could be done easily with css support
[03:43] <lapo> and not all the icons are svg
[03:44] <lapo> artnay: and what will you do for the pngs?
[03:44] <artnay> but if there's already fx tango theme done, why change all the action icons?
[03:44] <artnay> they're most commonly used
[03:44] <lapo> frankly speaking I think it's a waste of goo energy, but it's only my humble opinion
[03:44] <artnay> if they would be the same, artwork team should do only minor changes to tango themes
[03:45] <artnay> since there really isn't much people involved in this and we didnt even have any goals set a month ago or so
[03:49] <lapo> artnay: toi do an "ubuntization" of tango you don't really need a lot of people
[03:50] <lapo> since the icons yo would want to repleace are not that much
[03:50] <lapo> let's say 10-15?
[03:51] <artnay> lapo: yeah, but it's not just the icons as you mentioned before (blue curve)
[03:52] <artnay> lapo: and that's the problem, "the icons I want to replace" :)
[03:53] <artnay> nobody cares which icon I'm thinking of, the decision should come somewhere else (as a team maybe, canonical, who knows)
[03:53] <artnay> that's been the trouble, we all have our ideas but creating a working process out of it has been a mess
[03:55] <artnay> if you look at the list, people aren't co-operating. that's why I suggested to seek for help from tango oriented people
[03:55] <lapo> I don't follow ubuntu's list sorry
[03:56] <artnay> some examples... bvc is having fun with metacity themes but how many times have you spoken to him? what about this nikolai (medicine mask)? at least andy is here :)
[03:56] <lapo> I am a tango oriented guyt and I'm here to help, btw :-)
[03:56] <artnay> there's lots of decent artwork, we should just utilize it
[03:57] <lapo> there isn't some sort of artistic director in ubuntu?
[03:57] <artnay> no, there hasn't been since volvoguy
[03:57] <lapo> where's this volvoguy?
[03:57] <artnay> and if you take into account what happened when team formed, there really hasn't been artwork process to the day
[03:58] <artnay> he had some health problems, you might want ask him
[03:58] <artnay> he's recovering at the moment
[03:59] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[03:59] <Tm_T> artnay: who?
[03:59] <artnay> Tm_T: aaron
[03:59] <artnay> a.k.a volvoguy
[03:59] <Tm_T> aah
[04:00] <Tm_T> I remember him
[04:00] <Tm_T> artnay: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[04:00] <Tm_T> ;(
[04:01] <artnay> how come my sentences are missing verbs most of the time... :)
[04:01] <artnay> too many things to be done
[04:01] <Tm_T> haha
[04:02] <Tm_T> so I'm not in my sharpest knife
[04:03] <artnay> Tm_T: KDE is great with altering KWin bordering
[04:03] <Tm_T> and also my Kicker is bit unusual
[04:03] <Tm_T> oh, you haven't seen my kmenu?
[04:04] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/temp/kmenu-1.png
[04:04] <klepas> Aaron Michael Waite
[04:04] <Tm_T> best in KDE: make it look yourself
[04:04] <artnay> is that something eatable? I want more customizable menu
[04:05] <Tm_T> artnay: more?
[04:05] <artnay> the shots by novell (G) looked interesting
[04:05] <Tm_T> nah
[04:07] <artnay> Tm_T: I'd like to have some other concept, that's it. umh, maybe KDE 4? :o
[04:09] <Tm_T> aye
[04:10] <Tm_T> KDE4 will be a lot different
[04:11] <artnay> klepas: do you have any idea to whom has this UI shapeout has been assigned in london?
[04:11] <artnay> klepas: I only find "we" etc.
[04:23] <klepas> no idea
[04:50] <klepas> you're up early AndyFitz
[04:51] <AndyFitz> about to head to bed klepas :-)   just finishing my green and gold slurpee
[04:51] <AndyFitz> its awesome to find those colours in slurpee .  apparently is a commonwealth games promotion
[04:52] <klepas> cool
[04:52] <klepas> i'm working on a tango gdm
[04:54] <AndyFitz> awesome mate
[04:54] <AndyFitz> thanks
[05:04] <leetcharmer> hihi all :D
[05:04] <leetcharmer> how's the art weekend going?
[05:06] <artnay> hi leetcharmer. if you look at http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/irclogs/ (ctrl f artwork), you'll find that there's been more discussion today than during the whole last week... ;)
[05:06] <artnay> so better than nothing, eh?
[05:08] <leetcharmer> ya!
[05:08] <leetcharmer> I heart the new icons!
[05:10] <leetcharmer> so -- is there going to be a UI change? or is that frozen?
[05:10] <artnay> there was artwork freeze back in breezy development days, but if you look at the schedule now, no
[05:10] <artnay> it's not frozen
[05:11] <leetcharmer> ahh, kk -- well -- I'm trying to get the hang of Inkscape -- but I have GIMP skills, have anything you'd like me to make?
[05:11] <artnay> klepas will pack tango, do you think you could help him?
[05:11] <leetcharmer> what can I do for him?
[05:11] <lapo> nobody here is in touch with the payed artist who's doing icons for canonical?
[05:11] <artnay> have a chat with klepas
[05:12] <artnay> lapo: ironically, no
[05:12] <artnay> I expectec some guys from canonical to pop up
[05:12] <leetcharmer> klepas: do you need any help?
[05:12] <artnay> leetcharmer: he does :)
[05:12] <lapo> artnay: do you mean today?
[05:12] <leetcharmer> :D
[05:13] <artnay> lapo: on the weekend
[05:13] <artnay> but I'm leaving soon
[05:13] <lapo> isn't now the weekend? :-)
[05:13] <artnay> party will begin in 45 minutes
[05:13] <leetcharmer> oh?
[05:13] <artnay> lapo: I guess it's weekend everywhere now, yeah. some patience ;)
[05:14] <leetcharmer> :D
[05:14] <Tm_T> artnay: hey, you were doing colour scheme etc earlier, right? never got anything finished?
[05:14] <artnay> Tm_T: what colour scheme?
[05:15] <artnay> actually I wasn't working with colour theme, just using one :p
[05:15] <Tm_T> erh
[05:15] <Tm_T> pics!
[05:16] <Tm_T> artnay: give me screenshot or something about it :)
[05:16] <artnay> well there's that one in forums, but it's months old
[05:16] <Tm_T> just throw link to me then
[05:17] <artnay> and as that computer's mobo has been dead for the last two months, I haven't done anything with it (was doing moodin KDM theme)
[05:18] <artnay> now I'm finally with my P3 500 MHz & 128 MB for the last two days
[05:18] <artnay> internet, I so missed you
[05:18] <artnay> :P
[05:18] <leetcharmer> :D
[05:18] <leetcharmer> :/ gotta put my computer back together so I can restore his HDD's data -- bbl :D
[05:20] <artnay> finally my friends are driving here to pick me up
[05:31] <klepas> sleep time
[05:31] <klepas> cheerio
[05:40] <heno> Hello all!
[05:40] <heno> Anybody want to help me find some aye-candy for the website?
[05:40] <lapo> hi
[05:40] <heno> We recently cleaned up this page a bit: http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[05:41] <heno> by removing much text and adding some icons
[05:41] <heno> we are planning to do the same on other pages too
[05:42] <heno> so good ideas for little icons and graphics would be helpful
[06:06] <lapo> heno: canonical?
[06:07] <heno> lapo: yes
[06:07] <lapo> cool, may I talk to youabout new dappericons?
[06:08] <lapo> I think you guys you should develope new dapper icons following the tango guidelines
[06:09] <lapo> there are a lot advantages in it
[06:11] <lapo> * better desktop experience trough bette integration (many apps are using a tango style icon upstream)
[06:12] <lapo> * less icons to develope (you can change only the revelant icons for branding and inherit the rest)
[06:12] <lapo> * tango has already a nice community
[06:12] <heno> I don't know the tango specs that well, but it sounds sensible
[06:13] <heno> Someone should start a 'transition to Tango' spec for the next conferance
[06:13] <lapo> when I saw new dapper icons on ubuntu wiki, I tried to tangoify them a bit just to proove what I'm saying
[06:13] <lapo> those icons can be "tangoified" with really few efforts
[06:14] <lapo> check it out:
[06:14] <lapo> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/dappericons/side-by-side.png
[06:15] <lapo> the tango guidelines are well defined and simple, following them crating new icons is not really difficult
[06:17] <heno> Cool! You really should post that on the wiki
[06:17] <lapo> consider that doing a *complete* icon theme is not really possible
[06:17] <lapo> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/dappericons/dappericons-tango-style-blending.png
[06:17] <heno> I think your icons ook better in many cases
[06:17] <heno> more interesting perspective
[06:19] <lapo> I did those icons only to prove what I'm saying I have no time to do a full set
[06:19] <lapo> but canonical, could make their artists follow the tango guidelines
[06:22] <lapo> or look for someone on the tango-artists ml who could do the icons
[06:23] <lapo> I have to go now, if you need help you can find me on irc on #tango, or you can mail me calamandrei at gmail
[06:23] <lapo> ciao
[07:24] <andreasn> hello