[02:11] <barna> Please help with the User guest53049, the channel #ubuntu-br
[02:11] <LordOfTime> barna:  eh?
[02:13] <barna> he came in and was talking about naked women, asked to stop. He pasted the same text up to Excess Flood returned with another nick! (@ c9322b67 gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>)
[02:15] <barna> he 's coming in and doing flood till you drop, please help, I'm trying to make a stand!
[02:16] <LordOfTime> did you do !ops ?
[02:16] <barna> We have no op online right now.
[02:17]  * LordOfTime lols at the access list
[02:17] <barna> in fact, the months do not have op online
[02:17] <LordOfTime> if i had an ubuntu/member cloak (and not my current cloak, with ubuntu secondarily) i'd have helped xD
[02:17] <LordOfTime> barna:  just do !ops anyways
[02:17] <LordOfTime> its normally a trigger to ping the ops channels
[02:19] <barna> also our bot is not online, it sends pro channel #ubuntu-br-ops that is empty.
[02:20] <barna> LordOfTime, Thanks anyway!
[02:20] <LordOfTime> ah
[02:21] <LordOfTime> well the best I can suggest is you do ignore  on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:23] <barna> :)
[02:24] <barna> IdleOn, ready to solve!
[15:46] <fujisan> O barna
[15:46] <fujisan> i will vote for you
[17:36] <jokrebel> hi
[17:41] <Unit193> Hello.
[18:05] <Fuchs> hrm, meeting today?
[18:05] <DJones> Supposed to be one, although I saw AlanBell saying he might not be home for the meeting
[18:06] <Fuchs> nevermind, there he is <3
[18:06]  * AlanBell arrives
[18:06] <AlanBell> so yeah, meeting nowish in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:02] <jokrebel> cu


[00:13] <daftykins> doesn't seem like i've been away from it all that long, but time to head back to bed :) g'night folks
[00:16] <Bashing-om> sleep tight daftykins . No bed bugs to bite !
[02:03] <Bashing-om> Our ranks are dwindling - as the world turns and sleep overtakes us - //  No EriC^^ has returned !
[02:10] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: man, Childhood's End really draws you in right away. I'm only ~15 mins in but it's great so far.
[02:11] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I was afraid that would happen .. but the commercials .. I just can not cope with them .
[02:12] <nicomachus> lol, just grab it online tomorrow then. :)
[02:51] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I was caught wandering off channel .. IRT maldridge ; nope I would rather not hazard a guess on running a script of that nature. Never done it so do not know much .
[02:52] <nicomachus> np, I think it's resolved. I just haven't messed around with cron jobs much so didn't want him to do it solely off my suggestion.  Might not get addressed before the Christmas holiday. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-8370.html
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome slidinghorn
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: the idea behind it is, we do support much but never actually can talk in main
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> so here we are
[14:28] <slidinghorn> Thanks  -  I'll add this to my faves
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> cool!
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: we discuss also here to get support better, or latest ubuntu news
[14:30] <slidinghorn> Is there any talk of updating the ubottu information?  Some factoids are gone, and the usage info link is no good
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: there is a way to submit new factoid data, but ive tried it few times
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> and never get changed..
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> !factoid
[14:31] <OerHeks> with all these transits (like SystemD), lots of info is version-dependend
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/arnold-s-t-800-terminator-uses-the-linux-kernel-4-1-5-released-today-497653.shtml
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:46] <slidinghorn> lotuspsychje: that's awesome
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys city walk
[17:13] <daftykins> those pesky other distro runners
[17:13] <daftykins> ugh, i was trying to connect up each pin of a bank of 6 ports on this patch panel i have, but they don't reliably have continuity from the first to the 6th
[17:13] <daftykins> looks like i'm gonna have to send it back =/
[17:14] <nicomachus> it's an ubuntu variant just like lubuntu or kubuntu, isn't it?
[17:15] <daftykins> no whole other distro
[17:15] <slidinghorn> lol
[17:15] <slidinghorn> he hid it for a while
[17:15] <nicomachus> uname -a gave: Linux ghost 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri  May 2 23:31:42 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:16] <daftykins> yeah it's a derivative just like mint might call the packages ubuntu, or elementary would - because it is based on it, but isn't it
[17:16] <nicomachus> ah I see.
[17:16] <nicomachus> my mistake then.
[17:33] <daftykins> OerHeks: hmm i was under the impression 32-bit runs faster on a 64-bit processor because it has twice the registers available
[17:33] <daftykins> TJ-: what do you make of that claim?
[17:34] <TJ-> huh? which claim?
[17:35] <OerHeks> Nope, indeed twice the registers, and longer, but setting to 32 bit uses clockcycles too
[17:37] <daftykins> TJ-: 32-bit OS faster or slower on a 64-bit CPU due to more registers?
[17:37] <OerHeks> >> 64 bit processors should be sold with a minimum of 4 gb, to get full power/features. but 2 gb will do, some say it will run -0.5% ... but running 32 bit on a 64 bit processor also runs slower :-D
[17:37] <TJ-> 32-bit executables on 64-bit are no different to on 32-bit; what is different is that in 'long' mode (64-bit) the CPU can read/write memory in larger chunks. 64-bit mode is much faster since 64-bit exectuables are compiled to use the extra registers, which are also twice as wide, and there are additional instructions available that are faster than the 32-bit equivalents
[17:38] <OerHeks> but are they activated in a 32 bit os?
[17:38] <TJ-> what 'they'?
[17:38] <OerHeks> tose additional instructions/extensions
[17:38] <TJ-> No
[17:38] <OerHeks> *those
[17:39] <daftykins> does a 32-bit OS only make use of the same number of registers in 32-bit mode then, or can it make use of each as two?
[17:39] <OerHeks> that is what i thought too.
[17:39] <OerHeks> more registers.
[17:39] <daftykins> argh typo
[17:39] <TJ-> the OS is built to an architecture; a 32-bit build knows about the 32-bit registers and instructions only
[17:39] <slidinghorn> fyi.... _ryan_ is me...just didn't wanna miss the conversation while I had a cigarette, lol
[17:40] <daftykins> hmm think i don't understand the makeup of a processor well enough then
[17:40] <daftykins> however i must head out the door, so bbl o/
[17:40] <TJ-> This is why we have lowest-common-denominator builds.. You recall when we stopped building for any CPU that doesn't support PAE, and MMX
[17:40] <OerHeks> and there are differences in amd and intel too, but i stopped noting the differences
[17:40] <TJ-> our 'i386' packages are actually 'i686' builds
[17:44] <TJ-> The reason ARM is so powerful for its relative size it is more RISC oriented and has always had lots of registers to avoid needing to use memory read/writes - so for example function calls can pass all arguments in registers, rather than on the memory stack
[17:47] <_ryan_> I need to learn how all this stuff actually works...my eyes just crossed a little lol
[18:11] <pauljw> hi everyone
[18:11] <slidinghorn> howdy pauljw
[18:11] <pauljw> hi slidinghorn
[18:14] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw, slidinghorn
[18:17] <slidinghorn> how is everyone during this brief moment of silence in the support channel?  lol
[18:17] <pauljw> BluesKaj, :)
[18:18] <BluesKaj> fine here, just not enough sleep
[18:18] <pauljw> too funny, almost exactly what i was typing
[18:19]  * slidinghorn hasn't slept and has to leave for work in like 40 min
[18:19] <pauljw> ouch
[18:19] <slidinghorn> luckily it should be a short shift...opening bartender on a tuesday afternoon/evening usually gets out by 8 or 9
[18:20] <pauljw> ah, not bad
[18:23] <BluesKaj> wide awake at 4AM, been dozing a bit in my easy chair, but think I'll heading for a nap soon
[18:24] <pauljw> :)
[18:24] <slidinghorn> now that sounds like a plan I could abide to
[18:25] <pauljw> bbl guys, just informed that i need to make a run to the store... :)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> gonna switch over to 14.04, this plasma 5 desktop is slow and clunky after the latest frameworks ppa upgrade it's still missing some kios I think..brb
[18:35] <BluesKaj> that's better, smooth and fast
[19:44] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I see you are diving in deep once more . Amazing what we learn that-a-way - olo - .
[19:46] <OerHeks> if a client can explain the issue, he could fix it himself, 9 out of 10 times
[19:46] <nicomachus> idk why I even started to try...
[19:49] <nicomachus> andddd he left.
[19:50] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Inquiring minds want to know ? You love this operating system of choice, and want to share the joy ? Doing your bit for the benifit of humanity ?
[19:50] <nicomachus> bored at work, 9 times out of 10. lol
[19:50] <nicomachus> also I like the challenge.
[19:53] <Bashing-om> Like one told me long ago .. beats doing jug saw puzzles .
[19:53] <nicomachus> ha! true.
[19:58] <Bashing-om> MonkeyDust: o/ ; Welcome to the party ... seems slow presently . ( 15 minutes on here ) .
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> oi
[20:06] <Bashing-om> While it is slow - Smokers Draw one !
[20:08] <OerHeks> Co² make trees grow, so those globalwarmingdudes are wrong
[20:08] <nicomachus> Noooo I just quit! Don't tempt me.
[20:09]  * OerHeks smokes another sigaret & combs his long blond curly hair
[20:10]  * Bashing-om brushes curley locks back out of eyes
[20:11] <OerHeks> it is sóóó boring in #ubuntu, even the trolls stay away
[20:12] <nicomachus> here you go, from another channel:
 ok, bit of a challenge here. i'm on my laptop at work  running a live cd. i have my external HDD. i want to  make an arch install to my exthdd while i'm here that I  can then basically rsync to my desktop at home where i  have no internet
[20:13] <nicomachus> could he install on the external HDD and then just dd it over to the laptop?
[20:16] <OerHeks> most of the times, laptops fail to boot from ext hdd
[20:16] <BluesKaj> a usb stick would solve the problem
[20:17] <OerHeks> and in ubuntu one could set softwarecenter to download only, maybe arch can do that too
[20:17] <nicomachus> I think he's intentionally making it harder on himself...
[20:17] <BluesKaj> dd the iso to the stick then install at home off the stick
[20:17] <OerHeks> let him download the whole arch repo :-D
[20:17] <OerHeks> to be sure
[20:18] <nicomachus> he's always complaining about bandwidth. :/ poor guy probably has strict limits. gets mad when people link to imgur without directly linking the image, stuff like that.
[20:18] <BluesKaj> why arch anyway it's a pita to install and doesn't have any advantages over ubuntu
[20:18] <daftykins> nicomachus: +1 to making it harder, typical users ;)
[20:19] <daftykins> heh sounds like what that guy needs is an estate agent
[20:19] <nicomachus> because it's #rice... they're mostly script kiddies and think that the harder a distro is to install/use, the better it must be.
[20:19] <OerHeks> when the 1st time i seen dsl internet 256/64 .. i was amazed :-D
[20:19] <Bashing-om> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download cript. See also APTonCD . Linux, if it is hard, you are doing something wrong .
[20:46]  * EriC^^ heads for the #ubuntu-discuss kitchen
[20:50] <Bashing-om> ^ again ? ! ( an he gains not an once ) .
[20:51] <EriC^^> :P
[20:51] <OerHeks> chicken!
[20:51] <Bashing-om> Black forest ham .
[20:53] <nicomachus> steakkkk
[21:01] <Bashing-om> Did Paul and BluesKaj both look in the #ubuntu-discuss fridge/pantry, and come away disappointed ? recon ?
[21:01] <OerHeks> chicken :-D
[21:29] <nicomachus> such circular conversations.
[21:30] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Uh huh .. why can it not be " because we said it " ; and let that be the end of it !
[21:30] <daftykins> mm i think ikonia is having a daftykins-style bad day
[21:32] <nicomachus> someone give him a cookie.
[21:36] <daftykins> oh no that'd be the wrong meaning :D
[21:37] <nicomachus> did anyone suggest the mini.iso for this guy, or would that be the wrong route?
[21:37] <nicomachus> I missed the beginning
[21:39] <OerHeks> sure i did, mini iso and  --no-install-recommends
[21:39] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Best I recall was recommended, and he threw a fuss at that suggestion .
[21:39] <OerHeks> but hey, i am just an ubuntu member, hips
[21:40] <daftykins> nicomachus: the minimalist one? yeah i did
[21:40] <daftykins> i think the task got sidelined by the argument though ;)
[21:44] <nicomachus> "lovely"
[21:45]  * daftykins sings the 'you're wrong' song
[21:47] <daftykins> this is beginning to feel like pulling teeth
[21:49] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Uh huh , but what else are we going to do on a beautiful suuny Tuesday - us gluttons for punishment - .
[21:49] <daftykins> :D
[21:50] <OerHeks> wow , with the Zorin Look Changer > Windows 7 XP GNOME2 Mac OS X Unity Windows 2000-interface
[21:51] <daftykins> i'm trying to remember if that was the distro some school kid made
[21:52] <nicomachus> "Thanks to Zorin OS's immunity to Windows viruses you will never have to worry about any of that nasty malware."
[21:53] <nicomachus> >never have to worry about malware...
[21:53] <nicomachus> I can't trust a distro that would say that.
[21:54] <daftykins> if you take it at face value though, it makes sense... it's clearly geared toward newbies too
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> i only trust the government, because they told me that i can
[21:54] <daftykins> MonkeyDust: :)
[21:54]  * nicomachus is the government
[21:57] <daftykins> did anyone recently say that they only had luck with nvidia optimus setups when that intel update was also applied from ubuntu-drivers ?
[21:57] <daftykins> i forget what that helped with
[22:04] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Then also there are a few cases requiring the PCI data bases to be updated for new hardware .
[22:05] <daftykins> hrmm might need to see what lspci sees then
[22:05] <daftykins> ok, i really have to cook though so if anyone spots that user coming back do feel free to take over
[22:05] <daftykins> (tanepiper)
[22:06] <Bashing-om> k
[22:15] <nicomachus> time to go get my shining locks cut off
[22:16] <daftykins> :O
[23:19] <Tarminquay> http://ark.intel.com/products/77481/Intel-Core-i3-4130T-Processor-3M-Cache-2_90-GHz
[23:19] <Tarminquay> http://ark.intel.com/products/76609/Intel-Core-i3-4020Y-Processor-3M-Cache-1_50-GHz
[23:19] <Tarminquay> Which chip is better?
[23:20] <daftykins> this isn't a support chan :)
[23:20] <Tarminquay> It's a discussion channel.
[23:20] <Tarminquay> Where do you suggest I go?
[23:20] <OerHeks> http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/208/Intel_Core_i3_Mobile_i3-4020Y_vs_Intel_Core_i3_i3-4130T.html
[23:20] <daftykins> you should've given a compare link too
[23:21] <Tarminquay> How come the 2.9 GHz chip costs so much less?
[23:21] <Tarminquay> They want $120 vs $280.
[23:21] <daftykins> the T is a more capable part
[23:21] <Tarminquay> Is it much faster?
[23:21] <daftykins> that's because Y's are for mobile.
[23:21] <Tarminquay> The T costs much less.
[23:21] <daftykins> http://ark.intel.com/compare/77481,76609
[23:22] <daftykins> here's what you should've linked
[23:22] <Tarminquay> Both the boxes utilizing these chips are very small.
[23:22] <OerHeks> t = top
[23:22] <daftykins> faster graphics on the T
[23:22] <Tarminquay> 2.9 GHz is way higher than 1.5 GHz
[23:22] <Tarminquay> shouldn't that mean the chip is way faster?
[23:23] <Tarminquay> The T costs almost 1/3 less than the Y. That's just because the Y runs so much cooler?
[23:23] <Tarminquay> Let me show you the boxes with these chips.
[23:23] <daftykins> i'm struggling to understand why you can't get that information from the above links
[23:23] <Tarminquay> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1157&item_id=074291
[23:23] <Tarminquay> This has the T.
[23:24] <OerHeks> 6watt vs 35w
[23:24] <Tarminquay> http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=26671105765
[23:24] <Tarminquay> This has the Y.
[23:24] <Tarminquay> Notice that they're about the same price.
[23:24] <Tarminquay> In fact I found the T unit for the same price exactly as that Y unit there.
[23:24] <daftykins> the T is more capable due to its' being designed for a less power consumption conscious use-case
[23:24] <Tarminquay> Yes, the T unit has a fan. The Y unit is fanless.
[23:25] <Tarminquay> I just wonder if I would notice a difference in daily operations
[23:25] <daftykins> this is obvious from the TDP
[23:25] <Tarminquay> I don't do any gaming or anything intensive.
[23:25] <daftykins> even the T would be basic and suited toward office apps at the most
[23:26] <Tarminquay> The Y would struggle on even office aps?
[23:26] <Tarminquay> apps*
[23:26] <daftykins> 4GB is pretty rubbish for RAM in 2015
[23:26] <daftykins> why are you looking at these small devices?
[23:27] <Tarminquay> I want a smaller unit.
[23:27] <Tarminquay> Just don't want a big noisy box.
[23:27] <Tarminquay> I can always add another 4 GB of ram for negligible cost.
[23:27] <daftykins> do you already own a display you'd intend to use with it?
[23:27] <Tarminquay> yes
[23:28] <daftykins> well you'd have to check they have two SODIMM slots
[23:28] <Tarminquay> They do.
[23:28] <daftykins> what input cable types does said display have?
[23:28] <Tarminquay> HDMI
[23:28] <daftykins> all set there then
[23:29] <Tarminquay> You think I can spend my money better on a larger unit without going for a noisy full-sized box?
[23:29] <Tarminquay> Like I say I don't need a lot of power.
[23:29] <daftykins> yes because noisy is defined by what's inside it
[23:29] <Tarminquay> Which box would you recommend?
[23:29] <daftykins> i'd recommend going to ##hardware because this channel is for ubuntu discussion
[23:30] <Tarminquay> I'm already there
[23:30] <Tarminquay> but it's pretty useless.
[23:30] <daftykins> yeah i've heard they're not too friendly :)
[23:30] <daftykins> sadly another channel being useless does not change the topic of another :)
[23:31] <Tarminquay> Ubuntu discussion isn't happening here anyway.
[23:31] <Tarminquay> By the way, I am putting Ubuntu MATE on my new unit.
[23:31] <Tarminquay> Thoughts on that distro?
[23:31] <Tarminquay> I'm going with 15.10.
[23:32] <daftykins> DE is a personal choice
[23:32] <daftykins> you folks that try to bend a channel's purpose to your own needs, it's highly selfish
[23:33] <Tarminquay> The DEs are developed by different people
[23:33] <Tarminquay> they're more different than you might think.
[23:33] <Tarminquay> Which DE are you using>?
[23:34] <daftykins> explorer.exe
[23:34] <Tarminquay> The Y chip is much more expensive than the T chip.
[23:35] <Tarminquay> That tells me that the unit with the Y chip is a better value
[23:35] <Tarminquay> given that they're priced the same.
[23:35] <daftykins> wrong.
[23:35] <Tarminquay> $280 vs $117. Says it right on the Intel page.
[23:35] <daftykins> we've already said our piece, if you still don't understand, then you'll need to do some reading
[23:36] <Tarminquay> $280 is pretty costly for a CPU.
[23:36] <Tarminquay> The whole box is selling for $420 with 4 GB of ram and a 64 GB SSD.
[23:37] <Tarminquay> And that's $420 Canadian.
[23:37] <Tarminquay> The $280 is American.
[23:37] <Tarminquay> Hell of a buy it seems.
[23:37] <daftykins> those prices are not what end up in systems, you can't just convert and subtract
[23:37] <daftykins> a Y would be utterly rubbish
[23:37] <Tarminquay> The manufacturer has to buy the CPUs from Intel.
[23:37] <daftykins> i'm going to stop replying now
[23:38] <daftykins> sorry but you don't understand.
[23:38] <Tarminquay> You sound like you got a tack up yourr ass, dafty.
[23:39] <OerHeks> y is soldered on
[23:39] <Tarminquay> Somebody want to remove the tack from his ass?
[23:39] <Tarminquay> OerHeks: Meaning what?
[23:39] <TJ-> Tarminquay: don't be rude; daftykins has already provided plenty of advice outside the remit of this channel
[23:39] <daftykins> all the other Canadians i've met on freenode have been ace :) you let them down by being rude and trying to make something personal
[23:42] <Tarminquay> "No more desktops for me / would rather eat potato chips and have a heart attack"
[23:42] <Tarminquay> Why would he say that?


[06:31] <bkerensa> #761957
[06:31] <bkerensa> Bug #761957
[17:42] <bkerensa> tgm4883: on 43-46 of the get-contributors script could it be replaced with something like
[17:42] <bkerensa> LOCOTEAM = [member.name for member in TEAM]
[17:42] <bkerensa> ?
[17:43] <bkerensa> instead of calling str() for each person https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html#person
[17:43] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea we could print the actual name
[17:44] <bkerensa> tgm4883: thinking once I get this silly glade bug sorted I might design some UI for it with glade
[18:04] <tgm4883> bkerensa, fixed
[20:45] <bkerensa> tgm4883: jvlb is working on a flyer for Ubuntu Oregon
[20:45] <bkerensa> a tri-fold of sorts
[22:56] <blkperl> so i segfaulted reminna today
[23:01] <c_smith> what is reminna?
[23:02] <c_smith> and I can crash my Nintendo Wii fairly easily: run a piece of homebrew software it doesn't like.
[23:03] <tgm4883> remote desktop software
[23:44] <bkerensa> blkperl: any word on the colo ticket?
[23:45] <blkperl> bkerensa: yes, you need faculty sponsership
[23:55] <bkerensa> blkperl: :P
[23:56] <bkerensa> blkperl: I don't know any faculty as I'm not a student :P


[10:14] <sense> good morning
[11:04] <klattimer> MacSlow: you might appreciate https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/353843
[11:04] <klattimer> :)
[11:04] <klattimer> simple fix
[11:05] <MacSlow> klattimer, I don't use "misbehaving" apps that use actions (or other non-recommended) notification features :)
[11:09] <MacSlow> klattimer, hm... where's the diff?
[11:09] <MacSlow> klattimer, ah... you've not merge-requested it yet... that's why.
[11:14] <klattimer> no, I will in a short while
[11:14] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you test this updated patch for gnome-power-manager https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu/+bug/619816
[11:15] <klattimer> MacSlow: if everything went to plan it should show up here in a minute https://code.launchpad.net/~karl-qdh/notify-osd/dialog-no-default-button/+merge/33622
[11:15] <klattimer> oh... hangon, I might have not done something
[11:15] <klattimer> ...shit :/
[11:16] <klattimer> I didn't commit :/
[11:18] <klattimer> MacSlow: https://code.launchpad.net/~karl-qdh/notify-osd/dialog-no-default-button/+merge/33623
[11:18] <klattimer> that's better
[11:24] <MacSlow> klattimer, next time please link branches fixing bugs to the bug they actually are meant to fix.
[11:25] <MacSlow> klattimer, I also use the habit to name branches accordingly in addition to taht... e.g. notify-osd.fix-353843
[11:25] <MacSlow> klattimer, makes life a lot easier
[11:28] <MacSlow> klattimer, reviewed, approved and merged
[11:29] <klattimer> oh awesome :)
[11:30] <klattimer> sorry about missing the bug number from the title
[13:21] <davidbarth> Cimi: back
[13:40] <kenvandine> klattimer, sure
[13:49] <LaserJock> is didrocks on vacation or something?
[13:53] <kenvandine> klattimer, weird... i am sure this isn't a bug in your patch from yesterdya
[13:54] <kenvandine> but... if i click on gpm in the indicator, the menu i get says "drop all elevated privileges
[13:54] <kenvandine> "
[13:54] <kenvandine> sounds like an indicator-application bug
[13:57] <davidbarth> kenvandine: wassup?
[13:58] <kenvandine> davidbarth, hey
[13:58] <kenvandine> davidbarth, when i click on the power manager indicator, the menu i see says "drop all elevated privileges"
[13:59] <kenvandine> seems to be getting the menu for something else, like that policykit thing that shows up to tell you you entered admin priv
[13:59] <davidbarth> kenvandine: didn't see that
[14:00] <kenvandine> i didn't either 20m ago
[14:00] <davidbarth> klattimer: i've manually installed your package cause apt was confused with the identical version number
[14:00] <kenvandine> somehow it got confused
[14:00] <davidbarth> still, i haven't see that while testing the indicator
[14:00] <davidbarth> i'm getting a polkit dialog to allow the backlight helper ro run
[14:01] <davidbarth> but that was already the case with the stock maverick package
[14:02] <davidbarth> klattimer: but i guess i should test the one with the updated patch, that has strings closer to mpt's specs
[14:03] <davidbarth> klattimer: can you also add the icon for the battery to the menuitem as well?
[14:05] <mpt> ugh, we're still not using symbolic icons for the battery menu?
[14:05] <mpt> ghostly white icons are showing up in the "Power Statistics" window
[14:05] <davidbarth> mpt: symbolic icons was not backported to gtk2 this cycle
[14:06] <mpt> davidbarth, I thought we had a temporary "-panel" namespace we were using instead?
[14:07] <mpt> So the icon in the panel uses "somethingsomething-panel", while the icon in the Power Statistics window uses "somethingsomething"
[14:12] <kenvandine> davidbarth, this isn't with klattimer patch... it was with stock maverick
[14:20] <davidbarth> mpt: that we do
[14:20] <davidbarth> mpt: ie, the -panel namespace is used for indicators icons and their menus as well
[14:22] <klattimer> davidbarth: I think picking icons for the menu item may be a little difficult
[14:22] <mpt> davidbarth, ah, I guess gnome-power-manager hasn't been patched to use them, and therefore the panel-style icons have been applied to the non-"-panel" namespace so that g-p-m will notice them.
[14:22] <klattimer> as we need to know what kind of item it is, phone, mouse, keyboard, laptop
[14:24] <davidbarth> mpt: yeah
[14:24] <davidbarth> mpt: actually that's worse than that
[14:25] <davidbarth> no, not worse
[14:25] <davidbarth> the indicator and the menu icons first look for a panel version automatically, and we had provided symlinks in lucid to remap them to the proprper icons
[14:26] <klattimer> davidbarth: yeah, the namespace happens in the icon lookup
[14:26] <davidbarth> so in maverick, either it's the icon names that have changed (and lack the symlinks behind the scene), or the symlinks have been dropped for that part of the theme
[14:27] <klattimer> sounds like a likely cause of the icons being wrong
[14:28] <kenvandine> klattimer, better i think (gpm) that is... but now when discharging it just says "Laptop battery"
[14:28] <kenvandine> no time or %
[14:28] <klattimer> kenvandine: that should only be the case if you have more than 12 hours left?
[14:28] <kenvandine> when i first unplug i briefly see the estimating string
[14:29] <klattimer> is that possible on laptop battery
[14:29]  * kenvandine finds that unlikely :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> powertop says 6.3 hours
[14:29] <kenvandine> now 4.5 hours
[14:30] <kenvandine> when charging it looks right
[14:30] <klattimer> hmm
[14:30] <klattimer> weird
[14:31] <klattimer> I'm using 12*60 as my number here which is 12 hours in minutes
[14:31] <klattimer> so not sure what's going on
[14:36] <klattimer> kenvandine: I've updated the patch slightly
[14:36] <kenvandine> ok
[14:36] <klattimer> if you want to try that, it's attached to the bug report
[14:36] <kenvandine> will do
[14:36] <klattimer> I can't see that it'll improve things any more than was there last, but it is slightly neater and easer to read
[14:39] <kenvandine> klattimer, same
[14:39] <kenvandine> let me add a couple printfs int here
[14:39] <kenvandine> in there
[14:42] <Cimi> davidbarth: news from the 22px patch?
[14:42] <kenvandine> klattimer, time_to_empty_round 6900
[14:42] <kenvandine> GPM_UP_TEXT_MIN_TIME 120
[14:43] <kenvandine> klattimer, that is at line 250 in src/gpm-upower.c
[14:44] <kenvandine> klattimer, powertop is reporting 5.9h left
[14:45] <kenvandine> klattimer, 6900 is way more than 12*60
[14:49] <davidbarth> Cimi: right, could you refresh cody's patches and make that use a dedicated style property?
[14:49] <kenvandine> klattimer, look at         time_to_empty_round = egg_precision_round_down (time_to_empty, GPM_UP_TIME_PRECISION);
[14:49] <davidbarth> Cimi: then send some screenshots for otto to evaluate the result
[14:49] <kenvandine> i think that GPM_UP_TIME_PRECISION isn't what you are expecting
[14:50] <kenvandine> so time_to_empty_round isn't really number of minutes left... which seems weird
[14:50] <kenvandine> but GPM_UP_TIME_PRECISION is 5*60
[14:50] <kenvandine> so 5s i guess
[14:51] <klattimer> oh
[14:52] <Cimi> davidbarth: will do tomorrow
[14:52] <Cimi> I'm about starting writing a blogpost for the new themes
[14:52] <kenvandine> klattimer, so time_to_empty_round is growing
[14:52] <kenvandine> it is now 19200
[14:52] <Cimi> iainfarrell: pink
[14:52] <kenvandine> and i am discharging still
[14:52] <Cimi> *ping :P
[14:52] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:52] <klattimer> hmm
[14:52] <klattimer> oh dear
[14:52] <klattimer> :/
[14:52] <kenvandine> klattimer, now it went down to 8700
[14:53] <kenvandine> doesn't seem like a very stable number :)
[14:53] <kenvandine> and now 18300... geez
[14:53] <Cimi> or our ivanka magician too
[14:54] <kenvandine> klattimer, i guess look at gpm_get_timestring
[14:54] <kenvandine> to see how it converted time_to_empty_round to the string that is displayed
[14:54] <iainfarrell> cimi hi there
[14:54] <iainfarrell> what's up?
[14:54] <Cimi> oh cool
[14:54] <Cimi> since otto is busy with unity, radiance and other tasks
[14:55] <Cimi> we decided I could take care of writing a blog post with the updates to the latest themes
[14:55] <Cimi> and request for some feedback
[14:55] <iainfarrell> ahh cool
[14:55] <Cimi> I guess I need an account as a guest blogger or so
[14:55] <iainfarrell> that's great
[14:55] <iainfarrell> yeah you do
[14:56] <klattimer> kenvandine: I've added a new patch
[14:56] <klattimer> I guess it's in seconds not minutes so added another *60
[14:56] <klattimer> that should fix it
[14:56] <klattimer> 5.08 hours remaining sound reasonable to you?
[14:56] <Cimi> iainfarrell: so? :P
[14:57] <iainfarrell> I'm finding out if I can get the account sorted
[14:57] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:57] <iainfarrell> Cimi: if you write up the post
[14:57] <iainfarrell> I'll chase the accounr
[14:57] <iainfarrell> *account
[14:57] <iainfarrell> what's your LP ID?
[14:57] <kenvandine> klattimer, building now
[14:57] <klattimer> cool
[14:57] <klattimer> that should be it then
[14:57] <klattimer> can you can get that patch pushed out in a new package?
[14:58] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:00] <JanCBorchardt> mpt: thanks for the great comment on the Software Center sky color bug report, made my day ;)
[15:00] <davidbarth> Cimi: btw, kenvandine mentionned you had the same issue as i have with the entry only displaying one character at a time?
[15:00] <mpt> :-)
[15:00] <davidbarth> Cimi: do you think that can be a theme issue?
[15:01] <Cimi> it isn't
[15:01] <kenvandine> klattimer, working pretty well, but comparing the strings to the wiki page
[15:01] <Cimi> because if you write a word and send it
[15:01] <Cimi> it sends only the last chat
[15:02] <Cimi> so it's not like having a transparent text :)
[15:02] <kenvandine> klattimer, the wiki page says "X H:MM left”
[15:02] <klattimer> yeah?
[15:02] <kenvandine> but i get "X H and MM left"
[15:02] <klattimer> what are you getting?
[15:02] <klattimer> oh :/
[15:02] <kenvandine> but i get "X H hours and MM minutes left"
[15:02] <klattimer> shit, then there's a problem with the string output
[15:02] <kenvandine> but the behavior is right :)
[15:02] <klattimer> grr
[15:02] <kenvandine> oh...
[15:02] <klattimer> ok, I'll add a fix for that
[15:02] <kenvandine> cool
[15:03] <kenvandine> getting there :)
[15:03] <kenvandine> Cimi, any fixes for the theme for the text in that entry?
[15:03] <kenvandine> as in visibility... it is pretty hard to see atm
[15:05] <Cimi> kenvandine: it's already fixed it locally
[15:05] <Cimi> we will push a new version soon
[15:05] <Cimi> maybe tomorrow
[15:05] <kenvandine> with ambiance-maverick-beta
[15:05] <Cimi> locally is my pc :P
[15:05] <kenvandine> ok, cool
[15:11] <klattimer> kenvandine: added a new patch which should fix the strings
[15:11] <kenvandine> klattimer, ok, will test in a bit
[15:11] <kenvandine> thx
[15:11]  * klattimer can't believe the battery applet's upstream code actually says in many cases "Laptop battery 2 hours 14 minutes until charged\nProvides 1 hour and 12 minutes battery runtime
[15:11] <klattimer> ?!?!?!?!
[15:11] <klattimer> who thought that was a good summary
[15:11] <klattimer> ?
[15:12] <klattimer> for a menu?
[15:12] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:20] <kenvandine> Cimi, when you push the new theme changes, make sure you rename them to match the default names... so move ambiance-maverick-beta to Ambiance in the bzr tree
[15:20] <kenvandine> and drop the old stuff
[15:20] <davidbarth> klattimer: isn't that shared with a notification string instead?
[15:26] <klattimer> davidbarth: grr, I hope not, lemme look
[15:27] <tedg> doctormo, The Inkscape website is still in SVN.
[15:27] <tedg> doctormo, They keep saying it is going to be migrated to a DB, so I didn't migrate it to Bazaar, but that's looking like a worse and worse idea.
[15:27] <klattimer> it's used in the tooltip
[15:27] <klattimer> but I think that's OK right?
[15:28] <klattimer> better to be the same than different
[15:28] <tedg> doctormo, I realize this should be in #inkscape, but apparently I don't have voice there :-/
[15:34] <kenvandine> klattimer, very slight thing... the wiki says H:MM but it is now HH:MM
[15:36] <kenvandine> klattimer, also there is a brief point in the transition from charging -> discharging and discharging -> charging where it says "X charged" before it says "X (estimating)"
[15:36] <kenvandine> i assume that is because the value of time_to_empty_round is getting set to some crazy number which is over 12h
[15:42] <klattimer> oh, yeah, I added the wrong format string duh
[15:42] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you check the notifications to see if they have a sensible looking string
[15:43] <kenvandine> they seem unchanged
[15:43] <klattimer> cool
[15:43] <kenvandine> the notification still includes the %
[15:43] <klattimer> right, well the brief change I don't think I can do anything about
[15:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:43] <kenvandine> i figured
[15:44] <klattimer> kenvandine: ok, so if we're not going to have HH:MM then should i have "X minutes" when there's less than an hour
[15:44] <klattimer> mpt: same question to you ^^
[15:45] <kenvandine> i assume
[15:45] <kenvandine> let mpt answer that though :)
[15:45] <klattimer> yeah
[15:47] <klattimer> once we've got a definite from mpt i'll cook up one last patch and that'll probably be it
[15:48] <mpt> klattimer, I'd rather just have H:MM consistently
[15:48] <klattimer> so 0:MM would be preferred for < 60 minutes
[15:49] <ronoc> Cimi: can you point me towards the branch you had for the rounded corners on the album art
[15:50] <klattimer> kenvandine: the patch is uploaded to the bug
[15:55] <JanCBorchardt> mpt, about the consistency thing at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/618723
[15:56] <Cimi> ronoc: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/indicator-sound/rounded-albumart
[15:56] <ronoc> Cimi: thx
[15:56] <JanCBorchardt> mpt: I disagree because most users rarely access the system settings for updating. They just get the pop-up without context-
[15:57] <klattimer> kenvandine: I accidentally didn't save the file before diffing :/ so I've uploaded another new patch which does the right thing
[15:57] <kenvandine> ok
[15:57] <mpt> JanCBorchardt, in that case I've specified that the title should be "Updates Available", so the name doesn't show up anyway.
[15:59] <JanCBorchardt> mpt, ok, cool
[16:07] <kenvandine> klattimer, much better :)
[16:13] <kenvandine> klattimer, uploaded
[16:13] <kenvandine> thx
[16:34] <klattimer> tedg: is there a bug number for the group menu item bug?
[16:34] <klattimer> I'd like to mark something as a duplicate of it
[16:40] <tedg> klattimer, I'm not sure I know which bug you're talking about.
[16:46] <davidbarth> Cimi, chaotic: btw, can you confirm that the notebook style is off the list now?
[16:47] <chaotic> ?
[16:47] <davidbarth> it's still listed for tomorrow, but i don't think it sounds possible anymore: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu/+bug/611694
[16:47] <davidbarth> chaotic: an old work item that was on cimi's list, more tentative
[16:48] <davidbarth> dropping it from the list
[16:49] <davidbarth> Cimi: same for argb, too bad but that's all too late
[16:50] <chaotic> davidbarth: fine by me, we have made improvements anyway
[16:52] <Cimi> davidbarth: argb is useless without cody's patch
[16:53] <ronoc> Cimi, have you recoloured the button s in one of your branches
[16:53] <ronoc> ?
[16:53] <ronoc> recoloured the background that is ?
[17:00] <Cimi> ronoc: ?
[17:00] <Cimi> what do you mean?
[17:01] <ronoc> Cimi, you worked on the colours last week yes of the buttons so as they can be changed with theme change
[17:01] <ronoc> no ?
[17:01] <ronoc> which branch is this ?
[17:03] <Cimi> no
[17:03] <ronoc> Cimi, you did work on two branches last week though yeah ?
[17:09] <Cimi> ronoc:
[17:09] <Cimi> yes
[17:09] <Cimi> but one lacks of the custom gtk-widget name
[17:09] <ronoc> Cimi: can you post the branch url please ?
[17:10] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/indicator-sound/use-gtk-colors
[17:10] <ronoc> Cimi: thx
[17:11] <Cimi> sorry for being a little bit off today from the chat... I've a headache and I'm feeling really bad
[17:11] <ronoc> Cimi:  no worries, me too - running a fever topping up on lemsips at the mo :/
[17:12] <ronoc> Cimi: so do we need to come up with a name for the transport bar
[17:12] <ronoc> "ido-transport-bar"
[17:12] <ronoc> although its not an ido
[17:12] <ronoc> so "ayatana-transport-bar"
[17:13] <ronoc> Cimi: ^
[17:17] <Cimi> maybe
[17:17] <Cimi> transport bar is?
[17:18] <ronoc> Cimi: just name check everytime you answer, otherwise I might be watching my irc
[17:19] <ronoc> Cimi: transport bar is the play button, previous and next button on the currently grey/white background
[17:19] <ronoc> Cimi, sorry first msg was missing the operative *not
[17:21] <Cimi> ronoc: ok
[17:21] <Cimi> ronoc: chose the name you prefer
[17:21] <Cimi> ronoc: same thing for the scrubber please
[17:22] <ronoc> Cimi: "ayatana-transport-bar"
[17:22] <ronoc> Cimi: does this follow the same pattern as the other gtk widget names ?
[17:23] <Cimi> I don't know
[17:23] <Cimi> I mean
[17:23] <Cimi> usually for custon names yes
[17:23] <ronoc> Cimi: i.e. do you know what other gtk -widget names look like?
[17:23] <ronoc> or does it make a difference ?
[17:23] <Cimi> let me see
[17:23] <Cimi> not, just for logic porpouses
[17:24] <Cimi> mmm
[17:24] <Cimi> yeah could be ok
[17:26] <ronoc> Cimi: okay grand
[17:26] <ronoc> lets use that then
[17:27] <Cimi> for scrubber?
[17:27] <Cimi> ido-scrubber?
[17:30] <ronoc> Cimi: ido-scrub-bar
[17:31] <ronoc> I reckon
[17:33] <Cimi> ok
[17:56] <ronoc> Cimi back sorry
[17:56] <Cimi> nw
[18:32] <vlada> tedg, ping
[18:47] <tedg> vlada, Howdy
[18:47] <vlada> hi tedg
[18:47] <vlada> tedg, I was sent here by #ubuntu-devel guys
[18:48] <tedg> Uh, oh, never trust the ubuntu-devel guys ;)
[18:48] <vlada> looks like I have to complaint to you about this bug (which is mine, BTW)
[18:48] <vlada> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/621838
[18:48] <vlada> tedg, I trust inkscape guys ;)
[18:50] <tedg> vlada, Yeah, I think that one is fixed.  It just won't be released until tomorrow -- we release on Thursdays.
[18:50] <tedg> vlada, It was using the wrong index to update the icons/labels on new items.
[18:50] <vlada> wow! great!
[18:51] <vlada> and, did you change keyboard icon (graphic)? Current one is too fuzzy.
[18:52] <tedg> vlada, I'm not in charge there, that'd be the design guys who do the icons.  chaotic might have a comment there.
[18:54] <vlada> tedg, do you have hired professional for icon design or you are using community provided icons?
[18:55] <tedg> vlada, both, we have professionals charged with it but they take community contributions as well.
[18:56] <vlada> canonnical is strangly organized indeed :) At least when looked at from outside ;)
[18:57] <vlada> tedg, BTW and OT: will inkscape 0.48 manage to get into 10.10?
[18:58] <tedg> vlada, I believe so, but I haven't been following that.  Scisalac and kees I believe were looking at it.
[20:31] <ronoc> Cimi: rounded rectangles are in -> lp:~cjcurran/indicator-sound/fix-rounded-corners-on-album-art
[21:29] <MDC1> from #nautilus: (20.04.10) cosimoc: so, this is how nautilus master looks like now -> http://people.gnome.org/~cosimoc/new-sidebar.png
[21:29] <MDC1> :D
[21:29] <MDC1> vish: ^
[21:33] <vish> MDC1: sidebar!!!!!!!
[21:33] <MDC1> oh yes :)
[21:33] <vish> MDC1: hehe , for a few sec i was wondering what i was looking for :D
[21:33] <hyperair> ooh nice.
[21:34] <MDC1> aday: in case you've missed it: http://people.gnome.org/~cosimoc/new-sidebar.png
[21:34] <aday> MDC1: just saw the commit
[21:37] <MDC1> night now
[21:47] <Cimi> ronoc: cool
[22:45] <Caer> Hi everyone
[22:45] <Caer> I would like to report a subset of this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/44002
[22:47] <Caer> It bothers me that, because of the loading of icons in gnome's main menu, sub-menus are resized the first time they are displayed
[22:48] <Caer> so there is a kind of flicker when gnome finally decides which width the icon column should be ; this could be avoided because all icons are the same size in the default config
[22:49] <Caer> does that qualify as a papercut? And should I create a new bug referencing this one? (I will be reading your anwsers tomorrow)


[04:18] <casa> hola
[04:18] <casa> hello
[04:20] <casa> el bot uBOT-fr me ha estado baneando durante 5 minutos sin razon alguna, cada vez que me vuelvo a conectar me banea, no se que hacer
[05:48] <xangua> hey niko, what's wrong with ubotu-fr¿¿ in #ubuntu-es
[15:39] <gerti> hello
[15:39] <bazhang> hi
[15:39] <gerti> anyone no if we can test if a user is online on irc ?
[15:40] <bazhang> try to /whois them
[15:40] <gerti> i use xchat-gnome
[15:40] <bazhang> what nick
[15:41] <gerti> yours :)
[15:41] <bazhang>   /whois nickname
[15:41] <gerti> it did nothing
[15:41] <gerti> maybe my irc client is not so good
[15:41] <bazhang> not sure about xchat-gnome  I use xchat
[15:42] <bazhang> you could try in #xchat-gnome channel
[15:42] <gerti> thank you ;)
[15:42] <bazhang> welcome
[15:42] <gerti> you don't have some crash with xchat ?
[15:42] <gerti> is it stable ?
[15:42] <bazhang> nope
[15:42] <bazhang> very
[15:43] <gerti> on ubuntu ?
[15:43] <bazhang> uh yeah
[15:43] <gerti> ok i will test it
[15:43] <bazhang> good
[15:43] <gerti> what do you do with you ubuntu ?
[15:43] <gerti> you
[15:43] <gerti> your*
[15:43] <bazhang> me with me?
[15:44] <gerti> with your computer
[15:44] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic for chat please
[15:44] <gerti> irc client are not so intuitive
[15:46] <gerti> thanks for your help ;)
[15:46] <bazhang> np
[15:50] <gerti> bazhang, the whois result is displayed on the status panel
[15:50] <gerti> because of that i didn't see it
[15:50] <gerti> so now it's ok.


[02:54] <jlacroix> I am testing Artful in a VM and I have a few questions. First, I read several places that there will be a vanilla GNOME session offered that doesn't have the new ubuntu tweaks and addons. I cannot find this. Is this implemented yet?
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: what do you mean with tweaks & addons?
[02:56] <jlacroix> Basically, what I read is that 17.04 will have a vanilla GNOME session offered at the GDM screen, that for example, won't have the dock
[02:56] <jlacroix> I only see two options at the GDM screen, Ubuntu on Xorg and Ubuntu on Wayland
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: where did you read that?
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: its 17.10 by the way :p
[02:57] <jlacroix> Sorry I'm so accustomed to typing 17.04
[02:58] <jlacroix> Linux Unplugged mentioned this, as did Phoronix and a few others. It was also mentioned on an Ubuntu technical doc
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: last time i updated, didnt see such vanilla session myself
[02:58] <jlacroix> I installed it in a VM today and installed all updates and I didn't see the option either
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: cant find that news article you say
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: if you have an url perhaps?
[03:03] <jlacroix> One sec, looking
[03:12] <jlacroix> I can't find the link right now. But I think you just have to install the gnome-session package. I'm trying this now
[03:13] <jlacroix> Yup, that was it. Install gnome-session and the vanilla gnome session is an option
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-session
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: handy
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> !yay | jlacroix
[03:15] <jlacroix> I am curious how Ubuntu will keep the dotfiles between the two sessions separated
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: you dont like the new dock?
[03:17] <jlacroix> I prefer to have no dock. But the thing is, you can turn the dock off without having to use the gnome-session package. However, I make tutorial videos, write blog articles, etc. So when this comes out I want to make sure I completely understand how it's designed so I give people the right information
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> ah ih see
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: there will be settings for the dock to disable or autohide at final
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: for now i tweaked it with dconf-editor
[03:18] <jlacroix> That's good to know, I was just about to ask that
[03:18] <jlacroix> Honestly, I just keep one application per workspace and I switch between them with CTRL+ALT+Up (or down)
[03:18] <jlacroix> I find that to be a lot easier to manage than a dock
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: can you check in screen settings right now, if nothings new?
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: i will love the fact that every user can choose how he/she likes
[03:20] <jlacroix> Yes, it's there (the autohide option)
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> nice
[03:20] <jlacroix> I am curious about the technical details about how the two sessions were designed. I also utilize Ansible to configure my desktop for me so I will probably need to dive into this so I understand it better before release
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah interesting
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: im also curious how wayland will perform
[03:21] <jlacroix> I read that Canonical has fixed the bluetooth issues, which always bugged me in the past
[03:22] <jlacroix> On Fedora, Wayland was far superior in speed than Xorg
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah alot of BT issues in the past for sure
[03:22] <jlacroix> I tested it out there for a short while
[03:22] <jlacroix> I wonder if the bluetooth fixes are patched into GNOME, or if they added an additional package that contains the fixes?
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: i think that might be in kernel fixes?
[03:23] <jlacroix> I doubt it
[03:24] <jlacroix> The issues seemed to be independent of the kernel, It seemed to be annoying issues like the GUI not selecting the bluetooth speaker by default, etc
[03:24] <jlacroix> !info gnome-bluetooth
[03:25] <jlacroix> I have a feeling that might be it
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> ah
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> that sounds logical
[03:26] <jlacroix> I'm very excited about this release. I am using it in a VM right now. I can't wait to upgrade
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> i have a testbox :p
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> http://imgur.com/a/q7Yem
[03:27] <jlacroix> Nice, what theme are you using?
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> dark
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> default installed
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> dragged dock to bottom with size with dconf
[03:29] <jlacroix> I'm using VimixDark theme, but sometimes Firefox progress bars don't show up right
[03:35] <jlacroix> Have you played steam games on 17.10 yet?
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> jlacroix: no didnt test, just tested an online shooter from repos
[11:30] <StrangeNoises> hm. some update in 17.10 today has partially broken hidpi support that was working yesterday. god knows which package...
[11:32] <StrangeNoises> mouse pointers, fonts in gnome top bar & indicators, and in non-gnome gtk and qt apps (eg: hexchat, nextcloud client) all back to scaling factor 1.
[11:37] <ducasse> check the end of /var/log/apt/history.log to see which packages was updated last, might help you narrow it down
[11:40] <ducasse> StrangeNoises: ^^
[11:40] <StrangeNoises> bunch of xserver packages. also gnome-session and ubuntu-session packages. i mention the latter because it seems that org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor now seems to be inoperable (changes nothing)
[11:40] <StrangeNoises> i wasn't ignoring you, but i had the window covered up for a bit while i was looking at gsettings
[11:40] <StrangeNoises> :-)
[11:42] <StrangeNoises> there's a com.ubuntu.user-interface scale-factor but its current value is... weird. "@a{si} {}" so i don't know what to try with that. don't know if corruption or meaningful
[11:44] <ducasse> thought you might have switched channels :) i don't use gnome at all nor do i use hidpi, so i can't help much...
[11:44] <StrangeNoises> i'd report a bug if could identify the package at fault
[11:45] <StrangeNoises> this machine's nvidia, can only use xorg. I also have a machine running it with wayland, so i guess it'll be informative to see if the same problem occurs there
[11:46] <ducasse> the package is not really that important if you can clearly describe the problem, the devs will just reassign it to the correct package.
[11:47] <ducasse> ...as they generally have a good idea what's changed :)
[11:48] <StrangeNoises> right, let's break the other machine and see if it affects wayland :-)
[11:49] <ducasse> :)
[11:50] <StrangeNoises> oh that's interesting, it's not getting the xserver updates. xorg is installed even if i'm not using it
[11:51] <ducasse> is it using the same mirror?
[11:52] <StrangeNoises> i believe so. it's got the same versions already of those packages. let's - before the upgrade - try logging in under xorg...
[11:52] <StrangeNoises> no error
[11:52] <StrangeNoises> ok, let's do the upgrade
[11:54] <StrangeNoises> which if it happens then, points the finger at one of the gnome-session / gnome-settings / ubuntu-session packages
[11:55] <StrangeNoises> yep, there we go
[11:56] <StrangeNoises> and in wayland too. right.
[11:57] <ducasse> hmmm... ok. are the old versions still in the package cache?
[11:58] <ducasse> if they're there or on the mirror, try downgrading one by one?
[11:59] <StrangeNoises> i suspect /usr/share/session-migration/scripts/unity-gnome-shell-migration.18.08.py  in ubuntu-session. although the date in the name implies it's older. anyway it resets a bunch of scaling factor stuff. nothing that looks desperately wrong but worth a look
[12:03] <StrangeNoises> let's report it to there anyway. its maintainers ought to know where better to send it as you say
[12:04] <ducasse> try that, yes.
[12:05] <ducasse> you might want to keep an eye on this channel to see if others report the same problem if this update was just released.
[12:46] <StrangeNoises> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1713323 fwiw


[11:38] <Kamilion> just wanna bring this up for the zany gates to open: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xz-utils/+bug/1493999
[11:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1493999 in xz-utils (Ubuntu) "xz-utils package is really, really old and should be updated to 5.2.2 with multi-core support" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[11:38] <Kamilion> it landed in debian on the 7th
[11:39] <Kamilion> we get a big with with multicore decompression in apt once that lands
[11:39] <Kamilion> *big win
[13:13] <santa_> slangasek, pitti: hi, now that yakkety is released could we get the fixed calligra in -updates?
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [4.8.0-25.27]
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-control-center (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:3.20.1-2ubuntu3 => 1:3.20.2-0ubuntu1] (ubuntugnome)
[17:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: file-roller (yakkety-proposed/main) [3.22.0-1ubuntu1 => 3.22.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [3.13.0-99.146] (core, kernel)
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [3.13.0-99.146]
[19:40] <tjaalton> slangasek: looks like freeipa got removed from yakkety by mistake.. the one that I synced was the new version that is maintainable
[19:41] <tjaalton> slangasek: is there a way to add it back?
[19:41] <tjaalton> sru is fine
[22:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-lts-vivid [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [3.19.0-72.80~14.04.1] (kernel)


[00:09] <superm1> mac9416, that means you need to associate the card with a data source still
[00:09] <superm1> (usually)
[00:27] <mac9416> superm1, how do I go about that?
[02:21] <map7> I'm getting 'Cannot login to database?' from my remote machine can someone help me?
[02:22] <map7> I've changed my backend & master backend IP address to my actual IP address instead of localhost
[02:23] <map7> & entered in a security pin
[02:25] <map7> I've enabled mysql as a service
[02:27] <map7> Found it, I had to remark out the 'bind-address=<IP_ADDRESS>' in my /etc/mysql/my.cnf file
[02:27] <map7> Why doesn't mythbuntu-control-center do this?
[04:21] <nuSharper> hi there! i just finished installing Mythbuntu. during install i had both my monitor and my TV connected (via S-Video). once the instaltion ended and the PC rebooted, the graphics card can only see the TV. the VGA output isnt displayed on Nvidia-Settings. how can i output video to my VGA monitor?
[04:23] <Shadow__X> what video card do you have
[04:23] <nuSharper> fx5500
[04:24] <Shadow__X> run nvidia-settings
[04:24] <nuSharper> during install, i used the monitor. after the reboot, monitor went into stand-by.
[04:24] <nuSharper> i have. nvidia-settings only shows one available output: TV-Out
[04:26] <nuSharper> i wonder if i have to re-install the distro with the S-Video cable off... :-\
[04:26] <Shadow__X> no your issue isnt with the distro is setting up the video card
[04:26] <nuSharper> i know.
[04:27] <nuSharper> what i meant was, maybe, if i re-install with the cable off, the auto-setup will keep me on the VGA output.
[04:27] <Shadow__X> in nvidia-settings under x server display config it only has one displayer there
[04:28] <nuSharper> yep. it says "TV-0".
[04:28] <nuSharper> i've tried "Detect Displays". no diff.
[04:28] <Shadow__X> alright i have to leave for a bit but look into nvidia-settings and your video card
[04:28] <Shadow__X> that will give you the answer or someone else
[04:29] <nuSharper> i guess i'll re-install it...
[04:29] <nuSharper> thx, anyway.
[04:30] <Shadow__X> yeah i mean i would suggest fixing it and not just reinstalling
[04:30] <nuSharper> i know. but i've been trying it for the last hour... all the obvious dialog-boxes have had no effect.
[04:31] <nuSharper> maybe if i uninstall the Nvidia drivers and re-install them...
[04:48] <Technophil1> Yep good idea and ensure system is up to date.
[04:52] <nuSharper> didnt work. i started the re-install. just noticed sth... the install has a dilog that asks whether i wanna use "Open" or "Proprietary" drivers. the same dialog asks if i want to "Enable TV-Out". during the previous install i chose "Enable". that's probably where the mess happened. i'm re-instaling with the S-Video cable off and the TV-Out option disabled. let's see.
[04:55] <Technophil1> yes enable
[04:56] <Technophil1> Woops, use propriatary
[04:56] <Technophil1> can enable later
[04:56] <nuSharper> thta's my plan. enabling it later.
[06:37] <map7> I keep getting Segmentation Faults when commit changes to my diskless mythbuntu client
[06:38] <map7> When it runs mksquashfs
[06:38] <superm1> check your memory to start then
[06:40] <map7> I've checked the bugs list for squashfs-tools and I see someone fixed a seg fault problem in 3.3 in November 2008, I'm still on 3.3.7 (the latest for ubuntu) is there a way to install squashfs4.0 under ubuntu 8.10?
[06:40] <map7> in the meantime I will run a mem test.
[06:40] <map7> sometimes it builds the image and other times it bombs out at different points
[06:40] <map7> if it makes the image, the image works fine on my PXE machines
[06:45] <map7> If I type 'make' in the source directory of squashfs4.0 it fails under ubuntu 8.10
[06:45] <superm1> if it's bombing out at different times, that's a good indicator of memory problems indeed
[06:46] <superm1> i'd not pull in the newer squashfs unless you have the kernel bits too
[06:47] <map7> I see squashfs 4.0 is for kernel 2.6.29 only, which I don't run, but it does say for that kernel no patching is necessary
[06:47] <map7> i'm doing a memtest, ill leave that going over night
[07:55] <map7> superm1 the memory test has passed once with no errors using Memtest+86
[07:56] <map7> does anyone else here get Seg Faults when using mksquashfs? and do you just keep trying until it passes?
[08:12] <Shadow__X> map7, let it run for like 2 or 3 times just in case
[08:12] <Shadow__X> you can also try a stress test
[08:12] <Shadow__X> just to make sure
[08:12] <Shadow__X> i have had flaky systems before
[08:12] <Shadow__X> no fun
[08:13] <map7> yeah I've left it going, and will leave it over night so that should be another 15hrs of testing
[08:13] <Shadow__X> sounds good
[08:16] <map7> well i'm going to drink beer now, bye
[08:17] <Shadow__X> see ya
[10:10] <citybird> when i run mythfilldatabase --manual how many times do i have to run though the channels? this is my 4th or 5th pass
[10:46] <Technophil> once!  Something sounds a wry
[11:05] <citybird> it failed after about the 7th pass but all the channels are there now.
[11:09] <citybird> Technophil: when i click to watch tv the screen goes blank for about 30 seconds and then comes right back to the main menu
[11:15] <Technophil> Something still sounds a wry.  Standard advise is to check you logs for clues as to what is failing
[11:25] <citybird> hey there is a mythbuntu pastebin
[11:26] <citybird> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f62bbc8fe
[11:26] <citybird> that's me
[11:28] <citybird> looks like they forgot to change the theme dir to 9.04
[11:36] <citybird> first thing it says is i forgot to bind video sources to the cards
[11:43] <citybird> super strange since it detects the signal when i run a channel scan
[12:00] <Technophil> R you running 9.04 front and back end?
[12:02] <Technophil> I am not surprised you get no pic when it says NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec
[12:03] <Technophil> Revise your video sources
[13:52] <citybird> Technophil: vid source setup gives very few things to change and it all looks good
[13:53] <citybird> running the setup again
[13:53] <citybird> and it's asking to add channels again
[17:04] <BaZiL> what is the latest stable version of mythbuntu ?
[17:04] <BaZiL> is 9.04 ok ?
[17:08] <superm1> yes 9.04 is the latest stable version
[17:08] <superm1> see /t
[17:17] <citybird> hey when i click watch tv it comes back to the menu
[17:19] <tgm4883> !logs | citybird
[17:19] <Zinn> citybird: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[17:20] <citybird> checked the logs and it says set up the 4 profiles. did that.
[17:21] <tgm4883> citybird, pastebin the logs
[17:21] <citybird> k
[17:23] <citybird> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f4d5904af
[17:23] <citybird> says error failed to find channel
[17:24] <tgm4883> citybird, what kind of tuner?
[17:24] <citybird> analog
[17:24] <tgm4883> who makes it?
[17:24] <citybird> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PVR-500
[17:25] <BaZiL> when i try to upgrade to 9.04 .. it runs untill Loading LIRC modules .. then it just stops there .. .. any solutions to that ?
[17:25] <citybird> Hauppauge PVR-500
[17:25] <tgm4883> citybird, ok, and what did you set it up as under mythtv-setup in step 2 (or was it step 1)
[17:26] <citybird> hmm have to run setup again to see?
[17:26] <tgm4883> citybird, yea, unless you remember
[17:27] <citybird> ok
[17:27] <citybird> pal-bg
[17:28] <citybird> pal teletext
[17:28] <citybird> europe west
[17:28] <citybird> part 2 is about capture card
[17:28] <tgm4883> ok
[17:28] <citybird> v4l dev/video0 and video1
[17:29] <citybird> card type is analog v4l capture card
[17:29] <tgm4883> citybird, ok, thats the problem
[17:29] <tgm4883> your card is setup wrong
[17:29] <citybird> IVTV right?
[17:29] <tgm4883> it should be setup as a hardware encoder card
[17:30] <citybird> or mjpeg capture card?
[17:31] <tgm4883> citybird, neither, it's a hardware encoder card
[17:31] <citybird> i can't find that option
[17:31] <citybird> checking
[17:32] <citybird> ah crap i think i need to install drivers
[17:33] <tgm4883> drivers for that card are already included
[17:33] <citybird> ok now i have to get fancy
[17:34] <tgm4883> fancy for what?  You select the type of card it is, that cards support is built into the kernel and works OOB
[17:35] <citybird> yes you are right i was trying to get to a terminal window
[17:35] <citybird> everything is detected
[17:35] <citybird> but the choices are:
[17:36] <citybird> mjpeg capture card
[17:36] <citybird> analog v4l captue card
[17:36] <citybird> IVTV mpeg-2 encoder card
[17:36] <citybird> is that it??
[17:37] <tgm4883> IVTV mpeg-2 encoder card
[17:37] <citybird> that's the only one that makes sense
[17:37] <tgm4883> sorry about that, I could have sworn it was called the other thing
[17:37] <citybird> ok thanks
[17:37] <tgm4883> it should say (PVR-XX0) or something like that
[17:38] <citybird> it does
[17:38] <tgm4883> ok
[17:38] <tgm4883> then thats the right one
[17:38] <tgm4883> you might have to do steps 3 and 4 again
[17:38] <citybird> should i rescan video sources or something now?
[17:38] <citybird> ah right ill do that now
[17:38] <tgm4883> well, not 3, but 4
[17:38] <tgm4883> yea do 4, you should get some channels listed now
[17:39] <citybird> started 3 already
[17:39] <citybird> should i do that EIT scan again or skip?
[17:40] <tgm4883> IIRC, EIT only works with digital cards
[17:41] <citybird> ah never knew that
[17:41] <citybird> might have to get a digital card for my second box
[17:41] <citybird> first box is for work
[17:42] <citybird> and i think it's hard to find the analog cards now.
[17:42] <citybird> running fetch channels from lintings sourc3
[17:42] <citybird> listings source
[17:43] <citybird> thanks for the tips
[17:43] <tgm4883> yea most are discontinued
[17:43] <citybird> finally!!
[17:43] <citybird> found where i should add the dam starting channel
[17:43] <citybird> looked all over for that
[17:43] <citybird> gotta remember
[17:44] <tgm4883> so it should all work now
[17:44] <tgm4883> the starting channel thing shouldn't be an issue once you set it
[17:44] <tgm4883> IIRC, it will default to the last channel you watched
[17:44] <citybird> takes a while to run
[17:45] <citybird> ah good makes sense
[17:48] <citybird> gotta run out for a while
[17:48] <citybird> thanks again.
[17:48] <citybird> bb on later
[19:28] <BaZiL> after i upgraded to 9.04 .. my webserver seem to be locked to only the mythtv site .. al my subdomains seems to be pointed to webmyth . how do i remove that ?
[19:31] <Jakal> Can someone help me? I am trying to set my screen resolution to 1360x768. but eah time i do the screen gets garbled then goes blank. this is the resolution of my hd tv. anyone know how to fix it?
[21:45] <MythbuntuGuest15> hi i have installed mythbuntu on my laptop and i added the virtual manager and then i restarted and all that came up was a blank scroon what can i do to repair it
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest15> huge problem for me
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest15> please help
[21:50] <MythbuntuGuest15> hello can anyone help me
[21:50] <MythbuntuGuest15> please?
[22:01] <superm1> !forums | MythbuntuGuest15
[22:01] <Zinn> MythbuntuGuest15: The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[23:14] <Jakal> i dont supose anyone answered my question while i was gone?


[00:23] <rgreening> ~twitter update Successful install.. restoring backed up files
[00:23] <kubotu> status updated
[00:29] <DaSkreech> What?
[00:29]  * DaSkreech pokes rgreening. Do that again
[00:35] <rgreening> lol
[00:36] <rgreening> poke poke DaSkreech
[00:36] <DaSkreech> :-)
[00:36] <DaSkreech> kubotu can update your twitter stream?
[00:38] <rgreening> yeah
[00:38] <rgreening> kubotu: help twitter
[00:38] <kubotu> twitter status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'twitter friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | twitter update [status] => updates your status on twitter | twitter identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your twitter username and password | twitter actions [on|off] => enable/disable twitting of actions (/me does ...)
[00:38] <rgreening> ~twitter friends
[00:38] <kubotu> could not get status for rgreening
[00:38] <rgreening> ~twitter friends status rgreening
[00:38] <kubotu> could not get status for rgreening
[00:39] <rgreening> ~twitter identify rgreening
[00:39] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[00:39] <rgreening> DaSkreech: ^ identify yourself in a priv channel. Then it remembers
[00:39] <DaSkreech> ha ha can it use gwibber?
[00:47] <rgreening> dunno
[00:47] <apachelogger> ~wp gwibber
[00:47] <kubotu> no results found for gwibber
[00:47] <apachelogger> -.-
[00:47] <apachelogger> ~google gwibber
[00:47] <kubotu> Results for gwibber: 1. Gwibber - Trac: http://www.google.comhttps://cixar.com/tracs/gwibber/wiki | 2. gwibber - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/gwibber | 3. Gwibber in Launchpad: http://www.google.comhttps://launchpad.net/gwibber/
[00:48] <apachelogger> hm
[00:48] <apachelogger> didn't parsing work the other day?
[00:48] <vorian> ~google obama the messiah
[00:48] <kubotu> Results for obama the messiah: 1. Is Barack Obama the Messiah?: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ | 2. Farrakhan on Obama: 'The Messiah is absolutely speaking': http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539 | 3. Obama for Messiah '08: http://www.obamaformessiah.com/
[00:48] <vorian> haha
[00:48] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmm
[00:49] <apachelogger> maybe parsing is only broken for single search terms
[00:49] <rgreening> alo alo apachelogger et vorian
[00:49] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: how would that be working?
[00:49] <vorian> heya rgreening
[00:49] <apachelogger> hoy rgreening
[00:49] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Hmm?
[00:49] <rgreening> I'm running for a re-install. Just restoring my backed up stuff. Worked perfect.
[00:49] <rgreening> s/for/from
[00:49] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: a bot using gwibber
[00:50] <vorian> i saw your tweet rgreening
[00:50] <vorian> congrats :)
[00:50] <rgreening> yar.
[00:50] <DaSkreech> it has a libgwibber
[00:50] <DaSkreech> trying to figure out a kwibber client
[00:50] <DaSkreech> With plasmoid :)
[00:50] <apachelogger> does not
[00:50] <vorian> \o/
[00:50] <rgreening> What's the fix to get Konversation to open urls in konqueror?
[00:50] <apachelogger> also
[00:50] <apachelogger> isn't libgwibber python?
[00:50] <vorian> /o\
[00:51] <apachelogger> you know, someone else needs to do the reviewing of KDE releases
[00:52] <apachelogger> I am pretty near to brain disfunction
[00:52] <vorian> how many do you have left?
[00:52] <rgreening> lol
[00:52] <apachelogger> 6 or so
[00:53] <apachelogger> the bigger ones to upload
[00:53] <apachelogger> which is going to take ages
[00:53] <rgreening> and apachelogger is only a young pup... imagine me who ...
[00:53] <rgreening> is older
[00:53] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew god darn hippies
[00:53] <rgreening> lol
[00:57] <vorian> hippies
[00:58] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSadVkKMk4A and those swingers...
[00:59] <ArkoldThos> heya :)
[01:00] <rgreening> ok, seriously, how do i get Konversation to use konqueror ro open freakin urls in the chat window... gaah
[01:01] <apachelogger> bug 218668
[01:02] <apachelogger> rgreening: if I was using konvi I probably could tell you :P
[01:02] <rgreening> quassel man
[01:02] <rgreening> I had it working before...
[01:03] <DaSkreech> rgreening: keeps opening them in Firefox?
[01:03] <rgreening> no, no firefox installed, so it opens a "open with" and nothing works.
[01:03] <DaSkreech> ah mine opns with abrowser
[01:05] <rgreening> no way to config kde 3.5 apps. I see what the complaints are about...
[01:06] <DaSkreech> No kcontrol or any such
[01:07] <ScottK> rgreening: There's an option in Konversation to pick a browser.  Check it and stuff Konqueror in there for your choice.
[01:07] <DaSkreech> we should make up a list of pain points in moving from KDE3 to KDE4
[01:07] <DaSkreech> Might be useful for other distro
[01:07] <rgreening> where.. I must have missed it
[01:07] <rgreening> ScottK: ^
[01:08]  * ScottK looks
[01:10] <ScottK-laptop> Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Miscellaneous -> Use custom web browser: check off and add konqueror '%u'
[01:10] <ScottK> rgreening: ^^^
[01:11] <apachelogger> rgreening: that is most likely konversations fault
[01:11] <rgreening> ah. hmm... we should probably have defaulted it to konqueror in the build huh
[01:11] <rgreening> lol
[01:11] <rgreening> intepid-update maybe?
[01:12] <rgreening> yay. works now
[01:12] <rgreening> ty ScottK
[01:12] <apachelogger> it probably tries to detect the desktop, it fails to detect KDE, because it doesn't work with KDE 4 properly and falls back to openwith instead of using kfmclient or xdg-open
[01:24] <rgreening> apachelogger... for kdenightly/neon.... is there a way to install it as the default DE? I was going to setup a intrepid VM and wanted to take KDE 4.2 for a spin...
[01:24] <rgreening> or whats the right wat to get it running
[01:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: just install it and remove the regular kdelibs
[01:48] <rgreening> Just kdelibs?
[01:48] <rgreening> and deps (obviously)
[01:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: Feel like doing the MIR for powerdevil?  The sooner it's promoted, the sooner Guidance can die.
[01:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: powerdevil is part of kdebase in 4.2
[01:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Ah.
[01:52] <rgreening> not easily ported?
[01:52] <ScottK> Then it won't need a MIR since it's in a source package already in Main.
[01:52] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, removing kdelibs will remove most other stuff anyway
[01:53] <rgreening> okies
[02:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: interesting posts
[02:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.  Any in particular?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: latest blog post, in particular
[02:10] <ScottK> Oh.  That one just seemed like common sense to me, but it's gotten lots of comments.
[02:10]  * Hobbsee is pondering getting her friend to switch, or so.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> well, it is, somewhat.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> but what to actually do for those windows-y apps, etc...
[02:11] <ScottK> Of course you can install KDE on Windows now.
[02:11] <ScottK> Just to keep us kind of on topic here.
[02:12] <ScottK> Interesting news from .au: http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24561082-5013040,00.html
[02:12] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Tried Kubuntu Intrepid yet?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> nasty.  Good chance to switch them to ubuntu and such
[02:13] <Hobbsee> been seeing an incremental uptake of ubuntu at uni, actually
[02:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK: only in a VM for a bit.
[02:14] <rgreening> Hobbsee: I have at least 10 fiends/family switched and they all love it. None are technical at all either
[02:14] <ScottK> I do think it turned out quite well and it really is a lot more modern looking that KDE3
[02:14] <ScottK> I saw a Ubuntu Hardy desktop at the Python Intrest Group meeting I went to last week and it looked old and tired in comparison.  No idea how Ubuntu Intrepid would look next to it.
[02:15] <rgreening> My parents, who are in their 60's and computer illiterate use it for email, chatting, etc.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> rgreening: her dad likes it.  I should take a cd over there.
[02:15] <rgreening> :)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> been slowly converting him
[02:15] <Hobbsee> pity i don't have an alternate cd, to upgrade his
[02:16] <rgreening> Mom and dad wanted a new computer but a limited budget. I got them one without windows to save them 100$.
[02:16] <rgreening> Installed hardy and it worked perfect.
[02:16] <rgreening> Im still trying to convince my sister...
[02:17] <Hobbsee> it'll just be some old dos programs that won't work, i expect.
[02:17] <rgreening> My wife was easy to convert.   "No, I will not fix your computer"
[02:17] <rgreening> lol.
[02:18] <ScottK> I think I've seen that shirt.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> so have I, but i don't have one
[02:20] <Hobbsee> OTOH, i probably oculdnt' wear it to work
[02:21] <Hobbsee> "oh, you're doing a computing degree?  <cue talk about all the problems with his windows not working, and a format being needed>"
[02:23] <rgreening> when someone with windows ask me to help them, I hand then a Kubuntu CD and say, insert, wait, click install and then I walk away.
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:24] <rgreening> :)
[02:36] <rgreening> When I go to UDS, I'm going to have to bring some stuff from here :)
[02:36] <rgreening> for my Kubuntu buds
[02:38] <ScottK> Get stacks of CDs because shipit seems to only want to send me ugly brown ones.
[02:45] <rgreening> lol
[02:45] <rgreening> I was thinking more along the lines of something Newfoundlandish...
[02:46] <rgreening> I think Im taking my Camera too ... It's a Rebel-Xt D-SLR
[02:46] <rgreening> so I can get some snappies
[02:46] <rgreening> for the blog
[03:16] <ScottK> Man.  Spend an hour or two writing a blog post on details of new mail server features in Intrepid.  Ho-hum.  A comment or two.  Spend 10 minutes zapping out something on switching your kids to Linux and the comments pour in.
[12:36] <glade88> hello.. what would be the binary for the embedded konsole in dolphin? kdebase?
[12:39] <stdin> glade88: yes
[12:40] <mcas> hello
[12:40] <glade88> stdin: thanks :)
[12:40] <mcas> has anyone seen a problem with the colours in kde4?
[12:41] <mcas> please look at this screenshot
[12:41] <mcas> http://www.asshaueronline.de/pictures/kde4-mcas.jpeg
[12:43] <apachelogger> mcas: you are suffering from a case of "I fucked up my settings - need HALP" :P
[12:43] <apachelogger> mcas: systemesttings -> appearance -> icons -> advanced -> reset to defaults
[12:45] <mcas> apachelogger: thanks but the icons didn't changed
[12:45] <apachelogger> relogin
[12:45] <apachelogger> or maybe something doens't get reset
[12:45] <mcas> brb
[12:48] <mcas> re
[12:48] <mcas> apachelogger: still the same problem
[12:48] <apachelogger> mcas: paste your kdeglobals config
[12:48] <mcas> but if i click on the K-button it changed to blue
[12:49] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:50] <mcas> which config do you mean?
[12:50] <apachelogger> .kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[12:52] <mcas> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/493
[12:59] <apachelogger> mcas: search for Icons, remove all section of the sort [PanelIcons] [MainToolbarIcons] etc.
[12:59] <apachelogger> then _KILL_ your X
[13:01] <mcas> brb
[13:05] <mcas> re
[13:05] <mcas> apachelogger: same effect
[13:07] <apachelogger> mcas: paste the new kdeglobals
[13:12] <mcas> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/494
[13:25] <apachelogger> mcas: maybe it is related to the Color stuff
[13:25] <apachelogger> if it's not that I am pretty much out of ideas
[13:26] <mcas> i did a reset to defaults in the color section
[13:26] <mcas> no result
[14:27] <Sime> anyone know a simple way of hunting non-standard installed .debs?
[14:54] <apachelogger> Sime: non-standard installed?
[15:13] <Sime> ppa etc.
[15:13] <Sime> it's working now...
[15:16] <apachelogger> I think I found a bug ;-)
[15:16] <apachelogger> Sime: in theory you should be able to use dpkg-query to get all packages which not originated in Ubuntu, however that seems to be broken
[15:16] <Sime> oh
[15:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: migration to akonadi is at least going to start in 4.2
[15:21]  * apachelogger is going to prepare a couple of scripts (if not already by upstream) to easy migration testing
[15:25] <smarter> http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/network-manager.jpg << I think I saw something like that on another OS... :P
[15:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please find a way to be making it optional.
[15:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: optional?
[16:00] <glade88> my.. is bugs.kde.org down? oO
[16:01] <Arby> glade88: not for me
[16:02] <Arby> if it's throwing errors wait a few minutes and try again
[16:02] <Arby> it does that a lot
[16:03] <glade88> Arby: I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/65776/
[16:03] <glade88> trying since about 10 mins now
[16:03] <Arby> glade88: that's a new one on me
[16:03] <glade88> :)
[16:04] <Arby> might as well send the e-mail as suggested
[16:04] <glade88> ok
[16:04] <glade88> I'll do that..
[16:04] <Arby> I've seen it fail due to lack of available database connections quite frequently
[16:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd like the option to keep my mail in the current maildir store I use and not be forced to akonadi.  Dunno if that's possible or not.
[16:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: I guess so
[16:05] <apachelogger> but akonadi is more reliable in any case
[16:05] <apachelogger> so I am not sure we shouldn't force it
[16:05] <apachelogger> I don't really feel like supporting these broken maildirs anymore TBH
[16:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've never lost a message due to using Kmail and maildir.  From my POV there is nothing possible more reliable.
[16:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: I did some years ago, nothing recent but according to bug reports the problems persist
[16:06] <apachelogger> so for you the reliability would just stay the same, but everything would be fast ;-)
[16:06] <ScottK> The only problems I've seen are with IMAP and that's Kmail IMAP, not maildir.
[16:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: I may believe that eventually, but I'm skeptical up front.
[16:07] <ScottK> Faster would be nice, but not if it's going to risk my data.
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I never saw mysql loose data ;-) but I understand the POV. that is why I want to make testing as easy as possible, so we don't have to fear dataloss once akonadi becomes default
[16:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: This is roughly equivalent to switching to Outlook .pst from my POV.
[16:10] <ScottK> Switching from a standardized data format with lots of diverse tool and a long history to some opaque sheme that is unproven.
[16:10]  * ScottK has to run.
[16:11] <seele> ScottK: see you in a few!
[16:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: you said essentially the same about switching to KDE 4 :P
[16:11]  * seele shoud probably run too.. she's probably furhter away thank ScottK :P
[16:11] <apachelogger> should be well thought through either way
[16:12] <ScottK> seele: I have to drop kids off in multiple locations first.
[16:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: My primary desktop is still Dapper ...
[16:14] <apachelogger> nothing wrong with that but the KMail maildir implimentation is buggy, you might not be affected but a lot of people are and especially the IMAP issues hurt
[16:14]  * smarter lost half his mails one month ago
[16:14] <smarter> not sure if I should blame KMail or something else
[16:15] <apachelogger> probably kmail, it likes to loose or cripple stuff from what I read
[16:15] <apachelogger> but in a completely random way, which makes debugging one awful job
[16:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: at least for kcal/kabc the migration is going to happen via compat resources which import the data and then the apps use akonadi, so I guess it should be possible to just use the compat resources instead of akonadi itself
[16:50] <apachelogger> Guest21892: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/271598
[16:50] <apachelogger> most awesome
[16:52] <larsivi> hi - I am upgrading to ibex from hardy, but it doesn
[16:52] <larsivi> doesnt start - /var seems to be mounted as a read only filesystem
[16:52] <apachelogger> #kubuntu for support
[17:01] <larsivi> apachelogger: sure, but I rarely ever get answers there
[17:02] <glade88> apachelogger: what would replace skim in jaunty?
[17:02] <glade88> apachelogger: and why was it added to intrepid anyway?
[17:02] <apachelogger> glade88: the Qt 4 bridge
[17:02] <apachelogger> I am not sure skim is part of the default installation anymore
[17:02] <apachelogger> it caused problems with the qt4 bridge IIRC
[17:03] <glade88> well it was introduced on 26th oct iirc
[17:03] <glade88> and had to be immediately patched since it was causing app lags
[17:04] <apachelogger> it got introduced on 2006-02-04 :P
[17:04] <glade88> o.O
[17:04] <glade88> wasn't it remoed after then, I didn't have it until the 26th oc update
[17:04] <glade88> *oct
[17:05] <apachelogger> no, you just didn't see it because of a patch in kde4libs
[17:05] <apachelogger> eventually it was by default installed the whole intrepid development cycle
[17:05] <glade88> hm.. oic
[17:05] <apachelogger> just not listed in the menu
[17:06] <smarter> skim was disabled because it doesn't work with Qt4 apps
[17:06] <glade88> and I suddenly noticed it when it generated this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/289733
[17:06] <smarter> or at least kde4 apps
[17:06] <Guest21892> smarter: I guess it can be removed from jaunty then?
[17:06] <smarter> it should be ported to qt4, not removed
[17:07] <apachelogger_> smarter: there is no port whatsoever
[17:07] <apachelogger_> I don't know what the use of skim is anyway
[17:07] <smarter> languages with characters that can't be all displayed on a keyboard
[17:07] <glade88> apachelogger_: maybe in OO.o transliteration?
[17:07] <apachelogger_> well, that is what scim-bridge is doing
[17:08] <apachelogger_> no clue what the use of skim is
[17:08] <smarter> skim is a tray icon to configure the thing and make it work
[17:08] <apachelogger_> I guess it should be ported then
[17:08] <apachelogger_> but meanwhile removed from the archives
[17:08] <apachelogger_> there is no point in having unusable and confusing software stick around
[17:09] <smarter> as you want
[17:09]  * apachelogger_ is falling asleep because of the lightning fast branching with launchpad
[17:12] <apachelogger> smarter: go test 4.1.3
[17:12] <apachelogger> all except artwork stacked-online
[17:13] <smarter> built for amd64? :P
[17:14] <apachelogger> smarter: install a vm
[17:15] <apachelogger> smarter: or get me a build server
[17:15] <smarter> still no news of private ppas?
[17:15] <apachelogger_> no
[17:16] <apachelogger_> seriously, why can't I invoke a branch command in launchpad directly?
[17:17] <apachelogger_> running it through my maschine is so pointless
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/hardy
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/intrepid rather
[17:28] <apachelogger> *note to myself, I don't like konversation*
[17:29] <apachelogger> hrr
[17:29] <apachelogger> there we go
[17:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: please test the fix for bug 271598
[19:01]  * claydoh loves reading apachelogger 's comments in launchpad :)
[20:00] <larsivi_> hi - I asked here a couple of days ago whether hardy-ibex upgrade would convert my mail accounts to kde4, and was told yes
[20:00] <larsivi_> this appears to not have happened, in fact the kmail settings dialog is completely blank
[20:05] <smarter> kmail has never been reliable for storing datas
[20:06] <larsivi_> I mean, there are no buttons/fields in the settings dialog beyond the ones at the bottom (ok, apply, cancel)
[20:06] <smarter> strange
[20:06] <smarter> could you provide a screenshot?
[20:07] <larsivi_> I could but don't really see the point - there is nothing to there :P
[20:08] <smarter> that could always give us a clue
[20:09] <larsivi_> I'll get back to you, have to put my boy in bed
[20:10] <smarter> ok
[20:56] <snikker> bluetooth doesn't work in 8.10?
[21:01] <rgreening> nope. in the release notes...
[21:01] <rgreening> the bluez stack got updated at the last minute and it broke in KDE
[21:02] <snikker> is not possible to fix it?
[21:03] <rgreening> not until KDE solid updates can be backported I believe
[21:04] <snikker> oh, this is not a good news... :(
[21:49] <apachelogger> claydoh: of course you do :P
[21:50] <claydoh> heh
[21:50]  * claydoh likes angery talk :)
[21:52] <claydoh> s/rough/angry
[21:59] <apachelogger> I am wondering how exactly bug 43238 is a KDE issue
[21:59] <apachelogger> smarter: thoughts?
[22:00] <smarter> it's not
[22:01] <smarter> gtk open/save dialogs just suck :P
[22:01] <smarter> one solution is to use kgtk
[22:01] <smarter> which make gtk apps use kde dialogs
[22:01] <apachelogger> that is no solution
[22:01] <apachelogger> that is a workaround
[22:01] <apachelogger> ~facts about apachelogger
[22:01] <kubotu> [5/13] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/13] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/13] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers
[22:01] <smarter> :}
[22:01] <apachelogger> bouncing back to firefox
[22:01] <smarter> so, we just have to hope we get a good Firefox Qt
[22:02] <smarter> or that webkit will rule them all
[22:03] <apachelogger> webkit does rule em all
[22:22] <apachelogger> bug 248366
[22:24] <apachelogger> xerosis: most assaulting
[22:25] <apachelogger> don't get how this is caused by xine-plugin though
[22:26] <xerosis> the mindd boggles
[22:27] <apachelogger> ahhh
[22:30] <apachelogger> xerosis: any clue where that would be displayed anyway?
[22:31] <xerosis> apachelogger: the only time I've seen that was in gxine I think, is it used as a browser plugin?
[22:31] <apachelogger> possibly
[22:32] <apachelogger> xerosis: feel free to close that bug as won't fix ;-)
[22:32] <smarter> xine has an ui too
[22:32] <xerosis> ah yeah, xine-ui
[22:33]  * smarter remembers using it, like 3 years ago :]
[22:33] <apachelogger> smarter: it doesn't use that logo though
[22:34] <xerosis> using gxine would account for the gnome logo
[22:34] <smarter> dunno, I thought it had some kind of splash screen
[22:34] <smarter> xerosis: probably
[22:35]  * xerosis installs to check
[22:36] <xerosis> nope, that has a lovely 3d logo
[22:38] <apachelogger> stdin: please follow SRU for bug 290589
[22:39] <stdin> apachelogger: I wanted some feedback on the patch before I took it further
[22:39] <apachelogger> okies
[22:39] <apachelogger> stdin: where did you ask for feedback? :P
[22:39] <stdin> here :)
[22:39] <apachelogger> did not see
[22:39] <stdin> it was a couple days ago now
[22:40] <stdin> I got called on babysitting duty this week
[22:40]  * apachelogger hugs stdin
[22:52] <apachelogger> I think jonny boy got lost again
[23:12] <ScottK> Today, for me, should be titled "Not quite enough time to go all the way home".
[23:12] <ScottK> Home for the first time in ~8 hours.
[23:12]  * ScottK waves at seele.
[23:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'll look at the Konversation/Konqueror thing a bit later.
[23:13] <ScottK> Dinner/getting kids to bed first.
[23:19]  * seele waves at ScottK
[23:19] <seele> ScottK: ugh.. after a brownie AND a milkshake i dunno if i'm going to make it to dinner tonight
[23:20] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:20] <ScottK> You only had half the milkshake though.
[23:24] <seele> yes, but the milkshake was humungous.. so it was really two milkshakes
[23:25] <seele> it was better than the brownie too.. too bad i didnt drink the milkshake before i ate the brownie
[23:26] <Arby> what's our policy for bugs in kpdf (KDE3) now that we have okular in KDE4?
[23:27] <ScottK> Arby: No kdpf in Intrepid so won'tfix unless it's potentially SRU worthy and then look into that.
[23:28] <Arby> ScottK: is completely unable to print considered SRU worthy?
[23:28] <Arby> specifically bug 230134
[23:29] <Arby> it's actually kpdf that can't print, everything else is fine
[23:29] <ScottK> Potentially.  How certain is it that it's kpdf's fault?
[23:29] <Arby> kghostview is fine,openoffice is fine
[23:29] <apachelogger> according to upstream our KPDF is patched useless
[23:30] <ScottK> Maybe.  Arby I'd mark it won'tfix (due to not in Jaunty) and nominate for Hardy.
[23:31] <rgreening> I hate poker! grr.. Had a Royal Flush chip leader... next hand had a straigh someone flopped quad 10s
[23:31] <Arby> ScottK: thanks


[00:01] <derekv> here's an interesting thought, you'd usually just have a String column in a table, you wouldn't usually have a FK to a table called "strings" and use it for every column in every table that calls for a string
[00:03] <derekv> i think partly that is because there is no interesting difference between the string "derekv" irregardless of where it appears... it's identity _is_ its data
[00:03] <derekv> (plus a hundred other reasons)
[00:10] <derekv> like if i had a VehicleBasicDescription{ model_year: num, doors: num, ext_color: color } ... and then I had Vehicle{ vin: string, description: VehicleBasicDescription } and Buyer{ name: string, prefered_vehicle: VehicleBasicDescription }
[00:10] <derekv> there's no conceptual reason to have VehicleBasicDescription be it's own table
[12:48] <cmaloney> GOod morning
[12:49] <cmaloney> Heading to the vet this morning for Pixel's check-up
[12:49] <cmaloney> Looking forward to trying to get her into the cat carrier. :)
[16:11] <rick_h_> cat party time
[18:23] <jrwren> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MNOPS1C/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1MPOO6SP217SS&coliid=I2QJAIOV0WK9X  for linux, what do you think?
[21:05] <cmaloney> Good afternoon
[21:06] <cmaloney> jrwren: 32GB is awfully small
[21:08] <cmaloney> for $30 more you can get the 15" model with 500GB 5400 RPM drive, and double the memory
[21:08] <cmaloney> Though the ratingsa aren't that great it seems
[21:10] <cmaloney> Acc. to the Q/A section 10GB of that eMMC are reserved for Windows recovery
[21:10] <cmaloney> Might as well get a Chromebook at that rate
[21:19] <_stink_> 5 hour battery would be my biggest turn off
[21:19] <_stink_> that should be on a personal ad
[21:19] <cmaloney> That's about what I get on my laptop
[21:19] <_stink_> "biggest turnoff: 5 hour battery"
[21:19] <cmaloney> I have an older battery / machine though
[21:19] <_stink_> all i have is a chromebook these days
[21:19] <cmaloney> so I get about 3 hours tops
[21:19] <_stink_> so yeah i'm spoiled for battery
[21:20] <_stink_> i traded a real OS for a good battery :P
[21:42] <_stink_> anyone in here do radio controlled hobby type stuff?
[21:42] <_stink_> i'm looking for a radio recommendation
[22:00] <dickweed> jrwren: Get a c720 for the same money. Similar specs with exceptional linux support
[22:00] <dickweed> and a much longer battery life
[22:05] <dickweed> hmm reading about the proc in that computer and i may be wrong about the battery life
[22:07] <dickweed> the silvermont architecture was designed to be very low TDP (4.5W). The Haswell chips are all fundamentally the same from the 2955u to the 3000$ xeons, the differences are entirely outside the core. Thus, the silvermont processor (in the laptop you linked) may get better battery life but the 2955u (in the c720) will perform better thread-for-thread. at least from what i can see
[22:10] <mrgoodcat> i really have to figure out how to get my client to stop doing that after netsplits
[22:10] <mrgoodcat> changes my name to my super old immature username
[22:25] <cmaloney> _stink_: my FIL used to do hobby RC stuff but his stuff is super-old.
[23:02] <_stink_> ok np.  i found #rc on efnet and they're pretty helpful
[23:42] <cmaloney> cool


[14:37] <jgdx> After migrating to Ubuntu.Components 1.3, autopilot can no longer find "Label" in System Settings. Using the vis, it seems they are now called UCLabel?
[14:38] <jgdx> Is this a known issue?
[15:56] <balloons> jgdx, interesting. Should have a look at the bugs and see
[15:57] <balloons> is a helper failing, or just your tests? And it's likely not an 'issue' so much as intended
[15:57] <balloons> i believe they are trying to use unique object names
[16:07] <jgdx> balloons, a local helper (in system settings).
[16:08] <jgdx> balloons, the recommendation from sdk team: do not use “Label” to find labels (if I read that right).
[16:08] <balloons> jgdx, ahh. Yea, so no bug for the ui-toolkit helpers (which I wouldn't expect to see, as they try and keep it updated)
[16:08] <jgdx> prob not
[16:10] <jgdx> but if people follow the “Good Example” from [1], they might fall into the same trap as me when migrating to 1.3. [1] https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/autopilot/python/1.5.0/guides-good_tests/
[18:28] <balloons> jgdx, specifically what on that page?
[20:39] <jgdx> balloons, save_button = self.select_single('Button', objectName='btnSave') for example. When using the uitk the Button name isn't API
[20:39] <jgdx> or so I'm told
[20:42] <balloons> would they rather see self.select_single(objectName='btnSave') or something else


[07:46] <lifeless> jelmer: also is https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/352807 a relevant issue to the refactoring of mirrors you've been working on?
[07:46] <_mup_> Bug #352807: Prevent registering branches mirrored from Launchpad <lp-code> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/352807 >
[09:00] <lifeless> man I love amqp oopses. WIN
[19:27] <jelmer> lifeless: hi
[19:28] <jelmer> lifeless: I indeed haven't worked on bug 253127 yet
[19:28] <_mup_> Bug #253127: no way to tell launchpad to 'start over' on a code import <branch-puller> <lp-code> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/253127 >
[19:28] <jelmer> lifeless: the other bug, bug 352807, is a dupe of a bug I have been working on
[19:28] <_mup_> Bug #352807: Prevent registering branches mirrored from Launchpad <lp-code> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/352807 >
[19:29] <jelmer> it's no longer possible to create code mirrors, but it it is still possible to import things from Launchpad in the UI (the importer will refuse imports from launchpad.net)
[22:27] <lifeless> jelmer: will you update the metadata for 352807 then?
[22:53] <jelmer> lifeless: done
[22:54] <lifeless> thanks
[22:56] <lifeless> jelmer: do we blacklist all our server urls - all of them? [ip, A record, CNAMEs etc] ?
[22:56] <lifeless> jelmer: also congrats on having a sane parliment
[22:57] <wgrant> lifeless: No -- there are probably vulnerabilities in the internal network.
[22:57] <wgrant> But we do blacklist bazaar-internal
[22:57] <wgrant> Which is the obvious one.
[22:57] <jelmer> lifeless: no, we don't blacklist IPs or cnames
[22:57] <wgrant> And that's not the default vhost, so it's only accessible by that name.
[22:57] <lifeless> good good
[22:57] <jelmer> lifeless: haha
[22:58] <jelmer> lifeless: what did they do?
[22:58] <lifeless> http://torrentfreak.com/dutch-parliament-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111224/
[23:10] <jelmer> oh, nice, I hadn't actually heard that yet
[23:12] <jelmer> though the alternatives could be worse, there has been talk about high additional taxes on ipods, harddisks and internet connections - just like we already have on empty cds.
[23:13] <jelmer> (the extra taxes are supposed to go to the collective copyright holders who then distribute them. in practice they just seem to sit on a lot of that money)
[23:33] <micahg> there seems to be a problem with E-Mail upload acknowledgements
[23:38] <micahg> nevermind, my mail box filled up...
[23:40] <lifeless> clearly you need to use hotmail :P
[23:41] <micahg> it's frustrating, I have a 100k message limit per account


[12:20] <nixternal> i wouldn't know FireRabbit, ifyou can get ahold of one of the motu's, or imbrandon to confirm, that would be your best bet
[06:12] <nixternal> mdke: packaging guide -> french translations are borked
[06:15] <nixternal> rather boring isn't it ;)
[06:16] <nixternal> mdke: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26706/
[06:46] <nixternal> note to self, add packing and server guide to debian/install
[07:27] <nixternal> packaging guide, server guide translations complete > updated ubuntu makefile with new translations > updated debian/install with new translations > french translations for packaging guide are broken, refer to pastebin link from about 1 hour back 26706
[09:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66047 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Shortcuts for non-keyboard characters in Gnome, as well as compose-key combinations, are undocumented" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66047
[10:27] <mdke> nixternal: ok, I'm familiar with that problem. Leave it and I'll sort it
[10:27] <mdke> nice work
[10:48] <mdke> nixternal: just had a look at your work - looks excellent. Thanks a lot
[10:56] <mdke> trappist: around by any chance?
[11:03] <mdke> trappist: ok, I've emailed you
[12:04] <rob> hey, have you guys checked out XML Copy Editor?
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66088 in ubuntu-doc "typo in german ubuntu book" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66088
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66089 in ubuntu-doc "Typo in german ubuntu book" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66089
[05:38] <localuser> Hello.  I wanted to introduce myself
[08:01] <nixternal> i think localuser needed a little more than 4 minutes to introduce himself, but oh well ;)
[08:03] <nixternal> ya mdke, i need to mess around and learn the insides and outs of those po files so i will be able to diagnose them a little better, but i didn't want to mess with it, especially since i didn't know french, and didn't know 100% what i was doing ;)
[09:30] <nixternal> Burgundavia: you seen this -:> http://bde.enscp.fr/Assos/CCP/cercle_logo.gif
[09:31] <nixternal> http://bde.enscp.fr/Assos/CCP/ccp.html
[09:32] <nixternal> http://bde.enscp.fr/Assos/CCP/equipe.html
[09:32] <nixternal> that is quite bogus
[11:31] <mdke> nixternal: no problem, it's caused by a rosetta bug.