[00:04] <bsnider> crdlb, a working fglrx? that's a contradiction in terms
[00:07] <ckwalsh> I'm wondering, what is the current situation with Jaunty.  Is it in a state where I could run a reasonably stable ftp/web/mysql server, or should I wait?
[00:08] <ckwalsh> And will there be an upgrade path from this beta to the final release?
[00:08] <penguin42> I wouldn't use it for a server yet - stuff is getting fixed still quite rapidly
[00:08] <ckwalsh> This wouldn't be a production server, just a small development environment
[00:08] <ckwalsh> but you suggest waiting?
[00:09] <penguin42> it'll probably work for something like that - but there are various known problems; e.g. there are some older Intel graphics cards that are no-go at the moment if you need graphics, and I think there are some who have had serious ext4 issues - if you use it
[00:12] <ckwalsh> I think I'll stick with Intrepid then
[00:15] <Linkin> hello!!
[00:15] <Ienorand> Is anyone else having problems with nvidia drivers? When installed they fail to load completely and I get dropped to low graphics/recovery modes
[00:15] <Linkin> i am having arabic symbols in my Username and password prompt
[00:15] <Linkin> i dont know why
[00:15] <Linkin> can someone help me with this?
[00:15] <Linkin> it happened right after i rebooted from an udate
[00:24] <ryanakca> What happened to the fuse module in jaunty?
[00:26] <QPrime> Linkin: same thing here.  I played around with the locale from a (cd image boot) settings a bit but got nowhere.  because this was just a VM install I simply reinstalled - it wasn't worth investigating it too deeply for me - but it sounds like a wider issues that might need looking into.
[00:34] <Linkin> QPrime: o mana that sucks    i would have to reinstall
[00:34] <Linkin> im downloading the iso right nw
[00:35] <QPrime> Linkin: you might not have to.  take a look in the forums to see if there is a resolution... but remember this is alpha/beta so things will break. :(  In my case it was just far easier for me to re-install than to spend the time looking for an answer.
[00:41] <jamiejackson1> i'm no amarok expert, but i can't get it to make any sound, though the songs are playing. is this a know issue?
[00:41] <penguin42> just amarok - are you getting any other sound?
[00:42] <J-a-k-e> hey, is there anyone here able to tell me if sound quality in ubuntu is up to scratch compared to windows?
[00:42] <bruce89> quality
[00:44] <bsnider> J-a-k-e, impossible question to answer
[00:44] <bsnider> what sound card?
[00:44] <J-a-k-e> sorry I should have specified I have a creative x-fi gamer card
[00:44] <bsnider> there is no linux support for that chip
[00:45] <bsnider> so i guess the answer is no
[00:45] <jamiejackson1> i get sounds from sound tests in the sound gui, penguin42
[00:45] <penguin42> jamiejackson1: And are you mostly running gnome or kde?
[00:45] <jamiejackson1> gnome
[00:45] <J-a-k-e> The card works fine on 8.10 if you install the linux drivers off the creative site
[00:46] <penguin42> jamiejackson1: Nod; I suspect amarok isn't using pulseaudio and is using something else that isn't playing nicely with it - I'm sure it can be made to though
[00:47] <J-a-k-e> they're the best drivers I've come across so for most users this would be fine but I find things just sound well.. flat compared to windows
[00:48] <jamiejackson1> penguin42: i'm not using pulseaudio, btw. i haven't had luck with pulseaudio on the two systems i've tried it on. i'm using alsa from the sound console
[00:48] <J-a-k-e> *& for most users
[00:48] <bsnider> the drivers off the creative site are a bad joke
[00:48] <penguin42> jamiejackson1: Nod; hmm I wonder if amarok knows that?
[00:48] <bsnider> audigy cards work well
[00:49] <jamiejackson1> penguin42: i'll poke around to see if i can find its settings for that, if it's got em
[00:49] <J-a-k-e> tru but clarity is twice what I get if I just install alsa or oss4
[00:52] <bsnider> J-a-k-e, i'm not sure where this conversation is supposed to go. a good driver is not going to materialize out of thin air. if you want good sound, go with an old audigy or an asus xonar. period.
[00:53] <jamiejackson1> i see no settings for sound architecture, penguin42
[00:55] <billybigrigger> anyone here have lm-sensors installed?
[00:56] <clarkeo> hi i have a problem, I reinstalled jaunty in the process forgetting that my home directory was encrypted and now i cant access my files! any hints i know you are supposed to have your login password and someother key that is stored in a file but my root directory was formatted so that is gone and i need to know if there is a way around that?
[00:57] <PhotoJim> well I'm getting 70 kBps installing Celestia... that is reasonable speed for 3G if not optimal
[00:57] <J-a-k-e> bsnider: So you're saying in this case my problem is a creative related driver Issue & if I had an asus or m-audio card for example music in ubuntu would sound as good as music in windows?
[00:58] <PhotoJim> oops, sorry, wrong window
[00:59] <bsnider> J-a-k-e, i don't know about m-audio, but absolutely. linux sound in general is in absolutely horrendous shape
[00:59] <bsnider> you can do tons of stuff in vista with effects and dts-connect and so on that you can't do in linux
[02:00] <billybigrigger> can someone who has lm sensors installed run sensors and tell me what they're -5V output is?
[02:03] <J-a-k-e> I'm not too worried about effects, I've just got a 2.1 system (2 channel stereo connected to the front audio jack, and bass redirect to a separate active sub connected to the subwoofer audio jack)
[02:06] <bsnider> i wouldn't expect a good x-fi driver for at least a year, and that's being optimistic
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> where can i specify DNS servers in jaunty please
[02:13] <J-a-k-e> ah well, I've been meaning to upgrade at some point anyway. You wouldn't happen to know what sort of support an asus xonar card has, are we talking just the basic driver or is it possible to control a multichannel speaker setup?
[02:13] <bsnider> ActionParsnip, /etc/resolv.conf
[02:13] <ActionParsnip> ok well the file isnt there, do I manually create it?
[02:14] <ActionParsnip> i was aware of the file, i just saw it missing and figured it was a "feature"
[02:14] <bsnider> of course it's there
[02:19] <scream> I have subscribed to Ubuntu bug mail, let us hope it is low-moderate volume. :)
[02:20] <bsnider> they're going to send you insects in the mail?
[02:20] <RAOF> scream: You mean... bug mail for all ubuntu packages?
[02:22] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: If you're using network-manager (and you probably are), System->Preferences->Network Connections, and select the connection you'd like to edit :)
[02:23] <RAOF> scream: If you've subscribed to all Ubuntu bug mail, "low volume" is not the word I'd use to describe it :).
[02:24] <scream> RAOF, all packages.
[02:24] <jamiejackson1> neither amarok nor youtube are producing sound, though the sound console tests work. any ideas?
[02:24] <RAOF> scream: Expect ~1K emails/day, then.
[02:25] <jamiejackson1> i think probably no sound apps are working but the sound test
[02:25] <scream> RAOF, I set an email filter and have adjusted the disk space quotas accordingly.  If there were a way to subscribe to only new bug reports, I do that instead.
[02:25] <scream> :)
[02:26] <jamiejackson1> what's a super simple sound test i can do, with a known good file. like where is the ubuntu login bongo drum file/
 prefs>sound?
[02:27] <bruce89> /usr/share/sounds/blah
[02:27] <jamiejackson1> thx, darthanubis, but that's the only thing that seems to be *working*
[02:27] <darthanubis> all the sounds are in system>prefs>sound
[02:27] <jamiejackson1> oh, okay
[02:28] <darthanubis> well play an mp3 file?
[02:29] <erichj> so the intel video drivers are going to suck for jaunty even after final, correct?
[02:31] <RAOF> erichj: Depends on what you mean by 'suck', I think.
[02:31]  * crdlb thinks the answer is yes :/
[02:32] <jamiejackson1> darthanubis: what's supposed to happen in prefs>sound with those sounds that are listed?
[02:32] <RAOF> I belive the decision has been made to not enable UXA by default, which will mean a lot of people hit EXA performance regressions, I think.
[02:32] <crdlb> but you'll be able to use UXA at your own risk
[02:32] <PhotoJim> erichj: to some degree, yes.  Windows drivers for Intel video are not all that great either at the moment.
[02:32] <jamiejackson1> are you supposed to be able to double click them or something, darthanubis? (i can't tell)
[02:32] <bsnider> there won't be any pixmap acceleration through uxa
[02:32] <erichj> RAOF: I used to be able to play 3d games and now I can't. even with UXA performance is the worst it's ever been. I have to dual-boot windows now just to play games
[02:33] <RAOF> erichj: That sounds like your drivers are just broken, not sucky :)
[02:33] <crdlb> 'glxinfo | grep -i renderer'
[02:34] <darthanubis> exa and uxa is for ati drivers and nothing sound related no? And do you not see the "play" button on the sound tab and the test button onthe devices sound tab? Those are for checking sound. Try a little hard my man.
[02:35] <bsnider> RAOF, how's the nouveau driver working for newer hardware?
[02:36] <erichj> Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2
[02:38] <RAOF> bsnider: Should be working reasonably well.  You'll get Xv and EXA as long as you enable an XRENDER based compositor, too.
[02:38] <RAOF> bsnider: Give it a whirl!  I've just uploaded a new snapshot with a bunch of nv5x fixes.
[02:38] <bsnider> randr?
[02:38] <RAOF> Of course.
[02:38] <djcip> running the latest on my Fujitsu 5010 - everything is supported but my wacom screen - how can i get the drivers and get x.org configure properly
[02:39] <RAOF> If you feel like building the drm module from a branch of libdrm git, you can even get kms.
[02:44] <bsnider> it has progressed a lot in 6 months then
[02:44] <RAOF> bsnider: For nv5x I think, yes.
[02:44] <jamiejackson1> okay, so ogg/wav files in /usr/share/sounds play fine in mplayer, so sound isn't completely hosed on the system. however, youtube and amarok make no sound. any ideas?
[02:45] <bsnider> is it picked automatically if i wipe out xorg.conf?
[02:46] <RAOF> No.  X will still auto-select nv if you have no xorg.conf.
[02:46] <jamiejackson1> darthanubis: exa and uxa is for ati drivers and nothing sound related no? And do you not see the "play" button on the sound tab and the test button onthe devices sound tab? Those are for checking sound. Try a little hard my man. <-- i tried that, but since i've got no sound, i didn't know if i ws doing it wrong, or if sound was just hosed for those. are your play buttons grey, btw?
[02:46] <RAOF> But all you'll need is Section "Device" Driver "nouveau" EndSection
[02:47] <darthanubis> jamiejackson1, my sounds works finally
[02:47] <darthanubis> after last nights upgrades
[02:47] <jamiejackson1> i'm up to date :(
[02:47] <darthanubis> jamiejackson1, I dount you should be beta testing
[02:48] <darthanubis> doubt
[02:48] <Polygon89> guys, i borked apt. How do i fix? my output: http://pastebin.com/m1215975f
[02:49] <darthanubis> many here have no busines running beta
[02:49] <holdenss> then why are you on this channel then?
[02:49] <darthanubis> at the very least you must know how to fix X and apt if they brak on you
[02:49] <bruce89> darthanubis: always the same
[02:49] <Polygon89> darthanubis, well then mr expert, tell me how to fix it =)
[02:49] <darthanubis> bruce89, I know, every release its the same thing
[02:50] <Polygon89> apt-get -f install does not work.
[02:50] <darthanubis> Polygon89, nice try
[02:50] <bruce89> wow, a lot of old kernels
[02:50] <jamiejackson1> i thought lots of beta testers was a good thing
[02:50] <bruce89> Polygon89: get rid of the old kernels for starters
[02:51] <Polygon89>  my /boot is the same for intrepid and jaunty
[02:51] <Polygon89> so the old kernels boot intrepid, the newer ones boot jaunty.
[02:51] <darthanubis> The topic used to specifically tell users to NOT try the pre release if those two major components you could not fix on your OWN
[02:51] <holdenss> why can't we all be a little patient? haha
[02:51] <Ampelbein> Polygon89: paste /var/run/grub/menu.lst.ucf-new to pastebin please
[02:51] <MTecknology> What's a really light weight text editor w/o running cli?
[02:52] <jamiejackson1> pico's a low learning curve clione, MTecknology
[02:52] <PhotoJim> MTecknology: I don't know.  the shell-based ones are easy enough to use, particularly pico.
[02:52] <Doctor_Nick> gedit
[02:52] <darthanubis> jamiejackson1, your not a "tester" though.  Big difference. Testers can do basic google searches for pre-existing bugs.
[02:52] <jamiejackson1> oh, sorry, MTecknology, thought you wanted cli
[02:53] <Polygon89> Ampelbein, http://pastebin.com/m5ae21986
[02:53] <darthanubis> MTecknology, nano
[02:53] <MTecknology> darthanubis: you missed the gui - cli isn't really gui
[02:53] <bruce89> Polygon89: get rid of the old kernels for starters
[02:53] <darthanubis> oh, sorry, MTecknology, thought you wanted cli
[02:53] <puetzk> MTecknology: I mostly use gvim (the GUI version of vim) - but it's still a keyboard-driven editor at heart
[02:54] <Polygon89> again, i dont want to get rid of them cause they boot intrepid......there is nothing wrong with them being there for now.
[02:54] <darthanubis> MTecknology, mousepad
[02:54] <Polygon89> the whole problem was that i accidently clicked 'cancel' when debconf asked me what i wanted to do with menu.lst when configuring some linux package
[02:54] <djcip> anyone have any experience with tablet pc, wacom, and ubuntu - and could help me out getting my tablet pc tablet function to work?
[02:54] <Polygon89> so it left it unconfigured and fucked up apt
[02:54] <bruce89> !ohmy
[02:55] <MTecknology> darthanubis: thanks :)
[02:55] <darthanubis> np
[02:55] <Polygon89> so......yeah i cant figure out how to fix that
[02:55] <puetzk> Polygon89: dpkg --configure -a will run any pending configure scripts
[02:55] <puetzk> or you can give a specific package instead of -a
[02:56] <Polygon89> that worked puetzk thanks.
[02:56] <bsnider> update-grub should refresh menu.lst
[02:56] <jamiejackson1> darthanubis: jamiejackson1, your not a "tester" though.  Big difference. Testers can do basic google searches for pre-existing bugs. <-- i suppose you're right. i often don't know when some (presumed) bug i've got matches with an arcane bug report
[02:56] <Polygon89> bsnider, the whole problem was that linux-generic was left unconfigured cause i accidentally pressed cancel.
[02:56] <Polygon89> bsnider, so all the linux packages that depended on that didn't get installed, etc etc
[02:58] <ethana2> title bar icons are offset in jaunty
[02:58] <ethana2> it cuts off the rightmost pixels
[02:58] <ethana2> looks horrible
[02:58] <ethana2> at least, this is dust sand
[02:58]  * ethana2 tries other themes
[02:58] <holdenss> not for myself it doesn't
[02:58] <crdlb> yeah, it's a bug in that theme
[02:59] <ethana2> confirmed, darkroom works fine
[02:59] <ethana2> crdlb: so you've seen it before then?
[02:59] <Polygon89> take a screenshot and bug report it
[02:59] <ethana2> Polygon89: sounds like it may have already been reported
[02:59] <bruce89> Polygon89: have you got rid of all the old kernels
[02:59] <crdlb> nah, I forgot to :)
[02:59] <crdlb> well, somebody else might have
[03:00] <ethana2> hmm
[03:00] <Polygon89> bruce89, after jaunty gets released im going to do a fresh install over intrepid anyway, i don't want to risk making intrepid unstable just yet.
[03:00] <ethana2> I alternate
[03:00] <ethana2> I have two ext3 partitions..
[03:00] <holdenss> ethana2, try this theme https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Impression/
[03:00] <bruce89> Polygon89: you have 2 partitions
[03:01] <Polygon89> bruce89, but everything in intrepid is tested against the kernels that were released during its cycle. its not tested against the newer ones, so therfore, i am going to leave them.
[03:02] <ethana2> eww
[03:02] <bruce89> Polygon89: I still don't know what you're doing, you have 2 partitions, one Intrepid, one Jaunty?
[03:02] <ethana2> holdenss: it separates different parts of windows
[03:02] <ethana2> aside from widgets, the entire window should be one solid color
[03:02] <ethana2> that color should reflect whether its in focus
[03:02] <ethana2> and should be draggable
[03:03] <ethana2> blurred translucency would be a good choice for that region
[03:03] <Polygon89> bruce89, i have 5 partitions over 2 disks. One hard drive, which usually holds a stable linux release, has /boot , /home, / and my swap space
[03:03] <Polygon89> bruce89, on a second disk, i have jaunty installed over it, and it uses the same /boot and swap space as the first install
[03:04] <bruce89> I see
[03:04] <Polygon89> so therefore, to prevent things breaking in intrepid, i just leave them =)
[03:04] <bruce89> but even then, you should only have one kernel installed in Intrepid and one in Jaunty
[03:04] <holdenss> ethana2, if you say so, but love that theme in jaunty at the moment
[03:04] <bruce89> and a shared /home is the way to misery
[03:04] <Polygon89> bruce89, eh yeah you are right, but im lazy =P
[03:04] <Polygon89> i don't have a shared home. they are separate.
[03:05] <bruce89> Polygon89: not really that difficult, just go into aptitude and remove the obselete packages
[03:05] <Polygon89> =P
[03:07] <ali1234> Polygon89: maybe you know this, but grub-update is trying to change the menu.lst so that your intrepid kernels boot with the jaunty partition as root
[03:08] <Polygon89> ali1234, yeah i know, i jsut had to edit menu.lst to correct the UUID'S of the older kernels to point to intrepid
[03:08] <Polygon89> its because i have it installed on a different disk, apparently grub-install doesn't like it when that happens
[03:09] <ali1234> right
[03:09] <holdenss> you all experiencing heat issues with jaunty beta?
[03:09] <Polygon89> not me.
[03:09] <PhotoJim> my netbook runs as hot with Jaunty as it does with XP.
[03:10] <holdenss> for laptops i was referring to i mean
[03:10] <Polygon89> still fine here.
[03:11] <KD7SPO-rod> My Dell Inspiron E1705 is running fine
[03:11] <holdenss> could be just the macbook then, other mac users were talking about this issue
[03:11] <ali1234> holdenss: ati graphics? i heard some people complain about a new driver that runs the GPU hot, but i don't know anything more about it
[03:11] <PhotoJim> my netbook is a laptop, it's just a tiny laptop.
[03:11] <ali1234> i don't even know if that driver is in ubuntu or not
[03:11] <holdenss> it uses the nvidia 180 dirver
[03:11] <puetzk> holdenss: just installed on a Macbook 1,1, seems to be working
[03:12] <ethana2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/350693
[03:12] <holdenss> im using macbook 5,1
[03:12] <Polygon89> id rather have a overheating gfx card rather then one that makes the kernel panic >.>
[03:12] <Polygon89> (which mine is currently doing)
[03:12] <ethana2> Get nVidia, you can have both!
[03:12] <ali1234> i wouldn't... seen too many laptops where the GPU desoldered itself from the motherboard
[03:12] <Polygon89> i do have nvidia =P
[03:12] <ethana2> oh, I'm sorry
[03:12] <ethana2> ---I should have known
[03:12] <Polygon89> so right now im rocking the VESA graphics or whatever
[03:13] <bsnider> no nvidia kernel panics
[03:13] <ethana2> bsnider: ?
[03:13] <holdenss> im confused what you mean get nVidia, is there two varriants?
[03:13] <puetzk> ali1234: wow. I can top that though; my old Voodoo2 once discolored the PCB of the network card in the next slot :-)
[03:14] <bsnider> nvidia's blob doesn't lockup the kernel
[03:14] <puetzk> (and killed it, of course)
[03:14] <Polygon89> well my brothers nvidia card literally blew up.
[03:14] <Polygon89> bsnider, on my machine it does.
[03:14] <Polygon89> and i even have a picture of it: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6637/videocardbx3.jpg
[03:14] <bsnider> which version?
[03:14] <Polygon89> the one in the repos.
[03:14] <Polygon89> 180.37
[03:15] <Polygon89> causes random lockups, when i removed it i no longer get the lockups
[03:15] <ali1234> Polygon89: just replace those burst caps, i bet it would work again :)
[03:15] <Polygon89> ali1234, its sitting on my dresser right now, it would be fun to try if someone could tell me how =P
[03:15] <bsnider> try a newer card than that. you won't have vdpau with that
[03:15] <ali1234> Polygon89: badcaps.net
[03:15] <holdenss> i used the hardware drivers to activate the 180 driver which was recommended, it also had some other one like 178
[03:15] <Polygon89> bsnider, i have a 9800 gtx. its plenty new.
[03:16] <bsnider> that card is a 7600
[03:16] <Polygon89> that is the card that blew up.
[03:16] <Polygon89> which was my brothers
[03:16] <Polygon89> the video card in this \/ machine right now has a 9800 gtx.
[03:16] <Polygon89> and ill check it out ali1234  =)
[03:17] <bsnider> itmight be bad hardware. i've never once had a hard lockup with this card in over a year of use
[03:17] <holdenss> anyone else here using macbook 5,1?
[03:17] <Polygon89> its not bad hardware, because under intrepid and under vista it works fine.
[03:18] <bsnider> oh, it works under intrepid. that's different
[03:18] <Polygon89> im not sure what the problem is. im using 180.37 in both intrepid and jaunty, but it causes hard lockups in jaunty.
[03:18] <bsnider> have you tried the .41 driver, or the 185.13 driver?
[03:18] <puetzk> Polygon89: not very hard, 2 wires each. Just get make sure you note the polarity as you take the old ones off
[03:18] <Polygon89> i haven't yet, i have been meaning to.
[03:19] <puetzk> (if they were electrolytic ones)
[03:19] <Polygon89> puetzk, i shall get my brother to help me....the hilarious thing is that like 5-6 of those caps all went at once.
[03:19] <puetzk> Polygon89: likely one failed short and took the others with it
[03:20] <Polygon89> hmm.
[03:21] <dan457> Anyone had problems reading DVD after the last couple days of updates?
[03:23] <MTecknology> 111 updates...
[03:23] <MTecknology> wow
[03:23] <puetzk> Polygon89: given the timeframe, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
[03:24] <Polygon89> puetzk, yeah 2000-2007 is a pretty wide timeframe =P
[03:24] <puetzk> Polygon89: yay for industrial espionage
[03:25] <Polygon89> yeah for real.
[03:25] <Polygon89> quoted: faulty capacitors have even been reported to pop or explode forcefully.
[03:25] <Polygon89> my brother said it sounded like firecrackers were going off in his computer
[03:25] <Polygon89> so...yeah thats the problem xD
[03:28] <combatwombat_nz> Hi, where should I register hardware error messages for Jaunty?
[03:28] <Tekno> launchpad ?
[03:29] <dan457> Both computers I updated today cannot read commercial dvd's now.  Normal disk read/burn ok.  :-(
[03:29] <dan457> Off to the forums to see if anyone else has run into this....
[03:29] <Polygon89> do you have libdvdcss installed dan?
[03:29] <Polygon89> from medibuntu?
[03:29] <dan457> Ya, been watching movies and ripping them for some time now.
[03:30] <Polygon89> can you watch dvds from vlc?
[03:31] <dan457> Oh ho ho, just checked synapic and it's not installed anymore.
[03:31] <holdenss> lol
[03:31] <Polygon89> =)
[03:31] <dan457> And I cannot install it.  :-(
[03:31] <Polygon89> do you have the medibuntu repo added?
[03:32] <dan457> Ya, but it might have been removed in an update.  I'll add it again.  going to have to watch what the updater is doing more closely....
[03:34]  * bruce89 can play DVDs in Totem
[03:34] <bruce89> no medibuntu or anything
[03:34] <Polygon89> commercial dvds? encrypted?
[03:35] <Polygon89> cause that means that ubuntu is shipping a dubious library by default =P
[03:35] <dan457> ok, re added medibuntu and reinstalled libdvdcss.  should be good now.
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> about to do an upgrade to jaunty from Intrepid. I have Python 3.1 installed from source in Intrepid and I know that 3.1 comes with jaunty. Will I have conflicts? how can I uninstall the source buid?
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> 3.01 i mean
[03:35] <bruce89> no, you need to install libdvdcss2 and gst-blah-ugly
[03:35] <Polygon89> kindofabuzz, i think doing a sudo make uninstall should do it
[03:36] <Polygon89> and i would just in case
[03:36] <kindofabuzz> Polygon89, since i deleted the source will that even work?
[03:36] <dan457> Good Idea... better make sure all my gstreamer stuff is still correct
[03:36] <bsnider> no it won't work
[03:36] <bruce89> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[03:36] <kindofabuzz> hmm what can i do?
[03:37] <Polygon89> kindofabuzz, you can download the source again and then trying it.
[03:37] <bsnider> it was probably installed to /sr/lib/python
[03:37] <kindofabuzz> yeah i'll just re-d/l it and try make uninstall
[03:38] <bruce89> kindofabuzz: that'll not work
[03:38] <kindofabuzz> bruce89, what can i do then?
[03:38] <bruce89> kindofabuzz: if you install something from source, keep the source until you uninstall it
[03:38] <kindofabuzz> just hope jaunty overwrites it?
[03:38] <bruce89> it won't
[03:38] <Polygon89> i think it will run into problems
[03:38] <kindofabuzz> bruce89, well the src is gone
[03:38] <Polygon89> it might...
[03:39] <Polygon89> won't it throw an error if it tries to install something over something else?
[03:39] <bruce89> kindofabuzz: well, it won't be possible to uninstall it
[03:39] <kindofabuzz> i guess i'll just keep the source install, jaunty doesn't install 3.01 by default does it?
[03:39] <bruce89> no
[03:39] <kindofabuzz> ok cool
[03:40] <Polygon89> and now i just found an annoying bug.....the audio preview on sound files doesn't stop when your no longer hovering over the music file.
[03:40] <kindofabuzz> anyone done a update-manager -d from intrepid yet? any problems?
[03:40] <bruce89> I don't think Python's build system actually supports uninstalling
[03:41] <Polygon89> if your scared of it failing, you can just do a backup and do a fresh install
[03:41] <bsnider> is that an ironic statement?
[03:41] <kindofabuzz> another question, i have pulse totally uninstalled and was wondering when i upgrade will it be all enabled again? i mean i want it to be just to try out pulse in jaunty. or will it keep my current settings?
[03:41] <Polygon89> it should install pulse audio and all that again.
[03:41] <kindofabuzz> Polygon89, just did a clone of all the partitions =)
[03:41] <holdenss> is there a major difference between ext3 or and ext4?
[03:42] <Polygon89> and i personally think its worth having in.
[03:42] <bruce89> Polygon89: WORKSFORME
[03:42] <bsnider> holdenss, no, there are a lot of major differences, which should be called improvements
[03:42] <Polygon89> huh? i meant i think pulseaudio is good =)
[03:42] <kindofabuzz> holdenss, all i know is that ext4 is supposed to be faster, there may be other differences
[03:42] <bruce89> Polygon89: with regard to totem-audio-preview
[03:43] <Polygon89> it has always worked well for me. it makes it so i can use my mic =P
[03:43] <puetzk> anyone else seeing visual corruption of the cursor on ati (M5P/X1600) in jaunty? it seems to be happening in vertical strips down the screen, reminiscent of a dotclock problem (but only affecting the cursor)
[03:43] <kindofabuzz> hehe he crashed
[03:43] <bruce89> "restarting" doesn't sound like crashing
[03:44] <kindofabuzz> that can just be a default message? /shrug
[03:45] <kindofabuzz> well i'll be back, gonna shut everything down and run this update. later
[03:46] <puetzk> holdenss: the two biggies are extent-based allocation and delayed allocation (which is dramatically superior for very large files), and delayed allocation (which helps avoid fragmentation when a file grows gradually)
[03:46] <bsnider> and quick fsck
[03:46] <holdenss> puetzk, awesome, i might transition over when jaunty is released at the end of the month
[03:46] <bsnider> and built-in defragmentation
[03:47] <puetzk> http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4
[03:48] <bsnider> it's not as good as btrfs, but that's not available yet
[04:04] <scream> What is the bug where we are publishing the workaround for folks using the ati drivers when they shouldbe using the free drivers as a workaround for ati cards?
[04:07] <ddd707> evening..
[04:08] <ddd707> has anyone else reported firefox failing to start on live cd?
[04:09] <scream> I've not seen any chatter on the bugtracker for that...
[04:09] <scream> can you file a bug against ubuntu and I'll try to reproduce it.
[04:09] <scream> report the bug number here if you will.
[04:09] <ddd707> only error reported back is "Could not read application.ini"
[04:10] <scream> does that cause ff to halt for you?
[04:10] <ddd707> wont start.
[04:10] <Psuedo> Greetings
[04:10] <Psuedo> Does anyone know if the Installation DVD for Ubunut 64-bit includes anything extra apart from language packs?
[04:10] <scream> Yeah, I would file a bug for that... it can be invetigated.
[04:10] <scream> investigated
[04:11] <Psuedo> Does the Installation DVD for Ubuntu 64-bit include anything extra apart from language packs?
[04:12] <Amaranth> Psuedo: I believe it has most of main on it
[04:13] <Psuedo> ?
[04:14] <Amaranth> Psuedo: extra packages
[04:14] <Amaranth> they aren't installed by default but they are available on the disc for offline use
[04:14] <Psuedo> ok
[04:14] <Psuedo> will download it then
[04:15] <ddd707> reading the forums, things still a bit shaky with  the 64bit environment? (package wise)
[04:16] <holdenss> 64 bit is working fine here
[04:19] <digitalpsyko> serious shutdown issues with ssd fellas.
[04:20] <digitalpsyko> wondering if anyone has the same issues with the shutdown locking up
[04:20] <digitalpsyko> ?
[04:22] <Polygon89> there was a post on the jaunty discusson forum about shutdown locking up
[04:22] <Polygon89> check there
[04:23] <digitalpsyko> thanks
[04:23] <digitalpsyko> :)
[04:32] <gaelfx> why is there no .torrent for UNR or MID?
[04:36] <komputes> For anyone using Jaunty, can you please explain what is "System > Preferences > Personal file sharing" and where is the centralized utility to manage nfs exports and samba shares?
[04:37] <maco> komputes: er....i thought that WAS it
[05:04] <Milosz> what is it that hides the mouse pointer when motion stops?
[05:04] <Milosz> It's not in Mouse preferences nor is it anything in ccsm it semes
[05:25] <ripps> I have next to no programming experience, but I really want to learn how to make a plugin for gmpc that allows it to use Gnome dbus mmkeys. But every tutorial on c, c++, vala, and python give me a headach. I don't know where to begin, and I'm getting really frustrated. Is there someplace where I can someone to tutor me on this?
[05:29] <Hyren> you know absolutely 0 programming?
[05:29] <JorgeJorgesson> Will 9.04 beta work with my ATI Xpress 200M video card?  I don't care about 3D
[05:31] <JorgeJorgesson> Anyone?  I'd love to try the beta
[05:32] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: I haven't tried it on my machine with that card, but it ought to.
[05:32] <ripps> Hyren: I have a fair amount of experience in bash scripting and I took a class on Microsoft Visual C++ a while back, but never received good grades in it.
[05:33] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: I know they came out with a new 9.3 ati driver and it works awesome in 8.10
[05:33] <JorgeJorgesson> Just wondering about 9.04
[05:33] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: Yep, I have 8.10 on the machine in question.  No troubles at all.
[05:34] <Hyren> Good grades? That's very little measure of skill (well, a little, it depends)
[05:34] <Hyren> Like, what have you actually done? just minimal stuff for class?
[05:34] <ripps> Hyren: the biggest problem is that I just get so frustrated when trying to comprehend code.
[05:34] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: well, this really does not matter.  A practice laptop
[05:35] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: you can always create another partition and do a parallel installation.
[05:35] <ripps> Hyren: You know, hello world programs and stuff, but it was easy because alot of it was visual based, not as much code necesary.
[05:35] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: (if you have sufficient disk space)
[05:35] <ripps> brb
[05:36] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: Yeah, I could
[05:36] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: I like to live on the edge
[05:38] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: here we go
[05:40] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: Good luck :)
[05:40] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: thanks....it will work
[05:41] <xenile> hey guys i gota program called yakuake its a terminal window that drops down liket he quake command window and well.. sence i upgraded to 9.2b when i use yakuake its slow and choppy when i comes down
[05:41] <JorgeJorgesson> PhotoJim: fingers, toes, borrowed fingers and toes crossed
[05:41] <xenile> as its my favorite program ie like it to animate more smoothly how do i fix this?
[05:42] <crdlb> JorgeJorgesson: on jaunty, your only choice will be the open source radeon driver
[05:42] <JorgeJorgesson> crdlb: that should get me booted.  Can I not install the 9.3 driver?
[05:43] <xenile> could someone help me plz this is verry important to me lol
[05:43] <crdlb> JorgeJorgesson: you can't
[05:43] <JorgeJorgesson> xenile....question?
[05:43] <crdlb> JorgeJorgesson: as it doesn't support xserver 1.6
[05:43] <xenile> yes
[05:43] <xenile> hey guys i gota program called yakuake its a terminal window that drops down liket he quake command window and well.. sence i upgraded to 9.2b when i use yakuake its slow and choppy when i comes down
[05:43] <xenile> their :)
[05:44] <ripps> back
[05:44] <JorgeJorgesson> xenile, I cannot help,sorry.
[05:44] <crdlb> xenile: 9.2b of what?
[05:44] <xenile> ide like the animation to be more smooooth like when i used 10
[05:44] <xenile> 8.10
[05:44] <xenile> jaunty
[05:44] <xenile> i upgraded kubuntu to the beta version
[05:44] <crdlb> that's 9.04
[05:44] <xenile> my bad
[05:45] <xenile> im still nw to it
[05:45] <xenile> new
[05:45] <crdlb> could be a regression in your video driver
[05:45] <crdlb> what GPU do you have?
[05:45] <JorgeJorgesson> crdlb: ah well,hopefully 2D will be just fine
[05:45] <crdlb> JorgeJorgesson: 3d should too
[05:45] <xenile> it worked fine with 8.10
[05:45] <xenile> so it couldent be my video
[05:45] <JorgeJorgesson> crdlb: well, if they want testing....here you go!
[05:45] <crdlb> the open source driver supports (somewhat limited) 3d for everything up to the X1950
[05:46] <crdlb> ie compiz should work :)
[05:46] <xenile> you want me to use compiz?
[05:46] <lifi> fglrx works too
[05:46] <xenile> and not kwin?
[05:46] <crdlb> xenile: that wasn't to you
[05:46] <xenile> oh
[05:46] <crdlb> lifi: not with his GPU :)
[05:47] <crdlb> xenile: what does 'lspci | grep -i vga' say?
[05:47] <xenile> hold on
[05:47] <xenile> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[05:48] <crdlb> so it's probably a regression in your video driver, as I said :)
[05:48] <lifi> crdlb, weird... i got a x700 and it works
[05:48] <xenile> how i fix that?
[05:48] <crdlb> lifi: not in jaunty
[05:48] <lifi> crdlb, yes in jaunty
[05:49] <xenile> ?
[05:49] <crdlb> lifi: did you downgrade X?
[05:49] <lifi> no
[05:49] <JorgeJorgesson> I'm just too excited to try 9.04...
[05:49] <crdlb> lifi: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please
[05:49] <xenile> ires prety buggy jorge
[05:49] <xenile> ive sent in 12 reports sofar
[05:49] <xenile> and ive only had it like half a day
[05:49] <crdlb> xenile: you can switch to UXA to make the intel driver faster, but it may be unstable
[05:49] <xenile> u should wate till its finished its not close to production use yet
[05:49] <crdlb> it's worth a try though
[05:50] <xenile> ill try
[05:50] <xenile> how i do that chief?
[05:50] <lifi> crdlb, i cant right now, could email it later
[05:50] <JorgeJorgesson> It's an experimental machine...lets see
[05:50] <crdlb> xenile: in Section "Device" add Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[05:50] <xenile> section?
[05:50] <xenile> wheres that
[05:51] <crdlb> lifi: my client is on irc all the time, so please send me a link when you get the opportunity :)
[05:51] <crdlb> xenile: oops, in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
[05:51] <lifi> crdlb, will do
[05:51] <crdlb> forgot that detail
[05:51] <xenile> ok so what you want me to do?
[05:51] <xenile> type /etc/x11 etc?
[05:52] <crdlb> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:52] <crdlb> and it's case-sensitive
[05:52] <xenile> whats kdesu mean?
[05:53] <xenile> says its not found crdlb
[05:53] <crdlb> you said kubuntu, right?
[05:53] <xenile> yes 4.2
[05:53] <crdlb> try kdesudo instead, perhaps
[05:54] <crdlb> it's like sudo, but for GUI apps
[05:54] <xenile> ok well that command dosent work
[05:54] <xenile> any other ideas?
[05:54] <crdlb> so: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:55] <xenile> ok kate is open
[05:55] <xenile> now what?
[05:56] <xenile> ok it broke
[05:56] <crdlb> 'broke'?
[05:56] <xenile> closed unexpedly
[05:56] <xenile> ill try again
[05:57] <xenile> k it opend but theirs nothing typed in their
[05:57] <xenile> its empty
[05:57] <crdlb> did you capitalize the X in X11?
[05:57] <xenile> i coppppy pastd what you typed
[05:57] <xenile> so if you typed it rite
[05:57] <xenile> then yes its correct
[05:58] <jeffwheeler> The new notifications thing is great; what's behind that?
[05:59] <pwnguin> "behind"?
[05:59] <xenile> so now what?
[05:59] <jeffwheeler> As in, what application is handling the layout, etc.?
[05:59] <crdlb> notify-osd?
[05:59] <xenile> ?
[05:59] <JorgeJorgesson> Holy crap...download is one thing....installation is another
[05:59] <crdlb> xenile: apparently you don't have an xorg.conf ...
[06:00] <jeffwheeler> crdlb: that appears to be it; thanks
[06:00] <xenile> indeed
[06:00] <xenile> what shold i do?
[06:00] <crdlb> xenile: just to make sure, run: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:01] <jeffwheeler> Without any of the special effects (i.e. just the un-optimized nv driver, metacity without compositing, etc.) hovering over the notifications makes them hide entirely, rather awkwardly
[06:01] <xenile> xenile@Lxt9-i386:~$ ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:01] <xenile> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:01] <xenile> not sure what that means
[06:02] <crdlb> xenile: ok, now: wc -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:03] <xenile> xenile@Lxt9-i386:~$ wc -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:03] <xenile> 0 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:03] <xenile> hmm
[06:03] <crdlb> ok, weird
[06:03] <xenile> lol
[06:03] <crdlb> run: sudo dexconf
[06:04] <crdlb> then you'll have an xorg.conf you can edit
[06:04] <JorgeJorgesson> Why would they release an upgrade where ATI card holders are left out?
[06:04] <JorgeJorgesson> That must be 50% of their market
[06:04] <xenile> xenile@Lxt9-i386:~$ sudo dexconf
[06:04] <xenile> [sudo] password for xenile:
[06:04] <xenile> xenile@Lxt9-i386:~$
[06:05] <crdlb> JorgeJorgesson: what do you mean "left out"?
[06:05] <xenile> now?
[06:05] <pwnguin> arg. why's there a line on gnome-panel in the human theme?
[06:06] <crdlb> R600 and R700 cards are supported by fglrx in jaunty
[06:06] <crdlb> xenile: now: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:06] <crdlb> again :)
[06:07] <xenile> it worked ! XD
[06:07] <xenile> now what?
[06:07] <crdlb> xenile: and in Section "Device" add: Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[06:07] <crdlb> then save
[06:07] <xenile> Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" type that after secton device?
[06:08] <crdlb> yep, somewhere in that section
[06:08] <crdlb> between the Section and EndSection lines
[06:08] <crdlb> below Identifer is fine
[06:08] <xenile> Section "Device"
[06:08] <xenile> Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[06:08] <xenile> EndSection
[06:08] <crdlb> Identifier*
[06:08] <xenile> corrrrect?
[06:09] <crdlb> xenile: hit enter before Identifier to put it on its own line
[06:09] <xenile> Section "Device"
[06:09] <xenile> Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[06:09] <xenile> Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[06:09] <xenile> EndSection
[06:09] <xenile> ?
[06:09] <crdlb> yes
[06:10] <xenile> kk
[06:10] <crdlb> now save and log out
[06:10] <xenile> done
[06:10] <xenile> its still slow and chopy
[06:10] <xenile> when i lower yakuake
[06:11] <crdlb> "and log out" :)
[06:12] <xenile> restart coputer
[06:12] <xenile> kk thanks man
[06:12] <xenile> brb
[06:14] <xenile> back :)
[06:14] <xenile> its still slow and choppy
[06:14] <xenile> when my terminal window lowers
[06:14] <lifi> when i maximize a window, it does it over both lcd's (fglrx with dual-head via randr)... does anyone got a idea how to maximize the window only on one lcd?
[06:14] <xenile> it wasent in 8.10
[06:15] <xenile> i dont know what to do :(
[06:16] <xenile> does anyone know why the animation for my yakuake window dropdown is so slow and choppy sence i upgraded to jaunty?
[06:17] <crdlb> lifi: what does this say?: xdpyinfo -ext XINERAMA | tail -n4
[06:17] <crdlb> xenile: run: glxinfo | grep renderer
[06:17] <lifi> crdlb, significant bits in color specification:    8 bits
[06:18] <xenile> xenile@Lxt9-i386:~$ glxinfo | grep renderer
[06:18] <xenile> get fences failed: -1
[06:18] <xenile> param: 6, val: 0
[06:18] <xenile> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2
[06:18] <xenile> xenile@Lxt9-i386:~$ glxinfo | grep renderer
[06:18] <xenile> lol
[06:18] <Jordan_U> xenile: Do you have 3D acceleration?
[06:18] <xenile> i dunno
[06:18] <crdlb> lifi: hmm, no xinerama then, that's odd
[06:19] <xenile> i just installed jaunty but my dropdown for yakuake is slow and choppy
[06:19] <xenile> it was wicked with the 8.10
[06:19] <crdlb> lifi: all multihead implementations use the XINERAMA extension to convey to apps where the physical monitors are
[06:19] <xenile> and it works great in xfce
[06:20] <crdlb> xenile: seems to be working ok, though I don't know what that fences thing means :/
[06:20] <lifi> crdlb, you have any idea how to active xinerama? my last tries went to a black screen...
[06:20] <crdlb> xenile: I guess you could try compiz to see if it's faster
[06:20] <xenile> i dont likke compiz
[06:20] <xenile> when ever i run compiz window management things get messed up
[06:20] <xenile> besides isent compiz a gnome program
[06:20] <crdlb> lifi: I don't mean the Xinerama you're thinking of
[06:20] <crdlb> xenile: it is not a gnome program
[06:21] <xenile> ok il install it and Compiz --replace
[06:21] <xenile> and see what happpins kk
[06:21] <lifi> crdlb, i mean the xinerama thing in the ati config tool... thats not what you mean?
[06:21] <crdlb> lifi: with xrandr 1.2, that command says:
[06:21] <crdlb> XINERAMA version 1.1 opcode: 151
[06:21] <crdlb>   head #0: 1024x768 @ 0,0
[06:22] <crdlb> XRandR 1.2 always provides the xinerama extension, so that it can enable a second monitor at any time
[06:22] <crdlb> if that's not there, then the XRandR 1.2 implementation in your driver is broken
[06:22] <lifi> crdlb, so i could try to reinstall the driver?
[06:22] <crdlb> I guess
[06:23] <lifi> crdlb, thx :)
[06:23]  * crdlb would really like to see that log :>
[06:23] <lifi> crdlb, i have to grep my notebook for that
[06:24] <lifi> crdlb, im on a radeon hd 3650... wouldnt be much interesting would it? :p
[06:24] <crdlb> well, it could help with understanding your xinerama problem
[06:25] <xenile> ok i compiz --replace and it runs alitle better
[06:25] <xenile> but its still prety chopppy and slow
[06:25] <xenile> any other windowmanagers?
[06:26] <xenile> maby i should convert to gnome
[06:29] <xenile> hey guys how do i make metacity my default window manager perminantly?
[06:38] <xenile> hey guys how do i make metacity my default window manager perminantly?
[06:42] <genii> Make it your default session?
[06:42] <o0Chris0o> anything new about the tracker in jaunty and evolution?
[06:42] <Mulder> has there been any discussion on whether firefox 3.5 will be the default ff for jaunty, or whether users will need to do the upgrade themselves from the repo
[07:17] <kindofabuzz> why are there like 3-4 versions of python 3.01 in the jaunty repos? i'm confused on which one to install
[07:18] <crdlb> python3.0 :)
[07:18] <kindofabuzz> ?
[07:18] <kindofabuzz> there's 3.01ubuntu3 and 3.01ubuntu9, and the desciption is the same
[07:19] <LogicalDash> I want to encrypt just a few folders, using the same on-the-fly technique that I was given the option to use for my entire home folder. How do I do this?
[07:19] <crdlb> kindofabuzz: err, those are just different versions?
[07:19] <kindofabuzz> well what's the difference?
[07:19] <crdlb> one's newer ...
[07:19] <kindofabuzz> i assume the 9 is newer?
[07:20] <crdlb> that's a good assumption :)
[07:20] <kindofabuzz> well why is there two differnet versions of the same release number?
[07:20] <crdlb> 3.01 is the upstream version and the ubuntuN is the revision of the package
[07:21] <crdlb> because they changed things in the package, eg patches, build switches, etc
[07:21] <kindofabuzz> ahh i see
[07:22] <crdlb> dpkg works under the assumption that the version (+ arch) uniquely identifies the package
[07:23] <dtchen> (arch provides no differentiation)
[07:23] <crdlb> ?
[07:24] <RAOF> foo_1.2-0ubunutu1_i386.deb is the same package as foo_1.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[07:25] <RAOF> The architecture isn't a part of the identification (which is different to rpm, which is why they have poor-man's multiarch easily).
[07:25] <crdlb> I see
[07:26] <crdlb> I don't know much about dpkg, but I just meant that in the sense that you could have a big folder of .debs because the filename is supposed to uniquely identify it
[07:28] <RAOF> Ah, right.  Yes.  It will identify it in that case.
[07:28] <kindofabuzz> i don't think the new notification thing is working for me? any way to test it? like rythombox is showing old school notifications
[07:28] <crdlb> kindofabuzz: is notify-osd installed?
[07:29] <kindofabuzz> i dunno, i just upgraded to Jaunty, lemme check
[07:29] <dtchen> right, and make sure notify-osd is running instead of notification-daemon
[07:29] <kindofabuzz> nope it didn't install, is that a bug then?
[07:30] <dtchen> (and if you set WINDOW_MANAGER explicitly, you'll hit bug 349047)
[07:30] <crdlb> ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[07:30] <kindofabuzz> so switching to compiz uninstalls it?
[07:31] <crdlb> so unless you used the dist-upgrade methd and failed to install ubuntu-desktop beforehand, it should have installed
[07:31] <kindofabuzz> crdlb, i burned the iso and upgraded from there
[07:32] <kindofabuzz> yeah ubuntu-desktop wasn't installed becaue i uninstalled bluez which uninstalls ubuntu-desktop
[07:35] <kindofabuzz> wow third-party software tab is all screw up after upgrade, has a bunch of "disabled for jaunty upgrade" and never reverted back to what i had
[07:36] <crdlb> kindofabuzz: right, you have to do that yourself
[07:37] <crdlb> presumably since the repo may not even have jaunty packages, and the packages themselves may not be necessary anymore
[07:39] <topyli> kindofabuzz: they are for intrepid anyway since you set them up before the upgrade. they probably aren't installable
[07:40] <kindofabuzz> yeah i changed them all back, it even rplaced intrepid for jaunty for my 3-party ones =) just had to uncomment them
[07:42] <kindofabuzz> one thing i noticed during upgrade, when it got to the menu.list, i hid show side by side to just look at it, and all it had was a forward button, so you couldn't go back and change your mind. that was kind of dumb
[07:42] <kindofabuzz> hit*
[07:42] <crdlb> if I know what you're talking about, doesn't hitting forward just give you the choices again?
[07:42] <kindofabuzz> nope
[07:43] <kindofabuzz> well i don't know, it may have been at the top and i just overlooked it
[07:43] <kindofabuzz> but i don't think it was
[07:43] <kindofabuzz> probably was lol
[07:44] <kindofabuzz> ok i have 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. the 1 not upgraded is brasero, i do apt-get dist-upgrade and i get the same thing
[07:47] <topyli> the indicator applet is somewhat weird: http://server2.jaatiedostosi.com/o_PhlG/Screenshot.png
[07:47] <chx> hi. I would be happy to help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting -- I have two laptops -- I am wondering though is there a live version of the beta / test ? I need these laptops working... I have a 4GB USB key, though.
[07:47] <topyli> there are no notifications, so why does it display the evolution mail logo?
[07:52] <rww> topyli: It does that when pidgin's open too. As far as I can tell, it's saying "look at me! there's an app open that might use me! yay!"
[07:52] <chx> aaaaah thanks http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/ here.
[07:52] <topyli> rww: i sure can't come up with any other reason
[07:53] <kindofabuzz> i don't have that with my pidgin open, or is that part of notify-osd?
[07:56] <yofel> kindofabuzz: that's the indicator applet, supposed to replace the pidgin icon afaik. Don't use it here though.
[07:56] <yofel> topyli: it always displays the mail logo. Why I don't know
[07:58] <topyli> perhaps i should get rid of it :(
[08:07] <Brinstar> is the fglrx driver supposed to be working on the 9.04 beta?
[08:07] <rww> Brinstar: if you have a r6xx or r7xx card, yes. Otherwise, no.
[08:07] <Brinstar> the display is garbled on my x1100
[08:08] <Brinstar> i dont know what series it is
[08:08] <Brinstar> ie. r***?
[08:08] <Brinstar> its probably not one of those tho
[08:08] <Brinstar> its a bit old now
[08:09] <crdlb> that's rs482
[08:09]  * Brinstar afk
[08:09] <crdlb> it should, in theory, work with the open source driver with 3d
[08:10] <rww> Brinstar: then fglrx won't work for you any more. AMD dropped support for older cards in their Xorg 1.6-compatible release. Try the -ati driver, it's improved a lot recently.
[08:14]  * Brinstar no longer afk
[08:14] <Brinstar> it does work, but the performance is noticeably behind the xp driver, so i assumed the fglrx driver would be the most similar in terms of performance
[08:15] <Brinstar> its about 30% slower
[08:15] <crdlb> indeed, it's slower, but there's nothing you can do about that for now
[08:15] <Brinstar> :-(
[08:16] <kindofabuzz> is this the correct way to convert to ext4 for jaunty? http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto  anything else i need to know?
[08:17] <Jordan_U> kindofabuzz: If you are converting / then you will also need to re-run grub-install
[08:17] <kindofabuzz> Jordan_U, ok thanks. do i need to change fstab too?
[08:18]  * crdlb strongly recommends not converting an existing fs to ext4
[08:18] <holdenss> why not?
[08:19] <kindofabuzz> ditto
[08:19] <crdlb> seems silly to me, partly because you're introducing a lot more entropy leading to you possibly finding another ext4 bug
[08:20] <crdlb> and partly because you can't (afaik) use all of the features of ext4 without reformatting
[08:20] <holdenss> ok i might do a re-install then
[08:20] <kindofabuzz> not all features, but you get all the performance features, and that's all i really want
[08:20] <crdlb> "all"?
[08:21] <crdlb> whatever, I just don't understand the urge to play with filesystems
[08:21] <kindofabuzz> This will allow you to use many of the in-core performance enhancements such as delayed allocation (delalloc) and multi-block allocation (mballoc), and large inodes if your ext3 filesystem have been formatted with large inodes as is the default with newer versions of e2fsprogs
[08:21] <crdlb> ext3 may be horrible, but it's quite reliable
[08:21] <kindofabuzz> taken from the ext4 wiki
[08:22] <crdlb> well, you can't get extents, can you?
[08:22] <kindofabuzz> yeah i think you can because do convert "extents" is in the command
[08:22] <Jordan_U> kindofabuzz: Are you planning on converting to ext4 or mounting ext3 with the ext4 module?
[08:23] <kindofabuzz> Jordan_U, i guess convert
[08:23] <kindofabuzz> crdlb, tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/DEV is how you convert
[08:24]  * crdlb writes that down in his list of commands not to run any time soon :>
[08:24] <kindofabuzz> NOTE: by enabling the extents feature new files will be created in extents format, but this will not convert existing files to use extents. Non-extent files can be transparently read and written by Ext4.
[08:24] <holdenss> lol
[08:25] <kindofabuzz> i assume all this has to be done offline right?
[08:25] <Jordan_U> kindofabuzz: Yes
[08:25] <syockit> hmm? i thought I read somewhere you can do it even when mounted...
[08:25] <Brinstar> if i downgrade to the fglrx driver that did work with this chipset, could i use it with jaunty, or would it be incompatible because of the xorg version?
[08:25] <Brinstar> (ati x1100)
[08:25] <rww> Brinstar: it's incompatible
[08:26] <Brinstar> oh
[08:26] <Brinstar> i think i will go back to intrepid :(
[08:26] <holdenss> brinstar, just wait a month :)
[08:26] <Brinstar> holdenss: why, whats happening then?
[08:27] <holdenss> full release of jaunty will be out, this is only a beta, expect bugs
[08:27] <kindofabuzz> well let me go try all this =)
[08:27] <Brinstar> wont the driver still be incompatible though?
[08:27] <rww> holdenss: this is a decision by AMD we can't do anything about.
[08:27] <holdenss> who knows
[08:27] <Muhammad_Negm1> hello! iam using 9.04 beta and it works just fine! and my ati 2100 for the first time works fine :)
[08:27] <rww> Brinstar: yes, it will.
[08:27] <Brinstar> i thought so
[08:27] <holdenss> ah k
[08:28] <Muhammad_Negm1> but not using fglrx it's not ready i think
[08:28]  * Brinstar kicks himself for buying a laptop with an ati card in it
[08:28] <Brinstar> never again
[08:29] <Brinstar> rww: in that case, the only choice is to go back to intrepid isnt it?
[08:29] <Brinstar> to get full acceleration
[08:29] <Brinstar> and never upgrade :-$
[08:29] <Brinstar> still its better than xp :)
[08:30] <rww> Brinstar: If -ati doesn't work for you, then that's correct. Heck, use Hardy, it'll be supported longer =/
[08:30] <syockit> oh, you can always upgrade when they've finished backporting everything
[08:30] <holdenss> brinstar, true that!
[08:30] <Brinstar> hehe
[08:30] <Brinstar> true about hardy
[08:30] <syockit> even intrepid had a handful of graphic bugs when it was first released
[08:31] <Brinstar> never never never buy ati
[08:31] <holdenss> true about about its better than xp!
[08:31] <rww> syockit: "ATI dropped support for your card from their non-free driver" isn't really a graphic bug =/
[08:31] <genii> Hmm "handful"
[08:31] <syockit> did they really drop support?
[08:32] <rww> syockit: yes, hence this discussion
[08:32] <syockit> wow, ati sucks that much? no legacy drivers and whatnot?
[08:32] <rww> syockit: the free/open source -ati drivers have 3D accelleration for the cards fglrx no longer supports
[08:32] <rww> theoretically, at least
[08:33] <Brinstar> rww and syockit: its not up to scratch tho
[08:33] <Brinstar> i have lost about 30-40% performance
[08:33] <rww> Brinstar: that depends on the card. It works fine for some people.
[08:33] <Brinstar> in using the ati driver
[08:34] <rww> Brinstar: Anyway, it's possible that the -ati driver people will figure things out better and improve the performance before Hardy goes end of life :)
[08:34] <Brinstar> thats what im hoping rww :)
[08:34] <Brinstar> its possible
[08:35] <rww> Brinstar: considering that they've gone from not supporting r6xx at all to having better 2D acceleration for my rv620 than fglrx does, I think it's very possible :)
[08:36] <Brinstar> really, i didnt know that, i havent kept up with the progress
[08:36] <Brinstar> thats good to hear
[09:10] <Moeop> hello and excuse my poor english. I'm using Ubuntu since 7.04 with a motherboard with onboard grafics. It never has been a problem until I upgraded my system 8.04 -> 8.10. xorg.conf was broken, a driver for vesa didn't exist. I had to fix xorg.conf by hand and it did function again. Tying to use a Live-CD I found out, 8.04 did it without problem, but 8.10 didn't run. Any glue, what's the reason?
[09:10] <Moeop> (I'm afraid i could get in trouble when upgrading 8.10 to 9.04)
[09:13] <topyli> hmmm my root partition is 100% full. i don't see how that might have happened
[09:13] <topyli> if anything, i've been removing not installing stuff
[09:14] <rww> Moeop: Intrepid/8.10 discussion and support is in #ubuntu, not here, thanks.
[09:14] <rww> ... I think that's the first time I've said that.
[09:15] <topyli> ah, cached debs
[09:16] <SwedeMike> rww: well, he's actually asking for something regarding 9.04
[09:17] <rww> SwedeMike: I totally blanked on the second message there. Thanks for drawing attention to that o.O
[09:17] <SwedeMike> Moeop: I dont think anyone knows the answer, you have to try with the 9.04 live cd
[09:18] <popey> Moeop: what video card is it?
[09:21] <Moeop> of course, I'll do that bevore upgrading SwedeMice
[09:22] <Moeop> Via,
[09:22] <Moeop> long time ago I usede openchrome bevore they sayd vesa is allways better
[09:24] <user___> where can you find the preseeding keyword and options list for jaunty?
[09:24] <Moeop> rww : all  right, I read it too late, sorry
[09:29] <chazco> Hi... can someone confirm that wicd is in the 9.04 repositories? (nm doesn't work)
[09:29] <rww> !info wicd jaunty
[09:30] <rww> chazco: consider yourself confirmed
[09:30] <chazco> Ah great, thanks rww
[09:33] <tgpraveen> !info empathy jaunty
[09:35] <tgpraveen> !info empathy karmic
[09:36] <tgpraveen> !info empathy jaunty-backports
[09:36] <tgpraveen> !info empathy hardy
[09:36] <rww> tgpraveen: /msg ubottu info packagename distroname
[09:38] <Mulder_> hmm, so far the open source ati driver has hard crashed my laptop 5 times. still some bugs to iron out i guess
[09:38]  * tgpraveen is happy with his nvidia drivers yay
[09:40] <meoblast001> Mulder_: how about the opensource nVidia drivers?
[09:40] <meoblast001> how do they run
[09:40] <meoblast001> :(
[09:41] <Mulder_> i dont know. i have a radeon x300, not an nvidia
[09:42] <RAOF> meoblast001: Nicely.  As long as you don't care about 3d, of course.
[09:42] <meoblast001> Mulder_: do you think if that free software nVidia driver project gets competitive, official nVidia drvers would be removed from the repos?
[09:42] <meoblast001> RAOF: no one buys an nVidia card and says "i don't care about 3d" :P
[09:42] <Mulder_> meoblast001, i'm really the wrong person to ask
[09:43] <meoblast001> oh
[09:43] <tgpraveen> RAOF: yeah.but if u install the proprietary drivers then u will really love its performance
[09:43] <RAOF> meoblast001: Laptop users might quite frequently do.
[09:43] <Mulder_> my guess is no though
[09:43] <RAOF> tgpraveen: You mean, worse 2d performance and features than the open-source driver?
[09:43] <Mulder_> we should accelerate everything really. 2d and 3d
[09:43] <tgpraveen> the latest nvidia drivers in pre-release stage have support for 3.1 opengl support
[09:44] <meoblast001> RAOF: i mean... there is a group of people reverse engineering nVidia cards and making 3d drivers
[09:44] <meoblast001> thing is, they don't do 3d yet
[09:44] <tgpraveen> RAOF: ii hav been using the proprietary drivers for 2 yrs now. and u know u have to give credit to nvidia they have got it right
[09:44] <RAOF> meoblast001: Right.  That's nouveau.  Current status: better performance than binary drivers on 2d, better features than binary drivers for 2d.
[09:45] <tgpraveen> even though it is proprietary they update it often and it is the best bet for linux right now
[09:45] <RAOF> meoblast001: Current 3d status... might work, if the stars align and your card's close enough to a dev's card. :)
[09:45] <meoblast001> i have a 9600GSO
[09:46] <meoblast001> which in other words means, compatibility in 15 years.... maybe
[09:46] <RAOF> meoblast001: Try it now.  My guess is that it'll work.
[09:46] <meoblast001> RAOF: or 3d?
[09:46] <RAOF> tgpraveen: Their binary blob is certainly less annoying than fglrx.    No 3d.
[09:47] <RAOF> For any card.  If you want 3d, the nvidia binary driver is your only option.
[09:47] <meoblast001> RAOF: see :P
[09:47] <holdenss> its worth it :P
[09:47]  * meoblast001 cries
[09:47] <tgpraveen> RAOF: and that is why we use the proprietary one. its an inconvinent fact
[09:47]  * tgpraveen consoles meoblast001
[09:48] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[09:48] <meoblast001> tgpraveen: i think my console is ok right now.... but my drivers are not
[09:48] <SandGorgon> how does one choose the nVidia driver, rather than the open source one ?
[09:49] <meoblast001> SandGorgon: the idea of 3D
[09:49] <RAOF> I'm not really suggesting that nouveau is actually a useable driver right now (although I find it to be better than the binary blob).
[09:49] <meoblast001> SandGorgon: there is no free software driver that does 3D yet
[09:49] <meoblast001> my mom just told me to go to bed right now.... i told her i just woke up after 14 hours of sleep :P
[09:50] <meoblast001> yeah... that would be pretty hard
[09:50] <SandGorgon> meoblast001: umm... I havent yet installed jaunty.. but will I be able to use nVidia drivers? or do I have to jump through hoops to?
[09:50] <holdenss> what, where do you live?
[09:50] <meoblast001> US
[09:50] <meoblast001> it's 4:48 now
[09:50] <meoblast001> i fell asleep at 2 in the afternoon
[09:50] <holdenss> why would your mum still be up at that hour?
[09:50] <RAOF> No hoops.  Same "Hardware Drivers" manager as Intrepid.
[09:50] <meoblast001> SandGorgon: not sure... i only have Jaunty on my laptop.... with Intel drivers
[09:50] <SandGorgon> RAOF: oh ok then
[09:50] <meoblast001> holdenss: she woke up to use the restroom
[09:51] <RAOF> But you're also quite welcome to try the nouveau drivers; xserver-xorg-video-nouveau :)
[09:51] <meoblast001> RAOF: can i go back?
[09:51] <tgpraveen> RAOF: does the nouveau drivers come in the kernel
[09:52] <tgpraveen> linux kernel?
[09:52] <RAOF> meoblast001: Yes, of course.  Just 'apt-get install nvidia-glx-180', or whatever to go back.
[09:52] <RAOF> tgpraveen: No, the drm component isn't in the mainline kernel yet.  We build it from the nouveau-kernel-source, just like the binary driver's kernel shim :)
[09:53] <meoblast001> RAOF: do i have to uninstall one to install the other?
[09:53] <RAOF> meoblast001: Yes.  The nvidia binary driver breaks all other X drivers by being installed.
[09:53] <meoblast001> :/
[09:54] <tgpraveen> does the kernel have any graphix card drivers?
[09:54] <RAOF> Installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau will do that automatically, though.
[09:54] <tgpraveen> RAOF: ^^
[09:54] <RAOF> tgpraveen: Depends on what you mean by 'graphics card drivers'.
[09:54] <meoblast001> this game is angering me
[09:54] <meoblast001> they say collect 100 rings to win but i can't collect 100 rings
[09:54] <meoblast001> i keep losing them
[09:55] <tgpraveen> ati/nvidia/via/intel?
[09:55] <RAOF> tgpraveen: The kernel has quite a number of DRM modules shipped with it, but they're not graphics drivers as such.  They provide an interface for the user-space drivers (DDX & mesa) to interface with.
[09:55] <meoblast001> tgpraveen: via?
[09:56] <tgpraveen> ah so. why not ship the graphix drivers like for intel and nouveau in the kernel
[09:56] <tgpraveen> via makes graphix cards right
[09:56] <RAOF> Because the kernel is a crappy place to do virtually everything.
[09:57] <Mulder_> intel have made the wisest choice
[10:02] <rww> tgpraveen: yes
[10:03] <tgpraveen> Mulder_: eht choicre
[10:03] <tgpraveen> ?
[10:06] <mariobuntu> mahlzeit!
[10:06] <mariobuntu> wollte mal fragen ob man jaunty beta schon gut nutzen kann?
[10:07] <mariobuntu> ^und ob ein sudo update-manager -d   reicht?
[10:07] <SwedeMike> mariobuntu: english, please.
[10:08] <Mulder> that time wasnt a hard reboot, but my xsession died,and it dumped me back in gdm
[10:08] <Mulder> hmmm
[10:08] <mariobuntu> SwedeMike, sorry
[10:08] <Mulder> i'm beginning to wonder if it's ati driver or pulse audio
[10:08] <Mulder> or maybe xserver
[10:10] <mariobuntu> i use 8.10 in the moment.is jaunty beta good to work at the moment or is it still to buggy.i want to try jaunty.sorry my english is no the best :-)
[10:10] <Mulder> it's good
[10:10] <Mulder> watch out if you use radeon though
[10:11]  * Mulder is having some nasty stability issues
[10:11] <SwedeMike> but it's still beta, so expect things might break at any time.
[10:11] <SwedeMike> as it has a couple of times during the alpha process
[10:11] <mariobuntu> Mulder, no i use nvidia,is a sudo update-manager -d enough for it?
[10:11] <mariobuntu> SwedeMike, i know :-)
[10:12] <SwedeMike> I recommend making a full backup before upgrading
[10:12] <SwedeMike> last time I tried upgrading, things screwed up badly. This was 2 months ago. Fresh install worked better.
[10:14] <mariobuntu> SwedeMike, should i edit all in the sources.list or is it enough to type sudo update-manager -d   ??
[10:15] <SwedeMike> mariobuntu: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/12/howto-upgrade-to-jaunty-jackalope.html
[10:15] <mariobuntu> SwedeMike, :-) ok thx.
[10:15] <popey> !upgrade
[10:15] <popey> generally use update-manager or do-release-upgrade mariobuntu
[10:16] <mariobuntu> popey, thats what i want to hear :-)
[10:16] <rww> with a -d on the end for in-development releases
[10:17] <popey> mariobuntu: it's possible to upgrade via editing sources.list and dist-upgrade, but it's not the recommended path
[10:17] <meoblast001> hi rww
[10:17] <rww> meoblast001: hi
[10:17] <yofel> mariobuntu: make sure you have the ubuntu-desktop or equalent meta-package installed so that you get all the packages you need
[10:17] <mariobuntu> popey, i know but i did this often in the past.
[10:18] <mariobuntu> yofel,  ok.no prob my system is not a productive system.
[10:19] <mariobuntu> ^i hope my english is good enough.
[10:19] <popey> it is
[10:21] <meoblast001> hmm
[10:21] <meoblast001> nouveau isn't in the repos
[10:22] <yofel> !info xserver-xorg-video-nouveau jaunty
[10:22] <yofel> it is ;)
[10:23] <meoblast001> !info xserver-xorg-video-nouveau intrepid
[10:23] <meoblast001> ic
[10:23] <meoblast001> jaunty is only on my laptop
[10:24] <kholerabbi> hello- does jaunty import emails and contacts into evolution from windows (in installation)?
[10:25] <kholerabbi> from outlook..
[10:34] <tgpraveen> kholerabbi: not automatically
[10:35] <tgpraveen> but u have to go in windows in outlook click export
[10:35] <tgpraveen> and then save the exported files somewhere
[10:35] <tgpraveen> then in evolution go
[10:35] <tgpraveen> in iumport and then select the .pst folders etc
[10:35] <tgpraveen> and u should be ready to go.
[10:37] <kholerabbi> OK.. thanks
[10:38] <kholerabbi> how come it's not automatic - like other settings that are imported?
[10:38] <tgpraveen> so guys what are u waiting for in karmic koala? now that we have reached beta in jaunty
[10:38] <tgpraveen> kholerabbi: well this feature was introduced in jaunty only so maybe in future versions..
[10:38] <kholerabbi> :P fair enough
[10:39] <tgpraveen> i am waiting for a2dp support which is in roadmap of gnome 2.28,also ext4 would be much more stable
[10:39] <kholerabbi> whats a2dp?
[10:39] <tgpraveen> also plymouth, face browser as gdm
[10:39] <kholerabbi> I'm for that to
[10:40] <tgpraveen> a2dp means using bluetooth headsets for listening to songs in stereo, voice chatting ,etc
[10:40] <kholerabbi> ok
[10:42] <Aggro> I'm using Jaunty beta version with a thin client. Sounds work first, but after about an minute they stop working. If  everything is restarted, sounds again work untill they suddenly fail. Where should I search for more info?
[10:42] <Aggro> This used to work with 8.04
[10:44] <Aggro> I did a clean reinstall (except I did reinstall the thin client due to another problem.)
[10:45] <Aggro> compiz crashing at logon was the other problem, but I solved that by disabling it.
[10:45] <Aggro> ubuntu kernel: [ 3493.469839] compiz.real[15462]: segfault at 0 ip b7da2168 sp bfbd0c30 error 4 in libGL.so.180.37[b7d28000+8d000]
[10:46] <Aggro> ubuntu pulseaudio[3898]: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: No such file or directory
[10:47] <acicula> misconfigured sound card?
[10:47] <Aggro> pulseaudio[3898]: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_1002_4383_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 tsched=0"): initialization failed.
[10:47] <Aggro> It is integrated sound card on both server and client.
[10:48] <Aggro> Sounds come from the thin client.
[10:48] <Aggro> It was automatically detected and worked fine with 8.04
[10:55] <author> Hi, I had a question relating to Adobe flashplayer. I have flashplugin-nonfree and it's still not working. Adobe-flashplugin wasn't available in the repositories.
[10:55] <Mulder> lets see which i installed
[10:56] <rww> author: are you running 32-bit or 64-bit Ubuntu?
[10:56] <author> I'm running a 32bit.
[10:57] <rww> author: Download it from http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html . Either get the tar.gz file and use the installer in it, or get the deb and double-click it to use gdebi to install it
[10:58] <Mulder> i'm really surprised it's not working for you
[10:58] <Mulder> i installed mine via add/remove
[10:58] <Mulder> works fine
[10:59] <giles> Hey, I am using Jaunty 9.04 Beta
[10:59] <Mulder> waiting for synaptic to update my repository before i tell you which package i installed
[10:59] <giles> I think I have fixed up a problem with mysqld not starting at boot
[10:59] <author> rww: Where would the deb be located?
[10:59] <giles> is anyone else aware of this problem?
[10:59] <giles> firstly I had to install mysql-client-5.1  because the startup script has a dependency on mysqladmin
[11:00] <giles> secondly, I had to make the script create a /var/run/mysqld directory and chown mysql:mysql /var/run/mysqld
[11:00] <Mulder> looks like i'm using flashplayer-nonfree
[11:00] <rww> author: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ --> select .deb in the dropdown
[11:04] <author> rww: Thank you so much. That fix worked perfectly.
[11:05] <giles> does anyone else have a fail to load mysqld in thier bootlog after upgrading to jaunty 9.04 beta?
[11:09] <yofel> giles: you might want to check for a bug report on launchpad and/or ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[11:16] <TheGentleman> hello. I feel dumb....  as I cannot get a freshly installed 9.10 to connect to either any network, not even a wired connection. I never experiernced problems with cable connections since years....
[11:16] <Mulder> you must have a time machine because 9.10 isnt even developed yet
[11:17] <TheGentleman> casorry.... i meant 9.04
[11:17] <TheGentleman> i was thinking of both 8.10 and 9.04 and mixed them up...
[11:17] <Mulder> fair enough hehe
[11:18] <TheGentleman> it's the first time i don't get a connection using any flavour of linux, simply by plugging in a cable
[11:19] <TheGentleman> the cable is ok (now connected to this machine i'm chatting from)
[11:19] <TheGentleman> the eth0 device is there
[11:19] <TheGentleman> so, i dunno where to look
[11:20] <TheGentleman> could anyone help?
[11:22] <giles> TheGentleman: I found that knetworkmanager doesn't work, but Network Manager plasmoid does.
[11:23] <TheGentleman> good to know giles... how do I access it?
[11:24] <giles> TheGentleman: add it to your panel
[11:24] <giles> TheGentleman: Kicker panel
[11:24] <TheGentleman> i dunno about plasmoids... never used kde4 before  i'm on 3.5.10 on my normal computer
[11:25] <giles> TheGentleman: Click the icon on the right, It looks like a foot, well at least to me it does.
[11:25] <giles> TheGentleman: on the right bottom corner of the screen
[11:25] <giles> TheGentleman: Now click add widget
[11:25] <TheGentleman> ok, thanks... i was wondering what that gnome simbol was... lol
[11:26] <giles> Scroll down to the network management widget
[11:26] <giles> add that.
[11:26] <TheGentleman> ok, done
[11:26] <giles> it created a new icon on your kicker panel?
[11:27] <TheGentleman> yes
[11:27] <giles> single left click that icon
[11:27] <TheGentleman> ok
[11:27] <giles> what do you see?
[11:28] <TheGentleman> networking interface (not updatedyet) IP address dum.my.ip.addr
[11:28] <TheGentleman> and a disconnected wireless
[11:28] <giles> nothing about wireless?
[11:28] <giles> oh
[11:28] <giles> yes so...
[11:29] <giles> try clicking on it, I could talk you through it but I have to go to the shops
[11:29] <TheGentleman> but i can't use the wireless now... the router takes the connection from the cable i'm using now
[11:29] <giles> hope that helps
[11:30] <TheGentleman> thanks anyway giles!
[11:30] <giles> well you have had wireless working before on theis machine?
[11:30] <TheGentleman> yes but it was an old version of kubuntu... this computer was unesed since a year or more
[11:31] <TheGentleman> unused*
[11:32] <TheGentleman> and anyway i couldn't connect the wireless... that's why i thought of using the caqble directly: it usuallly connects flawlessly
[11:32] <TheGentleman> but not in this case!
[11:33] <giles> have a play
[11:33] <TheGentleman> yup... I guess this will fill my sunday....
[11:33] <giles> if you worked out how to use kdenetworkmanager you should find this easy.
[11:34] <giles> TheGentleman: does the menu you got when you clicked the icon not show a list of wireless access points?
[11:35] <TheGentleman> well, honestly i abandoned knetworkmngr a year ago in favour of wicd... it gives a stronger signal on my computer
[11:35] <TheGentleman> no
[11:35] <giles> oh
[11:35] <giles> if you fire up a terminal and type iwconfig what can you see
[11:36] <TheGentleman> wanna me to pastebin it?
[11:36] <giles> you could do
[11:36] <giles> yeah
[11:37] <TheGentleman> oh no... i cant!  LOL
[11:37] <TheGentleman>  that computer is not connected
[11:37] <giles> why not?
[11:37] <giles> ah ha!
[11:37] <giles> I thought you said that connecting the wire to that computer worked.
[11:37] <TheGentleman>  anyway wlan is on but not associated to any network
[11:38] <TheGentleman> no, i could not connect either eth0 or wlan0
[11:38] <giles> oh hmm
[11:38] <TheGentleman> that's what makes things difficult!
[11:39] <TheGentleman> i'm now on a desktop close to this computer
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> TheGentleman: mine did that til i populated /etc/resolv.conf
[11:39] <TheGentleman> oh, what do I have to write in ?
[11:39] <giles> TheGentleman: Yeah when you say not connected do you mean you cannot reach websites?
[11:39] <giles> or that you cannot ping an ip
[11:40] <TheGentleman> no ping
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> TheGentleman: nameserver <some ip>
[11:40] <giles> ActionParsnip: if he cant ping then resolv.conf is no help
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> giles: i can only call it as I see it
[11:41] <TheGentleman> ok i will check wich ip is my laptop now using
[11:41] <giles> ActionParsnip: fair enough
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> here's a public DNS IP : <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:41] <gnomefreak> does everyones printer load on boot?
[11:41] <TheGentleman> ok thanks
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> giles: i didnt even get DHCP til I added my DNS
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> giles: very strange I thought
[11:41] <giles> yeah
[11:42] <talex> Hi. I'm trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeroinstall-injector/+bug/336317 (zeroinstall-injector package broken by notification updates). The problems are fixed in Debian. Who do I have to talk to get the fixed version into Jaunty?
[11:42] <giles> ActionParsnip: I use my routher IP as my nameserver in resolv.conf
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> giles: i use my isp ones
[11:45] <TheGentleman> may be I need to add a wired connection in   Manage network connections?
[11:45] <oskar-> hi, is 9.04 (beta) already working quite well, or should i wait with upgrading?
[11:45] <TheGentleman>  though i find it unbelievable i have to do it manually
[11:46] <Aggro> oskar-: I have not seen any major problems, unless if you are using thin clients. But I have only used it for a few hours so far.
[11:46] <giles> TheGentleman: do what manually
[11:47] <TheGentleman> giles: in network management,
[11:48] <oskar-> Aggro:  thanks. i'll give it a try
[11:49] <giles> TheGentleman: so it works now?
[11:49] <TheGentleman> not at all  :(
[11:50] <giles> TheGentleman: It is beta software.
[11:51] <TheGentleman> i know... but network connection must work!  or do I report bugs via snail mail?
[11:51] <TheGentleman> lol
[11:51] <giles> what does "iwlist scan" give you
[11:52] <TheGentleman> no scan results
[11:52] <giles> did this machine ever work with network/wireless?
[11:53] <TheGentleman> sure it did
[11:53] <giles> did it need special drivers installed?
[11:53] <TheGentleman>  i guess it was with kubuntu 7.10 or so a year ago
[11:53] <oskar-> another question: i have a lan "mirror" (actually a cache) for the ubuntu repository. can i do the upgrade (8.10 to 9.04) from that source?
[11:53] <TheGentleman>  then it was left in a corner...
[11:53] <giles> but it just worked "out of the box"
[11:54] <TheGentleman> can't remember... but i can't remember using madwifi or ndiswrapper or anything like that
[11:54] <talex> Hi. I'm trying to fix bug #336317. The problems are fixed in Debian. Who should I talk to get the fixed version into Jaunty?
[11:54] <TheGentleman>  i guess the board was bought for linux compatibility, but it was at least 2 years ago
[11:56] <TheGentleman> and anyway iwconfig shows the board
[12:00] <SandGorgon> TheGentleman: could you use paste.ubuntu.com and give us lscpci -nn output
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> hey all, is there an issue with the nvidia 180.29 driver?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> arpu: i believe it was fixed are you having problems with it?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:19] <gnomefreak> he left
[13:00] <SimonKitching> Hi all. I'm trying to run the "suspend/resume" tests for jaunty (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6970622). As I've noted in that forum post, the timed-wake isn't working; after the script suspends the machine stays suspended until I manually trigger resume. Yesterday in this channel IntuitiveNipple gave me a diagnostic test to try, but then left. Is there anyone here that can help with this? See the forum thread link
[13:08] <eagles0513875> hey guys im trying to get my usb accessible on a vm usin vm workstation but for some reason im not finding my usb device
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: do you have guest additions installed
[13:10] <eagles0513875> do they need to be
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> sure, they give support for devices etc
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> also make sure the vm has usb enabled
[13:16] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: it does :)
[13:16]  * elfgoh wonders if anyone would be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu for 9.10 :p
[13:17] <razius> i just updated to jaunty and firefox keeps hanging and eating a lot of cpu
[13:19] <razius> i disabled all add-ons but it's still at 60%cpu
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> razius: have you tried renaming ~/.mozilla
[13:22] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: its still not picking up my usb device now that i have the vmware addons stuff installed
[13:40] <wathek_> hello all
[13:40] <wathek_> from where could I get Qt 4.4.3 for Jaunty ?
[13:42] <unknown_> Hello Guys, I'm experiencing some problems with java + firefox, cpu utilization is going up to about 50%, and java doesn't run. In opera the problem doesn't exist, Can somebody point me how to fix it? Thanks in advance
[13:49] <RizR> hello
[13:52] <paalny92> hey. how can I update Open office simply?
[13:52] <TheInfinity> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade?
[13:53] <paalny92> eeehhm, I am new in linux. Can u explaine better? :P
[13:53] <platius> unknown_; http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[13:54] <michaeldadmum> type the above command in the terminal.
[13:55] <paalny92> its works :P tnx ;)
[13:56] <TheInfinity> whyever he was in an beta channel ...
[14:00] <jng> slight usability issue with the new ubuntu notifications...  i use a bip irc proxy on a machine...
[14:00] <jng> when i reconnect with pidgin i get the backlog of messages..
[14:01] <jng> so get notifications for the next 20 minutes... hmmm
[14:02] <jng> wondering if there is a way to ask the system just to flush its queue
[14:05] <armegadon> has anyone being experiencing horrible fonts in firefox in jaunty?
[14:06] <unknown_> sorry.. kernel panic. Platius: in firefox this testpage doesn't work for me, same problem, with opera is fine :/
[14:07] <dereine> is there a problem with the intel video driver in 9.04, its incredible slower then on 8.10
[14:08] <dereine> ?
[14:08] <unknown_> armagedon: I've got quite nice fonts..
[14:08] <armegadon> straight from the livdcd or after install they look horrible
[14:08] <gnomefreak> armegadon: they were fixed already there is still work on fonts going on for all apps
[14:09] <acuster> yes, fonts were weird on startup
[14:09] <armegadon> gnomefreak, by fixed do you mean pushed as an update?
[14:09] <gnomefreak> armegadon: i will ping asac this week to find out how far we got or going
[14:09] <platius> unknown_; running the java test link in firefox gives me an antimated cartoon guy running around. Says I have java 6 update 12
[14:09] <gnomefreak> armegadon: yes as of last week
[14:10] <armegadon> gnomefreak, i only notice it in firefox, and its unusable, they're either too small or pixelated
[14:10] <platius> unknown_; I installed java by installing ubuntu-restricted extras
[14:11] <unknown_> platius: I've get the same informations but when use opera, in firefox nothing happen, only cpu is more utilized and I must kill java process to stop it
[14:11] <platius> unknown_;  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:11] <unknown_> platius: I've got it too
[14:11] <platius> hmm
[14:11] <gnomefreak> armegadon: you may have to change the settings i changed to dpi107 seems great here. but as i said i will ping him this week, there is a bug on this already. armegadon join #ubuntu-mozillateam on Monday/Tuesday and ask
[14:11] <unknown_> platius: maybe the problem exist only in amd64 version of ubuntu 9.10?
[14:12] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm this is odd
[14:12] <armegadon> gnomefreak, i guess that would mean i should keep jaunty, but its unusable with the fonts, so i dunno what to do
[14:12] <unknown_> platius: are You using amd64?
[14:12] <platius> unknown_; I am running i386
[14:12] <unknown_> platius: so maybe that's the reason :/
[14:13] <gnomefreak> armegadon: either join us this week or change hte fonts by hand or reinstall Intrepid or comment on the bug. just not sure where it is atm. or you can live with it htat way ;)
[14:13] <platius> unknown_; I have an appointment I have to go to.  sorry
[14:13] <armegadon> gnomefreak, how would i get the font settings like they were in intrepid or hardy, where they all looked fine?
[14:14] <gnomefreak> armegadon: looking for bug right now
[14:14] <gnomefreak> armegadon: Firefox>preferneces> somewhere in ther ei forgot the tab its under
[14:14] <unknown_> platius: ok, thanks for your help
[14:15] <armegadon> gnomefreak, but that makes every site use 1 font, which is also not nice :\
[14:16] <gnomefreak> armegadon: comment on bug 201487 im still looking for the main bug on this
[14:16] <gnomefreak> armegadon: if it is unusible than what is the problem with firefox using same font for any page?
[14:16] <armegadon> gnomefreak, it breaks sites by forcing a font
[14:17] <gnomefreak> not here it doesnt
[14:17] <armegadon> gnomefreak, that bug is over a year old, with the last comment from september 2008
[14:18] <gnomefreak> armegadon: im looking for the main bug on this
[14:18] <armegadon> ok
[14:21] <armegadon> gnomefreak, is it bug 305394
[14:21] <gnomefreak> looking but as i recall it was a different one, yep one im looking for is not the same
[14:22] <armegadon> i really don't want to have to revert to intrepid, but its hurting my eyes :(
[14:25] <armegadon> gnomefreak, is this a firefox or ubuntu bug?
[14:26] <gnomefreak> armegadon: its just about every app.
[14:26] <Machtin> hm.. i got a harddisk i'm going to give away.. how can i overwrite the data, to have it really deleted?
[14:26] <gnomefreak> OO.o is still open as i recall
[14:27] <armegadon> gnomefreak, i only see the problem in firefox
[14:27] <Machtin> doesn't need to be 100% safe, i just want them to be recoverable for a normal person..
[14:27] <Machtin> errm not recoverable.
[14:28] <gnomefreak> armegadon: it was fixed in firefox but if i find the bug we can reopen it. I suggest waiting for asac to get back to PC this week, i cant go through all firefox-3.0 bugs that would take better part of 2 weeks
[14:28] <Machtin> ah, already got it.
[14:28] <armegadon> gnomefreak, ok sure, i just don't understand why i'm having this problem and others aren't
[14:29] <gnomefreak> armegadon: either you are not up to date. You have an extension causing it or a number of other reasons
[14:29] <gnomefreak> armegadon: start firefox in safe-mode and see if it helps
[14:31] <armegadon> gnomefreak, i ran firefox -safemode and it still loaded with all its extensions
[14:32] <gnomefreak> armegadon: firefox --safe-mode
[14:33] <armegadon> gnomefreak, i still have the problem
[14:33] <gnomefreak> armegadon: we spent the better part of 2 weeks talking about the fonts but i dont remember since i work on other things
[14:34] <armegadon> gnomefreak, i'm not sure what else i can do besides going back to intrepid, this is making browsing unbearable :\
[15:06] <definitely> Hey Alll
[15:06] <definitely> Is there any way to prevent pulseaudio from startup ?
[15:07] <definitely> added lines into StartUp Applications with "pkill pulseaudio" but it launches again when i run skype or smth like that.
[15:07] <Dillizar> hey
[15:07] <Dillizar> i have alfa upgraded
[15:07] <charlie-tca> since it is now the default audio, I suspect you would have to remove it and install alsa instead.
[15:08] <Oli``> definitely: pulseaudio -k will kill the daemon
[15:08] <Dillizar> and still cant remember my password
[15:08] <Dillizar> for my dsl
[15:08] <Dillizar> and cant plug in my web cam
[15:08] <Dillizar> saying its not pluged in
[15:08] <definitely> Oli'': Or how i can remove pulseaudio from daemons ?
[15:08] <Oli``> Why isn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg letting me select a display driver?
[15:09] <Oli``> definitely: not sure why you'd want to.. either way I don't know
[15:09] <Dillizar> have installed the driver for your card??
[15:09] <definitely> With Pulse my Firefox sounds are not playing as good as i need..
[15:09] <definitely> Even can call via skype..
[15:09] <Oli``> Dillizar: I mean it's not even giving me a list
[15:09] <definitely> can't call''
[15:09] <oskar-> for my pcmcia wlan card, the ath5k driver is not loaded automatically any more. any ideas?
[15:10] <Dillizar> Oli``: hmm is it nvidia
[15:10] <charlie-tca> Oli``: It hasn't allowed it since hardy
[15:10] <Oli``> Dillizar: VIA
[15:10] <Oli``> trying to get openchrome working
[15:10] <Oli``> charlie-tca: is there an alternative app that does the same as it did?
[15:10] <Dillizar> Oli``: i really dont think 9.04 will be readdy for 23th of april
[15:10] <definitely> Oli''So maybe you know where can i find Daemons list ?
[15:12] <Dillizar> too much things to fix
[15:12] <charlie-tca> sort of, but I need to try and find it
[15:12] <Oli``> seems a little odd to remove it tbh
[15:12] <Dillizar> but i really like the PC cleaner :D but its crashing a lot :D
[15:12] <definitely> So any ideas how to disable PulseAudio ?
[15:12] <Oli``> definitely: have a look at this: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/alsa-instead-of-pulseaudio-for-ubuntu-810-intrepid-a-non-destructive-way/ it's for Intrepid so it might not work and it might break everything you ever knew and loved
[15:13] <Dillizar> definitely: try to remove it :)
[15:13] <Dillizar> do ya have installed alsa ??
[15:13] <Oli``> Dillizar: it's working perfectly on my desktop... It's just being a little more crabby on this little HP Mini Note
[15:13] <definitely> Dillizar: if i remove. updates will crash.
[15:13] <definitely> And report that i need Pulse back and blah blah blah..
[15:13] <Dillizar> Oli``: hmm i think then the drivers
[15:14] <definitely> Tryed that when was using Intrepid, after that Intrepid solved with Sessions line for "pkill pulseaudio" at startup
[15:14] <definitely> And in 9.04 the same method won't work
[15:14] <definitely> Oli'': That link is about removing. I need to disable that process to start up, then system will use alsa. Coz at the moment it liks Emulation from Alsa to Pulse
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Oli``: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution#Problem:%20%20Autodetection%20results%20in%20reduced%20resolutions%20available
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Oli``: also, this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[15:20] <definitely> :(
[15:28] <mint3> jaunty seems to be running smoothly on my pc / whats the fuss about chaps ?
[15:29] <jpds> mint3++;
[15:29] <mint3> uh?
[15:29] <Oli``> mint4?
[15:29] <mint3> i meant what the topic says here
[15:29] <charlie-tca> mint3: for some it does work great
[15:29] <jpds> mint3: That I agree with you.
[15:30] <charlie-tca> for others, it breaks.
[15:30] <charlie-tca> for me, it only breaks once a week or so
[15:33] <AaronMT> Anyone using VLC 0.9.8 and have a weird problem where video is displayed in a seperate output window?
[15:43] <daftykins> why oh why is the beta on a LiveDVD?
[15:44] <nanomad> hi all, i've got a systems that locks up at random while using apt-get. Anyone can help me find out whats is going on?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> so it can be tested, daftykins
[15:44] <puetzk> daftykins: ? it's also on a liveCD, a server CD, and the other usual forms
[15:44] <daftykins> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/
[15:44] <daftykins> ah i don't see CD images listed there
[15:44] <puetzk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[15:45] <Tekno> it doesnt fit on cd *yet*
[15:45] <daftykins> thanks guys
[15:45] <Ienorand> daftykins: error in creation
[15:45] <daftykins> huh Ienorand ?
[15:46] <Ienorand> daftykins: Note on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 700MB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine.
[15:46] <K1981> i need help for kubuntu, i try to run flash with konquerer but it doesnt work
[15:47] <K1981> i have install flashplugin-nonfree already, it work under firefox bur not under konqueror
[15:48] <puetzk> Ienorand: ah, I guess to be more specific I burned kubuntu
[15:48] <puetzk> which was 697MB - technically an overburn, but 700 is pretty standard anymore
[15:49] <daftykins> will there be much difference between the beta and the daily build? just the most up to date packages?
[15:50] <jbroome_> i believe up to date pkgs is the main diff
[15:50] <puetzk> there's also an installer bug that makes the timezone selection dialog show one zone east if your chosen city is too close tothe boundary, but that's pretty minor :-)
[15:51] <Ienorand> daftykins: Think beta was based on 25th daily, so any upgrades since then, which should be equal to just running updates fom the beta...
[15:51] <dan457> There have been a bunch of fixes, i'd grab a daily build if you are installing on a new machine.
[15:51] <daftykins> ok thanks, i have a slow internet connection so that's quite useful
[15:55] <bsnider> is the update-manager completely borked? it never shows up
[15:56] <daftykins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting does anyone think this kind of testing would only be useful on an installed version and not just a booted livecd? i'd like to help out by testing my laptop
[15:56] <BluesKaj> bsnider , if you're on 8.10 just apt-get install it
[15:57] <bsnider> i'm on jaunty. it's installed but not working
[15:57] <charlie-tca> bsnider: it should come up every 7 days if there are no security updates. The icon is no longer used in Ubuntu
[15:58] <charlie-tca> It just pops-up the update-manager now
[15:58] <charlie-tca> If you close it, it comes up in another 7 days
[15:58] <bsnider> maybe i'm not making myself clear
[15:58] <wesley> if ubuntu freezes can I find why in the logs ?
[15:58] <bsnider> there are no update notifications
[15:58] <charlie-tca> bsnider: you are correct
[15:59] <bsnider> and this is an improvement why?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Because Mr. Shuttleworth said so
[15:59] <bsnider> you know whqat mr. shuttleworth can do?
[15:59] <imachine> continue his great work
[15:59] <imachine> now if you exucse me..
[16:00] <imachine> has anyone experienced pulseaudio issues?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> bsnider: see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
[16:00] <imachine> choppy sound at times, flash apps moving oddly quick etc?
[16:00] <wesley> imachine yes I removed pulseaudio
[16:00] <imachine> wesley, lol. well, is that the right solution?
[16:00] <imachine> it's there by default no?
[16:00] <wesley> yes
[16:01] <imachine> it worked good so far.
[16:01] <imachine> and I have not got a hardware mixer on my soundcard.
[16:01] <imachine> laptop with "intel" "highdefiniton" audio.
[16:01] <imachine> (realtek lowcost crapo)
[16:01] <imachine> I miss my aureal vortex
[16:02] <imachine> brb
[16:03] <bsnider> in the software sources updates tab it clearly says check for updates daily. but it isn't checking daily, nor is it notifying me about updates
[16:04] <charlie-tca> you can do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade to get daily updates
[16:04] <charlie-tca> You are not going to get notified daily anymore
[16:04] <bsnider> then the entire universe must be destroyed
[16:04] <charlie-tca> so be it.
[16:05] <daftykins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting/Feedback hmm my question is listed there under "script questions" but there's no sign of any kind of answer? heh
[16:05] <frybye> hi - what exactly do I have to do with the Jaunty Ubuntu Netbook Remix ISO after getting it downloaded and to put it useable on the usb???
[16:06] <frybye> on the usb stick I mean...
[16:09] <frybye> ah ha - looks like I should use the unetbootin application - right?
[16:11] <nanomad> hi all, i've got a system that locks up at random while using apt-get. Anyone can help me find out whats is going on?
[16:15] <bsnider> nanomad, locks up?
[16:15] <nanomad> yes
[16:15]  * penguin42 is very confused by a bug; popping sounds on rhythmbox; but today I'm running Kubuntu KDE desktop - and running amarok or even rhythmbox under that is OK
[16:15] <bsnider> can you expand on that?
[16:15] <nanomad> i can't do anything
[16:15] <nanomad> i can't move mouse or switch to any VT
[16:16] <bsnider> alright so the kernel is locking up. that's a driver issue
[16:17] <penguin42> I guess could just be X lockup?
[16:17] <penguin42> k
[16:17] <bsnider> i don't see a connection between x and apt-get though
[16:18] <bsnider> it's probably the network driver. is it wifi?
[16:20] <bsnider> penguin42, the difference is with kde you're not using gstreamer
[16:20] <nanomad> bsnider: yes, wifi ipw2200
[16:21] <penguin42> bsnider: Even when running rhythmbox?
[16:21] <bsnider> nanomad, i'm just shocked
[16:21] <nanomad> bsnider: may be related to led? O.o
[16:21] <bsnider> penguin42, rhythmbox uses gstreamer
[16:21] <penguin42> bsnider: So that's my point; I get popping running gnome+rhythmbox but not KDE+rhythmbox (or KDE+amarok)
[16:22] <bsnider> nanomad, i'd test it wired if possible. and rmmod the ipw2200 driver first just to be sure it doesn't get in the way
[16:22] <nanomad> bsnider: i'm doing that right now
[16:22] <bsnider> penguin42, there might also be a newer version of that driver in the linux-backports-modules package
[16:23] <nanomad> bsnider: actually, the locks up happens when not using the network (during unpack or configuring stage)
[16:23] <nanomad> bsnider: so i'm quite sure it is not related to it
[16:23] <penguin42> which driver?
[16:23] <bsnider> that would be good
[16:23] <bsnider> oh, i meant to send that to someone else
[16:24] <nanomad> ;)
[16:24] <bsnider> penguin42, what happens if you play something with xine or mplayer in gnome?
[16:24] <penguin42> bsnider: Not tried that; I will do
[16:25] <mxboy15u> anyone want to help me with a wireless issue on 9.04?
[16:26] <nanomad> mxboy15u: go on
[16:27] <mxboy15u> ok, my wireless connects fine I am using wpa2 personal security and the speed tests well, but in real world use it drops the connection frequently.
[16:27] <nanomad> mxboy15u: wlan card model?
[16:27] <mxboy15u> using gmail is almost impossible, so is downloading updates and programs, it seems to work in bursts
[16:27] <mxboy15u> atheros ar5005g
[16:27] <nanomad> mhh
[16:28] <nanomad> try installing linux-backports-modules
[16:28] <bsnider> right. that will have a newer ath5k
[16:28] <mxboy15u> care to walk me through that?
[16:28] <mxboy15u> I am more or less a newb, so be easy
[16:29] <nanomad> bsnider: yes, i've just read the bug report (system locks up on atheros lol)
[16:29] <bsnider> well, here at ubuntu we hate new users
[16:29] <penguin42> haha
[16:29] <mxboy15u> ok, so this is a formal bug already?
[16:29] <bsnider> this issue may have no resolution, since ath5k is still unstable
[16:30] <nanomad> mxboy15u: dont know about your case, there are quite a few bugs filled against ath5k
[16:30] <mxboy15u> ahh, ok thank you for the help
[16:30] <mxboy15u> I will wait for a resolution then, if one ever comes.
[16:30] <nanomad> mxboy15u: sys->admininstration->synaptic-> search and install the package
[16:30] <bsnider> the backports version is right out of john linville's tree
[16:30] <nanomad> (linux-backport-modules)
[16:31] <nanomad> bsnider: installing gambas2 over ethernet went fine (50+megs download),  now i'm switching to wifi
[16:31] <bsnider> maybe it's having trouble unloading the wifi driver after it's done with it
[16:31] <mxboy15u> I am downloading them now
[16:32] <bsnider> mxboy15u, reboot afterwards
[16:32] <mxboy15u> ok
[16:32] <bsnider> mxboy15u, be prepared to be disappointed
[16:32] <mxboy15u> as long as it does not make it worse
[16:32] <mxboy15u> :)
[16:32] <mxboy15u> brb
[16:33] <bsnider> atheros does pay 2 linux developers, but ath5k/9k are just so friggin' new
[16:34] <bsnider> of course lan drivers also kill the windows kernel
[16:35] <bsnider> and apple's atheros driver sucks too
[16:35] <nanomad_> bsnider: well apple loves to fake wifi strenght report. It says 90% when it is really under 60%
[16:36] <mxboy15u> so far so good!
[16:37] <mxboy15u> that 100% fixed my problem!
[16:37] <mxboy15u> thank you
[16:37] <bsnider> yeah but it may have introduced another one
[16:37] <dan457> :-)
[16:37] <mxboy15u> it may have
[16:37] <mxboy15u> then I will be back later
[16:37] <mxboy15u> I am still trying to get my internal mic to work
[16:37] <mxboy15u> care to tackle that one?
[16:37] <bsnider> no
[16:37] <mxboy15u> hehe
[16:37] <mxboy15u> well this is more important
[16:38] <mxboy15u> thanks again
[16:38] <nanomad_> bsnider: d/l ing ambas2 over wifi
[16:38] <penguin42> if you are on intel sound card (probably are) there are a set of options you can pass to the hda-intel module to tell it about how it's connected, it's normally a case of trying one until you find it
[16:38] <bsnider> penguin42, what sound card do you have?
[16:39] <penguin42> bsnider: Intel HDA 82801G - on the ICH7
[16:39] <nanomad_> bsnider: uh-oh
[16:39] <bsnider> did it lock up?
[16:39] <nanomad_> bsnider: i think i may have found the problem
[16:39] <nanomad_> bsnider: no
[16:39] <nanomad_> !pastebin
[16:40] <nanomad_> bsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/140161/
[16:42] <bsnider> nanomad, now, did you upgrade to ext4 from ext3 or did you clean install and format as ext4?
[16:42] <nanomad> bsnider: clean install stright to ext4
[16:42] <tremby> each time i reboot, /dev/null is mode 600. what might be causing this?
[16:43] <bsnider> nanomad, try doing a fsck
[16:43] <lamalex> Is anyone using kvm and virt-manager on jaunty?
[16:43] <penguin42> tremby: I saw someone else report that
[16:43] <penguin42> sounds like a udev screw up?
[16:43] <nanomad> bsnider: ok, will be back in a few seconds
[16:43] <bsnider> you can do them online with ext4
[16:44] <lamalex> I think im getting hit with this bug, that claims to have been fixed, but may have resurfaced
[16:44] <lamalex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/196850
[16:45] <lamalex> oh, i didnt see the end of that bug actually. I can't access it at all
[16:46] <thompa> anybody else got no tools in rhythmbox? isn't there supposed to be some way to remove duplicate entries
[16:46] <penguin42> tools?
[16:47] <thompa> tools from the menu
[16:47] <bsnider> banshee is better than rhythmborks
[16:47] <thompa> i only have python cnsole
[16:47] <thompa> amarok shows only single entries, but in rhythmbox there was something in tools before
[16:47] <penguin42> hang on - fromn which menu?
[16:48] <thompa> music edit view tools...at the top
[16:48] <thompa> the tools menu
[16:48] <penguin42> thompa: I've got music, edit, view, control
[16:48] <thompa> whats in there ? thanks
[16:49] <thompa> its between view and control
[16:49] <tremby> penguin42: aptitude reinstall udev fixed the /dev/null issue
[16:49] <thompa> penguin42: thanks
[16:49] <tremby> thanks for the lead
[16:49] <penguin42> thompa: I haven't got anything between view and control
[16:49] <thompa> i purge and reinstall same thing. where is remove duplicate entries function now
[16:49] <penguin42> tremby: No problem - but if you can check to see whether there's a launchpad entry and add a 'me to'
[16:49] <tremby> penguin42: fixed a network issue i was having too
[16:50] <penguin42> thompa: Was it a plugins?
[16:50] <tremby> oh and fixed my mouse and keyboard not worrking in x issue too! awesome
[16:50] <thompa> penguin42: i still have tools there and under it python console
[16:50] <tremby> that's everything i was here for
[16:50] <thompa> penguin42: no it was working a while back in alpha
[16:50] <penguin42> tremby: Sounds like sometimes udev is having a bad time upgrading
[16:50] <tremby> oh, just mouse. keyboard still not working
[16:51] <penguin42> thompa: Odd, I don't - I bet it's a plugin or the like?
[16:51] <thompa> penguin42: checked that
[16:51] <penguin42> tremby: You're also the second person I've seen complaining about broken keyboard/mouse - what keyboard behaviour are you seeing?
[16:52] <thompa> penguin42: could the python update have messed it?
[16:52] <penguin42> thompa: I don't know - I'm not a python charmer
[16:52] <tremby> penguin42:  restarted X again and it's working... weird. the issue i /was/ having was simply that no keyboard or mouse input had any effect in X. it was fine in textmode, but then when i started X i couldn't get /back/ to textmode. had to ssh in and kill my WM
[16:52] <thompa> i got python console there now strange
[16:53] <penguin42> tremby: Hmm not same symptom as other guy - he has reeeeeeepeats and other oddness
[16:53] <tremby> penguin42: but reinstalling udev seems to have fixed all that
[16:53] <tremby> yeah, none of that
[16:53] <thompa> this is the first time i feel like a reinstall is better a few days from now
[16:54] <thompa> tremby: how do you reinstall udev might i ask, do i need to purge it first or anything?
[16:55] <tremby> thompa: i did sudo aptitude reinstall udev
[16:55] <thompa> i tried that  thanks
[16:55] <tremby> thompa: before that i'd tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow udev, that was giving an error
[16:56] <tremby> something not found -- i forget what
[16:56] <thompa> thanks cause i got a second problem other than python console
[16:57] <thompa> im going to check my other computer see if its hardware
[16:57] <J-_> I just updated Jaunty including firefox update(s). It keeps asking to restart, is this a known issue?
[16:57] <tremby> my laptop was totally fine, no problems at all...
[16:57] <nanomad> bsnider: no more ext4 errors now, but i've checked the logs, and that was the first time they appeared
[16:57] <dtchen> J-_: yes
[16:58] <J-_> dtchen: Is there a fix?
[16:58] <thompa> also firefox is still broken for me. Gmail messages wont open for example and can't clear history
[16:58] <jemark> thompa: mine too, it's fine.
[16:58] <nanomad> thompa: firefox is working fine here with gmail
[16:58] <jemark> thompa: problem is the skype configuration. very low mic level...
[16:59] <thompa> maybe i got graphic issues too, that could cause problem
[16:59] <nanomad> thompa: vid card?
[16:59] <thompa> when i click on the email nothing happens,
[16:59] <thompa> NVIDIA
[17:00] <thompa> no hour glass when i click nothing
[17:00] <nanomad> thompa: that shouldn't be related to graphics harware
[17:00] <thompa> i think so too, but turned off compiz
[17:00] <nanomad> thompa: have u tried running firefox with a new user?
[17:01] <tremby> ah, now i'm having problems resolving IPs. which package does that? i'll try reinstalling it.
[17:01] <thompa> also the bookmarls in the top menu, when i delete them they come back after reboot
[17:01] <thompa> *bookmarks
[17:01] <J-_> It seems I had a partial upgrade too. :(
[17:01] <bsnider> nanomad, that message was inconsequential. read this: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/12/303
[17:02] <nanomad> k, thnk
[17:02] <thompa> I suspect i got  a bad upgrade, maybe python
[17:02] <nanomad> thompa: might be
[17:03] <thompa> i have a shortcut to the same gmail email that i cant delete
[17:03] <xoox> Is do-release-upgrade -d safe to do on a non-server system?
[17:03] <nanomad> bsnider: i'm installing lots of pkgs right now, but it doesnt seem to crash :(
[17:04] <nanomad> xoox: sudo update-manager -c -d?
[17:04] <xoox> nanomad: What is the '-c' option?
[17:04] <xoox> not in the --help
[17:05] <nanomad> Usage: update-manager [options]
[17:05] <nanomad> Options:
[17:05] <nanomad>   -h, --help            show this help message and exit
[17:05] <nanomad>   -V, --version         Mostra la versione ed esce
[17:05] <nanomad>   -c, --check-dist-upgrades
[17:05] <nanomad>                         Verifica se è disponibile un nuovo rilascio della
[17:05] <nanomad>                         distribuzione
[17:05] <nanomad>   -d, --devel-release   Verifica se è possibile avanzare all'ultima versione
[17:05] <nanomad>                         di sviluppo
[17:05] <nanomad>   -p, --proposed        Usa l'ultima versione proposta del sistema di
[17:05] <nanomad>                         avanzamento di versione
[17:05] <thompa> nanomad: ill try new user for everthing, see what happens, i also am using ext4 and have a separate data partition that I mount
[17:05] <nanomad>   --no-focus-on-map     Do not focus on map when starting
[17:05] <nanomad>   --dist-upgrade        Prova a eseguire un dist-upgrade
[17:05] <nanomad>   -s, --sandbox         Test upgrade with a sandbox aufs overlay
[17:05] <xoox> !paste | nanomad
[17:05] <nanomad> xoox: i know :(
[17:05] <xoox> nanomad: I'm talking about do-release-upgrade. What is the difference with update-manager?
[17:06] <nanomad> xoox: AFAIK do-release-upgrade is called by update-manager
[17:06] <dtchen> J-_: not to my knowledge
[17:06] <thompa> I don't know why python console is in rhythmbox anyway, big hose potential
[17:07] <nanomad> thompa: to help in plugin development?
[17:08] <nanomad> thompa: it is optional too (you have to enable it)
[17:08] <xoox> What is the safe version/name of an affected python packages?
[17:08] <xoox> package*
[17:08] <thompa> nanomad: oh maybe i did
[17:09] <thompa> nanomad: Ok so I disabled it and tools menu is gone, thats maybe normal
[17:09] <nanomad> thompa: good
[17:09] <thompa> nanomad: but I thought in tools was way earlier to remove duplicate entries
[17:09] <nanomad> xoox: The problem is corrected in version 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1
[17:10] <scream> What is the syntax to copy a file from one directory to another in terminal?
[17:10] <nanomad> scream: cp -r ?
[17:10] <nanomad> scream: cp source dest (use -r if you have to copy dirs)
[17:11] <xoox> nanomad: Thanks
[17:11] <nanomad> xoox: 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 should be bugged
[17:12] <scream> nanomad, jon@central:/etc$ cp /etc/cron.daily/apt /ect/cron.hourly/apt
[17:12] <scream> ?
[17:12] <nanomad> scream: it depends on what you want to do
[17:13] <nanomad> scream: the syntax is right
[17:13] <xoox> What is an example of a mirror that has the updated python?
[17:13] <nanomad> it.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:13] <xoox> North American mirror would be better for me.
[17:14] <xoox> Is there any way to check that sort of thing?
[17:14] <nanomad> xoox: the main one?
[17:14] <xoox> nanomad: Is that archive.ubuntu.com?
[17:14] <nanomad> xoox: apt-cache policy python2.6 python2.6-minimal
[17:14] <xoox> nanomad: That doesn't help if your mirror doesn't have the update.
[17:14] <nanomad> ah, right
[17:14] <nanomad> ;)
[17:15] <nanomad> xoox: archive.ubuntu.com has the right version for sure
[17:15] <xoox> nanomad: Okay thanks
[17:16] <nanomad> xoox: use us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:16] <nanomad> xoox: so you don't overload the main archive site
[17:17] <xoox> nanomad: Will do
[17:17] <nanomad> xoox: what mirror were you using'
[17:17] <nanomad> ?
[17:17] <xoox> nanomad: gulus.usherbrooke.ca
[17:18] <nanomad> xoox: it has the update package already
[17:19] <xoox> nanomad: apt-cache policy was showing 2.6.1-0ubuntu7
[17:19] <xoox> nanomad: How can you tell?
[17:20] <nanomad> xoox: 2.6.1-1ubuntu7 maybe?
[17:20] <xoox> nanomad: No.
[17:21] <xoox> That's copy-paste from apt-cache policy output
[17:21] <nanomad> xoox: strange. the mirror has the latest version
[17:21] <nanomad> :(
[17:21] <nanomad> see: http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/
[17:21] <xoox> Unless it was updated within the passed couple of minutes.
[17:21] <nanomad> xoox: that might be true
[17:21] <Kangarooo> Ok So now im going to install fastest way Xubuntu 9.04 beta using usb Wifi Using Mini.iso ubuntu 8.10
[17:22] <nanomad> xoox: don't think so, it was update yesterday at 13.00
[17:22] <nanomad> xoox: and there is no trace of 0ubuntu7 in that mirror
[17:22] <nanomad> that's strange
[17:23] <xoox> nanomad: apt-cache policy python; and; apt-cache policy python2.6 show different things.
[17:23] <nanomad> ok, right
[17:23] <xoox> The latter shows the correct version.
[17:23] <xoox> nanomad: Is that normal?
[17:23] <nanomad> python2.6 and python2.6-minimal where affected by the bug
[17:24] <nanomad> xoox: that's normal. python is a meta-package. it gets updated only if necessary (eg new/different dependencies)
[17:24] <xoox> But the candidate for "python" is 2.6.1-0ubuntu7 which would be affected by the bug right?
[17:24] <nanomad> xoox: nope
[17:24] <xoox> nanomad: Alright, thanks
[17:25] <nanomad> bsnider: no lockups in the past minutes
[17:26] <nanomad> bsnider: maybe there is a memory leak somewhere?
[17:26] <dereine> i upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 this day
[17:27] <dereine> i thought there is the new kernel 2.6.28, but i'm here still on 2.6.27, is this a mistake of mine?
[17:27] <jemark> dereine: how is the experience?
[17:28] <dereine> jemark: the experience of 9.04?
[17:28] <jemark> dereine: uh ya
[17:28] <dtchen> which experience?
[17:28] <dtchen> your question lacks scope
[17:28] <nanomad> lol
[17:28] <dereine> ah, i'm just wondering myself
[17:29] <emma> It looks like Jaunty does not have the private encrypted directory in ~ but now it gives the option of encrypting the entire ~ ?
[17:29] <jemark> dereine: in general
[17:29] <dereine> jemark: in general its bad, because the intel video driver is quite slow an kde
[17:29] <dtchen> emma: the option remains, yes, but is not necessarily exposed in the installer
[17:29] <jemark> dereine: thanks
[17:29] <nanomad> emma: it is present in the alternate cd
[17:29] <dereine> perhaps someone has the same experience?, and has a solution,yet ?
[17:30] <emma> dtchen: im using the alt cd, i got an option to encrypt the home directory.
[17:30] <jemark> emma: me too
[17:30] <nanomad> emma: so, i've read wrong
[17:30] <nanomad> my fault
[17:30] <dtchen> emma: dustin kirkland has blogged about manually configuring an encrypted ~/Private
[17:30] <emma> nanomad: ahh the encrypted private directory in home was a nice feature, either that or encrypting the whole home directory, giving ordinary users (the ones that dont use alt cd) the option for that is really good.
[17:30] <nanomad> dereine: there is a theread on the forums about intel drivers i think
[17:31] <dtchen> emma: he has likewise blogged about manually configuring an encrypted ~
[17:31] <emma> dtchen: it's an option in the alt cd install.
[17:31] <dtchen> emma: i realise that. i'm saying that neither option has disappeared as manual configuration.
[17:31] <dereine> nanomad: which forums, ? i only know the german ubuntu site
[17:32] <emma> dtchen: ahh, hopefully it's given as an option in the normal install in a way that typical users can still choose it.
[17:33] <dereine> nanomad: do you have the link?
[17:40] <bsnider> nanomad, a memory leak would gobble up ram, not lock up the kernel
[17:40] <bsnider> nanomad, a memory leak would gobble up ram, not lock up the kernel
[17:41] <Guest50676> it just had 8 minutes left on the install update and then my screen went black and with a blinking line thing
[17:41] <Guest50676> stupid update of 9.04 from 8.10
[17:41] <nanomad> Guest50676: have you tried pressing a button?
[17:41] <Guest50676> it did nothing
[17:42] <armegadon> has anyone else been noticing pixellated and small fonts in firefox using jaunty beta?
[17:42] <nanomad> Guest50676: was still downloading? or already installing?
[17:42] <nanomad> armegadon: can you upload a screen shot?
[17:42] <Guest50676> it killed my 8.10 and now i have to uninstall it and use windows till i redownload the image
[17:42] <Guest50676> it was installing with 8 minutes left
[17:42] <Guest50676> on the install
[17:42] <armegadon> nanomad, gimme a sec
[17:43] <nanomad> armegadon: please give us info about font size, name and type of antialiasing
[17:43] <nanomad> Guest50676: does it boot into recovery mode?
[17:44] <armegadon> nanomad, i'm using the default font size in jaunty, with all the other default settings, like subpixel smoothing
[17:44] <nanomad> ok, but since i've changed it, i dunno what they are
[17:44] <Guest50676> well what i did after i restarted my computer trying to reget into ubuntu it said something about my monitor not being hooked up or was it the nvidia drivers
[17:44] <Guest50676> it was the nvidia drivers
[17:44] <nanomad> Guest50676: you got a faulty xorg install
[17:45] <Guest50676> whats that mean
[17:45] <nanomad> try booting into recovery mode and see if it asks to fix xserver
[17:45] <scream> anyone on the bug control team active here?
[17:45] <penguin42> there is #ubuntu-bugs
[17:46] <armegadon> nanomad, http://i43.tinypic.com/b4dsow.png
[17:46] <scream> penguin42, all silent there :)
[17:46] <Guest50676> the thing is nano i had to uninstall ubuntu from windows
[17:46] <scream> Even tho there are 140 users
[17:46] <nanomad> Guest50676: so we cant help
[17:46] <dereine> how can i enable to use the intel video driver
[17:47] <Guest50676> okay
[17:47] <dereine> its currently using the mesa driver
[17:47] <nanomad> dereine: wow
[17:47] <nanomad> dereine: what vid card do you have?
[17:47] <Guest50676> once i reinstall ubuntu should i update to 9.04?
[17:47] <Guest50676> should it work?
[17:47] <nanomad> Guest50676: download the iso of Jaunty Alpha
[17:47] <dereine> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2
[17:47] <nanomad> err, beta
[17:48] <dereine> nanomad: no i guess intel 965GM
[17:48] <Guest50676> instead of 8.10?
[17:48] <dereine> so i guess
[17:48] <nanomad> dereine: you are using intel
[17:48] <nanomad> Guest50676: yes
[17:48] <dereine> nanomad: mh sad, its so slow
[17:48] <Guest50676> where is the download link?
[17:48] <nanomad> dereine: have u looked into the forums
[17:48] <ellar> Where to add modules that should be unloaded before suspend? Does anyone know?
[17:48] <dereine> nanomad: yes but i couldn't find a good solution problem description yet
[17:49] <Guest50676> whats new in 9.04? like whats better about it?
[17:50] <nanomad> Guest50676:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[17:50] <armegadon> nanomad, http://i43.tinypic.com/b4dsow.png
[17:50] <nanomad> armegadon: try changing the subpixel rendering thing
[17:51] <Guest50676> oh, i acttually have a relevant bug thta might be something to look into
[17:51] <armegadon> nanomad, i've messed around with all the settings there, in hardy and intrepid with the same settings it works 100%
[17:51] <nanomad> armegadon: well, alghorithms do change
[17:52] <armegadon> nanomad, whos the best person to talk to about this, like maybe someone from the ubuntu dev team?
[17:52] <Guest50676> my mouse would randomly freeze up and then make ubuntu spawn like 100 wastebasket windows no matter where the mouse pointer was on screen
[17:52] <nanomad> armegadon: whats ubuntu deafult choice?
[17:52] <knittl> hm, are nvidia drivers currently broken?
[17:52] <bsnider> knittl, no
[17:52] <knittl> $ glxgears
[17:52] <knittl> Error: glXCreateContext failed
[17:52] <nanomad> armegadon: try opening a bug report (look in launchpad if there is one already open first!)
[17:53] <bsnider> knittl, you don't have the drivers properly installed
[17:53] <zlobi> Hello
[17:53] <armegadon> nanomad, sans 10 for size, subpixel smoothing, slight hinting rgb subpixel order and 95 font dpi
[17:53] <knittl> bsnider: how come? but ok, i'll try reinstalling them
[17:53] <nanomad> armegadon: i've changed slight to full and it is better
[17:54] <bsnider> knittl, at the comadn line, what does dkms status give you?
[17:54] <zlobi> Laptop Acer 5920G, clean install of kUbuntu 8.10, immediate update to 9.04 Beta
[17:54] <armegadon> nanomad, that makes it worse for me
[17:54] <zlobi> All good except wireless
[17:54] <knittl> bsnider: only vboxdrv*
[17:54] <zlobi> On 8.10 it was connecting fine
[17:54] <nanomad> armegadon: ok
[17:55] <knittl> brb
[17:55] <zlobi> wlan is led up
[17:55] <nanomad> armegadon: have u got an LCD screen?
[17:55] <armegadon> nanomad, yes
[17:56] <nanomad> armegadon: so try changing RGB with BGR
[17:56] <Guest50676> nanomad: also the 9.04 update shut down my internet connection as it was installing was it supposed to do that?
[17:56] <nanomad> armegadon: remember to reopen firefox
[17:56] <nanomad> Guest50676: well, if that happened after d/l everything the answer might be yes
[17:57] <Guest50676> yes, it was after the download
[17:57] <armegadon> nanomad, bgr makes it blurry and I have been restarting firefox after every try
[17:57] <zlobi> Was it wireless connection?
[17:57] <zlobi> What adapter?
[17:57] <Guest50676> but it also started changing my background and my taskbars andd stuff
[17:57] <nanomad> armegadon: ok, have u tried all the other subpixel orders?
[17:58] <Guest50676> my  dsl box is a westell 6100
[17:58] <armegadon> nanomad, yes, none give me the working fonts as hardy and intrepid
[17:58] <zlobi> Maybe he needs to restart the X server
[17:58] <nanomad> armegadon: I don't know. Try posting on the forums (jaunty section). Maybe someone can help
[17:59] <armegadon> ok thanks nanomad
[17:59] <nanomad> Guest50676: do you use ppoe
[17:59] <Guest50676> no
[17:59] <zlobi> I?
[17:59] <zlobi> No, my router uses
[17:59] <nanomad> Guest50676: did you use the standard theme of 8.10?
[17:59] <Guest50676> yes
[18:00] <nanomad> Guest50676: so it is normal, since you didn't modify anyithing
[18:00] <Guest50676> it changed it to this other orange one i kind of liked too
[18:00] <nanomad> Guest50676: just like upgrading from xp to vista, the theme is the new one ;)
[18:00] <Guest50676> i have yet to do that
[18:00] <Guest50676> my base is still xp sp 3
[18:01] <zlobi> Mine too
[18:01] <Guest50676> its the only stable thing windows has ever released
[18:01] <zlobi> But keep getting tcpip.sys BSOD
[18:01] <nanomad> lol
[18:01] <Guest50676> thats not good
[18:01] <zlobi> Emm, Vista is stable
[18:02] <zlobi> But it eats so much resources that... nvm
[18:02] <Guest50676> got one last question...  a friend is giving me her old laptop it runs windows 98 well... i was thinking since it will be mine of stripping it and putting ubuntu on it
[18:02] <Guest50676> what release could should work?
[18:02] <nanomad> Guest50676: specs?
[18:02] <Guest50676> no idea
[18:02] <nanomad> Guest50676: try xubuntu
[18:02] <bsnider> zlobi, and when you're done isntalling all ofthe ezxtra software it takes to get xp to work right and be secure, it will eat the same amount of resources
[18:02] <Guest50676> id be able to tell you if i had the name of the top
[18:03] <Guest50676> but she doesnt remember
[18:03] <Guest50676> it just sits around and no one uses it
[18:03] <zlobi> Security, still I am behind a router
[18:03] <nanomad> Guest50676: try xubuntu or fluxbuntu. But if it is too old you may have to use puppy linux
[18:03] <bsnider> Guest50676, ubuntu might be too thirsty for it, but there are distros made for old hardware, like damn small
[18:04] <Guest50676> i heard people talk of puppy whats it like?
[18:04] <Guest50676> besides cute sounding because of its name hehe
[18:04] <nanomad> Guest50676: it is ok
[18:04] <zlobi> Why you think it is a crappy lappy?
[18:04] <Guest50676> it runs 98
[18:04] <Guest50676> i scoff at it
[18:04] <zlobi> Better start with 7.10 and go low until works smooth ;)
[18:04] <nanomad> Guest50676: it has w98 on it so it is pre 2000 at best
[18:05] <nanomad> zlobi: so you loose security for performance, good ;)
[18:05] <zlobi> Well, maybe some psycho installed the 98
[18:05] <nanomad> zlobi: that could be
[18:05] <Guest50676> by the way... i guess i can say this to you all ... you guys do such a great thing linux/ubuntu is the best thing ever
[18:05] <frybye> re Laser---
[18:05] <nanomad> we all know ;)
[18:06] <zlobi> btw, smo interested in my small wi-fi problemo? :)
[18:06] <Guest50676> and yay 11% done
[18:06] <nanomad> zlobi: go on
[18:06] <zlobi> Acer Aspire 5920G
[18:06] <nanomad> zlobi: hope you dont have atheros
[18:06] <bsnider> we don't help acer customers here
[18:06] <bsnider> sorry
[18:06] <nanomad> bsnider: i'm an acer customer myself :(
[18:06] <mifritscher> hmm, if it has say a 600 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram  and a 10...20 GB ram this notebook should be suitable at least for 8.04, which is a LTS
[18:07] <zlobi> Installed kUbuntu 8.10, used for a month, then broke it a bit (every tab was showing twice in taskbar)
[18:07] <zlobi> So I reinstalled 8.10 and immediately updated to 9.04
[18:07] <zlobi> But now no wi-fi
[18:07] <nanomad> zlobi: what wifi card do you have?
[18:07] <bsnider> then why not just install 9.04
[18:07] <bsnider> that's odd
[18:07] <zlobi> wlan is installed, it lights
[18:07] <zlobi> I detect the network
[18:08] <zlobi> My router
[18:08] <bsnider> was it working in intrepid?
[18:08] <zlobi> Same config as before, 1:1
[18:08] <nanomad> zlobi: again, wlan card model? There is a bug in atheros drivers
[18:08] <zlobi> Yes, very smoothly
[18:08] <zlobi> Some Intel, wait
[18:08] <nanomad> zlobi: ok
[18:09] <Guest50676> oh to add perspective on the age of the system... the laptop,  it has a floppy drive
[18:09] <bsnider> i should just put "install the lbm package" in the clipboard
[18:09] <zlobi> Intel with draft-N
[18:09] <nanomad> zlobi: 4965 i think
[18:09] <bsnider> there's a driver for that?
[18:09] <zlobi> There is only one they put in Acer 5920G
[18:09] <bsnider> i didn't know that
[18:09] <mifritscher> zlobi, ah, it is a 4965 agn "n disabled"
[18:09] <mifritscher> ?
[18:10] <zlobi> No, it works
[18:10] <nanomad> zlobi: so, lets start with the basics.
[18:10] <zlobi> In net manager, when I press Scan, I get the network
[18:10] <mifritscher> Guest50676: which was common until ~ 1 Ghz notebooks
[18:10] <zlobi> 99% strenght
[18:10] <Guest50676> so that means im screwed?
[18:10] <mifritscher> zlobi, I ask because I have a 4965 agn d disabled card, which try to connect to n-networks, too, but then badly hangs
[18:11] <mifritscher> Guest50676; we need more data :-)
[18:11] <zlobi> Can't call it a hang
[18:11] <zlobi> just says "can't connect"
[18:11] <Guest50676> will try and ask the girl
[18:11] <mifritscher> the card hangs, not the whole notebook
[18:11] <zlobi> And was fine on 8.10
[18:11] <Cycom> Guest50676: it doesn't have a CD-rom?
[18:11] <Guest50676> it has both
[18:11] <zlobi> Not so bad
[18:11] <mifritscher> do you know the brand and the modell?
[18:11] <Cycom> Guest50676: oh, yeah. I'd run 8.04 or 8.10 on there.
[18:11] <bsnider> zlobi, install the lbm package
[18:11] <nanomad> zlobi: give us the iwconfig command result
[18:12] <Guest50676> if i remember correct the girl said the floppy drive is external
[18:12] <Cycom> Guest50676: preferably xubuntu, because it's lighter weight.
[18:12] <zlobi> ok, tell me what to type in the console pls
[18:12] <Cycom> Guest50676: you might have to do an alternate install.  Scrounging up some extra ram would be good.
[18:12] <knittl> hm. i can't seem to get my built in microphone working …
[18:12] <Cycom> Guest50676: any idea what processor it has?
[18:13] <knittl> it's recording directly from audio-output
[18:13] <Guest50676> no
[18:13] <zlobi> ok, coming...
[18:13] <zlobi> lo        no wireless extensions.
[18:13] <zlobi> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[18:14] <zlobi> wmaster0  no wireless extensions.
[18:14] <zlobi> wlan0     IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:""
[18:14] <zlobi>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
[18:14] <zlobi>           Tx-Power=15 dBm
[18:14] <zlobi>           Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2352 B
[18:14] <zlobi>           Encryption key:off
[18:14] <zlobi>           Power Management:off
[18:14] <zlobi>           Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
[18:14] <zlobi>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[18:14] <zlobi>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[18:14] <bsnider> use pastebin
[18:14] <zlobi> pan0      no wireless extensions.
[18:14] <zlobi> zlobi@TeRaDiVa-M:~$
[18:14] <Cycom> ugh, zlobi
[18:14] <Cycom> !pastebin | zlobi
[18:15] <zlobi> going to read
[18:15] <zlobi> sorry
[18:15] <Cycom> Guest50676: find out how much ram that suckah has and what speed the proessor is, but chances are if it runs winduhs, it'll run some version of linux :)
[18:15] <Guest50676> okay
[18:15] <nanomad> zlobi: ok, so whats the ESSID of your network? Security type?
[18:16] <zlobi> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/140202/
[18:16] <Guest50676> and i think i actually hate using windows now
[18:16] <nanomad> Cycom: indeed ;)
[18:16] <Guest50676> the only thing i need it for is games
[18:16] <zlobi> TKIP
[18:16] <nanomad> zlobi: so its WPA(2), right?
[18:16] <Cycom> Guest50676: games? what kind of games?
[18:16] <zlobi> No, sec
[18:16] <zlobi> opening router
[18:16] <Guest50676> Note to ubuntu gods... make games like civilization 4 work for ubuntu
[18:16] <nanomad> ok
[18:17] <nanomad> Guest50676: note for game developers, try using OpenGL first ;)
[18:17] <zlobi> WPA-PSK
[18:17] <Guest50676> what do you mean
[18:17] <bsnider> Guest50676, you can help. all you have to do is reverse engineer all of direct3d. up to the challenge?
[18:17] <nanomad> zlobi: ok, can you disable WPA-PSK and put a basic wep just for testing
[18:17] <Guest50676> hahaha
[18:17] <nanomad> zlobi: ?
[18:17] <Cycom> Guest50676: I think you can get it working in cedega as well.
[18:17] <Guest50676> im a kid
[18:18] <zlobi> Note to Ubumtu gods - make free game emulator ;)
[18:18] <dreamon_> Using 9.04Beta .. I'm losing keyboard funktion after a while.. is this a known bug
[18:18] <Guest50676> i can do alot on computers
[18:18] <Guest50676> but still
[18:18] <Guest50676> im 17
[18:18] <zlobi> ok, putting basic web
[18:18] <nanomad> dreamon_: try looking in launchpad
[18:18] <Cycom> Guest50676: basically, what happens is when they're writing the game, they pick the Microsoft way of writing games instead of the "works everywhere" way.
[18:18] <bsnider> Guest50676, buy a console