[00:02] <hggdh> Lint, update-manager seems to be working here
[00:04] <Lint> strange, it crashes when I choose 'Partial Upgrade'
[00:05] <hggdh> oh, OK, I did not try that. Might have helped if you were to be a bit more specific ;-)
[00:05] <Lars_G> Meh my body slept here
[00:06]  * Lars_G searches his skin for fingerprint
[00:32] <alteregoa> question: is there a thing to trace the files loaded during bootup?
[00:38] <Lars_G> meh
[00:38] <Lars_G> Who was it that helped me here the other day....
[00:39] <arpu> hello any chance to get in this patch in karmic kernel ? http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=22180
[00:39] <arpu> what do i need to get this done ?
[00:40] <arpu> path for http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309
[00:40] <alteregoa> i am try to made a ubuntu faststarter upx'ing the libs and executables needed to start the machine up
[00:40] <Lint> arpu, write to ubuntu-devel maillist
[00:41] <arpu> ok thx Lint
[00:43] <bucky> arpu, are you sure it hasn't already been added to some version of the kernel?
[00:43] <arpu> bucky:  no idea how can i find this ?
[00:43] <bucky> where did you find the patch?
[00:43] <arpu> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309
[00:44] <joaopinto> arpu, I have seen people here reporting unresponsive system during large files copy on karmic
[00:44] <joaopinto> arpu, I am not sure it's related to that bug
[00:44] <arpu> yes i have this problem too on jaunty
[00:44] <arpu> No, the patch is queued up for 2.6.32 since it was a rather risky change for
[00:44] <arpu> 2.6.31. But I'm glad it makes a difference, that means that the starvation
[00:44] <arpu> experienced is largely on the device side. By draining the queue, we prevent
[00:44] <arpu> that from happening (or, at least we lessen the effect dramatically).
[00:45] <arpu> from the patch man
[00:45] <joaopinto> arpu, you should find or create a bug report on launchpad, and link it to that bug
[00:45] <bucky> it's prolly because Linus booted Con Kolivas our only hope of sane scheduling
[00:45] <arpu> joaopinto:  ok under what kernel ?
[00:46] <joaopinto> I believe there is also an ubuntu kernel channel, not sure that would help to get their attention
[00:46] <joaopinto> arpu, check #ubuntu-kernel the pople with the ability to identify/commit that patch should be there
[00:46] <joaopinto> people
[00:47] <Twigaathy> Think the problem is the totally different users of linux (re: scheduler)... HPC people with clusters want something totally different to that of a desktop user :o
[00:47] <Twigaathy> (I assume you can pick and choose a scheduler when you do a kernel compile? :>)
[00:48] <Lars_G> Who was helping me with xorg before?
[00:49] <bucky> xorg in ubuntu sucks.. but it prolly sucks equally in all distros by now
[00:49] <joaopinto> !ot | bucky
[00:51] <bucky> i ended up running jockey-gtk because luckily the nv driver could give me a desktop while i did it and jockey gave me a useable xorg.conf
[00:53] <bucky> alteregoa, you can type dmesg and see what went on during the boot.. does your computer take a long time to boot?
[00:54] <bucky> mine takes only a few seconds but i think its cause my fake raid works pretty good
[00:58] <Twigaathy> bootchart says I boot in ~15 seconds, and I'm using crazy NFS root hax :)
[01:00] <bucky> that's pretty good!
[01:00] <bjsnider> crazy nfs root hax
[01:00] <bjsnider> i saw them in amsterdam. they were a good cover band
[01:02] <Twigaathy> lol
[01:02] <Twigaathy> NFS root is awesome btw. It's *brilliant* to be able to have all my storage on a single machine and have this one diskless. :)
[01:02] <Twigaathy> apologies for semi-!ot
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> sucks if the server goes down. :)
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> ages ago kde had some big issues with home on nfs. Not tried it again in years. :)
[01:03] <Twigaathy> True, true. More points of failure. But it is on a 6 disk raid10 with a hotspare...
[01:03] <Twigaathy> oh, I use xfce... :)
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> last i tried nfs /home was befor there even was a XFCE.. i belive. :)
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> been ages ago
[01:04]  * Dr_Willis is old
[01:04] <Twigaathy> doom
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> I recall  playing Quake for the first time and being amazed. :)
[01:05] <bucky> i still love the old doom
[01:05] <bucky> it's corny
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> Not been keeping up with the id games.. I got that Doom3 ( the last one that was real real real 'dark')  and couldent stand to play it.. not bought any id games since.
[01:07]  * w4ett says Dr_Willis ain't that old
[01:07]  * Dr_Willis used to IRC on greenbar printing 'terminals'
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> at least im not 'i had to sort punchcards' old....
[01:08]  * w4ett used to program basic on punchcards
[01:08] <w4ett> :P
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> 'those were the days'
[01:09] <w4ett> lol
[01:09]  * Dr_Willis does have a Timex Sinclare 1000 hanging on the wall. with 4k ram! :)
[01:09] <hggdh> I used to programm fortran on punched cards
[01:10] <hggdh> and cobol, and algol
[01:10]  * Dr_Willis found fortran..... annoying.
[01:10]  * hggdh thinks it is... dangerous
[01:10] <Twigaathy> cor, beats me by a long way. I'm a young-un. First machine I used was a BBC Micro in school, first 'home' computer was the families 386 which booted some flavour of MS-DOS and windows 3.1!
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> everyone else was using fortran for their 'homework' i was using my amiga and REXX :)
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> !info rexx
[01:11] <hggdh> I wish there was an amiga... it was the IBM 1130, or the /360
[01:11] <w4ett> My first computer from a kit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> Argh? no Rexx?
[01:11] <hggdh> we do not have rexx on Ubuntu
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> !info regina-rexx
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> yes you do. :)
[01:11] <hggdh> I stand corrected ;-)
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> Not that i rember much rexx...
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> I still look back at these Old os's and think of what features they had.. that are missing in Linux/gnome
[01:12] <hggdh> 15 years for me (on OS/2)
[01:18] <skyjumper> yeah didn't the amiga have smooth hardware accelerated graphics/video with the main cpu at 5MHz (or so)?
[01:19] <hggdh> yes. way better than the PC
[01:26] <hggdh> wow, that was something: put in a movie DVD, my X session went haywire
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> I liked how all the amiga applications had 'rexx ports' where they could talk/script/controll each other.
[01:44] <mphill> did everyone's menu icons disappear?
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> Main menu yes.. sub menus they exist
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> I tend to turn them all off
[01:45] <EagleScreen_> yes my Menu icons are missing
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> the add/remove icon is still there. but thats it.
[01:55] <hggdh> mine magically changed the theme (unknown) for a while, then (again, magically) went back to Human. Icons were still there, but I have more than one theme installed
[01:59]  * Dr_Willis wonders when the 'gnome users' will be deemed smart enough to actually handle the complex task of  'screen saver configuration'
[02:00] <crdlb> when someone cares enough to implement it
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> from the flamefest i read on the topic.. the gnome devs in charge of the screen savers considered it too complex a setting for users.. :)
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> That was an amuseing flame war
[02:01]  * Dr_Willis recalls back when flying toasters where 'high tech'
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> wow... the icon for 'xkill' looks so much nicer now. :)
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> its the little things you notice about new releases that make it so much fun
[02:03] <bjsnider> how do you mean screen saver configuration?
[02:03] <bjsnider> i mean what the deuce is complex about it?
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> last i checked - the screen savers (some of which are configurable) had No settings you could change at all (via the screensaver config gui)
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> I just  sort of thoguth about it- because I got kubuntu and ubuntu installed.. and kubuntu installs the other screen savers.. tghat DO have some config options
[02:04] <crdlb> they're mostly from xscreensaver
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> 'gnome screen saver' vs 'Xscreensaver'
[02:05] <bjsnider> other than having the thing come on after x minutes, i'm not sure exactly what needs to be configured
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> bjsnider:  it would be nice to actually be able to select a dirctory for the slide show saver to use... or change the 'text' in the 'text scrolling screen saver'
[02:06] <Pici> bjsnider: each screensaver itself has a bunch of parameters
[02:06] <bjsnider> that can't be changed in some text config file somewhere?
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> last i looked - using gnome.. No...
[02:06] <crdlb> it can
[02:06] <crdlb> but that's not very fun
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> that was sort of the core/fighting of the  thread flamefest..
[02:06] <wastrel> i am up grading to koala
[02:06] <Pici> They can be changed by using the xscreensaver-demo to modify the settings
[02:06] <bjsnider> your screensaver should just be a black screen. otherwise you're using power when you don't need to be
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> xscreensaver has a lot more configs/gui to change the confiug.
[02:07] <crdlb> I have to agree with bjsnider there
[02:07] <wastrel> i use the bouncing gnome feet
[02:07] <Dr_Willis> actually wouldent it be better off to pwer OFF the monitor...
[02:07] <Dr_Willis> but thats not the point.. :)
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> be bext to power off the whole pc...
[02:08] <bjsnider> power off after 15 minutes or something
[02:08] <bjsnider> easy to set up.
[02:08] <bjsnider> that's pretty close to the default ubuntu setup
[02:08]  * Dr_Willis wants his porn slideshow...
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> err.. vacation pictures
[02:09] <bjsnider> have a look at what your cpu is doing after some of the busy screensavers
[02:10] <Dr_Willis> i dont really care.. if i want flyijng toasters i want flying toasters
[02:10] <Dr_Willis> it would be neat to have a screensaver showing my torrents/summary  in a nice purty way
[02:11] <bjsnider> well, write one up
[02:11] <Dr_Willis> got no way to configure it in gnome even if i did.. :)
[02:11] <wastrel> it says about 4 hours
[02:11] <MindSpark> hi, just upgraded to karmic. wifi is not working anymore on my eee. Any ideas ?
[02:11] <bobo6> i have an update-manager problem with karmic
[02:11]  * Dr_Willis apt-cache searches to see what screensavers are  in the new releases
[02:11] <bobo6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/264119/
[02:12] <bobo6> does this make sense to anyone? I'm no python guru by any means
[02:13] <Dr_Willis> !info electricsheep
[02:14] <Dr_Willis> !info akonadi
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My laptop decided to hibernate in the middle of me sshing in and doing an apt-get upgrade....
[02:19] <bobo6> towhomitmayconcern:  sudo apt-get install update-manager fixes it
[02:21] <Dr_Willis> You had to update the update manager?
[02:26] <bobo6> yes
[02:27] <bobo6> it went batsh*t crazy tonight
[02:31] <MindSpark> just upgraded my eee to karmic. wifi is not working anymore. atheros driver was used on jaunty.Any ideas ?
[02:31] <Lars_G> hmmm let me see what my PB is using
[02:32] <Lars_G> Mine's using the ath5k module
[02:44] <wastrel> it says about 2 hours left
[03:02] <dtchen> pulse 0.9.16-test7 + po updates uploaded to ppa.
[03:03] <dtchen> depending on the buildd score, should be available in a few hours
[03:05] <EagleScreen> Can you change the number of virtual Desktops?
[03:06] <IdleOne> EagleScreen: right click on them
[03:06] <EagleScreen> right click -> preferences
[03:06] <IdleOne> sure try that :)
[03:06] <EagleScreen> then appears a windows to set colums and rows
[03:07] <EagleScreen> but the number of them is set to cero and is not editable
[03:07] <IdleOne> ahh well then there is a bug
[03:07] <IdleOne> report it
[03:07] <EagleScreen> launchpad is down right now
[03:15] <darthanubis> Today marks its 40th birthday! In fall 1969, computers sending data between two California universities set the stage for the Internet,
[03:16] <billybigrigger> it's not fall
[03:16] <IdleOne> so Happy Birthday to internet and I'll remember to send Al Gore a card
[03:17] <IdleOne> he intervented the interwebs
[03:19] <wastrel> my koala says 9 hours remaining
[03:20] <billybigrigger> remaining on what?
[03:35] <DanaG> awesome: "Session active, not inhibited, screen idle.  If you can see this text, your display server is broken and you should notify your distributor.  Please see http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/gnome-power-manager-and-blanking-removal-of-bodges/ for more information."
[03:36] <hggdh> yep. Still waiting for the patches to get through
[03:37] <DanaG> Well, at least I finally figured out what that durn mystery icon in my notification-area was.
[03:37] <DanaG> Is there a launchpad bug about that?
[03:37] <hggdh> not to my knowledge
[03:47] <wastrel> now it says 1 hour
[03:52] <alteregoa> you need to register koala, a single user license is 1000 bcks
[03:53] <IdleOne> alteregoa: ??
[03:53] <bjsnider> alteregoa, really? i love that idea
[03:53] <alteregoa> its raining balls here
[03:53] <bjsnider> as long as all of the money goes to me
[03:53] <alteregoa> yeah
[03:53] <bjsnider> i thought winblows was overpriced
[03:53] <alteregoa> maybe
[03:54] <alteregoa> a mantis is always fat
[03:54] <IdleOne> do I get a plush koala with my reg. fee?
[03:54] <bjsnider> no, you get dirt kicked in your face
[03:55] <alteregoa> yeah you can get the plus ed of koala with additional screenshots and a few games like bone billiard and stuff
[03:55] <IdleOne> well that's only worth about #550
[03:55] <IdleOne> $
[03:55] <alteregoa> and burplocker on the ultimate edition its just 500 bucks more
[03:56] <IdleOne> how much is karmic koala 7 ultimate XXZ
[03:56] <IdleOne> with burplocker
[03:56] <alteregoa> 2000 dollars, but you can use it only on this machine
[03:57] <alteregoa> a vol license for 10 puters is just 25k dollars
[03:58] <IdleOne> see I don't like the restrictiveness of linux. I will stick with Windows 95
[03:58] <alteregoa> with warranty, if you die on a heart stroke we give your money back
[04:32] <DBO> anyone got any suggestions for a current generation netbook that works well with UNR karmic?
[04:36] <abdullah> any one can help m ?
[04:37] <billybigrigger_> can't help without a question being asked
[04:37] <billybigrigger_> i have the mouse over "Restart Now"
[04:38] <billybigrigger_> i might not make it back....
[04:38] <billybigrigger_> this is +1 you know :P
[04:39] <abdullah> any one ?>
[04:44] <wastrel> almost done upgrading to koala
[04:46] <billybigrigger> hehe
[04:46] <billybigrigger> what the hell happened to the window borders?
[04:48] <billybigrigger> anyone alive tonight?
[04:50] <billybigrigger> thank god i can open multiple terminal tabs
[04:50] <billybigrigger> and thank god for irssi and links :P
[04:52] <billybigrigger> really, no one is around tonight?
[04:52]  * mkoehler waves
[04:52] <billybigrigger> have you updated today?
[04:52] <mkoehler> yeah I did
[04:52] <billybigrigger> what's up with metacity?
[04:52] <billybigrigger> all the window borders are gone
[04:52] <mkoehler> hmm I don't have that issue
[04:53] <mkoehler> don't really know what to tell ya
[04:53] <mkoehler> I've got like 8-9 things crashing on me, but not enough to stop me from using the comp heh
[04:53] <wastrel> are you using metacity or compiz
[04:53] <wastrel> window borders
[04:54] <mkoehler> i'm using metacity
[04:54]  * billybigrigger thinks
[04:54] <billybigrigger> compiz here
[04:54] <billybigrigger> :)
[04:54] <mkoehler> you use emerald?
[04:54] <billybigrigger> no
[04:54] <billybigrigger> metacity/compiz
[04:54] <Lars_G> Question, I have a netbook with gnome, and of course my screen estate is limited. Sometimes windows are opened that are larger than the screen and some of those windows are not resizeable, is there any option or way in which I can see or pan the whole window contents to access hidden buttons and areas?
[04:55] <billybigrigger> so i should still have my window borders if metacity is fine
[04:55] <mkoehler> yeah, I use compiz, I just use the metacity window boarders
[04:55] <mkoehler> yeah
[04:55] <billybigrigger> metacity --replace fixed her
[04:55] <mkoehler> Lars_G: doesn't just holding alt, clicking on the window and dragging work?
[04:56] <Lars_G> mkoehler: doh
[04:56] <mkoehler> haha
[04:56] <mkoehler> it's all good, that's what I'm sitting here for =)
[04:56] <Lars_G> really? ;)
[04:56] <Lars_G> was it you who helped me with xorg the other day?
[04:57] <mkoehler> I was around, maybe helping a little
[04:57] <mkoehler> the bulk of it wasn't me
[04:57] <billybigrigger> wow
[04:57] <billybigrigger> something odd was goin on there
[04:57] <mkoehler> yeah, lost terminal?
[04:58] <mkoehler> what irc client are you running?
[04:58] <wastrel> it says 2 hours left
[04:58] <billybigrigger> who me?
[04:58] <billybigrigger> mkoehler, ?
[04:58] <mkoehler> yeah
[04:58] <billybigrigger> now, xchat...earlier in the terminal irssi
[04:58] <mkoehler> ah
[04:59] <Lars_G> mkoehler: Wanted to tell anyone who was that my /etc/hal dir is almost empty, so I'll start looking at init.d scripts instead and try to find out there
[04:59] <wastrel> yeah i was going to say metacity --replace
[04:59] <wastrel> but i was too busy reading blogs
[04:59] <billybigrigger> wastrel, it worked, for about enough time for me to type out that it worked :P
[04:59] <mkoehler> ok, I don't know what went on later in the convo, because I don't remember talking about that though
[04:59] <mkoehler> sounds good though
[04:59] <billybigrigger> then it all went fubar'd
[05:00] <mkoehler> well yeah obviously it's crashing
[05:00] <wastrel> hrm
[05:00] <wastrel> maybe i shouldnt upgrade to koala
[05:00] <mkoehler> why don't you use pastebinit to post some runtime info
[05:00] <billybigrigger> ahh it's good times man
[05:00]  * mkoehler nods
[05:02]  * billybigrigger gulps the rest of his BLL
[05:03]  * mkoehler goes to the fridge
[05:03] <billybigrigger> hehe
[05:04] <billybigrigger> partay
[05:07]  * wastrel upgrades to koala
[05:12] <billybigrigger> hehe
[05:12] <billybigrigger> atta boy
[05:12] <mkoehler> haha nicely done
[05:32] <netdur> am on A4, on install wizard I have selected "Morocco French" as keyboard layout, now on GDM "Morocco" keyboard layout is selected as default, I tried to select "Morocco French" from toolbar but it really doesn't change on input there, the problem is that "Morocco" is Arabic keyboard layout... so there's no way I can log in
[05:33] <wastrel> what's a4?
[05:34] <netdur> alpha 4
[05:41] <netdur> is there a way to change keyboard layout?
[05:43] <kyanardag> hi, i installed 9.10 alpha from alternate CD.. when i ran the update manager, it';s asking me to do partial upgrade, is this normal ?
[05:43] <kyanardag> i installed alpha 4..
[05:44] <wastrel> partial upgrade what now
[05:47] <kyanardag> this is first time, i'm installing a development version.. and i was wondering if this is normal, first time i run update-manager, it's saying "not all updates can be installed"
[05:49] <netdur> is there a way create desktop user from console?
[05:51] <wastrel> useradd
[05:52] <wastrel> i'm getting a lot of dbus errors in my upgrade
[05:52] <wastrel> = NULL || !dbus_error_is_set ((dest))" failed in file dbus-errors.c line 278.
[05:52] <wastrel> This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
[06:08] <histo> okay i just bumped windows key+R and my desktop zoomed in. How do I unzoom it?
[06:19] <billybigrigger> windows+r does nothing here
[06:19] <billybigrigger> histo, are you running compiz?
[06:19] <billybigrigger> mind you i'm in xfce
[06:19] <billybigrigger> might have different keybindings
[06:20] <billybigrigger> histo, ?
[06:22] <histo> billybigrigger: figured it out someone in #ubuntu said hold windows key and scroll down with mouse wheel fixed it
[06:23] <histo> billybigrigger: its a default zoom key here
[06:36] <MTecknology> You guys have any idea what kinda of project I could do? It needs to be related to computers in some way or another. I'm not sure about all the specifics exactly. I considered trying to make an incredibly fast hashing algorythm but it seems that this isn't feasible for the time I have available to finish the project. I really do want it to be extremely impressive though. Any ideas?
[06:37] <billybigrigger> tried posting those sorts of questions to the mailing lists?
[06:45] <MTecknology> billybigrigger: which one should I post it too?
[06:45] <MTecknology> billybigrigger: I'm not really sure where it's appropriate
[07:41] <Lademord> QUESTION: What is the default password on a karmic LiveCD? I get asked for it when I try to mount the local partition from the LiveCD
[07:56] <unksi> Lademord: afaik its empty
[07:56] <unksi> so just press enter
[08:00] <Lademord> unksi will try
[08:18] <tanath> trying to upgrade firefox has borked aptitude & apt-get: ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/apparmor.d/disable/usr.bin.firefox-3.5': No such file or directory
[08:18] <tanath> i don't have apparmor nor anything related to it installed, so why is this happening?
[08:58] <JanC> hm, anybody have issues with printing in karmic?
[09:11] <Polterge|st> Karmic needs a script where it can check your system for errors and can fix them based upon knowing what needs to be done
[09:13] <Polterge|st> that involves an AI type script that already knows the directory structure of everything
[09:13] <Polterge|st> I know what needs to be done
[09:13] <Polterge|st> if I knew coding I would do it
[09:14] <Polterge|st> If someone in here will work with me on that stuff some time I might be able to help
[09:14] <Polterge|st> I'm creative and have alot of good ideas. The only thing I lack is knowing the directory structure of where everything is stored in Debian
[09:14] <Polterge|st> if I know that I would be able to master Ubunt Karmic
[09:15] <Polterge|st> it all cames down to environment variable paths
[09:15] <Polterge|st> comes*
[09:21] <yannis__> hey guys, i have a problem, i installed ubuntu 9.10 and my nvidia driver. But i have a little problem, the resolution of the pc is auto and it can't be change. What can i do?
[09:23] <Polterge|st> I have noticed the GDM on Karmic is sloooooooow
[09:23] <Polterge|st> I wish they would fix that
[09:24] <Polterge|st> I mean I like the design and concepts and all
[09:24] <Polterge|st> I just want them to speed it up
[09:24] <Polterge|st> I just want them to speed it up
[09:25] <Polterge|st> sorry double post
[10:19] <cwillu> Polterge|st, the gdm in karmic doubles as the boot splash
[10:21] <Polterge|st> nice
[10:21] <Polterge|st> hehe
[10:21] <cwillu> that said, some of the interaction itself is a bit slower than it should be
[10:22] <cwillu> I'd expect it's under active development still, and so I'd also expect it to be addressed fairly quickly
[10:32] <zorael> Where is asoundconf in Karmic?
[10:39] <Polterge|st> yeah there are no sound events
[10:39] <Polterge|st> I mean I can play quake live in it
[10:39] <Polterge|st> and it has sound
[10:39] <Polterge|st> but that's flash
[10:40] <Polterge|st> other than that there is no sound really
[10:40] <Polterge|st> although apturl is broken on my system
[10:40] <arand> Polterge|st: flash? really?
[10:40] <Polterge|st> it is not fully installed but not removed
[10:40] <Polterge|st> arand yeah the Quake Live plugin is flash
[10:40] <Polterge|st> it works flawlessly for me on my 1.2 ghz system
[10:41] <Polterge|st> I just got back from a gig with my band so I am a bit buzzed but when I am not buzzed I will see if I can get some help manually removing all of apturl
[10:41] <Polterge|st> and I mean all settings and everything
[10:41] <Polterge|st> and not with apt-get --purge
[10:41] <arand> Polterge|st: You just mean the we interface then? Or do they use flash for audion ingame?
[10:41] <Polterge|st> and not aptitude --purge
[10:41] <Polterge|st> because those won't remove it
[10:41] <Polterge|st> arand in game
[10:42] <Polterge|st> I mean that works fairly well and all
[10:42] <Polterge|st> it isn't too choppy
[10:42] <Polterge|st> now I dunno about the sound system in Gnome
[10:42] <Polterge|st> it is a hack version of Gnome for testing things out and making improvements so now is the time if any to turn in suggestions for improvements on the next Gnome
[10:42] <Polterge|st> I read up on it
[10:42] <Polterge|st> :P
[10:43] <Polterge|st> that is what apport is
[10:43] <Polterge|st> it is to give bug reports
[10:43] <Polterge|st> to make suggestions to the coders so that they can make things better
[10:43] <Polterge|st> although without apturl I can't even use apport and cannot set anything up at all on my system
[10:44] <Polterge|st> I would honestly remove apturl and apturl-common and redo them from scratch and then reconfigure every package on the system with dpkg
[10:44] <Polterge|st> and redo the setup
[10:44] <Polterge|st> then I would be doing alright
[10:44] <Polterge|st> can't do it until I fix that package though
[10:44] <Polterge|st> I will do it later
[10:44] <Polterge|st> bbiab
[10:51] <tgpraveen> !pulsesrc
[10:51] <tgpraveen> !pulse
[10:52] <mac_v> !info pulsesrc
[10:52] <tgpraveen> am guessing its in another name
[10:59] <Polterge|st> I have nothing against Ubuntu but sometimes I think of backing my stuff up and migrating to sidux
[11:00] <Polterge|st> it is rolling release
[11:00] <Polterge|st> and it is Debian sid
[11:00] <Polterge|st> just rolling release and bleeding edge
[11:00] <Polterge|st> although it is probably pretty decent anyway because they are selling Cd's of it on distrowatch
[11:00] <Polterge|st> likely it is decent
[11:00] <Polterge|st> and since it is Debian based I am sure it is good
[11:00] <Polterge|st> it is just more up to date
[11:01] <Polterge|st> kind of the way Gentoo is
[11:01] <Polterge|st> as soon as some code is released
[11:01] <Polterge|st> it allows you to update
[11:01] <Polterge|st> it is right on top of those updates with apps and programs and components of Debian
[11:02] <Polterge|st> I would say either Ubuntu, Sidux, or Arch if you are not a newb
[11:02] <Polterge|st> I'm not really a newb to linux but kind of new to Debian based distros
[11:02] <Polterge|st> I used Slackware and Redhat for the longest time
[11:03] <Polterge|st> anyway be patient with me because I'm new to the apt-utils, aptitude, and apt-get sort of
[11:04] <Polterge|st> not entirely new but new enough to not know how to manually remove newly "half installed" stuff and new enough to not know the path of where every setting is kept when something is installed and how to manually remove stuff by hand without a script or program
[11:04] <Polterge|st> there are people that know how to do it I am sure but I do not "yet"
[11:04] <Polterge|st> but I am teachable so anyone who knows how if you get a chance you might show me some time
[11:05] <arand> Hmm, my thing with distros is really "How much will I need to configure it until it works like I want it", and so far it seems ubuntu is the best bet...
[11:05] <Polterge|st> I need to completely remove apturl-common and apturl from my system and the aptitude --purge or apt-get --purge does not work
[11:05] <Polterge|st> it is because of apturl
[11:05] <Polterge|st> if I could just fix this the rest of my system would work
[11:06] <Polterge|st> I got rid of most of my error messages the other day but it is giving me an error now about bad Exec format and unable to run postscript
[11:06] <arand> But is apturl really that much except a command for apt-get to fetch *appname* from current repos?
[11:07] <Polterge|st> well I will put it this way arand...
[11:07] <Polterge|st> I cannot configure ANY of my packages until I fix it
[11:08] <Polterge|st> and that means updates cannot configure
[11:08] <Polterge|st> and cannot fully install
[11:08] <Polterge|st> nothing can
[11:08] <Polterge|st> and THAT is the probelm I am facing right now ... that is all that stands between me and a decently working Karmic
[11:08] <arand> And you've gone through the whole -repair broken- process?
[11:08] <hfz> hi everybody ;D
[11:08] <arand> Hullo
[11:08] <Polterge|st> tell me about the repair broken process
[11:09] <Polterge|st> I need to do it with an internet connection
[11:09] <arand> "apt-get -f install" or something like that...
[11:09] <Polterge|st> in telinit 3
[11:09] <Polterge|st> I tried that
[11:09] <Polterge|st> does not fix everything
[11:09] <Polterge|st> it won't fully remove the postscript and rest of the old apturl because it cannot interpret it
[11:10] <Polterge|st> I think it has to do with an old version of apt-url or something
[11:10] <Polterge|st> anyway I screwed up when I tried to install it
[11:10] <Polterge|st> when the person who designed the apturl update made the package they screwed up and put a period in front of the path name
[11:11] <Polterge|st> anyway I manually corrected that on my own system but then apt-get and aptitude were not aware of what I did since I did it manually
[11:11] <Polterge|st> so now I cannot use them to remove the program
[11:11] <arand> Polterge|st: so you know that it's _one_ specific package that's a nuisance? Tried apt-get remove -f pkgname ?
[11:11] <catweazle> Polterge|st: you have seen the link for a solution in the forum, why you don't use this
[11:11] <Polterge|st> hmmm
[11:11] <Polterge|st> I should try the -f
[11:11] <Polterge|st> it is apturl-common
[11:12] <Polterge|st> I dunno if it will do it but it is worth a shot
[11:12] <Polterge|st> I will show you the error if it gives me one and maybe you can tell me where to go from there
[11:12] <Polterge|st> it is updating right now
[11:12] <Polterge|st> the way I am I update a few times daily so my stuff stays pretty current
[11:13] <Polterge|st> that is really the only problem
[11:14] <catweazle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825/comments/8
[11:14] <Polterge|st> apturl cannot install because it depends on apturl-common
[11:14] <Polterge|st> and apturl-common is half installed
[11:16] <Polterge|st> I need to remove it even if it breaks something else basically
[11:16] <Polterge|st> then I will be able to fix it
[11:16] <Polterge|st> but only then since right now it isn't letting me remove it or reinstall it
[11:36] <Polt{laptop}> ok I have an idea if nobody can help me fix this http://pastebin.com/m3791cc90
[11:37] <Polt{laptop}> I am going to wait until Karmic is brand new and just reinstall it and then migrate all of my user settings and installed stuff and files I wanna back up
[11:37] <Polt{laptop}> basically my "home" folder
[11:37] <Polt{laptop}> and all of /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin
[11:38] <Polt{laptop}> and probably I can just enable the repositories and get all of the 3rd party plugins and restricted drivers and medibuntu stuff via ubuntu-tweak
[11:38] <Polt{laptop}> or something to that effect
[11:38] <catweazle> Polt{laptop}: your so stupid
[11:38] <Polt{laptop}> stop insulting people and talking shit
[11:39] <Polt{laptop}> you really have no right to look down on anyone
[11:39] <Polt{laptop}> you are not in that position
[11:39] <Polt{laptop}> I'm sorry
[11:39] <Polt{laptop}> this is the pot calling the kettle black
[11:39] <Polt{laptop}> alpha is decent and stable enough to use but my setup is broken ... I wasn't the guy who fux0red apturl's package
[11:40] <Polt{laptop}> sorry I'm not going to call that guy stupid but that isn't my fault he messed up the install path
[11:40] <Polt{laptop}> so NO I'm not stupid
[11:41] <Polt{laptop}> I just installed something setup by someone from a trusted repository and it turned out to be buggy and broke my system ( which I know is a disclaimer thing they mention but ... ) if I need to I can back up my home folder and /etc folder and and a few other things
[11:41] <Polt{laptop}> and just install brand new ... freshly and migrate my shit over
[11:41] <Polt{laptop}> and as far as I know that isn't stupid ...
[11:42] <Polt{laptop}> it is probably a much better idea than wasting my time trying to fix this for now because there is a postscript in there and a rmscript that are failing and are parts of the apturl package left in there that WILL NOT uninstall
[11:42] <Polt{laptop}> and the only way to do it is manually
[11:42] <Polt{laptop}> by hand
[11:42] <Polt{laptop}> ie> find every file and manually remove them and their mention from any config files
[11:43] <Polt{laptop}> and THEN purge it
[11:43] <Polt{laptop}> or apt-get clean
[11:43] <arand> Backup the list of installed packages, usually a good idea; look for guides...
[11:44] <Polt{laptop}> I mean I could redownload "ALL" of the packages
[11:44] <Polt{laptop}> it would be better for me to wait until it is BETA anyway
[11:44] <Polt{laptop}> my system works it just has that one broken function
[11:44] <Polt{laptop}> this way at least nothing is hurt and I can still use the system
[11:44] <Polt{laptop}> but I would need to make another ext4 partition later on
[11:44] <Polt{laptop}> and then migrate my stuff to it
[11:44] <Polt{laptop}> and that should do the trick
[11:45] <Polt{laptop}> other than that there really isn't alot I would need to do
[11:45] <Polt{laptop}> I would delete the old partition and be done with it and have a fresh install
[11:45] <Polt{laptop}> if removing this shit doesn't work I'll do that
[11:45] <Polt{laptop}> and then it WILL work
[11:45] <Polt{laptop}> I'm almost sure of it
[11:50] <o_portista17> the gnome bar applet, to control the volume, and the one to show the little bar for the laptop battery, is disabled?
[11:50] <Polt{laptop}> it was on mine too at first o_portista17
[11:50] <Polt{laptop}> I re-enabled it
[11:50] <Polt{laptop}> I think it is a gnome or python problem
[11:52] <o_portista17> i used to enable them by adding them to the Panel/Bar, but now, they disappeared
[12:08] <zorael> Where is asoundconf in Karmic? alsa-utils doesn't contain it
[12:10] <Polt{laptop}> I know nothing about this new version of Ubuntu
[12:11] <Polt{laptop}> it is totally different and I would have to locate all of its new install paths and default environment variable paths to fix my system I think since the new upgrade broke it
[12:11] <Polt{laptop}> it was really already messed up anyway though
[12:11] <Polt{laptop}> I'm contemplating installing sidux and migrating my home folder
[12:11] <Polt{laptop}> aI could reinstall everything else
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> wouldn't be a problem
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> and sidux is bleeding edge Debian
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> the most up to date and fucntional for what it is so far probably
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> it is sid
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> although it is bleeding edge sid
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> and with rolling release I think
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> which is a bit closer to what I prefer
[12:12] <Polt{laptop}> I love the concepts that Gentoo and Arch have but I do like Debian based distros
[12:13] <Rory> What time is Alpha 5 released, roughly?
[12:13] <Polt{laptop}> Rory no tellin' man
[12:13] <Polt{laptop}> I am waiting for Beta either or installing Sidux though I think
[12:13] <Polt{laptop}> I may just create another partition when beta is installed and migrate my home folder to back my stuff up
[12:13] <Polt{laptop}> and then use a fresh install and delete the old partition
[12:13] <Polt{laptop}> and then I could just extend that partition anyway
[12:13] <Rory> It's just that when I use daily, or upgrade, logging in dumps me back at GDM
[12:13] <Polt{laptop}> and merge it rather
[12:14] <Rory> and then kernel panics
[12:14] <Polt{laptop}> Rory yeah you have some type of dependency problem
[12:14] <Polt{laptop}> your system might be broken
[12:14] <Polt{laptop}> you should boot into recovery mode
[12:14] <Polt{laptop}> try to dump to a root shell prompt
[12:14] <Polt{laptop}> and then try reconfiguring all of your packages via dpkg
[12:15] <Polt{laptop}> if that doesn't work you might consider doing what I am doing
[12:16] <Polt{laptop}> I am considering a fresh installl and migration of old settings and deleting the old partition and doing it that way since the current one is broken
[12:16] <Polt{laptop}> I could just wait until Karmic is complete or something
[12:16] <Polt{laptop}> I've considered actually installing Sid and trying it for awhile and doing that when Karmic is final if I really like it
[12:16] <Polt{laptop}> either way it would get installed to Grub probably
[12:16] <Polt{laptop}> and all of the kernels would be there
[12:16] <Polt{laptop}> I could boot into either that way
[12:17] <Polt{laptop}> and when Karmic was fixed if I liked it better I could keep it
[12:17] <Polt{laptop}> and if not then I could keep sidux
[12:17] <Polt{laptop}> but either way my system would be functional
[12:46] <lucas_> hey
[12:47] <lucas_> i am using karmic koala
[12:47] <lucas_> when i use jaunty ubuntu see my ipod touch as digital cam
[12:47] <lucas_> but now karmic koala doest see anything
[12:47] <lucas_> what can i do
[12:48] <Polt{laptop}> yeah Karmic is buggy
[12:48] <Polt{laptop}> it is in alpha stage
[12:48] <Polt{laptop}> everyone should realize this
[12:48] <Polt{laptop}> I would wait to install it at least until Beta
[12:48] <Polt{laptop}> Beta 2
[12:48] <Polt{laptop}> or Beta 3 maybe
[12:48] <Pici> !bug
[12:48] <Polt{laptop}> I upgraded to Karmic and it broke my system
[12:49] <Polt{laptop}> it still boots into X and all but apturl cannot be removed automatically with the apt utils
[12:49] <Polt{laptop}> I need to do it all by hand
[12:49] <Polt{laptop}> since the remove script isn't working right and is returning errors
[12:49] <ubuntistas12> how is karmic so far?
[12:49] <Polt{laptop}> and there is some manually installed stuff
[12:49] <Polt{laptop}> I'm sure it would be great if I could fix these two packages
[12:49] <Polt{laptop}> apturl and apturl-common
[12:49] <hggdh> Polt{laptop}, still with the problem you pastebinned?
[12:50] <Pici> Polt{laptop}: Did you file a bug for the issue?
[12:50] <Polt{laptop}> although still a little buggy but I had a good system to begin with
[12:50] <Polt{laptop}> Pici it has already been filed
[12:50] <Pici> (I just got here, so I apoligize if this has already been covered)
[12:50] <Polt{laptop}> there is a solution but the solution doesn't work for me until I can fullly remove aptutils
[12:50] <Polt{laptop}> apturl rather
[12:50] <Polt{laptop}> not aptutils
[12:51] <Polt{laptop}> I need to totally remove aptutils and its dependencies and then reinstall python central and python-lite
[12:51] <Polt{laptop}> if I did that I could probably reinstall all of the other packages and get them all working
[12:51] <Polt{laptop}> probably could reconfigure them with dpkg
[12:51] <lucas_> no way to get back jaunty
[12:51] <Polt{laptop}> nope
[12:51] <Polt{laptop}> not as far as I know
[12:51] <Polt{laptop}> well there is one way
[12:51] <lucas_> hmm
[12:51] <lucas_> what is the way
[12:51] <Polt{laptop}> either you can use aptitude and revert maybe
[12:52] <ubuntistas12> lucas how i karmic so far?
[12:52] <Polt{laptop}> or possibly change your repositories
[12:52] <hggdh> no. There is no supported way for reverting to a previous release
[12:52] <lucas_> ubuntistas12,  i dont uderstand sorryü
[12:52] <lucas_> karmic is so buggy
[12:52] <lucas_> by th way
[12:53] <ubuntistas12> how is it's perfomance so far i mean lucas wake up
[12:53] <lucas_> karmic gives two errors about kernel
[12:53] <lucas_> ha sorry
[12:53] <lucas_> performance is good
[12:53] <lucas_> but is so buggy
[12:53] <ubuntistas12> ok
[12:54] <lucas_> all program that is default to ubuntu produce bugs
[12:54] <hggdh> lucas_, Yes, it is buggy. It is part of the game. Everything is updated.
[12:54] <lucas_> okey
[12:55] <lucas_> will i ask one question
[12:55] <lucas_> when i am in jaunty ubuntu see my ipod touch as digital cam but karmic doesnt mount ipod touc in any ways
[12:55] <lucas_> why is that
[12:55] <hggdh> because it got broken
[12:56] <lucas_> but i install winxp with virtual box
[12:56] <lucas_> winxp doesnt see my ipod touch
[12:56] <Pici> lucas_: Have you looked to see if there has been a bug filed for this issue? Or have you filed one yourself?
[12:56] <lucas_> this can be reason of that i mean ubuntu doesnt mount ipod touch
[12:57] <lucas_> i dont know how to fill about issue
[12:57] <lucas_> when my system gives a bug , launch pad page opens
[12:58] <hggdh> lucas_, what does winxp have to do with it? You said Linux did not mount the ipod
[12:59] <hggdh> or are you using the ipod under Win XP, under VirtualBox?
[13:00] <lucas_> yeah
[13:00] <lucas_> i want it actually because i search no way to sync ipod with ubuntu
[13:00] <lucas_> ipod touch*
[13:00] <hggdh> this virtualbox, is it the OSE or the Sun restricted version?
[13:01] <lucas_> i installed winxp bu using virtual box and i said i installed i tunes under winxp then synx ipod touc
[13:01] <lucas_> i installed from virtualbox.org
[13:02] <hggdh> have you used virtualbox before to access the ipod?
[13:02] <ravimaddula> hi my package manager is not working at all
[13:03] <lucas_> i use vbox to boot winxp
[13:03] <hggdh> lucas_, I know how vobx works
[13:03] <gnomefreak> ravimaddula: define not working
[13:03] <hggdh> have you used virtualbox before to access the ipod?
[13:04] <ravimaddula> during installation of skypee  it it occured
[13:04] <lucas_> yes
[13:04] <gnomefreak> ravimaddula: it? what is it
[13:04] <hggdh> lucas_, before you moved to karmic?
[13:05] <lucas_> ha sorry
[13:05]  * gnomefreak wonders what upstream vbox has to do with karmic support
[13:05] <lucas_> no
[13:05] <ravimaddula> unknown error
[13:05] <gnomefreak> ravimaddula: can you please post the error to pastebin
[13:05] <Pici> ravimaddula: It literally said 'unknown error'?
[13:06]  * hggdh wonders too
[13:06] <ravimaddula> its saying "reinstall the pakage but i cant find the archeive "
[13:06] <lucas_> winxp doesnt se ipod touch because of ubuntu` error
[13:06] <gnomefreak> i suggest moving the vbox topic to #ubuntu-offtopic as it is not karmic related
[13:07] <AnAnt> Hello, did anyone run into this issue LP 414795 ? Anyone knows if there's a solution/workaround for it ?
[13:07] <Pici> -offtopic isn't a support channel.
[13:07] <lucas_> sorry
[13:07] <ravimaddula> when iam trying to install python skypee
[13:07] <gnomefreak> ravimaddula: that sounds like a sources.list problem but we need alot more info like the sources.list file
[13:07] <hggdh> lucas_, we have a problem here: we -- Ubuntu -- do *NOT* support VirtualBox complete, only the OSE version. And the OSE will not work with USB.
[13:08] <ravimaddula> wait i wil type the full description
[13:08] <gnomefreak> Pici: upstream vbox as it is not related to Karmic and we do not support it where would you suggest it be taken
[13:08] <Pici> gnomefreak: #vbox
[13:08] <Pici> Thats their official support channel
[13:08] <Polt{laptop}> I think I am just going to burn sidux to DVD in case and wait until Karmic is finalized and install a brand new coy side by side with my other partition and migrate my stuff over
[13:08] <Polt{laptop}> and then get rid of the old partition
[13:08] <gnomefreak> Pici: good point i didnt know that was there. ok so everyone with the vbox topic please move it to #vbox
[13:08] <Polt{laptop}> that seems like the best plan
[13:09] <Polt{laptop}> it would be a brand new install
[13:09] <Polt{laptop}> and if it goes awry I go to sidux
[13:09] <Polt{laptop}> more bleeding edge and still Debian sid
[13:09] <Pici> lucas_: Did Ubuntu itself mount your ipod in Jaunty?
[13:09] <Polt{laptop}> just more of the choice of KDE over Gnome
[13:09] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: please dont rant in here
[13:09] <Polt{laptop}> bleh
[13:10] <Polt{laptop}> nobody is helping me whatda they expect
[13:10] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: you have not stated a problem but you are ranting about changing OS's
[13:10] <Polt{laptop}> I have several times
[13:10] <lucas_> Pici,
[13:10] <Polt{laptop}> I cannot uninstall apturl and apt-get won't do it
[13:10] <Polt{laptop}> neither will dpkg
[13:10] <lucas_> it mounts as digital cam
[13:10] <Polt{laptop}> or aptitude
[13:11] <lucas_> Pici,  it mounts as digital cam
[13:11] <Polt{laptop}> I have to manually find all of the paths for where it would say it is installed
[13:11] <Polt{laptop}> and then manually remove all of that stuff
[13:11] <Pici> lucas_: Does it do that in Karmic?
[13:11] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: newest apurl fixed a few things please make sur enad update
[13:11] <lucas_> no
[13:11] <Polt{laptop}> I tried gnomefreak but cannot
[13:11] <lucas_> Pici,  it doesnt mount ipod touch
[13:11] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: what is the error?
[13:11] <Polt{laptop}> it cannot configure any downloaded packages until I remove that
[13:12] <AnAnt> Polt{laptop}: tried apt-get -f install
[13:12] <Polt{laptop}> yep tried it
[13:12] <Polt{laptop}> didn't work
[13:12] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: what version of apurl?
[13:12] <Polt{laptop}> plz ignore the failed apt-get stuff in this ... I was a bit buzzed earlier, just got back from a gig with my band
[13:12] <Pici> Can someone suggest a package for lucas_ to run ubuntu-bug against so that he can log a bug for his ipod issue?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> ubuntu4 fixes the install dpkg problem
[13:12] <Polt{laptop}> http://pastebin.com/m3791cc90
[13:12] <ravimaddula> an error occured please run package manger frm right clik menu or apt-get in a terminalto seewhat is wrong .the error message was "unknown error'>'(e:thepackage python-skype needsto be reinstalled,buti cant find archive for it)this usually means tha ur installed pakage has unmet dependencies
[13:13] <hggdh> Pici, devicekit?
[13:13] <Polt{laptop}> my problem is that apturl cannot install because it depends upon apturl-common and apturl-common I think is not installed and not removed
[13:13] <Polt{laptop}> it is in a suspended state
[13:13] <Polt{laptop}> and kind of half installed
[13:13] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: that was fixed in version *ubuntu4
[13:13] <Pici> hggdh: Probably a good place to start (at least to get the rest of the debugging data)
[13:13] <Polt{laptop}> therefore I need to remove all of its settings
[13:13] <Polt{laptop}> I tried to update earlier and it didn't work
[13:14] <Pici> lucas_: please run: ubuntu-bug devicekit    and enter your issue so that a bug will be filed.
[13:14] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: you added package name to install -f command please type it the way i do   sudo apt-get -f install
[13:14] <Polt{laptop}> yep
[13:14] <Polt{laptop}> tried that tooo
[13:14] <Polt{laptop}> nothing seems to work
[13:14] <Polt{laptop}> it seems like I will for sure have to manually remove all of the apturl stuff
[13:14] <Polt{laptop}> by hand
[13:15] <gnomefreak> :~$ apt-get -f install apturl is wrong and that is all i see.
[13:15] <Polt{laptop}> settings and all
[13:15] <Pici> !enter | Polt{laptop}
[13:15] <Polt{laptop}> no haggling plz
[13:15] <Polt{laptop}> I am asking for help not a lecture
[13:15] <Pici> Polt{laptop}: Its very hard to follow your question if you're pressing enter every three words
[13:15] <hggdh> ah well. Here we go.
[13:15] <Polt{laptop}> well I respond fast
[13:15] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: still have to abide by the rules of the channels
[13:15] <Polt{laptop}> I understand
[13:17] <gnomefreak> ah that is different error. your error is due to package state almost like you interupted dpkg. but without knowing what happened you can try using aptitude to fix it
[13:17] <ravimaddula> HOW
[13:18] <gnomefreak> ravimaddula: hold on asec
[13:18] <Pici> ravimaddula: Can you use a pastebin to post your error instead of transcribing it by hand to IRC?
[13:18] <Pici> !pastebin
[13:19] <gnomefreak> ravimaddula: do you have the multiverse repo enabled?
[13:19] <gnomefreak> it installs here just fine
[13:19] <ravimaddula> i dont know eactly iam a nebie
[13:19] <lucas_> Pici,  ubuntu-bug device kit you mean ubuntu mailling list
[13:20] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-bug devicekit i cant remember if there is a - or if it is one word
[13:20] <hggdh> ravimaddula, why are you running a non-released version of Ubuntu if you are starting on it?
[13:20] <gnomefreak> device and kit has no space
[13:20] <ravimaddula> iam trying for voip thats y
[13:21] <gnomefreak> ravimaddula: you will have better luck using jaunty
[13:21] <gnomefreak> karmic is far from release still
[13:21] <Polt{laptop}> ravimaddula just wait until it goes beta
[13:21] <Polt{laptop}> that is probably what I will do
[13:22] <ravimaddula> how long it will took
[13:22] <Polt{laptop}> I am contemplating doing a fresh install and backing up important stuff and copying it over so that everything will run as smooth as possible
[13:22] <hggdh> beta is not released. Beta is alpha with a lot of the issues resolved, but *still* not released. Use alpha or beta on your own risk.
[13:22] <Polt{laptop}> ravimaddula you will have to look at the release schedule
[13:22] <gnomefreak> beta will still give new users problems
[13:22] <Polt{laptop}> beta is more stable than alpha though
[13:22] <Polt{laptop}> usually by that time alot of things are fixed
[13:22]  * Twigaathy recommends sticking to Jaunty until Karmic is actually released rather than moaning about brokenness in an alpha :)
[13:23] <Polt{laptop}> yeah I would say stick to Jaunty for now
[13:23]  * hggdh agrees
[13:23] <gnomefreak> releasefinal relfin eis ~ cot. 29th
[13:23] <ravimaddula> ok do u have any idean is there any voip can i use
[13:23] <Polt{laptop}> the final release will be really nice but beta is your next best bet if you truly want to try Karmic
[13:23] <ravimaddula> like gtalk and yarhoomessenge
[13:23] <Polt{laptop}> I do not recommend updating to alpha right now
[13:23] <hggdh> ravimaddula, skype on medibuntu, for example (Jaunty)
[13:24] <gnomefreak> final releease is around oct 29th
[13:24] <Polt{laptop}> yep
[13:25] <Polt{laptop}> this all has me contemplating trying out sidux on my laptop
[13:25] <Polt{laptop}> I dunno if I want to yet but it is a live DVD
[13:25] <Polt{laptop}> and both Ubuntu's next version and Sidux are based upon Sid
[13:26] <Polt{laptop}> one is just more bleeding edge while the other is more stable
[13:26] <Polt{laptop}> although I have heard that is not always the case so that is a matter of preference I guess
[13:26] <ravimaddula> no package is installing now
[13:26] <hggdh> Polt{laptop}, there are many versions on Linux around. You can use any you like, but *please* do not complain about alpha versions. Either help or be quiet.
[13:27] <Polt{laptop}> hggdh I think you are getting me wrong
[13:28] <Polt{laptop}> you are misinterpreting me
[13:28] <Polt{laptop}> I am telling it like it is ... it isn't a complaint
[13:28] <Polt{laptop}> alpha isn't stable
[13:28] <Polt{laptop}> and I'm not complaining
[13:28] <Polt{laptop}> I'm just saying ... alpha will probably break your system
[13:28] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: please stop hitting enter so often
[13:28] <Polt{laptop}> Jaunty is nice, I used it for awhile
[13:28] <hggdh> Polt{laptop}, yes, you are ranting. Yes, alpha will probably break our systems. This is well-known. This is expected.
[13:29] <Polt{laptop}> ok number 2... nobody in here is sitting up on some great big white horse. I know you guys have some authority and perhaps it is your channel but no judgemental comments plz. I am trying to be patient with you so be patient in return
[13:29] <Polt{laptop}> thank you
[13:29] <Polt{laptop}> don't be trying to look down upon others
[13:30] <Polt{laptop}> I'm just quick to respond and I wish someone could help me and I'm not complaining I just realize that talking is what channels are for and nobody is up right now so I need to talk until people do wake up or get the idea and can help
[13:30] <Polt{laptop}> I using irc as it was designed
[13:30] <Polt{laptop}> am*
[13:30] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: no one is but ranting about moving to another dist. is not related to karmic. if you want a very little broken install use Jaunty
[13:30] <Polt{laptop}> well it isn't that I am ranting or saying it negatively
[13:30] <Polt{laptop}> it is just that I am curious about sidux because it is also based upon sid and so is Karmic
[13:31] <Polt{laptop}> and I want to see what the main differences are... no Ubuntu hating going on here
[13:31] <Polt{laptop}> I love Ubuntu personally
[13:31] <Polt{laptop}> I just am curious about sidux
[13:31] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: we do not have anythiong to do with sidux try #ubuntu-offtopic for ideas on that
[13:32] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: either way it is NOT support related and this channel is support for Karmic only
[13:32] <Polt{laptop}> honestly I really would like to fix my Ubuntu install without waiting for a final version to be released and doing a fresh install and migration of the /home folder or something
[13:34] <Polt{laptop}> fixing it seems like an easier solution and I know people are saying they are getting karmic to work fine for them in Alpha for now if their system already works but that error is what broke my system so not that I am complaining but until anyone can help me with this prob I am forced to wait for the final version of Karmic I think and then just fresh install parallel to my other partition of it and migrate stuff over
[13:34] <gnomefreak> you really shouldnt use alpha if you can not fix issues by yourself since you will find not everyone is around that can help at times. why dont you try filing a bug report on the problem you are having if it is Ubuntu released it will be helpful
[13:34] <Polt{laptop}> that seems like the best idea so far
[13:34] <Polt{laptop}> gnomefreak well here is the problem... I'm no dummy. I can fix plenty of things by myself but I don't think most of the really advanced people in here would probably be able to fix this
[13:35] <Polt{laptop}> which is why I keep asking because I am guessing someone can fix it but I just haven't met them yet
[13:35] <Polt{laptop}> if you were on my system trying to fix it I'm not saying you could not fix it but it is doubtful
[13:35] <Polt{laptop}> no offense
[13:35] <hggdh> perhaps yes, perhaps no. But you are trying to install the ubuntu4 version, which *should* have fixed it.
[13:35] <Polt{laptop}> yes and it won't install
[13:35] <hggdh> and still fails for you.
[13:36] <Polt{laptop}> hence the solution doesn't work
[13:36] <hggdh> ergo, a bug is warranted
[13:36] <Polt{laptop}> and that solution is the solution ie> we have a loop of problems here
[13:36] <Polt{laptop}> and not that I'm complaining but my idea is seeming pretty decent for the time being as it will resolve the problem

[13:36] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: last comment by you about your problem was .:08:15:03:. <    Polt{laptop} > settings and all that was over 20 minutes ago the rest of time you have been offtopic
[13:37] <Polt{laptop}> well I mention the problem and am told the same thing over and over and I've already said that stuff doesn't work
[13:37] <Polt{laptop}> I've tried it
[13:37] <hggdh> please open a bug. Have you done so?
[13:38] <Polt{laptop}> tried that
[13:38] <Polt{laptop}> apport won't even work
[13:38] <Polt{laptop}> it crashes
[13:38] <Polt{laptop}> it is all a dependency prob
[13:38] <Polt{laptop}> and a dpkg prob
[13:38] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: go to launchpad and file it as normal however apport not working sounds like you have a system problem not a package problem
[13:38] <Polt{laptop}> and that is causing a python prob most likely
[13:39] <Polt{laptop}> gnomefreak : exactly
[13:39] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: sudo aptitude upgrade   pastebin the command and output
[13:39] <Polt{laptop}> this is what I've been trying to say
[13:39] <hggdh> manually open one, and upload /var/log/apt/term.log, and /var/log/dpkg.log
[13:39] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: than you need to fix the state your packages are in. this is something you did not Ubuntu did.
[13:39] <Polt{laptop}> yes
[13:40] <Polt{laptop}> I tried to fix a package that was previously messed up from the installer
[13:40] <Polt{laptop}> and it messed up the system
[13:40] <Polt{laptop}> and now I cannot remove it
[13:41] <gnomefreak> Polt{laptop}: than there is nothing we can do for it. start with filing a bug but if you dont know what packages you touched (tried to fix) and what else happened not much anyone can do
[13:41] <Polt{laptop}> yeah that is what I was guessing also
[13:41] <Polt{laptop}> ok will try to do so
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:51] <knix_> i am using 9.10, and wanted to know if anyone knew how I can get my ipod touch to work.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> knix_, join #ubuntu+1 for 9.10
[13:53] <Pici> BluesKaj: psst
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hehe
[13:53] <hggdh> knix_, it seems last updates broke something there, we just had another complaining about it
[13:53] <lucas_> hey
[13:53] <BluesKaj> oops /me gulps more coffee to wake up :)
[13:53] <knix_> im not complaining, I just want it to work
[13:53] <lucas_> how can i report my ipod touch issue
[13:54] <knix_> BluesKaj: I thought I am in #ubuntu+1
[13:54] <lucas_> i was in jaunty ubunu mounts ipod touch as digital cam not karmic doesnt mount anything
[13:54] <lucas_> pls suggest something
[13:54] <BluesKaj> knix_, you are , i'm still not awake yet :)
[13:54] <knix_> ;p;
[13:54] <lucas_> i can ffind ubuntu-bug device kit
[13:54] <knix_> lol
[13:54] <Pici> 08:14:06 <Pici> lucas_: please run: ubuntu-bug devicekit    and enter your issue so that a bug will be filed.
[13:54] <hggdh> for both knix_ and lucas_ : please open a bug: "ubuntu-bug devicekit", on a terminal
[13:55] <hggdh> lucas_, there is no space in devicekit
[13:55] <lucas_> Pici,  i dont find the exact place of ubuntu-bug device kit
[13:55] <lucas_> i wrote this google then i see some maillling list
[13:55] <knix_> hggdh: alright, done, know what, send the report?
[13:55] <lucas_> ha
[13:56] <lucas_> sorry
[13:56] <hggdh> knix_, yes, please, and explain what is going on
[13:56] <lucas_> ha sorry
[13:56] <knix_> kk, ty
[13:56] <hggdh> it is actually good if both open a bug each
[13:58] <knix_> well I do know that I couldn't get my ipod touch to work with 9.04 either
[13:58] <knix_> so that's why I moved up to 9.10 :(
[14:00] <hggdh> heh
[14:00] <lucas_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit/+bug/423693
[14:01] <Pici> lucas_: ubuntu-bug is a terminal command, you need to open the terminal and type the command that we gave you
[14:01] <lucas_> yes
[14:02] <lucas_> sorry i make a bug report
[14:02] <hggdh> knix_, you do not have devicekit installed?
[14:02] <lucas_> how can i know the answer
[14:02] <MrSmith> Hi. What's used for the graphical bootscreen? usplash or plymouth?
[14:02] <knix_> hggdh: it comes up, so I would assume so
[14:02] <hggdh> oh, sorry, not knix_.lucas_
[14:03] <hggdh> darn, I am late. I am late, I am late, I am awfully late.
[14:03] <knix_> well if there is already a bug generated for this issue, then I won't waste my time
[14:04] <knix_> but ty for the help
[14:05] <knix_> lucas_: so what is your problem?  can't use ipod correct?
[14:13] <lucas_> hggh
[14:13] <lucas_> when i try tı install devicekit, try to remoıve devicekit-power
[14:13] <lucas_> gnome-power-manager
[14:13] <lucas_> indicator-applet-session
[14:13] <lucas_> indicator-session
[14:13] <lucas_> ubuntu-desktop
[14:14] <lucas_> sorry
[14:14] <lucas_> knix_,
[14:14] <lucas_> karmic doesnt see ipod touch
[14:14] <knix_> it see's mine as  photos
[14:15] <lucas_> when , am in jaunty it sees as digital cam
[14:15] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, does anybody know how to get Icons for groups in the applications menu?
[14:15] <lucas_> i update to karmic and now it sees nothing
[14:17] <PolitikerNEU> hav e found it
[14:17] <knix_> lucas_: try installing ipod-conveinance  or something like that
[14:19] <lucas_> okey
[14:20] <lucas_> i will install
[14:20] <wastrel> i upgraded to koala
[14:20] <knix_> wastrel: congrats
[14:21] <BluesKaj> I'm using wodim to erase a cdrw , after mounting the /dev/cdrw , 'wodim fast' outputs this: Cannot open SCSI driver!.. Strange cuz I was able to burn an ISO file yesterday after updates
[14:21] <knix_> so did  I , and it is buggy as h3ll
[14:21] <PolitikerNEU> But I got another problem - like in fedora: konversation is always in fullscreen mode, a message from metacity: Window manager warning: Treating resize request of legacy application 0x3400072 (#ubuntu-de) as a fullscreen request
[14:21] <lucas_> okey
[14:21] <lucas_> now it ses i have a different problem now
[14:21] <knix_> lucas_: yuppers
[14:23] <CyberCr33p> do we expect alpha5 today?
[14:24] <IdleOne> we were until you asked but now it has been pushed back a week
[14:24] <IdleOne> thanks a lot!
[14:24] <IdleOne> :)
[14:24] <CyberCr33p> lol
[14:24] <CyberCr33p> ok I just found it
[14:24] <CyberCr33p> but I don't tell you
[14:24] <CyberCr33p> :D
[14:25] <CyberCr33p> it will be between 19:30 and 20:30 london time I believe
[14:26] <CyberCr33p> so 21:30 22:30 in my country
[14:29] <knix_> how can we upgrade to alpha 5?   Do a update-manager -d?
[14:32] <richardcavell> Have all the sound bugs been worked out yet?
[14:34] <knix_> will it automagically upgrade to alpha 5, or do I have to manually do it?
[14:38] <CyberCr33p> I run update-manager -d
[14:38] <CyberCr33p> and it shows
[14:38] <CyberCr33p> a new version exist
[14:38] <CyberCr33p> 9.10
[14:38] <CyberCr33p> so I believe it will wor
[14:38] <CyberCr33p> work
[14:40] <knix_> CyberCr33p: ty
[14:41] <Pici> update-manager -d is only needed when you want to move from one release to the next development release. An alpha is just a snapshot of the state of the repositories at a predetermined time.  Just keep yourself updated like normal and you'll be there.
[14:41] <Pici> !final
[14:41] <knix_> Pici: TY also
[14:41] <CyberCr33p> I am now on alpha 4
[14:42] <CyberCr33p> and I can't upgrade some packages
[14:42] <CyberCr33p> it says "partial upgrade"
[14:42] <CyberCr33p> I believe when alpha 5 released I will be able to upgrade all of them
[14:43] <knix_> how can you tell what version of alpha you are running?
[14:45] <CyberCr33p> ok now I see new packages
[14:47] <hggdh> you cannot, really.
[14:47] <Pici> knix_: You don't, an alpha is a abstract way of referring to the archives at a specific point in time
[14:47] <hggdh> you installed alpha3, then you are at least alpha3. If you have been running it since the start, difficult to say
[14:54] <funkyHat> Is alpha 5 still due to be released at some point today?
[14:56] <knix_> I sure hope so
[15:06] <MrSmith> Hi. What's used for the graphical bootscreen? usplash or plymouth?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Not sure.. :) they tend to change that a lot. Ive not really heard it mentioned what its using this tim,e
[15:06] <knix_> anyone here running 9.10 netbook remix
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> I tried the Kubuntu netbook remix... and.. err.. dident like it. :)
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> MrSmith:  i dont find a Plymouth package or any that even have that term in them.. in synaptic
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> MrSmith:  seems to be using Usplash
[15:09] <funkyHat> It's not usplash or plymouth
[15:09] <funkyHat> but I can't remember what it is called :)
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> Usplash is installed here according to synaptic
[15:10] <hggdh> xsplash?
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> !info xsplash
[15:11] <hggdh> I do not think we use plymouth (not even if it is in the repos), but there is a work-in-progress for xsplash plus usplash
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> Oh Joy.. lets load up X to load up X !;)
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> optional... it says...
[15:11] <hggdh> yes. The idea is speed up (eventually)
[15:11] <funkyHat> Dr_Willis: no, it is the same X
[15:11]  * Dr_Willis tends to disable everyting  with splasstyff
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> right.. so now when the x drivers fail.. :) ya wont even see a splas screen.
[15:12] <funkyHat> Dr_Willis: what is the point in a splash screen if X isn't working?
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> We need X in the kernel! :)
[15:12] <hggdh> you will. It should fall back to usplash
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> whats the point of a splash screen. i wonder..
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> Then again.. 9.10 boots SO much faster now  i blink and its booted. it seems
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> My grub delay is longer then the boot up time
[15:13] <hggdh> well, to the casual user, the boot messages are confusing
[15:13] <minimec> --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt hide things that make  educating people even harder. :)
[15:13] <JanC> hggdh: especially as they include "errors"
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> Im getting some error in the startup messages.. but the splas screen covers them up too fast.
[15:13] <hggdh> yes, indeed. For some of us, looking at the boot messages is a way of life. But not for the majority
[15:14] <Boohbah> Dr_Willis: http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> Boohbah:  and whats that about?
[15:14] <Boohbah> Booting Linux in five seconds
[15:15] <Dr_Willis> normal ubuntu install here.. is getting close to that.
[15:15] <Dr_Willis> no fancy gimmics i guess. wonder if its ext4 thats helping it out so much.
[15:15] <Dr_Willis> Did a clean install just to try ext4  on /
[15:15] <Boohbah> yes, this is just explaining how they achieved some of those things
[15:15] <JanC> heh, I talked to a guy once who *compiled* linux in *less* than 5 seconds  ;)
[15:15]  * Dr_Willis dosent worry about 30 sec boot times.. when he has 30+ days Uptime...
[15:16] <Dr_Willis> stupified some window users with that statement once...
[15:16] <Dr_Willis> '30 days+ uptime?' :)
[15:17] <funkyHat> JanC: that happens if you already compiled it, because make is clever enough to skip bits that are already compiled ;D
[15:17] <MrSmith> Linux has to be always better if u wanna persuade a win user, so i think it's a nice feature xD
[15:18] <JanC> funkyHat: no, he worked at a supercomputing center and compiled it on a Silicon Graphics cluster  :P
[15:18] <Oli``> My longest desktop uptime is still what I got under Windows... I had a spell of 90-odd days under vista before I switched to Ubuntu.
[15:18] <Dr_Willis> I normally persuade a window user by  letting them come to me asking how to remove some virus for the 5+ th time that month...
[15:19] <funkyHat> You mean you infect their computers so they will install Linux? :(
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> Then again. i make good Lunch Money from those window users recovering their video files
[15:19] <IdleOne> funkyHat: unethical but effective
[15:19] <Dr_Willis>  They manage to get them all by theirselfs.. no help from me
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Oli``, I don't understand this idea of leaving a pc on for weeks at a time ,...if you aren't using it save power etc by shutting it down
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> last fellow did not heed my warning about 'do NOT let windows 'auto install codecs' for videos you get from web sites'
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> Seen those Atom based desktop pc's comming out now. Wonder how  much power total they use.
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  i need mine on.. they work as Night lights in the bedroom :)
[15:21] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: it's a bragging rights thing
[15:21] <Oli``> BluesKaj: In my case, it was providing network services around the house and some online things. As is my Ubuntu box now...
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> My wife was constantly streaming video from my fileserver 24/7 for weeks on end.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> so your running a server
[15:22] <Oli``> Dr_Willis: My media center pulls 25W at full load, closer to 19W at idle
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> Her laptop is on 24/7 playing her videos normally.  not as much now that we got more channels ontv. heh.
[15:22] <Oli``> it's an Acer Revo
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> scary how many W these high end video cards pull.
[15:23] <Oli``> BluesKaj: well it's a desktop that does some server functions... but we have a few desktops (and the media centre) in the house that just stay on
[15:24] <Oli``> Dr_Willis: Indeed. my revo does have a nvidia 9400M in it though and keeps things under 30W
[15:24] <Oli``> But my 8800GTS (in my desktop) wastes more than that in heat I'd reckon
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> Thinking about gettign one  of those mini atom based desktops for  fun. :) but  i bet the wife would steal it..  because its 'cute'
[15:25] <funkyHat> So, no news on alpha 5?
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> this constant 'ka-thunking' of the speakers is getting annoying
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Oli``, yeah , understood ..we use a Lan connected TiVo , that uses 2 pcs as storage for video , pics and music . The pcs are shudown every night but the TiVo is constantly on .
[15:26] <funkyHat> I guess I could just download a nightly CD, but I'd rather go for a half-way proper release
[15:27] <Oli``> funkyHat: there's not too much difference... you'll end up at the same stage as a nightly as soon as you update
[15:30] <funkyHat> Oli``: good point, the alpha CDs are likely to have a few more bugs fixed though, aren't they
[15:30] <Oli``> depends on the distance between the release and the nightly, but sure
[15:31] <funkyHat> (I'm just planning to fiddle about with the live CD to see if everything works, then upgrade my desktop if it does
[15:36] <BluesKaj> interesting,  I've avoided the medibuntu repos due to the stripped avcodec apps like ffmpeg not working with our pyTivo server..I wonder what other blackops medibuntu has been forced to implement by the MPPA and it euro-equivalents ? :P
[15:38] <pe> can anybody help me with my sound? everything works, only the sound has problems.
[15:39] <pe> soundcard: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1193979280
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> Drats - freeciv just hung! thats a mission critical app!
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:55] <eternal_p> hey...Alpha 5 is coming out today, no?
[15:56] <funkyHat> eternal_p: yes, it is supposed to be. It is not out yet though
[15:56] <funkyHat> eternal_p: I've just downloaded yesterday's daily live CD instead
[15:56] <eternal_p> funkyHat: ty...
[15:56] <eternal_p> funkyHat; I'll give it a few hours...I'm in no rush :)
[15:57] <funkyHat> Cor, this stack of CDs smells funny
[16:10] <knix_> Woot woot - http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[16:14] <serp> *zelda music*
[16:17] <wastrel> i upgraded to koala
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> Uh ohh! :0
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:18] <billybigrigger> wastrel, how'd it go?
[16:18] <wastrel> it worked afaict
[16:19] <wastrel> need to fix slow boot
[16:19] <wastrel> my favorite jaunty bugs are not fixed
[16:19] <billybigrigger> slow boot?
[16:19] <billybigrigger> like over a minute to boot?
[16:19] <wastrel> my fonts are weird from my gnome theme
[16:19] <wastrel> yes
[16:19] <wastrel> yes very slow boot over a minute 100%
[16:19] <billybigrigger> check your logs, but i bet you need to blacklist the floppy driver
[16:19]  * billybigrigger thought that bug was fixed though
[16:19] <wastrel> imma do it when i get home
[16:20] <PolitikerNEU> Hmm, I got somehow slow boot too - what is the program to measure this called again? bootchart?
[16:20] <billybigrigger> PolitikerNEU, yes, bootchart
[16:20] <wastrel> i was staring at this blank screen for so long i swithced to another VT and logged in
[16:20] <billybigrigger> blank screen eh
[16:20] <wastrel> but by the time i'd typed in my sudo password gdm was finally starting up
[16:20] <billybigrigger> hmm, check your logs
[16:20] <wastrel> when i get home will do it
[16:34] <CyberCr33p> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[16:35] <CyberCr33p> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-5/ doesn't work yet
[16:35] <JEEB> it should get working sooner or later :3
[16:35] <CyberCr33p> yes
[16:35] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week will start in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:38] <billybigrigger> dholbach, thanks
[16:38] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek for more info
[16:40]  * billybigrigger didn't know about UDW until today, what gives :P
[16:41] <billybigrigger> maybe not being a dev has something to do with it?
[16:41] <dholbach> no, we posted it in a lot of places
[16:41] <danbhfive> billybigrigger: I thought it was posted to fridge.ubuntu.com and devel-announce
[16:41] <dholbach> twitter, identica, fridge, devel-announce, digg, the forums, planet
[16:41] <dholbach> and IRC :)
[16:41] <dholbach> and maybe other places I forgot about
[16:41] <dholbach> but luckily there are logs
[16:41] <hggdh> and more. Daniel is making sure it is all over the place ;-)
[16:41] <billybigrigger> just a lowly irc user here
[16:42] <hggdh> even here, billybigrigger
[16:44] <billybigrigger> i haven't been around much the last couple weeks
[16:44] <billybigrigger> so it's nobody's fault, but my own
[16:50] <mkoehler> anyone having troubles using the nvidia driver v185 with kernel 2.6.31-9 (refresh rate)?
[16:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..  not sure what driver im using
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> but with lcd's are refresh rates even an issue
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> using V185 here. twinview lcd's using DVI. No noticeable issues
[16:52] <billybigrigger> 185.18.36
[16:52] <billybigrigger> 2.6.31-9-generic
[16:52] <billybigrigger> works fine here
[16:52] <mkoehler> yeah I'm on 185 too, twinview lcd's using vga
[16:52] <billybigrigger> no twinview here
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> 2.6.31-8-generic
[16:52] <mkoehler> if I fall back a couple of kernel versions, everything's good
[16:53] <mkoehler> if I use -9, then say, when I move a window
[16:53] <mkoehler> it takes like 5 seconds to reposition it, and jumps like every second
[16:53] <mkoehler> to get to the new location
[16:53] <mkoehler> you can see horizontal lines moving from the bottom to the top of the screen when it initially draws the desktop
[16:54] <mkoehler> Linux mike-laptop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:54] <guntbert> I tried to file a bug and got a page "Timeout error" ("our edge server has a lower timeout...), there is an option "disable redirection for 2 hours". What will this option actually do?
[16:54] <mkoehler> fell back on this setup and it works great
[16:56] <mkoehler> guntbert: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/421817
[16:57] <mkoehler> a bug report was filed about that
[16:58] <mkoehler> not sure exactly what the disabling redirection is all about
[16:58] <guntbert> mkoehler: thx, didn't think to find a LP bug in LP :-)
[16:59] <mkoehler> haha yeah, no worries
[16:59] <guntbert> mkoehler: and the redirection doesn't do anything it seems :-)
[16:59] <mkoehler> well, I suppose that's good ;-)
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> the bug reporting system had a bug? :)
[17:01] <nemo> bug reporting system probably has a lot of bugs
[17:02] <nemo> personally I wish they'd offer a way to link to comments using hash syntax
[17:02] <nemo> I should see if there's an enhancement bug on that
[17:02] <nemo> so easy to do too, just add an id="commentID" on the link to the comment ID
[17:04] <om26er1> today was the release date for alpha5 where is it
[17:04] <mkoehler> yeah that'd be convenient
[17:04] <mkoehler> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[17:05] <keith_> i upgraded directly from jaunty and now my system is inoperable. When I restart gdm, the screen flickers and goes black.  Just a black screen. No dialogs.
[17:06] <CyberCr33p> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-5/
[17:06] <keith_> mkoehler: the virtual ttys work. I am using one to talk here.
[17:06] <CyberCr33p> it looks like they are doing some work
[17:06] <CyberCr33p> in the ftp
[17:07] <mkoehler> keith_: hmm...do you have the latest video drivers
[17:07] <keith_> mkoehler: I was running nvidia 176 I think, before I did the upgrade
[17:08] <mkoehler> yeah, I think I was having a similar problem to what you're having
[17:08] <mkoehler> upgrade to nvidia v185
[17:08] <keith_> mkoehler: do I just need to apt
[17:08] <keith_> get the right package+
[17:09] <knix_> woot woot it's out!!!!
[17:09] <keith_> knix_: alpha 5+
[17:09] <mkoehler> yeah
[17:09] <keith_> ?
[17:09] <knix_> ya
[17:09] <knix_> just came up
[17:09] <om26er1> but they did not release ubuntu moblin remix ?
[17:09] <mkoehler> keith_:  yeah just apt-get the nvidia 185 packages
[17:10] <keith_> mkoehler: which package is it for 185? I usually use jockey.
[17:10] <mkoehler> there's a lot
[17:10] <mkoehler> just do sudo apt-get install nvidia-185-*
[17:10] <keith_> mkoehler: yeah, that was my thought. :)
[17:10] <keith_> mkoehler: How can I tell if it's using it?
[17:10] <mkoehler> well, sudo apt-get install nvidia-185-* nvidia-glx-185
[17:10] <mkoehler> I think that's it
[17:11] <keith_> mkoehler: what about nvidia*185?
[17:11] <mkoehler> keith_: whatever floats your boat ;-)
[17:11] <mkoehler> think you may need a * on the far end too though
[17:12] <keith_> mkoehler: good point. i'll give that a try. Will that need a reboot? or is a gdm restart enough?
[17:12] <mkoehler> reboot
[17:12] <keith_> mkoehler: ok. thanks. I'll be back if it doesn't work.
[17:12] <mkoehler> ok good deal
[17:12] <mkoehler> you might also try 2.6.28-11 or something like that
[17:12] <mkoehler> it's the kernel that I'm on right now...I'm still not having great luck with 31-9
[17:13] <mkoehler> working out some kinks
[17:13] <keith_> mkoehler: shouldn't that have come with the upgrade?
[17:14] <keith_> mkoehler: also, apparently 2 globs are not permissible in an apt-get. :)
[17:14] <mkoehler> oh supposedly....I've had it for a week or so
[17:14] <mkoehler> heh
[17:14] <om26er1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-moblin-remix/daily-live/
[17:14] <om26er1> but its alpha didn;t come out
[17:14] <mkoehler> keith_: just do sudo apt-get install nvidia <tab tab>
[17:14] <mkoehler> just get all the options you see w/ a 185
[17:15] <keith_> mkoehler: that works too
[17:15] <knix_> what is ubuntu moblin?
[17:15] <om26er1> knix_: http://moblin.org/
[17:15] <om26er1> moblin in ubuntu
[17:16] <knix_> nice nice
[17:17] <om26er1> knix_: moblin is an intel os built specially for thier intel aom and later handed this project to the linux foundation
[17:17] <knix_> om26er1: sweet, I think I will have to try it out
[17:17] <knix_> I just wish ubuntu supplied the img, not iso
[17:18] <CyberCr33p> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-5/ it's here
[17:18] <om26er1> knix_: u can use unetbootin
[17:18] <knix_> CyberCr33p: yes, yes it is, w00t.  Dling now
[17:21] <guntbert> mkoehler: I managed to get my bug report through - I went via "advanced options" - don't know if that did the trick or if it was only a matter of time anyway :-)
[17:21] <mkoehler> aha
[17:21] <mkoehler> yeah I'm not sure
[17:21] <mkoehler> I've never encountered that bug before....I always use advanced options though
[17:21] <mkoehler> don't know if it makes a difference or not
[17:25] <knix_> om26er1: If I am using netbook remix, couldn't I install moblin on top of it?
[17:26] <keith_> knix_: did kmoehler leave?
[17:26] <mkoehler> keith_: no
[17:26] <knix_> not sure
[17:26] <keith_> mkoehler: there you are
[17:26] <knix_> lol
[17:26] <keith_> mkoehler: got the name close
[17:26]  * mkoehler waves
[17:26]  * knix_ nods back
[17:26] <keith_> mkoehler: yeah, didn't work
[17:26] <keith_> mkoehler: dmesg shows some nvidia issues though
[17:26] <mkoehler> same issues?
[17:27] <keith_> mkoehler: yeah
[17:27] <mkoehler> time for a little pastebinit? =)
[17:27] <keith_> mkoehler: um... can I do that from a tty?
[17:27] <mkoehler> yeah
[17:27] <mkoehler> make sure to get the package pastbinit
[17:28] <keith_> mkoehler: on the plus side, it is using 185
[17:28] <keith_> mkoehler: on the down side, it is ignoring my GPU
[17:29] <keith_> up side?
[17:29] <mkoehler> heh....what kernel did you boot into?
[17:29] <keith_> let me check
[17:29] <keith_> 31.9
[17:29] <keith_> 31-9
[17:30] <mkoehler> hmm
[17:30] <mkoehler> thought about trying an older version just for the sake of testing the video driver?
[17:30] <keith_> well, that's pretty sweet. cli pastebin that is
[17:30] <mkoehler> I've had some issues with 31-9
[17:30] <mkoehler> yeah, it's a handy tool
[17:31] <keith_> www.pastebin.com/f32b7183a
[17:31] <keith_> Hope I copied that right
[17:32] <mkoehler> Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted
[17:32] <keith_> mkoehler: there is a line indicating that 173 may be a better choice?
[17:32] <keith_> mkoehler: let me check
[17:33] <keith_> http://pastebin.com/f32b7183a
[17:33] <keith_> try thta
[17:33] <keith_> that
[17:33] <mkoehler> works better
[17:33] <keith_> mkoehler: www vs no www I guess
[17:33] <mkoehler> ah, they should change their dns settings =/
[17:34] <o_portista17> does anyone know how do i change the hard drive "name" without have to format it?
[17:35] <oinkboink> hi
[17:35] <mkoehler> keith_: yeah, sounds like 185 isn't really supported for your graphics card, my bad
[17:35] <keith_> o_portista17: the drive label?
[17:35] <mkoehler> should have asked you what card you have first
[17:35] <o_portista17> yes
[17:35] <keith_> mkoehler: seems like it should still work. :(
[17:36] <keith_> o_portista17: what is the filesystem?
[17:36] <o_portista17> ntfs
[17:36] <knix_> om26er1: do you like moblin better than the standard netbook remix?
[17:36] <o_portista17> and with Gparted, it will delete my files, at least, its the warning that i receive
[17:36] <keith_> o_portista17: ntfsprogs has a tool I think, or you can use gedit. I don't think you can do it while the drive is mounted though.
[17:36] <keith_> er
[17:37] <keith_> not gedit
[17:37] <keith_> tired
[17:37] <keith_> gparted
[17:37] <oinkboink> there known problems with ati-cards(4670 hd) and 9.10?
[17:37] <keith_> o_portista17: if you boot into a live cd and run gparted, it should be fine
[17:37] <keith_> o_portista17: assuming you can't umount it
[17:38] <o_portista17> but i cant umount it
[17:38] <o_portista17> but, when i put the new label, if i confirm it, it gives me the warning, that i will lose all the files
[17:39] <keith_> o_portista17: How are you trying to change the label in gparted? I have never received a warning like that.
[17:39] <keith_> mkoehler: so... how do I use 173? just remove the higher ones and install 173?
[17:39] <mkoehler> keith_: I'd be much more concerned with "no nvidia graphics adapter found"
[17:39] <mkoehler> yeah
[17:39] <o_portista17> keith_,  ,i umount it, and then second mouse click on the HD, and chose the option "label"
[17:40] <AnAnt> Hello, is seasoned_geek here ?
[17:40] <mkoehler> keith_: I actually have to run for right now...I'll be back in a little bit.
[17:40] <knix_> AnAnt: doesnt look like it
[17:41] <keith_> mkoehler: ok, thanks
[17:41] <keith_> o_portista17: that is strange... one sec
[17:41] <mkoehler> sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:41] <mkoehler> errm....wrong channel
[17:42] <keith_> o_portista17: do you have ntfsprogs installed?
[17:43] <o_portista17> yes
[17:43] <keith_> o_portista17: I believe there should be an ntfslabel program included with that package
[17:44] <o_portista17> yes, and its installed as well
[17:44] <keith_> o_portista17: have you tried using that?
[17:44] <o_portista17> no, but i will try now
[17:45] <keith_> o_portista17: I have to restart now. I will be back.
[17:45] <o_portista17> ok, tks
[17:46] <jcole> anyone here know the reasoning for not including 64bit flashplayer in the next ubuntu release karmic?
[17:50] <eternal_p> jcole: same reason it always is...32-bit is more "complete" as the story goes
[17:50] <jcole> eternal_p: what does that mean
[17:50] <eternal_p> jcole: there are some features missing from the 64-bit version
[17:51] <eternal_p> from what I have read, they decided to nsiswrap it to give everyone the full flash experience which can be missed on the 64-bit version
[17:51] <AnAnt> jcole: ndiswrapper
[17:51] <jcole> eternal_p: like what?
[17:51] <eternal_p> no idea
[17:51] <AnAnt> oops
[17:51] <eternal_p> :)
[17:52] <jcole> eternal_p: im still confused
[17:53] <eternal_p> google my friend...google :)
[17:53] <jcole> eternal_p: if i download it manually and install it to my /home it works perfectly, im looking at the Settings here and don't see anything missing
[17:53] <SwedeMike> I never got my 8.10 to properly run flash until I installed the 64bit alpha plugin.. then everything worked
[17:53] <jcole> SwedeMike: ditto
[17:54] <jcole> are there some closed source bits/drivers that depends on the 32 bit version?
[17:55] <keith_> What does it mean if X tells me that there are "no screens found?"
[17:56] <jcole> keith_: it means hit ctrl-alt-f1 and run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[17:56] <jcole> keith_: you must have started another X server by accident
[17:56] <keith_> jcole: yeah, no...
[17:56] <keith_> jcole: :)
[17:57] <keith_> jcole: I upgraded to karmic from jaunty and it has cast a curse on my system.
[17:57] <keith_> jcole: I downgraded to nvidia 173 because it was complaining about 185, now it is saying no screens found.
[17:57] <keith_> jcole: restarting gdm doesn't solve the problem
[17:58] <jcole> keith_: run "X -configure"
[17:58] <jcole> keith_: as root
[17:58] <jcole> keith_: then copy the new xorg file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:58] <eternal_p> quick question: how can I backup my wireless keys for when I do a clean install
[17:58] <jcole> keith_: then run "nvidia-xconfig"
[17:59] <jcole> keith_:  then "/etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[17:59] <jcole> keith_:  all this as root
[17:59] <jcole> eternal_p: wireless keys are in gconf
[18:00] <keith_> jcole: I did sudo X -configure [file] and recieve a (slightly) different error
[18:00] <eternal_p> jcole: which file?
[18:00] <jcole> keith_: run "ps -ef | grep X"
[18:00] <keith_> jcole: the new xork
[18:00] <keith_> g
[18:00] <jcole> keith_: sudo kill the X process
[18:00] <acicula> eternal_p: i just copy over my home, but it's probably in gnome settings directory?
[18:00] <jcole> keith_: kill {pid}
[18:01] <keith_> jcole: returns no results
[18:01] <eternal_p> acicula: I have so much crap in my /home I want to do a clean install and just bring over what is absolutly necessary, nothing more
[18:01] <keith_> jcole: screens found, but none have a usable configuration
[18:01] <acicula> eternal_p: gnome settings is the best i got, or gnome keymanager/ring, but dont know what files correlate to that
[18:02] <eternal_p> thanks...shame there is no clean export/import
[18:03] <jcole> eternal_p: file are under ~/.gconf/system/networking/connections
[18:03] <jcole> files*
[18:03] <eternal_p> jcole: ty
[18:04] <jcole> eternal_p: you can also run "gconf-editor /system/networking/connections" and view manually
[18:05] <keith_> jcole: any thoughts on my error now?
[18:07] <jcole> eternal_p: its good practice to have / and /home on separate partitions... then, you can jusr rename your old home dir and install a new ubuntu... just dont format your new /home when installing
[18:07] <jcole> keith_: did it create a new xorg.conf.new file?
[18:08] <keith_> jcole: actually, I see now that it says "module nvidia not found"
[18:08] <jcole> keith_: you need to reboot when you install nvidia modules
[18:08] <keith_> jcole: thought I did. brb though.
[18:08] <eternal_p> jcole: that is how I do it
[18:09] <eternal_p> but I rename my home directory from the live CD, I start blank and copy over only what I need
[18:09] <jcole> eternal_p: whatever works :)
[18:09] <eternal_p> jcole: always works :)
[18:09] <eternal_p> as long as I accidentlyi don't format my /home partition
[18:11] <blackxored> isn't alpha 6 released?
[18:11] <Pici> 5
[18:12] <keith_> jcole: same issue
[18:14] <billybigrigger> keith_, sorry for jumping into the conversation
[18:14] <billybigrigger> xserver can't find "nvidia" module?
[18:14] <billybigrigger> did you just upgrade?
[18:14] <keith_> billybigrigger: how dare you try to help! >:/
[18:14] <keith_> billybigrigger: :)
[18:14] <keith_> billybigrigger: yes, I did
[18:14] <blackxored> Pici, doesn't runs on virtual box
[18:15] <billybigrigger> keith_, open a terminal
[18:15] <billybigrigger> $ dkms status
[18:15] <billybigrigger> you might need to rebuilt the modules with dkms
[18:15] <keith_> billybigrigger: it complained about 185, so I uninstalled it and installed 173
[18:15] <billybigrigger> s/rebuilt/rebuild
[18:15] <billybigrigger> yeah you need to build it with dkms
[18:15] <keith_> billybigrigger: how do I do that?
[18:17] <billybigrigger> what did dkms status say about the 173 driver?
[18:17] <keith_> billybigrigger: dkms status?
[18:17] <billybigrigger> ahem
[18:17] <billybigrigger> look above :)
 keith_, open a terminal
 $ dkms status
[18:17] <billybigrigger> $ means from a command line
[18:18] <keith_> billybigrigger: oh, didn't see that. :)
[18:18] <billybigrigger> mine for example...
[18:18] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 185.18.36, 2.6.31-8-generic, x86_64: installed
[18:18] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 185.18.36, 2.6.31-9-generic, x86_64: installed
[18:18] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 185.18.36, 2.6.31-7-generic, x86_64: installed
[18:18] <jcole> keith_: well, run "X -configure" again and just use that file (dont run nvidia-xsettings)
[18:18] <billybigrigger> shows that nvidia  185.18.36 is built for kernels 30-{7,8,9}
[18:18] <keith_> jcole: I tried that
[18:19] <jcole> keith_: it should just use the nv driver
[18:19] <keith_> billybigrigger: it says vbox*install and nvidia, 173*added
[18:19] <billybigrigger> added, NOT installed
[18:19] <billybigrigger> :)
[18:19] <jcole> billybigrigger: $ dkms status
[18:19] <jcole> billybigrigger: nvidia, 190.18.03, 2.6.31-9-generic, x86_64: installed
[18:20] <billybigrigger> yay
[18:20] <keith_> billybigrigger: so, what do I do now? lol
[18:20] <jcole> billybigrigger: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[18:20] <billybigrigger> jcole, not interested in 190.x :) 185 works fine for me :P
[18:20] <billybigrigger> keith_, you need to install the module
[18:21] <jcole> billybigrigger: have you got vdpau working? im still futzing
[18:21] <billybigrigger> keith_, $ sudo dkms install -m nvidia -v 173XXXXX
[18:21] <billybigrigger> replace xxx with whatever version of nvidia you'r running
[18:21] <billybigrigger> keith_, what kernel? i think you need to pass kernel version in there too
[18:22] <billybigrigger> keith_, $ sudo dkms install -m nvidia -v 173XXXXX -k 2.6.XXXXXX
[18:22] <billybigrigger> $ uname -r
[18:22] <billybigrigger> will find your kernel version
[18:23] <billybigrigger> jcole, no, i haven't tried
[18:23] <keith_> billybigrigger: Error! Could not locate nvidia.ko... must run dkms build first...
[18:26] <billybig1igger> keith_: sorry phone rang, outside on the laptop now
[18:26] <billybig1igger> did you get that module installed?
[18:26] <keith_> billybig1igger: see ^
[18:26] <billybig1igger> i can't
[18:27] <billybig1igger> im outside on the laptop
[18:27] <billybig1igger> :)
[18:27] <keith_> billybig1igger: it said Error! Could not locate nvidia.ko... must run dkms build first...
[18:27] <billybig1igger> so do it :P
[18:27] <keith_> billybig1igger: I did
[18:27] <billybig1igger> and
[18:27] <keith_> billybig1igger: died
[18:27] <billybig1igger> died?
[18:27] <keith_> billybig1igger: Bad return status
[18:28] <billybig1igger> hmmm
[18:28] <billybig1igger> was there a log created?
[18:28] <keith_> billybig1igger: yes... make.log. Tracking it down now.
[18:29] <billybig1igger> and really, what was the problem with 185? if we're going to go through troubles getting nvidia drivers working, they should atleast be the newest :P
[18:29] <billybig1igger> what kernel are you running?
[18:30] <keith_> billybig1igger: it said they were ignoring my gpu, and that the legacy 173 supported my card.
[18:30] <keith_> billybig1igger: 31-9
[18:30] <keith_> billybig1igger: the log doesn't seem too helpful to me. want a pastebin?
[18:31] <billybigrigger> what gpu?
[18:31] <billybigrigger> pastebin = good
[18:31] <keith_> billybigrigger: do I need to download the kernel headers for this?
[18:31] <billybigrigger> uhh yeah
[18:31] <billybigrigger> :)
[18:32] <keith_> billybigrigger: what was the command? I forget.
[18:32] <billybigrigger> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.31
[18:32] <billybigrigger> err
[18:33] <keith_> billybigrigger: wasn't there a build-assist package or something that does that?
[18:33] <billybigrigger> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.31-9-generic
[18:33] <billybigrigger> what gpu do you have?
[18:34] <keith_> billybigrigger: already have the headers, so nvm
[18:34] <knittl> hi guys, how's the karma?
[18:34] <keith_> billybigrigger: and it's an nvida... 5500? maybe?
[18:35] <knittl> i broke my system ^^
[18:35] <keith_> is there a way to copy and paste in a tty? :p
[18:35] <serp> bad knittl
[18:36] <knittl> serp: looks like the problems ppl with OEM install get
[18:36] <knittl> but restart doesn't work. not even with sysrq, i can only change loglevels
[18:36] <billybigrigger> keith_, you need gpm installed to copy paste in tty
[18:36] <EagleScreen_> keith_, you can copy and paste lines in vim editor
[18:36] <keith_> billybigrigger: http://pastebin.com/f381afca3
[18:36] <knittl> keith_: with screen
[18:36] <knittl> i'm also using a dell laptop
[18:37] <keith_> Stupid Dell
[18:37] <knittl> i tried old kernels, the new kernel (which doesn't show up in grub, i edited it manually), a self-built kernel. normal and recovery mode
[18:37] <EagleScreen_> DKSM was did by Dell
[18:37] <knittl> so i did 6 boots already, now i'm on a live cd
[18:38] <keith_> EagleScreen_: was did?
[18:38] <knittl> let's mount my root
[18:38] <billybigrigger> keith_, nvidia-173-kernel-source
[18:38] <keith_> billybigrigger: ooh... I have a mouse cursor in my tty! :)
[18:39] <billybigrigger> keith_, now you can copy paste from tty's
[18:39] <billybigrigger> not from x though
[18:39] <keith_> billybigrigger: who needs X. :p
[18:39] <billybigrigger> keith_, so if you install links, you can browse the web and copy paste text from links to your tty
[18:39] <keith_> billybigrigger: all i need is elinks and mutt...
[18:39] <billybigrigger> there ya go :P
[18:40] <keith_> billybigrigger: ok, so what about the source?
[18:40] <billybigrigger> keith_, 64 or 32bit?
[18:40] <keith_> billybigrigger: 32
[18:40] <knittl> hm, nvidia related issues?
[18:40] <keith_> knittl: are there any other kind?
[18:40] <knittl> keith_: any other kind what?
[18:40] <billybigrigger> keith_, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.20.html
[18:40] <knittl> the only thing i get is a blinking cursor
[18:40] <keith_> knittl: nevermind, :)
[18:40] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:41] <keith_> knittl: you seem to have worse issues
[18:41] <knittl> if i switch to vt1 i can see some boot strings
[18:41]  * mkoehler laughs
[18:41] <EagleScreen_> i mean it was made by Dell keith_
[18:41] <knittl> keith_: yes, i'm happy if i get it to work the next few hours :D
[18:41] <keith_> billybigrigger: how does copy and paste work in a tty?
[18:41] <billybigrigger> ctrl-c ctrl-v
[18:41] <keith_> billybigrigger: right click seems to paste
[18:42] <billybigrigger> or middle mouse too i think
[18:42] <billybigrigger> oh yeah, just highlight the text, and middle click
[18:42] <billybigrigger> or right in your case
[18:42] <billybigrigger> download that file, then sudo sh NVIDIA.blahblahblah....run
[18:43] <billybigrigger> in a tty
[18:43] <billybigrigger> then you should be able to use the "nvidia" driver
[18:44] <keith_> billybigrigger: can the copy and paste not cross ttys?
[18:45] <billybigrigger> should be able to
[18:46] <keith_> billybigrigger: doesn't seem to want to. I just typed it manually. I'll figure the copying out later. :) one issue at a time.
[18:48] <knittl> soo, anybody experiencing the same problems? :D
[18:48] <keith_> billybigrigger: be back in a few. It's downloading now.
[18:51] <knittl> dpkg: too many errors, stopping
[18:51] <knittl> hm, could be a problem …
[18:51] <knittl> can i somehow chroot my system and repair those?
[18:53] <billybigrigger> you could
[18:54] <knittl> or are there better solutions?
[18:55] <keith_> knittl: define "better" ;)
[18:55] <knittl> ok, i think i chrooted. i never used chroot before
[18:56] <keith_> knittl: I have, but don't ask me for help. :)
[18:56] <knittl_> difficult to match all 3 ;)
[18:56] <knittl_> but in the end it should just work
[18:58] <knittl_> dpkg was interrupted, run dpkg --configure -a
[18:58] <knittl_> ok, let's do this *g*
[18:59] <keith_> billybigrigger: wow... that was easier to fix than I expected. :) Though now it is telling me that a hard disk is failing... do I need to worry about that?  :D
[18:59] <billybigrigger> well then yeah, it probably does have bad sectors
[19:01] <keith_> billybigrigger: pre-fail? that's a scary sounding diagnosis. :p
[19:02] <knittl_> seems like dependency issues in apt
[19:02] <knittl_> or rather dpkg
[19:04] <keith_> did they remove dontzap frem the repos?
[19:04] <knix_> anyone know how to get a windows 7 bootloader back?
[19:04] <keith_> use grub to boot to the windows 7 partition?
[19:04] <keith_> er...
[19:04] <mkoehler> windows 7 bootloader?
[19:04] <knix_> ya
[19:04] <mkoehler> you'd have to put in the windows cd
[19:04] <billybigrigger> why?
[19:04] <mkoehler> that's the way we did it back with xp and I think vista
[19:04] <knix_> I think I just pooed myself
[19:04] <billybigrigger> you won't be able to boot to ubuntu with windows bootloader
[19:04] <keith_> where did the windows 7 bootloader install to?
[19:05] <mkoehler> knix_: billy's right...windows 7 bootloader won't let you boot into ubuntu
[19:05] <knix_> well I thought I installed karmic correctly side by side, but it looks like I blew away the windows partition
[19:05] <mkoehler> you can add windows7 to you grub bootloader
[19:05] <billybigrigger> knix_, install windows first, then ubuntu
[19:05] <mkoehler> you're going to need more than the bootloader ;-)
[19:06] <billybigrigger> !grub2
[19:06] <keith_> well, new grub should auto-detect... right?
[19:06] <billybigrigger> there's a link in there for dual-booting
[19:06] <mkoehler> see ^^
[19:06] <keith_> sudo update-grub?
[19:06] <knix_> I was dual booting
[19:06] <keith_> That's assuming you can get into grub2... *grumble*
[19:06] <knix_> now I thought I was going to triple boot, but that's not the case.  let me go bang my head against something, brb
[19:06] <keith_> Took me a good 15 reboots to hold the shift key just right
[19:07] <knittl_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7836416 ha!
[19:08] <Tumie> i found a small bug @ alpha 5
[19:08] <Tumie> while the installation, there was something new, that showed stuff about ubuntu
[19:09] <knittl_> hm. open acpi failed (but only a warning)
[19:09] <Tumie> pidgin was one of them, but pidgin isn't installed and replaced with empathy instant messenger
[19:10] <keith_> Stupid empathy
[19:10] <Tumie> keith_: what is stupid about empathy?
[19:10] <keith_> Tumie: Doesn't work properly for me. :p
[19:10] <Tumie> keith_: stupid :p
[19:10] <knix_> good point Tumie
[19:11] <Tumie> knix_: thanks, but... are you a developer?
[19:11] <Tumie> i need the developers to know it, so they can fix it :p
[19:11] <mkoehler> yeah, pidgin is better imo
[19:12] <knittl_> ok, google shows i'm not the only one with the problem …
[19:12] <keith_> Tumie: I tried to get used to it, but after I got around to adding facebook chat, nothing seemed to want to connect... also, it didn't seem to want to notify me of new messages, and ctrl+tab doesn't work like in pidgin... never ever tried getting myspace chat working.
[19:12] <keith_> mkoehler: my only hope is that empathy will develop faster if it is the primary messenger.
[19:13] <keith_> Tumie: I also don't like how it names all my accounts the same thing "new xmpp account" etc
[19:13] <mkoehler> well, I can understand that
[19:13] <Tumie> keith_: you can remove it, and install pidgin :)
[19:13] <keith_> Tumie: Already done, minus the removing part.
[19:14] <mkoehler> that's what I did...also how I'm talking to ya'll
[19:14] <keith_> mkoehler: you are on irc with pidgin?
[19:14] <mkoehler> (yes I know) empathy has support for irc too
[19:14] <mkoehler> yes, I am
[19:14] <keith_> mkoehler: never really could get used to pidgin irc
[19:14] <mkoehler> why not?
[19:14] <keith_> mkoehler: haven't tried it enough I guess. just not what I am used to.
[19:15] <mkoehler> heh, well, I came from ircii
[19:15] <mkoehler> so I like it quite a bit better
[19:15] <keith_> mkoehler: I tried ircii briefly before giving up and using irssi.
[19:15] <keith_> mkoehler: which I am still on. I'll probably switch to xchat-gnome at some point.
[19:15] <mkoehler> ah, I never tried irssi...it's pretty popular there
[19:15] <mkoehler> errm, just it's pretty popular*
[19:16] <Tumie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/423875
[19:16] <Tumie> hoped i added it correctly
[19:16] <keith_> lol, apparently
[19:17] <keith_> Tumie: seems like the documentation always lags behind until the official release though
[19:17] <Tumie> but this isn't documentation :)
[19:17] <DanaG>     from xml.dom.ext.reader import PyExpat
[19:17] <DanaG> ImportError: No module named ext.reader
[19:17] <Tumie> this is the 'about ubuntu', that is showed while installing ubuntu
[19:18] <keith_> Tumie: while installing? do you mean from the live cd? System->About Ubuntu
[19:18] <Tumie> no
[19:18] <Tumie> if you install Ubuntu Alpha 5, you get something new while installing it
[19:19] <Tumie> it shows stuff about ubuntu, what it has, how safe it is. etc.
[19:19] <keith_> Tumie: oh, I haven't tried Alpha 5 install. That's cool. Sounds more like Windows now.
[19:19] <Tumie> its like what windows has while instaling it
[19:19] <DanaG> !info python-xml
[19:20] <keith_> Tumie: It's like... I know Ubuntu is awesome... that's why I am installing it.
[19:20] <shadeslayer> omg...i forgot the release date was today....
[19:20] <eut> hello
[19:21] <Tumie> keith_: why are people installing windows then? :P
[19:21] <eut> where is the xorg.conf file for the latest karmic?
[19:21] <eut> i cant seem to find it in /etc/X11/
[19:21] <SwedeMike> eut: Xorg doesn't really need it anymore, not with default settings.
[19:21] <mkoehler> eut: there's autoconfiguration now
[19:22] <mkoehler> xorg.conf files are still respected, but not necessary
[19:22] <keith_> Tumie: touche
[19:22] <eut> SwedeMike, mkoehler: hmm, wel then how can i increase my screen size?
[19:22] <DanaG> !find oldxml
[19:22] <shadeslayer> well i would have said !resolution but......
[19:23] <eut> SwedeMike, mkoehler i need it to be at least 3200x1080 (dual monitor setup)
[19:23] <SwedeMike> eut: from within the gui, there are settings for that.
[19:23] <mkoehler> eut: ditto
[19:23] <eut> :o
[19:23] <eut> you _must_ use gui to configure x
[19:23] <eut> backwards :P
[19:23] <SwedeMike> I'm sure you can run some tool to create default xorg.conf, nivida drivers tool will do it for instance.
[19:23] <mkoehler> well if you'd prefer, go ahead and make an xorg.conf file from scratch ;-)
[19:23] <mkoehler> it'll still work
[19:24] <knittl_> ok, my package manager is totally borked. how can i fix it? looks like it hasn't downloaded everything for upgrade
[19:24] <eut> ah ok
[19:25] <mkoehler> knittl_: what's wrong w/ it?
[19:26] <knittl_> mkoehler: apt-get tells me i have unmet dependencies, aptitude tells me it wants to remove 69 packages dpkg --configure -a tells me it stopped processing because of too many errors
[19:27] <knittl_> if i try to boot from my hdd i get a blank screen with a blinking cursor (before x starts or anything). i don't even have a shell, and recovery mode ("single" boot option) doesn't work either, i encounter the same symptoms
[19:28] <knittl_> my dist-upgrade must've been aborted right in the middle
[19:28] <mkoehler> sounds like it
[19:29] <knittl_> yeah, it was. it even gave me an error message. but i couldn't restart update-manager because it spit out some python errors
[19:29] <mkoehler> I don't have any quick fix for that...typically I just play around with removing the unnecessary software then installing the stuff I need
[19:29] <knittl_> that happens when the system is half-upgraded, lol
[19:29] <mkoehler> then running the upgrades afterwards
[19:29] <mkoehler> sorry :-\
[19:30] <knittl_> i would be really happy to do my next fresh install for 10.04
[19:31] <knittl_> where are all the devs? i'm glad if i can help troubleshoot and make ubuntu better (= no crashes while updating)
[19:31] <knittl_> would be great to get it fixed till midnight :D
[19:32] <knittl_> the sooner the better
[19:33] <knittl_> ok, aptitude tells me there are a lot of unconfigured packages
[19:33] <knittl_> but it will still remove 69 packages
[19:33] <knittl_> i don't know if they're needed
[19:34] <knittl_> so i'd welcome any guru who knows about this stuff better than me
[19:34] <mkoehler> well, some likely are required
[19:35] <mkoehler> but if removing them helps to get your computer back to a state where apt-get / dpkg works, then it's worth it
[19:36] <knittl_> there's no garuantee it will work after removing them
[19:38] <eternal_p> afternoon all...just did a fresh of alpha 5...I have nvidia drivers installed (had to force an install manually) but enabling desktop effects seems to hang/crash, thoughts?
[19:39] <knittl_> eternal_p: be happy, i can't even start X or a shell
[19:40] <knittl_> well ok, let's remove all that packages and save the list to a text file before doing that
[19:42] <knittl_> can't. dpkg kicks in and complains about errors :(
[19:43] <DanaG> wow, my firefox profile dir has 4058 sqlite.corrupt files!
[19:43] <knittl_> wow, my system is not booting …
[19:44] <mkoehler> that doesn't make much sense....less you removed the kernel
[19:45] <knittl_> ok, my kernel is booting but hangs somewhere so i don't get a shell or X. ergo: i can't do anything
[19:45] <acicula> well what do you see
[19:45] <knittl_> i'm happy with a shell to fix things (and have all things there like irc, music, etc)
[19:46] <knittl_> acicula: a blinking cursor on a blank screen
[19:46] <acicula> it's blinking, ergo it lives :)
[19:46] <knittl_> if a switch to vt1 i see some normal bootmessages, the last line being "Done."
[19:46] <knittl_> on a working system the prompt would be after that line
[19:46] <knittl_> all other vt's are blank
[19:47] <knittl_> ctrl-alt-del is not working, sysrq-b is not working
[19:47] <acicula> this when booting in safe mode?
[19:47] <knittl_> yup, same in safe mode
[19:47] <knittl_> tried with 3 different kernels
[19:47] <knittl_> the old one, one of mine, and the new one
[19:48] <knittl_> the new one doesn't show up in grub, btw
[19:48] <knittl_> oh yeah, it also hung up when i tried to restart my old system
[19:48] <acicula> idunno tbh
[19:48] <knittl_> and update-manager told me it stopped installing because of too many errors
[19:49] <knittl_> rerunning was not working, because python (x)or upgrade-manager was upgraded so i only got python errors
[19:49] <knittl_> hooray
[19:49] <knittl_> :D
[19:49] <billybigrigger> anyone here use wine?
[19:49] <knittl_> so i'd be glad if i get my system back to work and help the devs spot the problem and help others with the same solution
[19:54] <jcole> billybigrigger: i do
[19:56] <billybigrigger> you have problems with sound in 1.1.28?
[19:57] <alteregoa> wine?
[19:57] <billybigrigger> yeah
[19:57] <alteregoa> no
[19:58] <billybigrigger> bah, bloody pulse
[19:58] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1552939
[19:59] <DanaG> Damn Wine.  Totally fails at audio.
[19:59] <DanaG> And they even REJECTED patches that would make it work.
[19:59] <billybigrigger> ?!?!?!
[19:59] <blueyed> DanaG: try LSD ;D
[19:59] <DanaG> Got politics?
[20:00] <billybigrigger> where are these patches :)
[20:00] <DanaG> !google winepulse
[20:00] <alteregoa> [Google] #1 WinePulse « Something Involving a Bicycle ( http://art.ified.ca/?page_id=40 )
[20:00] <billybigrigger> patch them in ubuntu, if upstream doesn't want them
[20:00] <alteregoa> [Google] Desc: If all goes well there should be the file dlls/winepulse.drv/winepulse.drv.so in the wine tree. If you used the winecfg patch you should be able to run ...
[20:03] <Pici> alteregoa: Please disable that script here.
[20:03] <DanaG> Grr, stupid NBC:  http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0815_hd_gaw_hl_l1664&channelcode=sportga
[20:04] <knittl_> ok, i found one conflicting package at least
[20:05] <knittl_> how can i use dpkg to install the version i want
[20:05] <knittl_> without aptitude trying to install a bunch of packages and failing anyway
[20:06] <Pici> knittl_: Why is aptitude failing?
[20:06] <knittl_> Pici: hi pici :) it's failing because dpkg is failing
[20:06] <knittl_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libpam-modules:
[20:06] <knittl_>  libpam-modules depends on base-files (>= 5.0.0ubuntu6); however:
[20:06] <knittl_>   Version of base-files on system is 5ubuntu4.
[20:06] <knittl_> i hope pasting 3 lines is ok
[20:07] <jcole> knittl_: synaptic has a "Force version" option in the menu
[20:07] <knittl_> jcole: and that works when half of my packages are karmic and half of them are jaunty?
[20:08] <alteregoa> whats a good reboot command?
[20:08] <acicula> reboot
[20:08] <alteregoa> i cannot see a option on gnome to reboot
[20:08] <Bauldrick> shutdown -r now
[20:09] <acicula> press the power button, or click on your username top right
[20:09] <acicula> gives you options
[20:09] <thedonvaughn> init 6
[20:09] <acicula> three finger salute
[20:10] <knittl_> how can i use dpkg to install a package from a server
[20:10] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[20:10] <acicula> dpkh -i <packagename>
[20:10] <billybigrigger> wine + pulse works
[20:10] <acicula> or just double click
[20:10] <billybigrigger> without winepulse
[20:10] <knittl_> acicula: yes, but is there a way to download from the package repos?
[20:10] <knittl_> simply using the url?
[20:11] <Pici> knittl_: Why do you have half karmic and half jaunty packages?
[20:11] <james_lan> For the kubuntu version, what provides a bluetooth passkey agent?
[20:11] <knittl_> Pici: because update-manager refused to continue
[20:12] <knittl_> i tried re-opening it, but it already gave python errors
[20:12] <Pici> knittl_: How did you upgrade? update-manager -d ?
[20:12] <knittl_> yes sir
[20:14] <Pici> knittl_: Can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[20:14] <knittl_> yup
[20:15] <knittl_> http://paste2.org/p/412044
[20:15] <knittl_> here's output of dpkg: http://paste2.org/p/412045
[20:17] <Pici> knittl_: Why are you redirecting the output of dpkg --configure -a to dpkg ?
[20:17] <knittl_> Pici: tried to redirect to a file
[20:17] <knittl_> didn't work though
[20:18] <Pici> knittl_: Sorry, was just confusing me there
[20:18] <knittl_> but that is not relevant to my errors ;)
[20:18] <Pici> Yeag
[20:18] <Pici> er, yeah
[20:19] <Pici> knittl_: Can you try: sudo apt-get install -f
[20:20] <knittl_> sure
[20:20] <knittl_> NICE ONE
[20:20] <knittl_> a bunch of unneeded packages (those that aptitude wanted to remove) and base-files as the only one being installed
[20:20] <knittl_> continue [Y/n]?
[20:21] <knittl_> what could possibly go wrong? http://xkcd.com/292/ :D
[20:21] <Pici> knittl_: Which packages does it want to remove?
[20:21] <knittl_> Pici: apt-get doesn't want to remove anything
[20:21] <Pici> knittl_: Oh, nevermind then ;)
[20:21] <knittl_> only aptitude (as part of autoremoving unneeded packages)
[20:22] <knittl_> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libpam-modules
[20:23] <knittl_> damnit!
[20:25] <james_lan> Does anyone know what package in kubuntu is supposed to work with pairing audio devices? (command line, or kde)
[20:28] <knittl_> update-manager won't come up, due to missing python  module gconf
[20:31] <Michalxo> hello all
[20:31] <Michalxo> anyone having jabber account in empathy? I need something to test
[20:32] <knittl_> <3
[20:32] <knittl_> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -f
[20:32] <knittl_> it's actually downloading something again
[20:32] <knittl_> that's good. that's _very_ good
[20:32] <mphill> is apache segfaulting nonstop for everyone using lamp?
[20:32] <knittl_> meh, internal error, could not perform blabla libpam-modules
[20:33] <knittl_> and i guess that's why i don't get a shell login. because my authentication module is broken
[20:33] <Michalxo> no one who uses empathy jabber? (i just need to know if changing priority of jabber account gives seg fault you too)
[20:36] <Michalxo> no one?
[20:36] <knittl_> hell yeah!
[20:37] <knittl_> at least i got libpam0g installed
[20:37] <knittl_> libpam-modules still bitches around
[20:38] <guntbert> james_lan: I guess you have kdebluetooth? you could look at bluez too (I don't know if that is mainly for gnome)
[20:38] <knittl_> is this i circular dependence?
[20:38] <knittl_> base-files depends on libpam-modules (>= 0.79-3ubuntu3); however: Package libpam-modules is not configured yet.
[20:38] <james_lan> I've looked at it, and I can't seem to get it to pair, though it *may* have just done it with bluez-gnome
[20:39] <knittl_> libpam-modules depends on base-files (>= 5.0.0ubuntu6); however: Package base-files is not configured yet.
[20:39] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/423316
[20:39] <knittl_> what shall i do?
[20:41] <knittl_> installing both at the same time worked
[20:41] <knittl_> shall we continue? yes we shall!
[20:42] <knittl_> oh yeah baby. dpkg --configure -a works again
[20:42] <knittl_> i'm so happy :)
[20:43] <LordMetroid> Do I need to update my alpha 4 to alpha 5 using update-manager -d ?
[20:43] <knittl_> LordMetroid: no
[20:43] <knittl_> normal upgrades will do for you
[20:44] <LordMetroid> ok
[20:44] <LordMetroid> thank you
[20:46] <itswhatev> i'm seeing random filesystem corruption with the amd64 karmic daily.  i've watched it happen on ext3 & ext4.  this disk is brand new & has been used with 0 problems using the i386 arch
[20:46] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/423316   anyone?
[20:49] <itswhatev> it's this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/411142
[20:51] <acicula> itswhatev: how do you ascertain the file system is corrupted?
[20:52] <knittl_> 539 not fully installed or removed.
[20:52]  * knittl_ doesn't like this
[20:59] <itswhatev> acicula: fsck detects a filesystem full of errors
[21:00] <Oli``> Is it me or have the icon sizes swollen in the past few days? The panel with my application menu is decidedly taller than my other one.
[21:05] <knittl_> hm. is dbus still used in karmic?
[21:05] <knittl_> or has it been removed like hal?
[21:05] <Trewas> dbus is not going anywhere
[21:05] <acicula> 103       2396  0.0  0.0  22204  1856 ?        Ss   17:27   0:04 /bin/dbus-daemon --system
[21:05] <acicula> karmic-current
[21:06] <knittl_> ok. then i have no clue how to fix this mess :(
[21:08] <knittl_> i fixed libpam, should i give a reboot a try?
[21:10] <knittl_> wth, i'll just do it
[21:18] <itswhatev> hey what do you know, my filesystem just became corrupted again
[21:21] <BUGabundo> boas
[21:23] <eurythmia_> I have my eth0 interface set to acquire an address by DHCP on boot ... I'f found out, though, that if there is no connection (even if I take the interface down) it continually attempts to get an address via dhcp. How can I prevent this from happening when there is no connection present?
[21:26] <knittl> ok, i finally have a shell again on my system
[21:26] <knittl> i don't have networking though
[21:26] <knittl> so i'm on a live system again
[21:27] <knittl> but somehow i miss a decent webbrowser this way xD
[21:31] <BUGabundo> anyone having troubles with FF (namely 3.7) ?
[21:31] <BUGabundo> mine aint loading any addon
[21:32] <serp> BUGabundo, maybe the addons don't support 3.7?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> serp: or working up to 2h ago
[21:32] <BUGabundo> when I shutdown my laptop :\
[21:32] <serp> did you have a previous version before you rebooted? heh
[21:35] <BUGabundo> serp: I get DAILY FF updates
[21:36] <serp> BUGabundo, so you have a nightly build repository?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> serp: daily ppa from ubuntu mozilla team
[21:36] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:39] <ubuntu> so, can anybody help me repair my broken dpkg?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> ubuntu whats up?
[21:39] <knittl> sry, forgot to nick change
[21:40] <knittl> BUGabundo: my dist-upgrade aborted with an error and i now have a system half jaunty, half karmic
[21:40] <knittl> dpkg now hangs at configuring dbus
[21:40] <BUGabundo> arrrr
[21:40] <BUGabundo> knittl: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:40] <BUGabundo> ??
[21:40] <BUGabundo> does that work?
[21:40] <knittl> nop
[21:41] <knittl> that only gives me a hell lot of errors
[21:41] <eurythmia_> knittl: dist-upgrade is not a good way to upgrade ... apt isn't as good at handling dependencies as the other options (like upgrade-manager -d)
[21:41] <knittl> 351 lines to be exactly
[21:41] <knittl> eurythmia_: i upgraded via update-manager -d
[21:42] <knittl> i told myself i want that to be fixed 'til midnight. so 1.25 hours left :D
[21:42] <eurythmia_> oh. Interesting. ... heh, and perl -i -ple "s/upgrade/update/"
[21:43] <eurythmia_> ;)
[21:43] <knittl> yeah, update-manager :P
[21:43] <knittl> well, i couldn't login at all
[21:43] <knittl> i managed to fix libpam-modules and libpam0g
[21:43] <knittl> i can login now, but i don't have networking
[21:44] <eurythmia_> knittl: honestly, I think it would probably be easiest to back up your data and do a clean install.\
[21:44] <knittl> and i want all packages to be properly configured
[21:44] <BUGabundo> wait
[21:44] <knittl> i don't want to do a clean install :(
[21:44] <BUGabundo> you distupgraded?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> we can't suport that way
[21:44] <knittl> i wanna know how to rescue my system ;)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> the correct way is update-manager -d
[21:44] <knittl> what way can you support?
[21:44] <knittl> BUGabundo: i did that
[21:44] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[21:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:45] <BUGabundo> reading backlong
[21:45] <BUGabundo> knittl: boot from live cd , chroot
[21:45] <BUGabundo> and try again ??
[21:45] <BUGabundo> or even recovery with network?
[21:45] <knittl> i am on live cd right now, and have a chroot in another terminal
[21:45] <BUGabundo> and try do aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade ?
[21:46] <knittl> 1 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 72 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:46] <knittl> remove those?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> I've been using aptitude and update manager -d didn't find anything to update
[21:49] <BUGabundo> knittl: do it
[21:49] <knittl> ok
[21:49] <BUGabundo> you don't have anything to loose
[21:49] <BUGabundo> after that do
[21:49] <knittl> i saved the list to a file, just in case
[21:49] <BUGabundo>  aptitude full-upgrade
[21:50] <knittl> okay
[21:50] <knittl> let's see first if it does the safe upgraed without problems
[21:50] <BluesKaj> full-upgrade ?
[21:50] <knittl> Current status: 2 broken [+2], 1 update [-1]
[21:50] <knittl> + a lot of dpkg errors
[21:50] <BUGabundo> do now aptitude full-upgrade
[21:51] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: yeah it upgrades package that require dep jumps
[21:51] <knittl> wants to remove mysql server
[21:51] <knittl> but ok, i can always reinstall that
[21:52] <knittl> Current status: 0 broken [-2].
[21:52] <knittl> looks good?
[21:52] <knittl> dpkg --configure -a again?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> try now
[21:54] <BUGabundo> knittl: alse make sure you have ubuntu-desktop
[21:54] <knittl> lots of errors
[21:54] <mattfletcher> hello, i've just upgraded my 9.04 install to karmic alpha using update-manager -d and i now have two firefoxes installed. 3.5.2 and 3.0.something. what packages do i need to remove to get just the latest?
[21:54] <knittl> the first being dbus
[21:55] <BUGabundo> mattfletcher: 3.5 is the oficial
[21:55] <mattfletcher> BUGabundo: I realise that, I do not know what package to remove the older version
[21:55] <knittl> BUGabundo: http://paste2.org/p/412173
[21:56] <BUGabundo> mattfletcher: firefox-3.0
[21:56] <BUGabundo> knittl: could be the chroor
[21:56] <knittl> but chroot shouldn't allow breaking out, right?
[21:57] <knittl> or is this about user management?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> knittl: no idea
[21:57] <BUGabundo> won't comment on it
[21:57] <knittl> ehm, ok
[21:58] <Tumie> can somebody check this again? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/423875
[22:00] <BUGabundo> Tumie: lol
[22:01] <knittl> if i only knew which package is comes first in dependency chain
[22:02] <knittl> yay, another two packages working *g*
[22:02] <BUGabundo> \o/
[22:03] <BUGabundo> knittl: what's still breaking?
[22:03] <knittl> a lot
[22:03] <BUGabundo> knittl: alse make sure you have ubuntu-desktop
[22:03] <knittl> but i just dpkg -i udev initramfs-tools
[22:03] <knittl> yeah, can't install yet because of dependencies
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:03] <BUGabundo> knittl: pastebin your sources
[22:03] <knittl> but lol, after fixing everything i will have a very funny system
[22:04] <BUGabundo> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:04] <knittl> sources == sources.list
[22:04] <knittl> ?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:04] <BUGabundo> install that if you don't have yet
[22:04] <BUGabundo> alias pastebinit='pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com'
[22:04] <BUGabundo> I made this nice alias :)
[22:04] <BluesKaj> knittl, look in your menu for an app called orphaned package manager or some such
[22:04] <knittl> can't install :p
[22:04] <knittl> package manager is broken
[22:05] <knittl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/264643/
[22:05] <knittl> ok, it worked xD
[22:06] <BUGabundo> deb http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/pub/ubuntu/archive/ karmic main restricted universe multiverse
[22:06] <BUGabundo> you only need that, for now
[22:06] <BUGabundo> comment all other repos/pockects
[22:06] <BluesKaj> knittl, it's not THE package manager , it's a small app called remove orphaned packages
[22:06] <BUGabundo> an leave just ONE
[22:06] <knittl> what'? darkstar.ist.utl? oO
[22:06] <BUGabundo> no sources, no 3rd party
[22:07] <BUGabundo> knittl: replace that with your fav mirror
[22:07] <BUGabundo> that's just mine
[22:07] <knittl> oh ok
[22:08] <knittl> ok, commented everything. now update && upgrade?
[22:09] <roffe> If I want to run alpha 5, what would be the easiest way?
[22:09] <knittl> dpkg --configure -a does a lot more now
[22:09] <knittl> roffe: don't ;)
[22:09] <itswhatev> this filesystem corruption thing is ugly.. i hope downgrading grub works around the prob... i'm running on a livecd now.
[22:09] <roffe> knittl, why's that? Too buggy?
[22:10] <knittl> i don't know. but i've been trying to bring my system into a usable state for hours now ^^
[22:11] <knittl> ok, i think i'll try to reboot once more
[22:11] <knittl> hm, what about hal? i thought hal got removed?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> knittl: use aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:12] <BUGabundo> roffe: what do you have right now?
[22:13] <knittl> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the mysql-server-5.0 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[22:13] <BUGabundo> knittl: your probs have nothing to do with karmic
[22:13] <BUGabundo> but with a broken upgrade
[22:13] <knittl> well, they happened while upgrading to karmic
[22:13] <knittl> and ppl in #ubuntu refuse to help because it's related to karmic
[22:14] <BUGabundo> knittl: what do you have there, that a backup, and a clean isntall won't give you ?
[22:14] <roffe> BUGabundo, 9.04
[22:14] <BUGabundo> just export the list of installed apps
[22:14] <knittl> BUGabundo: the fun
[22:14] <BUGabundo> and then install them
[22:14] <knittl> and experience
[22:14] <BUGabundo> roffe: $ update-manager -d
[22:15] <BUGabundo> knittl: all kept on a backup
[22:15] <knittl> this can't be soo hard
[22:15] <BUGabundo> WAIT
[22:15] <BUGabundo> I have an idea
[22:15] <knittl> yes, i'm listening
[22:15] <BUGabundo> just run the installer, BUT don't format
[22:15] <roffe> BUGabundo, and then?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> installer will keep settings, and user space
[22:15] <BUGabundo> but install karmic apps
[22:15] <knittl> so i'll have jaunty again
[22:15] <knittl> i don't have a karmic cd
[22:15] <knittl> no blank cdrs at home
[22:16] <BUGabundo> usb pen ?
[22:16] <knittl> nop
[22:16] <knittl> hm, i'll try to fix it myself
[22:16] <knittl> nevermind
[22:16] <knittl> thanks for helping me out :)
[22:16] <roffe> BUGabundo, and then?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> roffe: and then, after reboot, you have karmic
[22:17] <roffe> BUGabundo, Ok, but nothing really happened when I wrote that
[22:17] <BUGabundo> roffe: where did you do it ?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> roffe: $ lsb_release -a
[22:18] <itswhatev> maybe if i install grub2 that will help? i only had grub-common and grub-pc
[22:18] <roffe> BUGabundo, Sorry, I already had "update manager" up, so it didn't come up like it should
[22:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:18] <BUGabundo> itswhatev: what's up ?
[22:18] <ShapeShifter499> karmic, might be hated now, but loved later once finalised and released, why does this happen to all types of Linux operating systems before they come out of testing/beta/alpha?
[22:18] <knittl> ShapeShifter499: i don't hate karmic
[22:19] <knittl> why would i?
[22:19] <roffe> Is it buggy so far?
[22:19] <itswhatev> BUGabundo: something's up with amd64 and the latest grub stuff, extXX filesystems are getting corrupted, including the superblock.. i keep having to use a livecd to correct the probs..
[22:19] <BUGabundo> roffe: its ALPHA
[22:19] <BUGabundo> anything and everyting can and will happen
[22:20] <BUGabundo> itswhatev: WFM
[22:20]  * BUGabundo wonders if he is the only experience tester in the # tonight
[22:20] <sebbar> hi, will the decision to set arora as default browser be reconsidered for kubuntu 10.4?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> hey guys WAKE UP
[22:20] <BUGabundo> sebbar: 10.4?? LOLOL
[22:20] <BUGabundo> not even 9.10 is made up yet
[22:20] <BluesKaj> tester ? ...we're all testers
[22:20] <BUGabundo> blueprint still open
[22:21] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ahh there you are
[22:21] <BluesKaj> hehe
[22:21] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I meant to say _regulars_
[22:22]  * billybigrigger takes a peek into the room
[22:22] <sebbar> BUGabundo: the alpha 5 page says they decided to keep konqueror cause switching to arora is too much of a hassle... want to know if that might change in the future
[22:22]  * billybigrigger quickly shuts the door
[22:22] <knittl> i'll try reboot. cu
[22:22] <BluesKaj> right , I'm spending some with some cli purist friends who also happen to be into audio , not the mp3 king the glow in the dark tube amps types
[22:22] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: billybigrigger billybigrigger [[]]
[22:22] <BUGabundo> sebbar: ahh you mean KDE :\
[22:22] <itswhatev> f the holier than though in this #..
[22:23] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, hehe howdy
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ohh you are there
[22:23] <BUGabundo> I thought we lost you :)
[22:23] <sebbar> BUGabundo: I mean the default browser on kubuntu
[22:23] <billybigrigger> no, i need to go outside a smoke though
[22:23] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: stop smoking
[22:23] <itswhatev> disgusting
[22:23] <BUGabundo> you get better lungs, but lousy eye sight
[22:23] <BluesKaj> sebbar, i'm glad hear that , arora is boooorrrring
[22:27] <billybig1igger> ok let's get this party started
[22:27] <knittl> yay, dpkg --configure -a looks way better on my real system (without chroot)
[22:27] <billybig1igger> although my help might me limited, who needs it?
[22:28] <billybig1igger> before BUGabundo goes insane
[22:28] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta BBQ , BBL
[22:28] <billybig1igger> BluesKaj: i like mine medium rar
[22:28] <billybig1igger> s/rar/rare
[22:28] <BUGabundo> damn it
[22:28] <BUGabundo> everyone getting BBQ
[22:28] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:28] <BUGabundo> all but me
[22:29] <ShapeShifter499> !botsnack
[22:29] <knittl> i want bbq too :(
[22:29] <billybig1igger> who was having grub problems?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> ok, I blame my self for the OT
[22:30] <knittl> ^^
[22:31] <knittl> hm, i miss a 3 way merge for conflicting config files
[22:33] <knittl> cool cool cool. dpkg is still running without errors
[22:33] <knittl> half an hour to go till midnight. i think i will achieve my goal of having karmic before midnight xD
[22:33] <BUGabundo> yay
[22:34] <BUGabundo> ehheheehe