                  DISCLAIMER: no real proof has been made that… blablabla"
[08:41] <RAOF> All suggestions, express or implied, that work may or may not be done are explicitly disclaimed at this juncture.  May contain traces of nuts.
[08:43] <didrocks> :)
[08:43] <didrocks> yeah, the "May contain traces of nuts", I really like this one, almost everywhere
[08:46] <MacSlow> hey RAOF
[08:47] <RAOF> MacSlow: Howdie howdie howdie.
[08:48] <MacSlow> didrocks, RAOF: when trying to pull an update (on my nvidia-machine using the binary blob) I should be save if I disable the removing of "nvidia-current" and don't pull updates for the xserver... right?
[08:48] <didrocks> MacSlow: apt-get upgrade should do that for you, doesn't it?
[08:49] <RAOF> MacSlow: Right.  As long as nvidia-current is installed, the new X server won't be.
[08:49] <MacSlow> didrocks, using synaptic here
[08:49] <didrocks> MacSlow: hum, so yeah, disabling the removing of nvidia -current in it should do what you want
[08:49] <MacSlow> didrocks, wouldn't "apt-get upgrade" pull the new xserver and thus remove nvidia-current?
[08:49] <MacSlow> cool
[08:50] <didrocks> MacSlow: apt-get upgrade never deletes package
[08:50] <didrocks> apt-get *dist-*upgrade  can propose removing packages :)
[08:50] <MacSlow> didrocks, ah ok
[08:50] <didrocks> MacSlow: so, as long as you apt-get upgrade, you're always safe
[08:51] <didrocks> the thing is that you can't have transition when removal of a package (renaming because of soname bump and such…) is on purpose
[09:18] <om26er> njpatel, this bug 705536 was fixed when your launcher-fixes branch was in progress (I tried it) but with the update it seems its back.
[09:22] <njpatel> om26er, urgh, thanks, I'll re-open and milestone for this week
[09:22] <njpatel> next week, event
[09:22] <njpatel> even
[09:22] <njpatel> okay, it's Friday
[09:23] <njpatel> om26er, yeah, I can confirm it here....my hack didn't even last for two days! :)
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: not a bad idea at all, I was planning to do that anyways
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: I will now feed you with documentation
[10:03] <RAOF> smspillaz: Oh, if you were going to do it anyway… :)  In what sort of timeframe?
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: somewhere in the distant future
[10:03] <RAOF> Ah.
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: but if you've got time to do a simple one that would be great
[10:03] <RAOF> Ok, then.
[10:03] <RAOF> Maybe.
[10:04] <smspillaz> its just a matter of writing the backend
[10:04] <RAOF> It'd be a replacement for... opengl, right?
[10:04] <smspillaz> http://wiki.compiz.org/Development/zero-nine/CoreClasses/PaintHandler
[10:04] <smspillaz> yes
[10:04] <smspillaz> and
[10:04] <smspillaz> http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/composite_howto.html
[10:05] <smspillaz> RAOF: the only thing you'd need to do is implement the xrender backend in PaintHandler and then port the decor plugin to use xrender as well
[10:06] <RAOF> Ah.  You're thinking of something different.
[10:06] <smspillaz> oh ?
[10:06] <smspillaz> oh
[10:06] <smspillaz> s/XRandR/XRender/
[10:06] <RAOF> I wsa thinking s/XRender/XRandR/ :)
[10:06] <smspillaz> indeed
[10:07] <smspillaz> RAOF: I don't think that XRandR 1.4 will help with mts though
[10:07] <smspillaz> RAOF: we have multitexturing in core now, so if a tex size > mts we revert to the XGetImage copy-to-texture backend to copy the pixmap into multiple textures in a list which we draw with the same geometry
[10:08] <smspillaz> but XRender would be cool :)
[10:08] <RAOF> :)
[10:08] <smspillaz> RAOF: out of curiousity, what would XRandr 1.4 do for mts ?
[10:09] <RAOF> There's (optionally) no longer a single pixmap covering the whole display; it's now one-per-output.
[10:10] <RAOF> So you wouldn't need to split the root pixmap, basically.
[10:10] <RAOF> You'd still need multitexturing for when windows get bigger than mts, but that'd require the window to be bigger than a single output, which is an uncommon case :)
[10:34] <njpatel> rodrigo_, is this still valid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/706891
[10:34] <rodrigo_> njpatel, looking
[10:35] <rodrigo_> njpatel, hmm, not sure, asking API
[10:35] <rodrigo_> oh, he's not around
[10:41] <njpatel> rodrigo_, okay, I guess we'll have to wait :)
[10:42] <rodrigo_> njpatel, I'll point him to the bug as soon as he shows up
[10:42] <njpatel> thank you
[11:02] <nerochiaro> njpatel: quick question about the emblem support in unity: what is the logic to decide where the emblem should appear ?
[11:02] <njpatel> nerochiaro, I'm not 100% certain, will need to ask DBO about that
[11:03] <nerochiaro> njpatel: DBO ?
[11:06] <njpatel> nerochiaro, jason smith
[11:06] <nerochiaro> njpatel: ah, ok. didn't know he had that other nick
[11:07] <njpatel> ah, sorry :)
[11:07] <njpatel> Here's me thinking he's famous ;)
[11:45] <Mark__T> njpatel: ping
[11:46] <njpatel> Mark__T, pong
[11:52] <Mark__T> Mark__T: are your vapi files for indicator work with latest releases?
[11:53] <Mark__T> I can't make generate_vapi generate one for me here
[11:54] <Mark__T> njpatel: http://dpaste.com/429590/
[11:55] <njpatel> Mark__T, we don't really use indicator through vapi anymore so I haven't seen that for a while :/
[11:55] <njpatel> Mark__T, looks like some of the -custom bits can be removed now maybe
[11:58] <Mark__T> njpatel: I was thinking of doing a clean rewrite of my xfce4-indicator-plugin using vala
[11:59] <njpatel> ahh
[12:00] <njpatel> Mark__T, did you pick up all the files in the vala directory? (-custom.vala, metadata etc)?
[12:00] <Mark__T> no, missed metadata ...
[12:02] <Mark__T> njpatel: thanks
[12:02] <Mark__T> next time I should use bzr :-D
[12:02] <njpatel> heh, yes!
[12:02] <njpatel> :)
[12:03] <njpatel> Mark__T, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~njpatel/libindicator/vala/files
[12:03] <njpatel> that's what I used to create the vapis
[12:03] <njpatel> it probably needs a little updating but hopefully should work
[12:04] <Mark__T> btw, any chance that vapi-generation moves into libindicator or vala?
[12:04] <njpatel> it would be good if libindicator did it manually yeah, but I don't think ted has spare cycles :(
[12:05] <Mark__T> k now let's see if I eventually really understand these whole indicator stuff
[12:05] <njpatel> heh
[12:06] <Mark__T> It was to much guessing and trying involved when I initially wrote that plugin
[12:06] <Mark__T> s/to/too
[12:07] <njpatel> Mark__T, is your plugin a host for indicators?
[12:07] <njpatel> i.e. is it indicator-applet for xfce?
[12:08] <Mark__T> njpatel: yes
[12:09] <njpatel> sweet
[12:10] <Mark__T> unfortunatly it makes the called app crash if I click on a notification entry
[12:11] <Mark__T> not sure why, same happens if I use the indicator-applet through a wrapper
[12:11] <Mark__T> (there is a plugin for xfce panel to use gnome applets)
[12:14] <njpatel> do you ahve a trace?
[12:31] <Mark__T> njpatel: need to run something in gdb, and call it ...
[12:32] <Mark__T> njpatel: getting debugsymbols for pidgin ...
[12:48] <Mark__T> njpatel: http://dpaste.com/429731/ that's all I get
[12:50] <njpatel> oh, I don't know much about pidgin, sorry:/
[12:51] <Mark__T> claws-mail crashes too
[13:41] <cjohnston> I see that the notification area is coming back.. But its limited as to what can use it. Is there a way for apps like Dropbox to display that they are running as they did previously?
[13:44] <njpatel> cjohnston, Dropbox just needs updating to the new libindicator-application
[13:46] <cjohnston> njpatel: ok.. thanks..
[13:47] <njpatel> cjohnston, the whitelist is kept in dconf if you want to amend it (at least for now it is)
[13:50] <cjohnston> oh.. ok.. great..
[14:31] <kenvandine> ronoc, i saw you had reverted the merge of TheMuso's branch because the libindicator changes hadn't landed yet
[14:31] <kenvandine> ronoc, libindicator with the a11y changes is uploaded, want to re-merge that and do a release?
[14:32] <ronoc> kenvandine, hey, will do hoping to merge in also the voip feature, when do you need it by,
[14:32] <ronoc> ?
[14:33] <kenvandine> anytime
[14:33] <kenvandine> voip feature?
[14:34] <ronoc> kenvandine, -> Voip Mic input feature to land in the sound menu -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu#Microphone%20volume%20item (works: http://i.imgur.com/rUQWN.png)
[14:35] <kenvandine> oh... awesome!
[14:35] <njpatel> kenvandine, !
[14:35] <kenvandine> hey njpatel
[14:35] <njpatel> kenvandine, I love indicator-xchat, but really need the nick-changing thing to be fixed :)
[14:36] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:36] <kenvandine> i haven't figured out how to do that :/
[14:36] <njpatel> Could we do a a strstr or something to just fuzzy the search?
[14:36] <kenvandine> that might help sometimes
[14:36] <kenvandine> if your nick stays similar
[14:37] <njpatel> right, I mean that's the majority of cases for me, but I get that it's not perfect
[14:37] <kenvandine> i just wish xchat-gnome would just give me a signal on nick changes
[14:37] <kenvandine> which last time i looked, it doesn't
[14:37] <kenvandine> but... somehow the UI knows to change
[14:37] <njpatel> kenvandine, also, to get the count off the launcher, I need to switch away from the private conversation/channel or x-chat window
[14:37] <kenvandine> i guess i should look to see the the UI does to know
[14:38] <kenvandine> right
[14:38] <kenvandine> same as the indicator
[14:38] <njpatel> really? never noticed I guess :)
[14:38] <kenvandine> we don't update the indicator or count if the channel and window is focused
[14:38] <kenvandine> that is new :)
[14:38] <njpatel> aah
[14:38] <kenvandine> the window focus part
[14:38] <kenvandine> and focusing the window now signals changing the indicator and count as well
[14:38] <kenvandine> if the channel/pm is focused
[14:39] <kenvandine> njpatel, but since that is new... there might be bugs
[14:39] <kenvandine> ronoc, what is ubuntuone music in the menu for?
[14:40] <ronoc> kenvandine, their player slots into the menu nicely
[14:40] <kenvandine> ?
[14:40] <kenvandine> they have  their own player?
[14:40] <ronoc> kenvandine, yeah first I heard of it was a few weeks back
[14:40]  * kenvandine wonders how he could have missed that!
[14:40] <ronoc> kenvandine, for streaming from ubuntu one
[14:41] <ronoc> still in alpha
[14:41] <kenvandine> what's the package name?
[14:41] <ronoc> kenvandine, I was thrown a deb :)
[14:41] <kenvandine> ah
[14:51] <aruiz> tedg, hey hey
[14:51] <aruiz> :-)
[14:56] <tedg> aruiz, Howdy, loved your mail!
[14:56] <aruiz> tedg, n_n
[14:57] <tedg> aruiz, So yeah, let's make a release and start packaging it.
[14:57] <tedg> aruiz, We'll not seed it or anything like that, so most people won't get it right away.
[14:57] <aruiz> tedg, should I take care of the debian packaging myself?
[14:58] <tedg> aruiz, If you want to, that's fine.  Otherwise we can ask the Ubuntu Desktop team.
[14:59] <aruiz> tedg, I think it'll be better if the desktop team takes care of it, my dpkg-fu is sub-standard, to say the least, you'll end up spending as much time fixing my stuff than packaging :-)
[15:00] <aruiz> tedg, btw, I don't know if you have noticed, but I'm using waf, would that be a problem?
[15:00] <tedg> aruiz, Makes sense tome :)
[15:01] <tedg> aruiz, No, that should be fine.  You might get some bitching, but I'm sure there's packaging rules for it.
[15:01] <aruiz> oh well, coping with bitching is okay :-)
[15:02] <tedg> aruiz, Do you know how to upload tarballs in LP?
[15:02] <aruiz> tedg, actually, I'm going to fix the license headers before the release
[15:02]  * kenvandine grumbles about waf
[15:02] <tedg> aruiz, Good idea.
[15:02]  * tedg tells kenvandine to be quiet or we'll call this lo-indicator ;)
[15:03]  * kenvandine will hold that package hostage :)
[15:03] <aruiz> tedg, I just had a look at the web form, seems relatively easy, any conventions on the changelog/release notes?
[15:03] <aruiz> are they actually mandatory?
[15:03] <aruiz> :-)
[15:03] <tedg> aruiz, No, not really.  I'm pretty bad at filling them out.  kenvandine would probably like them filled out more :)
[15:03] <aruiz> :-)
[15:04] <tedg> aruiz, We have a couple of automake rules to build the Changelog.  Not sure how to put those in WAF, but you can try.
[15:04] <kenvandine> yeah... i got tired of bitching at tedg about that
[15:04] <aruiz> okay, I'll fix these headers and go ahead
[15:04] <kenvandine> :)
[15:04] <aruiz> kenvandine, oh well
[15:04] <aruiz> kenvandine, waf is awesome btw!
[15:04] <kenvandine> aruiz, i just some hint of what changes from version to version, specifically if it fixed known bugs :)
[15:04] <kenvandine> yeah... not that i don't like waf
[15:04] <aruiz> well, this is the first release
[15:05] <aruiz> kenvandine, does it not play well with debian packages?
[15:05] <kenvandine> it's just frustrating dealing with packages using different build systems
[15:05] <aruiz> gotcha
[15:05] <kenvandine> never done a debian package using waf
[15:05] <kenvandine> but it shouldn't be hard
[15:05] <kenvandine> i packaged some conary stuff back in the day with waf, which was easy
[15:06] <aruiz> well, the libreoffice extension build mechanism was quite a nightmare to decipher, having to cope with autofoo while trying to understand what's going on with that spagetthi Makefile purgatory wasn't really the best use of my time
[15:06] <kenvandine> and back when i hacked on packagekit we made an attempt to switch to waf
[15:06] <kenvandine> which didn't go so well
[15:06] <aruiz> well
[15:06] <aruiz> back then waf was quite unstable
[15:06] <aruiz> I actually convinced the maintainer to have a decent set of unit test and stop breaking trunk
[15:06] <aruiz> (yeah, trunk, they still use svn)
[15:07] <aruiz> (and yeah, he used to brake it several times a day)
[15:08] <kenvandine> nice
[15:08] <aruiz> kenvandine, if my stuff gives you any trouble let me know and I'll figure out how to make it easy for you
[15:08] <kenvandine> :)
[15:08] <kenvandine> awesome
[15:08] <jcastro> kamstrup: hate to sound whiny .... but any word on GI for libunity?
[15:08] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^ example of how to deal with desktop guys :)
[15:08] <jcastro> hi aruiz!
[15:08] <aruiz> hey jcastro
[15:08] <aruiz> how's it going?
[15:08] <jcastro> good good, glad to see you around
[15:08] <kenvandine> tedg, aruiz is scoring good points here... hint hint :)
[15:09] <tedg> kenvandine, aruiz will learn that if you give those desktop people an inch, they'll ask for a mile.  He's just a n00b.
[15:09] <kenvandine> jcastro, he got LO menus working...
[15:09] <aruiz> kenvandine, give him a break X-)
[15:09] <kenvandine> ;-D
[15:09] <jcastro> wait what?
[15:09] <jcastro> screenshot
[15:09] <aruiz> jcastro, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4524326/foo.gif
[15:09] <aruiz> screencast
[15:09] <aruiz> :P
[15:09] <jcastro> nice
[15:09] <jcastro> nice nice nice
[15:09] <kenvandine> aruiz, when you get a release, ping me and i'll start packaging
[15:09] <aruiz> kenvandine, will do
[15:09] <kenvandine> no hurry, i have a far bit to do today
[15:10]  * aruiz goes to fill those headers
[15:10] <jcastro> aruiz: where's the code at?
[15:10] <kenvandine> but i would love to get that uploaded soon... :)
[15:10] <aruiz> jcastro, launchpad.net/lo-menubar
[15:10] <jcastro> ok thanks
[15:10] <jcastro> blogging this bad boy. :)
[15:10] <aruiz> jcastro, I was going to blog this!
[15:10] <aruiz> :P
[15:11] <jcastro> oh, well if you got it then rock and roll with it!
[15:11] <aruiz> well
[15:11] <jcastro> but hurry, this is great friday-candy
[15:11] <aruiz> I'm not in p.u.o
[15:11] <jcastro> I'll handle that
[15:11] <aruiz> so feel free to refer to it once I blog
[15:11] <jcastro> or I can just show the  OMG guys this too
[15:11] <aruiz> well, it's not finished, loads of stuff to do
[15:12] <aruiz> but if that's fine, then sure
[15:12] <jcastro> right
[15:12]  * tedg thinks our new strategy for U1 will just to be to show dropbox links to OMG and make them go under from bandwidth charges
[15:13] <aruiz> haha
[15:13] <aruiz> tedg, I recently created a U1 account
[15:13] <jcastro> aruiz: I think most people will just be happy that someone is working on it
[15:13] <aruiz> jcastro, :-)
[15:14] <tedg> kenvandine, Does Gwibber use SSL for Facebook?  I knew you were working on it at some point, but I forgot the end of the story.
[15:14] <kenvandine> yes
[15:14] <tedg> Cool
[15:15] <kenvandine> but there is problems with ssl in pywebkitgtk
[15:15] <kenvandine> so in gwibber-accounts it uses ssl, but it doesn't actually validate the cert
[15:15] <kenvandine> however, all api calls do
[15:16] <tedg> Ah, okay.  I'm guessing the GTK version of Gwibber is going to be N+1?
[15:16] <aruiz> tedg, btw, should I follow LGPLv3/MPL to comply with LO licensing?
[15:17] <tedg> aruiz, When I talked to dbarth about this we talked about LGPLv3, but not dual.  So let's leave it there for now and talk to him when he gets back next week.  I don't see any issue, but we should check that.
[15:17]  * tedg didn't think about dual at the time.
[15:17] <aruiz> tedg, I'll go for LGPLv3 then
[15:18] <aruiz> this is an extension, so it should be fine
[15:19] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ping
[15:19] <njpatel> rodrigo_, pong
[15:19] <rodrigo_> njpatel, iirc, you told me once that the panel service would get coordinates info for the indicators from unity, right?
[15:21] <kamstrup> jcastro: hi - good news! I have it working on my own system. Lots of duct tape and spaghetti-wiring, but working :-)
[15:21] <njpatel> rodrigo_, yeah, just haven't had a chance to do that yet
[15:21] <njpatel> rodrigo_, you need it for a11y, right?
[15:21] <jcastro> kamstrup: woo!
[15:21] <kamstrup> jcastro: I'll be working with didrocks, next week I guess?, to land it
[15:21] <rodrigo_> njpatel, yes, I do, so how were you planning to do it? I can do it as part of the branch I'm working on
[15:21] <njpatel> kamstrup, it's all duct-tape
[15:21] <njpatel> :)
[15:21] <rodrigo_> since I really need it, to implement AtkComponent interface
[15:21] <kamstrup> jcastro: there's already a python sample in libunity trunk if I remembered to push it
[15:22] <rodrigo_> njpatel, send the coordinates in the sync call?
[15:22] <kamstrup> njpatel: nice code name for the next libunity release :-)
[15:22] <didrocks> jcastro: kamstrup: yeah, next week  :)
[15:22] <jcastro> woo!
[15:23] <jcastro> didrocks: how "extras.ubuntu.com"'-able do you think we can do places?
[15:23] <kamstrup> jcastro: i'm working a bit on cross lang docs as well and there is some progress - i'll have something to show next week prolly, but it wont be pretty... :-)
[15:23] <jcastro> didrocks: I'd like to try having people making tons of them but not worry about distro freezes, etc.
[15:23] <njpatel> rodrigo_, feel free to do it, it would just be sent after we deal with the Sync signal, basically a method on the service like "SyncGeometries", which, in the same order and using the same ids, sends back a struct like { char *entry_id, int x ,int y, int width, int height)
[15:23] <jcastro> kamstrup: maybe I can get you some help there
[15:24] <didrocks> jcastro: I think places can totallly be an extras.ubuntu.com entry
[15:24] <njpatel> rodrigo_, and we can send it when we have multi-monitor support, but for now just sending it after we refresh all the entries would work perfectly
[15:24] <jcastro> didrocks: woo!
[15:24] <didrocks> jcastro: but with the /opt policy… we need to work out something
[15:24] <didrocks> to detect places there
[15:24] <didrocks> not to hard, just we have to think about it
[15:24] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok, so assing that to me, if there's a bug
[15:24] <didrocks> (it's the same issue that I'm discussing for month on .desktop file, dbus service and such…)
[15:24] <njpatel> there isn't a bug, feel free to create one
[15:24] <kamstrup> didrocks, jcastro: yeah, with everything under /opt we need some magic for dbus activation to work no?
[15:25] <tedg> didrocks, Just distro patch it ;)
[15:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: dbus and places ;)
[15:25] <kamstrup> didrocks: from my pov places~=dbus
[15:25] <kamstrup> :-)
[15:25] <didrocks> tedg: ahah! I'll distro-patch my Quickly work and python-* perl foo that I made 3 months ago :)
[15:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: heh, that's true :=
[15:26] <didrocks> jcastro: so in a nutshell, not a biggie, just have to discuss it, can be a post feature freeze discussion though
[15:26] <jcastro> well, if we want people making places we need someplace to put them, and I'd prefer pointing people towards extras than having every Place scattered in different PPAs, etc.
[15:26] <jcastro> didrocks: sounds good to me!
[15:26] <didrocks> jcastro: totally agree on the plan :)
[15:27] <jcastro> ok so post FF we talk "deploying places".
[15:27] <jcastro> high five team, woo
[15:27] <rodrigo_> njpatel, what other stuff do you need the coordinates for?
[15:27] <didrocks> kamstrup: the thing is that it's not just "/opt", it's "/opt/extras.ubuntu.com/<app-name>-<version>/<here, standard Unix FHS>
[15:27]  * didrocks hugs jcastro, thanks for tracking this!
[15:27] <kamstrup> didrocks: oh...
[15:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: hence the "not easy" :-)
[15:28] <kamstrup> didrocks: so they are confined to that dir, and that dir only?
[15:28] <njpatel> rodrigo_, to get rid of the code that sends back the pointer co-ords when a menu is open (for scrubbing, don't ask), so please cache the co-ords when you get them
[15:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: theorically yeah
[15:28] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok
[15:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: so we get the issue with all "well-known directories" like desktop file, dbus, mimetypes…
[15:29] <kamstrup> didrocks: eeeek! that's going to be "funny" for a certain definition of "funny"
[15:29] <didrocks> kamstrup: I'm waving this issue for some weeks already :-)
[15:29] <kamstrup> didrocks: understandably
[15:29] <didrocks> the idea is great, but we need to patch the apps before
[15:29] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, ping
[15:29] <didrocks> and the different caches generated and such
[15:30] <rodrigo_> njpatel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/721322
[15:30] <njpatel> thanks
[15:31] <rodrigo_> njpatel, what milestone should I set it to?
[15:31] <njpatel> rodrigo_, will you be doing it for next week?
[15:31] <njpatel> rodrigo_, 3.4.6 if you are
[15:31] <rodrigo_> njpatel, yes, next week
[15:32] <rodrigo_> although can't seem to be able to set the milestone
[15:32] <njpatel> i'll do it in a bit
[15:34] <didrocks> jcastro: easy bitesize than need advertisement btw: bug #721121
[15:35] <jcastro> oh god yes, finally, ok on it
[15:35] <jcastro> cando_: easy karma ^
[15:37] <cando_> jcastro, uh cool! btw actually i can't hack unity...my compiz crashes...:(
[15:38] <jcastro> smspillaz: nice work.
[15:39] <jcastro> can you get a trace or anything?
[15:39] <jcastro> or is it just doomed for you?
[15:41] <cando_> yeah, i could try!maybe i'm wrong but it's a common problem...i've read in this channel that somebody else has my same problem..
[15:53] <bregma> njpatel, have you started using GEIS v1 for unity yet?
[16:05] <smspillaz> jcastro: nice work on what ?
[16:05] <jcastro> I was just blaming cando_'s compiz problems on you, no worries
[16:05] <smspillaz> oh ok
[16:06] <smspillaz> cando_: what's the problem, you're speaking to the compiz maintainer
[16:07] <cando_> smspillaz, compiz crashes... :)...i can pastebin my /var/crash/<compiz> if you want..
[16:07] <smspillaz> cando_: that would be lovely
[16:08] <aruiz> jcastro, tedg, kenvandine Tarball rolled https://launchpad.net/lo-menubar
[16:08] <kenvandine> aruiz, thx
[16:09] <jcastro> woo
[16:10] <aruiz> note that this is bleeding edge, expect zombie unicorns puking greyscaled rainbows
[16:10]  * aruiz goes to blogpost
[16:10] <cando_> smspillaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/568788/
[16:11] <kenvandine> aruiz, what provides uno_sal
[16:11] <aruiz> kenvandine, oh, yeah, the build deps
[16:11] <aruiz> kenvandine, gimme a sec
[16:12] <kenvandine> thx
[16:14] <aruiz> kenvandine, you need gio-dev, libdbusmenu-dev,  libstlport4.6-dev and libreoffice-dev
[16:14] <kenvandine> thx
[16:14] <aruiz> libglib*-dev that is
[16:15] <aruiz> kenvandine, you know what I mean :-)
[16:15] <kenvandine> yup
[16:15] <jcastro> DBO: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/718880
[16:15] <jcastro> was there a merge request for this or ... ?
[16:16] <DBO> i didn't see one
[16:17] <jcastro> ok I just asked the guy
[16:17] <didrocks> jcastro: DBO: no, he did a brach
[16:18] <didrocks> I'll link to the merge request
[16:18] <didrocks> I approved it, waiting on some paperwork
[16:18] <jcastro> ta
[16:18] <cando_> smspillaz, btw seems that last nux and last unity fail to build: http://paste.ubuntu.com/568792/
[16:18] <jcastro> oh ok, did he do it under ubuntu/ or something?
[16:18] <didrocks> jcastro: no no, he just didn't link the branch, one sec
[16:19] <smspillaz> cando_: erm, right, it is late at night here, should have remembered that /var/crash is essentially just a core dump. Are you able to get a backtrace ?
[16:20] <cando_> with gdb?
[16:20] <cando_> ok
[16:20] <smspillaz> cheers
[16:20] <cando_> trying
[16:23] <jcastro> didrocks: I tried to link it and I get some broken search box in launchpad that doesn't find his branch
[16:23] <didrocks> jcastro: I've done it, maybe a race?
[16:23] <jcastro> that's probably why he didn't link it
[16:24] <didrocks> jcastro: I guested
[16:24] <jcastro> ah, cheers
[16:24] <didrocks> I guess* and commented
[16:24] <didrocks> weird, when I type to quick and compiz is hanging the display, it looses keypress events (like my last sentence)
[16:25] <jcastro> nice, so there's a new contributor, now oliver needs to fix his up and that'll be 2.
[16:25] <jcastro> woo
[16:28] <didrocks> :)
[16:29] <aruiz> tedg, btw, I don't know if you've noticed that gvim doesn't export the menu data (though it hides its main menu)
[16:34] <cando_> smspillaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/568804/
[16:35] <smspillaz> thx
[16:37] <smspillaz> cando_: seems to be a crash in the launcher
[16:37] <smspillaz> that's probably something for DBO to handle ... although he just left ..
[16:37] <cando_> smspillaz, yeah sorry..i've just seen it too..
[16:37] <cando_> i thought it was compiz...
[16:37] <smspillaz> cando_: yeah, the process that crashes is compiz since that hosts the launcher
[16:38] <tedg> aruiz, Hmm, it does for me...
[16:38] <smspillaz> cando_: you said you were compiling unity right? and it crashes ?
[16:38] <tedg> Though, I get no shortcuts... which in a way makes sense.
[16:38] <aruiz> tedg, hmmm
[16:39] <cando_> smspillaz, i can't build it....http://pastebin.com/NDNdaum0
[16:39] <smspillaz> MacSlow: ^
[16:39] <smspillaz> MacSlow: did something not get pushed ?
[16:39] <cando_> smspillaz, anyway, thanks:)
[16:40] <smspillaz> cando_: try updating nux and unity
[16:40] <cando_> nux it's updated and builds....unity it's updated and failed to build....
[16:40] <smspillaz> try doing a make clean
[16:40] <cando_> yeah
[16:41] <kenvandine> aruiz, ok, i got the lo-menubar installed
[16:41] <kenvandine> and i see it listed in the extension manager
[16:41] <kenvandine> oh... LO is blacklisted in appmenu isn't it?
[16:42] <cando_> smspillaz, nope..same error...maybe i'm doing wrong with same env variables and unity doens't find last nux...
[16:43] <aruiz> kenvandine, uh? not that I'm aware of
[16:43] <kenvandine> oh, openoffice was black listed in indicator-appmenu
[16:43] <kenvandine> humm
[16:43] <kenvandine> not getting the appmenu menus
[16:44] <aruiz> eeks
[16:44] <smspillaz> DBO: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/568804/ look familiar to you?
[16:44] <aruiz> kenvandine, are you on that main application with no documents at all?
[16:44] <kenvandine> yes
[16:44] <aruiz> kenvandine, the one after the splash?
[16:44] <aruiz> hah
[16:44] <aruiz> it doesn't work for that window
[16:44] <kenvandine> :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> ok
[16:44] <aruiz> open a document
[16:45] <cando_> smspillaz, i think i got it...my bad...
[16:45] <aruiz> kenvandine, for some reason that window doesn't fire the event I'm subscribed to
[16:45] <aruiz> kenvandine, if you open a document from the file browser or create a new one it should work fine
[16:46] <MacSlow> smspillaz, cando_: looking...
[16:46] <kenvandine> aruiz, no... crashing
[16:46] <MacSlow> smspillaz, cando_: that's not looking right...
[16:46] <kenvandine> creating a new document or opening an existing one crashes libreoffice
[16:46] <kenvandine> ** (soffice:10196): DEBUG: not present
[16:46] <kenvandine> ** (soffice:10196): DEBUG: /com/canonical/menu/94371910
[16:47] <kenvandine> is all the output i get
[16:47] <cando_> MacSlow, maybe i'm doing something wrong..
[16:47] <kenvandine> aruiz, ^^
[16:47] <aruiz> kenvandine, and it crashes?
[16:47] <kenvandine> yup
[16:47] <kenvandine> well, the window flickers for a second and goes away
[16:47] <aruiz> ooookay...
[16:47]  * aruiz has a look
[16:47] <MacSlow> cando_, you're nux looks to be out of date
[16:47] <kenvandine> note this is running from the installed package
[16:47] <MacSlow> cando_, did you pull today?
[16:47] <kenvandine> aruiz, is there a way to get more debugging info?
[16:48]  * kenvandine knows nothing about libreoffice
[16:48] <aruiz> kenvandine, are you in a 64bit machine by any chance?
[16:48] <kenvandine> yes
[16:48] <aruiz> mmm
[16:48] <aruiz> never actually tested it there
[16:48] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:48] <aruiz> okay
[16:48] <MacSlow> cando_, your nux should be at rev 222 or so
[16:48] <kenvandine> well i have a basic package created
[16:48] <kenvandine> need to clean it up a bit before uploading it anywhere
[16:48] <cando_> MacSlow, yep....btw i'm trying again...just a moment...
[16:49] <aruiz> kenvandine, to debug, do gdb /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin
[16:49] <kenvandine> ok
[16:49] <MacSlow> cando_, rev 228 is current
[16:49] <aruiz> kenvandine, installing libreoffice-gdb might help
[16:50] <kenvandine> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[16:50] <kenvandine> 0x00007fffecd85072 in g_atomic_int_exchange_and_add ()
[16:50] <kenvandine>    from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[16:51] <aruiz> backtrace?
[16:51] <kenvandine> i can try to get more info later, better bt with debug packages after lunch
[16:51] <kenvandine> aruiz, want the backtrace i have now without the debug packages?
[16:51] <aruiz> kenvandine, my stuff has the debug information
[16:52] <kenvandine> aruiz, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/568815/
[16:52] <kenvandine> it should be stripped in the package
[16:52] <kenvandine> so probably not :)
[16:52] <kenvandine> i gotta run to lunch though, bbiab
[16:52] <aruiz> uh wow
[16:52] <aruiz> it happens on dbusmenu_server_set_root
[16:53] <kenvandine> tedg's fault
[16:53] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:53]  * kenvandine hides
[16:53] <kenvandine> ok, i am really outta here now
[16:53] <kenvandine> bbiab
[16:53] <aruiz> bye
[16:53] <aruiz> I guess I'll need to setup a 64 bit host
[16:53] <aruiz> damn :)
[16:54] <cando_> MacSlow, yes i've 228...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource but i install unity in /usr/local not /opt/unity...maybe this is the problem?
[16:58] <MacSlow> cando_, hm... where does your $PKG_CONFIG_PATH point to?
[16:58] <MacSlow> cando_, if not set it'll try to grab from /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[17:01] <MacSlow> cando_, if you install it "locally" you can use http://paste.ubuntu.com/568818 to temporarily set your env-vars accordingly
[17:01] <MacSlow> cando_, I use that all the time because during development I don't want to do any "sudo make install"s
[17:02] <MacSlow> cando_, if I mess up I can easily clean up with out blowing up system-wide installed stuff
[17:17] <aruiz> czajkowski, that was fast
[17:17] <aruiz> :-)
[17:17] <czajkowski> aruiz: I do read your blog
[17:17] <aruiz> heh
[17:18] <czajkowski> aruiz: and for the most part you do make sense
[17:18] <aruiz> czajkowski, :-)
[17:18] <jcastro> heh
[17:18] <jcastro> aruiz: are you on 2d or 10.10 in that screenshot?
[17:19] <aruiz> no, 2D on 11.04
[17:19] <aruiz> jcastro, blame nvidia
[17:19] <jcastro> heh
[17:19] <czajkowski> nvidia has a lot to answer for !
[17:19] <aruiz> :-)
[17:19] <aruiz> and AMD too
[17:24] <and471> ronoc, hey, don't know if you remember me but I got libindicate working with vala now
[17:24] <and471> ronoc, (I was having trouble with the vapi files)
[17:24] <and471> ronoc, anyway I can now get soundmenu support
[17:25] <ronoc> and471, ah very good
[17:25] <ronoc> and471, working okay ?
[17:25] <and471> ronoc, nearly
[17:25] <and471> one issue so far
[17:25] <and471> ronoc, the soundmenu play/pause button doesn't change to the pause icon, when a track is playing
[17:26] <and471> ronoc, can you remember which property this is?
[17:26] <cando_> MacSlow, smspillaz , ok fixed...i made some mistakes with local/package install
[17:26] <cando_> thanks for your help
[17:26] <ronoc> and471, the playbackstatus in the metadata hash property on the player interface
[17:28] <and471> ronoc, so http://www.mpris.org/2.1/spec/Player_Node.html#Enum:Playback_Status ?
[17:30] <and471> ronoc, hmm, that is strange, mine seems to be working (it has the same as banshee)
[17:30] <and471> ronoc, maybe it is the dbus propertieschanged signal?
[17:30] <and471> I may need to emit that manually..
[17:30] <and471> I will look at xnoise to see if they do anything special
[17:30] <and471> bbiab
[17:32] <nmarques> kenvandine, ping... E: xchat-indicator 64bit-portability-issue indicator.c:173 - is it worth to submit a patch to fix it ?
[17:33] <ronoc> and471, is the property-changed signal being sent ?
[17:37] <ronoc> Everybody don't do a Natty upgrade at the mo, there is a pending libc issue ...
[17:37] <ronoc> and471, watch for the signal with dbus-monitor
[17:37] <ronoc> quick way of knowing if its going out of not
[17:38] <ronoc> or not even
[17:45] <and471> ronoc, thanks for that, I can now see it isn't being sent out
[17:48] <ronoc> kenvandine, is it okay to leave out the a11y stuff until I get to talk to Luke on Monday morning
[17:48] <ronoc> kenvandine, I have a question or two about the merge
[17:50] <and471> ronoc, ah it seems I have to do a connection.emit_signal(...
[17:50] <ronoc> and471, aha haven't wrote a server in vala yet ...
[18:01] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, is gwibber supposed to allow right click on links in feeds?
[18:04] <lamlex> are we still waiting on nvidia drivers?
[18:10] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, no
[18:10] <kenvandine> ronoc, sure
[18:10] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, k thx
[18:11] <ronoc> kenvandine, will release again early week if needed
[18:11] <kenvandine> sure
[18:12] <bcurtiswx> whats the point of the unity fade-in ? it's kind of annoying
[18:15] <ronoc> kenvandine, -> https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/third/0.6.0
[18:15] <danyR> bcurtiswx: I've the same question. I can't really understand what's the interaction here, or what's it should be doing. either way, it isn't consistent. sometime works, other times just locks my launcher (it doesn't autohide) _S
[18:15] <kenvandine> thx
[18:15] <danyR> confused.
[18:15] <ronoc> np's
[18:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, let me know how it goes, will stay logged in
[18:16] <kenvandine> ok
[18:16] <lamlex> DBO: talk about the launcher fade in :P
[18:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, you will need to test with skype
[18:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, i need to patch mumble next week
[18:16] <DBO> lamlex, what about it?
[18:17] <lamlex> bcurtiswx: whats the point of the unity fade-in ? it's kind of annoying
[18:17] <DBO> lamlex, I agree
[18:17] <DBO> dont ask me
[18:17] <DBO> he needs to poke John Lea
[18:17] <lamlex> that was why I said :P
[18:17] <lamlex> not my clever use of emoticons
[18:17] <lamlex> note
[18:18]  * bcurtiswx wonders who John Lea is
[18:18] <DBO> bcurtiswx, the designer responsible for this abomination of an autohide behavior
[18:18]  * bcurtiswx will hold you to your word "abomination" :P
[18:19] <vish> hmm i wonder why lamalex  lost an "a" ;p
[18:19] <bcurtiswx> whats his nick?
[18:20] <danyR> is there already any app supporting emblems, progress trough icon in the archive? would like to try it out :)
[18:20] <bcurtiswx> progress through icon in a launcher?
[18:21] <om26er> danyR, kenvandine worked for xchat/-gnome support to show pending messages count
[18:21] <bcurtiswx> danyR, he also added the progress bar to the empathy launcher on file transfers
[18:21] <kenvandine> yup
[18:22] <danyR> kenvandine: already released?
[18:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine is a programming machINE
[18:22] <kenvandine> danyR, yeah, in natty already
[18:22]  * danyR goes and installs xchat-gnome, auto sends file to itself
[18:22] <kenvandine> and i've done evolution as well
[18:22] <kenvandine> but it isn't working for some reason
[18:23] <danyR> *himself
[18:23] <kenvandine> danyR,you need xchat-gnome-indicator as well
[18:23] <kenvandine> ronoc, are the 3 bugs listed on the 0.6.0 release page fixed in this release?
[18:23] <kenvandine> 2 of them are still marked as in progress
[18:25] <kenvandine> nmarques, patches welcome :)
[18:30] <danyR> sending a file to myself is too fast for me to be able to see the progress. dig the new notifications, though
[18:33] <kenvandine> :)
[18:33] <kenvandine> danyR, use a bigger file :)
[18:33] <kenvandine> i used isos for testing
[18:35] <kenvandine> ronoc, that voip stuff in the sound menu is sweet!
[18:37] <danyR_> ups, compiz crashed. any idea on how to get my display number from a VT (for compiz --replace)
[18:37] <kenvandine> DISPLAY=:0.0 compiz --replace
[18:38] <om26er> i read in a bug report 'super' key will open dash, but atm it shows the launcher is that suppose to change?
[18:38] <danyR_> kenvandine: I tried something similar, but it isnt working. my X is running on VT 8
[18:46] <ubuntu__> so, could I get a ping?
[18:56] <ronoc> kenvandine, first question yup,
[19:01] <bcurtiswx> voip in sound menu?
[19:02] <bcurtiswx> sound preferences doesn't work for me
[19:03] <ronoc> kenvandine, oh
[19:03] <ronoc> kenvandine, sorry bcurtiswx really ?
[19:04] <ronoc> bcurtiswx, which the menu item doesn't bring up the g-v-c
[19:05] <bcurtiswx> yeah the sound icon, going to sound preferences does nothing, whats the terminal command to bring that window up.. could be an issue i can fix
[19:05] <bcurtiswx> ronoc, ^^
[19:05] <ronoc> bcurtiswx, gnome-volume-control
[19:05] <ronoc> weird
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> found the problem
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> had a gnome3 package still installed
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> gnome-media
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> got that fixed
[20:21] <nmarques> tedg, LP#721491
[20:29] <jcastro> If you're on natty right now please don't upgrade
[20:29] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/721469
[20:29] <jcastro> FYI
[20:29] <spikeb> thanks for the info
[20:54] <rr0hit> Is it OK if I mark bug 721447 as bitesize bug ?
[21:36] <tareth> DBO, I have something for you!
[21:39] <tareth> DBO, https://code.launchpad.net/~mrasmus/unity/launcher-action-state-work/+merge/50398
[21:40] <DBO> ooooooooooo
[21:40] <DBO> tareth, you got me a pony!
[21:40] <DBO> just what I always wanted
[21:41] <tareth> It's a pretty unusual pony though
[21:41] <DBO> does it do one trick?
[21:42] <tareth> Yes. But I'll let that be a surprise... :)
[21:43] <DBO> will review shortly
[21:43] <tareth> Okay!


[02:35] <isiah> hi all, I am back after 2 years
[04:03] <Ted_> hi, I was hoping I could ask what seems like a pretty simple question
[04:04] <Ted_> I've successfully created a live USB to boot from on my Intel MacbookPro
[04:05] <Ted_> is there a way for me to actually install ubuntu on this stick though?  It's 16 gb, and it's currently formatted FAT using diskutility on my mac
[04:05] <Ted_> Every time I've tried, I get various errors
[04:05] <Ted_> I just want to be able to load the drive using ReFit and boot it as if it was an internal partition
[04:09] <Unit193> You can either do a !persistent install, or check the docs at !mactel
[12:11] <Culiforge> 11.10 & 10.04, trying to mount nfs shares to client (10.04) went through how-to and it worked first time. Now when I attempt to remount I get mount.nfs: mount system call failed.
[20:40] <isiah> a simple way to change wallpapers
[20:44] <philipballew> isiah, 12.04?
[21:06] <isiah> i got it
[21:07] <isiah> wallch is working fine
[21:11] <philipballew> cool isiah !


[02:04] <mate|76642> does this channel offer tech support for ubuntu?
[03:45] <mate|56973> Hi.. I am on Ubuntu mate 18.04 with bcm43142 as WiFi card
[03:45] <mate|56973> Have bcmwl-kernel-source installed
[03:46] <mate|56973> But WiFi is not detected, there is no list of WiFi connections
[03:47] <mate|56973> Antony ?
[03:47] <mate|56973> Anyone ?*
[09:31] <yannisgk> hello guys&girls...do you know how i can contribute to the "wine" application???
[09:36] <con> Hi ,I have been having a problem down loading updates...it tells me "failed to load repository information...how can I fix this problem...Thanks...
[09:36] <diogenes_> yannisgk, type in this chat: /j #winehq
[13:19] <tazemt76> Greetings, all.
[13:20] <tazemt76> Is there any protocol that I need to observe here before I can ask a questions or may I just jump right in?
[13:23] <alkisg> tazemt76: you ask
[13:23] <alkisg> !ask
[13:23] <alkisg> tazemt76: some time an answer comes in a few mins, sometimes in a few hours, sometimes... it doesn't :)
[13:24] <tazemt76> Thank you for the heads up!  Greatly appreciated!
[13:24] <alkisg> So, shoot!
[13:25] <tazemt76> The starwars screensaver in Mate doesn't scroll any text for me, except the info that it hasn't any text.  Where would one begin looking to figure out a fix for that?
[13:26] <tazemt76> I am currently reading up on XML and the xscreensaver site but I am finding that X11 is throwing a monkey wrench in the whole works.
[13:27] <alkisg> starwars screensaver? i don't see that in my mate 18.04, is it an additional package you've installed?
[13:27] <tazemt76> And just to give you some background on me, I have no background in computers, but I am reading and learning.
[13:27] <tazemt76> It is.  The "extra screensaver" option in Welcome.
[13:28] <alkisg> Ah ok, I don't use welcome because it's in "snap"
[13:28] <alkisg> I purge snapd right after the installation,  Idon't like it :)
[13:29] <tazemt76> <----- (adds to To Do List:  Read up on snaps.)
[13:30] <tazemt76> I thought I'd heard the good thing about snaps are that they update automatically.
[13:35] <tazemt76> Gotta run.  Take care, everybody!


[06:28] <tonyFlury> i have my code on launchpad in a simple hierarchy for development purposes - how do i get launchpad to build a deb which can be downloaded by others and installed ?
[06:29] <tonyFlury> or do i have to build the deb myself - based on a daily/weekly build off my own machine ?
[06:30] <geser> tonyFlury: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes
[06:33] <tonyFlury> geser - now i need someone to translate that lot into english - it made no sense to me how i specific which file in my code branch goes into which directory on the installation target machine
[06:38] <tonyFlury> geser - is there an example build recipe that i can use as a basis for my recipe ?
[06:40] <geser> you need two parts: a) a debian/ directory with those packaging files to build a deb from a source package and b) a recipe to build a source package from your bzr branch
[06:41] <geser> for a) you could take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide for how packaging works (and what all those files in debian/ do)
[06:42] <geser> and for b): I didn't work with recipes yet myself, so I don't know if there are any good examples
[06:42] <tonyFlury> ok - i am not sure i understand to be honest - I can build a deb on my local machine - but I can't work out (admitedly i have skim read it) how the recipie specifies which file to put where
[06:43] <tonyFlury> so i create my deb directory - and upload it to launchpad (as a specific branch to my project) ?
[06:44] <geser> the recipes just builds a source package from your bzr branch (e.g. when you commit a new revision), then the source package gets build by the PPA buildds
[06:45] <geser> it's like you would upload a source package for your new revision youself to your PPA, just automated
[06:45] <wgrant> tonyFlury: The recipe tells Launchpad to combine branches in a certain way to create a Debian source package.
[06:45] <wgrant> The Debian source package needs to specify where to put the files. That's where the Packaging Guide that geser linked comes in.
[06:45] <wgrant> You still need normal Debian packaging; recipes just automate regular builds.
[06:46] <tonyFlury> wgrant: thanks - i think i need an actual example of how it actually works in practice - i.e. a working recipe and package directory ....
[06:49] <tonyFlury> presumanbly you build the deb directory with empty files with the same names as the actual files in your source code - and the recipe will then replace the files with the actual contents
[06:52] <wgrant> tonyFlury: Recipes don't go near that part of the build.
[06:52] <wgrant> That's all the source package, which is Launchpad-independent.
[06:53] <tonyFlury> ok - then i am lost completely :-(
[06:53] <wgrant> tonyFlury: It's best to start with the packaging guide, ignoring recipes until you have something working locally.
[06:53] <wgrant> Recipes are a layer on top of that.
[06:53] <tonyFlury> i know how to build packages locally - had that working already
[06:54] <wgrant> How did you do it?
[06:55] <tonyFlury> i built a directory - with some control files - and then a tree under there with each file in it's correct place in the tree
[06:55] <wgrant> Ah
[06:55] <wgrant> Sounds like you manually built a binary package.
[06:55] <wgrant> Which there's no reason to ever do :)
[06:55] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't accept binary package uploads; you need to create a source package that Launchpad can use to create binary packages.
[06:55] <tonyFlury> well - when you work with Python there is no difference between a source and binary
[06:56] <wgrant> There often is (eg. C extensions)
[06:56] <tonyFlury> I am not asking launchpad to upload a binary package.
[06:56] <wgrant> And binary packages don't always contain binaries.
[06:56] <wgrant> It's a Debian packaging term.
[06:56] <wgrant> A source package takes the original source tree and produces a deb
[06:56] <wgrant> The deb traditionally being called a binary package.
[06:57] <geser> tonyFlury: if you want to have a deb ready for downloading on Launchpad, then LP has to build that deb for you (for your PPA)
[06:57] <tonyFlury> yes - I know - what in does - i don't understand how it works ...
[06:57] <tonyFlury> and the guide does not give examples
[06:59] <wgrant> You need to follow the packaging guide to produce a source package such that you can run 'debuild' locally to produce a deb
[06:59] <tonyFlury> i can do that ....
[06:59] <wgrant> Recipes are a step after that, so just ignore that they exist for now
[07:00] <tonyFlury> well ignoring them wont help when i want to produce a daily build for my project that others can download and install
[07:00] <tonyFlury> which i want to be able to do in the next few weeks - ignoring the complicated stuff is not an option -
[07:00] <wgrant> Do you have a .dsc?
[07:01] <wgrant> It's not complicated.
[07:01] <tonyFlury> no - i haven't
[07:01] <wgrant> It just requires that you have a source package first.
[07:01] <wgrant> So not ignoring it now is silly, as you can't do anything with recipes yet.
[07:01] <tonyFlury> and to understand the badly written guide - that assumes you know what you are doing anyway
[07:02] <tonyFlury> wgrant - even if i had a source package which i can use to locally install - the recipe guide still makes no sense
[07:02] <wgrant> It makes sense when you know how source packages work.
[07:03] <wgrant> Recipes just combine branches to create a source package.
[07:03] <tonyFlury> wgrant - I see no point in explaining yet again that i do - that i have built them before
[07:03] <wgrant> They don't do packaging for you.
[07:03] <wgrant> tonyFlury: AFAICT you've manually *binary packages* (debs), not a source package.
[07:04] <wgrant> Regardless of content, a deb is radically different from a source package.
[07:04] <wgrant> A deb is a final installed tree of files with a little bit of metadata
[07:04] <wgrant> A source package specifies how to create that tree.
[07:04] <wgrant> A recipe specifies how to create the source package.
[07:04] <geser> tonyFlury: so you have a working debian/rules file (and other files in debian/)?
[07:04] <tonyFlury> wgrant: thanks for trying to help - but i think you and i are getting confused about what each other are saying
[07:05] <tonyFlury> geser - i can have one for my project in the next hour - as I have said repeatedy build a locally installable deb for my python project is not complicated
[07:05] <wgrant> It doesn't matter if it's complicated.
[07:06] <wgrant> All that matters is if you have a source package, consisting of a debian/ directly with rules, control, etc. in it.
[07:06] <wgrant> That can produce that deb.
[07:06] <geser> tonyFlury: once you have that, you can start worrying about recipes (as recipes need that debian/rules file in the end)
[07:06] <tonyFlury> the point is that i can do it .... yes - assume that i have - and if i don't right now i can in a few hours
[07:06] <wgrant> You need to do that first.
[07:06] <wgrant> Before you can understand what recipes do.
[07:07] <wgrant> Recipes aren't going to make much sense if you're thinking about them in terms of manually building a deb.
[07:07] <wgrant> Because that's not what they do.
[07:07] <tonyFlury> um - believe it or not - I am able to understand stuff by reading .... and i wasn't thinking of them building the deb
[07:07] <wgrant> You just said you *couldn't* understand the guide.
[07:08] <tonyFlury> but hey ho - i will hack it about until it works - or I find an English version
[07:08] <tonyFlury> wgrant - the guide is appalling - it does not actually explain anything - it works on the basis that you already know - ah well
[07:09] <tonyFlury> never mind -
[07:09] <wgrant> That's not a very useful complaint.
[07:10] <tonyFlury> wgrant: it is a valid complaint - there needs to be a guide which actually explains stuff - not an expert reminder.
[07:10] <wgrant> Which guide are you talking about?
[07:10] <wgrant> The packaging guide starts right from basics.
[07:10] <tonyFlury> I am talking about the recipe guide on launchpad
[07:10] <wgrant> Don't look at that yet.
[07:11] <wgrant> It won't make sense until you know what a source package is.
[07:11] <wgrant> Which you do not.
[07:11] <tonyFlury> wgrant: Please stop telling me not to do things
[07:11] <tonyFlury> bye all -
[07:11] <tonyFlury> quit
[07:11] <wgrant> wtf
[07:12] <czajkowski> wgrant: morning :)
[07:12] <wgrant> Hi
[10:30] <io> is there any way to edit an answer on lp?
[10:30] <io> (that you've written)
[10:33] <czajkowski> io: no
[10:50] <io> czajkowski: is that intentional?
[11:23] <czajkowski> io: yes
[11:32] <io> czajkowski: what's the reason for that?
[11:34] <czajkowski> io: not sure I'm sure it's the same logic that stops people going in and editing answers from others and changing information on bugs as well.
[14:43] <askhl> Hi.  Where can I find an overview of the keyboard shortcuts for Launchpad translations?  I can't seem to find it in the guide or google
[14:50] <askhl> Okay, I found them by googling 'Adi Roiban [the guy who implemented them] keyboard shortcuts', but they don't seem to be working, generally speaking.  So never mind
[16:32] <stokachu> hi, who can i talk to about getting a branch made private
[16:33] <czajkowski> stokachu: me
[16:33] <stokachu> czajkowski: may i pm you?
[16:33] <czajkowski> sure
[17:11] <czajkowski> stokachu: that branch is now private
[17:45] <stokachu> czajkowski: great thank you again
[17:46] <czajkowski> stokachu: np
[18:01] <alo21> hi all
[18:02] <alo21> Can I link a project to a team?
[18:03] <matsubara> alo21, you can set a team as the maintainer of the project
[18:03] <alo21> matsubara: could you tell me how?
[18:05] <matsubara> alo21, go to the project home page, look for the maintainer field and click the yellow edit button
[18:05] <matsubara> it should be under Project Information
[18:06] <alo21> matsubara: done..
[18:07] <alo21> matsubara: if i work in bug managment in a specific project
[18:07] <alo21> will my karma linked with the team which is the maintainer?
[18:09] <matsubara> alo21, IIRC, karma is per person only, not for teams, so setting the team as the maintainer won't have any effect on your karma
[18:09] <alo21> matsubara: what does it mean: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-it-magazine/+karma
[18:10] <alo21> matsubara: this page shows me total karma of that team
[18:12] <matsubara> alo21, it shows 0 to me. is that what you see?
[18:13] <matsubara> it's likely to be bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/547113 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/422335
[18:13] <alo21> matsubara: yes... I see 0
[18:14] <matsubara> alo21, so, that's it. basically the +karma page for teams doesn't show anything useful at the moment which is related to the bugs above
[18:15] <alo21> matsubara: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-accomplishments-system/+topcontributors
[18:15] <alo21> here you can see a specific karma in that project
[18:16] <alo21> matsubara: Can i use it in a programme with API?
[18:19] <matsubara> alo21, I think the only karma information exported through launchpad's API is for a person. you probably can get the total karma of your team members and do some fancy stuff with it but the calculation would need to be done by your application. Look at https://launchpad.net/+apidoc for information about the API
[18:20] <alo21> matsubara: I have seen it yet, thanks
[18:20] <matsubara> np
[19:53] <stokachu> when doing branch merges from a proposal how are we supposed to keep original commit messages to show up in the merge?
[20:15] <dobey> stokachu: the original commits will be merged in, when you do bzr merge. the new revision you commit will include them, and you can view them with bzr log -r $NEWREV -n 0 if you want
[20:47] <stokachu> dobey: ah ok thanks
[23:38] <kirkland> howdy!  anyone around who can help me with a new commercial launchpad subscription?


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