[11:04] <head_victim> And the integration begins!
[11:50] <elros> integrate with respect to x
[11:51] <head_victim> Integration into official Ubuntu-ness
[11:53] <head_victim> + [cjwatson] Add Lubuntu to cron.germinate (should be deployed by wgrant between 17 and 20 June): DONE
[12:14] <chiiiiiz> hello!!!!
[12:15] <chiiiiiz> I have tested all flavours of Ubuntu, Lubuntu is the lastest (and I think my favourite one). There is only  thing I miss: the icon of the  mounted CD or DVD
[12:15] <chiiiiiz> Is there a way to have them, with Openbox?
[12:15] <bioterror> icon on desktop?
[12:16] <chiiiiiz> yes, but only CD and DVD and removable USB... not my auto-mounted fstab partitions
[12:16] <chiiiiiz> I have read that Openbox was fully customisable... must be possible, no?
[12:19] <bioterror> I'm not following
[12:22] <chiiiiiz> bioterror: I do not want any application shortwuts on my desktop, only a CD icon or a USB drive icon with the name of the volume... only when there are mounted CD or USB
[12:24] <bioterror> openbox does show you filed in ~/Desktop
[12:24] <bioterror> if I remember right pcmanfm is used for that
[12:25] <szczur> bioterror, i remember that nautilus in gnome shown mounted usb and cd drives as icons on desktop
[12:25] <szczur> pcmanfm doesn't do that at the moment i think
[12:25] <bioterror> does lubuntu use rox filer then?
[12:25] <bioterror> I cant remember :D
[12:26] <bioterror> cant use
[12:26] <bioterror> :D
[12:26] <bioterror> rox is so old and outdated
[12:32] <chiiiiiz> no, lubuntu uses pcmanfm... and I can indeed have my ~/Desktop files shown... but as szczur says, I would like (if possible) to have this kind of Nautilus behaviour
[12:33] <bioterror> maybe some beautiful day
[12:33] <bioterror> you just have to use pcmanfm for those
[12:34] <bioterror> on my desktop computer I have to navigate with thunar to to /media/ folder everytime I want to access my drives that are described to automount in fstab. such is life ;)
[12:35] <chiiiiiz> ok... something else.... Where can I specify the default application for the DVD playing... The default app menu only specifies the mail client and the browser
[12:41] <bioterror> dunno, my laptop doesnt have cd/dvd-drive
[12:43] <chiiiiiz> ok thanx
[12:52] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Anyone here?
[12:52] <bioterror> 40 + you ;)
[12:52] <bioterror> how can we help?
[12:52] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Heh. wasn't sure if everyone's lurking.
[12:53] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I'm using Lubuntu 10.04.2 LTS and finding that Chromium is saying that my Flash isn't up-to-date.
[12:53] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> When I follow the onscreen instructions, it tries to do some sort of apt: plugin and makes a popup window that doesn't do anything except display my home page.
[12:54] <bioterror> that needs MOTU skills!
[12:54] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's like it doesn't know how to handle the protocol that Adobe is serving up.
[12:54] <bioterror>  MOTU's have not kept the repository up-to-date regarding the flashplugin
[12:54] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I don't know what MOTU's are.
[12:54] <bioterror> !motu | OswaldGlinkmeyer
[12:55] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> So i should just wait until someone notices that the plugin needs to be updated and then get it the next time I install updates?
[12:56] <bioterror> I'm thinking about what to do with that
[12:57] <bioterror> maybe report it on launchpad
[12:58] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I took a peek at the forums and I see a few people who have had issues, but it was several weeks ago, and the instructions they were given weren't clear to me.
[12:58] <bioterror> can you show us the url for that discussion?
[13:00] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767746 but this guy is redirected to a thread I don't know which one, and otherwise suggested a thread for 64-bit which I don't know if it applies.
[13:01] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767683&highlight=flash is the other one (64-bit)
[13:01] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> One suggestion is to move to Chrome from Chromium.
[13:01] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's also referring to Chrome not Chromium
[13:04] <bioterror> are you using 64bit, OswaldGlinkmeyer
[13:04] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> In the package manager there are a couple of Flash-looking things that aren't checked, and I wonder if I should use those and see.  No, 32-bit here.
[13:05] <bioterror> how did you install your flash?
[13:05] <bioterror> you downloaded a file from adobes site or what?
[13:05] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> In package manager I see adobe-flashplugin (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) checked.
[13:05] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I don't know how I got it originally.
[13:06] <bioterror> hmm
[13:06] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's just been working until now.
[13:06] <bioterror> 10.10 has: Version: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:06] <bioterror> OswaldGlinkmeyer, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[13:07] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Yeah, I see that one in the package manager just above the one that's checked.
[13:07] <bioterror> yep
[13:07] <bioterror> that's correct package
[13:07] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Is apt-get any better than the Synaptic?
[13:08] <bioterror> I prefer it
[13:08] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Or is one just a front-end for the other?
[13:08] <bioterror> synaptic is front-end for it
[13:09] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> OK, apt-get is running
[13:10] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's removing the old version.
[13:10] <bioterror> good
[13:11] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> OK, no warning message now when I go to flash site.
[13:11] <bioterror> there you go
[13:11] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> thanks. I think that did it.
[13:12] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> gotta go.  thanks again.
[13:12] <bioterror> np, laters
[15:26] <imacalcutt> Is the alpha program being updated or should I wait for the alpha 2 release? I tried to run the alpha 1 program from the cd but was unsuccessful.
[15:47] <phillw> imacalcutt: what problem did you have with the alpha1?
[15:49] <imacalcutt> when I put in the cd and rebooted my computer, it just booted normally without recognizing the cd
[15:50] <phillw> use terminal to check the md5sum on the cd
[15:54] <phillw> dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=311335 | md5sum
[15:55] <phillw> that should give you the checksum as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[15:55] <imacalcutt> so you are telling me that it should have started properly?
[15:55] <phillw> it sould, if your bios is set to boot 1st from cd
[15:56] <imacalcutt> I have since thrown out the cd and deleted the download
[15:56] <imacalcutt> It is
[15:56] <imacalcutt> I will give it another go
[15:56] <imacalcutt> thanks for the info
[15:57] <phillw> if the torrent is slow, the direct load is off my server and may be faster.
[16:00] <imacalcutt> okay. thanks
[16:15] <phillw-virtual> hmm, quite painless :) Now running 11.10 a1 :D
[17:07] <phillw> ;topic Welcome to #lubuntu || Please use #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat  ||  Lubuntu 11.04 is available via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu (please use the torrent feed).  || Always follow the channel guidelines.
[17:07] <phillw> ;part #lubuntu
[18:07] <leszek> hi
[19:14] <beef-supreme> anyone on?
[19:14] <bioterror> sure
[19:14] <beef-supreme> hey
[19:14] <beef-supreme> whats up? :D
[19:14] <bioterror> wwatching tv
[19:15] <beef-supreme> i'm recording my dad's video casettes to hdd
[19:16] <beef-supreme> what desktop environment do you use?
[19:19] <bioterror> actually none atm. ;)
[19:19] <beef-supreme> window manager?
[19:20] <elros> lxde is the way
[19:20] <bioterror> laptop has openbox with tint2 and desktop is using windowmaker crm
[19:20] <beef-supreme> bioterror, openbox w/ tint2 is what i'm using
[19:20] <beef-supreme> i had to install lubuntu
[19:21] <beef-supreme> because ubuntu ties everything to gnome and unity
[19:21] <beef-supreme> and ubuntu minimal just wont work
[19:24] <bioterror> unity is less of my concerns. I just cant stand plymouth
[19:26] <beef-supreme> well lubuntu uses plymouth too
[19:32] <elros> beef-supreme: you can first install lubuntu-core, then the programs you want to use, install debfoster, remove ubuntu-desktop and run debfoster
[19:33] <elros> it runs trough every installed package and checks its dependencies: for example mozilla-vlc keeps vlc and its libs in place if you use that
[19:33] <beef-supreme> i installed lubuntu and removed lubuntu-desktop, lxde-desktop
[19:33] <beef-supreme> mostly everything i could remove
[19:34] <elros> just a caution: if you don't know what a package does, it's safer to keep it
[19:35] <elros> this is more important in debian because ubuntu-minimal & ubuntu-standard have lots of necessary deps
[19:38] <beef-supreme> does anyone here use xmobar?
[19:44] <bioterror> xmonad stuff
[19:45] <Unit193> Awesome isn't too bad once you get the hang of it
[19:47] <silverarrow> I have trouble reading an external harddisk in lubuntu
[19:47] <silverarrow> ...and adding, anything really
[19:47] <silverarrow> it is detected
[19:50] <bioterror> Unit193, not taking part in this ;)
[19:51] <silverarrow> how do you use a separate hard drive in  lubuntu?
[19:51] <bioterror> silverarrow, but what?
[19:51] <silverarrow> I cannot read or add anyting to the hard drive
[19:51] <bioterror> what if you mount it by hand
[19:51] <bioterror> what does it say?
[19:51] <silverarrow> it's a 320GB separate hard drive, 7200 rmp
[19:52] <silverarrow> how do I do that?
[19:52] <bioterror> silverarrow, Unit193 will assist you ;)
[19:53] <silverarrow> unit193?
[19:54] <Unit193> silverarrow: Can you open pcmanfm awith gksudo and write to it?
[19:56] <silverarrow> hmm, on no, not the terminal window
[19:56] <silverarrow> oh*
[19:57] <Unit193> It doesn't work or you don't like the terminal?
[19:58] <silverarrow> I am really crap with the terminal window
[19:58] <silverarrow> : (
[19:58] <silverarrow> I can't even read it
[19:58] <bioterror> use alt+f2 then
[19:58] <silverarrow> I have no trouble with USB flash drives on this computer
[19:59] <Unit193> Mounting via fstab might do it
[19:59] <silverarrow> hmm, no such file or directry
[20:00] <Unit193> You hit alt+f2 typed in   gksudo pcmanfm   ?
[20:01] <silverarrow> hmm, permission denied
[20:03] <Unit193> If it opened, go to the place where it was mounted. pcmanfm did open?
[20:03] <silverarrow> harddisk is detected as ST932056 20AS in disk utilities
[20:05] <silverarrow> it seems I only get the internal hard drive then
[20:05] <silverarrow> it doesn't read periohiral devices
[20:05] <silverarrow> peripheral
[20:06] <bioterror> is it ntfs drive?
[20:06] <silverarrow> maybe external hard drives for extra storage isn't a good idea in lubuntu?
[20:06] <silverarrow> a what?
[20:07] <silverarrow> I'm not shore about the filesystem,
[20:07] <silverarrow> I haven't done a thing to it
[20:07] <silverarrow> ntfs is windows?
[20:07] <Unit193> silverarrow: Can you type   sudo fdisk -l   into the terminal?
[20:08] <Unit193> ntfs is mostly used by windows
[20:08] <bioterror> Unit193, I prefer nowdays 'sudo blkid'
[20:08] <bioterror> gives exact information
[20:08] <silverarrow> [sudo] password for silverarrow:
[20:08] <silverarrow> Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>76 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
[20:08] <silverarrow> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> Disk identifier: 0x0009444c
[20:09] <silverarrow>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[20:09] <silverarrow> /dev/sda1   *           1       38783   311521280   83  Linux
[20:09] <silverarrow> /dev/sda2           38783       38914     1047553    5  Extended
[20:09] <silverarrow> /dev/sda5           38783       38914     1047552   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[20:09] <Unit193> Oh crap...
[20:09] <silverarrow> Disk /dev/sdb: 320.1 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>64 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
[20:09] <silverarrow> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
[20:09] <silverarrow> Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition
[20:09] <silverarrow> no good?
[20:09] <bioterror> haha
[20:09] <bioterror> I wonder why
[20:10] <Unit193> If he has nothing on it, he could just format it
[20:10] <silverarrow> please do put me straigh
[20:10] <silverarrow> straight
[20:10] <bioterror> silverarrow, if that drive is unused, format it with disk utility
[20:10] <elros> install gparted
[20:10] <silverarrow> hmm
[20:11] <silverarrow> I did try and add a picture to it in windows 7 just for test
[20:12] <silverarrow> but it's all new, not used for anything really
[20:12] <elros> you just committed a misdemeanor by saying "windows 7"
[20:12] <elros> :)
[20:12] <bioterror> elros, njaeh, he could have said "OS X"
[20:12] <elros> "windows vista" is a felony
[20:12] <Unit193> silverarrow: If you need/want to use it on windows, you will have to format it in a format it can read
[20:13] <Unit193> elros: +1! That is crapsta...
[20:13] <bioterror> bs
[20:13] <bioterror> vista is good
[20:13] <bioterror> no problemos
[20:13] <silverarrow> what?
[20:13] <elros> just hijacking your help with microsoft jokes
[20:14] <silverarrow> lol
[20:14] <silverarrow> I'm just not used to hard drives for external storage
[20:15] <silverarrow> I have this idiot proof thing for back up, all automatic
[20:16] <silverarrow> ok will format,
[20:16] <bioterror> use FAT32
[20:16] <bioterror> and your windows will understand it too
[20:16] <silverarrow> thanks
[20:16] <bioterror> ExFAT is coming!
[20:16] <bioterror> I heard that's propietary fs
[20:16] <elros> vfat = fat32
[20:17] <silverarrow> this is getting difficult
[20:17] <elros> silverarrow: install gparted, it has a gui
[20:17] <silverarrow> ...getting gparted
[20:18] <elros> after that, run it with 'sudo gparted'
[20:18] <szczur> bioterror, i don't think that FAT32 on 320GB HDD is the sign of sanity :P
[20:18] <bioterror> oh y eah
[20:18] <bioterror> true dat :D
[20:18] <szczur> NTFS works without problems nowadays on both linux and windows
[20:18] <bioterror> yeah, 3G
[20:18] <elros> hey, you have 4gb filesize limit with fat32
[20:18] <bioterror> hahaha
[20:18] <elros> remember that
[20:18]  * bioterror takes coat
[20:19] <Unit193> gksudo!
[20:19] <bioterror> but I like my girls like I like my filesystem!
[20:19] <Unit193> elros: It's not good to run GUI apps with sudo, use gksudo
[20:19] <bioterror> my #1 dslr uses Fat16 ;)
[20:19] <elros> you can launch a terminal and then run sudo gparted
[20:20] <Unit193> !gksudo
[20:20] <elros> of course, alt+f2 'gksudo gparted' is better
[20:20] <silverarrow> you are messing with me?
[20:20] <bioterror> or gksu!
[20:20] <elros> or is there a difference?
[20:21] <phillw> gksu == gksudo (it's a link)
[20:21] <bioterror> symlink
[22:03] <linuxman410> hi anyone here
[22:04] <linuxman410> i have  question about lubuntu
[22:04] <bioterror> !ask | linuxman410
[22:05] <linuxman410> my question is how come lubuntu lxde will install on my laptop but fedore lxde requires 640 megs of ram
[22:09] <linuxman410> is lubuntu as secure as the other distros
[22:09] <leszek> it should be
[22:10] <leszek> I don't know why fedora lxde needs 640 mb of ram, thats seems to be an odd number anyways
[22:10] <leszek> -s
[22:11] <linuxman410> leszek is it secure enough for banking and paying bills
[22:11] <leszek> linuxman410 why shouldn't it be ?
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> leszek: to install ?
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: ssl (https) == secure enough for banking
[22:12] <linuxman410> just asking
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: most people who claim a live CD is "more secure" do not understand security =)
[22:12] <leszek> :)
[22:13] <leszek> the question is how you define security or "secure"
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> not really leszek
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> ;P
[22:14] <linuxman410> bodhi_zazen i am going to install lubuntu 11.04 since fedora 15 lxde will not install
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: nothing wrong with lubuntu
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> but just for my info, did you try adding a swap partition ?
[22:15] <linuxman410> yeah still no go
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> shame
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> well, they are working on a fix, but probably not until F16
[22:16] <bioterror> whata's the problem with swap?
[22:16] <bioterror> ahhh fedora
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> bioterror: nothing, it is a Fedora 15 problem with the installer
[22:16] <linuxman410> i know i really like fedora but if i cannot install it i will cross over to lubuntu
[22:16] <bioterror> make swap partition, give it swapon and add it fstab
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> I am stalking linuxman410 as he asked in #fedora and I noticed the nick here ;P
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: install F14
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> and upgrade
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> preupgrade works fantastic in fedora
[22:19] <linuxman410> that is ok lubuntu is almost installed now and the i just have to update it
[22:22] <linuxman410> lubuntu just got another user
[22:22] <phillw> :)
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> lubuntu is a nice distro, I only mentioned fedora as you mentioned that was your first choice
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> If you are new to linux, ubuntu is better at hand holding =)
[22:26] <linuxman410> well now i have a new first choice
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> My first choice is always the one that runs on my hardware ;P
[22:26] <linuxman410> i am not a newbie i have been using linux since 1995
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> Sweet
[22:27] <linuxman410> my first os was mandrake
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> What distro did you use in '95 ?
[22:28] <linuxman410> mandrake
[22:28] <bioterror> bs
[22:28] <bioterror> first mandrake was based on rh 5.1
[22:29] <Heinz_L_Maennche> i read about ubuntu 11.04 haing problems with power consumption...
[22:29] <Heinz_L_Maennche> does lubuntu 11.04 have those issues as well?
[22:29] <Heinz_L_Maennche> because i would like to upgrade to 11.04
[22:31] <linuxman410> bioterror so i cannot remember
[22:31] <linuxman410> it has been a long time
[22:34] <linuxman410> got it it was debian 2.0
[22:35] <linuxman410> then mandrake
[22:36] <linuxman410> it took 3 days to download iso image of debian 2.0 on dial up
[22:36] <phillw> Heinz_L_Maennche: I've not read too much on power consumption, but at least one person has said they get much longer battery life with lubuntu. I've not compared them, so cannot deffinately say. Easiest way is to try it out :)
[22:37] <linuxman410> i still have the burned cd of first distro
[22:38] <Heinz_L_Maennche> phillw, i do know that lubuntu is better at saving battery...but my question is, if 11.04 wastes more power than 10.10
[22:38] <linuxman410> i have downloaded so many versions i have boxes of cds
[22:38] <Heinz_L_Maennche> since i read about some bug in the kernel they could not fix yet...
[22:39] <phillw> Heinz_L_Maennche: I have not seen any chatter on the mailing list for Lubuntu 11.04 concerning increased power usage.
[22:40] <Heinz_L_Maennche> phillw, ok...thank you :-) i'll test it myself then...if i run into something i'll let u guys know
[22:41] <phillw> Heinz_L_Maennche: that is always the best way. The guy I saw quoting had nearly an extra hour with using the lubuntu variant.
[22:41] <bioterror> maybe he found out how to lower screen brightness, it does magics ;)
[22:41] <phillw> just be aware that the screen saver is known to 'eat' energy!
[22:43] <Heinz_L_Maennche> yeah...i had an equal experience with 10.10...it does indeed need much less power than ubuntu/xubuntu and of course Kubuntu...
[22:44] <Heinz_L_Maennche> bioterror, yeah^^ display really eats battery...even a small netbook screen
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> bioterror: linuxman410 ran into this Fedora bug : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Installation_requires_more_memory
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> nasty ;P
[22:46] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: ouch! nasty :/
[22:46] <linuxman410> i am a member of one of the ubuntu teams and proud of it
[22:47] <bioterror> even the cheapest netbooks comes with 4GB nowdays :P
[22:48] <Heinz_L_Maennche> linuxman410, you can...ubuntu is a great distro...i run it on most of my mashines...but on my netbook i think i might switch to lubuntu because of the batteryLife
[22:48] <phillw> and there's us moaning at ubiquity needing 160 - 192MB of RAM :P
[22:48] <bioterror> phillw, indeed
[22:49] <linuxman410> oh yeah lubuntu would run good on a netbook
[22:50] <linuxman410> i am running ubuntu with unit on main machine it has 1.5 gig of ram
[22:50] <linuxman410> unity
[22:50] <Heinz_L_Maennche> the only thing i kind of dislike is that lubuntu looks a lot like kde when u first start it^^ but since u can customize it^^
[22:51] <Heinz_L_Maennche> well...unity is still a little uncustomizable for my taste...but i am positive ubuntu will improve on that...i really like how the titlebar fits into the top panel
[22:51] <Heinz_L_Maennche> but i would like to use another dock than the build in
[22:52] <Heinz_L_Maennche> or at least move the build in dock to the buttom
[22:53] <linuxman410> i bought a cheap laptop of ebay has a p4 2.2 celeron and 384 ram got it for 54 dollars
[22:54] <linuxman410> it is running lubuntu now
[22:54] <phillw> it should be quite happy with lubuntu on that spec :)
[22:59] <linuxman410> phillw lubuntu is running great
[23:00] <phillw> I'm biased, but I really like it. It has taken everything I've thrown at it :)
[23:01] <linuxman410> i like the fact 11.04 comes with xchat already installed
[23:01] <bioterror> tell it on the mailing list


[08:26] <leagris> Hello!
[08:26] <AlanBell> hi leagris
[09:12] <leagris> I feel concerned and worried about current and upcomming changes in Ubuntu that affect accessibility.
[09:13] <leagris> As a visually impaired, I strongly rely on compiz with enhanced zoom ezoom feature controlable with mous wheel and <super> modifier.
[09:14] <leagris> Since natty, the default controls for ezoom where reset to a disabled default.
[09:14] <leagris> The needed mouse tracking was default to 40ms which is way too jercky
[09:15] <leagris> I partly solved the above issues with ccsm, re-establishiing the controls with mouse and keyboard and lowering the mouse tracking to 2ms
[09:16] <leagris> But the Unity desktop still steal the <super> modifier key so I can not control ezoom zooming level while holding <super> and wheel <button4/5>
[09:16] <AlanBell> leagris: yeah totally agree, a load of the useful keybindings have just been turned off
[09:17] <leagris> The Unity thing is advertised as a replacment for classic desktop in next upcoming ubuntu releases
[09:17] <leagris> I feel very worried about that.
[09:17] <AlanBell> yes, the idea is to have unity 3d and unity 2d
[09:20] <AlanBell> where is the mouse tracking setting leagris? I can't see it in ccsm
[09:20] <leagris> that and the advertised removal of synaptic in favour of the less controllable software-manager are major worrying changes.
[09:21] <leagris> AlanBell, Utility → Mouse Position Polling
[09:22] <leagris> Third row in first column of the Utility section inside CCSM
[09:23] <leagris> the setting is Mouse poll interval
[09:23] <leagris> currently at 8 with acceptable low jitter
[09:23] <leagris> the default 40 is way too long
[09:23] <AlanBell> yeah that does make things smoother
[09:24] <leagris> Before natty the default was 10
[09:24] <leagris> someone decided that change for some unknown reason
[09:25] <AlanBell> yeah, I was meaning to find out how these settings are decided
[09:26] <AlanBell> I think the mouse poll interval should probably relate to the screen refresh rate
[09:27] <leagris> AlanBell, yes it should, or to save some CPU cycles it should be put at a reasonable frequency
[09:28] <AlanBell> gah, thanks to the Americans laptop screens have a 60Hz tick
[09:28] <leagris> 40ms in an ezoomed environment makes it difficult tu track anything on screen due to the jumpy effect.
[09:28] <leagris> s/tu/to
[09:29] <AlanBell> I actually found 40ms to be OK, I thought it was just my graphics card and big screen causing a slight lack of smoothness
[09:29] <AlanBell> but having turned it to 2ms I can see that is smoother
[09:29] <AlanBell> I expect 2ms is going to be a performance problem on some hardware though
[09:30] <leagris> the smoothing is much noticeable on a CRT that has no delay
[09:31] <leagris> Vsyked changes on a CRT is the most smooth setting available :)
[09:31] <leagris> VSynked
[09:31] <AlanBell> yeah
[09:31] <AlanBell> 10ms wasn't chosen by accident
[09:31] <AlanBell> it is 6 frames at 60hz and 5 frames at 50hz
[09:32] <leagris> Sure, and why has it changed to default 40 in Natty. I really wonder.
[09:32] <AlanBell> conspiracy or cockup is the question
[09:33] <leagris> lol,
[09:33] <AlanBell> it might be in response to a performance issue on weak hardware, in which case it probably stays there by default
[09:33] <AlanBell> or it could have been done by accident
[09:34] <leagris> My guess this is a red light on the need for disabled user to  voice louder about their needs at Ubuntu :)
[09:35] <AlanBell> to be fair though, the mouse polling setting isn't really an accessibility specific thing, it probably makes all sorts of plugins less smooth
[09:35] <leagris> I fear compiz is seen as some gimmick for most healthy geeks and CEO there
[09:36] <AlanBell> not really, aesthetic design is considered important these days, thanks in part to Apple
[09:36] <AlanBell> and unity is built on compiz
[09:37] <AlanBell> and yeah, they broke it quite a bit when putting it together
[09:38] <leagris> The poor zooming tool in Windows7 is what took me away from it even when pressured to that environment du to job requirements
[09:39] <AlanBell> do you want text cursor tracking in ezoom?
[09:40] <leagris> I dream of that feature AlanBell with some options to enable disable, track timing and panning speed
[09:40] <AlanBell> it is on my todo list
[09:40] <leagris> as for example I wouldn't want my screen panning abruptly while typing and the cursor reaching end of a line
[09:42] <leagris> Currently I disable zoom panning/tracking of active window as it is an annoyance having the pointer and zoom area changing because of some modal or other popup thing
[09:43] <AlanBell> what should it do at the end of a line?
[09:43] <leagris> this is Focus Tracking in ezoom. I find it quite inconvenient
[09:43] <leagris> at least I disable fitting zoom level at focus change
[09:45] <leagris> AlanBell, at a guess if the cursor jump whatever direction some small amount, the zoom area should follow instantly and conveniently with some tunable smoothness
[09:46] <leagris> if the cursor move some more than limit, a short delay then an accelerating move would be nice.
[09:48] <leagris> This would let eyes accomodate the fact, that the cursor moved far away, (let si it has moved out of here), then the accelerateing panning would help the eyes guess the direction and no relative position.
[09:48] <AlanBell> ok
[09:49] <leagris> I guess these should be a settable preference as needs may vary between users
[09:50] <leagris> someone may prefer instant position change, someone else may like some more delay or some other limit on defining small/big position change
[09:51] <leagris> this probably needs some try/error/tune before having proper settings
[09:52] <AlanBell> I think that should be do-able
[09:52] <leagris> AlanBell, if you can develop this you are my divinity :)
[09:55] <leagris> AlanBell, seriously, if ou take time and work for this. It is so important I'd happily contribute testing and sponsor your work with real funds. Not so much sure but hope to cover some hard developer work hours.
[09:57] <leagris> AlanBell send me an email lea dot gris at noiraude dot net or a message via launchpad
[09:58] <leagris> https://launchpad.net/~lea-gris
[10:00]  * leagris take a break
[15:03] <leagris> I got to go, thanks all especially AlanBell


[02:34] <andrewski> hello.  i'm trying to report a bug for ubuntu, but i'm not sure which package it should go under, and clicking on "choose package" gives me an error.  (i already reported a bug on that.)  does anyone know the generic package name to file bugs under?
[04:45] <purserj> Umm, I'm sure its a known problem but for the last couple of days when I've gone to file a bug and hit the Choose link it returns an error
[09:24] <sivang> morning all
[11:04] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  add incoming email interface to the support tracker, making it possible to add comments via email. (r3127: Bjorn Tillenius)
[11:04] <sivang> wohoo BjornT_
[11:05] <sivang> BjornT_: can it now send email notification to team's MLs when a new support request is filed?
[11:06] <BjornT_> sivang: not yet, but it will be possible soon.
[11:07] <sivang> BjornT_: so for now, only incoming email interface. kool
[11:09] <BjornT_> sivang: actually, there is outgoing email as well, but the notification is sent only to subscribers. so the only thing left is to add so that teams can be automatically subscribed to new tickets, just as is done for bugs.
[11:11] <sivang> BjornT_: ah, I see. so it's almost finished. That is problably something stub has to add in the DB?
[11:13] <BjornT_> sivang: no, it's something i have to add UI for :), well there are some db changes as well involved, but stub only has to approve the db-patch.
[11:14] <sivang> BjornT_: okay, thanks for the elaboration :)
[11:28] <ulinskie> hello got a problem
[11:28] <ulinskie> hello can anybody help me regarding the changing the theme in the wiki thru UserPreferences, mine always says password does not match even if it is already correct
[11:29] <ulinskie> I have already reset the password and did it again but still failure with my attempt
[11:29] <ulinskie> did I miss any step along the way?
[11:30] <mdke> ulinskie, does your browser remember the password and insert it automatically for the UserPreferences page?
[11:31] <mdke> if so, delete that and tell it not to
[11:31] <ulinskie> yes it does.. but I already cleared the password settingin firefox
[11:32] <mdke> and it still happens?
[11:33] <mdke> if you tell firefox not to insert the password, it should be ok
[11:35] <ulinskie> hmm did that but still not working
[11:37] <mdke> odd
[11:37] <mdke> perhaps one of the LP admins can check your password, if there is one around
[11:40] <ulinskie> mdke, yeah, I've been trying this for 3 weeks now
[11:40] <BjornT_> ulinskie: did you enter your password in the password field?
[11:40] <ulinskie> I am thinking of creating another account in lp just to check out if the problem works only in my account
[11:40] <ulinskie> BjornT_, yes sir
[11:40] <mdke> ulinskie, try clearing all your cookies/cache/saved passwords (or using a different browser)
[11:41] <ulinskie> mdke, I did that too and even used IE
[11:41] <mdke> gosh that is a drastic measure
[11:41] <mdke> ok, must be a LP problem I guess
[11:41] <BjornT_> ulinskie: ok, don't do that ;) you should leave the password field empty, it's a known bug.
[11:42] <ulinskie> BjornT_, oic..
[11:42] <ulinskie> BjornT_, have there been other cases like this?
[11:43] <BjornT_> ulinskie: yes, you're not the first one. bug 3987 is about this problem.
[11:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3987 in launchpad "Launchpad wiki UserPreferences causes mismatched passwords" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3987
[11:43] <ulinskie> Ubugtu, thanks
[11:44] <jsgotangco> its a bot :)
[11:46] <ulinskie> jsgotangco, hehe...
[11:48] <mdke> oh nice catch
[11:56] <ulinskie> thanks
[11:56] <ulinskie> gtg
[12:04] <rob> hi, something odd is going on with my launchpad accound
[12:05] <rob> I had it all set up, I've signed the Code of Conduct, am a ubuntero etc, but none of it is showing up
[12:05] <rob> I wonder if I have more then one account?
[12:07] <rob> hmm looks like I do
[12:09] <rob> for some odd reason I also have one for my @ubuntu.com email address
[12:09] <rob> and its all messed up
[12:15] <BjornT_> rob: you can merge the two accounts
[12:15] <rob> how?
[12:16] <BjornT_> rob: log in with the account you want to keep, then go to https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge and follow the instructions.
[12:18] <rob> hmm, some error in the search page
[12:18] <rob> OOPS-42B357
[12:18] <Ubugtu> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/42B357
[12:18] <rob> ?
[12:22] <BjornT_> rob: hmm, your search probably timed out. enter the email address directly and see if that works.
[12:22] <rob> OOPS-42D403
[12:22] <Ubugtu> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/42D403
[12:22] <rob> I got that one when adding the email address for the other account
[12:23] <rob> does that thing above mean thats its been reported already?
[12:24] <BjornT_> hmm, the one to talk to is salgado. matsubara, do you know if salgado is coming in today?
[12:24] <matsubara> BjornT_: no, he's not coming
[12:26] <BjornT_> rob: if you're referring to what Ubugtu says, it's just a way for us to easily get a more detailed report of the error. although, i think this has been reported before.
[12:26] <rob> I thought that might be the case, I'll hold off reporting it in that case
[01:07] <kiko> good morning
[01:12] <kiko> mdz, still up?
[01:13] <matsubara> BjornT_: Is it possible to mark a dupe using the malone email interface?
[01:13] <matsubara> kiko: morning
[01:27] <matsubara> kiko: can I reject bug 31138?
[01:27] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31138 in malone "Apply Ubuntu Scheme to Launchpad.net" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31138
[01:28] <kiko> matsubara, well, even brown would be better than blue..
[01:29] <matsubara> isn't launchpad supposed to be distribution agnostic?
[01:30] <kiko> indeed it is
[01:31] <matsubara> kiko: applying ubuntu scheme to launchpad would reinforce the idea that launchpad is a ubuntu thing.
[01:31] <matsubara> s/ubuntu/ubuntu only/
[01:31] <kiko> maybe.
[01:31] <kiko> I don't think it is worth rejecting off the bat yet
[01:32] <matsubara> kiko: ok, I'll confirm, change it to launchpad wishlist and assign to mpt then. He'll know how to properly answer. what do you think?
[01:32] <kiko> sounds good
[01:43] <BjornT_> matsubara: no, it's not possible to mark dupes using the email interface yet. it will be possible in the future, though, just have to find time to do it. or you want it badly, feel free to take on bug 5190 :)
[01:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 5190 in malone "Malone Email UI Should Support "duplicate" Command" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5190
[02:10] <kiko> uhm
[02:10] <kiko> has anyone ever noticed how many queries we issue here:
[02:10] <kiko> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/2006-02-09/A547
[02:10] <kiko> -- ?
[02:10] <kiko> SteveA, you should take a look at that.
[02:56] <sivang> hi people, kiko  matsubara
[02:56] <kiko> hey sivang
[03:00] <matsubara> hi sivang
[03:22] <Martolod> hello everybody !
[03:22] <Martolod> is there an admin here ?
[03:24] <SteveA> BjornT_: hi
[03:24] <kiko> hey Martolod -- what's up?
[03:24] <kiko> hey steve
[03:24] <BjornT_> hi SteveA
[03:24] <SteveA> BjornT_: about mark's query, what are we doing about allowing people to file bugs via email without being gpg signed?
[03:24] <SteveA> kiko: what do you think?
[03:25] <SteveA> I think we should allow that, and I'd like to be able to tell mark that it is underway.  But I want to hear what you think first.
[03:25] <kiko> I don't know
[03:25] <kiko> and I honestly don't care very much
[03:25] <kiko> I think we have larger fish to fry
[03:25] <kiko> if you think it should be allowed, go for it
[03:26] <kiko> if we get spammed or impersonation occurs we can reconsider
[03:26] <SteveA> okay
[03:26] <SteveA> BjornT_: your opinion?
[03:27] <SteveMyers-Debug> morning guys/gals
[03:28] <BjornT_> kiko: yes, i reply to kiko's mail saying that we should allow it.
[03:28] <SteveA> ok
[03:28] <SteveA> i'll reply to you and mark
[03:28] <kiko> cool.
[03:28] <kiko> mark mailbombed us overnight
[03:36] <Martolod> kiko, hello
[03:38] <Martolod> kiko, i would like to create a "Breton team translation" in the gnome translation project
[03:38] <kiko> Martolod, you should talk to carlos or jordi, or use the rosetta-users mailing list.
[03:39] <Martolod> here : https://launchpad.net/rosetta/groups/gnome-translation-project/
[03:39] <Martolod> ok
[03:39] <Martolod> Are you here jordi ?
[03:51] <kiko> probably not -- the mailing list is your surest bet during the weekend, Martolod
[03:51] <Martolod> kiko, it's not urgent ;)
[03:51] <kiko> that's okay -- but if you don't email, it will probably NEVER get done :)
[03:52] <SteveMyers-Debug> anyone got an idea on how long it takes to build the deb debug for the linux kernel ?
[03:52] <kiko> SteveMyers-Debug, build the deb debug?
[03:52] <Martolod> kiko, i will do it
[03:53] <SteveMyers-Debug> deb_build for debugging the program
[03:53] <SteveMyers-Debug> sorry just woke up
[03:53] <kiko> SteveMyers-Debug, sounds like a #ubuntu-devel problem :)
[03:53] <SteveMyers-Debug> hehe
[03:54] <SteveMyers-Debug> I'm debugging it, but it's going longer than I expected
[03:54] <SteveMyers-Debug> thanks for the channel kiko
[04:05] <andrewski_> i'm trying to sign the ubuntu code of conduct, but i'm getting an error: "str: no public key."  i followed the instructions on setting that up on the ubuntu wiki; does anyone have ideas what i missed?  (i can paste the output of gpg --clearsign if that would help.)
[04:05] <kiko> andrewski_, has your public key been pushed to a keyserver?
[04:06] <kiko> andrewski_, if so, has it been recently altered and then repushed?
[04:06] <kiko> if so, has it been recently pushed?
[04:06] <kiko> if not, could you push it, wait 30 minutes, and retry?
[04:06] <andrewski_> kiko: hmm, good question.  i did push it to the ubuntu keyserver, but i just noticed that 'gpg --fingerprint' prints two public keys, so maybe that's it?
[04:06] <andrewski_> (i have no idea how two got there.)
[04:06] <kiko> what is your key id?
[04:07] <andrewski_> that's the 8 digit one?
[04:07] <kiko> that should suffice
[04:07] <andrewski_> one is C562D424, the other 84AE0EC0.
[04:12] <kiko> andrewski_, the first one is not in they keyservers
[04:12] <kiko> the second one is
[04:12] <kiko> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x84AE0EC0
[04:14] <kiko> andrewski_, is 931E 54F7 FE0A A02F 157E  C7CF 7C20 CB2E 84AE 0EC0 what you pasted into the form?
[04:14] <kiko> and also
[04:14] <kiko> oh
[04:15] <kiko> is your key not registered in launchpad?
[04:20] <andrewski_> kiko: h/o, i'll check.
[04:21] <kiko> cool
[04:21] <kiko> I need to skip out but either follow up to launchpad-users or bug SteveA
[04:21] <andrewski_> hmm, did i paste the wrong thing?  i pasted 1024D/84AE0EC0
[04:22] <kiko> where?
[04:22] <andrewski_> it's listed as a valid key in launchpad
[04:24] <SteveA> hi andrewski_
[04:24] <SteveA> i'll read up the scrollback
[04:24] <andrewski_> hi SteveA :)
[04:26] <SteveA> andrewski_: what can i help with?
[04:26] <SteveA> you have a gpg key listed in launchpad
[04:26] <SteveA> and on the keyservers?
[04:27] <andrewski_> SteveA: that's good; i'm not sure if it's on the keyservers or not, but it is in launchpad.
[04:28] <andrewski_> ultimately, i was just trying to sign the code of conduct, but it says "no public key".
[04:29] <SteveA> have you done gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys 84AE0EC0  ?
[04:29] <andrewski_> yeah, a few days ago.
[04:29] <andrewski_> should i do it again?
[04:31] <SteveA> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x84AE0EC0
[04:31] <SteveA> it is there
[04:31] <andrewski_> oh, cool.  (didn't know you could do that. :)
[04:31] <SteveA> are you sure you're signing the CoC with that exact key?
[04:32] <andrewski_> no; i have two listed when i do 'gpg --fingerprint'; i'm not sure how the second one got there, but i only need one.
[04:32] <SteveA> what command are you using to sign the CoC ?
[04:33] <andrewski_> gpg --clearsign
[04:33] <SteveA> the full command?
[04:33] <andrewski_> gpg --clearsign Desktop/UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.0.txt
[04:33] <SteveA> ok
[04:34] <andrewski_> shall i paste the .asc file?
[04:34] <SteveA> when you do gpg -K, do you get one or two keys back?
[04:34] <andrewski_> two
[04:34] <SteveA> ok
[04:34] <andrewski_> is it possible to get rid of one?
[04:34] <SteveA> so you have two secret keys there
[04:34] <SteveA> if you're sure you want to
[04:35] <SteveA> have you used gpg for signing or encrypting anything else?
[04:35] <SteveA> or has anyone else sent you stuff gpg encrypted?
[04:35] <andrewski_> no, they're dated for the feb 7 and 8. :)
[04:35] <andrewski_> maybe i forgot that i had already done it? ^_^
[04:35] <SteveA> ok, do like this
[04:36] <SteveA> gpg --edit-key 84AE0EC0
[04:36] <SteveA> you will be at a prompt like ">"
[04:36] <SteveA> you're editing your main key here
[04:36] <andrewski_> ok
[04:36] <andrewski_> :P
[04:37] <SteveA> ok
[04:37] <SteveA> ctrl+d to quit that
[04:37] <SteveA> we'll do this instead...
[04:37] <andrewski_> ok
[04:37] <SteveA> vim ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[04:37] <SteveA> or
[04:37] <SteveA> whatever editor you prefer
[04:38] <andrewski_> vim's good. ;)
[04:38] <SteveA> what do you have in that file
[04:38] <SteveA> ?
[04:38] <andrewski_> plenty
[04:38] <andrewski_> lots of commented stuff.
[04:38] <SteveA> do you have a line saying default-key that is not commented out?
[04:38] <andrewski_> no, that line is commented too.
[04:38] <SteveA> ok
[04:39] <SteveA> so uncomment it so that it becomes
[04:39] <SteveA> default-key 84AE0EC0
[04:39] <SteveA> oh, hang on...
[04:39] <SteveA> yes
[04:39] <SteveA> that's right
[04:39] <andrewski_> ok, one sec.
[04:40] <andrewski_> ok... now resign the code of conduct?
[04:40] <SteveA> yes, try that
[04:40] <SteveA> it should use the key you want now
[04:41] <andrewski_> aha!  that did it!
[04:43] <SteveA> great
[04:44] <andrewski_> and i can just delsig in the interactive editor to delete the other key?
[04:44] <SteveA> i don't know
[04:44] <andrewski_> ok, looks that way from the manpage.
[04:44] <SteveA> i try not to advise people on how to delete stuff, other than to tell them to keep backups"!
[04:44] <andrewski_> yeah, i think i'll back it up first, just in case. :)
[04:45] <andrewski_> in any case, thanks for the help.
[05:10] <mdke> duplicate bugs don't get their status changed when the bug they are duplicates of is fixed?
[05:11] <SteveA> i duplicate is considered closed
[05:11] <mdke> shouldn't it be marked as rejected then?
[05:11] <mdke> as it is, when I mark a bug as a duplicate, it remains open
[05:12] <mdke> at least the status doesn't change
[05:12] <SteveA> i'm confused now
[05:12] <SteveA> can you mail launchpad-users about this?
[05:13] <SteveA> at the very least, we probably want to clean up the UI, if not the underlying model
[05:13] <mdke> yes, ok
[05:15] <SteveA> thanks
[05:15] <SteveA> aha
[05:15] <SteveA> wrong window
[05:16] <SteveA> i meant to "aha" somewhere else
[05:16] <sivang> SteveA: did you get my last PM before you disconnected? sorry if it was too long ...
[05:17] <SteveA> sivang: maybe not.  i was having a problem where 1/3 of my screen was covered in what i later found out is some kind of mutant model firefox window
[05:17] <SteveA> caused by having a basic auth pop-up on a different virtual desktop
[05:18] <sivang> mutant model firefox windows...YOu need to bug Diziet :)
[05:18] <SteveA> who is Diziet?
[05:18] <sivang> iwj - Ian Jackons :)
[05:18] <sivang> Sorry, he's usually logged using iwj in here, and Diziet on the distro channel
[05:19] <SteveA> if i can reproduce it, i will
[05:19] <sivang> are you dapper y any chance?
[05:19] <SteveA> i think it was a freak occurence
[05:19] <SteveA> no, still breezy
[05:19] <SteveA> the fix is for firefox to have pages, not dialogs
[05:19] <SteveA> i believe there's a mode or patch or plugin for it
[05:20] <sivang> ah, in dapper I already get those - minus the SSL cert approval
[05:20] <sivang> everything else, 404s, etc are pages now instead of pop ups
[05:25] <sivang> SteveA: would you like a repaste of what I PM'd you?
[05:26] <SteveA> assume i didn't receive it when you sent it.  if it's still important, then okay
[05:26] <sivang> SteveA: okay, let' shope it's not too much waste of bits :)
[06:36] <BjornT_> mdke: re duplicate bugs. you might want to look at bug 3796 and https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DuplicateBugHandling
[06:36] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3796 in malone "Duplicated bugs still show up as New in a list of bugs (also affects the Latest bugs portlet)" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3796
[07:17] <matsubara> SteveA: around?
[07:50] <SteveA> matsubara: hi
[07:50] <matsubara> hi SteveA, could you review a patch to bug 2496?
[07:50] <Ubugtu> malone bug 2496 in launchpad "Launchpad blows up if you try to use non-ascii characters in your password" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2496
[07:57] <SteveA> ok
[07:58] <matsubara> SteveA: I'll send it to you.
[07:59] <matsubara> SteveA: sent.
[08:03] <SteveA> matsubara: we need to use a specific str.encode() kind of thing, rather than str(), as str() will guess the encoding based on the system default of iso-latin1
[08:03] <SteveA> so, it is allowing latin1 characters through, i expect
[08:03] <SteveA> which will be confusing
[08:04] <SteveA> but also
[08:04] <SteveA> rather than adding try-except in many places, add a function to lib/canonical/encoding.py
[08:05] <SteveA> this function will return a boolean
[08:05] <SteveA> something like is_plain_ascii(some_string)
[08:06] <SteveA> and this would have its own inline doctest
[08:08] <matsubara> SteveA: ok
[08:35] <matsubara> SteveA:  why when I do this: ''.encode('ascii') it raises a UnicodeDecodeError instead of a UnicodeEncodeError?
[08:54] <phiber_optic> is there a way to delete an account?
[09:36] <AlinuxOS> hello, I have a question: how can I see .po files statistics...? I mean translated fuzzy etc etc?
[09:57] <SteveA> matsubara: compare ''.encode and u''.encode
[09:57] <SteveA> matsubara: the first is a method on str, the second is a method on unicode
[09:58] <SteveA> if you try to encode from ''.encode('ascii'), first of all python needs not a str but a unicode to work with
[09:59] <SteveA> so it does unicode('')
[09:59] <SteveA> which gives you the UnicodeDecodeError that you're seeing
[09:59] <SteveA> this is an area where Python tries to pretend that str and unicode are the same, and implicitly fudges over it
[10:00] <SteveA> but, as you can see, this causes confusion and problems when you have literal strings that aren't pure ascii
[10:00] <SteveA> in launchpad, and in zope3 in general, we try to be much more careful about the distinction between str and unicode
[10:00] <SteveA> so, the functions in canonical.encoding will take either a str or a unicode, but not both
[10:00] <SteveA> and they will emit always unicode or always str
[10:02] <matsubara> well, I have the changes you suggested. Wanna take a look?
[10:03] <matsubara> SteveA: also, the canonical.encoding has a function commented on it, should I get rid of it ?
[10:03] <SteveA> matsubara: did someone leave a comment saying why it is commented out?
[10:03] <SteveA> matsubara: i'm pretty tired, so not at my best to focus on code.  can you mail it to me, and i'll look tomorrow?
[10:04] <matsubara> SteveA: ok, i'll mail to you. and no, there's no reason why the code is commented out.
[10:04] <SteveA> ok
[10:04] <SteveA> maybe use bzr annotate to find out who did it?
[10:05] <SteveA> i'll review your code tomorrow
[10:06] <matsubara> SteveA: ok, thanks.
[10:18] <sivang> night SteveA :)
[10:51] <elmo> NOTICE: launchpad and other Canonical hosted services are going down in 10 minutes, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000049.html for more details
[10:51] <mdke_> good luck elmo
[11:49] <SteveMyers> hmm, site down or is it just me?
[11:49] <SteveMyers> getting a directory list here
[11:57] <lifeless> mm
[11:58] <lifeless> let me see
[11:58] <lifeless> ah
[11:58] <lifeless> datacentre maintenance
[12:00] <SteveMyers> oh ok


[04:15] <RikMills> mparillo: thanks. going to sort those later I hope
 think we are good to go
[17:51] <RikMills> and we are out
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1517196788654120960
[18:57] <valorie> \o/
[18:57] <valorie> retweeted


[03:53] <daveb272> hello?
[08:56] <Bassetts> is it a bug if cpu scaling does not work?
[10:42] <Bassetts> would someone be able to check my report?
[10:42] <Bassetts> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Lenovo3000C200_8922AZG
[10:44] <simira> Bassetts: all standard installations should work from the box. Anything else is a bug. Please check carefully if there's a bug on it from before!
[10:44] <Bassetts> ok
[10:44] <simira> also put in "OK" or something on everything that works
[10:45] <Bassetts> theres another model of c200 with a few different bits of hardware, and the author put cpu scaling as a yes so i am not too sure
[10:46] <Bassetts> i put yes for all that worked
[10:47] <simira> check with the other person then, if it really works or not
[10:47] <Bassetts> i have emailed them
[10:48] <Bassetts> i ran the command on the wiki under the FAQ and got "cpu scaling not supported"
[10:49] <Bassetts> /etc/init.d/powernowd: 156: cannot create /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0//cpufreq/scaling_governor: Directory nonexistent
[10:49] <Bassetts>  * CPU frequency scaling not supported
[10:50] <simira> then it's probably not a bug
[10:50] <Bassetts> ok
[10:51] <Nailor> The other computer is using Core 2 Duo, which has a scaling support
[10:51] <Nailor> I'm not that sure Celeron-M has one
[10:51] <Bassetts> ok
[10:51] <Bassetts> thanks
[10:51] <Bassetts> Nailor, you helped me out last time right
[10:54] <Nailor> =)
[10:54] <Nailor> There's propably something that can found just by googling for celeron-m and scaling governors.
[10:54] <Bassetts> thanks mate, me and the author of the other model both agreed to make seperate reports as the networking and cpu differences
[10:54] <Nailor> I'm just guessing it could be the problem
[10:54] <Nailor> Ok :)
[10:54] <Nailor> And in this case it's propably worth it :)
[10:55] <Bassetts> well his wlan worked out of the box, i had to use ndis
[10:55] <Bassetts> the first google result is to do with a lenovo notebook :P
[10:56] <Nailor> The other has Intel chipset?
[10:56] <Nailor> Apparently yes
[10:56] <Nailor> The broadcom chip is a bit of a problem :P
[10:57] <Bassetts> worked fine
[10:58] <Bassetts> just used the lenovo drivers for xp
[10:58] <Bassetts> sometimes it wont connect but i just disable and enable the wlan and try to reconnect and it works
[10:58] <Nailor> yeah.
[10:58] <Nailor> However, the ndiswrapper isn't the cleanest solution
[10:58] <Bassetts> it works, im happy
[10:58] <Nailor> There exists some reverse engineered broadcom drivers, dunno do they apply on that one
[10:59] <Nailor> Yeah :)
[10:59] <Nailor> If it works, don't fix it they say
[10:59] <Bassetts> I say fix it till it breaks
[11:00] <Nailor> That's a new one :D
[11:00] <Bassetts> but not for this as i really heavily on my internet connection =p
[11:00] <Bassetts> *rely
[11:03] <Bassetts> i think thats enough for today
[11:04] <Nailor> Should get sleep soon too. :p
[11:04] <Bassetts> got about an hour til bed
[11:04] <Nailor> Where do you live?
[11:04] <Bassetts> but i have done enough laptop testing and learning how to package for today
[11:04] <Bassetts> UK
[11:04] <Nailor> Oh.
[11:05] <Nailor> I'm stationed in Finland
[11:05] <Bassetts> cool
[11:06] <Bassetts> <3 scandanavia
[11:07] <Nailor> =)
[11:07] <Nailor> Have you been here?
[11:07] <Bassetts> most of my favourite music comes from there
[11:08] <Bassetts> sadly, no =(
[11:08] <Bassetts> but i am only 17 so i have plenty of time to get there
[11:09] <Bassetts> every heard of Machinae Supremacy
[11:11] <Nailor> Sure
[11:11] <Nailor> I'm not that keen fan of those, but I some of their songs
[11:11] <Bassetts> <3 them
[11:11] <Bassetts> Arch Enemy also
[11:11] <Nailor> Dunno about the latest album, I haven't heard it :)
[11:12] <Bassetts> redeemer?
[11:12] <Nailor> Haven't heard. :p
[11:13] <Nailor> ..the Arch Enemy
[11:13] <Bassetts> =O
[11:13] <Nailor> And yeah, the Redeemer.
[11:13] <Bassetts> wikipedia it
[11:13] <Nailor> Googled it already =)
[11:13] <Bassetts> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_enemy
[11:14] <Bassetts> lol
[11:14] <Bassetts> <3 death metal
[11:14] <Nailor> How about Children of Bodom?
[11:15] <Bassetts> not heard much of, but i like what i heard
[11:15] <Nailor> I've seen those live twice
[11:15] <Bassetts> nice
[11:15] <Nailor> Again, I'm not that keen fan but they're ok live =)
[11:15] <Bassetts> arch enemy would be scary live, having a women with a deeper voice than any man i know
[11:21] <Nailor> I used to listen a lot more metal than I do nowdays :P
[11:24] <Bassetts> i settled down a bit but i have been listening to more lately
[11:26] <Bassetts> Nailor, you think i could get cpu scaling working?
[11:28] <Nailor> Dunno, depends is there support for Celeron-M
[11:30] <Bassetts> its non speedstep i think
[11:30] <Bassetts> oh well