[00:30] <timrc> mwhudson, belated thx :)
[07:50] <rick_h__> jcsackett: http://blog.pault.ag/post/15698933492/json-vim-love
[09:01] <rick_h__> wallyworld_: https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/fix_lp.js/+merge/88316
[09:28] <wgrant> bigjools: Is the copy notification stuff really meant to delete the job from the DB?
[09:28] <bigjools> wgrant: YES
[09:30] <wgrant> k
[09:59] <rick_h__> deryck: https://pastebin.canonical.com/58012/
[10:26] <huwshimi> deryck: If you have a minute I wouldn't having a quick chat about some ideas to fix one part of the title widths
[10:27] <deryck> huwshimi, ok, in a bit.  just fixing qa issue.
[10:27] <wallyworld_> huwshimi: deryck is with uncle ian, FO
[10:27] <huwshimi> deryck: No problems. Whenever you have a minute
[10:27] <huwshimi> wallyworld_: :(
[10:27] <wallyworld_> huwshimi: just messing with you
[10:28] <huwshimi> wallyworld_: :)
[10:52] <StevenK> rick_h__: https://launchpad.dev/gnome-terminal/+milestone/foo/+edit
[11:01] <rick_h__> StevenK: http://yuiblog.com/sandbox/yui/3.2.0pr1/examples/yui/yui-loader-ext.html
[11:32] <huwshimi> deryck: Not sure if you want to review this before I land it: https://code.launchpad.net/~huwshimi/launchpad/bug-listing-two-line/+merge/88350
[11:35] <deryck> huwshimi, yeah, I'll look quickly.
[11:36] <huwshimi> deryck: Cheers mate
[11:36] <deryck> huwshimi, r=me, but please use ec2 to land.
[11:37] <huwshimi> deryck: No problems. Thanks
[11:41] <lifeless> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/915267
[11:42] <_mup_> Bug #915267: bug heat flames are expensive to calculate <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/915267 >
[11:43] <lifeless> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/915269
[11:43] <_mup_> Bug #915269: bug heat aging compromises search performance <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/915269 >
[11:44] <cjwatson> I know it's thunderdome week, but would anyone have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/archive-copy-packages-source-series/+merge/87942, please?  I'd like to minimise any further havoc caused by accidents with that method
[13:34] <jml> is there a way in the UI to see all source packages in a PPA?
[13:34] <jml> never mind
[17:19] <timrc> any plans for making ppas buildable with derived distributions?
[21:06] <mwhudson> gasp, lifeless is not on the channel
[21:15] <spm> mwhudson: by implication of the photo that lynne put up that poolie took; lifeless has been asleep all week.
[21:16] <mwhudson> i haven't seen that one
[22:30] <lifeless> timrc: its not currently on the roadmap, but it was something we know we need to consider
[22:31] <lifeless> timrc: OEM shouldn't need it though, they can use derived distros directly
[22:32] <timrc> lifeless, we have packages that  build in ppas and my understanding is that they point to the latest ubuntu archives?
[22:40] <lifeless> timrc: they do
[22:42] <timrc> lifeless, so either we would need to be able to configure those archives or we would need to be able to upload packages to derived distros
[22:42] <lifeless> the latter is the point really... how else would a derived distro get any content?
[22:42] <timrc> lifeless, I wasn't aware that we could upload to derived distros
[22:43] <lifeless> think of them as ppas on steroids
[22:43] <timrc> it's still problematic for existing projects
[22:43] <timrc> implies a migration would be necessary *nervous laughter*
[22:44] <lifeless> why would an existing project need to build against a derived distro?
[22:44] <timrc> i still like the idea of being able to tell a PPA what archives to build against
[22:44] <timrc> well the real goal here is to introduce some sort of Ubuntu snapshotting capability using LP
[22:45] <timrc> right now we achieve this with reprepro and it's less than ideal
[22:46] <timrc> anyway, I need to go pick up my daughter from day care, bbl


[07:30] <jo-erlend> does anyone here know if Ubuntu One Music Store will be usable in time for release on 64bit machines? I mean; it works if you chose to install MP3 while installing Ubuntu, but not everyone will do that. And currently, that means Rhythmbox won't be able to use U1MS at all, because installing codecs doesn't work. So you have to manually install ubuntu-restricted-extras or something.
[07:34] <jo-erlend> Yesterday, there was an article about Google Drive becoming available by the end of the month, in Norways biggest news site. I thought I'd respond with an article about Ubuntu One, but I can't. Because there's a 50% chance that if the journalist decides to test it for himself, he'll discover it doesn't work and he'll write that. So it's really better that people don't know about it yet. Disturbing.
[12:57] <tr3nton> How do you remove the auth tokens on the WIndows client? i.e. is there a file somewhere? the FAQs only seem to refer to the Linux folder structure.
[12:57] <tr3nton> Is the only way to edit the registry as described here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880731


[00:20] <Kaein> hello? Can someone assist me with a 13.04 issue
[00:21] <ninnnu> Try #ubuntu
[00:21] <ninnnu> This isn't really a support channel
[14:08] <jose> hey guys, I've checked the #ubuntu-uds ACL out of curiosity and figured out that entry 7 is following the old dual cloak format - should be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:34] <Myrtti> many people still have the old format cloak tho
[14:34] <Myrtti> well, I don't know about many but I doubt they've been actively changed
[14:39] <jose> yeah, but wouldn't ubuntu.* include those people too?
[14:41] <Myrtti> I suppose
[14:41] <Myrtti> I didn't quite think that far ahead
[14:42] <jose> well :)
[14:45] <AlanBell> jose: fixed :)
[14:45] <jose> great, thanks AlanBell! :)
[14:45] <jose> btw, mind a quick PM?
[14:45] <AlanBell> sure
[22:31] <Genyar> anyone here?
[22:32] <Genyar> What's the email address of the IRC Council?


[00:37] <Glukobrassizin> is it possible to use the mpeg2 decoder of the pvr350 with a normal monitor?
[00:37] <Glukobrassizin> instead of connecting it to a television set
[00:37] <Glukobrassizin> ?
[01:30] <defendguin> all the icons in the mythtv menu have disappeared all i see is a black background
[01:32] <defendguin> id like to try changing my theme to see if that helps but i can't even navigate the menu to do that
[05:27] <Bob24> hello all
[05:28] <Bob24> is ther a way of playing 1 video file after the next etc on Mythbuntu?
[05:28] <Bob24> i have too keep playing video files seperatley
[05:34] <Bob24> i have too keep playing video files seperatleyanyine please
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> Bob24
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yes there is
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> had you stuck around
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> I would have told you
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> it's pretty simple
[08:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone, or whatever time of the day it is where you are... :D
[15:57] <Rippedca> Hello
[15:57] <Rippedca> I have a question regarding the installation of Mythbuntu
[15:58] <laga> !ask
[15:58] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[15:58] <laga> err
[15:58] <laga> !hi
[15:58] <Zinn> Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[15:59] <Rippedca> What should I select channel frequency table when I have a Canadian satellite reciever that I would like to control with mythtv
[16:00] <Rippedca> i have the hauppauge wintv pvr 150
[16:03] <laga> it doesn't matter since you will be using the composite/s-video input
[16:04] <Rippedca> thanks
[16:07] <Rippedca> I am planning on using the s-video input
[16:14] <fiyawerx> !help
[16:14] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[17:23] <a1fa_> does anybody esle have problems with the guide? it is so laggy
[17:27] <tgm4883_laptop> a1fa_, live tv only?
[17:27] <a1fa_> yup
[17:27] <a1fa_> its annoying as fsck
[17:28] <tgm4883_laptop> most likely it's the deinterlacer
[17:28] <laga> i blame the bob deinterlacer
[17:28] <tgm4883_laptop> bob?
[17:28] <laga> a fix has been checked into trunk IIRC
[17:28]  * tgm4883_laptop pokes laga about trunk builds
[17:28] <laga> gah
[17:29] <laga> sorry, been busy this weekend.
[17:29] <laga> i will push some mythtv builds later, not sure about the plugins
[17:29] <a1fa_> heck
[17:29] <a1fa_> i whish the guide is fixed :P
[17:29] <laga> a1fa_: try a different deinterlacer
[17:29] <laga> maybe it's fixed in the weekly builds.
[17:30] <a1fa_> i am running weekly builds
[17:30] <a1fa_> still same
[17:30] <a1fa_> where do i change deinterlacer?
[17:31] <laga> ah, it's not been backported.
[17:31] <a1fa_> i cant even vnc into my frontend
[17:32] <a1fa_> my video card blew out on thursday
[17:32] <a1fa_> so i am ruuning on vega and vnc into the thing
[17:32] <a1fa_> 1024x768, but i can only see background in the frontend
[18:45] <Rippedca> I am trying to use an Hauppague PVR-150 with the grey remote to control my Mythbuntu box. when I use the iwrc command the correct codes are being reported for the buttons. I am a not sure how to configure mythbuntu to use this remote.
[19:17] <Egghead2> anyone know if there is a gui editor for editing xml themes on mythbuntu?
[19:18] <gomike78> How can I make non digital audio pass though my optical out?
[19:21] <laga> Egghead2: no such thing, unfortunately
[19:29] <Egghead2> laga, bummer, but thanks for the input :)
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> does mythtv pass the channel number or the frequency id to the channel change script?
[19:29] <Egghead2> tgm, i think the channel number
[19:29] <Egghead2> but only if its in the input chnl linup
[19:32] <tgm4883_laptop> nope, freqid
[19:36] <Egghead2> tgm, them freqid must be came info as chnl number
[20:49] <laga> a1fa_: still there?
[21:01] <laga> a1fa_: wanna test a fix for the slow epg?
[21:15] <sebrock> vnc is slow as hell on mythbuntu. I dont know why. not using with and without opengl
[21:39] <troldrik> Arrgh.
[21:40] <troldrik> How do I kill this damnable custom gdm script you people put in intrepid? :p
[21:43] <tgm4883_laptop> troldrik, problem with it?
[21:44] <troldrik> Yes, I want my regular old gdm.conf prease. :p
[21:44] <troldrik> Not sure how to properly disable the thing.
[21:46] <tgm4883_laptop> I didn't even know it was custom
[21:46] <troldrik> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    39 2008-08-29 18:37 gdm-cdd.conf -> /etc/alternatives/gdm-config-derivative
[21:47] <troldrik> It's even hooked into the alternatives system. :/
[21:54] <dupondje> is there a PPA for Mythtv ?
[21:56] <fiyawerx> how do you get myth to rescan files once you put them in the right spot?
[22:07] <laga> dupondje: yes
[22:07] <dupondje> adress ?
[22:07] <laga> dupondje: www.mythbuntu.org see the weekly builds
[22:08] <dupondje> for intrepid ?
[22:08] <dupondje> :)
[22:08] <laga> troldrik: open the control centre and disable auto login.
[22:08] <laga> troldrik: AFAIK it hasnt changed a lot since feisty ;)
[22:09] <troldrik> Well I purged those packages.
[22:09] <laga> dupondje: no, intrepid usually gets the latest -fixes builds anyways right now
[22:10] <laga> troldrik: then remove it manually. if it's hooked up into the alternatives system that shouldn't be hard to do
[22:10] <dupondje> oh ok :)
[22:11] <laga> dupondje: as we see fit. intrepid is in feature freeze right now so not everything might make it
[22:14] <dupondje> Yesterday I tried to install fglrx
[22:14] <dupondje> it failed, and went back to open source drivers
[22:14] <dupondje> but now my mythtvfrontend.real is segfaulting
[22:22] <fiyawerx> fglrx just installed ok for me earlier today
[22:23] <fiyawerx> still have not much of a clue with what I'm doing or how to set things up how i want them but video seems to be ok at least, using a ma78gpm-ds2h MB with the onboard 3200 ati card
[22:34] <dupondje> [  366.146609] mythfrontend.re[9223]: segfault at 20 ip 00007fb2205efde4 sp<PHONE_NUMBER>0cb368 error 4 in libGL.so.1.2[7fb2205a9000+72000]
[22:34] <dupondje> any id ?
[22:35] <laga> dupondje: uninstall fglrx completely
[22:35] <dupondje> I did ...
[22:35] <dupondje> maby some parts left ...
[22:36] <laga> use "dpkg-divert --list" to find out if there's a diversion for that lib
[22:37] <dupondje> no
[22:37] <laga> for something else xorg-ish?
[22:37] <dupondje> no
[22:38] <dupondje> gcc*
[22:38] <dupondje> sh & man also
[22:40] <dupondje> and when playing a movie I got bad video also :s
[22:41] <dupondje> green lines in it etc :s
[22:46] <dupondje> any id's ?
[22:55] <Egghead2> using a diskless client, using the mythbuntu diskless install, is there any way to setup a root account on the client, it keeps telling me 'account expired' when tring to access it, after issuing the sudo passwd command and making a root account
[22:55] <laga> Egghead2: the same way it would work on a normal ubuntu box i suppose?
[22:56] <Egghead2> hmmm, i tried using sudo passwd, and it sez it updated password ect.. but then i cant change users, sez account expired
[22:56] <hads> Expired will be from a field in passwd
[22:57] <Egghead2> hads, huh?
[22:59] <fiyawerx> why not just sudo -i
[22:59] <hads> Several related entries; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+account+expired&btnG=Search
[23:00] <Egghead2> hads, thanks
[23:00] <Egghead2> fiyawerx, scp'ing into the client
[23:35] <dupondje> laga: I reinstalled the fglrx and now removing it
[23:36] <dupondje> but get errors when removing diversions ...
[23:36] <dupondje> diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx
[23:36] <laga> that might be the culprit
[23:36] <dupondje> how can I fix it ? :)
[23:36] <laga> that is not an error message
[23:36] <dupondje> dpkg-divert: hernoemen omvat overschrijven van '/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1' met
[23:36] <dupondje>   verschillend bestand '/usr/lib32/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', niet toegelaten
[23:36] <dupondje> its dutch sorry :(
[23:37] <dupondje> rename contains description of '/usr/lib32....' with
[23:37] <dupondje> different file '/usr ....", premission denied
[23:37] <laga> can you try that again
[23:37] <laga> with LC_ALL=C
[23:38] <dupondje> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1' with
[23:38] <dupondje>   different file `/usr/lib32/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed
[23:39] <dupondje> (btw, with fglrx installed, mythtv worked again, but get tons of green lines ...)
[23:39] <laga> hum
[23:39] <laga> where did you get fglrx?
[23:39] <laga> from the repos?
[23:39] <dupondje> ati website
[23:39] <dupondje> and made a .deb from it
[23:40] <laga> hum
[23:40] <laga> can't help ya with that. that installer is supposed to be compatible, but envy-ng is usually a better bet
[23:41] <laga> you should try to get your system in a sane state again, by removing anything related to fglrx and by reinstalling..
[23:41] <laga> let me look that package up
[23:41] <dupondje> the fglrx package in intrepid is broken also :(
[23:41] <dupondje> did a bugreport
[23:42] <laga> libgl1-mesa-glx
[23:42] <laga> that's good
[23:42] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/266956
[23:42] <laga> always report bugs ;)
[23:42] <laga> is that intrepid or hardy?
[23:42] <dupondje> intrepid
[23:42] <laga> and maybe also reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri
[23:42] <laga> ah
[23:42] <laga> yeah, that's probably not completely stable yet ;)
[23:45] <dupondje> rm /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1
[23:46] <dupondje> and then removed
[23:46] <dupondje> worked :p
[23:47] <dupondje> [  912.073800] mythfrontend.re[8780]: segfault at 20 ip 00007ff99ca93de4 sp<PHONE_NUMBER>556368 error 4 in libGL.so.1.2[7ff99ca4d000+72000]
[23:47] <dupondje> poof :(
[23:47] <laga> hum
[23:47] <laga> what kind of card is that?
[23:47] <dupondje> ATI R300
[23:48] <laga> so, like a radeon 9800?
[23:48] <dupondje> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
[23:48] <laga> ah
[23:48] <laga> if i had time, i'd set up a test rig, but that's probably not gonna happen
[23:48] <laga> i'd suggest that you go look for someone else with the same problem
[23:48] <laga> um..
[23:48] <laga> do you have something in /var/crash ?
[23:49] <dupondje> yep
[23:49] <dupondje> :)
[23:49] <laga> okay, can you report a bug using apport?
[23:49] <laga> is that mythbuntu? then just install apport-gtk
[23:49] <laga> and reproduce the crash
[23:51] <dupondje> I just tought about something, when I installed fglrx, I changed some MythTV setting
[23:51] <dupondje> changed it back and its working now
[23:51] <dupondje> 'OpenGL vertical sycronisation for timing'
[23:52] <dupondje> if enabled -> SEGFAULT
[23:52] <dupondje> disabled -> working
[23:52] <laga> ah. i just get stuttering with that in hardy ;)
[23:52] <laga> yes, please generate a bug report and post the number here
[23:53] <dupondje> how do I apport ?
[23:53] <dupondje> :)


[07:08] <pwnguin> http://dooble.sourceforge.net/maemo_dooblescratchbox2.PNG
[07:08] <pwnguin> lol
[07:09] <pwnguin> windows vmware ubuntu xephyr maemo
[07:35] <siji> hi mike^,
[07:35] <siji> I successfully compiled clutter 1.0 with EGL support
[07:36] <siji> Now am getting excellent performance specially with animations etc
[08:19] <lool> siji: Cool
[19:09] <Vink___> Hi, how do I create a ubuntu filesystem for ARM, anything simliar to OpenEmbedded?
[19:18] <Vink___> anyone?
[19:23] <ojn> Vink___: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[19:24] <Vink___> Can I compile the rootfs with customized packages? I want to add/ remove a lot of stuff
[19:26] <Vink___> ojn: Can I compile the rootfs with customized packages? I want to add/ remove a lot of stuff
[19:28] <ojn> Vink___: It comes with alot of packages already, and the rest you can install with apt-get just like under regular ubuntu/debian
[19:29] <ojn> If you feel a need to waste computrons on rebuilding your own software every time, then ubuntu isn't the obvious choice. gentoo or OE might be a better base.


[00:00] <arand> And now meerkat is not even a good fallback, before ther was at least ibex that was short and sweet... But anyways, I'm probably the only one obsessiong about it, so nevermind
[00:01] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:01] <BUGabundo> I said that yesterday
[00:01] <BUGabundo> names are tooo big
[00:01] <poutine> I think the furry names need to go away
[00:01] <poutine> it's completely unprofessional
[00:01] <poutine> like the porn wallpaper a few releases back
[00:01] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:01] <BUGabundo> use the numbers
[00:03] <kklimonda> hey, those wallpapers were the best!
[00:03] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:03] <BUGabundo> did I miss something ????
[00:03] <BUGabundo> pr0n?
[00:04] <zekoZeko> anyone here good at packaging? It's actually on debian testing that i have a problem, package compiles with libdb4.8 but links against libdb4.7.
[00:04] <kklimonda> nothing like a good looking lass when you login into your system
[00:05] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh, you know - the wallpapers from older releases where nice looking ladies were smiling..
[00:08] <BUGabundo> don't recall that
[00:19] <arand> zekoZeko: If not here, maybe #ubuntu-motu, or #ubuntu-packaging, but then again, uds busies a lot of the regulars nowatimes
[00:21] <zekoZeko> arand: nevermind, i think i got it, rebuilding the package now.
[00:21] <zekoZeko> or not :(
[00:43] <BUGabundo> To the bed sheets , Mi Lord!
[00:57] <DanaG> bummer... plymouth doesn't get along well with uvesafb.
[01:02] <DanaG> also weird: xorg-edgers plus savage gives abi mismatch.
[01:02] <DanaG> (EE) module ABI major version (6) doesn't match the server's version (7)
[01:29] <h00k> I'm trying out Unity...this is really neat.
[05:23] <BPower> So what is Ubuntu Maverick?
[05:24] <ChogyDan> the next release, eh?
[05:27] <h00k> !mm
[05:27] <BPower> Really? They just released Lucid and they're going to release a new release in 6 months?
[05:27] <h00k> !maverick
[05:27] <h00k> !release | BPower
[05:27] <BPower> What is Lucid?
[05:27] <BPower> 10.__
[05:28] <BPower> !lucid
[05:28] <BPower> So 10.04 will be supported for 5 years and 10.10 will be supported for 18 months.
[05:28] <BPower> right?
[05:29] <h00k> 5 years on the server, 3 on the desktop
[05:29] <h00k> and 10.10 is not an LTS
[05:29] <h00k> !lts | BPower
[05:29] <BPower> ya i know LTS, I should have just said that.
[05:29] <BPower> haha
[05:30] <BPower> Interesting.
[05:31] <BPower> Thanks all :) Peace
[05:35] <ddecator> so testdrive doesn't work for maverick yet?
[05:38] <nishanth> can someone help me with a flash player full screen issue?
[05:39] <ddecator> what's the issue?
[05:39] <nishanth> well when i click the full screen icon it video freezes and does not work in full screen
[05:41] <ddecator> can't say i've ever run into that...
[05:44] <nishanth> anyone else know to solve the flash full screen problem?
[05:49] <nishanth> someone alive here?????////
[05:54] <ddecator> heh, a lot of people are at UDS, so most of the official channels will be slow this week
[05:56] <nishanth> do you know how to install flash player on lucid?
[06:01] <ddecator> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:10] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/437429 -- interesting.  setting /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/settings-manager-plugins/media-keys/active to true works.
[07:12] <ddecator> there wasn't?
[07:14] <DanaG> I'm not sure what the state is now... but I do know that the hotkeys don't work at gdm.
[07:14] <DanaG> Volume, mute, and brightness.
[07:14] <DanaG> Setting that gconf key makes them work.
[07:15] <ddecator> is this for maverick?
[07:16] <DanaG> hmm, it's not maverick-specific, but I suppose they could fix it in maverick.
[07:16] <DanaG> !blueprints
[07:16]  * DanaG goes to google.
[07:17] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat
[07:18] <DanaG> I read that thing from Shuttleworth about app indicators... interesting idea, but could be messy.
[07:19] <DanaG> I'm using some gnome-panel addins that put the window title and buttons (on the right) in the top menu bar.
[07:19] <ddecator> the windicators?
[07:19] <DanaG> er, panel.
[07:19] <DanaG> http://gnome-look.org/content/mycontent.php?PHPSESSID=76536a773d74a9d34800a80dfd480b68
[07:25] <cwillu> dead link
[07:25] <cwillu> I'm not going to register an account just to look at a gnome-look.org screenshot :p
[07:25] <ddecator> cwillu: heh, that was my thought exactly when i clicked the link
[07:26] <ddecator> even if they do accept openid..
[07:26] <DanaG> stupid gnome-look.
[07:26] <DanaG> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=103732
[07:28] <ddecator> ah, but windicators won't include that many indicators (most likely), looks like they just took the panel and moved it to the title bar in that pic
[07:28] <cwillu> yep
[07:29] <DanaG> This is the other way around.... the title bar joins the panel.
[07:29] <ddecator> that's what they'll do for netbooks
[07:29] <DanaG> Though, the title applet isn't draggable -- and if you set it to DejaVu Sans 8.5, returning to the preferences dialog tends to do very bad things.
[07:29] <DanaG> That is, it shows font name as uninitialized memory.
[07:30] <DanaG> I actually use that thing even on my 1920x1200 laptop.
[07:30] <ddecator> except winidicators will be next to panel indicators which seems confusing since they'll look the same (at least for the screenshots i've seen)
[07:30] <DanaG> And by "very bad things", here's an example: on my netbook, one time it made the preferences window 5 screens wide... exceeded maximum texture size (and so killed compiz)... and then locked up the intel GPU.
[07:31] <DanaG> And on fglrx, it once brought down the entire kernel -- hard-lock with heartbeat dead.
[07:33] <cwillu> news flash:  closed source video driver causes crash;  details at 11:00 :p
[07:37] <ddecator> i am relatively impressed with nvidia drivers though; i've had little trouble with them (much less than those with ati, haha)
[07:38] <DanaG> ddecator: try that applet on for size.
[07:38] <DanaG> I'm curious to see how nvidia will handle it.
[07:38] <ddecator> which one?
[07:38] <DanaG> The title one that killed stuff. =þ
[07:40] <ddecator> heh, i'd rather not rish killing everything =p
[07:42] <ddecator> risk...
[07:43]  * ddecator can't type tonight
[08:36] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2  anyone know what the heck is this msg?
[08:39] <ddecator> is there more to it?
[08:40] <nishanth> no just that much
[08:41] <ddecator> hard to tell without more of a context as to what the problem it ran into was
[08:42] <nishanth> well this came up when i tried to remove flashplugin player
[08:42] <ddecator> oh, you tried to remove it? did you remove flashplugin-nonfree? just removing the installed doesn't remove flash
[08:42] <ddecator> installer*
[08:42] <nishanth> well i dont have nonfree installed
[08:43] <nishanth> just installer
[08:43] <nishanth> i actually installed openjdk-6 to fix smthng in flsah but then had to remove it
[08:43] <nishanth> after which my flash does not work
[08:44] <nishanth> so i am trying to remove and reinstall it
[08:44] <ddecator> ah, then try installing flashplugin-nonfree
[08:44] <nishanth> tried it did not work
[08:45] <ddecator> what happens when you try to load a flash video?
[08:45] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:45] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-nonfree: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:45] <nishanth> this is the msg when i tried to install nonfree
[08:45] <ddecator> huh, i wonder what the dependency problem is..
[08:47] <nishanth> if this doesnot work i have to reinstall ubuntu once again
[08:48] <ddecator> how are you trying to install it?
[08:48] <nishanth> tried both synaptic and terminal
[08:48] <ddecator> and synaptic doesn't say anything about the dependencies before you try to install it?
[08:49] <nishanth> both give me this error msg
[08:50] <nishanth> i guess i will reinstall
[08:50] <ddecator> what if you use synaptic to mark the installer for reinstallation?
[08:50] <nishanth> same thing
[08:51] <ddecator> odd. i know there is a command to resolve dependency issues, but i can't remember what it is
[08:51] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:51] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-nonfree: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:51] <nishanth> any clues or ideas?
[08:52] <ddecator> if you can resolve the dependency issue, then it should work
[08:52] <nishanth> but i dont know what dependency issue it is having
[08:53] <nishanth> i screwed up so much stuff
[08:53] <ddecator> right, i'm trying to find the command that automatically resolves dependencies
[08:53] <ddecator> try running 'sudo apt-get check'
[08:53] <nishanth> went to flashplugin-player / and removed libflashplayer.so
[08:53] <ddecator> that will tell if you there are unmet dependencies
[08:54] <nishanth> nishanth@nishanth-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get check
[08:54] <nishanth> [sudo] password for nishanth:
[08:54] <nishanth> Reading package lists... Done
[08:54] <nishanth> Building dependency tree
[08:54] <nishanth> Reading state information... Done
[08:55] <ddecator> dang
[08:55] <ddecator> alright, lets see what the dependencies are...
[08:55] <nishanth> as i said i might have screwed so many things
[08:56] <BUGabundo_remote> Strap your Pony, and bedazzle
[08:56] <nishanth> how can i see that?
[08:56] <ddecator> nishanth: just to make sure, when you try to install flashplugin-nonfree, you're not marking to change flashplugin-installer, are you?
[08:56] <ddecator> hey BUGabundo_remote
[08:57] <nishanth> there is no such thing as marking to change
[08:58] <ddecator> well i mean marking it uninstall or anything
[08:58] <nishanth> you mean to remove
[08:58] <ddecator> right
[08:58] <nishanth> or remove completely?
[08:59] <ddecator> either
[08:59] <nishanth> yes idid that earlier
[09:00] <nishanth> nonfree is removed but installer is not being removed
[09:00] <ddecator> but when you try to install flashplugin-nonfree, you're not marking flashplugin-installer for removal at the same time?
[09:00] <nishanth> nope
[09:00] <ddecator> ok good
[09:01] <ddecator> you can check to see if these are installed: nspluginwrapper, ia32-libs, debconf, wget, fontconfig
[09:01] <ddecator> those are the depends for flashplugin-installer. flashplugin-nonfree only depends on flashplugin-installer
[09:02] <nishanth> nspluginwrapper ....check
[09:02] <nishanth> ia32-libs...check
[09:03] <nishanth> debconf...check
[09:03] <nishanth> wget..check
[09:03] <nishanth> fontconfig...check
[09:03] <nishanth> yup all exist
[09:04] <ddecator> hm, then idk why flashplugin-nonfree won't install. you can get flash from the adobe site if you don't want to do a reinstall (unless someone else has any other ideas on how to resolve the issue)
[09:04] <nishanth> no one actually has any
[09:06] <ddecator> well this is a slow time of day. you can try asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners for help since those are more support-oriented
[09:06] <nishanth> thanx anyway
[09:52] <cwillu> what does it actually hang with during the install?
[09:52] <cwillu> or crash, or whatever?
[09:52] <cwillu> flashplugin-installer: post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[09:53] <cwillu> what returns 2 in /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-installer.postinst
[09:54] <cwillu> changing set -e to set -xe in that file and reconfiguring may give you a clue
[09:54] <cwillu> nis^^^
[09:54] <cwillu> bah, gone
[11:55] <alex88> well..to start testing maverick, we need to wait alpha1?
[11:56] <BUGabundo_angry> no
[11:56] <BUGabundo_angry> I'm already on MM
[11:56] <alex88> oh...are there some updates? do you advice a clean setup or an upgrade from luci?
[11:56] <alex88> *lucid
[11:57] <BUGabundo_angry> upgraded
[11:59] <alex88> thanks..last thing.. just editing sources.list?
[12:00] <BUGabundo_angry> yep
[12:04] <alex88> thanks.. :)
[12:15] <alex88> mmhhh..what was that app to jail ssh users? that created jailed folder for all users?
[17:23] <dstansby> If a package in a dev release of ubuntu won't install because of conflicts, should I raise a bug on launchpad or just wait for it to be fixed?
[17:24] <gnomefreak> dstansby: depends on the pacakge but normally good to wait
[17:25] <gnomefreak> dstansby: all it is is its missing a depends being built (race to the finish line) type thing
[17:25] <dstansby> And I'd happily read the topic, but there's a bug in empathy that stops me from doing so :(
[17:26] <gnomefreak> sorry dont have it installed but when you try to install it do you get "it wanting to remove packages" or "broken packages"
[17:27] <yofel> dstansby: the topic should be displayed by typing '/topic' too
[17:28] <yofel> and I have a dozen packages or so with borken depends right now, so I doubt that it's a bug
[17:28] <dstansby> Usage: /topic <topic>: set the topic of the current conversation
[17:28] <dstansby> :(
[17:28] <dstansby> That's what I got from /topic
[17:28] <arand> dstansby: And another general advice is to find a better irc client than empathy
[17:29] <yofel> nod
[17:29] <arand> dstansby: Even freenode webchat is preferrable :(
[17:30]  * gnomefreak more concerned about why you expected it to work
[17:30] <dstansby> gnomefreak: Maverick or Empathy?
[17:30] <gnomefreak> Empathy in Maveric
[17:31] <dstansby> I'd expect it to be able to show me whole topic!
[17:31] <gnomefreak> dstansby: did it work in Lucid?
[17:32] <dstansby> gnomefreak: No
[17:32] <monkey_dust> hi all -- about DynDNS -- i have a fix IP address linked to an URL, but am unable to use either -- http finds my remote server, using the current DHCP WAN IP address, ok -- so how do I use DynDNS -- i have no easier way to put it
[17:32] <dstansby> The fix is upstream
[17:32] <gnomefreak> than file a bug on it or before you do that find out what it is set to use. did you try just /t
[17:33] <Pici> monkey_dust: This channel is for Maverick discussion/support only, if you're asking about Lucid, please use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[17:33] <gnomefreak> monkey_dust: for general questions please join #ubuntu. this is only for Maverick devel
[17:33] <dstansby> gnomefreak: I've ubuntu-bugged it, found an existing bugreport and changed the status of it from fix released to fix committed
[17:34] <dstansby> aah, my window is expanding as I type
[17:34] <dstansby>  I really do need a new irc client
[17:34] <gnomefreak> we have plenty to choose from
[17:34] <monkey_dust> tnx gnomefreak
[17:34] <gnomefreak> np
[17:35]  * gnomefreak smoke
[17:36] <yofel> dstansby1: erm, which bug #?
[17:36] <dstansby1> Back in pidgin
[17:36] <dstansby1> With a different username for some reason
[17:38] <dstansby> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/392512
[17:55] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:57] <BUGabundo_remote> booooo
[18:25] <Ken8521> i have a laptop cooler pad on my laptop(USB) why would it be constantly shutting off and on?  Also, I notice the laser on my optical mouse, is constantly going dim/bright/dim/bright.. but appears tobe functional all the time
[18:25] <Ken8521> i have a laptop cooler pad on my laptop(USB) why would it be constantly shutting off and on?  Also, I notice the laser on my optical mouse, is constantly going dim/bright/dim/bright.. but appears tobe functional all the time
[18:26] <patdk-wk> your running maverik?
[18:27] <patdk-wk> optical mice are suppost to go dim/bright/dim/bright
[18:27] <Ken8521> no, thought i was un #ubuntu.. running 10.04...
[18:27] <Ken8521> they are?.. i've never noticed it before
[18:27] <patdk-wk> ya, only when they are being moved, do they stay bright
[18:27] <patdk-wk> otherwise they stay dim
[18:28] <patdk-wk> so normal usage would keep going back and forth
[18:28] <Ken8521> hm
[18:28] <Ken8521> ok
[18:28] <Ken8521> so why would my laptop cooling pad constantly shut off and on/(i thought the problems might be related, apparently not)
[18:29] <patdk-wk> it might not be your issue, cause the laptop cooler points to other issues :)
[18:29] <patdk-wk> it could only be two things I would think of
[18:29] <patdk-wk> not enough power on your usb ports
[18:29] <Nitsuga> is it possible to start using Maverick right now or i have to wait until June?
[18:29] <patdk-wk> or it doesn't id itself on the usb bus, so linux keeps shutting of that usb port
[18:29] <patdk-wk> I thought people where already using it :)
[18:30] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, #2 seems the most likely, because it works fine under XP
[18:33] <Nitsuga> patdk-wk, it is ok to sed s/lucid/maverick/g < /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list ? Because update-manager -c -d doesn't say that there's a new Ubuntu release...
[18:37] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, so any idea how to change that?
[18:41] <ratcheer> nitsuga: I was told to update sources.list the way you said for my testing installation, then do apt-get update, then spt-get dist-upgrade. It worked for me.
[18:41] <ratcheer> apt-get, not spt-get
[19:01] <Sweet> Hi, I'm having a problem that really needs to be fixed... I have no input from my mic on my Intel HDA sound card using coded Realtek ALC275, G45 DEVIBX
[19:01] <Sweet> I've tried everything and I'm looking for a workaround, anything will do...
[19:03] <Sweet> I'm running latest build of ubuntu lucid on a Sony Vaio VPC11X9E btw
[19:04] <arand> Sweet: Lucid support is in #ubuntu, this is for Maverick development support.
[19:05] <Sweet> arand: sry my mistake
[19:05] <arand> Sweet: General advice is to start alsamixer and muck about trying to find a good mic setting
[19:05] <Sweet> arand: been there
[19:05] <Sweet> arand: didn't work
[19:15] <Sweet> arand: could you help me out anyway? cause I have no luck on the #ubuntu channel...
[19:16] <Nitsuga> Sweet, something that happened to me abut this is that by some reason the imput was set in digitl mode instad of analogical
[19:16] <Nitsuga> sound preferences -> hardware -> Profile
[19:16] <arand> Sweet: That's about as much help as I can give, I don't have much experience with it either. Always useful to use the forums etc. as well, if you get no luck on irc
[19:17] <Sweet> Nitsuga: It says Analog Stereo Duplex
[19:18] <Nitsuga> Sweet, mine was in Digital stereo input (IEC958) + Analgo Stereo outut, put it in analog stereo duplex and worked
[19:18] <Nitsuga> but it seems it is ok for you
[19:19] <Nitsuga> Sweet, also check "connector" in the Input tab
[19:19] <Sweet> Nitsuga: yup, I'm farely sure it has something to do with my Intel HDA sounds card which uses Realtek ALC275 and G45 DEVIBX
[19:20] <Sweet> Nitsuga: Input tab says: Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[19:21] <Nitsuga> Sweet, Sound problems have always benn a mystery for me :P. Try different configurations and it may work.
[19:22] <Sweet> Nitsuga: OK thank you for your time
[19:23] <Sweet> Looking for an ALSA expert... ^^
[19:26] <Trewas> weird, rhythmbox stopped supporting multimedia keys (in lucid) and it started auto-opening when I plug in my cell-phone in mass-storage mode... so I removed and changed to banshee and all is good </enough about lucid> :)
[20:53] <BUGabundo> time to try unity
[20:53] <BUGabundo> wish me luck
[20:54] <zniavre> we got french word for that ...  :o)
[20:54] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: dont
[20:54] <BUGabundo> bah
[20:54] <arand> Well, unity makes a whole lot of sense, but at the same time, donotwant.
[20:54] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: it wont start.. just a white screen
[20:55] <BUGabundo> won't let me open a new accoutn for my user
[20:55] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: I'm on MM
[20:55] <BUGabundo> not lucid
[20:55] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:55] <BUGabundo> grrr
[20:55] <BUGabundo> now how do I set GDM to allow multi logins !?!?
[20:55] <BUGabundo> it used to be easy
[20:55] <arand> Tried it on a virtualbox, slow as sirup, so much for light :>
[20:56] <BUGabundo> where's the darn setting to allow mutli logins!?!??!
[20:57] <BUGabundo> [daemon]
[20:57] <BUGabundo> AutomaticLoginEnable=true
[20:57] <BUGabundo> AutomaticLogin=bugabundo
[20:57] <BUGabundo> TimedLoginEnable=false
[20:57] <BUGabundo> TimedLogin=bugabundo
[20:57] <BUGabundo> TimedLoginDelay=10
[20:57] <BUGabundo> DefaultSession=gnome
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> ow..
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: tried googling?
[20:58] <BUGabundo> hehe
[20:58] <BUGabundo> I'm in a room filled with "experts"
[20:58]  * shadeslayer_ thinks whether he should upgrade to maveric
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: whats the kernel version?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> again??
[20:59] <BUGabundo> you keep asking that
[20:59] <BUGabundo> !info linux
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: uh.. no i didnt..
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: this is the first time i asked that i think :P
[20:59] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:09:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:59] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:00] <BUGabundo> ill have to loout
[21:00] <BUGabundo> back in a few min
[21:00] <shadeslayer_> so hows maverick atm?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> wow the bot is slowwww
[21:01] <BUGabundo> and why don't I have .22 ?????
[21:03] <arand> shadeslayer_: Not much to look at, really, some syncs, but nothing major at all...
[21:03] <shadeslayer_> ok
[21:03] <arand> shadeslayer_: fsck works though, as opposed to lucid :)
[21:04] <shadeslayer_> arand: yeah,fsck halts at 70 % in lucid
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> shadeslayer_: it doesn't halt
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> it goes uber slow
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> I've sat through it :p
[21:06] <shadeslayer_> Ian_Corne: me too :P
[21:06] <shadeslayer_> heh.. after just 2 days,i have a additional 200 MB to download :P
[21:07] <shadeslayer_> 2 days ago,lucid -> maverick == 100 MB,now its 300 :P
[21:08] <shadeslayer_> oh wth.. ill upgrade :)
[21:08] <shadeslayer_> safe-upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[21:09] <arand> shadeslayer_: shadeslayer_ well, the mountall fix is in proposed at least...
[21:10] <arand> shadeslayer_: sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" afaik.
[21:11] <BUGabundo> I admit: great work
[21:11] <BUGabundo> its snappier, looks good, and is really fast
[21:11] <BUGabundo> needs some work with apps
[21:11] <BUGabundo> but I guess its not meant to have so many of them
[21:12] <BUGabundo> I still can't find how to add more stuff to the Dock
[21:12] <BUGabundo> if Super+Tab worked, I could just use this WM
[21:12] <zniavre> what is the name of the search-applet?
[21:14] <shadeslayer_> arand: what if i have extra ppa's enabled?
[21:14] <shadeslayer_> do i replace them with maverick too?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> no
[21:14] <BUGabundo> you have to be sure there's a ppa version for MM
[21:15] <BUGabundo> either comment it out until there is one
[21:15] <BUGabundo> or live lucid, if that works fine
[21:15] <shadeslayer_> hehe..
[21:15] <BUGabundo> I NEED GNOME DO
[21:15] <shadeslayer_> well some of the PPA's do have maverick.. and some done
[21:15] <BUGabundo> why aint it working !?
[21:15] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: docky ftw
[21:15] <BUGabundo> not in Unity
[21:15] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:16] <BUGabundo> ok it looks good
[21:16] <BUGabundo> now back to where I have what I need/want
[21:16] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:16] <shadeslayer_> arand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431867/
[21:18] <BUGabundo> back
[21:18] <Ian_Corne> zniavre: it's not an applet
[21:18] <zniavre> what is it ?
[21:19] <shadeslayer_> arand: so should i go ahead? or is something not right?
[21:19] <arand> shadeslayer_: Wut!? you got ppas in sources.list? and btw, you probably shouldn't remove libboost, I would assume...
[21:20] <shadeslayer_> yeah i have some extra ppa.. not in sources.list though
[21:20] <arand> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick/main Packages   seems to suggest it... hm?
[21:21] <shadeslayer_> arand: http://pastebin.com/PUnuuyfi
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> ah right
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> kubuntu ppa..
[21:22] <arand> shadeslayer_: I'm not sure, and I'm not sure I want to really advice further...
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> arand: ok
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> anyways ive gtg..
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> bye
[21:23] <arand> Dang, ppas in sources.list messes things up badly :(
[21:37] <Nitsuga> I was thinking that there should be a "dev" version which is a symlink t the lestest development release. That way we don't have to change  our /etc/apt twice a year :P
[21:37] <Nitsuga> the real benefit is that the PPAs would have inmediate support for the lastest dev release if they want to.
[21:38] <Nitsuga> and we would have a rolling release-like version
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_Chuck: You're running an old kernel btw
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> lucid has -22
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> and gnome do does work
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> just not the shortcut
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> $ apt-cache policy linux
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.22
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>.22
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> oh
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> lucid???
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> lolol
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> you need to keep up with times
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> guess I need a reboot
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> $ apt-cache policy linux
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> linux:
[21:56] <Ian_Corne>   Installed: (none)
[21:56] <Ian_Corne>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>.23
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> yes
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> but if lucid has a newer version
[21:57] <Ian_Corne> you're just not uptodate :p
[21:57] <BUGabundo_Chuck>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>.22 0
[21:57] <BUGabundo_Chuck>         500 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ maverick/main Packages
[21:57] <BUGabundo_Chuck>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main Packages
[21:57] <Ian_Corne> clearely out of date! :p
[21:58]  * BUGabundo_Chuck aptitude updates
[21:58] <Ian_Corne> I don't think there's enough work being done on maverick yet to make all changes in lucid also happen in maverick
[21:58] <ajmitch> especially as that's just pointing to the default version
[21:58] <BUGabundo_Chuck> says the same
[21:59] <BUGabundo_Chuck> weird as heck
[21:59] <ajmitch> maverick has 2.6.34, but linux-meta doesn't point to it as default yet
[22:00] <ajmitch> lucid-updates has the version that Ian_Corne is seeing
[22:01] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: but I'm in MM
[22:01] <ajmitch> yes, and? :)
[22:01] <BUGabundo_Chuck> shouldn't MM have what ever goes to -update/-proposed?
[22:02] <ajmitch> not necessarily
[22:02] <BUGabundo_Chuck> shrug
[22:02] <ajmitch> the kernel is a special case, especially
[22:02] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ah
[22:02] <ajmitch> because there's the kernel itself, and the package that points to the default version
[22:07] <Ian_Corne> anyone else have the "No terminal command has been defined" when launching a terminal via global shortcut
[22:09]  * ajmitch isn't (brave|silly) enough to upgrade to maverick yet :)
[22:09] <Nitsuga> ajmitch, in fact you will notice nothing :P
[22:09] <Nitsuga> at least I didn't
[22:10] <Ian_Corne> irb/ruby is breaking dependencies :p
[22:10] <ajmitch> Nitsuga: I'm sure I would, there are a few changes landed already, and I think autosyncs starting soon
[22:11] <yofel> maverick has 2.6.32-21 currently 2.6.34-1.6 failed to build on i386 amd64 armel and powerpc https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.34-1.6
[22:11] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: some one has to :)
[22:12] <ajmitch> BUGabundo_Chuck: I used to upgrade before UDS started & when everything was chaos
[22:12] <BUGabundo_Chuck> naaa
[22:12] <BUGabundo_Chuck> until alpha 4 its usually good
[22:12] <BUGabundo_Chuck> only after FF everything messes up
[22:13] <yofel> nod
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> *if* we never went to FF , we would be cool in +1 all year long
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> oh wait... rolling release
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> :)
[22:14] <ajmitch> the only reason that happens is that FF is a time for shiny new crack to land
[22:14] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: see why I already jumped ? Lucid went stable ... for 3 weeks
[22:14] <ajmitch> rolling releases means breakage all year round
[22:14] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: I run this laptop on +1 (since 7.04)
[22:14] <BUGabundo_Chuck> and office PC with debian unstable
[22:15] <BUGabundo_Chuck> still surviving
[22:15] <ajmitch> and I ran on development releases since 5.04 & sid for a few years before that too :P
[22:15] <BUGabundo_Chuck> felling old, are we ? :D
[22:16] <ajmitch> quite
[22:16] <BUGabundo_Chuck> add a few daily ppa's and whisles
[22:16] <BUGabundo_Chuck> :)
[22:16] <ajmitch> we were reminiscing in #ubuntu-motu the other day
[22:16] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: I understand
[22:17] <ajmitch> ppas are this new thing anyway, I remember hearing about this novel idea at UDS from LP developers :)
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ahaha
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> we don't even have debian _yet_
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> motu?
[22:17] <ajmitch> !motu
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> aha :)
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> he knows
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> he better know that
[22:18] <BUGabundo_Chuck> or I'll kick him out :)
[22:18] <Ian_Corne> I know now.
[22:18] <BUGabundo_Chuck> WHATi??
[22:18]  * BUGabundo_Chuck kicks Ian_Corne arse
[22:18] <BUGabundo_Chuck> Ian_Corne: I've seen you here for how long now ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo_Chuck> two cicles or so ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo_Chuck> its sad we have ~200 nicks in here.... and only 10 or so, speak their minds
[22:20] <ajmitch> that's usual
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I know
[22:20]  * ajmitch doesn't talk in every channel he's in :)
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I idle around several servers and #s
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I do :)
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> every morning :)
[22:20] <yofel> at least it's quiet and you get a high quality discussion all the time... or most... well sometimes...
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> I've been on +1's since gutsy I think
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> installed feisty, didn't like it enough and upgraded to gutsy at alpha 4 or something
[22:21] <yofel> longer than me then, I started around intrepid
[22:21] <BUGabundoDrHouse> and you didn't know what MOTU is ??
[22:21] <BUGabundoDrHouse> man, you need to spend a cycle in ubuntu-users MLs
[22:22] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I started here in 7.04
[22:22] <ajmitch> not a chance
[22:22]  * BUGabundoDrHouse check logs
[22:22]  * ajmitch would never get anything done
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> ajmitch: mew... I know :|
[22:23] <Ian_Corne> well yofel I didn't do much yet, only started reporting bugs since a few releases ago
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> humm ext4 doesn't like dirs with over 1k files :(
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> 2007-11-06.161054+0000WET
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> humm
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> make that 8.04 :(
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I though it was earlier
[22:25] <ajmitch> Wed Feb 9 06:40:09 CST 2005
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> haahaah
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> we are suckers for logs :)
[22:26] <ajmitch> that's when I got into ubuntu-motu
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I used to have *all* my logs since 1994
[22:26] <ajmitch> this was from the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> until a stupid win app decided to delete all *.logs
[22:26] <ajmitch> too long ago, too little done since then by me
[22:27] <BUGabundoDrHouse> once I turn pidgin ON, I can't do anything else :(
[22:27] <BUGabundoDrHouse> damn it I'm to adicted to Social Networking
[22:27] <Ian_Corne> is /var/log the place to find the oldest files?
[22:27] <ajmitch> logrotate will be cycling through them & possibly culling them
[22:28] <BluesKaj> konversation works fine on maverick here
[22:29]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand using IMs for IRC
 longer than me then, I started around intrepid <-- i started using Ubuntu around intrepid :!. In fact I installed the Intrepid last beta, without knowng even what sudo was.
[22:30] <Nitsuga> *even knowing
[22:30] <yofel> heh
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> I wonder how much of my ubuntu life will change when I graduate
[22:31] <BUGabundoDrHouse> BluesKaj: *one* single app
[22:32]  * BluesKaj one size fits all is always a compromise
[22:32] <BUGabundoDrHouse> yep
[22:32] <BUGabundoDrHouse> single point of failure
[22:32] <BUGabundoDrHouse> but I can control ALL my world with ctrl+tab
[22:33] <BluesKaj> well, have fun :)
[22:33] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I've been using Ubuntu (or better kubuntu) since 5.10
[22:33] <BUGabundoDrHouse> on dual boot, coming from Kurumim
[22:33] <BUGabundoDrHouse> around 6.06 I was like 70% win, 30% Kubuntu
[22:34] <BUGabundoDrHouse> upgraded to 6.10 beta 1
[22:34] <BluesKaj> yeah , same here , but it was of and on at first , tried a bunch of other distros before settling on kubuntu. KDE has always been my fav tho
[22:34] <BUGabundoDrHouse> trashed it :) reinstall beta1 , and windows... windows went bo bo... so I didn't use it for a while
[22:34] <BUGabundoDrHouse> ended up I didn't need it :)
[22:35] <BluesKaj> gnome never did much for me
[22:35] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I used, red hat, knopix, kurumim, and who knows what
[22:36] <BUGabundoDrHouse> kurumim was the long lasted of them all
[22:37] <BUGabundoDrHouse> http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/051110tech_tats/tech_tats_10.jpg  we need some of this
[22:38] <BluesKaj> knoppix.redhat,suse,mandrake, mandriva,fedora and debian , kubuntu was so familiar after using debian for 6mos that I stuck with it.
[22:40] <Nitsuga> BUGabundoDrHouse, in fact we have, but it is not work-safe :P
[22:40] <BUGabundoDrHouse> never did fedora
[22:44] <BluesKaj> fedora is just another rpm distro IMO...crappy packaging and install system
[22:45] <z0rt|work> heh
[22:49] <arand> I want to like fedora, rpm says no.


[02:13] <plugwash> what is normal practice when closing bugs that are filed against ubuntu in general (rather than a particular release)? should they be closed when the fix is in the latest release or should they be left open unless they are fixed in the release the reporter was using?
[02:14] <Unit193> Closed in development (you can even do this via changelog) and if needed targetted for the specific release.
[02:23] <plugwash> So to confirm if a bug is fixed in development (and in this case also fixed in the last couple of stable releases) has not been targeted to a particular release and it seems unlikely to be worth fixing in releases that don't already have the fix


[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clblas [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10-4]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clblas [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10-4]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clblas [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10-4]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clblas [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10-4]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clfft [arm64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.2-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clfft [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.2-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clfft [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.2-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libcmrt [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.6+dfsg1-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [arm64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clblas [arm64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10-4]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clblas [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10-4]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clfft [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.2-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clfft [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.2-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted winff [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [1.5.3-7ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireshark [arm64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.0+g5368c50-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireshark [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.0+g5368c50-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireshark [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.0+g5368c50-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clblas [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10-4]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clfft [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.2-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireshark [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.0+g5368c50-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireshark [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.0+g5368c50-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted clfft [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.12.2-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireshark [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.0+g5368c50-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2ubuntu1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireshark [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.0+g5368c50-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted android-platform-build [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [1:6.0.1+r55-2]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted android-platform-build [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [1:6.0.1+r55-2]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mia [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.3-2]
[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libcmrt [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/none) [1.0.6+dfsg1-1] (no packageset)
[07:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libcmrt [i386] (yakkety-proposed/none) [1.0.6+dfsg1-1] (no packageset)
[07:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libcmrt [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.6+dfsg1-1]
[07:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libcmrt [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.6+dfsg1-1]
[11:55] <sergiusens> apw hi there, any luck with triggering the snapcraft/amd64/yakkety tests using snapd from -proposed?
[12:15] <apw> sergiusens, will check if it took
[12:15] <apw> sergiusens, yes it is, so we should know in an hour
[12:41] <sergiusens> apw greatly appreciated!
[12:42] <doko_> is there anybody running auto-demotions for packages in the release pocket without looking at the proposed pocket?
[12:44] <doko_> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619213 as an example
[12:45] <doko_> slangasek, infinity, seb128, cjwatson, pitti, whoever? ^^^
[12:46] <cjwatson> Not I
[12:46] <seb128> not me, I didn't demote anything this cycle
[12:50] <pitti> I sometimes demote stuff on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt, could have been me
[12:51] <pitti> I'll check c-m-proposed next time, s orry
[14:27] <apw> sergiusens, that seems to have failed with "error: unknown flag `force-dangerous"
[14:27] <sergiusens> apw oh, I wanted to hide my shame http://launchpadlibrarian.net/283981083/snapcraft_2.17+16.10.1_2.17+16.10.1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[14:28] <ogra_> oh the fun
[14:28] <apw> for: 2.17+16.10.1ubuntu1 triggered: snapcraft/2.17+16.10.1ubuntu1 snapd/2.14.2+gitcc9d039-0ubuntu5
[14:28] <sergiusens> apw I uploaded 2.17+16.10.1ubuntu2
[14:28] <apw> sergiusens, oh ok
[14:30] <apw> sergiusens, i'll wait for that to publish and wack some re-tests in
[14:30] <sergiusens> apw thank you for your patience!
[14:33] <ogra_> you should send a bill to the creators of --force-dangerous ... and allow them to only reject it if they opick the right arg out of --dangerous/--force-dangerous ... and they only get one try ;)
[14:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xorg-server (xenial-proposed/main) [2:1.18.3-1ubuntu2.3 => 2:1.18.3-1ubuntu2.4] (desktop-core, xorg) (sync)
[15:08] <slangasek> doko_: there is definitely /someone/ running those auto-demotions, because licensecheck's deps keep getting kicked out.  but it's not me - I guess it was pitti.  I got the memo about checking both :)
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adobe-flashplugin (trusty-proposed/partner) [1:20160712.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:20160913.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adobe-flashplugin (xenial-proposed/partner) [1:20160712.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:20160913.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adobe-flashplugin (precise-proposed/partner) [1:20160712.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:20160913.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: libzmf (yakkety-proposed/primary) [0.0.1-2]
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adobe-flashplugin [source] (precise-proposed) [1:20160913.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adobe-flashplugin [source] (trusty-proposed) [1:20160913.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adobe-flashplugin [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:20160913.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:11] <slangasek> qa.ubuntuwire.com down, or is it me?
[20:12] <ogra_> seems down
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.7.7-31-g65ace7b-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[20:15] <jbicha> yeah, /usr/bin/reverse-depends doesn't work either now :(
[20:15] <slangasek> yes, that's what I was trying to use
[21:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: juju-mongodb3.2 (xenial-proposed/universe) [3.2.4-0ubuntu1.2 => 3.2.9-0ubuntu1~16.04] (no packageset)
[21:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openipmi (xenial-proposed/main) [2.0.18-0ubuntu11 => 2.0.18-0ubuntu11.1] (ubuntu-server)
[21:39] <tumbleweed> slangasek: it seems the physical host under ubuntuwire is down. Can spin up another reverse-deps instance somewhere if we need it
[21:42] <jbicha> tumbleweed: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ is important too
[21:43] <tumbleweed> hrm, I have one of those running, I think?
[21:44] <tumbleweed> nope, it appears not
[21:48] <slangasek> tumbleweed: as you can imagine, I can find ways to manage without it, but it's a high profile service and I'm sure we'd love to have it back :)
[22:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzmf [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[22:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libzmf [i386] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[22:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libzmf [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[22:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libzmf [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[22:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libzmf [arm64] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[22:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libzmf [armhf] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libzmf [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzmf [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzmf [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzmf [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzmf [arm64] (yakkety-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzmf [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzmf [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[22:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libzmf [s390x] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[22:56] <mwhudson> can someone reject juju-mongodb3.2 3.2.8-0ubuntu3~16.04 from xenial unapproved please?
[22:56] <mwhudson> (that's the older of the two juju-mongodb3.2s in the queue :-p)


[14:32] <AlanBell> hi all
[14:32] <AlanBell> in our LoCo global jam we are going through the natty screenreader install (and maybe some other a11y install options)
[14:33] <AlanBell> and filing bugs
[14:33] <AlanBell> starting at 16:00 UK time, which is  in 1:30 from now
[14:33] <AlanBell> we are using mumble audio conferencing on the mumble.libertus.co.uk server
[16:58] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: can I have the link to your test script again please
[18:10] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopAccessibility
[18:10] <AlanBell> thakns
[18:11] <AlanBell> step 4 is wrong
[18:11] <AlanBell> F5 3 enter *down* enter
[18:11] <charlie-tca> just hitting 3 fails now?
[18:11] <AlanBell> otherwise you are on the "try" rather than "install" option
[18:11] <charlie-tca> At the cd menu, right?
[18:12] <AlanBell> hitting 3 is ok, but you want it to start ubiquity rather than boot to the desktop
[18:12] <charlie-tca> F5, screen-reader is the third item
[18:12] <AlanBell> yes
[18:12] <AlanBell> then enter to select it
[18:12] <AlanBell> then *down*
[18:12] <charlie-tca> no, it will automatically start orca even on the live cd
[18:12] <AlanBell> yes, but it is hard to get to the installer
[18:13] <charlie-tca> If you select install at that point, much of the rest is also wrong,
[18:13] <charlie-tca> since it was written to interact with the live deskjto\
[18:13] <charlie-tca> desktop, in unity
[18:13] <charlie-tca> The whole install will fail if it defaults now to classic-gnome, too
[18:13] <AlanBell> ok
[18:14] <AlanBell> I just did another video with more success than the last one
[21:06] <AlanBell> http://www.google.com/experimental/ nice