[08:41] <vish> sense: hmm , you got some weird indentations going on in that debugging wiki..
[08:41] <sense> vish: Really? In what way?
[08:42]  * vish fixing some
[08:42] <vish> sense: oddly some words are italic and some are bold.. its wiki's fault though..
[08:42] <sense> vish: Ah, do you know how to fix that?
[08:43] <sense> morning seb128
[08:43] <vish> sense: yeah , on it.. i'm changing the layout there.. it seems to have problems when dots are present or something..
[08:44] <sense> vish: Weird. Thanks for looking into it!
[08:44] <vish> np..
[08:44] <thorwil> vish: isn't both bold and italic done with a certain number of '
[08:44] <seb128> hey sense
[08:45] <thorwil> vish: meaning that forgetting one throws off the markup of the entire page?
[08:45] <vish> thorwil: yeah , but when you look here [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingAyatana ] , you'll notice that the lines not meant to be italic are italic too
[08:46] <vish> thorwil: there are some forgotten markups too :)
[08:51] <thorwil> vish: having to write markup without any editor support, especially syntax highlighting is bad. tempted to say unacceptable, but as it seems to be wiki standard ...
[09:23] <vish> sense: i think i fixed most of the markups , had to change a few lines. Just check if everything is right : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingAyatana
[09:24] <sense> vish: Am looking at it right now. Thank you!
[09:24] <vish> np..
[09:24] <sense> Looks good to me.
[14:43] <bratsche> vish around?
[14:48] <LaserJock> is the UNE PPA scheduled to get updated packages sometime soonish?
[14:51] <jcastro> didrocks: ^^^
[14:51] <didrocks> LaserJock: either this evening or tomorrow morning
[14:52] <didrocks> LaserJock: didn't have the time with the sprint and GUADEC last two weeks
[14:59] <LaserJock> didrocks: right, makes sense
[15:15] <sense> bratsche: There was this patch for GTK+2.0 that added the 'child-added' and 'child-removed' signals to GtkContainers. It is used by libappindicator to detect whether a submenu was added or not.
[15:15] <sense> bratsche: However, it seems the signal 'child-added' is raised too little (only once), and 'child-removed' never.
[15:16] <sense> bratsche: Is that correct and could that be the cause of libappindicator not adding submenus to AppInd menus when they are added later?
[15:16] <bratsche> sense: Yeah, I'm aware of that.  It's something I'd like to fix, but it's quite an investment of time to figure out everywhere that they could be emitted from.  I think I only did the signal emission in the one point that really mattered for that particular bug, for now.
[15:17] <bratsche> If you know of any other places where it would be a useful emission then we should emit in those places as well.
[15:17] <sense> bratsche: I think it was not at exactly the right point, since I'm facing that bug right now. Shall I take a closer look at that bug and see where else it can be emitted?
[15:17] <sense> bratsche: I'll submit a new patch and subscribe you.
[15:17] <bratsche> Yeah, that would be great.
[15:17] <bratsche> Thanks.
[15:17] <sense> You're welcome. Thank you for your answer!
[15:47] <vish> bratsche: oh hi, havent poked mpt yet , didnt wanna poke him the first thing on a Mon morn , will poke him now.. :D
[15:48] <bratsche> vish: It's okay, I've already done so.
[15:48] <vish> bratsche: oh, you already merged the branch , neat thanks!  :)
[15:49] <bratsche> We'll see what happens, maybe it will need to be backed out later but for now it's merged in.
[16:22] <vish> sense: same concern was raised for "Home" too , every language is not the same , translator needs to use best judgment
[16:23] <sense> vish: True, but Home is of a completely different kind that Restart I think, because it is a difference in word type. Verb vs noun.
[16:23] <mpt> I haven't had my daily poke
[16:24] <sense> We should give mpt some attention? Vish, anything he can look at?
[16:24] <vish> mpt: Bug 586928 today's initial dose ;)
[16:25] <vish> more to come.. ;p
[16:25] <sense> mpt: There was a suggestion for a translation paper cuts project reported as a paper cut. Not sure if technically speaking that bug report would be a valid paper cut, but it is an interesting suggestion. ;)
[16:26] <sense> mpt: Previously we also had an idea from Siegel to accept paper cuts for screenshots of applications shown in the Software Centre, next to the descriptions we're already accepting.
[16:26] <sense> So there are quite some potential extra paper cuts candidates, that's for sure.
[16:26] <vish> sense: i'm thinking of what to do with that translations bug.. me dont have enough help for the main bug , are we gonna split it for every language.. ;p
[16:26] <vish> sense: seems like dpm is on it :)
[16:27] <sense> vish: Yeah, that's good. But I don't think those paper cuts should be added to the 'hundredpapercuts' project as well.
[16:27] <vish> s/me/we
[16:27] <sense> vish: s/me/I/
[16:27] <sense> Although there were some other triagers active as well.
[16:28] <sense> vish: I should have some more time now GUADEC is over, but Friday we depart to England for a two week holiday, and no, that does not include a visit to Millbank. ;)
[16:29] <vish> sense: you better start fixing some bugs, else the next time i see you , i'm gonna whip you ;)
[16:30] <sense> Don't make me avoid you!
[16:31] <sense> I am learning the bzr bd-do stuff from the desktop team right now, that could help with making fixing easier for me,t hough.
[16:31] <vish> sense: cool!
[16:33] <vish> sense: there , marked it as "Opinion"
[16:33] <vish> my first "opinion" \o/
[16:33] <sense> yay!
[16:33] <sense> First!
[16:38] <sense> bratsche: I think I've found out why the 'child-added' signal didn't work: it was only triggered when you insert a menu item into a GtkMenuShell, but I think gtk_menu_item_set_submenu() is a separate function. However, I am now a bit in doubt. Should we use the "child-added" signal for both adding childs to a GtkMenuShell, and for adding a submenu to a GtkMenuItem, or should we create a new signal? The latter would be more consistent, but would defaut
[16:38] <sense> the whole purpose of the former signal.
[16:39] <bratsche> Yeah, makes sense.
[16:40] <sense> bratsche: So I could remove the child-added and child-removed signals and create a submenu-added and submenu-removed signal instead. What do you say?
[16:40] <bratsche> Well, I think the child-added may still be useful though.
[16:41] <sense> I'll keep it around.
[17:41] <Cimi> bratsche: I'm in london :)
[17:46] <bratsche> Cool
[18:24] <Cimi> bratsche: do you have some patches for me? :)
[18:34] <sense> bratsche: You were right, we actually need the 'child-added' signal elsewhere in the AppInd code.
[18:39] <bratsche> sense: Yeah I thought we would.  But thanks for noticing the need for the submenu-added signal.
[18:41] <sense> bratsche: You're welcome. :) That discovery made my life easier, since I need it for the Deluge AppInd.
[18:41] <bratsche> sense: Nice work dude!
[18:48] <sense> Dang, I broke GTK+. :P
[18:51] <sense> Wait, that is not funny.
[19:05] <davidbarth> Cimi: hey, how's London?
[20:40] <sense> vish: What to do with bug #602680? It is the description of a non-default package that looks a lot like a default system package. Packages like these have always bothered me because they show up in the Software Centre like any other package, but they are non-default, might replace default system parts and therefore are confusing.
[20:42] <vish> sense: we should hide some of them , my VM is not booting right now , so cant really check if it is hidden or not
[20:42] <sense> vish: Last time I checked it wasn't.
[20:42] <sense> vish: There are things in place already to do so?
[20:43] <sense> vish: I'm running Maverick, I can be your VM if you want. ;)
[20:43] <vish> sense: yeah , in Maverick , we have a section called "Technical items" and a lot of items can be hidden , but not sure how they are hidden right now yet..
[20:44] <vish> sense: search , something , it will show only a few items , and the rest are hidden
[20:44] <gambs> It provides a link to show technical items at the bottom of the search results field.
[20:45] <sense> Yes, but it seems usermode isn't properly hidden by it.
[20:45] <sense> Good such a system is in place, though.
[20:47] <sense> vish: Do we forward package description bugs?
[20:48] <vish> sense: i'm sending them to debian too , but not sure everything will get accepted , thats why i attach debdiff on lp as well
[20:48] <sense> ok
[20:48] <sense> vish: And it has been you who has been generating those debdiffs?
[20:49] <vish> sense: hmm, not sure i understand your question?
[20:49] <vish> sense: hehe , you mean am I writing those debdiffs?
[20:50] <vish> sense: yup :D
[20:50] <sense> Great work! :)
[20:50] <vish> sense: well , if I'm asking others to fix , I should fix them as well :)
[20:50] <sense> I'll try to live up to your example, although this mere mortal will probably never achieve more than the mere ghost of your greatness
[20:51] <sense> Leading by example is a good thing to do.
[20:51] <sense> It makes other people do more easily what you tell them to do.


[00:30] <Craigwdy2k> Well: I have some great news: I just tried the AMD64 Xubuntu Alternate Installer 10.10 Beta 1 LiveCD & this time I ended up with an actual AMD64 distro.  It appears to work fine except for the Bluetooth icon that was present before is mysteriously missing...
[00:31] <emvee> what version did you install before craig?
[00:36] <Craigwdy2k> i386 Xubuntu 10.10 Beta 1.  I tried both of the GUI based AMD64 Installers for Xubuntu (i.e. 10.04 & 10.10 Beta 1) but they wouldn't boot this particular PC laptop without issues...
[00:38] <Craigwdy2k> Strange considering I had no issues booting previously from both the AMD64 Kubuntu 10.04 & 10.10 Alpha 3 DVDs...
[00:40] <Craigwdy2k> The Kubuntu 10.04 DVD even offered to fix my broken Windows XP Pro. SP 3 install when I mistakenly ran it in LiveDVD mode...
[00:43] <Craigwdy2k> It felt as thought I had just burned two defective LiveCDs in a row or the CRC MD5SUMs didn't match whatever they should've been...
[00:43] <Craigwdy2k> though*
[00:47] <Craigwdy2k> This PC Laptop's optical drive has been acting quite strangely lately though: it can play the Animusic Special Edition Dual Layer DVD in VLC 1.0.5 under Windows 7 x64 but yet it seemed to have trouble playing the Animusic 2 Dual Layer DVD despite my upgrading the optical drive's firmware to RPC-II first too...
[00:50] <Craigwdy2k> Should I consider replacing the optical drive...?  I can't even update it due to various issues like not knowing if my Windows XP Pro. SP 3 install will run right under WINE (an unofficial Patch for Windows XP previously caused it to get stuck in a infinite reboot loop...).
[00:54] <Craigwdy2k> The firmware updater is Windows based: the laptop's optical drive is a LG GSA-T20L (a LG GSA-T50L in OEM clothing...)...
[00:59] <Craigwdy2k> I also need to find a way to make the invisible .wine folder in my User Directory visible so I can load the firmware file into MediaCodeSpeedEdit for RPC-II patching...
[01:00] <subspider> !files
[01:02] <Craigwdy2k> Strange: that page doesn't even mention the existence of invisible folders in your Home Directory...
[01:03] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, you want to chage propeties of folder right ??
[01:03] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah.
[01:03] <subspider> from hidden to show
[01:04] <subspider> ??
[01:04] <Craigwdy2k> Yes.
[01:04] <subspider> why
[01:04] <subspider> ??
[01:05] <Craigwdy2k> The firmware files get unpacked into either the NTFS partition or the virtual C Drive but I'm not sure since I have no experience at all with using WINE with a real install of Windows...
[01:06] <subspider> wine is to emulate some windows programs
[01:06] <subspider> not all
[01:07] <subspider> is not vmware
[01:07] <subspider> .wine is folder with wine confis
[01:07] <subspider> virtual c drive is just a folder
[01:08] <subspider> so no ntfs
[01:08] <Craigwdy2k> Yes: if they got unpacked into that .wine folder I might be able to manipulate the firmware file...  The other option would be to use Universal Extractor to force unpack the InstallShield packed Installer...
[01:10] <subspider> if run installer normally he install on virtual c but you can run the program on NTFS partition if it is already installed on a windows partition
[01:11] <subspider> to show the hidden file just press ctrl + h
[01:12] <subspider> to have the folder viewble just take the . out
[01:13] <subspider> imagine if i create folder ".lol" is hdden
[01:13] <subspider> but folder "lol" is not hidden
[01:14] <subspider> hope i answered you question Craigwdy2k
[01:14] <Craigwdy2k> The other issue is I can't get NTFS-3G to mount my FireWire External 80 GB LaCie Hard Drive...  I'd love to have access to all of my Downloads & Documents...  If I could convince NTFS-3G to mount my real C Drive or my External Hard Drive I would be able to get actual work done in Linux.  I had this very same issue in Kubuntu 10.04 & Fedora Core 13...
[01:16] <subspider> so actually your issue is mounting drives??
[01:16] <subspider> !mount
[01:17] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah: they refuse to mount properly: somebody in #kubuntu claimed it was just X being dumb...  I don't know if that's it or if my particular FireWire chipset has Linux compatibility issues or what the deal is...
[01:20] <Craigwdy2k> This makes me wonder if I could mount the XP Pro SP 3 partition by editing /etc/fstab...: I keep seeing it in the GRUB boot-up menu but both KDE 4 & XCFE refuse to automount it correctly...
[01:22] <subspider> ok
[01:23] <subspider> let me see you want to mount windows partitions
[01:23] <subspider> ??
[01:23] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah.
[01:23] <subspider> on same disk
[01:23] <subspider> ??
[01:23] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah.
[01:24] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, are u suing xubuntu
[01:24] <subspider> ??
[01:25] <subspider> sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[01:25] <Craigwdy2k> Yes: These hardware related issues keep making my wonder if there's an XFCE equivalent for KInfoCenter too...
[01:26] <subspider> Craigwdy2k,  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindowsfstab
[01:26] <subspider> normally i use that and it works grate since i shutdown my windows well
[01:27] <subspider> if you want to use kde services on xfce you can
[01:28] <subspider> Aplications > defenitions > mager xfce >session > advanced >
[01:29] <subspider> and check initiate KDE services on start
[01:35] <subspider> how to include path plz someone help
[01:35] <subspider> ???
[01:44] <Craigwdy2k> I just checked that definitions Menu doesn't exist...: maybe we're running different versions of XFCE...
[01:47] <Craigwdy2k> Subspider: I just checked that definitions Menu doesn't exist...: maybe we're running different versions of XFCE...
[01:48] <subspider> hm
[01:48] <subspider> strange
[01:48] <subspider> are you using xubuntu
[01:48] <subspider> ??
[01:48] <Craigwdy2k> Yes.
[01:49] <subspider> you must have it
[01:49] <subspider> wait
[01:51] <subspider> my menu is in other language
[01:51] <subspider> go to application
[01:51] <subspider> then
[01:51] <subspider> defenitions
[01:52] <subspider> xfce 4 defentions manager
[01:53] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, did you found it
[01:53] <subspider> ??
[01:54] <Craigwdy2k> No.  Subspider: I would think it would naturally be under either the Settings or Accessories Menus but it isn't in either of them...
[01:54] <subspider> no
[01:54] <subspider> ok i will take print screen
[02:04] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, if you click ok applications the second options form up to down can you tell me what is it??
[02:07] <Craigwdy2k> It's Accessories Subspider; I also just found this interesting bugs report page: http://bit.ly/aqeabN.  This is not looking too good for me at all...
[02:11] <subspider> i think i can't help you Craigwdy2k
[02:11] <subspider> sorry
[04:02] <Ekushey> what is the minimum hardware requirements for xubuntu?
[04:02] <Ekushey> will it run on a 500 MHz machine?
[04:10] <likemindead> Yes, Ekushey.
[04:10] <likemindead> RAM is more important.
[04:10] <likemindead> How much do you have?
[04:16] <Ekushey> likemindead 256 MB
[04:17] <Ekushey> I hope the CPU clock speed will not be a big problem?
[04:17] <likemindead> If you can bump the RAM up to at least 512 it'll be okay.
[04:18] <Ekushey> should I try the alternate installer CD then, likemindead?
[04:19] <likemindead> Yeah, you can. It will install. Just don't expect too much. Firefox will be sluggish and no YouTube, etc.
[04:20] <Ekushey> no youtube? can't I install flash plugin on xubuntu?
[04:20] <Ekushey> or is that youtube doesn't work on PCs with low memory?
[04:22] <likemindead> Right, not enough memory. It'll be choppy at best.
[04:23] <Ekushey> oh ok, let me at least try :)
[04:23] <Ekushey> thanks for talking to me, likemindead
[04:24] <likemindead> Sure thing.
[04:28] <Ekushey> oh one more question likemindead: the installation process, is it GUI based, or text based?
[04:29] <likemindead> I haven't used an Alternate CD in a couple of years...
[04:29] <Ekushey> what about the standard one?
[04:30] <likemindead> Yes, the regular Xubuntu install has a lovely GUI.
[04:30] <Ekushey> that's great :)  thanks again
[14:53] <changbing> hello, I am using xubuntu 10.10 alpha 3, it is wonderful. but I can not play video clip in firefox browser,what shall I do now?
[14:55] <changbing> neither can I play audio clip with firefox browser. I confirm that the soundcard driver is properly installed since I can play music with VLC.
[15:05] <knome> !ubuntu+1
[16:21] <slow-motion> hi
[17:12] <knome> skit-lasse, i don't know if it's a script saying 'hi' every time you join or just you, but could you please stop that script/habit? it makes people think there might be somebody needing support in the channel continuously. thanks.
[17:12] <knome> skit-lasse, oops, sorry :)
[17:12] <knome> slow-motion, see my message two lines ago
[17:12] <knome> skit-lasse, anyway, maybe try rethinkin your nick, i don't really think it's so nice...
[17:42] <skit-lasse> yeah
[17:42] <skit-lasse> i know
[17:43] <skit-lasse> but i have been using it now quite many years, and i think that only scandidavian people will understand it
[17:43] <skit-lasse> but anyhow, i donät know why i even still hang in this channel
[17:45] <knome> skit-lasse, there is lots of scandinavian people here, and it's not really about majorities or minorities
[17:46] <skit-lasse> you are right
[17:46] <skit-lasse> i have actually thinking altering my nick
[17:46] <skit-lasse> i have one in my mind already
[17:47] <knome> skit-lasse, okay, thanks :)
[17:51] <slow-motion> bye
[18:49] <xubuntu653> hi all
[18:50] <likemindead> !hi | xubuntu653
[22:42] <gverig> Stupid question... For laptop OS, desktop, primary machine, developer (java/C++/other), some browsing and what not- what do you think is better between [XK]*ubuntu
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu, of course
[22:46] <charlie-tca> How much RAM, what speed CPU, etc?
[22:54] <gverig> charlie-tca: core i5, 8G ram, SSD drive, decent graphics
[22:54] <gverig> Probably multimonitor setup while in the doc
[22:55] <Sysi> gverig: there's only one true anver to that, and you should know it
[22:55] <gverig> charlie-tca: Funnly, #ubuntu says Gnome FTW... it's almost like vested interest ;)
[22:55] <Sysi> what even you like the most
[22:55] <gverig> But I'd like reasoning, if possible )
[22:55] <gverig> :)
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Won't make any difference, will it?
[22:55] <charlie-tca> personal choice
[22:55] <Sysi> if you got hdd, get al three desktops
[22:56] <Sysi> *ssd, space i mean
[22:56] <gverig> Yeah... I am trying to save meself some time. I have tried both at different times and settled on Gnome. I guess I was wondering if anything has changed since then
[22:58] <gverig> Sysi: I got it. It's more an issue of time rather than space. I don't want all 3 in the same partition (cause they tend to mess up menus and what not). And I'm not ready to spend a week trying them out (cause that's at least what it'll take).
[22:58] <gverig> I was looking for an easy ansewr and I guess there isn't one )
[22:58] <gverig> :)
[23:01] <charlie-tca> The easy answer is dependent on the amount of RAM and the CPU. With your machine, there should be very little real difference
[23:58] <e__> hola


 @julienlavergne When you started using the indicator applet for sound in lubuntu-default-settings shipped with Yakkety, I'm wondering why you didn't add a hard dep on indicator-sound
 (instead of lxpanel's alsamixer)
 @julienlavergne I've been trying to diagnose this problem but figured it out by looking at the lubuntu.yakkety Bazaar branch changelog...
 Except, not fixed yet... sigh
 @tsimonq2, 😐
 @tsimonq2, *indicator-sound-gtk2
[01:03] <lubot10> That is my issue
[01:21] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-default-settings (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.46 => 0.46.1] (lubuntu)
[07:51] <JulienLavergnegi> I don't like adding hard dep on settings, especially when the settings are used by both gtk and at seed
[07:51] <JulienLavergnegi> It's something that should go to the seed
[07:51] <tsimonq2> Fair.
[07:52] <tsimonq2> And it is there.


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[12:33] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: OSM-MR#8 Hackfest: the highlights @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/osm-mr8-hackfest-the-highlights
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[16:10] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: It’s Almost Too Easy to Install Ubuntu on a Raspberry Pi @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=165752 (by Joey Sneddon)
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[04:52] <ethana2> I'd prefer not to risk borking my hard drive right before i send the rest of my machine to dell, that'd be a rough week
[04:52] <ethana2> do the livecd's somewhat work for testing?
[04:53] <ethana2> ..on the daily .iso's?
[08:33] <davmor2> Morning guys how's things going?
[08:33] <ethana2> i /think/ alpha 3 is out
[08:33] <ethana2> i'm trying to get my vm working
[08:34] <ethana2> i think virt-manager has some dependencies that aren't official
[08:35] <ethana2> ah, there we go
[08:42] <soren> "official dependencies"?
[08:47] <ethana2> it needs it to work
[08:47] <ethana2> but it's not a dependency of the package
[08:47] <ethana2> but it's an either/or thing so that may be hard
[08:47] <ethana2> i got it, just qemu is all
[08:47] <Hobbsee> ah yes, it's out
[08:49] <davmor2> slangasek: congrats on getting it out :)
[08:49] <slangasek> davmor2: thanks for all your testing help!
[08:51] <davmor2> I might test the new Kubuntu desktop cd :)
[09:06] <soren> ethana2: You don't need qemu to use virt-manager.
[09:07] <ethana2> it was the virtualization engine i selected
[09:07] <ethana2> and it wasn't installed
[09:07] <ethana2> so it connected fine
[09:07] <ethana2> and installed kinda--- and then it died because it couldn't actually start th evm
[09:08] <ethana2> it's all good now
[09:11] <soren> Still.... You don't need qemu to use virt-manager. Certainly, its absence could be handled more gracefully, but qemu is not a dependency of virt-manager.
[09:18] <cjwatson> davmor2: *thwap* for detail level in bug 251634 ;-)
[09:23] <davmor2> cjwatson: I know but I needed a quick bug to link too ;) and was knackered.  Plus I don't actually know what the issue was or where to look to find the fault :)
[09:24] <cjwatson> /var/log/oem-config.log is usually what I need
[09:24] <cjwatson> plus a visual description of how it failed
[09:24] <cjwatson> you can see what happened; tell me :)
[09:24] <davmor2> I'll need to reinstall to get the logs and I just ran the update script :(  (Fail on my behalf)
[09:29] <ethana2> soren: hmm
[09:29] <ethana2> time for bed
[09:29] <ethana2> good work guys, you rock
[09:34] <davmor2> cjwatson: I assumed maybe incorrectly that it was the same issue for both bugs which is why I put them together.  In that both die on the user setup section.
[09:35] <davmor2> But I will separate them out for you and give you some more info on the issue :)
[09:36] <cjwatson> davmor2: you said one failed in localisation, and one in user-setup
[09:36] <cjwatson> suggesting two different failures?
[09:36] <davmor2> np's
[09:36] <cjwatson> well, no, I'm not trying to get you to agree, I'm just trying to figure out the status :)
[09:39] <davmor2> No you could be right.  The kubuntu one just displays a black screen and white outlined cross rather than going onto the localization screen and the ubuntu one just would continue past the localization screen :)
[09:40] <davmor2> So I will separate them out as different bugs and let you figure out if they are related :)  But your fixed version might of solved the issues already :)
[09:50] <davmor2> cjwatson: is that better for you?
[09:51] <cjwatson> those definitely sound entirely different
[09:52] <cjwatson> Kubuntu is probably due to kdesudo, I'd appreciate ensuring that any bug you file there has at least oem-config 1.43
[09:52] <cjwatson> for Ubuntu, do you mean that it went straight onto page two, and then none of the controls worked?
[09:52] <cjwatson> or something different?
[09:52] <davmor2> :) it's what ever version was in yesterdays alternative cd....
[09:53] <cjwatson> there's a .list file alongside the image
[09:53] <cjwatson> yesterday's Kubuntu> toast for oem-config, skip that unless it's reproducible with the next one
[09:54] <davmor2> Ubuntu opens on Localization and reports no localization you hit forward as it is the only button you can press and nothing it goes no further
[09:54] <cjwatson> ok, haven't seen that one before
[09:54] <cjwatson> would help if you could confirm whether it's present with the next CD along, though, something with 1.44 or better
[09:54] <davmor2> the ubuntu one I'll check on the lasted live too to see if your fixes have solved it :)
[09:55] <cjwatson> actually, yeah, that's probably just because localechooser-data got upgraded and oem-config needed to be synced
[09:55] <cjwatson> but confirmation would be good
[09:55] <cjwatson> known issue even with 1.44: it won't do country selection properly, so you'll always get the default country for the language (e.g. en_US even if you select London). I've fixed that in bzr
[09:56] <davmor2> just working would be good for now :)
[09:57] <davmor2> right breakfast and then I'll report the ubuntu one and try and reproduce and get the log files for you :)
[10:04] <hbbs1> Hi
[10:04] <hbbs1> There'll be a Ibex Alpha 3 LIve CD?
[10:12] <davmor2> cjwatson: is bug 251741 okay for starters :)
[10:21] <cjwatson> davmor2: yes, thanks, though it should specify whether it's alternate or desktop
[10:37] <davmor2> cjwatson: you're just nit pickin' now aren't you :)
[10:38] <cjwatson> davmor2: actually, no.
[10:38] <cjwatson> davmor2: there are non-trivial differences, and in particular without that information I can't determine which version of oem-config you were using - for alpha 3, they differed for alternate and desktop
[10:39] <davmor2> I know just pokin' fun dude :)  I've added variant (alt) and version (32bit/64bit) to both for you :)
[10:39] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:40] <davmor2> so anything else other than the log file that you'll need?
[10:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: ^
[10:42] <davmor2> morning heno  Alpha 3 got released :)
[10:43] <heno> davmor2: so I see :)
[10:44] <davmor2> I think more cause it needed to get back on schedule than by testing most aren't complete :(
[10:44] <cjwatson> davmor2: shouldn't be
[10:44] <cjwatson> well, desktop did at least get fixed
[10:45] <davmor2> cjwatson: okay no probs, Kubuntu is installing so I'll add the log files as I retrieve them :)
[10:56] <cjwatson> ta
[11:23] <thekorn_live> hi all, I'm currently testing amd64 live session, and I try to understand how jockey *should* work
[11:24] <thekorn_live> 1.) what should happen if multiverse is not enabled?
[11:24] <davmor2> thekorn_live: it doesn't on live
[11:25] <thekorn_live> right, multiverse is not enable, in this case jockey always silently fails to install restricted drivers
[11:26] <thekorn_live> whithout any hint to enable multiverse
[11:27] <thekorn_live> so I'm not sure if this is a bug (in jockey) or if the user should know to enable multiverse
[11:28] <thekorn_live> 2.) if a user sucessfully installed a driver via jockey for his video card, should compiz be enabled automatically?
[11:32] <davmor2> thekorn_live: it's not meant to work on live fullstop how do you reboot the system?
[11:35] <thekorn_live> davmor2: ah, I did not restart, because I heard the login sound twice, so I thought there was some magic going on to automatically start compiz
[11:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: oem-config.log on bug 251634 along with the error messages fro cli running sudo oem-config-prepare and a small photo of the screen,  anything else before I do the ubuntu one?
[11:56] <davmor2> moved on anyway
[12:01] <cjwatson> davmor2: thanks, that should be all
[12:02] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's collecting info on the ubuntu one for you next
[12:02] <davmor2> do you just need to log file again?
[12:05] <cjwatson> davmor2: yeah
[12:05] <davmor2> np's I'll ping you when it's done
[12:36] <davmor2> cjwatson: that's weird the bug I had yesterday has changed this tim it just skipped the localization page and went to the world map on 2of 4
[12:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: log file attached to bug 251741
[12:46] <cjwatson> davmor2: was the Forward button active on page two?
[12:47] <cjwatson> damnit, log file is useless. I really need to put the version number in there!
[12:47] <davmor2> yes from page 2 on everything worked but it's page one that didn't last time
[12:47] <cjwatson> davmor2: dpkg -l oem-config please
[12:48] <davmor2> 1.44 full is added to the bug
[12:50] <cjwatson> thanks
[12:50] <davmor2> anything else you need?
[14:09] <davmor2> cgregan: morning Chris what's it like in the states?
[14:10] <cgregan> morning.....sunny and 70 degrees F
[14:12] <cgregan> our president is a cowboy and our economy is tanking.....but it is 70 F and sunny! :-)
[14:13] <davmor2> :) Nice more info than I expected and quite amusing
[14:13] <cgregan> davmor2: How about the UK....anyone get superglued together today?
[14:15] <davmor2> Plenty of sticking points on the iso's but 26C and bloody muggy is about all you can say for the weather :)
[14:16] <stgraber> what ?? it's warmer in the UK ?? and it's not raining ?? :)
[14:17] <jpds> stgraber: Yes.
[14:18] <davmor2> stgraber: don't forget muggy
[14:18] <stgraber> well, it's 29 C here and sunny.
[14:18] <stgraber> davmor2: right
[14:18]  * jpds blames the global warming.
[14:19]  * davmor2 blames sbeattie it's always his fault :D
[15:00] <cr3> hey dudes
[15:01] <cr3> stgraber: ping, whatcha working on? any news about schwuk?
[15:03] <stgraber> cr3: doing paperwork for my move to Canada and fighting with Zope when I have time ... still fails when accessing /builds/<secure-id> for reason I'm trying to determine as that page is basically an empty one ... (just for testing)
[15:03] <stgraber> cr3: no news about schwuk since yesterday morning
[15:03] <stgraber> cr3: no commit to his branch either
[15:04] <cr3> stgraber: I hope everything is alright with him :(
[15:05] <cr3> stgraber: would you have time to try troubleshooting the problem with /builds/<secure_id> together?
[15:05] <stgraber> cr3: yes, I'm available for at least an hour, should be enough as I'm pretty sure it's nothing big.
[15:06] <cr3> stgraber: excellent, how about we start by sending me a patch of your changes
[15:06] <cr3> stgraber: (make sure to bzr add any files which you might've created so that they appear in the patch)
[15:08] <stgraber> sent
[15:09] <cr3> stgraber: by the way, how do you map <secure_id> to a particular build? I don't think that's in the database
[15:09] <stgraber> cr3: that'll be my problem when I at least find a way to get a blank page to display :)
[15:09] <davmor2> pure comedy
[15:10] <davmor2> guy has just rung me up to do a survey about the work I had done on my car and his computer crashed :D
[15:12] <cr3> stgraber: actually, we'll just use the date which is unique in this context
[15:13] <stgraber> I get links like: http://localhost:8080/builds/build-result-20080423.2 so that's already using the date which should then be fine
[15:14] <stgraber> and: http://localhost:8080/builds/disk-result-41 for detailed results for a specific CD
[15:17] <davmor2> stgraber: update on the kubuntu cd it installed :)
[15:18] <cr3> stgraber: so far, you have the right idea about creating a new view with Zope3
[15:20] <cr3> stgraber: err, where -41 is the id in the table? I don't expose those as a rule
[15:22] <stgraber> I use "item/result/name" for the link so the id got exposed somehow
[15:23] <stgraber> for disk we don't have anything unique other than the id AFAICS
[15:25] <cr3> stgraber: yeah, we'll find something. perhaps /disks/ubuntu-server/date
[15:25] <cr3> stgraber: do you see output in stdout when running the web server?
[15:25] <stgraber> yes
[15:26] <cr3> stgraber: did you see: AttributeError: type object 'BuildResult' has no attribute 'get_by_secure_id'
[15:26] <stgraber> yes
[15:27] <cr3> stgraber: ok, first I'll change the url to only use the date
[15:35] <cr3> stgraber: one part that sucks is that BuildResultTableNavigator.items is returning dicts rather than objects, which is uncool
[15:36] <cr3> the reason is that objects enable us to leverage some of the power of Zope3, so we could use ${item/++url++} instead of hard-coding some interpretation of the url all over templates
[15:37] <stgraber> yes, I remember that I tried ++url++ and it didn't work so that was the reason
[15:38] <cr3> stgraber: yeah, so since this is the only page which uses the concept of an embedded list, this will require some changes to the assumptions I've made so far
[15:58] <cr3> stgraber: you've got mail: 1. working patch; 2. suggestion for /disks url.
[15:59] <stgraber> got it, thanks
[16:00] <cr3> stgraber: there really wasn't that many changes, you're catching on to zope quickly
[16:01] <cr3> it must be thanks to the most excellent sample code <grin>
[16:02] <stgraber> I mainly looked at how people/ was implemented as the implementation was similar to what I wanted
[16:03] <stgraber> cr3: applying your patch /builds fails now
[16:19] <cr3> stgraber: what's the error message?
[16:19] <stgraber>     raise TraversalError(subject, name)
[16:19] <stgraber> TraversalError: (<canonical.certify.model.build.BuildResult object at 0x4d4da90>, 'secure_id')
[16:20] <stgraber> and I get a 404 if I try to access /builds/<something>
[16:20] <cr3> stgraber: what does the urls section of zcml/build.zcml look like?
[16:21] <cr3> stgraber: you should see: path_expr="string:${context/date}"
[16:22] <stgraber> hmm, evolution truncated the attachment ... let me revert everything and patch again
[16:22] <cr3> stgraber: if you revert, you'll need to add your template file which is not part of the patch
[16:24] <stgraber> yeah, works fine
[16:25] <stgraber> just needs to update it to actually show something useful now :)
[16:25] <cr3> stgraber: would you like sample data from the production website?
[16:26] <davmor2> I'm off stgraber heno i386 and amd64 both work on desktop kubuntu
[16:26] <stgraber> schwuk sent me _info and _main from production, not sure how old they are but they do the job for now
[16:26] <stgraber> davmor2: cool
[16:27] <cr3> stgraber: cool
[16:27] <stgraber> cr3: it was almost impossible to work on /builds without testing data and manually filing the DB was uhmm a long process :)
[16:29] <cr3> stgraber: have you seen ara today?
[16:32] <stgraber> cr3: joined the chan at 06:00 UTC and left at 12:14 UTC
[16:32] <cr3> stgraber: thanks, I'll have more overlap with her next week
[19:59] <bdgraue> is there any chance to get intrepid run in hardy virtualbox?
[20:09] <slangasek> are there any distro team leads who have to be at the Mobile community meeting?  if not, that's on #-mobile, so could run concurrentlyhttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha3
[20:09] <slangasek> sigh
[20:09] <slangasek> "there's a bug open about that problem; see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha3"
[20:09]  * slangasek stabs his mouse wheel with something poisonous
[22:41] <Xk2c> i have started kubuntu alpha 3 alternativ cd inside of virtualbox and get and instand kernal panic
[22:41] <Xk2c> question: is that sort of testing supported/usefull?
[22:41] <Xk2c> should i report a bug?
[22:42] <Xk2c> i have got an screenie if someone is interessted
[22:43] <Xk2c> ahhh and the gpg and md5sum verfied fine
[22:47] <Xk2c> anyone still awake?
[22:48] <sbeattie> Xk2c: I believe that's a known issue; see the caveats section at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha3
[22:48] <Xk2c> ahh ok
[22:48] <sbeattie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/246067
[22:48] <Xk2c> thx sbeattie for that link
[22:55] <Xk2c> ok then good night


[03:37] <mup> Bug #1881977 changed: Ubuntu 14.04 failing to deploy on UEFI <curtin:Confirmed for ltrager> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881977>
[08:01] <mup> Bug #1878769 changed: [SRU] updates to the maas deb2snap package <verification-done> <verification-done-focal> <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Focal):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1878769>
[08:32] <mup> Bug #1882045 opened: pool admins can't create subnets <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882045>
[08:32] <mup> Bug #1882048 opened: [RBAC] normal users can't customize preseeds <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882048>
[09:08] <mup> Bug #1882053 opened: [RBAC] normal users can't create dhcp snippets <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882053>
[12:47] <mup> Bug # changed: 1662361, 1826015, 1848170, 1848781, 1860619, 1865866, 1869958, 1870117, 1871356, 1876180, 1876217, 1877126, 1877220, 1878117, 1878591, 1878685,
[12:47] <mup> 1878923, 1879205, 1879416, 1879772, 1879774, 1879827, 1879978, 1879979, 1880746, 1881116, 1881117, 1881143, 1881201, 1881247, 1881262, 1881555, 1881954
[14:16] <admcleod> ltrager: hi! i have updated a bug (1879933) i logged a couple of weeks back about a missing default route. do you still want the curtin output?
[17:50] <mup> Bug #1882122 opened: MAAS DHCPv6 static leases don't work <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882122>
[17:56] <mup> Bug #1882122 changed: MAAS DHCPv6 static leases don't work <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882122>
[17:59] <mup> Bug #1882122 opened: MAAS DHCPv6 static leases don't work <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882122>
[20:26] <mup> Bug #1882133 opened: MAAS 2.8 snap install hangs on "INFO Waiting for restart..." <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882133>
[21:56] <mup> Bug #1882145 opened: MAAS 2.8 snap test-db install fails when running as (default) root in a container <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882145>
[22:14] <ltrager> admcleod: I reopen the bug for cloud-init and netplan as MAAS only hands off the config.
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1882154 opened: rackd errors due to IPv6/IPv4 confusion <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882154>
[22:32] <mup> Bug #1882154 changed: rackd errors due to IPv6/IPv4 confusion <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882154>
[22:38] <mup> Bug #1882154 opened: rackd errors due to IPv6/IPv4 confusion <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882154>
[22:50] <mup> Bug #1882154 changed: rackd errors due to IPv6/IPv4 confusion <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882154>
[22:53] <mup> Bug #1882154 opened: rackd errors due to IPv6/IPv4 confusion <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882154>
[22:56] <mup> Bug #1882155 opened: MAAS 2.8 production mode sometimes loses connection when finished downloading an image <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882155>


[00:14] <Ed_R> Is there any information about CPU overheating on AMD64 for the Live CD? I wiuld like to know if I can expect similar beavior if I install on the HDD.
[00:14] <James147> Ed_R: your cpu should never `over` heat ^^
[00:15] <Ed_R> James--OK, bt it gets very hot and the fans scream like a banshee.
[00:16] <James147> Ed_R: if it is then I would invest in more cooling ^^   (though...  it might mean some process has decided to use up all your cpu... I would monitor the applications when it happens... but Would still look into more cooling)
[00:17] <James147> Ed_R: and it would be a good idea to find its actual temp (the system monitor can do that if you install lm-sensors (should be by default) and add and extra tab
[00:17] <Ed_R> James--the CPU usage is < 10%. It happens wth the live CD, is there a reason the live CD would cause the CPU to heat up? The actual temp is about 65C.
[00:17] <James147> ^^system monitor can also monitor your cpu usage and ram usage to see if any progess has gotten carried away :)
[00:17] <James147> process ^^
[00:19] <James147> Ed_R: hmm... it shouldnt at 10% usage.... and there should be nothing that can cause it to heat up when its not being used :S (except maby a fire :p but then you have other things to worry about :)  )
[00:20] <Ed_R> James--yeah. It is actually a mystery to me, too.
[00:20] <James147> Ed_R: and 65 isnt too bad...
[00:20] <James147> Ed_R: but I would still look into getting more cooling if you can
[00:21] <Ed_R> james--it is a laptop, unfortunately. :-)
[00:23] <Ed_R> Have to go now. Thanks, James...
[00:38] <J214> Hello
[00:38] <J214> anyone here
[00:39] <J214> Hello anyone here?
[00:40] <szal> J214: how often do you want to ask that?
[00:40] <wn1zid> take your meds
[00:40] <J214> lol
[00:46] <J214> hi
[00:56] <Turkbaytar> hi
[00:56] <Turkbaytar> anyone can help me
[00:57] <Turkbaytar> about pes 2011 in wine :D
[00:59] <James147> Turkbaytar: not if you dont tell us them problem... with details
[00:59] <Turkbaytar> ok
[00:59] <Turkbaytar> i install pes with the wine
[00:59] <Turkbaytar> and i download crack files
[01:00] <Turkbaytar> copy the pes directory
[01:00] <Turkbaytar> but i cant start game
[01:00] <Turkbaytar> error message is "Pes 2011 not installed"
[01:01] <James147> Turkbaytar: have you checked the wine app db?
[01:01] <Turkbaytar> yeah
[01:01] <Turkbaytar> i think i need regedit
[01:02] <James147> Turkbaytar: then try #winehq
[01:02] <Turkbaytar> what is the "C:\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\ " directory in wine
[01:02] <Turkbaytar> f:\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\
[01:02] <Turkbaytar> ????
[01:26] <J214> hi
[01:27] <J214> anyone here
[01:28] <Turkbaytar> yeah
[01:28] <Turkbaytar> i am here
[01:33] <ubuntu> hola :D
[01:34] <jay> Hello
[01:34] <J323> Hello anyone??
[01:35] <Unit193> !ask | J323
[01:35] <J323> ok
[01:36] <babykins> :D
[01:38] <babykins> hello :D
[02:19] <Linkmaster> Hey
[02:29] <gizmobay> I can't get the snow effect to work in kwin. Using the nouveau drivers with the experimental 3D and a GeForece 7300 desktop version. Anyone else seeing this?
[02:44] <b3rz3rk3r_> gizmobay: you still having trouble with your snow effect?
[02:46] <iowaNerd> I'm having trouble getting my nvidia drivers to work. I have a newer card, but had some installation issues. I tried to fix them and failed. Now I can't install the legit nvidia driver any more. Here's the pastebin of jockey.log from when I try to install them. Can anyone help me?
[02:46] <iowaNerd> http://pastebin.com/jcLtiwmG
[03:10] <gizmobay> b3rz3rk3r_: yes, I upgraded to 4.6.3
[03:11] <b3rz3rk3r_> ah, ok I was just going to say that they are not working for me either on an old intel gma card
[03:11] <b3rz3rk3r_> but if you have solved it already, good times! :D
[03:12] <gizmobay> No mine doesn't work
[03:12] <gizmobay> the snow that is
[03:12] <gizmobay> some of the others work
[03:13] <B3rz3rk3r> oh i see now :/
[03:13] <B3rz3rk3r> have you tried with the proprietary drivers?
[03:14] <gizmobay> The y don't work for me
[03:14] <gizmobay> the latest won't boot and the older leave a box in the upper corner
[03:15] <B3rz3rk3r> did they work before at all?
[03:15] <gizmobay> on 10.10 they did
[03:16] <B3rz3rk3r> iv had a GTX280 for years that has worked almost flawlessly with them
[03:16] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah.. 11.04 strike again :(
[03:16] <gizmobay> yeah I've had my issues :(
[03:16] <B3rz3rk3r> not a lot you can do about that now unless you "downgrade"
[03:17] <B3rz3rk3r> im personally considering going back to 10.04 since that is rock solid these days
[03:18] <gizmobay> My mythtv box still runs under 10.04
[03:18] <gizmobay> I won't touch it with an upgrade
[03:18] <B3rz3rk3r> you dont happen to know how to stop the system copying a video from the network before playing it rather than just streaming it do you? Iv just got that with 11.04 and VLC and its really annoying
[03:19] <gizmobay> Can 't you stream it by selecting the location with VLC?
[03:20] <B3rz3rk3r> no VLC stream wants a url, but the media is on a local fileserver
[03:20] <B3rz3rk3r> normally i just navigate there in a filebrowser and double click and it play straight up
[03:21] <B3rz3rk3r> but since 11.04 it downloads  copy to /var/tmp/..something, and then plays it.. really weird right?
[03:21] <gizmobay> hmm I haven't tried all my media is on my myth box
[03:22] <gizmobay> You using appache?
[03:23] <B3rz3rk3r> nope
[03:24] <gizmobay> I think you could do this with apache. Open the URL in a browser
[03:25] <gizmobay> Open the URL through VLC
[03:25] <gizmobay> I mane
[03:25] <gizmobay> mean
[03:25] <B3rz3rk3r> the "server" is just a regular windows laptop with a drobo array attached to it for the minute since the last dedicated box died on me
[03:25] <B3rz3rk3r> lol, im with ya ;)
[03:25] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah i suppose thats do-able, but it seems like so much hassle for something that always worked before :/
[03:26] <gizmobay> I see your point
[03:26] <B3rz3rk3r> feels like its one step forward, two back with ubuntu lately
[03:27] <B3rz3rk3r> alright, enough moanin', time to man up and get this bitch sorted :P  ttyl
[03:27] <gizmobay> Anytime you update it can be dicey. I've been doing it since 8.04 without issue though until now
[03:38] <iowaNerd> I'm having trouble getting my nvidia drivers to work. I have a newer card, but had some installation issues. I tried to fix them and failed. Now I can't install the legit nvidia driver any more. Here's the pastebin of jockey.log from when I try to install them. Can anyone help me?
[03:38] <iowaNerd> http://pastebin.com/jcLtiwmG
[03:43] <solovoy> hi
[03:44] <solovoy> how can i change the size of the titlebar in a maximized window ?
[03:54] <aperson> where are my preferred application settings stored?
[03:54] <aperson> I know I can edit them in the system settings, but I want to nuke all of the old ones I had (since a ton of them are left over from another install)
[03:56] <sunnydrake> if kde check ~/.kde
[03:57] <aperson> we're in #kubuntu :), so yes, kde
[06:55] <akis> hi all. is there any way to remove for run command memory a phrase i typed?
[07:04] <akis> anyone can help me on how can i remove run command history under kde/kubuntu 10.04. thanks in advance.
[07:28] <DarthFrog> rm ~/.bash_history
[07:29] <tsimpson> that's not what the "run command" uses
[07:30] <Tm_T> oh, he left
[07:30] <Tm_T> it's simple rightclick on the input line -> clear history
[07:36] <akis> anyone can help me on how can i remove run command history under kde/kubuntu 10.04. thanks in advance.
[07:36] <Keshl> akis: Right click on the input line, click clear history.
[07:38] <akis> Oh my God! Thanks i lot. it ways so easy!!!
[07:38] <Tm_T> np (:
[07:40] <akis> @keshl. one more question. is it possible to setup my winfax modem which is on the motherboard of my notebook on which i am running kubuntu 10.04?
[07:40] <akis> i want to setup it for a fax use. if possible...
[07:41] <Keshl> Dunno. I got that answer from someone else, Tm_T to be exact.
[07:41] <Keshl> In reality, I don't know much about Linux besides how to break it when I fix it.
[07:41] <akis> where can i c if the system recognize this winmodem?
[07:42] <Tm_T> !info kinfocenter
[07:42] <Tm_T> that could show all known devices in your system ^
[07:42] <Tm_T> and is possibly already installed
[07:43] <akis> !info kinfocenter in terminal?
[07:43] <Tm_T> akis: no, enter "kinfocenter" to the run command
[07:43] <tsimpson> akis: !info is a command to ubottu, to show information on a package
[07:45] <akis> nothing happens prompting !info kinfocenter or kinfocenter in run command
[08:20] <anuvrat> any idea why sudo apt-get install skype is not working on my Kubuntu 10.10
[08:22] <DarkwingDuck> anuvrat: because skype is not in the repositories
[08:23] <DarkwingDuck> anuvrat: 32 or 64 bit?
[08:23] <anuvrat> Ohkay
[08:23] <anuvrat> cool]
[08:23] <anuvrat> 64
[08:24] <DarkwingDuck> anuvrat: http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/downloading.ubuntu64
[08:25] <anuvrat> DarkwingDuck: thanks
[08:54] <AlphaMan> Salam
[08:55] <Tm_T> !skype | anuvrat and DarkwingDuck
[09:12] <ehsan> system freaze when i resize winndows and konsole when use oxygen transparent or transparent background for konsole
[09:13] <ehsan> I WANT X.ORG 1.9
[09:13] <ehsan> HOW TO INSTALL THAT
[09:14] <tsimpson> erm, STOP SHOUTING TO START WITH
[09:16] <tsimpson> x.org 1.9 is in maverick anyway
[09:30] <wintellect> Hi all
[09:47] <_r1_> hi
[09:47] <_r1_> in 10.04 ubuntu, my micro was working well.
[09:48] <_r1_> on 11.04, kubuntu, my micro don't work well. I'm asking myself: where I can found great documenation on layers configurations alsa/pulsaudio and finaly phonon|gstreamer
[09:54] <soee> what command should i use if i want to search for package that contains some word ?
[10:26] <akis> hi, i am new in 10.04 but for years in suse and windows. i realised that both firefox and opera run more-more slow uden kubuntu than suse or windows in the same machine. i realised also that cannot even load google maps. is it why they are using weight plug ins for java etc. any help to make them faster and to fully load the pages?
[10:35] <akis> any idea or help?
[10:36] <ArchangelSe7en> about ..
[10:36] <ArchangelSe7en> sorry I just came in
[10:38] <akis> @archangel.  hi, i am new in 10.04 but for years in suse and windows. i realised that both firefox and opera run more-more slow uden kubuntu than suse or windows in the same machine. i realised also that cannot even load google maps. is it why they are using weight plug ins for java etc. any help to make them faster and to fully load the pages?
[10:39] <ArchangelSe7en> I cant suggest anything other than installing OpenSUSE ..
[10:39] <ArchangelSe7en> (blame adobe for that)
[10:42] <akis> yea. ok. opensuse it's a choise, but my system cannot run it properly.
[10:42]  * ArchangelSe7en shrugs
[10:42] <ArchangelSe7en> try Chakra
[10:43] <Cyber_forences> hello
[10:43] <ArchangelSe7en> or if you're familiar with building stuff from scratch .. Arch
[10:43] <ArchangelSe7en> hey Cyber_forences
[10:44] <Cyber_forences> ciao a tutti voi
[10:44] <Peace-> !it | Cyber_forences
[10:45] <akis> look, there are many ideas for many distrs, but i cannot be sure if i do not have any other hardware probls. with kubuntu everything is OK, but very slow browsing! maybe chrome can solve the probl?
[10:45] <akis> or reinstall plug ins?
[10:46] <Peace-> akis: ?
[10:46] <Peace-> akis: i have firefox4 it runs fast
[10:46] <ArchangelSe7en> you're not on Windows .. thats highly doubtful would fix anything
[10:47] <ArchangelSe7en> brb
[10:48] <Peace-> akis: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/23/firefox.gif
[10:50] <akis> the system installed itself a firefox version (i dont rememeber which one, i am not on that system know) and it is very very slow for may pages (not for all). i went straight for Opra 11.11 as it is pretty faster. I solve the problem for many of my bookmarks, but still i cannot load properly google maps and some bolg pages.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:16] <mime1111> hi, when I try to install a plasmoid manually, I get Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-mime" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[13:16] <mime1111> Error: "/tmp/kde-mime" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[13:17] <mime1111> thanks all
[13:18] <mime1111> or automatically just gets error in the newer plasmoids, like solar system, matrix... some work fine
[13:18] <mime1111> kde 4.2, kubuntu 9.04
[13:18] <mime1111> :$
[13:36] <BluesKaj> mime1111, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , btw your OS in now no longer supported in the repos, it could be time to update
[13:37] <mime1111> i update yesterday. in wich way u reffer? tthnx 4 the help
[13:38] <mime1111> i cant switch to karma
[13:38] <mime1111> karmic
[13:39] <mime1111> what i do with /etc/apt/apt.conf.d? i rewritit?
[13:39] <mime1111> rewrite it?
[13:41] <mime1111> BluesKaj, u recommend to keep the old /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic or rewrite it?
[13:41] <mime1111> (ask in installation)
[13:43] <BluesKaj> mime1111, sudo do-realease-upgrade
[13:44] <mime1111> Blue, i just type  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and ask to rewrite the file above, or keep the old one... what u recommend?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> yes rewrite
[13:45] <mime1111> thnx :)
[13:46] <mime1111> ok. may i type  sudo do-realease-upgrade now?
[13:46] <mime1111> remembah i cant use karmic
[13:47] <mime1111> i may stay on jaunty
[13:47] <mime1111> thnx, i may go. thnx 4 the help, cya next time
[13:48] <mime1111> thnx 4 ur time
[14:11] <mime1111> BlueKaj, same errors afterur suggestions
[14:11] <mime1111> cant install some plasmoids
[14:15] <BluesKaj> mime1111, update kde as well
[14:15] <mime1111> ok
[14:16] <mime1111> how? apt-get install kde?
[14:17] <mime1111> ok, did it
[14:17] <mime1111> im waiting
[14:29] <mime1111> BluesKaj, no solution, thank u anyway
[14:34] <akis> i have a very fresh install of 10.04. i am trying all forefox, opera and chrome and i realised that many pages cannot load. for example opera cannot load google maps. chrome load it but slowly. other pages become loaded very fast other not at all. any help. i am sure that the problem is in javascript and the way that all browsers read it. help please
[14:39] <Tm_T> akis: all those three browsers uses their own javascript engine, so I doubt it is related to it
[14:40] <BluesKaj> akis, install kubuntu-restricted-extras , if you just upgraded
[14:42] <akis> maybe you have right. so where is the problem. i run in the same machine windows xp and opera 11.11 under windows it was the fastest browser i ever had. why they load fasta some pages and other they cannot or they too slow?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> akis sorry i don't understand , did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras ? It has all the flash and java plugins required for browsers.
[14:48] <akis> which application do i have to use to install them? i found them here " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats" but need to use an application
[14:49] <akis> can i install them form terminal? which is the command to go?
[14:50] <akis> is this one the right one? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:50] <Tm_T> akis: yes, but kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:51] <akis> ok, logic!
[14:58] <akis> the procedure in terminal is finished. do i have to do anything else? the browsers still cannot run properly. they are still too slow for some pages.
[15:01] <akis> do i have to do a reboot, maybe?
[15:11] <akis> its ridicilous. the system downloads with a 1017kb/s speed but it cannot load google maps or a simple blog page!!!
[15:13] <BluesKaj> my ISP dropped for 10mins or so ...I should have remembered there was an anouncment last week
[15:14] <Tm_T> akis: possibly dns issue?
[15:15] <akis> how can i fix this? and why is only for some pages?
[15:16] <Tm_T> hard to say
[15:18] <BluesKaj> akis, open your browser , in the addressbar type, about:plugins
[15:20] <BluesKaj> akis make sure the java and flash is enabled
[15:25] <akis> Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181 is enabled, no java is installed
[15:25] <akis> or better seems to be installed
[15:25] <BluesKaj> akis, which browser ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> no java installed then you haven'y installed kubuntu-restricted-extras , which you need
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras | akis
[15:27] <akis> opera Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181 and Mime Type x-skype for Skype Buttons installed, Chrome twice Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181 (in different directories), Mime Type x-skype for Skype Buttons,
[15:27] <akis> Default Plug-in
[15:27] <akis> Description:	Provides functionality for installing third-party plug-ins
[15:27] <FloodBotK1> akis: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:28] <akis> ok, sorry
[15:32] <akis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611871/
[15:35] <BluesKaj> akis, I will not repeat this , if you want those pages to work then , sudo apt-get install kubunt-restricted-extras
[15:35] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:36] <akis> ok, i 'll do it again
[15:36] <BluesKaj> I asked earlier but you didn't reply
[15:37] <akis> the system answered...kubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> 32bit or 64?
[15:38] <akis> 32
[15:39] <BluesKaj> akis, give me a url of one of the sites that's giving trouble
[15:40] <cba123> I'm running a fully updated kubuntu 11.04 and I'm still having problems with nepomuk/strigi indexing.  I downloaded a file, and it isn't showing up in my indexes when I search.  Any ideas?
[15:41] <akis> see also this please http://paste.ubuntu.com/611874/ and i 'll give you some sites in a new paste.
[15:43] <BluesKaj> cba123, make sure system settings/startup and shutdown/service manager/startuo services , that nepomuk is enabled
[15:44] <akis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611876/
[15:44] <cba123> BluesKaj, It is enabled, and it says "file indexer is idle"
[15:45] <BluesKaj> cba123, highlight it and click start
[15:46] <cba123> BluesKaj, I don't see a "start" option
[15:47] <BluesKaj> akis, !kubuntu-restricted-extras in the terminal will show nothing it's not a recognized command
[15:47] <cba123> Not sure where to "highlight" it either
[15:47] <akis> ok, sorry
[15:47] <BluesKaj> nepomuk , click on it in the list
[15:48] <akis> well...any conclusion or even better any idea or solution?
[15:49] <cba123> Which list?  the krunner list?  It's already enabled there
[15:49] <cba123> Oh, wait, nevermind, just saw your first message, my bad
[15:51] <cba123> BluesKaj, Yeah, it's enabled.  "Nepomuk Search Module", it's enabled, and when I clicked it, I get the option to stop it, and "start" is greyed out, so I'd guess it's running.
[15:56] <akis> BluesKaj, do u have any idea what is going whrong?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> akis, I'm using chromium and those sites all load fine , other than your java version might be a problem if you aren't using the default from restricted-extras
[16:03] <akis> i am using chrome too v. 11.0.696.68 because i c that is a little more faster than opera under kubuntu, but still i cannot load properly google maps as satellite view and some other functions. how can i check java version and if it is installed properly?
[16:15] <akis> so, i dont think there is an answer for now in my problem. something else. as i passed mouse over open applications on task bar they open ofr a while without any click on thme, is there any way to disable this function?
[16:50] <zaapark> укеуке
[16:59] <shane2peru> from dolphin how do I empty the trash of a sdcard or usb stick?
[16:59] <Fluttershy> .trash is a hidden folder
[16:59] <Fluttershy> and I just delete .trash
[16:59] <shane2peru> Fluttershy: right, but seems like there should be a simple way to empty trash
[17:00] <Fluttershy> seems simple enough to me
[17:00] <Fluttershy> not sure if there's a different way
[17:00] <shane2peru> in nautilus there was a simple way, empty trash button when you right clicked on the device
[17:01] <shane2peru> Fluttershy: I mean I know how to do it via command line too, but I was looking for the 'kde' way through dolphin.
[17:03] <acid> hi
[17:03] <Fluttershy> huh, I never knew about that in nautilus
[17:05] <acid> after finding out that somehow btrfs for my /home partition (558GB) was slow as hell, I decided to copy all my files onto an external hd, then format /home in ext4, then..how can you "recreate" the auto-encrypted /home kubuntu is creating during the installation process ?
[17:06] <acid> I've search the web for that, but can only find tutorial to create an encrypted folder "in" the /home/user/, not the whole user folder..
[17:06] <sissi> chrome cannot load youtube under 10.04. any idea?
[17:08] <alket> Hi, Im using Ubuntu 11 and Im having issues, freezing and stuff , Im considering to move to Kubuntu until the next release, but I had some problems in Kubuntu 10 like Im having now in Ubuntu 11, is it Kubuntu more stable than Ubuntu, in this release ?
[17:09] <Fluttershy> I'd think so
[17:09] <Fluttershy> Kubuntu Natty is still using KDE 4.6 whereas Ubuntu switched DE entirely
[17:10] <alket> thanks Fluttershy
[17:11] <alket> Does GIMP run smoothly in Kub 11, because the in Kub 10 it took to long to load
[17:11] <alket> *start
[17:12] <Fluttershy> I haven't used GIMP in a long time, sorry
[17:12] <James147> alket: gimp normally takes a "long" time to load... since it has so manything graphics to load up....
[17:12] <alket> thanks James147 Fluttershy
[17:12] <Peace-> alket: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYwiE2RDKic
[17:13] <Peace-> LOL
[17:21] <gr> hi
[17:22] <gr> i am running kubuntu 10.04 and i realised i haven;t java installed. how can i installed.is it a way to download from java.com?
[17:24] <gr> i found this link http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=48333 with rpm package .bin. how can i instal i?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> gr, install kubuntu-restricted-extra , it contains java, flash and other required codecs for the desktop
[17:25] <areichman> gr: I would look at this first: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[17:25] <BluesKaj> gr, kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:28] <gr> why althought restricted-extras are installed java is not?
[17:31] <gr> i run java version and i took a message that java can be in some packages as
[17:31] <gr> gcj-4.4-jre-headless
[17:31] <gr>  * openjdk-6-jre-headless
[17:31] <gr>  * cacao
[17:31] <gr>  * gij-4.3
[17:31] <FloodBotK1> gr: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:31] <gr>  * jamvm
[17:31] <gr> which of all is thw package i should install?
[17:31] <James147> openjdk-6-jre
[17:32] <James147> (not headless)
[17:33] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras |gr
[17:34] <gr> ok, i installed but i got also this message Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? is it ok or not?
[17:35] <gr> java version answers again the same.
[17:36] <James147> run sudo apt-get update as it suggests then try to reinstall
[17:37] <Magnusson> anyone using nvidia drivers on natty and getting "input signal out of range" during boot?
[17:37] <gr> i did but system answers that
[17:37] <gr> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[17:37] <gr> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[17:39] <gr> i reinstall it. now is ok. v. <IP_ADDRESS> is installed
[17:40] <gr> but chrome cannot recognize it
[17:41] <gr> and the test in java.com says plug-in is missing. why?
[17:48] <gr> why terminal says that java is installed but browsers don't recognize it?
[17:51] <Magnusson> gr>donno, i have that issue too, quit using chrome b/c of it
[17:51] <Magnusson> that and the massive RAM usage
[17:57] <gr> why chrome/opera/firefox cannot load certain pages?
[17:58] <gr> or load them one time and the other no?
[17:58] <gr> i read that many users have the same issue?
[18:03] <Peace-> gr: i have not that behavior
[18:03] <Peace-> gr: which pages?
[18:04] <gr> many. youtube, google maps, some blog pages and many others. my line is very fast but ... browsers cannot open these pages
[18:05] <Peace-> gr: i have kubuntu 11.04 properly installed with firefox4 and konqueror
[18:05] <Peace-> both can render those pages fast
[18:07] <gr> i have 10.04 properly installed with firefox/opera 11.11 and chrome but some of the pages can open with 1st, other with others, but not all with all. and sometimes no pages with no browser.
[18:08] <Peace-> gr: i guess there is some problems with , or your connection , somene is stealing line? or you have some software problems
[18:10] <gr> the connection is very fast. i just download suse 11.4 in just 5 minutes. i run since yesterday win xp in the same machine with opera 11.11 and i had the fastest browsing ever.
[18:20] <BluesKaj> Peace-, that gr guy wa here earlier using a different nick asking the same questions but he needs to update his installation , but refuses .
[18:21] <Peace-> BluesKaj: trol?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> no , he thinks LTS aren't upgradable , I;m sure he's got the wrong java install aswell
[18:24] <szal> 6u20 is far from current anyway
[18:43] <nextpoint> hello
[18:46] <Magnusson> BluesKaj>how would one go about updating their installation or checking if they need to for that guy's issue?
[19:16] <tdn> Please tell me, how do I disable "three stars per character"?
[19:16] <tdn> In passwords.
[19:17] <mime1111> hello ppl. anyone knows how to disable akonadi server at startup? thnx all.
[19:18] <Magnusson> tdn>system settings
[19:18] <Magnusson> account details
[19:19] <tdn> Magnusson, thanks.
[19:19] <Magnusson> np :)
[19:19] <Magnusson> wtf IS nepomuk services exactly, and can i turn it off without breaking my system? i've found no clear answers on the net
[19:20] <murali> please help. how can i install yahoo messenger on kubuntu
[19:23] <BluesKaj> Magnusson, open system settings /startup&shutdown/service manager / nepomuk search module . click stop , apply
[19:24] <Magnusson> BluesKaj>no no ,  i didn't need to know how, just if the service was important
[19:24] <Magnusson> ty though
[19:25] <murali> please help. how can i install yahoo messenger on kubuntu
[19:27] <BluesKaj> mime1111, open the kmenu in the search bar type akonad , choose akondi server configuration, click on stop, apply
[19:28] <mime1111> i already did that BluesKaj
[19:28] <BluesKaj> Magnusson, nepomuk runs in the background using resources for file indexing. If you have alot of data on a work computer then it's handy , but personally i find no use for it for a home desktop
[19:29] <Magnusson> BluesKaj>ah ha, thank you :) yeah i think using 50% or more of my cpu is a little much
[19:29] <BluesKaj> mime1111, then why did yu ask ?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> Magnusson, yup, I'd say so :)
[19:30] <mime1111> because it still starting in startup
[19:30] <mime1111> :OS
[19:30] <mime1111> the plasmoids still not working (some of them)
[19:32] <murali> please help. how can i install yahoo messenger on kubuntu. please help
[19:33] <BluesKaj> mime1111, add akonadi to startup in session management, "applications to be excluded from sessions " , in the space below
[19:34] <mime1111> ill try it, thnx
[19:35] <preecher> hey i jus caught bits and pieces on the talk on neopomuk---is that something that is a drain on resources?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> preecher, it can be if you don't need it
[19:37] <mime1111> worked perfectly BlueKaj, thnx :)
[19:37] <BluesKaj> mime1111, np:)
[19:37] <James147> preecher: not if its running properly
[19:38] <mime1111> but some error in auto install... if any1 knows...
[19:38] <mime1111> some plasmoids
[19:38] <James147> mime1111: what version of kde are you on?
[19:39] <Peace-> murali: there is yaoohi messeger for unix
[19:39] <Peace-> murali: so it would work on kubuntu
[19:40] <murali> how do i install it?
[19:40] <mime1111> blue 4.2.4
[19:41] <Peace-> mime1111: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gyachi-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-using-ppa.html
[19:41] <Peace-> murali: but maybe kopet can dio that
[19:41] <Peace-> let me see
[19:41] <James147> !kopete
[19:42] <murali> ya there is kopete but it doesnt have features of yahoo like chat rooms n all
[19:42] <Peace-> murali: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/23/plasma-desktopMr1714.jpg
[19:42] <Peace-> well
[19:42] <Peace-> murali: so i have no idea
[19:42] <Peace-> i don't use yahhoo microsoft stuff
[19:42] <murali> ok
[19:43] <Peace-> i use google talks video calls
[19:43] <Peace-> and irc
[19:43] <szal> mime1111: 4.2.4?  what *buntu version is that?
[19:45] <mime1111> kubuntu 9.04 kde 4.2.4
[19:45] <mime1111> soz :P
[19:45] <szal> !eol | mime1111
[19:46] <Peace-> mime1111: LOL 9.04
[19:46] <Peace-> my grandmam is younger
[19:46] <Peace-> xD
[19:46] <szal> other than that, I don't think KDE 4.2 already had Akonadi
[19:46] <mime1111> 1 sec ppl
[19:46] <szal> to my knowledge that was introduced in KDE 4.4
[19:48] <mime1111> im playin sauerbraten justice on it and have also mplayer...
[19:49] <mime1111> that means that some plasmoids cant be in my kubuntu due to python?
[19:49] <mime1111> thanks 4 the help ppl
[19:50] <szal> mime1111: seriously, we don't support 9.10 any longer, it's been dead for half a year, if not longer
[19:50] <szal> 9.04 even, that's been dead for over a year
[19:50] <mime1111> ok, now i get it
[20:01] <BluesKaj> szal, I tried to convince him earlier to upgrade but he says he's not allowed ...I'm sure he's just overly cautious or stubborn , dunno which :)
[20:04] <ilias> although java is installed in my system (10.04) opera and forefox cannot recognize it and cannot load pages with java. any help to fix it?
[20:05] <Magnusson> BluesKaj>lol
[20:11] <Masaniello> i have a problem with samba
[20:11] <Masaniello> i can't share ntfs partition
[20:13] <BluesKaj> Masaniello, install ntfs-3g ?
[20:13] <Masaniello> yes
[20:13] <Masaniello> i have
[20:14] <JM124> Hello
[20:14] <JM124> anyone here
[20:14] <Masaniello> i can see in network the ntfs partition but i can't open the files
[20:14] <BluesKaj> Masaniello, have yu shared the files in windows ?
[20:15] <Masaniello> No
[20:15] <Masaniello> i must do it?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> any files you want to access even from another windows pc need to be shared from that machine
[20:16] <JM124> Hello anyone here?
[20:16] <Masaniello> ok, i'll try to share the files in windows
[20:16] <BluesKaj> JM124, a few of us :)
[20:17] <JM124> lol
[20:21] <ilias> although java is installed in my system (10.04) opera and forefox cannot recognize it and cannot load pages with java. any help to fix it?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> ilias, how did you install java ?
[20:25] <ilias> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless in terminal
[20:28] <James147> ilias: install openjdk-6-jre
[20:36] <ilias> package installed. i closed opera and i open it again. still doesn't recognize java's existence
[20:41] <ilias> any idea james147?
[20:42] <James147> ilias: logout and back in (java does funny things with envrioment varibles)
[20:45] <ilias> logout is enough or a reboot is better?
[20:46] <James147> ilias: logout is enough
[20:49] <ilias> ok, i ll try it and i amcoming back
[20:57] <ilias> @james. nothing changed. missing plug-in, no java
[21:03] <ilias> any other idea james?
[21:05] <OerHeks> ilias, you have installed 6-jre ?
[21:06] <OerHeks> did you remove the old java plugins ?
[21:10] <goekhan> hello! suddenly, when trying to get updates, i get this error: E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main i386 Packages
[21:10] <goekhan> 404 Not Found
[21:11] <ilias> yes, the one you told me before
[21:12] <goekhan> now in my sources list, i don´t have a ppa that has the exact same name
[21:12] <ilias> sorry, the one which james told me before
[21:13] <ilias> system now says that:java version "1.6.0_20" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.7) (6b20-1.9.7-0ubuntu1~10.04.1) OpenJDK Client VM (build 19.0-b09, mixed mode, sharing)
[21:15] <OerHeks> you did remove both openJDK & IcedTea ?
[21:15] <Librarat> I have a driver question re: nvidia drivers on a Quadro 1700m card - the GUI seems to be sluggish using the latest (non-dev) drivers.  Is this normal for a workstation card under Linux?
[21:15] <Librarat> I don't game much, and when doing renders from zbrush/blender, the times seems to be slower than under windows as well.
[21:16] <ilias> no. how can i do that?
[21:17] <OerHeks> maybe this is your solution >> If your system has more than one version of Java, type the following command in a terminal window:  >> sudo update-alternatives --config java  (found @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java )
[21:20] <ilias> system replies: There is only one alternative in link group java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java Nothing to configure.
[21:25] <ilias> well, any other idea?
[21:28] <sourcemaker> how can I create a p7s compatible ssl certificate for encryption in ms outlook 2010?
[22:01] <sithlord48> hello #kubuntu!
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[22:39] <szal> dario_: please clean your keyboard outside of this channel, thank you
[22:43] <shane2peru> I'm guessing dario_ has a cat, or a small child. :)
[23:00] <KerrMD> Would anyone know how I could go about taking ownership of a symlink in my home folder?
[23:04] <James147> KerrMD: why? ... don't think it matters who owns the symlink...
[23:05] <James147> KerrMD: ^^ though you can do it by passing -h to chown
[23:05] <KerrMD> Well, I have a dual boot with win7. I want to share my documents, music, etc folders across my network with my other win7 machines from within kubuntu
[23:05] <KerrMD> I have symlinks to those folders which are on another drive in my home folder
[23:05] <James147> KerrMD: ^^ ownership of the symlink dosnt matter as far as I can tell... it nly really matter who owns the dest
[23:06] <KerrMD> Would it be a bad thing to take ownership of say  /media/Backup/username/folderx?
[23:06]  * James147 is able to rename and delete symlinks owned by root in his home dir :S
[23:07] <James147> KerrMD: dose anything else use that folder?
[23:08] <KerrMD> It's an automount partition. The only thing that uses it as far as I know is my homefolder symlinks
[23:08] <KerrMD> Oh wait.. firefox and whatnot do because my downloads folder is there
[23:08] <James147> KerrMD: hell, if you are shaing via samba it dosnt matter... (as samba is run by root) ^^ just need to make sure the premissions for the sares in samba are correct
[23:08] <KerrMD> It is my "mydocuments" drive from my windows 7 install
[23:08] <szal> KerrMD: sharing stuff from a directory that is not explicitly defined as an accessible share is not possible, that includes symlinks
[23:09] <KerrMD> What I want to do is share those "media" directories across my network but I want only certain accounts to access those shares.
[23:10] <KerrMD> Also, I looked but could not find smb.conf
[23:10] <KerrMD> or is that old school?
[23:10] <James147> KerrMD: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[23:10] <szal> KerrMD: to share the  content behind the symlinks you need to share the directories the symlinks point to
[23:11] <James147> assuming you have samba install (full, not just the client)
[23:11] <KerrMD> I believe I do. I did an apt-get install samba4
[23:12] <KerrMD> Yep, there's smb.conf. For some reason a "whereis" did not find it earlier
[23:12] <James147> hmm... isnt sure about samba4...
[23:13] <KerrMD> Is samba for not the latest?
[23:13] <James147> KerrMD: last I hear (though it was along time ago) samba 4 hadent reached a stable release yet
[23:14] <KerrMD> I suppose I could remove samba4 and just install the samba package from the repos
[23:14] <James147> KerrMD: unless you need something from samba4 thats what I would do
[23:17] <KerrMD> Well, that took longer than expected. I did not realize that samba4 had installed so many libraries.... and had to find out how to restart smbd since I have not dealt with it for years
[23:45] <rosco_y> what is the correct way to install 11.04 with gnome instead of the new window-manager?
[23:45] <rosco_y> I want to do a new install of 11.04 with gnome instead of unity
[23:45] <James147> rosco_y: ask #ubuntu
[23:46] <rosco_y> James147: :) Thanks!!
[23:46] <OerHeks> rosco_y, simplest way is to choose 'classic' @ login instead of unity


[06:28] <DanaG> say, in "arm-none-linux-gnueabi", what is "none"?
[07:52] <jo-erlend> I could use some help. I have an IGEPv2 board, which is based on a Cortex-A8 CPU. It has a SDHC card reader. I've formatted a 8GB SDHC card with Ext4, set the bootable flag, created a tar-file with rootstock which I extracted to the ext4 filesystem. It still won't boot. What am I doing wrong?
[08:47] <DanaG> hmm, if IGEPv2 is like the Beagle, you need a fat16 (preferably) partition for the boot files.
[08:47] <DanaG> uImage.
[08:48] <DanaG> /dev/mmcblk0p1 should be fat16, and mmcblk0p2 should be ext4.
[08:55] <jo-erlend> oh, ok. Can I put the entire root filesystem on a fat16 partition?
[09:12] <tmzt> jo-erlend: not without loop image
[09:31] <jo-erlend> then I'd only put the boot directory onto the fat partition and the rest on the ext-partition?
[09:39] <tmzt> yeah
[09:40] <tmzt> but that depends on the bootloader on your board
[09:40] <tmzt> the omap3 mentioned has a bootloader capable of booting from fat, you may have to use nor or nand or some other method
[09:40] <tmzt> I'm not familiar with your board
[09:46] <jo-erlend> hmm.


[07:00] <mrluksom> Hi, is it possible to run a Valgrind on a daemon process?
[13:43] <Fvic> hi,plz tell me where to find new bugs.i wish to start bug triaging but everytime i get to triaged bugs..
[13:46] <vish> Fvic: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.importance%3Alist=Undecided&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.component%3Alist=1&field.component%3Alist=2&field.has_no_package=
[13:46] <vish> Fvic: also, http://tiny.cc/s36xt … and happy triaging ! ;)
[13:48] <vish> Fvic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase is a useful link..
[14:14] <Fvic> can anyone plz help me triaging a bug so i can do rest myself.i am new to tyhis domain
[14:15] <vish> Fvic: if you have some doubts you can just ask here.. folks who are around will read and reply :)
[14:16] <Fvic> i   was trying to start bug triaging but do not know how to respond to the bug.at  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/726540
[14:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 726540 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Nothing happens when clicking the tomboy icon in unity dock (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:17] <Fvic> plz someone help in my first bug triaging so i can do rest
[14:19] <Fvic> vish, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/726540   i wanted to do this bug as a beginning but do not know where to start.sir if you can help
[14:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 726540 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Nothing happens when clicking the tomboy icon in unity dock (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:21] <vish> Fvic: have a look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses , while i check out the bug.. :)
[14:21] <Fvic> vish, thanks
[14:22] <vish> Fvic: for confirming that bug, you'd have to be running Ubuntu 11.04 (natty) to check if it is a problem
[14:23]  * vish on maverick now
[14:28] <Fvic> vish, sir,everytime changing ubuntu distro is difficult.is their a way to get all new bug of lucid 10.04???
[14:29] <vish> Fvic: in those initial links i gave above, check bugs tagged "lucid"
[14:30] <vish> Fvic: btw, no need to keep saying "sir" .. its all casual here ;)
[14:37] <Fvic> vish, i tried that by checking bugs tagged "lucid",but then again alist of triaged bugs came.it means no bug left to triage or i am wrong somewhere??
[14:41] <vish> Fvic: try this http://goo.gl/fI8mG
[14:42] <vish> Fvic: this is a simple bug you can close ;)  » Bug #700771
[14:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 700771 in ubuntu "Num Lock setting lost at boot (affects: 1) (heat: 72)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/700771
[14:44] <vish> Fvic: modify this response appropriately » https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change and you can close the bug
[14:47] <vish> Fvic: for a larger list of lucid bugs » http://goo.gl/PgwEI ;)
[14:47] <vish> i just modified the url to search for bugs tagged "lucid"
[14:48] <jibel> bug 722198
[14:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 722198 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "installation hangs on 15reuse w/ blank disk (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 28)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722198
[14:49] <Fvic> vish, thanks.i am now going to try bug u mentioned 700771
[15:02] <Fvic> vish, done.thanks.:)
[15:03] <vish> yw..
[15:06] <Fvic> can we use apport command to find information of any package??is it especially for bugs?
[15:40] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in #ubuntu-classroom in 20 minutes!
[18:47] <bencahill> hey guys, can I file a bug report without the stupid apport/ubuntu-bug application (i.e. manually)?
[18:57] <kklimonda> bencahill: yes, it's mentioned on the ReportingBugs page.
[19:00] <yofel> bencahill: btw, what issues do you have with apport?
[19:09] <psusi> bug #724082 has two possible fixes.  Natty has kernel support now so it is fixed there, but in Maverick and Lucid, support could be enabled by using the right configure switch to enable the plugin when building sensors-applet.  Should it be closed as fixed in the kernel, or tracked in lucid/maverick to rebuild sensors-applet?
[19:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724082 in linux (Ubuntu) "doesn't support ATI GPU temperature sensors (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724082
[19:34] <bencahill> kklimonda: ok, I'll check it out, thx
[19:37] <bencahill> yofel: well, when an app that has a very simple purpose (bug reporting, not rocket science) and relies on a cumbersome GUI (must pick options that are most likely unrelated to the problem) and is slow as hell (waited about 45 seconds watching it's little "Gathering Information" progress bar scroll again and again, then remained frozen for five minutes until I killed it), it puts me off :)
[19:37] <bencahill> s/and relies/relies
[19:38] <kklimonda> there is a cli version
[19:38] <yofel> use apport-cli instead of ubuntu-bug, that kills the GUI part, the questions are defined by the package maintainers
[19:38] <yofel> it shouldn't freeze though
[19:38] <bencahill> kklimonda, yofel: ok, thanks
[19:39] <kklimonda> bencahill: it's not always possible to use apport but it's not a good idea to not use it at all - it often saves at least one round trip between reporter and bug triager.
[19:39] <bencahill> yofel: well, it did for me...I suppose my computer (sempron 1.8, 1GB ddr) isn't fast enough :(
[19:40] <bencahill> kklimonda: ok, I'll try out apport-cli, got to go do some other things now though, thanks :)
[19:40] <yofel> bencahill: I had freezes too, so I understand you (unrelated to system power). apport-cli never froze so far for me
[19:40] <bencahill> yofel: ...and by freeze, I mean the window stopped responding and greyed out (metacity or gnome, not sure which)
[19:41] <yofel> yep, exactly that (with apport-kde though)
[19:41] <bencahill> yofel: yeah, I know (unrelated to system power), I just get frustrated sometimes :)
[19:43] <bencahill> yofel: an arch user also now (and kmandla reader), and thus much of my aversion to GUI applications :)
[19:44] <bencahill> yofel: you running gnome?
[19:44] <yofel> no, kde
[19:45] <bencahill> yofel: ah, well you might know which this is related to–gnome or metacity–anyway...
[19:48] <bencahill> yofel: basically, if not all open windows are maximized (i.e. if some are minimized), and if the last use of the SDF (show desktop function [my version/colloquialism], whether initiated through/by the panel button or Mod4/Super/Win + d) was to minimize windows, the aforementioned minimized windows will be maximized, and the desktop will not be shown. I am almost certain this is not intended behavior
[19:48] <bencahill> yofel: ...but would that be metacity or gnome? I know that compiz (standalone, running on my arch laptop) also has the exact same issue with it's "Show Desktop" functionality...
[19:49] <yofel> I fear I'm clueless there
[19:49] <bencahill> yofel: lol :)
[19:50] <bencahill> does anyone else know what that ^^ would be associated with?
[19:51] <bencahill> I must ask, what is apport/apport-cli gathering information about?
[19:51]  * bencahill kills apport-cli
[19:51] <charlie-tca> I would take a guess at metacity, but it is only a guess
[19:52] <yofel> bencahill: depends what the package hook for that package tells it to gather
[19:53] <yofel> bencahill: you can find them in /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/ - they're written in python
[19:53] <bencahill> kklimonda: why does it often save a round trip... ?
[19:54] <bencahill> yofel: well, I know this problem is not specific to me or my installation/configuration/version, so I don't really see why it would matter...lemme look at that ReportingBugs page now...
[19:54] <kklimonda> bencahill: apport provides some basic info about your system - related packages' versions etc.
[19:55] <bencahill> kklimonda: ok, but that doesn't matter, since I
[19:55] <bencahill> woops
[19:55] <yofel> then you can probably just file it directly on LP yeah - but at *least* tell use the package version and ubuntu release you're using
[19:55] <bencahill> kklimonda: 've had two in #u test and confirm it...
[19:55] <bencahill> yofel: of course :)
[19:55] <bencahill> ok, thanks...
[19:55] <yofel> bencahill: then it would be helpful if they could confirm the bug too then
[19:55] <yofel> the filed bug I mean
[19:56] <bencahill> yofel: ah, I will see if I can do that
[19:56] <bencahill> yofel: right
[19:57] <yofel> " of course :)" - if that were so for everyone the report bug button on launchpad wouldn't redirect you to a wiki page...
[19:57] <yofel> that's mainly why we force apport - the wiki has a link how to file a bug without it
[20:00] <bencahill> yofel: yeah, I understand, it just bugs me :D (pun intended ;P )
[20:00] <yofel> :)
[21:21] <simar> ubottu grub
[21:59] <bencahill> yofel: okay, got a bug report and a confirmation :) thanks for your help with the matter.
[21:59] <yofel> np