[00:14] <nonya> Chrome works right
[00:35] <plstux> hey hey! has anyone found a solution to the whole blank screen after wake from suspend thing?
[00:35] <plstux> (14.04)
[00:36] <plstux> i installed a newer version of xfce4-power-manager from a patched PPA, but still get black screens
[00:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> I ended up having to swap out light-locker for gnome-screensaver.
[00:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Seems to have cleared it up.
[00:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, you can revert away from the ppa, restore the previous power manager.
[00:40] <plstux> i installed gnome-screensaver, but it doesn't show up in my xfce admin panel thing
[00:40] <plstux> do i have to uninstall light-locker for it to show up?
[00:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> that's because gnome-screensaver doesn't have a config gui.
[00:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, no icon in settings manager.
[00:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just go into startup and change it from light-locker to gnome-screensaver
[00:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> want to test it now? killall -9 light-locker and use alt-f2 to start gnome-screensaver.
[00:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> If it works for you, then pull light-locker
[00:44] <plstux> can't find out how to configure gnome-screensaver though?
[00:44] <plstux> or does it just blank the screen depending on when my timers are set in power manager?
[00:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> it's just a blanker
[00:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> it blanks when the power manager tells it to.
[00:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or when the system is locked.
[00:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's pretty easy peasy, if you're not looking for pretty.
[00:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> I would prefer to use light-locker, but it needs the kinks worked out, first.
[00:46] <plstux> i am a simple man
[00:46] <plstux> just tested it out, it shows my session for a split second on resume but does lock
[00:46] <plstux> so this is good enough until light-locker is patched!
[00:46] <plstux> thanks for your help dude
[00:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> no prob.
[00:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> if you want it to lock, that can be controlled in the power manager
[00:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> If you're having an issue where the laptop is suspending on lid close, and you don't want that, you have to edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[00:48] <plstux> sweet, yeah i did some digging earlier and discovered i needed to edit logind.conf
[00:49] <plstux> nothing worse than suspending on lid close
[00:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> just edit #LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes to LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=no
[00:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> if you changed this line, #HandleLidSwitch=suspend, change it back.
[00:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or, just remark it
[00:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> Then all will be well.
[00:50] <plstux> oh, yeah, I changed that line
[00:50] <plstux> is that the wrong way to do it?
[00:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> Not wrong, just a bit more dirty.
[00:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> I find LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=no to be power manager friendly. Gives you more control through the power manager.
[00:51] <plstux> easy, changed it around
[00:52] <plstux> thanks for all the help
[00:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> test it out and let us know.,
[00:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> no prob
[00:52] <Masterjedi688> Hello
[00:52] <Masterjedi688> I'm here looking for some info from everyone
[00:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just ask your question. If someone knows an answer, they'll chime in.
[00:53] <Masterjedi688> At the present time I have Bodhi Linux on my old pc and I'd like to know which is small in terms of RAM and Hard drive between them?
[00:54] <Masterjedi688> My pc is about 7-8 years of age, Dell Dimension B110, 2.53GHz, 1 GB of RAM and about 80GB of Hard drive, Intel Celeron R cpu
[00:56] <Masterjedi688> Basically, I'm just looking for an easier Linux distro.  My pc used to have windows XP on.  Just glad I got rid of XP
[00:57] <Overboost> The laptop that I am currently using is from 04, running Xubuntu 14.04 pretty good.
[00:58] <Guest253> hello :)
[00:58] <Masterjedi688> Mine is a desktop
[00:58] <Masterjedi688> Hi Guest253
[00:58] <Guest253> fresh install 14.04 running very well on my laptop
[00:59] <Guest253> i like it
[00:59] <Masterjedi688> ok
[00:59] <plstux> it'll run it fine
[00:59] <plstux> RAM will be fine with midori and keeping the tab count low
[01:00] <Masterjedi688> Xubu uses Midori?
[01:01] <Masterjedi688> Tab count?
[01:02] <Overboost> http://postimg.org/image/p141u8h9v/
[01:03] <Masterjedi688> I guess I'll keep some reasearch about Xubu and a few other Linux distros
[01:03] <Masterjedi688> thanks
[02:27] <Guest253> a ppa for plank? using 14.04
[03:20] <Liquidedge> I downloaded an updated driver for my legacy wireless card.  How do I tell Xubuntu to load this new one on boot?
[03:20] <Liquidedge> I have it in /lib/firmware
[03:54] <Guest253> :)
[05:05] <vcamargo> hey fellas! how are you doing?
[05:05] <vcamargo> does any of you have an useful tutorial on how to update from xubuntu 13.10 to the 14.04?
[05:06] <mapp> hey
[05:06] <mapp> cant u just run th do-release-upgrade cmd
[05:06] <vcamargo> i'm new to xubuntu and i'm really excited to try this new version
[05:06] <cfhowlett_> mapp not until point release 14.04.1
[05:06] <mapp> oh
[05:06] <vcamargo> mapp, i tried that but it didn't worked
[05:07] <vcamargo> should i download it and install it from a cd maybe?
[05:07] <cfhowlett_> vcamargo torrent 14.04.  verify the ISO with md5sum.  make a USB.  verify the USB.  boot your computer from USB.  Install.
[05:07] <vcamargo> is that the only way?
[05:07] <vcamargo> cfhowlett_, thanks for that, but would you have any other alternative?
[05:08] <cfhowlett_> vcamargo wait until july and sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade
[05:08] <vcamargo> cfhowlett_, it would overwrite my current installation right? i do not intend to do so
[05:08] <vcamargo> cfhowlett_, oh, ok then
[05:08] <vcamargo> cfhowlett_, thanks!
[05:08] <cfhowlett_> vcamargo happy to help
[05:09] <vcamargo> cfhowlett_, is that the only way right?
[05:09] <cfhowlett_> vcamargo upgrade or clean install are your options.
[05:09] <vcamargo> cfhowlett_, i mean, wait for a new version and then use do-release-upgrade
[05:10] <cfhowlett_> vcamargo OR download the ISO now and clean install
[05:10] <vcamargo> do you know why do-release-upgrade is not working now?
[05:11] <vcamargo> is there any specific reason?
[05:11] <cfhowlett_> vcamargo because it doesn't kick in until point release 1
[05:13] <vcamargo> cfhowlett_, right, thanks ;)
[05:42] <xubuntu495> hi everyone
[05:47] <xubuntu495> i need to know where can i find a list of supported notebooks for the xubunto operating system. i need this before try to install it because with an older version of ubunto i had problems with the display of my Packard Bell EasyNote LJ 65. Can someone help me? tks
[06:00] <xubuntu463> Hello.
[06:01] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu463 dell xps 13 developer edition
[06:02] <xubuntu463> I need help with xubuntu 14.04 lightdm login window.  I have to change my uid to 201 because I use NFS and all other computers in the network have this uid for me.  However, when I do this, the lightdm login no longer shows my username.
[06:03] <xubuntu463> I tried editing /etc/lightdm/users.conf and set minimum-uid=100 but it didn't help.
[06:03] <xubuntu463> It's annoying to have to select "Other" from the menu and type both your username and password every time the screen saver activates.
[06:11] <Name141> Can Xubuntu be true LTS? I think there was one that wouldn't let you stay LTS?
[06:12] <cfhowlett_> Name141 14.04 is LTS
[06:12] <cfhowlett_> Name141 and if it's LTS it STAYS lts ...
[06:13] <Name141> cfhowlett_: I think Lubuntu you can't stay LTS?
[06:13] <Name141> and have to roll ?
[06:13] <Name141> or I could be wrong
[06:13] <cfhowlett_> Name141 what do you mean "can't stay".  LTS is LTS.  that doesn't change
[06:13] <bazhang> LTS stays that way
[06:20] <delt> you mean when the support expires?
[06:30] <Name141> Mkay
[06:30] <Name141> XFCE might be a little more harder to run on old system than Lubuntu?
[06:40] <Name141> XFCE runs pretty decent
[06:41] <bazhang> lubuntu is quite a bit lighter
[06:41] <bazhang> try it and see
[06:42] <bazhang> lubuntu-desktop is the package
[06:42] <Name141> ah I done went and reinstalled
[06:42] <Name141> it was a new setup anyway
[06:57] <bazhang> you can have multiple DE's on a single machine
[06:57] <bazhang> then choose between them at login ; ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop etc
[06:58] <Name141> Yeah, but I didn't want to be using up more space
[06:58] <Name141> with a new install anyway
[07:00] <bazhang> if space is at a premium there are smaller 'core' packages
[07:00] <Name141> ah not that much, 500 GB WD Blue I think is in the dell
[07:01] <Name141> I doubt there was worth messing with the 64 Bit OS vs 32 bit with an E2160 and 2 GBs of RAM?
[07:02] <bazhang> might you upgrade ram sometime in the future?
[07:03] <bazhang> there's really no reason to not run 64bit if your machine allows
[07:04] <bazhang> another advantage to tje 'core' packages is they dont bring in multiple clients, office suites, etc
[07:06] <Name141> no, I'm not messing with DDR2
[09:08] <share> what Xfce theme looks better with Numix
[09:08] <share> oops it's numix
[09:08] <share> Lol
[09:44] <delt> Hello
[09:44] <delt> do environment variables get expanded in /etc/environment?
[09:44] <delt> (i don't feel like rebooting to find out so i'm asking here =) )
[10:03] <share> wtf my terminal key shortcut stopped working
[10:03] <share> not
[10:06] <BoozeWooz> Hi, I've having horrible booting times (2min), created bootchart, can someone take look at it please? http://i.imgur.com/iNP82Jl.png
[10:08] <share> bootchart is ugly
[10:08] <BoozeWooz> what to use instead?
[10:09] <share> systemd-analyze
[10:09] <share> systemd-analyze blame
[10:09] <share> but bootchart is also useful
[10:10] <BoozeWooz> ok, i'll use the blame thing, once give it 2min to boot :)
[10:10] <share> you don tneed
[10:10] <share> BoozeWooz: if you are using systemd you just run the command after booting
[10:13] <delt> can you install stuff from the ubuntu repos in linux mint?
[10:13] <delt> and/or in linux mint debian edition?
[10:14] <BoozeWooz> share: it says: "Systemd-analyze" command not found..
[10:17] <brainwash> BoozeWooz: ubuntu does not use proper systemd yet
[10:19] <share> there you go
[10:20] <share> and it's not Systemd
[10:22] <brainwash> the bootchart looks very strange
[10:22] <BoozeWooz> theres a 75s delay before anything happens, its what conserns me mainly
[10:23] <brainwash> can you also upload /var/log/dmesg?
[10:25] <BoozeWooz> www.pastebin.com/sxGVDaUS
[10:26] <BoozeWooz> ata1 from 6 second to 71second..
[10:26] <brainwash> indeed
[10:27] <brainwash> maybe your hdd is not properly connected
[10:27] <delt> can you install stuff from the ubuntu repos in linux mint and/or linux mint debian edition?
[10:28] <brainwash> linux mint is basically ubuntu
[10:28] <BoozeWooz> its CD rom caddy, i put harddisk inside it, will check connections again, thanks for looking and helping!
[10:28] <brainwash> the debian edition is based on debian, so it will cause trouble
[10:29] <brainwash> BoozeWooz: at least we got a hint now :)
[10:29] <BoozeWooz> yes, in worst case i can recompile kernel and remove these annoying thing (to fail on 1st try)
[10:39] <delt> gaah this bug again :( term windows (xfce4-terminal, rxvt, xterm) act as if the state of either CTRL key is inverted
[10:40] <delt> though alt+delete doesn't do anything, and ctrl+alt+delete works as expected
[10:40] <share> the problem with Numix xfwm theme is nvidia
[10:59] <delt> resetting my keyboard layout with xmodmap doesn't fix it, neither does choosing a layout in the xfce control panel
[10:59] <delt> (i usually leave it to "use default" and set the keyboard layout with xmodmap)
[11:13] <share> delt: what does ctrl alt del
[11:14] <delt> share: i mapped it to show the logout window
[11:17] <share> oh
[11:24] <assistente> hi to all! howto print a image with ristretto?
[11:32] <brainwash> assistente: not possible as of now
[11:33] <assistente> ok thx
[11:34] <brainwash> you can use gthumb to print images
[11:34] <brainwash> (needs to be installed manually in xubuntu 14.04)
[11:35] <brainwash> or any web browser
[12:47] <counter_> hi, which mpc client can be integrated at the xubuntu sound indicator?
[13:03] <Justanick> Hello, where I can find the option to disable the automatic lock/logout of the session on idle? Xubuntu 14.04
[13:05] <Justanick> LightLocker:
[13:05] <Justanick> Automatically lock the session  is set to never
[13:11] <brainwash> counter_: I suggest that you test them all, it's not very likely that someone here knows an answer
[13:13] <counter_> I already tested several clients, none appeared at the indicator, is a manual add required?
[13:14] <brainwash> if the clients don't support the required interface, then adding them manually won't help much
[13:15] <brainwash> but it's still worth a try
[13:16] <brainwash> btw are you talking about terminal based or graphical clients?
[13:16] <counter_> gui clients
[13:20] <counter_> all clients: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients , I am not sure what this is, maybe what I need? "mpDris2 - Background client that exposes MPD to D-Bus via the MPRIS2 interface, e.g. for the gnome / ubuntu sound menu. "
[13:21] <brainwash> exactly, that's needed
[13:21] <ffafard> kjl
[13:24] <counter_> brainwash: you know where can I find this after install?
[14:03] <share> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/featured/format:rss
[14:04] <share> I see an awful black background on that page with mediterranean light
[14:23] <star_prone> hi
[14:24] <star_prone> does anyone knows how can I backup the notes on xubuntu?
[14:27] <elfy> star_prone: .local/share/notes
[14:29] <star_prone> I found it
[14:29] <star_prone> thank you
[14:30] <star_prone> anyone knows how can I make a bootable stick under xubuntu?
[14:30] <star_prone> what app can I use?
[14:30] <elfy> I use unetbootin for my needs
[14:30] <elfy> in the repos
[14:32] <Justanick> Or just dd the *ubuntu iso to the stick
[14:34] <Lax> Is there a difference in the power management settings between Ubuntu and Xubuntu 14.04?  I just installed Xubuntu last night but my PC wont hibernate after inactivity, and the button is greyed/disabled.  This feature did work with Ubuntu 14.04 however, so Im curious if I am missing a config setting somewhere?
[15:08] <Justanick> swap?
[16:02] <ffafard> I cant set my mouse sensivity under xubuntu, I tried user the xset commands but it does not work
[16:02] <ffafard> Does anyone have suggestions^
[16:03] <GridCube> tried the mouse settings?
[16:03] <ffafard> yeah in the GUI right?
[16:03] <ffafard> I select the the device and and then try to modify the sensivity
[16:03] <ffafard> But it does not have any effect
[16:04] <ffafard> Actually the Acceleration parameter works fine
[16:05] <ffafard> Its only the sensivity
[16:05] <ffafard> Weird
[16:06] <ElderDryas> ffafard: Is there anything special about your mouse (multiple wireless setup, keyboard and mouse use same connector, for example)?
[16:07] <ffafard> Well, I use a KVM switch but both keyboard and mouse have their own USB port
[16:08] <ffafard> And they are wired
[16:09] <ElderDryas> Not a solution, but I'd suggest taking the kvm out of the picture.  If things work then, we know it's something with the kvm and work from there.  If not, then we look at something else.
[16:09] <ElderDryas> one variable at a time :)
[18:41] <jorge> hi
[18:41] <David-A> hi!
[18:41] <jorge> I'm new on IRC chat... Firts, sorry for my english ;-(
[18:42] <jorge> Im trying to install xubuntu on my Acer Laptop! and it's horrible the UEFI system...
[18:43] <jorge> Can anybody help me a little?
[18:44] <David-A> !uefi
[18:44] <David-A> jorge: ^
[18:44] <jorge> Thanks... I readed some info but I don't understand at well
[18:45] <jorge> At the moment, I disabled secure boot and the installation is finishing...
[18:46] <jorge> But later, I dont know  what to do
[18:48] <jorge> The installation just end now... Im going to try... Thanks to all again... I hope to visit this channel again, I like it!! ;-)
[18:49] <David-A> jorge: ok, you are welcomed back. if you get a problem. or even if you succeed. happiness is good too.
[19:59] <NapoleonWils0n> chromium browser disappers when you switch workspaces
[19:59] <NapoleonWils0n> seems to be a bug going back a year or more any fix out there
[20:21] <DomiX> Hi, does xubuntu use a "clipboard manager" ?
[20:23] <Nizza> DomiX: Not like klipper under KDE so far i know.
[20:24] <DomiX> ok, because I've an issue with capture and pasting into abiword it takes a long time http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13637
[21:06] <xangua> DomiX: diodon is a simple gtk clipboard manager
[21:32] <kingplusplus> please how do i exit magnifier mode in xubuntu... i think i pressed some keys d my all screen changed the windows are controlled by mouse. Its like full screen but bigger
[21:36] <David-A> kingplusplus: I dont know what magnifier you have, but if it behaves like the on in compiz it may be controlled by the mouse wheel plus a modifier key. e.g. alt+wheel, ctrl+wheel, super+wheel or something like that.
[21:38] <kingplusplus> David-A: i dont use compiz... i touch some key combinations mistakenly and i do not know them. screen just changed and i cant see full size of window not even the status bar above.... i have to move mouse up, down, left, to be able to see any part
[21:43] <David-A> kingplusplus: another hunch. ones upon a time, resolution changes could be performed with the + and - keys on the numeric keypad in combination with modifier keys, e.g ctrl-shift-minus or alt-ctrl-minus or alt-shift-minus or something like that.
[21:45] <kingplusplus> David-A: fixed it by change resolution up and down
[21:45] <kingplusplus> and back to normal
[21:46] <kingplusplus> thanks for your concern though and attempted effort to help
[21:48] <David-A> kingplusplus: then there probably is a key combination to change resolution. but we will never know what it is. :)
[22:18] <xubuntu654>
[23:09] <chuyinr> Hi!
[23:09] <chuyinr> Can you help me?
[23:10] <chuyinr> The windows loses title bar when maximixe them :/
[23:20] <nomnyce> Anyone have a guide for using software raid and EFI with xubuntu 14.04?
[23:21] <chuyinr> nevermind, i solved it
[23:21] <drc> chuyinr: and the solution was...?
[23:24] <drc> and now we'll never know :(
[23:45] <sheer> anyone know how to hide a single indicator from the indicator panel?
[23:45] <sheer> redshift-gtk is getting on my nerves
[23:46] <ochosi> sheer: just right click the plugin on the panel and go to properties and hide it from the list
[23:46] <ochosi> or uninstall the indicator
[23:46] <sheer> it only hides all application indicators as a category, not individual applications
[23:46] <sheer> distinct from the notifications panel, which does allow blacklisting processes
[23:48] <drc> sheer: right click on indicator plugin (it can be done :), Properties> Known indicators> click Hidden.
[23:49] <drc> or go thru panel preferences>items
[23:49] <sheer> it seems to throw all applications in the one category: http://i.imgur.com/fytnC8h.png
[23:50] <drc> ah, I see what you mean.
[23:55] <ochosi> yup, didn't know it was an app indicator
[23:55] <ochosi> although there is a way to hide even that
[23:55] <ochosi> via an apparmor profile
[23:55] <ochosi> if you're willing to go there


[03:28] <SmallwoodDR82> I'm running Mythbuntu w/ 14.04 I'm trying to change my repo to .28 and getting a db file error.  Saw a thread about the repo address moved or something to that nature.  Anything I can do manually or do I need to reinstall?
[04:21] <gregl> SmallwoodDR82, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.28/ubuntu trusty main
[04:22] <gregl> SmallwoodDR82,  deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.28/ubuntu trusty main
[04:29] <SmallwoodDR82> gregl: do I need to remove any of the .27 stuff?


[08:35] <ren0v0> Would anyone here be able to help with DAC support under ubuntu?
[09:52] <zequence> ren0v0: What kind of problem are you having?
[09:55] <stacy-> can somebody show me how to use obs studio
[09:55] <cfhowlett> "obs studio"?  never heard of it.
[09:56] <stacy-> cfhowlett https://obsproject.com/download#linux
[09:56] <stacy-> isnt this used for streaming video?
[09:56] <TheHackOps> Kden live support broken in 15.10?
[09:57] <cfhowlett> stacy-, as I said, never heard of it and I've been on Ubuntu Studio for years.  I see a community chat option on that page.  best to ask them
[09:58] <stacy-> cfhowlett.. is ubuntu studio easy to learn ?..i need to  live stream video
[09:58] <TheHackOps> stacy-, I live stream from normal ubuntu a LOT
[09:59] <TheHackOps> I use OBS for linux
[09:59] <TheHackOps> works a charm,
[09:59] <zequence> TheHackOps: Kdenlive should improve a lot on 16.04, coming out in less than a month now
[09:59] <cfhowlett> stacy-, i f you mean, "can I easily stream from ubuntu?", then yes.  see TheHackOps for guidance :)
[09:59] <stacy-> thehackops.. which one is easier to get it up and running faster.. obs or ubuntu studio
[10:00] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Not even about easily (its very easy) I get better quality on my ubuntu setup than i did on windows
[10:00] <TheHackOps> whut
[10:00] <TheHackOps> Ubuntu Studio is a distro variant of ubuntu
[10:00] <stacy-> thehackops.. can both obs and ubuntu studio be used on the same server?
[10:00] <TheHackOps> OBS is debian based software
[10:00] <cfhowlett> TheHackOps, Ubuntu Studio is an official Ubuntu flavor
[10:01] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Sorry I dont use it
[10:01] <zequence> stacy-: Ubuntu Studio is an operating system. OBS is an application which you can install onto an operating system
[10:01] <TheHackOps> Im plain ol vanilla ubuntu for me
[10:01] <stacy-> which one streams video better ? obs or ubuntu studio
[10:01] <cfhowlett> stacy-, Ubuntu Studio is the OS.  seems like OBS is the app so ... yes
[10:01] <TheHackOps> https://obsproject.com/
[10:01] <TheHackOps> OBS is a powerful crossplatform live streaming software
[10:01] <stacy-> there is a ubuntu studio in the software center
[10:01] <TheHackOps> Supports openGL direct hooks
[10:01] <TheHackOps> and more
[10:02] <cfhowlett> stacy-,what OS do you have now??
[10:02] <zequence> stacy-: The Ubuntu Studio you see in the software center is a mix of packages which you can use to turn any Ubuntu flavor into Ubuntu Studio
[10:02] <stacy-> i have ubuntu desktop now
[10:02] <TheHackOps> stacy-, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:obsproject/obs-studio
[10:02] <TheHackOps> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install obs-studio
[10:02] <zequence> stacy-: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours
[10:02] <stacy-> i need something easy to get it workng
[10:02] <TheHackOps> Have a play with it
[10:03] <zequence> stacy-: You don't need Ubuntu Studio. Just the application.
[10:03] <cfhowlett> stacy-, OK ... if you wanted to go full Ubuntu Studio you could easily add those packages to your ubuntu.  but if you only want OBS-studio, you can install that directly.  see the OBS installation instructions on their page
[10:03] <TheHackOps> You might need to install ffmpeg
[10:03] <stacy-> thehackops..can you show me some samples on it
[10:03] <TheHackOps> Am I allowed to post my youtube channel in here?
[10:03] <stacy-> i had it installed but not familair with how it works
[10:03] <stacy-> thehackops private message me
[10:03] <cfhowlett> TheHackOps, yep.  PM is the way to go
[10:04] <TheHackOps> I dont like PM's sorry
[10:04] <TheHackOps> Just try it
[10:04] <stacy-> by the way ..is there a good proxy or vpn i can use on ubunto to view google or youtube
[10:04] <TheHackOps> I record and stream CS:GO
[10:04] <TheHackOps> with it
[10:04] <TheHackOps> 0.0
[10:05] <TheHackOps> stacy-, Are you new to linux?
[10:05] <stacy-> sorry i am new
[10:05] <TheHackOps> Oh
[10:05] <TheHackOps> My bad
[10:05] <TheHackOps> No problems
[10:05] <TheHackOps> Yes
[10:05] <TheHackOps> OpenVPN will help you
[10:05] <TheHackOps> But you will still need a VPN network
[10:05] <TheHackOps> Anyway time to try openshot
[10:05] <cfhowlett> this!!!
[10:05] <TheHackOps> Since kdenlive is broken
[10:06] <TheHackOps> Long live kdenlive
[10:06] <TheHackOps> :(
[10:06] <stacy-> hackops..can you suggest an easy to use app
[10:06] <cfhowlett> TheHackOps, it's worth it to get the openshot ppa for version 2
[10:06] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Dammit I assumed they would have updated launchpad
[10:06]  * TheHackOps goes looking for PPA
[10:07] <stacy-> i need both openvpn and openshot for the vpn to work right?
[10:07] <cfhowlett> TheHackOps, https://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[10:07] <cfhowlett> stacy-, no
[10:07] <cfhowlett> openshot is for video editing
[10:07] <cfhowlett> openVPN is for handling a vpn connection
[10:07] <TheHackOps> stacy-, Two seperate conversations
[10:07] <stacy-> cfhowlett..what is best for live streaming
[10:07] <stacy-> ?
[10:08] <cfhowlett> stacy-, there is no "best" in any category of software.  best bet: choose a tool, learn the tool and that will be your "best"
[10:08] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Erm I dont mean to be Bias as I do contribute to OBS's source but
[10:08] <TheHackOps> OBS is the best on nix
[10:08] <TheHackOps> at least for debian
[10:08] <stacy-> i need something easy to get it up and running
[10:09] <TheHackOps> stacy-, Install OBS
[10:09] <TheHackOps> Do you know how to use the terminal in ubuntu yet?
[10:09] <stacy-> thehackops... its installed
[10:09] <TheHackOps> Ok, open it
[10:09] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Has OpenShot always used Qt?
[10:10] <TheHackOps> OHH MY this is smexy
[10:10] <cfhowlett> TheHackOps, I don't think so thus the "new and improved" version 2.  As I understand it, Openshot was rebuilt to exploit QT goodies
[10:10] <stacy-> its obs 0.13.1
[10:10] <stacy-> is this the one you use thehackops
[10:10] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Being a Qt developer myself I might just exploit it more
[10:11]  * TheHackOps goes digging in the source code
[10:11] <cfhowlett> please do!
[10:11] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Would it be wrong of me to write a metro theme for this with QSS :(
[10:11] <TheHackOps> It needs more bazaz
[10:11] <stacy-> thehackops..how do i link obs to joomla?
[10:12] <cfhowlett> TheHackOps, I'm not the maintainer but he would likely welcome the effort
[10:12] <TheHackOps> stacy-, Joomla is a web cms
[10:12] <TheHackOps> OBS is streaming software
[10:12] <TheHackOps> they're not even related at all
[10:13] <stacy-> thehackops.. i am trying to have a template stream video
[10:13] <stacy-> after making the site how do i link obs to the site?
[10:13] <TheHackOps> stacy-, You would need to use something like Twitch.tv or Youtube
[10:14] <TheHackOps> they have live streaming support
[10:14] <TheHackOps> you can embed their player
[10:14] <stacy-> thehacksops..for example..if the person clcks on the thumb nail they would get the live stream..
[10:15] <TheHackOps> stacy-, Anata wa nigongo o hanasemasu ka?
[10:16] <stacy-> i am from california thehackops
[10:16] <TheHackOps> Says japan on your IRC tag
[10:16] <TheHackOps> Oh wait
[10:16] <TheHackOps> wrong person
[10:16] <TheHackOps> lol
[10:16] <stacy-> hai.. mama desu ne
[10:16] <cfhowlett> indeed
[10:16] <TheHackOps> hahaha
[10:17] <stacy-> i am using vpns on this
[10:17] <TheHackOps> cfhowlett, Where in Japan do you live?
[10:17] <stacy-> and i cant get into google or youtube
[10:19] <cfhowlett> TK
[10:19] <cfhowlett> stacy-, try vimeo
[10:20] <stacy-> thehackops... is there an irc chatroom for obs
[10:20] <stacy-> obs studio
[10:20] <TheHackOps> I think there is
[10:20] <TheHackOps> indeed
[10:21] <stacy-> i dont think its #obs
[10:21] <stacy-> inside its about opensuse
[10:46] <ren0v0> zequence, hi, i have a SMSL Q5 pro that doesn't seem to want to play ball, i've tried 14.04, 15.10, 16.04 and they all react a little differently but none work for any period of time. When i connect (USB DAC) it shows up hotplugged as an analog device, and via cold boot both analog and digital (Q-AMP). They flash on and off, and if you click it quick enough it'll output, and 5-10 seconds later it'll start to crackle
[10:46] <ren0v0> and become inaudible
[13:49] <zequence> ren0v0: Did you try it with jack?
[13:49] <zequence> For any pulseaudio related problems, you could try #pulseaudio
[13:49] <zequence> As for jack #jack
[13:50] <zequence> Both use ALSA as backend, so could be your device is not well supported.
[13:50] <zequence> Found your forum post.
[13:50] <zequence> You could also try sending a post to the linux audio user mail list
[13:54] <ren0v0> zequence, thanks, yea i had some help over at #lad, i'll get my forum post updated with a lot more info as soon as i get the time, i've ordered a replacement device to rule that out, but would like to keep it if its still faulty and work through the issue, it seems great value
[17:38] <Prodigy> I was wondering if anyone still used irc
[17:40] <krytarik> "Yes."
[17:41] <Prodigy> good to know
[23:06] <ubuntu-studio> test


[00:04] <Pici> rww: you're boring. 11:04
[00:05] <rww> Pici: you forgot to miscapitalize my nick
[00:11] <ikonia> I've just realised how useless most of the wiki pages are now with the change to unity
[00:13] <LjL> most of them were useless already, last updated for Hardy :(
[00:13] <ikonia> true
[00:13] <ikonia> this community thing isn't working is it.....;)
[03:12] <Logan_> LjL: one of your gems :P
[03:13] <rww> I like that one.
[03:13] <Logan_> heh
[03:13] <IdleOne> !test
[03:13] <IdleOne> !give me a test
[03:14] <IdleOne> nope that stays
[03:14] <IdleOne> I like it also
[03:14] <Logan_> fine :P
[03:14] <IdleOne> Logan_: We can't get rid of all the personality, people might think ubottu is a bot
[03:15] <Logan_> !gender
[03:16] <IdleOne> that is a smoke screen
[03:16] <rww> in reality, ubottu is jussi.
[03:17] <rww> !mjg59
[03:17] <rww> !-mjg59
[03:17] <Jordan_U> ?
[03:17] <rww> !+mjg59
 says that !ultamatix is "nowhere near the most condescending or belittling thing I've written about someone else's software."
[03:17] <rww> elky: y u <reply>
[03:18] <rww> Jordan_U: mjg59 is a hero for our times. I would consider it immoral to remove that myself.
[03:19] <Logan_> apparently I'm too deletionist for you guys :P
[03:19] <Jordan_U> !u | rww
[03:19] <Jordan_U> ;)
[03:20] <rww> Time to test a thing!
[03:20] <rww> !mjg59 =~ s/<reply>//
[03:20] <rww> oh wow, that worked.
[03:20] <rww> !mjg59
[03:20] <Logan_> haha
[03:20] <rww> oh, derp
[03:20] <IdleOne> owned
[03:20] <rww> !mjg59 =~ s/  /<reply> mjg59 /
[03:20] <IdleOne> just forget it?
[03:20] <rww> !+mjg59
[03:21] <rww> !mjg59 =~ s/^ /<reply> mjg59 /
[03:21] <rww> !mjg59
[03:21] <rww> IdleOne: no I'm doing science be quiet
[03:21] <rww> and let me spam the channel
[03:21] <IdleOne> oooh science
[03:21]  * IdleOne gets safety glasses
[03:21] <Flannel> IdleOne: dont forget to stand back!
[03:22] <IdleOne> Flannel: but I can't see if I am to far back
[03:22] <Logan_> get rid of that comma after !no, though :P
[03:22] <rww> !otherdistro
[03:22] <rww> !distributions
[03:23] <rww> I had a thought earlier that I kinda wanna change !derivatives or whatever it is from listing things we don't support to listing things we do support.
[03:23] <IdleOne> the list of things we do support is shorter ;)
[03:23] <rww> and changes less often
[03:25] <rww> !dad
[03:25] <rww> forgot
[03:26] <IdleOne> that has to be from the days when anybody could add factoids
[03:26] <rww> nope
[03:26] <IdleOne> !crackports
 You don't randoming just say 'do it' on the SRU team at the consistent volume that the crackports team does.  Also, it's all jdong's fault
[03:27] <rww> well it might be, but I'm pretty sure Hobbsee has factoid privs
[03:27] <Logan_> ooh, I found another LjL gem :P
[03:27] <Logan_> !point
[03:29] <Flannel> feisty
[03:33] <Logan_> !sco
[03:34] <rww> !forget sco
[03:34] <rww> !forget point
[03:34] <Logan_> ...
[03:35] <Logan_> holy lag
[03:36] <Flannel> Oh, that wasn't me?
[03:42] <rww> Logan_: she doesn't repeat herself on things like !forget. questionable flood prevention
[03:42] <Logan_> well, I was just talking about my connection lag in general, but... :P
[03:43] <rww> ah, nvm :)
[03:43] <Jordan_U> Logan_: Bet you can't beat 3 minutes.
[03:44] <Logan_> I hope I can't :P
[05:45] <rww> ignore that yo ^
[05:55] <Tm_T> huh, just realised I can list the "normal" users in the channel instead of listing all
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Has ubuser been allowed back in #ubuntu intentionally or is this ban evasion again?
 it's kind of a technicality, so I'm not planning on bothering otherwise
[06:04] <IdleOne> oops
[06:05] <IdleOne> I fail at multiple line pasting
[06:05]  * rww schools IdleOne on pasting from unlogged channels to logged ones
[06:06] <IdleOne> that line out of context means nothing
[06:06] <rww> Jordan_U: they're ban-evading. you're the original banner, you pick what to do ;P
[06:07] <Tm_T> friendly notifying what the case is in PM and hoping he gets the hint would be my first try
[06:14] <rww> hi iFrenzy
[06:14] <iFrenzy> well hi
[06:15] <rww> for ops playing along at home, BT #40433
[06:15] <iFrenzy> now to the issue at hand
[06:15] <iFrenzy> are you waiting for me to restate my question?
[06:16] <IdleOne> context:
 rww: lol so let me get this straight, you banned me from a chat room because I ask a question and you give me an attitude about it? I'm not starting anything else, I just want clarification.
[06:16] <rww> the tl;dr from my point of view is that you asked a support question, I told you "#ubuntu-offtopic is not a backup channel for when #ubuntu doesn't answer you :(", and you replied with a bad attitude repeatedly until I got tired of it and muted you for being disruptive.
[06:17] <rww> notably, I told you to come back "tomorrow". I do not feel that less than 5 hours later is a reasonable interpretation of that.
[06:17] <iFrenzy> rww: I had a bad attitude because you could have simply in a nice way said that offtopic didn't handle support questions but instead gave me a smart alec response
[06:17] <iFrenzy> lol and also tomorrow is tomorrow whether its 2 minutes or 23hours and 59 minutes later
[06:18] <rww> iFrenzy: The channel /topic that you're expected to read when joining the channel says that very plainly.
[06:18] <rww> iFrenzy: I do not intend to have an argument with you about what is a reasonable interpretation of "tomorrow".
[06:18] <Tm_T> iFrenzy: 1) there's no excuse for bad behaviour  2) we usually mean "come next day same time" when we say tomorrow
[06:18] <iFrenzy> rww: and as I told you earlier I read you what my chat client displayed as the topic
[06:19] <iFrenzy> Tm_T: ok so its ok for him to give me a smart ass response when i ask a question, but my rebuttal is unacceptable?
[06:19] <rww> If it makes things clearer to you, the relevant Bantracker comment says "24 hours", not that I expect you to know that.
[06:19] <IdleOne> you're rebuttal was unacceptable because iirc you called rww an asshole
[06:20] <IdleOne> that IS not acceptable at any time
[06:20] <rww> IdleOne: snobs, actually. I did give you the BTid, go read ;P
[06:20] <Tm_T> iFrenzy: as far as I can see rww wasn't anything "unsmart" as you suggest
[06:20] <rww> oh, I lied, asshole too.
[06:20]  * IdleOne goes back to idle
[06:20] <iFrenzy> by the way, who is rww?
[06:20] <rww> why do people keep asking that
[06:20] <IdleOne> he is an op in several ubuntu related channels
[06:22] <IdleOne> not sure if you have read these but...
[06:22] <IdleOne> !guidelines > iFrenzy
[06:23] <IdleOne> !code of coduct > iFrenzy
[06:23] <IdleOne> err
[06:23] <IdleOne> !code of conduct > iFrenzy
[06:23] <Jordan_U> !coc > iFrenzy
[06:23] <iFrenzy> all I'm saying is if he would have responded to my initial question with a respectful, to the point response and instead of the smartass one he gave there would have never been a problem
[06:24] <IdleOne> he did, you took it the wrong way and chose to get all snitty and upitty.
[06:24] <IdleOne> and rude
[06:24] <iFrenzy> I'm the one that was being upitty?
[06:24] <IdleOne> and you are continuing to act like that in here
[06:25] <rww> iFrenzy: 1) I maintain that my answer was not disrespectful. 2) Even if it had been, it does not excuse your petulant and aggressive behavior.
[06:25] <IdleOne> so I suggest you take a break, come back tomorrow (24 hours) and you can discuss it then.
[06:25] <iFrenzy> geez man these rules in chat rooms are worse than high school
[06:26] <rww> As someone who works at a high school... yes, they are, and thank goodness.
[06:26] <iFrenzy> forums are the same way, give a guy forum admin and he thinks he's the president,
[06:26] <iFrenzy> teacher?
[06:26] <IdleOne> that is because in Ubuntu land we expect people to act accordingly, in high school you can break all the rules you want. Not our problem.
[06:27] <iFrenzy> I'm just saying how in highschool they suspend you for saying a curse word and you have to raise your hand to ask a question
[06:27] <rww> i wish
[06:28] <rww> anyway. As IdleOne said, please wander back into #ubuntu-offtopic in about 24 hours.
[06:28] <iFrenzy> ok, lol am i banned from here or something?
[06:29] <IdleOne> no but we ask that you not idle in here unless there is an immediate issue that needs to be addressed
[06:29] <rww> I see you didn't take my advice :(
[06:30] <rww> iFrenzy: This conversation really isn't going anywhere, and the part of the /topic you're not seeing is "Please exit the channel once your issue is dealt with. | We reserve the right to remove idlers"
[06:30] <iFrenzy> oh well, considering I can't go back in offtopic, is there another general talking room related to ubuntu, or am I going to have to go see the fedora folks?
[06:31] <iFrenzy> oh wait, so I have to physically leave the room is that what you're saying or just quit talking?
[06:31] <IdleOne> you need to part the channel
[06:31] <IdleOne> please
[06:31] <iFrenzy> WOW
[06:31] <rww> We really need to affiliate with ##club-ubuntu and direct all the rule-libertarians over there.
[06:32] <IdleOne> yeah, umm, NO.
[06:32] <rww> ;P
[06:32] <Tm_T> I was about to suggest to check our wiki page that has channel list with caution: basic rules about the behaviour applies to them all
[06:33] <rww> I was trying to figure out how to honestly answer that question.
[13:31] <Pici> fyi, there appears to be some sort of skype outage happening: https://twitter.com/#!/Skype
[13:33] <ikonia> shock horror
[13:34] <Tm_T> skynet outage?
[13:34] <ikonia> all the idiots are out "this is what you get for letting M$ buy it !!!"
[13:34] <jussi> which is easily worked around....
[13:34] <ikonia> lol omg I bet bill gates is making calls
[13:34] <ikonia> etc
[13:35] <jussi> Has anyone else had issues with the linux client?
[13:35] <Pici> I don't use skype. I just wanted to make sure that y'all knew just in case we get support questions about it
[13:36] <jussi> yeah, I had an issues, resolved it by removing the settings folder.
[13:36] <ikonia> 13:36 < sudokill> i think cos MS now owns it
[13:36] <Pici> ikonia: although to your benefit, someone just said exactly what you said in #ubuntu
[13:36] <ikonia> I know, ha ha
[13:39] <Pici> ikonia: you know our users too well. :|
[13:40] <Tm_T> ...he is one of our users, he has only to know himself
[13:40] <ikonia> Tm_T: grep the logs, find me making such a stupid comment and I'll donate to an opensource project
[13:41] <Tm_T> ikonia: I never claimed you would do that, you siply know how and why that happens
[13:41] <jussi> [15:34:54] <ikonia> lol omg I bet bill gates is making calls
[13:41] <jussi> I win. :D
[13:42] <jussi> no mention of context there :D
[13:42] <ikonia> jussi: void
[13:42] <ikonia> then you are not playing fair
[13:42] <jussi> hehe
[13:42] <ikonia> you should be shamed
[13:42] <jussi> ikonia: just playing :)
[13:43] <jussi> kinda had to though...
[13:43] <ikonia> not play fair I think
[13:45] <ikonia> 13:44 -!- Zephr0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Quit: changing
[13:45] <ikonia> what a nice host
[13:45] <ikonia> messaged him
[13:49] <knome> any host that has "fart" in it is nice
[13:49] <ikonia> the fuck.me bit isn't great though
[13:58] <knome> agreed :)
[13:58] <knome> fart always wins, that's the rule
[13:58] <knome> :P
[14:10]  * jpds walks in, reads ikonia saying "fuck me" and wonders what happened.
[14:11] <ikonia> read the scroll back for uninteresting info
[14:22] <jpds> Just knowing that was more fun.
[14:38] <Technoviking> hello, are bots allowed in #ubuntu channels?
[14:39] <popey> !bots
[14:39] <popey> that last link I guess
[14:39] <Tm_T> Technoviking: some bots are allowed
[14:40] <Tm_T> ...in some channels
[14:41] <Technoviking> I'm running an RSS feed bot (supybot) in #ubuntu-power-users, pull feeds from The Planet and other Ubuntu blogs
[14:41] <Pici> Generally they need to be approved by the channel's founders/ops
[14:41] <LjL> Technoviking: if staticsafe is fine with it, i'm sure there is no problem
[14:43] <Technoviking> I will ask him and jussi
[14:43] <Technoviking> thanks
[14:51] <Corey> http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlight.do?airline=UA&departureDate=2011-05-26&flightNumber=493&x=0&y=0 <-- Whee.
[14:52] <LjL> you're on the plane?
[14:52] <Corey> LjL: Yes.
[14:52] <LjL> internet must be expensive
[14:53] <Corey> $13 flat rate.
[14:53] <Corey> aka "Less than a drink in Los Angeles"
[14:53] <Pici> Power too?
[15:00] <Corey> Nope.
[15:00] <Corey> But it's a Macbook Air.  Battery will last me another 6 hours yet.  Flight's done in ~4.
[15:02] <Pici> Nice
[15:09] <ikonia> slick
[15:12] <Pici>  !skypefail is <reply> Skype are currently having issues with connection problems and are working on a fix. A temporary fix can be found at https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10874/I-m-having-problems-with-Skype-today
[15:12] <ikonia> niec
[15:12] <ikonia> nice
[15:34] <Pici> rww: thanks
[15:39] <Pici> sigh
[15:40] <rww> one of those mornings, I see
[16:13] <rww> Pici: i have a couple of #ubuntu-offtopic bans for ginbuntu that were me changing banforwards by you into bans. still think he needs to be banned there?
[16:14] <Pici> rww: I think it'll be okay to remove them at this time
[16:20] <Pici> ...
[16:22] <Logan_> it's a dead link
[16:22] <Pici> !oracle
[16:23] <Pici> !oracle =~ s#:$#: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html/
[16:23] <Pici> !oracle =~ s#:$#: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html#
[16:24] <Pici> !no oracle is <reply> If you -must- install oracle .... here's a good place to start: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html
[16:24] <Logan_> heh, that works
[16:24] <Pici> Yep
[16:25] <Pici> Although oracle's search is horrible
[16:25] <rww> Pici: I think you meant s#:.*$#...#, btw ;)
[16:25] <popey> really? we need to "-must-" that?
[16:25] <popey> !skype
[16:25] <popey> why doesn't that say "If you _must_ install skype"?
[16:26] <rww> why don't we !forget oracle, since I've never ever seen that be used
[16:26] <popey> heh
[16:26] <Logan_> rww: that was my original idea :P
[16:26] <rww> also, "Oracle" is not a product, it's a company kthx.
[16:26]  * popey wishes he could !forget oracle IRL
[16:26] <genii-around> The packages in that repository are from 2005
[16:26] <rww> genii-around: Oracle's?
[16:26] <highvoltage> Oracle is like The Game
[16:26] <popey> I see what you did there.
[16:26] <rww> !-oracle
[16:26] <rww> !forget oracle
[16:27] <genii-around> rww: Yes, the dates on files like in here: http://oss.oracle.com/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/
[16:27] <rww> genii-around: all the more reason, then :)
[16:27] <genii-around> Yup!
[16:27] <rww> popey: I for one think we should push for ubottu to get FSF approval by removing all non-free factoids and repository !infos ;D
[16:27] <popey> ooo, a vrms for the bots
[16:28] <LjL> all ops should have their DNA mapped and open sourced
[16:29] <rww> something about FloodBots
[16:29] <LjL> something about security
[16:30] <LjL> some lies* about security
[16:30] <rww> oft-repeated comments about security through obscurity that don't really apply
[16:50] <genii-around> When we tell ubottu to forget something, does it actually have some result on the size of it's collection of factoids? Because http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi still shows them, just as <deleted>
[16:50] <Pici> No, they still stick around.
[17:02] <genii-around> I have lunch shortly, was considering going through factoids and removing some old/obsolete ones, should I post the potential ones here or someplace before removal, for review?
[17:06] <tsimpson> reviewing all of the factoids is one of those often talked about but rarely done things
[17:07] <ikonia> I did it a while ago and we did a reasonable clear out
[17:07] <ikonia> the problem is things that people thing should go, others thing are valid
[17:26] <ubuser> is there a way to get around the grub menu?
[17:26] <ubuser> my computer when i boot, grub says error 15
[17:27] <ubuser> i do not have a way on this computer and it is not showin that i have two harddrives? is there a way to skip grub?
[17:28] <ubuser> is there a way around teh grub, please help
[17:28] <ubuser> thanks for telling me update btw faggot
[17:29] <Corey> How civil.
[17:31] <IdleOne> you in Africa Corey ?
[17:32] <IdleOne> or did a couple of weeks go by and I missed them
[17:32] <Pici> He was en-route to JFK Int'l earlier
[17:32] <Corey> IdleOne: No, at the moment I'm... over Wisconsin.
[17:32] <IdleOne> ah, k
[17:32] <Corey> http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=226751490&airline=UA&flightNumber=493 Or not quite.
[17:32] <Pici> The traffic around JFK is annoying.  I've never been to the airport though.
[17:34] <Corey> Yeah, I'm on United now.
[17:34] <Corey> The connection is Royal Air Marac (NOW WITH SEATBELTS!).
[17:39] <ubuser> please help me..
[17:40] <ubuser> i tried installing grub2, now my pc wont boot
[17:40] <IdleOne> you did wrong, this is not a support channel btw.
[17:40] <ubuser> it says error 15? how can i get around it
[17:41] <ubuser> please man
[17:41] <IdleOne> Like I said this is not a support channel, if you wish to discuss why you were banned from #ubuntu, this would be the place.
[17:42] <ubuser> lick my balls.
[17:42] <ubuser> i done everything they said
[17:42] <ubuser> now im screwed
[17:42] <IdleOne> alrighty then, I think you need a timeout but I am going to give you some help anyway. try ##linux
[17:43] <ubuser> so much for teh updates.
[17:43] <ubuser> gj.
[17:43] <Pici> Its a ban forward to here
[17:44] <IdleOne> well now he is stuck in a loop
[17:51] <genii-around> The current ones I'm thinking to remove: screenshots-#edubuntu tribe6 intrepidkde3 hungover plf latestkde
[17:53] <IdleOne> !forget screenshots-#edubuntu
[17:53] <IdleOne> !forget tribe6
[17:54] <IdleOne> genii-around: if they aren't relevant anymore, go ahead and forget them
[17:54] <IdleOne> we can always unforget if needed
[17:54] <charlie-tca> ubuser is now showing in many channels asking about grub
[17:56] <genii-around> IdleOne: okeley dokeley
[18:07] <popey> ubuser now in -uk
[18:07] <Pici> Was that what that ops call was?
[18:07] <popey> yes
[19:38] <jussi> Hiya Zephr0.
[19:38] <jussi> Zephr0: Do you have any idea why you got forwarded here?
[19:52] <Pici> pozic: I've asked another op to look into it, just hang on a few minutes.
[19:53] <Corey> charlie-tca: Could have asked here. :-)
[19:53] <Corey> Er, that was to CarlFK
[19:54] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:57] <IdleOne> pozic: how can I help you?
[19:58] <pozic> IdleOne: you can press the 'unban' button.
[19:58] <IdleOne> pozic: from what I read in the logs you appeared to have somewhat of a bad attitude the day you got banned.
[19:58] <pozic> IdleOne: a bad attidude requires two persons.
[19:58] <IdleOne> I am a little concerned that attitude might still be present and I need to make sure you understandf our guidelines
[19:59] <pozic> IdleOne: one who supposedly has this attitude and another one to interpret it as such.
[19:59] <IdleOne> pozic: I am here to help with getting you back in #ubuntu
[19:59] <IdleOne> what other people said/did is not my concern right now
[19:59] <pozic> IdleOne: I am not an ass hole, if others are not, generally.
[19:59] <IdleOne> pozic: ok first rule is no swearing, at all.
[20:00] <pozic> Since when did that rule got introduced?
[20:00] <pozic> That was not a rule years ago.
[20:00] <IdleOne> since always in the ubuntu irc channels
[20:00] <pozic> Or at least, it was not enforced.
[20:00] <IdleOne> if it wasn't enforced back in the day it was an oversight
[20:00] <IdleOne> it is now.
[20:01] <pozic> What is a good other word for that word in this context to mean exactly that?
[20:01] <IdleOne> jerk
[20:01] <IdleOne> not the exact same meaning granted but way more acceptable
[20:01] <IdleOne> anyway
[20:01] <IdleOne> Going to have ubottu give you a couple of links
[20:02] <IdleOne> !guidelines > pozic
[20:02] <pozic> Anyway, I reported bugs in Ubuntu, so I helped more than most people.
[20:02] <IdleOne> !code of conduct > pozic
[20:02] <IdleOne> pozic: the amount of help one gives does not allow them to break the rules
[20:02] <IdleOne> you can say I love you 1 million times but the time people remember is "I hate you"
[20:03] <pozic> IdleOne: it appears that admins can break the rules all the time.
[20:03] <Corey> pozic: I assure you that's not the case.
[20:03] <Corey> If I start swearing, I'll lose ops and be banned.
[20:03] <pozic> IdleOne: that is probably sound advice.
[20:03] <IdleOne> if by admin you means ops no they can not. you can come here and report any abuse to the ops team.
[20:03] <pozic> IdleOne: ok, so if someone acts like an incompentent jerk, I can report them and they lose their ops?
[20:04] <IdleOne> not necessarily
[20:04] <pozic> If so, I am more than willing to obey by the rules.
[20:04] <jussi> !appeals
[20:04] <IdleOne> but if the Ubuntu IRC council feels it warranted it is possible
[20:04] <pozic> In general, ops should be competent people, imho.
[20:04] <IdleOne> see the above link
[20:04] <pozic> They should have e.g. higher education.
[20:04] <IdleOne> pozic: ops are volunteers, same as you when you report bugs. We all can make mistakes
[20:05] <pozic> Otherwise it just leads to conflicts.
[20:05] <pozic> They should have natural leadership by being vastly better than the occasional users.
[20:05] <pozic> What is the point otherwise to give them special privileges?
[20:05] <IdleOne> they try but when confronted by users with a poor attitude even the calmest, cool headed op can lose his bearings at times.
[20:06] <IdleOne> his/hers
[20:06] <jussi> pozic: you may want to take a read of the requirements to become an operator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[20:06] <IdleOne> So, I need you to agree to follow our guidelines and code of conduct (you don't have to sign it)
[20:07] <IdleOne> if/when you agree I will remove the ban.
[20:08] <pozic> In my reading catalytic implies competent.
[20:09] <IdleOne> pozic: if you believe you can do a better job I invite you to apply for ops, that will require signing the code of conduct I believe.
[20:12] <CarlFK> pozic: we put forth a best effort.  it seems to work good enough, and I doubt there are any reasonable alternatives.
[20:14] <ikonia> oh, my connection appears to have hung, damn screen
[20:15] <pozic> IdleOne: if there would be 36 hours in a day, I would. I can agree with these rules, certainly now they apply to all users.
[20:15] <IdleOne> they do and always have.
[20:15] <pozic> I have seen enough jerks in #ubuntu.
[20:16] <IdleOne> pozic: I need to remind you that any unacceptable behaviour from you will result in another ban and it will be more difficult to get it removed next time
[20:16] <Corey> pozic: Technical prowess takes a backseat to "able to resolve conflicts sanely."
[20:17] <pozic> Corey: unfortunately.
[20:18] <IdleOne> pozic: could you please join #ubuntu to make sure I got all relevant bans
[20:18] <pozic> Anyway, I don't think there is anything else left to discuss.
[20:18] <IdleOne> ok. have a good day. hope not to see you here again :)
[20:18] <pozic> I hope so too.
[20:19] <pozic> Good day, sir ;)
[20:41] <LjL> flametai1 has a potentially pretty serious problem in #ubuntu that i don't really know how to solve, if anyone wants to have a look
[20:42] <oCean> LjL: bug #624877 might be relevant
[20:44] <LjL> oCean: oh that might be it. however i think flametai1 was particularly unlucky to have it happen on the installation of dpkg itself... :\
[20:44] <oCean> yeah, that's a tricky situation
[20:45] <IdleOne> I say, kill and restart the install, make sure to md5 the iso.
[20:46] <rww> ouch O_O
[20:46] <LjL> IdleOne: i'm not sure he was installing Ubuntu, but updating
[20:46] <IdleOne> oh
[20:46] <IdleOne> that is different
[23:08] <ikonia> hello ubuser
[23:09] <ubuser> Enter text here...yepp
[23:09] <ikonia> right......
[23:13] <ikonia> hello ubuser
[23:14] <ubuser> hi
[23:14] <ikonia> ok, so lets try to sort this ban so you can use #ubuntu again
[23:14] <ikonia> IdleOne: if you are awake jump in
[23:14] <ubuser> plz
[23:14] <ikonia> ubuser: what happened/why did you get banned from #ubuntu
[23:14] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:14] <ubuser> the first 22 times, not really sure.
[23:15] <ikonia> ? first 22 times ?
[23:15] <ubuser> although i have been searching google and noticed that the chats show up :)
[23:15] <ubuser> yea i type fast, apparently so i get booted
[23:15] <ubuser> nevertheless, im computer illiterate so they kick me
[23:16] <ubuser> but, yay i got ubuntu 8.04 working
[23:16] <ikonia> ok - I've just read through the logs
[23:16] <ubuser> i tried the 10.04 and it had major video prollems
[23:16] <maco> typing fast shouldn't be thing, but hitting enter after every few words would set off a bot
[23:16] <ikonia> you have a bit of history in #ubuntu
[23:16] <ikonia> ubuser: there seems to be two problems here 1.) when people help you, you don't listen 2.) you are rude to people
[23:16] <ikonia> for you to get back in to #ubuntu we need that behaviour to stop
[23:17] <ubuser> dude someone said "my coke glass is hairy" and booted me.
[23:17] <ikonia> ubuser: I'm reading the logs - that's not what happened
[23:17] <ikonia> ubuser: so as I said, there are two problems
[23:17] <ikonia> the first is you don't listen to people when they are helping you
[23:17] <ikonia> we need that to stop,
[23:18] <ikonia> it wastes time in the channel for people and frustrates people
[23:18] <ikonia> they are there to help you so you need to work with them to allow them to help you
[23:18] <ubuser> i haven't helped people there either.
[23:18] <ikonia> I didn't say you had helped people, please listen to the conversation
[23:19] <ubuser> i got it, no cussing, dont say stupid thhings and what not
[23:19] <ikonia> no - that's not what I said
[23:19] <ikonia> please try to follow the conversation
[23:19] <ubuser> dont be rude
[23:19] <ubuser> and list
[23:19] <ubuser> listen
[23:19] <ikonia> the first issue is you don't listen to what people are saying (as this conversation is showing)
[23:19] <ubuser> and dont press entar alot
[23:20] <LjL> which you're doing right now
[23:20] <ubuser> i been looking for a sound fix for 4 days.
[23:20] <ikonia> we need that to stop, if someone is trying to help you, work with them, pay attention and help them to help you
[23:20] <ikonia> looking at the logs you ignore their help and just keep asking the same question over and over, which causes a problem in the channel
[23:20] <ikonia> do you understand the point I'm making ?
[23:20] <ubuser> ive done it all myself, i dont think that chatrooms gonna help me anymore than it hasnt bro
[23:21] <ikonia> ubuser: please stick with me here, and follow the conversation
[23:21] <ubuser> i have done everything they told me man
[23:21] <ubuser> it put me at no computer 4 times
[23:21] <ikonia> I'm not doubting you followed their advice, but you seemed to not follow the advice, and just ignore people
[23:22] <ikonia> as I said, work with them, give feedback, help them to help you
[23:22] <ubuser> yea, atleast half of them are cool
[23:22] <ikonia> NO !
[23:22] <ikonia> listen to what I'm saying
[23:22] <ikonia> "half of them are cool" is nothing to do with what I've just said
[23:23] <ikonia> I'll try one more time
[23:24] <ubuser> alrighty
[23:24] <ikonia> when people are helping you in the #ubuntu channel, try to listen to what they are saying, if you don't understand something, feedback that you don't understand, if it didn't work, feedback that it didn't work, if they tell you something won't work, let them help you find a solution that will
[23:25] <ikonia> do you understand what I'm saying now ?
[23:25] <ubuser> yeah
[23:25] <ikonia> ok, do you think you can agree to do that in future ?
[23:26] <ubuser> yea and hopefully someone can help
[23:26] <ikonia> ok
[23:26] <ikonia> the second problem is your language and attitude
[23:26] <ubuser> thats what i was sayin
[23:27] <ikonia> calling people names like "faggot" and telling people to "lick your balls" is totally unacceptable, and will not be tollerated in any way
[23:27] <ikonia> do you clearly understand that ?
[23:28] <ubuser> yeah
[23:28] <ikonia> ok - so if I remove the ban on you in #ubuntu, you will follow the points I have set out for you in here ?
[23:28] <ubuser> yepp
[23:29] <ikonia> ok, I will remove the ban for you
[23:29] <ubuser> ty
[23:29] <ikonia> ubuser: I have removed the ban for you, you can now join #ubuntu and ask for support
[23:29] <ubuser> although they are saying my version isnt supported
[23:29] <ubuser> so, should i try a different one?
[23:29] <ikonia> ok - then that will be a problem
[23:29] <ikonia> you need to upgrade/install a supported version
[23:29] <ubuser> i tried
[23:30] <ikonia> well, #ubuntu can help you resolve that
[23:34] <ubuser> plz keep spamming me with bots i <3 it.
[23:34] <IdleOne> ubuser: the bot is giving you information you need.
[23:34] <ubuser> i tried updating with cd's
[23:35] <ubuser> my cdrws must be scratched the only one that worked was a mini 6.10
[23:35] <ikonia> ubuser: we don't support in this channel, you should leave it now and continue the suppor tin #ubuntu


[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:11] <soee_> Hiho BluesKaj
[11:11] <BluesKaj> hey soee_
[22:40] <valorie> woah, everyone took th weekend off, not just me!


[08:19] <Fudge> hiii
[11:19] <apinel> hello! I've just installed gnome-orca and after configured it I have a problem. I can't configure it to speech
[11:20] <apinel> I think could be any dependency I haven't installed
[11:20] <apinel> If anyone can't help me, thanks :-)
[11:36] <AlanBell> hi apinel
[11:37] <AlanBell> apinel: where are you starting from? orca should be all installed by default on the standard Ubuntu
[11:37] <AlanBell> is sound in general working? (not muted etc.)
[11:38] <AlanBell> and does "spd-say hello" work
[11:38] <apinel> I going to try :)
[11:38] <apinel> sound is ok, because when I start orca preferences it talks
[11:39] <apinel> but only there
[11:39] <AlanBell> ok, maybe you don't have desktop accessibility turned on
[11:40] <AlanBell> if you go to the system settings tool, universal access preferences, and turn on the screen reader from there it should turn on accessibility, you then have to log out and back in again I think
[11:40] <apinel> thanks, now i did "spd-say hello" and works
[11:42] <apinel> oh, could be I haven't log out


 wxl: https://github.com/lxqt/libfm-qt/pull/439 - SRUable?
 Also, did we ever get that globalkeys fix cherry picked?
[00:36] <wxl> @tsimonq2: glad you saw that. i was getting to it.
[00:37] <wxl> the only thing i can saw is that there *IS* a workaround to the MTP DND
[00:37] <wxl> s/saw/say/
[00:37] <wxl> otherwise i'd say totally SRU'able
 What's the workaround again?
 I'd totally give an SRU a shot
[00:39] <wxl> copy/paste
 Maybe you can give @kc2bez a runthrough so he knows the process :)
[00:39] <wxl> not to mention `cp`
 Right
[00:39] <wxl> we still have a long list of items to do
[00:39] <wxl> i'd rather not waste efforts on an SRU unless totally necessary
 I've been meaning to ask what's on our plate
 I'd like to start making the 19.10 metatask reflect our current status
[00:40] <wxl> see the 19.10 items
[00:40] <wxl> um
[00:40] <wxl> look on the left hand side of phab XD
 Is that up to date?
[00:40] <wxl> absolutely
 I don't know that we've been doing much with that
 Okay
[00:42] <wxl> it's all automagic as long as we take care of closing the task which we should
[00:42] <wxl> re: globalkeys https://phab.lubuntu.me/D18#454
[00:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Edited shortcuts so that they don't interfere with openbox key bindings.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D18#454
 @wxl [<wxl> re: globalkeys https://phab.lubuntu.me/D18#454], No, I mean XDG config
[00:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Edited shortcuts so that they don't interfere with openbox key bindings.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D18#454],
 @wxl [<wxl> it's all automagic as long as we take care of closing the task which we sh …], Ack
 I want to sit down tonight and figure out some dates to wrap things up
 I also want to start a discussion about next cycle because it's going to be the release that everyone uses.
 I want to write the release notes more than a day before for this cycle XD
 My goal is to take off of school on the final release day (if not the whole week but that's a different discussion) and MAYBE Final Beta
 @tsimonq2 [I want to write the release notes more than a day before for this cycle XD], It'd be cool to get the Lubuntu Globalization Team up and running before these dates occur so we can have a buffer for translations
 @tsimonq2 [It'd be cool to get the Lubuntu Globalization Team up and running before these d …], no problem, we are on fire ;)
 Nice :D
[00:55] <wxl> @tsimonq2: read the comment
 Don't wait for the release, JFDI
 We've had this convo before about globalkeys :)
[00:57] <wxl> the other part is it didn't apply clean
[00:57] <wxl> so that needs some serious investigation
 Want to take a shot at manually patching it in or is this my job now? XD
[00:58] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1517
[00:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1517
[00:58] <wxl> take a look there and see if you can figure out some direction and make a comment for raman to run with
 I might JFDI and then leave a verbose comment about why I made the decisions I did
[01:03] <wxl> i think it would be a great one for him to cut his teeth on. i'd give it to him if it all possible
 I'm not at a computer yet, but it depends how complex
 If we're talking backporting 100+ lines of code (been there done that) I'll do it myself
 If it's easy, I'll describe it
[01:05] <wxl> yeah i think that's wise
 One thing we can do though is test with the unstable PPA and see if we can get a testcase down
 If the backport matches the functionality of the tip of master, we're golden
 And, in order to test the backport, the patch can be committed to Git, flow downstream to stable, and we can test the stable package prior to uploading
 Does that plan of attack make sense?
[01:06] <wxl> seems reasonable. hopefully we don't have to even go that route
 I'd like to get Dan to sponsor this one if at all possible
 Just so he gets the practice
[01:14] <wxl> @tsimonq2: word of advice: go test that xdg-settings patch and comment on github that it's good. be extensive as possible. i think that might help with convincing things
[01:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1576
[01:34] <wxl> remember you complaining about me above? perhaps that was your fault :)
[01:35] <wxl> i'd advise you to make sure you upload what you land or we run the risk of losing sight of it
 Carrying over from the other channel, the one I can think of recently is me landing that lubuntu-default-settings fix but apt-ghetto just needs to fill out the SRU paperwork
[01:35] <wxl> he did
[01:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1577
[01:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Fix DND with MTP devices] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99
 T99, so cute!
 *looks at T8xxxx on Solus dev tracker*
 Then looks at Ubuntu's and shudders
[01:55] <wxl> makes me think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKdPyIvMyEI
[01:59] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-default-settings (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.54.2 => 0.54.3] (no packageset)
[02:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1587
[05:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaa96de39847a: Style distribution updates options] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaa96de39847a
 @tsimonq2 [Does that plan of attack make sense?], Repeat it in english please.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Repeat it in english please.], 😆
 Let me know what you would like me to clarify
[06:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe5f6b326fef5: Add software sources button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe5f6b326fef5
 All of the above messages you wrote, starting from testing using unstable PPA. If you don't mind? … Also, I will be reaching hyd tomorrow and only then will be able to get my hands on the laptop. Then I will try patching the latest upstream release and building it as wxl: commented.  … Then I will try to understand and follow
 I did clarify in the task itself, does that make it any clearer?
[06:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! That's clear. But if it was the same thing you wrote here upwards, why did it sound like greek? XD
 In the task I attempted to lay it out clearly
 Some things might not sound correct to non-native speakers
 I'm a native speaker and so is Walter, so I can use specific phrases
 For example "plan of attack" isn't really talking about attacking something, it's referring to the actionable steps to get to a final result. It's used in an informal sense
 "We're golden" doesn't mean it works perfectly (or looks like gold), in this case it means that it works as intended
 You know, a bunch of those phrases I wouldn't normally throw at a non-native speaker unless they sound like they're a native speaker :)
 I guess what I'm looking to describe is connotations associated with phrases
 If you're not talking about the English but rather the process I'm describing, that's also the point of laying it out in the task ;)
 Anyway, please do let me know if you have any questions, either about the English or the technical stuff :)
[06:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yeah. I wasn't talking about phrases. I was talking about the process. But I read the comment on task. I got it.
 Cool :)
[09:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> Anyone online? I want to test something.
[09:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> On the irc.
[09:13] <kc2bez> I'm here.
[09:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> Nice. Wait a min please.
[09:14] <kc2bez> Sure.
[11:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGING53e5a5569132: Update symbols] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGING53e5a5569132
[12:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSCREENGRABPACKAGINGa96956cb420c: Fix patches] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSCREENGRABPACKAGINGa96956cb420c
[15:07] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you saw i sent you two emails?
 Yup! One had two attachments. I didn't understand why.
[15:11] <wxl> the second one is the one you want
[15:11] <wxl> it's GPG encrypted
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13rSCREENGRABPACKAGINGa96956cb420c: Fix patches  3]   15apt-ghetto …], @aptghetto whic is th eproblem with screengrab?
 It did not build from the tip of the master
 The commit is only in ci/unstable
 ok, we need to add screengran in seed, to replace lximage-qt https://github.com/lxqt/screengrab/issues/42
 @wxl [<wxl> it's GPG encrypted], Okay. So it will open from my laptop only. Right? I was trying to log in using phone.  … Lite. I will check tomorrow.
 it'll only open from a system where your GPG key is available
 so yes likely only your laptop
 unless you set up a mail app on your phone that has GPG/PGP integration
[15:50] <wxl> e.g. openkeychain
[15:50] <wxl> & since we're using email k9
 ^ that
 Ack.
[16:03] <wxl> don't mind me
[16:03] <wxl> !hash
[16:04] <wxl> !md5
[16:04] <wxl> !gpg
[20:05] <apt-ghetto> @tsimonq2 I saw the comment on the libfm-qt commit. Should I revert the last (few) commit(s)?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> @tsimonq2 I saw the comment on the libfm-qt commit. Should I revert …], Go ahead and keep it, just revise them
[20:06] <apt-ghetto> And is there any documentation about symbols? I did not found anything useful
 Heh, heh, yeah so about that...
 @RikMills might have some secret links he's been hiding
 *blames @tsimonq2*
 Otherwise it's basically all learned
[20:07] <apt-ghetto> I am adding them always manually, which is sometimes a bit hard
 We don't use their tool, but this might help too: https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/symbolfiles.html
 @RikMills might go insane without the tool...
 @tsimonq2 y u no ever clean mailbox
 *points at 32GB of crap in your mailbox*
[20:13] <apt-ghetto> Another question: I tried to fix the patches of screengrab on ci/unstable. Is there something like uscan, to download the github master as *orig.tar.xz?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Another question: I tried to fix the patches of screengrab on ci/un …], There isn't, but feel free to either grab the orig tarball from the latest build, or look at how the CI does it so you can repro locally: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/browse/master/templates/package-unstable.xml$58
 Remember when I told Hans that copyright is the worst thing about a package? Symbols are definitely a close second
 The goal of symbols is just to make sure that reverse dependencies are updated when a library removes or adds public functionality that it's reverse dependency uses
 *its
 So when you remove a symbol that exposes private functionality, you're fine and you can just go ahead with that
 When you remove a symbol that has public functionality, that's breaking ABI compatibility, and you need to make it clear in the packaging that the new state of the package breaks the old package
 In Kubuntu, we would do this by adding an "abiX" suffix to the library name, where X >=1 and is incremented each time ABI is broken
 Then, you Breaks/Replaces the old library name, and adjust reverse dependencies to depend on the new package name
 It makes sense if you see an example and can internalize why things are done the way they are
 One thing that I had a question about was this: if e.g. Eoan has a package with abi1, and the CI breaks ABI compatibility multiple times, do you just keep bumping X? The answer is no
 You only need to bump the package name to indicate ABI breakage between versions actually uploaded to the archive
 In reality, since the CI rebuilds itself once every day at minimum, and libfm-qt is only used by LXQt packages (I think), you can assume that after at most a day or two that the reverse dependencies are rebuilt against the newly-versioned ABI
 One more thing about this specific instance: libfm-qt builds started breaking on July 10th. I can tell this because it's the most recent build that migrated to the "release pocket" of the CI
 And because it's only for one release, the release in between, I'm with @RikMills in betting it's a compiler issue
 What I would personally do at this point is check the disco-changes mailing list for July 7-9th (phasing, see the SRU page for more details) and see if anything was released to updates that is related to the compiler
 If we're talking about a compiler update breaking existing symbols in a package, while in the package itself you can mark it as optional (see the Debian Qt/KDE page for more), that to me is worth chasing as a compiler regression
[20:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa5d06bc88024: Add listing installed files] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa5d06bc88024
 One other thing to note is that if we have proposed enabled for the CI builds (I forget if we do or not, but just in case) you're looking for updates that went into disco-proposed as well
 Does all of this make sense to people who are following? Specifically @aptghetto
[20:30] <apt-ghetto> Well, it does not sound wrong
 Heh :)
 @RikMills has had a lot more recent experience with symbols, so, not to put him on the spot (and I'm not saying it's his favorite thing in the world), he can help as well
[20:31] <apt-ghetto> I need some time to understand and a lot of practice
 Very much understandable
[20:31] <apt-ghetto> And I am working only on ci/unstable
 Sounds good, feel free to experiment there and with local builds :)
[20:32] <apt-ghetto> You have an idea about trojita?
[20:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcda5d25cc05b: Add lisitng upgradeable packages] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcda5d25cc05b
 If you're looking for rapid iteration on your builds, try getting a Disco schroot and setting the CI Unstable PPA as a dependency; details are in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> You have an idea about trojita?], I haven't quite looked at that
 Ohh, right, I remember this
 One of the weird architectures has a failing build
 s390x?  *shot*
 @teward001 [s390x?  *shot*], The other weird one ;)
 ppc64el?  arm64?  armel?  armhf?  i386?  amd64?  :P
 ppc64el
 good so  I just had to dump all arches and you figured out which one :stuck:
 armel? 2013 is calling, they want their arch back
 *shot*
 my helpful task today is done :)
[20:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL927ddc3d074a: Add not installed sorting filter] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL927ddc3d074a
 at least it ain't `hurd`.
[20:36] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: think of it on simpler terms. libXYZ-1 has the public symbol "int my_func_name(void)" ... later, the signature is changed to "int my_func_name(char *)" - that breaks the application's binary interface since anything that links to libXYZ-1 expects the former. So, you 'bump' the ABI to libXYZ-2 to indicate the public signature of my_func_name changed.
 wxl: how I revert the nm-connection-editor.patch?
 Anyway apt-ghetto, you have a few options here... First off, I would file a bug upstream and try your best to work with them to get a solution. If you can't do that and you're feeling up for it, I can help you get access to a ppc64el porterbox in Debian to debug. Otherwise, if all else fails, just disable building for ppc64el
[20:37] <wxl> @HMollerCl: just make a new commit that reverts the change
 @TJ- [<TJ-> apt-ghetto: think of it on simpler terms. libXYZ-1 has the public symbol " …], This
 ok, I thought there was an "undo" option
 I think wxl should write some documentation about the symbols talk we just had XD
[20:38] <wxl> not it
 @HMollerCl [ok, I thought there was an "undo" option], There's a short answer and a thorough one
 The short answer is just to comment it out in the series file, and that's what some packagers do *cough* agaida *cough* *cough*
 I would absolutely consider that half-...baked
 Otherwise, you remove the line from series and also remove the patch file completely
[20:39] <wxl> don't even suggest that jeeez
 That being said, although it is GTK, I do think that any GUI is better than no GUI
 @wxl [<wxl> don't even suggest that jeeez], It's good to note just in case anyone ever has to do merges from Debian XD
 but for instance, the changelog would have the 2 entries? the change and the revert?
 @HMollerCl [but for instance, the changelog would have the 2 entries? the change and the rev …], If the change has never been in the archive, you can remove that entry
 For all useful purposes you should consider changelog entries that have already been in the archive to be immutable
 I fix whitespace though :)
 @tsimonq2 [I fix whitespace though :)], and should get chastised for it.
[20:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbf10bf632487: Add broken filtering to show broken packages] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbf10bf632487
 :P
 ok, thanks!
 Do you know how many whitespace fixes I had to do to the pastebinit package?!?
 Oh and btw wxl, I now maintain pastebinit in Debian
[20:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T21: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#1589
[20:44] <wxl> oh yeah? ^^ check that out
 I'm going to continue poking stgraber about working on the upstream as well
 If I continue to get radio silence from him, I'll just fork it myself
 @wxl [<wxl> oh yeah? ^^ check that out], Nice!
[20:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T21: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) edited a message on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#1589
 wxl: those colur could match our openbox theme?
[20:47] <wxl> they can be any hex colors afaik
[20:47] <wxl> feel free to have at it!
[20:48] <wxl> i did the hard part, it hink, which is figuring out the fonts
[20:48] <wxl> the x11 fonts are grossssssssss
[20:48] <lynorian> those are better fibts
[20:48] <lynorian> fonts
 Hey wxl, wanna maintain pastebinit in Phab? XD
[20:48] <wxl> no
 Aww why not?
 It'll be fun!
[20:49] <wxl> arc paste works fine :)
 No, I mean, literally pastebinit upstream
[20:50] <wxl> i don't know maybe
 Perhaps we'd add that functionality to pastebinit as well ;)
[20:50] <wxl> i don't want to give ourselves more projects
 Bah
[20:50] <wxl> we've got enough
[20:50] <wxl> unlike how some people think, we can't do everything
[20:50] <wxl> and even if we could, we couldn't do anything *well*
 I'm not saying we take pastebinit over and completely overhaul the codebase
 But perhaps work on it as a more passive project
[20:51] <wxl> i'm skeptical
 Understandably
 hey wxl, @tsimonq2 lubuntu-update-notifier has the option to do cache-update + upgrade
 We coudl have a .desktop for "search for upgrade"
 should I create it?
[20:52] <wxl> yes!
 ok
[20:54] <apt-ghetto> @HMollerCl: I was looking into your code and found a lot of commented out code, in my opinion, you should either remove it, or write a comment, why this is commented out
 How many projects *do* we have right now? I know we have a lot of open tasks, but still
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> @HMollerCl: I was looking into your code and found a lot of comment …], yes, I'm cleaning it out, Thanks!
 Nice work @HMollerCl :)
[20:55] <apt-ghetto> @HMollerCl: And in the shell script you write the variable with all caps. A common convention is, that all caps is used for environment and shell variables (IFS is the only i saw). The rest should be lower or camel case
 "camel case" ?
 snake_case > CamelCase
 Er, camelCase
[20:56] <apt-ghetto> Camel case is "lowerAndUpperCase"
 ok.
 @tsimonq2 [snake_case > CamelCase], My personal opinion :P
[20:57] <apt-ghetto> But camel case is more prone to typos, so maybe only lower case
 Tsimonq2_Case
 XD
 sss_im_a_snake
[20:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb61ef8cbaa0b: Add Residual configuration to muon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb61ef8cbaa0b
[20:58] <apt-ghetto> tsimonq2: You sell us snake oil?
 HAHAHAHAHA
 question, I've seen pyflakes used as build-depends. Shoudl I use it to?
 and maybe falke8?
 example: https://git.launchpad.net/software-properties/tree/debian/control
[21:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb53752191598: Add by-status screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb53752191598
[21:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T21: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#1590
[21:03] <wxl> ^^ check that out
[21:04] <wxl> i'd be fine with a big old circle of friends
[21:05] <wxl> maybe we could get a monochrome one
[21:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALce54e2c08e0b: Add autoremovable from by status] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALce54e2c08e0b
[22:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL22a934fa7f22: Add by origin to show which are from PPAs] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL22a934fa7f22
[22:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc50a031461e3: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc50a031461e3
[23:57] <wxl> any reddit mods about?
[23:58] <wxl> i'm trying to figure out how tagging works


[06:00] <j1mc> the ubuntu manual seems to be a big hit amongst folks at uds.
[06:00] <j1mc> i've heard mark mention it several times.  (i'm not at uds...)
[06:02] <j1mc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center
[06:03] <j1mc> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-support-and-learning-center
[06:03] <j1mc> mdke: ^^


[01:45] <Unit193> hggdh: I had started talking to LoCo people, but had to leave.
[02:32] <hggdh> Unit193: no prob


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