[07:58] <Hendikins> rickard: get out of insert mode, then use it.
[07:58] <roune> rickard, : w
[07:58] <rickard> How do I get out if insert mode then?
[07:58] <boxy> rickard, esc
[07:59] <mikonan> can i have a bit of help?
[07:59] <czr> lynx, that some program might be cron, but cron is used to schedule repeating tasks, so it depends on what the scripts do really.
[07:59] <gnomefreak> roune, do you have the windows drivers for your card by chance?
[07:59] <roune> gnomefreak, well, i tought that was a later step? :D
[07:59] <boxy> JDahl, build isn't a apt-get argument?
[07:59] <gnomefreak> roune, thats an instead of step
[07:59] <roune> gnomefreak, i see.. but, i can get em
[08:00] <mikonan> I'm having a problem with my videocard, can someone help?
[08:00] <gnomefreak> roune, so you dont have to compile the tar
[08:00] <lynx> ok I understand now.  I'm still new to using Linux but I'm learning
[08:00] <roune> gnomefreak, okay Oo
[08:00] <boxy> czr, yeah ndiswrapper doesn't suppose smp bah thats flameboiant
[08:00] <mika0800> Hello, is there any way to force the Ubuntu installation program to load the 3c509 driver for my Etherlink III ISA 3c509B network card?  That would be a big help, because the installer will then make all other network-related configuration automatically. If this module is loaded with modprobe later, then I must do all network configuration manually instead (which I would like to avoid to do)
[08:00] <Ungy_> OK I got a stupid question I clicked to have my xmms main window not to show now I can;t see ti at all hwo do I make it apear again?
[08:01] <alekandr> I need someones help urgently
[08:01] <narles> anyone know how to fix sound for VLC?
[08:01] <gnomefreak> roune, now follow the instructions for windows drivers remember change /bcmw15.inf for your own file
[08:01] <czr> don't we all :-)
[08:01] <alekandr> I cant seem to get java installed for firefox 1.5
[08:01] <Ungy_> that is urgent
[08:01] <Ungy_> the world will end now
[08:02] <alekandr> oh man
[08:02] <alekandr> shut up ok :]
[08:02] <alekandr> and mind your own innit
[08:02] <alekandr> it is important, when i need to load a java based page within the hour
[08:02] <roune> gnomefreak, where is the bcmw15.inf stored, and, how do i unzip a .zip file in liniz, gunzip?
[08:02] <gnomefreak> alekandr, first they should give you more time java is slower as crap
[08:02] <narles> my sound won't work on VLC, the output says it cannot find the QDM2 codec.. anyone have a solution?
[08:02] <Ungy_> alekandr, google is yoru friend http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=602172
[08:03] <gnomefreak> roune, dont know and yes
[08:03] <made> hello all..
[08:03] <roune> gnomefreak, thanks ^^
[08:03] <gnomefreak> hi
[08:03] <gnomefreak> roune, yw
[08:03] <Ungy_> anyone know how I can make xmms appear again?
[08:03] <made> rm
[08:03] <gnomefreak> Ungy_, typing xmms in term doesnt open it?
[08:04] <Ungy_> nope
[08:04] <made> Ungy_: did you hide the main window
[08:04] <Brunellus> how do I get glxgears to print fps?
[08:04] <sampan> ungy, have you tried hitting alt-tab ... that cycles through running apps for me
[08:04] <Ungy_> made yes ;-(
[08:04] <alekandr> OH MAN, Ungy_ {kiss} for you innit :]
[08:04] <alekandr> ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /opt/firefox/plugins/
[08:04] <alekandr> how easy was tat
[08:04] <alekandr> :|
[08:04] <alekandr> that
[08:04] <made> remove and resinstall unless somebody else has another suggestion
[08:04] <Manifold> What's the default font on a Ubuntu install?
[08:04] <runxctry> so everybody, i'm having the following apparently common problem upon ubuntu startup
[08:04] <mikonan> i changed my videocard from a Raedeon 7000 to nVidia fx5200 and X won't recognize the change. How can I make it work?
[08:04] <runxctry> Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0
[08:04] <runxctry> AUDIT: Sun Oct 16 11:53:33 2005: 9573 X: client 6 rejected from local host
[08:05] <runxctry> and i've tried a number of things listed here... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76046&highlight=rejected+local+host
[08:05] <Ungy_> made is there a way to get it back or am I screwed ;-( I am stuck with some bad janisw joplin song playing
[08:05] <rickard> How do I get my printer working, now when I don't have windows anymore?
[08:05] <Rasymas> Guys, can anyone of you help me to make my mouse work on Ubuntu?
[08:05] <Brunellus> how do I get glxgears to print fps?
[08:05] <fancyydk> Hi, I have a question about Linux distros.  Copy the X11 conf file to your hard disk. Reboot, and overwite ubuntu's X11 conf file with the one made by Knoppix. Before overwriting, U might want to rename the old.
[08:07] <fancyydk> hi made, um, how about Ubuntu VS. SuSE? because I tried to use gentoo, and the compiling task takes too long... lol
[08:07] <made> Ungy_: you need to remove xmms then reinstall
[08:07] <Ungy_> rickard, it stands for common unix printing system
[08:07] <Ungy_> made seriously?
[08:07] <CanYouHelpMePlz> can somone help me edit my grub list, i want to remove all the kernels im not using, but i donot know how?
[08:07] <Ungy_> made oh that blows
[08:07] <mikonan> i changed my videocard from a Raedeon 7000 to nVidia fx5200 and X won't recognize the change. How can I make it work?
[08:07] <made> Ungy_: thats what I had to do
[08:07] <narles> my sound won't work on VLC, the output says it cannot find the QDM2 codec.. anyone have a solution?
[08:08] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell CanYouHelpMePlz about grub
[08:08] <Rasymas> thanks mika0800 for your input, but that seems too hard to understand what are you talking about. I think I'll just buy a new mouse
[08:09] <mika0800> I did exactly that on my Debian Sarge, because I could not make the XWINDOW -graphical GUI to work any other way. That worked perfectly !
[08:09] <made> fancyydk: I liked SuSe. I like gentoo.. I have been able to set up gentoo to my liking
[08:09] <made> I wasn't able to get SuSe completely to my liking
[08:09] <made> the good thing about gentoo is you will know where everything is once you get started
[08:10] <CanYouHelpMePlz> gnomefreak: that didn't help, can you tell me where the grub list is located?
[08:10] <Ungy_> Rasymas, what is the problem?
[08:10] <rickard> I got a network-printer, does that matter?
[08:10] <gnomefreak> CanYouHelpMePlz, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:10] <superslug120> can anyone tell me where to find the system requirements for ubuntu?
[08:10] <Ungy_> rickard I print ot my network printer
[08:10] <mwe> CanYouHelpMePlz: now don't forget to back it up before you mess with it
[08:10] <flogiston> is there any other terminal that can be used instead of konsole in yakuake?
[08:11] <CanYouHelpMePlz> mwe: for some reason /boot/grub/menu.lst is blank...
[08:11] <_feathery_> XPEH BAM BCEM B POT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
[08:11] <mwe> CanYouHelpMePlz: well then your system is broken and you can't boot
[08:11] <Myrtti> great
[08:11] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub
[08:11] <mika0800> superslug120: I'd like to know that too. More specifically: can I install Ubuntu with text mode console only (NO KDE/Gnome), then install X11 and IceWm manually. Probably a good idea with only 64M or even 128M RAM.
[08:12] <made> how can I hide the mounted ntfs icons on the desktop without unmounting them?
[08:12] <Ribs> mika0800: You can install ubuntu without any graphical programs.
[08:12] <Ungy_> made those aren't mounted those are gnome vfs right
[08:12] <Ribs> mika0800: just type 'server' at the CD install prompt
[08:12] <made> vfs?
[08:13] <fancyydk> thank you. I'll try gentoo when I am more familiar with the linux environment.
[08:13] <meo> hi ... is there a ubuntu ppc channel available?
[08:13] <Ungy_> awesome I love coming to a channel and hearing people tell others to try different distrobutions
[08:13] <made> fancyydk: yeah.. you need to try out the easier distros first and get a feel.. then move up
[08:13] <Rasymas> Ungy_ do you see the text I posted you in PM window?
[08:13] <Ungy_> Rasymas, nope
[08:13] <mika0800> server? Does that install some extra server daemons?  Because I really want a GUI, only I want to use IceWm instead of Gnome or KDE.... IceWm is a good choice for PC's with only a limited amount of RAM.
[08:13] <Rasymas> that's odd
[08:14] <meshe> agreed, i started out with Mandrake 7
[08:14] <Ungy_> Rasymas, unless your a registered user you cannot private message
[08:14] <Rasymas> oh...
[08:14] <Ungy_> Rasymas, and I don't have this name registered
[08:14] <rickard> LPR drivers work on Ubuntu?
[08:14] <mhs> any1 know how to fix the sound in quake3 under ubuntu ?
[08:14] <Rasymas> here's the problem I was talking about
[08:14] <Rasymas> the problem is when I start Linux the mouse pointer doesn't seem to move
 it's stuck in the middle of the screen
 the mouse is A4 Tech conected via COM1
[08:14] <mikonan> i changed my videocard from a Raedeon 7000 to nVidia fx5200 and X won't recognize the change. How can I make it work?
[08:15] <made> com1.. why
[08:15] <Ungy_> Rasymas, your connected via a com port?
[08:15] <made> I have an a4tech.
[08:15] <Rasymas> yeah i guess
[08:15] <boxy> hey czr, about my gnome taking like 10 minutes to load i relized i didnt have a entry in /etc/hosts for this comp cause i was on a diff connection for a net install does this look right? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/OPFoxH85.html (or anyone else feel free to check it)
[08:15] <made> keyboard mouse combo
[08:15] <Ungy_> Rasymas, why you connected via a com port?
[08:15] <faux> mika0800, server is the minimal installation of ubuntu, no extra server deamons. it is just poorly named.
[08:15] <Rasymas> the mouse has that wierd shape at the end of it
[08:15] <czr> boxy, depends on what your hostname is
[08:15] <mika0800> ok
[08:16] <boxy> czr ?
[08:16] <czr> boxy, if you have a hostname for which there is no forward record, gnome will take ages
[08:16] <Rasymas> like trianlg, square and inverted triangle
[08:16] <Ungy_> Rasymas, weird being it has a bunch of pin hole and is closer to a rectangele then a cirle?
[08:16] <czr> boxy, if your host ip is <IP_ADDRESS> then your hostname should be ubuntu
[08:16] <czr> boxy, then it should work. is the hosts that you showed now a new version or original version?
[08:16] <boxy> czr, how do i do that then?
[08:16] <sproingie> considering ubuntu installs stuff like EVMS that really only belongs on a server, the desktop may as well be called server
[08:16] <Rasymas> I don't know the names of shapes in English :P
[08:17] <made> I love amaroK..
[08:17] <Rasymas> my mouse is very old
[08:17] <Rasymas> made in 2002
[08:17] <boxy> czr, thats my current hosts file
[08:17] <czr> boxy, after you fixed it?
[08:17] <boxy> czr, it was lacking the entry for my comp and its still taking ages to load
[08:17] <boxy> czr, then i fixed it* but it's still taking ages*
[08:17] <Ungy_> Rasymas, you have a com mouse made in 2002?? holy hell I haven;t seen one of those made since 1997
[08:17] <czr> boxy, look at the logs then
[08:18] <Ungy_> !reconfiguring x
[08:18] <ubotu> No idea, Ungy_
[08:18] <CanYouHelpMePlz> can somone tell me how to make my SMP kernel the default for grub ?
[08:18] <czr> boxy, don't know really. gnome is a pile of evil software anyway :-)
[08:18] <boxy> czr sorry for my ignorance, but can you point to the right log?
[08:18] <Rasymas> do you have a MSN? I would draw you how does it look :)
[08:18] <Rasymas> lol
[08:18] <boxy> czr lol whats wrong w/ gnome?
[08:18] <czr> CanYouHelpMePlz, change the line which reads 'default 0' or similar
[08:18] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, is your grub list nolonger blank?
[08:18] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: yes no longer blank
[08:18] <mika0800> I have a logitech mouse purchased 1998 or 1999, and it has default PS/2 connector, but comes with adapter to convert it to a serial port mouse. So 2002 is not that  old !
[08:18] <czr> boxy, it's big and big. that's it :-)
[08:18] <czr> boxy, /var/log/messages for one
[08:18] <Ungy_> then you need to count starting with 0 the lines and choose the proper line for the default
[08:18] <Tedd|> How can I extract a .rpm file? I'm trying to install Limewire.
[08:18] <czr> or /var/log/daemon, forget know which
[08:19] <MilaNL> Can I report a bug? Ubuntu doesn't support fakeraid
[08:19] <sproingie> Tedd|: alien
[08:19] <Ungy_> mika0800, serial yes but a com port mouse?
[08:19] <made> MilaNL: lol
[08:19] <czr> MilaNL, don't try to report bugs here
[08:19] <Tedd|> sproingie: I'm afraid I don't understand. alien?
[08:19] <sproingie> !tell Tedd| about alien
[08:19] <boxy> czr messages is pretty much flooded with these two lines Jan  8 09:47:46 ubuntu kernel: [4295845.153000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[08:19] <boxy> Jan  8 09:47:46 ubuntu kernel: [4295845.153000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[08:19] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: which do i want to use?
[08:19] <MilaNL> Tedd|: Try alien
[08:19] <Rasymas> in device meanager, windows say this: on Communications Port (COM1)
[08:19] <mika0800> serial=com port (like COM1 is MS-DOS, which is /dev/TTYS0 in linux
[08:19] <Tedd|> MilaNL: Is that the only way?
[08:19] <czr> boxy, ignore those
[08:19] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686-smp root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash ?
[08:19] <MilaNL> czr: Sorry, where can I report bugs?
[08:20] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, whichever line has the kernel you want to be default
[08:20] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: and how do i know which # that is
[08:20] <czr> MilaNL, hell if I know, ubuntu works for me :--)
[08:20] <czr> not here though
[08:20] <MilaNL> Tedd|: I Don't know, it's the way i use
[08:20] <boxy> hrm
[08:20] <boxy> nothing interesting in daemon.log :-/
[08:20] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, OK you need to count startign with zero do you see anythign above that?
[08:20] <Rasymas> so, guys, any ideas how to make my mouse work on Linux?
[08:20] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: can i pastebin my list and you tell me?
[08:20] <Rasymas> Ubuntu
[08:21] <made> MalanNl: Application>System Tools> Bug Report Tool
[08:21] <swb> anyone use fluxbox?
[08:21] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: http://pastebin.com/496733
[08:21] <rickard> how do I know if my printer is a cups printer?
[08:21] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: i want to use the SMP kernel,
[08:21] <Krhis> swb, yes.
[08:21] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, ok no look do you see the line ## ## End Default Option ##
[08:21] <Krhis> I so.
[08:21] <Krhis> do*
[08:22] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: yea
[08:22] <swb> Khisanth, do you know an easy way of getting something to run when fluxbox session starts?
[08:22] <Ungy_> well after that count each title
[08:22] <swb> like gnome-settings-daemon
[08:22] <jenda> Could anyone help me rip a DVD iso image to avi?
[08:22] <narles> if i install the win32 codecs in ubuntu.. will they show up as .dll's in the folder it is extraced to?
[08:22] <swb> Khris rather
[08:22] <mika0800> I think there is a bug in 2.6 -series kernels causing misindetification of 3COM 3c509 nic cards as 3c905, which is NOT the same, and does not wirk with the same driver.
[08:22] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ok so it would be
[08:22] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: 1
[08:22] <Ungy_> starting with 0
[08:22] <Ungy_> so first is 0 second is 1 third is 2 and so on
[08:22] <narles> what default folder does VLC look for win32 codecs???
[08:23] <odat> hi everyone
[08:23] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: but it was set at 0, and it was trying to use another one?
[08:23] <odat> jenda, drip
[08:23] <mika0800> jenda: try suomiknoppix. Should do it out of the box. But that is a hard-tofind thing. MIght find it on ftp.sunet.se ftp-mirror archives
[08:23] <made> To ALL: I'm outtie.. cyall in a few hours
[08:23] <Krhis> swb, should be a ~/.fluxbox/startup script.
[08:23] <swb> I couldnt find one
[08:23] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, since you did that reinstall I told you to?
[08:23] <jenda> odat: drip segfaults on me...
[08:23] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: yea
[08:23] <jenda> mika0800: hmm
[08:24] <swb> I thought you put somethingin a .session opr .xsession file somewhere
[08:24] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, well since it is set properly I think you shouldn;t tough it at all
[08:24] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ## ## End Default Options ##
[08:24] <CanYouHelpMePlz> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-686-smp
[08:24] <odat> jenda, maybe its that modified kernel :)
[08:24] <swb> I seem to remember that from running it a few years back
[08:24] <swb> but I cant find it now
[08:24] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: thats the first one, but it tries to load another one when i boot.
[08:24] <Krhis> You might have a different setup then me.... but I have a list of things that exec in fluxbox.
[08:24] <jenda> odat: Actually, I reinstalled and everything works - it was the 686, but drip is the one thing that does not.
[08:25] <mika0800> Can someone even either confirm or deny that Ubuntu 5.10 comes with 2.6.10 kernel ?
[08:25] <Krhis> swb, http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docs/en/faq-dev.php#startup
[08:25] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: can you just look at this and tell me what # to use for default? http://pastebin.com/496733
[08:25] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, restart and tell me that is what is really happening
[08:25] <Khisanth> swb: I have used both ~/.Xsession and ~/.fluxbox/startup :)
[08:26] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ok
[08:26] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, I did look it is set properly
[08:26] <odat> jenda, did you try acidrip
[08:27] <odat> mika0800, it doesn't come with it   its an option to upgrade to it once ubuntu is installed
[08:27] <swb> Khrisanth I have neither a ~/.Xsession or ~/.fluxbox/startup, is it just a matter of creating them?
[08:27] <swb> I have a ~/.xsesssion-errors/
[08:27] <swb> -/
[08:27] <midwinter> it's 2.6.12-9.
[08:27] <Ungy_> what is the process list command again to see wht is running?
[08:27] <cmatheson_> swb: you'll have to create them, and it's ~/.xsession not .Xsession
[08:27] <fek> ps
[08:27] <mika0800> does that mean that I first install Ubuntu with 2.4 -series kernel and can the update to 2.6.10 ?
[08:27] <odat> gnome rocks!
[08:28] <fek> Ungy_: ps -aux is that what you want
[08:28] <fek> Ungy_: else man ps
[08:28] <ravn> is Ububtu a Debian derivative, and also has it got apt?
[08:28] <Ungy_> ravn yes
[08:28] <Krhis> swb, did you checkout the FAQ page that I sent you?
[08:28] <rickard> !nvidia
[08:28] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:28] <Seveas> !tell ravn about debian
[08:28] <stephen__> Hey Guys... I Think Ubuntu Rocks. I messed up and deleted the home shortcut, how do I make it agian?
[08:28] <Seveas> ravn, the link ubotu sent you tells more
[08:28] <swb> so when I create .xsession what do I have to put in it? gnome-settings-daemon &
[08:28] <swb> ?
[08:28] <TranceRiver> This is my second day on ubuntu.
[08:28] <swb> Khris, nah I missed that
[08:28] <Krhis> swb, http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docs/en/faq-dev.php#startup
[08:28] <faux> mika0800, 5.10 has the 2.6.12 kernel
[08:29] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: like i said, it's giving me error 15 file not found, because it's trying to boot a kernel which i uninstalled..
[08:29] <TranceRiver> If it's a little slow with the graphics (I'm running intergrated video card) would a video card help a bunch?
[08:29] <stephen__> TranceRiver: Yes
[08:29] <ravn> hanx
[08:29] <mika0800> faux: from the start? (meaning 2.6.10 can be installed from the installer, when 1st installing ubuntu 5.10 ?)
[08:29] <TranceRiver> What would be sufficiant?
[08:29] <swb> Khris ahh cool, simple
[08:29] <stephen__> how much u got ?
[08:29] <mika0800> 2.6.12 ???
[08:29] <TranceRiver> 60 bucks or something?
[08:29] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, reinstall that kernal then remove it again this time purge it
[08:29] <stephen__> lol
[08:29] <stephen__> 60 bux/
[08:29] <stephen__> ??
[08:30] <Krhis> ^^
[08:30] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ok how do i do all that?
[08:30] <gnomefreak> mika0800, 2.6.12-9 is the default breezy kernel not upgraded
[08:30] <TranceRiver> I think I could get a 9200 pro or something.
[08:30] <Ungy_> damn how I kill a process now that I have the process ID
[08:30] <faux> mika0800, 2.6.12 is the only kernek on the install cd
[08:30] <stephen__> LOL... 9200 ok.  What version of Ubuntu comes with 2.6.10? (either default or as an update) ?
[08:30] <gnomefreak> Ungy_, kil <number>
[08:30] <Seveas> mika0800, hoary
[08:30] <stephen__> ATI X600, Nvidia 6200
[08:30] <faux> mika0800, 5.4
[08:30] <huhn_2punkt0> OK I did a check up of my installation cd, it says me there is a coruption. Before I waste another dvd I want to ask you whether it could be that my download is corrupted. Because I started downloading the files with opera, then my pc crashed and opera download resume sucks. So I started the torrent download and placed the download I had so far in there. Azureus (bit torrent prog) did a check of the file and didn't discover an error. I could
[08:30] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: i just want to fix my grub list please...
[08:30] <stephen__> nvidia FX5600
[08:30] <Seveas> faux, that's 5.04 :)
[08:30] <huhn_2punkt0> might it be due to that downloading thing that the cd is corrupted?
[08:30] <stephen__> hey How I Create my HOME link AgiAN?
[08:31] <Bevin> how can I find which package provides a certain file?
[08:31] <faux> Seveas, ah yes, of course
[08:31] <mika0800> is Hoary = 5.04 ??
[08:31] <gnomefreak> mika0800, yes
[08:31] <Seveas> mika0800, yes
[08:31] <mika0800> And that should come with 2.6.10 ?
[08:31] <stephen__> hey How I Create my HOME link AgiAN?
[08:31] <Seveas> mika0800, yes
[08:31] <stephen__> opss no repeat sorry
[08:31] <Seveas> stephen__, 'home link'?
[08:31] <beaunewcomb> I have a serious problem on my hands
[08:31] <stephen__> thanks! that easy?
[08:31] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, your goign to have to eaitehr reinstall the kernal purge the bad boy and hope it catches it properly or manually build the list
[08:31] <beaunewcomb> and i'm hoping you guys can help
[08:31] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ok how do i build the list?
[08:32] <Seveas> stephen__, no, I was wondering what you meant with 'home link'
[08:32] <stephen__> o
[08:32] <stephen__> U know on desktop there's the folder u click to go to /home/username
[08:32] <Seveas> ah
[08:32] <huhn_2punkt0> I hate ro repeat myself
[08:32] <stephen__> I need 2 create that agian dunno how
[08:32] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, unless that smp kernel that is listed as the first option doesn't exist then there shoudln;t be a problem so I am guessing that one doesn't exist
[08:32] <Seveas> stephen__, ln -s ~ ~/Desktop/Home
[08:32] <gnomefreak> stephen__, go to places and click home that will put you in your home folder
[08:32] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: it does exist, i'm using it now
[08:33] <narles> what default folder does VLC look for win32 codecs???
[08:33] <stephen__> lol no i want on desktop
[08:33] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, then how are you geting the error?
[08:33] <mika0800> So now I need to download that hoary=5.04 to get Ubuntu with 2.6.10 kernel. Does it have 2.6.10 as default or update ?
[08:33] <stephen__> ls -s ~~/Desktop/Home where i put this?
[08:33] <Seveas> stephen__, open gconf-editor
[08:33] <stephen__> ok
[08:33] <gnomefreak> narles, did you install the codecs yet?
[08:33] <Seveas> and go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in that editor
[08:33] <Seveas> it should be obvious what to do then :)
[08:33] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: because it tries to load another kernel when it starts, not the smp one, then i select the smp and it works fine
[08:34] <narles> gnomefreak, yes.. they are in /usr/lib/win32
[08:34] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, you shoudl see your kernels listed in your boot directory
[08:34] <huhn_2punkt0> Could anybody help me? it's less a ubuntu question but more a general pc knowledge question
[08:34] <stephen__> umm
[08:34] <Seveas> huhn_2punkt0, just ask :)
[08:34] <narles> gnomefreak, they are .dll's and shit in there.. is that right?
[08:34] <Ungy_> Can ok where is this phantom kernel that it is trying to load?
[08:34] <huhn_2punkt0> OK I did a check up of my installation cd, it says me there is a coruption. Before I waste another dvd I want to ask you whether it could be that my download is corrupted. Because I started downloading the files with opera, then my pc crashed and opera download resume sucks. So I started the torrent download and placed the download I had so far in there. Azureus (bit torrent prog) did a check of the file and didn't discover an error. I could
[08:34] <stephen__> Trance cant Talk PRIVATEly sorryz
[08:34] <gnomefreak> narles, dont have them   Seveas the codecs are dlls?
[08:34] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: i donot know i uninstalled it..
[08:35] <Seveas> gnomefreak, w32codecs? yes
[08:35] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, OK when you get your list from grub right down the whole list
[08:35] <gnomefreak> oh ok i thought they would have changed in linux
[08:35] <stephen__> Yes Video card will help
[08:35] <Seveas> huhn_2punkt0, you should verify the md5sum of the iso, ubotu will send you a link
[08:35] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, so restart and write down each title you see in order and tell me which on eis highlighted
[08:35] <narles> thats what i might have thoguht
[08:35] <Seveas> !tell huhn_2punkt0 about md5
[08:35] <stephen__> Ah Seveas Help ME!
[08:35] <stephen__> I dont know
[08:35] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[08:35] <TranceRiver> Okay, sorry stephen__ .
[08:36] <huhn_2punkt0> :)
[08:36] <stephen__> no problem
[08:36] <Delvien> Did they break X yet in dapper?
[08:36] <thegladiator> when can we expect dapper release for kubuntu ?
[08:36] <gnomefreak> narles, i guess they are still dlls and it should look in the path that you posted before
[08:36] <thegladiator> hows flight 2 ?
[08:36] <Seveas> thegladiator, april 20
[08:36] <narles> gnomefreak, VLC should?
[08:36] <gnomefreak> thegladiator, buggy
[08:36] <Seveas> stephen__, did you open gconf-editor?
[08:36] <stephen__> yes
[08:36] <Seveas> did you find /apps/nautilus/desktop?
[08:36] <stephen__> yes
[08:36] <narles> gnomefreak, because i still don't get sound... terminal output says it cannot find the QDM2 codec...
[08:36] <thegladiator> thanks
[08:36] <huhn_2punkt0> sev: there's a prob, I run windows atm, so I cant use those gpg progs to check the md5
[08:36] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, OK seriously you need to give me the freakign list you see at start up you need to then compare it to the list listed in /boot/grub/menu.list
[08:37] <Seveas> stephen__, then enable 'show home icon on desktop'
[08:37] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ok.. let me reboot
[08:37] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, if they differ you have some serious problems
[08:37] <Seveas> stephen__, home_icon_visible that is
[08:37] <blood> is it sapposed to be hard to get wine for ubuntu?
[08:37] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, you may be using a different boot loader
[08:37] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell blood about wine
[08:37] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: it's grub..
[08:37] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: i see it say Grub Loading 1.5 etc
[08:37] <stephen__> umm nothing
[08:37] <Ungy_> then the lists shoudl be identical
[08:37] <stephen__> I deleted the home ICON on desktop
[08:37] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: brb
[08:37] <stephen__> I have to recreate this link
[08:37] <Delvien> thegladiator its not too bad, the only problem im having is VMware, and nautilus blowing up every now and then
[08:37] <huhn_2punkt0> Seveas
[08:38] <huhn_2punkt0> there's a prob, I run windows atm, so I cant use those gpg progs to check the md5
[08:38] <stephen__> well thanks u
[08:38] <MaxEmtSti> Problem! I have Ubuntu with 2lan cards, 1 for internet 1 for other computer running XP. The XP can resolve the address of google.com while pinging but gets no replay. And i cannot open anything from internet with the XP
[08:38] <thegladiator> Delvien, ah . i run kde so it shud be ven better
[08:38] <Ungy_> stephen__, ln -s /home/username /home/username/Desktop?
[08:38] <mika0800> where can I download that older Ubuntu: Hoary = 5.04 ?
[08:38] <Seveas> huhn_2punkt0, there are windows md5sum tools too
[08:38] <huhn_2punkt0> ok
[08:38] <Seveas> huhn_2punkt0, google and tucows are your friends :)
[08:38] <Delvien> thegladiator i found KDE very unresponsive and horribly buggy
[08:39] <gnomefreak> huhn_2punkt0,  look on downloads.com they should have a few md5sum tools i cant remember the name of it though
[08:39] <stephen__> thanks!
[08:39] <huhn_2punkt0> i'll find one, thanks.
[08:39] <Delvien> thegladiator gnome>KDE in dapper right now
[08:39] <huhn_2punkt0> :)
[08:39] <Ungy_> Delvien, flukbox > then all
[08:39] <thegladiator> yes I will switch back to gnome once I get 512 RAM
[08:39] <Delvien> Ungy_ cept Flux is ugly as hell
[08:39] <thegladiator> this RAM has few errors and seg faults problems occur frequently in gnome
[08:40] <stephen__> i out
[08:40] <gnomefreak> Delvien, there are only like 7 "boxes"
[08:40] <TranceRiver> So the 6200 nvidia will be a pretty good choice stephen__ ?
[08:40] <Ungy_> Delvien, put a bag over it's head it's still the best ride in town just don;t let your homies see you riding it
[08:40] <Delvien> gnomefreak hehe i know :P
[08:40] <somerville32> I just burned Ubuntu 5.10
[08:40] <Delvien> Ungy_ lol !!
[08:40] <somerville32> And there is two errors in my md5 check
[08:40] <MaxEmtSti> any  1 to answer me
[08:41] <somerville32> .\install\pxelinux.cfg\default (doesn't exist)
[08:41] <B_166-ER-X> i have a "temporary falure in name resolution"
[08:41] <B_166-ER-X>  at install ubuntu 5.10, whats the command to change resolution in recovery ?
[08:41] <Ungy_> MaxEmtSti, you have a crossover cable connected?
[08:41] <somerville32> .\install\netboot\pxelinux.0 (sums don't match)
[08:41] <MaxEmtSti> Ungy_, yes
[08:42] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386  root = /dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[08:42] <somerville32> B_166-ER-X: You usually get that error if you aren't connected to the internet
[08:42] <Ungy_> MaxEmtSti, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370 read this
[08:43] <B_166-ER-X> somerville32,  you sure ? i had the feeling that it was gfx related sincethe screen became buggy at install
[08:43] <MaxEmtSti> Ungy_, will check.
[08:43] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, that is the complete list of kernals listed ast the grub menu?
[08:43] <B_166-ER-X> somerville32,  on pppoe is there something to do at install ??
[08:44] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: no, it has some .9 ones, some smp ones and memtest ones also..
[08:44] <blood> how can i start to install wine for ubuntu
[08:44] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, did you right them all down and compare it to your /boot/grub/menu.list
[08:44] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: it's the same... it's trying to boot a deleted kernel
[08:45] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, the list is the same?
[08:45] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: yes
[08:45] <Ungy_> and which line is highlighted first?
[08:45] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: the one i just wrote
[08:45] <Ungy_> which was what line?
[08:46] <Ungy_> numerically counting from top first line being 0
[08:47] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: yone sec
[08:47] <eDRoaCH> the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) blah blah blah blah
[08:47] <mika0800> Hello, is there any way to force the Ubuntu installation program to load the 3c509 driver for my Etherlink III ISA 3c509B network card?  That would be a big help, because the installer will then make all other network-related configuration automatically. If this module is loaded with modprobe later, then I must do all network configuration manually instead (which I would like to avoid to do)
[08:48] <eDRoaCH> ive tried for 2 weeks with 2 cd roms, 3 burned cds, 2 video cards, and now a THIRD HD and SECOND ENTIRE COMPUTER
[08:48] <mika0800> The question is about the Hoary = 5.04 version of Ubuntu with 2.6.10 kernel
[08:48] <eDRoaCH> same fucking error every time
[08:48] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ## ## End Default Options ## do i count from there?
[08:49] <eDRoaCH> i hear this is a great os for multilingual, but its not an os at all if it wont install
[08:49] <eDRoaCH> any1 feel like telling me wth is going on?
[08:49] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, first title after that is 0  then I also need you to tell me what number it is when the grub menu appears that is highlighted
[08:49] <B_166-ER-X> what is the command to change manually the resolution (byterminal)
[08:49] <Hendikins> eDRoaCH: After that little outburst, I'm keeping my paws off it.
[08:50] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: anyway i can just get grub to re-write the list?
[08:50] <eDRoaCH> alright
[08:50] <eDRoaCH> back to fedora it is
[08:50] <eDRoaCH> that os installs
[08:50] <Hendikins> Flies, honey, vinegar.
[08:51] <ajmitch_> plenty of vinegar there
[08:51] <Hendikins> Exactly.
[08:51] <gnomefreak> he has a bad iso lol
[08:51] <gnomefreak> oh well
[08:51] <damian_> yucky fedora
[08:51] <narles> i cannot get sound with VLC.. output shows
[08:51] <narles> [00000290]  main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `QDM2'.
[08:51] <narles> VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.
[08:51] <mika0800> btw: is there any way to check in advance, what kernel version comes with each distro? Or is the only way either to install a distro and run uname -a or ask someone with that distro installed ?
[08:51] <CanYouHelpMePlz> can anyone help me with http://pastebin.com/496457 grub is trying to boot a kernel i deleted?
[08:51] <gnomefreak> damian_, agreed
[08:52] <Hendikins> I'm happy to help people when: a. They're polite, b. They've tried to help themselves, c. I'm able to. If any or all of the above are untrue, I'm not happy to help.
[08:52] <gnomefreak> mika0800, what distro do you want to know?
[08:52] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, is the kernel you deleted listed on the menu.list?
[08:52] <midwinter> mika0800, google?
[08:52] <narles> i installed gst-ffmpeg-0.8.7.. but still no luck
[08:52] <faux> mika0800, distrowatch has listings of software in different distributions
[08:52] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: not under end of default options no.
[08:52] <Hendikins> and I'm sure plenty of people in here will cringe at the thought of SuSE too
[08:52] <mika0800> So there is not a central place to look in. I read the history about DistroWatch, and they had it, but I think not any more...
[08:52] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, your screwed man dunno what the hell you did
[08:52] <gnomefreak> lol Hendikins its slow yum doesnt compare with apt other than that not really all that bad
[08:53] <tolstoy> my wireless (ipw2200) seems to get a DHCP ip address, but somehow doesn't work.  (no errors in ifconfig, etc, etc).  would an upgrade to dapper have a better chance of working?
[08:53] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: i don't think so
[08:53] <gnomefreak> mika0800, what distro do you want to know about?
[08:53] <Hendikins> gnomefreak: I had no end of trouble with FC1/2/3, on reliable not-cheap hardware
[08:53] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: here is my grub http://pastebin.com/496776
[08:53] <gnomefreak> Hendikins, 2/3 gave me issues 4 really didnt well not htat many
[08:54] <Hendikins> gnomefreak: once bitten...
[08:54] <gnomefreak> :) i know the feeling
[08:54] <MaxEmtSti> Ungy_, im Stole_mKd on that forum, can u see what my problem is there, please?
[08:54] <damian_> tolstoy: are you using network manager by any chance?
[08:54] <Hendikins> twice bitten, three times bitten...
[08:54] <Hendikins> (same goes for Mandrake/Mandriva)
[08:54] <CanYouHelpMePlz> can somone PLEASE tell me what the problem with http://pastebin.com/496776 is, grub tries to load a kernel i deleted.
[08:54] <tolstoy> damian_: yes
[08:54] <damian_> hmmm
[08:55] <gnomefreak> Hendikins, screw mandriva updates kept over writing grub
[08:55] <mika0800> I think I will test Ubuntu 5.04 for now. I am looking for any distro with 2.6.10 kernel, no older and no newer.
[08:55] <damian_> I might have the same problem as you.
[08:55] <damian_> that dhcp address...does it belong to a wired network?
[08:55] <gnomefreak> mika0800, go with ubuntu 5.10
[08:55] <Nivko|Linux> hi
[08:55] <Ungy_> CanYouHelpMePlz, ok put a # in front of the hiddenmenu and reboot and give me what is listed when it tells you to select a kernel
[08:55] <tolstoy> damian_: it's on an hp nw8240.  very frustrating.
[08:55] <Nivko|Linux> i have a question
[08:55] <Nivko|Linux> i have 2 pcs
[08:55] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: ok.
[08:55] <Nivko|Linux> a linux pc en a windows
[08:55] <damian_> cause I get a dhcp address that is totally bogus
[08:55] <mika0800> gnomefreak: and how can that be used with 2.6.10 kernel ?
[08:55] <gnomefreak> its got a 2.6.12 kernel
[08:55] <tolstoy> damian_: yeah, it think so.  my wireless ap is connected to a wired router.  has always worked before.
[08:55] <Nivko|Linux> networking from windows to linux
[08:55] <Nivko|Linux> i get a login screen
[08:55] <Hendikins> gnomefreak: I dropped Mandrake after the horrid 8.x series.
[08:55] <damian_> and it belongs to the "wired network" even though there is no cable.
[08:56] <gnomefreak> mika0800, how mandatory is it you run a 2.6.10 kernel?
[08:56] <Nivko|Linux> by user i type my account name from linux
[08:56] <damian_> oh hmm
[08:56] <Nivko|Linux> en by password my password
[08:56] <Nivko|Linux> it isn't working..
[08:56] <tolstoy> damian_: i even set my router to grant an IP based on the mac address, and that actually happens.
[08:56] <gnomefreak> Hendikins, they didnt get much better
[08:56] <tolstoy> damian_: not that it solved anything.
[08:56] <Pr0ph3t> hey guyz
[08:56] <TranceRiver> Hm, http://www.isellsurplus.com/product.asp?id=9330&c=7&s=54 that's the computer I am running Ubuntu on.  What does it mean when it says AGP NLX?
[08:56] <damian_> is the ip you get from dhcp totally off from your network?
[08:56] <Hendikins> gnomefreak: Well aware of it. At least SuSE hasn't given me headaches.
[08:56] <gnomefreak> i guess im kind of confused at what a 2.6.10 can give you that 2.6.12 cant
[08:56] <Pr0ph3t> to fix my mbr, boot, what I have to do ?
[08:56] <TranceRiver> I't's a little slow with dragging and such.
[08:57] <tolstoy> damian_: compiling the latest drivers from scratch didn't work, and it's not easy.  requires you to comment out kernel header lines, etc.  not too portable.
[08:57] <TranceRiver> I'm going to try to get a graphics card, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:57] <mika0800> very. Older than that may not support things like USB-IrDA -adapters (like Actisys IR-4000U or xtech's cheap one). And newer than 2.6.10 will break Borland Kylix IDE's integrated debugger. So no choice here.
[08:57] <tolstoy> damian_: no, it's a valid ip.
[08:57] <damian_> oh
[08:57] <Nivko> hi
[08:57] <damian_> but it just doesn't work?
[08:57] <Nivko> can somone help me with my problem?
[08:57] <Ungy_> MaxEmtSti, I have never done it personally so I am not a good person to ask
[08:57] <gnomefreak> mika0800, 2.6.12 should support 2.6.10 drivers
[08:57] <tolstoy> damian_: right.  I even sent pings, things bling, but it says the host is unreachable.
[08:58] <damian_> did you try connecting with gnome's network interface?
[08:58] <tolstoy> damian_: I even checked route -n.  looks good.  looks just like my working laptop.
[08:58] <damian_> it could be a network manager issue.
[08:58] <tolstoy> damian_: yes.  still no go.
[08:58] <MaxEmtSti> Ungy_, thx anyway
[08:58] <Nivko> Can somone help me with my problem: I have a windows and linux pc if i networking from the windows one to the linux i get a login screen i fill in the account info and i press enter but it isn't working..
[08:58] <damian_> bummer.
[08:58] <tolstoy> damian_: I can't even get the ndiswrapper stuff to work either: dll.HAL symbol unknown, or something like that.
[08:58] <TranceRiver> I cannot figure out what NLX means.
[08:58] <mika0800> The first thing I want to do is confirm that Kylix IDE and it's integrated debugger indeed run with no problems eith 2.6.10 kernel. If so, that's a good kernel for me. I am currently running Debi9an sarge with 2.4.27.
[08:58] <damian_> why do you need ndiswrapper?
[08:59] <damian_> if you have ipw2200
[08:59] <Pygi> freaky: ping
[08:59] <Nivko> can somone help me?
[08:59] <Nivko> ..
[08:59] <tolstoy> damian_: because I'm at a total loss and will try anything. ;)
[08:59] <tolstoy> damian_: thinking of trying dapper.  if that doesn't work, then fc4.
[08:59] <Nivko> Can somone help me with my problem: I have a windows and linux pc if i networking from the windows one to the linux i get a login screen i fill in the account info and i press enter but it isn't working..
[09:00] <damian_> oh ok, but it won't work with ndiswrapper I dont think.
[09:00] <Nivko> Can somone help me with my problem: I have a windows and linux pc if i networking from the windows one to the linux i get a login screen i fill in the account info and i press enter but it isn't working..
[09:00] <Pygi> tolstoy: no, not dapper just yet :/
[09:00] <Eleaf> hi
[09:00] <Pygi> Nivko: WAIT
[09:00] <tolstoy> damian_: right.
[09:00] <Pygi> !patience
[09:00] <ubotu> There are a lot of questions, but only few who might answer you. Please be patient.
[09:00] <Nivko> ok..
[09:00] <mika0800> Nivko: first thing to chech: if U have a software firewall on the Windows system, check that it is not blocking your LAN networking
[09:00] <tolstoy> Pygi: why not?  something particularly broken?
[09:00] <Nivko> nope it isnt blocking
[09:00] <Nivko> iam net working with 2 other pcs...
[09:00] <Pygi> tolstoy: well the packages are mostly broken....
[09:01] <Nivko> (windows pc's)
[09:01] <Pygi> tolstoy: and some other things as well
[09:01] <Pygi> tolstoy: but if you know what you are doing, you *could* fix it
[09:01] <tolstoy> Pygi: alas!  normally i would think it's too early for dapper for me, but, shit.  I'm desperate!  I wants me wireless! ;)
[09:01] <Nivko> so can somone help me?
[09:02] <Pygi> tolstoy: huh, what seems to be the issue with wireless?
[09:02] <mika0800> the other thing is checking that samba is correctly configured.  Win2000 and later gives U the option "login with another userid" or something like that
[09:02] <Nivko> Winxp
[09:02] <Nivko> i have
[09:02] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Ungy_: i fixed it my self, thanks for the help
[09:02] <beaunewcomb> I have a 120gb HD split into 3 partitions.... 1st swap, second linux, 3rd personal files, documents, pictures, etc.  I installed Ubuntu a month ago to the 2nd partition. this morning I reinstalled windows XP and deleted the first two partitions and created 1 new one before my personal files partition.  I installed XP on the first partition.  I get into XP and now I can't see the second partition in My Computer.  Disk Managemen
[09:02] <Pygi> !enter
[09:02] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[09:03] <Nivko> I have WinXP*
[09:03] <gnomefreak> Nivko, im sorry to hear that
[09:03] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Nivko: likewise
[09:03] <mikul> harriet blir aldrig sur
[09:03] <tolstoy> Pygi: the driver loads, i get an IP from the AP, and when I ping, there are no errors via ifconfig.  however, "host unreachable" no matter what command I run.  so, "host google.com" takes a long time, then "host unreachable".  Maybe a time out or something?
[09:03] <CanYouHelpMePlz> how do i get programs to auto start with ubuntu again, i forget?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> i have it somewhere too  i think under all my linux cds :)
[09:04] <__null__> CanYouHelpMePlz, add them in gnome-session
[09:04] <Pygi> tolstoy: wrong DNS setting
[09:04] <beaunewcomb> We won't start a linux vs xp war here... I still run linux on another box
[09:04] <mika0800> beaunewcomb: a good advice: if U have windows/linux dual(or triple) boot, install GRUB in the linux /boot -partition, NOT into MBR. Only if Linux is the only operating system in a PC, then install GRUB into MBR
[09:04] <beaunewcomb> i really need help getting access to this partition
[09:04] <tolstoy> Pygi: but it's the same setting as my other laptop, and if I ping an IP address, I get the same thing.
[09:04] <CanYouHelpMePlz> __null__: an wheres that at?
[09:04] <Nivko> if somone have a other reason why it isn't working please mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:04] <Nivko> i must go now
[09:04] <Nivko> bye
[09:04] <Pygi> gnomefreak: lol, you should see the CVS of Firefox :DDDD
[09:04] <__null__> can-o-worms, system -> preferences -> session
[09:05] <gnomefreak> mika0800, i have grub on my mbr with win2k and ubuntu
[09:05] <Pygi> tolstoy: and it works on laptop?
[09:05] <beaunewcomb> No, i want to access this partition from within windows
[09:05] <CanYouHelpMePlz> __null__: got it thanks
[09:05] <garyc> what is the website for pasting
[09:05] <beaunewcomb> no, i NEED to access this partition from within windows. :)
[09:05] <tolstoy> Pygi: my other laptop works fine.  network-manager has it all figured out.
[09:05] <gnomefreak> most people put grub on mbr
[09:05] <Falstius> beaunewcomb: install ext3fs drivers for windows ...
[09:05] <tolstoy> Pygi: my other laptop uses some sort of orinoco driver I have to compile myself when the kernel updates, but it works.
[09:05] <mika0800> gnomefreak. yes, if U do it in a particular order, it will work. But what happens if U need to reinstall Win2k ?
[09:06] <beaunewcomb> !ext3fs drivers
[09:06] <ubotu> beaunewcomb: No idea
[09:06] <Pygi> tolstoy: well, have you done this at this one as well?
[09:06] <Pygi> freaky: try firefox 1.6a1 :DD
[09:06] <gnomefreak> mika0800, depends in win2k on my first hard drive or sencond?
[09:06] <gnomefreak> Pygi, for linux?
[09:06] <Pygi> freaky: yup
[09:07] <gnomefreak> Pygi, does it work?
[09:07] <tolstoy> Pygi: I tried it, but it didn't work.  I might try it again, but, oy.  It's QUITE a process, and the various make installs don't put things in the right place.  I'd hate to have to do that every time a new kernel update comes down from ubuntu.
[09:07] <Pygi> freaky: yes, ofcourse :)))
[09:07] <Pygi> tolstoy: huh, true :/
[09:07] <mika0800> most installers default to putting grub in MBR. And, if linux is the only operating system, then MBR is the right choice. But on dualboot systems I  would put it in /boot -partition of linux. I have done this on several PC's and no problem so far. And I am then free to reinstall either windows or linux if I want to.
[09:07] <Pygi> and your other laptop uses what distro?
[09:07] <tolstoy> Pygi: so I was hoping that, somehow, dapper would be a bit more mature in this respect.  but if it's too broken even for hackwork, then, eh.
[09:07] <gnomefreak> Pygi, lol ill try it on win first i dont care if i break that :))
[09:07] <tolstoy> Pygi: breezy.
[09:08] <Pygi> tolstoy: well, you can use dapper if you want....but expect problems
[09:08] <garyc> can someone help me with this opera problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6816
[09:08] <Pygi> garyc: #opera
[09:08] <bloodless> i've downloaded hsfmodem_<IP_ADDRESS>full_k2.6.12_9_386_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip
[09:08] <tolstoy> Pygi: yeah.  i might try it before wiping and trying fedora, just to see if there's some subtle difference.
[09:08] <CanYouHelpMePlz>
[09:08] <bloodless> how can i install my modem drivers?
[09:08] <mika0800> Oh, and I hate installers which try not to give me the choice... like if they knew better than me where to put the GRUB...
[09:09] <Pygi> tolstoy: huh, not fedora :/ rather if you know what you are doing try it on slackware
[09:09] <tolstoy> Pygi: why slackware (and do they have a one CD install?)
[09:10] <TranceRiver> Do you think a NLX AGP card 16mb would be better than a PCI 16mb card?
[09:10] <TranceRiver> Anyone, that is*
[09:10] <derek_djons> Hi... can anyone help me with a small problem? I'm able to access the network folder and browse to the files on a other computer (samba). But I can't drag the songs into banshee on this pc. How can I add them otherwise?
[09:10] <Pygi> tolstoy: yup, and because on slackware I can help you whatever you want :)
[09:10] <holotone> My laptop has a HDD with two NTFS partitions, one 14GB, one 40GB for storage. I want to turn this XP machine into a dualboot w/ Ubuntu. Would it be safe to just back up the first (14GB partition), wipe it, and do the dual boot install, and not worry about backing up the data partition?
[09:10] <Pygi> !patience
[09:10] <ubotu> There are a lot of questions, but only few who might answer you. Please be patient.
[09:10] <garyc> if there is anyone on here that can help me, i will gladly go to another window
[09:10] <Pygi> anyone out here testing ff1.6a1?
[09:10] <tolstoy> Pygi: hm. four cds.  I wonder if they have a DVD install.
[09:11] <bloodless> let me know how to install modem drivers in ubuntu
[09:11] <gnomefreak> i will be for win shortly :)
[09:11] <Falstius> holotone, probably but there's no guarantee.  Especially if you're inexperienced.
[09:11] <bloodless> i just move from suse to ubuntu
[09:11] <Ungy_> derek_djons, do a true mount
[09:11] <holotone> Crap.
[09:11] <holotone> Ok, then.
[09:11] <Nekomages> having some issues trying to plug my laptop into the tv via the svid port, mainly just nothings showing up on the tv
[09:11] <Pygi> tolstoy: you can use just 1-st one
[09:11] <Pygi> gnomefreak: it works on linux, don't worry "{
[09:12] <bloodless> how can i install .deb file
[09:12] <Pygi> :P
[09:12] <bloodless> ?
[09:12] <tolstoy> Pygi: okay.  well, this will take most of today.  thanks.
[09:12] <beaunewcomb> who can point me in the right direction to download the ext3fs file system drivers for windows XP?
[09:12] <Ungy_> holotone, yes I did somethign similar but I know what I am doign ;-)
[09:12] <Pygi> sudo dpkg -i  package.deb
[09:12] <holotone> How about reccomendations for how I should partition this drive if it was wiped clean? It's 60GB, and I want XP and Ubuntu dualbooted. What size should I make each partition, and what filesystems?
[09:12] <garyc> where can i find the config file with LD_PRELOAD
[09:12] <TranceRiver> Has anyone heard of NLX AGP?
[09:12] <bloodless> Ok
[09:12] <mika0800> U might try sysinternals.com for linux fs drivers for Windows. But no guarantees!
[09:13] <butcherbird> holotone: if u want to write to you xp partitiion in ubuntu i would install xp as fat32 not ntfs
[09:13] <Falstius> holotone, I've been using an ext3fs driver in windows xp very succesfully.
[09:13] <Pygi> away
[09:13] <Ungy_> holotone, ok if you want the files accessible on the data drive from bth machines you ned to make that fat32
[09:13] <holotone> an ext3fs driver would allow win* to write to the linux partition, right?
[09:13] <Falstius> so I have my /home partition in linux ext3 and mount it in both, the windows partition ntfs and the linux reiserfs.
[09:13] <midwinter> holotone, yeah.
[09:13] <Zubzub> how do I open my terminal, it doesn't show at the "start" menu
[09:14] <Ungy_> midwinter, you can mount ext3fs from winnt?
[09:14] <mika0800> Falstius: where did U get extfs drivers for windows? sysinternals? Or somewhere else ???
[09:14] <bloodless> i install ubuntu 5.10 30 mins ago but now on xp
[09:14] <B_166-ER-X> is there a reason for a video bug, in the install of ubuntu ? video cart nvidia 6600 Gt , at install / first boot, the screen become are ***'up
[09:14] <Falstius> mika0800: I'm afraid I don't remember.  I found them while playing with BartPE.
[09:14] <holotone> So, maybe the Win OS partition as NTFS, and a data drive as FAT32?
[09:15] <Rasymas> guys, it's me again
[09:15] <derek_djons> Ungy_, thnx... I'll have a try
[09:15] <midwinter> Ungy_: yes - http://www.fs-driver.org/ (there's a few others, I don't use this one)
[09:15] <bloodless> i try to play audio file, but it gives me a error some thing cannot stream
[09:15] <blood> Can i play a game from windows drive while running linux?
[09:15] <Zubzub> how do I open my terminal, it doesn't show at the "start" menu as said in the documentation
[09:15] <Mr_Molez> is there a program on ubuntu to configure network ?
[09:15] <holotone> Would that make sense? That way I could access all the data, since it's on a FAT drive, but all the WinOS apps and shit are on an NTFS partition for stability..
[09:15] <ubuntu_> Zubzub, applications - accessories - terminal
[09:15] <Rasymas> Anyone wants to tell me how to make my mouse work :) The problem is that it's not moving
[09:16] <Zubzub> yes I know, but it doesn't show
[09:16] <beaunewcomb> mika I found it
[09:16] <Falstius> holotone: that's a common way to do things.
[09:16] <bloodless> you might have serial mouse
[09:16] <Falstius> but you can't install linux on fat32.
[09:16] <holotone> ok, cool.
[09:16] <blood> Can i play a game from windows drive while running linux? (wine)?
[09:16] <Rasymas> maybe, any solutions?
[09:16] <Mr_Molez> Rasymas: You may need to add it to xorg config
[09:16] <mika0800> Just wondering: if I want to burn a DVD-R on Win98, and do it from a 4,7 GB image file... should I: a) install ext3fs drivers for windows and use a local HD or b) burn from a network drive ( 100 Mbps ethernet, linux samba server )
[09:16] <Zubzub> is there some kind of shortcut key combination to acces the terminal?
[09:16] <holotone> Sure, what I mean is: WinOS=NTFS, UbuntuOS=Whatever Linux uses as a FS, and data partition=FAT32
[09:16] <garyc> where is the config file with LD_PRELOAD
[09:16] <woodgrain> i'm trying to install a new pkg -- but synaptic thinks something else I want to keep is broken and is trying to remove it!
[09:16] <bloodless> blod, i'm not sure but you can try because i try only one time its work
[09:17] <Rasymas> Mr_Molez, how to access that one?
[09:17] <MaxEmtSti> how about to share a internet connection through a Proxy server. I have linux Pc connected to internet and XP connected to the linux,whic program to use?
[09:17] <garyc> where is the config file with LD_PRELOAD and OPERA_FORCE_JAVA_ENABLED
[09:17] <Mr_Molez> Rasymas: what type of mouse is it ?
[09:17] <woodgrain> how do I keep this 'broken' package?
[09:17] <mika0800> Rasymas, boot your PC with a Knoppix CD... dows your mouse work then?
[09:17] <garyc> where is the config file with LD_PRELOAD and OPERA_FORCE_JAVA_ENABLED ????????????????
[09:17] <Seveas> garyc: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:17] <blood> so how would i go about finding my c: from linux?
[09:17] <robotgeek> garyc: we heard you the first time
[09:17] <Mr_Molez> woodgrain: got it working. had to upgrade to dapper :)
[09:18] <woodgrain> Mr_Molez,  good!
[09:18] <Zubzub> ubuntu_, is there a key combination to acces the terminal?
[09:18] <blood> so how would i go about finding my c: (window drive) from linux?
[09:18] <bloodless> how can i make a dialup connection establish
[09:18] <woodgrain> synaptic thinks a pkg is broken that's not --> how do I overide 'remove' in synaptic?
[09:18] <MaxEmtSti> any 1 to answer
[09:18] <garyc> im sure people know where the location of LD_PRELOAD because its a very important part of linux and they are unwilling to help
[09:18] <mika0800> blood: try this (as superuser): fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:18] <Seveas> !tell blood about windowsdrives
[09:18] <Mr_Molez> blood: is it in /media or /mnt ? or /windows ?
[09:18] <butcherbird> bood 'sudo fdisk -l' will show paritions
[09:18] <woodgrain> !dapper
[09:19] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. It's going to be released on April 20, 2006. Not before. Use at your _own_ risk before the release date.
[09:19] <mika0800> and then, use mount (and possibly edit /etc/fstab )
[09:19] <Seveas> mika0800, there are tools that make that unneccessary :)
[09:19] <garyc> this is a place to show off to your friends, not a place to help others
[09:19] <ubuntu_> i have no idea, im a newbie, you can probably get the icon back in the menu by using that add applications feature though
[09:19] <blood> i want wow to run using wine
[09:20] <gnomefreak> ubuntu_ use menu editer in system tools
[09:20] <bloodless> how to create a dialup connnection on Ubuntu
[09:20] <blood> i want to know if i can run in through the swap? or how to do that
[09:20] <mika0800> do those tools work on on Ubuntu?  Wine is an emulator, and as such takes quite a bit more processor power to run.
[09:20] <Mr_Molez> is there a program on ubuntu to configure the network ???
[09:20] <braniff> how do i connect to windows xp shares that are part of a *workgroup* and not a domain in breezy ??
[09:20] <gnomefreak> Mr_Molez, yes look under networking?
[09:21] <Seveas> Mr_Milenko, ifconfig :)
[09:21] <blood> i have a 3.2 pent 4
[09:21] <bloodless> let me know, if any body can help me out.
[09:21] <gnomefreak> bloodless,  smae place
[09:21] <gnomefreak> same*
[09:21] <bloodless> aight!
[09:21] <Mr_Molez> gnomefreak: i need a program that doesnt need gnome or kde..
[09:21] <mika0800> I tried to play Windows Space Cadet with Wine. The game starts, but is next to unusable. Fonts are screwed, no sound, and the ball moves very in a very jumpy way...
[09:21] <woodgrain> I can't unmark in synaptic -- synaptic is trying to remove 'broken' pkg but I can stop it!!!
[09:21] <gnomefreak> Mr_Molez, than as Seveas  said ifconfig
[09:22] <Mr_Molez> aww i was hoping i would not have to do ifconfig :(( ok thanks
[09:22] <bloodless> some body told me a command, its correct ... sudo dpkg -i modemconxant.deb
[09:22] <bloodless> ?
[09:23] <TranceRiver> Hmm...., so no one knows what AGP NLX is?
[09:23] <blood> so my drive is 'dev/sda1' how do i search it
[09:23] <gnomefreak> that command looks like it will install that .deb but i dont know what that deb is
[09:23] <bungle> how can i upgrade to firefox 1.5?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> !ff1.5
[09:23] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:24] <bloodless> this is the deb file name hsfmodem_<IP_ADDRESS>full_k2.6.12_9_386_ubuntu_i386.deb
[09:24] <rickard> How do I play divx movies in ubuntu?
[09:24] <blood> with vlc
[09:24] <blood> if u can work it
[09:24] <mika0800> blood: mount it as /mnt/usbstick1 (create that dir 1st). then use mc to search. (warning: if it is a big disk device and the PC has little RAM, U might run into problems...)
[09:24] <thegladiator> rickard, see restricted formats
[09:24] <gnomefreak> bloodless, tha command with that deb there should install that deb but if you have to configure it after that is beyond me
[09:25] <thegladiator> !restrictedformats
[09:25] <ubotu> well, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:25] <rickard> is there any program in sunaptic that can play divx?
[09:25] <MaxEmtSti> what program to use as a proxy server that runs (or has) support for both Linux and XP
[09:25] <bloodless> Ok
[09:25] <gnomefreak> rickard, see above post by ubotu
[09:25] <blood> how do i mount in the terminal?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> !mount
[09:25] <ubotu> methinks mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[09:26] <jawshoewah> when setting up evolution does password enter next to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:26] <blood> sweet
[09:26] <powderfinger> !help
[09:26] <mika0800> try for ex. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick1 ...
[09:26] <blood> sudo?
[09:27] <mika0800> add -t auto option right after mount if that does not work
[09:28] <mika0800> yes, in Ubuntu U need sudo....
[09:28] <ZarathustraDK> Anyone know of THE ati-driver-installation-guide-and-troubleshooting-blablabla? I've spend the whole day trying to figure it out...
[09:28] <jawshoewah> nevermind I got it
[09:29] <Seveas> !ati
[09:29] <ubotu> ati is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[09:29] <ZarathustraDK> tried it, didn't work...
[09:30] <braniff> how do i connect to a windows xp share from breezy ?
[09:31] <shinobi319> hey, i just installed ubuntu on one of my computers and i want to wipe the drive and install windows xp...but when the xp setup loads it says no hard drive is found. what can i do?
[09:31] <TranceRiver> When I'm in terminal, I type in a command and then it asks for password and when I try to enter it, my keyboard will not work.
[09:31] <butcherbird> braniff: search for samba at wiki.ubuntu.com sorry dont know exact link
[09:31] <braniff> ok
[09:31] <yatesy> TranceRiver: sure? remember unix does not echo passwords to you
[09:31] <wb> there is no * echo when you enter pwd
[09:32] <butcherbird> braniff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:32] <TranceRiver> 'echo passwords'?
[09:33] <woodgrain> how do I unzip a tar.bz2?
[09:33] <shinobi319> does anyone know how to wipe a hard drive with ubuntu on it so i can install windows xp?
[09:33] <freak_> tar command
[09:33] <wb> tar xfvj xyz.tar.bz2
[09:34] <thegladiator> shinobi319: just format it using windows format . caution : do it at ur own risk
[09:34] <freak_> shinobi319, WinXP can reformat and repartition
[09:34] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, the xp cd will do it for you
[09:34] <boxy> Can someone post their sources.list? mine got screwed up when i updated my kernel and i need to fix that so i can install my nvidia drivers
[09:34] <gnomefreak> ive been using tar xvfz foo.tar.gz :(
[09:34] <freak_> anyone in here experienced with fluxbox?
[09:34] <woodgrain> wb, how come no '-' before the xfvj?
[09:35] <gnomefreak> !compile
[09:35] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[09:35] <tolstoy> Pygi: when you say dapper has broken packages, how broken is it?  broken for a newbie plain old user?  or broken as in you can't log in and work around things via, say, the command line?
[09:35] <Rogerio> Buenas
[09:35] <shinobi319> when i try to install Windows XP it says that no hard drive was found...i tried it 3 times and it always says the same thing
[09:35] <gnomefreak> tolstoy, not for newbie
[09:36] <gnomefreak> tolstoy, install dapper if you dont mind losing everything on that hard drive
[09:36] <thegladiator> shinobi319: format ? didnt work ?
[09:36] <powderfinger> shinobi Why are you here?
[09:36] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, did you delete the partions?
[09:36] <thegladiator> shinobi319: get into DOS prompt and format it and then you can ...
[09:36] <thegladiator> powderfinger: he is using ubuntu atm
[09:37] <tolstoy> gnomefreak: hah!  i've run the devel trees before, but usually only a month or so before release.  never lost a drive.  wow.  lot o things changing, eh?
[09:37] <shinobi319> alright ill try that
[09:37] <shinobi319> thanks
[09:37] <gnomefreak> tolstoy, its not in beta form yet
[09:37] <psusi> shinobi319, if windows says no hard drives found, then it can't see your hardware
[09:37] <gnomefreak> its in alpha
[09:37] <mika0800> linux fdisk or cfdisk will enable U to delete all pertitions if that is what U really want...
[09:37] <tolstoy> gnomefreak: okay.
[09:37] <shinobi319> i know but i already have ubuntu installed on it
[09:37] <psusi> shinobi319, so?  what's that got to do with windows?
[09:37] <shinobi319> i know the hard drive works, but now windows setup cant see it
[09:38] <Thoriolo> i have a noname NIC with a RealTek 8139 chip on it that works fine normally, but for some reason i just cant get the network up and running in ubuntu, anyone have any ideas?
[09:38] <psusi> shinobi319, do you have any kind of special drives?  or just plain ide?
[09:38] <freak_> if you're getting rid of ubuntu you're a traitor shinobi
[09:38] <MonsieurBon> hello
[09:38] <gnomefreak> special drives? like sata?
[09:38] <psusi> shinobi319, windows should see the drive and just show there are unknown partitions on it... if not, it doesn't work with your hardware
[09:38] <boxy> gnomefreak would you mind posting your sources.list on nopaste please?
[09:38] <shinobi319> yea its sata
[09:38] <psusi> gnomefreak, or sata (fake)raid
[09:38] <butcherbird> !easysources
[09:38] <MonsieurBon> does anybody know about musicbrianz? Is there an alternative to amarok, where I don't have to install kde?
[09:38] <ubotu> butcherbird: Are you smoking crack?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> boxy, first why 2nd what is nopaste
[09:38] <mika0800> how about dd'ing from /dev/zero to /dev/hda into MBR 512 bytes of zeros. That will appear to WinXP's installer as a HD in a factory condition (no data)
[09:38] <butcherbird> eh?
[09:39] <shinobi319> i would definately use ubuntu if i understood it
[09:39] <freak_> RAID is useless unless you run a server
[09:39] <shinobi319> i have no one to teach me and ive spent hours trying to install the wireless card
[09:39] <lucasvo> freak_: no it isn't
[09:39] <psusi> shinobi319, then it sounds like windows doens't have a driver that can talk to your hardware... you'll have to find a windows driver disk
[09:39] <zarbel> Hello
[09:39] <boxy> cause mine is goofed up and i need to install my nvidia drivers cause i dont have the right repos and nopaste is a website for pasting like code and text etc google nopaste it'll be the first link
[09:39] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell boxy about easysource
[09:39] <freak_> lucasvo, it is if its just a home PC or a gaming PC
[09:39] <boxy> gnome im in the console ;P
[09:39] <psusi> mika0800, from the sound of it, window doesn't see the drive at all... what partitions are on it doesn't matter
[09:39] <TranceRiver> When I put ' sudo apt-get install libstdc++5' into terminal, it asks for a password.  I try giving it a password, but it doesn't do anything.
[09:39] <trkorecky> If I would set my Windows machine to dual-boot with Ubuntu, then later decide to remove Linux, how does one go about removing the boot loader?  Is the process easy?
[09:40] <TranceRiver> It doesn't accept my key inputs.
[09:40] <boxy> ill try it in links though
[09:40] <psusi> freak_, most definately not... I run a raid0 for speed
[09:40] <psusi> speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!
[09:40] <gnomefreak> ah ok hold on let me see if i can find this
[09:40] <shinobi319> all of the cds that came with the hardware dont have linux drivers on them and i dont understand the "makefile" kernel process
[09:40] <thegladiator> can someone suggest a nice font ?
[09:40] <lucasvo> freak_: RAID1 is quite reasonable
[09:40] <lucasvo> no need to daily backup
[09:40] <thegladiator> legible and good looking
[09:40] <lostblur> i have a LAN set up with 2 pcs and a NAS, the Ubuntu pc is able to see the NAS and the WINXP laptop just fine. i have set up one of the mounted HDs to be a SHared folder in Ubuntu, but the winxp laptop does not see it, what could be the problem?
[09:40] <blood> is there a way i can have the adress of the folder im in to copy/paste the (adress bar in windows)
[09:40] <psusi> to give you some idea of what kind of speed.... my system takes 20 seconds to boot to desktop login
[09:40] <freak_> well, if i lose a hard drive, i'll just buy a new one and beat my games over again
[09:41] <pinkisntwell> what is the daemon that checks the repos and notifies you of any updates?
[09:41] <lostblur> blood: CTRL +L
[09:41] <Ungy_> blood you mean copy from destop to remote desktop?
[09:41] <mika0800> trkorecky: if U do as I adviced and install GRUB into the /boot -partition and NOT into the MBR, deleting linux is auper-easy: just run Windows's FDISK and set the active partition to C:
[09:41] <boxy> thanks gnomefreak ill give this a try
[09:41] <psusi> lucasvo, raid1 only protects from hard drive failure, not deleting or overwriting important data ;)
[09:41] <freak_> anyone here have experience with FluxBox on Ubuntu???
[09:41] <lostblur> is that what you meant?
[09:41] <jean> anyone got sound working for powerpoint presentations in openoffice impress
[09:41] <lucasvo> psusi: yeah, but as i said less need to backup
[09:41] <zarbel> Hello i'm searching for french people :) i've just install ubuntu...
[09:42] <midwinter> !fr
[09:42] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[09:42] <jean> is power point .ppt supposed to have sound included?
[09:42] <psusi> lucasvo, for a server that needs to stay up, raid1 is good... for soho or home use, I'd go with rsync snapshot backups to the second drive... provides protection against messing up files
[09:42] <boxy> gnomefreak do you know what i need to add to my sources.list so i can apt-get nvidia-kernel?
[09:42] <freak_> so no fluxbox users in here? i feel so alone :(
[09:42] <trkorecky> mika0800: I already have Windows installed.  If I would make a new partition and install Ubuntu there, all I need to do is install the boot loader into /boot and everything should work?  And to remove, I just delete the Linux partitions and extend my Windows one?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> hold on i have mine pasted
[09:43] <jean> trkorecky: yes but windows must be removed completely
[09:43] <trkorecky> psusi: Raid 0+1 for servers has speed and backup capabilities
[09:43] <trkorecky> jean: Why must I remove Windows?
[09:43] <mika0800> yes. And of course, set the active partition to be linux's /boot when installing linux. Set it back to C: when deleting linux
[09:43] <psusi> trkorecky, raid5 is better imho... more usable space
[09:43] <jean> trkorecky: just a joke
[09:43] <jean> :>
[09:43] <psusi> trkorecky, and faster
[09:43] <CentHOGG> hi, anybody here do wireless ubuntu ppc?
[09:44] <topyli> where can i find an example devilspie config file?
[09:44] <mika0800> Partition Magic is a good tool to have. But if U don't, U might try Linux's QtParted.. .maybe it works 4 U... I did not get it to work properly (using Knoppix from CD)
[09:44] <trkorecky> mika0800: What do I use to set as the active partition?  FDISK in a DOS prompt from a boot disc?
[09:44] <freak_> CentHOGG, wireless in linux is sketchy, you're better off going wired
[09:44] <gnomefreak> boxy, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ynHn3j60.html
[09:44] <boxy> thanks gnome
[09:44] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:45] <jawshoewah> what folder are system fonts storedin ?
[09:45] <jean> does powerpoint have sound?
[09:45] <jawshoewah> stored in?
[09:45] <freak_> jean, openoffice impress?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> jean ask at #windows
[09:45] <Bevin> how do I manage which gcc version is currently the default for the system?
[09:45] <mika0800> to set active partition to C:, just boot from a MS-DOS floppy or CD nad run FDISK. The other way: can run win dos prompt only from HD  as well
[09:45] <CentHOGG> freak_: so it's not possible?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> linux doesnt have rights to powerpoint
[09:45] <Papoose> To add a second HD, what format type and access Path is best?
[09:46] <tehdot> quick question, I have a laptop with composite out, does anyone know if the DRI project or any other OS driver projects support it?
[09:46] <jean> freak_: yes impress
[09:46] <psusi> mika0800, it isn't "dos prompt"... XP does not have anything to do with dos... it does have a recovery console though
[09:46] <freak_> CentHOGG, it is, but it may take lots and lots of tweaking, but ubuntu usually autoconfigures what it can, you can try another distro, recompile the kernel with the correct modules, or tweak like hell, heh
[09:47] <mika0800> oh, on some PC's (especially older ones) the /boot -pertition should be in the first 8 Gigabytes of the HD.
[09:47] <mika0800> U may make a dos boot floppy from Win98 for example
[09:47] <freak_> jean, it should have sounds, its meant to be as much like powerpoint as possible, dont quote me on it though, check http://www.openoffice.org/ to double check
[09:47] <tr011> Papoose, if you are going to store too much data in big files, you could use ext3 or ext2, and /media/yournewhd is a good path
[09:47] <kameron> Papoose: it's all up to you really.
[09:48] <jean> freak_: thanks
[09:48] <Papoose> tro: What does access Path mean?
[09:48] <psusi> mika0800, please don't say "U" instead of "you" and other things like that... it is annoying and makes you look silly... is it really that much more work to hit the other two keys?
[09:49] <jean> freak_: i wonder if the sound is included in the file because i have a ppt file here but no sound
[09:49] <kameron> Papoose, i'd suggest ext3 and /media/hdd like tr011 said is good, or /mnt/hdd.
[09:49] <boxy> grrr
[09:49] <boxy> When i try to install nvidia-glx it wants to install linux and linux headers for 386 when i already have the686 versions installed
[09:49] <thegladiator> hi
[09:49] <zoexii> hello, I cannot get gnome baker to recognize a .img disk image file... Is there some way to convert this to ISO within linux?
[09:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Papoose: In linux, extra HDDs appear as part of the main filesystem, not separately lettered drives (as in windows).
[09:49] <thegladiator> hi
[09:49] <sapo> hi folks, i just installed dapper 64bits here, but i kept my 32bits install untouched, is it safe to mount my old /home/usr folder (that is in another partition) in this new install? is it going to mess my 32bits configs?
[09:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Papoose: So access path is where you want it to show up in the filesystem.
[09:50] <psusi> zoexii, .img is not a standard file extention... what kind of data is it supposed to contain?
[09:50] <Papoose> PuMpErNiCkLe ok that makes sense thanks
[09:50] <zoexii> psusi, it is the old mac format for disk images,
[09:50] <BockBilbo> hey
[09:50] <psusi> zoexii, it may be a floppy disk image
[09:50] <BockBilbo> is firefox 1.5 availble in the backports?
[09:50] <psusi> zoexii, ohh... well, what kind of disk image is it?
[09:50] <shinobi319> what is the easiest way to wipe an ubuntu hard drive?
[09:50] <tr011> zoexii, google img to iso
[09:50] <zoexii> psusi, before they switched to .dmg...  no, I know it to be a cd rom image,
[09:50] <Andrew|> is ubuntu the best distro for n00bs?
[09:51] <kameron> Papoose: for example, i have my NTFS partition 'mounted' at /media/ntfs. it's not D:/ or anything like that.
[09:51] <butcherbird> sapo: i might be wrong but cant think of anything that would be different
[09:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sapo: It should be fine - just don't mount it as /home/usr in the new install.
[09:51] <kameron> Andrew|: potentially yes, it certainly makes a good candidate.
[09:51] <tr011> Andrew|, is a good distro for every body
[09:51] <trkorecky> mika0800: So let me get this straight:  I free up some space at the end of my drive for Linux by shortening my XP partition.  I then install Ubuntu in the unpartitioned space, install GRUB in /boot, and use FDISK to set /boot as the active partition?
[09:51] <TranceRiver> When I type in "sudo touch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the terminal, the next prompt says "Password:" and awaits my call.  I cannot then type in any password, because my keyboard wont work after that.   ANy ideas?
[09:51] <CentHOGG> Andrew|: i would say the friendliest permission-wise
[09:51] <psusi> zoexii, well, if it is a straight disk image without any special mac headers or anything, it should just work... try renaming it to .iso
[09:51] <Xenguy> Andrew|: It is as good, or better, than any IMHO
[09:51] <mika0800> probably (but cannot guarantee this): just rename .img to .iso ... especially if the .img is exactly 1474560 bytes (=18*80*2*512)
[09:51] <sakkew> is ubuntu live cd just a demo, or can i setup a webcam with it?
[09:51] <Andrew|> thanks guys
[09:51] <boxy> Trance it doesnt show what your typing
[09:51] <kameron> trkorecky, yes, except for the last bit about Fdisk, that's unnecessary
[09:51] <sapo> PuMpErNiCkLe, but i want to use my old configs and stuff
[09:51] <tr011> Andrew|, but you always need some beginers nfo... what i mean al depends on how noob you are
[09:51] <zoexii> psusi, will try, thanks.
[09:51] <freak_> anyone with Fluxbox in here?
[09:51] <shinobi319> is there an easy way to wipe an ubuntu hard drive?
[09:52] <kameron> trkorecky, oh sorry, if you install grub to /boot, then yes, you should do that, but it's reccomended that you install grub to the MBR, master boot loader
[09:52] <boxy> rm -rf /
[09:52] <mwe> freak_: yeah
[09:52] <freak_> shinobi319, yes, fdisk
[09:52] <garyc> I would like to paste 2 lines of errors only?
[09:52] <butcherbird> freak_: used to use flux
[09:52] <Papoose> kameron ok so if I wanted more HD's my access path should be /media/HD1 and the other /media/HD2 ... somthing like that?>
[09:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sapo: You could copy them from another location - I'm just worried that if they get overwritten, there could be problems for your 32bit Breezy install.
[09:52] <Andrew|> [20:51:54]  <tr011> Andrew|, but you always need some beginers nfo... what i mean al depends on how noob you are <<--- i know nothing :)
[09:52] <gnomefreak> boxy, hold on i have something you need to use
[09:52] <freak_> butcherbird, on ubuntu?
[09:52] <shinobi319> ok how do i use fdisk (im sorry im kind of new at this)
[09:52] <boxy> shinobi319 if you want to keep the partition rm -rf / if you want to redo the partitions use fdisk
[09:52] <boxy> kay gnomefreak
[09:52] <kameron> Papoose, yes, that's the general convention in ubuntu. you could put it *anywhere* though, like /home/papoose/harddrives/hda
[09:52] <butcherbird> freak_: a little is this ubuntu specific?
[09:52] <trkorecky> kameron: I don't really want to mess with my MBR, in case I would like to remove Ubuntu and quickly return to XP without anything affecting it
[09:52] <psusi> trkorecky, the ununtu installer will automatically prompt you to shrink windows and install to the free space
[09:52] <sapo> PuMpErNiCkLe, hum.. i think i ll just copy the config files from breezy to here, and them mount the partition in another place
[09:53] <sapo> PuMpErNiCkLe,  thanx :)
[09:53] <TranceRiver> Okay.  Does anyone here use Dvorak (the typing layout)
[09:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sapo: np :)
[09:53] <kameron> trkorecky, from fdisk type: fdisk /mbr. that will replace the default windows bootloader, and you will boot to windows without problem.
[09:53] <mika0800> ..
[09:53] <gnomefreak> boxy, add these http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/q3AHZM91.html
[09:53] <tr011> Andrew|, so you could try mandriva is a very very easy distro... and with (too many) wizzards
[09:53] <kameron> trkorecky, or from a live cd such as ubuntu, or knoppix: install-mbr /dev/hda
[09:53] <garyc> can i post 2 lines of errors from the terminal?
[09:53] <mika0800> trk... : /boot should be a separate partition, located in the first 8 gigabytes of the HD. If you just create a /boot -directory (or let the installer do that for you), it may not be so easy...
[09:53] <gnomefreak> !pastebin
[09:53] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:53] <freak_> butcherbird, well i installed FB on ubuntu and it didn't link ANYTHING, not even its own themes so im struggling getting the menu configures, the themes linked, and then getting pypanel and aDesklets working with it
[09:54] <psusi> kameron, that's assuming you have an old dos boot disk with dos fdisk on it...
[09:54] <kameron> garyc, yes, but please use the pastebin for anything longer
[09:54] <CentHOGG> !wireless
[09:54] <ubotu> well, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[09:54] <mwe> garyc: only in pastebin or people get pissed
[09:54] <gnomefreak> 98 boot disks :)
[09:54] <kameron> psusi: every dos bootdisk has fdisk
[09:54] <kameron> or 98, etc
[09:54] <gnomefreak> i have 4 or 5 98 boot disks :(
[09:54] <freak_> 98's fdisk sucks
[09:54] <blood> how do i look at my drives again
[09:54] <psusi> mika0800, if you don't have a rather old computer, there is no need for a seperate /boot partition
[09:54] <mika0800> if you cannot move your winXP partition out of  the way to get a new (small) partition in the first 8 GB of your HD, you may have no other choice than to install the GRUB in the MBR.
[09:54] <freak_> just use the fdisk off of DOS6.2 diskettes
[09:54] <kameron> i have 7.10.. the unofficial dos with support for something or other.
[09:54] <trkorecky> So I should just let it take over the standard MBR and then reset it should I decide to remove Ubunut?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> kameron, only problem is me 2k nt and xp dont have boot disks :)
[09:55] <mwe> freak_: so does linux fdisk, though it usually works
[09:55] <kameron> gnomefreak, you can use a 98 disk for those
[09:55] <psusi> kameron, right... which is why i said assuming you have a dos boot disk... most people don't these days... especially if they got a computer that came with XP
[09:55] <gnomefreak> kameron, i know
[09:55] <kameron> psusi, i'm assuming that guy has one, because he mentioned it
[09:55] <psusi> hell, I don't even have a floppy disk drive
[09:55] <mika0800> And, if you install it in the MBR, maybe someone else can tell you more about that choice, because I never do that if I intend to make a dualboot system
[09:55] <gnomefreak> thats why i have the 98 disks around
[09:55] <freak_> mwe, do you use Fluxbox with ubuntu?
[09:55] <blood> how do i look to see what my c: is called in the teerminal
[09:55] <butcherbird> freak_: i didnt have any problems like that when i apt-get'd fluxbox..
[09:55] <mwe> freak_: yeah
[09:56] <gnomefreak> you can get a dos boot disk without having windows :)
[09:56] <kameron> psusi, i don't know how people get by without floppies. boot disks, bios flashes, emergencies.. it's so handy, and they sell for less than $10, how can you afford not to?
[09:56] <kameron> gnomefreak, you can, but it's a nicety
[09:56] <trkorecky> Maybe I'll just let Ubuntu here on my dedicated Ubuntu machine and leave my Windows machine alone for gaming
[09:56] <Xenguy> http://bootdisk.com
[09:56] <freak_> mwe, did yours link all the applications in the menu automaticly and know where all the styles/themes were?
[09:56] <kameron> trkorecky, you can do that, or dual boot, or install windows games in linux!
[09:56] <gnomefreak> kameron, true but windows is yucky to me
[09:56] <freak_> butcherbird, i didnt on Debian 3.1(r0)
[09:56] <gnomefreak> only reason i have it installed is for school
[09:56] <kameron> gnomefreak, not just you. i think i can name 692 people who would agree :P
[09:57] <trkorecky> kameron: My Ubuntu machine is having a hard time running Ubuntu, nonetheless running Windows games
[09:57] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:57] <psusi> kameron, they are 20 year old obsolete piles of crap... I wrote a disk driver for them once and man that hardware sucks... what do you need it for when you have cds?
[09:57] <kameron> trkorecky, ah
[09:57] <mika0800> even in new computers, there is a limit where BIOS can access. IN older computers, that is normally 8 GB, but on some computers may be only 4 or even only 2 GB !
[09:57] <mwe> freak_: I have menu and menu-xdg installed, so the menu was populated
[09:57] <trkorecky> kameron: 664MHz P3, 414MB RAM, hard drive older than Jesus, etc.
[09:57] <mwe> freak_: it also had links to themes in it
[09:57] <mika0800> In new computers, the limit may be more, but there still is a limit
[09:57] <kameron> psusi, i like them :D
[09:57] <kameron> psusi, can you do a bios flash from cdrom?
[09:58] <garyc> I get these errors in terminal. I do not know what M2 is. I tried google to find out what M2 meant. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6817
[09:58] <CentHOGG> anybody here ubuntu & D-link wireless
[09:58] <tr011> trkorecky, the 80286 IBM/ps2 that is just at my left is laughting .... XD
[09:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> blood: 'nano /etc/fstab' and check for the line that says '/' as the mount point
[09:58] <psusi> mika0800, Ummm... no... only older computers have the limit... really, really ancient computers the limit is 512 mb... really old computers it is 2 gb... old computers ( older than say, 3 years or so ) the limit is 8 gb
[09:58] <gnomefreak> kameron, not sure ive only heard of it from floppy
[09:58] <mika0800> does someone know: even if the BIOS supports LBA (on new machines it always does), can GRUB access the HD using LBA, or is it limited to the old CHS system ?
[09:58] <garyc> mwe, i put the errors in pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6817
[09:58] <freak_> mwe, i have those installed but no luck, should i try removing FB completely and reinstalling menu and menu-xdg before installing FB?
[09:58] <kameron> gnomefreak, then my $10 investment was well worth it
[09:58] <psusi> kameron, sure
[09:58] <trkorecky> tr011: heh, I can imagine.  It deeply saddened me to throw away some old 486/DX machines and a P2 333MHz one
[09:58] <gnomefreak> yes i would say so if you got a floppy :)
[09:59] <psusi> kameron, just burn a bootable cd using the floppy disk image
[09:59] <mwe> freak_: or run update-menus maybe
[09:59] <gnomefreak> trkorecky, why would you do that?
[09:59] <kameron> psusi, what about on older machines that don't boot to cds?
[09:59] <psusi> mika0800, grub uses lba if it is supported by the bios
[09:59] <mika0800> I use Linux on several computers, ranging from 120 Mhz pentium to 1200 Mhz AMD Athlon
[09:59] <boz> Can anyone recommend a good program to run live streaming audio over the Net?
[09:59] <Thorio> could anyone please help me fix my network connection on my ubuntu box? i have no idea why it wont work..
[09:59] <freak_> mwe, whats the exact syntax for that line? fbdesk update-menus?
[09:59] <tr011> trkorecky, one month ago i throw  my old celeron 300 mhz... it was only using room space
[09:59] <psusi> kameron, older than what?  6 years?  throw them away ;)
[09:59] <trkorecky> gnomefreak: We had nowhere to go with them, and my father was tired of having them in the house.
[09:59] <kameron> psusi, what about.. umm.. yeah. it's frickin $10, and it comes in handy! that's more than i can say about other computer peripherals and devices.
[09:59] <powderfinger> Anyone know ehere we ca get such @floppy images@?
[10:00] <gnomefreak> :((
[10:00] <kameron> powderfinger, what floppy images?
[10:00] <mika0800> ok, that means that on newer computers the partition where you boot from must be located in the first 137 GB (= 128 GiB) of the HD.
[10:00] <mwe> garyc: what makes you think I know anything about opera? :)
[10:00] <gnomefreak> <<always looking for pcs used
[10:00] <psusi> kameron, I'll stick with me cds ;)
[10:00] <kameron> psusi, i have 2 floppy drives, no cds, i LOVE floppies
[10:01] <mwe> garyc: I know it's a browser. that's about it
[10:01] <kameron> psusi, brand new computer too
[10:01] <trkorecky> tr011: What would be more beneficial for speed with this comptuer: a new hard drive (that holds more than 4GB and isn't old) or new/more RAM?
[10:01] <blood>  /dev/media/sda1 /backup how come that dont work
[10:01] <gnomefreak> mwe you can chat from opera browser too :(
[10:01] <psusi> kameron, you're crazy ;)
[10:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> boz: VLC, or maybe icecast
[10:01] <powderfinger> kameron, eg. Windows 98 boot floopies..
[10:01] <kameron> psusi, kidding :P i have 1 and use it once a month or so
[10:01] <david_m_e> at-large question: (i tried the Samba room first, but its doa over there); i have an XP computer and a Ubuntu/Samba computer; when on the XP computer, the "computers in this workgroup" shows both computers, but when i try to log on to the linux box from the XP box, i get rejected; when i try the net use command, it seems to try, but the username/password are rejected; where do i set up users to allow them to log in to a Linux box from
[10:01] <david_m_e>  another machine (specifically, WinXP) ?
[10:01] <boz> thanks nickle
[10:01] <mwe> freak_: I think you should just type update-menus
[10:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> boz: Or ffmpeg
[10:01] <freak_> mwe, ok
[10:02] <kameron> powderfinger, www.bootdisk.com it's kinda retarded to navigate, but you'll find it eventually. or google DOS 7.10 image
[10:02] <mika0800> in fact, I installed a 200 GB IDE disk using linux, to a very old computer (Pentium 120 MHz, BIOS updated 1999), and connected the IDE disk straight into the motherboard's IDE connector. Linux does that correctly. Win98 does not.
[10:02] <Katie^> Riddell : is that a good or bad thing :p
[10:02] <powderfinger> kameron Thanks off there now
[10:02] <psusi> kameron, of course... any actual msdos image you download is an illegal pirated copy ;)
[10:02] <garyc> kameron, would you look at the errors? do you know what to do about this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6817
[10:02] <Riddell> Katie^: good of course!
[10:02] <Katie^> you from edinrugh?
[10:02] <Riddell> Katie^: yes
[10:02] <Katie^> Argh, that made sense.
[10:02] <mika0800> But you need a recent kernel (2.4.19 or newer) to do that. So I waited for Debian Sarge to do that. Woody's kernel is too old.
[10:02] <kameron> garyc, ill check it in a sec
[10:03] <Katie^> where about
[10:03] <kameron> Katie^, hey there <3
[10:03] <Katie^> hey :)
[10:03] <Katie^> omg, i love this song
[10:03] <blood> to mount a drive in the backup folder i would " /dev/media/sda1 /backup" cause it doesnt work (/media/sda1 is c:)
[10:03] <Riddell> Katie^: polwarth/fountainbridge
[10:03] <Katie^> oh nice, are you at a gym?
[10:03] <Katie^> I'm trying to join, but bannatynes was like 80 p/m
[10:03] <trkorecky> All: What would be more beneficial for speed with my old computer: a new hard drive (that holds more than 4GB and isn't old) or new/more RAM?
[10:03] <kameron> garyc: i've never run opera before
[10:04] <psusi> blondie, there is no /dev/media.. it's just /dev/sda1
[10:04] <boxy> gnomefreak i give up i've broke it. lol
[10:04] <david_m_e> no takers?
[10:04] <kameron> garyc: :P
[10:04] <Riddell> Katie^: I tend to canoe on the canal but the council run PulseCentres have always served me well when I wanted a gym
[10:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> trkorecky: both
[10:04] <Papoose> I formated my HD but it says it is inaccessable
[10:04] <david_m_e> Seveas, u too busy?
[10:04] <psusi> trkorecky, both... or even better, a new computer ;)
[10:04] <mika0800> there is OpenDos for those who need a bootable dos system and have no MS-license for it.
[10:04] <freak_> mwe, didn't work
[10:04] <Katie^> Riddell : Join #ubuntu-offtopic before they all have hissy fits ;)
[10:04] <freak_> or you can just pirate windows like everyone else
[10:05] <trkorecky> PuMpErNiCkLe: psusi I'm not looking to spend much.  Which one of the two upgrades would provide the largest gain in performance?
[10:05] <kameron> trkorecky, ram
[10:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> trkorecky: In performance, probably the RAM.
[10:05] <chriswoodall> is their any ppc distro that will install on an external drive
[10:05] <psusi> trkorecky, what kind of ram and hard drive do you have now?
[10:05] <Katie^> who is it that's selling a computer next month for liek 200 without MS windows
[10:05] <kameron> trkorecky, but popping for a really small hard drive, like 15 gigs, will be extremely inexpensive
[10:05] <psusi> trkorecky, and you are running xwindows on this machine, or using it as a file server?
[10:05] <mwe> freak_: I don't know why. I think it should
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> Katie^,  ya mean the googlepc?
[10:05] <Katie^> ahh, is that who
[10:05] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Katie^: i think it's dell
[10:05] <Katie^> aye, I couldn't remember
[10:06] <freak_> alright well im gonna go into gnome and try reinstalling all this crap
[10:06] <trkorecky> psusi: X.  I wouldn't mind using it as a temporary web server or something (though my ISP does not allow permanent servers)
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> theres a great many places selling Linux based pc's for cheap these days
[10:06] <Brendon> hi all, i'm having trouble with svn i can't seem to commit new changes. Here are the commands i type plus the errors they produce. http://paste.lisp.org/display/15516 Thanks in advance.
[10:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Dr_Willis: Like WalMart. :D
[10:06] <trkorecky> psusi: This computer is mostly for playing around with Linux
[10:06] <RedStalker_Mike> i want to download all debian docs. what .deb package i must to "apt-get" :) ?
[10:06] <mwe> freak_: maybe you idea of reinstalling flux now that you have menu and menu-xdg installed is not a bad idea
[10:06] <Chousuke> apt-cache search documentation
[10:06] <Chousuke> :p
[10:07] <CanYouHelpMePlz> google denied they are going to sell a pc..
[10:07] <psusi> trkorecky, ok... so what kind of ram and disk are in it now? if you plan on running xwindows on it you will want a minimum of 256 megs
[10:07] <freak_> mwe, alright
[10:07] <narles> how do i go about uninstalling VLC?
[10:07] <mwe> freak_: move ~/.fluxbox as well maybe
[10:07] <CanYouHelpMePlz> sudo apt-get remove vl
[10:07] <CanYouHelpMePlz> sudo apt-get remove vlc
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. tv was just showing a air-traffic controller room.. and there was a windows box with a big "it crashed" message box on it..
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> :P
[10:07] <narles> thanks
[10:07] <trkorecky> psusi: I'm not sure about the hard drive, I think it's 5400RPM but it holds 4GB.  The RAM is at 414MB
[10:07] <freak_> mwe, i'll make sure all the conf files are deleted after telling apt to remove everything
[10:08] <psusi> trkorecky, that's a funky number... ram allways comes in powers of two... should be 512
[10:08] <mika0800> now: does anyone know how to force the Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary's installer to load the 3c509 kernel module to get the installer to recognize 3COM Etherlink III 3c509B ISA NIC card ?
[10:08] <psusi> trkorecky, at that point I'd say get a new drive...
[10:08] <Papoose> after I format my new HD Do I have to restart for it to be accessable and show up whereever I made the path?
[10:08] <tehdot> quick question, I have a laptop with composite out, does anyone know if the DRI project or any other OS driver projects support it?
[10:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: 'sudo modprobe 3c509B'
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> Papoose,  if you fdisked it - you might have to..
[10:09] <mika0800> 512 MB RAM is enough for most purposes. Of course you need more if you do something memory-hungry...
[10:09] <psusi> Papoose, or sudo mount -a
[10:09] <psusi> Papoose, or sudo mount /media/hdd or whatever
[10:09] <trkorecky> psusi: I added all the RAM I had laying around the house.  It's 256+128+32 (alright, 416MB, I can't count)
[10:09] <butcherbird> Papoose: reboot should be a rare occurance
[10:10] <Papoose> All I did was format using GNOME
[10:10] <Note> hi
[10:10] <mika0800> yes, I can do that after install. But how can I do the same during the install, and early enough that it forces the installer to recognize the NIC right where it would some other NIC ?
[10:10] <trkorecky> psusi: I may have another 128MB somewhere, but I don't think it worked with this motherboard, had some error in POST
[10:10] <psusi> trkorecky, lol.... depending on the speed of the ram modules, you might be better off getting rid of the 32mb one.. if it is slower, it will slow them all down so it can keep up
[10:10] <kenderthief> hi all
[10:10] <boxy> is there a way i can basically start my install over to how it was without using the cd cause i did a network install but i had to move all my equipment down there cause of my wifi
[10:10] <butcherbird> Papoose: formatted a parition? you should be able to mount it now then
[10:10] <kameron> powderfinger, find it yet?
[10:10] <boxy> alls i need is the base and ndiswrapper
[10:11] <psusi> trkorecky, and yea... get a better hard drive...
[10:11] <Papoose> butcherbird how :S
[10:11] <kenderthief> I just installed ubuntu on an ibm thinkpad 600 and I need to adjust the color depth to 16bit
[10:11] <butcherbird> Papoose: what did you format it as?
[10:11] <kenderthief> can someone help me figure out how to do this?
[10:11] <Papoose> ext 3
[10:11] <kenderthief> I can only find the resolution and refresh rate
[10:11] <Korupt> anybody here know how to use devilspie?
[10:11] <trkorecky> psusi: I'll see how much I have left after I get a new graphics card for my gaming computer.
[10:12] <mika0800> at least the Ubuntu Live CD wil not let me change to another console during the install phase and do that 'sudo modprobe 3c509B' there...
[10:12] <Note> can you install Linux on a External drive
[10:12] <Papoose> butcherbird format type= ext 3 Path = /media/HD1
[10:12] <Note> or Unix
[10:12] <trkorecky> psusi: Where would be the best place to get an inexpensive hard drive?  Computer shows?  Ebay?  Elsewhere?
[10:12] <mika0800> Is it different for the normal version of Ubuntu (NOt the Live one)
[10:12] <gnomefreak> note there is a big difference between unix nad linux
[10:12] <butcherbird> Papoose: should be as easy as sudo mount /dev/whatever /media/whatever  if unsure of partion number (/dev/hda etc) type sudo fdisk -l to list all paritions
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> trkorecky,  depends on the size you want.
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> trkorecky,  and your budget
[10:12] <Note> gnomefreak: I realize this
[10:13] <psusi> trkorecky, computer shows or ebay... you should be able to pick up a used 7200 rpm drive for dirt cheap
[10:13] <mika0800> new 40 GB HD's from 50 EUR... bigger are of course more (but not much more...)
[10:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: Try booting in expert mode during the install.
[10:13] <david_m_e> is there an "anonymous" or "guest" type user that can be activated so that i can log in to my linux box from an WinXp box without having to provide a user name and password?
[10:13] <trkorecky> psusi: Alright, I'll look around
[10:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: Apparently they prompt you for stuff like kernel modules.
[10:13] <kameron> david_m_e, hahaha, no
[10:13] <yatesy> david_m_e: no, linux actually tries to be secure :P
[10:13] <mika0800> yes, but that prompts for "modules from floppy"... what if I don
[10:13] <david_m_e> did u see my earlier question?
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> david_m_e,  you could make a 'public' share i belive.. but you will need to learn how to manually edit the samba config.
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> david_m_e,  the 'using samba' book has examples.
[10:14] <mika0800> ... don't have any floppy but I know that 3c509 driver module is on the install CD...
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> or just make a guest account.
[10:14] <david_m_e> i have an XP computer and a Ubuntu/Samba computer; when on the XP computer, the "computers in this workgroup" shows both computers, but when i try to log on to the linux box from the XP box, i get rejected; when i try the net use command, it seems to try, but the username/password are rejected; where do i set up users to allow them to log in to a Linux box from  another machine (specifically, WinXP)
[10:14] <Note> I am guessing it cannot be installed onan external drive can any OS be installed ona n external drive?
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> well a account named guest, or somthing :P
[10:14] <kameron> david_m_e, don't paste the same thing over
[10:14] <yatesy> ah i see
[10:14] <psusi> Note, yes, linux can be installed on an external drive
[10:14] <yatesy> david_m_e: create a user thats identical to your windows user
[10:14] <Note> psusi: PPC?
[10:15] <gnomefreak> note as long as linux sees it you should have 0 problems externel is same as internel minus the way its connected and the case around it
[10:15] <yatesy> and set your samba password to the same as your windows user account
[10:15] <mika0800> I think the problem is due to a bug in the 2.6 -series kernels: the kernel misidentifies the 3c509 as 3c905 and load the wrong kernel module -which will not work.
[10:15] <yatesy> it won't ask for credentials then
[10:15] <david_m_e> yatesy: where?
[10:15] <yatesy> david_m_e: man smbpasswd
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> david_m_e,  for the users on the linux box to allow windows in.. they must have theur samba password set with 'smbpasswd -a username'  then restart samba
[10:15] <Note> member:gnomefreak: yes but yaboot wont install
[10:15] <david_m_e> thank you Dr Willis
[10:15] <sklav> hi guys
[10:16] <psusi> Note, I don't know a whole lot about macs but I believe so
[10:16] <gnomefreak> i didint see you state it was a mac or not
[10:16] <david_m_e> restarting samba requires logoff/logon or reboot?
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> david_m_e,  that 'using samba' book has details - and its a free download. :P
[10:16] <Note> psusi: Yaboot wont load up
[10:16] <yatesy> david_m_e: no, just restart the service
[10:16] <david_m_e> Dr Willis: i  will try the book again;
[10:16] <Note> thats my problem
[10:16] <powderfinger> david_m_e /etc
[10:16] <sklav> david_m_e no restarting samba is a simple /etc/init.d/smb restart
[10:16] <david_m_e> i DID try the book; i assume u refer to the book on samba.org?
[10:17] <psusi> Note, you mean the mac won't load yaboot, or yaboot fails?
[10:17] <mika0800> does someone know how to tell the Ubuntu installer that I want to load the 3c509 module, but NOT from a floppy, but from the InstallCD ?
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> david_m_e,  theres a book out called 'using samba' its free for download i recall.. i read it ages ago.. and its  the definitive guide :P lol..
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> david_m_e,  by the time i was through chapter 4 - i knew about all i needed to know.
[10:17] <shinobi319> how do i install drivers in ubuntu?
[10:17] <Note> psusi: During install yaboot fails to install
[10:17] <david_m_e> however, this seems to be enuf info; i don't like asking questions without RTM'ng first, but i have been tryhing to figure this out for over a week now
[10:17] <david_m_e> all help appreciated
[10:18] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, what drivers?
[10:18] <Note> basically I cant boot it
[10:18] <boxy> is there a way to remove almost all the packages on my computer with apt-get?
[10:18] <shinobi319> first off my LAN driver
[10:18] <gnomefreak> everything on  a pc uses drivers :(
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> david_m_e,  its fairly straight forward. but it depends on exactly what/how you want to do things
[10:18] <psusi> Note, try installing it by hand
[10:18] <shinobi319> i have no idea what to do...i read up a little and i need to use the "makefile" thing?
[10:18] <mwe> shinobi319: they're installed during boot. just if you need something special you need to do anything
[10:18] <shinobi319> i dont understand it
[10:18] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, what are you installing?
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  what 'lan' driver are you refering to?
[10:18] <Note> psusi: how would one do that
[10:18] <boxy> is there a way to remove almost all the packages on my computer with apt-get?
[10:19] <psusi> Note, man yaboot ;)
[10:19] <mwe> shinobi319: and then in most cases it's just a matter of loading the right module
[10:19] <mika0800> well, if the installer just lets me switch virtual consoles, maybe I should play tricks with unmounting the floppy and make a symbolic link so the installer will use a directory of the installCD as the floppy ?
[10:19] <gnomefreak> thinks*
[10:19] <mwe> shinobi319: What don't you understand?
[10:19] <shinobi319> well the installation process in linux is entirely different than windows
[10:20] <northie> !java
[10:20] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[10:20] <damnhil> how do I execute a bash script in simulation? "Print  the  commands  that  would  be executed, but do not execute     them."?
[10:20] <northie> !javadebs
[10:20] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy
[10:20] <mwe> shinobi319: what's the "makefile" thing ?
[10:20] <shinobi319> i have to use the "makefile" thing and make a new kernel or something?
[10:20] <Papoose> butcherbird Says it can't find
[10:20] <mwe> shinobi319: um yes
[10:20] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, are you going to tell us what you are installing?
[10:20] <sklav> !fonts
[10:20] <ubotu> somebody said fonts was https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[10:20] <mika0800> to list installed packages: put this in a textfile and give it execute rights: COLUMNS=$1 dpkg -l | grep ^i >pak$1.txt
[10:20] <mwe> shinobi319: linux is an entirely different system, so ...
[10:20] <Morrowyn> how do i turnon the numlock key by default, my bios says boot with numlock on, but when i boot into ubuntu , it turns it off :-/
[10:20] <Xenguy> shinobi319: bad questions get bad answers :-) What specifically are you trying to do?
[10:20] <mwe> shinobi319: for what?
[10:20] <shinobi319> would anyone be willing to talk in a private channel? im having a tough time keeping up with this
[10:21] <gnomefreak> Morrowyn,  look at the guide in your help icon it will tell you
[10:21] <gnomefreak> under tips and tricks
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> Morrowyn,  I belive there is an answer to that in the ubuntu wiki's or forums - i forget the details. but i think gnome has a option to do that.
[10:21] <shinobi319> to help me with a few (what i assume are) basic functions in linux
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> :P
[10:21] <butcherbird> Papoose: try typing 'mount' its possible gnome already mounted it
[10:21] <shinobi319> im new to it and i desperately need help
[10:21] <peace> yo
[10:21] <butcherbird> Papoose: that will respond will all mounted devices
[10:21] <northie> Would someone spare a minute to guide me through getting java into firefox?
[10:21] <freak_> mwe, didnt work
[10:21] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, what are you trying to install??????????
[10:21] <sklav> what is the name of the ms true type fonts link?
[10:21] <gnomefreak> !fonts
[10:21] <sklav> package
[10:21] <ubotu> well, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[10:21] <shinobi319> first off my LAN driver
[10:21] <sklav> i checked that
[10:21] <mwe> this is breezy, right?
[10:21] <peace> fufge
[10:21] <peace> fuck
[10:21] <mwe> freak_: this is breezy, right?
[10:21] <freak_> gnomefreak, he doenst know what hes trying to install
[10:22] <peace> oops
[10:22] <shinobi319> i have an ASUS P4V8X-MX motherboard
[10:22] <peace> sorry
[10:22] <freak_> mwe, 5.10
[10:22] <Morrowyn> thanks :)
[10:22] <mwe> freak_: yeah
[10:22] <gnomefreak> freak_, i see that :(
[10:22] <shinobi319> i have the cd
[10:22] <shinobi319> and it says it has linux lan drivers on it
[10:22] <p337> Hi everyone... I am currently installing Kubuntu (5.10) on my laptop for the first time... and it locked up at the part when it says "Starting Hotplug subsystem"... Its been about 10 minutes... any ideas?
[10:22] <freak_> mwe, yea
[10:22] <shinobi319> but i dont know how to install them
[10:22] <mwe> freak_: and menu and menu-xdg is installed
[10:22] <peace> sammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[10:22] <freak_> mwe, yea
[10:22] <peace> yo freak
[10:22] <mwe> freak_: did you do apt-get --purge remove fluxbox?
[10:22] <mika0800> I just downloaded Ubuntu Hoary = 5.04, so I will try to install that... but think that it's going to be hard time to get my 3c509 NIC to work properly..
[10:23] <MonsieurBon> hello
[10:23] <Papoose> butcherbird Didn't respond with it
[10:23] <Mitch_Owen> Hey
[10:23] <mwe> freak_: to get rid of it entirely
[10:23] <MonsieurBon> can somebody tell me what wxPython is?
[10:23] <freak_> mwe, no, i use synaptic package manager, told it to "remove and delete configuration files"
[10:23] <shinobi319> gnomefreak do you think you could help me?
[10:23] <Mitch_Owen> I need help with installing a wireless card with ubuntu
[10:23] <butcherbird> mika0800: i think module for that is included
[10:23] <gnomefreak> MonsieurBon, man python
[10:23] <Mitch_Owen> if someone could PM about this that would be great!
[10:23] <mwe> freak_: same thing I recon
[10:23] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, not without knowing what lan card you are using or anything else
[10:24] <Xenguy> !pm
[10:24] <ubotu> pm is, like, Ask your questions in the channel so that other people may also benefit from answers received.
[10:24] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, what card have you got?
[10:24] <boxy> WOHOOO
[10:24] <boxy> Finally nvidia decides to install.
[10:24] <freak_> mwe, was it update-menus or menu-update?
[10:24] <gnomefreak> lol boxy
[10:24] <lightbright> sometimes 5mins after when I dial into my ISP, the modem lights go crazy for no reason with incoming data and outgoing data!  ANY ideas what could cause this?  Is some sort of trojan running sending someone my data?
[10:24] <Papoose> butcherbird sudo mound /media/HD1? if that is that path I formated?
[10:24] <Papoose> *mount
[10:24] <mwe> freak_: update-menus from a terminal. then restart fluxbox
[10:24] <shinobi319> gnomefreak can we talk in a  private channel or something? i would really appreciate it
[10:24] <MonsieurBon> gnomefreak, it's not python, it's something different
[10:24] <gnomefreak> man wxpython
[10:25] <butcherbird> Papoose: ah yes if you can navigate to that directory its already mounted probably
[10:25] <lightbright> gnomefreak: any ideas?
[10:25] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, I have two cards a linksys and a belkin, both wireless  type "b" cards. I just have no clue if it is plug and play and ubutu will recognize or what. and I have no clue how I would set up the wireless connection
[10:25] <gnomefreak> man <whatever its called>
[10:25] <Mitch_Owen> I have probably overlooked a how-to somewhere
[10:25] <gnomefreak> lighti didnt see it
[10:25] <freak_> mwe, nope, still just have "Fluxbox Default Menu"
[10:25] <MonsieurBon> gnomefreak, I haven't got it yet! :)
[10:25] <shinobi319> gnomefreak please i just need like 5 minutes...i have the linux driver for my LAN card but i dont know how to install it
[10:25] <gnomefreak> MonsieurBon, to man it you dont need to have it
[10:25] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, PCMCIA cards?
[10:26] <gnomefreak> shiwhat card do you have?
[10:26] <mwe> freak_: try update-menus -d to see what it does. see if it mentions anything about fluxbox
[10:26] <MonsieurBon> gnomefreak, but there's no entry! ;)
[10:26] <shinobi319> its an onboard lan card
[10:26] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, Yes, I believe so PCI cards
[10:26] <gnomefreak> shinobi319, what card
[10:26] <gnomefreak> name of it
[10:26] <shinobi319> on my ASUS P4V8X-MX motherboard
[10:26] <Mr_Molez> how do i take something out of runlevel at command prompt ?
[10:26] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, that's not the same
[10:26] <sapo> hi, is there a way to copy *just* the *hidden* files of a folder to another?
[10:26] <gerald-volt> anyone know the gcc command to compile C?
[10:26] <gnomefreak> lightbright, no i dont know
[10:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 - does this help at all?
[10:26] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, they are PCI cards
[10:27] <gnomefreak> gerald-volt, gcc <file.c> -o file
[10:27] <gnomefreak> no <>
[10:27] <gerald-volt> and what library do I use/
[10:27] <gerald-volt> like the .h
[10:27] <butcherbird> Papoose: another command is df -h it shows freespace available should display whatever size partion you formatted
[10:27] <gnomefreak> .c
[10:27] <Mr_Molez> how do i take something out of runlevel at command prompt ?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> for c
[10:27] <gerald-volt> i mean the #include
[10:27] <gerald-volt> whatever
[10:27] <mwe> and the -o is optional it will just get the great name a.out if you leave it out :)
[10:27] <gnomefreak> .h for headers  .sh for bash
[10:27] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, what chip do they use? most chips are supported by ubuntu. For RTL8180 there's a good opensource driver which you have to compile yourself. But I'm no expert...
[10:27] <gnomefreak> .py python
[10:28] <gerald-volt> no
[10:28] <ante_> Hmm, noobquestion here... But how do I "wget" something? =)
[10:28] <freak_> mwe, last line "update-menus[6889] : Running Method: /etc/menu-methods/fluxbox"
[10:28] <gerald-volt> i mean do I use #include stdio.h ?
[10:28] <gerald-volt> or what/
[10:28] <shinobi319> can anyone please talk to me in a private channel for just a couple minutes to help me learn how to install my LAN driver?
[10:28] <lightbright> does anyone know?
[10:28] <mwe> freak_: that's good
[10:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ante_: wget URL
[10:28] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, I will check, where would I find such drivers?
[10:28] <sapo> ante_, wget -c http://example.com/example.zip
[10:28] <gnomefreak> #include stdio.h is a header file that you already have
[10:28] <ante_> well, were?
[10:28] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, sourceforge
[10:28] <gerald-volt> k
[10:28] <sapo> ante_, -c is to resume
[10:28] <mika0800> pumpernickle: the page referred has this important note: "The ether= only applies to drivers compiled directly into the kernel." .. .and, since we are talking about modules here, will not work
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  for a start - its your 'network card' driver..  you need to find what chipset that mb is using for your onboard network card.
[10:28] <butcherbird> lightbright: what was question?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> all its doing is calling that file to work
[10:29] <ante_> I don't understand a shit about what u're saying :P
[10:29] <Mr_Molez> anyone know how i can stop cupsd starting at boot ? from commandline ?
[10:29] <definity> how can i find my ip in ubuntu?
[10:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: k
[10:29] <sapo>
[10:29] <shinobi319> Dr_Willis, i have the MB cd and i have the driver i need
[10:29] <mwe> freak_: look at ~/.fluxbox/menu . see if it has anything in it
[10:29] <sklav> weird
[10:29] <shinobi319> i just dont know how to install it
[10:29] <butcherbird> Mr_Molez: easiest way maybe sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/cupsd
[10:29] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, what should I be searching for
[10:29] <shinobi319> there is no .exe like in WinXP
[10:29] <gnomefreak> gerald-volt, in like 3-5 mins i will be in #ubuntu-offtopic any more programming questions i will answer there
[10:29] <Thorio> anyone got any theories? my router detects my nic (reports the macadress correctly) ubuntu recognizes my card it seems, but for some reason i cant seem to ping my router even after setting up the network manually.. PLEASE theorize:)
[10:29] <Papoose> butcherbird I did it thanks... it was already mounted but I had to give it an access path in disk manager
[10:29] <Mr_Molez> butcherbird: thanks
[10:29] <Falstius> Mr_Molez: you can delete the link from /etc/init.d/rcS.d or you can use update-rc.d
[10:29] <sklav> it seems if you edit the apt/sources file and uncomment the multiverse and universe they dont show up in synaptic
[10:29] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, first find out, what chip they're using, then google
[10:30] <cfuerst>  /join #valug
[10:30] <sklav> i had to do it manually in synaptic for them to show up
[10:30] <definity> is there a way that i can do ipconfig in linux to show my ip in konsole
[10:30] <definity> ???
[10:30] <butcherbird> Mr_Molez: to change back only make -x +x
[10:30] <mika0800> Thorio: do you happen to use an old ISA 3CON 3c509 ?
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_p4v8x-mx.html
[10:30] <freak_> mwe, nope, empty
[10:30] <Thorio> mika0800 nope.. some noname crap with a realtek 8139 chip
[10:30] <mwe> freak_: that's really weird.
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  that site says it has a  On-Board VIA Phine II VT6102    network card.
[10:31] <ubu> newbie:please don't scold me! googled already! question: I want to add DAG Wiers xine "repository" so that I can access it via apt-get. How to do that???
[10:31] <mwe> freak_: what happens if you rm -rf ~/.fluxbox and then rerun fluxbox and update-menus?
[10:31] <Pygi> lol, who needed me a long time ago? :P
[10:31] <mika0800> I have realtek 8139 based integrated ethenet on a laptop. And have succesfully booted it from Knoppix 3.7 (=2.4 -series kernel). 2.6 -kernels seem to misrecognize some NICs !
[10:31] <definity> HOW CAN I FIND MY IP IN LINUX CONSOLE?
[10:31] <freak_> mwe, update-menus tried to read from /home/freak/.menu, which doesnt exist
[10:31] <Thorio> mika0800 have you had a similar problem?
[10:31] <Falstius> definity: /sbin/ifconfig
[10:31] <powderfinger> definity DOn't shout ... ifconfig
[10:32] <sklav> definity, ipconfig
[10:32] <beelzebub1987> you know this channel is one of the most highly populated irc channels on freenode
[10:32] <sklav> ifconfig
[10:32] <beelzebub1987> That's pretty cool
[10:32] <sklav> my mistake
[10:32] <mwe> freak_: but it didn't fail, did it?
[10:32] <freak_> mwe, no
[10:32] <Pygi> freaky: ping
[10:32] <Thorio> mika0800 ive had this card working on zenlinux, but i just cant seem to get it to work in ubuntu
[10:32] <mika0800> Yes, with 2.4 kernel -based Linuxes my 3com ISA 3c509 NIC works fine (so does in Windows). But with 2.6 -kernels, it does not work
[10:32] <definity> Faoh haha
[10:32] <mwe> freak_: I think it should continue anyway
[10:32] <definity> no
[10:32] <ante_> hmm, anyone? where do i write wget etc. ?
[10:32] <Thorio> mika0800 so basically were screwed?:)
[10:33] <shinobi319> Dr_Willis, thank you...but now how to i install the driver for it?
[10:33] <mwe> freak_: what happens if you rm -rf ~/.fluxbox and then rerun fluxbox and update-menus?
[10:33] <damiaan> hi folks, I'm considering to install ubuntu on a really old laptop, a 200mhz system, limited on RAM. Is this an issue? are there better distro's? Also, the live-cd froze starting gnome,...
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  it should allready be there.  http://www.zeroshell.net/hw/  shows the modiule name as being    via-rhine
[10:34] <CentHOGG> anybody here ubuntu & D-link wireless
[10:34] <shinobi319> i have the installation files here, but the instructions say "compile the source code to generate rhinefet.o)...i have no idea how to "compile the sourcecode"
[10:34] <mika0800> Well, putting some lines to /etc/modprobe and similar I got so far, that PING started to work. Also, using firefox to access a local hardware NAT firewall's net based configuration page also worked. But access to public internet still dod not.
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  what makes you think you need the 'drivers' have you tried to configuire the network yet?
[10:34] <mwe> freak_: wait
[10:34] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, Would the best way to find out what chip they are is to look on the company sites...or what do you think?
[10:34] <shinobi319> Dr_Willis can we talk in a private channel for just a couple of minutes?
[10:34] <shinobi319> i could really use your help
[10:34] <__mikem> Ubuntu is definiately the best distribution there is, but I woubt it would work on a machine that old
[10:34] <freak_> mwe, i did rm, restart, update-menus, restart, and it didnt do anything
[10:34] <mika0800> I guess this is either due to missing dns services or missing default gateway
[10:34] <mwe> freak_: I just found out update-menus creates ~/.fluxbox/fluxbox-menu not menu
[10:35] <mwe> freak_: look in ~/.fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:35] <mika0800> And, I was just trying anything I could think of.... so next reboot would revert some of my changes....
[10:35] <mwe> freak_: does it look better?
[10:35] <__mikem> Does anyone know any good programming chat rooms on IRC
[10:35] <freak_> mwe, its there, lemme open gedit
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  ive about told ya all i can do.. Ive just spent 3 min googling. :p   if you need to learn how to configure your network - the ubuntu wiki/docs cover that.
[10:35] <Pygi> mikem: what do you need?
[10:35] <damiaan> __mikem: what about debian? I've used that a while ago, seemed more flexible...
[10:35] <butcherbird> __mikem: language?
[10:35] <__mikem> C++
[10:36] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, either, or on the box....
[10:36] <__mikem> Or Assembly language
[10:36] <shinobi319> no i know, and i appreciate it but i just have a couple of basic linux questions
[10:36] <shinobi319> im new to it as of today
[10:36] <Pygi> mikem: are you a beginner?
[10:36] <Papoose> Is it normal for a freshly partitioned drive have 7 GiB used for the partition?
[10:36] <freak_> ubuntu and debian are practicly the same
[10:36] <Mitch_Owen> MonsierBon, I no longer have the boxes...I will check sites
[10:36] <shinobi319> and im having a tough time keeping up with all of this scrolling text in herer
[10:36] <__mikem> No, I am very familior with C++ and I am prety well rounded at ASM
[10:36] <Seveas> __mikem, ##C and #python are nice
[10:36] <__mikem> ok
[10:36] <ubu> newbie:please don't scold me! googled already! question: I want to add DAG Wiers xine "repository" so that I can access it via apt-get. How to do that???
[10:36] <__mikem> thanks
[10:36] <TranceRiver> I created two panels, but the other panel on ubuntu isn't serving as a larger task bar.
[10:36] <TranceRiver> How do I make it do that?
[10:36] <mika0800> I do my programming with Borland Kylix. But for C++, use gcc...
[10:37] <powderfinger> python(+1)
[10:37] <freak_> mwe, yea, theres tons of stuff in it
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  for general linux help - may want to go to #linux or #linuxhelp
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> shinobi319,  less croweded there
[10:37] <Seveas> ubu, can you give some more info about that repository?
[10:37] <Seveas> (like a url)
[10:37] <jmg> hey guys
[10:37] <shinobi319> ok
[10:37] <gnomefreak> C++ i would use g++
[10:37] <jmg> and girls
[10:37] <freak_> mwe, redirect fluxbox to fluxbox-menu instead of menu?
[10:37] <mwe> freak_: great. now open ~/.fluxbox/init and tell me what the session.menuFile entry says
[10:37] <jmg> anyone got gaim 2 package for ubuntu?
[10:37] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, I have the box to the Belkin actually. I see no description of what 'chip'
[10:37] <orospakr> hi! is it possible to completely disable dmix in Breezy? Basically I'd like to get alsa back into pre-breezy state.  I am trying to do some proaudio stuff and dmix really gets in the way.
[10:37] <freak_> jmg, only source
[10:37] <Pygi> freaky: welcome
[10:37] <jmg> that supports debian
[10:37] <Seveas> jmg, gaim2 is still beta and buggy
[10:38] <__mikem> G++ is a c++ compiler gnomefreak
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ty Pygi
[10:38] <Pygi> jmg: do NOT use gaim :)))
[10:38] <jmg> orospakr: dmix is disabled by default
[10:38] <JoeBlow> have u guys had any luck with gparted, when i do something with it, i reboot, and then it hasnt done the changes i applied
[10:38] <RedStalker_Mike> gaim rules )
[10:38] <freak_> Gaim2.0.0beta1 for Windows is awesome and pretty stable
[10:38] <__mikem> tahts like saying I don't use .net, I use c#
[10:38] <ubu> http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/
[10:38] <JoeBlow> Pygi, what do u use?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> __mikem, this i know
[10:38] <jmg> Seveas: no, cvs works fine, i want the beta tho
[10:38] <Pygi> redstalker: No, Gaim is extremly uselles :)))
[10:38] <freak_> mwe, i got fluxconf
[10:38] <Pygi> JoeBlow: Fama IM :)
[10:38] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, have a look into "Gertemanager"  (sorry, don't know the english word...)
[10:38] <butcherbird> JoeBlow: try cfdisk
[10:38] <Seveas> Pygi, -ETOPIC
[10:38] <JoeBlow> butcherbird, is it a prog, or command?
[10:38] <orospakr> jmg, in breezy? I got the impression it was on by default...
[10:38] <Tyrsis> Can someone help me with installing a Wireless Adapter using ndiswrapper ?
[10:38] <mwe> freak_: just look at the file, please. I don't know fluxconf
[10:38] <Pygi> seveas: yup, I'll stop
[10:38] <tolstoy> ubu: I thought dag's repo was for fedora: rpms, pretty much.  has that changed?
[10:39] <butcherbird> JoeBlow: sudo cfdisk its a prog
[10:39] <mwe> freak_: just search for session.menuFile
[10:39] <gnomefreak> no tolstoy they still are as far as i know
[10:39] <ubu> yes. fedora and debian. But I hoped to be able to access them via ubuntu
[10:39] <stephen__> hi, i got problem. I downloaded Mozilla Firefox from website.
[10:39] <david_m_e> yatesy, after reviewing the saved text from earlier, i realized that i had forgotten to thank you - so, thanks - your info helped
[10:39] <freak_> mwe, fluxconf is just a GUI and it has a text field for the path to the menu file
[10:39] <stephen__> How do I get my plugins into the firefox
[10:40] <yatesy> david_m_e: lol no problem
[10:40] <poningru> stephen__: take a look at !firefox1.5
[10:40] <Seveas> ubu, that page mentions nothing about debian packages
[10:40] <Pygi> freaky: written anything??
[10:40] <stephen__> I read that guide
[10:40] <Tyrsis> I have a laptop.. Should I download the Horay version or download Breezey ?
[10:40] <poningru> !tell stephen__ about firefox1.5
[10:40] <stephen__> fooked me up!
[10:40] <freak_> mwe, HAHA!!! IT WORKED!!!
[10:40] <jmg> fama isnt even 0.1
[10:40] <mwe> freak_: yeah. great
[10:40] <freak_> mwe, thanks tons
[10:40] <Pygi> stephen: use ff1.6a1
[10:40] <stephen__> yeah that messed up
[10:40] <mwe> freak_: I don't know why it was broken
[10:40] <gnomefreak> very lil im gonna start after dinner again
[10:40] <Pygi> jmg: yes, I know :))))
[10:40] <stephen__> I got no flash, no java, no nothing anymroe
[10:40] <jmg> orospakr: it should be on by default
[10:40] <stephen__> use ff1.6a1?
[10:40] <poningru> Pygi: dont recomend 1.6 to normal users
[10:40] <butcherbird> Tyrsis: i would def go with breezy esp on laptop
[10:40] <Tyrsis> Ok
[10:40] <gnomefreak> stephen__, dont
[10:40] <_jason> stephen__, create symbolic links in the plugins folder to your old plugins like the wiki page explains
[10:40] <Pygi> poningru: well, it works just fine :))
[10:40] <ubu> so: ubuntu can only access what kind of packages? Only ones from the ubuntu distribution?
[10:41] <poningru> stephen__: its pretty unstable
[10:41] <mwe> freak_: I guess you can consider it a bug
[10:41] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, is that the only way? I have the two cards sitting next to me not in either computer. Can I use the ubuntu hardware manager to see the chipset if I install it into it?
[10:41] <stephen__> but... when i uninstalled it
[10:41] <freak_> mwe, does your fluxbox use menu or fluxbox-menu
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Pygi, it has a crashing problem on win :(
[10:41] <stephen__> it messed up my FIREFOX
[10:41] <Seveas> ubu, .deb packages
[10:41] <poningru> Pygi: there are tons of bugs in 1.6 branch right now
[10:41] <Seveas> no rpms
[10:41] <orospakr> jmg, yeah, that's my problem. I want to disable it, and I can't find a system-wide asound.conf. which is really confusing.
[10:41] <Pygi> freaky: well, don't use win :P
[10:41] <poningru> well 1.9
[10:41] <gnomefreak> lol Pygi
[10:41] <Tyrsis> ~[ butcherbird ] ~ I did have a problem with my wireless will that possibly fix it ?
[10:41] <Pygi> poningru: found none yet, but even if I find, I think I can deal/fix them
[10:41] <ubu> Aha. deb is something different from debian?
[10:41] <poningru> yeah you can
[10:41] <tolstoy> jmg: i've some gaim beta packages.  I think you can make 'em easily enough, but I've got gaim and guifications.
[10:41] <poningru> but how do you know if stephen__ can?
[10:41] <mwe> freak_: it uses fluxbox-menu. I guess I must have changed it and forgot about it
[10:41] <Seveas> ubu, no
[10:42] <stephen__> what?
[10:42] <sklav> hey guys were does xmms-skins install to?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> .deb=debian
[10:42] <Seveas> sklav, dpkg -L xmms-skins
[10:42] <Mitch_Owen> MonsieurBon, I think I might be able to use this.... http://kwifimanager.sourceforge.net/
[10:42] <Seveas> sklav, I guess /usr/share/xmms/something
[10:42] <MonsieurBon> Mitch_Owen, if ubuntu recognizes that there is any card at all, it should show the chip. But as I said, I'm no expert. maybe someone else could help you better.
[10:42] <gnomefreak> debian is too long for a file extention
[10:42] <sklav> Thank you Seveas
[10:42] <JoeBlow> how come sudo nano /etc/fsdisk doesnt work for me?
[10:42] <mika0800> Thorio, maybe you should make a bug report to either the Ubuntu team or kernel developers. If you do, please mention also, that 3Com Etherlink III mo0del 3c509B does not work
[10:42] <JoeBlow> bring me a empty nano thing
[10:42] <Seveas> JoeBlow, /etc/fstab, not /etc/fsdisk
[10:42] <poningru> sklav: also check .xmms/skin
[10:42] <gnomefreak> JoeBlow, try sudo gedit see if that works
[10:42] <butcherbird> Tyrsis: dont have much experience with wireless cards not lucent or such but breezy seems all around better for hardware support
[10:42] <mwe> freak_: however I think it's a bug
[10:42] <JoeBlow> seveas, way to many beer <<
[10:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/appd_06.html section D.6.2 might help
[10:43] <mika0800> I thing the problems are with all 2.6 -kernels. 2.4 -series kernels work just fine.