[00:43] <razor__> hola
[00:43] <razor__> alguien me ayuda
[00:54] <Daskreech> !es
[00:56] <SIR_Taco> that's good to know
[01:31] <SIR_Taco> well crap, I don't know why I even read Slashdot anymore... about 1 in 10 are interesting/accurate
[01:56] <razor____> thanks dude
[01:59] <razor____> help me
[01:59] <razor____> in irc spanish , no way
[01:59] <razor____> im problem configure ati x1250 on linux
[02:00] <razor____> drivers ati "libre" no funk
[02:00] <razor____> i will instale openSUSE 11.4??
[02:01] <razor____> help me ,please
[04:26] <bart__> kiuh
[07:38] <nullkuhl> hello, i have downloaded kubuntu 11.04 at installation screen where the checkmarks for disk space, power source, etc. exist, i press next to go to disk setup, but i get a busy cursor forever.. any idea ? (i had the prev, kubuntu version installed on the same laptop some time ago as well )
[07:42] <nullkuhl> hello
[08:33] <SubSAssassin> hello everybody
[08:33] <SubSAssassin> what a nice monsun day here in lancashire ;)
[09:27] <BlaXpirit> Hello. After recent update Flash plugin does not work anymore. What's the problem?
[09:28] <Peace-> BlaXpirit: remove the new flash
[09:28] <Peace-> and install the older
[09:28] <BlaXpirit> well, where do I find the older?
[09:29] <Peace-> BlaXpirit: here /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:29] <Peace-> there are all the pacakges you have downloaed
[09:29] <Peace-> downloaded
[09:29] <BlaXpirit> nice to know.
[09:29] <BlaXpirit> ah, there's the version that originally came with the distro.
[09:30] <Peace-> for the orinal package you can download from  here http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:31] <BlaXpirit> Peace-, there's only current version in that directory. I'll go for <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 (natty)
[09:31] <Peace-> BlaXpirit: i see, probably  the system has cleaned the cache
[09:32] <BlaXpirit> OK, it's fixed.
[09:32] <BlaXpirit> thanks for help
[09:32] <Peace-> BlaXpirit: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/allpackages
[11:37] <MrTKusa> Hello?
[11:37] <jussi> hello
[11:37] <MrTKusa> I need help
[11:37] <jussi> !ask
[11:38] <esmirlin> hey guys i'm having problems with kde 4.7 with netbook plasma ... i can't delete or choose app's as favourites ones to set them into the top bar :S any idea?
[11:40] <jussi> esmirlin: how have you been trying to do it?
[11:41] <MrTKusa> I put in the CD and the first screen of Kubuntu 11.4 shows up but if I choose to "start Kubuntu" then all I get is big blocks (graphic error) .  Any ideas?
[11:41] <esmirlin> like normal way, before i just placed the mouse over the app i wanted to keep and it appeared a little icon (a star) so i clicked and then i got it :S
[11:42] <jussi> MrTKusa: which graphics card do you have?
[11:43] <MrTKusa> nvidia  - EVGA 420 GT, I think
[11:44] <esmirlin> jussi: no idea, i have a asus eee 1005PE but with previous versions i could do it :S
[11:45] <jussi> esmirlin: have you tried right clicking the favourites and adding widgits in the bar? tried drag and drop to there?
[11:45] <jussi> MrTKusa: have you given it time to load?
[11:45] <esmirlin> yes but it doesn't work either :S
[11:47] <jussi> esmirlin: I dont run it myself, so Im sorry I cant help more. perhaps ask also in #kde ?
[11:50] <MrTKusa> yes, I can see and read the HELP info from the first screen,  but once I hit "Start Kubuntu" the screen changes to black, then the blocks looking screen and nothing further.  It also happened with my attempt ti install Kubuntu 10-4
[11:57] <MrTKusa> My video is GeForce GT 240    for certain
[12:02] <MrTKusa> that is a Nvidia card
[12:06] <MrTKusa> still there jussi?
[12:09] <MrTKusa> anyone there?
[12:10] <Peace-> MrTKusa: mmm
[12:10] <Peace-> bad driver
[12:11] <MrTKusa> from the live drive?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <Peace-> MrTKusa: in the live menu chhose another option
[12:12] <Peace-> i guess tehre is a safe mode
[12:12] <Peace-> i guess there is
[12:12] <Peace-> for problematic video cards
[12:13] <MrTKusa> How would I get there?
[12:16] <MrTKusa> No guru's online at this time?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> nope just helpers , what's your issue ? , MrTKusa
[12:18] <Peace-> MrTKusa:  http://mchainpoetics.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/image67.png this is a screen
[12:18] <Peace-> MrTKusa: you need to search on mode or "other option" failsafe mode
[12:18] <MrTKusa> I cannot even start Kubuntu 11.04 from the live disk, I hit Start Kubuntu and just get a block pattern on my screen
[12:20] <MrTKusa> My first creen is different from that one
[12:20] <MrTKusa> screen*
[12:21] <Peace-> MrTKusa: it should be pretty similar
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Peace-, MrTKusa , maybe the "alternate" install cd will work
[12:21] <BluesKaj> !alternate | MrTKusa
[12:21] <Peace-> well yes alternate stuff would works but it's a bit more complicated
[12:22] <MrTKusa> I will look again for a failsafe mode
[12:22] <MrTKusa> if not then I will try Alternate
[12:23] <Peace-> MrTKusa: yours it's this http://www.linoob.com/wp-content/flagallery/kubuntu-installation/01booting-kubuntu-live.png
[12:23] <Peace-> MrTKusa: that is the same of ubuntu , anyway you have to search for failsafe
[12:23] <Peace-> i don't remember well
[12:23] <Peace-> anyway alternate cd it's better if you have this kind of problem
[12:25] <MrTKusa>  ok, very well then I will try that........ty
[12:31] <zl> is it a instant messenger?
[12:31] <Pici> wat?
[12:31] <Pici> er, What?
[12:32] <zl> what is this program for?
[12:32] <bazhang> zl  IRC?
[12:33] <zl> english is not my native language .....
[12:34] <bazhang> zl this is Kubuntu support channel, NOT im
[12:34] <BluesKaj> ok , back ....had a nad lag
[12:34] <BluesKaj> bad
[12:37] <OttovonBismarck> does anyone know how to make kopete use num pad enter as a send message button rather than an append line button
[12:37] <OttovonBismarck> i've tried changing the shortcuts in settings to no effect
[12:38] <carl_> :)
[12:39] <carl_> :(
[12:40] <OttovonBismarck> in fact changing shortcuts seems to have literally no effect on send behavior no matter what keys, or combination of keys invoked
[12:40] <BluesKaj> OttovonBismarck, maybe the ppl at #kopete can help you
[12:41] <OttovonBismarck> in either the version in the repos or the latest via LP
[12:41] <OttovonBismarck> ah, true BluesKaj, ta
[12:42] <bazhang> zl with kubuntu yes; please ask in the channel and not via PM, there may also be a language specific channel for you if feel more comfortable trying there
[12:50] <zl> thanks.
[13:02] <ubuntu> hi
[13:02] <ubuntu> got a boot up problem
[13:09] <ubuntu> "/tmp not yet ready"
[13:13] <BluesKaj> ubottu, you have to tell us where in the boot process this happens
[13:13] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, , you have to tell us where in the boot process this happens
[13:13] <bazhang> or ubuntu ^
[13:14] <ubuntu> first notification i get is - "invalid environment block"
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, no grub menu then ?
[13:16] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: no
[13:16] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, livecd or a finished install ?
[13:16] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: finished install on a USB disk
[13:18] <BluesKaj> bazhang, I'm not real up to date on USB install procedure , are you ?
[13:18] <bazhang> ubuntu yet you are on a live session now
[13:18] <bazhang> BluesKaj, somewhat
[13:19] <ubuntu> bazhang: yes i'm on a live session to get help
[13:19] <bazhang> ubuntu, using what tool? unetbootin ?
[13:20] <ubuntu> bazhang: no; used the 'install kubuntu' application from live CD
[13:21] <bazhang> ubuntu, to  a usb stick? and it failed?
[13:22] <ubuntu> bazhang: it was successful; have been using it for sometime
[13:22] <bazhang> ubuntu, so whats the problem, exactly? when did it stop working
[13:22] <ubuntu> bazhang: a download using Firefox was in progress when power failed; and on booting this time it gave this problem
[13:23] <bazhang> ubuntu, do you have the exact error message?
[13:24] <ubuntu> bazhang: yes; on startup - "invalid environment block Press any key to proceed"
[13:25] <bazhang> ubuntu, and what about booting into recovery mode
[13:25] <ubuntu> bazhang: then i get - "error reading device on /" and on pressing F for Automatic Fix it shows - "/tmp not yet ready"
[13:25] <ubuntu> bazhang: how do i do that?
[13:25] <kyubutsu> ubuntu: check this link and see if it fits your situation real quick:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1285098
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, have you tried recopying the image file to the USB stick ?...the power failure may have corrupted the data.
[13:26] <bazhang> ubuntu, hold shift at boot ?
[13:26] <ubuntu> bazhang: ok will try the link and recovery mode; thank you
[13:27] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: recopying image file to USB stick is like re-installation right? i want to preserve my previous installation and filesystem
[13:28] <BluesKaj> bazhang, but that site is about legacy grub not grub2 ...the situation might be very different in grub2
[13:29] <kyubutsu> might? :-/
[13:29] <bazhang> BluesKaj, kyubutsu 's link?
[13:29] <kyubutsu> wouldve couldve
[13:29] <BluesKaj> bax yes, sorry , kyubutsu 's link
[13:29] <BluesKaj> bazhang,
[13:30] <bazhang> hehe
[13:30] <bazhang> !grub2 | ubuntu here's the grub2 info
[13:30] <bazhang> augh he quit
[13:31] <kyubutsu> same error message in two different grub versions? my bet is it will work
[13:32]  * kyubutsu slams poker ships on table
[13:32] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, your site might work ..but the grub version isn't mentioned , so it's iffy
[13:33] <kyubutsu> pfft
[13:33] <BluesKaj> smae to you
[13:34] <kyubutsu> so, what about alpha3 iso being 701mb.. cant put that into a cdR  >:(
[13:34] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, I did
[13:35] <bazhang> kyubutsu, #ubuntu+1 for alpha stuff
[13:35] <BluesKaj> cdrw aamof
[13:35] <kyubutsu> i only have 700mb discs
[13:35] <kyubutsu> indeed, bazhang
[13:35] <kyubutsu> -_-
[13:40] <ubuntu> bazhang: holding down shift doesnt work; i'm using Kubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal
[13:41] <kyubutsu> i like rekonq. but it freezes EVERytime.. i can almost predict when it's going to freeze; random pages too, video, plain text, no matter
[13:41] <kyubutsu> ugh
[13:43] <kyubutsu> at least this time was able to download the debug symbols, maybe i'll catch something with it
[13:44] <kyubutsu> o.0
[13:45] <ubuntu> error details: "/dev/sdd1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY"
[13:45] <ubuntu> error details: "mountall:fsck/[349] terminated with status 4 mountall:Filesystem has error:/"
[13:50] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, you have to hold the shift down, right after the bios scrn
[13:50] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: tried doing that; nothing happens; goes to blue screen that says "invalid environment block"
[13:53] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, looks like you need to try  a 'new image' ...copy a new one to a disk /USB
[13:54] <ubuntu> i tried to delete files from 'tmp' through the live CD but it says 'read only file system'
[13:54] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: Does that mean my profile, filesystem, data will be wiped?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> where ?
[13:55] <ubuntu> on the USB
[13:56] <BluesKaj> how did you put ubuntu on the USB , originally ?
[13:57] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: i ran the live CD for 11.04; it has an application that says 'Install Kubuntu 11.04'; chose the USB disk while selecting target disk for installation
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ubuntu,  never heard of that, or do you want a portable OS
[14:00] <BluesKaj> most ppl install to their HDDs
[14:01] <BluesKaj> or SSDs
[14:01] <ubuntu> yes i wanted a portable OS that is why i installed it on an 8GB USB stick
[14:01] <bazhang> ubuntu, use unetbootin to do it
[14:02] <ubuntu> bazhang: ok but that means i'll have to format the disk first right?
[14:03] <bazhang> ubuntu, you only have the one?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, well, that's basicxally the same as a live cd ...it's not a complete install due to the difference in hardware between machines ...you can't just "expect it to work'
[14:03] <BluesKaj> is not the same as a live cd is what i meant
[14:04] <ubuntu> BluesKaj:i do not fully comprehend you; it is a full install right?? and it did work; i've been using it for quite a long time now; and there have been no inconsistencies like these before
[14:05] <ubuntu> bazhang: yes i have only one
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, you're better off just copying the live cd and using it that way..you can't install ubuntu to a USB ..it needs the apropriate hardware drivers to work on a particular machine , that's what an "install" does
[14:06] <bazhang> ubuntu, you did the persistent install then?
[14:07] <ubuntu> bazhang: i do not know; it looks similar to a full install; how do i differentiate?
[14:08] <bazhang> ubuntu, one saves data between reboots, one does not, is essentially like using a live cd
[14:08] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: agreed; but i've used the stick on various machines without any problems;
[14:09] <ubuntu> bazhang: this install is not persistent then; it saves data immediately on the disk; i can use it normally
[14:10] <ubuntu> bazhang: i got what you said; i'm affirmative this install is not a persistent install
[14:11] <BluesKaj> yeah ubuntu , unetbootin is the best way to go ..I agree with bazhang
[14:11] <ubuntu> there have been instances of un-graceful shutdowns or power failures but system configuration and other data has been consistent
[14:12] <ubuntu> ok; so i should re-install 11.04 using unetbootin?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, yes
[14:13] <ubuntu> Ok :) thank you
[14:43] <zimba12> hi
[14:44] <zimba12> since I installed Kubuntu 11.04, the clock displayed in kde is always behind the actual time
[14:44] <zimba12> it kind of "loses time"
[14:55] <alvin> !ntp
[15:17] <BluesKaj> zimba12, panel clock or desktop clock ?
[15:20] <zimba12> BluesKaj: the panel clock
[15:20] <zimba12> it's already synchronized with ntp
[15:20] <zimba12> actually it crashes when I change ntp server
[15:22] <genii-around> !info zonbeminder > genii-around
[15:22] <genii-around> bah
[15:22] <genii-around> !info zoneminder > genii-around
[15:24] <Peace-> genii-around: hihih
[15:24] <BluesKaj> right click on it , choose digital clock settings, beside the date format on the right is a small wrench icon , click on that ..you can set everything there , then go back and choose set date and time by right clicking again
[15:24] <BluesKaj> zimba12, ^
[15:24]  * genii-around slides Peace- a tasty coffee
[15:25] <Peace-> good
[15:27] <zimba12> BluesKaj: there is no date format in the digital clock settings
[15:28] <BluesKaj> zimba12, right click , choose adjustr date and time
[15:28] <BluesKaj> on the clock
[15:28] <zimba12> that's different from digital clock settings
[15:29] <BluesKaj> of course if your time is out of sync
[15:29] <BluesKaj> re-adjust the time
[15:30] <zimba12> I meant: Digital clock settings is different from "Adjust.."
[15:30] <zimba12> anyway, I know how to adjust the time
[15:30] <zimba12> but this doesn
[15:30] <zimba12> t fix the issue
[15:31] <BluesKaj> how different , you may need to set the time zone etc to your area , sometimes the pc clock isn't in sync with the regional settings
[15:32] <zimba12> I think you misunderstood the problem
[15:32] <zimba12> however I adjust the time, after a while, it will be out of sync
[15:33] <zimba12> even if I use "date" from command line
[15:33] <BluesKaj> I see your in Waterloo ON , or close to it .so make sure your time zone etc is set in system settings locale
[15:33] <BluesKaj> you're
[15:34] <zimba12> BluesKaj: you keep not understanding
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I understand the panel clock isn't showing the correct time
[15:35] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :PPPP
[15:36] <BluesKaj> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Peace-, :PPPP ? ...what's that mean ?
[15:37] <Peace-> BluesKaj:  :-P => hi man :D
[15:38] <BluesKaj> hi Peace-
[15:38] <zimba12> BluesKaj: it's 11:37 here, but tz-data shows "Local time is now:      Fri Aug 12 11:31:54 EDT 2011"
[15:40] <BluesKaj> zimba12, did you try the  command , sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[15:40] <zimba12> that
[15:40] <zimba12> gives Local time is now:      Fri Aug 12 11:31:54 EDT 2011
[15:40] <zimba12> even though it's 11:40 here
[15:41] <BluesKaj> zimba12, run the command then reboot , see if the time resets itself properly on boot
[15:42] <zimba12> BluesKaj: it doesn't, I've already tried
[15:42] <BluesKaj> zimba12, the only bug Iknow of with the panel clock is it's inability to reset 12 hr AMPM eevn tho the sttings show the 12 hrs time in the dialog
[15:43] <zimba12> BluesKaj: I don't think it's a problem with the panel
[15:43] <zimba12> I guess it's with ubuntu in general
[15:43] <zimba12> even date shows incorrect time
[15:44] <BluesKaj> well, I have to go for a while , maybe some one else has an idea about this ...BBL
[15:44] <BluesKaj> my panel clock is fine except for the 12 hr thing
[15:50] <zimba12> BluesKaj: thanks for the help, anyway
[16:14] <javier__> Hi. I'm in kubuntu 11.04 and have a problem with grub2: keyboard of my laptop doesnt work and can't choose between my different SO (I need to boot in windows) Any idea how to repair grub2? maybe reinstall?
[16:21] <OerHeks> javier__, do you use an USB keyboard ?
[16:22] <OerHeks> javier__, i misread, you use laptop :(
[16:43] <akseya> hello folks :)
[16:44] <akseya> i'm installing kubuntu 11.04 on my notebook, it is downloading a package at 88%
[16:45] <akseya> it says it will download in 234:11 .. i don't want to wait :(
[16:45] <akseya> I tried to click on the X button on the side of the progressbar, but it had no effect
[16:46] <akseya> also, i have installed the same version on my desktopn yesterday, and it have already downloaded all packages, with scp i copied the files to /var/cache/apt/archives
[16:46] <akseya> how can I cancel this download and install the package manually?
[16:50] <akseya> ok.. never mind, it finished
[17:08] <javier__> my laptop's keyboard stopped working in grub 2 (kubuntu 11.04). Someone guess how to fix it?
[17:12] <Daskreech> javier__: When does your keyboard kick in?
[17:12] <Daskreech> akseya: \o/
[17:14] <hyper_ch> hmmmm, howdy.... how can I find out if an init.d script is being started at bootup with startup?
[17:14] <akseya> i'm updating the system using that packages I already downloaded ;).. what I think is strange is that kubuntu didn't recognize my Bluetooth USB token...
[17:14] <akseya> lets see after upgrade and reboot
[17:15] <akseya> hyper_ch: you could try installing rcconf
[17:15] <javier__> Daskreech: is the keyboard of my laptop, is inside
[17:15] <akseya> then you can select which scripts you want to enable/disable at boot
[17:16] <akseya> javier__: the problem is just with grub? after you boot, does it work?
[17:16] <javier__> akseya: right, later it works perfect
[17:17] <javier__> by the way: once I'm in kubuntu, can I go from here to my windows 7 somehow without using grub? (not restarting I mean)
[17:17] <hyper_ch> akseya: it seems the latest upgrade did disabled statd from starting at bootup
[17:17] <akseya> javier__: take a look at your bios setup, if USB keyboard is enabled
[17:17] <hyper_ch> not sure if that's a kubuntu ppa issue or an ubuntu one
[17:17] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: logs?
[17:18] <javier__> akseya: but is nothing related with USB keyboard, is the keyboard of my laptop
[17:18] <Daskreech> javier__: Same suggestion as akseya. My USB keyboard wouldn't kick in till post Grub (and Bios) Was quite a nnoying
[17:18] <akseya> i know, but sometimes it is recognized as an USB device
[17:19] <javier__> akseya, Daskreech: so, you think that even is not an USB keyboard, enabling it in BIOS may fix it in grub?
[17:19] <akseya> javier__: also, take a lok ad USB Legacy Support
[17:19] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: http://pastebin.com/wYkBciWv
[17:19] <akseya> javier__: yeap, i really believe that :)
[17:19] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: it somewhat looks similar to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/581941
[17:20] <javier__> ok, I will try :)
[17:20] <Daskreech> javier__: something like that. :)
[17:22] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: should I add my problems to that bug report? or rather the one that said it has a fix released?
[17:24] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: starting it manually works?
[17:24] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: it did
[17:24] <Daskreech> upstart bug then?
[17:24] <javier__> akseya, Daskreech: there is nothing about USB keyboard in BIOS...
[17:25] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: don't know.... it seems to have tried to start it
[17:25] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: file a bug and ask in #ubuntu-devel
[17:25] <akseya> javier__: how about USB Legacy support?
[17:25] <javier__> akseya: what is that?
[17:26] <javier__> akseya: i'm in grub2, not legacy
[17:28] <akseya> legacy support is something like " old suport"
[17:28] <javier__> ammm
[17:28] <Daskreech> javier__: This isn't grub this is your BIOS
[17:29] <javier__> Daskreech: ok, i mistook because I was before with grub-legacy ;P
[17:29] <Daskreech> it can search for USB Input devices on start up  (And floopy drives etc) that delays how long it takes to be "ready"
[17:30] <Peace-> !repository | mauri
[17:30] <javier__> Daskreech: and what could I do with that? could I make shorter that time?
[17:32] <javier__> well, thanks anyway. I don't have more time. Will try again tomorrow
[17:32] <javier__> thaks!
[17:40] <teo_> hello, I recently switched off power management service in my KUBUNTU laptop due to a memory leak bug. Does anyone know how can I control screen brightness without power management services? I googled the issue but I could not find any working solutions.
[17:42] <Lord^Anubis> laptop-mode-tools ?
[17:42] <Lord^Anubis> there should be a module that can control it for you; what kind of laptop?
[17:44] <akseya> damn... i forgot about the screen brightness too.. i had to add something on my grub.cfg
[17:44] <teo_> laptop is HP probook 4710s with Kubuntu. The bug was a memory leak due to battery
[17:44] <akseya> I formated my notebook and forgot to backup the conf :(
[17:48] <teo_> I never used laptop-mode-tools before... do you have a good url for tutorial?
[17:48] <Lord^Anubis> hmm, i'm not too familar with kubuntu, but its always worked for me :/
[17:49] <Lord^Anubis> ^ laptop-mode-tools
[17:51] <Lord^Anubis> hmm, so i guess you need an alternate power management service
[17:56] <Lord^Anubis> hmm, /proc/acpi/video/something/something/LCD/brightness should have your brightness level, but there should be a way to use some other utility like laptop-mode-tools or xbacklight http://linux.die.net/man/1/xbacklight
[18:01] <Lord^Anubis> teo_: first i'd probably just apt-get install laptop-mode-tools, and turn off that spin down setting for the hard drive
[18:01] <Lord^Anubis> see how it works?
[18:04] <teo_> thanks a lot... I will test it.
[18:05] <Lord^Anubis> and as with new modules, you may need to reboot.... or modprobe laptop-mode-tools
[18:31] <madd0x> Hello,when im trying to run any exe with wine...nothing happend is open and after 1minute closing automaticly wht can i do or what happening?
[18:41] <Pici> madd0x: #winehq is your best bet for wine questions.
[18:46] <BlaXpirit> How come KSnapshot doesn't capture mouse cursor even though the checkbox indicates it should?
[18:55] <BlaXpirit> bump
[18:58] <soee> how can i uninstall plasmoid via console ?
[18:59] <BlaXpirit> plasmapkg -r xxxxxx
[18:59] <BlaXpirit> soee: [forgot to mention u]
[19:00] <BlaXpirit> soee: does it work?
[19:01] <soee> BlaXpirit, no can find, maybe because iv compiled it from source :/
[19:04] <BlaXpirit> well, i got this from my "plasmoid reinstall sh script": plasmapkg -r name; plasmapkg -i name.zip
[19:05] <BlaXpirit> There's probably no such thing as "install plasmoid from source" ... I just archive the thing and install it with "plasmapkg -i"
[19:32] <BlaXpirit> Oh well, I hate to say this, but Shutter is better :(
[20:20] <linux-beginner-h> are there digikam 2.0 users?
[20:23] <dant3> hey guys
[20:23] <linux-beginner-h> I have the problem described in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262212
[20:25] <dant3> I'm using kubuntu for a long time already... but first time I can`t install it... I`m finishing with "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system". I tryed everything that I was found on forums about this, I even tryed cd`s with other distros but they all are having the same problem
[20:26] <Daskreech> dant3: fsck the system?
[20:26] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: WHich version of Digikam?
[20:26] <Daskreech>  oh 2.0 :)
[20:26] <Daskreech>  MIght check in the #digikam chan?
[20:26] <dant3> Daskreech: you mean hdd? There is nothing to fsck yet
[20:26] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: no response from digikam :-)
[20:27] <Daskreech> dant3: It's not partitioned?
[20:27] <dant3> Daskreech: yep
[20:27] <dant3> Daskreech: brand new
[20:27] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: Patience I suppose
[20:27] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech:  I have a large image collection and tagging by hand is impossible :-)
[20:27] <Daskreech> dant3: Assigned a /dev/ file?
[20:27] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: By which you mean tedious :)
[20:28] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech:  yes :-)
[20:28] <dant3> Daskreech: i tryed to search for a /dev/ files for devices but there is nothing reasonable non for hdd, nor for cdrom. So I havent even live system booted, only initramfs with ash
[20:29] <dant3> Daskreech: maybe it`s not the point but it looks like windows installing well, I'm just started to install it and created a little partition for it
[20:29] <Daskreech> dant3: ls /dev/sd* gives you what?
[20:30] <dant3> Daskreech: there is no /dev/sd*
[20:32] <crushpest> does anybody know what the name of the side on the right side is: http://tinyurl.com/3faydq9
[20:34] <gomiboy> dant3: maybe your chipset isn't yet supported by the kernel... do you know which chipset is it? Or at least your motherboard model?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> crushpest, desktop widgets ?
[20:36] <gomiboy> crushpest: i think it's conky, but it's for gnome
[20:37] <dant3> gomiboy: Intel(R) H61 Express Chipset Family with Intel pci bridge
[20:37] <Daskreech> dant3: does it turn up in the BIOS?
[20:37] <Daskreech> crushpest: conky?
[20:38] <dant3> gomiboy: I have a gigabyte PA65-UD3-B3 motherboard
[20:38] <crushpest> k i will look
[20:39] <dant3> Daskreech: I searched the bios, tryed to switch sata mode from ahci to ide but result is the same. can`t find something else related there
[20:40] <Daskreech> dant3: does it list the drive as a device in the BIOS?
[20:40] <dant3> Daskreech: yes, of course, I even able to install windows on this PC
[20:41] <dant3> Daskreech: witch means cdrom is working, hdd too, it have one little partition since now on (install is about to end)
[20:46] <Daskreech> dant3: hmm which version of Kubuntu ?
[20:46] <dant3> Daskreech: I tryed both 10.04 and 11.04 both i386 and amd64, tryed opensuse 11.4 and mageia 1
[20:48] <dant3> Daskreech: also parted magic witch is a livecd linux system doesn`t boot with same symptoms
[20:50] <Daskreech> dant3: initramfs ?
[20:51] <Daskreech> dant3: can you disconnect the drive and see if they boot
[20:51] <dant3> Daskreech: yep
[20:51] <dant3> Daskreech: I tryed that too
[20:51] <Daskreech> and?
[20:52] <dant3> Daskreech: I'm having a kernel panic after I'm trying to resume booting cause of unable to mount root system
[20:54] <dant3> Daskreech: I get the same if I will not disconnect the drive and just try to exit from shell to continue booting
[21:00] <gomiboy> dant3: try to boot with a 11.10 cd: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[21:00] <dant3> just tryed Sabayon linux 5.4, it`s still the same, but sabayon pleased me to enter device name or shell for shell :)
[21:01] <dant3> gomiboy: ok
[21:06] <Daskreech> dant3: hmm
[21:06] <Daskreech> dant3: I'm going to go with your CD drive is not plugged in properly?
[21:09] <dant3> it looks like not only new PC is against linux, cause my connection witch is 2mbps is lacking at around 100kbps now
[21:10] <dant3> so I will have a long time for downloadiing
[21:10] <dant3> Daskreech: then how is that CD drive readed and installed windows system?
[21:12] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: do you know... if there is a replacement for digikam where face recognition is working?
[21:13] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: well I know it uses a libface. Was that installed?
[21:13] <Daskreech> dant3: What's new on the PC?
[21:13] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: yes... libface and opencv are both installed
[21:14] <dant3> Daskreech: everything, from case to hdd
[21:14] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: face detection works fine... but face recognation does nothing
[21:15] <dant3> Daskreech: cpu, motherboard, graphical card, hdd, cdrom
[21:15] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: on the command line I receive the error "QImage::scaled: Image is a null image" which is also described in the bug
[21:22] <Daskreech> dant3: have You tried a daily?
[21:22] <dant3> Daskreech: gomiboy just told me to try, I'm downloading it atm
[21:22] <Daskreech> dant3: you are in Windows now I presume
[21:23] <dant3> Daskreech: yes, from the PC we are talking about, enjoying kde on windows :P
[21:26] <BluesKaj> dant3, must be vastly improved for windows ...tried it a few yrs ago , it was brutal
[21:29] <dant3> BluesKaj: konversation, kopete, kget and amarok works well
[21:30] <dant3> BluesKaj: at least in a packaged compiled with VS2008
[21:31] <BluesKaj> ok,  dant3
[21:31] <dant3> BluesKaj: the only sad thing is that there are no plasma package, it compiles only with mingw iirc, but with mingw there are some problems with amarok
[21:31] <BluesKaj> bbl
[21:32] <Daskreech> dant3: :-D
[21:32] <Daskreech> I've been trying to get KDE-edu on windows on the local schools
[21:32] <dant3> if I should have a choise between plasma and amarok on windows, I'm choosing amarok :)
[21:33] <dant3> Daskreech: our schools are using linux mostly from recent time
[21:35] <Daskreech> dant3: How did that come about?
[21:37] <dant3> Daskreech: it`s a government program of using opensource software at schools and state agencies
[21:37] <Daskreech> Which policy is that?
[21:38] <dant3> Daskreech: there are Alt Linux for school
[21:38] <Daskreech> sounds good. Would love to get in touch with that Dept :)
[21:39] <dant3> Daskreech: don`t be so dreamer, I tryed Alt Linux, it`s awfull
[21:40] <Daskreech> Oh I don't care that much about Alt Linux Ijust wanted to have a contact for someone in favour of a open policy for schools
[21:40] <dant3> Daskreech: it`s used cause it`s the only distro witch is a local for our country
[21:40] <Daskreech>  I can work whatever Linux is needed into the policy
[21:40] <Daskreech> dant3: Well seems there is a simple solution to that problem :)
[21:42] <dant3> Daskreech: :)
[21:49] <Daskreech> dant3: Using the built indrivers for the Mobo?
[21:50] <_dreamy> hi, im having touble finding the update manager .. starting from the start menu
[21:52] <_dreamy> but my main issue is that id like to reset all the settings ive done ever since i installed "driconf" .. my pc started running alot slower after i installed and changed settings
[21:53] <Daskreech> _dreamy: uninstall driconf ?
[21:54] <_dreamy> Daskreech:  yes , and have all the setting ive changed , reset
[21:54] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get remove driconf --purge
[21:54] <_dreamy> k ty
[22:02] <_dreamy_> : The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[22:02] <_dreamy_> anyone knows this error?
[22:08] <mahdi> hello
[22:08] <mahdi> I have Problem with gyachi massenger : this is output in terminal http://pastebin.com/acUCLDiF
[22:10] <gomiboy> mahdi: so you get "ugly output"? :)
[22:11] <mahdi> gomiboy ugly ?!
[22:12] <mahdi> in gyachi receive : could note connect to server . and in terminal this :http://pastebin.com/acUCLDiF
[22:14] <xadrin> \list
[22:15] <gomiboy> mahdi: that's what you pasted says: expect ugly output... anyway, that all seems warnings, check you have ttf-dejavu installed, that's all i can say...
[22:17] <mahdi> gomiboy no ... this package not installed .. wite to install this
[22:17] <mahdi> wait to install this ...
[22:18] <Daskreech> _dreamy: try apt-get update
[22:25] <shane2peru> how can I rsync from wine directory to wine directory?  across lan??  rsync -avuz -e ssh user@domain:/home/user/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/app/ .wine/drive_c/Program Files/app/
[22:26] <shane2peru> I tried rsync options "user@domain:/home/user/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/app/" ".wine/drive_c/Program Files/app/"  and that didn't work either.
[22:26] <shane2peru> I threw in a backslash as recommended by another page, and nothing
[22:26] <shane2peru> I know I have done this before, but can't seem to do it in a pinch
[22:30] <gomiboy> shane2peru: you mean user@PCNAME(or IP), not user@domain, right?
[22:30] <shane2peru> gomiboy: right
[22:31] <shane2peru> life would be easier if Windows wasn't around. :)  I wouldn't have to worry about this Space in the directory name stuff.
[22:32] <gomiboy> shane2peru: then the command seems fine... what error do you get? Hehe the space isn't a big problem :)
[22:33] <shane2peru> rsync: link_stat "/home/shane/.wineTW/drive_c/Program" failed: No such file or directory (2)
[22:33] <shane2peru> rsync: link_stat "/home/shane/.wineTW/drive_c/Program" failed: No such file or directory (2)
[22:34] <shane2peru> same error, different command, I keep moving the quotes, and changed them to back quote, and added a slash in there nothing seems to work correctlly
[22:35] <shane2peru> rsync -avuz -e ssh shane@laptop:"/home/shane/.wineTW/drive_c/Program\ Files/The\ Word/Books/" "/home/shane/.wineTW/drive_c/Program Files/The Word/Books/"
[22:35] <shane2peru> ok, that finally worked
[22:35] <gomiboy> shane2peru: mmm maybe that happened to me also... use quotes and back slash together, like: "Program\ Files"... there :)
[22:36] <shane2peru> notice I only used them for the remote host??  odd.
[22:36] <shane2peru> something funny about remote and local host commands there.
[22:42] <Daskreech> shane2peru: you can use "" to capture the space
[22:43] <Daskreech> ah you got it :)
[22:44] <shane2peru> Daskreech: right, got it, had to play around with it, how would I use that? ""  rsync -options user@pc:/home/user/directory" "name/  /home/user/directory" "name/  ??
[22:46] <Daskreech> no more like "directory name"
[22:46] <Daskreech> or if you prefer 'directory name'
[22:47] <Daskreech> doing directory" "name would just give /home/user/directory across. the name would get dropped
[23:13] <ssfdre38> would Rsync copy file permissions when its used?
[23:15] <nfrs> where do I start figuring out why I have no sound with pulseaudio?
[23:15] <nfrs> using natty
[23:16] <dant3> Daskreech: ok, I'm writed DVD and will reboot to try it
[23:16] <nfrs> everything worked fine until I installed the pulse-related packages (as dependency for another package). now neither pulse, nor alsa works. furthermore, the only "audio device" I see is digital, whereas I use analog output
[23:17] <Daskreech> ssfdre38: If you tell it to
[23:18] <nfrs> tried #pulseaudio, they said I need to seek help here
[23:18] <Fang> hey can anybody tell me how i can join quakenet?
[23:34]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[23:45] <dant3_> ok, it works now
[23:45] <dant3_> first time I got same error
[23:46] <dant3_> but then I went to bios and changes sata mode from ide to ahci
[23:46] <dant3_> and livecd booted well
[23:46] <dant3_> althrough slow
[23:50] <dant3_> thanks for helping


[00:06] <alkisg> dgroos1: can you test 2 things?
[00:07] <alkisg> 1) sudo gedit /usr/share/sch-scripts/scripts/server/runas-sudo-user
[00:07] <alkisg> exec "$@"
[00:07] <alkisg> # Now, check some necessary environment variables
[00:07] <alkisg> (i.e. put the exec line right above that comment)
[00:08] <alkisg> 2) double click on a client. vinagre will open, but not show anything. Go to the menu and enable reverse connections. It should then work fine.
[00:08] <alkisg> (i'll fix both of them properly of course, but in the mean time that should get you going...)
[00:12] <dgroos1> alkisg: I tested with some restarting clients and sch-scripts and things work great again at the server.
[00:12] <alkisg> OK, try those above, they should allow it to work on thin clients too. ^^^
[00:13] <dgroos1> I've really got to run (actually bike :)) home as I'm way late for dinner! but I'm going to copy these fixes and get back to it tomorrow morning when I get back to school.  Thanks so much!
[00:13] <alkisg> OK, bye bye!
[00:13]  * alkisg is a biker too :)
[00:14] <dgroos1> what's the motor, you or mechanical?
[00:14] <alkisg> Me
[00:14] <alkisg> Sold the mechanical one :)
[00:15] <dgroos1> as well, for me, though I've still got the mechanical one hanging around under a tarp :)
[00:57] <alkisg> dgroos1: OK, I properly fixed it, here's the correct "runas-sudo-user" script: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sch-devs/sch-scripts/trunk/annotate/head%3A/sch-scripts/scripts/server/runas-sudo-user
[05:07] <Ahmuck> dgroos1: looking over your video tutorial
[05:08] <Ahmuck> dgroos1: i'm not a programmer, but i'd be willing to work with you when i have time to assist you.
[14:02] <coz_> hey guys... I have noticed this occurring with edubuntu but lucid in general.... there are times...frequent times...that when opening synaptic the system freezes
[14:03] <coz_> I have to  go into text console   as root   killall synaptic   log in... open  software sources first then open synaptic for it to work
[14:03] <coz_> any suggestions?
[14:03] <dgroos1> Good morning all
[14:04] <coz_> dgroos1,  good morning
[14:05] <dgroos1> coz_: I've not had that issue with Synaptic, yet, though not used it much, usually I do the sudo apt-get install thing.
[14:05] <coz_> dgroos1,  same here but at times...when doing support I need to opne synaptic  and this seems to be a consistent issue
[14:07] <dgroos1> I wish I had some good advice but the level of specificity would be something like "try googling" :)  sorry I can't help.
[14:08] <dgroos1> alkisg: (8:08 + 8 = 16:08) and good afternoon.
[14:11] <dgroos1> alkisg: looking at the logs, it looks like you came up with a more permanent solution.  Will I need to re-do the translations after I add said file to it's location on the server?  Do I just restart sch-scripts afterwards?
[14:12] <coz_> dgroos1,  no problem I found one report on it with no solutions however
[14:36] <dgroos1> Ahumck: Saw your comment from last night.  I think that would be cool.
[14:36] <dgroos1> I must say that that video is lns, not mine.
[14:36] <dgroos1> Seems like one of the first things we need to do is to create a wiki page linking to help videos that we feel are good.
[14:37] <dgroos1> Maybe with comments about what version they apply to, what they are good at explaining, how to improve, etc.
[14:38] <dgroos1> That way we don't have to reinvent the wheel and it respects the work people have done.
[14:53] <alkisg> dgroos1: no, just copy that one file over the existing one. A problem still remains though, that if the teacher starts sch-scripts from a thin client, they'll be able to "see themselves"
[14:53] <alkisg> So maybe "lock screen" could even lock their screens, not sure. I'll have to look into that too.
[14:57] <dgroos1> alkisg: I was kinda embarresed about this last night so I didn't mention it but when I was experimenting with the 'lock screen' function the first one I locked was my own :)
[14:58] <alkisg> Heh
[14:58] <alkisg> Temporarily, select the other users beside the one operating sch-scripts. I"ll solve that too soon.
[14:58] <dgroos1> And then I went to another computer, logged in as a different user, opened up sch-scripts and unlocked it from there--it worked!
[14:59] <alkisg> (when we were programming this, we never thought the teacher wouldn't sit on the server :D)
[14:59] <dgroos1> Can you remind me the name of the file that contains the translations?
[14:59] <alkisg> sch-scripts.glade? you don't need to touch that at all
[15:01] <dgroos1> right, that was it.  I need to back it up so that when I do the update and it overwrites that file, I'll simply copy/paste between my translations and the new glade file.
[15:01] <alkisg> Right
[15:01] <alkisg> But there's no automatic update yet, you need to copy a file manually
[15:01] <dgroos1> btw -- how about a new name for sch-scripts, like, 'greek-goodness' or something catchy like that :D
[15:01] <dgroos1> OK
[15:02] <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sch-devs/sch-scripts/trunk/annotate/head%3A/sch-scripts/scripts/server/runas-sudo-user
[15:02] <alkisg> :P
[15:03] <alkisg> It's probably a bad name, I got carried away because we use the *.sch.gr domain for schools here. Maybe something "classroom administration" related...
[15:04] <alkisg> In 2 years, we'll rewrite it from scratch and properly add internationalization and everything. Plus a new name. :)
[15:06] <dgroos1> Classroom Administration or CA for short.  People in California and Canada would like that!
[15:17] <dgroos1> alkisg: Works!!!
[15:18] <dgroos1> Couple of questions...
[15:18] <alkisg> Shoot
[15:19] <dgroos1> Is there a way to make it so that a users full name shows up under the thumb nail of their screen?
[15:20] <alkisg> Not yet, but we thought of adding an option for that later on (like it's now for the "users" panel)
[15:21] <alkisg> i.e. users > show full name, we'll add that to the terminals menu too
[15:23] <dgroos1> That would be a useful feature.  Is there a way to know which screen corresponds to which computer besides keeping a list that corresponds ltsp# with computer location? (Also I know about show properties.)
[15:26] <dgroos1> Arrg... just realized I've got a meeting that starts in a few minutes... be back in an hour or so...
[15:26] <alkisg> Me too, in 2 hours, bye
[16:51] <dgroos1> alkisg: My other question is maybe more important...
[16:52] <dgroos1> A different question: our set up is different than yours. We've got 2 classrooms running on the same server.  Is there a way to use groups such that you make all users of 1 teacher in one group...
[16:52] <dgroos1> and all users of the other teacher in another group...
[16:53] <dgroos1> and then by selecting a group on the left, only the computers used by the users in that group show up.
[16:54] <dgroos1> Otherwise, there might be 20 computers in my class and 20 in the other class, making 40 thumbnails that would need to be managed, though half wouldn't be of interest to me...
[17:07] <Ahmuck> grouping by mac address
[17:08] <Ahmuck> with different tabs for different groups
[17:18] <dgroos1> Ahmuck: that would be a great solution--not sure if it works on sch-scripts is the thing.
[17:19] <dgroos1> Have you seen sch-scripts?  It's the Greek answer to iTALC in a sense, customized for their setting.  I've installed it and after translating the interface it is great, much more stable/quick than iTALC.
[17:59] <Ahmuck> i've seen a screenshot
[17:59] <Ahmuck> anybody know why sbeanlves dropped out?
[18:41] <dgroos1> alkisg: my other question starts here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/26/%23edubuntu.html#t16:51 (didn't realize you were out of the room).
[18:43] <alkisg> Hmm....
[18:46] <alkisg> dgroos1: No, currently there's no such possibility. For us, when we have multiple classrooms, we also have multiple servers (2 low-end servers are cheaper than 1 high-end server for us)
[18:47] <alkisg> We could add such a grouping option, but I don't think anyone will do it now. So that too would have to wait 2 years :)
[18:47] <dgroos1> Makes sense.
[18:48] <alkisg> (a lot of ui changes would be needed, to add/remove classrooms, which gets unecessarily complicated for our needs)
[18:49] <alkisg> We could make a "group" option in the background though, if it suits you
[18:49] <dgroos1> Right.
[18:49] <alkisg> E.g. if the teacher is in group "classA1", we can arrange that he only sees students that belong to the same group, "classA1"
[18:49] <dgroos1> I do appreciate you working with me on this...
[18:49] <alkisg> So, not really classroom related, but group related
[18:50] <dgroos1> That, actually, is what I was imagining when I saw the 'group' function on the left side.
[18:51] <alkisg> The group management there is to better organize the students, their files etc, but not for PC management
[18:51] <dgroos1> Do you mean that only the clients which were logged-in by students in group x would show up when clicking on 'group x' in the group tab?
[18:52] <alkisg> E.g. "add these users to classC1", and then "select classC1 and classC2 and delete all their files because they graduated", stuff like that
[18:52] <alkisg> dgroos1: no, I mean a new option not currently shown in the iu
[18:52] <alkisg> ui
[18:52] <alkisg> "show only users that belong to group X"
[18:53] <dgroos1> How possible would that be to make something like that?
[18:53] <dgroos1> It would be perfect for our use.
[18:54] <alkisg> There's a problem with the computers though, before the users log in
[18:55] <alkisg> Computers don't belong to groups. So nah, groups are not a good idea, it would have to be mac-address or hostname based
[18:56] <dgroos1> Right, because they would show always.  However, it would be a start because, at least I wouldn't see any screens of any student logged in unless they were in my class.  And if I could sort clients in the view window by logged in or not? then all unused clients would be at the bottom.
[18:59] <alkisg> dgroos1: unfortunately I don't want to give much time on sch-scripts development right now, because of my phd. But, let me think about it for a while, I may come up with an easy to implement idea that would work for you.
[18:59] <dgroos1> Thanks! :)
[19:30] <alkisg> dgroos1: we could put a filter in a menu, either an ip filter or a hostname filter
[19:30] <alkisg> E.g. "show only computers with hostname=classroom-a*"
[19:31] <alkisg> You'd have to "connect" each hostname with each mac address to dhcpd.conf or lts.conf for this to work, but that would have to be done anyway to separate the classrooms
[19:32] <alkisg> Unfortunately, currently sch-scripts doesn't store its settings "per teacher", so the teacher would need to do it every time it starts sch-scripts.
[19:37] <alkisg> (we could add support for per-teacher settings too though in a few lines)
[19:59] <dgroos1> alkisg:  just got back to computer... It sounds like you are saying that, I could make a list that would connect a hostname with MAC addresses and that one could filter based on hostname? but...
[20:00] <alkisg> (yup, that's what I'm saying, and a new "filter box" would be added to the toolbar - better there than a menu)
[20:00] <dgroos1> ... it would be lost upon restart or teacher logout/login BUT with a few lines of code, it could be saved?
[20:01] <alkisg> The filter would be lost (currently) when starting sch-scripts, so the teacher would need to type "classa" to the filter each time it starts sch-scripts
[20:01] <alkisg> Yes, with a few lines it could be saved
[20:02] <dgroos1> Man that would be sweet...
[20:05] <dgroos1> Would you do that?
[20:05] <alkisg> Nope, but I'm trying to convince phantomas in #linux.sch.gr to do it
[20:05] <dgroos1> :)
[20:05] <alkisg> If you want come over to that room and tell him too :P
[20:05] <dgroos1> ah... with my forceful text... ;)
[20:05] <alkisg> (he's also with limited time for development for the next 2 years though :()
[22:15] <Ricmat> I need some suggestions regarding how to implement Edubuntu over 20 computers that already have Ubuntu 10.04 installed....
[22:16] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop?
[22:17] <Ricmat> I'm trying to avoid downloading edubuntu 20 times on 20 different computers....
[22:17] <alkisg> Check for apt-proxy, it uses caching so that you download updates/packages only once
[22:17] <Ahmuck-Sr> clonezilla
[22:18] <alkisg> Also, one handy way to execute commands to multiple computers is clusterssh
[22:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> if the computers are all the same
[22:18] <alkisg> I used to use that before switching to fat clients.
[22:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> boot, and image the drive to multiple computers
[22:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> drbl or clonezilla, this is the way we've done it b4
[22:18] <alkisg> You install ssh, setup passwordless ssh, and then execute commands to all clients at once
[22:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> install, configure one, and then clone many
[22:19] <Ahmuck-Sr> or yes, use a proxy, mod the sources file and then always use the proxy for updates, etc.
[22:22] <Ricmat> Let me go back a bit.  I'm a linux novice, but managed to get ubuntu 10.04 installed on 20 school computers.  The computers are all connected to the internet, but I've not yet figured out how to connect to each other.  They have CD drives, but not DVD drives.  If possible, I don't want to reinstall a total distribution over the top of my original installations which I've spent many weeks tweaking.  I'd just like to get *only
[22:22] <Ricmat> * the stuff related to edubuntu, and install that on top of what I already have.  Sorry if this is a stupid question....
[22:25] <alkisg> Ricmat: you can ping to any computer by appending a ".local" to its name
[22:25] <alkisg> E.g. ping pc01.local
[22:25] <alkisg> So they're already configured to talk to each other
[22:25] <alkisg> You can select one of them to be a server, if you don't already have a server
[22:25] <alkisg> Install apt-proxy there, and setup the others to use that server for downloading packags
[22:25] <alkisg> packages
[22:26] <Ricmat> Ah.
[22:26] <alkisg> If you google for apt-proxy, you'll find a lot of how-tos
[22:26] <alkisg> The "server" one should better have a static ip. Not necessary, but much easier this way.
[22:29] <Ricmat> OK - so I install apt-proxy to e.g. computer number 1, then download the 2.3GB edubuntu distribution to the same machine.   Then I set up all computers to use that machine (with a static IP) to use that machine as the server.  And more info is available about apt-proxy?  Am I restating this properly?  BTW I can set up the "server" to have a static IP.
[22:29] <alkisg> Ricmat: no
[22:30] <alkisg> You install apt-proxy to computer 1, and then install edubuntu-desktop to all of them
[22:30] <alkisg> That automatically takes care of downloading everything only once
[22:30] <alkisg> So, you'll download much less than 1Gb
[22:30] <alkisg> (not sure about the exact size of the dependecies of edubuntu-desktop)
[22:30] <alkisg> But you dn't need the distribution if you already installed ubuntu
[22:31] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy
[22:33] <alkisg> (edubuntu-desktop says it needs to download 350 MB on my ubuntu PC, so I guess you'll need about that)
[22:33] <Ricmat> I'm not sure how to download only the edubuntu related additions to ubuntu.  At the edubuntu web site, the only options seem to be for the total 2.3GB distribution.
[22:33] <alkisg> Ricmat: that's the only command you need, after configuring apt-proxy: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[22:34] <alkisg> Or, if you don't want to use a command, just install edubuntu-desktop from synaptic
[22:34] <alkisg> That will get you a full edubuntu desktop
[22:34] <Ricmat> OK - I'll give that a try.
[22:36] <Ricmat> Thanks for your help.  This is the first time I've tried this forum (and even had to install Xchat just to do that!).
[22:37] <alkisg> There's a web front end too
[22:37] <alkisg> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=edubuntu
[22:37] <alkisg> Also, the preinstalled empathy program has irc support
[22:37] <alkisg> But xchat is also a good choice
[22:39] <alkisg> highvoltage: maybe we could add a link to webchat.freenode to the edubuntu.org page?
[22:39] <alkisg> ...many teachers don't know how to use irc...
[22:41] <Ricmat> The edubuntu.org page is where I saw the IRC reference.  I'm actually at home on an XP computer, so I don't use empathy.  BTW - the networking aspects of ubuntu were way down on my to-do list, but now that the start of school is almost here, it got elevated suddenly.
[22:42] <Ricmat> Bye for now.
[22:42] <alkisg> Bye, good luck
[23:11] <Akihiko> I have a problem.
[23:11] <Akihiko> Whenever i try to install Ubuntu, it is stuck at the loading screen.
[23:12] <alkisg> For general ubuntu questions, you can try in #ubuntu, you'll get more answers there
[23:13] <Akihiko> They're assisting someone else
[23:14] <alkisg> There are hundends of people there, I'm sure they can help more than one in parallel - that's how they usually do it
[23:14] <alkisg> If you don't get an answer, try again after a while, or even try the mailing lists or the forums
[23:20] <highvoltage> alkisg: good idea
[23:25] <alkisg> Yeah embedding is a good option, we use that in http://www.ubuntu-gr.org/webchat
[23:26] <highvoltage-edub> hmm, just need to adjust height...
[23:29] <highvoltage> alkisg: it links from the community page now
[23:29] <alkisg> Cool!
[23:30] <alkisg-web> And the size is fine
[23:30] <highvoltage> cool


[01:28] <Stanley00> "As a huge surprise move for Valentine's Day, Mark Shuttleworth has announced Ubuntu Linux will be abandoning the Upstart init system and be migrating to systemd." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYwNDE
[01:28] <SuperLuserv2> [ [Phoronix] Ubuntu To Abandon Upstart, Switch To Systemd ] - www.phoronix.com
[01:28] <Stanley00> systemd anywhere... :))
[03:35] <SuperLuserv2> KeyError: u'khanhpt' (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/willie/coretasks.py", line 273, in track_part)