[18:48] <teolemon> hey
[18:48] <UbuPhillup> hi teolemon
[19:01] <teolemon_> 8 o'clock are ringing in London
[19:01] <teolemon_> http://s3.freefoto.com/images/31/07/31_07_16_web.jpg
[19:02] <teolemon_> is anyone here ?
[19:02] <UbuPhillup> yes me teolemon_
[19:03] <teolemon_> 1
[19:03] <UbuPhillup> with you: 2
[19:03] <teolemon_> yes :-)
[19:04] <UbuPhillup> Hendrik has no time to come
[19:04] <teolemon_> ok
[19:04] <teolemon_> and hannie told me that she may not be able to come this week
[19:04] <teolemon_> due to Pentecote
[19:05] <UbuPhillup> what about YoBoY ?
[19:05] <teolemon_> not answering to pings :-/
[19:05] <YoBoY> ?
[19:05] <UbuPhillup> hi YoBoY
[19:05] <YoBoY> hi
[19:06] <YoBoY> teolemon_, stop pinging me everywhere :D
[19:06] <teolemon_> ah hi
[19:06] <teolemon_> lol
[19:07] <teolemon_> we've managed to reach a consensus during uds
[19:07] <teolemon_> to mutualize ressources and time
[19:07] <teolemon_> and launch a multilingual portal for translations
[19:07] <teolemon_> and we'd need either a clone of the French website
[19:07] <teolemon_> or a fresh drupal install
[19:08] <teolemon_> for developpement purposes
[19:08] <teolemon_> before we move it to translations.ubuntu.com
[19:08] <teolemon_> and I was wondering whether it was possible to host it on the French servers ?
[19:09] <teolemon_> no extra server load as it will only be for testing
[19:09] <YoBoY> I already backlogued the session of yesterday.
[19:09] <YoBoY> and already asked to the sysadmins, but no response atm
[19:10] <YoBoY> (it was only 2 hours ago ;))
[19:10] <teolemon_> aaaw
[19:10] <teolemon_> cool
[19:10] <YoBoY> you know… friday night… :)
[19:10] <teolemon_> you're brilliant
[19:11] <teolemon_> so I guess we put on hold the website until we get a response
[19:11] <teolemon_> and skip to the next topic
[19:11] <YoBoY> yes
[19:11] <teolemon_> but things are moving on :-)
[19:11] <YoBoY> I asked if we have a server available for your tests/site/whateveryouneed
[19:11] <YoBoY> don't expect a good one ;)
[19:11] <teolemon_> or even a vhost
[19:12] <teolemon_> or anything
[19:12] <YoBoY> but to start building the website this will suffice
[19:12] <teolemon_> next up is a plead
[19:13] <teolemon_> sur to UbuPhillup_ and other translators looking at this log:
[19:13] <teolemon_> have 15 minutes this week
[19:13] <YoBoY> to answer the capabilities of a Drupal, it can be translated in lot of languages, my blog is on a drupal and you can read it in english and french depending where you are :)
[19:13] <teolemon_> so confirmed
[19:13] <teolemon_> neat
[19:14] <UbuPhillup> ;)
[19:14] <teolemon_> so 15 minutes
[19:14] <teolemon_> to have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/
[19:14] <teolemon_> and search for language spécific bugs
[19:14] <teolemon_> german
[19:14] <teolemon_> french
[19:14] <YoBoY> if someone not in france wants to confirm http://yoboy.fr shoud be in english (WIP atm btw, so sorry for the design :))
[19:14] <teolemon_> etc
[19:15] <teolemon_> and check whether they still apply in Raring
[19:15] <teolemon_> and update them accordingly.
[19:15] <teolemon_> if it can be solved at team level, please assign them to your language team
[19:16] <teolemon_> otherwise, escalate
[19:16] <teolemon_> we're now below 400 bugs
[19:16] <teolemon_> and ideally we should be well below thay
[19:16] <teolemon_> some bugs have been untouched for several releases
[19:16]  * YoBoY check on is todo list "take over the translation group", one more step to have ubuntu in french by default :D
[19:18] <teolemon_> oh you have a secret todo list ^^
[19:18]  * UbuPhillup and the german team check bugs alswell ;)
[19:18] <YoBoY> it's the goal of all the french community you know, seb128 already told it, didrocks too, rickspencer announced that also… :D
[19:19] <teolemon_> ^^
[19:19] <teolemon_> I could see a conflict with #1
[19:19] <teolemon_> unless we convert the whole planet to French
[19:19] <YoBoY> that's on another todo list
[19:19] <teolemon_> ok :-)
[19:19] <teolemon_> next topic:
[19:20] <UbuPhillup> YoBoY: and no the default language shoult be german
[19:20] <YoBoY> :D
[19:20] <UbuPhillup> ;)
[19:20] <teolemon_> weil niemand richtig Deutsch sprechen kann
[19:21] <teolemon_> :-P
[19:21] <teolemon_> the HealthCheck
[19:21] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: ja genau und noch 90 Mio. andere ;)
[19:21] <teolemon_> ^^
[19:22] <teolemon_> basically David had done a healthcheck
[19:22] <teolemon_> he had a template
[19:22] <teolemon_> and a script to extract emails for the translation coordinators
[19:22] <teolemon_> to send them the survey
[19:24] <teolemon_> i have a draft email
[19:24] <teolemon_> and a draft google form
[19:24] <teolemon_> but no script yet
[19:25] <teolemon_> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1RQHreoJem8wxH9Rq_E7m3AL5z9JlUR84znCQaQeST_A/edit
[19:25] <teolemon_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ujAZcFDXv8PySzfWWyrhT8BV9ylPHXGF3S5hBpA56T8/edit
[19:25] <teolemon_> not publicly shared yet
[19:26] <YoBoY> we can fill it ?
[19:27] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: looks good ;)
[19:27] <teolemon_> not ready yet
[19:27] <YoBoY> for the form, 3. How usable do you think Ubuntu is in your language? which value is the best ? ^^"
[19:27] <teolemon_> i have to transfer the questions from David's old survey
[19:28] <teolemon_> and we need to add more relevant questions we may have
[19:28] <UbuPhillup> only for Applications ?
[19:28] <UbuPhillup> ohh okey
[19:28] <teolemon_> here's the original post
[19:28] <teolemon_> http://davidplanella.org/ubuntu-translation-teams-healthcheck/
[19:29] <teolemon_> and survey
[19:29] <teolemon_> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PKKC6KM
[19:29] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: when do you think it will be ready ?
[19:29] <teolemon_> can you help on transferring the questions ?
[19:30] <teolemon_> I'll try to transfer some questions this week end
[19:30] <teolemon_> but help is appreciated
[19:31] <teolemon_> i just need google emails
[19:31] <teolemon_> or accounts
[19:31] <teolemon_> to add you as a collaborator
[19:33] <teolemon_> ok done
[19:35] <teolemon_> once it's ready, we'll send it to team leaders
[19:35] <teolemon_> with a two week window
[19:36] <teolemon_> i think we need to ask as well about the content or tools they night be able to contribute to the global portal
[19:36] <teolemon_> as well as technical skills
[19:37] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: okey worked, but the next weak Im not at home so i can help fist after that
[19:37] <teolemon_> ok
[19:39] <teolemon_> I don't have any burning items
[19:39] <teolemon_> left
[19:40] <teolemon_> on the plate
[19:40] <teolemon_> the main topics are going forward
[19:40] <teolemon_> and UDS has helped a lot in terms of developper attention
[19:40] <teolemon_> I have commitments
[19:40] <teolemon_> about the LangPacks
[19:40] <teolemon_> about the Application Scope
[19:41] <teolemon_> and possibly Software Centre
[19:41] <teolemon_> the only blackpoint is Launchpad
[19:41] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: should i send the log for this convention to Hendrik so that he can help too ?
[19:41] <teolemon_> but I'll ping Danilo this week to have a quick high level chat
[19:41] <teolemon_> yes
[19:42] <teolemon_> and to Hannie as well
[19:42] <teolemon_> if possible
[19:42] <teolemon_> but Hannie and Sylvie
[19:42] <teolemon_> are going to be busy like hell about Ubuntu Manual
[19:42] <teolemon_> which actually is a topic
[19:42] <teolemon_> I had forgotten about
[19:42] <UbuPhillup> i dont have Hannies and Sylvies emails so …
[19:43] <teolemon_> I'd very much like to advertise Ubuntu Manual translations on the list
[19:43] <teolemon_> as it's a tremendously useful ressource
[19:43] <teolemon_> and it'd be great to get it out in more languages
[19:43] <teolemon_> although it's not an official ubuntu project
[19:44] <UbuPhillup> for german we are ready to publish Precise-e2, so it move forward
[19:45] <teolemon_> we're correcting Raring :-P
[19:45] <teolemon_> Sylvie has worked like hell
[19:45] <teolemon_> and actually, you can import precise
[19:45] <teolemon_> as fuzzy
[19:46] <teolemon_> and most of the work is done for raring as a result
[19:46] <teolemon_> that's why we've been so quick
[19:46] <teolemon_> (and we added machine translations as a starter for the rest)
[19:46] <teolemon_> ok
[19:47] <teolemon_> Ok, so anyone got anything to say ?
[19:47] <UbuPhillup> yes i think some one do that and now for raring ~250 left ;)
[19:47] <teolemon_> to quote the Bride in Kill Bill
[19:48] <teolemon_> "Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the fucking time! "
[19:48] <YoBoY> (for those who don't know me here, i'm the french loco team leader/contact/president/bestcook)
[19:49] <teolemon_> his tiramisu is excellent
[19:49] <UbuPhillup> hihi
[19:49] <UbuPhillup> ;)
[19:49] <YoBoY> I don't do tiramisu :(
[19:49] <teolemon_> he's been food bribing his way
[19:49] <YoBoY> it was Havoknovak
[19:49] <teolemon_> i remember one
[19:49] <teolemon_> aaah
[19:49] <teolemon_> I remembered it as yours
[19:49] <teolemon_> my bad
[19:50] <YoBoY> no problem :)
[19:50] <teolemon_> well, he's competing with Havok as the lead cook
[19:50] <YoBoY> lol, his far behind me ^^
[19:52] <teolemon_> well then
[19:52] <teolemon_> have a nice evening everyone
[19:52] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: bye
[19:52] <YoBoY> bye teolemon_ thanks for the meeting :)
[19:52] <UbuPhillup> and bye YoBoY
[19:52] <YoBoY> bye UbuPhillup
[19:52] <YoBoY> I idle 24/7, so if needed, just ping me ;)


[21:38] <Broly> hello i would like to report my problems with another user you've given a cloak to. i understand ignore works wonders, but in this case the user clearly claimed he would "stop" talking to me after the first encounter
[21:38] <Broly> and yet he proceeded to try again, likely stemming from his inferiority complex when comparing his latino heritage to my indo-greek heritage
[21:38] <Broly> a form of "assertion" if you will
[21:38] <ikonia> what's up
[21:39] <Broly> https://pastebin.com/J4K3cmCS
[21:39] <Broly> one sec i will get the second log which is fresh
[21:40] <Broly> https://pastebin.com/g6a702vX
[21:40] <Broly> all i ask is that you guys deal with this issue
[21:40] <ikonia> I don't see you involved in that conversation ?
[21:40] <Broly> i'm usually not a tattle tale
[21:40] <Broly> i'm countrumford
[21:40] <Broly> but in this case i cannot handle the number of lies by this individual in hopes of "winning" an argument
[21:40] <Broly> i really don't care about him and i put him on ignore, but i had higher expectations of people with the ubuntu cloak
[21:41] <ikonia> what channel is this in ?
[21:41] <Broly> dd-wrt
[21:41] <Broly> he should have put me on ignore after the first encounter but he just didn't want to
[21:41] <ikonia> so it's not really anythig to do with this team - the guy isn't being racist or anything like that to warrent removal of the cloak that I can see in my skim reading
[21:41] <elky> ok, so save me from reading all that, are you asking us to scold someone for lying in a channel we have no control over?
[21:41] <Broly> what about poor representation?
[21:41] <Broly> no
[21:42] <Broly> i'm asking what the requirements are to have the claok. is there not some expectation of ambassadorship?
[21:42] <Broly> are you saying that you allow others who get this cloak to behave however they so choose?
[21:42] <ikonia> I'm not actually sure what he's doing wrong from skim reading
[21:42] <ikonia> and I see you goading him
[21:42] <leftyfb> he has it in my head that I'm a "beaner" (his words, not mine). Not sure why.  The guy is clearly a troll and/or has some deeper issues
[21:42] <Broly> do you not have expectations of your users to use the 'ignore' feature?
[21:42] <ikonia> [3:09:51 PM] <Broly> who are you, what do you do? aside from thinking you're cool with your little ubuntu cloak
[21:42] <ikonia> [3:10:03 PM] <Broly> must i post the chat where your stupid ass tried to redefine "chat" as forum, because obviously english isn't your first language?
[21:43] <ikonia> no-one mentioned ubuntu cloaks, but you seemed to have made an issue out of it and used it as a wepon against him
[21:43] <Broly> i didn't say i wasn't being rude, did i?
[21:43] <ikonia> no, but I'm just clarifying
[21:43] <Broly> he is using it as a weapon against others in a dd-wrt channel
[21:43] <Broly> it is clearly being used to project aptitude
[21:43] <ikonia> I don't see him referencing his ubuntu cloak
[21:43] <Broly> he doesn't have to
[21:43] <Broly> that's the whole point of it
[21:43] <Broly> and you know it
[21:43] <Broly> don't play that game
[21:43] <leftyfb> lol
[21:43] <ikonia> no it's not
[21:43] <Broly> if it didn't matter he'd be on an unaffiliated cloak
[21:43] <Broly> but it clearly mattesr. when i asked him what he contributed he gave no answer
[21:44] <elky> this is a waste of our time.
[21:44] <ikonia> agreed
[21:44] <Broly> so there are no expectations of those with the ubuntu cloak?
[21:44] <Broly> they are free to behave as they would if they had an unaffiliated cloak?
[21:44] <Broly> just want to be clear here
[21:44] <elky> yes.
[21:44] <leftyfb> just for the record, I am proud of and do enjoy the representation of Ubuntu. But I also do not understand why this guy is so hateful to me and others and has latched onto the fact that I have a cloak
[21:44] <Broly> is it easy to get an (i like 'a' here, phonetic 'y' and all) ubuntu cloak?
[21:45] <ikonia> Broly: you have to contribute to the project
[21:45] <ikonia> it's documented on the wiki
[21:45] <Broly> then why didn't he answer me when i asked what he contributed. he kept deflecting
[21:45] <ikonia> ask him
[21:45] <Broly> he wanted to assert himself so he should have presented what he felt gave him the basis to act the way he did
[21:45] <ikonia> he's  under no obligation
[21:45] <Broly> I DID
[21:46] <ikonia> he's not referenced his cloak
[21:46] <ikonia> he doesn't have to provide details to you
[21:46] <elky> Broly: he's under no obligation to do anything for you
[21:46] <ikonia> only you seem to be making an issue of it
[21:46] <leftyfb> I told him, because I didn't think it was relevant to me mentioning him constantly posting garbage to an open source chat. Not sure what my credentials have anything to do with it
[21:46] <Broly> not really an issue, it's more about the use of the cloak as a fictitious badge
[21:47] <ikonia> it's not fictiious
[21:47] <elky> Broly: please leave.
[21:47] <ikonia> and no-one is referencing the cloak other than you, so there isn't really anything to discuss
[21:47] <Broly> it is a fictitious badge given what you've stated.
[21:47] <ikonia> ok, I think we're done
[21:47] <Broly> you guys are just like him, lol. so pretentious
[21:47] <elky> it's certainly not one we're going to pull from him just because he annoyed a random person
[21:47] <ikonia> ok
[21:47] <ikonia> thanks, bye
[21:47] <Broly> linaro and arm nosediving and this is how you behave
[21:47] <elky> please go
[21:48] <Broly> elky may i ask where you get off talking like that?
[21:48] <elky> that's where
[21:48] <Broly> okay?
[21:48] <Broly> you think you're smarter than me?
[21:48] <elky> i asked you several times to go
[21:48] <Broly> just wondering
[21:48] <ikonia> leftyfb: I wouldn't give this a second thought
[21:49] <leftyfb> ok, good. It wasn't just me. He's like that to anyone he doesn't immediately like.
[21:49] <ikonia> carry on with your day and try not to give this a thought
[21:49] <ikonia> it just seems like a pointless attempt at noise
[21:50] <leftyfb> he was booted him #raspberrypi a while back for spewing hateful and offensive garbage as well. He just seems to have targeted me recently
[21:50] <elky> he's now harassing in my pm so it's a network harassment issue
[21:50] <ikonia> leftyfb: forget it and enjoy whatever you where doing
[21:50] <leftyfb> I'll admit, I was feeding the troll a bit. It seems he just keeps getting angrier at himself. A bit amusing to watch really.
[21:50] <ikonia> leftyfb: you didn't break the channels rules, it's not a problem
[21:51] <leftyfb> thank you
[21:51] <leftyfb> sorry to have brought this on you guys
[21:51] <elky> if he continues to harass you in ubuntu land because of whatever happened elsewhere, let us know. if he continues to follow you around namespaces, let staff know
[21:51] <ikonia> leftyfb: 90 seconds out of our day, not a problem at all
[21:51] <elky> and probably set ignore first
[21:52] <leftyfb> nah, I think I'll just let his fire burn itself out at this point. Otherwise I fear him doing a simple google search and getting personal. Something I don't have the time for these days.
[21:52] <leftyfb> and look at that, that's exactly what he did
[21:56] <elky> anything else we can help you with?
[21:57] <leftyfb> no, thank you. I was just wondering if he would come in here lying about anything. But he just dug his own grave.
[21:57] <leftyfb> oh right, topic. Sorry. Cyas


[06:11] <mint> hey guys
[06:11] <mint> anybody here?
[06:11] <mint> how do i install linux from usb to my hdd? i installed it on the usb flash drive and i need some help to install it on the hard drive
[06:15] <mint> anybody here?
[06:22] <mint> hey guys
[06:22] <mint> anybody here?


[00:00] <charged> ahh gnome-schedule :D
[01:15] <ali1234> andylockran: build it yourself: i7-6700 with a MSI ECO motherboard, as much RAM and SSD as you can afford
[01:58] <init_1990> Hey guys, I would like to know if anyone over here studies/studied at De MontFort University. I will be enrolling for BS Software Engineering at DMU this fall and would like to get soe feedback as I really don't have anyone in the uk to ask ?
[08:45] <zerous> hi :)
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <zerous> hey
[09:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Susan B Anthony Day! 😃
[09:59] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[10:01] <zerous> guys, I would like to know if anyone studies/studied at De MontFort University. I am planning to join for BS Software Engineering this fall but have none to ask for suggestions/recommendations ?
[10:02] <zerous> If anyone has had any prior experiences with DMU, please let me know, I am in the dark atm.
[10:22] <davmor2> JamesTait:  does this work I think it is the message she was trying to convey right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U
[11:22] <popey> 200 quid for an x230 - not bad http://www.tier1online.com/728-2324a39-b-screen/lenovo-thinkpad-x230-intel-core-i5-3320m-2-60ghz-grade-b-screen
[11:22] <popey> i mean, it's a 4 year old laptop...
[11:41] <TwistedLucidity> I wonder what's available brand new for the same price and how it would compare
[12:11] <popey> x260 is latest i guess
[12:56] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, and it costs a wee bitty more than £200!
[15:22] <diddledan> interesting discussion on Snappy, Flatpak, et al on the Lunduke Hour; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PTtlOP09hY
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Is the "Lunduke Hour" any good?
[15:31] <diddledan> I've been enjoying it
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> Has is presentation style improved? (Or is it just me that it grates with?)
[15:31] <diddledan> just you :-p
[15:32] <TwistedLucidity> Thought so
[16:05] <ali1234> i can't stand him either
[16:09] <SuperMatt> What's the takeaway from the lunduke hour?
[16:31] <ali1234> now they're waffling about how everyone should just use OBS
[16:32] <ali1234> "you can get packages out in a couple of weeks!"
[16:33] <ali1234> apparently the answer to all these problems is everyone should just use a rolling distro
[16:33] <ali1234> they seem to have completely gone off the topic of app bundles without reaching any conclusion on it
[16:34] <ali1234> basically they're just reciting opensuse advertising materials now
[16:39] <ali1234> okay that's enough of that
[16:44] <SuperMatt> OBS?
[16:44] <ali1234> opensuse build service
[16:45] <ali1234> think launchpad PPAs, but without the project management, issue tracking, and merge requests
[16:45] <ali1234> and with an utterly incomprehensible interface
[16:45] <ali1234> and no documentation
[16:45] <ali1234> oh but it can build debs *and* rpms
[16:45] <SuperMatt> I just can't get on with OpenSuse. Whenever I want to install packages from a non-standard repo, I feel like it's always fighting against me
[16:45] <ali1234> by writing an arcane configuration script
[16:46] <ali1234> which is also largely undocumented
[16:46] <SuperMatt> Frankly, since I switched to Fedora (from about version 21, I think), I've never wanted to change distro
[16:47] <ali1234> last time i installed fedora the package manager didn't even work
[16:47] <SuperMatt> It's pretty close to upstream, a great representation of what the next centos will be like, and is extremely stable these days
[16:47] <ali1234> it feels like never ending ubuntu+1
[16:47] <SuperMatt> what do you mean by that?
[16:47] <ali1234> and if you have a problem they just wait 6 months and then yell at you for using an out of date version
[16:48] <ali1234> what i mean by that is every time i have tried it, it has been broken beyond usability out of the box
[16:49] <ali1234> eg you can't install anything because RPM is broken in the stable release ISOs
[16:49] <SuperMatt> Really? I haven't had any such issue in the last 3 years
[16:50] <ali1234> i gave up on fedora completely at around 17
[16:50] <SuperMatt> Ah, that was a pretty dark time for fedora. 16 and 17 were terrible
[16:51] <ali1234> i only use ubuntu LTS releases now
[16:52] <ali1234> its kind of unfortunate for fedora if they were going through a bad patch at exactly the time everyone was trying to get away from ubuntu
[16:53] <ali1234> but after evaluating all the competitors in ~2012 i had to conclude that ubuntu was still miles better than any of them
[16:56] <SuperMatt> Without trying to have a go at you personally, I get quite frustrated at people who enjoy the freedom of FOSS, but pointblank refuse to re-evaluate software when new versions are released. There are so many unity and gnome haters who tried it once in their respective infancies and refuse to ever try them again.
[16:57] <ali1234> i used unity for two years
[16:57] <ali1234> my dad still uses it
[16:57] <ali1234> it hasn't changed at all since i stopped using it
[16:58] <ali1234> i tried out unity7 on a phone a couple of months ago - it's awful
[16:58] <SuperMatt> Oh I'm not saying you dislike unity, but there are too many people who go "I tried X during beta 0.1, didn't like it, and now I will use my experience to trash it online"
[16:58] <SuperMatt> That's unity 8, iirc
[16:58] <ali1234> and yes it was an extended test. i had it on there for a few days
[16:58] <ali1234> oh yeah sorry
[16:58] <ali1234> i do dislike unity though
[16:58] <ali1234> i did however spend 2 years trying to like it
[16:58] <SuperMatt> What do you use?
[16:58] <ali1234> and i do like some of it
[16:59] <ali1234> i use xubuntu
[16:59] <SuperMatt> fair, it's light, and usable
[16:59] <SuperMatt> I use gnome shell simply because it stays out of my way
[17:00] <ali1234> all the things i don't like about unity are the same in gnome shell
[17:00] <ali1234> and ultimately they are copied from OS X
[17:01] <SuperMatt> Like what?
[17:01] <SuperMatt> because I love Gnome, but hate OSX with a passion
[17:01] <ali1234> like if i have 20 terminal windows open and nothing else, then precisely what use is a dock where they are all represented by one icon?
[17:02] <ali1234> that's basically what it boils down to. i dont like docks and i never will
[17:02] <ali1234> there are similar problems with the app switcher
[17:02] <SuperMatt> ah, well I don't like docks because I use exposé
[17:02] <SuperMatt> s/like/use
[17:02] <ali1234> expose is useless if you have 20 terminals!
[17:02] <ali1234> they all look identical
[17:03] <davmor2> ali1234: super+w is much nicer anyway :)
[17:03] <ali1234> and what does that do?
[17:03] <SuperMatt> ali1234: you might want to use something like terminator
[17:03] <ali1234> i do use terminator
[17:03] <ali1234> i love it
[17:03] <SuperMatt> all right
[17:03] <ali1234> i still have loads and load of terminal windows open
[17:04] <ali1234> i have 22 across 2 monitors just on the current virtual desktop
[17:04] <davmor2> ali1234: why?
[17:04] <SuperMatt> Maybe it's a workflow thing. I only ever have windows open for the things that I'm working on right that minute, meaning that I will have a browser with about 3 or 4 tabs, and maybe 3 or 4 terminals *tops*
[17:04] <SuperMatt> yes, I agree with davmor2
[17:05] <ali1234> ssh connections to various servers
[17:05] <SuperMatt> but why 22 at the same time?
[17:06] <ali1234> five of them are for a webpage i was doing some work on
[17:07] <ali1234> if i'm working on some wordpress plugin or something then i'm going to have five nanos and a couple of tail -f
[17:08] <ali1234> plus a shell prompt to move around and poke stuff
[17:08] <ali1234> then i usually have three or four projects like that in progress at any time
[17:08] <davmor2> ali1234: right so why not one terminal per ssh session or server that I can kinda go with. With the various tabs in play for each command on that server
[17:08] <ali1234> because people call me up and say "can you just quickly do this..."
[17:09] <ali1234> because i have two monitors
[17:09] <ali1234> but i generally prefer things to be full screen
[17:09] <ali1234> so i might have two panels in one window, and the third one up on the second monitor
[17:09] <ali1234> then switch to the shell
[17:10] <ali1234> i dont really see any need to have tabs in my terminal windows
[17:10] <ali1234> i have a perfectly good taskbar for that
[17:12] <ali1234> if i used tabs i wouldn't be able to freely move windows around between monitors and desktops
[17:12] <ali1234> id have to split them out first
[17:19] <ali1234> i should probably look into how you configure terminator
[17:20] <ali1234> would be good to just click an icon and get it launched with all the specific panels and tabs in the right directories
[23:11] <diddledan> had an awesome idea for the new ipwn. replace the "case" with polymer which isn't pre-formed before manufacture, so that you "pour" the polymer into a mould which has all the components in-place for a functioning phone. absolutely zero air left in the device replaced instead with the polymer - waterproof much?!
[23:12] <diddledan> also, zero servicing ability means more expensive "repairs" :-p
[23:12]  * diddledan dings the cast register to stash the extra monies
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> i'm waiting till someone works out how to make a case from artifical diamond... maximum bling... difficult for repairs mind... :-)
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> i will settle for a new nokia 3310 if if can handle java apps
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> i have broken 1 nokia 3310, the odds of breaking 2 are so close to 0 it's not worth even trying to calculate
[23:50] <diddledan> I heard on the radio that the 3310 is coming back. I am unsure whether it was "fake news" or not (I hate that term)
[23:51] <diddledan> in other news, I listened to the radio today!
[23:51] <diddledan> the radio still exists!!!!?!
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> though to be honest the 3310 never went away. i saw one in use last year at protest march. i've seen them in shop windows for sale...
[23:58] <zmoylan-pi> well they are looking to shut down fm radio in norway and other countries are thinking of following.  i have dab radio and i like it but it's nowhere near as useable when out and about as fm


[00:20] <halpbatman> can someone confirm this for me?
[00:20] <halpbatman> to change your wireless mode to "monitor" mode
[00:20] <halpbatman> you type iwconfig [card] mode monitor
[02:00] <halpbatman> does anyone here use guake?
[02:03] <halpbatman> when i open terminal
[02:03] <gunndawg> madsailor: hey there
[02:03] <halpbatman> the transparency effect doesn't work
[02:03] <halpbatman> anyone knows how to fix that?
[02:07] <halpbatman> terminal's transparent background doesn't work anymore anyone knows how to fix that?
[02:07] <paultag> halpbatman: try `compiz --replace'
[02:07] <paultag> halpbatman: using alt + f2
[02:08] <seidos> !transparent
[02:08] <ubot2> Factoid 'transparent' not found
[02:08] <paultag> !compiz
[02:08] <ubot2> Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz
[02:08] <paultag> seidos: dude, I've got a nasty sickness / back issue.   How's the site going?
[02:08] <paultag> halpbatman: rock on, thanks for using ubuntu :)
[02:09] <gunndawg> madsailor: good I'll show ya a screenshot
[02:09] <halpbatman> paultag: :DDD
[02:09] <halpbatman> one more lol
[02:09] <halpbatman> guake won't work
[02:09] <halpbatman> has it happened to anyone?
[02:09] <gunndawg> madsailor: http://min.us/mveQzlc
[02:09] <gunndawg> madsailor: I wanted to keep it clean, simple and basic
[02:10] <paultag> halpbatman: try starting it again. my guess is it needed compiz to be running
[02:10] <gunndawg> madsailor: I might change it up some, not sure
[02:10] <halpbatman> paultag: i did after i rand compiz --replace
[02:10] <paultag> ah, interesting
[02:10] <halpbatman> paultag: but no dice
[02:10] <paultag> halpbatman: I'm not sure. Might want to ask in #ubuntu, I've never used guake
[02:11] <paultag> just tilde :)
[02:11] <paultag> !info guake
[02:11]  * paultag pokes ubot2
[02:11] <halpbatman> !info
[02:11] <paultag> damn bot takes his damn time
[02:11]  * paultag pokes ubot2
[02:11] <paultag> lazy bum
[02:11] <madsailor> gunndawg, I like the font you used.  and I wonder if 'blog' is a package...would be funny if it is
[02:12] <paultag> !info guake natty
[02:12] <paultag> frig'n
[02:12] <gunndawg> madsailor: lol I thought it was clever to use sudo apt-get then the name of whatever section they are viewing on the page show up
[02:13] <paultag> Hey paultag! Last version is 0.4.2-4ubuntu1, released nine weeks ago
[02:13] <paultag> Thanks, paultag! You sure are useful!
[02:13]  * paultag kicks ubot2
[02:13] <paultag> halpbatman: not sure, man. Might ask in #ubuntu
[02:13] <JackyAlcine> *yawn*
[02:13] <JackyAlcine> Never sleep directly coming home after school.
[02:13] <paultag> JackyAlcine: bullshit, best naps ever
[02:13] <paultag> JackyAlcine: I did that today -- twice
[02:14] <JackyAlcine> Lol but the scrollbacks are sooo long!
[02:14] <JackyAlcine> I don't even wanna read them!
[02:14] <paultag> JackyAlcine: just store pings :)
[02:14] <halpbatman> paultag: k thx
[02:14] <paultag> JackyAlcine: or grep for JackyAlcine in your logs, there's no reason to look through it all
[02:14] <paultag> halpbatman: np, cheerio!
[02:14] <JackyAlcine> Hm, what about context?
[02:15] <madsailor> gunndawg, yeah, I like the Idea.
[02:15] <paultag> JackyAlcine: you can pull line numbers with grep, you can look at lines around your pngs
[02:15] <paultag> JackyAlcine: there's a lot of static
[02:15] <JackyAlcine> Grep's God's golden token!
[02:16] <paultag> I'd have to look it up but I think G/re/p is a bum syntax
[02:16] <gunndawg> madsailor: thx
[02:16] <paultag> ah, no
[02:16] <paultag> it's from ed
[02:16]  * paultag mans ed
[02:17] <paultag> oh damn my leg
[02:17] <paultag> BRB
[02:18] <SpaceDuck_> grep just allows you to return data matching a regex pattern... right?
[02:21] <ubuntuser> How to solve "BOOTMGR missing" problem using Live CD?
[02:23] <seidos> ubuntuser: do you get a prompt?
[02:23]  * seidos puts a splint on paultag's leg
[02:23] <seidos> paultag = batman
[02:24] <ubuntuser> seidos: no. jsut that and "press clt+alt+del" to restart
[02:24] <halpbatman_> paultag: so hey.. i restarted the comp. and the same thing happened so i had to restard compliz again
[02:24] <seidos> ubuntuser: hmmm
[02:24] <seidos> halpbatman_: compiz?
[02:24] <halpbatman_> seidos: yeah
[02:25] <ubuntuser> seidos: so, how to fix it using livecd?
[02:25] <halpbatman_> why do i have to keep restarting compiz?
[02:25] <seidos> halpbatman_: we need to figure out how to make compiz --replace execute automatically on start up
[02:26] <halpbatman> seidos: but it was working fine before
[02:26] <seidos> ubuntuser: ah, you are trying to use a livecd to repair an installation.  try a web search "repair BOOTMGR missing ubuntu" on yahoo.com
[02:26] <seidos> halpbatman: what changed?
[02:26] <halpbatman> seidos: trying to figure out what happened so that I can reverse it
[02:26] <halpbatman> seidos: lol
[02:27] <halpbatman> seidos: i was playing around with network configuration
[02:27] <halpbatman> seidos: when it stopped working
[02:27] <seidos> halpbatman: network configuration shouldn't affect compiz.  you could try purging the compiz package, and reinstalling it.
[02:27] <ubuntuser> seidos: currently i am booting from live cd.. i had ubuntu 10.10 on sda5 and vista on sda1. after installing 7 on sda1 my ubuntu was corrupted and showing unallocated. so using testdisk i recovered ubuntu partition. now none is booting and the error.
[02:28] <halpbatman> seidos: so the cmd would be "sudo apt-get purge compiz" and then "sudo apt-get install compiz"?
[02:28] <seidos> halpbatman: how'd you know? :)
[02:29] <JoeMaverickSett> ubuntuser: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:29] <halpbatman> seidos: grasshopper lrnz
[02:29] <seidos> halpbatman: ^ 5
[02:30] <halpbatman> seidos: is there any other pkg that is an alternative to compiz?
[02:30] <seidos> ubuntuser: you may want win 7 installed before installing ubuntu.  i think that is preferred
[02:31] <gunndawg> seidos: how dare you recommend having windows installed!
[02:31] <seidos> halpbatman: not sure.  why would you want another package?
[02:31] <ubuntuser> seidos: yeah.. i figured that out after 7 did the mess.. with vista the grub recovery was simple..
[02:31] <seidos> gunndawg: it's far from a recommendation ;)
[02:31] <halpbatman> seidos: dunno it keeps needing restart so i was wondering if i use a different pkg it might fix it
[02:31] <ubuntuser> seidos: anyway, i can do it... i am ready to install 7 again ..no issue.. i want to save my ubuntu partition as it is..
[02:32] <gunndawg> ubuntuser: try uninstalling windows and leaving it uninstalled, see if ur computer runs better
[02:32] <gunndawg> ;)
[02:32] <seidos> halpbatman: i wouldn't do that.  just file a bug against the compiz package if we don't get it working
[02:33] <halpbatman> seidos: k gonna restart brb
[02:33] <ubuntuser> gunndawg: supposed to be funny?
[02:33] <gunndawg> ubuntuser: yes
[02:33] <seidos> ubuntuser: what do you need windows for?
[02:33] <gunndawg> ubuntuser: it is funny
[02:34] <ubuntuser> seidos: i need for work and besides i am not well versed with linux. i am a new bie..trying to switch after my friends introduced me to linux.
[02:34] <seidos> ubuntuser: ah.  for work.
[02:34] <ubuntuser> gunndawg: it wasn't for me seeing the data and files and work trapped there..anyway leave it..
[02:34] <seidos> ubuntuser: no worries.  hope you get your dual boot working
[02:35] <seidos> ubuntuser: it's actually a good way to test for hardware problems.
[02:35] <halpbatman> seidos: reinstalling didn't fix the problem
[02:35] <halpbatman> when I start up terminal
[02:35] <seidos> halpbatman: and compiz --replace fixes it?
[02:35] <halpbatman> the transparency effect doesn't work
[02:35] <halpbatman> yeah
[02:36] <madsailor> ubuntuser, windows is like a bull in a china shop....it will overwrite everything when you re-install it.
[02:36] <ubuntuser> seidos: hmm..yes.. i can try booting with 7 dvd and doing the fixmbr thing but wouldn't it do the same it did with the ubuntu partition? making it unallocated/corrupted?
[02:36] <seidos> halpbatman: what about preferences > appearance > desktop effects?
[02:36] <ubuntuser> madsailor: maybe..but when i tried with vista, it didn't happeb
[02:36] <halpbatman> seidos: it's set at normal
[02:37] <seidos> ubuntuser: yeah, it probably would remove the formatted partitions.
[02:37] <madsailor> ubuntu, so what do you have on your drive now, and what is the ultimate goal?
[02:37] <madsailor> *sorry,* ubuntuser
[02:37] <seidos> ubuntuser: just install win 7, then reinstall ubuntu, we recommend 10.04, the LTS
[02:38] <gunndawg> I recommend 10.10
[02:38] <seidos> gunndawg: why?
[02:38] <gunndawg> seidos: why not ?
[02:38] <gunndawg> seidos: it works perfectly fine
[02:38] <ubuntuser> seidos: and the current ubuntu partition? isn't there anyway i can save it? otherwise i would have done that by now and will do if there's no way.
[02:38] <seidos> gunndawg: are you a beginner?
[02:39] <gunndawg> seidos: depends on what you consider a beginner, I am quite happy with 10.10, and recommend it to anyone wanting to switch to ubuntu
[02:39] <gunndawg> seidos: are you a beginner ?
[02:39] <seidos> gunndawg: it depends what you consider a beginner
[02:39] <seidos> gunndawg: yes
[02:40] <madsailor> ubuntuser, to save the Ubuntu you already installed you would have to get windows booting (through win RE), then reinstall grub2 . it is probably faster and easier to start from scratch
[02:40] <seidos> ubuntuser: there may be a way, but if there is, i'm not sure how to find out.  what data are you trying to save?
[02:41] <ubuntuser> seidos: photos, projects(mid way)..etc..
[02:41] <seidos> !grub2
[02:41] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[02:42] <madsailor> ubuntuser, if you just want to save data from your ubuntu install you can use the live cd and DD it to another drive / cd/ whatever media you want
[02:42] <seidos> ubuntuser: you can try the "RestoreGrub" link
[02:42] <ubuntuser> seidos: ok, i tried "partimage" but it threw an error
[02:44] <seidos> ubuntuser: if you followed all the instructions on RestoreGrub, there isn't much else i can recommend, aside from reinstall.
[02:44] <seidos> windows 1st, then ubuntu
[02:44] <ubuntuser> seidos: OK.
[02:45] <seidos> ubuntuser: not sure why windows does that, but not much can be done about it, since it's closed source
[02:45] <ubuntuser> seidos: thanks. let me see.
[02:45] <ubuntuser> seidos: yes.
[02:45] <seidos> assuming one has the development skill
[02:45] <halpbatman> seidos: oh yeah a question on grub
[02:45] <halpbatman> seidos: I have two images of linux
[02:45] <halpbatman> seidos: one is from before update
[02:46] <halpbatman> seidos: for some reason it persists on the grub menu
[02:46] <seidos> halpbatman: what version of ubuntu?
[02:46] <halpbatman> seidos: i have 10.10
[02:46] <seidos> halpbatman: have you checked out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[02:47] <seidos> halpbatman: i'm actually trying to *add* kernels now, not remove them, as one of my projects
[02:47] <seidos> halpbatman: but i'm sure it shouldn't be that difficult to do with grub2
[02:47] <halpbatman> seidos: k ty
[02:50] <seidos> halpbatman: i just had an idea.  you might be able to uninstall the linux-images from synaptic that you don't want anymore
[02:51] <halpbatman> seidos: synaptic?
[02:51] <seidos> halpbatman: do a search for linux-image in synaptic, just don't remove the wrong one.
[02:51] <halpbatman> seidos: wehre's synaptic?
[02:51] <seidos> halpbatman: synaptic package manager.  but, i wouldn't worry about that.  it really shouldn't matter.  do you reboot a lot?
[02:52] <halpbatman> seidos: found it
[02:52] <seidos> halpbatman: system -> administration > synaptic pckg mgr
[02:52] <halpbatman> seidos: i switch back and forth b/w windows and linux
[02:52] <halpbatman> seidos: certain windows prgs i need for school work
[02:53] <seidos> halpbatman: there may be an open alternative to what you use...and wine *may* be an option
[02:53] <seidos> halpbatman: also virtualization maybe an option for you
[02:53] <seidos> *may be
[02:54] <halpbatman> seidos: i'm on netbook so virtualization would be too slow i think
[02:55] <seidos> halpbatman: ah, dang it.  wine might be fast enough.
[02:55] <halpbatman> seidos: brb reboot hopefully this problem is fixed
[02:56]  * seidos hands halpbatman a batarang
[03:59] <ysg> test
[04:00] <ysg> hi all
[04:00] <ysg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1684962
[04:00] <ysg> thats where i posted my question
[04:00] <ysg> kinda confused on how to get all pcs to work together... all help is appreciated!
[04:03] <ysg> ok, gotta hit the sack, if anyone has a suggestion please send it to yoursurrogategod in ubuntu forums
[04:05] <tool88> is there any labsimulations for net+ for linux?
[04:08] <tool88> any one?
[04:10] <holstein> maybe an online option?
[04:12] <tool88> oh ok
[04:12] <tool88> i have one for the pc but cant get it to run on wine
[04:14] <holstein> you looked at wineHQ ?
[04:15] <tool88> no i didnt
[04:16] <tool88> whats the differance
[04:16] <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[04:16] <holstein> whats the software called?
[04:17] <tool88> oh i see thanks
[04:17]  * seidos clicks the forums link
[04:17] <holstein> seidos: from ysg?
[04:17] <holstein> im not sure what thats about
[04:18] <tool88> comptia labsim
[04:19] <seidos> holstein: yeah
[04:19] <holstein> tool88: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1559498
[04:20] <holstein> :/
[04:20] <holstein> seidos: vnc right?
[04:20] <holstein> i really like remmina
[04:21] <tool88> dude awsome
[04:21] <tool88> sucks i cant install it
[04:22] <holstein> tool88: you got a windows disc?
[04:22] <seidos> holstein: that's a good guess.  but i wouldn't have inferred that.
[04:22] <holstein> thats one of those things you might just have to run Vbox for tool88
[04:22] <tool88> yeah looks like im gonna have to
[04:22] <holstein> the seamless mode is... well, seamless
[04:22] <holstein> kinda nice
[04:23] <holstein> seidos: unless the cat is going to buy a KVM
[04:40] <seidos> holstein: isn't kvm also an option?  the software?
[04:41] <holstein> something like that
[04:41] <holstein> VNC is arguably easier i think
[04:41] <holstein> i guess it depends on the useage
[04:41] <holstein> im not sure we have the entire story on what is needed there
[06:04] <hootar> heya, is there any way to execute the free the fish gnome thing on a remote computer via ssh?
[06:05] <hootar> i tried  export DISPLAY=:0; "free the fish" but the lack of reaction from across the rooms seems to indicate failure
[06:25] <hootar> nevermind got it, thanks though
[06:29] <Pr0jectRec0n> Hey all - have a generic linux question (not sstrictly restricted to ubuntu)
[06:30] <Pr0jectRec0n> Lets say I'm connected to a remote server (at a particular port). Is there a command to know the ip-address of the server i'm connected to  (and perharps the port num too??)
[08:23] <geirha> Pr0jectRec0n: netstat -np --inet   perhaps
[08:23] <Pr0jectRec0n> geirha, omg - you do realize I asked that question 3 hrs back, right?
[08:24] <geirha> Yes
[08:25] <JackyAlcine> Pr0jectRec0n: Sorry about our times. =/
[08:40] <terry> how do i get the battery status to show in the indicator applet
[08:41] <zkriesse> Ah add it to panel i think
[08:41] <zkriesse> One sec
[08:42] <terry> i didnt see in there, and i thought it was built in in the indicator applet
[08:42] <JackyAlcine> terry: Open System -> Power Management -> General
[08:42] <JackyAlcine> terry: and then fill 'Always display an icon'.
[08:42] <terry> aaah thanks
[08:43] <JackyAlcine> terry: np.
[08:43] <terry> cool well im off to bed now....thanks
[08:43] <zkriesse> JackyAlcine: Dangit you stole my helping status!
[08:43] <zkriesse> :D
[08:44] <zkriesse> Nice one man good on ya
[08:44] <JackyAlcine> :P
[08:44] <JackyAlcine> thanks
[10:15] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:16] <bioterror> hi
[10:17] <JoeMaverickSett> Hello.
[10:17] <s-fox> Hello JoeMaverickSett and bioterror
[10:17] <s-fox> How are you both?
[10:20] <JoeMaverickSett> s-fox: i'm very much fine. thank you for asking. how about yourself? :)
[10:20] <bioterror> I know he's fine as always ;)
[10:21] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[10:30] <s-fox> I am fine thank you JoeMaverickSett .
[10:30] <JoeMaverickSett> s-fox: great to hear. :)
[10:31] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, you see! I could be the future man! ;)
[10:31] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: haha, you're a psychic :D
[15:26] <richardcurran> Hello my first question here is can I ask about how to go about upgrading packages on my jaunty webserver here?
[15:27] <richardcurran> or should I find a different channel? I'm a n00b :)
[15:27] <JackyAlcine> No, you're in the right place.
[15:27] <richardcurran> Thanks Jacky
[15:27] <JackyAlcine> richardcurran: And upgrading in the sense of upgrade to a new release?
[15:28] <richardcurran> Well I'm going to try and upgrade my ProFTPD
[15:28] <richardcurran> to 1.3.3d
[15:28] <richardcurran> from 1.3.1
[15:28] <JackyAlcine> Isn't that a downgrade?
[15:29] <richardcurran> haha don't start!
[15:29] <richardcurran> I 1.3.1 is older than 1.3.3d
[15:29] <richardcurran> the reason I need to do this is to become compliant for PCI DSS
[15:30] <richardcurran> Normally I'd have asked my web developer to do this sort of thing, but I've run out of money and now I'm my own webdeveloper
[15:30] <richardcurran> :(
[15:30] <JackyAlcine> Well, usually projects like these have source code that you can compile and utilize.
[15:30] <richardcurran> I thought that before I do anything I'd find where I can go for help if (/when) it all goes wrong
[15:31] <JackyAlcine> If you installed 1.3.3d from your repos, then you should uninstall from there first.
[15:31] <JackyAlcine> Otherwise, you could find the 1.3.3d's source and run a sudo make uninstall to remove it.
[15:31] <JackyAlcine> Then you can download 1.3.1 and compile it back into your system.
[15:32] <JackyAlcine> Just requires a bit of terminal knowledge.
[15:32] <richardcurran> Hi thanks sorry I think I mistyped earlier on, I am actually upgrading from 1.3.1 TO 1.3.3d
[15:32] <JackyAlcine> Lol, ah!
[15:32] <richardcurran> and from the documentation it appears that I need to go ahead and compile a new version, rather than "update"
[15:32] <JackyAlcine> Then just do the reverse.
[15:33] <richardcurran> ^ yes I thought i might have to
[15:33] <JackyAlcine> No,
[15:33] <JackyAlcine> wait, if the documentation said to do otherwise, then do so, it might not only preserve your settings, but that means less configuration for you.
[15:35] <richardcurran> this is when you use a file on your local machine, the make file, to install the package? is that right?
[15:35] <richardcurran> likewise for uninstalling?
[15:35] <richardcurran> unfortunately I don't have the original set of files on my local machine
[15:49] <richardcurran> Anyone have experience of upgrading PROftpd here?
[15:53] <duanedesign> richardcurran: it is in the repository
[15:55] <duanedesign> i guess the package is proftpd-basic
[15:56] <duanedesign> the command -  apt-cache search proftpd  - can show you the available packages
[15:58] <duanedesign> if you are interested in installing an application not in the repos (compiling) there is a nice doc on the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[16:02] <duanedesign> oh and if you compile a package be sure to read the ReadMe.txt
[16:04] <seidos> PROftpd, does it use encryption?
[16:14] <bioterror> haha
[16:14] <bioterror> ftp doesnt encrypt
[16:15] <bioterror> sftp does
[16:15] <bioterror> lftp for client and sshd for server
[16:16] <seidos> 0
[16:16] <JackyAlcine> From the looks of the site, it uses SSL, I guess, seidos.
[16:17] <seidos> JackyAlcine: merci
[16:17] <JackyAlcine> no problem, l:D
[16:17] <seidos> i just asked because RedSingularity and i were talking about it yesterday
[16:17] <seidos> i don't really use ftp anymore
[16:17] <JackyAlcine> SSH?
[16:18] <seidos> torrents, ssh, apache2, mysql
[16:18] <JackyAlcine> AH! MySQL! lol.
[16:18] <seidos> it's a love hate relationship
[16:18] <bioterror> postresql is teh future!
[16:19]  * seidos kicks bioterror in the shin weeeee
[16:19] <bioterror> I remember when I worked with sun and the guys were like wtf, why we did purchase that
[16:20] <JackyAlcine> Lol!
[16:48] <Elise001> Why does it take so much work to keep my copy of Ubuntu up to date on my cheap used notebook? I love the concept of Ubuntu. But Windows XP seems much more reliable. I'm sorry to say this.
[16:48] <Elise001> I wish I coul find an easier way to keep Ubuntu up to date.
[16:48] <bioterror> what?
[16:49] <bioterror> whats so hard in it?
[16:49] <bioterror> notifies you in the same way as windows, that theres new updates
[16:49] <JackyAlcine> Elise001: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[16:49] <JackyAlcine> Done.
[16:49] <Elise001> My old notebook seems to disconnect from my home DSL during the night when I leave my notebook running to complete downloading and installing updates. Takes so long.
[16:49] <bioterror> few clicks and youre updating your system
[16:50] <bioterror> i upgraded from maverick to natty under 20mins today
[16:50] <Elise001> But it seems to die in middle all too often. It's like a sports car. Sigh.
[16:50] <bioterror> didnt take that long
[16:51] <bioterror> elise, problem is that you get disconnected?
[16:51] <Elise001> Yes.
[16:51] <bioterror> and why you do it during night?
[16:52] <Elise001> It takes hours.
[16:52] <bioterror> seems like problem is the NIC
[16:52] <bioterror> possible drivers has something
[16:53] <stlsaint> hey folks
[16:53] <bioterror> elise, would you like to tell us the download speed of your upgradings
[16:58] <Elise001> I'm not sure what the speed is. I use AT&T 2wire. I,m using that right now for dsl for this netbook running windows xp and getting good response time. I will be away from computer for a few minutes. sorry.
[17:00] <bioterror> so much for the helping then
[17:01] <JackyAlcine> Elise001: There's reports from HeliOS that AT&T does have a fit with Linux systems.
[17:01] <bioterror> is that somekind of usb modems or what
[17:02] <JackyAlcine> No, it's an organization that refurbishes and gives back computers using Linux, and I remember reading that AT&T's known for giving Linux users problem with connection related to drivers or something alongst that line.
[17:03] <bioterror> what kind of problems could be with adsl then
[17:04] <bioterror> plug-in the twistedpair cabled with rj45 and connect to intahnet!
[17:04] <Elise001> Not sure. Got to shower. Tonight I'll come back on this netbook, and try to upgrade ubuntu on my old notebook. Then I can give you more accurate info. Say hi to Seidos for me. Bye for now and thanks.
[17:04] <Elise001> I'll just leave this up 4 a few minutes.
[17:04] <bioterror> i bet seidos will gladly help you P)
[17:04] <bioterror> ;)
[17:05] <zkriesse> What happened?
[18:18] <Fanshawe> Hello. How do I remove 'Open With' entries from the Nautilus context menu?
[18:20] <ddecator> Fanshawe: right-click, properties, then there should be a tab like "associated applications" or something like that. go there and you can remove them
[18:21] <ddecator> you can also change which application is used by default by doing that
[18:22] <Fanshawe> Right click on any folder?
[18:22] <JackyAlcine> Fanshawe: On the file that you want to change the default application for.
[18:22] <ddecator> right
[18:23] <ddecator> whatever filetype
[18:23] <ddecator> so if you want to remove openoffice as the default and/or one of the "open with" applications of .doc files, you can right-click any .doc file and change it
[18:24] <Fanshawe> There is no tab for the properties of folders.
[18:25] <ddecator> you're trying to change the "open with" for folders?
[18:25] <aveilleux> Fanshawe: You can't change what folders are opened with...
[18:25] <Fanshawe> Yes, for Nautilus, or whatever Ubuntus file browser is called.
[18:25] <aveilleux> Fanshawe: Files are "opened". "folders" (properly called "directories") are browsed.
[18:26] <ddecator> right, folders will always open within nautilus
[18:26] <JackyAlcine> or dolphin.
[18:26] <ddecator> JackyAlcine: if you use kubuntu :)
[18:26] <aveilleux> or PCManFM
[18:26] <Fanshawe> Yes. But at one time I used an 'open with' function on a folder, I think I was opening an album in a media player.
[18:27] <Fanshawe> I'm trying to remove that option from the context menu now.
[18:27] <aveilleux> Fanshawe: That's a function of the menu itself, not the "open with" submenu.
[18:28] <aveilleux> Fanshawe: This should help you out http://techthrob.com/2009/03/02/howto-add-items-to-the-right-click-menu-in-nautilus/
[18:28] <aveilleux> Fanshawe: I know it says "add" but I assume the same utility can be used to remove items as well.
[18:29] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:29] <Fanshawe> A screen shot does show a 'delete' function. I'll try it out.
[18:29] <ddecator> ...was that silverfox?
[18:30] <Fanshawe> Or, someone else has recommended I navigate to '~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list'.
[18:34] <Fanshawe> I've got it. Thank you all.
[21:18] <tool88> can i dual boot ubuntu with ubuntu?
[21:18] <JackyAlcine> tool88: yes.
[21:18] <head_victim> tool88: surely can, just make sure you adjust the grub entries so you don't get them confused :D
[21:18] <tool88> will ubuntu do the partion like windows
[21:19] <tool88> not sure how to do that
[21:19] <head_victim> tool88: depends on what you mean by "like windows"
[21:19] <tool88> iso it runs side by side i mean
[21:20] <bioterror> ofcourse
[21:20] <tool88> so how would i adjust the grub then?
[21:20] <bioterror> it should ajust itself automatically ;)
[21:21] <tool88> ok thats what i was hoping
[21:21] <bioterror> mmm
[21:21] <bioterror> not it wont, I think :D
[21:21] <head_victim> Yeah, I was just saying if you have the same kernels and the same everything else you might want to adjust them manually so you can tell them apart easily
[21:22] <tool88> well the one i was going to mess with the nvidia driver
[21:22] <tool88> after i install the driver i lose my gui
[21:22] <tool88> so i wanted to mess with the one till i got it right
[21:23] <bioterror> you dont need another installation for that
[21:23] <bioterror> you can always remove xorg.conf and remove certain packages and start from the beginning
[21:23] <tool88> after i lose my gui i cant get to the recovery screen
[21:23] <tool88> it dosnt show
[21:24] <tool88> problem is i have a lap top with a broken screen and for some reason when i install the driver the crt i use is just black
[21:25] <tool88> like it only default the video to the laptop moniter
[21:27] <bioterror> you can get to TTY?
[21:27] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1?
[21:28] <tool88> yeah i do that but i cant get the failsafe-x to work
[21:29] <tool88> and hitting esc is eigther hit or miss
[21:38] <asterismo> hi people
[21:39] <asterismo> i have a problem
[21:39] <asterismo> is there any way to recover deleted and empty trashed files from an EXT4 external 500GB hard drive?
[21:40] <holstein> check out http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec asterismo
[21:40] <holstein> i use it from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[21:40] <holstein> might be an easier way though
[21:41] <asterismo> i already tried scalpel, but it extracted several 47 MB avi files... i want to recover a bunch of avi files from 700 MB to 2 GB in size
[21:42] <asterismo> but the drive is ok
[21:42]  * holstein never used scalpel
[21:43] <holstein> photorec shouldnt care what size or filetype
[21:43] <asterismo> is just that i deleted some large files and empty trash, and then realized that i had no backuo
[21:43] <asterismo> backup, so i should try to recover, like undelete
[21:43] <asterismo> but scalpel did not worked at all
[21:43] <holstein> sure
[21:43] <holstein> or try using photorec
[21:44] <holstein> literally cant hurt
[21:44] <asterismo> but does PhotoRec support AVI files?
[21:44] <holstein> photorec just grabs
[21:44] <holstein> it dont care what its grabbing
[21:44] <holstein> it doesnt 'support' anything really
[21:44] <holstein> or not support anything that is*
[21:45] <holstein> i bet it works great on drives that are still working properly
[21:45] <holstein> im usually using it on failing hardware
[21:45] <holstein> with surprising results
[21:47] <asterismo> i see that it is somehow related to testdisk
[21:47] <asterismo> i tried testdisk but did not figure out how it works
[21:47] <holstein> thats why i use it from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[21:47] <holstein> its in the menu
[21:48] <holstein> in partedmagic or whatever
[21:48] <holstein> do what you want, but i think its safe to say
[21:48] <holstein> if photorec dont get em
[21:48] <holstein> you can give up
[21:53] <bioterror> holstein, trinity rescue kit is also good tool
[22:43] <SpaceDuck_> Is there any issue with leaving directories mounted (Windows shares and FTPs)? Are they alway connected or do the timeout after awhile like a normal FTP client?
[22:44] <head_victim> I've never had one time out
[22:44] <SpaceDuck_> I meant more disconnect wen idle
[22:44] <head_victim> I've had samba shares mounted for weeks on end without a hitch. I'd say it's something you could set up to time out though
[22:45] <head_victim> Ah well the folder sits on my desktop for weeks on end even when not in use, might not have a connection open permanently though if that's what you mean.
[22:46] <SpaceDuck_> I'm more concerned about the FTP.... I leave the computer on 24/7 and don't want to be connected to the ftp that long.
[22:46] <SpaceDuck_> so if it's mounted... it's connected?
[22:47] <SpaceDuck_> I was hoping I didn't need to mount and unmount... I guess I was hoping ubunut would automount on demand or something
[22:48] <head_victim> It's able to be used, it might not actually have data travelling over the network 24/7. I'm sure you could set the server up to drop connections after they have been idle for x amount of time.
[22:48] <SpaceDuck_> heh, I think I've been connected to my ftp for a week
[22:49] <SpaceDuck_> or at least it's been mounted for a week
[22:49] <head_victim> Yeah sorry I'm not technical enough to differentiate between "connected" and "mounted" sorry :/  I would have to go do some googling to be sure
[23:52] <newlad> good evenbing
[23:52] <newlad> anyone here
[23:52] <newlad> ?
[23:54] <aveilleux> hello newlad
[23:54] <newlad> hye...i have a weird problem!
[23:54] <newlad> facebook wont work on my laptop
[23:54] <newlad> netbook actually
[23:55] <newlad> its working from the other guys system but its no coming up on mine...other pages work find, just FB doesnt
[23:55] <newlad> i also cant send emails
[23:55] <newlad> does that make any sense?
[23:57] <newlad> i tried dooble and frirefox...


[12:03] <Simira> uhm... are there any meetings tomorrow?
[12:10] <Treenaks> not according to /topic
[12:18] <Simira> no, but /topic seems somehow outdated...
[12:20] <Treenaks> only a little :)
[09:21] <Simira> hmm
[09:21] <Simira> Mithrand1r?
[09:22] <Treenaks> looks more like l33thr4nd1r :P
[09:23] <Simira> yes, he should be between Brussel and Oslo right now
[09:24] <Treenaks> yeah, I saw him there


[08:04] <Fry-kun> hi there
[08:04] <Keybuk> heyhey
[08:04] <Fry-kun> how is it going
[08:05] <Fry-kun> i'm looking for some help configuring upstart on Fedora
[08:05] <Fry-kun> not specific steps but general direction tips
[08:06] <Fry-kun> i've already modified the rules to point to proper locations to rc and mingetty, but rcS confuzzles me
[08:06] <Fry-kun> and of course i can't boot up without it :(
[08:08] <Keybuk> how does it confuzzle?
[08:09] <MarvinR> hello
[08:10] <Fry-kun> oh
[08:10] <MarvinR> does upstart need more developers?
[08:10] <Fry-kun> Fedora doesn't have one
[08:11] <Fry-kun> or rather.. i don't know what it does, so i don't know if fedora has an equivalent
[08:12] <Keybuk> Fry-kun: interesting, don't suppose you can paste the fedora /etc/inittab file anywhere?
[08:12] <Keybuk> MarvinR: patches are always welcome
[08:13] <AlexExtreme> Fry-kun: you can find out what you need from /etc/inittab - put the contents of it to some pastebin and i should be able to figure out what you need
[08:13] <AlexExtreme> doh, Keybuk beat me to that one...
[08:16] <Fry-kun> Keybuk: sure, just a sec
[08:18] <Fry-kun> http://pastebin.com/819899
[08:18] <Fry-kun> thanks guys :)
[08:19] <AlexExtreme> hold on
[08:21] <AlexExtreme> this should do it: http://pastebin.com/819904
[08:21] <Keybuk> Fry-kun: you can probably drop rcS then
[08:22] <Keybuk> and just modify rc-default to be start on startup
[08:22] <AlexExtreme> no, that won't work, there's a rc.sysinit line there :)
[08:23] <Keybuk> oh
[08:23] <Keybuk> well write an rc-sysinit job then, and start rc-default when that stops
[08:24] <Keybuk> ahh
[08:24] <AlexExtreme> my rcS should do it though
[08:24] <Keybuk> rc.sysinit is the same as rcS
[08:24] <AlexExtreme> correct ;)
[08:24] <Keybuk> si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS
[08:24] <Keybuk> vs.
[08:24] <Keybuk> si::sysinit:/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
[08:25] <Keybuk> so yes, AlexExtreme is right
[08:26] <Fry-kun> ooh
[08:26] <Fry-kun> cool, i'll try that
[08:28] <AlexExtreme> bbl
[08:29] <Fry-kun> gonna try booting now...
[08:47] <Fry-kun> result: i was able to boot (and pretty damn fast, too) -- but didn't get a graphical shell and didn't see any boot messages
[08:48] <Fry-kun> startx worked but "reboot" didn't - at least not as normal user
[08:48] <Fry-kun> complained about /dev/init-something
[08:49] <Fry-kun> don't have time to play with it right now, but looks promising
[10:37] <tonfa> gug
[10:38] <tonfa> I got a problem, probably upstart related
[10:41] <phsdv> what is the problem?
[10:42] <tonfa> I'm running -mm kernel, hit a bug http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/11/8/157
[10:43] <tonfa> I think the the result of the bug for userspace is a segfault
[10:43] <tonfa> but it looks like some things don't get started (at least gdm and hald)
[10:44] <tonfa> is there a way to get some debug from upstart ?
[10:44] <_ion> That looks totally not upstart related. Try booting without ACPI.
[10:47] <phsdv> Are you using the sysvinit compatible layer?
[10:47] <tonfa> phsdv: I'm using the default from edgy
[10:48] <phsdv> that means yes. Which also means that a sysvinit runlevel is started which in its turn starts all deamons etc.
[10:49] <phsdv> how to debug that I do not know. I am not using edgy myself.
[10:50] <tonfa> ok, I'll try some things
[10:50] <tonfa> thanks
[10:52] <_ion> What made you reach the conclusion that it's probably upstart-related?
[10:52] <tonfa> a lot of services are not starting, logger / hald / gdm
[10:53] <_ion> Did you not just paste a log of kernel ACPI stuff crashing?
[10:53] <tonfa> _ion: there's a bug in the kernel, I reported it and I know which patch are to blame
[10:54] <tonfa> (see the end of the email)
[10:55] <tonfa> but maybe upstart could do some things better
[10:55] <tonfa> (if it's usptart related, i'm not sure)
[10:57] <_ion> Are there errors in /var/log/boot?
[10:57] <tonfa> _ion: let me retry
[11:11] <tonfa> _ion: http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/benoit.boissinot/upload/
[11:12] <tonfa> looks like upstart doesn't launch anything
[11:12] <tonfa> ok it is stuck there: root      3991  0.0  0.0   1660   524 ?        S    23:01   0:00 /bin/sh -e /etc/rc2.d/S10acpid start
[11:12] <tonfa> root      4123  0.2  0.0   1604   568 ?        S    23:01   0:00 modprobe -b thermal
[11:13] <_ion> Not very surprising.
[11:13] <_ion> ke234414 < _ion> That looks totally not upstart related. Try booting without ACPI.
[11:16] <tonfa> _ion: I know how to boot this kernel, I just need to revert this patch ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.19-rc5/2.6.19-rc5-mm1/broken-out/
[11:17] <tonfa> but lets say it's solved
[11:17] <tonfa> thanks for the help
[11:41] <Plouj> hi
[11:41] <Plouj> is there an rss feed/mailing list which I can subscribe to in order to get release updates on Upstart?
[11:42] <_ion> There is a mailing list.
[11:42] <Plouj> I only see upstart-devel
[11:43] <Plouj> I don't want a discussion mailnig list
[11:43] <Plouj> mailing*
[11:43] <Plouj> I want a light traffic list which would only send emails about new releases
[11:45] <Plouj> is there something like that in bazzar/launchpad?
[11:45] <Plouj> bazaar*
[11:52] <_ion> https://launchpad.net/products/upstart shows the newest release, but there seems to be no RSS feed.
[11:53] <_ion> There's also the topic of this channel. ;-)
[11:53] <Plouj> well
[11:53] <Plouj> I'm not gonna check this topic ever day ffs
[11:53] <Plouj> the whole point of rss or email is that you get notification of everything in one place
[11:54] <Plouj> I just subscribed to the main branch of upstart in launchpad
[11:54] <Plouj> I've no idea what that means!