[12:04] <Nafallo> hmm, anyone got that video with mdz and sabdfl that got blogged @ planet.debian.org?
[12:04] <Nafallo> seems the link doesn't work anymore
[12:05] <Gnobody> when was it posted?
[12:06] <Nafallo> 2005-07-16 08.07.00
[12:06] <Nafallo> Joey Hess: thanks..
[12:06] <Amaranth> wow, classpath has 1mil lines of code
[12:08] <Amaranth> Gnobody: I don't need naked pictures of cristina scabbia, I have 1 million lines of code!
[12:08] <Amaranth> :0
[12:10] <Gnobody> yes and in that world there are two sexes; emacs, and vi
[12:11] <eruin> then tell me what nano is!
[12:16] <highvoltage> there was an announcement about an ubuntu-artwork team. is there a wiki/web page about it somewhere? (sorry, lost original email)
[12:17] <JanC> yes
[12:17] <mdke> ArtworkTeam
[12:17] <mdke> or ArtTeam
[12:17] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam
[12:17] <mdke> (the wiki search is really good btw)
[12:18] <highvoltage> i just seemed to have entered the wrong keywords.
[12:20] <mdke> fair enough
[12:21] <bddebian> Nano R0x! :-)
[12:27] <lamont> Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com[<IP_ADDRESS>] :80... failed: Connection refused.
[12:27] <lamont> feh
[12:27] <Amaranth> http://www.pumuki.org/?q=node/119
[12:27] <Amaranth> owned.
[12:43] <sladen> Nafallo: I saw it on somebody's laptop here before it got uploaded, I forget who it was though
[01:01] <pef_aw> bye !
[01:28] <Riddell> daniels: libxcursor still mentions libXrender.la, can I do an upload to fix that?
[01:30] <seb128> I've already uploaded a xcursor package 2 days ago
[01:30] <seb128> you should better ping a buildd guy to know why there is no build log for it
[01:31] <seb128> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xcursor/
[01:31] <mitsuhiko> dcop, bonobo and dbus do the same thing, will dbus get standard?
[01:31] <seb128> there is no build for the 1.1.4 packages
[01:31] <seb128> they don't do the same thing
[01:31] <Riddell> lamont: back from your wanderings?
[01:32] <mitsuhiko> seb128: they can do the same thing
[01:32] <seb128> no
[01:32] <seb128> dbus is not a bonobo replacement
[01:32] <mitsuhiko> hm. ok
[01:32] <seb128> it's simpler
[01:32] <mitsuhiko> bonobo is simpler?
[01:32] <seb128> no, dbus
[01:32] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: dbus will replace dcop if someone can make nice enough bindings for KDE
[01:33] <Riddell> bindings as nice as dcop has :)
[01:33] <mitsuhiko> thanks for the informations
[01:33] <mitsuhiko> so I can use bonobo for my python project
[01:33] <seb128> depending of what you try to do
[01:33] <seb128> if dbus does what you want better to use it
[01:33] <seb128> bonobo is beeing dropped because it's to complex to use
[01:34] <mitsuhiko> so bonobo is dying?
[01:34] <seb128> I would not say that
[01:34] <seb128> he's standing where it is
[01:34] <seb128> but new code is not using it
[01:34] <mitsuhiko> ok. thx
[01:35] <seb128> np
[01:35] <mitsuhiko> my problem is that i'm using hoary at the moment and there is the old dbus api which is not compatible to the new one
[01:35] <Riddell> xcursor is dep-wait pkg-config but pkg-config is installed fine
[01:35] <Riddell> tsk
[01:36] <\sh> grmpf
[01:36] <seb128> where do you get the dep-wait?
[01:36] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386
[01:36] <seb128> thanks
[01:37] <seb128> probably needs lamont to poke it
[01:37] <Riddell> wake up infinity, fix xcursor so me and seb128 can go to bed :)
[01:37] <seb128> that too :)
[01:37] <Riddell> 23:31  * lamont wanders off
[01:38] <seb128> bah
[01:40] <\sh> so..we should go and sleep....today is another day to kick
[01:40] <\sh> oh
[01:40] <\sh> esc+4 != esc+5
[01:41] <\sh> anyways...off to bed
[02:49] <OddAbe19> hey, when I do make on a program i do the following:  ./configure 'CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build=i686-linux' 'CXXFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build_alias=i686-linux'
[02:49] <OddAbe19> how do i point it to gcc 4
[02:49] <OddAbe19> with make not ./configure
[02:49] <bob2> you use breezy, which has gcc 4.0 as the default
[02:49] <bob2> using gcc 4.0 with c++ code on hoary will break
[02:49] <OddAbe19> i have gcc 4 installed through backports
[02:50] <bob2> that'll work awesomely then
[02:50] <bob2> but as above
[02:50] <OddAbe19> i don't have to do a 'gcc=4'?
[02:51] <bob2> if this program involves C++ code, you can't use gcc 4.0, sorryy
[02:51] <bob2> unless it's so simple it uses nothing but libstdc++
[02:51] <OddAbe19> na, it's gimp
[02:51] <OddAbe19> lol
[02:51] <OddAbe19> i'm working on a more optimized version for distribution
[02:52] <OddAbe19> and i hope all those options will work like that, it has in the past
[02:52] <bob2> then set the C compiler when running ./configure
[02:53] <bob2> you're doing benchmarks to find if gcc 4.0 is usefully faster?
[02:53] <OddAbe19> so, do this instead?  ./configure 'CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build=i686-linux' 'CXXFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build_alias=i686-linux' 'gcc=4.0'
[02:53] <bob2> no
[02:53] <OddAbe19> no, i just want to make an athon/i686 optimized version of it
[02:54] <bob2> ./configure 'CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build=i686-linux' 'CXXFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' CC=gcc-4.0
[02:54] <OddAbe19> with O3
[02:54] <bob2> er...
[02:54] <bob2> if you're not planning to see if it's faster, what's the point?
[02:54] <OddAbe19> well, a little of both
[02:54] <mdke> i can't seem to download my breezy packages: get connection refused from the various archives.ubuntu.com I've tried. Does anyone know what might be up?
[02:55] <bob2> OddAbe19: I mean "what's the point of making your own k7-specific package if it's not actually faster?"
[02:55] <OddAbe19> it sort of is, loads faster
[02:55] <OddAbe19> and some of the plugins work better
[02:55] <OddAbe19> that's why
[02:55] <OddAbe19> it's because i'm a speed whore and want to get every last bit
[02:55] <OddAbe19> lol
[02:56] <bob2> ah, so, you have benchmarked it and found it faster
[02:56] <OddAbe19> meh
[02:56] <OddAbe19> lol
[02:56] <OddAbe19> if by benchmark you mean stopwatch
[02:56] <OddAbe19> lol
[02:56] <OddAbe19> human error
[02:56] <OddAbe19> tenth of seconds faster
[02:56] <OddAbe19> but i'm a speed whore
[02:59] <carstenh> OddAbe19: how much time do you spend to optimize your system?
[03:00] <OddAbe19> not much
[03:00] <OddAbe19> just most packages i use usually
[03:00] <OddAbe19> and my kernel
[03:45] <tseng> "my name is nikolai, and I'm that annoying guy who keeps pushing his idea of a new logo/mascot for ubuntu: the medicine mask!"
[03:45] <tseng> speachless.
[03:47] <sladen> tseng: -devel/-users?
[03:47] <slomo> tseng: lol
[03:47] <tseng> sladen: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-July/thread.html
[03:47] <tseng> sladen: he posted in triplicate (html)
[03:48] <tseng> THE MASK CONQUERS ALL
[03:48] <bob2> ugo: the list, not the channel
[03:49] <ugo> im not pasting anything here bob2
[03:49] <ugo> jeeze...lighten up
[03:49] <tseng> bob2 is the channel hammer dude
[03:49] <sladen> oh, in an HTML stripped part, even better
[03:50] <ugo> yeah he did a fine job on two "sweethearts" about an hr ago
[03:59] <Amaranth> cool, debian's udev problem got resolved
[04:04] <Amaranth> sabdfl and mdz got drunk and started dancing together? i can't see the video, it's gone
[04:04] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:29] <lamont> eh?
[04:30] <lamont> Riddell: what do you need poked?
[04:31] <lamont> xcursor.  rigth.
[04:31] <lamont> dep-wait cleared.
[04:38] <ugo> *blinks*
[04:39] <ugo> so sorry to disturb but does anyone know if its possible to have gcc3 and gcc4 on the same box
[04:39] <Amaranth> aye
[04:39] <bddebian> Should be fine
[04:39] <Amaranth> I have /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 and /usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[04:40] <ugo> Armanath im guessing this isn't the proverbial aptitude install
[04:40] <TerminX> daniels: you have an ETA on the xdpyinfo/xhost/xrandr/xsetmode/xsetpointer packages?
[04:40] <Amaranth> TerminX: Next week, maybe.
[04:41] <TerminX> d'oh
[04:41] <TerminX> I thought that he'd said "tomorrow" when asked about it yesterday
[04:41] <TerminX> I guess I was mistaken :)
[04:43] <seth_k> btw that Nikolai guy is insane, the medicine mask guy. He does not understand the concept of mailing lists at all
[04:43] <seth_k> plus his mask sucks, because 1) it's too complex for a logo, 2) it doesn't represent Ubuntu, 3) it is rather stereotypical, 4) it is ugly (opinion)
[04:45] <sladen> seth_k: the artwork itself is good.  Whether it fits is, as your say, another matter
[09:54] <Amaranth> do you guys agree with this: "If 'Aunt Tilly' needs to use distutils we've already failed."?
[09:54] <Burgundavia> probably
[09:54] <bob2> python distutils?
[09:55] <Amaranth> yeah
[09:55] <jdub> Amaranth: is aunt tilly a web developer?
[09:55] <jdub> (or above)
[09:55] <Amaranth> no, aunt tilly is esr's fictional end-user
[09:56] <Amaranth> she _might_ know what firefox is
[09:56] <jdub> end users can be low end developers
[09:56] <Amaranth> maybe
[09:56] <Amaranth> if her nephew has explained it to her more than once
[09:56] <jdub> but if she's specifically not, then yes, it's absolutely insane
[09:56] <Burgundavia> jdub, can you give me a quick opinion on the wiki page death I just sent to the -devel list?
[09:57] <Amaranth> Basically if someone knows what distutils is, they should know how to get it or how to get help.
[09:57] <Amaranth> If they don't know what it is and need to use it, we've failed.
[09:57] <jdub> Burgundavia: dunno
[09:58] <Burgundavia> jdub, that was quick but no exactly what I was looking for ;)
[09:59] <jdub> you're not really asking the right person
[09:59] <Burgundavia> who should I ask?
[10:03] <jdub> Burgundavia: you've posted your question to the right list
[10:03] <jdub> "It's target audience is high school students and Refugees."
[10:03] <jdub> ^ awesome
[10:03] <jdub> that is one heck of a target market specification
[10:03] <daniels> that apostrophe is grating on my eyeballs
[10:04] <Treenaks> jdub: second-hand bookstore?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> jdub, cheers and I understand you just got back from japan
[10:05] <jdub> Burgundavia: i did? rad.
[10:05] <Burgundavia> oh
[10:05] <Burgundavia> did you enjoy your non-trip?
[10:06] <Treenaks> someone really needs to fix the launchpad SSL key
[10:06] <jdub> Treenaks: ubuntu lite
[10:07] <Treenaks> jdub: Cool
[10:17] <fabbione> morning
[10:19] <fabbione> jdub: ping?
[10:29] <madduck> when and where is ubuntuconf? is there a url?
[10:29] <bob2> not announced yet
[10:29] <madduck> mh, ok.
[10:46] <pef> hi
[11:14] <davyd> hey, does anyone have links to an amd64 binary for xbase-clients -36?
[11:16] <davyd> ok, possibly ignore me on that front
[11:17] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:17] <Amaranth> still need it?
[11:18] <davyd> I didn't get around to fixing it last night
[11:18] <davyd> I saw the xlibs links though, now I just need to grab them
[11:18] <davyd> mmm, w3m
[11:18] <Amaranth> ok...
[11:19] <Amaranth> still need it?
[11:19] <Amaranth> yes or no please, it's 4am
[11:19] <Amaranth> doesn't matter anyway, morgue.ubuntu.com doesn't have them
[11:20] <davyd> morgue seems to be dead
[11:20] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:21] <davyd> ok, I seem to have found them
[11:21] <Amaranth> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xbase-clients_6.8.2-36_amd64.deb
[11:21] <Amaranth> err
[11:21] <Amaranth> oh yeah, the amd64 buildds fell over
[11:21] <Amaranth> you shouldn't have any problem on amd64, it looks like the latest X you have is -36 anyway
[11:22] <davyd> yeah, except for xlibs
[11:22] <davyd> which is arch 'all'
[11:22] <Amaranth> xlibs -42 is fine here?
[11:22] <Amaranth> wait, no it isn't
[11:22] <Amaranth> -41 was
[11:22] <daniels> -42 shouldn't be any more broken than -41, certainly
[11:22] <daniels> at least, I don't think
[11:23] <Amaranth> but xlibs is just a metapackage, isn't it?
[11:23] <daniels> davyd: if it's any consolation, my laptop is stuck in console mode, my amd64 won't accept any keyboard input, and my powerpc is also in the console
[11:23] <Amaranth> i guess that's great motivation to fix something though :D
[11:23] <daniels> yeah -- specifically, the modular server
[11:24] <daniels> which I'm fixing now
[11:24] <Amaranth> btw, are the all changes you're making going into xorg cvs?
[11:24] <daniels> trying to track down exactly how gcc4 miscompiles i810_drv.o, making the modular server happy with big-endian machines, and stuff
[11:24] <daniels> yeah, they are
[11:24] <Amaranth> gcc bugs are always fun
[11:24] <davyd> daniels ; are you in Melbourne at the moment?
[11:24] <Amaranth> did it work on 4.0.0?
[11:24] <daniels> davyd: yeah
[11:25] <davyd> daniels ; someone said you weren't
[11:25] <daniels> Amaranth: pretty sure it didn't
[11:25] <davyd> daniels ; is there some sort of mail order liquor store in Melbourne?
[11:25] <daniels> davyd: uhm nope, I've been here for a fair while now
[11:25] <daniels> davyd: since LinuxTag
[11:25] <daniels> davyd: not that I'm aware of ...
[11:25] <davyd> daniels ; hmm
[11:26] <davyd> I was going to send you a sixpack, but I'm too stingy to fedex it from Perth
[11:26] <daniels> haha
[11:26] <daniels> dude
[11:26] <daniels> what for?
[11:26] <davyd> daniels ; because I said I would, and you refused to fix my Xserver till I do
[11:26] <cat> hey everyone
[11:26] <davyd> and maybe then you'd feel guilty and drunk
[11:26] <davyd> and perhaps you'd fix it
[11:27] <davyd> I need to buy more Squire, so that I can read chapters 2, 3 and 5 of the fucking story
[11:27] <davyd> because my six-pack only had chapters 1, 4 and 6
[11:27] <davyd> twice!
[11:28] <davyd> also, it seems wrong to be using a console on a 20" LCD screen
[11:28] <davyd> daniels ; what's your ETA for getting some sanity into this?
[11:29] <davyd> that seems to be messing up my dependancy tree pretty bad
[11:30] <\sh> amd64?
[11:30] <\sh> it's out of order..,-)
[11:30] <daniels> davyd: amd64's buildds are all dead
[11:30] <fabbione> go GCC-4.0 it's your birthday!
[11:30] <davyd> daniels ; oh man, still?
[11:31] <daniels> davyd: well, elmo's been on holiday ...
[11:31] <daniels> davyd: making xbase-clients and xlibs installable are my first priorities, bugger everything else
[11:31] <davyd> daniels ; righto
[11:31] <daniels> i'm forecasting tuesday
[11:31] <davyd> I can start building things
[11:31] <davyd> do source packages still get updated when the binaries don't?
[11:31] <daniels> because at this stage, I need to modularise every single remaining library before xdpyinfo can be built
[11:33] <davyd> excelltn, now I can install gdm
[11:33] <davyd> I feel like a gentoo user
[11:34] <\sh> davyd: oh u r using this funny little filemanager as well? *lol*
[11:35] <davyd> hmm?
[11:35] <davyd> how hard is it to set up a buildd?
[11:35] <Amaranth> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/gentoo
[11:36] <davyd> oh, I know about that thingy
[11:37] <davyd> I almost installed fc4 on this machine
[11:37] <Amaranth> disturbingly ugly
[11:37] <davyd> because it has the tools I need
[11:37] <eruin> should I create an enh.bug on the ubuntu bugzilla if I'd like to see some added functionality for shares-admin ?
[11:37] <Amaranth> naughty!
[11:37] <davyd> but I would have no idea how to install Mono on it
[11:37] <davyd> or a chroot
[11:37] <davyd> dchroot and debootstrap are wonderful tools
[11:37] <eruin> or should I take the discussion to the seemingly dead system-tools list on mail.gnome?
[11:38] <davyd> eruin ; why not file it in the GNOME bugzilla?
[11:38] <\sh> davyd: it's funny that u can do a `emerge debootstrap` on Gentoo ,-)
[11:38] <eruin> that's probably the best now that you mention it :)
[11:38] <davyd> \sh ; does it work the same?
[11:38] <davyd> ie. install a Debian chroot?
[11:38] <\sh> davyd: yes
[11:38] <Treenaks> \sh: any idea why wine is still uninstallable in breezy?
[11:38] <Treenaks> \sh: (the GLU mess?)
[11:38] <Amaranth> daniels: i thought you said you could only get xbase-clients done by tuesday if you worked non-stop through the weekend and didn't have any problems
[11:39] <\sh> treenaks: it builds ... lemme check
[11:39] <davyd> I didn't realise how patched Fedora was till I started using it at work
[11:39] <eruin> Treenaks, its due to xorg being broken
[11:39] <Treenaks> eruin: GLU madness
[11:39] <Amaranth> Yeah, blame everything on xorg being broken!
[11:39] <Amaranth> :)
[11:39] <davyd> but it did ship with GCC-4.0, which was a nice touch
[11:39] <eruin> xrandr not split out etc
[11:39] <Treenaks> Amaranth: but wasn't xorg broken because of GTK boogz?
[11:39] <\sh> treenaks: i will give it a punch in the face...now
[11:39] <Amaranth> haha
[11:40] <Treenaks> \sh: \o/
[11:40] <\sh> or me?
[11:40] <Amaranth> "it's a bug in GTK" then it got fixed in xorg :)
[11:40] <Treenaks> \sh: I'm building the current source locally now.. see if it works
[11:40] <davyd> daniels ; non the less, if you locate some sort of online beer mail order system, located in fair Melbourne, let me know
[11:40] <\sh> no I don't blame anybody for doing mistakes...
[11:40] <eruin> davyd, oooh, no more leaving the house?
[11:40] <Amaranth> davyd: That'd be stupid, kids would be ordering beer.
[11:41] <daniels> davyd: heh, sure
[11:41] <davyd> dude, this is Australia
[11:41] <eruin> kids can already buy beer :p
[11:41] <davyd> kids already buy beer
[11:41] <davyd> you see them on the foreshore drinking EB
[11:41] <daniels> Amaranth: i think if I work non-stop through monday and tuesday with no problems, I can sort it
[11:41] <Burgundavia> any timeframe on the new live/install work landing?
[11:41] <daniels> Amaranth: i'm actually using my weekend as a weekend; it's novel
[11:41] <davyd> thankfully they stopped making Swan Gold
[11:41] <daniels> (hacking on the modular server instead)
[11:41] <Amaranth> daniels: wtf are you doing on IRC then?
[11:42] <Amaranth> haha
[11:42] <daniels> davyd: eep, swan is terrible
[11:42] <daniels> Amaranth: sucker for punishment
[11:42] <\sh> hmm
[11:42] <Amaranth> this exa stuff seems pretty buggy
[11:42] <davyd> daniels ; exactly
[11:43] <Amaranth> eek, i accidently found the detach tab keyboard shortcut in xchat
[11:43] <\sh> strange dependency
[11:43] <davyd> ctrl-I
[11:43] <Amaranth> whew
[11:43] <Amaranth> i couldn't get it back
[11:44] <davyd> the problem with working in open source is that the idea of a weekend becomes blurred
[11:44] <\sh> aye
[11:44] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:44] <davyd> I am experiencing a similar problem with this working from home thing
[11:44] <\sh> mesa-common-dev
[11:44] <Amaranth> weekends are when your users will bitch the most
[11:44] <\sh> is seriously b0rked
[11:44] <Nafallo> my rhythmbox craches ;-)
[11:44] <davyd> brilliant idea, write it down, explore it a bit, find you've implemented it
[11:44] <Amaranth> Nafallo: Mine plays the flute.
[11:44] <Nafallo> or really, it crashes :-)
[11:44] <\sh> ok...fixing first the mesa deps in mesa-common-dev
[11:45] <davyd> hmm, it's always the -data packages
[11:45] <Nafallo> Amaranth: I'm on amd64, I guess I build it locally soonisch :-)
[11:45] <eruin> anyone here have xbase-clients -36 ?
[11:45] <davyd> the buildd dies and it all goes to shit
[11:45] <davyd> because there are still new -data packages
[11:45] <Amaranth> haha
[11:45] <Amaranth> someone has a mirror of them too
[11:46] <Amaranth> if you can find them in the logs
[11:46] <Nafallo> Amaranth: baah, I got a pbuilder :-). the only problem is getting source over this crappy ADSL of mine ;-)
[11:47] <Amaranth> Nafallo: i meant xlibs-data 6.8.2-36 :)
[11:47] <Nafallo> Amaranth: ahh *s*
[11:47] <Amaranth> my muine and rhythmbox both suck
[11:47] <Amaranth> something somewhere forgot to check for errors
[11:47] <eruin> grab sonance cvs :)
[11:47] <cat> well, i wanna help out two (:
[11:47] <Amaranth> probably in id3 reading, everyone seems to suck at that
[11:48] <Amaranth> sonance cvs starts, randomly
[11:48] <eruin> ehehe
[11:48] <Amaranth> i mean, sometimes i get a real GUI, sometimes i get half a gui overlapping itself
[11:48] <Amaranth> that is insensitive
[11:48] <eruin> that's cute
[11:48] <Amaranth> but some of the things still prelight
[11:48] <Burgundavia> daniels, when should I start reporting X autoconfig regression bugs?
[11:49] <cat> hey if i want to help out packaging what should i do?
[11:49] <Burgundavia> cat, talk to the people in #ubuntu-motu
[11:49] <Amaranth> cat: join the MOTU :)
[11:49] <Nafallo> cat: basically repeat that sentence in #ubuntu-motu :-)
[11:49] <cat> alright (:
[11:50] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:50] <\sh> actually...
[11:50] <\sh> I know where this comes from...
[11:50] <\sh> wine_0.0.20050628 is not in the archives..
[11:51] <\sh> the source yes...but not the binaries
[11:51] <Treenaks> \sh: then there was a build error
[11:51] <\sh> no
[11:51] <Treenaks> no?
[11:51] <\sh> it's in new i think
[11:51] <Treenaks> \sh: wine is already packaged.. how can it be in NEW
[11:52] <Treenaks> \sh: it should just replace it
[11:52] <\sh> no...i will replace a lot of old bins...and I think it's stucked somewhere
[11:52] <\sh> i386 is build
[11:52] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wine/0.0.20050628-1/
[11:54] <\sh> Treenaks: have the same problem with gfccore
[11:56] <\sh> but it's a good time to upload it with the right version number ,-)
[12:15] <\sh> guys...can anyone approve my theory, that right now, "empty the trash" in gnome is not working?
[12:17] <Amaranth> you have something in there you aren't allowed to delete?
[12:17] <chris`> \sh, in my breezy it works fine...
[12:18] <\sh> hmmm...
[12:18] <\sh> Amaranth: no
[12:18] <\sh> oh
[12:18] <\sh> moment
[12:18] <\sh> funny
[12:18] <littlepaul> \sh it works for me too
[12:19] <\sh> empty trash doesn't update the trash ...clicking on the files with the right mb..disappeared...strane
[12:20] <\sh> can someone kick kdelibs4 again,pls?
[12:41] <\sh> moins pitti
[12:41] <sivang> pitti: Hey Martin :-)
[12:42] <Mithrandir> pitti: do you have pmount in a baz archive somewhere?
[12:42] <pitti> Mithrandir: it's in bzr
[12:43] <Mithrandir> pitti: hm, ok.
[12:43] <pitti> Mithrandir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/bzr/pmount
[12:43] <Mithrandir> pitti: shame you left already, I wanted to discuss some stuff about mmount with you.  Basically what hooks would be good for you to have.
[12:44] <sivang> Mithrandir: mmount the successor to pmount? :-)
[12:44] <Mithrandir> sivang: no, the modular mount which is the successor to the current mount.
[12:44] <Mithrandir> hopefully.
[12:47] <pitti> Mithrandir: so far I need hooks for "authentication" (removable, fstab, /etc/pmount.allow) and some device map checks (is a device encrypted and devmapper needs to be set up?)
[12:47] <Mithrandir> pitti: pmount shouldn't care about encrypted stuff, that should be a luks plugin.
[12:47] <Mithrandir> pitti: plugins should be stackable
[12:48] <Mithrandir> have to run now, I'll be back in half an hour or so
[12:57] <jdthood> pitti: I want to reassign a bug.  In what package would a new button on System|Preferences|Sound be implemented?
[12:58] <pitti> jdthood: I think it's control-center
[12:58] <jdthood> k
[12:59] <jdthood> There is also a 'gnome-control-center'.  Not that, eh?
[12:59] <Burgundavia> jdthood, that is it
[12:59] <jdthood> thanks
[01:04] <shackan_> hi pitti
[01:05] <\sh> I wonder if it's possible to build wine on amd64
[01:12] <davyd> hmm, I still can't start X
[01:13] <\sh> davyd: fixed font?
[01:13] <davyd> \sh ; wine will work in a chroot, I don't like your chances of making it work in 64-bit
[01:13] <\sh> davyd: no..i mean using 32bit compat libs for amd64 e.g.
[01:14] <ogra> \sh, just building it...
[01:14] <\sh> ogra: nice :)
[01:15] <\sh> looking at the time...
[01:15] <ogra> \sh, lets see.... needs about 100 pkgs not in my pbuilder yet
[01:15] <ogra> meh
[01:15] <ogra> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/libxaw7_6.8.2-34_amd64.deb
[01:16] <davyd> hmm, I don't like the error that Xorg is giving me
[01:17] <davyd> failed to load module keyboard
[01:17] <davyd> failed to load module mouse
[01:17] <davyd> failed to load module nvidia
[01:17] <\sh> change "keyboard" to "kbd"
[01:17] <pitti> Hi shackan_
[01:18] <davyd> \sh ; where does this change come from?
[01:19] <davyd> this is xorg-36
[01:19] <\sh> oh..
[01:19] <\sh> I have -42
[01:19] <\sh> yeah...-36 should be keyboard
[01:20] <davyd> hmm, it's a bit strange
[01:20] <Nafallo> I got -36 and has to use kbd, fwiw
[01:20] <davyd> well, what about the other two?
[01:21] <davyd> incidently 'kbd' doesn't fix it
[01:21] <Nafallo> davyd: you will want xserver-xorg-input-{kbd,mouse}
[01:22] <davyd> aah, nice
[01:22] <Nafallo> xserver-xorg-driver-nv should be nvidia :-)
[01:22] <tseng> +1 funny
[01:25] <davyd> ok, so I have everything bar whatever is needed to make nvidia work
[01:27] <davyd> which is nicely uninstallable
[01:27] <ogra> davyd, that in l-r-m .... we dont have it yet
[01:27] <ogra> thats even
[01:28] <davyd> ogra ; I built the kernel module by hand
[01:28] <ogra> ah
[01:28] <davyd> using make-kpkg, the old fashioned way
[01:28] <davyd> nvidia-glx appears to have what I want, I might have to have a crack at building it later
[01:28] <ogra> \sh, wine with gcc4 seems not to work on amd64
[01:28] <ogra> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:29] <\sh> ogra: hmmm....
[01:29] <davyd> ogra ; check config.log
[01:29] <davyd> you may be missing libraries
[01:29] <ogra> davyd, yes... sadly my pbuilder doesnt keep config.log....
[01:29] <tseng> wine works on !x86?
[01:29] <Amaranth> ha, no
[01:29] <Amaranth> it _might_ work on amd64 compiled as a 32-bit app though
[01:29] <\sh> --enable-win64          build a Win64 emulator on AMD64 (won't run Win32 binaries)
[01:30] <ogra> tseng, they *wanted* to make it work on amd64 and ppc, but i havent heard about it yet, so we are trying
[01:30] <Amaranth> worthless
[01:30] <\sh> but this is not
[01:30] <\sh> I want to have a wine for adm64 running 32bit win apps
[01:30] <Amaranth> the darwine project is the only thing i know about as far as ppc goes
[01:31] <Amaranth> doesn't that require a 32-bit xserver and everything else wine uses?
[01:31] <\sh> what are the 32bit compat libs for amd64 to run 32bit apps?
[01:31] <ogra> ia32-libs ?
[01:33] <\sh> ogra: put it into the b-d ,-) what ever
[01:34] <ogra> i'm just trying to figure out where the -m32 compilerflag comes from...
[01:34] <ogra> probably disabling that is enough
[01:35] <\sh> configure.ac
[01:35] <\sh> if test "x$enable_win64" != "xyes"
[01:35] <\sh>     then
[01:35] <\sh>       test -n "$CC" || CC="gcc -m32"
[01:36] <\sh> and ff
[01:37] <ogra> aa
[01:41] <davyd> I think you'll need to run wine as a 32-bit binary
[01:41] <davyd> else how will you link into 32-bit windows DLLs?
[01:42] <Treenaks> davyd: the same way windows itself does that ?
[01:42] <Treenaks> davyd: (the 64-bit windows thing)
[01:44] <davyd> treenaks, last time I played with 64-bit windows it was (a) crack and (b) didn't run 32-bit code
[01:44] <davyd> I wonder if they've fixed it
[01:45] <Treenaks> davyd: Windows is crack anyway..
[01:46] <davyd> hmm, I need a new xlibmesa-glu
[01:46] <davyd> which apparently means I need the X.org source
[01:46] <davyd> I guess that's why it's being modularized
[01:48] <tseng> davyd: heh, known issue that my battery applet goes up to 135% now?
[01:48] <davyd> tseng ; are you using the HAL backend?
[01:48] <davyd> it seems to do exciting things
[01:49] <tseng> hm I guess
[01:49] <Treenaks> tseng: it's just a very good battery ;)
[01:49] <ogra> tseng, battery applet will go...
[01:49] <davyd> rather then copy our battery code, that took years to work around all the shitty bugs
[01:49] <ogra> tseng, we'll have gnome-power
[01:49] <davyd> they've started again
[01:49] <davyd> so they're getting all the same issues
[01:50] <davyd> gnome-power or PowerManager or whatever they've now called it, shouldn't have an applet
[01:50] <ogra> davyd, do you use richard huges' acpi backend in HAL ?
[01:50] <davyd> it should just be a policy system
[01:50] <davyd> ogra ; I think he wrote a heap of it
[01:50] <ogra> davyd, yes... i was wondering if you use this for your applet
[01:51] <Amaranth> today's userfriendly rocks
[01:51] <Amaranth> http://www.userfriendly.org/
[01:51] <ogra> gnome-power has a notification area icon...for the battery... and uses libnotify now
[01:51] <ogra> \sh, wine throws a millon warnings about signedness, but compiles now :)
[01:52] <ogra> eeek
[01:53] <ogra> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[01:53] <ogra> GRRRR
[01:55] <sivang> anybody see seb128? knows if he's supposed to come back?
[01:55] <ogra> sivang, its sunday.... and the weather is nice....
[01:59] <davyd> yeah, we're using HAL now, but it might get backed out for 2.12
[01:59] <davyd> it's a little dodgy in places
[01:59] <davyd> but it does need testing
[02:00] <davyd> because it's our ultimate goal to lose the other backends
[02:02] <\sh> ogra: hihi
[02:03] <ogra> davyd, yep, HAL should be the center of the HW world...
[02:04] <sivang> ogra: hehe
[02:04] <sivang> ogra: so why aren't you out in the sun? :-)
[02:04] <ogra> sivang, i have a terrace with wlan ;)
[02:06] <ogra> \sh, sadly my pbuilder gets xlibs-dev -42 but all other X is -36 ..... so libxext is incompatible... wont work before the archive is in shape again :/
[02:09] <sivang> ogra: woo , makes me wanna come and visit you there even more :-)
[02:10] <ogra> its not as shiny as it appears, but .... :)
[02:15] <\sh> ogra: yep
[02:15] <Lathiat_> davyd: hal for what?
[02:16] <ogra> Lathiat_, *all* hardware interaction....
[02:16] <ogra> Lathiat_, in the curent case for battery monitoring....
[02:18] <Lathiat_> ogra: right, the problem is, gnome runs on !linux
[02:18] <Lathiat_> and hal runs on *linux
[02:18] <Lathiat_> right?
[02:18] <ogra> nope
[02:18] <ogra> hal also runs on solaris afaik... and they are porting it further....
[02:18] <Lathiat_> oh?
[02:19] <Lathiat_> didnt know that
[02:19] <Lathiat_> cool
[02:19] <ogra> note, i'm talking about CVS here....
[02:20] <jdthood> pitti: Good news and bad news.  Which do you want first?
[02:20] <Lathiat_> ogra: ya, cool none the less
[02:21] <pitti> jdthood: hard choice... good one?
[02:21] <jdthood> pitti: The good news is that I have added lsb init function support to the ALSA mixer-level restoring initscript, thus dispensing with the need to patch it.
[02:22] <pitti> yay
[02:22] <pitti> jdthood: you now detect for the lsb-init include file and use it if it's available?
[02:22] <jdthood> yep
[02:22] <pitti> jdthood: (that's what I did for postgresql-common)
[02:24] <Amaranth> http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ <--i need one
[02:25] <jdthood> pitti: The bad news is that the initscript has been split into two.  /etc/init.d/alsa now does module (un|re)loading.  /etc/init.d/alsa-utils does mixer level restoring.  Hopefully this won't cause too many headaches.
[02:25] <jdthood> alsa-base and alsa-utils no longer Depend on each other.
[02:26] <mitsuhiko> Amaranth: wow. thats cool
[02:26] <pitti> jdthood: that should be fine, thanks for the notification
[02:26] <pitti> jdthood: shouldn't module loading be performed by hotplug?
[02:26] <ogra> Amaranth, the mouse is way ooler :)
[02:26] <ogra> cooler even
[02:27] <jdthood> pitti: Yes.
[02:27] <jdthood> pitt: /etc/init.d/alsa is no longer linked into the runlevel directories
[02:27] <Amaranth> ogra: haha, it's goofy
[02:27] <mitsuhiko> Arrogance: has this keyboard linux support?
[02:27] <jdthood> It gets called from alsa-modules* postinst and from /etc/apm/scripts.d/alsa
[02:28] <Amaranth> mitsuhiko: This keyboard isn't available yet.
[02:28] <Amaranth> mitsuhiko: They mention 'open-source' though.
[02:28] <jdthood> ... if the user has set "force_unload_modules_before_suspend" to something.
[02:28] <mitsuhiko> i want it :)
[02:41] <mitsuhiko> Amaranth: http://www.daskeyboard.com/ <== another good keyboard :)
[02:42] <Amaranth> http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/determinator/caller_id/ sneaky
[02:43] <mitsuhiko> Amaranth: don't understand a singel word :(
[02:43] <Amaranth> neither do i
[02:43] <Amaranth> it's a caller id
[02:43] <Amaranth> really small, patched right into the line
[02:44] <davyd> hmm, was it X.org 41 or 42 that was broken?
[03:14] <Amaranth> both
[03:18] <\sh> http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/60-Launchpad,-Google-and-why-Microsoft-is-not-the-problem.html
[03:20] <\sh> cu later dudes..have to think about this...and have a shower :)
[03:36] <Amaranth> *yawn*
[03:36] <Amaranth> It's not Free so it might be evil.
[03:37] <Amaranth> It's obviously a conspiracy against the people of the world.
[04:04] <sivang> \sh: that's you're blog post?
[04:08] <Nafallo> sivang: naah, joachim breitner.
[04:09] <sivang> Nafallo: interesting mind excersize :-)
[04:10] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:29] <zyga> hello
[04:33] <LinuxJones> zyga, hiya
[05:04] <Seveas> is there a preseed expert in here who can answer a few simple wuestions?
[05:13] <\sh> sivang: no
[05:15] <sivang> \sh: sure, I guessed it already :-)
[05:18] <Seveas> it's JB's second 'attack' on Canonical/Ubuntu in one day :)
[05:19] <\sh> lol
[05:19] <\sh> they helping us...it's positiv ,-)
[05:19] <Nafallo> depends on how you look at it :-)
[05:20] <Seveas> the tone of the blogposts is quite negative though
[05:20] <Nafallo> the first one is something we want done and needs help with.
[05:20] <Nafallo> the second is more an attack on canonical than ubuntu ;-)
[05:21] <Seveas> so I guess there is no preseeding/d-i guy in here now..?
[05:21] <\sh> Nafallo: well...i wouldn't mind if matthew szulik and mark are sitting the next time together in a small restaurant and talking about kicking ms and sun
[05:22] <\sh> but I think matthew is the wrong guy for it..lets talk to bob young :)
[05:22] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[05:23] <\sh> a really nice star linux alliance between fedora and ubuntu / redhat and canonical
[05:24] <Kamion> Seveas: maybe, though I'm mostly doing Debian stuff today
[05:27] <Seveas> Kamion, just 2 simple generic questions: if I install a package via apt-get in base-config/late-command, can I preseed it in the same file? And which task for tasksel installs ubuntu-base?
[05:27] <Seveas> (same file refers to the preseeding file)
[05:29] <Kamion> Seveas: 1) yes, you can; however it would be easier to preseed base-config/package-selection
[05:29] <Kamion> default value is ~tubuntu-standard|~tubuntu-desktop; it's an aptitude pattern, see the aptitude docs
[05:29] <Seveas> Kamion, ahhhh, that answers 2) too, simply install no packages with tasksel :)
[05:30] <Kamion> Seveas: 2) we do not use tasksel; debootstrap is called from base-installer and installs the base system
[05:30] <Seveas> thank you!
[05:30] <Kamion> tasksel isn't even in Ubuntu main, actually
[05:30] <Seveas> heh :)
[05:30] <Seveas> the installer manual does use it :)
[05:33] <Kamion> Seveas: mm, yeah, that would be out of date
[05:33] <Kamion> I've updated a lot of the manual, but not all of it
[05:33] <Seveas> does this also work for PXEboot installs?
[05:34] <Seveas> appendix C-1, the default preseeding file contains this info by the way (in case you are interested)
[05:41] <Kamion> Seveas: yes, no difference between cdrom and netboot there
[05:46] <Seveas> Kamion, once again: thanks very much!
[06:15] <fabbione> hmmm
[06:15] <fabbione> what package is lacking /usr/lib/libXrender.la ?
[06:16] <tuhl> what has to be done to fix the broken X? update the system? is this enough?
[06:16] <ogra> fabbione, libxrender-dev
[06:17] <fabbione> GRRR
[06:17] <fabbione> daniels: ???
[06:17] <ogra> yep
[06:17] <fabbione> it just made gcc-4.0 FTBFS after 10MB of log
[06:17] <ogra> gcc ?
[06:17] <fabbione> yes
[06:18] <ogra> why does it depend on xrender ?
[06:18] <fabbione> no gcc needs gtk that pulls in xrender somewhere as B-D and linking
[06:18] <ogra> err, and why does gcc need gtk ? seems somewhat strange
[06:19] <fabbione> it does.. ask doko :)
[06:19] <ogra> weird
[06:19] <fabbione> we also need to import slang2
[06:20] <fabbione> otherwise quite a bunch of pkgs in main are FTBFS
[06:20] <ogra> hmm...
[06:21] <ogra> sounds like there are other transitions waiting for universe
[06:21] <fabbione> Kamion: there are 3 or 4 binaries for sparc waiting to be NEW'ed...
[06:21] <fabbione> Kamion: can you be so kind to give them love?
[06:21] <zyga> gcc needs gtk?
[06:22] <Mithrandir> zyga: gcj needs it for some swing stuff, at least.
[06:22] <zyga> ah...
[06:22] <zyga> makes sense then
[06:22] <fabbione> MOTU's are going to be soon very busy
[06:22] <zyga> the time when your compiler depends on a gui toolkit is troubling though :>
[06:23] <ogra> hmm, they should be split into two packages then... having the main compiler depending on gui stuff doesnt seem sane to me...
[06:23] <fabbione> ogra: that's no option with gcc
[06:23] <ogra> :-/
[06:23] <zyga> fabbione: can't gcc be built withoug java?
[06:24] <zyga> silly questiong
[06:24] <fabbione> zyga: than you don't have java
[06:24] <zyga> there are separete packages for gcj and stuff but they all build from gcc
[06:24] <zyga> sorry
[06:25] <fabbione> bootstrapping compilers is not exactly simple
[06:26] <tuhl> X is still no starting after an update
[06:28] <Amaranth> fabbione: libXrender.la no longer exists
[06:29] <Amaranth> fabbione: daniels seems to be happy to be rid of it
[06:29] <Kamion> ogra: the main compiler doesn't depend on GUI stuff; it *build*-depends
[06:29] <Amaranth> tuhl: You'll have to wait for daniels to finish his work on xbase-clients for X to be usable.
[06:29] <tuhl> Amaranth: thanks for the info
[06:29] <Kamion> fabbione: the sparc binaries are all part of other things; I was kind of planning to leave those to elmo
[06:30] <fabbione> Kamion: hmm ok..
[06:31] <fabbione> Amaranth: if daniels got rid of that, than we a have circular B-D problem....
[06:31] <fabbione> because i need new gcc to (probably) fix a bug in the actual gcc...
[06:31] <Nafallo> have eny decisions been taken on what proxy to use for
[06:31] <Nafallo>
[06:31] <Nafallo> NetworkWideUpdates
[06:31] <Nafallo> ?
[06:31] <fabbione> that means i can't build the new gtk to get rid of that .la thingy
[06:31] <Amaranth> fabbione: kick ass
[06:31] <Amaranth> :/
[06:32] <Amaranth> seb was working on making the GNOME stack stop using it
[06:32] <Amaranth> gnome-terminal, libraries, gtk, etc
[06:32] <fabbione> yeah and gnome is FTBFS due to that gcc bug
[06:32] <Amaranth> oh, fun
[06:32] <Amaranth> is that the same one that is making the i810 driver mess up?
[06:33] <Amaranth> in xorg
[06:33] <fabbione> Amaranth: no. it's a specific sparc bug
[06:33] <Amaranth> oh, sparc
[06:33] <fabbione> the -Wl,--as-needed is broken
[06:33] <Amaranth> yeah, the --as-needed stuff, right?
[06:33] <mjg59> Woo, working usplash demonstration
[06:33] <Amaranth> mjg59: gimme :)
[06:33] <ogra> Kamion, thats still not right in my eyes...
[06:34] <ogra> mjg59, the *real* usplash ?
[06:34] <Amaranth> fabbione: So until you fix gcc you can't fix gtk and until you fix gtk you can't fix gcc.
[06:34] <Amaranth> Nice
[06:34] <fabbione> Amaranth: exactly...
[06:34] <Amaranth> fabbione: hack time, build gtk without --as-needed once
[06:34] <Amaranth> or talk to seb128 :)
[06:34] <sivang> seb128: ping
[06:34] <fabbione> Amaranth: that's what i was planning to
[06:34] <sivang> seb128: did you get my email?
[06:35] <mjg59> ogra: Yes
[06:35] <Amaranth> anyone want any spoilers :D
[06:35] <ogra> wohoo
[06:35] <mjg59> ogra: (I wrote it yesterday)
[06:35] <ogra> yay for mjg59 !!!
[06:35] <seb128> hi
[06:35] <mjg59> Amaranth: Needs a bit of work yet, not least to make it buildable
[06:35] <sivang> hi again seb128  :-)
[06:35] <seb128> sivang: calm, that's the WE
[06:35] <seb128> yes I got the mail
[06:35] <seb128> I've to ping jamesh before packaging the lib
[06:35] <seb128> then I can try the patch
[06:35] <fabbione> Amaranth: i will need to do a local build in a chroot without exporting the binaries, build gcc, be sure that it fixes the relaxation bug, reinstall gcc, rebuild gnome with relaxation, rebuild gcc, upload gcc and rebuild gnome...
[06:36] <fabbione> Amaranth: that's just to be 100% sure not to kill anything
[06:36] <mjg59> It's going to need a bit of work to get it to deal with the initrd/root changeover
[06:36] <sivang> seb128: you can try the patch also, if you take the baz archive and make install it in some chroot or a dev machine
[06:36] <seb128> I know how to install a lib, thanks
[06:36] <seb128> that's just the weekend
[06:36] <sivang> seb128: sure, sorry, I didn't mean it that way
[06:37] <sivang> ogra: what is that gcc bug?
[06:38] <ogra> sivang, there is no bug... gcc build depends on gtk through some java dependencys for gjc
[06:38] <sivang> ogra: ah I see
[06:40] <sivang> seb128: ok, so let me know when the pkg is in, as I will continue patching apps using the non pkged version of the lib
[06:40] <seb128> sivang: probably tomorrow
[07:01] <eruin> does anyone have -36 packages of xorg mirrored somewhere?
[07:02] <eruin> tseng, http://tseng.ath.cx/images/cowbell.png - nice battery status :-)
[07:03] <Lathiat_> eruin: i think you'll find he has 2 batteries
[07:04] <jnc> that answers my question
[07:04] <eruin> Lathiat_, never seen that before. cute ;)
[07:04] <tseng> Lathiat_: nope.
[07:04] <tseng> Lathiat_: davyd says its the hal backend
[07:05] <Lathiat_> tseng: oh, heh
[07:05] <jnc> now, with X broken occasionally in development, is there a convenient way to make ubuntu boot into multi-user without X11?
[07:06] <Lathiat_> jnc: if it breaks just login and fix it, if your keybaord gets screwed like mine then boot recovery mode from grub :)
[07:06] <tseng> you could remove gdm from your runlevel
[07:06] <tseng> man update-rc.d
[07:06] <jnc> oh
[07:07] <jnc> no  ubuntu=xbroken  boot flag  ?  ;)
[07:07] <eruin> Lathiat_, got your keybd fixed?
[07:11] <Lathiat_> eruin: yep
[07:11] <eruin> Lathiat_, mind sharing how in a pm? :P
[07:12] <jnc> Lathiat_: that's a bit more permenant than i was looking for, effective though
[07:18] <jnc> :/
[07:18] <jnc> it seems like the Xorg drivers are missing, is that what broke X11?
[07:18] <eruin> well, yes and no
[07:18] <eruin> you should be able to install them fine
[07:18] <jnc> okay
[07:19] <eruin> ie xserver-xorg-input-kbd
[07:19] <eruin> and change keyboard in xorg.conf tokbd
[07:20] <eruin> but now that I think of it, the latest updates seemed to drag in all the drivers I hadn't installed, so I believe that's fixed
[07:20] <jnc> heh
[07:20] <eruin> xkeyboard-config conflicts with xbase-clients though
[07:20] <jnc> i  had a trouble with Xlibs though, it wouldn't fully install
[07:20] <jnc> ah
[07:20] <eruin> rendering my keyboard useless in non-english conversations (and for switching to a terminal)
[07:21] <jnc> :(
[07:21] <jnc> sorry to hear that
[07:22] <eruin> no doubt poor daniel will have it fixed next week :)
[07:22] <jnc> yea
[07:22] <jnc> i'm looking at the output, here it says errors were found while processing xlibs
[07:22] <Amaranth> eruin: Force it through.
[07:22] <jnc> i remember this happened before, and i had to edit some file  and run it manually
[07:23] <jnc> i forgot exactly where that was though
[07:23] <Amaranth> amd64 users need xlibs and xlibs-data 6.8.2-36 and x86 and ppc users need xbase-clients 6.8.2-36
[07:23] <Amaranth> good luck finding these, they aren't in morgue or the archives
[07:24] <eruin> what about i386?
[07:24] <Amaranth> i said that
[07:24] <Amaranth> x86
[07:24] <eruin> I'm halfblid
[07:24] <eruin> blind* :)
[07:25] <eruin> I've got it locally
[07:25] <eruin> yay
[07:25] <jnc> Amaranth: you're referring to using an old version of the package, due to the new one being fubar?
[07:25] <fabbione> seb128: ping?
[07:30] <Amaranth> yes
[07:30] <jnc> hmm xvinfo isn't available on amd64
[07:30] <jnc> i wonder what that i
[07:30] <jnc> s/i$/is/
[07:30] <Lathiat_> jnc: the buildds are broken for amd64 last check
[07:30] <jnc> awwe
[07:30] <Lathiat_> and X has some borked stuff too
[07:30] <Lathiat_> xvinfo is a program that shows info about Xv, which provides video overlays
[07:31] <jnc> thanks for the info
[07:31] <Lathiat_> just bare with the Xorg team
[07:31] <jnc> 'k
[07:31] <jnc> hey, on a different yet related topic,  why is it that i'm running out of X11 connections over a few days?
[07:31] <jnc> eventually i cannot open new X11 client windows
[07:32] <jnc> they  get a message like "maximum X11 clients reached"
[07:32] <jnc> i've seen forum posts about it and the resolve was something like, deal with it just restart X11 every few days
[07:32] <jnc> that's not acceptable IMO
[07:32] <jnc> have you seen this problem?
[08:38] <seb128> fabbione: pong
[08:44] <pef> bye !
[08:45] <Gnobody> ping
[08:48] <Gnobody> pong
[08:48] <Gnobody> marco?
[08:51] <jnc> POLO
[08:52] <jnc> ^||~
[08:52] <jnc> kitty
[10:47] <niran> does anyone know if there's a python library out there for dealing with deb packages?
[10:48] <ogra> python-apt ?
[10:49] <niran> i know i can install packages with that, but i'm trying to extract the .desktop files from packages
[10:55] <fabbione> seb128: sorry i was out.. i think i found the way to get that gnome stuff fixed.. i am doing a set of test build now, but it will take sometime
[10:55] <fabbione> seb128: specially because of that libxrender.la thingy
[10:55] <seb128> cool
[10:55] <fabbione> seb128: gtk+2.0 needs to grow a libxfixes-dev B-D
[10:56] <fabbione> seb128: that will kill libxrender.la from it (on sparc at least)
[10:56] <fabbione> next is libcairo
[10:56] <seb128> what next ?
[10:56] <fabbione> (note i am not uploading anything.. just testing locally)
[10:56] <seb128> libcairo has to come before next gtk upload
[10:56] <seb128> because gtk depends on cairo now
[10:56] <seb128> as pango does
[10:56] <fabbione> after that i can build the new gcc and see if the -Wl,--as-needed is fixed there
[10:57] <fabbione> seb128: i am using a grep in /usr/lib atm to check what is still mentioning libxrender
[10:57] <fabbione> just to be able to build the latest gcc
[10:57] <seb128> I does the same here when I get a ftbfs :p
[10:57] <fabbione> (long story about gcc..)
[10:58] <fabbione> gcc FTBFS at the first run on gnat... today i did give it back for a mistake and it was building till the libxrender :)
[10:58] <fabbione> go figure..
[10:58] <fabbione> so i realized of all the mess
[10:58] <fabbione> but i need to build gcc before i can really check the liking thing
[10:58] <fabbione> it's a one day job at least
[10:59] <fabbione> actually.. if i could remember how to disable the test suite... it would be only a few hours...
[11:00] <pef> bye !
[11:02] <mxpxpod> I'm trying to make a backup of my laptop since my hard drive is going bad and I need to figure out how to get tar to preserve ownership of directories (NOT files)... does anyone know how to do that?
[11:08] <Lathiat> mxpxpod: -fprdx iirc
[11:08] <mxpxpod> Lathiat: what's r do?
[11:08] <mxpxpod> and d for that matter
[11:08] <Lathiat> -r is recursive
[11:08] <Lathiat> no idea about -d
[11:09] <Lathiat> oh
[11:09] <Lathiat> nevermind me
[11:09] <Lathiat> its 5am, im thinking of copy
[11:09] <mxpxpod> ha
[11:09] <Lathiat> -p doesnt preserve them?
[11:10] <Lathiat> perhaps 'dump' or 'cpio' would be usefull
[11:10] <mxpxpod> what's cpio?
[11:11] <Lathiat> man cpio :)
[11:11] <mxpxpod> :P
[11:16] <mxpxpod> Lathiat: I thought p would preserve them, but for some reason it keeps setting all the directories as belonging to root
[11:16] <mxpxpod> Lathiat: when I extract as root
[11:17] <Lathiat> shrug
[11:17] <Lathiat> sorry
[11:17] <Lathiat> :P)
[11:17] <mdke> there is a good howto on the forum for it
[11:18] <mxpxpod> mdke: for what?
[11:18] <mdke> for making an archive of your installation
[11:18] <mxpxpod> mdke: could you give me a link?
[11:19] <mxpxpod> I'd have to use lynx to search and I'm not really up to that
[11:19] <mdke> ah no problem
[11:20] <mdke> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087
[11:21] <mdke> mxpxpod, ^
[11:23] <tseng> infinity: any chance you can take a look at my buildd gtk-sharp2 issue from some weeks ago?
[11:24] <mxpxpod> mdke: awesome, thanks
[11:25] <Mez> why does ubuntu create /dev/dsp and no /dev/dsp0
[11:26] <Mez> crw-rw-rw-  1 root audio 14,  3 2005-07-17 20:06 /dev/dsp
[11:26] <Mez> crw-rw-rw-  1 root audio 14, 19 2005-07-17 20:07 /dev/dsp1
[11:26] <Mez> crw-rw-rw-  1 root audio 14, 35 2005-07-17 20:07 /dev/dsp2
[11:26] <Mez> shouldnt /dev/dsp be a link to /dev/dsp*
[11:26] <Mez> so that you can change the sound device?
[11:27] <Kamion> that would be an ecumenical^Wudev matter
[11:27] <Kamion> but you can change it in udev configuration anyway, surely?
[11:27] <Kamion> then it persists across reboots etc.
[11:28] <Kamion> not that I know how, offhand
[11:30] <schweeb> Kamion: I've been having problems similar to that for a few days with breezy... udev doesn't create /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice
[11:30] <Kamion> Mez: most other GNU/Linux distributions are moving to udev too
[11:31] <Kamion> schweeb: there was a bug along those lines in Debian lately; I haven't been following it in detail but I think we'll probably just grab a newer version from Debian
[11:31] <schweeb> me being lazy, I just created a shell script to make the dev nodes, lol
[11:32] <Mez> I need to get a sound editor working
[11:32] <Kamion> you can always just move the devices around as a temporary hack
[11:32] <Mez> kamion: I wouldnt trust myself doing that.
[11:32] <tseng> Kamion: can i upload a bugfix mono (manual sync with debian)
[11:33] <Mez> oh, you mean renaming them ?
[11:33] <Mez> would that work?
[11:33] <Kamion> rename == move
[11:33] <Kamion> sure
[11:33] <Mez> and it wouldnt break my comp?
[11:33] <schweeb> Kamion: come to think of it, it started happening after your July 13th upload of 0.060-1ubuntu2 :p
[11:33] <Kamion> I don't see why anything should fall over just because a sound device got renamed
[11:34] <Kamion> schweeb: it was a race condition; it will be difficult to pin down to a single upload. I'm pretty confident my upload changed nothing remotely relevant to that
[11:34] <Mez> Kamion; couldnt I move the compat.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d
[11:34] <Kamion> Mez: not if you don't understand udev
[11:35] <mxpxpod> Nafallo: does backuppc backup a computer so that you can restore the backup to a clean hard drive?
[11:35] <Kamion> and no, that file is shipped by the package so don't move it around
[11:35] <Kamion> tseng: rationale?
[11:35] <schweeb> Kamion: yea.  that's just when it exhibited itself.  although, I can't remember how quickly before that I had rebooted my PC
[11:35] <Mez> Kamion: by the looks of it though, that makes the udev similar to a devfs
[11:35] <Kamion> schweeb: 0.060 proper is a more likely candidate
[11:35] <Kamion> Mez: run away
[11:36] <Mez> Kamion :P I'm messing
[11:36] <Kamion> Mez: we use that in the installer, but only for historical reasons. don't do it just to shift a couple of devices
[11:36] <tseng> Kamion: numerous bugfixes, packaging improvement (it can bootstrap itself properly)
[11:36] <Mez> I jsut need to get this f**king program working so I can edit audio now I've lost Windows
[11:36] <tseng> Kamion: which will fix my earlier DOA upload
[11:36] <Kamion> tseng: needed for applications?
[11:36] <Kamion> oh, yeah, 1.1.8-0pre3ubuntu2 didn't build
[11:36] <tseng> not specifically
[11:37] <tseng> but it can build on its own power.
[11:37] <Kamion> tseng: ok, go ahead
[11:37] <Nafallo> mxpxpod: I've not tried it. on a clean install I'm almost certain you can do that though :-).
[11:37] <tseng> Kamion: thanks.
[11:37] <Kamion> losing that bootstrap madness will be very nice
[11:38] <Nafallo> mxpxpod: or get partimage or something like that :-)
[11:42] <Mez> wtf?
[11:42] <Mez> this is freaky
[11:43] <Mez> this is scary as hell.
[11:44] <mxpxpod> Nafallo: partimage doesn't work on xfs
[11:44] <tseng> Kamion: oh sorry. i forgot to mention this needs cli-common update also
[11:44] <tseng> Kamion: cli-common is just the dh_* scripts. they are fixed up to use internal mono to bootstrap
[11:44] <Mez> ahah
[11:44] <Mez> not so weird anymore
[11:45] <Nafallo> mxpxpod: ah, oki. backuppc uses ssh+tar. should work :-).
[11:46] <Kamion> tseng: bonus points if you can tell me that we can sync to exactly the Debian version
[11:46] <tseng> Kamion: yes.
[11:46] <Kamion> tseng: (and, if so, mail elmo, etc.)
[11:46] <mdke> mxpxpod, also if you wanna good backup, try mondo rescue
[11:46] <mxpxpod> mdke: mondo rescue?
[11:46] <mdke> dot org
[11:47] <Mithrandir> Kamion: would you mind if we synced in the new pkg-config upstream version?  It fixes one cosmetic bug, one which doesn't affect us and one which can potentially cause evil build failures (freedesktop #3682).  The fix for the last bug is a one-line change.
[11:47] <tseng> Kamion: we can sync cli-common as is. in mono i am doing one change ( use __thread on all archs ) since jbailey is threatening to remove pthread in breezy+1, and __thread is upstream default
[11:48] <tseng> mailing
[11:48] <mxpxpod> mdke: any ubuntu pkgs?
[11:48] <mdke> yep
[11:49] <mdke> universe
[11:49] <Mez> wewt
[11:49] <Mez> now I can like...
[11:49] <Mez> do stuff with audacity
[11:49] <mxpxpod> mdke: what's the package name? I only see mondo-doc
[11:49] <Kamion> Mithrandir: looks fine
[11:49] <mdke> mxpxpod, mondo
[11:49] <Kamion> Mithrandir: (and a good idea)
[11:49] <Mithrandir> Kamion: great, I'll mail elmo then.
[11:50] <ogra> mxpxpod, mondo is x86 only
[11:50] <mxpxpod> oh, that's nice
[11:52] <carstenh> jbailey: ping


[01:26] <holstein> OvenWerks: i have both.. upright and electric fretless.. as well as a fretted electric
[01:29] <holstein> i use flatwound strings on most everything.. but, it really just depends on what you are going for
[03:09] <OvenWerks> holstein: I had heard that round wound damages fretless fingerboards
[03:09] <holstein> nah
[03:09] <holstein> i mean, maybe.. but, strings in general do
[03:10] <OvenWerks> AH, just noisy then
[03:10] <holstein> metal on wood eventually grooves it up
[03:10] <holstein> no way around it really, though, you could try the tape wound ones
[03:10] <holstein> i have black tape-wound ones that are kind of nice
[03:10] <holstein> but, you might want something brighter
[03:10] <OvenWerks> How do they sound?
[03:10] <holstein> OvenWerks: i like them
[03:10] <holstein> dark
[03:11] <holstein> not a lot of sustain, though..
[03:11] <OvenWerks> I'll have to experiment.
[03:11] <holstein> yeah.. really just depends
[03:11] <holstein> but, i wouldnt be scared to try flats
[03:12] <holstein> i think round wounds are probably more versatile
[03:12] <holstein> i feel i could roll the town down and fake flats a bit on round wounds.. but, not the other way around
[03:12] <OvenWerks> I can imagine. I pulled my fretless apart to try to get a better connection of ground to the bridge, when I put it back together my open E is very quiet.
[03:12] <holstein> roll the tone down*
[03:12] <holstein> hmm.. could be a simple damaged string
[03:13] <holstein> could be something in the nut
[03:13] <OvenWerks> I have been using half rounds, feel like flat wounds but brighter.
[03:13] <holstein> if its literallly just the open E
[03:13] <OvenWerks> I think my bridge is now a little ower and the string is "buzzing"
[03:13] <OvenWerks> *lower
[03:14] <holstein> you can stick something under there and test
[03:14] <OvenWerks> The rest of the string is fine.
[03:14] <holstein> if its at the bridge, you'll usually have it on more notes
[03:14] <holstein> if its just open, its usually at the nut
[03:14] <OvenWerks> That makes sense
[03:16] <OvenWerks>  I don't use the low F much, I will be taking it apart again anyway... I want to sheild the pu hole and the control hole
[03:16] <holstein> its a good idea to get all that clean as possible
[03:16] <OvenWerks> I will wait till I put it together again to play with the nut.
[03:17] <OvenWerks> But I will if I have to. I do use the open E in lots of things
[03:19] <OvenWerks> It is funny, that playing with a leader that plays guitar we don't play much in F... if it was a keyboard player, it would be different.
[03:19] <holstein> yeah. you want it to be even as possible
[03:20] <holstein> yeah.. i work with folks that just play where ever
[03:20] <OvenWerks> Different style.
[03:21] <OvenWerks> When I took the frets out, the nut was too high, I lowered it very slowely, trying for about a frets thickness down. Made a huge difference
[03:22] <holstein> i bet.. couple 16th's of an inch maybe
[03:22] <OvenWerks> I may have had it low enough that it was ok till I changed strings
[03:24] <OvenWerks> But right now I am playing in a place that has floresent lamps and it buzzes. I want to try shielding all the wiring and see if that makes it better at least
[03:25] <holstein> cant hurt
[03:25] <OvenWerks> rolling the tone off hides the buzz, but also hides the top half of my G string
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[08:12] <Guest13809> ??
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[08:15] <Guest13809> me ayudan?
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[08:17] <ERROR_404_> Armando Esteban Quito
[08:17] <Manuelubuntu> frikis hijos de put
[08:18] <Guest68279> #quit
[08:19] <Guest68279> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
[08:19] <Yeel96> necesito ayuda urgente
[08:19] <Yeel96> TT-TTç
[08:20] <guest420> hello
[08:20] <Yeel96> bye
[08:20] <guest420> quien quiere ajuda?
[08:20] <Yeel96> nadie
[08:20] <guest420> mejor para mi
[08:21] <Yeel96> esta desertico
[08:21] <Yeel96> hola?
[08:23] <guest420> que pasa ubuntu
[08:23] <guest420> nesesito ajuda para ssh
[08:24] <Guest41710> no ayuda para novatos
[08:25] <guest420> klk hermanos
[08:25] <guest420> algun bitch por aqui
[08:31] <zequence> !es
[08:42] <clado> I want to force one of my 3 installed soundcards as device 0. How can I do it in ubuntustudio 14.04.1
[08:42] <clado> ?
[09:18] <zequence> clado: Don't. I assume this is for starting jack with the right device?
[09:18] <zequence> Use the name, instead of the number, after hw:
[09:19] <zequence> For example..
[09:19] <zequence> cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:19] <zequence>  0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[09:19] <zequence>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xf1600000 irq 43
[09:19] <zequence> Instead of hw:0, do hw:PCH (in my case)
[09:24] <clado> I will try that zequence thank you for helping
[09:25] <clado> I want to load patches for an sblive soundcard with ld10k1 command but I get an error that I do not have such card
[09:26] <clado> wich is not true
[09:27] <zequence> clado: Don't forget "hw:"
[09:27] <zequence> What do mean by patch?
[09:28] <clado> That soundcard allows you to load a soundfont for the sythesizer included in the card
[09:30] <clado> I have to reboot the computer to see if the solution worked. Thank you
[09:36] <alan_> Corsica13
[12:54] <clado> how should I edit my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf so my emu10k1 stays as sound device 0? Here are the contents of my alsa-base.conf http://codebin.org/view/44920d6b
[16:24] <Qormix> hi


[05:00] <tentaclemoose> anyone tried xfce on the nexus 7
[06:08] <ivemadeagravemis> hello people - merry christmas.... so i think i'm an idiot...
[06:09] <ivemadeagravemis> i loaded 13.04 on my nexus  7 and i ran out of space and was like that doesn't seem right...
[06:09] <ivemadeagravemis> so i saw in gparted that i had tons of unformated room
[06:09] <ivemadeagravemis> ...so i went to format it and now the little dude won't turn on....
[06:10] <ivemadeagravemis> any ideas? i tried googling and didn't really see anything... btw i tried to boot into recovery with no avail.
[07:57] <lilstevie> ivemadeagravemis: sorry to say, but that is it, you killed it. by trying to set it up like a normal flash device you broke the google/asus bootloader
[07:57] <lilstevie>  /dev/mmcblk0 starts somewhere in the middle of the bootloader
[08:11] <kalenedrael> quick question: I have ubuntu installed on a trimslice. is it normal to have root logged in on ttyS0 at boot?
[08:18] <kalenedrael> never mind, apparently it is. why do I find this minutes after asking but not for hours before
[13:00] <ivemadeagravemis> lilstevie: thanks for your reply... i feared as much.  is there anyway to push the recovery back? like i looked into adb but the device seriously won't turn on... no screen lighting up or anything... just sits there and mocks me...
[13:21] <lilstevie> ivemadeagravemis: no, it isn't anything to do with no recovery (that would be a much better situation) you have effectively broken the tablets equivalent of a bios
[13:27] <ivemadeagravemis> way to go me! uhg
[13:27] <ivemadeagravemis> i'll just have my big breasted wife exchange it for me... they don't seem to question her as much as they question me...
[13:27] <ivemadeagravemis> thanks again lilstevie !
[14:39] <bdrung> hi, i'll try to get the network adapter working on a beagleboard + zippy and probably need some help
[14:40] <bdrung> i successfully installed precise server on the beagleboard, but the network card was not detected (lan cable is attached and the yellow led is on)
[14:41] <bdrung> the boot message: http://paste.debian.net/219279/
[22:18] <koik> http://www.carolinaherrera.com/212/es/areyouonthelist?share=NVq56AQ2vxgECOtvW_3-cC_MeqWSEVkU2vlXs7SL5zHkz4rz3EUUdzs6j6FXsjB4447F-isvxjqkXd4Qey2GHw#teaser


[11:03] <tkamppeter> mpt, hi
[13:03] <tkamppeter> mpt, hi
[15:27] <tkamppeter> mpt, hi
[15:42] <mpt> tkamppeter, if a print job is partly done on one printer, then it has an error, is it possible to complete the job on another printer?
[15:43] <tkamppeter> mpt, one cannot continue it, but only reprint it from the beginning.
[15:44] <mpt> ok
[15:44] <tkamppeter> mpt, if a job errors, it stays in the queue, and if one moves it into another queue then, it gets reprinted from the beginning.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> mpt, we should talk about the print dialog, also with willcooke (and perhaps also with John Lea).


[06:40] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[06:41] <pavlushka> yes, morning peoples
[06:41] <pavlushka> morning thatgraemeguy :)
[06:41] <pavlushka> ahoy
[08:38] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy inetpro paddatrapper pavlushka superfly tumbleweed and everyone else
[08:40] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos
[08:45] <superfly> hi Kilos, paddatrapper
[08:45] <paddatrapper> hey superfly
[08:52] <superfly> whoever thought that selling your PC could be so emotional
[09:28] <andrewlsd> Hi all
[09:29] <andrewlsd> :-(
[09:39] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[09:39] <Kilos> why the dropped lips
[09:40] <andrewlsd> superfly's melancholic experience with saying goodbye to his PC.
[09:40] <andrewlsd> (empathizing)
[09:40] <Kilos> yeah we become attached to a good one
[09:41] <Kilos> sorry superfly but there is a better one in the future for you
[09:47] <superfly> andrewlsd: you still interested in the other one?
[09:48] <andrewlsd> not going to be able to take it off your hands :-(
[09:48] <superfly> OK
[09:48] <superfly> I've advertised it on Facebook
[09:53] <Xethron> Greetings!
[09:54] <superfly> hey Xethron!
[09:54] <Xethron> Heya superfly
[09:54] <Xethron> How are you?
[09:57] <Xethron> Long time :)
[10:00] <superfly> Xethron: busy trying to get this house sold and packed up, so I can join the wife and kids in the USA
[10:05] <Xethron> oh wow, deserting the rest of us?
[10:08] <Xethron> :P
[10:12] <andrewlsd> Xethron: we can thank the ineptitude of our Home Affairs dept (and their Visa agents)
[10:12] <superfly> Xethron: Sadly, not really our choice, wife was basically kicked out the country.
[10:12] <andrewlsd> ... for that.
[10:13] <superfly> Xethron: ^^ what andrewlsd said
[10:13] <superfly> oh, andrewlsd, I have some more network cables for you. a 20m (I think) and a couple shorter (5-ish) ones
[10:13] <andrewlsd> definitely our (za) loss and US's gain.
[10:13] <andrewlsd> cool.
[10:13] <andrewlsd> 20m will be handy for getting network to the other end of the house
[10:15] <Xethron> Oh wow, thats terrible!
[11:05] <Kilos> night all. have a good day.
[11:05] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[11:53]  * andrewlsd is looking on bidorbuy for cheap laptop
[12:27] <inetpro> good mornings
[12:40] <Xethron> Anyone here from Pretoria?
[15:51] <pavlushka> Cant remember, who voted for zsh, is it inetpro ? :)
[15:52]  * pavlushka giving back inetpro one good morning from his good mornings as a courtesy
[16:38] <Cryterion> Evening everyone


[06:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:02] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:13] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:13] <ricotz> hello desktoppers
[06:14] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[06:27] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[06:47] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:19] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:19] <duflu> Hi diddledani
[07:19] <duflu> Argh
[07:19] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:20] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:20] <duflu> seb128, not bad. I made an effort to actually stop working (mostly) at 6pm yesterday and it really helped. How are you?
[07:21] <seb128> I'm alright, went to play tennis yesterday, manage to warm up and do a few games when it starting raining hard, the courts went so wet that we couldn't resume ... I will do another try tonight!
[07:22] <didrocks> hey duflu, seb128
[07:23] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[08:17] <lissyx> seb128, do we know when https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12081 will ship?
[08:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 12081 in snapcore/snapd "interfaces: grant access to speech-dispatcher socket (bug 1787245)" [Merged]
[08:17] <lissyx> looking at releases of the project there has been multiple releases since it was merged but it seems none includes it?
[08:17] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, didrocks & lissyx
[08:18] <lissyx> and it's marked as poart of 2.57 milestone https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/milestone/44 but 2.57.4 does not include it?
[08:23] <seb128> lissyx, right, I asked for a cherrypick and they did it, if you snap refresh --edge snapd it's in there
[08:23] <seb128> lissyx, it should be in stable by next week
[08:23] <lissyx> nice
[08:23] <seb128> lissyx, I pinged jamesh with a socket dir question yesterday but he didn't reply
[08:23] <seb128> I was asking about at-spi but it's an issue for speech-dispatcher as well
[08:24] <seb128> with the new snapd the snap can access the socket, but the socket is in the system dir and no the snap private one XDG_RUNTIME_DIR points to
[08:24] <jamesh> seb128: sorry, I missed that. It shouldn't be a problem in the at-spi case because they get the socket path from a D-Bus call.
[08:24] <seb128> jamesh, ah, that explains
[08:24] <seb128> it is for speech-dispatcher
[08:25] <seb128> so I guess we need another hack in desktop-launch?
[08:25] <lissyx> I though tthe XDG_RUNTIME_DIR was good?
[08:25] <lissyx> if it's in edge I can verify later today
[08:25] <jamesh> if you've got d-feet installed, find org.a11y.Bus and execute the org.a11y.Bus.GetAddress() method
[08:26] <jamesh> yeah. We'd need to update desktop-launch to set an environment variable to find the speech-dispatcher socket
[08:26] <seb128> lissyx, I was trying in gnome-calculator and I get
[08:26] <seb128> $ env | grep XDG_RUN
[08:26] <seb128> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000/snap.gnome-calculator
[08:26] <seb128> $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./ ./spd-say -L
[08:26] <seb128> Failed to connect to Speech Dispatcher:
[08:26] <seb128> Error: Can't connect to unix socket /run/user/1000/snap.gnome-calculator/speech-dispatcher/speechd.sock: No such file or directory
[08:26] <seb128> so we probably need to export SPEECHD_ADDRESS=unix_socket:/run/user/1000/speech-dispatcher/speechd.sock
[08:26] <seb128> or something similar
[08:27] <lissyx> seb128, dont we also depend on speechd's socket activation support?
[08:27] <lissyx> it recently landed, I dont think it has made it so ubuntu's yet?
[08:28] <seb128> lissyx, we cherrypicked that in kinetic yes
[08:28] <lissyx> (also I was wondering whether I should keep my test env on 22.04 or move to 22.10)
[08:28] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/speech-dispatcher/0.11.3-1ubuntu1
[08:28] <seb128> I'm testing on kinetic
[08:28] <seb128> once it's working I will handle the SRUing
[08:28] <lissyx> ok
[08:29] <seb128> but you can probably rebuild that speech-dispatcher version on 22.04 if you don't want to upgrade
[08:29] <seb128> but for some reason even with SPEECHD_ADDRESS it was not working for me
[08:39] <seb128> no, in fact it works with
[08:39] <seb128> SPEECHD_ADDRESS=unix_socket:/var/run/user/1000/speech-dispatcher/speechd.sock
[08:39] <seb128> so I guess we need to make desktop-launch set that one
[08:40] <seb128> except I get spd-day to segfault randomly now, but it's the same outside the snap and I don't have the issue with the previous revision
[08:40] <seb128> so I wonder if there is a bug in the socket activation patch :/
[08:40] <seb128> $ spd-say -L
[08:40] <seb128> Invalid language fr-FR!
[08:40] <seb128> Erreur de segmentation (core dumped)
[08:41] <seb128> but it's random, sometime it displays no output and sometime it works
[08:42] <seb128> shrug, and now that I tried outside the snap I got in a state where it doesn't work in the snap anymore
[08:42] <seb128> Error: Can't connect to unix socket /var/run/user/1000/speech-dispatcher/speechd.sock: Connection refused.
[08:42] <seb128> so I think there is bugfixing still needed :/
[08:43] <lissyx> seb128, pretty sure I saw some mention of intermittent bug on CI on this PR
[08:44] <seb128> yes, but they ended up having the same error in CI on master without the change so they acked the merge and decided it was not a regression
[08:44] <seb128> maybe it changes timing in a way that makes it more likely to hit the error though...
[08:46] <oSoMoN> ricotz, FYI, I pushed a patch to the firefox-beta.bionic branch to fix the i386 build failures (https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-beta.bionic/revision/1468), and uploaded a .2 package to the firefox-next PPA
[10:37] <ricotz> oSoMoN, thank you!
[10:48] <KGB-2> geary Iain Lane 340728 * commented merge request !2 * https://deb.li/S72n
[14:19] <diddledani> Hi duflu 🤪
[19:07] <KGB-2> Extension Manager upstream/latest e47cdd5 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 232 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/OdIE
[19:07] <KGB-2> Extension Manager upstream/latest 2fc2208 Matt Jakeman (8 files in 3 dirs) * Merge pull request #278 from mjakeman/uri-handler * https://deb.li/3KTie
[19:07] <KGB-2> Extension Manager upstream/latest fbb564b Matthew Jakeman com.mattjakeman.ExtensionManager.Devel.json * flatpak: Use GNOME 43 SDK * https://deb.li/vGAI
[19:08] <KGB-2> Extension Manager upstream/latest 36ba3fa 小山田 純 - Oyamada Jun (72 files in 11 dirs) * Merge branch 'mjakeman:master' into master * https://deb.li/3okhA
[19:08] <KGB-2> Extension Manager upstream/latest 6463b6e oscfdezdz po/es.po * Update Spanish translation * https://deb.li/SkeR
[19:08] <KGB-2> Extension Manager upstream/latest a62a4c4 Mattia B po/it.po * Update Italian translation * https://deb.li/3bd2v
[19:08] <KGB-2> Extension Manager pristine-tar d70d15b Jeremy Bicha gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.3.2.orig.tar.gz.delta gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.3.2.orig.tar.gz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.3.2.orig.tar.gz * https://deb.li/3gK0z
[19:08] <KGB-2> Extension Manager pristine-tar 8b107a9 Jeremy Bicha gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.4.0.orig.tar.gz.delta gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.4.0.orig.tar.gz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.4.0.orig.tar.gz * https://deb.li/ixGCs
[19:47] <KGB-2> ghex signed tags 42be87d Jeremy Bicha upstream/43.0 * Upstream version 43.0 * https://deb.li/3udkh
[19:47] <KGB-0> ghex pristine-tar da33db7 Jeremy Bicha ghex_43.0.orig.tar.xz.delta ghex_43.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for ghex_43.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/1kqV


[21:54] <mandem0110> https://i.postimg.cc/4xLFCGxs/Screenshot-from-2024-03-23-21-53-27.png noble is quick. I like it, can't wait for the official release!


[08:09] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:25] <andrejz> morning
[08:25] <andrejz> I was wondering why langpack ppas are not built anymore
[08:25] <andrejz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa
[08:26] <andrejz> it seems for most packages the last version is 20101204
[08:32] <dpm> hi andrejz, let me have a look
[08:35] <dpm> andrejz, ah, I talked about this with pitti last week. Apparently the maverick langpack builds were stopped when we did the uploads to maverick-proposed for testing (which is the normal situation), but they were never enabled back. He told me he'd enable them, so the next maverick langpack should be ready next week, according to the schedule:
[08:36] <dpm> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule
[08:36] <andrejz> ok, great
[09:45] <andrejz> dpm, i have another thing - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+imports
[09:46] <andrejz> app-install-data still hasn't been imported after 4 days, while some other packages i uploaded at the same time were imported in less than a day
[09:47] <andrejz> it's just that it's the most visible package on the first ubuntu page
[09:47] <andrejz> so i don't want someone would translate it again while it's being imported
[09:51] <dpm> andrejz, yeah, there are some problems with the imports queue, which is making it slow, but they are being worked on. I think it's mostly about bug 704275
[09:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 704275 in launchpad "Missing permission when approving POFile upload (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704275
[09:53] <arjunaraoc> hi dpm, working on telugu boot support for ubuntu. Did not see the debian-installer translation update from debian. It is part of Squeeze RC1, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/debian-installer
[10:03] <arjunaraoc> dpm, can you help?


[12:00] <jcristau> anybody here familiar with xf86-input-multitouch?
[12:01] <jcristau> (trying to understand if i should really push back on bugs.debian.org/603534)
[12:25] <tseliot> cnd: ^^
[12:49] <tseliot> Sarvatt: do you know how to disable nouveau in mesa (so that it doesn't build)?
[12:49] <tseliot> shall I just disable gallium (I'm working on the source from -edgers)?
[12:50] <jcristau> --disable-gallium-nouveau
[12:53] <tseliot> ah, nice, thanks
[13:44] <Sarvatt> starting from edgers might be a headache because I build the kitchen sink including stuff that wont be in the distro anytime soon like vmware, might want to put debian/ from the ubuntu package in the git checkout and add --enable-vg to the confflags
[13:45] <Sarvatt> that should be the only change needed in 7.10 so far
[13:45] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/mesa-packaging/commit/?id=9553f72c1200b42ad6387c5d9170e58806e3ff93
[13:45] <Sarvatt> oh need that too
[13:56] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ah, ok. The only driver that I need is r600c BTW
[13:57] <tseliot> Sarvatt: actually evergreen
[13:58] <Sarvatt> \o/
[14:18] <cnd> jcristau, rydberg maintains xf86-input-multitouch
[14:18] <cnd> you can find him in #ubuntu-touch
[14:48] <Sarvatt> wow, how did I miss THIS http://www.opengl.org/sdk/tools/BuGLe/
[14:50] <tseliot> sweet (if it works as advertised)
[14:57] <virtuald> is there an intel version of x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature?
[14:57] <Sarvatt> argh, went to start packaging it then I see the ChangeLog * Replace automake with scons
[14:57] <Sarvatt> virtuald: I wish!
[14:57] <virtuald> 8]
[15:00] <virtuald> i found this http://www.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver last changed in march
[15:13] <Sarvatt> dang, BuGLe works for egl, gles1 and gles2 too
[15:15] <ScottK> RAOF: I thougth you might find http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/11/multihead-plasma-desktop-needs-you.html interesting.
[15:15] <ScottK> afiestas: ^^^
[18:24] <tseliot> Sarvatt: does the radeon DDX driver work with Lucid's xserver?
[18:25] <Sarvatt> yep
[18:25] <tseliot> Sarvatt: the DDX from -edgers, that is
[18:25] <Sarvatt> it needs a minor change to build against lucid's xserver
[18:25] <Sarvatt> thats in x-updates I believe
[18:26]  * tseliot has a look at x-updates
[18:26] <Sarvatt> oh bryce updated it without the changes
[18:26] <Sarvatt> reverting the xsfbs stuff from this diff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58593127/xserver-xorg-video-ati_1:6.13.1-1ubuntu1~xup3~lucid_1:6.13.1-1ubuntu5~xup1~lucid.diff.gz
[18:31] <tseliot> Sarvatt: thanks
[18:31] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/ati-lucid.patch something like that
[18:32] <Sarvatt> err im sure that doesnt apply directly but those are the changes
[18:39] <tseliot> right
[19:38] <Sarvatt> hmm, interesting stuff here https://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/1105/PublicPlanReview?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=graphics-wg-plans-11.05.odp
[19:39] <Sarvatt> curious about "Provide upstream path for Mali Xorg driver stack as an example for other vendors."
[19:41] <Sarvatt> and an OpenGL proxy library?
[22:36] <Sarvatt> bryceh: what was your bug upstreaming page again?
[22:36] <Sarvatt> finally found one that needs to go - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/676183
[22:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 676183 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Basic shaders produce incorrect output (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:38] <bryceh> Sarvatt, oh sorry it's down for maintenance at the moment
[22:39] <Sarvatt> no worries, easy enough to do it by hand just wanted to try it out
[22:39] <bryceh> yeah I think once I'm done with wayland and launchpad I'll focus on that project again
[22:40] <Sarvatt> it took what, 6 months for me to find a bug i'm positive needs to be upstreamed? :)
[22:53] <bryceh> heh
[22:54] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hey btw did you get to doing natty versions of the wayland packages?


[11:46]  * ojwb glares at launchpad for timing out and apparently just throwing away his bug report
[20:33] <ajmitch> morning
[21:03] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:26] <Atamira> mornin
[21:31] <ojwb> morning
[22:27] <ibeardslee> ohhh my nook color arrived today
[22:29] <thumper> nice
[22:37] <ibeardslee> and Angry Birds is installed
[22:40] <thumper> :)
[22:40] <thumper> ibeardslee: it is android based?
[22:40] <thumper> not e-ink though?
[22:42] <hads> thumper: They are based on Android but a custom interface. You can load a custom ROM such as Cyanogenmod onto them to get full Android
[22:42]  * thumper nods
[22:44] <ibeardslee> the nook and the nook colour are a bit different like that
[22:45] <ibeardslee> the colour has about 8 hours battery and the nook has about 10 days
[22:45] <ibeardslee> I'm assuming the colour screen is what kills it a bit
[22:45] <hads> Yeah
[22:45] <ibeardslee> as well as the other apps etc that can be instaled
[22:46] <hads> ibeardslee: Are you running CM7?
[22:46] <ibeardslee> CM7?
[22:47] <ibeardslee> no .. still original
[22:47] <hads> Ah okay
[22:47] <hads> Cyanogenmod 7
[22:47] <ibeardslee> google was my friend ;)
[22:47] <hads> http://www.cyanogenmod.com/devices/nook-color
[22:48] <hads> Basically Android 2.3
[22:49] <hads> Starting to get chilly this morning
[22:52] <ibeardslee> hads: are you running CM7?
[23:00] <hads> Yeah
[23:01] <ibeardslee> does it lose any or much functionality of the original nook color?
[23:16] <snail> my ubuntu machine appears to have a fried video card: as the boot progresses more and more apparently random (but the same every time) effects appear on the screen before the screen locks up.
[23:16] <snail> is my best option to by a cheap video card from a random vendor and trying swapping it in?
[23:16] <hads> ibeardslee: You lose all the book reading type stuff. To be honest I didn't have a good look through the features it provided out of the box.
[23:17] <ajmitch> worth a try, what video driver are you using?
[23:17] <hads> ibeardslee: You can restore the stock firmware though whenever.
[23:17] <snail> ajmitch: no idea, but the effects start before the kernel is loaded
[23:17] <snail> ajmitch: i had assumed that meant that my video driver wasn't to blame
[23:18] <ajmitch> snail: it'd just make it more likely to get to a desktop if you got a card which used the same driver, otherwise it may just fallback to safe graphics mode with a VESA driver
[23:18] <ajmitch> you should be able to pick up a new or 2nd hand video card pretty cheaply though
[23:18] <snail> oh, ok
[23:44] <ibeardslee> and Angry Birds fails because I'm not physically in the US or Canada
[23:44] <ibeardslee> looks like there maybe little reason to actually keep it as a Nook
[23:55] <snail> ibeardslee: governments have traditionally been protective of book industries, since they're linked to education and our ideas of wisdom; thus we trade protectionism is rampant globally in the book trade; thus annoying geographical restrictions (which are technically jurisdictional not geographical restrictions, but the only place you notice the difference is in places like foreign military bases).
[23:59] <ojwb> angry birds is wisdom!


[07:01] <stepjohn> i forgot to let everyone know free puppet training from puppetlabs in wales
[07:01] <stepjohn> http://softwarealliancewales.com/?page=2013_06_18_puppet_bangor&lg=eng


[05:06] -queuebot:#edubuntu- New source: edubuntu-menu (lunar-proposed/primary) [23.04.1]
[22:34] -queuebot:#edubuntu- New: accepted edubuntu-installer [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [0.1]