[16:00]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <stokachu> o/
[16:01] <jodh> o/
[16:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[16:02]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:02] <stokachu> stgraber: thanks for the blog post on unpriveleged containers
[16:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[16:03] <slangasek> bdmurray xnox cjwatson slangasek barry jodh doko stokachu stgraber
[16:03] <bdmurray> submitted mp for P ubiquity bug 1051935
[16:03] <bdmurray> uploaded a fix to S and T for whoopsie bug 1245524
[16:03] <bdmurray> worked with dames to setup the error tracker in canonistack
[16:03] <bdmurray> running apport integration tests against canonistack
[16:04] <bdmurray> recreated the "Could not retrace" error seen in production
[16:04] <bdmurray> reported apport bug 1271258 regarding Contents.gz
[16:04] <bdmurray> pushed branch fixing apport bug 1271258
[16:04] <bdmurray> updated daisy's retracer sources.list files with more deb-src lines
[16:04] <bdmurray> submitted RT #67174 regarding updating apport on the retracers
[16:04] <bdmurray> updated apport-test-crashes bzr branch so the trusty crashes would be newer
[16:04] <bdmurray> ␗ done
[16:05] <xnox> * autopilot-emulator runners working on porting to stable
[16:05] <xnox>   ubuntu-emulator (emulator manager written in go)
[16:05] <xnox> * fixed cmake cross-compilation regression, clicks/debs things should
[16:05] <xnox>   cross-compile in trusty again
[16:05] <xnox> * uploaded fixec abi-compliance-checker, to drop gcc-4.8 version
[16:05] <xnox>   checks as that issue is fixed in debian/ubuntu
[16:05] <xnox> * uploaded ubiquity fixing a1/a2 (mostly gtk-3.10) related issues
[16:05] <xnox> * uploaded SRU ubiquity with all the fixes for 12.04.4, please
[16:05] <xnox>   review/approve
[16:05] <xnox> * uploaded SRU partman-crypto with stronger crypto defaults, please
[16:05] <xnox>   review/approve
[16:05] <xnox> * reviwing dmraid patches to drop dm-raid45, should resume installer
[16:05] <xnox>   fixes to land mdadm-based fakeraid installation and unblock landing
[16:05] <xnox>   dmraid->mdadm migration
[16:05] <xnox> * added a couple of autopilot (emulator + ubiquity) &
[16:05] <xnox>   cross-compilation topics for the sprint
[16:05] <xnox> * worked with doko a little to untangle ffmpeg/libav8 nbs
[16:05] <xnox> ..
[16:05] <cjwatson> GRUB:
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Applied bi-endian ELF parser patch.
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Tidied up a few packaging bugs introduced when merging 2.02~beta2.
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Organised some real-world testing of 2.02~beta2 (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2014-01-18-testing-wanted-grub-2.02-beta2.html); fixed a few bugs that resulted.  There's still the odd problem, but I think it should be good to go into trusty tomorrow or Monday.
[16:05] <cjwatson> Click:
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Added ${short-id} hook pattern expansion (bug 1251635).
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Stripped trailing slashes from hook patterns (bug 1253855).
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Added support for apps requiring multiple frameworks.
[16:06] <cjwatson> 12.04.4:
[16:06] <cjwatson>  - More chasing of various SRUs.
[16:06] <cjwatson>  - Uploaded d-i for other series so that I can fully QA a kickseed SRU.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Miscellaneous:
[16:06] <cjwatson>  - Some work on the libwebp transition.
[16:06] <cjwatson>  - Merged partman-auto.
[16:06] <cjwatson>  - Minimal proof of concept of autopilot/emulator tests driven by autopkgtest, based on xnox's work.
[16:06] <cjwatson>  - Organised a launchpad-buildd upgrade (now with IS), including the slave side of livefs-in-LP.
[16:06] <cjwatson> ..
[16:06] <cjwatson> xnox: I'll review partman-crypto today; somebody else should review ubiquity since I have a change in there
[16:06] <xnox> cjwatson: thanks.
[16:07] <cjwatson> though I don't see ubiquity in the precise-proposed queue
[16:07] <xnox> hm. checking.
[16:07] <stgraber> cjwatson: I can take ubiquity once it's in the queue
[16:07] <cjwatson> ta
[16:07] <slangasek>  * short week, bank holiday on Monday
[16:07] <slangasek>  * working with the emulator locally to test pam 1.1.8 before upload
[16:07] <slangasek>   * going down a rabbit hole wrt autopilot tests and upstart jobs on the phone
[16:07] <slangasek>  * looking at what's required for Java support in 14.04
[16:08] <slangasek>  * ongoing discussions in Debian about init systems for jessie
[16:08] <slangasek>  * prepared slides/video summary of Foundations client-side roadmap in 14.04, which will be posted publically for the community on youtube soonish (tomorrow?)
[16:08] <slangasek>  * taking tomorrow off - see you in London :)
[16:08] <slangasek> (done)
[16:08] <jodh> * core-1311-upstart-roadmap:
[16:08] <jodh>   - cgroup support: Updated code for cgmanager 0.16.
[16:08] <jodh>   - async spawning: Ongoing work to resolve script job bug.
[16:08] <jodh> * upstart:
[16:08] <jodh>   - bug 1269731: Fixed and wrote new tests. Landed upstream and uploaded as
[16:08] <jodh>       upstart 1.11-0ubuntu2.
[16:08] <jodh>   - DEP-8 tests: Attempted a nested kvm setup using canonistack as bug
[16:08] <jodh>     1208509 may now be fixed in trusty we believe. However, since the
[16:08] <jodh>     latest images are a week old, they suffer from bug 1269731 (meaning
[16:08] <jodh>     the guest dies when the packages are automatically updated before
[16:08] <jodh>     the tests are run. I'll wait until there is a new image containing
[16:08] <jodh>     upstart 1.11-0ubuntu2 then try again.
[16:08] <jodh>   - Wrote a periodic-logrotate job that could be useful until Upstart
[16:08] <jodh>     grows a time bridge (since currently we only run logrotate once) and
[16:08] <jodh>     raised an MP for discussion:
[16:08] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/trusty/upstart/periodic-logrotate/+merge/202434
[16:08] <jodh>   - Fixed Upstart element of bug 1263738 such that Upstart will not own
[16:08] <slangasek> xnox: when did you fix the cmake cross-compilation regression?  Does that fix the problem ChickenCutlass was seeing yesterday with powerd?
[16:08] <jodh>     the console, even in an lxc container (where /dev/kmsg is linked to /dev/console).
[16:09] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/kmsg-noctty/+merge/202673
[16:09] <jodh>     (Thanks to stgraber for reviewing and additional testing!)
[16:09] <jodh> ☋
[16:09] <stokachu> kermit?
[16:09] <xnox> slangasek: i fixed it couple of hours ago. Let me test powerd quickly.
[16:09] <slangasek> xnox: oh, I used abi-compliance-checker on qt5 this past week (hmm, shoulda put that in the status report) - nice little tool, though for Qt5.0->Qt5.2 the reports are oppressively verbose :)
[16:10] <doko> - working today together with the Berlin locals in an office
[16:10] <doko> - Mon, Tue another two days of merges, nbs, component mismatches, MIR's
[16:10] <doko> - look at (and fix) libffi / python-cffi issues on armhf, arm64 (with Will Newton)
[16:10] <doko> - GCC 4.9 updates, GCC 4.8 updates
[16:10] <doko> - gccgo merges and backports
[16:10] <doko> - main test rebuild evaluation
[16:10] <doko> - ppc64el fixes
[16:10] <doko> - build the mono stack for ppc64el
[16:10] <doko> (done)
[16:10] <xnox> slangasek: i think, all we want is to construct a chroot / phone-image with 5.2 stack, take system dump of that chroot, and then simply run abi-compliance-checker against binary / library and ask it to say if it's compatible with this new system-dump or not.
[16:11] <stokachu> bug 833994 is coming up again, seems the users just want https and do not care about verification
[16:11] <stokachu> (done)
[16:11] <xnox> slangasek: i think that's easier, rather than tracking all internal exposed details of qt 5.0 -> 5.2 changes.
[16:11] <stgraber>  - cgmanager:
[16:11] <stgraber>    - Did a few pre-upload package reviews
[16:11] <stgraber>    - NEWed the package into the archive
[16:11] <stgraber>  - LXC:
[16:11] <stgraber>    - Fixed PAM harder to make it work with unprivileged containers.
[16:11] <stgraber>    - Wrote about unprivileged LXC: https://www.stgraber.org/2014/01/17/lxc-1-0-unprivileged-containers/
[16:11] <stgraber>    - Worked pretty hard to get unprivileged LXC to be as close to privileged LXC feature-wise (got lxc-attach working, fixed a ton of small bugs here and there).
[16:12] <stgraber>    - A ton of code reviews (got all outstanding pull requests handled, same with all patches sent to various lists), started to go through outstanding bugs.
[16:12] <stgraber>  - Ubuntu touch
[16:12] <slangasek> jodh: which image are you using in canonistack that's a week old?  Surely we should have fresh images available daily?
[16:12] <stgraber>    - Some more work on the system-image branch for ports/private servers (found a couple of nasty bugs, fixed and now working on tests).
[16:12] <stgraber>  - Other
[16:12] <stgraber>    - SRU/New reviews
[16:12] <stgraber>    - Released pastebinit 1.4 and 1.4.1
[16:12] <stgraber>    - A few merges
[16:12] <stgraber>  - TODO this week
[16:12] <stgraber>    - Some more LXC work, with the plan of releasing a beta3 before the sprint
[16:12] <stgraber>    - Test and setup PPA builds of LXC with cgmanager now that it's in the archive
[16:12] <stgraber>    - Try and get that system-image branch merged (will try to write the remaining tests on the plane)
[16:12] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:12] <xnox> jodh: daily channell or released channel openstack/juju images?
[16:13] <jodh> slangasek/xnox: dunno - I'm calling euca-describe-images
[16:13] <slangasek> xnox: yeah, for 5.2 purposes I was trying to answer the specific question of whether the qreal size change had a practical impact on our existing app store; so I did a bit of post-processing of the a-c-c dump :)
[16:13] <xnox> slangasek: hehe. right. Hm, you have access to all appstore for analysis? can i have such access as well?
[16:14] <xnox> slangasek: or are you iterating via sso-authenticated api?
[16:14] <jodh> slangasek/xnox: newest official(?) image looks like ubuntu-daily/ubuntu-trusty-daily-amd64-server-20140116.1-disk1.img
[16:14] <slangasek> stgraber: "fixed PAM harder"> did you need me to upload the latest changes to trusty?  feel free to do so now that it's upstream
[16:15] <slangasek> stgraber: (I'd appreciate you committing your changes to the bzr branch too, of course)
[16:15] <xnox> jodh: i wonder if it's alpha2 related, i did ask for cloud image respin due to kernel bugs. Let me ping cloudy people about it.
[16:15] <jodh> xnox: cool - ta.
[16:15] <slangasek> stgraber: upstream made a few tweaks on top of your commit, so I hadn't had a chance to look at which bits we needed, smash it into a single patch, etc.
[16:15] <xnox> jodh: there is utlemming/testing/ubuntu-trusty-amd64-20140123-1390436026
[16:15] <xnox> jodh: which should have kernel fixes in.
[16:16] <jodh> xnox: yeah, saw that but don't know how vanilla it is
[16:16] <xnox> jodh: it's as prestine as ubuntu-daily
[16:16] <slangasek> xnox: I have "popey got me a dump of all the packages and posted them where I could download them" access
[16:16] <stgraber> slangasek: well, ideally we'd want to have this in Debian too since lxc-download now builds daily Debian images too, but yeah, I can apply my change straight to Ubuntu for now until you get around to cleaning things up and uploading to Debian
[16:16] <slangasek> xnox: so yeah, sso-authenticated api... one step removed
[16:16] <xnox> slangasek: popey-proxy =)
[16:16] <xnox> =))))
[16:17] <slangasek> stgraber: if you apply it to Ubuntu, I'll just pick it back into Debian :)
[16:17]  * popey wakes
[16:17] <slangasek> ok - anything else on status?
[16:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: stokachu mentioned bug #833994.  Should we maybe turn this into a blueprint for what the acceptable technical approach would be, so that it doesn't keep getting rehashed?
[16:19] <cjwatson> oh, infinity and I got grub2 working on ppc64el this morning, ish
[16:19] <slangasek> \o/
[16:19] <cjwatson> slangasek: yeah, I guess.  I don't think I have time this week though ...
[16:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: ack
[16:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:21] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:21] <slangasek> I guess we'll have plenty of time to talk about everything at the sprint next week, so maybe not
[16:22] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 16:22:51 2014 UTC.
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[16:22] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-23-16.02.html
[16:22] <slangasek> ok then :)
[16:22] <slangasek> see you in London!
[16:23] <jodh> thanks - cu!
[16:23] <stgraber> thanks! see you there
[16:42] <xnox> slangasek: apart from https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/powerd/ftxbfs/+merge/202891 it all cross-builds for powerd
[16:43] <slangasek> xnox: ok, so you took care of the bit where cmake was calling /usr/bin/cc, thanks :)
[16:43] <slangasek> xnox: and yeah, I already flagged the python:any thing to Chicken.  Can you let him know that cmake is fixed?


[22:26] <laputa> ikonia: oh. good point. so if i want to run a always-on service. i should use exec. otherwise it will block the upstart ?
[22:26] <ikonia> as interfaces are arguments
[22:26] <sparticle_> Indeed
[22:26] <ikonia> laputa: thats a good way to look at it
[22:27] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | Finetundra
[22:27] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: ^ maybe ??
[22:27] <stefano> hi all
[22:27] <AR45> I have no idea why I still see tearing even after enabling nvidia 331 drivers
[22:28] <AR45> should I be using the nvidia-331-updates variant of the driver rather?
[22:30] <rangeles2276> Jordan_U yup same result as last time all I get is a blinking cursor
[22:30] <rangeles2276> Jordan_U no OS boot at all
[22:31] <rangeles2276> Jordan_U I gave the /boot partion 2048 of space
[22:31] <rangeles2276> that is about 2gb
  Any other ideas?
[22:33] <emacer> I have an NFS server on my LAN that I would like to be able to access from private LANs that are being created for testing purposes.  Anyone have any idea what the best way to bridge NFS traffic from the private LANs to the regular LAN would be?  I can't seem to export an NFS mount, and forwarding via iptables is tricky to get working
[22:33] <B0bsF1sh> Anyone have advice for troubleshooting a problem with Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS that happens once or twice per week? Symptoms: totally black screen, unable to access services over the network, unable to change to text console using control+alt+f1. Running under VirtualBox 4.2.0 r80737 Windows host with 2 GB RAM, 4 virtual CPUs headless, accessing console via VirtualBox RDP.
[22:33] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, won't let me boot to grub's menu
[22:33] <ikonia> sparticle_: please pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" as I requested earlier
[22:34] <ikonia> sparticle_: if you run "sudo udevadm trigger" that should tell udev to re-populate it
[22:34] <ikonia> sparticle_: if you have an existing file you may need to do "sudo udevadm trigger --action=change "
[22:35] <ikonia> sparticle_: if it's missing a device you'll need "sudo udevadm trigger --action=add"
[22:35] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: What happens when you try to boot?
[22:35] <OerHeks> B0bsF1sh, 4.3 is out? https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[22:35] <B0bsF1sh> OerHeks: you would lean towards it being a VBox problem and not Ubuntu?
[22:36] <Finetundra> Jordan_U,says grub loading then cannot display
[22:36] <rathitlike> Using XRANDR --output HDMI-0 --SET OVERSCAN ON. Causes some weird screen corruption. Seems like scaling is crushing the screen
[22:36] <Jordan_U> If rangeles2276 comes back while I'm not here, please ask them if they installed grub's boot sector to the MBR, like "/dev/sda" or to a partition boot record, like "/dev/sda1". They should have installed to an MBR, *not* to a partition.
[22:36] <OerHeks> B0bsF1sh, i am not sure about windows platform, but worth a try.
 sudo udevadm trigger --action=add did the trick. I had a stub file with no content this command sorted it. Thank you.
[22:37] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: Is the "cannot display" an error message from your monitor?
[22:37] <pinky> hi
[22:37] <laputa> ikonia: hi, you know what could be reason that, i put exec /usr/bin/java ...   in upstart script, it doesnt work. but if i wrap the java program in a .sh file. then exec /path/start.sh , it works.
[22:37] <B0bsF1sh> is there a general list of things to do when troubleshooting a total lockup like that? if I can't even get a text console is there no recourse other than reboot?
[22:37] <laputa> ikonia: i'm trying to run solr as a service.
[22:37] <Jordan_U> laputa: What is the exact contents of the start.sh script?
[22:37] <ikonia> laputa: java requires a shell - upstart is not a shell, calling it from a shell script, I'm guessing is giving it an active shell to be called in
  can you ssh into the box
[22:38] <Jordan_U> ikonia: What do you mean by "java requires a shell"?
[22:38] <B0bsF1sh> I don't have SSH setup, but other network services aren't available. Do you have a guide for setting up SSH?
[22:39] <sparticle_> sudo apt-get install ssh
[22:39] <ikonia> Jordan_U: an active shell with enviornments such as classpath, path and various other things set
[22:39] <ikonia> the upstart path is different than the standard shell
[22:39] <B0bsF1sh> Oh this is interesting. it's actually happening right now
[22:39] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Thank you.
[22:39] <rathitlike> Using XRANDR --output HDMI-0 --SET OVERSCAN ON. Causes some weird screen corruption. Seems like scaling is crushing the screen
[22:40] <laputa> Jordan_U: ikonia: http://pastebin.com/ShEepQM3  solr.conf for upstart and start.sh are here. i comment out the exec /usr/bin/java
[22:40] <sparticle_> ikonia: thanks for your help, Ciao!
[22:42] <laputa> ikonia: hmmm. that make sense. i think java need something like JAVA_HOME, etc to run.
[22:43] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, it appears to be
[22:45] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: Do you have more than one OS in this computer?
[22:46] <Finetundra> i literally just bought the drive. no i do not, Jordan_U
[22:47] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: OK, then grub's menu is hidden by default. Try rebooting while holding shift to see if that gets you a grub menu. If it does, try booting in recovery mode (from the "Advanced options for Ubuntu..." menu entry).
[22:48] <B0bsF1sh> Sending ctrl+alt+del doesn't do anything, sending ACPI power button doesn't do anything. I'll install SSH and see if I can get to that next time
[22:49] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, cannot display video mode
[22:49] <bennypr0fane> hello, I'd like to re-install apache. My goal is to get rid of all faulty config files in one go and restore the defaults. However, removing the package apache2 did not remove anything else, /etc/apache2 is still there with all the junk I put in there when making my first steps with Apache
[22:49] <bennypr0fane> How can I get rid of the remains?
[22:49] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: OK. Hopefully you're currently at a grub menu and just can't see it.
[22:50] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, lets hope
[22:50] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: Try carefully pressing 'c', to get to a grub shell, then type "terminal_output console" and hit return.
[22:50] <bennypr0fane> p.s. I'm on 14.04
[22:50] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, how many times should i press 'c'
[22:51] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, one sec
[22:51] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: Exactly once. If you've already pressed it more than once press return so that you're at least starting a new command.
[22:51] <B0bsF1sh> What does it mean when I get this after executing sudo apt-get install ssh :
[22:51] <B0bsF1sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:51] <B0bsF1sh>  ssh : Depends: openssh-server
[22:51] <B0bsF1sh> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:52] <Jordan_U> B0bsF1sh: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get upgrade".
[22:52] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | B0bsF1sh
[22:52] <bennypr0fane> B0bsF1sh, have you tried apt-get -f install?
[22:52] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: purge the package rather than just remove it
[22:53] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, is that still possible after I already removed it?
[22:53] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: you can but try. confirm current status with "dpkg -l | grep apache" you will see letters beside it to the left
[22:54] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, anyway I thought that I already did that by going "remove completely" in Synaptic. Isn't that the equivalent to apt-get purge?
[22:55] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: might be, don't use it myself.
[22:55] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, apache2-bin, -data, -doc are still installed
[22:55] <donvito> how to go from desktop to server ?
[22:56] <donvito> i want to remove the xfce and grup from my 14.04 and have just server edition
[22:56] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: so it might be worth running "sudo apt-get purge apache2*
[22:56] <krasnayarsk> How do I get the root prompt in the live cd?
[22:56] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, just did: "Package 'apache2' is not installed, so not removed
[22:56] <bennypr0fane> "
[22:56] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: you used the asterisk at the end yes?
[22:57] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, oops, no, didn't see that
[22:57] <bennypr0fane> dude, that's a LOT of packages
[22:58] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, i just thought of something, what if the integrated graphics are so bad that they can't display for ubuntu
[22:58] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: might be wise to pastebin them to check they're ok before you agree
[22:58] <ubuntuaddicted> i compiled a package from git and used checkinstall to make a .deb file but now I can't figure out how to remove the software it installed. Can someone help please
[22:58] <OerHeks> krasnayarsk, ctrl alt t
[22:59] <okchicken> I'm running MATE and I'm having a weird problem: my left touchpad button randomly stopped working. I think it ws after the last update
[22:59] <okchicken> does anybody have any suggestions?
[22:59] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, sorry, it's in german: http://pastie.org/9635815
[22:59] <krasnayarsk> Thanks OerHeks.
[22:59] <bennypr0fane> okchicken, suggestion: don't use Mate on Ubuntu ;-)
[22:59] <reisio> okchicken: doesn't sound so random, then
[23:00] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: That sounds very unlikely, I think that they're just configuring a video mode that your monitor doesn't support.
[23:00] <OerHeks> bennypr0fane, we have mate-desktop
[23:00] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: only ones i'd be concerned about are jitsi*, owncloud* and pdfsam* which i don't recognise
[23:00] <Finetundra> well, i've tried it on 2 moniters
[23:00] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: no worries i can read a little German ;)
[23:00] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, and I am. don't understand why it wants to remove those
[23:00] <bennypr0fane> in fact, I wann keep them
[23:01] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: ok, well you could manually remove the other ones then
[23:01] <okchicken> benny: haha, ok. But seriously, is there anyway to try reinstalling a driver, or checking for conflicts or whatever?
[23:02] <bennypr0fane> okchicken, is it the touchpad itself that's not working, or the buttons for clocking the mouse?
[23:02] <OerHeks> okchicken, you could try to boot an older kernel, as there was a kernel update recently
[23:02] <okchicken> benny: the left button only. Right one and touchpad works fine
[23:03] <bennypr0fane> okchicken, bcs IIRC, the default setting in Mate for the touchpad is to not accept tapping as a mouseclick
[23:03] <bennypr0fane> have you ckecked the settings?
[23:03] <okchicken> benny: Yeah, tapping didn't work at first. I was able to manually enable it (after my left button stopped working)
[23:04] <okchicken> benny: is there an easy way to boot the old kernal to try it out?
[23:04] <bennypr0fane> okchicken, no idea, sorry
[23:04] <okchicken> no problem, thanks
[23:04] <bennypr0fane> I mean I'm sure there is *some* way, but I can't tell you if it's easy
[23:05] <Finetundra> i'm back
[23:08] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: No display > -> no grub menu ? .
[23:09] <bennypr0fane> anyone can help me with the command for removing multipple packages at once by listing them? do i have to put remove before each one?
[23:10] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: "sudo apt-get purge <package1> <package2> ..."
[23:10] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, no, it says that it can't display the video mode
[23:10] <hans_> hi
[23:11] <hans_> why nautilus opens every time whit hidden files
[23:11] <Finetundra> i'm gonna try something that'll take me a minute
[23:11] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, good so that works. Because I've seen like "sudo apt-get purge <package1> && sudo apt-get<package2> ...."
[23:11] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: hah, wherever you saw that was bad
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> hans_, sounds like you have it set to show hidden files
[23:12] <ashley01> I am curious: what reason would a person want to edit the linux kernel? Are there any benefits to learning how to do it?
[23:12] <daftykins> ashley01: better question for #linux
[23:12] <ashley01> ok
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> ashley01, you can write yr own drivers????
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> hahhaa
[23:12] <hans_> when i disable it next it shows it again
[23:12] <ashley01> oh fair enough
[23:13] <ashley01> I'm still learning C but I'm no where near writing my own drivers
[23:13] <ashley01> I would like to someday though, to help out with better drivers for linux
[23:13] <bennypr0fane> probably a long and wnding road, I'd guess...
[23:13] <emacer> drivers are easy
[23:13] <emacer> you need to know hardware for drivers, though; the programming part isn't too hard
[23:14] <B0bsF1sh> This answer helped me get ssh installed: http://askubuntu.com/questions/347280/ubuntu-12-04-and-openssh-server
[23:18] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, any idea why it wants to remove the java packages?
[23:21] <jeremy31> ashley01: keep working on it
[23:21] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: Did you try my suggestion? You need to hold shift during boot, then press "c" then type "terminal_output console".
[23:21] <Jordan_U> Finetundra: We can also change the grub configuration from a liveCD/USB.
[23:21] <bennypr0fane> I don't get it: http://pastie.org/9635853
[23:22] <bennypr0fane> I list the specific packages, and it wnats to remove all those other ones, what's up with that?
[23:24] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, great, now I went ahead and purged, but it's all still there...
[23:25] <bennypr0fane> so, this didn't help...
[23:31] <tropicflite> hi all. anyone else have ack-grep break on 14.10?
[23:32] <squinty> tropicflite:  14.10 discussion should be asked in #ubuntu+1  afaik
[23:33] <tropicflite> ah, thanks. have a good one!
[23:33] <kandinski> anybody here using the fonts-font-awesome package? It installs but I can't get it to render on either gimp or libreoffice. This is using Trusty.
[23:34] <Finetundra> Jordan_U, you there?
[23:35] <Finetundra> someone suggest to me a a gui for the minimal install
[23:35] <dmn123> I often see upstart-udev-bridge[25150]: Disconnected from Upstart in my syslog I’m unsure what it means or if I shoudl be worried
[23:36] <lucian> hey!
[23:36] <lucian> i have a question
[23:36] <tontre> hello all
[23:36] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: I run minimal with xfce .. xfce maybe somewhat dated now, not good support for GTK3 .
[23:38] <lucian> is a suggestion, really
[23:38] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, should i run "install xubuntu-desktop" or how would i install xfce
[23:38] <kandinski> same problem as in here: Wheezy/Stable)
[23:38] <kandinski> I rebooted into newest Debian-Sid-kernel 3.10-3 instead of the newest Liquorix-kernel that I normally use
[23:38] <kandinski> oops, sorry
[23:38] <ubuntuaddicted> how to I fix held broken packages? i'm trying to install libgles2-mesa-dev but it's not letting me
[23:39] <lucian> can the guys from ubuntu include mesa utils in the system itself?
[23:39] <kandinski> same problem as in here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25662067/font-awesome-doesnt-work-on-linux-mint-17
[23:39] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, right now i have a terminal gui
[23:40] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: "install xubuntu-desktop" get you all the bells and whistles, most things pre-configured. xfce4 is small, and light and fast .
[23:41] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, so would it be 'install xfce-desktop'
[23:41] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, or would i be better off w/ lxde or lxqt?
[23:43] <Rainbowhat> Hi, Exec getting permission denied on one of the Dir. Checked WHOAMI , got www-data. Changed owner of Dir & chmod still getting permission denied.
[23:44] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: no, top  install xfce4 -> sudo apt-get install xorg , sudo apt-get install xfce4 , then there is some additional configurtions to do at a later time, to start the desktop from the "install xfce4" -> startxfce4 <-.
[23:44] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: weird, can only suggest deleting it manually then.
[23:44] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: i'd still like to see dpkg's output though from the command i mentioned
[23:45] <lucian> how do i install xfce desktop on ubuntu 12.04
[23:45] <lucian> ?
[23:45] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: What you want for the desk top is relative to what you want. There is no best, just what works best for you. That said, I do like xfce4 .
[23:45] <Rainbowhat> Hi, Exec getting permission denied on one of the Dir. Checked WHOAMI , got www-data. Changed owner of Dir & chmod still getting permission denied. Owner of the directory root www-data with -rwxrwsrwx
[23:45] <enyc> lucian: is there a metapackage in package manager ?  xfce4-desktop or similar ?
[23:46] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, do you mean this one: dpkg -l | grep apache
[23:46] <Finetundra> how do i set what ehternet port my machine uses?
[23:46] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: correct, pastebin please
[23:47] <vitimiti> Bye
[23:47] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, i too like xfce, but i also need something that'll boot up from my regular monitor
[23:47] <lucian> i searched for it... it gives me a lot of things =)))
[23:47] <bennypr0fane> lucian I would try installing just xfce4
[23:48] <Finetundra> speaking of which, how do i set the resolution for grub?
[23:48] <AR45> Does anyone know how to add sublime text 3 commands to the terminal?
[23:48] <bennypr0fane> xfce4 is the metapackage
[23:48] <ubuntuaddicted> how do i get around these dependency issues? libgles2-mesa : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 10.1.3-0ubuntu0.2) but 10.2~git1402150730.1020d8~gd~s is to be installed
[23:48] <lucian> is there a terminal command for that?
[23:49] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: The install should find and set up a wired connection, you will not have a "Network Manager" .
[23:49] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: I set resolution for frub in grub's default file " /etc/default/grub " .
[23:49] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, that outputs nothing right now, zero chars
[23:49] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, well there are 2 ethernet ports but it doesn't seem to like either
[23:50] <bennypr0fane> lucian, sudo apt-get install xfce4   you mean?
[23:50] <lucian> yeah
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: I have 3, and I have set in 'eth1' from " /etc/network/interfaces " .
[23:51] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: oh, trailing * again
[23:51] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, same output
[23:51] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: actually no it should've been fine as is, hrmm
[23:52] <lucian> gotta love terminal =))))
[23:52] <laputa> hi, anyone knows is there any way to list all cronjobs will start in next 1 hours or any time can be specified ?
[23:53] <Finetundra> locked up so i had to reboot
[23:53] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, did I show this? http://pastie.org/9635927
[23:53] <lucian> so, after sudo apt-get install xfce4, anything else i need to know in order to get it fully functional?
[23:53] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: # The resolution used on graphical terminal >>GRUB_GFXMODE=1600x900 // <- my setting.
[23:53] <bennypr0fane> it didn't delete the config directories that weren't empty
[23:54] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: looks like anything you added that put things in apache's paths prevented removal...
[23:54] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, yes, but why? it seems so absurd
[23:54] <OerHeks> laputa, easy way is a gui sudo apt-get install gnome-schedule
[23:55] <Bashing-om> lucian: To start the desktop from the terminal -> startxfce4 <-.
[23:55] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, well my monitor doesn't seem to like the default so i'll have to set it around 1280x720 or something of the sort
[23:55] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: so you don't get angry at it for deleting your data.
[23:55] <RudyValencia> Hi, I'm using Xubuntu LTS 14.04 and I can't seem to record well with Audacity like I could on Windows. There's no noise cancellation and the recording skips. Any reason why that is?
[23:55] <bennypr0fane> daftykins, but I want it to delete my data, and I thought there was no way to say that more clearly than "purge"....
[23:55] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: the other programs you installed aren't bit and are packages, so i'd just remove the lot and be done with it. make backups if you want anything
[23:56] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: Sounds like a good time to investigate the tool "xrandr" .. see -> man xrandr < -
[23:56] <bennypr0fane> "aren't big"?
[23:56] <daftykins> bennypr0fane: ugh yes but this is a different scenario, you could quite easily have been a user that comes in here angry that a purge removed files that weren't apache config, but are in your document root
[23:56] <daftykins> yes, big.
[23:57] <bennypr0fane> RudyValencia, might be because of the different sound server
[23:57] <RudyValencia> bennypr0fane: you mean pulseaudio?
[23:57] <ObrienDave> RudyValencia, set your source to default
[23:58] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, last time i used that it presented quite a fuss
[23:58] <bennypr0fane> RudyValencia, yes, or alsa, or jack. but those should be responsible only for playback i guess
[23:58] <Finetundra> also, i now can't get past grub without getting a blank black screen
[23:58] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: IF you are now booting to grub, from grub the grub command -> vbeinfo <- might be instructive - DO not want to burn up a monitor by overdriving it.
[23:59] <RudyValencia> ObrienDave: that's a lot better, thanks
[23:59] <Finetundra> Bashing-om, i think its actually displaying to low


[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:16] <MooDoo> morning
[08:29] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[08:29] <davidcalle> dholbach, hey :)
[08:32] <davidcalle> dholbach, still working on the importer, optimizing queries and have a way to deal when pages are removed from the doc branches
[08:32] <dholbach> awesome
[08:32] <dholbach> let me know if I can help
[08:33] <davidcalle> dholbach, sure :)
[09:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/developer-ubuntu-com/1471160_publication/+merge/264968 :)
[09:15] <dholbach> woohoo woohoo
[09:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, the description sums up what's going on
[09:21] <davidcalle> dholbach, still a few things needed : eg. the page title tag (but not the menu title) should probably be "<doc> | <alias>", for bookmarks and browser history
[09:22] <dholbach> can you add a couple of FIXME: entries for that kind of stuff? :)
[09:27] <davidcalle> dholbach, sure!
[09:27] <dholbach> thanks
[09:32] <Tm_T> I find this interesting, of course its written with assumption that someone wants to use written text as a hammer, but still http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/35969.html
[09:42] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've added one FIXME, fixed the rest
[09:56] <dholbach> davidcalle, added a few small comments, playing around with the code a bit more now
[10:00] <dholbach> davidcalle, beautiful work
[10:00] <dholbach> davidcalle, the comments I made are minor
[10:04] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks, I've answered to them (except the slugify one, I'll fix that a bit later)
[10:10] <dholbach> cool
[10:23]  * davidcalle drives home for lunch with family, ttyl!
[11:30]  * dholbach relocates, brb
[12:57] <davidcalle> dholbach, are you doing things on the branch? I'm about to (try to) add a button in the admin to trigger a manual import
[12:58] <dholbach> davidcalle, wow, sure - go ahead
[13:00] <davidcalle> dholbach, cool, after that, I'll see what tiny text we can add to releases landing pages (eg. presentation of the doc (release, lp branch), link to the image channels page), then... other ideas?
[13:02] <dholbach> none from me
[13:32] <dholbach> davidcalle, I'm a bit unsure about always creating new pages and dropping the old ones
[13:34] <dholbach> davidcalle, I think I remember we had some issues with it in the loco team portal because the index of a table went up to ∞ in no time :)
[13:35] <dholbach> can't we retrieve the old article somehow, then find the Raw HTML plugin and replace the html in there?
[13:36] <dholbach> if you think it's not totally crazy, I could take a look at it
[13:37] <davidcalle> dholbach, I don't think it's too crazy, but we need to make sure to still be able to: remove pages we don't need anymore, add new ones, make sure we can do that for different sets of docs with different pages
[13:38] <dholbach> right, I agree that that's a bit more complicated
[13:38] <dholbach> I think I'll merge your branch and add a couple of FIXMEs
[13:38] <dholbach> and we can work together on them
[13:41] <davidcalle> dholbach, works for me
[13:41] <dholbach> great
[13:46] <dholbach> davidcalle, ok, done
[13:47] <davidcalle> dholbach, \o/
[14:26] <dholbach> davidcalle, I'll call the branch lp:~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/snappy-docs-import, so we can both work on it and add MPs for it
[14:27] <davidcalle> dholbach, sounds perfect :)
[15:37] <davidcalle> dholbach, thoughts? -> http://i.imgur.com/bDlLP9Y.png
[15:37] <dholbach> woah
[15:37] <dholbach> nice one
[15:38] <dholbach> great work
[15:59] <dholbach> have a great evening everyone!
[15:59] <dholbach> and a great weekend!
[16:00] <dholbach> I'm off on Friday and Monday - at a festival, so no email reading in the meantime :)
[16:00] <dholbach> see you!
[17:08] <pleia2> dpm: joining us for the meeting?
[17:08] <dpm> pleia2, oh, sorry, yes, UTC miscalculation


[00:28] <ricotz> darkxst, http://paste.debian.net/plain/225500
[10:07] <darkxst> ricotz, so I tried to install 3.7 from testing on my Q laptop and hit the same 'focus issue' have been having with jhbuild on R :(
[10:54] <ricotz> darkxst, vanilla quantal with ricotz/testing ppa?
[10:59] <darkxst> ricotz, it was a vanilla quantal install, but has ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed
[11:00] <ricotz> with "focus issue" you mean the exclusive problem in g-s overview?
[11:01] <darkxst> yeh
[11:01] <darkxst> well not just overvew, happens with any pop-up or dialog
[11:01] <darkxst> i.e alt-tab
[11:04] <ricotz> so switching to a window with alt-tab shows it but doesn't focus it?
[11:05] <darkxst> mabye focus is really the wrong word, but basically  launching a dialog (say alt-tab) all input gets stuck keyboard/mouse, that times out after about 10-30sec
[11:05] <darkxst> then you get one more input event from key/mouse and it gets stuck indefinately
[11:06] <ricotz> ok, focus-issue is the wrong word for it then
[11:07] <ricotz> i might have seen this with the volume control with raring
[11:07] <darkxst> also its not your typical push/pop modal issue
[11:07] <ricotz> the alt-tab window stays there for ever?
[11:07] <darkxst> that tends to cause wierd things with events going to the wrong windows
[11:08] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh
[11:08] <ricotz> could you use your volume conrol keys in a "faster way"
[11:08] <ricotz> so tune it up and down a bit
[11:09] <darkxst> I did not try volume keys
[11:09] <ricotz> this is how i am seeing it occasionally and the volume-control-window of g-s gets stuck
[11:09] <ricotz> of course this window doesnt use modal so it doesnt grab all keys afterwards
[11:10] <ricotz> but it sounds like the same issue
[11:10] <darkxst> similar, except this is affecting basically everything
[11:10] <ricotz> i guess you told me already, which x-driver do you use?
[11:11] <darkxst> intel on Q, nvidia blob on R
[11:11] <ricotz> ok
[11:12] <ricotz> blob and intel on R here
[11:12] <ricotz> only seen my issue on with blob
[11:13] <ricotz> will try to reproduce it (i updated today to 313.18)
[11:13] <ricotz> also i am using a pre-release of eglibc 2.17
[11:13] <ricotz> on raring
[11:14] <ricotz> which solves some deadlocks of 2.16
[11:18] <darkxst> of course the strange thing is the 3.7 g-s packages from testing work perfectly on my R machine with broken jhbuild
[11:21] <darkxst> and when I attached to g-s with gdb, it just had g-s sitting in a normal idle state
[11:24] <darkxst> anyway I am stuck on my laptop this week, so can't really go and break it again, to try debug more
[11:46] <ricotz> darkxst, alright, this seems to be caused by some dependency or the X stack
[11:59] <darkxst> hm right
[12:14] <darkxst> btw, I think I probably have xorg-edgers installed on my R/jhbuild machine
[12:40] <ricotz> me too ;)
[17:12] <jbicha_> gdm unlock seems broken http://paste.ubuntu.com/1542043/
[20:39] <darkxst> jbicha_, I think that is this bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689106
[20:40] <jbicha_> darkxst: thanks, I guess I should file a bug report then
[20:41] <jbicha_> I'm getting the gnome-screensaver unlock and the gnome-shell unlock but then it gets stuck with just the gray gnome-shell unlock screen (I'm using 3.7.4)
[20:48] <darkxst> jbicha_, how come you are getting the gnome-screensaver unlock?
[20:53] <darkxst> the 'incorrect pop' results in basically a stuck grab?
[20:53] <jbicha_> uh I think so
[20:54] <jbicha_> let me reboot just to clear some things
[20:59] <jbicha> darkxst: ok, never mind it seems to be working fine now
[21:01] <jbicha> it could just have been me restarting gnome-shell manually which confuses the too fragile gdm/gnome-shell combination
[21:05] <darkxst> oh, its possible that is gnome-screensaver is running when you run 'gnome-shell --replace', then you end up with both
[21:06] <darkxst> I have also occasionally seen g-s fail to get the auth channel to gdm, but pretty sure that results in g-s lock being disabled
[21:13] <darkxst> speaking of stuck grubs I just got hit by one, but different
[21:15] <darkxst> possibly caused by a notification, while in (or maybe exiting) overview
[21:35] <ricotz> jbicha, hi
[21:35] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, was the hg patch usable?
[21:36] <darkxst> yeh
[21:37] <ricotz> jbicha, i have taken a look at g-c-c and it would be quite some work to get a external library again and make g-c-c aware of the ubuntu plugins
[21:37] <ricotz> jbicha, the easiest would be to consume the real plugins as a patch and integrate them like the upstream ones
[21:47] <jbicha> ok I got the login screen problem again, I just had to wait for the screen to automatically lock
[21:48] <jbicha> ricotz: yes, g-c-c is quite a bit more difficult to get the external library working again
[21:52] <jbicha> I'll let Canonical fix that if it's a priority to them
[21:52] <ricotz> btw, i pushed empathy, but i guess i will split account-plugin-* again with the next release
[21:53] <ricotz> jbicha, currently the online-accounts are not usable which is a big deal :\
[21:55] <ricotz> jbicha, or got they integrated in g-c-c?
[21:55] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh the failed push happens when the idle timer kicks in
[21:55] <jbicha> ricotz: ah, well for the staging PPA we may want to disable uoa then since I doubt g-c-c will get fixed until Canonical cares, which probably won't be for a few more months
[21:55] <jbicha> darkxst: should I open a gnome bug for that?
[21:55] <darkxst> jbicha, it is the same bug I linked you before
[21:56] <ricotz> jbicha, uoa is upstreamed
[21:56] <ricotz> meaning in empathy
[21:56] <darkxst> although those patches really just workaround the issue and don't fix whatever is causing the grab to fail
[21:57] <jbicha> ricotz: right but it's still a configure flag


[09:40] <__marco> Hello. I am uploading source packages to launchpad and sometime the packages are not built. The package are correctly uploaded: "Successfully uploaded packages." but the build is not launched
[09:40] <__marco> From launchpad I cannot see any related information
[09:41] <__marco> I uploaded the same package for three distributions: trusty, xenial and bionic and only the bionic upload succeed
[09:41] <__marco> https://launchpad.net/~marco-giusti/+archive/ubuntu/qemu/+packages
[09:42] <__marco> The first attempt was to create a source package for the tree distributions, listing all of them in the changelog. The build was never ran.
[09:43] <__marco> In the second attempt I uploaded the package for bionic only and it worked.
[09:44] <__marco> In the third and fourth attempts I uploaded the package for trusty and xenial, using the same procedure and the builds has not be lunched
[09:45] <__marco> I just notice this message: "Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests
[09:45] <__marco> that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be
[09:45] <__marco> rejected by the upload queue management software.
[09:45] <__marco> "
[09:45] <__marco> and actually the orig.tar.gz package is the same for the three distributions
[10:00] <__marco> Sorry for the noise, every time I received an email, but I didn't notice
[10:18] <wgrant> Yeah, dput doesn't provide much opportunity for feedback, so email it is
[10:18] <wgrant> You'll always get an email unless you didn't sign the .changes properly
[14:07] <__marco> How much time does it takes to remove a package? I uploaded one this morning at 9:30 UTC+2, removed short after but it is still there.
[14:08] <__marco> The is an incompatibility with the source package and I am blocked
[14:11] <acheronuk> what is the message in the email?
[14:32] <__marco> File vde-netemu_20180929.orig.tar.gz already exists in virtualbricks, but uploaded version has different contents
[14:36] <acheronuk> right. well you can never upload the same source file name with different contents in the same PPA. the PPA remembers the file hash for ever and will not permit it
[14:37] <acheronuk> so you will have to increase/change the orig.tar name in some way
[14:37] <__marco> acheronuk: I removed that package but the files are still there. And, by the way, the content is the same but it hashes differently. Different compression levels in different machines?
[14:38] <__marco> I will increase the version
[14:38] <acheronuk> it remembers even if you delete it ;)
[14:39] <__marco> diabolic
[14:40] <__marco> acheronuk: I abuse of your kindness. How would you upload the *same* package for different distributions?
[14:40] <acheronuk> sensible if you think about it. it protects the consistency/integrity of any archive so you don't get altered source packages without any sign they have changed
[14:41] <__marco> first I tried to use different distributions in the changelog. Didn't work
[14:42] <__marco> I remember once upon a time I used to upload the orig for one distribution but not for others
[14:42] <acheronuk> __marco: change the distribution in the changelog, then build and sign the new source package
[14:42] <__marco> I forget how I did it and it was a personal repository, not launchpad
[14:43] <__marco> acheronuk: but then I have to change the version too. The error is because I try to upload the same version for different distributions
[14:44] <__marco> Did you try this:https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Using_packages_from_other_distributions?
[14:48] <acheronuk> yes, append a ~ version for different ubuntu series
[14:49] <acheronuk> e.g. https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/latte-dock/+packages
[14:49] <__marco> acheronuk: I see. Thank you


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[19:38] <mc44> thanks, Pascal
[19:38] <leoquant> sorry a spasm...
[19:39] <leoquant> mc44 pascal indeed
[23:27] <MTecknology> ya, switching sleep schedules by an entire 12hr....
[23:28] <MTecknology> definitely screws with me. I wonder if that's why I'm so irritable.
[23:28] <MTecknology> When I get to finding a job where I expect to stay for a while, I'll need to make sure it'll be standard hours.
[23:29] <MTecknology> I'd get some sleep now if it weren't for the ass holes above me - dorms suck
[23:32] <MTecknology> ya... this was the wrong channel to spew that is... sorry
[23:36] <ScottK> MTecknology: That's twice in ~18 hours.  You might want to consider how you keep track of what channel you're on ...
[23:37] <MTecknology> ScottK: I just switched order of channels. I won't do it again ;)
[23:42] <MTecknology> Just curious, why is the topic open to all to edit?


[10:56] <LimeOn> Hello. Im having problems with the app called Zoom, i cant share some of the lubuntu's default apps(i.e the qpdfview) and also i cant see what i draw in the whiteboard
[10:57] <LimeOn> I only see a black screen. After i draw something, it dissapears, but other participants can see it(but not me)
[10:57] <LimeOn> I know that the problem isnt present in default Ubuntu because i know of somebody that uses it normally
[10:58] <LimeOn> I tried to allow the ports in the firewall, also disabling it a moment, but the problem is still there
[10:58] <LimeOn> Some idea of what could be?
[10:58] <LimeOn> thanks
[15:04] <LimeOn> any idea about the zoom problem?
 Maybe you need to turn on Compton, the compositor?
[15:20] <LimeOn> how i do that?
[15:20] <LimeOn> i have it on the accessories tab, but it does not open
 There is no GUI, If you clicked it, it should be active. If you want it enabled on login you have to go to the session settings. You can find more about that in our manual https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.13/session_settings.html?highlight=compton
[15:24] <LimeOn> that thing does the trick kc2bez
[15:25] <LimeOn> i can see the apps now
[15:25] <LimeOn> thank you very much!
 Excellent! Happy to help.
[15:26] <LimeOn> there's some reason to have compton disabled by default?
 It does use more resources so having it disabled helps those folks that are on lower end machines.
 The difference is pretty small though.
[15:29] <LimeOn> i see, thanks again. Have a good day!
 You as well!
 Is there some easy way to prevent booting computer during some specific hours?
 I setup cron to shutdown computer between 0:00 (midnight) and 5:00 (on every minute between this hours cron has `shutdown` command). … Sadly I learned how to kill cron from boot screen, so it is trivial for me to get around it and I need a new blockade for myself.
[22:42] <wxl> is this a dr. jekyll and mr. hyde sort of problem?
 more or less
[22:43] <wxl> i mean i don't know how you can protect yourself against yourself
 I get quite stupid late in night "lest look at mildly funny videos for 3 hours" or "play Facorio until 4 AM"
[22:44] <wxl> maybe you should consider the old tame the beast trick for the ethical werewolf: chain yourself to something
 :)
[23:08] <LimeOn> what about hide the power cable of the pc?
[23:08] <LimeOn> or something like that
 @LimeOn [<LimeOn> what about hide the power cable of the pc?], It is pretty hard to automate this one, though robot unplugging power cord and running away would be fun :) … Also, I just bought a laptop that still has a working battery
[23:13] <LimeOn> but the battery goes down, i mean, you will be able to use it until a certain amount of time
[23:14] <LimeOn> after that you will have to "searc" the charger
[23:14] <LimeOn> search*


[14:39] <Bardon> Hello, is there a shortcut to split windows across my screen on lubuntu?
[14:39] <Bardon> I mean something like what super+arrow on other window managers
[14:39] <Bardon> like what super+arrow does on other window managers*
[14:45] <kc2bez[m]> Bardon: You would have to add it to the openbox configuration manually. It will break the other super+ keybinds in the process.
[14:46] <Bardon> kc2bez[m]: All the other super+ keybinds? Or do you mean that super+arrows are already assigned?
[14:49] <kc2bez[m]> It would break everything that has super+ like the menu, and the task switcher. super+ arrows are not assigned currently.
[14:49] <Bardon> Ok, thanks!
[14:50] <Bardon> I don't understand why it would break the other super+ bindings since I'm not touching them
[14:52] <kc2bez[m]> lxqt-globalkeys handles the super keybinds now, if you edit the openbox config to use super it steals the focus.
 I'm having trouble connecting my phone to laptop.
 Using Bluetooth device wizard, a list of Bluetooth mac addresses appear
 Any tips or advice please
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0760764b/file_3556.jpg
[19:50] <oerheks> a nice tool is Blueman, else commandline howto https://lynxbee.com/scan-pair-connect-to-bluetooth-device-from-ubuntu-from-command-line-using-bluetoothctl/
[19:50] <oerheks> !info blueman
[19:50] <oerheks> https://www.maketecheasier.com/setup-bluetooth-in-linux/  ( 2 tools, use the last one)
[19:51] <oerheks> i used the commandline howto yesterday to grab the BT-speaker, works fine.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/07c28f28/file_3557.jpg
[20:19] <oerheks> jups
 I hit confirm but nothing happens. When i try to connect via phone to laptop my file never gets transferred


[02:09] <dragon2> what is the bootup time on your setups?
[09:32] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using Lubuntu 20.04. I am looking for an app that will change the wallpaper after a set number if time with a set of images. Is there anything in the default repos ?
[09:37] <guiverc> john_rambo, I think a team member created something (cosmic or an earlier cycle).. looking
[09:42] <guiverc> nah sorry, I'm only finding stitchWP ; I believe I've seen something but nothing is coming to mind currently sorry
[09:47] <kc2bez> dang, I am too late.
[09:47] <guiverc> maybe variety?
[09:48] <kc2bez> that could work
[09:48] <kc2bez> you can point it to a folder of your own images too and it will change
[09:48] <guiverc> variety script has IF statements for LXQt
[09:50] <kc2bez> there is a slideshow tab built in to LXQt that will change the background automatically
[09:54] <guiverc> :( but :) & thanks kc2bez .... the :( as I'm disappointed I didn't think of that..
[09:55] <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.5/desktop.html?highlight=wallpaper   would have been so easy
[09:56] <kc2bez> Variety is good for pulling images in from the internet though.
[09:56] <kc2bez> but yeah, it is sort of built-in
 @guiverc @kc2bez john_rambo LXQt has built in that feature, in the desktop preferences third tab. Pase de diapositivas in spanish, maybe slideshow in eglish.
[11:11] <guiverc> yeah... I'd forgotten it (recall testing it, but never used it myself).. user had gone secs before Dan's 'dang'
[14:20] <evilbug> i'm stuck X_X i'm trying to connect this laptop to my wifi and it keeps telling me the password is wrong even though i've tried it multiple times on multiple devices. this laptop just will not connect. any clues?
[15:49] <alex___> hello
[15:53] <alex___> how do i activate thunderbolt
 What exactly are you trying to do with it? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <alex___> how do i activate thunderbolt)
[23:59] <Guest23931> yuh


[02:31] <RikMills> ubuntu-archive: is it possible to remove the jpeg-xl in mantic proposed? seems to be a git snapshot synced from experimental that FTBFS on all but riscv64. it is causing kimageformats to FTBFS on riscv64 in proposed, and would block migration even if it did not
[02:43] <RikMills> block as jpeg-xl 0.9.0 is a library transition from 0.7.0
[04:02] <vorlon> jbicha: ^^ why is jpeg-xl being synced from experimental?
[04:04] <Ukikie> That's the one that has pixbuf support.
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[06:09] <tjaalton> vorlon: did you look at mesa-amber yet? I hope it's good, as I'm going to be off the next two weeks
[06:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted v4l2loopback [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.12.7-2ubuntu3.1]
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted v4l2loopback [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.12.7-2ubuntu2~22.04.2]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-cargo-debstatus [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-cargo-debstatus [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-flagset [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [0.4.3-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-llvm-bitcode [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.2-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-memo-map [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.3.1-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-picky-asn1-x509 [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.10.0-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-triple-accel [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.4.0-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-cargo-debstatus [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-flagset [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.4.3-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-option-ext [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.2.0-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-edit-distance [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [2.1.0-1]
[06:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-topological-sort [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.2.2-1]
[06:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-llvm-bitcode [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.2-1]
[06:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tpm2-tss [amd64] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core)
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tpm2-tss [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core)
[06:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tpm2-tss [arm64] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core)
[06:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r8125 [source] (jammy-proposed) [9.007.01-3ubuntu0.2]
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xtrx-dkms [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.1+git20190320.5ae3a3e-3ubuntu1~22.04.2]
[07:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rtl8812au [source] (jammy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>75.20140902+dfsg-0ubuntu17~22.04.2]
[07:03] <tjaalton> jammy queue has duplicate uploads for backports, but my powers don't allow cleaning those
[07:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted net-snmp [source] (focal-proposed) [5.8+dfsg-2ubuntu2.8]
[07:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tpm2-tss [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[07:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tpm2-tss [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[07:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tpm2-tss [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[07:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gpgme1.0 [source] (focal-proposed) [1.13.1-7ubuntu2.1]
[07:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gpgme1.0 [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.16.0-1.2ubuntu4.1]
[07:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted photofilmstrip [source] (jammy-proposed) [3.7.3-2ubuntu22.04.1]
[07:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware (lunar-proposed/main) [20230323.gitbcdcfbcf-0ubuntu1.2 => 20230323.gitbcdcfbcf-0ubuntu1.3] (core, kernel)
[07:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ec2-hibinit-agent [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu9.4]
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ec2-hibinit-agent [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ec2-hibinit-agent [source] (kinetic-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu12.2]
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware (jammy-proposed/main) [20220329.git681281e4-0ubuntu3.14 => 20220329.git681281e4-0ubuntu3.15] (core, kernel)
[07:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ec2-hibinit-agent [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu13.2]
[07:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tpm2-tss [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core)
[07:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware [source] (lunar-proposed) [20230323.gitbcdcfbcf-0ubuntu1.3]
[07:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware [source] (jammy-proposed) [20220329.git681281e4-0ubuntu3.15]
[07:58] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:58] <LocutusOfBorg> do you have any idea?
[08:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tpm2-tss [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[08:21] <fheimes> dear @sru-team - would one please reject this jammy upload: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=opencryptoki -- would like to adjust the changelog (thx and sorry)
[08:25] <rbasak> ^ done
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected opencryptoki [source] (jammy-proposed) [3.17.0+dfsg+20220202.b40982e-0ubuntu1.2]
[08:26] <fheimes> thx
[09:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: opencryptoki (jammy-proposed/universe) [3.17.0+dfsg+20220202.b40982e-0ubuntu1.1 => 3.17.0+dfsg+20220202.b40982e-0ubuntu1.2] (no packageset)
[10:39] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: broken pipe = plumbing problem :)
[11:26] <jbicha> vorlon: You can remove jpeg-xl & highway from mantic-proposed. We need the gdk-pixbuf support but it doesn't help if the package doesn't build on our architectures
[12:39] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: your redmine s390x autopkgtests are starting to run
[13:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell (lunar-proposed/main) [44.2-0ubuntu1 => 44.3-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[14:01] <LocutusOfBorg> ta!
[14:19] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on amd64: libperformance0.5, libperformance0.5-dbg (from 0.5.0-1build6)
[14:19] <LocutusOfBorg> please ubuntu-archive NBS cleanup ^^ (all archs)
[14:20] <LocutusOfBorg> this should be the last blocker for gnustep migration
[14:21] <LocutusOfBorg> (after gnustep-sqlclient finish build and publish)
[14:24] <doko> removed
[15:22] <vorlon> tjaalton: ah, I didn't know there was a deadline here.  I'll be looking at it today as part of SRU shift
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks doko its migrating!
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon if we can make nginx migrate it would be a good thing...
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure if its blacklisted again or what is happening
[15:51] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: according to https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/redmine/mantic/s390x it does look denylisted again. ginggs ?
[15:53] <LocutusOfBorg> this is why I'm asking for an hint, we can fix infra later, right?
[15:53] <ginggs> vorlon: 7 out of the 10 redmine autopkgtests that LocutusOfBorg triggered have failed, the remaining 3 are still running
[15:53] <LocutusOfBorg> how did they fail?
[15:54] <ginggs> and yes, i put redmine back in never_run
[15:54] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't see the logs for failure...
[15:54] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. nginx/1.24.0-1ubuntu1 libnginx-mod-http-echo/1:0.63-4	 this should have been green
[15:55] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: 3 of them failed with logs, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/redmine/mantic/s390x
[15:55] <ginggs> which you can see are infra failures
[15:56] <LocutusOfBorg> ok so not redmine fault
[15:56] <LocutusOfBorg> nice to know
[15:56] <ginggs> the rest were automatically put back in at the front of the queue
[15:56] <LocutusOfBorg> because I'm trying to refresh the running page to spot for failures, but it's non-trivial :D
[16:03] <bdmurray> Bleh, the s390x issues in bos02 are rt 155441
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mutter (lunar-proposed/main) [44.2-0ubuntu1 => 44.3-0ubuntu1] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdisplay-info [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdisplay-info [armhf] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdisplay-info [s390x] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdisplay-info [arm64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdisplay-info [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[16:47] <mitchdz> vorlon: I'm going to update the ec2-hibinit-agent MP again to handle removing the /\"/ direcory in the case the hibernation-enabled file doesn't exist. Just mentioning because I think the package is getting ready to go into -proposed
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdisplay-info [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[17:15] <vorlon> mitchdz: sounds good!
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wcslib [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [8.1+ds-2] (kubuntu)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wcslib [armhf] (mantic-proposed/universe) [8.1+ds-2] (kubuntu)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wcslib [arm64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [8.1+ds-2] (kubuntu)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wcslib [s390x] (mantic-proposed/universe) [8.1+ds-2] (kubuntu)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wcslib [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/universe) [8.1+ds-2] (kubuntu)
[17:25] <LocutusOfBorg> guys, I fixed an authentication error on ubuntu-build, not sure why I'm the only one getting it, maybe not many people use the tool
[17:25] <LocutusOfBorg> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-dev-tools/commit/?id=6f0caf1fc0edcf03d1d19efc7aeb4244afc0f2d0
[17:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit 6f0caf1 in ubuntu-dev-tools "ubuntu-build: For some reasons, now you need to be authenticated before trying to use the 'PersonTeam' class features. HEAD main"
[17:25] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the commit, please double check and shout at me in case I broke somebody's workflow
[17:29] <vorlon> I didn't even know ubuntu-build existed until someone (I think you) mentioned it recently :)  I have a laundry list of feature enhancements I want to make to it so it'll be useful for me replacing my local scripts
[17:42] <mitchdz> vorlon: MP branches and PPAs updated with new logic. Can I get your approval for each release when you get the chance? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ec2-hibinit-agent/+bug/2023924
[17:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2023924 in ec2-hibinit-agent (Ubuntu Lunar) "The latest version creates /\'/var/lib/hibinit-agent\' directory" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wcslib [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [8.1+ds-2] (kubuntu)
[19:09] <vorlon> mitchdz: do you have someone who can sponsor the uploads to the queue? I'm working the other side of the queue today (SRU shift)
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: tecla (mantic-proposed/primary) [45~alpha-0ubuntu1]
[19:10] <vorlon> xnox: dwarves-1.25/lib/bpf/.github/actions/build-selftests/vmlinux.h wtf
[19:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dwarves [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.25-0ubuntu1~23.04.1]
[19:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ppx-expect [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.16.0-2build1] (no packageset)
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ppx-expect [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.16.0-2build1] (no packageset)
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ppx-expect [s390x] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.16.0-2build1] (no packageset)
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ppx-expect [arm64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.16.0-2build1] (no packageset)
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ppx-expect [armhf] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.16.0-2build1] (no packageset)
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wcslib [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [8.1+ds-2]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wcslib [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [8.1+ds-2]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wcslib [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [8.1+ds-2]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wcslib [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [8.1+ds-2]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wcslib [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [8.1+ds-2]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdisplay-info [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.1-1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdisplay-info [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.1-1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdisplay-info [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.1-1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wcslib [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [8.1+ds-2]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdisplay-info [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.1-1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdisplay-info [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.1-1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdisplay-info [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [0.1.1-1]
[19:20] <mitchdz> vorlon: Just asked original sponsor to see if they can re-upload to queue. Will get back if I need someone else
[19:30] <athos> are non-core-devs allowed to request syncs on the packages they have upload rights to? e.g., can a MOTU run syncpackage for a package in universe?
[19:31] <jbicha> athos: yes
[19:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dwarves [source] (kinetic-proposed) [1.25-0ubuntu1~22.10.1]
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dwarves [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.25-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[19:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (lunar-proposed) [44.3-0ubuntu1]
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mutter [source] (lunar-proposed) [44.3-0ubuntu1]
[20:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted opencryptoki [source] (kinetic-proposed) [3.18.0+dfsg-0ubuntu2.1]
[20:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted librem-ec-acpi [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.9.1-2ubuntu3]
[20:18] <mitchdz> If someone wants to sponsor my 4 MPs in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ec2-hibinit-agent/+bug/2023924 that'd be great. No rush though as Michael said he could get to it Monday if no one else does.
[20:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2023924 in ec2-hibinit-agent (Ubuntu Lunar) "The latest version creates /\'/var/lib/hibinit-agent\' directory" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (jammy-proposed/main) [1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.12 => 1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.13] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-boxes (lunar-proposed/universe) [44.1-1ubuntu3 => 44.2-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[20:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa-amber [source] (jammy-proposed) [21.3.9-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[20:41] <xnox> vorlon: for some reason that is used to always recheck that 5.5.0 and 4.9.0 kernels work on 20.04
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ppx-expect [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.16.0-2build1] (no packageset)
[20:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-remote-desktop [source] (jammy-proposed) [42.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted distro-info [source] (focal-proposed) [0.23ubuntu1.1]
[20:55] <tjaalton> vorlon: ack, thanks for the review
[20:55] <vorlon> sure thing
[21:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (lunar-proposed/main) [1.1.4-0ubuntu3.1 => 1.1.7-0ubuntu1~23.04.1] (ubuntu-server)
[21:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (kinetic-proposed/main) [1.1.4-0ubuntu1~22.10.3 => 1.1.7-0ubuntu1~22.10.1] (ubuntu-server)
[21:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (jammy-proposed/main) [1.1.4-0ubuntu1~22.04.3 => 1.1.7-0ubuntu1~22.04.1] (ubuntu-server)
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (focal-proposed/main) [1.1.4-0ubuntu1~20.04.3 => 1.1.7-0ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: containerd-app (lunar-proposed/primary) [1.7.2-0ubuntu1~23.04.1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: containerd-app (kinetic-proposed/primary) [1.7.2-0ubuntu1~22.10.1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected flash-kernel [source] (kinetic-proposed) [3.106ubuntu8.2]
[21:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gstreamer-editing-services1.0 [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.20.3-0ubuntu1]
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: containerd-app (jammy-proposed/primary) [1.7.2-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[21:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: elfutils (jammy-proposed/main) [0.188-1~bpo22.04.1 => 0.186-1ubuntu0.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: containerd-app (focal-proposed/primary) [1.7.2-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: docker.io-app (kinetic-proposed/primary) [20.10.25-0ubuntu1~22.10.1]
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: docker.io-app (lunar-proposed/primary) [20.10.25-0ubuntu1~23.04.1]
[21:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: docker.io-app (jammy-proposed/primary) [20.10.25-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[21:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: docker.io-app (focal-proposed/primary) [20.10.25-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[22:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fence-agents [s390x] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[22:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fence-agents [amd64] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[22:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fence-agents [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[22:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fence-agents [armhf] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[22:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fence-agents [arm64] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fence-agents [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fence-agents [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fence-agents [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ppx-expect [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [0.16.0-2build1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ppx-expect [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [0.16.0-2build1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ppx-expect [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [0.16.0-2build1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fence-agents [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ppx-expect [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [0.16.0-2build1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ppx-expect [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [0.16.0-2build1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fence-agents [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1]
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ppx-expect [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [0.16.0-2build1]
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: snapper [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.10.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: snapper [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.10.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: snapper [s390x] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.10.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: snapper [armhf] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.10.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: snapper [arm64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.10.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fence-agents [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/main) [4.12.1-2~exp1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[23:29] <jbicha> vorlon: could you remove rust-cfg-expr from mantic-proposed? it's uninstallable waiting for Debian NEW and is in the way of building other things
[23:42] <vorlon> jbicha: how will we track when rust-cfg-expr 0.15.3-1 should be brought back?
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: rust-libadwaita-sys (mantic-proposed/primary) [0.2.1-0ubuntu1]
[23:44] <jbicha> I'm watching it because rust-system-deps is part of its transition and rust-system-deps is one of the rust-gtk packages
[23:46] <vorlon> jbicha: from update_excuses I can only see that the new rust-cfg-expr makes the existing rust-system-deps uninstallable, so I don't see rust-system-deps as part of a transition.  Are you saying there's an upcoming rust-system-deps upload that will depend on the newer rust-cfg-expr, so you'll know that it's missing?
[23:47] <jbicha> vorlon: yes, it's staged in git https://salsa.debian.org/rust-team/debcargo-conf/-/commits/master/src/system-deps
[23:47] <vorlon> ok
[23:47] <jbicha> but uploading rust-system-deps now won't help since rust-cfg-expr is uninstallable :(
[23:48] <vorlon> right
[23:49] <vorlon> jbicha: removed
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vdr-plugin-live [amd64] (mantic-proposed/none) [3.1.3-2build1] (no packageset)
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[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted snapper [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [0.10.5-2]
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted snapper [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [0.10.5-2]
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted snapper [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [0.10.5-2]
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted snapper [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [0.10.5-2]
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted snapper [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [0.10.5-2]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vdr-plugin-live [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/none) [3.1.3-2build1] (no packageset)


[02:10] <Irishmanluke> anybody watching breaking bad?
[02:11] <InHisName> no
[02:11] <waltman> no.
[02:11] <InHisName> I used to watch breaking away a few decades ago.
[02:12] <Irishmanluke> its the season premiere
[02:12] <InHisName> Whupie Doo
[02:14] <Irishmanluke> its a great series
[02:26] <waltman> So I hear. It's just not my kind of series.
[09:35] <rmg51> Morning
[09:46] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:13] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:50] <waltman> Morning.
[15:08] <InHisName> Morning,  Wow I have 4 minutes break to read here.
[15:10] <waltman> 2 left!
[15:11] <InHisName> Thanks waltman for the bonus two words to read in my 1st two mintues
[15:12] <teddy-dbear> done :-D
[15:13]  * waltman dances a jig as InHisName departs...
[15:14] <InHisName> ta, ta......
[15:41] <ChinnoDog> hi ssweeny
[15:41] <ssweeny> hi ChinnoDog
[15:45] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: big hacdc representation at HOPE. met the president of the space - real nice space, it seems.
[15:45] <jedijf> really interested in the doctor and the pirates' byzantium project
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> I never met the president
[16:14] <pleia2> jedijf: so, was HOPE awesome? :)
[16:15] <pleia2> I've come to realize that I couldn't fully appreciate it when I went
[16:15] <pleia2> was still fun though
[16:15] <jedijf> pleia2: yes
[16:16] <jedijf> pleia2: was that the grey period?
[16:16] <pleia2> jedijf: mine? yes
[16:16] <pleia2> I had just started going outside on my own
[16:18]  * pleia2 applies more coffee to this Monday
[16:19] <jedijf> pleia2: yeah, but regardless, i think as you think back after an event, you always feel as if you could have done more - i do already - and iirc - that was your first irl with wilmer
[16:19] <jedijf> and you had the good working rfid badge
[16:19]  * jedijf remembers internet stalking you while listening to statler radio
[16:20] <jedijf> actually bts and i both were vicariously living thru rfid and radio
[16:21] <pleia2> haha, yeah that was fun
[16:21] <pleia2> I think it was my first conference of any type, and I wasn't really scene-aware (not that I am particularly now, but I am certainly /more/)
[16:22] <jedijf> you know me, i was even having fun with the bus tour sales guys on the corner, and snuck them in on Sunday!
[16:22] <jedijf> hack the con ftw
[16:23] <pleia2> haha
[16:23] <jedijf> we did get snagged, but were in for like 15 minutes
[16:23] <pleia2> :)
[16:24] <jedijf> got some hacdc people to speak at FOSSCON
[16:24] <jedijf> cool project with mesh networking
[16:25] <pleia2> nice!
[16:26] <JonathanD> mesh helicopter wifi networking?
[16:28] <pleia2> we were trying to scheme how to make it out to CPOSC this year, but MJ has a conference the week before and I have one after, couldn't make it work
[16:29] <pleia2> probably will just do one more philly trip this year for wedding stuff
[16:31] <jedijf> you're always welcome to the area - we'll build an event around it (other than wedding time) << that will be it's own event
[16:32] <jedijf> got shotdown at hope when i asked a pregnant lady to do baby workshop at fosscon since her due date was aug 11th
[16:32] <jedijf> and yes, i did suggest it
[16:32] <pleia2> lol
[16:32] <jedijf> could have been epic
[16:36] <rmg51> just what every woman wants.... people looking up her dress when she's not wearing any underware
[21:04] <waltman> I'm renewing my ACM membership. Should I change my prefix to "Dr."? :)
[21:46] <IdleOne> have you earned the right to use such a prefix?
[21:46] <IdleOne> if so, I would.
[21:54] <waltman> seems appropriate for the ACM