 Steam 4 Linux.
[08:27] <popey> looks like it
[08:27]  * DJones checks the date to see if its April 1st
[08:32] <andylockran> lol :)
[08:32] <diplo> nice find popey
[08:32] <diplo> Thought some one would have to do it eventually, especially seeing the sales on indie bundles etc
[08:39] <JamesTait> Morning all! *8OD
[08:42] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:42] <andylockran> mornig bigcalm
[08:42] <andylockran> how goes things?
[08:43] <bigcalm> Rabbit in headlights :)
[08:43] <bigcalm> You?
[08:51] <mungojerry> i just noticed they fixed a global menu issue with dual monitors the other day :D
[08:51] <mungojerry> now the window title doesn't show on the screen without the active window
[08:59] <awilkins> OOh, Steam and Source on Linux #squeee
[09:03] <mungojerry> awilkins, i may be getting ahead of myself, but they could provide their own OS, rather than depend on supporting windows7/8/etc
[09:03] <mungojerry> (and a console)
[09:04] <awilkins> Well, there is that
[09:04] <awilkins> They've been recruiting hardware bods
[09:04] <awilkins> I always thought MS were missing a trick not making XBox-OS for the PC
[09:04] <awilkins> A cut-down version of Windows just for playing games
[09:12] <mungojerry> i have to open up my pc, and switch sata cables just to play a game atm
[09:13] <BigRedS> awilkins: surely that'd be neither XBox nor Windows, though?
[09:13] <BigRedS> and they probably don't like the idea of push Windows as only being good for gaming
[09:13] <awilkins> Well, true
[09:13] <awilkins> People might only use that
[09:14] <awilkins> I stopped using Windows for my primary productivity years ago
[09:14] <BigRedS> yeah, I think that goes for most of us
[09:14] <BigRedS> but I don't think MS want to create an OS that advertises that :)
[09:15] <awilkins> A shame I still need it for email, office documents, etc
[09:15] <awilkins> LibreOffice is all very well *functionally* but the compatibility still bites
[09:17] <awilkins> Our email server is trapped behind an auth gateway that so far no-one has produced an open client implementation for
[09:17] <awilkins> So it's Outlook, VPN, or OWA (uck)
[09:18] <directhex> mungojerry, why not just use a boot loader menu?
[09:18] <mungojerry> directhex, insufficient sata ports, windows is installed on a separate disk :D
[09:18] <directhex> how many drives do you have??!
[09:18] <mungojerry> i have a lowprofile PC with only 2 sata ports. :(
[09:19] <mungojerry> the larger PC was too heavy to carry home.
[09:19] <mungojerry> so i brought the smaller one :)
[09:19] <awilkins> I was thwarted when I bought my new motherboard and discovered that it had no IDE ports
[09:19] <awilkins> I had to buy a new optical drive. Not installed it yet.
[09:20] <directhex> awilkins, well, no, it's 2012. they don't have RS232 either
[09:20] <awilkins> Or PS/2
[09:20] <awilkins> Which is annoying
[09:20] <awilkins> Model M forever!
[09:20] <awilkins> (I got a USB -> PS/2 dongle)
[09:20] <directhex> i think it was intel's ICH8 (maybe ICH9, i'd need to look it up) southbridge controller which eliminated most legacy support, including IDE. so to offer an IDE port, a motherboard needs to pay for an extra chip e.g. a jmicron IDE controller
[09:22] <directhex> "ICH8 is offered in several different versions and is the complement to the 965 class MCH chips. The non-mobile ICH8 does not have a traditional PATA interface, and just one AC'97. In practice, most baseboard manufacturers would like to still support and offer PATA appropriate connection types over additional chips of JMicron or Marvell."
[09:22] <directhex> ICH8 was on P965 and similar chipsets, from 2006
[09:25] <mungojerry> directhex, was looking at sparkleshare yesterday, noticed u were the packager :P
[09:26] <directhex> not the main one, i just made one upload or two
[09:27] <mungojerry> yeah,
[09:27] <mungojerry> have got a couple of guys at work into it
[09:37] <davmor2> morning all you funky people
[09:48] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude, at least one of you is funky ;)
[09:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: you pinged me last night
[09:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah did you take out all the memory from your hp server before you put the new stuff in?  Was it 2gb if so if it fits mine would you be interested in selling it?
[09:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: yep, I have it spare
[09:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: cool I'll double check what mine take but I have a horrible feeling it might be ddr2 not 3
[10:01] <bigcalm> Ok
[10:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:12] <selinuxium> morning all   o/
[10:12] <brobostigon> morning selinuxium
[10:12] <selinuxium> Hiya brobostigon, you good?
[10:13] <brobostigon> selinuxium: yes, i think so, mostly. and you?
[10:13] <selinuxium> Not too bad thanks. :)
[10:13] <brobostigon> :)
[10:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: meh DDR2 :(
[10:23] <gord> i still read dance dance revolution...
[10:35] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-sH53vXP2A&feature=related
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> gord: not East Germany?
[10:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: so this ddr3 won't work in your box?
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> gord: Deutsche Demokratische Republik (German), the German Democratic Republic (English), i.e., the former East Germany, a state in Europe, 1949–90
[10:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: Nope
[10:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: That's sucky
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: such is life
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've got a shed-load of ddr1 if you want ;)
[10:40]  * MartijnVdS looks waht his laptop eats
[10:40] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: wrong size I'd speculate
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: DDR3
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> well yes
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> SO-DIMMs
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> Considering upgrading to 8G
[10:56] <zleap> popey, just tried 12.04 on my desktop,   keyboard overlay works fine :)
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> keyboard overlay?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> Like the ones you used to get with WordPerfect? :)
[10:59] <zleap> press super and you get numbers on the launcher,  keep it pressed you get a keyboard overlay pop up over the screen
[10:59] <zleap> http://joesteiger.com/2012/01/18/shortcut-hints-overlay-added-to-unity-ubuntu-12-04/
[11:13] <brobostigon> are all ipod connectors the same? or do they vary, and i have to get one specific to the ipod model?
[11:14] <BigRedS> brobostigon: I've not yet found any incompatibility
[11:14] <BigRedS> and I've got through shedloads of the things
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> Even the first ever ipods etc.?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> the firewire ones?
[11:20] <popey> zleap: hurrah
[11:21] <popey> brobostigon: the only different ones recently are the ipod nanos which have no 30-pin dock but connect via the headphone port
[11:22] <brobostigon> popey: the model i have here is the very first nano model.
[11:24] <popey> brobostigon: does it have a display?
[11:24] <brobostigon> popey: yes.
[11:24] <popey> so yeah, "standard" 30 pin doc connector on the bottom
[11:25] <brobostigon> so any standard ipod connector, will work.
[11:26] <brobostigon> ok, thank you popey
[11:26] <popey> ya
[11:27] <brobostigon> :)
[11:27] <directhex> "standard ipod connector"?
[11:28] <brobostigon> yes, the female/male proprietry connector.
[11:58] <mungojerry> just saw somebody using bing search. lol
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: Weird people
[12:25] <zleap> chat later,
[12:25] <zleap> btw is it possible to alter the size of icons in the launcher ?
[12:26] <Darael> zleap: ISTR yes, but I forget how.
[12:26] <bigcalm> Yes, but I'm not using unity atm to tell you how
[12:26] <zleap> ok
[12:26] <zleap> what is ISTR
[12:26] <Darael> zleap: I Seem To Remember.
[12:26] <bigcalm> I seem to remember
[12:26] <zleap> ok thanks
[12:26] <zleap> a bit like IIRC
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> In the "appearance" dialog
[12:26] <zleap> if i recall correctly
[12:26] <zleap> ok will have a look,  or have a look with 12.04
[12:27] <zleap> i wonder if 12.04 will pull in user data from an existing install
[12:27] <Darael> If memory serves, it's not in the GUI config tools for Oneiric, but it is in the ones for Precise.
[12:27] <zleap> if installed to another partition
[12:27] <Darael> Possibly it can be got at in Oneiric with CCSM.
[12:28] <zleap> that would be useful  icons are fine,  but sligtly smaller may be good here
[12:28] <zleap> anyway got 2 go,  so chat when i get back from work
[12:41] <directhex> mungojerry, i use it on my phone, since it's the only option
[12:46] <popey> directhex: you can't change it?
[12:46] <directhex> nein. i can add a google shortcut to my home screen, but the search button goes to bing
[12:47] <popey> heheh
[12:47] <popey> lolphone
[12:48] <dwatkins> bing uses google's results anyway, though ;)
[12:49] <davmor2> directhex: would that be a windows phone 7 phone then?
[12:49] <directhex> davmor2, yes
[12:51] <Darael> A thought just occurred.  We've had Bayesian filters in email clients for yonks, but there don't seem to be any newsreaders with one, even though the scoring features of more recent ones seem like they'd fit with the concept rather well.  D'you think it's just because (proportionally) so few people bother with Usenet any more?
[12:51] <directhex> popey, some chinese OEMs hardcode bing into their androids, iirc
[12:51] <bigcalm> Usewhat? ;)
[12:51] <popey> nice
[12:52] <Darael> bigcalm: That's an answer of sorts, I suppose.
[12:52] <dwatkins> Darael: there's always RSS
[12:52] <Darael> dwatkins: It's hardly the same.
[12:52] <dwatkins> Darael: true, but I imagine it's a lot more prevelant nowadays
[12:53] <dwatkins> I'd like my RSS reader to show me things I actually want to read
[12:53] <Darael> Indeed it is (although aren't we all supposed to be using ATOM instead?).  It's still not the same, being unidirectional.
[12:53] <dwatkins> Having said that, the counter argument could be stated that I should choose my RSS feeds more carefully, of course.
[13:05] <BigRedS> We're looking to hire a sysadmin at work, how frowned-upon are posts like that to the uuk list?
[13:08] <shauno> I'd be tempted to nudge you towards http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs  if that avenue interests you
[13:08] <shauno> (doesn't answer yer question, but worth knowing it's there ;)
[13:14] <popey> +1
[13:20] <BigRedS> yeah, I think it's going to be posted there, too
[13:20] <BigRedS> I suppose anyone on lists in general who is after a job is on that one, too, anyway
[13:31] <BigRedS> Is there a way to report bugs against content in wiki.ubuntu.com?
[13:32] <BigRedS> I can't find it as a project in Launchpad
[13:32] <diplo> Where are you anyhoo BigRedS ?
[13:35] <mattt> on ubuntu, what creates the ssh host keys?
[13:35] <popey> BigRedS: it's a wiki
[13:35] <popey> edit it
[13:35] <mattt> i know on RHEL etc. there's an ssh-keygen in the sshd init script
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> mattt: the postinst script of the ssh daemon
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> mattt: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst
[13:37] <AlanBell> there may be some regenerating of host keys in the oem config stuff
[13:37] <BigRedS> popey: that only works if I know what is correct
[13:37] <popey> BigRedS: what page ?
[13:37] <BigRedS> if someone follows the instructions on the wiki and finds they don't work how do they flag this up for someone who does know the answer
[13:37] <mattt> MartijnVdS: ah, makes sense
[13:38]  * czajkowski tickles christel
[13:38] <BigRedS> er, a java one. Someone's mentioned it on your favourite list :)
[13:38] <BigRedS> hang on
[13:39] <BigRedS> oh, wait, not the wiki. I mis-read. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[13:39] <BigRedS> not sure what that counts as
[13:39] <BigRedS> argh. There's too much documentation
[13:39] <popey> community documentation
[13:39] <popey> whats wrong with it?
[13:39] <mattt> AlanBell: yeah, i have an older ubuntu VM with no host keys, and when it first boots they get created
[13:39] <mattt> while on 11.10 no recreation seems to take place
[13:40] <BigRedS> I don't know; I don't have anything here to test on, it just ocurred to me that there's no apparent process for bug reports against it
[13:40] <BigRedS> he's saying that he gets no errors and no Java which is probably not what's happening
[13:40] <AlanBell> BigRedS: that is a wiki too
[13:40] <BigRedS> yeah, but it's not *the* wiki :)
[13:41] <popey> it's _a_ wiki
[13:41] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:41] <BigRedS> still, the fact it's a wiki is great if someone who knows the answer happens to find that the content is wrong
[13:41] <popey> well
[13:41] <BigRedS> which seems a little unlikely
[13:41] <popey> at the top there is "Wiki Guide"
[13:41] <popey> I clicked that
[13:41] <popey> there is "Communication"
[13:42] <BigRedS> aha, in there is a link to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bugs
[13:42] <BigRedS> so it's ubuntu-docs that any bug would be reported against
[13:49] <popey> cool
[14:02] <gord> http://www.superbotentertainment.com/ is a very cool website
[14:11] <popey> indeed
[14:53] <popey> ooh, it's all gamey news today.
[14:55]  * AlanBell likes a bit of game pie
[14:57] <Guest32511> ello?
[14:57] <AlanBell> hello Guest32511
[14:58] <popey> hi pete
[14:58] <popey> hi pete
[14:58] <cbx33> hey popey
[14:58] <cbx33> long time dude!
[14:58] <cbx33> hey AlanBell
[14:58] <cbx33> how is evreyone?
[14:58] <popey> tickety boo
[14:58] <cbx33> so I'm sat here wondering if I should upgrade tonight
[14:58] <popey> except AlanBell who is ill
[14:58] <popey> yes, do it now before the rush
[14:58]  * AlanBell is mostly fixed
[14:58] <cbx33> yeh
[14:58] <cbx33> thinking that
[14:59] <cbx33> man it's been a long time indeed
[14:59] <cbx33> so are people sticking with unity now
[14:59]  * AlanBell will have one last pre-podcast lemsip then I am totally fixed
[14:59] <cbx33> or looking at the reworked classic?
[14:59] <AlanBell> yeah, unity has been mostly unbroken and is now quite good
[14:59]  * cbx33 has been out of the loop - FOR A LONG TIME
[14:59] <popey> i only use unity
[14:59] <popey> even on old/slow/crappy machines
[14:59] <cbx33> I have been using it too
[15:00] <cbx33> to be honest it's been pretty good
[15:00] <popey> my kids both use unity 2d on their Eee 900 (900MHz Celerons)
[15:00] <cbx33> yeh
[15:00] <cbx33> so tonight I upgrade then
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: and even with a script to try and force you to use 2d more
[15:00] <cbx33> home my boot time improves
[15:01] <cbx33> s/home/bope
[15:01] <cbx33> oh fcol!!!
[15:01] <popey> nope
[15:01] <popey> i remotely updated mums machine yesterday
[15:01] <popey> no calls yet
[15:01] <cbx33> popey: was that an answer to my hope?
[15:01] <popey> heh
[15:02] <popey> its nice and quick here
[15:02] <cbx33> sweet
[15:02] <popey> but then I have SSDs in everything
[15:02] <cbx33> mine suffered i think with the last upgrade
[15:02] <cbx33> I may have to do a fresh install
[15:02] <cbx33> but I always hate doing that
[15:02] <popey> i rarely fresh install
[15:03] <cbx33> yeh
[15:03] <cbx33> I don't like to
[15:03] <cbx33> I hope calibre is fixed in 12.04
[15:04] <popey> how is it broken?
[15:04] <cbx33> some converting didn't work for me
[15:04] <cbx33> in the Git book
[15:05] <cbx33> hey popey did you ever read my novel btw :p
[15:05] <cbx33> hahaha
[15:05] <cbx33> j/k
[15:09] <cbx33> *tumbleweed*
[15:18] <AlanBell> everyone coming to the release party tomorrow?
[15:19] <davmor2> AlanBell: nope working
[15:19] <bigcalm> AlanBell: too far for a school night
[15:20] <bigcalm> Gah, it's Wednesday today?
[15:20] <bigcalm> Time is slipping away from me
[15:21] <Aivaras> Guys may any one uses google's or openDNS DNS servers and can ping to my domain and say that IP that gives? its "256.lt" Thanks!
[15:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's not slipping I'm stealing it muhahahahahahahahahahah
[15:22] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ host 256.lt
[15:22] <popey> 256.lt has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:22] <popey> 256.lt mail is handled by 10 mail.256.lt.
[15:22] <bigcalm> Aivaras: http://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/256.lt
[15:23] <popey> Aivaras: you can do this yourself. nslookup 256.lt <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:23] <Aivaras> oh. thank you guys :)
[15:28] <AlanBell> looks like 60 responses to the cabinet office consultation so far (well 60 answers to question1)
[15:29] <AlanBell> http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/ please fill it in if you have not done so already
[15:33] <davmor2> popey: is it nearly out yet?
[16:02] <czajkowski> dear ear popping madness go away :(
[16:09] <drussell> czajkowski: could be worse... ear pooping madness would get very messy...
[16:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: use the lemsip
[16:42] <czajkowski> drussell: way with words sir!
[16:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: just went and got some
[16:42] <czajkowski> had to wait till the pesky rain went away
[16:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: did you get the dissolve or swallow ones?  if take the first one as tablets to keep you going for now and then the next set have as a drink the vapours will help sooth
[16:46] <czajkowski> swallow ones dissolve stuff is icky
[16:46] <czajkowski> and also drussell since when did you arrive mister
[16:53] <drussell> czajkowski: arrive? I've been here for a very long time ;o)
[16:54] <drussell> czajkowski: stealthy though ;o)
[16:55] <dogmatic69> http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/srxsd/if_you_have_rackspace_cloud_servers_run_an_ip/
[16:55] <dogmatic69> :O
[16:56] <dogmatic69> rackspace / slicehost vpn == virtual public network
[17:00] <hamitron> dogmatic69, isn't that common?
[17:00] <dogmatic69> idk
[17:00] <hamitron> I personally disable the "local" interface on my vps
[17:01] <hamitron> then just have loopback and public interface
[17:30] <MarquessDeBonBon> Any of you going to be at Infosec tomorrow?
[18:34] <brobostigon> http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/manual.html interesting program.
[18:41] <Azelphur> phoronix are chanting steam is coming to linux again
[18:41] <Azelphur> not sure if real this time
[18:43] <robjohnc> dunno, the screenshots look reasonable, and a hostname of "valve-system-name-here" could be a precursor to the "Steam Box"
[18:43] <Azelphur> would be interesting if the steam box was just a linux box
[18:44] <robjohnc> there was some talk about how if the "Steam Box" had to run windows, it would be too expensive
[18:44] <Azelphur> yea, perhaps that's what they are doing
[18:44] <robjohnc> If it runs linux, that's also a way to keep competitors (e.g. Origin) off the box, as there's no linux client for them
[18:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:47] <popey> tbh once steam on linux is available _anyone_ can make a steam box
[18:48] <Azelphur> interesting prospect :)
[18:48] <robjohnc> Indeed. I can get rid of windows completely.
[18:48] <popey> people could just make a black box
[18:48] <popey> with an auto-updating lean linux distro that boots directly into steam
[18:49] <robjohnc> yes. Certified Steam boxes could have a certain hardware configuration, and therefore be fully tested etc.
[18:49] <bigcalm> popey: good idea, let me know when it's ready ;)
[18:54] <dwatkins> bigcalm: http://www.develop-online.net/news/40019/Valve-product-designer-leaks-Steam-console-photo ;)
[18:55] <bigcalm> Looks like a PC
[18:55] <bigcalm> Not very consoly
[18:56] <dwatkins> fifteen years in any job, and I'd be building linux machines on my desk at work
[18:59] <zleap> hello
[19:51] <gmb> Random aside: Stunt Alan's voice reminds me of Douglas Adams.
[20:05]  * popey points gmb at #ubuntu-uk-podcast
[20:06] <bigcalm> Oh, is that happening tonight?
[20:07] <bigcalm> popey: how come you're not on but Mr Bell is?
[20:10] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I am the replacement Alan
[20:12] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Apart from the 1st name, I haven't found you both to be completely interchangeable just yet.
[20:12] <bigcalm> AlanBell: get a job with Canonical ;)
[20:17] <bigcalm> Is it out yet?
[20:17] <popey> :D
[20:17] <zleap> hi
[20:17] <zleap> bigcalm, i didn't tjhink it was out till tomorrow
[20:18] <jacobw> precise has been out in my mind since i started using it at beta1
[20:18] <popey> zleap: humour
[20:18] <zleap> sorry
[20:18] <bigcalm> zleap: I'm very aware of when it's our. Sadly my attempt at humour only works if you know I've been around for a few releases now :)
[20:19] <zleap> ok
[20:19] <bigcalm> That and I've had 2 pints of ale
[20:19] <bigcalm> Oh my, just had a thought
[20:19] <bigcalm> I hope the RAT goes slowly and is a smooth ride
[20:20] <bigcalm> Hope people don't get motion sickness :|
[20:20]  * jacobw prediced the thought would be ale related
[20:20] <bigcalm> Real Ale Train is not far away now :D
[20:20] <zleap> ohh,
[20:20] <jacobw> slashdot is really disappointing
[20:21] <popey> welcome to 5 years ago
[20:21] <bigcalm> Haha
[20:22] <jacobw> it used to my source of technical analysis of cool new stuff, now its just like reading bbc technology news without an ubuntu logo on ubuntu related stories
[20:23] <jacobw> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
[20:23] <zleap> just printed that poster sent to the list,  on unity, excellent document
[20:23] <jacobw> :D
[20:24] <jacobw> that poster is going to be stuck on the side of the screen of the less technical users when i upgrade my office to precise
[20:26] <bigcalm> Only need to have Mum's birthday, Gran's birthday, Hayley's 40th birthday, Northern Ireland trip, Stewart Francis gig, sister's birthday, my birthday, RAT, dad's birthday. Then we get to oggcamp :D
[20:30] <bigcalm> Oo, Stewart Francis gig is before Hayley's birthday and Northern Ireland
[20:30] <bigcalm> Fun
[20:32] <zleap> maybe it can be included on cd's
[20:32] <zleap> or is it too late for that
[20:32] <YaManicK1ll> is there no wiki page for precise release parties?
[20:33] <AlanBell> YaManicK1ll: that is done on the loco directory now
[20:33] <YaManicK1ll> oooooo ok
[20:33] <YaManicK1ll> makes more sense
[20:33] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/
[20:34] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1598/detail/ all of them
[20:34] <YaManicK1ll> cool cool
[20:37] <popey> bigcalm: you on 12.04?
[20:37] <popey> or anyone
[20:38] <bigcalm> popey: laptop is, not currently running
[20:38] <bigcalm> Sup?
[20:38] <bigcalm> Oh, servers are :D
[20:38] <Daviey> popey: are you nuts?  Wouldn't run that yet :)
[20:38] <popey> press printscreen
[20:38] <popey> flashes twice when it should flash once
[20:40] <Daviey> popey: you know i don't have a print screen button on this machine :)
[20:41] <bigcalm> popey: yes, dual flash
[20:42] <popey> hahaa Daviey
[20:42] <popey> get a thinkpad
[20:42] <popey> :D
[20:42] <popey> (and don't kill it this time)
[20:42] <popey> maybe it's the redeye reduction feature
[20:43] <ali1234> confirmed with the printscreen thing
[20:43] <popey> ta
[20:43] <ali1234> second flash is just 1 frame
[20:43] <ali1234> probably a divide by zero / fencepost error in the fading out algorithm
[20:43] <bigcalm> Can you run dropbox on a headless server (no gui)?
[20:45] <bigcalm> And does U1 still require a GUI to work?
[20:45] <popey> bug 988543
[20:45] <popey> yes bigcalm
[20:45] <popey> no bigcalm
[20:45] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless
[20:45] <bigcalm> 3 bags full, bigcalm
[20:46] <bigcalm> popey: bug 988543 confirmed
[20:46] <popey> ta
[20:47] <bigcalm> Starting to ponder U1 usage
[20:47] <bigcalm> Have 4.2gb on dropbox though
[20:48] <bigcalm> And it's on all of my machines and platforms
[20:48] <popey> i recently cleared out my dropbox
[20:48] <popey> 0.2% of 11GB used
[20:48] <bigcalm> And it's how I share documents with work
[20:48] <bigcalm> Boss uses it, I need to keep using it
[20:48] <popey> aaaaaaand, yet again I click "Ubuntu Software Centre" when I meant to click "Ubuntu One"
[20:48] <popey> yeah, i only used it for that
[20:49] <bigcalm> Humm, is that a bug?
[20:49] <popey> what?
[20:49] <bigcalm> Clicking the wrong icon ;)
[20:49] <popey> two icons next to eachother being predominantly orange in colour?
[20:49] <bigcalm> I would say so
[20:50] <bigcalm> 2 pints of ale, maybe I won't do any more work for the evening
[20:50] <ali1234> what if the icons had some writing under them... then you could tell the difference?
[20:50] <ali1234> or maybe at the side
[20:50] <bigcalm> A matter of space?
[20:50] <ali1234> why leave U1 on the launcher anyway?
[20:50] <ali1234> doesn't it run automatically?
[20:51] <popey> progress indicator
[20:51] <popey> when it works :D
[20:51] <popey> good point
[20:51] <ali1234> for that matter why leave software center on there?
[20:51] <popey> i have a habit of locking random apps to the launcher
[20:51] <popey> indeed!
[20:51] <ali1234> use the dash it is faster
[20:51] <popey> not after 3 glasses of wine it isnt
[20:52] <popey> my mouse targetting is pretty good, typing less so
[20:52] <ali1234> i only have nautilus, firefox and shell locked
[20:52] <ali1234> and gedit
[20:54] <bigcalm> Does unity work over 3 screens on 2 graphics cards? Plus one of the screen is rotated 90 degrees
[20:55] <Azelphur> bigcalm: no.
[20:55] <bigcalm> I shall stick with xfce for the time being then
[20:55] <Azelphur> bigcalm: maybe on ATI, definitely not on nvidia
[20:55] <bigcalm> Azelphur: both gfx cards are nvidia
[20:55] <Azelphur> yea, no then.
[20:55] <Azelphur> been there tried that
[20:55] <Azelphur> I also use XFCE
[20:56] <bigcalm> I want to use Unity :)
[20:56] <bigcalm> I want to be a part of the crowd, not apart from it
[20:56] <Azelphur> lol
[21:02] <bigcalm> I can't help myself. I'm still working
[21:02] <bigcalm> What is wrong with me?
[21:02] <bigcalm> I used to work until 10pm ish when I worked in the office. At least working from home means I can have a drink at this time of night.
[21:03] <bigcalm> Not sure it mixes well with coding though
[21:05] <jacobw> work is fun
[21:06] <ali1234> why is myspace tom on g+?
[21:06] <ali1234> and why does it keep suggesting him to me?
[21:06] <ali1234> is it the real myspace tom or an imposter?
[21:06] <ali1234> he has 2 million followers
[21:08] <robjohnc> his photos made me block him
[21:08] <ali1234> that's the only thing he posts
[21:09] <ali1234> but why isn't he posting this stuff on myspace>
[21:12] <soulnafein> howdy
[21:12] <soulnafein> is there any event planned in London?
[21:13] <ali1234> i heard there's some sporting event soon
[21:13] <soulnafein> lol
[21:13] <soulnafein> I mean an Ubuntu one
[21:19] <popey> soulnafein: yes
[21:19] <popey> tomorrow evening
[21:20] <soulnafein> where
[21:20] <popey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/
[21:26] <soulnafein> thanks
[21:35] <bigcalm> And another ticket bites the dust
[21:35] <bigcalm> Maybe drinking is good for my coding
[21:36] <bigcalm> Should experiment during work hours tomorrow
[21:36] <bigcalm> Damn, I want a curry now
[21:36] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: what you coding?
[21:37] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: symfony 1.4, cakephp 1.1, bespoke API for an iOS app
[21:37] <dogmatic69> :/
[21:37] <Cabbage> How do I connect to servers?
[21:38] <bigcalm> Now, time for some SOAP and paypoint.net
[21:38] <bigcalm> Cabbage: what servers are you referring to?
[21:38] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: why not bust out the php3 while you are back in the dark ages?
[21:38] <Cabbage> I want to onnet to FinalOwnage
[21:38] <dogmatic69> Cabbage: open chrome, type ip :)
[21:38] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: the site I'm writing the API for was started in 2001. The code is hairy
[21:39] <Cabbage> ip?
[21:39] <Cabbage> How you find ip?
[21:39] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: my condolences
[21:39] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it pays the bills :)
[21:39] <dogmatic69> Cabbage: I was being sarcastic, your question was not very specific
[21:39] <bigcalm> I like wiring bespoke code. Some what liberating
[21:39] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: https://www.ohloh.net/languages/2
[21:39] <dogmatic69> so do I :)
[21:39] <Cabbage> Thanks for the help.
[21:40] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: there are worse things one can use than PHP to make a living
[21:40] <bigcalm> Cabbage: if you can be more specific, we might be able to help you
[21:40] <bigcalm> :)
[21:41] <Cabbage> Imagine I play RuneScape.
[21:41] <bigcalm> I have no idea what that is
[21:41] <Cabbage> Okay, lemme think
[21:41] <jacobw> its a browser based mmorpg
[21:41] <Cabbage> [ Final Ownage Elite IRC ]
[21:41] <Cabbage> #FinalOwnage
[21:41] <Cabbage> I try to join that irc
[21:41] <Cabbage> idk how
[21:42] <jacobw> what irc network is it on?
[21:42] <jacobw> what client are you using?
[21:42] <bigcalm> If it's on freenode (this network), just type /join #finalownage
[21:42] <dogmatic69> https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=FinalOwnage+irc
[21:42] <jacobw> to join an irc channel, you need to know its name and what network its on
[21:42] <Cabbage> Okay ty
[21:42] <bigcalm> Otherwise you will have to connect to the correct network 1st and then use that command
[21:44] <Cabbage> Gonna try find out which network
[21:45] <bigcalm> Cabbage: where did you see #FinalOwnage?
[21:45] <Cabbage> irc.swiftirc.net
[21:45] <Cabbage> That is server
[21:45] <Cabbage> Server:
[21:45] <Cabbage> irc.swiftirc.net (6667)
[21:45] <bigcalm> type: /server irc.swiftirc.net
[21:45] <bigcalm> And then: /join #finalownage
[21:45] <Cabbage> ty
[21:45] <bigcalm> Cabbage: what irc client are you using?
[21:45] <jacobw> http://www.swiftirc.net/index.php?page=chat&client=qwebirc
[21:45] <bigcalm> Indeed, you could also use their webchat
[21:46] <Cabbage> xchat i think
[21:46] <bigcalm> I guess they typed the command :)
[21:46] <jacobw> out of band ftw
[21:46] <jacobw> ;)
[21:52] <soulnafein> at what time is 12.04 available?
[21:56] <popey> soulnafein: we dont specify a time
[21:56] <popey> gord: saw this and thought of you http://www.wtfjapanseriously.com/2012/04/candy-hamburgers.html
[21:57]  * bigcalm will never again accept sweets from gord
[21:59] <ali1234> so... steam for linux anyone?
[21:59] <Azelphur> do want
[21:59] <ali1234> in the phoronix article that line about how gabe sounds like "a directory of Linux Foundation" is very telling
[22:00] <ali1234> jim zemlin has been pushing this idea of linux as a platform for "app stores" for years
[22:00] <ali1234> because if your appstore runs on a linux based platform you create, you don't have to give 30% to anyone
[22:01] <ali1234> thus his efforts to push it for OEMs
[22:01] <ali1234> jim zemlin is of course... director of the linux foundation
[22:02] <AlanBell> canonical want 5% or something like that I think
[22:02] <ali1234> it wont matter
[22:02] <ali1234> 5% is still more than 0%
[22:03] <AlanBell> yeah, I get that, I was just throwing it out there as another data point
[22:03] <ali1234> also 5% is absurdly low
[22:03] <ali1234> literally absolutely everyone charges 30%
[22:03] <AlanBell> literally apple and google charge 30%
[22:03] <ali1234> and microsoft
[22:04] <AlanBell> I was wrong
[22:04] <AlanBell> they charge 20%
[22:04] <ali1234> also nokia/ovi
[22:04] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/
[22:05] <bigcalm> Wouldn't it be grand if 12.04 was released while everybody was asleep?
[22:05] <AlanBell> "everyone"
[22:05] <bigcalm> Absolutely everyone
[22:06] <bigcalm> Think flashforward
[22:06] <ali1234> what's that movie where everyone in the world falls asleep for 1 hour and then they have to figure out why?
[22:06] <ali1234> seems like amazon is 30% too btw
[22:07] <bigcalm> ali1234: sounds like an episode of TNG
[22:07] <ali1234> no it;s what you said
[22:07] <ali1234> except it wasn;t an hour
[22:07] <bigcalm> 2 mins or something
[22:07] <popey> i watched the first 5 mins of that
[22:07] <popey> kinda wish I'd watched the rest
[22:07] <ali1234> it was cancelled
[22:08] <ali1234> so you probably saved yourself a lot of time
[22:08] <bigcalm> We watched 3 eps and got bored
[22:08] <bigcalm> I have the book to read at some point
[22:08] <bigcalm> Right, time for sleep
[22:08] <bigcalm> Night peeps
[22:10] <gord> popey, yeah thats great :) something like that inspired me to start this service. got even more candy today, so tasty http://lightbox.com/photo/mXCyOJe and http://lightbox.com/photo/OR1muYZ
[22:14] <popey> gord: do you have any idea what's in htem before you open them?
[22:18] <gord> kinda, the guy sends out emails sometimes, often when the candy needs a description, but me and a friend who also gets the service ignore them and open them at the same time so its a surprise :)
[22:20] <popey> ☺
[22:20] <Oli> ali1234: FlashForward?
[22:21] <Oli> My bad - thought you were looking for the name.
[22:36] <zleap> if I share a cd drive on windows,  how do I access this from Ubuntu
[22:36] <zleap> i have shared my printer on windows
[22:37] <zleap> i found it
[22:38] <zleap> it may hammer my network somewhat
[22:39] <hamitron> I'd assume you mount it like any other smbfs share
[22:51] <zleap> ok fuse (specy emulator do i need gTk or sdl version


[10:17]  * smartboyhw wonders can Beta 2 be marked ready
[10:25] <astraljava> Were there any testers?
[10:27] <smartboyhw> astraljava, well there is one (me) on amd64 and another volunteer for i386...
[10:28] <astraljava> How were the results? Were the required tests successful?
[10:28] <smartboyhw> astraljava, successful:D (Though actually we can handle 1 of the 4 testcases) and I think it can be marked ready....Not much new on beta 2 anyway
[10:44] <astraljava> Yeah, if there were no alarming issues found while testing, I suppose it's only for the better to get it out there for wider testing. Beta-2 is usually very tempting already for the bigger masses.
[10:45]  * smartboyhw thinks it is true and now waits for scott-work to appear.
[10:46] <knome> astraljava, are you calling me fat?
[10:46] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:46] <astraljava> knome: When have I ever not?
[10:46] <knome> right.
[10:46] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Are you familiar with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:47] <smartboyhw> astraljava, er no:P
[10:47]  * knome listens too.
[10:47] <astraljava> Seeing that you're now more interested about test cases, automation should be the obvious next step.
[10:47] <smartboyhw> len-dt you here? Would you like to help test the i386 iso? Only one guy is not enough:P
[10:47] <astraljava> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-utah-devel
[10:48] <astraljava> knome: I was planning to mention this to elfy as well.
[10:48] <astraljava> But do you wanna?
[10:48]  * smartboyhw rather wants astraljava to talk about it in #xubuntu-devel so everyone can listen:P
[10:48] <knome> astraljava, you should
[10:49] <astraljava> I don't have time for longer chat, and I don't really know about it that much. But it was certainly on my mind when I wanted to develop our QA processes.
[10:49] <knome> yep, sounds like a natural next step
[10:49]  * smartboyhw thought that testcases are about those in the ISO QA Tracker:P
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Welcome scott-work :)
[13:38] <smartboyhw> scott-work, are you going to sign off the image?;)
[13:40] <astraljava> seb128 | I'm sorry but it's just not realistic to expect me or whoever upload glib and gtk to be responsive for ever years old unmaintained universe source
[13:40] <astraljava> some of our packages won't probably be around much longer... ^^
[13:40] <smartboyhw> astraljava, sad news then
[14:07] <smartboyhw> testers here? Please test the i386 build, not all of the mandatory  tests are not being run and skaet is saying that we may just not go and release it. ailo, len-dt astraljava if you can do help
[14:07]  * smartboyhw will do the amd64 one
[14:15] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i will be doing it, i had thought i already had
[14:15] <smartboyhw> scott-work, no now skaet said no one is doing the mandatory testcases and no Beta 2 if no test
[14:16] <scott-work> i may log on, but the is generally a formality when i have people at my desk needing help, messages on my phone, and email waiting to be answered...all related to work
[14:16] <smartboyhw> ok
[14:16] <scott-work> right, how many tests are left and how much time do we have left?
[14:17] <astraljava> I'll see if I can test i386 when I get home, but it won't happen very soon, ETA in about 2 hours or so.
[14:17] <smartboyhw> scott-work, tests: i386 auto-resize and manual partitioning
[14:17] <smartboyhw> time: dunno
[14:18] <smartboyhw> amd64 one left I will do it
[14:21] <smartboyhw> time: 1 hour at least
[14:44] <scott-work> since my boss was fired (which was really an ill conceived insertion between me and the VP of engineering) i have been much, much more busy with work
[14:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, oh ok
[14:44] <scott-work> i don't like this...i don't like it at all
[14:44] <smartboyhw> :(
[14:45] <scott-work> partly because it detracts from other things, but also because it's stupid
[14:45] <scott-work> i say stupid because there are problems that i shouldn't have to address
[14:46] <scott-work> so i'm working on a developing a framework here at work that should eliminate (or at least mitigate) their interference with me and my department
[14:46] <scott-work> i _had_ planned on minimizing my efforts with studio for this cycle in order to work on producing some content, i haven't even had time to really do that :(
[14:46] <scott-work> i'm quite frustrated and pissed about it
[14:46] <smartboyhw> OH no
[14:53] <smartboyhw> OK test finished yay!
[14:53] <micahg> astraljava: what's the problem with glib?
[14:54] <micahg> is this for the rebuild failures?
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Images ready guys:)
[15:48] <astraljava> micahg: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/27/%23ubuntu-devel.txt, from 12:54 onwards, party includes doko & seb128. Specifically our package libgstreamermm-0.10-2 is affected.
[15:56] <smartboyhw> Bye all:)
[16:11] <micahg> astraljava: right, I'll try to tackle those rebuild failures next month (although, idk if I'll get it in time for final freeze)
[16:11] <micahg> doko and seb128 had a similar exchange last cycle
[16:19] <astraljava> You could kinda tell from this one that it wasn't the first. :)


[02:05] <imgbot> [03:35] <imgbot> [03:35] <imgbot> [20:17] <bzoltan_> Mirv: strange, when  I run the UITK tests, the device goes to reboot loop after the first dialer app and shorts app tests.. .


[00:05] <infinity> angs: Don't set interfaces to "auto" that can't be configured on boot?
[00:13] <angs> infinity, I removed all auto interfaces, but it still stucks on the boot for the network configurations
[00:19] <angs> what file do I need to edit on /boot to be able set buddy=spidev on the kernel command-line. here is my /boot directory http://pastebin.com/UkB4UFVT
[02:08] <angs> I get such connection error http://pastebin.com/fxRQzthg while I am trying to apt-get install or update, how can I fix it?
[07:47] <angs> I installed prebuilt image from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu does anyone use SPI without anyproblem with that image file?
[10:07] <setkeh> Hey guys im trying to mount the Nexus7 ubuntu image on my pc to have a gander at it but i get the bad filesystem error from mount -t udf -o loop image.img /mountpoint and i have the udf and squashfs stuff also dmesg complains about "[292104.208871] UDF-fs: warning (device loop0): udf_load_vrs: No anchor found" and "[292104.208873] UDF-fs: warning (device loop0): udf_fill_super: No partition found (1)" Any
[10:07] <setkeh> ideas ??
[10:30] <siretart> regarding my question earlier today, I finally found out how to call qemu
[10:30] <siretart> I'm making notes with my experiments here, in case anyone is interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/ARM
[14:59] <harrisr> what is this channel
[14:59] <k1l_> harrisr: read the topic!


[00:07] <mmcc> chaselivingston: there was a problem with code signing in that last build. I've uploaded another one, when you get a chance please look for it and let me know if it works for you. (it'll be another 10 min or so before it's up there)
[01:22] <chaselivingston> mmcc: downloading now
[01:23] <chaselivingston> mmcc: appears to be working
[07:51] <mandel> morning all!
[08:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[11:39] <ralsina> good morning!
[11:57] <mandel> ralsina, morning!
[11:57] <mandel> ralsina, how is it going?
[12:00] <mandel> ralsina, why were you giving complements last night?
[12:03] <alecu> hola all!
[12:03] <alecu> hola mandel, ralsina
[12:03] <mandel> alecu, buenas!
[12:05] <ralsina> mandel: because they are true :-)
[12:06] <mandel> ralsina, I don't usually trust complements.. is one of my things
[12:07] <ralsina> mandel: ok, then you suck. Happy? ;-)
[12:07] <mandel> yes, a little better :)
[12:07] <ralsina> hahaha
[12:30] <gatox> good morning!
[12:30] <gatox> (the alarm didn't work :S)
[12:31] <mandel> gatox, that is alarming!
[12:32] <gatox> mandel, i don't know how to answer to that.......
[12:32] <gatox> jejjee
[12:46] <gatox> alecu, are you here already?
[12:46] <gatox> mandel, how is that morning? have you seen alecu walking around here? :P
[12:47] <mandel> gatox, yes, he is around here :)
[12:47] <ralsina> gatox: I saw him a while ago
[12:47] <mandel> gatox, things are going good, nearly done with the preview design, moving to properly fix the state machine
[12:47] <gatox> mandel, cool
[12:48] <gatox> mandel, ralsina thx.... i'll wait for his answer then
[12:49] <alecu> hi gatox!
[12:49] <gatox> alecu, hi mister!
[12:50] <alecu> gatox: I was in the channel next door, reading about oauth and timestamps
[12:50] <gatox> alecu, :P
[12:50] <gatox> alecu, just a little question about your need info..... do you want me to create the bug or just impplement that in this branch?
[12:50] <mandel> lunch time in spain :)
[12:50]  * mandel lunch
[12:50] <gatox> mandel, enjoy
[12:51] <gatox> alecu, i don't know if you prefere another branch to avoid increasing the amount of lines..... but i could do it in this one too
[12:58] <alecu> gatox: I'd like to know if we can get this branch thru the FFe like it is, and get another branch to fix it thru the FFe as well.
[12:58] <gatox> alecu, ok..... creating the bug report then
[12:59] <alecu> gatox: perhaps you can just change the delay between checks to... let's say 3 seconds. And create a new bug for that.
[13:00] <alecu> gatox: "for that" -> "for updating the menu only on changes"
[13:01] <gatox> alecu, ack..... will do that
[13:04] <alecu> gatox: anyway, we should ask ralsina or joshuahoover if we would need a second FFe for that fix. If a second is needed then we should try to fold the fix in the first branch.
[13:05] <gatox> alecu, mmmm.... but is not a "feature" is a fix
[13:05] <gatox> but..... let's ask
[13:05] <gatox> ralsina,
[13:05] <gatox> ^
[13:07] <ralsina> yes, probably not a FFe-worthy thing
[13:12] <gatox> alecu, mmmm i've another suggestion also.... but if we can do it in the next branch will be better: using OrderedDict for the current transfers.... because right now is using a plain dict.... so we just retrieve an element, but it will be better to retrieve the items with the most written value.... so the user can see that something is really going on, and not just some random item that might be not being transfer yet
[13:13] <alecu> gatox: ok, so I'm approving like it is, then you can work on the other branch with the fixes.
[13:14] <gatox> alecu, great
[13:14] <gatox> alecu, wait!
[13:14] <gatox> alecu, i'm uploading the improves for the tests as you suggest
[13:14] <gatox> and changing to 3 secs
[13:15] <alecu> gatox: great. I just locally approved.
[13:15] <alecu> gatox: let me known when I can re-review.
[13:15] <gatox> alecu, uploaded... i'll wait for launchpad to rescan that.... and approve it globally
[13:15] <gatox> alecu, ah ok
[13:32] <alecu> gatox: do you want to mumble regarding the new bug?
[13:34] <gatox> alecu, could it be in a few mins?
[13:34] <alecu> gatox: sure, no prob.
[13:41] <gatox> alecu, ready to mumble
[13:56] <dobey> ok
[13:56] <dobey> alecu or ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu-sso-client/update-4-0/+merge/125042 please. it has mmcc's fix from last night now
[13:58] <ralsina> dobey: looking
[13:59] <ralsina> dobey: global +1
[14:00] <ralsina> I am runnng some banking errands, should be back in about 20' modulo flooding, famine or internecine wars
[14:26] <dobey> oh, ugh
[14:27] <dobey> gatox: can you please make the syncmenu integration not be required on linux, as the other unity integration is?
[14:44] <gatox> dobey, ok..... i'll take a look at that
[14:46] <alecu> after discussing the remaining bug with gatox, I'm now convinced that the syncmenu feature will kick ass
[14:46] <gatox> \o/............\o/
[14:46]  * gatox runs around the room
[14:46] <gatox> jejeje
[14:47] <alecu> dobey: I think we should also make gir1.2-syncmenu-0.1 a recommended package for u1-client. Right gatox?
[14:47] <gatox> right
[14:49] <dobey> we will
[14:50] <dobey> although i have no idea where the actual indicator comes from
[14:51] <JoseExposito> mmcc mandel ping
[14:51] <mandel> JoseExposito, buenas!
[14:52] <JoseExposito> mandel Hola, cómo estás? mejor en inglés?
[14:52] <mandel> JoseExposito, yes, much better in eng
[14:53] <JoseExposito> mandel ok
[14:53] <mandel> JoseExposito, so you are using the rest api, right, which should not be very efficient for what you want, right?
[14:53] <JoseExposito> tell about the U1 plans and sync daemon communication please
[14:54] <JoseExposito> mandel, right
[14:55] <mandel> JoseExposito, ideally you will want to talk with the daemon directly, and we have an api for that, but is a pita because it uses twisted.pb as a protocol, which we can try to implement in objective-c
[14:55] <mandel> JoseExposito, or as a crazy, I'm not going to do it idea, we can move to json
[14:56] <alecu> mandel: we had almost half a branch that added a json interface, remember?
[14:56] <ralsina> mandel: that's why I suggested him to use the REST APIs
[14:57] <alecu> ralsina: that makes sense for server stuff... but does it make sense to get the state of the local files?
[14:57] <mandel> alecu, yes, which should be good starting point
[14:57] <mandel> ralsina, exactly, for what JoseExposito is doing is not a smart route to take
[14:57] <JoseExposito> yes, looks difficult to implement in objc...
[14:57] <ralsina> possible >> smart
[14:58] <ralsina> it should be "easy" to create a script that connects to sd and dumps the file sharing status
[14:58] <ralsina> or use u1sdtool for that
[14:58] <gatox> alecu, these are the bugs reports: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1052922  -  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1052956
[15:00] <alecu> ralsina: and have that script be run every time SD completes a download?
[15:00] <dobey> gatox: that second one at least, will probably be quite a lot of work
[15:00] <gatox> dobey, no.... why?
[15:00] <alecu> ralsina: otherwise you won't see any progress if you leave finder open.
[15:00] <thisfred> me
[15:00] <JoseExposito> the only information that the plugin need is the state of the file (uploaded or uploaded) the sync volumes and know if the file is public, it is? Is possible to get this information in a fast way to the daemon?
[15:00] <gatox> dobey, we already discuss that con alecu, is actually quite simple to implement
[15:00] <mandel> me
[15:00] <dobey> gatox: because afaik, syncdaemon does absolutely no sorting of transfers at all
[15:00] <ralsina> me
[15:00] <dobey> me
[15:00] <gatox> dobey, OrderedDict
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <mmcc> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> JoseExposito: just an FYI but it's about to get kinda loud in here for a few minutes while we do a quick team meeting
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <thisfred> DONE: u1db/playlists thinking hacking TODO: use inmemory u1db u ubuntuone servers for playlist tests
[15:01] <thisfred> oops
[15:01] <alecu> me
[15:01] <mandel> JoseExposito, standup, give us 2 min
[15:02] <JoseExposito> mandel, ok, no problem, ping me when you can talk!
[15:02] <ralsina> thisfred: pretend to go!
[15:02] <thisfred> DONE: u1db/playlists thinking hacking TODO: use inmemory u1db in ubuntuone servers for playlist tests, migration script BLOCKED: no COMMENT: movin to Portland T minus 5 days, come monday I'll be gone for 2 weeks. NEXT: mandel
[15:02] <mandel> DONE: finished most of the preview design. Started doing some debugging to improve the preview transition.
[15:02] <mandel> TODO: more preview state machine.
[15:02] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:02] <mandel> ralsina, please
[15:02] <ralsina> DONE: calls, calls, calls, planning, very little coding, ISP-wrangling, administrivia. TODO: more of the same BLOCKED: All ISPs suck. NEXT: dobey
[15:02] <dobey> DONE: releases/uploads
[15:02] <dobey> TODO: finish releases, finish new old icons?, webapp packaging?
[15:02] <dobey> BLCK: webapps confusion/miscomms.
[15:02] <dobey> gatox: go
[15:02] <gatox> DONE:
[15:02] <gatox> Proposed SyncMenu branch, proposed u1-sso branch to fix wrong string parsing. Mumble with alecu to discuss some improves with the SyncMenu
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Work on SyncMenu cpu use, and ordered current transfers.
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <gatox> No
[15:02] <gatox> mmcc, go
[15:03] <mmcc> DONE: fixed sync bug in fsevents daemon
[15:03] <mmcc> TODO: get reviews for daemon upgrade and sync fix, look at startup wizard
[15:03] <mmcc> BLOK:
[15:03] <mmcc> NEXT: briancurtin
[15:03] <briancurtin> DONE: rewrote handlers in test_timestamp, tweaked them to almost be right
[15:03] <briancurtin> TODO: multiple-call tests are failing because counts are off, need to figure that out. only three tests fail in test_timestamp, all for the same reason, so it'll be nice to knock those out
[15:03] <briancurtin> NEXT: alecu
[15:03] <alecu> DONE: mumbles, cleanups in lens, review for gatox
[15:03] <alecu> TODO: handle json errors in lens
[15:03] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:03] <ralsina> dobey: let me put those in order: finish releases, webapp packaging, finish with icons
[15:03] <ralsina> dobey: unless swapping the icons in a post-beta update is bad for some reason
[15:04] <dobey> ralsina: in order, icons -> release
[15:04] <ralsina> dobey: ok, then icons->release->webapp
[15:04] <dobey> ralsina: and apparently you need to talk to will about the webapps one anyway, before i can do anything (if i even need to do anything at this point)
[15:05] <ralsina> gack
[15:05] <mandel> alecu, there is one thing regarding the scope I need to explain you for design (very very easy)
[15:05] <ralsina> dobey: did you speak with anyone in #webapps?
[15:05] <dobey> not yet, no
[15:06] <ralsina> dobey: ok, I'm there now, let's do it ASAP so we can clear that
[15:06] <mandel> JoseExposito, you are in madrid right?
[15:06] <mandel> JoseExposito, or spain in general?
[15:06] <JoseExposito> mandel, in Madrid
[15:07] <mandel> JoseExposito, awesome! because there is an easy way to get this moving forward, canas por el centro + conversacion geek :)
[15:07]  * alecu can surely use some tapas
[15:07] <JoseExposito> mandel, ok, looks very nice!
[15:07] <alecu> ouch, I forgot I'm in Buenos Aires!
[15:08] <mandel> JoseExposito, ok, lets pm and we decide how to organize it :)
[15:08] <JoseExposito> lol
[15:10] <mandel> alecu, in the music scope you have to create the purchase action with an icon hint pointing to the u1 icon to be used
[15:10] <mandel> alecu, and the icon is part of the scope package
[15:12] <mandel> alecu, does it make sense?
[15:12] <ralsina> gatox: can you please update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1042343 with latest info?
[15:14] <gatox> ralsina, set it to "in progress" or something else?
[15:16] <ralsina> gatox: a comment explaining where you are, times etc
[15:16] <gatox> ah ok
[15:25]  * gatox lunch
[15:32] <alecu> mandel: great, I'll take a look at it.
[15:33] <mandel> alecu, you know already which man to ask in #ferrets :)
[15:33] <mmcc> mandel, if you get a minute to look at a change I made in fsevents_daemon.py, that'd be helpful. It should be fast
[15:33] <mmcc> mandel: here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/fix-daemon-rename-event/+merge/125074
[15:34]  * mandel looks
[15:34] <mmcc> mandel: the main change is on line 107 of the diff. adding a modify event when we've seen a create. it's the same issue we had with the fsevents code
[15:35] <mandel> mmcc, got it
[15:39]  * alecu goes to get some food
[15:43] <ralsina> mmcc: that's the "moved in finder" thing, right?
[15:44] <mmcc> ralsina: yes, the system sends a rename event, we translate it correctly into a create, but we also need a modify to trigger upload
[15:45] <ralsina> mmcc: strong dejavu all over again
[15:45] <mmcc> ralsina: yes indeed
[15:47] <mmcc> the nice thing about finding a bug twice is you already know how to fix it :)
[15:50] <mandel> mmcc, in theory, yes hehe
[15:51] <mandel> anyways, EOD here before I go nuts with that preview state machine.. catch you all tom!
[15:51] <mandel> o/
[15:51] <dobey> need lunch, bbiab
[16:02] <mmcc> boy, bzr takes a while to get emacs trunk… I wonder if it's just a slow server or related to the 110,097 revisions in there
[16:02] <briancurtin> its just bzr in general
[16:03] <mmcc> it took about 50 minuets to bar branch the tree
[16:03] <mmcc> bzr. bzr branch
[16:05] <briancurtin> for some reason an ssh hg clone of cpython on windows used to take like 4 hours. lol windows, lol source control in general
[16:05] <briancurtin> (compared to single digit minutes on mac/linux)
[16:05] <mmcc> I guess this is why people put up with git…
[16:06] <mmcc> (total speculation, I haven't used it on a large project, but I hear it's fast)
[16:06] <briancurtin> i started using git for a little side project. its faster at being awful
[16:08] <mmcc> briancurtin: heh.
[16:10] <mmcc> I remember really liking darcs for a while… I wonder if that was because it was a trivial single-person project
[16:11] <ralsina> briancurtin: git is awesome at being incomprehensible. Noone *knows* git. Some people just think they do.
[16:11] <ralsina> briancurtin: bzr on windows is spectacularly slow
[16:12] <briancurtin> it's the hip thing to do
[16:13] <ralsina> the only cool thing about git is people really do contribute a lot via github pull requests
[16:13] <ralsina> everything else is just the same as every other dvcs just harder
[16:13] <mmcc> yeah, github is really putting a lot of lipstick on that pig
[16:13] <briancurtin> yep. github i like. git i dont
[16:14] <mmcc> github is awfully nice, but don't you wish it was 'dvcshub' or something
[16:15] <ralsina> also, the github issue tracker is evil
[16:16] <ralsina> one issue category is "question". So, you answer it. Then you close it, right? Then noone can see it anymore. It's the anti-openstack model.
[16:18] <mmcc> ralsina: heh. nice
[16:39] <lauratika> hi, i have a doubt... i use cryptkeeper folders in ubuntu and when i sync that folder and logout (unmount drive) the file no longer is up in the cloud. this is how is supposed to work? is there a way to keep the file sync or in the cloud?
[16:42] <ralsina> lauratika: when you unmount it, ubuntu one sees that as a deletion, so it removes it in the cloud
[16:42] <ralsina> lauratika: you would have to stop u1 before unmounting, and it does seem fragile...
[16:43] <ralsina> lauratika: OTOH, if you succeed, doesn't that mean you are storing the unencrypted files on u1?
[17:43] <dobey> alecu, ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/new-old-icons/+merge/125290
[17:45] <mmcc_> alecu, ralsina - I have three merges that need review.  I think I'll take the rest of the day off
[17:54] <alecu> dobey, mmcc_: I'll try to do any pending reviews tonite
[17:55] <ralsina> mmcc: +1 on fix-default-fs-monitor
[17:57] <alecu> ralsina: I've added the half day on canonicaladmin, but will try to get back later tonight anyway.
[17:57] <ralsina> alecu: if you feel bad, dn't
[17:57] <ralsina> alecu: rest and come back better tomorrow
[17:58] <mmcc> thanks ralsina. alecu - feel better. my reviews can wait
[17:59] <gatox> alecu, ohh... get better alecu !
[18:01] <ralsina> mmcc: global +1 on fix-daemon-rename-event although I am not near my mac, so I just read it
[18:01] <mmcc> ralsina: ok, I did test it, so we should be fine ;)
[18:01] <ralsina> mmcc: and yikes on launchdaemon, I think that one's out of my depth
[18:02] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, I'm not sure how to handle reviewing that. Maybe a mumble review …
[18:02] <mmcc> although honestly most of it is just ctypes boilerplate garbage
[18:03] <mmcc> should I try to write an explanation to aid review?
[18:04] <ralsina> mmcc: I think I will just slog through it
[18:04] <ralsina> and try it on my mini tonight
[18:04] <ralsina> so it should be reviewed early tomorrow
[18:04] <briancurtin> finally, test_timestamp passes cleanly
[18:04] <ralsina> mmcc: but you need a strong second review, probably mandel's
[18:05] <mmcc> ok ralsina , let me know if you have any questions
[18:07] <ralsina> dobey: since gatox's Q sync menu branch is merging, can you later show him how to provide the build & install logs?
[18:07] <dobey> is it merging?
[18:08] <dobey> oh, it is merged
[18:08] <gatox> merged..... yes
[18:08] <dobey> bugger. it landed before my icon branch
[18:15] <dobey> is it beer:thirty yet?
[18:16] <lauratika> ralsina	yeah, it mans info goes unecrypted and it's fine, just protection for local files on the pc, cloud i dont giva a fly who can see it... thanx for the info.
[18:18] <ralsina> lauratika: ok then, that's what's happening :-)
[18:19] <lauratika>  :)
[18:23] <mmcc> ralsina: I just wrote some notes to help make sense of that launchdaemon branch. they're in the MP change description
[18:24] <lauratika> another question i have a 1.183 Mbps internet speed... how long will take aprox to upload 5gb?
[18:24] <ralsina> mmcc: awesome, much appreciated!
[18:24] <ralsina> lauratika: the technical term is "a while" ;-)
[18:25] <ralsina> lauratika: after a ramp-up period it should start saturating your upstream (if you don't throttle it)
[18:25] <lauratika> a desperating while or a regular while??
[18:25] <ralsina> lauratika: however, if your files match some known files, they will not even have to be uploaded at all
[18:25] <lauratika> or a wtf while...
[18:25] <ralsina> lauratika: so, worst case, I would say ... (flips open calculator)
[18:25] <ralsina> lauratika: 4 hours?
[18:26] <lauratika> alrighty so it's a wtf while... doing it at night then...
[18:26] <lauratika>  ;)
[18:26] <ralsina> lauratika: OTOH, are those 1.183Mbps uploading?
[18:26] <lauratika> no downloading
[18:26] <ralsina> lauratika: 5gb is a lot of mb :-)
[18:26] <ralsina> lauratika: well, you need to check your upload speed
[18:26] <dobey> your "b" is wrong
[18:26]  * czajkowski needs to remove laura off highlight
[18:27] <lauratika> hwo can i check the upload speed?
[18:27] <ralsina> lauratika: http://speedtest.net/ may help
[18:30] <lauratika> thanx again...
[18:41] <ralsina> Taking a break, getting some fresh air
[18:41] <ralsina> will be back in 60 or so
[18:45] <dobey> i should do that too
[19:24] <dobey> ugh, i386 nightlies failed to build :(
[19:25] <dobey> what the royal f
[19:44] <dobey> brb
[19:54] <mmcc> A/C repair guy is here, will be afk intermittently for a bit
[20:13] <dobey> hmm
[20:21] <ralsina> mmcc: +1 on launchdaemon
[20:21] <mmcc> great, thanks ralsina
[20:35] <dobey> ah crap
[20:38]  * dobey has a trivial fix
[20:46] <dobey> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-icon-install/+merge/125337 please :)
[20:48] <ralsina> dobey: got it
[20:48] <ralsina> dobey: I am not even going to ask why
[20:48] <ralsina> +1
[20:58] <mmcc> lunch, I guess
[21:03] <gatox> ok...... eod for me..... it's house cleaning time for me :P
[21:03] <gatox> see you tomorrow people
[21:03] <ralsina> I am EODing as well
[21:04] <ralsina> dobey: I assume you still have some work to do for releases, so sorry I can't stay to do the reviews and such but still no internet at home :-(
[21:04] <ralsina> so, I suppose mmcc and briancurtin will have to take my spot for reviews, and I will keep fingers crossed nothing catches fire
[21:05] <briancurtin> sure, just let me know
[21:05] <dobey> yes i do :-/
[21:05] <ralsina> dobey: perhaps take a half day off tomorrow if it takes too long
[21:05] <ralsina> dobey: you more than earned that
[21:05] <dobey> ralsina: mi cabesa esta en fuego!!
[21:05] <ralsina> hahaha
[21:07] <ralsina> bye, see you all tomorrow!
[21:08] <dobey> cheers
[21:10] <dobey> i think i will have to make the stable-4-0 release not include the syncmenu bits; and patch them into the ubuntu pakcage if we can manage to get the FFe approved (hopefully before freeze tomorrow)
[21:11] <dobey> waiting for nightlies…
[21:12] <ralsina> dobey: sounds good
[21:13] <ralsina> what time is the freeze tomorrow?
[21:20] <dobey> ralsina: 2100 UTC
[21:21] <ralsina> ok, we have a little time then
[21:21] <ralsina> sigh
[21:21] <ralsina> really gone now
[21:49] <dobey> mmcc, briancurtin: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/update-4-0/+merge/125353 YOLO if you could :)
[21:49] <briancurtin> on it
[22:01] <briancurtin> dobey: approve
[22:01] <mmcc> back from lunch. dobey, I'm happy to help with these stable merge reviews
[22:01] <dobey> thanks
[22:02] <dobey> mmcc: brian got it, thanks :)
[22:03] <mmcc> dobey: ah, ok. btw, that commit message had roberto's name formatted differently from everyone else's. is that intentional?
[22:05] <dobey> mmcc: no, i forgot to fix it up. thanks
[22:16] <dobey> and just realized i will actually have to merge it manually anyway, because it keeps getting OOM on that tarmac instance
[22:16] <dobey> but need to run for now
[22:17] <dobey> have fun kids!


[00:21] <steelcityjim> ok when I launch the html file that is contained within the var/www file my web page comes up
[00:21] <steelcityjim> but when I use the browser and access the site it get a different "text" view
[00:29] <steelcityjim> when I load this file under the WWW should it be named the domain name?
[00:30] <Davedan> where a packages usually saves files it needs for saving data and processing on ubuntu?
[00:36] <twb> Davedan: what do you mean by `saving data and processing'?
[00:37] <Davedan>  twb: I want to create a simple package
[00:37] <Davedan> the package will need to create a file and after several minutes to delete it
[00:37] <Davedan> I don't want to create files in a place that is not suitable for it
[00:37] <twb> Davedan: I recommend you read the Debian Policy manual, then, and the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3.
[00:37] <Davedan>  twb: thanks I will
[00:38] <twb> Davedan: you can also ask #debian-mentors on OFTC; I don't know if there is an Ubuntu equivalent (possibly #ubuntu-devel?)
[00:38] <Davedan> ok
[00:38] <twb> I would guess that you want to use ${TMPDIR:-/tmp}
[00:40] <steelcityjim> ok what happens after you edit a html file, does it back itself up?
[00:40] <ScottK> twb: For packaging help here the best channel is #ubuntu-motu.
[00:40] <ScottK> Davedan: ^^
[00:40] <steelcityjim> or how do you make sure the most recent edit is being useed
[00:42] <twb> ScottK: thanks
[00:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, hello :)
[00:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Davedan, twb probably #ubuntu-motu for mentorish things
[00:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, ScottK beat me
[00:43] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Hi !!! :-/
[00:43]  * Kamping_Kaiser should finish reading up first :|
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, you traveling? vics a funny place to find vk7s :)
[00:45] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Huh? & no not on the move!
[00:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, ah right. your hostmask says your in vic. perhaps its sloppy dns
[00:46] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Ahh that's bloody Telstra for ya! tassie head office is down town Melbourne!
[00:48] <Davedan>  Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[00:48] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Hey remember, "ALL" roads lead to Melbourne :P
[00:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, oh, nice touch.
[00:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, haha. enjoy your power outages ;p
[00:49]  * Kamping_Kaiser mutters about crazy victorians
[00:52] <Davedan> can I pass a value between two bash scripts?
[00:53] <lukehasnoname> |
[01:28] <steelcityjim> ok once i make edits on my web page how do i get it uploaded to my site?
[01:41] <steelcityjim> im starting to think this has to be edited before placing into the var/www file
[01:49] <tsrk> steelcityjim, just put your web page in /var/www
[01:59] <steelcityjim> how so tsrk?
[02:00] <steelcityjim> im noticing when the html file is in the var/www and its edited it creates multiple copies and never takes the edit correctly
[02:00] <steelcityjim> however if I edit in another directory it appears to work correctly
[02:09] <hads> Check your permissions
[02:11] <steelcityjim> how?
[02:15] <alienseer23> I have one machine serving my website to the internet with apache, the router points all ":80" traffic to this machine. It is machine "A". I want to be able to serve a subdomain (and other services) from another machine, "B", on my network. How do I map the location on B to A using virtual hosts?
[02:18] <alienseer23> I would like to be able to have service "X.php" running on machine "B" appear as a virtual host on "A" at location "http://serverA.com/X"
[02:34] <steelcityjim> how do I call out differnt jpeg photos in a html text editor, is it keyed by name?
[02:41] <[Drake]> ivok around?
[02:50] <[Drake]> on a software raid setup, is it adviseable to have swap partition on all or just 1 drive? (i have 4 drives)
[03:04] <[Drake]> i can't remember how to do this correctly
[03:04] <[Drake]> I know i need /boot on each drive as raid 1 or 0 and ahve it set bootable
[03:04] <[Drake]> but not sure how big to make the /boot partition or how big to make the /swap
[05:17] <JazzplayerL9> I have a server running ubuntu and I can ssh in just fine...but can't use sshfs at all.  I have fuse loaded and users added to the necessary groups.  I get Connection Reset by Peer every time.  What needs to get changed so it works?
[05:51] <lukehasnoname> Is there a PDF version of the Ubuntu Server Guide, or a way to export it to PDF?
[05:57] <rdw200169> lukehasnoname, i'm pretty sure there iss
[05:59] <Alysum> hello - I was wondering if you could recommend me an FTP server where I could add users in a separate file and not in /etc/passwd
[06:00] <Alysum> Ive been struggling with wftp and proftp
[06:06] <rdw200169> lukehasnoname, well, maybe not.  it used to be.  must be the problems associated w/xml + pdf...
[06:06] <rdw200169> lukehasnoname, (maybe they should have used LaTeX, heh heh)
[06:19] <VK7HSE> lukehasnoname: try  http://dl2.foss-id.web.id/dokumen/ubuntu/serverguide.pdf  However it's for 6.06LTS
[06:20] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, yeah, i was trying not to point him to something that was 2+ years old ;)
[06:20] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: True !!!
[06:21] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, i was working with the documentation team for a little while, but i got too lost in the XML; that and i was irritated i couldn't figure out how to get FOP working so i could get a PDF version.
[06:22] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: He it's out of my league !!! :-D
[06:22] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, yeah, me too.  that's why i still use LaTeX...
[06:23] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: Well I've only been messing with Linux for about 12 months now! and so far so good! but I still have soooo much more to learn...
[06:24] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, well, LaTeX and XML are not really related to Linux, even though that is where they seem to have the strongest presence
[06:25] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: Hmm.. well I'm messing with a backup program called Cedar Backup2 and you guessed it all the config is in XML !!! Gahh...
[06:26] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, yeah, gconf is the same way
[06:26] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: But one step at a time! I may make it! :-/
[06:27] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, there are a lot of fights in the linux world over XML... it's great for programmers, but awful for users
[06:27] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: I'm hearing ya !!
[06:27] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, many people swear that XML is easy to read; just as many people swear its impossible to understand
[06:28] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: my wife can be like that sometimes !!!
[09:05] <kraut> moin
[09:07] <tewmten> mogguh
[09:17] <owh> Mogguh - more like aaavnd.
[09:17] <owh> :)
[10:27] <Fruzen> help me
[10:27] <Fruzen> I dont have C Compiler
[10:27] <Fruzen> I cant ./configure
[10:27] <Fruzen> what I have to do !:S
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> install one
[10:27] <ivoks> apt-get install build-essential
[10:28] <Fruzen> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[10:28] <Fruzen> :S
[10:28] <ivoks> then you have bigger problems
[10:28] <ivoks> try running apt-get update first
[10:30] <Fruzen> ....
[10:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, hey mate
[10:44] <ikonia> Fruzen: you where told what do to in #ubuntu in detail
[11:16] <Fruzen> ikonia
[11:17] <ikonia> Fruzen: yes
[11:17] <Fruzen>  but I need to download the C Compiler
[11:17] <ikonia> Fruzen: you don't
[11:17] <ikonia> Fruzen: what part is not being made clear to you
[11:17] <Fruzen> is that If i downloaded a new software
[11:17] <ikonia> no
[11:17] <Fruzen> I will not use the ./configure
[11:17] <ikonia> no
[11:18] <ikonia> As you have been informed in all the other channels you've asked
[11:18] <ikonia> 1.) open your package manager (synapic/aptitude/apt-get) what ever one you like
[11:18] <ikonia> 2.) search for the phrase "ircd"
[11:18] <ikonia> 3.) this gives you a list of irc daemons that can be used
[11:18] <ikonia> 4.) using the package manager selet one and install it
[11:19] <ikonia> 5.) set it up and use it
[11:19] <ikonia> 6. enjoy
[11:19] <ikonia> Fruzen: is there something in that list / process I'm not making clear to you ?
[11:19] <Fruzen> how to open the package manager
[11:19] <Fruzen> I use SSH
[11:20] <ikonia> Fruzen: so use the "apt-get" and "apt-cache" commands to install and search
[11:20] <ikonia> eg: apt-cache search ircd
[11:20] <ikonia> Fruzen: please show me the output of "uname -a" from your ssh terminal session
[11:21] <ikonia> Fruzen: do you know how to do that ?
[11:21] <ikonia> you seem to stop talking and join another channel every time you get asked for that information
[11:23] <ikonia> Fruzen: hello ?
[11:23] <ikonia> ok so same behaviour again as other channels
[11:24] <ivoks> ikonia: you are dirty hacker that will steal his private data
[11:24] <ikonia> ivoks: obviously
[11:27] <ikonia> Fruzen: ubuntu 6.10 is not supported and End of life, as you are using a modified version of ubuntu that is provided by your hosting provider in a VPS - I suggest you contact them for support
[11:49] <dmacnutt> hm
[14:13] <lukehasnoname> ikonia: but Edgy was the best there ever was
[14:20] <dmacnutt> any able to explain to me why one would add "tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,ro 0 0" to /etc/fstab?
[14:22] <Jeeves__> dmacnutt: To create /dev/shm?
[14:22] <soren> /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh should do that.
[14:23] <soren> dmacnutt: No. For several reasons.
[14:23] <dmacnutt> I'm finding it on a machine i'm looking to duplicate , and I don't see it in the defaults on my new 8.04 server. And I don't want to add it just "Well golly gee it's in the old one why not the new?"
[14:23] <dmacnutt> I want to know it's purpose
[14:24] <soren> dmacnutt: a) /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh does it for you already.
[14:24] <soren> dmacnutt: b) "defaults,ro" is very odd:
[14:24] <soren> For one, it's the same as "ro".
[14:24] <soren> And b) what's the point of mounting a tmpfs read-only? that's rather useless.
[14:25] <soren> dmacnutt: I like your thinking, though. Most people would just have copied it.
[14:26] <soren> dmacnutt: I can't think of a single reason why you'd put that there. Is it a very old system?
[14:26] <dmacnutt> it's likely a previous lts upgrade
[14:27] <dmacnutt> but I inherited it so my information is sketchy
[14:27] <soren> dmacnutt: I would leave it out and not worry about it anymore.
[14:27] <dmacnutt> leaning that way as well
[14:28] <dmacnutt> see who complains :)
[14:29] <soren> It might be the way it was done before mountdevsbfs did it. I'm not sure when that started.
[14:37] <dmacnutt> soren: thank you, for your time
[14:37] <soren> dmacnutt: Sure thing.
[15:24] <Sylphid|work> is anyone aware of any network asset tracking database / diagramming FOSS?
[15:30] <mark> we are working on some
[15:30] <mark> as a mediawiki extension
[15:30] <mark> but it's not anywhere near production ready
[15:32] <Sylphid|work> mark, whats it called?
[15:32] <mark> "DataCenter"
[15:32] <mark> it's asset tracking and datacenter management, not diagramming
[15:33] <mark> it's a bit like racktables, if you know it
[15:34] <Sylphid|work> yea im familiar with racktables
[15:34] <Sylphid|work> does DataCenter support vlan tracking?
[15:34] <mark> not yet
[15:34] <mark> what would you like to see?
[15:36] <Sylphid|work> a vlan membership table would be sufficient however it would be cool to have image maps with ports that light up when vlans that they are a member of are light up
[15:36] <mark> might be nice at a later stage
[15:37] <Sylphid|work> also vlan trunking would be important
[15:38] <mark> but the network side of things is not the main focus for us now... except for physical connections like (fiber patches) / cables
[15:39] <Sylphid|work> so its primarily an asset tracker then
[15:39] <mark> primarily for physical data center management
[15:40] <mark> what device goes where etc
[15:40] <mark> which ties in with asset tracking, yes
[15:43] <Sylphid|work> thanks for the info mark ill have to keep my eye on it
[15:57] <incorrect> is there a video conferencing server for linux?
[16:05] <ivoks> yay for HP
[16:27] <_16aR_> Hello
[16:27] <_16aR_> is it normal that I can't remove/purge mysql-server-5.0 ?
[16:27] <_16aR_> I got the debconf wndow to create a new password for administrator
[16:29] <_16aR_> on a 8.04 ubuntu
[19:16] <Voltron> I want to turn my ubuntu desktop edition into server edition. how can I quickly remove all the GUI dependent applications (firefox, etc)
[19:16] <Voltron> ?
[19:17] <Voltron> !pureserver
[19:17] <Voltron> !nodesktop
[19:51] <ivoks> 172 people in #ubuntu-server?
[19:52] <ivoks> did we had a release i didn't know about? :)
[19:56] <sommer> ivoks: not that I know of, but sometimes things get past me, heh
[19:56] <ivoks> hehe
[19:57] <ivoks> anyone interested in uploading something for me in main? :)
[20:09] <ivoks> anyone? it's a 70 lines long diff, bugfixes for dovecot-postfix?
[20:09] <sommer> i would but...
[20:10] <ivoks> :)
[20:10] <ivoks> but you don't have rw on main? :)
[20:10] <sommer> yep, that would be the issue :)
[20:10] <ivoks> ScottK has rw on main :)
[20:23] <ajmitch> ivoks: 172 people, ~150 or so are lurking :)
[20:24] <ivoks> ajmitch: probably yes - still, 3 years ago 7 people, ~5 lurking :)
[20:25] <ivoks> wow... ubuntu 9.10 will be 5 years of ubuntu
[20:25] <ivoks> time really goes fast
[20:25] <ajmitch> yeah, it does
[20:33] <ivoks> it's time to apply for core-dev :)
[20:36] <ajmitch> ivoks: got stuff to upload? :)
[20:36] <ivoks> small patch for dovecot :)
[20:36] <ivoks> interested? :)
[20:37] <ivoks> really a minor stuff, just typos (~70 lines)
[20:37] <ajmitch> if you want
[20:37]  * ajmitch just needs to update the jaunty pbuilder first
[20:37] <ajmitch> at least dovecot is something I use at work, just not with postfix :)
[20:37] <jmedina> ivoks: i'd like to test dovecot, but need to runint in hardy
[20:38] <ivoks> ajmitch: exim?
[20:38] <ajmitch> yeah
[20:38] <jmedina> ivoks: especifically the sieve management
[20:38] <ajmitch> but on lenny for work, dovecot+exim on intrepid for home
[20:39] <ivoks> i gave up on exim... um... 5-6 years ago
[20:39] <ajmitch> I don't find it too bad for what I need
[20:39] <ivoks> jmedina: well, you can
[20:39] <ajmitch> partly because it'd take a bit of time to learn something else
[20:39] <ivoks> jmedina: take a look at what we have done in intrepid
[20:39] <ivoks> ajmitch: postfix is really a no-brainer
[20:40] <ivoks> and lamont does a great job with packaging
[20:40] <jmedina> ivoks: could you plase give me a rapid summary about dovecot integration in intrepid?
[20:40] <ajmitch> yeah, I may take a look at it in the future if I have time
[20:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: patch is http://www.init.hr/dev/dovecot-postfix.2.patch
[20:41] <ivoks> jmedina: we've added postfix/dovecot sasl integration, cmusieve scripting, dovecot-lda as delivery agent
[20:41] <ivoks> jmedina: um... TLS bu default and maildir by default
[20:42] <ajmitch> ivoks: ok, won't take long
[20:42] <ivoks> jmedina: and sievemanage service in dovecot for customizing scripts on server from your client
[20:42] <jmedina> ivoks: cmusieve is for manual scripts?
[20:42] <ivoks> ajmitch: great, thank you!
[20:42] <ivoks> jmedina: cmusieve is sieve general sieve support in dovecot
[20:42] <ivoks> jmedina: sievemanage is just a imap service that enables editing of sieve scripts from client
[20:43] <ivoks> s/sieve general sieve/general sieve/ :D
[20:43] <jmedina> ivoks: I like sievemanage, because it validates the sieve script (afaik)
[20:43] <ivoks> that's true
[20:43] <jmedina> with cmusieve, you need to be sure that the script is valid, it not, then your ruls wont work
[20:44] <ivoks> that's manual editing of scripts
[20:44] <ivoks> sievemanage doesn't deny or forbbid that...
[20:44] <ivoks> it's just additional interface to writing sieve scripts
[20:44] <jmedina> so, I want to test managesieve with the squirrelmail plugin and also with Horde's ingo
[20:45] <ivoks> very powerful, true, but it doesn't replace cmusieve (it's based on top of it)
[20:45] <ivoks> jmedina: i'm attracted to roundcube's sieve support
[20:45] <ivoks> i've tested it only with thunderbird
[20:45] <jmedina> ivoks: thunderbird sieve support?
[20:45] <jmedina> I didnt know
[20:45] <ivoks> yes
[20:46] <ivoks> there's a plugin
[20:46] <ivoks> http://sieve.mozdev.org/
[20:46] <jmedina> ivoks: dont you have a demo/testing server ?
[20:46] <jmedina> :D
[20:46] <ivoks> :)
[20:47] <ivoks> create a virtualized jaunty server
[20:47] <ivoks> and install dovecot-postfix package
[20:47] <ivoks> and... that's it :D
[20:48] <ivoks> it has couple of minor errors the moment, but once ajmitch uploads new version, those errors will vanish
[20:49] <jmedina> is there any change to work in a hardy backport?
[20:49] <jmedina> I can help
[20:49]  * ajmitch is currently waiting for a test build to finish
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: there's no need to backport
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: dovecot-postfix only manages configuration
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: there's no binary in it
[20:50] <jmedina> but hardy's dovecot doesnt include managesieve
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: psssst... there's a bug in managesieve in hardy... kees is looking for volonters to test it :)
[20:51] <ivoks> it doesn't?
[20:51] <ivoks> hm... you are right
[20:51] <jmedina> that is what I was 'backporting' from intrepid
[20:52] <jmedina> well, I just changed something in control and rule files
[20:52] <jmedina> and rebuild with dpkg-package
[20:57] <ivoks> sommer: watching arsenal? :)
[21:01] <sommer> ivoks: hee, yeppers
[21:01] <sommer> good to have eduardo back :)
[21:01] <ivoks> sommer: dudu has returned :)
[21:01] <sommer> ivoks: absolutely
[21:02] <ivoks> sommer: he was missed in our nation team as well
[21:02] <sommer> ivoks: he's got crazy skillz, heh
[21:04] <sommer> ivoks: they need another goal and I'll be happy
[21:07] <ivoks_> hehe
[21:07] <sommer> \o/ yay!
[21:07] <ivoks_> eduardo:world 2:0 :)
[21:08] <sommer> that's so awesome!
[21:08] <ivoks_> if anyone deserves it, it's eduardo; he's just a great guy
[21:09] <sommer> definitely... hopefully he can help rescue what's left of the season :)
[21:11] <ajmitch> ivoks_: can you check debian/rules on dovecot, arch: all packages aren't getting built
[21:11] <ivoks_> huh
[21:11] <ivoks_> i tested it...
[21:11] <ajmitch> binary-indep: build install # nothing to do here
[21:12] <ivoks_> well it runs build and then install
[21:12] <ivoks_> and then nothing else
[21:12] <ivoks_> that should be ok
[21:13] <ajmitch> and the only calls to dh_builddeb, etc have -a
[21:15] <ivoks_> hm...
[21:17] <ivoks_> doh...
[21:17] <ivoks_> you are right
[21:17] <ajmitch> yeah, I thought I was a bit rusty but I got a little suspicious when there was 1 less package built with -0ubuntu2
[21:18] <ivoks_> :)
[21:24] <ivoks> ajmitch: i'll create a new patch then
[21:24] <ajmitch> great :)
[21:27] <ivoks> -i ivoks -i :)
[21:35] <jmedina> good, I just read about canonical and HP parnership
[21:35] <jmedina> I guess HP will only support LTS
[21:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: www.init.hr/dev/dovecot-postfix.debdiff
[21:41] <ajmitch> not the cleanest way of doing it :)
[21:42] <ivoks> no?
[21:42] <ajmitch> binary-indep rule is there for a reason, most packages have similar stuff to binary-arch, but with -i
[21:43] <ajmitch> similar, but the minimum required to build the arch:all package in that rule
[21:43] <ajmitch> it's mostly due to how arch: all packages are built on the buildds, only i386 does the binary-indep rule iirc
[21:45] <ivoks> well, dovecot-postfix is binary indep package
[21:46] <ivoks> i should grab a source with arch: all package and look at it
[21:48] <ivoks> ah... i see
[21:48] <ivoks> i'll do that tomorrow, it's 11PM :/
[21:48] <ivoks> ajmitch: thanks for help
[21:49] <ajmitch> no problem
[22:56] <ScottK> leonel: I got the php-clamavlib figured out for Dapper, so I think we're about ready.
[23:21] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[23:21] <SpaceBass> I understand webmin is considered to be insecure to the point of being dangerious... is there a simple web admin console that people like these days?
[23:22] <jmedina> SpaceBass: it depends what you want to manage
[23:23] <domas> landscape!!!!
[23:23] <ScottK> !ebox > SpaceBass
[23:23] <SpaceBass> thanks
[23:23] <SpaceBass> just looking for a place to see simple stats... drive space, uptime, etc... maybe manage some things....
[23:26] <SpaceBass> ScottK any security concerns with ebox? ... box is not publicly accessible
[23:26]  * ScottK doesn't use it, so no idea.
[23:26] <ScottK> That's just the one that's generally recommended here.
[23:26] <SpaceBass> thanks
[23:27] <SpaceBass> no stranger to bash... but there are times when I'd love to just check disk space, etc from an iphone
[23:28] <leonel> scottK  how ?
[23:29] <ScottK> It turned out not to be very hard.  It just needed some postinst fiddling to backport the change we already had from Hardy.
[23:29] <ScottK> SpaceBass: Get an ssh app for your iPhone.
[23:29] <SpaceBass> ScottK got one :D
[23:30] <SpaceBass> and it works fine... just a though today about webmin and thought I'd ask
[23:32] <leonel> scottK so no  diff or php code searching ..
[23:32] <ScottK> Yep.
[23:32] <jmedina> ivoks, are you there?
[23:32] <leonel> so any tests you need  ??
[23:32] <jmedina> @ping ivoks
[23:32] <leonel> scottK ?
[23:32] <jmedina> ¬¬
[23:33] <ScottK> leonel: I think we're in pretty good shape right now.  I need to do something with the sylpheed-claws packages and that's about it.
[23:34] <MianoSM> SpaceBass: webmin is still working in 8.10 isn't it? (unsupported as it is)?
[23:35] <SpaceBass> MianoSM, I did some research this morning, and yeah i think it is
[23:36] <SpaceBass> but I understand there are some serious flaws
[23:36] <MianoSM> I have it up and running perfectly fine on an 8.10 32bit.
[23:36] <MianoSM> If you are running a LAMP, it works just fine. I would be wary of some of the oddities though (like you need to work a little more with ssh to configure your apache install instead of just apache2.conf or httpd.conf).
[23:46] <kansan> is there a way to debug why cron seems to not be working?  or executing my commands?
[23:46] <MianoSM> Do you have it sending standard out and standard error to /dev/null ?
[23:47] <MianoSM> for instance: /home/username/script.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 ?
[23:50] <MianoSM> Or you could grep your syslog for cron/script/etc?