[06:55] <flocculant> Unit193: before I do this later - doublechecking you mean -settings in the daily ppa?
[08:12] <Unit193> flocculant: No, yakkety proper.
[11:01] <flocculant> Unit193: okey doke
[16:12] <pleia2> knome: we should send an email to ack and thank folks for their #lovexubuntu story submissions
[16:13] <pleia2> I can do it, just wanted to make sure we're coordinated about it
[16:13] <pleia2> also, share it all the places again
[16:15] <pleia2> knome: I also figure we can retweet most of the #lovexubuntu hashtag posts even if they aren't strictly stories or images, we want to encourage use of the hashtag regardless :)
[20:13] <pleia2> http://opensourcewriter.com/xubuntu-xfce-celebrate-milestones/ :)
[22:59] <Unit193> ochosi: You ever jump to 3.20?
[22:59] <ochosi> no, i haven't had time to fix my PPA yet
[23:00] <ochosi> the upload went fine (previously signed with the wrong key)
[23:00] <ochosi> but somehow i seemingly managed to break the debian/rules file
[23:00] <ochosi> which seems odd cause i changed so little
[23:02] <ochosi> (basically just wanted to disable wayland and mir support)
[23:03] <ochosi> (not even sure debian/rules is the right way to do that9
[23:04] <ochosi> if you wanna take a stab at it go ahead though
[23:04] <ochosi> using Laney's PPA for yakkety as basis should make it easy
[23:08] <Unit193> ochosi: Did you look at the build log?
[23:08] <ochosi> almost not
[23:09] <ochosi> which means i saw some error in debian/rules and then i had to pack my stuff and leave
[23:09] <ochosi> why? did i miss all the fun?
[23:10] <Unit193> Yeah, the only thing that "went wrong" is symbols disappeared, which is pretty darn expected.  So all you have to do is (basically!)  sed -e /mir/d -e /wayland/d debian/libgtk-3-0.symbols -i  and rebuild. :P
[23:12] <Unit193> Though not sure why you need to actually disable mir and wayland backends, just different SONAMES in Xenial.  What I'm saying is, you're basically done, just a little more and you'll be entirely good.
[23:12] <ochosi> yeah, i considered to just lower the versions of both
[23:13] <ochosi> but since we don't need them anyway for xfce i felt why even bother
[23:13] <ochosi> anyway, rebuilding now
[23:14] <ochosi> we'll see whether lp likes it this time
[23:14] <ochosi> meh, and incredibly slow uplink here :'(
[23:31] <ochosi> how annoying, uplink is so slow and now i'm doing it the third time already because lp rejected it claiming that was already such a package in the PPA (even after deleting it, i presume it takes too long)
[23:41] <ochosi> Unit193: ok, i won't wait until the build is done (i'll check tomorrow), thanks for your help! https://launchpad.net/~ochosi/+archive/ubuntu/gtk320-xenial/+builds?build_state=building
[23:41] <Unit193> Sure, good luck. :P
[23:42] <Unit193> Missing build dependencies: libwayland-dev (>= 1.9.91
[23:42] <ochosi> :'(
[23:42] <ochosi> i guess i overlooked something
[23:42] <Unit193> It's stuck in depwait.
[23:42] <Unit193> d/control: Build-depends.
[23:42] <ochosi> oddly enough i had fixed that before
[23:42] <ochosi> no idea how that snuck in again
[23:44] <ochosi> i guess now i would have to delete package again and then it would again complain that there are still some binaries
[23:44] <ochosi> i'll try to upload again tomorro
[23:44] <Unit193> You don't have to delete, just as always bump ver.
[23:44] <ochosi> w
[23:44] <ochosi> yeah
[23:44] <ochosi> could do that too
[23:45] <Unit193> Otherwise it'll complain.
[23:45] <ochosi> right


[00:46] <darkxst> jbicha, how long do packages in the new queue usually take? i.e. mozjs17
[00:48] <jbicha> darkxst: if it were a sync from Debian it would probably get approved in 1 business day, unfortunately Debian's new queue is even further backed up: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[00:50] <jbicha> unless an archive admin sees it as important, they may not get to it for several more weeks (since there's plenty of time left this cycle)
[00:51] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members
[00:51] <darkxst> oh wow! just a little backlog
[01:52] <jbicha> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/casper/saucy/view/head:/scripts/casper-bottom/22desktop_settings
[01:53] <jbicha> I found a little regression around line 29, the screen auto-locks in the live cd because we don't ship gnome-screensaver any more
[02:06] <jbicha> there, that's better
[02:16] <darkxst> jbicha, there is a left over "|| panel_version="" in your patch
[02:17] <darkxst> probably should be schemas_version
[02:20] <jbicha> darkxst: thanks, this is why I shouldn't rename stuff especially on something like casper that's a huge pain to test
[02:20] <jbicha> but it also felt wrong to keep it as panel_version
[02:25] <darkxst> yeh agreed
[02:26] <jbicha> did you know that usb-creator and ubiquity use the same icon in Ubuntu? I had no idea
[02:27] <darkxst> no hadnt noticed that
[02:29] <jbicha> I wonder if it would be ok to have ubiquity-frontend-gtk depend on usb-creator-gtk
[02:30] <jbicha> I see though that xubuntu doesn't ship usb-creator, hmm
[02:30] <darkxst> oh that is why ubiquity has no icon?
[02:31] <jbicha> no, the icons were named separately
[02:31] <jbicha> I figured out the fix but I want to fix ubiquity's hicolor icons at the same time (to use the nicer Humanity ones)
[02:33] <jbicha> I don't think the fix will make Alpha1 since it would be better to rearrange stuff later
[02:35] <jbicha> on second thought, maybe it doesn't need rearranging
[03:02] <roasted> is anybody having lock up issues like described here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1188774
[03:30] <darkxst> roasted, no, I havent seen that, but doesnt look gnome related, you might get more help elsewhere, #ubuntu or perhaps #ubuntu-x
[10:30] <roasted> darkxst: I don't believe it is gnome related. I'm just grasping for ideas because it's becoming increasingly difficult to use ubuntu-anything with having four daily lockups. just wanted to ask around to see if anybody else out there might be facing the same thing. thanks. :-)
[10:39] <darkxst> roasted, can you switch to a VT when the lockups occur?
[10:39] <darkxst> (ctl+alt+F1)
[11:56] <roasted> darkxst: no
[11:56] <roasted> darkxst: when I lock up, it's a 100% lock up
[11:56] <roasted> my sound stops and begins repeating the last .5 seconds continuously, keys don't work, no key combos take affect, there's absolutely zero functionality from the computer when it hard locks.
[11:56] <roasted> My one and only alternative is to power it off by holding the power button, then restart.
[11:57] <roasted> I understand that vsync was enabled by default in the 3.8 kernel for sandy bridge processors. I'm unsure if this is it, but from what I've heard it's the only major change for these IGP's on 3.8
[12:03] <jbicha> roasted: what version of gnome-shell are you using?
[12:04] <roasted> jbicha: 3.8.3. using gnome3 and gnome3-staging.
[12:04] <roasted> jbicha: it's not a Gnome Shell issue. It's just my distro of choice these days. I'm just trying to ask around and get ideas on what I can do, is all.
[12:08] <roasted> The best chance I have of fixing this issue is to upgrade kernels, but by upgrading kernels, I lose broadcom sta support. And I cannot switch out the sta wifi card because lenovo is terrible and hardlocks due to unsigned hardware.
[12:36] <camelinahat> jbicha, darkxst any comments or edits before I send it out? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5798383/
[12:39] <jbicha> camelinahat: that's not quite the right test page, you probably want to wait until later today
[12:39] <jbicha> see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker there will be one for Saucy Alpha 1
[12:41] <camelinahat> jbicha, Oh my bad, I thought we were looking to test the images prior to the Alpha 1 release.
[12:42] <jbicha> no we do, but there will be a milestone just for Alpha 1 testing
[12:43] <jbicha> people are free to test the daily image as they are the closest we have so far to the Alpha but if you're going to send an email today I figure you should use the more specific link when it's posted
[12:45] <jbicha> it might have been done yesterday except it was a holiday in Quebec
[12:48] <camelinahat> No holiday here in Nova Scotia :( But yeah if there's a milestone coming later today for Alpha 1 (I thought it wouldn't be until the 27th) then I'll wait for that one :)
[16:26] <camelinahat> I see Alpha 1 linked but no builds in there yet ;)
[16:35] <jbicha> camelinahat: done
[16:36] <camelinahat> Yay!
[17:01] <jbicha> I think I'm going to do a rebuild later today to get the latest version of libsignon-glib that doesn't depend on signond
[17:04] <jbicha> hmm, it's shipped by most of the flavors though
[20:39] <qubit01> bjsnider, want to hear a joke ?
[20:39] <qubit01> well, anyone
[20:45] <qubit01> bjsnider, I would tell you a UDP joke, but you probably wouldn't get it.
[20:45] <qubit01> haHA!
[21:02] <bjsnider> probably not
[21:26] <qubit01> thats the joke, cause UDP is not a reliable transport protocol :P
[21:26] <qubit01> you wouldnt get it, because UDP has no guarantee it will show up
[21:47] <Amin> hello
[21:47] <Amin> i upgraded ubuntu 13.04
[21:48] <Amin> to raring that is and I installed gnome shell from the ubuntu software center but i somehow have a very messed up situation
[21:49] <Amin> I cant control my online accounts i have three online accounts icons in my dash the systems messed up
[21:49] <Amin> what to do
[21:49] <Amin> ?
[21:50] <Amin> ?
[21:50] <Amin> no one here?
[22:33] <qubit01> no


[17:10] <ikonia> hello Empyrium
[17:14] <hggdh> Empyrium: do you have a question for us?
[18:41] <hggdh> sigh
[18:42] <hggdh> @login
[18:44] <hggdh> @login
[18:45] <hggdh> heh. I guess we will need a temp ban
[18:46] <hggdh> @login
[18:46] <hggdh> @btlogin
[18:48] <hggdh> not the first time Empyrium does that
[23:57] <bazhang> @random apple apple emacs apple
[23:57] <bazhang> phew
[23:57] <bazhang> the bot has been cleansed
[23:58] <k1l> i bet it uses the debian random variable :)
[23:58] <bazhang> ohno!
[23:58] <bazhang> I suspect C H U is secretly working for debain
[23:59] <bazhang> gesundheit ubottu


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[02:25] <xubuntu888> while i'm waiting for xu to install... anyone know a repo i could plug in with nvidia's latest drivers
[02:26] <xubuntu888> could put them in manually, but a managed package would be nice
[05:40] <Balsaq> xubuntu 10.04 wont update and crashes...just stops. forced me to power off and then the computer would not run after that...just booted to the same crashed update screen.
[05:41] <Balsaq> had to delete the partiton and reinstall...happened again, tried ubuntu 10.04 same.
[10:04] <sb> hi
[10:05] <sb> you people are homosexuals
[10:05] <sb> hahaha
[10:05] <sb> lol
[10:05] <sb> i am stupid
[10:06] <Sysi> do you think he was looking for company?
[10:07] <Balsaq> yo sysi
[10:08] <Sysi> hi Balsaq
[10:08] <Sysi> one other guy talked also about that update failing
[10:08] <Sysi> you used update-manager?
[10:09] <Balsaq> yeah i have since read a lot of things...i think i know wut happened
[10:09] <Balsaq> i did update mgr and sudo
[10:09] <Balsaq> it crashed both ways
[10:09] <Balsaq> its a mem leak issue
[10:09] <Balsaq> my system monitor peaks
[10:09] <Balsaq> they messed up
[10:10] <Balsaq> all the 512 ram aint enough
[10:10] <Balsaq> yet in my 1 gig machines and my new 6 gig machine...buntu 10004 runs good
[10:10] <Balsaq> 10.04 i mean
[10:11] <Balsaq> got a feelin if i go pop another half gig in there my problem is solved....or if i increase my swap partition.
[10:12] <Balsaq> many others in blogs all over are compaing about how it slows to a crawl and then stops
[10:12] <Balsaq> but i finally found an article published in april about this memory leak issue
[10:13] <Balsaq> i think they put out the new distro before it was fixed
[10:14] <Balsaq> but i could be wrong who knows
[10:16] <Balsaq> just not inthe mood to deal wit hit right now, all my other computers are running fine
[10:19] <Balsaq> Sysi, do u think my best guess has any chance of being correct?
[10:19] <Balsaq> knowing i am a certified non tech?
[10:20] <Sysi> it could well be that memory leakage
[10:20] <Balsaq> and honestly i dont even know what that means....leak? or does it just mean its a mem hog?
[10:21] <Balsaq> even on my 1 gig machine it gets slow sometimes all the sudden,,,then it runs fast again.
[10:22] <Sysi> it uses memory and don't give up of it
[10:22] <Sysi> it should free it after usage, when not needed anymore
[10:22] <Balsaq> oh i see
[10:24] <Balsaq> they knew about it in april
[10:25] <Balsaq> acording to what ive read
[10:26] <Sysi> i used lucid with 512 succesfully.. i could test what update had done that
[10:26] <Sysi> maybe it's because i use aptitude
[10:26] <Sysi> always succesfull updating after install
[10:27] <Balsaq> isnt that the same as sudo apt-get update?
[10:27] <Balsaq> cos i tried that
[10:28] <Sysi> almost, hum
[10:28] <Balsaq> well maybe aptitude is better?
[10:28] <Balsaq> expalin that way?
[10:28] <Balsaq> explain*
[10:30] <Sysi> i've also used apt-get, can't remember exactly
[10:31] <Sysi> atm i have 10.10 in low-end box
[10:31] <Balsaq> hmm
[10:31] <Balsaq> how is 1010
[10:32] <Sysi> alpha ofc unstable, new software and a bit faster than lucid
[10:34] <Balsaq> hmmm i would even be ok with unstable if it would run on 512 and update
[10:34] <Balsaq> how much ram do u have?
[10:34] <Sysi> 512 in that
[10:35] <Balsaq> ur running 512?
[10:35] <Sysi> had to do netinstall, any other didn't boot from usb
[10:35] <Balsaq> i was thinking maybe 101 doesnt have the mem leak thing
[10:35] <Balsaq> 10.10*
[10:36] <Balsaq> when you say unstable what happened that made you say unstable..crashes?
[10:37] <Sysi> rhythmbox didn't work
[10:37] <Balsaq> does it work now?
[10:37] <Sysi> there's a bug that causes xfce4-terminal to use 100% cpu
[10:37] <Balsaq> ahhh same thing i saw in 1004
[10:37] <Balsaq> i saw it peakin like that
[10:38] <Balsaq> i mean we put a man on the moon in 1960? why cant they build a distro without that?
[10:38] <Balsaq> think about that?
[10:40] <Balsaq> see during my update it started out ok...then that black and white terminal style screen appears on its own and BAM it peaks
[10:40] <Balsaq> soon after that is stops
[10:40] <Balsaq> so i still tried the terminal update method but it still stopped after awhile
[10:55] <slow-motion> hi
[11:03] <UbuXubu> Sysi, are you still on
[11:04] <Sysi> mostly present
[11:05] <UbuXubu> its me i just decided to run downstairs to the lab and jump on my 1 gig dedicated ubuntu 10.04 machine and install xchat
[11:06] <UbuXubu> the lil buggar with only 512 is next too me running another me test now
[11:07] <UbuXubu> says pass complete, no errors, press exit to exit....but still lokks like the test is running. either way keeps passing everything.
[11:07] <UbuXubu> pres esc to exit i meant...
[11:08] <UbuXubu> so i still think its just the 512 thing vs the cpu max bug thing or ram leak think
[11:08] <UbuXubu> cos this dedicated machine here,,,using the 10.04 is fine
[11:08] <UbuXubu> on 1 gig
[11:08] <UbuXubu> same 2.4 cpu
[11:08] <UbuXubu> but i added an extra half gig of ram awhile ago
[11:10] <UbuXubu> so i guess ill just have to use some other lightweight linux distro for this half gig machine next too me i guess...might be fun to try something new i guess.
[11:11] <UbuXubu> i saw lxde the other day, looks pretty good, basic but good and there was a lot of people in their chat room...maybe it will run good on half a gig.
[11:15] <UbuXubu> my update mgr says this one is all up to date...whew good.
[11:16] <UbuXubu> but when i use the fancy nvidia driver they told me to use...it made my desktop look funny, stretched? so i went back tot he gnome driver and my destop looks perfect? but videos dont play very clear?  gotta love buntu!
[11:18] <UbuXubu> i must say if they ever really perfect buntu...this 10.04 looks really great, i used their desktop with a simple drinking glass on it and one drop of water suspened in mid air and it looks really professional!
[11:20] <UbuXubu> why cant the gnome drivers play online videos on full screen mode?
[11:21] <UbuXubu> is it rocket science? geez i have a 10 year old windows 2000 computer here that plays them perfect?......am i askin too much hehe....tired i guess.
[11:22] <Sysi> flash videos?
[11:22] <Sysi> flash don't like linux very much
[11:23] <Sysi> compiz messes something up causing problems
[11:23] <UbuXubu> i  dont know what they are but i tried hulu vids...they look good until i put it in full screen mode
[11:23] <Sysi> flash
[11:23] <UbuXubu> im not even using compiz to my knowledge
[11:24] <UbuXubu> well idid install flash yes....can i try something else?
[11:25] <UbuXubu> when i went to youtube it wouldnt ever run unless i installed flash...should i have installed something else instead?
[11:25] <UbuXubu> i am game for all gnome drivers if they work!
[11:26] <Sysi> what an earth is gnome driver
[11:26] <Sysi> performace isn't very great with open drivers
[11:26] <knome> Sysi, think: gnome libraries, but that doesn't really relate much here
[11:26] <Sysi> closed drivers.. when you have problem, we can't help
[11:27] <Sysi> knome: i don't quite get it, but maybe i don't need to
[11:27] <UbuXubu> well, i mean when i installed it told me use a certain nvidia 96 driver, so i did bu tthe screen looked all stretched....so i went back tothe regular open source driver and my ddesktop looks perfect
[11:27] <knome> Sysi, no... i don't think you need.
[11:27] <knome> i think i need to switch my GC back to the one i had earlier. this one is giving me headache.
[11:28] <Sysi> UbuXubu: did you even try nvidia settings manager?
[11:28] <Sysi> it's in menu
[11:28] <UbuXubu> hmmm no
[11:28] <UbuXubu> missed that?
[11:29] <UbuXubu> but in was worried when i read that if i used closed drivers ubuntu ppl cant help
[11:29] <knome> the nvidia settings manager is very powerful tool, and you can really achieve what you want tith it
[11:29] <Sysi> UbuXubu: we can a little
[11:29] <UbuXubu> hmmmm where is this nvidia manager?
[11:29] <knome> UbuXubu, we still can help you with adjusting the settings, but not fixing the bugs in the software/drivers
[11:29] <Sysi> UbuXubu: it can be used only with restricted driver
[11:30] <UbuXubu> i can reinstall the nvidia driver i just didnt see the nvidia manager setting thing
[11:30] <Sysi> it's under System or Settings
[11:30] <UbuXubu> was it in one of the ubuntu drop down menus?
[11:30] <Sysi> in menu
[11:30] <UbuXubu> ok hmmm
[11:30] <UbuXubu> bummer
[11:30] <UbuXubu> i uninstalled it
[11:30] <UbuXubu> oh well here goes?
[11:31] <UbuXubu> its ok to install again right?
[11:31] <UbuXubu> in out in out?
[11:33] <UbuXubu> installing the recommended nvidia driver as we speak...
[11:33] <UbuXubu> it will eventually make me restart but ill come back...
[11:34] <UbuXubu> always hangs on the darn install but installs
[11:35] <UbuXubu> ok willrestart now see ya in a minute i wanna try that nvidia manager thing
[11:38] <UbuXubu> ok lets see if i can find this nvidia manager...
[11:39] <UbuXubu> Sysi, do u mean the nvidia x server setting?
[11:39] <Sysi> that
[11:39] <UbuXubu> cos i did try that before but i dont see how i am suposed to use it...hmmm will look more closely
[11:41] <UbuXubu> i mean it is set automatically as far as far a s i can see..it know my exact model of monitor and the exact pixel resolution...so what am i supposed to do?
[11:45] <UbuXubu> lots of thing to mess with in here but i dont understand any of them hehe...if it know my exact model and is set to auto configure...shouldnt me desktop NOT be stretched?
[11:50] <UbuXubu> hmmm maybe i fixed it
[11:51] <UbuXubu> guess il try to  watch a vide o now
[11:53] <UbuXubu> hmm its better
[11:53] <UbuXubu> good one Sysi!
[11:54] <UbuXubu> but the people are still a lil bit slow on their movement in the videos but still better
[11:54] <UbuXubu> i suppose if i figure out all of the 1o million adjustments in there i can fix it entirely.
[14:23] <UbuXubu> sysi u still in here
[14:24] <Sysi> don't ask, i'm not only person in entire internet
[14:35] <riz__> hello
[14:35] <riz__> is there someone who can help me with a trouble with my eeepc & xubuntu?
[14:36] <Sysi> !help
[14:36] <riz__> !help
[14:36] <bazhang> riz__, ask a question
[14:40] <riz__> I'm trying to use Xubuntu on a eeePc, I've tried 4-5 different releases but cannot solve my problem: the system is incredibly slow, cpu works always a lot, also the ram... also scrolling the firefox pages is a pain in the ass! how can I solve this?
[14:41] <charlie-tca> How much ram do you have?
[14:43] <riz__> the eeepc model is 1101ha, 1gb ram, 2.8gb of swap, now, with FF and irc client open the ram is at 22%, the cpu1 is on 82%, the cpu2 floats from 60 to 100%
[14:45] <Sysi> use "top" to see what's using resources
[14:45] <Sysi> flash webpages need lots of power
[14:47] <riz__> is it possible that is so slow that cannot see a youtube video normally? with winXp they works normally :P
[14:47] <riz__> right now 61mb for FF, 10mb for irc chat
[14:47] <riz__> and the system monitor keeps 32% of cpu
[14:50] <riz__> and cannot find any "drivers" that can help to improve performances :P
[14:52] <bazhang> using compiz?
[14:52] <bazhang> ah ask 'n quit
[16:14] <BlueEagle> bazhang: We all know if they don't get an answer within 20 seconds they google it. ;)
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Be nice if they would try searching first
[16:16] <BlueEagle> charlie-tca: It would be nice to win the lottery as well.
[16:16] <charlie-tca> agreed :-)
[20:16] <kevinSj> Does anyone know if it's possible to dual monitor in Xubuntu? Worked perfectly in Ubuntu
[20:16] <knome> it is possible.
[20:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:16] <kevinSj> Good
[20:16] <kevinSj> How?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> !xinerama
[20:17] <kevinSj> Ubottu, so Xubuntu doesn't have native support?
[20:17] <charlie-tca> no
[20:18] <kevinSj> charlie-tca, Okey. I want my os to be as lightweight as possible. is Xinerama light?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I don't know. If you light, why use dual monitors?
[20:18] <kevinSj> charlie-tca, Need it when I program.
[20:33] <kevinSj> How do I turn off my laptop display then?
[20:33] <kevinSj> So I only use the external monitor?
[20:39] <well_laid_lawn> kevinSj:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/automating-xorg-randr-turning-laptop-screen-off-if-external-monitor-is-connected-779386/
[21:12] <jasonchmiel> help
[21:12] <jasonchmiel> ah...what is this? a communication platform?
[21:12] <jasonchmiel> I've never used linux before so this is foreign to me lol
[21:12] <jasonchmiel> -whois emma


[12:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you have any changes to the konqueror setup?
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: not actually, but I think about it....
[12:18] <Tonio_> I few ideas in my heads
[12:20] <raphink> welcome JRe :)
[12:20] <JRe> hi raphink
[12:20] <raphink> how are you JRe ?
[12:20] <JRe> fine! and you?
[12:20] <raphink> good :)
[12:21] <JRe> I am about to release keep 0.2.3 ;)
[12:21] <raphink> JRe: put you as admin, feel free to change things around
[12:21] <JRe> raphink: ok
[12:22] <Tonio_> JRe: last version before accepted to universe ? ^^
[12:22] <JRe> Tonio_: yes ;)
[12:23] <JRe> Tonio_: and with po files now :)
[12:23] <JRe> Tonio_: (br, da, el, ga, pt, sv)
[12:24] <raphink> el?
[12:24] <raphink> ga?
[12:24] <raphink> and sv?
[12:24] <raphink> what are these?
[12:24] <raphink> :s
[12:26] <Riddell> slovac
[12:26] <Riddell> el might be greek
[12:26] <Riddell> ga could be gaelic but I suspect not
[12:27] <raphink> mhm
[12:32] <JRe> Riddell: ga is gaelic
[12:35] <Riddell> JRe: real Gaelic or Irish Gaelic?
[12:36] <JRe> Riddell: Irish one
[05:25] <Tm_T> good morning
[10:20] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:02] <Riddell> viviersf: pong
[11:02] <viviersf> :)
[11:02] <viviersf> dude
[11:03] <viviersf> the callender in kontact etc
[11:03] <viviersf> scheduling meetings / reminders
[11:03] <viviersf> why does it use the system clock and not kde's clock ?
[11:06] <Riddell> KDE doesn't have a clock
[11:06] <Riddell> there is only the system clock
[11:16] <viviersf> :/
[11:16] <viviersf> kde time
[11:17] <viviersf> is not the same as the system clock
[11:17] <viviersf> cos you can choose timezones
[11:17] <viviersf> then you want the alarm to go off on the correct time
[11:17] <viviersf> but it doesnt cos the system time is different
[11:18] <Riddell> you can tell the clock applet to show a different timezone
[11:18] <Riddell> but that doesn't change anything else, just what the clock applet shows you
[11:32] <Tonio_> hi raphink , hi all
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: JRe's application is waiting or you (when you have time) :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1601
[12:37] <Riddell> ooh, cool
[12:38] <Tonio_> I'm gonna be the official maintainer, cause JRe asked me, and I will probably post a ITP todebian
[12:43] <freeflying_> Riddell: hi
[12:44] <Riddell> hi freeflying_
[12:44] <freeflying_> Riddell:  got cd from you
[12:44] <freeflying_> Riddell: thx
[12:45] <Riddell> freeflying_: cool
[12:46] <freeflying_> Riddell: I'd ask the maininclusionreport of scim again . :)
[12:47] <Riddell> freeflying_: is skim still broken in dapper?
[12:48] <freeflying_> Riddell: skim should recompile against scim-1.4.4
[12:48] <freeflying_> Riddell: I have no problem with scim or skim in dapper now
[01:00] <Riddell> freeflying_: is this still a problem? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/28590
[01:13] <freeflying> Riddell: I had a test on that bugs again ,scim and skim work well in any condition
[01:14] <Riddell> fantastic
[01:16] <Riddell> freeflying: there's a community council meeting at 21:00UTC today, you should go for membership
[01:17] <freeflying> Riddell: 21:00UTC means UTC+0 time ?
[01:17] <Riddell> use  `date --utc` to find out utc time
[01:18] <Riddell> it's in 8 hours and 40 minutes
[01:19] <freeflying> Riddell: how shall I do to apply for that ? thx
[01:20] <Riddell> freeflying: read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewMemberHowto
[01:20] <Riddell> then add your name after Tonio_ to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[01:21] <Riddell> make sure your wiki page is up to date and shows what you've been doing for kubuntu
[01:21] <Riddell> and turn up at the meeting where you'll be asked to introduce what you do
[02:11] <Riddell> test 3.5.1 for dapper!  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ ./
[02:16] <Tm_T> :)
[02:37] <freeflying> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Freeflying
[02:39] <Riddell> freeflying: looks great
[02:39] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[02:40] <Tm_T> agreed
[02:41] <viviersf> Riddell, kde 3.5.1 out ????
[02:41] <Riddell> but not seth or jpatrick for membership
[02:41] <Riddell> viviersf: not yet, still in testing
[02:41] <viviersf> kk
[02:41] <viviersf> but almost ?
[02:42] <Riddell> viviersf: don't have an exact date but end of this week or early next I'd say
[02:42] <viviersf> kewl stuff
[02:42] <viviersf> :D
[02:59] <apokryphos> Tonio_: you should add klibido to the list on your wiki. It's been my (and a lot of others') saving grace 8)
[03:00] <apokryphos> ah, actually looks like you have the labelling wrong -- klibido is labelled as "Amarok Webfront", while all the other info is there. Changing that....
[03:03] <Tonio_> apokryphos: I'm just working on it :)
[03:03] <Tonio_> My wiki is really unmaintained at the moment :)
[03:03] <apokryphos> ah, ok
[03:03] <apokryphos> needless to say, pretty impressive :P
[03:11] <Tonio_> I just had lots of time in a period ;)
[03:26] <\sh> Riddell: I checked qt4 , and removed the build dep on xlibs-static-dev...should be ok now to install...
[03:27] <\sh> Riddell: oh and removed the xlibs-static-pic dependency of libqt4-dev
[03:28] <Riddell> \sh: thanks
[03:28] <\sh> Riddell: if it's ok, I'll upload
[03:30] <Riddell> \sh: please do
[03:31] <\sh> Riddell: done
[03:52] <jjesse> wow 400 packages need to updated from a fresh install of flight 3
[03:54] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:54] <jsgotangco> its worth it though
[03:55] <jsgotangco> but i still have to reconfigure my interfaces everytime i boot :/
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyMercatante <- is it okay or should I detail a bit more according to you ?
[04:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks good
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[04:42] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[04:52] <mornfall> what's with those wiki pages?
[04:56] <Tonio_> mornfall: certain of us are introducing at the CC toonight, and that requires a clean wiki page
[04:56] <jsgotangco> probably for CC
[04:56] <mornfall> CC?
[04:56] <Riddell> they're going for ubuntu membership
[04:56] <Riddell> community council
[04:57] <Riddell> a council of elite ubuntu people who approve membreships and are used to decide on difficult community issues
[04:57] <Riddell> or give advice
[04:58] <mornfall> what does ubuntu membership mean?
[04:59] <Riddell> it's a recognition of your contribution to ubuntu
[04:59] <Riddell> it also means you get to vote on the community council members
[04:59] <mornfall> ah, ok
[05:00] <Riddell> and it's the first step towards developer access to universe then main (which is approved by the technical board)
[05:00] <Riddell> also some groups use it as a way of giving access, like the ubuntu doc svn archive
[05:01] <jsgotangco> we're not as elite as devels like Riddell but we do have server access to some sorts :)
[05:02] <jsgotangco> Riddell, hmm speakin of doc, are there going to be more menu changes in coming milestones?
[05:03] <Riddell> jsgotangco: the k-menu?
[05:03] <jsgotangco> Riddell, yep
[05:03] <Riddell> jsgotangco: I don't expect so no
[05:04] <Riddell> excellent :)
[05:04] <jsgotangco> yeah i figure i'll be able to put it just in time for flight 4
[05:05] <allee> Tonio_: impressive wiki.  When this get's minimum standard I'll never dare to apply for membership
[05:06] <Tonio_> allee: are you kidding ? I've searched your name on Google, your free software contribution is by far greater that what I would ever do in my dreams :)
[05:09] <jsgotangco> what is the  "I feel lucky" result? :)
[05:14] <Riddell> Mez!
[05:15] <Riddell> Mez: how are backports controlled?
[05:15] <Mez> how do you mea n?
[05:16] <Riddell> if I want to use backports for KDE 3.5.1 I would need to be able to control it so the backports appeared at just the right time for relesae
[05:16] <Riddell> release
[05:16] <Riddell> is that possible?
[05:16] <Mez> Riddell as long as the package were to build on both Dapper and Breezy - theoretically yes
[05:16] <Mez> James just gives them to the buldd's from dapper
[05:17] <Mez> simly
[05:17] <Riddell> simly?
[05:17] <Mez> we poke james - james gives the packages from dapper to the buildds to build for breezy
[05:17] <Mez> simply*
[05:17] <Mez> my p isnt working
[05:17] <Mez> properly
[05:18] <Riddell> Mez: where do the build logs appear?
[05:18] <Mez>  same place as they appear usually
[05:19] <Riddell> how responsive is elmo to requests?
[05:19] <Mez> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/k/katapult/
[05:19] <Mez> he's pretty responsive to requests
[05:19] <Mez> put it this way
[05:19] <Mez> the last upload you did of katapult is already backported
[05:19] <Mez> but I'm sure if you get him before and ask him nicely then it'll be cool
[05:20] <Mez> though - you've gotta be sure that the dapper source will build on breezy too
[05:20] <Mez> because thats what our job is
[05:20] <Mez> hence why people cant just willy nilly request them
[05:20] <Mez> but it'd be uber to see it in backports
[05:21] <Riddell> the difficult bit is control magling
[05:21] <Mez> however - is this going to be similar to problems before ... ?
[05:21] <Mez> control magling ?
[05:21] <Riddell> since breezy meeds c2 arts and kdelibs and dapper needs c2a
[05:21] <Mez> why it need to be angles
[05:21] <Mez> hmmles
[05:21] <Riddell> so debian/control needs different versions based on distro
[05:21] <Mez> yeah that would be a PITA
[05:21] <Riddell> which I guess is possible using something simliar to the cdbs control.in thingy
[05:22] <Mez> *shrugs*
[05:22] <Mez> maybe
[05:22] <Mez> I've never tried
[05:22] <Riddell> no, me neither :)
[05:22] <Mez> If you can make it so it builds fine on breezy with no problems from dapper source
[05:22] <Mez> go for it
[05:22] <Mez> I'll be happy to hae it in backports
[05:22] <Mez> but - if it requires any manual changes
[05:22] <Mez> then not really possible
[05:23] <Riddell> yep
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep good night
[05:23] <Riddell> night jsgotangco
[06:04] <jpatrick> freeflying: ping
[06:24] <nlindblad> jpatrick: ping
[06:25] <jpatrick> nlindblad: evening
[06:25] <nlindblad> evening
[06:25] <nlindblad> how are you?
[06:25] <allee> jpatrick: hi
[06:25] <jpatrick> oh, fine, (better than sometimes)
[06:25] <jpatrick> allee: hello, sir
[06:26] <allee> jpatrick: you know what I want to ask ;)
[06:26] <jpatrick> err...
[06:26] <jpatrick> what?
[06:26] <allee> jpatrick: didn't read e-mail? ;)  What's the status of kmplayer?
[06:27] <teprrr> any developers around who could look at my packages?
[06:27] <teprrr> and how to deal debian packages made by the author of the application if I'd like to get them into ubuntu repos?
[06:27] <jpatrick> allee: Oh, (haven't got round to checking mail) trying to get the debian/*.install files to put the binaries into the right packages
[06:28] <allee> teprrr: I'm not aware that this makes a difference
[06:28] <teprrr> allee, mmh..
[06:28] <allee> jpatrick: that's fun I know.  utils.mk has a list-missing target of something that help you find missing files
[06:29] <allee> s/of/or
[06:29] <jpatrick> allee: so far it makes one big package and three empty packages
[06:30] <allee> jpatrick: have a look at kdesvn kmplayer has a debian dir and *.install files
[06:30] <mornfall> Tonio_: ping
[06:30] <jpatrick> allee: I'm using those ones
[06:30] <Tonio_> mornfall: pong
[06:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: what license is attached to your adept icons?
[06:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: and please give some reasonable copyright line :)
[06:31] <Tonio_> mornfall: never thought about it, but of course gpl :)
[06:31] <allee> jpatrick: oh,  mhmm, I rebuild them once lemme check ...
[06:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: bah, that's 3rd license in adept :|
[06:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: could they be LGPL or BSD? :-)
[06:32] <Riddell> icons in KDE should be at least LGPL normally
[06:32] <Tonio_> hum, even though I know the main differences between lgpl and gpl concerning the source code
[06:33] <Tonio_> I don't know what it can change for an icon....
[06:33] <mornfall> i'd guess under gpl, things like screenshot would be dubious :)
[06:33] <Tonio_> mornfall: consider that the icons are yours, and part of the global program, so use the same global licence ;)
[06:33] <Tonio_> if it is lgpl, then go with it....
[06:33] <mornfall> that'd be BSD, thanks :)
[06:34] <mornfall> the nuvola icons are under LGPL
[06:34] <mornfall> it doesn't really matter much
[06:34] <allee> jpatrick: mhm, after debuild,  does ls `cat debian/kmplayer*.install` work?
[06:34] <mornfall> i just need to stick something into debian/copyright
[06:34] <Tonio_> I absolutly don't mind... it is not like if I had put 3000 lignes of C
[06:34] <Riddell> teprrr: give us a URL and we'll look at the package
[06:34] <Riddell> teprrr: revu is best
[06:34] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'll be there
[06:34] <allee> jpatrick: last was wrong.  needs |awk too ...
[06:35] <Tonio_> but thanks for asking mornfall ;)
[06:35] <Riddell> teprrr: doesn't matter who makes the package but generally its best to keep the debian directory out of the .orig
[06:35] <jpatrick> allee: okay I'll give that a bash
[06:35] <Riddell> jpatrick: yay!
[06:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: how long does it take to become an MOTU? ;)
[06:36] <Riddell> jpatrick: dunno, back in my day I just turned up and asked
[06:36] <Riddell> but then I was the first
[06:36] <Riddell> usually a couple of months of packaging experience or so
[06:36] <allee> jpatrick: ls `cat debian/wlassistant.install | awk '{print $1}'`  # > /dev/null # to only see the wrong paths
[06:36] <Riddell> jpatrick: so turn up at the next tech board and I'll support you there too
[06:36] <Riddell> hello _maydayjay_
[06:37] <teprrr> Riddell, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1581 & http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1568
[06:37] <mornfall> Tonio_: i hope you have ircname set right, since that's what i am using for Copyright ;-)
[06:37] <teprrr> Riddell, well. the author distributes the debian dir on his source tarball, and that's where the debian package is created
[06:37] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes, sir
[06:38] <teprrr> pbuilder seems to build the package fine.. just changed compat 4->5 and changed relevant debhelper requirement
[06:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: I'm not knighted
[06:39] <Tonio_> hum
[06:39] <Tonio_> mornfall: it is my real name
[06:39] <mornfall> Tonio_: that's good
[06:40] <mornfall> this is about the 3rd time i'm fixing it
[06:40] <mornfall> :|
[06:42] <jpatrick> allee: that won't work using pbuilder...
[06:44] <Riddell> pef!
[06:45] <pef> hello
[06:45] <pef> Riddell: heya
[06:48] <Riddell> pef: coming to the community meeting tonight at 21:00UTC?
[06:49] <Riddell> we've got a few people to support into membership
[06:49] <pef> Riddell: it's in about 2 hours, isn't it ?
[06:49] <Riddell> 3
[06:51] <pef> arg, won't have net access, again.
[06:51] <Riddell> why not?
[06:57] <pef> Riddell: since several months my car is broken, so my girlfriend comes on evening to bring me at her home, and on morning she can drives me to work. And she hasn't net access for now
[06:57] <pef> that's why I'm never connected on evening after 8/9pm :/
[06:58] <jpatrick> allee: I think I found the problem - I'm going to pbuild it before putting it into REVU
[06:59] <mornfall> Riddell: btw, in case adept gets into unstable, could it be synced from there?
[06:59] <mornfall> Riddell: or do you want to do separate uploads?
[07:00] <Riddell> mornfall: either is fine, just whichever is best depending on timing
[07:00] <mornfall> Riddell: there's http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.88.2.tar.gz which fixes the evil crasher
[07:01] <mornfall> Riddell: but it needs libapt-front 0.3.5
[07:01] <mornfall> Riddell: which means that one needs to be synced from unstable
[07:02] <Riddell> mornfall: dapper has libapt-front 0.3.5ubuntu1
[07:05] <Riddell> mornfall: we also have ept 1.89ubuntu1
[07:05] <mornfall> Riddell: 89? interesting :)
[07:05] <mornfall> Riddell: bump versions as appropriate then
[07:06] <mornfall> does ubuntu need to have a higher version than corresponding debian one? and couldn't it be done with +ubuntu?
[07:06] <Riddell> need for what?
[07:07] <mornfall> no damn idea
[07:07] <mornfall> but 0.3.4 debian -> 0.3.5ubuntu1
[07:07] <mornfall> ept 1.88 -> 1.89ubuntu1
[07:08] <Riddell> the ubuntu1 is the bump in version number, the other version number is the upstream bit which is whatever you gave me
[07:09] <mornfall> hmm, really? then i must have confused something
[07:09] <mornfall> since alpha 1 is 1.88 and alpha 2 1.89 in the roadmap
[07:09] <Riddell> oh.  hum.
[07:09] <mornfall> i also have 1.88 in my debian/changelog
[07:09] <Riddell> looks like it was my fault
[07:10] <mornfall> no matter
[07:11] <mornfall> as for libapt-front, i may as well forgot about the ubuntu release and use 0.3.5 again
[07:12] <mornfall> i'd say for adept, keep the versions on 1.89ubuntuX till alpha 2
[07:12] <mornfall> and for libapt-front, 0.3.5ubuntu2 for what is 0.3.5 in debian
[07:12] <Riddell> yep
[07:13] <mornfall> IIRC the 0.3.5ubuntu1 was a sort of pre-release for adept alpha anyway
[07:19] <Riddell> teprrr: 1 comment http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1581
[07:22] <nlindblad> man, 26.5GiB now
[07:23] <nlindblad> and it's only been a week
[07:25] <jjesse> is that downloads from a mirror nlindblad
[07:26] <nlindblad> seeding the torrents for i386 (both Live and Install)
[07:26] <jjesse> wow
[07:27] <teprrr> Riddell, you mean upstream of kde port or upstream of _the original_?
[07:27] <teprrr> Riddell, kde port has it there. should I move it into debian/ anyway?
[07:28] <Riddell> teprrr: the alphawin package has it there?
[07:28] <Riddell> teprrr: how come you need a custom install rule then?
[07:36] <teprrr> Riddell, well, original package from kdelook has it. and for me it looks like it isn't installing the file at all.
[07:37] <teprrr> Riddell, and just confirmed, it isn't installing the scheme file at all :)
[07:37] <Riddell> teprrr: str
[07:37] <Riddell> teprrr: strange
[07:37] <Riddell> teprrr: but solved the problem then, I'll approve it
[07:39] <teprrr> okay
[07:39] <Riddell> teprrr: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1581 approved!
[07:39] <Riddell> teprrr: poke someone else into reviewing, pef_aw or raphink maybe
[07:39] <Riddell> then we can upload
[07:40] <pef> teprrr: will review it
[07:41] <pef> On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'
[07:41] <pef> teprrr: just add -2 to the path
[07:41] <pef> On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'
[07:41] <Riddell> pef: why does he need to do that?
[07:42] <teprrr> pef, Riddell said earlier to use GPL, as -2 is too restrictive or something :P
[07:42] <teprrr> it used to be -2 :)
[07:42] <teprrr> (gotten from some example file)
[07:43] <pef> oh ok
[07:43] <pef> the rest of the package is ok for me
[07:44] <Riddell> teprrr: a couple of minor issues here http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1568
[07:44] <teprrr> Riddell, nice :)
[07:45] <teprrr> for what are those docs & dirs used actually? they're from dh_make I think.. :P
[07:45] <Riddell> teprrr: docs are files that should go into /usr/share/doc/<packagename> but debhelper looks for some common filenames even without it
[07:45] <Riddell> and dirs is for when there's nothing else making a needed directory, but that's not the case here
[07:46] <Riddell> since make install will make it
[07:46] <teprrr> understood, removed them
[07:46] <Riddell> make sure you test it still, I could be wrong
[07:47] <teprrr> yup, compiling now
[07:56] <Riddell> teprrr: kwin-style-alphacube uploaded, thanks for your package
[07:57] <Riddell> teprrr: it'll go into the NEW queue where it'll be checked for sanity in the next couple of days
[07:57] <Riddell> then you need to make sure it compiles correctly
[07:57] <Riddell> by watching the buildlogs
[07:57] <Riddell> then you can relax
[07:58] <teprrr> ookay, thanks :)
[07:59] <teprrr> jpatrick, how's that?
[08:00] <jpatrick> teprrr: I have to do homework
[08:01] <teprrr> ouch :/
[08:01] <allee> teprrr: remove cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --disable-debug,  no longer needed.  Was and is a hack
[08:02] <teprrr> allee, hmm.
[08:02] <jpatrick> allee, Riddell: kmplayer in REVU
[08:02] <allee> teprrr: copyright holder: no year specified
[08:02] <teprrr> allee, you're talking about kboggle or alphacube?
[08:03] <jpatrick> allee: still have to apply the guys suggested patches
[08:03] <allee> teprrr: alphacube.  I introduced this hack long ago to work around a cdbs 'bug' that's fixed
[08:05] <allee> teprrr: shouldn't there be a depend or at least enhances on kwin?  Pkg useless without I assume
[08:06] <teprrr> 2005-2006 Ciccio Bueo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2005-2006 (Original) -- something like this?
[08:06] <jjesse> Riddell: can you please change the style sheet for quickguide
[08:06] <jjesse> and make it look as good as releasenotes?
[08:07] <teprrr> allee, Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.0), kwin (>= 4:3.5-rc1-1) at least in here
[08:08] <allee> teprrr: oh, only looked at the diff. Interesting that kwin get's pulled in.  Ah kwin contains lots of libs too. Sorry for false alarm
[08:09] <teprrr> okay. so, should I just add copyright years like that and reput it into revu?
[08:12] <allee> yeap. Listing 2005-2006 once is enough: (C) 2005-2006 Ciccio Bueo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Original)
[08:13] <teprrr> though the port was made on 2005 and haven't updated.. should I still put 2006 there?
[08:14] <allee> teprrr: no. Only 2005  And make sure that this copyright listed in upstream tarball.  Contributor are free to contribute without copyright
[08:15] <allee> teprrr: add only (and all) copyright you find in the tarball.  If someone obviously forgot to add it remind them ;)
[08:17] <teprrr> hmm, see no copyrights other than in sources..
[08:17] <teprrr> but the kde-look uploader isn't shown there..
[08:17] <theine> Hi, does klaptop_acpi_helper actually make use of the scripts in /etc/acpi ?
[08:17] <teprrr> just two other guys I haven't mentioned
[08:18] <allee> teprrr: add the two.  If kde-look uploader is a contributor remind him to add copyright (if we want's)
[08:24] <teprrr> hmm, can I encode the file to utf8?
[08:24] <teprrr> debian/copyright I mean?
[08:26] <Riddell> yes
[08:27] <allee> teprrr: afaik it's expected to be utf-8
[08:30] <allee> teprrr: lintian complains Alphacube.kcsrc is executable
[08:32] <teprrr> allee, mmh. it was in orig, but I changed that :P
[08:32] <teprrr> but umh, I should do something about it in debian/rules, correct?
[08:34] <allee> repair it
[08:34] <allee> teprrr: echo readme >> debian/docs
[08:35] <teprrr> ah.
[08:36] <allee> and ask upstream add 0.3 changes also to readme. (and kindly suggest to use README for next release ;)
[08:37] <teprrr> so, how should I repair the permissions?
[08:38] <teprrr> commented on kdelook about those issues now
[08:39] <Riddell> mornfall: new adept looks good, I'm ok to upload?
[08:41] <allee> teprrr: hmm, hack.  install rule add a chmod 644 Alphacube.kcsrc
[08:42] <Tonio__> allee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1610 ajmitch uploaded kmplayer, excellent ;)
[08:42] <\sh> allee: should be better to fix upstreams makefile :)_
[08:42] <jpatrick> Tonio__: what?
[08:43] <Tonio__> jpatrick: sorry for the name confusion ;)
[08:43] <Tonio__> jpatrick uploaded it...
[08:43] <jpatrick> wow, that was fast
[08:44] <jpatrick> thought someone stole my package for a second
[08:45] <allee> \sh: I prefer little hack in rules and pester upstream
[08:45] <mornfall> Riddell: you are asking if you can upload? or saying you are ok to upload? :) either way, feel free to go ahead :)
[08:45] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm a bit dyslectic with names, assume that there 4 letters in common, and I can make the confusion
[08:45] <\sh> allee: new package? then it should be time to let upstream fix it before :)
[08:45] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I've always done that ;)
[08:45] <Riddell> mornfall: just confirming that's what you intended, uploading :)
[08:46] <jpatrick> Tonio_: not in dapper-changes
[08:46] <allee> \sh good point.
[08:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: oh, now I understand
[08:48] <Tonio_> jpatrick, ajmitch -> there are j, a, t, i and c.... to much for me when I'm tired ^_^
[08:49] <allee> teperr:  relibtoolization can't hurt either.  it depends on ~ 2 dozend pkgs (as usual with upstream libtool)
[08:52] <allee> teprrr: FSF address is outdated in source.
[08:53] <allee> --> upstream todo
[08:53] <teprrr> allee, oh. in copyright file?
[08:53] <teprrr> allee, it came from some template I think
[08:54] <allee> teprrr: in kwin/*.cpp,h
[08:54] <Riddell> FSF really should just get a PO Box
[08:55] <teprrr> allee, oh yes. those file are from kde.. think it's been taken care of by kde devels
[08:56] <allee> teprrr: kde svn clean up the svn repo since weeks to use the new address.  Is the pkg in kde svn?
[08:57] <teprrr> allee, no it isn't.. and this deco is generated with some generator, which uses old stuff I think :(
[08:59] <teprrr> now everything else but that address thing is fixed
[09:01] <allee> teprrr: just make upstream aware of it.  So it gets fixed.
[09:03] <allee> teprrr: no more comments from my side on the pkg
[09:05] <allee> teprrr: ah, one suggestion: I usually add a debian/TODO file, where I note stuff like the chmod hack, outdated fsf address, so I don't forget about them
[09:06] <teprrr> ah, great idea.. added :)
[09:10] <allee> jpatrick: you should merge upstream's debian/changelog.
[09:10] <teprrr> should I then proceed with bumping the package version and resend to revu?
[09:10] <Riddell> http://kubuntuforums.net/  yikes, what have they do to the logo
[09:10] <jpatrick> Riddell: it's not my fault
[09:11] <allee> teprrr: not sure.  ask \sh ;)  I would prefer a ++ so I can easily use interdiff, but I'm don't know REVU convenstions for this
[09:12] <teprrr> allee, okay. thanks.
[09:12] <Riddell> just upload to revu, revu can do a debdiff for you
[09:12] <teprrr> oh, okay. :)
[09:14] <jpatrick> Riddell: so we're going to use Moodin for Dapper's splash?
[09:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: that's the plan, if it ever gets through main inclusion review
[09:14] <jpatrick> cool
[09:15] <allee> jpatrick: build-dep on xlibs-dev.
[09:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: the author of the cool theme at kde-look is planning to GPL his theme
[09:15] <allee> jpatrick: replace with proper new xlibraries
[09:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: URL?
[09:17] <allee> jpatrick: check the depends. Koos made it work on sarge and sid with  libinsarge|libinsid contructs.  Needs cleanup IMHO
[09:18] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426
[09:18] <jpatrick> allee: oKay
[09:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: yeah, I like that one.  have you e-mailed him?
[09:19] <allee> jpatrick: I'm also not sure if the pkg is optiomal.  the kmplayer meta pkgs is for my taste not needed
[09:19] <Riddell> although canonical might be doing the artwork
[09:19] <teprrr> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1611 -- here we go again
[09:19] <jjesse> that splash is cool
[09:20] <teprrr> fullscreen splash would be bercool :)
[09:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: no but: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg10996#msg10996
[09:21] <jpatrick> :)
[09:21] <Riddell> arg, you made me see that new kubuntuforums logo again!
[09:21] <Riddell> "next week or so" last november
[09:21] <Riddell> hmm
[09:22] <jpatrick> last november?
[09:22] <\sh> how doomed is this...that's ugly like hell...it should be removed, or the maintainer should be sued for using kubuntu as name
[09:22] <Riddell> oh no, read the wrong date
[09:23] <\sh> but http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426 this is really nice..
[09:23] <jpatrick> \sh, Riddell : and matching KDM: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29331
[09:23] <\sh> or we should make a blue "hal 9000" cam eye :) and greeting the "going to login" user with: "Hello Dave (aka <real username>"
[09:24] <\sh> jpatrick: yeah...that's the one we need...very professional
[09:26] <Riddell> we just need to keep poking him to make it GPL or the like
[09:28] <Tonio_> \sh: wow, that's really much better than the actual !
[09:29] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer docs should not depend on the application, All long and short descriptions need a bit of work, rules files need clean up (why not cdbs?), *.docs and *.dirs are not needed, files listed there are installed by default and the dirs created by make instal
[09:29] <jpatrick> allee: I don't like cdbs
[09:30] <\sh> Riddell: do you want to write an email to him? or should I try?
[09:30] <jpatrick> \sh: I was just gonna do that
[09:30] <allee> jpatrick: fine, your choice of course, so just a rules cleanup ;)
[09:30] <\sh> jpatrick: ok :)
[09:30] <Riddell> well lets not bombard him with e-mails :)
[09:32] <\sh> jpatrick: please mention riddell and me, too, and others as big fans of his design, and that he will be the famous person of Kubuntu Dapper Drake...we will honor him with zillions of free kubuntu cds, directly shipped from canonical ;) signed by mark and the whole crew including launchpad guys, and a voice message from RMS and Linus Torvalds..
[09:32] <jpatrick> rofl
[09:32] <\sh> hehe
[09:32] <jpatrick> I'll quote the chat here too
[09:32] <\sh> lol
[09:33] <\sh> don't he will have those cds then...and I'm just fooling around :)
[09:33] <jpatrick> not the last bit tho
[09:34] <\sh> I'm just excited, because today I was in an office again after more then one month..seeing people, working with people, having nice girls around me...one actually is from ZA....
[09:34] <jpatrick> \sh: having girls around you? Lucky - the one I like is ignoring me most of the time
[09:36] <\sh> jpatrick: yes, around me...but, to be honest, I would say no, if she would ask me to have a date or something else...I'm too old for those young ones :) 23 is too young for an old fart like me
[09:41] <jpatrick> will his name be mentioned somewhere?
[09:41] <\sh> jpatrick: release notes?
[09:41] <\sh> riddell?
[09:42] <jpatrick> apart from debian/copyright for kubuntu-default-settings
[09:43] <jpatrick> 22 mins to CC meeting!
[09:44] <\sh> jpatrick: riddell and I will write a blog entry as well about him, when he is changing the license...so he is famous on planet.ubuntu.com and on planetkde.org, too :)
[09:44] <jpatrick> and I have a send button to push here...
[09:45] <jpatrick> \sh: okay... sure?
[09:46] <jpatrick> I don't want him bashing me later on :)
[09:47] <\sh> I can't speak about riddel, but I will write a blog entry about him and his license change and that we are proud to present etc. and I think a mentioning in the release notes should be possible, but riddel must decide this
[09:47] <jpatrick> I'll just say "You might be mentioned in the release notes"
[09:48] <\sh> jpatrick: very good :)
[09:49] <jpatrick> ok, signed message sent
[09:49] <jpatrick> now to play the waiting game
[10:05] <freeflying_> jpatrick: ping
[10:05] <jpatrick> freeflying_: hello
[10:06] <jpatrick> freeflying_: do you have to names at Last.fm?
[10:06] <freeflying_> jpatrick: I have join the group on last.fm
[10:07] <jpatrick> there's freeflying and a zhengpeng there :)
[10:07] <freeflying_> jpatrick: all for me , :)
[10:07] <jpatrick> :)
[10:47] <jpatrick> Riddell: not sure if I'm gonna be around for much longer...
[10:48] <Riddell> jpatrick: there's nothing on the agenda after wiki licencing so it'll be membership after this
[10:48] <jpatrick> yahoo
[10:48] <Riddell> jpatrick: ask to go first then
[10:48] <jpatrick> ok
[10:48] <jpatrick> I have like 10 mins left
[11:07] <Riddell> jpatrick?
[11:16] <Riddell> bah
[11:17] <freeflying_> Riddell: hi
[11:18] <Riddell> hi freeflying_, you need to prepare a couple of sentenses to introduce yourself at the meeting when they call you
[11:19] <freeflying_> Riddell: ok , and it need vote ?
[11:19] <Riddell> freeflying_: yes, they'll vote and hopefully say yes
[11:20] <freeflying_> Riddell: I don't know who will vote for me . :)
[11:21] <Riddell> freeflying_: mako, kamion and elmo have the votes
[11:21] <Riddell> but they take advise from everyone else
[11:21] <Riddell> so if I say you should be in that'll help them lots
[11:22] <freeflying_> Riddell: :)
[11:52] <Riddell> well I guess Tonio_ is in then :)
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for your comment :)
[11:54] <freeflying_> Tonio_: congratulate
[11:54] <\sh> Tonio_: welcome on board dude...well done :)
[11:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: you have next weeks tech board meeting in your diary?
[11:54] <Tonio_> \sh, freeflying_ : ^^
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I should and may have time to be there yes
[11:55] <\sh> Riddell: TB..yeah he needs it :)
[12:01] <opensource> Riddell: Check out the logo kubuntuforums.net now.  Is that better?


[22:25] <dob1> hi, firefox has problems with dpms
[22:26] <dob1> sex xset dpms 10 10 10
[22:26] <dob1> open firefox, wait 10 sec dpms is ok
[22:26] <dob1> watch a youtube video (at least this was for me test case)  and it doesn't work anymore
[22:27] <dob1> closing firefox make dpms works again
[22:27] <Eickmeyer> !support | dob1
[22:27] <Eickmeyer> (wrong channel)
[22:28] <dob1> ok I will report it on ubuntu
[22:28] <Eickmeyer> !bug | dob1
[22:28] <dob1> to be honest I don't think this is the right way too
[22:28] <dob1> it has to be reported to firefox team I suppose
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> That would be bugs.mozilla.com
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> I think?
[22:29] <dob1> yes, I am lazy to create account and all their things :)
[22:29] <dob1> to report the but
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> dob1: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/file-bug-report-or-feature-request-mozilla
[22:29] <dob1> bug ;)
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> dob1: Then it won't get reported.
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> This is not the place to report bugs.
[22:30] <dob1> I am sorry, I was not complaing
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> That's fine, just trying to tell you where it needs to be done if you're trying to report a bug. :)
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> It'll get lost here.
[22:31] <dob1> yes I got it, I will report it asap to bugzilla
[22:31] <Eickmeyer> Sounds great.
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> dob1: For future reference, this is the development collaboration channel for the Ubuntu Desktop develompent team, not a help/support channel. For that, you want #ubuntu. :)
[22:33] <JanC> also, the desktop environment / screensaver already handles that sort of things, so you probably shouldn't try to use xset dpms like that...
[22:33] <dob1> well I am sure that ogra helped me long time ago for an issue still on firefox too
[22:33] <dob1> here
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> dob1: ogra also hangs out in #ubuntu.
[22:33] <dob1> JanC: I am using i3
[22:34] <dob1> no screensaver
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> dob1: If you're using i3 then this definitely is the wrong channel.
[22:35] <dob1> I am sure it's a firefox bug, it was working before last update
[22:35] <dob1> anyway I don't waste time of people here, I will report it :)
[22:37] <JanC> FWIW: I assume Firefox does something to prevent the screen from blanking while playing video (which is what most people expect to happen, but they might have an option to switch that off...)
[22:38] <dob1> as I said it was working
[22:39] <dob1> JanC: but my case is when you finish watching the video, it doesn't restore it
[22:39] <Eickmeyer> Let's take this to #ubuntu, this is the last channel I want gummed up with this conversation.
[22:39] <dob1> ok ended for me


[08:13] <mandel> morning :D !
[08:24] <ajmitch> hi
[13:12] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:25] <mkarnicki> hi duanedesign
[14:03] <Chipaca> Ubuntu One Desktop+ standup starting in mumble
[15:54] <duanedesign> dobey: i saw you mention on a bug report the irrelevance of an upstream ttask for a packaging bug. Are there any other distinctions, that maybe the team has, to consider before assigning a U1 bug to an up or downstream task?
[15:57] <dobey> duanedesign: not specifically yet i don't think. but something that only affects packaging should only be filed against the ubuntu package
[15:59] <duanedesign> dobey:  yeah makes sense.
[16:27] <nessita> beuno: if someone wants to install u1android, where can he get the apk? or is it in the market?
[16:29] <beuno> nessita, not yet, there's a link to the latest version
[16:29] <beuno> mkarnicki, you around?
[16:29] <mkarnicki> beuno: hi :)
[16:29] <mkarnicki> oh
[16:29] <mkarnicki> nessita: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1
[16:29] <nessita> mkarnicki: gracias!
[16:29] <mkarnicki> nessita: if you don't like scanning barcodes
[16:29] <mkarnicki> nessita: I can privde the direct link
[16:30]  * mkarnicki pm's nessita
[16:30] <nessita> mkarnicki: no need, thanks!
[16:31] <mkarnicki> np. I guess I should provide the direct link, too. Not everybody has barcode scanner installed.
[16:31] <mkarnicki> I'll add it to the wiki right away
[16:55] <mkarnicki> beuno: What is Funambol for? Does it access couchDB to sync phone contacts?
[16:55] <mkarnicki> beuno: Or it has totally different backend
[16:55] <beuno> mkarnicki, it does on our end, yes
[18:36] <danyR> hy everyone, u1 accounts are tied to launchpad login and ubuntu SSO accounts, aren't they?
[18:37] <rye> danyR, currently launchpad logins are tied to SSO logins, ubuntuone does not store the credentials
[18:37] <duanedesign> hello danyR
[18:38] <rye> danyR, i.e. login names and passwords, OAuth tokens for device access are stored in Ubuntu One databases
[18:38] <danyR> because I was trying to do something like  an account "reset", Ubuntu One hasn't been working for me for a while. But I really want to use it
[18:40] <duanedesign> danyR: what is not working for you?
[18:40] <danyR> duanedesign: basically everything. I tried even in a Maverick VM and it won't sync files and in my main system it doesn't even connect
[18:42] <danyR> I click connect, it hangs up, seems to be connected but returns to 'Connect' stauts again
[18:44] <duanedesign> danyR: it 'should' auto connrct on boot
[18:44] <danyR> duanedesign: I've disabled that :)
[18:46] <danyR> ok, at least now u1sdtool is giving me an error. where can i see the error?
[18:46] <danyR> description says: "auth failed"
[18:46] <duanedesign> danyR: ok
[18:46] <danyR> u1 web interface isn't listing the computer
[18:46] <danyR> Let me try to re-add it
[18:47] <duanedesign> danyR: can you open Applications > Accessories > Password and Encryption
[18:47] <danyR> duanedesign: I've got the UbuntuOne token. Shall I delete it?
[18:47] <duanedesign> danyR: yes please
[18:48] <duanedesign> probably want to close the Uburnu One prefernces if its open
[18:48] <danyR> I'm reading the computer
[18:49] <duanedesign> danyR: after deleting the token and then confirming that your computer is not listed at one.ubuntu.com/account/machines
[18:49] <danyR> Connect button is still greyed out, after adding the computer. It's still trying to connect...
[18:49] <danyR> Computer is listed there
[18:49] <duanedesign> opening Ubuntu One like normal from the 'Me Menu' should trigger a web page to open asking you to add your computer
[18:49] <duanedesign> danyR: ok remove it
[18:50] <danyR> done
[18:50] <duanedesign> danyR: so  remove the token. Remove the machine from the website, then open the Ubuntu oNe preferences
[18:53] <danyR> duanedesign: I got the same: machine is listed in web interface, u1-preferences, but "Connect Button" is still greyed out. u1sdtool reports error, "auth failed"
[18:56] <danyR> duanedesign: If I do u1sdtool -q, u1sdtool --start && u1sdtool -c, and then check the status, I'm now online, and in QUEUE_MANAGER status
[18:57] <danyR> It says it's synchronizing, but I've been here before and it just stays here. All my files are on the computer and online. There's nothing that big to synchronize
[18:58] <duanedesign> danyR: can you paste the output of u1sdtool -s  at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:59] <danyR> duanedesign: http://paste.ubuntu.com/473194/
[19:00] <duanedesign> danyR: ok. can you now try:   u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[19:00] <danyR> outputs 1649
[19:00] <duanedesign> and:    u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[19:01] <duanedesign> danyR: ok it has 1649 metadata items to sync
[19:01] <danyR> is that much? aren't metadata files supposed to be minimum?
[19:01] <danyR> minimal*
[19:01] <duanedesign> danyR: it will process those then move on to the --waiting-content
[19:03] <danyR> waiting-content outputs 1401.
[19:03] <duanedesign> ok
[19:03] <danyR> I've a long wait. It's processing at 2 metadata files/min :|
[19:03] <duanedesign> danyR: you can use those two commands to verify it is making forward progress. The numbers will get smaller over time
[19:06] <danyR> yeah, I've been checking. *just* 1600 to process :)
[19:09] <duanedesign> :)
[19:13] <danyR> wait, that makes sense. I already know how I've this many metadata files. I've somme hidden directories, including .themes, synced with U1
[20:36] <mkarnicki> nessita: hey, did you give it a go :)? AndroidU1 I mean
[20:36] <nessita> mkarnicki: my boyfriend will, but not today
[20:36] <mkarnicki> nessita: cool ^ ^
[20:36] <nessita> :-)
[21:26] <helo> status indicates that everything is ok, but i am getting an Internal Server Error from one.ubuntu.com in rhythmbox
[21:28] <helo> it would be nice if there was a "refresh" option somewhere in rhythmbox...
[21:29] <rye> helo, checking...
[21:31] <rye> helo, when does the Internal Server Error message appear? Could you please create a screenshot?
[21:32] <helo> hah, it's working now :)
[21:33] <helo> i was able to see the initial loading page after clicking "Ubuntu One" on the left, but instead of loading the music store home, i got the error
[21:33] <helo> tried a half-dozen times over 10 min or so
[21:46] <rye> helo, was that a ubuntuone-branded web page or simply "Internal Server Error" message (possibly black on white) ?
[21:51] <helo> all black & white, usual apache, mod-python, etc error
[21:54] <helo> there is certainly an apache log entry somewhere corresponding to it :)
[22:16] <helo> i don't use gnome with all of its extra apps... after selecting an album and going to checkout, i can log into my uone account but rhythmbox just stays on the "connecting you to the ubuntu one music store..."
[22:17] <helo> from what i've seen, it is trying to connect to a local port... if from rhythmbox then it should work, but if it is looking for some ubuntu one daemon, then it is probably not running
[22:23] <helo> ehh, restarting rhythmbox seems to have done the trick
[22:42] <helo> should i expect to wait more than 30 minutes for my album to start downloading? all tracks are just "queued"
[22:45] <helo> attempting http://heratech.net/blog/sham/ubuntu-one-music-not-syncing-queued
[23:07] <helo> hmm... i guess it's not too bad that rhythmbox won't let me access my music directly, since i can manually download the tracks through my browser
[23:44] <mdl-unit> honk: My music has been sitting in "Transferring to your Ubuntu One storage" since last night


[00:17] <transpARent> +x
[00:17] <bitethecoin> Hello. I just flashed my Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch. I can not seem to find a way to add contacts. Is there any easy way to do this?
[00:22] <bobweaver> How can I do this in QML  :)  http://pastebin.com/T7VATsiQ
[00:24] <bobweaver> Foo would be any thing like a child of a abstract button or a opacityShape
[02:33] <simon_> hi there ubuntu lovers. i was wondering if someone could kindly answer a question for me about the ubuntu phone??
[02:39] <Nimble> he never asked his question...
[02:52] <leemeng0x61> hi there ubuntu lovers. i was wondering if someone could kindly answer a question for me about the  carif
[02:52] <leemeng0x61> ...
[02:53] <carif> is that a typo?
[03:02] <leemeng0x61> carif, ...
[03:03] <carif> leemeng0x61, I probably can't answer your question, but pose it and perhaps someone can
[03:11] <leemeng0x61> carif, It's not my question, it's simon_'s, and the question line is just my misoperation of mid-wheel.
[06:29] <SHUBH> hello
[06:29] <SHUBH> is anyone there ?
[07:07] <chrispy> hi all
[07:08] <chrispy> anyone now how the development is going for ubuntu for htc one x?
[07:50] <Lipi> I downloaded ubuntu touch image file which is built by me. But, my Nexus 4 is not working. Is there anybody did build and downloaded it sucessfully?
[07:51] <Lipi> After download is done and reboot, my Nexus 4 is gone to charging mode.
[08:09] <AskUbuntu> WxWidgets in Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/305942
[08:34] <leemeng0x61> how to get the touch code
[08:34] <leemeng0x61> Could someone give the cmd
[10:49] <AskUbuntu> How to create a dialog and set title and text dynamically | http://askubuntu.com/q/306007
[12:53] <razor1101> Can I run python and Perl scripts on ubuntu touch?
[13:00] <razor1101> Is porting the Rom to htc mobiles any easy
[13:42] <transpARent> how can I open the terminal windows?
[13:42] <transpARent> window*
[14:01] <b0bben> hey all
[14:01] <b0bben> looking for docs on qt location, not the easiest to find
[14:02] <b0bben> so I thought: hey, the weather app uses GPS, i'll just check that code out
[14:02] <b0bben> but can't find it among the projects @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview
[14:02] <b0bben> anyone knows where the code repo for that is?
[14:03] <b0bben> or where i can find the qt location docs
[14:29] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch availability on Windows tablet | http://askubuntu.com/q/306072
[14:33] <almaidinajad> anyone coul help me with the porting for the HTC One X?
[14:43] <mhall119> b0bben: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app
[15:47] <wac_> hey
[15:48] <wac_> anyone around?
[15:52] <wac_> i heard there was a touch image that does not have all the preview data like pictures and contacts is ths true?
[15:52] <wac_> if so where can I find the image?
[15:57] <wac_> back...did anyone answer!? lol
[17:32] <OrrinFox> Hey there
[17:36] <Oranger> hey
[17:37] <OrrinFox> Got a nexus  7 a while ago, thinking of geting ubuntu on it for testing. Sure would love to see this become a standard OS someday.
[17:44] <OrrinFox> Its funny looking through some of the comments on iloveubuntu.net, they talk about normal users not wanting the terminal app, Im actually waiting for the app. The terminal is kind of a standard for me on any linux distro.
[17:44] <OrrinFox> anyone got any progress updates about it?
[17:55] <mhall119> OrrinFox: the terminal app is part of the daily device images now
[17:56] <mhall119> go to the apps lens, tap the "Search" at the top and type "t", that's usually enough to show it
[17:56] <mhall119> though in fairness to the comments, you're probably not "normal" when it comes to general consumer electronics users
[17:56] <mhall119> :)
[17:58] <OrrinFox> eh, maybe youre right xD
[17:58] <OrrinFox> anyone work on porting python to it? if not i might see if I cant work something up
[18:06] <mhall119> python already runs on it
[18:07] <mhall119> we're just trying not to use too much of it, since it's not really designed with memory and power optimization in mind
[18:10] <Oranger> hey mhall119 :) Just to warn you, I still have some problems with CMake and Poppler, so it could take more time to finish it...
[18:11] <OrrinFox> Ah, yeah true true :P
[18:13] <OrrinFox> Anyone work with flashing this with something like TWRP?
[18:14] <OrrinFox> thats what my current recovery is, I dont have stock recovery. Im sure I could get the stock recovery on though..
[18:16] <OrrinFox> hm.. think i found something online.. lets see how it goes.
[18:52] <linuxCool> hello i have samsung galaxy ace2 can i install ubuntu touch on my device?
[18:55] <linuxCool> exxoooo
[18:56] <Oranger> linuxCool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices :)
[18:58] <linuxCool> Oranger: i now for this web ! I ask if it is possible for install on my device!
[18:59] <Oranger> linuxCool: If you can't find your device then I think not
[18:59] <Oranger> linuxCool: But try to search on google, maybe you'll find something
[18:59] <linuxCool> Oranger: yes 10x
[19:43]  * snwh is back (gone 38:58:00)
[23:51] <chiestchedap> anyone has download link for sprint toroplus???? im lloking looking looking but cant find:( only link i found is offline


[01:13] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[01:14] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:
[01:29] <froq> hello
[06:16] <Captainkrtek> hello
[06:20] <Captainkrtek> any mentors around?
[06:20] <Captainkrtek> or guides
[06:23] <Captainkrtek> hello nit-wit
[06:24] <nit-wit> Captainkrtek, hello
[06:25] <nit-wit> nobody nar-wailing here eh lol feels more comfy ;)
[06:25] <Captainkrtek> haha
[06:37] <[styx]> Captainkrtek from andirc?
[06:37] <Captainkrtek> yes sir :)
[06:37] <[styx]> Yay!
[06:37] <[styx]> Lol
[06:37] <Captainkrtek> good to see another face around here
[06:37] <[styx]> Lol
[06:37] <[styx]> Yeah
[06:38] <[styx]> The people here a re real great to ubuntu noobs
[06:38] <[styx]> <---
[06:38] <Captainkrtek> If you need any help let me know :)
[06:38] <[styx]> Ok
[06:38] <[styx]> I really need to get on and irc more
[06:38] <[styx]> Always forget lol
[06:39] <[styx]> And I don't have any chans to go to
[06:44] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha
[06:44] <jbicha> hi
[06:46] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you summoned me
[06:46] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, for a mystical reason, I'm usually sleeping around 3am ;)
[06:47] <Error404NotFound> lol
[06:47] <Error404NotFound> wasnt 3am here
[06:47] <Error404NotFound> when i boot inti ubuntu half the time my mouse dont work
[06:48] <bioterror> really
[06:48] <Error404NotFound> i have to reboot
[06:48] <bioterror> something broken with the evdev then, I assume
[06:48] <bioterror> try another usb port ;)
[06:48] <Error404NotFound> whatever that is loll
[06:49] <Error404NotFound> ill have to try that
[06:49] <Error404NotFound> doesnt do it in windows
[06:50] <bioterror> ol good windows
[06:50] <bioterror> works like a charm
[06:50] <Error404NotFound> ive had better luck with windows than ubuntu
[06:51] <bioterror> ahhh I love when someone uses word than correctly
[06:51] <Error404NotFound> lol
[06:51] <bioterror> mostly people uses word "then" when they should say "than"
[06:51] <bioterror> I blame americans!
[06:51] <Error404NotFound> i gave up caring about proper spelling and use f words along time ago
[06:52] <Error404NotFound> im american
[06:52] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, me to lol
[06:52] <JackyAlcine> Lmfaooo
[06:52] <JackyAlcine> This made me crack up, oh man.
[06:52] <Error404NotFound> no wai
[06:53] <Error404NotFound> man i hate sony!
[06:53] <bioterror> I like my phone and my bravia
[06:53] <Error404NotFound> im talking playstation network
[06:54] <Error404NotFound> been down for weeks
[06:54] <bioterror> yes
[06:54] <Error404NotFound> im having battlefield withdrawls
[06:54] <bioterror> but you get two free games for PS3 and 4 for that portable device
[06:54] <Error404NotFound> who says>?
[06:55] <Error404NotFound> all they said was ps plus for like a month
[06:55] <Error404NotFound> and free dl's
[06:55] <bioterror> sony says
[06:56] <bioterror> but that's offtopic
[06:56] <Error404NotFound> im on their site now
[06:56] <bioterror> we can discuss about these things on #ubuntu-beginners-team
[06:56] <Error404NotFound> ive lived on this website since psn went down
[06:58] <bioterror> does it now make sense?
[06:58] <bioterror> oh
[06:59] <bioterror> Wed08:59 <+bioterror> does it now make sense?
[06:59] <bioterror> asdasdas
[07:02] <JackyAlcine> I need help; the latest version of compiz keeps crashing.
[07:02] <JackyAlcine> Is there a way for me to use a older version?
[07:02] <bioterror> disable it! ;)
[07:02] <Error404NotFound> id use a hammer
[07:02] <bioterror> I assume you're running 11.04, right JackyAlcine
[07:02] <JackyAlcine> No, I kinda need it to use/debug Unity.
[07:03] <keithtoo> what kind of crash?
[07:03] <JackyAlcine> It's a segmentation fault; each time.
[07:03] <JackyAlcine> Want a dump?
[07:03] <keithtoo> nvidia drivers?
[07:03] <JackyAlcine> And yeah; well I'm in the process of upgrading to.
[07:04] <JackyAlcine> And yeah.
[07:04] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, have you backtraced?
[07:04] <keithtoo> yep - been chasing that bug myself for the last 3 weeks
[07:04] <keithtoo> ends up in glcore.so
[07:04] <JackyAlcine> Hmm, never ran gdb on it.
[07:04] <bioterror> hahaha
[07:05] <bioterror> maybe you should?
[07:05] <bioterror> I would assume that as a developer you do that in the first place
[07:05] <bioterror> and then report it to launchpad
[07:05] <keithtoo> problem is that the old nvidia 270.x.x drivers got smashed with the natty upgrade
[07:06] <keithtoo> bet you can see the same error trying to run glxgears or glxinfo
[07:08] <keithtoo> funny that should be the topic I come in the room on... I'm going to reload Natty from the ground up and need some advice on partitioning
[07:09] <JackyAlcine> I'd use GParted as a GUI for partitioning.
[07:09] <keithtoo> I never set up a /home partition when I started running linux, what's a good size when I get started? How much room do I need to leave for /?
[07:09] <bioterror> depends what you
[07:09] <bioterror> 're doing
[07:10] <JackyAlcine> And bioterror, you're right about that one; I should have; but that's like running it on init to me. lol
[07:12] <keithtoo> how about single user - maybe a low level guest account. Running Ubuntu Studio. It's mostly home usage - some work
[07:13] <keithtoo> I have a 1T drive, so space isn't that big a deal yet
[07:13] <JackyAlcine> Lol, I'd just use about 100 gigs for home, just for kicks and giggles then.
[07:14] <keithtoo> only 100g?
[07:14] <keithtoo> My music collection is nearly 30g
[07:14] <JackyAlcine> Lol, I don't use much space; as a developer restricted to a USB stick; most of my files are just text files.
[07:14] <keithtoo> lol
[07:15] <JackyAlcine> Oh, I haven't any music stored locally; I use Last.FM now.
[07:15] <keithtoo> One of these days I'll work on making that play too... lol. Gahd I hate this last "upgrade"!
[07:16] <keithtoo> so.. you'd recommend giving /the lion's share of the drive then?
[07:17] <JackyAlcine> Well, it depends on how much space you're using. And I actually noticed something about Ubuntu installations.
[07:17] <Puck`> good morning
[07:17] <JackyAlcine> If you were to install over an existing installation; the /home folder is untouched.
[07:18] <keithtoo> only if it's in it's own partition though, right?
[07:18] <JackyAlcine> Nope! It can be on the same partition and the files would remain intact.
[07:19] <JackyAlcine> Ubiquity just removes /var, /etc, /usr and those folders.
[07:19] <keithtoo> ahh... nice to know
[07:20] <JackyAlcine> Very, especially if you like borking your system (like me) lol
[07:20] <keithtoo> unfortunately, I'm also fixing another mistake I made when I first loaded this machine... want to step up from 32 to 64 bit
[07:20] <keithtoo> I am a registered Bork Master - I have a certificate and everything
[07:21] <JackyAlcine> Oh man!! I was so confused last install, I installed a 64-bit kernel onto a 32-bit system and was confused as to why nVidia didn't want to work
[07:22] <keithtoo> that may have gone way over the top  ;)
[07:23] <JackyAlcine> I wanted it to work on 64-bit computers; since it's on a USB stick; I'd switch systems often.
[07:24] <keithtoo> lol - square peg and a round hole
[07:25] <JackyAlcine> the ultimate system! :D
[07:25] <keithtoo> yeah huh
[07:27] <keithtoo> On this install, I think I'm going to put XP back first. Need that for getting iPhone sw updates... and Netflix doesn't like linux either
[07:28] <JackyAlcine> Isn't Netflix based on Linux?
[07:28] <keithtoo> Nope - and they say there isn't enough demand for that to ever happen
[07:29] <keithtoo> at least their clients are windows/mac based
[07:29]  * JackyAlcine was going to comment but remembered that this channel is logged.
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[07:29] <keithtoo> don't worry - I said it many times when researching that issue myself
[07:30] <JackyAlcine> Lol, but I'd kick a cow for a printer atm; haven't had one since middle school. :x
[07:31] <keithtoo> heh - I have 2 now... one for the windows boxes I have running and one just for the linux boxes
[07:32] <JackyAlcine> Sweet :)
[07:33] <keithtoo> I didn't think so... another non-linux support thing that cost me some cash
[07:34] <drinsolito1> My keyboard won't work unless I activate in the Universal Access Preferences an option of "persistent keys"
[07:34] <JackyAlcine> Out of your own pocket?
[07:34] <drinsolito1> Help!
[07:34] <keithtoo> and Lexmark won't opens source their driver set no matter how much you beg
[07:35] <keithtoo> fresh setup drinsolito1?
[07:36] <drinsolito1> yep
[07:36] <drinsolito1> i just installed ubuntu 11.04 today
[07:36] <drinsolito1> i have a lenovo keyboard for an ideacentre
[07:37] <keithtoo> should work... did you mess with the keyboard setting in the install?
[07:38] <drinsolito1> nope.
[07:40] <drinsolito1> unless that option is activated i can't make key combinations like making a parenthesis
[07:40] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, run 'hwinfo | grep lenovo' in a terminal window and pastebin that for me, please.
[07:40] <JackyAlcine> Wait; is the delay too short or something then?
[07:40] <JackyAlcine> !paste
[07:40] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[07:41] <drinsolito1> hwinfo | grep lenovo doesn't do anything
[07:42] <JackyAlcine> Nothing appears, hmm.
[07:42] <JackyAlcine> Try increasing/decreasing the key repeat speed.
[07:43] <drinsolito1> lemme check it out
[07:43] <JackyAlcine> Did you enable Sticky Keys?
[07:43] <drinsolito1> it's enabled since without it the combinations would not work
[07:44] <JackyAlcine> Hmm. That's odd.
[07:44] <drinsolito1> for example ctrl + l doesn't work without sticky keys
[07:45] <JackyAlcine> Is it the only Accessibility feature under Keyboard enabled?
[07:47] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, ^
[07:47] <drinsolito1> yes
[07:49] <drinsolito1> i can't select multiple items for example pressing shift and then the arrows of directions. if i want to select a lot of files in a list i have to press "shift+down" every time instead of holding shift and pressing down
[07:50] <JackyAlcine> Wow; I think it's one of the following (but I'm not sure how to diagonise anything)
[07:50] <keithtoo> I'm seeing a ton of bug reports abouth Lenovo keyboards at launchpad right now
[07:51] <JackyAlcine> 1) the driver's borked (as many are with the new system)
[07:51] <JackyAlcine> 2) the gconf is screwed
[07:52] <drinsolito1> how can I fix it?
[07:52] <drinsolito1> if it's any of the two options you give me
[07:54] <keithtoo> can you see any errors in your xorg logs?
[07:54] <drinsolito1> how can I check that? i'm sorry i'm a super newbie
[07:55] <keithtoo> System > Admin > Log File Viewer
[07:56] <keithtoo> the one you want to look at is xorg.0
[07:57] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, every one of us are a noob at something ;)
[07:59]  * keithtoo especially
[07:59] <drinsolito1> thanks =)
[07:59] <drinsolito1> it's the same way in Unity?
[08:00]  * keithtoo hates Unity with a passion
[08:00] <keithtoo> They broke the cardinal rule of software engineering with Unity - If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
[08:01] <JackyAlcine> What wasn't broken?
[08:01] <JackyAlcine> Meh, Unity's merely a new path for Ubuntu, it's really an attempt to pull in new users.
[08:02] <keithtoo> Gnome-2 worked... the proprietary nvidia drivers worked....
[08:02] <JackyAlcine> Did you see Mark's keynote at UDS this Monday passed?
[08:02] <JackyAlcine> GNOME 3 doesn't comply to the Ubuntu way I guess.
[08:02] <keithtoo> gnope - it don't
[08:03]  * keithtoo made a funny  :D
[08:03] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[08:03] <JackyAlcine> Toss a 'g' in front of something; and it's GNOME-ware.
[08:03] <JackyAlcine> gfood, glife, gfun, gcalc
[08:05] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, in your case; I'd either search on https://bugs.launchpad.net for lenovo keyboard issues and either find a bug that describes your situation or file a new one.
[08:05] <keithtoo> they broke my system with the new upgrade too. By pulling support from the nvidia 270.41.06 drivers currently in use, I'm not sure I'll be able to even keep my system running 11.04
[08:05] <JackyAlcine> And mention the 'hack'/quick fix you're using; that way others can benefit and developers can see what's really going wrong.
[08:06] <MrChrisDruif> And I'm off again. See y'all soon (about 30 mins or so). Aloha!
[08:06] <keithtoo> I'd agree with Jacky there - a quick look pulled up a bunch of Lenovo problems
[08:07] <keithtoo> ls
[08:08] <keithtoo> oops - too many windows open
[08:08] <drinsolito1> thanks i'll check it out since i really don't know how to check the xorg
[08:17] <keithtoo> I'm off... time to rest up for install day tomorrow
[08:18] <keithtoo> later (or kLater if you like that environment better)
[11:38] <kristian_> hi all
[11:38] <kristian_> so, I got this 120 gb SATA super cheap w/no guarantees
[11:39] <kristian_> it seems that only 111 gigs is recognised, though... what could the explanation be?
[11:39] <bioterror> normal
[11:39] <kristian_> fdisk -l gives correct size (120 gb)
[11:40] <bioterror> sure it gives
[11:40] <kristian_> bioterror, yes, I understand there is some confusion/controversy
[11:40] <kristian_> but from 111 to 120 gb is something like 7 percent...
[11:46] <JackyAlcine> Was it gigabits or gigabytes?
[11:46] <JackyAlcine> kristian_, ^
[11:47] <kristian_> JackyAlcine, gigabytes
[11:47] <JackyAlcine> Well; they might have advertised it as gigabits.
[11:50] <JackyAlcine> My math's saying that it should be a 0.07% offset.
[11:50] <JackyAlcine> Unless there's a hidden partition.
[12:02] <duanedesign> hello all
[12:12] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha duanedesign
[12:34] <kristian_> JackyAlcine, hang on, I actually got the manual (!) for this hdd
[12:34] <JackyAlcine> Lol; alrighty.
[12:35] <kristian_> ah bugger, it's generic
[12:39] <kristian_> http://www.pricedbelowmarket.com/computer-parts-hardware-hard-disk-drives-hdd-western-digital-wd1200bevs-22ust0-scorpio-wd1200bevs-120gb-sata-15gb-s-5400-rpm.html
[12:39]  * JackyAlcine whispers to wifi "c'mon internet don't fail me now"
[12:41] <JackyAlcine> hmmm
[13:36] <coalwater> why can'
[13:37] <coalwater> cant't they fix nautilus already, the ftp thing, it disconnects
[13:38] <JackyAlcine> coalwater, not nautilus; that's the server's connection timing out.
[13:38] <coalwater> yea, but it should send a noop to keep connection alive
[13:39] <JackyAlcine> that could cause a security breach and what if you disconnect from the network? it'll constantly fail.
[13:41] <coalwater> idk, i found a bug on gvfs about it and it's dead, no one is paying any attention to it
[13:41] <coalwater> hi duanedesign
[13:41] <duanedesign> hello coalwater
[13:43] <coalwater> JackyAlcine, i end up using sftp because it could maintain the connection for long periods
[13:43] <JackyAlcine> GNOME = "if it's not my business; it will never be my business" :(
[13:49] <coalwater> JackyAlcine,  i don
[13:49] <coalwater> sigh, stupid enter key, was gonna say i dont get it
[13:50] <JackyAlcine> GNOME's a complicated system; and gvfs is considered trivial..
[13:51] <coalwater> yea, i branched it but i guess it was written in c
[15:02] <kristian_> JackyAlcine, still there?
[15:03] <kristian_> I got a 512 mb file, then copied it to the new hdd... md5sum says different things :(
[15:12] <coalwater> re copy it :D
[15:13] <head_victim> I prefer to use rsync when moving files of any size. Nice, simple and quick.
[15:16] <kristian_> hurm
[15:16] <kristian_> yeah, I could try with rsync... might be more exact
[15:18] <coalwater> head_victim, what's rsync
[15:19] <coalwater> !rsync
[15:19] <ubot2> rsync is a fast remote file copy and synchronization program - For more see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[15:19] <kristian_> coalwater, it is a super cool program to sync and move things
[15:19] <kristian_> the only "downside" is that it can do so many things that it can get confusing
[15:20] <head_victim> Nah no downsides at all, the man page is awesome and it's the simplest, most powerful way to move stuff from point a to point b.
[15:21] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[15:21] <head_victim> I use it for everything from downloading and syncing the entire ubuntu repository to doing regular backups of my system with cron
[15:21] <JackyAlcine> So I've been downloading and manually installing my packages
[15:21] <JackyAlcine> Think I might boot Debian Squeeze and see how it is.
[16:29] <Captainkrtek> hello geekosopher
[16:32] <geekosopher> Captainkrtek: hi
[16:32] <Captainkrtek> anything I can help with
[16:39] <stlsaint> Captainkrtek: hello
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> hi
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> Im actually about to run to work
[16:39] <stlsaint> cool
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> but if there is anything I can help you with email me
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> steven.richardspc AT gmail.com :)
[16:40] <Captainkrtek> gotta run, feel free to message with any Q's
[20:20] <raubvogel> How do I automount a user's homedir if it is in a smb share instead of, say, nfs?
[20:30] <bobweaver> ok I turned off all firewalls hope that that helps.
[20:32] <bobweaver> just tried to reimport it to ubuntu keyservers this is what I tried hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com
[20:33] <bobweaver> instead of the one that is there by default
[20:36] <kristian_> hi again
[20:36] <kristian_> so, I got GSmartcontrol for that damn hdd
[20:38] <kristian_> "Test aborted, cannot parse smartctl output: no ATA sections could be parsed. Check the self-test log for more information"
[20:39] <kristian_> however, I can't see any errors in the log
[20:46] <bobweaver> It worked must have been the firewall or the default key that is on ubunut 10.10 I know what I could work on
[20:49] <bobweaver> an asc2 armored encrypted text this is turning into fun :)
[21:39]  * kristian_ is back
[23:19] <kristian_> anyone else have a tip regarding the perhaps-faulty SATA hdd?
[23:19] <holstein> kristian_: ?
[23:19] <holstein> i would nail it down
[23:20] <holstein> test it*
[23:20] <kristian_> hey holstein
[23:20] <holstein> kristian_: o/
[23:21] <kristian_> holstein, I tested it with GSmartcontrol
[23:22] <holstein> whats the good news?
[23:22] <kristian_> first time, the test halted... second time, it finished and reported no errors
[23:22] <holstein> is it OK, or are you getting new hardware?
[23:22] <kristian_> I can't figure it out
[23:22] <holstein> no errors is good
[23:22] <holstein> whats the deal?
[23:22] <kristian_> I have copied a large file to it several times, then md5summed... I get different results
[23:23] <holstein> how did you copy?
[23:23] <kristian_> cp, rsync... now scp
[23:23] <holstein> what about the memory?
[23:23] <kristian_> it's horrible these days
[23:24] <holstein> i would run a ram test
[23:24] <kristian_> oh, on the computer... no reason to suspect it's bad
[23:24] <kristian_> waitaminute
[23:24] <holstein> thats a reason to suspect id say
[23:25] <kristian_> when I scp it more than once, I get the same md5sum afterwards
[23:25] <holstein> interesting
[23:25] <holstein> i think i would look into the testing setup
[23:25] <holstein> what file
[23:25] <holstein> how you made it
[23:25] <holstein> that could be flawed
[23:26] <kristian_> just a dummy file I found on the net
[23:26] <holstein> and making you think something is up
[23:26] <kristian_> to test download speed
[23:26] <holstein> where did you get the md5?
[23:26] <holstein> maybe you DL'd it, and got a bad image
[23:26] <kristian_> I just use "md5sum file.foo"
[23:27]  * holstein shrugs
[23:27] <kristian_> not the proper way around it, holstein ?
[23:27] <kristian_> hi MrChrisDruif
[23:28] <holstein> kristian_: nah, i got nothin
[23:28] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha kristian_
[23:30] <kristian_> wth... now it seems to work, if the md5sums are a proper way of testing
[23:30] <kristian_> this is super-weird
[23:30] <holstein> kristian_: i would think md5 should work
[23:31] <holstein> like you are trying to do it
[23:31] <kristian_> on Win, I think sometimes you have to reset a box a few times for changes to sink in... could this be that kind of thing
[23:31] <holstein> who knows
[23:31] <holstein> plausible i suppose
[23:32] <kristian_> this is one of those situations...
[23:32] <MrChrisDruif> md5sum? What's going on?
[23:33] <kristian_> I may have a faulty drive... a faulty dock (dirt cheap ebay thing)... faulty memory... faulty dock... or no trouble at all
[23:33] <kristian_> MrChrisDruif, I got a SATA hdd almost for free, from a broken machine
[23:34] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[23:34] <kristian_> I can live with it being broken, then I'll throw it out
[23:35] <kristian_> but I'd like to know so I don't waste my time, and so far my efforts have been futile


[07:16] <fnordahl> I'm diagnosing a autopkgtest failure that occurs for arm64 when ran in bos03, the test is not ran in bos02 due to missing cpu features, so presumably this is a difference in hardware or virtualization config.  Does anyone know the difference between the regions for arm64 instances specifically?  It would help narrow down my approach to reproducing and fixing the issue
[08:27] <fnordahl> nvm, I found a physical arm64 machine that reproduces the issue
[10:01] <Skia> fnordahl: great to see you found a reproducer. In any case, let me grab the cpu features on both DCs
[10:01] <Skia> bos02: fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 cpuid
[10:01] <Skia> bos03: fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 atomics fphp asimdhp cpuid asimdrdm lrcpc dcpop asimddp ssbs
[10:02] <Skia> there you go
[10:02] <Skia> don't hesitate to ping q_a-help (without underscore) when you have such infra-specific questions
[10:03] <Skia> we should probably mention that highlight in the topic, btw
[10:04] <fnordahl> thanks for your help, Skia !