[19:23] <hpagseddy_> Hi
[19:39] <hpagseddy> Is this channel still active?
[20:23] <sebsebseb> before this chcannel dies, or pretty much, since Ubuntu touch is about to die, no more updates
[20:23] <sebsebseb> ok a possible fork coming, but that doens't change this,,  if I do a fork later got to re flash anyway
[20:23] <sebsebseb> so uhmm I got a load of stuff on the Meizzu MX 4 some stuff on bq 4.5 even. that's photos, vidoeos, texts
[20:23] <sebsebseb> how to back up ?


[06:35] <andyrock> good morning
[06:54] <RAOF> smspillaz: I've just had gtk-window-decorator go totally insane and eat all my memory via mesa - bug #827818.  Anything you want from me?
[07:02] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:02] <mardy> Kaleo: hi, practical question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/757818 has been fixed in Bamf, should I mark it as fixed in unity-2d too? What is the correct procedure here?
[08:15] <Kaleo> mardy: you can mark it as committed in u2d as well, and then released when it is in bamf
[08:15] <mardy> Kaleo: ok, thanks
[08:20] <mardy> nerochiaro: hi, about bug 827673: in r672 the panel doesn't set a size policy on its widgets -- maybe that code just need to be removed from r673?
[08:22] <nerochiaro> mardy: i think that the problem is that the appname widget was setting its own policy before, and now i'm setting it globally, but i noticed i use a different policy. i'm gonna try and use the old one
[08:25] <mardy> nerochiaro: you are right, it was set to "Ignored". But then, unless we introduce a complex set of flags for the dconf schema, or we let the applets set their size policy (I vote for the latter, for the time being)
[08:26] <mardy> s/unless/either/
[08:27] <nerochiaro> mardy: what if if the expanding flag is set i just set the policy to Ignored instead of Expanding ? I mean, it would be exactly what was happening before, just moved to the panel manager
[08:28] <nerochiaro> mardy: the logic is not wrong, the only mistake was to use Expanding instead of Ignored
[08:28] <nerochiaro> mardy: i vote for just fixing that
[08:28] <mardy> nerochiaro: wouldn't make much sense...
[08:28] <nerochiaro> mardy: why not ? it was making sense before
[08:28] <mardy> nerochiaro: a better option IMHO is if the "!" flag means: "the size policy is set by the applet"
[08:28] <smspillaz> RAOF: gtk-window-decorator doesn't use mesa
[08:28] <smspillaz> RAOF: there is a memory leak however, I've got a fix for that
[08:29] <mardy> nerochiaro: actually no...
[08:29] <nerochiaro> mardy: the ! flag right now is used by something completely different
[08:29] <nerochiaro> mardy: i.e. leftmost only
[08:29] <mardy> nerochiaro: sorry, got confused with the "expanding" key
[08:30] <nerochiaro> mardy: but we can add a new flag that say "don't force a size policy on this applet" if you think it's better
[08:30] <mardy> nerochiaro: I just vote for removing that dconf key, it's useless and confusing now
[08:30] <mardy> nerochiaro: yes, "don't force a size policy on this applet" is better, but then why can you specify it for just one applet? It doesn't make much sense...
[08:32] <nerochiaro> mardy: right. so what about a new flag like ! that you can put on as many applets as you like and for all those applets the policy won't be forced ?
[08:33] <mardy> nerochiaro: that might be, but OTOH I don't see why we need it now
[08:33] <mardy> nerochiaro: now we can simply let all applets specify their size
[08:33] <mardy> nerochiaro: if we want to change it later, we can add the size information in the dconf file, and the panel will override the applet's size policy
[08:36] <nerochiaro> mardy: ok, i'll do that then. the only reason why i wanted the size policy to be in dconf is for flexibility and not having to hack the unity-2d code when we need something like, for example, a different size policy on the appname applet (for whatever reason).
[08:37] <nerochiaro> without having to hack the appname applet
[08:37] <nerochiaro> but i'm ok not having that flexibility for now, it's not something OEM needs right now
[08:38] <mardy> nerochiaro: yep. But then we'll probably need something more complex than just a choice between Ignore and Fixed (we might want Expanding, MinimumExpanding, etc)
[08:38] <mardy> nerochiaro: so it's better to wait till we have some requirement, and then design a schema that could accomodate all
[08:39] <nerochiaro> mardy: agreed. let's just remove it for now and let each applet set its own policy. in this case are you ok for having the base applet class set the default policy to MinimumExpanding and then other applet override it (for example appname will have Ignored)
[08:39] <nerochiaro> ?
[08:40] <nerochiaro> mardy: and i mean Fixed when i said MinimumExpanding :)
[08:41] <mardy> nerochiaro: sure, seems reasonable
[08:41] <mardy> nerochiaro: see, that that class is useful ;-)
[08:41] <nerochiaro> mardy: it was like that before anyway ;) ok. i'm going to do that and then push an MR for you, if you're ok reviewing it
[08:42] <mardy> nerochiaro: sure, great :-)
[09:22] <mardy> Kaleo: you can now use my address @canonical.com, it will help me to keep the e-mails in the right folder :-)
[09:23] <nerochiaro> mardy: https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/unity-2d/panel-size-policy-up-to-applets/+merge/71829
[09:29] <mardy> nerochiaro: cool! :-) I approved and added one unrelated note; if you are still modifiying that file, you might want to add that check in, too
[09:30] <nerochiaro> mardy: i'll have to submit another MR for that, but it can be done if you want to
[09:30] <nerochiaro> mardy: i still have the file open ;)
[09:31] <mardy> nerochiaro: if you don't mind, I think it could save us some trouble in the future, when 3rd parties will write their plugins :-)
[09:31] <nerochiaro> mardy: however it's a bit useless i think, because if you call addWidget(0) Qt will not crash or do anything stupid, just not add any widget
[09:32] <mardy> nerochiaro: ah, I didn't know
[09:32] <mardy> nerochiaro: then let's forget about it
[09:32] <nerochiaro> mardy: actually I have not tried, but seems reasonable they do check their pointers
[09:32] <nerochiaro> ok
[09:32] <mardy> nerochiaro: let me have a quick look, I've the qt sources somewhere here...
[09:33] <nerochiaro> mardy: ok, i'm curious too now
[09:33] <nerochiaro> mardy: but i have faith in your former colleagues
[09:35] <mardy> nerochiaro: ah, actually that addWidget is a method of Unity2dPanel
[09:35] <mardy> nerochiaro: ok, it goes back to Qt anyways...
[09:37] <mardy> nerochiaro: oh, nope :-) *w is the widget being added, and they do w->parentWidget() before any checks :-)
[09:37] <mardy> nerochiaro: so better check for it in unity-2d
[09:39] <nerochiaro> mardy: ok, i'll add the check and the trolls lose a few points
[09:40] <mardy> :-)
[09:45] <nerochiaro> mardy: https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/unity-2d/panel-check-valid-applet/+merge/71834
[09:48] <ephan> I have a question
[09:48] <ephan> How can an applet be invalid?
[09:49] <nerochiaro> ephan: if the plugin just return NULL for whatever reason
[09:49] <ephan> Hm
[09:49] <ephan> Thanks, I sort of understand
[09:51] <mardy> ephan: it's not really something that we expect to happen, but if we don't do that check, the panel will crash and then enter a crash loop (because it's auto restarted)
[09:51] <andyrock> jaytaoko, hi
[10:05] <ephan> Anybody on Unity 4.8 can test something quick for me?
[10:10] <davidcalle> ephan, I can help
[10:11] <ephan> davidcalle, can you open the dash, enter some text, then do Ctrl+A and Ctrl+X (so select all, and then cut)
[10:11] <ephan> On Natty (Unity 3.8) I get a weird symbol
[10:12] <davidcalle> Ctrl+A works, but Ctrl+X (or +C  or +V) inserts a symbol
[10:12] <ephan> Thanks davidcalle, I guess that's a bitesize bug
[10:12] <davidcalle> I guess it is.
[10:12] <ephan> reporting
[10:14] <ephan> I'll also check the code and see if I can fix it
[10:14] <davidcalle> ephan, thanks :)
[10:35] <andyrock> ephan, about ctrl+something
[10:36] <andyrock> is an already reported bug
[10:36] <ephan> yes?
[10:36] <ephan> Hm, when I reported it didn't warn me of anything, can you give me ID so I can mark it as duplicate?
[10:37] <andyrock> ephan, Omer already reported it as a duplicate
[10:37] <ephan> ah thanks
[11:00] <RAOF> DBO: I hope you're fixing bug #825029 in the next release, because it's driving me *insane*
[11:08] <om26er> smspillaz, Hi! around? Would it be fine if I close unitydialog related bugs for now?
[14:57] <cdbs> njpatel: https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/unity/software-center-integration-for-o/+merge/71905 Some parts are implemented, managed to workaround the tooltip trouble by adding a subroutine
[14:58] <cdbs> njpatel: Thanks a lot for helping! No need to get down and merge that branch straight away, take your time, it can land up till UI freeze
[14:58] <cdbs> which is 8 days away IIRC
[15:05] <njpatel> cdbs, thanks, DBO some coolness
[15:05] <njpatel> [up arrow]
[15:07] <DBO> ?
[15:07] <DBO> njpatel, ?
[15:09] <njpatel> DBO, cdbss branch linked above
[15:09] <DBO> OH
[15:10] <DBO> excellent
[16:45] <jjohansen> is there a design document to why unity alt-tab behaves the way it does?
[18:08] <smoser> i apologize for my ignorance
[18:08] <smoser> current(ish) oneiric in Unity. when i click on the date in the top left , it brings up a calendar
[18:09] <smoser> previously, in that calendar i could click the arrows to go see other months
[18:09] <smoser> that seems broken now
[18:09] <smoser> (and for quite some time for me inoneiric)
[18:09] <smoser> i'd open a bug, but i dont really even know what package that thing is , or what it is
[18:17] <jjohansen> smoser: yeah that one really bothers me too, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/807509
[18:19] <smoser> thanks for the link jjohansen
[18:48] <sbte> tedg, hi, is there anything else I have to do to get my indicator-messages patch committed?
[18:49] <tedg> sbte, Nope, actually going through code reviews right now :-)
[18:49] <sbte> tedg, ok, great
[18:55] <nhaines> tedg: when you're done with important things (like code reviews) I hope I can ping you to ping someone about Ubuntu business card artwork.  :)
[18:56] <tedg> nhaines, Hmm, did that never come out?  :-/
[18:56] <tedg> nhaines, I thought that doctormo made some, no?
[18:56] <nhaines> tedg: no, I never heard back from ivanka and then I waited for the release to settle and then she fled.  :)
[18:57] <tedg> nhaines, She's in SF right now, if you can catch her ;-)
[18:57] <nhaines> tedg: doctormo's design... let's just say isn't very consistent with the branding guidelines.
[18:57] <nhaines> Haha, the airport's just 30 minutes away. ;)
[18:57] <tedg> nhaines, Let me ask around and see who might have it.
[18:57] <nhaines> Less, actually.
[18:58] <nhaines> tedg: you're golden.  Thanks so much!  :)
[18:58] <tedg> nhaines, She's doing the whole thing on motorcycle... so airports aren't much use :-)
[18:58] <nhaines> tedg: they might be for me though!  I'd rather play 3DS for 45 minutes than drive for 7, hehe.


[15:23] <rick_h> ~ /topic
[15:23] <rick_h> bah
[15:23] <rick_h> adeuring: sorry for the late relief
[15:25] <wolfgangb_> mthaddon: Hello, me again. It seems we are blocked again (I contacted you a couple of times two weeks ago). This time we are back to normal number of users, just two or three from the same IP address.
[15:26] <wolfgangb_> Could it be a problem with our versions of bazaar and bazaar explorer that locks are being kept too long?
[15:26] <mthaddon> wolfgangb_: yeah, we saw 365 established connections from your IP address earlier today and it brought the service to it's knees
[15:26] <mthaddon> s/it's/its/
[15:27] <wolfgangb_> there was only one person today that should have used it from our IP address
[15:29] <mthaddon> wolfgangb_: so I think we *really* need to figure out what's going on here, and I'm not really sure of the best way to do that
[15:31] <wolfgangb_> mthaddon: the one person that used bazaar today said it worked fine initially and then later he got the timeout. He uses versions bzrlib 2.4.2, bzr explorer 1.2.1.
[15:36] <rick_h> wolfgangb_: I'll check the logs and look into it. It'll take a few
[15:38] <wolfgangb_> rick_h: Thanks. Do let me know if you want us to update to a certain bazaar version. I am on bzrlib 2.3.4 and bazaar explorer 1.1.4. One colleague mentioned that he found the newer version a bit unstable so I haven't upgraded yet.
[16:11] <rick_h> wolfgangb_: so wonder if you can pass along some info for me
[16:11] <wolfgangb_> yes, I can try
[16:11] <rick_h> wolfgangb_: can you pass along the .bzr.log files for the users?
[16:11] <rick_h> either via pastebin or you can email them to me
[16:11] <rick_h> email in a PM
[16:12] <rick_h> we can take a peek and see if anything jumps out as possible bugs
[16:12] <wolfgangb_> will send it to you
[16:12] <rick_h> wolfgangb_: ty
[16:13] <deryck> rick_h, I'll take IRC now, though obviously you're still helping wolfgangb_
[16:13] <rick_h> deryck: thanks
[16:21] <mgz> hey all.
[16:21] <rick_h> hey mgz wolfgangb_ is having the issue
[16:22] <rick_h> I've got longs on the way, but I want to make sure I ask any other really smart questions while he's available
[16:22] <rick_h>  /longs/logs
[16:22] <mgz> two main things I'm curious about wolfgangb_:
[16:23] <mgz> 1) how you're working with remote launchpad branches. are you treating it as a central server with bound branches? running any other commands like the graphical log against lp: as well as just local branches?
[16:24] <mgz> 2) what symptoms you get if any (before getting booted) for too many connections, and if you're all affected or it's just some of you who end up with lots of ssh connections.
[16:26] <rick_h> wolfgangb_: what is the username of the user/connection?
[16:27] <rick_h> the logs haven't shown up yet so I can see there
[16:32] <wolfgangb_> mgz: 1) I am not the expert in this area (can only ask him tomorrow). Launchpad is our central server and the branches are shared repositories we think.
[16:33] <wolfgangb_> mgz: 2) symptoms are that it just stops working at some point with a timeout. Then this seems to affect all of us the same (who are on the same IP subnet)
[16:34] <mgz> wolfgangb_: no problem. the logs should help here regardless.
[16:35] <mgz> thanks for persisting :)
[16:35] <rick_h> ok, logs have arrived
[16:35] <wolfgangb_> mgz: I am not often rebooting my computer. Could this cause connections to stay open. However, I normally close and reopen bzr explorer regularly during the day.
[16:35] <rick_h> I'll forward these to mgz  and start going through them. Thanks wolfgangb_
[16:35] <wolfgangb_> thanks again
[16:36] <mgz> wolfgangb_: no, it doesn't seem like it's anything that could be caused by your individual workflow, or lots more people would have similar issues
[16:37] <mgz> one last thing: do you use any plugins apart from the normal ones that get bundled with bzr? running `bzr plugins` will give you a full list.
[16:40] <mgz> wolfgangb_: also, 'Plugin-ins' under the 'Bazaar' menu in explorer has the same info
[16:41] <wolfgangb_> mgz: It is probably just the normal bundle. automv, bzrtools, colo, explorer, extmerge, fastimport, launchpad, loom, netrc_credential_store, news_merge, pipeline, qbzr, rewrite, svn, upload, xmloutput
[16:42] <mgz> yup, that's typical looking, thanks.
[16:43] <rick_h> mgz: forward the email with logs to you. The one log that's just .bzr.log shows the connections denied. The other one doesn't have anything form today
[16:43] <mgz> thanks rick_h
[17:10] <mgz> okay, those logs are really useful, and both users have the same mad ssh forking symptom with paramiko
[17:11] <wolfgangb_> I'll be offline in a minute
[17:11] <wolfgangb_> can check the chat again tonight or tomorrow morning then
[17:12] <mgz> I'll catch up with you tomorrow then, thanks
[17:12] <wolfgangb_> ok, thanks
[17:23] <LinuxApprentice> hi
[17:23] <LinuxApprentice> is this the channel MSP430 launchpad?
[18:07] <james_w> are the download buttons on https://launchpad.net/lazr.config visually broken?
[18:09] <mgz> not in lynx
[18:09] <rick_h> hah
[18:09] <mgz> what?
[18:09] <rick_h> james_w: the 6% padding does seem excessive.
[18:10] <mgz> looks like the circle with the down arrow might want a bit more padding
[18:10] <rick_h> wonder if that was meant to be 6px or something
[18:10] <mgz> yeah, that seems likely
[18:38] <james_w> for me the highlight doesn't span the whole rectangle, and isn't rounded
[18:48] <rick_h> james_w: what browser?
[18:48] <james_w> firefox
[18:49] <james_w> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/selection015.png/
[18:52] <rick_h> james_w: ah, that's the fancy web2.0 button looking crazy due to how large it is.
[19:00] <abentley> deryck: My turn
[19:01] <deryck> abentley, thanks, sir!
[19:44] <pmatulis> if someone has attached what consitutes a 'plugin', is that considered a patch as far as l/p attachments are concerned?
[19:45] <dobey> pmatulis: if it's a completely new plug-in, it should probably be packaged as a separate source package. example?
[19:46] <pmatulis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kupfer/+bug/628940/comments/6
[19:46] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 628940 in kupfer "Session Management plugin for LXDE" [Wishlist,New]
[19:46] <pmatulis> dobey: ⤴
[19:48] <dobey> pmatulis: well, it's up to the owner of the project to decide how to deal with it. given the trunk branch is owned by ~vcs-imports, i'm guessing that launchpad isn't where patches are supposed to get submitted
[20:06] <pmatulis> oh well
[21:45] <fst8r12> how can i register my nickname
[21:47] <dobey> what do you mean?
[21:47] <dobey> on launchpad?
[21:48] <fst8r12> no on irc nick name
[21:49] <fst8r12> is there any irc nick reg channel?
[21:53] <beuno> fst8r12, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[21:53] <beuno> although it has nothing to do with launchpad  :)
[21:54] <dobey> fst8r12: appropriate channel for freenode questions would be #freenode
[21:54] <fst8r12> yes i losted  :)
[21:54] <dobey> this channel is about http://launchpad.net/
[21:54] <dobey> if you need help with irc, or your nickname registration, you should ask in one of the freenode channels


[10:11] <jamespage> gnuoy`, can you point me at the mojo spec used for bug 1506287
[10:11] <jamespage> ?
[10:11] <mup> Bug #1506287: ceph-disk: Error: Device is mounted: /dev/sdb1 (Unable to initialize device: /dev/sdb) <openstack> <uosci> <ceph (Juju Charms Collection):New for james-page> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506287>
[10:12] <gnuoy`> jamespage, sure if you look at the spreadsheet it's column B
[10:12] <jamespage> gnuoy`, branch for specs?
[10:12] <gnuoy`> jamespage, ~ost-maintainers/openstack-mojo-specs/mojo-openstack-specs
[10:12] <jamespage> brain still in seattle atm
[10:22] <jamespage> gnuoy`, beisner: fwiw I suspect some sort of systemd race type thing for the ceph errors in vivid and wily
[12:58] <plars> Good morning
[13:00] <plars> 2015-10-15 20:07:39 ERROR juju.worker.resumer resumer.go:69 cannot resume transactions: document is larger than capped size 1939208 > 1048576
[13:00] <plars> I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1454891 which seems to be the same error I'm getting, but supposedly it's fixed a long time ago?
[13:00] <plars> I'm on 1.24.6-0ubuntu1~15.04.1~juju1 from the stable ppa
[13:00] <mup> Bug #1454891: <IP_ADDRESS>, mongo: document is larger than capped size <landscape> <mongodb> <juju-core:Fix Released by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Committed by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454891>
[13:00] <plars> any ideas?
[13:38] <admcleod-> mbruzek: any luck with your cert problem?
[13:39] <mbruzek> admcleod-: yeah I got it working.  The cert I posted in the channel here was not expired, but I was getting tls errors because of an expired cert
[13:39] <mbruzek> admcleod-: I don't know how I got it, and I don't know how I fixed it.
[13:40] <admcleod-> oh. weird.
[13:41] <mbruzek> yeah thanks for following up
[15:36] <Muntaner> hello guys
[15:37] <Muntaner> I'm having a bootstrap problem
[15:37] <Muntaner> anyone can help me?
[15:40] <Muntaner> I get this error
[15:40] <Muntaner> caused by: Get http://controller:8774/v2/1e20e71ea2ee4ed2baa337e147c211df/servers/750311f9-b2f5-4300-be14-95a824fd23b4: dial tcp: lookup controller: no such host
[15:41] <Muntaner> seems like the vm isn't able to resolve controller
[15:41] <Muntaner> which is a <IP_ADDRESS> in my LAN
[15:41] <Muntaner> how can I workaround this?
[15:43] <lazypower> Muntaner, this sounds like a DNS issue. which provider is this?
[15:43] <Muntaner> it is openstack lazypower
[15:43] <Muntaner> it is a private openstack installation, all-in-one, running on my <IP_ADDRESS> address
[15:43] <Muntaner> (server address)
[15:43] <Muntaner> can I pass dns infos to juju bootstrap so that it solves controller with that ip?
[15:44] <lazypower> Not that I'm aware of
[15:44] <lazypower> 1 sec, let me get my coffee and ponder on this for a moment
[15:48] <lazypower> Muntaner, can your workstation resolve the hostname controller?
[15:54] <Muntaner> lazypower, sure
[15:54] <Muntaner> it can
[15:55] <lazypower> weird
[15:55] <lazypower> it shouldn't have any issues bootstrapping then
[15:55] <lazypower> can i see the full output of your bootstrap command?
[15:56] <Muntaner> lazypower, sure
[15:56] <Muntaner> lazypower, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12800082/
[16:04] <Muntaner> lazypower, any ideas? :) i'm quite lost
[16:04] <lazypower> Muntaner, 1 sec i'm in a meeting
[16:05] <Muntaner> ok lazypower sry
[16:05] <lazypower> no worries :) context switching like crazy today
[16:11] <Muntaner> lazypower, solved it by changing API endpoints into openstack ;)
[16:33] <lazypower> Muntaner, :thumbsup: glad you got it sorted
[17:03] <cholcombe> in reactive how does leader election work?
[17:39] <lazypower> cholcombe, the same as it does in non-reactive
[17:39] <lazypower> cholcombe, is_leader and leader_set are in charmhelpers.core.hookenv
[17:40] <cholcombe> lazypower, ok cool i was hoping that was the case
[18:04] <Icey> are there good documentation on starting a new charm that will install something from a deb and then setup config when a relation changes?
[18:04] <Icey> with the reactive pattern?
[18:05] <luqas__> hi lazypower, I'm apuimedon colleague, I've just finished testing the midonet charms, they should be ready for review, the last patches of https://code.launchpad.net/~lezbar will be merged into https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor
[18:18] <lazypower> Icey, the vanilla charm is a great example and its in the docs
[18:18] <lazypower> 1 sec and i'll get you a link
[18:18] <Icey> http://pythonhosted.org/charms.reactive/
[18:18] <Icey> and https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-composing
[18:18] <lazypower> Icey, https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-composing
[18:19] <Icey> are what I'm looking at :)
[18:19] <Icey> thanks lazypower
[18:20] <lazypower> Icey, stay tuned to the list, i'll be posting vlogs on reactive pattern charming next week
[18:20] <Icey> I'm trying to write a really basic charm to go with some monitoring stuff cholcombe and I are working on :)
[18:22] <lazypower> OH
[18:22] <lazypower> YOUR ICEY
[18:22] <Icey> :)
[18:22]  * lazypower lightbulbs
[18:22] <lazypower> was nice hangin with ya last week virtually :D
[18:22] <Icey> one and the same :)
[18:22] <lazypower> er, thi week
[18:22] <Icey> heh yea
[18:22]  * lazypower is fried from sprints
[18:22] <Icey> no worries :)
[18:22] <Icey> building a subordinate charm for https://github.com/influxdb/telegraf
[18:22] <Icey> basically, you can attach it to any other charm and get system metrics  into influxdb :)
[18:23] <Icey> is the idea anyways :)
[18:23] <lazypower> i like this
[18:23] <lazypower> +1
[18:23] <Icey> but, I figure I should try to write it in the reactive pattern :)
[18:23] <lazypower> the only 2 things you need to start is a metadata.yaml and a composer.yaml (or layers depending on branch of charm tools)
[18:23] <lazypower> the rest is just reactive/foo.py
[18:23] <lazypower> and "magic"
[18:24] <lazypower> Icey, i can hop on a hangout real quick to get you started if you want
[18:24] <lazypower> i'm basically EOW at this point
[18:24] <Icey> sure
[18:24] <lazypower> so, whats another 10 minutes :)
[18:24] <Icey> that would be awesome :)
[18:24] <lazypower> linky?
[18:24] <lazypower> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/reactive-overlords
[18:26] <lazypower> cholcombe, ^


[00:12] <jcastro> booya
[00:12] <jcastro> do you hear that?
[00:12] <jcastro> that's the sound of a DYING WORK ITEM
[00:22] <jono> jcastro, jcastro :)
[00:22] <jono> oops
[00:22] <Pici> Don't say it three times!
[00:29] <jono> jcastro!
[00:29] <jono> lol
[01:09] <jcastro> jono: have you booted into your natty/unity key today?
[01:22] <jono> jcastro, I did earlier
[01:22] <jono> compiz kept crashing for me
[01:42] <duanedesign> jcastro: how did it work for you?  it == unity
[01:45] <duanedesign> it was launching both gnome-panel and unity for me. I edited gconf - /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list and removed panel and it works well now.
[01:48] <duanedesign> i went ahead and put it all back after i was done playing around. I figured i would let the devs fix it. Dont want my hacks causing trouble down the road. :)
[02:29] <jcastro> duanedesign: update to the lastest
[02:29] <jcastro> to like, within the last 2 hours
[02:29] <jcastro> it doesn't launch the other crap now behind the unity stuff
[02:29] <jcastro> duanedesign: make sure your mirror isn't behind
[02:29] <jcastro> jono: same advice
[02:30] <jcastro> jono: they redid the autohide to slide into the left side of the screen, quite cool
[02:34] <jono> Technoviking, ping?
[02:34] <jono> jcastro, oh cool will update unity
[02:34] <jono> jcastro, I thought it always slid into the left?
[02:34] <jcastro> no
[02:34] <jono> it worked for me yesterday
[02:35] <jcastro> for 2 weeks it's been a placeholder animation that rolled up into the logo
[02:35] <jono> odd it worked for me yesterday
[02:35] <jono> strange
[02:35] <jcastro> also, the BFB no launches /usr/share/applications
[02:35] <jcastro> oh maybe it landed earlier than when I tried it?
[02:35] <jcastro> also, ask me what BFB means in unity!
[02:35] <jcastro> Big Freaking Button, aka, the logo
[02:36] <duanedesign> jcastro: thank you sir
[02:39] <jono> jcastro, the BFB launches what?
[02:40] <jcastro> jono: nautilus in /usr/share/applications
[02:40] <jcastro> it's a poor man's app launcher
[02:40] <jcastro> it did the same thing early in 10.10 alphas
[02:41] <jcastro> jono: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/unitya1.png
[02:51] <jcastro> ah bummer, my first compiz crash
[02:59] <jono> jcastro, ahhh cool
[02:59] <jono> useful for now until the app lens lands
[03:00] <jcastro> indeed
[07:11] <dpm> good morning all
[07:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:30]  * jussi grunts in the direction of the channel
[08:00] <kim0> Morning folks
[08:05] <dpm> heya kim0
[08:05] <kim0> dpm: heya :)
[08:14] <kim0> dholbach: o/
[08:18] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:18] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:18] <kim0> howdy
[08:19] <dholbach> kim0, how cold/warm is it in Cairo now? :)
[08:20] <kim0> dholbach: it's ~ 20 Celsius
[08:20] <dholbach> kim0, NICE
[08:21] <kim0> yeah .. it's perfect weather
[08:21] <kim0> loving it
[08:23] <dholbach> -10°C, feels like -20,2°C here
[08:23] <dholbach> the canal is frozen now
[08:23] <kim0> ew
[08:23] <kim0> :)
[08:24] <dholbach> I said to to the Berliners already: tomorrow I could iceskate to work :-P
[08:24] <kim0> well at least that's good :)
[08:38] <dpm> hey dholbach, don't break a leg!
[08:39] <dholbach> I'll try not to :)
[08:39] <dholbach> hey dpm :)
[09:14] <duanedesign> good morning
[09:16] <jussi> huomenta
[09:31] <duanedesign> hey there jussi
[09:43] <jussi> dholbach: around?
[09:43] <dholbach> jussi, yes, but heading out for a few mins - just let me know how I can help and I'll get back to you
[10:13]  * popey tickles dholbach whilst he's out
[10:13] <dholbach> I'm back again :)
[10:33] <czajkowski> Peeka booo
[10:52]  * popey jumps out of his skin
[10:56] <czajkowski> popey: how's the kids? enjoying the snow ?
[11:20] <popey> they haven't been out in it
[11:20] <popey> well, sam might have yesterday at his nannys (my mum) but I think they stayed indoors and made cakes
[11:20] <popey> he loves cooking
[11:20] <popey> (just like his dad
[11:22] <czajkowski> aww nice
[11:22] <czajkowski> has therealpopey started the new positon ?
[11:23] <popey> not yet, but she's going in for some induction or something
[11:23] <czajkowski> good stuff
[11:23] <czajkowski> she all excited or nervous
[11:23] <popey> very excidted
[11:23] <popey> -typos
[11:23] <popey> this means that she'll be making packed lunches for her so I'll probably get them
[11:23] <czajkowski> :)
[11:23] <popey> although thinking about it, I'll probably end up making them
[11:24] <czajkowski> that's really good news!
[11:24] <popey> (she doesn't make very good (i.e. full) sandwiches - I make awesome ones)
[11:24] <popey> yeah, saves a bit of money on lunch too
[11:24] <czajkowski> nods
[11:25] <czajkowski> I got a chicken tika slice at station this morning for lunch 1.50 soo damn tasty
[11:25] <czajkowski> gave up wating for lunch was starving
[11:25] <czajkowski> really need to eat a breakie in the morning
[11:26] <popey> :)
[11:26] <popey> \o/ marmite on toast
[11:26] <popey> breakfast of kings
[11:26] <czajkowski> oddball
[11:26] <czajkowski> marmite is evil
[11:45] <daker> kim0, what should i put on the menu "Screencasts" or "Tutorials" ?
[11:49] <AlanBell> marmite > maple syrup on bacon
[11:52] <dholbach> I can't find the quote right now, but there was some US senator who once said "if immigration was about culinary aspects, I'd probably let everybody in but not the English" :-P
[11:53] <kim0> daker: I think Screencasts .. coz that's what they are
[11:53] <daker> kim0, ok
[11:53] <popey> \o/ excellent
[11:54] <duanedesign> <.< >.>
[12:04] <daker> kim0, want pictures ? http://imgur.com/OfD0P.png
[12:04] <daker> kim0, http://imgur.com/Np2Od.png
[12:04] <kim0> :)
[12:04] <kim0> daker: hmm looks yummy :)
[12:04] <kim0> daker: Awesome work man
[12:05] <kim0> daker: that's pure django right
[12:05] <daker> pure pure
[13:03] <dholbach> duanedesign, you rock!
[13:03] <czajkowski> dholbach: whenn is your next video cast?
[13:03] <dholbach> next week
[13:04] <czajkowski> cool
[13:04] <nhandler> Gah, looks like we'll probably have another flop and have to cancel that LoCo Day.  Someone with an accesebility issue had a real tough time yesterday signing the CoC
[13:11] <duanedesign> i think the screencst would help with some of those issues.
[13:17] <czajkowski> duanedesign: when you get that done can you give me a shout please
[13:19] <duanedesign> czajkowski: absolutely
[13:25] <czajkowski> duanedesign: thank you
[13:27] <dholbach> kim0, ubuntucloud has 1313 tweets?
[13:27] <dholbach> holy cow
[13:37] <dinda>  /join #quickly
[13:37]  * dinda hates it when I make public mistakes, argh
[13:37]  * dholbach hugs dinda
[13:39]  * czajkowski hugs dinda
[13:40] <czajkowski> dinda: if that';s the worst mistake you make, trust me you're fine!
[13:40] <czajkowski> could be a lot worse!
[13:40] <dinda> thanks czajkowski - I haven't had my first sip of coffee yet, that's my excuse
[13:41] <dinda> there should be a rule against IRC-ing b4 proper caffeine
[13:41] <JanC> it's worse if you do that with commands that include passwords  ;)
[13:41] <Pici> Hrm.  Looks like the rss link on planet.ubuntu.com is typoed.  Should I file a bug in ubuntu-website, or is there a better place to mention it?
[13:42] <dinda> Pici: file a bug so it can be tracked easily
[13:43] <duanedesign> popey: ping
[13:45] <popey> duanedesign: pong
[13:46] <duanedesign> good day popey. I was working on upgrading the screencast site and i had a couple questions i wanted to see if you cpou;d help with?
[13:51] <jussi> you know something funny :D "Nätti" in Finnish means "pretty" ... so you could almost say that natty should be pretty :)
[13:55] <kim0> dholbach: how do I see that
[13:56] <dholbach> kim0, twitter.com/ubuntucloud
[13:56] <kim0> dholbach: is 1313 good or bad :)
[13:57] <kim0> bad omen squared :)
[13:57] <dholbach> much, not good or bad :)
[13:57] <kim0> hehe, that account existed before me btw
[13:59] <dholbach> still you're tweeting like a madman :)
[15:03] <paultag> jussi, hiyya :)
[15:03] <jussi> o/
[15:03] <paultag> jussi, you're looking quite Natti today
[15:03] <jussi> lol
[15:47] <jono> hey all
[15:48] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:49] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:49] <kim0> howdy o/
[15:50] <jcastro> 10 minutes?
[15:54] <dholbach> jcastro, yep, and I think we should all boycott skype this time (hello Jono!) :-P
[15:54] <kim0> but feeling dirty is good sometimes
[15:55] <dholbach> what is this channel coming down to...?
[15:55] <kim0> hehe
[16:01] <dholbach> dpm, jono, kim0, jcastro: ready? :)
[16:01] <jcastro> I am ready!
[16:01] <kim0> ready
[16:01] <jcastro> I am always ready!
[16:01] <dpm> \o/
[16:01] <jono> one sec, seeing if I can make mumble work better
[16:02] <jono> lol, won't even run now and crashes mutter
[16:02] <jono> sorry dholbach
[16:02] <jono> skype it is
[16:02] <jcastro> heh
[16:02] <jono> kim0, jcastro, dholbach, dpm let's roll
[16:04] <jcastro> can you guys hear me?
[16:04] <jcastro> one sec
[16:04] <dholbach> jcastro, muted your mic?
[16:05] <jcastro> one sec
[16:09] <czajkowski> robbiew is a brilliant chair of meetings, like his idea of a lightning round. people give what seems to be a one liner on what they've done
[16:28] <dholbach> alright my friends - I'm calling it a day
[16:28] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day
[16:28] <dholbach> and I'll walk back home through the biting cold - see you!
[16:29] <czajkowski> dholbach: toodles
[16:30] <paultag> So, I'm thinking of doing a new blog series where I debunk Ubuntu myths
[16:30] <paultag> anyone have some popular misconceptions?
[16:31] <dholbach> "Is it true that Jono and Jorge have been arguing about which Metallica album has been the best for 3 hours?"
[16:31] <czajkowski> you';re not grumpy at all
[16:31] <czajkowski> :p
[16:31] <dholbach> ... oh wait
[16:31] <paultag> dholbach, :)
[16:32] <dholbach> see you :)
[16:32] <paultag> dholbach, Tscuss :)
[16:32]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:34] <jono> paultag, sounds like a great series :)
[16:35] <paultag> jono, I stopped going to reddit because they had this twisted view of what was going on. I'll let you know if any of the posts turn out worthwhile :)
[16:35] <paultag> I'm just asking fluxboxers why they hate Ubuntu, I'll get a few pages of dirt to go through
[16:39] <jono> thanks paultag
[16:39] <jono> a few myths could include:
[16:40] <jono>  * Ubuntu has ditched GNOME
[16:40] <jono>  * You have to be a programmer to participate in Ubuntu
[16:40] <paultag> jono, great, thanks :)
[16:40] <jono>  * The Ubuntu/Debian relationship is tense
[16:41] <paultag> jono, I have Ubuntu / Canonical in there right now as well ( @ubuntu == @canonical )
[16:41] <paultag> jono, as well as "n00buntu"
[16:41] <jono> cool
[16:42] <paultag> jono, if you have anything you'd like me to include ( already added the 3 above ), let me know
[16:42] <jono> thanks, pal! :)
[16:42] <jono> paultag, and keep up the great work, you are rocking :-)
[16:43] <paultag> jono, cheers, thanks :)
[16:43] <czajkowski> paultag: you shown jono locolint?
[16:43] <JanC> paultag: popular myth: "Ubuntu is only for noobs and not for serious linux users"  ;)
[16:43] <paultag> czajkowski, nope. It's still a bit buggy :)
[16:43] <paultag> JanC, Yes! :)
[16:44] <jono> JanC, oooh good one
[16:45] <jcastro> paultag: I love myths!
[16:46] <paultag> jcastro, I could so photoshop you as adam and jono as jamie
[16:46] <jcastro> hah
[16:46] <czajkowski> paultag: aww you should
[16:46] <czajkowski> :)
[16:46] <jono> paultag, haha
[16:46] <jono> would be awesome
[16:46] <jono> and disturbing
[16:46] <jcastro> I heard someone call Unity "lock in" the other day because other distros don't have it
[16:46] <jono> which is always the best
[16:47] <jono> man, this wikileaks shit is bonkers
[16:47] <paultag> jcastro, rock on, good to review f/oss every once in a while
[16:51] <nisshh> oh man, the weather here is at that screwed up point right before summer, where the days are 35C or more and the nights a darn cold :|
[16:52] <nisshh> are*
[16:53] <JanC> jcastro: I don't know about public Unity releases, but in some cases we could do better with making stuff available to other distros though (I'm thinking about the murrine window decoration engine for example, which wasn't properly released for a long time, and Ubuntu used an VCS checkout)
[16:54] <jcastro> all the ayatana bits come out as tarballs
[16:54] <nisshh> jono, you dont strike me as someone who would read wikileaks :)
[16:54] <jcastro> the murrine thing, poke Cimi I guess to do it right?
[16:55] <JanC> jcastro: there was a release not long ago, but it was a long time before that, and lots of peopel complained about the "secret changes" needed to use themes designed on/for ubuntu in other distros
[16:57] <jcastro> hmm
[16:57] <nisshh> paultag, oh, i have one "you need to know how to use the terminal in order to use Ubuntu"
[16:58] <daker> kim0, http://i.imgur.com/UgxxL.png
[16:58] <paultag> nisshh, mmmhum! cheers!
[16:58] <jono> nisshh, I don't read wikileaks, just facinated by the story
[16:58] <jono> and now interpol have an arrest warrent out for assange
[16:58] <nisshh> jono, ah, ok
[16:58] <duanedesign> jono: oh yeah i just heard that
[16:58] <nisshh> paultag, although that one is more of a generic linux myth i guess :)
[16:59] <paultag> nisshh, :)
[17:05] <JanC> it's still a good one to debunk
[17:12] <duanedesign> yeah i am suprised at how many people I hear say that. 'Oh Linux has a GUI now?'
[17:12] <Technoviking> jono: belated pong
[17:13] <jono> Technoviking, ahhh I am good, unping
[17:13] <jono> :)
[17:13] <jono> jcastro, try unity.ubuntu.com now
[17:13] <jono> you should have full access
[17:13] <Technoviking> sorry was in Oracle hell the last week days
[17:14] <Technoviking> s/week/few
[17:22] <jcastro> jono: ALRIGHT!
[17:22] <jcastro> I am in!
[17:28] <vish> JanC: there are no secret changes for themes, if someone knows how to write a theme they can just check out the xml and figure it out.. only when they dont know they spread such rumours just because the theme dint work in their application ;)
[17:29] <vish> JanC: if they are starting to learn to write themes, then murrine is bad :)
[17:29] <JanC> vish: no, the themes didn't work with the last reelased version of murrine
[17:30] <JanC> only with the version packaged in Ubuntu or when you compiled it yourself from git
[17:30] <JanC> there was a release of murrine in late September though
[17:30] <vish> JanC: yea, changes were made and the new options are mentioned in the light-themes..  where murrine is bad is, its poorly documented.. but thats the way it has always been, :)
[17:30] <vish> Cimi was lazy even before he worked for Canonical ;p
[17:30] <JanC> so it's not an issue anymore
[17:31] <JanC> lol
[17:31] <JanC> well, he should release at least once every 6 months
[17:32] <jono> jcastro, :)
[17:32] <vish> JanC: if someone is having trouble with murrine , ask them to have a look at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Murrine  … its not complete, but folks are trying to fill it there..
[17:37] <jcastro> jono: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/673257
[17:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673257 in unity (Ubuntu) "Please consider renaming the Unity desktop to avoid naming conflict with Unity Linux (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Triaged]
[17:37] <jcastro> jono: I found a spot on the about page to put that link
[17:37] <jcastro> what do you recommend as text?
[17:38] <jcastro> something like "this is about unity the desktop, for information about Unity Linux go here"
[17:38] <jcastro> but something that sounds better
[17:40] <vish> i wonder who came up with the name 'Unity'  ;)
[17:43] <vish> that bug is odd!! bug was filed on 2010-11-10  but the first comment is on 2010-11-09 !!!
[17:43] <Pici> Its one of the connecting modules on the ISS.
[17:45] <vish> Pici: nah, was wondering who named ours as 'Unity'
[17:53] <jcastro> cjohnston: thanks for all the unity bug reports, they were very useful
[17:53] <jcastro> I've now fixed them all except one
[18:34] <jcastro> sense: ok so they started filing bitesize unity bugs
[18:34] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[18:34] <sense> jcastro: Good!
[18:35] <jcastro> if you want to do one as an example that would be <3
[18:35] <sense> jcastro: I would love to, but until next week I am not available at all.
[18:35] <jcastro> no rush
[18:35] <sense> ok :)
[18:35] <jcastro> I suspect this list won't be too awesome for another week
[18:35] <sense> yeah, it needs to grow a bit
[18:35] <sense> I'll keep an eye on it.
[18:35] <sense> jcastro: We weren't accepting paper cuts for Unity, right?
[18:35] <sense> Or are we?
[18:36] <jcastro> I am not sure, I assume so?
[18:36] <sense> I was wondering how much of this can be added to the One Hundred Paper Cuts project.
[18:36] <jcastro> well, papercuts are bitesize
[18:36] <sense> Unity wasn't our main focus, but we don't have a policy of rejecting Unity-related cuts.
[18:36] <jcastro> so yeah, why not?
[18:37] <sense> Might be a nice way to inflate our paper cut statistics! :P
[18:37] <sense> I'll see how much of those bugs will qualify as a paper cut.
[18:38] <sense> jcastro: When will quicklists come back to Unity?
[18:38] <sense> I think I might give adding quicklists to Transmission a try. Would be a nice showcase.
[18:38] <jcastro> sense: do an update. :)
[18:38] <jcastro> the tomboy ones are working for me
[18:39] <sense> Gwibber is not.
[18:39] <jcastro> sense: you don't need to add them to transmission, the menu from the appindicator just becomes the quicklist
[18:39] <sense> Tomboy is working.
[18:40] <sense> jcastro: Then I can take a look at the menu to see if it is looking fine, and maybe extend it a bit.
[20:06] <sense> Gotiens: http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Meetings/Meeting20101210 Ik heb vier punten toegevoegd aan de agenda.
[20:06] <sense> whoops
[20:06] <sense> nvm
[21:59] <czajkowski> jono: ready when you are
[21:59] <jono> czajkowski, wrapping a call
[21:59] <czajkowski> lovely jubbly
[21:59] <czajkowski> just buzz when ready my dear
[21:59] <jono> will do :)
[22:00] <JFo> bzzzzzzzzz
[22:00] <JFo> oh sorry
[22:00] <JFo> he wasn't ready
[22:01] <JFo> :)
[22:01] <czajkowski> JFo: ello, you all better?
[22:01] <JFo> yes and no
[22:01] <JFo> it seems I am getting a cold now
[22:02] <JFo> but much much better than I was
[22:02] <czajkowski> I read that as getting old
[22:02] <czajkowski> but getting a cold is far worse
[22:02] <czajkowski> :)
[22:02] <JFo> and the cold is due to my heat being broken
[22:02] <JFo> hah
[22:02] <JFo> that too
[22:02] <JFo> :)
[22:02] <czajkowski> whats up with the heating...
[22:03] <czajkowski> I could hug Charlie from IS, he makes things sooo flipping simple!
[22:03] <JFo> fan motor decided it didn't need those bearings after all
[22:03] <JFo> very old system
[22:03] <JFo> so the part has to be ordered
[22:03] <JFo> and once it gets here I'll be all set
[22:03] <JFo> this house is well insulated
[22:04] <jcastro> fan for what?
[22:04] <JFo> it was freezing in here yesterday and it was steaming outside
[22:04] <JFo> jcastro, fan for my heater
[22:04] <jcastro> ouch
[22:04] <JFo> yeah
[22:05] <JFo> I was worried at the sound it was making
[22:05] <JFo> it is a gas system after all
[22:05] <jcastro> ah
[22:05] <jcastro> . o O (Glad I rent )
[22:05] <JFo> so do I :-D
[22:05] <JFo> oh landlord!
[22:06] <JFo> but I have put that on my list of items to consider when considering the purchase of this house
[22:07] <maco> well now itll be fixed *before* you buy :D
[22:07] <JFo> the fan will, but the old system will still be there :-/
[22:07] <JFo> so that would be about $2K to replace if I buy
[22:08] <jcastro> I am getting antsy and want a house
[22:08] <JFo> on an unrelated note... have I mentioned lately how much I looooove cron?
[22:08] <jcastro> so I can do cool projects
[22:08] <JFo> heh
[22:08] <JFo> you will et over that jcastro :)
[22:08] <JFo> get*
[22:09] <JFo> I remember when I used to want to do cool projects on my house
[22:09] <jcastro> heh
[22:09] <JFo> :)
[22:09] <JFo> j/k
[22:09] <JFo> I miss owning my home
[22:09] <JFo> almost said "owning my hope" made me lol
[22:10] <jcastro> heh
[22:10] <jcastro> Like for example, I got a boxee, and like, this place has no ethernet wiring
[22:10] <jcastro> if I had my own place I could have rocking drops in every room, etc.
[22:10] <JFo> yeah, I really was looking forward to rewiring my house for network
[22:11] <JFo> my friend has the best setup
[22:11] <JFo> he bought a huge roll of this bundled wire
[22:11] <JFo> has 4 ethernet 2 phone and 2 fiber
[22:11] <JFo> in a big wire
[22:11] <jcastro> ah, they call that something
[22:11] <JFo> he did drops to all his rooms, even the bathrooms
[22:12] <jcastro> ah dude
[22:12] <jcastro> siamese cable
[22:13] <jcastro> I was looking at that
[22:13] <JFo> oh, tv coax was the other
[22:13] <jcastro> http://www.broadbandutopia.com/lede2x2xteco.html
[22:13] <jcastro> yep
[22:13] <jcastro> 4 drops, but that's one honking cable
[22:13] <JFo> yea, his was huge
[22:13] <vish> yay fun times in -testing :D
[22:13] <JFo> luckily he put the stuff in while they were building his house
[23:22] <jcastro> hey paultag
[23:22] <jcastro> myth #3: Ohio is a great place to live
[23:22] <paultag> yo j
[23:22] <paultag> erm, jcastro
[23:22] <paultag> jcastro, OSU Michigan what?
[23:23] <jcastro> dude I went to MSU, we won this weekend
[23:23] <jcastro> normally I cheer for OSU during that game, but I needed UM to show up if we had any chance at a Rose Bowl
[23:23] <paultag> ha!
[23:23] <jcastro> and as always U-M didn't fail to deliver failure.
[23:24] <paultag> jcastro, as usual, in the "great" "state" of Michigan
[23:25] <paultag> jcastro, dude, zach@debian commented on my blog
[23:25] <paultag> jcastro, that was pretty awesome
[23:31] <paultag> jcastro, I did the first post in the myths series ( and just wrote up #2 ) -- http://twitter.com/#!/paultag/status/10113531747762176
[23:34] <jcastro> I saw
[23:34] <jcastro> good job
[23:43] <paultag> I feel like it came off a bit anti-canonical
[23:43] <paultag> which I did not intend
[23:47] <pleia2> paultag: fwiw, it didn't sound anti-canonical to me
[23:47] <paultag> pleia2, thanks :)
[23:47] <paultag> pleia2, How are you?
[23:52] <pleia2> I have a cold :(
[23:52] <paultag> shucks, bbl. work time
[23:52] <paultag> pleia2, oh no :(
[23:52] <pleia2> later
[23:52] <paultag> pleia2, get better!
[23:52] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:52] <paultag> pleia2, be back in 3 hours or so


[00:59] <marcoceppi> kurt_: pong
[01:00] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: still having issues with sharing code between hooks?
[01:01] <ZonkedZebra> took a break. settled on sourcing a file with common functions. Yay/Nay?
[01:02] <kurt_> marcoceppi: are you familiar with the ceph deployment stuff on charms?
[01:02] <kurt_> that is my next project
[01:02] <kurt_> add ceph to openstack
[01:02] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: that works fine, are you writing those in bash or another language?
[01:03] <ZonkedZebra> bash
[01:03] <marcoceppi> kurt_: I have pretty much very little experience. I've deployed ceph and ceph-osd as part of a demo openstack setup, but didn't dig very far
[01:03] <marcoceppi> kurt_: I'm happy to field any questions I can though
[01:04] <kurt_> marcoceppi: ok.  I'm just in the research stage.  if you have any cliff notes or anything you wish to share short of jamespage's cephaloid thing, I'd be appreciative.
[01:04] <kurt_> the RTFM stage if you will
[01:05] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: cool, so you can't explicitly call relation-* commands out-of-band (IE, during hooks that aren't relation hooks). This is because Juju sets extra environment variables to make those tools work. Mainly JUJU_RELATION_ID. So if you wanted to call relation-get say during a config-changed hook, you can, but you need to record the JUJU_RELATION_ID somewhere and call `relation-get -r $JUJU_RELATION_ID <unit> <key,>`
[01:05] <ZonkedZebra> marcoceppi: Alright, thanks
[01:06] <ZonkedZebra> Is writing charms in other languages discouraged at all?
[01:07] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: what I recommend instead, as that can get complicated, is during the relation-(joined,changed) hooks, when you get values you need write them to dot files in the $CHARM_DIR, for instance, the wordpress charm does with when it gets NFS data it puts it in a file in $CHARM_DIR then runs hooks/config-changed which checks for that file then sources it for the values http://bazaar.launchpad.
[01:07] <marcoceppi> net/~charmers/charms/precise/wordpress/trunk/view/head:/hooks/nfs-relation-changed
[01:07] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: not at all, the beauty of charms is they can be written in any language. To my knowledge we have bash/dash, python, ruby, and chef charms. Someone tried writting a charm in php but I think they gave up
[01:08] <marcoceppi> Use whatever language you/people deploying the service are comfortable with
[01:08] <ZonkedZebra> Am I responsible for installing the required interpreter during the install hook?
[01:08] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: at this time, yes
[01:09] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: there's discussions of having pre-required packages described in the metadata.yaml file, but for the time being you'll need to use a language available on all ubuntu machines (pretty much python or bash) to set up your dependencies
[01:09] <ZonkedZebra> So what envs are possible with the install hook? (What is install on the base image)
[01:09] <ZonkedZebra> Alright. For the record I vote reps in metadata.yaml
[01:09] <ZonkedZebra> deps*
[01:10] <ZonkedZebra> I hope NSA monitoring can handle typos
[01:10] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: I'm a little against that, personally, I'd rather see hooks/setup or something similar. A hook that is only run once, but the decision isn't up to me :)
[01:11] <ZonkedZebra> What is the best way to install something on all machines? I had to do a bit of hacking to get mosh running properly.
[01:11] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: a subordinate would be one way
[01:12] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: you mean within juju or just in general?
[01:13] <ZonkedZebra> In general. Built in would be cool. juju mosh unit/0. I like how that felt
[01:15] <ZonkedZebra> Where can I find the list of things that are set during the hooks, like CHARM_DIR and HOME?
[01:19] <ZonkedZebra> I guess I can just debug-hooks and dump it
[01:19] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: debug-hooks is the way to go, it might be in the docs though
[01:19] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: juju has plugins, so you could totally do a mosh plugin
[01:20] <ZonkedZebra> Where is the docs on the plugin system?
[01:20] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: drafted on my computer, but they're pretty straight forward, you just put a file called juju-<plugin> in path
[01:21] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: there's a juju-plugins project on LP that I started which will eventually pacakged a lot of common plugins together you could add it to
[01:22] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: I really thought we had the environment variables documented :\
[01:22] <ZonkedZebra> Nope :(
[01:22] <ZonkedZebra> a couple of them are, randomly :)
[01:22]  * marcoceppi makes notes to fix this
[01:27] <ZonkedZebra> marcoceppi: is there a functioning example somewhere in the juju-plugins repo?
[01:28] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: yeah, I wrote it in Python, so it's structured a little differently since I wanted to be able to test it like a python app
[01:28] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/juju-plugins/trunk/view/head:/plugins/juju_test.py
[01:29] <marcoceppi> it's actually the worst example ever, because it's a really involved plugin
[01:29] <marcoceppi> but it's the only one I've written so far
[01:30] <ZonkedZebra> interesting, looked like part of the testing harness at first glance
[01:30] <marcoceppi> ZonkedZebra: it's seperate, it basically just runs all the files in tests/
[01:31] <marcoceppi> the testing harness, amulet, was designed to be independent of the test plugin, so people arent' forced to use it for writing tests
[01:31] <ZonkedZebra> Yep, figured it out when I hit __name__ == '__main__'
[01:34]  * marcoceppi disappears for a while
[04:24] <alexrockz> Hey guys!
[04:49] <alexrockz> Hi
[04:49] <alexrockz> How is everybody
[04:57] <alexrockz> I'm bored
[06:10] <alexrockz> Hi guys
[06:53] <marcoceppi> alexrockz: hello
[08:52] <alexrockz> Hi everybody
[08:54] <alexrockz> Anyone like Ubuntu here?
[08:55] <alexrockz> 'cause i do
[08:55] <alexrockz> I used to have it on my Windows 7 laptop
[08:55] <alexrockz> Then i un-installed it 'cause it was taking up my memory
[08:55] <alexrockz> Didn't use it anymore
[08:56] <alexrockz> So i got a new laptop
[08:56] <alexrockz> It runs Windows 8
[08:57] <alexrockz> I was hope for a big computer with 500 GB
[08:57] <alexrockz> (Giga-Bytes)
[09:08] <alexrockz> No comment huh?
[09:08] <alexrockz> ok
[18:04] <Diegonat> hi?..
[18:04] <Diegonat> i have this error while trying to use openstack caused by: the configured region "RegionOne" does not allow access to all required services, namely: compute, object-store
[18:11] <marcoceppi> Diegonat: does your user have access to compute and object-store? Can you launch instances from the dashboard?
[18:29] <Diegonat> yes i can
[18:29] <Diegonat> marcoceppi, sto usando
[18:29] <Diegonat> admin
[18:39] <Diegonat> fixed
[18:39] <Diegonat> no not really
[18:40] <paulczar_> how do delete the environments cache of a charm that I'm developing?   getting tired of doing an environment-destroy every time I change something
[18:48] <alexrockz> Hi everybody!
[20:41] <_mup_> Bug #1232547 was filed: When Trying to Deploy on ec2 I get "no instances found" <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232547>
[20:46] <AskUbuntu> Juju errors when trying to deploy to ec2 | http://askubuntu.com/q/351269


[01:54] <gnewme> Hi, I am fairly new to gnome-shell.  It seems the extensions I've enabled do not persist across sessions. Is this fixable?
[02:01] <gnewme> bbiab
[02:05] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm doing a bit of research for the Ubuntu doc team and I'd like to be accurate in the information I provide. I use Kubuntu, and the yelp-tools package isn't installed in here by default. Is it in Ubuntu GNOME?
[02:06] <SonikkuAmerica> littlegirl: Yes, it is installed by default.
[02:06] <SonikkuAmerica> !info yel
[02:06] <SonikkuAmerica> !info yelp
[02:07] <SonikkuAmerica> !info yelp saucy
[02:07] <littlegirl> SonikkuAmerica: Thanks! That helps me to be more accurate. (:
[02:07] <SonikkuAmerica> littlegirl: You're welcome. yelp is the GNOME Help Viewer.
[02:07] <littlegirl> SonikkuAmerica: Oh, that's the yelp package. I mean the yelp-tools package. Is that one installed by default?
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> littlegirl: Yes. (I !info'ed the wrong package.)
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> !info yelp-tools
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Also 3.8.1 in 13.10
[02:09] <littlegirl> SonikkuAmerica: Oh, thank you! Good to know! (:
[05:18] <czarcasm> Hey everyone, I heard a rumor that the development team might end up short on people and I want to know how to help.  Does anyone know how that would work?
[05:27] <SonikkuAmerica> czarcasm: Well, start out by reading amjjawad's post on ubuntugnome.org
[05:29] <SonikkuAmerica> czarcasm: Then request to join the appropriate Launchpad team
[05:30] <czarcasm> Thanks, sorry if  I could have learned that on my own.
[17:41] <neops> yop


[01:36] <evon> Is there a sound editing program that will allow me to load tracks and play them individually with the click of a button?
[01:56] <evon> Is there a sound editing program that will allow me to load tracks and play them individually with the click of a button?
[04:02] <holstein> evon: hey
[04:02] <holstein> do you want to play sound files? or edit them?
[04:02] <holstein> i mean, VLC'll play em with a click of a button
[04:02] <holstein> almost any player will play them with a click of a button... the play button
[04:03] <holstein> audacity is the usual 'starter' editor, and its quite nice
[04:03] <holstein> audacity pulls audio files in and converts them to its own format though
[04:03] <holstein> but, you click the play button, and they play
[04:04] <holstein> typically not in a playlist kind of set-up that i feel you are looking for
[04:04] <holstein> anyways... im here, and if im not when you get back, feel free and elaborate over in #opensourcemusicians :)


[09:59] <mdke> morning all
[21:02] <technomensc2> hey Matt.....
[21:06] <mdke> technomensc2: hi
[21:07] <mdke> my irc client hilights on Matt, but in general, best to use people's nicknames to make sure they see you callin
[21:07] <technomensc2> ::nod:::
[21:07] <technomensc2> understood
[21:09] <technomensc2> hope you don't mind, but I bumped up the category to tag on our to do list and linked to it from the mian wiki todo list
[21:10] <mdke> no, that's great, thanks
[21:10] <technomensc2> From the looks of things, we might be able to completely remove discontinued and noparent by the end of today
[21:11] <mdke> cool
[21:11] <technomensc2> the lengthy part will be categorydocumentation, and integrating them into the main help wiki
[21:11] <technomensc2> as well as the clenaup effort
[21:12] <technomensc2> it looks liike duncan has been tagging like a mad person :)
[21:14] <mdke> hmm, I can't see that on RecentChanges. I wonder if something is wrong with it
[21:14] <technomensc2> before I touch anything, have you been working on moving the wiki team stuff to the wiki.???  I vaguely remember hearing you say something about it
[21:15] <mdke> yeah, but I'm still turning it over in my mind a bit
[21:16] <technomensc2> want me to leave it alone then rather than do the move?  I was thinking it might be easier to do the move after the links for the categories have been fixed up
[21:16] <mdke> well, I'm not sure whether some pages should stay in the help wiki or not
[21:17] <mdke> also, how to handle potential broken links
[21:17] <technomensc2> I would think items, maybe like the todo list, should be moved, and who the docs team is, but items like the tags, formatting, and style, those are debatable as to which they belong in
[21:17] <technomensc2> :::nod:::
[21:18] <technomensc2> broken links will be a pain
[21:18] <mdke> oh, the tags and WikiGuide can't really be moved
[21:18] <technomensc2> understood
[21:18] <technomensc2> that would affect the backend coding, I'm guessing
[21:19] <mdke> well, the Tag system relies on being in the same wiki as the pages they are used on
[21:19] <technomensc2> what I'm wondering is if we should come to some idea/conclusion on what to do with the hardware before we have people moving, editing, updating, and changing the wiki content/tags
[21:20] <technomensc2> it might save us time, effort, and energy
[21:20] <mdke> I don't think one depends on the other, they strike me as unrelated.
[21:21] <technomensc2> allow me to explain.....we have a LOT of articles that are tagged for cleanup, expansion, moving, etc within wiki.
[21:21] <technomensc2> all hardware related
[21:21] <technomensc2> why move/alter them twice or three times
[21:21] <technomensc2> iesp if we decide not to keep them in the wiki at all
[21:21] <mdke> well, there is a big difference between pages which describe how to get a particular piece of hardware working
[21:22] <mdke> and pages which just tell you if something is supported or not (which is what I understand the "separate website" idea to be)
[21:22] <mdke> or have I misunderstood?
[21:22] <technomensc2> we hadn't come to any agreement or discussion about it.
[21:23] <mdke> let me put it another way
[21:24] <mdke> rewrite the last parenthesis as (which is what I understand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport to be)
[21:24] <mdke> it's certainly not true that documents about hardware have *no* place on the help wiki, of course they do
[21:24] <technomensc2> I agree completely.....
[21:25] <mdke> but information about whether hardware works or not, and no more, is what could be hived off onto a separate website
[21:25] <mdke> that would just be a database with a nice front end
[21:25] <technomensc2> and it might even allow the dev/qa to get better bug info?
[21:25] <technomensc2> who knows
[21:26] <mdke> yeah, definitely
[21:26] <technomensc2> should I just send an email to their mailing list?
[21:26] <mdke> yeah, that's the way to go. The idea would be to drum up some interest in making that sort of database/website
[21:27] <technomensc2> kk
[21:31] <mdke> bbl
[21:31] <technomensc2> kk
[22:09] <duncan-nz> Does anyone know what the 'Ubuntu Style Guide' is? I've found a few things but nohting which looks like what's refered to here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag#Style%20cleanup%20required
[22:10] <nellery> duncan-nz, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide
[22:23] <duncan-nz> So it's okay if I change the page to refer to the 'Documentation Style Guide' and link it to there?
[22:30] <nellery> duncan-nz, that would be a good idea
[22:34] <duncan-nz> OK, will do.
[22:47] <technomensc2> mdke, you back?
[22:47] <mdke> yeah
[22:49] <technomensc2> For some reason, I had the spur of an idea and was curious as to your thoughts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home/PageDiscussion
[22:53] <mdke> technomensc2: well, I prefer the existing layout I think. But you could put the idea to the developers I suppose: the main changes are to the structure of their teams
[22:56] <technomensc2> well, like you pointed out, I learned from the mistake I made with the community home page by making it a page discussion instead :)
[22:56] <mdke> heh
[23:24] <technomensc2> YO, rocket...
[23:27] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: ^
[23:27] <Rocket2DMn> hi what
[23:28] <mdke> I think that technomensc2 was trying to attract your attention
[23:28] <Rocket2DMn> it would help if he used my whole name, good timing too, i literally just sat down (going back and forth from the TV)
[23:29] <mdke> 21:07:09 < mdke> my irc client hilights on Matt, but in general, best to use people's nicknames to make sure they see you callin
[23:29] <technomensc2> LOL.  rocket2dmn....the pages that you are marking for deletion with tags
[23:29] <mdke> technomensc2: you need to use the whole nickname
[23:30] <technomensc2> are you removing the "category" link too?
[23:30] <mdke> and if you press "TAB" while typing, your irc client should complete the name for you
[23:30] <technomensc2> unless I'm using pidgin, which kinda sucks for irc :)
[23:30] <mdke> surely TAB works on pidgin too?
[23:31] <technomensc2> well whatcha know
[23:31] <technomensc2> learned something new
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, no i havent switched pages previously marked with CategoryDeletion to using tags, since they can just ... be deleted
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> the pages i marked with Tags i dont think ive really removed from categories
[23:31] <technomensc2> well, the reason I would recommend removing the tag....is so we don't double work
[23:31] <technomensc2> I mean...removing the category link
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> ah, well if you see a Deletion tag, its a dead giveaway
[23:32] <Rocket2DMn> you hav ea specific example?
[23:32] <technomensc2> yea, but I'm going down the link of pages linked to categorydeletion
[23:32] <technomensc2> I had one a moment ago
[23:32] <technomensc2> when I find it, I'll let ya know
[23:33] <technomensc2> but I've been removing the links so that we know how many pages we have left, or not
[23:33] <Rocket2DMn> everything in CategoryDeletion can just be deleted (unless the page says DONT DELETE)
[23:33] <Rocket2DMn> i dont see a lot of point in switching pages already marked with CategoryDeletion over to the Deletion Tag
[23:34] <Rocket2DMn> since thye are just going to be wiped out
[23:34] <technomensc2> actually, we first have to go through them to make sure they don't break any other links
[23:34] <technomensc2> the tagging right now is just to get rid of the cateogry
[23:34] <Rocket2DMn> i think most of the pages in CategoryDeletion are safe to be deleted, i didnt personally mark all of them tho, so no guarantees
[23:35] <technomensc2> agreed
[23:37] <Rocket2DMn> lets chat in 1/2 hour technomensc2 , im finished watching Tombstone :)
[23:46] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, ping
[23:48] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G - why did you add those tags?  and why did you clean off CategoryThirdPartySoftware CategoryWindows
[23:49] <technomensc2> ooops.  I was getting a little quick on the trigger finger I guess.  I didn't realize I removed those categories.  sorry about that
[23:49] <technomensc2> and it had the cleanup category, and I couldn't judge which one on a glance
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> it wasnt on categorycleanup....
[23:50] <technomensc2> I was only removing the categorydeletion, categoryexpansion, and categorydocumentation labels
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> ah you ran into b/c of categorydocumentaiton
[23:50] <technomensc2> ::nod:::
[23:51] <technomensc2> I had a couple of tabs open at once.  need to slow down.....
[23:52] <technomensc2> I had just finished cleaning up the tags/categories for category deletion, and in the process of just putting the right tags on for "expansion"
[23:53] <technomensc2> I would like to see categoryexpansion, categorydeletion, and categorynoparent either bet fully transferred to the tag system, or deleted hopefully within the next 48 hours.
[23:58] <Rocket2DMn> looks like duncan is using categrydeletion as well as the tag
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> either way, i wouldnt bother trying to wipe out categorydeletion, technomensc2 .  mdke or another damn just needs to find the time to take care of those pages


[11:46] <urilockz> i got permanently banned for printing in colour a dogs face on a mans body
[11:46] <hitmanWilly> remember in 1984 how they would watch people through their tv sets?
[11:46] <elite101> it would be cool to install kubuntu to a server drive then sign in as windows pc and it runs kubuntu on the drive
[11:46] <hitmanWilly> the book
[11:46] <elite101> TV?
[11:46] <uga> elite101: well, it's a way to wipe out everything. I thought that's what you wanted? =)
[11:46] <elite101> lol
[11:46] <uga> rixxon: well, it's a way to wipe out everything. I thought that's what you wanted? =)
[11:46] <uga> sorry, wrong link
[11:47] <rixxon> uga: nope
[11:47] <uga> or nick
[11:47] <hitmanWilly> well, computer monitors hadn't been invented yet
[11:47] <elite101> :D i could ruin the whole system @ school/welland lib
[11:47] <elite101> lol
[11:47] <elite101> TV :P
[11:47] <terrestre> this laptop connect to internet throw a pc, the pc is my gateway. but my ip is the same like the pc, i just cant get in the laptop throw ssh because my ip is the pc ip. and idea?
[11:47] <rixxon> uga: i have kubuntu, installed ubuntu-desktop, now I don't want it.
[11:47] <rixxon> i want clean kubuntu.
[11:47] <uga> oh hum...
[11:47] <urilockz> remove kubuntu-desktop?
[11:47] <elite101> sudo apt-get KDE
[11:47] <elite101> lol
[11:47] <rixxon> urilockz: other way around, you must mean
[11:47] <urilockz> ubuntu*
[11:47] <urilockz> xD
[11:47] <Zeke> Is there anyone here that can give me a hand with a wireless card
[11:48] <rixxon> yea, tried that. removes like 20 kb. tried apt-get autoremove after that, removes nothing.
[11:48] <hitmanWilly> rixxon, sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove
[11:48] <urilockz> i use all *buntu's (except edu)
[11:48] <rixxon> hitmanWilly: well, tried that.
[11:48] <hitmanWilly> oh, nm :)
[11:48] <rixxon> :(
[11:48] <elite101> edu sucks* :D
[11:48] <terrestre> if you install ubuntu-desktop with aptitude you can easy remove with aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop if not, search in google a long list of packages to remove ubuntu desktop
[11:48] <elite101> well i gotta go guys i have to go now lol only like 10mins left on my time :P
[11:48] <elite101> bye
[11:48] <ScorpKing> !wireless | Zeke
[11:48] <Ubotu> Zeke: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:48] <drewmister> what editor u guys like on kubuntu?
[11:49] <drewmister> xemacs?
[11:49] <ScorpKing> kate
[11:49] <terrestre> !ubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <Ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[11:49] <hitmanWilly> drewmister, vim
[11:49] <elite101> *im getting my p4-900Mhz sony duron CPU/Vaio PC later on like next week i can finally use my own computer*
[11:49] <elite101> its for free so hey*^
[11:49] <ScorpKing> vi rules :)
[11:49] <elite101> lol better than AMD k6 asus i was using
[11:50] <Zeke> I've gone through that install document there I don't know how many times today. Until a few moments ago it didn't tell me that I had an invalid driver, it does now. So I have messed something up
[11:50] <elite101> my uncle is getting it for me since i installed his radio/cdplayer in his car :P
[11:50] <drewmister> man vi is hard... i been using that for configs and let me tell you productivity cut in half since my gentoo emacs
[11:50] <elite101> bye
[11:50] <ScorpKing> Zeke: what is the error?
[11:50] <ScorpKing> bey
[11:50] <hitmanWilly> drewmister, you use emacs and think vim is hard? wow...
[11:51] <drewmister> i had to see what the crave was about this ubuntu, i have been a gentoo self configured compiler for a while
[11:51] <Zeke> ScorpKing: after running ndiswrapper -l it tells me inffile : invalid driver!
[11:51] <ScorpKing> drewmister: http://www.washington.edu/computing/unix/vi.html and http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html
[11:51] <hitmanWilly> drewmister, i still am :)
[11:52] <drewmister> the gui installation went soo smothe, i can at least see this being an option for many of my friends
[11:52] <Zeke> The odd part about that is, it didn't say that untill recently. I'm not sure what I changed
[11:52] <ScorpKing> Zeke: what card is that?
[11:52] <rixxon> terrestre: does adept support anything like that?
[11:52] <Zeke> netgear 311 v3
[11:53] <moofoo> hi, is there a way to browse the podcast in the itunes store with linux?
[11:53] <terrestre> rixxon: i dont think so
[11:53] <hitmanWilly> moofoo, nope
[11:53] <rixxon> :(
[11:53] <terrestre> !aptitude
[11:53] <Ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[11:54] <hitmanWilly> moofoo, the itunes drm is incompatible with linux
[11:54] <terrestre> i tried to remove ubuntu-desktop too, su i have to googling to find a command with all the packages, theres a lot, i mean a lot to clean your kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <moofoo> hitmanWilly: not the songs from the store just the podcast portal with the (drm) free stuff..
[11:54] <rixxon> terrestre: what if I reinstall it via aptitude... :)
[11:55] <rixxon> like some forced installation
[11:55] <hitmanWilly> moofoo, well, maybe through a web browser, but not through any nix app
[11:55] <terrestre> i tried that
[11:55] <terrestre> but nothing happend
[11:55] <rixxon> heh
[11:56] <Zeke> I can't get it to delete any the driver either
[11:56] <ScorpKing> Zeke: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261686 or search in google - netgear 311 v3 on ubuntu
[11:57] <ScorpKing> Zeke: i'm not sure how to fix that
[11:57] <drewmister> when partition for a dual boot system with win xp and gentoo i kept getting a invalid partition table error, can you not set 2 partitions on the same drive to bootable?  i noticed fdisk in my current instalation has no linux partitions marked as bootable, whereas i was trying to get a /boot partition and my ntfs partition on the gentoo installation
[11:58] <drewmister> thats another reason i was trying out the ubuntu, to see how it configured grub automatically and see how it set boot flag partitions (surprised me when no linux partitions were set to bootable)
[11:59] <ScorpKing> drewmister: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda and set the main partition active
[12:00] <terrestre> rixxon: this work for me http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnomedapper
[12:01] <rixxon> terrestre: but that's dapper and not gnome
 the main partition being my windows ntfs? it has that set as bootable, and grub still boots ubuntu kernel without being on a bootable partition
[12:02] <TECKBW> hi all
[12:02] <terrestre> rixxon: you have to read more :P
[12:03] <drewmister> when i set both my ntfs partition and my / partition to boot during my gentoo installation i got the invalid partition table
[12:03] <ScorpKing> drewmister: i think you can only have one as boot
[12:03] <TECKBW> how can i mount a fat32 patition as writable...I have mounted it, but only able to write when using sudo
[12:03] <rixxon> terrestre: like, what?
[12:04] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: try to mount it with -o uid=1000,gid=1000
[12:04] <TECKBW> will do ...let u know in a minute
[12:04] <drewmister> k that must have been my problem, there is no clear documentation of that... GRUB configures it to boot regardless of being a bootable partition is what i'm finding on google now
[12:04] <vge> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37265/ <-- someone can help me with simplest of htaccess, it just dont seem to work :/
[12:06] <TECKBW> ScorpKing -- >I can't seem to see the files now that i mounted with the above
[12:07] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: sudo ls ?
[12:07] <TECKBW> ScorpKing sudo LS or IS
[12:07] <TECKBW> ?
[12:07] <ScorpKing> ls
[12:08] <TECKBW> what is that supposed to do?
[12:08] <TECKBW> it does nothing on my side
[12:08] <terrestre_> rixxon: did you find the link? left side of the screen on playing around, pure kde
[12:08] <terrestre_> how i kill my old nick?
[12:08] <rixxon> /msg nickserv ghost
[12:09] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: it will show the files as root - sudo ls /dir
[12:09] <TECKBW> nothing comes up
[12:09] <terrestre> thanks  rixxon, did you find the link?
[12:09] <TECKBW> there are some files as I copied files with sudo cp command
[12:10] <TECKBW> and they were there
[12:10] <rixxon> yea, but the scrollbar for the gnome command doesn't work so you can't copy the whole command *g*
[12:10] <TECKBW> checked on my windows machine..
[12:10] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: run mount to make sure it's mounted
[12:10] <rixxon> plus this solution removes everything, even what I manually installed (like firefox)
[12:10] <rixxon> ah well, thanks anyway
[12:11] <TECKBW> yes now I got the files visable using ls
[12:12] <TECKBW> still no access without using sudo
[12:12] <ScorpKing> ls -l
[12:12] <ScorpKing> check if ur the owner of the files
[12:13] <TECKBW> how do u do that in the terminal
[12:13] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: ls -l /dir
[12:13] <terrestre> rixxon: just take of firefox from the remove list
[12:14] <rixxon> terrestre: it was just an example, i don't remember all i pulled manually.
[12:14] <TECKBW> ok...its working now...unmounted and remounted
[12:14] <TECKBW> and its working now
[12:14] <terrestre> rixxon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37272/
[12:14] <TECKBW> now another question how do get it to mount at boot time
[12:14] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: so you can copy stuff without sudo
[12:15] <TECKBW> yes...can also delete files without sudo
[12:15] <rixxon> terrestre: ...would remove kde for me. :P
[12:15] <TECKBW> where do I add the mount command to do it at boot time
[12:15] <ScorpKing> in /etc/fstab
[12:15] <TECKBW> I think I will be out of the chat for a while so that I can test the config.
[12:16] <terrestre> rixxon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37273/
[12:16] <ScorpKing> TECKBW:  something like - /dev/sda1   /media/usb  auto rw,user,noauto 0  0
[12:17] <rixxon> terrestre: thanks... so is it safe? ubuntu seems so sensitive to being tinkered with
[12:17] <rixxon> terrestre: that still removes kde :p
[12:18] <rixxon> terrestre: nevermind I don't dare anyway. thanks though.
[12:18] <TECKBW> i did that earlier...got that from ubuntu forum...but it did not work....  /dev/hdb1 /home/xxx auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[12:19] <TECKBW> and could not write to that location only using sudo
[12:20] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: add the other options i gave you - rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto . i think that will work
[12:20] <terrestre> rixxon: that is for reinstall a complete pure kde, maybe next time use aptitude to install ubuntu-desktop :P
[12:20] <rixxon> yea... :P
[12:20] <TECKBW> ok will try that ... will have to reboot...to test....so will let u know as soon as i have rebooted
[12:20] <rixxon> gonna reinstall kubuntu when 7.10 is out anyway
[12:20] <rixxon> i want to encrypt my partitions
[12:21] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: that's a hard drive. wait
[12:21] <terrestre> yeah, its not a long wait
[12:21] <ScorpKing> rixxon: thats easy :) use loopback
[12:21] <rixxon> ScorpKing: hm?
[12:21] <ScorpKing> one sec.
[12:22] <TECKBW> yes it is...secondary hdd
[12:22] <rixxon> you mean I encrypt an image and mount it as a loopback device
[12:22] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: the noauto option there will stop it from mounting at boot
[12:22] <ScorpKing> rixxon: no. encrypt the hd and mount it as loop
[12:23] <rixxon> ScorpKing: uh..?
[12:23] <TECKBW> so do the same without the noauto
[12:23] <rixxon> ScorpKing: shouldn't I use luks ..
[12:23] <ScorpKing> rixxon: let me just help TECKBW. i'll be with u now. :)
[12:23] <rixxon> sure :D
[12:24] <TECKBW> ScorpKing--->so do the same without the noauto
[12:24] <mimo> what needs to be setup to have an auto connect to the inet on boot?
[12:24] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: the options there are for usb drives.
[12:24] <mimo> found this at /etc "pppoe_on_boot"
[12:24] <gustavo> hola
[12:24] <TECKBW> well it worked when manually mounting with sudo /dev/hdb1 etc
[12:25] <mimo> but something seems to be still missing
[12:25] <gustavo> algien en espaol
[12:25] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: change it to /dev/hdb1 /media/disk vfat  defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[12:25] <ScorpKing> !es
[12:25] <Ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:25] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: when it's mounted run sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /dir/whith/the/files/
[12:25] <MacZtttlkwork> hi
[12:26] <MacZtttlkwork> !kbfx
[12:26] <Ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbfx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: that should do it.
[12:26] <MacZtttlkwork> I've installed kbfx and it just don't work... I can open the settings window and so on, but the KBFX menu dosen't appear...
[12:26] <TECKBW> ok...will try let u know as soon as this machine boots up...PII very slow
[12:26] <MacZtttlkwork> A PII with Kubuntu? With KDE? wow...
[12:27] <ScorpKing> rixxon: i've encrypted one of my drives and it works great. there is a howto for it. let me see if i can find it.
[12:27] <MacZtttlkwork> Wonder what's the speed of the Desktop.
[12:27] <mefisto__> wonder how much ram...
[12:27] <rixxon> ScorpKing: well plan was to use this method https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyEncryptedRootWithInstaller
[12:28] <ScorpKing> checking...
[12:28] <trpr> MacZtttlkwork: pretty amazing. my PII350 actually manages to pull duty as a tv box.. X crashes periodically but its usuable
[12:28] <ScorpKing> rixxon: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Loopback-Encrypted-Filesystem-HOWTO.html i think that's what u want.
[12:29] <MacZtttlkwork> I have a Pentium MMX 150Mhz laptop and the only usable OS I found is Puppy! And it works pretty good.
[12:29] <rixxon> thanks
[12:29] <ScorpKing> np
[12:29] <MacZtttlkwork> Remember when using the first KDE 3.x...
[12:29] <ScorpKing> rixxon: just don't forget the password or encryption u use. :)
[12:30] <MacZtttlkwork> with Mandriva 9, I think... I was impressed... and it worked in my Pentium II but somethings like resizing icons where a bit slow.
[12:30] <MacZtttlkwork> were*
[12:30] <MacZtttlkwork> so does anybody have kbfx with kubuntu feisty?
[12:31] <ScorpKing> MacZtttlkwork: mine is 340Mhz so it runs kubuntu. i have kbfx
[12:31] <rixxon> ScorpKing: i think luks is a better more modern solution
[12:32] <MacZtttlkwork> what amount of RAM?
[12:32] <MacZtttlkwork> My pentium II had 512MB :-D It worked with Windows XP and all! But a stormy day, it died :-(
[12:32] <ScorpKing> rixxon: the encryption modules come with kubuntu so you don't need to do any of the kernel stuff. just look at the losetup commands and so on so u can see how it works.
[12:32] <venik> How do I enable JAVA in Konqueror?  The appropriate boxes are checked in the settings
[12:32] <ScorpKing> MacZtttlkwork: 320MB
[12:33] <MacZtttlkwork> and it was overclocked to 330Mhz (sold as a 260mhz one)
[12:34] <MacZtttlkwork> ScorpKing, and...is KDE faster than GNOME? I'd bet it is... even when it's more advanced... but nobody would believe me. lol
[12:34] <ScorpKing> i love kde. never use gnome so i won't know :)
[12:34] <TECKBW> well this PII that I am using was given juice...xp no longer worked on it...kept hanging so I loaded fiesty and hey no freeze...works faster and more reliable than xp...with only 192mb ram
[12:34] <lavacano201014> oats
[12:35] <mefisto__> PII with 192mb ram? and kde is practical?
[12:35] <MacZtttlkwork> TECKBW pretty amazing stuff!! The only problem now is that people usually got the live cd... and if you have less tan 256... it becomes impossible to install it. Yes, I know, there's a CD designed for that.
[12:35] <venik> any clue about JAVA with Konqueror?
[12:36] <TECKBW> i installed using live cd...got the disks from shipit
[12:36] <rixxon> MacZtttlkwork: i think kde is heavier than gnome, but it cooperates better. also, kde4 will use qt4 which has been further optimized
[12:36] <TECKBW> it takes a while....for the installer to start but once started no problems at all...a long wait while changing screens....
[12:36] <ScorpKing> TECKBW: i've seen a few computers and even HD's that will run linux when windows refuse.
[12:37] <TECKBW> but not too long....click go make a cupa tea... drink the tea and the next click should be ready
[12:37] <ScorpKing> hd's with bad blocks and all
[12:37] <MacZtttlkwork> I've recently tried Vista in this computer (AMD 2600+, 512MB) and despite all the hype over there it was pretty good.... but it hanged (guess something related to the BIOS driver ?) and since it didn't supportted hardware accel for my ATI Radeon 9200 I came to the conclussion that Kubuntu was better, and even more beautiful (Vista won't let me use Aero 'cause my card has no drivers...)
[12:38] <lparry> vista :P the most slowest pile of crap that moves
[12:38] <MacZtttlkwork> It ran fine for me.
[12:38] <mefisto__> ScorpKing: it happened to me. windows screwed my ntfs partition, linux brought it back to life
[12:38] <TECKBW> I just wish my tv tuner would work on linux...well the usb one in actuall fact...but not meant for linux...meant for xp Media Center Edition...the tuner is a HP AVC 3610 and can't find out how to get it to work
[12:38] <MacZtttlkwork> But it hanged... :(
[12:38] <lparry> takes about 5 minutes to get logged on at a comptuer from school (boot to desktop)
[12:38] <ScorpKing> where can i upload a screenshot of my desktop? something like pastebin
[12:38] <lparry> 3 minutes on much newer computer