[05:49] <dxdt> do I need something else?
[05:49] <Ranbee> badwarri0r http://www.metak.com/ is that serbian?
[05:49] <Faintofhearts> nolimitsoya: I didn't do anything. But I get "direct rendering: no"
[05:49] <Joker_> kitche: Did I?
[05:50] <nolimitsoya> Faintofhearts, try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and use the appropriate driver
[05:50] <Joker_> kitche: No, that's just what wiseelben told me to do
[05:50] <Joker_> I didn't though
[05:50] <kitche> Joker_: no but you trying to mount a FAT system well /dev/hda1 is not a FAT filesystem
[05:51] <umop-apisdn> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable returns an error msg.. and i already changed nv to nvidia =\ sorry to bug u guys.. lol u should be getting paid for this ^_-
[05:51] <nolimitsoya> umop-apisdn, then do the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' routine :) send me a check, please ;)
[05:51] <Joker_> kitche: Ah... Makes sense... Someone might want to go edit http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Windows_partitions_.28FAT.29_manually.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read.2Fwrite then
[05:51] <Zoffix_> Hi, when I run 'make ndiswrapper' I get: "Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build;" What package do I need to install?
[05:51] <umop-apisdn> i dont understand beryl rocks hella fast.. oh well ill reconfig it all
[05:51] <Pelo> umop-apisdn,  isn't it gFx ?
[05:52] <nolimitsoya> umop-apisdn, as root, that is. the command, not the check
[05:52] <Joker_> kitche: Because I was just doing what it said to do
[05:52] <umop-apisdn> lmao
[05:52] <nolimitsoya> Pelo, no
[05:52] <umop-apisdn> i got tht
[05:52] <kitche> Joker_: let em check it might say sda1 instead
[05:52] <Zoffix_> !build
[05:52] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:52] <Joker_> kitche: So put sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000 into the terminal?
[05:53] <nolimitsoya> Pelo, come back out and feel our love instead <3
[05:53] <kitche> Joker_: hmm no that's probably right for what it's for, sicne iwndows likes to be the first partition usually but it does need clarification
[05:53] <kitche> Joker_: you mounting a USB drive or another partition?
[05:53] <Joker_> kitche: In Dapper I had it as hdd1
[05:53] <Joker_> kitche: It's a seperate hard disk
[05:54] <kitche> Joker_ it might be hdd1 still but it might be /dev/hdb1
[05:54] <steph> Hello people i running linux ubuntu and i want to change the name on the terminal how that i can do it :| ??
[05:54] <kitche> steph: change the name on the terminal to what?
[05:55] <umop-apisdn> Use kernel framebuffer device interface? <----- suggest this or no?
[05:55] <bucky> how about steph@ubuntu:~$
[05:55] <steph> softw@softw-desktop:/home$
[05:55] <cyphase> is CUPS going to be avahi aware in Feisty?
[05:55] <steph> yes my name is softw@softw-desktop:/home$
[05:55] <steph>  so i want to change it how i can do that ?
[05:55] <umop-apisdn> how about Mad@Ubuntu
[05:55] <umop-apisdn> lol
[05:55] <steph> lol
[05:55] <steph> rofl
[05:56] <kitche> steph: has to deal with P1
[05:56] <steph> bucky, somebody know how to i can change it the name ?
[05:56] <Joker_> kitche: I love you now. Will you marry me?
[05:56] <steph> kitche, you ?
[05:56] <checkmate> change your user/computer name
[05:56] <checkmate> i would guess
[05:56] <steph> so where to go ?
[05:57] <Faintofhearts> I need help enabling direct rendering. My graphics card is an Intel Corporation 82815 CGC and I have the i810 driver already installed.
[05:57] <bucky> change your username to softw and your /etc/hostname to softw-desktop and cd to /home
[05:57] <Joker_> kitche: That's the drive I've got all of my music on
[05:57] <progesterone> hi
[05:57] <progesterone> may i ask a question?
[05:57] <userundefine> !ask
[05:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:57] <nolimitsoya> Faintofhearts, didnt i gave you a command just now? didnt it help you? did you restart x?
[05:58] <Faintofhearts> I ended up with the same settings.
[05:58] <Faintofhearts> It was configured correctly.
[05:58] <Pelo> progesterone,  just ask your question, if someone can/cares they will try and help
[05:58] <progesterone> thanz pelo
[05:58] <progesterone> thanz ubotu
[05:59] <Pelo> ubotu,  is a bot
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <Faintofhearts> nolimitsoya: I find it odd, because this graphics card CAN support direct rendering, it just won't.
[05:59] <umop-apisdn> k ppls wish me luck ^-^.. if x crashes ill cry
[05:59] <Pelo> best of luck umop-apisdn
[05:59] <umop-apisdn> =p
[05:59] <steph> where to go to change the computer name ??
[05:59] <Joker_> luck
[06:00] <kitche> Faintofhearts an ATI card?
[06:00] <Faintofhearts> No
[06:00] <steph> where to go to change the computer name ??
[06:00] <kitche> steph: /etc/hostname and there is another spot also that I don't know
[06:00] <Pelo> steph,  look it up in the forum
[06:00] <Faintofhearts> kitche: An intel 815
[06:00] <bucky> steph, or you might be able to add something to .bashrc  make a back up copy before you try it
[06:00] <bucky> http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000484.htm
[06:01] <kitche> Faintofhearts: hmm glxinfo|grep rendering says no?
[06:01] <steph> can somebody TELL ME WHAT COMMAND ???
[06:01] <steph> wtf is this
[06:01] <steph> a help chan ?
[06:01] <steph> a
[06:01] <Joker_> yesh, steph
[06:01] <Joker_> 'tis
[06:01] <Faintofhearts> kitche: "direct rendering: no"
[06:01] <steph> so come on help me
[06:01] <Madpilot> ubotu, enter | steph
[06:01] <ubotu> steph: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:02] <kitche> !hostname|steph
[06:02] <ubotu> steph: Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts . WARNING! Make sure that /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly
[06:02] <Cheyenne> What do you people recomend for a boot loader?
[06:03] <steph> kitche: so what to type in the terminal ??
[06:03] <steph> kitche: so what to type in the terminal ??
[06:03] <steph> kitche: so what to type in the terminal ??
[06:03] <steph> kitche: so what to type in the terminal ??
[06:03] <steph> kitche: so what to type in the terminal ??
[06:03] <steph> kitche: so what to type in the terminal ??
[06:03] <steph> kitche: so what to type in the terminal ??
[06:03] <progesterone> i used winXP with apache, mysql sever and php installed. I want to use ubuntu like that. So I installed LAMP server. The installation ended up with command line. To be like my winXP and I want a desktop, i have to do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop". Is it right?
[06:03] <kitche> Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname temp that is the command but to make it perm you have to edit /etc/hostname /etc/hosts
[06:03] <kitche> !ops
[06:03] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO, LjL, elkbuntu, Mez, tonyyarusso or gnomefreak!
[06:03] <steph> can i ask you more 1540 imes ?
[06:03] <nolimitsoya> !attitude | steph
[06:03] <ubotu> steph: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped.  Last & only warning.
[06:04] <fiendskull9> Cheyenne: i reccomend grub
[06:04] <Cheyenne> where can i get that
[06:04] <fiendskull9> Cheyenne: it should install with ubuntu
[06:04] <nolimitsoya> Cheyenne, that is installed with the vanilla ubuntu install
[06:04] <nolimitsoya> 5sec to late >_<
[06:04] <Cheyenne> automatically
[06:04] <nolimitsoya> Cheyenne, yes
[06:04] <Pelo> Cheyenne,  you can look it up in synaptic to make sure it has
[06:04] <Joker_> thanks for the help, guys, toodles
[06:05] <adrift> hello folks
[06:05] <nolimitsoya> !grub | Cheyenne
[06:05] <ubotu> Cheyenne: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:05] <nolimitsoya> !hi | adrift
[06:05] <ubotu> adrift: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[06:05] <iain> Scribus doesn't load any truetype fonts for me.  Has anyone heard of this problem?
[06:06] <stahnma> can anyone recommend a PCI wireless card to use in an Ubuntu box?
[06:06] <progesterone> i used winXP with apache, mysql sever and php installed. I want to use ubuntu like that. So I installed LAMP server. The installation ended up with command line. To be like my winXP and I want a desktop, i have to do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop". Is it right? ... anyone ... any idea ?
[06:06] <umop-apisdn> yeah lol tht dint go so well
[06:06] <umop-apisdn> =\
[06:06] <nolimitsoya> stahnma, did you check the wifi docs?
[06:06] <iain> OK it apparently loads vera, but not any of the TTFs I installed
[06:06] <stahnma> nolimitsoya: there are wifi docs? LOL
[06:06] <adrift> this chat is busy. is it always like this?
[06:06] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, id suggest you get the vanilla gnome or kde
[06:07] <nolimitsoya> !wifi | stahnma
[06:07] <ubotu> stahnma: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:07] <dobblego> to set up WPA on dapper, do I edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ?
[06:07] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, youll end up with less (to you) useless junk that way :)
[06:07] <jontec_> is there a tool to redetect hardware on your system?
[06:07] <stahnma> thanks ubotu
[06:07] <nolimitsoya> stahnma, ubotu is a bot. thank me instead :)
[06:08] <wiseelben> progesternone, yes you can do that, but is your server to be used as a test server or a real server?
[06:08] <nolimitsoya> Pelo, :P
[06:09] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, 'sudo apt-get install gdm gnome-core', to begin with. then add the tools you want. the messy way is to install ubuntu-desktop, and then remove the stuff you dont need.
[06:09] <dobblego> !wpa
[06:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:10] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, when i did ""sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[06:10] <stahnma> nolimitsoya: ok, very nice ...:)
[06:10] <jontec_> Is there anyway to get ubuntu to recognize hardware? I think I may have done something to stop it from recognizing it.
[06:11] <progesterone> nolimitsoya,I got "Couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop"
[06:11] <nolimitsoya> !enter | progesterone
[06:11] <ubotu> progesterone: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:11] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, thats strange indeed. are you sure it was ubuntu you installed? ;) have you had a peek at sources.list or done an apt-get update?
[06:11] <Cheyenne> Is ther a net install version of ubuntu 6.06
[06:12] <nolimitsoya> !mini
[06:12] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[06:12] <progesterone> nolimitsoya,do you know why? I spent hours in forums ... i got headache. that's why i'm here
[06:12] <umop-apisdn> =/
[06:12] <umop-apisdn> lol who hasnt
[06:12] <kitche> !version|progesterone try this and see what the output is
[06:12] <ubotu> progesterone try this and see what the output is: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type 'lsb_release -a' in the Terminal.
[06:13] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, as i said, all i can think of is: a) you installed the wrong disto - b) your sources.list is for some reason blank c) your apt cache is fubar, and youll need an update
[06:13] <adrift> I'm more or less new to Linux and am running Ubuntu. I wanted to run World of Warcraft on Ubuntu and have been able to do so through Wine, but I want to create a more efficient code in the terminal to launch the game. I followed the direction to create a script which would allow me to run WOW by simply typing in WOW in the terminal but when i try to I get an error that reads
[06:13] <adrift> bash: /usr/local/bin/wow: Permission denied
[06:13] <umop-apisdn> sudo WOW
[06:13] <pluto> Can someone help me fix a binary installer i'm running by interpreting this output from the console? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38620/
[06:13] <umop-apisdn> nolimitsoya any other ideas on the direct rendering?
[06:14] <nolimitsoya> adrift, why not make a launcher?
[06:14] <kitche> Adrift: you odn't need sudo to do it just sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/wow
[06:14] <umop-apisdn> still the same prob
[06:14] <kitche> then try the wow command
[06:14] <umop-apisdn> oic ^^
[06:14] <adrift> ok, i'll try out the advice. thank you
[06:14] <nolimitsoya> umop-apisdn, nope. as i said, it sould JustWork(TM). intel has full oss drivers
[06:14] <umop-apisdn> im usin the nvidia
[06:14] <Faintofhearts> I'm using the intel :P
[06:15] <nolimitsoya> right... then im confused >_<
[06:15] <umop-apisdn> hmm i give up everything else runs peachy
[06:15] <Faintofhearts> And I can't get direct rendering either :P
[06:15] <nolimitsoya> either way, no i have no new ideas :)
[06:15] <umop-apisdn> just d00m3 and quake4 .. which are both the same engine
[06:15] <Mathew> I'm trying to install Ubuntu for the first time on a hard drive i just bought [17179882.936000]  hdc: timeout waiting for DMA [17179887.940000]  hdc: drive not ready for command
[06:15] <pluto> Because that binary installer is pretty much the only thing I can use since I can't get it to compile from source
[06:15] <Faintofhearts> The log file doesn't really tell me much really.
[06:15] <umop-apisdn> im thinkin its id not us
[06:16] <nolimitsoya> Mathew, did you jumper it right?
[06:16] <umop-apisdn> oh well thx so much for ur time .. got a paypal acct?
[06:16] <jontec_> !hald
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, ubotu, thanz .. do you mean to uncomment out some line in sources.list and update online?
[06:16] <jontec_> !hal
[06:16] <umop-apisdn> lol jk =P
[06:16] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[06:16] <Mathew> master or slave thing?  I think i did
[06:16] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, you shouldnt need uncoment anything, but it wont hurt
[06:16] <adrift> holy cow kitche... that actually worked. you made that seem so easy and yet the instructions i was following in a thread online made it sound so complicated lol
[06:17] <nolimitsoya> !msgthebot | jontec_
[06:17] <ubotu> jontec_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:17] <pluto> !compile
[06:17] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:17] <nolimitsoya> !msgthebot | pluto
[06:17] <ubotu> pluto: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:17] <pluto> Ahh.. sorry about that
[06:18] <kitche> adrift: you use linux enough you tend to spit stuff out without looking it up, and make it sorta easy for people to understand chmod +x just makes the script executable
[06:18] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, I'm sure i already installed ubuntu LAMP server. So, I can login
[06:18] <nolimitsoya> pluto, might i suggest adding '/query ubotu' to the autoexec for your client? :)
[06:18] <starkruzr> Merry Christmas, everybody.  :)
[06:18] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, just try the 'sudo apt-get update' to begin with
[06:18] <pluto> I hope this bot knows LOTS about compiling
[06:18] <Zoffix_> Hi, I've installed my WiFi card driver with ndiswrapper, when I run iwconfig it sees interface 'wlan0' properly, however if I run 'ifup wlan0' I get "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0" Anybody had this issue before?
[06:18] <adrift> ohh ok. well jeez thanks much. i'll be back with some follow up questions
[06:19] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, could you say me in easy terms? I don't understand disto, fubar and so on
[06:19] <nolimitsoya> pluto, there realy isnt much to it. apt-get the headers and build-essential. when comfiling run ./configure, make and make install
[06:19] <starkruzr> I was wondering if someone could help me out with getting X session forwarding to work?  What I want to do is use Cygwin's X to get an X session on my Ubuntu box at home.  Is there something set by default which prevents this?
[06:19] <pluto> Well, I tried that, but it gets a little odd with the errors
[06:19] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, ok, type 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' in the terminal
[06:19] <calamari> hi
[06:19] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, do i need internet connection to do 'sudo apt-get update'?
[06:20] <umop-apisdn> lol
[06:20] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, yes. you need internet connection to apt-get anything
[06:20] <jontec_> nolimitsoya: I'm trying to get someone to pay attention :D
[06:20] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, thats sort of the whole deal with apt... type '/msg ubotu !apt' here on irc to see the details
[06:20] <calamari> I have firefox locked at version 1.0.8 and I'm trying to unlock it in Synaptic.  When I select firefox and uncheck "Lock version", it comes back and it is still locked.  How can I unlock this package so I can upgrade it?
[06:21] <nolimitsoya> jontec_, to what?
[06:21] <jontec_> nolimitsoya: to "is there a tool to redetect hardware on your system?"
[06:22] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, How can i setup internet connection in command line? I got connection in winXP. Butt how can i set up connection without desktop. That's the issue I'm confused. I can't find that issue in forum
[06:22] <pluto> nolimitsoya: How do I issue these commands when half the files that it looks for don't exsist on Ubuntu? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38621/
[06:22] <nolimitsoya> jontec_, i have no idea :) why do you want to?
[06:22] <magic_ninja> whats a good meathod to encode mp3 files to wav for cd burning
[06:23] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, dont you have a router with dhcp server?
[06:23] <pluto> I get as far as make clean, but then I get weird erros
[06:23] <umop-apisdn> okay Faintofhearts i think i have it
[06:23] <neil__> test
[06:23] <tuxplorer> I first had ubuntu with GNOME.. I then installed KDE4 from apt-get. But my GDm misses the KDE entry.. How to add the entry?
[06:23] <umop-apisdn> okay to spam an ubuntu addy/
[06:23] <umop-apisdn> ?
[06:23] <Faintofhearts> umop-apisdn: Is that so? What did you have to do?
[06:23] <umop-apisdn> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304093
[06:23] <jontec_> nolimitsoya: because I used.... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and no audio realted entry is present with lspci anymore... AND alsamixer/kmix cannot pickup my card anymore
[06:23] <nolimitsoya> pluto, im not following. what are you trying to do? (compiling obviously, but what?)
[06:24] <umop-apisdn> xgl wont allow any other app to touch direct rendering
[06:24] <umop-apisdn> even check to see its status
[06:24] <umop-apisdn> so disable bery (if ur usin it)
[06:24] <nolimitsoya> umop-apisdn, thats true. thats why you should use aiglx instead ;)
[06:24] <progesterone> progesterone, I use wireless modem and the PC i'm using now is connected with that modem. That's all I have. Are router and DHCP server in my modem?   How can I fix this?
[06:25] <pluto> nolimitsoya: Compiling a touchscreen module from source. When I do a make clean like the readme says for compilation, it tells me it has errors due to /drivers_infiniband
[06:25] <nolimitsoya> !wifi | progesterone
[06:25] <umop-apisdn> then add this to ur xorg.conf .. Section "Extensions"
[06:25] <umop-apisdn>         Option  "Composite" "Disable"
[06:25] <umop-apisdn> EndSection
[06:25] <ubotu> progesterone: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:25] <umop-apisdn> oops srry
[06:25] <neil__> I'm not Neil, but I'm on his box, with his permission, how do I setup n2diy why to work on this box.
[06:25] <umop-apisdn> meant to notice tht
[06:25] <umop-apisdn> then reboot
[06:25] <umop-apisdn> doom3 works now
[06:25] <nolimitsoya> pluto, i have no clue as to why :)
[06:26] <pluto> Me neither, albiet I have never heard of make clean
[06:26] <nolimitsoya> umop-apisdn, switch to aiglx instead. itll let you run gamel even with beryl
[06:26] <progesterone> !wifi |
[06:26] <ubotu> : Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:26] <umop-apisdn> very cool ill try tht
[06:26] <umop-apisdn> ^^
[06:26] <umop-apisdn> beryl has been a pain in the ass.. but its so pretty
[06:26] <umop-apisdn> like my gf.. illl keep
[06:26] <umop-apisdn> tho its annoying
[06:27] <starkruzr> heh
[06:27] <adrift> ok next question i have. i have my WOW folder in my Wine directory but i'd like to make it one step easier than just typing wow into a terminal. how would i go about making a shortcut to the executable from my desktop?
[06:28] <neil__> I'm not Neil, but I'm on his box, with his permission, how do I setup n2diy why to work on this box.
[06:28] <pigwrangler> Is a core 2 duo considered 64bit ?
[06:28] <starkruzr> pigwrangler: Yes it is
[06:28] <Music_Shuffle> Yah.
[06:28] <radar1976> ok I need a pager program
[06:28] <pigwrangler> nice
[06:28] <pigwrangler> thanks
[06:28] <kitche> adrift: cd to ~/Desktop then run this command in terminal ln -s /usr/local/bin/wow wow then you hsould have a shortcut on your desktop
[06:28] <radar1976> I need to monitor some logs on my desktop
[06:28] <adrift> but not all 64bits are core 2 duos :D
[06:29] <radar1976> what works best
[06:29] <adrift> awesome. thanks again kitche
[06:29] <neil__> I'm not Neil, but I'm on his box, with his permission, how do I setup n2diy  to work on this box.
[06:29] <pigwrangler> Anyone ever install ubuntu with parallels?
[06:30] <Music_Shuffle> adrift, pity, no? ./cries.
[06:30] <n30n> !dvd
[06:30] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:30] <neil__> send a test reply please, so I can show Neil how is message is highlighted.
[06:31] <kitche> neil__: test
[06:31] <pluto> Ohhh... I see nolimitsoya, it's not having an error with the driver, it doesn't know how to make the makefile. make[3] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/drivers/infiniband/ulp/srp/Makefile'.  Stop. Any clue?
[06:31] <rcrook> this is really bugging me.. I cant seem to get lm-sensors or mbmon working, each is telling me some thing thst is blantantly not true... sensors tells me that /sys is not mounted when it is and mbmon keeps saying that it need setuid root which it is!!! ARRRRGGHHHHH!
[06:32] <neil__> kitche, tnx
[06:32] <adrift> Haha, i know Music_Shuffle. i recently bought a single core AMD 64 and am wondering if i should have save up for the dual core. ohwell. i'm not even certain that i'm getting my moneys worth out of the single core
[06:33] <neil__> kitche, how do I setup n2diy on Neils box, for IRC?
[06:33] <adrift> thanks again kitche, by the way, you make this look so easy.
[06:34] <Music_Shuffle> adrift, heh yeah. My single core AMD64 runs just fine on Edgy 64, no need to tinker with what works, right? Far cheaper too ;P
[06:34] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, My modem is NAVINI wireless modem. It's not in the list you gave me. Where should i go?
[06:35] <adrift> yeah, but i'm having some issues trying to find software that will run on 64 now and then.
[06:35] <kitche> neil__: what is n2diy? sicne i know that there is n2diy in here
[06:35] <Music_Shuffle> Yeah. ./Sigh. Gotta make do sometimes.
[06:35] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, its not your modem thats the thing. its what wireless card you have in your computer that matters
[06:35] <adrift> true
[06:35] <pluto> How close is Ubuntu to Debian Sarge? I've got to get this driver working
[06:36] <nolimitsoya> pluto, not very. more like etch
[06:36] <neil__> kitche,  I'm on my friends computer, but would like to set my own user here.
[06:36] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, my network card is not wireless card. It's just normal Ethernet card.
[06:36] <chastech> I have Dapper Drake and it sees and loads my printer but it wont print - says job stopped - is this usual?
[06:36] <neil__> kitche,  just for IRC, not for the entire box.
[06:36] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, but you said you used wifi internet?
[06:36] <pluto> Errk.. there goes that idea, no compiling from source, no universal binary, and no debian.
[06:37] <kitche> neil__: well you just give the user no shell or make his shell /usr/bin/irssi if you just want to use irssi, no clue on how to do it for xchat though
[06:37] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, :P I said "I use wireless modem and the PC i'm using now is connected with that modem".
[06:38] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, then never mind. didnt you get a dhcp lease during install? that should be all that you need to connect
[06:38] <umop-apisdn> aiglx =) all fixed thx again
[06:38] <neil__> kitche,  roger that, I'll follow up form my home box then.
[06:39] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, didnt you get a dhcp lease during install? how can i check to answer your question?
[06:39] <magic_ninja> whats the apt-get package name for normalize
[06:39] <neil__> 73, n2diy
[06:40] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, you could pay attention during install. ;) post install you can use 'ifconfig eth0' to check
[06:41] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, I'm sorry. I remember now. I saw message similar to "unable to find the host in the internet ... DHCP unable" during install.
[06:42] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, then enable the dhcp server on your modem. thatll save you time and grief no matter what os you use. if you want to set ip by hand, set permanent ip leases on each mac
[06:42] <tuxplorer> I first had ubuntu with GNOME.. I then installed KDE4 from apt-get. But my GDm misses the KDE entry.. How to add the entry?
[06:43] <nolimitsoya> tuxplorer, did you check the sessions chooser?
[06:43] <pluto> Not good..
[06:43] <chastech> nolimitsoya: I have Dapper Drake and it sees and loads my printer but it wont print - says job stopped - is this usual?
[06:43] <tuxplorer> yes. I did nolimitsoya
[06:44] <pluto> I just tried a make cofig since I couldn't get a sudo make cloneconfig work. Am I about to screw my system?
[06:44] <vader> chastech, I was trying to get the Cannon i550 and it would only load the wrong driver, still have not gotten past that one
[06:44] <nolimitsoya> chastech, not very. lots of folk have problems with thier printer. ;) my self included. :P check out linuxprinting.org to see if your printer is supported
[06:44] <pisante> can someone help me get sound
[06:45] <nolimitsoya> pluto, make is something you execute to a dir. it wont affect your system unless you fiddle with system folders
[06:45] <adrift> ok i know this is a bit of newbie type question, but as the only user of a home setup what exactly is the danger of logging in as a root user?
[06:45] <pisante> i have ubuntu 5.10 and cant get sound playback from my cds
[06:45] <chastech> nolimitsoya: it sees and loads my printer but it wont print - says job stopped - is this usual?
[06:45] <pluto> Then whats the point of making a cloneconfig?
[06:45] <holycow> basically stick with brother printers, they have linux drivers for all their devices, including rpm and deb installers
[06:45] <PORDO> edgy takes like 7 minutes to boot. :(
[06:45] <nolimitsoya> adrift, massive security concerns
[06:45] <tuxplorer> nolimitsoya: how to add an entry? which file? /et/gdm/Session is not found in ubuntu
[06:46] <chastech> thanx vader
[06:46] <vader> np
[06:46] <Toma-> anyone used metapixel before? mine crashes with png errors
[06:46] <PORDO> adrift say some malicious piece of software is run.  if you are root, it has root privileges and can do bad things.
[06:46] <pisante> does soundblaster live work with linux?
[06:46] <nolimitsoya> tuxplorer, i have no idea. :) try the 'apt-get install -f' do apply and residual configurations, and make the sessions fileby hand if you think it should be there
[06:46] <holycow> adrift, its basically the answer as to why windows users are almost 100% rooted
[06:46] <adrift> how much milicioius software is out there that takes advantage of linux?
[06:47] <holycow> no one has seen any in the wild
[06:47] <chastech> nolimitsoya: I have hoary hedgehog and it loaded my printer and works fine
[06:47] <kitche> adrift: well a lot actually just that someone has to do it manually
[06:47] <pisante> hello somebody
[06:47] <nolimitsoya> adrift, not many, but still, you run the risk of thrashing loads of data by accident or software malfuntion
[06:47] <holycow> but that doesn't mean anything, you MUST NEVER trust anyone on th einternet unless their software is vetted through some type of filter
[06:48] <holycow> typicallly this is why it is safe to use linux, all the software is vetted through the community, thus if one person discovers a problem its guaranteed a fix will be found soon because it affects everyone simultaneously
[06:48] <nolimitsoya> chastech, then file a regression bug at launchpad
[06:48] <holycow> adrift, it basically comes down to you either do it right or you don't do it at all
[06:49] <holycow> if people insist on not learning how to properly operate a piece of equipment, they get everything they deserve
[06:49] <holycow> as is the case with windows users mostly
[06:49] <adrift> ok. see it just seems to me... well, i've run windows for years and years and yeah, i've run into the occasional virus and what not, but nothing major, it almost seems to me that linux users want to sway folks from using root so that linux stays on the download from malicious hacker types.
[06:49] <chastech> nolimitsoya: thanx "sigh"
[06:49] <luisc> hola alguien habla espaol?
[06:49] <nolimitsoya> holycow, thats harsh, but very true :P
[06:49] <holycow> adrift, there is no 'it seems to me'
[06:49] <nolimitsoya> !es | luisc
[06:49] <ubotu> luisc: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:49] <holycow> there are professionals and non professionals
[06:49] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, I don't know how to enable DCHP server on my modem. and I'm not sure that DHCP feature is included in my modem or not. I got similar problem when I tried to setup VoIP phone with that modem. I can't setup VoIP phone yet because of DHCP problem.
[06:50] <adrift> down low that should have read
[06:50] <holycow> non professionals think its okay to 'it seems to me such and such' but at the end of the day it really helps to have the right attitude and that is to shoot for learning to do it right
[06:50] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, as router without a dhcpserver is useless junk. replace it. ;)
[06:50] <Toma-> Can someone give me a run thru with metapixel?
[06:50] <holycow> nolimitsoya, yeah it is, it really is also very very simple.  i'm tired of windows users really.
[06:51] <adrift> ok well just figured i'd ask. i mean it's a small pain in the butt to type in a password over and over again or type in sudo now and then, but for the sake of safety i see the sound reasoning behind it
[06:51] <nolimitsoya> adrift, its a security concern. there is absolutely no reason to run as root. you only risk valueble data
[06:51] <adrift> ok
[06:51] <holycow> adrift, correct
[06:51] <holycow> adrift, the funny thing about human behaviour is that it is also elastic
[06:51] <chastech> vader: I also have hoary hedgehog and it loaded my printer and works fine
[06:51] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, I told you i don't have router. I just have wireless modem. And my PC is connect with RJ45 with that modem.
[06:51] <vader> hmmmmmmm
[06:51] <holycow> most people don't realize how quickly one can actually get up to speed on stuff
[06:51] <adrift> have or do any of you folks run in root?
[06:51] <holycow> for example after a while typing in sudo is really nothing at all
[06:52] <vader> then you may want to make sure it loaded the right driver, and or reboot
[06:52] <kitche> adrift: I tend to use root a lot but I tend to play around with system configurations
[06:52] <adrift> haha, you're probably right holycow
[06:52] <holycow> no one here really thinks about it once they get beyond a certain point in profficience, particularly when their typic skills increase
[06:52] <NineTeen67Comet> Does anyone know how to take sound only from a dv camera video? Do I need to capture it first, then take the sound off via Kino? Or something else?
[06:52] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, but if you haveseveral computers you must have a router, or you wont get connected
[06:52] <adrift> yeah, seems like you really know what you're doing kitche, i suppose that'd make quite the difference
[06:52] <pisante> can someone help me with some sound issues please
[06:53] <nolimitsoya> !sound | pisante
[06:53] <ubotu> pisante: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[06:53] <holycow> adrift, welcome to linux btw
[06:53] <kitche> adrift: I use to work on another linux distro called SourceMage not very long only about two months or so sicne I don't know bash that well
[06:53] <pisante> thanx
[06:53] <adrift> thanks holycow
[06:54] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, should i contact ISP provider other than making you busy? I've only ONE computer connected to that wireless modem. No more devices are connected to the modem. One wireless modem+One PC. That' all I have
[06:54] <holycow> adrift, the funny thing about learning linux is it really teaches you about how computers work
[06:54] <holycow> nothing is hidden from you behind layers of bullshit
[06:54] <holycow> so even if you end up going back to windows, you have actually increased your skills
[06:54] <holycow> infact
[06:54] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, then what pc are you using right now? how do you plan on using a lamp server with no internet connection?
[06:54] <holycow> running linux will help you undrestand how windows is put together as it works in a similar fashion
[06:54] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, im just trying to get a clear picture of what you are doing...
[06:55] <holycow> or where it doesn't you get people like me telling you why their way is bad
[06:55] <holycow> :)
[06:55] <holycow> hehehe
[06:55] <adrift> i've come to realize that, in fact, i started on linux because a guy in the shop i work at was playing around with compiz. the eye candy did it for me, and i figured i'd investigate. i really love playing around with it, but find it's not exactly intuitive all of the time... well... yet
[06:55] <holycow> adrift, yes that is a meme
[06:55] <holycow> humans don't learn stuff in general, we memorize patterns
[06:55] <adrift> right. i'm familiar with meme's
[06:55] <holycow> what happens is if you have used windows for 10 years or whatever, you have memorized their patterns
[06:55] <holycow> right
[06:56] <progesterone> I want to setup LAMP server on The PC i'm using right now
[06:56] <holycow> however after a while linux actually makes more sense
[06:56] <holycow> at least to me
[06:56] <starkruzr> Hi guys.  This Wiki page says to go to a directory that doesn't exist on my machine (/etc/xinetd.d) and edit a file that doesn't exist in order to get vnc working.  Could I get a little help with that?
[06:56] <nolimitsoya> adrift, there are several good sayings to the matter, fex: 'unix is user friendly, its just picky about who its friends are' and 'unix is simple. it just takes a genious to understand the simplicity', etc
[06:56] <holycow> i cannot fathom how anyone can possibly use or administer windows anymore
[06:56] <vader> adrift, I have put it on several work pc's on a network, and the boss's love it, so guess who is their new sys admin?
[06:56] <holycow> so its all somewhere on the learning curve i guess
[06:56] <adrift> it actually "feels" different playing around on linux... cleaner, but unfamiliar. sort of like being in a literally different place.
[06:56] <starkruzr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC <-- that's the wiki page btw
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> !lamp | progesterone
[06:56] <ubotu> progesterone: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:56] <holycow> nolimitsoya, lol those are good
[06:56] <holycow> heh
[06:56] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, then how are you using irc if you dont have a working connection already?
[06:57] <holycow> adrift, the thing about linux is that 'everything has a reason'
[06:57] <holycow> and discovering the reason is usually a google away
[06:57] <adrift> a genious to understand the simplicity. i like that
[06:57] <nix_ferret> progesterone, why don't you try out XAMMP?
[06:57] <holycow> go and figure out why anything in windows is the way it is
[06:57] <holycow> impossible
[06:57] <pluto> okay, this is ridiculous. Shouldn't I be able to run a sudo make clean from the /usr/src/linux-headers-version directory?
[06:57] <holycow> i don't think ms devs understand it
[06:58] <holycow> pluto, if thats where your source is but make and make-clean don't need to be run as sudo btw
[06:58] <chastech> ubotu: I have hoary hedgehog and it loaded my printer and it works fine why can't HP Deskjet work on Dapper Drake after it finds it and loads the driver it says :job:stopped
[06:58] <nolimitsoya> could someone adopt progesterone's cause please? its past 7am here, and i still havent slept :)
[06:58] <pluto> That's where it's at holycow, but I keep getting some weird error when i try
[06:58] <VerdRousseau> does anyone here have a dell truemobile
[06:59] <nolimitsoya> progesterone, i wish you good luck and good night :)
[06:59] <holycow> pluto, remove src files clean the dir manually redownload and try agaiin
[06:59] <adrift> yeah, it ms seems very heavy to me anymore. still, it's ease of use in some areas keeps me dual booted
[06:59] <holycow> progesterone, lamp is a fairly complicate set of applications that work together
[06:59] <progesterone> nolimitsoya, are you leaving?
[06:59] <holycow> it requires a bit of skill in each one to setup right
[06:59] <holycow> i'm not sure this is the right place for that kind of support
[07:00] <holycow> we try to help people install a basic ubuntu system and keep it running
[07:00] <holycow> progesterone, there must be good tutorials on the wiki or forums tho everyone does it
[07:00] <chastech> holycow: I have hoary hedgehog and it loaded my printer and it works fine why can't HP Deskjet work on Dapper Drake after it finds it and loads the driver it says :job:stopped
[07:01] <derek_> Hi
[07:01] <holycow> chastech, supported model? i would imagine i guess
[07:01] <derek_> Why does my right ALT not work?
[07:01] <derek_> I newly installed Ubuntu 6.10
[07:01] <holycow> chastech, hard to say, could be an issue with a driver
[07:01] <starkruzr> can anyone help me out with getting VNC working?  the Wiki is not being helpful.
[07:01] <holycow> or and issue with the cups print server
[07:01] <derek_> I tried changing keyboard models. It didn't help.
[07:01] <holycow> chastech, that stuff is fairly easy to debug
[07:01] <pluto> holycow: so delete the entire /usr/scr/linxheader directory and and redo an apt-get install?
[07:02] <holycow> you need to enable verbose logging for the cups server
[07:02] <chastech> if i new where to start
[07:02] <progesterone> nix_ferret, what's XAMMP? I can't find it in google.
[07:02] <holycow> chastech, then you need to tail -f /var/log/somelogfile for cups to watch what the issue is
[07:02] <holycow> thats where you start actually :)
[07:02] <holycow> pluto, not manually
[07:02] <adrift> ok, i have another probably simple type question. in order to upgrade from say... 6.06 to 6.10, you don't have to do a complete reinstall do you?
[07:02] <chastech> k
[07:02] <kitche> progesterone: it's XAMPP not XAMMP
[07:02] <holycow> pluto, first MAKE SURE you uninstall via apt or whatever
[07:02] <nix_ferret> XAMMP is Apache,MySQL,PHP & Perl running off a USB drive.
[07:03] <holycow> pluto, then just make sure the dir is clean before redownloading the kernel sources
[07:03] <nix_ferret> Development in your pocket
[07:03] <holycow> just to make sure you are starting with a clean set of files thats all
[07:04] <nix_ferret> Sorry, actually, that's my bad (XAMMP - XAMPP)
[07:04] <holycow> adrift, nope.  just add the right repository changes to /etc/apt/source.list, update apt db, and do a dist-upgrade.  thats pretty much it
[07:04] <progesterone> nix_ferret, kitche ... thanz
[07:04] <holycow> adrift, i dont know how to do the upgrade via gui, i never bothered looking that up
[07:05] <kitche> adrift: sudo upgrade-manager -c
[07:05] <adrift> ok. i dont need to do an upgrade right now, i have 6.10, but good to know for future use. how often do they update?
[07:05] <holycow> every 6 months
[07:05] <mcquaid> i'm looking but not finding much, there is no undelete util for ext3 parts is there?
[07:06] <holycow> much too often for most people but fun for us techies
[07:06] <starkruzr> can anyone help me out with getting VNC working?  the Wiki is not being helpful.
[07:06] <kitche> adrift: every 6 months for new versions of ubuntu(new versions of software and such)
[07:06] <adrift> wow, that often. its amazing they can make that many changes in 6 months
[07:06] <nix_ferret> Is there a temp fix for the ACPI issues in 6.10?
[07:06] <nix_ferret> I hear version 7 is supposed to clear most of that up.
[07:07] <holycow> adrift, you probably want to stick with the LTS releases when they come out (long term support).  that will insure stability and not having to deal with the occasional glitch
[07:07] <Olathe_> Where is grub.conf supposed to be ?
[07:07] <holycow> adrift, well ubuntu mostly just packages stuff ... or rather freezes off of the work debian does
[07:07] <Hansel> /etc or /boot prolly
[07:07] <holycow> but they have really done some great stuff in terms of developing custom solutions
[07:08] <holycow> they are working to solve sound concurrency issues on a global level
[07:08] <holycow> that will be cool
[07:08] <pluto> holycow: just followed your instructions, but I still get the same error
[07:08] <Olathe_> I can't find it in /etc, /boot, or /boot/grub.  locate can't find it, either.
[07:08] <holycow> the new init event based method is turnign out to be superb.  its amazingly fast at booting up a system .. infact gnome takes longer to boot up than the linux box it self :)
[07:08] <holycow> hehe
[07:08] <Olathe_> In /, ls -R | grep grub\\.conf fails also.
[07:08] <holycow> well it seems that way anyhaow....
[07:09] <holycow> pluto, make-clean gives you an error? i'm not sure where to go with that
[07:09] <holycow> pluto, try #ubuntu-devel
[07:09] <Olathe_> How do I have whatever autogenerate a new grub.conf file ?
[07:09] <holycow> maybe there is a specific issue i'm not familiar with
[07:10] <holycow> Olathe, what exactly can that question possibly mean?
[07:10] <Olathe_> Ahh, found menu.lst in the man page.
[07:10] <hustler1> how can i enable write access to my USB drive?
[07:10] <holycow> its in /boot/grub bro
[07:10] <holycow> :)
[07:10] <Olathe_> It means that, since I couldn't find a grub.conf file, I wanted some program or another to create it.
[07:10] <Olathe_> However menu.lst is the file.
[07:10] <holycow> cool
[07:11] <terraco> is there a device update area for ubuntu
[07:11] <Hansel> device update?
[07:11] <Hansel> you mean drivers updates?
[07:11] <terraco> yeah
[07:11] <holycow> its automatic when you update
[07:11] <pisante> where do i go to get technical support from ubuntu
[07:11] <holycow> righ there
[07:12] <adrift> where to the programmers for debian and ubuntu find the time to volunteer all of their work... i'm assuming the majority of it is volunteer work right?
[07:12] <Hansel> yeah... its automatic with apt-get update
[07:12] <holycow> or you can pay for professional help
[07:12] <holycow> they have some figures and contact numbers on their site
[07:12] <Hansel> adrift - many open source developers work a 9 to 5 and then do this in their spare time...
[07:12] <holycow> adrift, they don't.  you take a large project
[07:12] <Hansel> or they work jobs that dont require their full attention (ie; supporting servers where you only have to work when something goes wrong)
[07:12] <holycow> they you ad thousands and thousands of developers
[07:12] <cyphase> is there a Zeroconf extension for firefox?
[07:12] <holycow> and you spread the development over the course of many many years
[07:12] <holycow> you are correct tho
[07:12] <terraco> well all my stuff is unknown to the device manager so thats why I am asking
[07:13] <holycow> debian is truly an incredible accomplishment
[07:13] <adrift> wow, that's just amazing to me. the whole open source ethic seems so well.. noble i guess
[07:13] <holycow> we need to recognize that and really give them credit and help tho
[07:13] <holycow> adrift, yeah actually its not
[07:13] <holycow> where is this link i found
[07:13] <Hansel> terraco - you can try insmod... you have to guess a lot though  :)
[07:13] <adrift> haha why's that?
[07:13] <holycow> its actually a tit for tat game theory modus
[07:13] <holycow> its actually very very self serving and corrupt
[07:14] <holycow> but it works because of the tit for tat approach
[07:14] <Madpilot> ubotu, enter | holycow
[07:14] <adrift> i can't tell if youre being sarcastic or serious
[07:14] <ubotu> holycow: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:14] <Madpilot> ;)
[07:14] <holycow> and we have the critical mass of developers / users to make it work
[07:14] <terraco> well wouldnt be to hard its all toshiba
[07:14] <holycow> adrift, let me find th elink that explains it
[07:14] <adrift> so essentially you're saying that everyone is trying to out do the other guy for the props then
[07:14] <holycow> no
[07:15] <holycow> everyone is basically out for them selves and their own reasons
[07:15] <Hansel> props?
[07:15] <Hansel> uh...
[07:15] <Ashton_K> Tried to join this channel with a cd command.
[07:15] <Ashton_K> Derrr.
[07:15] <Madpilot> holycow & adrift - #ubuntu-offtopic or PM for non-support discussion, pls
[07:15] <Hansel> adrift - basically they live in their mothers basements and dont have girlfriends or lives outside of computers.  So in their spare time (which is basically any time spent not working) they code.
[07:16] <terraco> personally I haven't run across anyone who wants credit for making Ubuntu.
[07:16] <Ashton_K> Too many people for one person to say "I made it."
[07:16] <holycow> Madpilot, understanding the why sometimes helps explain the how.  try to be a little flexible
[07:17] <holycow> if the conversation was about football then i would wholy agree with you
[07:17] <Hansel> the kernel, gnome, kde, firefox... every piece has tons of developers </conversation><take it to #ubunto-offtopic>
[07:17] <defrysk> holycow, maybe you should try to listen
[07:17] <holycow> http://www.videosift.com/video/Richard-Dawkins-Nice-Guys-Finish-First-documentary-47min
[07:17] <Hansel> ubuntu even heh.
[07:18] <adrift> thanks holycow. Sorry Madpilot, i'll try to stay on topic.
[07:18] <holycow> adrift, there that should help explain the benefit of open source, how the community benefits from individual selfish decisions
[07:18] <adrift> thank you
[07:18] <holycow> defrysk, do i need to remind you what i think of people like your self?
[07:18] <holycow> i would recommend not tackling me on such things
[07:18] <holycow> anyway that it for today ubuntu 101
[07:18] <Ashton_K> I entered at a strange time.
[07:18] <defrysk> ?
[07:19] <adrift> haha. ok
[07:19] <holycow> Ashton_K, not at all :) whats your question?
[07:20] <Ashton_K> Eh, having issues with the Madwifi driver.
[07:20] <Ashton_K> Was wating for awol to come back to the madwifi channel.
[07:21] <Ashton_K> He's the guy who has been walking my sorry carcase through the whole process.
[07:21] <exs_> What's the best and easiest way of backing up my system?
[07:21] <Hansel> exs_ well... unless you have some unique kernel configurations you can just backup /home and /etc
[07:21] <Hansel> the rest is taken care of via a reinstall.
[07:21] <defrysk> !backup | exs_
[07:21] <ubotu> exs_: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:22] <holycow> Ashton_K, oh that can be crazy i know
[07:22] <holycow> Ashton_K, i've given up trying to make odd hardware work
[07:22] <pisante> has anyone ever had problems with sound
[07:22] <holycow> i only purchase known to work out of the box stuff these days
[07:22] <Music_Shuffle> !anyone
[07:22] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:22] <Music_Shuffle> pisante, what...sort of problems?
[07:23] <pisante> i can play my cds but there is no sound
[07:23] <Ashton_K> holycow, the annoying thing is, this card *should* be supported out of the box.
[07:23] <Ashton_K> It has an Atheros chip in it, it worked on a fresh install.
[07:23] <Ashton_K> But stopped working after an update.
[07:23] <Ashton_K> So I'm doing a manual compile
[07:23] <asdx> hi, will feisty ship binary drivers or not?
[07:24] <pisante> i have soundblaster live vale 4 gateway
[07:25] <adrift> i'd like to change the icon for an executable on my desktop. how would i go about doing that?
[07:25] <pisante> this is the only chat that i no to go to
[07:25] <holycow> Ashton_K, oh that sounds madenning
[07:25] <MeanderingCode> does ubuntu (xubuntu, actually) have frame buffers enabled already?
[07:26] <starkruzr> can anyone help me out with getting VNC working?  the Wiki is not being helpful.  I need to know which package to install (there are a few) and the Wiki tells me to edit files that don't exist in order to get it working.
[07:26] <holycow> MeanderingCode, what do you mean, like aiglx enabled by default?
[07:26] <pisante> hello music_shuffle????
[07:26] <kitche> MeanderingCode: yes it does
[07:27] <Music_Shuffle> Err, sorry. I actually have no idea why you have sound issues. >.<
[07:27] <pisante> damn
[07:27] <MeanderingCode> wanting to install qingy (graphical login/desktop manager for console) and it needs frame buffer support, as it's graphical but no X anything is started
[07:27] <pisante> could it be drivers
[07:27] <MeanderingCode> ah
[07:27] <MeanderingCode> thanks
[07:27] <Cheyenne> starkruser whats your problem
[07:27] <kitche> MeanderingCode: without framebuffer the usplash would be useless :)
[07:28] <pisante> is soundblaster live compatible with linux?
[07:28] <MeanderingCode> well, good point
[07:28] <asdx> pisante: yes and very well
[07:28] <vader> pisante, I used to have on working with 5.10......... I haven't tried lately
[07:28] <Music_Shuffle> Is it not? I bought a sound card for the low price of $7.49....and it works. I should hope a card costing several orders of magnitude more works. /
[07:28] <Music_Shuffle> =/*
[07:28] <pisante> tru that
[07:29] <holycow> Music_Shuffle, actually the opposite is true
[07:29] <holycow> expensive sound cards have weird proprietary drivers
[07:29] <pisante> maybe i should go get one 4 7.49
[07:29] <holycow> the cheapos have been reverse engineered for ages
[07:29] <pisante> :)
[07:29] <holycow> pisante, i did that in a system where onboard didn't work
[07:29] <holycow> it was faster/cheaper to buy one like that than muck about with figuring out why
[07:30] <Ashton_K> I'm leading some poor bastard on the #madwifi channel through installing madwifi on suse.
[07:30] <Ashton_K> This might end poorly.
[07:30] <Ashton_K> (Thankfully madwifi offers pre-compiled suse variants)
[07:30] <holycow> best way to learn
[07:30] <pisante> i dont even think i have onboard sound
[07:30] <MasterLexx> what size is a block of ext3fs in ubuntu stndard?
[07:30] <MasterLexx> 1k or 4k?
[07:30] <Ashton_K> So basically I'm leading him through yast, which I don't use.
[07:30] <Ashton_K> :P
[07:30] <Music_Shuffle> pisante, same.
[07:30] <pisante> sad huh
[07:30] <Music_Shuffle> The onboard sound on my board, was a module
[07:30] <Ashton_K> I use onboard sound.
[07:30] <Ashton_K> I don't have onboard video though.
[07:31] <Music_Shuffle> that I can't install without moving the case exhaust, so i said forget it.
[07:31] <Pulshion> does anyone know how to restart Xserver...everytime i switch to single monitor and then eather reboot or ctrl+alt+backspace it changes back to clone mode in Ati control panel
[07:31] <Ashton_K> Seems that's becoming a lot more popular, motherboards without onboard video.
[07:31] <pisante> how do i telll if i have onboard sound?
[07:31] <Ashton_K> Look at it.
[07:31] <holycow> Pulshion, thats how you restart x server actually
[07:31] <pisante> ok
[07:31] <Music_Shuffle> pisante, check if you have sound ports?
[07:31] <Ashton_K> If the sound plugs are next to your PS2 slots and USB slots.
[07:31] <Music_Shuffle> I'd vote that as a pretty foolproof way.
[07:31] <holycow> Pulshion, maybe you want to restarg gdm sessio nmanager via sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:32] <Ashton_K> I wish that proof worked in math.
[07:32] <Pulshion> holycow...ill try that and get back on brb
[07:32] <Ashton_K> Instead of mathematically proving something intersects, we should be able to say "Just look at it!"
[07:32] <pisante> i ndont
[07:32] <pisante> dont
[07:32] <Ashton_K> No sound for you then.
[07:32] <Music_Shuffle> Then you lack onboard sound.
[07:32] <pisante> maybe my sound card is bad
[07:33] <Music_Shuffle> Ashton_K, I know! I'd have liked geometry more then. =[
[07:33] <Ashton_K> Sound cards are pretty cheap, even 5.1
[07:33] <Music_Shuffle> Bad != nonexistent.
[07:33] <Ashton_K> Well...
[07:33] <Music_Shuffle> Yea. $7.49 counting shipping is cheap.
[07:33] <pisante> cool
[07:33] <pisante> thanx gutys
[07:33] <Ashton_K> Music, it's worse in pre-calc.
[07:33] <starkruzr> Cheyenne: I don't know what package I should be using.
[07:33] <Ashton_K> Geometric structures, etc.
[07:33] <Ashton_K> Erm, mathematical
[07:33] <pisante> is there any configuration that i can do?
[07:33] <Ashton_K> ?
[07:33] <Music_Shuffle> Eh, my precalc teacher wasn't a huge fan of proofs though
[07:33] <Music_Shuffle> So I got away in that class.
[07:33] <CheyenneD> VNC should be installed
[07:33] <Music_Shuffle> Same with calc. ./cheers.
[07:34] <Ashton_K> My precalc teacher is going for a PHD in mathematics.
[07:34] <Ashton_K> Tests hurt.
[07:34] <Music_Shuffle> Although I might've liked math moreso in general if I had understood it a bit better.
[07:34] <Music_Shuffle> But we digress from the topic of the channel now. xD
[07:34] <Music_Shuffle> pisante, not if the card isn't present
[07:34] <pisante> later guys
[07:34] <Ashton_K> True.
[07:34] <Music_Shuffle> GL.
[07:35] <Pulshion> cow, it didnt work
[07:35] <Ashton_K> Hypothetically though, if I get this madwifi thingie working, I should be able to simply copy and paste it from one identical machine to the next.
[07:35] <Ashton_K> Hypothetically, knowing my luck.
[07:35] <pisante> what does gl mean
[07:35] <holycow> Pulshion, well it did if all you needed to do was restart x
[07:35] <Ashton_K> Good luck.
[07:35] <Ashton_K> :P
[07:35] <holycow> something else is then the issue
[07:35] <stjepan> pisante, graphics library?
[07:35] <pisante> tahnx
[07:35] <holycow> what is it your trying to do?
[07:35] <pisante> haha lol
[07:35] <pisante> peace
[07:35] <Pulshion> holycow, all im trying to do is switch from clone mode to single monitor mode in ati contol panel
[07:36] <holycow> clone mode? oh what is that? you mean dual screen?
[07:36] <CoderX> does anyone know what is needed to compile glibc 2.3.6?
[07:36] <Pulshion> holycow, yea, thats what it was, i want to just have single
[07:37] <holycow> Pulshion, okay well, i won't be able to help beyond offering some basic info because i hate ati and don't use it
[07:37] <holycow> Pulshion, basically what that control panel dealy is doing is either modifying your xorg.conf file or restoring a single screen version and replacing it
[07:37] <Ashton_K> nVidia is nice, they provide graphics drivers for the poor linux-man/woman.
[07:37] <Ashton_K> :P
[07:37] <holycow> and yes it is correct you haveto restart x for that
[07:37] <Ashton_K> Argh! Backup your xorg.conf file!
[07:37] <Ashton_K> I've been through that mess before.
[07:38] <holycow> Pulshion, however, what it sounds like is that control panel deal isn't able to CORRECTLY restore the right xorg.conf file or xorg.conf settings
[07:38] <Pulshion> holycow, yea ill try that thanx. my drivers seem like they arent installed correctly
[07:38] <holycow> Pulshion, so you are restarting x fine, but the settings aren't properly done
[07:38] <als> i want to get into linux programming but i'm fairly new to linux. Is there any book that you would recommend to me?
[07:38] <holycow> Pulshion, what you might want to do is either find a backup default xorg.conf file and restore that
[07:38] <slicky> can i limit the bandwith in ubuntu for like dcpp?
[07:38] <holycow> Pulshion, or you may want to try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:38] <Pulshion> holycow, yea
[07:38] <Pulshion> ill try that
[07:38] <holycow> and first try selecting vesa to see if that brings it back
[07:38] <Pulshion> thanx a lot
[07:38] <Ashton_K> als, depends, do you know C?
[07:39] <Ashton_K> (Or C++?)
[07:39] <als> learning c++ right now
[07:39] <holycow> then you can try to select the ati drivers to see if it stays in single moni mode
[07:39] <Ashton_K> The best thing to do is dive in it.
[07:39] <Ashton_K> Linux is designed for crash courses, and if crash is literal, so be it.
[07:39] <holycow> if it does you can try reinstalling the fglrx drivers .. make sure you keep a backup copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:39] <holycow> i hope that helps in a roundabout way
[07:39] <Ashton_K> (If you're gonna muck around in the details, be warned that you may break everything)
[07:39] <Ashton_K> Until you get used to everything.
[07:39] <als> i'm reading building and extending gaim just to get a feel for the gtk and the compilers
[07:39] <als> then i'll complete the c++ book
[07:40] <als> hopefully that'll provide me with enough knowledge to develop apps
[07:40] <Ashton_K> Make sure you run apt-get install build-essential
[07:40] <Ashton_K> To get everything you need to compile stuff.
[07:40] <als> yep, did that :D
[07:40] <Ashton_K> (Not realising that just caused awol and me about 3 hours of headache)
[07:40] <als> ha
[07:40] <holycow> Ashton_K, -_-
[07:41] <Ashton_K> Yeah, I know.
[07:41] <holycow> thats a homer :)
[07:41] <racarr> Als: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/upe/
[07:41] <radar1976> ok back now...
[07:41] <nn> Sadly, i must say, my love for ubuntu has been destroyed by the retarded keymaps in recent releases which makes caps lock behave as a shift lock, by default
[07:41] <Ashton_K> Erm?
[07:41] <radar1976> ok  anyone have any issues with Edgy
[07:41] <i7ch> what's a good app to convert DVDs to an ipod-playable mp4 format?
[07:41] <jengc0il> hi there
[07:41] <Ashton_K> Radar, besides madwifi, no.
[07:41] <Ashton_K> And that's... 90% fixed.
[07:41] <als> i really want to port xfire for gaim beta
[07:41] <slicky> hi, does a bandwidth limiter exist in the linux world?
[07:41] <radar1976> I have keyboard problems, browser freezing
[07:42] <als> but by the time i learn all this, that'll already be done :(
[07:42] <racarr> als: http://publications.gbdirect.co.uk/c_book/ is also a really good book on C
[07:42] <jengc0il> !seen nothlit
[07:42] <ubotu> I haven't seen nothlit recently
[07:42] <nn> radar1976: Yes, the keymap is busted by default for US users
[07:42] <Ashton_K> Eh, no project in linux is ever "done," it's either "being worked on," or "dead."
[07:42] <nn> radar1976: caps lock acintg as a shift-lock? :)
[07:42] <als> racarr: ty
[07:42] <jengc0il> jengc0il@myUbuntu-b0x:~$ sudo -i
[07:42] <jengc0il> sudo: unable to lookup myUbuntu-b0x via gethostbyname()
[07:42] <Ashton_K> nn, time to learn how to use a dvorak keyboard?
[07:42] <jengc0il> any idea
[07:42] <radar1976> nn yes
[07:42] <jengc0il> ?
[07:42] <leekraft> having trouble with an HP 1315 printer -- won't use the black cartridge.  any suggestions?
[07:42] <radar1976> uh now
[07:42] <radar1976> err no
[07:43] <radar1976> shift doesn't work
[07:43] <b0ss_> LOL
[07:43] <nn> Ashton_K: Why? I type 140 wpm on my qwerty :P
[07:43] <Ashton_K> Me too.
[07:43] <radar1976> holding down shift will not type upper case
[07:43] <Ashton_K> Devorak is supposed to be better though, never learned it though.
[07:43] <racarr> Als: Depending on how much C you know, and if you are looking on getting in to Linux programming http://beryl-project.org could use more developoers
[07:43] <Ashton_K> It'd be a hinderance, since I still need to use QWERTY at school.
[07:43] <als> Ashton_k: u seem to know a lot about linux programming. Is there any messenger i can contact you by?
[07:43] <radar1976> I'm getting random freezing of programs
[07:43] <racarr> als:developers*
[07:43] <Ashton_K> racarr, you use Beryl?
[07:43] <nn> wow, that's a bit worse than mine in that if i press caps-lock i get things like !@#$%^&*()_ from my numeric keys, and so on
[07:43] <radar1976> I never had this problem with dapper
[07:43] <radar1976> on the same laptop
[07:43] <racarr> Ashton_K: Use and develop :p
[07:43] <radar1976> it is a powerbook
[07:44] <radar1976> so ppc platform
[07:44] <Ashton_K> I'm thinking of using that as my personal one (Ubuntu is on a production machine)
[07:44] <nn> racarr: too bad my video card is lacking
[07:44] <Ashton_K> My love for Gentoo is dying, it won't boot.
[07:44] <b0ss_> gentoo owns all.
[07:44] <b0ss_> and slax
[07:44] <Ashton_K> At least, not without a CD and some serious manual mounting and a chroot.
[07:44] <jengc0il> hi boss
[07:44] <racarr> Ashton_K: I like it, a lot of usability features lately like the new Opacify plugin...and a few more ways to balance bling and usability
[07:44] <Ashton_K> I'm gonna give it another go tomorrow night, then I might try Beryl.
[07:45] <nn> Ashton_K: if you want to see a sick boot process, you need to look at my machine
[07:45] <jengc0il> b0ss_:
[07:45] <racarr> Ashton_K: I.e. the 3D windows effect only on moouse driven rotate...new release is today...
[07:45] <racarr> Actually, I take that back, new release is scheduled for today
[07:45] <Hansel> als - I recommend ruby </recommendation>
[07:45] <racarr> nn: What do you have?
[07:45] <Ashton_K> I've been told that Beryl is a very, very pretty OS.
[07:45] <Hansel> Ashton_K - it's not an OS
[07:45] <racarr> Ashton_K: ? It's just a window manager
[07:45] <Hansel> it's a window manager
[07:45] <Hansel> :)
[07:46] <radar1976> ok thats odd, if I have caps lock on, holding down shift gives lower case
[07:46] <Ashton_K> Man, I am not looking too intelligent tonight.
[07:46] <radar1976> so is that shift-lock
[07:46] <radar1976> ?
[07:46] <nn> Ashton_K: it boots a small network boot manager from the flash rom, assesses the network situation, and then depending on that, it offers me the list of available boot images on the nearby server
[07:46] <Hansel> Ashton_K - but yes, it is very pretty.  It puts MacOS's eye candy to shame.
[07:46] <als> Hansel: I've actually tried ruby. I mean c++ won't be my first language. I've learned php. It has similar syntax
[07:46] <Ashton_K> Hey, not as dumb as working for hours before realising to try apt-get install build-essential.
[07:46] <nn> If there's no network server available (perhaps i'm mobile) it boots off a raid stripe on 4x 2gb thumbdrives
[07:46] <racarr> als: C ftw!
[07:46] <Ashton_K> I'll try that.... if gentoo works.
[07:47] <Ashton_K> Wonder if it's in the Gentoo portage tree?
[07:47] <racarr> nn: My computer boots from the primary hard drive, beat that
[07:47] <nn> racarr: My computer doesn't have harddrives :P
[07:47] <racarr> Ashton_K: I think so, but we have someone who releases ebuilds I know...
[07:47] <nn> just 4 thumbdrives
[07:47] <Ashton_K> Yes, but "emerge beryl" would be so much easier.
[07:47] <als> racarr: isn't the main difference between C and C++ the oop in C++
[07:47] <racarr> Ashton_K: If it is in portage it's likely older
[07:47] <Ashton_K> True.
[07:47] <nn> als: basically, C++ is a superset of C
[07:48] <Hansel> uh... heh.
[07:48] <racarr> als: Sort of, theres a lot of more subtle differences as well
[07:48] <Ashton_K> But no Beryl for me until Gentoo you know... works.
[07:48] <Ashton_K> Boot issues.
[07:48] <als> nn: thx :D
[07:48] <Ashton_K> Either I borked the Kernel, or Grub despises my guts.
[07:48] <racarr> als: C Compilers tend to do quite a bit better though
[07:48] <radar1976> nn  how do i fix shift-lock
[07:48] <Hansel> Ashton_K - did you go to lilo on accident?  heh.
[07:48] <Ashton_K> No, using Grub....
[07:48] <nn> Ah yes.. i've yet to see a decent c++ optimizer, tho gcc4 is getting nice
[07:48] <Matix> can I boot logical drives?
[07:48] <Ashton_K> It'll boot Windows, but no Gentoo....
[07:48] <als> racarr: is there anyway i can contact you outside of irc
[07:49] <racarr> nn: Larger executables as well
[07:49] <nn> radar1976: I don't know, my solution is going to be installing solaris ;)\
[07:49] <racarr> als: Sure, robbjedi on AIM
[07:49] <Ashton_K> racarr, I'll probably wander your way in July, when I know C++
[07:49] <radar1976> well that doesn't work for me... i have ppc
[07:49] <Ashton_K> (Or, some of it at least)
[07:49] <nn> radar1976: if you avoid RTTI (then why use C++ really tho?) you can disable it and save considerable space
[07:49] <radar1976> no solaris for ppc
[07:49] <racarr> nn: Though that is optimization as well, just relating more to the design than a compiler
[07:49] <radar1976> rtti
[07:49] <racarr> Ashton_K: Hehe, good luck
[07:49] <nn> racarr: not using rtti?
[07:49] <radar1976> ?
[07:50] <Ashton_K> Currently my programming knowledge is..... VB!
[07:50] <nn> radar1976: wrong person, sorry :)
[07:50] <radar1976> oh
[07:50] <radar1976> hehe
[07:50] <racarr> Ashton_K: My condolences
[07:50] <nn> Ashton_K: friendly advice, forget everything you know about VB
[07:50] <Ashton_K> Will do, when I stop getting graded on it.
[07:50] <Ashton_K> :P
[07:50] <b0ss_> LOL VB
[07:50] <nn> Ashton_K: just completely unlearn it. otherwise you will be unable to learn another language
[07:50] <goldbond> how can i setup iptables by directly editing the config file? i read a tutorial a while ago, but cannot find one like it now
[07:50] <b0ss_> vb sucks
[07:50] <Ashton_K> I will, when grades don't depend on it.
[07:50] <b0ss_> it teaches you
[07:50] <b0ss_> horrtible programming methos
[07:50] <b0ss_> not used int he real world
[07:51] <racarr> nn: I don't really code in C++ unless I have to
[07:51] <Ashton_K> Half procedural, half object, half event...?!?
[07:51] <racarr> b0ss_: I disagree, it teaches you horrible programming methods used in the real world
[07:51] <starkruzr> can someone help me start up VNC from SSH as opposed to the "Remote Desktop Service" thing in GNOME?  I am 700 miles away from my machine and can't do it the easy way.
[07:51] <nn> racarr: the only C++-ism i really love is class's
[07:51] <b0ss_> lol
[07:51] <Ashton_K> nn, you like C better?
[07:51] <b0ss_> racarr: much agreed
[07:51] <Hansel> goldbond - iptables -L
[07:51] <nn> racarr: and you can emulate class's with a few macro's and a struct
[07:51] <nn> Ashton_K: yea
[07:51] <exs> I am currently trying to backup my new instillation (just got everything fixed) .. Could I not just put my external HD into my laptop, then copy and paste everything from "/" ?...Would it work when I come to restore everything if I need to? Thanks
[07:51] <als> isnt vb really really bad to learn. I heard it develops bad habbits for programmers :(
[07:51] <racarr> nn: Class's are nice, but you can have OO of sorts in C as well, the VFS layer in the kernel is an example
[07:52] <b0ss_> yes
[07:52] <nn> exs: not a great idea
[07:52] <racarr> nn: I would say that does OO as well as C++ through cleverness
[07:52] <Ashton_K> Eh, while I'm in here, burning up my time.
[07:52] <Ashton_K> Does anyone know much about RAID 1?
[07:52] <racarr> Beryl pretends to be OO
[07:52] <b0ss_> c++ is hard.
[07:52] <Hansel> als - you can develop bad habits in any language... VB just makes it much easier to get away with it.  :)  Using timers instead of loops for example.
[07:52] <exs> nn:  well, i have an external HD and I want to save everything like it is now onto another hard drive so i can restore it later
[07:52] <b0ss_> perl is easy
[07:52] <racarr> als<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on MSN as well
[07:52] <nn> racarr: yea, it's definitely doable.. i'm afraid of OO stuf
[07:52] <Hansel> lol b0ss_
[07:52] <b0ss_> join #perl
[07:52] <nn> Hansel: actaually, i like the timers thing :)
[07:52] <Ashton_K> Anyone know much about RAID 1 in here?
[07:53] <racarr> I used to code in perl so much...
[07:53] <goldbond> hansel: what command would i use to accept http traffic on 80?
[07:53] <b0ss_> i still doo
[07:53] <b0ss_> i play with 10 liners
[07:53] <nn> Hansel: if correctly implemented and used, they can be very good (of course in C you can do the same thing)
[07:53] <als> racarr: perl is extremely difficult to learn :( regular expressions... :((
[07:53] <Hansel> goldbond - go google "KISS my firewall"  They have a good sample script which configures iptables and explains some basic syntax
[07:53] <racarr> als: Mm, regular expressions are hard to read but not that hard to learn after a while
[07:53] <racarr> als: One thing I like about python is you can embed documentation in to regular expressions
[07:53] <goldbond> thanks
[07:54] <Akuma_> anyone here used "ubuntusetup.sh" ? do you recommend it?
[07:54] <nn> exs: there's many good backup tools out there, the problem is you need to backup permissions and device files and all as well as just the files
[07:54] <Hansel> nn - my point exactly... but in VB you just drag and drop a pretty timer onto your form then add the code for it.  Not that easy in C :)
[07:54] <als> racarr: it's just hard to get use to perl. extremely confusing
[07:54] <Ashton_K> racarr, does the Beryl site have any screenshots? I want eye candy without having to install.
[07:54] <starkruzr> If you know anything about configuring VNC via the command line, please raise your hand.
[07:54] <racarr> Hansel: sure it is
[07:54] <exs> nn:  is there a guide (easy one) you can point me to?
[07:54] <als> racarr: that's why i like ruby or php :D
[07:54] <Hansel> racarr - as easy as clicking and dragging?  Do tell.
[07:55] <racarr> Ashton_K: http://www.beryl-project.org/features.php
[07:55] <xdragonx> im having trouble installing drivers for ati 9550 card ... and wanting to pull hair out can anyone help?
[07:55] <Firefishe> I'm compiling wine source into a .deb file for ubuntu/kubuntu 6.06 (dapper) for POWER PC and I get this compile error:  http://pastebin.com/844083
[07:55] <racarr> Hansel: Using something like Qt it can be almost that easy
[07:55] <nn> exs: i just have script i wrote for backing my machines up, but i really dont thing it's what you want
[07:55] <nn> Firefishe: wine runs on ppc?
[07:55] <racarr> Hansel: And there are all sorts of simple libraries for timers
[07:55] <exs> nn:  why?
[07:55] <exs> nn:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087&highlight=backup Does this one look ok?
[07:55] <racarr> Hansel: Qt designer might have timer stuff, likewise with Glade
[07:56] <Hansel> ...might... could... possibly... may...
[07:56] <Hansel> we can go back and forth all day
[07:56] <Firefishe> nn well,  I thought it would.  I get a compile error.  Or am I missing something **important?** ;)
[07:56] <b0ss_> why are there  SO MANY PROBLEMS
[07:56] <CheyenneD> I have been trying to help starkruzr with his VNC problem. Can anyone help him?
[07:56] <Eclypse> I have my FGLRX drivers setup properly (or so fglrxinfo says) but when I run the system tests on Cedega, 3D Acceleration fails....
[07:56] <als> is programming the gui extremely difficult for linux
[07:56] <b0ss_> EVERYONE WITH PROBLEMS GO BACK TO WINDOWS!
[07:56] <racarr> Hansel: Yeah
[07:56] <nn> exs: i do backup over NFS from a dozen machines
[07:56] <b0ss_> NO
[07:56] <racarr> als: No, not at all
[07:56] <Hansel> als - not with UI designers...
[07:56] <b0ss_> lol
[07:56] <Hansel> als - if you do it from scratch then yes.  :)
[07:57] <racarr> Als: Qt is a really good widget set, the only reason I use C++ ever
[07:57] <Ashton_K> ooo, pretty....
[07:57] <racarr> Als: And quite pleasant as far as GUI design goes
[07:57] <b0ss_> c++ is hard
[07:57] <b0ss_> extremely hard
[07:57] <xdragonx> c++ isnt that hard
[07:57] <exs> nn:  is there not an easy way of like, using a live cd, booting that up, connecting my external HD and then backing up the laptops HD contents?
[07:57] <Hansel> define: "hard"
[07:57] <CheyenneD> I personally don't mind writing and typing for hours on end
[07:57] <Eclypse> I have my FGLRX drivers setup properly (or so fglrxinfo says) but when I run the system tests on Cedega, 3D Acceleration fails....
[07:57] <als> Yes, i'm totally going to try to attempt creating small plugins before i have to go back to school (7 days from now)
[07:58] <CheyenneD> I do that on a daily basis
[07:58] <racarr> exs: cp -a
[07:58] <nn> exs: are you looking for a one time thing or something for occaisonal backups?
[07:58] <racarr> exs: It preserves permissions and all that
[07:58] <CheyenneD> I have been trying to help starkruzr with his VNC problem. Can anyone help him?
[07:58] <goldbond> hansel: kiss gives me the error: Since the ip_tables, ipt_state, and/or ipt_multiport modules do not exist, KISS can not function. Firewall script aborted!
[07:58] <goldbond> what does that mean?
[07:58] <b0ss_> vnc...
[07:58] <nn> racarr: -x might be good too
[07:58] <b0ss_> whats his problem
[07:58] <b0ss_> he cant get his server started
[07:58] <exs> racarr:  I don't want to go into the terminal or any of that business..
[07:58] <Eclypse> I have my FGLRX drivers setup properly (or so fglrxinfo says) but when I run the system tests on Cedega, 3D Acceleration fails....  anyone know what I can do? or what?
[07:59] <Firefishe> nn: I'm new at this.  Let me guess, .exe=x86 based functionality only, correct?
[07:59] <racarr> nn: GOOD POINT
[07:59] <racarr> exs: I don't know then, sorry
[07:59] <b0ss_> yes
[07:59] <radar1976> anyone able to fix shift-lock issue
[07:59] <Ashton_K> Anyone know much about the madwifi driver?
[07:59] <b0ss_> x86 is 32 bit
[07:59] <Hansel> Firefishe - you can add a .exe file extension to a linux file... not common and most people do .bin if they do an extension at all.
[07:59] <exs> guys, I might just bloody put XP on my external HD, and use acronis true image if worst comes to the worst.. and it's looking like I'll have to
[07:59] <leprasmurf> hello all
[07:59] <blobaugh> is it possible to select an older version of a program in apt? i do not want the newest firefox. i googled but i guess i dont know what to search for
[07:59] <b0ss_> and  x 60 is  64 bit
[07:59] <nn> Hansel: he's trying to do wine on ppc
[07:59] <Hansel> Firefishe - you can use .exe file extensions in many architectures as well  :)
[07:59] <leprasmurf> trying to get my belkin wireless usb adapter working need some help
[07:59] <nn> Firefishe: at last i looked, wine is simply API emulation
[08:00] <Eclypse> could someone PLEASE answer me!?
[08:00] <b0ss_> BLOBAUGH: try  suo apt-cache search firefox 1.5
[08:00] <Firefishe> nn:  so shouldn't it, in theory, run  on power pc?
[08:00] <goldbond> hansel: are you familiar with that error?
[08:00] <b0ss_> sudo
[08:00] <b0ss_> my bad
[08:00] <racarr> exs: It would be easy, you could open a terminal and type 15 characters or so, but I think ubuntu does have some backup stuff now, search around
[08:00] <Hansel> goldbond - nope.
[08:00] <racarr> !backup
[08:00] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:00] <leprasmurf> I think I've got it working with ndiswrapper, but when I try to start it up it says the driver won't work with wpa
[08:00] <nn> Firefishe: why? It'd have to translate the instructions in the program you're running
[08:00] <Eclypse> wow
[08:00] <Eclypse> you guys suck.
[08:00] <racarr> exs: Check home user backup
[08:00] <nn> Firefishe: which goes against how wine gets it's speed
[08:00] <Hansel> Eclypse - not sure with that one... maybe your X config is missing the right driver?
[08:00] <exs> racarr:  I have tried those links already, the links are useless, I checked everyone
[08:00] <racarr> eclypse: What was your question?
[08:01] <blobaugh> b0ss_: i dont see an entry for firefox 1.5. i checked that already too ;)
 I have my FGLRX drivers setup properly (or so fglrxinfo says) but when I run the system tests on Cedega, 3D Acceleration fails....  anyone know what I can do? or what?
[08:01] <Firefishe> nn: well, for now, I'm just trying to figure out why I get that compile error,.
[08:01] <b0ss_> oo
[08:01] <exs> racarr:  The backup is meant to be  *BACKUP* .. not just user files.. I want eveytihng to be restored, I want icons, system configuration, prefrences, log files .. *EVERYTHING* to be restored
[08:01] <b0ss_> then i cant help =D
[08:01] <Eclypse> hansel, what do you mean?
[08:01] <CheyenneD> I have been trying to help starkruzr with his VNC problem. Can anyone help him?
[08:01] <blobaugh> b0ss_: thanks for trying :D
[08:01] <Eclypse> hansel, I installed xorg-driver-fglrx, fglrxinfo returns the apropriet.
[08:01] <racarr> exs: cp -a -x / /media/usbdrive, again, really the easiest solution
[08:01] <Hansel> Eclypse - you ran the fglrxinfo from CLI right?
[08:01] <VerdRousseau> Would anyone be able to help me setup my Dell Truemobile 1180 usb adapter with ndiswrapper, Ive been trying for days.
[08:02] <blobaugh> anyone else knkow how to downgrade a package in apt?
[08:02] <racarr> exs: assuming /media/usbdrive is your usbdrive
[08:02] <Eclypse> hansel what's CLI?
[08:02] <Hansel> command line interface
[08:02] <exs> racarr:  is this going to restore the partition ? ..
[08:02] <Ashton_K> exs, note that there's a space between those two /'s
[08:02] <Eclypse> yes I did.
[08:02] <Hansel> ie; not from X
[08:02] <Ashton_K> racarr, that's going to copy EVERYTHING to that backup drive.
[08:02] <Ashton_K> If you mount it.
[08:02] <racarr> exs: It's an exact copy of the file system, not an image, you wanted an image?
[08:02] <racarr> Ashton_K: What's what he wanted
[08:02] <Ashton_K> I know.
[08:02] <Hansel> well, did you manually update your X config file in which you are now trying to run cedega?
[08:02] <Ashton_K> I'm just explaining.
[08:02] <Hansel> did you also update your cedega config to recognize your use of this video driver?
[08:02] <nn> perhaps tar might be a good way of doing it too ;)
[08:03] <exs> racarr:  I just want to be able to restore everything perfectly. I have an external HD at my aid.
[08:03] <Ashton_K> Yeah, tarball teh whole damned system.
[08:03] <Ashton_K> Might take a while.
[08:03] <racarr> exs:  This might be a better solution for you
[08:03] <Eclypse> hansel, I used the sudo aticonfig --initial and --interface-type=Xv
[08:03] <racarr> exs: If your drive is /dev/sda
[08:03] <Ashton_K> RID 0 anyone?
[08:03] <Eclypse> hansel, and yes I did update my settings on cedega.
[08:03] <Ashton_K> *RAID 1
[08:03] <Ashton_K> 2AM and, halfway retarded, don't mind me.
[08:03] <racarr> exs: You can run dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -9 > /path/to/usb/drive/backup.dd.gz
[08:04] <Ashton_K> Oh my.
[08:04] <Hansel> eww
[08:04] <Ashton_K> gzip the whole thing?
[08:04] <racarr> exs: It reads all the data off the disk, compresses it, and put its on the last file
[08:04] <racarr> Ashton_K: He wanted an image...
[08:04] <exs> racarr:  I think I am going to have to go with the acronis true image and windows path
[08:04] <Ashton_K> That might... take a while.
[08:04] <racarr> exs: Ok, good luck
[08:04] <Ashton_K> Emphasis on "Good luck"
[08:04] <Ashton_K> Windows can't see ext3 by default.
[08:04] <Ashton_K> :P
[08:04] <racarr> it can't see ext3 with drivers wither
[08:04] <exs> see, this is why linux isn't that big yet.. things like backing up the system forces users to go into the command line. Users just don't want that
[08:04] <racarr> either
[08:05] <racarr> it just mounts them as ext2
[08:05] <Eclypse> hansel?
[08:05] <CheyenneD> Hey Ashton_K, I'm over-worked, under-payed, and in need of a day off also
[08:05] <nn> Firefishe: unfortunately, i'm pretty sure you're gonna need an emulator for the hardware
[08:05] <Ashton_K> exs, if you don't want to muck in the details, you're in the wrong distro.
[08:05] <idlemind> how'd you back up your windows pc after a clean install ... drag and drop copies
[08:05] <idlemind> you can still do that in linux
[08:05] <Ashton_K> CheyenneD, no offense, but where'd that come from?
[08:05] <exs> Ashton_K:  ubuntu is begged to be the easiest distibution
[08:05] <nn> racarr: dd'ing the drive directly imho is a very bad solution, what if (s)he has to replace a physical failed drive?
[08:06] <Ashton_K> exs, you can drag and drop if you want.
[08:06] <Firefishe> nn: I rmbr reading about that.  qemu for the emulation of the processor..that's what I forgot
[08:06] <racarr> nn: Probably a bad solution
[08:06] <Ashton_K> But exs, I find command line to be easier than GUI.
[08:06] <exs> Ashton_K:  that isn't  my point.. my point is that there's no nice GUI aplication for backing a system up
[08:06] <goldbond> does anyone here use KISS firewall? it seems ubuntu users need to change the the reffrences to ip_tables, ipt_state, and/or ipt_multiport. what are their names in ubuntu?
[08:06] <Ashton_K> See, you want GUI.
[08:06] <racarr> exs: Sure there is, we just don't know of one
[08:06] <nn> racarr: i use tar because even two drives of the exact same model number may have different geometries (particularly maxtor drives)
[08:06] <Ashton_K> Some of us, think command is better.
[08:06] <exs> Ashton_K:  well done, and that's available to you. But hey, there's some people that like GUI better than command, so where do they go?
[08:06] <Ashton_K> Windows.
[08:06] <makuseru> anyone know of a program to get videos off youtube?
[08:07] <racarr> exs: They research and find a GUI program
[08:07] <racarr> exs: Looking for you now
[08:07] <goldbond> makuseru: keepvids.com
[08:07] <exs> makuseru:  there's a firefox extension for that
[08:07] <CheyenneD> mak
[08:07] <Ashton_K> Or they do it the geek way, and setup RAID.
[08:07] <Ashton_K> :P
[08:07] <CheyenneD> Forget it
[08:07] <nn> i don't even have anything beyond an X server and tinywm on here (no clients, etc)
[08:07] <nn> Ashton_K: I have raid on my thumbdrive root :P
[08:07] <exs> racarr:  they shouldn't have to look around, they are normal users, normal users don't want to dick around with an operating system for it to just *work*
[08:07] <Ashton_K> Oh my.
[08:07] <Ashton_K> You boot off a thumb drive, and have RAID on it?
[08:07] <Ashton_K> That... is beautiful.
[08:07] <nn> Ashton_K: yea, 4 thumbdrives actually
[08:07] <Eclypse> hansell you there?
[08:07] <racarr> exs: No matter what the operating system is, you HAVE to find a program to backup
[08:07] <Eclypse> hansel you there*
[08:08] <Ashton_K> What kinda raid?
[08:08] <nn> Ashton_K: 4x 2gb USB 2.0 mounted inside the thin client
[08:08] <racarr> exs: Or it comes with the distribution, ubuntu in fact does come with everything you need to back things up
[08:08] <nn> Ashton_K: stripe
[08:08] <Ashton_K> So, 0?
[08:08] <racarr> exs: If you do not like that approach, you can search for a solution more to your liking just as you would on any other systeme
[08:08] <racarr> nn: That is incredible
[08:08] <exs> racarr:  No they shouldn't, there's no law in the government to say "NO OPERATING SYSTEM WILL HAVE A BACKUP UTILITY"
[08:08] <nn> yea, just to gain a bit more speed out of the drives
[08:08] <CheyenneD> Quick Question, Can you RAID 4 250gb USB Drives?
[08:08] <Ashton_K> exs, calm down.
[08:08] <Ashton_K> Christ.
[08:08] <Ashton_K> The thing with ubuntu is.
[08:08] <Ashton_K> All you need to know, to install a program.
[08:08] <Ashton_K> Is the name.
[08:08] <nn> CheyenneD: Are you booting from them?
[08:09] <Ashton_K> apt-get install programname.
[08:09] <CheyenneD> no
[08:09] <exs> Ashton_K:  you shouldn't have to know the name.. ubuntu should have the application for you
[08:09] <Ashton_K> Or applications ->install programs
[08:09] <nn> CheyenneD: yes then, easily
[08:09] <exs> and for an application that backs up your system, this is a high priority
[08:09] <Ashton_K> There, a GUI tool for you.
[08:09] <Ashton_K> To find applications, and install them.
[08:09] <nn> CheyenneD: boot is slightly trickier ;)
[08:09] <exs> Ashton_K:  it needs to be installed already.
[08:09] <Ashton_K> No, it doesn't.
[08:09] <nn> Ashton_K: I lose 8mb on each drive, however for /boot partition (which i have to update on all 4 if i change it)
[08:10] <CheyenneD> I have one int drive that the machine bootsfrom
[08:10] <nn> Ashton_K: due to the bios having apparently random USB boot device selection criteria
[08:10] <Ashton_K> So, you have one in each.
[08:10] <exs> Ashton_K:  yes it does. Normal users don't want to fanny about with installing programs. This is where we can get the advantage over windows. If we don't have that advantage, then there's no point to switch to linux
[08:10] <nn> CheyenneD: yea, should be exactly the same as setting up regular raid
[08:10] <Ashton_K> exs, in case you didn't notice, this is LINUX.
[08:10] <exs> Ashton_K:  a backup utility is very important
[08:10] <Ashton_K> By the definition of "normal" we aren't.
[08:10] <Ashton_K> Since normal, is determined by numbers.
[08:10] <nn> Ashton_K: yea, just 8mb, because the bios seemingly randomly selects which usb device if more than one are bootable
[08:10] <racarr> exs: There are well in excess of ten programs on your system you could use to back things up
[08:11] <exs> Ashton_K:  Yo know why ubuntu exsists?.. because mark shuttleworth wants the ubuntu cut into the mainstream
[08:11] <racarr> exs: Kdar might be what you are looking for
[08:11] <racarr> exs:  Uh, I don't think so, I think it's because he wants to make a good operating system
[08:11] <CheyenneD> I have my server make autobackups of my linux pc's monthly onto DVD's
[08:11] <exs> racarr:  but the normal masses of people want this stuff installed already, they don't want to dick around
[08:11] <Ashton_K> (I don't use Ubuntu for my personal computer exs, I use Gentoo)
[08:11] <Ashton_K> :P
[08:11] <nn> I recommend looking in the package tool (synaptic i think it is?)
[08:11] <Ashton_K> Yes.
[08:11] <racarr> exs: http://kdar.sourceforge.net/, it's in synaptic
[08:11] <Ashton_K> Synaptic.
[08:11] <nn> exs: Why? I don't want anything installed that i don't ask for
[08:12] <nn> exs: My 8gb of space is very limited
[08:12] <racarr> exs: Ubuntu already has trouble fitting everything on one CD
[08:12] <Ashton_K> exs: Ubuntu lets you do the LEAST amount of work among any distro (including windows) to find software, and install it.
[08:12] <racarr> exs: and a minority of people actually back things up
[08:12] <exs> nn:  You?.. I'm talking about the mass general population, they want everything available, already installed for that what is important. A backup program is important
[08:12] <Ashton_K> See above.
[08:12] <exs> racarr:  Rubbish, totaly rubbish
[08:12] <Ashton_K> Totally true, actually.
[08:12] <exs> racarr:  people actually don't like viruses
[08:12] <racarr> exs: Ubuntu is about giving you the tools to do what you want
[08:12] <CheyenneD> I have my server make autobackups of my linux pc's monthly onto DVD's
[08:12] <Ashton_K> That being said, you need to calm down, and listen to this.
[08:12] <Firefishe> I just need to say that, of all the linux distros for powerpc I've tried, ubuntu/kubuntu 6.06 (dapper drake) is by far the best!  Most things work beautifully.
[08:12] <Ashton_K> Ubuntu, provides, among any distro (including linux), the EASIEST way to install software.
[08:12] <nn> exs: I work as a repair tech for a very large store, of the thousands of machines i encounter a week, guess how many have backups?
[08:13] <exs> racarr:  ubuntu is trying to get in the mainstream, if you don't know that, you're dillusional
[08:13] <racarr> exs: Not including all 13000 packages on 12 CDs
[08:13] <Ashton_K> exs, every distro wants to be mainstream.
[08:13] <racarr> exs: If you want something that comes with EVERYTHING
[08:13] <Ashton_K> If you think Ubuntu is alone in this, you're dillusional.
[08:13] <nn> exs: less than 2 machines out the probably 1500 that end up coming through the shop, are actually backed up
[08:13] <exs> why do you think it's a fork of the debian project??.. it's *EASIER*
[08:13] <racarr> exs: I think mandriva? has a reputation for that
[08:13] <exs> racarr:  you're missing my point. ubuntu needs important software
[08:13] <idlemind> exs: so why do they use windows then? what does it come with? calculator and notepad?
[08:13] <nn> exs: It's there, if you look in the package manager and install it
[08:13] <Hansel> if you want "everything" get it on multiple dvd's...
[08:14] <Ashton_K> I don't think you understand exs.
[08:14] <exs> it needs important software already installed, and that being a backup utility
[08:14] <Ashton_K> It does.
[08:14] <nn> exs: It's easier then having to go track down and install software (as in the case of windows)
[08:14] <Hansel> the fact they give you cd's with shitloads of pkgs is a favor to you...
[08:14] <Ashton_K> It's called tar
[08:14] <Ashton_K> It's a nice, handy command.
[08:14] <Ashton_K> The tar, mount, and cp commands.
[08:14] <nn> Ashton_K: or look in the pkg manager (synaptic? :)
[08:14] <exs> Hansel:  The masses don't want everything, but they want a OS which has the important stuff. One being a backup utility incase the F things up
[08:14] <Ashton_K> LIsten to me.
[08:14] <nn> exs: And there's some there
[08:14] <Ashton_K> For about 3 lines.
[08:14] <nn> exs: Do you not look in the package manager?
[08:15] <Firefishe> amazing, I *asked*, and was sent three cd's of ubuntu for zilch,...pretty schnazzy! :)
[08:15] <Ashton_K> Applications -> Add/Remove programs.
[08:15] <Firefishe> from *overseas*  yet
[08:15] <Ashton_K> Free software, easy to install. Since NOT EVERYTHING CAN FIT ON A CD.
[08:15] <Ashton_K> Got it?
[08:15] <exs> nn:  this isn't a case of dicking about in the package manager.. people want, (THE MASS OF PEOPLE) who will be adopting ubunt uif it's capable is the important aplications.. one being a backup utility
[08:15] <Hansel> exs - you are delusional... most people dont think about a DR solution and if they REALLy want to backup important images or docs they burn them to cd or to a usb drive... I know of 1 person out of the hundreds of nerds that use computers that actually has a legitimate backup system that performs nightly.
[08:15] <Ashton_K> You know funny, I've yet to see a default backup application in windows, what THE MASSES use.....
[08:15] <racarr> I think we should leave this alone
[08:15] <nn> exs: It has them, available via the package manager. Personally, i'd not use a distribution that installs more crap that i tell it to
[08:16] <nn> Ashton_K: there's barely one there
[08:16] <exs> Ashton_K:  are you insane?.. norton ghost.
[08:16] <racarr> exs: If you want help with backing your stuff up you can PM me and I will walk you through any number of methods
[08:16] <Ashton_K> Norton isn't installed by default.
[08:16] <Ashton_K> Silly.
[08:16] <Firefishe> exs: umm...perhaps you could write one?  sourceforge could always use a new project ;).
[08:16] <Ashton_K> Norton is a separate company, you have to buy their stuff before it works.
[08:16] <Ashton_K> :P
[08:16] <racarr> Channel: This has become a flamewar, not support, let's leave it alone
[08:16] <ezrider> does this website work for anybody else? http://cammodel.ath.cx/
[08:16] <exs> Ashton_K:  Uhm, I think you'll find that the majority of windows users, will actually have the ghost backup cd when they buy the computer
[08:16] <Firefishe> indeed racarr *bow*
[08:17] <Ashton_K> Ah, but it doesn't come on the Windows discs.
[08:17] <enfo> I just found out about the Add/Remove function in Ubuntu.  It has tons of good apps.
[08:17] <racarr> Enfo: Nice timing
[08:17] <exs> Firefishe:  I'm not a coder, merely a ubuntu user, a user who is trying to get people to see ubuntus current flaws.
[08:17] <Firefishe> I'm compiling wine source into a .deb file for ubuntu/kubuntu 6.06 (dapper) for POWER PC and I get this compile error:  http://pastebin.com/844083
[08:17] <Hansel> ...
[08:17] <enfo> racarr: :P
[08:17] <nn> exs: Ya, it's wonderful isnt it? saves you much time
[08:17] <enfo> Do KDE apps work in Gnome?
[08:17] <exs> enfo:  yes
[08:17] <racarr> Exs: If you have something you would like to do better, submit a specification at http://launchpad.net
[08:17] <Hansel> enfo - they can if you install the kdelibs
[08:17] <Ashton_K> If you have the right repositories
[08:17] <exs> nn:  It will save other people time
[08:17] <racarr> exs: Something you would like ubuntu to do better
[08:17] <Hansel> kde-base probably..
[08:17] <nn> enfo: Yes, if you have the kde libraries
[08:18] <racarr> exs: If you have a support request, ask here
[08:18] <ezrider> does this website work for anybody else? http://cammodel.ath.cx/
[08:18] <racarr> exs: If you want to yell at people about why ubuntu doesn't do exactly what you want with no effort, please stop
[08:18] <exs> racarr:  I am like the majority of normal users.. not a tech savvy one.. I am telling you how it should be
[08:18] <Hansel> ezrider - womens intimate health coming soon.
[08:18] <enfo> Hansel: what if I install a kde app through apt-get or synaptics? Will that work ok?
[08:18] <Hansel> enfo - it *should grab dependencies, yes.
[08:18] <exs> racarr:  That's just it.. it isn't *me* specificaly, it isn't *me* at all. I am speaking for the masses right now
[08:18] <racarr> enfo: yes, it fetches the dependencies for you
[08:18] <Ashton_K> No, you aren't.
[08:18] <Ashton_K> That being said.
[08:19] <Ashton_K> Add/remove apps.
[08:19] <enfo> Hansel, racarr: thanks a ton
[08:19] <Ashton_K> Quick, easy.
[08:19] <Ashton_K> Painless.
[08:19] <racarr> exs: If you are, I encouarge you to submit a spec at http://launchpad.net
[08:19] <exs> Ashton_K:  Yes, I am.. I came from the windows crowd.
[08:19] <racarr> exs: That's where people discuss features for the next version of ubuntu
[08:19] <Ashton_K> I'm sorry.
[08:19] <racarr> exs: The majority of people here help with tech support, not develop ubuntu
[08:19] <Ashton_K> add/remove programs.
[08:19] <Ashton_K> Faster than using the CD.
[08:19] <Ashton_K> That being said, it is not necessary to have a backup program.
[08:19] <Ashton_K> Most people, do not use them.
[08:20] <Ashton_K> But, if you wish to have one.
[08:20] <Ashton_K> Use add/remove programs.
[08:20] <Hansel> Ashton_K - we've had this discussion... </backup talk>
[08:20] <Ashton_K> k
[08:20] <racarr> So about that uh
[08:20] <racarr> Tux
[08:20] <nn> exs: Stramgely enough, my wife agrees that if you want a piece of software, the effort taken to click "Add/Remove Applications", find it, and install it is very well worth the savings in disk space from NOT having everything and the kitchen sink installed by default, particularly on older machines
[08:20] <nn> strangely
[08:20] <racarr> Super tux, tux racer
[08:20] <Ashton_K> Right, anyone know about this error? I'm getting it while trying to use madwifi
[08:20] <Ashton_K> wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device
[08:20] <racarr> basically everything with tux is great
[08:20] <nn> Ashton_K: what card?
[08:21] <Ashton_K> Netgear WG311T
[08:21] <Ashton_K> (Atheros chipset)
[08:21] <makuseru> is there a way to convert .flv to .mpg in ubuntu?
[08:21] <exs> nn:  I don't care what your wife thinks, I imagine that someone of your situation would try to find a geeky-wife to have. I don't care what she thinks should be.. The point is, is that the ubuntu system needs to have a backup utility because it's fairly buggy and the majority of users who WE ARE AIMING FOR really need a backup utility already built in.
[08:21] <nn> hm, i know my rt2500 (linksys something) uses ra0 as the device name, rather than ethX, which saddens me)
[08:21] <racarr> exs: The people here do not make those decisions
[08:22] <nn> exs: actually, my wife is a complete opposite of me, which is why i'm using her as an example on it
[08:22] <racarr> exs: In general
[08:22] <Ashton_K> nn, does your distro have a interface config file?
[08:22] <nn> racarr: Oh well, i just gained a /ignore entry
[08:22] <Ashton_K>  /etc/network/interfaces, I believe is where it's located in ubuntu.
[08:22] <nn> Ashton_K: i run ubuntu, so /etc/network/interfaces :)
[08:22] <exs> nn:  If she's the complete opposite that would mean she's not appropriate to question because she doesn't use computers at all
[08:22] <Ashton_K> Yeah, rename it in that. Might work.
[08:22] <Ashton_K> Or it might bork everything.
[08:22] <nn> Ashton_K: uh
[08:23] <Hansel> nn - :)  exs - not all people want a backup utility installed by default.  I am one of them.  If you try to please all you please none.  Thankyou, drive thru.
[08:23] <nn> Ashton_K: that's what ifup/ifdown use
[08:23] <Ashton_K> You know, I wish I knew.
[08:23] <nn> Hansel: i've only got a 8gb / partition
[08:23] <Ashton_K> I think it changes the way the interface works depending on whether it's on or off.
[08:23] <exs> Hansel:  With ubuntu is a necessity
[08:23] <Ashton_K> Turns the radio off maybe?
[08:23] <Ashton_K> Who knows.
[08:23] <exs> it's a *
[08:24] <Ashton_K> Ubuntu loves personal customization. If you want a backup utility, install one.
[08:24] <Ashton_K> It'll take you 10 seconds.
[08:24] <makuseru> is there a way to convert .flv to .mpg in ubuntu?
[08:24] <Hansel> exs - no it's not.  You are extrapolating your opinions onto the entire user base and annoying a number of people in the meantime.  Opinions are like assholes... I'm sure you know the rest.
[08:24] <nn> Ashton_K: uh if{up,down} just use settings in /etc/network/interfaces to configure the interface(s) requested
[08:24] <Ashton_K> That being said, unless if you have a problem with the install process, kindly leave us alone.
[08:24] <racarr> Ashton_K: I spent 2 hours trying to get my wireless to work when I got my laptop because  the laptop has a 'radio frequency  kill switch'
[08:24] <nn> racarr: Ouch.
[08:24] <racarr> Ashton_K: That just reminded me of the ancedote
[08:24] <racarr> it was...er...fn+f2?
[08:24] <racarr> but  I tried 4 kernel configs before I finally saw the kill switch in dmesg
[08:25] <racarr> Has anyone messed around with synergy? It's mouse/keyboard sharing over network
[08:25] <Ashton_K> Yeah, don't you have it when you spend hours, and it turns out the only problem was user error?
[08:25] <racarr> It can handle clipboard, and move the mouse from one screen to the other when you hit an edge
[08:25] <racarr> pretty impressive
[08:25] <Ashton_K> (My wifi card isn't built in, so no kill switch)
[08:25] <nn> racarr: sounds fun, got a url? I'll play with it, since i'm hacking on a VPN thin client image ;)
[08:25] <idlemind> racarr: no not yet; i've looked into it
[08:26] <Ashton_K> I'm kinda annoyed though, hypothetically it should be supported out of the box.
[08:26] <exs> Hansel:  I've tried to tell you this multiple times. The Majority Of WIndows Users Have Backups.. You Know How??.. Their OEM Computer Comes With Norton Ghost With A Pre-defined Disc Image To Save Their Computer When It Is Broken.
[08:26] <racarr> nn: It's in the repos and at: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
[08:26] <TheoMurpse> I'm setting up Edgy and trying to get wireless working. I have a supported card, and it has worked in the past (for example, within the LiveCD environment, and occasionally when I go places it works).  When I go to Networking settings and enable wireless, give it the SSID for the router here ("linksys") which uses
[08:26] <TheoMurpse> no password (so I leave the key entry blank), it tries to connect and fails. Ifconfig shows no IP address. However, I've just now checked my router settings and confirmed it has DHCP enabled. It works with XP. What can I do to get it working in Ubuntu? The card is supported, and as I've said, it has worked on a couple of occasions in the past. Usually if I couldn't get wireless I'd just boot up XP, but I'm giving up XP now so I must get
[08:26] <TheoMurpse> wireless working. Help? Please note that I'll have to boot up Ubuntu and out of XP every time I get a suggestion, so when I get some help, I'll have to reboot this computer. Thanks!
[08:26] <Ashton_K> exs, if you don't have a support question, don't fill the channel with it.
[08:26] <Ashton_K> !off-topic
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <Ashton_K> Damn.
[08:26] <Ashton_K> How'd that go again?
[08:26] <Ashton_K> !off topic
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <Ashton_K> Oh nevermind.
[08:27] <Madpilot> Ashton_K, !offtopic, with no space
[08:27] <Ashton_K> !offtopic
[08:27] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:27] <Ashton_K> Ole!
[08:27] <nn> TheoMurpse: try opening a terminal and running 'sudo dhclient ethX' where ethX is the wireless card
[08:27] <Hansel> exs - I have been using computers for over 15 years.  I have never setup backup software.  I manually perform backups and prefer this method.  I know hundreds of people personally who can barely double click their mouse let alone configure backup software.  At no point in your incoherent argument did you sway me to your point.  We are all dumber having listened to you.  There will be no points awarded and may God have mercy on your soul.
[08:27] <makuseru> is there a way to convert .flv to .mpg in ubuntu?
[08:27] <Ashton_K> Exs, Hansel, you can go there.
[08:27] <Ashton_K> Uhh,Murpse, what does iwconfig show you?
[08:27] <Hansel> exs - to the other channel... I would love to continue to logically destroy your arguments
[08:28] <nn> TheoMurpse: sometimes i've noticed linksys broadband router DHCP servers are a bit tempermental
[08:28] <racarr> makuseru: I am sure there are lots of ways, just a second
[08:28] <racarr> makuseru: Yes, mencoder works if you know how to use that
[08:28] <nn> Hansel++
[08:28] <Ashton_K> Anyone have any idea what that error I'm getting is?
[08:28] <No1Viking> I have problems getting my PC, with Kubuntu, connected to my Wireless LAN. I know that it works without problems in Gnome. When trying to set WEP key and Hex it seems it does not save the data and I can't connect. Anywhere else I can put that data so it's permanent, and working, in the system?
[08:28] <racarr> makuseru: mencoder input.flv -ofps 15 -vf scale=300:-2 -oac lavc -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4v2:acodec=mp3:abitrate=64 -o output.avi
[08:29] <nn> No1Viking: i put mine in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:29] <exs> Hansel:  what dribble you speak. You must be insane not to listen to what I am saying.  MOST OEM COMPUTERS, THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE A GOHST BACKUP TO SAVE THEIR SYSTEM WHEN IT IS BROKEN!
[08:29] <TheoMurpse> nn I will try that. Ashton_K, I will write it down and be back in a few minutes (rebooting now)
[08:29] <Ashton_K> Viking, try iwconfig
[08:29] <racarr> makuseru: You might have to install 'mplayer'
[08:29] <Ashton_K> Figure which interface it uses.
[08:29] <Hansel> exs - TO THE OTHER CHANNEL - BOLD DOESNT MAKE YOUR POINT ANY MORE LOGICAL
[08:29] <No1Viking> nn, ok... will check that one
[08:29] <racarr> But caps lock is like cruise controlf or cool
[08:29] <Ashton_K> then go iwconfig (config name) enc (password)
[08:29] <Hansel> cruise control for douche bag...
[08:29] <Ashton_K> Don't include the parenthesis.
[08:29] <exs> Hansel:  Oh, I thought I'd have to do that because you're not listening to a word I'm saying.
[08:29] <Hansel> I'm not listening at all... I'm reading... TO THE OTHER CHANNEL
[08:30] <rob> hmm
[08:30] <Ashton_K> iwconfig --help
[08:30] <Ashton_K> If you want to look up the syntax for it.
[08:30] <exs> Hansel:  Then why reply to something that you haven't read?
[08:30] <reverseblade> Ashton_K, man iwconfig
[08:30] <Ashton_K> Or that.
[08:30] <Hansel> exs - #ubuntu-offtopic or if you prefer I can get you /kb'd from here  :)
[08:30] <Ashton_K> Yet, anyone have any idea what this: wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device
[08:30] <Ashton_K> Means?
[08:30] <Madpilot> exs, Hansel - to PM or #ubuntu-offtopic, or anywhere else - but NOT here anymore. Thank you both.
[08:30] <rob> ditto.
[08:31] <Ashton_K> Dritto?
[08:31] <racarr> Madpilot: True ubunteran hero
[08:31] <nn> No1Viking: that should be a good starting point, also fwiw, you can use s:key-string-here instead of the hex of the key, if needed (tho i dont personally)
[08:32] <Ashton_K> ASCII > Hex.
[08:32] <racarr> nn: Is the raid of flash drives significantly faster than a hard drive? in practice?
[08:32] <Ashton_K> Because I can't remember the hex string to save my life
[08:32] <Ashton_K> racarr, well, it'd be faster than Thumb drives.
[08:33] <nn> racarr: No, it's just faster than thumbdrives
[08:33] <Ashton_K> About 4x the read/write speed of the slowest.
[08:33] <nn> racarr: my machine is incapable of supporting a harddrive
[08:33] <Ashton_K> Assuming the comp can handle 4 simultaneous read/writes.
[08:33] <VMT2007> heh, wow
[08:33] <nn> but it runs nicely off 12V so it works great in the car
[08:33] <racarr> nn: But capable of the raid of flash drives? interesting
[08:34] <nn> racarr: power supply limitation
[08:34] <VMT2007> I got HL2 to run perfectly under Wine
[08:34] <racarr> nn: Ah
[08:34] <reverseblade> hl2 sucks
[08:34] <Ashton_K> I liked it.
[08:34] <Ashton_K> The music, was epic.
[08:34] <Ashton_K> To say the least.
[08:34] <reverseblade> how many level did you play ?
[08:34] <Ashton_K> But, that being said, wonder if online would work.
[08:35] <Ashton_K> It'd probably ban you, tbh.
[08:35] <Ashton_K> Their protection thingie.
[08:35] <reverseblade> hehe
[08:36] <plugs> i want to make a makeshift usb hub and i want to know, will it be fully functional attaching two female ends to one male with solder?
[08:36] <Hansel> plugs - sounds like an unnatural usb orgy... that might be illegal in most states.
[08:36] <reverseblade> pc gaming is dead anyway, long live PS 3
[08:37] <nn> racarr: basically, it's a Neoware Eon 3000 thin client. 800mhz via nemiah fanless, runs off 12V, 2x DDR333 slots, does 1600x1280 @ 80hz, 256mb DiskOnModule (which is currently unused, but soon will be my boot/config partition).
[08:37] <als> just wondering
[08:37] <racarr> nn: Nice
[08:38] <als> i saw in precal how people create equations that model real world examples. I was wondering if there is a book that teaches you how to do the same thing
[08:38] <TheoMurpse> nn: sudo dhclient ra0 gives me DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> part 07 interval 3, 7, 11, 11, 18, 11, then No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases on persistent database - sleeping.
[08:38] <nn> TheoMurpse: is your card ra0?
[08:38] <Hansel> als - programatically?
[08:38] <TheoMurpse> Ashton_K: iwconfig gives me "ra0 RT2500 Wireless ESSID:"linksys" Mode:Managed .... and so on. What do you want to know?
[08:38] <als> hansel: no, just modeling real world examples with equations
[08:38] <TheoMurpse> nn: Yes, it is ra0
[08:39] <als> like how do they come up with equations like that
[08:39] <nn> Gotcha, you have the same card i do
[08:39] <Hansel> als - #ubuntu-offtopic?  or #math?
[08:39] <als> :( sorry
[08:39] <als> it related to what i planned on doing :(
[08:39] <plugs> nobody can help me with usb question?
[08:39] <Hansel> als - I'm sure there are plenty of books that explain how functions can be used to represent real life examples (ie; physics)
[08:40] <exs> "linux-headers-ARCH (This depends on which kernel you use. Examples for ARCH are 386 and generic. The command "uname -r" gets the version of your linux kernel)" What does ARCH mean?
[08:40] <Hansel> plugs - I've never rolled my own usb hub... I just forked over $10 and picked one up at frys electronics ::shrug::
[08:40] <Hansel> architecture
[08:40] <idlemind> exs: the base architecture of your system
[08:40] <racarr> als: Calculus helps
[08:41] <VMT2007> Ashton_K: Yeah, there was a problem with VAC banning Wine users a while back
[08:41] <VMT2007> But that was resolved.
[08:41] <exs> idlemind: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome#head-2192bcf1695b57ee27d94de8c95a5c0b6cd2e852 im on that part I pasted, but I don't know what I shold change
[08:41] <als> racarr: thx, my plan was to create a program that would help my brother with parabolic curves that have to do with stocks
[08:41] <exs> uname -r comes out with 2.6.17-10-generic
[08:41] <TheoMurpse> nn:  So, any idea what I can do?
[08:42] <Hansel> uname -ar?
[08:42] <exs> Hansel:  Linux engle-laptop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:42] <Hansel> i686  :)
[08:43] <tonquin> hi all, i have edgy installed on my gateway laptop and everything is great but erratically when i'm typing it inserts text from the clip board. or does unpredictable cursor movements.  any ideas whats going on with it?
[08:43] <exs> Hansel:  I've installed subversion, autoconf , automake1.9 etc etc from this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome#head-2192bcf1695b57ee27d94de8c95a5c0b6cd2e852 and now im onto the bit where it says " linux-headers-ARCH (This depends on which kernel you use. Examples for ARCH are 386 and generic. The command "uname -r" gets the version of your linux kernel)" but I don't know what to change just below that (where it displays the code to
[08:43] <exs>  put into terminal)
[08:43] <Hansel> tonquin - you are probably accidentally bumping the mouse pad?
[08:44] <tonquin> hansel: its not that because its fine in windows.  and often its only the keyboard i'm touching.
[08:44] <exs> would it be "sudo apt-get install subversion autoconf automake1.9 libtool git-arch linux-headers-i686" ?
[08:44] <Hansel> sudo apt-get install subversion autoconf automake1.9 libtool git-arch linux-headers-i686
[08:44] <Hansel> :)
[08:44] <exs> ok thanks
[08:44] <Hansel> you can check a repository to see if its i686 or just 686
[08:45] <Hansel> you could even technically go with the 386 or 586 ones since they are all x86 though there is a slight performance improvement from using the ACTUAL architecture and not general.
[08:45] <exs> "libtool is already the newest version.git-arch is already the newest version.E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-i686"
[08:45] <VoX> is there any downside to setting the reserved block count on a non-root mounted ext3 drive?
[08:45] <nn> now i know why i don't do tech support..
[08:45] <VoX> hm that didnt make sense
[08:45] <exs> Hansel:  I think i need the linux headers, that's what it says
[08:45] <VoX> is there any downside to setting the reserved block count on a non-root mounted ext3 drive to zero?
[08:45] <VoX> better
[08:45] <screechingcat> anyone want to guide me though a setup for my netgear wifi card ?
[08:46] <Hansel> VoX - you dont want to make ANY changes like that to a mounted drive
[08:46] <TheoMurpse> Question: Does anyone here have a MacBook? I'm curious if, when you installed Ubuntu on it, whether it --literally-- worked out of the box. I'm tired of Ubuntu not working with my laptop's wireless ever, and was hoping that this problem would be solved if I just bought a MacBook, since it seems everyone is buying one nowadays.
[08:46] <Hansel> VoX - umount and have at it.
[08:47] <nn> tonquin: My old dell's touchpad had an issue where sometimes it was so sensitive that my hand even hovering above it within about .5mm was enough to trigger it
[08:47] <VoX> Hansel: yeah i understand that part.. but is there any other reason as to why there are reserved blocks apart from root-user/system use?
[08:47] <nn> tonquin: you can adjust the sensitive or minimum tap duration
[08:47] <tonquin> nn:  and did that produce symptons like this?  random text pasting?
[08:47] <screechingcat> nn, thats nothing, my laptop responds to my cerebral wave pattern
[08:47] <tonquin> :P
[08:47] <Hansel> exs - check a repository and see what the linux-headers pkg is called literally since thats what it wants.
[08:48] <nn> tonquin: text highlighting actually, because paste is middle button
[08:48] <nn> tonquin: is yours one of the ones with the fake buttons? (marked off regions at the bottom of the pad?)
[08:48] <exs> han how do i go about doing that?
[08:48] <nn> screechingcat: sexy
[08:49] <exs> Hansel:   how do i go about doing that?
[08:49] <tonquin> nn: i never get highlighting just text pasting and cursor movements.
[08:49] <cpk1> I just moved my desktops location, switching monitors and now X doesnt seem to want to start, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didnt seem to fix the problem either, any ideas? =\
[08:49] <tonquin> nn: sometimes the cursor will fly up several lines or more in one jump.
[08:50] <nix_ferret> after you switch monitors don't you have to change your xorg.conf file unless it was "generic"?
[08:51] <nix_ferret> There is an attached monitor spec in that file.
[08:51] <checkmate> how do i install a .bin file?
[08:51] <nn> tonquin: hmm maybe it's haunted..
[08:51] <Dr_Fate_> whoa
[08:51] <nix_ferret> just a suggestion
[08:51] <Hansel> exs - apt-cache search linux-headers
[08:51] <checkmate> if i double click it, gedit tries to open it, and right clicking it doesn't offer a "run" option or anything
[08:51] <tonquin> nn:  the ghost of christmas past? :D
[08:52] <tonquin> nn: it sure seems like that though... it can happen as often as 2 or 3 times in a minute.
[08:52] <nn> Dr_Fate_: yea, it's really bad when laptops get haunted.. they start doing weird stuff like powering on in your bookbag and running your battery down, or downloading porn to your desktop right before your gf/fiance/wife decides to check her email using your computer then sees a "Hot Lesbian Porn" folder on your desktop and gets pissed.
[08:52] <Hansel> exs - I'm thinking it will probably want the kernel version in before the architecture... ie; linux-header-2.1.3-i686
[08:52] <exs> Hansel:  pm'd output
[08:53] <Hansel> no PMs
[08:53] <exs> engle@engle-laptop:~$  apt-cache search linux-headers
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-386 - Linux kernel headers on 386
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-686 - Obsoleted by: linux-headers-generic
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-generic - Generic Linux kernel headers
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-k7 - Obsoleted by: linux-headers-generic
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-server - Linux kernel headers on Server Equipment.
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-server-bigiron - Linux kernel headers on BigIron Server Equipment.
[08:53] <exs> xen-source-2.6.16 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.17 with Ubuntu patches
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-2.6.17-10 - Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.17
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386 - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on i386
[08:53] <nix_ferret> nn, that's the excuse I use too
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-server - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64
[08:53] <checkmate> how do i install a .bin file?
[08:53] <exs> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-server-bigiron - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on BigIron Server Equipment
[08:53] <exs> linux-source-2.6.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.17 with Ubuntu patches
[08:53] <exs> engle@engle-laptop:~$
[08:53] <exs> Hansel:  there you go
[08:53] <Hansel> the last one exs... linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386  <--- you want something similar to that I imagine.
[08:54] <exs> Hansel:  what do i do then?
[08:54] <nix_ferret> ur running it on a 386?
[08:54] <Hansel> apt-get linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic
[08:54] <racarr> nix_ferret: It's referring to the x86 architecture
[08:55] <nn> nix_ferret: that it's haunted?
[08:55] <racarr> nix_ferret: Including everything from a core 2 duo to a pentium II to an AMD Athlon
[08:55] <Hansel> nix_ferret - it is "allowable" to run 386 pkgs on a 686
[08:55] <nn> nix_ferret: oh, my wife has a bigger porn collection than i do
[08:55] <Hansel> nn - does she have a sister?
[08:55] <nn> yea, -386 packages simple mean that the lowest level of ia32 optimization was used, in order to be executable on all ia32 (386 to 686 class)
[08:56] <racarr> It's not a matter of optimization  it's just a matter of instructions
[08:56] <nix_ferret> hmmm, learned somethin new.
[08:56] <racarr> used
[08:56] <nix_ferret> Damn...
[08:56] <checkmate> how do i install a .bin file?
[08:56] <exs> Hansel:  "E: Invalid operation linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic"
[08:56] <racarr> i.e. pentium 3+ have instructions to operate on 4 floats at once
[08:56] <Hansel> ./thefile.bin
[08:56] <racarr> exs: apt-get install I'm guessing
[08:57] <nn> racarr: true, it happens in the optimization pass more so than the generation pass, i believe in gcc, however
[08:57] <nn> Hansel: no, only a brother
[08:57] <racarr> nn: Mm, I was under the impression it generates the syntax tree, does the optimizations, generates the assembly
[08:57] <Hansel> checkmate - technically if a .bin file exists on your system it's already "installed"...        ./ will execute a binary file... though you should probably throw it to /usr/bin
[08:58] <racarr> then applies the peephole optimizations for specific processors
[08:58] <exs> racarr:  Hansel E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[08:58] <exs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[08:58] <racarr> Maybe peephole is before it generates the assembly
[08:58] <racarr> either way I was nitpicking not important
[08:58] <checkmate> well i got an installer, and it's a .bin file
[08:58] <racarr> exs: sudo apt-get install
[08:58] <racarr> checkmate: ./filename.bin
[08:58] <checkmate> ok thanks racarr
[08:58] <racarr> checkmate:  if that doesn't work try chmod +x filename.bin first
[08:59] <exs> racarr:  Reading package lists... Done
[08:59] <exs> Building dependency tree
[08:59] <exs> Reading state information... Done
[08:59] <exs> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic is already the newest version.
[08:59] <exs> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:59] <racarr> exs: It's already installed then
[08:59] <racarr> exs: I don't know why you were installing it so I do not know if I can help anymore
[08:59] <Ashton_K> If it's a new install, the kernel headers are on the disc.
[09:00] <Hansel> he is trying to install some openChrome 2D driver or something and it requires the kernel libraries... since they already exist he can just remove that portion of the apt-get statement.
[09:00] <exs> racarr:  ok, ill do the net step then? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[09:00] <Ashton_K> apt-get install build-essential?
[09:00] <Hansel> apt-get install what-i-need-plz-kthx
[09:01] <Ashton_K> Oh, that reminds me.
[09:03] <Acidictadpole`> hi
[09:03] <Hansel> why hello and hi there
[09:03] <idlemind> holy lots of ppl joining at once
[09:03] <benjk> can somebody please point me at some documentation how I upgrade from 2.6.15 to 2.6.18 ?
[09:03] <fnf> benjk: Do you mean building your custom kernel ?
[09:04] <Acidictadpole`> im trying to get multiple monitors and xgl working on my machine, to no avail so far though. I've done some searching on the internet but i am unsure how to work it
[09:04] <benjk> no
[09:04] <exs> how do i find out out my graphics chipset?
[09:04] <fnf> benjk: So ?
[09:04] <fnf> exs: lspci | grep VGA
[09:04] <benjk> I built a ubuntu system some months ago from the Ubuntu 6.06 server CD
[09:04] <benjk> and that box has 2.6.18
[09:04] <Acidictadpole`> would anyone be able to help me get multi monitor support and xgl working on my machine?
[09:05] <benjk> I want to build another one, but I have only got 2.6.15 on this
[09:05] <benjk> I did apt-get dist-upgrade but its still only 2.6.15
[09:06] <exs> fnf:  01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01).. How would i find out if it's the K8M890?
[09:06] <zak> "Error: could not load substitute font: -*-times-medium-r-normal--48-*-*-*-*-*-*-*." <-- how do i fix these sort of errors?
[09:06] <Ashton_K> I'd strongly suggest google.
[09:06] <fnf> benjk: The kernel version depends on your current distribution, Dapper only supports the stock 2.6.15 so far. You need to build one from source.
[09:06] <idlemind> zak: is that in wine?
[09:06] <brady> is the desktop cd the same as the live cd?
[09:07] <benjk> well, I upgraded the other box before solely with apt-cache and apt-get commands
[09:07] <Ashton_K> Desktop includes desktop applications that an average user might use.
[09:07] <Ashton_K> As compared to server applications.
[09:07] <Ashton_K> Both are live, I believe.
[09:07] <benjk> I just cant find the record anymore
[09:07] <enyc> I wonder who can help me do any work on bug 70098 -- https://launchpad.net/bugs/70098
[09:07] <fnf> exs: Sorry, I'm not sure what K8M890 is, lspci only lists your graphics card model, you need to consult the vendor's doc.
[09:07] <brady> that is what i meant. i.e., it is not clear which one is the so-called ``live'' cd.
[09:07] <enyc> -- elso wdere is the right channel to discuss with bug-fixing-helpers ;-)
[09:07] <exs> fnf:  ok thanks
[09:07] <Ashton_K> brady, both are "live"
[09:08] <Ashton_K> Meaning you can boot x from them.
[09:08] <Ashton_K> But you probably want the desktop, unless if you want server side applications
[09:08] <Ashton_K> :P
[09:08] <Acidictadpole`> would anyone be able to help me get multi monitor support and xgl working on my machine?
[09:08] <elekis> hi all
[09:08] <carlangas> hola
[09:08] <elekis> I have a little prob with pkg-config
[09:08] <benjk> there is something wrong with this system out of the box already
[09:08] <zak> idlemind: linux port of self [a smalltalk-derived programming language/environment] ... not much chance anyone will work out how to change the font with it, so im thinking renaming/linking files or changing X's font database [i don't know anything about how X looks up fonts :)] ?
[09:09] <benjk> because when I try to install kernel-headers, those are only 2.6.11
[09:09] <benjk> I need the headers to match the installed kernel
[09:09] <benjk> but apt-get upgrade didn't heltp there either
[09:09] <Ashton_K> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:09] <Ashton_K> Those are back ticks, not apostrophes.
[09:10] <fnf> benjk: What is preventing you from downloading the newest kernel (since you'll compile it anyway) ?, this is 2.6.19 already.
[09:10] <Ashton_K> Aww, it's at 19?
[09:10] <Ashton_K> Damn.
[09:10] <Ashton_K> Anything important between 17 and 19?
[09:10] <idlemind> zak: hmm your guess is as good as mine on that one then; is self a IDE?
[09:10] <fnf> Ashton_K: It's about 20 in a few days ;)
[09:10] <Ashton_K> Sounds like it idle.
[09:10] <benjk> fnf: I need to replicate the box I have
[09:10] <Ashton_K> Anything I'd be missing out on if I'm still at 17?
[09:11] <benjk> it has to be the same, to be sure that a test I am going to do is carried out in the very same kernel environment
[09:11] <QwertyM> anyone tried the new azureus ?
[09:11] <Ashton_K> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:11] <Acidictadpole`> does anyone have any experience with making multi-monitor support work in ubuntu?
[09:11] <Ashton_K> Try that benjk
[09:11] <fnf> Ashton_K: The change log has them all, AFAIK it's mostly related to ipv6, but I'm sure there're monor bug fixes and speed enhancements.
[09:12] <zak> idlemind: sorta... if you've used a smalltalk system, it's much more like that than say Eclipse or MonoDevelop
[09:12] <Ashton_K> I might upgrade when 20 rolls out.
[09:12] <Ashton_K> Will Ubuntu have it, or will I have to compile it?
[09:12] <CheyenneD> Can Ubuntu write to a NFTS formated hdd
[09:12] <fnf> benjk: Wait a minute, I'll check if Dapper has provide it.
[09:12] <Ashton_K> Cheyenne, it's possible, but still a bit dangerous.
[09:12] <benjk> Ashton_K, thx, I did
[09:12] <benjk> still need to find a way to go to .18 though
[09:12] <Ashton_K> See if the ntfs something or rather package is involved.
[09:12] <idlemind> cheyenneD: ntfs-3g.org
[09:13] <SurgeX> Cheyenne install ntfs-3g
[09:13] <Ashton_K> Download the source from somewhere, and compile.
[09:13] <nn> Anyone know where i can find something like an Ericsson r520m?
[09:13] <Ashton_K> Keep the old kernel source, just in case.
[09:13] <idlemind> zak: hmm i guess it's time to do some good ole' fashioned code spelunking
[09:13] <nn> ya know, GSM, metal case, etc
[09:13] <Ashton_K> Hope it's commented.
[09:13] <Ashton_K> Good luck.
[09:13] <SurgeX> apt-get install ntfs-3g
[09:14] <Ashton_K> How stable is that?
[09:14] <Ashton_K> He forgot his towel.
[09:15] <zak> idlemind: trouble is, i'm not too familiar with self [it's the first time i've seen it working this far even, outside of screenshots :)]
[09:15] <Acidictadpole`> anyone help me with multi monitors? :(
[09:15] <nn> racarr, Ashton_K if you get bored later, look up the Neoware Eon 3000's. They can be snagged as cheaply as 60$ sometimes
[09:15] <idlemind> zak: ahh; hmm; does it have forums or a web-site?
[09:15] <Ashton_K> Adictadapole, find rarcarr.
[09:15] <nn> If you find one and need help getting ubuntu or thumbdrive root setup, feel free to /msg me anytime
[09:15] <Ashton_K> He works on Beryl, I think they have multi-monitor support.
[09:15] <racarr> nn: Ok, I've been looking for a thin client...thanks
[09:16] <Ashton_K> What is that thing nn?
[09:16] <racarr> Uh, I know nothing about multi monitor, don't look at me