 https://bedrocklinux.org/0.7/basic-usage.html
 This is amazing and works.
 It is -really- disconcerting to see a Linux desktop fire up from a tiny cardboard box I bought from Target
 @ahoneybun, I wonder if that will work on a Chromebook
 I have apt, pacman and dnf.
 @ahoneybun, Bedrock is still active? Lovely
 Yep it's really cool.
 Maybe I'll install it, need to spice it up
 @KMyers dangit you got me thinking about widescreen now
 My second monitor is dead and I'm wondering if its worth it to go dual again, if I'll gain focus improvement by sticking to one, or if I should go widescreen
 @RazPi, Not Sorry
 I can't get tired of pizza
 Little Caesars look out
 You said pizza not cardboard and ketchup.
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 Have you tried it lately
 6usd!
 https://youtu.be/5AxnJ-2icT8
 I like meat ln pizza about as much as people like pineapple on pizza
 I kinda want pizza now
 All pizza within the price range of Little Cesar's isn't very good. But Little Cesar's seems to make the best pizza for that price range
 I like pineapple on pizza
 So do I, I mentioned pineapple because people seem to hate it
 That. Is. The. Best.
 Period.


[00:11] <ondrej> hi, I got this error in PPA:
[00:11] <ondrej> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27666579/upload_1066749_log.txt
[00:12] <ondrej> does anyone know where the problem is? It says "Rejection during accept." and then that it couldn't find the source package in jaunty --- even though it successfully built on the buildbot.
[00:17] <kiko> ondrej, an upload failure often means that the build is generating a broken upload
[00:17] <ondrej> kiko -- I see
[00:21] <wgrant> ondrej: Which is the build that gave that log?
[00:21] <ondrej> hi wgrant, do you want the number?
[00:22] <wgrant> ondrej: A link is better.
[00:23] <ondrej> wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ondrej-certik/+archive/ppa/+build/1066749
[00:26] <wgrant> ondrej: Had it finished a few seconds earlier, it would have probably worked. The error message means exactly what it says - the source was superseded at 00:01:10 by pytables 2.1.1-1ubuntu1ppa1, so when the build finished at 00:01:12 the source no longer existed.
[00:26] <wgrant> So, you can ignore it.
[00:26] <ondrej> ah
[00:26] <ondrej> so I just uploaded the new pytables
[00:26] <ondrej> and that made the old one stop working?
[00:27] <wgrant> Because the build was in progress when it happened, yes.
[00:27] <ondrej> I see, thanks
[00:27] <ondrej> btw, pytables are unusable in ubuntu
[00:27] <ondrej> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pytables/+bug/348983
[00:27] <wgrant> That bug is closed.
[00:27] <wgrant> oh.
[00:27] <wgrant> No, that's the Debian task that's closed.
[00:27] <ondrej> I don't think so.
[00:28] <ondrej> anyways, the packages in my PPA works fine
[00:28] <ondrej> what are the next steps?
[00:28] <ajmitch> upstream bug task, not debian one in that case
[00:28] <ondrej> ajmitch, upstream fixed that in December I think...
[00:29] <ajmitch> that's quite awhile ago
[00:29] <ondrej> all that is needed now is to upload the new version to debian/ubuntu
[00:29] <wgrant> You won't be able to get 2.1.1 into Jaunty.
[00:29] <wgrant> The minimal patch which fixes the issue needs to be isolated.
[00:30] <wgrant> That ticket seems to give the relevant patch.
[00:30] <ondrej> I see
[00:30] <ondrej> I guess the fix is easy
[00:30] <ondrej> but I'll just use my PPA version
[00:31] <wgrant> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates if you want to get the fix into Jaunty.
[00:32] <ondrej> right
[00:33] <ondrej> first I need to finish my NM process in Debian, then I can play with such things.. :)
[02:05] <lifeless> is there anyway to delete the noise in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/383784?
[02:10] <ryanakca> Is there anything to do with bug comments, which instead of pertaining to the bug, are support requests on a completely unrelated issue? (Ex: asking about recovering a password under a bug about a broken link in the Kubuntu Wiki theme)
[02:12] <ryanakca> Would that constitute the ``spam'' described in Nickserv's welcome message? I don't mind answering the guy, just that I'd rather not do it in a bug report and I'd rather not end up with support requests in bug comments....
[02:14] <spm> ryanakca: no, that's not spam. my 2c would be to ask them to take it elsewhere and then let you know to respond. ie they will get the support request, but pls to follow preferred location for same. ????
[02:15] <spm> ie don't provide the support in the bug report.
[02:39] <ryanakca> spm: Lovely, thanks
[02:39] <nhandler> spm: Any estimate about when the rest of the UBT teams will be renamed? No rush, I just would like to be able to provide the team with a status update
[02:40] <spm> nhandler: Ooo. ta for the reminder! I'll try and get those done this afternoon. Got caught up with severe weirdness last week.
[02:41] <nhandler> spm: No problem. Thanks again
[02:41] <nhandler> On a different note, is it possible to subscribe to bugmail for all packages maintained by a specific team (the team is a Debian team that is not "really" on LP)
[02:42] <spm> nhandler: hmmm. not sure. I know it can be done on a project basis - we get requests to "halp!!! stop emailing bombing me!!!" on a regular basis. But teams... dunno...
[02:43] <SamB> nhandler: you could have the "team"'s messages delivered to a mailing list
[02:43] <nhandler> SamB: I can't. The team is https://edge.launchpad.net/~pkg-perl-maintainers
[02:43] <SamB> nhandler: oh, well, if you were an admin you could ...
[02:43]  * spm o/
[02:43] <SamB> you could ask one of the admins to set something up
[02:44] <spm> oh this is an imported team. urg. this has caused pain in the past.
[02:45] <SamB> oh, do those have no admins ?
[02:45] <spm> perhaps not technically; they're unclaimed. so not setup. for lack of more accuracte phrasing.
[02:48] <SamB> so, they have no admins
[02:48] <SamB> and there is nobody to bug about them except you?
[02:49] <spm> ha! not just me, but yes :-)
[02:50] <wgrant> nhandler: Maintainers aren't special in Launchpad - you'd have to search for and subscribe to each package manually.
[02:55] <nhandler> wgrant: True. the only thing a team can do is easily allow multiple people to subscribe to a set of packages' bugmail. However, someone will still need to go through and manually subscribe to all of the packages manually
[04:45] <jml> how do I change the maintainer for a project?
[04:45] <jml> oh, there's a people subtab
[04:45] <jml> meh.
[06:03] <ethana2> the troll is going through all my old bugs and slaughtering the descriptions with nonsense
[06:03] <ethana2> This must stop.
[06:04] <lifeless> ethana2: who?
[06:05] <RAOF> ethana2: The troll?  That sounds really annoying.
[06:05] <lifeless> ethana2: can you link to a bug that was defaced?
[06:05] <lifeless> spm: ping
[06:05] <ethana2> RAOF:  it is TERRIBLY annoying
[06:05] <ethana2> lifeless: will do
[06:05] <ethana2> here's one..
[06:05]  * RAOF wonders whether this is related to the current wonderful ubuntu-devel-discuss monofest.
[06:05] <ethana2> my launchpad question..
[06:05] <ethana2> https://answers.launchpad.net/dynazine/+question/73280
[06:06] <lifeless> which one are you
[06:06] <ethana2> I fixed another one
[06:06] <ethana2> I'm the one with a bug reporting history like two years long
[06:06] <lifeless> help me out here
[06:06] <ethana2> turns out there's nothing against having the same display name because they don't need to be unique.
[06:06] <ethana2> ~ethana2
[06:06] <ethana2> the troll is ~ethan-anderson or something
[06:07] <ethana2> which is my name, actually
[06:07] <ethana2> but not my account
[06:07] <ethana2> He has been up to this all week and its driving me nuts
[06:08] <lifeless> ethana-anderson doesn't seem to have commented on any bugs
[06:09] <lifeless> do you have a bug link handy they have messed up?
[06:09] <lifeless> spm: ping!
[06:09] <ethana2> wait
[06:09] <ethana2> why on earth can he edit my bug descriptions?
[06:09] <ethana2> well I guess that makes sense..
[06:09] <ethana2> but why my launchpad question?
[06:09] <ethana2> please tell me you don't have 'security' based on display names
[06:10] <lifeless> no, display names aren't used for security at all
[06:10] <ethana2> ok good
[06:10] <ethana2> why is he able to alter my launchpad questions?
[06:11] <ethana2> He's pretending to ask these questions in a language..
[06:11] <ethana2> that I think is indigenous to the native population of Alaska
[06:11] <ethana2> or northern Canada
[06:11] <ethana2> if I get rid of my launchpad account to make him go away, he wins, right?
[06:12] <lifeless> chill out a minute
[06:12] <lifeless> just chasing up a sys admin
[06:12] <ethana2> lifeless: alright, will do
[06:13] <lifeless> ethana2: spm should be back soon and we'll see what we can do
[06:14] <lifeless> clearly ethan-anderson is being a pain.
[06:14] <lifeless> did you have a bug reference?
[06:14] <ethana2> lifeless: it's ozzymandias
[06:14] <ethana2> he made a dumb bug about magnets erasing hard drives
[06:16] <spiv> Interesting, google suggests that's bug 380738, but that bug appears to be private...
[06:17] <lifeless> holy cow
[06:17] <ethana2> they made it private
[06:17] <ethana2> whaaaaat, the dude sent me an email
[06:17] <ethana2> It turns out that you actually weren't the user that I was wanting to be
[06:17] <ethana2> trolling all along.  In fact, she doesn't even use launchpad at all.
[06:17] <spiv> (google has a cache of that page)
[06:17] <ethana2> I think he's lying
[06:17] <ethana2> he knows I'm a guy.
[06:18] <lifeless> ethana2: next time something like this happens, please ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad - thats guaranteed to get the LP CHR folk to look at it promptly. Asking in the bug itself is pointless as the sysadmins *don't read every bug*
[06:18] <lifeless> there are thousands of projects in lp.
[06:19] <ethana2> ah, k
[06:19] <lifeless> bringing it up here is good too
[06:19] <lifeless> however, for book keeping, I would like you to ask a question anyhow
[06:19] <ethana2> I think I'll just come right here next time
[06:19] <ethana2> ah, k
[06:19] <lifeless> that will let the sysadmins have a record
[06:20] <lifeless> include a link to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380738, and the qeustion you linked before
[06:20] <ethana2> k
[06:21] <lifeless> brb
[06:42] <wgrant> lifeless, ethana2: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/72394 was created about this a couple of weeks ago.
[06:43] <ethana2> wgrant: ah, I wasn't even aware of that launchpad question
[06:43] <wgrant> It seems to be trapped in the 'Needs Information' status, since I commented on it and Answers is old and broken.
[06:44] <lifeless> spm: account ethana-anderson needs to be terminated with prejuidice
[06:44] <wgrant> lifeless: That's not doable through the web UI yet?
[06:44] <ethana2> ethana-anderson?
[06:44]  * ethana2 checks account
[06:45] <ethana2> the account was ~ethan-anderson
[06:45] <spm> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ethan-anderson I assume
[06:45] <lifeless> wgrant: perhaps, but the nice thing about letting the folk responsible for foo do foo is that they log it etc correctly.
[06:45] <ethana2> yes
[06:45] <wgrant> lifeless: That's true.
[06:45] <lifeless> wgrant: so I don't do other peoples foo unless its a crisis
[06:45] <lifeless> wgrant: regardless of capability.
[06:45] <wgrant> lifeless: Right.
[06:46] <spm> ethana2: both accounts have the same email address. I suspect you've been compromised in some way. ?
[06:46] <ethana2> spm: I really, really hope not.
[06:46] <jamesh> spm: two accounts can't have the same email address
[06:46] <wgrant> spm: Is that possible?
[06:46] <ethana2> that's possible, two accounts with one email?
[06:46] <jamesh> are you sure they are the same?
[06:46] <spm> oh hang on - confusing the crap outa myself...
[06:46] <wgrant> That's what I thought.
[06:46] <spm> -ETOOMANYETHANS!!! :-)
[06:46] <ethana2> My email can't be compromised-- my passcode is secure as heck and I never access my email from Windows machines
[06:47] <ethana2> when I must, I change the password the moment I get onto a secure system like Ubuntu or OS X
[06:47] <jamesh> ethana2: so it isn't "password" then?
[06:47] <ethana2> jamesh: oh goodness gracious no
[06:47] <lifeless> jamesh: its '"password"'
[06:47] <ethana2> it's pseudorandom, alphanumeric chars, with some capitalization
[06:47] <jamesh> that's a pretty long password
[06:48] <ethana2> ..like more than 10
[06:48] <ethana2> jamesh: heh
[06:48] <ethana2> I have an algorithm I use to generate my passwords..
[06:48] <ethana2> I'm kind of proud of it
[06:48] <spm> apg is nice
[06:49] <spm> but there are other ways of being compromised than password.
[06:49] <spm> in any event, account is suspended.
[06:49] <wgrant> Thanks spm.
[06:49] <spm> ethana2: can you pls make sure I've zapped the troll's and not yours? :-)
[06:49] <ethana2> spm: mine is ~ethana1
[06:49] <ethana2> ~ethana2, sorry
[06:49] <ethana2> the troll is ~ethan-anderson
[06:50] <spm> cool. that should be fine then.
[06:50] <cody-somerville> ethana2: Whats your algorithm?
[06:51]  * ethana2 pm's cody-somerville
[06:52]  * cody-somerville can now determine ethana2's password at will. :P
[06:52] <ethana2> only if you know the following things:
[06:52] <ethana2> my leetscript exception
[06:52] <ethana2> my capitalization freqency and offset
[06:52] <ethana2> and my original phrases
[06:53] <ethana2> I'd trust the xubuntu maintainer not to go hacking my random accounts..
[06:53] <wgrant> But do you trust Freenode?
[06:53] <wgrant> Or the Internet in general?
[06:53] <ethana2> wgrant: I generally trust freenode with pm's...
[06:54] <ethana2> ..but I trust _no one_ with my passwords
[06:54] <ethana2> I go too far to secure them to give them away
[06:55] <wgrant> spm: Can you close the question?
[06:56] <spm> wgrant: I can mark it resolved? yes. but anyone can reopen aiui.
[06:58] <wgrant> spm: I speak of the question requesting the suspension of the fake account (https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/72394). Why do we care if somebody can reopen that?
[06:59] <spm> oh. right. wrong question. yes. one sec.
[07:00] <spm> wgrant: done. fwiw, we now can (much losa cheering is heard) suspend accounts in the UI now.
[07:01] <wgrant> spm: Thanks again.
[07:01] <ethana2> fwiw?
[07:02] <wgrant> For What It's Worth
[07:02] <ethana2> ah
[07:02] <spm> http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ <== useful. I have it on my personal bookmark toolbar :-)
[07:03] <spm> lifeless in particular, keeps hitting me with new and amazing acronyms. ;-)
[07:03] <lifeless> spm: what records are needed - just a question?
[07:04] <wgrant> bsdgames' “wtf” can also be useful, although its database isn't extensive :(
[07:04] <spm> in terms of suspension? we usually put a note to why in their user info field doohickey. there's a "reason for deactivation" field.
[07:05] <spm> I usually add links to the question requestion suspension and/or examples as to the why in said field.
[07:06] <spm> wgrant: you cmd line junkie you. ;-)
[07:06] <wgrant> spm: That's me.
[07:11] <ethana2> well, thank you a ton for all your help
[07:11] <ethana2> I guess now I hope he leaves me alone, and go to bed
[07:12] <ethana2> pretty tired..   rock on, guys
[07:12] <spm> wgrant: 'wtf' thought - if you can, could update that list with a copy of http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtv/gtf/ ==> /usr/share/games/bsdgames/acronyms ??
[07:12] <spm> shall I log a ubuntu bug? :-)
[07:13] <wgrant> spm: I recall a bug like that being rejected before.
[07:14] <cody-somerville> I don't mind doing it
[07:14] <spm> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bsdgames/+bug/334574 yarp. get it updated in debian instead.
[07:17] <cody-somerville> spm, Can you file a bug on that and subscribe me?
[07:26] <spm> cody-somerville: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bsdgames/+bug/385072 and thanks!
[07:54] <spm> nhandler: that should be the lot done. given the number of renames, I'd appreciate if you could double check me that I got them all correct.
[09:31] <Knut-HB> Hello, I need some help.
[09:32] <Knut-HB> Last wednesday I uploaded a po-file for translation for my team-project (Communtu) and I would like to know how long does it take to review the uploaded file.
[09:33] <henninge> Hi Knut-HB, I sent an email to the project because we have a question about licensing.
[09:34] <henninge> Knut-HB: I sent it to Torsten.
[09:34] <Knut-HB> Ah yes, we talked about that yesterday. So there will be a delay in reviewing the file until the licensing-question is solved?
[09:34] <Knut-HB> henninge: ok
[09:35] <henninge> Knut-HB: I don't know if that was related but now that the licensing question is raised, that would definietly put it on hold.
[09:35] <Knut-HB> hm ah ok
[09:36] <henninge> Knut-HB: but there is another problem with the import, too.
[09:36] <henninge> Knut-HB: it is supposed to be a template but it is not called *.pot
[09:36] <Knut-HB> henninge: which one?
[09:36] <henninge> Knut-HB: I only see this:
[09:36] <henninge> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/communtu/+imports
[09:37] <Knut-HB> let me see it
[09:37] <henninge> Knut-HB: ah, and it uses German as a source language
[09:37] <jtv> Knut-HB: that's a blocker.
[09:37] <henninge> Knut-HB: that definitly is a stopper because our policy requires the source language to be English.
[09:38] <Knut-HB> yes. we want to use launchpad to translate it from German to English. our goal is to have it translated completely until the LinuxTag
[09:38] <Knut-HB> ah ok =/
[09:38] <jtv> Knut-HB: we have some good reasons for requiring this, though I understand it's pretty annoying to you...
[09:38] <henninge> Knut-HB: Oh, not much time ...
[09:40] <Knut-HB> jtv: so it could take much more time until we can translate or worse: we won't be able to use launchpad to translate?
[09:40] <Knut-HB> henninge: yes =/
[09:41] <jtv> Knut-HB: unfortunately, yes.  We (and GNU gettext) assume English as the source language.
[09:41] <jtv> (AFAIK the assumption first snuck into gettext with the support for plural forms)
[09:43] <jtv> From English to German is fine, but we don't support going the other way.
[09:43] <Knut-HB> jtv: ah ok... so we have to find some other way to translate it as a team? currently I do the work with poedit but it's just me who can work on the file
[09:44] <jtv> Knut-HB: afraid so.  :-(
[09:52] <Knut-HB> ah ok :( so i can delete the file from the importing queue?
[10:44] <Knut-HB> another question concerning the po-file: if we would change it to a pot-file, would it be enough to rename the file from po to pot or is the structure of the pot-file totally different from the po-file?
[10:49] <henninge_> Knut-HB: no, not differnet at all.
[10:50] <Knut-HB> henninge: thanks :)
[10:51] <henninge> Knut-HB: a template is what xgettext gives you and it looks like a po file but with all empty msgstr - just like your file.
[10:51] <henninge> Knut-HB: it is custom, though, to name it after the translation domain and not just "template.pot" or "message.pot".
[10:52] <henninge> Knut-HB: so we don't have to guess the translation domain when approving it.
[10:52] <Knut-HB> henninge: what do you mean with that?
[10:54] <henninge> Knut-HB: the translation domain is the name of the template.
[10:54] <henninge> Knut-HB: It is what your translations are looked-up by at run-time.
[10:55] <alexharrington> Heya. Any problems with bazaar hosting? I can connect via ssh OK but bzr isn't able to pull/push anything?
[10:57] <wgrant> alexharrington: Working fine for me.
[10:57] <wgrant> What error are you getting, if any?
[10:58] <alexharrington> wgrant: alex@pca410:~$ bzr branch -r80 lp:~alexharrington/xibo/pyclient pyclient-80
[10:58] <alexharrington> Read from remote host bazaar.launchpad.net: Connection timed out
[10:58] <alexharrington> if i do ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it connects fine and tells me no shells are available as I'd expect
[10:58] <lifeless> alexharrington: thats an XMLRPC timeout
[10:58] <wgrant> alexharrington: bzr lp-login
[10:58] <lifeless> wgrant: not related
[10:59] <lifeless> alexharrington: there is a bug open on this. Shortly, python's xml rpc library doesn't honour http proxy settings
[10:59] <alexharrington> lifeless: OK - it was working fine 10 minutes ago!
[11:00] <wgrant> lifeless: Isn't XML-RPC done to an appserver?
[11:00] <lifeless> wgrant: yes
[11:00] <wgrant> Like xml-rpc.edge.launchpad.net?
[11:00] <lifeless> oh good point
[11:00] <wgrant> Which bazaar.launchpad.net isn't?
[11:00] <lifeless> I really have to learn that after I EOD cause I'm tired, I gotta Stop.
[11:00] <wgrant> Haha.
[11:00] <lifeless> alexharrington: please ignore everything I said  ;)
[11:00] <alexharrington> lifeless: OK - thanks anyhow
[11:00] <wgrant> alexharrington: So, 'bzr lp-login'
[11:01] <lifeless> alexharrington: I would try without the -r
[11:01] <alexharrington> alex@pca410:~$ bzr lp-login
[11:01] <alexharrington> alexharrington       ] https <      0KB     0KB/s |
[11:01] <alexharrington> goes through fine
[11:01] <lifeless> wgrant: note that it could still be http :)
[11:01] <alexharrington> I'm trying without the -r (although I do actually want an old revision)
[11:01] <wgrant> lifeless: Why would it be?
[11:02] <alexharrington> seems like it's still hanging up
[11:02] <lifeless> wgrant: because if ssh is working, and hes not logged in, then it will be using http
[11:03] <wgrant> lifeless: Which was why I asked for bzr lp-login.
[11:03] <wgrant> But it certainly seems like it should be using bzr+ssh, as there's a username set...
[11:03] <alexharrington> the bzr lp-login goes through fine (see above)
[11:03] <lifeless> wgrant: :) leaving to your capable fingers
[11:04] <wgrant> lifeless: OK.
[11:04] <alexharrington> wgrant: Same as before: alex@pca410:~$ bzr branch lp:~alexharrington/xibo/pyclient pyclient-80
[11:04] <alexharrington> Read from remote host bazaar.launchpad.net: Connection timed out
[11:04] <wgrant> alexharrington: So, you can SSH and auth to bazaar.launchpad.net fine, from that same host?
[11:05] <alexharrington> wgrant: alex@pca410:~$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <alexharrington> No shells on this server.
[11:05] <alexharrington> Connection to bazaar.launchpad.net closed.
[11:05] <alexharrington> Yep
[11:05] <wgrant> alexharrington: What if you 'bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:07] <alexharrington> wgrant: It's thinking. Looks like it's going to timeout again. Perhaps I should try a good old reboot? :D
[11:08] <spiv> wgrant: I wonder if there's a firewall that kills connections that are idle for "too long"?
[11:08] <wgrant> spiv: Possible, I guess.
[11:08] <spiv> wgrant: some bzr+ssh commands can take a little while (e.g. 3 minutes) to get a response for sufficiently large branches.
[11:08] <wgrant> spiv: Yeah.
[11:08] <wgrant> Anyway, I need to eat dinner.
[11:08] <alexharrington> alex@pca410:~$ bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>pyclient80
[11:08] <alexharrington> Read from remote host bazaar.launchpad.net: Connection timed out
[11:08] <spiv> wgrant: a .bzr.log with -Dhpss info could diagnose that.
[11:09] <alexharrington> wgrant: OK - Thanks anyhow
[11:09] <spiv> alexharrington: ok, please repeat, but add "-Dhpss" to the command line
[11:09] <wgrant> But spiv's suggestion (adding -Dhpss) is good.
[11:09] <spiv> alexharrington: then pastebin the contents of ~/.bzr.log (ideally trimmed to just the latest bzr branch invocation, but the whole thing is ok too)
[11:09] <alexharrington> spiv: okey
[11:10] <spiv> alexharrington: I *suspect* it's a taking a while for the server to respond to the Repository.get_stream command
[11:12] <alexharrington> spiv: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/191545/
[11:12] <alexharrington> spiv: I let it run until it gave me the first timeout message then ctrl-c'ed it
[11:12] <spiv> alexharrington: (although it's not a particularly large branch)
[11:12] <alexharrington> spiv: It's only a few MB
[11:12] <spiv> alexharrington: huh, that's odd
[11:13] <spiv> alexharrington: so it's not my first guess
[11:13] <spiv> alexharrington: that's just the initial "open" command, which is pretty much instantaneous
[11:14] <spiv> alexharrington: which suggests that actually it *is* failing to establish an SSH connection
[11:14] <alexharrington> spiv: It's normally fine. I use this most weeks to make a few commits
[11:14] <alexharrington> spiv: we already proved I can ssh directly to bazaar.launchpad.net
[11:14] <spiv> Right, which makes it odd.
[11:15] <spiv> And the log clearly shows that bzr is using OpenSSH (i.e. the 'ssh' executable) to establish the connection.
[11:16] <alexharrington> spiv: I just tried branching lp:xibo/1.0 which is our stable and it went through fine
[11:16] <alexharrington> spiv: As did the branch I wanted originally
[11:16] <alexharrington> spiv: How odd
[11:16] <spiv> Ok, then I have no idea what's going on!
[11:17] <spiv> I suspect some sort of network weirdness on your end.
[11:17] <alexharrington> spiv: Dunno. I'll be more concerned if it happens again
[11:17] <alexharrington> :D
[11:17] <spiv> e.g. bad MTU issues or something.
[11:17] <alexharrington> spiv: I doubt it. I expect we'd have had others here complaining if there was a general issue. There's 600 odd PCs hanging off our net connections
[11:18] <alexharrington> spiv: Wierdness with this particular PC I could believe though :D
[11:18] <spiv> The next step in debugging this probably involves inspecting TCP dumps, ideally on both sides of your firewall/router.
[11:19] <alexharrington> spiv: If it does it again then I'll get in to that. If it was just a one-off glitch then I'm not too fussed. I don't have the time to sink in to it right now :D
[11:19] <alexharrington> spiv: Thanks anyhow - and for all your help
[11:19] <spiv> or perhaps hacking bzrlib/transport/ssh.py to add "-vvv" to the ssh command line.
[11:20] <spiv> alexharrington: cool.  I hope it keeps working :)
[11:20] <alexharrington> spiv: me too :D
[11:20]  * wgrant returns.
[11:20] <wgrant> How odd!
[11:21] <alexharrington> wgrant: Yep. Very
[11:29] <henninge> pcabido: Here is your solution: ;-)
[11:29] <henninge> pcabido: remove gtg from the Gnome super project!
[11:30] <henninge> pcabido: that enforces stricter translation permissions than what you have for your own project.
[11:31] <henninge> pcabido: Then you will not be bound to their restrictions and can translate into whatever language you like.
[12:17] <nhandler> spm: The renamed LP teams all look correct. Thanks a lot
[12:18] <maxb> There appears to be something broken with the kernel in jaunty-proposed. Launchpad says linux 2.6.28-13.44 was published into jaunty-proposed 7 days ago, but the actual binaries published to the Packages file are still ABI 12.
[12:21] <maxb> Oh, ignore me, it's not a launchpad problem, it's just me not fully appreciating how binary NEW works.
[12:22] <wgrant> maxb: That it wasn't obvious could be a Launchpad bug, though.
[12:23] <wgrant> Did you miss or misunderstand the 'Successfully Built (NEW)' status?
[12:24] <lifeless> wgrant: 'NEW' does not imply the existence of 'PUBLISHED'
[12:24] <wgrant> lifeless: Huh?
[12:24] <lifeless> wgrant: Am I being tired again?
[12:25] <wgrant> lifeless: Possibly - I'm not sure how existence of one string implying the existence of another is relevant here...
[12:25] <wgrant> But I could also be tired.
[12:25] <lifeless> more states
[12:26] <lifeless> I'm saying, perhaps the UI should say 'Successfully Built (NEW), will be published in X minutes'
[12:26] <wgrant> Ahh, I see.
[12:26] <wgrant> You can't do that.
[12:26] <wgrant> But replacing 'NEW' with something more obvious would work.
[12:27] <lifeless> you can't?
[12:27] <wgrant> At the moment it just shows the queue status (which would be NEW, ACCEPTED or REJECTED), which is unobvious unless you know how the queues work, which is unlikely unless you're a developer.
[12:27] <wgrant> No - NEW requires manual pushing.
[12:50] <cyberixae> How do I link to a bug in an external bug tracker from a Launchpad bug?
[12:53] <maxb> wgrant: The problem was that I was looking at the SPPH page, which doesn't display queue states at all
[12:55] <maxb> Had I clicked through to the version page I would then have seen the NEW, but I didn't realize I needed to
[12:58] <wgrant> maxb: Well, that's not surprising - it is the SPPH, not the BPPH.
[12:59] <wgrant> But, SPPHs have no browser views.
[12:59] <wgrant> Were you looking at the DSPR, or the DSSPR?
[12:59] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory
[12:59] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[13:00] <wgrant> That could perhaps show the build status like Archive:+index does, but that's always awfully slow to render...
[13:00] <maxb> Yeah, user error on my part, never mind :-)
[13:04] <cyberixae> The thing that I don't get is.
[13:04] <cyberixae> Xmonad has a package in Ubuntu.
[13:04] <cyberixae> and a bug tracker at Google Code
[13:05] <cyberixae> and some of the bugs files for the Ubuntu package should be linked to the upstream bug tracker at Google Code
[13:05] <cyberixae> but I don't understand how that is to be done
[13:05] <wgrant> cyberixae: Hit 'Also affects project...' on the bug, then give it the project (if it hasn't worked it out already), then give it a link to the bug.
[13:06] <wgrant> It won't sync the status yet - that's coming soon.
[13:20] <cyberixae> wgrant: What project?
[13:20] <wgrant> cyberixae: xmonad, presumably.
[13:21] <cyberixae> But there is no project xmonad in Launchpad
[13:21] <wgrant> You can create one.
[13:22] <cyberixae> But I'm in no way affiliated with xmonad project
[13:22] <wgrant> That's fine.
[13:22] <wgrant> We do it all the time when triaging Ubuntu bugs.
[14:06] <cyberixae> wgrant: I got the project registered, but I could not choose the bug tracker for that peojct as it is not in the list of available bug tackers
[14:07] <cyberixae> wgrant: Where do I register a bug tracker?
[14:12] <wgrant> cyberixae: I've got to go to bed, but there's a conveniently placed CHR person just over there.
[14:12] <wgrant> barry: ^^
[14:12] <barry> wgrant: thanks
[14:12] <barry> cyberixae: i can help you
[14:13] <barry> cyberixae: which project and which bug tracker?
[14:14] <cyberixae> barry: xmonad
[14:15] <cyberixae> http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/list
[14:15] <cyberixae> https://launchpad.net/xmonad
[14:15] <barry> cyberixae: k thx.  hang on a bit...
[14:17] <barry> cyberixae: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker
[14:27] <cyberixae> thanks
[14:28] <barry> cyberixae: np.  let me know if you have any trouble
[14:28] <jblount> barry: Good morning! Forgive me if this is a oft-repeated question, but what's LP's strategy regarding dependent bugs?
[14:28] <barry> jblount: hi!  i'm not sure what you mean
[14:29] <beuno_> jblount, not in the roadmap for now
[14:29] <jblount> barry: I have a bug named "make sandwiches" and another bug "buy bread", I need to do "buy bread" before "make sandwiches", etc
[14:29] <jblount> beuno: Thanks!
[14:29] <barry> jblount: ah.  gotcha.  what beuno said :)
[14:29] <jblount> barry: :)
[14:39] <kirkland> doesn't look like i can delete a branch owned by vcs-imports
[14:39] <kirkland> is that true?
[14:40] <beuno> kirkland, it is
[14:40] <beuno> but you can file a question and it will be deleted by a nice admin
[14:40] <kirkland> beuno: okay, so i ask a question to get that deleted?
[14:40] <kirkland> beuno: cool
[14:40] <beuno> :)
[14:40] <beuno> you know the drill
[14:41] <kirkland> beuno: cheers
[17:25] <Saviq> hi guys, I'm a contributor for Elisa/Moovida (http://launchpad.net/elisa)
[17:26] <Saviq> we're in the process of cleaning up our i18n to use automatic imports
[17:26] <Saviq> but we have some conflicting templates, could you please remove all templates from https://translations.launchpad.net/elisa/1.0/+templates and all related things from the import queue?
[17:27] <Saviq> actually - all pending imports can be removed
[17:27] <beuno> Saviq, sure
[17:27] <beuno> could you file a question in: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad ?
[17:27] <beuno> that we we can verify your identity and an admin can get to it
[17:28] <Saviq> sure, will do
[17:29] <Saviq> done
[17:29] <Saviq> any idea on a timeframe?
[17:29]  * beuno pokes danilos, jtv1 and henninge for an answer
[17:30] <danilos> Saviq: as a project owner, you can mark entries as 'Deleted' in the import queue yourself
[17:31] <Saviq> I'm a contributor, not the owner, but if you'd have to do the same work, I'll ask upstream
[17:31] <danilos> Saviq: well, it totally depends on what once wants to do; I guess it's best if upstream files a question about what they want to do, and we can discuss it there
[17:34] <Saviq> danilos: we want to have a clean slate, we have it clean in the code but translations in launchpad are a bit messy right now, I'll ask someone from elisa-developers to file a question, will that be ok?
[17:35] <Saviq> or maybe just a comment in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/73756 will suffice?
[17:36] <beuno> Saviq, just a comment should be fine
[17:54] <Saviq> beuno, danilos: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/73756 here's a comment
[17:56] <danilos> Saviq: thanks, we'll look into it one of these days
[20:38] <jblount> Who can I thank for this message? Everytime I see it, it is useful. http://etc.joshuablount.com/bug-assignment.png
[20:39] <matsubara> jblount, BjornT
[20:40] <jblount> BjornT: Thanks!
[20:40] <jblount> (also, matsubara :)
[22:21] <Z3ro3X> james_w, Do you maintain the kismet package for ubuntu 9.04?
[22:22] <james_w> nope
[22:22] <james_w> did I upload it?
[22:22] <Z3ro3X> I think that's it.
[22:23] <Z3ro3X> james_w, I submitted a bug report.  There's not sound in the kismet client.  I wasn't sure if you where the right person to tell.
[22:24] <james_w> yeah, I just rebuilt it
[22:24] <james_w> that's very little involvement with the package
[22:24] <james_w> are you able to test on Debian?
[22:25] <Z3ro3X> james_w, No.  I just have this one system with ubuntu 9.04.  I used to be a OpenSUSE user before recently switching.
[22:26] <Z3ro3X> Sound worked in kismet when I was on opensuse.  Not sure why it's broke on ubuntu.
[22:26] <Z3ro3X> james_w, I would like a new deb for the newer version for kismet, but I don't know crap about making deb packages.
[22:27] <Z3ro3X> If I really had to use the newer version I could compile the source and run it that way, but I don't want to install crap through my system if it can conflict with the package system.
[22:48] <rickspencer3> hi ever helpful launchpad channel
[22:48] <rickspencer3> LarstiQ: you were right yesterday, I did not initialize threads correctly in my app
[22:55] <rickspencer3> so, is there a way to update bugs in a batch?
[22:55] <beuno> rickspencer3, no batches in LP
[22:55] <rickspencer3> using python-launchpadlib?
[22:56] <beuno> you need to iterate
[22:56] <rickspencer3> I can do that
[22:56] <rickspencer3> beuno: is there a batch mode on the roadmap?
[22:57] <beuno> rickspencer3, not for 3.0 AFAIK
[22:57] <rickspencer3> k
[22:57] <beuno> it would be useful for Launchpad as well  :)
[22:58] <rickspencer3> beuno: I created a pygtk logon Dialog for Launchpad
[22:58] <rickspencer3> it needs to be cleaned up graphically, but useful
[22:58] <rickspencer3> think there would be any interest in making it part of the library?
[22:58] <beuno> rickspencer3, absolutely
[22:58] <beuno> it would rock
[22:59] <thumper> rickspencer3: what are you wanting to change
[22:59] <thumper> rickspencer3: fix committed -> fix released
[22:59] <thumper> or something else?
[22:59] <rickspencer3> thumper: lots of stuff
[22:59] <rickspencer3> it;s for power triaging - so add a tag, add a comment, and change the status
[22:59] <thumper> api sounds like the best bet
[23:00] <rickspencer3> right
[23:00] <rickspencer3> is there an api call that takes a list of bugs and a list of changes, and applies all the changes to all the bugs?
[23:00]  * rickspencer3 always looking for the easy way
[23:00] <thumper> rickspencer3: the api is the easy way
[23:00] <rickspencer3> hehe
[23:01] <rickspencer3> within the api, I must iterate over a list, once for each change?
[23:04] <rickspencer3> beuno: is a message in the API the same as a comment in the web UI?
[23:06] <beuno> rickspencer3, absolutely no idea
[23:06] <beuno> but you can test it out with staging  :)
[23:08] <rickspencer3> beuno: yeah, that's next step
[23:09] <beuno> rickspencer3, this isn't the best timezone to ask
[23:09] <beuno> all the smart people have lives or need to sleep
[23:09] <rickspencer3> heh
[23:09] <rickspencer3> what does that say about me?
[23:09] <beuno> both of us  :)
[23:09] <jml> beuno: geez. thanks.
[23:10] <rickspencer3> actually, I find this channel to be among the most helpful
[23:10] <beuno> jml, you live in the future
[23:10]  * mneptok blinks
[23:10] <beuno> jml, nothing applies to you
[23:10]  * rickspencer3 watches beuno backpedal
[23:10] <rickspencer3> beuno: I've gotten good help here on *weekends*
[23:12] <mneptok> hmmm ... i wonder if i'm smart enough to remember IRC command syntax
[23:12]  * mneptok whistles innocently
[23:13] <beuno> hrh
[23:14] <mneptok> just "mneptok" will do. the "His Royal Highness" thing makes me uncomfortable.
[23:23]  * spm waves hi to His Royal Highness
[23:27] <mwhudson> mneptok: who are you again?
[23:39] <mneptok> mwhudson: /whois mneptok
[23:39] <mwhudson> doh
[23:39] <mwhudson> one failed trolling attempt
[23:40] <mneptok> :)
[23:40] <mneptok> if it had succeeded, you'd have a good case for removing me from the -ops team :)
[23:52] <rickspencer3> okay all you geniuses of python-launchpadlib ...
[23:52] <rickspencer3> if I do:
[23:53] <rickspencer3> bug_task.bug.tags.append("needs-bug-squad")
[23:53] <rickspencer3> do I need to do something to make it actually update the server?
[23:53] <rickspencer3> (currently does not seem to be)
[23:54] <rickspencer3> bdmurray: ^^^ perhaps you know? seems like it is up your ally
[23:54] <rockstar> rickspencer3, I think you need to call save.
[23:54] <matsubara> rickspencer3, bug.lp_save()
[23:54] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[23:54]  * rockstar meant lp_save
[23:54] <rickspencer3> that should be within my skills and abilities
[23:55] <matsubara> but I think the append won't work because of bug 254901
[23:56] <rickspencer3> that bites
[23:57] <bdmurray> rickspencer3: pitti has a workaround in apport for that I think
[23:57] <rickspencer3> bdmurray: thanks!
[23:58] <rickspencer3> I'm surprised this is "priority=low"
[23:58] <rickspencer3> it seems like a key scenario for launchpadlib
[23:58] <bdmurray> rickspencer3: it's in apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py line 499ish
[23:59]  * rickspencer3 looking


[00:23] <basy> Hi all, how to slow down my mouse on Kubuntu? I setup in System settings -> Pointer acceleration to 0.1x and run "xset m 1/10 1/10" and still need slower config pls help :o)
[00:23] <pvandewyngaerde_> have they slowed down already ?
[00:26] <basy> yes using sys setting it slows down rapidly and "xset m 2" is faster then "xset m 1" and it looks that "xset m 1/10" is same speed as "xset m 1"
[00:28] <basy> is there any other setting for mouse speed somewhere in xorg.conf or something?
[00:32] <pvandewyngaerde_> i dont know
[00:53] <daniel_san> might be the wrong place to ask, but no response in the main ubunutu channel
[00:53] <daniel_san> anyone know if theres a way to setup a keyboard shortcut in gnome to turn on and off compiz like with kde?
[00:54] <cuznt> !compiz
[00:55] <da-bayman> quick question. Im stuck at grub2 with a wubi installation. How do i know which kernel im running?
[00:59] <Exilant> da-bayman: uname -a
[00:59] <da-bayman> i cant get to a command line. i only have grub and a live cd
[01:01] <da-bayman> my revised question is, how can i get my kernel info through grub, OR a live cd
[01:01] <yofel> da-bayman: grub2 has support for a few shell commands, maybe you could list the contents of /boot to see what kernels you have available
[01:01] <Torch> da-bayman: grub-shell. or boot live cd and look what's lying around in /boot
[01:04] <da-bayman> ok ill boot up my live cd and see what i can find... thanks guys, much appreciated
[01:05] <compilerwriter> anyone know how to edit the quick menu?
[01:05] <da-bayman> so it is possible to get my wubi kernel info froma  live cd?
[01:05] <yofel> !grub2 | da-bayman
[01:06] <yofel> that has a lot information
[01:13] <da-bayman> sudo fdisk -l
[01:13] <da-bayman> sudo mkdir /win
[01:13] <da-bayman> sudo mount /dev/sdxy /win
[01:13] <da-bayman> sudo mkdir /vdisk
[01:13] <da-bayman> sudo mount -o loop /win/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /vdisk
[01:13] <da-bayman> sorry, very sorry
[01:25] <ice> ciao a tutti
[01:25] <ice> qualcuno parla italiano?
[01:25] <ice> someone speak italian?
[01:26] <Exilant> guess that would be #kubuntu-it or so
[01:26] <Exilant> !it
[01:26] <da-bayman> when i type "sudo mount -o loop /win/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /vdisk" i get "mount: you must specify a filesystem type"??? help?
[01:27] <ice> thank you
[01:29] <ice> i wrote my issue in english..
[01:30] <ice> today i log in in my kubuntu lucid lynx 10.04 and i found that the Network Management is disabled
[01:30] <ice> I cannot connect with my ethernet modem/router
[01:31] <ice> recently i had installed Avant Window Manager
[01:31] <ice> but i don't think that the cause was that
[03:11] <Surfergirl> hi everybody
[03:12] <DaskreeCH> HI
[03:24] <frewo64> hi. am i allowed to set a link to (K)ubuntu-homepage on my homepage? perhaps under "discovering linux" or whatever. and what about a small logo? am i allowed to?
[03:28] <frewo64> i want my people to use it for internet-banking, live-cd or live-usb-stick. for the people who fear win and online-banking ;)
[03:30] <DaskreeCH> frewo64: Yes you can
[03:30] <frewo64> DaskreeCH: thx a lot! thats good news
[03:32] <frewo64> other question, is it possible to use wicd instead of knetworkmanager? in lucid, the deamon of wicd doesnt appear. it seems, wicd is not prepared for upstart?
[03:33] <frewo64> i use lucid kubuntu 64bit
[03:33] <DaskreeCH> Yes it is
[03:34] <frewo64> does it need a workaround? with karmic i had no problems.
[03:35] <frewo64> wicd works better for me, when there are more wlans near my place.
[03:36] <frewo64> or does it need a specific order to uninstall (k)networkmanager and install wicd?
[03:38] <DaskreeCH> most likely
[03:45] <frewo64> hmm, there are others in the forums with the same problem and no solution. wicd-daemon doesnt appear.
[03:49] <frewo64> at least, thx to (k)ubuntu, my HP ColorLaserJet CM1312 nfi MFP ONLY works with this distribution, with squeeze and sid no chance. but with kubuntu since karmic. thx for that! dont know whats wrong in debian, communication error with this lan-multi-device. kubuntu does its job! ;)
[03:51] <frewo64> also the scanner-plugin works. ;)
[04:10] <travis_> would anyone mind helping with Xubuntu? no one in #xubuntu would help, or #ubuntu
[06:11] <Luija1006> sorry
[06:11] <Luija1006> Guys I got no sound when I play runescape (java game). Whats happening?
[07:33] <TeslaTony> I'm running Kubuntu Netbook Remix, and the logout button applet seems to be only capable of logout, suspend, and lock, but not shutdown...is there an alternative, or something I'm missing?
[07:59] <nuwan> Hello
[07:59] <nuwan> i have a problem installing kubuntu-desktop from synaptic or tru apt-get in ubuntu 10.04... it gives the error saying unable to fetch paackage
[10:44] <naftilos76> hi everyone, when i try to write a new email in kmail everything starts ok but after half a minute or after a random number or seconds or minutes the editor stops responding to keyboard strokes. If i wait for a minute or so it starts responding. After some time it happens again and so on. Is this a known bug?
[10:46] <naftilos76> Anyone?
[11:27] <caldera> selam
[11:31] <Aurora> Hi
[11:31] <idzi> hello
[11:32] <idzi> is an ad block for opera??
[11:41] <troopperi> idzi: http://operawiki.info/BlockAdvertisements , http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/ some information
[12:02] <cojack> hello guys
[12:03] <cojack> there is any dbg package for dbus?
[12:15] <Torch> ...lazy bunch here ...
[12:15] <Torch> cojack: there are. you need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash to get them, though
[12:20] <glaucous> Anyone know of a good non-Gnome-based music player? Amarok is not working too well, failing with _some_ flac files and not able to play 96/24 files at all.
[12:22] <Torch> glaucous: afaik amarok does not decode music files on its own but uses the phonon backend for that. so you'd have that problem with any KDE app. maybe ask on #amarok?
[12:23] <glaucous> Torch, oh I see, so it might be a Phonon problem? Anyhow I'll try #amarok
[12:37] <tch_> Is this normal that Kubuntu 10.4 is very slow on a PC with 1.6 Ghz Celeron processor, 2 GB of DDR2 RAM and ATI Radeon X200 M (128 MB RAM)?
[12:38] <tch_> Ubuntu with GNOME runs fine on the same PC. And so does OpenSUSE with KDE.
[12:40] <Exilant> well, then it should run fine
[12:41] <Exilant> it runs fine on my slightly slower pc
[12:41] <tch_> How can I troubleshoot this?
[12:41] <tch_> I have desktop effects disabled and no plasma applets and it didn't help.
[12:42] <Exilant> hm, anything happening in .xsession-errors?
[12:43] <tch_> It's 800 lines long
[12:44] <Exilant> that sounds ok
[12:44] <Exilant> in some broken lucid alphas it often was hundrets of megabytes
[12:48] <tch_> System monitor shows that CPU is used 80-100% all the time.
[12:48] <tch_> and Xorg takes around 39%
[12:59] <Hedron> hi all
[13:00] <Hedron> I was wandering, is there a way to actually stop using sudo, kdesudo, gksudo for every single admin task in kubuntu?
[13:00] <Hedron> I tried setting rootpw in sudoers, but for some tasks it continues to ask for user password instead root
[13:05] <slow-motion> hi
[13:09]  * sheytan food time
[13:11] <tch_> Is there a way I can make KPackagekit display only the newest version of a package?
[13:56]  * sheytan is back.
[14:07] <omkar> Hey guys I am trying to install gdm on kubuntu
[14:08] <omkar> while configuring found this error  gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2
[14:08] <omkar> n then it stops
[14:08] <omkar> i tried apt-get install gnome-doc-utils but it doesn't installs the latest one mentioned
[14:11] <john_47> omkar? i think it's better if you use aptitude....
[14:12] <omkar> hmm
[14:12] <omkar> I am trying to resolve my friends prob on phone
[14:12] <fabio> update first
[14:12] <omkar> n for that i started the same stuff at my side
[14:12] <omkar> one of my friend is trying to install gnome on a red hat server
[14:13] <omkar> n he doesn't has any desktop environment at his side
[14:13] <omkar> he just has a plain konsole ie tty
[14:13] <omkar> so i downloaded gnome 2.28 from gnome's ftp site
[14:13] <omkar> n trying to install it on my kubuntu 10.04 OS
[14:14] <omkar> i can anyways use apt-get install gnome which will select whole bunch of depencies which it would have
[14:14] <Torch> omkar: i suggest you ask this on #ubuntu
[14:14] <omkar> i want to know if I can compile the gnome-2.28.2 n then install the rest of the things
[14:14] <omkar> hmmm
[14:14] <omkar> but the question is related to my kubuntu isn't it?
[14:14] <omkar> installing gnome on kubuntu
[14:15] <omkar> so i have asked this question here Torch ...
[14:16] <Torch> omkar: no. the question is "installing gnome"
[14:16] <omkar> okie cool will ask over there
[14:16] <omkar> :)
[14:18] <john_47> i having problem with networkmanager... help
[14:19] <john_47> my manager keep disabling itself... i don't know how to enable it
[14:25] <Torch> !pm |   john_47
[14:31] <Torch> john_47: i cannot help you , i don't use networkmanager. you need to be patient until someone answers you knows more about this than i do. please stop messaging me.
[14:32] <john_47> sorry Torch
[15:31] <kasper_> ))
[15:34] <kasper_> Есть кто?
[15:35] <kasper_> але...
[15:35] <Pici> !ru
[15:36] <jimmy51_> is digikam still the tool to get photos off of a canon powershot?
[15:39] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: yes
[15:39] <jimmy51_> Mamarok: thanks
[15:39] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: you are welcome :)
[16:01] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  When I connected my external, USB hard drive to my computer Kubuntu doesn't recognize it.  This is odd because it has recognized and mounted it before.
[16:01] <Ertain> When I look at logs it does see the USB device, but it is not mounted.
[16:02] <Ertain> Also, I have gone into System Settings and configured Removable Devices to mount it when it is attached, but it does nothing.
[16:14] <daniel_> Hello
[16:15] <daniel_> guess not xD
[16:57] <p_masho> kde is crashing on startup, the /var/log/kde.log shows..  QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory > QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /tmp/0197834324/.config/ibus/bus
[17:06] <troopperi> p_masho: http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1462745
[17:07] <lucitu> 4.5 next week reason why rc3 is not out yet?
[17:10] <p_masho> troopperi: been there, done that.. compositing is disabled..
[17:11] <szefuncio> whois FloodBotK2
[17:12] <Pici> Its a bot.
[17:13] <E_Sound> Hi, is it normal, that cpu load is 100% on youtube?
[17:14] <szefuncio> i'm trying to know, what is it this Konverstion program
[17:16] <szefuncio> jest tu ktos mowiacy po polsku?
[17:36]  * sheytan food time
[17:45] <compilerwriter> Where does one edit the paths in the apllication launcher?
[17:46] <compilerwriter> !application launcher
[17:46] <Torch> compilerwriter: right click it, select menu editor
[17:47] <compilerwriter> torch in my case the launcher is brought about by right clicking on the desktop.  Do I need to put it on a toolbar, edit it, and then remove it from the bar?
[17:48] <Torch> compilerwriter: you're using the plasma netbook shell?
[17:49] <compilerwriter> I'm using plasma and I mapped my right click when on the desktop to be the application launcher.
[17:49] <Torch> compilerwriter: juat run the menu editor from krunner then.
[17:50] <compilerwriter> krunner menu editor ok torch.
[17:50] <Torch> compilerwriter: you don't sound convinced ;-) do you understand what i mean?
[17:51] <e01> some idea how can i fix flash in browsers in kde
[17:51] <e01> when i switch to gnome, it working fine, but in kde it`s buggy, there is no video, only sound
[17:52] <compilerwriter> torch I am convinced, but now I see that the menu editor seems to have things in place, but when I right click on the desktop I get the wrong thing altogether from Application launcher.  Perhaps if I just restart plasma it will sort itself out.
[17:52] <Torch> e01: reportedly a problem flash has with qt 4.7.
[17:53] <e01> oh.. may be it becaus i am with kde4.5 from beta repository :(
[17:53] <compilerwriter> torch What I did was uninstall the version of OO that came with Lucid and reinstalled the current from Sun/Oracle since the one that came with lucid was constantly crashing on me.  Now my menus in Application launcher are all out of whack.
[17:54] <Torch> compilerwriter: try restarting plasma
[17:54] <compilerwriter> torch ctrl alt back then?
[17:55] <Torch> compilerwriter: from a shell, kquitapp plasma-desktop then wait a little then run plasma-desktop
[17:55] <Torch> compilerwriter: no. that would have killed X11 in former times. it doesn't anymore (per default at least)
[17:55] <Torch> compilerwriter: plasma is not X11
[17:55] <compilerwriter> sorry old habits die hard.
[17:57] <compilerwriter> so does plasma rest atop X11 I never quite understood the techy stuff behind plasma.  I am more of a try it and see what happens when comes to gui things.
[17:58] <Torch> compilerwriter: X11 is responsible for painting pixels on your screen. plasma just draws the background and the panels and widgets for KDE.
[17:58] <Torch> compilerwriter: it's just an ordinary KDE app
[17:59] <compilerwriter> I am beginning to get it.  But screw a plasma setting or so and you have a mess.
[18:00] <compilerwriter> thanks for the help torch menus sorted themselves when plasma reloaded.
[18:01] <compilerwriter> So were I to shut down plasma I would be left with an X11 terminal essentially.
[18:02] <Torch> compilerwriter: if you kill plasma you still have krunner (alt-f+2 still works) and all your apps. and kwin to manager all your windows.
[18:03]  * sheytan is back.
[18:08] <gazra> I just did a stupid thing, I had an encrypted home directory and configured autologin
[18:09] <gazra> So now I get an error message: kstartupconfig4 failed or does not exist
[18:09] <gazra> Where can I change the Autologin to require password?
[18:09] <gazra> Obviouly thought the console!
[18:11] <gazra> Is anybody here that can help me please'
[18:11] <gazra> ???
[18:18] <Torch> gazra: try /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[18:34] <mistrynitesh> gazra: someone facing similar issue posted on ubuntu forums. see if it is the same problem with you. this is the link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1167436
[18:36] <mistrynitesh> a work around is also posted in the thread... hope it works for you
[18:43] <rohan> is there any PPA for getting updated version of kaffiene in kubunu 10.04?
[18:43] <rohan> i want 1.0, as opposed to 1.0~pre3 which kubuntu has
[18:58] <kopp97> there is rekonq for kde3?
[19:06] <kopp97> Rekonq KDE3 is on?
[19:12] <Badegakk> Hi, this is a general linux question, but its considered as high avg work load?
[19:13] <Badegakk> but its = what is
[19:13] <Badegakk> <--- Do typos all the time ;)
[19:14] <James147> Badegakk: that really depends on what you are doing with your computer
[19:16] <troopperi> kopp97: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rekonq/files/0.5.0/0.5.0/rekonq-0.5.0.tar.bz2/download
[19:16] <Badegakk> James147, mainly used it as a desktop
[19:16] <Badegakk> James147, games, surfing, video encoding, music ++
[19:17] <kopp97> troopperi: sudo apt-get install rekonq
[19:17] <Badegakk> James147, the reason i ask is that i never figured out of this number is being calculated
[19:17] <troopperi> kopp97: wich version get installed at packagemanager
[19:17] <James147> Badegakk: :) its going to vary depending on what you are currently doing... gaming is going to take more then surfing the web (well for 3d games at least)
[19:17] <troopperi> by
[19:17] <JDK> bbl
[19:18] <James147> Badegakk: why are you conserned about it anyway?
[19:18] <Badegakk> James147, i am just tuning my fans on my computer and trying to how hard my computer work at times
[19:19] <James147> troopperi: aptitude tells me it knows about version 0.4
[19:19] <troopperi> ok
[19:20] <kinection> hello, i'm trying to install ubuntu, however, it seems like the boot cd doesn't allow me to choose any options. I select the language, and then, i select "install kubuntu" i hear the drive spin a little, but nothing happens
[19:20] <kinection> is there a way to get a debug console?
[19:20] <kinection> i have installed linux before, this is not my first time.
[19:21] <Badegakk> James147, i am Curious person, just like know whats going on, hehe
[19:21] <James147> Badegakk: it the average load shouldent be high underidle, but once you start gaming/encoding i would expect it to shoot up quite alot (i would think it whould average 100% during encoding)
[19:22] <Badegakk> James147, yeah
[19:23] <Badegakk> James147, Been away from linux way to loong, been on a long windows spell, i have forgoten a lot about linux, hehe
[19:26] <Badegakk> kinection, by experience i have found out its better to boot up the ubuntu from the cd and then install it
[19:26] <kinection> well, none of the boot options are working
[19:27] <James147> kinection: give it a couple miniutes, it can be slow at times to boot :S if it dosent load after about 5 mins it might be a cruppt cd
[19:27] <Badegakk> kinection, can you read the information on the cd? you sure its not corupt
[19:27] <kinection> i'm doing a md5sum check on it right now
[19:27] <kinection> on the iso
[19:28] <da-bayman> hi, im trying to recover files from wubi install using a live cd. I found a forum and entered the following commands:
[19:28] <da-bayman> sudo fdisk -l
[19:28] <da-bayman> sudo mkdir /win
[19:28] <da-bayman> sudo mount /dev/sdxy /win
[19:28] <da-bayman> sudo mkdir /vdisk
[19:28] <FloodBotK2> da-bayman: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:28] <da-bayman> sudo mount -o loop /win/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /vdisk
[19:28] <kinection> the iso is good
[19:28] <James147> kinection: even if the iso is fine, the burn might have failed... installation cd are fussy
[19:28] <kinection> yea, i'll reburn and see
[19:28] <Badegakk> kinection, iso can be good, but your cd can still be corupt
[19:29] <Badegakk> kinection, i always burn install cd's on a lower bitrate
[19:29] <Badegakk> kinection, less chance for failure
[19:29] <James147> kinection: if you have a 1gig or larger usb you can spare i suggest trying to create do it from htat.. i have had alot more luck installing form a usb then cd (usb-creator-kde can create one from an iso in kubuntu... or unetbootin can do it from linux or windows)
[19:31] <kinection> unfortunately, don't have usb with me
[19:31] <da-bayman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/470356/
[19:32] <James147> da-bayman: try adding "-t ext4" to the last command *replace ext4 with the actual filesystem
[19:32] <James147> type ^^
[19:33] <da-bayman> james147: and what would the actual filesystem type be?? sorry for my ignorance
[19:33] <Badegakk> Depends on os
[19:34] <James147> da-bayman: probally ext4 or 3... (wont matter if you put 4 or 3 if it is ext)
[19:34] <James147> Badegakk: its a wubi disk image to I would think [k]ubuntu :)
[19:36] <da-bayman> james147: now i get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1...
[19:37] <Badegakk> James147, ok :)  , I didnt know that
[19:38] <James147> da-bayman: try it with "vfat"  then "auto" :S dont see it being any other filesystem other then ext or vfat so not sure what to do if that fails
[19:40] <da-bayman> james147: im pretty sure my wubi is completely broken and ill never get my important files
[19:40] <da-bayman> James147: no, vfat didnt work
[19:40] <James147> da-bayman: :( afraid I dont know what else to do then... not sure what could have broken it either
[19:41] <roam> I'm using kubuntu netbook edition. I removed one of the activity screens cause it was not working properly. How can I add another activity page?
[19:43] <Badegakk> join and quit spam :P
[19:44] <da-bayman> James147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470361/
[19:44] <James147> roam: intrasting... on the "search and launch" page I dont have the option, but on the other one i do :S (by clicking the 1/4 circly thing in the bottom corner
[19:45] <James147> da-bayman: you dont need to type into pastebin :)
[19:45] <da-bayman> James147: haha ok... irc told me to... :(
[19:45] <James147> da-bayman: as long as you are not hitting enter after every 2 words we dont really mind :)  nah thats just telling you off for pasting commands
[19:47] <James147> roam: yeah, if i configure the page off the search and launch activity type i get the option to add pages when I press the circle thing :)
[19:47] <da-bayman> James147: ok, so maybe ill focus my energy into the initial problem. When i boat into wubi i go straight to the grub2 command screen. aka "sh :grub>" how can i get my kernel info from there so i can boot
[19:48] <da-bayman> James147: uname doesnt work from there
[19:49] <James147> da-bayman: afraid i cannot really help you... I dont know that much about how the wubi system works :(
[19:50] <James147> da-bayman: nor the grub command line
[19:50] <da-bayman> James147: can u direct me to someone who does? please
[19:50] <roam> James147: well, I only have the search and launch page left
[19:51] <James147> da-bayman: just keep asking on this channel every 10 mins or so (or you could try #ubuntu since its about grub which isent kubuntu spicific)
[19:51] <da-bayman> James147: ok thanks
[19:52] <James147> roam: you can configure it and make it use a different activity... not sure of another way to do it (plasma-netbook is still quite new)
[19:52] <glaucous> Are shortcuts in KDE Menu Editor working? I can't get any programs to launch with hotkeys.
[19:53] <roam> James147: so i change that into a different activity an then add another?
[19:54] <James147> roam: click on the circle thing > configure > activity : change the activity type to one o fthe others
[19:54] <James147> roam: then you should have the option to add a new page when you click the circle thing
[19:55]  * James147 remembers hes on kde 4.5 :S cant remember how to do thing/if its possible on kde4.4 :)
[19:55] <roam> James147: that didn't work, it changed itself back into s&l
[19:57] <James147> roam: works here, but i know the netbook edition was improved quite abit in kde 4.5 ;S ... you could delete ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-netbookrc  to reset it to the default settings (will require you to restart plasma-netbook)
[19:58] <roam> will test that
[19:58] <roam> will it keep my other settings?
[19:58] <James147> glaucous: dosent seem to be working here either, but I sware it worked in the past :S
[19:59] <James147> roam: what other settings? it will reset plasma-netbook and only plasma-netbook to the default settings... so you lose all your widget info and stuff but that should be it
[19:59] <glaucous> James147, found it how to fix it. Go to System Settings -> Input Actions -> Enable KMenuEdit
[20:00] <roam> will try that then
[20:00] <James147> glaucous: ahh, yes that sounds like something i might have done
[20:00] <James147> roam: note you can rename it
[20:00] <James147> roam: to get the same effect (so you can restore the settings if you wish to)
[20:04] <roam> James147: that didn't work (removing plasma-netbookrc)
[20:05] <roxy> my secondlife install has sound. but no music. works in windows.. where to ask for help?
[20:05] <James147> roam: try also removing plasma-netbook-appletsrc
[20:07] <roam> ok, will try that then
[20:11] <roam> James147: i removed every plasma-netbook* file
[20:11] <roam> that worked
[20:15] <aaron_> Can someone help me? I'm trying to install kubuntu along side of ubuntu, so i go and install the kubuntu-desktop, and when i log out and log in with KDE it pops up a error saying the kconfig startup is missing or messed up along those lines, I already uninstalled and installed again, should i write it to a disk and install?
[20:20] <aaron_> Can someone help me? I'm trying to install kubuntu along side of ubuntu, so i go and install the kubuntu-desktop, and when i log out and log in with KDE it pops up a error saying the kconfig startup is missing or messed up along those lines, I already uninstalled and installed again, should i write it to a disk and install?
[20:23] <xsomus> hi
[20:33] <baxeico_> hi guys. any hope to see kdevelop 4.0.1 in lucid backports?
[21:11] <roam> James147: I removed plasma-destop. I think it confused plasma-netbook
[21:37] <lucitu> no 4.5 RC3 yet?
[21:53] <Zorael> Is there a guide on how to start tagging your files? I must be missing something obvious. I can tag files in Digikam which saves it into its own database. I'm not sure I'm using Nepomuk for anything at all right now.
[22:01] <baxeico_> Zorael: you should activate Nepomuk in System settings (Advanced tab)
[22:03] <Zorael> baxeico_: Once it's running, how do I tag a file? And how do I display files with a given tag?
[22:22] <xsomus> diznoya
[22:22] <baxeico_> Zorael: you should see a tag widget in Dolphin in the information panel (press F11 if you don't see it)
[22:23] <baxeico_> you can add tag there
[22:23] <baxeico_> then you can search for a tag using the search bar in Dolphin
[22:24] <baxeico_> btw, I disabled both strigi and nepomuk. I do not find them very useful until now
[22:49] <dino__> !list
[22:50] <xsomus> я в аптеке - черный лекарь, я в Европе - господин
[22:50] <maco> !ru | xsomus
[23:10] <BluesKaj> damn NM , punch in all the right parameters but it won't connect to a different network, I'm in the city , and there are lots of networks , but even the insecure ones won't connect with nm i linux ,what ajoke :)
[23:36] <Exilant> Hi, due to wlan-issues i use a more recent kernel, from the kernel-ppa. is there a way to have fglrx for new kernel, too, while staying with a recent kernel (and preferably without work)
[23:53] <sirfal09_kubunty> ewoerner:
[23:54] <sirfal09_kubunty> kubuntgu
[23:54] <ewoerner> ?
[23:54] <sirfal09_kubunty> kubuntu
[23:54] <sirfal09_kubunty> kubuntu
[23:55] <sirfal09_kubunty> kubuntu
[23:55] <sirfal09_kubunty> kubuntu
[23:55] <ewoerner> sirfal09_kubunty: spam somewhere else
[23:56] <sirfal09_kubunty> kubuntu
[23:56] <sirfal09_kubunty> kubuntu


[07:10] <erle-> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161494/npm-version-is-not-compatible-with-node-js-version
[07:10] <erle-> how is that possible, who is packaging this?
[07:11] <erle-> is npm and nodejs not packaged by the same people?
[20:35] <valorie> erle-: sounds like a question for #ubuntu-devel


[00:22] <highvoltage> zarrku: hey
[00:22] <highvoltage> zarrku: that 'invalid card' error is usually harmless. does it reboot the machine completely or just throw you back to the login screen when attempting to log on?
[00:23] <zarrku> well
[00:24] <zarrku> it reboots several times
[00:24] <zarrku> then finally displays a logon screen
[00:24]  * highvoltage hasn't run in to that one before
[00:25] <highvoltage> looking up dell gx150...
[00:25] <zarrku> I believe its a video problem
[00:25] <zarrku> al most all our thin clients ar gx150s
[00:25] <zarrku> all
[00:26] <zarrku> heh
[00:26] <highvoltage> how much ram do they have?
[00:26] <zarrku> 512 a piece
[00:26] <zarrku> somehave 1 gb
[00:26] <highvoltage> they seem like nice machines for thin clients
[00:27] <highvoltage> what display cards do they use?
[00:27] <zarrku> yeah they were
[00:27] <zarrku> 10 bucks a piece
[00:27] <zarrku> bulk sell
[00:27] <highvoltage> nice
[00:28] <highvoltage> how did you set up ltsp? from the edubuntu installer? did you set up an lts.conf?
[00:28] <zarrku> the edubuntu installer
[00:28] <highvoltage> I guess you could also try ltsp live to check whether it's a problem with your installation or something else
[00:29] <zarrku> no  I did not setup a lts.conf
[00:29] <highvoltage> zarrku: my brain is fried this afternoon but I suggest you hang around, someone might be able to help you still. or even in #ltsp
[00:30] <highvoltage> you could also try SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
[00:30] <highvoltage> if you get a machine booted up then at least you could check if there's something weird in the logs
[00:32] <highvoltage> zarrku: looking at some old bugs it's possible that it sometimes tries to load the wrong driver for that machine
[00:32] <highvoltage> zarrku: the following in your lts.conf might fix it:
[00:32] <highvoltage> [default] XSERVER=intel
[00:33] <highvoltage> (oops, with a new line after [default])
[00:34] <zarrku> I got someone to help me in ltsp high, I thank you for your help, and you are right
[00:34] <zarrku> I have to edit the lts.conf file
[00:34] <highvoltage> and aparently X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 as well
[00:36] <zarrku> the edubuntu 11.04 user profile editor is very buggy too
[00:36] <zarrku> it crashes everytime I try to load it
[13:40] <tl1000s77_> Hello everyone
[14:46] <mgariepy> good morning everyone!
[14:47] <highvoltage> welcome back mgariepy
[15:37] <scottmaccal> Greetings! Where is appropriate place to file Web site bugs?
[16:03] <highvoltage> scottmaccal: on a website! :)
[16:03] <highvoltage> scottmaccal: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-website
[16:05] <scottmaccal> but where there? :-) Heh.
[16:05] <highvoltage> not sure where the 'file bug' button went to on the launchpad UI, but you can get there directly via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect too
[16:05] <scottmaccal> OK. Thank you.
[16:05] <highvoltage> or you could just bug me or stgraber on this channel too if you want, but sometimes we forget things if there aren't bugs filed and it's not a quick fix
[16:09] <scottmaccal> so I shouldn't file a bug at the Ubuntu Website Product: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[16:10] <highvoltage> scottmaccal: is it a problem on the edubuntu website or ubuntu website?
[16:10] <scottmaccal> Edubuntu
[16:11] <highvoltage> then you should file it against edubuntu-website instead. if it's not there then even ubuntu-website will do, we'll pick it up
[16:15] <scottmaccal> OK.


[14:00] <ducasse> !info ncmpcpp
[18:30] <dax> In case anyone else was curious (I was and just looked it up): the plan as of a month ago is for Ubuntu 18.04 to ship with linux 4.15: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/10/25/kernel-team-summary-october-25-2017/
[18:31] <dax> which, happily, presumably means that amdgpu DC will be in-kernel (but disabled by default for non-Vega, can be enabled on the kernel cmdline)
[18:31] <dax> specifically, amdgpu.dc=1