[12:00] <mdz> sladen: that page was migrated to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading
[12:00] <Matt|> [mirak] , you have to specify the file name of the package you want to install with dpkg -i
[12:00] <ogra> ben_: yep...(without the colons)
[12:00] <[mirak] > ogra, i did ls to be sure im in the right directory.....and i coppied the name of the package from rename to be sure it is right
[12:00] <ben_> k
[12:00] <mdz> sladen: by the way, are you still interested in usplash development?
[12:00] <[mirak] > Matt|, i did
[12:00] <Matt|> [mirak] , use the tab button to complete the name of the file. If you can't get it, you're in the wrong directory
[12:00] <ogra> [mirak] : try ./ in front of the pkg name
[12:01] <ogra> [mirak] : no spaces
[12:01] <[mirak] > ogra, kk i will
[12:01] <[mirak] > ogra, same thing
[12:01] <chuck__> im pretty new to ubuntu and to change my dvdrecorder to DMA ive tried using hdparm and it wont let me
[12:01] <[mirak] > ogra, can i just rename it to like.... "test.deb"......and do it that way
[12:02] <chuck__> how do i do it?
[12:02] <ogra> [mirak] : dunno, never tried....
[12:02] <Zimpee> help me pls...
[12:02] <Zimpee> where can i set globally, which sound module gnome must use?
[12:02] <[mirak] > ogra, well, ill be the pig
[12:02] <ogra> chuck: with sudo
[12:03] <chuck__> sudo hdparm?
[12:03] <ogra> chuck: hdparm needs to run with admin rights
[12:03] <ogra> chuck: yep
[12:03] <[mirak] > ogra, No packages found matching test.deb.      why deos it add that extra "." at the end?
[12:04] <Zimpee> hey!!! i am here, with questions, why don't you answer me?
[12:04] <[mirak] > ogra, it did that with the original name as well
[12:04] <chuck__> it still gives me an error
[12:04] <ogra> chuck: what exactly do you type ?
[12:04] <chuck__> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[12:05] <chuck__> it sets it to on then turns it off
[12:05] <ogra> [mirak] : you are surely using dpkg ? not apt-get ?
[12:05] <sladen> ben_ / Matt|: did you figure out which  module could be loaded, and if so can you me so that I can add your results
[12:05] <VR^> can i use kde with ubuntu?
[12:05] <ben_> didn't work :p
[12:05] <[mirak] > ogra, sudo dpkg -l test.deb
[12:05] <Zimpee> VR^: yes:)
[12:05] <ben_> cpufreq: failed to something state_2 something 0
[12:06] <ogra> [mirak] : not L its a small i
[12:06] <Matt|> sladen, no i don't know how to figure it out
[12:06] <VR^> does kde come with the new release? i think i read somewhere that gnome is the default gui or something
[12:06] <fwebby> whats some good burning software for gnome that supports bin/cue?
[12:06] <[mirak] > ogra, well that is the problem then
[12:06] <sladen> Matt|:  grep name /proc/cpuinfo
[12:06] <[mirak] > ogra, thnx
[12:06] <Zimpee> gnome is default, you have to get kde manually VR^
[12:06] <VR^> Zimpee, thanks :)
[12:06] <Zimpee> ;]
[12:07] <ogra> chuck: whats the errormsg ?
[12:07] <[mirak] > ogra, tis working now
[12:07] <Zimpee> where can i set globally, which sound module gnome must use?
[12:07] <Matt|> sladen, it is celeron 2Ghz
[12:07] <chuck__>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:07] <dargo> by3
[12:07] <jsanti> how can I automatically load my .Xmodmap each time gnome starts? I tried xmodmap .Xmodmap in both .xsession and .xinitrc but none works
[12:07] <Matt|> sladen, but i still don't know how to find the right module
[12:07] <ogra> chuck: looks like its not supported by /dev/hda
[12:09] <umarmung> Zimpee, try gstreamer-properties
[12:09] <[mirak] > ogra, all is good, all is installed, thank you ever so much
[12:09] <sladen> Matt|: Q: Does the mobile Intel Celeron processor have the Intel SpeedStep technology feature?
[12:09] <chuck__> is there any other way to do it, i was using suse9.1 but heard all the hype about ubuntu and switched
[12:09] <sladen> Matt|: A: No, mobile Intel Celeron processors do not have the Intel SpeedStep technology feature. Intel SpeedStep technology is a feature found on all mobile Intel Pentium 4 processors - M and Pentium III processors - M at 600 MHz and above.
[12:10] <ogra> chuck__: are you sure the device supports it ?
[12:10] <Matt|> sladen, i thought that that only applied to p2 celerons, not p4 celerons
[12:10] <chuck__> it supports ultra dma33
[12:10] <Matt|> sladen, but i have never been sure about it
[12:11] <Zimpee> actually, i have scratching sound, how to set it? VIA AC 97 <-- umarmung
[12:12] <ogra> chuck__: and: sudo hdparm /dev/hda|grep dma reports that its off ?
[12:12] <sladen> Matt|: if you have something in Windows that appears to show speed-slowing, I'll look into it, but for the moment I've added it to the script that it doesn't have it
[12:13] <ben_> my p3 might not be above 600mhz
[12:13] <chuck__> yup
[12:13] <ben_> so which driver would i use?
[12:13] <Matt|> sladen, i don't have any evidence like that! perhaps the best thing would be to email the guy who maintains the cpufreq kernel component and get a list
[12:13] <Matt|> there is a partial list in the readme i believe
[12:13] <umarmung> Zimpee, i dont know, if you have sound you should have the correct module loaded
[12:13] <ben_> anyone, p3 under 600mhz, which cpufreq driver?
[12:14] <Zimpee> umarmung: where can i set, whois module should the sound card use?
[12:15] <ogra> ben_: i dont think your cpu supports it
[12:15] <umarmung> Zimpee, i have no clue, i dont use that soundcard, but lsmod should show you what modules are loaded
[12:15] <ogra> ben_: got the same cpu here.... this one doesnt
[12:15] <sladen> Matt|: davej never responded, I'll wait until the next time I bump into him at a party ;-)
[12:16] <Matt|> sladen, name dropper ;p
[12:16] <Matt|> linux parties huh?
[12:16] <other> I've a question for anyone who can answer it, I gave away my ubuntu cd and anytime I go to upgrade the distro or anything else it asks for the cd, and I can't get the cd back, also I have no blank cds, what should I do?
[12:16] <Matt|> other, do you have a net connection?
[12:16] <other> yes, how else would I be on here?
[12:16] <chuck__> ubuntu will send you as many distros as you want for free
[12:16] <chuck__> that was for other
[12:17] <Matt|> other, maybe on another computer
[12:17] <Matt|> other, but you can fix this: go to synaptic
[12:17] <other> Ah, well I'm on ubuntu right now.
[12:17] <sladen> ben_: yours won't support power saving, but can you paste the output of   grep name /proc/cpuinfo   anyone, so I can mark it as such
[12:17] <other> OK.
[12:17] <ogra> chuck__: i guess they will only send CDs ;)
[12:17] <chuck__> my bad
[12:17] <sladen> ben_: s/anyone/anyway/
[12:17] <Matt|> other, then go to settings --> repositories, and enable the online repositories, and disable the cd repository
[12:18] <ogra> chuck__: ...and probably only ubuntu ones *g*
[12:18] <other> I'll have to download synaptic unless it was installed on Ubuntu by default, so wait a few minutes.
[12:18] <Zimpee> it lists it umarmung, but i don't knows why it is scratching. i had no problem like this before. i could set xmms not to scratch. i chose ALSA output module, with soundcard: hw:0,1. cannot i set this to the whole gnome?
[12:18] <Matt|> other, it is installed by default: find it in Computer --> System Configuration
[12:19] <other> Ah thanks, I've needed something like this, just couldn't find it. Heh.
[12:19] <Matt|> other, it may be that it is already working
[12:20] <Matt|> other, try pressing "refresh" and then "mark all upgrades" and "apply"
[12:20] <umarmung> Zimpee, gstreamer-properties and set it to alsasink, then apps like totem & rhythmbox should use alsa
[12:20] <Zimpee> umarmung: need i restart or re-login?
[12:20] <other> Thank you very much, Matt|.
[12:20] <Matt|> other, pleash
[12:20] <Matt|> cya later all
[12:20] <umarmung> Zimpee, no, restarting the application should be enough
[12:21] <Zimpee> ok
[12:21] <umarmung> Zimpee, also check that those scratches arent caused by some input-channel turned up to the max ;)
[12:22] <kurtw> Help!  Does the shipping version of PHP include the MySQL library or am I just missing something.
[12:22] <Zimpee> they aren't, i've checked:)))
[12:22] <sladen> ben_: did you have any luck finding out the contents of    grep name /proc/cpuinfo ?
[12:23] <ogra> sladen: model name      : Pentium III (Coppermine)
[12:23] <ogra> sladen: we have the same one :)
[12:26] <stuNNed_> what's the new ubuntu wiki site?
[12:26] <chuck__> is there any other way to make dvd playback not so choppy with mplayer without dma
[12:27] <chuck__> i still cant change it yarrrrr
[12:27] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[12:27] <stuNNed_> ogra, thanks
[12:28] <Zimpee> doesn't wrok, umarmung, gone system sound are still scratching.
[12:28] <Zimpee> *work
[12:30] <Lowry>  ogle is giving an error of no accelerated IMDCT found - display frame rate 0 fps
[12:30] <stoneguy> New topic: Could anyone point me to instructions on how to get my mounted VFAT partitions as icons anywhere on the desktop?
[12:31] <ogra> what is ogle ?
[12:31] <Lowry> a dvd player
[12:31] <Zimpee> stone: create symlinks to your desktop i think
[12:31] <Zimpee> apropo
[12:31] <Zimpee> i cant bbrowse my mounted vfat partitions as user
[12:32] <Zimpee> how to mount them? i need it
[12:32] <ogra> Lowry: why dont you use totem ?
[12:33] <ogra> Lowry: just looking at the ogle page....its gtk1 ....
[12:33] <Kirsch> Something the world needs: Wireless Power Adapters :-P
[12:33] <Lowry> How good is it on a low end g3?
[12:34] <ogra> Lowry: dunno...i can check it in the office tomorrow though
[12:34] <ogra> Lowry: got an old iMac there
[12:35] <Lowry> thx
[12:35] <Lowry> Just trying different players
[12:36] <Lowry> Vlc gives 0.7.2 Bond
[12:36] <Lowry> Illegal instruction
[12:39] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[12:39] <hypa7ia> ogra: as in burning to audio cds?
[12:40] <ogra> hypa7ia: yep
[12:40] <stoneguy> zimpee: Thx - that's start. Will go 'way and fiddle awhile with different mount options.
[12:40] <chuck__> on to a new question.. i installed nautilus with synaptic and cant find it
[12:40] <hypa7ia> ogra: hook me up
[12:40] <hypa7ia> or is that link it (can't open links right now, damn firefox)
[12:41] <ogra> hypa7ia: garb it, read the instructions and mail bugreports ;)
[12:41] <hypa7ia> chuck__: are you in gnome?
[12:41] <ogra> chuck__: on ubuntu ?
[12:41] <hypa7ia> lol ogra
[12:42] <chuck__> im on ubuntu
[12:42] <hypa7ia> chuck__: nautilus is what you use to access your files.  so go to the computer menu at the top anc click "home"
[12:42] <ogra> chuck__: so nautilus is already there
[12:42] <hypa7ia> then you'll be in nautilus
[12:43] <ben_> hi
[12:43] <ben_> did anyone answer my question?
[12:43] <chuck__> aha sorry im a newbie and was expecting something like k3e
[12:43] <ben_> p3 under 600mhz, which cpufreq driver?
[12:44] <Zimpee> i cant browse my mounted vfat partitions as user, how to mount them?
[12:44] <ogra> chuck__: if you drop in a empty cd nautilus opens a window where you can drop your files to burn....
[12:44] <hypa7ia> chuck__: nope, nothing like that.  insert a blankcd and a window pops up.... right-click on an iso and "burn to cd"
[12:44] <chuck__> thanx ogra and hypa
[12:45] <ben_> ogra: which cpufreq driver, speedstep-smi didn't work?
[12:45] <ben_> it might be under 600mhz
[12:45] <ogra> ben_: you are using the same cpu as i ? Pentium III (Coppermine)
[12:45] <ben_> ogra: yup, i think so
[12:45] <hypa7ia> so weird.  in windoze my burner won't go over 8x... nautilus burns at 24x :-)
[12:46] <ogra> ben_: mine cant do speedstep/cpufreq at all
[12:46] <ogra> :(
[12:46] <ben_> ogra: amn
[12:46] <ben_> *damn
[12:46] <ben_> lol
[12:46] <ben_> i'll just try some other ones
[12:46] <ben_> and hope for the best :p
[12:46] <ben_> anyway, g2g
[12:46] <ben_> bye
[12:46] <cyrus-tc> i ve just pointed out how to get the "forward and back" buttons working on my logitech mx500 mouse ;)
[12:47] <hypa7ia> cyrus-tc: where?
[12:47] <leitao> please, i want to make a dns cacher. should i use some special app, or bind does it?
[12:48] <cyrus-tc> hypa7ia, http://www.teamstaroffice.org/download/sonstiges/mousemap-v0.4.tar.gz get this app first
[12:49] <hypa7ia> ogra: i'm gonna try out mr burns later tonight
[12:49] <hypa7ia> i'll let you know how it goes :-)
[12:49] <ben> hi
[12:50] <ogra> hypa7ia: fine... keep in mind its not very responsive yet, so be patient before killing it, it may still work in the background ;)
[12:50] <ben> ogra: where are the cpufreq drivers?
[12:50] <hypa7ia> what's the addy on your apt repositoyu?
[12:50] <hypa7ia> nm found it :-)
[12:50] <chuck__> dont cry but i gotta go ill probably be back if google cant help me
[12:50] <ogra> its on the software page
[12:51] <ogra> the link....
[12:51] <ben> ogra: was that to me?
[12:51] <ogra> nope
[12:51] <ogra> hypa7ia: http://www.grawert.net/software.html or https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[12:52] <ogra> ben: your cpu doesnt support it no matter which driver you use
[12:52] <ogra> ben: it wont work
[12:52] <ben> well it might *pouts*
[12:52] <ben> lol
[12:52] <Witigonen> Hey all, I'm having some trouble with playing DVDs.  .avi files work fine, but with DVDs, my computer gets really, really, really laggy and the sound has static.
[12:52] <ben> ok
[12:52] <ben> how else can i prolong battery life?
[12:53] <ben> what stuff can i turn off?
[12:53] <Kirsch> lol
[12:53] <Kirsch> ben: why u so eager to extend battery life?
[12:53] <Kirsch> u've been here almost all day
[12:53] <Kirsch> hahaa
[12:53] <ben> because my battery life kinda sucks, alot
[12:53] <Kirsch> oh...
[12:54] <ben> it's actually not too bad, but i got alot better battery life on windows 98
[12:54] <ogra> ben: you said P3 600, could it be the age of the batt ?
[12:54] <ben> is there any way to set gnome to a 256 color mode?
[12:54] <ben> ogra: the battery is about 4 years old
[12:54] <ogra> ben: sounds like sony ....
[12:55] <ben> but it was used for about 2 years
[12:55] <ben> then on the shelf for 2
[12:55] <ben> and then i pulled it down and decided to put linux on it
[12:55] <ben> :p
[12:55] <ben> ogra: it's a compaq presario
[12:55] <ben> crappiest computer in the world
[12:55] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $ cd /mnt/c/
[12:55] <Zimpee> bash: cd: /mnt/c/: Access denied
[12:55] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $
[12:56] <Zimpee> how to mount my partitions? i want to browse, write them as user
[12:56] <Zimpee> the root can
[12:56] <ogra> Zimpee: show your fstab line for /mnt/c/
[12:57] <Zimpee> ogra: /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          auto    rw,user,umask=000  0       0
[12:57] <iminj_> test
[12:58] <ogra> Zimpee: try /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000  0       0
[12:59] <Zimpee> access denied
[12:59] <ogra> Zimpee: is it vfat ?
[01:00] <Zimpee> it is
[01:00] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $ ls -la /mnt/
[01:00] <Zimpee> total 76
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr-xr-x    5 root     root         4096 2004-11-06 16:05 .
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr-xr-x   22 root     root         4096 2004-11-06 15:15 ..
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    7 root     root         4096 1970-01-01 01:00 c
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    5 root     root        32768 1970-01-01 01:00 d
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    6 root     root        32768 1970-01-01 01:00 e
[01:00] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $
[01:00] <Zimpee> sry for flood
[01:01] <ogra> Zimpee: thats mine, i can browse and mount it: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[01:02] <ben> i have a PIII 600mhz
[01:02] <ben> for sure
[01:02] <ogra> Zimpee: so i d guess to leave the umask
[01:02] <ben> it's on the compaq website
[01:03] <ben> ogra: it also says my laptop supports acpi
[01:03] <Zimpee> access denied
[01:03] <ben> acpi has yet to work at all for me though
[01:03] <Zimpee> [root can access it]
[01:03] <ben> it only seems to work on mandrake
[01:03] <ben> :(
[01:04] <ben> dude, the manual that came with the comp says it has intel speedstep technology
[01:04] <Zimpee> maybe it is that the x flag isnot set, don't you think ogra? can you show me your ls -la /mnt/
[01:04] <Zimpee> ?
[01:04] <ben> and it tells how to fiddle with it under windows
[01:05] <ben> so where are the cpufreq drivers again?
[01:06] <ogra> Zimpee: drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root            6 2004-09-27 22:11 hda1
[01:06] <Zimpee> well, how to set +x to these directories?
[01:06] <ogra> ben913:  locate cpufreq|grep kernel
[01:06] <Zimpee> maybe thats the trouble ogra
[01:06] <kensai> which is a good download manager for gnome equivalent to kget?
[01:06] <jason_> why isn't there cdrdao w32codecs and tvtime in the AMD64 repositories?
[01:07] <ogra> Zimpee: sudo chmod +x /mnt/c
[01:07] <ogra> Zimpee: unmount before
[01:07] <Zimpee> right
[01:07] <Gwildor> 3y3'/\/\ 4/\/ 31337 h4x0r! ............waht does that say?
[01:07] <ben913> ogra: "could not open database: No such file or directory"
[01:07] <ogra> jason w32 != amd64
[01:08] <GnuHippy> why?
[01:08] <ogra> ben913: oh, very fresh install
[01:08] <ben913> ogra: huh?
[01:08] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    7 root     root         4096 1970-01-01 01:00 c
[01:08] <Zimpee>  <-- after chmod +x /mnt/c, ogra
[01:08] <ogra> ben913: look in /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/
[01:08] <GnuHippy> ogra?
[01:09] <ogra> GnuHippy: w32 = windows 32bit binary codec files.....
[01:09] <GnuHippy> so there is no way to get them to work in 64bit linux?
[01:09] <ben913> ogra: oh, i think something is messed up; the only thing in those directories are things like cpufreq_powersave.ko
[01:10] <ben913> don't see any drivers :(
[01:10] <ogra> ben913: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/
[01:10] <kensai> there is no good download manager?
[01:10] <ben913> kensai, for what?
[01:10] <ben913> firefox comes with a pretty good one
[01:11] <ben913> ogra: what's speedstep-ich and the other speedstep one?
[01:12] <ogra> ben913: dunno, try them, they will complain if there is no such device
[01:12] <ben913> k
[01:14] <Zimpee> the trouble is, that at every mount, it changes the modes of the mounted dir.
[01:14] <Ruffian|JANE|> OMFG!why do people bash Ubuntu!  Libranet is my other favorite distro also: http://forum.libranet.com/viewtopic.php?t=5845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
[01:14] <GnuHippy> ogra then how is it I can run a 32 bit version of cedega with 32 bit binary DLL files????????
[01:15] <kensai> ben913: downloading like 2 GBs
[01:15] <GnuHippy> but yet there is no w32codecs for amd64
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> Have you noticed in the Ubuntu's literature that after install "root" has no password ?
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> This looks like a big "Trojan Horse" to me.
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> hahaha
[01:16] <mjr> GnuHippy, you can use the win32codecs with a 32-bit player; this is unsupported with Ubuntu, though if you want to tune a bit you can set up a 32-bit chroot environment where to run them
[01:16] <hypa7ia> HrdwrBoB: someone's not getting it eh
[01:16] <jkka> :)
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> they said you can't really use apt-get
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> someone is also on CRACK
[01:17] <mjr> GnuHippy, docs to do that on Debian are at https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id258030 , pretty straightforward to apply to Ubuntu, if you don't mind getting your hands dirty
[01:17] <hypa7ia> oh ffs.
[01:17] <ogra> GnuHippy: you can get the codecs.tgz file on the mplayer homepage....if they work on amd64
[01:17] <hypa7ia> people are so silly.
[01:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> Im using KDE in Ubuntu (Dont hate me for that), and I was wondering how I could set up a desktop shortcut icon for the / directory and automatically use it as root
[01:21] <TuxRox> I have a laptop with on-board ATI Radeon, and I have installed the driver, but it does not seem to work. Anyone know what I need to do to get full 3D support?
[01:22] <mjr> TuxRox, if yours is like mine, a low resolution ;/
[01:22] <TuxRox> mjr, yes not great resolution, but I should have acceleration regardless.
[01:22] <hypa7ia> TuxRox: that's what i have, did you do the BinaryDriverHowTo on the wiki?
[01:23] <mjr> oh, that's with 7500/16M and the free dri drivers
[01:23] <TuxRox> hypa7ia, not yet, I'll check it out. BRB
[01:23] <hypa7ia> yupyup
[01:23] <hypa7ia> worked for me
[01:24] <sch1fo> guys
[01:24] <sch1fo> when is the next versin of ubuntu coming out
[01:24] <sch1fo> current version is garbagew
[01:24] <sch1fo> wont even start gnome
[01:24] <sch1fo> on my laptop
[01:24] <hypa7ia> what vid card sch1fo?
[01:25] <sch1fo> nvidia geforce4 4200 go
[01:25] <mjr> sch1fo, is that some new way of asking for help?
[01:25] <jordi> sch1fo: calling the current release garbage isn't so nice.
[01:25] <Xenguy> mjr: hehe
[01:25] <sch1fo> had no problem with fedora
[01:25] <jordi> mjr: amen
[01:25] <sch1fo> mjr, i come in here every day to see if i can resolve this issue
[01:25] <uhuru> current rls is primo schlfo
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> sch1fo: have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[01:25] <uhuru> i might even say better than debian.
[01:25] <sch1fo> hrdwrbob, did not
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:25] <sch1fo> it detects it as a geforce4 generic
[01:25] <mjr> sch1fo, good luck with that
[01:26] <sch1fo> same as how fedora detects it
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> try that
[01:26] <ben_> hi
[01:26] <sch1fo> k
[01:26] <sch1fo> what about getting my wireless card in monitor mode
[01:26] <hypa7ia> welcome back ben913 :-)
[01:26] <sch1fo> anyone have experience with that?
[01:27] <sch1fo> i ask that question every day
[01:27] <hypa7ia> specifying the card might help sch1fo
[01:27] <ben913> ogra: what's the directory for the cpufreq drivers again? lol, last time, i promise :p
[01:27] <ogra> ben913: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/
[01:28] <sch1fo> hypa, its an prism2 i believe, with orinoco driver
[01:28] <sch1fo> works perfectly
[01:28] <sch1fo> just dont know how to set in monitor mode
[01:28] <ben913> ogra, what kind of cpu do you have?
[01:28] <sch1fo> apparently i have to patch it
[01:28] <ogra> ben913: Pentium III (Coppermine)
[01:28] <ben913> what mhz?
[01:29] <ogra> cpu MHz         : 595.812
[01:29] <ben913> how do you find that?
[01:29] <ogra> could be faster
[01:29] <ben913> all i get when i do the cat /proc/cpuinfo is the model
[01:29] <ben913> no clock speed
[01:31] <ben913> nvm, i found it
[01:31] <ben913> last try at cpu scaling
[01:31] <ben913> brb
[01:31] <stoneguy> msg nickserv stoneguy link stoneguy_
[01:31] <sch1fo> own3d
[01:32] <auke> lol
[01:32] <TuxRox> hypa7ia, it seems as though the driver did not install in /lib/modules and if I try to modprobe from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules it can not find it.... :-(
[01:32] <GnuHippy> is there anyway to get the cdrdao package for AMD64?
[01:32] <TuxRox> hypa7ia, even though it is there
[01:32] <mjg59> TuxRox: Files in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules aren't kernel modules
[01:33] <mjg59> They're loaded by the X server, not modprobe
[01:33] <TuxRox> So if I reboot, it should load?
[01:33] <TuxRox> or restart X
[01:33] <hypa7ia> you prolly need to reboot
[01:33] <hypa7ia> i did
[01:33] <mjg59> TuxRox: What are you trying to load?
[01:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> If I make a root password using "passwd" can I still use sudo and use my user password?
[01:34] <mjr> Ruffian|JANE|, yes
[01:34] <mjg59> Ruffian|JANE|: Yes
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: yes
[01:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> ahahaha
[01:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> good
[01:34] <mjr> come on, all together now!
[01:35] <auke> Hm, say, does anyone know how well a debian-updated version of unbunty will be upgradable by a new ubuntu version?
[01:35] <TuxRox> mjg59, i just want full hardware accel.
[01:36] <ogra> TuxRox: nvidia ? or ati ?
[01:36] <ben913> back
[01:36] <TuxRox> ogra, ATI
[01:36] <ben913> booo, it didn't work
[01:36] <ben913> it really annoys me though, because the compaq site says my that my exact model supports speedstep and acpi
[01:37] <ben913> but neither acpi or speed step work
[01:37] <ben913> :(
[01:37] <ogra> TuxRox: what says: lsmod|grep fglrx
[01:37] <hypa7ia> auke: i'm not really sure - i'd think as well as any other ubu install.  if you managed go deb -> ubu, you're ahead of most people already
[01:37] <Lowry>  later
[01:37] <Lowry> later
[01:37] <auke> as in, I have some problems with rhythmbox 8.5.0 (which is shipped with ubu4.10) so I'd like to install debians' rhythmbox 8.8.0
[01:38] <hypa7ia> auke: what about grabbing it from hoary?
[01:38] <TuxRox> ogra, comes up blank....
[01:38] <auke> aah.. hoary is alive already somewhere?
[01:38] <ogra> TuxRox: sudo modprobe fglrx
[01:38] <ben913> when is hoary being released?
[01:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> hehe
[01:39] <hypa7ia> spring next year
[01:39] <auke> hypa7ia, like, I can add the hoary repository to sources.lst? cool :)
[01:39] <ogra> ben913: april
[01:39] <hypa7ia> that you can
[01:39] <TuxRox> ogra, Module not found......
[01:39] <auke> gimme sec, lemme try :)
[01:39] <ben913> booo
[01:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> when hoary comes out I can apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to it right?
[01:39] <ogra> TuxRox: sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[01:39] <TuxRox> ogra, Synaptic shows the driver as already installed....
[01:40] <ben913> ogra: do you have a laptop? if so, are u running acpi or apm?
[01:40] <ogra> TuxRox: warty ? which architecture ?
[01:40] <auke> hypa7ia, hey, this seems to work dude, thanks a lot
[01:41] <TuxRox> ogra, Warty, on an i386 Pentium 4 laptop.
[01:41] <hypa7ia> <-- not a dude
[01:41] <hypa7ia> but glad to help :-)
[01:41] <auke> hypa7ia, ghehe dudette? :P
[01:41] <hypa7ia> heh, yup :-)
[01:42] <auke> uhm, ah, that's unexpected :-)
[01:42] <ogra> TuxRox: try to reinstall the driver
[01:42] <TuxRox> ogra, will do.
[01:43] <auke> grr
[01:43] <auke> ok, how's this...
[01:43] <auke> "Unable to load file: no plugin loaded to open MP3 file - segfault
[01:43] <hypa7ia> auke: you need w32codecs
[01:43] <ben913> anyone know of any screenshots of 3ddesktop?
[01:43] <auke> for mp3?
[01:43] <ogra> auke: rhythmbox ?
[01:43] <mjr> bah, you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:43] <auke> ogra, yup
[01:44] <ogra> auke: gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:44] <mjr> shouldn't segfault without it, tho
[01:44] <TuxRox> ogra, It still does not show up in /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386/kernel/driver/video...... :-(
[01:44] <sch1fo> guys, how can i get the kernel source
[01:44] <hypa7ia> auke: might want to file a bug about the segfault
[01:45] <hypa7ia> sch1fo: in synaptics
[01:45] <ogra> TuxRox: you should run apt-get dist-upgrade this kernel is way old
[01:45] <TuxRox> ogra, I see, will do.
[01:45] <ogra> sch1fo: linux-source is what youre looking for
[01:45] <auke> mm, alot of gstreamer thingyes, but no -mad package
[01:45] <sch1fo> hypa, whats it called
[01:45] <mjr> auke, it's in universe
[01:45] <sch1fo> ogra, k thx
[01:46] <ogra> auke: is in universe, did you enable it =
[01:46] <ogra> lol, mjr
[01:46] <auke> aah... mm...
[01:46] <auke> ok, that's a bit dissapointing - so I do have to select universe to be able to listen to mp3's?
[01:46] <ogra> auke: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:47] <mjr> yes you do, because mp3 is a restricted format
[01:47] <auke> ...
[01:47] <TuxRox> ogra, I'm a little lost. Call it RedHatism, but I tried dist-upgrade and it came back with 0 insta, 0 upgrade, etc...
[01:47] <mjr> recommend to prefer vorbis, but for existing mp3 files, just get the codec
[01:47] <auke> TuxRox, did you do apt-get update first?
[01:47] <ogra> TuxRox: apt-get upgrade before ?
[01:47] <auke> ah, ok
[01:48] <ogra> auke: is right...my typo
[01:48] <TuxRox> ok, i'll do that first.
[01:49] <TuxRox> That didn't work either...... Not too sure why the kernel is getting exculeded....
[01:49] <ogra> TuxRox: what did happen ?
[01:49] <TuxRox> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:50] <ogra> TuxRox: could you send me your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:50] <TuxRox> Ya, wait one.
[01:50] <auke> hypa7ia, ogra, thanks that solved it :)
[01:50] <hypa7ia> yay!
[01:50] <ogra> ;)
[01:50] <auke> and indeed I try to use FLAC/vorbis as much as possible but my ipod doesnt eat those nice ogg's... :(
[01:51] <auke> GRRRR
[01:51] <auke> segfaul again
[01:56] <theine> Hi, I'm still getting no sound under hoary (although I do get it when the login screen comes up). I just did a dist-upgrade, but still the same problem. Is this a common problem?
[01:57] <hypa7ia> auke: i'd ask that on the mailing list, it sounds like a good thing to have documented
[01:57] <auke> hypa7ia, uhm, sure, I think - but I'm sort-of new in this whole ubu thingy :)
[01:57] <theine> guys?
[01:58] <Auke> (hmm, that might give the wrong idea in some aspects... )
[01:58] <hypa7ia> Auke: moi aussi, no worries
[01:58] <Auke> ;]
[01:58] <Auke> theine, did you have a look at 'gnome-volume-control' ?
[01:59] <theine> Auke: Thanks buddy, I had...
[02:00] <Auke> hmm, does 'cat /dev/sndstat' look interesting?
[02:00] <Pustulo> theine, I had a similar problem.. was a USB webcam getting detecteed before ther onboard sound
[02:01] <theine> The problem seems to be related to esd... killall appearently solves the problem -- not a very nice solution of course
[02:01] <theine> ``killall esd'' i mean
[02:01] <Pustulo> theine, that doesn't sound like my problem any more :)
[02:01] <Auke> theine, in that case it seems like you should teach your apps to use esd... or perhaps install alsa-esd
[02:01] <mjr> hmh, esd shouldn't reserver the device when nothing's playing
[02:02] <mjr> -r
[02:02] <DrAk0> where i can download the latest iso plz
[02:02] <theine> mjr: but it does, plenty of people in the forums have the same problem as I just saw
[02:04] <Matt|> is there any way to get hold of the old BLUE ubuntu artwork stuff from the original warty release?
[02:05] <Pustulo> theine, hmm this might be like my problem..  Do you have any hotplug/USB/PCMCIA devices with microphones or sound capabilities?
[02:07] <theine> Pustulo: not that I know of
[02:07] <cornflake> where can i find a howto on setting up cdrecord?
[02:07] <cornflake> for ubuntu, anyway...
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> you don't setup cdrecord
[02:07] <Pustulo> theine, OK.  ignore me :)
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> you just run it
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> what are you trying to acheive
[02:08] <DrAk0> O_o
[02:08] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: then wut's the burn command?
[02:08] <DrAk0> i just want download the OSI and i can't find it
[02:09] <tmartin> how do i change the background and foreground color of my xterm windows?
[02:10] <Matt|> tmartin, are you using gnome-terminal?
[02:10] <liten> xterm -fg grey -bg black
[02:10] <tmartin> xterm
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> cornflake: it depends, cdrecord is quite complicated, what are you actually trying t5o DO
[02:10] <tmartin> how do i find what colors are supported?
[02:10] <tmartin> are all html hex colors accepted?
[02:11] <ogra> DrAk0: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[02:11] <liten> tmartin: you can have a look at google for ".Xresources"
[02:11] <DrAk0> ogra, Thanks!
[02:11] <Auke> tmartin, try 'xterm -bg "#AABBCC" -fg "#DDEEFF"'
[02:11] <Auke> (don't type the 's, but do type the "s
[02:12] <tmartin> Auke, that worksk
[02:12] <Auke> of course :P
[02:12] <Pustulo> tmartin, /etc/X11/rgb.txt
[02:12] <Matt|> how can i install gdm themes?
[02:13] <Matt|> where do i put em?
[02:13] <Auke> and you can use the hint on Xresources to make this automatic for each xterm you start up.
[02:13] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: i'm trying to burn a music cd
[02:13] <tmartin> thx pustulo
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> cornflake: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 -audio track1.wav track2.wav
[02:13] <Pustulo> tmartin, those are predefined, named colours
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> will burn an audio CD with those tracks at speed 24 with the device in /dev/hdc
[02:14] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: ok, i'll try that
[02:14] <cardador> Matt|: computer > sys conf > login screen setup > graphical > install new theme
[02:14] <tmartin> actually using those predifined names doest work
[02:15] <Matt|> cardador, thanks, i unzipped it in the /usr/share/gdm/themes dir hopefully it will work
[02:15] <Pustulo> tmartin.  weird
[02:15] <Auke> tmartin, they should... try for example 'xterm -bg cornsilk'?
[02:15] <tmartin> that worked
[02:15] <Auke> then which name did you try?
[02:15] <tmartin> AliceBlue for foreground
[02:16] <tmartin> that didnt work
[02:16] <Pustulo> any error msg?
[02:16] <Auke> hm, that works for me
[02:16] <Auke> (do note that it looks very close to white um?)
[02:17] <tmartin> oh ok
[02:17] <Auke> :-P
[02:17] <tmartin> yea it worked for bg so its gotta be working for fg too
[02:17] <tmartin> can i resize the xterm window?
[02:18] <tmartin> im lookin at the man..
[02:18] <tmartin> lotta options
[02:18] <Pustulo> tmartin try it.. at worst your system explodes in smoke
[02:18] <Pustulo> tmartin, -geometry XxY
[02:19] <tmartin> oooo sweetness
[02:20] <tmartin> can xterm be transparent too?
[02:20] <Auke> nope
[02:20] <Pustulo> tmartin, not normally
[02:20] <Auke> (try aterm or gnome-terminal for that
[02:20] <Pustulo> or eterm
[02:21] <tmartin> reason im using xterm is becvause gnome terminal wasnt recognizing escape sequence colors
[02:21] <tmartin> or whatever it is that allows you to view colors on ur filesystem
[02:21] <Pustulo> ick
[02:22] <Auke> dude, you got colors on your filesystem? what did fsck day?
[02:22] <Auke> err, *say?
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> er
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> ls --color
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> I think is what he means
[02:23] <tmartin> well imean when i do ls
[02:23] <tmartin> i get colors for dierectories
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:23] <Auke> oh, really... (sorry, I'm joking)
[02:24] <Pustulo> ick.. colours.. i never got used to colours on ls.. unalias ls is one tf the first things I do :)
[02:24] <tmartin> oh haha
[02:24] <Pustulo> mind you, im colour-blind
[02:24] <tmartin> ah well then it looks a bit diff for you
[02:24] <Auke> ah :-) I usually use ls -F , because that also works on old sun boxes
[02:24] <billytwowilly> what is the password for cups administration?
[02:25] <tmartin> i just dont like all the verbosity of ls -l so colors help
[02:25] <Pustulo> ls -Fc is my norm
[02:25] <tmartin> oh ok
[02:25] <tmartin> that works
[02:25] <vortex25> I could never get that cups web interface working, so I just used the Computer->System Configuration->Printing
[02:25] <theine> billytwowilly: tried your root password?
[02:25] <tmartin> just for me colors are more quickly recognized than asteriks
[02:26] <billytwowilly> theine, I tried it, it didn't work
[02:26] <Pustulo> tmartin, Ive been playing with UNIces since 1990.. ls -Fc has been around  longer than colour ls :)
[02:27] <theine> hmmm... that's odd
[02:27] <Pustulo> tmartin, * @ + and / mean more to me than colours
[02:27] <theine> I really thought it's the root password
[02:27] <tmartin> whats @ and +
[02:28] <Pustulo> i meant =, not +
[02:28] <Pustulo> @ is a link I thought
[02:28] <billytwowilly> theine, I thought it was too.... what should I be using for the username?
[02:28] <theine> billytwowilly: root
[02:29] <exfarmboy> Question from a newbie... tried installing Ubuntu on an old pentium, using the Smart Boot Manager floppy and the Ubuntu boot CD.  The boot menu came up but the CDROM drive was not listed as an option.  I tried specifying the I/O address directly and that did not work.   The primary and secondary ide channels are at addresses
[02:29] <billytwowilly> theine, that doesn't work..
[02:29] <Pustulo> = is a pipe i think
[02:29] <theine> billytwowilly: you've done ``sudo passwd root'' right?
[02:29] <exfarmboy> Woops... sorry... cut my sentence off.  Anyone willing to chat for a bit to help me out?
[02:30] <billytwowilly> theine, uhh. I have a password.. I changed it with the user and group thingy.
[02:30] <billytwowilly> wouldn't that just wipe the password?
[02:30] <theine> billytwowilly: yes, you sure have a password, but maybe root has none yet
[02:30] <billytwowilly> no, I mean the root user has a password
[02:31] <billytwowilly> I can su and put in my password and become root.
[02:31] <theine> billytwowilly: I see, well the you should be fine of course
[02:31] <bito> what is MD5 for word: damasio?
[02:31] <bito> now iam in windows
[02:31] <theine> billytwowilly: Sorry that you aren't as far as cups is concerned
[02:31] <billytwowilly> theine, but no closer to figuring out why cups hates me;)
[02:31] <bito> sorry
[02:32] <Auke> fe9ea670b5d795d7310c01e03fd6022e
[02:32] <bito> damasio
[02:32] <Auke> yep
[02:32] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: that command didn't work
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> cornflake: no, you need to modify it to be the same as your stuff.
[02:34] <billytwowilly> BASTARDS! "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing."
[02:34] <billytwowilly> how do I unscrew this up?
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> use menu-> system conf-> printing
[02:35] <billytwowilly> I like the web interface.
[02:35] <billytwowilly> That's at the top of the webinterface.
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> humour me
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> and try using that
[02:36] <billytwowilly> I am using that. I want to know how to unmess up the cups web interface. If you guys are going to disable it you should include directions on how to fix it.
[02:37] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: nvm, it worked, but it just did a bad  burn
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> ok cool
[02:37] <housetier> billytwowilly we are bastards, remember?
[02:37] <billytwowilly> housetier, Yah, but I'm trying to give you an opportunity to prove me wrong;)
[02:38] <housetier> you missed the opportunity to show respect
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> billytwowilly: essentially, the web interface shouldn't be used, that's the intention, however I'm sure you can re-enable it
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> though I'm not actually sure how
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> since I just used the gui printer dialog
[02:40] <theine> for me, gnome-cups-manager doesn't even start...
[02:40] <theine> I'm using hoary as I should probably add
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[02:40] <Pustulo> easy.. dont use a printer... save trees :)
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> that might be why
[02:41] <robertj> okay, undergoing the wife test
[02:42] <robertj> Hostname screen causing intimidation
[02:42] <robertj> "are these case sensitive" "Can I erase the ubuntu"
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: yeah that's a matter of some problem
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> the question is not really 100% necesarry
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> but irritating to change
[02:43] <robertj> that's a tough one
[02:43] <Pustulo> change wife.. much easier.. though more expensive
[02:43] <robertj> I'd say a reverse lookup should be attempted, and if it doesn't work, give it a random or default hostname
[02:44] <robertj> The moment of truth...the partitioning step
[02:44] <hypa7ia> reverse == not so useful for those on dynamic ips
[02:45] <hypa7ia> it will often return a value, but that value could be wrong on the next login
[02:45] <robertj> hypa7ia: if it fails they likely don't have any hostname policys
[02:45] <robertj> oh, that's right
[02:45] <hypa7ia> yes, but if it succeeds it could still prove problematic
[02:46] <robertj> I could see it being stupid but not problomatic
[02:47] <robertj> say your hostanme is like this fellow CPEblahblahblah81b
[02:47] <robertj> and it changes to something similar but not the same
[02:47] <robertj> is it really any worse than "mybox432"
[02:47] <ben913> why does linux ring the system bell like 2 or 3 times on start up and shut down
[02:48] <robertj> ben: not sure, did you do a normal ubuntu install?
[02:49] <ben913> robertj: yeah
[02:50] <ben913> i think it beeps because of errors, but why would it beep on shut down then?
[02:50] <desp> hey
[02:50] <robertj> ben: my guess is pci
[02:50] <robertj> err pcmcia
[02:50] <desp> can someone explain to me why gvim opens a file showing both its beginning and its end?
[02:51] <ben913> ok, so how do i fix that? :p
[02:51] <desp> I'd much rather have just one view into the file
[02:52] <ema> a
[02:52] <andril> hello all again
[02:53] <andril> :)
[02:53] <ben913> robertj: how can i make it not beep for pcmia stuff?
[02:53] <robertj> find the packages that beep and remove them
[02:54] <Pustulo> pcmcia only beeps when its enabling/disabling things.. removing pkgs wont fix anything
[02:54] <Pustulo> unless you dont want to use pcmcia cards
[02:54] <tmartin> ahhh i cant change the default terminal in gnome to xterm with options
[02:54] <tmartin> it keeps applying my options to the gnome terminal
[02:55] <robertj> ok, partition stage did nto go well with wife
[02:55] <robertj> "Install Ubuntu on free space" needs to get in there ;)
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: check bugzilla
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> and file a bug report feature request :)
[02:56] <ben913> how do i know what's making the beep?
[02:56] <ben913> if i have a wireless card in the pcmia slot, would that make it beep on start up?
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> a lot beep on pcmcia insert
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> plug in the card = beep
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> when you bootup and it starts up, it detects the card is plugged in
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> and beeps
[02:57] <Pustulo> there's a beep for detection and one for enabling I think
[02:58] <tmartin> the preffred applications wont accpet xterm -bg "AliceBlue" in the custom terminal section
[02:59] <tmartin> ne1 successfully changed their default terminal under gnome?
[02:59] <Pustulo> tmartin, are you sure there isn't a setting for gnome-term to use the ascii colour thing?
[02:59] <Pustulo> tmartin, it seems odd to me that the gnome-term wouldnt grok the colours
[03:00] <M-and-M_> w00t
[03:00] <tmartin> i got gnome-terminal working
[03:00] <tmartin> its just damn slow compared to xterm for startup
[03:00] <Pustulo> tmartin, sheesh hard to please:)
[03:00] <spox> yo
[03:00] <tmartin> well heck thats why im using ubuntu
[03:00] <eclipse> hi, anyone in here knows how to install a firefox skin manually?
[03:00] <tmartin> so i can customize the hell out of it
[03:01] <schifo> guys
[03:01] <eclipse> no one?
[03:01] <spox> jeezz the only thing which I hear these days is "that's why I'm using ubuntu"
[03:02] <eclipse> hi, anyone in here knows how to install a firefox skin manually?
[03:02] <Pustulo> eclipse.. look at the firefox/mozilla site for it
[03:02] <schifo> how do i download the kernel source guys
[03:02] <eclipse> i know but i just want a quick answer
[03:02] <Pustulo> eclipse: under preferences , go to the themes settings
[03:02] <ben913> HrdwrBob: so how would i stop it from beeping?
[03:02] <Pustulo> eclipse: its pretty intuitive
[03:02] <ben913> it's really annoying to take out the card and then put it back in
[03:03] <Pustulo> ben: turn the volume down  or unplug the speaker :)
[03:03] <schifo> how do i download the kernel source guys
[03:04] <schifo> i tried searching for kernel-source in synaptic but i dont see 2.6.8
[03:04] <eclipse> pustulo, i don't see it
[03:05] <Pustulo> eclipse, under tools, sorry
[03:05] <Pustulo> eclipse, i dont have one handy to look at
[03:05] <ben913> it's a laptop, and volume doesn't effect it
[03:05] <eclipse> i can't find it
[03:06] <eclipse> the only way to install is by letting firefox install it
[03:06] <Pustulo> yes
[03:06] <Pustulo> well maybe
[03:06] <eclipse> actually i found a site that shows u how
[03:06] <Pustulo> that's the easiest
[03:07] <Pustulo> ben: i have an answer for you
[03:07] <Pustulo> you owe me beer
[03:08] <bigt> question can someone kindly help me with getting firefox to work with ubuntu please? it keeps giving me bus error
[03:08] <Pustulo> ben: you need to pass "cardmgr" a "-q" argument
[03:08] <ben913> Pustulo: where do i put that?
[03:08] <Pustulo> ben: gimme a minute
[03:09] <ben913> Pustula: thanks a bundle ;)
[03:10] <Pustulo> ben:  you need to edit /etc/init.d/pcmcia
[03:10] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I was wondering why not all my files are "previewed" while others are?
[03:10] <Pustulo> ben: look for the like with "CARDMGR_OPTS"
[03:11] <Pustulo> ben, you should be able to just put "-q" afte rthe =.  There might be a better way to do this, but this should work
[03:12] <Pustulo> ben.. argh.. my advice is based on a redhat 9 install, not ubuntu, so i might be wrong
[03:13] <ben913> Pustulo: yeah, rthe =. isn't in there
[03:13] <ben913> what should i put in front of cardmgr_opts ?
[03:13] <Pustulo> ben, don't touch it :) you might be doin the wrong thing
[03:13] <Pustulo> ben... i dont have a pcmcia setup to refer to :/
[03:14] <ben913> oh, lol
[03:15] <Pustulo> ben:  i know you need to get the -q option to the cardmgr, but I can't tell you how to do it without the scripts handy
[03:15] <ben913> oh, alright
[03:15] <ben913> i can always fiddle with it later
[03:15] <Pustulo> ben, sorry
[03:15] <ben913> what's cardmgr -q mean?
[03:15] <ben913> cardmgr quiet?
[03:15] <Pustulo> -q = quiet
[03:16] <ben913> what would happen if i put -q in front of cardmgr_opt ?
[03:16] <Pustulo> i dont know, you may well break your pcmcia stuff
[03:16] <ben913> if it doesn't work or messes something up, it will just mess up pcmia, right?
[03:17] <ben913> well i can always change it back, correct?
[03:17] <Pustulo> ben, i guess (no warranties disclaimer here)
[03:17] <Pustulo> ben, send it to me if you want
[03:18] <desp> can someone help me?  I want to build gedit from source, and have it recognized by the apt package system.  what do I need to do?
[03:19] <nevyn> desp: why do you want to build it from source?
[03:19] <tmartin> how would i edit my XResources file so that whenever i start up XTerm with just the command "xterm" my color choices are applied?
[03:19] <desp> nevyn: I want to fix the black-cursor-on-black-background bug
[03:19] <tmartin> or coudl i put a file in my user dir?
[03:20] <desp> nevyn: I can't believe nobody uses gedit in white-on-black mode
[03:20] <nevyn> it's not fixed in the latest version in warty?
[03:20] <desp> no, it's not.
[03:20] <Pustulo> tmartin .Xresources or .xresources, I think
[03:20] <Pustulo> tmartin, not sure of the format
[03:20] <tmartin> yea ok i think i just found a page on google
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> desp: you would need a source line in apt-get
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> then you can apt-get source gedit
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> and build it from the ubuntu sources into a deb
[03:21] <desp> HrdwrBoB: oh, nice.
[03:21] <desp> thx
[03:21] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone here have luck installing dvdrip?
[03:22] <Pustulo> heh.. hanging out in here sure beats working
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> Pustulo: heh
[03:25] <robertj> debian installer allows resizing of ntfs partitions on the fly right?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> I beleive so
[03:25] <robertj> so where did that option go?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> oh, if it's not there, no
[03:26] <desp> HrdwrBoB: can you tell me how exactly should I build it from the ubuntu sources into a deb?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> desp: lookup how to make a deb
[03:27] <desp> okay
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's the same process
[03:28] <bob2> robertj: it's not in warty's installer
[03:28] <bob2> and I'd be really really paranoid about backaups before trying anything like that
[03:29] <zenwhen> hopefully my k3b install will finish tonight
[03:29] <robertj> bob2: but why is it not
[03:29] <zenwhen> i need ot make a big fat backup of this install to dvd
[03:29] <zenwhen> to*
[03:30] <bob2> robertj: because it was added after warty forked
[03:30] <robertj> bob2: oh
[03:30] <bob2> well, "diverged"
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> hey all
[03:38] <hypa7ia> hey Tsjoklat :-)
[03:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> Anyone who disses Ubuntu is an idiot
[03:39] <Tsjoklat> hi hypa :)
[03:39] <tvon> heh
[03:39] <Tsjoklat> lol hi Ruffian
[03:40] <tvon> Ruffian|JANE|: need to stick that on a t-shirt with naked people on the back
[03:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> AHAHAHAHAHA
[03:40] <hypa7ia> yes tvon!  i'd buy one :-)
[03:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> I hate those naked people! what was the people at Ubuntu thinking?
[03:40] <bob2> chill dudue
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> I would buy one too
[03:40] <Pustulo> mmmm nipples
[03:40] <zenwhen> haha
[03:40] <tvon> Shuttleworth was a big defender.  I think they were fine but I can understand how it could go over wrong with a lot of people.
[03:41] <Ruffian|JANE|> Why you always dissin bob2?
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> I d/l the november desktop.. removed it very fast
[03:41] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: I'm not dissing anyone, it's just that you get very excited and off-topic very quickly
[03:41] <zenwhen> I think the current login screen is pretty nice.
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> I like you excited Ruffian :)
[03:42] <Ruffian|JANE|> that black dudes a playa
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> I think it is a girl though
[03:42] <zenwhen> yeah
[03:42] <zenwhen> it is
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> lol
[03:43] <zenwhen> ?:(
[03:43] <desp> incredible! so I don't need to rebuild gedit from source just to change the cursor color! who would've thunk. http://neugierig.org/content/gtk2/
[03:43] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen grew a wig
[03:43] <hypa7ia> nice desp :-)
[03:43] <Pustulo> if you're offended at tose pics, you should see what I have on my wall here at work
[03:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[03:43] <Pustulo> pic of my baby girl freshly extracted from the whom
[03:43] <Pustulo> they dont get nuder than that
[03:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[03:43] <Tsjoklat> not offended at all...
[03:44] <Ruffian|JANE|> un-tarred
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:44] <weasello> ubuntu says I can't get access to httpd.conf :(
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> congrats
[03:44] <Pustulo> still with womb-cheese
[03:44] <weasello> opens read-only
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> congrats Pustulo
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> but you are refering to something nice and personal
[03:44] <Pustulo> hey... thanks... wasnt fishing for that, but tah anyhow
[03:44] <Pustulo> :)
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> freshly extracted... lol
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> hey, my baby girl is now 10
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> so yea, i remember
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> 'daddy is a bit caught up with ubu darling'
[03:45] <Pustulo> but it isnt personal for ppl i work with.. i'd be pretty miffed if they objected
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> you never forget yoda
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:45] <ben> hi
[03:45] <zenwhen> did any ubuntu cds ship yet?
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> hi ben
[03:46] <ben> i got the beeps to stop
[03:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> ya, I orderd like 30 and nothing came
[03:46] <stuNNed> anyone ever add RPC based services to /etc/initd.conf?
[03:46] <Pustulo> w00t!
[03:46] <ben> thanks to the guy who helped me :)
[03:46] <zenwhen> ben
[03:46] <Pustulo> you legend, ben
[03:46] <Tsjoklat> ben has beeps that won't stop
[03:46] <ben> zenwhen: wat?
[03:46] <zenwhen> you mean the pc cpeaker beeps?
[03:46] <zenwhen> speaker*
[03:46] <stuNNed> s/initd/inetd
[03:46] <bob2> zenwhen: they'll be there in a couple of weeks
[03:46] <ben> zenwhen: yeah, it was because of pcmcia
[03:46] <zenwhen> oh
[03:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> I ordered 30 Ubuntu CDs like a couple of weeks ago and nothing arived!!
[03:47] <zenwhen> I wish my pc speaker didnt work
[03:47] <ben> the ubuntu CDs didn't ship yet, i don't think
[03:47] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: yes, wait
[03:47] <hypa7ia> Ruffian|JANE|: it's still in the topic...
[03:47] <zenwhen> Because I dont like that it beeps when im doing stuff in the terminal
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> I don't even have speakers plugged in
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> I like it silent
[03:47] <zenwhen> well
[03:47] <zenwhen> I like speakers
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> sometimes that is nice
[03:47] <zenwhen> but im tlaking about the pc speaker
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> quietly meshing with the ubuntu
[03:48] <ben> anyone ever use boot icons?
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> boot icons?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> like boots?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> or booties?
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> does anyone in here uses Alexandria?
[03:49] <ben> boot-icons
[03:49] <ben> it's a package
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:49] <ben> it adds graphical icons when booting
[03:49] <Pustulo> I've rescued one lost soul today... time for tea
[03:49] <ben> i dunno, thought it would look cool
[03:49] <ben> :p
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> i rescued one lost soul too
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> never heard of it
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> the boot icons
[03:49] <ben> search synaptics
[03:50] <weasello> I can't find a PostgreSQL entry in the Synaptic package thingy. Am I looking in the wrong place?
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> This Package modifies the boot progress to show small graphics
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> in the non-scrolling area of the screen (at the top, next to
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> the Linux penguin).
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> well I haven't seen it ben, nor used it sorry
[03:50] <hypa7ia> weasello: it might be in universe
[03:51] <Tsjoklat> hey weasello... are you up and running?
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> I just looked and it is in synaptic weasello
[03:52] <weasello> tsj: yep!
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> happy?
[03:52] <weasello> well, so far. Can't figure out a few things, but I'm just getting started
[03:52] <weasello> hypa: what's universe?
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> weasello: do you know how to add rep to synaptic? or are you more familair with sources.list?
[03:53] <weasello> tsj: I know neither of which you speak
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> ok I'll help
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> cd /etc/apt
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> you'll see sources.list
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> you do: sudo nano sources.list
[03:54] <natea> anyone know why when i mount my Mac OS HFS+ partition and try copying a file to it, it says that it's read-only?
[03:54] <natea> i used: mount -o rw -t hfsplus /dev/hda4 /mnt/macosx
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> and there you'll see something like: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> now for you to enable the universe rep do this:
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> make it that it reads: main restricted universe multiverse
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> on all of them
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> make sure they are all uncomment
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> meaning no: #
[03:56] <desp> okay
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> do this for security also
[03:56] <desp> so can someone tell me what do I need to do for my .gtkrc.mine file to take effect?
[03:56] <ninkendo> does ubuntu backport the radeon driver from xorg?
[03:56] <ninkendo> into XF4.3, that is
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> then close it ctrl x
[03:56] <bob2> natea: does linux support writing to hfs+?
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> and do: sudo apt-get update
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> sudo apt-get upgrade if you like
[03:57] <desp> bob2: yes, although there's a bug if the hfs+ volume is heavily fragmented and you try to create a file
[03:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> apt-get upgrade is good
[03:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> it upgrades
[03:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> =)
[03:57] <natea> bob2, i'm not sure - i also tried to use 'hfmount' but it says that the volume is not a HFS+ volume.
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> then apt-cache search postq (what ever you want)
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> if you are not sure about the file: do a apt-cache show filename
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> read about it :P
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> natea: I had that with my ipod
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> I unmounted it
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> then sudo apt-get install filename
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> used hfmount/hfumount
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> and you are good to go weasello
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> them mounted it again
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> it was all good
[03:58] <natea> HrdwrBoB, how has the firewire support been with Ubuntu?
[03:58] <Tsjoklat> too hard weasello?
[03:58] <natea> i'm experiencing strange freezes when i plug in my external Firewire HD.
[03:58] <Hikaru79> Gah, I'm such an idiot
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> natea: I used USB
[03:58] <Hikaru79> How do you burn an .iso in Nautilus' CD burner?
[03:58] <Tsjoklat> I can tell you the synaptic way if you like?
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: right click, burn to cd
[03:58] <desp> please, someone, tell me -- how do I create a .gtkrc file that takes effect in gedit?
[03:59] <bob2> Hikaru79: right click. "write to cd"
[03:59] <Hikaru79> HrdwrBoB, I tried that
[03:59] <Hikaru79> But it actually BURNS the iso
[03:59] <bob2> desp: .gtkrc-2.0
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> er
[03:59] <Hikaru79> Like, I end up with a single ISO image
[03:59] <Hikaru79> File
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> that's what you said you wanted
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> er
[03:59] <desp> bob2: and then what, restart gdm?
[03:59] <Hikaru79> Not the actual contents of the iamge =/
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: I have personally used it
[03:59] <natea> HrdwrBoB, so the 'hfmount' cmd mounted your ipod with no probs?
[03:59] <bob2> desp: no
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> are you sure your image isn't containing an image
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> natea: tbh I'm not sure wtf it did
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> natea: it took no options
[03:59] <Hikaru79> It's the Ubuntu i386 installer... so yes, I'm sure :P
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> the error in dmesg said to umount/mount
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: what's the md5sum of the iso
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> computer: system configuration: synaptic: settings: repositories: put on ever Section line: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> close
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> hit reload
[04:00] <Hikaru79> Let me check, HrdwrBoB
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> search: filename
[04:01] <Tsjoklat> hope that helps.. command line person myself
[04:01] <Hikaru79> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[04:01] <huttan> anyone installed ati drivers on a default ubuntu kernel?
[04:01] <natea> HrdwrBoB, yeah i thought it was a bit strange that it took no args.
[04:01] <Tsjoklat> I went with the default huttan... works perfect
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: looks right
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Yup...
[04:02] <Pustulo> i have fglrx stuff running
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: so you right clicked on it
[04:02] <huttan> Tsjoklat, how did you install the drivers ?
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> and selected 'write to disc' ?
[04:02] <Hikaru79> And yet, here I have it... a CD with just a plain .iso file on it
[04:02] <huttan> Tsjoklat, i cant find my kernel-source
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Oooh
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Oops
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> hehe
[04:02] <Hikaru79> I moved it to the burn:// thing first =P
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Then I "write these files to CD"
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> hehe :)
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> ah well
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> blank CDs are cheap :)
[04:02] <Hikaru79> True
[04:03] <weasello> I'm handling it, thanks Tsjoklat :) I added the lines in sources.list and am now using synaptic to reload and browse! Now let's see if I find everything I'm looking for :)
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> ah you will :) it's like a candy store
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:03] <weasello> What's the difference between Uni/Multi verse?
[04:03] <desp> bob2: yes! I got it working. thanks for your reluctant help ;)
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> too much to choose from
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> huttan I never installed any ati drivers
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> weasello an ubu dev told me it is inbetween universe and main
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> don't ask, I have no clue what that is suppose to mean
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> multiverse is the 'nonus' stuff
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> like mplayer etc etc
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> huttan: I don't like chewed up kernels.. I build my own
[04:05] <huttan> Tsjoklat, i tried to make my own, it wouldnt boot on my sata disks
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> but the ati card worked out of the box.. before building my own kernel
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> ubu was very good with it
[04:06] <weasello> I've installed Apache into Ubu, but see no way to interface with it in Gnome :/ Is it strict command-line only?
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> did you build support in for the sata huttan?
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> I don't know anything about apache weasello sorry
[04:08] <hypa7ia> weasello: i think it's pretty much commandline and config files yeah
[04:09] <weasello> how about this... There's some config files I want to make shortcuts to on my desktop. How would I go about doing that?
[04:09] <weasello> That's user-friendly enough for me :)
[04:09] <hypa7ia> right-click on the desktop and add a launcher i think
[04:09] <schifo> guys
[04:09] <schifo> i tried searching for kernel-source in synaptic but i dont see 2.6.8
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> right click on your desktop and add launcher.. specify what sort... service etc.
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> This package provides the source code for the Linux kernel version 2.6.8.
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> it's in there schifo
[04:10] <booda> REGISTER itzmeagin
[04:10] <schifo> what is it called
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> do a search for kernel-source
[04:11] <schifo> i did
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> and it should pop up
[04:11] <schifo> i get a few
[04:11] <huttan> Tsjoklat, yeah
[04:11] <schifo> but not 2.6.8
[04:11] <huttan> Tsjoklat, but couldnt boot root fs
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> do you have universe enabled?
[04:11] <huttan> Tsjoklat, do you by any chance know where i can get the kernel-source for <IP_ADDRESS>-l-386 ?
[04:11] <schifo> not sure, pretty new to synaptic, please elaborate
[04:11] <booda> hello all I just installed ubuntu and would like to have my terminal and command line
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> tried kernel.org?
[04:12] <hypa7ia> booda: applications > system
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> schifo.. scroll up? I just launched weasello into synaptic land
[04:12] <britt_radiofree> i've heard there's some great acpi improvements in 2.9.1 ... would love to see that brought in from deb-unstable
[04:12] <schifo> not sure what that meant TSjoklat
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> both 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are in ubu list
[04:13] <hypa7ia> 2.9.1 what britt_radiofree ?
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> schifo I just explained to weasello how to enable universe
[04:13] <britt_radiofree> so ... imap broken in evo testing for anyone?
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> could you scroll back to read up schifo?
[04:13] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, ack 2.6.9 :)
[04:13] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: testing as in hoary?
[04:13] <Tsjoklat>  computer: system configuration: synaptic: settings: repositories: put on ever Section line: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> close
[04:13] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: it's in the pipes, otherwise, just grab a vanilla kernel off kernel.org
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> hit reload
[04:14] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, 2.6.9 (with mm patches i believe) is in deb unstable ... i didn't see it in ubuntu earlier today when i did a quick search
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> click status
[04:14] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, i'm too lazy to build my own ... i can wait
[04:14] <GnuHippy> I want x.org
[04:14] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: there's your answer then :-)
[04:15] <hypa7ia> i'm waiting for 2.6.10 actually
[04:15] <Tsjoklat> lol hypa :)
[04:15] <hypa7ia> so i know where you're coming from
[04:15] <Tsjoklat> <-- running 2.6.10
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> 2.6.10-rc1
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> you mean
[04:16] <weasello> so I made a launcher on my desktop that points to an apache config file, but when I double click on it it loads up the contents of the launcher file not the target of the launcher file :(
[04:16] <zenwhen> Im still using 2.6.9-rc3
[04:16] <britt_radiofree> also, is imap in evo testing broken for anyone else?
[04:16] <zenwhen> lol
[04:16] <GnuHippy> has anybody got w32codecs working on amd64?
[04:16] <Tsjoklat> yes Bob, thanks for pointing out the wee details
[04:17] <hypa7ia> HrdwrBoB: well, whatever gets built as a package... gonna eventually figure out how to do my own from vanilla tho
[04:17] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: evo from hoary?
[04:17] <hypa7ia> because i'm using it from warty with imap just fine
[04:18] <schifo> Tsjoklat, i did your procedure, but now im getting errors when i reload
[04:18] <schifo> ie. Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:18] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, from hoary
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> what kind of errorst schifo?
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> something like duplicate?
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> ah okay
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> open up synaptic
[04:19] <hypa7ia> schifo: put your warty cd in the drive
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> make sure you only got: four lines
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> below the cd one (that you can uncomment out if you wish)
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> deb + deb source for archive and deb + deb source for security
[04:20] <weasello> Oh never mind, I got the Launcher thing working. But the files it's opening are Read Only; how can I make them editable?
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> chown it
[04:20] <Pustulo> eeks...
[04:20] <schifo> nm, fixed
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> sorry schifo I forgot that part
[04:21] <Pustulo> shouldnt chown system files to plain user ownership
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> no not system files
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> but isn't he just trying to make 'user' files editable?
[04:21] <Pustulo> ah ok... not following very closely
[04:21] <weasello> chown: changing ownership of `apache2.conf': Operation not permitted
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> he's making shortcuts on his desktop
[04:22] <Pustulo> apache config looks system to me :)
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> yeah it is
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> wouldn't do that weasello
[04:22] <schifo> what does this universe thing do
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> it beams you up Scotty
[04:22] <weasello> why not? :)
[04:22] <schifo> impossible
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> it enables more packages schifo
[04:22] <Pustulo> sudo <editor> file
[04:22] <Pustulo> its better that way :)
[04:22] <robertj> How fine grained is X auto conf, can specific options be added for specific motherboard/video card cobos?
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> not fully supported
[04:22] <robertj> err combos
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> sudo nano filename
[04:23] <Pustulo> pfft nano
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> you are a vim man huh
[04:23] <weasello> Can I just do gedit instead of nano? I don't like that command line stuff
[04:23] <Pustulo> use ed you blouse
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> it's like gnome/kde .. either you are a vim person or a nano one
[04:23] <Pustulo> use whatever editor you like
[04:23] <weasello> and how do I put Sudo into the launcher on my desktop?
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> weasello: command line stuff is nix heheh
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> you mean?
[04:24] <Pustulo> typing wont kill you
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> might give you carpal tunnel at best
[04:24] <schifo> good job Tsjoklat
[04:24] <Pustulo> i'm a vi person from long ago
[04:24] <Hikaru79> I've got another computer that I want to use as a webserver, and I'm looking for a distribution for it. I've been liking Ubuntu on my desktop computer a LOT so far, so is it also a viable choice as a server distro?
[04:24] <schifo> Tsjoklat, have you ever patched an orinoco driver, etc?
[04:24] <Hikaru79> I know there's probably better alternatives
[04:24] <Hikaru79> But is it at least plausible?
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> gksudo filename blah blah weasello
[04:25] <hypa7ia> Hikaru79: plausible, yes, i don't see why not
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> see Pustulo :P I knew it
[04:25] <weasello> I'll be opening these config files about 200 times in the next four days, I want to open them really easily and quickly in a resizable window; not command line.
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> a what driver schifo?
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> if you want to sudo them add gksudo in the launcher
[04:25] <weasello> where do I add it?
[04:26] <hypa7ia> at the start weasello
[04:26] <weasello> start of what?
[04:26] <schifo> Tsjoklat, sorry to say but i still can't see 2.6.8, i have only 4 repositories enabled, deb + src, and deb + src security, and the sections to all 4 are: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:26] <weasello> under the advanced tab?
[04:26] <hypa7ia> i think so weasello
[04:28] <mdz> schifo: what are you looking for?
[04:28] <hypa7ia> hmm, schifo, i think that there isn't a kernel-source-2.6.8 pkg yet
[04:28] <mdz> Hikaru79: Ubuntu is absolutely a solid server platform
[04:28] <hypa7ia> i only have up to 2.6.7 in mine
[04:28] <weasello> ok, added gksudo, now it asks for a password. I type it and it said "failed opening file as root: child terminated with status 1"
[04:28] <mdz> hypa7ia, schifo: if you're looking for the kernel sources, they're in linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:29] <schifo> ?
[04:29] <hypa7ia> thanks mdz
[04:29] <hypa7ia> schifo: look for that
[04:29] <mdz> and it's in main; you don't need to change anything from the default in sources.list to find it
[04:30] <schifo> Tsjoklat, sorry to say but i still can't see 2.6.8, i have only 4 repositories enabled, deb + src, and deb + src security, and the sections to all 4 are: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:30] <mdz> schifo: <mdz> hypa7ia, schifo: if you're looking for the kernel sources, they're in linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:30] <mdz> schifo: <mdz> and it's in main; you don't need to change anything from the default in sources.list to find it
[04:31] <weasello> Is there any sort of repository for installing software on Ubuntu somewhere? Everywhere I look it says "download this and compile that" and it doesn't seem like wonderful ol' windows :(
[04:32] <Pustulo> s/wonderful/evil/g
[04:32] <GnuHippy> has anybody go the w32codecs working with amd64???
[04:32] <GnuHippy> got*
[04:32] <hypa7ia> weasello: you can either get packages with synaptics, or you can download sources and compile them, that's about it
[04:32] <weasello> ok hypa
[04:32] <ben> hi
[04:32] <hypa7ia> GnuHippy: not since 10 minutes ago i'd guess.  maybe post a bug or something
[04:33] <eskiled> hello
[04:33] <hypa7ia> weasello: packages are the equivalent of an installer in windoze.  but better.  source is the equiv too, but kinda worse :-)
[04:33] <eskiled> has anyone here ordered the ubuntu CD from www.ubuntu.org???
[04:33] <hypa7ia> eskiled: check the topic
[04:34] <mdz> weasello: a repository of several thousand trivially installable packages is available for Ubuntu, among the most for any operating system.  I'm surprised you got the impression that you had to compile anything
[04:34] <eskiled> hypa7ia: which part
[04:34] <GnuHippy> its not really a bug
[04:35] <mdz> hypa7ia, GnuHippy: please don't file bugs about software that isn't provided with Ubuntu
[04:35] <GnuHippy> I wont
[04:35] <weasello> mdz: I'm searching the net for software, coming across websites... not looking in the repository itself
[04:35] <eskiled> hypia7ia: i am wondering if anyone has gotten spam mail i have NOT ordered one yet
[04:35] <nevyn> eskiled: yep..
[04:35] <mdz> weasello: Ubuntu provides one of the largest collections of software in one place
[04:35] <schifo> guys, when is the next version of ubuntu coming out
[04:35] <stuNNed> weasello, you can also add *unsupported* 'universe' and 'multiverse' to your ubuntu repo's, afaik
[04:35] <mdz> schifo: April
[04:36] <weasello> mdz: but not easily accessible upon installation of Ubuntu; you have to do crazy things to sources.list that noone could ever figure out on their own
[04:36] <ben913> wee, the original doom is fun
[04:36] <eskiled> nevyn: you got spammed???
[04:36] <nevyn> eskiled: no I ordered CD's
[04:36] <eskiled> lol
[04:36] <mdz> eskiled: we absolutely do not use those email addresses for any purpose other than contacting you about your CD order, as explained at the very top of the page
[04:36] <eskiled> damnit
[04:37] <schifo> mdz, april is too far away
[04:37] <nevyn> eskiled: I'd be having major words to the ubuntu dev's I know if I got spammed.
[04:37] <eskiled> no i mean spamming my address mdz
[04:37] <eskiled> like my house llo
[04:37] <nevyn> either with email or snailmail
[04:37] <Xenguy> Is there still time to order the CD's BTW?
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> way to be paranoid
[04:37] <mdz> eskiled: the same applies
[04:37] <nevyn> Xenguy: I don't think they've been shipped yet.
[04:37] <eskiled> my parents wwould flip if we got spam mail because of somehting free i ordered
[04:37] <eskiled> okay thankyou mdz
[04:38] <eskiled> im out'
[04:38] <mdz> Xenguy: the first batch is already en route, but there will be a second
[04:38] <Xenguy> nevyn: guess that's a 'yes' :-)
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> < eskiled> my parents wwould flip if we got spam mail because of
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB>                  somehting free i ordered
[04:38] <Xenguy> mdz: OK, excellent
[04:38] <nevyn> mdz: do you know what the total # of CD's was?
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> .. OMG A K-mart catalog
[04:38] <nevyn> mdz: I'm just curious..
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> sheltered life
[04:38] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: I think you're being harsh.
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> he was talking about real world spam
[04:39] <nevyn> I know he was.
[04:39] <mdz> nevyn: more than 100,000, less than 1,000,000 :-)
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> if his parents would 'flip' if they received a catalogue or somesuch other thing in the mail because of him, perhaps they need chill out
[04:39] <nevyn> it's a valid concern if you can't physically beatup a ubuntu dev
[04:39] <nevyn> :)
[04:40] <schifo> guys, after synaptic finished getting linux-source, where does it normally put the source?
[04:40] <mdz> schifo: /usr/src
[04:40] <Pustulo> schifo: its under your chair
[04:40] <ben913> where would synaptic put the doom game?
[04:40] <schifo> Pustulo, thanks
[04:40] <schifo> mdz, thanks
[04:41] <hypa7ia> mdz: more than 100,000?  that's awesome :-)
[04:41] <nevyn> that is neat for an initial release.
[04:42] <nevyn> lightweight ;)
[04:42] <nuOpus> hello
[04:42] <nuOpus> hey does anyone need a gmail?
[04:42] <nuOpus> I am trying to get rid of my one single invite
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:42] <Xenguy> nuOpus: no one *needs* a gmail ;-)
[04:42] <nevyn> nuOpus: why do you want to get rid of it?
[04:42] <nuOpus> oh okay ... gmail account
[04:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: we've got lots coming in to the linuxcaffe tho :-)
[04:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: www.linuxcaffe.ca
[04:43] <nuOpus> cuz that invite friends bold thing is starting to annoy me
[04:43] <nuOpus> lol
[04:44] <hypa7ia> nuOpus: invite some random hotmail user :-)
[04:44] <nuOpus> hey there is an idea! it gets thrown in trash anyway
[04:45] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[04:45] <schifo> guys, linux-source is in .tar.bz2 format, how am i supposed to uncompress that
[04:45] <nuOpus> Anyway .. anyone try the Hoary repo yet?
[04:45] <nuOpus> errr Hoary distribution
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> schifo: tar xvfj foo.tar.bz2
[04:45] <schifo> thanks bob
[04:46] <nuOpus> works very will I just wanted to report
[04:46] <mdz> schifo: what is your goal?
[04:47] <schifo> mdz, my goal is the following: http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml
[04:47] <schifo> pardon, i meant: http://www.kismetwireless.net/HOWTO-26_Orinoco_Rfmon.txt
[04:47] <mdz> schifo: ok, you don't need the kernel source at all for that
[04:47] <mdz> you only need to build one module
[04:48] <schifo> man
[04:48] <schifo> i dont know what to do anymore
[04:48] <schifo> how am i supposed to patch the driver then?
[04:49] <mdz> you can download a tarball with the complete driver in it, build it, and use it, without patching anything
[04:49] <schifo> what do you mean, where can i find this
[04:50] <nevyn> hypa7ia: drupal?
[04:50] <schifo> im patching because i need to set my wireless card to monitor mode
[04:50] <schifo> when i do iwpriv eth1, monitor mode isnt listed
[04:51] <hypa7ia> nevyn: nope, tikiwiki
[04:51] <paulproteus> Tikiwiki is so ugly.  Otherwise I'd consider using it places.
[04:52] <shank_> moinmoin is nice
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> tikiwiki?
[04:52] <hypa7ia> paulproteus: depends on what you do with it.  my friend jason is the master:  www.penguindays.ca
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> sorry whomever was talking to me.. had a cat emergency
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> barfing all over the joint
[04:52] <hypa7ia> erk!  www.penguinday.ca
[04:53] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster :)
[04:53] <Tsjoklat> I feel like the greeting person at Wallmart
[04:54] <TongMaster> heh
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> do they sell walls?
[04:54] <Tsjoklat> hey hey
[04:54] <Tsjoklat> I only say hi and bye Bob :P
[04:54] <TongMaster> Do we get complimentary mints?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> I got brochures?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> stickers?
[04:55] <shank_> Tsjoklat, i thought you had to be crippled in some way to be the wal-mart greater
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> who says I aren't shank :P
[04:55] <shank_> Tsjoklat, ok, then
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> lol
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> ewww
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> no no I am colourdeaf
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> no blue
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> brown :)
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> ubu brown
[04:56] <shank_> i think organce would be better
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> man I do sound retarded
[04:56] <shank_> and you can wear a siren on your head
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> now don't make a mocking case out of me shank
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> I greet but I am not here to be pissed on :)
[04:57] <TongMaster> what good are you then?
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> dunno TM
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> so much for gratitude
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> hypa you can be the greeter from now on
[04:58] <TongMaster> hey, a man's got to pee.
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> not on me you will
[04:59] <TongMaster> parse error
[05:01] <hypa7ia> noooooo
[05:01] <hypa7ia> i will not be the greeter :-p
[05:02] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen has to be it then :P
[05:02] <Pustulo> hey.. someone from houston
[05:02] <Pustulo> i'll be there in 3.5wks!
[05:02] <zugwrack> Greetings...
[05:02] <zugwrack> Where you at now?
[05:02] <Tsjoklat> or we could always appoint Pustulo
[05:02] <schifo> guys, how can i 'configure my kernel with the configurator of my choice' ?
[05:02] <schifo> Tsjoklat, perhaps you would know
[05:02] <Pustulo> its not that i like houston, its just that I wont be here at work
[05:02] <Pustulo> i'm in sydney, aus
[05:02] <zugwrack> Ahhh...
[05:03] <zugwrack> Been very nice weather here last couple days..
[05:03] <Pustulo> sis-in-law wedding
[05:03] <schifo> basically, make menuconfig if i recall, but which dir do i have to be in
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> schifo?
[05:03] <Pustulo> well here, the nice days outnumber the yucky ones, not like houston :)
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> for building kernel?
[05:03] <schifo> correct
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> /usr/src
[05:04] <schifo> /linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>, you mean
[05:04] <zugwrack> Ok so like this distro is way kewl for PPC(mac)...but uhhh...I am lost with anything resembling debian.... is there a smp kernel that I can get with dpkg?
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> no it should be linked to that
[05:04] <chz> can anybody help...im in big trouble!
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> cd /usr/scr
[05:04] <chz> for sum reason..i cannot log into my systme...i keep getting this error...
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> src
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> sorry
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> gawd
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> cd /usr/src
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> ls -l
[05:05] <Pustulo> zug, is marvin zindler dead yet?
[05:05] <schifo> k
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> should point at the kernel you want
[05:05] <zugwrack> Nope..still kickin...(although barely) heh
[05:05] <schifo> correct Tsjoklat, thanks again
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> yw schifo
[05:06] <chz> ** (gnome-session:3852): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/chz/.ICEauthority
[05:06] <zenwhen> did i miss out on greeter duty
[05:06] <zugwrack> Ok gotta bail for now...will be back...
[05:06] <chz> hey...marvin zindler..u folks from houston...?
[05:06] <Tsjoklat> no zenwhen.. you got the job
[05:06] <Pustulo> zug is
[05:06] <zenwhen> chz
[05:06] <Tsjoklat> hypa suggested you for the job
[05:06] <Tsjoklat> great honour
[05:06] <Pustulo> i've visited there about 8 times
[05:06] <zenwhen> sudo chmod 777 .ICEauthority
[05:06] <zugwrack> Cypress actually..but that is still west Houston...
[05:06] <zenwhen> or 775
[05:07] <chz> ok...i'll try that...be back in a couple mins...
[05:07] <zenwhen> It will work. Cya.
[05:07] <shank_> hi zenwhen
[05:07] <zenwhen> I used to have thta happen a lot when I was crashing my box testing new kernels all the time.
[05:07] <zenwhen> that*
[05:07] <Tsjoklat> you are suppose to say hi zenwhen
[05:07] <zenwhen> Hat shank_
[05:07] <zenwhen> hay*
[05:07] <zenwhen> lolz
[05:08] <shank_> hehe
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[05:08] <shank_> zenwhen, your crippled too i see
[05:08] <zenwhen> hi meatwad
[05:08] <zenwhen> ;-;
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> after two hours you may appoint somebody else :)
[05:08] <zenwhen> this turd brown theme is growing on me
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> or whenever you feel like caving in I suppose
[05:08] <shank_> i like the spinning wheel
[05:08] <shank_> that's kinda nift
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> I love brown
[05:09] <shank_> especially the fetus one
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> so glad they didn't go with blue
[05:09] <chz> awesome it worked..!!
[05:09] <zenwhen> me too
[05:09] <zenwhen> Im really sick of blue
[05:09] <chz> thanks zen..
[05:09] <zenwhen> chz, awesome
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen.. you are forgetting something
[05:09] <zenwhen> no problem
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[05:09] <zenwhen> D:
[05:09] <chz> would u happen  to know why that problem occured in the first place..?
[05:09] <Pustulo> hey.. ive been to Auston once too
[05:09] <Pustulo> austin that is
[05:10] <zenwhen> chz, did you have a lock up or crash?
[05:10] <tmartin> how can i open up my machine to scp?
[05:10] <tmartin> for ssh
[05:10] <schifo> k, just finished with menuconfig, all i have to do now is make modules; make modules_install; correct?
[05:10] <zenwhen> Somtimes when exiting gnome, your ICEauth gets locked
[05:10] <chz> no..just restarted...
[05:10] <zenwhen> its a bug that has been around for quite some time
[05:10] <chz> oo...i c...
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> are you using fakeroot schifo?
[05:10] <schifo> not sure what that means Tsjoklat
[05:11] <schifo> im in real root
[05:11] <chz> good to know...
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> oh no
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> pm me schifo
[05:11] <zenwhen> the little drumbeat is getting to me
[05:11] <zenwhen> ;-;
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> I'll teach you how to build deb kernels
[05:11] <chz> what part of houston are u from zen...i used to live in bellair..
[05:11] <schifo> k
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> that way you can dpkg -i and so forth
[05:11] <zenwhen> Im not from houston.
[05:11] <zenwhen> What gave you that idea?
[05:11] <shank_> is there a deb with more wallpapers?
[05:12] <chz> oo...somebody was from houston..
[05:12] <zenwhen> Im in buttfuck kentucky.
[05:12] <Pustulo> hey, ive been there too!
[05:12] <meatwad> is there a way to map key bindings w/ gnome? (haven't used gnome since 1.2)
[05:12] <TongMaster> croweded this time of year.
[05:12] <shank_> zenwhen, its better than being in cleveland
[05:12] <zenwhen> Im not sure.
[05:12] <Pustulo> zug was from houston, nnot zen
[05:12] <chz> oo...zug...
[05:12] <chz> thats rite..
[05:12] <shank_> all the z* looks the same
[05:12] <Pustulo> i'm heading there in 3.5wks
[05:13] <zenwhen> racist
[05:13] <stuNNed> meatwad, gnome-keybinding-properties ?
[05:13] <zenwhen> ;-;
[05:13] <Tsjoklat> we got a greeter with an attitude :)
[05:14] <shank_> zenwhen, your not gonna be employee of the month
[05:14] <nevyn> meatwad: HSF!!!
[05:16] <Tsjoklat> ok for who wants to build a deb kernel package: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG
[05:17] <stuNNed> Tsjoklat, thanks!
[05:17] <chz> well i appreciate the help again...i shall log back in when i got time...gotta project due in the morning for assembly class...(blech)
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> wellcome stunned
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> I love the way you are able to build kernels with deb
[05:17] <Rene_S> Hmm Xchat theme got changed ...
[05:19] <Rene_S> So quiet in here
[05:20] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen went on lunch break
[05:20] <zenwhen> hehe
[05:20] <Rene_S> hehem did he take the whole channel with him ?
[05:21] <zenwhen> trying to get gftp set up
[05:21] <Rene_S> I had to downgrade my Evolution, seems the one on Hoary don't like me sending emails out
[05:22] <tmartin> how do i remove a file that starts with "-l"
[05:22] <tmartin> i tried rm "-l.core000.80513" but rm sees -l as an option
[05:22] <Pustulo> rm -- -l
[05:22] <Rene_S> rm -f -l*.* would be my guess
[05:22] <tmartin> thx !
[05:23] <Rene_S> ahh double --
[05:23] <Pustulo> or rm ./-l
[05:23] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/ubuntu-media.png
[05:23] <zenwhen> oops
[05:23] <Rene_S> neto another trick to add to my list of usefull commands
[05:24] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: ooh cool
[05:24] <meatwad> thanks to stuNNed who pointed me to gnome-keybinding-properties to create some keybindings but are there additional actions possible that aren't listed in there?
[05:24] <tseng> :q
[05:24] <tseng> er
[05:24] <Xenguy> vgedris: greetings :-)
[05:25] <zenwhen> Yeah, that stuff at the top of that is mpd at work.
[05:25] <Xenguy> vgedris: have you tried ubuntu yet?
[05:25] <meatwad> (I've got to have my Toggle Maximise Window Vertically :)
[05:25] <Rene_S> Whats really cool is my name in the Xchat
[05:25] <DAC1138> why wont ubuntu let me login as root?
[05:25] <vgedris> Xenguy: Not yet, but considering it for my next desktop box that will be replacing the current one (running Debian)
[05:25] <Rene_S> I love being immortalized in screenshots
[05:26] <vgedris> Just need to find the time to properly build that machine up...
[05:26] <DAC1138> whats the default ubuntu root password?
[05:26] <Xenguy> vgedris: I'm definitely interested in giving warty a spin (tried last night, but I think I have a bum CD, so I'll have to re-burn I guess)
[05:27] <Rene_S> I made a bum cd my first time trying warty, once i got it fixed i never looked back
[05:27] <vgedris> I want to do a bit of reading up on it before I commit to installing.   That's why I came in here to lurk. :)
[05:27] <Rene_S> Even beat out my Yoper install and I swore by that
[05:28] <DAC1138> root password? can u even login as root in ubuntu?
[05:28] <zenwhen> yes
[05:28] <zenwhen> sudo passwd root
[05:28] <zenwhen> you can set a root password and use it as normal
[05:28] <Xenguy> vgedris: seems to be basically sid snapshots from what I can tell (lurking is a good idea though; part of the reason I'm here :-)
[05:28] <hypa7ia> we need a bot inhere to serve that message :-)
[05:28] <DAC1138> thanks
[05:28] <zenwhen> lol
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> but you should NOT NEED TO
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> argh
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> you CAN
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> but you don't need to
[05:28] <Rene_S> Anyone here tried the Muine Music Player ?
[05:29] <zenwhen> Rene_S, yes... its very album centric.
[05:29] <stuNNed> DAC1138, default is set to use `sudo` and not even have a root account.
[05:29] <zenwhen> If you dont have tons of albums dont bother.
[05:29] <Rene_S> Yeah, i noticed that.
[05:29] <zenwhen> I couldnt stand not having a true root account. Im not big on change.
[05:29] <DAC1138> got it. now how to i use apt-get? like update the repositories and such?
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: it's still root
[05:30] <Rene_S> Hehe, i ended up making a root account too
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: sudo -s gives you a shell
[05:30] <zenwhen> HrdwrBoB, I am aware of that.
[05:30] <Rene_S> old habits die hard
[05:30] <Pustulo> zen: thats why I stills tart my editor as 'vi' not 'vim'
[05:30] <zenwhen> hehe
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> I'm a fulltime linux admin and my desktop box has no root
[05:30] <nevyn> DAC1138: You shouldn't do it.
[05:30] <zenwhen> Good
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> the next servers I implement will have no root
[05:30] <zenwhen> Im not saying YOU should change.
[05:30] <zenwhen> Im saying I am unwilling to change my habits.
[05:30] <zenwhen> lol
[05:30] <DAC1138> nevyn, then how do i install programs?
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> those that can't change will perish :p
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo apt-get install foo
[05:31] <Pustulo> hrm.. i wonder how much stuff would break if you changed the name of the root user
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: or just run synaptic from the menu
[05:31] <Pustulo> the username that is
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it will ask you for YOUR password
[05:31] <zenwhen> Those who cant chnage will fuction just fine as no other distro disables root.
[05:31] <zenwhen> change*
[05:31] <nevyn> zenwhen: it's part of being secure by default.
[05:31] <mdz> tmartin: rm -- <filename>
[05:31] <nevyn> zenwhen: there's no need for root to be able to login.
[05:31] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, no synaptic in the gnome menu
[05:31] <zenwhen> Good passwords are secure by default.
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: why do you need root?
[05:32] <zenwhen> Why do I not need root?
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it is in computer-> system configuration
[05:32] <zenwhen> lol
[05:32] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, og, computer tab. im used to the older gnome
[05:32] <nevyn> zenwhen: why do you need it?
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: as a user, I don't care about 'root'
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> I just want to use my computer
[05:32] <mdz> heh, I was scrolled back a couple of pages and didn't realize it
[05:32] <zenwhen> Good god.
[05:32] <zenwhen> get off it.
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> lol
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> 'why are you all so quiet'
[05:32] <zenwhen> I prefer to have it.
[05:33] <zenwhen> Why the hell do you care?
[05:33] <zenwhen> lol
[05:33] <Pustulo> Bob, if you're not using your root account, give it to me.. I'd hate to see it go to waste
[05:33] <DAC1138> why cant i just use apt-get?
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: you can
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install package
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> put in your password
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> *shazam*
[05:34] <Pustulo> dont you need two matching rings for shazam?
[05:34] <Pustulo> am i confusing my cartoons?
[05:34] <stuNNed> DAC1138, `sudo -s` for root shell
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo runs commands as root, but asks for YOUR password
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it's also logged what you do
[05:35] <Xenguy> Is it possible to create a 'root' user, with all the 'god-like powers' if one wants to?
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> and it's a lot harder to mess things up accidentally
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: it's there, it's just disabled
[05:35] <DAC1138> no, apt-get needs to update the repositories, like in other debian distros, nothings working
[05:35] <zenwhen> Compitancy is the best prevention.
[05:35] <DAC1138> so far, im sorry guys, but i have to say ubuntu sux (so far)
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <Xenguy> HrdwrBoB: ahh, so best of both worlds - if someone wants it, they can just activate it
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> enable universe
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: exactly
[05:36] <stuNNed> Xenguy, `sudo -s` then `passwd` afaik
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> Ruffian: you got a customer.. DAC is dissing ubu
[05:36] <nevyn> yep.. and competency means not logging onto the machine as the administrator.
[05:36] <nevyn> this is true of linux and unix and even windows.
[05:36] <zenwhen> Um
[05:36] <zenwhen> Who said I logged into it?
[05:36] <HrdwrBoB>  windows is somewhat harder though as there's lots of broken user programs
[05:36] <Xenguy> nevyn: not sure what you mean by that
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: what exactly are you trying to do
[05:37] <nevyn> zenwhen: why does it need a password then sudo can achieve everything that su can and logs it.
[05:37] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, not really dissing it, im just saying its not the best distro. its too hard to use to be aimed at new linux users
[05:37] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, tyring to get k3b working so when i download a new linux iso i can install it
[05:37] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, or apt get really to download k3b
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> too hard?!?!
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: if you have an iso, you can simply right click it
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> and select 'write to disc'
[05:38] <zenwhen> nevyn, Im not continuing this conversation.
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> DAC... what other distros have you tried?
[05:38] <nevyn> ok.
[05:38] <nevyn> Xenguy: what's unclear?
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen may be the greeter but he has limits :)
[05:38] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, mepis, suse, mandrake, debian, slackware, ubuntu, fedora core 2 and 3, user_linux, knoppix
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> and you really think ubu is hard?
[05:39] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, a few more, but i cant remember them off the top of my head.
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> only because of sudo?
[05:39] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, yeah, even compared to slackware
[05:39] <uhuru> meh
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> slackware is the pits no offense
[05:39] <zenwhen> I dont think Ubuntu is hard at all.
[05:39] <zenwhen> Compared to SLACKWARE?
[05:39] <zenwhen> I just moved from slackware.
[05:39] <nevyn> DAC1138: it is different to someone used to administering linux|unix systems.
[05:39] <DAC1138> yeah, slackware is hard, and kinda stupid, but i know ubuntu can be better, but so far, it isnt
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> anyone that likes to refer them selves as slackwhores and their computers as pimpboxes should have their heads checked
[05:40] <zenwhen> Running ubuntu is like getting a blowjobs and getting paid for it compared to running Slack.
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: so, what's the problem
[05:40] <zenwhen> job*
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> slackware hard.. lol it only updates once a year... haha
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: if you run 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:40] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, right now its downloading packages as easily as "apt-get install k3b"
[05:40] <zenwhen> Slackware isnt hard either.
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> and enable universe
[05:40] <Pustulo> pfft.. you think that's hard? i remember installing "MCC" from a dozen floppies on my 386
[05:40] <Pustulo> that was hard
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> or if you run synaptic
[05:40] <nevyn> debian stable only updates once every 2 or 3 years..
[05:40] <zenwhen> But Ubuntu is most assuredly more ser friendly.
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> you can trivially enable it
[05:40] <DAC1138> yeah, and its this whole sudo crap, im not used to it and ive been using linux for 3 years now
[05:41] <uhuru> lol
[05:41] <nevyn> DAC1138: sudo is a good thing really.
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> not being  used to sudo crap as you call it DAC doesn't make ubu hard
[05:41] <uhuru> it's just sudo.
[05:41] <Xenguy> nevyn: the meaning of your previous statement is unclear to me -- but nm at this point, as I must get a couple of things done for work at this point ;-)
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it's not magic
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> sudo makes sense, you should use it period
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> simple prefix stuff you want done as root with sudo
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> no matter what distro
[05:41] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, its not easy either. then what after i open vi?
[05:41] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: you know you can always just right-click on an iso to burn it to disk in nautilus, right?
[05:41] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, not really, ive been using kde all this time
[05:41] <nevyn> Xenguy: competent systems administrators do not logon to systems as the superuser.. (particularly for gui sessions)
[05:42] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, ive uncommented those lines, now what?
[05:42] <Pustulo> I can't relate to new users.. I've been playing linux far too long I think
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: save
[05:42] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: well, you can.
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: quit
[05:42] <uhuru> so now you say you don't like gnome?
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> then run apt-get update
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> DAC: add behind main: main restricted universe multiverse
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> seriously, if you want to do it on the command line
[05:42] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: sudo apt-get update
[05:42] <Xenguy> nevyn: ahh, yes, of course -- I missed yer meaning the 1st time around
[05:42] <hypa7ia> Pustulo: doesn't help when the noobs have attitude, either
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> make it so it looks like: main restricted universe multiverse
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> and refuse to use the (easy to use) graphical tools
[05:42] <DAC1138> uhuru, well, its not the old gnome i was used to back when mdk 9.1 came out
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> for archives and security
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> then you are making it hard for YOURSELF
[05:42] <DAC1138> uhuru, and i never said i dont like gnome, i dont know where you guys get off thinking i said this
[05:42] <uhuru> then install that one dac.
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> and it isn't infact any reflection on the system at all
[05:43] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, yeah, uncommenting those lines doesnt change anything
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> DAC
[05:43] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, aptget still doesnt work
[05:43] <uhuru> it's your box - you tell it what to do
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> DAC
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> DAC
[05:43] <Pustulo> hyp: its not a matter of attitude, I just can't get my head around how ppl can hope to get this stuff easily.. it took me a lot of messing around
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> did you read what I wrote?!?!
[05:43] <Pustulo> hyp: ppl should expect a learning curve
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo apt-get update
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: run that
[05:43] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, got it
[05:43] <hypa7ia> Pustulo: agreed.  i'm still on it, that's fershure
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> fine DAC rather ignores me
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> then sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:44] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, finally im getting somewhere. not if i can get this xserver installed, ill be set and ubuntu will be ok
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> xserver?
[05:44] <Pustulo> hyp: well I only know what I use, im no guru
[05:44] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, o, what? brb, let me scroll up. sorry
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> make it so the line reads: main restricted universe multiverse ... for archives and security
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> that way you will have access to everything ubu has to offer
[05:45] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, yeah, i read that, ok, brb
[05:45] <hypa7ia> Pustulo: nor am i by any means :-/
[05:45] <DAC1138> holy cow, 75MB of download to get k3b working, lol
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: that's because k3b is kde
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> you need all the kde librariew
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> yeah you need kdelibs
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> and qt
[05:45] <DAC1138> yeah, and it needs all thos ekde libraries and such
[05:45] <nevyn> and kde isn't in the shiptarket.
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: as I said, if all you want to do is burn an iso, right click it and select write to tisk
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> disk
[05:46] <nevyn> s/tarket/target/
[05:46] <DAC1138> yeah, but i'd also like to burn other files, and i just stopped k3d because i know theres a better way in gnome :-)
[05:46] <meatwad> other than the limited options listed in 'gnome-keybinding-properties', is there a way to create custom keyboard shortcuts?
[05:47] <zenwhen> I still need k3b for Video DVD's.
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> nautilus burner is pretty good isn't
[05:47] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: the other way to do it:  insert a cd.  a window will open.  put files in it.  File->write
[05:47] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: i've been happy with it so far
[05:47] <DAC1138> can i specify the write speed?
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: yeah, nautilus is not good for !file !iso stuff
[05:47] <DAC1138> i need it to write at a slow speed due to some problem with my drive. its dirty or something
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> and there's no gnome equiv
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> which sucks
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: yes you can
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> I've burned a few things with it and got no complaints myself hypa
[05:48] <zenwhen> HrdwrBoB, If I had a gnome k3b clone, there would e nothing related to kde on my system.
[05:48] <zenwhen> be*
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: yeah that's the same for a lot of people
[05:49] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: in fact... windows will only burn at 8x on my drive, while naut burns at the full 24x
[05:50] <Tsjoklat> wow that is cool hypa
[05:50] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[05:50] <alka_trash> new nvidia drivers release from nvidia
[05:50] <hypa7ia> also weird
[05:50] <DAC1138> ok, so far ubuntu is a little better
[05:50] <Tsjoklat> as soon as I get an xbox winhole is history
[05:50] <DAC1138> for for the newbies, i think they should stick with what the other distros are doing, not with sudo and such.
[05:51] <zenwhen> what
[05:51] <zenwhen> how could oyu run linux and hate nvidia?
[05:51] <zenwhen> you*
[05:51] <alka_trash> really
[05:51] <Tsjoklat> they do sudo for the newbies DAC
[05:51] <jay_> is firefox 1.0rc2 available for ubuntu?
[05:51] <nevyn> I hate people who claim that nvidia's binary drivers are good for linux more tho ;)
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: easily
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> I run nvidia cards
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> because they work
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> I don't really like them
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> but that's the reality
[05:52] <zenwhen> Oh
[05:52] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: the sudo thing is the Right Thing to do.  especially once it's explained to people
[05:52] <zenwhen> Well they work well.
[05:52] <zenwhen> And Are the only suitable drivers if one wants to play games in linux.
[05:53] <alka_trash> I agree with zenwhen
[05:53] <nevyn> unless you have a SMP system or some m/b chipset they like or do X development or kernel development or....
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> wb TM
[05:53] <zenwhen> Perhaps they arent the best solution possible, but they are ht ebest solution availabale.
[05:53] <zenwhen> Would I pefer awesome open source drivers? YES. Are they going to happen? no.
[05:53] <nevyn> hypa7ia: yay.
[05:54] <nevyn> hypa7ia: with ati cards your worst case is equivilent to a nvidia card. and your best case is much much better.
[05:54] <alka_trash> with all this talk about nvidia, I was going to build the latest do I need to copy the modules to sbin or something like that
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: not in terms of functionality
[05:55] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, what is sudo exactly?
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo runs a command as root.
[05:55] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, and if its so good, why dont other popular distros tech it?
[05:55] <TongMaster> fancing meeting you here, nevyn :)
[05:55] <nevyn> DAC1138: most install it in base.
[05:55] <zenwhen> nevyn, are you joking?
[05:55] <nevyn> TongMaster: you just noticed I'm here?
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> 15:41 < HrdwrBoB> simple prefix stuff you want done as root with sudo
[05:55] <TongMaster> it's a long l;ist, nevyn :)
[05:55] <zenwhen> are you seriously saying that ati's linux driver support is even near Nvidia's?
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> 15:35 < HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo runs commands as root, but asks for YOUR
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB>                   password
[05:56] <nevyn> zenwhen: if your card is <r200 the Free drivers are in Xfree864.3
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: please, read what I write
[05:56] <nevyn> that's best case. and if you're running binary drivers you're fucked anyway you cut it.
[05:56] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, i try, but its hard at 800x600
[05:57] <zenwhen> fucked?
[05:57] <zenwhen> nevyn, how so?
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: worst case nvidia=  you use the free driver (which is crap) and it works slowly and badly
[05:57] <nevyn> yep. you're beholden to the manufacturer for making your hardware you bought work.
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> best case= you use the binary only drivers and it works fast, with the best 3d you can get currently in linux
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: omg, just like.. forever
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> that's their job.
[05:58] <hypa7ia> i am confused
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not saying I support binary only drivers
[05:58] <nevyn> and you don't get support for any drivers for anything.
[05:58] <hypa7ia> which has better Free drivers?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> but the point is from a PRAGMATIC view
[05:58] <nevyn> ati.
[05:58] <zenwhen> nevyn, Your elistist attitude doent give me any more performance in UT2K4. Sorry.
[05:58] <zenwhen> elititst*
[05:58] <mdz> hypa7ia: ati has superior free drivers
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nvidia has better performance and support unde rlinux for games
[05:58] <nevyn> it's not elitist it's practical.
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: this is also practical
[05:58] <zenwhen> screw it*
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> ati's free drivers are far superior
[05:58] <zenwhen> Its not practical.
[05:58] <jdub> mdz: hrm, that's not what our X team says. :-)
[05:58] <nevyn> if you want to participate in the linux community. free drivers are essential.
[05:59] <hypa7ia> but the Free ati drivers are 2d-only, right?
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> and if you want free drivers, buy an ati card
[05:59] <nevyn> hypa7ia: nope.
[05:59] <hypa7ia> really?  hmm
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: no that's bullshit/
[05:59] <hypa7ia> oh man,
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> I particpate in the 'linux community'
[05:59] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: PARTICIPATE... that means write software ...
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> there's many ways to participate without developing the kernel
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> no it doesn't
[05:59] <mdz> jdub: are you sure about that?
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say
[05:59] <zenwhen> nevyn, show me a free driver that cna get respectable framerates in UT2K4.
[06:00] <jdub> mdz: relatively, yeah. daniel is always harping on about how broken they are.
[06:00] <jdub> mdz: supposedly, something is changing in the near future.
[06:00] <hypa7ia> that's how i nuked the ubuntu install on the other computer i was working on today.  i tried to install fglrx, but the Free drivers were working fine.  argh!
[06:00] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: if you want to participate in the LINUX community not the ubantu community or the debian community.. you must be running free drivers.
[06:00] <nevyn> must.
[06:00] <nevyn> otherwise your bug reports are /dev/null3d
[06:01] <DAC1138> brb, need to test this xserver, thanks for the help
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> because ubuntu is not a subset of the linux community>
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[06:01] <nevyn> no. it's a superset.
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> well damn
[06:01] <nevyn> the linux community would be people who participate in the development of the kernel.
[06:01] <nevyn> including bugreporting documenting writing code etc.
[06:01] <zenwhen> nevyn, wheres the decent open source drivers?
[06:02] <DAC1138> uh, one thig, how do i see the desktop icons?
[06:02] <DAC1138> and how do i empty the wastebasket?
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: right click
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> and there is no desktop icons
[06:03] <mdz> jdub: he rants about both of them; the nv driver is *so* worse
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> you can put some there if you want
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> the nv driver is almost entirely magic numbers
[06:03] <DAC1138> how do i empty the wastebasket?
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: right click on it.
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> select empty.
[06:03] <DAC1138> looks like i should just use fluxbox with the gnome-panel then
[06:04] <DAC1138> where is the wastebasket?
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> bottom, RHS
[06:04] <Rene_S> Hmm too much politics, free not free, gnome kde, gentoo or anything else.  Jeez all i care about is if it works or not
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> Rene_S: exactly.
[06:04] <DAC1138> man, gnomad has changed a LOT
[06:04] <DAC1138> what version is this?
[06:04] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: coming from mac os x, it's very mac like
[06:05] <TongMaster> 2.8, DAC1138
[06:05] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, yeah,  i want that, kinda, but ive never used mac os x hardcore
[06:05] <DAC1138> i mean ive used it here and there, but not for long periods of time
[06:05] <zenwhen> Bashing the nvidia binary drivers is bashing the only thing that makes Linux a viable platform for those who want ot aplay a game or two.
[06:05] <TongMaster> what, frozen bubble isn't good enough?
[06:06] <zenwhen> no
[06:06] <mdz> I think the video card manufacturer flam^Wdiscusson ended several minutes ago
[06:06] <zenwhen> No it isnt.
[06:06] <zenwhen> lol
[06:06] <Rene_S> Mac OSX = FreeBSD, then add Gnome and a nice theme and you got almost the same thing :)
[06:06] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: i was using it for 2 years.  but i wanted a laptop and all.
[06:06] <DAC1138> or, PearPC + macOSX and you have, mac osx, lol
[06:06] <crazney> nevyn: dude, you're just wrong
[06:06] <nevyn> some people don't care if linux is a "viable platform" some people actually do care about not being beholden to some "vendor"
[06:06] <zenwhen> Mac OSX = Darwin
[06:06] <DAC1138> im kinda liking ubuntu so far
[06:06] <DAC1138> except for that whole sudo thing, but ill get past that
[06:07] <hypa7ia> nevyn: did you see that thing about the open video card on slashdot a few weeks ago
[06:07] <nevyn> yeah.
[06:07] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: it's been mentioned how you can enable a root user.  kwitcherbitchin :-)
[06:07] <Rene_S> Don't get me wrong, I like the freedom of choice idea, however I dont get mixed up in the politics end of Linux.
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: and some people care about things working more so than not being reliant on a vendor
[06:07] <mdz> hypa7ia: why did your desire for a laptop preclude using MacOS?
[06:07] <zenwhen> nevyn, those people arent the future of linux.  Why would you want to chat about it or run it?
[06:08] <zenwhen> lol
[06:08] <mdz> hypa7ia: yeah, apple laptops hurt that way...but the same holds for their desktops
[06:09] <hypa7ia> not really for the imacs
[06:09] <jimmiejaz> I want a sparc lappy. :(
[06:09] <hypa7ia> i had a 17" flatpanel imac with a gig of ram
[06:09] <Rene_S> I think the Linux community is the broad standard, people who use, develop, compile, tinker, cry over and show off Linux are all part of the community
[06:09] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, what laptop do you have?
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> Rene_S: thankyou :)
[06:09] <hypa7ia> i have basically the laptop they reviewed on slashdot a couple of days ago
[06:09] <hypa7ia> it's an ASUS centrino book
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> the asus laptops are nice
[06:10] <hypa7ia> got it barebones, no windows tax!
[06:10] <hypa7ia> mwahahaha
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> oh, excellent
[06:10] <DAC1138> ah. im using a gateway m305
[06:10] <[lsd] > yeah asus are making some nice machines now
[06:10] <DAC1138> works great with linux except for the video card, which will only allow 800x600 in linux unless i use a commercial xserver which i have, and i need to get working
[06:11] <hypa7ia> it's a rockin laptop.  and /everything/ works.  just not out of the box :-(
[06:11] <hypa7ia> even the extra buttons!!! :-)
[06:12] <Rene_S> Last computer I seen work out off the box was a Commodore Pet
[06:12] <hypa7ia> heheh.  never used a mac, eh Rene_S?
[06:12] <jimmiejaz> sys64709
[06:13] <Rene_S> Only a couple of times. I used one for pre press work at a print shop
[06:13] <hypa7ia> hey jj, isn't it some sort of sacriledge for you to be in a linux chan :-)
[06:13] <Pustulo> my c64, c128 and amiga all worked out of the box
[06:13] <Pustulo> so did my xt
[06:13] <mdz> hypa7ia: what kind of stuff did you need to do to get everything working?  things we could fix for hoary?
[06:13] <jimmiejaz> not at all hypa7ia.
[06:13] <Pustulo> and my 386 for that matter
[06:13] <jimmiejaz> but shhhh! ;)
[06:14] <hypa7ia> mdz: wel.  intel wireless 2200 is a big one.
[06:14] <mdz> hypa7ia: what did it need?  newer version of the driver?
[06:14] <hypa7ia> there's no driver pkg yet :-(
[06:14] <Rene_S> Personally I would be dissapointed if my comp always worked out of the box, would leave me with no alternative than to bust something
[06:14] <alvariux> somebody has the weather gdesklet
[06:14] <mdz> hypa7ia: er, it's part of the default kernel :-)
[06:14] <hypa7ia> is it?
[06:14] <mdz> hypa7ia: my laptop has intel 2200 wireless, and it works out of the box
[06:14] <alvariux> i put the city code but say retieval failed
[06:15] <hypa7ia> argh.  then why doesn't mine :-(
[06:15] <mdz> hypa7ia: maybe it needs a newer version of the driver? :-)
[06:15] <hypa7ia> lessee.
[06:15] <mdz> hypa7ia: you got it working, building the module from source?
[06:15] <DAC1138> Pustulo, my speack & spell worked out of the box too
[06:16] <DAC1138> Pustulo, Speek** as oyu can see, it doesnt teach me very well, lol
[06:16] <DAC1138> bahhhh, i need sleep
[06:16] <Rene_S> I had to reprogram my Tickle me Elmo, out of the box it used obcenities
[06:16] <DAC1138> lol
[06:16] <hypa7ia> mdz: nope, not yet
[06:16] <mdz> hypa7ia: oh, you said everything works
[06:16] <DAC1138> be back in a bit, xserver install time
[06:17] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: don't diss the speak and spell.  that thing taught me to read :-)
[06:17] <hypa7ia> mdz: well, it's not all working on /mine/ :-/
[06:17] <Rene_S> Maybe its my lack of Linux savvy, but I cant for the life of me find to many bugs in the Hoary distro...
[06:17] <mdz> Rene_S: just you wait :-)
[06:18] <mdz> hypa7ia: does the module get loaded?
[06:18] <hypa7ia> mdz: there's a bug in the dsdt for my laptop apparenly and thus the battery status is not to be fount
[06:18] <hypa7ia> err found
[06:18] <hypa7ia> and i have to hack the bios to fix it, eek!
[06:18] <Rene_S> Yeah, I suppose the fun is about to start soon, Gnome 2.9 and maybe Xorg that should bust up some desktops nice
[06:18] <hypa7ia> or patch the kernel.
[06:18] <mdz> we'll probably end up merging newer ACPI anyway
[06:19] <mdz> for the stuff mjg59 is working on
[06:19] <hypa7ia> i'm not sure that it;s fixed there either
[06:19] <hypa7ia> it's been a big discussion on http://m6n.ath.cx/forum/
[06:19] <hypa7ia> and i haven't gotten cpufreq running again
[06:19] <hypa7ia> but i think that's another PEBKAK
[06:20] <hypa7ia> err PEBKAc
[06:20] <hypa7ia> ohhhh
[06:20] <pn> is there a place i can see a list of packages available for ubuntu?
[06:20] <hypa7ia> the wacom graphire tablet drivers would be sooo nice to have
[06:20] <hypa7ia> as a package
[06:20] <DAC1138> one last thing, lol. where can i download the kernel source to the defauly ubuntu kernel? the current running kernel?
[06:21] <meatwad> how do you use sawfish w/ gnome?
[06:21] <Rene_S> pm: maybe on Distrowatch, they tend to list them for most distro's
[06:21] <DAC1138> i cant see it in the synaptics stuff. the only kernels it has goes to 2.6.7, and the current kernel is 2.6.8-1 or something
[06:21] <hypa7ia> pn: in synaptics?
[06:21] <meatwad> choosing a window manager to use in gnome used to be very easy but now I have no clue how to do it
[06:21] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: linux-kernel-<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, yeah, but thats not in the synaptics package manager
[06:22] <Rene_S> I am suprised there isnt a metacity configuration wizard
[06:22] <hypa7ia> it should be DAC1138 if you've updated recently
[06:22] <hypa7ia> it's in mine
[06:23] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, what do you mean updated?
[06:23] <pn> has anyone had any luck using debian packages with ubuntu?
[06:23] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, how do i update the package list?
[06:24] <crimsun> pn: yes, but very cautiously
[06:24] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: in synaptics, hit Reload
[06:24] <hypa7ia> upper left DAC1138
[06:24] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, did that, the newest kernel i see is 2.6.7
[06:24] <Rene_S> Im curious now to see what the Yoper guy is gonna do with Gnome ....
[06:24] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, when i use the search feature for "kernel source"
[06:25] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: i gave you the exact package name
[06:25] <hypa7ia> search for linux-source
[06:26] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, got it, thanks
[06:27] <Witigonen> I'm having trouble with permissions on my CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive.  When runnings that access it not as root, it's horribly, horribly, horribly slow.  What should my fstab say so that every user has full permissions to do whatever withi t?
[06:27] <|QuaD|> is there an ubuntu with kde?
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD|: you can install kde if you like
[06:27] <Rene_S> Woot, jsut had my last cigarette ever .... got me the patch .... this better work
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's in universe
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> however, KDE is not part of 'ubuntu' as such
[06:28] <hypa7ia> good luck Rene_S :-)
[06:28] <Witigonen> Rene_S, good luck :)
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is a GNOME based distribution
[06:28] <|QuaD|> hmm
[06:28] <|QuaD|> considering changing to ubuntu
[06:28] <Rene_S> Thanks.  After 21 years of smoking, I need to stop.  Can't breath well anymore
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> I would say, use gnome for a while
[06:28] <Xenguy> Rene_S: good luck - remember, patch, smatch -- it's all 'mind-over-matter' :-)
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> if you still don't like it, then change over
[06:29] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: if you were in toronto you could participate in my smoking cessation program.  everytime you want to smoke, i kick you in the shins :-)
[06:29] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: snuff out the cig but start on the crack ;)
[06:29] <Xenguy> Qo-noS: placebos - excellent strategy :-)
[06:29] <Qo-noS> ;)
[06:29] <Rene_S> I live in Kitchener, 60 km is too far to go for an ass kicking, but thanks
[06:29] <|QuaD|> heh, i have used kde for 4 years now :( but i really want to try ubuntu... i have ONLY heard good things about it
[06:30] <hypa7ia> haha, cool Rene_S, you'll have to come down to the caffe sometime
[06:30] <hypa7ia> www.linuxcaffe.ca
[06:30] <|QuaD|> during the initial instilation does it load gnome... or is it more like a debian net install?
[06:30] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: it loads gnome
[06:30] <Qo-noS> hey guys anyone knows of devel on a dtp app for the GNOME desktop? ala a gtk-based scribus?
[06:31] <|QuaD|> is there a list of packages it automatically puts on?
[06:31] <Xenguy> jezuz there's some kind of infestation of canadians in this channel :0
[06:31] <Rene_S> I plan on going to the pow wow in December, gonna take pictures again.  I might look around this year.
[06:31] <hypa7ia> hehe apparently Xenguy
[06:31] <Xenguy> er, heh, I am one -- oops
[06:31] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: pow wow = TLUG?
[06:31] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, I usually prefer KDE as well, but on Ubuntu, gnome is just better.  I recommend trying Ubuntu with gnome for a little while, if you can't get used to it at all, then try it with KDE.
[06:31] <Rene_S> Native thing at the Skydome
[06:32] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: can you give me a reason why?
[06:32] <hypa7ia> ahh, gotcha.  actual pow wow :-)
[06:32] <|QuaD|> i trust you
[06:32] <|QuaD|> just curious
[06:32] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: because it's really slick :-)
[06:32] <Rene_S> Yeah I go to 2 every year.  One in Brantford and one in TO.
[06:32] <hypa7ia> Qo-noS: dumb question, but isn't scribus gnome based?
[06:33] <Qo-noS> hypa7ia: QT app ;)
[06:33] <|QuaD|> :) does ubuntu put out packages ahead of debian unstable?
[06:33] <hypa7ia> durn, Qo-noS.  i guess that explains why i don'thave it installed yet :-p
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD|: all of the integration work is being done with GNOME
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> all of the hotplug stuff
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> all of that sort of magic
[06:33] <|QuaD|> ohhh ok
[06:33] <Rene_S> Xenguy, were not roaches,  or virus'es we are just Canadian
[06:33] <|QuaD|> i guess i can try gnome
[06:33] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: some yes, some no.  and ubu's feeding all its fixes back into debian
[06:34] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, Well, for one, it is the latest version of gnome- that's really, really nice.  One of the main reasons I prefer KDE, the use of my multimedia keys on the keyboard, I just set up with Gnome and it works great.  So that's awesome.  Also, gDesklets is better than superkaramba if you're into that stuff at all.  And, yeah, it just looks amazing.
[06:34] <|QuaD|> the thing i hate about gnome is that gtk apps run really nicely under kde but kde apps run horribly under gnome
[06:34] <|QuaD|> from my experience
[06:34] <hypa7ia> Qo-noS: i;ve just been using Inkscape of late
[06:35] <Qo-noS> hypa7ia: I guess a gtk-based Scribus + a presentation program will make GNOME better. OO's Impress is a little heavy on resources for some's liking. Criawips seems a promising effort though ;)
[06:36] <Witigonen> Hey, is there a better CD ripping program than grip?
[06:36] <Rene_S> My wife told me I had to pick a distro last night, she is tired of looking at the synaptic window
[06:36] <Qo-noS> hypa7ia: ah Inkscape + Sodipodi + GIMP > satisfy most normal desktop users' the graphics needs :)
[06:36] <|QuaD|> so noone answered me, where can i find a list of packages installed with ubuntu
[06:37] <hypa7ia> yuppers Qo-noS
[06:37] <hypa7ia> i <3 inkscape
[06:37] <Qo-noS> :)
[06:37] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: i'm not sure that you can
[06:37] <|QuaD|> really?
[06:37] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, sorry, don't know.  Not that many are actually installed WITH Ubuntu (it only comes on one CD, after all) but there are a ton that you can install once you get it running.  Debian packages, after all.
[06:38] <|QuaD|> right... i am VERY familiar with debian
[06:38] <Rene_S> try this for a package list  http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[06:38] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: ubu is very very debian
[06:38] <hypa7ia> after i used fedora for a month it was nice to come home :-)
[06:38] <|QuaD|> right... but it installs gnome and other packages automatically right?
[06:38] <|QuaD|> what arethose packages?
[06:38] <|QuaD|> rene- i will try that
[06:39] <Rene_S> Yeah, scroll part way down the page, its a short list of the majaor features and packages
[06:39] <|QuaD|> yeah
[06:40] <|QuaD|> i went from 3.5 years of debian to installing suse 9.2 this w/e
[06:40] <|QuaD|> i have never been SOOO dissapointed
[06:40] <hypa7ia> rpm == teh suck!
[06:40] <|QuaD|> it is horrible
[06:40] <Rene_S> SUSE is nice but slow and bloated i think
[06:40] <|QuaD|> i liked it until i tried to install my own software
[06:40] <|QuaD|> yast is amazing
[06:40] <Rene_S> good for first time linux users
[06:41] <|QuaD|> i have never set up my dual monitors soo quickly
[06:41] <Witigonen> I hear a lot of complaints from Debian people about RPMs, but I've never understood just what was so horrible about them.  Anyone care to enlighten me?
[06:41] <blacknyx> Yeah SuSe is good for newbies like me, I'm on it right now.
[06:41] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: dependencies
[06:42] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i start with mandrake... i consider putting it back on quite often (though i never do) urpmi is pretty good
[06:42] <hypa7ia> Witigonen: yes.  dependencies
[06:42] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: i can't find a way to install a bittorrent app because it doesn't believe it has python ncurses installed
[06:42] <Rene_S> Dependancies arent really the fault of the RPM per se. Its the people who make them that forget to include em :)
[06:42] <blacknyx> |QuaD|:  Mandrake was too much like windows for me, SuSe is a fair balance until I can learn to do things better on command line.
[06:43] <Witigonen> But programs like apt-get/urpmi/yast/yum all resolve the dependencies automatically.  (apt-get for RedHat/Fedora systems, that is)
[06:43] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i liked it to switch over
[06:43] <|QuaD|> apt-get for suse has horrible repoisitories
[06:43] <|QuaD|> and it isn't anything like a debian one... it is slow
[06:43] <blacknyx> Once I try to recover my lost+and found files, I'll add ubuntu on a dual boot.
[06:44] <Witigonen> Hm.  I've never tried SuSE, but apt-get was pretty good on all the RedHat-based systems I tried it on.
[06:44] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: i have a suse 9.2 license (legal) i am not using it anymore... if you want i can send you the isos
[06:44] <|QuaD|> and you can see why it sucks
[06:44] <blacknyx> |QuaD|: keep in mind, 9.2 was JUST released.
[06:44] <blacknyx> 9.1 is more stable.
[06:44] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, I was thinking just the other night of installing SuSE.
[06:44] <blacknyx> I havent even upgraded yet.
[06:45] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: they don't even use bleeding edge packages
[06:45] <|QuaD|> a lot is crippled
[06:45] <|QuaD|> i hate it
[06:45] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: want the isos?
[06:45] <Rene_S> Thats not entirely a bad thing though
[06:45] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, Sure.
[06:45] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, if I don't use them, I'm sure somebody from my local lug will.
[06:46] <blacknyx> But isn't stable better than bleeding edge?
[06:46] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: can i pm you?
[06:46] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, of course.
[06:46] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i like bleeding edge
[06:46] <Rene_S> Depends on the type of Linux user you want to be
[06:46] <blacknyx> I prefer stable, I'm not good enough with linux yet to deal with errors in bleeding edge.
[06:46] <|QuaD|> stable is good for a server
[06:46] <Qo-noS> most of these other package management tools that have sprung up in recent years e.g. apt4rpm, yum, swaret, slapt-get, pacman, prt-get drew at least part of their inspiration from Debian's APT. The strength of Debian and hence Debian-related distros like Ubuntu lies with debian's huge pool of packages and repositories and integration of package config in debconf
[06:47] <|QuaD|> bleeding edge is good for home use
[06:47] <|QuaD|> you don't realize how good you have it with apt
[06:47] <|QuaD|> till you leave it
[06:47] <Witigonen> Qo-noS, Ahh, alright.  Thanks.
[06:47] <Rene_S> True, I hate having to wait for a Gentoo app to compile
[06:48] <blacknyx> i haven't had anything with apt yet.
[06:48] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: heh ;)
[06:48] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i tried gentoo for a while... i decided its not worth the time to compile stuff
[06:48] <meatwad> anyone know how to swap out metacity for sawfish as the window manager gnome uses in ubuntu?
[06:48] <Rene_S> I started my first Gentoo compile when i was a young man, now I am aged hehe
[06:48] <Rene_S> and I am still waiting
[06:48] <hypa7ia> gentoo took a day of my life
[06:49] <hypa7ia> that's a day i'll never get back :-(
[06:49] <Adrenal> is there anyway to theme gaim?
[06:49] <blacknyx> |Quad|:  I had it for a few days, it was such a pain.
[06:49] <hypa7ia> http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[06:49] <|QuaD|> yeah
[06:49] <|QuaD|> debian is great
[06:49] <|QuaD|> i miss it
[06:49] <|QuaD|> and i have only not used it for a week
[06:49] <|QuaD|> though debian kde support has been lagging
[06:50] <Rene_S> The thing thats so nice about Linux as a rule is that people find a distro that works for them and there happy that way, almost everyone I know hates Windows ....
[06:50] <|QuaD|> hehe yeah
[06:50] <|QuaD|> the two i found that i like is mandrake and debian
[06:51] <|QuaD|> i reccomend mandrake to anyone starting off in linux
[06:51] <Adrenal> is there anyway to add window transperency
[06:51] <blacknyx> Rene_S:  I agree, but I wish I had partition magic right now to try to fix my other hard drive.
[06:51] <Adrenal> ?
[06:51] <Rene_S> I like Yoper for some reason and I love this cause I am a Debian junkie and Gnome works nice
[06:51] <blacknyx> I cant find anything to try to fix it with on linux.
[06:51] <hypa7ia> qtparted blacknyx?  jsut run it in knoppix or somethin
[06:52] <Rene_S> Hmm Knoppix makes a good fix it cd
[06:52] <hypa7ia> that it does
[06:53] <Rene_S> I usually get lazy though and use the Mandrake CD 1 and repartition with that
[06:53] <|QuaD|> so, i am hoping for honesty here, do you guys really think ubuntu is a step up from debian? i don't want to make it 3 installs in a week (would prefer to stay at 2)
[06:53] <|QuaD|> Rene_S: I thought i was the only one that did that!
[06:53] <|QuaD|> lol
[06:53] <|QuaD|> i did that this summer
[06:53] <blacknyx> hypa7ia:  Should I run Knoppix on my corrupted hard drive?
[06:54] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: i really really do
[06:54] <Rene_S> Dunno about a step up, it seems to be a step forward in making Debian more user friendly
[06:54] <|QuaD|> any quick couple word answers/
[06:54] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, having no experience with Debian itself (except for one really bad night back in the eighth grade with a 486) so I can't say.  I'm enjoying it, though.
[06:54] <hypa7ia> blacknyx: i don't know really
[06:54] <|QuaD|> ok :)
[06:54] <|QuaD|> how does it make it more user friendly?
[06:54] <blacknyx> hypa7ia:  thanks for the suggestion though, I wasnt even aware of this program.
[06:54] <hypa7ia> no problemo
[06:55] <Rene_S> Personally I like Ubuntu because the Gnome desktop works, its fairly snappy, the people in the forums and here are nice and its a Debian based distro
[06:55] <[lsd] > the big thing in making it more user-friendly than debian is the release cycle
[06:56] <|QuaD|> i am having a hard time seeing what makes it one step up
[06:56] <[lsd] > you can install a stable, supported version that's pretty up-to-date
[06:56] <Rene_S> Hey I like the 4 year between releases hehe
[06:56] <[lsd] > rather than forcing people to run testing or unstable to get recent stuff
[06:56] <Rene_S> FreeBSD had 4 years between 4 and 5
[06:56] <[lsd] > Rene_S: it's great for some things :) perhaps not great for user desktops though
[06:57] <|QuaD|> llooking at osdir's screenshots... it looks like ubuntu installs one webbrowser, one email client, one irc, etc ... is that true?
[06:57] <|QuaD|> obviously with the option for more later?
[06:57] <[lsd] > pretty much
[06:57] <|QuaD|> nice
[06:57] <[lsd] > the base distribution is kept fairly minimal in terms of application choice
[06:57] <|QuaD|> thats good
[06:57] <[lsd] > it covers lots of functions, but with only really one app of each type
[06:57] <Rene_S> Yeah after all it needs to fit on one cd
[06:57] <[lsd] > yeah i think it works really well
[06:58] <|QuaD|> this might sound like a dumb question, but how long does the install of this take? i wanna plan my time tomorrow :)
[06:58] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, shouldn't take more than half an hour.  Fifteen minutes?  Ten?
[06:58] <Rene_S> I took me around 30 mins
[06:58] <|QuaD|> wow... debian is like twice that
[06:58] <[lsd] > the installer asks very few questions
[06:58] <blacknyx> took me about 30 minutes, but thats because I was changing partitions.