[00:13] <captainkirk> hi all... i need some assistance configuring a cluster file system...
[00:13] <captainkirk> have been trying to setup using glusterfs
[00:14] <captainkirk> any one had any success with this?
[00:16] <captainkirk> is anyone even here?
[00:24] <jmedina> morning
[00:24] <jmedina> o_O
[00:24] <jmedina> anyone here installed ubuntu server in blades?
[00:25] <orudie> i know who did
[00:25] <jmedina> they are XHS21 XM it is a bladecenter H
[00:25] <jmedina> orudie: can I contact him?
[00:25] <orudie> yeah
[00:26] <orudie> irc.oftc.net #linode , talk to caker
[00:26] <jmedina> I hate IBM because doesnt support Ubuntu for their virtualization manager agent :S
[00:26] <jmedina> orudie: thanks
[00:26] <orudie> jmarsden, you should use xen
[00:26] <jmedina> I use xen
[00:27] <jmedina> but their agent isnot supported
[00:27] <jmedina> it works for rhel an suse :S
[00:27] <orudie> jmedina, you run a company ?
[00:27] <jmedina> orudie: yeap
[00:27] <jmedina> this is a new customer who wants ubuntu server :D
[00:28] <orudie> jmedina, can i work for you ?
[00:28] <jmedina> orudie: sure im in mexico city
[00:28] <orudie> lol
[00:28] <orudie> how about over the internet
[00:29] <jmedina> well I really dont know, I'm only the linux guy
[00:30] <orudie> i thought you said you run the company, meaning you are the boss
[00:30] <jmedina> nop sorry
[00:30] <capkirk> hey folks... I am needing some help to set up a file server cluster
[00:30] <orudie> i also want to be a linux guy
[00:32] <mattt> orudie: haha!
[00:32] <orudie> mattt, what ?
[00:32] <capkirk> i have been trying to set up using glusterfs... but keep running into problems so now I am looking at ocfs... any one have any ideas?
[00:32] <mattt> "can i work for you?"
[00:32] <mattt> :)
[00:34] <orudie> so ?
[00:34] <orudie> whats so funny ?
[00:34] <capkirk> anyone at all.... any ideas on clustered file system using ubuntu....?
[00:36] <orudie> jmedina, they are they guys i bought VPS from and installed ubuntu server
[00:37] <jmedina> orudie: ok, I didnt know about linode services
[00:37] <orudie> jmarsden, they are great dude , if you decide to get one let me know so that i would give you a referal code
[00:37] <orudie> www.linode.com
[00:38] <orudie> caker is the owner
[00:39] <foxbuntu> capkirk, looked into GFS?
[00:41] <capkirk> is that glusterfs?
[00:41] <foxbuntu> no
[00:41] <foxbuntu> Global File System
[00:41] <foxbuntu> gfs-tools is in the repos
[00:41] <capkirk> ok, then no i have not.. but I noticed that it is included with the 8.04 Server cd
[00:41] <foxbuntu> yes
[00:42] <capkirk> ok, i found gfs-tools on the cd. u think i should give it a go
[00:42] <jmedina> orudie: thanks but I have my own rack for vps hosting
[00:42] <orudie> jmedina, :)
[00:42] <foxbuntu> capkirk, I have never tried it, but I have clients that use it
[00:42] <orudie> so there you go , they are your competitors
[00:43] <jmedina> orudie: then I want the code :D
[00:43] <orudie> i doubt they'll give you
[00:43] <orudie> you can try to buy it from them though
[00:43] <orudie> i'm very interested what they are gonna say
[00:44] <foxbuntu> !ot | orudie
[00:44] <capkirk> just reading up on gfs-tools... looks like it might be the go, will do some more reading first.....
[00:44] <orudie> foxbuntu, dont be an asshole
[00:44] <foxbuntu> !admin | orudie
[00:44] <jmedina> capkirk: well you can read redhat offfical docs about gfs
[00:45] <orudie> lol foxbuntu you are so miserable
[00:46] <foxbuntu> orudie, move on and keep the chat out of here or I really will have and admin step in
[00:46] <orudie> go ahead
[00:47] <foxbuntu> ScottK, you are an admin right?
[00:48] <orudie> what a looser lol
[00:49] <foxbuntu> orudie, this is a support channel to try to help others, not your personal chat room, so as I tried to nicely point out earlier. Go to -offtopic if you want to chat
[00:50] <orudie> ping baffle
[00:50] <orudie> i'm in this channel 24/7
[00:51] <orudie> you dont have to educate me
[00:51] <capkirk> maybe u should get a life...?
[00:51] <orudie> idling that is
[00:51] <jmedina> well I dont see a problem, it was ubuntu related and there is no active conversation at the moment
[01:14] <capkirk> ok... now i am having recurring problems with apt-get
[01:15] <capkirk> logged in as root i type 'apt-get update' and i get various errors including NODATA2
[01:16] <capkirk> i am trying to install gfs-tools
[01:16] <capkirk> if i enter apt-cache search gfs it returns nothing but the prompt, even after running apt-get update
[01:18] <foxbuntu> capkirk, sounds like you might need to make sure your sources.list is alright
[01:19] <capkirk> this is a fresh clean install of ubuntu server 8.04... should sources.list need udpating?
[01:20] <foxbuntu> capkirk, nope
[01:20] <foxbuntu> capkirk, you sure you have a web connection then?
[01:20] <capkirk> if i type host google.com, it returns all the right numbers....
[01:21] <foxbuntu> capkirk, try: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:21] <capkirk> ping works as expected
[01:21] <foxbuntu> ok
[01:21] <capkirk> is it possible that our company proxy server is sending cached info to the apt-get command
[01:22] <foxbuntu> ah, did you setup a proxy?
[01:22] <foxbuntu> I mean, the proxy connection
[01:22] <capkirk> yes, i am running ipcop
[01:23] <capkirk> no need, ipcop is running transparent proxy mode
[01:23] <foxbuntu> gotcha
[01:24] <foxbuntu> you said you install 8.04? or is it 8.04.1?
[01:25] <capkirk> im fairly certain it is 8.04, is there some way i can check
[01:25] <foxbuntu> lsb_release -a
[01:26] <pawan> can some one help me with port forwarding
[01:27] <capkirk> ok, it says description ubuntu 8.04.1 release 8.04
[01:29] <foxbuntu> capkirk, ok well perhaps the repos for that have been moved...lets have a look
[01:40] <foxbuntu> capkirk, I think you can point to old-releases.ubuntu.com to get those repos, however there is major security vulnerability in 8.04.1, you would do best to: sudo do-release-upgrade
[01:40] <capkirk> ok, will do upgrade now
[01:40] <kees> foxbuntu: 8.04 is supported.
[01:41] <foxbuntu> kees, hasn't it been moved to old-releases?
[01:41] <Nafallo> 8.04(.2) is a long term support release and should be supported for a further 4 years
[01:41] <capkirk> hmmm says no new release found
[01:41] <kees> 7.10 is off the repo (and in old-release) but 8.04 (Hardy) will be supported for a long time
[01:41] <foxbuntu> kees, ah
[01:41] <capkirk> yes, that is why i am using 8.04...LTS
[01:41] <kees> capkirk: just  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   and you can get any available updates.
[01:41] <capkirk> kk, will try that now
[01:42] <kees> capkirk: if you *want* to upgrade to intrepid or jaunty, you'll need to tell it so.
[01:42] <Nafallo> kees: that's if -updates and -security is enabled :-)
[01:42] <kees> Nafallo: very true, I did make that assumption.
[01:42] <capkirk> u mean in the sources.list
[01:42] <kees> Nafallo: we need apt-get fix-yo-self
[01:42] <capkirk> lol
[01:42] <Nafallo> kees: it is by default so... :-)
[01:43] <capkirk> apt-get dist-upgrade is underway....
[01:48] <capkirk> hmmm... update seems to have stalled.... 23% [Waiting for headers]
[01:50] <capkirk> its away again... must have needed a coffee break
[01:51] <Nafallo> (or a timeout...)
[01:51] <Nafallo> (...and retry)
[01:53] <capkirk> yes, maybe, it is doing it again.... different site but seems to have stalled
[01:53] <capkirk> working again...
[01:54] <capkirk> this repo site is slow.... 15kb/sec
[01:54] <twb> Which repo?
[01:54] <capkirk> au.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:56] <twb> Which ISP do you use?
[01:56] <capkirk> bigpond adsl2+
[01:57] <twb> Hm, bigpond doesn't have its own mirror AFAIK.
[01:57] <capkirk> no, i dont think so....
[01:57] <twb> internode's is externally visible, so I guess you could put it in there as well and see if it's faster than au.
[01:57] <capkirk> well, at least it is working..just a bit slow
[01:57] <twb> According to a TPG user I know, internode's is faster than everything else even for him :-)
[01:58] <capkirk> ok... ill look into it
[01:58] <twb> deb http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu hardy main
[01:58] <capkirk> do i just edit the sources.list file and replace the au.....
[01:58] <capkirk> or add it
[01:59] <twb> capkirk: better to leave the au. entries there, at the bottom, so if internode isn't available or is out of date, it will fall back on using them.
[01:59] <twb> On Debian there's a package called apt-spy which automatically puts the fastest repo in your sources.list.d, but it seems that Ubuntu doesn't have that.
[01:59] <capkirk> ok, so sources.list works from top to bottom order of preference?
[01:59] <twb> Yeah
[02:00] <capkirk> i feel like such a linux newbie trying to achieve complex things....
[02:10] <capkirk> phew... dist-update complete
[02:11] <capkirk> now running 8.04.2
[02:11] <capkirk> now back to gfs-tools
[02:11] <twb> What of it?
[02:12] <capkirk> i am trying to set up a cluster file system
[02:14] <capkirk> gfs or ocfs... any opinions?
[02:19] <Iceman_B1SSH> how do I upgrade 8.10 server to 9.04 server? (and should I?)
[02:20] <hads> sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:20] <hads> (and if you want to_
[02:20] <giovani> Iceman_B1SSH: you may want to wait it out a few days
[02:20] <giovani> servers are hammered
[02:20] <giovani> or does do-release-upgrade now use apt-p2p?
[02:21] <Iceman_B1SSH> apt-p2p? sounds awesome
[02:21] <giovani> apt-cache show apt-p2p
[02:21] <Iceman_B|SSH> meh, I can wait a few days
[02:21] <Iceman_B|SSH> or maybe I should just wait until support runs out on 8.10
[02:21] <Iceman_B|SSH> so far it's doing everything I want
[02:21] <giovani> eh, why wait that long?
[02:22] <giovani> critical server?
[02:22] <Iceman_B|SSH> nah
[02:22] <Iceman_B|SSH> it's my home server
[02:22] <giovani> then upgrade in a few days or something
[02:22] <Iceman_B|SSH> functions as a bittorrent client and I have a samba share for the local network here
[02:22] <Iceman_B|SSH> oh and an irssi client of course
[02:22] <Iceman_B|SSH> :)
[02:23] <giovani> doing upgrades on a release day is rarely a good idea -- it hangs if it can't get the package, etc -- nasty stuff, at least in previous upgrades
[02:23] <Iceman_B|SSH> I'll wait a few days then
[02:24] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[02:24] <Iceman_B|SSH> you;s think that in this day and age, Canocial would have scalable bw
[02:24] <SpaceBass> I did the upgrade and am paying the price :D
[02:24] <giovani> Iceman_B|SSH: it has little to do with canonical
[02:24] <giovani> Iceman_B|SSH: all the mirrors are hammered
[02:24] <SpaceBass> broke SSH and netatalk -suspect kerberos but not sure how do diagnose this one
[02:24] <giovani> SpaceBass: be more specific
[02:24] <giovani> log into the machine locally and read logs, to start
[02:24] <SpaceBass> when I try and SSH in, it says "connection closed"
[02:25] <SpaceBass> giovani, looking for the sshd log still, syslog is no help
[02:25] <giovani> /var/log/auth.log
[02:26] <SpaceBass> says it cannot find pam_foreground
[02:26] <SpaceBass> but then issues an auth
[02:27] <giovani> issues an auth?
[02:28] <SpaceBass> after the error, there is a new line: "authorized to jdoe, krb5 principal...."
[02:29] <SpaceBass> doing some google-fu on that error now
[02:31] <Iceman_B|SSH> when I go dpkg -l I get lines like "rc  bsd-mailx                         8.1.2-0.20071201cvs-3         A simple mail user agent"
[02:31] <Iceman_B|SSH> does that mean, the rc at the beginning
[02:32] <Iceman_B|SSH> +what
[02:32] <SpaceBass> some brilliant admin put a note about jaunty in the header of the ubuntu forums so every single post is a match
[02:32] <giovani> Iceman_B|SSH: read the header/manpage
[02:33] <giovani> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[02:33] <giovani> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[02:33] <giovani> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[02:33] <Iceman_B|SSH> cryptic message ahoy :/
[02:34] <giovani> not cryptic at all ...
[02:34] <giovani> very clear
[02:34] <giovani> r = remove
[02:34] <giovani> c = cfg-files
[02:34] <giovani> because it wasn't purges
[02:34] <giovani> purged*
[02:34] <Iceman_B|SSH> ....oh, I have to read it like that
[02:35] <Iceman_B|SSH> they should have underlined the first letter of every state and made the descriptions all lowercase
[02:35] <giovani> I said to read the header
[02:35] <giovani> it's clear from the capitalization
[02:35] <Iceman_B|SSH> I dont know what you meant by "header"
[02:35] <giovani> that's why it's "trig-aWait" for example
[02:35] <giovani> then you're in trouble ...
[02:35] <Iceman_B|SSH> why?
[02:36] <giovani> sigh
[02:36] <giovani> because "look at the header" should be clear
[02:37] <Iceman_B|SSH> then I must have glossed over a linux tutorial that explains that that term should be standard issue knowledge under serveradmins ._.
[02:37] <giovani> header is an english word
[02:37] <Iceman_B|SSH> but that's cool, I'll look into it soon, sleep first
[02:37] <giovani> it's not linux-specific
[02:38] <Iceman_B|SSH> I know, but header can mean a lot of things
[02:38] <giovani> it always means the stuff at the top
[02:38] <SpaceBass> anyone doing kerberos/ldap auth in 9.04?
[02:38] <Iceman_B|SSH> okay
[02:38] <giovani> or, the "first" stuff, more specifically
[02:38] <giovani> SpaceBass: I will be in a few days, 9.04 was just released today
[02:38] <Iceman_B|SSH> thanks for your input, Ive gotten a bit wiser
[02:38] <Iceman_B|SSH> later
[02:39] <SpaceBass> giovani, will be curious to hear your results
[02:39] <giovani> SpaceBass: 9.04 ldap may work fine
[02:39] <giovani> upgrades are messy
[02:39] <giovani> and can break non-standard configs
[02:39] <SpaceBass> thats what I thought...
[02:39] <SpaceBass> I understand about upgrades...
[02:39] <giovani> so, ldap auth working in 9.04 won't help ya with your broken upgrade :)
[02:40] <SpaceBass> doesnt mean that its unrealistic to try and get it working again
[02:40] <giovani> yeah, sometimes it's easier to start with a fresh install, when possible
[02:40] <SpaceBass> not a great option for me...but if I have to rebuild from scrach then I will
[02:41] <giovani> ok
[02:42] <SpaceBass> would prefer to troubleshoot what I got
[02:43] <SpaceBass> but it does all point to pam now that I dig in
[02:44] <giovani> yep, it's probably your pam config, or any changes you made to pam when enabling kerberos
[02:44] <giovani> since that's non-standard
[02:44] <giovani> probably new pam version doesn't like the config, or something along those lines
[02:44] <SpaceBass> well for that matter anyone who adds a user is non-standard
[02:44] <SpaceBass> we should all run the live CD
[02:46] <giovani> except that the format of /etc/passwd never changes
[02:46] <giovani> so no
[02:47] <giovani> upgrades of a distro can never correct config files that were edited by the user
[02:47] <giovani> other than replace them, ify ou want
[02:47] <giovani> but that'd hard break your system
[02:47] <twb> giovani: if you're talking about conffile conflicts, usually dpkg will offer to drop you to a shell to manually merge them.
[02:48] <giovani> twb: nope, that's not what I'm talking about
[02:48] <giovani> I'm talking about a potential config option in an old version of program X, which is no longer compatable with new version Y
[02:48] <twb> Ah.
[02:48] <giovani> during an upgrade, if you want to keep your old config ... it may not work as expected with new version Y
[02:48] <twb> That would need to be handled specially in the .postinst.
[02:49] <giovani> twb: maybe you want to help SpaceBass troubleshoot his non-working kerb auth in a 9.04 upgrade
[02:49] <twb> I've NEVER gotten kerb working
[02:50] <giovani> like I said ... non-standard :)
[02:50] <twb> SpaceBass: are you trying to fix a kerb client, or the kerb server?
[02:52] <giovani> kerb client, I believe
[02:52] <SpaceBass> client
[02:52] <SpaceBass> yeah
[02:53] <SpaceBass> worked in every release since 6.x (when I started using ubuntu)... usually pretty straight forward... config kerberos, add a key file, config the pam files and boom, it works
[02:53] <twb> SpaceBass: well, there are two parts.  You need to make sure nss is working (/etc/nsswitch.conf), and once getent agrees (e.g. "getent passwd fred" for a Kerberos account "fred"), you need to get pam working.
[02:54] <capkirk> does anyone know about ATAoE...?
[02:54] <SpaceBass> twb, thanks! have confirmed nss is working
[02:55] <SpaceBass> can still log in locally as network users + getent passwd returns what I expect
[02:55] <SpaceBass> think its pam ... although all that appears in my auth.log is a successful auth
[02:55] <capkirk> I am trying to set up a shared cluster storage arrangement with disk redundancy
[02:56] <twb> SpaceBass: OK, now log in as a kerb user and confirm that you have received a valid TGT.
[02:56] <SpaceBass> roger that
[02:56] <SpaceBass> locally I can kinit, and if I try and ssh in, I get the approprate ticket (and then it says "connection closed")
[02:56] <SpaceBass> appreciate the help btw - thanks
[02:56] <twb> Does auth.log say why you were kicked out?
[02:57] <SpaceBass> no - one line for the ssh transaction... auth
[02:57] <twb> Try to work out how to turn on debugging for the pam_krb module(s) and for sshd.
[02:59] <SpaceBass> got sshd in debug mode now... checking
[02:59] <SpaceBass> "access denied for spacebass by PAM account config"
[03:04] <twb> So now you need to grovel through pam debugging, which is enabled on a per-module basis.
[03:09] <SpaceBass> :(
[03:10] <capkirk> seems to be a lot of infor re red hat and cluster file systesm.... anyone know anything about ubuntu and file system clusters?
[03:10] <capkirk> i can spell, just can't type ^^^^
[03:11] <capkirk> too many years on windows .... clicking a mouse :P
[03:15] <twb> You could try wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:16] <capkirk> yes, seems i have been all over the web... just cant find anything that explains it?
[03:16] <capkirk> i know what i want to achieve, just not sure what tools or packages to use to make it happen
[03:18] <SpaceBass> twb, thanks for the hand holding
[03:18] <SpaceBass> think I got it - ssh is at least working
[03:18] <twb> Cool.
[03:18] <SpaceBass> i'll recompile netatalk tomorrow
[03:18] <capkirk> i have a number of older pc's which i want to configure in an array of some sort so that the disks can be configured for redundancy and shared as a single disk share on the local net
[03:21] <anthony1x> Hi. I currently try to play with the ICU library. it already came shipped with my distro, so I don't need to install it myself. however, I don't have the header files needed. is it normal for them not be shipped with the library? and if I download them from the icu website, where should I place them?
[03:21] <twb> anthony1x: you need to install the associated -dev package.
[03:21] <capkirk> ok, so i am trying to set up a SAN array using old PCs...
[03:22] <anthony1x> twb, I already searched for it. none found for libicu
[03:22] <twb> anthony1x: then you are searching wrong.
[03:23] <anthony1x> twb,
[03:23] <anthony1x> twb, how should I search correctly then?
[03:23] <twb> aptitude install ~nlibicu.*-dev
[03:24] <stickystyle> capkirk: is this more of a learning exercise or something you want put into production?
[03:25] <twb> capkirk: stickystyle has a point; this is not the kind of thing you want to put production data on.
[03:26] <stickystyle> You would be many times better served just by trowing all those drives in one box and learning mdraid.
[03:26] <anthony1x> twb, that did the trick. how come sudo apt-get install libicu and then hitting tab to get a list of all available packages does not list the dev package?
[03:26] <twb> anthony1x: probably because you have not loaded /etc/bash_completion.
[03:26] <anthony1x> twb, thanks anyway.
[03:26] <twb> stickystyle: or even better, by buying three or four brand new 1TiB drives and putting them in a dedicated file server, RAID5'd.
[03:27] <twb> Using old disks fills me with horror, especially since SATA is ridiculously cheap now.
[03:27] <stickystyle> twb: very true
[03:27] <twb> For a 3×1TiB SATA array you're looking at AUD500 for the disks.
[03:28] <twb> Make that 450.
[03:28] <stickystyle> capkirk: but if your just looking to learn and play (which is always good) check out glusterfs
[03:28] <twb> For a 4×1.5TiB SATA array, AUD860.
[03:29] <twb> Plus the case, motherboard and CPU, of course, but you don't need anything special for a file server (except dual gigabit NICs).
[03:30] <SpaceBass> hitting the sack - thanks again tbw, appreciate your help and patience :D
[03:30] <twb> Actually, I haven't run the numbers.  If the internal PCIe or SATA bus is the bottleneck, you could just use one gigE NIC.
[03:31] <capkirk> ok, i take your point as very valid... this is for production use... but budget is tight....(as usual)
[03:32] <capkirk> what is this mdraid you speak of?
[03:32] <stickystyle> mdraid == software raid
[03:33] <capkirk> ok, so this is for a network attached file service, shared by samba
[03:33] <twb> capkirk: if you can come up with a grand, you can have a file server that will kick the arse of anything you build from hand-me-down workstations -- faster, more reliable and able to store more by several orders of magnitude.
[03:33] <stickystyle> if its for production, you need to always consider your time as a cost in the budget...how many hours will you have to tweek something to get it going, and how many times will you have to go back.
[03:34] <capkirk> too true... could probably find a grand....
[03:34] <stickystyle> shoot, for a grand you could build a pretty rocking bit of storage, removable drive trays and everything.
[03:34] <capkirk> we have an old server running w2k that i want to retire and move to ubuntu server and samba.
[03:35] <twb> You just say to your boss: "look, I can spend a week setting this up, and it won't work well, and I'll have to go back to it every month or two to fix something... or you can front a grand now, and we will have a state-of-the-art system that you can leave running for ever."
[03:35] <twb> stickystyle: depends on the currency; I was working in AU$1000 :-)
[03:35] <stickystyle> twb is dead on.
[03:36] <twb> For US$1000 you could throw in removable bays and a nice rackmount case.
[03:36] <twb> You'd end up with about 3TiB of storage and the ability to lose one of the four drives without problems.
[03:37] <twb> If you count up all your 200GiB hand-me-downs, they probably won't add up to 3TiB even BEFORE you take into account the loss from parity.
[03:37] <twb> And parity loss is higher the more disks you have.
[03:39] <giovani> parity loss is lower the more disks you have
[03:40] <giovani> (as a percentage of the array)
[03:40] <giovani> i.e. 1 parity for 3 drives is 33.33% loss
[03:40] <giovani> 1 for 4 drives is 25% loss, etc
[03:43] <capkirk> ok... i am liking this advice... makes sense...
[03:44] <capkirk> so  an external unit with 4x SATA drives in some kind of raid array for redundancy connected via gigabit ethernet to a ubuntu server shared via samba... have i got it right?
[03:44] <twb> giovani: you're right; sorry.
[03:45] <capkirk> is only for local file serving and application data store so ultra high speed not really required
[03:45] <twb> giovani: I guess I was assuming you'd scale up the number of parity disks proportionally to the number of disks in total.
[03:45] <stickystyle> With only four drives you could easily find a case to hold them all in rather than doing external.
[03:46] <capkirk> yet again you speak wisdom....
[03:46] <twb> capkirk: not "an external unit" -- just an ordinary rackmount/tower case and motherboard
[03:46] <stickystyle> and the raid array can be setup *inside* ubuntu with mdraid
[03:46] <stickystyle> so all you need is a regular old computer + 4 drives + ubuntu
[03:47] <stickystyle> pretty much every motherboard comes with GigE built-on now.
[03:48] <twb> s/old//
[03:48] <stickystyle> you can swap the 'regular old computer' get fancy and buy a rack mount computer, with removable drive trays if you desire
[03:49] <stickystyle> twb: yeah, didn't really meen *old*
[03:49] <twb> There's no point in doing so unless you already have a rack to put it in, of course :-)
[03:49] <stickystyle> Excellent point! :D
[03:50] <capkirk> ok, well i do have a rack, but only as a storage cabinet, no rack mount servers, all shelves and stuff
[03:50] <capkirk> plenty of 'old' computers quite capable of running ubuntu and 4x disks.... just a little problem but..
[03:51] <capkirk> it i install 4x disks and no cd rom... how do i install os?
[03:51] <twb> capkirk: for the cost, I would buy a $50 motherboard and $100 CPU anyway, just because.
[03:51] <twb> capkirk: there are a number of ways -- you can install from a hard disk, or you can install from the network.
[03:51] <twb> capkirk: you could use the eSATA port to connect a SATA CD drive.
[03:51] <capkirk> *old* pcs... no sata,  only ide
[03:51] <twb> capkirk: or you could set up the array to start of degraded, then latter connect the third disk.
[03:52] <twb> capkirk: don't use PATA for a new system.
[03:52] <twb> PATA costs will only go up.
[03:52] <capkirk> maybe i should bust open some old boxes... never know, might find some sata ....
[03:53] <stickystyle> HD's are dirt cheap http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/  $44 for 500GB
[03:54] <stickystyle> And a full tower size case should fit four drives with a CD/DVD-ROM no problem
[03:54] <capkirk> is there such a thing as pci - sata cards
[03:54] <stickystyle> capkirk: yep
[03:55] <twb> capkirk: yes, but I'd still say just buy a new motherboard.
[03:55] <twb> capkirk: it wil still cost less than a grand.
[03:56] <twb> For commodity hardware, trying to reuse gear that's three or five years old and a generation behind will screw you in the long run.  It's a lesson I learnt the hard way.
[03:56] <capkirk> what about pwr supply wattage ?
[03:56] <twb> capkirk: you'd have to calculate that.
[03:56] <twb> If you get a decent case, it will include a PSU.
[03:57] <capkirk> so let me summarise to see that i understadn....
[03:58] <capkirk> 1x pc with 4x sata drives ... average cpu and ram sufficient with ubuntu and mdraid
[03:59] <capkirk> a second machine which is the acutal 'server' with ubuntu and samba sharing the drives on the 1st pc....
[03:59] <capkirk> or just run everything from 1 computer
[03:59] <stickystyle> Your over engineering it, just one computer
[04:00] <capkirk> k, was still thinking of scalability...
[04:00] <stickystyle> how many users?
[04:00] <capkirk> we have an average use of about 30 users connected at any one time
[04:01] <stickystyle> and it wouldn't be a scalable solution as your bottle necking everything through the network
[04:01] <stickystyle> what kind of data? is this their home folders that they are mounting from their local machines?
[04:01] <capkirk> i was thinking allong the lines of SAN network...
[04:01] <stickystyle> i.e. they are running off the server
[04:02] <capkirk> no roaming profiles  or anything like that
[04:02] <capkirk> just docs, spreadsheets etc and some shared application data files
[04:03] <stickystyle> I worked at a place where we had a 600MHz P3 serving 220 users shared data
[04:03] <stickystyle> I don't think you have to worry about scaling just yet
[04:03] <capkirk> true ok, i will put that concept aside then.
[04:03] <stickystyle> you don't want to make the problem harder than it is
[04:03] <capkirk> there is one next issue thought... virtual machines.
[04:05] <twb> capkirk: http://paste.lisp.org/display/79118
[04:05] <stickystyle> that's another chapter in server design.
[04:05] <twb> That's with an overspecced CPU and an expensive case, though.
[04:06] <twb> I also didn't bother to check for gigE NIC.
[04:06] <stickystyle> twb: I havn't seen a board that didn't come with GigE in a while.
[04:06] <twb> For a file server, a 64-bit Celeron D (if they still make those) would be sufficient.
[04:08] <capkirk> current server we running is p4 3.2G 3G ram with 1x250Gb drive W2K server
[04:08] <capkirk> i loaded vmware 2.0 onto it and killed it...
[04:08] <capkirk> so i took it off again
[04:08] <stickystyle> Well it's nearly midnight over here, I'm heading to bed.  Best of luck capkirk
[04:08] <capkirk> thanks for ur help, appreciate it
[04:09] <twb> capkirk: I assumed you needed a new motherboard because you said your current ones only had PATA.
[04:09] <capkirk> twb, that price looks good
[04:10] <capkirk> yes, in the *old* pcs that i am trying to work with...
[04:10] <capkirk> our current server hardware would be fine to run a new setup of ubuntu, but it is our production server?
[04:10] <capkirk> i would like to run new server in parallel for some time to migrate
[04:15] <twb> I understand, and that's a reasonable requirement.
[04:21] <capkirk> heres another thought.....
[04:22] <capkirk> would mdraid work with usb attached storage devices?
[04:25] <capkirk> if so, i could build a server from older PATA machine with attached usb storage which could later be used as backup devices....
[04:25] <twb> capkirk: you REALLY, REALLY do not want to do RAID over usb mass storage.
[04:25] <twb> Unless it was for a purely temporary measure.
[04:26] <twb> Where temporary means "to get the data from one machine to another" not "for six months of production use"
[04:29]  * |dthacker| seconds twb's sentiments
[04:30] <capkirk> ok,, thanks for the heads up there...
[04:31] <capkirk> as i need to purchase usb external drives for use as backup units anyway, i can still use them as single attached drives to an older machine running as temporary server
[04:31] <capkirk> during the migration stage...
[04:34] <twb> capkirk: you can get an external enclosure that takes a standard SATA drive
[04:34] <twb> It just bridges SATA to USB
[04:35] <twb> This allows you to be more flexible than if you get a disk-and-enclosure-in-one USB drive
[04:47] <capkirk> isnt that all the pre packed modules are anyway?
[04:47] <capkirk> or do you mean like an enclosure that houses more than 1 physical drive?
[04:47] <twb> Broadly, yes, though many are 2.5" not 3.5", and you may not be able to open up the enclosure.
[04:49] <Billiard26> after upgrading to 9.04 I can't get phpmyadmin to let me login, I get "Access denied", everything else using mysql works fine
[04:49] <capkirk> true that... i remember dropping one and it stopped working.. i had to break the case to retrieve the drive (which was still okay, just the controller card was broken)
[04:52] <capkirk> twb: point noted re usb drive size, but as I intend to use them as individual backup drive in the future, i dont think its internal design is an issue? what do u think?
[04:52] <twb> capkirk: it only matters if you wanted to use your fileserver's SATA disks prior to deployment in the enclosures, and then repurpose them into the fileserver.
[04:53] <twb> Or similarly, to put your old PATA workstation disks into the enclosures for small storage.
[04:53] <ScottK> foxbuntu: No.  I don't have ops rights on an Ubuntu IRC channels.  If you need an op you can go to #ubuntu-ops and find one there.
[04:54] <ScottK> foxbuntu: I also agree you were correct.
[04:54] <capkirk> ok, i'll need to give that some more thought.
[04:56] <capkirk> twb: do you know anything about xen?
[04:56] <twb> Nope, sorry.
[04:56] <capkirk> kk...
[05:24] <VK7HSE1> Would any one have a clue as to why I can't login to my server via ssh since I've updated to jaunty? My ssh is configured to use certificate authorisation, the public keys haven't changed... is there a new place for the keys to be stored?
[05:25] <VK7HSE1> other than the standard ~/.ssh/authorised_keys
[06:23] <ar> Hello =o)
[06:32] <ScottK> VK7HSE1: Use SELinux?
[06:32] <ar> are most of the commands we use in theterminal for Ubuntu OS similar to OSX?
[06:33] <VK7HSE1> ScottK thanks will look into that,,,
[06:33] <ScottK> VK7HSE1: We don't run it by default, so unless you installed it you aren't.
[06:35] <VK7HSE1> ScottK ok... I think it could be related to the encrypted /home too So I'll keep checking!
[06:36] <Padhu> Ubuntians, I installed sshd in my desktop. whenever i try to get the file from my desktop using other linux machine, after 60kb it is stalled. But ping response is ok.
[06:37] <VK7HSE1> My server is not on a remote site it lives here with me! so this is not critical! :)
[06:37] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365872 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "Failed to start MySQL database server mysqld on install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365872
[06:37] <andol> VK7HSE1: https://answers.launchpad.net/ecryptfs/+question/67703
[06:45] <VK7HSE1> andol: Thanks...
[06:47] <ar> Hi =o)
[07:00] <VK7HSE1> Problem solved!... :D
[07:02] <VK7HSE1> Some how the User authorised keys file reference got a typo in it (???)
[07:09] <VK7HSE1> needed to change StrictModes yes to StrictModes no (I'm not 100% sure what impact that has?)
[07:16] <capkirk> does gigabit ethernet run over cat5e?
[07:16] <maswan> yes
[07:16] <capkirk> cool......
[07:16] <maswan> it runs over most but not all cat5 too..
[07:17] <capkirk> is it worth the transition.. from 100mb...?
[07:17] <capkirk> just need to get a gigabit switch i guess
[07:17] <simplexio> probably yes
[07:17] <simplexio> some basic gigabit switch cost something like 20e or like
[07:18] <capkirk> i am just xfer 12gb file from workstation to server.... says it will take about 20 mins!!!! .. life is too short for that
[07:18] <capkirk> ok, good.  i am into basic, simple easy and it works.!
[07:18] <simplexio> if harddrives can keep up, then its good improvement
[07:19] <capkirk> yes, hard drives on my system are not overworked, so should not be a problem there
[07:19] <simplexio> in use case where several workstations transfer data to server upgrading only server conenction and switch will boost performance alot
[07:20] <simplexio> even on 1-1 system its noticable improvement
[07:20] <simplexio> and if you happen to have 2GbitLan cards in both server and workstation you can easily bond those interfaces to souble speed one more time
[07:21] <capkirk> i was thinking of gigaswitch with multiple servers (and my workstation) connected to regular 100mb switch and rest of network... (about 35 workstations)
[07:21] <foxbuntu> simplexio, could install an atm card as well, then that 12G file wont take long
[07:21] <foxbuntu> ;)
[07:21] <capkirk> i am not familiar with the concept of 'bonding', but i have seen it mentioned a bit lately

[07:21] <capkirk> atm?
[07:22] <simplexio> atm?
[07:22] <simplexio> no familiar with that term
[07:22] <foxbuntu> sorry, its a common card in large ISP back bones
[07:23] <capkirk> sounds like out of my budget range too then  :)
[07:23] <hads> s/card/protocol/
[07:23] <foxbuntu> hads, yes sorry
[07:23]  * foxbuntu maintains hads to correct my brain lapses
[07:24] <foxbuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_Transfer_Mode
[07:24] <simplexio> hmm.. is there allready those 10G ethernet cards, or does sthose speeds need that infinity or what it was cards
[07:24] <foxbuntu> simplexio, that infiband, and that not NIC
[07:25] <foxbuntu> however there are 10G NICs
[07:26] <simplexio> foxbuntu: but you can use infiband to handle ip traffic .. im pretty sure about it. newer seen one
[07:27] <foxbuntu> simplexio, it is indeed possible, but its not a NIC card
[07:28] <foxbuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfiniBand
[07:28] <foxbuntu> its normally used for local attached NAS devices
[07:30] <capkirk> u guys know anything about ata over ethernet?
[07:32] <foxbuntu> capkirk, can't say I am, but I am reading about it right now
[07:33] <simplexio> im intrested about it too.. can you share crypted software raid5 over ata ethernet
[07:33] <capkirk> i have read stuff, but cant seems to grasp its application...
[07:33] <capkirk> like, a scenario of where it can be used, and why u would?
[07:34] <foxbuntu> capkirk, well its to allow you to build a poor mans NAS
[07:34] <simplexio> its idea is remove need for network file systems. so it appear only as "local" harddrive
[07:34] <capkirk> cool... thats me!! :)
[07:35] <simplexio> im moustly playing with my home server currently and its pain to share data over net and keep permission right, without installing something bigger system like ldap or so
[07:35] <foxbuntu> well there is a real down fall to the system however, you can only transmit the AoE packets within a single network, routers strip the proto
[07:35] <capkirk> so, if i had a machine running ubuntu server with a couple of hdds in it, then i could access them from another (directly connected over ethernet) computer
[07:35] <simplexio> capkirk: yes..
[07:36] <foxbuntu> that would be over kill
[07:36] <simplexio> foxbuntu: have you knowledge how its works with software raid and dmcrypt
[07:36] <capkirk> why?
[07:36] <foxbuntu> there are several (imo) better ways to do that
[07:36] <capkirk> u still need a host system for the hdds?
[07:37] <capkirk> im interested... i am trying to design a NAS type scalable storage system...
[07:37] <foxbuntu> capkirk, OpenNAS, or similar could do just that if you want a dedicated NAS and it doesnt have the routing limitations, or NFS/SMB on your Ubuntu device
[07:38] <capkirk> is OpenNAS an add on to ubuntu, or a specialised install for the NAS computer
[07:38] <foxbuntu> simplexio, im not sure on the raid + dmcrypt, however I don't think it would affect it because it resides on the ethernet layer. not with tcp/udp (ect)
[07:38] <foxbuntu> capkirk, it is its own distro
[07:39] <capkirk> ok!! now we talking,  sounds like what i been looking for
[07:39] <foxbuntu> capkirk, http://www.freenas.org/
[07:39] <capkirk> so roughly how does a network attached server connect to the NAS server
[07:39] <simplexio> foxbuntu: ata -> sw raid5 -> dmcrypt -> linux vm -> net filesystem . is data flow now i think
[07:40] <capkirk> like the main file server
[07:40] <foxbuntu> simplexio, that likely wouldnt work with AoE then
[07:40] <simplexio> but thats just educated quess how things work.
[07:41] <foxbuntu> simplexio, AoE controls the hardware layer, its kind of like the way WoL works
[07:41] <foxbuntu> sending magic packets to the "NAS" device to trigger read/write operations
[07:43] <foxbuntu> simplexio, it wouldnt get you around permissions
[07:44] <simplexio> well it would, kinda. every user have same uig/guid in both machines
[07:44] <foxbuntu> capkirk, with your choice of protos like NFS, or Samba
[07:44] <simplexio> i didnt get samba/nfs  work with acls
[07:44] <foxbuntu> simplexio, yeah, but you could accomplish that with /etc//fstab to a samba or nfs mount as well
[07:44] <capkirk> ok, i am testing samba at the moment, and i like it so far, so i would run samba on the front end server and opennas on the storage server?
[07:45] <simplexio> foxbuntu: thats good idea
[07:45] <capkirk> will opennas provide software raid?
[07:45] <simplexio> well its just my own home server which i use store data and test new ideas
[07:45] <foxbuntu> capkirk, uh, sort of. samba is what will create the shares on the OpenNAS server, and the clients will connect to the samba shares
[07:46] <simplexio> capkirk: and if you plan store anything importand data i recommend raid1 or raid5
[07:46] <foxbuntu> capkirk, I think they support LVM
[07:46] <capkirk> so is samba running on the nas server or the front end application server?
[07:46] <foxbuntu> simplexio, RAID strategy depends on usage,
[07:47] <foxbuntu> capkirk, on the naw device
[07:47] <foxbuntu> s/naw/NAS
[07:47] <capkirk> ok, so is there any need for a front end server?
[07:47] <foxbuntu> capkirk, what do you mean frontend server?
[07:48] <foxbuntu> capkirk, its a standalone device, you just connect other machines to it to access the data
[07:48] <foxbuntu> capkirk, thats was a NAS is
[07:48] <capkirk> ok... like i guess if i wanted to run an alfresco server.... application on a front end server, data on the nas server?
[07:49] <foxbuntu> capkirk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage
[07:49] <foxbuntu> capkirk, yes, that would be possible
[07:50] <capkirk> data storage is my main concern and the moment, so attach a NAS, then any computer, whether it be server or workstation can access shares on the nas as data storage
[07:51] <foxbuntu> you got it
[07:51] <capkirk> user home folders can be directly on the nas?
[07:51] <foxbuntu> anything you like
[07:51] <capkirk> and then I can run a server like zimbra with the data stored on the nas
[07:52] <foxbuntu> anything you like
[07:52] <capkirk> i think i am understanding it now...
[07:52] <capkirk> then for data backup, just backup the nas machine
[07:53] <foxbuntu> :)
[07:53] <capkirk> nas machine hardware could be put toghether fairly cheaply with software raid then.  sounds good to me
[07:53] <foxbuntu> if the data is important, don't use software raid
[07:54] <hads> Bah
[07:54] <hads> Nothing wrong with software RAID
[07:54] <foxbuntu> haha
[07:54] <simplexio> sw raid5 is nice
[07:54] <_ruben> if the data is important, make backups often :)
[07:54] <capkirk> because i cant afford hw raid, do u suggest no raid at all, and regular backups?
[07:54] <simplexio> raid dosent replace backups
[07:54] <_ruben> raid is no alternative for backups
[07:54] <hads> RAID is for uptime, backups are backups.
[07:55] <foxbuntu> capkirk, no go ahead with sw raid if you cant do hw raid
[07:55] <capkirk> i agree
[07:55] <simplexio> capkirk: well then attleast raid1
[07:55] <_ruben> well .. raid0 aint raid
[07:55] <foxbuntu> hads, while true, sw raid is not == hw raid
[07:55] <capkirk> i will be doing backups for sure... raid is there simply to ensure uptime if a drive fails
[07:55] <simplexio> and ups for server is just a good idea is mandatory
[07:55] <_ruben> and adds performance (under most circumstances)
[07:56] <hads> foxbuntu: Why, except for battery backup?
[07:56] <simplexio> could someone explain why ppl talk about battery back up hw raid cards.. dosent ups do just that
[07:56] <foxbuntu> hads, write cacheing, i/o offloading...
[07:57] <foxbuntu> hads, RAID controllers are far more reliable than sw RAID
[07:57] <_ruben> simplexio: battery for raid card is far cheaper than a ups
[07:57] <chazco> Hi... when I install phpmyadmin on 9.04 there are prompts about dbconfig... anyone know what should be selected?
[07:57] <_ruben> simplexio: and servers can crash, ups wont help
[07:57] <foxbuntu> _ruben, thats not the reason for the battery on the card
[07:58] <simplexio> ah. so battery on raid card makes sure that all stuff whats in raid card will go to disks
[07:58] <foxbuntu> there it is
[07:58] <foxbuntu> :)
[07:58] <_ruben> thats the technical use of it
[07:58] <foxbuntu> in the event of power failure the card has time to send all of its write cache to disk
[07:58] <_ruben> i described the events where you'd need it :)
[07:58] <hads> I dunno, I don't see the big deal about hardware RAID myself.
[07:59] <foxbuntu> hads, I do on a dialy basis
[07:59] <hads> *shrug*
[07:59] <_ruben> a good hardware raid card has much better performance than software raid
[07:59] <_ruben> crappy "hardware" raid cards are outperformed by linux' software raid though
[07:59] <simplexio> _ruben: offcourse it has. but software raid is faster than one hardisk
[08:00] <foxbuntu> and your RAID can be rebuilt if the software is hosed :)
[08:00] <_ruben> simplexio: usualy it is indeed
[08:00] <simplexio> offcourse raid level limitations affect it
[08:00] <_ruben> raid level + cpu power + bus bandwidth
[08:02] <foxbuntu> well, time for bed here
[08:02] <foxbuntu> night guys
[08:04] <capkirk> bye
[08:04] <capkirk> thanks for ur help
[08:46] <beniwtv> hi all... can anyone tell me what's wrong with this proftpd <limit> block? http://pastebin.com/m6c0860a3  I want to restrict my users from uploading or changing files in the invoices directory they have, but it doesn't work.
[09:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365915 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.15-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365915
[09:05] <Chipzz> beniwtv: dunnow the exact proftpd syntax, but wouldn't you need Order there too?
[09:05] <Chipzz> Order Deny, Allow
[09:05] <Chipzz> ?
[09:07] <beniwtv> Chipzz: From what I've read, no. But you never know :/
[09:07] <Chipzz> if it's anything like apache syntax (which it looks like), that would make sense
[09:14] <beniwtv> Chipzz: I have tried to remove the allow, but still the same
[09:15] <beniwtv> :(
[09:17] <cybersplice> Hey folks. Does anyone use heartbeat/pacemaker under 9.04?
[10:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365962 in samba (main) "Samba failed to install correctly 8.10 - 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365962
[11:39] <incorrect> hello, I would like to build a new boot kernel for the netboot install, as it doesn't work for core i7 it seems
[12:03] <blizzkid> lol all. anyone tried a server upgrade from intrepid to jaunty yet?
[12:03] <blizzkid> s/lol/lo
[12:10] <_ruben> i did awhile (pre-final) ago .. went without a hitch
[12:23] <blizzkid_> lo all... can't you do-release-upgrade from intrepid to jaunty??
[12:24] <|dthacker|> blizzkid_: yes, you should.  Are you encountering problems?
[12:25]  * |dthacker| is planning to do 2 boxes this weekend
[12:25] <blizzkid_> |dthacker|: yeah, but it was a routing issue... I was confused by the message "no upgrade available"
[12:26] <|dthacker|> that would do it.. :)
[12:26] <blizzkid_> upgrading node1 of my cluster right now :)
[13:11] <ivoks> for the first time in histroy, on the ubuntu 9.04 launch day, microsoft announced >30% drop in revenue :)
[13:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ivoks, has canonical reported a >30% increase? ;)
[13:12] <blizzkid_> hmmz... I set screen to start at login, but it doesn't start at login?
[13:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> blizzkid_, how did you set it to start?
[13:13] <blizzkid_> Kamping_Kaiser: through the menu
[13:13]  * Kamping_Kaiser assumes this is a new ubuntu thing
[13:13] <ivoks> Kamping_Kaiser: canonical doesn't have stock holders to report its cash flow
[13:13] <ivoks> Kamping_Kaiser: on the other hand, at the same time, apple announced 17% rise
[13:13] <blizzkid_> Kamping_Kaiser: it's indeed a new feature in jaunty
[13:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ivoks, not sure I'm happy with that as a compromise :)
[13:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ivoks, going back to your OP, yes, good news :)
[13:16] <blizzkid_> kirkland not here by any chance?
[13:18] <henkjan> ivoks: url?
[13:19] <ivoks> henkjan: for what?
[13:19] <henkjan> ivoks: that microsoft announcement
[13:19] <ivoks> http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/apr/23/microsoft-revenue-plunges
[13:21] <ivoks> there are also 'bad' news:
[13:21] <ivoks> But the company's server and tools business fared better, with a 7% increase in revenue to $3.46bn
[13:22] <ivoks> take care...
[13:30] <blizzkid> oops
[13:31] <|dthacker|> oops?
[13:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #366044 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "MySQL upgrade failed when updating to 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366044
[13:32] <|dthacker|> hmmm, I'll have to watch that, I'm upgrading LAMP servers
[13:35] <m11> hello
[13:58] <jmalinens> Hi! I have fresh ubuntu 8.04 LTS + virtualmin. Why I can not access my main domain name mysite.org but www.mysite.org works? Thank You!
[13:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmalinens, you havent set up your www. dns entry?
[14:01] <blizzkid> uhoh... I messed up my cluster
[14:02] <axisys> i have apticron running... but it is not suggesting to upgrade my server to 9.04 .. i am runing intrepid server per lsb_release -a
[14:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> axisys, it probably isnt configured to suggest upgrading to new releases
[14:03] <jpds> Hey there Karl.
[14:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> jpds, hi mate. hows it going?
[14:05] <DSpair> Good morning all.
[14:05] <DSpair> Does anyone have link to an article about setting up Xen on Jaunty Server?
[14:06] <jpds> I don't think there's been Xen support since Hardy.
[14:06] <DSpair> I have installed all of the Xen packages (including the Hypervisor), but how do I bootstrap the dom0 kernel?
[14:06] <DSpair> jpds:  So, I would have to compile my own Xen kernel then?
[14:06] <jpds> Yes.
[14:06] <DSpair> K, will do.
[14:06] <jpds> KVM is what's supported.
[14:07] <DSpair> Thanks.
[14:07] <DSpair> KVM is too slow for our workloads.
[14:08] <DSpair> IS KVM going to support paravirtualization soon?
[14:09] <axisys> Kamping_Kaiser: how do I upgrade to latest server from 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[14:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> !upgrade
[14:10] <axisys> Kamping_Kaiser: thnx
[14:10] <DSpair> axisys:  Using a text editor, modify the /etc/apt/sources.list file and replace all instances of "intrepid" with "jaunty", then save the file and run "sudo aptitude update", then run "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[14:10] <cybersplice2> I don't suppose anyone uses Heartbeat / Pacemaker for clustering, do they?
[14:11] <axisys> DSpair: thnx
[14:11] <DSpair> axisys:  NP
[14:11] <jmalinens> Kamping_Kaiser: I have setup DNS. I get error 500...
[14:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmalinens, internal server error? check your httpd logs
[14:12] <jmalinens> no errors there...
[14:13] <jmalinens> only in access log I can see error 500 but in error log nothing (I have error_all + log_errors on)
[14:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> turn up your logging. perhaps to loglevel debug
[14:15] <W8TAH> hi folks -- was just checking out my log server and noticed a bunch of errors from one of my file servers - smbd is trying to make connections to cups for some reason -- cups is not installed and all the cups parts of smb.conf are commented out -- i dont think its really hurting anything other than garbaging up my log files -- an anyone suggest a fix?
[14:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> W8TAH, check if smb is advertising printer services to the network
[14:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> W8TAH, btw, QTH?
[14:17] <W8TAH> Kamping_Kaiser: Medina Ohio -- EN91bd
[14:17] <W8TAH> Kamping_Kaiser: how would i check that
[14:17] <W8TAH> ?
[14:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> W8TAH, no idea about smb sorry, I avoid it (I just have a vague concept of what it might be doing)
[14:19] <W8TAH> no worries -- all i use it for is letting windows machines connect
[14:19] <W8TAH> :)
[14:19] <W8TAH> thanks
[14:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> np, good luck with your search :)
[14:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if i have ax5foss registered, I get to use it in 10 min
[14:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, just got vk5foss.
[14:23] <chazco> Hi... when I install phpmyadmin on 9.04 there are prompts about dbconfig... anyone know what should be selected or if its safe to just enter no?
[14:24] <orudie> chazco-> fresh install or update ?
[14:24] <chazco> orudie - Fresh install (never do upgrades)
[14:25] <orudie> chazco-> well its asking you to automatically create a database for you right ?
[14:25] <kirkland> blizzkid: here now
[14:25] <blizzkid> hey ppl I need some help here... I messed up my cluster and I need it to be fixed urgently
[14:25] <chazco> Yep, but its not something its ever done before so its a bit unusual
[14:25] <blizzkid> kirkland: I just wanted to ask you if you had any idea why screen wouldn't start on login?
[14:26] <chazco> (mysql and apache2 were installed by the tasksel lamp method)
[14:26] <kirkland> blizzkid: what shell are you using?
[14:26] <blizzkid> zsh kirkland
[14:26] <orudie> chazco-> i did the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 so i chose NO, since my databases are already configured, you should select Y
[14:26] <DSpair> blizzkid:  What's up?
[14:26] <kirkland> blizzkid: does zsh respect .profile?
[14:27] <DSpair> kirkland:  I don't believe so.
[14:27] <blizzkid> DSpair: I upgraded from Intrepid to Jaunty, now my /data0 is gone... /data0 was ocfs on drbd
[14:27] <chazco> orudie - Ok... where will this database end up (doesnt seem to be a mysql one)
[14:27] <blizzkid> not sure kirkland I'll look into that
[14:27] <kirkland> blizzkid: cool, thanks.  please open a bug against screen-profiles with your findings
[14:27] <blizzkid> will do so :)
[14:27] <DSpair> blizzkid:  Hmmm . . . I got no experience with Oracle's cluster filesystem. I would say that the drivers would need to be re-built/re-installd.
[14:27] <orudie> chazco-> no it should be mysql, you are installing LAMP right ?
[14:27] <kirkland> blizzkid: i can special case zsh, if you can show me what's the equivalent of .profile
[14:28] <blizzkid> DSpair: I'd expect it do be in the upgrade?
[14:28] <DSpair> blizzkid:  Is ocfs included in Ubuntu?
[14:28] <chazco> orudie - Yep, mysql is already installed and working...
[14:29] <W8TAH> hi folks -- was just checking out my log server and noticed a bunch of errors from one of my file servers - smbd is trying to make connections to cups for some reason -- cups is not installed and all the cups parts of smb.conf are commented out -- i dont think its really hurting anything other than garbaging up my log files -- an anyone suggest a fix?
[14:29] <DSpair> blizzkid:  I guess it is... Hmmm . . .
[14:29] <orudie> chazco-> the prompt is just to make your life easier with interractive install to get phpmyadmin working in seconds, without having do it manually
[14:30] <blizzkid> kirkland: there is /etc/zprofile
[14:30] <DSpair> blizzkid:  Well, I'm out of my depth here. Lemme see what I can find on Google.
[14:30] <chazco> orudie - So has something changed since 8.10? Back then it was just a case of install phpmyadmin and select apache2... Seems to work anyway. Thanks :)
[14:30] <orudie> i look at it that way anyway chazco
[14:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> blizzkid, why dont you use screen as your shell?
[14:30] <kirkland> blizzkid: that's system wide.  what about per-user, in $HOME?
[14:31] <blizzkid> nah, only .zshrc
[14:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> and then set screen to fire up zsh
[14:31] <blizzkid> Kamping_Kaiser: would that work?
[14:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> blizzkid, yes.
[14:31] <orudie> chazco-> i didnt upgrade my production box yet, only my other personal one , and so far i didnt notice anything big, but you should have chose the ext4 file system thats the major change i hear
[14:32] <chazco> I meant specific to phpmyadmin
[14:32] <DSpair> blizzkid:  It would likely work, but I recommend against it. If you try to use something like "sftp" or "rsync" over SSH, using screen as part of your default environment will prevent those tools from working.
[14:32] <orudie> chazco-> i haven't even tried to access it after the update, let me try now
[14:32] <blizzkid> DSpair: ok, I'll just not do that then :)
[14:33] <blizzkid> grmblz... damn cluster
[14:33] <DSpair> blizzkid:  Is there anything in dmesg which says that the driver loaded successfully?
[14:33] <chazco> Just this dbconfig stuff is all new... previously nothing like that was needed
[14:33] <orudie> i didnt have to do anything chazco
[14:34] <orudie> chazco-> and it works, with a new interface
[14:34] <blizzkid> DSpair: drbd is loaded according to lsmod
[14:34] <chazco> hmm... i wonder if its not detecting mysql or something then at install time... thanks anyway orudie
[14:34] <orudie> chazco-> np
[14:34] <DSpair> blizzkid:  Did the upgrade make any changes to your .conf files?
[14:34] <chazco> Selected "No" on the test machine and that works at least. Thanks :)
[14:35] <blizzkid> DSpair: I kept the original ones
[14:35] <DSpair> blizzkid:  Also, did the "ocfs2" modules load?
[14:36] <blizzkid> yes DSpair
[14:36] <DSpair> blizzkid:  Well, that's the extent of what I've found on Google then.
[14:37] <blizzkid> why did I upgrade again? lol
[14:37] <blizzkid> I lost my documentation bookmark too
[14:38] <blizzkid> so I don't remember the exact steps I followed
[14:38] <DSpair> blizzkid:  How about this link: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/heartbeat2-xen-cluster-with-drbd8-and-ocfs2.html
[14:40] <blizzkid> let me take a look DSpair
[14:41] <blizzkid> hmmz... I'm getting /dev/drbd0: Failure: (112) Meta device too small on one node now
[14:42] <cybersplice1> Damn. Exact same bug in Pacemaker as in Intrepid.
[14:45] <blizzkid> wtf... my /dev/md4 is gone
[14:45] <blizzkid> pardon my french
[14:53] <blizzkid> hmmmz.... sda7 is part of a raid array... which is normal
[14:53] <blizzkid> but... I can't access that raid array anymore
[14:59] <blizzkid> Is there any way to save my data from an linux_raid_member partition?
[15:01] <W8TAH> hi folks -- was just checking out my log server and noticed a bunch of errors from one of my file servers - smbd is trying to make connections to cups for some reason -- cups is not installed and all the cups parts of smb.conf are commented out -- i dont think its really hurting anything other than garbaging up my log files -- an anyone suggest a fix?
[15:03] <mrwes> looking for a how to on tweaking the .rtorrent.rc file
[15:05] <henriquelm> Hello there
[15:05] <henriquelm> I have just upgraded a ubuntu server from 8.10 to 9.04, and clients on the network can not print. can someone help me out?
[15:13] <sommer> henriquelm: do you have any errors in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/cups/error_log?
[15:13] <henriquelm> sommer, will check that
[15:20] <W8TAH> hi folks -- was just checking out my log server and noticed a bunch of errors from one of my file servers - smbd is trying to make connections to cups for some reason -- cups is not installed and all the cups parts of smb.conf are commented out -- i dont think its really hurting anything other than garbaging up my log files -- an anyone suggest a fix?
[15:23] <blizzkid> help me :)
[15:23] <blizzkid> I got /dev/md4 ... now I have /dev/md_d4 and /dev/md_d4p1
[15:23] <blizzkid> md4 had /dev/sda7 and /dev/sdb6
[15:24] <blizzkid> now if I look at /proc/mdstat I see /dev/md_d4 has /dev/sdb6
[15:30] <junix> i see to be having some issues setting up ProFTPd, i want to chroot some users and let others have full access, when i put in the option in the DefaultRoot ~,users,!elite-users and try to login, it goes all the way through it and says "Could not connect to server", Reverse DNS lookup is turned off.
[15:33] <atomic_1> junix: you might want to try #proftpd
[15:33] <junix> i did
[15:33] <junix> they were of no help and told me to RTFM, this is most likely a simple fix, i have been reseraching this for a while now...
[15:34] <atomic_1> after you made your changes to proftpd.conf, did you reload/restart the service ?
[15:35] <junix> yes
[15:35] <atomic_1> is it listening ? netstat -tlnp | grep proftpd
[15:35] <junix> no...
[15:35] <junix> weird...
[15:36] <atomic_1> check the logfiles (usually /var/log/proftpd)
[15:37] <junix> nothin there
[15:39] <atomic_1> what does it say when you do "/etc/init.d/proftpd restart"
[15:40] <junix> it restarts the service
[15:40] <junix> or it says it does
[15:40] <atomic_1> what port do you use ?
[15:40] <junix> 21
[15:41] <atomic_1> ftp localhost
[15:41] <atomic_1> netstat -tlnp | grep 21
[15:42] <junix> it looks like the server is not working properly
[15:42] <atomic_1> well if your conf file is borked, it shouldnt start
[15:42] <atomic_1> do you have a firewall ?
[15:42] <junix> no....
[15:43] <henriquelm_> sommer, I think it's something wrong with samba intead
[15:43] <atomic_1> pastebin your conf file, os & proftpd version
[15:43] <junix> ok
[15:43] <junix> 1 sec
[15:43] <junix> iptables was installed
[15:43] <junix> :-(
[15:43] <atomic_1> and iptables -L -nv for good measure
[15:44] <W8TAH> hi folks -- was just checking out my log server and noticed a bunch of errors from one of my file servers - smbd is trying to make connections to cups for some reason -- cups is not installed and all the cups parts of smb.conf are commented out -- i dont think its really hurting anything other than garbaging up my log files -- an anyone suggest a fix?
[15:47] <Hecate> junix, atomic_1: even if the netfilter was dropping any taffic outbound from/inbound to the ftp-server, it is still possible to open a listening socket, which should be listed by netstat.
[15:48] <Hecate> W8TAH, i've noticed that strange samba behaviour as well, since i've set up a samba server for testing only recently.
[15:48] <junix> atomic_1, Hecate: http://pastebin.com/m36d6ac2a
[15:48] <W8TAH> any solutions?
[15:48] <Hecate> junix, ServerType inetd
[15:48] <Hecate> thats your problem
[15:49] <junix> ok
[15:49] <junix> change to standalone?
[15:49] <Hecate> yeah. that should fix it.
[15:49] <atomic_1> yep
[15:49] <atomic_1> beat me to it
[15:49] <atomic_1> :)
[15:49] <Hecate> W8TAH, haven't spend any time on finding one.
[15:50] <Hecate> i wonder why ppl still use sth as useless as inetd, nowadays.
[15:50] <Hecate> (it's useless in my mind. other ppl might think differently)
[15:54] <junix> Hecate: i get this nowq
[15:54] <junix> Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server".
[15:56] <Hecate> now it's getting more difficult for me. i have never really used proftpd, in favor of vsftpd, which i again abandonned in favor of chrooted sftp using openssh's internal-sftp method.
[15:56] <Hecate> it might be the listening address.
[15:56] <junix> ok
[15:56] <junix> wait
[15:56] <Hecate> sure "DefaultAddress <IP_ADDRESS>" is one of the server's ip-addresses?
[15:56] <junix> my goal was to use chrooted sftp using openssh
[15:57] <junix> but i couldn't get it working...
[15:57] <atomic_1> is something else using port 21 ?
[15:57] <junix> i doubt it
[15:58] <atomic_1> did you install proftpd from repo ?
[15:58] <Hecate> w8 a sec
[15:58] <junix> ok
[15:58] <W8TAH> ok
[15:59] <Hecate> ok, junix, i stumbled upon  a very interesting article on www.debian-administration.org only recently. let me quickly get the url for you.
[15:59] <junix> oh ok
[15:59] <junix> thanks
[15:59] <junix> which is this in regards too
[16:00] <Hecate> junix: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/OpenSSH_SFTP_chroot_with_ChrootDirectory
[16:01] <junix> Hecate: i tried going through this...
[16:01] <Hecate> works perfectly for me. (despite some logging issues.)
[16:02] <Hecate> but?
[16:02] <Szernex> hi
[16:02] <junix> Hecate: here is what i didn't understand..why does it have to be internal-sftp, and will users from outside the network be able to access this?
[16:02] <Hecate> do you understand the basics on chrooting?
[16:03] <junix> yes]
[16:03] <Hecate> so in case the used an external sftp-server (which would have to be executed after the chroot()), its binary and all its dependencies would have to be inside the chroot.
[16:04] <Hecate> that's why the openssh devs included a sftp-server into the sshd-binary.
[16:04] <Hecate> now it can chroot itself and execute the sftp-server without needing any libs inside the chroot.
[16:04] <blizzkid> Where does ubuntu server get the md_d4 name from??? nothing in /etc/raidtab nothing in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[16:04] <blizzkid> it's driving me nuts
[16:05] <junix> Hecate: here is my dilema, i need to have all individual users go to their own home directory if i do this, is this possible?
[16:06] <Hecate> blizzkid, r you talking about the hostname?
[16:06] <blizzkid> Hecate: no raid device names
[16:06] <axisys> !update
[16:07] <Hecate> for security reasons, ssh refuses to chroot into a directory which the any user (but root, of course) has write access to.
[16:08] <junix> Hecate: yeah i need each user to be chrooted/jailed to their dir
[16:08] <Hecate> for security reasons that's not possible.
[16:08] <junix> :-(
[16:08] <junix> well then
[16:08] <junix> back to proftpd
[16:09] <Hecate> i tackled that issue by having a global sftp directory containing all user's home directories. that sftp directory is my chroot directory. i simply make sure that user's cannot access other user's home dirs by setting proper permissions.
[16:10]  * blizzkid is really stuck
[16:10] <Hecate> that global chroot dir is particularly important when one needs logging (otherwise it would be a very difficult task.
[16:10] <junix> Hecate: i can't do it for HIPPA reasons
[16:10] <Hecate> but i have to say the the openssh devs could have implemented the internal-sftp in a far better way.
[16:11] <incorrect> is using lh_config/build the right way to regenerate your own custom netboot.tar.gz?
[16:11] <junix> Hecate: i want as little work as possible...for if openssh does get to that point where everyone is chrooted, i can switch easily
[16:11] <Hecate> chrooting itself works. just not the way you know it from ftp ;)
[16:12] <Szernex> someone here who's experienced in creating a public share with samba (public in terms of no user/pass authentification with windows-machines)?
[16:12] <junix> Hecate: yeah
[16:13] <Hecate> junix, nonetheless, if you wanna go back to ftp, just make sure you use encryption. you surely know that sniffing on one's password data is a piece of cake when using the old-fashioned ftp-protocol.
[16:13] <junix> yeah
[16:13] <junix> that is why i'm implementing proftpd to use the mod_ssh with is
[16:13] <junix> it
[16:14] <Hecate> junix, "Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server"". could that have sth. to do with the listening address you set?
[16:14] <junix> shouldn't...
[16:15] <junix> proftpd is the only ftp installed
[16:15] <Hecate> so the server can be reached via <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:16] <junix> i'm ssh'ed into it
[16:16] <Hecate> when does the error occur?
[16:16] <junix> when i use filezilla from a windows box
[16:17] <Hecate> so, is proftpd listening, at all?
[16:17] <blizzkid> no-one experienced with software raid?
[16:17] <blizzkid> I'm completely stucj here
[16:18] <incorrect> i need to do a quick benchmark of my cpu
[16:18] <junix> Hecate: it doesn't look that way
[16:18] <Hecate> incorrect, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null bs=1K
[16:18] <Hecate> not multithreaded, however.
[16:19] <Hecate> junix, it doesn't "look" that way?
[16:19] <incorrect> Hecate, err that tests my disk io
[16:19] <junix> Hecate: no
[16:19] <junix> its not running
[16:19] <junix> when i do a netstat -an|grep <IP_ADDRESS>:21
[16:19] <junix> nothing comes up
[16:19] <Hecate> incorrect, no, it tests your processor, since the data is read from and written to memory/kernel/udev-only devices.
[16:20] <Hecate> and urandom's prng is very, very cpu-intensive.
[16:20] <incorrect> oh sorry i didn't read what you wrote
[16:20] <incorrect> duh i am stoopid
[16:21] <Hecate> junix, "netstat -lvveenpoA inet,inet6" and check for anything that sounds like port 21 or proftpd. don't use grep.
[16:22] <Hecate> then use (h)top to check if the proftpd-process is running. do also check the log, for anything suspicious.
[16:22] <Hecate> i hope you also restarted the server after changing the config. did the (re-)start command print out anything?
[16:24] <junix> i did
[16:24] <junix> nothing in the logs
[16:51] <incorrect> hmm, i guess lh_config -b net doesn't generate me a netboot release
[16:55] <ha1331> I managed to make my ubuntu server unbootable. The thing is, that I had my /boot on /dev/sdd2 and wanted to use /dev/sda2. I mounted the /dev/sda2, copied the contents of the orginal /boot to it. edited the /etc/fstab and did grub-install.... Now all that happens is that the machine boots to grub, and I can even select the image I want to use, like before, but it doesn't exist. I think that it still tries to use the /dev/sdd2 for /boot. Is ther
[16:57] <Gena01> hi, so I installed Ubuntu Server 9.04 yesterday, converting over from Mandriva, and now I am seeing something strange in the command-line.. when I do php -i | less arrrow keys don't work, but everything is fine when I do ls -alp |less
[16:58] <Gena01> This is the first time I see less behaving differently in various circumstances
[16:58] <Hecate> ha1331, since you moved the bood manager from one disk to another, did you adjust the hdd boot sequence?
[16:58] <Hecate> (in the bios)
[17:00] <ha1331> Hecate no need to, I'm pretty sure that the boot manager was installed to /dev/sda in the first place
[17:00] <ha1331> Hecate and also, it still loads the grub, even if the /dev/sdd isn't in the machine anymore
[17:01] <Hecate> alright. sure you adjusted the grub-config, so it's looking for the images on the right disk?
[17:02] <Hecate> that might be your issue.
[17:02] <ha1331> couldn't even find grub.conf anywhere
[17:02] <Hecate> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:02] <ha1331> hmm
[17:03] <Hecate> it's probaly looking for the images in a wrong place.
[17:03] <ha1331> not sure if I did that, but I'm thinking not, cause at some point I did see reference to (hd3,1) or similar
[17:03] <ha1331> can it be done from grub shell?
[17:03] <junix> Hecate: brb allergies attacking
[17:04] <Hecate> hay-fever? i h8 that crap. hit me pretty hard this summer, too.
[17:04] <ScottK> ha1331: It can.  Or you can boot a live CD.
[17:05] <ha1331> other question, can I use non-hotplug sata drive on HP Proliant ML350 G5. Manual states that one can use SATA drives, but can I use non hot-pluggable?
[17:05] <junix> Hecate: yeah
[17:05] <junix> Hecate: maple, rag-weedm pollken
[17:05] <Hecate> ha1331, you should even be able to do that on the fly using the grub-menu. (using the e-key, etc.)
[17:06] <Hecate> im not entirely sure, though
[17:07] <ha1331> maaaan, this surely is not my day...
[17:07] <junix> Hecate: port 21 is opened up on <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:08] <Hecate> sounds good. proftp being the application associated with it?
[17:08] <tclineks> how do i change to the virtual kernel? i installed it but it don't get an initrd image from it
[17:08] <junix> no
[17:08] <junix> inetd
[17:09] <ha1331> I even tried to do the root (hd0,1) and then setup(hd0). It seems not to find /boot/grub/stage1 but instead it finds /grub/stage1 and at the end it says succeeded... after reboot, still the same situation
[17:09] <Hecate> junix, if i were you, i'd drop that piece of s***.
[17:09] <junix> Hecate: what do you meanm?
[17:09] <Hecate> inetd
[17:09] <junix> i installed proftpd
[17:10] <junix> inetd is old...shouldn't it be xinetd?
[17:10] <Hecate> i prefer not using any inetd+derivates at all. just complicates things a lot.
[17:11] <junix> i see
[17:11] <Hecate> and with the internet being mroe and more hostile, inetd could pose a threat, as restarting deamons frequently makes them a possible point of assault for dos-attacks.
[17:11] <jcastro> iirc proftpd asks you a debconf question if you want standalone or whatever
[17:12] <orudie> is it possible to host own irc server ?
[17:12] <ha1331> orudie yes
[17:12] <orudie> any details on this ha1331 ?
[17:13] <teckfatt> hey, is that normal to have like 0.05% of error packets in a busy network/server?
[17:13] <incorrect> can anyone point me in the right direction to generate my own custom kernel and initrd for a pxe boot install?
[17:13] <junix> Hecate: i'm debating on going back to vsftpd....it was easier
[17:13] <Hecate> yes it is
[17:13] <ha1331> orudie: nope, never done that, but have used one that was hosted on computer at the end of DSL line
[17:13] <junix> but can't do as much
[17:14] <Hecate> junix, nowadays boxes do have such huge amounts of ram, that having deamons run all the time has advantages. decreases latency, saves i/o and cpu-time. inetd is in my opinion a relict from before the cold war. ;)
[17:15] <Hecate> junix, any features you'd miss on vsftpd?
[17:15] <ha1331> orudie http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=233146
[17:15] <junix> the mod_ssh
[17:16] <ha1331> orudie did Google: ubuntu irc-server install howto
[17:16] <Hecate> junix, what's it do?
[17:18] <junix> Hecate: it uses ssh to encrpyt the traffic...
[17:18] <Hecate> so it acts as if it were an ssh server?
[17:18] <junix> i think so
[17:18] <junix> havent set it up\
[17:19] <tclineks> how do i change to the -virtual kernel?
[17:19] <Hecate> not using the crappy port- and pasv-methods, which really suck ass, when it comes to routing the encrypted traffic back through one's firewall.
[17:19] <Hecate> that was one of my major reasons for switching to ssh.
[17:19] <junix> Hecate: agreed...
[17:19] <junix> Hecate: there is a Match user option for ssh....
[17:20] <junix> i'm wondering if that will work
[17:20] <Hecate> what?
[17:20] <junix> for openssh
[17:20] <junix> to do chrooting
[17:20] <Hecate> it does work. im currently using it.
[17:20] <junix> oh you are
[17:20] <Hecate> didnt we talk about that only an hour ago?
[17:20] <junix> i thought you were doing the Match group
[17:21] <junix> i would think there is a difference
[17:22] <tclineks> hm, sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.28-11-virtual did it
[17:23] <Hecate> junix, im using match group.
[17:23] <junix> ah ok
[17:23] <junix> yeah
[17:23] <Hecate> otherwise i could use ssh to admin my server anymore.
[17:24] <junix> hmmm
[17:27] <leonel> dovecot is not picking the arrived mail that is on  /var/spool/mail/username   this with  Jaunty ..
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[17:28] <Hecate> junix, another argument against using encrypted ftp: http://scary.beasts.org/security/CESA-2008-002.html and partially http://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-ftp-ssl-and-broken-interfaces.html (the last one really messes some things up with certain clients)
[17:29] <junix> Hecate: ok
[17:29] <Hecate> junix, i'd do a dpkg-reconfigure on proftpd and try to switch to standalone mode. dunno if it's possible and dunno if mod_ssh does what it pretends.
[17:29] <Hecate> if you want an emphasis on security you CANNOT use encrypted ftp.
[17:30] <junix> ok
[17:30] <junix> apprecaite it
[17:31] <Hecate> you're welcome
[17:31] <Hecate> so vsftpd is not an option and proftpd+mod_ssh only can case it does what i think it does.
[17:32] <junix> well vsftpd is an option still
[17:32] <junix> it will be the option if i can't get this working...
[17:32] <junix> i can still have ppl use ftp
[17:34] <Hecate> depending on how paranoid you are ;)
[17:34] <Hecate> just try to get proftpd working
[17:34] <Hecate> it appears to be the best solution, to me.
[17:49] <Hecate> junix, are you sure there is a mod_ssh for proftpd? all i stumbled upon so far, is mod_ssl.
[17:49] <junix> its on the website
[17:50] <ha1331> still no luck... Any ideas howto fix grub from grub shell? I think I need to modify menu.lst, like Hecate pointed out.
[17:51] <Hecate> junix, all google finds is mod_ssl or request for a mod_ssh on the forums, see for yourself: http://www.google.de/search?q=mod_ssh+site:proftpd.org&hl=de&start=0&sa=N
[17:53] <ha1331> would be awesome to fix permanently, but I would be satisfied if I could just get it to boot. I can re-install the whole system on later date
[17:54] <Hecate> there must be a method to fix it without a reinstall.
[17:55] <Hecate> lacking the knowledge on how to do it with the grub shell id just use a live cd
[17:55] <ha1331> Hecate: I bet there is, but I'm feeling bit too simple to achieve that :). LiveCd isn't an option currently, there is no CD-drive at the moment
[17:57] <junix> Hecate: i have to create a ssl cert like i would for mod_ssl on apache
[17:57] <junix> geez
[17:58] <Hecate> so it's probably just encrypted ftp.
[17:58] <Hecate> ha1331, maybe a bootable usb stick?
[17:59] <ha1331> Hecate :D that sound's like an all nighter
[18:00] <Hecate> not at all. since intrepid ubuntu's capable of converting an iso image into a bootable usb-stick in a jiffy.
[18:00] <Hecate> system > administration > create usb startup disk
[18:01] <Hecate> if that's not an option either, i'm afraid you'll have to find out how to do it, yourself.
[18:01] <Hecate> maybe #grub ?
[18:01] <ha1331> Hecate haha, awesome. Found cd-drive!
[18:02] <ha1331> Hecate so, what should I burn on a cd? Normal installation cd or something else?
[18:03] <Hecate> the common live-cd should do it.
[18:04] <ha1331> Hecate: And you think that I can fix the issue using it?
[18:04] <Hecate> (idea: what about just plugging the disk into another computer?)
[18:04] <ha1331> Hecate only windows machines availeable
[18:04] <Hecate> that sucks
[18:04] <ha1331> Hecate Amen to that
[18:04] <Hecate> yes, i think it should be possible.
[18:05] <ha1331> Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop (the latest version) this is what I need?
[18:05] <Hecate> what's the server running?
[18:06] <ha1331> 9.04 server
[18:06] <Hecate> yes, go for 9.04 desktop then.
[18:06] <Hecate> make sure you choose the same architecture.
[18:07] <Hecate> 32bit live-cd + chrooting into 64bit-system + exec'ing grub-install/update-grub ain't such a good idea.
[18:11] <Hecate> i'll be right back - hopefully. upgrading to jaunty.
[18:11] <infinity> ha1331: You can just edit the grub command line from the boot menu, if it's just menu.lst that's broken.
[18:11] <infinity> ha1331: No need for rescue CDs for that.
[18:11] <infinity> ha1331: Select the boot stanza you want, hit "e" for edit, and fix it to be correct, then boot.
[18:14] <ha1331> infinity not sure what to fix
[18:17] <infinity> ha1331: Depends on what's going wrong, I suppose.  Bad path (superfluous /boot in the kernel path can happen, if you grub-install on a partition when it's not listed in fstab/mtab at the time), bad hd() specification, etc.
[18:18] <infinity> ha1331: But all of that can be mangled from the boot menu... Assuming you're getting a menu at all.
[18:18] <infinity> ha1331: If you're not getting to a stage2 menu, then you have bigger problems and, yes, need to fix it from a rescue CD or the like.
[18:20] <embrik> I want all my 100 workstations to shut down at 1800 each night. Therefore I made a crontab with this line in it: 00 18 * * * halt -p But nothing happened.
[18:20] <anthony1x> is it a good idea to run HIDSs and NIDSs and similar software also on _desktop_ linux systems? or does it only make sense to do that on servers?
[18:25] <bn43> hi I'd like to know how far the ubuntu server for small business coming along?  I read about an smeserver type server?
[18:44] <stickystyle> embrik: did you put the shutdown in a crontab that has permissions to shutdown? e.g. /etc/cron.d or root's crontab
[18:46] <bn43> hi I'd like to know how far the ubuntu server for small business coming along?  I read about an smeserver type server?
[18:52] <stickystyle> bn43: I'm not aware of anyone working on it (not that I have any inside knowledge), it has been brought up a few times on the ubuntu-server mailing list - but I don't think anyone has started building something.  But I may be wrong.
[18:52] <NCommander> bn43: smeserver?
[18:53] <stickystyle> bn43: your talking about this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmallBusinessServer right?
[18:53] <bn43> stickystyle: yes! that one
[18:54] <bn43> NCommander: www.contribs.org
[18:55] <stickystyle> bn43: yeah, looking at the wiki page it doesn't look like anyone has really started to run with the idea past brainstorming.
[18:56] <bn43> thats a shame! I was hoping shuttleworth would put some investment behind that - there's a real demand for it
[18:57] <ivoks> which one?
[18:57] <yann2> bn43 > what do you think would be the benefits over the standard ubuntu server?
[18:58] <stickystyle> bn43: Don't quote me on any of this though, someone may be doing it.  Im just a guy that reads mailing lists and wikis ;)
[18:58] <bn43> yann2: simple easy setup like smeserver
[18:59] <bn43> easy coniguration and administration for the non-tech savvy
[19:00] <yann2> you want an active directory + exchange + sharepoint + mssql all on one server? I hope you got plans for good backup :)
[19:12] <ball> Does Ubuntu Server make use of SpeedStep (where present)?
[19:13] <ivoks> 9.04 yes
[19:14] <ball> ivoks: thanks
[19:15] <ball> ivoks: is that also true for CnQ on AMD gear?
[19:15] <ivoks> should be, yes
[19:15] <ivoks> i haven't tested it on amd
[19:15] <ball> okay, I'll give that a try when I have appropriate hardware to hand.
[19:16] <ivoks> ball: it should work, it's based on the same technology as desktop version
[19:16] <ivoks> uh... buzzwords :)
[19:16] <ball> ivoks: I'm just getting into the desktop version.
[19:17] <ball> ivoks: I've been running the server for a while, but still haven't learned much about it.  For my purposes it JustWorks[tm]
[19:17] <ivoks> ball: kirkland made an effort of making 9.04 as green as possible
[19:17] <ball> ivoks: is it possible to upgrade an 8.10 server to 9.04 in-situ, without reinstalling?
[19:17] <ivoks> ball: so, hibernating and suspending servers is supported on hardware that supports it
[19:17] <ivoks> ball: yes, run do-release-upgrade
[19:18] <ball> Okay, let me try to ssh in now.
[19:18] <ivoks> you'll need one reboot at the end of the process
[19:18]  * kirkland hugs a tree, and ivoks
[19:19]  * ivoks awwww...
[19:19] <ball> I think that's another good reason to give Ubuntu Server serious consideration.
[19:20] <ivoks> sure is
[19:20] <ball> I wish I'd partitioned this server differently, it would have eased the migration to Ubuntu
[19:20] <ivoks> ball: if you have ipmi card in your server, that would round up whole thing
[19:20] <ivoks> no space? :)
[19:20] <ball> Is ipmi LOM?
[19:21] <ivoks> yes
[19:21] <ball> ivoks: we have three drives and the man from HP said that RAID-1 was "impossible"
[19:21] <ball> ...so we have RAID-5
[19:21] <ivoks> well raid1 is impossible with three drives
[19:22] <ball> ivoks: it's not, but even if I had to pull one of the drives I would rather we did that
[19:22] <ball> (that's why I ordered three drives in the first place)
[19:22] <ivoks> well, you can do raid11
[19:22] <ball> You can have the mirror + one hot standby
[19:22] <ball> (with three)
[19:22] <ivoks> oh... or that
[19:24] <ball> How well does Ubuntu work with an HP SmartArray E200 RAID board?
[19:25] <ivoks> very well
[19:26] <ball> Will I be able to ask Ubuntu about the health of each drive?
[19:26] <ball> (and the array in general)
[19:27] <ivoks> smart?
[19:27] <ivoks> yes
[19:27] <ball> The OS I run now works well, but doesn't let me check the array remotely
[19:27] <ball> ...which I consider a problem.
[19:27] <ivoks> with hp tools?
[19:28] <ivoks> as for array, i'm not sure
[19:28] <ball> ivoks: HP tools aren't available for NetBSD afaik, though perhaps they'd work if I installed Linux emulation
[19:30] <ivoks> i'm not sure hp provides tools for ubuntu
[19:30] <ivoks> yet :(
[19:30] <ball> ivoks: wouldn't they just have to be Linux tools?
[19:30] <ball> I know we bought this with some Linux installed
[19:31] <ball> ...not sure which one.
[19:31] <ivoks> since those tools aren't open source and they use some hp's drivers and they ship only binaries, they support only some distributions
[19:31] <ball> Ah, okay.
[19:32] <ivoks> but since hp and canonical are getting friendly, we might expect those tools for ubuntu too
[19:32] <ball> Perhaps I should badger HP for Ubuntu Server support.
[19:32] <foxbuntu> ball, iirc HP is working on it
[19:32] <jeff__> hey, where is the ubuntu-server metapackage in ubuntu jaunty?
[19:33] <ivoks> no such thing
[19:33] <jeff__> why?
[19:33] <ivoks> what would you expect from ubuntu-server metapackage?
[19:33] <ball> foxbuntu: That would be good.
[19:33] <jeff__> the same thing as ubuntu-desktop, only for ubuntu server
[19:33] <ivoks> hehe
[19:33] <ivoks> so, which service should ubuntu-server package install?
[19:33] <jeff__> its been in every version
[19:34] <jeff__> lamp
[19:34] <ivoks> only lamp is server?
[19:34] <ivoks> and what if i want mail server?
[19:34] <jeff__> i can install all the individual components, it just makes everything simple
[19:34] <ivoks> you can install task, not a metapackage
[19:34] <ivoks> there was never ubuntu-server metapackage
[19:35] <jeff__> whats task?
[19:35] <ivoks> run tasksel
[19:36] <ivoks> and select LAMP server
[19:37] <jeff__> arrite
[19:40] <ivoks> mathiaz: welcome back ;)
[19:41] <ball> Hello mathiaz
[19:41] <ball> Does Ubuntu Server ship with Samba?
[19:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: hi
[19:41] <ivoks> ball: yes
[19:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: how are you doing? celebrating the release of jaunty?
[19:41] <ivoks> ball: you can install it
[19:42] <ivoks> mathiaz: haven't you seen the picture i took at the top of the world in jaunty's t-shirt? :)
[19:42] <ball> ivoks: are there any handy configuration tools?  I seem to remember the config file was a bit of a challenge.
[19:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: I think I saw it :)
[19:42] <ivoks> ball: nope :/
[19:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: where was this actually taken?
[19:43] <ivoks> mathiaz: at 3500 meters, moelltaler, austria
[19:43] <ball> ivoks: hopefully I can bring my config file with me then, or portions of it at least.
[19:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: ah - Austria
[19:43] <ball> ivoks: are you dancing around the world?
[19:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: it's *not* the top of the world ;)
[19:43] <ivoks> mathiaz: it's not, but it looked like that :D
[19:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: anyway - do you arleady have ideas for karmic?
[19:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: of course... my favourite is ldap backend for mail task
[19:44] <ivoks> + apache studio as configuration tool
[19:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: seems like good plans.
[19:45] <ivoks> there are other too... like linuxha instead of redhat cluster suite
[19:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: for the latter, the problem is that apache studio relies on eclipse
[19:45] <ivoks> or, to have both of them
[19:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: and eclipse is not maintained in Debian/Ubuntu for now.
[19:45] <ivoks> i know
[19:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIRC we're still shipping eclipse 3.2
[19:46] <mathiaz> ivoks: however there will be a session about eclipse at UDS
[19:46] <ball> Eclipse the editor/IDE?
[19:47] <ivoks> ball: yes
[19:47] <ivoks> ball: but eclipse is much more than IDE
[19:47] <ScottK> mathiaz: Eclipse is a beast (I've touched it before I knew better).  I doubt a session will change much unless Canonical decides to apply resources to Eclipse.
[19:47] <ball> ivoks: I've not used it, I thought it was an IDE.
[19:48] <ivoks> ScottK: do you have ldap servers anywhere?
[19:48] <ScottK> ivoks: No.  Sorry.
[19:48] <ivoks> ScottK: too bad, cause there is a perfect application based on eclipse for managing ldap
[19:49] <ivoks> having eclipse in ubuntu as supported would be a great step to having a tool for managing ldap
[19:49] <ivoks> if we can manage ldap, we can put 'everything' in it
[19:49] <ScottK> Yep.
[19:50] <mathiaz> ScottK: I agree with you. May be the session will be enough to convince that ressource should be put on maintaining eclipse.
[19:50] <jmedina> ivoks: is eclipse needed for apache directory studio? I tought it only required java
[19:50] <ivoks> jmedina: you can get it as a plugin for eclipse
[19:50] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - I've got some plans for ldap and directory too.
[19:50] <ivoks> jmedina: or you can download whole package (apache uds + eclipse)
[19:50] <ivoks> mathiaz: great
[19:51] <ball> It's going to be a pain to upgrade this box.  I wish we could afford a matched pair.
[19:51] <mathiaz> ivoks: the first step is to put user and groups in the directory and make sure relevant applications can leverage that info
[19:51] <ivoks> of course
[19:51] <jmedina> ivoks: :O, I never think about it, I always downloaded 70M tar
[19:51] <mathiaz> ivoks: such as postfix, dovecot, apache, etc...
[19:52] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'm already doing some testing with that
[19:52] <mathiaz> ivoks: I'm looking into freeipa and see how we could integrate that.
[19:52] <mathiaz> ivoks: especially the management console.
[19:52] <jmedina> freeipa uses FDS, isnt, it?
[19:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: I also talked to howard chu (from openldap) yesterday and he told me that he added support from pam_ldap to slapd now
[19:53] <mathiaz> jmedina: yes - one of the change would be to replace it with openldap.
[19:53] <jmedina> I think there is no integration for mixed envirements with windows
[19:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: now you can use an local slapd to handle nss and pam.
[19:53] <ball> Is it difficult to put LTSP on Ubuntu Server?
[19:54] <ivoks> that's awsome
[19:54] <jmedina> mathiaz: how is that?
[19:54] <mathiaz> jmedina: there is a slapi plugin to handle windows synchronisation (for user)
[19:54] <jmedina> mathiaz: I mean store SAM in ldap/freeipa, not to sync with AD
[19:55] <jmedina> mathiaz: or is something different?
[19:55] <mathiaz> jmedina: it's a sync with AD.
[19:55] <mathiaz> jmedina: you can't use freeipa as a backend for AD.
[19:55] <mathiaz> jmedina: we'll have to wait for samba4 to be able to do that.
[19:56] <jmedina> mathiaz: no I dont want AD, I just want to store windows info in ldap, something like samba/ldap
[19:56] <foxbuntu> ball, define difficult :)
[19:56] <mathiaz> jmedina: ah ok. You can already do that.
[19:56] <jmedina> I already have a few setups with samba/ldap for domain controller
[19:56] <jmedina> with openldap
[19:56] <mathiaz> jmedina: there is a samba schema to be able to store machine information and relevant user information in the DIT
[19:57] <mathiaz> jmedina: and then configure samba 3 to use ldap as its backend.
[19:57] <jmedina> mathiaz: yes, but not for freeipa
[19:57] <mathiaz> jdstrand: true. 1.2 doesn't support that IIRC
[19:57] <jmedina> AFAIK, with freeipa you can store PKI, tickets, users in ldap mostly for a unix netowork
[19:58] <mathiaz> jmedina: ^^
[19:58] <mathiaz> jmedina: however the next version of freeipa support machine.
[19:59] <jmedina> one thing to consider is a full integration with kerberos, lots of users want that for SSO, I see you are using mit kerberos, but most people use heimdal even samba 4
[19:59] <mathiaz> jmedina: what do you mean by most people?
[20:00] <ball> I have to go, sorry
[20:00] <mathiaz> jmedina: I know that both samba4 and openldap prefer heimdal.
[20:00] <jmedina> well most people I know, most documentation in the internet
[20:00] <mathiaz> jmedina: but large deployments are using MIT keberos.
[20:00] <mathiaz> jmedina: the latest version of MIT (1.7) can generate AD style tickets.
[20:01] <mathiaz> jmedina: likewise-open uses MIT kerberos as their library.
[20:01] <jmedina> that is good, I really dont have real experience deploying kerberos
[20:01] <maswan> the heimdal user tools are a bit friendlier according to most folks
[20:01] <ivoks> oh, fun... i can't access one server after reboot; on friday night...
[20:01] <mathiaz> jmedina: and MIT kerberos is the default in Debian.
[20:01] <maswan> including me. :)
[20:02] <jmedina> AD was originally based on mit kerberos implementation, isnt it?
[20:02] <mathiaz> jmedina: I don't know.
[20:03] <maswan> anyway, mixing mit and heimdal kerberos isn't a problem. it's just the user tools that behave slightly different, there is a proper protocol standard, etc.
[20:03] <maswan> so if you go for one, you don't have to rebuild things that link to the other
[20:05] <jmedina> mathiaz: thanks for the explanation
[20:05] <jmedina> so lets study mit kerb :D
[20:05] <jmedina> here in mexico more and more customers are asking for ubuntu servers, even in goverment
[20:06] <mathiaz> maswan: I'm not sure you can just swap in the heimdal client library and everything works out of the box.
[20:07] <mathiaz> maswan: IIRC you'd have to recompile the application to use the new kerberos library.
[20:07] <mathiaz> maswan: however debian has done a great jobs at making this as easy as possible.
[20:10] <jmedina> ivoks: have you used kerberos with ldap backend?
[20:10] <ivoks> jmedina: no
[20:10] <ivoks> i haven't used kerberos at all
[20:10] <ivoks> i'm scared of it
[20:10] <ivoks> :)
[20:10] <jmedina> I'd like to start working with that
[20:11] <jmedina> ivoks: me too
[20:11] <jmedina> :D
[20:14] <maswan> mathiaz: I was saying that you don't have to
[20:14] <maswan> mathiaz: you can have applications with both
[20:15] <jmedina> mathiaz: is there any post or something about slapd nss pam integration ?
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[20:19] <LyonJT> how do you restart services?
[20:20] <LyonJT> i can''t remember where the folder is
[20:24] <jmedina> LyonJT: /etc/init.d/?
[20:24] <jmedina> LyonJT: you can use invoke-rc.d servicename start|stop|restart|reload
[20:25] <ivoks> take care
[20:32] <mathiaz> jmedina: nope - howard told me about it during our conversation yesterday
[20:32] <mathiaz> jmedina: I then looked at the cvs changelogs.
[20:33] <mathiaz> jmedina: he did most of the work last week.
[20:33] <jmedina> mathiaz: after 2.4.16
[20:34] <mathiaz> jmedina: yes - so it should be available in 2.4.17
[20:34] <jmedina> :(
[20:35] <mathiaz> jmedina: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/openldap/main-src/changes
[20:35] <jmedina> mathiaz: and does it to? it is a replacement for padl nss_ldap?
[20:35] <mathiaz> jmedina: ^^ you can browse the changelogs.
[20:35] <mathiaz> jmedina: it's a replacement for both nss_ldap and pam_ldap
[20:35] <jmedina> :O
[20:35] <mathiaz> jmedina: nss_ldap support has been available for quite some time.
[20:35] <mathiaz> jmedina: it's actually available in intrepid.
[20:36] <jmedina> that i good, most ldap problems  I have faced are nss+pam related
[20:36] <mathiaz> jmedina: the nss overlay is in slapd.
[20:52] <PleXuS> hi all
[20:52] <PleXuS> anyone running 9.04 on server ?
[20:54] <ball> PleXuS: ask me again tomorrow ;-)
[20:54] <PleXuS> lol
[20:54] <PleXuS> ball, i am scared to upgrade
[20:54] <PleXuS> :)
[20:54] <ball> Backup early and often
[20:55] <PleXuS> yeah thats my bad point.. :)
[20:55] <ball> I'm going to back up my data directories when I get home and then try an in-situ upgrade
[20:55] <PleXuS> ball, any good backup tool for linux?
[20:55] <ball> PleXuS: I use "tar"
[20:55] <cemc> PleXuS: tar czpf :)
[20:55] <PleXuS> aah ok that way :)
[20:55] <PleXuS> no 7zip ? :)
[20:56] <ball> I don't know what 7zip is.
[20:56] <PleXuS> 7z is the extension i think
[20:57] <cemc> kinda like zip, but 7 times better :))
[20:57] <PleXuS> the best compression algorythm around :)
[20:57] <ball> gzip works for me.
[20:57] <ball> I'd be wary of moving to something I haven't used for the last ten years ;-)
[20:57] <cemc> I'm using tar | nc to another machine, then mksquashfs for archiving
[20:58] <ball> I use rsync too
[20:58] <ball> "belt & braces"
[20:59] <cemc> or if you have the / partition separat from say the big partition with all the data on it,
[20:59] <cemc> you just boot with livecd, make a dd from the partition, the upgrade
[20:59] <cemc> if it's doesn't come ut right, you can dd back
[21:00] <cemc> nothing lost, just some time maybe
[21:01] <cemc> damn how I suck at typing today...
[21:04] <PleXuS> lol
[21:42] <sourcemaker> how can I setup an ubuntu deployment server?
[21:43] <NCommander> sourcemaker: deployment server?
[21:43] <sourcemaker> I would like to download all required packages for my clients (ubuntu+kubuntu) in background at night... and deploy all updates to the clients when they become online
[21:43] <sourcemaker> I have a very slow internet connection... and downloading all packages via apt is very slow and time consumung
[21:44] <sourcemaker> apt-mirror is not possible... because it downloads all packages (complete sync)
[21:45] <sourcemaker> apt-proxy downloads all required files... if there are not in sync (caching)
[21:45] <sourcemaker> so what's ther alternative tool? like specify the installed software components and download the updates via server...
[21:47] <sourcemaker> for example: my server downloads all kde updates at night and my client receives the update in the morning... (if the download is complete)
[21:49] <foxbuntu> sourcemaker, I think you can limit apt-mirror by source to keep the packages you need to a minimum
[21:50] <sourcemaker> foxbuntu: but I can limit apt-mirror via all my installed software components?
[21:50] <foxbuntu> no
[21:51] <foxbuntu> sourcemaker, but I think you could prob do some crazy magic with rsync + dpkg -l + a ppa
[21:52] <foxbuntu> sourcemaker, essentially build your own package list that points to the correct archives based on your installed package list
[21:52] <foxbuntu> and then apply that to apt-mirror
[21:52] <foxbuntu> im not really sure if that would work or not....but I think it might
[21:52] <sbeattie> sourcemaker: if you point your clients at an apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng proxy, the packages will only get downloaded once.
[21:53] <sbeattie> sourcemaker: you could then have a sacrificial client that updates via cron during the night so that updated packages have arrived in the morning.
[21:54] <sourcemaker> foxbuntu: ok
[21:56] <sbeattie> (you may want to have a sacrificial client per architecture you support to ensure you get each archs versions of the updates.)
[21:57] <foxbuntu> sourcemaker, I guess to answer the root of your question, no nothing quite fits what you are looking for, but its Ubuntu, it can also be created :)
[21:58] <sourcemaker> foxbuntu: ok... I will develop this missing feature by my self :-)
[22:02] <sourcemaker> foxbuntu: can I configure apt-proxy to download the packages in background?
[22:02] <sourcemaker> foxbuntu: so that my client starts the initial download progress?
[22:02] <sourcemaker> foxbuntu: without staying connected
[22:04] <foxbuntu> sourcemaker, idk, worry
[22:04] <foxbuntu> s/worry/sorry
[22:16] <LyonJT> how can i restart webmin from init.d?
[22:16] <LyonJT> what would the command be
[22:19] <LyonJT> what would be the command if i wanted to restart webmin?
[23:46] <VK7HSE> LyonJT:   sudo service webmin restart
[23:46] <gewt> i hate the installer
[23:46] <gewt> i don't think it even installed grub (proeprly)
[23:47] <gewt> i blame lvm
[23:55] <ha1331> Any ideas why brand new Proliant ML350 G5 gets drasticly slower transfer speeds than proliant ML110 on exact same disk?
[23:57] <ha1331> when I do: time dd if=/dev/zero of=/serverData/fast/d1p0/vm8.img bs=1024k count=1000 I get 80-105MB/s on ML350 but when I had it on ML110 I got ~250MB/s