[06:48] <Kilos> morning all
[06:50] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[06:50] <Kilos> hiya psydroid howzit
[06:51] <psydroid> I'm fine, I'm going to back to sleep actually
[06:52] <psydroid> and you?
[06:53] <Kilos> lol good here ty
[06:54] <Kilos> sorry for waking you
[06:55] <psydroid> no problem
[07:01] <Squirm> morning
[07:02] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:41] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[07:41] <Cantide> morning '-'
[07:44]  * Cantide is relaxing
[07:44] <Cantide> i should study .-.
[07:56] <Kilos> ya
[07:56] <Kilos> i need to restart
[07:56] <Kilos> wbb
[07:56] <Cantide> ^^;
[07:59] <Kilos> study while relaxing
[08:01] <Cantide> hmm
[08:01] <Cantide> not sure if that's possible xD
[08:10] <magespawn> morning all
[08:10] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, bakuman on freenode told me "tell magespawn http://goo.gl/zllEf flashed with openWRT" 18 hours, 49 minutes and 24 seconds ago
[08:11] <magespawn> ty Maaz
[08:11] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[08:11] <Maaz> You are welcome magespawn
[08:13] <Squirm> anyways
[08:13] <Squirm> off to Durban
[08:14] <Squirm> bbl
[08:21] <Cantide> Squirm, amazing weather here today
[08:21] <Cantide> enjoy :)
[08:24] <magespawn> the east coast summer coming through at lst
[08:24] <magespawn> at last even
[08:24] <Cantide> yeah
[08:24] <Cantide> took its time this year
[08:24] <Cantide> but i want winter to last another 2 weeks
[08:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:31] <Kilos> scalpel is another one
[08:32] <Kilos> remember just before sleeping
[08:33] <Kilos> theres one more will let you know when i find my blog sometime
[08:40] <magespawn> hi Kilos ty forgot about that
[08:40] <Kilos> yw you got photorec hey
[08:41] <Kilos> methinks i need to start a new blog
[08:41] <Kilos> then save all the useful info there
[08:51] <magespawn> i have that yes
[09:27] <Kilos> magespawn: you here?
[09:28] <Kilos> lo ludo
[09:31] <Kilos> hmm google blogger dont like opera browser
[09:32] <Kilos> The browser we detected is unsupported and may result in unexpected behaviour.
[09:32] <Kilos>  Please choose from our list of  supported browsers  for the best experience.
[09:39] <Cantide> weird..
[09:39] <Cantide> Opera is usually awesome .-.
[09:41] <magespawn> yup stil here but working on cleaning the shop junk out
[09:41] <magespawn> still even
[09:43] <Kilos> hehe enjoy magespawn
[09:43] <magespawn> abd the probable want you to use chrome
[09:44] <Kilos> of course they want their products used
[09:44] <Kilos> grrr
[09:45] <Kilos> lotsa links showing to link to g+ as well
[09:48] <Kilos> You need a Google+ profile to share a post. Click on the Google+ tab to learn more.
[09:50] <magespawn> i have one, but i do not post very often, more read what other people post
[09:52] <Kilos> no man thats what it tells me
[09:53] <Kilos> i cant even remember who i am at g+
[09:53] <Kilos> it ate data
[09:53] <Kilos> methinks the fly needs to finish his blog engine
[09:58] <magespawn> it does eat the data
[10:21] <Kilos> so is it better to use chrome or chromium?
[10:21] <Symmetria> heh
[10:21] <Symmetria> for interests sake
[10:21] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/presentations/ufs-ipv6-2012.pdf <[10:21] <Symmetria> which is a major "screw you" to anyone who says there is no v6 content on the internet
[10:23] <Kilos> Symmetria: you gotta always be diplomatic
[10:23] <Kilos> Maaz: diplomat
[10:23] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[10:23] <Symmetria> lol kilos, the graph just proves them wrong
[10:23] <Symmetria> :p
[10:24] <Kilos> heh
[10:29] <charl> good morning
[10:29] <Kilos> charly
[10:29] <charl> sorry, afternoon in .za :)
[10:29] <charl> hi Kilos
[10:29] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:29]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:29] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[10:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[10:30] <charl> Maaz: what? dirty mugs again? yuck!
[10:30] <Maaz> charl: What?
[10:30] <Kilos> hehe
[10:30] <charl> so how's it going Kilos
[10:30] <Kilos> its the late night peeps that mess and leave
[10:30] <charl> heh ja
[10:30] <Kilos> ok ty and you charl
[10:30] <charl> good good, no complaints
[10:30] <charl> nice sunny weather today after the rainy weather yesterday
[10:31] <charl> i want to go outside but i have to stay inside and clean my apartment :D
[10:31] <Kilos> lol thats life
[10:31] <Kilos> get an active chick
[10:32] <charl> lol, yeah so that she can help me clean :P
[10:32] <Kilos> well if you clever she will do all the cleaning and moan when you mess
[10:32] <charl> hahaha! :D
[10:33] <charl> yeah totally
[10:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:33] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[10:33] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:34] <charl> Maaz: me gusta
[10:34] <Maaz> charl: Sorry...
[10:34] <charl> Maaz: thanks!
[10:34] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[10:34] <Kilos> whats me gusta
[10:34] <charl> it's spanish for "i like" or "i'm satisfied"
[10:35] <Kilos> haha tell him that now
[10:36] <charl> hmm, but he should have a good reply
[10:36] <charl> lemme think something up...
[10:36] <Kilos> tell him man
[10:36] <charl> Maaz: me gusta is "I like" or "I'm satisfied" in Spanish.
[10:36] <Maaz> charl: I already know stuff about me gusta
[10:36] <charl> Maaz: what is me gusta?
[10:36] <Maaz> You better be charl
[10:36] <charl> lol
[10:38] <charl> when somebody says "me gusta" it should actually reply with "feliz :D"
[10:38] <charl> or "estoy feliz"
[10:38] <Kilos> no man then i dont understand it
[10:39] <Kilos> and maaz is my buddy
[10:39] <Kilos> so he thinks of me
[10:39] <charl> i should start playing with ibid
[10:40] <charl> i'll look into it
[10:40] <Kilos> are you on ubuntu?
[10:42] <Kilos> very simple , aptitude install ibid
[10:50] <charl> ah
[10:50] <charl> nice
[10:50] <charl> yes i'm on ubuntu
[10:50] <charl> sorry if my replies are slow, i am busy cleaning in the meantime ;)
[10:52] <Kilos> lol go ahead
[10:52] <Kilos> others are slow with no excuse
[12:02] <magespawn> Kilos just starting the upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04
[12:02] <magespawn> say 2 hours 23 min
[12:03] <Kilos> wow
[12:03] <magespawn> now 1 hour 55 min
[12:03] <Kilos> i thought you got a tick working and installed 12.04
[12:04] <Kilos> stick
[12:04] <magespawn> varies a lot, the kids are here too
[12:04] <Kilos> what varies a lot?
[12:04] <magespawn> no that was on the laptop without the harddrive
[12:04] <magespawn> the time
[12:04] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:04] <magespawn> the kids are playing online games
[12:04] <Kilos> lol
[12:04] <Kilos> lekker with no cap hey?
[12:05] <magespawn> so everytime they start a new level and it loads it slows down
[12:05] <Kilos> aw
[12:05] <Kilos> oh you mean your download speed
[12:05] <magespawn> the no cap is like the midas touch
[12:06] <Kilos> you shoulda just borrowed a cd fromanother machine and clean installed man
[12:06] <Kilos> big change from 10.04 to 12.04
[12:07] <Kilos> gonna have lotsa stuff that doesnt work anymore
[12:07] <Kilos> just rides along
[12:08] <Kilos> only way i could get kde to see 3g was install unity forst then kubuntu-full on top
[12:09] <Kilos> now not sure if its safe or better to remove the unity stuff
[12:09] <Kilos> on boot there no options just straight into kde
[12:11] <magespawn> well we will see what happens
[12:20] <Symmetria> The ANC should change its symbol to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the party's political stance....  Damn, it just doesn't get more accurate than that!
[12:25] <Kilos> hi kodez
[12:26] <kodez> unle kilos
[12:26] <kodez> ^uncle
[12:26] <Kilos> unle yourself
[12:26] <Kilos> lol
[12:26] <Kilos> you too fast
[12:28] <kodez> i have a headache and am losing myself
[12:31] <Kilos> losing yourself?
[12:32] <Kilos> Symmetria: Dont forget some host space for us hey?
[12:32] <Kilos> i gonna hound you till its easier to say here you are
[12:36] <kodez> let's chat again later. i want to take a walk maybe i will be better.
[12:59] <Kilos> someone with a bb again
[13:14] <charl> lol Symmetria
[13:14] <charl> i just saw a video on al jazeera about the development near zuma's house
[13:15] <charl> http://youtu.be/NrFQ2lwJCko
[13:15] <Kilos> unreal hey. 20 mill upgrade
[13:15] <charl> yeah and a whole town that is going to be constructed nearby
[13:15] <Kilos> on every news bulletin here
[13:15] <charl> coincidence?
[13:15] <charl> ah
[13:15] <charl> yeah even made international news :)
[13:15] <Kilos> lol
[13:16] <Kilos> some comeuppance from a herd boy
[13:17] <Kilos> hes getting like mugabe
[13:17] <charl> sounds more like a corruptance :)
[13:17] <charl> yeah
[13:51] <Kilos> aw i actually had a lekker blog
[13:51] <Kilos> one quote
[13:51] <Kilos> Saw an interesting quote the other day about geeks. Geeks are the guys you bully and tease in school and end up working for later in life.
[13:54] <charl> :D
[13:55] <charl> i should find this film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_of_the_Nerds
[14:06] <Kilos> how do i find the link to my new blog
[14:06] <Kilos> i only see the one i use to go edit it
[14:07] <Kilos> blogspot.com has changed so much
[14:10] <Kilos> where the monkey and fly and pro
[14:11] <Kilos> only 21 here not showing grayed out
[14:11] <Kilos> my poor poor channel
[14:12] <Kilos> and nuvolari is most likely playing with his helicopter
[14:12] <Kilos> charl, do you g+
[14:14] <Kilos> magespawn, another one is foremost. found my blog and posted the data recovery bit i got online somewhere
[14:14] <Kilos> but dunno how to give the link
[14:26] <charl> Kilos: nope, i don't use any social networks atm
[14:26] <charl> only irc ;)
[14:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:26] <Kilos> then write a blog engine for irc
[14:27] <Kilos> the new google one is too fulla
[14:35] <charl> hehe
[15:13] <Kilos> charl, you see this  http://blogofkilos.blogspot.com/
[15:13] <Kilos> no one else to ask so you're it
[15:14] <Kilos> had to get a google dashboard thing to find that link
[15:15] <charl> yup
[15:15] <charl> i can open it
[15:15] <charl> something about data recovery
[15:21] <Kilos> yay ty
[16:11] <charl> hi psydroid
[16:11] <charl> hi Cantide
[16:11] <Cantide> hello '-'
[16:11] <charl> Cantide: how long before you go to korea?
[16:13] <psydroid> hi charl
[16:13] <Cantide> 2 weeks '-'
[16:13] <Cantide> i leave on the 17th
[16:13] <psydroid> hi Cantide
[16:13] <charl> Cantide: nice
[16:13] <Cantide> hello psydroid :)
[16:14] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[16:14] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:14] <Kilos> Cantide, for how long
[16:15] <Cantide> 3 weeks only :'(
[16:15] <Cantide> it's not enough
[16:15] <Cantide> but it will have to do
[16:15] <Cantide> haha
[16:15] <Kilos> ah ok
[16:15] <Kilos> fix your dads pc before you go
[16:15] <Kilos> winsucks pc?
[16:17] <Cantide> nah
[16:17] <Cantide> i will fix it when i get back
[16:17] <Cantide> and i put Ubuntu 12.04 on there
[16:17] <Cantide> just before it died -.-
[16:19] <Kilos> eish
[16:19] <Kilos> doyou know what died?
[16:19] <Kilos> hi Guest3437
[16:19] <Cantide> i think it's the CPU heatsink not making proper contact with the CPU
[16:19] <Cantide> the bracket cracked last year
[16:19] <Cantide> and we used some cable ties haha
[16:20] <Kilos> h and the paste is R50 a tube that does one sink
[16:20] <Kilos> lol
[16:20] <Guest3437> molweni guys
[16:20] <Kilos> mlweni?
[16:20] <Kilos> molweni?
[16:21] <Guest3437> yes ndiyabulisa gud ppl
[16:21] <Kilos> lol what language is that?
[16:22] <Cantide> Kilos, i've got thermal paste :) the issue is getting the heatsink to apply pressure to the CPU and not simply float above it
[16:22] <Kilos> your first time here Guest3437
[16:22] <Guest3437> xhosa/south Africa
[16:23] <Cantide> cool :)
[16:23] <Kilos> i did one also with cable ties but drilled where mb had nothing for ties to go through
[16:23] <Guest3437> yes ts 4 the frst tym,why?
[16:23] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za Guest3437
[16:23] <Cantide> i was considering that, but it seemed like a crazy idea, Kilos :) perhaps i'll give it a shot :)
[16:24] <Kilos> just be careful you dont damage tracks
[16:24] <Guest3437> thank u kilos
[16:24] <Kilos> Guest3437, you using ubuntu?
[16:25] <Kilos> or you on a cellphone
[16:25] <Guest3437> um on ma cellfone
[16:26] <Kilos> ah so its hard to type full words
[16:26] <Kilos> hehe
[16:26] <charl> :D
[16:26] <Cantide> yeah :-S i often chat on my phone - it irritates me!! but i have no other way to use those chat clients :'(
[16:27] <Kilos> Guest3437, you in the transkei?
[16:27] <Kilos> bye
[16:27] <Kilos> bb cell
[16:27] <Cantide> hmm
[16:28] <Kilos> i wish blackberry would remove us from their fones
[16:28] <Kilos> even all of irc
[16:28] <Cantide> i dislike blackberry :'(
[16:29] <Cantide> anything with android <3
[16:30] <Kilos> Cantide, try jedirc on fone
[16:30] <Kilos> but still texting onna fone sucks
[16:30] <Cantide> i use androirc
[16:30] <Kilos> ah
[16:30] <Cantide> but i use my PC for IRC unless i have to use my phone
[16:31] <Cantide> it's clients like whatsapp and kakao that i can't use on my PC
[16:31] <Kilos> i wonder if magespawn won with his upgrade
[16:31] <Cantide> so i'm forced to use them on my phone
[16:31] <Kilos> i tried whatsapp here but all the android stuff was too much
[16:32] <Cantide> it's very handy :)
[16:32] <charl> i hardly use my android phone, i hate typing on the damn thing
[16:32] <charl> the touch screen keyboard is a suck
[16:32] <Cantide> lol
[16:32] <Cantide> i like it
[16:32] <Cantide> i can change keyboards by pressing a button
[16:32] <charl> i can't stand it, but perhaps it's because my phone's screen is too small
[16:32] <Cantide> maybe, yeah..
[16:32] <charl> it's an huawei ideos
[16:32] <charl> that is handy yes, for typing european languages or japanese for example
[16:32] <Cantide> i also have a huawei.. useless phone it is :)
[16:33] <charl> yup
[16:33] <Cantide> yes, i switch between the standard Latin alphabet and Korean all the time on it
[16:33] <Kilos> lol
[16:33] <Cantide> i will get a new phone when i can :)
[16:34] <charl> thing is, even when you type in japanese, you have multiple character sets - hiragana and katakana and kanji
[16:34] <Cantide> must be a nightmare on a phone :D
[16:34] <charl> but there are "special" ways of typing those on smaller keyboards
[16:35] <charl> where you press more than one button to get one character
[16:35] <charl> but i don't have time to learn it, i just type in romanji and then use a romanji-to-hiragana/katakana converter
[16:35] <Cantide> :-S
[16:35] <Cantide> lol
[16:35] <charl> i never really use kanji (sorry for the purists) :)
[16:36] <Cantide> it's impressive but impractical
[16:36] <Cantide> kanji is what halted my learning of Japanese :p
[16:36] <charl> yup i don't even bother
[16:37] <Cantide> my brother typed his wife's name in kanji earlier
[16:37] <Cantide> and i only knew what he had said because of the context
[16:37] <Cantide> i immediately forgot the characters
[16:37] <Cantide> lol
[16:37] <charl> ah he's married to a japanese girl?
[16:38] <Cantide> yeah
[16:38] <charl> ok
[16:38] <Cantide> 3 years now
[16:38] <Cantide> and he also hasn't learnt much Japanese
[16:38] <charl> because kanji is unrelated to the pronunciation people typically explain how to write their names in kanji when they introduce themselves
[16:38] <Cantide> haha
[16:39] <Cantide> kanji needs to be forgotten, but then again it's part of their culture and heritage
[16:39] <charl> yes, well kanji is based on the chinese "han" writing system
[16:39] <charl> it's an ancient writing system in asia
[16:39] <charl> it won't disappear soon
[16:39] <Cantide> i mean, a system designed to be overly complex so that peasants couldn't learn it is totally impractical in today's world
[16:39] <Cantide> yeah
[16:39] <charl> yeah it's beyond stupid
[16:39] <Cantide> it's embedded in them now
[16:40] <Cantide> it does look really cool and is fascinating to me as a foreigner
[16:40] <Cantide> but i have no desire to learn it, which is unfortunate :<
[16:40] <charl> i think mao tse tung had an idea to drop it entirely  at some point
[16:40] <charl> but then again, who cares what he thinks :P
[16:40] <charl> he was an oppressor in any case
[16:40] <Cantide> lol
[16:40] <Cantide> i don't think most Chinese people would agree with him
[16:40] <Cantide> i do like Hangul though
[16:41] <charl> that's like saying "english people are bad because mugabe said so"
[16:41] <charl> who cares what mugabe thinks :P
[16:41] <Cantide> King Sejong  was a smart man :)
[16:41] <Cantide> hahaha
[16:41] <Cantide> does Mugabe think, that is the question
[16:41] <charl> lol
[16:42] <charl> that too
[16:42] <charl> ok i need to bugger off and get some dinner
[16:42] <charl> bbl
[16:43] <Cantide> :p
[16:43] <Cantide> bye bye '<
[17:25] <kodez> greetings
[17:26] <superfly> hi kodez
[17:26] <Kilos> hi kodez superfly
[17:26] <kodez> hi superfly and kilos
[17:27] <Kilos> lol you on a cell?
[17:27] <Kilos> or no tabs complete
[17:28] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:28] <kodez> i am using my laptop
[17:29] <Kilos> and what irc client kodez
[17:29] <kodez> pidgin
[17:29] <Kilos> whew
[17:30] <kodez> why whew?
[17:31] <Kilos> i tried irc and facebook but was too much for me
[17:31] <Kilos> mine is set to see offline buddies so window was tooo small
[17:32] <Kilos> like here are 34 guys
[17:32] <Kilos> 8 offline
[17:34] <kodez> i see
[17:39] <Kilos> superfly, whats happening with your blog engine?
[17:40] <Kilos> new blogger too involved and tied to g+
[17:44] <superfly> Kilos: life.
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Kilos> tough in africa hey
[18:15] <charl> nn all
[18:17] <Kilos> night charl
[18:17] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[18:41] <hubx> hey there I have a traffic limit here. Is it possible to monitor the traffic I make per ssid?
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, pong
[18:41] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro Los uit die benatter as dit nie later gaan reen nie." 1 day, 14 hours, 29 minutes and 4 seconds ago
[18:42] <hubx> extra points if you an app for android
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:42] <Kilos> hi inetpro het jy al gesprooi
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: ek't alles weggesprooi
[18:43] <inetpro> wat is gesprooi?
[18:43] <Kilos> die dubbeltjies
[18:43] <Kilos> oeie
[18:43] <Kilos> spuit
[18:44] <inetpro> ai
[18:44] <Kilos> wat? ai
[18:44] <inetpro> 200ml weggespuit
[18:44] <Kilos> met benatter?
[18:44] <Kilos> maak nie saak nie
[18:44] <Kilos> dit klou net beter
[18:44] <inetpro> met die spuitpomp ja
[18:45] <inetpro> hoe moet ek anders spuit?
[18:45] <Kilos> nee man benatter is iets wat jy in die water gooi saam met gif
[18:45] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:45] <Kilos> wat nou?
[18:45] <inetpro> niks op die pamflet gesien daarvan nie
[18:45] <superfly> hubx: not a clue
[18:46] <Kilos> hulle dink mense ken van
[18:46] <Kilos> maar dis net nodig as dit gaan reen binnekort
[18:46] <hubx> superfly, any idea who should I ask then?
[18:46] <inetpro> ahh
[18:46] <Kilos> as jy spuit innie oggend en reen nie daai dag nie is jou kop deur
[18:47] <inetpro> ja ek glo nie dit gaan nou reen nie
[18:47] <Kilos> maar onthou die benatter as jy moet spuit eendag net n paar uur voor dit reen
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe lank vat dit voor jy iets sien gebeur?
[18:48] <Kilos> efekto G49 wetter/benatter
[18:48] <Kilos> meer as n week
[18:48] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:48] <Kilos> gras word eers geel
[18:48] <inetpro> thanks, ek sal volgende keer onthou
[18:49] <Kilos> maar dis goeie goed dit werk van die blare af in die sisteem in tot by die wortels
[18:49] <inetpro> 200ml kom in elk geval nie so vêr nie
[18:49] <Kilos> wat kos dit nou?
[18:49] <inetpro> sal nog moet kry, maar gaan eers wag om te sien
[18:50] <inetpro> ek dink dit was R44 vir 200ml
[18:50] <Kilos> nee man maak eers klaar voor dit saad maak
[18:50] <Kilos> dis goedkoop
[18:50] <inetpro> ok, miskien moet ek more nog kry
[18:50] <Kilos> seker n groot stuk gedoen
[18:51] <inetpro> ja redelik maar nog nie alles nie
[18:51] <Kilos> probeer more nog kry
[18:51] <superfly> hubx: The Google
[18:51] <Kilos> as dit eers saad maak ontkim daai saad volgende jaar al vrek die plant nou
[18:52] <superfly> it's like The Oracle, except it knows more...
[18:52] <superfly> :-P
[18:52] <Kilos> hi hubx sorry i know nothing about them things or i would try help
[18:53] <Kilos> ontkiem inetpro
[18:53] <Kilos> sorry hubx we gardening in the taal
[18:54] <inetpro> ubuntu gardening
[18:54] <inetpro> wb nlsthzn
[18:54] <Kilos> the taal=local language
[18:54] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[18:54] <nlsthzn> salute
[18:55] <Kilos> did the gautengers give you feed back on their party
[18:55] <inetpro> hubx: what's the problem?
[18:56] <nlsthzn> oh yes today is the 4th already...
[18:56]  * nlsthzn wil update the report tomorrow morning seeing as I am swithcing to nightshift
[18:56] <Kilos> superfly, say hi to the family for me please
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: sal so maak. ek is moeg, ek gaan bed toe.
[18:57] <Kilos> small ones wont know but mrs knows me
[18:57] <Kilos> lekker slaap superfly
[18:58] <inetpro> superfly: lekker slaap
[18:59] <nlsthzn> night
[18:59] <hubx> inetpro, my hosts has a capped internet connection. therefore i want to monitor how much traffic I use on his Wifi
[18:59] <inetpro> hubx: just install vnstat on you machine
[19:00] <Kilos> there was someone here yesterday that has all that worked out hubx
[19:00] <Kilos> monitors all data use
[19:00] <hubx> inetpro, the problem with that is that is just can track traffic per interface, not ssid
[19:00] <inetpro> it's very basic but does the job
[19:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:00] <Kilos> who was it that monitored data use in case telkom was stealing his data
[19:01] <Kilos> ??
[19:01]  * Kilos forgets
[19:01]  * bakuman !
[19:01] <Kilos> yaya
[19:01] <Kilos> bakuman, help bietjie hubx  in engels please
[19:01] <inetpro> hubx: please explain
[19:02] <inetpro> you want to monitor at the router/switch?
[19:03] <hubx> no not monitor such count the traffic of my machine in a specific wifi (ssid)
[19:03] <hubx> such=just
[19:03] <inetpro> ssid = Service Set Identifier ?
[19:04] <hubx> so vnstat would do the job if it was to only wifi I connect. but it not necessarily the case
[19:04] <hubx> inetpro, yes or just the name
[19:04] <hubx> *if there was only one wifi I connect to
[19:05] <inetpro> vnstat can track eth0, wlan0, ppp0 or any other interface
[19:05] <inetpro> and you could even force one wireless network to be wlan0 and another wlan1 if you wanted
[19:06] <inetpro> not sure how you would do that right now, but I have definitely done that for ppp
[19:07] <bakuman> you could write a script to check ssid name and the start/stop vnstat?
[19:07] <hubx> inetpro, yes that might be possible but that is not what I want. I don't want to setup the traffic counter every time i connect to a different wifi. then I could just use vnstat und sum it up by myself
[19:08] <hubx> look, I know I can write it myself. but I thought you maybe know some software which does the job
[19:08] <inetpro> hubx: man vnstat
[19:09] <inetpro>        -u, --updat             Update all enabled databases or only the one specified with -i parameter.
[19:09] <inetpro> oops
[19:09] <inetpro> -u, --update  Update all enabled databases or only the one specified with -i parameter.
[19:09] <inetpro> you just do that once
[19:09] <Kilos> hi magtie
[19:09] <inetpro> magtie: wb
[19:10] <magtie> Hi Everyone
[19:10] <Maaz> magtie: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magtie Aw girl, just found this http://blog.sudobits.com/2012/04/13/how-to-install-printer-driver-on-ubuntu-12-04/" 12 hours, 4 minutes and 49 seconds ago
[19:11] <Kilos> was looking up something else and saw that and thought of you magtie
[19:12] <hubx> inetpro, I don't think this will work
[19:12] <inetpro> well if you find a different solution let me know
[19:13] <nlsthzn> :( the current ubuntu-ae loco is just about completely hi-jacked currently... guess I will be focussing on other Ubuntu projects from now on
[19:13] <inetpro> hubx: I haven't seen an elegant monitoring solution per SSID
[19:13] <Kilos> what you mean nlsthzn ?
[19:13] <Kilos> who hijacked it
[19:13] <hubx> inetpro, yeah me neither thats why I asked ;)
[19:13] <Kilos> ahabs?
[19:14] <magtie> Thanks Kilos updated Canon printer driver from launchpad for ubuntu 13-10
[19:14] <magtie> 12-10
[19:14] <Kilos> i was late i nkow
[19:14] <inetpro> hubx: sorry, I only fully understand your problem now :-)
[19:14] <nlsthzn> there was this one guy that had registered the ubuntu-ae launchpad account and was thus seen to be the contact person for the loco... but nothing happened he wasn't doing anything... then we prompted the loco council to remove him...
[19:14] <Kilos> and?
[19:15] <nlsthzn> that spurred him into action and he said he had another group of people who are the loco for the UAE... and now he has already gotten access to all rights to all things and they started having there little private club meetings
[19:15] <nlsthzn> our guys are so discouraged most have quit all activity
[19:15] <Kilos> eish sorry nlsthzn
[19:16] <Kilos> only here peeps work together
[19:16] <inetpro> hubx: you have different users using the same machine on different  networks or just yourself?
[19:16] <nlsthzn> thing is he is most probably doing it for business interests and if I see all of his core group they could all have vested interest ...
[19:16] <Kilos> eish
[19:17] <Kilos> leave them and stay with us
[19:17] <Kilos> you will have more time
[19:17] <hubx> inetpro, nope. I have my laptop, but on one specific SSID I don't want to use more than lets say 500mb/d.
[19:17] <Kilos> keep your bot
[19:17] <smileE17> Kilos: :D
[19:17] <Kilos> hi smileE17
[19:17] <smileE17> hi all :p
[19:18] <smileE17> everything fine? ;)
[19:18] <Kilos> yeah
[19:19] <inetpro> hubx: hmm...
[19:19] <inetpro> hubx: and those WiFi networks in the same physical location?
[19:19] <nlsthzn> thx uncle Kilos
[19:20] <Kilos> you one of us nlsthzn \
[19:20] <nlsthzn> sure I know... still want to do what I can where I am ...
[19:20] <hubx> inetpro, I don't this is getting us anywhere ;)
[19:21] <inetpro> hubx: perhaps you need a proxy server
[19:21] <Kilos> if peeps put more value in making money thats their prob when they get stuck
[19:21] <nlsthzn> this country is all about the money sadly
[19:21] <Kilos> most places are nlsthzn
[19:22] <Kilos> its our community here that helps for the pleasure of it
[19:22] <Kilos> and the friendship
[19:22] <hubx> inetpro, no! I definitely not gonna do that. maybe I will write it myself when the pressure is big enough
[19:22] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[19:22] <aquarat> lol, i kilos
[19:22]  * nlsthzn can't get record my desktop to record sound... haven'
[19:23] <aquarat> *hi
[19:23] <nlsthzn> haven't struggled to do that in years :/
[19:23] <inetpro> hubx: np, was just trying to help
[19:23] <hubx> inetpro, yes thanks ;)
[19:23]  * inetpro would love to be able to track bandwidth utilisation up to application level
[19:23] <inetpro> like android does it
[19:24] <Kilos> inetpro, did you see bakuman s graphs
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, no?
[19:24] <Kilos> even checks cellphones data use
[19:25] <Kilos> bakuman, link?
[19:25] <Kilos> please
[19:25] <aquarat> so who here is running xchat on an arm cpu ? ;)
[19:26] <bakuman> ender.no-ip.org:81
[19:26] <Kilos> you having probs aquarat
[19:26] <aquarat> no
[19:26] <Kilos> there inetpro
[19:26] <aquarat> just bragging :(
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <bakuman> if you klink on usage and traffic it gives per MAC usage and traffic
[19:27] <bakuman> aquarat, which device?
[19:27] <aquarat> odroid-x
[19:28] <aquarat> I got debian going on an A13 too
[19:28] <aquarat> but the mali gpu is an obstacle
[19:28] <aquarat> mind you this also has a mali
[19:28] <bakuman> I see they are pushing hard for Ubuntu on nexus 7
[19:28] <aquarat> A13 is more difficult at the moment
[19:28] <aquarat> awesome
[19:28] <aquarat> hope gpu/arm support improves :D
[19:30] <smileE17> aquarat: it will. one day :p
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos, bakuman: that still won't solve hubx's problem
[19:30] <bakuman> yea i knoe
[19:30] <bakuman> w
[19:30] <smileE17> Goodbye, see ya all soon :) tomorrow :D
[19:30] <inetpro> smileE17: good night
[19:30] <Kilos> well i didnt know
[19:31] <Kilos> toods smile
[19:31] <smileE17> thank you :)
[19:31] <smileE17> see ya, Kilos
[19:31] <Kilos> not if i see you first
[19:31] <Kilos> then ill hide
[19:32] <smileE17> :(
[19:32] <Kilos> hehe
[19:32] <smileE17> :o
[19:36]  * inetpro would love something like this: https://plus.google.com/114254397525521567468/posts/djrDbvyQadA
[19:36] <inetpro> on (K)Ubuntu
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <Kilos> whats that thing a fone?
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: that's a screenshot from my phone
[19:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:39] <Kilos> no wonder you cant afford weed killer
[19:39]  * Kilos ducks
[19:39] <inetpro> eh
[19:39] <bakuman> yea that would be cool inetpro
[19:40] <Kilos> bakuman, you like kubuntu
[19:40] <Kilos> its so bloated
[19:40]  * Kilos ducks lower
[19:41] <bakuman> never really used it Kilos, I use Ubuntu, but might switch.
[19:41] <Kilos> its actually very lekker
[19:41] <bakuman> But that would be cool on any linux distro Kerbero
[19:41] <bakuman> oops Kilos
[19:41] <Kilos> was pulling legs
[19:42]  * inetpro agrees with bakuman
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe
[19:43] <Kilos> i better go sleep before i get kick/banned
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:44] <Kilos> why do you sleep?
[19:44] <inetpro> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> hehe
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: good night oom
[19:44] <bakuman> /kick Kilos, cause I can't
[19:44] <bakuman> nag oom!
[19:44] <Kilos> nag julle
[19:45] <Kilos> night tannie magtie
[19:45] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow


[04:06] <malice> is there widgets for ubuntu
[04:06] <malice> that I can download that is
[04:06] <Burgundavia> malice: widgets?
[04:07] <malice> Yes, something that would run on the desktop like realtime sports scores etc....
[09:33] <nnonix> Anyone with a Thinkpad in here?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> nnonix: no, but I might be able to answer your questions
[09:34] <nnonix> Ah, no question ....
[09:35] <nnonix> rather, I talked with a few people in there with thinkpads asking about why dappers keybindings didn't recognize the blue thinkpad button ..
[09:35] <nnonix> I got the feeling they were not even trying to use that button.
[09:36] <Burgundavia> no, I think there is outstanding bug against that
[09:36] <nnonix> Edgy now recognizes that button and I thought I'd mention it, in case they didn't know.
[09:36] <nnonix> it works now
[09:36] <nnonix> and I'm giddy
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ah
[01:10] <ubuntu_demon> Hi
[01:10] <Nailor> hi
[01:11] <ubuntu_demon> Is there a way to search launchpad for specific laptops ? I'm searching for a new laptop and I want to search for bugs on a couple of possible models.
[01:13] <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a laptop. I understand that this is not a support channel but I have no idea where else to ask this :)
[01:13] <ubuntu_demon> I'm not asking for you guys to search for me or something :p
[01:20] <philwyett> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam See section 5 in contents for model listings
[01:25] <ubuntu_demon> philwyett: I know that. I was asking for a way to search launchpad for bugs for laptop models.
[01:26] <ubuntu_demon> I'm not asking for suppor for a certain laptop nor am I asking for help in finding me a new laptop nor am I asking for the LaptopTestingTeam wiki. I'm merely asking for a way to search launchpad to find bugs for laptops (specific models) :)
[01:27] <philwyett> Not sure about that. Maybe someone else knows.
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> and I have no idea who else to ask then here :)
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> okay thanks
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> I will hang out a bit here then
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> I'm a moderator of Ubuntuforums. If I can get good information on this I can put it in a sticky
[01:28] <ubuntu_demon> I just don't have much launchpad experience
[01:28] <philwyett> MY lappy works great under dapper and thats a damn site better than two days ago when I switched from running latest RHEL 4.4.
[01:28] <ubuntu_demon> You may tell me which one you are using :)
[01:29] <ubuntu_demon> here's the sticky in the laptop support section : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253927
[01:29] <philwyett> Sony Vaio VGN-FS415M upgraded in store to 1Gb RAM.
[01:29] <ubuntu_demon> What's the size of it ?
[01:30] <philwyett> Screen?
[01:30] <ubuntu_demon> yeah the screen unless the laptop has a small screen but is still big
[01:30] <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a laptop myself see : http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/possible-laptops-feedback-request/
[01:30] <philwyett> 15.4" widescreen with max native res of 1280x800
[01:31] <Nailor> Well, I've got Asus V6J but it goes over you budget
[01:31] <ubuntu_demon> hi Nailor
[01:32] <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a core duo laptop of good quality smaller than 15" for about 1200 euros if that's possible.
[01:32] <philwyett> Mine is about your budget.
[01:32] <ubuntu_demon> Nailor do you happen to know how to search launchpad for laptop bugs of specific laptops ?
[01:33] <Nailor> No idea :\
[01:34] <philwyett> ubuntu_demon: Just never add an Acer to your list, they ain't good IMHO.
[01:34] <ubuntu_demon> What about Fujitsu Siemens ? Is that an A brand ?
[01:34] <Nailor> Well, depends on the laptop. The most expensive Acers are ok, though (at least here in Finland) they have a weird keymap
[01:34] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Yup, that's a brand
[01:35] <philwyett> Fuji is good
[01:35] <ubuntu_demon> I mean an A grade brand
[01:35] <Nailor> Fuji is fine, I haven't heard complaining about those
[01:36] <ubuntu_demon> Here's the list : http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/possible-laptops-feedback-request/ and more elaborate here : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1475956&postcount=32
[01:36] <ubuntu_demon> any models I should remove from that list ?
[01:36] <Nailor> Though, in the 1200e budget there won't be any superior machines :p
[01:37] <philwyett> The mac :-D
[01:37] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Weren't you from Denmark?
[01:38] <ubuntu_demon> remove the mac ? because of potential heat problems ?
[01:38] <ubuntu_demon> I'm from the netherlands
[01:38] <Nailor> Oh, remembered wrong :P
[01:38] <Nailor> Aynway, there's this Danish manufacturer, called Zepto
[01:38] <Nailor> http://www.zepto.com/
[01:38] <philwyett> ubuntu_demon: Not just that, I just think they are over priced for what you get.
[01:39] <ubuntu_demon> Nailor do you agree with philwyett on removing the macbook from my list ?
[01:39] <ubuntu_demon> someone (maybe you?) suggested Zepto to me before
[01:39] <Nailor> I'm not so sure about the Zeptos quality, but at least they offer good performance per buck
[01:39] <ubuntu_demon> I think I couldn't find a Zepto model of my liking available in the netherlands
[01:40] <ubuntu_demon> But I want good quality .. that's important to me also
[01:40] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Well, I like the Macbook myself, in terms of inventions used while building it but it sure gets hot
[01:41] <Nailor> Some of my friends have it but they complain about the heat
[01:41] <Nailor> It's not lap friendly :p
[01:42] <ubuntu_demon> Okay I'm removing the macbook from the possiblities thanks for that guys :-D
[01:43] <Nailor> The list you got, I'd prefer the A8J or the Amilo
[01:43] <philwyett> I agree
[01:43] <ubuntu_demon> If I can find a good laptop for myself then I can suggest it to others on the forums
[01:43] <ubuntu_demon> What about the Asus barebone ?
[01:43] <Nailor> Well, if you find a god barebone it might work too.
[01:43] <ubuntu_demon> Asus S62J-H044 is a barebone
[01:43] <Nailor> I've been a bit sceptic about barebones, but dunno is there a real reason for it =P
[01:44] <ubuntu_demon> The thing I like about the Asus S62J-H044 is that I don't pay for windows.
[01:44] <Nailor> That's true
[01:44] <ubuntu_demon> Regarding the specs it has a better CPU than the A8Jc for about 50 euros more which is also good.
[01:44] <Nailor> How's the guarantee with the barebone?
[01:45] <ubuntu_demon> but I have no idea about the build quality .. I have read some negative comments
[01:45] <Nailor> Or, warranty
[01:45] <Nailor> Asus normally has 2 years warranty
[01:45] <ubuntu_demon> warranty is good also 2 years
[01:45] <Nailor> well, there propably ain't big difference between the barebone and the normal
[01:46] <ubuntu_demon> At least the case is different. I don't know about the motherboard.
[01:46] <Nailor> ah
[01:46] <ubuntu_demon> The barebone has VBI parts .. which means Verified by Intel.
[01:46] <Nailor> Well, the non-barebone might be better tested
[01:47] <ubuntu_demon> VBI means that intel standardized on some parts such as the battery
[01:47] <Nailor> As a whole package, I mean.
[01:47] <Nailor> Yeah.
[01:47] <ubuntu_demon> Yeah the A8Jc might be better tested because a lot more people use it. So they would have solved possible problems by now (you would think)
[01:49] <ubuntu_demon> here's information about VBI program : http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/emea/eng/283358.htm
[01:49] <ubuntu_demon> and here : http://www.laptops4u.nl/cmsdownloads/Verified_by_Intel.pdf
[01:49] <Nailor> At leaset someone has tested A8Jc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AsusA8Jc
[01:49] <Nailor> Not completely though :p
[01:50] <ubuntu_demon> yeah
[01:50] <Nailor> Well. Happy hunting, I'll be off to the store for a while, gotta get some filling to my pizza.
[01:50] <ubuntu_demon> Thanks :-D
[01:52] <ubuntu_demon> I'll be back soon
[04:32] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[04:34] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:45] <Nailor> Hi there again
[04:45] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Any luck with the laptop decissions?
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> hey
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> I'm going slowly :)
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> I don't want to hurry this decision because it
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> it's a lot of money to me
[04:48] <Nailor> Yeah
[04:48] <Nailor> And having a bad laptop sucks
[04:52] <ubuntu_demon> yeah
[04:52] <Nailor> I can sell you my old IBM, 166MHz and 48 megs of RAM ;)
[04:53] <ubuntu_demon> :p
[04:53] <ubuntu_demon> :-P
[04:53] <ubuntu_demon> Do you know anything about the quality of "Intel  Pro/Wireless 3945 ABG" support ?
[04:54] <Nailor> Works like a charm
[04:54] <Nailor> (I've got 3945 on my laptop)
[04:54] <ubuntu_demon> What did you have to do to make it work ?
[04:55] <Nailor> Installed a correct kernel (linux-686)
[04:55] <Treenaks> Nailor: that's not even necessary I think?
[04:55] <Treenaks> the 686 part
[04:56] <Nailor> dunno
[04:56] <Treenaks> it works out of the box on Ubuntu
[04:56] <Nailor> Um..
[04:56] <Treenaks> Nailor: for me
[04:56] <Nailor> Oh
[04:56] <ubuntu_demon> The comment on : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported ... seems to be wrong then
[04:56] <Treenaks> ubuntu_demon: it might be old
[04:56] <Nailor> I installed 6.06 but it didn't work out of the box
[04:56] <Nailor> With the -386 kernel
[04:57] <Nailor> Installing -686 did the trick
[04:57] <Nailor> Though, it might have something to do with the fact that the ipw ships with propietary binary regulator daemon
[04:57] <ubuntu_demon> Opinions on this article ? Do you think I should add it to the sticky in the laptop support subforum ? http://polishlinux.org/choose/laptop/#
[04:58] <ubuntu_demon> Here's the sticky : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253927 maybe you have other suggestions for the sticky
[04:59] <Nailor> Why not, a nice collection of stuff to consider when getting a new laptop
[05:00] <ubuntu_demon> Okay I stickied it :)
[05:00] <ubuntu_demon> I mean I added it to the sticky :p
[05:00] <Nailor> Well, maybe the LaptopTestingTeam page *could* be there with a mention, that the data is intended for testing purposes
[05:00] <Nailor> It still gives you a good overview of the capabilities of the laptop though
[05:03] <ubuntu_demon> I will add it. Thanks.
[05:04] <ubuntu_demon> done. Please check whether you like the text :)
[05:07] <ubuntu_demon> regarding the S62J .. how big is the chance that I wouldn't get suspend to disk or suspend to ram working in your view ? It's an asus barebone. Here are the specs : http://www.laptops4u.nl/info?p=1011{1}232{2}195{3}238{5}89{6}311{8}104{9}188{10}111{14}187{21}248{22}250{23}253{25}312   more specs here : http://www.laptops4u.nl/cmsdownloads/Verified_by_Intel.pdf
[05:08] <Nailor> Oh, I ment that you could have an additional link pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/
[05:08] <ubuntu_demon> originally I joined this channel to find out how to search for specific laptops on launchpad .. LOL :P
[05:08] <Nailor> The HardwareSupport link was just fine
[05:08] <Nailor> well.. =)
[05:08] <ubuntu_demon> Ow okay I will change it :)
[05:09] <Nailor> Well, I don't see any reason why that wouldn't suspend to ram at least
[05:09] <Nailor> Dunno about hibernate, since I've been having some trouble with it myself
[05:12] <ubuntu_demon> I improved the sticky a bit. Any suggestions ?
[05:13] <ubuntu_demon> Does the centrino platforum laptops drain the battery a lot when it is suspended to ram ?
[05:15] <Nailor> My laptop lasts 2-3 days with suspend if suspended with full battery
[05:15] <ubuntu_demon> Do you think I take a big risk when I would order the S62J-H044 regarding getting Ubuntu to work perfectly ?  sorry for all the questions .. I promise to put a laptop review online when I have bought one :)
[05:16] <ubuntu_demon> and now you are talking about suspend to ram ?
[05:16] <Nailor> Yup
[05:16] <ubuntu_demon> cool
[05:16] <ubuntu_demon> So having suspend 2 disk not available for a while is not that major of a problem.
[05:16] <Nailor> I don't really remember when have I shut this machine the last time
[05:16] <Nailor> Yup
[05:16] <Nailor> That's why I haven't used it
[05:17] <Nailor> Of course, it would keep the battery life longer, and would have a huge benefit in case of power running out
[05:17] <Nailor> As you could hibernate (Suspend to disk) and have all the work you were doing saved till you get the power back on
[05:18] <ubuntu_demon> yeah hibernate seems really useful
[05:18] <ubuntu_demon> but I could live without for a while if suspend to ram works for a few days :)
[05:18] <ubuntu_demon> The one thing I'm a bit worried about regarding the S62J-H044 is the build quality and the quality of the case and screen
[05:19] <ubuntu_demon> I really like the fact of not paying money to microsoft and if it is a great laptop then being able to suggest it to others :)
[05:19] <ubuntu_demon> But I don't like taking a big risk because I don't have much money. The only money I have goes to a new laptop.
[05:19] <Nailor> Well, there's always the suspend2 patch to kernel, but I don't want to waste any time recompiling my kernel :P
[05:21] <Nailor> Im running out of time nowadays having all kinds of project so testing things with my laptop has been a bit postponed lately
[05:22] <Nailor> Right now I'm trying to build 2x200G mirroring raid to my server (2x840MHz P III) and I can assure you it takes a while to synchronize the disks.. :P
[05:23] <ubuntu_demon> I don't want to need to recompile my kernel either. It's bothersome to do it for each kernelupgrade
[05:23] <ubuntu_demon> :)
[05:25] <Nailor> Well. Anyway. I'll get bak to making the pizza :p
[05:30] <ubuntu_demon> any idea about the nvidia geforce go 7200 / 7300 / 7400 support in Linux ?
[05:31] <ubuntu_demon> have a nice meal :)
[05:33] <ubuntu_demon> 7200 and 7300 are on http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html so I don't think it will be a problem
[05:33] <ubuntu_demon> I meant 7300 and 7400 are on there but 7200 isn't
[05:38] <ubuntu_demon> the GF go 7200 doesn't have it's own memory : http://www.nvidia.com/object/go_7_series_techspecs.html
[06:05] <Nailor> I have 7400
[06:05] <Nailor> Everything works, even XGL
[06:09] <ubuntu_demon> cool
[06:11] <ubuntu_demon> The HP DV2085 has become less interesting to me because 1) I can't find any information about running Ubuntu or Linux on it 2) the GF go 7200 doesn't have dedicated memory 3) the GF go 7200 isn't listed in nvidia's list of supported cards
[06:12] <ubuntu_demon> The most interesting models are the two asus ones.
[06:13] <ubuntu_demon> I'll be responding extra slow from now on :)
[06:16] <Nailor> I got my pizza out of the oven, so I'll responding very slowly for now on too :)
[07:03] <ubuntu_demon> What flavour it it ?
[07:03] <Nailor> My pizza?
[07:04] <Nailor> It was a onion-pepper-shrimp-goat cheese-mozarella-mushroom -combination =P
[07:47] <ubuntu_demon> I hope it was good :)
[07:49] <Nailor> Excellent =)
[07:52] <ubuntu_demon> great
[07:52] <ubuntu_demon> Where do you live ?
[07:53] <Nailor> In Finland, in a city called Turku
[07:54] <ubuntu_demon> I live in the Netherlands but I think I already told you that :)
[07:54] <ubuntu_demon> So you are a volunteer of the LaptopTestingTeam ?
[07:55] <ubuntu_demon> I'm going to cook (macaroni)
[07:55] <ubuntu_demon> still responding extra slow ;)
[07:56] <Nailor> Yup, I've mostly been testing my laptop
[07:56] <Nailor> As much as I can though, because I'm using this as a work laptop too
[07:56] <ubuntu_demon> okay
[07:57] <ubuntu_demon> I actually have to go because my girlfriend is going to use this computer now. I might talk to you later in this channel :)
[07:57] <ubuntu_demon> bye!
[07:57] <Nailor> Bye!
[10:04] <Infecto> hi
[10:05] <Infecto> crimsun send me in here :)
[10:05] <Burgundavia> Infecto: what do you need help with?
[10:05] <Infecto> suspend
[10:05] <Infecto> my problem is
[10:05] <Infecto> my laptop dont want to start after suspend
[10:05] <Infecto> the problem is i dont know how to debug it
[10:05] <Infecto> maybe some tips
[10:06] <Infecto> my ver of ubuntu i edgy up to date
[10:08] <Infecto> s/i/is
[10:08] <crimsun> I believe I remember Matthew advising having ``dmesg'' output ready [but I may have mistaken it for suspend-to-disk, not -ram]
[10:08] <Infecto> hmm, i`m sing suspend to ram
[10:08] <Infecto> to disk is to slow for me
[10:08] <Infecto> i need fast actions :)
[10:10] <Infecto> the strainght think is that suspend start acting when i releas the lid buton
[10:12] <Infecto> when i push it and hold nothing happend
[10:12] <Infecto> maybe something is hapening but not wanted actions :)
[10:12] <Infecto> in my opinion off course
[10:30] <Infecto> any ideas ?
[10:39] <crimsun> Infecto: Matthew has been idle for nearly 7 hrs; it's the weekend, so check back later.
[10:40] <Infecto> ok thx one more time
[11:46] <Infecto> mkey so one more :)
[11:47] <Infecto> why mplayer is playing my move so slow on fgrlx when i use -vo x11
[11:47] <Infecto> with -vo xv dont run even


[11:30] <coz_>  hey all
[18:51] <thorwil> ha, the countdown banners are totally narwhaled! http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[18:55] <zniavre> the n°1 is  wow
[19:01] <vish> thorwil: i think someone just likes narwhals a *lot*..
[19:37] <darkmatter> they probably sleep with plushy ones
[19:38] <darkmatter> I could think of other possible remarks, but.... this channel is logged! ;p
[19:45] <vish> darkmatter: we could kick ubuntulo1 for min ;p
[19:45] <vish> *a min
[19:45] <darkmatter> lol
[20:07] <coz_> hey all
[20:08] <Menopia> hi guys
[20:09] <Menopia> i have a question and i don't know if this is its place or not
[20:09] <coz_> Menopia,  hey guy
[20:09] <coz_> Menopia,  what is it?
[20:10] <Menopia> is this logo is according to the ubuntu standards https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntueg.png
[20:13] <coz_> looking
[20:14] <coz_> Menopia,  its the correct font,, and looks to be the correct colurs
[20:14] <coz_> Menopia,  what made you question it?
[20:15] <Menopia> my team asked me to re-brand the logo and i made this
[20:15] <Menopia> and i want to make sure its right
[20:15] <Menopia> :)
[20:15] <coz_> Menopia,  ah ok,,, did you use the official font and palette?
[20:15] <Menopia> yes
[20:15] <coz_> Menopia,  there you go :)  not much to get wrong then :)
[20:16] <Menopia> ok thanks man :)
[20:16] <coz_> Menopia,  what is the "eg"?
[20:16] <Menopia> Egypt
[20:16] <coz_> Menopia,  coool :)
[20:17] <coz_> one the places close to the top of my list for places to see before I die
[20:18] <Menopia> thanks man for your help, I gtg now
[20:18] <coz_> ok
[20:21] <zniavre> :o)


[00:48] <qwebirc42483> hello, i was wondering how i make my Mythbuntu video files accessible. I uploaded a movie to the network and when i went to the server's ip and clicked on the movie, it said "You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/video/Live Free or Die Hard.m4v on this server"
[00:52] <qwebirc42483> !help
[00:52] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[01:15] <qwebirc42483> !refund
[01:15] <Zinn> For your refund, please pm me your SSN, your bank account number, your birthday, your mothers maiden name, the credit card number that you wish your refund to go back to, your dogs name, your neighbors kids favorite movie, and a twix bar
[01:15] <qwebirc42483> !403
[01:15] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about 403
[17:10] <Gibby> anyone having an issue with the repeat not working for volume media keys?
[22:07] <Deanis> mythweb music .m3u files do nothing.  Any help would be HOT!


[11:23] <marjinal1st> hi, i want to use GTK ListView in my app, but i want it to be just like "Android ListView using layouts". I mean not only strings, also other objects (such as images and links) should be in that ListView. how can i do that?
[16:16] <TempAcc> Hi!
[16:16] <TempAcc> Anyone here?


[06:56] <Jordan_U> Rhombix: When Ubuntu installs grub it puts some files in your EFI System Partition, one of which is at the path /ubuntu/shimx64.efi (Since your ESP is mounted to /boot/efi/ you can see this file a the path /boot/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi . This is the file that your boot firmware needs to load to start Ubuntu.
[09:28] <sary> Salutations!
[09:33] <knome> sary, since you really seem to want to have an argument, ok, let's take it here
[09:33] <knome> sary, stop using exclamation marks repeatedly
[09:33] <knome> sary, also, please stop arguing with other people on the channel on whether they are late or not
[09:34] <knome> sary, is there anything else we can help you with?
[09:38] <sary> knome: first this was going on ..
[09:38] <sary> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/08/10/%23xubuntu.html
[09:38] <knome> yes, and i told you to stop shouting in the channel
[09:38] <knome> really, no big deal, but you decided to start arguing about it, so it escalated
[09:39] <sary> second ,  I'm only exuding positive energy & kickin' up dust here tryng to helo someone and all you're focus is on my typing..
[09:40] <sary> So, how did you know am being rude while using an exclamation mark !
[09:40] <knome> because this is IRC and i can't interpret your behavior in any other way than your typing
[09:41] <sary> how do can you even know what expression am using as..?
[09:41] <knome> i think we're done here.
[09:41] <knome> anything else i can help you with?
[09:41] <sary> so know you think am using it with an attitude ..?
[09:42] <sary> SO, i've been rude usin ! , according to you , and now we're done also according to you .. why are why here then!
[09:42] <knome> i'll try to explain it again to you
[09:43] <knome> i don't know what kind of attitude you have, and i can only trust you have the best intentions
[09:43] <knome> however, using exclamation marks eg. "shouting" all the time comes out as rude
[09:43] <knome> whatever your intention is
[09:44] <knome> so i kindly asked you to stop it
[09:44] <knome> but you decided to take it as a personal attack against you
[09:44] <knome> after which you started arguing with other people about their commentary on the same issue as well
[09:44] <sary> knome:  Good job , i didn't even know you were an ubuntu member untill now ..
[09:45] <sary> knome: please read # http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/punctuation/when/when-to-use-exclamation-marks.html
[09:45] <knome> that's irrelevant to IRC communication
[09:46] <sary> feel free to point me to a one relvant to IRC.
[09:46] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[09:53] <sary> that doesn't say much about using exclamation mark! So, according to you when can i use ! in an ubuntu's channel?
[09:55] <knome> whenever you want as long as you don't do it repetitively.
[09:55] <sary> and no, i don't take things personally.
[09:55] <sary> cool, anything else?
[09:56] <knome> you're the one who wanted to take it here the first place, so i should ask you
[09:56] <knome> (and i have...)
[09:56] <knome> if you don't have anything else, then i'm fine
[09:58] <sary> Right, to get others respective on this .. but untill now it's only your point of view.
[09:58] <sary> i'll be idle here unitll someone else has something to say.
[09:58] <sary> IF i may..
[09:59] <sary> pleasure to have meet you knome.
[10:00] <knome> sary, feel free to do that, but please realize it just makes me feel like you're sending signs of a certain kind of attitude with that.
[10:00] <sary> O' boy ..
[10:00] <knome> indeed :)
[10:01] <knome> have fun.
[10:02] <sary> thaha :) no attiude or any bad feeling against..thank you, you too.
[10:14] <ikonia> sary: do you need anything else from this channel ?
[10:16] <sary> ikonia: i was hoping to get others respective, but i got the answer from knome .. now i take it you want me to leave!
[10:17] <ikonia> we have a no idle policy in the channel, so unless you need/want something, we ask you not to idle in the channel please.
[10:18] <ikonia> so if you need something, happy to help but if not, if you could /part the channel, that would be great
[10:18] <knome> ikonia, i believe he'd like a second opinion on the issue
[10:18] <ikonia> I don't see an issue to be honest, a slight change in typing style to be a little more IRC friendly, no issue, no big deal
[10:19] <sary> Alright, thanks you guys , am out.
[10:19] <knome> ikonia, ta
[10:19] <ikonia> no problem, just seemed like a non-issue


[19:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: some of these are just wierd. Like ProcCwd
[19:10] <OvenWerks> /var/lib/sendmail
[19:10] <OvenWerks> Who is running things from that directory?
[19:12] <OvenWerks> Ah, I think it may be our systemd command
[19:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: maybe it is running when sendmail or apache starts
[19:13] <OvenWerks> check for user no > 999?
[19:17] <OvenWerks> or we are choosing the wrong target
[19:18] <OvenWerks> Maybe time to go back to /etc/xdg/autorun/ for startup
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: all of the errors with permission denied are probably autojacks being run by something other than a person. That is why no bug reports.
[19:22] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think the plasma DE has an autoshutdown folder as well, maybe use that to kill autojack...
[19:23] <OvenWerks> Or maybe use autostart to start autojack but use systemd to kill things
[19:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the bugreport column in the error tracker that has "create" doesn't work for me.
[19:40] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Bug #1972896
[19:41] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think we can fix this without code changes, rather changing the way it is installed.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: as this is the cause for 6 of the errors being tracked (and close to the top in frequency) I think it would be worth fixing
[19:46] <OvenWerks> I will look at it this afternoon when my wife has gone to work.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, sounds like a plan.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: is there an easy way to link the other permission denied traces to the same bug?
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: You could have them also make a bug but mark them as duplicates of this bug?
[19:49] <OvenWerks> I'm not that excited about it ;)
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> Or shoot me the link and I can add them to the description.
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> HA! No prob.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> once it gets fixed those numbers should vanish


 I just ran 'stress --cpu 4 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 2G --timeout 16s' the screen flickered once or twice during the run.
 Not in every run tho. Once in a 4-5 runs. You need to stress it on some specific parameters?
[00:13] <xpkill23> failed run completed in 2087s
[05:22] <gmichel3> Hello, fresh install of Lubuntu 18.10, I installed Netbeans and when I run it after the loading screen it just quits, I get no error code on the terminal.
[05:22] <gmichel3> Any ideas?
[05:23] <wxl> you run it in the terminal and nothing is output?
[05:23] <gmichel3> That's right wxl
[05:25] <gmichel3> Googling around all I found was something related to Netbeans (on Ubuntu 18.04) trying to use jdk11 when it should use jdk8. My installation seems to use jdk8 (it was one of the dependencies).
[05:26] <wxl> yeah i don't know but it's likely not a *l*ubuntu issue. you might want to ask over at #ubuntu and see if they have ideas
[05:26] <gmichel3> Alright, I will do that. Thanks!
[05:26] <wxl> good luck
[05:38] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/P5
[05:38] <wxl> oops wrong channel XD
 @wxl [<wxl> oops wrong channel XD], Ack
 It's okay. We won't hate you for that. XD
[09:24] <xpkill23> 3
[13:25] <cheburnet> hi, I'm going to try 19.04, where can I look up known issues?
[13:41] <cheburnet> what's the purpose of verifying md5sum if you get it over plain http which may be tempered
[13:45] <teward> cheburnet: you have to verify the ISO is downloaded fully, the hash sums will identify that, and if you get the ISOs from an official mirror you can be fairly certain those aren't 'tampered with'
[13:45] <teward> cheburnet: there's a slew of known issues fir 19.04 though, but I don't know if there's one all inclusive list of known issues
[13:45] <cheburnet> teward: but if my router is hacked because the firmware is old and my provider uses simple standard passwords
[13:45] <cheburnet> and dns is hijacked...
[13:46] <teward> then get a new router.
[13:46] <cheburnet> I'm a bum :-)
[13:46] <teward> if you think *that* paranoid then you either need to
[13:46] <teward> (a) fix the problem
[13:46] <teward> (b) not download anything
[13:46] <teward> and if B is your choice, then I can't help you nor can anyone else
[13:47] <cheburnet> I may download via torrent or https, should help
[13:47] <teward> HTTPS won't help you :P
[13:47] <teward> torrent might
[13:47] <teward> but last I heard there was no 19.04 torrents yet
[13:47] <cheburnet> teward: but certificate is hard to hijack even if you control dns I think
[13:47] <teward> cheburnet: keep telling yourself that.
[13:48]  * teward is an IT Security guy and knows a few mechanisms that could be used to 'hijack' a site with DNS MITM and expoliting a vuln to drop a new trusted root CA into your browser and then 'appear' as a valid site
[13:48] <cheburnet> teward: thank you, will dnssec help if it is provided by ubuntu dns servers?
[13:48] <teward> and if your router is seriously that old that you're afraid of hijacking and such like this you're SOL
[13:48] <teward> because there's a billion ways to circumvent the 'protections' that exist
[13:49] <teward> DNSSEC only helps if it's enabled
[13:49] <teward> and it's not for ubuntu.com
[13:49] <teward> or its subdomains
[13:50] <teward> *most* domains in the world don't have DNSSEC enabled
[13:50] <teward> (L)Ubuntu's included it seems
[13:51] <cheburnet> I tried to enable it for the domain I own, but subtomains that don't have it enabled got broken if using <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS> works fine with unprotected subdomains
[13:51] <teward> and now we're drifting into the world of offtopic chatter
[13:51] <cheburnet> teward: thank you for your help
[14:04] <teward> cheburnet: the only OTHER thing you could do possibly
[14:04] <teward> is to check the cryptosigs on the ISOs against the known good keys
[14:04] <teward> but again you'd have to trust you're getting the proper keys from Ubuntu to test against for verification
[14:04] <teward> (I say Ubuntu, i just use that as an umbrella term in this case for all the variants0
[14:05] <teward> but if you don't trust *that* either then you're out of luck.
[14:06] <player1> hi guys, yesterday I installed lubuntu 18.10 and I boot with nomodeset, it boots ok but my screen resolution is stuck in 1024x768, I have WXGA screen with resolution 1280x800 but I cannot find this in monitor settings
 nomodeset is more or less a "solution of last resort"
[14:07] <player1> whenever I click monitor settings has 1024x768, how to change this in 1280x800?
[14:08] <teward> by getting proper drivers rather than using nomodeset.  nomodeset is a "solution of last resort" when all other solutions ahve failed.
[14:09] <player1> whenever I login with live dvd my resolution seems to be ok
 what shows `lspci -nnk | grep -A3 "\[03..\]:"`?
[14:09] <player1> wait to check this
[14:09] <player1> I must go to other room
[14:18] <player1> it says ATI MOBILITY RADEON RS300M
[14:23] <player1> aptghetto it says AMD/ATI RS300M [Mobility Radeon 9100 IGP[103c:006b]
[14:23] <player1> aptghetto it says kernel modules;radeonfb,radeon
[14:24] <player1> aptghetto did you see my message?
 probably has, but you need patience
[14:25] <player1> ok
 I see *the* message
 :P
[14:28] <player1> so is any way to set screen resolution in 1280x800
 Your graphic card should run with the normal radeon driver
[14:31] <player1> it runs ok with live dvd
 Make first `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`, check also, that radeon is installed with `dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-ati`
[14:36] <player1> I go to check this and I come back later
[14:43] <player1> aptghetto it says xserver-xorg-v 1:18.1.0-1 i386
 beginning with `ii`?
[14:43] <player1> yes
[14:44] <player1> ii
 reboot your system, edit your grub entry, pressing key "E" and delete the word "nomodeset", then boot the system
[14:45] <player1> if I do this it shows white screen
 That may be, but then we can check the logs
[14:46] <player1> ok wait to do this
[14:51] <player1> aptghetto I did it and booted in white screen
 Press CTRL+ALT+F5 and login
[14:52] <player1> aptghetto I pressed control alt f2 and I am logged in in terminal
[14:52] <player1> what should I type
 then execute `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
 Maybe there is some error in your display server
[14:54] <cheburnet> I had lubuntu 18.10 and after I installed nvidia drivers and did an apt upgrade it won't boot. I flashed 19.04 on a pendrive but it doesn't boot in safe graphics mode too. It prints "Booting in blind mode" as usual but nothing else is printed.
 Otherwise `sudo apt install mesa-utils && glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"`
[14:55] <cheburnet> it seems to not be hanging but blind typing commands like systemctl start display-manager doesn't help
[14:56] <player1> aptghetto wait to do this
[14:58] <cheburnet> if I edit grub loader it says "file=/cdrom/preseed/lubuntu.seed" <- shouldn't cdrom be something else on my pendrive?
[14:59] <cheburnet> I tried burning with both dd and etcher
[15:02] <cheburnet> pressting ctrl + alt + del flashes the light on the pendrive but doesn't reboot the system
[15:02] <player1> aptghetto first command with Xorg.0.log shows error
 I hope, you will tell us more details about the xorg errors
[15:04] <cheburnet> also I get "file "/boot/" not found" before grub menu appears, I use rEFInd on the HDD and boot from it into pendrive grub
[15:08] <cheburnet> I doubt I have any physicall tty, but how else can I troubleshoot the boot process? I have anothe machine and a phone -- may I use them to debug the booting process?
[15:10] <player1> aptghetto wait to do this
[15:16] <player1> aptghetto WW warning EE error NI not implemented (??) unknown[62.128](II) Initializing extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
 This are normal messages
[15:17] <player1> aptghetto now I must reboot with nomodeset to connect to internet and install mesa-utils?
 Not yet
[15:18] <player1> if I boot without nomodeset I cannot connect to internet
[15:18] <player1> I am offline
 Yes, I understand
 But first I like to see your log files of sddm
[15:19] <player1> ok how to create this log
 Go back, and type `cd` to be sure, that you are in your home directory, then type `journalctl -b -u sddm > sddm.log`
 This should create a file in your home directory and then you can reboot your system
[15:22] <player1> wait I go to do this
 Then please upload the file to pastebin and share the link, so we can have a look at it … And post also your OpenGL version
[15:26] <player1> aptghetto it says -bash: sddm.log Permission Denied
 Then you are not in your home directory or you have your home directory messed up
[15:28] <player1> in prompt it says blahblah.../home$
 `cd ~`
[15:28] <player1> wait I will do this
[15:32] <player1> aptghetto ok I did it I opened this file with nano
[15:32] <player1> what line should I post from this log
 Post the whole log file to a pastebin site and share the link, check also that there are no sensitive data before posting
 I will be offline soon
[15:35] <player1> aptghetto I need sometime to do this
[15:35] <player1> how to paste bin this
 Like this morning: `pastebinit -i ~/sddm.log`
[15:39] <player1> wait
 No, I go now
 But I will see it later
[15:54] <player1> aptghetto my url is /p/X4vbzsQYvG
[16:15] <cheburnet> How to apport to submit booting information about a hanging boot of 19.04?
[16:15] <cheburnet> *use apport
[16:16] <cheburnet> I see "Started Set console scheme." on tty1 and no serious errors in the logs
[16:56] <player1> why lubuntu 19.04 does not have 32bit version?
 you mean why does it not have a 32-bit *installer* ISO.
 there is still a 32-bit version but you have to install from the last release that had a 32bit ISO which IIRC was 18.04 and then incrementally upgrade to still get 32-bit packages
 the reason there's no 32-bit installer ISO is that there was more or less a global decision to discontinue 32bit ISOs amongst all the variants.
 but 32bit packages still exist.
 if you still want a reason why though I'm sure that @tsimonq2, the Lubuntu Release Manager and a member of the Lubuntu Council, can give you a more specific answer.
 *hides*
[17:02] <teward> player1: see those ^ messages to answer your question
[17:02] <teward> or wait
[19:15] <player1> can I type after  nomodeset  video=radeonfb:1280x800  ? will this fix my resolution?
 @player1 I had a look at the sddm logs, but unfortunately I didn't found anything useful
 Then I had a look on the full log files from http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rBJwhqHHXG/ and there it seems to be a problem of sddm
 It might be this known bug => http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rBJwhqHHXG/
[20:33] <player1> aptghetto if I put after nomodeset
[20:34] <player1> aptghetto video=radeonfb:1280x800
[20:34] <player1> will it work?
[20:36] <player1> aptghetto did you find any bug?
[20:38] <player1> how can i add to nomodeset the  video command?
[20:39] <player1> I want to edit grub from command line in terminal
[21:31] <player1> I added this line but nothing happened
[21:31] <player1> is there a way to add voice commands in lubuntu?
[22:00] <heysoundude> tomorrow's the big day, right?  Or can I start looking for the upgrade around 00:00Z?
[22:01] <wxl> !isitout
[22:01] <wxl> XD
[22:02] <heysoundude> 18.04.19...midnight Zulu tomorrow, I guess
[22:05] <wxl> to be clear the INTENTION is to release it on the 19th
[22:05] <wxl> but sometimes things get messed up
[22:05] <wxl> that's rare
[22:05] <wxl> the time is never specified, either, so assume EoD
[22:23] <heysoundude> alrighty...sometime thursday, then.