[16:34] <Glaisher> I used to use ubuntu 12 some months ago
[16:34] <Glaisher> and then switched to windows
[16:34] <Glaisher> and then 14.04 now
[16:35] <boerax> Glaisher: sysctl vm.swappiness
[16:35] <Glaisher> It used to work totally fine back then
[16:35] <Glaisher> vm.swappiness = 60
[16:35] <v0lksman> OerHeks: thanks. My problem seems to revolve around permissions but here is a paste, can you see why it doesn't rotate out?  https://dpaste.de/q8d7
[16:36] <boerax> Ask an expert over here if the swap value is correct in combination with your computer
[16:37] <Glaisher> ok.. where is the expert I should ping? :)
[16:37] <boerax> Glaisher: gksudo gedit /etc/sysctl.conf opens the file. change the value of vm.swappiness: 60 to " 10" instead
[16:37] <v0lksman> Glaisher: why are you hitting swap?
[16:37] <bekks> Glaisher: Dont touch that file, your swapiness is totally ok.
[16:37] <bekks> Glaisher: Pastebin "free -m" instead.
[16:37] <Glaisher> what does swappiness do?
[16:38] <boerax> bekks: Isnt it better to downgrade the value in case of a slow computer with less RAM?
[16:38] <bekks> Glaisher: It controls when your computer starts to swap.
[16:38] <bekks> boerax: "in case" - lets find out wether "it's the case" or not.
[16:39] <abidjon> how do u download videos from other sites
[16:39] <Glaisher> https://dpaste.de/BHMx
[16:39] <Glaisher> doubt that its RAM or sth
[16:39] <Glaisher> even Windows doesn't freeze
[16:39] <bekks> Glaisher: you have 1.8G RAM, and only 1.1G used.
[16:39] <bekks> Glaisher: So take a look at the logs.
[16:40] <Glaisher> what should I look for in the logs?
[16:40] <v0lksman> OerHeks: nvm..I think I got it...-v instead of -d to test
[16:40] <v0lksman> ll
[16:40] <bekks> Glaisher: Anomalies. It's hard to tell what to look for when we dont know what happens.
[16:41] <Glaisher> I'm not used to this type of logs you know.. I know what to look for in php/apache type of logs ;)
[16:42] <OerHeks> v0lksman, ah, missed that
[16:43] <boerax> i need som BitchX for 2night
[16:44] <OerHeks> boerax, not in our repos
[16:44] <boerax> i know ;-P
[16:45] <boerax> long  time ago i used that
[16:46] <hajj> hello fellas
[16:46] <hajj> can someone help me
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !ask | hajj
[16:47] <hajj> i want to download idm in ubuntu
[16:47] <TJ-> Glaisher: Is this a Desktop freeze? does it affect mouse movement just screen updates. Very often that can be a symptom of a failing disk drive and checking /var/log/kern.log reveals repeated I/O errors
[16:48] <hajj> okay and thanks @lotuspsy
[16:48] <Glaisher> TJ-: everything freezes.. I've to reboot from the power switch each time
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> hajj: http://askubuntu.com/questions/366525/idm-like-softwares-in-ubuntu
[16:49] <hajj> okay
[16:50] <hajj> but am new in ubuntu..............
[16:50] <TJ-> Glaisher: ouch! That'd make me suspect overheating
[16:50] <Glaisher> I've no idea why that would happen...
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !manual | hajj
[16:51] <garrettkajmowicz> How can I get Ubuntu to update the version of VMWare Horizon View Client they have in their repository? The version they have is years old.
[16:52] <hajj> can i connect my ipad and sync music over it ?
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> garrettkajmowicz: package name and ubuntu version?
[16:55] <garrettkajmowicz> lotuspsychje: vmware-view-client (2.2.0-0ubuntu0.14.04).  Current software version: https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/details?downloadGroup=VIEWCLIENTS_LINUX_34&productId=421&rPId=8308
[16:55] <hajj> ubuntu 15.10 Alpha
[16:55] <hajj> 32bit
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> !wily | hajj
[16:56] <OerHeks> garrettkajmowicz, https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/details?downloadGroup=VIEWCLIENTS_LINUX_34&productId=421&rPId=8308  gives me 3.4
[16:57] <hajj> okay and where can i discuss that ?
[16:57] <garrettkajmowicz> OerHeks: That's correct. The version which the Ubuntu repository has is 2.2, which is incompatible with more recent servers.
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> hajj: the trigger names the right channel
[16:57] <hajj> hmmm
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> hajj: #ubuntu+1
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> !latest | garrettkajmowicz
[16:58] <OerHeks> garrettkajmowicz, ubuntu repo's?? VMM is the open source version
[16:58] <Micromus> So I'm downloading 14.04 mini.iso from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD - Why does it still install instead 15.04!?!?
[16:58] <OerHeks> not  VMWare Horizon View Client
[17:00] <Gill> Hey guys. I am having issues configuring a VLAN Tag on 1 interface. can anyone help me out please?
[17:00] <hajj> wired though
[17:01] <garrettkajmowicz> lotuspsychje: 2.2.0 is 3 years old. It also doesn't work with more recent servers, which is why this is an issue.
[17:01] <hajj> am out of here guys will be back at 00:00
[17:02] <arvislacis> Can anyone help with this? http://pastebin.com/TwAJ29ya
[17:02] <Charles_jonsen> Hey guys. I used Ctrl+Alt+F1 to enter terminal. Please how do I exit?
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> !info vmware-view-client
[17:02] <OerHeks> garrettkajmowicz, so get the latest from vmware website?
[17:02] <garrettkajmowicz> OerHeks: I'm looking in aptitude and the only vmm I see is virtual mail manager.
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> !info vmware-view-client trusty
[17:03] <garrettkajmowicz> OerHeks: Package installation is a pain. Here's the details of the steps required to get it to work: https://communities.vmware.com/message/2483258
[17:03] <OerHeks> !info vmware-manager
[17:03] <garrettkajmowicz> lotuspsychje: It's in the partner repo
[17:04] <dgm816> Charles_jonsen, alt-f7
[17:04] <drmagoo> Gill: what do you need help with ?
[17:04] <Gill> i cant get it to spak on the vlan interface but i just found out that I can make the switch U and not have to deal with the config on the server
[17:04] <Gill> gonna try that real quick
[17:04] <Gill> thanks drmagoo
[17:05] <garrettkajmowicz> OerHeks: That would let me manage vmware virtual machines from a command line. It doesn't look like it would let me view the clients themselves. Hence the vmware horizon view client.
[17:05] <Charles_jonsen> dgm816 thanks so much
[17:05] <drmagoo> Gill: ok =) let me know if there are any issues
[17:07] <Gill> thanks!! :)
[17:07] <Gill> trying it now
[17:07] <Charles_jonsen> [17:59] (Charles_jonsen) I'm new to using Linux and I need guidance on where to start my learning. I'm open to learning anything helpful. Thanks Guys.
[17:07] <insane> dsadsa
[17:08] <dgm816> Charles_jonsen, man pages and google searches will be the best resource
[17:08] <insane> \list
[17:08] <insane> how can i search for available channels?
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> !alis | insane
[17:08] <dgm816> use: /list
[17:09] <garrettkajmowicz> OerHeks: So how do I get Ubuntu to update the version of the software being shipped?
[17:09] <insane> i tried (forwardslash) list
[17:09] <insane> doesnt work
[17:09] <insane> alis
[17:09] <dgm816> oh, maybe a freenode thing.. try the alis i suppose
[17:09] <insane> !alis
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> insane: its / not \
[17:10] <insane> does type anything with that either
[17:10] <insane> doesnt i mean
[17:10] <insane> god knows whats wrong
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> insane: this is an ubuntu support channel, join #freenode for irc help
[17:11] <shbm> .
[17:11] <insane> yes sir!
[17:11] <insane> #freenode
[17:11] <shbm> irssi anyone?
[17:11] <insane> join #freenode
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> shbm: what about it?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> insane: type /join #freenode
[17:15] <lala> Say if I want to use my Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 LTS not only on my local network, but configure it with a subdomain, how would I do so? I already made the IP address static on my local network by using `sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces/`.
[17:15] <jpds> lala: #ubuntu-server
[17:15] <insane> join #freenode
[17:22] <Foxhoundz> join freedom(tm)
[17:24] <jessy> hi there.
[17:24] <Charles_jonsen> jessy hi
[17:24] <jessy> I'm having trouble connecting my epson nx230 printer to the wifi router
[17:25] <Charles_jonsen> What problem exactly?
[17:26] <manuel_> hola
[17:26] <jessy> Charles_jonsen, I can connect the printer using the USB cable
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> !es | manuel_
[17:27] <jessy> Charles_jonsen, but cant find the way to set up the wifi connection to the router
[17:31] <Charles_jonsen> jessy you're probably using an old distribution of Ubuntu and you may lack the drivers to connect with the printer using USB. More recent distros are pretty straight forward
[17:32] <jessy> I AM able to connect using USB cable
[17:32] <jessy> Charles_jonsen, My problem is setting up the printer to connect to the router
[17:34] <Austneal> I'm trying to install "ircd-hybrid" IRC server, but I keep getting the error "Unable to locate package ircd-hybrid"... Any ideas on what to do next? I've tried  apt-get update with no success
[17:34] <Charles_jonsen> Anyone able to help jessy with that?
[17:36] <Rave1> jessy  is there some sort of  "connect to WIFI" in the printers menu
[17:36] <jessy> Rave1, yes
[17:36] <Rave1> not really an ubuntu issue though
[17:36] <Rave1> so use the printer software to connect
[17:37] <jessy> Rave1, that is my problem
[17:37] <jessy> Rave1, What is the software to configure an Epson NX230's wifi?
[17:37] <mistralol> jessy: but thats a problem between the printer and your router. neither of which are running ubuntu
[17:37] <Austneal> I'm trying to install "ircd-hybrid" IRC server on Ubuntu server, but I keep getting the error "Unable to locate package ircd-hybrid"... Any ideas on what to do next? I've tried  apt-get update with no success
[17:38] <bekks> jessy: The software supplied on the CD which is shipped with the printer.
[17:38] <Rave1> and  it may be an router or  epson problem  not the ubuntu OS
[17:39] <jessy> Rave1, I thought you help people using Ubuntu?
[17:39] <Rave1> jessy the printer has its own software to connect to the router
[17:39] <c0b> hi, is there an official document on how ubuntu packages maintenance works? I'm curious on how to get started backporting bugfixes
[17:39] <BBLLCC> my machine needs 5 minutes to load and it has 90GB free space. I think my machine fully checks itself for errors every time I boot it. How do I check if it is the case and how do I edit it?
[17:39] <mistralol> BBLLCC: are you shutting it down correctly. The checks should not be required
[17:40] <BBLLCC> yes i shut it down correclty
[17:40] <mistralol> does it actually shut its self all the way down?
[17:40] <jessy> Rave1, Right. So can you help me to configure my printer?
[17:40] <Rave1> jessy does it connect to the router?
[17:41] <mistralol> jessy: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?UseCookie=yes&infoType=FAQ&oid=182103&prodoid=63091200&foid=229598
[17:41] <jessy> Rave1, I can't find software for Ubuntu that let me configure the printer properly
[17:41] <Rave1> jessy   look in the printer menu  in your ubuntu   select network printer and it should scan and see your printer
[17:41] <mistralol> I doubt epson have support for running the software under ubuntu. This is not ubuntu's fault it is epson's
[17:42] <bekks> jessy: So use the software epson ships on the cd.
[17:42] <Rave1> honestly no idea if it will be there  never owned and epson
[17:42] <BBLLCC> mistralol, yes
[17:42] <Gill> drmagoo: hey setting it to U didnt work
[17:43] <Sewerrat> can anyone reccomend a cheap chromebook which works well with ubuntu?
[17:43] <mistralol> BBLLCC: it is doing a filesystem scan on boot which is what takes the time?
[17:43] <Gill> was telling me my network was unreachable
[17:43] <jessy> bekks, I should know that manufacturers never provide software for linux users
[17:43] <Gill> So I guess I need to set it back to T and figure out why my vlan setup didnt work?
[17:43] <mistralol> jessy: do the printer have a network port in it as well as wifi?
[17:43] <jessy> bekks, we rely on the community
[17:43] <Austneal> I'm trying to install "ircd-hybrid" IRC server on Ubuntu server, but I keep getting the error "Unable to locate package ircd-hybrid"... Any ideas on what to do next? I've tried  apt-get update with no success
[17:44] <BBLLCC> mistralol, i believe so but cannot be sure
[17:44] <jessy> mistralol, no
[17:44] <bekks> jessy: So how does that change that you have to use the software shipped with the printer?
[17:44] <Rave1> jessy have you even tried  to  use   "printers" in the menu
[17:44] <insane> #ubuntu-artwork
[17:45] <mistralol> jessy: then the only way to get it to work is run their software under windows. or mayby try wine? :D
[17:45] <Rave1> jessy  ubuntu has good built in support for many printers
[17:45] <jessy> mistralol, someone configured it for me some time ago and I had to change the router and not it doesn't work any more
[17:46] <jessy> Rave1, I got it printing using a USB cable
[17:46] <mistralol> BBLLCC: it checks every time?
[17:46] <mistralol> jessy: if it prints with usb cable whats the problem?
[17:46] <jessy> Rave1, my problem is to configure printer's wifi connection
[17:46] <mistralol> which yu will need to do from windows
[17:46] <bekks> jessy: The answer and possible solutions have already been given.
[17:47] <mistralol> if you phone epson they will talk you though it
[17:47] <Rave1> jessy   so in that same menu  if it connected to the router   select network printer rather than USB connected printer
[17:47] <bekks> Rave1: Which doesnt configure the printer to be using his wifi.
[17:47] <BBLLCC> yes mistralol
[17:48] <Rave1> bekks   it does for 2 HP printers right here  why would epson be any different
[17:48] <jessy> Rave1, the printer is an old Epson NX230
[17:48] <mistralol> BBLLCC: something is probably triggering the check. Which is really what to find out. It normally doesnt check unless it s marked as dirty for some reason
[17:48] <mistralol> BBLLCC: are you duel boot or anything like that?
[17:48] <jessy> Rave1, and does not have a digital menu.
[17:48] <BBLLCC> no
[17:48] <bekks> Rave1: It doesnt for any HP printers. Take it out of the box, and just selecting network rinter does not configure an IP address on the printer, after not selecting the wifi and not entering the wifi credentials.
[17:48] <Rave1> jessy   so you are wasting your time and ours
[17:49] <bekks> Rave1: The problem is at a lower lever than you think.
[17:49] <jessy> Rave1, thanks a lot for your help
[17:49] <bekks> jessy: You need some Windows to run the Epson software.
[17:49] <Rave1> bekks  honestly   mine connected basicly auto-magicly
[17:49] <jessy> bekks, thanks guys
[17:50] <jiulwe> Curious why Firefox 39 is taking so long to be updated on Ubuntu
[17:50] <insane> freenode.net
[17:50] <insane> #freenode
[17:51] <drmagoo> Gill: sorry, so what are you trying to do? Just enable a vlan?
[17:52] <Gill> drmagoo: no problemo. Yes I am trying to tag a vlan
[17:52] <Gill> basicaly want the server to be on VLAN 20
[17:52] <Gill> I killed my switch though I am in the process of factory resetting it
[17:52] <mistralol> BBLLCC: i would suggest turning off the splash and see what it is really doing and confirm it is doing a fs check
[17:52] <Gill> setting the port to U did nothing
[17:53] <drmagoo> Gill: you have installed the vlan package ?
[17:53] <Gill> yes
[17:53] <Gill> will you be around in like 5 minutes?
[17:53] <jiulwe> anybody have an ETA on when Ubuntu will receive Firefox 39
[17:53] <drmagoo> yes I will be
[17:53] <JunkHunk> hi could anyone help me to connect to my printer using eth1?
[17:54] <Gill> cool thanks brb sorry I just dont have that switch right now so nothing will work
[17:54] <jiulwe> @junk, what kind of printer
[17:54] <Austneal> Which you can probably get with Chrome's dev tools :P
[17:54] <JunkHunk> I use eth0 to get dsl connection from my router
[17:54] <Austneal> oops... ignore me
[17:54] <JunkHunk> its a brother
[17:54] <Arduino> why dont you connect your printer to your network
[17:54] <Austneal> I'm trying to install "ircd-hybrid" IRC server on Ubuntu server, but I keep getting the error "Unable to locate package ircd-hybrid"... Any ideas on what to do next? I've tried  apt-get update with no success
[17:54] <jiulwe> @junk, just attach printer to a switch
[17:54] <JunkHunk> because I have no more router ports
[17:54] <bekks> !info ircd-hybrid
[17:54] <jiulwe> buy a switch, hold on a sec
[17:54] <Arduino> use a switch
[17:55] <viknesh> i just found flat ui theme for terminal here https://goo.gl/W7iLMj , i extracted the archive and found to have a xml file , how could i use it to change the theme for terminal
[17:55] <JunkHunk> it is  wireless for the rest of computers but mines has no wifi
[17:55] <Arduino> your computer can't act like a switch
[17:55] <bekks> Austneal: Which Ubuntu release do you use?
[17:55] <jiulwe> this is a good switch to buy: http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-SG105-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00A128S24/ref=sr_1_2/184-3775422-8675101?ie=UTF8&qid=1436205307&sr=8-2&keywords=tplink+switch
[17:55] <JunkHunk> no?
[17:55] <JunkHunk> it is ubuntu
[17:55] <bekks> jessy: No, it' a TP-Link :)
[17:55] <viknesh> i guess this not the right place to ask , just asking , if anybody have experience on it
[17:55] <JunkHunk> cannot ubuntu be turned into a switch?
[17:55] <Arduino> no
[17:55] <bekks> Arduino: Of course it can.
[17:56] <JunkHunk> I knew it!
[17:56] <bekks> Arduino: All you need are sufficient networking ports.
[17:56] <jiulwe> anybody know how I can find out about Ubuntu being updated to Firefox 39
[17:56] <JunkHunk> I have two network cards
[17:56] <JunkHunk> one connects my computer to the router
[17:56] <Arduino> that changes things
[17:56] <JunkHunk> I will use the other to connect to the printer
[17:56] <Arduino> OH
[17:57] <Austneal> bekks: 12.10
[17:57] <bekks> !12.10
[17:57] <bekks> Austneal: Update to a supported release please.
[17:57] <JunkHunk> bekks how to configure an ubuntu switch?
[17:58] <baja> hi people i have downloaded netbeans 8.0.2linux.sh how do i run it?
[17:58] <Austneal> bekks: Ok, will check back
[17:58] <Arduino> you should use ubuntu 14
[17:58] <baja> so that i can install netbeans
[17:58] <bekks> JunkHunk: Enable routing and setting up iptables.
[17:58] <baja> any one help
[17:59] <JunkHunk> bekks is that needed? I dont want internet for the printer just to send jobs to it from my pc
[17:59] <Arduino> baja: run it from a terminal
[17:59] <baja> how?
[17:59] <Arduino> baja: navigate to it a execute it
[17:59] <Austneal> bekks: I seem to have a problem... http://pastebin.com/avfJwY5D
[17:59] <baja> ok
[18:00] <Arduino> if it is a script use ./name of script
[18:00] <JunkHunk> bekks the printer has a working ip already...
[18:00] <bekks> Austneal: You have that issue since May 2014.
[18:00] <baja> what is the command to execute im already there
[18:00] <bekks> !eolupgrade | Austneal
[18:01] <Arduino> baja: enter ./the name of the file you want to execute
[18:01] <Austneal> bekks: Am I going to have to do a fresh install? >.>
[18:01] <bekks> Austneal: No. You have to read the link given by ubottu.
[18:01] <OerHeks> baja, what howto are you using?
[18:02] <Arduino> bye
[18:03] <BBLLCC> how do I turn off splash?
[18:03] <Austneal> bekks: I'm stuck on step one... it's telling me to run the "deb" command, but I'm getting "No command 'deb' found"
[18:04] <bekks> Austneal: Which howto are you following?
[18:04] <ErfanBs> when i plug my external hard i see this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832026/
[18:04] <Austneal> The 2nd one
[18:04] <bekks> Austneal: So read it closely. It clearly doesnt tell you to run any "deb" command.
[18:05] <bekks> It tells you: "To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following, with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal. "
[18:05] <zykotick9> Austneal: deb isn't a command, i think you are looking at the contents of sources.list
[18:05] <OerHeks> ErfanBs, use windows to do a chkdsk, ntfs is unhealty
[18:05] <Austneal> zykotick9: oh boy... so where is sources.list located? :/
[18:06] <zykotick9> Austneal: /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:06] <Austneal> zykotick9: So, should I overwrite my sources.list file with that one?
[18:07] <Austneal> zykotick9: or just append that?
[18:07] <zykotick9> Austneal: editing/replacing is probably a better plan...
[18:12] <Austneal> zykotick9: That didnt seem to work... still getting the error
[18:13] <zykotick9> Austneal: did you "sudo apt-get update" after making the change?
[18:14] <zykotick9> Austneal: warning, i've never actually done an EOL upgrade myself...
[18:14] <Austneal> zykotick9: I may have had a typo in my sources.list... going to correct and retry
[18:16] <reactormonk> keyword too short (keywords need to have at least two characters) <- how do I search for R?
[18:16] <reactormonk> via http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[18:16] <Austneal> zykotick9: Ok, that did a little more... different error this time: http://pastebin.com/jRv5D5uY
[18:17] <reactormonk> Also, lucene is like 10 years old, get your game up guys :-/
[18:17] <zykotick9> Austneal: i don't go to pastebin.com, mind using paste.ubuntu.com or something?
[18:17] <hobbet1> i am on lubuntu and my synaptic is coming up with this error Failed to fetch http://mirrors.namecheap.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-security/main/i18n/Translation-en  Hash Sum mismatch
[18:17] <hobbet1> Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[18:17] <ObrienDave> reactormonk, you don't. keyword too short (keywords need to have at least two characters) <- how do I search for R? seriously?
[18:17] <Austneal> zykotick9: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832094/
[18:18] <Gill> drmagoo: ok cool im ready now
[18:18] <Gill> switch it set up again
[18:18] <Gill> thanks for waiting for me
[18:18] <lapidary> upgraded to vivid; no problems!  I’m going to high-5 my toddler for sleeping through the upgrade :-)
[18:18] <reactormonk> ObrienDave, :-/ apparently site:packages.ubuntu.com is the way to go. Should work.
[18:19] <drmagoo> Gill: np, tell me what it is you are trying to do
[18:19] <zykotick9> Austneal: thanks for re-pasting.  sorry that error doesn't mean anything to me?!?  i've got no suggestions... mind sharing your current sources.list file perhaps?
[18:19] <Gill> I have a voice server on my network. So I am trying to add it to the voice VLAN (20)
[18:19] <Austneal> zykotick9: current sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832111/
[18:19] <Gill> so originally I had the server port on the switch set as T and I was trying to configureit through ubuntu
[18:19] <Gill> t
[18:20] <Gill> Then I realized I could set it as U and not have to deal with more configs so I tried that but it didnt work
[18:20] <Gill> so now I am back to trying T with the ubuntu config
[18:20] <Gill> before when it was T I could ping the system during boot but then it would become unresponsive
[18:20] <Gill> after boot
[18:21] <zykotick9> Austneal: what version are you using right now?  note: you can't skip releases...
[18:21] <TJ-> Gill: only usually Tag VLANs connected to upstream ports
[18:21] <drmagoo> Gill: have you read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlan
[18:21] <Austneal> zykotick9: I'm on 12.10 right now
[18:21] <Gill> yes i started there drmagoo
[18:22] <Gill> TJ-: so you dont tag the devices?
[18:22] <OerHeks> 12.10>13.04>13.10>14.04 ... i would reinstall, Austneal
[18:22] <TJ-> Gill: I have vlan99 on eth1 <> untagged switch port
[18:22] <Austneal> OerHeks: I'd REALLY rather not
[18:23] <Gill> now im even more confused
[18:23] <Gill> but the network is down
[18:23] <Gill> so I need to figure it out
[18:23] <drmagoo> Gill: ok, slow down. Do you have console/cli access to the machine ?
[18:23] <Austneal> zykotick9: I'm not seeing a place to choose what its updating to. Am I missing something?
[18:24] <TJ-> Gill:  do you it configured via Network Manager, or by ifup/down ?
[18:24] <TJ-> Gill ^want^
[18:24] <Gill> drmagoo: yes i do
[18:25] <Gill> TJ-: i dont know what the diff is its Ubuntu server
[18:25] <TJ-> Gill: ifupdown then
[18:25] <zykotick9> Austneal: you are currently trying to upgrade using quantal (12.10).  Sorry, I'm just not familiar enough with this EOL process to be assistance.  SORRY!  Best of luck.
[18:25] <TJ-> Gill:  I'll pastebin the config from one of my servers for you
[18:26] <Gill> thanks!
[18:26] <Austneal> zykotick9: Are you saying that I was trying to upgrade TO quantal?
[18:26] <Austneal> If so, that might be my problem....
[18:27] <OerHeks> Austneal, you do need old-release trick to be able to upgrade to 13.04
[18:27] <Jeffy> Hey guys, is anyone aware of 'ROS' from Ros.Org?
[18:27] <OerHeks> !oelupgrade
[18:27] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade
[18:27] <Austneal> OerHeks: That's what I'm currently following
[18:28] <OerHeks> Austneal, oke, should work AFAIK
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> !offtopic | Jeffy
[18:28] <Gill> oh i think i just got it!!
[18:28] <Gill> my firewall was to blame :(
[18:28] <baja_> how do i release space for booot
[18:28] <Gill> aaahhhhh so much wasted time
[18:28] <Gill> thanks drmagoo  and TJ- ! :)
[18:28] <TJ-> Gill FYI http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832153/
[18:29] <baja_> i was trying to download updates  but it said i have no enough boot space and i should clear
[18:29] <Gill> thanks TJ
[18:29] <baja_> how do i do?
[18:29] <Gill> yea mine is the same but DHCP
[18:29] <Jeffy> Does anyone know how to make 'rosmake --rosdep-install' work?
[18:29] <zykotick9> OerHeks: should Austneal's sources be talking about quantal (12.10) the version they are on, or the next release 13.04?
[18:29] <OerHeks> zykotick9, the current version, to get update manager core
[18:30] <baja_> how do i  make free boot space
[18:30] <zykotick9> Austneal: ^ so looks like it should be saying quantal... sorry, i gots nothin'.  good luck.
[18:31] <Austneal> OerHeks: this is my current sources.list, but it doesnt seem to be working: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832111/
[18:32] <EriC^^> baja: type dpkg -l | grep linux-image and pastebin it
[18:32] <EriC^^> baja: also type uname -r and paste here
[18:32] <baja> eric
[18:34] <OerHeks> Austneal, what happens when you update & upgrade/
[18:34] <OerHeks> cannot say anything without data
[18:34] <baja> grep???
[18:34] <EriC^^> baja: yeah
[18:34] <EriC^^> baja: type dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[18:34] <Austneal> OerHeks: This error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832094/
[18:35] <zykotick9> Austneal: for future - I'd suggest upgrading before your version becomes EOL.  The regular ubuntu release are only supported for 5 minutes these days, so using LTS releases is a lot less upgrading.
[18:35] <Austneal> zykotick9: I had an LTS on it about 10 minutes ago lol
[18:35] <baja> i have typed already
[18:36] <Austneal> Apparently I upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 12.10 on accident
[18:36] <baja> what do you mean by grep linux image?
[18:36] <Jeffy> Hey guys, does anyone know why I'm getting this error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832187/
[18:36] <drmagoo> Gill: np =)
[18:36] <EriC^^> baja: it's a command
[18:36] <zykotick9> Austneal: ahhh, LTS releases can be upgraded LTS->LTS so 12.04 could have jumped to 14.04...
[18:36] <EriC^^> baja: open a terminal and type the whole line
[18:36] <JunkHunk> bekks https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConnectionBridge
[18:37] <OerHeks> Austneal, so you might still be on 12.04 ... terminal: cat /etc/issue
[18:37] <Jeffy> Really need your help =]
[18:38] <OerHeks> Austneal, get a fresh sources.list form http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ and go to updates menu, set on LTS > LTS
[18:38] <baja> error no such file or directory @eric
[18:39] <EriC^^> baja: type dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[18:39] <Austneal> OerHeks: One sec, Its right in mid apt-update...
[18:40] <OerHeks> Jeffy, see their wiki about building? http://wiki.ros.org/jade/Installation/Ubuntu
[18:40] <newbie211> Does  NTFS -3g driver need to be installed in Ubunti 14.04 LTS ?
[18:41] <newbie211> Ubuntu*
[18:41] <Jeffy> DerHecks, I've looked at it & installed ROS Jade successfully but I just can't rosmake & rosdep
[18:41] <OerHeks> newbie211, no, ntfs is standard loaded
[18:42] <Jeffy> Do you think it could be because of the environment setup?
[18:42] <baja> bash: type: -l: not found
[18:43] <baja> erric
[18:43] <baja> eric
[18:43] <newbie211> My External HDD refuse to mount as I was unable to eject it from my windows boot...what would be the command in terminal to read and copy the file to my Ubuntu  partition
[18:43] <baja> Eric
[18:43] <EriC^^> baja: you typed type i think
[18:43] <OerHeks> Jeffy, could be so, you better find support with them, looks like it is all in their wiki
[18:43] <EriC^^> baja: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[18:44] <EriC^^> baja: type the above ^^
[18:44] <Jeffy> Gotcha
[18:44] <baja> i copy pasted and pasted in terminal
[18:44] <Gintaras> Hello, how to set default X -> xorg from command line ?
[18:45] <EriC^^> Gintaras: do you mean the symlink in /etc/X11 ? or ?
[18:45] <baja> command not found
[18:45] <baja> ive copy pasted it to the terminal
[18:45] <baja> and error
[18:45] <baja> command not found
[18:46] <EriC^^> baja: paste the exact error
[18:46] <ObrienDave> !enter
[18:46] <baja> baja:: command not found
[18:46] <EriC^^> you typed baja:
[18:46] <baja> baja@baja-HP-Pavilion-g6-Notebook-PC:~$ baja: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[18:46] <baja> baja:: command not found
[18:46] <EriC^^> focus with me
[18:46] <Austneal> OerHeks: This is taking awhile... I tried the next release's codename in the sources file and told it to update.... its been running since
[18:46] <EriC^^> baja: just dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[18:47] <ObrienDave> focus period ;P
[18:47] <baja> ok got it
[18:48] <baja> what next eric
[18:48] <EriC^^> ok highlight the text and go to paste.ubuntu.com
[18:48] <newbie211> OerHerks: help me
[18:48] <EriC^^> and click the middle mouse button to paste it there
[18:48] <Gintaras> EriC^^ now is KDE with autologin and run rdesktop to windows server, and kde is using more ram/cpu,  need start xorg with autologin and rdesktop. Command startx is starting kde, if to fresh ubuntu I install xorg command startx starting xorg. How to configure startx command to start xorg not kde ?
[18:48] <Austneal> newbie211: What do you need help with?
[18:49] <EriC^^> Gintaras: usually in other non-ubuntu distro
[18:49] <Jodsl> Which data are in EFI system partition?
[18:49] <EriC^^> distro's startx uses ~/.xinitrc
[18:49] <OerHeks> newbie211, if that ntfs is unhealthy , use windows to do a chkdsk, i wouldn; t use linux tools for that
[18:50] <newbie211> a terminal command of ntfs-3g to read my external hdd which refuses to mount in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. I was no able to safely eject it from my Windows boot
[18:50] <newbie211> not*
[18:50] <EriC^^> Gintaras: check here http://askubuntu.com/questions/310671/start-ubuntu-without-a-desktop-environment-but-start-an-x-application
[18:50] <ObrienDave> newbie211, there is NO linux equivalent for windows chkdsk
[18:50] <baja> then??
[18:51] <EriC^^> baja: upload the paste and give us the link please
[18:51] <OerHeks> refuses to mount for a reason >  fix reason.
[18:52] <zakulrekya> show links
[18:53] <baja> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832267/
[18:53] <baja> eric
[18:54] <baja> have you had a look at it?
[18:55] <baja> eric
[18:55] <EriC^^> baja: you don't seem to have a lot of kernels installed
[18:55] <DexterF> ObrienDave: fsck?
[18:55] <alanp> How do I override the libglib2.0-0 version in a dpkg package I'm making using shlibs.local? I have the idea correct but my format seems off because it's not working. I'm trying "libglib-2.0 0 libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.26.0)"
[18:55] <EriC^^> baja: can you pastebin the output of "df -h" ?
[18:55] <jayjo> I just messed something up somehow... I am running gunicorn in a screen session, but now I have no more screen sessions yet it is showing up in 'top
[18:55] <jayjo> how do i kill it?
[18:56] <ObrienDave> DexterF, it does NOT work as well as chkdsk. use at your own risk
[18:56] <DexterF> ObrienDave: ah, ntfs specific.
[18:57] <baja> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832285/
[18:57] <baja> eric
[18:58] <ObrienDave> DexterF, yes, if you really want to fix a NTFS drive, chkdsk is the best way to go
[19:02] <jayjo> in top I can see that the ubuntu user is running the command, but I don't see how it can be runnign it
[19:02] <jayjo> kind of lost on this one
[19:02] <jayjo> I don't have any detached screens
[19:05] <TJ-> jayjo: check the process's parent PID process
[19:06] <EriC^^> baja: boot looks fine
[19:06] <EriC^^> baja: you have 50% left with roughly 100mb
[19:06] <EriC^^> that's a good 2 kernels to spare
[19:07] <EriC^^> baja: whenever new kernels are installed, you will usually see a msg in apt-get about packages no longer needed, run sudo apt-get autoremove and it should clean it up for you :)
[19:07] <jayjo> TJ-: with 'ps l' I have three commands, -bash, -bash, and ps l;
[19:07] <jayjo> should I kill them all?
[19:08] <jayjo> I do see it with pstree -l but I don't know its origination
[19:08] <merpnderp> I'm been thinking very hard about moving from a MBP to an ubuntu system76 machine. What are some of the downsides I'll face?
[19:10] <hubrumph> merpnderp: "MBP to an ubuntu system76"? what is MBP?
[19:10] <TJ-> jayjo: look at the PPID, that's the parent ID... then see what process that is
[19:10] <TJ-> MacBook Pro I'd think
[19:10] <merpnderp> hubrumph: macbook pro
[19:11] <jayjo> TJ-: so it's  ├─gunicorn(28827)───gunicorn(29400)
[19:11] <hubrumph> merpnderp: You would have to see for yourself as far as the OS, run both really at first, if I understand your question.
[19:11] <TJ-> jayjo: Looks like 28827 has forked a child 29400. what does 28827 have as its PPID?
[19:12] <hobbet1> <---- wishes he had a system76 machine
[19:12] <jayjo> TJ-: init(1)
[19:12] <merpnderp> hubrumph: I run ubuntu on my servers, I just haven't used it as a desktop in years. I'm thinking I can use bittorent sync to replace all my icloud functionality.
[19:13] <TJ-> merpnderp: consider owncloud
[19:15] <tgm4883> TJ-: you could at least give him a brief why, considering he isn't asking about what to use to replace icloud
[19:15] <jayjo> If I can't tell where this process has originated from and there are no screens running, should I jsut kill the processes?
[19:16] <TJ-> jayjo: So that seems to suggest that gunicorn is started as a service by the init daemon
[19:18] <TJ-> jayjo: apt-file search reveals:  package gunicorn has system service /etc/init.d/gunicorn    so to stop it do "sudo service gunicorn stop"
[19:21] <Gintaras> How to view over vnc vga output ? Computer location office, and need to view desktop
[19:21] <merpnderp> TJ-: looks like owncloud is closed source like bt-sync. Why use it over bt-sync then?
[19:23] <TJ-> merpnderp: it's an open source host-your-own cross-device sharing platform, see https://owncloud.org/contribute/
[19:25] <TJ-> merpnderp: I've been evaluating various similar solutions over the past few months and am almost sure I'm going to use owncloud myself
[19:26] <TJ-> merpnderp: my only reservation is it's written in PHP and I'd rather have C++ or Java because I know I'll want to extend it myself :)
[19:30] <rebs> hey, firefox crashed and i dont see a pid in top but the window is still up
[19:30] <rebs> what do?
[19:31] <Ben64> rebs: ps aux | grep firefox
[19:32] <rebs> ty Ben64
[19:40] <varunwachaspati> Hello, all of my GNOME applications aren't functioning properly, while reinstalling screenshot I got this error - No such key 'external-editor' in schema 'org.gnome.eog.ui' as specified in override file '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override'; ignoring override for this key.
[19:40] <JunkHunk> hi I would like to do this:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConnectionBridge  but with static configuration and virtual adapters any idea?
[19:41] <varunwachaspati> Whenever I use screenshot it crashes in between and the screen fades out, any pointers will be appreciated. Thanks in advance
[19:41] <compdoc> I create bridges to use with KVM but dont know much about virtual adapters outside of virtual machines
[19:44] <CB6> Coming from windows is there any USB thumb drive tools you suggest that works well? Nothing is booting so far and it's pretty frustrating. The boot order is set to USB first so it should work but I don't think it's formatted right or something. Is there an app that's good for it?
[19:46] <CB6> The docs are a little ambiguous for Ubuntu because it doesn't actually specify where to find the installer tool. All you get is the ISO lol.
[19:46] <bprompt> CB6:    what's the original question again?
[19:47] <CB6> I just want to boot linux from USB and it's not seeing it when I start the computer
[19:48] <bprompt> CB6:     what machine make and model are you on?
[19:48] <CB6> Is there a USB tool that formats it in linux format and installs it properly onto the USB stick?
[19:48] <CB6> Using an Asus MB
[19:48] <CB6> would have to look one second lol
[19:48] <auronandace> CB6: you could just dd the ubuntu iso to a usb stick
[19:49] <ioria> CB6, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[19:49] <CB6> It didn't recognize on my Asus K53E laptop either so it has to be something to do with the USB drives. I've tried two of them so I must be putting it on the USB wrong or something
[19:49] <CB6> tried that interestingly
[19:49] <auronandace> CB6: uefi?
[19:49] <CB6> For the Laptop ya
[19:49] <bprompt> CB6:   so, you downloaded the iso, and burned it to an usb stick... right?
[19:50] <CB6> using pendrive linux yes
[19:50] <bprompt> CB6:     have you booted any usb stick on that machine yet?
[19:50] <CB6> historically just DVD iso's for both
[19:51] <CB6> I don't have any currently and don't want any now so this would be ideal if I can make it work.
[19:51] <bprompt> CB6:     I've found that some machines bios, won't do usb-boot unless you set CSM-Legacy in bios ON
[19:51] <baja> hey people is there a log for previous used commands
[19:52] <CB6> k53e online says it can but I'm not really sure how
[19:52] <BBLLCC> how do I turn off splash?
[19:52] <CB6> I strongly suspect it's just the USB sticks not formatted right or something
[19:52] <bprompt> CB6:    so... .the likelyhood is, the usb is bootable, just your system isn't doing usb-boot for whatever reason
[19:52] <baja> in case i wan to use the commands in the future
[19:52] <CB6> on both machines?
[19:52] <baja> where are the commands recently used
[19:52] <baja> stored
[19:52] <bprompt> CB6:   don't need to format them, just a "raw write" of the iso include bootloader and system files
[19:54] <OerHeks> baja, in ~/.bash_history
[19:56] <bprompt> CB6:      you're doing this in windows, right?
[19:56] <CB6> ya lol
[19:57] <CB6> in 07/08 I used to run Fedora but not on these machines
[19:57] <CB6> If it was CD/DVD I know they would boot. It's the USB that's an issue and who knows why on a modern machine? Some machines don't even have drives anymore
[19:58] <bprompt> CB6:    http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/   <---- use that, to burn the iso to the usb stick, that'd do a raw write of it
[19:58] <CB6> thanks for all the advice so far
[19:59] <auronandace> CB6: i've found you usually have to jump through a few hoops to boot from usb on uefi machines
[19:59] <CB6> Are Asus machines prone to not booting linux on USB? Both my desktop and laptop are Asus. Desktop is custom build but same MB manufacturer anyhow.
[20:00] <OerHeks> If it has EFI bios, see the UEFI manual
[20:00] <CB6> my whole selecting of an Nvidia card was because it's good with Linux drivers typically.
[20:00] <OerHeks> !uefi
[20:00] <bprompt> CB6:     as I said, I found at least once, on a toshiba machine, that because it wasn't set to csm-legacy mode, and instead was set to use uefi, it didn't allow the usb-boot, once I changed it to csm-legacy, is all I did, the usb stick booted, though it was bootable all along
[20:00] <auronandace> CB6: i've had to do bios updates just to get the option to boot usb, but in your case it may be some legacy option or disabling secure boot
[20:01] <OerHeks> and disable fastboot, that can be a cause not booting USB
[20:04] <CB6> trying to make it a live usb stick
[20:04] <CB6> all kinds of interesing
[20:06] <CautionHazardous> UEFI Boot is disabled
[20:07] <bprompt> CB6:    the likelyhood is, the usb stick IS already bootable, you system just isn't doing the usb-boot
[20:08] <CautionHazardous> Is there ever a case of the splash screen showing up for the MB and missing the linux "press any key to load"?
[20:08] <OerHeks> bprompt, most likely ndeed
[20:09] <startingPy> Hi there I got a question regarding python maybe someone here can help me, I want to read a text file and and to filter out certain words
[20:11] <OerHeks> there is an excellent #python help channel, startingPy
[20:11] <startingPy> anyone has a idea how to do that? I have that: http://pastebin.com/sx1m3065
[20:11] <startingPy> OerHeks: yes but I have to register to enter
[20:12] <mustmodify> Hey guys. I'm having a critical production issue. Hoping you can shed some light. per `df` I am not out of space on / ... but I am unable to write any files to /tmp. Any ideas?
[20:12] <OerHeks> startingPy, that is easy, register your name with Freenode, that is all.
[20:12] <OerHeks> !register
[20:12] <startingPy> OerHeks: you mean the #python channel or is there another one?
[20:12] <OerHeks> they hate spambots
[20:13] <OerHeks> This channel is free without registering, that is the difference.
[20:15] <CautionHazardous> fastboot might be the reason looking into this
[20:16] <mustmodify> Hey guys. I'm having a critical production issue. Hoping you can shed some light. per `df` I am not out of space on / ... but I am unable to write any files to /tmp. Any ideas?
[20:16] <drmagoo> mustmodify: can you please provide us with a pastebin of 'df -h' and mount ?
[20:18] <Austneal> OerHeks: It worked! I'm on 13.04
[20:19] <mustmodify> drmagoo: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/967d218ee4d1bcf8dc51
[20:19] <OerHeks> Austneal, great, 2 more upgrades to go
[20:19] <Austneal> OerHeks: and now my IRC server is installing :D
[20:21] <drmagoo> mustmodify: do you get any error message, when you try to write to /tmp ?
[20:21] <rtreleaven> mustmodify try this echo test > /tmp/test.txt
[20:21] <Austneal> OerHeks: everything is showing 13.04, but webmin is still showing 12.10.... is that something I should worry about?
[20:22] <mustmodify> rtreleaven: veronica ~: echo "test" > /tmp/test.tmp bash: /tmp/test.tmp: Invalid argument
[20:22] <jhutchins> Austneal: Yes, webmin really should be removed.
[20:22] <OerHeks> ouch, webmin and upgrades.. webmin is not debian compatible.
[20:22] <bekks> !webmin | Austneal
[20:23] <Austneal> Do you know of any alternatives?
[20:23] <jhutchins> Austneal: This is exactly the kind of problem it has, getting out of sync with the system.
[20:23] <Austneal> I don't use it much... but its kinda handy every now and then
[20:23] <bekks> Austneal: You could use zentyal.
[20:23] <jhutchins> Austneal:  FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega.  Don't use <Webmin>.  http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
[20:24] <rtreleaven> mustmodify do you have a /tmp ?
[20:24] <jhutchins> mustmodify: is /tmp in ram or on disk (use the mount command).
[20:25] <CautionHazardous> For "Boot Option Priorities" would the USB typically show up as an option for a UEFI system?
[20:27] <Seven_Six_Two> mustmodify, did you do the whole command,       echo "test" > /tmp/test.tmp
[20:28] <Austneal> jhutchins: Can't seem to find the package to uninstall it :/
[20:29] <jhutchins> Austneal: EVen worse, installed outside the package system.
[20:29] <Seven_Six_Two> Austneal, it could be in /opt
[20:30] <Austneal> Seven_Six_Two: opt is empty :/
[20:30] <jhutchins> Austneal: You can try /etc/webmin/uninstall.sh - but BACKUP FIRST!
[20:30] <dawciobiel> W jaki sposób bezbole?nie zaszyfrowa? folder na pendrivie lub ca?? partycj? u¿ywaj?c darmowego oprogramowania. Tak aby mo¿na by?o rozszyfrowa? zawarto?? na innym ho?cie (równie¿ linux) ??
[20:30] <jhutchins> !pl
[20:31] <mustmodify> Seven_Six_Two: yes
[20:31] <mustmodify> I ran that whole command.
[20:32] <Seven_Six_Two> mustmodify, from your reply, it looked like you included    veronica ~:
[20:32] <mustmodify> sorry, that's my prompt
[20:33] <rtreleaven> mustmodify try stat /tmp
[20:33] <Seven_Six_Two> mustmodify, can you pastebin output of root file system?        ls -al | pastebinit
[20:33] <mustmodify> just discovered that there is an "Immutable" flag on /tmp ... not sure why
[20:34] <jhutchins> mustmodify: also the output of sudo mount
[20:34] <Seven_Six_Two> Austneal, webmin is web based, right? It, or a link to it, should be in your document root. Probably /var/www
[20:34] <dawciobiel> How i can encrypt my pendrive (partition or folder - no matter) to be able to decrypt on another host (linux)? Software has to be free of charge.
[20:35] <Austneal> Seven_Six_Two: I dont think so. Its running on a seperate port than Apache
[20:35] <Austneal> Seven_Six_Two: So it must have its own service running
[20:35] <Seven_Six_Two> Austneal, apache can serve on multiple ports
[20:35] <jhutchins> Austneal: did you find /etc/webmin/uninstall.sh?
[20:35] <Austneal> jhutchins: Yeah, its there
[20:35] <jhutchins> Austneal: I believe it still uses apache to serve the interface, but uses an alternate port (always has).
[20:36] <bekks> Austneal: dpkg -l | grep webmin
[20:36] <jhutchins> Austneal: That's supposed to clean it up properly, stop the service, etc.
[20:36] <Seven_Six_Two> Like a control port? maybe, but the apache link might still show a fs location, like /usr/share/webmin
[20:37] <jhutchins> bekks: Given that webmin hasn't been supported in ubuntu for a while, it would not be unexpected that it was not installed through apt.
[20:37] <Austneal> Seven_Six_Two: I'm pretty sure I can stop Apache and still access webmin... I might be wrong though
[20:37] <bekks> jhutchins: Good point.
[20:37] <jhutchins> Austneal: You could try and see.
[20:37] <Austneal> I'll try the uninstall.sh... but I need to back up first
[20:37] <Seven_Six_Two> Austneal, maybe, but the point I'm making is that it can show you a filesystem location for webmin, if the installer doesn't work
[20:37] <jhutchins> Austneal: Did you install it for your own use, or for clients to use?
[20:37] <mustmodify> jhutchins: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/442f344eb04fd267339c
[20:37] <mustmodify> Seven_Six_Two: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/442f344eb04fd267339c
[20:38] <Austneal> jhutchins: for my own use
[20:38] <mustmodify> even as root, can't unset immutable flag with chattr -i
[20:39] <jhutchins> mustmodify: The sticky bit is set so that anybody can write to /tmp, but only the person who owns a file can remove it.
[20:39] <jhutchins> mustmodify: That's standard on GNU Linux.
[20:39] <histo> mustmodify: that's normal
[20:40] <jhutchins> mustmodify: That's not immutable.
[20:40] <Seven_Six_Two> mustmodify, please try                               cd /tmp && touch ./tempfile.txt && echo "test" > tempfile.txt                   and return result
[20:41] <jhutchins> mustmodify: (Unsurprisingly, immutable is an "i" in lsattr)
[20:42] <wiko> waoo  soy espanol
[20:42] <jhutchins> mustmodify: http://www.adminarticles.com/file-attributes/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/432699/what-is-the-t-letter-in-the-output-of-ls-ld-tmp
[20:42] <jhutchins> !es
[20:42] <wiko> dificil para mi comunicarme
[20:43] <wiko> ohh thansk  you al menos eso se decir
[20:43] <wiko> #ubuntu-es
[20:44] <Seven_Six_Two> wiko, /join #ubuntu-es
[20:52] <x3464> Anyone privy as to why Firefox 39 hasn't been added to the security updates?
[20:53] <histo> !info firefox
[20:54] <bekks> x3464: Because packaging and testing isnt finished yet.
[20:55] <histo> x3464: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[20:56] <x3464> thanks histo
[20:57] <mustmodify> So basically I can't write to /tmp at all, and no amount of setting permissions or whatever will help.
[20:58] <bekks> mustmodify: So what are the permissions of /tmp ?
[20:59] <mustmodify> 1777
[20:59] <mustmodify> bekk: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/38123b7414c3d73cf5b7
[21:00] <bekks> mustmodify: And whats the outcome of touch /tmp/testfile.txt ?
[21:00] <mustmodify> "touch: setting times of `/tmp/testfile.txt': No such file or directory"
[21:01] <bekks> mustmodify: Can you pastebin the output of "dmesg" please?
[21:03] <mustmodify> bekks: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/306d704a70d64e84f49f
[21:04] <bekks> mustmodify: Which Ubuntu is it?
[21:05] <mustmodify> lucid 10.04
[21:05] <bekks> !10.04
[21:06] <bekks> mustmodify: Please update to a supported release first.
[21:06] <mustmodify> bekks: Right, and I'm actually migrating as we speak.
[21:06] <mustmodify> Well, I mean, the new server is being tested.
[21:07] <mustmodify> I guess our site will just be down until I'm done.
[21:27] <rrva> my DNS server (unbound) has trouble looking up archive.ubuntu.com. Is there some dns cache poisoning going on?
[21:27] <rrva> Logs at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832922/
[21:32] <karthik> heyy guys,,
[21:32] <karthik> I have issue with login loop
[21:32] <karthik> can someone help me here?
[21:33] <EriC^^> karthik: press ctrl+alt+f1 then type ls -l ~/.Xauthority after logging in
[21:33] <karthik> Hi eric
[21:33] <EriC^^> hi
[21:33] <karthik> I tried. it asked me for login usernmae and password.. I was able to enter only user name
[21:33] <karthik> I couldnt enter password
[21:34] <EriC^^> in ctrl+alt+f1?
[21:34] <karthik> Yes
[21:34] <karthik> I was asked for login credentials when I entered ctrl+alt+f1
[21:35] <karthik> I am a newbie.. windows refuggee :)
[21:35] <EriC^^> you dont get a password prompt after putting the username?
[21:35] <drmagoo>  rrva it looks wrong. dynect.net mean somethign to you ?
[21:36] <rrva> i've forced my server to forward queries to <IP_ADDRESS> for this zone for now
[21:36] <rrva> question is how I can make it fall back to that when poisoning is detected
[21:36] <rrva> it detects the poisoning attempt
[21:37] <karthik> @eric. There is a password promt but I couldnt type anything. I could only press enter
[21:39] <EriC^^> karthik: it's normal, the password doesn't show
[21:39] <EriC^^> karthik: type the password then press enter
[21:39] <karthik> oh that explains.. i could login now
[21:39] <karthik> thanks..
[21:40] <karthik> so, I just enter this ls -l ~/.Xauthority?
[21:40] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:40] <EriC^^> is root the owner or your username?
[21:41] <drmagoo> rrva: you might want to have a look at unbound (unbound.net) Other then that, I dont really sure what programs there are for keeping tabs on the dns
[21:41] <karthik> No, I entered username and password while installing the package.
[21:41] <EriC^^> karthik: no, i mean after typing ls -l check if your username is the owner
[21:42] <EriC^^> you should see your username listed
[21:43] <histo> karthik: you should get output like -rwxr-xr-x someuser somegroup bytes date somefile
[21:43] <histo> karthik: from running ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[21:43] <karthik> oh yes, I could see my username
[21:44] <karthik> I could see /home/karthik/:'
[21:44] <EriC^^> is there a root root in it?
[21:45] <karthik> Nope, all i can see is desktop, documents, downloads..
[21:45] <karthik> There is no root
[21:45] <EriC^^> no i mean in ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[21:47] <EriC^^> karthik: type stat -c %u ~/.Xauthority
[21:47] <EriC^^> and paste what it says
[21:48] <karthik> I dont get output like "output like -rwxr-xr-x someuser somegroup bytes date somefile.."
[21:48] <karthik> Maybe i doing something wrong with cmd line.
[21:48] <karthik> let me check again
[21:48] <karthik> i'll do this output like -rwxr-xr-x someuser somegroup bytes date somefile
[21:48] <EriC^^> karthik: are you putting a space after ~/ maybe ?
[21:49] <EriC^^> ok, it is ls -l ( L not 1 btw )
[21:52] <karthik> stat -c %u ~/.Xauthority .. I get output as 1000
[21:53] <EriC^^> ok, i guess it's correct then
[21:53] <EriC^^> karthik: type id, does it say 1000 ?
[21:53] <karthik> I checked couple of forums, is it my graphics card that stops me from login?
[21:53] <histo> karthik: what were you doing before the login loop started?
[21:54] <karthik> ok
[21:54] <karthik> I just installed the ubuntu on a fresh win7 laptop.
[21:54] <karthik> on a partition
[21:54] <EriC^^> karthik: try the guest account, if it works then it's not a user problem
[21:54] <histo> So it's never worked/
[21:54] <EriC^^> oh
[21:55] <EriC^^> it's probably a graphics issue then
[21:55] <histo> karthik: This is a fresh install?  Has it ever worked?
[21:55] <karthik> uid and gid is 1000
[21:55] <karthik> yes, this is the fresh install. I used the same package to install in different computer and that worked fine.
[21:56] <histo> karthik: what type of video card does this machine have?
[21:56] <EriC^^> karthik: type sudo ubuntu-drivers devices | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:56] <EriC^^> and paste the link here
[22:10] <gbear14275> I'm trying to expand an online partition and I've realized that my partition scheme has an extended and logical partition next to the partition I want to expand.  I tried to use parted to remove it but it gave me a warning that it was in use.  I'm not aware of it being in use by anything but wanted to double check... is there a way to do this?
[22:12] <bekks> gbear14275: Yeah, boot a livecd, and do it.
[22:12] <OerHeks> gbear14275, you can edit partitions that are not in use, so use a live cd to expand
[22:12] <gbear14275> I looked at mount and fdisk -l but I'm looking for something that explains the relationship to the /dev/sdX# type association
[22:13] <gbear14275> bekks and OerHeks , it's a remote server.  I've read that resize2fs can expand an online partition into free space so I'm trying to create some free space
[22:13] <gbear14275> is that bad info?
[22:13] <bekks> gbear14275: Erm, is that an Ubuntu server?
[22:13] <bekks> gbear14275: reiserfs is dead for ages :)
[22:14] <gbear14275> bekks, resize2fs not reiser
[22:14] <bekks> gbear14275: classical misread :D
[22:14] <gbear14275> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24027/how-can-i-resize-an-ext-root-partition-at-runtime
[22:15] <OerHeks>  resize2fs needs an unmounted hdd too
[22:15] <bekks> Hmm, no. You can resize ext4 online.
[22:16] <Toffe> ciritcal: Getting DDOS from 1 ip can i block it in ubuntu?
[22:17] <njmbb8> hey guys, quick question, i just popped in an ubuntu usb and did the check disk for defects option. now the screen is flashing white
[22:17] <njmbb8> there's nothing going on other than the flashing
[22:18] <OerHeks> njmbb8, yes, with iptables > iptables -A INPUT -s <ddos-ip> -j DROP
[22:18] <njmbb8> i think you mean, Toffe
[22:19] <Toffe> OerHeks thanks i tried that i still get that request in nginx access log
[22:19] <ubuntu616> njmbb8: Never heard of that happening, I would try it on another computer, check the sum, reload it...etc.
[22:19] <njmbb8> what is supposed to happen?
[22:20] <njmbb8> any harm in holding the button to shut it down?
[22:20] <teward> Toffe: you have to check the existing iptables rules too
[22:20] <Toffe> i'm into deep here
[22:20] <teward> Toffe: the DROP rule has to be before the ACCEPT rule for port 80 and such
[22:20] <histo> njmbb8: what happens if you press a key on the keyboard?
[22:20] <Toffe> damnit getting abuse mails from the host :P
[22:21] <OerHeks> Toffe, with nginx you need to deny ip in its config IIRC
[22:21] <Toffe> but cant i deny on eth0
[22:21] <njmbb8> histo, there's a cursor on the bottom and the text of whatever key i press shows up there. but it gets reset when the flash happens
[22:21] <ubuntu616> njmbb8: Holding the button should not be an issue.
[22:21] <gbear14275> I'm trying to figure out what is using my sdb5 partition.  Any commands that will shed light on what is using it?
[22:22] <histo> gbear14275: iotop
[22:22] <histo> gbear14275: unless you mean what is there?
[22:23] <Toffe> damn http://link.jepb.no/bs3p
[22:23] <Toffe> he's upping his game
[22:24] <Guest67052> why is ubuntu 64bit smaller than 32bit. I though it would be the other way around.
[22:24] <gbear14275> histo, I partitioned this a long time ago and I guess I made two partitions.  The first is my boot partition and the second I didn't think I was using for anything however parted says it's in use.  Trying to figure out what if anything is using it as a double check before I delete it
[22:24] <Toffe> anyone here wanna help me on PM to stop an ip
[22:26] <gbear14275> alternatively... anyone able to tell me what's happening with this disk error?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11833146/
[22:27] <njmbb8> ok i rebooted and tried again, it's working now
[22:27] <njmbb8> weird
[22:27] <histo> gbear14275: lsblk
[22:27] <histo> gbear14275: mostlikely an extended partition for swap
[22:28] <histo> gbear14275: badblock on sdb
[22:28] <histo> is your error
[22:28] <gbear14275> histo, perfect!  Thanks and glad I checked it's actually my /home (oops)...
[22:29] <gbear14275> histo, I thought bad blocks are automatically taken care of... it's recurring message in my syslog and I'm not sure how to get rid of it.  I think it might have to do with the trim command not working anymore... but I'm not sure
[22:29] <gbear14275> was thinking it might be space related as the disk is almost 90% full... but would that affect trim?
[22:29] <bekks> gbear14275: when there are no spare free blocks left for replacement, you get errors like yours.
[22:31] <psusi> bekks, no.. the error is with a discard command
[22:31] <psusi> gbear14275, check the SMART heath of the drive in the disks utility just to make sure it's ok, but otherwise it seems that it is refusing to handle a TRIM command for some reason... possibly a firmware bug
[22:32] <bekks> psusi: due to an io error on a specific block, line 21.
[22:32] <psusi> bekks, yes.. an IO error in the TRIM request... not a WRITE request
[22:33] <gbear14275> psusi, I'm thinking that perhaps as well.  I'm not getting any flags with smartctl but I'm likely reading it wrong...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11833171/
[22:34] <mustmodify> can someone walk me through using fdisk to rebuild a partition?
[22:35] <psusi> gbear14275, looks ok, but I don't trust OCZ drives.. I had one and had to stop using it when it randomly started remapping logical sectors to the contents of different files... SMART still said it was fine too
[22:35] <bekks> mustmodify: Whats the actual problem?
[22:35] <Toffe> Anyone here who can help me block an IP which is mass requestion on my server? I tried UFW to block ip and IPTables but i dont know anything about any of theese.. :(
[22:35] <mustmodify> bekks: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/e40a60619b63a2edd351
[22:36] <mustmodify> "Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table"
[22:36] <mustmodify> same for all disks.
[22:36] <mustmodify> But really I only care about /dev/sda1
[22:36] <psusi> mustmodify, that is because /dev/sdb1 *is* a partition... so it does not *contain* partitions
[22:36] <bekks> mustmodify: sdb1 is a partition, and does not contain a partition table. sdb does.
[22:36] <mustmodify> bekks: Oh...
[22:37] <mustmodify> ok well then... assume there is a problem somewhere in that output. What is it?
[22:37] <mustmodify> :)
[22:37] <gbear14275> psusi, I appreciate the double check... been pretty frustrating and confusing.  I really don't want to have to re-install onto a new disk...  are there any ways to avoid a reinstall when replacing a boot disk?
[22:37] <csmule> Toffe: try http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-block-an-ip-on-my-linux-server/
[22:37] <bekks> mustmodify: thats not the full output isnt it?
[22:37] <Toffe> csmule did all of thoose steps does not work
[22:38] <mustmodify> bekks: yes, that's the full output
[22:38] <Toffe> it still gets trough into access all requests
[22:38] <csmule> Toffe: what os?
[22:38] <Toffe> ubuntu
[22:38] <mustmodify> I am in some kind of rescue mode if that means anything.
[22:38] <bekks> mustmodify: Whats the _actual_ problem - why are you in a rescue mode?
[22:38] <Toffe>    rx:   159.94 Mbit/s 276350 p/s          tx:      336 kbit/s    41 p/s^C
[22:39] <Toffe> i shut down port 80 and tx went down from 70mbit to what you see
[22:39] <gbear14275> psusi, nvm, i'll google that.  Thanks again for the double check
[22:39] <csmule> Toffe: You do a sanity check and block your own client IP just to see if it is working?
[22:39] <mustmodify> bekks: I was unable to write to /tmp. On restart, the filesystem was in readonly mode.
[22:39] <Toffe> kinda .. cant do that :P
[22:40] <Toffe> i cant access the server then
[22:40] <gbear14275> how do you report a pm spammer here?  Just got sent a link to a random webcam in a pm
[22:40] <csmule> Toffe: You have no other client, a VM or something?  You can then just do "telnet host 80" to see if the port is open.
[22:40] <Toffe> @bioogir is a pm spammer :P
[22:40] <Toffe> no :S
[22:40] <Toffe> I'm offshore
[22:40] <Toffe> so bad internet possibilityes
[22:40] <gbear14275> Toffe, yep, that's the one
[22:42] <OerHeks> gbear14275, join #ubuntu-ops please
[22:42] <Toffe> damnit and its just 1 IP! :(
[22:43] <histo> !ops | bioogir
[22:45] <mustmodify> what just happened?
[22:49] <tds5016> hi all. I'm having some issues getting mysql to start...
[22:50] <tds5016> I'm trying to change the data directory, and it tells me that I don't have permissions to use the mysqldata file.
[22:50] <histo> !netsplit > mustmodify
[22:50] <bekks> tds5016: So check the permissions?
[22:50] <tds5016> can someone help me figure out what it is I'm likely doing wrong with app armor?
[22:50] <tds5016> should be correctly owned by the mysql user.
[22:51] <tds5016> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11833233/
[22:52] <tds5016> that's the error I get from the log.
[22:52] <tds5016> should I post my apparmor config?
[22:53] <tds5016> or would this question be better suited for #mysql?
[22:54] <bekks> tds5016: So whats your apparmor config?
[22:55] <tds5016> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11833246/
[22:56] <tds5016> that is my usr.sbmin.mysql
[22:56] <tds5016> usr.sbin.mysql*
[22:59] <bekks> tds5016: Does it work when disabling apparmor?
[22:59] <tds5016> how would you disable app armor?
[23:00] <OerHeks> sudo nano /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld
[23:01] <bekks> OerHeks: < tds5016> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11833246/
[23:02] <OerHeks> 2009, still valid http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-change-the-mysql-data-default-directory.html
[23:03] <tds5016> OerHeks: that's basically what I did.
[23:05] <OerHeks> tds5016,  i see line 38/39, then reload sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor reload
[23:06] <tds5016> OerHeks: I did that.
[23:06] <OerHeks> and then mysql.
[23:06] <lsnner> !list
[23:12] <psusi> gbear14275, if you install with LVM you can pick up the system and move it to a new disk in the background
[23:12] <psusi> gbear14275, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[23:14] <gbear14275> psusi, I wish I did, but I didn't...
[23:14] <ivan_on_trac> It is possible that the command "useradd -m -d /home/xxx xxx". You must create a ".bash_profile"?
[23:17] <tds5016> 150706 23:16:31 [ERROR] Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied 150706 23:16:31 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on socket: /mnt/sql-volume/mysqld.sock ?
[23:17] <tds5016> now I'm getting that error....
[23:22] <lickalott> hey all!  if my nvidia card (960M) is set in bios as default and the video seems to working perfectly but in system settings it shows the intel embedded graphics do you think I need to persue an nvidia driver install?
[23:25] <nicomachus> not if this is specifically an ubuntu question... but maybe you guys can advise: I re-partitioned to move some space from my windows to my linux partition, and now GRUB is showing 2 Windows partitions. but gparted shows the correct allocation.
[23:26] <psusi> gbear14275, then moving involves formatting the new disk, copying all files over, and reinstalling the boot loader on the new disk
[23:28] <nicomachus> uh oh.. new kernel release. let's hope it doesn't screw everything up all over again.
[23:29] <gbear14275> psusi, Apologie for all the questions but I once heard that there was a better utility for copying than dd as it has no error correction.. do you have any recomendations for a disk copy utility or command?
[23:29] <Johnny_Linux> igs omfgtora
[23:30] <omfgtora> igs?
[23:34] <psusi> gbear14275, copying the files with eg. cp, is way better than dd
[23:34] <omfgtora> that is way too fun to read
[23:35] <psusi> gbear14275, it just means you have to manually tweak the UUID in /etc/fstab, and reinstall grub on the new disk is all since grub isn't copied
[23:35] <omfgtora> "eegee seepee is way better than deedee"
[23:35] <psusi> but you don't end up wasting a lot of time copying free space... and the destination disk doesn't have to be at least as large as the old one, as long as it has room for the files
[23:36] <nicomachus> psusi: what are you trying to copy? rsync works great for directories/files, but not really images.
[23:37] <psusi> another good alternative is to make a backup with tar or dump ( and get in the habit of making regular backups to an offline disk for when the fecal mater hits the rotary air impleller ) and restore it to the new drive
[23:37] <nicomachus> sorry, I meant gbear14275, not psusi
[23:37] <psusi> nicomachus, gbear14275 wants to copy his whole system to another disk... rsync works for that to, but cp is simpler and the benefit of rsync isn't used in a one time copy
[23:37] <lino_> !List
[23:38] <nicomachus> agreed on that, psusi. cp or dd would be my rec.
[23:38] <nicomachus> for that at least.
[23:39] <excelsio`> hi
[23:40] <hajj> hi
[23:40] <excelsio`> I'm getting no space errors when I try to update my kernel
[23:40] <nicomachus> excelsio`: going to need to clear out some old kernels from /boot, most like
[23:41] <nicomachus> excelsio`: see: https://askubuntu.com/questions/89710/how-do-i-free-up-more-space-in-boot
[23:41] <excelsio`> thanks
[23:42] <nicomachus> excelsio`: just make sure you don't delete ALL the kernels!
[23:42] <nicomachus> otherwise you'll be back here telling us you can't boot. :)
[23:42] <excelsio`> thanks
[23:42] <excelsio`> :P
[23:42] <nicomachus> (I did that... too recently)
[23:45] <Bashing-om> excelsio`: Great turorial, try post #10 " sudo apt-get autoremove " IF you are on 14.04+ . If you have the operating headroom in /boot, that is the simple thing to do .
[23:46] <vas> Hello Everyone!
[23:46] <vas> Does anybody have any recomendations on how to configure my macbook pro running Ubuntu 14 for multi-touch gestures and specifically avoiding issues where the touch-pad randomly selects (and drags) so it text and also randomly activates the window-switcher. It seems like this is an issue affecting Macbook Pro Ubuntu users
[23:48] <vas> I currently have 2-finger scrolling enabled and working fine, but it randomly keeps clicking-dragging and selecting text or activating the task-switcher window... it seems like a common issue
[23:49] <ubuntu616> vas: Never seen those issues here. Do you havean ubuntu install?
[23:50] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: what's the config set to on that? Last I checked, it would only delete if there were 8 kernels or more.
[23:50] <vas> ubuntu616, yes
[23:50] <vas> http://askubuntu.com/questions/322161/two-finger-scroll-issues-erratic-selecting-and-app-switching-macbook-pro-8-1
[23:51] <nicomachus> Bashing-om, I may be mistaken. disregard my last. Interesting read on autoremove here though: https://askubuntu.com/questions/563483/why-doesnt-apt-get-autoremove-remove-my-old-kernels
[23:51] <greyback_> vas: fiddling with synclient might improve things. But the 3 finger alt-tab thing is the bane of my existence
[23:52] <vas> ubuntu616, (link above is an issue posted to the AskUbuntu)
[23:53] <vas> greyback_, Its so weird, I usually do a 2 finger scroll and that works fine.. but randomly it starts selecting text (like a click and drag to select text that you would nroamlly be trying to copy or something) but I am obviously just trying to scroll up and down a page
[23:53] <vas> It just randomly clicks, and sometimes it even opens up the (alt-tab) task-switcher window!
[23:54] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: apt is configurable. Will have a read for what you found. Be back soonest .
[23:54] <vas> All thsi happens just when I do a 2 finger scroll... Its really weird.. Any ideas.. Or has any other MacBook users configured their touch-pad for 3 finger scrolling
[23:55] <greyback_> vas: 3 finger tap does the alt-tab anyway, built into unity, dunno how to fix it. The click + drag thing you can fix with: "synclient TapAndDragGesture=0"
[23:55] <reactormonk> any way to get a distrowatch view for more arbitrary packages, e.g. R?
[23:56] <greyback_> vas: here's my config, but it's far from perfect: synclient PalmDetect=1  GrabEventDevice=0 TapAndDragGesture=0 EmulateTwoFingerMinZ=1000 SingleTapTimeout=40
[23:56] <vas> greyback_, YES! Awesome! I am going to try that now... I never noticed that the 3 fingers activates the alt-tab switcher
[23:56] <nicomachus> gotta reboot.
[23:57] <greyback_> vas: synclient has loads of options, you may find different values suit your trackpad compared to mine. But have a play
[23:59] <frebark> could someone please link me a guide to installing ubuntu 15.04 with lvm/luks for the root partition; i have been working on this for days and can't get it to work no matter how i shake it


[07:53] <tdr112> morning
[08:30] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:32] <slashtom> good morning
[08:35] <slashtom> early start this weekend?
[08:37] <czajkowski> yup
[08:42] <slashtom> what happens next round, if both england and ireland win their games this weekend... you would have a dilema right there?
[08:48] <czajkowski> nope
[08:49] <czajkowski> 4 games up norther hemisphwere
[08:49] <czajkowski> 4 games up souththern hemishphere
[08:56] <ebel> i thought all the games were in NZ?
[08:57] <czajkowski> yes
[08:57] <czajkowski> but it's ireland V wales
[08:57] <czajkowski> england V france
[08:57] <czajkowski> AU V ZA
[08:57] <czajkowski> NZ V argentina
[08:58] <slashtom> but if ireland and england both win, they end up playing each other iirc
[08:58] <czajkowski> not sure
[08:58] <slashtom> according to the wall chart in our office kitchen, they do
[08:58] <slashtom> question is, who will czajkowski be supporting?
[08:59] <czajkowski> ireland then
[08:59] <slashtom> oh no, you will fail the tebbit test then
[08:59] <slashtom> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_test
[09:01] <moylan> scots and welsh aren't immigrants and would follow their own native teams :-p
[09:05] <slashtom> well, technically it's the english and welsh cricket team
[09:05] <slashtom> (the scots being not classed as civilised enough to have a cricket team) ;)
[09:07] <moylan> remember reading a few years ago that the irish cricket team nearly died off through lack of interest and only survived due to the number of immigrants from cricket loving countries that kept it alive.
[09:08] <slashtom> and they still give the english a good thrashing :)
[09:12] <moylan> well if they thrash the english then the irish may, just may take an interest.
[09:13] <slashtom> they did, earlier this year in the world cup
[10:24] <czajkowski> http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/189359_10150255720760671_588465670_8161883_4209319_n.jpg
[10:29] <ebel> czajkowski: looks like a fake http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/radar.asp
[10:30] <czajkowski> dont spoil my fun
[10:30] <czajkowski> ebel: http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/09/27/ordering-11-10-cds-is-now-open/
[10:32] <ebel> ☺
[10:33] <ebel> thanks for the reminder
[10:49] <terran> I think that's the first time I've ever seen someone paste an actual smiling face into IRC
[10:50] <ebel> ☺
[10:50] <ebel> It's in unicode!
[10:50] <ebel> U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE
[10:50] <ebel> I have it set up in my XCompose, so when i type in :) i can get a ☺
[10:56] <ebel> CDs requested for this loco
[10:57] <terran> Ω
[10:58] <terran> 卐


[08:32] <lool> asac: I sax the new fennec package; thanks for pointing it out!  I need to try it out now
[08:33] <lool> thanks fta too
[08:53] <asac> lool: file bugs ;)
[09:08] <ogra> asac, we will :)
[09:08]  * ogra hugs fta in absence for packaging it
[09:09] <StevenK> There's a fennec package?
[09:09] <ogra> since yesterday
[09:09] <ogra> i mean, there is one since wuite some time ... but it entered universe yesterday
[09:10] <StevenK> I see that
[09:10] <ogra> i tried it on the n810 before and wasnt very thriled yet
[09:10] <ogra> *thrilled
[09:10] <StevenK> Oooh, it's tiny
[09:10] <ogra> while its faster its still lacking a lot in speed and handling compared to the maemo browser
[09:11] <ogra> but if oyu tried the first fennec package you notice the improvements
[11:27] <persia> Agenda up for Team Meeting in 34 minutes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090115 : please add anything you'd like discussed.
[11:39] <ogra> ugh, i still havent finished the touchscreen spec (though started to work on the code :/ ) damned paperwork
[11:40] <persia> It's all about paperwork!
[11:41] <ogra> its all about code !
[11:41] <ogra> paperwork just documents it :)
[11:42] <persia> I suppose.  I rather like the waterfall approach to software: it helps get the solution right for the largest number of people the first time.
[13:37] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[22:24] <alanbell> hello everyone, I am working on an OEM install for an Atom based netbook, is there any documentation on why I should use lpia vs i386?
[22:25] <ogra> i think there is some info at moblin.org
[22:25] <alanbell> right now i386 seems to be a smoother experience for us in terms of installation and support from people like Skype and IBM (who don't know how to package stuff properly)
[22:26] <Vantrax> alanbell, I dont think the i386 has the same powersaving flags in the kernel
[22:27] <persia> The kernels are different: it's worth comparing the trees to see what you need.
[22:28] <alanbell> Vantrax: so battery life might be better with lpia. Anyone got a quantitative comparison? (I will probably do my own and publish the results)
[22:28] <ogra> right, there are some extra powermanagement switches in lpia, but the main issue is that i386 is compiled for m586 while lpia is 686 ... that will give you the most significant difference from a kernel POV
[22:29] <persia> Except it's not.
[22:29] <ogra> ??
[22:29] <persia> The lpia kernel has CONFIG_M586 set.
[22:29] <ogra> oh, it didnt when i looked last time
[22:29] <ogra> which is quite a while ago i admit
[22:29] <persia> Well it did a couple days ago :)
[22:30] <ogra> why was that dropped ?
[22:30] <ogra> afaik that makes a significant difference on ATOM and lpia wont run on non ATOM
[22:31] <persia> Actually, it will, now.
[22:31] <ogra> oh ?
[22:31] <Vantrax> cool
[22:31] <Vantrax> persia ftw
[22:31] <persia> Anyway, I don't know anything about why: I only read the config trying to sort out which kernel to install.
[22:31]  * ogra should read the UDS spec
[22:31]  * Vantrax should too
[22:31] <ogra> guessing there is one :)
[22:32] <persia> Vantrax, Except it's not necessarily good that the lpia kernel works on everything, because it means fewer optimisations.
[22:32] <ogra> yeah
[22:32] <Vantrax> thats true
[22:32] <Vantrax> I thought the idea was to make it super efficient for atoms, and everything else was irrelevant
[22:32] <alanbell> I see quite a few things that are not available for lpia and lots of scary looking advice about dpkg --force-architecture to get i386 debs installed
[22:32] <Vantrax> and i guess another for the ARM processors
[22:33] <ogra> in that light you should probably go for i386
[22:33] <persia> alanbell, yeah, that's not ideal, but nothing really to do about that.
[22:33] <persia> Vantrax, Actually, there are about 4 kernels already in the archive for arm, and probably 2-3 more expected (e.g. OMAP, pax2xx, etc.)
[22:33] <ogra> even if you lose 20min battery life through it (which i doubt) if you *need* something like skype thats the cleanest you can do
[22:34] <Vantrax> thats good to hear, Im guessing thats the next big expansion area
[22:34] <persia> There was a UDS session in the Mobile track about lpia vs. i386 where we basically determined that lpia was essentially experimental, to look at optimisations, and understand future direction.
[22:34] <alanbell> ogra: trouble is from the OEM point of view it means that if we put lpia on we are going to get customers who can't install skype and can't figure out why
[22:35] <alanbell> and flash and symphony and Lotu Notes etc.
[22:35] <ogra> right, thats what i mean
[22:35] <Vantrax> ... no offence but symphony should never be used, and lotus notes, even the 8.5 linux client is crap
[22:35] <ogra> ogra> in that light you should probably go for i386
 even if you lose 20min battery life through it (which i doubt) if you *need* something like skype thats the cleanest you can do
[22:35] <ogra> is wht i was saying :)
[22:36] <Vantrax> best way i've found to do lotus notes is 6.5.3 in wine
[22:37] <alanbell> Vantrax: yes, I know that but I am a Notes developer(trying to quit) and I don't need the flak from my friends at IBM :-)
[22:37] <alanbell> any thoughts on this script http://www.matt-helps.com/convert-deb-package-architecture-from-i386-to-lpia
[22:38] <alanbell> I am thinking if lpia could automagically on the fly repackage i386 stuff it would be a bit smoother
[22:38] <Vantrax> alanbell, I pity you... its one of the largest gripes with most IT support groups, especially on linux.
[22:39] <Vantrax> the 8.5 beta for linux is incredibly slow, and the 8.0.1 gave java errors all over the place
[22:39]  * ogra lols about alanbell " I am a Notes developer(trying to quit)"
[22:39] <Vantrax> lol
[22:39]  * ogra is a smoker (not trying to quit) :)
[22:39] <Vantrax> It seems that domino is losing ground to exchange too...
[22:39]  * Vantrax thinks linux needs an answer to AD/NDS and Domino/Exchange
[22:40] <alanbell> Domino is still the fastest app dev environment for a specific class of applications
[22:40] <alanbell> I never saw it as an email system
[22:40] <alanbell> just a document database that is good at moving documents between databases
[22:40] <Vantrax> most people do... tho were I work we run a large amount of other functions through domino too
[22:40] <alanbell> email is a trivial app to write using that framework
[22:41] <Vantrax> yet they cant get it right >.<
[22:41] <alanbell> no, because you can write a better email app if you start out trying to write one.
[22:42] <alanbell> I remember ages ago asking IBM to just stop with the email thing and call it a collaboration application platform
[22:42] <alanbell> but anyhow, enough of talking about non-free software :-)
[22:43] <alanbell> I think I am going to have to do some i386 vs lpia benchmarks to figure out if we are going to gain anything much with lpia
[22:45] <alanbell> one big problem is that the desktop CD for lpia simply doesn't install. It fails to find an installable kernel.
[22:45] <alanbell> there are a load of instructions on how to nurse it though on the Aspire One
[22:45] <alanbell> but that is a nasty to give to customers.
[22:48] <Vantrax> whats the customer base?
[22:48] <alanbell> Vantrax: netbook, like the Aspire. Previously aimed at bulk consumer market
[22:49] <alanbell> this model will be a linux build as an online sale
[22:49] <alanbell> somewhat sophisticated customers (selecting Linux as a positive choice)
[22:50] <alanbell> probably 2nd computer
[22:50] <alanbell> also possibly corporate deals and education
[22:50] <Vantrax> then id stick with i386
[22:51] <alanbell> I think I am heading that way. I just need answers when people say "you are using Atom, but you didn't use the right build for the chip - you idiot!"
[22:52] <alanbell> especially when they see the Mini9 has lpia
[22:52] <Vantrax> ive found the default 8.10 install rather good on my mini 9
[22:52] <Vantrax> better battery life than windows
[22:53] <alanbell> in fact, this is me with my first problem with lpia on mini 9
[22:53] <alanbell> http://www.dominux.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/09/notes-85-on-intel-atom-lpia-architecture/
[22:53] <alanbell> in my trying to quit life :-)
[22:54] <persia> alanbell, You may find your script easier with dpkg -e and dpkg -x
[22:56] <persia> alanbell, You may also find sed -i useful.  Lastly note that blindly changing may work today, but it's not guaranteed to work as the architectures diverge.
[22:57] <alanbell> persia: thanks
[22:57] <alanbell> I kind of think that dpkg should be more sophisticated about architecture relationships
[22:58] <persia> Well, architectures aren't supposed to be that similar :)
[22:58] <alanbell> sort of knowing that you can install i386 on lpia but you can't install lpia on i386
[22:59] <persia> More than anything, it's that even the techs at Intel are still figuring out what to change to optimise for power, rather than optimising for performance.  I expect it will be another year or two before we get distinct enough that it's not convertible.
[22:59] <persia> Well, actually, with today's packages, you can install lpia on i386.
[22:59] <alanbell> there are plenty of similar architectures if you look hard enough
[23:00] <alanbell> there are a lot of Chinese MIPSel chips that implement the bits of MIPS that are out of copyright
[23:00] <alanbell> so they end up as MIPS but without the maths co-processor
[23:01] <alanbell> I expect the various ARM flavours are like that as it is a licensed core design
[23:04] <alanbell> is there any documentation of the UDS discussions about this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lpia-versus-i386
[23:10] <persia> alanbell, Well, actually, all the Ubuntu-supported ARM processors use the same userspace, which is "armel".
[23:11] <persia> If the wiki spec isn't written yet, you can watch the video.
[23:12] <persia> I think it is 00002.ogv from http://videos.ubuntu.com/uds/jaunty/Mobile/2008-12-09/afternoon/
[23:12] <persia> Mind you, these aren't very excellent videos, and it's live discussion, so lots of "umm..." and the like.
[23:14] <alanbell> persia: perfect, thanks.
[23:16] <alanbell> persia: yes, all the ARM are the same build today, I was just thinking that someone could do an ARM with some special optimisations available.
[23:16] <alanbell> but I know very little about processsor design
[23:17] <persia> Well, maybe.  Personally, I'm not convinced that it's worth having a separate architecture for optimisations.
[23:18] <persia> architecture differences imply instruction set differences.  As I understand things, Intel is expecting this to happen with lpia.
[23:21] <persia> lpia-versus-i386 starts about 28:37 in 00002.ogv


[05:18] <Skarlet36> Hello, my first time here.
[12:49] <joeR> Was wondering what tasks I could help with .. Not sure how xchat works but assume I can watch this and maybe pick up on something .. Is it better to leave it running or return periodically ?