[00:39] <koding123> so what is the point of using Ubuntu Make( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make ) instead of a package specific PPA?
[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[06:24]  * Mirv would like to file a bug "Abiword started launching on each login in vivid"...
[06:43] <darkxst> hey pitti
[06:43] <darkxst> did you get a chance to look at my systemd mount bug?
[06:44] <pitti> darkxst: not yet, sorry; but still high on my list (probably today)
[07:21] <darkxst> pitti, no problem, its just annoying me while constantly rebooting trying to fix gdm XRandr errors ;(
[07:22] <didrocks> morning
[07:22] <pitti> darkxst: you could try adding "mount -a" to /etc/rc.local
[07:22] <pitti> darkxst: as a workaround
[07:22] <pitti> hey didrocks, ça va ?
[07:24] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ?
[07:25] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien aussi; trop de systemd bugs :)
[07:27] <didrocks> argh :) j'ai lu hier le problème avec les symlinks
[07:28] <didrocks> pitti: I guess I'm going to upload the protocol support in plymouth for fsckd, it does only add a new stenza for fsckd: and keys:
[07:28] <didrocks> doesn't impact existing behavior
[07:29] <didrocks> for the rest, we'll see once Lennart would review the patches
[07:30] <pitti> didrocks: sure, that sounds fine
[07:30] <darkxst> pitti, ok will try that
[07:31] <pitti> didrocks: it seems Lennart is back from Brno and catching up with the ML, I hope we can get this in soon; otherwise I'll pull them into the ubuntu packages if you want
[07:32] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, let's give another couple of days
[07:33] <didrocks> pitti: I'm catching up on developer stuff before feature freeze during this systemd-less time :)
[07:34] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:34] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[07:34] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:34] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[07:35] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[07:35] <darkxst> hey seb128 didrocks
[07:35] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:37] <darkxst> speaking of FF, anything blocking baobab, gnome-contacts etc other than titlebar patches?
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien aussi
[07:38] <seb128> darkxst, didn't look at those, but probably not
[07:38] <darkxst> and gedit, but I have no plans to implement the OSX ui, just de-headerbar ot?
[07:38] <darkxst> ok
[07:40] <darkxst> vino I suppose is blocked on bug 1271358
[07:41] <seb128> yes
[07:41] <seb128> gedit, larsu and Laney were looking at it
[07:41] <seb128> larsu added back the traditionnal menubar and decoration
[07:41] <seb128> but it looks weird without a toolbar
[07:41] <seb128> it also means the standard actions are not easily available
[07:41] <seb128> (save, open, print, etc)
[07:42] <seb128> so it's under discussion
[07:42] <seb128> we might want to not update or to add a toolbar back
[07:44] <darkxst> seb128, well the toolbar is there in the code, kinda
[08:37] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, seems like http://launchpadlibrarian.net/196013611/casper_1.349_1.350.diff.gz is not working, do you have any idea why that could be the case?
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: s/./:/ ?
[08:39]  * didrocks looks
[08:39] <seb128> pitti, shrug, could be indeed ... do we have logs somewhere that could should the error?
[08:39] <didrocks> yeah, should be $USER:$GROUP
[08:40] <pitti> hm no, . works as well
[08:40] <didrocks> oh, really?
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[08:40]  * didrocks learnt something today
[08:40] <pitti> it's not documented, but I just tried it here
[08:40] <seb128> I think I copied the line from somewhere else in casper
[08:40] <pitti> didrocks: better don't :)
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: logs, you can see it at boot normally, but that's it
[08:40] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, agreed, I lived quite happily without it :p
[08:40] <didrocks> no obvious typo at least…
[08:41] <seb128> ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility:		chroot /target chown -R $TARGET_USERNAME.$TARGET_USERNAME /home/$TARGET_USERNAME/.local
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: first boot, non persistent system I guess?
[08:41] <seb128> didrocks, are those run at boot?
[08:41]  * seb128 tries
[08:41] <seb128> do you know that log to look at?
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, really early at boot, and rerun at every boot
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: you won't find logs I guess, it's written on the console before the kernel loads AFAIK, but if you remove "quiet", you should see them
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: you can launch them by hand though
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: you could boot with break=casper-bottom, there you might see some error messages and can also run stuff manually
[08:42] <pitti> no, kernel loads before, that's the initramfs
[08:44] <pitti> yeah, I see some "failed to change ... 1000 .. blabla" error messgae
[08:44] <pitti> (without quiet)
[08:44] <pitti> but why 1000, I thought it was 999
[08:44] <pitti> ah no, that was another error message, I still see it on vt1 now
[08:44] <larsu> good morning!
[08:44] <seb128> hey larsu
[08:45] <pitti> chown: unknown user/group ubuntu:ubuntu
[08:45] <pitti> seb128: ^
[08:45] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:45] <pitti> seb128: boot without quiet and check VT1
[08:45] <didrocks> did you run that before the user is created?
[08:45] <seb128> didrocks, I guess so? where is the user added?
[08:46] <pitti> ./scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser
[08:46] <seb128> so 51... should be after?
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: no, the problem is that teh initramfs doesn't know this user
[08:47] <pitti> try this: chroot /root "chown -R $USERNAME.$USERNAME /home/$USERNAME/.config"
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: the user is only created in the /root file system
[08:47] <seb128> right
[08:48] <didrocks> making sense
[08:48] <pitti> seb128: actually, I think without the quotes
[08:48] <seb128> what's the easiest way to try those changes?
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: the initramfs has vi, so break=casper-bottom, vi the file, and continue to boot (just ctrl+d or exit theh initramfs shell)
[08:49] <seb128> pitti, danku
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: F6 other options -> press esc twice to close the pop up menu, then you can edit the boot command line
[08:50] <pitti> (I didn't know before that our live initramfs has vi, but I guess we weren't the first ones to hack casper fixes on the live system :)
[08:52] <didrocks> it didn't 5 years ago
[08:52] <didrocks> I'm jaleous now :p
[08:52]  * didrocks had to cat, awk and redirect :/
[08:52] <pitti> sed FTW :)
[08:54] <FJKong_> seb128: didrocks about this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1413865
[08:55] <FJKong_> seb128: didrocks the right way is patch unity-control-center and add option 'suspend' ?
[08:56] <seb128> FJKong_, does it make sense to suspend on those case? knowing that suspend uses power and your laptop is going to run flat anyway
[08:57] <FJKong_> seb128: so maybe just shutdown ?
[08:57] <seb128> yes, likely better
[08:58] <didrocks> firefox developer edition support in ubuntu make done -> writing tests now :)
[08:58] <FJKong_> seb128: so just patch ubuntu-settings and change default value to shutdown
[09:00] <seb128> FJKong_, I guess so, though I wonder if we should rather patch the code to default to hibernate and fallback to shutdown if hibernate is disabled
[09:01] <seb128> though since we disable hibernate by default we could decide it's up to the user to change the config if they enable it
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, thanks for the help, I tested it and confirmed it works this time :-)
[09:03] <didrocks> nice!
[09:04] <FJKong_> seb128: I think hibernate will be better
[09:04]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[09:04] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <didrocks> FJKong_: hibernate isn't supported on all machines though
[09:04] <seb128> FJKong_, we don't enable hibernate by default though
[09:04] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:04] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:04] <FJKong_> oh
[09:04] <FJKong_> I see
[09:05] <FJKong_> it seems we have no other choice then
[09:05] <seb128> FJKong_, well, as said we could still default to hibernate and fallback in the code to shutdown if hibernate is not available
[09:05] <seb128> but I'm unsure it's worth the effort
[09:06] <seb128> if users enable hibernate they can go and change the config
[09:07] <FJKong_> seb128: how to enable hibernate then
[09:13] <Laney> hey pitti seb128 didrocks larsu!
[09:16] <seb128> FJKong_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation
[09:16] <didrocks> and done, large and medium tests \o/
[09:16] <didrocks> (with fake mozilla certificates and fake server for medium ones)
[09:18] <seb128> dpm, pitti, so ubunut-system-settings has langpack support enabled, but we should strip the .desktop (since some code on touch isn't smart enough to use gettext and try to read the Name .ini style), what's the easiest way to do that? use --exclude on the file in dh_translations?
[09:19] <dpm> morning seb128, I think I'll have to defer that one to pitti
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: you mean should *not* strip the desktop?
[09:20] <Laney> which code is that?
[09:20] <Laney> wouldn't you want to do this for every application then?
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: dh_translations does look at -X, so that ought to work
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: that will still add X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain:, but keep the inline translations
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, yeah, sorry :-/ *shouldn't*
[09:21] <FJKong_> seb128: well, if we have a quick fix this version and put more time on it later, it that okay? I don't think most of user will enable hibernate after installing
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: ah no, it will *not* add the domain
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: so yes, -X
[09:22] <seb128> pitti, no domain is fine, it means thing just use the inline translations
[09:22] <seb128> FJKong_, yeah
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, wdym for every application?
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, most applications on touch are click and that doesn't use langpack
[09:22] <seb128> other debs seem to not strip their .desktop already
[09:22] <FJKong_> seb128: cool
[09:22] <Laney> maybe now they are, haven't looked at that
[09:23] <Laney> but one day you will be able to install deb packages
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, the code is notifications/notification_manager.cpp
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, that code is not ready to support debs, it's calling "click list" to get the entries
[09:27] <Laney> then what are you fixing in a deb package?
[09:27] <seb128> I probably don't understand the code
[09:27] <seb128> let me look at it more
[09:27] <seb128> but settings is listed unstranslated in that panel
[09:27] <seb128> and added a Name[fr]= to the .desktop fixes it
[09:28] <seb128> adding
[10:44] <willcooke> trains.  :(
[10:44] <willcooke> morning all
[10:45] <didrocks> argh, another gnome-terminal segfault while doing a sbuild :/
[10:47] <didrocks> let's see once whoopsie would retrace it for me
[10:47] <larsu> willcooke: in brussels again?
[10:47]  * didrocks restarts the build and ubuntu make tests meanwhile…
[10:48] <didrocks> larsu: seeing "trains…", definitively brussels and not London for sure :)
[10:48] <willcooke> larsu, I think it would have been quicker to go to Brussels
[10:49] <willcooke> They said the trains were delayed by 16 mins.
[10:49] <willcooke> lies
[10:49] <willcooke> damn lies
[10:49] <didrocks> ahah, it's starting to be a trend it seems (train starting earlier than what they announce)
[11:06] <mlankhorst> in holland I don't have to worry about that :P
[11:06] <ogra_> because you can walk across the country in 1h :)
[11:06] <mlankhorst> hah you wish
[11:07] <mlankhorst> we do have a database of all windmills though :P
[11:07] <ogra_> lol
[11:10] <willcooke> And when global warming kicks off in a big way Holland will be nice and cool, because of all the windmills
[11:10] <larsu> will also be under water...
[11:10] <willcooke> (favourite Futurama spot ever)
[11:11] <willcooke> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e8/e8612be4060eee520cad620292dfc484f2a2f64568a3942ec0bcddb767023e9d.jpg
[11:11] <mlankhorst> it will be nice and cool because the gulf stream will have collapsed and we will get the climate of new york :p
[11:11] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, re your gnome-terminal crash - don't you use tmux so that you don't have to restart the build?
[11:12] <mlankhorst> I've rebased Xmir on top of xorg-server 1.17.1
[11:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, I'll soon start doing this I guess :)
[11:15] <mlankhorst> and I've uploaded to my ppa the qtmir version that broke autorepeat but fixed mouse events in unity8
[11:48] <willcooke> I assume phablet-shell is part of the sdk ppa
[11:48] <popey> willcooke: phablet-tools package
[11:49] <willcooke> hrm
[11:49] <willcooke> I have that install but no phablet-shell
[11:49] <popey> apt-cache policy phablet-tools
[11:49] <popey>   Installed: 1.1+15.04.20141107.1-0ubuntu1
[11:49] <popey> ?
[11:49] <popey> I am on vivid
[11:49] <popey> you may need one of the sdk PPAs
[11:50] <willcooke> ack, thanks popey
[11:50] <pitti> seb128: btw, you have the shutdown hang, don't you?
[11:50] <pitti> seb128: I noticed that unattended-upgrades delays shutdown a lot
[11:50] <pitti> seb128: that might be another candidate for you?
[11:51] <willcooke> ahh, I remember - I had to purge it to get Snappy to play nice
[11:52] <pitti> didrocks: ^ you also reported some shutdown hangs; so modemmanager and unattended-upgrades might be things to try and disable
[11:54] <didrocks> pitti: nice hint, will give it a try later
[11:54] <willcooke> team - remember to get your self assessment done by Friday EOD
[11:54] <willcooke> and let me know your 360 peers asap
[11:54] <willcooke> this message will repeat
[11:55] <darkxst> willcooke, has turned into a bot ?
[11:56] <Laney> darkxst: think I've fixed those totem problems ("fixed" in one case :|)
[11:56] <Laney> did you fwd your headerbar patch?
[11:56] <willcooke> darkxst, I was always pretty close tbh :)
[11:57] <darkxst> Laney, bookmarks problem?
[11:57] <Laney> ya
[11:57] <Laney> bug in the grilo plugin itself I think
[11:58] <darkxst> Laney, not forwarded upstream yet, but will once I fix full screen issue
[11:58] <Laney> did that
[11:58] <darkxst> Laney, yeh I saw that commit after you mentioned it (way after I was sleep last night)
[11:59] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10172243/
[12:00] <darkxst> Laney, Ack
[12:01] <darkxst> and I really need to go to sleep
[12:02] <darkxst> can you upload fix to gnome3 ppa or somewhere
[12:03] <Laney> ya
[12:03] <Laney> I'm going to fwd the dialogs-use-header stuff
[12:03] <darkxst> Laney, we will eventually get packaging branches setup on alioth, but that hasnt quite happend just yet
[12:05] <Laney> for what?
[12:05] <darkxst> Laney, stuff in the gnome3 ppa's
[12:05] <Laney> oh right
[12:05] <darkxst> and perhaps some of the main branches in ubuntu GNOME packageset
[12:06] <Laney> thought you'd branch off the ubuntu-desktop packages
[12:07] <darkxst> Laney, we do where applicable
[12:07] <darkxst> but i still don't like bzr
[12:07] <darkxst> and pkg-gnome may one day move to git
[12:07] <Laney> just you wait for git in launchpad
[12:08]  * larsu waits
[12:08] <Laney> i'll figure out a cool merged-with-upstreams-history workflow
[12:08] <darkxst> but in the meantime we are ok to host UG git repos on alioth
[12:09] <Laney> doesn't really matter where they are i suppose
[12:09] <darkxst> Laney, nope, majority of ubuntu sponsors would probably have commit access there I suppose
[12:11] <Laney> there's an 'ubuntu-dev' group there already
[12:11] <Laney> manually managed tho
[12:21]  * darkxst sleeps now
[12:22] <Laney> night!
[12:24] <darkxst> night
[12:25] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, g-c-c for bluez5 now built in ppa. That should unblock you if you want to update (didn't retest yet with latest g-c-c)
[12:25] <didrocks> larsu: that can interest you as well ^
[12:25] <darkxst> didrocks, gnome-shell also has patches that need to be dropped for bluez5
[12:26] <darkxst> (reverts)
[12:26] <darkxst> but I am really sleep now
[12:26] <nessita> hello! quick question, I updated my vivid install yesterday to latest, and since then some fonts are not properly rendered (yesterday Firefox was having the issue, today is evince), and I no longer can open a terminal with ctrl + alt + t. Any idea how to fix or where to ask?
[12:26] <larsu> didrocks: which ppa?
[12:26] <larsu> didrocks: and thanks :)
[12:26] <didrocks> darkxst: if the gnome ubuntu team can provide a debdiff, we can send that to the same ppa and do the same copy on the D day (you have time still)
[12:27] <didrocks> larsu: the transition one (see email): https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions
[12:27] <larsu> didrocks: cool,thanks
[12:27] <didrocks> yw!
[12:27]  * larsu wanted to start hacking on that today, but too much to do
[12:27] <darkxst> didrocks, ok, tomorrow then
[12:27] <larsu> DS-McGuire: got some time to talk in ~15 mins?
[12:28] <DS-McGuire> larsu, I do :)
[12:28] <didrocks> darkxst: core-devs have access to dput directly to the ppa FYI
[12:29] <darkxst> didrocks, me no core-dev
[12:32] <didrocks> just propose a debdiff when you have time (the best would be this week)
[12:33] <darkxst> didrocks, ok, will take a look tomorrow
[12:34] <darkxst> probably gnome-shell, g-s-d and g-c-c all have reverts currently to work with bluez4
[12:35]  * darkxst really sleeps now!
[12:36] <willcooke> mlankhorst, should Xmir work with the devel channel?
[12:36] <didrocks> darkxst: g-c-c is done, g-s-d has nothing to be done, g-s left to you, good night man :)
[12:36] <darkxst> didrocks, ok, night
[12:37] <mlankhorst> willcooke: ought to :P
[12:37] <mlankhorst> I've just uploaded a rebuild against 1.17.1, haven't tested it yet
[12:38] <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst
[12:38] <willcooke> Just reflashing
[12:40] <mlankhorst> oke
[12:41] <nessita> willcooke, hi! which one would be the best channel to ask about issues with a vivid installation in a laptop?
[12:41] <willcooke> nessita, #ubuntu will sort you out
[12:41] <nessita> I see broken fotns such as https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B-cmfDncRJmYRnJ0SUhWWGsyVjQ/view?usp=sharing
[12:41] <nessita> willcooke, thanks, going there
[12:42] <willcooke> nessita, ahhh
[12:42] <willcooke> seb128, didn't you see that as well (see link ^^)
[12:42] <nessita> willcooke, ctrl + alt + t will not open a terminal either, since yesterday's updates
[12:43] <mlankhorst> hm /me upgrades his phone too
[12:43] <willcooke> Hrm.  Video drivers, or perhaps Gtk
[12:45] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[12:46] <seb128> nessita, willcooke, yeah, I see similar fonts corruption sometime, I blame xorg but I'm unsure
[12:46] <nessita> hola seb128 !
[12:46] <seb128> mlankhorst, any idea what could lead to corruption like the one nessita has in the url she just shared
[12:46] <seb128> nessita, yeah, nice to see you still around! how are you?
[12:47] <nessita> seb128, super good. How about you?
[12:47] <nessita> seb128, mlankhorst font corruption was isolated to firefox yesterday, today seems to happen with evince. I installed all vivid updates yesterday
[12:47] <seb128> pitti, unattended-upgrade is enabled & inactive, I can try to disable it
[12:47] <seb128> nessita, does it persist after xorg restart?
[12:47] <mlankhorst> no idea..
[12:47] <seb128> nessita, I'm great, thanks :-)
[12:48] <mlankhorst> never seen that tbh
[12:48] <nessita> seb128, it persistes yesterday for FF after computer restart, haven't tried today, let me do that
[12:49] <seb128> nessita, k, the issue I sometime have doesn't persist after xorg restart
[12:49] <seb128> so likely different
[12:50] <nessita> seb128, restarted, pdf still looks corrupted
[12:50] <nessita> trying another pdf
[12:50] <seb128> nessita, yeah, could be that it's picking a wrong font as well
[12:50] <seb128> nessita, did you install new fonts recently?
[12:51] <nessita> seb128, seems the case (not picking the right font). No, I don't recall ever installing new fonts explicitely.
[12:51] <seb128> nessita, can you grep for font in /var/log/dpkg.log ?
[12:51] <nessita> yes
[12:53] <nessita> seb128, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10172824/
[12:53] <nessita> more results than I expected!
[12:56] <seb128> nessita, hum, I'm unsure
[12:57] <seb128> in evince, can you go to files->properties-> fonts tab
[12:57] <seb128> what fonts does it list there?
[12:57] <seb128> then maybe email me a pdf which shows the issue so we can compare what is used?
[12:57] <nessita> ack, on it
[13:02] <nessita> seb128, sent
[13:03] <seb128> nessita, that pdf renders buggy for me as well, it's specific to this file right?
[13:04] <nessita> yeah
[13:04] <nessita> so the pdf itself is not important
[13:04] <nessita> but yesterday firefox (and the terminal for a bit) we broken as well
[13:04] <nessita> we can leave this as is, and I can let you guys know if something else breaks font-wise
[13:05] <seb128> nessita, do you still have the other issues after a restart?
[13:05] <nessita> seb128, nopes
[13:05] <seb128> nessita, btw firefox has the same problem rendering that pdf, wonder if the file is buggy
[13:05] <nessita> can be, is an old pdf
[13:05] <seb128> nessita, k, so the firefox&co issue was probably the corruption I see sometime
[13:05] <seb128> the pdf issue is different
[13:06] <nessita> makes sense
[13:11] <seb128> nessita, I tried different viewers on my android phone, they have the same issue on the pdf, so I think we can say it's an issue with the file in that case
[13:12] <nessita> seb128, sounds good!
[13:12] <nessita> the pdf is not important
[13:16] <willcooke> willcooke, test
[13:16] <willcooke> wifi. sigh
[13:20] <seb128> willcooke, you are at the office?
[13:20] <willcooke> yeah
[13:22] <seb128> nessita, your issue could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1330385 ... you can maybe look in your log if there are such GPU error mentioned
[13:29] <nessita> seb128, checking!
[13:29] <nessita> I certainly have an intel video card
[13:35] <willcooke> attente_, can you remind me who you are syncing with on input methods from the Mir team?
[13:36] <nessita> seb128, I can find the crash in my syslogs, but I will be paying more attention for future freezes/font corruptions
[13:36] <attente_> willcooke: no one on the mir team
[13:36] <willcooke> attente_, U8?
[13:36] <seb128> nessita, can or can't?
[13:36] <seb128> nessita, ok
[13:36] <nessita> seb128, sorry, can't :-D
[13:36] <seb128> nessita, k
[13:36] <nessita> still morning to me!
[13:36] <attente_> willcooke: just bschaefer so far
[13:36] <willcooke> attente_, thanks!
[13:36] <willcooke> attente_, good morning btw :)
[13:37] <attente_> thanks!
[13:40] <FJKong_> attente_: morning Hua
[13:44] <attente_> FJKong_: good evening :)
[13:51]  * mlankhorst reflashes phone
[14:11] <larsu> attente_, desrt: does gtk-mir ever draw decorations on behalf of the app?
[14:11] <larsu> greyback is seeing that apparently
[14:12] <desrt> yes.  it does.
[14:12] <greyback> desrt: any easy way I could disable that temporarily?
[14:12] <desrt> GTK_CSD=0 or something?
[14:12]  * larsu was totally unawware
[14:12] <larsu> greyback: sorry :/
[14:13] <greyback> larsu: no worries
[14:13] <desrt> actually, i think that won't help
[14:13] <greyback> no good
[14:13] <desrt> GTK_CSD=1 is only useful for forcing it to be enabled
[14:13] <desrt> GTK_CSD=0 is equivalent to being unset
[14:13] <greyback> eee, 0 != undefined
[14:13] <desrt> greyback: for mir it's hardwired to on
[14:13] <larsu> what is this, javascript?!
[14:13] <desrt>   if (GDK_IS_MIR_DISPLAY (gtk_widget_get_display (GTK_WIDGET (window))))
[14:13] <desrt>     return TRUE;
[14:13] <desrt> #endif
[14:14] <desrt> gtk_window_should_use_csd (GtkWindow *window)
[14:14] <greyback> desrt: thanks, gives me place to hack at
[14:18] <desrt> i'm disconnecting from IRC for now.  too many pings and i need to sort through a bunch of reviews and other stuff.  bbl.
[14:20] <willcooke_> desrt, ping
[14:20] <willcooke_> I crack myself up - I really do.
[14:20] <willcooke_> and it's not even Friday
[14:40] <mlankhorst> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[14:43] <Laney> bah
[14:44] <Laney> suspend failure, burny laptop
[14:45]  * Laney stares at systemd
[14:54] <Laney> how can I view the journal from the previous boot?
[14:54] <Laney> --list-boots only shows this one
[14:56] <seb128> Laney, see the README.Debian, you need to create the dir to enable persistent
[14:56] <seb128> not sure why that's not done by default
[14:56] <seb128> but maybe pitti or didrocks know
[14:56] <Laney> hmm
[14:57] <pitti> seb128: because we install rsyslog by default, and I don't think we want to write everything to disk twice
[14:57] <Laney> oh so it's in the syslog maybe
[14:59] <seb128> pitti, ok, makes sense
[14:59] <Laney> Feb 11 12:46:43 iota systemd-sleep[31629]: System resumed.
[15:00] <Laney> looks like it does some suspend things then does some resume things straight away
[15:01] <pitti> Laney: is that with upstart or systemd? with upstart you might have a /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[15:01] <Laney> pitti: systemd, I did the perma-switch last week
[15:01] <pitti> hm, any kernel error message to go with that?
[15:01] <Laney> sec, let me just pastebin the whole area
[15:01] <sneezewort> Hello all. I left my system locked last night. When I came in this morning my system appeared as if it had rebooted, but when I run "who -b" it says last boot time was several days ago.
[15:02] <sneezewort> How do I troubleshoot my lost session?
[15:03] <sneezewort> In other words how can I figure out what happened, and how to keep it from happening again.
[15:06] <Laney> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10174186/
[15:06] <Laney> I wonder what the 2 minute gap is
[15:06] <Laney> ah hang on, I did resume it
[15:07] <pitti> Laney: I don't see a gap there
[15:08] <pitti> just that there is pretty much zero time after suspend before resume
[15:08] <pitti> Laney: is that reproducible, or only happened once?
[15:08] <pitti> I don't think there's an inhibitor, otherwise you wouldn't have gotten that ar
[15:08] <Laney> I did suspend, resume, <read a couple of emails>, suspend
[15:08] <pitti> far
[15:09] <Laney> yesterday I had to reboot because of a resume failure but it could have been the same thing
[15:09] <Laney> lemme just try suspend/resuming a few times now
[15:09] <pitti> oh, there I see the gap, sorry
[15:09] <pitti> I figure you cut away the resume part from that?
[15:15] <mzanetti> seb128: hey, did you push the workaround for bluez4 somewhere?
[15:18] <seb128> mzanetti, hey, no, but you can edit /usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/bluetooth/DisplayPasskeyDialog.qml l39
[15:18] <seb128> mzanetti, remove the .slice(entered)
[15:18] <mzanetti> seb128: ack
[15:18] <seb128> mzanetti, I can push that somewhere if you want, didn't do the fix I mentioned the other day yet but I can try to do that today or tomorrow
[15:18] <seb128> (the "if "entered" > 6, then ignore it)
[15:19] <mlankhorst> meh no luck now..
[15:19] <mlankhorst> [   17.215852] init: apport-noui (/var/crash/_usr_bin_unity-system-compositor-spinner.0.crash) main process (2001) terminated with status 1
[15:19] <willcooke_> sneezewort, you'll likely have better luck in the #ubuntu channel
[15:19] <mzanetti> seb128: no worries, I'm just currently checking status on silo0 to see what's missing, and that one popped up.
[15:19] <sneezewort> willcooke_, OK thanks.
[15:22] <Laney> took 6 or 7 goes but I got a failure
[15:25] <pitti> Laney: i. e. it immediately resumed again? either way, that sounds like a "fun" kernel bug to track down :(
[15:25] <pitti> Laney: if you never had this before, I suggest trying some earlier kernels, perhaps utopic's?
[15:25] <Laney> pitti: you get a black screen
[15:25] <Laney> yeah, good plan
[15:26] <pitti> Laney: another thing to try would be to run pm-suspend and see if you can reproduce it with that
[15:26] <pitti> Laney: on any graphics card that supports KMS and reasonably modern nvidia cards (with the proprietary driver) the pm-utils quirks shouldn't be necessary any more, but maybe some are still applied on your system which help
[15:31] <Laney> pitti: I'll try tomorrow, need to patch pilot now
[15:31] <pitti> Laney: ah, safe flying!
[15:31] <pitti> Laney: ack, we can then check which quirks pm-utils actually applies, etc.
[15:37] <Laney> bah
[15:37] <Laney> some network related lock up too
[15:37] <Laney> bad day for laney
[16:09] <Laney> mlankhorst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1420294 for you
[16:20] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, do you where in the code you toggle on/off discoverability of bt?
[16:20] <cyphermox> yes, that's in plugins/bluetooth/devicemodel.cpp
[16:21] <didrocks> happyaron: fcitx MIR approved now, thanks!
[16:21] <cyphermox> in the init functions as soon as you know there is an adapter to do this on
[16:21] <didrocks> happyaron: see my comment on how we are going to promote things in main, are you going to seed it directly or having a dep/recommends?
[16:21] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[16:36] <willcooke_> didrocks, happyaron - great work guys, thanks
[16:37] <didrocks> seems that vivid will get fcitx in main :)
[16:41] <attente_> willcooke_, didrocks: should i start merging those old branches for u-c-c, u-s-d, indicator-keyboard for fcitx support?
[16:43] <didrocks> attente_: did you try against latest fctix (it doesn't seem to have changed much)? is the support complete? Meaning we have the ibus vs fcitx switch? (I didn't follow the end of that discussion, probably seb128 is more up to date on this)
[16:43] <attente_> didrocks: i'll try it again, but last i remember they were just waiting on the MIR
[16:44] <didrocks> better to triple check, but if so, all good, then we can push them and promote things as needed :)
[16:45] <attente_> ok, thanks, really hope they're still ok...
[16:53] <willcooke_> does anyone else find setting the input focus in gnome-calculator to be a bit tricky?
[16:54] <willcooke_> I get the caret when I move the mouse over the numbers field
[16:55] <willcooke_> but when I click it doesnt get the focus unless the mouse is, seemingly above half way
[16:56] <willcooke_> I think that line underneath where you put the numbers, where it might say, for example, "Division by zero is undefined"
[16:56] <willcooke_> is what I'm actually clicking on
[16:56] <willcooke_> but it might be nice if clicking there focused the numbers input area instead?
[16:57] <willcooke_> or not show the caret until I'm over the numbers
[16:57] <larsu> willcooke_: how do you get that field to lose focus?
[16:57] <larsu> seems to always have focus for me
[16:57] <didrocks> larsu: I'm desperatly trying to have it losing focus as well :)
[16:58] <willcooke_> larsu, I can use the drop downs for converting between things
[16:58] <larsu> ah
[16:58] <larsu> yeah this is weird
[16:58] <willcooke_> in advanced mode that is
[16:58] <larsu> it's because you can select the "error" text
[16:58] <willcooke_> I can see that selecting the text in there might be useful
[16:58] <willcooke_> but not very often
[16:58] <larsu> hence you also get a caret cursor
[16:58] <willcooke_> yeah, makes sense
[16:58] <willcooke_> it just rubs me up the wrong way for some reason
[16:58] <willcooke_> :)
[16:59] <larsu> mpt is a big proponent of that, because you want to allow users to copy/paste error messages for questions
[16:59] <willcooke_> sure
[16:59] <larsu> it looks like the same widget though
[16:59] <larsu> maybe we can trick it to focus the right thing on click
[16:59] <larsu> but keep the same behavior when selecting...
[17:00]  * didrocks can't use gnome-calculator anyway, it's not a RPN calc and so, breaks my mind… :)
[17:00] <larsu> oh really?
[17:00] <larsu> kewl
[17:00]  * larsu uses python3
[17:01] <didrocks> larsu: years of using HP48, there is no going back in your mental model :)
[17:01] <larsu> never did use that
[17:02] <willcooke_> I would argue that when it loses focus and regains it the input field should be selected by default
[17:02] <larsu> but I can imagine
[17:02] <didrocks> willcooke_: agreed, maybe something to discuss with robert as he's upstream?
[17:02] <willcooke_> sure, just venting my very minor annoyances
[17:02] <willcooke_> :)
[17:02] <willcooke_> I feel better now
[17:03] <didrocks> ahah
[17:03] <willcooke_> ah
[17:03] <willcooke_> in basic mode
[17:03] <didrocks> larsu: it was always fun to lend the calc to someone else and see them being very puzzled :)
[17:39]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night
[19:36] <Noskcaj> Laney, Is there anything i can do to speed up the gtk3.16 work? I noticed the PPA versions are lightly behind gnome upstream
[19:38] <Noskcaj> Also, should we try and fit clutter-gst-3.0 in before FF?
[19:41] <mterry> seb128, hello!  Is there a wiki page about running the u8 preview image?
[19:43] <mterry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop
[19:54] <mlankhorst> Laney: already done :P
[19:54] <mlankhorst> Laney: but it FTBFS
[19:55] <mlankhorst> forgot to re-upload the build fix with -v, so it didn't close the bugs
[22:11] <robert_ancell> infinity, I'm trying to remove an archive block (bug 958345) by following the procedure suggested when I try to upload. Is that on the radar for ~ubuntu-archive?
[22:23] <desrt> reminder: new launch attempt in ~40 mins
[22:53] <robert_ancell> desrt, watcha launching?
[22:54] <larsu> robert_ancell: a rocket
[22:54] <robert_ancell> larsu, at new zealand?
[22:54]  * robert_ancell ducks
[22:55] <ochosi> larsu: oh wow, you're around at this hour...
[22:57] <desrt> robert_ancell: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
[22:57] <desrt> an interesting launch for two reasons
[22:57] <desrt> one: it's the first time we send something to orbit L1
[22:58] <desrt> two: it's another attempt for space X to play xlander
[22:58] <robert_ancell> oh, fun
[22:58] <sarnold> I thought I heard they cancelled the landing due to weather concerns
[22:58] <desrt> that was yesterday
[22:58] <desrt> today is their retry
[22:58] <desrt> and the winds are nice and calm....
[22:58] <sarnold> I think it's the ten-meter waves at the landing location that caused them to scrub the landing
[22:59] <desrt> i understood it was the 100km/h+ winds in the upper atmosphere
[22:59] <sarnold> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/565636516551352321
[23:00] <desrt> oh!
[23:00] <desrt> :(
[23:00] <desrt> no xlander today, i guess
[23:02] <desrt> i thought you were talking about yesterday's scrub
[23:03] <desrt> which was also due to weather...
[23:04] <robert_ancell> flash crashed one second before launch
[23:04] <desrt> perfect
[23:04] <desrt> fortunately the rocket did not do the same
[23:05] <larsu> ochosi: hacker schedule
[23:05] <ochosi> :)
[23:05] <larsu> robert_ancell: hopefully not :D
[23:06] <ochosi> larsu: hmm, so what are your thoughts on a possible gtk3.16 transition? i thought you just finished fixing up gtk3.14..?
[23:06] <larsu> ochosi: I was in the room when we had the idea...
[23:06] <larsu> 3.16 was pretty calm
[23:07] <ochosi> what, no theme breakage?
[23:07] <desrt> stage1 just got cut loose
[23:07] <larsu> only notify-osd so far
[23:07]  * ochosi is semi-disappointed
[23:07] <larsu> and a few other issues (resizing problems in terminal for example)
[23:07] <ochosi> but the 3.16 cycle is not done yet
[23:07]  * larsu has been running it for a week and it works great
[23:07] <larsu> better inspector, too
[23:08] <ochosi> hmm
[23:08] <larsu> ochosi: I know, but I also know that probably not many more changes are coming
[23:08] <ochosi> i guess i need to look into it
[23:08] <larsu> it's in the desktop team ppa
[23:08] <ochosi> well, i'm always a bit hesitative about gtk3 upgrades tbh :)
we're getting better!</gnome-hat>
[23:08] <ochosi> hehe
[23:09] <ochosi> well, that is good to hear
[23:09] <ochosi> both, that you're getting better and that you're wearing a gnome hat now
[23:09] <larsu> usually I don't wear it in this channel
[23:14] <ochosi> well, good though if there are upstream connections
[23:16] <ochosi> less surprises


[17:11] <arraybolt3> I have a rather strange request to make. I'm attempting to update the slideshow for Lubuntu 23.04's installer, and I want to make part of that slideshow include a screenshot of an IRC support session.
[17:11] <arraybolt3> By default, the IRC client in Lubuntu uses the #ubuntu channel. So I would like permission to do a "simulated" support session in #ubuntu.
[17:12] <arraybolt3> Basically that means I'll be joining as a user named "lubuntu" from a VM, make up a problem, and then using my arraybolt3 nick, attempt to solve the problem. So I'll be talking to myself.
[17:12] <arraybolt3> Is that OK? Or should I figure out an alternate way to do this?
[17:13] <arraybolt3> (Also note that the screenshot I end up capturing may (read: will certainly) have the nicks and possibly the words of other users from the channel.
[17:13] <tomreyn> and possibly their ip addresses / hostmasks, too?
[17:14] <arraybolt3> Hrm, didn't think about that.
[17:14] <arraybolt3> I can set my IRC client to hide that.
[17:14] <arraybolt3> (By disabling join/part messages.)
[17:14] <arraybolt3> Or I could blur them out.
[17:15] <tomreyn> that or blur them later, i guess
[17:15] <tomreyn> :)
[17:15] <arraybolt3> +1, I can do that easy.
[17:17] <arraybolt3> I think I will go with blurring them out since the screenshot is going to be shrunk down anyway and people won't really notice the blurring unless they look close, and that way it looks close to out-of-the-box like a user would normally see.
[17:19] <tomreyn> i think it will be good if you announce on the channel that the user who is about to join will just pretend to seek support, and should be ignored.
[17:20] <arraybolt3> Good point, especially since I'm going to be using Lubuntu 23.04, which is off-topic in #ubuntu and it would be nice to avoid people waving me on to #ubuntu-next when I'm simulating a support session that would happen after 23.04's release.
[17:20] <tomreyn> also note there is a good chance someone else will be using this nickname at the time, or it may already be registered, resulting in th euser to be renamed to Guest...
[17:22] <arraybolt3> True, however while there is a registered "lubuntu" user already, they seem to not have nick protection so I can "steal" the nick temporarily, which shouldn't be a problem since it is the default nick in Lubuntu anyway so it should be obvious that it's a default.
[17:22] <arraybolt3> If it would be better, though, I could change the nick to some Guest12345 or whatever instead.
[17:25] <arraybolt3> OK. I think that should work. Thanks for your help!
[17:30] <arraybolt3> Nice, that went smoothly. OK, I think I'm done here, thanks for everything!
[23:54] <Unit193> IIRC I grouped lubuntu to the irccouncil account, but since it's not been used in a while enforce wouldn't kick in.


[01:40] <Burgundavia> desrt: you around?
[01:41] <bhale> hi Burgundavia
[01:41] <Burgundavia> I am unable to get on irc.gimp.ca
[01:41] <Burgundavia> are you having issues with gimpnet?
[01:41] <bhale> no
[01:41] <Burgundavia> hmm
[01:42] <bhale> -|- gnome: irc.gnome.org:6667 ()
[01:42] <bhale> oops
[01:44] <Burgundavia> ok, attempting to close gimpnet crashed x-g
[03:47] <wasabi_> so here i am at wild palms
[03:48] <wasabi_> who else is present? ;)
[03:49] <wasabi_> gah n770 xchat
[03:50] <evand> I'm here
[03:50] <wasabi_> me->lobby
[04:11] <wasabi_> metrofree is a flakey
[04:11] <wasabi_> a bit
[04:12] <evand> the wifi service? yeah, i noticed that as well
[04:25] <Burgundavia> evand: greets
[04:29] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:33] <desrt> where is everyone?
[05:33] <desrt> is there #-summit or such?
[05:35] <crimsun> desrt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-November/000218.html
[05:36] <desrt> crimsun; are you here?
[05:36] <crimsun> desrt: "here" being in Mtn View, CA? If so, no.
[05:37] <desrt> shame :(
[05:38] <wasabi_> im "here"
[05:38] <jsgotangco> nice
[05:38] <wasabi_> nobody on irc it seems
[05:39] <wasabi_> guees they're all sitting in the lobby
[05:39] <jsgotangco> :(
[05:40] <neuralis> i'm here and starved; need to go track down a place to eat
[05:40] <desrt> me too
[05:40] <desrt> meet me... [somewhere] ?
[05:41] <wasabi_> haha
[05:41] <wasabi_> i ate at the persian place down the street
[05:41] <desrt> hmm
[05:41] <desrt> what do they have?
[05:41] <wasabi_> persian food.
[05:41] <wasabi_> falaffal, that kinda stuff.
[05:41] <desrt> that's a pretty wide catagory :)
[05:42] <wasabi_> i had this lental+eggplant thing
[05:42] <desrt> oh. that's lebanese
[05:42] <desrt> there are a lot of people who are not here :(
[05:43] <wasabi_> as in not coming or not here yet?
[05:43] <wasabi_> im in my room too. watching tv.
[05:43] <wasabi_> YAY FOR IRC
[05:43] <desrt> anyone know if sebuild and sebuild jr. are here?
[05:43] <jsgotangco> where are you guys staying?
[05:43] <wasabi_> "the hotel"
[05:43] <desrt> google:wild palms hotel
[05:43] <jsgotangco> ahh nice
[05:43] <wasabi_> okay lets head towards the lobby or something
[05:43] <desrt> ok
[05:43] <wasabi_> i have to put cloths on my gf first. hold on.
[05:43] <desrt> do you figure the rooms are safe nough to leave shit in?
[05:43] <wasabi_> oh yeah. totally.
[05:44] <Ng> desrt: there are safes in the wardrobes
[05:44] <desrt> if my laptop goes missing it's on you
[05:44] <desrt> oh.  sweet!
[05:44] <wasabi_> there's a safe in yoru closet.
[05:44] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:44] <wasabi_> yeah
[05:44] <Ng> big enough for not-unreasonably-large laptops at least
[05:44] <neuralis> but do you get wifi reception in the safe?
[05:44] <TheMuso> hahaha
[05:44] <desrt> heh
[05:44] <desrt> or recharging
[05:44] <wasabi_> i barely get wifi reception outside the safe
[05:45] <wasabi_> I have one bar on nm.
[05:45] <Ng> no eth cable?
[05:45] <wasabi_> This metrowifi thing is awesome though
[05:45] <wasabi_> free wifi all over the city
[05:45] <neuralis> i recommend congregating on front of a specific room, otherwise we'll need to play the identification game if we meet next to a bunch of other people
[05:45] <neuralis> s/on front/in front/
[05:45] <desrt> metrowifi is EVIL
[05:45] <wasabi_> I'm a red head in a blue shirt.
[05:45] <wasabi_> haha
[05:45] <desrt> thank god for my VPN connection
[05:45] <wasabi_> With the hot girl.
[05:45] <desrt> bye bye evilproxy
[05:45] <wasabi_> We need name badges.
[05:45] <wasabi_> desrt:  room #? we can go there. =0
[05:46] <jdub> have a fun week dudes :-)
[05:46] <wasabi_> jdub: =(
[05:46] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[05:46] <Ng> wasabi_: you get name badges tomorrow
[05:46] <jsgotangco> jdub: dude!
[05:46] <neuralis> wasabi_, desrt: 1292 in 10 minutes?
[05:46] <wasabi_> sure that works.
[05:46] <wasabi_> 1292, building 1 floor 2?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: hahaha
[05:47] <neuralis> wasabi_: standard first floor (up one flight of stairs)
[05:48] <wasabi_> oh
[05:48] <wasabi_> i guess i don't yet understand the numbers
[05:50] <wasabi_> okay heading out
[05:50] <wasabi_> 1292 here i come heh
[05:51] <evand> Burgundavia: howdy.  Are you attending the summit?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> sadly, nope
[05:52] <evand> damn, I was hoping to touch base with you
[05:53] <Burgundavia> so was I
[05:53] <Burgundavia> I might be there for later in the week, but that is very iffy at this poing
[05:54] <evand> ok
[06:33] <YokoZar> Ok, I just found out about the conference in mountainview tomorrow, but can only go for Sunday.  I'd like to talk about Wine...what can I do?
[06:34] <neuralis> YokoZar: it's unlikely you can get a spec in and scheduled for tomorrow at this point; i would recommend showing up and just grabbing the people you want to talk to over a meal or such
[06:35] <YokoZar> Also, I hear Google is offering us free food from their world class cafeteria.  True?
[08:33] <sivang> morning
[09:05] <ubuntu_demon> hey
[09:05] <ubuntu_demon> We arrived at the hotel :)
[09:06] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:06] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[09:06] <jsgotangco> have a nice time
[09:07] <jsgotangco> i couldn't come this time, it would have been nice to see you again
[09:07] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: thanks :)
[09:07] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: too bad you couldn't come :(
[09:07] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: but maybe we'll meet at some future UDS someday
[09:07] <jsgotangco> there's always feisty+1 planning ;)
[09:08] <ubuntu_demon> :)
[09:08] <ubuntu_demon> It took me 28 hours of travelling and delays to get here
[09:08] <jsgotangco> sucks to be in a plane for more than a day huh
[09:08] <jsgotangco> especially its your first time ;)
[09:09] <ubuntu_demon> we mostly sat at airports
[09:09] <ubuntu_demon> the actual flying time was about 15 hours
[09:10] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: sucks doesn't it.
[09:10] <ubuntu_demon> we missed the connection from Houston to San Fransisco
[09:10] <jsgotangco> heh i remember in Paris, I almost missed my flight in a few minutes
[09:10] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: flying was nice but the waiting at the airports wasn't
[09:10] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: wow
[09:11] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: you got lucky then :)
[09:11] <TheMuso> Coming home, I flew Parris to Dubai, and from Dubai back to Sydney, which was 13 hours.
[09:11] <TheMuso> That flight alone really sucked.
[09:11] <jsgotangco> I remember me and ubuntu_demon were in the same cab
[09:11] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: I remember that too ;)
[09:12] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: did we meet in Paris ? what's your normal name ?
[09:12] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: I don't think we did. My name is Luke.
[09:12] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: But you was present at UDS Paris ?
[09:12] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: I'm Roald
[09:12] <TheMuso> Yes I was.
[09:13] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: I know.
[09:13] <TheMuso> But I am sure we didn't meat in person.
[09:13] <jsgotangco> oh he's one big meat for sure
[09:13] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: lol
[09:13] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: what's your launchpad nick ?
[09:14] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: themuso
[09:15] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: I did meet Henrik. So we didn't meet ?
[09:15] <TheMuso> Not as far as I remember.
[09:15] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: same here :)
[09:15] <jsgotangco> heh a week is not really enough to meet and talk with everyone in a summit
[09:16] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: Damn right./
[09:16] <jsgotangco> unless you get drunk all night
[09:18] <TheMuso> I'm feeling saddened not to be there at this one though, after the enjoyment of Parris.
[09:18] <ubuntu_demon> Paris was great.
[09:22] <sladen> TheMuso: have you attempted to get VoIP working yet?
[09:22] <TheMuso> sladen: I already have an ekiga account set up from a few weeks back.
[09:23] <TheMuso> But there aren't many accessibility specs this time round.
[09:23] <TheMuso> Only one or two.
[09:23] <jsgotangco> sladen: it would be shocking to know if you're not going there :)
[09:29] <ubuntu_demon> I don't have time to test VOIP now. I'm going to sleep to be able to get up tomorrow morning. Good night!
[09:29] <sladen> TheMuso: they've changed the design, you'll need to get a 'voip.canonical.com' account for the streams
[09:29] <sladen> jsgotangco: would be shocking wouldn't it.   :P
[09:51] <Amaranth> my city has 80,000 people :)
[09:52] <ogra> \o/
[09:52] <Amaranth> my ears still won't pop :/
[09:52] <BHSPitLappy> use a hammer
[09:52] <sivang> ogra: google have a hotel as well? :)
[09:56] <ogra> sivang, no, its the wilr palms hotel in sunnyvale
[09:57] <pygi> hey ogra ^_^
[09:57] <ivoks> hi ogra and pygi :)
[09:58] <sivang> hey ivoks
[09:58] <ivoks> hi sivang
[09:58] <Amaranth> i think ajmitch is in this hotel
[09:58] <lastnode> Amaranth, want something to kill some time? :-)
[09:59] <Amaranth> heh, what?
[09:59] <ivoks> pih... everybody is at google.. pih... big deal :)
[09:59] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:59] <lastnode> Amaranth, have a look at - http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 , and test the .debs for us :-)
[09:59] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:00] <pygi> ogra: any chance of answer to yesterdays questions before the connection dropped? :P
[10:02] <sivang> Amaranth: SoC tour of google? :)
[10:02] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:02] <Amaranth> Summer of Code
[10:02] <ivoks> lol
[10:02] <sivang> Amaranth: heh, I know what SoC is, do they have GoogleTours now? ;>
[10:02] <jsgotangco> ahaha
[10:02] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:03] <jsgotangco> seems to be a good sprint for edubuntu now
[10:03] <Amaranth> damn ears
[10:03] <Amaranth> everything sounds like it's really far away
[11:07] <Administrator__> will update-grub work, when invoked within a chroot env?
[11:18] <prada> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a second HDD. During the Partition, I get an error that says "Unable to instal selected Kernel"
[11:22] <Hobbsee> Administrator__: is grub even installed in a chroot environment?
[11:22] <Administrator__> Hobbsee, it does the following:
[11:22] <Administrator__>  I'm creating a recovery cd, ( boot > restore partition table > mkfs > mount > restore with big tarball) so I assuming that someone will mess up grub and mbr(worst case scenario), I was wondering if just backing up the mbr with dd would be sufficient?
[11:23] <Administrator__> or update-grub
[11:23] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[11:23] <Administrator__> how does the ubuntu-installer install grub ?
[11:23] <prada> Hobbsee?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> pass
[11:24] <prada> Huh?
[11:26] <prada> Hey, there are not many girls that Use Linux. Be nice to the ones that try to
[11:26] <Hobbsee> sure, i am one :)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> but i dont know
[11:26] <Treenaks> Administrator__: grub-install :)
[11:26] <geser> Administrator__: update-grub updates only the menu.lst, to install grub use grub-install or the grub shell
[11:27] <prada> you are a girl
[11:28] <jsgotangco> haha
[11:29] <tfheen> hiya jsgotangco
[11:30] <sivang> hey tfheen, 'sup?
[11:30] <Administrator__> Well guys, does one of you know how the ubuntu installer solves this?
[11:30] <jsgotangco> hey tfheen how's mountain view
[11:30] <tfheen> sivang: it's half past two in the night, but my internal clock thinks it's 11:30, so sleeping is hard.
[11:31] <Treenaks> Administrator__: it just calls grub-install, afaik
[11:32] <jsgotangco> its hard to live in the past when you are from the future
[11:32] <tfheen> jsgotangco: got in about 12 hours ago, half of which I've spent in bed, sleeping.
[11:33] <TheMuso> Heh gotta love that jet lag.
[11:34] <tfheen> I'm going to try to get some sleep in a little bit
[11:34] <Hobbsee> prada: yes
[11:34] <Hobbsee> hey tfheen
[11:35] <Administrator__> Treenaks, where does one get it's source?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> right.  it must be time for some merging.  feisty pbuilder is created
[11:35] <Hobbsee> painlessly, even
[11:35] <Treenaks> Administrator__: of the installer? apt-get source casper, I guess
[11:36] <tfheen> the live installer is ubiquity, not casper.
[11:36] <Treenaks> oh wait
[11:36] <tfheen> casper is the live cd framework
[11:36] <prada> Saddam has been found quilty...Sentence to death..
[11:37] <prada> just watching the news
[11:37] <Treenaks> prada: off-topic. please take it to a news channel.
[11:37] <tfheen> prada: that is hardly on-topic for this channel
[11:37] <Treenaks> tfheen: ah! THAT's the difference! :)
[11:37] <prada> well i need help
[11:37] <prada> i have ask
[11:38] <prada> death by hanging
[11:39] <sivang> tfheen: oh dear, try to see if they have late night jacuzzi sessions, so you could go and relax there :)
[11:39] <tfheen> sivang: 0600-2230, iirc
[11:39] <sivang> tfheen: ah, crap, anyway take care
[11:39] <prada> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a second HDD. During the Partition, I get an error that says "Unable to instal selected Kernel"
[11:40] <sivang> tfheen: I can feel the sadness feeling not being able to be there and loose sleep with you :)
[11:40] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:40] <TheMuso> sivang: Likewise.
[11:43] <tfheen> sivang: heh. :-)
[11:44] <tfheen> prada: this channel is not for support questions, I'm sorry.
[11:50] <prada> well u helped build the crap
[11:50] <prada> figured u would know
[11:51] <tfheen> whether I or anybody know how to fix it or not is irrelevant; it's not appropriate for this channel.
[12:05] <prada> who are you tfheen?
[12:06] <prada> what have u done so great for
[12:06] <prada> unbuntu
[12:07] <crimsun> prada: this is becoming off-topic. See his LP page: https://launchpad.net/people/tfheen
[12:07] <prada> Ubuntu
[12:07] <Treenaks> prada: Stop trolling, please.
[12:07] <tfheen> prada: I'm the ubuntu release manager as well as the primary maintainer of casper and the amd64 port.   The topic clearly notes this channel is not used for support.
[12:09] <prada> I would have left a long time ago..if I got an answer
[12:09] <tfheen> prada: uh?  I'm telling you you are offtopic for this channel.  That has nothing to do with "being better" than anybody else (which is a silly thing to say anyway)
[12:10] <prada> Kinda dumb when you have to start to beg for help....How old is everyone in this room
[12:10] <jsgotangco> oh boy
[12:11] <jsgotangco> see topic!
[12:11] <Treenaks> prada: this is not a supoprt channel, if you want help, it's better to just go to #ubuntu and ask there.
[12:17] <prada> Treenaks!!!!! trolling is stretching it...TRUST ME. this is the last place I would consider a blast to be
[12:18] <pygi> prada: please stop this campaign of non-sense. Just read the topic.
[12:18] <prada> Pygi! how old are you
[12:19] <pygi> prada: now tell me what the age has to do with anything? I'm a little baby :)
[12:19] <prada> figured
[12:25] <prada> this is so dumb....I am starting to think no one knows anyway...Insecure people...thinking they have POWER over a channel.hahah...this is the only place you have it...so all of u in here keep on throwing the weight around, most likely its lard not power
[12:26] <Hobbsee> prada: have you heard of the ubuntu developer summit?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> prada: right now, that's where a lot of the developers are going, including the ones who know the answer to your question
[12:27] <Hobbsee> prada: and right now, it's the middle of the night there, and they're all asleep
[12:27] <pygi> prada: and once again, this is *NOT* a support channel
[12:28] <prada> Shutup pigy
[12:28] <tfheen> Hobbsee: thanks.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> tfheen: not a problem
[12:28] <tfheen> but isn't that ban a bit wide?  Catching all chatzilla users from satx.res.rr.com?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> aww bugger, i just installed edgy with the wrong keymap
[12:29] <tfheen> I guess we can remove it in a bit
[12:29] <Hobbsee> tfheen: yeah, it was.  i'm not in my normal client
[12:29] <Hobbsee> tfheen: when i am, i'll narrow it down a bit, if at all possible
[12:29] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: isn
[12:29] <Burgundavia> isn't irc wonderfully arcane?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: haha.  irssi si
[12:30] <Hobbsee> *is
[12:30] <Burgundavia> all of irc is
[12:30] <Spads> Hobbsee: You may enjoy /knockout (default alias /kn), as that unbans people after a short cooling off period
[12:30] <Hobbsee> that being said, i do like +d bans
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Spads: nice!
[12:31] <Spads> Hobbsee: It's apparently been in irssi for a long while, but I only discovered it last year
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Spads: :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Spads: i prefer to +d, but i cant in this case
[12:33] <Spads> Hobbsee: what's a +d?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Spads: a very special ban :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> real name ban
[12:34] <mc44> is it going to be possible to join the UDS VOIP sessions even if I dont have a microphone (obviously I wont be able to talk :)?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> mc44: it was last time.  what are we using this time?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Spads: ^
[12:35] <mc44> Hobbsee: Ekiga I belive
[12:35] <Spads> SIP
[12:35] <Hobbsee> oh nich
[12:35] <Hobbsee> *nice!
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yay for manual ops stuff :)
[12:36] <jsgotangco> its a shame i'll be sleeping while the summit starts
[12:36] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: indeed.  same problem here, of course.  it'd be far better if the world was flat
[12:37] <Spads> We actually recommend twinkle
[12:37] <luisbg> what time is it right now in local time of the summit?
[12:37] <Spads> Sun Nov  5 03:37:46 PST 2006
[12:37] <mc44> Spads: are you around to create VOIP accounts now?
[12:37] <Spads> mc44: briefly, yes
[12:38] <Hobbsee> tfheen: what's the time there?
[12:38] <tfheen> Hobbsee: what Spads said; 03:38
[12:38] <Hobbsee> oh, missed it, sorry
[12:39] <luisbg> so 5 and half hours for the summit to start?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Spads: how do we get VOIP accounts to participate?
[12:39] <tfheen> luisbg: something like that, yes.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> seeing as i missed that too, previously
[12:39] <tfheen> I should probably try to catch a bit of sleep
[12:39] <Hobbsee> tfheen: indeed.
[12:40] <luisbg> is there going to be activity here in irc...or since everybody can talk in person irc will be desertic?
[12:40] <jsgotangco> luisbg: there will be some, but most of the time it'll be chatter instead of actualy summit proceedings
[12:41] <luisbg> jsgotangco, ok
[12:50] <Spads> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[12:50] <Spads> I'm around to make accounts now, but I will be leaving at some point
[12:54] <highvoltage> Spads: can I get an account?
[12:54] <Spads> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[12:54] <highvoltage> oops, I won't be able to test now, I think I'll ask on -sysadmin a bit later
[12:55] <highvoltage> (don't have a mic on this laptop)
[12:55] <Spads> ok
[12:55] <Spads> we need to test when you get your account
[01:17] <jsgotangco> ahh an account needs to be created
[03:34] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:34] <pygi> hey bddebian :)
[03:35] <bddebian> Morning pygi
[03:53] <sivang> hmm, so LP already has feisty in, is it already open to uploads?
[03:53] <bmonty> not yet
[03:53] <sivang> okay, cool, just wanted to make sure I'm not missing the merge fun
[03:53] <bmonty> there was a post on that on ubuntu-devel a couple days ago
[03:54] <ajmitch> morning all
[03:54] <pygi> hey ajmitch
[03:54] <dsas> people are already filing sync requests though..
[03:54] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:54] <sivang> dsas: for main or universe?
[03:55] <dsas> universe are the only ones I've noticed get filed so far.
[03:55] <ajmitch> sivang: for both, where there are changes to be dropped
[03:55] <sivang> ajmitch: I see
[04:00] <evand> good morning
[04:01] <pygi> hey evand
[04:01] <evand> howdy
[04:02] <ajmitch> morning mpt, how's the hotel?
[04:03] <zul> hey
[04:03] <mpt> ajmitch, pretty and adequate
[04:04] <sivang> discussions start on Monday right?
[04:05] <mpt> This morning, I think
[04:05] <ajmitch> yeah, we're walking to google after breakfast
[04:06] <mpt> "the summit [will]  commence @ 09.00hrs on Sunday 5th November"
[04:06] <zul> schedule is up i think
[04:07] <ajmitch> morning zul
[04:07] <Amaranth> ajmitch: what hotel are you in?
[04:07] <ajmitch> Amaranth: quality inn, room 130
[04:07] <Amaranth> ajmitch: room 118
[04:07] <ajmitch> best part about it - everyone snores in here :)
[04:08] <Amaranth> heh
[04:08] <Amaranth> it's a _long_ hallway
[04:09] <stgraber> we know that will be number from 5001 to 5016, the rest we don't :)
[04:09] <sivang> ajmitch: this is the canonical hotel as well ?
[04:09] <stgraber> we can try to join all of them one by one and ask :)
[04:09] <wasabi_> ajmitch: quality inn?
[04:09] <wasabi_> im at the wild palms
[04:09] <zul> ditto
[04:11] <Amaranth> he actually walked down the hall :P
[04:11] <ajmitch> wasabi_: yep
[04:12] <Amaranth> ajmitch: are you on GoogleWifi?
[04:12] <ajmitch> sivang: no, it's not
[04:12] <Amaranth> i get better signal with them then the hotel wifi
[04:12] <fabbione> GOOD MORNING SFO!
[04:12] <ajmitch> Amaranth: poor signal here with googlewifi
[04:12] <zul> hey fabbione
[04:12] <ajmitch> morning fabbione
[04:12] <Amaranth> 54% with google, something less with hotel's
[04:12] <wasabi_> it's like 7am or something bleh
[04:12] <Amaranth> heh
[04:13] <Amaranth> i didn't get to bed until 2am
[04:13] <zul> heh breakfash in half-hourish
[04:13] <wasabi_> yeah whens that startr?
[04:13] <Amaranth> didn't get here until after midnight, damn trains
[04:13] <wasabi_> me and desrt and some brit guy went and got drunk last night
[04:13] <Amaranth> heh
[04:13] <Amaranth> Figures. :P
[04:15] <mconnor> man, where can you get drunk in Sunnyvale?
[04:15] <wasabi_> down the street, biker bar.
[04:15] <wasabi_> heh
[04:15] <mconnor> I will keep that in mind next week!
[04:16] <mconnor> assuming I don't just get drunk at the office
[04:16] <Amaranth> ajmitch: google maps says we're 2.9 miles (4.6km) away
[04:16] <wasabi_> away from what?
[04:16] <wasabi_> i was just thinking yall could head tot he hotel, and grab the shuttle. save some distance
[04:17] <Amaranth> nope, wild palms is further away
[04:17] <wasabi_> ahh
[04:17] <Amaranth> yeah, wild palms is 7 miles away
[04:18] <Amaranth> in the opposite direction
[04:18] <wasabi_> so what time do the shuttles get here? my email is down. =(
[04:18] <zul> 8:30ish i think
[04:18] <fabbione> wasabi: from wild palms?
[04:18] <wasabi_> yeah
[04:18] <fabbione> the first bus leaves at 8
[04:18] <fabbione> the last one at 8:30
[04:18] <wasabi_> oh ok
[04:18] <fabbione> but i am pretty sure we need to spread across busses
[04:18] <fabbione> if we show all up at 8:30 we won't fit
[04:18] <wasabi_> yeah there's a lot of people here
[04:19] <ogra> *YAWN*
[04:19] <ogra> morning
[04:20] <wasabi_> hmm. wish my laptop coudl change its time on it's own.
[04:23] <ajmitch> morning ogra
[04:23] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[04:33] <Amaranth> haha
[04:33] <Amaranth> i found the usb cable for my ipod
[04:33] <Amaranth> i thought i had forgotten it
[04:34] <Amaranth> but wait, it gets funnier
[04:34] <Amaranth> I forgot the iPod.
[04:34] <stgraber> :)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:38] <Amaranth> time for breakfast
[05:16] <arf`> ouch
[05:16] <arf`> where is the boss, please? =)
[05:18] <pygi> arf`, there is no bosses around here
[05:19] <pygi> are no
[05:19] <arf`> =)
[05:19] <arf`> I know
[05:19] <arf`> pygi: not for support, but strange question
[05:19] <arf`> didn't know where to ask
[05:20] <arf`> why is there a <IP_ADDRESS> = hostname in /etc/hosts?
[05:21] <arf`> I desperate, nobody knows :(
[05:22] <netpython> bait maybe:P
[05:25] <bmonty> arf`: I don't know the answer, but a google search for "<IP_ADDRESS>" gets a lot of hits...might be something there
[05:25] <arf`> I searched
[05:25] <bmonty> if you don't like it, you could always remove it
[05:25] <arf`> I'm coming here as last chance
[05:26] <arf`> bmonty: ok, but removing won't explain :)
[05:26] <netpython> is xorg statically linked in ubuntu?
[05:26] <bmonty> arf`: true
[05:27] <arf`> I've searched, I've asked, I wan't to know :)
[05:29] <minghua> arf`: the <IP_ADDRESS> is something inherited from debian
[05:29] <minghua> arf`: as far as I know debian has reverted that change now
[05:30] <minghua> <IP_ADDRESS> is not different from <IP_ADDRESS> anyway
[05:30] <ivoks> it's not
[05:30] <arf`> minghua: yeah, more surprising to me
[05:30] <ivoks> <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> - it's all the same
[05:30] <arf`> ivoks, exactly, so why?
[05:31] <ivoks> name resolving
[05:31] <arf`> if no use... why
[05:31] <arf`> if use, what?
[05:31] <minghua> oh, probably debian hasn't reverted the change
[05:32] <arf`> minghua: I've never seen that with debian for the last 6 years...
[05:32] <ivoks> let's say box is hostname of your machine
[05:32] <minghua> it only appears in certain cases, which explain why I don't have it in the current computer
[05:32] <minghua> arf`: it's a quite recent change
[05:32] <minghua> debian bug #316099 for those interested
[05:32] <ivoks> you have different addresses for localhost and box
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 316099 in netcfg "Please give system hostname IP address <IP_ADDRESS>" [Unknown,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/316099
[05:33] <arf`> wow
[05:34] <minghua> (the correct way to google is "<IP_ADDRESS> site:lists.debian.org" BTW :-)
[05:35] <arf`> as I didn't saw in debian, I didn't seek so hard by this way
[05:35] <arf`> (sorry if strange english...)
[05:35] <arf`> yeeapah
[05:36] <minghua> arf`: I didn't blame you. :-)  I searched this way because I remember seeing this discussion on debian-boot list
[05:36] <arf`> :)
[05:36] <arf`> thousand kiss for freeing me
[05:38] <arf`> ok, I'm going to let you to better matter, thanks ! Lights on you :)
[06:11] <pygi> yay :)
[06:13] <iwj> Oops, it seems I forgot to set myself away before departing.
[06:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:18] <cjwatson> Keybuk: are the sync ponies fed and watered?
[06:19] <highvoltage> :)
[06:20] <poningru> anyone know how I can listen to the speeches?
[06:21] <bmonty> poningru: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[06:21] <highvoltage> strange. when don't remember making that smiley face.
[06:21] <Keybuk> cjwatson: they are champing at their bits
[06:22] <Keybuk> cjwatson: has a rubber duck been taken to feisty?
[06:22] <highvoltage> cjwatson: are you busy? I'd like to ask your opinion on something
[06:22] <infinity> Ooo, someone opened feisty while I was travelling and/or sleeping.
[06:22] <infinity> Yay.
[06:22] <cjwatson> Keybuk: apparently
[06:22] <pitti> yay
[06:22] <cjwatson> highvoltage: in the opening session at UDS
[06:22] <Keybuk> Ok, SYNCING NOW!
[06:22] <cjwatson> highvoltage: feel free to ask and I'll respond when I can
[06:24] <highvoltage> cjwatson: ok. I asked ogra and he said I should ask you/Kamion instead. I work on an edubuntu derivative, and some local people weren't happy at the idea that we use the live cd infrastructure, since it make the minimal requirements much higher, haveing to run a desktop and an installer
[06:24] <pitti> ouch, someone forgot to apply the quiescing flag for the langpacks
[06:24] <cjwatson> highvoltage: you can always just base on the alternate install CD instead
[06:24] <highvoltage> cjwatson: so I wrote a little python script with a glade interface that lets the user choose between the live cd session, and the installer, which means that they don't have to log in to gnome to start ubiquity
[06:25] <highvoltage> cjwatson: crude screenshot: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/dvd
[06:25] <highvoltage> cjwatson: my question is, do you think it might be likely that something like that could make it into ubuntu if it's nicely polished up?
[06:25] <cjwatson> highvoltage: neat, but shouldn't it be integrated into the gdm login screen instead?
[06:25] <highvoltage> you can use ubiquity without an x-session-manager on a pc with 128MB quite comfortably
[06:26] <cjwatson> if it were in gdm, we could easily just turn off autologin on the live CD
[06:26] <highvoltage> cjwatson: that might be a better option, then the user could choose there. strange that I didn't consider that :) at least this method gives them a nice interface.
[06:26] <highvoltage> cjwatson: that's actually a brilliant idea, I think I'll investigate that
[06:26] <cjwatson> cool
[06:27] <highvoltage> cjwatson: thank you for your time and willingness to share your wisdom
[06:33] <BlackSkad> #ubuntu-motu
[06:38] <ogra> Seveas, what was the name of the conf channel ?
[06:38] <Seveas> #udsmtv
[06:38] <ogra> ah, thx
[06:38] <Seveas> I just poked freenode staff, they won't be blocking us
[06:38] <ogra> great, ta
[06:40] <sivang> hmm, I wonder if someone could tell keybuk to talk a little bit slower ;)
[06:41] <Keybuk> sivang: I never talk slowly :p
[06:41] <lifeless> Keybuk: ^
[06:42] <sivang> Keybuk: true, but it was easier for me to understand as a non native when I was able to read your lips :-p
[07:15] <siretart> what time is it in mountain view currently?
[07:16] <Spads> Sun Nov  5 10:16:11 PST 2006
[07:16] <Spads> at the shell you can type "TZ=US/Pacific date"
[07:17] <siretart> thanks!
[07:18] <Whoopie> doko: we solved the issue with the python-httplib2 package by adding XB-Python-Version. But I thought it's not needed for python-support.
[08:54] <infinity> pitti: gnome-mount going to universe for now?
[11:24] <lifeless> fabbione: http://www.bononia.it/~zack/blog//posts/versioning_etc_w_bzr.html
[11:25] <fabbione> lifeless: yeah the same i did ask ages ago
[11:25] <lifeless> fabbione: done for you now :)
[11:25] <fabbione> lifeless: slacker
[11:26] <lifeless> pffft, I did describe the solution for you ;)
[11:27] <fabbione> lifeless: we knew the solution.. we needed the code :)
[11:27] <lifeless> Riddell: is the source for hwdb-client in bzr ? If not, is the edgy client the current HEAD I should import
[11:28] <Riddell> lifeless: yes
[11:28] <lifeless> to which ?!
[11:29] <Riddell> lifeless: see launchpad/products/hwdb I think
[11:32] <tmarble> mdz: will you prepare schedules for the entire week, or simply for each day at a time?
[11:33] <mdz> tmarble: the latter
[11:34] <tmarble> mdz: ok, thanks
[11:34] <lifeless> Riddell: no bzr souce listed.
[11:34] <lifeless> Riddell: I can upload the current package as a bzr branch if you like
[11:37] <Riddell> lifeless: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/hwdb/
[11:38] <Riddell> it's not on the supermirror I forgot
[11:38] <lifeless> Riddell: bzr register-branch!
[11:38] <Riddell> lifeless: go ahead :)
[11:38] <lifeless> Riddell: its a bzr command, one you can run :)
[11:39] <cjwatson> tmarble: (you can't tell what needs to be scheduled for more discussion until you've held the first round of discussion)
[11:41] <tmarble> cjwatson: thanks... yes we've had several people that have signed up as Essential w/incorrect attendance times --  trying to unwind that now
[11:41] <sladen> mdz: are you basically going to process the specs in order of priority from the top?
[11:42] <sladen> mdz: it would be useful to have a vague idea when (if) certain BoFs are going to be scheduled or skipped (even if they're subject to change)
[11:43] <stgraber> mdz: Is that possible to generate the schedule for everyone who subscribed to at least one BOF and not only the ones who are at MountainView ? (for VOIP people)
[11:44] <lifeless> Riddell: uhm, why are the man pages in debian/ ?
[11:45] <Riddell> lifeless: it was like that when i found it, ask ogra
[11:45] <lifeless> ok, so fine to fix :)
[11:49] <lifeless> Riddell: I'm renaming the product to hwdb-client ok? (to match the source package)
[11:50] <lifeless> Riddell: its currently hwdb-gui, which makes no sense at all
[11:50] <lifeless> ogra_: ^
[11:50] <cjwatson> sladen: the scheduler works in order of priority, so low and undefined ones will only be scheduled if the scheduler runs out of things to do
[11:51] <Riddell> lifeless: that's the gtk version, I guess ogra started with the server and named the gui as something else
[11:51] <lifeless> Riddell: nope its all
[11:51] <lifeless> all the client side stuff I mean
[11:51] <Riddell> lifeless: the kde part is hwdb-kde
[11:52] <lifeless> no, same source package
[11:52] <lifeless> same source == same product
[11:52] <Riddell> oh, I see
[11:52] <lifeless> apt-cache show hwdb-client-kde -> source: hwdb-client
[11:53] <lifeless> so the lp product should be either hwdb, or hwdb-client, not hwdb-gui.
[11:54] <Riddell> Reistrant Andrey Nauman
[11:54] <Riddell> no idea who he is
[11:55] <lifeless> thats fixable. let me:)
[11:55] <lifeless> ubuntu-core-dev ?
[11:55] <Riddell> yep
[11:55] <lifeless> done
[11:55] <lifeless> hmm, should use malone
[11:56] <lifeless> and will need rosetta eventually.
[11:56] <Riddell> now actually
[11:56] <Riddell> since the KDE version has translations
[11:56] <lifeless> is your branch the most active one?  or shoud I setup a shared team branch ?
[11:56] <lifeless> hmm, actually, I'm not in -core-dev, so you can push up a team shared branch
[11:57] <Riddell> lifeless: yes, my branch is up to date with the edgy package
[11:57] <lifeless> ok, enabled for rosetta.
[11:57] <lifeless> you can upload the pot anytime ;)
[12:00] <Riddell> lifeless: well it's already translated in rosetta as part of ubuntu, I'm not sure there's a point in having it possible to translate elsewhere
[12:04] <lifeless> Riddell: well talk with Carlos.
[12:04] <lifeless> Riddell: one reason to have separate translations is to have new versions translated: rosettas translation focus for ubuntu is dapper.
[12:04] <carlos> Riddell: what lifeless said
[12:06] <Riddell> ok


[15:26] <wrsuser> m4t, except the server ISO's are now only the live server (also subiquity) and install crap like cloud-init
[15:26] <m4t> hmm i thought there is a minimal server
[15:26] <wrsuser> not any more
[15:27] <wrsuser> there was legacy server, alternate install and mini.iso - all either now unsupported, not built any more, or considered legacy
[15:27] <m4t> maybe it's this https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[15:27] <wrsuser> it's live server ISO or nothing now
[15:27] <m4t> eh
[15:27] <m4t> yeah damn
[15:27] <m4t> i think last full install i did was 18.04
[15:29] <wrsuser> tbh I'd love it if the Ubuntu MATE team could share the full instructions of how they put together the ISO CD (and the image that it deploys), maybe Wimpy has that?
[15:29] <wrsuser> so that I could make a new distro... Ubuntu Nothing
[15:29] <wrsuser> you get... literally nothing, but the base system :)
[15:29] <m4t> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510
[15:29] <m4t> sad
[15:30] <wrsuser> yeah I've read all that
[15:30] <m4t> you have to download the entire iso to ram now? haha
[15:30] <wrsuser> yeah it's really stupid
[15:30] <m4t> anyways sorry for misleading
[15:51] <alkisg> wrsuser: the flavors provide "seed" files and the isos are built on launchpad, not in local pcs: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu-mate.focal/desktop
[15:53] <alkisg> I haven't seen the recent ubuntu-server evolutions; but I guess `debootstrap + apt install ubuntu-minimal` should still be there :D
[15:53] <wrsuser> alkisg, so using that same file could I edit out something (e.g. evolution) and re-send it to launchpad and get an ISO without that included?
[15:54] <alkisg> wrsuser: no, that process is reserved for flavors afaik
[15:54] <alkisg> The software for that though should be open source, maybe livecd-builder or something
[15:54] <wrsuser> alkisg, sure but debootstrap is a massive pain getting something else to boot live in the meantime... then setting up things like network connections manually, hostnames, other random things like detecting if firmware is needed, intel microcode, etc...
[15:54] <alkisg> I've seen it years ago, I don't even remember the name anymore
[15:55] <alkisg> You mean preseeding? I guess you could run debian-installer from a minimal live system, and netbooting isn't really hard
[15:55] <alkisg> Maybe you could also use ansible if you don't want cloud-init
[15:55]  * alkisg is netbooting all the clients from the same image, always, so has no need for separate configurations :D
[15:56] <wrsuser> this isn't for servers
[15:56] <wrsuser> (as I'd use Debian for that anyway... and they have the netinst ISO which is great :P)
[15:56] <alkisg> You want a desktop environment?
[15:56] <wrsuser> this is about needing a minimal ubuntu install to build up one-off desktops from
[15:56] <wrsuser> and ubuntu-live-server ISO as a base... is poop
[15:57] <alkisg> Last time I started from ubuntu-server.iso I installed network-manager, uninstalled netplan... and spent 3 hours to find out that I need to reinstall netplan to get network-manager working :D
[15:57] <wrsuser> EXACTLY!
[15:58] <wrsuser> I forgot about netplan
[15:58] <alkisg> Indeed new trends come with shortcomings
[15:58] <wrsuser> mini.iso / legacy-server/ alternate-installer ... all 3 are now either no longer built or otherwise discontinued or considered legacy either for 20.04 or future versions
[15:58] <wrsuser> so that's why I'd love to make a new Ubuntu flavour... Ubuntu Nothing
[15:58] <alkisg> Devuan is "debian without systemd"... I guess we'd want an "ubuntu with only packages that also exist on debian" :P
[15:59] <wrsuser> even if 'Ubuntu Nothing' used subiquity-crap... at least you'd get NOTHING :P
[15:59] <wrsuser> yeah! I want a Ubuntu ISO install CD that just gives me the base packages I get with a Debian netinst
[15:59] <wrsuser> and that certainly excludes snapd :P
[16:00] <alkisg> Unfortunately, when the new packages get integrated too much, you wouldn't even be able to create such an .iso due to dependencies
[16:00] <alkisg> And I suspect they force flavors to add snapd, in order to promote it
[16:00] <alkisg> All the flavors have it preinstalled, even if it has zero or a couple of snap packages only
[16:00] <wrsuser> well surely snapd is inside the image that subiquity copies over right?   what generates that image?  a debootstrap process?
[16:01] <wrsuser> because if so ... just don't install snapd :P
[16:01] <alkisg> You could certainly do that, but you'd have to spend a lot of time maintaining it, and I doubt it would ever be accepted as an official flavor
[16:01] <wrsuser> I'd relish in Canonical's hatred of it :)
[16:02] <alkisg> You can do it with many many ways. But I don't think an official flavor is allowed to remove snap
[16:02] <alkisg> It's not a technical issue, it's a political issue
[16:03] <wrsuser> that's fine - I like the idea of it being an outlaw :P
[16:04] <alkisg> gnome vs unity, upstart vs systemd etc etc; now it's the war of flatpak vs snap vs appimage etc, companies do need to push their products
[16:04] <wrsuser> if anyone would like to furnish me with the exact details of how current official flavour ISO's are made (so that in future, it's easy to keep up)... I'm just seeking to have one that installs LESS... much less :)
[16:04] <wrsuser> (and I mean step by step if possible :P)
[16:08] <alkisg> I think that if you try to create it with the "official method", then you'll also end up patching the build code itself
[16:08] <alkisg> It should be much easier to unpack an iso, remove what you don't want, then repack it
[16:09] <wrsuser> that still means either making a new image or manipulating the existing one
[16:09] <wrsuser> preferably the former as I hate removing things after they're already installed
[16:09] <wrsuser> i'm paranoid they leave stuff behind


[12:45] <tsmithe> but i won't - so ignore me
[12:48] <popey> heh
[12:49] <popey> moo
[12:49] <tsmithe> *scowl*
[12:49] <tsmithe> (/me wants unmuting)
[12:50] <tsmithe> it's ok - it happened!
[12:50] <popey> are you in enough channels :)
[12:50] <popey> heh, i used to be in ##windows, got tired of the trolls though
[12:53] <tsmithe> popey, i didn't mean to be in ##windows
[12:53] <popey> yeah yeah ;)
[12:53] <popey> reactos too eh?
[12:53] <PriceChild> forwarded?
[12:53] <tsmithe> yup
[12:53] <tsmithe> reactos is interesting
[12:53] <tsmithe> but i've had less and less time for it recently
[12:53] <popey> "interesting"
[12:53] <tsmithe> well, yeah
[12:53] <popey> i saw the talk at fosdem the other week
[12:54] <popey> the guy was the best dressed man at fosdem
[12:54] <popey> really nice guy, quite passionate about reactos
[12:54] <popey> still, I have yet to find anyone who has a use for it, or can think of one
[12:55] <popey> aaanyway
[12:55] <mc44> popey: the creepy guy did it
[12:55] <popey> :)
[12:55] <popey> damnit!

[12:56] <tsmithe> cool
[12:56] <tsmithe> i'm sure you can imagine why i'm in the rest of the channels ;)
[01:27] <Amaranth> Seveas: can you put Ubugtu in #ubuntu-effects ?
[03:11] <PriceChild> Strange people in #ubuntu ......
[03:12] <nalioth> PriceChild: you have the conn
[03:13] <PriceChild> Lol
[03:13] <nalioth> who needs /action?
[03:13] <nalioth> i've not been watching
[03:13] <PriceChild> No-one yet...
[03:13] <PriceChild> con-man's being a bit odd...
[03:13] <PriceChild> messign with the bot...
[03:14] <PriceChild> hehe yeah and that guy
[03:14] <nalioth> you're sitting there . . .
[03:14] <nalioth> had your chance
[03:14] <PriceChild> ?  In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 88 kB
[06:10] <nixternal> none of that works
[06:11] <nalioth> let me see about it
[06:14] <nalioth> nixternal: i have no clue what happend
[06:14] <nalioth> i just host the bot, i'm not a bot mechanic
[06:15] <nalioth> poke apokryphos when he arrives
[06:15] <nalioth> he's got the keys to ubot3
[06:21] <nixternal> hehe
[06:21] <nixternal> roger
[06:26] <elkbuntu> @schedule sydney
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 09 Mar 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 21:00: LoCo Team | 13 Mar 05:00: Derivative Team | 14 Mar 03:00: Forum Council | 14 Mar 07:00: Technical Board | 15 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu
[06:53] <nixternal> is there an easy way to check to see who is apart of the kops call w/o calling it and disturbing the piece?
[06:53] <Mez|OnAir> msg ubotu !ops-#kubuntu
[06:53] <jenda> it's nixternal! :)
[06:53] <nixternal> rock on Mez|OnAir
[06:53] <nixternal> where?
[06:54] <Mez|OnAir> nixternal I am doing
[06:54] <nixternal> hehe
[06:54] <nixternal> on air?
[06:54] <nixternal> I wanna listen?
[06:54] <Mez|OnAir> nixternal http://www.gamerpowered.com/listen.pls
[06:54] <nixternal> can I open that with Amarok?
[06:54] <Mez|OnAir> yes
[06:55] <nixternal> no suitable demux plugin
[06:55] <nixternal> what are you running there
[06:55] <Mez|OnAir> mp3
[06:55] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:56] <nixternal> so that means I have to install that closed source stuff :)
[06:56] <nixternal> hrmm, ok, installed and still saying the same thing
[06:57] <mneptok> nixternal: Fluendo has a legally licensed codec for Linux users
[06:57] <nixternal> there we go
[06:57] <nixternal> ya, that is what I am using is fluendo
[06:57] <nixternal> Mez|OnAir: tell um nixternal rocks!
[06:59] <Mez|OnAir> nixternal it working now then ?
[06:59] <nixternal> yup
[06:59] <nixternal> commercial
[06:59] <nixternal> great song!
[07:53] <Mez|OnAir> o_O
[07:53] <kgoetz> :S
[07:53] <Mez|OnAir> anything interesting?
[07:54] <mneptok> hmmm ... why does this version of The Long Pointy Stick Of DOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!! (tm) have a battery compartment?
[07:54] <kgoetz> :|
[07:54] <mneptok> *shrug*
[07:54] <Mez|OnAir> *giggles*
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> . . . .
[07:54] <mneptok> !lart 37 mneptok
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart 37 mneptok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <mneptok> @lart 37 mneptok
[07:54] <mneptok> there ya go
[07:55] <mneptok> and if it's a photo you want, and we're discussing Hobbsee, here's me in the outfit i wore when she hired me as her gigolo.
[07:55] <mneptok> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok/mnepolo.png
[07:56] <mneptok> s   u   a   v   e
[07:56] <Madpilot> AH! My eyes, they burn!!!
[07:56] <Madpilot> now we've got a URL to link to lart 37, I guess.  GO!
[10:24] <Seveas> @join #ubuntu-effects
[10:25] <mneptok> Seveas: did you see my PM yesterday?
[10:26] <Seveas> yes
[10:26] <mneptok> k
[10:26] <mneptok> just curious. no rush.
[10:27] <nalioth> hi Seveas how's tricks?
[10:27] <Seveas> just woke up :)
[10:27] <Seveas> @now Amsterdam
[10:27] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: March 08 2007, 10:27:53 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 6 hours 32 minutes
[10:28] <mneptok> @weather Montreal
[10:29] <mneptok> pffft
[10:29] <Mez|OnAir> @weather Birmingham
[10:30] <Mez|OnAir> morning apokryphos
[10:30] <Mez|OnAir> morning apokryphos-
[10:30] <apokryphos-> hey
[10:31] <mneptok> apokryphos-: please do not connect to IRC until your morning erection is gone. i *really* don't need to see that - sticking off you.
[10:31] <mneptok> >:)
[10:34] <apokryphos-> :O
[10:34] <mneptok> ready for some hot gigolo love?
[10:34] <mneptok> http://people.ubuntu.com/~meptok/mnepolo.png
[10:34] <apokryphos-> not found ;)
[10:34] <mneptok> i wore the clothes you sent over. i hope you like them.
[10:34] <mneptok> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok/mnepolo.png
[10:34] <apokryphos-> haha
[10:34] <apokryphos-> Rico Suave
[10:34] <mneptok> *smooch*
[10:35] <mneptok> i like having friends in theater costume shops. ;)
[10:35] <apokryphos-> =)
[10:35] <mneptok> @lart 37 apokryphos-
[10:36] <mneptok> too late.
[10:36] <apokryphos-> hehe
[10:37] <Mez|OnAir> only 2 and a half hours left on air
[10:41] <apokryphos-> hah
[11:02] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, woo, you on again :-)
[11:03] <GazzaK> mneptok, is that you?
[11:05] <mneptok> yep
[11:05] <GazzaK> are you blind :p
[11:06] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK for another hour, ues
[11:06] <GazzaK> mneptok, did you go shopping in a charity shop?
[11:11] <mneptok> GazzaK: photo from a c1995 play day at a uni theater costume shop. same day as my LP picture.
[11:11] <GazzaK> I suppose it is a good picture for scaring small children and women....
[11:12] <GazzaK> go find moon chavs - thats better
[11:13] <GazzaK> mc44, http://www.gamerpowered.com/listen.pls
[11:16] <nalioth> vlc has no module for that
[11:16] <nalioth> wonder if itunes does
[11:17] <Mez|OnAir> nalioth vlc should play that stream
[11:17] <mc44> yeah does for me
[11:18] <Seveas> rhythmbox plays it as well
[11:18] <nalioth> it errors
[11:18] <mc44> although what its playing isnt worth the effort :p
[11:18] <GazzaK> yeah
[11:18] <GazzaK> hehe
[11:18] <Seveas> metallica is nice
[11:18] <mneptok> FOR ME TO POOP ON!
[11:19] <Mez|OnAir> :D
[11:19] <Seveas> @lart mneptok
[11:19] <nalioth> itunes does nothing.
[11:19] <nalioth> no error msgs, no music
[11:19] <nalioth> nothing.
[11:20] <nalioth> are you sure that is the correct URL, GazzaK ?
[11:20] <Seveas> nalioth, WFM
[11:20] <nalioth> WFM?
[11:20] <Seveas> works for me
[11:20] <nalioth> right
[11:20] <GazzaK> nalioth, it's the one I'm listening to right now, so I do hope so
[11:20] <nalioth> doesn't work on OSX at all
[11:20] <Mez|OnAir> :)
[11:20] <Seveas> it's playing ACDC now
[11:20] <mc44> firewall?
[11:20] <nalioth> and i have no multimedia on any other box
[11:20] <nalioth> mc44: puhlease, i run UNIX HERE
[11:21] <mc44> pffft OSX
[11:21] <nalioth> i haven't run a firewall since 1997
[11:22] <mneptok> nalioth: can you curl it?
[11:22] <GazzaK> still talking about poop mneptok ?
[11:22] <mneptok> GazzaK: nope. haven't thought of you in ~15 minutes.
[11:23] <nalioth> i don't need to listen to it
[11:28] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, -ETOOMUCHINFO
[11:28] <mc44> haha
[11:28] <Seveas> We don't need to know you're a barenaked lady
[11:29] <GazzaK> have you got a new mic Mez|OnAir ?  it's better today, i'm sure of it
[11:29] <mneptok> we just need to know what route you take home from the shops, and good hiding places.
[11:29] <nalioth> Mez|OnAir: slow down, you're breathing too hard
[11:30] <nalioth> Mez|OnAir: quit trying to eat the microphone
[11:30] <mc44> thats some ratings
[11:31] <GazzaK> chomp chomp chomp, is it tasty ?
[11:31] <nalioth> Mez|OnAir: play music
[11:31] <nalioth> Mez|OnAir: stop talking
[11:31] <GazzaK> nalioth, got it working then :-)
[11:31] <nalioth> as i said, i really didn't need to hear it
[11:32] <nalioth> all it is is some hot air powered station
[11:32] <mc44> nalioth: he cant just do what everyone listening him says you know, theres 15 whole people listening
[11:32] <nalioth> yak yak yak yak
[12:15] <GazzaK> ahh, there is decent music now :-)
[12:15] <GazzaK> oh hi Mez
[01:16] <apokryphos> nalioth: back now
[04:42] <effie_jayx> jenda,  are you around?
[04:43] <effie_jayx> there is a situacion with a perosn and I wanted to check if there is something wrong with him at server level
[04:43] <effie_jayx> i just unbanned this guy and the bann came uo again like this
[04:43] <effie_jayx> * irc.freenode.net veta a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:43] <effie_jayx> * irc.freenode.net veta a mannyto!*@*
[04:45] <apokryphos> what does veta a mean?
[04:45] <apokryphos> oh, yeah. That sounds like a server hiccup. Just remove it again
[04:46] <apokryphos> has happened to me only a couple of times; pretty rare
[04:47] <effie_jayx> apokryphos,  bans in spanish
[04:47] <effie_jayx> thanks
[05:48] <Seveas> @mjg
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Matthew Garrett was the star of the famous "just because the lady loves..." series of Cadbury's adverts.
[05:48] <Seveas> @mjg59
[05:48] <Ubugtu> According to the Hokey-Cokey, Matthew Garrett is what it is all about.
[05:48] <Seveas> @mjg59
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Matthew Garrett and Alan Cox have never been seen in the same room at the same time.
[05:48] <Seveas> ;)
[06:01] <gnomefreak> bug 75681
[06:01] <gnomefreak> Seveas: is ubugtu down?
[06:01] <Seveas> no
[06:01] <Seveas> launchpad is
[06:01] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:03] <mc44> Seveas: an mjg59 plugin? oh deary me
[06:03] <Seveas> mc44, there also is an @vmj59
[06:03] <mc44> @vmj59
[06:04] <mc44> lies! :)
[06:04] <Seveas> but that has some CoC problems so only available in -bots :)
[06:04] <mc44> haha
[09:38] <emet> router works
[09:38] <PriceChild> emet, You want a test?
[09:38] <emet> yes
[09:39] <PriceChild> I can't unban, but if you join #emet I can test you if no other ops appear :)
[09:41] <PriceChild> emet has fixed and is ready for his forward to be removed :)
[09:41] <Seveas> PriceChild, both issues fixed
[10:45] <ubotu> In ubotu, utet1432 said: what is a bot?
[11:39] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, Pricey said: !upgrades is <alias> upgrade
[11:39] <Pricey> bah
[11:39] <Pricey> @login
[11:40] <Pricey> !login
[11:40] <ubotu> login: system login tools. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.16-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2776 kB
[11:42] <Seveas> PriceChild, %login
[11:42] <Seveas> :)
[11:43] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[11:44] <Pricey> %login
[11:44] <Pricey> %whoami
[11:44] <ubotu> pricey
[11:44] <PriceChild> :)
[11:44] <Seveas> %whoareyou
[11:45] <PriceChild> I made that last comment on lp before you explained to me the real problem on irc.
[11:45] <Seveas> I added a note to that bug today as a reminder to myself
[11:45] <Seveas> that i should  fix that
[11:46] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[11:47] <apokryphos> beuno_: /cs access #ubuntu-marketing list
[11:50] <beuno_> thanks Seveas  :D
[11:51] <Seveas> de nada
[12:25] <vajk> hi all
[12:25] <nalioth> hi


[04:14] <Fezzler> SWAT keeps asking for Authentification Required?
[07:51] <dholbach> hiya... is there anybody who knows about packaging 'web applications'?
[07:52] <dholbach> I have somebody who's interested in getting involved there
[08:16] <Pumpernickel> That sounds all kinds of complicated, if you're thinking of more than a source tarball.
[08:17] <dholbach> most 'web apps' come in a tarball, but need not just installation to some random place, but also integration, which is more tricky
[08:17] <dholbach> I never touched any of those packages at all, so I don't know - but as I said, there's somebody who'd be interested in helping out there - I'm not sure where to point him
[08:19] <Pumpernickel> The customization might work out if there was a decent script asking where various components should go.
[08:20] <dholbach> might be... I'm just no expert when it comes to this, so I pointed him to the ubuntu-server@ list
[08:21] <shawarma> dholbach: The ampache guy?
[08:21] <dholbach> Charlie Smotherman
[08:22] <dholbach> not sure if that's the ampache guy
[08:22] <dholbach> it'd be nice to have at least a list of packages that are good examples of how to get it done
[08:22] <dholbach> I hope I can get him involved there
[08:22] <shawarma> Funny, I was going to redirect him to #ubuntu-motu. :)
[08:23] <dholbach> we have nobody who maintains such packages in a dedicated way
[08:24] <shawarma> I suppose not. It's a php/mysql kind of thing, iirc?
[08:24] <dholbach> so I thought the server team (who has some kind of interest in that kind of package) might get some efforts started to have maybe a set of wiki pages that explain something *shrug*
[08:24] <dholbach> I suppose, yes
[08:24] <shawarma> Good idea.
[08:25] <shawarma> I'll probably send him an e-mail later today when I'm rested.
[08:25] <dholbach> take your time!
[08:45] <shawarma> dholbach: :)
[05:07] <jtole_> I know this probably isn't too server specific but can anyone tell me what command I use to see what packages I have installed
[05:07] <jtole_> ?
[05:14] <disposable> i'm trying to enable https on my apache2.2.3. I followed help.ubuntu.com but when i did the final restart of the server, i got: Syntax error on line 7 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default  SSLOptions: Illegal option 'CompatEnvVars'   What do i need to do?
[05:22] <mralphabet> you may want to try #apache
[09:45] <mh_le> hi how can I check if I'm using the *-server kernel?
[09:46] <danp> uname -a
[09:46] <danp> uname -r specifically
[09:47] <foo> Hm, if a system is pushing 10mbit, and it's capped 10mbit on the switch (or some other hardware), some traffic will be lost, right?
[09:48] <danp> depending on how the capping is happening, the TCP stack on the system doing the traffic should slow things down
[09:49] <mralphabet> switch will throw packets away
[09:49] <mh_le> danp: it seems I'm using 2.6.20-15-386... how can I change it to -server?
[09:50] <foo> danp / mralphabet: hmm, I see. So, it really depends on the capping, huh?
[09:51] <mralphabet> well, what happens when the switch throws packets away is the tcp connection on the other end says "hey, I didn't get packet<PHONE_NUMBER>9, lets re request that" and sends a packet back asking for a resend
[09:51] <mralphabet> which only adds to the problem
[09:51] <foo> hmm, I see.
[09:52] <danp> they'll figure it out
[09:52] <danp> mh_le: apt-get install linux-image-server maybe
[09:52] <mralphabet> IF the application you are using is tcp, if udp then there isn't a re request process
[09:52] <mh_le> danp: thanks
[09:52] <foo> mralphabet: right, right. HTTP = TCP, no?
[09:52] <mralphabet> udp just ignores the missing packets
[09:53] <foo> mralphabet: Great, thank you!
[09:53] <mh_le> danp: it's set to manual install
[09:56] <danp> foo: might check this out: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsp/article.php/3595616
[09:58] <foo> danp: thanks!


[16:46] <highvoltage> that's weird. my rsync turned my edubuntu isos into 2 symlinks that says
[16:46] <highvoltage> ../20130402.1/raring-dvd-amd64.iso and ../20130402.1/raring-dvd-i386.iso
[16:46]  * highvoltage restores and syncs again