 @drym4rch0n [Speaking of which, I just ordered what I thought was a Nexus 5 and when I got th …], Totally new to this community, and the telegram channel. This post made me realize that I just did the exact same about an hour ago lol. Bought a used nexus 5x, excitedly, thinking it was a nexus 5.
 @trocknet_banan [Totally new to this community, and the telegram channel. This post made me reali …], lol, well at least I'm not the only one
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone in the USA saga continues:  went to my local AT&T store where on …], it wont have the right bands for tmobile
 Yeah, I think it needs 1700
 @mateosalta [it wont have the right bands for tmobile], Volla with UT on T-mobile: phone calls currently working and clear; data limited to 2G … Volla with UT on AT&T: phone calls not able to be sent; data all good at 4G/LTE.
 I'm just ordering the f(x)tec Pro X
 @TotalSonic [I am getting clear phone calls with T-mobile on the Volla Phone - but how long t …], im wondering if they are dropping 2g maube just 3g?- the news was that it would be gone on the 29th - but im still able to text
 @UniversalSuperBox [... wait no it doesn't], Oof
 I'm waiting on a pinephone myself
 @mateosalta [im wondering if they are dropping 2g maube just 3g?- the news was that it would …], I don't think they are doing a "cold" shutdown, likely there is potential corporate liability if Emergency calls don't get through from a non-transitioned shutdown - and 2G does not take up much data traffic relative to 3G - so probably the
[01:10] <ubptgbot> y are keeping the 2G going for a little bit.
 @TotalSonic [Volla with UT on T-mobile: phone calls currently working and clear; data limited …], same, i will have to test my att though - it did require manual configuration on my sony, and they need imei entered online
 I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], Right?
 if it got 4g, that would be awesome
 @mateosalta [same, i will have to test my att though - it did require manual configuration on …], hmmm, if you can let me know what settings you used so I can test again would be great.  Otherwise - seems I need to flash to Volla OS and change my plan to AT&T if I want to actually use it as a daily driver for the present time.
 cool, will try it
 @mateosalta [if it got 4g, that would be awesome], I went into an AT&T store today with my Volla and they let me try one of their SIMS - it got fast LTE from the get go - but could not place a phone call.  Meanwhile - I can still place and receive phone calls on the road with my current T-mobile account.
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], We do exist!!
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], Raises hand (but has only ever actually used a smartphone in America once in the past decade, and also once in his lifetime)
 Besides the carrier dilemma, and the minor notch indicator wonkiness (partly fixed with a few terminal commands) -  have to say UT on the Volla is a super pleasure to use.
 @dohbee [Yeah, I think it needs 1700], Then this is encouraging:
 https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/telus-canada
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol
 I don't mess with Texas and Texas leaves me alone
 lol
 @TotalSonic [Besides the carrier dilemma, and the minor notch indicator wonkiness (partly fix …], what are you doing with the notch
 @drym4rch0n [And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol], Differences:  Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!"  — Person insults Florida -> Floridians: "lol, and that's not even the worse, here check this out, you're not going to believe this...."
 @TartanSpartan [https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/telus-canada], I think not
 Why not?
 @mateosalta [what are you doing with the notch], There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-notch-hax … Simply run the script in this repo as the phablet user: … `wget -O apply-notch-hax.sh https://git.io/JtIpG … chmod +x apply-notch-hax.sh … ./apply-notch-hax.sh`
 @TotalSonic [Differences:  Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!"  — Person insults Flor …], lol
 @TartanSpartan [Why not?], Villa doesn't do 1700
 i was trying to hack the qml, make the bar go down a bit further to line up with the notch
 @mateosalta [what are you doing with the notch], [Edit] There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-notch-hax … Simply run the script in this repo as the phablet user: … `wget -O apply-notch-hax.sh https://git.io/JtIpG` … `chmod +x apply-notch-hax.sh` … `./apply-notch-hax.sh`
 @TotalSonic [There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-n …], ooo, cool
 True, but it does 2100, 2600, and 850.
 @dohbee [Villa doesn't do 1700], Volla does 2100, which is not reliably distributed (T-mobile uses 2100 a little bit, but I am not getting it here).  Volla also uses 850 (which is what AT&T uses)
 @drym4rch0n [And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol], [Edit] Differences:  Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!"  — Person insults Florida -> Floridians: "lol, and that's not even the worst, here check this out, you're not going to believe this...."
 (Photo, 369x800) https://irc.ubports.com/JgM5aBri.png Something occurred to me looking at this view for notched phones.
 We have the mobile signal, wifi, volume, battery and time indicators to the right of the notch.
[01:26] <ubptgbot> AbuMubarak1378 was added by: AbuMubarak1378
 But what happens when you use UTTT to put a battery percentage next to it's indicator (as I find essential to do)?
 Or use a mobile hotspot? Or have two SIMs? Or all three of these together?
 that needs work
 the idea is to have a kind of word wrap spacer somehow
 I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one that wishes the apps back button was reachable with the right hand thumb instead of the top left corner for easier single handed use?
 push ones that are underneath the notch to the other side, it would be complicated
 (Photo, 369x800) https://irc.ubports.com/w6gM9H5H.png Right, because I guess the inference from this "before patch" screenshot is that using two SIMs will cause one's signal strength to be obscured under the notch.
 oh, i also like turning the indicator pannel black it blends with the notch and corners nicely
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/WNgHu0p0.png
 Current view with the Volla
 How much difference is between android and ubuntu touch in terms of battery life. Pls some one answer
 @mateosalta [oh, i also like turning the indicator pannel black it blends with the notch and …], Isn't this done by default?
 Whoops - the screenshot doesn't show the notch - doh!
 ^Yeah that threw me for a sec :P
 @TartanSpartan [Isn't this done by default?], systems color is dark grey
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], Looking good
 Ahhh.
 Gotcha.
 What's the max number of apps we can pin to the launcher these days?
[01:38] <ubptgbot> GusTavo was added by: GusTavo
 @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], is hard to make a universal back button
 i was thinking we could change the qml on the theme level for uuitk apps - but for everything else it is up to the app
 @TotalSonic [Volla does 2100, which is not reliably distributed (T-mobile uses 2100 a little …], But I think both are required
 @TartanSpartan [What's the max number of apps we can pin to the launcher these days?], There us no max?
 Well, I guess however much RAM you have
 i suppose if it gets slow or crashes lomiri on boot you reached the max ;p
 I thought testing it a couple of years ago it capped out at 10 or 12. That, and/or opening other apps which weren't pinned could mess with those intended to be pinned.
 works fine here
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/PTaQijb0.png
 over 20 its fine
 @TartanSpartan [I thought testing it a couple of years ago it capped out at 10 or 12. That, and/ …], It's scrollable
 I guess I'll have to boost my number of pins when my Volla finally arrives! Anticipation is exponential.
 @TotalSonic try out the youtube app, I did some changes for volla, filling the screen fullscreen, and fullscreen button when taping the fingerprint
 I need to try and center the video, or anchor it to bottom instead though
[01:57] <ubptgbot> InvictusBoom was added by: InvictusBoom
 Here's the Volla where you can see the notch and indicator margin fix
 (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/0CBFmNcH.png
 Here's the Volla where you can see the notch and indicator margin fix
 looks good
 That's with battery percentage and Weather Indicator on.
 It obscures the networking indicator.
 [Edit] The notch obscures the Network indicator.
 Pic taken with Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 running UT.  It's UT device insanity over here.
 @mateosalta [@TotalSonic try out the youtube app, I did some changes for volla, filling the s …], yeah - the tapping the finger print scanner to engage full screen (and back off) for YouTube Webapp and Morph browser works great.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/S34vpOfr.png
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LP6vWuFh.png
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kUlVRIDz.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/4Y6ILOm1.webp
 Good photo documentation guys.
[02:35] <ubptgbot> R7 was added by: R7
[03:32] <ubptgbot> Oshinex was added by: Oshinex
 @Yo5eff [<reply to media>], use TELEports or Webtelegram from the store … maybe that's an unmaintained app? … or maybe you're on a pinephone?
 @Yo5eff [<reply to media>], That doesn't look like teleports
 yeah maybe he's using a pinephone … I just checked and webtelegram has issue with the keyboard … I think is because there's a know issue with the pine devices on scaling of qqc2 and qtwebengine
 Hello everyone. Tell me why when I try to write saves to the ril_subscription.conf file from under root in the terminal, the terminal gives me a save error, because the file system is read-only. How can I write the saves to a file?
[04:44] <ubptgbot> yuzhangren2020 was added by: yuzhangren2020
 @Yo5eff [Tried now. It closes by itself after a few minutes 😁], eh?
 @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], its an open problem yeah
 @Javacookies [use TELEports or Webtelegram from the store … maybe that's an unmaintained app? … or …], I was using Telegram Web. Then installed TELEports and it was closing by itself , but now it seems to be holding without closing. It's an Samsung Note 4
 @DennoGram [Hello everyone. Tell me why when I try to write saves to the ril_subscription.co …], hi, please keep in mind that changes to the rootfs will be overwritten on update, with that out of the way you can remount rootfs as rw to test changes directly on the phone
 @mateosalta [That doesn't look like teleports], No, that was Telegram Web
 (Photo, 1280x1198) https://irc.ubports.com/AuTKoPVB.png
 Webtelegram seems to be the most decent web version of telegram in the store. Content hub also works on it though like I mentioned, it has scaling issue on the pinephone
 I'll be testing a lot of stuff for sure - at least the tools i'll be needing. What is the best way to reinstall UT in case something breaks up badly? From recovery?
 as long as you don't modify the rootfs, i don't think you can break it that easily xD
 installer if it's not booting … if you just want to refresh your root, you can switch channels on the device
 or ssh in a system-image-cli it iiuc
 oh yeah, another option
 [Edit] or ssh in a `system-image-cli -b 0 --progress=dots` it iiuc
 and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps shouldn't need such a reset
 @Fuseteam [as long as you don't modify the rootfs, i don't think you can break it that easi …], Yup. Ubuntu is usually strong... On my computers been doing stuff that would make me have to reinstall windows at least a few times... And computers had broke - change disk to another one and still working 😂 … Also was a great thing to install
[05:51] <ubptgbot> on family & friends laptops. Rarely they now need assistance
 [Edit] and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps installs shouldn't need such a reset
 yeah tis great especially if they aren't too dependant on certain software
 @Javacookies [installer if it's not booting … if you just want to refresh your root, you can swi …], UBports installer can handle it without the need to reinstall android first? I only can get connection to PC if i boot in recovery mode...
 yes it can
 @Fuseteam [and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps installs shouldn't need such a re …], I try to avoid doing "dumb things" , but sometimes, specially when going "first steps" to learn how to use, things go wrong... Many years ago, i had to reinstall windows 95 3 times in first month i had first PC... That thing was "fragile" 😂
 one thing i like about ubuntu touch is that the "system files" sizes is guarenteed to not be more than—
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Gd1W9p3R.png
 wait 3.5? eh? o.O
 that doesn't seem right 🤔
 @Fuseteam [hi, please keep in mind that changes to the rootfs will be overwritten on update …], thank you, everything worked out
 Can i use anbox in redmi note 7 aka lavender?
 @Fuseteam [yes it can], Can someone with a Samsung Note 4 tell me if it connects with computer when turned on? Just to make sure it is not just in mine that i have that problem...
 @Fuseteam [one thing i like about ubuntu touch is that the "system files" sizes is guarente …], The calculations are a bit wrong yes ;)
 @TotalSonic [What is ironic is T-mobile is supposedly doing the transition to VoLTE only alre …], According to AT&T, their 3G/2G stays up until Feb 1, 2022 for existing pre-paid customers with a 3G handset. New accounts and Post-paid have been denied or getting kicked off since Jan 19 2021. Anyone not on their whitelist is getting
[07:48] <ubptgbot> kicked off, as is the fate of the pinephone. They have not made it clear if they will allow devices back on as data devices. … Put in an AT&T sim and it will work for a few minutes. Then you'll get a text message saying you do not have a compatible HD Voice device. Access denied, click this link for details... I've gotten it, so have others
 As of this moment, T-mobile's 3G network is still up, with no explanation from T-Mobile. So, yes, it's just speculation, but maybe they blinked
 What a waste of resources. Imagine the pile of electronic garbage being dumped right now
 Tragic waste. I donated my Nexus 5 to another member, and have a box of devices to send to recycling. And a box, of Samsung's I haven't five through yet. All rejects customers didn't want because of this. Mostly, all functional otherwise
 [Edit] Tragic waste. I donated my Nexus 5 to another member, and have a box of devices to send to recycling. And a box, of Samsung's I haven't gone through yet. All rejects customers didn't want because of this. Mostly, all functional otherwise
 We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way around this problem - pretty please @Cibersheep
 Google Voice for web works as an alternative. But you'll only get notifications when the window is open and screen on - no web push for Morph
 I had a good, and cheap,  VoIP solution if linphone was available for 64bit
 https://open-store.io/app/linphone.cibersheep
 VoIP.ms is a good option
 @rocket2nfinity [VoIP.ms is a good option], Thanks for the linkm Yeah - the lack of ringing unless phone is active is a problem, but better than having just a data only device.
 @rocket2nfinity [VoIP.ms is a good option], [Edit] Thanks for the link! Yeah - the lack of ringing unless phone is active is a problem, but better than having just a data only device.
 T-Mobile has clarified that they will let your device stay on as a data only device as long as it can do LTE data. From the complaints online, AT&T likely will not. And no, Cricket won't help. I've seen half a dozen complaints of being cut off with various devices capable of VoLTE but not on the list.
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has clarified that they will let your device stay on as a data only dev …], Well, looks like I need to convert my Volla to Volla OS, and change plans to AT&T, if I want to actually use it as a daily driver, rather than just a tinkerer's device. But UT is really my preferred mobile OS, by far.
 Trying to decide the same with my N6P. I have others for daily drivers. Just would like to totally switch over to UT. I really dislike android 10
 I've had the option to buy a OnePlus6T for a while now, but don't want to take it if the port for it doesn't improve to include network and audio
[09:12] <ubptgbot> Themetaleye was added by: Themetaleye
 Can I ask, since Ubuntu touch is "promoted" as a privacy friendly system. What is the difference between UT and Lineage? (Using encryption, no root, no gms, anti ultrasound bacon, no sensors(software), tor, and FOSS apps without trakers only.....). Does it have any battery usage or privacy or security advantage?
 @Themetaleye [Can I ask, since Ubuntu touch is "promoted" as a privacy friendly system. What i …], Absolutely no data is sent to Google whereas even with ungoogled android it is
 Hello, is there support for VoLTE and VoWiFi for the LGE Nexus 5? Im running ubuntu 16.04
 So basically its lineageos with full linux shell and apps, am I right?
 I hope I'll be able to help soon. This project is like when cm came out, revolutionary
 @TotalSonic [We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way aroun …], Indeed … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/compile-linphone-ubuntu-touch/-/merge_requests/2
 @drym4rch0n [lol, well at least I'm not the only one], seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is this futile and one should rather use it for experimenting with AOSP roms?
[10:35] <ubptgbot> derkotanImigos_oybi was added by: derkotanImigos_oybi
 @hafedh [Hello, is there support for VoLTE and VoWiFi for the LGE Nexus 5? Im running ubu …], No,there is not yet support for those protocols on UT yet,except for devices like the PinePhone, but there are efforts to enable it - although I am fairly  sure the Nexus5 cannot be supported for those.
 @trocknet_banan [seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is t …], Nexus 5x is not supported for UT, only Nexus 5.
 Too bad😢, guess need to find a newer phone that supports UT protocols
 @cibersheep [Indeed … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/compile-linphone-ubuntu-touch/-/merge …], Sorry for my ignorance, are these open issues, or is it possible to build this if one has the ability at this point?
 @TotalSonic [Nexus 5x is not supported for UT, only Nexus 5.], thank you for elaborating! would you know what would happen if I just flashed a nexus 5x with ubports anyhow? I read somewhere that there's a similar problem for the nexus 6P as for the 5x but that 6P does seem to work with ubports meanwhile - is there any hope I could
[10:41] <ubptgbot> still make it work? :D (sorry for the extreme n00b questions)
 @trocknet_banan [thank you for elaborating! would you know what would happen if I just flashed a …], The image for Nexus 5 will NOT work on Nexus 5X - you will be unable to boot an os - they are different devices internally. Nexus 6P has a port that is a work in progress though.
 @TotalSonic [The image for Nexus 5 will NOT work on Nexus 5X - you will be unable to boot an …], I see, I see.. bummer x) - thanks a lot for the information!
 Unfortunately the Nexus 5X hit big barriers in efforts to port it, and I am fairly certain will never be supported
 @TotalSonic [Sorry for my ignorance, are these open issues, or is it possible to build this i …], This member of the community was working trying to make the libs build. … We could use some help to finish it
 @rocket2nfinity [According to AT&T, their 3G/2G stays up until Feb 1, 2022 for existing pre-paid …], i do prepaid
 @cibersheep [This member of the community was working trying to make the libs build. … We could …], I wish I could help but sadly lack the ability. I am glad to donate to bounties if that can help though
 @mateosalta [i do prepaid], Seems they are not allowing people to activate new 3G dependent accounts though.
 ah, well guess i got in on time before that
 @TotalSonic [I wish I could help but sadly lack the ability. I am glad to donate to bounties …], I understand. Thank you
 Woooow!  https://bit.ly/39BN9z1  … Musk posted about bitcoin … 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
[11:54] <ubptgbot> mhkarimi83 was added by: mhkarimi83
 Hello  … I want ubuntu touch for galaxy note 5  … Please help me … TNX
 @mhkarimi83 [Hello  … I want ubuntu touch for galaxy note 5  … Please help me … TNX], http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 @TotalSonic [http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubport …], Note 5 has no gsi support
 @mhkarimi83 [Note 5 has no gsi support], Best to ask at https://t.me/ubports_porting
 Thanks
[13:51] <ubptgbot> AT0M0S was added by: AT0M0S
 @DennoGram [thank you, everything worked out], if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?
 @Flohack [The calculations are a bit wrong yes ;)], how does it calculate it anyway?
 @TotalSonic [We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way aroun …], https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/linphone-simple/-/issues/49
 @Fuseteam [how does it calculate it anyway?], I dont know but what it should do is: … - Retrieve size of sd storage (total storage) … - Retrieve size of cache + system partition => Call it "system reserved" … - Retrieve size of all Ubuntu files in data partition => "Occupied by Ubuntu Touch" … - retrieve all other sizes
 The actual result does not cater for system and cache partiton being not usable for the user
 ah i see guess that's another thing to look into for my bucket list thanks
 [Edit] ah i see guess that's another thing(#storageusage) to look into for my bucket list thanks
 @trocknet_banan [seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is t …], Futile according to Dalton. I'm just going to put LineageOS on it and stick it back on ebay.
 According to legends many have attempted to port, none of succeeded. the nexus 5x is truly the dragon of the Ubuntu Touch world
 hmmm looks like these hashtags are client specific 🤔
 @Themetaleye [So basically its lineageos with full linux shell and apps, am I right?], No. It is not android at all in that sense. You can't run android apps. The AOSP part we use where needed is very minimal (no Java stuff) to use the proprietary drivers necessary to have working hardware on those devices. It is run in a container. And a
[14:22] <ubptgbot> GNU/Linux system is run on top, using a compatibility library where needed, to talk to Android HAL. Ubuntu Touch is also not a traditional linux distro, so don't expect to use it like you would use Ubuntu on your PC either.
 @dohbee [No. It is not android at all in that sense. You can't run android apps. The AOSP …], Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was hoping to have some non proprietary drivers for socs in future
 @Themetaleye [Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was h …], if you want only open drivers, look at Pinephone perhaps. It does not use any android parts at all. And no, even in the future, Ubuntu Touch is not a traditional distribution, even when it can be installed on traditional PC hardware.
 @Themetaleye [Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was h …], android apps may work with anbox but it will be limited and not everything is guarentee to work, Ubuntu Touch has not been ported for the desktop yet, and as rodney says it will still have a readonly rootfs, apt will still not be supported
[14:45] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], ha ha no only one...but
 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], These notches are just all sort of sad aren't they, it bugs me that you even need to work on this, BAN THE NOTCH
[14:49] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Bharatwaj.S [How much difference is between android and ubuntu touch in terms of battery life …], It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 min.
 @Ted Rendol [It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 …], eh? i can run ubuntu touch an entire week without charging and minimal use xD
 I think UT can be better on standy battery but can be a bit worse on actual use
 @PiecerEdd [These notches are just all sort of sad aren't they, it bugs me that you even nee …], sadly, the next UT devices will mostly have the notch since phones has it for the past like 3 years?
 ban the notching by moving the top edge down :p
 I think that's really the easiest and simplest way to handle it
 yeah probably the simplest, not sure about it being the easiest tho
 well it's definitely easier than putting complicated logic which may complicate future developments as well
 yeah but how do we actually move the top edge? what does that involve?
 I understood thank you 🙏😉✌
 it's not just the top notch that's a problem
 the rounded corners as well
 and notches aren't always centered
 or even notches any more. sometimes it's a cut-out (like a circle only for the camera)
 oh and the notch isn't always at the top in usage either :x
 right
 I think the holes are that disruptive like the notches
 @Fuseteam [yeah but how do we actually move the top edge? what does that involve?], I'm thinking of maybe adding a device configuration for margins  for the top (notch) and maybe for the corners as well.
 thinking for a solution makes me feel more anger for crearing unnecessary probelems just make phones look "good"
 a proper solution is going to be the same as what android does, so we would take the masking image file provided for android on that device, derive some values from it, and apply those to the system somehow. how they should be applied though, i am not entirely sure
 @Javacookies [I'm thinking of maybe adding a device configuration for margins  for the top (no …], but what about when the device is rotated?
 @Javacookies [thinking for a solution makes me feel more anger for crearing unnecessary probel …], this is what I meant.. its terrible that you (or anyone else) is now putting in real effort to to work around this, when really it should've been 'don't cut stupid holes in screens' 😛
 what do Android phones do when they're rotated and notched? I think iPhones basically just blank out that part of the screen don't they, or is that only for 'fullscreen' stuff
 that's masking file may be key 🤔
 Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can Ubuntu touch be installed on a OnePlus 3t and function properly? … Any help would be appreciated.
 @ggio01 [Say which os is this], wait kali wtf
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], it depends on what you need
 this thread may help you @InvictusBoom : https://forums.ubports.com/category/52/oneplus-3-3t
 @PiecerEdd [what do Android phones do when they're rotated and notched? I think iPhones basi …], i think it depends, but in a lot of things you just have a notch in whatever you're looking at
 @Fuseteam [it depends on what you need], @Fuseteam It helps me to know what it does not support so I will be able to make an informed decision.
 Thank you for the link.
 I used the OnePlus 3 for a while. Good device, except for video recording has not gotten enabled yet
 @InvictusBoom [Thank you for the link.], glad the link is helpful 👍
 @dohbee [a proper solution is going to be the same as what android does, so we would take …], yeah  but I feel like it's not worth the time to implement complicated things that may even make future developments more complicated as well. … Notches so far are not showstoppers anyway. Let's just let these devices passs until we see again
[15:24] <ubptgbot>  devices without them 😄
 curved edges are also an issue (though perhaps slightly less complicated to deal with for lomiri)
 yeah those too and they also vary
 let'
 [Edit] It's decided, next ports should only target Sony devices 😆
[15:29] <ubptgbot> Ashic Vivo was added by: Ashic Vivo
 heres me thinking I'm safe from this madness... my Cosmo Communicator has rounded corners!! nooo
 @drym4rch0n [Futile according to Dalton. I'm just going to put LineageOS on it and stick it b …], haha thanks for the info, sigh, I guess I'll have to do the same.. or I'll keep it to play around with some custom aosp roms. I'm such a noob that I feel like any kind of technical engagement with a phone is instructive :D
 @Fuseteam [According to legends many have attempted to port, none of succeeded. the nexus 5 …], thank you too for the info! I see that I have to come to terms with the situation of having bought a useless phone then xD
 @Ted Rendol [It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 …], Higher or lower. And what about things like standby time and power consumption
 ime higher in terms of standby time, lower in screentime
 well, no decoding/gpu accel for video in browser, so it's all cpu, which will eat battery
 i don't think that's the full scope 🤔
 no, but given the amount of apps in UT that are webapps, it makes a significant difference
 yeah true
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 is that possible to install ubuntu touch on xperia z5 ?
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 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machine/phone
[17:21] <ubptgbot>  designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but that one is running Win 10.  Linux is such a better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development. … Bit of a warni
[17:21] <ubptgbot> ng... the Precision z Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:22] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is such a better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development.
[17:22] <ubptgbot> … Bit of a warning... the Precision z Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:23] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is a much better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development.
[17:23] <ubptgbot> … Bit of a warning... the Precision z Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:23] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is a much better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development.
[17:23] <ubptgbot> … Bit of a warning... the Precision Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:24] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux, or whatever OS you plan on running. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is a much better desktop environment... espec
[17:24] <ubptgbot> ially when it comes to development. … Bit of a warning... the Precision Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 My laptop came without an OS so I guess it doesn't count, but I think is fair to assume it was thought with windows in mind
 but I run linux in it just fine
 it runs better than windows 10
 [Edit] it runs better than windows 10 actually
 [Edit] My laptop came without an OS so I guess it doesn't count, but I think is fair to assume it was thought with windows in mind since it's an HP
 Linux will run on most everything, but there are too many little gotchas that can pop up with machines built for another OS.
 either way, this group is about Ubuntu Touch, not random linux distros on random hardware :)
 hello, I'm trying to reinstall anbox but it says I don't have enough space in `/var/cache/apt/archives/`
 @flaburgan [hello, I'm trying to reinstall anbox but it says I don't have enough space in /v …], I remember I had that problem last time but don't remember how I solved it
 @flaburgan [hello, I'm trying to reinstall anbox but it says I don't have enough space in /v …], are you on devel image? it already has everything needed to set up anbox. just run `anbox-tool install`
 I'm not on `devel` image anymore because I was afraid of the Qt migration regressions. Did the situation stabilize apart from dekko?
 yes it's pretty stable. dekko is the only major issue (and it's almost fixed)
 okay, then I will try to come back on `devel`
 @LoneRanger4 [I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the …], lemme tie this back to Ubuntu Touch: if we ever port Ubuntu Touch to the desktop, what would we need? would we need to build system images specifically for specific hardware?
 isnt that normal ubuntu?
[17:49] <Shadowbird2468> I'm planing to get my first linux phone sometime soon. I was wondering if applications work crossed between different distros like Ubuntu Touch and Mobian e.g.?
 @Fuseteam [lemme tie this back to Ubuntu Touch: if we ever port Ubuntu Touch to the desktop …], That's a dubious hypothesis. There's little need for an OS designed to be efficient on and work with phone hardware on "desktop".
 Shadowbird2468 no because everybody has an opinion on what's considered "good"
 Well, "it depends." some applications are able to be recompiled for other platforms but the same binary? probably not.
 Hi folks. Is there a command-line way to check battery charge (in mAh, not in percentage) on a Nexus 5?
 In `/sys/devices/f9923000.i2c/i2c-84/84-0036/power_supply/battery` I can see the original charge by design (2300 mAh) but not the max now.
 @alan_griffiths [That's a dubious hypothesis. There's little need for an OS designed to be effici …], I personally think a phone that will work as my desktop is where it needs to go.  Phones have more than enough computing power to fulfill that role these days.  I had high hopes for "Ubuntu for Android" … https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
[17:58] <ubptgbot> =wzc0uMXGFBY … . … .
 @alan_griffiths [That's a dubious hypothesis. There's little need for an OS designed to be effici …], i mean; we have a desktop mode and the ui designed to be convergent, i think it could work well. aside from traditional package management not being supported
 @LoneRanger4 [I personally think a phone that will work as my desktop is where it needs to go. …], i think to get that we need to get Ubuntu Touch on the regular desktop first, that way more people can port/package applications for ubuntu touch
 especially given that it does not work with traditional package management, at the very least we'd need to recompile packages with the `--prefix=/path/to/some/bind/mounted/folder`flag
 [Edit] especially given that it does not work with traditional package management, at the very least we'd need to recompile packages with the `--prefix=/path/to/some/bind/mounted/folder` flag
 the more i think how to improve the convergent application ecosystem, the more interested i become in attempting to port ubuntu touch to a "desktop" PC, even if just to see how well it stacks up to traditional distros
[18:06] <ubptgbot> أحد الإخوة was added by: أحد الإخوة
[18:06] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> @ggio01 [<reply to media>], What the distro?  … And themes?
 @أحد الإخوة [What the distro?  … And themes?], that discussion was moved i think
 @Fuseteam [the more i think how to improve the convergent application ecosystem, the more i …], i mean that was canonical's original dream, one OS to rule them all... this is why we had snaps and ubuntu core,  it was all part of that vision originally
 @PiecerEdd [i mean that was canonical's original dream, one OS to rule them all... this is w …], well yeah, that's why i think UT should also be fully ported to the desktop, not just lomiri
 there's a generic amd64 image. go install it
 @dohbee [there's a generic amd64 image. go install it], there is?
 guess i should look for an ssd or hdd to test it then 🤔
 doesn't work great i guess, but it's there and people have flashed it to laptop or such
 it's not in the installer yet, soooo `dd`?
 what's the driver situation like? has it got a fairly standard linux kernel so it'd be expected to work on a laptop (as long as there's no weirdness/rando drivers needed?)
 well it's built for qemu. so you have to extract the disk image and then write it to a drive, yeah
 i didnt know theres amd64 either, sounds interesting 😁
 ah the qemu image
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-
[18:57] <ubptgbot> ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working intermittently,
[18:57] <ubptgbot>  but I will experiment more.
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], [Edit] Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/com
[18:57] <ubptgbot> munity-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), …  where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working inter
[18:57] <ubptgbot> mittently, but I will experiment more.
 oh cool
 @dohbee [are you on devel image? it already has everything needed to set up anbox. just r …], so now I should use `anbox-tool app-install` instead of adb?
 @flaburgan [so now I should use anbox-tool app-install instead of adb?], i guess either will work
[19:32] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> After installing ubuntu tutch he is stop on logo google  … My phone is nexus 6p
 it didn't work, but adb install works
[19:38] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> @flaburgan [it didn't work, but adb install works], That for me?
 No for rodney
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/tdDaHFwu.png
 Through it isn't helpful, damn banks
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 @flaburgan [Through it isn't helpful, damn banks], EU? i guess it needs to do things with SIM in secure environment
 Bank apps don't tend to work on android if the bootloader is unlocked, same with services like paypal
 dunno. all mine work fine
 @dohbee [EU? i guess it needs to do things with SIM in secure environment], SIM? It just tries to access the secure keystore I think
 Thats odd, I couldn't use paypal on the opo a few years back when I used android on it, because the bootloader was unlocked
 Some countries' banks use the SIM toolkit, which is a standard that is technically usable on any device with a SIM. But I think most of the world uses the Android Keystore, which is an API provided by Android.
 Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app is running on has not been modified.
 Anbox will never pass SafetyNet
 ```def is_safe(): …     return true```
 It involves cryptography and stuff
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app i …], yeah my bank app won't even run on a rooted android, there used to be a Magisk module that could fake it but even that doesn't work anymore
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app i …], Every single bank app in México uses SafetyNet. So frustrating because they don't even have an web page to manage the money on my accounts. Only through the app. And I like to use UT and on other phone Android without Google Play service
[20:18] <ubptgbot> s.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app i …], [Edit] Every single bank app in México uses SafetyNet. So frustrating because they don't even have an web page to manage the money on my accounts. Only through the app. And I like to use UT and on other phone I use Android without Google
[20:18] <ubptgbot>  Play services.
 Only solution I found is to use a basic phone with GooglePlay services only for bank apps. Of course that is not ideal and annoying sometimes hehe
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], [Edit] Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/com
[20:26] <ubptgbot> munity-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), … sudo vi /etc/ofono/ril_subscription.conf … [Settings] … #EmptyConfig=false … #Identity=radio:radio … #3GLTEHandover=true
[20:26] <ubptgbot>  … #SetRadioCapability=auto … SetRadioCapability=off … emptyPinQuery=false … radioPowerCycle=false … confirmRadioPowerOn=false … useDataProfiles=true … [ril_0] … transport=binder:name=slot1 … name=slot1 … [ril_1] … transport=binder:name=slot2 … name=slot2 … and main.conf … sudo vi /etc/ofono/main.conf … [ModemManager] … AutoSelectDataSim=always … a
[20:26] <ubptgbot> nd reboot and phone …  where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working intermittently, but I will experiment more.
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], [Edit] Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/com
[20:27] <ubptgbot> munity-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), … sudo mount -o remount,rw / … sudo vi /etc/ofono/ril_subscription.conf … [Settings] … #EmptyConfig=false … #Identity=radi
[20:27] <ubptgbot> o:radio … #3GLTEHandover=true … #SetRadioCapability=auto … SetRadioCapability=off … emptyPinQuery=false … radioPowerCycle=false … confirmRadioPowerOn=false … useDataProfiles=true … [ril_0] … transport=binder:name=slot1 … name=slot1 … [ril_1] … transport=binder:name=slot2 … name=slot2 … and main.conf … sudo vi /etc/ofono/main.conf … [ModemManager] …
[20:27] <ubptgbot>  AutoSelectDataSim=always … and reboot and phone …  where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working intermittently, but I will experiment more.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some countries' banks use the SIM toolkit, which is a standard that is technical …], i suppose in the long run UT will need to offer similar API :x
 Hello folks, I'll try again with a different phrasing of my question... is there a way to check if my N5 battery is damaged? I'm thinking about replacing it but I'm not sure if I'll see a significant increase in battery time.
 Alright chaps, could I bring this article to your attention? UBPorts features very prominently: https://www.cyberpunks.com/location-tracking-apps-vs-niche-mobile-operating-systems/ Possibly the most complete actual Ubuntu Touch review ever written.
 IDK why it as Sailfish as a headline image though
 tbf that's a screenshot from Dr Strangelove :P
 @Gorsh2 [Hello folks, I'll try again with a different phrasing of my question... is there …], idk but on N5 don't expect more than a day, depending on your usage
 @lduboeuf [idk but on N5 don't expect more than a day, depending on your usage], It's usually less than that...
 data on, wifi,  video ?
 No, the usual. Data on (3g only, unless I really need LTE speed); wifi only when needed... Little or no video at all.
 iirc, mine was discharged less than a day
 [Edit] iirc, mine was discharged in less than a day
 Any places where i can find yumi stickers as png or gif ?
 You may want to go through the UBPorts forums
 [Edit] You may want to go through the UBports forums
[21:29] <ubptgbot> Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem was added by: Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem
 there's a yumi png here: https://ubports.com/design-guidelines - no idea if it'ss under any sort of license that would prevent you using it for what you're planning though
 🖖 hope someone knows: can Ubuntu Touch also be installed on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 Pro?
 @Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem [🖖 hope someone knows: can Ubuntu Touch also be installed on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 …], uhhh note 7 yes note 7 pro? not sure
 Will get the non pro to b sure
 @Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem [Will get the non pro to b sure], if you going to get a device please consult devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 installation will be easier with devices supported by the ubports installer
 I did, since the pro and non pro are allmost identical, but pnly the non pro is listed.. anyway, just placed the order
 @Fuseteam [if you going to get a device please consult devices.ubuntu-touch.io], being on that list doesn't necessarily mean it is installable via installer, either, i think
 @dohbee [being on that list doesn't necessarily mean it is installable via installer, eit …], true but that list also show if it is supported by the installer
 @dohbee [being on that list doesn't necessarily mean it is installable via installer, eit …], [Edit] true but that list also shows if it is supported by the installer
 @David [Alright chaps, could I bring this article to your attention? UBPorts features ve …], Very nice and accurate article
[22:15] <ubptgbot> <Soscat House> @fredldotme [I wouldn't recommend Halium 9 ports as a daily driver phone as long as it's suff …], I recently grabbed a Pixel3a and have been testing on Bell Canada ... No programming knowledge but comfortable on linux ... Let me know if I can help with debugging?  (I have Mobile 3G data stable, working SMS ...).  On 4G/"L", it cycles
[22:15] <ubptgbot>  on and off quickly (~ every 6 seconds).
 so no UBports team on FOSDEM ?
 [Edit] so no UBports team at FOSDEM ?
 @lduboeuf [so no UBports team at FOSDEM ?], Is FOSDEM going to be in person or just virtual this year?
 virtual it seems
 @Fuseteam [uhhh note 7 yes note 7 pro? not sure], The Note 7 Pro can be flashed with the GSI image but is buggy.  Regular Note 7 is supported by the UBports installer and works better.  http://www.mardy.it/blog/2021/01/ubuntu-touch-porting-notes-for-the-redmi-note-7-pro.html
 @Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem [🖖 hope someone knows: can Ubuntu Touch also be installed on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 …], The Note 7 Pro can be flashed with the GSI image but is buggy.  Regular Note 7 is supported by the UBports installer and works better.  http://www.mardy.it/blog/2021/01/ubuntu-touch-porting-notes-for-the-redmi-note-7-pro.htm
[22:43] <ubptgbot> l
 @TronFortyTwo [Very nice and accurate article], I thought so. Thank you very much


[03:27] <pwnguin> anyone knowwhere the upstream to hotkeys-support is?
[03:33] <pwnguin> well fun, its a mjg orphan
[04:02] <crimsun> pwnguin: for hotkey additional defs?  You probably want to add patches to hal-info.
[04:04] <pwnguin> well, im looking at it, and theres an empty "toshiba-tablet.hk"
[04:05] <pwnguin> whats the advantages of hal-info over say hotkey-setup?
[04:09] <crimsun> depends what you're attempting
[04:09] <crimsun> are these completely new defs or just quirks?
[04:12] <pwnguin> ... i don't know?
[04:12] <pwnguin> i only have one laptop, im not sure what's not working versus not existing
[04:16] <crimsun> are your hotkeys producing keycodes at all?
[04:16] <pwnguin> key
[04:16] <pwnguin> yes
[04:16] <pwnguin> an incredible typo
[04:20] <pwnguin> yes, it produces key codes, but something somewhere decided it should map to the numpad
[04:21] <crimsun> then it sounds like you need quirks added to hal-info.
[04:25] <pwnguin> ive been having a hell of a time figuring out wtf the keycodes are though
[04:25] <pwnguin> xev is pretty verbose, and some of the output is crazy
[04:26] <pwnguin> showkey was putting out like 3 presses


[08:17] <mdke> hey dpm
[08:19] <dpm> heya mdke, good morning
[08:20] <mdke> morning :)
[22:21] <CarlFK> new use of for: "We currently build four sets of mainline kernels, two sets from Linus' tree, two sets from DRM-development repositories, and one from a combined v2.6.32.x/v2.6.33.y stable tree"
[22:22] <CarlFK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[22:22] <CarlFK> gah.  four


[01:27] <davef> Welp, Christmas is going to be expensive this year. Both kids want expensive things. I'm going to let them have what they want, they rarely (if ever) ask for anything.
[01:27] <daftykins> :O what are they after?
[01:27] <davef> Eldest wants a Nintendo Switch
[01:28] <davef> My youngest has asked for something called a Dash Robot
[01:28] <daftykins> hmm
[01:28] <davef> I've been looking at it, it's programmable, looks like it uses Scratch
[01:29] <daftykins> funky
[01:29] <davef> https://www.makewonder.com/apps/blockly/
[01:29] <davef> Hey, if it kickstarts her programming, I'm all for it.
[01:32] <davef> And shock horror of horrors, I actually have a morning commute tomorrow.
[01:33] <daftykins> !
[01:33] <daftykins> how far?
[01:34] <davef> I'm going to the studio
[01:34] <davef> About an hour by public transit
[01:34] <daftykins> but... other people! D:
[01:38] <davef> lol
[01:39] <davef> I'm at that point where I need to see other people
[01:39] <davef> I need a social life again
[01:40] <daftykins> i'm feeling a bit iffy about pool nights now, exposure!
[01:42] <davef> I've done my trip to the UK, I got a taste of no restrictions while I was there. I need to keep that.
[02:01] <davef> This has to be a joke, right? https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1468295596624728072/photo/1
[02:02] <daftykins> must be
[02:09] <daftykins> that person has quite some hate for Dave
[02:17] <daftykins> i think it's somewhere on - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqWjq2SdzpI
[02:18] <daftykins> comments appear a bit iffy here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqWjq2SdzpI&lc=Ugygh_HfMmgQ3aOXWPN4AaABAg
[02:21] <daftykins> oh i just found it
[02:21] <davef> I just want to know the context
[02:21] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqWjq2SdzpI&lc=UgwFYyE8lw0hQzBQj154AaABAg
[02:21] <daftykins> just a response to a saddo
[02:26] <davef> Yeah, what, indeed. That comment doesn't appear to be in jest. He's clearly not as informed as he believes.
[02:30] <daftykins> weird that my comment links don't work, ho-hum
[02:31] <daftykins> hey i just reloaded and it's goneski
[02:32] <daftykins> yep whole thing purged now
[02:37] <daftykins> nevermind it's my own weird link, it somehow hides that single comment
[13:10] <davef> Oof, I have NOT missed the morning commute
[17:42] <daftykins> davef: there were people and there was traffic, right?
[17:44] <zxmpi> roads here seem as busy as pre covid. even though people are supposed to be working from home where possible
[19:04] <davef> Yeah, it was busy on the bus and metro


[00:04] <slangasek> ogra_: the new grouper kernel is beautiful, thanks :)
[00:10] <mhall119> new kernel?  what goodies does it include?
[00:13] <slangasek> mhall119: it fixes the console handling, so that with the flipped image we don't get scrolly kernel text
[00:13] <slangasek> and we also don't get a reboot loop
[00:13] <slangasek> :)
[00:13] <slangasek> instead we get beautiful Ubuntu Touch
[00:15] <mhall119> ah, I'm not using hte flipped image yet, so I didn't know about those problems
[00:15]  * mhall119 goes back to wishing and hoping for camera and audio to work
[00:23] <jordanl> anyone mind helping me out real quick?
[00:33] <mhall119> jordanl: what's up?
[01:50] <iLeoable> Hello
[01:51] <dixeflatline> whats crackin
[01:51] <iLeoable> Is there any way to install ubuntu-touch on HTC Thunderbolt running ICS?
[01:52] <dixeflatline> hmm hold.  see if its been ported
[01:52] <iLeoable> ok thanks
[01:57] <dixeflatline> it doesnt look like its been ported yet
[01:57] <iLeoable> awwww crap
[01:57] <iLeoable> thanks though for checkinng!
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[07:20] <tvoss> dholbach, ping
[07:21] <dholbach> tvoss, pong
[08:07] <mardy> timp: hi! About bug 1189728
[08:07] <mardy> timp: I don't understand what you write in your first paragraph; do you mean that I'm doing something wrong in my test case?
[08:18] <AskUbuntu> Ubunut.Components module missing | http://askubuntu.com/q/310531
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Dump the Pump Day and happy World Refugee Day! :-)
[08:32] <Laney> seb128: hey, where did the icons you got for the settings panels come from?
[08:32] <Laney> appearance doesn't get one on the device atm
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, design, but they are temporary ones, they didn't decide yet on whether they want monochrome or colored icons for the panels
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, once they decide on that they will include them in the theme
[08:35] <seb128> Laney, I fwded you the email and the zip, feel free to include the icon you need as a temporary solution, that's what Ken and I did, you also want to s/cccccc/808080 in the .svg to get the right color
[08:35] <Laney> ah cool, there is a settings-backgrounds in there
[08:36] <Laney> merci
[08:36] <seb128> de rien
[08:45] <Asad2005> I have restored original android for my nexus 4 as per the install wiki, can i use the same procedure to install other modified images like cyanogenmod?
[08:47] <matt95> hello everyone, i'm trying to port the ubuntu touch preview on my HTC One X. the build ends fine without any error but my phone after installation it remains on the bootanimation.
[08:48] <matt95> i think that there's something wrong with the kernel itself, do you have any auggestion?
[09:04] <matt95> bobody?
[09:18] <xnox> matt95: you read porting guide right?
[09:19] <matt95> yes i followed everything :(
[09:19] <matt95> but nothing seems to works
[09:19] <xnox> Asad2005: once it's back to normal android, sure just read cyanogenmod instructions and install using their instructions.
[09:19] <matt95> i flash the .zip file and its boot.img in fastboot
[09:19] <matt95> that should be enough
[09:20] <xnox> matt95: there seemed to be a port for HTC One X already....
[09:20] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[09:20] <matt95> it is the old version
[09:20] <matt95> and i wanted to made one by myself
[09:20] <matt95> now even that man can't boot the hox, i've already contacted him
[09:21] <matt95> with this new version i mean
[09:21] <xnox> matt95: hmmm....... you'd still want to continue using the same htc one x kernel though.
[09:21] <Asad2005> xnox: I mean since the nexus is unlocked (rooted), can i just unzip cyanogenmod image cd to it and flash
[09:22] <xnox> Asad2005: no idea =) I've never run cyanogenmod. But if you are back to stock nexus4 normal way (whichever that is) to install cyanogenmod should work.
[09:22] <matt95> i use the kernel that my machine puts out once everything is compiled, right?
[09:23] <xnox> matt95: no, that will not work, ever =)
[09:23] <xnox> matt95: try the old kernel from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171786 but with raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[09:23] <xnox> and see if that boots.
[09:24] <matt95> that's why then... so what kernel do i have to pick up? cause if i compile a normal cyanogenmod i do flash the boot.img that the machine gives me back and everything works just fine
[09:24] <xnox> hm.
[09:24] <matt95> i'll try thanks
[09:28] <matt95> yeah but my question is, where did he get that kernel/boot.img? the cyanogenmod.zip file to be flashed is the one that he had taken from the out/target/htc/endeavoru
[09:29] <matt95> so basically he's doing my same thing
[09:29] <matt95> but with the latest repositories i think there's something wrong
[09:30] <matt95> let's see, i'm rebooting
[09:33] <matt95> as i though, it doesn't boot up...
[09:35] <matt95> so the problem is with the saucy-preinstalled-phablet.armhf.zip
[09:37] <xnox> matt95: don't use saucy-preinstall-phablet, that's still flaky.
[09:37] <xnox> matt95: wait, it seems fixed now.
[09:37] <matt95> ???
[09:37] <xnox> matt95: are you using the one from here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[09:38] <matt95> ye exactly
[09:43] <Asad2005> matt95: How did you flash the .zip file and its boot.img in fastboot ? can you please shed somelight
[09:44] <Asad2005> I dont want to go to windows pc, i want to use ubuntu
[09:45] <matt95> i've compiled the .zip file following the guide on the ubuntu porting site, i took the output file from the out/target/htc/endeavoru and flashed it in recovery, then i flashed the saucy-preinstalled.zip and then i rebooted to fastboot and flashed the boot.img(which is the kernel)...
[09:46] <matt95> then i rebooted but nothing boots ups, it is stuck at the bootnaimation
[09:46] <matt95> i'm using ubuntu too
[10:07] <om26er> my screen rotation is not working on the latest image. What broke ?
[10:11] <asac> hmm. wonder how we could automate screen rotation testing.
[10:12] <timp> mardy: I'm checking bug 1189728. There is indeed something wrong. I thought I got it to work well yesterday, but not anymore..
[10:12] <timp> mardy: so I'm looking into it.
[10:12] <mardy> timp: thanks!
[10:13] <mardy> timp: indeed with the rectangle being all red, it wasn't easy to notice :-)
[10:15] <ogra_> asac, a usb driven stepper motor, a pattern and a camera
[10:17] <asac> yeah. i had this idea of the validation train... having device train drive through the office to roam wifi, go in cellar etc. :)
[10:17] <asac> guess one could combine that concept :)
[10:18] <ogra_> heh
[10:41] <popey> asac / ogra_ you only really need to lay the device flat and lift one edge off the table to trigger rotation ☻
[10:41] <ogra_> that only works for mako though
[10:41] <ogra_> for grouper you would need to oil the table :P
[10:43] <asac> :)
[10:44] <ogra_> no, but seriously, if you want to test the full stack you wont get around some tilting HW solution
[10:48] <timp> mardy: it seems that internally in the Flickable, if its height equals the contentsHeight, flicking is disabled
[10:48] <timp> mardy: that is the case here, even though I set the topMargin to keep space for the header, perhaps that margin is not taken into account when comparing height with contentsHeight
[10:48]  * timp trying to think of a solution
[10:49] <mardy> timp: that seems quite logic, in fact
[10:49] <mardy> timp: I think that when the header is visible, you should make the height of the flickable smaller
[10:50] <timp> mardy: if you add -1 to the rectangle height instead of +1, it also works.. just not if the height is equal to contentHeight
[10:50] <mardy> timp: really? ah, I didn't try that. Weeeird!
[10:51] <timp> mardy: currently there are two options for dealing with the header:
[10:51] <timp> 1. if there is no flickable, make the Page less high, so that its top touches the header bottom
[10:51] <timp> 2. if there is a flickable, keep the Page height the same, but set a topMargin for the flickable.
[10:52] <timp> we are in case 2. the problem is that the Flickable automatically disables flicking if contentHeight [10:52] <timp> it is some bad interaction between the header, and the automatic flicking detection of the Flickable
[10:53] <timp> mardy:                 flickableDirection: Flickable.VerticalFlick
[10:53] <timp> mardy: adding ^ to the Flickable fixes the problem.
[10:53] <timp> but it would be nice to find a way to make it work for the default:
[10:53] <timp> Flickable.AutoFlickDirection (default) - allows flicking vertically if the contentHeight is not equal to the height of the Flickable. Allows flicking horizontally if the contentWidth is not equal to the width of the Flickable.
[10:53] <mardy> timp: looks like the isVerticalFlickable() function is wrong, then
[10:54] <mardy> timp: it does "if ( (direction [10:56]  * xnox was struggling with making value selector flickable on a page and eventually gave up.
[10:56] <timp> mardy: it doesn't matter. I am testing now with the object.contentHeight !== object.height commented out. the Flickable still cannot be flicked because the same comparison is probably inside the Flickable
[10:57] <timp> xnox: what do you mean making it flickable? if you have it inside a ListView or Flickable, when the ValueSelector is expanded its height is adapted so it should work
[10:58] <xnox> timp: right. let me summon qt-creator and check what i was doing wrong.
[10:59] <timp> let's continue these discussions in #ubuntu-app-devel
[11:16] <Venkat> Hello
[11:16] <popey> hi
[11:17] <Venkat> I'm from India, when Ubuntu will be ready for sale
[11:17] <Venkat> I mean, when Ubuntu will come to Market
[11:18] <[mbm]> every time I go to download ubuntu they ask for money, but I always figured that was because I use a nigerian proxy server
[11:20] <popey> Valtam: next year
[11:20] <Valtam> hi popey
[11:21] <cdesai> wrong guy popey :-P
[11:21] <Valtam> doh
[11:21] <popey> oops
[11:21] <popey> s/valtam/venkat/
[11:23] <xnox> [mbm]: yeah, it's a contribution page for ubuntu project. you can skip it. Or download directly from plain http at http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:23] <xnox> no contribution pages there ;-)
[11:33] <ogra_> rsalveti, there should be a flipped manta image to test now
[11:37] <Valtam> popey, sent you a pm
[11:40] <diwic> rsalveti, I need this file, I believe. Should it be added to libhybris-dev? http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_hardware_libhardware.git;a=blob;f=include/hardware/audio.h;h=beac717708eb1d1e12055de366ce856f2431006a;hb=HEAD
[12:28] <ogra_> diwic, around ?
[12:29] <diwic> ogra_, hi
[12:29] <ogra_> heay
[12:29] <ogra_> sooo ...
[12:29] <ogra_> we created ucm profiles for the tegra and panda desktop images ...
[12:30] <ogra_> way back ...
[12:30] <ogra_> :)
[12:30] <diwic> okay
[12:31] <ogra_> now we have that android container that initializes the sound devices already ... and the maguro (galaxy nexus) device is identical to panda ... and the grouper (nexus7) device is well, identical to what we used for the n7 desktop image
[12:31] <ogra_> so we are applying UCM profiles from the ubuntu side after the android container inited them ... and i was wondering what we can do
[12:32] <ogra_> (this results indeed in a mess)
[12:32] <diwic> ogra_, I'm actually looking through code for the android audio hal right now
[12:32] <Makalak> guys, we're trying to build ubuntu for htc one x, but we keep getting stuck at boot anim, what r ur thoughts?
[12:32] <diwic> ogra_, the current plan is to make PulseAudio use the audio hal
[12:32] <Makalak> is there a make to debug this?
[12:33] <ogra_> well, right, i just think we need to get rid of the UCM profiles on the ubuntu side if the android container is used
[12:33] <diwic> ogra_, that's what I think too
[12:33] <diwic> ogra_, as for short-term dogfooding I don't know the current state on the various images, what works and what not
[12:33] <ogra_> diwic, we will still need them for the panda desktop images though ... i thought about haaving an alsa-ucm-profiles package that we can omit to install on touch images
[12:34] <diwic> ogra_, can't we just skip the UCM udev rules completely on touch images?
[12:35] <ogra_> do they only get set by udev ?
[12:35] <ogra_> i thought the alsactl init stuff does some parts
[12:35] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, and then we can skip the ucm files too because nobody likes unused files around
[12:35] <ogra_> we will have to divert a lot of udev rules anyway, that would just be one more indeed
[12:35] <diwic> ogra_, and then we're at your proposal, alsa-ucm-profiles
[12:35] <ogra_> haha
[12:36] <diwic> ogra_, it's annoying we ship all ucm files on the x86 desktop images too, btw :-)
[12:36] <ogra_> well, i didnt mean to come to a decision right now ... just wanted to implant the thought in your brain for further thinking about it :)
[12:37] <ogra_> but yeah, having them on x86 is definitely a waste
[12:37] <diwic> (but that might all change with an Atom SoC or so)
[12:38] <ogra_> yeah
[12:38] <diwic> ogra_, but in the short term, feel free to just divert the udev rule - I think that's the only thing currently using UCM
[12:39] <ogra_> ok
[12:39] <diwic> ogra_, Luke disabled ucm in pulseaudio
[12:39] <diwic> ogra_, and I don't think alsactl does anything ucm related
[12:39] <ogra_> ok
[12:42] <Guest30155> Hey there. I'm planning to check out touch on  my Galaxy Nexus, does the telephone part work?
[12:42] <diwic> ogra_, btw, would the panda (TI) and maguro (Samsung) use the same UCM profile? That doesn't make sense.
[12:42] <ogra_> Guest30155, it does, if you have a SIm without PIN
[12:42] <ogra_> diwic, maguro is essentially a pandaboard
[12:42] <Guest30155> Ok, so i have to disable the pin code?
[12:42] <ogra_> yeah
[12:43] <diwic> ogra_, oh, so a TI OMAP processor inside? Interesting.
[12:43] <ogra_> diwic, even though it is from samsung, gooogle forced them to use omap
[12:43] <ogra_> it isnt actually a panda, but close enough to cause issues
[12:43] <ogra_> SDP4430 codec :)
[12:44] <diwic> ok :-)
[12:44] <ogra_> geez, within 10 mins it got dark outside (we had bright sunshine right before, bow i need to turn on the light)
[12:45] <ogra_> s/bow/now/
[12:45]  * ogra_ waits for the thunder
[12:45] <popey> surely you live in a basement like the rest of us, we don't need daylight!
[12:45] <ogra_> heh
[12:46] <morphis> ogra_: yeah, weather theses days is really inconsistent :D
[12:46] <ogra_> it was consistently unbearable hot for the last few days here
[12:47] <ogra_> i'm actually waiting for the promised rain
[12:47] <morphis> ogra_: you're in germany?
[12:47] <ogra_> yeah, in the center
[12:47] <morphis> we had some kind of a tiny storm already yesterday
[12:47] <morphis> sitting in the norht
[12:47] <ogra_> north, south and east got it yesterday
[12:47] <ogra_> ah, cool, i didnt know
[12:47] <morphis> :)
[12:48]  * ogra_ is in kassel
[12:48]  * morphis is near osnabrück
[12:48] <ogra_> heh, i come from hannover ...
[12:48] <ogra_> nearly neighbors
[12:49] <morphis> hehe, originally I am coming from Verden so really close :)
[12:59] <xenos1984> lower saxony meeting here? ;)
[12:59]  * xenos1984 is born in wolfsburg
[12:59] <ogra_> hey hey
[13:00] <xenos1984> btw, i asked someone to buy me a nexus 7 in germany, and it's already on the way to me
[13:01] <xenos1984> so now i wonder which image to flash - raring or saucy?
[13:01] <xenos1984> does any of those support the gps yet?
[13:03] <popey> xenos1984: saucy
[13:03] <popey> xenos1984: i dont think we've hooked up the gps to the location API yet
[13:04] <xenos1984> popey: hm... i don't know anything about the location API... but could i get like raw NMEA data? or gpsd running?
[13:05] <popey> xenos1984: perhaps
[13:06] <galaxytab> hello
[13:06] <xenos1984> popey: i guess then i'll just give it a try... so basically my plan is to use Navit for routing
[13:07] <ogra_> navit ? is that the meego one ?
[13:07] <galaxytab> my phone doesn't boot it's stuck in boot screen
[13:07] <xenos1984> provided that i get Navit and all its requirements to run... but hey, i already managed to do this on a TomTom
[13:07] <popey> nice
[13:07] <popey> be interested to see your progress - i have an n7 and n4
[13:07] <xenos1984> ogra_: well, it also supports meego, but many other devices
[13:07] <xenos1984> popey: i'll keep you informed :)
[13:08] <ogra_> right i remember trying an early version on my n900
[13:08] <ogra_> woah ... the new coloring of the lockscreen bites
[13:08]  * ogra_ liked the former color scheme better
[13:09] <xenos1984> so far i tried navit on my laptop (ubuntu 12.04) and some tomtom - recently some people used it on raspberry pi running raspbian
[13:09] <xenos1984> seems logical to me to use it on ubuntu touch :)
[13:16] <ogra_> rain !!!!
[13:16] <ogra_> oh finally !!
[13:17] <popey> ♫ It's raining men... Haleluja! ♫
[13:17] <popey> etc
[13:17] <ogra_> lol
[13:18]  * ogra_ wonders when the cats will notice ... they sleep outside since yesterday night
[13:23] <esigolo> I was wondering when someone will port whatsapp to ubuntu touch ! is the only thing i'm waiting for
[13:25] <ogra_> i think that was ported weeks ago ... called whosthere though ... but still with bugs i heard
[13:25] <highvoltage> esigolo: afaik the whatsapp staff themselves have done it, they have been hanging around recently and been asking questions
[13:30] <esigolo> highvoltage: excelent news I'm not a developer already thought to help with feedback. Testing and reporting difficulties But without the whatsapp is difficult for me to communicate with everyone I know through the whatsapp
[13:45] <mhall119> esigolo: you should send WhatsApp an email telling them you'd like an Ubuntu client
[13:49] <esigolo> Done LOL
[14:06] <mhall119> Calendar App team meeting starting now in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[14:07] <nik90> esigolo: I just realised that whatapp had a client for nokia symbian. I was using it on my nokia xpressmusic 5800 long time back. So porting it (and updating) for touch should be easy
[14:07] <nik90> esigolo: I hope whatapp consider this
[14:09] <esigolo> nik90: I sent an e-mail asking when it will be done LOL
[14:09] <nik90> esigolo: nice. Lets hope the reply is positive
[14:10] <esigolo> I have one GTI9000B
[14:11] <esigolo> I was thinking to connect on my ubuntu machine at home and give access to developers to test
[14:12] <esigolo> i don't now it is would be useful
[14:12] <esigolo> know*
[14:13] <mhall119> nik90: the more people who ask for it, the more likely they are to make it
[14:26] <rsalveti> diwic: I'll add the file to libhybris
[14:26] <rsalveti> should be part of libhybris-dev
[14:29] <diwic> rsalveti, thanks. See my just sent email too, though
[14:30] <rsalveti> diwic: hm, nothing here, might take a few minutes
[14:31] <diwic> rsalveti, ah, didn't click the send button. Done now.
[14:35] <diwic> rsalveti, but if you add audio.h please add audio_policy.h too while you're at it
[14:35] <rsalveti> sure
[14:37] <rsalveti> diwic: which device had the smart android audio hal?
[14:38] <diwic> rsalveti, more than one.
[14:38] <rsalveti> that's interesting, though audioflinger would cover most of the logic
[14:39] <diwic> rsalveti, well, audioflinger uses hal for both pcm and mixer
[14:39] <diwic> rsalveti, the problem comes if you want to use hal for mixer and direct alsa for pcm
[14:40] <rsalveti> right
[14:44] <diwic> rsalveti, but I'm not sure. It's not easy to keep four audio HAL implementations in your head simultaneously :-)
[14:44] <diwic> they all seem to do it in slightly different ways
[14:44] <diwic> maybe some don't do it
[14:45] <rsalveti> diwic: that was my impression as well
[14:45] <rsalveti> would it be hard to have a pulse element that would use the hal for both pcm and mixer?
[14:45] <rsalveti> but the second option sounds more clean, just more work I guess
[14:46] <diwic> rsalveti, it's possible, but we lose some of pulseaudio's features, such as dynamic latnecy
[14:46] <rsalveti> yeah
[14:46] <rsalveti> ideally pcm would go directly to alsa
[14:48] <diwic> nexus7 probably does not
[14:49] <diwic> tuna seems to; there is a call out_write -> start_output_stream -> select_output_device
[14:50] <rsalveti> right
[14:50] <diwic> manta seems to; same there out_write -> start_output_stream -> select_devices
[14:52] <kenvandine> ogra_, the touch images are built from the ubuntu-touch.saucy seed right?
[14:52] <diwic> qcom audio (nexus4) seems to: there are calls from out_write -> AudioStreamOutALSA::write -> snd_use_case_*
[14:52] <rvr> Grrr
[14:52] <diwic> rsalveti, so three out of four seem "smart" to me
[14:52] <ogra_> kenvandine, the flipped ones, yes
[14:52] <rvr> I think I soft-bricked the Nexus 4
[14:52] <kenvandine> oh
[14:53] <rvr> while installing saucy
[14:53] <rvr> And howto out there how to recover?
[14:53] <kenvandine> so to get something seeded we need to add it in 2 places?
[14:53] <rvr> adb devices doesn't list anything
[14:53] <kenvandine> ogra_, where do the unflipped images come from?
[14:53] <diwic> rsalveti, but I'm on holiday tomorrow, back on Monday with fresh energy hopefully to tackle this, and perhaps some new smart idea :-)
[14:54] <ogra_> kenvandine, jenkins ... flipped comes from cdimage (and we'll default to these next week)
[14:55] <kenvandine> ok, so maybe i should just worry about seeding system-settings for flipped
[14:58] <rsalveti> diwic: cool, will take a look at the code later today as well, want to understand a bit more of what is happening there
[15:06] <vrruiz> Is there any equivalent file for Nexus 4 to saucy-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip?
[15:06] <kenvandine> vrruiz, the mako one
[15:07] <vrruiz> kenvandine: For nexus 4?
[15:07] <vrruiz> Those are armel builds, not armhf
[15:14] <vrruiz> Ok, I see that's not an issue
[15:14] <vrruiz> However, I only see one zip file, this mako are images
[15:17] <vrruiz> Ok, cdimage stores the armel+mako.zip (I was looking at my Downloads folder)
[15:21] <ogra_> vrruiz, ubuntu touch consists of two zips ... the amrel+$subarch.zip and the armhf.zip ... the armel one has all device specific bits in it, armhf is device agnostic and carries the whole rootfs
[15:21] <vrruiz> ogra_: Good to know, thanks
[15:45] <mfisch> has anyone tried valgrinding a process on the device? My results are somewhat odd, like the stack reported doesn't go down far enough to the original caller
[15:45] <mfisch> My stacks end at calls like g_malloc, not the actual code calling g_malloc which is what I need
[15:52] <balloons> nik90, ping
[15:54] <nik90> balloons: pong
[15:54] <balloons> nik90, so last I looked the clock app branches with tests were still hanging out unmerged
[15:55] <nik90> balloons: yes, I am waiting on omer to fix the stuff
[15:55] <nik90> balloons: I have also been meaning to write some tests myself, but have been preoccupied with the new toolbar api and design changes. But I do intend to get my tests in before this weekend
[15:55] <balloons> nik90, are the bugs up to date on what's been started on vs not?
[15:56] <balloons> nik90, I just want to make sure I represent the state of things well :-)
[15:56] <nik90> balloons: the bugs are up to date.
[15:56] <balloons> I only see one in progress
[15:56] <nik90> balloons: yeah that
[15:56] <nik90> balloons: that's the add timer test which is being written by me
[15:57] <nik90> balloons: omer is just fixing the existing tests which do not any bug reports
[15:57] <balloons> ok perfect.. so people who want to add things can pull any open bug report
[15:57] <nik90> balloons: yup. They can start working on any bug which is not taken
[15:58] <nik90> balloons: I always make sure that the bug reports are up to date
[15:58] <nik90> mhall119: I will send an email as well :)
[15:59] <TToivanen> Hi guys. I successfully built ubuntu touch for the HTC One X back in the day. Now I'm attempting again and did the usual patches etc... But it remains stuck at oem logo. Any idea what could be wrong?
[15:59] <nik90> balloons: I had a question about the autopilot test
[15:59] <nik90> balloons: Is it possible to test the accuracy of the stopwatch time keeping by letting it run for 25-30 seconds? Or should we just put that as a manual test?
[16:00] <nik90> The reason I am bringing this up was because we had some bug reports where the stopwatch time lagged on certain devices. It has been fixed but I dont want it appear again by mistake
[16:18] <bzoltan> does anybody know how to figure out on the phablet  that it is accessible with adb... like, I am a shell script running on the phablet and I want to know if that chap sitting next to me with a PC can see me with adb or not
[16:22] <cdesai> bzoltan: getprop init.svc.adbd
[16:28] <bzoltan> cdesai:  that is on android... I am in the ubuntu chroot
[16:28] <cdesai> bzoltan: right, though if you're using the flipped images you might be able to do that
[16:29] <bzoltan> cdesai: is the flipped image availabe for testing?
[16:29] <cdesai> yep
[16:29]  * bzoltan is running like hell to get it
[16:30]  * bzoltan is running back to cdesai to ask where to get that image from
[16:31]  * cdesai points bzoltan to the maling list, where he can get more info about that and some links
[16:32] <bzoltan> cdesai: thanks... I found the mails
[16:54] <fabry> ciao
[16:54] <fabry> !list
[16:54] <fabry> ok
[16:57]  * ogra_ wonders what !list actually does in a file sharing channel ... i never was in one, but that bot msg always made me wonder
[16:57] <esigolo> !list
[16:58] <doomlord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsrHTxWA3dU
[16:58] <doomlord> ^^^ thats running in emulation on the desktop , not on arm hardware i guess?
[17:01] <popey> ogra_: bots reply with list of warez to share
[17:02] <ogra_> ah
[17:02] <popey> ogra_: apparently we get lots of Italians because somewhere something was published in Italy that IRC is only used for piracy, so people see that and try it ☻
[17:02] <ogra_> LOL
[17:02] <esigolo> is possible to create a virtual machine with ubuntu-touch?
[17:03] <esigolo> I'm forced to use windows 7 to work
[17:03] <ogra_> esigolo, i think there is some work going on to get a qemu emulator working
[17:03] <ogra_> and if it is only for testing your apps oyu should be able to install unity8 in an x86 ubuntu install in a vm
[17:03] <esigolo> ogra_: you know where can i get more information about it?
[17:04] <ogra_> on the mailing list ... or wait until monday, then sergiusens  is back
[17:04] <ogra_> he works with someone from the community who sent the patches for this
[17:05] <esigolo> okay
[17:05] <esigolo> found this also http://askubuntu.com/questions/259338/is-there-an-ubuntu-touch-emulator-or-a-way-to-install-it-in-a-vm
[17:05] <ogra_> it isnt done yet
[17:06] <ogra_> but if it is only for UI stuff an x86 install with unity8 on top and running should be fine
[17:06] <esigolo> thanks
[17:06] <zoopster> doomlord: that's running on the desktop, yes
[17:30] <AskUbuntu> i have a software that works on ubuntu 12.10 desktop. can it work on ubuntu touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/310722
[17:35] <esigolo> do you guys know if it is possible to set a diferent date for one user session only on linux?
[17:56] <dixeflatline> yo
[17:56] <popey> word
[17:56] <dixeflatline> how goes it
[18:00] <popey> tickety boo
[18:01] <dixeflatline> thats good?  haha
[18:02] <dixeflatline> is there a way to increase the notification volume?
[18:06] <mhall119> does anybody else in the UK say "tickety boo", or is it just popey ?
[18:07] <dixeflatline> haha i had to google that
[18:08] <dixeflatline> didnt know that was a saying
[18:14] <popey> mhall119: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzVCahrtaWI
[18:14] <popey> imagine me doing that whenever you hear me say "Tickety Boo"
[18:14] <mhall119> popey: heh
[18:25] <rsalveti> Saviq: mzanetti: bug 1193070
[18:25] <netcurli> mhall119, popey: can either of you help me by confirming this bug and telling me where to report it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5781869/
[18:28] <Saviq> rsalveti, thanks
[18:28] <mhall119> netcurli: confirmed with the sample program you provided
[18:28] <mhall119> but it doesn't happen with other apps
[18:29] <netcurli> the webview seems to have a problem when it is hidden the whole time
[18:29] <mhall119> ah, interesting
[18:29] <mhall119> without the webview, or if you make it visible, it doesn't segfault?
[18:30] <netcurli> yes
[18:30] <netcurli> I have the problem in my podcast client where I have a webview in a page and I get the segfault when I don't open this page
[18:30] <netcurli> and close the app again
[19:14] <davmor2> meh update today seems to of wiped out most of the apps from working on the galaxy nexus, looks like it might be the indicator system at fault, do we know when the apps will update to the new system?
[19:21] <pmcgowan> davmor2, apps are all working for me, what are you seeing
[19:24] <davmor2> pmcgowan: Frequently Used apps is populated, I see camera phone gallery fb browser gmail, installed is blank squares, available for download is populated,  if I search for terminal I get a blank square that doesn't launch anything
[19:24] <pmcgowan> davmor2, it is as you say
[19:24] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:25] <davmor2> pmcgowan: basically if I can't see it in the launcher or in the apps page I can't launch it
[19:25] <pmcgowan> yeah weird
[19:25] <davmor2> pmcgowan: camera isn't working , calendar crashes the phone
[19:25] <pmcgowan> and searching backs out the running apps
[19:25] <pmcgowan> davmor2, camera ok for me
[19:26] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I just get a white page
[19:26] <pmcgowan> bah
[19:27] <davmor2> oh hang on there are some updates
[19:30] <davmor2> nope still the same
[19:32] <davmor2> pmcgowan: also very oddly notes seems to be opening 2 application in the overview page
[19:33] <mhall119> Document Viewer team meeting starting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[19:34] <pmcgowan> davmor2, looking very buggymjust froze for me
[19:35] <davmor2> pmcgowan: Yay!!!! well at least I'm not the only one
[19:58] <kenz_> guyz
[19:58] <kenz_> please let me know how too install ubuntu on to live with walkman
[19:59] <kenz_> quit?
[19:59] <kenz_> any boys here?
[19:59] <morphis> awe: ping
[20:00] <kenz_> cool
[20:00] <kenz_> dude how to root sony live with walkman into ubuntu touc
[20:00] <kenz_> ubuntu touch
[20:01] <popey> kenz_: dont think that's a supported device yet
[20:02] <kenz_> popey
[20:02] <kenz_> its not supported?
[20:02] <kenz_> Popey
[20:02] <kenz_> is that because BSD has not been released to android?
[20:02] <popey> i don't see it on this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:02] <kenz_> i too dint see it
[20:02] <kenz_> wat to do
[20:03] <popey> ask your friendly neighbourhood geek to port for you ☻
[20:03] <kenz_> even the boot screen is not appearing
[20:04] <kenz_> actually by holding down the volume low button and plugin in the usb would keep the phone on flash mode
[20:04] <kenz_> now being into ubuntu its not happening
[20:04] <kenz_> lights change green/blue
[20:04] <kenz_> wat to do
[20:04] <popey> nobody has ported it yet though, so gettin into flashing mode wont help
[20:05] <kenz_> atleast help me tp do start it
[20:05] <kenz_> i will be the ONE ;)
[20:07] <kenz_> ok...in that case i will be tow
[20:07] <kenz_> i will be tow
[20:07] <kenz_> i will check back the space later :)
[20:07] <kenz_> thanks popey
[20:08] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, just to confirm, I should be able to dd the bootimg from recovery to the partition that has the boot label right?
[20:08] <stgraber> ogra_: (just making plans for the upgrader proof of concept)
[20:16] <awe> morphis, we discussed ofono priorities this afternoon.  Our preference would be for you to tackle a bug first, them move on to taking one or more work items
[20:16] <ogra_> stgraber, right ... note that there are as many names for the boot partition as there are for userdata
[20:17] <awe> there's a SMS related bug I'm trying to find that deals with implementing support for SMS error reports that would be a good starting point.
[20:17] <awe> then if that goes OK, USSD support would be a follow-on...
[20:17] <stgraber> ogra_: recovery images are device-specific right?
[20:18] <johnjohn101> will touch work on a nexus 7?  i might be able to get one.
[20:18] <morphis> awe: fine for me
[20:18] <ogra_> stgraber, they contain kernel and initrd, so yes
[20:18] <ogra_> johnjohn101, yes
[20:19] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, good, so won't be a problem if we hardcode the paths in there then ;)
[20:19] <johnjohn101> org_:  is it stable enough to try now? or should I wait until october?
[20:19] <awe> morphis, OK I'll assign you the bug(s)
[20:20] <morphis> awe: ok
[20:20] <lenios_> johnjohn101, you should wait
[20:20] <stgraber> ogra_: oh yeah and that's where we'll have slangasek's partition tables too so yeah, definitely hardware specific so definitely ok to hardcode the path to the various partitions and use that for flashing/updating
[20:20] <ogra_> stgraber, you should be able to pulll the info over from the android system at build time of the recovery
[20:20] <johnjohn101> lenios_:  so mid october when 13.10 is released?
[20:20] <lenios_> maybe
[20:21] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, I expect so, after all they also do boot.img updates from their stuff
[20:21] <ogra_> right
[20:21] <awe> morphis, https://bugs.launchpad.net/phone-app/+bug/1089431
[20:21] <ogra_> the exact naming should be in the updater-script from the system image
[20:22] <morphis> awe: will have a look
[20:22] <awe> ok
[20:23] <morphis> awe: hm, so we're not handling the error rild returns
[20:24] <awe> morphis, I haven't looked at the code in awhile... but that's what sergio seemed to think was the problem
[20:25] <awe> it sounds like the failure code is not passed back correctly to the core ofono code
[20:25] <awe> also, while you're looking at that code, there are a couple of driver functions that have been defined, but don't work
[20:26] <awe> .sca_query, .sca_set
[20:26] <awe> and cgsms_query/set
[20:26] <awe> I didn't look to see whether or not RILD supports these functions, but if it does, it'd be nice to clean these up and make sure they work properly
[20:27] <morphis> for sure
[20:36] <jdstrand> ChickenCutlass: hey, to use --flipped, should I also use -b?
[20:36] <ChickenCutlass> jdstrand, no
[20:36] <jdstrand> ok
[20:36] <jdstrand> thanks
[20:36] <ChickenCutlass> np
[20:37] <jdstrand> ChickenCutlass: you're instructions were quite clear, I was just being too clever in my head :)
[20:37] <jdstrand> your*
[20:57] <mfisch> mhall119: victor asked me if the demo scope was tried on the phone, but I didnt know if that was even possible yet
[20:58] <mhall119> mfisch: we'd have to build it on arm, but it should be possible
[20:58] <mfisch> mhall119: I can build it on arm, but I confess ignorance on running it on a phone
[20:59] <mhall119> mfisch: so the problem right now is that the phablet images don't have searching enabled on the home lens
[20:59] <mfisch> mhall119: ok
[20:59] <mhall119> so even if it was working, there would be no way to try it
[21:00] <mfisch> thats what I was worried about, I'd not seen the scopes running before
[21:00] <mfisch> let me at least make sure it builds
[21:03] <mhall119> they'll run
[21:04] <mhall119> mfisch: sorry, my router had to be rebooted
[21:05] <mhall119> mfisch: so I have multiple scopes running, I just can't use them
[21:05] <mfisch> mhall119: ok, well like I said I'll check that it compiles and doesn't immediately fault
[21:05] <mfisch> mhall119: when that feature is working, please let me know if the scope i wrote works or not
[21:06] <mhall119> mfisch: will do
[21:06] <mhall119> no idea when searching on home will be enabled though
[21:06] <mfisch> okay, I'll let victor know
[21:20] <mhall119> rickspencer3: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/meet-reddgur-ubuntu-touch-aimed-reddit-image-browsing-utility :)
[21:21]  * rickspencer3 looks
[21:21] <rickspencer3> mhall119, looks like they didn't discover press and hold
[21:21] <mhall119> that one took me a while to find too, and quite by accident
[21:23] <rickspencer3> :)
[21:23] <rickspencer3> I was thinking about making the first panel instructions
[21:23] <rickspencer3> some of the jokes make sense without the titles
[22:42] <Minste> I need my phone to be as stable as possible for daily use, but what container type (flipped/unflipped) will you say is the best? I'm running mako.
[22:57] <k1l> hmm, dont know if its stable enough for daily use so far?
[22:59] <dixeflatline> i been using mine for a few days.
[23:00] <dixeflatline> basic but works
[23:01] <Minste> k1l: I have used it for some days, and its stable enough for daily use for me. Tested the flipped last time, and all went good until i ran upgrade. Hereafter I will test everything on my maguro before flashing/install on my mako.
[23:06] <pmcgowan> Minste, the flipped images will become default next week, probably wait until then to switch
[23:07] <Minste> pmcgowan: okay, thanks :)


[13:58] <mup> PR snapd#11321 opened: Fix issue with snapshot restoring on CentOS <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11321>