[06:29] <avi__> how to run strace on click package? run it on qmlscene dosnt work. i got this "connection to Mir server failed "
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <seb128> hey dholbach
[07:26] <dholbach> hey seb128
[07:58] <mardy> seb128: glad to see that I'm not the only one being confused by the latest blog posts about GU
[08:00] <seb128> mardy, :-)
[09:21] <dpm> popey, do you have a fat package with amd64 for dekko?
[09:22] <DanChapman>  dpm do you want a fat or just an amd64 click?
[09:22] <dpm> hey DanChapman!
[09:23] <dpm> DanChapman, actually I'm just after an amd64 click
[09:23] <dpm> either would do
[09:24] <DanChapman> dpm morning. here is an amd64 click http://dekko-ci.cloudapp.net:8080/job/dev-trunk-build/releasetype=Release,target=amd64/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/dekko.dekkoproject_0.5.4_amd64.click
[09:24] <dpm> awesome
[09:48] <karni> zbenjamin: t1mp: not sure who would own that one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1466410
[09:49] <karni> I followed instructions on d.u.c, still didn't get the expected result when a Repeater is used to generate tabs.
[09:55] <karni> page head sections don't scroll, they just overflow when don't fit screen width
[10:00] <nik90> karni: regarding the page head sections, thats why the SDK recommends a max of 3 head sections.
[10:01] <nik90> karni: in the new design, they will start scrolling..but that will most likely be only in ubuntu.components 1.3 (wily)
[10:01] <karni> nik90: yes, I know they recommend. it should be _requirement_ if it's not more flexible ;)
[10:01] <karni> nik90: I see :)
[10:01] <nik90> :)
[10:07] <karni> Is there any way I could overlay the MainView / PageStack header with a slide-in pane (full height, from the left)?
[10:07] <karni> It seems that page sections is always on top, and so is header title
[10:11] <dubstar_04> Is there a document with all the ui elements on? I know what i want to use i just don't know the name of the component.
[10:12] <karni> dubstar_04: this can be helpful https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components/
[10:13] <dubstar_04> karni Thanks. I was hoping there was something visual.
[10:14] <t1mp> dubstar_04: there is the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery, included in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples package
[10:15] <dubstar_04> like this: https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/83fb1edc-d5f3-47da-b486-a4e4e29c1cbd-59473339-35bc-48da-874f-0b8ff797194e-media/2015/04/15/sdk2-blog.jpg
[10:16] <t1mp> dubstar_04: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples && cd /usr/lib/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery && qmlscene ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml
[10:16] <DanChapman> dubstar_04: yes either search "Ubuntu UI Toolkit" in the dash or go "Tools -> Ubuntu -> Showcase gallery"  in QtCreator
[10:16] <dubstar_04> thank you.
[10:18] <DanChapman> :-)
[10:19] <dpm> popey, have you managed to install click packages on the unity 8 session? When I try myself, I get a "cannot get authentication" message, regardless of if I try it from the host or from within the session
[10:20] <dpm> DanChapman, in the meantime, as it seems I can't install .clicks on the unity8 session, do you happen to have recent .deb builds of dekko?
[10:20] <dpm> IIRC there was a PPA
[10:21] <popey> dpm: hmm, let me see, i tried your ppa when you mentioned it, noticed a couple of busted builds
[10:21]  * popey reboots
[10:21] <DanChapman> dpm: no sorry there is no debs. The ppa version was set up to build the 0.3 branch, so it's pretty old now.
[10:22] <dpm> popey, yeah, neither file manager nor clock built. I couldn't figure out why, but at least one of them looked to me to be a builder issue.
[10:23] <dpm> I'd rather install clicks, but I don't seem to be able to
[10:23] <popey> yeah, me too
[10:23] <popey> (would rather, that is)
[10:23] <popey> dpm: do you get the swipe tutorial every time you login to unity8?
[10:24] <dpm> DanChapman, no worries. Is the development branch imported into LP. I could trigger a daily build on a PPA from that
[10:24] <popey> dpm: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/core_apps_daily_clicks/  btw
[10:24] <dpm> popey, yeah, I get the swipe tutorial too, I reported it and listed it as known issues here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[10:24] <popey> ok
[10:25] <DanChapman> karni, can't you just raise the slide in panels z order to get it to go over the top of the title & sections?
[10:25] <dpm> popey, ah, cool, will grab them from there. But it wasn't clear to me: can you or can you not install clicks on your own unity8 session?
[10:26] <karni> DanChapman: tried that. set z: 100, title & sections still on top of it. I tried to put an element outside of MainView (regardless if that was a good idea in context of rotation), but that got a syntax error.
[10:26] <popey> dpm: yeah, booting now, not got to that yet
[10:26] <dpm> ah, no worries
[10:26] <DanChapman> dpm, I would need to sort out the install paths first. It's only setup for click installs atm
[10:28] <dpm> DanChapman, no worries. If click installs are busted in the unity8 session, then we can also wait until they're fixed. I was just very impatient to test dekko on a big monitor alongside the other core apps ;)
[10:28] <popey> dpm: I get "Failed to obtain authentication"
[10:28] <dpm> popey, same here
[10:28] <popey> you're using pkcon, right?
[10:28] <dpm> yeah
[10:28] <popey> ah!
[10:29] <popey> "alan is not in the sudoers file"
[10:29] <popey> that wont help
[10:29] <popey> (I suspect)
[10:29] <dpm> but pkcon is executed without sudo, isn't it?
[10:29] <popey> it is
[10:29] <popey> but suggests to me something else is awry related
[10:32] <mcphail> dpm: if it is any consolation, dekko runs very well on a big monitor and standard unity7 :)
[10:32] <dpm> :-)
[10:32] <popey> looks like pkcon is failing when doing a makedev
[10:38] <dpm> popey, bug 1466432
[10:44] <DanChapman> karni, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734774/ is the only way i can get it to overlay the header fully
[10:45] <karni> DanChapman: superb, thank you :))
[11:29] <kalikiana> t1mp: small branch good for a short break https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/3guTextHandler/+merge/260970 another easy one https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/unitTestApiCheck/+merge/260348
[11:31] <kalikiana> Mirv: qt5.5.0 build fix https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/stateSaverUrlType/+merge/262319
[11:47] <Mirv> kalikiana: cool! I'm trying it out right away.
[12:07] <dubstar_04> Are there any good tutorials on QML layout? I'm getting mixed up with Columns, Rows and Anchors.
[12:09] <voldyman> how can i make the system a wireless hotspot, can't find an api for it
[12:18] <kalikiana> brendand: would you take another look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/autoPilotConverge/+merge/261658
[12:18] <kalikiana> voldyman: you can't right now
[12:22] <voldyman> kalikiana: so is there a way?
[12:23] <voldyman> just do something like os.system ?
[12:23] <kalikiana> voldyman: no, the only option I'm aware of is usb networking
[12:24] <ogra_> someone should add a toogle for that in system-settings ;)
[12:24] <ogra_> (usb i mean)
[12:24] <voldyman> usb networking?
[12:24] <kalikiana> ogra_: +1
[12:24] <kalikiana> voldyman: you know, 90s style cable plugged in :-D
[12:24] <voldyman> :/
[12:25]  * voldyman was building an "Internet of Things" applicance
[12:25] <kalikiana> voldyman: you could maybe route through ssh, depending on what you need
[12:26] <voldyman> all i wanted to do is to just have a button that it switches to hotspot mode and once the user is done with it it connects to a access point
[12:27]  * ogra_ thinks what you might want is ubuntu snappy instead :)
[12:27] <voldyman> ogra_: that won't make anything easier, or would it?
[12:28] <voldyman> snappy would be nice for updates and stuff but the API's would be the same
[12:28] <ogra_> it gives you more abilities to manage hardware access etc ... the current phone is really only designed ot be a phone ... it will swithc to a snappy base soon
[12:28] <voldyman> oh wait, how does the phone create a wifi hotspot?
[12:28] <ogra_> also snap packages are way more flecible (but also more restrcited) than click packlages
[12:28] <voldyman> kalikiana: IIRC you work on ubuntu phone for your day job?
[12:29] <kalikiana> voldyman: yeah. ui toolkit/ sdk/ qml components
[12:29] <voldyman> kalikiana: do you know any person that might have dealt with something related to what i am dealing with?
[12:32] <voldyman> or point me to the ubuntu phone source code(s)
[12:32] <popey> source for which bit?
[12:33] <voldyman> the wifi manager
[12:33] <voldyman> i just need to see the part where it deals with the wifi
[12:33] <popey> https://launchpad.net/indicator-network
[12:33]  * voldyman needs to list the wifi networks available, connect to them and switch between AP mode and client mode
[12:34] <voldyman> thanks popey
[12:34] <voldyman> btw nice podcast! :)
[12:34] <kalikiana> I'm just checking the bugs.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/?field.searchtext=hotspot somehow it suggests the hotspot feature exists, yet I don't have it on my bq
[12:34] <popey> heh, thanks
[12:34] <voldyman> popey: any plans of changing the music ;)
[12:34] <popey> voldyman: i think some network manager changes are in the works based on designs from mpt
[12:35] <popey> voldyman: NEVER!
[12:35] <voldyman> :)
[12:37] <voldyman> hey guys i only see include files no implementation, src folder is empty, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-network/trunk.15.10/files/head:/src/connectivity-api/connectivity-cpp/
[12:38] <Mirv> kalikiana: that fix seems good to land, even though there's still another bug that I just filed about install_plugins_qmltypes - but the fact that next bug is there means all unit tests passed (also on armhf) so that's good news
[12:39] <kalikiana> Mirv: link? I'll check the other one
[12:40] <Mirv> kalikiana: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1466484 I'm just trying a build locally so I can see what it hides with that 2> /dev/null
[12:41] <kalikiana> ah
[12:41] <kalikiana> the hotspot ui is hidden (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1421583/comments/5)
[12:43] <kalikiana> gah, gotta be careful, the nexus is so slippery
[12:45] <kalikiana> voldyman: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/files/head:/plugins/cellular/
[12:45] <voldyman> kalikiana: <3
[12:45] <kalikiana> brb
[12:48] <popey> dholbach: I have tried that offline maps app and it doesn't work (on any device). Do you have contact details for the guys, would be good to let him know.
[12:50] <dholbach> popey, I used his email address from the list - let me PM it to you
[12:51] <popey> thanks
[12:55] <Mirv> kalikiana: hmm weird, it build locally just fine, but the ALARM_BACKEND=memory /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlplugindump -notrelocatable Ubuntu.Components 0.1 ../../ failed on all archs on the PPA builders :( harder to debug at least.
[12:59] <mivoligo> dubstar_04: IMHO the best way to learn QML is to look into others code ;) Some basic video tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4utTBcSjdM&list=PLB22HyVdO1GkLFrvRi5vIo5XcWS0EflxD
[13:02] <mivoligo> dubstar_04: here's also good explanation: http://qmlbook.github.io/en/ch04/index.html#positioning-elements
[13:03] <popey> its quite alarming (huh) that clock and reminders fat packages are approximately the same size
[13:03] <dubstar_04> brilliant!! Thank you.
[13:16] <Mirv> kalikiana: updated bug #1466484 with the error gotten after removing the "2>/dev/null" from qmlplugindump.. but that doesn't happen locally :(
[13:45] <karni> DanChapman: hey buddy. I had time now to check your snippet http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734774/ - however, I'm not seeing the panel at all. am I missing something? I took your QML as is and ran that on the phone.
[13:47] <DanChapman> karni :-) you can drag it in from the left of the screen
[13:48] <DanChapman> ahh you ran it on the phone
[13:48] <karni> it seems I'm hitting the edge gesture
[13:48] <DanChapman> that would be why.
[13:48] <karni> I see
[13:49] <karni> But I can use something else than a panel, and just play with animated width
[13:49] <DanChapman> I should have just used a rectangle instead of a panel :_)
[13:49] <karni> DanChapman: silly me. that's a good start :)
[13:51] <karni> DanChapman: score :)! Thanks a lot :)
[14:11] <dpm> popey, bug 1466518 - I've marked it to medium instead of low, as while we're not using the .deb packages, people could use them to test convergent designs/behaviour on a unity7 session
[14:12] <popey> dpm: yeah, I'll take a look at that
[14:13] <dpm> popey, not urgent or anything, just a heads up that I filed the bug as we talked about it earlier
[14:13] <popey> yup yup
[14:17] <dubstar_04> I'm trying to get a layout like Column { OptionSelector {} Row {Label{} TextField{} }} and its not working.
[14:21] <ogra_> balloons, meet dubstar_04 (daniel wood from the ML  ;) )  ^^^
[14:21] <ogra_> (noticing that he still has no developer talking to him)
[14:22] <dubstar_04> ogra_ i don't understand?
[14:22] <ogra_> dubstar_04, you are daniel, or not ?
[14:23] <dubstar_04> yes, that is me?
[14:23] <ogra_> well, given the mailing list thread and your concerns yesterday that you never get an answer when asking here i thought i should push it a bit ;)
[14:24] <ogra_> dubstar_04, ballons is nicolas skaggs ...
[14:24] <ogra_> i thoguht i'd introduce you too
[14:24] <ogra_> *two
[14:25] <dubstar_04> Ah ok. I don't want to be a nuisance to the devs, I know they are all busy trying to build a new platform and don't really want bothering with my silly questions. It would be nice to get some help thought!!
[14:25] <ogra_> dubstar_04, you are no nuisance for anyone .. the reason we do development in public IRC channels is that everyone can ask questions and get help :)
[14:25] <dubstar_04> balloons is nicolas. Ok now your message makes more sense!!
[14:26] <ogra_> heh
[14:27] <ogra_> just idle a little here, i guess you'll get an answer soon
[14:28] <mcphail> dubstar_04: the other advantage of doing this in the open is complete amateurs like me can lurk and soak in the help. I'm interested in the answer to your question as I've found some components don't respect the column layout
[14:28] <mcphail> (or rather, they may respect it but I'm doing it wrong)
[14:32] <dropp> Hi. In the Ubuntu SDK Qml+C++ example; how can I get the mainView object to connect a QML signal to a C++ slot? All examples do this in  main(), which is not how the SDK example works.
[14:33] <dubstar_04> mcphail I completely understand what you mean.
[14:42] <balloons> hey guys
[14:42] <ogra_> :)
[14:43] <balloons> dubstar_04, can you paste the qml you are trying so we can figure out what's wrong?
[14:49] <nik90> dubstar_04: hey there..let me try to help as well :)
[14:50] <dropp> anyone has an idea for my question as well? :)
[14:50] <nik90> dubstar_04: best way to get help is either a sample app which you need troubleshooting or paste.ubuntu.com it
[14:51] <nik90> dropp: lol..let me create a sampel qml c++ example.
[14:51] <nik90> dropp: I presume you chose the QML App with C++ plugin (cmake) ?
[14:53] <nik90> dropp: generally if it is a public slot that you defined in your c++ plugin, you should be able to call it as pluginname.slotname()
[14:54] <dropp> nik90: yes, that's correct.
[14:54] <nik90> dropp: in the SDK template example, you see them access myType.helloWorld
[14:54] <dropp> nik90: I defined a signal in the QML file and wantto connect it to a C++ slot
[14:55] <dropp> nik90: I assumed I have to connect ot from C++?
[14:55] <nik90> if your signal is called "signal clicked()" for instance .. you could do
[14:55] <nik90> onClicked: { myType.slotFunction() }
[14:55] <nik90> this way everytime your signal is called, the c++ slot is called
[14:55] <nik90> that's one way of doing it
[14:56] <dropp> okay, will it send a signal or just call the slot?
[14:57] <nik90> well when you signal is fired, the signal will take care of calling the slot.
[14:57] <nik90> so in your qml side, you will need to ensure that your signal is called appropriately
[14:57] <dropp> nik90: let me try
[15:02] <dropp> nik90: i think it doesn't work. QML assumes when I write "onClicked: { ... }" that there is a C++ slot called clicked() (Q_PROPERTY style). This is what I get:
[15:02] <dropp> nik90: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onClicked"
[15:03] <dropp> eh sorry, I mean a C++ signal called clicked()
[15:03] <nik90> I think you're confusing between signals and slots. Slots are functions defined in the c++ plugin that you can call to perform a certain task while signals are used to tracks events.
[15:03] <nik90> i think it is better you describe what you want to do rather how to debug your issue.
[15:03] <dropp> sorry, yes, I corrected myself.
[15:04] <dubstar_04> Hi balloons I don't have it with me. Its on my machine at home. Sorry.
[15:04] <dropp> Okay, one sec
[15:04] <nik90> I mentioned that you need to define a signal() in the qml end and then use that to call the c++ plugin slot.
[15:05] <nik90> so if you didn't define the signal in your qml code, then when you try onClicked: {} it is going to complain that it is missing.
[15:07] <dropp> nik90: yes, i defined the signal via "signal clicked();"
[15:07] <dropp> nik90: consider this example: http://andrew-jones.com/blog/qml2-to-c-and-back-again-with-signals-and-slots/ there is a section called "Emitting a signal from QML and listening to it from C++"
[15:07] <dropp> nik90: this is exactly what I want to do, except that I don't have the mainView object to connect them
[15:08] <dropp> QObject::connect(window, SIGNAL(submitTextField(QString)), &handleTextField, SLOT(handleSubmitTextField(QString)));
[15:08] <dropp> I don't have the "window" object in the SDK example
[15:09] <nik90> hmm yes I see
[15:10] <dropp> It would be great if I could connect it from the QML side. I defined the signal though, yet it still complains as described above.
[15:13] <nik90> dropp: Here's what's I tried...http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735792/ ... calling the signal in the qml end worked for me
[15:32] <popey> mzanetti: meeting?
[15:34] <mzanetti> popey, coming
[15:57] <didrocks> zsombi: hey, small question about our TextField implementation. I can see in the API that we have maximumLength property as well, but it doesn't seem to do anything (contrary to the same example with QtQuick.Controls 1.3), is that known? (I'm using Ubuntu.Components 1.2)
[16:01] <didrocks> zsombi: forget me, seems to have been my bad :)
[16:06] <popey> nik90: when do you want r280 uploaded?
[16:18] <nik90> popey: that's your call
[16:19] <nik90> popey: I have a few others MPs to merge to trunk now that the update has been approved.
[16:19] <popey> nik90: oh, okay. I'll upload it in a little bit today then
[16:19] <nik90> cool
[16:19] <popey> thanks nik90
[16:20] <nik90> popey: looks like the new icon will be revealed with the update :)
[16:20] <popey> nope
[16:20] <nik90> oh :P
[16:20] <popey> I am ripping that out and rebuilding the click right now :)
[16:20] <nik90> damn it .. shouldn't have said anything. ;)
[16:20] <popey> oh, I was on it :)
[16:20] <popey> they dont want them going in retail devices till OTA5
[16:21] <popey> so I have a mental note to do this every time
[16:21]  * popey is now automating this
[16:21] <nik90> ah ok..yeah changing them all in one go with OTA-5 will provide a completely fresh experience I guess
[16:21] <popey> ya
[16:22] <rhuddie> hi, I'm looking for a way to be able to delete an sms or mms message that I receive during a test, without using the UI to do it. Is there a dbus api I can use to do this?
[16:32]  * popey hugs zbenjamin
[16:58] <popey> nik90: do you have a changelog apread prepared from r192 to r280?
[16:58] <popey> (for the store)
[16:59] <popey> there's like a thousand bugs fixed in this ㋛
[17:02]  * popey makes http://pad.ubuntu.com/ClockAppChangeLog
[17:04] <dubstar_04> balloons is your still about this is the code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736334/
[17:06] <nik90> popey: http://pad.ubuntu.com/clock-app-changelog
[17:07] <nik90> popey: wouldn't that work?
[17:08] <nik90> popey: nvr mind..I see your more compact and cleaner changelog
[17:09] <zbenjamin> popey: huh?
[17:10] <zbenjamin> popey: what was the hug for?
[17:10] <dubstar_04> could anyone tell me how to get the textfield to fill the rest of the space? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736334/
[17:10] <nik90> dubstar_04: if you give me 5 mins I can :)
[17:11] <popey> zbenjamin: just a hug of appreciation
[17:11] <DanChapman> awww
[17:11] <popey> nik90: yeah, nobody reads them anyway :)
[17:11] <dubstar_04> nik90 i'm just about to put my daughter in bed. I will be back later.  :) Quick question about the ancient click and dpkg technologies: so I'm trying to install a .click on the unity8 LXC container, which fails. Then I tried to see if it can be installed on a unity7 session, where I'm getting this error - do you happen to know why it's failing complaining about dpkg?
[17:24] <dpm> ogra_, as per http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736394/
[17:24] <ogra_> because click uses dpkg for unpacking i think
[17:25] <dpm> popey, so I gave the dekko installation another go, but this time from my unity7 session. I didn't succeed, but this time I know at least why it's stalled: it's trying to show the sudo graphical prompt and it can't
[17:25] <ogra_> i dont really know the details of click
[17:25] <nik90> balloons: btw I'm reviewing your branch..I might not understand the CMakeParserPlugin.py stuff..but I will test the whole thing out and comment in the MP
[17:25] <dpm> ogra_, nm, thank you anyway
[17:25] <ogra_> dpm, sergiusens might know more than I
[17:25] <dubstar_04> nik90 how do isend hugs??
[17:25] <dpm> sergiusens, would you be able to help with this? ^^
[17:26] <dpm> sergiusens, essentially, it's about bug 1466432
[17:26] <nik90> dubstar_04: lol..just enjoy..feel free to ping me in case you hit any other road bumps.
[17:26] <balloons> nik90, awesome.
[17:26] <balloons> more or less things should be better / easier for building and running the tests now
[17:27] <dubstar_04> are row layouts in the sdk docs?
[17:27] <nik90> balloons: ok. btw I need some help with the transition to the 15.04 framework..the AP tests are failing because the MainView is incorrectly referenced now in the clock app tests.
[17:27] <DanChapman> dubstar_04: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquicklayouts-index.html
[17:28] <nik90> dubstar_04: I don't think so..usually I just use upstream qt docs when using qt components. as simple as that.
[17:28] <dubstar_04> thanks DanChapman
[17:28] <dubstar_04> thanks nik90
[17:28] <dpm> hi jdstrand, would you be able to comment on the apparmor part of bug 1466009?
[17:29] <nik90> dubstar_04: also the upstream qt docs that DanChapman linked are very well displayed with good styling that I like very much.
[17:29] <kass117> hello . I have a bq 4.5 . how can I test my first "hello word" application using my phone .
[17:31] <nik90> kass117: hello. I suggest you take a look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/ to get started.
[17:33] <sergiusens> dpm: ogra_ nik90 i'm just guessing, but you may not have a click database initialized
[17:33] <nik90> sergiusens: ? .. I think you meant popey
[17:34] <sergiusens> nik90: maybe, I haven't really read the backlog in detail :-P
[17:34] <dpm> sergiusens, thanks. In case it's that, how do you initialize one?
[17:34] <sergiusens> nik90: btw, what happened to flashback?
[17:35] <nik90> sergiusens: its in deep slumber atm..
[17:35] <dpm> sergiusens, I did then run 'click install', as per the suggestion on the original failure message, but that didn't work either (btw, what's the recommendation, to use pkcon or click install?) -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736490/
[17:35] <nik90> sergiusens: I just felt like contributing to projects which has more than 1 person ... makes it more interesting
[17:35] <dpm> good news for podbird :-)
[17:36] <nik90> sergiusens: with flashback I got to worry about everything..and also it required massive rewrite due to API v2 and local data caching.
[17:36] <nik90> dpm: ;)
[17:38] <popey> nik90: shame really, flashback is one of those apps we loved to show off to people
[17:38] <sergiusens> dpm: pkcon install won't work unless you have the right security polkit bits setup
[17:38] <popey> sergiusens: That's what we're missing - and no idea how to set that up
[17:38] <sergiusens> popey: dpm https://click.readthedocs.org/en/latest/databases.html
[17:39] <nik90> popey: hopefully podbird will take over that need
[17:39] <popey> podbird is also awesome of course :)
[17:40] <dpm> sergiusens, and on the question of using pkcon install-local vs. click install? What's the recommended tool?
[17:40] <popey> well, given running click tells you to run pkcon :)
[17:41] <popey> it feels like there's some fu being done on the click based touch images which isn't being done on the unity8lxc image
[17:41] <sergiusens> popey: dpm you would need to setup the polkit rules, check the phone, under /etc/polkit something
[17:42] <sergiusens> popey: dpm and I think the right bits for polkit are in lxc-android-config
[17:43] <dpm> popey, well, what confused me was the other way round: pkcon tells you to use click: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736394/
[17:43] <dpm> L24
[17:44] <popey> thats a red herring
[17:44] <popey> dodgy click package IMO
[17:44] <popey> you need to be doing the install inside the container
[17:44] <popey> oh, you are?
[17:45] <dpm> popey, I tried it inside the container, it failed on "Waiting for authentication". Then I tried outside to see if it'd work (I didn't expect it to), and that's that pastebin ^
[17:46] <popey> waiting on authentication is basically "where's the sudo prompt"
[17:46] <dpm> exactly
[17:46] <dpm> and it shows the prompt on a unity7 session, but not on a unity8 one
[17:46] <popey> if you do it via ssh then use the unity8-setup maint thing, it _does_ prompt you for your sudo password
[17:46] <popey> just not from inside the terminal on the machine
[17:46] <popey> not sure how you're getting a graphical prompt
[17:47] <dpm> popey, I'm not sure why you're using unity8-setup to install clicks
[17:47] <popey> because I had no terminal on it
[17:47] <dpm> popey, you mean lxc-console
[17:47] <popey> so ssh'ed in to the machine than used the unity8 script to get "into" the lxc
[17:47] <popey> yes
[17:48] <dpm> ok, gotcha.
[17:48] <dpm> yeah, I've tried all these options
[17:48] <popey> but, I agree with sergiusens, we need the polkit bits
[17:48] <dpm> seems like it, yes
[17:48] <dpm> sergiusens, does this look like what would be needed to have installed? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736562/
[17:49] <dpm> doesn't seem to list any polkit rules, though
[17:50] <popey> yeah, no mention of PolicyKit or polkit through the source package
[17:51] <dpm> the policykit-1 package seems to include the contents of what's under /etc/polkit
[17:59] <kalikiana> I wonder if you could take a look if I'm missing something here... https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/orientationManual/+merge/254753 I can't make tests/autopilot/ubuntuuitoolkit/tests/components/test_popover.py work, it reliably hits the wrong button, small instead of huge, that is true even if I replace the test case so it's not
[17:59] <kalikiana> a simple race condition
[17:59] <kalikiana> ^^ brendand
[18:33] <sergiusens> popey: looking at the phone now, but yeah, polkit bits are gone
[19:39] <nik90> balloons: commented on your MR. minor confusion but otherwise looks good.
[19:41] <balloons> nik90, for your paste, how did you build it?
[19:43] <nik90> balloons: on a vivid desktop
[19:44] <balloons> I meant the location. You still have to build it; it simply doesn't matter where you do so
[19:44] <nik90> balloons: I called cmake and make right from the root directory without creating any special builddir
[19:44] <balloons> nik90, ahh indeed
[19:45] <nik90> balloons: reading your MP description, I got the impression that a special builddir wasn't necessary. I am fine with it, just wondering if that's what you expected.
[19:46] <balloons> nik90, I expected you to be able to build in whatever folder you wish
[19:46] <balloons> so you are correct.
[19:47] <nik90> ok
[19:48] <balloons> let me merge trunk and check
[19:49] <nik90> dubstar_04: you might want to use paste.ubuntu.com to paste stuff.
[19:50] <balloons> queue bzr love
[19:51] <balloons> nik90, indeed so something isn't quite right. I guess I should look closer
[19:52] <nik90> balloons: if you want you could do that in the next MP and let this be only about the Emulators.py to __init.py__ change
[19:52] <balloons> nik90, ohh lol, I see the issue. Curious how that got reverted
[19:52] <nik90> ah cool
[19:53] <balloons> boom works.. let me try a few different ways of building to make doubly sure
[19:53] <nik90> ok...ping me when you're done and I will test and approve.
[19:53] <nik90> also changelog pls :)
[19:54] <balloons> I updated the changelog already so ;-)
[19:56] <nik90> karni: hey, I know you are EOD, but pls do ping me tomorrow when you're free.
[19:56] <karni> nik90: I'm not EOD :) what's up?
[19:56]  * karni still @work
[19:56] <nik90> karni: oh .. you work late ;)
[19:56] <karni> I'm quite busy these days
[19:57] <nik90> karni: anyway I wanted to help migrate telegram over to ubuntu-sdk-15.04 in order to use the new sdk listitems. It will greatly help with performance issues IMO.
[19:57] <nik90> karni: however I seem to be out of touch with the whole building and testing telegram. I might need help with that.
[20:09] <balloons> nik90, so how do things work now if you use the SDK to build the app?
[20:10] <balloons> nik90, basically the changes mean the tests read the cmakelists.txt.user file and find the build dir. Then go looking inside of it for what needs to be launched. I noticed when the SDK does it's out of tree build, things seem a bit off
[20:12] <nik90> balloons: What do you mean by using the sdk to build the app? I just open the cmakelist which it then uses to build the app and deploy to the phone to run it.
[20:13] <balloons> nik90, I simply meant, rather than using cmake from the command line, instead let the sdk build it
[20:13]  * balloons compares
[20:13] <nik90> balloons: ah ok..hmm I could try that..
[20:13] <balloons> that doesn't seem to work as it doesn't put the qml in the build folder
[20:14] <nik90> balloons: I know that when I build stuff using the SDK, it creates a builddir outside my project directory and goes about its buisness
[20:14] <balloons> yea.. weird, it looks the same
[20:14] <balloons> ok
[20:14] <nik90> yea at some point my cmake understanding goes out of the window when it does stuff like that
[20:14] <balloons> lol
[20:15] <nik90> shall I start to test your branch?
[20:15] <nik90> all pushed
[20:15] <nik90> ?
[20:15] <balloons> 1 sec
[20:15] <balloons> pushed rev 288
[20:15]  * nik90 tests
[20:17] <balloons> argh, bzr keeps wiping my stuff
[20:29] <balloons> nik90, I can say it's not doing what I want it to
[20:29] <nik90> balloons: it works from root, but when I create a builddir it fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737282/
[20:30] <nik90> it seems unable to find the c++ plugin DateTime
[20:32] <balloons> so basically I can change the default to 'builddir' again
[20:33] <nik90> yeah I suppose :P
[20:34] <balloons> nik90, but that said.. I don't see any binaries or qml in the build dir. I think this is incorrect
[20:35] <nik90> balloons: I see the binaries in the builddir though..all 3 of them
[20:35] <dubstar_04> how can i get data from a model of an OptionSelector when i have the selected index?
[20:35] <balloons> nik90, maybe it just hates me. Where are they?
[20:35] <nik90> balloons: inside builddir/backend/plugin-name/*.so
[20:36] <nik90> dubstar_04: sec, /me checks api
[20:38] <nik90> dubstar_04: can you provide code with the optionselector..I don't see any obvious API methods for it..but can give it a shot
[20:38] <nik90> balloons: but I don't see qml code..the qml folders are just filled .cmake files
[20:38] <balloons> nik90, right.. I think I've got things sorted now
[20:39] <dubstar_04> nik90 i expected it to be something like OptionSelector.model.index.name
[20:40] <nik90> dubstar_04: may be its something with get() .. I used this a long long time ago..may be I should dig up old clock app code to check ;P
[20:41] <nik90> popey: erm -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1466648
[20:43] <nik90> popey: probably that's why the fat package was fat indeed
[20:43] <balloons> nik90, ok, I feel good about this: rev 290
[20:43]  * nik90 updates and tests
[20:50] <dubstar_04> nik90 I've don it now. model.get(Index).data
[20:50] <nik90> balloons: I'm afraid it fails with the builddir..http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737376/
[20:50] <dubstar_04> I had model in a seperate QML file and it wasnt working
[20:50] <nik90> dubstar_04: ah awesome man..I suspected get() .. but wasn't sure
[21:16] <dropp> nik90: sorry for the delay. It works now! :) Thank you!
[21:16] <dropp> I forgot to put the "page." before test()
[21:17] <dropp> in "page.test()" that is
[21:17] <dropp> thanks again and bb
[21:28] <ahoneybun> is there a way to pull information (html) from a site and display it a custom way?
[21:58] <dubstar_04> Anyone awake to help with publishing apps?
[21:59] <nik90> dubstar_04: sup again ;)
[21:59] <dubstar_04> I have these errors: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/L5QryBwOHRHW_DTf6i6W033coI2z-HrPqaFbIPS5W-4X=w1074-h671-no
[21:59] <nik90> dubstar_04: which button did you press? validate existing click package or build and validate click?
[21:59] <nik90> dubstar_04: also do you have a source zip somewhere I can test on my local machine
[22:00] <dubstar_04> build and validate
[22:01] <nik90> dubstar_04: frankly no idea why you see that. want me to test and build you a click?
[22:02] <dubstar_04> I will send you a zip but i would rather know what was going wrong and build the click myself.
[22:02] <nik90> dubstar_04: well I can atleast confirm it is not an issue with your click and help you debug
[22:15] <nik90> dubstar_04: https://imgur.com/gVoAae5
[22:17] <dubstar_04> do i need to change the name?
[22:18] <nik90> dubstar_04: not sure..I am opening the askubuntu link shown for more info..
[22:18] <nik90> https://askubuntu.com/questions/417371/what-does-functional-qml-applicationname-matches-manifest-mean/417372
[22:19] <nik90> it seems correct to me
[22:19] <nik90> not sure why it is complaining
[22:19] <nik90> although when running on the phone, the UI is a bit messed up
[22:19]  * nik90 takes a screenshot
[22:21] <nik90> https://imgur.com/OASYfEt
[22:21] <nik90> it seems the width is not respected, causing stuff to be cut out
[22:21] <dubstar_04> what would cause that?
[22:23] <nik90> normally when you run on the phone, it should dynamically adjust the appplication size to the phone dimensions.
[22:23] <nik90> dubstar_04: I am going to create a new project and copy files over to see if it fixed it.
[22:23] <nik90> then we look at the code diff to spot the mistake
[22:23] <dubstar_04> cool thanks
[22:28] <dubstar_04> nik90 what if you change the name in the manifest to MachinistsMate.marthamengineering
[22:28] <dubstar_04> with capitals?
[22:29]  * nik90 tries
[22:31] <nik90> dubstar_04: I created a sample project where I called it machinistmatenik90.nik90 and that worked..
[22:31] <nik90> changing the capitals didnt help
[22:31] <nik90> with my sample project the width is not respected either when I copied over your code
[22:31] <nik90> frankly this is puzzling and annoying :P
[22:32] <dubstar_04> I think I might have to leave it tonight. I'm up for work in 5 hrs. Thanks for all the help.
[22:33] <nik90> dubstar_04: same gtg sleep.
[22:33] <nik90> dubstar_04: will check tomorrow when I find time
[22:34] <nik90> dubstar_04: found it!
[22:34] <dubstar_04> Thanks again.
[22:42] <balloons> nik90, sorry crazy storm and power outage
[22:42] <nik90> balloons: where is this adventurous place do you live in ?
[22:43] <balloons> the US ;p
[22:44] <nik90> not sure if you got my msgs before the storm
[22:44] <nik90> balloons: rev 290 AP tests fail when using builddir I am afraid.
[22:44] <nik90> .http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737376/
[22:44] <balloons> nik90, yes I saw. It's weird because it worked for me, but not on a fresh checkout. I do get why it doesn't work tho
[22:45] <nik90> balloons: hmm not on a fresh checkout..seems like bzr is messing with you then
[22:45] <balloons> nik90, so what we can do is support builddir, or the sdk.. which is an improvement from before
[22:46] <balloons> but, not any arbitrary directory
[22:46] <nik90> balloons: its your call. As long as the README files instructions are up to date we should be fine.
[22:46] <nik90> the only reason I am not a fan of building in the root dir is to avoid getting it dirty
[22:47] <nik90> which is why we used the builddir setup
[22:47] <balloons> yea.. I just wanted to support any arbitrary directory
[22:47] <balloons> so you didn't have to say 'builddir'
[22:47] <balloons> but the sdk support is really nice, so
[22:48] <nik90> hmm true
[22:49] <nik90> dropp: before you left I was about to say that the method described in the blog post you linked seems like a better way of doing things and that you should get the help of someone else here to figure that out.
[22:50] <dropp> nik90: sorry, i had to go... i found another site showing even more advanced ways of connecting (from QML)
[22:50] <nik90> dropp: can you paste the link here. I'll like to learn as well
[22:50] <dropp> nik90: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qmlevents.html
[22:50] <dropp> it features a .connect() from QML
[22:50] <balloons> nik90, ok, pushed rev 291. This should let you build with SDK, and it will find the directory and use it, or use builddir
[22:51] <balloons> really sad we don't generate a file we can parse via cmake otherwise
[22:51] <nik90> balloons: so I build using the sdk and then run the tests from the terminal as usual?
[22:51] <balloons> the sdk creates one..
[22:51] <balloons> nik90, yep you can do that.. Or follow the readme
[22:52] <balloons> if Akiva finishes his plugin soon, you'll be all set to run them as a run config in the SDK
[22:52] <dropp> nik90: however, it seems that the signal/slot mechanism is not asynchronous, which was the whole point for me to use it
[22:52] <nik90> balloons: ok. Can I test this tomorrow and then top-approve? Its late here now
[22:53] <balloons> nik90, yep for sure. So for the messup.. I thought it was all ready to go
[22:53] <balloons> seems my original tree was a little corrupted or something.. an extra build I guess, that let things work when they shouldn't have :-)
[22:53] <nik90> balloons: no worries, btw I am noticing test fails in my 15.04 transition branch ... they pass locally on my machine.
[22:54] <balloons> nik90, test fails on?
[22:54] <nik90> balloons: test fails on jenkins
[22:54] <dropp> I have an issue with QAudioRecorder. Sometimes (on the Desktop -- most times on the Nexus4) .start() or .stop() does not return and hangs indefinitely. I was hoping to still have a responsive UI this way...
[22:54] <balloons> nik90, ahh.. right.. qml tests I assume?
[22:54] <nik90> balloons: yes
[22:54] <balloons> nik90, I'll look tomorrow at them as well
[22:55] <balloons> wow that sentence
[22:55] <nik90> balloons: ok. I don't want to delay landing features due to testing infrastrcuture .. we can always get back to them later.
[22:55] <nik90> ;P
[22:56] <nik90> alrite I am off to sleep..tty tomorrow.
[22:56] <dropp> gn nik90
[22:56] <nik90> dropp: gnite
[22:57] <dropp> Anyone knows whether or not there is a way to asynchronously call a C++ function from QML? Sort of like fire and forget.
[22:58] <dropp> Because right now, my GUI becomes unresponsive once the QAudioRecorder functions don't return for whatever reason...
[23:00] <dropp> Hmm
[23:01] <dropp> Is QAudioRecorder known to be buggy? It seems quite weird that this happens...


[00:43] <britt> can someone take a look at bug 1132033 for me
[00:46] <darkxst> britt, you need to re-enable the background plugin
[00:46] <britt> how do I do that exactly?
[00:46] <darkxst> dconf-editor
[00:46] <britt> and why does it turn off only with fglrx?
[00:47] <britt> with OS drivers, without touching any dconf settings, it works great
[00:47] <darkxst> no idea, but if you have ubuntu-settings installed then it will be disabled
[00:48] <britt> I dont
[00:48] <darkxst> check org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background
[00:48] <britt> I dont think it's a plugin issue. Because when I have fglrx installed and I toggle file manager handling desktop it alternates working normally and not
[00:49] <britt> well I dont have fglrx installed but it says it is active
[00:49] <britt> would fglrx disable that?
[00:49] <britt> that would be odd
[00:49] <darkxst> don't think so
[00:49] <darkxst> but I dont use fglrx
[00:50] <britt> is it possible that there is some incompatibility between the new gnome-shell package that we have and fglrx? Because using gnome-shell 3.6 on 12.10 worked great.
[00:50] <britt> Because I can point out two other bugs with the current version of gnome-shell
[00:51] <darkxst> britt, which version are you using?
[00:51] <darkxst> and what are the other 2 bugs?
[00:51] <britt> I'm using 13.04 raring dev, and running gnome shell <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[00:52] <britt> and the two bugs are bug 1131104, and another where with dual monitors theres about a 50pixel region on the bottom where the mouse gets hung up on the main monitor
[00:54] <britt> and by "hung" up, I mean that in the notification region on the main monitor I cannot pan to the second monitor. It gets stuck on the screen edge
[00:56] <darkxst> first is a pointer barrier
[00:56] <darkxst> I though it had been removed but maybe that happened in 3.7
[00:56] <britt> perhaps
[00:56] <darkxst> its the same height as the messagetray?
[00:57] <britt> yes exactly the same
[00:57] <britt> though the barrier is up whether the message tray is showing or not
[00:58] <britt> the other bug was where AM/PM time is not working
[00:58] <britt> it is only showing 24 hour time, no matter how it is set in "Date and Time Settings"
[01:00] <darkxst> is there a launchpad bug for the barrier thing? I will backport the patch
[01:01] <britt> no I didn't report that one. Would you like me to?
[01:01] <darkxst> yes
[01:01] <britt> ok give me a few min for the bug report to upload
[01:02] <britt> do you know anything about the AM/PM clock issue?
[01:02] <darkxst> no, but its working fine in 3.7
[01:03] <britt> is raring sticking with 3.6 or will 3.8 make it into the gnome-3ppa?
[01:03] <darkxst> the ISO's will be 3.6
[01:03] <darkxst> but 3.8 will be available via gnome3-staging ppa
[01:03] <darkxst> ^are
[01:04] <britt> that's good, though I know a lot of people that use this version of ubuntu don't use the ppa
[01:04] <britt> which means that gnome-shell-3.6 needs to get the bugs worked out :-/
[01:06] <britt> ok the cursor barrier is bug 1132308
[01:16] <britt> well I hope the AM/PM issue and the fglrx issue get fixed by launch. That would be unfortunate if they weren't
[01:16] <britt> I dont know what I can do to help though
[01:17] <jbicha> britt: could you report the time bug too?
[01:18] <britt> that one is reported bug 1131104
[01:24] <darkxst> brit is time broken on screenshield also?
[01:25] <jbicha> darkxst: gnome-shell 3.7.90 is in the staging PPA if you want to see if that improves the login transition for you
[01:26] <darkxst> jbicha, that patch that fixes that landed after .90
[01:27] <britt> is the gnome-shell package in 13.04 the same as in 12.10?
[01:27] <darkxst> britt, mostly yes
[01:27] <britt> or at least in the gnome3 ppa for 12.10?
[01:27] <britt> hrm, in 12.10 I didn't have any of these same bugs
[01:27] <britt> does that mean that the issue is in a different package?
[01:28] <darkxst>  is the clock working in the screenshield?
[01:29] <darkxst> looks like the time is pulled straight from gnome-desktop
[01:29] <britt> is that the same as the lockscreen? Both the login screen and the lock screen show the same 24 hour time, regardless of the settings in date and time
[01:29] <darkxst> settings panel display correct though?
[01:30] <britt> yes in the settings panel the toggle switch is set to AM/PM
[01:30] <britt> and it shows it in am/pm in the settings panel
[01:31] <britt> though the actually top panel/lock screen/login screen all show 24 hour time
[01:31] <darkxst> try this in lg
[01:31] <darkxst> wc = new imports.gi.GnomeDesktop.WallClock()
[01:31] <darkxst> wc.clock
[01:31] <britt> where should I paste that coad?
[01:31] <britt> code*
[01:35] <darkxst> Alt+F2, lg
[01:37] <britt> all that did was print me the date and time (in 24 hour time)
[01:37] <darkxst> so gnome-desktop is broken
[01:37] <darkxst> no gnome-shell
[01:38] <darkxst> or perhaps g-s-d
[01:38] <britt> I dont know :-/
[01:39] <britt> dconf shows 12h time, so whatever it is isn't listening to dconf
[01:39] <britt> the other settings are working though like "show second" and "show date"
[01:40] <darkxst> perhaps this https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690703
[01:41] <britt> is there a way we can pull in that fix?
[01:41] <darkxst> sure
[01:41] <britt> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=0940370f82730359a7771aae750136e3fe6bfaa9
[01:42] <britt> seems like it's just a boolean value set incorrectly
[01:42] <britt> at least from what I am reading
[01:44] <britt> hey I made progress on the fgrlx issue in gnome-shell
[01:44] <britt> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56657
[01:44] <britt> apparently it is attributed to cairo
[01:47] <britt> fglrx (and apparently xf86-video-intel also) and cairo 1.12.6 aren't playing nicely
[01:47] <britt> they reported rolling back to cairo 1.12.2 fixes the issue
[01:48] <britt> hrm it looks like we are on 1.12.14
[01:48] <britt> ugh
[01:49] <britt> well maybe a newer fglrx version will work. they're still running a super outdated build which is crap
[01:52] <darkxst> fglrx is just crap ;)
[01:54] <britt> lol I know. I need it for my graphics card to do anything remotely usefull with 3d though. And 12.10 and fglrx worked fine together
[01:54] <britt> and the 13.1 drivers were supposed to make things better, but for some reason ubuntu refuses to upgrade fglrx, even in the fglrx-updates package which is MEANT for updates lol
[01:56] <britt> well if the issue is with cairo...then I have no clue on who would help fix this bug
[01:56] <darkxst> britt, attach the upstream bug to your report
[01:57] <britt> I am. Can you possible bring in the cairo and the fglrx people to the bug report? I cannot change it's status
[01:58] <darkxst> britt, you should be able to add them using "also affects distribution"
[02:00] <britt> nice thank you. I didn't know I could do that
[02:02] <britt> well hopefully that gets worked out. TBH i'm hoping that a new fglrx version will work the issue out passively
[02:02] <britt> we'll see
[02:02] <britt> is there anything else I should do for the other two bugs or do you and jbicha have it?
[02:02] <darkxst> britt, you could try fglrx on xorg-edgers ppa
[02:03] <darkxst> britt, looking at clock thing now, that other patch doesnt apply in 3.6
[02:04] <britt> ergh
[02:05] <britt> I did use the xorg-edgers ppa, it's the same issue. They're also running the same fglrx version (though it's marked as beta6, so I dont know what that is)
[02:05] <darkxst> it should be the latest fglrx available
[02:05] <britt> thank you for looking into these issues. I, and quite possibly everyone, greatly appreciate your help
[02:05] <britt> it isn't unfortunately
[02:06] <darkxst> britt, you could ask ricotz next time he is around
[02:06] <britt> maybe theres probems with newer fglrx versions and they're holding off on it. Is rocotz an amd user?
[02:07] <britt> ooh I now see hes the maintainer for the edgers ppa haha
[02:07] <darkxst> not sure, but he uploaded the fglrx
[02:07] <britt> I maybe will ask him
[02:07] <britt> he is also the uploader for cairo
[02:07] <britt> maybe I can get two birds with one stone
[02:10] <darkxst> britt, just pushed an updated gnome-desktop to my ppa, if you can try it later once it builds
[02:10] <britt> absolutely, I'll report back
[02:10] <britt> it's weird that the gnome-desktop commit woudn't apply considering it was made just 2 months ago
[02:10] <darkxst> britt, it sits on another patch that wasnt in 3.6
[02:11] <darkxst> so I pulled that one in as well
[02:11] <britt> I see
[02:11] <britt> oh wow
[02:11] <darkxst> https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/ppa
[02:11] <britt> how long does it usually take to build?
[02:12] <darkxst> queues are big today, ~5hrs for amd64, ~1hr for i386
[02:12] <britt> gotcha
[02:12] <jbicha> darkxst: there's a shortcut for that
[02:13] <darkxst> jbicha, really?
[02:13] <jbicha> if you set the urgency to medium in the changelog you can jump to pretty much the front of the line
[02:15] <darkxst> :)
[02:22] <darkxst> britt, ok its building now, shouldnt be long
[02:26] <britt> thank you sir:-) that is indeed a handy trick
[02:33] <britt> hrm it's not seeing the package
[02:34] <britt> it's weird that my gnome-desktop3-data package is 3.7.2
[02:34] <britt> the one in the gnome3ppa I mean
[02:35] <darkxst> you probably want to purge gnome3 ppa ;)
[02:36] <britt> lol
[02:36] <britt> lol just temp or in general?
[02:37] <darkxst> in general, if you have stale packages left over (after disabling) thats always likely to cause problems
[02:37] <jbicha> britt: um... maybe that's why you have the time bug on 13.04 and not on 12.10
[02:37] <britt> perhaps I'll check now
[02:37] <britt> give me 2 min
[02:38] <britt> i'm purging it now
[02:38] <britt> is it only safe to use that ppa once the release is final?
[02:39] <darkxst> gnome3 is fairly safe
[02:40] <darkxst> gnome3-staging will probably break occasionally
[02:42] <britt> hey so purging the gnome3 ppa fixed the clock with the need for having darkxst's gnome-desktop3 package
[02:42] <britt> I'm assuming it's because theres a gnome-desktop3-data package in the gnome3ppa that is 3.7.2 but all the other packages are still 3.6 branch
[02:43] <jbicha> britt: that version has the bug that was fixed by a later git commit
[02:44] <britt> so that package was the one causing the issue this whole time? lol
[02:44] <jbicha> we had a tricky upgrade problem which we worked around by sticking a new old gnome-desktop package there
[02:44] <britt> thats sucks, but it's good to know
[02:45] <britt> well thats not confusing at all ;-)
[02:45] <jbicha> britt: it's good for us to know too, so we can fix it
[02:45] <britt> yeah by ppa-purging it replaced it with gnome-desktop3-data 3.6.2
[02:45] <britt> and that works great
[02:45] <britt> sorry for wasting your time darkxst on that patch. I feel bad
[02:46] <darkxst> jbicha, can you sponsor this one http://pastebin.com/byhXFpu5
[02:47] <darkxst> britt, thats ok, atleast we know which package needs fixing now ;)
[02:48] <britt> haha yeah tracking that down was fun
[02:48] <britt> nice reccomendation on purging the ppa though
[02:49] <britt> I still do have the cursor-barrier bug though so whenever you get a chance for that one ;-)
[02:49] <jbicha> britt: ok, I uploaded the time fix to the gnome3 ppa
[02:49] <jbicha> darkxst: you have a second screen right?
[02:50] <britt> very cool, I'll re-add it in a bit
[02:51] <britt> if I readd the ppa i'll pull in gnome-desktop3-data 3.7.2 though, is that ok if all of my other gnome packages are 3.6.2?
[02:51] <darkxst> jbicha, yes although I didnt directly test that package, I know it works ;)
[02:53] <jbicha> britt: it should be mostly harmless, the old gnome-system-monitor would have claimed you were running gnome 3.7.2 though
[02:53] <britt> gotcha
[02:54] <jbicha> darkxst: the barrier problem affects quantal too right?
[02:55] <darkxst> jbicha, yes it would
[02:55] <britt> it looks like I have gnome-system-monitor 3.7.90, and that is in the main repos. I never noticed that the newer version was pulled in
[02:55] <britt> I can verify that the barrier problem was in quantal
[02:57] <darkxst> I suppose I should update the quantal g-s before it gets uploaded for SRU;)
[02:57] <darkxst> jbicha, or won't the SRU team  like that combining bug fixes with MRE?
[03:00] <jbicha> darkxst: SRUs are about fixing high impact bugs and I think this qualifies so it shouldn't be a problem
[03:12] <darkxst> jbicha, ok, added it to the MP
[03:14] <britt> jbicha, I added the gnome3ppa again and pulled in the new package you uploaded and the am/pm issue came back
[03:14] <britt> just fyi
[03:16] <britt> when I add the gnome3-ppa it pulls in 5total packages, gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0, libgnome-desktop-3-4, gnome-desktop3-data
[03:16] <britt> it has to be in one of those 3 packages
[03:16] <britt> my money is the gnome-desktop3-data like we though before
[03:17] <britt> there must be more going in in the desktop3 3.7.2 package than conflicts with gnome-shell 3.6.3
[03:18] <britt> that*
[03:18] <britt> well I'm off for a while guys, thanks for your help!
[03:24] <jbicha> I think he still had the raring3 version
[03:25] <darkxst> probably
[03:39] <darkxst> jbicha, is there another way to get a list of sponsors that have uploaded my packages apart form that UDD sponsor miner?
[03:40] <darkxst> ^ it is not providing a very complete list
[03:47] <jbicha> darkxst: https://launchpad.net/~/+related-packages if you click the version number it should show you who sponsored
[03:50] <darkxst> well that really doesnt help for packages where I have submitted many different versions
[03:54] <darkxst> jbicha, or do I even need other endorsements given that you have sponsored the majority
[03:55] <jbicha> oh yeah I guess that page isn't super useful :(
[03:57] <jbicha> darkxst: the DMB prefers multiple endorsements, the threshold shouldn't be too high for contributing developer
[03:58] <jbicha> I should let other people sponsor your stuff though
[04:03] <darkxst> yeh I think its been mostly random, didier sponsored a few, but they were mostly trivial updates I think
[10:17] <britt> hey darkxst or ricotz you guys there?
[10:24] <britt> hey I just wanted to report that I am having trouble booting with the staging ppa installed without having the xorg-edgers ppa also installed
[10:24] <britt> the computer will not load gdm, it goes to a black screen without a cursor right after showing the blue gnome-background
[14:04] <jbicha> ricotz: I guess I should have waited on pushing the cogl/gnome-shell update to coordinate with your PPA, sorry about that
[14:12] <ricotz> jbicha, yeah, just wanted to point that out ;)
[14:12] <ricotz> hmm..
[14:14] <ricotz> jbicha, yeah, just wanted to point that out ;)
[14:19] <jbicha> ricotz: for your clutter-1.0, you may want to build-depend on cogl >= 1.13.4 and have libclutter-1.0 break libcogl11
[14:19] <ricotz> jbicha, dont worry about that
[14:20] <ricotz> i havent split the packaging out for quantal yet
[14:20] <jbicha> well the build-depend probably isn't important but the breaking is
[14:22] <ricotz> will try to go through the packages, after the gnome-session mess is fixed :\\
[14:22] <jbicha> what happened with gnome-session?
[14:22] <ricotz> bad patch update
[14:23] <ricotz> btw gnome-shell needs a versioned dep on gir1.2-caribou...
[14:24] <jbicha> ricotz: I think gnome-shell needs to depend on caribou directly too
[14:25] <ricotz> yeah, maybe
[20:53] <britt> hey guys, I enabled the staging repo last night and have noticed a few issues, but I cannot file bugs in launchpad against them
[20:53] <britt> is there a proper channel for letting you guys know about bugs?
[20:55] <jbicha> it depends on the bug, but you can discuss them here :)
[20:55] <darkxst> britt, use launchpad and just specify you are using staging ppa
[20:56] <britt> Thats what I was planning, but using Ubuntu-bug to pull in logs wont even let me get that far. It says "cannot create bug because packages are not official" or something along those lines
[20:56] <darkxst> yeh that will happen
[20:56] <darkxst> anyway what are the ussyes?
[20:56] <darkxst> issues
[20:56] <jbicha> right, I think there's some hack we can do for our packages to enable apport to work with them but I don't know how to set it up
[20:57] <britt> well the main issue was that I couldn't get gdm to load without having the xorg-edgers ppa installed. It just went to a solid black screen with no cursor before gdm showed
[20:57] <britt> I dont know if it is because gdm requires a higher xorg version or something....but it was surprising
[20:58] <darkxst> britt probably 3D/drm was broken
[20:58] <britt> maybe. It worked fine on 3.6 though
[20:59] <britt> I'm running open sourced drivers + mesa btw
[20:59] <darkxst> gdm has no dependency on xorg really
[21:00] <britt> i wonder why it was failing to load then. I did get the blue background to show for about 2 seconds before the screen went black, which means my video drivers which means X did start
[21:00] <britt> (wow that was a terrible sentence)
[21:00] <darkxst> gdm uses gnome-shell to render the login screen
[21:00] <darkxst> if openGL is broken, then that is the usual reason you get a black screen
[21:01] <darkxst> however if openGL is non-existent it will fallback to software rendering
[21:01] <britt> well heres the funny part. After I installed all of the 3.7 packages I did an alt-f2>r and reloaded shell just fine and it looked great. Only after rebooting did I have issues
[21:02] <britt> so the old drivers were able to render gnome-shell for a short while anyway
[21:04] <darkxst> did you go from fglrx to radeon drivers at about the same time?
[21:04] <britt> no. I was using the OS drivers before and after
[21:05] <britt> (and still am, just I am using the edgers ppa versions)
[21:10] <darkxst> you can use 'glxinfo | grep -i openGL' to check if openGL is working correctly
[21:10] <britt> jbicha, http://jderose.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-to-use-apport-in-your-daily-ppa.html
[21:13] <darkxst> any mention of llvm or software rendering and openGL is messed up
[21:14] <britt> gotcha
[21:14] <darkxst> I think radeon might report Gallium3D or similar when it is working
[21:14] <britt> well could newer gnome versions break opengl? I dont think the staging ppa brings in any part of the x stack
[21:15] <darkxst> britt, mesa provides the openGL stuff
[21:16] <britt> do we pull in mesa with the staging?
[21:16] <britt> or anything that conflicts with mesa?
[21:16] <darkxst> no but is in xorg-edfers
[21:16] <britt> yeah I know
[21:16] <darkxst> gnome-shell just doesnt handle the case of broken openGL
[21:17] <darkxst> well not very well
[21:17] <britt> I am just trying to deduce what broke from gnome-shell 3.6 -3.7 with no changes to mesa
[21:17] <britt> I can purge the xorg edgers ppa and run that command though to see if opengl is running
[21:17] <darkxst> it is fine when GL is missing, i.e. blacklist radeon kernel driver, and it will just run using llvmpipe
[21:18] <britt> give me 10 min or so to remove xorg-edgers, reboot and run that command, and then reinstall so I have a working desktop again
[21:18] <britt> are you guys running the edgers ppa as well?
[21:20] <darkxst> yes, but with nvidia here
[21:20] <britt> can you test and see whether you can boot without the edgers ppa with nvidia. That way we can test if it is vendor specific
[21:21] <jbicha> britt: I use Intel and I don't use edgers
[21:21] <britt> kk well thats good then
[21:21] <britt> give me 5-10 min and I'll be back to report if openGL was borked
[21:21] <darkxst> britt, before you go
[21:23] <britt> weird it worked this time
[21:24] <britt> though yesterday it failed 6 times in a row
[21:24] <britt> there was an update to gdm at like 1am, I wonder if that inadvertantly fixed it
[21:24] <darkxst> britt, its not gdm
[21:25] <britt> I have no idea what could have changed then, unless they pushed some new mesa stuff from last night to today in the main repos
[21:25] <britt> well anyway if it's working then woo! I'll let you know if it happens again
[21:25] <darkxst> its possible that packages were broken after purging xorg-edgers
[21:26] <britt> possibly. It did pull all new ones down when I purged again
[21:26] <britt> well I'm happy it is working
[21:26] <darkxst> often reinstalling xserver-xorg-core and xserver-video-radeon will clean up any issues
[21:27] <britt> thats good to know for the future
[21:29] <britt> btw one of the issues I was having was with switching the background image with file manager handling the desktop. Every so often the background will not register as changing if I tell it to, until I turn off file manager handling the desktop
[21:29] <britt> it happened twice yesterday, though it worked fine about 10 other times
[21:29] <britt> so I do not know what triggers it
[21:29] <darkxst> background handling was moved into the shell for 3.7.90, possible fallout from that
[21:30] <britt> hrm possibly.
[21:30] <darkxst> or are you using 3.6?
[21:30] <britt> maybe it will get cleaned up once 3.8 comes closer
[21:30] <britt> no I'm using whatever is in the staging ppa since yesterday
[21:30] <britt> so 3.7.90 I believe
[21:32] <britt> oh hey another thing! Where is the networking settings in the gnome-settings panel? Its gone all of a sudden, and clicking the network icon and then "network settings" results on nothing happening
[21:35] <darkxst> they made a new network panel, but it still lives in settings
[21:35] <britt> I can't see it in settings
[21:35] <britt> do I have to get a new file for it to work?
[21:37] <darkxst> no it was working in 3.7.5, let me run an update and see
[21:43] <britt> yeah it looks like the functionality is missing from my build
[21:43] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh network panel is lost with 3.7.90
[22:11] <jbicha> cool it works: bug 1132560
[22:12] <britt> oh nice so that worked?
[22:13] <darkxst> awesome
[22:13] <jbicha> yes we just need something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/5563137/ in the source_gnome-shell.py or equivalent
[22:14] <britt> do you need that for each package? or just in the one place?
[22:15] <jbicha> it has to be done for every package we care about, I think most of these packages don't have apport hooks so it needs to be added
[22:17] <britt> gotcha
[22:18] <britt> btw jbicha did you see that darkxst repoted that network panel was lost with 3.7.90 before you logged out?
[22:18] <britt> I can confirm
[22:19] <jbicha> britt: yes I think the fix is building now
[22:21] <britt> great :-)
[22:34] <britt> damn, upstream changes to gnome terminal removed my ability to have transparent backgrounds
[22:34] <britt> thats a shame
[22:35] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692609
[22:36] <britt> it looks like they intentionally removed it then
[22:37] <britt> unfortunate.  Why not allow for every app to be translucent?"
[22:41] <britt> fair enough....but imo they should have kept that feature in the terminal up until they added that functionality into every app...not remove it from terminal so they dont 'have' to add it in every app
[22:49] <britt> hrm I just noticed a weird glitch when trying to drag a file. The animation does not continuously show the file being moved, but instead the file freezes about a half inch from it's starting position
[22:50] <britt> and it looks like dragging and dropping from out of nautilus is completely broken
[22:57] <britt> jbicha, the gnome-settings network fix works great, but clicking the networking icon>network settings in the upper right hand of the shell doesn't seem to do anything
[22:58] <jbicha> britt: yes, except for 'Settings' itself, all of the settings links in the top bar are broken, I haven't figured out why though
[22:59] <britt> ahh I see that.
[23:01] <britt> jbicha, have you though about bring in the gnome-tweak-tool as a default app? I know fedora brings it in by default and calls it "advanced settings" an even adds a link to it in the gnome-settings
[23:01] <britt> I was just seeing your thought on that
[23:02] <jbicha> britt: tweak tool was included by default in 12.10 :)
[23:02] <britt> oh nice haha. I must have not realized having installed it soo many times manually
[23:03] <britt> that is very cool
[23:03] <britt> what about adding a link to it in the gnome-settings-panel ;-)
[23:05] <jbicha> britt: you'll have to ask GNOME about that one, we try not to tweak GNOME too much
[23:06] <britt> haha ok. I really think at this point they should pull it into the gnome ecosystem as a native app. The community has basically deemed it as essential anyway
[23:26] <darkxst> jbicha, I wonder if we should do this at distro level? https://live.gnome.org/Terminal/FAQ#How_can_I_make_new_terminals_start_in_the_working_directory_of_the_current_terminal.3F
[23:28] <britt> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694629 I opened a bug on the topic of the tweak tool as a default app.
[23:29] <jbicha> darkxst: yes, I couldn't get it to work when I tried though
[23:29] <darkxst> jbicha, for some reason vte.sh does not get sourced
[23:34] <darkxst> no idea why not, but it works if you manually source /etc/profile.d/vte.sh first
[23:37] <britt> can you guys check and see if you have issues dragging files in nautilus? I am trying to check if it is an upstream bug or with us
[23:38] <darkxst> fine here
[23:39] <britt> the animation does freeze about a half inch away from where the file originated?
[23:40] <britt> I can take a screen cast to show you guys if you want
[23:43] <britt> yup I I can't drag any file more than 20pixels at a time with nautilus, and if I try dragging files on my desktop I can get slightly further, but it automatically opens my desktop folder in a new nautilus window for some reason
[23:48] <darkxst> try disable desktop handling perhaps
[23:48] <britt> kk
[23:48] <britt> nope it didn't help dragging from within nautilus
[23:49] <britt> its odd that I am having issues that you guys cannot replicate unless you guys are running different packages than me lol
[23:50] <britt> I wouldn' think a nautilus issue would be hardware specific


[13:35]  * ogra wonders what lool thinks about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot :)
[13:39] <Stskeeps> ogra: that's cool :) did you include debootstrap support for that or?
[13:39] <ogra> no, just a wrapper script that calls first and second stage separately and sets --arch armel
[13:40] <suihkulokki> A patch for qemu exists at http://qemu-arm-eabi.sourceforge.net/ to enable EABI support in qemu-arm
[13:40] <suihkulokki> <- thats so outdated :P
[13:40] <ogra> right
[13:40] <ogra> suihkulokki, ??
[13:40] <ogra> is there a newer one ?
[13:41] <ogra> (that applies to 0.10.x)
[13:41] <suihkulokki> EABI is supported even before 0.10.x
[13:41] <ogra> weird
[13:42] <Stskeeps> ogra: ah, but it copies in the qemu-arm static binary into the target temporarily i presume
[13:42] <ogra> right
[13:42] <ogra> not temporarily, else you couldnt chroot :)
[13:42] <Stskeeps> ah yes
[13:47] <ogra> suihkulokki, i find it intresting that i could never use qemu-arm properly then ... given that we had 0.10 in jaunty already
[14:09] <suihkulokki> ogra: not really interesting.. just different (fixed in git head) issue
[14:10] <ogra> ah
[14:11] <suihkulokki> using git head highly recommended at the moment, as it will turn 0.11 any time now
[14:29] <lool> ogra: I think that it's nice but not good enough for package builds
[14:29] <ogra> lool, for home use its surely good
[14:29] <ogra> my mesa build finished in about 2h
[14:30] <ogra> on my laptop
[14:30] <lool> I just don't trust it
[14:30] <ogra> so if you want to do a pbuilder testbuild on armel before uploading etc thats surely a good way
[14:30] <ogra> i wouldnt use it as a buildd :)
[14:30] <lool> Right
[14:31] <ogra> and i dont know how it will behave with neon and v7
[14:32] <lool> That's not an issue
[14:32] <ogra> its surely better than cross compiling the whole dep chain of gnome to testbuild a single gnome package in a cross compiler env
[14:33] <lool> syscalls don't map one to one on armel and x86; I wouldn't trust that they are all properly wrapped and you might end up building packages which assume support for stuff which isn't truly supported or vice-versa
[14:33] <ogra> yeah, its surely not for full production use
[14:34] <ogra> but its *faaaaast* :)
[15:36] <robert__> hello! I'm trying to build an arm-rootfs using rootstock (tried the older script from wiki, too), but it just hangs after starting qemu saying "installing core packages"
[15:36] <ogra> it doesnt hang
[15:36] <ogra> its just very slow inside the VM
[15:37] <robert__> really? how long does it do "nothing" (or at least saying nothing"?
[15:37] <robert__> I just got curious after half an hour or so
[15:37] <ogra> give it time ... building the base system completely usually takes about 50min
[15:37] <ogra> the apt stage later is faster
[15:37] <robert__> oh, okay. maybe on my host it will take some hours :)
[15:38] <robert__> I will wait. thanks a lot
[15:38] <ogra> the 50min are on my laptop ... core2duo 1.8GHz
[15:38] <ogra> slower machines will indeed take a bit longer
[15:39] <robert__> okay. well, another question. what's a minimal system just providing X? I am currently trying xubuntu-desktop
[15:40] <ogra> minimal system is really minimal ...
[15:40] <ogra> just enough to boot
[15:41] <ogra> if you only want boot and X add xorg
[15:41] <ogra> a lightweight desktop would be lxde
[15:42] <ogra> there are some examples on the RootfsFromScratch wikipage
[15:44] <robert__> hm, I think I'll stick with xubuntu-desktop first, and maybe remove unneeded things later
[15:48] <robert__> the created image should be bootable on an OMAP-board, right?
[15:51] <ogra> its just a tgz
[15:51] <ogra> yes, the packages should all run on OMAP
[15:52] <robert__> okay, I'll try it later when the system is fully configured
[16:46] <robert__> ogra: The script did not take too long, it booted the system a few minutes ago and is unpacking the packages now
[16:46] <ogra> ah, good
[16:52] <robert__> ogra: Do you know what compiler was used to build the armel packages?
[16:53] <ogra> gcc
[16:53] <ogra> depending on which release you use 4.3 or 4.4
[16:54] <robert__> okay, thanks. that should fit with the other applications I plan to use
[19:10] <robert__> ogra: "--seed build-essential,openssh-server" took about 15 minutes to build the full rootfs on an core2@2,66GHz
[19:11] <ogra> sounds about right
[19:12] <robert__> but the system does not boot, last messages is: " * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd                             [ OK ]
[19:12] <robert__> chown: failed to get attributes of `/var/log/dmesg': Stale NFS file handle
[19:12] <robert__> chmod: failed to get attributes of `/var/log/dmesg': Stale NFS file handle
[19:12] <robert__> /etc/rc2.d/S70bootlogs.sh: 61: cannot create /var/log/dmesg: Stale NFS file handle
[19:12] <robert__> chgrp: cannot access `/var/log/dmesg': Stale NFS file handle
[19:12] <robert__> mv: accessing `/var/log/udev': Stale NFS file handle
[19:13] <robert__> "
[19:13] <robert__> I don't understand why it seems to look for stuff on NFS at all...
[19:13]  * ogra points to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/391094
[19:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 391094 in glibc "the "stale NFS file handle" error should be reworded" [Undecided,New]
[19:13] <ogra> when did you check out the script ?
[19:14] <robert__> an hour ago or so
[19:14] <robert__> rev17 I think
[19:14] <ogra> there was a bug where it was not properly unmounting the VM image
[19:15] <ogra> you could do an fsck ... but its worrying that you still see it
[19:16] <ogra> did you build for jaunty or karmic ?
[19:16] <robert__> I built jaunty
[19:17] <ogra> hrm, i checked that, thats bad
[19:17] <robert__> the build was absolutely fresh, first boot
[19:17] <ogra> yeah
[19:17] <robert__> and I unmounted the image to where I unpacked rootfs correctly
[19:17] <ogra> it didnt unmount the VM cleanly and then rolled a tarball that contained uncleared inodes
[19:18] <ogra> you will see stuff being mentioned in the logfile i guess
[19:18] <ogra> the best you can do is an fsck
[19:19] <ogra> it will clean up the dangling inodes
[19:19] <ogra> i will look deeper into that on the weekend
[19:19] <ogra> i'm 100% sure its fixed in karmic, but i only tested one run under jaunty
[19:21] <robert__> the image had wrong inodes, strange
[19:21] <ogra> not if you think about it :)
[19:22] <robert__> because qemu was killed while the fs was mounted?
[19:22] <ogra> the image is built in a vm ... the vm isnt shut down properly ... then the image is mounted again and a tarball is created from the content
[19:22] <robert__> but it still hangs with " * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd                             [ OK ]
[19:22] <robert__> chown: failed to get attributes of `/var/log/dmesg': No such file or directory
[19:22] <robert__> chmod: failed to get attributes of `/var/log/dmesg': No such file or directory
[19:22] <robert__> "
[19:23] <ogra> you can create that file it shouldnt stop you from booting
[19:23] <ogra> -rw-r----- 1 root adm 50862 2009-07-17 13:44 /var/log/dmesg
[19:24] <ogra> should look like that
[19:24] <robert__> well, but that should not stop the boot process, right?
[19:24] <ogra> right
[19:24]  * ogra has to go soon
[19:25] <Sarvatt_> hmm 15 minutes? are you using amd64 or i386 on it robert__? its still around 3.5 hours for a build-essential,openssh-server karmic on a 2.4ghz turion x2 herex2 for some reason
[19:26] <robert__> Sarvatt_: maybe 20 minutes, but not more
[19:26] <Sarvatt_> debian is 20 minutes though
[19:26] <ogra> amd64's qemu-syste-arm might run slower
[19:26] <robert__> it's i386
[19:26] <Sarvatt_> yeah thats what imthinking
[19:26] <Sarvatt_> wow, cant type today :)
[19:27] <ogra> anyway, i really have to go now ... i'll look into that tomorrow
[19:27] <robert__> ogra: strange, /var/log/dmesg exists in the image
[19:27] <Sarvatt_> thats a pretty crazy difference, i'll try it on i386
[19:27] <robert__> all right, I'll try to get it running
[19:28] <ogra> if you cant get it fixed, worst case use build-arm-rootfs for jaunty
[19:28] <robert__> I will try that, too. just 15 minutes ;)
[19:29] <robert__> ah, I tried jaunty. you mean k... (forgot the name :) )
[19:32] <robert__> can karmic only be run with cortex-a8 as cpu? I need to use is for an 926
[19:35] <Sarvatt_> you can use it for that now but its going to change soon to be armv6+,, would need to change rootstock around a bit because i think ogra moved it over to cortex in there
[19:39] <robert__> yes, just a line to change. I was just wondering if the binary format changed for karmic
[19:39] <Sarvatt_> not yet
[19:40] <Sarvatt_> still armv5t arch default for gcc in karmic
[19:42] <robert__> by the way, what do you use ubuntu/arm for? are there tablet pcs strong enough to run ubuntu on yet?
[19:43] <Sarvatt_> i wish!
[19:44] <Sarvatt_> i'm just using it for a build environment for a future system and to check for problems in pixman from git here
[19:44] <robert__> so it's basically a "proof of concept" project at the moment?
[19:46] <Sarvatt_> qemu is running so slow on my amd64 machines that i've resorted to using karmic in a chroot on my htc dream phone for all of that :D
[19:47] <robert__> I'm planning to profile some applications on real hardware (OMAP developer board)
[19:47] <robert__> hm, I have an htc himalaya laying around here, but never managed to run linux on it
[19:47] <robert__> just managed to boot a kernel
[19:52] <Sarvatt_> debian might be a better fit for both of those, jaunty and karmic arm are using arch armv5t with cortex-a8 tune for everything and i'm just guessing that would make things slower on the older hardware
[19:54] <robert__> is there a list of CFLAGS used?
[20:11] <robert__> ogra: karmic rootfs also hangs after "* Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd                             [ OK ]"
[20:18] <robert__> I tried removing the symlinkgs in /etc/rc2.d which started services after sshd, without success
[20:18] <robert__> I'll continue tomorrow. see you!
[20:43] <Sarvatt_> ogra: holy crap, build-arm-eabi-chroot is great! thanks for packaging that!


[00:10] <albeNt> hi guys!
[00:11] <albeNt> hi guys...someone ther=
[00:11] <albeNt> I have a problem here!!!!
[00:12] <albeNt> my HD is incresing temperature...solutions?....
[00:12] <albeNt> Im using ubuntu amd64 in hp pavilion 6500
[00:12] <Xnet0> albeNt: your hard drive??
[00:13] <albeNt> yep
[00:13] <albeNt> is a WDC
[00:13] <Xnet0> albeNt: if so, thats not an issue with linux.. thats a hardware issue.
[00:13] <albeNt> western digital
[00:13] <laur> sal
[00:13] <laur> ce faceti
[00:13] <laur> oamnei
[00:13] <laur> romania
[00:13] <Xnet0> albeNt; the only thing i could think of is that linux is not detecting all of your RAM. If this is true, more paging will occur on the HDD/
[00:13] <albeNt> Yes I know, but there are some config in hdparm to fix it
[00:14] <albeNt> no ubuntu detect all my RAM welll
[00:14] <Xnet0> albeNt: hmm.. not sure..
[00:15] <Xnet0> Could anyone help me out with some networking issues???
[00:15] <albeNt> yep my HD is risint temp to 45-48 celsius degree
[00:15] <Xnet0> get a good case lol
[00:15] <albeNt> is that normal?
[00:15] <Xnet0> no. not at all
[00:16] <Xnet0> i have both the WD 500 and 640gb drives..
[00:16] <Xnet0> therer temp issues are easy
[00:16] <albeNt> my HD critical temp is 60-65...T_T
[00:16] <Xnet0> dont worry lol
[00:16] <camahueto> Hi all
[00:16] <Xnet0> open your case if you have to
[00:16] <camahueto> I don't know if anyone can help me with this
[00:17] <albeNt> I cant ia a laptop...lol
[00:17] <Xnet0> im having problems with my mac address, and my router assigning me another mac address upon startup. How can i help this?
[00:17] <camahueto> I was adding labels to files on nepomuk in dolphin and then a konsole openned (the one inside dolphin)
[00:18] <camahueto> in this konsole apperead a cd command to my current directory and then a clear command
[00:18] <camahueto> like 10 times
[00:18] <Xnet0> camahueto; this console inside the window is perfect.. why would you want to remove it??
[00:18] <albeNt> ok guys c ya later, and thanks for your help!.
[00:18] <Xnet0> camahueto: its great when compiling .java files, and other sorts..
[00:18] <camahueto> I checked all the logs and nothing is strange in the authlog
[00:18] <camahueto> I used it
[00:19] <Xnet0> can anyone help me with router ip assigning problems??
[00:20] <camahueto> Xnet0: I use that konsole, but I don't like when It appears when I don't ask for it, when It appears by itself and begins issuing commands by itself
[00:20] <twas> I want to set a static IP. I follow these directions: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[00:20] <camahueto> Xnet0 It's strange
[00:20] <twas> But after I reset my interface, I still have the dynamic IP
[00:20] <twas> How can I get static IP?
[00:20] <Xnet0> twas, why do you need this static ip address?
[00:21] <twas> Xnet0: So I can direct my router to port forward to this machine
[00:23] <JavaTheJHut> twas, aah i see. Im having an interesting problem also. I changed my mac address, and would like it to stay the same, but my ip is set to my static one upon startup. this changes my mac address.
[00:24] <JavaTheJHut> twas, this causes my mac addresss to change back to the original one, everytime linux boots. If i change the mac while in linux then the router see's two of my machines.
[00:24] <JavaTheJHut> twas, is this sort of what you are dealing with?
[00:24] <twas> Nah, just the IP not the MAC
[00:25] <JavaTheJHut> twas, oo so your ip address is a different one everytime you boot?
[00:28] <JavaTheJHut> twas, what problems are DHCP causing you? i'm just asking because im interested.
[00:33] <BluesKaj> twas, wicd will allow static IP without mac address porbs
[00:34] <BluesKaj> probs
[00:35] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | twas
[00:41] <BluesKaj> hmm, well you can lead a horse to water ....
[00:44] <edge> BluesKaj, but it will drown in the water?
[00:46] <Nameless_au> hi. which is better - kmail or thunderbird?
[00:46] <BluesKaj> edge,  uhm they can swim
[00:46] <Nameless_au> opinions pls
[00:47] <edge> BluesKaj, they can , but they wont drink
[00:49] <hydrogen> Nameless_au: thunderbird
[00:50] <hydrogen> kmail is pretty bad
[00:51] <BluesKaj> kmail was good til they tried too hard to make it pretty and too easy to use ..totally screwed it up
[00:53] <Nameless_au> tnx guys
[00:55] <darren> hello, quick question. I just did a reinstall and my application audio isn't working.  I fixed this before very simply but don't remember how. Help?
[00:56] <darren> I seem to recall disabling OSS I think, but do not remember exactly what I did.
[00:56] <darren> anyone?
[01:01] <Firefishe> How do I kill the current xserver session from terminal? One of my Firefox extensions just took touchpad control away from me, so I need to restart the server.
[01:04] <Fanfare_> Firefishe: restart X-Server ? sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:04] <Fanfare_> Firefishe: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[01:25] <ubsafder> anyone knows how to get data out of track ?
[01:28] <Drknezz> Hi! Is there anyway i can disable Compositing with a hotkey? KDE4
[01:45] <thomasdorn> hey
[01:48] <BluesKaj> hey thomasdorn
[01:50] <thomasdorn> he
[01:50] <thomasdorn> i just started using irc
[01:50] <thomasdorn> what do you recommend for a news group program
[01:50] <thomasdorn> does anyone know a good irc program for gnome
[01:52] <BluesKaj> this is kubuntu but kde apps work on gnome ..konversation for one
[01:52] <thomasdorn> where can i see the other irc channels
[01:53] <DaskreeCH> thomasdorn: Might not want to :)
[01:53] <BluesKaj> you are using konversation thomasdorn , stick with it in gnome too :)
[01:53] <DaskreeCH> thomasdorn: What are you interested in?
[01:53] <thomasdorn> python programming
[01:53] <BluesKaj> type  /list in the server textbox
[01:54] <thomasdorn> ok
[01:54] <DaskreeCH> ##python
[01:54] <BluesKaj>  /list python will give you several
[01:55] <thomasdorn> thanks guys
[01:56] <BluesKaj> right
[02:07] <HFSPLUS> Kubuntu sucks
[02:07] <HFSPLUS> Kubuntu sucks
[02:12] <Planetary> ok back, ok so  i all my graphics work great except hd flash videos, they are choppy. also fullscreen videos can be choppy. i do have legacy workaround on in compiz. i have kubutnu restricted extras installed. i have a geforce 7600gt with dirver 180 working fine. 173 and 96 are options. waht should i do, should i try a differnt driver?
[02:13] <Planetary> gila_monster: wil 185 work work with 7600? where do i get that and should i do that? is anyone else having problems with flash videos?
[02:14] <HFSPLUS> Kubuntu sucks
[02:14] <HFSPLUS> !OPS
[02:14] <bazhang> HFSPLUS, stop that
[02:15] <DaskreeCH> Pricey: You realise he just called ops himself
[02:15] <DaskreeCH> assuming that was a him
[02:19] <DaskreeCH> Planetary: Not familiar with the nVidia setup for graphics but I'll wager you can find out if it has support on the driver download site
[02:20] <Planetary> DaskreeCH: what site would that be?
[02:21] <DaskreeCH> nvidia.com ?
[02:23] <Planetary> ok nice i just downloaded 185
[02:23] <Planetary> should i use jocky or whatever to uninstall what i have first?
[02:25] <DaskreeCH> sure
[02:42] <volty> hi, I just upgraded from 8.04 to 9.04 and it seems a nightmare, panel color, cursor out of phase (some more chars ahead of where it actually puts the typed), difficulties with kpackagekit etc etc
[02:42] <volty> what do you suggest pls ?
[02:44] <JavaTheJHut> volty, i had the same types of problems. The panel colour can be changed fromt the system settings menu. This option is under appearance.
[02:46] <DaskreeCH> volty: for 8.04 Remix?
[02:47] <DaskreeCH> from
[02:47] <volty> DaskreeCH: don't know
[02:47] <DaskreeCH> volty: ok tell me what you did
[02:48] <volty> DaskreeCH: I just clicked the button 'Version Upgrade' in Adept ...
[02:48] <thomasdorn> \list python
[02:48] <thomasdorn> \list
[02:49] <DaskreeCH> volty: ok in KDE3?
[02:52] <volty> DaskreeCH: it was all ok before the upgrade, now it's quite ugly with kde4.2.2 (from the menu editor)
[02:52] <DaskreeCH> volty: So I assume that it upgraded to 8.10 first?
[02:52] <volty> I don't think so
[02:52] <DaskreeCH> oh?
[02:52] <DaskreeCH> hmm
[02:53] <DaskreeCH> I've no clue what you did then :)
[02:53] <DaskreeCH> I didn't know that the system can update from 8.04 to 9.04
[02:53] <volty> I'm ready to install it from scratch but only if I don't get again this crap of kde4 fancy
[02:53] <DaskreeCH> and you are running KDE 4.2.2 now you say?
[02:53] <volty> it says so from the system menu editor
[02:54] <DaskreeCH> what do you call KDE 4 fancy ?
[02:55] <volty> the colors, the fact I can't move widgets on the panel, I cannot find where to set the background color of the panel, i cannot install korundum for kde3 (ruby bindings)
[02:55] <DaskreeCH> !info konundrum
[02:55] <DaskreeCH> Oh wait korundum ?
[02:55] <volty> korundum
[02:55] <DaskreeCH> !info korundum
[02:55] <DaskreeCH> Not sure I've ever heard of that
[02:55] <volty> !info libkorundum
[02:56] <volty> but it is listed using kpackagekit
[02:56] <DaskreeCH> !info kdebindings-kde4