[03:41] <jrib> krayzone: no it's in universe, so it won't be on the cd
[03:41] <SuperMiguel> chucky thast waht i didi
[03:41] <azureal> should i reboot or something?
[03:41] <chuckyp> SuperMiguel, like if I wanted to change /poop/blah from root to me being the owner I would sudo chown chuckyp /poop/blah
[03:41] <michael> when I sudo apt-get source neverball,   it says I am lack of some deb sources in sources.list
[03:41] <SuperMiguel> cdubya: im traying to get permissions to open my apache web page
[03:41] <krayzone> If i downlaod the tz, do  you think i will be able to compile from source, considering im working with a non internet connected server?
[03:41] <_Er1K_> krayzone:  not on the media, but it's readily available in edgy
[03:41] <_Er1K_> "apt-get install mc"
[03:41] <michael> could anybody help?
[03:42] <cdubya> SuperMiguel, so what have you tried?
[03:42] <chuckyp> SuperMiguel, like I said I don't believe chaning the owner is the proper solution.
[03:42] <SuperMiguel> i tride to change it using nautilious
[03:42] <_Er1K_> michael: make sure your universe/metaverse repositories are on
[03:42] <SuperMiguel> but it didnt work
[03:42] <BlindVirus> what file extenchin do i need to instal aplications like windows was .exe whats ubuntu?
[03:42] <SuperMiguel> i didnt make the change
[03:42] <jrib> krayzone: that would be one way, but you would have to take care of any dependencies it has.  You could also download the deb from packages.ubuntu.com (along with the list dependencies) and do it that way.  Or if you have access to a network connect debian-based machine, you could use apt-file
[03:42] <chuckyp> BlindVirus, it doesn't workt hat way.
[03:42] <hantu> you can't install windows binary on ubuntu
[03:42] <_Er1K_> michael: edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root, and uncomming the fun stuff
[03:42] <SuperMiguel> then i tryed sudo chown miguel /var/www
[03:43] <cdubya> SuperMiguel, what are the perms right now?
[03:43] <michael> wickedpuppy:  are you busy ?
[03:43] <hantu> unless you install wine, then you can run windows apps on ubuntu
[03:43] <chuckyp> BlindVirus, there are plenty of games in the repos if you look have you tried searching synaptic for games?
[03:43] <SuperMiguel> root
[03:43] <BlindVirus> chuckyp: can you point me i nthe right direction of a help file of some sort?
[03:43] <_Er1K_> s/uncomming/uncomment
[03:43] <cdubya> SuperMiguel, ls -al /var/www
[03:43] <SuperMiguel> well if i see it on the nautilious is miguel
[03:43] <wickedpuppy> michael, eh ah sort of .. why ?
[03:43] <azureal> ah, startx works now, but getting a "could not open default font:fixed"
[03:43] <michael> _Er1K_:  what is fun stuff?
[03:43] <azureal> perhaps i should restart...
[03:43] <skewh> Is there anyplace that has a walkthrough of how to install a GUI on Ubuntu Server?
[03:43] <BlindVirus> ya its for my mom shes used to windoes she wants something liek puzzle games she likes i dont know if uve herd of like chuzzles or anyhting liek that
[03:43] <BlindVirus> its like bejewled
[03:43] <chuckyp> BlindVirus, yeah System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager   then search for games  you will be able to read through descriptions etc..
[03:43] <_Er1K_> universe and metaverse repositories mainly
[03:43] <michael> wickedpuppy:  when I sudo apt-get source neverball,   it says I am lack of some deb sources in sources.list
[03:44] <BlindVirus> any place online?
[03:44] <krazykit> any reason that xine/amarok refuses to play certain FLAC files while mplayer and others play them fine?
[03:44] <krayzone> I donwnload the deb package from packages and the depends for the time being, thanks for the help.
[03:44] <skewh> preferebly
[03:44] <jrib> michael: post the error, as well as the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give us a link
[03:44] <wickedpuppy> michael, could you paste the errors on the pastebin pls ?
[03:44] <michael> wickedpuppy: I want to get the source of a game
[03:44] <chuckyp> BlindVirus, there are some games installed by default in Applications > Games already but yeah let me get you a site hold up
[03:44] <_Er1K_> michael: if you pastebin your sources.list I can show you what to uncomment
[03:44] <cdubya> SuperMiguel, what does it say?
[03:44] <SuperMiguel> cdubya: drwxr-xr-x and drwxrwxrwx  still having root
[03:44] <SuperMiguel> permissions
[03:44] <BlindVirus> thank you and i know lol im not a complete nooob
[03:44] <SuperMiguel> the others have miguel and miguel
[03:45] <Samuli^> krazykit, what do you mean by certain.. if they indeed seem like random try to find a common deminator between them :P
[03:45] <cdubya> SuperMiguel, so you're wanting to be able to modify files in a web directory?
[03:45] <krazykit> Samuli^: they're from the same album :-P.  all the other FLAC files i have play fine but these.
[03:46] <SuperMiguel> im trying to access my web page
[03:46] <SuperMiguel> but i says
[03:46] <chuckyp> BlindVirus,  But if you follow my earlier instructions for checking synaptic it will be a lot easier than downloading from source and installing.  However, you can find some info at http://www.linux-gamers.net/ http://www.linuxgames.com/ .  You should probably read the wiki on installing software.
[03:46] <michael> _Er1K_:  it says:   you must write some "software deb sources" 's URI to your sources.list
[03:46] <skewh> well for Ubuntu Server GUI, I type in a command and it downloads it off the net, but is there anything else I need to do to activate it and will it be the same GUI as on the desktop version?
[03:46] <SuperMiguel> You don't have permission to access /index.html on this server.
[03:46] <chuckyp> !tell BlindVirus about games
[03:46] <chuckyp> !tell BlindVirus about synaptic
[03:46] <kyle__> !dapper
[03:46] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[03:46] <SuperMiguel> im trying to access to my web site but it says You don't have permission to access /index.html on this server.
[03:46] <kyle__> !upgrade
[03:46] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:46] <chuckyp> BlindVirus, take a look at the links from ubotu first.
[03:46] <chuckyp> !games
[03:46] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[03:47] <kyle__> chuckyp, hello again.
[03:47] <michael> _Er1K_:  it says:   you must write some "software deb sources" 's URI to your sources.list, such like that, this info is in Chinese, I translated it :-P
[03:47] <arakn0> hello, does anyone know how to boot the dapper drake netinstall with loadlin ?? (in W98/ME)
[03:47] <chuckyp> kyle__, yo
[03:47] <azureal> yea, still getting some font error.. for this reason xdm won't start
[03:47] <secleinteer> hi, does any1 know the difference between ubuntu firefox and mozilla firefox?
[03:47] <michael> wickedpuppy:  :  it says:   you must write some "software deb sources" 's URI to your sources.list, such like that, this info is in Chinese, I translated it :-P
[03:47] <kyle__> chuckyp, my firefox isn't working and someone suggested just upgrading to dapper from breezy
[03:47] <krazykit> Samuli^: meh.  reencoding it seems to fix it.  bah.
[03:47] <chuckyp> arakn0, google has some info on using vmlinuz but no idea if there is anything out ther for loadlin
[03:47] <azureal> could not init font path element /usr/share/X11/fonts.....
[03:47] <skewh> well for Ubuntu Server GUI, I type in a command and it downloads it off the net, but is there anything else I need to do to activate it and will it be the same GUI as on the desktop version?
[03:47] <BlindVirus> tank you chuck
[03:47] <wickedpuppy> michael, ok .. no i don't know chinese either :P
[03:48] <chuckyp> kyle__, okay,
[03:48] <kyle__> chuckyp, but i don't know how
[03:48] <Shadow_mil> chuckyp: my RL nickname is chuck
[03:48] <SuperMiguel> im trying to access to my web site but it says You don't have permission to access /index.html on this server.
[03:48] <kyle__> chuckyp, he suggested editing the sources list, kinda like you did.. but doing something else
[03:48] <chuckyp> kyle__, okay let me see if I can find you the proper way that explains everything.
[03:48] <_Er1K_> michael:  this is my sources.list and it gives *ME* neverball: http://pastebin.ca/200270
[03:48] <chuckyp> Shadow_mil, mine too
[03:48] <chuckyp> kyle__, yeah thats pretty much what you have to do is edit the sources.list but there is a good page on it that explaines everythign hold up.
[03:48] <blake6489> cycom: holy cow, i checked the trash dir, only 23 items but the last two were my failed atemps at imagine my disk!!! now im 43% full out of 23 gb!!! thanks alot
[03:48] <azureal> lol /usr/share/X11/fonts doesnt exist!
[03:48] <kyle__> chuckyp, i'd look for it myself, but like i said, broken install
[03:49] <michael> _Er1K_:  I wonder how to use pastebin
[03:49] <Shadow_mil> chuckyp: I have chuck set on my highlight list, I get a lot of Chuck Norris hits
[03:49] <cycom> blake6489: Act like it was nuthin. :)
[03:49] <kyle__> chuckyp, broken install of firefox
[03:49] <skewh> well for Ubuntu Server GUI, I type in a command and it downloads it off the net, but is there anything else I need to do to activate it and will it be the same GUI as on the desktop version?
[03:50] <_Er1K_> michael: I know the others here will kill me cuz we have our own....but pastebin.ca, paste, submit, it gives you an url
[03:50] <blake6489> thanks
[03:50] <_Er1K_> give url to your friend
[03:50] <AqD> hi all!
[03:50] <AqD> i re-made the latest mac menubar patch for gtk 2.8
[03:50] <azureal> could someone kindly tell me the package i need to er... create a /usr/share/X11/fonts directory =P
[03:50] <michael> _Er1K_:  Oh, what a good thing!
[03:50] <AqD> someone please make an ubuntu package for it :)
[03:50] <gunfus> Hello Guys!, I am running a session of nautilus and deleting files.. where would this files go?
[03:50] <AqD> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241868
[03:50] <_Er1K_> no matter who's is used, it *is* a wonderful thing :)
[03:50] <AqD> bye!
[03:50] <michael> _Er1K_:  does it mean that I need to add such :   deb-src http://........... ?
[03:51] <jrib> gunfus: ~/.Trash probably
[03:51] <azureal> is it xfonts-base?
[03:51] <gunfus> jrib: yeah.. sorry I forgot the tricky part
[03:51] <skewh> could anyone help me? :(
[03:51] <gunfus> I am running a sudo nautilus
[03:51] <cycom> blake6489: you are quite welcome.  I'd play with the console as much as possible, simply to learn how to use it more effectively.  I hadn't tried that sort trick before tonight, oddly enough.
[03:51] <_Er1K_> michael: I don't think you *must* enable them, but it's not going to hurt you
[03:51] <vertana> 01001001 00100000 01101100 01101001 01101011 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110010 01110011 01110011 01101001 00101110 00101110 00101110 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01101100 01101001 01110100 01110100 01101100 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01110100 01110100 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01101110 00100000 01111000 01100011 01101000 01100001 01110100 0010
[03:51] <gunfus> so i am running a root session of nautilus
[03:51] <gunfus> where do the files that I delete go?
[03:51] <azureal> ROFL @ vertana
[03:51] <gunfus> /root/.Trash?
[03:52] <vertana> /home/$user/.trash
[03:52] <_Er1K_> I don't build from source very often, but if you want it perfectly optimized.....debian+cousins make it easy
[03:52] <THX-1138> vertana - turn off the script. - lol
[03:52] <skewh> can anyone answer my question?
[03:52] <vertana> Lmao, sorry, did it auto binary that last comment? =p
[03:52] <michael> _Er1K_:  OK, I think this must be the reason.  all sources in my sources.list is such: deb http://...   , there isn't even one with deb-src
[03:52] <azureal> i wish i could speak binary
[03:52] <chuckyp> kyle__, okay I can't find a good page on it so here is my instrutions
[03:53] <vertana> azureal: It's easy.  (numbers... can't read it like english though :P)
[03:53] <gunfus> so if I am running with 'sudo nautilus' and I delete a file where does the delete file go?
[03:53] <vertana> /root/.trash
[03:53] <chuckyp> kyle__, are you able to get to a console and know how to use it?
[03:53] <nalioth> gunfus: first, don't "sudo nautilus", you will wreck your system
[03:53] <nalioth> !tell gunfus about gksudo
[03:53] <_Er1K_> michael: make sure the end of your "deb http://archive.ubuntu" whatever line has "main restricted universe multiverse" at the end
[03:53] <kyle__> chuckyp, yea
[03:53] <vertana> Yeah... that's smart advice lol
[03:54] <gunfus> nalioth: ohh okay
[03:54] <azureal> ah, now i'm getting a "no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators found, aborting"
[03:54] <CaptainMorgan> is there a command to view which version of compiler Im running (g++) ?
[03:54] <jrib> CaptainMorgan: gcc -v
[03:55] <michael> _Er1K_:  en, I will.  thank you.
[03:55] <urz> lspci | grep audio is nothing
[03:55] <azureal> my window manager is compiled from source; what is a session manager, and yes, it's true i have no terminals..
[03:55] <_Er1K_> $ g++ --version
[03:55] <_Er1K_> g++ (GCC) 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu4)
[03:55] <chuckyp> kyle__, ahh never mind I found the page  there are two options you have using the gui or using apt-get via console check it out.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[03:56] <kyle__> chuckyp, i'd check it out, but i can't open firefox
[03:56] <chuckyp> kyle__, durr my bad
[03:56] <chuckyp> kyle__ lol
[03:56] <chuckyp> kyle__, first you should back up any data that you really need on your system.
[03:57] <chuckyp> kyle__, is your system up to date currently?
[03:57] <gunfus> nalioth: gksudo -u root nautilus --browser is not quite working
[03:57] <scot524> Is there a way to find out what package an individual file is in? A python module I am trying to install is looking for mssql.c
[03:57] <gunfus> well it doesn't work for me
[03:58] <kyle__> chuckyp, no i just checked System>Administration>Update Manager and it had a bunch of files like 205 mb worth
[03:58] <nalioth> gunfus: just alt-f2 > 'gksudo nautilus'
[03:58] <wasabi> There anyway to boot the livecd to a console?
[03:58] <michael> _Er1K_:  it says: unable to open /var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu.cn99.com_ubuntu_dists_main_restricted_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[03:58] <wasabi> X is broken on this system.
[03:58] <jrib> scot524: packages.ubuntu.com has a search or you can use apt-file
[03:58] <chuckyp> kyle__, well I would apply those updates prior to doing a dist-upgrade just to be safe.
[03:58] <gunfus> nalioth: ohh COOL!
[03:58] <gunfus> I learn a short-cut
[03:58] <scot524> apt-file .. thx
[03:58] <cd32fan> good evening
[03:58] <chuckyp> kyle__, after you apply those you want to just click on "check" in the update manager it should show you that dapper is availible.
[03:58] <jrib> scot524: what python module by the way?
[03:59] <chuckyp> kyle__, and offer you to upgrade
[03:59] <tyler_d> ktorrent won't run, tried reboot, re-install??
[03:59] <AdamPA> hi
[03:59] <nalioth> !tell scot524 about apt-file
[03:59] <tyler_d> no error messages?
[03:59] <kyle__> chuckyp, i wont have to manually edit sources.list or ...
[03:59] <cd32fan> can someone help please,i tried to install the ATI drivers,and now i cant boot into X
[03:59] <AdamPA> Anyone know if Ubuntu and Acrobat have a plugin to open Acrobat PDF Forms?
[03:59] <vertana> Wow... Irssi is awesome!  :D
[03:59] <chuckyp> kyle__, not if the update manger is working properly it should prompt you about the new version of dapper.
[03:59] <nalioth> !tell cd32fan about xcfg
[04:00] <tyler_d> cd32fan: escape and boot into console
[04:00] <cd32fan> what can i say?
[04:00] <cd32fan> okay
[04:00] <kyle__> alright i'll see where it takes me then, thx
[04:00] <bsytko> Hello, does anyone know of any decent FTP clients? And please don't say gFTP because it is seriously lacking.
[04:00] <Samuli^> AdamPa, what?
[04:00] <tyler_d> cd32fan: then type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:00] <chuckyp> kyle__, if you need to launch the update manager for whatever reason you could open a terminal or alt+f2 to bring up a run command then type gksudo update-manager
[04:00] <Samuli^> AdamPA, do you mean if it's possible to view pdf documents on ubuntu?
[04:00] <tyler_d> cd32fan: walk through that and reboot
[04:00] <wasabi> There anyway to boot the livecd to a console?
[04:00] <cd32fan> im going to type here what i see here
[04:01] <AdamPA> Samuli^ I mean, I made a filable pdf and cant use it
[04:01] <chuckyp> wasabi, you could just kill gdm
[04:01] <chuckyp> wasabi, but to boot to console I don't beleive you can do that.
[04:01] <wasabi> it locks the system up, so no.
[04:02] <cd32fan> something about not being implemented,the info is too complicated
[04:02] <chuckyp> wasabi, well what about ctrl+alt+f1-f6 should bring up text consoles unless its really lockec.
[04:02] <wasabi> It is really locked.
[04:02] <wasabi> I figured it out.  live casper-udeb/runlevel=S =)
[04:02] <vertana> Just a note for everyone.  It's a good idea to at least become comfortable with irssi... in case your x server breaks (irssi uses terminal).  That way if you can't figure out the solution to your problem you can at least connect to this channel :)
[04:03] <chuckyp> wasabi, there you go yeah if you change the runlevels you should be fine.
[04:03] <PEggerr> I am trying to compile openssl-0.9.8d.tar.gz  from source,  but it just had a error during the make test http://pastebin.com/805628
[04:03] <chuckyp> wasabi, didn't even think abou thtat.  runlevel 3 should be what you are looking for.
[04:04] <cd32fan> tyler_d:thanks
[04:05] <cd32fan> by the way,where can i find the latest ATI drivers for ubuntu?
[04:05] <techno_freak> When the screen saver runs, I get only a black screen, also i get this error:  -1 libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b, any idea whats wrong ?
[04:06] <cd32fan> tyler_d:how much mem should i put in the graphics?
[04:07] <cd32fan> or should i leave it blank?
[04:07] <MrRothstein> could somebody help me figure out a sound problem?
[04:07] <cd32fan> thank you
[04:07] <MrRothstein> stopped working after an update
[04:07] <MrRothstein> works on the login screen
[04:07] <MrRothstein> i think i have to chmod something
[04:08] <ReinH> What do you guys think of the Ubuntu Unleashed book?
[04:08] <ed101> Anyone know of a plugin to BEAGLE so it indexes Evolution MEMOS?
[04:08] <arakn0> can i upgrade from warty to dapper directly??
[04:09] <vlt> Hello. I want match an IP to MAC addresses. What's wromg with the following iptables rule? -A CHECK_IP -m mac --mac-source $MAC -p tcp -s ! $IP -j REJECT
[04:09] <sekhar> hello
[04:09] <sekhar> dudes help me
[04:09] <ed101> hi
[04:09] <sekhar> i am new to ubunbtu
[04:09] <ed101> sup
[04:10] <sekhar> edl101 you gionna help me
[04:10] <ed101> dunno what you got?
[04:10] <MrRothstein> when i run esd as root, i hear a sound
[04:10] <heatxsink> hello all how do I install multiple xorg drivers without removing one
[04:11] <MrRothstein> but when i run it as a regular user i get a bunch of errors
[04:11] <chuckyp> heatxsink, create another device entry
[04:11] <vertana> If you install another drive you have an extremely good chance of breaking your x server.
[04:11] <heatxsink> i did
[04:11] <ed101> talking about sound, how can I use 2 music players at once like in windows?
[04:11] <sekhar> i installed Kde in ubuntu dapper drake!! but now when i run sudo apt get install any sware gives me a lot of dependency errors
[04:12] <chuckyp> ed101, are you in ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:12] <seamus7> Hi all ... anyone know where I might find default icons for programs that aren't in the usr/share/pixmaps directory ... I guess I'm wondering what system folder a program like 'CheckGmail' might keep it's panel notification icons??
[04:12] <ed101> ubuntu
[04:12] <chuckyp> heatxsink, then you did it.
[04:12] <sekhar> ubuntu
[04:12] <minerale> Is anyone here fluid in regex? I'm trying to parse http://www.somesite.com/path1/path2/   looking to pull only 'path1'
[04:12] <heatxsink> when I apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx it wants to uninstall my nvidia-glx
[04:12] <minerale> I just came back from Barnes And nobles I saw they had the Ubuntu oficial book out for sale displayed prominently
[04:12] <heatxsink> I'm running both a nvidia card and a ati card
[04:12] <heatxsink> for three heads
[04:12] <chuckyp> heatxsink, yeah apt-get will remove it but if you feed it manually should work.
[04:13] <kevin__> are you using fluxbox?
[04:13] <heatxsink> chuckyp, how do I feed it manually?
[04:13] <MrRothstein> http://www\.*\.com\(*)\.*
[04:13] <chuckyp> heatxsink, hrm...
[04:13] <heatxsink> oh via dpkg?
[04:13] <sekhar> hellloooo
[04:13] <kevin__> yes
[04:13] <chuckyp> heatxsink, well dpkg'ng the deb might work unless the config for the fglrx removes other displays.
[04:13] <chuckyp> heatxsink, I'm sure someone here would know or someone on the forums has done it.
[04:14] <sekhar> chuckyp help me i think you are a geek
[04:14] <chuckyp> sekhar, not a geek
[04:14] <MrRothstein> about sound, i chmoded everything in dev/snd 666
[04:14] <chuckyp> sekhar, bored and trying to stay up all night.
[04:14] <dark_light> MrRothstein, it's a regex? the part that has \(*), probably it's an error .o
[04:14] <sekhar> chuckyp,did you read my problem
[04:14] <cd32fan> what is the command for installing the ATi drivers?
[04:14] <chuckyp> sekhar, and you can only go so far on pr0n
[04:14] <chuckyp> sekhar, no what was your problem.
[04:15] <MrRothstein> http://www\.*\.com\(.*)\.* ?
[04:15] <MrRothstein> without the question mark
[04:15] <sekhar> chuckyp,i installed Kde in ubuntu dapper drake!! but now when i run sudo apt get install any sware gives me a lot of dependency errors
[04:15] <kevin__> http://www.tenr.de/gfx/space_dapp_small.png - can any one help me I need the name of this fluxbox style
[04:15] <ed101> sekhar you need to download kubuntu and reinstall
[04:15] <ed101> dummass
[04:16] <chuckyp> sekhar, well try sudo aptitude install packagename that will prompt you if you want to fix the dependency issues.
[04:16] <PEggerr> I am trying to compile openssl-0.9.8d.tar.gz  from source,  but it just had a error during the make test http://pastebin.com/805628
[04:16] <chuckyp> PEggerr, did you try talking with the openssl support?  or just installing via apt-get
[04:16] <wickedpuppy> PEggerr, you do know that openssl is in the repo .??
[04:16] <sekhar> well did you try kde
[04:16] <sekhar> ?
[04:16] <sekhar> chuckyp,dude
[04:17] <ed101> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome ..
[04:17] <PEggerr> chuckyp, apt-get is too old
[04:17] <chuckyp> sekhar, what?
[04:17] <chuckyp> PEggerr, hold up
[04:17] <chuckyp> !openssl
[04:17] <ubotu> openssl: Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.8a-7ubuntu0.3 (dapper), package size 952 kB, installed size 2268 kB
[04:17] <ed101> sekhar you need to return your computer because your too dumb to use it ..
[04:17] <PEggerr> what is so wrong with wanting to compile from source?
[04:18] <sekhar> chuckyp, can i simultaneasly install kde,gnome, xifc
[04:18] <menace82> hello... i'll ask something that is off-topic... does anybody knows how to create a search query in OO.org database?
[04:18] <sekhar> ed101, dude we can use kde in ubuntu hmmm
[04:18] <chuckyp> sekhar, yes you can have multiple window managers
[04:18] <chuckyp> sekhar, to install kde i would sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:19] <sekhar> chuckyp, will that cause any dependency issues
[04:19] <chuckyp> sekhar, you will still have gnome and kde
[04:19] <kevin__> http://www.tenr.de/gfx/space_dapp_big.png - this tyle looks great
[04:19] <sekhar> chuckyp, dude thanx sudo aptitude worked
[04:19] <chuckyp> sekhar, no won't cause any issues.  You can run all the window managers out there.  When you go to log in you just select which one you want to log in to.  Click Options>Session>  then you pick kde gnome etc... whatever you want if you have both installe.d.
[04:20] <seamus7> Hi ... Which folder do programs generally install into?
[04:20] <chuckyp> seamus7, depends  what are you trying to do?
[04:20] <kestas> what's the ubuntu chat channel?
[04:20] <heatxsink> anyone in here ever go three monitors?
[04:20] <sekhar> chuckyp, what was the reasson
[04:20] <ed101> fyi if you dont like using sudo, you can "su -" then passwd root and create a password for root.. sometimes sudo gets annoying ..
[04:20] <sekhar> ?
[04:20] <kevin__> http://www.tenr.de/gfx/space_dapp_big.png - -GOD HELP ME - I need this fluxbox style name
[04:20] <chuckyp> sekhar, what reason?
[04:20] <wickedpuppy> kevin__, i were you .. i ask in fluxbox forums or #fluxbox ...
[04:21] <kestas> exit
[04:21] <ed101> err .. i mean.. "sudo su -" then "passwd root"
[04:21] <seamus7> chuckyp: I'm looking for a programs panel icons in order to change them with gimp but they're not in usr/share/pixmaps
[04:21] <kevin__> thanks
[04:21] <sekhar> chuckyp, aptget din wok but aptitude worked
[04:21] <sekhar> ?
[04:22] <chuckyp> sekhar, aptitude has the ability to resolve dependency issues apt-get does not.
[04:22] <chuckyp> sekhar, I just use aptitude instead of apt-get
[04:22] <sekhar> chuckyp, how is xifc is that good?
[04:22] <chuckyp> sekhar, it handles stuff a lot better.
[04:22] <chuckyp> sekhar, you mean xfce?
[04:23] <MrRothstein> minerale, if you're still here, http://.*/(.*)/.*
[04:23] <sekhar> chuckyp, yep
[04:23] <debbb_> hi. i have 2 ubuntu machines on a wlan at home, both of them are sshing to a freebsd machine on the internet. however one of the ubuntu boxes keeps 'freezing' my ssh session: that is, it doesnt accept more input. but if i from my other machine start screen -rx i can see the output of when i type on the first machine and also any text scrolling, but i cant give any input from the first machine
[04:23] <minerale> oh thanks mrrothstein
[04:23] <chuckyp> sekhar, I don't know what xifc is but if you mean xfce its pretty neat if you are running on older hardware uses a lot less resources etc... you can install that by adding xubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <pluto> How can I find the HOWTO docs in Ubuntu?
[04:24] <MrRothstein> anybody has any guesses about the sound problem?
[04:24] <MrRothstein> seems to work as root but not as a user
[04:24] <chuckyp> pluto, the desktop guide?
[04:24] <tritium> pluto: they're in the doc-linux-* packages
[04:24] <debbb_> MrRothstein, whats the permission on your sound device?
[04:24] <MrRothstein> is that /dev/snd/* ?
[04:24] <sekhar> chuckyp, waht about fluxbox
[04:24] <sid> How can I tell if I have any non-free software on my Ubuntu machine?
[04:24] <MrRothstein> i chmodded everything there to 666
[04:25] <MrRothstein> still didnt work
[04:25] <sid> ie, non-free firmware/drivers or something.
[04:25] <ed101> try "killall esd"
[04:25] <sid> non-free(launchpad crap is installed)
[04:25] <debbb_> MrRothstein yes
[04:25] <kholerabbi> if I log out on a livecd how do I log back in? I mean, what is the username and password?
[04:25] <chuckyp> sekhar, they all have their own perks but it depends what you are really looking for?  If you have newer hardware and you want a lot of eye candy I would go with kde.  If you have older harware and need the speed check out xfce.  Personally I use gnome but occasionally switch to kde depending on my mood.
[04:25] <seamus7> Which folder would an application like Check
[04:25] <seamus7> oops
[04:25] <pluto> tritium: where is that?
[04:25] <debbb_> MrRothstein they should show that root and group audio ahs read/write access.. make sure your user is in the grup called audio
[04:26] <MrRothstein> ed101, esd: no process killed
[04:26] <seamus7> Which folder would an app like CheckGmail install into ... I'm looking for its panel icons but they're not in the default usr/share/pixmaps directory
[04:26] <pluto> tritium: I tried looking in /usr/share/doc, but there is no HOW TO directory
[04:26] <ed101> MrRothstein hmm.. no esd running ..
[04:27] <MrRothstein> ed101, right, but if i su root, i can run esd and hear a sound
[04:27] <MrRothstein> but get an error as a user
[04:27] <debbb_> read what i said above
[04:27] <debbb_> :)
[04:27] <ed101> like debb said, see if your user has sound permission in <system> <Adminis..><Users and groups>
[04:28] <pluto> Need help with screen resolution.. Intel I740 video card.
[04:28] <MrRothstein> debbb_, whats the command to add user to group?
[04:28] <sekhar> chuckyp, you herad of window maker?
[04:28] <debbb_> MrRothstein usermod -G -a
[04:28] <tritium> MrRothstein: adduser <username> <groupname>
[04:29] <debbb_> usermod -G -a audio youruser
[04:29] <berent> unable to open a vcd
[04:29] <berent> mplayer says seek failed
[04:30] <chuckyp> !tell berent about codecs
[04:30] <berent> totem says plugin not available
[04:30] <berent> vcd has a .dat file
[04:30] <pluto> What is beryl?
[04:31] <screechingcat> berent, play it with vlc
[04:31] <MrRothstein> should i restart now?
[04:31] <kitche> pluto: beryl is the community version of compiz it has no gnome dependencies
[04:31] <pluto> kitche: Thank you.
[04:31] <shwag> im trying to boot off the ubuntu cd, but it seems to detect that I already have it installed and goes staight to grub. Is there is way to force it to boot off the cd ?
[04:32] <debbb_> shwag sounds like u need to configure your bios to boot off cd
[04:32] <debbb_> before hdd
[04:32] <pluto> kitche: what is compiz?
[04:32] <debbb_> compiz is elite.
[04:33] <ArrenLex> compiz is a window manager which has fancy 3D effects.
[04:33] <ArrenLex> Think "you move a window and it jiggles" and you're halfway there.
[04:33] <kyo> never heard of compiz
[04:33] <kitche> pluto: it's just an eye candy window manager
[04:33] <kyo> i use blackbox
[04:33] <berent> vlc says read acccess error i/o error
[04:33] <urz> ok
[04:33] <screechingcat> kyo, the other end of the spectrum huh >
[04:33] <urz> i just cant make my sound work
[04:33] <kyo> :D
[04:34] <arepie> anybody out there have an excelent way to install ati driver? fglrx ?
[04:34] <kyo> i tried a few others but im just stickin with blackbox
[04:34] <kyo> gnome is boring
[04:34] <ArrenLex> arepie: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:34] <berent> vlc says read acccess error i/o error screechingcat
[04:34] <screechingcat> berent, VCD support in linux is usually terrible. the only one im able to use is VLC. try Mplayer too
[04:34] <ArrenLex> MPlayer is life.
[04:34] <krayzone> fluxbox is the best windows manager in my opinion
[04:34] <kevin__> gnome you are saing boring - may you are wrong
[04:34] <rixth> Whenever sound tries to play I see "ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:224:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-7407-1160639831-13790: No such file or directory" how do I fix?
[04:34] <kyo> lol
[04:35] <kyo> just an opionion
[04:35] <krayzone> true
[04:35] <berent> tried it also it says seek failed screechingcat
[04:35] <krayzone> depends on what you running and if you prefer minimalistic or not
[04:35] <screechingcat> berent, boot into windows and watch it. no other option. thats what i do
[04:35] <debbb_> krayzone i love fluxbox too, use it on all my boxes with less good hw
[04:35] <berent> no windows
[04:35] <ArrenLex> berent: Have you tried mplayer?
[04:36] <debbb_> now tho i prefer gnome after just sticking with it in ubut
[04:36] <kyo> never tried fluxbox but it seems like the majority window manager
[04:36] <berent> yes it says "seek failed"
[04:36] <MrRothstein> it worked!!!
[04:36] <krayzone> yeah, i use them all, right now im using all command line, but Im starting to like gnome alot more then I did before. Totally agianst kde
[04:36] <arepie> ArrenLex: after install xorg-driver-fglrx, what should i do?
[04:36] <screechingcat> i need some help with running kicker in Gnome. it runs alright but when i hit the configure panel it returns errors. here's a screenshot - http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9748/screenshotkd5.png
[04:36] <pluto> kitche: So is it fair to say beryl is just another GUI?
[04:36] <MrRothstein> thank you all very much
[04:36] <ArrenLex> KDE is life.
[04:36] <debbb_> MrRothstein wha worked
[04:36] <ArrenLex> arepie: if it installs correctly, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the fglrx driver.
[04:37] <MrRothstein> adding myself to the audio group and restarting
[04:37] <krayzone> In my opinion kde is to heavy of a software for my own taste
[04:37] <debbb_> MrRothstein good
[04:37] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, KDE crawls
[04:37] <MrRothstein> thanks again
[04:37] <debbb_> np
[04:37] <kitche> pluto: correct well it's a window manager it can run on gnome KDE XFCE
[04:37] <ArrenLex> On old hardware? Maybe. Doesn't mean it sucks.
[04:37] <pluto> kitche: Thanks for the explanation!  :)
[04:37] <ArrenLex> pluto: no, it isn't. It's a window manager, like compiz, like sawfish, like kwin.
[04:37] <screechingcat> well it crawls on a P4 with 512mb ram
[04:38] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: I had a p4 with 256 MB of ram with KDE running and it was perfectly fine.
[04:38] <arepie> ArrenLex: before this, i have tried so many times, my OpenGL will still be Mesa, do you have any reason?
[04:38] <ArrenLex> arepie: there may be many reasons. Have you looked at logs?
[04:38] <pluto> ArrenLex: A window manager is foreign to me.  I am a linux newbie.  What does Windows have that would be comparable?
[04:39] <screechingcat> well, i dunno what went wrong in mine. i installed kubuntu-desktop and it just took soooo much time to even open a window that i gave up and removed it
[04:39] <cge> pluto: You can't change the wm in Windows.
[04:39] <ArrenLex> pluto: what is your concept of a "window"?
[04:39] <shwag> im trying to boot off the ubuntu cd, but it seems to detect that I already have it installed and goes staight to grub. Is there is way to force it to boot off the cd ?
[04:39] <screechingcat> pluto, explorer
[04:39] <bawnpa> what can I do to stop my machine from crashing when the clock is set backwards in time
[04:39] <arepie> yes i looked at the error, but i don't know what to do.. :-$
[04:39] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: no, explorer is the whole shell. Like gnome.
[04:39] <krayzone> in windows you can. You can install blackbox for windows. Check out boxshots.org
[04:39] <bawnpa> i put ntpdate in hourly crontab, apparently even that isn't enough
[04:39] <pluto> screechingcat: I'm not sure.
[04:39] <ArrenLex> arepie: and what was this frightening error?
[04:39] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, (foot-in-mouth)
[04:39] <bawnpa> my computer can't keep track of time! :(
[04:39] <debbb_> hi. i have 2 ubuntu machines on a wlan at home, both of them are sshing to a freebsd machine on the internet. however one of the ubuntu boxes keeps 'freezing' my ssh session: that is, it doesnt accept more input. but if i from my other machine start screen -rx i can see the output of when i type on the first machine and also any text scrolling, but i cant give any input from the first machine
[04:40] <cge> pluto: The WM is basically what controls the windows. It draws the title bars on the windows, and manages positions, and focus, and minimisation, and all of those things.
[04:40] <cge> krayzone: Oh. I didn't know that.
[04:40] <arepie> ArrenLex: i'll show you right after i install this xorg driver
[04:40] <screechingcat> does anyone here use kicker on gnome ?
[04:40] <krayzone> yeah, serach for windows managers for windows. But I stand by blackbox. Im sure if you check out boxshots.org you will definitly like it.
[04:40] <ArrenLex> o_O why would you do that?
[04:40] <ArrenLex> (@cat)
[04:40] <screechingcat> its the best dock
[04:40] <pluto> cge: I can understand that.  Can you tell me why one would want a different WM?
[04:41] <ArrenLex> pluto: some WMs are faster, some are more customisable. Depends what you like.
[04:41] <cge> pluto: They can all do different things.
[04:41] <krayzone> for somethign more light and stable. And to also customize an os to there liking with different plugins that are supoorted by the wm.
[04:41] <kyo> all window managers are all really the same concept..just depends on your taste and what you want to do i guess
[04:41] <ArrenLex> pluto: some, like beryl, can do fancy 3D things to windows, like jiggle them.
[04:41] <sproingie> compiz has jigle
[04:41] <sproingie> jiggle even
[04:41] <ArrenLex> Yes.
[04:42] <TomChire> !apf
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <krayzone> Requires some more intense hardware also
[04:42] <pluto> Thank you both ArrenLex  & cge !  I learn something new everyday
[04:42] <screechingcat> !kicker
[04:42] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1855 kB, installed size 5576 kB
[04:42] <cge> pluto: The WM in GNOME is very easy to use and unintrusive. Beryl and Compiz have impressive graphical effects. I'm using XFWM4, which has support for things like edge-flipping and is nicer that GNOME's WM in my opinion.
[04:43] <ArrenLex> I've already forgotten: who posted http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9748/screenshotkd5.png ?
[04:43] <screechingcat> me
[04:43] <cge> pluto: And then there are WMs like WMII and Ion3, which have a completely different way of managing windows.
[04:43] <ArrenLex> "kcontrol" package, screechingcat.
[04:43] <ArrenLex> That's where the library is.
[04:43] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, thanks.
[04:43] <vertana_> I've tried multiple times to install compiz on my Edgy distro (I have NVIDIA 5700 Ultra card) and everytime it messed up my graphics.
[04:43] <vertana_> Once I had to wipe the HDD and reinstall : /
[04:43] <shwag> does the ubuntu boot disk automatically boot of the HD if it detects ubuntu is already installed?
[04:43] <cge> vertana_: Compiz and beryl tend to do that ...
[04:43] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: in the future, if something tells you it can't find a library, go to packages.ubuntu.com or packages.debian.org and use the second box -- filename search. Debian.org is faster.
[04:43] <vertana_> shawg: yes.
[04:43] <pluto> cge: I can install these WM's ontop of GNOME?
[04:43] <btboudreaux> did anyone see the beryl demo on youtube that was posted on digg? what WM was that??
[04:44] <sproingie>  compiz is mighty picky
[04:44] <ArrenLex> shwag: no.
[04:44] <vertana_> shawg: just go into your BIOS and make sure the CD boots before the HDD.
[04:44] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, YES SIR !!! UNDERSTOOD SIR !!
[04:44] <shwag> ArrenLex: then how come I can't boot off this cd ?
[04:44] <cge> pluto: You can with beryl, compiz, XFWM4, and a few others, but there isn't a really easy way to do it.
[04:44] <krayzone> pluto: you can install some wm on top of gnome, and your gnome programs will remain avaiable when you install them on top of gnome.
[04:44] <urz> http://rafb.net/paste/results/aI3jyy92.html
[04:44] <urz> that is my lspci
[04:45] <kholerabbi> i installed xgl, but I don
[04:45] <kholerabbi> 't know gow to install or use compiz
[04:45] <urz> what sound module do i install?
[04:45] <kyle__> alright so my Firefox installation is broken and its effecting synaptic, update manager.. this is the error i'm getting "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5.10.3_i386.deb: error creating symbolic link `./usr/bin/firefox'
[04:45] <kyle__> "
[04:45] <PEggerr> chuckyp, I need the libssl headers because in order to build openvpn
[04:45] <btboudreaux> beryl looks a lot smoother than compiz did
[04:45] <kitche> btboudreaux: umm probably xcfe or it might have been beryl by itself
[04:45] <pluto> cge: If I don't want to install ontop of GNOME, then I what options do I have?
[04:45] <vertana_> kholerabbi: I wouldn't try it unless you backed up your data and were sure it's what you wanna try.
[04:45] <kitche> btboudreaux: umm compiz is still around
[04:45] <vertana_> khol: It's a nice project though :)
[04:45] <btboudreaux> yeah i know
[04:45] <kholerabbi> vertana_: I'm using a livecd so doesn't matter
[04:46] <bruenig> kyle__, do file /usr/bin/firefox and post the output
[04:46] <kyle__> what can i do to fix all of this while keeping all my stuff on my system
[04:46] <cge> pluto: You can use just the WM, usually. You can install it, and then select it as the session in the login screen.
[04:46] <sproingie> the ice weasels ate your firefox
[04:46] <vertana_> Aaaah.
[04:46] <cge> pluto: If there isn't a session listed there, you can write the commands in ~/.xsession, and use the
[04:46] <kyle__> ok
[04:46] <btboudreaux> you can have beryl by itself without gnome?
[04:46] <vertana_> Let me find you the link... you are using dapper correct?
[04:46] <cge> pluto: "default system session" option
[04:46] <kholerabbi> yup
[04:46] <pluto> cge: AH, like I did when I installed KDE!
[04:46] <vertana_> One second please.
[04:46] <kitche> btboudreaux: beryl doesn't need gnome unlike compiz
[04:46] <cge> pluto: Yes.
[04:46] <btboudreaux> interesting
[04:46] <kyle__> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5.10.3_i386.deb: error creating symbolic link `./usr/bin/firefox'
[04:47] <cge> pluto: unfortunately, I need to leave now, so I can't tell you the specifics of how to do so.
[04:47] <vertana_> www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:47] <bruenig> kyle__, open a terminal and do this "file /usr/bin/firefox" tell me what it says...
[04:47] <vertana_> Search the page for the word "compiz"
[04:47] <kholerabbi> hmm ok thanks
[04:47] <pluto> cge: Thanks for the info.  Catch ya later.
[04:47] <kyle__> kyle@banger:~$ file /usr/bin/firefox
[04:47] <kyle__> /usr/bin/firefox: broken symbolic link to `../lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox'
[04:47] <Vexor> the water drink with a hint of sugar?
[04:47] <vertana_> I was gonna get you another (better) link.. but it's long and I'm on irssi.
[04:47] <keithhhh> what do you guys to unrar software?
[04:47] <vertana_> So it won't let me c/p it.
[04:47] <kitche> btboudreaux: but anyways I only used beryl even when it was called compiz-quinnstorm but that was just patches where now it's a full window manager
[04:47] <vertana_> www.rarlabs.com
[04:47] <vertana_> Download rar for linux.
[04:48] <vertana_> Then install it.
[04:48] <jerrcs> hi. im trying to use nfsd and mount to create a virtual directory sortof, any idea why mount locks up when i try to mount the remote filesystem?
[04:48] <screechingcat> hey ArrenLex one question. if kicker needs something from that package then how come apt-get and aptitude dint install it along with kicker ?
[04:48] <bruenig> kyle, ok follow these commands, "sudo rm /usr/bin/firefox && sudo ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox"
[04:48] <kitche> keithhhh: there is a package for ubuntu search the repos for unrar-free or unrar-nonfree
[04:48] <vertana_> After that rar files will work (almost) natively with your Archive Manager.
[04:48] <pluto> Can anyone help get my screen resolution to 85 hz?  I have a spectrum 9grl monitor and a Intel i740 video card.
[04:48] <wickedpuppy> !rar
[04:48] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[04:48] <kyle__> bruenig, and after that
[04:48] <bruenig> kyle, does it still fail?
[04:49] <screechingcat> keithhhh, just do sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[04:49] <arakn0> can i upgrade from warty to dapper directly??
[04:49] <bruenig> the symbolic link has been fixed at least
[04:49] <vertana_> don't use apt-get
[04:49] <bruenig> arakn0, I would guess no
[04:49] <berent> after i upgraded my breezy to dapper i think my applications haven't got upgraded
[04:49] <vertana_> Use aptitude
[04:49] <screechingcat> arakn0, you can. but it will mess up your system
[04:49] <berent> is there anything to be done
[04:49] <keithhhh> screechingcat: ya I did that but its not graphical
[04:49] <tritium> berent: that can't be
[04:49] <keithhhh> screechingcat: Im trying to switch a friend over to ubuntu as easy as possible heheh
[04:50] <screechingcat> keithhhh, after installing those two, archive manager should open rar archives too
[04:50] <kyle__> bruenig, sweet
[04:50] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: as you can see, kicker runs perfectly fine without that package. You only need that library if you want to change kicker settings. Thus it was most likely in one of the recommended packages.
[04:50] <bruenig> kyle__, that should fix firefox also
[04:50] <kyle__> don't get the error when running firefox but i don't know about the updates and what not
[04:51] <berent> tritium : lemme give example i dont have synaptic in place -dont have so many options in system->administration, my video players dont work and hell lot of other things
[04:51] <kyle__> ..didn't :/
[04:51] <bruenig> didn't fix firefox?
[04:51] <grok> can anyone tell me how i can find out which lib files aren't needed? like which ones aren't being used by any programs?
[04:51] <screechingcat> keithhhh, i know that rar and unrar are command line tools. but they add components to archive manager enabling it to open rar archives
[04:51] <kyle__> it's showing a starting firefox on the taskbar but that just closes and nothing after it
[04:51] <keithhhh> screechingcat: cool Ill ask my friend to test that
[04:51] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, but i dint even get a recommended packages list
[04:51] <ArrenLex> grok: "deborphan" will find packages that aren't in use (no other package you have installed depend on them). Is that what you want?
[04:52] <kitche> kyle_: run firefox in a console
[04:52] <bruenig> kyle__, I would assume that the /usr/lib/firefox directory is messed up
[04:52] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: I don't know what to tell you. I'm certainly not the package maintainer; I just read 'em like I call 'em.
[04:52] <vertana_> Anybody here using Irssi?
[04:52] <kitche> kyle_: might show the error for you
[04:52] <kitche> vertana_: yes
[04:52] <ArrenLex> call'em -> read'em ?> sees'em whatever.
[04:52] <berent> tritium : is it that because i upgraded from net and dint install from cd
[04:52] <grok> ArrenLex: kind of...i'm just looking to clean up my system after i remove gnome...i switched to xfce4 and i want to clear out the dependecies that aren't getting used
[04:52] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, maybe i should submit a bug or somethin ?
[04:53] <screechingcat> grok, yeah deborphan will do it
[04:53] <kyle__> no error hah just isn't running... let me do all the updates and what not and i'll be back in a few
[04:53] <bruenig> grok, I use deborphan, works pretty well
[04:53] <ArrenLex> grok: if you want to remove all gnome-dependent packages, check this out: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce.php
[04:53] <vertana_> I downloaded a theme from the site, but the picture in the background that was shown did not show up in my terminal.  Is that simply a terminal thing or Irssi thing? (Sorry if easy question... just turned to Linux :) )
[04:53] <grok> cool, thanks guys
[04:53] <bruenig> that command is probably a bit extreme, but you can cherry pick at least
[04:53] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: kicker runs fine without that package... you might file a bug if you wanted, but make sure to mark it low priority.
[04:54] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, awright thanks
[04:54] <Abst> How would I stop X from starting when I boot up, so I get a TTY?
[04:55] <ArrenLex> Abst: remove the gdm package.
[04:55] <Abst> vertana_: How so?
[04:55] <wickedpuppy> ArrenLex, you can boot to level 3 from grub ... isn't it ?
[04:55] <ArrenLex> wickedpuppy: who what where when why how? o_O
[04:55] <jafa> Hi guys, where is the best place to seek help/interact/provide feedback regarding Edgy? (LVM problems after upgrade from Dapper)
[04:55] <wickedpuppy> i remember doing it in rhel .. but not in ubuntu ..
[04:55] <vertana_> I asked about background in terminal... but it's so easy. (It's what I get for asking before trying :) )
[04:55] <tag> Does anyone have bluetooth internet connectivity through a cellphone working?
[04:55] <ArrenLex> jafa: #ubuntu+1
[04:56] <tag> I have yet to figure out what I gotta do for this
[04:56] <vertana_> I thought it would be a command, but it was simply a preference.
[04:56] <wickedpuppy> ArrenLex, in grub menu .. type e to edit ..  if you ever done acpi=off then you know what i mean .. type level 3 and grub will drop you to level 3
[04:56] <chuckyp> l
[04:56] <chuckyp> !test
[04:56] <ubotu> Failed.
[04:57] <jafa> ArrenLex: thanks
[04:57] <terranetnyc> will ubuntu run on my toshiba portege with 64megs ram?
[04:57] <ArrenLex> Wickedpuppy: sure, if you want to do it once. I was under the impression that he wanted to do it permanently? Maybe I misread.
[04:57] <wickedpuppy> no idea it will work in ubuntu though ... it works in rhel and fc3,4,5
[04:57] <wastrel> i think in debian runlevels are all the same
[04:57] <wastrel> so there's no "non x" runlevel
[04:57] <wickedpuppy> ArrenLex, ah k .. for permently then yes .. gdm be removed ... perhaps i am the one who misread
[04:57] <Abst> Why was my question stupid?
[04:57] <bruenig> terranetnyc, I think the minimum is listed as 128, xubuntu would probably be much better for a 64 meg computer
[04:57] <wastrel> so booting into runlevel 3 from grub is essentially identical as runlevel 5
[04:58] <terranetnyc> thanks!
[04:58] <wickedpuppy> wastrel, really ? wow ... then how do you say this program runs in level 3 but not in level 5 ?
[04:59] <Abst> How do I change the default windowmanager which X loads?
[04:59] <wickedpuppy> for servers its a must have .... X only on level 5 .. but servers rarely go to 5 unless the admin doesn't know what to do .. normally servers are in 3
[04:59] <Abst> hmm
[05:00] <wickedpuppy> wastrel, know any link on it ? i be happy to check it out ... my experience with servers are all rhel .. and sles
[05:00] <heatxsink> how do I install multiple xorg drivers?
[05:00] <ArrenLex> heatxsink: by installing mutiple xorg-driver-whatever packages.
[05:00] <ArrenLex> multiple *
[05:01] <heatxsink> ArrenLex, one package uninstalls another
[05:01] <heatxsink> !!!!
[05:01] <ArrenLex> heatxsink: install xorg-driver-all?
[05:01] <ArrenLex> Sorry, that's xserver-xorg-driver-all
[05:01] <Buglouse> has anyone tried to use FilaZilla for Linux?
[05:01] <Buglouse> I don't know how to install it... there is no readme
[05:02] <vertana_> BugLouse: Can you give a link?
[05:02] <Buglouse> I don't know how to install it... there is no readme
[05:02] <Buglouse> whoops
[05:02] <Buglouse> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21558
[05:02] <Abst> Anyone know what configuration file to edit in order to change the default window manager (when using startx)?
[05:02] <vertana_> Lmao, thank you =p
[05:03] <vertana_> Buglouse: I hate to kill your day but...
[05:03] <Abst> Cmoo
[05:03] <keithhhh> nabob2010: hey
[05:03] <vertana_> Buglouse: At the vert top it specifically says it's for Windows.
[05:03] <vertana_> very*
[05:03] <Buglouse> vertana_: they have a release for linux
[05:03] <Buglouse> scroll down
[05:03] <wickedpuppy> wastrel, ?
[05:04] <nabob2010> hey everybody :)
[05:04] <ArrenLex> Abst: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/changeman.html
[05:04] <Abst> I was on that site
[05:04] <Abst> the .xinitrc thing doesnt work
[05:04] <ArrenLex> Abst: so what don't you understand?
[05:04] <bruenig> Buglouse, which one did you get?
[05:04] <keithhhh> nabob2010: see me ??
[05:04] <Abst> Arcainus: I understand it
[05:04] <Buglouse> vertana_: its beta but people have been saying thats its not buggy and its nice for a gui ftp client
[05:04] <Buglouse> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla_3.0.0-beta1_i386-pc-freebsd5.4.tar.bz2?download
[05:05] <nabob2010> hey keithhhh
[05:05] <Digital_Pioneer> Is anyone familiar with the changes done by the convert-to-Christian-Ubuntu script?
[05:05] <wickedpuppy> Buglouse, there is gftp .. which is also gui ftp client ... looks ok to me
[05:05] <ArrenLex> What the hell? xD The WHAT script?
[05:05] <Berto> hi - will someone tell me the default user/group owner of /var/www/* ?
[05:05] <ArrenLex> I've GOT to see this.
[05:05] <keithhhh> nabob2010:  type kei then hit tab
[05:05] <vertana_> Bug: I've yet to dl it... but try cd'ing to the directory and type sh config ( or configure) && make install
[05:05] <Abst> Digital_Pioneer: Lots of pointless ones
[05:05] <Digital_Pioneer> ArrenLex: Just search up Christian Ubuntu and hit the downloads section. A ways down, you'll see the conversion script.
[05:05] <bruenig> Digital_Pioneer, assuming it makes the only changes that Christian Ubuntu does, it probably changes the artwork and adds gnomesword
[05:05] <ArrenLex> Berto: just look at the directory. Go to /var/www and type "ls -l" and it'll tell you who the owner\group is.
[05:05] <Buglouse> .. i tried it .. was to buggy for me.. doesn't transfer the files correctly.. they become corrupt.
[05:05] <keithhhh> nabob2010: if you dont use my name I might not see the message
[05:06] <kitche> Digital_Pioneer: umm only the Ubuntu CE devs knows what it does but if it's in bash I can probably figure it out
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> bruenig: I wish. It messed up my internet!
[05:06] <Berto> ArrenLex, haha i know, but i changed and wanted to know what the default SHOULD be :)
[05:06] <ArrenLex> Oh...
[05:06] <bruenig> Buglouse, it looks to be precompiled binaries...
[05:06] <vertana_> It wouldn't download it.
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> kitche: OK, how can I get a hold of the devs?
[05:06] <wickedpuppy> Berto, apache-default is by root ..
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> I want to know what it did to my internet.
[05:06] <kyle__> firefox in console doesn't return anything, and synaptic is still giving me the symbollic link error
[05:06] <Berto> wickedpuppy, so it's root.apache-default ?
[05:06] <screechingcat> Digital_Pioneer, #christian-ubuntu
[05:06] <vertana_> My sister is doing downloads in the background so my internet is like 1993 dialup right now :(
[05:06] <ArrenLex> Berto: this is what mine says: drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 2006-03-27 13:58 www
[05:06] <Digital_Pioneer> screechingcat: So THAT'S where they hid it... Thanks!
[05:07] <wickedpuppy> Berto, root.apache-default ??? is this java ? :P
[05:07] <bruenig> kyle__, see if there is anything in the firefox lib directory, ls /usr/lib/firefox/
[05:07] <screechingcat> Digital_Pioneer, no prob
[05:07] <bruenig> Buglouse, I would just add the extracted filezilla directory to the /opt directory and then launch it from there
[05:07] <Berto> ArrenLex, wickedpuppy thanks
[05:07] <vertana_> brue: Why /opt ?
[05:08] <ArrenLex> kyle__: why don't you just reinstall firefox? apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[05:08] <bruenig> vertana_, well /opt or ;
[05:08] <Digital_Pioneer> screechingcat: You sure about that/
[05:08] <bruenig> vertana_, well /opt or /usr/local or I suppose wherever, that is where I put stuff like that
[05:08] <pluto> From the command line, how can I search for my xorg.config file?
[05:08] <kyle__> bruenig, there's a bunch of stuff in that folder
[05:08] <O2> hello.........
[05:08] <vertana_> brue: Ah.  I thought there was a specific reason.
[05:08] <wickedpuppy> pluto, its i /etc/X11
[05:08] <wickedpuppy> pluto, its in /etc/X11
[05:08] <screechingcat> Digital_Pioneer, i remember reading it somehwere. y what happened ?
[05:08] <ArrenLex> pluto: xorg.conf is in /etc/X11. Generally, you can search for files by using the command "find <path> -name <filename>"
[05:08] <pluto> wickedpuppy: Thakns.
[05:08] <bruenig> vertana_, I read some stuff about the filesystem and it seemed to say that /opt is intended for that purpose
[05:08] <O2> must I put all my softwares open source in ubuntu ?
[05:08] <Digital_Pioneer> screechingcat: Doesn't exist.
[05:09] <bruenig> kyle__, do /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[05:09] <vertana_> brue: What purpose is that exactly?
[05:09] <wickedpuppy> O2, why ... you sure love this channel ...
[05:09] <screechingcat> Digital_Pioneer, just search the Wiki. thats were i found out about it first
[05:09] <btboudreaux> what does beryl look like without gnome? cant find any screenshots
[05:09] <O2> wickedpuppy:   I want to develop my games
[05:09] <kyle__> bruenig, it does nothing
[05:09] <screechingcat> does using Tor slow down your internet speed ?
[05:09] <wickedpuppy> O2, are you using opensource libraries ?
[05:09] <Buglouse> bruenig: do you mean move it to there and double click it?
[05:09] <vertana_> 02: Yes you must put in deb... it's the way of the future =p
[05:10] <bruenig> vertana_, to just hold the miscellaneous programs and stuff that don't go with everything else. So since everything else is gotten by apt-get, I put all compiled stuff or manual stuff in there
[05:10] <wickedpuppy> O2, let me be specific ... are you using GPL libraries ?
[05:10] <Digital_Pioneer> screechingcat: My web browsers don't work.
[05:10] <kdean06> What is the proper way to file a bug with Edgy?
[05:10] <vertana_> brue: Thanks... I might start doing that myself. currently EVERYTHING just goes into my $user
[05:10] <screechingcat> Digital_Pioneer, what happened ? i will look it up
[05:10] <O2> wickedpuppy:  I wonder do I have to open source my developments under linux
[05:11] <wickedpuppy> O2, thats why i am asking you ... are you using any GPL libraries ?
[05:11] <O2> If I don't use any GPL libs...
[05:11] <Digital_Pioneer> screechingcat: I installed that infernal script, which messed something up and now my web browsers won't go online! :(
[05:11] <RnB-Tunes> hi
[05:11] <vertana_> 02: It depends on who's toes your stepping on.
[05:11] <screechingcat> kdean06, first make sure that it is a bug and you arent doing something wrong
[05:11] <screechingcat> Digital_Pioneer, ok hold on
[05:11] <Digital_Pioneer> screechingcat: The odd thing is, I'm using this IRC on the same box.
[05:11] <vertana_> 02: If you use open source code... open source it goes.
[05:11] <pluto> I think I have a problem; I have 6 xorg.config files in X11.  What file is being used?
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[05:12] <SuperMiguel> http://apache.pastebin.ca/200354
[05:12] <THX-1138> Has anyone tried the colinux kernel?
[05:12] <ArrenLex> O2: of course you don't have to release the source of your programs unless you want to. Just make sure, if you're linking against LGPL libs, to link dynamically.
[05:12] <SuperMiguel> any ideas how to fix it
[05:12] <bruenig> Buglouse, nevermind, for some reason my binaries won't launch, but that is the idea. Or you could just create a launcher or menu shortcut, I don't know why my binaries aren't launching
[05:12] <screechingcat> there are spammers on IRC too ?
[05:12] <O2> vertana_: If i write a little program that doesn't deppends on any other libraries, then do I have to open source?
[05:12] <Trae> !grub
[05:12] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:12] <bruenig> kyle__, do "file /usr/lib/firefox/firefox"
[05:12] <vertana_> 02: No.
[05:12] <Lord_Kitchener> screechingcat: of course
[05:12] <ArrenLex> THX: what is the colinux kernel? I've tried using co-linux.
[05:12] <kdean06> screechingcat, I'm certain it's not me. Not sure if it's crashing, or focibly unloading, but the usbserial module drops. And attempting to reinsert it prompts a fatal error.
[05:13] <vertana_> 02: If you feel like being a nice guy and releasing a .bin that will do my math for the rest of my life... you wouldn't have to open source that =p
[05:13] <screechingcat> kdean06, launchpad.net
[05:13] <THX-1138> ArrenLex: Saw something on slashdot and i am interested.
[05:13] <O2> vertana_:  If I use a GPL library and I didn't modify it..... so ?
[05:13] <vertana_> 02: Of course, open source is always appreciated and helps people learn to program and advance their programming skills (along with improving your program)
[05:14] <ArrenLex> THX: what is the colinux kernel?
[05:14] <vertana_> 02: To be honest I'm not sure (I've never tried to dance on the edge of that one).
[05:14] <Lord_Kitchener> ArrenLex: co-linux allows you to run linux on windows almost natively
[05:14] <ArrenLex> O2: libraries are typically licensed under the LGPL. Programs are typically licensed under the GPL. Chances are, you won't find a GPL library.
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[05:14] <THX-1138> ArrenLex: I guess i need a bit more study. - The one page i found had kernel releases.
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[05:14] <ArrenLex> !mods
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mods - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <ArrenLex> !mod
[05:15] <bruenig> kyle__, what was the output for file /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mod - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <wickedpuppy> ArrenLex, you mean ops ?
[05:15] <wickedpuppy> well he left .. oh well
[05:15] <vertana_> Does anybody know when the Flash 9 beta will be out or is that still speculation at this point?
[05:15] <O2> ArrenLex:  If my program deppends on a LGPL library, but doesn't modify the library, do I have to open source my program?
[05:15] <pluto> I think I have a problem; I have 6 xorg.config files in X11.   Using another box, I can't find one.
[05:15] <kyle__> bruenig, /usr/lib/firefox/firefox: Bourne shell script text executable
[05:15] <Lord_Kitchener> vertana_: Flash 9 beta has been out for a while now
[05:15] <vertana_> Lord: For Linux? : /
[05:16] <wickedpuppy> O2, why are you against opensourcing the game ? i am curious ..
[05:16] <Lord_Kitchener> vertana_: yeah not sure where you can get it though
[05:16] <vertana_> I know where to get it.
[05:16] <vertana_> My best friend... google =p
[05:16] <bruenig> kyle__, that is odd, how the symbolic link could be broken, I have no idea. It is there, the symbolic link shouldn't be broken.
[05:16] <ixian_> is there a program for linux/ubuntu that allows 'widgets' on the desktop? similar to yahoo widgets for windows..
[05:16] <vertana_> I'll be back with either bad news or a link in a minute =P
[05:17] <O2> wickedpuppy:  I mean all programs, not only game
[05:17] <kyle__> bruenig, thanks
[05:17] <bruenig> kyle__, when you did ls /usr/lib/firefox, were there 33 things listed?
[05:17] <ArrenLex> O2: if you dynamically link to the library, no. If you link statically, yes
[05:17] <Dr_willis> !info gdesklets
[05:17] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 465 kB, installed size 2448 kB
[05:17] <ArrenLex> wickedpuppy: ops, mods, same thing. =P Thanks.
[05:17] <Trae> are there any grub experts here... I've read the grub help pages and can't seem to be able to do the following:  Ubuntu - /dev/hda1  ,  Mandriva - /dev/hda5   I want to be able to boot to both.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ixian_,  gdesklets for gnome, superkaramba for kde
[05:18] <O2> ArrenLex:  :-)  clearly, thanks!
[05:18] <Trae> in Ubuntu ATM.
[05:18] <ArrenLex> vertana: Flash 9 for Linux is "officially" slated for early 2007.
[05:18] <wickedpuppy> O2, there are commercial libraries ... qt for apps ... and garagegames.com torque game engine for games
[05:18] <kdean06> screechingcat, When attempting to connect in AT or p2k mode to a V3 RAZR, usbserial is unloaded. How would i trace the explicit cause of this? Like... To see if it's crashing (and where, if possible) or just vanishing...
[05:18] <wastrel> wickedpuppy:  by default i believe runlevels 3-5 are identical in debian, but users can of course customize
[05:18] <bruenig> ArrenLex, but the beta...
[05:18] <ArrenLex> vertana: follow the progress at blogs.adobe.com/Penguin.SWF
[05:18] <wastrel> was afk :]
[05:18] <ixian_> Dr_willis:  thanks
[05:18] <wickedpuppy> wastrel, its ok .. got a link for me ?
[05:19] <O2> ArrenLex: If I modify the LGPL library for my program, I only need to open source the modify library?
[05:19] <bruenig> I would settle for alpha at this point, anything is better than this flash 7 garbage.
[05:19] <vertana_> ArrenLex: Thanks... unfortunately they are still on the same last topic (Librarian) as last I checked.
[05:19] <kyle__> bruenig, yes... what happened i think is.. i was following the instructions for installing the NewVersion of firefox from the ubuntu.org wiki and something went wrong so i never got <IP_ADDRESS> .. 0.7 installed and now 1.0.7 isn't working
[05:19] <vertana_> Ah well... in due time.  Hopefully it will outshine what they currently have out for Linux :)
[05:19] <O2> ArrenLex:  and no need to open source my program, am I right?
[05:19] <bruenig> kyle__, you are using breezy?
[05:19] <ArrenLex> bruenig: the blog I linked to says the beta will be out "soon".
[05:19] <kyle__> bruenig, so i was instructed to upgrade to dapper, that's when i found out the symbollic link error
[05:20] <kyle__> yes breezy
[05:20] <ArrenLex> O2: no, you don't have to open-source your library unless you statically link to LGPL libraries or link to GPL libraries.
[05:20] <silly_girl22> pluto; grep patter /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:20] <silly_girl22> i meant pattern
[05:20] <silly_girl22> pluto: i misunderstood. you should do one of these too.   "sudo updatedb;locate xorg.conf" or "find -name xorg.conf /'
[05:20] <ArrenLex> O2: unless you want to =P How about it? Why not open source?
[05:20] <silly_girl22> kdean06: bugzilla
[05:20] <silly_girl22> !bugs
[05:20] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[05:20] <silly_girl22> and make sure the bug hasnt been reported or solved
[05:20] <terranetnyc> join #xubuntu
[05:20] <silly_girl22> and theres a bug software reporting tool
[05:20] <silly_girl22> does gnome have anything like KTorrent?
[05:20] <wickedpuppy> O2, btw ... isn't it more of questions for lawyers ? surely you are not going to take our words for it ? unless ArrenLex is a IP lawyer ... :P
[05:20] <bruenig> kyle__, ah, well, these were all intended for dapper. I don't remember breezy well enough to instruct that. I assume they would be similar but perhaps not
[05:20] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, ktorrent
[05:21] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, whats wrong with using it in gnome. thats what i do.
[05:21] <silly_girl22> screechingcat: thats what i said
[05:21] <bruenig> they should really put out an alpha, the only reason they decided against it is they have known bugs and they don't want people complaining about stuff they already know about.
[05:21] <wickedpuppy> lol
[05:21] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, and thats the answer too
[05:21] <vertana_> 02: Yeah I wouldn't trust anyone here strictcly for legal reasons, although I'm sure all the input they've given is correct or at least helpful... I wouldn't trust my remaining years or diginity on it =p
[05:21] <bruenig> utorrent rules all
[05:21] <O2> wickedpuppy & ArrenLex:  I will open source most of time, I ask only because I don't quite understand those licenses
[05:21] <vertana_> (Not even my own input for that matter :P)
[05:22] <screechingcat> bruenig, not on linux it doesent. on windows it does
[05:22] <kyle__> bruenig, do you know any instructions for upgrading to dapper
[05:22] <vertana_> I'm pretty sure I just negated all I said :P
[05:22] <silly_girl22> screechingcat: you know what i mean. a program made for gnome with gtk.
[05:22] <wickedpuppy> O2, as i said you can develop programs in qt ... then you can decide opensource or buy their license .. same with torque game engine
[05:22] <bruenig> screechingcat, still rules in linux, use it everyday all day, never close it
[05:22] <silly_girl22> bruenig: i dont believe that is for linux
[05:22] <ArrenLex> O2: have you read them? xD
[05:22] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, yes i know. but none of them are quite as good. and ktorrent works without any problems in Gnome. so why bother with anything else ?
[05:23] <bruenig> if you are going to use non native apps, might as well go with utorrent and get wine, since that is the best client hands down
[05:23] <O2> ArrenLex:  they are too long and there're some chapters I am not quite sure
[05:23] <screechingcat> bruenig, it slows down to a fraction of my download speed while running on linux
[05:23] <bruenig> screechingcat, that's a lie
[05:23] <silly_girl22> screechingcat: is ktorrent your #1 torrent software?
[05:23] <wasabi_> Anybody have a quick link to a howto on mastering your own live cd?
[05:23] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, yup
[05:23] <ArrenLex> O2: yes, a license being too long is a pretty good reason not to read it.
[05:24] <O2> ArrenLex: I am new on linux
[05:24] <Lord_Kitchener> wasabi_: look up babytux it has one
[05:24] <screechingcat> bruenig, its not a LIE. it might be a problem with my comp.
[05:24] <bruenig> it doesn't make sense why it would be slower
[05:24] <screechingcat> bruenig, or my connection. but y would i lie ?
[05:24] <O2> ArrenLex:  I would read it hardly later : P
[05:24] <bruenig> how do you even gauge that. Have you tried the same exact torrent with multiple clients? Even then the swarm and speeds may be lower at that point
[05:24] <silly_girl22> screechingcat: i have it. i havent used it yet, but im looking for a torrent now. bit tornado has worked good for me. i found ktorrent in suse live dvd.
[05:25] <minerale> I used gparted to resize my main ntfs partition... now that partition is empty... omg what can I do ?
[05:25] <vertana_> If I were to acquire OpenSSl would Irssi automatically recognize this?
[05:25] <ArrenLex> O2: GPL library means you must release source. LGPL library means you don't have to release source if you link dynamically.
[05:25] <screechingcat> bruenig, yes i did. (azureus, ktorrent and utorrent) and decided ktorrent was the best
[05:25] <screechingcat> bruenig, for linux that is
[05:25] <bruenig> for speed?
[05:25] <bruenig> they should all be the same, they are all using the same protocol there is no difference there.
[05:25] <screechingcat> bruenig, yeah
[05:25] <O2> Arr en,,,
[05:26] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, make sure you load the uPNP plugin to speed it up
[05:26] <ArrenLex> Like an arr pirate. o_o
[05:26] <O2> ArrenLex:   en, I think I have to read it later, to get the most understanding
[05:26] <ArrenLex> Yes, I too think that's the best way to get the most understanding out of a license. By reading it.
[05:26] <bruenig> screechingcat, unless you tested it in a substantive way, the voodoo, oh it went faster for the five minutes I was using it here doesn't make sense because speed varies on bittorrent by the nature of the protocol
[05:27] <screechingcat> bruenig, i get around 25-30 kBps on windows (utorrent) and 1-3kBps on linux (utorrent) and 1-5kBps(azureus) and Ktorrent matches my windows speed
[05:27] <O2>  : P
[05:27] <j0rg3> Hi
[05:28] <screechingcat> bruenig, yes i tested it properly. i downloaded a whole torrent in about 2 and a half days (utorrent + wine)
[05:28] <O2> I think I would open source, because I learn from them
[05:28] <bruenig> screechingcat, right but torrents vary in that way. You can be humming along at 150 KBs and then drop down to 20 KBs, the speeds are completely dependent on the peers which fluctuate
[05:29] <O2> I learnt a lot from open source
[05:29] <silly_girl22> screechingcat: how do i do that? does that plugin come with it?
[05:29] <bruenig> but whatever, it doesn't really make sense if a client is using the same protocol and the same ports and the same network how it could possible be slower inherently
[05:29] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, yeah it does. go to configure ktorrent and hit the plugins tab and load upnp
[05:30] <screechingcat> bruenig, one of the few great mysteries about my computer that i am yet to solve
[05:30] <j0rg3> Wow.  I am an Ubuntu n00b and I think I may havw jumpws in the wrong end of the pool.
[05:31] <j0rg3> jumped, rather
[05:31] <bruenig> screechingcat, maybe if you were behind a router and couldn't get the ports forwarded or something. I just have a dsl modem so it all tends to be the same as there is no need for forwarding.
[05:31] <ArrenLex> j0rg3: What happen? xD
[05:31] <screechingcat> bruenig, i am behind a router. but then how can u explain the way ktorrent works fine behind the router too ?
[05:31] <j0rg3> ArrentLex:  This is all way over my head.
[05:32] <screechingcat> A new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsetter is out
[05:32] <silly_girl22> screechingcat: i dont understand that plugin. its for port forwarding? how can it set up port forwarding on my router?
[05:32] <ArrenLex> j0rg: what is?
[05:32] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[05:32] <ArrenLex> !hi
[05:32] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[05:32] <vertana_> Lol.
[05:33] <EnsignRedshirt> Since the upgrade of Firefox to 1.5 in breezy, my media plugins are messed up.
[05:33] <screechingcat> silly_girl22, i dont think its for port forwarding. im not sure but it might be insecure for your computer too. but i just hit load and torrents speed up massively
[05:33] <bruenig> screechingcat, well you were talking about the upnp plugin. That is essentially what that does I think. Never looked to deeply into that as I don't need it. But I thought upnp had something to do with port forwarding and the like.
[05:34] <j0rg3> The conversation 'twixt screechingcat and bruenug.
[05:34] <EnsignRedshirt> Can anyone play the program availabe from the blue "speaker" button at this web page in Firefox: http://www.thislife.org/
[05:34] <EnsignRedshirt> *available
[05:34] <screechingcat> j0rg3, dont listen to it. i dont listen to half the ones goin on in here
[05:34] <j0rg3> LOL
[05:34] <railz> i'm playing around with fstab, I've never known a way of linux to 'reissue' whats in fstab without rebooting
[05:34] <noxxle> why does edgy take twice as long to boot?
[05:34] <railz> is there a way to do that?
[05:34] <noxxle> dapper took me 50s, edgy is taking 2min
[05:35] <j0rg3> I am n00b -- it sux
[05:35] <noxxle> lol
[05:35] <cuma_cumi> hmm
[05:35] <screechingcat> i hate the new edgy usplash
[05:35] <noxxle> also, edgy recognizes my soundcard, however it doesnt recognize my speakers!
[05:35] <vertana_> I like the new one better than Dapper.
[05:35] <noxxle> HOW SILLY IS THAT
[05:35] <vertana_> It's cleaner.
[05:35] <vertana_> (Although I would still like the messages to be there)
[05:35] <screechingcat> the dapper one is just fine. but they should just lose the text
[05:35] <bruenig> j0rg3, none of this has to do with ubuntu or linux. The same conversation could be had in a nerdy windows room.
[05:36] <noxxle> is anyone else getting longer boots under edgy??
[05:36] <cuma_cumi> i think dapper make ubuntu more friendly ya
[05:36] <j0rg3> Maybe - but Windows suxks.
[05:36] <screechingcat> j0rg3, or in #utorrent or #torrents or whatever
[05:36] <vertana_> My boot time decreased.
[05:36] <screechingcat> noxxle, me me me
[05:36] <noxxle> also can you recommend me a app that i can monitor my system's temperature??
[05:36] <bruenig> screechingcat, I hate that usplash too. Kind of makes you keep the ugly theme just to keep everything consistent. Hopefully people will come out with new usplashes though because this one is so pronounced for different themes.
[05:37] <flowbot> how do i set extra PATH variables in edgy? from what i remember, it is in ~/bash_profile, but it's not working ... it's not even picking up my home ~/bin folder
[05:37] <screechingcat> bruenig, i agree completely
[05:37] <ArrenLex> flowbot: isn't your path in /etc/environment?
[05:37] <j0rg3> I don't understand most of what I see.  I am *SO* n00b.
[05:38] <screechingcat> i heard someone was building a graphical usplash changing app. what happened to it ?
[05:38] <flowbot> ArrenLex, i'll check it out ... but isn't there a way of doing it per user, rather than globally?
[05:38] <EnsignRedshirt> railz: I'm not sure it will do exactly what you want, but check out the -a option in the mount command.
[05:38] <rredd4> aru  hi...
[05:38] <noxxle> also can you recommend me a app that i can monitor my system's temperature??
[05:38] <fdelacruz> sir anyone know ip subnetting
[05:38] <vertana_> j0rg3: It takes time and experience (neither of which I have yet :P).  Please refrain from using words such as "n00b."
[05:38] <screechingcat> j0rg3, start at the ubuntu wiki. read some random pages. whenever you see something you find intereseting in IRC but dont understand it, then look it up on wikipedia or the wiki
[05:38] <bruenig> screechingcat, a script should do. Just one that asks for the path to the usplash and then does its thing shouldn't be hard once somebody figures out or knows how exactly you go about changing the usplash
[05:39] <j0rg3> Sorry, why is it bad to refer to myslef as that forbidden term?
[05:39] <wastrel> bah why won't my printerrrrr print i hate printers
[05:39] <vertana_> j0rg3: It implies ignorance and/or immaturity.
[05:40] <flowbot> it implies ... noobity
[05:40] <wastrel> dear people.  i have a breezy system with a printer that works, and am trying to print to it from my dapper system.
[05:40] <sladen> bruenig: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[05:40] <screechingcat> bruenig, yeah thats true
[05:40] <bruenig> j0rg3, you catch on quickly. If you stay in here and try to follow along as much as possible when people ask and answer question with your own system, you will learn a lot. That is where I learned nearly all I know.
[05:40] <wastrel> how do i get this working?
[05:40] <vertana_> j0rg3: I haven't used Linux for very long, but I've learned all my knowledge here and www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:40] <screechingcat> wastrel, what ?
[05:40] <ArrenLex> noxxle: if you just want to see what the temperature is, you can just use "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature"
[05:40] <vertana_> Not all.. but a vast portion :)
[05:41] <ArrenLex> noxxle: if you want to monitor it, try gkrellm
[05:41] <wastrel> screechingcat:  printer
[05:41] <j0rg3> Ok.  I will strike that term from my vocabulary.
[05:41] <screechingcat> wastrel, repeat please  ?
[05:41] <wastrel> i have a breezy system with a printer that works, and am trying to print to it from my dapper system.
[05:42] <screechingcat> via network >
[05:42] <screechingcat> ?
[05:42] <wastrel> yes
[05:42] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: network printer. The printer is on one computer. How does he print to it from another?
[05:42] <rredd4> what driver should I use for lexmark  printer in dapper?
[05:43] <screechingcat> wastrel, sorry mate. i have no idea about network printers. just be patient and someone who DOES know will answer
[05:43] <Trae> I've made changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst   how do I propogate those to the MBR?
[05:44] <j0rg3> Time for me to sleep-sleep-sleep.  Thanks!  Talk to your l8r.
[05:44] <Healot> Trae: you want to install grub onto MBR?
[05:44] <sproingie> Trae: you don't.  grub will read it
[05:44] <Lord_Kitchener> Trae: you don't do anything since grub will see your changes automatically
[05:44] <Trae> heh
[05:44] <Trae> I used the restore line
[05:44] <Trae> from ! grub
[05:45] <Trae> the bot help
[05:45] <Trae> and got back into my system
[05:45] <Trae> but grub, on my mbr isn't reading that Ubuntu /boot/grub/menu.lst now
[05:45] <Trae> I need ot know how to re-install it
[05:45] <screechingcat> does removing openoffice break a lot of thing in dapper ?
[05:46] <sproingie> screechingcat: doesnt break anything
[05:46] <Lord_Kitchener> screechingcat: open office isn't a dependency for anything
[05:46] <screechingcat> sproingie, really ? even though it is so tightly integrated ?
[05:46] <sproingie> screechingcat: it's not really integrated with anything
[05:47] <screechingcat> coz im planning to install gnome-office and remove openoffice
[05:47] <screechingcat> good choice ?
[05:47] <sproingie> not really
[05:47] <sproingie> gnumeric's a good spreadsheet.  everything else sucks.
[05:47] <wastrel> i like gnumeric good
[05:47] <sproingie> was one of the first gnome apps too
[05:47] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: gnomeoffice isn't very good.
[05:47] <sproingie> it's aged pretty well
[05:48] <screechingcat> i dont use the office suites that much. but whenever i do its just for reading a few docs and spreadsheets and openoffice is VERY slow for that
[05:48] <EnsignRedshirt> screechingcat: In breezy, the metapackage ubuntu-desktop depends on openoffice.
[05:48] <ubuntu> heloo
[05:48] <ubuntu> hello
[05:48] <seamus7> Hi all ... anyone available to help me find a program's system tray icons (CheckGmail) ... I want to edit them to make them transparent but just can't find them. Ugh!
[05:48] <sproingie> openoffice is slow all right, but it's got the function
[05:48] <ArrenLex> Ensign: yes, but you can remove metapackages safely.
[05:48] <sproingie> if you just want a light wp, try abiword
[05:48] <AJ--> can i run the latest ubuntu release on 400mghz pc??
[05:48] <EnsignRedshirt> ArrenLex: Yup, I was just about to say that :)
[05:49] <Healot> sure; with 256MB if you want to run the desktop :)
[05:49] <ArrenLex> seamus7: they're not in /usr/share/icons?
[05:49] <sproingie> which is of course the WP for gnome-office ... heh
[05:49] <screechingcat> sproingie, i already have abiword. thats what gave me the idea to get the rest of the suite
[05:49] <ArrenLex> seamus7: try dpkg -L <packagename> to see what files the package installed.
[05:49] <seamus7> ArrenLex: let me check ... I looked in usr/share/pixmaps
[05:49] <AJ--> but i only have 128MB
[05:49] <ArrenLex> AJ: you CAN... but it won't be pretty.
[05:49] <AJ--> would it still be possible?
[05:49] <ArrenLex> AJ: I strongly suggest you run xubuntu or something even more lightweight.
[05:49] <sproingie> screechingcat: well abiword really isn't even all that great, it's more like wordpad than word
[05:50] <mister_roboto> AJ--: are you comfortable with command line only?  :)
[05:50] <AJ--> im not coz in new with linux
[05:50] <AJ--> i want to learn
[05:50] <screechingcat> sproingie, ah well ok. abiword stays then
[05:50] <mister_roboto> AJ--: 128MB is painfully low
[05:50] <bruenig> AJ--, it is possible 128 is listed as the minimum. It may not be too fast but it would be viable
[05:50] <AJ--> yeah i know
[05:50] <screechingcat> sproingie, my mistake. that was openoffice stays then
[05:51] <AJ--> gonna give a try
[05:51] <frotz661> does anyone here have a step by step guide on getting wifi with WPA working on a thinkpad T42?
[05:51] <PMantis> Anyone know how to move a NIC from eth2 to eth1?
[05:51] <sproingie> screechingcat: if you need to open office docs, you probably want to keep openoffice
[05:51] <wastrel> i like oowriter better than abiword
[05:51] <ArrenLex> AJ: again, recommend xubuntu.
[05:51] <wastrel> now that my computer can manage oowriter at a decent speed
[05:51] <AJ--> tnx i guess i should download that one
[05:51] <AJ--> tnx a lot
[05:51] <Zambezi> I need to transfer files between two Ubuntu computers. I'm using gftp and installed openssh on both computers, using SSH2 as transfer, but it's so slow. How can I make it faster then 1300 KB/s?
[05:51] <screechingcat> sproingie, i tested that. abiword opens docs pretty well
[05:52] <ArrenLex> I never understood why openoffice was so fantastically large and slow. It's slower than MS office. And yet less features. how?
[05:52] <screechingcat> sproingie, i have oo.o on windows too
[05:52] <seamus7> ArrenLex: I don't see them in usr/share/icons .... hmmm
[05:52] <ArrenLex> seamus: have you tried the dpkg -L thing?
[05:52] <bruenig> I like abiword better but I have too many .odt files and too many .doc files now to switch to it. Abiword doesn't open .doc files too well.
[05:52] <sproingie> ArrenLex: it's mostly written in java
[05:52] <mister_roboto> ArrenLex: can you save as pdf yet in ms office?
[05:52] <MaKaTiGuY> question, is it possible to use voice chat in Gaim?
[05:52] <seamus7> ArrenLex: I'm sorry to say I don't know what that is.
[05:52] <sproingie> ArrenLex: that itself isn't necessarily bad, but it's really old cruddy java
[05:52] <ArrenLex> MaKaTiGuy: answer, no.
[05:53] <frotz661> PMantis: there's an program for renaming interfaces.  looking up the name now
[05:53] <ArrenLex> seamus: what package did you install this mysterious program from?
[05:53] <bruenig> seasmus7, do locate checkgmail and look in all of those places
[05:53] <n8k99> !gaim
[05:53] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[05:53] <daver2u> is there any way to create a link on the panel to an app you want to run as sudo
[05:53] <awilcox> Is there a program like scp but it moves files instead?
[05:53] <PMantis> frotz661, I've looked in /etc/iftab, not there.
[05:53] <screechingcat> MaKaTiGuY, no not in the normal release. but there is a fork which is specially meant for VoIP and Video
[05:53] <daver2u> kinda like root terminal
[05:53] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: the fork is gaim-vv and it is dead.
[05:53] <frotz661> PMantis: hang on.  I forgot the name.  looking...
[05:54] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, dead ?
[05:54] <PMantis> frotz661, I have an eth0, and suddently eth1 is now eth2 ?
[05:54] <EnsignRedshirt> daver2u: start the program with gksudo.
[05:54] <PMantis> frotz661, NP. :)
[05:54] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: dead.
[05:54] <mister_roboto> awilcox: you mean as in deleting the original?
[05:54] <daver2u> will try
[05:54] <seamus7> ArrenLex: The program is CheckGmail ... I believe I added a repository (Asher ...) to get this program
[05:54] <awilcox> mister_roboto, right.
[05:54] <bruenig> daver2u, right click, add to panel, custom application launcher, put whatever command you want and the other information and that should be good. It is important to note that it is recommended you use gksudo not sudo for graphical apps
[05:54] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: based on a version of GAIM < 1.0. Not ever going to be merged. No longer developed. Dead.
[05:54] <frotz661> PMantis: ifrename is what you want.  You can force interfaces based on their MAC addresses to specific names
[05:54] <daver2u> sick
[05:54] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, damn it
[05:54] <ArrenLex> seamus: how did you install it? "apt-get install checkgmail"?
[05:54] <sproingie> ArrenLex: actually i think most of the staroffice code was some some unholy java to C++ conversion
[05:55] <PMantis> frotz661, Ahh, makes sense. thanks
[05:55] <mister_roboto> awilcox: you could always front end scp with a script that deletes the files afterward :)     no, don't know of such a program
[05:55] <PMantis> frotz661, Kinda weird how a reboot changed tings though...
[05:55] <frotz661> PMantis: yeah.  that's why ifrename was written.
[05:55] <daver2u> ok has anyone ever had java apps come up as a blank screen (could this be a beryl thing
[05:55] <ArrenLex> sproingie: I've used staroffice. My school's SUN thinclients have it for some bizarre reason. It wasn't better.
[05:55] <frotz661> so, any WAP users?
[05:55] <daver2u> it seems just java apps though
[05:55] <Zambezi> Transfer files between two Ubuntucomputer? Need help.
[05:55] <Lord_Kitchener> frotz661: I use a script for WPA for me
[05:55] <bruenig> staroffice is what ooffice is based on
[05:55] <fdelacruz> frot y?
[05:56] <awilcox> daver2u, yeah with my Java apps the windows are off the screen.
[05:56] <fdelacruz> im using linksy and symbol
[05:56] <awilcox> thankfully I don't use many Java apps :)
[05:56] <seamus7> ArrenLex: after I added a repository to my sources.list it showed up in my Synaptic Manager and I installed it that way.
[05:56] <daver2u> no no mine come up as a blank window
[05:56] <JDahl> Zambezi, you can use scp
[05:56] <sproingie> i had to use staroffice when i was at sun
[05:56] <ArrenLex> seamus: what package showed up in your Synaptic Manager? What was it called?
[05:56] <sproingie> if you think openoffice is bad, hoo boy
[05:56] <frotz661> Lord_Kitchener: can I see it (with passwords removed, of course) ?
[05:56] <rixth> Zambezi, use SAMBA.
[05:56] <seamus7> Arrenelx: CheckGmail
[05:56] <mister_roboto> god no, not samba if it's between two linux boxes
[05:57] <sproingie> tho it's better than applixware, i'll give it that
[05:57] <awilcox> Zambezi, def use scp.
[05:57] <Lord_Kitchener> frotz611: http://kitchetech.com/docs/unix/wlan.sh also it doesn't have any passwords in it anyways
[05:57] <ArrenLex> seamus: then, at the terminal, type the command "dpkg -L checkgmail".
[05:57] <awilcox> Unless you want to move files (*grumbles*)
[05:57] <rixth> mister_roboto, why not? It maxes my ethernet connection in terms of speed
[05:57] <JDahl> Zambezi, scp or rsync
[05:57] <seamus7> Arrenlex: http://checkgmail.sourceforge.net/
[05:57] <screechingcat> sudo apt-get update returns this error - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26547/ whats wrong ?
[05:57] <seamus7> ArrenLex: oh ok
[05:57] <PMantis> frotz661, I'm using Dapper, and I can't find ifrename, not even i the apt cache
[05:57] <ArrenLex> seamus: This will list all the files that checkgmail installed. Look for icons.
[05:57] <Zambezi> JDahl, rixth awilcox  Scp is slow. Only 1300 KB/s with gftp.
[05:57] <mister_roboto> rixth: because scp is FAR simpler and easier to use
[05:57] <wastrel> seamus7:  dpkg -c packagename  will list the contents of a package,
[05:57] <daver2u> hrmm i bit off more than i can figure out in 2 days with edgy eft
[05:57] <manuel_> pero
[05:58] <rixth> mister_roboto, hardly! What is easier than using something the user is already familiar with, nautilus?
[05:58] <wastrel> ah that too
[05:58] <Zambezi> JDahl, Is rsync grafic?
[05:58] <mister_roboto> rixth: he didn't say he was familiar with anything in particular
[05:58] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: does that happen to an ubuntu archive or a third-party archive?
[05:58] <clever_> what was that livecd optiono make it save all changes to a certain partition?
[05:58] <sproingie> just use konqueror and fish://
[05:58] <mister_roboto> rixth: if he's in kde, konqueror uses scp seamlessly
[05:59] <samuel> Does anyone know the package that is Cannon smash table tennis?
[05:59] <JDahl> Zambezi, no, but it's easy to use... best suited for incremental updates though.  Otherwise scp is good
[05:59] <rixth> Eh true, but if he uses Ubuntu he'll know Nautilus
[05:59] <screechingcat> ArrenLex, its the Penguin Liberation Front repo
[05:59] <seamus7> ArrenLex: thanks i'll check in the directories listed
[05:59] <rixth> mister_roboto, apparently it is slow though
[05:59] <frotz661> Lord_Kitchener: so, is the idea that you run this on bootup and everything automagically works?
[05:59] <mister_roboto> rixth: apparently you've never used it
[05:59] <wastrel> samuel:  apt-cache search tennis
[05:59] <Lord_Kitchener> frotz661: no it acts like a wifi scanner and you choose what net you want to get on
[05:59] <samuel> ta
[05:59] <ArrenLex> screechingcat: that's the problem. Apt uses encryption now. You need keys for that repo. I suggest you google on how to do this.
[06:00] <awilcox> Is there something like mc that I can use to scp?
[06:00] <Zambezi> JDahl, I installed openssh-client on the recieving computer. But 1300 KB/S is like 20% off possible speed.
[06:00] <mister_roboto> awilcox: konqueror
[06:00] <frotz661> I've created a wpa_supplicant.conf file that seems good enough for wpa_supplicant when I start it
[06:00] <wastrel> awilcox:  you can mount a remote filesystem with nautilus via scp
[06:00] <wastrel> "mount"
[06:00] <mister_roboto> awilcox: but you'll suck in a lot of kde if you're not already using it
[06:00] <clever_> theres also sshfs
[06:00] <ArrenLex> seamus7: dpkg -L lists all contents. Just look for icon files. You don't need to check directories.
[06:00] <samuel> woo found it, csmash...thanks
[06:00] <awilcox> mister_roboto, even though I do use KDE and I love it, I don't know how to mount scp...
[06:00] <clever_> which can mount a remote file system using scp
[06:00] <rixth> Bug: xchat doesn't honor the 'preferred applications' browser in Gnome.
[06:01] <mister_roboto> awilcox: use fish:// protocol in konq
[06:01] <Trae> http://www.shorttext.com/2j206h
[06:01] <frotz661> the network interface applet shows a connection through eth1, but I get host unreachables
[06:01] <JDahl> Zambezi, scp should give you higher throughput, I think... Are you on dialup?
[06:01] <Trae> that's my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:01] <mister_roboto> awilcox: look it up, it's cool
[06:01] <Trae> how would I install it.
[06:01] <awilcox> mister_roboto okay
[06:01] <Trae> if I do:  grub-install /dev/hda  will it read from /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[06:01] <bruenig> seamus7, /usr/share/app-install/icons/gmail-notify-icon.png
[06:01] <sproingie> nautilus has a ssh:// protocol, no?
[06:02] <awilcox> mister_roboto WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[06:02] <Zambezi> JDahl, No. Fast broadband and both computer in the same room.
[06:02] <PMantis> I added a NIC to a Dapper server, it came up as eth1. I configed it, rebooted, and it came up as eth2, unconfig'd again.
[06:02] <mister_roboto> awilcox: yeah :)
[06:02] <awilcox><EMAIL_ADDRESS>worked...I'm amazed, THANK YOU SO MUCH mister_roboto!!!!!!!
[06:02] <manuel_> microsoft
[06:02] <seamus7> bruenig: let me check there
[06:02] <screechingcat> ok anybody using the PLF repos here ?
[06:02] <ArrenLex> PMantis: nics are defined in /etc/network/interfaces. Check there?
[06:02] <bruenig> seamus7, it looks big but looks like the one that might be used
[06:03] <mister_roboto> awilcox: no problem.   :)
[06:03] <awilcox> well bye all
[06:03] <awilcox> off to go fishing :P
[06:03] <awilcox> sudo konqueror
[06:03] <awilcox> oops wrong terminal :)
[06:03] <ArrenLex> XD
[06:04] <JDahl> Zambezi, oh - you got 1.3MB/s then? I read it as 1.3KB/s
[06:04] <PMantis> ArrenLex, Yeah, it's there as eth1. only eth0 exists in /etc/iftab. eth0 comes up fine, but the next nic now skips eth1, goes to eth2
[06:04] <nicolas1> quelqu'un a remarquer que dd quitte toujours en segfault
[06:04] <awilcox> Zambezi, 10Mbps or 100Mbps?
[06:04] <awilcox> !fr
[06:04] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:05] <ArrenLex> PMantis: what would happen if you just changed eth1 to eth2 in that file?
[06:05] <ArrenLex> !fr
[06:05] <awilcox> nicolas1 said something like: Why does dd quit today with error segfault?
[06:05] <screechingcat> !plf
[06:05] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[06:05] <bruenig> kthxbai
[06:05] <awilcox> ArrenLex, I already did that :)
[06:05] <nicolas1> does anyone knows why dd always segfaults ?
[06:05] <nicolas1> :P
[06:05] <Zambezi> JDahl, awilcox  The LAN is 100 MBit. Will rsync replace openssh-server?
[06:05] <daver2u> is gnome power manager essential on a desktop?
[06:06] <ArrenLex> awilcox: I took ubotu's french as a user speaking french and helpfully directed ubotu to ubuntu-fr! =D
[06:06] <frotz661> rsync and ssh are two different beasts
[06:06] <thomas_> !bonjour
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bonjour - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:06] <thomas_> he's not french.
[06:06] <JDahl> Zambezi, isn't rsync is an intelligent frontend to ssh?
[06:06] <thomas_> JDahl no.
[06:06] <awilcox> ArrenLex thomas_ LOL
[06:07] <thomas_> JDahl: rsync is an intelligent transfer system, that can take into account a file's metadata.
[06:07] <Zeenux> Question: Can I install KDE over GNOME un Ubuntu b(not Kubuntu) and have everything still work the same way
[06:07] <jpatota> whats the file you create if you want applications to start as soon as you start X
[06:07] <awilcox> Zeenux, yes, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:07] <thomas_> Zeenux: absolutely.
[06:07] <ArrenLex> Zeenux: what "everything" is this?
[06:07] <JDahl> thomas_, how does rsync transfer files?  I thought it used ssh, but maybe that's just optional
[06:07] <Zambezi> JDahl, Jag would like to transfer the files secure, but faster than 1,3 MB/s. 5 MB/s is okay, 10 MB/s would be wounderful.
[06:07] <awilcox> I play glines in KDE every now and again :)
[06:07] <Zeenux> everything is anything that I got when I installed Ubuntu
[06:08] <PMantis> ArrenLex, It may just bring the interface up... then I have to change all services that are bound to eth1
[06:08] <thomas_> Zeenux: it will replace your login screen with KDE's login screen, but you will still be able to choose to log into gnome.
[06:08] <anilomkar> I am getting an warning message "This Program cannot start until you start the dbus session service." every time i am starting Ubuntu please help me
[06:08] <awilcox> thomas_ actually no.
[06:08] <PMantis> ArrenLex, Then who knows what it'll be on the next reboot... eth3? eth4, or back to eth1?
[06:08] <Zeenux> cool, thanks. I just prefer KDE over GNOME.
[06:08] <awilcox> Zeenux, me too :)
[06:08] <PMantis> ArrenLex, /me just confused...
[06:08] <awilcox> Zeenux, also see #Kubuntu
[06:08] <nicolas1> i just made five times the same boot image and it always segfaults, but cmp results no differences between the file and the device
[06:08] <screechingcat> !cipherfunk
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cipherfunk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <awilcox> nicolas1, the file is known to work?
[06:09] <Zeenux> oh, and i used to know this. How do I set up the su pass?
[06:09] <awilcox> !info cipherfunk
[06:09] <ubotu> Package cipherfunk does not exist in any distro I know
[06:09] <nicolas1> same thing when i made an extra swap file
[06:09] <awilcox> Zeenux, sudo passwd
[06:09] <Zeenux> thanks'
[06:09] <f4`vad3r> i resized a partion in winxp with partion magic (a ntfs part) that exists on the same drive as my ubuntu install, now ubuntu hangs on bootup
[06:09] <JDahl> Zambezi, scp has never been too slow for me,  but I don't know how close it comes to maxing out your network connection
[06:09] <f4`vad3r> i assume i need to boot off of a live cd and rerun grub to rewrite the bootloader, how do I do that?
[06:10] <frotz661> JDahl: rsync rides on top of ssh.  the upshot is to synchronize a directory on one machine with a directory on another while keeping the network traffic to a minimum
[06:10] <wastrel> !grub
[06:10] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:10] <nicolas1> awilcox: not yet, but the byte per byte comparison with cmp says its ok
[06:10] <Zambezi> JDahl, With Windows I had 7-7.5 MB/s.
[06:10] <awilcox_> grr
[06:10] <Shadow_mil> where is the limits.conf file?
[06:10] <awilcox_> stupid terminal
[06:10] <awilcox_> Zeenux
[06:10] <anilomkar> ubotu, This is Usually started automatically in X or gnome startup when you start a new sesseion
[06:10] <awilcox_> Zeenux actually it's sudo passwd root
[06:10] <seamus7> bruenig: unfortunately that's not the one ... there are actually three the program uses (new mail, no mail, and error) .... I need to find those specific ones so that I can edit them in Gimp to get a tranparent effect ... I wonder what other folder they could be in .... when I did 'dpkg -L checkgmail' the contents listed included '/usr/share/pixmaps/checkgmail.xpm' which is in fact a gmail icon but it's not one of any of the three used in the
[06:10] <Zeenux> oh
[06:10] <JDahl> frotz661, that's what I tried to tell Zambezi
[06:10] <Zeenux> crap, it asked me and I entered. any problems?
[06:10] <awilcox_> sudo passwd changes *your* password :P
[06:11] <thomas_> .Ubotu is a robot to answer questions. it is not a person.
[06:11] <Zeenux> rofl, ok, thanks
[06:11] <nicolas1> Shadow_mil: locate limits.conf
[06:11] <Zeenux> so I'll change that back.
[06:11] <awilcox_> thomas_ actually you can talk back to it
[06:11] <awilcox_> don't remember how
[06:11] <thomas_> its intelligent, but only so much so.
[06:11] <Zambezi> JDahl, Linux can't be so much slower. I transfered the files in Windows with encryption.
[06:12] <awilcox_> How long will it take for IRC to realise I sent irssi the SIGHUP signal?
[06:12] <awilcox_> to get my un-underscored nick back?
[06:12] <wastrel> awilcox if your nick is registered, use the ghost command
[06:12] <awilcox_> no
[06:12] <nicolas1> do you people think dapper is reputed to be slower than breezy on a few pcs ?
[06:13] <awilcox_> no this isn't my reged nick
[06:13] <awilcox_> I have one
[06:13] <awilcox_> just not this one :)
[06:13] <wickedpuppy>  awilcox_  , awilcox is your registered nick right ? you can kill it with ghost ...
[06:13] <nicolas1> my friend updated to dapper, and i never found why, but zsnes and video playback were buggy
[06:13] <wickedpuppy> awilcox_, /msg nickserv help ghost
[06:13] <Zambezi> JDahl, What about this packages "scponly"?
[06:13] <awilcox_> wickedpuppy, no that isn't my nick
[06:13] <wickedpuppy> awilcox_, then you can't get it back
[06:14] <awilcox_> No I mean I used it and then accidentially killed irssi
[06:14] <awilcox_> it will eventually time out
[06:14] <awilcox_> I was asking how long it would take
[06:14] <arepie> after i do "sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7 linux-restricted-modules-k7" is it usually will automatic let me use that after restart X ?
[06:14] <mnepton> arepie: you need to reboot
[06:14] <wickedpuppy> awilcox_, yes ... so ... no idea .... can take a while..
[06:15] <arepie> i see.. so i don;t have to remove my old 368 kernel ?
[06:15] <awilcox_> s/368/386
[06:15] <mnepton> arepie: and when you're satisfied that the k7 kernel works for you, you should remove the 386 kernel and modules
[06:15] <arepie> i see..
[06:15] <arepie> ok
[06:15] <JDahl> Zambezi, I don't know - you could try rcp instead of scp (apt-cache points to rsh-client),  which is less secure,  but that doesn't matter for your private LAN
[06:15] <seamus7> Hi ... anyone know where CheckGmail keeps it's system tray icons? They don't appear to be in the usual Ubuntu icon folders.
[06:16] <arepie> after install, and restart, it will use the K7 kernel isn't it ?
[06:16] <Megadeus> help! I'm using the liveCD to install ubuntu (dapper) as a dual-boot with XP, and I'm confident in everything except whether or not to create my ext3 and swap partitions as "primary" or "extended." Which is correct?
[06:16] <arepie> mnepton:  after install, and restart, it will use the K7 kernel isn't it ?
[06:16] <mnepton> arepie: it should, yes. you can hit <esc> to get the grub menu at boot to be sure.
[06:16] <MaKaTiGuY> what application in ubuntu that uses SIP?
[06:16] <arepie> i see..
[06:16] <awilcox_> mister_roboto again thank you
[06:16] <Zambezi> JDahl, I prefer high security for my LAN too.
[06:17] <awilcox_> fuse+fish = happy awilcox_ :)
[06:17] <mister_roboto> awilcox_: glad to help  :)
[06:17] <Zambezi> JDahl, If I can tripple the speed it's enough.
[06:17] <awilcox_> well bye all
[06:18] <awilcox_> off to shove all my laptop files on to my nice new 100G drive
[06:18] <MaKaTiGuY> what application in ubuntu that uses SIP?
[06:18] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, which one is that? Simple Information Protocol?  can't remember what SIP stands for off the top of my head
[06:18] <Healot> ekiga!
[06:18] <wickedpuppy> MaKaTiGuY, what is SIP ?
[06:19] <MaKaTiGuY> wicked: Session Initiation Protocol
[06:20] <awilcox_> Ahh VoIP
[06:20] <anilomkar> i am getting this warning "This Program cannot start until you start the dbus session service" every time i start Ubuntu OS
[06:20] <MaKaTiGuY> wicked: i downloaded wengophone
[06:20] <Zambezi> JDahl, Check here. It sounds good.
[06:20] <awilcox_> !voip
[06:20] <krypto84sv> msg nickserv identify danic++
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about voip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <wickedpuppy> krypto84sv, change ya password pls
[06:20] <Madpilot> krypto84sv, time to change your password...
[06:20] <wickedpuppy> sheesh
[06:20] <awilcox_> krypto84sv, not a good idea
[06:20] <anilomkar> wickedpuppy, i am getting this warning "This Program cannot start until you start the dbus session service" every time i start Ubuntu OS please help me
[06:21] <MaKaTiGuY> wicked: can u suggest an application that is capable of voice chat, like yahoo messenger
[06:21] <awilcox_> anilomkar, please ask the channel
[06:21] <awilcox_> !im
[06:21] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[06:21] <berent> unable to play vcd on vlc
[06:21] <wickedpuppy> anilomkar, no idea about that one ...
[06:21] <awilcox_> berent, try mplayer
[06:21] <anilomkar> awilcox, i asked the channel already
[06:21] <awilcox_> better video support
[06:21] <berent> it says caccess_file access error: read failed (Input/output error)
[06:22] <wickedpuppy> awilcox_, you can answer it if you know the answer ... we are not paid so i won't fight with anyone for the help.. :P
[06:22] <Madpilot> anilomkar, don't PM people at random; it's rude and it wastes time...
[06:22] <berent> awilcox: even it says seek failed
[06:22] <awilcox_> wickedpuppy, huh?
[06:22] <wickedpuppy> awilcox_, the question he posted to me ... you can answer it if you want ...
[06:23] <awilcox_> wickedpuppy, I have no clue
[06:23] <MaKaTiGuY> ubutu: how about voice chat
[06:23] <awilcox_> That's why I told him to ask the channel
[06:23] <berent> problem in reading / accessing cdrom
[06:23] <frotz661> geez.. this is annoying to get wifi to work, but I did it.  If anyone's interested, I'll post a writeup to comp.os.linux.networking
[06:23] <awilcox_> berent, all VCDs or just one?  All discs or just VCDs?  Have you tried Audio discs?  Data discs?
[06:23] <berent> yes all
[06:24] <wickedpuppy> awilcox_, look up .. he posted the question to me ... and you ask him to ask the channel ... i am saying thats basically asking the channel ... you can answer for me if you know the answer .. not necessarily i must answer .. pm is another thing of course
[06:24] <awilcox_> All VCDs, or all CDs?
[06:24] <berent> all
[06:24] <berent> cdrom disc
[06:24] <berent> i can't even copy them
[06:24] <marcrosoft> Hey guys, I'm trying to install vmware-player on a 2.6.15-27-k7 kernel; however, there are only builds for 2.6.15-23... I have followed many guides and searched and have not been able to find much information.  Anyone here able to get it to work?
[06:24] <awilcox_> wickedpuppy, I'm not sure, maybe it's #wine, but I thought that one of the rules here was ask the channel not one person
[06:25] <awilcox_> berent, has the drive ever worked?  new computer?
[06:25] <berent> cp: reading `cdrom/mpegav/avseq01.dat': Input/output error
[06:25] <marcrosoft> I have also tried compiling the modules from source and placing them in the directories without avail.
[06:25] <berent> it was working superb with breezy
[06:25] <wickedpuppy> awilcox_,  there is no such rule .. the only thing will be to pm without asking for permission .. anyone can any question ...
[06:25] <berent> now after i switched to dapper these probs
[06:25] <arepie> help me with ati driver, this is the log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26551/
[06:25] <awilcox_> dist-upgrade?
[06:25] <berent> yes
[06:25] <awilcox_> hmm
[06:26] <awilcox_> no clue
[06:26] <MaKaTiGuY> what is the command to show the ports?
[06:26] <Megadeus> hey, all. I have a small question about partitioning.
[06:26] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, what kind?  I/O ports?  TCP ports?  UDP ports?  Application ports?  Backports?
[06:26] <MrRothstein> hey berent, i had a bunch of problems like that after an update
[06:26] <Healot> MaKaTiGuY: netstat
[06:26] <JDahl> Zambezi, was getting some coffee - click where?
[06:26] <berent> what did u do mrrothstein
[06:26] <awilcox_> !tell Megadeus about ask
[06:26] <MrRothstein> all of mine had to do with permissions being changed on device files
[06:27] <berent> how did u do that
[06:27] <MrRothstein> for reading cdrom it was /dev/hdb
[06:27] <MaKaTiGuY> SIP port
[06:27] <berent> i am unable to chmod on cdrom
[06:27] <awilcox_> berent, sudo chmod
[06:27] <MrRothstein> i also had sound problems, that was fixed by adding myself to the audio group
[06:27] <MaKaTiGuY> port 5060
[06:27] <Zambezi> JDahl, On the link. It has support for SFTP too. The adress is: http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/
[06:27] <Megadeus> thanks, wilcox. Question: To install Dapper alongside XP as a dualboot, should I create my ext3 and swap partitions as "primary" or "extended?"
[06:27] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, that's a TCP/IP port.  show active ports?  or show a list of the ports and what they do?
[06:28] <berent> awilcox_ : it says read only file system
[06:28] <MaKaTiGuY> show active ports
[06:28] <awilcox_> Megadeus, personally I like primary myself.
[06:28] <Megadeus> I'm new to linux and don't understand the difference.
[06:28] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, netstat -l
[06:28] <awilcox_> Megadeus, do you know about logical drives?
[06:29] <Megadeus> yes.
[06:29] <MaKaTiGuY> tnx awilcox
[06:29] <thomas_> megadeus: it doesn't really matter as long as there are less than 4 primary partitions, and that you install windows AFTER linux.
[06:29] <awilcox_> Megadeus, in Windows it's logical drives, in Linux it's "extended"
[06:29] <dowingba> I've never had a problem installing Windows first...
[06:29] <Megadeus> ah, thank you both. That makes sense.
[06:29] <awilcox_> thomas_ why after?  Every installation I've done is after Windows was installed
[06:29] <berent> awilcox_ : it says read only file system
[06:29] <berent> mrrothstein : it says read only file system
[06:29] <awilcox_> berent, yes, well, you do the CD root folder
[06:29] <awilcox_> e.g.
[06:29] <Megadeus> I installed Red Hat after XP in a class I'm taking and haven't had any issues with it...
[06:30] <thomas_> awilcox_: if you install windows AFTER linux, it will wipe out grub or lilo or w/e the linux is using.
[06:30] <berent> what do u mean
[06:30] <Megadeus> 'course, I'm being more careful tonight, as this is MY box ^_~
[06:30] <MrRothstein> for cdrom, i had to change permissions on /dev/hdb
[06:30] <MrRothstein> not /media/cdrom
[06:30] <awilcox_> berent:     sudo chmod 777 /media/cdrom
[06:30] <MaKaTiGuY> awilcox: what is port 5060?
[06:30] <berent> chmod: changing permissions of `cdrom0': Read-only file system
[06:30] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, hold a sec
[06:30] <dowingba> I'm being more careful...by not installing windows at all this time
[06:31] <awilcox_> berent, try        sudo chmod 777 /dev/hdc
[06:31] <awilcox_> dowingba, good idea :)
[06:31] <wastrel> you can't chmod on a cdrom
[06:31] <MaKaTiGuY> tnx
[06:31] <Healot> in fact, you dont
[06:31] <dowingba> yeah, I haven't even installed an antivirus software yet lol
[06:32] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY - 5060 is SIP
[06:32] <Nem1> i need a shell programming toll.Where can i find it???
[06:32] <awilcox_> https://www.grc.com/port_5060.htm
[06:32] <wastrel> what do you mean by "shell programming toll" ?
[06:32] <awilcox_> Nem1, huh?
[06:32] <PMantis> I installed Ubuntu on a server with RAID and LVM. Upgraded the kernel, and the kernel can't find volume group "Main".
[06:32] <dowingba> my system defaulted to /media/cdrom0 if that helps...you can chmod that directory, just not the /dev itself
[06:32] <awilcox_> oh tool
[06:32] <wastrel> why do you want to chmod a mount point?
[06:32] <awilcox_> he prolly mean tool
[06:32] <PMantis> selecting 2.6.15-15, it loade the MD devices, then looks for volume groups. anything later doens't do that...so no booting.
[06:32] <awilcox_> Nem1, I use bash
[06:33] <awilcox_> Nem1, also there's Perl, csh, and korn.  Python may also work.
[06:33] <awilcox_> Nem1, what are you wanting to do?
[06:33] <Nem1> ) awilcox, ok i'll try bash
[06:33] <dowingba> PMantis, did you compile the kernel or use a .deb package?
[06:34] <peeps> is there some command to register my IRC username?
[06:34] <awilcox_> peeps yes
[06:34] <awilcox_> peeps try /msg NickServ help
[06:34] <PMantis> dowingba, All through "apt-get upgrade".. so deb
[06:34] <dowingba> hmm
[06:34] <JDahl> Nem1, if you want to learn just one tool at least consider Python
[06:34] <PMantis> dowingba, No sources.list changes, all official repos
[06:34] <rbil> anyone here with a laptop that has a Synaptics TouchPad that would be interested in testing a python script I wrote to control it?
[06:34] <dowingba> you've got me on that one
[06:34] <Nem1> OK
[06:34] <awilcox_> rbil sure
[06:35] <awilcox_> rbil I have one
[06:35] <awilcox_> rbil what does it do?
[06:35] <dowingba> PMantis all i can think is that the package corrupted somehow during the download
[06:35] <berent> mrrothstein : it says read only file system
[06:35] <rbil> I have to warn u, this is my first Python script and would appreciate feedback. Use At Your Own Risk :-)
[06:35] <MaKaTiGuY> awilcox: how  do i uninstall application in ubuntu
[06:35] <dowingba> but usually apt would tell you that
[06:35] <awilcox_> rbil, is your nick like "Ralf Brown's Interrupt List"?
[06:35] <rbil> no
[06:35] <Megadeus> The Ubuntu installer is asking if I'd like to make my largest partition (the one that has windows on it now) into /media/hda2. This just means that it wants to keep the device accessible to me, right?
[06:35] <MrRothstein> even in /dev/hd(b/c) ?
[06:35] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, sudo apt-get remove program-name
[06:35] <berent> mrrothstein : yes
[06:36] <awilcox_> rbil, I like danger :P
[06:36] <rbil> awilcox, can I post a url here to the script?
[06:36] <rbil> it's posted in my blog
[06:36] <awilcox_> yes
[06:36] <rbil> http://www.w-3productions.com/cvcs/weblog/archives/2006/10/control_touchpa.html
[06:36] <PMantis> dowingba, Yeah... kinda weird.
[06:36] <wastrel> awilcox_:  is the hung irc process still running on your box?
[06:36] <wastrel> eeew ircing with gaim
[06:37] <dowingba> PMantis just try it again... sudo apt-get kernel.so.and.so
[06:37] <dowingba> did it make a backup that you could access in GRUB?
[06:37] <awilcox_> wastrel no
[06:37] <awilcox_> wastrel, nope killed accidentially
[06:37] <berent> awilcox_ : still unable to read
[06:37] <dowingba> ubuntu.old or something
[06:37] <MaKaTiGuY> awil: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:37] <PMantis> dowingba, Server is 15-20 miles away, so I can't just reboot it and see if it comes up or hangs. heh
[06:38] <wastrel> weird :]
[06:38] <dowingba> lol
[06:38] <Megadeus> at the risk of repeating myself:   Is it okay to let the installer use my windows partition as /media/hda2 ?
[06:38] <MaKaTiGuY> awil: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:38] <awilcox_> rbil, problem
[06:38] <ThomasM> Megadeus: it is if you never want to use windows again.
[06:38] <MrRothstein> berent, can you create a temp file in the temp dir?
[06:38] <ThomasM> hehe
[06:38] <MrRothstein> in the dev directory i mean
[06:38] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, try getting out of Synaptic first :)
[06:38] <berent> yes
[06:39] <dowingba> Megadeus, just leave it and manually type in your windows partition into /etc/fstab
[06:39] <awilcox_> MaKaTiGuY, also that was *sudo* apt-get remove program-name
[06:39] <dowingba> if you installed windows first, wouldn't it be hda1 anyway?
[06:39] <berent> mrrothstein : yes
[06:39] <berent> mrrothstein : after that
[06:39] <MrRothstein> can you delete it?
[06:39] <rbil> awilcox, what is prob?
[06:40] <Megadeus> dowingba: all I know is that it says "mount point /media/hda2" and shows the same size as the windows partition
[06:40] <awilcox_> rbil, File "touch.py", line 36, import os       SyntaxError
[06:40] <MaKaTiGuY> tnx
[06:40] <Megadeus> it also says "reformat" with a checkbox, which defaults to unchecked.
[06:40] <dowingba> Megadeus, I'd still play it safe and just type it into fstab manually if I were you
[06:40] <rbil> awilcox, sorry I'm just starting to play with Python. I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 and however Python came, it has all required stuff here.
[06:40] <MrRothstein> berent, can you delete the file?
[06:41] <berent> mrrothstein : yes
[06:41] <berent> mrrothstein : :-))
[06:41] <awilcox_> Ah Megadeus, live on the wild side :)
[06:41] <MrRothstein> reinstall from scratch
[06:41] <MrRothstein> :)
[06:41] <rbil> let me see what Python stuff ha been installed here
[06:41] <MrRothstein> just kidding
[06:41] <Megadeus> pfft. I'd rather not lose windows!
[06:41] <awilcox_> Megadeus, I would :) :) :) :)
[06:42] <dowingba> I wrote a cd burning program in python once...all it did was find wav files and burn them, then open the tray...it 3 lines
[06:42] <Megadeus> baby steps!
[06:42] <Megadeus> this is my first personal linux installation, I need a safety net.
[06:42] <DraconPern> Hello, how can I reconfigure my x mouse setting in the console?
[06:42] <awilcox_> rbil nvm
[06:42] <dowingba> Megadeus, it took me 2 years to finally ditch windows...until ubuntu mutured to its current awesomeness, to be exact
[06:42] <ThomasM> Megadeus: no problem....
[06:42] <rbil> you got python2.4-tk installed?
[06:42] <awilcox_> rbil yeah
[06:42] <Megadeus> anyhow, I can select "blank (none)" as Mount Point: /media/hda2, and I think that's the safest bet.
[06:43] <awilcox_> rbil when I copied it copied some extra spaces
[06:43] <rbil> darn weblog
[06:43] <rbil> maybe that is the only problem
[06:43] <DraconPern> I am getting a "Mouse1: cannont open input device" eror. :(
[06:43] <ThomasM> took me a while to get rid of windows completely... now i have the comfort of a VMware image if i ever absolutely NEED windows.
[06:43] <awilcox_> rbil Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[06:43] <awilcox_> rbil what does that mean?
[06:43] <dowingba> that "easyubuntu" program completely made windows irrelevant for me
[06:44] <Megadeus> when i get/build a new computer, I'll make it all Ubuntu. I've been using the liveCD lately and really like it.
[06:44] <rbil> read the comments, you need to setup SHMConfig in xorg.conf
[06:44] <dowingba> and if I ever want to play games (which is unlikely) I'll just pay $5 for Cadega
[06:44] <dowingba> although, ironically EasyUbuntu was the one package I had problems with, it kept screwing up
[06:44] <MrRothstein> berent what do you get when you run "mount"?
[06:45] <ric1> Hey does anyone know where the settings are for aMSN? I set it to start iconified and now when it starts it goes to the task bar and does nothing.  It won't let me proceed with the installation without specifying a partition for /media/hda2
[06:45] <ThomasM> dowingba: look at wine first.
[06:45] <awilcox_> rbil okay restarting X
[06:45] <Megadeus> ah, nevermind
[06:45] <ThomasM> dowingba: it does alright for itself.
[06:45] <rbil> k
[06:45] <berent> mrrothstein : /dev/hdb on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[06:45] <rbil> fingers crossed :-)
[06:45] <Megadeus> I just deselected /media/hda2
[06:45] <dowingba> I've been using wine for years, just doesn't do it for me...only game I ever got working with 3d acceleration was Total Annihilation
[06:45] <DraconPern> I am running ubuntu under vmware, and the vmware tools has just broken my xconfig...
[06:46] <DraconPern> so.. now I can't get X running again
[06:46] <dowingba> I'm not, nor do I intend to be, a Wine guru
[06:46] <Megadeus> okay. This is it. Wish me luck. Preparing to click "install"......
[06:46] <DraconPern> there's no 'mouseconfig'!?
[06:46] <berent> mrrothstein : i can copy all directories in it except the dat files
[06:46] <dowingba> $5 a month is what I pay for Xbox live anyway
[06:47] <ric1> Does anyone know where the settings are stored for aMSN?
[06:47] <berent> mrrothstein : i think something is missing on the mounting part
[06:47] <ThomasM> ric1: probable ~/.amsn/
[06:47] <dowingba> ricl, just a throw in the dark, but try /home/your-name/.amsn ?
[06:47] <ric1> Thanks
[06:47] <GaryS> How would I enable the make command on Ubuntu Server, i did apt-get install gcc but that didn't cause the make command to do anything, I can't connect to the internet on that computer because I need "make" to install the ath0 wireless
[06:48] <ThomasM> GaryS: you need buildessentials
[06:48] <dowingba> apt-get install make
[06:48] <THX-1138> !build-essential
[06:48] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:49] <mnepton> GaryS: you shouldn't need to do anything for MadWiFi Atheros chipset support
[06:49] <MrRothstein> berent what are the permissions on the /dev/hdb ?
[06:49] <EchoBinary> hello! perhaps someone can help change a file type assoc in Nautilus?
[06:49] <berent> mrrothstein : 777
[06:49] <mnepton> GaryS: the MadWiFi drivers come with a stock Ubuntu install, and should provide the ath0 interface as soon as they find an Atheros chipset on the bus.
[06:50] <ThomasM> EchoBinary: shoot
[06:50] <EchoBinary> ive right clicked on the file and gone to the open with tab under properties
[06:50] <EchoBinary> i have there a list of several applications
[06:50] <MrRothstein> that fixed it for me...
[06:50] <ThomasM> echobinary: start off with what kind of file it is.
[06:50] <EchoBinary> one is selected (not the one i want)
[06:50] <EchoBinary> i try to select another application from the list but it doesnt change the selection
[06:50] <awilcox> rbil, it worked very well
[06:50] <EchoBinary> movies files
[06:50] <EchoBinary> avi, mpeg
[06:50] <awilcox> rbil, one thing though
[06:50] <EchoBinary> xvid
[06:50] <rbil> good news, you're the first to run it
[06:51] <awilcox> rbil, the "TouchPad On" light didn't go off
[06:51] <awilcox> rbil, but the touchpad itself stopped working
[06:51] <rbil> haha
[06:51] <rbil> yeh, well
[06:51] <dowingba> you get what you pay for
[06:51] <rbil> where is the copy and paste problem?
[06:51] <awilcox> rbil, that link you gave me, that I don't have anymore
[06:51] <awilcox> everywhere
[06:51] <DraconPern> Hum.. ok, I am going to have to reinstall ubuntu to get X working again.
[06:51] <EchoBinary> i even tried #sudo nautilus ..  wondering if it was a permissions thing
[06:51] <awilcox> I had to reindent everything
[06:51] <rbil> yes, but you said u had to fix the script
[06:51] <awilcox> right
[06:51] <ThomasM> draconpern: do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:52] <awilcox> I just had to indent
[06:52] <rbil> oh, ok. I'll maybe make it available for download then rather than depend on how the blog reformats things
[06:52] <DraconPern> I put in the CD, the computer boots the cd, but the old install keeps running the HD boot.
[06:52] <ThomasM> draconpern: then restart it, and if it still doesn't work, you may be in bigger trouble.
[06:52] <awilcox> rbil yes good idea :)
[06:52] <`paul> im installing bmpx and during make it looks for gst/interfaces/mixer.h etc...... if asked the bmpx guys and they say the ubuntu people could answer it help pls
[06:53] <EchoBinary> ThomasM: any thoughts?
[06:53] <rbil> I wrote it for a friend today. previously it was just a bash script but wanted to see if I could get a gui going with Python
[06:53] <rbil> but he isn't around to test it
[06:53] <ThomasM> echobinary: make sure you click the radio button.
[06:53] <awilcox> rbil heh wow
[06:53] <rbil> good utility, do you think?
[06:53] <awilcox> rbil yep
[06:53] <awilcox> rbil even though I do have a button right above the touchpad to disable it :)
[06:54] <EchoBinary> ThomasM: clicking right on it - the highlight even changes but the radio button selection does not change
[06:54] <rbil> my friend's Toshiba laptop, in some programs his cursor would bounce around if touchpad was on
[06:54] <dowingba> EchoBinary do killall nautilus  maybe it just needs to be refreshed
[06:54] <rbil> he doesn't
[06:54] <EchoBinary> hmm  alrighty ill try that
[06:54] <awilcox> rbil yes, one of my older laptops (1996 Compaq LTE 5150) doesn't either and I may install that on it :)
[06:54] <rbil> I guess a hardware button is more convenient :-)
[06:54] <ThomasM> rbil: needs some deadspace on the touchpad.
[06:54] <awilcox> rbil, of course, that's not a touchpad but rather a stick mouse :)
[06:55] <rbil> ThomasM ... what's a deadspace
[06:55] <EchoBinary> dowingba: no dice - #sudo killall nautilus
[06:55] <dowingba> the radio button still doesn't check?
[06:55] <EchoBinary> same thing
[06:55] <EchoBinary> aye, no check
[06:55] <EchoBinary> most bizzare voodoo ever
[06:55] <awilcox> rbil, it's basically how hard you have to press down before it recognizes it
[06:56] <EchoBinary> i figured itd be simple enough
[06:56] <dowingba> is the option greyed out?
[06:56] <ThomasM> maybe the the program isn't available anymore.
[06:56] <dowingba> cause that would be permissions
[06:56] <awilcox> dowingba, yeah but with "sudo" on it?
[06:56] <EchoBinary> doesnt look like permissions
[06:56] <rbil> I think his prob goes deeper, as he doesn't touch it at all and gets this prob
[06:56] <EchoBinary> chmodd 777
[06:56] <EchoBinary> the application im trying to select is vlc player and works fine
[06:56] <ThomasM> dowingba: you mean if he trys to open a program he's not authorized to?
[06:56] <awilcox> rbil another thing
[06:57] <rbil> anyway, gotta run, thanks for testing it awilcox. will make a download link available.
[06:57] <rredd4> first time install of samba smbfs.  have done nothing else yet,  got these errors.     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26558/
[06:57] <rbil> yes
[06:57] <awilcox> rbil, make it accept a parameter
[06:57] <awilcox> rbil like "touch.py on"
[06:57] <dowingba> I just thought maybe nautilus itself had screwed up permissions, but sounds like thats not the case
[06:57] <ThomasM> rbil: what is it you made?
[06:57] <peeps> what do people think is the best video plugin for mozilla?  seems like there are so many
[06:57] <awilcox> rbil: No problem :)
[06:57] <EchoBinary> dowingba: i even tried running sudo nautilus, but that didnt work either
[06:57] <dowingba> peeps, all of them
[06:57] <rbil> I'll let awilcox explain, gotta run :-)
[06:57] <rbil> cheers
[06:57] <awilcox> ThomasM, it is a Synaptic TouchPad enable/disable utility
[06:57] <ThomasM> peeps: many people find totem-xine to be the best.
[06:57] <awilcox> rbil bye!
[06:58] <ThomasM> peeps: because it handles video better than gstreamer
[06:58] <ThomasM> thats smart. should be integrated into xorg.
[06:58] <ThomasM> hehe
[06:58] <dowingba> I use a mix between mplayer and totem...when one screws up the other always works
[06:58] <awilcox> peeps, I like MediaPlayerConnectivity, and use VLC to open that
[06:58] <awilcox> so VLC
[06:59] <dowingba> but mplayer is useless without the w32 codecs, which are non-free
[06:59] <awilcox> ThomasM Yep
[06:59] <peeps> i thought you can only define one plugin at a time, how can you switch betwen multiple