[00:02] <dillon> does anyone here run DivX?
[00:02] <EriC^^> Rush2112: delete all the partitions
[00:03] <k1l> bluefive: or do you mean the LUKS in lvm full encryption?
[00:03] <bluefive> Yes.
[00:03] <bluefive> Does that use AES?
[00:03] <goddard> how much memory do you guys use?
[00:03] <goddard> I always have like 16 or 32 gigs but seems like a waste since I never go past like 5gigs
[00:04] <Thordinor> 32 giga here
[00:04] <OneM_Industries> I am currently using 13.8GB.
[00:04] <OneM_Industries> Out of 16.
[00:04] <OneM_Industries> (Hoping for 32 sometime soon)
[00:04] <k1l> there is never enough ram. if its "unused" it will be used to speed up starting programs etc
[00:05] <OneM_Industries> And with enough, you can do a RAMdisk.
[00:06] <bluefive> DOES the Ubuntu disk encyrption use AES
[00:06] <bluefive> ?
[00:06] <k1l> bluefive: yes
[00:06] <bluefive> It does?
[00:06] <bluefive> Any evidence of that?
[00:07] <bluefive> If so no wonder my 3805U was causing the fan to run so much. It is very poor at AES because it hasn't AESNI.
[00:07] <k1l> bluefive: nothing at hand now. but i bet you will find evidence in the manuals
[00:07] <bluefive> k1l: How do you know it's AES?
[00:07] <goddard> OneM_Industries: on what?
[00:07] <k1l> bluefive: if you dont believe me please look it up yourself.
[00:07] <bluefive> k1l: What do I search for?
[00:07] <Schalla> Doesnt ubuntu just use LUKS?
[00:08] <OneM_Industries> goddard: Sorry, what do you mean exactly?
[00:09] <bluefive> Schalla: You're saying it doesn't use AES?
[00:09] <OneM_Industries> goddard: If you are wondering what a RAMdisk is, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_drive
[00:10] <bluefive> How come there's no one in here who knows>
[00:10] <goddard> OneM_Industries: no i mean why are you using so much memory?
[00:10] <Anthony-L> “could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'!" [duplicate]
[00:10] <OneM_Industries> goddard: A few large programs open at once.
[00:10] <k1l> bluefive: LUKS uses aes. see the luks faq
[00:11] <bluefive> Oh.
[00:11] <bluefive> So in that case the 5005U is going to perform much better than the 3805U because it has AESNI?
[00:11] <k1l> bluefive: i bet there are aes benchmarks
[00:12] <bluefive> Yes, but they are theoretical. They don't account for real-world performance when Ubuntu encrypts portions of the disk.
[00:12] <bluefive> Would you expect AESNI to make a big difference there?
[00:12] <Rush2112> EriC^^: Ok, if I delete all the partitions, should I do that before, or after installing. I would assume before, but I want to be careful and not brick my system since I don't really know what I'm doing.
[00:12] <craptalk> ping
[00:13] <sprech> pong
[00:13] <OneM_Industries> Sproing!
[00:13] <craptalk> anyway, do you know how to see the routing path, when i access the google for example/
[00:13] <k1l> bluefive: still a better question for ##hardware
[00:15] <bluefive> k11
[00:15] <bluefive> Nope, because they don't intimately know the software.
[00:16] <k1l> bluefive: your question still is "should i buy this or that cpu".
[00:17] <Anthony-L> Could not find required OpenGl entry poing 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGl Drivers needs to be updated.
[00:17] <EriC^^> Rush2112: yes, before you install windows
[00:17] <Rush2112> EriC^^: is there any specific method of it you would recommend?
[00:18] <bluefive> k1l: No it's not.
[00:18] <EriC^^> Rush2112: do you have a live usb?
[00:18] <bluefive> I told you I ran the 3805U and it was causing the fan to run much.
[00:18] <bluefive> I wonder if that is because I had full disk encryption enabled and the 3805U doesn't have AESNI.
[00:18] <Rush2112> not sure what you mean by that but I have a USB that I'm going to put the win10 install media onto it
[00:18] <k1l> bluefive: ok again: where is your specific ubuntu issue?
[00:18] <bluefive> k1l: Ubuntu is the OS with the full disk encryption.
[00:18] <bluefive> k1l: That's what I used.
[00:18] <EriC^^> Rush2112: ok, you can do it from the windows 10 installer probably
[00:19] <k1l> bluefive: and yes, if your cpu doesnt support encryption its a whole bunch of extra load to the system.
[00:19] <Rush2112> EriC^^: cool, thank you
[00:19] <Rush2112> EriC^^: am i in danger of bricking it if i just start the installer on it?
[00:19] <bluefive> k11, So you answered the question.
[00:19] <EriC^^> Rush2112: i meant an ubuntu live usb that you could boot to delete the partitions while they're not mounted
[00:19] <EriC^^> Rush2112: no
[00:19] <Rush2112> great, thank you so much
[00:20] <EriC^^> no problem
[00:25] <Anthony-L> Could not find required OpenGl entry poing 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGl Drivers needs to be updated.
[00:26] <Anthony-L> point*
[00:27] <k1l> Anthony-L: amd video card and steam?
[00:27] <Anthony-L> nvidia and yes, steam.
[00:28] <Anthony-L> i'm using updated drivers too.
[00:28] <Anthony-L> i tried looking at those fixes online, but i couldn't find any specific.
[00:28] <k1l> steam looks in the wrong folders for opengl stuff. but i dont know how to fix that for nvidia
[00:29] <k1l> like this http://askubuntu.com/a/592692/31260
[00:29] <Anthony-L> yea, i was reading about that.
[00:33] <Anthony-L> gotta love linux and nvidia...
[00:33] <k1l> its a steam issue
[00:33] <OneM_Industries> ^
[00:33] <bluefive> Soo
[00:33] <OneM_Industries> I use nvidia and it is fine.
[00:33] <bluefive> Does an AESNI CPU run Ubuntu faster?
[00:35] <k1l> bluefive: if you use full encryption of course will it be faster if the cpu can use AES
[00:35] <craptalk> i am having a problem while changing my linux theme, it says adwt gtk theme is not installed? and i restarted then the errors disappear? why is that?
[00:35] <truexfan81> high since #freenode is moderated i'll ask you guys, what is best channel to ask a question about basic shell scripting?
[00:35] <truexfan81> hi*
[00:35] <craptalk> truexfan81: did you google it already?
[00:36] <craptalk> truexfan81: sometimes he knows better
[00:36] <truexfan81> most of this script came from google funny enough
[00:36] <k1l> !alis | truexfan81
[00:37] <k1l> truexfan81: if you have issues with #freenode read the topic and ask staffers. this is not the usage for this channel
[00:37] <craptalk> what about my question?
[00:37] <truexfan81> but when i try to run it i get an error that i don't understand
[00:37] <truexfan81>  /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory  <-- the error
[00:38] <bluefive> My CPU without AESNI does this for AES: 114,600 MB/s
[00:38] <bluefive> Is this a bottleneck when using disk encryption?
[00:40] <truexfan81> craptalk: ty was a simple fix, just had to run dos2unix on it since i created the script on my windows pc lol thanks all, you guys always manage to help me :) #ubuntu ftw
[00:47] <bluefive> How do I tell if my Ubuntu install has encryption enabled?
[00:47] <bluefive> Can I disable encryption once it's enabled or do I need to reinstall entirely?
[00:47] <reisio> bluefive: full disk?
[00:47] <reisio> you can disable it, but "reinstalling" might take less time
[00:48] <truexfan81> ^^^
[00:48] <truexfan81> removing encryption from an entire disk...depending on the size of the disk can take a very very long time
[00:49] <bluefive> reisio: Why would reinstalling take less time?
[00:50] <bluefive> reisio: If I reinstall I lose all my settings and configurations. What's wrong with disabling?
[00:50] <truexfan81> bluefive: i just answered that question
[00:50] <bluefive> Oh.
[00:50] <bluefive> What's "very very long time"?
[00:50] <bluefive> 3 hours?
[00:50] <truexfan81> or more depending on size of the disk
[00:50] <Schalla> Those questions are all so vague.
[00:50] <Schalla> Its amazing.
[00:50] <Schalla> Depends on your CPU, Harddisk, etc.
[00:51] <truexfan81> ^
[00:51] <Schalla> Is it a 6TB Harddrive? a 128GB SSD?
[00:51] <Schalla> How fast is your CPU?
[00:51] <bluefive> It's 60 GB.
[00:51] <Schalla> (Dont answer these questions)
[00:51] <bluefive> CPU is 1.9 GHz 3805U.
[00:51] <Schalla> I/We(likely) have a formula.
[00:51] <Schalla> +dont
[00:51] <truexfan81> Schalla: too late lol
[00:51] <Anthony-L> Could not find required OpenGl entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGl Drivers needs to be updated.
[00:52] <reisio> bluefive: removing encryption is the same as copying all the data at least once (possibly twice)
[00:52] <Schalla> Decrypting a HDD requires that the stuff is read, then decrypted and written again. That takes of course more time than just writing data from a source
[00:52] <reisio> bluefive: and then you add any extra work figuring things out on top of that
[00:54] <bluefive> reisio: Well, if the CPU has AES_NI, I imagine it wouldn't be too bad.
[00:54] <bluefive> Maybe 2 hours for a 60 GB disk when the CPU is at 2.0 GHz.
[00:54] <bluefive> 60 GB SSD.
[00:55] <Schalla> And maybe 5 if you run prime95 at the same time
[00:55]  * Schalla shrugs
[00:55] <bluefive> You think if my disk is encrypted that the NSA is using my Internet connection to snoop my SSD contents?
[00:55] <Schalla> You will never know.
[00:55] <bluefive> I meant un-encrypted
[00:56] <bluefive> They have that creepy logo with the all-seeing eye at the top of the pyramid.
[00:56] <Anthony-L> haha
[00:56] <bluefive> It makes me think they consider it a goal to know everything.
[00:56] <Schalla> Guess what - Thats their goal.
[00:56] <Anthony-L> you guys are getting pretty superstitious.
[00:57] <Schalla> But knowing whats on your harddrive is pretty boring.
[00:57] <truexfan81> i have a friend that a couple years ago got all his servers/computers seized by local law enforcement, he had the linux full disk encryption on all of it, the law enforcement was not able to access it lol
[00:57] <reisio> bluefive: right, you just have to compare that to a reinstall's duration
[00:57] <bluefive> Schalla: Not if they consider me intelligent and they want a world of dumb cattle. Intelligence puts a target on yourr head when the regime is communism.
[00:57] <reisio> bluefive: only with a little extra, because you'll also have to change some configs by hand
[00:59] <Schalla> SELLING: Tin Foil Hat Kit - DIY - $2,30
[01:00] <reisio> actually pretty hard to find _tin_ foil, IME
[01:00] <reisio> :p
[01:00] <bluefive> Schalla: The point is that more and more people want to encrypt their drives to retain a sense of privacy from a totalitarian global tyranny.
[01:00] <Schalla> Anyway, in the entire time you asked questions no one could answer because they are too generic, you could've read up on LUKS and understand it.
[01:00] <mengele> Hey fellas. I am having a little bit of an issue here logging into Cinnamon. I keep on getting an error that it has crashed and is now running in fallback mode. Is there a log somewhere that Cinnamon writes to so I can try and fix the issue?
[01:00] <reisio> well now that hardware can make the overhead not noticeable, _why not_
[01:00] <k1l> can we drop that chitchat in here? bluefive i think your "support" questions were all answered alreads
[01:00] <reisio> it's not like it'll protect you from many people, but _why not_
[01:01] <Schalla> mengele: Check ~/.cinnamon/*.log
[01:02] <mengele> Schalla: only log is glasslog, no errors
[01:04] <Schalla> Is this Linux Mint or Ubuntu btw?
[01:07] <Schalla> ^ mengele
[01:12] <mengele> Schalla: I am sorry, just fixed the issue.
[01:12] <Schalla> Glad to hear that, no problem. :)
[01:12] <mengele> Thank you though =)
[01:13] <MiniFridge> Hi, where can I get PHP binaries? I'm a bit new to Ubuntu Server.
[01:17] <squinty> !php | MiniFridge
[01:17] <jwitko> hey all, I have Cisco UCS blade running ubuntu 14.04.  It is getting stuck during reboot and I'm having a real hard time trouble shooting.  I have checked /var/log/kern.log and dmesg after a power cycle and see nothing suspicious.  I thought for a while it was rpcbind causing issues but after disabling all rpc and iscsi services the reboot still hangs.  Does anyone have any trouble shooting
[01:17] <jwitko> advice ?  Here is a screen shot of the console during the error:  http://i.imgur.com/rvqWTsX.jpg
[01:17] <MiniFridge> thank you squinty!
[01:18] <squinty> MiniFridge,  could also do    apt search php | less for any addition php related files in the repo's
[01:18] <MiniFridge> okay, thank you
[01:18] <squinty> yw
[01:19] <MiniFridge> So, what if I need PHP7? I didn't find it in the online repository search.
[01:19] <MiniFridge> I have to go to PHP's website and download it?
[01:20] <bluefive> How do I tell if I have Ubuntu's disk encryption enabled?
[01:20] <bluefive> Can i type something into the command line to see?
[01:22] <KINgGh0sT> I need help with PulseAudio not detecting anything but my HDMI and SPDIF cards but not my analog. My analog card shows up in lspci and in /proc/asound/cards
[01:22] <squinty> MiniFridge,  hmmm php7 related files are in 16.04's repo's.   try  apt search php7 | less  in terminal
[01:23] <MiniFridge> It didn't return anything on my 14.4.04 server
[01:24] <bluefive> http://www.howtogeek.com/116179/how-to-disable-home-folder-encryption-after-installing-ubuntu/
[01:24] <bluefive> According to this, the home folderr is un-encrypted when you are logged in.
[01:24] <bluefive> It's encrypted only when logged out?
[01:24] <bluefive> So there should be no performance penality. Am I correct?
[01:25] <bluefive> The article says there IS a performance penalty to home folder encryption.
[01:25] <daftykins> 14.04.4 is the number ;)
[01:25] <MiniFridge> ah, thank you daftykins :P
[01:25] <MiniFridge> You know. It's with a program. I'm going to try to go see if I can get help with the program specifically. I found another channel on this network for it.
[01:25] <MiniFridge> Thanks anyways.
[01:25] <MiniFridge> :)
[01:26] <jwitko> bluefive, yes if the home directory remained encrypted you would not be able to use it.
[01:26] <jwitko> bluefive, the performance penalty is paid when decrypting and encrypting
[01:26] <daftykins> wise decision
[01:26] <bluefive> jwitko: Doesn't that happen all at once when you log in and log out?
[01:26] <bluefive> It decrypts the whole thing on login and encrypts on logout?
[01:26] <bluefive> And then it's un-encrypted the whole time you're logged in?
[01:27] <k1l> bluefive: do you use luks vill disk encryption or only encryptfs home folder encryption=
[01:27] <k1l> ?
[01:27] <bluefive> k1l: The encryption that is used when you install Ubuntu and it allows you to encrypt the home folder.
[01:27] <bluefive> There's only one option.
[01:29] <k1l> bluefive: no, that is not "just de- and encrypting" on login and logout.
[01:30] <bluefive> It's more heavy duty than that?
[01:30] <bluefive> Interesting.
[01:30] <k1l> bluefive: it "simulates" an uncrypted home with a tmpfs and still needs to put all the encrytpion through the cpu and disk all the time
[01:30] <jwitko> bluefive, Ubuntu uses "eCryptfs" which stores all the data in a directory (this case the home folders) as encrypted data. When a user is logged in that encrypted folder is mounted with second decryption mount (this is a temporary mount that works similar to tmpfs - it's created and run in RAM so the files are never stored in a decrypted state on the HD). The idea is - if your hard drive is
[01:30] <jwitko> stolen and the contents read those items aren't able to be read since Linux needs to be running with your authentication to create the successful mount and decryption
[01:31] <k1l> bluefive: we could answer your questions all day long. but at the end, your slow cpu is still the bootleneck of encryption at all.
[01:31] <bluefive> So, what kind of PERFORMANCE hit is there if the processor does't have AES_NI?
[01:31] <bluefive> Is it noticeable?
[01:31] <k1l> yes it is
[01:31] <jwitko> so the performance hit is during the constant read/writes going to the disk.
[01:31] <bluefive> What if the processor does have AES_NI? Then it's trivial?
[01:31] <jwitko> yes its noticable on older CPUs
[01:32] <k1l> if you want encryption dont buy cpus without aes support.
[01:32] <bluefive> Look what he says:
 bluefive, just /home shouldnt put much load on the processor, unless you run large wine games installed in ~/.wine (or somewhere else in home), i wouldnt think
[01:32] <jwitko> the only way to truly test the performance hit on your specific setup is to do read/write testing to the encrypted directory and to a non encrypted directory on the same device with the same filesystem type
[01:32] <reisio> merely encrypting /home/ is really just as good 99.99% of the time
[01:32] <RoadRunner> how to save changes to fstab after editing?
[01:33] <reisio> merely encrypting only specific things in /home/ is really just as good 99.98% of the time
[01:33] <reisio> RoadRunner: what editor?
[01:33] <bluefive> Folks, was I booted?
[01:33] <bluefive> I lost my window 100%.
[01:33] <reisio> bluefive: yup
[01:33] <k1l> bluefive: i kicked you
[01:33] <RoadRunner> reisio: Mousepad
[01:33] <k1l> bluefive: last warning for crosspostings.
[01:33] <reisio> RoadRunner: probably CTRL+s
[01:34] <jwitko>  hey all, I have Cisco UCS blade running ubuntu 14.04.  It is getting stuck during reboot and I'm having a real hard time trouble shooting.  I have checked /var/log/kern.log and dmesg after a power cycle and see nothing suspicious.  I thought for a while it was rpcbind causing issues but after disabling all rpc and iscsi services the reboot still hangs.  Does anyone have any trouble shooting
[01:34] <jwitko> advice ?  Here is a screen shot of the console during the error:  http://i.imgur.com/rvqWTsX.jpg
[01:34] <RoadRunner> reisio: yes but am getting "permission denied"
[01:35] <jwitko> I've also attempted changing the grub.conf "reboot=" flag to acpi, acpi with force enabled, pci, and bios.  None assisted in finishing a reboot
[01:37] <k1l> bluefive: if you dont believe us. there are tons of benchmarks and experience writings on the internet about ecryptfs and cpu load and disk performance
[01:37] <reisio> RoadRunner: you would've wanted to have opened mousepad as root
[01:37] <reisio> RoadRunner: gksudo mousepad
[01:38] <RoadRunner> reisio: could you explain the gksudo command?
[01:38] <reisio> RoadRunner: it's worth learning a terminal editor for system maintenance (and also, just because they're better :D)
[01:38] <reisio> RoadRunner: gksudo is a G(T)K(+) (GUI) frontend to sudo
[01:39] <reisio> sudo is meant to allow specific commands to be run via 'su', originally
[01:39] <reisio> though Ubuntu generally uses it to run anything at all as root
[01:39] <reisio> so whereas 'sudo foo' would run 'foo' as root, 'gksudo foo' would run a graphical application 'foo' as root
[01:40] <reisio> tldr: that's how it's done by default
[01:40] <RoadRunner> ok, just never started mousepad from terminal
[01:41] <reisio> RoadRunner: you don't have to start it from terminal, you can run 'gksudo mousepad' from the ordinary launcher
[01:41] <reisio> it's easier to do it from a terminal, however
[01:41] <reisio> ...but, you have every right to use only GUI tools /if you want/ :D
[01:44] <RoadRunner> reisio: tried from terminal and got: The program 'gksudo' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[01:44] <RoadRunner> sudo apt-get install gksu
[01:45] <soupnanodesukar> What is up with the latest plasma-desktop update freezing everything?
[01:45] <RoadRunner> reisio: did I miss something?
[01:45] <reisio> RoadRunner: that depends on whether or not you typed all that without reading it :D
[01:47] <RoadRunner> reisio: I know my question sounds infantile but I am just asking if gksu is the same as gksudo?
[01:48] <reisio> RoadRunner: it's probably that the 'gksudo' executable is provided by the 'gksu' package
[01:48] <reisio> I doubt the package manager would be wrong in this regard
[01:48] <reisio> to confirm, you could ask apt-file about gksudo
[01:48] <reisio> and it'd probably spit out 'gksu' as the package that has it
[01:48] <Anthony-L> steam keeps looking in the wrong folder for drivers.
[01:49] <Anthony-L> http://askubuntu.com/questions/313173/why-are-my-32bit-opengl-libraries-pointing-to-mesa-instead-of-nvidia-and-how-do
[01:50] <reisio> that happens with closed source apps more often
[01:50] <daftykins> #ubuntu-steam
[01:50] <reisio> the cheap way to fix it is with symlinks
[01:51] <maddawg3> uh oh.... i regret that sushi now
[01:51] <maddawg3> oh noes
[01:52] <soupnanodesukar> Anthony-L: mesa drivers are alright, i once played through almost the entirity of Portal without realizing I had forgotten to install the closed-source drivers. Consider switching to mesa if you're scared of editing system files.
[01:52] <RoadRunner> reisio: thanks :)
[01:52] <daftykins> maddawg3: unless that sushi is running ubuntu, -offtopic with you ;)
[01:52] <maddawg3> sorryt
[01:52] <maddawg3> i thought that was where i was
[01:52] <maddawg3> lol
[01:52] <Anthony-L> soup, are mesa drivers the nouveau drivers?
[01:52] <maddawg3> lol
[01:52] <maddawg3> the -offtopic is cut off in my client lol
[01:52] <soupnanodesukar> Anthony-L: yes, and this was with an nvidia card.
[01:53] <daftykins> maddawg3: shut up then please
[01:53] <Anthony-L> ok, i guess i'll switch back.
[01:53] <KINgGh0sT> My PulseAudio only shows HDMI/SpDif and I can't get Analog Stereo
[01:53] <Anthony-L> thanks soup
[01:53] <soupnanodesukar> np
[01:53] <ChatUser14> how do I make the text larger? I'm on XChat
[01:53] <daftykins> get hexchat
[01:54] <squinty> settings -> preferences
[01:56] <ChatUser14> https://thomfiles.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/turn-me-on-dammit-2011.jpg
[01:56] <ChatUser14> nice
[01:57] <Anthony-L> soup, i just switched to the nouveau drivers. i clicked on Team Fortress 2 on steam and nothing comes up at all.
[01:58] <Anthony-L> soup, do i need to reboot to change over drivers?
[01:59] <Anthony-L> i guess i'll just reboot and see
[01:59] <Anthony-L> brb
[02:30] <bluefive> How DO I tell if I have encryption enabled for my home folder?
[02:30] <bluefive> I can't remember if I encrypted it or not when I installed the Ubuntu.
[02:31] <Blue1> if you can;t read it, it's either not mounted or encrypted -- choose one.
[02:31] <Loshki> bluefive: you have better remember the passphrase if it's encrypted
[02:31] <Loshki> s/have/had/
[02:32] <bluefive> Loshki: I use a login password
[02:32] <bluefive> but that does't tell me if I have encryption enabled.
[02:35] <squinty> bluefive,  ~/Private   see if that directory exists    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[02:53] <auvajs> hi, when I run my backup script, it runs as expected, but when I run the same script from crontab, it always can't run because of some script errors, what's the problem?
[02:56] <bluefive> When I run Firefox on my Ubuntu when I have HOME DIRECTORY encryption enabled
[02:56] <reisio> auvajs: probably the wrong user, or you haven't called it properly, or you're using relative assumptions
[02:56] <bluefive> and I am surfing all around, is my home directory being accessed often?
[02:56] <reisio> auvajs: pastebin the script and your crontab entry?
[02:56] <bluefive> I wonder if the encryption is causing significantly more load.
[02:56] <reisio> bluefive: yes
[02:56] <bluefive> Really?
[02:56] <reisio> bluefive: if you've got aes-ni, probably not _significant_
[02:56] <reisio> but yes
[02:56] <reisio> ~/.mozilla is used by Firefox constantly
[02:56] <bluefive> I don't have AES-NI. That's the thing.
[02:56] <reisio> bluefive: if you haven't noticed yet, then you haven't noticed yet
[02:57] <bluefive> That explains why the fan was running at high RPM when I was just using Firefox?
[02:57] <reisio> put another way: if you haven't experienced a problem... maybe you just don't have one
[02:57] <bluefive> Because I had home dir encryption enabled and my processor had no AES_NI?
[02:57] <reisio> bluefive: umm...
[02:57] <reisio> bluefive: I'm sure it is measurably slower, as measured scientifically
[02:58] <reisio> bluefive: that doesn't mean, however, it is perceptually slower, as perceived by a human being
[02:58] <bluefive> reisio: You don't think that would cause the CPU to run hotter and cause the fan to run at higher RPM?
[02:58] <auvajs> reisio: http://pastebin.com/ZB03SXPa my script
[02:59] <bluefive> reisio: Remember, CPU in question has no AES-NI. Are you saying that the amount of data involved here isn't of a magnitude where AES-NI would matter?
[02:59] <auvajs> reisio: where is crontab file ? can't find it
[03:00] <reisio> auvajs: crontab -l or sudo crontab -l
[03:00] <auvajs> reisio: 57 3 * * * . $HOME/.profile; /var/www/mediawiki_database_backup/backup
[03:00] <reisio> bluefive: again, I'm sure it _will cause_ it to run hotTER
[03:01] <reisio> bluefive: but as to exactly how much /more/, I could only speculate, which I will not do :p
[03:01] <bluefive> Ah.
[03:01] <bluefive> I wonder if it's significant.
[03:01] <reisio> bluefive: most likely Firefox would cause a great deal more load on your system regardless of encryption
[03:01] <reisio> web browsers are beasts
[03:01] <bluefive> reisio: Really?
[03:01] <reisio> they're poorly made, and load huge things
[03:01] <reisio> yes, really
[03:01] <bluefive> reisio: So that itself could explain why the fan was going to such high RPM when I was just using Firefox?
[03:02] <bluefive> Encryption in that scheme is only a mild contributor?
[03:02] <reisio> auvajs: it's best not to complicate your crontab entries, if you need to source ~/.profile, do so from within your script, and call the script alone
[03:02] <reisio> auvajs: moreover, you need to make sure the script is running as the user you think it's running as, or $HOME won't even work
[03:02] <reisio> bluefive: mmm, again, only conjecture, but my guess is Firefox alone is more resource intensive than encryption alone
[03:02] <auvajs> reisio: I have no problem running it as root
[03:03] <auvajs> reisio: how can I run it as root?
[03:03] <bluefive> reisio: Well then, why don't they get Firefox to run more cleanly?
[03:03] <bluefive> reisio: Do you suppose a CPU with hyperthreading can better handle Firefox?
[03:04] <reisio> auvajs: sure you want to run it as root?
[03:05] <auvajs> reisio: I don't care if it works
[03:05] <reisio> bluefive: ummmm, theoretically it could, but hyperthreading also has some drawbacks, it being "fake", after all
[03:05] <reisio> bluefive: there's not really a cure, besides making better software
[03:05] <reisio> bluefive: better hardware breeds sloppier coders, IME
[03:05] <reisio> auvajs: ...huh?
[03:05] <bluefive> reisio: Drawbacks such as?
[03:06] <auvajs> reisio: it's on my vps and all I do there is performed as a root.. also the crontab entry was added as a root.. but somehow it doesn't work
[03:06] <reisio> bluefive: well they're pretend extra cores, they're not real
[03:06] <auvajs> bluefive: the script runs from shell but not from cron
[03:06] <bluefive> reisio: Yes, but how does that translate into real-world drawbacks vs a CPU without HTT?
[03:06] <benitoll> hi there, is there a daily without desktop that can live boot? ubuntu-server rescue mode doesn't work for what I need and the lightest the better for my purpose (remote ISO boot with IPMI)
[03:06] <auvajs> I mean reisio
[03:07] <reisio> auvajs: try just '57 3 * * * /var/www/mediawiki_database_backup_backup'
[03:07] <reisio> auvajs: if you need to source ~/.profile, do it from within the script
[03:07] <reisio> benitoll: and once you've booted, what will you be doing?
[03:08] <bluefive> I imagine HTT is quite a nice boost when running a browser like Firefox.
[03:08] <benitoll> basically chrooting to a root-on-ZFS to repair a "haunted" GRUB
[03:08] <benitoll> xD
[03:08] <bluefive> Firefox browsing has so many things happening at once.
[03:08] <bluefive> Surely HTT makes things snappier.
[03:08] <reisio> bluefive: I'm sure it's /meant to/
[03:09] <bluefive> reisio: You don't believe it?
[03:09] <reisio> I don't need to believe it, it's irrelevant to me
[03:09] <auvajs> reisio: http://pastebin.com/7LcXEL1E this is the output of the cron job
[03:09] <bluefive> Irrelevant why??
[03:10] <auvajs> reisio: but when I run the script from shell it runs without a problem
[03:10] <auvajs> reisio: I removed sourcing the profile from crontab
[03:10] <reisio> because I don't operate under the idea that hardware pretending to be more than it is will help Firefox not be poorly programmed
[03:10] <reisio> auvajs: you got a hashbang?
[03:10] <reisio> auvajs: ah, you don't
[03:11] <reisio> auvajs: it's probably using dash and not bash
[03:11] <reisio> auvajs: try making the first line: #!/bin/bash
[03:13] <auvajs> reisio: yees, finally it works now
[03:13] <auvajs> reisio: tnx a lot :)
[03:14] <reisio> auvajs: gj :)
[03:17] <benitoll> reisio: any idea on what ISO could I use for that or you were just curious?
[03:17] <benitoll> latest daily kubuntu-desktop have been a charm but it's like 15 minutes each boot
[03:18] <reisio> benitoll: yeah... I'd probably use a sysresccd copy
[03:18] <reisio> min
[03:18] <bluefive> "because I don't operate under the idea that hardware pretending to be more than it is will help Firefox not be poorly programmed"
[03:18] <bluefive> What makes you think Firefox is poorly programmed?
[03:18] <benitoll> yeah I'd too but the server has a 10g card and sysresccd doesn't have the drivers
[03:18] <bluefive> And do you not agree that HTT should perform better than NO HTT in terms of Firefox browsing?
[03:18] <BAHIA100> hola
[03:19] <bluefive> IMO the talent pool that has worked on Firefox for the past 12 years has been quite phenomenal.
[03:19] <reisio> benitoll: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/funtoo/distfiles/sysresccd/sysresccd-4.7.0_zfs_<IP_ADDRESS>.iso
[03:19] <reisio> bluefive: well, I've seen its source, among other things
[03:20] <benitoll> yes I know I've used that for my other server were the same happened but this one has a 10g nic and it doesn't include the drivers, tried to install them by creating an iso but they can't be compiled because something about the kernel modules that's beyond my knowledge
[03:20] <bluefive> reisio: Its source is messy?
[03:20] <bluefive> It's not prime coding?
[03:21] <xangua> No software is perfect
[03:21] <reisio> bluefive: it really, really is not prime coding
[03:21] <reisio> xangua: 'cept for tex :p
[03:21] <xangua> But if you want to discuss Firefox code, maybe try another channel? bluefive
[03:21] <xangua> ! Ot
[03:22] <bluefive> Well then - have you seen the Ubuntu source and is IT prime coding?
[03:22] <xangua> "The Ubuntu source"?
[03:24] <bluefive> xangua: Yes.
[03:24] <bluefive> xangua: Have you seen the source code for Ubuntu?
[03:25] <xangua> bluefive: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[03:25] <mengele> Schmiel: Im baack =P
[03:25] <mengele>  Anybody good with gtkpod? I cant seem to figure out how to get it to see my ipod. The other strange thing is when I plug in my ipod it wont get automounted but yet when I plug in any other device, it gets mounted.
[03:25] <xangua> mengele: by iPod you mean iOS device?
[03:26] <mengele> xangua: By iPod I mean my iPod classic - yes and iPod device.
[03:26] <mengele> Dmesg sees it, it gets put to /dev/sdf
[03:27] <mengele> It seems nothing else can see it though =/
[03:29] <Mneuro> Does anyone know how to fix a slight overscan on Ubuntu 15.10 with an nvidia gpu
[03:29] <Mneuro> i get an overscan of just a couple pixels
[03:30] <mengele> Sweet, netsplit
[03:33] <wafflejock> Mneuro: think nvidia-settings has options for configuring overscan adjustments
[03:34] <Mneuro> wafflejock, it's strange that this only happens on linux and not on windows
[03:34] <wafflejock> don't know if that applies to all nvidia drivers though or just proprietary or just open source I forget which ones I last installed
[03:34] <wafflejock> Mneuro: eh totally different systems and drivers and all so not too weird ;)
[03:54] <benjidass> hi community, i am having a little issue (within a much bigger issue that I will spare you).  I am trying to blacklist drivers that I believe are getting in the way of other hardware working. So i am adding to the bottom of  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf  lines such as "blacklist xhci_hcd".  However after restarting the computer I run "lspci -vv" and I still see the driver in use.  What am I doing wrong?
[03:55] <Crispy_Ogre> hi
[03:55] <benjidass> Crispy_Ogre: hi
[03:55] <Crispy_Ogre> its my first time on irc
[03:56] <Crispy_Ogre> what cliet should i use?
[03:56] <benjidass> Crispy_Ogre: Saturday or Sunday was my first time.  Any idea how to blacklist drivers?
[03:56] <benjidass> Crispy_Ogre: I am using xchat bc it came with my install.  it seems to work well, and its easy to figure out.
[03:57] <Crispy_Ogre> well my friend told me to use weechat so i dont need a gui
[03:57] <Blue1> try irssi
[03:57] <Crispy_Ogre> Blue1: i did but did not like the layout
[03:58] <Crispy_Ogre> any one else using openbox?
[03:59] <Blue1> Crispy:  That was the first client I used, back in the early 90's when it was called ircii i think
[04:00] <benjidass> so no one here knows why blacklisted drivers are still being used by my system?
[04:00] <Crispy_Ogre> so uh what usually goes on around here?
[04:03] <r2me2> benjidass:what output do you get with lsmod
[04:04] <R13ose>  How come xfce4 desktop notifications don't do anything when I click show?
[04:04] <Crispy_Ogre> testing
[04:04] <bluefive> Hey guys
[04:04] <Blue1> sorry running kubuntu here.
[04:05] <Crispy_Ogre> im playing around with formating can someone pls talk twice
[04:06] <squinty> crispy_ogres taste great!
[04:06] <squinty> crispy_ogres taste great!
[04:06] <Crispy_Ogre> squinty: shit there was a break in between do u mind doing that again?
[04:10] <squinty> Crispy_Ogre,  family channel   naughty words are discouraged
[04:10] <squinty> Crispy_Ogre,  family channel   naughty words are discouraged
[04:10] <Crispy_Ogre> squinty: k thx so much
[04:10] <Guest1923> great
[04:12] <Crispy_Ogre> back
[04:21] <benjidass> r2me2: i see some but at least not all of the drivers I have blacklisted
[04:23] <benjidass> r2me2: would it be more helpful if I pastebin the output for you?
[04:33] <Anthony-L> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[04:33] <Anthony-L> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[04:33] <Anthony-L> having trouble with drivers, i think. i can't seem to load up the steam app.
[04:35] <boris2015> hi anyone knows a fast lightweight browser for raspberry pi?
[04:35] <Anthony-L> boris, strawberry shortcake...
[04:36] <Anthony-L> haha. it's a joke.
[04:36] <Anthony-L> tough crowd...
[04:37] <boris2015> lol
[04:38] <Anthony-L> :)
[04:38] <dengxinjun> I have a ques....
[04:38] <dengxinjun> Who can help me
[04:38] <Anthony-L> i've been told, you're suppose to ask your question right away.
[04:42] <boris2015> dengxinjun: what is that question?
[04:42] <dengxinjun> My wine couldn't find QQ Starting item After I had installed QQ
[04:43] <somsip> !appdb | dengxinjun (but maybe a qq linux client would be better)
[04:44] <somsip> dengxinjun: also, http://askubuntu.com/questions/540875/how-to-install-qq-on-ubuntu-14-04
[04:45] <somsip> dengxinjun: finally, http://wiki.ubuntu.org.cn/QQ
[04:45] <dengxinjun> oh
[04:48] <Anthony-L> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[04:48] <Anthony-L> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[04:48] <Anthony-L> need help with this error, trying to open the steam app
[04:49] <somsip> Anthony-L: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/617358/problem-starting-steam-on-ubuntu-15-04-64-bit and https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3820
[04:56] <SkepticalParrot> Anybody know of software that allows me to keep track of appointments and stuff like that?
[04:57] <Anthony-L> yea, go to office depot and buy a planner.
[04:57] <Anthony-L> :P
[04:58] <Anthony-L> i'm on a roll tonight.
[04:59] <Spider> you're running a PC off of steam?
[05:00] <Anthony-L> ?
[05:00] <Anthony-L> yea
[05:00] <Spider> no wonder it won't work thats like 1600;s technology
[05:00] <Anthony-L> haha
[05:00] <Anthony-L> running steam off a pc.
[05:01] <Spider> now i am confused
[05:01] <Spider> that thing must be hot
[05:01] <Anthony-L> HAAH
[05:01] <Anthony-L> i like that one.
[05:01] <Anthony-L> be careful spider, it's a tough crowd in here.
[05:02] <Spider> i know i feel the love all over my body
[05:02] <Spider> so whats the problem with that steaming pile?
[05:02] <Spider> seriously maybe i can help
[05:03] <Anthony-L> i fixed it.
[05:03] <Spider> oh nice
[05:03] <Spider> well congratulations
[05:03] <Anthony-L> yea, i haven't loaded a game yet, so i have my fingers crossed.
[05:04] <Crispy_Ogre> hey
[05:04] <Spider> howdy
[05:04] <Crispy_Ogre> Spider: bored
[05:04] <Spider> yes me too
[05:05] <Spider> all i have to say is ubuntu mate on the pi is pretty nice
[05:05] <Crispy_Ogre> Spider: What De/Wm do you use
[05:05] <Spider> all of them
[05:05] <Crispy_Ogre> what do u use mainly
[05:05] <Spider> seriously i have used about every one except maybe LMDE
[05:05] <Crispy_Ogre> k
[05:06] <Crispy_Ogre> ive only used xfce gnome and right now im using openbox
[05:06] <somsip> Crispy_Ogre: what's your real support question?
[05:06] <Spider> i use cinnamon, mate, lxde, xfce
[05:06] <Spider> gnome cant forget that one
[05:07] <Spider> i have yet to settle down and cuddle with one exclusively
[05:07] <Crispy_Ogre> somsip: im just testing this new irc client
[05:07] <Crispy_Ogre> trying to see if i like it
[05:07] <somsip> Crispy_Ogre: ok - but can you take the non-suport chat to #ubuntu-offtopic or PM please. Here is not the place
[05:07] <Crispy_Ogre> k
[05:07] <Crispy_Ogre> bye
[05:07] <somsip> Crispy_Ogre: thanks
[05:11] <zeioth> I'm having an error running the command "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[05:11] <zeioth> i recieve "http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/i18n/Translation-en Has sum mismatch"
[05:12] <somsip> zeioth: http://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error
[05:15] <ngaio> somsip, that's a fine set of info :-)
[05:15] <zeioth> somsip, works like a charm, thank you so much
[05:16] <somsip> zeioth: np
[05:25] <JasmineT> Can anyone help me?
[05:26] <somsip> JasmineT: just ask your question
[05:26] <JasmineT> But it's related to Windows
[05:26] <somsip> JasmineT: ask in ##windows then
[05:27] <JasmineT> They're not helping
[05:27] <somsip> JasmineT: nore will we :)
[05:27] <JasmineT> lol
[05:27] <somsip> JasmineT: this is an ubuntu support channel. You really need to ask where your question belongs
[05:28] <JasmineT> I installed  .net 1 in my pc and the icon size has changed
[05:28] <somsip> JasmineT: this is still about Windows isn't it...?
[05:29] <JasmineT> If you know how tell me please
[05:29] <somsip> JasmineT: I'm going to ignore you now, so I won't see what you type.
[05:29] <JasmineT> Who cares about you lol
[05:32] <dax> ... so they went to #ubuntu-mate
[05:32] <dax> some people confuse me a lot.
[05:37] <teskklke> I'm on ubuntu 14.04 trying to install thinkorswim (a java program) and am getting the error Unrecognized VM option 'MetaspaceSize=128m' Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
[05:38] <teskklke> It doesn't feel like a detailed error, but maybe that's enough to know what's going on
[05:38] <somsip> teskklke: someone might have an idea, but it's not supported so you might be better off with https://www.thinkorswim.com/t/contact.html
[05:39] <Anthony-L> wow, i just loaded up team fortress 2 and was getting 2 frames per second using the nouveau drivers.
[05:39] <Anthony-L> what is the problem here...
[05:40] <somsip> teskklke: but common advice seems to be to make sure you have the right version of JDK installed, or to remove the line XX:MaxPermSize=256m from the vmoptions http://askubuntu.com/questions/624199/problem-with-java-while-trying-to-run-pycharm-community-4-5
[05:40] <sebastian> hello
[05:40] <sebastian> world
[05:41] <sebastian> hello niggers
[05:42] <Anthony-L> hi
[05:43] <Anthony-L> i'm using the nouveau drivers and it's not turning out so great.
[05:43] <Anthony-L> i'm on ubuntu and using an nvidia gtx 970. i tried playing team fortress 2 and was getting like 2 frames per second.
[05:43] <baizon> Anthony-L: no its not with linux and nvidia, use the proprietary drivers
[05:44] <bbq> this is a secure chat program?
[05:44] <baizon> Anthony-L: only intel and amd got good open source drivers, nvidia doesnt support open source drivers, so you have to use the closed source
[05:44] <somsip> !cloak | bbq (not by default)
[05:44] <baizon> bbq: yes?
[05:44] <styles> hey guys, I was upgrading my sytem from 14.01 to 15.10 last night and everything was going smoothly.. until Configuring x11-xkb-utils (amd64) - it just froze there. It's not upgrading. I left it on while at work with the hopes that it would finish.. nothing
[05:44] <Anthony-L> baizon, i'll try proprietary, but i was having bugs with those too. my steam would randomly close just being in the UI.
[05:45] <baizon> Anthony-L: try the PPA, it has the latest nvidia drivers
[05:45] <Anthony-L> ppa?
[05:46] <bbq> just checking
[05:46] <baizon> Anthony-L: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[05:46] <ChronicChops> exit
[05:47] <bbq> would this be a good place to meet someone to be an anonymous whistleblower?
[05:47] <Anthony-L> it says, i should be experienced with the packaging. i'm not...
[05:48] <somsip> !alis | bbq (search)
[05:53] <Anthony-L> Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated.
[05:53] <Anthony-L> keep getting this error, using proprietary drivers and trying to play a game.
[05:54] <somsip> Anthony-L: I know you're new to ubuntu, but do you try to do any sort of research for yourself? It is going to help you in the long run.
[05:54] <bbq> lol
[05:54] <bbq> that's what he is doing
[05:55] <Anthony-L> somsip, i do. i try the answer on askubuntu. they are all outdated and indecisive.
[05:55] <Anthony-L> answers*
[05:55] <bbq> what kind of card is it?
[05:55] <Anthony-L> nvidia gtx 970
[05:55] <bbq> hmmm
[05:55] <somsip> Anthony-L: fair enough. it's just coming across that you do something and just post the error on here. I'm happy to apologise if I came across as terse
[05:55] <Anthony-L> i think the major problems i'm having is my machine is just too new for ubuntu.
[05:55] <Anthony-L> i should just bite the bullet and go back to windows.
[05:55] <bbq> go to the nvidia website and look for drivers maybe?
[05:56] <bbq> how new is your computer anthony?
[05:56] <Anthony-L> bbq, i'm using the proprietary drivers. isn't that the same thing?
[05:56] <dax> installing drivers from nvidia's website isn't supported here.
[05:56] <bbq> i had the same problem around 5 years ago when I got a brand newmsi gaming computer
[05:56] <baizon> Anthony-L: i gave you the "best solution". the open source drivers are bad especially when it comes to new hardware
[05:56] <dax> Anthony-L: yes
[05:56] <Anthony-L> bbq, my pc is maybe like a year old.
[05:56] <bbq> well, in my experience, the proprietary drivers you download through ubuntu never work properly
[05:56] <baizon> bbq: there is a nvidia ppa with which you get a 1 click solution, so why bother with building drivers
[05:57] <bbq> I would manually download them from the nvidia website
[05:57] <Anthony-L> i'll try the ones from the website, i suppose.
[05:57] <bbq> and try installing the .deb packages
[05:57] <somsip> bbq: that's not good advice
[05:57] <dax> Anthony-L: i wouldn't recommend it
[05:57] <bbq> thanks for the constructive criticism guys!
[05:57] <bbq> lol
[05:57] <baizon> bbq: why do you want to break hes system?
[05:57] <bbq> hahaha
[05:57] <somsip> Anthony-L: what version of the nvidia drivers are you using?
[05:57] <Anthony-L> OK! you see what i mean, i can never get a straight answer.
[05:57] <baizon> bbq: there is a official nvidia drivers ppa you know
[05:57] <bbq> it's the only thing that worked on my computer when I had a fancy gpu
[05:58] <baizon> Anthony-L: i gave you the straight answer
[05:58] <dax> Anthony-L: it's a pretty straight answer when everyone in the channel except for one person is saying the same thing
[05:58] <bbq> hahaha
[05:58] <bbq> i guess i'm just totally wrong, forgive me for trying to help
[05:58] <dax> so, Mr. Deez, how did you come to be in here?
[05:58] <somsip> Anthony-L: you have to learn to discern. Hence doing more research yourself and finding what advice seems to be best for you
[05:59] <bbq> good luck anthony
[05:59] <bbq> sorry i gave you advice
[05:59] <baizon> bbq: no, you give wrong advices, on nvidia.com there are no .deb packages, just a .run binary that installs the drivers into the system
[05:59] <bbq> i just told him to look at the website
[05:59] <Anthony-L> i've been doing research for the past two weeks. the community needs to go on the website and clean up the darn forums. they are so outdated and all over the place.
[05:59] <bbq> yeesh
[06:00] <baizon> bbq: therefore you have a nvidia ppa which is stable and the perfect solution
[06:00] <bbq> how do you know that the nvidia ppa won't break his system?
[06:00] <bbq> adding it could add drivers that are stable, but not on his computer
[06:00] <baizon> Anthony-L: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/ubuntu-nvidia-graphics-drivers-ppa-is-ready-for-action
[06:00] <Anthony-L> for a new ubuntu user, those forums don't help anything. they expect everyone to know the CLI already. if they're going to give an answer they should be more specific.
[06:01] <bbq> either way, i think adding the ppa is a good idea
[06:01] <baizon> bbq: everything can break the system, but the ppa got the least possibility
[06:01] <bbq> how can you say that for sure?
[06:01] <bbq> i'm curious
[06:01] <baizon> Anthony-L: terminal and pasting 2 commands is hard?
[06:01] <bbq> he never said anything is hard, don't put words in his mouth
[06:01] <baizon> bbq: because ppas are ubuntu specific, and they also have bug reports, and are tested
[06:02] <bbq> ok, i agree with that
[06:02] <nviz> search software and updates -> additional drivers -> ?
[06:02] <bbq> honestly anthony, what baizon is saying about adding the stable nvidia ppa is better than downloading the binary from the nvidia website
[06:03] <Anthony-L> baizon, you do know the proprietary drivers are nvidia-661?
[06:03] <bbq> usually in my experience, the additional drivers installation from the ubuntu software program just breaks the system.
[06:03] <bbq> i have never had it work
[06:03] <bbq> for both nvidia andati cards
[06:03] <Anthony-L> and this one is for nvidia-355
[06:03] <baizon> Anthony-L: the ppa offers nvidia-graphics-drivers-361
[06:03] <Anthony-L> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-355
[06:04] <Anthony-L> won't that install 355?
[06:04] <baizon> Anthony-L: yes it will
[06:04] <Anthony-L> well then, outdated.
[06:04] <Anthony-L> the proprietary is 361
[06:04] <Anthony-L> unless i'm not understanding something..
[06:05] <Anthony-L> but i'm pretty sure 361 comes after 355...
[06:05] <baizon> Anthony-L: yes they are, thats why i pointed at the ppa, there you get the newest ones
[06:05] <Anthony-L> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:05] <Anthony-L>  nvidia-355 : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable or
[06:05] <Anthony-L>                        xorg-video-abi-12 but it is not installable or
[06:05] <Anthony-L>                        xorg-video-abi-13 but it is not installable or
[06:05] <Anthony-L>                        xorg-video-abi-14 but it is not installable or
[06:05] <Anthony-L>                        xorg-video-abi-15 but it is not installable or
[06:06] <baizon> !paste | Anthony-L
[06:06] <tesakee> I did a fresh install of ubuntu yesterday wiping the drive, and now have only installed google chrome. My OS freezes and forces a restart, probably about 6 times in the last day. Is there a known issue I can read up on about this?
[06:06] <baizon> tesakee: which version?
[06:06] <tesakee> 14.04
[06:06] <baizon> tesakee: harwarde?
[06:06] <baizon> tesakee: hardware?
[06:07] <Anthony-L> maybe, you guys don't understand my situation. Steam is looking for openGL in the WRONG folder.
[06:08] <Anthony-L> you guys just don't listen to my question and are fast at giving answers.
[06:08] <somsip> Anthony-L: do you want to install a stable version of the nvidia drivers?
[06:08] <tesakee> Is there a way to auto detect from within the OS? It's a gigabyte motherboard gigabyte ga-z77x-ud5h
[06:08] <Anthony-L> haha, are you seriously going to say a "stable" version when they are all garbage?
[06:09] <Anthony-L> i've tried every driver and installed every PPA.
[06:09] <nviz> is linux known for gaming?
[06:09] <somsip> Anthony-L: I really dont care about arguing the toss with you. My system is fine. You're asking for help. Be civil or get ignored
[06:09] <dax> nviz: no
[06:09] <Anthony-L> same problems, if not when i try a different driver it's a whole new set of problems.
[06:09] <baizon> nviz: gaming is working for me :)
[06:09] <Anthony-L> somsip, i'm sry. just really frustrated.
[06:09] <baizon> tesakee: graphics card and cpu is important
[06:09] <somsip> Anthony-L: the launchpad PPA page states that they are using nvidia's long-term stabel branch. Not bleeding edge
[06:09] <Anthony-L> i'm pretty sure steam is looking for openGL in the wrong folder.
[06:09] <nviz> so if i was having an issue with drivers to game on linux best / easiest solution would be to use windows?
[06:10] <dax> yes
[06:10] <baizon> Anthony-L: you get a steam error?
[06:10] <dax> assuming you consider setting up Windows to be easy
[06:10] <Anthony-L> ugh, that's the first thing i copy/pasted in my question....
[06:10] <somsip> dax: OT and not helpful reference to windows...
[06:10] <nviz> so Anthony-L you've answered all your own questions
[06:10] <dax> somsip: would you prefer that i lie?
[06:10] <Anthony-L> Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated.
[06:11] <Anthony-L> and i'm updated...ready to go, baby
[06:11] <somsip> dax: no need to get personal about someone's beliefs. Help them or don't. Thats all
[06:11] <dax> somsip: I didn't get personal about anybody's beliefs. They asked a question, and I answered it.
[06:11] <tesakee> nvidia geforce gtx 950 and intel i5
[06:11] <baizon> tesakee: which graphic drivers?
[06:12] <tesakee> ubuntu says Gallium 0.4 on NVE6 under about this computer
[06:12] <jair> hello all...
[06:12] <jair> I am interested in running open stack in ubuntu
[06:12] <baizon> tesakee: try the nvidia closed source drivers, that should help
[06:13] <jair> but I want to keep it the simple as possible and I am noticing that canonical is wanting for me to install MAAS, JUJU, and other things just to get openstack running in my machines for testing
[06:14] <jair> I am really dissapointed as how so many people jump desperated to try to owe openstack, mirantis, redhat, canonical, and they all want to offer the installation of OpenStack using other things for deployment :(
[06:14] <jair> why not keep it simple
[06:15] <baizon> !offtopic | jair
[06:16] <Anthony-L> Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated.
[06:17] <Anthony-L> drivers are up to date, dont even think about asking me.
[06:17] <Anthony-L> :)
[06:18] <Anthony-L> they should make a ubuntu gaming IRC
[06:18] <Anthony-L> for troubleshooting
[06:18] <baizon> Anthony-L: locate libGL then and make a link to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu
[06:18] <Anthony-L> baizon, i already know where you're going. that's for radeon drivers with open gl problems.
[06:19] <Anthony-L> http://askubuntu.com/questions/539858/ubuntu-14-04-could-not-find-required-opengl-entry-point-glgeterror
[06:19] <miillenium> k
[06:19] <miillenium> help guys
[06:20] <miillenium> why i can't turn off monitor mode
[06:21] <baizon> Anthony-L: http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/882966056488160497/?l=english#c846939071442278559
[06:22] <dax> ia32-libs doesn't exist any more, instructions need changing for multiarch
[06:22] <dax> also, they advocate installing nvidia drivers from nvidia's website, which no
[06:23] <Anthony-L> baizon, you do realize that's a 3 year old post?
[06:23] <dax> Anthony-L: 64-bit Ubuntu install?
[06:23] <Anthony-L> yes
[06:23] <dax> 'cause i get the distinct impression that you're missing the 32-bit of some nvidia mesa/opengl library, but i know pretty much nothing about nvidia's packaging
[06:24] <dax> (i only have ati and intel stuff >.>)
[06:24] <Anthony-L> i wish i had ati and intel stuff now. :(
[06:24] <Anthony-L> haha
[06:24] <baizon> dax: no, thats known from bugs from steam, because it uses its own libs, so they mostly have to be removed and replaced with the system ones
[06:24] <dax> so... if you can figure out which one, it'd be installed with apt-get install whatever:i386, but that's not helpful if you don't know what the "whatever" is
[06:24] <dax> baizon: okay. where are instructions for fixing it that work?
[06:25] <Anthony-L> i really appreciate you guys trying. i've been to all these sites also.
[06:26] <Anthony-L> i really don't want to go back to Windows either.
[06:26] <baizon> dax: replacing the libs in the steam folder with the system ones. I posted a solution already
[06:26] <nviz> dual boot is where its at
[06:26] <manish_> can ubuntu create a hotspot as windows does ?
[06:27] <miillenium> little help, guys?
[06:27] <baizon> Anthony-L & dax this is the valve solution https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3808
[06:27] <miillenium> does anyone know how to disable monitor mode
[06:27] <Anthony-L> WoW!
[06:27] <reisio> monitor mode?
[06:27] <dreki> Monitor mode?
[06:27] <somsip> miillenium: you mean on a network card?
[06:28] <miillenium> yer
[06:28] <miillenium> yes
[06:28] <nviz> sudo ifconfig wlanXXX down
[06:28] <somsip> miillenium: https://sandilands.info/sgordon/capturing-wifi-in-monitor-mode-with-iw under "Returning to Managed Mode" (possibly - I have no idea)
[06:28] <miillenium> xxx?
[06:29] <nviz> whatever yours is named or configured as
[06:29] <reisio> strong booze
[06:29] <miillenium> ok thx
[06:29] <nviz> iwconfig to find out
[06:29] <hateball> Anthony-L: what seems to be the problem? I am using nvidia (on 361.28) with no issues
[06:29] <Anthony-L> hateball, do you use steam?
[06:29] <hateball> Anthony-L: Yes.
[06:30] <Anthony-L> well, then god loves you.
[06:30] <hateball> Anthony-L: I didnt see the start of the conversation
[06:30] <hateball> Anthony-L: Is the problem launching steam, or launching games?
[06:30] <baizon> hateball: this bug https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3808
[06:30] <somsip> hateball: it maybe best to start with no preconceptions...
[06:30] <Anthony-L> launching games
[06:30] <jerware> Hi
[06:31] <hateball> Anthony-L: valve games like TF2 and Dota?
[06:31] <Anthony-L> i can't even find the file to delete.
[06:31] <Anthony-L> i386-linux-gnu_GL.conf
[06:31] <jerware> Why is eth0 running at only 100Mbs when it can run at 1000Mbs?  http://codepad.org/H7l4JbYY
[06:32] <Anthony-L> tf2 actually. :)
[06:32] <Anthony-L> that was my test run
[06:32] <hateball> Anthony-L: well then I have a good guess
[06:32] <nviz> jerware, only as fast as your slowest network component
[06:32] <hateball> Anthony-L: Rightclick the game, go into properties. Click the launch parameters thing, set it to be "__GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1 %command%" without the ""
[06:33] <Anthony-L> hateball, i have to do this for every game i play??!?!?
[06:33] <hateball> Anthony-L: Nope, it can be set globally
[06:33] <nviz> jerware, your eth0 might be 1gb but that doesnt mean the cable, router, switch, or hub are 1gb capable
[06:33] <somsip> Anthony-L: we did this days ago...remember the .profile changes with nano????
[06:33] <hateball> somsip: oh, I remember this now
[06:33] <somsip> Anthony-L: now I know where I remember you from :-/
[06:33] <baizon> lol
[06:34] <Anthony-L> somsip, i had to reinstall ubuntu. what a surprise! reinstalling this OS for the millionth time.
[06:34] <somsip> Anthony-L: do you remember any advice you've been given? No - forget it. Into the ignore file you go.
[06:34] <Anthony-L> which means, when i reinstall, as a new ubuntu user, i have to relearn everything all over again.
[06:34] <hateball> Anthony-L: well, export __GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1 in your ~/.profile again then
[06:35] <Anthony-L> thanks hateball.
[06:35] <hateball> Anthony-L: You might want to take notes somewhere that doesnt get destroyed when you format your machine
[06:36] <Anthony-L> i really am sorry. once i think i'm smooth sailing...my machine doesn't start back up again. i literally get the purple screen of death.
[06:36] <somsip> hateball: Anthony-L: this might help - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/03/07/%23ubuntu.txt
[06:36] <miillenium> nwiz
[06:36] <miillenium> nviz
[06:36] <miillenium> it wont work
[06:37] <miillenium> sudo ifconfig wlanx down
[06:37] <nviz> miillenium, i should have warned you it will end your connection
[06:37] <miillenium> do you know why?
[06:37] <nviz> do you see it listed?
[06:37] <miillenium> no
[06:37] <miillenium> i must restart computer
[06:37] <jerware> nviz: thank you  I didn't think ethernet negotiates speeds on both ends
[06:38] <nviz> ifconfig
[06:38] <nviz> miillenium, run ifconfig an see whats listed
[06:38] <miillenium> ok
[06:38] <miillenium> i did
[06:38] <miillenium> eth, lo, wlan
[06:39] <nviz> jerware, yep it will only be as fast as the slowest part. had the issue last week. had to re wire everything in my house with cat6 and swap nic's :|
[06:39] <nviz> miillenium, wlan what?
[06:39] <miillenium> 0
[06:39] <Anthony-L> somsip, thanks for your help.
[06:39] <miillenium> wlan0
[06:39] <Anthony-L> you too hateball
[06:39] <nviz> miillenium, sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
[06:40] <Anthony-L> it works!
[06:40] <nviz> miillenium, sudo ifconfig wlan0 down
[06:40] <Anthony-L> i didn't set it globally.
[06:40] <hateball> Anthony-L: No problem, just take notes or remember for the next time ;)
[06:40] <Anthony-L> i just did the game.
[06:40] <nviz> miillenium, sudo ifconfig wlan0 mode managed
[06:40] <Anthony-L> i don't remember how to set it globally.
[06:40] <nviz> miillenium, ifconfig wlan0 up (if you want to use wireless again)
[06:40] <Anthony-L> hateball, where did find __GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1 %command% online?
[06:40] <miillenium> lets try :D
[06:41] <nviz> see you in a few :P
[06:41] <hateball> Anthony-L: Hmm?
[06:43] <Anthony-L> hateball, like how does a person of your intelligence figure this out?
[06:43] <hateball> Anthony-L: Google-fu
[06:44] <Anthony-L> man..
[06:45] <Anthony-L> i guess it set itself globally, all the other games are working.
[06:51] <hateball> Anthony-L: Only certain games are affected, see https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/45a3ri/clearing_up_the_confusion_around_the_36128_nvidia/
[06:52] <mcsmiles> Hey guys, what's goin on?
[06:52] <hateball> Anthony-L: It's mostly Valves games that put __GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS=1 in the launcher scripts, so those will break
[06:52] <Anthony-L> omg! they're talking about the steam crash.
[06:53] <Anthony-L> i was having that issue with this driver too.
[06:53] <miillenium> nviz
[06:53] <miillenium> here i am...afret restarting pc...again
[06:53] <miillenium> :D
[06:53] <miillenium> after
[06:53] <Anthony-L> i bookmarked that hateball.
[06:55] <Anthony-L> welcome to the club millenium, i'm terrified to restart. haha
[06:55] <Anthony-L> my comps been on for like a week.
[06:56] <nviz> miillenium, didnt work?
[06:56] <miillenium> no
[06:56] <miillenium> well
[06:57] <hateball> Anthony-L: Why are you afraid to restart? In any case wouldnt you rather have/fix breakage now than in 6 months and lose all your data?
[06:57] <miillenium> wlan0 wasnt there when i typed ifconfig, and after i did what you said it showed but i couldnt use internet
[06:57] <miillenium> sorry for bad english
[06:57] <Anthony-L> hateball, i dont really have data. this machine didn't matter 20 yrs ago. it still doesn't matter. :P
[06:59] <TML> does us-west-2.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com resolve for anyone right now?
[07:00] <somsip> TML: this can be useful http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[07:00] <TML> somsip: That isn't useful here
[07:00] <somsip> TML: you want to see if it's reachable from EC2 instances?
[07:00] <TML> somsip: I want to see if the DNS resolves.
[07:00] <hateball> TML: It does not
[07:00] <somsip> TML: fair enough
[07:00] <TML> I'm asking a DNS question - isup.me doesn't distinguish DNS outage from site outage.
[07:01] <Anthony-L> hateball, thanks for the help! it's game time!
[07:01] <TML> it resolved just fine less than an hour ago
[07:01] <TML> something fishy going on with DNS
[07:10] <Io> a
[07:10] <jair> hello there
[07:10] <pezet91> hello :]
[07:12] <pezet91> I installed ubuntu from usb, and i don't have grub now :/ does anyone know what is wrong?
[07:12] <jair> have anyone installed successfully openstack in ubuntu?
[07:12] <jair> pezet91: you don't have grub?
[07:12] <jair> pezet91: during the installation process you are asked where to install grub, do you remember that?
[07:13] <pezet91> i have grub, but grub does not show up at the start
[07:13] <jair> ahhh because it all boot really fast correct?
[07:13] <pezet91> I used to use this guide: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[07:14] <jair> pezet91: but are you getting the login prompt etc?
[07:14] <pezet91> yes
[07:14] <jair> pezet91: after the installation completed?
[07:14] <pezet91> yes
[07:14] <jair> there are different ways to do that to change the splash
[07:14] <jair> you want to see grub booting like in normal debian versions or like redhat for example
[07:15] <pezet91> i want to see grub, because i need start ubuntu with other kernel
[07:16] <jair> sure
[07:16] <pezet91> jair can You help me?
[07:16] <jair> pezet91: http://askubuntu.com/questions/87409/i-cant-get-grub-menu-to-show-up-during-boot
[07:17] <jair> pezet91: log in to your ubuntu and edit the file as show in this documentation
[07:18] <jair> pezet91: clear enough?
[07:18] <pezet91> ok, I check this solution
[07:18] <pezet91> wait ;)
[07:18] <miillenium> Guys
[07:18] <anay_kh> hey
[07:18] <miillenium> does anyone know how to dusable monitor mode
[07:18] <pezet91> where is a grub config file?
[07:18] <miillenium> disable
[07:19] <reisio> pezet91: what are you up to?
[07:19] <reisio> anay_kh: hey
[07:19] <miillenium> me?
[07:21] <pezet91> i cant see grub during start system
[07:21] <pezet91> jair help me ;)
[07:22] <jair> pezet91: are you reading the link I sent you?
[07:22] <miillenium> who?
[07:23] <pezet91> yes, wait :] i must to reboot server
[07:23] <jair> pezet91: /etc/default/grub
[07:23] <jair> pezet91: all the instructions are very easy to follow and very clear
[07:27] <Kartagis> how can I make a contribution to individual files?
[07:27] <Kartagis> s/make\ contribution/contribute
[07:33] <somsip> !contribute | Kartagis
[07:35] <ABC-XYZ> Hi, is hotplugging ESATA drives supported out of the box just by GUI means?
[07:36] <ABC-XYZ> or do I need to do something like echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete manually?
[07:37] <Axy> Hey all
[07:37] <Axy> is 16.04 stable enough?
[07:37] <jim> ABC-XYZ, mounting is still a root-only operation (unless you have special stuff in /etc/fstab)
[07:37] <Axy> I was planning to download it http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-1/source/
[07:37] <Axy> also which one should I be downloading
[07:38] <jair> pezet91: were you able to get grub?
[07:38] <jim> Axy, are you already running ubuntu? (if so, you could probably upgrade)
[07:38] <Axy> jim no
[07:38] <Axy> I'm going to set it up to an old macbook
[07:38] <Axy> from 2009
[07:38] <Axy> I'm leaving home in a few minuts to get myself a new hd
[07:38] <Axy> so yeah
[07:38] <jim> oh ok...
[07:38] <Axy> jim, is it a good release ? should I use it?
[07:38] <Axy> or 14.04? or 15.10 ?
[07:39] <Axy> which one should I be setting up
[07:39] <jim> I'm not actually familiar with it
[07:39] <pezet91> jair, it works :] thanks :)
[07:39] <jair> pezet91: excellent
[07:39] <jim> it's probably fine
[07:40] <el_toro> Hi there. I'm in a bit of a pickle regarding setting up MySQL server. I'm connected via ssh and cant set it up as I don't get the "graphical" screen. Is there a way to configure via terminal?
[07:41] <Axy> Hey all
[07:41] <Axy> which 16.04 should I be downloading ?
[07:41] <ABC-XYZ> I wonder if unmounting the volumes on an ESATA drive is enough to just safely remove it?
[07:42] <somsip> !16.04 | Axy
[07:42] <Axy> somsip, how does it answer my qustion
[07:42] <somsip> Axy: it doesn't. It tells you that 16.04 is discussed in #ubuntu+1
[07:42] <Axy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-1/source/ --- which one should I be downloading
[07:42] <Axy> out of 4 images
[07:42] <Axy> (what's the difference)
[07:43] <IdleOne> Axy: none.
[07:44] <IdleOne> Axy: for more info on 16.04 please join #ubuntu+1 as it is still beta and not supported in this channel yet
[07:44] <Axy> IdleOne, I did
[07:44] <Axy> the channel seems inactive
[07:45] <IdleOne> quiet now. be patient
[07:50] <kukurr> out of topic -- but does anybody happens to know a good C programming channel
[07:50] <somsip> !alis | kukurr (but ##c IIRC)
[07:53] <kukurr> ubottu , somsip thnx
[08:04] <Nicholas1> does linux rely on windows drivers?
[08:04] <yogg> Hi
[08:04] <EriC^^> hi
[08:05] <ouroumov> Nicholas1, no
[08:05] <Thordinor> When does the new ubuntu version come out ?
[08:05] <explosive> april
[08:05] <ouroumov> End of April
[08:05] <hateball> !16.04
[08:06] <Nicholas1>  ouroumov after formatting my windows 7 installation. ubuntu failed to connect to the internet
[08:06] <hateball> Nicholas1: Wireless or wired?
[08:06] <yogg> How can I change the "/usr/lib/jvm/default-java" link to the version I need (I can do it manualy but maybe I shoud use a tool here)? update-alternatives does not change the default-java link
[08:07] <hateball> Nicholas1: Some wifi chipsets require you to enable firmware that cant be enabled during install for license reasons
[08:07] <Nicholas1> why so?
[08:07] <Nicholas1> prior to the reformatting   it used to work like normal
[08:07] <Nicholas1> also the sound is not working ?
[08:08] <Nicholas1> i am wondering if linux somehow use (thorugh some bypass) windows drivers?
[08:08] <explosive> Nicholas1: no way
[08:09] <hateball> There is the exception of wrapping wifi drivers, but generally no
[08:09] <Nicholas1> hateball its a 3g modem
[08:09] <hateball> Nicholas1: Right, so you have no other means of connecting to the internet?
[08:10] <Nicholas1> explosive but just before the reformatting everything was working like normal?
[08:10] <explosive> Nicholas1: it's a coincidence
[08:10] <Nicholas1> the moment i formatted windows 7 . the changes reflected in ubuntu too
[08:10] <Nicholas1> i am confused
[08:10] <Nicholas1> hmm
[08:11] <explosive> ubuntu won't even mount the windows partition
[08:11] <Nicholas1> u sure linux has no relation with windows drivers explosive ?
[08:11] <explosive> yes, 100%
[08:11] <explosive> how did you format windows, did you do any bios update before that or something?
[08:11] <Nicholas1> may be linux is accessing them through some way?
[08:12] <explosive> that's the only way it could be related
[08:12] <explosive> Nicholas1: no, stop being silly :P
[08:12] <hateball> The concept of No seems hard to grasp here
[08:12] <Nicholas1> no i didn't do any bios update. it was just like a normal reformat
[08:13] <Nicholas1> using a windows 7 cd
[08:13] <Nicholas1> i see
[08:14] <Nicholas1> might be a coincidence then explosive
[08:14] <explosive> Nicholas1: try reinstalling windows
[08:14] <explosive> maybe it's a hardware failure?
[08:14] <Nicholas1> will do
[08:15] <explosive> i think the most logical thing is that you upgraded the kernel, formatted windows then booted into the new one
[08:15] <explosive> hold shift to get grub and then go to advanced and choose an older kernel
[08:16] <Nicholas1> explosive does reinstalling/installing windows has no effect on linux?
[08:16] <Nicholas1> no matter what u do with windows, it would have no effect on linux ?
[08:16] <PigeonWhisperer> it's usually recommended to install Windows first and then Linux
[08:16] <explosive> Nicholas1: basically yes, windows doesn't have the ability to mount ext by default even
[08:16] <explosive> Nicholas1: try booting an older kernel first
[08:17] <explosive> Nicholas1: type dmesg in the terminal, check for any errors, etc
[08:17] <PigeonWhisperer> Grub will correctly detect the Windows installation and let you boot on it, while if you Install Windows after linux, Windows doesn't care about your linux install
[08:18] <Nicholas1> i see explosive
[08:18] <hateball> !fixgrub
[08:19] <Nicholas1> i see explosive
[08:19] <Nicholas1> though my hardware (3g modem ) works fine windows 7 installation
[08:20] <Nicholas1> it only misbehaves in linux
[08:20] <explosive> Nicholas1: hold shift when the pc boots when you get grub > go to advanced > choose an older kernel
[08:20] <Nicholas1> i haven't updated my kernel explosive
[08:21] <explosive> you don't press on the update button from the box that pops up every once in a while?
[08:21] <ouroumov> Nicholas1, you've frozen your kernel manually? Because kernel updates tend to happen on a regular basis
[08:22] <Nicholas1> i do
[08:22] <explosive> Nicholas1: that updates your kernel too
[08:24] <heeen> how come my clock is wrong since upgrading to 16.04
[08:25] <heeen> I noticed I used to have UTC=no in /etc/defaults/rcS
[08:25] <ouroumov> heeen, that's a question to ask in #ubuntu+1
[08:28] <Nicholas1> is there anyway the linux drivers for my hardware got  corrupted somehow explosive ?
[08:28] <pezet91> hello, i want to install this 2 drivers: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man4/mrsas.4freebsd.html , http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man4/mfi.4freebsd.html , but I do not know how to do it :/ can someone help me?
[08:28] <Nicholas1> only the 3g modem is giving problems. rest of the hardware is fine under ubuntu explosive
[08:28] <explosive> Nicholas1: by formatting windows, nope
[08:28] <explosive> Nicholas1: did you try an older kernel?
[08:29] <Nicholas1> not yet
[08:29] <explosive> give it a shot
[08:29] <Nicholas1> will do  it later
[08:29] <Nicholas1> ok
[08:30] <explosive> you're booted into the pc right now next to you?
[08:30] <Nicholas1> explosive my device says it has drivers/support the linux. does it means the linux is using its own kernel drivers or the devices drivers for linux ?
[08:31] <Nicholas1> ?
[08:31] <explosive> linux would be using its own kernel drivers
[08:31] <pezet91> hello, i want to install this 2 drivers: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man4/mrsas.4freebsd.html , http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man4/mfi.4freebsd.html , but I do not know how to do it :/ can someone help me?
[08:31] <explosive> Nicholas1: i'd start with lspci -k
[08:31] <explosive> look for wireless
[08:32] <amethystgem> Do I need to uninstall or remove my open-source radeon drivers before installing the fglrx drivers?
[08:33] <explosive> amethystgem: no
[08:33] <hateball> amethystgem: If you use the additional drivers gui they should be blacklisted automatically
[08:33] <hateball> (I suppose the package does this)
[08:34] <amethystgem> by that you mean, not appearing? when i had 12.04 ubuntu, it did offer fglrx drivers in that tab. now, its not appearing at all. this could be because i have an older radeon. 4650 HD. I figure it wouldn't hurt to at least test and uninstall fglrx if need be.
[08:34] <amethystgem> no i guess it cant be cause of that, cause its still same card i had in old 12.04
[08:35] <hateball> Maybe fglrx has dropped support for your card, and that's why it's not showing
[08:35] <hateball> But I don't use AMD so I wont speculate. Better someone that knows this replies :)
[08:36] <amethystgem> I've checked and my card is still supported by fglrx.
[08:36] <amethystgem> my last concern is just to make sure i can safely uninstall and rollback to using the open source radeon if it doesnt work
[08:37] <hateball> amethystgem: you could also wait for 16.04 (or run beta now) to use amdgpu instead of fglrx
[08:38] <amethystgem> oh, is that supposed to be superior?
[08:38] <hateball> amethystgem: In time, anyhow. fglrx is being deprecated afaik
[08:39] <hateball> amethystgem: it should be in #ubuntu+1 but see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#fglrx
[08:39] <ouroumov> amethystgem, 16.04 LTS will drop support for fglrx
[08:39] <hateball> amethystgem: No reason for you to potentially hose your install when 16.04 is so close
[08:41] <amethystgem> in that case, i have to figure out how to make the open-source radeon driver work properly, vsycn in particular I want to be able to change. its strange because it acts like its on for games, but off for videos...
[08:41] <jwitk0> hey all, I have Cisco UCS blade running ubuntu 14.04.  It is getting stuck during reboot and I'm having a real hard time trouble shooting.  I have checked /var/log/kern.log and dmesg after a power cycle and see nothing suspicious.  I thought for a while it was rpcbind causing issues but after disabling all rpc and iscsi services the reboot still hangs.  Does anyone have any trouble shooting
[08:41] <jwitk0> advice ?  Here is a screen shot of the console during the error:  http://i.imgur.com/rvqWTsX.jpg
[08:42] <jwitk0> I have attempted setting different variations of the reboot parameter in grub
[08:42] <jwitk0>  http://i.imgur.com/rvqWTsX.jpg    shows the console
[08:55] <pezet91> hello, i want to install this 2 drivers: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man4/mrsas.4freebsd.html , http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man4/mfi.4freebsd.html , but I do not know how to do it :/ can someone help me?
[08:57] <errakeshpd> please read "SYNOPSIS"
[09:00] <ubuntu> ciao a tutti
[09:00] <ubuntu> !list
[09:21] <safe_> Something must be wierd with my laptop when a freshly installed ubuntu-partition takes nearly triple the time it takes for windows 8 to boot. How can I troubleshoot?
[09:22] <Ben64> safe_: not necessarily. windows 8 by default doesn't shut down, but hibernates
[09:25] <PigeonWhisperer> safe_, what do you see when Ubuntu is loading? If it's the logo, press Escape to see every process that is started and possible error messages
[09:25] <EriC^^> safe_: how long are we talking?
[09:26] <safe_> PigeonWhisperer: It's all the things, from even showing the logo, to waiting for a black screen, to wait for lightdm
[09:26] <Ubun> Hello
[09:26] <safe_> EriC^^: Not super long, but around 20-25 sec and I have a i5 2.3 ghz
[09:26] <Ubun> Anyone here
[09:27] <Ubun> I have problem to upgrade 10.04
[09:27] <safe_> On my desktop, it's hardly even 5 sec. Not on a SSD on either.
[09:28] <Amm0n> safe_, ubuntu 15.10 ?
[09:28] <safe_> If anything my desktop is worse than my laptop.
[09:28] <Ubun> no
[09:28] <Ubun> 10.04
[09:29] <safe_> Amm0n: Correct.
[09:30] <Ubun> Please anyone!
[09:30] <Amm0n> safe_, try: sudo systemd-analyze blame
[09:31] <PigeonWhisperer> Amm0n, that is neat
[09:32] <Amm0n> Ubun, 10.04 is EOL and i don't know if there is a sane way to upgrade.. I'd recommand to backup data and fresh install 14.04 or wait for 16.04
[09:32] <hateball> !eolupgrade
[09:32] <Ubun> sure
[09:32] <Ubun> but what to do with data
[09:32] <Ubun> ?
[09:32] <safe_> Amm0n: modemmanager.service, apparmor.service, plymouth-quit-wait.service and gpu-manager.service have the biggest differences between them
[09:32] <safe_> about 2-3 seconds each
[09:33] <safe_> maybe that's normal?
[09:33] <Ubun> its server
[09:33] <Ubun> crazy
[09:33] <Amm0n> safe_, sounds ok to me
[09:33] <Ubun> its 10.04 lts
[09:33] <Ubun> lucid
[09:33] <lilibox> hi
[09:34] <Ubun> hi
[09:34] <safe_> Amm0n: Hm, what is slowing down between me pressing ubuntu on grub and until I can login?
[09:35] <Ubun> can I paste?
[09:35] <Amm0n> Ubun, move the data to another partition, backup local or encrypt and backup in a cloud
[09:35] <Ubun> its raid!
[09:35] <Ubun> so must be solution
[09:35] <Ubun> how to upgrade
[09:35] <lilibox> i installed the latest ubuntu on friends old notebook, and i kinda forgot he wants to use such obsolete devices, like inkjet to print on medium called paper :)
[09:36] <lilibox> i am looking for the latest drivers, he had issue with color print
[09:36] <lilibox> seems like each color is printed in different height
[09:36] <safe_> Hm, could plymouth maybe be the culprit in some way? Is it safe to uninstall per usual?
[09:36] <hateball> lilibox: Do you have a printer model?
[09:37] <Amm0n> Ubun, you should have/choose an backup strategy and for eolupgrade see the link from hateball
[09:37] <lilibox> any solution for my problem? anyway he successuly adapted ubuntu, he came from windows and he is bus driver :)
[09:37] <PigeonWhisperer> Amm0n, Is there an equivalent command to systemd-analyze blame for 14.04 (upstart?)
[09:37] <Ubun> sure
[09:37] <lilibox> hateball wait, will ask him
[09:37] <Ubun> but no explaine there
[09:37] <Ubun> its older
[09:38] <Ubun> [09:40] <lilibox> hateball: some Epson brand, inkjet
[09:40] <lilibox> details are on way
[09:40] <Ubun> what is the problem?
[09:41] <craptalk> how to speed up my linux performance?
[09:42] <hateball> craptalk: Could you be more specific?
[09:42] <afrokarlsson> tere isane siiamikaksik ühines 2 poisist, kui nad sõid ära viis tüdrukut, nii et ta isa kaotas 5 muna, emane siiamikaksik ühines, kui 2 tüdrukut, sõid ära ühelt poisilt ühe, teiselt poisilt 2, kolmandalt 3, neljandalt 4, viiendalt viis ja kuuenda jätsid terveks
[09:42] <Ubun> anyone
[09:42] <craptalk> ubuntu mate 15.04 with 50gb hardisk dedicated for ubuntu, 1,7 gb ram, also intel core 2 duo chip
[09:48] <hateball> lilibox: I'm not familiar with epson, but if you have a model at least it is google-able
[09:48] <hateball> craptalk: Those are your specs, but what are you looking to speed up? Startup times? 3D performance?
[09:48] <Amm0n> PigeonWhisperer, i don't think so^
[09:51] <PigeonWhisperer> Amm0n, thx, too bad
[09:51] <Ispira> eyy
[09:52] <Ispira> I got my mother's laptop here running ubuntu 15.10, unfortunately I've got to install windows 10 beside it for specific software use
[09:53] <Ispira> what's the simplest/safest way to resize the main filesystem (mounted on /, /boot is on a separate partition) to make room for microsoft's behemoth? Live USB and Gparted resize?
[09:53] <Ben64> Ispira: yes but the windows installer doesn't play nice
[09:54] <Ben64> maybe you'd have better results running windows in virtualbox?
[09:54] <Ispira> I want a long term solution
[09:54] <Ispira> and i can't register window 10 in vbox without buying a new license
[09:54] <Ben64> yes you can
[09:54] <Ispira> im aware i have to gfix grub afterwards if that's your point
[09:55] <Ispira> Ben64: How? The 10 is OEM alreasdy registerd to the laptop
[09:55] <Ben64> Ispira: you call microsoft
[09:55] <Ispira> sorry for the typos, typing with my hands angled over a laptop
[09:55] <Ben64> oh oem
[09:58] <Ubun> anyone
[09:58] <Ubun> how to upgrade ubuntu 10.04 to 12
[09:58] <Ubun> ?
[09:58] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | Ubun , maybe fresh install 14.04 or wait for 16.04?
[10:00] <craptalk> when i try to play video from the terminal[and watching on it] using mplayer, it has its blurry image? why?
[10:00] <craptalk> is it incompatible?
[10:00] <Ben64> craptalk: what do you mean terminal
[10:01] <lilibox> hateball: he said: I though Epson SX 435
[10:01] <craptalk> Ben64: ubuntu terminal
[10:01] <Ben64> craptalk: right... like video using text only?
[10:01] <craptalk> Ben64: text only? it is like you watching in other video player, but it is in the terminal
[10:02] <Ben64> craptalk: take a screenshot, or get a lot more specific
[10:02] <craptalk> i will wait
[10:02] <k1l_> craptalk: do you mean ascii mode?
[10:02] <EriC^^> i think he just means he's launching it from the terminal
[10:02] <kunok> has anyone successfully managed to install photoshop on ubuntu 14?
[10:02] <Ben64> EriC^^: that's what i was trying to determine
[10:02] <EriC^^> yeah
[10:03] <Ben64> it's still unclear
[10:03] <craptalk> http://askubuntu.com/questions/383997/how-to-open-text-video-or-picture-files-via-terminal
[10:03] <k1l_> kunok: since they dont ship a linux version see wine
[10:03] <k1l_> !wine | kunok
[10:03] <kunok> already went trough that
[10:04] <kunok> so i ask
[10:04] <craptalk> basically, you watch it in terminal, no the one when you run vlc filename.avi , it will just open its video plyer
[10:04] <kunok> has anyone managed to successfuly install photoshop via wine that works well?
[10:04] <Ben64> craptalk: do you have a graphical user interface
[10:04] <craptalk> i run mplayer -vo filename.avi then it pops up another terminal acting like video player
[10:05] <craptalk> Ben64: i do have it of course, i just wanna know this way
[10:05] <Ben64> craptalk: why
[10:06] <craptalk> Ben64: cause it matters for my reasearch
[10:07] <Ben64> what are you researching that requires playing videos in the silliest way possible
[10:08] <mabus> kunok: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17
[10:10] <craptalk> Ben64: because playing videos in the best way possible is now common and just in case you have so much old computer with so low resources, you can use this way since mplayer worth only less than 3 mb
[10:10] <Ben64> craptalk: no, it's actually worse for performance
[10:11] <craptalk> Ben64: tell me why?
[10:11] <akkonrad> how can I force to close CLOSE_WAIT connections from tcp6 (netstat results)
[10:11] <kunok> mabus: can you confirm that you successfuly managed to install it  that way?
[10:11] <Ben64> because you're trying to push video to the framebuffer directly
[10:11] <PigeonWhisperer> craptalk, which video option are you passing after -vo ^
[10:12] <kunok> mabus: i mean, have you, yourself, managed to install it ?
[10:13] <k1l_> craptalk: -vo is for video driver. what do you select there?
[10:13] <mabus> kunok: thats the first result for "photoshop on wine" and lists the different versions and how well they work with wine (and what wine version). you wont find many people who have done this because why would you? anyone else would use gimp when on linux
[10:13] <hateball> lilibox: did you just plug and play the printer? because epson appears to provide drivers http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=SV&CN2=&DSCMI=43797&DSCCHK=403576b872cd841919ef6f7b5cd4bdbe02bfcc9e
[10:13] <Ben64> craptalk: run "DISPLAY= mplayer -vo caca <path to video>" for the most ridiculous way to view video in terminal
[10:14] <Ben64> kunok: check the appdb, follow the steps there
[10:14] <kunok> mabus: you see, i already searched google alot about this topic, watched many videos and tried to install various versions. mostly they would return error. i even managed to install one version, but fonts were broken which made program totally not usable
[10:15] <hateball> kunok: You were given a suggestion to ask in #winehq
[10:15] <kunok> mabus: that is why i ask, if you managed to install it by first hand
[10:15] <PigeonWhisperer> mplayer -vo matrixview filename.mp4
[10:15] <k1l_> kunok: this is not helping you or anyone else. so please see the winedb entry and for issues ask in #winehq
[10:15] <craptalk> Ben64: you are right, but i dont see the heavy point here, it is mainly designed to avoid such bigger resources like using other apps to run some file, and when it is indeed accessing directly through, is it much to cost the oeverall performance?
[10:15] <Amm0n> kunok, use a vm for photoshop or give krita a try
[10:16] <kunok> I guess I will go with VM
[10:16] <Ben64> craptalk: no because it has to push the video frame by frame, no hardware support at all
[10:20] <hateball> Ben64, kunok: If one is looking to play video on low resource systems, why not do it in framebuffer and ditch X?
[10:21] <kunok> hateball: i think you tagged wrong person, i asked about photoshop not videos
[10:21] <hateball> kunok: Correct! My bad
[10:21] <lilibox> hateball: yes, i did it, no luck, i installed some driver, it seems like it worked fine, but color print is messed :(
[10:21] <hateball> craptalk: ^
[10:22] <lilibox> if you want print just black and white only, everything works nice
[10:22] <hateball> lilibox: Sorry I am not of much help, I only use HP printers since they tend to "just work".
[10:22] <martin4> If I have a problem with an archive repo, who should I contact? It is the swedish archive repo
[10:22] <Ben64> martin4: pastebin the problem
[10:23] <lilibox> hateball: ok, now, i did fast page you sent me research and it looks interesting and promissing :)
[10:23] <martin4> Ben64: It's during installation of ubuntu mini 14.04. I have a syslog
[10:24] <lilibox> i didn't find this page before, thank you for provide me this link
[10:24] <hateball> lilibox: Good luck
[10:24] <lilibox> will try work with it and let you tell my result
[10:26] <Guest11524> Hi all
[10:38] <hemlockii> hello, i was trying to boot my one month old ubuntu laptop today as usual but had an unusual error. says something about fatal error during GPU init. Here's a screenshot http://oi64.tinypic.com/2jakzzn.jpg
[10:38] <hemlockii> And it drops to an initramfs shell. Can anybody help?
[10:40] <craptalk> is there any harvestmoon type of game that running on linux originally? or should i use ps emu? or does linux even have ps emu?
[10:43] <stukdev> i've a folder mount by nfs protocol, how can i change the default permission of file,directory creation?
[10:44] <hemlockii> I should add the same pc is dual boot and can boot windows without issue
[10:47] <pezet91> hello, i add to my server LSI MegaRAID SAS-MFI device - with LSI SAS3008, it need a mrsas driver (http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man4/mrsas.4freebsd.html)
[10:47] <pezet91> how install mrsas driver to kernel without recompillation kernel?
[10:50] <craptalk> in windows we have localdisk C that stores all of its system data and applications, where does the linux keep it?
[10:51] <pezet91>  /home
[10:51] <pezet91> craptalk: /home
[10:51] <jushur>  more like /
[10:51] <hemlockii> yes, its called root
[10:52] <Myrtti> craptalk: it keeps it in the local disk, in separate directories (which may or may not be on the same partition/disk) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_filesystem
[10:53] <pezet91> hello, i add to my server LSI MegaRAID SAS-MFI device - with LSI SAS3008, it need a mrsas driver (http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man4/mrsas.4freebsd.html)
[10:53] <pezet91> how install mrsas driver to kernel without recompillation kernel?
[10:53] <jushur> !patience | pezet91
[10:54] <pezet91> sorry guys :/
[10:55] <pezet91> equipment from Fujitsu is unbearable
[11:06] <Ubun> help
[11:06] <Ubun> !
[11:09] <k1l_> !details | Ubun
[11:09] <mia_> hey all
[11:09] <mia_> i am trying to install ubuntu 14.4 lts to my mackbook pro from 2009
[11:10] <mia_> I bought a brand new hard disc
[11:10] <mia_> should I do anything else
[11:10] <mia_> I don't ant dual boot with osx
[11:10] <mia_> I don't have a hd with osx installed anymore
[11:10] <pixern> :) The OP k1l is a filthy c unt. :) his mother will die from breast cancer soon.     S atan make this so :) his w h ore mother will be F UC KED in hell by jesus and the PrOpHeT Muhammad. they both F UCK pigs like her :) :)  The moderator k1l is a C U NT :)  :)㋛
[11:10] <pixern> :)
[11:10] <pixern> sorry
[11:11] <mia_> any help is appreciated
[11:12] <mia_> anyone around?
[11:12] <mia_> this place seems extremely silent today
[11:13] <k1l_> mia_: see this site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[11:13] <mia_> k1l_: I checked that not much help
[11:13] <mia_> most of the stuff is out of date
[11:14] <mia_> you linked me the same yesterday as well and I told the same
[11:14] <k1l_> what did you try? what didnt work? what is the error?
[11:15] <k1l_> "my car is broken" doesnt help anyone fixing it
[11:17] <Matas> Hi. Having problem connecting to ftp server. I have Two machines on same network running Ubuntu 14.04 on VM on Windows 10 machines. From one when I try to connect I get 421 service not avaliable. From other works ok so it shouln't be ftp server problem.
[11:17] <Matas> what could be causing it?
[11:18] <mia_> k1l_: i created a usb live disk, installed ubuntu from there, everything worked perfectly till the installation is done
[11:18] <mia_> but when I start the laptop once again its just stuck at a purple screen
[11:18] <mia_> nothing else
[11:19] <hemlockii> Nobody here understands what may be causing a drop to initramfs shell during boot?
[11:19] <k1l_> mia_: look at the specific howto for your laptop if that needs some special booting parameter
[11:19] <nullius> !phone
[11:21] <mia_> k1l_: mine is 5.5 there is nothing specific
[11:26] <k1l_> !nomodeset | mia_ try this
[11:36] <Thordinor> When i try to install ubuntu on my windows 10 laptop i get the error message 0x000007b at bootup from the usb. I cant boot it up to install it. What can i do?.
[11:37] <nullius> You could try a cd rom image
[11:37] <Thordinor> Dont have cdrom on that laptop
[11:37] <Thordinor> Its something about the bootloader is missing a file. Windows works 100 % but i cant boot up the ubuntu installer.
[11:40] <nullius> What did you use to create the bootable usb? I'd reformat and use another tool to create it
[11:40] <nullius> making sure the bootflag is set
[11:41] <Thordinor> nullius: i used Pen Drive Linux USB installer with the ubuntu.iso i downloaded everything from ubuntu.com
[11:42] <Thorax2015> Thordinor, Try using rufus instead. The Pen Drive Linux USB program is utterly useless
[11:42] <nullius> i'have had issues with it in the past
[11:43] <ghostmag> Hello - I am new to Ubuntu and am not able to visit every website. I am using Chrome and some sites just doesn't work sometimes. Sometimes even all. Right now I can not join every IRC Server because of that problem. Any suggestions?
[11:44] <Thorax2015> ghostmag, Are you able to on another PC/OS?
[11:44] <ghostmag> Yes, and it works on other systems
[11:44] <Thordinor> nullius: do you remember the fix for It ?. i am going to try to make a new installation usb. but i cant understand that it is beacuse of that.
[11:44] <ghostmag> but I am not able to switch OSs on this system right now
[11:44] <Thordinor> I have used this usb pen for another computer with no problem
[11:45] <ghostmag> Thorax2015: Two days ago I used Windows on this PC and it just worked fine
[11:45] <Thorax2015> Thordinor, Sometimes it works, others it doesnt. Have a look at rufus. It pretty much just works
[11:46] <Thordinor> .OKi :)
[11:46] <Thorax2015> ghostmag, Can you try some different browsers? Or reset chrome?
[11:47] <Thorax2015> Hmm... you say its not just in chrome though
[11:48] <ghostmag> Thorax2015: I am using IRC with Byrd IRC client as an Chrome App, so it may be just in Chrome
[11:49] <Thorax2015> hmmm... Try factory reset chrome, try another browser, try another irc client. HexChat is a very good irc client
[11:50] <Thorax2015> Its on the ubuntu software centre too
[11:50] <ilevd> Hello, how many mb Ubuntu takes after init/restart? Mint takes about 345 mb.
[11:50] <ghostmag> I will try that. Right now it works just fine again
[11:51] <ghostmag> Chrome is always able to reach my fritz.box, but there problem is just with other websites
[11:51] <ghostmag> Thanx for the help, Thorax2015
[11:51] <ghostmag> Right now, my only problem with Ubuntu is the missing possibility to change the speed of my cursor
[11:52] <ghostmag> I think it's a bug in Ubuntu 14.04, does anyone have a fix for that?
[11:53] <Thorax2015> ghostmag, Im using 15.10 so im not sure. But you should just be able to go to settings and then mouse/touchpad to adjust it
[11:53] <mia_> k1l_: I^ve been trying to do what is written here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[11:54] <mia_> k1l_: I didn't understand the partition manager case
[11:54] <ghostmag> Thorax2015: Sadly, that's not possible. There is no option to do that. I am just able to change the speed of douleclick
[11:57] <Thorax2015> ghostmag, You may just be able to do it via dconf. I'm grabbing it now myself, I will let you know if you like
[11:58] <ghostmag> That would be cool. I am just able to fix the issue with the help of the terminal right now
[11:58] <ghostmag> For example: "xset m "ZNumberA"."NumberB" 0"
[11:59] <ghostmag> but when I restart the system it is gone
[11:59] <ghostmag> Damn it, I just tried to look through the settings and now I changed the color of the whole Desktop :D
[11:59] <ghostmag> Settings -> Colors -> wanted to try out, what it is and now everything is changed
[12:02] <ghostmag> I'll try to reboot
[12:04] <floka> hello guys
[12:04] <mia_> where should I download ubuntu 16.04
[12:05] <mia_> I want to to test it
[12:05] <floka> I get this error etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 34: subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>: bad subnet number/mask
[12:05] <floka> how to fix it?
[12:05] <ghostmag> Damn it, did not work >_>
[12:05] <bezaban> network declaration? <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:05] <popey> mia_: see #ubuntu+1
[12:06] <ghostmag> Anybody here in great knowledege of the "Color" settings and is able to help? I just clicked random stuff and now my Desktop looks coloured
[12:06] <floka> dhsp range is from 100 till 150
[12:06] <mia_> thanks popey -- I checked that channel this morning but it was very empty
[12:06] <mia_> I didn't get any answers
[12:06] <mia_> that's why I'm asking here
[12:06] <floka> bezaban: I do not uderstand you
[12:06] <floka> why network mask is wrong?
[12:07] <floka> what network mask should I put for dhcp server ip <IP_ADDRESS> and dhcp range <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:07] <bezaban> floka: you define the network using the network address (in this case <IP_ADDRESS>)
[12:07] <floka> why is that?
[12:07] <bezaban> floka: the dhcp range is defined using the range keyword within that block
[12:08] <bezaban> becasue that is how you specify networks
[12:08] <bezaban> it needs to know how to listen to broadcasts etc
[12:08] <bezaban> which it derives from the network address and mask
[12:09] <ghostmag> gotit
[12:10] <popey> mia_: what model of macbook is it?
[12:10] <mia_> its 5.5, or, mid 2009 macbook pro
[12:10] <floka> i thought network address is the IP of the dhcp server
[12:11] <popey> ooh, that's quite old
[12:11] <mia_> popey: yeah sadly
[12:11] <mia_> live disk works without any problems though
[12:11] <mia_> I can boot it through the usb
[12:11] <popey> mia_: seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook5-1/Trusty  ?
[12:11] <mia_> and it works, but when I instlall, it's problematic
[12:11] <popey> oh, 5,1, sorry.
[12:12] <popey> mia_: what video card does the 5,5 have?
[12:12] <mia_> Hm I have no idea frankly
[12:12] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Lucid#Video_.26_Effects_.28Compiz.29 suggests it's nvidia
[12:12] <mia_> popey: I was following your link, and in connection, this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[12:12] <mia_> I did the stuff I have to do in gparted
[12:12] <popey> yeah, worth looking through those pages, although they're a bit dated
[12:12] <floka> when I changed the network address to the one you gave, me bezaban, <IP_ADDRESS> dhcp server started
[12:13] <mia_> well right now when I restart my macbook its waiting on a purple page for a while then gives me a black screen with busybox text
[12:13] <mia_> and in the end initramfs
[12:13] <floka> in ifconfig I have set ip of the interface running dhcp server to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:13] <mia_> I can do help and use other commands but I dont have any ideas about any of them
[12:14] <mia_> yes nvidia it is, then
[12:14] <k1l_> mia_: did nomodeset help?
[12:14] <mia_> k1l_: I don't know where to set that command
[12:15] <floka> bezaban: thank you, but I still dont get it, how network address can be ending on 0
[12:15] <mia_> k1l_: I as getting stuck at a purple screen before, now I can get past that though
[12:15] <k1l_> mia_: the bot linked you a howto
[12:15] <mia_> so I don2t think this is a screen related issue
[12:15] <mia_> k1l_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 this is what the bot linked
[12:16] <bezaban> floka: it's basic subnetting, but yes. More so, .0 will even be a valid address for a device in a larger subnet (but not handled well by some stuff)
[12:16] <k1l_> mia_: yes, did you do this in grub?
[12:16] <mia_> so where exactly I set thouse options
[12:16] <mia_> I dont know what a grub is
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:16] <mia_> k1l_: sorry, I'm very, very new
[12:17] <bezaban> but for a regular /24 subnet. <IP_ADDRESS> = network address and <IP_ADDRESS> = broadcast
[12:17] <bezaban> mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:17] <k1l_> grub is a bootloader for ubuntu. but on only-ubuntu systems its hidden by default. you need to press a key after the bios to make it appear. there you can change the nomodeset parameter so the linux kernel tries another modus to start.
[12:17] <mia_> the weird thing is fedora jsut installs and works perfectly but I want ubuntu :(
[12:18] <mia_> k1l_: I dont see any boot
[12:18] <k1l_> most times its left shift key to press to see grub.
[12:18] <popey> yeah, hold left shift as soon as you hear the apple bong!
[12:18] <mia_> when I open my computer its just a purple screen, waits a bit, then the initramfs page
[12:18] <mia_> hmm let me restart
[12:18] <k1l_> mia_: waaaaaay before the purple screen
[12:19] <mia_> yeah it ays gnu grub
[12:19] <mia_> and I have two options ubuntu and advanced options for ubuntu
[12:19] <popey> great!
[12:19] <k1l_> there press e to edit the ubuntu entry
[12:19] <mia_> OH
[12:19] <mia_> OKAY lets see
[12:19] <k1l_> mia_: that is btw all explained in the link tha bot gave you.
[12:20] <mia_> Okay perfect, setparams ubuntu
[12:20] <floka> bezaban:  should I change the ip of the interface running dhcp server from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:20] <mia_> maybe I have to look more carefully next time
[12:20] <mia_> im a bit impatient
[12:20] <k1l_> mia_: How to temporarily set kernel boot options on an installed OS (not wubi)   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[12:21] <floka> bezaban:  should I change the ip of the interface running dhcp server from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:23] <mia_> k1l_: popey okay here is the problem, I cant do ctrl x
[12:23] <bezaban> floka: no!
[12:23] <mia_> it just types xwhen I do ctrl x
[12:24] <bezaban> floka: in a /24 .0 is not a valid host address.
[12:24] <floka> so the term network address in dhcp configuration is not the network ip address of the network card
[12:24] <bezaban> floka: no :) it's a way to define the range/size of the network
[12:24] <mia_> oh f10 did it as well
[12:24] <mia_> lets see its purple screen now
[12:24] <mia_> waiting
[12:24] <floka> I see
[12:24] <floka> thank you bezaban
[12:25] <bezaban> floka: not used very often on servers, but encountered a fair bit in networking
[12:25] <mia_> k1l_: popey --- nomodeset didnt work
[12:26] <bezaban> floka: no problem :)
[12:27] <linuxuz3r> whois kazuka
[12:28] <mia_> popey and k1l_ ok I'm out of optiosn now?
[12:28] <mia_> what should I do
[12:29] <miillenium> hu guys..does anyone know how to disable monitor mode
[12:29] <miillenium> ?
[12:30] <popey> mia_: sorry, I don't know. I don't have an old mac to test on.
[12:30] <mia_> :( okay
[12:31] <mia_> what should I do in this case
[12:31] <k1l_> you could load a livecd/usb and mount the disk and look at the syslog in /var/log/ to see what the error is
[12:35] <ghostmag> Anybody here familiar with Chrome Remote Desktop?
[12:36] <ghostmag> I was able to add my ubuntu system to make it accessible, but when I access it, it just shows me the desk
[12:36] <ghostmag> no locker in the left
[12:37] <ghostmag> so i am able to use terminal commands, but I want to see the applications I installed
[12:39] <wsdjeg> anyone use neovim in ubuntu 16.04?
[12:39] <wsdjeg> here is an issue about the gnome-terminal
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> wsdjeg: #ubuntu+1 for xenial
[12:40] <k1l_> wsdjeg: for 16.04 issues please ask in #ubuntu+1 until its release. and think about filing a bug or contributing to an existing onw
[12:43] <UTAN_dev> Hey all,I have two machines. On the first, `less` behaves the same whether the opened file is short or not -- it replaces my current bash session with its output and, when I quit, it restores the bash session on my screen. On the second, if the file is less than a screenful, less simply outputs the file like `cat` would.
[12:43] <UTAN_dev> How can I make less operate on the second machine as it does on the first?
[12:43] <wsdjeg> thanks,just know there is a channal named ubuntu+1
[12:43] <wsdjeg> bey
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> UTAN_dev  less lets you scroll up and down, cat doesnt ... so if the file is shorter than one screen, you don't have to scroll up and down
[12:48] <UTAN_dev> MonkeyDust: I understand that. My problem is that, on machine 2, short files make less generate output as part of my bash session. I want less to work on a totally different screen than my bash session.
[12:49] <UTAN_dev> i.e. if I wanted to pollute my bash session with the content of a short file I'm checking, I'd simply use cat. But with less, I can check a file and, when it returns to my bash session, the only trace is the one-line less command I just ran.
[12:50] <MonkeyDust> UTAN_dev  a new terminal tab comes to mind (ctrl shift t)
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> UTAN_dev  or even a 'screen' session, so you can use split screens
[12:53] <UTAN_dev> I can't use Ctrl+T on the second machine, and I'd like to have the same behaviour on both machines so I don't have to mentally context-switch
[12:55] <UTAN_dev> The first machine does have LESSOPEN and LESSCLOSE env vars defined, which the second one doesn't. There's a difference in the environments, but I'll try duplicating that on the second.
[13:00] <rostyk> Hi there
[13:02] <meaning> hi there. I have a small question regarding wget...I'd like to use it to grab download links recursively  and generate a list inside a text file
[13:02] <meaning> thing is there are many links and I only want to list the ones coming from a specific host
[13:02] <UTAN_dev> Setting LESSOPEN='| /usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s' and LESSCLOSE='/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s %s' on the second machine had no effect, so I'm still windering where to look to explain the difference in `less` behaviour (outputting as part of the normal bash session on short files)
[13:02] <meaning> do anyone know if I can put a filter in wget command ?
[13:03] <wsdjeg> meaning: I use neovim's job-feature run wget
[13:03] <wsdjeg> just filter the list in a file
[13:04] <meaning> hm true
[13:04] <meaning> so your advice would be to list all links
[13:04] <meaning> and then use neovim to edit / filter the output file
[13:04] <meaning> ?
[13:04] <wsdjeg> yes,also you can use other tools
[13:04] <rostyk> I was trying to install Insync from official web page, but during that it desides to suddently wipe out my python alongside with vlc and kodi 16, how can I revert changes now?
[13:05] <meaning> wsdjeg: true, I didn't think about doing that
[13:05] <meaning> actually the idea was to put a filter directly in wget
[13:05] <k1l_> meaning: that sounds like bash scripting with find or awk/sed with regular expressions.
[13:05] <meaning> something like "only show me the output that countains "http://www.blablabla.com"
[13:05] <meaning> and write it to a file
[13:05] <meaning> but you'r right
[13:06] <meaning> that will do the trick
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> UTAN_dev  "less simply outputs the file like `cat` would" ... sure there's no alias that replaces less with cat ?
[13:08] <UTAN_dev> MonkeyDust: I just checked and no alias contains "less". And on files longer than a screenful, less does behave the way I want.
[13:10] <afrokarlsson> väga hästi saetud
[13:10] <MonkeyDust> !english
[13:14] <UTAN_dev> I'll email tech support and ask them if there's anything funny about altscreen behaviour. Thanks MonkeyDust and enjoy your day.
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> UTAN_dev  good luck
[13:17] <afrokarlsson> tere
[13:18] <MonkeyDust> afrokarlsson  this is the ubuntu support channel
[13:19] <cavecanem> hello there, i'm using speedtest-cli but it's not accurate at all. Do anyone know about a similar tool to use with terminal?
[13:19] <sine0> ok im loving ubuntu but I just cant get on with the _ [] X being at the top left and also the bar on the left. I would like a desktop that is similar not in look but function to windows please, any suggestions
[13:20] <aryklein> cavecanem: for download, the best speed test is download some file with torrent
[13:21] <ghodan> Hi guys, Newbie question:  What is the difference in Ubuntu + installing KDE , and Kubuntu? (Also applies to its other desktop flavors)
[13:21] <cfhowlett> ghodan, kubuntu = kde + other default apps.   ubuntu + kde != kubuntu
[13:22] <naise1> sine0: take a look here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-kinds-of-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available
[13:22] <ghodan> "other default apps"  that are not in Ubuntu?
[13:22] <pezet91> anyone can install Megaraid SAS controller on ubuntu?
[13:22] <Magentium> Hello fellow Ubuntu users :D
[13:22] <naise1> ghodan: other default apps you must install manually
[13:23] <cfhowlett> not installed in ubuntu but available ghodan
[13:23] <cfhowlett> ghodan, in fact: sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop will add kubuntu experience to your ubuntu
[13:24] <holdsworth> my metasploit installation fails on wine32 :(
[13:24] <naise1> sine0: you might like Kubuntu so I recommend taking a look at that
[13:24] <k1l_> ghodan: its about the preinstalled packages/apps.
[13:24] <holdsworth> is anyone familiar with that problem?
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> !find metasploit
[13:25] <pezet91> !find megaraid_sas
[13:25] <pezet91> !find mrsas
[13:25] <jushur> holdsworth: you are joking right? this is not #windows or #wine
[13:26] <holdsworth> jushur: this is an ubuntu related problem...
[13:26] <cfhowlett> holdsworth, more accurately, it's a wine probleb
[13:26] <cfhowlett> *problem*
[13:26] <jushur> holdsworth: you are installing it with apt-get?
[13:27] <holdsworth> jushur: in the script it uses sudo apt-get install wine32 and it fails
[13:27] <ghodan> thx
[13:27] <holdsworth> I have changed in the scrip the following `sudo apt-get install -y wine32` to `sudo apt-get install -y --force-yes wine32`
[13:27] <jushur> holdsworth: what script?
[13:28] <holdsworth> jushur: from their git repo
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> holdsworth  start from the beginning, what are you doing, changed, what goes wrong etc
[13:28] <pezet91> is a new megaraid_sas driver in official repo for ubuntu?
[13:29] <mygan> Anyone know if i can get a keycode or something from my lenovo yoga 3 14 when i rotate my screen to/from tablet mode?
[13:29] <cfhowlett> mygan, should appear in dmesg
[13:29] <holdsworth> MonkeyDust: https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/wiki/Nightly-Installers <- I followed these instructions
[13:29] <holdsworth> MonkeyDust: and then it said that it doesn't find such package as wine32, so I added an unofficial repository that contains wine32
[13:30] <holdsworth> MonkeyDust: then it said that it cannot install because the package is not authenticated
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> holdsworth  don't address me, address the channel
[13:30] <holdsworth> so I had done sudo apt-key update
[13:30] <holdsworth> MonkeyDust: ok, sorry
[13:30] <holdsworth> I will pastebin the error in a moment
[13:40] <pezet91> anyone can install Megaraid SAS controller on ubuntu?
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> pezet91: is this for an ubuntu server?
[13:42] <pezet91> yes, of course
[13:42] <pezet91> :]
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> pezet91: i think the #ubuntu-server guys might have more experience on this
[13:43] <pezet91> ok
[13:46] <marcony> hello i have problem with flash player in browser.just installed ubuntu 16.04
[13:46] <marcony> maybe somebody can help?
[13:46] <kkk123321> Hi. I am trying to install restricted addibs  Ubuntu 14.04 ,. I got this error. Kindly help http://paste.ubuntu.com/15347394/
[13:46] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu+1 | marcony
[13:46] <kkk123321> and I'm not even able to install additional hardware
[13:48] <kkk123321> kindly help anyone with this issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/15347394/
[13:48] <cfhowlett> !patience | kkk123321
[13:51] <bluefive> "I had a computer full of encrypted data defeat police forensics after a 2008 raid on my house, so I always encrypt any computer that will ever work with my photos, videos, or other material. I won't even go online with an unencrypted machine except by running the browser entirely in RAM the way a live disk does it."
[13:51] <bluefive> What do you think of this?
[13:51] <MonkeyDust> bluefive  #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:51] <cfhowlett> bluefive, completely off topic
[13:51] <cfhowlett> and obsolete
[13:51] <bluefive> Obsolete how?
[13:51] <CustosL1men> hi
[13:51] <cfhowlett> bluefive, ask #ubuntu-offtop;ic
[13:52] <popey> well, it's not a question for one.
[13:56] <lyze> Heyho, I've formatted a usb stick with 2 partitions … ext4 and fat32 … for linux and windows use distinctively. However whenever I plug the stick into the windows computer it will show as usb stick but without space. Whenever I click it I need to reformat it to access it. Did I do something wrong?
[13:57] <cfhowlett> yep
[13:57] <lyze> What?
[13:57] <cfhowlett> lyze, format the entire disk as fat32.  you can store linux files on it.  ext4 is the for the linux filesystem
[13:58] <lyze> cfhowlett: isn't there a solution to have both partitions on a stick? I kinda want to have a "secret ext4" partition on it which windows users can't access …  want to distinct private (linux) stuff with school (windows) stuff
[14:01] <lyze> Or a different example of usage would be: use one partition as live cd where the other one is data.
[14:10] <Rochvellon> you can encrypt files and folders whom you don't want to be read from others
[14:10] <holdsworth> http://pastebin.com/fbnvSif5
[14:14] <akik> wasn't there some limit with usb sticks and which partitions are shown in windows?
[14:14] <k1l_> holdsworth: you are mixing debian repos there with ubuntu. decide what you want to use: debian or ubuntu. dont use both
[14:15] <holdsworth> k1l_: I want ubuntu..
[14:15] <k1l_> then dont use debian repos. that is meant to break the packagesystem due to depency errors. like you get there
[14:16] <akik> lyze: can you try creating the fat32 partition first and after that a ext4 partition?
[14:16] <bluefive> "is the support for AES-NI hardware acceleration compiled into the kernel ? "
[14:16] <bluefive> Any answer to this?
[14:16] <holdsworth> k1l_: where can I find this package? (wine32) ?
[14:16] <lyze> akik: Ah thank you, I#ll give that a try!
[14:16] <k1l_> holdsworth: why "wine32"?
[14:16] <holdsworth> k1l_: for metasploit
[14:17] <akik> lyze: i'll try that too
[14:17] <vincent42> hi all in ubuntu 14.04 , btrfs property command seems to be missing
[14:17] <Hypatia41> Can anyone recommend a good VNC client?
[14:17] <vincent42> how to see attributes of a filesystem or file ? (for example how do I know if nocow is set on a file ?)
[14:18] <k1l_> holdsworth: are you following a wrong howto? like one for debian?
[14:18] <bluefive> Hey guys.
[14:18] <bluefive> If I am using a mini PC where heat dissipation is a significant issue because I don't want the fan running at high RPM, should I definitely avoid disk encryption?
[14:19] <holdsworth> k1l_: nope, it was supposed to work out but it is generally designed first for kali linux, since I am running ubuntu they don't bother checking the installation so I will need to find the appropiate repository/s to add
[14:19] <k1l_> holdsworth: wrong. kali uses debian
[14:19] <holdsworth> k1l_: this installation process was supposed to fit other machines which are not debian
[14:19] <Dron> Hypatia41: I am using UltraVNC, my colleaugue TightVNC
[14:19] <Dron> Can anyone familiar with systemd clear some moment for me? Can I tune logging to hold logs not for amount of data, but hold records for last N days? Not found anything about this moment. Thanks.
[14:20] <Hypatia41> Dron: thanks
[14:22] <bluefive> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/privacy-ubuntu-1210-full-disk-encryption
[14:22] <bluefive> Why is there no warning about performance overhead?
[14:23] <akik> lyze: it works that way. i split a 4 gig usb stick in two, first a 2 gig ntfs and after that a 2 gig ext3
[14:23] <lyze> akik: Ah thank you for that information! Was driving home so I got pretty excited when I heared you and that htere's a way to do it :)
[14:24] <akik> lyze: don't text and drive :)
[14:24] <lyze> akik: bus c:
[14:24] <Pici> lyze: especially if you're driving a bus!
[14:24] <lyze> Oh you >v< … shush
[14:24] <akik> i think it was having multiple ntfs or fat partitions that windows can't handle
[14:25] <negaduck> hello. how to install an unstable package from debian sid?
[14:25] <k1l_> bluefive: ask the eff who made that article. maybe its just common sense, that encryption will add another layer of workload to the CPU and is best handled by CPUs supporting it
[14:26] <Pici> negaduck: generally, you don't.
[14:26] <bluefive> k1l_: Someone with a quad core i7 said he noticed major performance issues with encryption enabled.
[14:26] <negaduck> Pici: I'm probably missing something. How to install this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vowpal-wabbit/8.1.1-1 &
[14:27] <negaduck> Pici: it's in unstable, but I'm not sure how to install it
[14:27] <floka> if an application window is too big is there a way to move it out of the screen so I can see other parts of it
[14:27] <negaduck> I've found some info on how to install it in debian, but can't find info for ubuntu
[14:27] <floka> I tried shift and lmb and then to move it , but it does not work
[14:28] <akik> bluefive: i have an i3 processor and an ssd with fde. i really don't see a noticeable slowness
[14:28] <k1l_> negaduck: its in 16.04 universe proposed but got buidling errors for all builds except 64bit. so maybe that still needs some tweaking
[14:28] <Pici> k1l_: took the words out of my mouth
[14:29] <jushur> i3 does not have the proper accel for encryption
[14:29] <bluefive> jushur: What acel?
[14:29] <bluefive> jushur: Some i3s come with AES-NI.
[14:29] <k1l_> bluefive: did you look up some benchmarks already about FDE and ecryptfs etc? there is a difference in them and yes they all have an impact.
[14:29] <k1l_> jushur: bluefive aes support.
[14:30] <akik> bluefive: i have an Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 380  @ 2.53GHz
[14:30] <jushur> bluefive: give me an example if a i3 version that has aesni.
[14:30] <jushur> if/of
[14:30] <bluefive> i3 5005U has AES-NI.
[14:31] <k1l_> negaduck: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vowpal-wabbit/  see this overview. the 8 version is only in 16.04 proposed. proposed is meant for the automatic testing. if you want 8 in another release you might want to look after a PPA (see the green link at the bottom) or build it yourself.
[14:31] <Wisnia> hi how to move buttons from left to right?
[14:31] <k1l_> Wisnia: on unity?
[14:31] <xangua> Wisnia: if you mean in unity, you don't
[14:32] <Wisnia> yes
[14:32] <Wisnia> desktop
[14:32] <Wisnia> ubuntu
[14:32] <k1l_> Wisnia: that is not working anymore on unity
[14:32] <bluefive> akik: I believe if you compared your system to one that is identical but not encrypted, you would be sorry you chose encryption.
[14:32] <bluefive> akik: The overhead really is significant.
[14:32] <chotaz`w> I've been trying to apply an SSL redirect on my little pet project, however I've stumbled on another problem. When I try to 'a2dissite dd.myproject.local' it tells me the said site doesn't exist, but I'm sure it's under /sites-enabled/ and that it does exist by that name. Am I overlooking something?
[14:32] <bluefive> akik: Not noticeable unless you have a control but definitely significant.
[14:33] <negaduck> k1l_: got it, thanks
[14:33] <k1l_> bluefive: that is no news. so what is the issue now?
[14:33] <akik> bluefive: i used this laptop without encryption before. but now i'm keeping it at a place that it might get stolen so i installed it with ubuntu's fde. it really can keep up with my work
[14:34] <bluefive> Well, also for a laptop encryption can be bad because it's straining the components, causing more heat.
[14:35] <bluefive> Your CPU really isn't very powerful.
[14:35] <k1l_> bluefive: please put your general talks and thoughts into the offtopic channel. we try to focus on real technical support in here. and not the "what if" theories about hardware and encryption
[14:35] <akik> i also have a virtualbox win8.1 vm on this box
[14:35] <akik> the bigger problem for cpu is the windows modules installer worker which takes the cpu to hilt
[14:36] <akik> to top. i don't know the right english words
[14:36] <Wisnia> how to move buttons from left to right?
[14:37] <k1l_> Wisnia: its not possible on unity anymore. the buttons are hardcoded to the left side.
[14:37] <Wisnia> no movemnt?
[14:38] <k1l_> try to use it that way. you will get used to it after some hours. or use another desktop if that is the most important thing for you. like xfce or mate.
[14:39] <bluefive> k1l_: I found this:
[14:39] <bluefive> "Under Ubuntu Linux, even for supported hardware, the Intel AES-NI capability is not taken advantage of when enabling its data encryption feature."
[14:39] <bluefive> What do you make of this?
[14:39] <cappe> i'm having serious problems with apt-get or dpkg reporting /var/lib/dpkg/status-open -- with no such file or directory, any ideas on this one? apt-get is completely broken
[14:40] <mia_> hey all
[14:40] <mia_> i've been trying to install and run ubuntu 15.10 on a 2009 macbook
[14:40] <mia_> I'm always getting stuck at the initial screen, after a purple full screen image it never boots in
[14:40] <mia_> but the unetbootin created usb stick works (as a live disk)
[14:40] <mia_> can anyone guide me through
[14:41] <mia_> I've also installed fedora to try out and it instantly worked eventhough ubuntu is much more user friendly
[14:41] <mia_> when I prett alt as my macbook turns on I can see fedora but when I install ubuntu in the exact same way ther is no OS to be selected
[14:41] <cappe> the error message of mine means I should check this serious problem with the developers...
[14:41] <bluefive> "Interestingly, the PostMark performance is around 25% higher when *not* using the Intel AES-NI instruction set."
[14:41] <mia_> should I configure it in a different way
[14:42] <cappe> I need to install programs to fix this but since apt-get is corrupt I cant!
[14:43] <cappe> I simply cant get the file /var/lib/dpkg/status-open to regenerate!
[14:43] <mesam> hi all
[14:43] <Wisnia> no possibility of moving theses buttons?
[14:43] <Scunizi> cappe: if you created a separate /home partition when you installed, it makes it easy enough to re-install the base system without touching your data.
[14:43] <ouroumov_> Wisnia, not using standard Ubuntu Desktop
[14:44] <bluefive> "The Intel AES-NI support did not dramatically affect the performance of using Ubuntu home encryption, at least for this hardware/software configuration and benchmark workload. In some tests, loading the aesni-intel module even worsened the disk performance, but for the most part the difference was negligible. "
[14:44] <ouroumov_> Wisnia, there are other desktops you can try such as the one used in Ubuntu MATE.
[14:44] <mesam> i have ubuntu...my friend have ubuntu too...we are far from toghether..how can i share my desktop too see it for her?
[14:44] <cappe> Scunizi: havent done that
[14:44] <ouroumov_> bluefive, Aaron Toponce's blog is great but it's Off Topic
[14:45] <frostschutz> bluefive, aes-ni works wonders for me, biggest performance gain for me when switching from an old C2D to Haswell i5...
[14:45] <bluefive> frostschutz: You don't know it's the AES-NI that is responsible for that gain.
[14:46] <bluefive> ouroumov_: But it's about Ubuntu home encryption.
[14:46] <sevenup__> hola a todos
[14:46] <Scunizi> cappe: if the dpkg issue isn't fixable, you could create a partition for your data, change the /home reference to that partition and then proceed with the reinstall.
[14:46] <bluefive> ouroumov_: "This is a narrow set of disk-focused tests and from just a single hardware/software configuration, but it doesn't appear that the Intel AES-NI support is able to provide any advantage -- but in some cases, a disadvantage -- for the disk encryption performance in Ubuntu 11.10."
[14:46] <frostschutz> bluefive, it is. no point discussing it ;)
[14:46] <mesam> anybody cant help me?
[14:46] <ouroumov_> bluefive, ok
[14:46] <cappe> I really wanna fix this in the current system without reinstalling anything
[14:46] <k1l_> bluefive: that statement is from 2011 right?
[14:46] <bluefive> k1l_: Yes. What has changed since then?
[14:47] <jushur> bluefive: why use home dir encryption? just use whole disk luks with aes? and the aesni will work?
[14:47] <cappe> this is what I get when I try apt-get update
[14:47] <cappe> Hit http://ftp.lysator.liu.se wily-backports/universe Translation-en Reading package lists... Error! E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2: No such file or directory) E
[14:47] <bluefive> jushur: Why is whole disk preferable? Home dir is a more elegant soln.
[14:48] <cappe> it keeps reporting nonsence about /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:48] <cappe> I guess I need to reinstall dpkg?
[14:48] <k1l_> bluefive: LUKS vs ecryptfs
[14:48] <cappe> how? when I cannot use apt-get at all!
[14:49] <bluefive> k1l_: So what makes LUKS preferable to ecryptfs?
[14:49] <cappe> I had a clean install and at the very first boot this problem was present
[14:49] <k1l_> look at the benchmarks on that site about those 2
[14:49] <nicomachus> cappe: what version of ubuntu?
[14:49] <cappe> 15.10
[14:49] <Scunizi> cappe: that just means something goofed on install.. I'm googleing..
[14:49] <bluefive> k1l_: www.phoronix.com
[14:49] <bluefive> k1l_: This site?
[14:49] <cappe> oki
[14:50] <jushur> bluefive: i disagree on that, i use /boot on external hardware encrypted device. and full disk luks on the machine. and its blazingly fast on systems with aesni cpu support.
[14:50] <bluefive> jushur: Really?
[14:50] <bluefive> jushur: It's faster in your experience than the home dir encryption?
[14:51] <jushur> bluefive: yes, greatly.
[14:51] <bluefive> jushur: Are you sure the AES-NI on your CPU is having a beneficial effect?
[14:51] <Thordinor> Trying to boot from my USB ubuntu installer but i get the message "Windows Boot Manager". File wubildr.mbr : Status 0x000007b
[14:51] <bluefive> jushur: According to the benchmarks, AES-NI provides no improvement in some cases and decreased performance in others.
[14:51] <Thordinor> So i cant install ubuntu on my laptop. what can i do about it ?
[14:52] <k1l_> bluefive: it definetively does have a positive affect on encyption. no matter how many days you keep asking it
[14:52] <bluefive> k1l_: Not what the 2011 benchmarks on phoronix show.
[14:53] <k1l_> bluefive: _2011_
[14:53] <jushur> bluefive: well i have noticed the heat issues on all systems that does not have aesni, basicly the cpu has to work so hard its fans are always at 100%
[14:53] <Scunizi> cappe: 2 things to try.  Make a new user and try from there. 2> http://askubuntu.com/questions/659346/open-lock-file-var-lib-dpkg-lock-open-21-is-a-directory
[14:53] <k1l_> bluefive: since you dont believe us anyway please look up the kernel version and aes and encryption support build in. and look up the CPU used back then.
[14:54] <cappe> ok, thanks for helping me out!
[14:54] <k1l_> bluefive: but since you dont do all this but just say "i dont believe you" please stop asking in here
[14:54] <bluefive> k11, You're saying significant changes have occurred since 2011?
[14:54] <bluefive> AES-NI ***now*** makes a good difference?
[14:54] <bluefive> Because in 2011 it was a net drag.
[14:54] <ouroumov_> bluefive, the last post on pthree says with AES-NI there was a five-fold speedup.
[14:54] <k1l_> bluefive: look it up. you want to know about it and dont trust users who have answered you very lenghly already for days.
[14:55] <Anticom> Hi all
[14:55] <bluefive> ouroumov_: Do you have a link?
[14:55] <Anticom> Just to make sure: dd follows symlinks by default, right? so if i do `dd if=my-symlink of=some-destination` it won't copy the link but the actual file the link is pointing at, right?
[14:55] <ouroumov_> "In this case, we see about a 5x performance improvement when using the AES-NI instruction set as compared to when not using it." - https://pthree.org/2016/03/08/linux-kernel-csprng-performance/
[14:55] <k1l_> bluefive: buy that new CPU with aes support. but please stop asking the same questions over and over again
[14:56] <bluefive> LOL. I don't need a new CPU. k11, I'm here for the Ubuntu support.
[14:57] <Anticom> Anyone?
[14:57] <Scunizi> Anticom: did you ask a question? All I saw was "Hi"..
[14:57] <Anticom> Scunizi: <Anticom> Just to make sure: dd follows symlinks by default, right? so if i do `dd if=my-symlink of=some-destination` it won't copy the link but the actual file the link is pointing at, right?
[14:57] <bluefive> k11, Well anyway, you're costing me a bunch of extra money and I doubt you're intending to compensate me.
[14:58] <Scunizi> Anticom: sorry can't answer that one.
[14:58] <bluefive> ouroumov_: Good URL.
[14:58] <bluefive> Interesting to see Luke here.
[14:59] <Luke> ?
[14:59] <suxuanhua> ..
[14:59] <frostschutz> Anticom, dd can't create symlinks, for that you have to use ln -s, cp -a, ..
[14:59] <andreasd> Hi. The apt-get is nice and all, but some of the packages is realy (like really) outdated. So I have to download some by source, in case I don't want to use some 3 year old version. But where do I install the software? I am a bit confused to be honest. I know how to extract a tarball and all, but where do I install it, what directory?
[15:00] <Anticom> frostschutz: i don't want to create symlinks. I want to know when i provide a symlink to if, whether dd copies the symlink itself or follows it and copies the file the link is pointing at
[15:00] <frostschutz> Anticom, think about it
[15:00] <Anticom> andreasd: Not really an answer to your question but you could look for ppa repos providing those packages
[15:00] <ouroumov_> andreasd, you can do that in a directory in your home folder. I usually do that. You gotta pass some specific flags to ./configure and the other build systems
[15:01] <Anticom> frostschutz: well in the manpage, therese a nofollow flag
[15:01] <Anticom> hence i guess by default it does follow links
[15:01] <Scunizi> andreasd: you might be better off with a prepackaged current version from a ppa that's done the compiling already.
[15:02] <Thordinor> Trying to boot from my USB ubuntu installer but i get the message "Windows Boot Manager". File wubildr.mbr : Status 0x000007b. What is wrong, and what can i do to fix this ?
[15:02] <Scunizi> andreasd: you might also read http://askubuntu.com/questions/140998/compiling-source-into-a-deb-package
[15:03] <SchrodingersScat> !latest | andreasd
[15:04] <Scunizi> andreasd: g search for your program name and PPA..
[15:04] <Anticom> Thordinor: maybe malfomed image on the thumb drive? Did you try copying the image to the usb stick again and retry?