[07:17] <makuseru> it did my old one
[07:17] <stdin> amarok does
[07:17] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: that
[07:17] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: that's great! :)
[07:17] <makuseru> not this new Nano
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: havent got a clue were that cvs package came from, and no I never set up beryl on this dev machine
[07:17] <eisenbergs> !nvidia eisenbergs
[07:17] <intelikey> !nano
[07:17] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:17] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: ah.. I should have asked you to do "apt-cache policy libglu1-mesa"
[07:18] <eisenbergs> whats the link for installing nn vidia drivers?
[07:18] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: remember that command, it will show you the available versions of a package and which repo they are from
[07:18] <Jucato> !nvidia | eisenbergs
[07:18] <stdin> nothing I know can sync with the new nano yet
[07:18] <ubotu> eisenbergs: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:18] <Jucato> intelikey: I think they mean iPod Nano :P
[07:18] <intelikey> oh  !
[07:18] <intelikey> :)
[07:19] <stdin> yuriy: mine was a gift, so I didn't buy it :P
[07:20] <stdin> my nano runs rockbox anyway, and ipodlinux
[07:20] <akrus> could someone tell me how to open .CDR file under Linux?
[07:20] <akrus> (CorelDraw)
[07:21] <slyfox> crap I jsut created a MySQL database with wrong password, any idea how to delete databse or change password ?
[07:21] <intelikey> gimp ?
[07:21] <akrus> intelikey: okay, I'll try
[07:21] <intelikey> ood ?
[07:22] <intelikey> akrus i'm not sure on either of those.
[07:23] <akrus> ood?
[07:23] <soulrider> akrus: kryta?
[07:23] <akrus> what's this?
[07:23] <Jucato> krita
[07:23] <akrus> krita = Select filter
[07:23] <akrus> :)
[07:24] <soulrider> aight, im going to bed
[07:24] <soulrider> see ya!!
[07:24] <slyfox> crap I jsut created a MySQL database with wrong password, any idea how to delete databse or change password ?
[07:24] <slyfox> soulrider: good night
[07:24] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: sweeeeeeeeet, the code is compiling
[07:25] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: good for you :)
[07:25] <intelikey> akrus is CorelDraw = svg ???   if so  inkscape and sodipodi  may work ....
[07:26] <akrus> hm ok
[07:27] <Linux_Galore> bbs have to see if this patch works
[07:27] <Jucato> Raster graphics = Krita, the GIMP, etc. Vector graphics = Inkscape, sodipodi, karbon14 (eek?)
[07:28] <a9913> how do i play mp3s in amarok?
[07:29] <Jucato> !mp3
[07:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:29] <a9913> thanks
[07:29] <akrus> nah
[07:29] <akrus> nothing works :)
[07:29] <intelikey>           - But please use free formats if you can:
[07:29] <akrus> VMWare + Corel is the only solution~
[07:29] <akrus> OGG is better
[07:29] <akrus> already converted everything :)
[07:30] <akrus> almost everything*
[07:30] <stdin> akrus: or VirtualBox to replace vmware
[07:30] <intelikey> .ogg     we want ogg      we want ogg     we want ogg
[07:32] <eisma> i get this: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:32] <eisma> as a result from downloadng flash bu it going too slowly
[07:32] <intelikey> COD was kinda one of thos onez's anyway wasn't it ?
[07:32] <eisma> how do i kill that?
[07:32] <eisma> cause i dont want to run it
[07:32] <intelikey> remove the lock file ?
[07:33] <intelikey> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:33] <stdin> you may not have to do that
[07:33] <stdin> just run the command in konsole
[07:33] <eisma> i still get it
[07:33] <eisma> i dont want to run the command
[07:34] <eisma> i want it to just stop workng
[07:34] <eisma> cause when i run it, it ends up downloading a file that takes days to ddownload
[07:34] <eisma> and i dont want that
[07:34] <eisma> eisma@eisma-desktop:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:34] <eisma> eisma@eisma-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[07:34] <eisma> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:34] <eisma> eisma@eisma-desktop:~$
[07:35] <stdin> try sudo dpkg --purge -r flashplugin-nonfree
[07:35] <intelikey> stdin that will still have to set it up before it can remove it.
[07:35] <stdin> intelikey: it has worked sometimes before
[07:36] <akrus> stdin: is it better? :)
[07:36] <stdin> wouldn't say it's better exactly
[07:39] <premier_> Ive been having my computer lock up occasionally on boot, and its says "BUG: Soft lockup on CPU#0".  Whats the deal?
[07:40] <premier_> Im running a dual core
[07:41] <a9913> can anybody give me apt's sources.list? i sorta messed mine up :/
[07:41] <stdin> !source-o-matic
[07:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:42] <a9913> intelikey, thanks
[07:42] <intelikey> np
[07:42] <a9913> stdin, thanks
[07:42] <stdin> np
[07:42] <premier_> intelikey: so about my computer locking up on boot
[07:43] <intelikey> premier_ don't know.  have you look through the bug reports ?
[07:43] <premier_> how long should I wait when it does that before giving up and rebooting?
[07:43] <premier_> ummm... no
[07:43] <intelikey> max timeout on anything i know of is 10 minutes.
[07:43] <intelikey> i'd probably giv it 20 seconds  :)
[07:43] <premier_> okay
[07:44] <intelikey> but if the output is "soft lockup"  it's not going to time out.
[07:45] <intelikey> that's one click short of 'kernel panic'
[07:46] <intelikey> and three clicks better than letting the smoke out of the cpu
[07:49] <slyfox> how do I remove a folder even if it contains file inside it?  rmdir does not work
[07:50] <intelikey> "digital smoke"  heh that'll pass right through a 'firewall' wont it ?
[07:50] <intelikey> rm
[07:50] <intelikey> man rm
[07:50] <intelikey> short answer is   rm -R
[07:50] <slyfox> cool
[07:51] <slyfox> intelikey: thanks
[07:51] <intelikey> now do us all a favour and read the man page
[07:51] <intelikey> :)
[07:51] <meteor-1500> how can i get supermount style cd and usb drive mounting?
[07:52] <intelikey> !supermount
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about supermount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <meteor-1500> the default thing doesn't seem to unmount cd's
[07:52] <intelikey> oh automounting....   yuch.
[07:53] <intelikey> i never touch the stuff
[07:53] <akrus> usbmount :)
[07:53] <meteor-1500> why not?
[07:53] <akrus> sudo apt-get install usbmount
[07:53] <intelikey> !usbmount
[07:53] <ubotu> usbmount: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.14ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:54] <meteor-1500> ta
[07:54] <akrus> does not work for me anyway xD
[07:54] <akrus> it works for MP3 player
[07:54] <akrus> but not for Card Reader T_T
[07:54] <akrus> my Card Reader died lol
[07:54] <intelikey> !dontwork
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dontwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <intelikey> !work
[07:54] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[07:55] <akrus> intelikey: do you have any idea why is my card reader not working whereas on my friend's PC it's ok?
[07:55] <intelikey> akrus dmesg | less    see if it's recognized && if any errors
[07:56] <akrus> no errors
[07:56] <akrus> it's mounted very rarely
[07:56] <akrus> I can mount it manually
[07:56] <akrus> but if I copy something
[07:56] <akrus> the data is broken
[07:56] <akrus> and some files cannot be read
[07:56] <akrus> from SD
[07:57] <akrus> MemorySticks are not working at all~
[07:57] <akrus> but it worked!
[07:57] <intelikey> have no klue.   maybe hardware issue ?  loose cable bad contacts....     i don't know
[07:57] <Jucato> !enter
[07:57] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:57] <Jucato> :)
[07:57] <akrus> amaroK detected it
[07:57] <akrus> everything is okay with
[07:58] <akrus> tried at friend's PC :)
[07:58] <intelikey> akrus you are missing the point.  if it works on other boxes....
[07:58] <akrus> it worked :)
[07:58] <akrus> hm
[07:58] <akrus> some flood :)
[07:59] <intelikey> but now doesn't on yours....
[07:59] <akrus> [ 4175.180000]  SCSI device sdc: 245504 512-byte hdwr sectors (126 MB) [ 4175.180000]  sdc: Write Protect is off [ 4175.180000]  sdc: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 [ 4175.180000]  sdc: assuming drive cache: write through [ 4175.180000]   sdc: sdc1
[07:59] <akrus> that's dmesg
[07:59] <intelikey> so hardware is questionable.  it could be software.  but hardware is questionable if it only fails on one set of hardware.
[08:00] <akrus> lemme check another cable
[08:00] <akrus> Card Reader is working I'm sure
[08:01] <akrus> same
[08:01] <akrus> amaroK detected
[08:01] <akrus> KDE = no
[08:01] <akrus> mounting manually
[08:02] <akrus> actually we tried this with 2 different card-readers
[08:03] <akrus> same T_T
[08:03] <akrus> File cannot be opened
[08:03] <intelikey> that sounds like permissions
[08:03] <intelikey> ls -l
[08:03] <akrus> but some are opened
[08:04] <akrus> -rwxr-xr-x
[08:04] <intelikey> owner ?
[08:04] <akrus> and some drwxr-xr-x
[08:04] <akrus> root
[08:04] <akrus> sudo chmod 0777 ./ -R
[08:04] <intelikey> looks like you should have read only access
[08:04] <akrus> Read-only file system
[08:04] <akrus> Input/output error
[08:05] <intelikey> mount
[08:05] <intelikey> ?
[08:05] <akrus>  /dev/sdc1 on /media/sdcard type vfat (rw)
[08:06] <intelikey> sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/sdcard
[08:06] <akrus> I actually changed nothing except installing some packages from repository
[08:07] <intelikey> ls -l /media/sdcard
[08:07] <akrus> same :)
[08:08] <akrus> Read-only file system :D
[08:08] <intelikey> ls -l /media/sdcard
[08:08] <intelikey> show me one.
[08:08] <akrus> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  2173314 2006-10-20 12:08 YouandI_Yuyuro.mp3
[08:09] <intelikey> mount | grep media/sdcard
[08:09] <akrus>  /dev/sdc1 on /media/sdcard type vfat (rw,umask=000)
[08:10] <akrus> the only way I found to copy files
[08:10] <intelikey> you can't have umask=000 and perms 755 at the same time....
[08:10] <akrus> before mounting
[08:10] <akrus> chmod 0777 on /media/sdcard
[08:10] <akrus> and then mount the volume
[08:10] <akrus> I'll be able to copy only under root
[08:10] <akrus> but anyway after unmounting files are mostly 0 bytes or broken
[08:11] <intelikey> need to   sync ;umount blah
[08:11] <intelikey> but i still say "<intelikey> you can't have umask=000 and perms 755 at the same time...."
[08:11] <akrus> blah: command not found
[08:12] <akrus> :)
[08:12] <akrus> what is sync?
[08:12] <intelikey> man sync
[08:12] <akrus> actually one thing is confusing
[08:12] <akrus> ?---------  ? ?    ?           ?                ? VA-Anjunabeats_Worldwide_1-2CD-2006-TGX
[08:12] <akrus> and the folder is Red o_O
[08:13] <intelikey> broken link
[08:18] <intelikey> hmmm in konqueror i get error "executing shell commands works only from local dirrectories"     so where is  trash:///  then ?
[08:19] <intelikey> akrus   sudo umount /media/*
[08:19] <intelikey> do that about three times and try this.
[08:19] <akrus> device busy
[08:20] <raphink> intelikey: .local/share/Trash/ iirc
[08:20] <akrus> ah
[08:20] <akrus> okay now
[08:20] <akrus> not mounted :)
[08:20] <intelikey> sudo mount -o umask=0000,rw /dev/sdc1 /media/sdcard
[08:21] <intelikey> raphink then why can't konq execute any commands in there ?
[08:21] <raphink> well ~/.local/share/Trash and trash:// are not the same
[08:21] <raphink> for Konqueror, trash:/, media:/, camera:/ and alike are distant protocols
[08:22] <raphink> and Konqueror only accepts to execute commands from local dirs as it said in the error
[08:22] <intelikey> so where is me when i go to  trash:///   ?
[08:22] <akrus> :o
[08:22] <Jucato> ~/.local/share/Trash
[08:22] <raphink> you are browsing ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[08:22] <akrus> mounted
[08:22] <raphink> but Konqueror sees it as if you were browsing remotly
[08:22] <Jucato> the magic of KIO
[08:22] <akrus> -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root  2173314 2006-10-20 12:08 YouandI_Yuyuro.mp3
[08:23] <raphink> to Konqueror, trash:/ has quite the same status as sftp:/ for ex
[08:23] <eisenbergs> Can someone run me through on how install firefox? * very newbie i know*
[08:23] <raphink> yes Jucato
[08:23] <pgdown> eisenbergs
[08:23] <intelikey> akrus so can you write there now ?
[08:23] <akrus> eisenbergs: sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:23] <raphink> eisenbergs: sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:23] <akrus> intelikey: lemme check
[08:23] <pgdown> open terminal and type sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:23] <pgdown> too late
[08:23] <akrus> no access
[08:23] <akrus> ~_~
[08:23] <eisenbergs> bahah. okay. thanks.. lol that was uhh
[08:23] <eisenbergs> haha
[08:24] <raphink> intelikey: this is the problem we had with media:/ and kaffeine
[08:24] <intelikey> akrus broken hardware.
[08:24] <Jucato> and the problem with home:/ grr....
[08:24] <raphink> intelikey: because opening files in media:/ is just like opening them in sftp:/, it's seen as a distatnt protocol
[08:24] <Jucato> it's both a convenience *and* and inconvenience...
[08:24] <raphink> intelikey: so Konqueror/Kaffeine/etc. copies the files to /tmp first and then only reads them
[08:24] <eisenbergs> this is wha ti just got
[08:24] <eisenbergs> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:24] <eisenbergs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:24] <intelikey> raphink ok.   i stand under you.
[08:24] <Jucato> eisenbergs: is Adept still open?
[08:24] <pgdown> eisenbergs: be sure to enable the extra repos: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[08:25] <pgdown> follow the instructions on that page
[08:25] <eisenbergs> yea. adept is still open. shut it and away it goes*
[08:25] <pgdown> you can only have one instance of apt-get or adept open
[08:25] <pgdown> at a time
[08:25] <akrus> intelikey: it's working :)
[08:26] <akrus> intelikey: on Feisty alpha 2...
[08:26] <akrus> and this is happening for another card reader too :3
[08:26] <intelikey> akrus one other thing i'd like you to post      uname -r    could be kernel bug...
[08:26] <akrus> 2.6.19-7-generic
[08:26] <intelikey> k
[08:26] <akrus> I cannot get 2.6.20 working :)
[08:27] <akrus> it's always something saying me
[08:27] <akrus> while booting
[08:27] <intelikey> i might sujest a .17 kernel for testing that.
[08:27] <intelikey> just to make sure
[08:27] <akrus> Cannot assign region for PCI something
[08:27] <akrus> hm
[08:28] <akrus> we have tested under 2.6.20 -> was okay
[08:28] <eisenbergs> is there a plugin or something for kde where i can view network traffic?
[08:28] <yuriy> akrus i haven't read the conversation, but the card reader in my laptop didn't work with 2.6.17 and eariler, so if yours is a Ricoh it might be that
[08:29] <intelikey> akrus also make known in  #ubuntu+1  they may have a known issue there.
[08:29] <akrus> hm okay :)
[08:29] <akrus> us 002 Device 009: ID 0aec:3260 Neodio Technologies Corp. 7-in-1 Card Reader <-- it's not Ricoh :)
[08:30] <yuriy> eisenbergs: i know there are some karamba themes that include one
[08:31] <surgy> whats the terminal command for "delete" ?
[08:31] <yuriy> surgy: rm
[08:31] <intelikey> sudo rm /dev/hd*    (:
[08:32] <surgy> yuriy: whats the comand to remove a directory?
[08:32] <yuriy> rmdir
[08:32] <Jucato> intelikey: please don't do that
[08:32] <intelikey> rm -r
[08:32] <kraut> moin
[08:32] <yuriy> -r to delete the files in it as well
[08:32] <surgy> yuriy: what if its not empty?
[08:32] <intelikey> Jucato that wont really hurt anything.   but it will scare the krap out of a guy
[08:33] <yuriy> surgy: -r
[08:33] <Jucato> intelikey: which is why I'm asking you not to do that
[08:33] <intelikey> or -R
[08:33] <surgy> thnx :)
[08:33] <intelikey> Jucato a reboot and all is normal.  udev makes those inodes each boot.
[08:34] <Jucato> it still might give ideas to unwitting/unknowing newbies
[08:35] <intelikey> it's
[08:35] <akrus> intelikey: should I select generic, i386 or something else?
[08:35] <eisenbergs> how do i open firefox up now..
[08:35] <eisenbergs> nvm
[08:35] <eisenbergs> brain fart
[08:35] <eisenbergs> ignore it
[08:35] <Jucato> eisenbergs: it should be in your K Menu
[08:35] <intelikey> yes generic i386
[08:35] <akrus> both? o_O
[08:35] <eisenbergs> yea. not the normal color graphic..
[08:35] <Jucato> !generic | akrus
[08:35] <ubotu> akrus: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[08:35] <surgy> "Local not supported by C library"
[08:35] <berkes> lol: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070125.html (read back for a bit of history)
[08:36] <akrus> ah lol
[08:36] <surgy> intelikey: im not THAT green anymore but please dont misslead me
[08:37] <akrus> 2.6.20-5 then ~_~
[08:37] <intelikey> surgy what does    echo $LC_ALL    say ?
[08:37] <akrus> lol mine says nothing
[08:38] <stdin> woo, I got remember line on alt-tab now =D
[08:38] <akrus> LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 :)
[08:38] <intelikey> sorry    echo $LANG
[08:38] <surgy> intelikey: yes that whould misslead me, but now i will know to always question you
[08:38] <akrus> 2.6.20-rc6 :o
[08:39] <surgy> intelikey: oh sorry missunderstood you
[08:39] <_4strO> yop yop
[08:39] <surgy> intelikey: it says nothing
[08:39] <akrus> locale -a
[08:39] <intelikey> well if LANG is not set then that's why the error.
[08:39] <surgy> intelikey: en_US.UTF-8
[08:40] <intelikey> export LANG=en_US
[08:40] <intelikey> and re run what ever errored out
[08:41] <surgy> intellikey: it was Savage, and it went ahead and installed it was a warning
[08:42] <intelikey> surgy to fix it add   LANG="en_US"   to /etc/environment
[08:43] <surgy> intelikey ok thnx
[08:43] <surgy> intelikey thats not a valid directory
[08:43] <intelikey> not a dir a file.
[08:44] <intelikey>  cat /etc/environment
[08:45] <surgy> intelikey: "
[08:45] <surgy> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
[08:45] <surgy> LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[08:45] <intelikey> then source it from /etc/profile
[08:46] <surgy> but it has Lang="en_US.UTF-8" allready
[08:46] <surgy> does that not mean its fixed?
[08:47] <surgy> intelikey: how do i source it? (by the way this is the error "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library")
[08:47] <intelikey> echo '. /etc/environment' | sudo tee -a /etc/profile
[08:48] <intelikey> it add this line                                                                                . /etc/environment
[08:48] <surgy> bash: cd: /etc/environment: Not a directory
[08:48] <surgy> yes
[08:48] <surgy> it added that
[08:49] <surgy> so how do i add to it?
[08:49] <intelikey> close konsole and reopen it
[08:49] <intelikey> did you run that string i posted ?
[08:49] <surgy> this?  echo '. /etc/environment' | sudo tee -a /etc/profile
[08:49] <intelikey> yes
[08:49] <surgy> yes i ran it and it added the line you said
[08:50] <intelikey> ok close the konsole
[08:50] <surgy> ok
[08:50] <intelikey> reopen it
[08:50] <surgy> yes master
[08:50] <surgy> it is done
[08:50] <intelikey> type#  echo $LANG
[08:51] <surgy> done
[08:51] <intelikey> it said ?
[08:51] <surgy> nothing
[08:51] <surgy> i typed "#  echo $LANG"
[08:51] <surgy> and nothing
[08:51] <intelikey> no not the #
[08:51] <stdin> heh :)
[08:51] <intelikey> that makes everything else a comment.
[08:52] <surgy> output == en_US.UTF-8
[08:52] <intelikey> ok.
[08:52] <surgy> duh i shouldve known that :)
[08:52] <intelikey> you're dismissed.
[08:52] <intelikey> (:
[08:52] <surgy> so its finished?
[08:52] <intelikey> yep
[08:53] <intelikey> fixed for all users
[08:53] <surgy> awsome
[08:54] <surgy> intelikey: when installing Savage i get "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library"
[08:55] <intelikey> might have to restart kde for it to read in the env...
[08:55] <surgy> so a end session wont work here huh?
[08:55] <surgy> gonna have to cntrl+alt+backspace ?
[08:55] <intelikey> yes it will
[08:55] <anything1> hi how do i check what's my user's group ?
[08:56] <surgy> ok
[08:56] <[StingRay] > Hi stdin.
[08:56] <intelikey> anything1 groups
[08:56] <stdin> anything1: in konsole you can do "id"
[08:56] <stdin> hey [StingRay]
[08:57] <stdin> [StingRay] : I'm happy today :)
[08:57] <intelikey> id is Ugly tho
[08:57] <[StingRay] > stdin, I don't know if this is a bug, but I just changed my hostname and now sudo -s returns: sudo: unable to lookup galia via gethostbyname()
[08:57] <[StingRay] > stdin, share it with me :)
[08:57] <[StingRay] > and the others, stdin ;)
[08:57] <stdin> [StingRay] : yeah, you normally have to restart after changing hostname
[08:57] <anything1> groups=100(users),44(video),1003(auditusers) means what?
[08:58] <anything1> i'm in group users, video and auditusers ?
[08:58] <[StingRay] > stdin, this is afte the restart :). I just lost root
[08:58] <intelikey> yep
[08:58] <akrus> hm
[08:58] <anything1> what the numbers mean?
[08:58] <akrus> okay I noticed the problem :)
[08:58] <stdin> [StingRay] : and I'm happy because: 1) KDE 3.5.6 is in feisty/main and 2) I got remember line on alt-tab on konversation now :)
[08:58] <intelikey> anything1 like i said    groups
[08:58] <surgy> intelikey: i ended my curent session logged back in and got this error when installing savage "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library"
[08:58] <anything1> the numbers meand the id of the group? or the number of pple in the group?
[08:59] <stdin> anything1: the GUD (Group ID)
[08:59] <stdin> *GID :P
[08:59] <anything1> ok how i add the user into a new group?
[08:59] <anything1> usermod ?
[08:59] <[StingRay] > stdin, sorry but I did not get 2)
[09:00] <stdin> [StingRay] : you ever use the feature in konversation where it inserts a "remember line" when you switch tabs (channels) to show activity you missed ?
[09:00] <[StingRay] > superb, stdin :)
[09:01] <stdin> anything1: you can do it in System Settings
[09:01] <stdin> [StingRay] : it's in the SVN version, it wasn't working, so I reported the bug, now it's fixed :)
[09:01] <[StingRay] > stdin, If I restart and the problem persists, is grub root console the only solution?
[09:01] <[StingRay] > gg, stdin
[09:02] <anything1> ok done
[09:02] <anything1> is this a immediate effect or must restart?
[09:02] <stdin> [StingRay] : check the hostname in /etc/hostname and in /etc/hosts to make sure they match first
[09:03] <intelikey> surgy id say.  "you have a bug."       you can try    sudo apt-get install language-pack-en-base    but it's probably already the newest version.
[09:03] <stdin> anything1: you'll need to logout and back in
[09:03] <surgy> intelikey: i did a full update last night doubtfull they updated the lang pack and savage sense then
[09:04] <intelikey> humour me.   sudo apt-get install language-pack-en-base
[09:04] <intelikey> then we'll know we covered all the bases
[09:04] <[StingRay] > stdin, in /etc/hosts the only hostname is "<IP_ADDRESS> hostname_different_than_the_one_in_/etc/hostname"
[09:05] <surgy> intelikey: here is psotinstall warnings: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2952/
[09:05] <stdin> [StingRay] : while I don't think it should make a difference, you could try changing it
[09:06] <stdin> surgy: have you tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" ?
[09:06] <[StingRay] > ok, stdin I will go for grub's root console, bye for now and happy celebrating ;)
[09:06] <surgy> stdin: doing so now
[09:07] <pgdown> so, is iceweasel optimized at all (say for 686) like swiftfox, or is the differnce only in name/logo/license?
[09:07] <anything1> ok
[09:07] <anything1> very cool
[09:07] <anything1> thx
[09:07] <egonw> moin, I read about compiz support in 3.5.6... how can I enable it?
[09:07] <stdin> iceweasel is the debian name for firefox
[09:08] <pgdown> right...but is there any other difference besides name/logo/license?
[09:08] <intelikey> surgy if that fixes it be sure and report that.  the updated packages should have update-locales in the scripts.
[09:08] <surgy> also when i try to run savage i get this:
[09:08] <surgy> surgy@surgy:~/Savage$ ./silverback.bin
[09:08] <surgy> System_Init()
[09:08] <surgy> surgy@surgy:~/Savage$
[09:08] <surgy> intelikey: everything was allready up to date
[09:08] <surgy> intelikey it didnt fix it
[09:09] <stdin> pgdown: no, it's just got some patches from debian in it
[09:09] <intelikey> didn't really think it would.   i'm calling bug on that one.
[09:09] <pgdown> ok
[09:09] <surgy> so no savage for me :(
[09:09] <surgy> BOOOO
[09:10] <surgy> well it acts like it is trying to start flashes the screen black and then gives me what i last said
[09:11] <anything1> what's the script that auto mount whenever i plug in usb thumb/ipod etc
[09:11] <surgy> anything1: you can use the disk/filesystem in system settings and click automount
[09:12] <guglielf> stdin: btw, I have several locales (en_*.UTF-8), do I need all of them?
[09:12] <surgy> by the way if anyone has problems getting there ipod 2.0 to mount and eject with amarok i figured it out
[09:13] <anything1> yess i having problem to connect to ipod using amarok
[09:13] <anything1> keep saying ipod lock or something
[09:13] <stdin> guglielf: not sure if you "need" them, but I have the same, think it's part of the en language pack
[09:13] <surgy> ok you have to set a mount point
[09:14] <surgy> and then go to amarok settings and add a new media device
[09:14] <surgy> then let it handle it as an apple ipod
[09:14] <guglielf> stdin: mmm ok :)
[09:14] <surgy> the "mount command" should be "mount [your mount point] "
[09:14] <stdin> surgy: nope
[09:14] <surgy> stdin: its working like that
[09:15] <stdin> surgy: should use pmount
[09:15] <surgy> stdin: how am i wrong?
[09:15] <anything1> ok wait back to basic first
[09:15] <surgy> why?
[09:15] <stdin> !pmount
[09:15] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[09:15] <anything1> now when i plug in my ipod.. it detects but doesn't mount for me..so what i would do is mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod
[09:15] <stdin> surgy: mount needs sudo, pmount doesn't
[09:15] <surgy> stdin: i mean the premount command from within amarok
[09:16] <surgy> stdin: not in amarok..... aparently, it doesnt fail as user
[09:16] <anything1> now i am in amarok..connect to ipod..it says..failed to create lockfile on ipod mounted at :/media/ipod..permission denied
[09:16] <stdin> because it's mounted as root
[09:17] <surgy> anything1: go to kde menu > system settings > advanced > disks and file systems
[09:17] <surgy> anything1: sign in as root and make sure the ipod is enabled
[09:17] <surgy> stdin: yes your right
[09:18] <surgy> anything1: you need to make sure in disk and filesystems that [user]  can enable disable ipod
[09:18] <weedar> Any ideas on when Feisty will be released?
[09:19] <surgy> stdin: tell me where im wrong and ill shut up......... you are right about the mount command but after you give permision to user then user can mount it
[09:19] <stdin> !feisty
[09:19] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[09:19] <weedar> thank you stdin
[09:19] <stdin> surgy: won't that add to fstab tho?
[09:19] <surgy> stdin: havnt checked, but i assume its the gui method of changed fstab
[09:20] <surgy> stdin: us noobs coming from windows like guis alot
[09:20] <surgy> changing*
[09:20] <intelikey> users can run mount because it is set u id root
[09:20] <Xerroz> has anyone managed to get DRI to work with the open source Radeon Drivers?
[09:21] <stdin> surgy: removable devices don't go in fstab, because the device (sda) could be assigned to another device, eg if you have a usb stick
[09:21] <intelikey> that's only of passing interest to most,  but if one runs a system with nosuid then no user can mount anything.
[09:22] <surgy> stdin: oh
[09:22] <anything1> damnit
[09:22] <guglielf> stdin: i've seen a lot of /etc/fstabs containing removable devices
[09:23] <anything1> i hate the disk/filesystem screen it don't refresh
[09:23] <stdin> guglielf: me too, but it's not good practise
[09:24] <intelikey> e.g. i have a cdrom mounted on hdd  observe:  eject /dev/hdd
[09:24] <intelikey> Error: this program needs to be installed suid root
[09:24] <intelikey> eject: unmount of `/mnt/cdrom' failed
[09:24] <surgy> well by defualt disk and file system mount ipod as vfat file system and no user access and no root access thats where all my problems came, i had to be sudo and change them to user
[09:25] <guglielf> stdin: so, what's the preferred way?
[09:25] <stdin> guglielf: mounting with pmount, that's what the KDE popup uses when you insert a a device
[09:26] <anything1> media device: ipod mounted at /media/ipod already locked! if you are sure this is an error, then remove the file /media/ipod/iPold_ControliTunes/iTunesLOock and tr yagain
[09:26] <surgy> ok but im having problems with the eject command
[09:26] <surgy> can i use umount?
[09:26] <stdin> surgy: with pmount ?
[09:27] <fowlduck> i had problems with eject when i umounted my cdrom today
[09:27] <fowlduck> had to reboot :/
[09:27] <stdin> mount with pmount, unmount with pumount
[09:27] <intelikey> guglielf i would "prefer" making a script for the device that has all the options in it.     sudo mount /dev/sda -o umask=0000 /media/something      and run the script with a click    but i'd also setup sudoers to allow mount/umount without password for the /media dir.    but then again i script everything.
[09:27] <anything1> how do u mount the device such that everyone can access instead of only root??
[09:27] <surgy> std: with mount
[09:28] <intelikey> P U mount    smell bad ?
[09:28] <guglielf> stdin: on the italian ubuntu-it forum there's plenty of people having problems mounting removable disks. Well, not always kde recognises these devices unfotunately :(
[09:28] <guglielf> *r
[09:28] <surgy> anything1: with disk filesysstem click on the drive in admin mode and look at permisions
[09:29] <stdin> guglielf: the /media and media:/ urls in konq use it too
[09:29] <anything1> what's the command?
[09:29] <guglielf> stdin: a newbie is pretty freighteend by scripting ;)
[09:29] <stdin> guglielf: I haven't mentioned any
[09:29] <sparr> in the kubuntu edgy installer, step 5 where you set up volumes and mount points (ala fstab)...  it only seems to show my first 8 volumes.  is that a known bug?
[09:30] <guglielf> stdin: sry :D it was meant for intelikey
[09:30] <Xerroz> has anyone managed to get DRI to work with the open source Radeon Drivers?
[09:31] <ForgeAus> DRI?
[09:31] <ForgeAus> !DRI
[09:32] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[09:32] <dropsl> hi
[09:32] <ForgeAus> hey dropsl :)
[09:33] <dropsl> since i updated to kde 3.5.6 my Alt-Gr key doesnt work anymore... so i cant produce at-symbols oder backslashes... may anyone help me :)
[09:35] <intelikey> ok that disk management app is that part of kcontrol ?
[09:35] <intelikey> or seperate ?
[09:36] <intelikey> i'm looking to have a look at it in dapper if it exists...   i started kde as root so i can see all features
[09:36] <pgdown> what's the name of the spell-checking package that firefox uses?
[09:37] <surgy> well good night
[09:37] <dropsl> intelikey: what app do you mean? perhabs qtparted (gparted)?
[09:37] <surgy> nice talking and thnc for help
[09:37] <dropsl> surgy: good night
[09:37] <intelikey> dropsl no the one they were discussing eariler
[09:38] <dropsl> intelikey: ok i was not here that time ;)
[09:39] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: you can import dictionary files from within firefox itself
[09:39] <pgdown> ok
[09:39] <intelikey> guglielf what is the address of the app you were looking in ?
[09:40] <guglielf> intelikey: me?
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> pgdown:  start firefox  go Edit-> Preferences   then click on the Advanced Icon
[09:40] <intelikey> yeah
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: now in the General section there should be a button bottom right Language,  click on that
[09:41] <pgdown> ok got it
[09:41] <pgdown> thanks
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: has choose on it
[09:41] <intelikey> is it  kmenu > system > periferials > media   ???
[09:41] <koli> hello people
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: you can also add languages
[09:41] <koli> !xgl
[09:41] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:41] <intelikey> that's part of kcontrol   was it a seperate app ?
[09:42] <guglielf> intelikey: well, i was not looking any app in fact :)
[09:42] <motey> Xerroz: I use ATI and it is neat and fast!
[09:42] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[09:43] <stdin> intelikey: might be in System > Partitions
[09:43] <intelikey> stdin might be but that's not part of dapper.
[09:43] <guglielf> intelikey: anyway, I don't have that menu (periferals under system)
[09:44] <stdin> intelikey: It's a part of system settings, so it should be in kcontrol
[09:44] <Linux_Galore> Im avoiding XGL and Compiz, nothing but misery
[09:44] <guglielf> uh, that's ok :)
[09:44] <intelikey> stdin ok.  that's what i wanted to know.
[09:44] <guglielf> intelikey: yes most probably I have it there
[09:46] <intelikey> guglielf ok thanks.
[09:47] <akrus> hm
[09:47] <intelikey> i'm looking into it now.
[09:47] <akrus> is there something like kfloppy?
[09:47] <akrus> mkdosfs returning an error xX_
[09:47] <akrus> x_X*
[09:47] <stdin> !kfloppy
[09:47] <ubotu> kfloppy: floppy formatter for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 95 kB, installed size 348 kB
[09:48] <akrus> lol I have it
[09:48] <akrus> but it's not working :)
[09:48] <akrus> mkdosfs: failed whilst writing reserved sector
[09:48] <stdin> was it running as root ?
[09:49] <akrus> both
[09:49] <akrus> all the same :)
[09:49] <stdin> hmm
[09:50] <stdin> I don't have a floppy drive, so I don't know
[09:51] <stdin> !kmformat
[09:51] <ubotu> kmformat: floppy and USB disk formatting tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~beta2-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 340 kB, installed size 468 kB
[09:51] <Erunno> Hi all. Just a question as I couldn't find an answer on the internet: Does anyone know why the german webmail service web.de doesn't work with Kontact ?
[09:51] <Erunno> Especially imap seems to be completely broken.
[09:55] <akrus> stdin: lol
[09:56] <akrus> it started
[09:56] <akrus> KMFormat for KDE 4
[09:56] <akrus> LOL!
[09:57] <akrus> lol found the better way
[09:57] <akrus> another empty diskette xD
[10:02] <sebbar> hi, about cnr: does this screenshot at http://www.cnr.com/screenshots.html mean that we'll be able to get (at least) the free cnr stuff through synaptic/adept?
[10:03] <akrus> sebbar: isn't it already working?
[10:03] <akrus> except the paid software
[10:04] <sebbar> akrus: what should be already working exactly? cnr for ubuntu isn't yet afaik
[10:04] <akrus> not for ubuntu
[10:04] <akrus> there was a guide with switching CNR->Synaptic for Freespire
[10:05] <akrus> hm, do you mean the last image?
[10:05] <sebbar> yes
[10:05] <akrus> hm...
[10:06] <akrus> CNR Plugin? o_O
[10:06] <akrus> looks like
[10:06] <akrus> yes
[10:06] <akrus> read the forums :)
[10:07] <akrus> there will add support of some distros
[10:07] <akrus> Ubuntu is included because of many Home Users :)
[10:08] <akrus> the only actual point I see is buying software via CNR
[10:11] <andreasw> hi
[10:11] <niels_> ubotu: adept crash fix | niels_
[10:11] <ubotu> niels_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:12] <sebbar> akrus: yes, and probably just for non tech users/people living in the us
[10:13] <akrus> I'm not living in US x_X
[10:14] <who5ein> tttt
[10:14] <who5ein> hi
[10:14] <MrWGW> umm actually
[10:14] <sebbar> I'm not either... well I was thinking about codecs and stuff like that...you probably wouldn't get them from cnr if they're legal in you r country and could get them for free elsewhere would you?
[10:14] <MrWGW> the point of buying software from CNR would be to do the right thing
[10:15] <MrWGW> although in the case of codecs, the situation is more...ambiguous
[10:15] <sebbar> :MrWGW why would buying sw from cnr be the right thing?
[10:15] <MrWGW> I maintain though that the FOSS community has to show people in the proprietary software world the same respect we want them to show us, by not pirating their stuff
[10:15] <MrWGW> (just as we ask them not to violate the terms of our FOSS licenses)
[10:16] <MrWGW> you treat people the way you want to be treated
[10:16] <MobsterLobster> hey what is the comand to configure X?
[10:16] <MrWGW> in the case of CNR, it makes buying proprietary software much easier, and so even if you're in a country where you could, with some degree of legality, download war3z via BitTorrent, I maintain that it would not be The Right Thing (tm)
[10:17] <MobsterLobster> CNR looks like a great idea it will help make linux popular and unify it
[10:17] <MrWGW> anyway, if Linux is to have any shot at taking down Windows, it needs to attract non-FOSS developers to port their killer apps to it
[10:17] <MrWGW> oh absolutely Mobster
[10:17] <MrWGW> btw, I LOVE your SN
[10:17] <Jucato> !offtopic
[10:17] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:17] <MobsterLobster> anyway i need the command to configure X plz
[10:18] <stdin> !xconfig
[10:18] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[10:20] <MobsterLobster> i get the response that xserver is broken or not fully installed is there a way to check wich it is?
[10:21] <stdin> I'd just do "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg" to be sure
[10:22] <akrus> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
[10:23] <akrus> maybe?
[10:24] <stdin> if the 1st command shows it's installed, then defiantly
[10:29] <anything> hi what's the command to check what dns i'm using?
[10:30] <helmut_> hi
[10:30] <anything> hi anyone knows?
[10:30] <mindspin> !msttcorefonts
[10:30] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[10:30] <anything> !dns
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <Jucato> anything: cat /etc/resovl.conf
[10:31] <Jucato> anything: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:31] <anything> cool
[10:31] <Jucato> anything: the second one...
[10:31] <anything> can i change it?
[10:31] <anything> how to restart it?
[10:31] <anything> after changes
[10:32] <anything> is the 2nd one primary?
[10:32] <Jucato> you can change it (use sudo or kdesu <text_editor>). no need to restart it. it reverts back to the original DNS after reboot
[10:32] <Jucato> anything: no. the first one is a typo :P
[10:32] <anything> ahhh haha..get it
[10:33] <anything> must i restart to take effect?
[10:33] <anything> there's nothing like /etc/init.d/dns restart ?
[10:33] <Jucato> no, no need to restart
[10:34] <mindspin> bind
[10:35] <anything> ok
[10:35] <max_> hi
[10:36] <max_> i've installed again KUBUNTU but this time with apt-cache search i can't find the italian package for kde and panels
[10:36] <max_> what's the problem?
[10:36] <Jucato> !it
[10:36] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:36] <Jucato> max_: you could ask those guys which packages are for -it
[10:36] <max_> ok
[10:36] <max_> thanks
[10:42] <MobsterLobster> when configuring X i get to a question asking for my default color depth in bits I select 24 (the defualt) but when i select ok the program quits saying i am overwriting a config file. am i finished configing or have i got a error?
[10:44] <MobsterLobster> plz i need help coz i need X
[10:46] <Jucato> you are finished
[10:46] <Jucato> that's the last part of the configuration, and you *are* overwriting the config (xorg.conf) file
[10:47] <MobsterLobster> so "startx" should wor?
[10:47] <Jucato> it should...
[10:47] <Jucato> depends on what your problem was earlier
[10:49] <MobsterLobster> well i uninstalled my 3d drivers which broke X
[10:49] <mindspin> ! tell me about commercial
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <MobsterLobster> i figured out i was finished i just needed to Sudo startx but it loaded xfce not kde :(
[10:50] <Jucato> O.o
[10:50] <Jucato> you don't need sudo for startx
[10:50] <Erunno> Has anyone else using the german webmail provider web.de with Kontact ? It won't accept my authentification using imap.
[10:51] <MobsterLobster> ohh well its working now thats the main thing
[10:52] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: next time, you could use "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" instead of plain startx
[10:54] <genii> Wow, seems quiet today :)
[10:55] <Saree> is there a channel operator here?can u kick MobsterLobster? it is my nick i was just on with it but needed to switch comps. i got X working on this 1
[10:56] <matt0507> !pi
[10:56] <ubotu> pi: Compute Archimedes' constant Pi to arbitrary precision. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.11-1 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 56 kB
[10:56] <animimotus> erf, I have lost all my mail in kmail
[10:56] <Saree> i turned off the comp it was logged of with so it shouldnt be there
[10:56] <Saree> *on
[10:58] <Saree> is there anybody here who can even kick my Mobster?
[10:59] <Saree> jucato u can verify im mobster u just helped me with X problems
[11:00] <sorush20> where are the kde headers ?
[11:00] <Saree> !nvidia
[11:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:06] <genii> Saree if that nick was registered you can just take it over by using the nickserv command to identify yourself
[11:07] <genii> Otherwise after a while it will just time out anyways
[11:07] <saree> so what do i type?
[11:07] <genii> !nickserv
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickserv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <genii> bah
[11:07] <saree> do u mean the nick serve thing?
[11:07] <saree> how do i get it to do it for mobsterlobster not saree
[11:08] <genii> something to the effect of /msg nickserv identify <password> but the command might be ghost instead of identify
[11:08] <Jucato> saree: is the MobsterLobster nick registered?
[11:08] <saree> yes
[11:08] <saree> yes Jucato
[11:08] <saree> saree is not
[11:08] <Jucato> saree: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[11:09] <sorush20> are there any syntax highlighted consoles / terminal / bash?
[11:10] <MobsterLobster> kool it worked
[11:10] <MobsterLobster> thx
[11:11] <ForgeAus> can you add cnr into kubuntu? or does it have to be freespire?
[11:12] <sorush20> is there any way that I could have world clock on my desktop ?
[11:13] <Jucato> try looking for a superkaramba theme
[11:13] <Jucato> then there's also kworldclock
[11:14] <genii> I'm pretty sure you need linspire/freespire for that
[11:14] <ForgeAus> theres also a kworldclock
[11:14] <Jucato> for what?
[11:14] <ForgeAus> cnr
[11:14] <ForgeAus> I got a freespire LiveCD
[11:14] <Jucato> genii: well, yes and no... http://cnr.com
[11:16] <genii> Interesting, it says deb is supported. On the main linspire cnr site they don't specify what package types etc
[11:16] <gnondpom> Pour tlcharger FightClub http://sunboard.free.fr/fightclub/
[11:16] <gnondpom> For Download  FightClub http://sunboard.free.fr/fightclub/
[11:16] <Erunno> How do I turn off the transparancy in the file selection rectangle ? It's to CPU consuming for my old notebook.
[11:16] <genii> But it looks like that site isn't fully operational yet, may be vapourware
[11:17] <Jucato> genii: it was just announced/started a few days ago. and yet it's vaporware already?
[11:18] <MobsterLobster> !xgl
[11:18] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:18] <genii> Jucato Well, no files yet :)
[11:18] <Jucato> genii: yeah. it's not supposed to have files yet. there's no client yet anyway
[11:18] <MobsterLobster> im just starting to realize3 why people said that feisty isnt stable
[11:19] <genii> Jucato I'm looking into whether a debian frontend exists yet
[11:19] <Jucato> Erunno: System Settings -> Appeaance -> Style -> Effect tab
[11:19] <Jucato> genii: they don't have plans to  support Debian yet, afaik
[11:19] <Jucato> er sorry
[11:19] <Jucato> was thinking of something else lol
[11:20] <MobsterLobster> is anybody else that is using feisty finding it unstable?
[11:21] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: um.. it's in alpha stage :)
[11:21] <MobsterLobster> i know but i have been using it for a month and am only now finding it unstable
[11:22] <Jucato> development releases only become really stable towards the end of development
[11:23] <genii> Yeah I like to wait until there is at least a release candidate version anyhow
[11:23] <jack> .
[11:23] <MobsterLobster> ok ohh well after today im not touching this computer till april
[11:23] <MobsterLobster> have school to deal with
[11:24] <Contrast> Can anyone here help me with a very strange Konqueror problem? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522879
[11:27] <matt0507> how do i auto sync my clock time to a time server?
[11:27] <matt0507> the computer's clock that is ^^
[11:27] <noiesmo> !ntp
[11:27] <ubotu> ntp: Network Time Protocol: network utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.0a+stable-9ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 256 kB, installed size 464 kB
[11:27] <stdin> matt0507: sudo ntpdate [timeserver]
[11:28] <Contrast> matt0507:, right-click on the clock, Configure, Timezones.
[11:28] <Contrast> I think.
[11:28] <matt0507> ty will give it a try
[11:29] <berkes> Contrast: this problem of yours has to do with a strange selection/click configuration you have chosen, AFIKS
[11:29] <berkes> AFAIKS
[11:29] <Contrast> ubotu's way sounds like it'd be worth a shot if mine is incorrect.
[11:29] <matt0507> what timeserver should i use? i live in qld australia
[11:30] <stdin> maybe oceania.pool.ntp.org
[11:31] <intelikey> set
[11:31] <matt0507> thanks :)
[11:31] <Contrast> berkes:, that's what I was thinking too (assuming we're on the same page - my selecting and clicking of files/folders is completely unaffected, it's only that visibility of what I'm selecting while using the keyboard is nonexistant)...
[11:31] <Contrast> berkes:, but if it had something to do with a settings option that I changed, wouldn't it have been corrected when I reset everything to the defaults?
[11:32] <genii> Hmm freespire works with synaptic. I wonder what the default package type is
[11:32] <berkes> Contrast: try settings:/Peripherals/
[11:33] <berkes> then mouse, then fiddle a little with the 'selection settings' (I have a Dutch locale, so don't know the en terms)
[11:33] <Jucato> genii: *spire is Debian-based iirc
[11:34] <Contrast> Ok, thanks, berkes.
[11:34] <MobsterLobster> so who is looking forward to CNR?
[11:35] <Jucato> !offtopic
[11:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:35] <Jucato> :)
[11:35] <MobsterLobster> o
[11:36] <intelikey> hmmm i was going to say something when i came in.... i guess it wasn't important...
[11:37] <genii> Looks like a cnr client won't be widely available till release of freespire 2
[11:38] <animimotus> with de 3.5.6 maj for kde I have lost my mails and all my notes in basket, and you ? many other problems ?
[11:38] <intelikey> well i wrote a new script,  i needed a way to see what files in one dir were not in another.   anyone have a real simple solution for that ?
[11:38] <Contrast> Hah! Beautiful. I got it in the settings for the mouse. Thanks a lot, berkes.
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> kubuntu to the max -> http://users.tpg.com.au/abdserv6/serenity1.png
[11:40] <Contrast> berkes:, still there?
[11:41] <berkes> yup
[11:41] <Contrast> berkes:, just wanted to say thanks. That saved me a ton of frustration.
[11:42] <Contrast> Now I just need to figure out how to set Konqueror so that Tree is the default view mode every time I open the program and I'll be set.
[11:44] <Jucato> Contrast: after setting it to Tree view, Settings -> Save View Profile
[11:44] <Contrast> I've tried that. It still opens with Icons as the view mode.
[11:44] <genii> Interesting, freespire source code comes on it's own ISO. I was gonna browse the tree and see where the cnr client is but looks to be a pita right now
[11:45] <Contrast> Ohh, nevermind. I was saving it as the profile for the file manager.
[11:45] <Contrast> Jucato:, thanks.
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> genii: why bother, PCBSD has a far nicer method
[11:46] <berkes> Contrast: no prob.
[11:46] <genii> Linux_Galore: Well, someone asked about it earlier then I got looking into it, and it seems to be a usable system for most ppl. Uses the Synaptic as well so not much difference on the front end side
[11:47] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nls -1 $1 > blah1 \nls -1 $2 > blah2 \n\ndiff blah1 blah2 \nrm blah?' >> compare-dirs.sh ;chmod 755 compare-dirs.sh
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> genii: PCBSD uses a normal web browser and some clever scripts, just go to the website and click on what you want to install, its thats simple
[11:48] <genii> Interesting, is there some firefox plugin or extension for it yet?
[11:48] <Linux_Galore> genii: no its a simple file association
[11:49] <Linux_Galore> genii: the browser is just the trigger
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> genii: the complexity of the whole process is really well hidden
[11:50] <genii> I like the bsd ports system but it looks like this is the package manager part. ports are better because you actually make it each time from source which I like
[11:51] <Contrast> I read somewhere that compiling from source all the time can be bad for your hardware.  Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:56] <Contrast> genii:, so it's best not to try and use applications while you're compiling?
[11:56] <Contrast> I mean, even if your system shows no noticeable slowdown while doing so?
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> genii: well to me installing software should be, open browser, click on get more software bookmark, browse pretty web pages with software info, click on install me icon on webpage. wait for download to finnish, click on ok when it queries the install
[11:57] <genii> Contrast Well, mostly that is fine. Only when you are perhaps trying to compile a program that you are running it may get to be an issue. On freebsd for instance I had to regularly recompile the postfix mail system. But it has to be stopped from running manually before recompiling or it gets weird issues
[11:58] <dante> #kubuntu-fr
[11:58] <dante> oups
[11:58] <Contrast> genii, oh, ok. Thanks for the info.
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> the laugh is what I just said is 100% possible but no one has done it in Linux yet
[11:59] <Contrast> Excuse my ignorance, but this PCBSD program installation interface you're talking about, I'm assuming it's freeBSD-only?
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> and people would happily "pay for it"
[12:00] <genii> Linux_Galore: Someone should just lift the source for the extensions part of mozilla and transplant it in
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: no PCBSD is a desktop distro of BSD with easy to use functionality
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: also you dont see any "interface"
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: users dont need to to "any interface"  all they need is an OK/CANCEL option
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> to see*
[12:02] <Contrast> Well, that's what I meant by an interface. Guess I was using the term too loosely.
[12:02] <adi> :)
[12:02] <genii> Linux_Galore: How does un-installing work? some localhost cgi deal?
[12:02] <adi> just checking new Irc client:)
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> genii: simple add remove thing
[12:03] <genii> adi It works :)
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> very few people remove software unless it doesn't work
[12:03] <waylandbill> "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." cute.
[12:04] <adi> isn't in wonderfuul :D
[12:04] <adi> hm...  I Haven't uaseing english for a year, be patient please:P
[12:05] <adi> *useing
[12:05] <adi> Have a nice day... see You soon.
[12:05] <adi> I have to back to work:-)
[12:07] <genii> Almost all types of command interfaces are going towards web. Platform independant is good. Started with routers and so on. After a while everything you need to control will just have some xml or similar module to load up in a browser
[12:08] <stdin> time for some food and a coffee before I record the audio for my screencast, back soon
[12:09] <genii> stdin Have fun :)
[12:09] <stdin> audacity is gonna play up again, I can just feel it :P
[12:10] <genii> LOL
[12:11] <frojnd> whats the page for (ku)buntu upgrades, what are they upgrading?
[12:11] <waylandbill> :-)
[12:11] <frojnd> where is the list of all processes
[12:14] <waylandbill> I learned something new.. 'apt-get moo'
[12:14] <waylandbill> hehe
[12:15] <genii> waylandbill sort of like little easter eggs
[12:16] <waylandbill> yes.
[12:16] <Contrast> haha
[12:16] <Contrast> nice. thanks for sharing, waylandbill
[12:17] <genii> frojnd I'm not sure there is a web page listing something like upgrades. Normally you would be doing a distribution upgrade from Dapper to Edgy for instance. Occasionally there are smaller upgrades like specific programs. But likely any changes would be minor.
[12:17] <waylandbill> for ascii, it's not bad looking either. lol
[12:19] <frojnd> No, there is officially page where is shown with what are they dealing and what is finished..
[12:21] <waylandbill> nice.. another one... go in vim and ask for help on 42 (:help 42)
[12:23] <genii> frojnd the only official page i know of for this is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes but it is not for specific smaller applications, only overall distributions
[12:27] <frojnd> genii: I found it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.04
[12:27] <bluechip> anyone know of a pre compiled C compiler that i can download ?
[12:28] <stdin> a pre compiled C compiler
[12:29] <stdin> how can you compile a C compiler without a C compiler ?
[12:29] <genii> gcc comes to mind but I think he means a gui editor-type application
[12:30] <fuel> Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108. i get this error always when doing sudo apt* any ideas?
[12:30] <waylandbill> that would be an ide
[12:30] <bluechip> i was refering a C compiler that i can install some how without haveing a C compiler
[12:30] <waylandbill> bluechip: just install gcc binary package
[12:30] <stdin> bluechip: just install build-essential
[12:30] <waylandbill> build-essential is a great start
[12:31] <max__> ciao
[12:31] <bluechip> when it tried that i got package not avalible
[12:31] <max__> non capisco...
[12:31] <genii> bluechip To compile on (k)ubuntu all you need is the package build-essential    this is the backend for making C programs
[12:31] <max__> ho scaricato tutti i pacchetti di lingua italiana ma i pannelli sono ancora in inglese
[12:31] <max__> e ho riavviato anche
[12:32] <waylandbill> compiling a C compiler doesn't need a C compiler.. assembly would do just fine. :-)
[12:33] <stdin> heh
[12:33] <stdin> I was just making a tongue twister
[12:33] <waylandbill> I know
[12:33] <bluechip> i tried to get it by typeing sudo apt-get install build-essential but i get package not avalibel :S
[12:33] <ForgeAus> lol besides your right
[12:34] <ForgeAus> you can assemble or compile or interpret a c compiler in just about any language...
[12:34] <genii> bluechip Have you done first a    sudo apt-get update          ?
[12:34] <bluechip> Couldent find package-build essential to be precised
[12:34] <ForgeAus> well maybe not most 4gls
[12:34] <stdin> bluechip: check your sources, I think you have them disabled
[12:34] <ForgeAus> (perhaps some 3 or 2gls even) but in general...
[12:34] <bluechip> yes i did that
[12:35] <genii> stdin shouldn't build-essential be in main or so??
[12:35] <genii> !info build-essential
[12:35] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[12:35] <stdin> genii: yep, but you know after an install witout net, sources can get disabled
[12:35] <stdin> genii: (all of them)
[12:36] <quique> Hi,
[12:36] <matt0507> i've install java but firefox is not recognise plugins, can someone please help.
[12:36] <quique> will packaged of KDE 3.5.6 be uploaded for Dapper ?
[12:37] <stdin> matt0507: do you have sun-java5-plugin too ?
[12:37] <Contrast> Thanks again for the help. I'm off.
[12:38] <stdin> quique: maybe, but 3.5.6 is still being tested for now, you could ask in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1
[12:38] <fuel> matt0507 : you have to link
[12:38] <genii> bluechip Well, there is a sample sources.list somewhere in the doc tree. Right now I'm on a windoze box so couldn't tell you the exact path. but if you do a:  sudo updatedb && locate sources.list  it should show you where. then just copy that to the /etc/apt/ directory and edit it if neccesary.
[12:38] <fuel> the library to your firefox folder
[12:38] <matt0507> right forgot about that >< im instalilng the plugin from adept now guys, thanks.
[12:38] <stdin> :)
[12:38] <matt0507> that should have came with jr5 package but i didnt know it wasnt included..
[12:38] <genii> bluechip then of course re-run  sudo apt-get update   then try to install what you need
[12:39] <stdin> the plugin isn't in the jre package
[12:39] <stdin> bluechip: there is also the source-o-matic site
[12:40] <fuel> matt0507: first open your ~/.mozilla folder
[12:40] <fuel> then open plugins folder.....
[12:40] <stdin> fuel: he didn't have the package installed
[12:40] <quique> stdin: thank you, i'll ask there
[12:40] <matt0507> fuel thanks, it is running now :) got plugin from adept
[12:40] <fuel> ok
[12:41] <fuel> stdin : do you know the fix for mount problem in kubuntu ?
[12:42] <stdin> fuel: what problem ?
[12:42] <fuel> well if you log off and relogin again.......the partitions donot mount
[12:42] <larson9999> errr, where did the gui for change file associations go in edgy?
[12:42] <fuel> i think its the bug 58552
[12:45] <stdin> fuel: are these partitions in fstab ?
[12:45] <fuel> yeah they are there......
[12:45] <stdin> fuel: and they are automounted at boot, or by the user ?
[12:46] <fuel> they are automounted at boot.....all configured properly.....
[12:46] <fuel> i dont mount my partitions manually....
[12:47] <stdin> is it all the partition that get unmounted?
[12:47] <genii> you could add a line like "mount -a" to your startx file
[12:47] <elsers> hello!
[12:48] <fuel> no only my root directory is mounted... all other drives fail to load....
[12:48] <larson9999> geeze, it's in kcontrol which isn't the default settings manager.  i'll say it again, not having kcontrol be the default settings manager is DUMB
[12:48] <fuel> genii: i dont have the problem while booting for the first time........only when i relogin or terminate my x session and try getting in again
[12:49] <stdin> that in 6.06?
[12:50] <genii> fuel The "startx" file or "xsession" file in your home directory will run whatever application names you put in there every time your desktop loads. so if you put the command "mount -a" in there somewhere it will just enforce remounting all stuff in fstab whenever your desktop loads
[12:51] <fuel> ok done
[12:51] <Tururu> hi
[12:52] <fuel> ok another question........ i need to remove this silent splash.....
[12:52] <fuel> ' /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda7 ro quiet splash '
[12:53] <genii> just take out "quiet"
[12:53] <fuel> ok
[12:54] <genii> The you'll see the progress like in former versions
[12:54] <Tururu> i'm gettin mad with sane i need some hint someone could help me please?
[12:56] <genii> Tururu Please type in konsole: scanimage -L and tell me if it reports a scanner
[12:56] <HymnToLife> Tururu, just ask your question, we'll help if we can
[12:57] <Tururu> i've already check sane-find-scanner and scanimage  the first tool recognize my scanner the second one no
[12:57] <Tururu> i tryed to set debug variables as in the man pages
[12:57] <Tururu> and get this...
[12:58] <HymnToLife> Tururu, what if you run scanimage -L with sudo ?
[12:58] <Tururu> the same
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  sane_init: Trying to find USB device 3f0 701 ...
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  attach:
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  attach: opening libusb:004:004
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  attach: open failed (Invalid argument)
[12:58] <HymnToLife> are you sure your scanner is supported ?
[12:58] <Tururu> yes of course i've checked is fully supported
[12:59] <genii> Yes, usually it is a privelege issue using the device. I've had to make symlinks in /dev to the actual device to scan as non-root
[12:59] <Tururu> i fear is something related with usbfs support
[12:59] <HymnToLife> genii, why bother ? Just change the permissions to the device in /proc
[01:00] <HymnToLife> Tururu, have you tried running sane-find-scanner and then scanimage -L both with sudo ?
[01:00] <genii> HymToLife This is on a *bsd box
[01:01] <andreasw> hi is it possible to change the default sorting behaviour of kmail so that emails are on the top. I know that I can change that for every single folder but I have imap and there are a lot of folders and its just annoying
[01:01] <HymnToLife> genii, I'm on BSD too
[01:01] <HymnToLife> the device is not in /proc then but no symlink needed either
[01:01] <HymnToLife> just change the perms
[01:02] <Tururu> yes
[01:02] <Tururu> same result
[01:03] <eeos> hi everybody.
[01:03] <eeos> does anyone know how to run argouml on kubuntu? the package doew not appear to be there.
[01:05] <andreasw> eeos: this is a java application isn't it?
[01:05] <andreasw> eeos: just download the jar file and run it
[01:05] <eeos> andreasw yes, but it would be nice to have it packaged so that all the users on a system can use it.
[01:05] <andreasw> eeos: 'java -jar argouml.jar
[01:05] <waylandbill> eeos: it's just a jar. download use java to run it.
[01:06] <andreasw> eeos: well you can also do that even without any package
[01:06] <andreasw> eeos: copy it in a global directory like /opt or /usr/local than make a sh script which executes java -jar argouml.jar
[01:06] <eeos> andreasw have you ever tried to update a network of computers where all the comuters have packages installed outside the pacakge manager?
[01:07] <andreasw> eeos: make it executable and copy it to a global bin dir
[01:07] <genii> Tururu Have you tried on different usb port?
[01:07] <andreasw> eeos: you have just ask how to install not how to create a package ^^
[01:07] <andreasw> eeos: asked
[01:08] <eeos> andreasw you are right! :P
[01:08] <waylandbill> eeos: put binaries on a common network file system. ;-)
[01:10] <eeos> andreasw waylandbill also there are tons of dependencies. I would really prefer to pacake it. even if there is a package for it in debian unstable (just discovered it!)
[01:10] <andreasw> eeos: only one sun-java5-jre
[01:10] <andreasw> eeos: if you make it easy or maybe it will also work with gcj
[01:11] <andreasw> eeos: than create your own for a single file it is not so bad to make one
[01:11] <waylandbill> eeos: use caution ... using sid is risky to start with. using sid packages not under debian is also risky.
[01:11] <crube> Is there a good program I can use to defragment my HD? ( If I ever even need to)
[01:11] <waylandbill> checkinstall will create a deb for you.
[01:12] <eeos> andreasw waylandbill used checkintsall in the past was pretty good.
[01:12] <andreasw> yes but checkinstall only works with an install script I think
[01:12] <andreasw> eeos: http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html
[01:12] <eeos> waylandbill andreasw could you please point to a place where there is simple documentation o how to package by hand, that is without using checkinstall?
[01:12] <waylandbill> yeah... checkinstall is make for automake type stuff.
[01:13] <eeos> andreasw thanks for mind reading! :)
[01:13] <waylandbill> s/make/made/
[01:13] <stdin> anyone using audacity 1.2.6 ?
[01:16] <eeos> andreasw waylandbill we have teh same problem with DB4Designer for example
[01:16] <eeos> waylandbill andreasw do you know of a packaged alternative?
[01:17] <crube> Is there a good guide somewhere on how to install codecs and other media file support like mp3?
[01:17] <ciaoo> hi all
[01:17] <Jucato> !codecs | crube
[01:17] <ubotu> crube: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:17] <waylandbill> !RestrictedFormats
[01:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:18] <ciaoo> can someone tell me if my pinnacle pctv 60e works und ubuntu? I wrote lsusb in console and it shows Bus 005 Device 003: ID 2304:0216 Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex
[01:18] <waylandbill> eeos: never used db4designer, sorry.
[01:18] <ady33> Hi could someone tell me how to add a news account to Kontact. I can see how to add a mail account but not anywhere to enter details for newsgropus??. tnx
[01:19] <crube> I already found the RestrictedFormats page, but I wasn't able to install the codecs the way it was said there. I activated multiverse and universe repositories, but it didn't find the gstreamer codecs I needed.
[01:20] <crube> Ok it wasn't able to find one of them, so I choose not to install it :)
[01:20] <Jucato> crube: 1) you don't need gstreamer, because most of the apps on KDE/Kubuntu use Xine, so you'll need libxine-extracodecs only
[01:20] <crube> Alright. I'll try that
[01:20] <Jucato> crube: 2) you might not have enabled/added the correct multiverse
[01:21] <ana12345> Kernel panic-not syncing: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[01:21] <genii> !pastebin Tururu
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin Tururu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <ana12345> I can not start linux help pls
[01:21] <waylandbill> alternatively, if you use Amarok, it can install them for you as well.
[01:21] <genii> !pastebin | Tururu
[01:21] <ubotu> Tururu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:22] <waylandbill> the first time you try to play an mp3 in it of course.
[01:22] <crube> Jucato: Well I didnt add anything, I just enabled them like it said in the guide (I try to do everything just as it's said in guides just to make sure I dont mess everything up :D )
[01:22] <Jucato> !multiverse | crube
[01:22] <ubotu> crube: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:22] <Jucato> crube: try that guide to add multiverse
[01:22] <crube> Jucato:  Alright thanks.
[01:24] <ana12345> Anayone can help me pls?
[01:24] <ana12345> Kernel panic-not syncing: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[01:25] <genii> Messes up initrd file
[01:25] <ForgeAus> um upgrading the KDE in kubuntu? u what happens there? ie is kde-core a metapackage?
[01:26] <genii> ana12345 There is a file in /boot directory called initrd.gz which has become corrupted
[01:26] <stdin> ForgeAus: yes it's a metapackage, and why do you have it ?
[01:26] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes, kde-core is a metapackage.
[01:28] <ForgeAus> no I have kubuntu-desktop which is basically the replacement for kde-core right?
[01:28] <stdin> yeah
[01:29] <ForgeAus> ie kubuntu-desktop is kde-core for ubuntu
[01:29] <ForgeAus> basically? or exactly?
[01:29] <stdin> not exactly
[01:29] <ForgeAus> (kubuntu-desktop includes some gfx/theming stuff I know that...
[01:29] <ForgeAus> that I don't expect to be in kde-core)
[01:29] <ciaoo> who can tell me if a pinnacle pctv 60e works under kubuntu?
[01:29] <ana12345> yes was upgrading
[01:30] <stdin> kubuntu is everything needed for kubuntu, not just the core of kde
[01:30] <stdin> *kubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <ana12345> genii what can I do? thx
[01:30] <ForgeAus> stdin you mean more (forgive the confusion with the word core but.. ) core-os stuff than just the kde desktop?
[01:31] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that installs everything necessary for a **default Kubuntu** installation.
[01:31] <genii> ana12345 Are you using right now a livecd?
[01:31] <ForgeAus> this time I have managed not to remove kubuntu-desktop metapackage :) which is a real + and somehow I managed to get a free crossover office!
[01:31] <Jucato> it does not install kde-core, but rather it installs separate packages
[01:32] <ana12345> yes knopix 3.3
[01:32] <stdin> kde-core is just the core components of kde, kubuntu-desktop is that and more
[01:32] <ForgeAus> sofar it doesn't seem any different to wine just a few fancy gui extras
[01:32] <ForgeAus> (as far as I was aware crossover office isn't meant to be free)
[01:32] <ana12345> genii how can I copy the text that u write me ( I am using the x-chat)
[01:32] <waylandbill> kde-core is minimal, kde is all official modules, and kubuntu-dekstop is the entire set of kubuntu packages.
[01:33] <ForgeAus> wayland including the linux kernel?
[01:33] <andreasw> but I never understood why in kubuntu there is another console font than in ubuntu
[01:33] <genii> ana12345 You can use the mouse to highlight the words, then right-click and choose "copy" then later in an editor right-click and "paste"
[01:34] <stdin> ForgeAus: no, that's in linux-image.... package
[01:34] <andreasw> in ubuntu german umlaute work like  in the console under kubuntu they don't ^^
[01:34] <ForgeAus> I like kubuntu's konsole font if thats the one you mean
[01:34] <ana12345> i tried that but gives me a menu without option for copy
[01:34] <ana12345> anyway
[01:34] <ana12345> go futher pls
[01:34] <waylandbill> no. it doesn't include the kernel. It includes just about everything else though.
[01:35] <ForgeAus> stdin, sorry if I don't understand this but someone said everythign you need to get a default kubuntu working, woudln't a kernel be required to get a kubuntu desktop working?
[01:35] <andreasw> ForgeAus: well I mean the real console which you get to with ctrl + alt + f1
[01:35] <ana12345> genii yes I am using knopix how can I sort it out
[01:35] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop will include the kernel. but kde-core won't
[01:35] <ForgeAus> also for debian does it have a default window manager? does it even boot into X-windows? or just text-mode with a default install of say... sarge?
[01:35] <stdin> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on the kernel, but it depends on other things that depends on the kernel
[01:36] <solemnwarning> Does kubuntu do ALSA software mixing by default?
[01:36] <ForgeAus> stdin thats part of it being a metapackage I guess
[01:36] <waylandbill> etch. not sarge.
[01:36] <andreasw> ForgeAus: if you selected a desktop environment it will install it otherwise you will just have text mode
[01:37] <ForgeAus> andre? what about if you go with defaults?
[01:37] <ForgeAus> or does it force you to choose one?
[01:37] <andreasw> ForgeAus: select ;) damn english grammar ^^
[01:37] <andreasw> ForgeAus: The default is gnome
[01:37] <ForgeAus> wayland, sure etch will do
[01:38] <waylandbill> debian doesn't force you to choose a desktop. it doesn't install it unless you ask it to
[01:38] <stdin> debian has not default desktop
[01:38] <ForgeAus> ok so whats the difference between debian + kde and kubuntu?
[01:38] <genii> ana12345 Do you know the partition name that the root filesystem was on? eg: hda1 or like that
[01:38] <andreasw> stdin: well it has ;)
[01:38] <solemnwarning> ForgeAus: Debian is stable
[01:38] <ForgeAus> rofl solemn :)
[01:38] <andreasw> stdin: If you don't deselect anything in the new installer you will get a gnome installed
[01:38] <waylandbill> ubuntu is african for: "I can't configure debian" ;-)
[01:38] <solemnwarning> There's a reason us Debian users like "out of date" software, it never breaks :)
[01:38] <stdin> ForgeAus: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, and Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it's had patches and modifications, as has KDE
[01:38] <ForgeAus> rofl wayland :)
[01:39] <andreasw> stdin: but I always deselect Desktop System in tasksel and install kde later
[01:39] <waylandbill> I heard that on the radio once.
[01:39] <andreasw> Kubuntu = Ubuntu - Gnome + KDE
[01:39] <ForgeAus> andrea, I suspect thats not entirely true
[01:39] <andreasw> +s ;)
[01:39] <ForgeAus> gnome apps work in kubuntu without installing lotsa gnome stuff...
[01:39] <solemnwarning> I'm thinking about shoving kubuntu on my mums machine since random crap keeps triggering memory leaks or freezing the machine, does it do software mixing by default?
[01:40] <ForgeAus> so its not entirely -gnome... it probably has what a minimal gnome?
[01:40] <stdin> ForgeAus: you need to install all the GTK stuff
[01:40] <waylandbill> kubuntu is ubuntu without the gnome-desktop virtual package but the kubuntu-desktop one instead.
[01:40] <andreasw> yes and gtk is not gnome
[01:40] <andreasw> ;)
[01:40] <stdin> ForgeAus: Kubuntu has no Gnome parts installed
[01:40] <ForgeAus> so kde uses gtk as well as gnome?
[01:40] <stdin> ForgeAus: KDE used Qt
[01:40] <Jucato> actually it's the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[01:40] <genii> ana12345 Do you know the partition name that the root filesystem was on? eg: hda1 or like that
[01:41] <TheGateKeeper> ForgeAus, gtk is the main lib that gnome uses
[01:41] <ForgeAus> yeah Jucato lotsa gnome stuff in the ubuntu-desktop metapackage as one would guess... (or at least I did)
[01:41] <andreasw> ForgeAus: OO.org uses GTK as far as I know so there is gtk already installed even in kubuntu
[01:41] <intelikey> hey i was just wondering if anyone here was sharp enough to help me setup k3b so i could play with it.     problem is the box is nosuid  so sudo/kdesu is useless
[01:41] <intelikey> ?
[01:41] <ForgeAus> so kubuntu has gtk but not gnome?
[01:41] <andreasw> If they changed it to koffice there would be no more need for gtk
[01:41] <andreasw> ForgeAus: yes
[01:41] <waylandbill> KDE uses Qt libraries, but that doesn't mean you can't install apps that use Gtk packages.
[01:42] <solemnwarning> Anyone?
[01:42] <andreasw> solemnwarning: the sound servers can provide software mixing
[01:42] <TheGateKeeper> ForgeAus, gnome is the 'desktop' gtk is the library that it uses to create that desktop
[01:42] <andreasw> solemnwarning: but it is not so good like under windows in my opinion
[01:42] <LameBMX> andreasw, i doubt oo.org is the only thing dependant on gtk .. and even if it were on the3 install cd .. they will need gtk in the near future for something
[01:43] <LameBMX> like gaim or whatnot
[01:43] <ForgeAus> ok my next question apps like vmware use a seemingly standardized-like open file/etc dialog...  but it seems to look like its one out of thunar....
[01:43] <andreasw> LameBMX: gaim isn't included in kubuntu
[01:43] <solemnwarning> I have no idea about setting it up, I've always bought decent cards and used hardware mixing
[01:43] <ForgeAus> ok so thats a GTK app I know that much...
[01:43] <andreasw> LameBMX: I think oo.org is the only GTK app which is included in the default kubuntu installation
[01:43] <ForgeAus> yes thats true gaim isn't in kubuntu-desktop but is in ubuntu-desktop
[01:43] <ForgeAus> (same with rhythmbox and um... nautilus
[01:43] <Teh_Roxor> Isn't Firefox included?
[01:43] <andreasw> no it isn't
[01:43] <stdin> ForgeAus: most 3rd party apps are GTK based
[01:43] <andreasw> at least not in Edgy
[01:43] <intelikey> could someone just do this for me then.  grep <your-cdburner_device> ~/.kde/share/config/k3brc
[01:44] <ForgeAus> firefox? um I get firefox anyway some stuff I get is dependant on it I guess
[01:44] <LameBMX> yea i understand its not included .. all im saying is someone would probably need gtk within the first few hours
[01:44] <Teh_Roxor> I like konqueror better anyway
[01:44] <ForgeAus> I didn't actually install firefox itself explicitly
[01:44] <andreasw> LameBMX: I don't use gaim kopete is much better ;)
[01:44] <LameBMX> ewww kepote is ugly n gross ... just looks pretty lol ...
[01:44] <ForgeAus> I like both (and I'm discovering some interesting stuff about Opera like bittorrent integration, and the widgets)
[01:44] <intelikey> k3b ?
[01:44] <ForgeAus> but then Opera isn't freeware
[01:45] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[01:45] <andreasw> LameBMX: I don't care about the look I need features
[01:45] <LameBMX> but anyways why is there that sort of attitude to *buntu ...
[01:45] <LameBMX> is like foss or nothing at all
[01:45] <ForgeAus> somehow I ended up with it and crossover office, they havn't asked me to pay anything yet... but if/when they do I'll just uninstall them
[01:45] <andreasw> LameBMX: gaim has so many security issues I would not use it ;)
[01:45] <Tm_T> LameBMX: There's not, but there's licences and laws.
[01:45] <intelikey> LameBMX the install cd only holds so much.
[01:46] <ForgeAus> I know the windows version of opera used to have adverts everwhere
[01:46] <ForgeAus> not sure about nowerdays
[01:46] <stdin> intelikey: you mean like hdc or the actual name of the divice ?
[01:46] <andreasw> LameBMX: but you are right I still need gtk at least for gimp. The KDE alternative (can't even remeber the name) is not a real alternative yet
[01:46] <Teh_Roxor> Krita?
[01:46] <andreasw> yes thats the name
[01:46] <Tm_T> andreasw: Krita, and no it's not close yet.
[01:46] <intelikey> stdin if hdc is the device node  then yes thats what i mean
[01:46] <LameBMX> intelikey, i got nothing greppin for my cd dev in k3brc ... but k3b dont like me ...
[01:47] <waylandbill> yup krita... it ain't no gimp.
[01:47] <ForgeAus> xarchive, xarchiver are kinda similar... same with thunar and dolphin...
[01:47] <ForgeAus> Gimp!
[01:47] <LameBMX> true that for krita
[01:47] <intelikey> stdin mine is scd0   it's not detected  and i can't enter setup cause admin mode
[01:47] <ForgeAus> thats one gtk app I recommend!
[01:47] <ForgeAus> dunno much about krita
[01:47] <LameBMX> but gimp wants to be broken on my comp lol ...
[01:47] <intelikey> LameBMX thanks for hitting it anyway
[01:48] <andreasw> Konqueror is now a real good alternative to firefox
[01:48] <Teh_Roxor> I actually like Krita, but then again, I don't do much beyond simple editing
[01:48] <larson9999> i don't know why people seem to think you can't use gtk apps in kde and qt apps in gnome, etc.
[01:48] <ForgeAus> I agree antreasw
[01:48] <waylandbill> not as broken as gimp on win32. hit or miss if it will run.
[01:48] <andreasw> ok some websites are rendered better in firefox but I don't think thats the fault of konqueror
[01:48] <ForgeAus> I use different browsers for different purposes
[01:48] <intelikey> stdin so i'll have to know what the line looks like before i enter it in my k3brc file
[01:48] <Teh_Roxor> I love konqueror
[01:49] <larson9999> i prefer apps that are multiplatform
[01:49] <ForgeAus> you do?
[01:49] <andreasw> people should learn how to code valid html
[01:49] <genii> konqueror is nice but the killer extensions are still for firefox
[01:49] <ForgeAus> its what windows' explorer SHOULD have been
[01:49] <andreasw> not trust in browser's error correction
[01:49] <stdin> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/329110
[01:49] <Teh_Roxor> YEah, Konqueror is standards compliant
[01:49] <ForgeAus> semi-is
[01:49] <intelikey> stdin or could you just dcc me a copy of your file (assuming k3b works for you)  then i can pars out what i need
[01:49] <intelikey> oh ok.
[01:49] <ForgeAus> yeah genii perhaps that will change in the future
[01:49] <waylandbill> andreasw: majority probably don't even write the code.
[01:49] <stdin> intelikey: if you need it, I will
[01:50] <ForgeAus> I like the browser identification that konqueror has
[01:50] <intelikey> let me look at the paste first.
[01:50] <andreasw> waylandbill: I know but it would be possible even for the web editors to create valid html or xhtml code
[01:50] <intelikey> maybe all i need is there.
[01:50] <ForgeAus> and the tab management is nice without additional plugins
[01:50] <ForgeAus> (its what firefox should have had by default)
[01:50] <ForgeAus> (like tabmix plus)
[01:50] <andreasw> yes in firefox I have to download MouseGestures, LastTab, TabPreferences
[01:51] <ForgeAus> does konqueror do WML/XHTML?
[01:51] <genii> In v2 of firefox on the tabmix plus is builtin
[01:51] <intelikey> stdin yeah i don't know what headings those are under
[01:51] <intelikey> send it
[01:51] <andreasw> ForgeAus: I think it does
[01:51] <larson9999> i still don't get tabbed browsing.  what's wrong with alt+tab?  my fingers have been genetically hardwired to alt+tab
[01:51] <ForgeAus> genii wasn't on mine
[01:51] <intelikey> looks like one listing for each burning mode
[01:51] <andreasw> larson9999: try it with mouse gestures you'll love it ^^
[01:51] <ForgeAus> what string to put in browser identification to show mobile pages then?
[01:51] <Tururu> i gtg bye all :)
[01:52] <waylandbill> open 50 tabs and 50 windows... :-)
[01:52] <stdin> intelikey: you want the file then?
[01:52] <larson9999> andreasw: i have to use the mouse?  but that's waaayyyy over to the right
[01:52] <genii> ForgeAus Weird, mine had all the things you could do on tabmix. some of it was in the preferences area
[01:52] <andreasw> have to go now bye
[01:53] <intelikey> yeah
[01:53] <genii> my two fave extensions have to be downthemall and showip
[01:53] <ForgeAus> (personally I think some sidebars like an instant messenger and a search page (say kopete?), a mobile browser sidebar too, and IRC integration would be kewl in konqueror)
[01:53] <intelikey> ooops kill that and send one more time
[01:53] <larson9999> maybe i'm slow but web pages are like women to me.  two at once are a bit much to handle
[01:54] <ForgeAus> also konversation is ok but its not as configurable as mIRC... how do I get it to stop opening a new query window when I SINGLE-click a nickname
[01:54] <ForgeAus> I don't mind it on doubleclick
[01:54] <intelikey> ok thanks.   iou one.
[01:54] <stdin> yw :)
[01:54] <intelikey> tooddels .
[01:54] <larson9999> ForgeAus: for my money, xchat is a better fit for mirc converts.  but maybe it's the mulitplatform thing talking
[01:55] <ForgeAus> it also doesn't handle well the way my ISP's login (HTML page) works
[01:55] <ForgeAus> actually I prefer konversation over X-Chat
[01:55] <ForgeAus> but yeah there does seem to be more mIRC-ness in x-chat
[01:56] <ForgeAus> (in konversation I like having the tabs show as tabs instead of a treeview)
[01:56] <waylandbill> is there a list of mouse gestures somewhere?
[01:56] <LameBMX> yea im more comfy in xchat
[01:56] <ForgeAus> the tab bar is very konquerorish :) I like that!
[01:56] <larson9999> ForgeAus: oh, i thought you wanted something more like mirc.  you can have tabs show as tabs in xchat.  i do in fact
[01:56] <LameBMX> last time i played around with nix .. i just ran mirc in wine
[01:56] <ForgeAus> I mightinstall mirc into my crossover office! lol see h ow it goes
[01:56] <ForgeAus> LameBMX yeah that was my next trick
[01:57] <LameBMX> runs really good too ..  but lots o scripts get borked
[01:57] <ForgeAus> I better upgrade my IE to ie6sp1
[01:57] <larson9999> but mirc isn't much to write home about imho
[01:57] <larson9999> and surely you paid for it?  or did it finally go 'free' as in free beer?
[01:58] <LameBMX> larson9999, mirc no ... its scripting abilities and documentation for that scripting is though
[01:58] <ForgeAus> hehe it'd be fun to se ie7 in Linux! rofl
[01:58] <stdin> depends on what you call "fun" :P
[01:58] <ForgeAus> um it didn't go free
[01:58] <ForgeAus> has a register dialog on it
[01:58] <ForgeAus> but I hav never actually registered it
[01:58] <larson9999> LameBMX: scripting?  i think there's plenty of that in linux clients.  just have to get acclimated
[01:59] <LameBMX> vista was nice ... then i ran across some vid of beryl ... and subsequently i switched to nix
[01:59] <ForgeAus> hybrid-IRC is an interesting windows IRC client
[01:59] <crube> Where can I change firefox to be the default browser when opening links in IRC for example?
[01:59] <larson9999> ForgeAus: oh, well, shame on you.
[01:59] <ForgeAus> although something like DOT-IRC or KLIENT are (although non-free again) more complete
[01:59] <LameBMX> larson9999, yea ... but the documentation just isnt there ... mirc scripting is just really well documented
[01:59] <Teh_Roxor> Which is better, Beryl of Compiz?
[01:59] <ForgeAus> larson don't tell me you don't do the same stuff... keep using it until it forces you to pay
[02:00] <Teh_Roxor> I'm running beryl, and me like
[02:00] <genii> I just heard of a tiny browser called dillo   has anyone seen this and is it any good?
[02:00] <LameBMX> i havent played with compiz yet
[02:00] <stdin> Teh_Roxor: compiz is considered more "stable" (as in it's not updated as often), but it also has less effects
[02:00] <ForgeAus> LameBMX that is lame! contemplating Vista then switching to *nix just because of beryl!
[02:00] <ForgeAus> ok what are .so files?
[02:01] <Teh_Roxor> I tried Compiz a while ago and it it was buggy as hell, but it really was back when it was new
[02:01] <stdin> ForgeAus: they are like windows .dll
[02:01] <larson9999> ForgeAus: not since my commodore days.  but these days, with all the foss options, i think piracy is an exceptionally bad character flaw.
[02:02] <ForgeAus> why in the freespire distro theres a dri module under usr/X11R6/lib directory and my kubuntu doesn't have that? shouldn't my fglrx (ati radeon?) have installed that?
[02:03] <ForgeAus> larson I'm not sure why its called piracy, but technically what I do is software steeling, I never alter programs unless I NEED to and even then I rarely look for other alternatives or even decided to get rid of it instead..
[02:03] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, who said contemplating vista ... i had rtm installed for like 3 months ... and ive dabbled with nix before ...
[02:04] <ForgeAus> of course configuration isn't included in that...
[02:04] <larson9999> ForgeAus: not since my commodore days.  but these days, with all the foss options, i think software stealing is an exceptionally bad character flaw.
[02:04] <waylandbill> there's nothing that I want to do that I can't do with free open software
[02:04] <larson9999> ForgeAus: how's that?
[02:04] <larson9999> :)
[02:04] <ForgeAus> because configuration is software altering... its just altering in a way it was intended to be altered
[02:05] <ForgeAus> (altering the installation YOU get is imho true piracy)
[02:06] <larson9999> ForgeAus: 	the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc.: The record industry is beset with piracy.
[02:06] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, what if you have to alter an installation to make it work with your machine how you want it to
[02:07] <ForgeAus> I've never had any software like that before LameBMX
[02:07] <LameBMX> i have ... win xp pro .. and ubuntu ...
[02:07] <larson9999> ForgeAus: at any rate, stretch your wings a bit and dump all of your stolen software.  it's liberating.
[02:07] <ForgeAus> but if I find some I tend to give it a miss or find some alternate solution
[02:08] <ForgeAus> larson, I intend to someday
[02:08] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, fakeraid controller :/ they are a pain
[02:08] <larson9999> ForgeAus: and take the cable splitter from your neighbors house down.
[02:08] <ForgeAus> um we don't have cable in our area
[02:08] <ForgeAus> (well not proper cable)
[02:08] <ForgeAus> Telstra  havn't laid it...
[02:09] <LameBMX> though i was thinkin about patchin dmraid into the kernal
[02:09] <larson9999> ForgeAus: extension cord from his house?
[02:09] <larson9999> :)
[02:09] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure if I've heard of any cable-splitting in Australia... its an interesting idea tho :)
[02:09] <LameBMX> should cut boot error messages in about half during boot up ... keeps givin read errors on the devices in the array till it loads up dmraid
[02:09] <ForgeAus> extension! rofl! um wheres the nearest cable point I guess I'd need to find? what if its Kilometers or further away?
[02:10] <ForgeAus> theres always the choice of the non-standard cable company Neighbourhood cable
[02:10] <ForgeAus> but thats not so good
[02:10] <LameBMX> oh man ... its 12f outside ...
[02:10] <Jucato> !offtopic
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[02:10] <ForgeAus> that sounds cold
[02:11] <enaut> hi guys
[02:11] <ForgeAus> (I consider neighbourhood cable improper cable tho)
[02:11] <waylandbill> I had -3F at 3AM this morning
[02:12] <ForgeAus> (plus its a ripoff, you can get cheaper ADSL plans with better service)
[02:12] <ForgeAus> is 0F the same as 0C?
[02:12] <stdin> nope
[02:12] <larson9999> topic nazis!! time to make the doughnuts.  seeya
[02:12] <waylandbill> 0C = 32F
[02:12] <martin__> I need some help! I have a swedish keyboard connected to my computer, and yesterday i started fideling with the country/redgion settings and everything went wrong. First my keyboard changed to XkbLayout EN so i had an english keyboard, whis was not a huge problem. I hade made a backup of my xorg.conf file so i had a look and the only differens betwene the backup and the original was that XkbLayout had changed from se to en. XkbModel was
[02:12] <martin__> the same, pc105. So i changed XkbLayout back to se saved logged out and restarted Xserver. When i was to log in again i have full functionallity with swedish letters and layout in the login window. But once i got logged in the keyboard stopped working. Allt the numbers and caps lock and other function keys work but not any of the letters. So i went to the country region settings and chaged it back to en and it started working again, but as
[02:12] <martin__> an english keyboard this time. Are there more configuration files than xorg.conf that i have to edit in order to change keyboard layout or does any one know the reason for this problem. Please help!
[02:12] <ForgeAus> so 12f is less than 0!
[02:12] <Jucato> !pastebin | martin__
[02:12] <ubotu> martin__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:12] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, well under 0c
[02:13] <stdin> -11.111r (to be exact)
[02:13] <ForgeAus> Lame yeah thats what I meant
[02:13] <ForgeAus> I think in celsius I dunno much about Farenheit scale
[02:13] <ForgeAus> whats r?
[02:13] <waylandbill> it was -20C at my house this morning. brr.
[02:13] <stdin> recurring
[02:13] <ForgeAus> I know Kelvin is basically same as Celsius but -215 or so degrees!
[02:13] <Jucato> !offtopic | ForgeAus
[02:13] <larson9999> speaking of keyboards.  if you have a multimedia keyboard.  try touchkey, it's VERY easy and nice.
[02:13] <ubotu> ForgeAus: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:14] <ForgeAus> ie 0 Kelvin  known as "Absolute Zero" is -215 or so Celsius
[02:14] <ForgeAus> which means 215 Kelvin = 0 celsius or something like that...
[02:14] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, 0 K = -273,16 ?C
[02:14] <genii> Yeah -273
[02:14] <ForgeAus> 270+ ok more than I thought but ok your prolly right
[02:14] <LameBMX> currently -273.15 ... though that can change
[02:15] <ForgeAus> my memory isn't what it used to b
[02:15] <larson9999> lol
[02:15] <ForgeAus> eek I sound lik eI'm an old fogey!
[02:15] <waylandbill> 0K = -459.67F
[02:15] <ForgeAus> I'm only 31!
[02:15] <LameBMX> okay .16 my memory has faded a lil ... cant really have an exact figure till someone stops all molecular motion
[02:15] <ForgeAus> its just a LONG time since I did Kelvin stuff
[02:15] <waylandbill> google converts all those.
[02:15] <Jucato> can everyone discussing temperatures take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:15] <martin__> I need some help! I have a swedish keyboard connected to my computer, and yesterday i started fideling with the country/redgion settings and everything went wrong. First my keyboard changed to XkbLayout EN so i had an english keyboard, whis was not a huge problem.
[02:16] <martin__> I hade made a backup of my xorg.conf file so i had a look and the only differens betwene the backup and the original was that XkbLayout had changed from se to en. XkbModel was the same, pc105. So i changed XkbLayout back to se saved logged out and restarted Xserver. When i was to log in again i have full functionallity with swedish letters and layout in the login window.
[02:16] <martin__> ut once i got logged in the keyboard stopped working. Allt the numbers and caps lock and other function keys work but not any of the letters. So i went to the country region settings and chaged it back to en and it started working again, but as an english keyboard this time.
[02:16] <martin__> Are there more configuration files than xorg.conf that i have to edit in order to change keyboard layout or does any one know the reason for this problem. Please help!
[02:17] <HymnToLife> martin__, nope, only your xorg.conf is enough
[02:17] <Jucato> !se
[02:17] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[02:18] <Jucato> martin__: those guys might know ^^^^
[02:18] <Dell-Net> system>settings>keyboard ?
[02:18] <HymnToLife> martin__, could you pastebin your xorg.conf ?
[02:19] <martin__> HymnToLife: yeah sure, just have to figure out how the pastebin works..
[02:19] <HymnToLife> !pastebin
[02:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:19] <HymnToLife> go there, paste your text, click Send, voil? :)
[02:19] <endo602> when i mount bind,,,, does it last forever?>
[02:19] <HymnToLife> if you set it in fstab, yes
[02:20] <HymnToLife> if not, it will be lost at next reboot
[02:20] <endo602> how do i set a bind in fstab?
[02:20] <endo602> can you give me an example
[02:20] <endo602> with all permissions in tact
[02:20] <ForgeAus> is there a way to simply cange a partition type from blank to FAT? (um and which one is it thats limited to 2 gig fat16 or fa32?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> eh no I can't, it's been ages since I used binds
[02:21] <ForgeAus> coz thats the one one of my partitions that um... vanished... is
[02:21] <HymnToLife> but it should be fairly easy to find in google
[02:21] <ForgeAus> its supposed to be part of my extended DOS partition
[02:21] <martin__> HymnToLife: so now that i have hit paste in the pastbin what do i do?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, FAT16 is the one limited to 2 GiB
[02:21] <ForgeAus> well dos/win98 really
[02:21] <ForgeAus> yup then thats the one
[02:21] <HymnToLife> martin__, you paste here the URL that gives you
[02:22] <Jucato> martin__: post the URL/link here
[02:22] <ForgeAus> somehow my extended partition decided to forget it had 2 gig of fat16 on the end of it
[02:22] <stdin> endo602: bind example "/media/device/subdir    /home/me/dirname  none    bind    0       0"
[02:22] <martin__> HymnToLife: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2972/
[02:22] <ForgeAus> can I simply change the partition table to reflect it (before I start trying to recover data)
[02:22] <endo602> stdin thanks
[02:22] <stdin> np :)
[02:22] <genii> endo602 http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Bind_A_Directory_In_FSTAB
[02:22] <endo602> i got screwed on last reboot
[02:23] <Jucato> HymnToLife: mind if I join your lecture? I can't seem to get Compose (international/accented characters) to work either...
[02:23] <ForgeAus> its not all that important but I'd rather not wipe it if I don't absolutely HAVE to
[02:23] <HymnToLife> martin__, maybe the "pc105" model is not "compatible" with se layout, try commenting that line out
[02:24] <HymnToLife> (line48)
[02:24] <HymnToLife> Jucato, what kind of keyboard do you have ?
[02:24] <ForgeAus> does anyone know if microsoft .NET framework works under wine?
[02:24] <martin__> HymnToLife: but pc105 is what i used earlier and that worked, got that from my xorg.conf.backup that i made..
[02:24] <ForgeAus> normally you need mono right?
[02:24] <Jucato> HymnToLife: 104, afaik
[02:25] <ForgeAus> (does kde/qt have a mono-develop equivalent?)
[02:25] <HymnToLife> Jucato, yeah but I mean, what layout ?
[02:25] <stdin> ForgeAus: people in #winehq should know
[02:25] <Jucato> HymnToLife: ah en_us
[02:25] <HymnToLife> martin__, if you have a working xorg.conf, why don't you use it ?
[02:25] <HymnToLife> Jucato, you don't have accented characters on them, do you ?
[02:26] <Jucato> HymnToLife: not a single one
[02:26] <Jucato> HymnToLife: but martin__ first :)
[02:26] <HymnToLife> then no wonder you can't use them I guess
[02:26] <martin__> HymnToLife: pus that the keyboard works in the login window. I have made some changes to my monitor and graphics card settings since i did the backup so i dont want to over write it..
[02:27] <HymnToLife> martin__, if it works in KDM, then your xorg.conf is configured okay
[02:27] <HymnToLife> did you change the layout in KDE ?
[02:27] <Jucato> HymnToLife: before, I could use the compose key to enter accented characters, like Compose key+~+n =
[02:29] <martin__> HymnToLife: Yes, the change I made that screwed eveyting up was in the sytem settings in KDE.  I want to somehow assign each particular one with a static device designation. For instance the usb key will always be sda and the hard drive will always be sdb and the card reader will always be sdc no matter if I have any mix of them plugged in or not. Any way to accomplish this?
[02:32] <crube> What is the directory where all the wallpapers are in?
[02:32] <HymnToLife> Jucato, yep, same problem here. Actually, the ~ key on the keyboard doesn't work but I have another key doing that
[02:32] <HymnToLife> don't know why, but I never use the ~ anyway
[02:32] <stdin> crube: /usr/share/wallpapers/
[02:32] <martin__> HymnToLife: i have disabled it and im logging out and restarting the xserver to se if t works.. brb
[02:32] <crube> Thanks
[02:32] <Jucato> HymnToLife: but that's just one example.. other keys don't work either... :(
[02:33] <stdin> genii: have you asked in #ubuntu yet ?
[02:33] <HymnToLife> Jucato, like ` ? ^ ?
[02:33] <genii> stdin not yet...thx I'll give it a shot
[02:33] <Jucato> HymnToLife: yeah, `+character... no go
[02:33] <HymnToLife> funny, they work here and my xorg.conf is as untouched as one can be
[02:34] <Jucato> HymnToLife: could you pastebin yours for me? :D
[02:34] <HymnToLife> sure
[02:36] <martin__> HymnToLife: It workes thank for the help! and I lerned something new as usual!
[02:36] <HymnToLife> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2974/
[02:36] <Jucato> HymnToLife: thanks
[02:37] <ForgeAus> someone should make a lincoco or linaqua and counterparts wincoco/winaqua for MacOSX software to install into Windows/Linux OS's lol
[02:38] <ForgeAus> then you could have either Windows + Cygwin + Winaqua or  Linux + Wine + Linaqua either running VMWare to "nest" install the other :)
[02:38] <ForgeAus> rofl
[02:39] <endo602> HymnToLife, when i bind folders will it automatically bind subdirs?
[02:40] <HymnToLife> endo602, yes
[02:40] <endo602> thanks
[02:40] <endo602> i edited the fstab
[02:40] <endo602> hopefully everything will work now
[02:40] <HymnToLife> just mount it manually
[02:40] <HymnToLife> and then add it in /etc/fstab whaen it suits you
[02:42] <ForgeAus> mmmm yum
[02:42] <ForgeAus> konqueror is awesome with java-popups
[02:42] <ForgeAus> asks you if you want to open it or not
[02:42] <ForgeAus> at least on my install it did
[02:43] <ForgeAus> might have tweaked it since install tho
[02:43] <ForgeAus> still I like that I get choice
[02:44] <sb9> is there an equivalent to ntpd for ubuntu ? cannot find ntpd by aptitude search
[02:45] <stdin> !info openntpd
[02:45] <ubotu> openntpd: OpenBSD NTP daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.9p1-3 (edgy), package size 41 kB, installed size 168 kB
[02:46] <waylandbill> interesting. aptitude search shows openntpd here
[02:47] <sb9> thx
[02:49] <ana> :)
[02:49] <ForgeAus> is the mosaic web browser still going?
[02:50] <ForgeAus> hmm also archie?
[02:50] <ForgeAus> and um... gopher protocol, any gophers still about?
[02:50] <ForgeAus> (this is a timewarp rewind into my internet entry-level... long ago)
[02:51] <waylandbill> there's less than 1000 gophers as of 2006. :-D
[02:52] <ForgeAus> lol
[02:52] <waylandbill> oh.. THATS why... vista dropped all gopher support.. ROFL!
[02:52] <ForgeAus> I found it cumbersome but I think gopher really has its uses, I wouldn't be suprised to see a comeback on menu-driven internet! like gopher is/was
[02:52] <wimpies> HI all, when I insert an audio CD in my second CD player, amarok is not able to play that CD.  It does play from the first.  What might be wrong
[02:52] <genii> Yeah you can still download mosaic from ncsa
[02:53] <ForgeAus> ie7+ doesn't have gopher?
[02:53] <ForgeAus> I know ie6sp1 did
[02:53] <genii> Tho after microsoft used the mosaic engine for ie4 they stopped development on it
[02:53] <ForgeAus> I think dropping it was premature (in their view probaly overdue .. its been a long time but like I said I think it has its place)
[02:54] <waylandbill> wimpies: the audio cable to your sound card is hooked to the first drive maybe?
[02:54] <wimpies> waylandbill : probably but amarok reports an error about a plugin being bad or missing to URL cdda:/1  what does that mean ?
[02:55] <waylandbill> maybe the drive isn't reading the disc well
[02:56] <ForgeAus> ahh yes veronica
[02:56] <ForgeAus> archie was an ftp search engine right?
[02:56] <ForgeAus> veronica I never really undestood what that was
[02:56] <waylandbill> IE6 was patched in 2002 to fix a gopher security hole... it disabled gopher entirely.
[02:57] <sfpavel> how do i make a partition bigger?
[02:57] <genii> veronica was an indexing spider for gopher sites. One of the first spider-type programs around
[02:57] <ForgeAus> pavel, grow it!
[02:57] <sfpavel> ?
[02:57] <ForgeAus> ok genii I've heard of spiders seen lots of them probably USED lots of them but I'm not sure what they actually are!
[02:58] <ForgeAus> sfpavel its called growing a partition you can use qtparted to do it!
[02:58] <jeffto> hello
[02:58] <stdin> spiders crawl the web :P
[02:58] <ForgeAus> if you have it installed
[02:58] <sfpavel> thnx..thought u mwere making fun of me
[02:58] <sfpavel> :P
[02:58] <genii> ForgeAus: Sort of like benevolent worms LOL
[02:58] <ForgeAus> hehe stdin like webcrawler :)
[02:58] <waylandbill> GopherVR... 3d gopher
[02:58] <ForgeAus> rofl genii!
[02:59] <waylandbill> gparted live cd is the way to go for partitioning.
[02:59] <ForgeAus> how do they find things? do they have some kind of list of where to look?
[02:59] <ForgeAus> gparted is kewl
[02:59] <genii> before google webcrawler rocked
[02:59] <jeffto> Yesterday I upgrady my kubuntu dapper to edgy, but when I restart X system don't work, I have install xserver-xorg but nope kubuntu continue without Graphical System
[02:59] <ForgeAus> as good if not better than partition magic!
[02:59] <waylandbill> way better.
[03:00] <ForgeAus> jeffto? you have a x-less kubuntu! thats very strange!
[03:00] <waylandbill> friends look at me wierd when I tell them to use it for win32 stuff. They are baffled that linux does windows paritioning.
[03:00] <jeffto> yes :(
[03:00] <ForgeAus> isi t just me or is the dapper -> edgy update dangerous?
[03:01] <stdin> jeffto: are you sure everything is installed properly, eg the "xserver-xorg-driver-*" packages changed to "xserver-xorg-video-*"
[03:01] <ForgeAus> the same thing isn't likely to happen to fiesty too is it?
[03:01] <Jucato> jeffto: when you try run "startx" in the command line, what error messages do you get?
[03:01] <jeffto> let me show
[03:01] <genii> ForgeAus Several ppl have lost functioning of USB devices and some wireless issues so far that I know of with the dapper->edgy
[03:02] <ForgeAus> um genii how would one go accessing wireless via a router thats wired to their local system.. ie no wireless card exactly
[03:02] <waylandbill> I use the cd to upgrade manually and install what I need. But then I did keep my /home seperate.
[03:02] <ForgeAus> (I have a wireless HP multifunction it'd be interesting to try it under linux)
[03:03] <ForgeAus> it finds the router fine, but how does my computer find it?
[03:03] <matt0507> stdin: what is the console command to kill adept? it froze on me
[03:03] <ForgeAus> (it works for my dad's pc under WinXP (my winxp never did but that was a broken install.... that I toyed with untill it completely died)
[03:03] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | matt0507
[03:03] <ubotu> matt0507: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:03] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: it's just like a regular ethernet if you've hard wired into the router.
[03:03] <stdin> matt0507: you should just Ctrl-Alt-Esc and click on it
[03:04] <genii> ForgeAus: You mean you have a wap attached by rj45 to the one system and another wap to the modem elsewhere?
[03:04] <stdin> matt0507: then run that command
[03:04] <Jucato> stdin: er... Adept? you won't be able to do that
[03:04] <ForgeAus> um ok how do I install a multifunction printer via regular ethernet?
[03:04] <matt0507> ty all
[03:04] <ForgeAus> um wap? not sure what wap is
[03:04] <stdin> Jucato: why not?
[03:04] <genii> ForgeAus: wap=wireless accesspoint read:wireless router
[03:04] <waylandbill> ethernet printer or usb printer?
[03:05] <Jucato> stdin: oh nvm ehehe
[03:05] <stdin> :)
[03:05] <matt0507> ahh never mind, i think i tried ctrl alt esc , and it unfroze for some weird reason
[03:05] <Jucato> stdin: xkill works on apps run by root?
[03:05] <waylandbill> genii: when you said wap I thought you were talking about encryption keys.
[03:05] <ForgeAus> I have a DI-524 router that I"m directly connected to, its a wireless D-Link router
[03:05] <stdin> Jucato: yeah
[03:06] <ForgeAus> so I guess its an ethernet printer to my computer but the printer itself connects to the router wirelessly
[03:06] <genii> waylandbill: Yeah wep vs wap :)
[03:06] <waylandbill> :)
[03:06] <Jucato> stdin: oh ok... for some reason, I only saw "Ctrl+Esc" and missed the "Alt" in your reply :P
[03:06] <andreasw> re
[03:06] <matt0507> how do i get youtube to work on FF? i've java-5, java-plugin but still not work, maybe i need additional library or something?
[03:06] <waylandbill> except wap = wireless application protocol.
[03:07] <ForgeAus> um I think it has wep
[03:07] <stdin> matt0507: you probably need flash
[03:07] <Amigunas> hi all
[03:07] <stdin> matt0507: specifically flash 9
[03:07] <genii> ForgeAus: Does the system attached to the router get some IP?
[03:07] <Amigunas> hi Jucato
[03:07] <Amigunas> ;)
[03:07] <Jucato> Amigunas: what kind of "does not support"?
[03:07] <ForgeAus> genii yes its DHCP
[03:07] <Jucato> Amigunas: trying to burn MP3's as Audio CD's?
[03:07] <Amigunas> The exact sentence is:
[03:07] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: you are connected to the router and have an ip. The printer should as well.
[03:08] <ForgeAus> <IP_ADDRESS> is the localnet
[03:08] <Amigunas> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[03:08] <Amigunas> and then there is a list of all the MP3's
[03:08] <ForgeAus> wayland it doesn't show up in the DHCP list
[03:08] <Amigunas> I think this will be some copyright restriction
[03:08] <Jucato> Amigunas: trying to burn MP3's as Audio CD's?
[03:08] <Amigunas> yes
[03:08] <Amigunas> this normally works
[03:08] <genii> ForgeAus: What waylandbill said.
[03:08] <Jucato> !libk3b2-mp3 | Amigunas
[03:08] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[03:08] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: then maybe it isn't connected to the router.
[03:08] <Jucato> Amigunas: you need to install that
[03:08] <ForgeAus> it has to be
[03:09] <Amigunas> Thank you very much!
[03:09] <ForgeAus> like I said it can only be connected to there to work on my dad's PC
[03:09] <waylandbill> can you get the status from the printer, like does it have a readout screen?
[03:09] <jeffto> Jucato, is complety insane, if I make "startx" from root it start X, but if I do from my normal user nope
[03:09] <ForgeAus> I had to set up the Wireless passphrase on the printer to connect to it but after that it all just magically worked
[03:09] <jeffto> and isn't working kdm
[03:09] <genii> ForgeAus: The printer should also then be getting an IP. So something like tcp/ip printing port eg: remote printer
[03:09] <waylandbill> so you can get the ip from it
[03:10] <Jucato> jeffto: please check the error messages that you get when try startx as normal user.
[03:10] <genii> what used to be called "jetdirect port" in windoze
[03:10] <waylandbill> because then you can use the kde printer dialog to connect to it.
[03:10] <ForgeAus> um how do I get the printers IP?
[03:10] <ForgeAus> shouldn't DHCP have handed it one?
[03:10] <jeffto> ok
[03:10] <ForgeAus> if so why isn't it on the list of DHCP requested IP's
[03:10] <jeffto> Fatal server error
[03:10] <ForgeAus> (that the router stores)
[03:10] <Jucato> jeffto: then?
[03:10] <jeffto> server is already active for display 0
[03:11] <jeffto> XIO: fatal IO error 104
[03:11] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: does the printer have a readout screen that you can use to get the ip?
[03:11] <genii> ForgeAus: Possibly the printer has been set to some static IP by way of it's local controls. Will be on the same range as the router however
[03:11] <Jucato> jeffto: have you tried rebooting? it seems that X is already up at display 0 (the default)
[03:11] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: it could be that the printer is statically assigned
[03:12] <Jucato> jeffto: try this: reboot normally, then once you get to the login prompt, login as normal user, then run "startx".
[03:12] <ForgeAus> wayland if it is I didn't set that up
[03:12] <ForgeAus> how do I find the printers IP then?
[03:12] <waylandbill> some devices will look for a subnet and assign themselves an address.. so that it never changes because of an expired lease.
[03:12] <genii> ForgeAus: On the XP box what port does it say the printer is on? default port for tcp/ip printers in XP/2K is the IP address
[03:12] <waylandbill> consult the manual for the printer.\
[03:13] <ForgeAus> actually it MIGHT b
[03:13] <ForgeAus> theres 2 clients on DHCP list that don't have names
[03:13] <ForgeAus> they might be the printer right?
[03:13] <genii> ForgeAus: Quite possibly, yes
[03:13] <ForgeAus> (it'd be nice if I could give it a hostname)
[03:13] <ForgeAus> (so I could identify it)
[03:13] <waylandbill> could be. may not have registered a host name
[03:13] <jeffto> Jucato, I going to try this right now
[03:14] <ForgeAus> thats interesting, it never occurred to me that it could have been one of them!
[03:14] <waylandbill> The manual should tell easily how to look up the ip right at the printer.
[03:14] <ForgeAus> yeah I can hook it up in windows easy the software does it automatically
[03:14] <waylandbill> as a linux user you can't have the excuse that you don't want to read it. :-P
[03:14] <ForgeAus> it just seems to know how/where to look!
[03:15] <jeffto> Jucato, when I close root X session I'm getting a kde fail message
[03:15] <waylandbill> the windows driver may have been programmed specifically to look for certain things.. could be broadcasting mDNS for all we know.
[03:16] <ForgeAus> probably was
[03:17] <matt0507> ok this is really stupid, i typed in FF about:plugins and flash is there, everything is enbaled etc etc.. yet site such as youtube, isketch.net still doesnt work for me... dont know what to do anymore :(
[03:17] <genii> I thin it probes the standard tcp/ip printing port numbers, like 515 (lpd),631 (standard tcp printing)and 9100 for most HP
[03:17] <ForgeAus> aww I wish XMMS had a AVS plugin!
[03:17] <ForgeAus> (visualization one that WinAMP has)
[03:17] <genii> HP normally broadcast on x.x.x.255 port 9100 so you know they are there
[03:19] <waylandbill> my HP is usb, so I it hooked up and then my cups shared it. went easy
[03:19] <Jucato> matt0507: what version of flash is installed?
[03:19] <ForgeAus> XMMS could be way better... comparing it to current WinAMP the Video with input/output plugins could be added (I mean it has a plugin but it didn't seem to kick in for me)... or something that channels a player like VLC?
[03:19] <ForgeAus> wayland mine has USB and parallel and ethernet ports
[03:19] <ForgeAus> but its only "hooked up" to the wireless router
[03:19] <ForgeAus> (because its in a different room)
[03:20] <genii> waylandbill I have an ancient HP 4M Plus here which uses an ethernet jack but it doesn't do dhcp, you have to statically assignt he IP and so on
[03:20] <genii> cups worked fine with it over the wired network
[03:20] <matt0507> Jucato: i've just downloaded flash9 and followed the instruction on this site:http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[03:21] <ForgeAus> I'd like a Wireless mouse with a USB dock (whcih soule probably be more like a USB mouse that connects to a docking station wirelessly)
[03:21] <Jucato> matt0507: are any other flash sites working? btw, Flash 9 is available in our repositories
[03:23] <matt0507> Jucato: how do i test that? annway after following instruction on that page i get this messaage: Mozilla installation directory  = /home/matthew/.mozilla >,< prob wrong directory?
[03:24] <Jucato> matt0507: I'm not really sure as I haven't tried installing flash from outside sources
[03:24] <jeffto> Jucato, there was a trouble /tmp/X0-lock
[03:24] <Jucato> matt0507: try testing it on other web pages that have flash
[03:24] <jeffto> i erase this file and finally X start I going to reboot to see what happend
[03:24] <matt0507> Jucato:  i try searching for flash i adept but dont see 'flash 9' only see plugin though, free and nonfree.
[03:25] <Jucato> matt0507: flashplugin-nonfree
[03:25] <Jucato> !flash9 | matt0507
[03:25] <ubotu> matt0507: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:25] <matt0507> !backports
[03:25] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[03:34] <matt0507> i just updated sources.list to included backports, and upgraded flash-nonfree plugin now everythign works fine, ty guys much appreciated :D
[03:35] <Jucato> :)
[03:35] <genii> Yodude http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html
[03:36] <genii> sorry wrong channel :)
[03:39] <matt0507> !beryl
[03:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[03:45] <dropsl> hi
[03:46] <dropsl> since KDE 3.5.6 my ALT_R key does not work anymore... so i cant do backslashes and at symbols... (with my german keyboard...) does anyone know how to correct this? :)
[03:47] <_AnA_> in keyboard
[03:47] <dropsl> im back
[03:48] <Jack111> hi
[03:50] <waylandbill> Jack111: hi
[03:50] <Jack111> i have the problem after an upgrad to edgy that i cannot login anymore graphically, in the console it tells me:xf860openserial error opening device /dev/wacon,called,
[03:50] <Jack111>  refcount is 2, should be 1, fixing
[03:51] <Jack111> anyone any idea?
[03:51] <waylandbill> I have the wacon device disabled in the xorg.conf, but i wouldn't think that would keep you out of x entirely.
[03:53] <Jack111> so what should i do to login in future?
[03:53] <Jack111> FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[03:53] <Jack111> it says something like that
[03:54] <Jack111> with the frefontpath
[03:54] <stdin> font errors won't stop X, check for other errors
[03:55] <Jucato> try running startx and see the errors that it gives
[03:55] <stdin> or just check the log file
[03:55] <Jack111> it gives me the error /dav/wacom failed and refcount is 2, should be 1
[03:56] <Jack111> where is the logfile in kubuntu?
[03:57] <stdin>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:00] <eeos> hi there. do you know of any tool for reverse enginnering databases, which can extract the ERD or the class diagram froma  database?
[04:00] <sistemas> Hi everybody
[04:00] <sistemas> I downloaded the binary of super mario war
[04:01] <sistemas> But I can't run it
[04:01] <akrus> what the hell with eA?
[04:01] <akrus> @-commands not working!
[04:01] <akrus> I'm level 99 in database ~_~
[04:01] <waylandbill> sistemas: missing deps?
[04:02] <dataman> hello
[04:02] <Jack111> hi its here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2977/
[04:02] <akrus> is GM_account required then?
[04:02] <stdin> sistemas: you probably need an emulator
[04:02] <dataman> who try here to run hi ubuntu as a gateway?
[04:02] <akrus> oops
[04:02] <akrus> wrong channel xD
[04:02] <dataman> who try here to run ubuntu as a gateway? i m trying it and i m lock
[04:03] <Jack111> stdin jucato its here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2977/
[04:03] <sistemas> no I guess I must to make a link with a shared library
[04:03] <sistemas> I tried to run in my desktop
[04:04] <stdin> Jack111: can you post your xorg.conf
[04:05] <matt0507> !beryl
[04:05] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[04:06] <waylandbill> I can think of better ways to describe beryl and none are good. :-)
[04:06] <stdin> beryl is just a bunch of 3d effects
[04:07] <eeos> stdin waylandbill what on earth is beryl? it has been mentioned in the kde 3.5.6 announcement.
[04:07] <waylandbill> it's a window manager, but it's lacking in features other wm's have... cause it's still early in development
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2978/ but i got three or four different xorg confs, is that the problem?
[04:08] <stdin> eeos: it's 3D desktop effects: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8668797260936502626
[04:08] <stdin> Jack111: only the one called /etc/X11/xorg.conf will be used
[04:08] <eeos> stdin waylandbill doing some 3D effect? native?
[04:09] <waylandbill> well.. you can close a window and have it engulf in flames..
[04:09] <stdin> eeos: beryl is just the effects, AIGLX or XGL is what enables the effects
[04:09] <Jack111> stdin should i delete the others?i have got xorg, xorg.conf, xorg.conf.20060628164708, xorg.conf.custom
[04:10] <stdin> Jack111: you don't have to, they are just backups
[04:10] <eeos> waylandbill wow, could not wait for it. And what is the use?
[04:10] <ScarFreewill> can some one tell me how to install Segoe fonts? i tried installing mscorefonts but it doesn't help
[04:10] <waylandbill> you can also drag and drop and blow up the entire desktop.. real useful. :-)
[04:10] <Jack111> ok, does the conf thing create the problem? do i need to edit it?stdin
[04:11] <waylandbill> it's just eye candy.. not really much use in my book.
[04:11] <stdin> Jack111: you can create a new one with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:11] <Jucato> eye candy usefulness is subjective... let's keep it at that
[04:12] <Jack111> stdin the it should work you mean?
[04:12] <stdin> Jack111: well it will create a new one, like it was after the install
[04:12] <waylandbill> I guess showing my friends the strength of my video card would be a good use. :-D
[04:12] <eeos> right. like let's surprise the customers? I could see the use of that. Of course, resources are not a problem, are they?
[04:12] <Jack111> i think i did that and it i still couldn tlogin
[04:12] <Jack111> however i try again thanksy
[04:13] <waylandbill> it'll be a nice product when complete, but there is still many things we expect from a wm that are lacking yet
[04:13] <eeos> any other wm able to do all of that native?
[04:14] <LjL> eeos: where's beryl mentioned for kde 3.5.6?
[04:14] <waylandbill> compiz is where it forked from but doesn't have the wild effects.
[04:14] <Jucato> LjL: annoucnement page
[04:15] <LjL> Jucato: of KDE not Kubuntu i suppose?
[04:15] <Jucato> but actually it was Compiz, not Beryl
[04:15] <Jucato> LjL: yep. KDE
[04:15] <LjL> Jucato: aaah indeed
[04:15] <LjL> i noticed compiz, but didn't see a mention of beryl
[04:15] <waylandbill> the scrolling to un/hide yakuake is enough for me.
[04:15] <eeos> waylandbill compiz does the same as beryl?
[04:15] <waylandbill> not entirely.
[04:15] <LjL> eeos: about it, yes
[04:15] <waylandbill> similar
[04:16] <eeos> the difference?
[04:16] <stdin> beryl has more bling
[04:16] <stdin> (more effects)
[04:16] <sahin_w> compiz use gconf infrastructure
[04:16] <LjL> eeos: well, for as far as i'm concerned, the main difference is that Beryl doesn't have (many) GNOME dependencies
[04:16] <sahin_w> beryl has its own
[04:16] <waylandbill> they forked because compiz wasn't as concerned with the more dazzling effects as with the code base.
[04:16] <stdin> there was a compiz-kde package, but that died
[04:17] <eeos> so nothing really near to kde
[04:17] <jean-b> hi!
[04:17] <sahin_w> I feel beryl more KDE frindly.
[04:17] <LjL> stdin: unfortunate. though as far as i heard, compiz can now be used without gconf, though i might be mistaken about that
[04:17] <jean-b> I wish to install new fonts
[04:17] <LjL> if it will ever work with KDE decorations (aquamarine or whatever), i'll be happy
[04:17] <jean-b> what should i do?
[04:17] <LjL> Ubotu, tell jean-b about fonts | jean-b, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:18] <eeos> is there anything more kde friendly than these two?
[04:18] <jean-b> thanx!!
[04:18] <LjL> eeos: Beryl with Aquamarine is quite KDE friendly, though it still uses GTK
[04:18] <waylandbill> I don't know... KWin does what I need and is functional
[04:18] <LjL> however, it's not tremendously stable for me
[04:18] <sahin_w> Well my big problem with beryl is the kpager is going nuts if I fire up beryl
[04:18] <sahin_w> However there is a modified kpager
[04:18] <LjL> waylandbill: sure thing, however i wouldn't mind a shadow here and there, or windows that move with decent redraw times
[04:19] <eeos> waylandbill yes same here, just trying to understand the buzzwords
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> what happened to the color picker kicker applet? I found kcolorchooser, but I want the one that docks into kicker.
[04:19] <LjL> LeeJunFan: hmm haven't seen that one for a while
[04:19] <waylandbill> LjL: yeah.. I could agree with the redraw times for sure.
[04:20] <sahin_w> There is some promise the new kwin would introduce some compozite feature... just like beryl or compiz
[04:20] <ScarFreewill> how can i install Segoe fonts? i tried installing mscorefonts but it doesn't help
[04:20] <waylandbill> dragging a window usually makes the back end look like it's leaving a trail.
[04:20] <sahin_w> check this: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2651
[04:20] <LjL> waylandbill: well that can be fixed with Composite, too (as well as shadows), but that's not really quite stable either
[04:20] <LjL> i mean, KDE's use of it isn't
[04:21] <sahin_w> Yep, KDE own compozite thing currently very unstable for me.
[04:21] <stdin> !font
[04:21] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[04:22] <ForgeAus> does kubuntu-desktop depend on kdebase?
[04:22] <stdin> ForgeAus: no, not directly
[04:22] <eeos> sahin_w thanks for links.
[04:22] <sahin_w> Normaly I not use beryl (for work) however my 2 years old sun like the beryl effect a lot. ;-)
[04:22] <LjL> shadowraven: am i mistaken or is that talking about a KWin experimental branch that has effects in the vein of Comperyl?
[04:23] <ubuntu_> listc of mirrors?
[04:23] <LjL> sorry shadowraven, i meant sahin_w
[04:23] <ubuntu_> *list
[04:23] <LjL> !mirrors
[04:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[04:24] <ubuntu_> repository mirrors
[04:24] <sahin_w> Yes it's talking about the KWin experimental branch.
[04:24] <LjL> ubuntu_: if you mean mirrors for APT, it's usually just **.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <LjL> ** being a country's abbreviation
[04:24] <sahin_w> However experimental today will turn to stable one day.
[04:24] <LjL> sahin_w: sheduled for inclusion for __?
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> LjL: found the color picker for kicker - it's in kicker-applets
[04:25] <ubuntu_> only one repository?
[04:25] <LjL> LeeJunFan: ouch, and i didn't have that installed? oh me
[04:25] <sahin_w> Maybe it will be the part of the KDE4. I guess.
[04:25] <LjL> ubuntu_: no
[04:25] <sahin_w> I mean the compozite thing.
[04:25] <LjL> ubuntu_: lots of repositories. **.archive.ubuntu.com - make the "**" into it, fr, de, es, se, and a lot other country abbreviations, and you get the mirror name for that country
[04:26] <ubuntu_> ah the site you linked it's a list of repository