[00:18] <maco> apachelogger: hehe
[00:19] <maco> plasma-netbook is crashing on my netbook for my user but not for a new user. grr. and my .kde/share/config/plasma-netbook* are stock so BOO
[00:20] <maco> by which i mean i deleted them this morning and they were regenerated
[00:23]  * maco waits for dbg symbols to download at 12Kbps
[00:41]  * Riddell starts the 4.5 uploading/copying
[00:48]  * claydoh|werk thinks of way to pimp jo Muon to the world, but really should be werking........
[00:52] <ScottK> Nice feedback on the web site.
[00:52] <ScottK> maco: Was this an upgrade from Karmic?
[00:55] <ScottK> plasmoidviewer-appletsrc is a problem on karmic upgrades
[00:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: great, release is tomorr...today?
[00:57] <Riddell> sometime after the next sunrise
[00:57] <Quintasan> oh
[01:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://whatthecommit.com/
[01:03] <maco> ScottK: yes it is
[01:03] <maco> ScottK: ive had one working boot post-upgrade, but the last 2 have been crashy faily for plasma-netbook (desktop is fine) on my uer
[01:03] <maco> *user
[01:08] <ScottK> maco: rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*
[01:08] <ScottK> Then restart your session.
[02:01] <|dantti|> rickspencer3: in what language the ubiquity installer is written in?
[02:01] <|dantti|> :(
[02:01] <|dantti|> sorry
[02:01] <|dantti|> Riddell: ^^
[02:02] <rickspencer3> |dantti|, it's Python, I suppose
[02:02] <Riddell> he's right, PyKDE
[02:03] <Riddell> talking to d-i through some magic
[02:03]  * maco likes PyKDE
[02:03] <|dantti|> :(
[02:04] <|dantti|> I'd like to fix some stuff but I guess I should focus on kpk then...
[02:05] <Riddell> ubiquity needs more than a fix currently, it needs large parts rewritten to match the new gnome frontend
[02:05] <Riddell> I'll probably have to start on it after the 4.5 release
[02:06] <|dantti|> If you port it to cpp I'll be glad to help out :P
[02:08] <maco> Riddell:  can i code well enough in python to help?
[02:09] <Riddell> maco: only one way to find out
[02:09] <maco> im just not sure about time :(
[02:09] <maco> Riddell: when does it need to be done?
[02:10] <Riddell> toot sweet
[02:50] <maco> Riddell: toot sweet? youve been watching Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?  what does that have to do with "when does it need to be done?"??
[02:51] <Riddell> it's French
[02:52] <maco> Riddell: je ne parles pas francais
[02:52]  * maco waits for aurélien to come slap me for misspelling something in there
[04:31] <ScottK> Riddell: No new tarball for kde4libs?
[04:32] <ScottK> NCommander: In case you were wondering, kdebindings is still broken on armel with the revised tarballs: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53397178/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdebindings_4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:34] <ScottK> maco: Is there a DC area KDE 4.5 release party?
[04:39] <maco> ScottK: not that anyone's told me about
[04:39] <maco> ScottK: however novalug is having a linuxpicnic on saturday and it seems the dc loco and dc debian group are now aware of this fact so.... seems a good thing to tack on?
[04:40] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  I'll be busy on Saturday, so no opinion.
[04:41] <ScottK> That and you can't be the KDE spokeperson unless your plasma quits crashing.
[04:43] <maco> haha i do have 3 laptops running kubuntu, ya know :P
[04:43] <maco> though one of them is promised to slackware soonish. when i figure out how to pxe boot wirelessly...
[04:44] <maco> (in practice i think this means crossover capable to another laptop because i dont have a router)
[04:52]  * maco waits for dbg package to finish downloading (has been 5hr)
[05:34] <maco> weee finally submitting crash report
[07:14] <Optimus55> Hey i'm wondering if anyone can push me in the right direction. I'm a developer and I looking to improve graphic rendering in kubuntu to make it smoother. Should I be looking more into xorg and xserver or is plasma rendering what i should focus on instead?
[08:12] <LonghornGT_> Hello
[08:13] <LonghornGT_> Can anybody tell me who is kde maintainer on kubuntu?
[08:13] <maco> LonghornGT_: there's no such thing
[08:13] <maco> we dont have maintainers
[08:13] <maco> 10-15 people work as a team to package each release
[08:14] <LonghornGT_> OK, If I want to help u?
[08:15] <maco> i think 4.5 is packaged now, but if you know how to package the Kubuntu Ninjas could likely use help with the next kde release
[08:15] <maco> well with 4.5.1 and whatnot really
[08:15] <maco> but i dont think the europeans are up yet
[08:16] <maco> (i'm a past-bedtime american)
[08:16] <LonghornGT_> OK, how to get 4.5 FINAL in lucid?
[08:16] <maco> from a PPA
[08:16] <LonghornGT_> kubuntu-ppa/beta?
[08:16] <maco> at the moment its there
[08:16] <maco> it should be kubuntu-ppa/backports soon i think
[08:17] <maco> do you know about ubuntu's stable release update policy?
[08:17] <LonghornGT_> nope
[08:17] <maco> !sru | LonghornGT_, this is why 4.5 wont be in the main repo for lucid
[08:19] <LonghornGT_> u know guys I have an issue with ubiquity kde installer
[08:19] <LonghornGT_> it's slow AS HELL
[08:19] <LonghornGT_> Why?
[08:20] <LonghornGT_> Even on fast, really fast machines!
[08:21] <maco> its python?
[08:21] <maco> but it needs a redo in 10.10 to match the new one in ubuntu. Riddell said he's going to look at it, and umm well we'll see if my PyKDE skills are up to helping him
[08:22] <LonghornGT_> I have some concepts forinstaller
[08:22] <LonghornGT_> for installer
[08:25] <maco> a bit late for 10.10, but if you can make mockups or write it up detailed-like for discussion regarding 11.04...?
[08:25] <\sh> the installer is just still a frontend to the backend written by cjwatson, right?
[08:25] <maco> \sh: yes
[08:26] <maco> \sh: but the gui is being overhauled to match ubuntu's ubiquity gui
[08:26] <maco> \sh: good morning :)
[08:26] <\sh> maco: good morning to you too :)
[08:26] <maco> \sh: its actually very late at night here ;-)
[08:27] <LonghornGT_> Wait I'll find it in my archive
[08:27] <valorie> maco, don't you have work in the morning?
[08:27] <maco> valorie: yes
[08:27] <valorie> :-)
[08:27] <maco> valorie: im going to be tired again *sigh*
[08:27] <\sh> maco: company just starting to roll here..I came 2 hours earlier :(
[08:27] <valorie> go to bed!
[08:27] <valorie> sleep, perchance to dream
[08:28] <LonghornGT_> Here is the archive: http://www.filesovermiles.com/9092807baf4448d48d7f3391f06593cf
[08:28] <LonghornGT_> Have a look
[08:30] <LonghornGT_> Oh noes
[08:30] <LonghornGT_> Man who is seeding it is onoffline
[08:30] <\sh> .oO(I wonder if the installer will be faster, when its written in c++ with python embed calls under the hood to take advantage of the backend)
[08:44] <Nightrose> maco: if you're doing a release party kinda thing please add it to the wiki page
[08:45] <maco> Nightrose: officially, we're not... no kde party has been organised. theres a "hey its summer, linux geeks get together" linux picnic happening which i imagine may have a few kde users present....but i dont know
[08:45] <Nightrose> maco: the same was done for other parties
[08:45] <valorie> 2 or more KDEers get together and do cheers!
[08:45] <Nightrose> just add it
[08:46] <valorie> rah, rah, KDE!
[08:46] <Nightrose> :D
[08:46] <maco> ok. in the morning, after i look up the details of the picnic
[08:46] <Nightrose> ok
[08:46] <Nightrose> thx
[08:46] <valorie> too bad I don't have any KDE stickers for my lappy
[08:46] <valorie> there is a Linuxchix meeting tomorrow.....err, this evening
[09:14] <apachelogger> good morning kubuntu
[09:17] <apachelogger> maco: now, unless apport retrace did weid things I do not understand the crash appears to be in qca/qssl/ssl/crypto/libc :O
[09:18] <apachelogger> ah
[09:18] <apachelogger> it happens in the socket shutdown
[09:18] <apachelogger> that is random :S
[09:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[09:35] <ghostcube> o/
[09:40] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[09:58] <CIA-99> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/share/ (ShareDialog.cpp ShareDialog.h) ctor++
[09:58] <CIA-99> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/share/ (ContactSelector.cpp ContactSelector.h ShareDialog.cpp) * documentation++ * function naming fix (getAddresses() -> addresses())
[10:07] <CIA-99> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/share/ShareDialog.h documentation++
[10:11] <Riddell> agateau: pong
[10:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong
[10:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: I tried u1-kde in a fresh 10.10 vbox and it worked pretty well, except for the crash of ubuntu-sso-qt that maco got too
[10:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: and magically overnight my files got synced so it's working here too
[10:14] <apachelogger> brilliant
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll ask for alpha testing today then
[10:14] <apachelogger> once I fixed that ubuntu-sso crash
[10:20] <agateau> Riddell: what's the state of the soundmenu patch in Amarok?
[10:22] <Riddell> hmm
[10:23] <Riddell> agateau: it was added but seems to have been accidently dropped
[10:23] <Riddell> maybe it wasn't put into bzr so it didn't get inluded in the next puload
[10:23] <agateau> Riddell: ok, can you add it back?
[10:23] <Riddell> yes, will do
[10:24] <ulysses> apachelogger: with ubuntuone-kde alpha, the translation will open too?
[10:24] <apachelogger> no
[10:25] <agateau> Riddell: great
[10:34]  * Riddell starts copying over 4.5 to backports PPA
[10:40] <jussi> Riddell: awesome!
[11:09]  * apachelogger is wondering why a signal emission causes a random crash long after the signal was emitted
[11:17] <apachelogger> :O
[11:17] <apachelogger> beautiful
[11:17] <apachelogger> ubuntu-sso-client is the broken \o/
[11:18] <Riddell> shurly shome mishtake
[11:19] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:19] <apachelogger> the packaging is sort of not working at all
[11:20] <apachelogger> doesnt create dist-packages stuff
[11:20] <apachelogger> neither does it have all deps listed
[11:22] <Riddell> that's not unusual for packages from them
[11:23] <apachelogger> Depends: python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.6), python-support (>= 0.90.0)
[11:23] <apachelogger> let me correct myself ... it does have no deps listed
[11:23] <Riddell> that's not unusual for packages from them
[11:23] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:38] <apachelogger> does update-apt-xapi have to eat that much RAM Oo
[11:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't we change back to konqueror?
[11:38] <apachelogger> my install from yesterday still starts rekonq
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: actually nobody made that change, and since rekonq has now stopped randomly crashing I have no desire for it
[11:42] <apachelogger> ah, ok
[11:54] <apachelogger> hm
[11:55] <apachelogger> Riddell, maco: I think that crash in ubuntu-sso-qt might have been caused by glib or something ... cannot reproduce it anymore after todays upgrades...
[11:55] <Riddell> yay
[11:58] <apachelogger> oh
[11:58] <apachelogger> there it is
[11:58] <apachelogger> apparently it only happens in combination with the syncdaemon :O
[11:58] <Riddell> ** testers needed for 4.5.0 in lucid
[12:01] <jussi> Riddell: it isnt in the beta repo?
[12:05] <Riddell> jussi: well no, it's not a beta
[12:05] <Riddell> jussi: are you able to test it?
[12:05] <jussi> Riddell: Im installing it now :D
[12:05] <Riddell> jussi: where from?
[12:05] <jussi> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:05] <Riddell> groovy
[12:06] <apachelogger> 5 minutes into rekonq and crash :/
[12:08] <jussi> Riddell: has the full release not built/been copied over?
[12:08] <jussi> Get:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ lucid/main libqt4-dbg 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4
[12:08] <markus____> hi! i also try to update to 4.5.0 from 4.5rc2 (kubuntu beta repo). most packages are blocked.
[12:09] <jussi> markus____: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:10] <jussi> Riddell: or is Qt still a beta?
[12:10] <markus____> jussi: yes, i try to use  ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:10]  * jussi is all confuzzled
[12:11] <markus____> oh, qt seems not to be blocked. i try that first
[12:12] <Riddell> jussi: yes qt 4.7 is not yet released
[12:12] <apachelogger> now I cannot reproduce the crash -.-
[12:12] <apachelogger> this is one silly issue right there
[12:12] <Riddell> markus____: what are you using to upgrade?
[12:13] <markus____> kpackagekit
[12:13] <markus____> it says 266 packages blocked or so.
[12:13] <markus____> synaptic or apt-get tries to remove kde, koffice and so on
[12:14] <sheytan> hey guys
[12:14] <sheytan> same here
[12:14] <Riddell> markus____: can you pastebin the output of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ?
[12:14] <sheytan> blocked packages :D
[12:16] <markus____> Ridell: hmm, seemed that libqt4-webkit-dev blocks the qt update. i removed it. now, kpackagekit is updating qt4
[12:17] <sheytan> Riddell take a look ;) http://pastebin.com/AG5yv7eC
[12:17] <markus____> Ridell: after that, i'll give you an update
[12:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: the X stuff I was talking about yesterday: http://imgur.com/9m5UU http://imgur.com/0c0VO
[12:18] <jussi> cripes, good thing you guys mentioned it... I didnt read properly :/ same here.
[12:19] <yoann21> Riddel: with the aptitude output, it seems to be kdelibs which isn't uploaded
[12:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah, known issue, KDM seems to timeout on the live CD
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is not the CD, but an install :S
[12:20] <Riddell> yoann21 may have cracked it
[12:22] <sheytan> Hey
[12:22] <sheytan> i upgraded to 4.5 on maveric
[12:22] <sheytan> and i have big stuff :D
[12:22] <sheytan> shot on the way
[12:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep kdepim is still in ninja
[12:23] <shadeslayer> i still have to backport it to lucid... will do that tommorow
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: so why is that dialog GTK?
[12:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah, great
[12:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: because nobody has ported it to use kdialog :(
[12:25] <shadeslayer> and then one of these days ill actually get my head around that patch in kdepim and fix it
[12:25] <apachelogger> :/
[12:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you happen to know where that stuff is?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> anyone know http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001400985381 ??
[12:26] <yofel> apachelogger: failsave X is in x11-common
[12:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer
[12:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: although I don't know if kdialog supports all the options used by zenity there
[12:27] <apachelogger> what this world needs is less scripting :P
[12:29] <markus____> Riddell: seems there are some more packages missing, other than kdelibs. e.g. libplasma3
[12:34] <shadeslayer> heh... i have half of kde waiting to be updated... :P
[12:34] <shadeslayer> and X as well
[12:35] <shadeslayer> only good thing is that my download speed is 10x right now...
[12:35] <Riddell> markus____: still being published
[12:36] <markus____> Riddell: i'll wait. thanks a lot for your work.
[12:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw the builders are chroots/pbuilders or VM's ?
[12:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what builders?
[12:37] <shadeslayer> LP buildd
[12:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: how would you check for KDE in failsafe?
[12:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't think you can reliable, you just check if kdialog is installed and use it if it is
[12:38] <apachelogger> k
[12:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw kdenetwork isnt picking up libortp
[12:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you haven't committed any changes to kdenetwork
[12:40] <shadeslayer> yes i know, the changes are local
[12:40] <shadeslayer> i was testing it out in a cowbuilder and it didnt pick up libortp
[12:41] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/KRNDv
[12:41]  * shadeslayer gives apachelogger kookie
[12:47] <Riddell> ok kde4libs should be in the PPA now
[12:47] <Riddell> markus____: please try update and dist-upgrading
[12:47] <markus____> Ridell: I'm already on it! thanks
[12:49] <jussi> Riddell: ahh, so now its only: libqt4-webkit-dev that will be removed.
[12:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should ubuntu one kde now work?
[12:51] <Riddell> jussi: that's fine to go
[12:51] <jussi> excellent :)
[12:52] <shadeslayer> hmm.. stuck at connecting to cloud :(
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^
[12:55] <markus____> Riddell: same for me as for nerdy_kid. smooth install, loggin out/in
[12:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get some dbg output
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ubuntu-sso says nothing and look http://pastebin.com/XU3qDucw
[12:58] <apachelogger> hmm
[12:58] <apachelogger> oh right
[12:58] <apachelogger> ubuntu-sso needs special compile switch to get qDebug working
[12:58] <shadeslayer> :S
[13:00] <shadeslayer> installing dbg symbols as well
[13:00] <ulysses> oh my god, 161 package to upgrade
[13:00] <shadeslayer> ulysses: yeah :D
[13:00] <shadeslayer> most of kde* i believe..
[13:00] <shadeslayer> also known as " Upstream messed up tarballs "
[13:01] <ulysses> shadeslayer: yes, 4.5.0-0ubuntu1 to 4.5.0b-0ubuntu2
[13:01] <ulysses> is this the final KDE 4.5 release?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/kKLY35Q8
[13:01] <shadeslayer> incase you missed it
[13:02] <apachelogger> brrr
[13:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdialog can only be sized using X' -geometry which also requires placement relative to a screenedge -.-
[13:03] <shadeslayer> ulysses: hold off on upgrading id say
[13:03] <shadeslayer> we need new kdebase :(
[13:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I put that fix in last night
[13:05] <shadeslayer> ah ok good to know.... i was looking at kdebase instead of runtime :S
[13:05] <shadeslayer> ulysses: upgrades ftw :D
[13:09] <markus____> Riddell: upgrade successfully finished.
[13:11] <shadeslayer> any ideas why kdenetwork isnt picking up libortp
[13:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the version in bzr doesn't build-dep on libortp
[13:12] <shadeslayer> yes i know, but i made it build dep on my machine and now cmake output says it doesnt find libortp
[13:14] <Riddell> build-dep of what?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> hold on :P
[13:15] <sheytan> looks like everytime there's  a problem with packages for kde build the first time :D
[13:15] <sheytan> stuff needs fixes :D
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/VQhRyizK
[13:15] <shadeslayer> line 20
[13:16] <Riddell> should be fine
[13:16] <shadeslayer> it isnt :(
[13:16] <Riddell> if it's not being picked up maybe that's an issue with the new 3.3.2 version
[13:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/2QavMTjd
[13:18] <markus____> oh no, rekonq loses scrollbars when opening a new tab
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: err... libraries have extensions .a or .so ?
[13:19] <markus____> and hp-systray messes up the system tray ..
[13:19] <shadeslayer> because if its .a .... were in trouble
[13:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: .a is static libraries, .so dynamic libraries
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ohk
[13:22] <shadeslayer> still doesnt explain why kdenetwork isnt picking up ortp
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53329691/linphone_3.3.2-2_amd64.build
[13:23] <ulysses> shadeslayer: Muon upgrades just now:D
[13:23] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:27] <ulysses> reboot
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ok.. if libktorrent is in main, why doesnt kdenetwork dep on it ? :
[13:27] <sheytan> apachelogger you're workin on muon, right? :)
[13:28] <shadeslayer> sheytan: that would be jte
[13:28] <sheytan> here's not here
[13:28] <sheytan> anyway
[13:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger is currently working on getting ubuntu-one kde to actually work on maverick
[13:28] <sheytan> when i remove kpk and install muon, will i have updates notifications etc?
[13:29] <shadeslayer> tbh those notifications freak me out
[13:29] <shadeslayer> and they refuse to go away :(
[13:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: no
[13:30] <ulysses> Muon doesn't use notifications this time
[13:30] <sheytan> this sucks. bad tranlsation for kpk kcm breaks my systesettings layout
[13:30] <ulysses> o.O
[13:31] <ulysses> yesterday my Kickoff became english, now its hungarian again, wtf?
[13:31] <shadeslayer> ulysses: cache issue?
[13:31] <ulysses> however it was better in English in some place…
[13:31] <Riddell> -- Found libortp: /usr/lib/libortp.so
[13:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works fine here
[13:32] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:32] <shadeslayer> ill go nuts ...
[13:32]  * jussi hugs bdrung
[13:32] <bdrung> jussi: why?
[13:32] <bdrung> hi, a kubuntu developer here having time for looking at one sponsor request?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats with my control file ?
[13:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no with bzr one
[13:34] <Riddell> bdrung: what's needed?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[13:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: weird, your pastebin includes "--   found ortp, version 0.16.3" but then it says it's not found further down
[13:34] <bdrung> Riddell: bug #614610
[13:34] <shadeslayer> err
[13:35] <bdrung> some kubuntu user should sponsor it (and not me)
[13:36] <jussi> I have a question, why is konversation still in main? we dont include it as default, do we?
[13:36] <jussi> (Im probably missing something obvious, but yeah)
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what do you suggest? upload as such to ppa and see what happens? :P
[13:39] <nigelb> jussi: main is not what is in CD
[13:39] <nigelb> main is what is supported by Canonical.
[13:39] <nigelb> (thats the answer I got when I asked for something else)
[13:44] <Riddell> jussi: it's on the dvd
[13:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: purge and reinstall anything linphone related?
[13:46]  * Trouble scrubs Riddell
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: err.. its a clean cowbuilder
[13:52] <shadeslayer> nothing apart from standard packages :(
[13:53] <Riddell> let me try in a pbuilder
[13:53] <Riddell> but first, drum roll needed please...
[13:53] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:54]  * shadeslayer gets out his vuvuzvela
[13:54] <shadeslayer> *vuvuzela
[13:55]  * ulysses takes his friend's drum
[13:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ssup with the ruckus we are about to create? :P
[13:58] <Riddell> ta da kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[13:58] <Riddell> http://kde.org/announcements/4.5/
[13:58] <shadeslayer> oic
[13:58] <Riddell> http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/10/kde-releases-development-platform-applications-and-plasma-workspaces-450
[13:58] <shadeslayer> awesome :D
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently there are many people showing off ubuntu in malls and i dont know about it 0_o
[14:02] <ulysses> now I have to translate the announcements
[14:03] <shadeslayer> and the mall is like... 15 mins away :P
[14:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go and show them Kubuntu!
[14:06] <shadeslayer> i know! :P
[14:06] <shadeslayer> ill keep track of this stuff from now on ...
[14:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdialog porting finished, now I just need to think about how to add kdm to the mix
[14:08] <shadeslayer> lulz Waiting for Riddell to finish his ritual shower so we can release !KDE ☛ SC 4.5.0 !TMI ☛
[14:12] <apachelogger> "The Linux Mint 9 KDE desktop contains the blue Isadora background, which helps differentiate from the blander looking Kubuntu that it is based on. "
[14:12] <apachelogger> I am not sure at contributor to which project I should be more insulted now
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you just read my mind
[14:12] <shadeslayer> imho we should provide a better wallpaper
[14:13] <shadeslayer> or make kde ship a better one
[14:14] <shadeslayer> people are not going to be happy with this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ5MA
[14:14] <apachelogger> what is wrong with the KDE wallpaper?
[14:15] <apachelogger> did you see what mint distributes?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its pretty bad imo
[14:15] <apachelogger> I could make a better one using a random gimp filter on some random 2 colored image
[14:15] <shadeslayer> havent seen mint
[14:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/isadora/kde/isadora.png
[14:16] <shadeslayer> well.... not that good too... id rather have blue curls as my default wallpaper
[14:17] <ulysses> shadeslayer: like the Emotion wallpaper in KDE?
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ulysses: thats my second choice :p
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> we actually had Emotion as default in 8.04 for a little bit
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> but people complained
[14:19] <shadeslayer> ulysses: http://imgur.com/8iwif
[14:19] <shadeslayer> i have both of them as my desktop wallpapers :P
[14:20] <ulysses> :)
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: err.. what changes did you make to get it to find ortp?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> and which bzr revision ?
[14:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nothing, I just installed libortp-dev locally
[14:22] <shadeslayer> oh i see
[14:23] <apachelogger> rekonq crash #2
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: down from 20 :P
[14:24] <apachelogger> 2 crashes in less than a day are 2 too many
[14:31] <apachelogger> hm
[14:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdm does not support defining Xorg config via argument :S
[14:33] <apachelogger> oh dear, I have 3 GiB of mail ^^
[14:46] <Riddell> seems ryan has moved to Kubuntu for his KDE reviews http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/08/hands-on-kde-45-launches-with-tiling-new-notifications.ars
[14:48] <\sh> apachelogger: kdm 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 <- 4.5.0b?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ok gtg.. bye people
[14:48] <apachelogger> \sh: new tarball
[14:49] <\sh> apachelogger: so it's the right version of kde sc 4.5.0 from kubuntu backports ppa
[14:49] <apachelogger> \sh: should be, Riddell knows more
[14:49] <debfx> apachelogger: do your rekonq crashes look like this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245078 ?
[14:49] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[14:50] <\sh> Riddell: thx :) well done :) just installing
[14:53] <apachelogger> debfx: haven't looked at them yet
[14:56] <apachelogger> oha
[14:56] <apachelogger> bko just died
[14:56] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:57] <apachelogger> debfx: no
[14:57] <apachelogger> if I had to guess I would say both were caused by flash
[14:59] <apachelogger> defenitely not in javascript though
[15:00]  * ScottK should have stayed up later last night and finished fixing kdegraphics while he had the chance.
[15:08] <Riddell> ScottK: it's fixed n'est pas?
[15:08] <ScottK> Riddell: It is.  That's why I should have finished fixing it last night, so I'd have done it and not you.
[15:18] <apachelogger> brrrrr
[15:18] <apachelogger> bash is scary
[15:18] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd really appreciate it if you would squeeze clamav and wesnoth backports (approved) for Karmic/Lucid onto your archive admin work list for today.
[15:21] <Riddell> ScottK: numbers?
[15:22] <ScottK> Bug #615411 for clamav
[15:22] <ScottK> Bug #600100 for wesnoth1.8
[15:23] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[15:27] <\sh> hmmm...why does kmail still needing gpg-agent for signing?
[15:29] <Riddell> why shouldn't it?
[15:31] <\sh> Riddell: because it's not started by default when kde session starts up
[15:31] <\sh> eventually tweaking /etc/X11/Xsession.options
[15:31] <\sh> but that would byte someone with GNOMEs seahorse afaik
[15:32] <Riddell> this is why we need those kolabsys guys to actually turn up and check these things
[15:34] <ScottK> \sh: To the extent it's a problem for Seahorse, it's a Seahorse bug.
[15:38] <\sh> ScottK: yes...but somehow seahorse is started during gnome session start, and not via Xsession.{d,options}...only ssh agent is started during X11 session start...I wonder what would be a sane default for kde...starting gpg-agent during kde session startup or globally via Xsession.options
[15:38] <apachelogger> right then
[15:38] <apachelogger> rekonq also likes to lock up on me
[15:38] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:38] <apachelogger> I am unable to work
[15:40] <ScottK> \sh: gpg-agent isn't at all KDE specific.  It would be odd for it to behave differently in KDE versus non-KDE sessions.
[15:40] <ScottK> The fact that Gnome reinvented the wheel and doesn't use standard tools doesn't change that.
[15:42] <apachelogger> halp? http://paste.ubuntu.com/475968/
[15:42] <\sh> ScottK: there is no discussion about reinventing the wheel..fact is: gpg-agent is not started up during X11 or KDE session startup. User has to manually enable it somehow through "not really well" documented configs ... therefore, having gpg-agent starting while kde starts up or system wide (which bytes dual desktop users)
[15:43] <ScottK> \sh: It is started if Seahorse isn't installed.
[15:43] <ScottK> IIRC Seahorse mangles the gpg-agent config somehow to work around it's own brokenness.
[15:43] <ScottK> It certainly starts on any system I've got.
[15:43] <maco> not anymore1
[15:44] <ScottK> No?
[15:44] <maco> remember? i wrote a patch for seahorse so on first-run itd put the proper skeleton file in that says "use-agent" rather than a blank one
[15:44] <ScottK> I remember that.
[15:44] <\sh> ScottK: seahorse is installed, but it's not started...so kde starts without anything alike
[15:45] <ScottK> Right, but if Seahorse isn't installed, does gpg-agent start?
[15:45] <maco> though if your ~/.gnupg/ is older than 2009, yeah, you still have a mangled (ie blank) one
[15:46] <\sh> hmmm...you mean s/# use-agent/use-agent/ in gpg.conf will help?
[15:46] <maco> \sh: yep
[15:46] <\sh> when my gpg.conf is older then < 2009
[15:47] <maco> i dont have seahorse on this laptop but i do have my gpg.conf from my other laptops where i have "use-agent" in there, and kmail can decrypt emails fine
[15:47] <\sh> maco: well, but use-agent in gpg.conf doesn't tell anything to actually start the agent...
[15:47] <ScottK> \sh: You do need that though.
[15:48] <\sh> and having gnome + kde on this box, I don't see seahorse when running kde, but I don't see gpg-agent, too
[15:48] <maco> seahorse ships an incompatible agent called seahorse-agent
[15:48] <maco> if you dont have use-agent, seahorse-agent will still try to start, and kdepim cant speak whatever language seahorse-agent does
[15:48] <Quintasan> teeesting upgrade
[15:48] <maco> (at least, thats how things seemed to work when i was debugging this in early 2009)
[15:49] <\sh> maco: give me a sec...I'll relogin :)
[15:49] <Quintasan> borks on kdebase-runtime
[15:50] <Quintasan> oh wait
[15:50] <Quintasan> builds are not finished yet?
[15:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: can't we get higher priority?
[15:54] <Riddell> I'd rather soyuz just fixed the issue where arch all packages cause hassle for unbuilt versions on !i386
[15:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know who works on kopete?
[15:55] <ScottK> It'd be nice to get Bug 614627 fixed.
[15:57] <Riddell> ScottK: no, I've lost track of who the kopete upstream is, I suspect it's quite quiet as an upstream currently
[15:57] <ScottK> Maybe agateau could have a look at it for us?
[15:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for the backports.
[15:57] <allee> FWIW: file confict in 4.4.5 -> 4.5 upgrade: libqt4-help could not be installed because: qt_help_cs.pm (?) was also in another pkg.  #$%@ konsole history is too short, can remember the other pkgs
[15:58] <agateau> ScottK: what do you want me to look at?
[15:58] <ScottK> If \sh returns, would someone tell him that gpg-agent should be started by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent
[15:58] <ScottK> agateau: Bug 614627
[16:00]  * apachelogger curses bash for being stupid regarding string escapes and starts hacking
[16:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you are not the only one :/
[16:03] <Quintasan> wel
[16:08] <\sh> maco: works
[16:09] <\sh> maco: thx for the heads up :)
[16:11] <shtylman> upgrade to 4.5 didn't go so well :)
[16:12] <\sh> Riddell and all people who were working on 4.5.0 packages: well done people...it works like a charm :)
[16:14] <agateau> ScottK: is it possible for you to reduce the size of the window, or is it already at the minimum possible size?
[16:14] <Riddell> bdrung: patch: **** malformed patch at line 1928: diff -Nru konversation-1.3.1/debian/rules konversation-1.3.1/debian/rules
[16:14] <ScottK> agateau: There's no way to minimize it.
[16:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: isnt it possible to enforce size with KWin rules?
[16:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes, but it appears kopete is not paying attention.
[16:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:16] <ScottK> That may well be the actual bug.
[16:16] <agateau> ScottK: that's weird because on my box it does not show this tall
[16:17] <ScottK> agateau: I maximized it to try to get more space, but it didn't work either way.
[16:17] <Quintasan> wekk
[16:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: it is possible to enforce size
[16:17] <Riddell> bdrung: did it by hand, uploaded
[16:17] <Quintasan> however
[16:18] <ScottK> I need to run.
[16:18] <agateau> ScottK: judging from the window title icon, it is not maximized
[16:18] <Quintasan> agateau: http://imagebin.ca/view/YNyLLPDT.html
[16:18] <Quintasan> enforcing wont help
[16:18] <Quintasan> this is how it looks after enforce
[16:19] <ScottK> agateau: I need to go to a $WORK meeting, so maybe we can chat about it later.  I'm very interested in getting this fixed, but have to go.
[16:19] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[16:19] <shtylman> dolphin: Depends: libsoprano4 (>= 2.5.0+dfsg.1) but 2.4.2+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1.1 is installed.
[16:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:19] <shtylman> any one else run into this trying to install 4.5?
[16:19] <shtylman> in lucid that is
[16:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you know how can we add default rules for KWin?
[16:20] <agateau> Quintasan: that's a very small size, minimum size for a kde dialog is 800x600
[16:20] <shtylman> for some reason libsoprano4 wasn't being upgraded by default
[16:20] <Quintasan> agateau: well, after enforcing to a smaller size it works
[16:20] <Quintasan> dunno why it is full-screened in ScottKs netbook
[16:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: default rules?
[16:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: like enforcing size of a window
[16:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: why would you want to?
[16:21]  * agateau think we should get rid of the page title
[16:21] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: just curious, we do it in k-d-s, right?
[16:22] <Riddell> shtylman: have you added the backports PPA?
[16:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: no, we did for one release and it was a mistake
[16:22] <Quintasan> oh, okay
[16:23] <ScottK> maco: http://obso1337.org/2010/kde-4-5-released/
[16:23] <Riddell> pirates!  why didn't I get to go to pirates?
[16:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think next release party should be @ Ninjaz
[16:25] <shtylman> Riddell: yea
[16:26] <Riddell> shtylman: and what happens if you apt-get install libsoprano4 ?
[16:26] <shtylman> I got that installed
[16:26] <shtylman> and got further in the install
[16:26] <shtylman> now I get:
[16:26] <shtylman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:26] <shtylman>   kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdebase-runtime-data (>= 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2) but 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is installed
[16:26] <rbelem> hey agateau
[16:26] <shtylman> which is ... strange...
[16:27] <agateau> hi rbelem
[16:27] <rbelem> :-)
[16:27] <rbelem> agateau, do you think it is ok to have the ksambashareprivate as singleton?
[16:28] <Riddell> shtylman: kdebase-runtime-data is still compiling, you'll need to wait 30 minutes
[16:28] <shtylman> to me they look like the same version...
[16:28] <shtylman> Riddell: sadness
[16:28] <shtylman> then technically people can't upgrade right?
[16:28] <agateau> rbelem: my question would rather be, why do you need it to be a singleton?
[16:28] <shtylman> cause runtime data is an important component, no?
[16:28] <Riddell> shtylman: not on amd64 at the moment (it's a temporary thing caused by making a small fix, sigh)
[16:28] <shtylman> :/
[16:29] <shtylman> probly best to make a note on the site or something
[16:29] <shtylman> lest users try
[16:30] <rbelem> agateau, because we will have lots of instance of ksambasharedata, and some method are used by ksambashare and ksambasharedata
[16:30] <agateau> rbelem: Isn't KSambaShare already a singleton?
[16:31] <rbelem> yep
[16:31] <rbelem> but i could not use the private methods on the ksambasharedata
[16:32] <rbelem> agateau, maybe i should split ksambashareprivate in two?
[16:33] <agateau> rbelem: I think it would not be too difficult to access the private methods
[16:34] <agateau> rbelem: just make KSambaShareData a friend of KSambaShare and use its d pointer
[16:35] <rbelem> agateau, that could work nice :-)
[16:36] <rbelem> agateau, but it will not be a little bit ugly?
[16:36] <rbelem> or  not?
[16:36] <agateau> rbelem: KSambaShare and KSambaShareData are supposed to work together so I am not shocked by this
[16:36] <rbelem> cool :-)
[16:37] <agateau> rbelem: but you may want to check whether the KSambaSharePrivate methods you want to call from KSambaShareData could not simply be moved to KSambaShareData
[16:37] <agateau> rbelem: are they used by KSambaShare as well? if not, just move them
[16:38] <rbelem> agateau, how about the add and remove methods on ksambashare? there is one method save on ksambasharedata that does almost the same
[16:40] <rbelem> agateau, there are some methods that are used just by ksambasharedata, but they use common methods
[16:40] <agateau> rbelem: I don't have the code handy just right now, I guess it's up to you to use what feels the more convenient
[16:41] <rbelem> agateau, cool :-)
[16:41] <agateau> rbelem: but accessing the private instance through the d pointer is not a problem, and is better IMHO than making KSambaSharePrivate a singleton
[16:41] <rbelem> ok :-)
[16:42] <rbelem> agateau, should i replace all d_ptr by Q_D?
[16:42] <rbelem> or is it ok to be as it is today?
[16:43] <agateau> rbelem: I don't think there is a strong policy on this
[16:43] <agateau> rbelem: the rest of kdelibs is not consistent on that point
[16:44] <rbelem> agateau, what would you use? :-)
[16:46] <rbelem> agateau, you are my master :-) I will do what you say I should do
[16:46] <rbelem> :-D
[16:48] <maco> Riddell: you didnt get to go to Piratz because the metro stuff was all closed, remember? Also, ScottK's daughter hates Piratz Tavern due to the skeleton on the wall
[16:49] <apachelogger> rekonq crash #3
[16:50] <maco> apachelogger: are you hoping to discover what lim --> \infty  means?
[16:51] <apachelogger> lol
[16:51] <apachelogger> something like that ^^
[16:54] <agateau> rbelem: not sure I want to be the master of anyone. Both works well, if your code is consistent with one way, just carry on
[16:54] <rbelem> agateau, :-D
[16:58] <bdrung> Riddell: thanks. what was the reason for not applying cleanly?
[16:59] <bdrung> Riddell: next time please don't forgot to unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[17:15] <rbelem> hi Riddell
[17:16] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm thinking about fork the startkde script for plasma-mobile
[17:17] <rbelem> Riddell, and add it to the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[17:21] <howlymowly> hi guys...  short question:  I am about to install KDE 4.5  .. but when I do "sudo aptie update" sudo aptitude upgrade"  i get all the packages from the ppa but they are beeing "kept back" by the update manager...
[17:21] <howlymowly> any idea?
[17:22] <DarthFrog> howlymowly: This is not the place to ask such questions.  Ask(as you did) in #kubuntu.
[17:22] <rbelem> brb
[17:22] <howlymowly> kk..
[17:24] <Riddell> bdrung: I don't know why it didn't apply
[17:24] <Riddell> bdrung: there shouldn't be a need to unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors since the bug is closed
[17:33] <debfx> rekonq is still crashy
[17:33] <debfx> what ahppended to the daily builds?
[17:33] <bdrung> Riddell: it's described in the docs and having the team removed makes the sponsor script faster
[17:36] <Riddell> bdrung: then the script can jolly well unsubscribe them if it needs it :)
[17:37] <bdrung> Riddell: it makes searching for SRU bugs easier
[17:39] <bdrung> (= searching for bugs that are fixed)
[17:43] <Quintasan> DarthFrog: why on earth this is not the right place?
[17:44] <Quintasan> howlymowly: this might be because some KDE builds were not finished (and not pubished) yet when I last tried, you will have to try again later
[17:44] <Quintasan> howlymowly: well, now it is fine
[17:47] <howlymowly> Quintasan: its about doing a "full-upgrade" instead of just an "upgrade" i just found out...
[17:49] <Quintasan> howlymowly: sudo aptitude
[17:49] <Quintasan> press 'u'
[17:49] <Quintasan> or wait
[17:49] <howlymowly> Quintasan: yes, "sudo aptitude full-upgrade"
[17:50] <Quintasan> howlymowly: can you please try doing upgrade via KPackageKit?
[17:50] <dantti_note> Riddell: the backports source has always lucid as archive string?
[17:50] <howlymowly> Quintasan: too late i guess :(
[17:50] <Quintasan> :<
[17:50] <howlymowly> but I tried with KpackageKit before and that did not work because of the reasons mentioned earlier
[17:51] <dantti_note> Riddell: I'm trying to fix it to emit these backport stuff as enhancement (rather than bug fixes as it's now) ORIGIN: LP-PPA-kubuntu-ppa-backports - ARQUIVE: lucid
[17:52] <dantti_note> the python apt logic was to see if ARQUIVE ends with backports
[17:52] <dantti_note> but it's actually the origin that ends with
[17:53] <howlymowly> Quintasan: did you change something in the repository in the last 10 min or so? because if nothing has changed in the last 15min I can assure you: upgrade to kde 4.5 via kpackagekit does not work...
[17:55] <howlymowly> alright poeple... my upgrade to kde 4.5 is done I am off now, trying out the new features :)
[17:56] <Riddell> dantti_note: it uses the current distro release, for 10.04 that's lucid, for 10.10 maverick
[17:57] <dantti_note> Riddell: right so the best thing is to see if ORIGIN ends with backports right?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> uh oh
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: FF is in 2 days? :O
[17:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: wibble
[17:57] <Riddell> dantti_note: yes
[17:58]  * shadeslayer faints...
[17:58]  * shadeslayer hits kdenetwork in hope that it will detect ortp
[17:58] <Riddell> dantti_note: that's our backports PPA of course, there's also the ubuntu backports repository
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ok Quintasan you up?
[17:59] <dantti_note> Riddell: do you know if their ORIGIN ends with backports too?
[18:00] <Riddell> dantti_note: how would I know?  sources line is   deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[18:01] <dantti_note> k, I'll just add a generic case then
[18:01] <Riddell> shtylman: how's your 4.5 update going?
[18:04] <shtylman> Riddell: finally back up and running
[18:04] <shtylman> for some reason kmail doesn't pull in its dependencies
[18:04] <shtylman> I had to install some libs manually
[18:05] <shtylman> and when I tried to install kubuntu-desktop.. it ididn't want to install kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:05] <shtylman> so some manual install was needed
[18:06] <Riddell> hum
[18:06] <Riddell> why didn't it want to install kdebase-workspace-bin ?
[18:07] <shtylman> no idea
[18:08] <shtylman> but I could manually install it just fine
[18:08] <shtylman> and the kmail thing was weird
[18:08] <shtylman> cause I had kmail installed
[18:08] <Quintasan> shtylman: yes
[18:08] <shtylman> but couldn't run it cause runtime libs were missing
[18:08] <Quintasan> shtylman: meant for shadeslayer :P
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ok, see im introducing libortp as a build dep of kdenetwork to get google voice chat support
[18:09] <Quintasan> urgh
[18:09] <Quintasan> Is it in main?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> but in cmake output it doesnt say that way, the lib is detected, but cmake complains about not finding it
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: it will be, when Riddell uses his powers :D
[18:10] <Quintasan> great
[18:10] <Quintasan> fist of all
[18:10] <shadeslayer> already MIR'd
[18:10] <Quintasan> is the version newer than required?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes
[18:10] <shadeslayer> bug 595173
[18:10] <shadeslayer> i syncd the package from debian
[18:11] <Quintasan> great
[18:11] <Quintasan> and what exacly cmake says?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/2QavMTjd
[18:11] <shadeslayer> thats from cowbuilder
[18:12] <shadeslayer> line 1619 first
[18:12] <Quintasan> -- Not building Google Talk libjingle support
[18:12] <Quintasan> cmake
[18:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes, but see 1619
[18:13] <shadeslayer> --   found ortp, version 0.16.3
[18:14] <Quintasan> hmmm
[18:14] <Quintasan> strangs
[18:14] <Quintasan> strange*
[18:14] <shadeslayer> i know.. i call it freaky
[18:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ask in #kopete
[18:17] <Quintasan> it might be a problem with CMake rules
[18:17] <Quintasan> better
[18:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: read CMake rules and check what it needs to enable libjingle
[18:18] <Quintasan> if it doesnt need anything else then bug upstream
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: macro_log_feature(LIBORTP_FOUND "libortp" "oRTP provides an API to send rtp packets" "http://www.linphone.org/index.php/eng/code_review/ortp" FALSE "0.13" "Needed to build Jingle support, Google Talk libjingle audio call support and voice clips in WLM.") << hmm
[18:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also whats wrong with  bug 603831 ??
[18:21] <Quintasan> that would be the line
[18:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: do as he told you, generate another diff
[18:22] <shadeslayer> why?
[18:22] <Quintasan> he probably wants to check if the changes are really kept to minimum
[18:22] <shadeslayer> the current debian version _is_ -4
[18:22] <Quintasan> sooo?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> ohh.... you mean...
[18:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the diff is b/w ubuntu old and ubuntu new
[18:23] <shadeslayer> and he wants diff b/w ubuntu new and debian new
[18:23] <Quintasan> oh
[18:23] <Quintasan> well, what I said still applies
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:24] <Quintasan> roll out the damn launchpad faster
[18:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: help me fix kdenetwork first
[18:25] <shadeslayer> also.. Riddell said that when he compiled it worked
[18:25] <Quintasan> use pbuilder then
[18:25] <Quintasan> or
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i did use cowbuilder
[18:26] <Quintasan> put the debian dir somewhere
[18:26] <Quintasan> and gimmie the link to source
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ok hold on
[18:26]  * Quintasan is too lazy to open a browser
[18:27] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kdenetwork_4.5.0b-0ubuntu2.debian.tar.gz
[18:28] <Quintasan> I demand source tarball too
[18:30] <Quintasan> why the hell shift+esc is bind to restart X?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: just : pull-lp-source kdenetwork
[18:33] <Quintasan> huh
[18:33] <Quintasan> that is new to me
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we also have pull-debian-source :P
[18:39]  * Quintasan never botherd looking at dev-scripts
[18:39] <Quintasan> I have considered them useless after seeing kubuntu-dev-scripts :P
[18:43] <dantti_note> on the package list header should it be 232 Selected Updates or Updates Selected http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopig1502?
[18:43] <dantti_note> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopig1502
[18:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: #kopete is dead
[18:47] <shadeslayer> what does your testing tell
[18:51]  * shadeslayer pokes Quintasan with kubuntu stick of doom
[18:52] <shadeslayer> because im going to sleep in 10 mins
[18:53] <Quintasan> my testing builds
[18:53] <Quintasan> let me look
[18:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: are you on kde-packagers ml?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:55] <Quintasan> did you have to file a bugreport? :O
[18:55] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[18:55] <Quintasan> lol
[18:55] <shadeslayer> i know... quite lol
[18:56] <Quintasan> gimmie the bug report
[18:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I will do a copypasta
[18:56] <Quintasan> urgh
[18:56] <Quintasan> my internets are slow today
[18:57] <shadeslayer> copypasta... new pasta?
[18:57] <Quintasan> yeah
[18:57] <shadeslayer> lemme search
[18:57] <Quintasan> ctrl+c and ctrl+v
[18:57] <shadeslayer> uh.. i might not have it
[18:57] <Quintasan> voila!
[18:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer:enter ur bugzilla account
[18:58] <Quintasan> and click on My Bugs
[18:58] <Quintasan> :O
[18:58] <shadeslayer> yeah im going there
[18:59] <shadeslayer> hmm no  bugs there :/
[18:59] <shadeslayer> related to my request
[19:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: just file a request saying that you work with kubuntu to package kde
[19:02] <Quintasan> kk
[19:02] <Quintasan> monitoring pbuilder for now
[19:02] <Quintasan> not detected here
[19:03] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^^ jingle not being built :/
[19:03] <shadeslayer> :?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[19:03] <shadeslayer> im going to sleep :|
[19:06] <yofel> hm, does sorting by 'status' or 'requested' in the list after pressing full upgrade work for anyone? here it sorts alphabetically no matter what column I sort by
[19:06] <yofel> in muon
[19:29] <shtylman> Riddell: no new kdevelop?
[19:29] <shtylman> I can't install kdevelop cause it wants to downgrade packages
[19:56] <Riddell> shtylman: from the PPA?
[19:56] <Riddell> I've not checked kdevelop, it probably depends on some kdebase library which has changed
[19:57] <shtylman> Riddell: yea... sadness :(
[19:58] <Riddell> just needs someone to backport 4.0.1, probably no changes needed
[19:59]  * Riddell looks around for idle souls
[20:01]  * neversfelde hides
[20:01] <neversfelde> Riddell: backport from Maverick?
[20:01] <Riddell> neversfelde: from maverick to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:02] <neversfelde> k, I'll have a look, but I have a netbook available only, so it might take some time
[20:02] <Riddell> neversfelde: do you want access to my backroom computer?
[20:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: do you know how to sign packages remotely?
[20:05] <Riddell> not off hand but I seem to remember it's pretty easy
[20:05] <neversfelde> I think sould be no problem to do it here
[20:05] <Riddell> man debsign will know
[20:06] <neversfelde> Riddell: I'll check it for the next time
[20:07] <shtylman> Riddell: also... libsoprano-dev has dependency issues
[20:07] <shtylman> cause it depends on a specific version of libsoprano4 that is less than the one available/installed
[20:08] <Riddell> shtylman: installs fine here
[20:08] <Riddell> all version 2.5.0+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[20:08] <shtylman> :/
[20:09] <shtylman> kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libsoprano-dev (>= 2.4.64+dfsg.1) but it is not going to be installed
[20:12] <shtylman> Riddell: I don't see a libsoprano-dev version 2.5
[20:12] <shtylman> is this another amd64 thing?
[20:15] <sheytan> Why after upgrade to 4.5, windows run as root look so ugly?
[20:15] <sheytan> they're not oxygen
[20:15] <sheytan> any hack for that? ;)
[20:19] <sheytan> hey guys. I upgraded to 4.5, and i still have that 'lost and found' stuff in systemsettings
[20:19] <sheytan> in maveric aplha 3 it was fine
[20:21] <debfx> sheytan: what modules are in lost and found?
[20:21] <sheytan> debfx just a second
[20:22] <sheytan> debfx all the kpk stuff, touch pad, other notifications, usermanagement, gtk appearance and k3b setup
[20:22] <sheytan> this was fine with maveric alpha 3
[20:25] <neversfelde> same for me on Lucid, don't know if it is a problem with 10.10
[20:25] <sheytan> it's not, i tested :D
[20:25] <sheytan> please fix, and reupload sysemsettings
[20:25] <sheytan> and all that stuff :D
[20:28] <fldc_> runt qtconfig as root and set it to oxygen :)
[20:29] <fldc_> gui style that is :D
[20:34] <debfx> sheytan: well it works for me (tm)
[20:34] <sheytan> debfx  are you on lucid?
[20:35] <debfx> no, maverick
[20:35] <sheytan> debfx it's broken on lucid :P
[20:35] <sheytan> as i said, on maveric it works fine
[20:35] <sheytan> fldc_ ok, thanks ;)
[20:35] <debfx> just upgrade to maverick ;)
[20:35] <sheytan> debfx, it's an alpha :P
[20:36] <sheytan> fix the package :P
[20:38] <debfx> can't we just rename "lost and found" to something that doesn't make it sound like it's a bug? :p
[20:43] <sheytan> debfx i don't think so. each kcm should go where it belongs to
[20:47] <debfx> sheytan: alright, if you insist :D
[20:47] <sheytan> make it the same as it is in maveric ;)
[21:32] <debfx> sheytan: do you have installed k3b from lucid-backports?
[21:40] <sheytan> debfx nope
[21:49] <debfx> sheytan: you might want to do that, it's supposed to be more stable (final release) and contains the kcm category fix
[22:02] <Blizzz> update on lucid to kde 4.5 wants to remove kdebase-workspace, kdebase-workspace-bin, kdevelop, kubuntu-desktop, libqt4-assistand and libqt4-phonon. doesn,t sound too good, does it? someone wants/needs any further info?
[22:10] <yofel> sounds like bug 615902 - kdebase-workspace is FTBFS on amd64
[22:10] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[22:11] <Blizzz> yeah, looks similar
[22:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: thanks for blessing :D
[22:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: use your power wisely :)
[22:38] <debfx> Quintasan has super cow power?
[22:39] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[22:39] <_Groo_> any dev alive?
[22:39] <Riddell> and kicking
[22:39] <_Groo_> kdebase-workspace-bin and others are broken in the backports
[22:39] <_Groo_> kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1) but 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is to be installed
[22:40] <_Groo_> still in the process of package building? or just passed through QA?
[22:40] <_Groo_> and btw, HI Riddell :d
[22:41] <debfx> _Groo_: kdebase-workspace isn't built yet on amd64
[22:41] <Riddell> damn slow buildds
[22:41] <_Groo_> debfx: ah ok :) that explains it
[22:42] <Riddell> NCommander: if you could bump https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+build/1912708 that would make people happy
[22:42] <_Groo_> ok, i just wanted to check, ill update tomorrow
[22:42] <_Groo_> also i need to purge beta backports before updating? cause if i do, it would be better to state that in the kubuntu announcement
[22:42] <Riddell> no
[22:42] <NCommander> Riddell: done
[22:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: no? as in, dont have to?
[22:44] <debfx> Riddell: if you have some time to sponsor: I packaged the new colibri release http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/colibri_0.2.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[22:45] <Riddell> _Groo_: correct, you don't have to purge anything
[22:45] <Riddell> debfx: there's a new colibri release?
[22:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, btw im gonna use qt git from today since beta 2 has a few nasty bugs
[22:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: maybe you guys could reconsider and use a more current qt from git?
[22:48] <_Groo_> also anyone knows if this release fixes the k3b settings bug?
[22:48] <debfx> Riddell: yeah, a few days ago
[22:48] <_Groo_> just open k3b 2.0.x and click settings.. in rc2 it crashed k3b imediatly
[22:49] <_Groo_> ive sent the report and the k3b dev told me it was an issue with kdelibs, so could anyone confirm (which already updated) if k3b is showing the settings, or still crashing?
[22:49] <debfx> _Groo_: nope, still crashes
[22:49] <_Groo_> debfx: ooooh great.. gonna bug the dev again
[22:50] <debfx> _Groo_: is there a bug report to track the issue?
[22:53] <_Groo_> debfx: yeah there is, i opened it, and im bugging mmalek in the k3b channel
[22:54] <_Groo_> debfx: he wants to fix it in kdelibs.. which i agree.. but till then, no k3b settings :P
[22:54] <debfx> _Groo_: what's the bug number?
[22:55] <_Groo_> debfx: let me see , just a sec
[22:58] <_Groo_> 238819
[22:58] <_Groo_> bug 238819
[22:58] <_Groo_> in bugs.kde.org
[23:01] <debfx> thanks
[23:02] <Riddell> anyone able to confirm this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247262
[23:02] <Riddell> grep AllowConsole /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[23:03] <yofel> kde bug 238819
[23:04] <yofel> $ grep AllowConsole /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[23:04] <yofel> #AllowConsole=false
[23:04] <yofel> kdm 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1
[23:04] <_Groo_> debfx: k mmalek told me hes gonna update to 4.5 in the next days (he uses arch linux) and hes gonna track and fix it in kdelibs... meanwhile
[23:04] <_Groo_> debfx: i asked him to update the patch in the bug report, so i and others can compile k3b from svn while we wait for a proper fix
[23:06] <debfx> Riddell: AllowConsole isn't in my kdmrc, I have used the kcm to change settings though
[23:07] <Riddell> debfx: do you know how aurelien solved the alternative dbus providers issue?
[23:07] <Riddell> in colibri?
[23:07] <Riddell> debfx: uploaded
[23:13] <debfx> Riddell: colibri doesn't provide the dbus service file anymore but autostarts if enabled in the kcm
[23:22] <Riddell> debfx: oh aye


[05:37] <mithro> Is there a help/support IRC channel for launchpad at all? I feel a bit silly about posting a question like "I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to get the equivalent of 'floating download link' (kind of like raw.github with a branch name) for a bzr repo." to answers.launchpad
[12:15] <cjwatson> mithro: this is that help/support IRC channel
[12:15] <cjwatson> mithro: could you give an example of the kind of github link you're talking about?
[12:18] <flixr> hi guys, anyone around that can enable a failing vcs import again? https://code.launchpad.net/~morse-simulator/morse-simulator/packaging-trunk
[12:27] <mithro> cjwatson: I ended up creating an AskUbuntu question about it -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/539225/how-do-you-create-a-floating-download-link-to-file-in-bzr-hosted-on-launchpad - Guess I should actually create an answers.launchpad question too?
[12:31] <dobey> flixr: it's imported now
[12:33] <flixr> dobey, thx!
[13:01] <cjwatson> mithro: No need; I'll answer on AU
[13:02] <mithro> cjwatson: thanks!
[17:05] <teward> I think there's a bug in the Ubuntu project "Nominate for Series" screen with alphabetical sort... should I file a bug about it?
[17:05] <teward> or is it simple enough to just report the issue here
[17:29] <cjwatson> teward: For that sort of thing, bug please
[17:30] <teward> cjwatson: against Launchpad itself?
[17:33] <teward> cjwatson: bug filed, thanks.
[17:33] <teward> (against Launchpad itself)
[17:34] <cjwatson> yep
[18:57] <mapreri> is there a way to clone a bug in launchpad?
[18:58] <dobey> why would you clone a bug?
[19:10] <mapreri> dobey: because the reported mixed two issue
[19:10] <mapreri> (never dealt with debbugs??)
[19:11] <dobey> mapreri: then you want to split part of the description to a new bug? no, there is no way to do that magically. just copy the part of the description for the second bug and file a new bug for it.
[19:12] <mapreri> dobey: ok, then I'll ^C + ^V
[22:29] <ashp> Hey all, is there any way to debug openid failures against launchpad (from the launchpad side)?
[22:29] <ashp> We're getting a failure from gerrit and I'm convinced it's due to our ssl certs but... I'm having trouble convincing anyone
[22:31] <ashp> it's been days now and I'm a sad camper :/


[12:37] <alefteris> hi
[12:37] <troy_s> hello alefteris
[12:38] <alefteris> is this the command to check out the feisty gdm theme bzr checkout http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/+branch/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:41] <alefteris> when i issue the command it just creates an ubuntu folder and then waits..
[12:41] <alefteris> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Error retrieving http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu/.bzr/repository/knits/56/session1.png-20061002182018-mm10hee25yypwplv-17.knit: <urlopen error (-2, 'Name or service not known')> <urlopen error (-2, 'Name or service not known')>
[12:41] <alefteris> i get this
[12:42] <alefteris> also, does the source include the svg files?
[12:43] <troy_s> hrm
[12:44] <troy_s> do you have the proper address first (looks good)
[12:44] <troy_s> give it a few minutes alefteris then try it again
[12:44] <troy_s> have you adjusted python on your system at all?
[12:44] <alefteris> no
[12:44] <troy_s> that should work then
[12:44] <troy_s> so try it again
[12:45] <troy_s> erm
[12:45] <troy_s> maybe... i think your source is off.
[12:45] <troy_s> hold on.
[12:45] <alefteris> should be https or http?
[12:46] <troy_s> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:46] <troy_s> did you rread the tutorial on how to get the proper url?
[12:46] <troy_s> First, go to www.launchpad.net/products and search for the product
[12:46] <troy_s> once you have the product, click the link
[12:46] <troy_s> click the "CODE" link from there in the left panel
[12:47] <troy_s> from the list of branches that appear
[12:47] <troy_s> select ONE
[12:47] <troy_s> (with feisty-gdm-themes there is only one so don't worry)
[12:47] <alefteris> thats what i did
[12:47] <troy_s> then look
[12:47] <troy_s> at the 'hosted on launchpad' link
[12:47] <troy_s> directly under the caption at the top
[12:47] <troy_s> that will give you the official link
[12:47] <troy_s> in this case
[12:47] <troy_s> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:47] <troy_s> so all you need to do is issue a
[12:47] <troy_s> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:48] <troy_s> and you will pull the head branch
[12:48] <troy_s> oki?
[12:49] <troy_s> alefteris: ?
[12:51] <troy_s> and no, it should... but i don't believe it includes the bloody sources to the svg
[12:52] <troy_s> i sent a mail to who, but i don't know if it got around to being included.
[12:52] <alefteris> troy_s, im still getting this error
[12:52] <alefteris> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Error retrieving http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu/.bzr/branch-format: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')> <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')>
[12:53] <troy_s> so you aren't able to get hte ip
[12:53] <troy_s> that would probably be a temporary errro
[12:53] <troy_s> either your dns is flailing right now
[12:53] <troy_s> or the dns that hosts the bazaar.launchpad.net name is flailing.
[12:53] <alefteris> must be mine then :(
[12:53] <troy_s> appears so
[12:53] <troy_s> i can ping it just fine
[12:53] <alefteris> so the svg is incuded?
[12:53] <troy_s> try pinging it
[12:54] <troy_s> i don't believe so.
[12:54] <troy_s> which is completely unfortunate.
[12:55] <alefteris> its wird, i can ping  bazaar.launchpad.net
[12:56] <troy_s> and you did the exact
[12:56] <troy_s> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:56] <troy_s> ?
[12:56] <troy_s> perhaps your python got borked?
[12:57] <troy_s> try re-installing your python package.
[12:58] <alefteris> ok thanks
[12:58] <troy_s> no work?
[12:58] <troy_s> or workie?
[12:59] <alefteris> must be something wronk with my networking..
[12:59] <troy_s> very strange error though
[12:59] <alefteris> thanks for the help Trae
[12:59] <troy_s> i know that it _could_ be python
[01:02] <lizardking__> troy_s: I'm in
[01:02] <troy_s> greets lizardking__
[01:02] <alefteris> ok i tryed the same link in firefox and a get an emptry apache file directory page
[01:02] <troy_s> alefteris: i would start with re-installing python
[01:02] <troy_s> just a hunch
[01:03] <troy_s> but it sounds like your python _may_ have gotten borked
[01:03] <alefteris> ok
[01:04] <lizardking__> alefteris: can U pass me the launchpad link that does not work?
[01:04] <troy_s> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[01:05] <troy_s> alefteris is trying to do that.
[01:05] <lizardking__> thnx
[01:05] <troy_s> but getting a weird error
[01:06] <lizardking__> i'm here Fetch phase 1/4
[01:07] <lizardking__> finished. it works for me
[01:10] <troy_s> lizardking__: i think it is alefteris's python or something
[01:10] <lizardking__> alefteris: what's yours bzr --version command ?
[01:10] <lizardking__> alefteris: mine is
[01:11] <lizardking__> Sei lizardking in ~/Desktop >bzr --version
[01:11] <lizardking__> Bazaar (bzr) 0.14.0
[01:11] <lizardking__> Using python interpreter: /usr/bin/python2.4
[01:11] <lizardking__> Using python standard library: /usr/lib/python2.4
[01:11] <lizardking__> Using bzrlib: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib
[01:11] <alefteris> Bazaar (bzr) 0.11.0
[01:11] <alefteris> Using python interpreter: /usr/bin/python
[01:11] <alefteris> Using python standard library: /usr/lib/python2.4
[01:11] <alefteris> Using bzrlib: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib
[01:12] <troy_s> erm your bzr looks dated
[01:12] <troy_s> alef
[01:12] <lizardking__> alefteris: try to update bzr
[01:12] <troy_s> your bzr is way old :)
[01:12] <lizardking__> wait..
[01:13] <alefteris> its the edgy version
[01:13] <troy_s> how strange
[01:13] <troy_s> i recalled the .14
[01:13] <lizardking__> alefteris: follow this sources.list istructions http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads
[01:13] <troy_s> let me try a pull
[01:13] <lizardking__> alefteris: ;)
[01:16] <troy_s> mine appears to have pulled fine
[01:16] <troy_s> i am pretty sure it is alefteris's python
[01:16] <troy_s> something is borked
[01:19] <lizardking__> troy_s: Do you know some news about artwork package parser?
[01:26] <alefteris> ok its working :)
[01:26] <lizardking__> alefteris: ;)
[01:34] <lizardking__> i'm going to sleep. tomorrow university :(
[07:10] <klepas> anyone awake?
[07:20] <BHSPitMonkey> nope
[07:23] <klepas> hey, how's it going :)
[07:23] <klepas> moin darkmatter
[07:24] <darkmatter> hey... not bad.. just woke from a lil shuteye
[07:24] <darkmatter> how are y'all doin today?
[07:28] <klepas> ah, pretty good
[07:28] <klepas> at work atm :)
[07:32] <darkmatter> ahhh
[07:32] <darkmatter> I see :)
[07:32] <klepas> darkmatter: do you use the tango icons from cvs or a pre-packaged set?
[07:34] <darkmatter> tango and gnome from cvs/svn, as well as suse's industrial (the new version... tangoed)
[07:34] <klepas> mhh i haven't seen those
[07:34] <klepas> where can i best get my hands on 'em, preferably from svn/cvs
[07:35] <darkmatter> industrial??? I just ripped them from an rpm... one sec.. I'll find the beasty
[07:37] <klepas> cheers :)
[05:16] <nysosym> hi all :)
[05:17] <nysosym> what do u think about many more black in the ubuntu default style?
[05:20] <kwwii> nysosym: do you mean making things much darker?
[05:20] <nysosym> kwwii: yes, splash, gdm, wallpapers
[05:22] <kwwii> not sure about the splash or the gdm but it might be neat on the wallpaper
[05:23] <nysosym> there is a quick and dirty mockup, i think the contrast of orange and black/grew looks very professionell
[05:23] <nysosym> http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotoxnestqp9.png
[05:26] <nysosym> And for wallpapers, i thought on some nice landscapes in black and white
[05:26] <nysosym> Or some pictures of architecture
[05:27] <kwwii> as the colors for the logo are warm, earth tones, I am not soo sure about using that amount of blue
[05:27] <nysosym> blue?
[05:28] <kwwii> well, that grey looks very blue-ish to me
[05:28] <nysosym> hmm maybe a bad configured screen? :D
[05:29] <kwwii> nope, brand new laptop
[05:30] <nysosym> kwwii: hmm sure, but onliy is use the default color palette of black and grey in gimp
[05:33] <nysosym> and here are some types of wallpapers
[05:33] <nysosym> http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wallpapertestky6.jpg
[05:35] <kwwii> the biggest problem with using pics as a default is that they are usually too complicated, they draw the eye too much
[05:36] <kwwii> I do like the idea of making a darker look, but I think it should still have a version in dark, warm colors
[05:36] <nysosym> hmm yes, maybe we should use, some with a low contrast
[05:36] <nysosym> some smooth landscapes
[05:36] <nysosym> hi PingunZ
[05:36] <PingunZ> hey nysosym
[05:37] <nysosym> PingunZ: black or blue?
[05:37] <nysosym> http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotoxnestqp9.png
[05:41] <nysosym> is it me, or comes the feisty artwork very very slow forward?
[05:46] <nysosym> btw. has anyone see fschoep in the last time?
[05:46] <PingunZ> nah
[05:47] <PingunZ> nysosym, pm about that gdm ?
[05:47] <nysosym> PingunZ: yes
[06:41] <alefteris> anyone here that can help me with the ubuntu moinmoin theme?
[06:45] <PingunZ> what's the problem ?
[06:47] <PingunZ> hey lizardking
[06:47] <lizardking_> Hi
[06:47] <lizardking_> come back from University
[06:47] <lizardking_> ;)
[06:47] <lizardking_> uff strong day!
[06:48] <lizardking_> i hate monday!
[06:48] <PingunZ> :)
[06:52] <lizardking_> and late I will going to basketball training...damn, so full life :D
[07:05] <alefteris> PingunZ, i have a problem with some localised text in the theme py file, it doesnt apear correctly in the browser
[07:05] <PingunZ> hmm
[07:06] <alefteris> the file is saved as utf8, other localised text appears correctry in the wiki..
[07:06] <PingunZ> I have to go, I hope someone can help you
[07:06] <alefteris> its just the text from the theme that doesnt
[07:06] <alefteris> ok
[07:06] <PingunZ> try to google it ?
[07:06] <PingunZ> later
[07:52] <lizardking_> Somone knows what python package install to run this script? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/+branch/example-look/dev
[07:53] <lizardking_> Sei lizardking in ~/Desktop/dev >python setup.py
[07:53] <lizardking_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07:53] <lizardking_>   File "setup.py", line 2, in ?
[07:53] <lizardking_>     from DistUtilsExtra.distutils_extra import build_extra, build_l10n
[07:53] <lizardking_> ImportError: No module named DistUtilsExtra.distutils_extra
[08:14] <alefteris> is it possible to add a glowing effect in letters with inkscape? just like the text in the ubuntu website logo..
[08:14] <alefteris> or i have to go to gimp to make something like that
[08:41] <troy_s> greets all
[08:43] <alefteris> hi troy_s
[08:44] <troy_s> i wonder if lizardking got his py issues sorted
[08:44] <troy_s> you resolved your bzr issues correct alefteris ?
[08:45] <alefteris> troy_s, yes thank you
[08:45] <alefteris> it was a dns problem after all
[08:45] <troy_s> looked odd.
[08:45] <troy_s> what were you working on?
[08:47] <alefteris> troy_s, a logo for the local community team
[08:48] <alefteris> but i funt the svg from the wiki artwork/input staff
[08:49] <alefteris> now im having truble creating a glow around the letters..
[08:49] <alefteris> :)
[08:49] <troy_s> Erm... where is the source SVG?
[08:49] <troy_s> is it in the package now?
[08:50] <troy_s> a glow is quite simple...
[08:50] <troy_s> Expand the spline in inkscape
[08:50] <troy_s> create the solid of your colour
[08:50] <alefteris> im trying to do it with neon glow plugin
[08:50] <troy_s> Erk no
[08:50] <troy_s> do you just want a white glow?
[08:50] <troy_s> i would do it in inkscape as it is deadly simple if you have the source svg
[08:50] <troy_s> where did you snag the source svg from?
[08:50] <alefteris> one like the ubuntu website logo
[08:50] <troy_s> it SHOULD be included in the package.
[08:50] <troy_s> Try this:
[08:51] <troy_s>  1) Locate the outline of the 'ubuntu' text
[08:51] <troy_s>  2) Duplicate it to a layer lower
[08:51] <alefteris> i found the svg here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Logo
[08:51] <troy_s>  3) use the outset command to expand it.
[08:52] <troy_s>  4) solid white fill, adjust blur.  Done.
[08:54] <troy_s> Relatively simplistic, but it will get the job done.
[08:54] <troy_s> To polish it, try changing the fill gradient stops
[08:57] <alefteris> troy_s, thanks troy_s i'm gona try it now
[09:50] <alefteris> troy_s, how should i use the gradients to get the glow effect..
[09:51] <troy_s> well theoretically... you get a glow without them.
[09:51] <troy_s> just expand using outset -- and blur
[09:51] <alefteris> yeao, put looks solid, not like rays
[09:51] <troy_s> uh...
[09:51] <troy_s> send me your png.
[09:51] <troy_s> a png sample
[09:52] <alefteris> just a sec
[09:53] <alefteris> troy_s, http://imagebin.org/7074
[09:55] <troy_s> so make it bigger
[09:55] <troy_s> and blur it more
[09:55] <troy_s> if you want a more subtle glow
[09:57] <alefteris> blur you mean to adust transpanency right?
[09:57] <alefteris> or someting else?
[10:01] <troy_s> no
[10:02] <troy_s> blur
[10:02] <troy_s> sorry alefteris i was in another window
[10:02] <troy_s> in inkscape, open up the stroke / fill dialog
[10:02] <troy_s> and slide the blur slider
[10:02] <troy_s> (not too far obviously ;) )
[10:03] <troy_s> alefteris: what version of inkscape are you running?
[10:03] <alefteris> 0.44
[10:03] <troy_s> so open up the stroke / fill and slide blur
[10:03] <alefteris> its called master opacity the slider you are talking about right?
[10:03] <troy_s> no
[10:04] <troy_s> the one above it
[10:04] <troy_s> if you don't have it
[10:04] <troy_s> compile inkscape yourself.
[10:04] <troy_s> or get a newer version
[10:04] <troy_s> should be directly above the 'master opacity' slider.
[10:05] <alefteris> above it is the Alpha (opacity) spiner
[10:06] <troy_s> hold on...
[10:09] <troy_s> alefteris: http://imagebin.org/7076
[10:09] <troy_s> does your stroke / fill dialog look like that?
[10:10] <alefteris> i dont have this slider
[10:10] <troy_s> ok so you need a newer version of inkscape
[10:10] <alefteris> look like i have an old version of inkscape then
[10:10] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HowToCompileInkscape
[10:11] <troy_s> hopefully that will help you
[10:11] <troy_s> you shouldn't have any problems after that... :)
[10:11] <alefteris> thanks Trae
[10:11] <alefteris> thanks troy_s
[10:11] <alefteris> :)
[10:11] <troy_s> troy_s -- Trae is someone else :)
[10:11] <troy_s> lol
[10:11] <troy_s> damn tab
[10:11] <alefteris> yeah
[10:12] <troy_s> didn't know hitting tab twice cycles through tem
[10:12] <troy_s> the names ...
[10:12] <troy_s> nifty.
[10:12] <troy_s> you can't use inkscape without blur :)
[10:13] <troy_s> it probably one of the most important tools...  you can get photorealistic artwork now.
[10:13] <troy_s> (not that photorealistic is really artwork anyways :P )
[10:14] <alefteris> so troy_s, with the previous version you cant blur or there is no easy to access ui?
[10:14] <troy_s> no blur
[10:14] <kwwii> if only the blur worked a bit faster in inkscape
[10:14] <alefteris> oh
[10:15] <troy_s> kwwii it is lightening fast on mine.
[10:15] <troy_s> but i run the svn and a 64 bit
[10:15] <troy_s> native
[10:15] <troy_s> i don't know if that has much to do with it.
[10:15] <troy_s> alefteris: it had some buggy issues early, now it is pretty flawless regarding rendering.
[10:15] <kwwii> I run svn (daily build) on my brand-spanking new core-due thinkpad, and the refresh is still not the greatest
[10:16] <kwwii> but the effect is something you really cannot easily do wihtout
[10:16] <troy_s> kwwii maybe the 64bit makes a diff... hard to say.  how is that new lappy?
[10:16] <troy_s> kwwii -- they also added that rendering feature for speed which is nice -- change the blur preview quality.
[10:17] <kwwii> it is the first laptop/computer that I have owned in 9 years which "works well" on linux
[10:17] <kwwii> everthing works, out of the box
[10:17] <troy_s> you happy with it?
[10:17] <kwwii> totally
[10:18] <kwwii> of course, I still have my big powerbook and a couple of other macs
[10:18] <kwwii> it is somewhat nicer to draw on a bigger screen
[10:19] <kwwii> I bought the X60s
[10:19] <kwwii> compiz is still blowing my mind
[10:19] <troy_s> you seen metisse yet?
[10:20] <troy_s> i have a couple of 22" widescreens
[10:20] <kwwii> nope, what's that?
[10:20] <troy_s> i still dislike lappies...
[10:20] <troy_s> oh lord...
[10:20] <troy_s> wait till you see this
[10:20] <kwwii> lol
[10:20] <kwwii> well, this computer is the reason that people buy laptops
[10:20] <troy_s> http://insitu.lri.fr/metisse/
[10:20] <troy_s> ?
[10:20] <troy_s> that good eh?
[10:20] <troy_s> make sure you view the videos
[10:21] <kwwii> yepp, and it took me years of buying the wrong ones to figure it out
[10:21] <troy_s> i _almost_ bought an amd64 bual
[10:21] <troy_s> dual core
[10:21] <troy_s> i simply can't deal with 32 bit sluggy anymore so i am pretty much an amd fanboi.
[10:21] <kwwii> looks cool
[10:21] <troy_s> look at the vids
[10:21] <troy_s> ;)
[10:22] <troy_s> wait until you see the videos of it in action.
[10:22] <kwwii> that was what I was just doing :-)
[10:22] <kwwii> only thing I saw until now
[10:22] <troy_s> it is very cool
[10:22] <kwwii> looks like it does a lot
[10:22] <troy_s> the pager kills compiz/beryl.
[10:23] <troy_s> and it has a user interface element that makes it actually useful
[10:23] <troy_s> as opposed to silly
[10:25] <troy_s> pretty cool eh?
[10:26] <kwwii> an interesting format for future works
[10:26] <kwwii> more than one given thing
[10:27] <kwwii> very interesting
[10:27] <troy_s> well the interesting thing is that it isn't just bloody useless 3d accelleration
[10:27] <troy_s> it actually _does_ something useful
[10:27] <kwwii> true
[10:27] <troy_s> the mirror thing is pretty interesting too
[10:28] <troy_s> although the wing windows is probably the best.
[10:28] <kwwii> the video downloads very slowly
[10:30] <kwwii> some of the mandriva stuff is kinda silly thought
[10:30] <kwwii> though
[10:30] <troy_s> much of everything is silly
[10:30] <troy_s> in particular, what do you think is silly?
[10:32] <kwwii> well, the idea that someone would click through a menu that was at 45 where you cannot read the text
[10:32] <troy_s> i don't think the video does it justice
[10:33] <troy_s> try compiling it.
[10:33] <troy_s> fecking pypanel
[10:33] <troy_s> i can't get the sucker to launch and it is driving me bonkers.
[10:35] <kwwii> the table-top stuff looks killer
[10:36] <kwwii> if only there was a system to really use that
[10:36] <kwwii> time for bed here
[10:37] <troy_s> night kwwii
[10:37] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[10:37] <troy_s> yes there are some very killer elements to it
[11:36] <lizardking> hi
[11:36] <lizardking> come back to basket training
[11:36] <lizardking> yeah I try matiss and it is very very interesting and usable 3d project. for some aspect better than compiz
[11:39] <alefteris> troy_s, inkscape still compiling :) it takes ages in my machine
[11:43] <alefteris> if i import a pixmap into inscape, it tracks it down with absolute paths? is ti posible to embed the imported files then when saving in some other format?
[11:47] <alefteris> WARNING: Bad markup found in translations.  Please consider fixing the above problems.
[11:47] <alefteris> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/thanos/tmp/inkscape'
[11:47] <alefteris> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/thanos/tmp/inkscape'
[11:48] <alefteris> dz.po?? thats wird
[12:00] <alefteris> troy_s, dispite the error, it works, and blur is wiked :)