[12:00] <bwlang> sobersabre: it's probably your time zone setting... if you're not off by 1 hour increments then the timeserver is probably misconfigured - use pool.ntp.org instead
[12:00] <bob2> Olsen: no
[12:00] <mcphail> bwlang: OpenOffice.org presenter
[12:00] <mdke> bob2, can i have a quick word?
[12:00] <nickrud> sobersabre, is your hardware time utc, or local time
[12:00] <mainer> sobresabre: did you config utc,or local time??
[12:00] <Olsen> bah, i'm disappointed :/
[12:00] <bob2> mdke: ok
[12:00] <bwlang> mcphail: ah.. i'll try it
[12:00] <bob2> Olsen: that's not what universe is for
[12:00] <bob2> Olsen: at least the first 3 are in main
[12:00] <mcphail> bwlang: or you can create an animated .GIF with the GIMP
[12:01] <Olsen> bob2, what is universe for?
[12:01] <grumpysmurf> wow thats an openended question
[12:01] <pagefault> does anyone have any idea why my clock slowly drifts ahead on me?
[12:01] <bob2> Olsen: unsupported free software
[12:01] <mainer> it's the equivalent of debian "testing"
[12:01] <pagefault> like 20 minutes a day
[12:01] <bob2> Olsen: main is for supported free software
[12:02] <Olsen> ok
[12:02] <mainer> or unstable actually,maybe?
[12:02] <zoppy> tbird : can u repaste the link please ;-)
[12:02] <chris__> anyone have experience setting up broadcom cards with ndiswrapper, im having a strange problem
[12:02] <Olsen> can i get bleeding edge software?
[12:02] <tbird>  flashplayer-mozilla
[12:02] <tbird> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html
[12:02] <zoppy> tbird : or the keyword
[12:03] <darkaudit> pagefault: haven't found an answer yet... other than changing the clock sync to periodic, rather than once
[12:03] <mcphail> chris__: fire away...
[12:03] <pagefault> darkaudit, yeah it's rather annoying
[12:03] <djm62> mini: hmmm: do you have more than one soundcard?
[12:03] <chris__> mcphail, basically when i set everything up and modprobe ndiswrapper i get this:
[12:04] <chris__> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:04] <pagefault> you need to sudo your modprobe
[12:04] <mini> djm62: yes...
[12:04] <mini> djm62: 2..
[12:04] <pagefault> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:04] <mini> djm62: 1 inegrated on my motherboard and one more..
[12:04] <mcphail> chris__: are you doing this as root?
[12:05] <chris__> man weird
[12:05] <chris__> i was sudoing it, but i just su'd and now it works
[12:05] <chris__> lol
[12:05] <pagefault> weird
[12:06] <chris__> do you have to restart before the card will detect your AP?
[12:06] <abelli_> ciao && thx bob2
[12:06] <djm62> mini: that could be your problem...the system might not share your audiophile preferences
[12:06] <mcphail> chris__: no. Try ifup wlan0
[12:06] <pagefault> if you have problems seeing you AP you may need to upgrade ndiswrapper
[12:06] <pagefault> had to do that for a friend
[12:06] <pagefault> hoary shipped with an old version
[12:06] <abelli_> did somebody notice a segfault with streamtuner while trying to open some arbitrary directories?
[12:06] <djm62> mini: do you know what modules the cards use?
[12:07] <mini> djm62: okay..
[12:07] <mini> djm62: nope..
[12:07] <riji> VNC for linux/horay?
[12:07] <chris__> wow it works now
[12:07] <mcphail> chris__: excellent
[12:07] <djm62> mini: can you PM me with the output of lsmod
[12:07] <chris__> well thanks guys, everything worked out of the box except wifi and ive been trying to get it for like 48 hours
[12:08] <mcphail> chris__: it took me 18 months ;p
[12:08] <chris__> hehe
[12:08] <mini> mini     10224  0.0  0.1  1820  560 pts/0    R+   01:58   0:00 grep esd
[12:09] <chris__> well actually, strange, the ap shows up in kwifimanger, but iwlist wlan0 scan returns no scan results
[12:09] <Scuddie> OK...
[12:10] <chris__> brb
[12:10] <mini> djm62:did you get it?
[12:10] <Scuddie> Who here knows how to re-route calls to OSS to ESD?
[12:10] <nickrud> Scuddie, try esddsp <app>
[12:10] <abelli_> really no one here that uses streamtuner?
[12:11] <Scuddie> Oh really?  That's all there is to it?
[12:11] <bob2> most people use mplayer for that sort of thing
[12:11] <Scuddie> Even if the program was hard-coded to use OSS?
[12:12] <nickrud> Scuddie, it's usually worked for me, don't ask me to explain :)
[12:12] <Scuddie> OK, I'll give it a shot.
[12:14] <Scuddie> Oh... Also another simple question, is there any way to set Firefox to open up a new tab after target=_blank instead of a new window?
[12:14] <abelli_> bob2: talking to me?
[12:14] <bob2> abelli_: yes
[12:15] <abelli_> mplayer has radio listing?
[12:15] <phasegen> 2 questions for someone with the know-how
[12:15] <cafuego> Hmm. ANy reason breezy thinks I shouldn be using Evolution?
[12:16] <bob2> abelli_: doubt it
[12:16] <abelli_> so why mplayer should substitute streamtuner?
[12:16] <bob2> ?
[12:17] <bob2> aren't you just using streamtuner to listen to icecast or whatever?
[12:17] <thr1ce> can someone help me ?  I get this error when I log in
[12:17] <thr1ce> http://www.pastebin.com/273027
[12:17] <thr1ce> since I installed my ATI driver
[12:17] <bob2> #flood is a less annoying than pastebin, imo
[12:17] <phasegen> if I do the default install, how do I change my screen res?  the only choices offered are 800X600 and 640X480.  I need 1024X768
[12:17] <fateisajester> hi i have just installed ubuntu. is there a superkaramba rpm for this distro and where can i find it
[12:17] <thedudeabides> O.K., i've got the ndiswrapper tar burned on a disc and i've got Linux booted up.  What next?
[12:17] <abelli_> bob2: huh, not just for radios' directories.
[12:17] <thr1ce> I can paste it in #flood if you'd like too
[12:18] <abelli_> bob2: indexing.
[12:18] <bob2> fateisajester: rpm? no.
[12:18] <bob2> fateisajester: it is packaged, tho.
[12:18] <nickrud> thr1ce, stick in the two tests xorg mentions, also
[12:18] <fateisajester> where can i find it?
[12:18] <thr1ce> nickrud, what do you mean ?
[12:19] <simonp> how to use the rescue mode, just changing vc?
[12:19] <bob2> fateisajester: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:19] <fateisajester> thx
[12:19] <thedudeabides> O.K., i've got the ndiswrapper tar burned on a disc and i've got Linux booted up.  What next?
[12:19] <nickrud> The result of <b>xprop -root | grep XKB  and the other.
[12:19] <bob2> thedudeabides: no need to keep repeating
[12:19] <simonp> thedudeabides: how about reading documentation ;)
[12:20] <simonp> thedudeabides: you're gonna need the windows driver installation files
[12:20] <thedudeabides> I have the windows drivers as well.  I'm a newb so the ndis installation guide doesn't help me too much.
[12:20] <thr1ce> nickrud, http://www.pastebin.com/273029
[12:21] <thr1ce> nickrud, I see xfree in there...could that be something ?
[12:23] <nickrud> thr1ce, no, and they look ok to me ...
[12:23] <nickrud> let me check something
[12:23] <thr1ce> nickrud, that error pops up when I log in to an X session
[12:23] <Doomhammer> I'm trying to run Unreal Tournament 2003, I installed fglrx and ran "fglrxconfig", edited the file a bit so it would work with x.org instead of XFree86, and now when I try to run the game is says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do to fix this?
[12:23] <Gumby> can anyone here tell me the name of the wireless network ap in gnome?
[12:24] <thr1ce> but on the upside... 35022 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7004.400 FPS
[12:24] <thr1ce>   :)
[12:24] <nickrud> thr1ce, maybe it does, mine has xorg.
[12:24] <thr1ce> nickrud, hm...would that be somewhere in xorg.conf ?
[12:24] <Doomhammer> I'm trying to run Unreal Tournament 2003, I installed fglrx and ran "fglrxconfig", edited the file a bit so it would work with x.org instead of XFree86, and now when I try to run the game is says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do to fix this?
[12:25] <nickrud> yup, under input device
[12:25] <thr1ce>     Option "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
[12:25] <thr1ce>     Option "XkbModel"   "pc101"
[12:25] <thr1ce>     Option "XkbLayout"  "us"
[12:25] <thr1ce> ?
[12:25] <thr1ce> what must that be changed to ?
[12:25] <nickrud> "XkbRules"      "xorg"
[12:25] <Doomhammer> change the "xfree86" to "xorg", if you're on Hoary
[12:25] <fateisajester> bob2: i understand i need to update my repositories. do you know of one that has superkaramba?
[12:26] <thr1ce> Doomhammer, got the 3d accel working finally
[12:26] <bob2> fateisajester: no, you don't
[12:26] <bob2> fateisajester: it's in hoary universe
[12:26] <fateisajester> oh
[12:26] <fateisajester> ok
[12:26] <fateisajester> thx
[12:26] <Doomhammer> thrlce: I think i've got it working... I insalled fglrx ... I'm getting ~100FPS in glxgears now
[12:26] <thr1ce> ok, brb...lemme try er out
[12:26] <Doomhammer> thrlce: but when I try to run Ut2k4 it says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
[12:27] <adapt> man. Limewire kills my system. makes nautilus take like 20 seconds to open. <1 second normally
[12:27] <thr1ce> 35025 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7005.000 FPS
[12:27] <thr1ce> that's my glxgears
[12:27] <thr1ce> :)
[12:27] <adapt> i havent used p2p in forever.. anything better than Limewire (amule doesnt ever work for me)
[12:27] <thr1ce> that was compiling new drivers from source...  </slackware user>
[12:27] <thr1ce> anyways, lemme try that out
[12:27] <thedudeabides> i'm lost here
[12:28] <Doomhammer> thrlce: when I try to run Ut2k4 it says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do about that?
[12:28] <cafuego> bob2: You know, #ubuntu needs an archive-searching bot.
[12:29] <bob2> hah
[12:29] <djm62> true it does
[12:29] <djm62> grim
[12:30] <djm62> does anyone know a simpler way to change soundcard order in alsa than editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:30] <bob2> blacklist the secondary device in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:30] <bob2> load it in /etc/modules
[12:31] <limer> woot!  totem has audio :P
[12:32] <mini> djm62: still no sound :P
[12:33] <sionide> agh freenode split!
[12:34] <djm62> mini: check volume control again?
[12:34] <elektrolyytti> im going to install windows xp and of course its going to remove my ubuntu grub boot... what is the fastest and easiest way to get grub back?
[12:34] <dhahn> hello
[12:34] <Burgundavia_> elektrolyytti, there is a wiki page about that
[12:34] <Burgundavia_> elektrolyytti, search the Ubuntu wiki for Windows
[12:34] <zero[] > elektrolyytti: i think when you try to install windows xp it's not gonna be able to boot up at first
[12:35] <zero[] > when it restarts for the first time
[12:35] <zero[] > and you're gonna have to reinstall GRUB at that point
[12:35] <mini> djm62: still no sound :
[12:35] <dhahn> Looking for help with an ethernet interface on a toshiba laptop after a 4.10 to 5.04 upgrade
[12:35] <mini> djm62, notmuted..
[12:35] <elektrolyytti> zero[] : nope.. i installed it before and not...
[12:35] <Gumby> can anyone here tell me the name of the wireless network ap in gnome?
[12:36] <zero[] > elektrolyytti: that's strange, last time i tried installing windows on an ex-linux box i had to format the mbr first
[12:36] <jordanau> i ahve changed my college major to computer science, we must learn java. <---thoughts?
[12:37] <zero[] > java is good, i like it
[12:37] <zero[] > cross-platform
[12:37] <zero[] > you can program something in linux and it'll work in windows too
[12:37] <|QuaD-> zero[] : c# is nice too
[12:37] <grumpysmurf> theoretically
[12:37] <|QuaD-> zero[] : you can do the same with c#
[12:37] <zero[] > eh, usually works
[12:37] <zero[] > really?
[12:37] <zero[] > i didn't know that
[12:38] <djm62> Gumby: you can set supported cards with network-admin
[12:38] <|QuaD-> zero[] : i was a java fan until i found c#
[12:38] <|QuaD-> it is reat
[12:38] <mini> djm62, so what do i do?
[12:38] <zero[] > microsoft made something.. good?
[12:38] <zero[] > hehe
[12:38] <djm62> mini: I'm quite lost now...googling
[12:38] <Gumby> djm62: I am looking for something like kwifimanager for kde but for gnome
[12:38] <|QuaD-> zero[] : well, microsoft only made the windows implementation
[12:39] <mini> djm62, well don't bother... going to bed..
[12:39] <|QuaD-> they designed the language and framework though
[12:39] <zero[] > i thought microsoft was behind the whole c# language
[12:39] <ago73> Hi all
[12:39] <Burgundavia_> zero[] , java, that write once run anywhere is not true. Also java is non-free
[12:39] <|QuaD-> zero[] : they designed the languages
[12:39] <mini> djm62,  but thanks for the help
[12:39] <djm62> sorry it wasn't particularly
[12:39] <ago73> Do you guys use testing or unstable for external sources?
[12:39] <zero[] > oh
[12:39] <nickrud> ago73, unstable
[12:39] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: not non-free for long
[12:39] <Burgundavia_> ago73, ubuntu syncs to unstable
[12:40] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, uhh, I wil belive that when I see it
[12:40] <djm62> Gumby: I think they're doing some work on wifi which isn't in this gnome release
[12:40] <zero[] > why isn't it free? you can download the sdk from sun
[12:40] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: they said they would open solaris, they did, now they said they are opening java, so they will
[12:40] <Burgundavia_> zero[] , freedom to change and redistribute
[12:40] <|QuaD-> zero[] : free as in freedom not as in beer
[12:40] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, they have not opened solaris yet
[12:40] <zero[] > ohh
[12:40] <ago73> Burgundavia_, nickrud  thx I am asking because warty use to be on testing, right? So I thought that once Hoary was release it would also move to testing
[12:41] <djm62> why would /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base only have one line?
[12:41] <bob2> ago73: "on testing"?
[12:41] <Burgundavia_> ago73, what happens is Ubuntu syncs with Debian sid until the upstream version freeze. After that it is only selected bug fixes
[12:41] <bob2> ago73: warty was based on debian unstable, not testing
[12:41] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: oh, i thoughtthey did
[12:41] <ago73> bob2 thx
[12:42] <Burgundavia_> ago73, so Breezy (the next version of Ubuntu) just synced up to sid
[12:42] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, Expect to see buildable Solaris code here in Q2 2005. from opensolaris.org
[12:42] <sageek> I Just installed superkaramba and loaded some fine working theme, and i see the icons on it, tho his bg is black and i can't see the text, tho it seems to be working..?
[12:43] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: i have no desire to run it :)
[12:43] <djm62> how open?
[12:43] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, nor do I
[12:43] <Burgundavia_> djm62, OSI approved but not GPL compatible
[12:43] <djm62> _debuggable_ solaris code
[12:43] <sionide> how do i make firefox use the normal firefox icon/logo in ubuntu? :/
[12:43] <bob2> sionide: talk to the mozilla foundation
[12:43] <djm62> sionide: there were copyright issues with the logo
[12:43] <sageek> any clue why it won't work?
[12:43] <bob2> sionide: they have interesting ideas about trademarks
[12:44] <bob2> sageek: try #kubuntu
[12:44] <djm62> s/copyright/trademark/
[12:44] <Burgundavia_> bob2, thanks
[12:44] <jordanau> thanks for the info
[12:44] <ago73> Burgundavia_, in practice if I have external repositories for say xfce2 or debian-marillat  I should use their unstable branch right?
[12:44] <djm62> doesn't ubuntu have a similar policy on artwork?
[12:45] <Burgundavia_> ago73, absolutely
[12:45] <sageek> bob2 whats kbuntu?
[12:45] <jordanau> ubuntu with kde
[12:45] <Burgundavia_> sageek, kubuntu is the kde version of ubuntu
[12:45] <Hydroxide> why does ubuntu hoary fail to load the contents of /etc/modules if there is a /proc/ksyms file?
[12:45] <sageek> I'm not using kde
[12:45] <sageek> gnome.
[12:45] <|QuaD-> sageek: you are using the kde libraries though
[12:45] <Burgundavia_> ago73, but mostly, you just need vanilla Ubuntu sources
[12:45] <Hydroxide> that's causing me problems in my rather complicated setup. the culprit is /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
[12:45] <sageek> yeah
[12:46] <zero[] > speaking of java.. i'm trying to install the sdk right now
[12:46] <zero[] > i installed the runtime succesfully
[12:46] <thr1ce> i try to load et, and it just freezes at a black screen...
[12:46] <jordanau> zero[] , is it compiled or interpreted?
[12:47] <sageek> gnome seems pretty cute, smaller then kde :P
[12:47] <cafuego> Hmm.
[12:47] <cafuego> Any suggestions as to a bot name?
[12:48] <sageek> evilnerd
[12:48] <sageek> ;p
[12:48] <zero[] > java? it's compiled
[12:48] <tbird> a ubuntu bot?
[12:48] <ago73> Burgundavia_, thx, I am using external repo only for things I do not find on ubuntu
[12:48] <jordanau> cafuego, jordan :D
[12:48] <cafuego> tbird: yeh.
[12:48] <cafuego> tbird: Just modified blootbot, so it can search ubuntu packages
[12:48] <tbird> kewl
[12:48] <Burgundavia_> ago73, there is a drive to include as much in Ubuntu as possible
[12:49] <thr1ce> no avid ET players here ?
[12:49] <ago73> Burgundavia_, I included restricted universe multiverse, I thought that was it. What is this driver thing?
[12:51] <Burgundavia_> ago73,  sorry, not drivers. NA english biting me again. An effort to make every peice of free software available in Ubuntu
[12:51] <jordanau> cafuego, name him FAP :D find any package
[12:51] <nico13> hi
[12:51] <jordanau> nickrud, hi
[12:51] <euphor] [a> busy channel, hello
[12:51] <nickrud> jordanau, hey
[12:51] <ago73> Burgundavia_, that would be nice, but for the time being I am just adding repos
[12:51] <jordanau> nickrud, heloo
[12:51] <Hydroxide> anyone know why I might have no /etc/rcS.d/modutils symlink in ubuntu hoary with the modutils package installed?
[12:52] <nickrud> jordanau, :)
[12:52] <ago73> Burgundavia_, the only external one I really need is debian-marillat has its content be incorporated into ubuntu?
[12:52] <Burgundavia_> ago73, hmm, copyright/patent issues with that one
[12:52] <nico13> i'm using hoary, and everytime I try to browse my usb hdd, it just hangs, and I never can access its data. is it a known problem?
[12:52] <zero[] > ah okay, download j2sdk1.4, hope it works
[12:52] <zero[] > downloading*
[12:53] <zero[] > jordanau: do you have previous programming experience?
[12:53] <jordanau> zero[] , good luck, one of my college's professors wrote one of the main IDE's for java
[12:53] <euphor] [a> what cool things can i do with my new ubuntu install?
[12:53] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, not get virii
[12:53] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, always a bonus
[12:54] <jordanau> zero[] , matlab, qbasic, gwbasic, python but none of them well (matlab the best, i took a course in it)
[12:54] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, you coming from linuxland or windowsland?
[12:54] <nico13> Burgundavia_, i't also true if you have a windows machine unplugged from the sector :)
[12:54] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, /me cuddles Tux ;)
[12:54] <zero[] > jordanau: i know the other 3 are interperted, is matlab also?
[12:54] <jordanau> euphor] [a, yes
[12:54] <jordanau> zero[] , yes
[12:55] <Burgundavia_> nico13, and ground up and cast into cement (I am an MCP, I should know these things)
[12:55] <zero[] > jordanau: java isn't so difficult, if you have a background in OOP it should be okay
[12:55] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, enjoy your nice desktop without having to compile anything
[12:55] <jordanau> zero[] , i do not know oop
[12:55] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, i'm looking into ubuntu for a friend, he'd like to get into Linux
[12:55] <nico13> lol
[12:55] <vitaminmoo> What's the easiest way to get a rather minimal ubuntu system (requirement: it's chrootable and/or boots) debootstrap seems to install a bunch of stuff I don't need
[12:55] <zero[] > jordanau: those classes move pretty fast, maybe you should do some pre-reading for the class
[12:55] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, I am going to move my family over
[12:56] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, the click install was refreshing, it all works out the box :)
[12:56] <zero[] > jordanau: in the university i went to, so many people failed the intro to java class it's not even funny
[12:56] <jordanau> zero[] , is classes a pun?
[12:56] <nico13> Burgundavia_, is it hald which manages usb hotplug?
[12:56] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, if you are setting up for a friend, do the restrictedformat and binarydriver stuff
[12:56] <Burgundavia_> nico13, yes
[12:56] <zero[] > jordanau: classes as in courses.. in school.. hehe
[12:57] <nico13> Burgundavia_, does it work ok for you? mine carshes everyday
[12:57] <Burgundavia_> nico13, no problems here. What is the history of your install?
[12:57] <zero[] > ah, java sdk works. i love ubuntu and apt-get!!
[12:57] <jordanau> zero[] , yeah i aced matlab, i understand the basic loops, knowing the importance or syntax, i can basically use a language as an advanced calculator
[12:57] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, oki, is there a wiki of unofficial docs for new users on getting started? i hear there are some extra debian servers i can add to apt-get to get the juicy apps
[12:57] <euphor] [a> s/of/or
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats and BinaryDriverHowTo to set up that stuff
[12:58] <nico13> well, just a regular hoary preview then updates, but I always had problems with my usb drive
[12:58] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, ta
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, the quickguide gives him an overview of all the apps in Ubuntu
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> nico13, hmm, tried other distros?
[12:58] <nico13> Burgundavia_, I was using gentoo without trouble with this drive, so it isn't a drive problem
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> nico13, file a bug
[12:58] <zero[] > jordanau: i'm assuming matlab is kinda like python right? java is a bit different, you'll be okay though. i like programming in java better than python (although i'm not so good in python)
[12:58] <jordanau> zero[] , one of the courses i will have to take is assebly, yay...
[12:58] <nico13> Burgundavia_, yep
[12:59] <jordanau> zero[] , matlab is based off of C
[12:59] <jordanau> zero[] , except it is interpreted
[12:59] <zero[] > jordanau: assembly, i wanna learn that, hehe. i'll probably learn it when i go back to school
[12:59] <zero[] > jordanau: ohh.. well c is oop, so you know the basic concept right?
[12:59] <jordanau> zero[] , no we didn't learn about oop
[01:00] <jordanau> zero[] , defining and calling functions is as close to that as i got
[01:00] <zero[] > jordanau: OOP is the greatest
[01:00] <zero[] > hehe
[01:00] <jordanau> zero[] , it allows alot of code reuse right?
[01:01] <flipy> is there any way to install ubuntu on a fake-raid?
[01:01] <ago73> apt-get update is MUCH faster than usual, this is good, but why?
[01:02] <cheniz> hi i need some help, is anyone there?
[01:02] <jordanau> cheniz, just ask
[01:02] <synic> flipy: yeah, but not full software raid.
[01:02] <Burgundavia_> ago73, less load on the servers, as most people have updated to hoary final
[01:02] <synic> flipy: full software raid is possible, but you have to do it after installation.
[01:02] <flipy> uhm
[01:03] <flipy> i can't... i just have one computer with a raid set
[01:03] <cheniz> i just installed kubuntu-desktop and then kdevelop 3.2. i cant find the linker option in kdevelop
[01:03] <synic> flipy: what do you mean?
[01:03] <Burgundavia_> cheniz, you might have a better time at #kubuntu
[01:03] <flipy> uhm, i've an amd64 with a via fake raid
[01:03] <cheniz> i want to include the math.h, but doesnt work. in version 3.0, the linker option was in project options dialogue
[01:04] <synic> flipy: oh, so you're not talking about software raid then
[01:04] <flipy> so i just one to start installtion
[01:04] <zero[] > jordanau: yeah
[01:04] <flipy> go to a console
[01:04] <cheniz> ok thanks
[01:04] <flipy> and map the partitions
[01:04] <flipy> and then let the installer continue
[01:04] <cheniz> i'll switch to kubuntu
[01:04] <cheniz> #kubuntu
[01:04] <michal_d> what kernel does the latest ubuntu use?
[01:04] <synic> 2.6.10
[01:05] <Chipparn> can anyone help me. i have followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 how to set up a chroot 32 bit environmen, how does it work is i wanna run xmms or mplayer in 32 bit mode? and install w32codecs?
[01:05] <michal_d> doh.. i think i may need 2.6.11
[01:06] <synic> hey, it's tbird
[01:06] <synic> tbird: how are ya?
[01:06] <tbird> sup synic long time no see
[01:06] <tbird> synic, been good how about you ?
[01:06] <synic> tbird: indeed.  not much, just converting my last archlinux box to ubuntu
[01:06] <Dragon546> hello all
[01:06] <tbird> synic, kewl
[01:07] <tbird> synic, im running breezy
[01:07] <synic> breezy ?
[01:07] <tbird> yeah
[01:07] <synic> didn't hoary just come out? lol
[01:07] <tbird> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l
[01:07] <Dragon546> has anyone used gyach-e on ubuntu and got it to work with voice
[01:07] <tbird> synic, yeah hoary is stable release
[01:08] <tbird> its the recomended install
[01:08] <pixil9> Can you get 5.1 sound with an sb live card?
[01:08] <flipy> tbird, where can i get that? and the installer has some support for fake-raid, like dmraid?
[01:08] <Moe|Joe> hi people
[01:08] <Moe|Joe> i need sum help
[01:08] <RustyShackleford> Can someone help me set up ndisswapper?  I just installed the build essentials.
[01:08] <pixil9> Moe|Joe, ask
[01:08] <flipy> RustyShackleford, what do you need to do?
[01:08] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:08] <mitza> what could i do to solve this problem ?
[01:08] <Moe|Joe> well im about to format my laptop and put ubuntu on
[01:08] <RustyShackleford> Install the ndisSwapper
[01:09] <LinuxJones> RustyShackleford,  , >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[01:09] <flipy> xDDD
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> oooooooo
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> no worries
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> i was gona ask about ndiswrapper
[01:09] <nico13> 'night guys
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> bt no need now
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> lol
[01:09] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:09] <tbird> Flipy i cannot recomend you install breezy, but if you wont it you can change your entrys in sources.list from hoary to breezy
[01:09] <nico13> Burgundavia_, ciao
[01:09] <tbird> but like i said i dont recomend it
[01:09] <RustyShackleford> wrapper that is.  Linuxjones, I got that, but I couldn't extract into usr/src
[01:09] <tbird> its not stable
[01:09] <QMario> Where can I go to paste code?
[01:09] <flipy> tbird, oks.. :(
[01:09] <euphor] [a> no wheel group?
[01:09] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:09] <stazz> how can I get syntax hilighting to console-based vim?
[01:10] <QMario> I meant what website.
[01:10] <nickrud> stazz: add syntax on to ~/.vimrc
[01:10] <tbird> flipy, ive had no real trouble with it
[01:10] <LinuxJones> RustyShackleford,  you install ndiswrapper from the install cd
[01:10] <flipy> tbird, the fact is that i thought it had a new installer...
[01:10] <RustyShackleford> What install CD?
[01:11] <pixil9> Is there an ubuntu floppy install?
[01:11] <tbird> flipy, theres no cds for it i dont think
[01:11] <pixil9> i got an old laptop here :P
[01:11] <LinuxJones> RustyShackleford,  your on a livecd ?
[01:11] <flipy> RustyShackleford, why do you want to have the linux source tree to get ndiswrapper working?
[01:11] <stazz> nickrud: thanks
[01:11] <euphor] [a> how can I su?
[01:11] <tbird> synic, why dont you ever  come to #linuxfriends anymore?
[01:11] <flipy> my system is hanging with linux-image-2.6.11
[01:12] <QMario> I will.
[01:12] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a, sudo -s (enter your user password) for root prompt
[01:12] <RustyShackleford> I'm just trying to follow the directions.  It says to untar the ndiswrapper tar to /usr/src
[01:12] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:12] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, thanks
[01:12] <nickrud> mitza, apparently noone knows, try again later
[01:12] <mitza> ok
[01:12] <mitza> :D
[01:12] <tbird> flipy, mine hangs with 2.6.11 too
[01:13] <flipy> tbird, I don't get why...
[01:13] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, can su work too? equiv to wheel group/
[01:13] <flipy> RustyShackleford, why don't you just download the binary and the modules?
[01:13] <tbird> flipy, i get a kernel panic
[01:13] <mklebel> how would i fully remove gnome after an install?
[01:13] <flipy> tbird, I don't have time to see any log
[01:13] <tbird> about the root= being wrong
[01:13] <flipy> that's weird
[01:13] <RustyShackleford> I don't know how.  I'm trying to go by these damn directions.
[01:13] <tbird> and its exact to the 2.6.10
[01:14] <flipy> so maybe it's a bad compilation of the kernel?
[01:14] <nickrud> mklebel, apt-get remove --purge libglib2.0-0
[01:14] <tbird> flipy, but im sure it has something to do with running breezy
[01:14] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a, it can but Ubuntu uses sudo and there is really no need to enable the root account
[01:14] <flipy> tbird, well, I tried it in two laptops and they hang with 2.6.11
[01:15] <tbird> flipy, oh
[01:15] <nickrud> euphor] [a, it feels weird for a while, but you get used to it
[01:15] <zero[] > is there an easy way to edit the Applications menu?
[01:15] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, you cannot login as root?
[01:15] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a, a little more info for you >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:15] <euphor] [a> nickrud, heh, yeah
[01:15] <psoleko> hello
[01:16] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, thanks
[01:16] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a,  have fun :)
[01:16] <LinuxJones> zero[] , search the ubuntu forums for meuneditor
[01:16] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, cheers ;)
[01:16] <zero[] > i thought i can nautlius to applications:/// but it doesn't work
[01:16] <Chipparn> what do i have to do if i wanna run 32 bit apps in my 64bit horay. i have allredy followed a guide to do a chroot 32bit enviroment, where do i go from here? do i need to "switch" from 64bit to 32 bit mode or something like that?
[01:16] <zero[] > linuxjones; k
[01:17] <euphor] [a> Chipparn, you'll have to chroot into your 32bit environment
[01:18] <RustyShackleford> How do I untar something to the /usr/src directory?
[01:18] <Chipparn> euphor] [a: ok.. how do i do that? dchroot -d?
[01:18] <zenrox> RustyShackleford,  be in that dir then do sudo tar -xzvf somefile.tar.gz
[01:18] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, cd to /usr/src, sudo tar xf <apthtotarfile>
[01:18] <fateisajester> does any one here use xpde?
[01:19] <pixil9> Does anyone know if i can floppy install ubuntu?
[01:19] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, z for tar.gz, j for tar.bz2
[01:19] <Moe|Joe> (pixil9): dont tink u can
[01:19] <krusbjorn> can you afford the floppy discs needed? ;)
[01:19] <ironwolf_> pixil9: not that I've ever heard of.
[01:19] <pixil9> that sucks
[01:19] <euphor] [a> Chipparn, i'm new to ubuntu, but usually it would be something like 'linux32 chroot /your/32bit/sys /bin/bash --login'
[01:20] <ironwolf_> pixil9: do you not have a cdrom drive?
[01:20] <pixil9> its for an old laptop.. p1 233 no cdrom
[01:20] <zero[] > LinuxJones: cool, i got it working
[01:20] <cyphase> pixil9: you could try network install
[01:20] <psoleko> howabout a pcmcia cdrom?
[01:20] <Moe|Joe> (pixil9): network install?
[01:20] <pixil9> can i start a net install by floppy?
[01:20] <cyphase> lol
[01:20] <sageek> god i like ubuntu so much! :o
[01:20] <] BreliC[> anyone know what a /.dev is?
[01:21] <pixil9> sageek: me too. i just switched from my manual setup on debian
[01:21] <] BreliC[> it shows up in my 'df -h' now?
[01:21] <sageek> I just moved from slackware
[01:21] <sageek> and i loved slackware very much
[01:21] <cyphase> sageek: Ubuntu is god
[01:21] <sageek> and ubuntu is so.. hooo. amazing!
[01:21] <sageek> I AGREE!
[01:21] <Moe|Joe> i moved from fedora
[01:21] <goldfish> sageek: do u prefer it over slackware?
[01:21] <Moe|Joe> jus was interested in wht this is like
[01:21] <sageek> ofcourse!
[01:21] <sageek> It has lots of updates, and quick ones
[01:21] <] BreliC[> I moved from SuSE
[01:22] <nickrud> ] BreliC[, it's the old /dev, replaced by the new /dev (managed by udev)
[01:22] <sageek> desktop looks amazing without even touching it
[01:22] <cyphase> Ubuntu is king of desktops, and Debian is king of servers
[01:22] <sageek> FGLRX EVEN WORKS GOOD!
[01:22] <krusbjorn> what is the command to insert something at the end of a file, like "[command]  This is now the last line in the file." ?
[01:22] <cyphase> although you can use Ubuntu for servers
[01:22] <pixil9> i prefer freebsd for servers
[01:22] <] BreliC[> nickrud, is it something i should worry about?
[01:22] <Moe|Joe> althou i am currently on a windows machine...i wana get my laptop on ubuntu coz it runs really smooth
[01:22] <cyphase> well, i'm talking linux
[01:22] <sageek> so far
[01:22] <sageek> DAMN GOOD
[01:22] <sageek> :)
[01:22] <cyphase> i don't have much experience with the BSD's
[01:22] <nickrud> ] BreliC[, no, and debian is discussing how to hide it better
[01:22] <goldfish> krusbjorn: you could do , echo "blah" >>file
[01:22] <goldfish> *>> file
[01:22] <] BreliC[> nickrud, ok, thanks for the info
[01:22] <krusbjorn> goldfish: thanks :)
[01:23] <goldfish> np
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> ooo thts a point...anyone recommend a good distro for a webserver?
[01:23] <goldfish> netbsd
[01:23] <goldfish> :)
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> easy to use?
[01:23] <goldfish> mmmm
[01:23] <goldfish> Ubuntu ? :)
[01:23] <sageek> i was wondering like 10 hours ago if i should go with ubuntu, like its new to me and so
[01:23] <pixil9> Moe|Joe: freebsd is easy. grab the mini install
[01:23] <sageek> now i'm sure, its freaking good ;p
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> lol
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> okie
[01:27] <riji> how to use "mount" to mount a ntfs partiTon?
[01:27] <psoleko> Does anyone know of any hardware monitoring software for an nforce3
[01:27] <MidnightDevil> mount -t ntfs ?
[01:27] <] BreliC[> riji, mount -t ntfs
[01:27] <pixil9> riji: which hard drive is it on?
[01:27] <riji> hdb
[01:27] <] BreliC[> mount /dev/hdxY /place/to/mount -t ntfs
[01:30] <RustyShackleford> Can somebody help me with #5?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/view?searchterm=ndis
[01:30] <riji> it says "the mountpoint /media/windisk doesn't exist"
[01:31] <pixil9> http://images.koffer.ee/uploads/a799142535.png
[01:31] <pixil9> that's sweet instead of the little footprint
[01:31] <nickrud> riji, you need to mkdir /media/windisk first.
[01:31] <riji> gahh
[01:31] <riji> thx
[01:31] <nickrud> riji, don't you love those blind spots :)
[01:32] <riji> grr :)
[01:33] <riji> hmm iss there a way too ad apps to the "gimp-start_menu"?
[01:33] <scott> pixil9: is that your screenshot?
[01:35] <pixil9> no
[01:35] <pixil9> i just grabbed the pngs for that tho
[01:35] <snatch> is the root password set on installation?
[01:35] <nickrud> snatch, no root password :)
[01:35] <scott> pixil9: do you know how to change the gnome-panel icon like that?
[01:35] <snatch> oh ;)
[01:36] <cyphase> you can set it though
[01:36] <nickrud> use sudo or sudo -s
[01:36] <snatch> su doesnt work huh?
[01:36] <nickrud> you'll get used to it
[01:36] <snatch> crazy
[01:36] <pixil9> scott: sec
[01:36] <djones> snatch: the password is the same as the first user you set up
[01:36] <jreuter> Does anyone know of a good mp3 player?  I've installed XMMS from the package manager but it hangs.  Installed Zinf from command line, but can't figure out how to start it... any help would be great!
[01:37] <snatch> not working djones
[01:37] <sageek> hrm for some reason when i try to run evolution it doesn't run, and on console when i type evolution it says es menu class init
[01:37] <sageek> and nothing occurs
[01:37] <scott> jreuter: I like totem, rhythmbox and muine
[01:37] <jreuter> totem isn't working either
[01:37] <jreuter> I'll try rhythmbox ...
[01:37] <cyphase> jreuter: whats the problem?
[01:37] <snatch> no pw doesnt work either, i cant login as root at the login screen
[01:37] <jreuter> not sure
[01:37] <cyphase> jreuter: with totem
[01:38] <jreuter> ah ... it gives me an error like it can't read the file
[01:38] <nickrud> snatch, you cannot use root account with a standard install
[01:38] <Seibol> anyone know of a good pdf password craker for linux out there?
[01:38] <jreuter> does the same with avi
[01:38] <Seibol> I just need read-only access to the file
[01:38] <cyphase> jreuter: try installing the appropriate gstreamer plugins
[01:38] <djones> snatch, su with your primary user pass
[01:38] <jreuter> ok.
[01:39] <djones> snatch, once su you can create a password for root with 'passwd root'
[01:39] <snatch> okay
[01:39] <snatch> let me try that
[01:39] <snatch> thanks djones
[01:40] <djones> snatch: :)
[01:40] <riji> djones: what? i can't login with mi pw as su :S
[01:40] <riji> mi=my :S
[01:40] <djones> yeah, its weird, I'm not sure why they did it this way
[01:41] <djones> once you create a root password you can login as root, but su doesn't work very well from multipule accounts
[01:41] <riji> have tried all pwds i had
[01:41] <nickrud> riji, try sudo passwd root
[01:41] <Twiggy> Anybody know the cdrecord command to burn a .bin and .cue as a full cd?
[01:42] <PacoBCN> Twiggy, didn't even know .bin and .cue were supported by cdrecord :S
[01:42] <thierry_> Twiggy, I'm searching it too, since gnomebaker doesn't support .bin and .cue
[01:42] <cafuego> PacoBCN: Theyre not, really. You use cdrdao for them.
[01:42] <GuruFF> lo, quick question i have upgraded to Hoary, question i have ubuntu-desktop package not installed (just realized) what is that package, description is not descriptive????????
[01:42] <PacoBCN> ou can also use bchunk to convert bin/cue CD-images to iso...
[01:43] <PacoBCN> from google
[01:43] <cafuego> PacoBCN: Yes, but that is not bin/cue support in cdrecord
[01:43] <thierry_> Twiggy, I know k3b can also do it but I don't know how to install it on ubuntu
[01:43] <Twiggy> PacoBCN:  I did it once, it's was frieken huge but it works
[01:43] <nickrud> GuruFF, ubuntu desktop is the selection of packages the ubuntu developers think you need.
[01:43] <PacoBCN> cafuego, I know, that's what I say
[01:44] <hyphenated> what the... some evolution setup screen just came up for no decent reasin, trying to email 'dotslash at snosoft.com'
[01:44] <jreuter> cyphase:  I installed all the gstreamer plugins ... it still says there were no decoders found
[01:45] <elderic> hi there :)
[01:45] <nickrud> jreuter, do you have universe enabled in your repositories?
[01:45] <jreuter> umm ... not sure... let me check
[01:45] <elderic> does anyone have problems with memory recognition on hoary 5.04? kernel is 2.6.10
[01:45] <GuruFF> nickrud; yeah, but what does it do ?? ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-live ????
[01:45] <elderic> I got 1.5 gb ram, but it only recognizes about 1
[01:46] <elderic> and lists about 400 mb as inactive
[01:46] <elderic> could someone explain to me what that means?
[01:46] <nickrud> ubuntu-desktop is a 'meta-package', it just depends on other packages.
[01:46] <nickrud> install it, and it installs all the packages it depends on.
[01:46] <Moe|Joe> im guess tht rpm's dont work on ubuntu then
[01:46] <nickrud> if you want, you can remove it as soon as the install's done.
[01:47] <jreuter> nickrud: Where would I see that... I'm in repositories, but I don't see anything that says universe... not in setting either
[01:47] <amonkey> how can i alt-tab out of games like ut2004 too change the song on xmms or the like?
[01:49] <nickrud> jreuter, hit the add button, then check Community supported (universe)
[01:49] <] BreliC[> ablyss, nice :)
[01:49] <FR500> hello
[01:49] <cartel_> hey all
[01:49] <jreuter> ok
[01:50] <cartel_> does ubuntu have issues reading joliet/rockridge?
[01:50] <synic> anyone using ndiswrapper on hoary?
[01:50] <ablyss> thanks :)
[01:50] <cartel_> is it not included?
[01:50] <synic> I keep getting "operation not permitted" when I modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:50] <nickrud> jreuter, now you'll some gstreamer plugins.
[01:50] <nickrud> uninstalled ones :)
[01:51] <FR500> is there a way to use load balancing in two internet links i have?cd vmware-distrib/
[01:51] <FR500> is there a way to use load balancing in two internet links i have?
[01:52] <Moe|Joe> (ablyss): u got mIRC running on ubuntu?
[01:54] <beh> how can i make xterm transparent
[01:54] <FR500> beh, settings--preferences--text box
[01:54] <jordanau> go to profiles
[01:55] <FR500> beh, transparent background
[01:55] <beh> FR500 im talking about xterm not gnomes terminal
[01:55] <FR500> ohhh
[01:55] <FR500> ok
[01:55] <FR500> sorry
[01:56] <beh> np
[01:56] <beh> ive done before can't remember now
[01:57] <Seibol> anyone know of a pdf password bypasser/cracker for linux
[01:57] <nickrud> beh, are you sure it was xterm, and not eterm or aterm?
[01:57] <] BreliC[> does anyone know how to tell the 'sox' program to use my lame encoder?
[01:58] <sig> man xterm
[01:58] <sig> it is in the man page
[01:58] <] BreliC[> i'm trying to convert my recorded guitar jams from .wav to .mp3 using lame encoder (which I have installed) using sox
[01:58] <beh> nickrud i know it wasnt eterm
[01:58] <newbie_> hey guys, how come when i kill a process with xkill, i cant not open the program again, untill i restart
[01:58] <beh> maybe aterm
[01:58] <beh> for some reason i remember doing it on both
[01:58] <] BreliC[> it works fine in converting to .ogg without specifying the location of ogg encoder.. anyone have a clue?
[01:59] <nickrud> beh, sig says it's in the man page, but searching for trans finds nothing :)
[02:00] <beh> newbie_ try killall -9 programname
[02:00] <slappy16> nickrud: whats the question?
[02:00] <sig> google it
[02:00] <nickrud> slappy16, making an xterm transparent
[02:00] <slappy16> ohh..its in the man.. :)
[02:01] <mikeco> isn't it -t
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> heya
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> a basic question
[02:01] <slappy16> you're right
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> how do i burn a bin file to a cd?
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> using command line?
[02:01] <slappy16> wtf..aterm and Eterm had it in man
[02:01] <sig> type this in a terminal beh xterm -transparency 200
[02:02] <beh> sig i tried
[02:02] <beh> sig you got that from google lol
[02:02] <beh> sig transparency isnt a valid option
[02:02] <slappy16> no kid
[02:03] <R0bNyc> Hello, anyone can provide me the 2.10 aloth repository sources.list
[02:03] <sig> beh: yeah just reading that xterm has nothing for transparency
[02:03] <slappy16> aterm, or Eterm
[02:03] <slappy16> they do it..and its in man!
[02:04] <mikeco> you could use composite extension to make it transparent
[02:04] <nickrud> thought I was loosing my mind :)
[02:04] <] BreliC[> MidnightDevil, do a 'man cdrdao'
[02:04] <beh> ill get aterm
[02:04] <mikeco> that way it would be real trans
[02:04] <Moe|Joe> im havin a problem installing ndiswrapper
[02:04] <fgx> hello, im experiencing some problems with firefox 1.0.2 in hoary.
[02:05] <fgx> is a log for firefox available?
[02:05] <GUISlave> Hey Tony.  :)
[02:05] <Moe|Joe> "/bin/sh: line 1:fakeroot: command not found"
[02:05] <Andril> hell all again
[02:05] <Seibol> only need read-only access to the pdf
[02:05] <Andril> helo*
[02:05] <Andril> damn *hello
[02:05] <nickrud> Moe|Joe, apt-get install fakeroot
[02:05] <Moe|Joe> k
[02:05] <Seibol> SLAPPY!
[02:06] <fgx> firefox seems to crash/freeze when loading sites with flash contents
[02:06] <Andril> I am having booting back into my ubuntu drive after changing the cdrom - is this something familiar?
[02:06] <maddler> fgx... on a 64bit processor?
[02:06] <] BreliC[> fgx it's probably because you don't have flash installed.. or do you?
[02:06] <delltony> where can one get mplayer now or is it long gone? i added the old repositories and did a apt-update and see mplayer-368 and all in the list however when i try to install i get the good ol dependency errors like folks have reported on the forums however i don't know how to get around them. or is mplayer dead?
[02:06] <Moe|Joe> (nickrud): it aint working..
[02:06] <fgx> maddler, ] BreliC[ flash is installed and it is on 32bit cpu
[02:07] <maddler> fgx... did u used the deb package? or download from macromedia?
[02:07] <Moe|Joe> "E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-uname -r'
[02:07] <bob2> delltony: get rid of your marillat source, it's in multiverse
[02:07] <bob2> Moe|Joe: yes, you spelt it wrong
[02:07] <delltony> aww ok
[02:07] <Moe|Joe> ?
[02:08] <Moe|Joe> where to?
[02:08] <Moe|Joe> lol
[02:08] <delltony> didn't realize it was in there now thanks
[02:08] <bob2> Moe|Joe: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:08] <LinuxJones> Moe|Joe, linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:08] <darkaudit> delltony: I built my own .deb from the original source pkg... the developers suggest one builds their own...
[02:08] <Andril> I am really loving Hoary - but I am having issues with booting into my drive - I get "Error2" - any help?
[02:08] <fgx> maddler, mmm i use same flash plugin i used with previous firefox in warty. i installed it from macromedia
[02:08] <bob2> the developers are on crack, though
[02:09] <bob2> best to ignore them when they say things like that
[02:09] <maddler> fgx... dunno then...
[02:09] <sig> fgx: get the flash plugin from ubuntuguide.org
[02:09] <darkaudit> delltony: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[02:09] <delltony> thanks
[02:10] <mikeco> beh, http://alexis.myphotos.cc/trans-e16.png
[02:10] <mikeco> gah
[02:10] <darkaudit> not all those switches are necessary, or will even work these days, though...
[02:10] <Moe|Joe> so wot do i type then to this then?
[02:10] <Timbo> http://www.imagine-msn.com/Spaces/Default.aspx <--- worrying?
[02:10] <Andril> has anyone used teh PPC version on the g3 ibook yet?
[02:11] <Moe|Joe> dont worry
[02:11] <Moe|Joe> working now
[02:11] <Moe|Joe> :)
[02:11] <jreuter> I've downloaded several plugins and players for mp3s but I'm not getting "could not open resource for writing"  ... ?
[02:11] <jreuter> *now
[02:11] <nickrud> jreuter, gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:11] <slappy16> SEIBOL!
[02:11] <darkaudit> delltony: the main thing you need off that page is the list of packages to install... there are Debian instructions included with the source
[02:12] <doubleplus> Would the K7 kernel or the 386 be better for a K8 system?
[02:12] <imperfect-> Anyone know the process by whcih I can find out what kind of sound card I have on this board?
[02:12] <imperfect-> It's built in.
[02:12] <bob2> doubleplus: the k8 one would be best
[02:12] <jreuter> nickrud:  That one is installed
[02:12] <b2s> doubleplus: I'm using the k8 kernel :P
[02:12] <doubleplus> bob2, I don't see a k8 package, and I'd like to stay away from custom kernels
[02:12] <nickrud> jreuter, and rhythmbox won't play mp3s?
[02:13] <Timbo> gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:13] <doubleplus> imperfect-, do you know what motherboard you have?
[02:13] <mikeco> get all of gstreamer
[02:13] <bob2> doubleplus: you're not using the amd64 port of ubuntu?
[02:13] <jreuter> I think rhythmbox is the only one I haven't tried... let me check
[02:13] <doubleplus> bob2, no sir
[02:13] <mikeco> it's a small package anyway
[02:13] <imperfect-> doubleplus: LGA775 Intel of some description... lemme see if I Cna find the box
[02:13] <Timbo> jreuter: and you restarted rhythmbox after installing gstreamer0.8-mad?
[02:14] <doubleplus> bob2, I want wine, and I was pretty sure that doesn't work with 64-bit kernels yet
[02:14] <RustyShackleford> Can somebody help me with #1 in the installing windows driver part?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/view?searchterm=ndis
[02:14] <jreuter> hmmm ... I'm using KDE, does rhythmbox work in KDE?
[02:14] <b2s> doubleplus: you could run a 64bit base OS with a 32bit chroot...
[02:14] <jreuter> it doesn't show up in my list of apps
[02:14] <nickrud> doh!
[02:14] <imperfect-> doubleplus : Yeah, Intel D915GAG -- all it says is "Intel High Definition Audio"
[02:14] <doubleplus> b2s, I have no idea what that means :)
[02:15] <nickrud> jreuter, ask on #kubuntu :)
[02:15] <jreuter> ah... ok
[02:15] <imperfect-> 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:15] <fazer> Hi, can someone point me to an article/howto/tutoitral that makes Linux faster .  had to do with the HD something, forgot the command.
[02:15] <imperfect-> That's what lspci says
[02:15] <imperfect-> fazer: prolly hdparam
[02:15] <doubleplus> imperfect-, Realtek ALC860
[02:15] <fgx> sig, ok done. hope it will work smoothly. is there a log file available for firefox?
[02:15] <mikeco> yeah, turn on dma i'm guessing
[02:16] <doubleplus> imperfect-, I'd think the generic oboard audio driver would be fine. what's the problem?
[02:16] <fazer> imperfect-: ah, there we go!  Have you used it?
[02:16] <b2s> doubleplus: :) it means you'd install a full copy of the 64bit os as your main OS, and then only the things that require 32bit in a seperate area.  the k8 CPU can run both at the same time, you just need to have it seperated for the libraries
[02:16] <mikeco> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdx or whatnot
[02:16] <doubleplus> b2s, would the only advantage be improved performance?
[02:16] <pixil9> How can i make my user be abe to access a mounted ntfs partition
[02:16] <imperfect-> doubleplus : It doesn't work at all ;)
[02:17] <imperfect-> doubleplus : isn't detected etc.
[02:17] <imperfect-> fazer: yeah, you prolly just wanna turn in DMA and stuff
[02:18] <LinuxJones> pixil9, that info is here >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:18] <b2s> doubleplus: yeah basically.  I'm trying to think of something else good, but I can't. :)
[02:19] <doubleplus> b2s, lol. I think I'll just stick with 32-bit for now
[02:19] <b2s> pixil9: need to adjust mount options probably.  you mean read-only right?
[02:19] <imperfect-> hrm.
[02:19] <imperfect-> Is there a sound configuration utility that ships w/ hoary?
[02:19] <doubleplus> so out of k7, 386, and 586 architectures, which do you think would perform best for my k8?
[02:19] <b2s> doubleplus: I stayed 32bit until hoary, but since it finally supports all my hardware I decided to at least try 64bit.
[02:20] <imperfect-> doubleplus : the amd optimizations will probably be the closest.
[02:20] <fazer> imperfect-: try 'alsamixer'
[02:20] <imperfect-> fazer: that's only going to work if I have a sound card that's working ;)
[02:20] <b2s> doubleplus: I'd think probably 686 or k7 would be the best bet. k8 has more features than k7, so 686 might be better...
[02:20] <doubleplus> b2s, yeah I tried the 64bit Fedora Core 3 last year, and it was hell, so I figured I'd stay with 32-bit for a while and avoid a few headaches
[02:20] <fazer> imperfect-: 0h, are you on  a laptop?
[02:21] <doubleplus> thanks for the advice, guys
[02:21] <busfahrer> doubleplus: If you want to optimise an application for K8 but 32 bits, you can use -march=athlon-xp -msse2
[02:21] <imperfect-> fazer: nope, desktop
[02:21] <fazer> imperfect-: hmm, ah, i see
[02:21] <doubleplus> busfahrer, are those boot parameters?
[02:22] <fazer> imperfect-: ah, i see.
[02:22] <fazer> imperfect-: i went through hell to configure *my* couns card, it was on a laptopp
[02:22] <busfahrer> doubleplus: Nevermind, I think I misunderstood.
[02:23] <fazer> bah, i don't know why I wrote *my* ..
[02:23] <imperfect-> fazer: is there a utility?
[02:23] <imperfect-> fazer: it doesn't even seem to scan for it.
[02:23] <doubleplus> imperfect-, I used xmms to detect my sound cards, lol
[02:24] <fazer> imperfect-: oh, damn, it doesn't pick up on lspci?
[02:24] <imperfect-> doubleplus:hehe
[02:24] <imperfect-> fazer: it's there
[02:24] <fazer> imperfect-: hmm, can't help you there sadly, mine showed in lspci but still needed much configing.
[02:24] <imperfect-> fazer: But I have no sound ;)
[02:24] <imperfect-> And I dont know what chipset it is
[02:24] <imperfect-> so I can't even try to insert modules
[02:24] <imperfect-> ;)
[02:25] <dockane> hi all ... i ve got a question to xpdf / acroreader: i created with OOo under window$ a 2 coloumn page. i managed to print this page to din a4 with the the function "export to pdf.." and then printed it from acrobat reader "no page allignment". that gave a fine result: both coloumns did not get cut at their side or anything else funky. now i would like to repeat that with ubuntu but both xpdf and acroreader print funky pages i.e. the 2nd colo
[02:25] <dockane> umn gets at the right by 2 cm. i got a workaround in window$, no i am looking for one in ubuntu
[02:25] <fazer> imperfect-: what is the name of the scound card that lspci shows?
[02:25] <dockane> *gets cut
[02:26] <imperfect-> fazer: 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:27] <mikeco> how different is breezy from hoary?
[02:27] <nickrud> mikeco, broken vs working :)
[02:27] <mikeco> well, yes, but i  mean libs
[02:28] <mikeco> libs, drivers
[02:28] <pune> hey I've just downloaded a .bin file and ubuntu gives me an error that says it's unrecognized? Does anyone know how it can be recognized
[02:28] <b2s> has anyone played with Xen on Ubunutu?
[02:28] <fazer> imperfect-: are you on gnome? Do you see a volume controler on the taskbar?
[02:28] <fazer> pune: are you launching it from the command line?
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> hi
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> tis moejoe here
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> i got an error
[02:28] <nickrud> mikeco, not much yet, they're still syncing with debian.
[02:28] <imperfect-> fazer: nope.. no sound
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:/usr/src # dpkg -i --force-overwrite ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> dpkg: error processing ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb (--install):
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L>  ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb
[02:28] <pune> fazer, no, just from the desktop where it was downloaded to
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> i get tht error wen i type this command
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|L> dpkg -i --force-overwrite ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb
[02:29] <fazer> pune: launch it from the command line
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|L> can anyone help me
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|L> ?
[02:29] <fazer> pune: make sure its chmodded properly and type ./file_name.bin
[02:29] <chrisg_> how do i configure bittorrent setup?
[02:30] <nickrud> Moe|Joe|L, sounds like the deb is not in the directory you're working in.
[02:30] <Moe|Joe|L> hmm
[02:30] <pune> fazer, how do you chmodd it?
[02:30] <slappy16> chmox +x filename
[02:30] <slappy16> chmod
[02:31] <iNdRo> hi
[02:31] <iNdRo> how i can display a line from a text file?
[02:31] <pune> ok
[02:31] <iNdRo> in shell
[02:31] <Moe|Joe|L> ooo it done now
[02:31] <iNdRo> anyone know that?
[02:31] <slappy16> display a line?
[02:31] <slappy16> one line? many?
[02:31] <bpuccio> iNdRo: cat file.txt | grep <word found in the line>
[02:31] <iNdRo> yes
[02:31] <iNdRo> one line
[02:31] <iNdRo> i dont want search the file
[02:31] <iNdRo> i want display one line
[02:32] <slappy16> do you want to grep?
[02:32] <nickrud> grep <some string in the line> file
[02:32] <slappy16> which line?
[02:32] <tbird> cat /some/file |grep <whatever>
[02:32] <slappy16> a random line?
[02:32] <chrisg_> anyone know how to configure gnome-btdownload ports ?
[02:32] <iNdRo> to example: line 3
[02:32] <iNdRo> from file blah.txt
[02:32] <slappy16> damn,...why do i know this
[02:32] <Moe|Joe|L> wot windows driver do i need to use for my wifi adapter
[02:32] <nickrud> slappy16, nurd
[02:32] <slappy16> do you want to vi it? or you want line three for sure
[02:33] <iNdRo> i want display it in shell
[02:33] <slappy16> a nurd?
[02:33] <iNdRo> like cat but there i cannot show only one line
[02:33] <cyphase> i just tried to remove the laptop-detect package in 5.04, and it removed all kinds of other packages. anyone know why it does this?
[02:33] <nickrud> slappy16, nerd in disguise :)
[02:33] <chrisg_> i think you can do that using vim ex mode
[02:33] <iNdRo> how i can do that?
[02:33] <copilot> My monitor was recognized in warty, but not in hoary. I can't use any resolutions about 1024x768 even though my monitor and video card support much higher resolutions.
[02:33] <copilot> about=above
[02:34] <copilot> any ideas?
[02:34] <iNdRo> chrisg_ i want display it on the shell
[02:34] <iNdRo> not in a tool
[02:34] <slappy16> IndRo: head -3 <filename> | tail -1
[02:34] <iNdRo> i want read out a line
[02:34] <nickrud> copilot, just exactly what monitor do you have
[02:34] <iNdRo> for a kommander script
[02:34] <slappy16> IndRo: head -3 <filename> | tail -1
[02:34] <copilot> Samsung SyncMaster 955df
[02:34] <iNdRo> yes thats it, thx slappy:)
[02:35] <nickrud> google for it, along with horizontal refresh
[02:35] <slappy16> np
[02:35] <nickrud> the monitor, that is
[02:36] <copilot> I have the horiz and vert rates set correctly, but the highest resolution I can get out of it is 1024x768.
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> argh i got a problem installing a windows driver
[02:37] <nickrud> copilot, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. It will have some lines like 'Default mode', see what it says.
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:~ # ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/NETCG54L.INF
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> netcg54l is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernal/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:~ #
[02:38] <bob2> use sudo
[02:38] <nickrud> Moe|Joe|L, sudo modprobe
[02:38] <iNdRo> slappy16: do you know how i save the output in a variable?
[02:38] <bob2> not sure why you created a root account at all
[02:38] <slappy16> uh..  you cant pipe it into a var?
[02:38] <Raven_> kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.
[02:38] <Raven_> Please help! It is driving me crazy!
[02:38] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager moveend", in one example
[02:38] <iNdRo> test=head -$count test.txt | tail -1
[02:38] <iNdRo> -bash: -3: command not found
[02:38] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager movestart", is a second example
[02:38] <iNdRo> slappy16: not possible?!
[02:39] <bob2> iNdRo: why did you start it with a '-'?
[02:39] <bean> ican't install mplayer
[02:39] <bob2> Raven_: #kubuntu
[02:39] <pune> Raven_, what are you trying to get to work?
[02:39] <slappy16> export VAR= `head -3 file | tail -1`
[02:39] <slappy16> if its bash
[02:39] <iNdRo> bob2 in $count is a number
[02:39] <bob2> bean: remove the marillat lines from your sources.list
[02:39] <iNdRo> its bash, thanks:)
[02:39] <bean> i am new to linux...used windows
[02:39] <bob2> iNdRo: indeed, but then your command is invalid
[02:39] <slappy16> ya, exports your dood
[02:39] <bob2> iNdRo: do what slappy16 said
[02:39] <amonkey> lol, new to linux, only have used bsd
[02:40] <slappy16> so what if bsd is mature +30 years!
[02:40] <amonkey> seriously, what else would you be uncomfortable coming from
[02:40] <Raven_> I have tryed kunbuntu but no help non on kde ether.
[02:40] <Moe|Joe|L> nickrud, same error :(
[02:40] <slappy16> minux
[02:40] <slappy16> plan 9
[02:40] <slappy16> pesos
[02:40] <slappy16> vax
[02:40] <Raven_> I just want that little window to stop popping up each time I use a window.
[02:40] <slappy16> anyone...anyone?
[02:40] <bean> hmmmm.... you would have to tell me this stuff like to a retard
[02:41] <slappy16> thats no P.C.
[02:41] <bean> i tried changing the line in terminal
[02:41] <nickrud> Moe|Joe|L, that's what I
[02:41] <nickrud> do
[02:41] <bean> nothing happened
[02:42] <Raven_> the little window seems to say what C++ call is being used
[02:42] <] BreliC[> hmm, anyone know offhand how to truncate the file extension in a bash file conversion script?
[02:42] <slappy16> basename?
[02:42] <slappy16> basename
[02:42] <Raven_> for example if I move the firefox window is says movestart and then moveend
[02:43] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: ${variable%.ext}
[02:43] <] BreliC[> i basically have 'for i in $(ls); do sox $i $i.ogg; done'
[02:43] <] BreliC[> hyphenated, ok, so the % will truncate the extension?
[02:43] <fazer> pune: did it work now?
[02:43] <narg_> Hrm, does cron work for most peaple (when sudoing/root), or is it just me that it gives uid errors to?
[02:43] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: uh.. no. you have to say what the extension is
[02:43] <Raven_> any ideas anyone?
[02:43] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: it's not magic, y'know :-)
[02:44] <slappy16> cron works well
[02:44] <slappy16> yep
[02:44] <] BreliC[> hyphenated, heh
[02:44] <narg_> hrm...
[02:44] <narg_> I assumed it was messed because of sudo scheme.
[02:44] <slappy16> BreliC: i think you want to basename so you dont end up with file.wav.ogg or file.mp3.ogg
[02:44] <narg_> hrm, Ill create the root account and see if it it works. I like root more than sudo anyways...
[02:44] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: eg: if they are .mp3 files, you'd do ${i%.mp3}.ogg to change the name from file.mp3 to file.ogg
[02:45] <slappy16> ohh, good one hyphenated
[02:45] <copilot> I must be dyslexic, inverted the sizes.. I was trying to get 1024x1280 to work instead of 1280x1024
[02:45] <] BreliC[> hyphenated, hmm, i think i didn't describe my problem correctly.  slappy16 described my problem
[02:46] <] BreliC[> it converts from .wav to .ogg but makes it file.wav.ogg
[02:46] <slappy16> ya, you need basename
[02:46] <pune> fazer, yeah, thanks alot
[02:47] <] BreliC[> slappy16, how do i use basename?  is that a command?
[02:47] <hyphenated> basename won't help
[02:47] <slappy16> eh ? why not?
[02:47] <slappy16> basename strips suffixes
[02:47] <slappy16> why wont it work?
[02:47] <hyphenated> well, you have to specify the suffix
[02:47] <slappy16> or i in *.mp3.mp3 ; do n=`basename "$i" .mp3.mp3` mv "$i" "$n".mp3 done
[02:48] <slappy16> thats a cut'n'paste
[02:48] <nickrud> `basename $file .prn`.jpg
[02:49] <] BreliC[> nickrud, but i would have to strip the suffix before the sox conversion, no?
[02:49] <slappy16> for file in *.mp3; do sox $file `basename $file .mp3`.ogg; done;
[02:49] <nickrud> see slappy
[02:49] <] BreliC[> slappy16, thanks.  i'll try that
[02:50] <slappy16> ya..i hate waves...i had to use it for that, once
[02:50] <slappy16> i need to buff up on my commandline
[02:50] <] BreliC[> slappy16, what's worse is that the .wav that my mp3 player saves too is a weird format
[02:50] <slappy16> what are you using? grip?
[02:50] <smo> bash's inbuilt can sometimes look so much tidier.  "${file/mp3/ogg}"  does the same trick
[02:51] <slappy16> nice, smo!
[02:51] <usual> what would I change hoary to in sources.list to use the current unstable branch
[02:51] <Burgundavia_> usual, breezy
[02:51] <usual> k
[02:51] <slappy16> hey smo, whats the syntax for inline?
[02:51] <Burgundavia_> usual, but not recommended
[02:52] <StRgt> hi all
[02:52] <chillywilly> is it safe to run breezy?
[02:52] <StRgt> how do I install java in ubuntu?
[02:52] <usual> Burgundavia_, is it currently borked?
[02:52] <dockane> i am getting annoyed by this stuff: i am really sorry that the page i created with OOo was not standard DIN A4 but with the "workaround"  for printing through pdf export and acrobat reader it worked fine with window$. here with ubuntu the same way does not work: printing with OOo, xdpf and acroreader gives funky pages. maybe thats because i installed my kyocera as a postscript printer, i dont know
[02:52] <chillywilly> cause I was told they would be breakin things with a sync to debian sid
[02:52] <Burgundavia_> usual, mostly just a sync from debian sid at this point
[02:52] <usual> ahh
[02:52] <usual> i'll hold off
[02:52] <fazer> has anyone here used hdparm ?
[02:52] <usual> thanks
[02:52] <slappy16> slightly
[02:53] <usual> I found my dvd's play choppy unless I set hdparm -d 1
[02:53] <chillywilly> fazer: sure
[02:53] <chillywilly> usual: yea you usually have to turn DMA on
[02:53] <fazer> chillywilly: is it any good?
[02:53] <chillywilly> huh?
[02:53] <chillywilly> it's a tool for tweak HD and DVD player performance
[02:53] <RustyShackleford> How do I extract a tar to home?
[02:53] <chillywilly> tweaking
[02:54] <chillywilly> tweaking all IDE drives and maybe some others...
[02:54] <slappy16> depends on how it was tar'd rusty
[02:54] <] BreliC[> RustyShackleford, from your home directory, usually 'tar zxvf tarfilename.tar.gz'
[02:54] <slappy16> you can use -P to strip the absolute path
[02:54] <mkedwards> The aacraid driver is not on the hoary amd64 install CD.  Is there a quick-and-easy remedy for this (boot install CD with "expert" mode, apt-get install linux-2.6.11.x-amd64-with-aacraid, modprobe aacraid, etc.) or will I need to roll a new install CD to get to root-on-hardware-RAID?
[02:54] <RustyShackleford> Gzipped Tar
[02:55] <slappy16> do a -t to see how it will extract
[02:55] <nickrud> slappy16, -P, thanks
[02:55] <hyphenated> smo: that format will break if the file is called my_cool_mp3_file.mp3
[02:55] <slappy16> hey heyphenated, how are you invoking that?
[02:55] <slappy16> ^e^
[02:55] <hyphenated> sladen: invoking what?
[02:56] <hyphenated> oops, I meant slappy16
[02:56] <slappy16> heh.np...what are you using to reproduce what smo did?
[02:56] <RustyShackleford> I tried what Brelic said and it said no such fike
[02:56] <slappy16> make sure the file exists
[02:56] <hyphenated> slappy16: a bash shell, a variable, and the echo command
[02:56] <slappy16> lol
[02:56] <slappy16> okaaaaa
[02:56] <hyphenated> slappy16: eg: variable=something_to_test; echo ${variable/foo/bar}
[02:56] <RustyShackleford> Where do I need to put the tar file?
[02:56] <slappy16> a gun, a badge, and a ton of crooks
[02:57] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, you can keep it anywhere
[02:57] <slappy16> rusty: is it a .tar.gz or just .tar ?
[02:57] <hyphenated> slappy16: a rubber band, a paperclip and three used matches
[02:57] <slappy16> hah
[02:57] <RustyShackleford> tar.gz
[02:57] <slappy16> -ztvf?
[02:57] <] BreliC[> RustyShackleford, where is the file?
[02:57] <dockane> is there an OOo here on freenode ?
[02:57] <RustyShackleford> Its on my desktop right now.
[02:57] <dockane> *channel
[02:58] <slappy16> rusty, make sure your path is correct
[02:58] <slappy16> and you have perms
[02:58] <fazer> What does single user mode mean?
[02:58] <] BreliC[> RustyShackleford, ok so from your home directory, it would be 'tar zxvf ~/Desktop/filename.tar.gz'
[02:58] <slappy16> fazer: single user mode run level?
[02:58] <fazer> slappy16: yeah... i think
[02:59] <fazer> slappy16: I am reading this, so I was wondering: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/lpt/a/272
[02:59] <slappy16> no networking, no X
[02:59] <thr1ce> where can I edit my gnome menu ?
[02:59] <slappy16> so you can only log in from console
[02:59] <thr1ce> i want to remove a whole catagory under applications
[02:59] <fazer> slappy16: oh, i see
[03:00] <fazer> thanks
[03:00] <nickrud> fazer, its so you have a way to boot in and fix things at the lowest leve
[03:00] <nickrud> level
[03:00] <hypno> thr1ce http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[03:00] <fazer> nickrud: so I guess I can't follow that tutorial when I am in a GUI interfae?
[03:00] <nickrud> lol
[03:00] <slappy16> fazer: that doesnt matter...just make sure there isnt anything thrashing your disk while you run hdparm
[03:00] <fazer> slappy16: ah, okay.
[03:01] <slappy16> he wants to hdparm in single user
[03:01] <slappy16> it wont hurt
[03:01] <nickrud> yeah, I didn't look at the reference :)
[03:01] <slappy16> ;)
[03:01] <nickrud> I hdparm from the gui all the time
[03:01] <nickrud> or, have always
[03:01] <fazer> nickrud: why 'all the time'
[03:02] <hypno> aye hdparm is fine to use anytime
[03:02] <nickrud> fazer, too lazy to go to single user, and I have nothing thrashing my disk :)
[03:02] <RustyShackleford> Damn this thing still wont extract.
[03:02] <thr1ce> ok...I have an "other" sub-menu that shows is displayed under applications, but not in the menu editor
[03:02] <thr1ce> how can I rid of it
[03:03] <fazer> nickrud: ah, heh
[03:03] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, what's the error message?
[03:04] <fazer> nickrud: how safe is using hdparm?
[03:04] <thr1ce> anyone have any ideas ?
[03:04] <slappy16> lol
[03:04] <thr1ce> where I can maybe manually remove groups under applications
[03:04] <slappy16> thr1ce whish i could help
[03:04] <nickrud> fazer: all the dangerous stuff is identified in the man page
[03:04] <slappy16> icewm
[03:04] <slappy16> :)
[03:05] <revelater> how do i use a .bz2.run file?
[03:05] <slappy16> bunzip2
[03:05] <k-otik> whats the program that monitors disk space/usage on your desktop?
[03:05] <nickrud> fazer -d -m and -c are all you probably care about
[03:05] <slappy16> df
[03:05] <slappy16> gkrlm
[03:05] <k-otik> nah its not gkrellm its somethig else
[03:05] <slappy16> k-otik : df
[03:06] <slappy16> is it X based?
[03:06] <fazer> nickrud: hmm, -d -m and -c can't really mess up your hard drive then I guess?
[03:06] <revelater> says its not a bzip2 file?!?!?
[03:06] <k-otik> df slappy16? yes its x based
[03:06] <slappy16> mrtg
[03:06] <nickrud> fazer, mine still work :)
[03:06] <slappy16> :)
[03:06] <k-otik> mrtg?
[03:06] <slappy16> im kidding..uh..i dont know
[03:06] <fazer> nickrud: heh, its mainly because I am in an old laptop that I still love so taking all the precautions I can =/
[03:06] <slappy16> check freshmeat.net
[03:07] <nickrud> fazer, this is my only machine, I take verrry few chances
[03:07] <Moe|Joe> hmmm im havin problems connecting to my wireless network now :|
[03:07] <fazer> nickrud: ah okay =)
[03:07] <slappy16> whats everyones pppoe client of choice?
[03:07] <slappy16> or can anyone recommend one?
[03:09] <tcwd> Is there a firewall on ubuntu by default?
[03:10] <slappy16> iptables
[03:10] <tcwd> If so, how do I turn it off?
[03:10] <slappy16> so..back to my question..
[03:10] <nickrud> tcwd, no
[03:10] <slappy16> iptables -f
[03:10] <slappy16> really??
[03:10] <slappy16> lol
[03:10] <nickrud> running?
[03:10] <slappy16> so...no one knows a good method for pppoe?
[03:10] <thr1ce> so there is no way to manually edit the menu, other than menu editor?  this thing isn't showing up in menu editor
[03:10] <nickrud> slappy16, if you mean configuring, I've allways used pppoeconf
[03:11] <tcwd> wait... so is there? :P
[03:11] <nickrud> tcwd: do sudo iptables -L, it will tell you if any firewall rules are set
[03:12] <Moe|Joe> erm
[03:12] <slappy16> nickrud: thanks
[03:12] <fazer> nickrud: when do these changes take affect?
[03:12] <Moe|Joe> how do i stop my DNS Settings changing back to default?
[03:12] <Xore> where would i go to report a bug in nautilus?
[03:13] <nickrud> the instant you execute hdparm
[03:13] <thr1ce> can I manuallky edit my menu, if something won't show up in menu editor that I want to rid of ?
[03:13] <Xore> or to see if it's already been reported
[03:13] <nickrud> Xore, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:13] <Xore> ty
[03:13] <tcwd> nickrud, Thanks... How do I turn it off?
[03:13] <nickrud> as slappy16 said, iptables -F (meaning flush)
[03:13] <seven_six_two> so I'm guessing my /var/lib/dpkg directory is supposed to contain more than an empty lock file?
[03:13] <fazer> nickrud: strange, I don't notice much =/
[03:14] <fazer> nickrud: I just did this: hdparm -c3 -m16 /dev/hda
[03:14] <slappy16> fazer: NO NOT THAT!
[03:14] <slappy16> jk.. ;)
[03:14] <fazer> slappy16: haha
[03:15] <nickrud> fazer, the recent kernels are a lot better at recognizing and optomizing disks these days, sometimes it gets it right.
[03:15] <seven_six_two> i had a system freeze, and when i rebooted, i could no longer run synaptic or apt-get
[03:15] <nickrud> hdparm was written when the kernel never turned on dma, and so on.
[03:15] <slappy16> seven_six..whats the error?
[03:15] <fazer> nickrud: oh =/
[03:16] <fazer> nickrud: thanks
[03:16] <nickrud> slappy16, you made me look :)
[03:16] <seven_six_two> fathead@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install mplayer
[03:16] <seven_six_two> Reading package lists... Error!
[03:16] <seven_six_two> E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory)
[03:16] <seven_six_two> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[03:16] <slappy16> i think ive hit that before
[03:17] <fazer> heh
[03:17] <fazer> after a while
[03:17] <EricNeon> morning all
[03:17] <fazer> it seems to be slower than doing anything good
[03:17] <fazer> nickrud: so I am guessing that these settings are lost after reboot?
[03:18] <seven_six_two> i cleaned out my sources.list file so only cd rom is listed, since it was giving an error related to one of my sources. now that's the only error
[03:18] <slappy16> no perms to run apt or theres another job running apt
[03:18] <slappy16> the status is locked
[03:18] <circuit_rider> make sure you do it in a root shell
[03:18] <fazer> slappy16: sudo apt-get install ...
[03:18] <nickrud> fazer, yes, you can edit /etc/default/hdparm.conf to make them applied at each boot
[03:18] <seven_six_two> nothing that i know of is running apt, and i have root perms
[03:18] <fazer> nickrud: ah, i see.
[03:18] <seven_six_two> top shows it isn't running
[03:19] <slappy16> nothing is running
[03:19] <slappy16> ?
[03:19] <slappy16> apt-get -f?
[03:19] <fazer> slappy16: apt-get install -f ?
[03:19] <housetier> it seems that /var/lib/dpkg/status is gone, which is a bad thing, do you have a /var/lib/dpkg/status.old or .backup maybe?
[03:20] <mrvain> what is the name of the config file for checking for attached devices (ie ipod via firewire) during boot?
[03:20] <lifeless> win 13
[03:20] <seven_six_two> housetier, no, i was just testing this distro so i haven't backed it up
[03:21] <housetier> seven_six_two dpkg might have created those files for you
[03:21] <seven_six_two> i get the same error for sudo apt-get install -f
[03:21] <mrc3> hi! has anybody seen a report of ubuntu freezing for 200 ms every now and then?
[03:21] <Burger_in_da_sun> hi!
[03:21] <slappy16> can you cat the status file?
[03:22] <riji> grr the ndiswrapper still doesn't want to work proporlly :(
[03:22] <Burger_in_da_sun> i installed hoary, it didnt ask me to set my root passwd!!
[03:22] <seven_six_two> the only file in the directory is named "lock" and is 0 bites
[03:23] <hypno> Burger_in_da_sun http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[03:23] <mrvain> Burger_in_da_sun: use sudo.  You don't need root, but can set a password for it if you like
[03:23] <Burger_in_da_sun> hypno, i went into recovery mode and i had my root login.. but is this normal ??
[03:23] <slappy16> yo, touch your status file
[03:23] <hypno> Burger_in_da_sun yes that's normal
[03:23] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:23] <riji> Burger_in_da_sun: sudo passwd root
[03:23] <Burger_in_da_sun> hah never seen this before :)
[03:24] <helio7> is there a reason why applications disappear from the applications menu when upgrading from warty to hoary?  Is there a recommended procedure for restoring them?  Azureus isn't even showing up under whereis or which....
[03:24] <slappy16> seven_six_two: touch that /var/lib/dpkg/status  , tell me what happens
[03:25] <mrvain> anyone know how to change Ubuntu NOT to look for attached devices during startup? (it looks for my ipod)
[03:25] <seven_six_two> slappy16, ok
[03:26] <seven_six_two> nothing happens
[03:26] <slappy16> same error?
[03:26] <seven_six_two> oh no wait. a status file appeared
[03:27] <slappy16> did you touch it?
[03:27] <slappy16> can you run apt now?
[03:27] <seven_six_two> slappy16, yes i can, although i'll have to replace all of my sources. thanks muchly
[03:28] <Burger_in_da_sun> hrmm ok installed a server install of ubuntu, when i do apt-cache search it says couldnt stat source package
[03:28] <Burger_in_da_sun> the default sources are wrong ?
[03:28] <helio7> Do most people agree that Hoary is still not as bug-free as Warty was?  If so, I wonder when it will be as solid as Warty was?
[03:29] <bob_55> Does anyone have a link on how to have MP3's play?
[03:29] <seven_six_two> bob_55, in what program?
[03:29] <nickrud> bob_55, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:29] <bob_55> music player
[03:30] <nickrud> whups
[03:30] <bob_55> I think that link will do thanks guys.
[03:30] <seven_six_two> bob_55, sorry i can't help. it worked for me right off
[03:30] <Burger_in_da_sun> seriously, the US mirror is broken or something?
[03:31] <seven_six_two> Burger_in_da_sun, have you tried different repositories?
[03:31] <cheryl> newbie here
[03:31] <Burger_in_da_sun> seven_six_two, no just the US one for now
[03:31] <Burger_in_da_sun> hah, now it works with the same repo
[03:31] <Burger_in_da_sun> musta been a network problem
[03:31] <cheryl> just installed 5.04 and I need to know the default root password so I can do an install
[03:32] <Burger_in_da_sun> ok what do i need to do to my sources to get xfce ?
[03:32] <helio7> anyone have Azureus running under Hoary?
[03:32] <mgalvin> cheryl: its the same as your password
[03:32] <nickrud> cheryl, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSud
[03:32] <SysFail> i have azureus running
[03:32] <nickrud> cheryl, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:32] <seven_six_two> Burger_in_da_sun, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:33] <boredofthesane> I've tried to get dma to work on my dvdrw drive so I can play dvd's in totem, unfortunately when i attempt hdparm -d1 /dev/hda it fails (yes I'm in root)
[03:33] <boredofthesane> any ideas?
[03:33] <cheryl> thanks
[03:33] <GuruFF> lool; quick question which /dev is ir ? how to check it ?
[03:33] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  /dev/hda = your first hdd
[03:33] <seven_six_two> boredofthesane, what is the error when you try to play it in totem?
[03:33] <boredofthesane> zenrox: yes
[03:33] <htaccess> hi i am having lots of trouble with networking on a laptop, ifup ifdown and dhclient dont seem to work from the command line, it looks like the new network app is being too clever for me, how can i kill it altogether, is it a daemon or just the applet?
[03:34] <boredofthesane> seven_six_two: it says I need libdvdcss but its installed
[03:34] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  ant you dvdrw another /dev/hdx
[03:34] <bronson> htaccess: ifdown eth0
[03:34] <boredofthesane> zenrox: hmm?
[03:34] <bronson> htaccess: if you want to disable it permanently, turn off "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:35] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  like /dev/hda or /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[03:35] <pixil9> anyone here done a floppy install to debian then upgrade to hoary?
[03:35] <boredofthesane> zenrox: I know my dvd drive is /dev/hda
[03:35] <nickrud> pixil9, :)
[03:35] <zenrox> boredofthesane, ok
[03:35] <boredofthesane> zenrox: if thats what you mean
[03:35] <seven_six_two> is it in your /etc/ld.so.conf
[03:35] <htaccess> bronson: yes ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 does not work as the gnome network applett seems to be getting in the way
[03:35] <pixil9> nickrud: ya?
[03:35] <KernelPanic>  ore look at the nameserver /etc/resolf.conf
[03:35] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  ya thats what i ment
[03:35] <toresbe> Hmm, interesting
[03:35] <toresbe> Grissom of CSI's first name is "Gus", right?
[03:36] <Burger_in_da_sun> wich package should i apt-get to get all of xorg ?
[03:36] <boredofthesane> zenrox: could it have to do with having a serial ata hard drive?
[03:36] <daniels> Burger_in_da_sun: why do you want to do that?
[03:36] <nickrud> pixil9, no, I'm just laughing, it's how I did my debian sid install years ago, and boy, can I imagine the disaster
[03:36] <Burger_in_da_sun> daniels, becoz i need an x server ?
[03:36] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, x-window-system
[03:36] <pixil9> well my bro is goin to australia for a year and i'm tryin to set up his p1 233 so he can use msn and firefox heh
[03:36] <Burger_in_da_sun> nickrud, thats xorg right?
[03:36] <pixil9> (laptop)
[03:37] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, if you're running hoary
[03:37] <steve_> Hiya everybody...quick question regarding a riptide audio driver install
[03:37] <Burger_in_da_sun> nickrud, k thanks
[03:37] <steve_> anybody up for the task?
[03:37] <helio7> where should I look to customize the appliations menu?
[03:37] <daniels> Burger_in_da_sun: install x-window-system
[03:37] <daniels> Burger_in_da_sun: but ideally you should just install ubuntu-desktop
[03:37] <Burger_in_da_sun> daniels, i dont want gnome and all that stuff
[03:38] <mrvain> is there a way to print to pdf from applications like in OS X?
[03:38] <Burger_in_da_sun> i installed a server and i just want X + xfce on top fo that
[03:38] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, shunned :)
[03:38] <steve_> Anybody at all?
[03:38] <steve_> just a question regarding modversions.h
[03:38] <Burger_in_da_sun> steve_ just ask dont ask if you can ask
[03:38] <steve_> Oh.  Good point.
[03:38] <boredofthesane> sorry to repeat me question but maybe will know what I can do to resolve my problem, I have a DVD drive that won't turn dma on via hdparm, is there a solution or perhaps my drive isn't supported?
[03:39] <boredofthesane> *someone will
[03:39] <steve_> WELL: I've installed Hoary on my parents' machine; runs great, with the exception of the Rockwell Riptide modem/soundcard
[03:39] <nickrud> boredofthesane, I've heard rumors about some dvds, try googling
[03:39] <steve_> I don't really need the modem, just the sound
[03:39] <helio7> Anyone been successful in adding an application to the application menu in Hoary??
[03:39] <chrisg_> Hey, where is the menu editor in gnome?
[03:40] <chrisg_> i can't find it anywhere
[03:40] <steve_> installed modem drivers from linuxant.com
[03:40] <boredofthesane> nickrud: i've been googling like crazy and tried many things, loading the via82cxx module instead of the generic ide-* modules, modifying /etc/hdparm.conf, etc. still no luck
[03:40] <seven_six_two> helio7, yes. you have to install menu-edit
[03:40] <steve_> and the audio, which relies on the modem, claims I don't have modversions.h
[03:40] <helio7> chrisg I know it was made more difficult, but I'm sure it must be doable... ahhh thanks seven_six_two
[03:40] <steve_> (I've installed the headers as well as the modules)
[03:40] <steve_> Where do I go from here?
[03:40] <farruinn> steve_: perhaps there are additional headers that it depends on
[03:41] <chrisg_> thaks seven..
[03:41] <seven_six_two> np
[03:41] <nickrud> boredofthesane, you're not the first here with the problem, and no ones got it working if it was a problem.
[03:41] <pixil9> Anyone know how I make it so when I link /dev/radio0 to /dev/radio it doesn't dissapear after a reboot?
[03:41] <mrvain> anyone know how to print to pdf?
[03:41] <steve_> faruinn: As in, headers outside the universe, multiverse, et al?
[03:41] <boredofthesane> nickrud: bummer, the strange thing is, is that people will say it will work in other distros, but not in hoary
[03:41] <helio7> mrvain it's an option if you print from gimp
[03:41] <seven_six_two> pixil9,  ln -s
[03:41] <nickrud> mrvain, install cups-pdf
[03:42] <helio7> where should I look for the reason that Gaim crashes without an error message?
[03:42] <farruinn> steve_: no, within the repos
[03:42] <mrvain> nickrud will that enable pdf creation from, say open office?
[03:42] <seven_six_two> helio7, perhaps run it from console
[03:42] <pixil9> seven_six_two: i did ln -s /dev/radio0 /dev/radio and then my radio card works fine but after reboot the link dissapears
[03:42] <nickrud> mrvain, open office does it natively.
[03:42] <mrvain> oh
[03:42] <mrvain> great thanks
[03:43] <seven_six_two> pixil9, strange. i had to do the same for my dvd but it stayed
[03:43] <steve_> farruinn: Whoops.  I should've checked the repos before I came here.  I just realized I don't have the multiverse enabled.
[03:43] <RexM> pixil9: i believe that's because the /dev isn't actually on the disk, and is just a thing in memory?
[03:43] <helio7> seven_six_two, I don't see menu-edit in synaptic is that what it's called?
[03:43] <steve_> farruinn: BRB
[03:43] <KernelPanic> helio7: gaim?? whit what protrocol?? icq? msn?
[03:43] <pixil9> I dunno :/
[03:43] <seven_six_two> helio7, yes, but you may need to add extra repositories.   check  www.ubuntuguide.com
[03:43] <pixil9> I'll make a script i guess
[03:44] <boredofthesane> hmm, what's the latest kernel that I can apt-get?
[03:44] <farruinn> steve_: it should be in linux-headers-(uname -r)
[03:44] <nickrud> pixil9, take a look at udev. there are ways (which I haven
[03:44] <farruinn> steve_: linux-headers-2.6.10-5 has it and is in main
[03:45] <nickrud> 't studied) for that
[03:45] <helio7> KernelPanic, I run gaim with yahoo, aim, icq, msn, and icq; most load when it crashes
[03:45] <Burger> ok, now how do i install the nvidia drivers?
[03:46] <chrisg_> helio7: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[03:46] <pixil9> Burger: apt-get install nvidia-glx and change your video device /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia"
[03:46] <nickrud> Burger, ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:46] <helio7> cool chrisg_ was almost there :-)
[03:47] <Burger> pixil9, thats exactly what i did, then when i started x i got a black screen and everything hanged...
[03:47] <pixil9> o.
[03:47] <boredofthesane> root@bored:/home/boredofthesane # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[03:47] <boredofthesane> /dev/hda:
[03:47] <boredofthesane>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[03:47] <boredofthesane>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[03:47] <boredofthesane>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[03:47] <Meastapheles> anybody install kernels?  i get "ls: 'initrd.img.old': File exists" to ln -s initrd.img-2.6.10-1.1127_FC4.dwmw2 initrd.img.old.  Can I make up a link such as 'initrd.img.FC4Alien' that'l show up on my boot loader?
[03:47] <boredofthesane> anybody? :-)
[03:48] <slappy16> uh-oh..tweedle
[03:48] <pixil9> Burger; what card?
[03:48] <daniels> Meastapheles: why do you have that link there in the first place?
[03:48] <TweedleDumb> ;)
[03:48] <Burger> pixil9, geforce2 go.. used to work fine when i compiled the driver
[03:48] <Burger> great, now when i reboot it runs X automaticly and hangs...
[03:48] <Meastapheles> just following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=7412d09bbbfda6d98f5e75c57083c983&t=25264&page=3&pp=10
[03:48] <pixil9> hit ctrl-alt-f2
[03:48] <pixil9> to get to a terminal
[03:48] <helio7> cool got menu-editor working; that's a relief, I had resigned myself to uneditable menus... Does anyone know why the decision was made to make menus _less_ editable by default in Hoary?
[03:48] <pixil9> then change it back
[03:48] <Burger> pixil9, no go.. it's dead
[03:49] <pixil9> ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't work??
[03:49] <Burger> pixil9, can't get a console
[03:49] <pixil9> i dunno i've never used ubuntu til today :/
[03:49] <chase> is there a way to get ubuntu to ask me the password for my default ssh key before gnome loads up? so its always present when i try getting a terminal to ssh into my server?
[03:49] <Burger> ... this blows
[03:49] <Meastapheles> daniels: I want to be able to pick which ever kernel to boot up with
[03:49] <slappy16> chase: i usually load my eval my ssh-agent before i startx
[03:49] <slappy16> but i dont know if you can do it prior gdm
[03:50] <helio7> what's the difference between the k7 and the k7-smp kernel?
[03:50] <nickrud> Burger, try booting into single user and changing the xorg.conf back
[03:50] <Burger> i think i need to remove all that stuff from xorg.conf that's in the nvidia docs
[03:50] <chase> okay, slappy16 that sounds like what i want, how can i stop X loading from a run level?
[03:50] <farruinn> helio7: smp means symmetric multi-processing, for multiple processors
[03:50] <TweedleDumb> add it to /etc/init.d/gdm
[03:50] <steve_> farruinn: Still won't work.
[03:50] <seven_six_two> if i restore a backup of sources.list, is it necessary to run gpg --keyserver   again?
[03:50] <chase> TweedleDumb does that work?
[03:50] <slappy16> in /etc/inittab, change to a runlevel that does not use X..im not sure what that is in ubuntu
[03:51] <slappy16> Tweedle: how will he enter the passphrase?
[03:51] <steve_> farruinn: Not sure where else to go here...I've installed every header package there  (there're three for my architecture)
[03:51] <TweedleDumb> Y not, that script is what launches gdm, just load eval ssh-agent first, you know?
[03:51] <Meastapheles> I already have a 2.6.8 that I upgraded with from sarge, a 2.6.10 that was erroniously reported to wake from sleep, and now I want to try a 2.6.10 that is supposed ot be fixed
[03:51] <Meastapheles> daniels
[03:51] <TweedleDumb> oh
[03:51] <slappy16> where will you type in the password?
[03:51] <bob_55> Well I have to go thanks for the help don't have it setup and running yet but there is always tomorrow.
[03:52] <pixil9> Meastapheles, How did you get from sarge to ubuntu?
[03:52] <Meastapheles> via sid
[03:52] <kanuha> Is the XChat that comes with Ubuntu compiled with or without TCL?
[03:52] <pixil9> what is sid?
[03:52] <pixil9> I just did a floppy install of woody on my old laptop.. now i want it to goto ubuntu
[03:52] <chase> slappy16, TweedleDumb i can always try the GDM first and let you know how it works
[03:52] <james> Congrats to all Ubuntu developers and users on making a top notch distro. I'm all finished installing, now time for bed... Thanks.
[03:52] <nickrud> pixil9, ooh, you're doing it
[03:52] <Meastapheles> pixil9: you do a server upgrade and reinstall a few things, sid is debian unstable
[03:53] <pixil9> Meastapheles, Well if I changed all my sources to to hoary.. what else do i do
[03:53] <Meastapheles> james: my year old ibook doesn't wake from sleep
[03:53] <pixil9> apt-get dist-upgrade isn't working :(
[03:53] <pixil9> nickrud: ya it sucked.. and for some reason ubuntu writes my floppies at 10 kB/s instead of 30
[03:53] <Meastapheles> wat are you running?
[03:54] <pixil9> woody
[03:54] <Meastapheles> wow
[03:54] <Meastapheles> !
[03:54] <pixil9> I didn't even apt-get the base system of it
[03:54] <pixil9> i thought I could just change the sources on the floppy install
[03:54] <james> Meastapheles, alarm is set : )
[03:54] <nickrud> Meastapheles, he's trying to get from woody boot floppies to hoary
[03:54] <pixil9> maybe i should've done sarge
[03:54] <slappy16> i like sarge
[03:55] <Burger> ok...so anyone have any idea why the nvidia drivers are killing my geforce2 go ? maybe i should just compile it
[03:55] <slappy16> you cant go from deb to ubuntu....can you?
[03:55] <Meastapheles> get rid of any extra junk such as X and any gui stuff , then upgrade to sarge, then to sid then to hoary
[03:55] <slappy16> no..that doesnt make sense
[03:55] <Meastapheles> and hope for the best
[03:55] <pixil9> i have to goto sid? lol
[03:55] <inc> sup channel
[03:55] <TweedleDumb> isnt debian still way better then ubuntu?
[03:55] <Meastapheles> I did, and I got a stable system
[03:56] <steve_> No modversions.h even after headers install!
[03:56] <steve_> Anybody?  Where can I get it?
[03:56] <GUISlave> I wouldn't apt get from sarge
[03:56] <pixil9> TweedleDumb, ubuntu is just a user friendly X system on top of debian
[03:56] <GUISlave> I'd do a fresh install of hoary
[03:56] <inc> any one use the atheros wlan card?
[03:56] <slappy16> but what about packages, pix
[03:56] <TweedleDumb> then why dont they make their changees compatable with debian
[03:57] <slappy16> i think tweedle is as scared as i am about a fork
[03:57] <TweedleDumb> is there a PPC ubuntu?
[03:57] <slappy16> but they do say ubuntu has 'a lot of money' behind it
[03:57] <helio7> farruinn, that's odd, somehow when upgrading from warty>hoary I got the k7-smp kernel selected by default
[03:57] <slappy16> i know theres a 64
[03:57] <TweedleDumb> money will make anything go around
[03:57] <helio7> farruinn, and I have a standard Amd athlon single processor
[03:57] <inc> needs to make my wifi go
[03:57] <slappy16> i prolly has all the same archs as deb
[03:57] <slappy16> it
[03:58] <kanuha> Is the XChat that comes with Ubuntu compiled with or without TCL?
[03:58] <steve_> Anybody?  Know how i can get a modversions.h?
[03:58] <slappy16> dpkg -f /filename
[03:58] <Meastapheles> daniels; you still there? or you'd just tune out
[03:58] <nickrud> slappy16, TweedleDumb, the 10 or so ubuntu guys (should) know better than to not leverage the 900+ free workers in debian (to put the most mercenary light on it)
[03:58] <farruinn> helio7: odd, you might want to report, see if anyone else has seen this.  It shouldn't hurt, that kernel is just optimized for smp
[03:58] <chase> TweedleDumb, adding it to the GDM startup script didnt work, and slappy16 it looks like runlevel 2-5 are all set up the same way here so i cant just change it to not startx
[03:58] <slappy16> so what happens when sarge is released?  will there be a new ubuntu release as well?
[03:58] <pixil9> Meastapheles, Is it necessary to goto sid?
[03:58] <chase> i need to remove it from a run level
[03:59] <TweedleDumb> ok then, use rungetty
[03:59] <Rima> far out, after using fedora/redhat for years - just installed ubuntu it seems alot quicker than any distrubtion I have used before
[03:59] <Meastapheles> I was told so, and I did so without any problems
[03:59] <farruinn> steve_: I'm quite sure you have the file, gcc just doesn't see it. I don't know how to troubleshoot gcc though
[03:59] <pixil9> Can i just net install sid?
[03:59] <inc> anyone know why it would pick up my card in lspci and not lsmod?
[03:59] <nickrud> slappy16, ubuntu doesn't have to be sarge
[03:59] <Meastapheles> if you're smart you do a server upgrade and thats no time
[03:59] <slappy16> tweedle: what was that hotplug thing you did for your camera a few months ago?
[03:59] <nickrud> I hope the get it together by etch.
[03:59] <fazer> hmm
[03:59] <fazer> so, what would a void cheque look like?
[03:59] <slappy16> nickrud: gotcha
[03:59] <chase> TweedleDumb, for what? wouldnt that just start a run level for this session?
[04:00] <chase> it wouldnt stop X from starting everytime i restart
[04:00] <steve_> farruinn: Hrm.
[04:00] <steve_> farruinn: Thank you for your help.
[04:00] <TweedleDumb> i got rid of hotplug because i wanted to be able to add a label to the files comming off my camera, hotplug just transfered them without asking me anything... so i made my script into an icewm menu entry
[04:00] <pixil9> Meastapheles, So once I reach sid what are te steps?
[04:00] <pixil9> the*
[04:00] <steve_> farruinn: I'll keep searching and come back here if I can't find it.
[04:00] <farruinn> steve_: don't thank me too much, I can't say I'm helping that much :/
[04:01] <TweedleDumb> oh nm, that was a bad suggestion
[04:01] <slappy16> where did init.rc go???
[04:01] <slappy16> theres no init.rc in linux..shit
[04:01] <chase> i jsut removed it from all startip files sudo update-rc.d -f xorg-common remove
[04:02] <TweedleDumb> what about adding an xterm entry to your xterm that started the eval ssh-agent
[04:02] <slappy16> ya, that will work
[04:02] <slappy16> i have this
[04:02] <TweedleDumb> then when gdm starts a window will open and you can enter your password
[04:02] <slappy16> but he still needs to start the agent
[04:02] <Meastapheles> pixil9: http://ubuntuppc.webplazahosting.com/index.php?Sarge%20to%20Hoary
[04:02] <nickrud> chase, what your looking for is updat-rc.d gdm
[04:02] <slappy16> he needs to start the agent, then eval every xterm instance
[04:02] <TweedleDumb> xterm -e <command to start>
[04:03] <TweedleDumb> no,
[04:03] <slappy16> eval `ssh-agent -s`
[04:03] <slappy16>               host=`uname -n`
[04:03] <slappy16>                [ -f $HOME/.keychain/$host-sh ]  && \
[04:03] <slappy16>                        . $HOME/.keychain/$host-sh
[04:03] <slappy16> i use keychain
[04:03] <DanC_u> er... a day after hoary released, apt-get upgrade gave me about 100 updates. Today there are zero. Is that right?
[04:03] <Burger> why is it that when i try to apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-common it wants to remove all the modules?! and linux-386 ?
[04:04] <TweedleDumb> does gdm load ~.xsession?
[04:04] <nickrud> TweedleDumb, no
[04:04] <nickrud> or, not by default.
[04:05] <slappy16> xdm does, right?
[04:05] <Askew> is anyone else having problems getting SVG icon themes to work in hoary?
[04:05] <chase> i think ive got it sused, ive removed GDM and i just enter the key then start x. its what i used to do with gentoo so im used to that
[04:05] <pixil9> why can't they just make a friggen floppy install
[04:06] <nickrud> you can select xsession from gdm login, but I can't recall just what it called offhand
[04:06] <Burger> dis is getting frustrating.. why did i remove debian it worked just fine.. argg
[04:06] <chase> Askew, ye they all just come up bank
[04:06] <slappy16> hahaha
[04:06] <chase> blank
[04:06] <Askew> chase, do you know of a fix?
[04:07] <pixil9> DanC_u: pentium 1 233 laptop with no cdrom
[04:07] <chase> Askew, no sorry. i didnt know the problem till you asked :-(
[04:07] <DanC_u> well, pixil9 debian installs from floppy pretty well, in general. sometimes laptops are tricky
[04:07] <GUISlave> pixil- just buy an external cd rom
[04:08] <Askew> anyone else know why SVG icon themes wouldnt' be working?  i made sure librsvg2 was installed....
[04:08] <nickrud> debootstrap, anyone :)
[04:08] <DanC_u> pixil9, does your laptop boot from USB devices, by chance?
[04:08] <pixil9> I think so.. but I only have a 32mb flash thingy
[04:08] <slappy16> nickrud: im interested in that
[04:09] <slappy16> shit, im thinking of fai
[04:09] <slappy16> nm
[04:09] <slappy16> /finger tweedledee
[04:09] <DanC_u> hmm... 32mb flash might be enough for a net-based install...
[04:09] <slappy16> aw
[04:09] <slappy16> lol
[04:09] <GUISlave> bad boy
[04:10] <slappy16> i cant finger you, tweedle
[04:10] <slappy16> ;)
[04:10] <TweedleDumb> wrong name
[04:10] <slappy16> ohh!
[04:10] <pixil9> DanC_u: ubuntu can do that?
[04:10] <slappy16> whois works
[04:10] <TweedleDumb> whois slappy16
[04:10] <slappy16> need the slash
[04:10] <TweedleDumb> du
[04:10] <slappy16> he's a dick, though
[04:11] <slappy16> whats whoheis
[04:11] <TweedleDumb> duh
[04:11] <slappy16> thats
[04:11] <slappy16> heh
[04:11] <slappy16> ok, i leave work
[04:11] <DanC_u> I think I saw "usb installs" on the web site, and I remember something about net installs, but I might be confused... double-checking...
[04:11] <Burger> i got a PIII why did it install all the 386 stuff instead of 686 ?
[04:11] <pixil9> Well whatever i'm almost done upgradin to sarge then sid
[04:11] <DanC_u> "Ubuntu 5.04 now supports installation from USB devices." -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[04:11] <DanC_u> darn... no link to more info
[04:12] <GUISlave> I wonder how fast that usb install would go from a jump drive?
[04:12] <nickrud> Burger, you need to specifically install a 686 kernel libc, everything else if 486 called 386
[04:12] <nickrud> and libc
[04:12] <Burger> nickrud, huh? you mean by default it installs 386 and i got to upgrade ?
[04:13] <nickrud> Burger, yeah, it works more places that way
[04:13] <bourne_again> Hey I'm just wondering, why would somebody install ubuntu over debian? I'm not trolling I just have no idea.
[04:13] <Burger> nickrud... this is really wierd... cant it just ask me during installation??
[04:13] <nickrud> Burger, could, but doesn't
[04:13] <Burger> nickrud, so how do i upgrade to 686 ?
[04:13] <GUISlave> I think installing over Debian would be a disaster
[04:14] <GUISlave> I know going from warty to hoary has probs
[04:14] <DanC_u> aha.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[04:14] <pixil9> haha
[04:15] <chrisg_> How do I set the bittorrent ports used by gnome-btdownload?
[04:15] <nickrud> Burger, look for linux-image, and install the 686 version
[04:15] <DanC_u> hmm... do you have a nearby machine that can be a server, pixil9 ?
[04:15] <bourne_again> Can anybody tell me what makes ubuntu different from debian, other then that its slimmed down?
[04:15] <LucienLacombe> bourne_again: ubuntu slimmed down or debian
[04:15] <pixil9> DanC_u: ya this machine is on ubuntu
[04:15] <Burger> nickrud, i tried that.. it didnt tell me it needs to upgrade the modules or anything... how can it just upgrade the kernel but not the modules?
[04:16] <LucienLacombe> bourne_again: ubuntu is for fake linux users
[04:16] <pixil9> I guess i could make the tftp server
[04:16] <nickrud> bourne_again, not much, except it can be run by my mom :)
[04:16] <helio7> farruinn, well, I changed to the non-smp kernel in grub as one of several changes over the last week, since I upgraded from warty>hoary I've been experiencing daily crashes/hangs on a previously bombproof system... I'm hoping the non-smp k7 kernel is my fix :-) where would I report it anyway?
[04:16] <DanC_u> well, pixil9 I think netboot should work for you.
[04:16] <pixil9> LucienLacombe: I've been using freebsd debian and slackware for 10 years.. and i like ubuntu
[04:16] <Burger> bourne_again, don't beleive them... debian installs way easier
[04:16] <nickrud> Burger, let me look again
[04:16] <bourne_again> nickrud: So ubuntu is to debian as mandrake is to redhat?
[04:16] <LucienLacombe> pixil9: by your choice of bsd you would
[04:16] <GUISlave> Yeah lucient, stop trolling
[04:16] <pixil9> lol
[04:17] <nickrud> bourne_again, I don't know about today, but 3 years ago, that would be a good comparison
[04:17] <pixil9> DanC_u, thx
[04:17] <pixil9> If you like OpenBSD or NetBSD over FreeBSD you're on crack
[04:17] <steve_> GRR still no go
[04:17] <LucienLacombe> GUISlave: tab completion
[04:17] <LucienLacombe> try it
[04:17] <steve_> modversions.h still not there, despite header
[04:17] <steve_> s
[04:17] <mikeco> heh
[04:17] <LucienLacombe> you learn tht day 2 of using a diff OS
[04:17] <GUISlave> what do you mean by tab completion?
[04:17] <mikeco> openbsd
[04:17] <mikeco> i hate theo
[04:18] <mikeco> every different os has tab completion?
[04:18] <farruinn> helio7: I would first report it on the mailing list to see if anyone else has gotten this
[04:18] <farruinn> then report a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.com if you need to
[04:18] <DanC_u> hmm... that wasn't the sort of netboot I was thinking of, though, pixil9. Debian has a mode that starts with like a 10MB .iso image and grabs the rest from the net. no nearby server needed.
[04:18] <mikeco> so if i was using say, dos, then went to windows 3.11 i'd have learnt about tab completion?
[04:18] <GUISlave> I like standard debian, it's just outdated
[04:18] <Agrajag> windows 3.11 isn't an OS
[04:18] <mikeco> it's a shell
[04:18] <mikeco> semantics, blah
[04:18] <helio7> hmm I thought I had subscribed to the mailing list, but I'll have to do it again, I haven't received much but the monthly things from devs
[04:19] <mikeco> point is, just because you switch os, doesn't mean there is tab completion
[04:19] <farruinn> helio7: you can do the web interface thing at www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:19] <GUISlave> Are we talking tab completion as in the terminal?
[04:19] <DanC_u> hmm... pixil9 , I see something about boot floppies in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:19] <GUISlave> If so, ubuntu's got it
[04:19] <Agrajag> mikeco: almost every operating system that isn't windows uses a shell like bash or csh, which have tab completion
[04:19] <Agrajag> windows has it too, but you have to do a ragistry hack to turn it on
[04:19] <helio7> farruinn, are the forums 'mirrored' as a listserv?
[04:19] <Agrajag> registry
[04:20] <pixil9> DanC: heh that still wants a cd
[04:20] <chrisg_> windows xp has tabcompletion
[04:20] <farruinn> helio7: right, go to the "ubuntu-users mailing list thread"
[04:20] <mikeco> tab completion isn't even always turned on in something other than windows
[04:20] <helio7> k thanks farruinn
[04:20] <GUISlave> Damn, XP does have tab completion.  Didn't know that.  :)
[04:21] <mikeco> yeah, it does
[04:21] <danielbo> I'm a new ubuntu user and just bought a laptop with an AMD Sempron 2800+. It appears that this is a k8. Should I have installed the AMD64 version of Ubuntu instead of the i386?
[04:21] <helio7> Has anyone burned a DVD with K3B and had it not be recognized by WinXP?
[04:21] <bourne_again> Nope
[04:21] <nickrud> Burger, not apparently the ubuntu developers don't think everyone needs the restricted modules, so it's not a dependency
[04:21] <Agrajag> danielbo: semprons are 32 bit
[04:21] <chrisg_> XP even has good scripting now with python
[04:22] <nickrud> danielbo, do you have much linux experience?
[04:22] <Burger> nickrud, do you know whats the diff between linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 and linux-restricted-modules-686 ?
[04:22] <danielbo> Agrajag, that's what I thought, but it's showing K8 for some reason
[04:22] <GUISlave> Linux has come a long way.  I can't wait for the next five years
[04:22] <danielbo> nickrud
[04:22] <danielbo> nickrud, about 6 years
[04:22] <inc> anyone good wit wifi card?
[04:22] <nickrud> danielbo, then go 64 and do the chroot thingy :)
[04:23] <Agrajag> nickrud: uh, he can't
[04:23] <Agrajag> semprons are not 64-bit, are they?
[04:23] <danielbo> Agrajag, I seem to remember that the new ones ARE 64, but ith the same old name
[04:23] <nickrud> Burger, the one that doesn't have a version, depends on the latest one that does have a version
[04:23] <pixil9> DanC_u, I think i'll do the tftp one
[04:23] <thechitowncubs> How do I make my hard drive not constantly spin,its generating a lot of heat
[04:24] <danielbo> Agrajag, I had forgotten that one until just now when I noticed K8
[04:24] <nickrud> that is, if you install the one without a version, every time a new version comes out, it will automatically update
[04:24] <nickrud> that make sense?
[04:24] <Agrajag> DanC_u: just because it says that doesn't mean it's amd64
[04:24] <Agrajag> er, danielbo
[04:25] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone have any idea?
[04:25] <mikeco> there are k7 and k8 semprons, the k8 based off of amd64
[04:25] <nickrud> Agrajag, danielbo, just saw the question about 64, not the chip. trying to do too much at once. Sorry :)
[04:25] <danielbo> nickrud, AMD64 doesn't have all the plugins, right?
[04:25] <Agrajag> mikeco: "The Sempron 3100+, although based on the K8 architecture, does not support the AMD64 technology. In other words, the Sempron 3100+ is a 32-bit processor."
[04:25] <danielbo> mikeco, that's what I remember
[04:25] <Agrajag> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3100-oc_2.html\
[04:25] <Agrajag> uh, without the \
[04:25] <mikeco> i said based, that is all
[04:26] <kojak> is ubuntu any good
[04:26] <laggerzero> hey guys i need some help
[04:26] <mikeco> has all features minus 64bit and only 256k cache
[04:26] <zerovertex> you ask in a very biased channel
[04:26] <DanC_u> is anybody familiar with the ubuntu docs? is there an install guide? the docs seem to be sorta all-over-the-floor. Is that the state-of-the-art?
[04:26] <nickrud> danielbo, no, that's what the chroot is for, to run a 32 bit library to support plugins and the like
[04:26] <laggerzero> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=63
[04:26] <Agrajag> mikeco: then he can't run amd64 ubuntu on it, can he?
[04:26] <Agrajag> That's all we're talking about here
[04:26] <mikeco> didn't say he could
[04:26] <mikeco> was just telling him why it said k8
[04:26] <laggerzero> when i try to apply the alps patch like that guy said i get this error: gunzip: /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics is a directory -- ignored
[04:27] <thechitowncubs> Is laptop mode automatically enabled?
[04:27] <laggerzero> thats when running the:sudo gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics | patch -p1
[04:27] <laggerzero> yes
[04:27] <laggerzero> it has the synaptics driver
[04:28] <laggerzero> not the alps driver
[04:28] <laggerzero> its in the 2.6.11 kernel but it keeps crashing on me
[04:28] <laggerzero> gam_server/gamin causes kernel panics
[04:28] <danielbo> nickrud, this is for my gf, so I'll probably just stick with vanilla
[04:28] <danielbo> nickrud, she won't know how to deal with anything
[04:29] <laggerzero> any suggestions?
[04:29] <Burger> hhmm, my Xorg log file says : Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) , wierd i install nvidia-glx
[04:30] <fazer> Hello, what is the Terminal thing in xfce and how is it
[04:30] <fazer>                different than the present terminal that comes with default
[04:30] <fazer>                installation of xfce?
[04:30] <fazer> damn it
[04:30] <nickrud> danielbo, when it's installed, go to www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for movies & music
[04:31] <danielbo> nickrud, thanks
[04:31] <danielbo> appreciate the help
[04:31] <danielbo> nickrud, one of these days, I'll get hibernate to work ;)
[04:31] <nickrud> well, I the last bit might :)
[04:31] <laggerzero> no one has any suggestions?
[04:34] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone know about laptop mode?
[04:34] <terasurfer> Does anybody here have experience setting up asterisk, or a PBX in general?
[04:34] <thechitowncubs> Is laptop mode automatically enabled?
[04:34] <nekohayo> techitowncubs, I'm on a laptop right now
[04:35] <nekohayo> it's enabled on install I believe
[04:35] <nekohayo> because of laptop-detect maybe
[04:35] <nekohayo> (not sure)
[04:35] <pixil9> fuck i need a cdrom for my latop
[04:35] <laggerzero> since we are talking about laptops again
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> Well, I don't think it worked for my latop
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> laptop
[04:35] <scott> for some reason my laptop stalls up sometimes when I pull it off external power. it normally takes about 5 minutes or so
[04:35] <laggerzero> anyone get their alps touchpad working?
[04:35] <nekohayo> did you look in synaptic techito?
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> because i noticed my hard drive has gotten hot
[04:36] <nekohayo> laggerzero, mine works
[04:36] <laggerzero> its it synaptics or alps?
[04:36] <nickrud> pixil9, the woody to sarge to sid thing might actually work.
[04:36] <nekohayo> techitowncubs, mine is hot too.
[04:36] <inc> evil wireless
[04:36] <nickrud> not that I'd do it :)
[04:36] <pixil9> nickrud: ya i'm working on it
[04:36] <nekohayo> wireless is evil yes :) I made it work today however (yesss!)
[04:36] <pixil9> nickrud: i swear this POS has a 100rpm hard drive
[04:36] <inc> mine is being a paint "it just works" my a$$
[04:37] <nickrud> pixil9, you're on old kernels, hdparm might speed it up.
[04:37] <GUISlave> pixil, you can always try blue flops floppy linux. ;)
[04:37] <GUISlave> It's got the 2.6 kernel in it
[04:38] <pixil9> well i'm at sarge now heh
[04:38] <nickrud> pixil9, ooh fast internet :)
[04:39] <pixil9> haha blue flops
[04:39] <CyberDoo> Couple of quick support questions if I may....
[04:39] <nickrud> I did my woody to sid over dialup
[04:39] <nickrud> took days..............
[04:39] <nekohayo> mm hey, when I close the lid, it messes up (tries some kind of suspend.. which doesn't work), how could I deactivate the lid event?
[04:39] <inc> nekohayo; you using an atheros 5212 chipset?
[04:39] <nekohayo> inc, for what? the wireless?
[04:40] <CyberDoo> nic
[04:40] <inc> yea
[04:40] <nekohayo> nope, sorry.. a linksys card, which is a realtek one in fact
[04:40] <inc> evil netgear
[04:40] <inc> lol
[04:40] <nekohayo> :)
[04:40] <waltz> linksys is SHIT, to put it mildly
[04:41] <pixil9> i had linksys
[04:41] <nekohayo> hey.. are there any plans to have something else than prism based wlan included in krnels someday?
[04:41] <CyberDoo> Anyone have a stationary X in the middle of the screen after loadup?
[04:41] <pixil9> asus has made the best SOHO wireless router ever
[04:41] <pixil9> imo
[04:41] <nekohayo> linksys is okay with me.
[04:41] <trey> hey all - i have a dell laptop and i am having trouble getting a broadcom wireless nic to work - can someone with ndiswrapper experience help me?
[04:41] <waltz> I'm 100% SMC.
[04:41] <pixil9> linksys blew ass
[04:41] <nekohayo> if you say so.
[04:41] <trey> the driver installs correctly but then when i go to modprobe it tells me fatal error cannot insert
[04:41] <inc> eww smc.. had a switch that died one port at a time lol
[04:42] <nekohayo> trey, did you do a ndiswrapper -l to check if the driver is "valid" ?
[04:42] <pixil9> The Asus / dlink are the only two with good web interfaces and proper WPA-PSK support
[04:42] <pixil9> linksys and smc is all garbage with WEP
[04:42] <nekohayo> I don't care, you can airsnort them in one minute
[04:42] <inc> i shouldn't need to use ndiswrapper with the atheros chipset do I?
[04:43] <pixil9> what is ndiswrapper for
[04:43] <inc> windows drivers on linux i think right?
[04:43] <nekohayo> by the way.. is there a newb tutorial for airsnort?
[04:43] <nekohayo> inc, I think so
[04:44] <pixil9> ah
[04:44] <pixil9> or you could just buy a new nic for $5
[04:45] <inc> anyone familiar with troubleshotting this thing? the wiki is is kind of lean on this
[04:45] <pixil9> ya i just looked.. never used it
[04:46] <pixil9> i've had the same 3c905 nics for like 10 years
[04:46] <sladen> inc: correct, you should not need ndis for atheros
[04:46] <inc> my wired xircom nic works like a charm but the wifi thing lol
[04:47] <inc> i do an lspci and I see it there
[04:48] <inc> i'm supposed to see something like ath_pci with i do lsmod but not there
[04:52] <cheryl> hi
[04:52] <inc> sup
[04:52] <cheryl> I have a question about installing aim on ubuntu 5.04
[04:52] <mikeco> hahah, xteddy blends in perfectly with the default ubuntu wallpaper
[04:53] <cheryl> On ubuntu linux 5.04
[04:53] <cheryl> I installed aim as root
[04:53] <cheryl> unzip -c aim-1.5.234-1.i386.tgz | tar xvf -
[04:53] <cheryl> Then as the user
[04:53] <cheryl> cheryl@cheryls:~$ /usr/local/bin/aim
[04:53] <cheryl> /usr/local/bin/aim: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:53] <inc> gaim
[04:53] <cheryl> I searched the whole disk for this library and it is not there.
[04:53] <cheryl> What should I do?
[04:54] <nickrud> cheryl, http:/debian/distrib/packages will let you search for packages that have files. Look in the unstable distribution.
[04:54] <inc> use synaptic to install gaim
[04:54] <KernelPanic> cheryl: just install gaim
[04:54] <inc> actually should be installed with hoary already
[04:54] <nickrud> the files you nedd :)
[04:54] <inc> apps> internet> gaim
[04:55] <cheryl> thanks I just found that
[04:55] <cheryl> gaim works
[04:55] <KernelPanic> :D
[04:55] <inc> yeah it rox
[04:55] <inc> ubuntu's got your back lol
[04:55] <DoppelGanger> pukes
[04:55] <cheryl> this is the best linux install.  Everything I need is already here
[04:56] <inc> DoppelGanger: lol
[04:56] <DoppelGanger> mwa ah ha
[04:56] <DoppelGanger> oh god stop it, it hurts
[04:56] <cheryl> so long bill gates, no more $$$ from me.  I will donate soon to ubuntu
[04:57] <inc> lol
[04:57] <inc> you can donate to me even though I haven't done anything
[04:57] <DoppelGanger> :-(
[04:57] <mikeco> hm
[04:57] <mikeco> haha
[04:57] <inc> :p
[04:57] <cheryl> you said gaim
[04:57] <mikeco> i think i tore something in my shoulder, which sucks
[04:57] <cheryl> that was a big help
[04:57] <nickrud> cheryl, better yet, order disks and pass them out, canonical doesn't need your money :)
[04:58] <cheryl> kewl
[04:58] <inc> pass them out like crack to kids
[04:58] <cheryl> I will
[04:58] <inc> first one's free
[04:58] <nickrud> my extra 9 disappeared from the library in 2 hours.
[04:58] <mikeco> no, because then the govt will try to corner the market
[04:58] <cheryl> I tried sUSE on my machine and it couldn't see my disk to install
[04:59] <inc> yes debian is good
[04:59] <cheryl> I spent a week trying to partition and any trick I could think of
[04:59] <inc> still doesn't like my wifi card though
[04:59] <mikeco> get a wireless bridge for your nic
[05:00] <cheryl> take care and thanks
[05:00] <mikeco> that's the lazy + easy and somewhat pricey way to do it
[05:00] <inc> cya cheryl
[05:00] <inc> lol i already got the card
[05:00] <mikeco> is it working?
[05:00] <inc> it's just laughing at me
[05:00] <mikeco> audibly?
[05:00] <mikeco> i'd take that back man
[05:01] <mikeco> that's crazy
[05:01] <mikeco> :-D
[05:01] <inc> well the voices in my haed tell me it is
[05:01] <inc> lol
[05:01] <mikeco> ahh, you should introduce your voices to mine
[05:01] <inc> then they can take over the world
[05:02] <mikeco> mine all sound like antonio banderas
[05:02] <Olsen> how can i add support for more codecs in totem?
[05:02] <mikeco> doesn't it use gstreamer?
[05:02] <inc> listen to the voices
[05:02] <mikeco> erm
[05:02] <mikeco> you mean like win32 or what?
[05:02] <mikeco> realplay?
[05:02] <inc> gstreamer8-mad or something
[05:03] <Olsen> MPEG-4
[05:03] <fazer> does anyone know why sound doesnt work in flash in firefox?
[05:03] <fazer> I looked at the how to
[05:03] <nickrud> Olsen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:03] <fazer> but...still doesn't do anything...hope I don't have to reboot =/
[05:03] <inc> fazer you need the non-free flash
[05:03] <Olsen> nickrud, thx
[05:03] <inc> yeah that's the wiki i was looking for
[05:03] <fazer> inc: that is exactly what I got.
[05:04] <nickrud> welcome, you too, inc
[05:04] <inc> hmm works for me
[05:04] <fazer> inc: I am talking about the flash player plugin
[05:04] <fazer> inc: I am using alsa, or, whatever it is.
[05:05] <inc> sound work for other stuff?
[05:05] <inc> like wav?
[05:05] <inc> volume up?
[05:07] <nickrud> pixil9, I'm curious, how's it going?
[05:07] <mrc3> hi! how can i play a wav file from the command line?
[05:07] <pixil9> nickrud: It won't upgrade past sid
[05:07] <mrc3> (i need it for psi, amsn, and other programs that need sound)
[05:08] <nickrud> what's the error?
[05:08] <pixil9> this laptop is such a hunk of shit i'm gonna break it
[05:08] <nickrud> pixil9, try upgrading the kernel to 2.6 something
[05:08] <nickrud> a shot in the dark
[05:09] <pixil9> I think I'm gonna stick something else on it
[05:09] <nickrud> crossed fingers in the general direction of pixil9
[05:09] <pixil9> heh
[05:09] <GUISlave> Blue Flops
[05:10] <GUISlave> Get that 386 feel
[05:10] <pixil9> got a link?
[05:10] <nickrud> yeah, the first ten have nothing to do with linux
[05:11] <GUISlave> http://www.iwave.ro/mini_distros/
[05:11] <GUISlave> Romainia
[05:11] <Nat^^> Hi Guys !
[05:11] <nickrud> pixil9, if you want to take a day or two, you can actually make sid work nicely.  Ran it for  years.
[05:11] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?
[05:11] <pixil9> it says xorg has no installation candidate
[05:11] <Nat^^> My first time on Ubuntu (live on Ibook G3 )...wowww :)
[05:12] <pixil9> xorg-common
[05:12] <mrc3> Nat^^, i'm on ibook g3 too! how's your ride going?
[05:12] <nickrud> pixil9, that probably can be beat
[05:12] <Nat^^> very very well :)
[05:12] <pixil9> i need something that won't fuckup for the next year cuz my bro is takin the laptop to australia
[05:13] <Nat^^> but i have a problem...
[05:13] <nickrud> pixil9, nothing is that good.
[05:13] <GUISlave> DSL would probably work nicely with that laptop
[05:13] <GUISlave> It's 50 megs though
[05:13] <pixil9> anything *nix should beat win95
[05:13] <pixil9> DSL?
[05:13] <lewwy> guys, anyone looking at my prob?
[05:13] <GUISlave> Damn Small Linux
[05:13] <mrc3> nickrud, i ran linux from scratch for 1.5 years, 8 months of which i didn't even reboot! :)
[05:14] <GUISlave> I've loaded it and it works nicely
[05:14] <GUISlave> Debian based
[05:14] <Nat^^> I run a debian on this Ibook, a sarge, I do not know why the dhclient does not work anymore...in your opinion I could mount the root debian partition from ubuntu live and install another dhclient there ??
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> what is the equivalent of /etc/rc.d/rc.local  on ubuntu??
[05:14] <nickrud> mrc3, I'm still living off my experience from building and running LFS
[05:14] <pixil9> GUISlave, floppy install? :P
[05:14] <GUISlave> Um, lemme check.
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> thks
[05:15] <TwEeT> hey
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> hey
[05:15] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: there is none. You make an /etc/init.d/script and create the symlinks with update-rc.d
[05:15] <TwEeT> Will a 500mhz 256mb comp work ok with gnome/ubuntu?
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:15] <Nat^^> I was able to mount my debian root partition but...I do not know the command to let ubuntu install some application there...helppp !!!
[05:15] <crimsun> TwEeT: yes
[05:15] <fazer> its a nice feeling knowing that you won't be hit with spyware in Ubuntu =)
[05:15] <nickrud> nomasteryoda, there is none, you write a new script, based on /etc/init.d/skeleton, drop it into /etc/init.d and link it
[05:15] <GUISlave> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, cool
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> nickrud, thanks
[05:15] <TwEeT> Will it be horribly slow
[05:15] <GUISlave> I see boot.img files
[05:15] <TwEeT> ?
[05:16] <crimsun> TwEeT: no
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> you guys rock!
[05:16] <pixil9> ah
[05:16] <pixil9> nice
 oh really? is there any tweaks that I can perform to get the best out of it?
[05:16] <mrc3> Nat^^, i'm new to ubuntu and debian altogether, sorry i can't help
[05:16] <pixil9> I will try it
[05:16] <crimsun> TwEeT: though I recommend you consider slimmer alternative desktops like fluxbox and Xfce
[05:16] <pixil9> for something to do
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> i just installed Ubuntu on this Dell D505 and am trying to setup the 1400x1050 res
 I'm installing it for my sister, and gnome is the easiest
[05:16] <crimsun> TwEeT: Xfce is quite nice, too
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: gnome should be good enough I guess.  I run xfce with Ubuntu on a PII 366 MHz with 160 MB ram =/
[05:17] <pixil9> GUISlave, downloadin now
[05:17] <nickrud> nomasteryoda, what's in your monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:17] <Nat^^> mrc3, thank you anyway...i think to need a poweruser..sigh..
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: sometimes its terribly slow when you have too much stuff open.
[05:17] <hypno> Nat^^ please rephrase your question?
 I understand, gnome is better though =D
[05:17] <Nat^^> I was able to mount my debian root partition but...I do not know the command to let ubuntu install some application there...helppp !!!
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: gnome is better when it comes to userfriendlyness, yes.
[05:17] <Nat^^> I have to change my dhclient on my deb partition...
[05:17] <hypno> rephrase, not repeat ;)
[05:17] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: like, plug in a USB drive and itusually recognizes it and makes a desktop icon for you.
[05:18] <Nat^^> sorry hipno :)
 Thats what I need, User Friendliness
[05:18] <hypno> you have a installation of both debian and ubuntu and you want to install something on the debian one?
[05:18] <crimsun> fazer: you can get that same functionality in another environment by invoking gnome-volume-manager &
[05:18] <Nat^^> well essentially I need to install some apps from ubuntu live on the HD ( a debian root partition) is possible and how ?
[05:18] <TwEeT> I guess I'll try it and see how it goes
[05:18] <crimsun> fazer: and you'd probably find gnome-settings-daemon &  useful, too
[05:18] <Nat^^> exactly hipno !
[05:19] <TwEeT> I'm converting her early, I showed her what it looked like and she's like, i want it, i want it... ok then, you got it
[05:19] <crimsun> Nat^^: chroot into your Debian install
[05:19] <fazer> crimsun: oh..thanks!
[05:19] <TwEeT> Almost got my mom to switch, she just is a "windows" victim.
[05:19] <hypno> Nat^^ assuming the networking on the debian is broken, you'll have to copy the needed .deb files over, then reboot into debian and install them normally
[05:19] <TwEeT> She doesn't want to "learn" a new thing/
[05:19] <fazer> TwEeT: give your sister a mac Mini, she'll seriously dig it!
[05:20] <TwEeT> Screw that
[05:20] <fazer> =/
[05:20] <Nat^^> good workaround hypno !
[05:20] <Marble2> I feel so awesome, I just compiled my own .deb and it's working perfectly
[05:20] <crimsun> hypno: no need. He can mount his Debian partition then chroot it.
[05:20] <TwEeT> I know she will, but we don't have money to spend on crap like that
[05:20] <Nat^^> I am going to download the dhclient deb :)
[05:20] <fazer> TwEeT: heh =/
[05:20] <Nat^^> crimsun, I am sorry but I do not know how chroot :(
[05:20] <fazer> TwEeT: its not really crap, the new Tiger release is a revolution when it comes to OS =/
[05:20] <hypno> crimsun it's the path of least resistance.. :)
[05:20] <Nat^^> could you explain or is tool
[05:20] <crimsun> Nat^^: are you in Ubuntu?
 How so, all I see on their homepage is widgets
[05:20] <Nat^^> just now !
[05:20] <pixil9> GUISlave, somehow i doubt this will support my xircom pccard :P
[05:21] <TwEeT> and some better search functions
[05:21] <crimsun> Nat^^: and where is your Debian partition mounted if you're in Ubuntu?
[05:21] <fazer> TwEeT: its other things that make you go "wow" when you use it.
[05:21] <Nat^^> but is a live version
[05:21] <crimsun> Nat^^: that's fine
[05:21] <Nat^^> on /mnt (starting from /dev/hda11)
[05:21] <fazer> TwEeT: its rock solidly stable and has the UNIX interface ... its basically UNIX
 I know, but I don't like ONLY using mac hardware, that gives them a HUGE advantage
[05:21] <TwEeT> in creating a sweet os
[05:21] <crimsun> Nat^^: sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[05:21] <Nat^^> ok
[05:22] <TwEeT> they don't have to worry about hardware conflicts, compatibility at all for the most part...
[05:22] <fazer> TwEeT: exactly, that's a sacrifice you have to make to receive rock solid stability
 linux seems rock solid to me
[05:22] <TwEeT> and windows XP (at times)
[05:22] <TwEeT> most times
[05:23] <TwEeT> but ya, its rock solid for the most part
[05:23] <fazer> TwEeT: I'd say they both are.  But config'ing it can be a pain =/
[05:23] <Nat^^> ok no errors, but if i understood i changed my root partition now ??
[05:23] <KernelPanic> ho needs windows??:p
 Me
[05:23] <TwEeT> Games.
[05:23] <zenrox> TwEeT,  what games
[05:23] <KernelPanic> :p
[05:23] <TwEeT> I would switch in one split second
[05:23] <crimsun> Nat^^: you're now in your Debian partition, and for all practical purposes, are in fact running Debian
[05:23] <TwEeT> Mostly steam apps, and sometimes BF1942, stuff like that
[05:23] <KernelPanic> doom3 enz can you also play on Linux:)
[05:23] <GUISlave> I hate the fact that windows doesn't control everything.
[05:23] <whaq> some commercial multimedia content creations also
[05:23] <Nat^^> and...can I use apt from there ???
[05:23] <zenrox> TwEeT,  most popular games are able to be played on linux
[05:23] <fazer> crimsun: is gnome-volume-manager a GUI or just a background application?
[05:23] <crimsun> Nat^^: yep
[05:23] <GUISlave> When I say shutdown, I mean shutdown and kill everything
[05:24] <crimsun> fazer: "background"
[05:24] <fazer> crimsun: ah hehe okay.
[05:24] <TwEeT> Plus the Skype support in ubuntu isn't that good (or vice versa), I already bought cedega for a month, i almost switched, but I converted my laptop
[05:24] <Nat^^> Greaaaatttttteeeee !!!!! Thank you infinitely crimsun !!!! :)))
[05:24] <treyD> hey guys, i have a dell 700m and i can't my screen working properly
[05:24] <crimsun> Nat^^: np
[05:24] <treyD> i download 855resolution
[05:24] <treyD> its installed
[05:24] <zenrox> TwEeT,  skype takes some playing around to get it to work