[04:39] <ahoneybun> is Ubuntu.DownloadManager not working for everyone?
[04:51] <HearT^KilleR> can someone help me with installing an eggdrop
[04:56] <akiva-thinkpad> HearT^KilleR: eggdrop?
[04:57] <akiva-thinkpad> HearT^KilleR: is that the irc bot?
[04:57] <HearT^KilleR> yes
[05:00] <akiva-thinkpad> I have experience with supybot, brb
[05:01] <HearT^KilleR> hmm
[05:02] <HearT^KilleR> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy/main tcl-dev i386 8.5.0-2ubuntu5
[05:02] <HearT^KilleR>   404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8c01::19 80]
[05:02] <HearT^KilleR> some developments are not found
[05:02] <HearT^KilleR> i am trying to install  apt-get install tcl-dev
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:23] <akiva-thinkpad> dholbach: morning
[07:24] <sturmflut2> nemo, mcphail_ : Ping
[07:26] <dholbach> hey akiva-thinkpad
[07:26] <akiva-thinkpad> dholbach: what you working on these days?
[07:27] <dholbach> akiva-thinkpad, lots of small things and some bits related to snappy and the developer site :)
[07:27] <dholbach> and you?
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> dholbach: sdk autopilot plugin, and the filemanager app. Waiting for jenkins to be updated though on that.
[07:28] <dholbach> wow, nice!
[07:28] <dholbach> balloons told me all about your great work!
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> I want to start creating desktop versions of the core apps, but I need to ask again what is the best booleon to determine when an app is in desktop mode
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> dholbach: thanks!
[07:29] <akiva-thinkpad> it was really good practice.
[07:29] <dholbach> I can imagine
[09:05] <ogra_> hmpf
[09:06] <ogra_> what happened to url-dispatcher ... seems my apps cant open external links anymopre
[09:06] <ogra_> qml: Opening remote: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168
[09:06] <ogra_> ** (process:5045): WARNING **: Unable to dispatch url 'http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168':GDBus.Error:com.canonical.URLDispatcher.BadURL: URL 'http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168' is not handleable by the URL Dispatcher
[09:06] <ogra_> do i need to use a different format ?
[09:25] <DanChapman> ogra_: Looks like a bug... I can't open your link above in dekko, but url-dispatcher is still working for me when clicking other links
[09:34] <ogra_> DanChapman, thanks, i'll wait for kenvandine and ted to show up :)
[09:36] <ogra_> it is any URL btw ... not just that one above
[11:18] <Frantique> hello all
[11:20] <Frantique> does anyone knows where asciigirl is? And why she doesn't make the reviews? :(
[11:36] <nemo_> sturmflut2: good morning
[11:36] <sturmflut2> nemo_: Sorry, solved it by now. I wanted to know how to build SDL2_ttf for the phone.
[11:36] <nemo> ah
[11:36] <nemo> well. that was 3AM my TZ ☺
[13:03] <ogra_> kenvandine, yo !
[13:09] <kenvandine> ogra_, yo !
[13:10] <ogra_> kenvandine, so since a while all my apps dont open external links anymore
[13:10] <ogra_> with messages like:
 qml: Opening remote: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168
 ** (process:5045): WARNING **: Unable to dispatch url 'http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168':GDBus.Error:com.canonical.URLDispatcher.BadURL: URL 'http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168' is not handleable by the URL Dispatcher
[13:10] <kenvandine> that would be url-dispatcher
[13:10] <kenvandine> need to ask ted
[13:10] <kenvandine> i haven't noticed that
[13:11] <ogra_> well, thats for my own written apps
[13:11] <ogra_> like the G+ app in the store
[13:13] <ogra_> i'm only using Qt.openUrlExternally() though
[13:13] <kenvandine> that should work fine
[13:14] <ogra_> well, that is what gets me the above
[13:14] <kenvandine> i just tried it from your g+ app on my arale
[13:14] <kenvandine> worked fine
[13:14] <kenvandine> opened a browser
[13:14] <ogra_> super weird
[13:14] <kenvandine> wily or vivid?
[13:14] <kenvandine> vivid for me
[13:14] <ogra_> i dont touch wily ... makes no sense :)
[13:15] <kenvandine> thought so :)
[13:15] <kenvandine> well works here
[13:15] <kenvandine> so maybe the db is messed up
[13:15] <ogra_> so yeah, vivid ... arale latest image ... but thats going on since a while already
[13:15] <kenvandine> i don't know much about url-dispatcher, but i think there's some db used
[13:15] <ogra_> more than a week at least, i only bothered today to take a look at the logs
[13:16]  * kenvandine wonders where tedg is when we need him
[13:16] <ogra_> he'll show up soon, i'm sure
[13:16] <ogra_> these 'mericans always sleep into the late afternoon :P
[13:16] <kenvandine> ~/.cache/url-dispatcher/
[13:16] <kenvandine> haha
[13:16]  * kenvandine has been up for hours already :)
[13:17]  * ogra_ grins
[13:17] <kenvandine> anyway, before whacking anything there
[13:17] <kenvandine> lets check with tedg
[13:17] <kenvandine> might want some debug info
[13:17] <ogra_> yeah, no hurry
[13:17] <kenvandine> but i'm pretty sure it's something out of whack on your device
[13:17] <kenvandine> i open urls daily from your g+ app, never seen an issue
[13:17] <ogra_> well, then i'm happy ... as long as it isnt the app
[13:17] <ogra_> i just dont want it broken for users
[13:18] <kenvandine> i think it's cool :)
[13:18] <ogra_> yeah
[13:25]  * ogra_ notices that ted hides from here ... he is talking in snappy channels :P
[13:26] <kenvandine> ah ha!
[13:27] <ogra_> ha !
[13:27]  * tedg makes ogra_ happy
 <ogra_> qml: Opening remote: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168
 <ogra_> ** (process:5045): WARNING **: Unable to dispatch url 'http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168':GDBus.Error:com.canonical.URLDispatcher.BadURL: URL 'http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-install-fest-innovathens-greece-2015/2168' is not handleable by the URL Dispatcher
[13:27] <ogra_> tedg, any idea why my app cant open external links anymore ?
[13:27] <ogra_> seems my url-dispatcher is screwed
[13:27] <tedg> Hmm, no idea.
[13:27] <kenvandine> jey tedg!
[13:27] <tedg> ogra_, Are you by chance on wily?
[13:28] <kenvandine> tedg, i've confirmed it works for me from his app, vivid
[13:28] <ogra_> started a while ago ... when i looked today i found such errors
[13:28] <kenvandine> must be his device
[13:28] <ogra_> tedg, no, i wouldnt touch wily
[13:29] <tedg> ogra_, Run this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/url-dispatcher/trunk.15.10/view/head:/tools/url-dispatcher-dump
[13:29] <tedg> kenvandine, I was talking with cwayne last night about exporting an HTML doc to the browser, figured that was your cup of tea.
[13:29] <tedg> kenvandine, Not sure a way to do that.
[13:29] <ogra_> tedg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11882609/
[13:30] <kenvandine> exporting?
[13:31] <tedg> ogra_, Huh, that looks like what I'd expect
[13:31] <tedg> ogra_, Anything in the URL dispatcher log?
[13:31]  * ogra_ checks
[13:31] <tedg> kenvandine, He has a local HTML file that he'd like to view. Guessing help or something.
[13:32] <kenvandine> so just rendering a local html file?
[13:32] <ogra_> ** (process:1656): CRITICAL **: url_db_find_url: assertion 'db != NULL' failed
[13:32] <ogra_> ** (process:1656): CRITICAL **: url_db_find_url: assertion 'db != NULL' failed
[13:32] <ogra_> tedg, lost of that ^^^
[13:32] <ogra_> *lots
[13:32] <kenvandine> the problem with that is it might reference other content, like images
[13:33] <kenvandine> so transferring the html file might not be enough
[13:33] <ogra_> tedg, and i can add such a line with a click in the G+ app
[13:33] <ogra_> each tap gets me a new one
[13:33] <tedg> ogra_, It seems to not have a DB... which is odd as you just queried it.
[13:34] <ogra_> yeah
[13:34] <tedg> ogra_, Delete the log and restart to see if it gives an error at startup.
[13:34] <tedg> kenvandine, Sure, I call those "content hub problems" and I assume someone else will solve them ;-)
[13:34] <ogra_> nope, just the same line
[13:34] <ogra_> (and an empty one above)
[13:34] <kenvandine> tedg, thought so :)
[13:36] <tedg> ogra_, Hmm, if you delete the url-dispatcher cache and reboot it should rebuild it. But not sure how it get fubar'd
[13:36] <kenvandine> tedg, a while back mine was fubar'd and had to delete the cache too
[13:37] <kenvandine> a while being ages ago...
[13:37] <ogra_> tedg, delete everything ? including the click-urls subdir ?
[13:37] <kenvandine> just worry we don't have a good way for the user to recover from this
[13:37] <ogra_> oir just the sqlite file ?
[13:37] <tedg> ogra_, You can delete everything, click will recreate the symbolic links.
[13:37] <ogra_> ok
[13:37]  * ogra_ mv's it out of the way
[13:38] <tedg> Heh, wimp ;-)
[13:38] <ogra_> heh, thats the german in me ... always a safety net ;)
[13:39] <ogra_> tedg, works fine now
[13:40] <ogra_> i guess thats something to keep an eye open for
[13:40] <kenvandine> tedg, would be cool if it could handle an error like that and rebuild the cache
[13:40] <ogra_> what i notice in the regenerated db is that webbrowser-app now has its entries at the very top being the first http handler
[13:41] <tedg> Yeah, I'm not sure what the error really *is*
[13:41] <tedg> Hard to handle "randomness"
[13:42] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11882662/ db output after re-gen
[13:43] <tedg> Yeah, the ordering is effectively random. It's basically the sqlite hashing that determines it.
[13:43] <ogra_> k
[13:43] <tedg> On a rebuild it should be processing order, and we do system then usr, but over time it'll just be interleaved.
[13:44] <ogra_> anyway, all fine now ... if we hear from others about it we at least know it happened before :)
[13:44] <tedg> I think what I've come to realize is that we're getting a fair number of URLs, which is cool.
[13:45] <tedg> I'm kinda surprised more people didn't use intent though.
[13:56] <ohmy> hello, Is there anyway to dump all QML object tree into XML (or other) format please ?
[14:07] <kalikiana> ohmy: you can do JSON.stringify(object)
[14:48] <DF__> hey guys
[14:48] <DF__> i have a question, witch is the latest Ubuntu.Components ou there, because i get error on 1.1
[15:18] <faenil> karni: hey :)
[15:18] <karni> faenil: yo
[15:18] <faenil> karni: how is it going with the new telegram backend?
[15:22] <ahoneybun> DF__: 1.2
[15:26] <DF__> ok ty
[16:20] <ahoneybun> mhall119: http://qmlbook.github.io/
[16:25] <DF__> How can i show console.log in the app
[16:40] <ahoneybun> in the app DF__?
[16:40] <ahoneybun> you can show it in the SDK from what I know
[16:42] <ahoneybun> console.log("pushed some button or something")
[16:47] <DF__> i want to show it in the app
[16:47] <DF__> it's data from a web-service
[16:47] <DF__> but i want to show it in the app
[17:00] <ahoneybun> text: i18n.tr("Status: 'current status'")
[17:02] <DF__> i'll try out if i can print the function in there
[17:02] <ahoneybun> I'm writing a example
[17:02] <DF__> ok ty
[17:03] <DF__> btw it didnt work
[17:03] <DF__> because my function has several consoles.log
[17:04] <ahoneybun> I would not think it would be hard to do
[17:04] <ahoneybun> console.log == statusLog.text or something
[17:04] <ahoneybun> just thinking from experience
[17:06] <ahoneybun> then this would not work: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11883623/
[17:10] <DF__> ok i'll try it out
[17:17] <DF__> see my code here
[17:17] <DF__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11883686/
[17:22]  * ahoneybun opens it
[17:23] <ahoneybun> does that work?
[17:24] <DF__> yep
[17:24] <DF__> only one thing
[17:24] <DF__> it only shows the data on the console
[17:24] <ahoneybun> I would think you can add: console.log("Status: " + ajax.status + ", Status Text: " + ajax.statusText);
[17:24] <DF__> i want to show it on the app
[17:24] <ahoneybun> to a label
[17:24] <ahoneybun> with text: i18n.tr()
[17:25] <DF__> but does that call that fucntion??
[17:25] <ahoneybun> one way to find out, I'm not to knowledgeable about use that
[17:26] <DF__> ok, i'll try it
[17:26] <ahoneybun> just trying to brainstorm here :)
[17:26] <DF__> ok :)
[17:27] <ahoneybun> why does the onClicked have text: ?
[17:27] <ahoneybun> the text would be outside of the onClicked and inside the Button
[17:27] <ahoneybun> I would think
[17:28] <DF__> i vtried it
[17:28] <DF__> to put there
[17:28] <DF__> but it doesnt anything
[17:29] <ahoneybun> maybe onTriggered would be better for that then onClicked
[17:30] <DF__> humm i'll try it out
[17:30] <ahoneybun> can you paste your whole code?
[17:31] <DF__> sure
[17:32] <DF__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11883765/
[17:32] <ahoneybun> thanks I'll try it out as well
[17:33] <ahoneybun> won't work much since you have it hitting a localhost but still
[17:33] <ahoneybun> puts out a status that I can use
[17:33] <DF__> yep
[17:33] <DF__> you can use twitter api to
[17:34] <ahoneybun> I've never used a API tbh
[17:35] <DF__> ow
[17:36] <ahoneybun> yep
[17:37] <DF__> btw me to
[17:37] <DF__> i'm still a noob developer in ubuntu
[17:37] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[17:37] <ahoneybun> same
[17:37] <ahoneybun> XD
[17:37] <DF__> but want to learn it fast
[17:37] <ahoneybun> at least you have some knowledge of APIs
[17:37] <DF__> i have an mx4 to test my software
[17:37] <ahoneybun> more then I do lol
[17:38] <ahoneybun> I have the good old Nexus 4
[17:38] <DF__> i have that to but battery died :(
[17:38] <DF__> and the 4 is good very good actualy
[17:38] <ahoneybun> mine did too but I replaced it
[17:39] <DF__> i was pllaning that but lg's suplier where lieres and said to me that they had send the things but they lied
[17:40] <DF__> so i canceld the order
[17:40] <ahoneybun> that they have no new batteries?
[17:41] <DF__> no that they had already send me the shipment
[17:41] <DF__> i was hopping 1 week
[17:44] <ahoneybun> longer?
[17:47] <DF__> yes
[17:47] <DF__> first they told me that they had already shipped the things then afert a day or 2 they told me that they didnt do it
[17:47] <ahoneybun> that sucks
[17:48] <DF__> then i told them "if the order hasnt ship yet then cancel my order and give me my money back" so they gived my money back
[17:49] <ahoneybun> oh wow
[17:50] <DF__> thats what you call lying to a client
[17:51] <ahoneybun> for sure
[18:05] <ahoneybun> I'm a bit lost to say DF__
[18:20] <DF__> lol
[18:20] <DF__> so what did you see??
[20:03] <balloons> does anyone know offhand where the alarms are stored on the desktop? I'd like to delete them all sanely
[20:17] <balloons> welp it's seemingly under .local/share/evolution
[20:39] <dubstar_04> has Ubuntu.Components.ToolbarItems been depreciated?


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[06:13] <rick_timmis> Riddell: Good Morning jonathan, indeed we finished off the rest of the Haggis. Will try to catch up with you a little later today.
[06:14] <rick_timmis> Riddell: I'm at my desk all day today, give me a nudge when your about.
[06:44] <jackyalcine> Good luck guys, with the KF5 porting and what not.
[06:44] <jackyalcine> Looks like a hurdle.
[06:47] <shadeslayer> not exactly
[06:47] <shadeslayer> there'll be loads of spluts
[06:47] <shadeslayer> *splits
[06:47] <shadeslayer> so that's going to be a PITA to manage
[07:17] <jackyalcine> I read somewhere how the splitting might make it more convinent for devs to come and work on specific modules
[07:17] <jackyalcine> but how the versioning of KDE altogether wouldn't change.
[07:17] <jackyalcine> how is that working out?
[07:19] <shadeslayer> true and true
[07:19] <shadeslayer> well ... the same as it works out right now?
[07:20] <shadeslayer> you release the SC together
[07:20] <shadeslayer> all components follow the release cycle etc
[07:24] <jackyalcine> hm
[07:25] <jackyalcine> so just between you and me (and everyone else here, haha)
[07:25] <jackyalcine> would we ever see a KDE 5.0?
[07:29] <shadeslayer> jackyalcine: heh, there's no KDE 5.0
[07:29] <shadeslayer> meh versions
[07:29] <shadeslayer> there's KDE Frameworks 5
[07:30] <shadeslayer> the branding is getting mighty confusing now
[07:30] <shadeslayer> for eg. is there a difference between KDE SC and KDE Frameworks?
[07:48] <jackyalcine> yeah
[07:48] <jackyalcine> that's part of it
[07:48] <jackyalcine> is there any idea on how something like this would be patched up?
[07:48] <jackyalcine> wonder if Blue got something
[07:53] <shadeslayer> patched up?
[07:55] <shadeslayer> whut?
[08:08] <jackyalcine> lol sorry
[08:09] <jackyalcine> Like how would the (potential) branding issue be resolved (if it becomes too much of a problem).
[08:09] <jackyalcine> To be honest, time-related releases would be awesome. but it'd be weird jumping from KDE 4 to KDE 13 lol
[08:13] <shadeslayer> heh
[08:13] <shadeslayer> well ... I don't know myself
[08:13] <shadeslayer> I know that KDE Frameworks is a set of modules
[08:13] <shadeslayer> so you can add a framework module ontop of Qt to get extra functionality
[08:13] <shadeslayer> but I don't know how it relates to KDE SC
[08:14] <shadeslayer> and as for KDE, after the branding change, it will always refer to the community
[08:18] <jackyalcine> that's the upside
[08:18] <jackyalcine> thanks for saturating my brain, shadeslayer
[08:18] <jackyalcine> :)
[08:18] <shadeslayer> glad to :P
[08:19] <shadeslayer> I'm reasonably certain that someone here can explain KDE SC vs FF if you stick around
[08:19] <shadeslayer> everyone is sleeping probably
[08:19] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: FF?
[08:19] <Tm_T> sleep?
[08:19] <shadeslayer> oh sorry
[08:19] <shadeslayer> Frameworks Five
[08:19] <shadeslayer> FF
[08:19] <Tm_T> ah not final fantasy
[08:20] <shadeslayer> not Firefox either
[08:20] <Tm_T> Firefox is Fx
[08:20] <shadeslayer> oic
[08:20] <Tm_T> atleast that's how their FAQ said some years ago (:
[08:21] <Tm_T> anyway, frameworks are technology you build on your user level software, for example KDE sc
[08:21] <shadeslayer> hm, I thought it was the other way around
[08:21] <shadeslayer> KDE SC builds ontop of FF
[08:22] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[08:22] <shadeslayer> that's what you said :P
[08:23] <jackyalcine> lol I was thinking Fantastic Four
[08:23] <shadeslayer> Funky Funk
[08:23] <shadeslayer> KDE should name a release : KDE Funky Funk
[08:23] <shadeslayer> and go all retro
[08:23] <Tm_T> let's redo KDE 2 ?
[08:24] <Tm_T> oh wait that's almost what some people are demanding on certain development channels in time to time
[08:24] <shadeslayer> I have a Kubuntu 8.04 CD lying around somewhere
[08:24]  * shadeslayer rages at ubuntu
[08:24] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I should have Ubuntu cds all the way from 5.04 if not 4.10 too
[08:25] <shadeslayer> it cannot run in a VM with 2GB of memory
[08:25] <Tm_T> huh
[08:30] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: http://i.imgur.com/A5h34hR.jpg
[09:21] <yofel__> good morning
[09:30] <yofel__> shadeslayer: that looks more like llvmpipe not working right
[09:30] <yofel__> last time I tried it in KVM it did work, but was slow as hell
[10:15] <hrw> hi
[10:15] <hrw> does someone here use more then 1 monitor with kde?
[10:16] <Riddell> hrw: yes
[10:16] <hrw> Riddell: is there a way to really get kde to remember their setup?
[10:17] <hrw> Riddell: here, never mind what I set in systemsettings, I end with clone
[10:17] <hrw> instead of HDMI0:auto DVI0: right of HDMI0 rotate: left
[10:18] <Riddell> hrw: yes, ignore the current tool it's pretty messy and install kscreen from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[10:18] <hrw> thanks
[10:18] <Riddell> it needs testers and afiestas is awaiting your feedback (also package reviews to get it into the archive)
[10:19] <hrw> ok
[10:19] <hrw> if this will not work I will revert to good old style: xorg.conf
[10:20] <Riddell> hardcore
[10:20] <hrw> but works always
[10:22] <hrw> ok. tested
[10:23] <hrw> looks like xorg.conf needs to go - radeon driver dislike rotating screen in working x11 session
[10:23] <allee> Riddell: about kscreen: there at least one issue left: what to do about the 'conflikt' with the old screen management module in kded4.
[10:24] <allee> What has to be done is described in README.debian
[10:24] <allee> AFAIR fedora splittet the old monitor module into it's own pkg and conflicts with it
[10:24] <hrw> afiestas: please add clear information which way screen is rotated.
[10:25] <Riddell> allee: yes that's what I'm thinking
[10:25] <hrw> as "thick line at side of screen" tells me nothing
[10:25] <allee> allee: mhmm or we divert the old module 'away'
[10:25] <hrw> afiestas: 'identify screens' icon is low res and not intuitive
[10:26] <hrw> afiestas: also there is no info when screens are not snapped.
[10:28] <hrw> afiestas: or if I want to have left in landscape (1920x1080) while right rotated (1080x1920) and snapped in the middle
[10:29] <hrw> afiestas: also buttons to enable/disable screens are non-standard
[10:31] <yofel__> afiestas: one thing that happened to be with kscreen: Turn external monitor off, wait 1s, turn it on again while kscreen is still auto-adjusting. What I got was a screen on my external monitor with the size of my notebook screen and the notebook screen was black
[10:31] <yofel__> s/to be/to me/
[10:31] <kubotu> yofel__ meant: "afiestas: one thing that happened to me with kscreen: Turn external monitor off, wait 1s, turn it on again while kscreen is still auto-adjusting. What I got was a screen on my external monitor with the size of my notebook screen and the notebook screen was black"
[10:32] <afiestas> hrw: report bugs pls
[10:32] <hrw> afiestas: will
[10:32] <afiestas> yofel__: report bugs
[10:33] <yofel__> will do later
[10:33] <hrw> but firs thave to get xorg.conf written
[10:38] <hrw> ok, restart kdm
[10:50] <hrw> afiestas: it works!
[10:52] <hrw> afiestas: where to report bugs against kscreen?
[11:01] <afiestas> hrw: usual place
[11:02] <hrw> afiestas: you mean /dev/null?
[11:03] <afiestas> hrw: bugs.kde.org
[11:03] <hrw> so same place
[11:05] <afiestas> hrw: saying that bugs.kde.org is dev/null at least in my case is insulting, I spend many hours triaging bugs
[11:05] <afiestas> so please, if you want to give feedback do so via bugzilla, if you do not want then do nothing and wait to things to get fixed
[11:05] <hrw> afiestas: sorry for that but most of bugs I reported there stayed there
[11:05] <afiestas> so what? that's not excuse
[11:05] <afiestas> we mostly develop shit in our free time doing the best you can
[11:06] <afiestas> the very least you can do is report bugs and try to do your best as we do

[11:07] <afiestas> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=NEEDSINFO&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&component=common&component=kcm&component=kded&component=libkscreen&product=KScreen
[11:08] <afiestas> hrw: I challenge you to find there a bug that has not been replied, taken care of, or even fixed
[11:21] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: are you there?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[11:43] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: it seems the patches in the tomboy-blogposter 0.4.4 is not needed can you confirm that
[11:44] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what that package is
[11:44] <shadeslayer> but have you checked if they were applied upstream?
[11:44] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: the make files are changes and there is not makefile in the source dir
[11:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: the changelog says the build system is moved to automake, but building fails because of the missing makefile
[11:48] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer:  i think the problem is something else
[11:48] <shadeslayer> seems like they were applied upstream
[11:48] <shadeslayer> https://github.com/ozamosi/tomboy-blogposter/commits/master
[11:48] <shadeslayer> last 2 commits
[11:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: I had removed all the patches
[11:49] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: just from reading the changelog, that sounds right
[11:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: there is something else in the log, i will take a look at it.
[11:49] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:50] <phoenix_firebrd> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
[12:04] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: that's at least missing the error context
[12:04] <yofel__> I would guess that automake failed for some other reason
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: hi
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: i found it
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: i am editing the rules now
[12:24] <shadeslayer> yofel__: http://i.imgur.com/ZnzlGUS.png
[12:25] <shadeslayer> all in python
[12:25] <shadeslayer> and that black area actually does show your video
[12:25] <shadeslayer> it's just really dark in my room :P
[12:26] <yofel__> is that plain pyqt or qml?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> pyqt
[12:27] <yofel__> ah
[12:27] <yofel__> still nice
[12:30] <shadeslayer> yofel__: https://gist.github.com/4663893
[12:31] <shadeslayer> clone to /tmp
[12:31] <shadeslayer> too bad I can't add the videoplayer to the ui file itself
[12:32] <shadeslayer> it conflicts with the one from Qt causing stuff to crash and burn
[12:36] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: btw. you do know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek ?
[12:37] <yofel__> shadeslayer: crash and burn o.O?
[12:37] <shadeslayer> ok, crash and burn was a bit too much :P
[12:37] <shadeslayer> basically it does something really stupid
[12:37] <yofel__> heh
[12:38] <yofel__> oh, there's testing sessions tomorrow on UDW
[12:38] <yofel__> might we worth to listen to
[12:38] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: this is nice
[12:38] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: I recommend you listen to dholbach's intro sessions today
[12:38] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: the last 4 days where like the same
[12:38] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: here or in any other channel?
[12:39] <yofel__> #ubuntu-classroom, it's explained on the wiki
[12:39] <shadeslayer> I load the MediaSource into the VideoPlayer and it goes all "You're loading a KDE Phonon MediaSource into the Qt VideoPlayer!!! WTH are you trying to do?!!! "
[12:39] <shadeslayer> but the error message is completely different, it says "You're passing MediaSource to a function that accepts MediaSource"
[12:39] <yofel__> shadeslayer: lol, "Building Ubuntu images -- ogra", fun session that'll be :D
[12:40] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:40] <shadeslayer> I plan to attend that one
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Maybe there'll be some awesome tips in there
[12:40] <shadeslayer> I also have questions
[12:41] <Riddell> worth posting that to the mailing list
[12:41] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: the class starts approx 2 hrs from now
[12:42] <yofel__> ~time utc
[12:42] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: you know these are my long requested classes
[12:42] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[12:42] <yofel__> meh
[12:43] <shadeslayer> ~time
[12:43] <jussi> ~time gmt
[12:43] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[12:43] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: 12:43
[12:43] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: yeah, a bit more than 2h till then
[12:43] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:43] <jussi> ~time london
[12:43] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[12:43] <yofel__> ~time
[12:43] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[12:43] <jussi> ~time +0
[12:43] <kubotu> +0 is not a valid country code.
[12:43] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ~time set Asia/Kolkata
[12:44] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that shadeslayer is on the Asia/Kolkata time zone
[12:44] <yofel__> ~time set Europe/Berlin
[12:44] <jussi> ~time uk
[12:44] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that yofel__ is on the Europe/Berlin time zone
[12:44] <kubotu> Europe - London - Tue Jan 29 12:44 GMT
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ~time
[12:44] <kubotu> Asia - Kolkata - Tue Jan 29 18:14 IST
[12:44] <yofel__> ~time
[12:44] <jussi> there we go :D
[12:44] <kubotu> Europe - Berlin - Tue Jan 29 13:44 CET
[12:44] <yofel__> kubotu: help time
[12:44] <kubotu> usage: time <timestamp|time zone|nick> -- timestamp: get info about a specific time, relative to your own time zone | time zone: get local time of a certain location, <time zone> can be '<Continent>/<City>' or a two character country code | nick: get local time of another person, given they have set their location | see `~help time set` on how to set your location
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> ~time set Asia/Kolkata
[12:44] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that phoenix_firebrd is on the Asia/Kolkata time zone
[12:45] <yofel__> meh
[12:45] <yofel__> !time
[12:45] <yofel__> huh, /msg gave something else -.-
[12:45] <yofel__> !time utc
[12:46]  * yofel__ gives up
[12:51] <shadeslayer> yofel__: re llvmpipe, good thing that we don't do that :P
[12:51] <yofel__> about that... doesn't qt5 require opengl?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> No idea
[12:52] <shadeslayer> drat
[12:52] <shadeslayer> does anyone have a screenshot of ubiquity using your webcam?
[12:52] <shadeslayer> I need to check what the ui looks like
[12:52] <xnox> shadeslayer: yes, see slide-decks.
[12:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: I will take the classes,  bbl
[12:53] <xnox> shadeslayer: or do you mean the new kde one?!
[12:53] <shadeslayer> xnox: no, the gtk one
[12:53] <shadeslayer> the KDE one still needs me connecting the signals
[12:53] <shadeslayer> after which it'll be ready
[12:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: signals to what?
[12:53] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/SlideDecks from there Typical install gives me https://picasaweb.google.com/105922848292507689403/1210TypicalInstall?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOj8r6OyseCZOQ&feat=directlink#5802137264712864706
[12:53] <shadeslayer> xnox: http://i.imgur.com/ZnzlGUS.png
[12:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: push button that saves a snapshot of the videocam to the right location or copies the png file that the user selected
[12:54] <shadeslayer> xnox: thanx
[12:54] <Riddell> nice
[12:54] <shadeslayer> *thanks
[12:54] <xnox> shadeslayer: did that link work?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/ZnzlGUS.png
[12:54]  * xnox ponders if I just leaked my authkey
[12:55] <shadeslayer> xnox: yes
[12:55] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:55] <shadeslayer> not sure
[12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh we should add a kubuntu logo to the defaults there
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: good point
[12:55] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:55] <shadeslayer> I can just add it in the code
[12:55] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: btw. tomorrow's KDE SC 4.10.0 tagging, so stay around the next few days if you want to get a feeling on how we process that. (You'll eventually get to touch it after all)
[12:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: i wont miss it for anything
[12:56]  * xnox will just make those albums public and be done with it.
[12:58] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:15] <Riddell> BluesKaj: testers needed for Cantata
[13:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[13:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas why something like this :
[13:16] <shadeslayer> media = Phonon.MediaSource(Phonon.BackendCapabilities.availableVideoCaptureDevices()[0])
[13:16] <shadeslayer> mediaObject = Phonon.MediaObject
[13:16] <shadeslayer> mediaObject.setCurrentSource(media)
[13:16] <shadeslayer> doesn't work?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> "TypeError: MediaObject.setCurrentSource(): first argument of unbound method must have type 'MediaObject'"
[13:18] <apachelogger> use a proper progamming language maybe?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:18] <shadeslayer> I'll just use videoplayer
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Riddell, what's Cantata ?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> don't care if it also captures sound
[13:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think reporting a bug is the nice way to handle this
[13:19] <shadeslayer> report a bug where?
[13:20] <Riddell> 17:55 < vassie> hello, i've packaged cantata (kde mpd client) and uploaded it to my ppa https://launchpad.net/~vassie/+archive/ppa, i would be greatful for  some feedback, thanks
[13:20] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ^^
[13:21] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: missing () after Phonon.MediaObject
[13:23] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:23] <shadeslayer> tsimpson++
[13:24] <shadeslayer> though it's weird
[13:24] <shadeslayer> no video
[13:27] <Riddell> hi vassie
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do I have to do anything after creating a path?
[13:27] <vassie> Riddell: hello
[13:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/659066/
[13:28] <Riddell> vassie: so I think we have some options with Cantata, we can just upload it, or we can patch out that first run dialogue I find so annoying
[13:29] <vassie> Riddell: sweet, being in "users" does have its benefits
[13:29] <vassie> Riddell: if you have multiple users on your system
[13:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[13:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:30] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon/repository/revisions/master/entry/phonon/videoplayer.cpp#L60
[13:30] <Riddell> vassie: are you sure? cos I don't see the directories where that helps
[13:30] <apachelogger> phonon is free software don't you know
[13:30] <vassie> Riddell: i only have one user, plus i run MPD as myself so i don't need to add myself to "users"
[13:31] <shadeslayer> then I'm not sure what's missing
[13:31] <vassie> Riddell: if you set cantata to download album covers and lryics they will be owned by the "users" group
[13:31] <vassie> Riddell: but on my system MPD runs as "ben" and my .mpd folder is owned by "ben:ben"
[13:31] <yofel__> vassie: the "users" group doesn't exist by default in ubuntu though - and if someone wants to see the files they can just add that uses to their user group
[13:31] <shadeslayer> my webcam does turn on though
[13:32] <vassie> Riddell: so being in "users" does not apply, i just tick the "do not show" option and carry on
[13:32] <vassie> Riddell: i know, it is a weird one, plus the fact it was written on Kubuntu
[13:34] <Riddell> yofel__: it does seem to exist by default
[13:34] <yofel__> ah, then it's just not used the old way
[13:34] <vassie> Riddell: by the way, was my Quantal package OK?
[13:35] <Riddell> vassie: dunno I'm on raring, I'm hopeing BluesKaj will test it
[13:35] <vassie> yofel__: it's more an informational message, just a shame it pops up on first run, might scare some people
[13:36] <yofel__> yeah, it's a bit like that missing folder warnings that akonadi gave in the past because kdepim didn't set itself up properly
[13:36] <vassie> Riddell: i think i have the wrong email in quantal copyright <ben@unknown>, can it be changed or do i have to build it again?
[13:37] <Riddell> you'd have to build it again, but it's not very important
[13:37] <vassie> Riddell: ok, it does also have my correct email
[13:37] <Riddell> vassie: oh it needs a watch file
[13:38] <vassie> Riddell: ?
[13:38] <Riddell> a file which points at a webpage so automated programmes can look for new releases
[13:38] <vassie> Riddell: ok, how do i do that?
[13:39] <Riddell> find a package with a watch file and copy it :)
[13:40] <Riddell> man uscan   has the format
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:40] <Riddell> maybe look at owncloud (first example I happened to look in)
[13:40] <shadeslayer> it's using the Qt videowidget
[13:41] <vassie> does this mean i need to rebuild both packages?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> why am I not part of the users group , that makes no sense , I'm the only user , and user management keeps crashing so i can't add my self as a user anyway
[13:44] <Riddell> vassie: no you can just give me the final packaging and I can upload it
[13:44] <BluesKaj> guess cantata testing will ahve to wait
[13:44] <vassie> from the dev "When cantata downloads images, or lyrics, and these are saved into the MPD folders - if the user is a member of the "users" group, the files will be set to belong to this group. Therefore if you have two users, they can each save files here, etc. Likewise, when copying files from devices, the files will be set to be owned by the "users" group."
[13:45] <vassie> it makes sense, but not needed if you only have one user
[13:45] <vassie> Riddell: re: watch file, still working our what i have to do :S
[13:45] <Riddell> it makes sense I'm just not convinced it's true
[13:46] <Riddell> vassie: it's faffy yes
[13:46] <vassie> if you had two users that shared a folder that contained music, if user1 and user2 are both a member of "users", then album art, etc that is downloaded by cantata would be viewable by both
[13:46] <vassie> but like i said, not needed if you only have one user
[13:47] <vassie> its a shame the app pops up that message
[13:47] <Riddell> I'm curious why /var/lib/mpd/ is owned by the "audio" group
[13:47] <Riddell> vassie: if you think it's best to get rid of it then it's a simple patch
[13:47] <vassie> i'm not sure either, but i run mpd locally, so i don't even need those folder
[13:47] <vassie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPD
[13:48] <vassie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPD#Configuring_MPD_to_run_as_a_user_service
[13:49] <Riddell> mm, not the most user friendly bits of software
[13:49] <vassie> Riddell: mpd is fine if you run as yourself :)
[13:50] <vassie> cantata is just a front end, you don't even need mpd, i use it to control mpd on my pi
[13:51] <Riddell> it's sounding more and more like this dialogue should be patched out
[13:53] <BluesKaj> not connected to localhost , port 6600 ? what's that about , for streaming?
[13:54] <Riddell> vassie: ^^
[13:54] <vassie> BluesKaj: that is the address and port of the pc running mpd
[13:55] <vassie> BluesKaj: if mpd is already running on localhost:6600 you won't see it, or you can open the options and change the address and port
[13:56] <BluesKaj> mpd?
[13:56] <vassie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon
[14:00]  * Riddell wanders home
[14:02] <BluesKaj> vassie, which mpd-client is recommended?
[14:03] <vassie> you can use whatever client you like http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients
[14:03] <vassie> sonata is very popular but that is a gtk app
[14:04] <BluesKaj> well, I don't know what I like , what do you use ?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> vassie, I have no idea abou these mpd clientrs
[14:05] <vassie> i like cantata, but there is no deb for it
[14:07] <vassie> mpd can be installed wherever you like, for example i have it installed on my pi and my desktop, you then install any client to control it, i have canata on my laptop and desktop and mpdroid on my nexus 7
[14:07] <vassie> i can then control the what my desktop and pi plays
[14:07] <vassie> but again, you can use whatever client you like
[14:09] <BluesKaj> I won't bother since , the suggested ones seems to need regex which can't be found
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is /usr/share/pixmaps/kubuntu-logo.png all we ship?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> no bigger logo?
[14:16] <shadeslayer> because it looks a bit crap : http://i.imgur.com/xs7LlzJ.png
[14:19] <vassie> Riddell: [Notification Messages]groupWarning=false
[14:20] <vassie> Riddell: ~/.kde/share/config/cantatarc
[14:30] <Quintasan> \o
[14:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you look at maliit framework?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> hey Quintasan
[14:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: sup
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not much, designing the installers webcam page :) http://i.imgur.com/vmc62eI.png
[14:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah I think that's all we ship, feel free to add a bigger one
[14:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: um no sorry was I suppoesd to, I think that might have failed to stick in my memory
[14:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, whatever, I got Laney to take a look at it and try getting it into Debian
[14:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: That's one less, I'll be doing maliit-plugins now
[14:47] <Quintasan> plus he got tests working
[14:50] <Riddell> vassie: so add that to the package installed into /usr/share/kde4/config/
[14:50] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: ping, 10minutes till UDW. Make sure you're in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[14:51] <rick_timmis> Riddell: Hi sorry I missed you yesterday
[14:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: sure
[14:51] <vassie> Riddell: ok, i'll do it as soon as i can, don't have much free time at the moment :(
[14:51] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: the sessions will be logged though, so worst case you can read them later
[14:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: ya
[14:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: i am in the rooms
[14:55] <Riddell> howdy rick_timmis, you're wanting to get into helping kubuntu, or you do already and I've missed it?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> vassie, i nhave the canatata player linked to my media external drive /music folder , and I checked phonon sdpdif output test sounds to my amp and all is well there, but the player only shows alsa in the output section . Is the audio bypassing pulseaudio, directly to canata ?
[14:56] <rick_timmis> Riddell: Howdy JR, I am trying to find my way into helping with Kubuntu, still pretty wet behind the ears at the moment howeer.
[14:56] <Riddell> rick_timmis: yay :)
[14:57] <BluesKaj> er cantata
[14:57] <Riddell> rick_timmis: do you think you'd be into testing or packaging or coding or documenting or community support or..?
[14:58] <rick_timmis> Riddell: since xmas I have been working on my Python skills, using Quickly, and mucking about with Kdevelop. I've got most of my launchpad account setup, and have been doing a bit of testing.
[14:59] <shadeslayer> xnox: since I can't test the gtk installer, what happens when one clicks "Take a photo"
[14:59] <vassie> BluesKaj: mpd plays your music, cantata controls mpd, edit your mpd.conf file and tell it to use pulse instead of alsa
[14:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why can't you?
[14:59] <vassie> BluesKaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPD#Configuring_MPD_to_run_as_a_user_service
[14:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: a) Not enough bandwidth to download the ISO
[14:59] <shadeslayer> b) Can't test in kvm
[14:59] <Riddell> rick_timmis: plenty of coding to be done, although that's not making life easy on yourself :)
[15:00] <shadeslayer> if you know a way to test ubiquity without downloading the ISO and directly from src, please tell me :D
[15:00] <xnox> shadeslayer: the image is added on the bottom. and then you can select it.
[15:00] <xnox> shadeslayer: there is =))))
[15:00] <shadeslayer> awesome, that's what I was thinking for the qt ui as well
[15:00] <xnox> shadeslayer: $ sudo apt-get install ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-gtk
[15:00] <shadeslayer> xnox: oh, how?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> something that won't trash my existing install :P
[15:01] <xnox> shadeslayer: then you need to make the webcam page to be before starting the install by changing
[15:01] <xnox> /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-webcam.py to say
[15:01] <xnox> AFTER = 'language'
[15:01] <shadeslayer> change the AFTER line?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> k
[15:01] <xnox> WEIGHT = 13
[15:01] <xnox> and then just run
[15:01] <xnox> $ ubiquity
[15:02] <xnox> from command line, it may ask for sudo password, and please do not attempt to partition or start the installation =)
[15:02] <rick_timmis> Riddell: I'm happy to tackle anything anyone wants me to really, I've got around 10 hours a week, and I work from my home office so I'm always around. Mostly I just need driection.
[15:02] <xnox> that will either fail or trash your system =)
[15:02] <xnox> shadeslayer: and that's it.
[15:02] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:02] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:03]  * xnox has ubiquity package installed all the time. It's totally safe ;-)
[15:03] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:03] <Riddell> rick_timmis: I've a non-GUI task to write a script to download kubuntu packages and run uscan to check for new releases
[15:04] <rick_timmis> Riddell: OK, do you have a spec, and a pointer to any extra info ?
[15:06] <Riddell> rick_timmis: mm no, but the steps are get all qt rdepends, apt-get source it, run uscan to output if there are new versions
[15:06] <Riddell> and make a nice html output
[15:08] <yofel__> Riddell: isn't the ubuntuwire page enought for that?
[15:10] <rick_timmis> Riddell: Where is the output going, into a Webpage, or do you just want a HTML file. How is it to be run, on demand, on Cron, I guess I'm saying do you want a Sysadmins Bash script, or a Modular tool ?
[15:11] <Riddell> yofel__: I'm not convinced it's very complete
[15:12] <Riddell> yofel__: e.g. where is rekonq? http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[15:12] <Riddell> rick_timmis: yeah a local html file
[15:13] <yofel__> that's what I wondered too, but does the watch file for rekonq work?
[15:13] <Riddell> rick_timmis: sysadmin bash is fine
[15:13] <Riddell> jr@gallus:~/src/rekonq/rekonq-2.0⚡uscan
[15:13] <Riddell> rekonq: Newer version (2.1) available on remote site: http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/rekonq/rekonq-2.1.tar.bz2
[15:13] <yofel__> I noticed that muon is marked as having a broken watch file
[15:13] <Riddell> yofel__: yep
[15:13] <yofel__> (it's uscan doesn't support https)
[15:13] <yofel__> *its
[15:13] <yofel__> hm
[15:13] <Riddell> rick_timmis: debugging that ubuntuwire uehs page would be the other option
[15:13] <yofel__> I wonder what the page is supposed to be for then :/
[15:13] <Riddell> but I don't know where the source for that would be
[15:14] <shadeslayer> xnox: http://paste.kde.org/659150/
[15:14] <shadeslayer> xnox: that doesn't make the webcam page come up
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hm
[15:15] <xnox> shadeslayer: WEIGHT = 13, and then it will be the second page.
[15:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: E.g. click continue once and it should be webcam page, instead or regular "prepare / tickboxes" page.
[15:16] <shadeslayer> right
[15:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: also you should have a webcam =)
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ofcourse :P
[15:16] <xnox> (somewhere we check if you have a webcam or not)
[15:16] <shadeslayer> unfortunately, it says "Language, Prepare ..."
[15:16] <shadeslayer> no "webcam"
[15:17] <shadeslayer> maybe the kde installer has a static list of things to load?
[15:19] <rick_timmis> Riddell: OK, so we pass the script a package name, it checks dependancies, get sources, runs uscan, and outputs a HTML table of differences. Have I understood this correctly ?
[15:22] <Riddell> rick_timmis: apt-cache rdepends libkdecore5
[15:22] <Riddell> apt-get source all of them
[15:23] <Riddell> run uscan for each one
[15:23] <Riddell> output html table
[15:24] <rick_timmis> Riddell: What's the time frame for delivery. Don't so ASAP, becasue I'll panic!
[15:25] <Riddell> rick_timmis: whenever you can
[15:26] <rick_timmis> Riddell: OK, leave it with me, at the lastest I will shout an update to IRC on Tuesday next week, or any probs I'll shout those too.
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Could not import plugin ubi-webcam: unindent does not match any outer indentation level (ubi-webcam.py, line 83)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> what's the command to add myself to the users group , since user management is inaccessible due to constant crashes
[15:54] <BluesKaj> oh Nm, I'll find it onlibe
[15:54] <BluesKaj> online
[15:55] <sbivol> BluesKaj: sudo usermod -aG tapeoperators kaj
[15:59] <BluesKaj> sbivol, what about , sudo adduser kaj users ...no errors
[16:00] <sbivol> BluesKaj: „adduser” creates a user
[16:00] <BluesKaj> how can that be , I'm already a user
[16:01] <sbivol> BluesKaj: let's switch to offtopic
[16:07] <vassie> sudo passwd -a username users
[16:07] <vassie> sudo gpasswd -a username users
[16:08] <vassie> gpasswd, not passwd, sorry
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/OH7HBbK.png
[16:19] <BluesKaj> vassie, I used this command to add myself to the users group ,  sudo usermod -aG users kaj . I don't get  the "not in usrs group" warning anymore
[16:19] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:19] <BluesKaj> err 'not in users group"
[16:19] <shadeslayer> I get a index out of range error for some reason
[16:20] <vassie> BluesKaj: i think this might be a bug, the message comes up on my Arch VM, where the only group i'm in is "users"
[16:22] <BluesKaj> altho I still have no audio with cantata .. why do i need to configure the mpd.conf ? Which doesn't exist btw
[16:22] <BluesKaj> err ~/.mpd.conf doesn't at least
[16:24] <vassie> how have you setup mpd? globally or locally?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> my audio setup is differnt than most , i don't use analog outs to pr of pc speakers , i use spdif to an audio amp with a DAC
[16:25] <vassie> sorry, can't help with that, i'm using pulseaudio
[16:27] <vassie> not sure if this helps http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Alsa
[16:31] <BluesKaj> vassie, yes I'm using pulse as well , it works fine with , Amarok , VLC , Dragon Player
[16:32] <BluesKaj> but not with cantata, so far
[16:33] <vassie> for pulse, open your mpd.conf file, comment out the alsa section under audio_output
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you remember why you ported the installer away from KDE stuff?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> because now I get : Qt Application(15661)/phonon (KDE plugin): QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected", "Not connected to D-Bus server")
[16:33] <BluesKaj> vassie, setup mpd  globally or locally? ...I don't have a mpd.conf file
[16:33] <vassie> here is my config http://pastebin.com/0DBDU00e
[16:34] <vassie> the default mpd conf file is /etc/mpd.conf
[16:35] <BluesKaj> yes , I it would n't open without permissions , which is odd , usualy fiels will open without permissions just for read
[16:36] <vassie> i use these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPD
[16:36] <vassie> and config mpd to run as a user service
[16:43] <shadeslayer> bah
[16:44] <shadeslayer> I can't use kapplication because of dbus issues
[16:44] <shadeslayer> what a pointless waste of time this has been
[16:56] <vassie> right, i'm off, have a good evening
[16:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well that's presumably caused by it not being connected to dbus?
[17:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I had to port it away because it didn't like using dbus in the pre-login session of the live image
[17:12] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: the classes are very basic
[17:14] <yofel__> phoenix_firebrd: it is an introduction, but you have to start somehere. And dholbach is better at explaining than I am usually :P
[17:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: i disagree
[17:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__:  I have to know about the debian/rules. when do you have spare time?
[17:18] <yofel__> In 2h maybe, right now I'm still sitting at work and trying to finish something so I can finally go home...
[17:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: What about tomorrow, now i have to go to bed
[17:19] <yofel__> ping me when you have time there, tomorrow I'll be more flexible
[17:19] <yofel__> but yeah, debian/rules is a bit of a complex thema
[17:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel__: I should say, never in my life someone had patently taught me like you, thanks a lot
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> good night everyone
[18:06] <BluesKaj> now cantata won't connect to local host , even tho I'm correcting the failure in the config file at line 203
[18:08] <BluesKaj> luvly ..what a mess.
[18:08] <BluesKaj> unresponsive config file , what good is that
[18:26] <jjesse> i always screen my calls :P
[18:26] <jjesse> doh wrong channel
[19:48] <vassie> BluesKaj: evening, forgot to mention earlier, you have to log out and back in after adding yourself to the "users" groups
[20:11] <sheytan> Hey guys. I installed some updates and i got 'could not start klauncher' when i login. running 13.04 devel ;)
[20:12] <sheytan> this message comes from plasma-desktop
[20:12] <sheytan> just to let you know
[20:58] <Noskcaj> ScottK, ping, attempt 2
[21:50] <yofel_> apachelogger: what happened to your python patch?
[21:50]  * yofel_ creates a reminder to bug him daily from now on...
[21:51] <apachelogger> yofel_: http://paste.kde.org/659504/
[21:51] <apachelogger> though
[21:51] <apachelogger> wait
[21:52] <yofel_> wouldn't PY3 suffice?
[21:52]  * apachelogger thought there was something else though apaprently not
[21:52] <apachelogger> yofel_: no
[21:52] <apachelogger> because python is awesome and change that shit in 3.2
[21:52] <yofel_> ah, cool... *sigh*
[21:53] <apachelogger> also I'd try that first
[21:53] <yofel_> I'll do that now
[21:53] <apachelogger> because I really was under the impression some ref counter needed dropping or something
[21:53] <apachelogger> do I don't seem to find a diff for that
[22:24] <yofel_> do we really not need these: ?
[22:24] <yofel_> # list-missing files result:
[22:24] <yofel_> -./usr/bin/pykdeuic4-2.7
[22:24] <yofel_> -./usr/bin/pykdeuic4-3.3
[22:25] <yofel_> or do we only need the one that links to the default?
[22:47] <Noskcaj> ScottK: ping. i don't think your fix for bug 1066225 worked. you just deleted an option
[22:48] <ScottK> Noskcaj: Hmmm.  OK.
[22:48] <ScottK> Riddell improved my fix, so maybe he knows what went wrong ...
[22:56] <xnox> Noskcaj: screenshot?
[22:59] <Noskcaj> xnox: of? but anyway, i'm not at home. i can do it latert.
[23:00] <xnox> Noskcaj: missing checkbox....
[23:00] <Noskcaj> ok, i shall do that
[23:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Thoughts on what to do about the oversizeness for 12.04.2?
[23:04] <ScottK> Wait for cjwatson to fix it doesn't seem to be working.
[23:08] <yofel> apachelogger: hm, still crashing, but now I don't get the trace at all: http://paste.kde.org/659576
[23:09] <yofel> anyway, I'm off to bed, more tomorrow
[23:17] <Noskcaj> ScottK: just checking, do you know that the 12.04 daily alternate has been frozen for a month?
[23:18] <ScottK> Noskcaj: I see a new one built today at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/precise/daily/current/
[23:20] <Noskcaj> ScottK: check http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[23:22] <ScottK> Noskcaj: That's a problem with the ISO tracker, not with the actual image builds.  Please beat them up about it (in a nice CoC compliant way) on #ubuntu-testing.
[23:23] <Noskcaj> it's #ubuntu-quality, and since i haven't sgned the code, i don't have to be nice, it's just reccomended
[23:29] <apachelogger> yofel: drop_gil: GIL is not locked
[23:29] <apachelogger> that's what I meant
[23:29] <apachelogger> there is some refcount crap on threads that needs to be changed too
[23:29] <apachelogger> will try to find the change tomorrow again
[23:29] <apachelogger> no clue where that has disappeared to
[23:30] <Riddell> ScottK: any languages to be removed?
[23:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Killed all them already.
[23:31] <Riddell> bother
[23:31] <ScottK> Unless I did it wrong.
[23:31] <Riddell> language-pack-kde-de-base on there
[23:32] <ScottK> Then I did it wrong.
[23:32] <ScottK> (for the latest daily)
[23:32] <Riddell> hmm it's not in the seeds
[23:32] <ScottK> I removed the language packs from the seeds yesterday.
[23:33] <ScottK> (before the current images were built)
[23:33] <ScottK> I checked the update script in kubuntu-meta and it claimed no changes.
[23:33] <ScottK> Noskcaj: #ubuntu-release is not #ubuntu-testing.
[23:38] <Riddell> ScottK: kpat seems the likely next candidate
[23:38] <ScottK> Agreed
[23:39] <ScottK> That'll also get rid of the kdegames libs and the card set.


[18:29] <pavlushka> night night
[18:48] <inetpro> bye pav[tab]
[18:48] <inetpro> oops, too late
[19:12] <inetpro> everyone is very quiet today
[19:47] <inetpro> hi GadgeteerZA
[21:07] <inetpro[m]> ping
[21:07] <inetpro> aha
[21:07] <inetpro> inetpro[m]: now it's working
[21:08] <inetpro> psydroid: I got it working now after logging out from all my matrix accounts and then logging in again
[21:09] <psydroid> inetpro, something weird was going on here for me too
[21:10] <inetpro[m]> are you connected via matrix?
[21:10] <inetpro> psydroid: ^^
[21:11] <psydroid> yes, I am
[21:11] <inetpro> oh cool, that's good to know
[21:11] <psydroid> I need to registere my psydroid[m] nick too
[21:11] <psydroid> hopefully that will sort things out
[21:11] <psydroid> due to netsplits and the likes
[21:12] <inetpro> good idea, guess I need to do the same
[21:14] <inetpro> wb psydroid
[21:14] <inetpro> wb psydroid[m] I mean
[21:14] <psydroid[m]> ty inetpro
[21:14] <psydroid[m]> I was just using the web interface now to register this nick
[21:26] <psydroid> I think I'm all set up now
[21:37] <hibana> psydroid I keep getting "The nickname 'inetpro[m]' is already in use!"
[21:37] <hibana> how do I make sure it's logged out completely on matrix?
[21:38] <inetpro> psydroid: hibana is me and myself
[21:46] <inetpro[m]> time to get some sleep
[21:46] <inetpro[m]> /me will have to try again tomorrow
[21:46] <inetpro[m]>  * time to get some sleep
[22:02] <psydroid> inetproma, let's sort it out tomorrow


[13:19] <emgent> @now
[13:19] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: January 28 2008, 13:19:07 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 1 day


[15:44] <ahoneybun> balloons: ping
[15:45] <balloons> ahoneybun, pong
[15:46] <ahoneybun> balloons: http://usefoss.com/index.php/2015/07/19/my-first-ubuntu-hour/
[15:46] <ahoneybun> also: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6zAAODZFwQ2ZGF6aW41UE5FcDg
[15:47] <ahoneybun> mhall119: busy?
[16:00] <mhall119> ahoneybun: a bit, at OSCON
[16:00] <balloons> ahoneybun, awesome
[16:00] <balloons> the global jam libreoffice qa sounds cool.
[16:01] <ahoneybun> ')
[16:01] <ahoneybun> :)
[16:01] <ahoneybun> I have LibreOffice stickers and I know the LibreOffice QA people a bit


[00:00] <ashb> isn't there another one? 'deamonize' or something like that
[00:01]  * rgl RTFM
[00:02] <rgl> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Stanzas?highlight=(expect)|(fork)#daemon it says "expect fork" replaces daemon :|
[00:03] <ashb> check your logs then
[00:03] <ashb> and/or strace it
[00:03] <rgl> nothing in the logs :|
[00:03] <rgl> how do I strace it? you mean, strace init?
[00:03] <ashb> oh fair point that wouldn't work
[00:04] <ashb> i was thinking strace start mongrel2, but that doesn't actually spawn it dierctly
[06:27] <yaaang> anyone able to help me with this question?
[06:27] <yaaang> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2010-December/001343.html
[10:39] <jetienne> q. when i put a symlink in /etc/init, upstart doesnt seem to accept it. i need an actual file in there. is there a way to make it accept symlink ?.
[10:47] <jetienne> when a upstart doesnt start, where the output is logged ?
[11:10] <jetienne> q. is there a way to do a "initctl stopifrunning" ? initctl stop is reporting an error if not running
[11:13] <jetienne> same question for "startifnotyetstarted"
[13:54] <ViRUS> I've got some problem. It's an ubuntu system, but it seams that you guys can help me better.
[13:54] <ViRUS> When booting up the system no gettys are started and it seams upstart is not doing anything
[13:55] <ViRUS> runlevel reports "unknown" and calling initctl yields "Warning: Fake initctl called, doing nothing"
[13:56] <ViRUS> I did now execute "init 2" and the system starts the gettys and everything else. Now I'm confused why this happens. Why does it end up in an "unknown" runlevel?
[13:59] <JanC> did you change anything on your system?
[14:03] <ViRUS> no. it's a fresh ubuntu 10.10 server installation. Only thing that is special about is is the software raid. Though it is assembled correctly and for some reason even sshd is started. Without sshd I'd not even be able to look at it. So I'm glad dhcp and ssh works regardless of the weird runlevel.
[14:06] <ViRUS> and for some reason "initctl" still reports - even after setting the runlevel - that it's "Fake initctl" was called.
[14:11] <JanC> hm, tty1 etc. get started after the rc task is run with a RUNLEVEL parameter, so it seems like that doesn't/didn't happen...
[14:17] <JanC> if I understand correctly "unknown" runlevel means $RUNLEVEL & $PREVLEVEL are not set and there is no runlevel record in /var/run/utmp
[14:18] <ViRUS> I'm puzzled. I never really understood upstart and I'm kinda missing that manhole to look and debug what's going on.
[14:30] <JanC> ViRUS: the "fake initctl" might be because you start it as 'init 2' instead of 'telinit 2'
[14:33] <JanC> changing to runlevel 2 should normally happen when the rc-sysinit task runs
[14:33] <JanC> which runs when "start on filesystem and net-device-up IFACE=lo"
[14:34] <JanC> ViRUS: maybe there is something that caused one of those 2 events not to happen
[14:38] <ViRUS> hmm, is there any log? How can I check this?
[14:44] <ViRUS> it really seams rc-sysinit is never called
[14:45] <ViRUS> Is there a way to enable debugging (logging of events, etc.)
[14:48] <JanC> there is some info here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[14:52] <JanC> maybe also search https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart for known bugs...
[14:52] <ViRUS> I'm just looking at the output of —debug
[14:56] <JanC> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506 <-- might be this bug
[15:05] <ectospasm> I restarted, and my upstart jobs didn't start.  Is there a specific way to tell upstart to start these jobs?  "start on ..." doesn't seem to be enough.
[15:08] <ViRUS> ok. gtg. I think I'll just switch to Ubuntu LTS and see it that helps. Makes much sense for a server anyways
[15:39] <jetienne> q. is there a way to do a "initctl stopifrunning" ? initctl stop is reporting an error if not running ? same for "startifnotyetstarted"


[04:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected skiboot [source] (yakkety-proposed) [5.3.3-1ubuntu0.1]
[04:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: skiboot (yakkety-proposed/universe) [5.3.3-1 => 5.3.3-1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[04:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: skiboot (xenial-proposed/universe) [5.1.13-0ubuntu2 => 5.1.13-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[05:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: dh-cargo [amd64] (artful-proposed/none) [2] (no packageset)
[05:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted dh-cargo [amd64] (artful-proposed) [2]
[20:37] <slangasek> cyphermox: who is the team subscriber supposed to be for caribou (LP: #1685867)?


[03:07] <nextstep> i would ike to contribute with some ubuntu artwork ideas. where should i start?
[03:10] <nextstep> posted on ubuntuforums>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369414
[03:10] <nextstep> somebody?
[03:10] <nextstep> anybody?
[03:21] <yharrow> have you joined the mailing list?
[03:22] <nextstep> not yet. i have just completed the launchpad registration
[03:22] <nextstep> i'm kinda new to this whole thing, you know...
[03:27] <nextstep> ok, i have joined it
[03:28] <nextstep> now where should i actually submit it?
[04:12] <yharrow> you should get an email telling you where to send suggestions and stuff, Im not an expert either btw
[04:12] <yharrow> just joined :)
[04:13] <nextstep> well i just posted a mail, so i hope i've done the right stuff:)
[04:17] <yharrow> ok. I hope so too :)
[04:34] <nextstep> ok, i've done it roght...phew...
[04:34] <yharrow> yay
[04:36] <nextstep> have you got the mail?
[04:50] <yharrow> nextstep its a mailing list so no, I suppose its on the server
[04:50] <yharrow> mebbe some others got it
[04:50] <yharrow> I can go check
[04:58] <troy_s> nextstep: Your best bet is GnomeLook
[05:07] <nextstep> what do you mean?
[05:57] <nextstep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369414
[06:08] <troy_s> nextstep: I mean that sabdfl won't be considering it.  Sabdfl likes the tan, etc.
[06:08] <troy_s> I wouldn't be wasting more time, but again, that is strictly my opinion and probably not even close to reality.
[07:01] <h4writer> kwwii, I was trying to change yelp, but it wont work. The files that I understand don't have the configuration and the other (mainly .c, .cpp, .h) files I don't understand.
[07:24] <h4writer> kwwii, okey I think it might work. It is becoming clear to me, what what is
[07:25] <h4writer> got a question, in yelp-common is standing:  </xsl:text>
[07:25] <h4writer>       <xsl:value-of select="$yelp.color.gray.bg"/><xsl:text>;
[07:25] <h4writer> where is $yelp.color.gray.bg coming from?
[07:40] <troy_s> h4writer: It could be GTK
[07:41] <h4writer> do you now where I can change the value of $yelp.color.gray.bg
[07:41] <h4writer> or may I delete the line and type my colors in it?
[08:04] <h4writer> andreasn, you said you would look for the icon in help center
[08:04] <h4writer> I think that isn't needed
[08:04] <h4writer> because it is already in help center
[08:04] <h4writer> coded
[08:11] <nextstep> troy_s: if nobody would bother on wasting his time on things that weren't worthy at the moment, we wouldn't have linux now if you know what i mean
[08:22] <nextstep> anyway, i have been shocked about the whole mentality....isn't Ubuntu for human beings developed by human beings? i think users should get involved into the development, else it is just like M$ or whatever we switched from
[08:24] <BHSPitMonkey> Ubuntu for human beings is being developed by developers- NOT by human beings.
[08:27] <nextstep> right...but aren't developers human beings? anyway i was referring to the artwork here...
[08:30] <troy_s> nextstep
[08:30] <troy_s> nextstep Ubuntu is not Linux.
[08:30] <nextstep> yes?
[08:30] <troy_s> nextstep Having a bit of experience with the artwork in Ubuntu, I can tell you that it is a rather futile proposition at the moment.
[08:31] <troy_s> You are welcome to try, but that said, certain underlying issues are hindering the progress.
[08:32] <nextstep> well, i was whining about feisty, which, unlike edgy excluded the possibility of trying
[08:33] <troy_s> Yep
[08:34] <troy_s> Ultimately sabdfl's design direction is what is crippling the development of Ubuntu art and design.
[08:34] <nextstep> now that's an issue worth talking about
[08:35] <troy_s> Edgy was supposed to be the _beginning_ of  a process development, and was kaiboshed by sabdfl because, despite liking various elements along the way, he was unable / unwilling to direct the work.
[08:35] <nextstep> ubuntu's artwork should conform to the users' tastes
[08:35] <troy_s> Well that is a rather vague statement to say the least.
[08:35] <troy_s> I would suggest that Ubuntu needs a clearly outlined target audience, yes.
[08:36] <troy_s> Everyone from a six year old to a grandmother is a 'user', and you can appreciate that the broad range of 'users' within that classification will have different needs, different aesthetic tendencies, etc.
[08:37] <troy_s> Without the clear outlining of an audience, we will forever be bound to unassuming middle-grey gradients.
[08:38] <nextstep> but where isthe advance in that case?
[08:39] <troy_s> There isn't any
[08:40] <troy_s> Ultimately, the person footing the bill -- sabdfl -- is calling the shots on art and design.
[08:40] <troy_s> His opinions and experience are, at this moment, all that matter.
[08:40] <nextstep> then what is the purpose of the artwork team?
[08:40] <troy_s> There is little hope without a strong community uprising to change this.
[08:40] <troy_s> There is none.
[08:41] <troy_s> Other than to derive community driven themes and be a source of technical related information.
[08:41] <troy_s> All of the work you have seen in Ubuntu, with the exception of the LOGO in Edgy and the wallpaper in Edgy (Author unknown), have been _funded_ development.
[08:41] <troy_s> As in paid to produce
[08:42] <troy_s> It is the same this cycle as well, with Ken helming the work.
[08:43] <troy_s> And yes, it is a sad state of affairs when the buntu's are known for their wonderful distribution abilities but also infamous for their art and design direction.
[08:43] <troy_s> It is mediocre and tepid in delivery.
[08:44] <nextstep> yes, but community-driven themes are NOT the default look
[08:45] <nextstep> newbies look at the default look
[08:45] <nextstep> fedora did it...why ubuntu is not able to?
[08:45] <nextstep> fc7 is gorgeous
[08:45] <troy_s> Yes but that is produced by someone with formalized training (MFA)
[08:46] <troy_s> Ubuntu is not able to for two large reasons:
[08:46] <troy_s> 1) It is unwilling -- sabdfl directs the design and that is single handedly the weakest link.
[08:46] <troy_s> 2) Formally trained artists.
[08:47] <troy_s> When you say 'newbies' you are actually, once again, addressing a very large user group.  To be effective the design needs to more closely examine exactly who it is attempting to appeal to.
[08:47] <nextstep> i have seen on deviantart.com some works that have been...just..beatiful...90% of them aren't trained in any kind
[08:48] <troy_s> Orchestration on a higher level requires people who can think and evaluate design on a high level.
[08:48] <troy_s> Producing a singular piece of art isn't the goal here.
[08:48] <troy_s> it is a larger design pattern, and if you need further proof, have a look at Diana Fong's work.
[08:49] <troy_s> It comes from dedication and devotion to the craft and treating it as it deserves to be treated -- a serious discipline.
[08:50] <troy_s> If you look to the topic, you can see some of the considerations and like matters that need to be addressed long before you begin pushing pixels around.
[08:50] <nextstep> a larger design pattern does not match a 700MB iso file
[08:50] <troy_s> larger design pattern
[08:50] <troy_s> it has nothing to do with size.
[08:52] <nextstep> but you still need something characteristic to ubuntu, and abstraction/minimalism is the way to go, and the default wallaper does not have to be disturbing
[08:52] <troy_s> All just opinions.
[08:52] <nextstep> that's why all major OSses have minimalistic/abstract walls
[08:52] <troy_s> You are mistaken.
[08:53] <troy_s> If you look to Apple's lauded design, you will quickly see that it is evocative and communicative.
[08:53] <nextstep> but not disturbing
[08:53] <troy_s> As is the multi-million dollar Vista.  Both projects headed by very disciplined and trained individuals.
[08:53] <troy_s> "disturbing" is nothing but a relative term
[08:53] <nextstep> and years of research
[08:53] <troy_s> "One man's meat is another man's poison"
[08:54] <troy_s> The bottom line, you will be hard pressed to find a single member of the Apple design team without formal education credentials.
[08:54] <troy_s> There is a reason for that.
[08:55] <nextstep> yes, but we have to work with what we have
[08:55] <nextstep> i believe that beautiful work depends on talent, bot training
[08:55] <nextstep> art is about talent
[08:56] <troy_s> Then you are ignorant of about 2000 years of art history.
[08:56] <troy_s> Look at the most lauded artists in the past
[08:56] <troy_s> Rembrandt, Da Vinci, etc.
[08:56] <troy_s> All of them were not only formally trained but began their own schools with apprentices.
[08:57] <troy_s> Composition, perspective, colour theory, to name a few -- are all skills that must be learned and studied like carpentry.
[08:59] <nextstep> those can and must be studied but do not necessitate school/university/whatever
[08:59] <troy_s> Also, all of those traits are culturally biased.
[09:00] <troy_s> The generality is that if someone is willing to study for four or five years they will _probably_ have a fundamental discipline and belief in the craft.
[09:00] <msikma> Although I generally agree, I would find that more enticing if the graphic design graduates around here were more capable. I frequently see graduates that don't seem to have skills that would get them hired at a self-respecting graphic design company (except for internship, which admittedly is also a prerequisite).
[09:01] <troy_s> msikma: Education isn't the end.
[09:01] <troy_s> msikma: It is the beginning.
[09:01] <troy_s> rather like learning the fundamental toolset and being aware of the issues at hand.
[09:01] <troy_s> Once you have completed your education, you begin to learn the application.
[09:01] <troy_s> Dziga Vertov once said "Anyone who cares for their art seeks the essence of their own technique."  That can take a lifetime to work towards.
[09:02] <nextstep> right
[09:02] <msikma> But on one hand, you've got people who didn't go to an academy and are making excellent work after some time, and on the other hand there are people who did go to an academy and still seem to have problems making aesthetically sound designs, even after all those years. It seems that while education is very important, it's really the hard and constant labor that shapes the artist in the end.
[09:03] <msikma> Although a fundamental toolset, I do think you can reach high places without those years of formal training.
[09:03] <msikma> Just not as often as design graduates.
[09:04] <nextstep> yep, take http://deviantart for example...there are some users sitting all day in front of the computers having no special training and creating beautiful pieces of art
[09:04] <msikma> There's some great stuff on DeviantART. Although 99% of it is garb.
[09:05] <nextstep> but the 1% worths it
[09:05] <nextstep> in conclusion education is very important but not always necessary
[09:05] <msikma> The 1% that makes excelling artwork probably does go to an academy, or plans to.
[09:05] <msikma> Maybe people are just lazy.
[09:06] <nextstep> and if it only plans to it means that it is not YET educated
[09:06] <nextstep> most of them are....includeing me:D
[09:06] <msikma> Well, the thing is that even if you make excellent art, that doesn't mean it's commercially viable art.
[09:07] <msikma> I've seen some stuff on there that's very nice, but in the end not really something that I'd put in a professional portfolio.
[09:07] <msikma> They're "donuts".
[09:07] <nextstep> huh
[09:07] <msikma> Anyway, no bad words about DeviantART.
[09:07] <msikma> It's a nice site
[09:08] <troy_s> Good luck on that.
[09:08] <nextstep> what do you mean?
[09:14] <msikma> troy_s: I was looking at some specs I'm registered to, and I see that there's still a "Ubuntu title font" spec.
[09:15] <msikma> What are your thoughts on that? I personally am against changing the Ubuntu title font further except to clean up the UBUNTU letters. I think that any other use of that font besides the official logo is misuse.
[09:18] <troy_s> msikma: I think as a full typeface, it has loads of room to go.  Fundamentally though, I agree with your opinion that even the more minor splines need to be cleaned up.
[09:18] <troy_s> msikma: And yes, I 100% agree that anything beyond spelling Ubuntu with it is a horrible mistake of aesthetics.
[09:21] <msikma> "Ubuntu" is not exactly a name that you'd need to "translate".
[09:22] <msikma> E.g. "bnt" in Finnish or whichever
[09:22] <troy_s> msikma: It is still a god awful font ;)
[09:22] <troy_s> It works for the title, but that is about where it ends.
[09:22] <msikma> Yeah, it just wasn't designed for anything else
[09:24] <troy_s> agree
[09:25] <troy_s> just look at all the buttons and loco teams that use it -- it is not terribly well balanced nor spaced etc.
[09:26] <msikma> Do you think that anyone would be interested in a redesigned website?
[09:27] <msikma> I still think that the website gives a completely wrong impression of what Ubuntu is (and seems to want to be).
[09:28] <troy_s> msikma:  You know what, if it were my call, I would _certainly_ open up the creative floodgates on that.
[09:28] <troy_s> I agree... I think in terms of underlying communication, people 'come' to Ubuntu with an implied 'knowledge' -- based on the term and the tone etc.
[09:28] <troy_s> And yes, it fundamentally clashes with what shuttlebot desires it to be, which is unfortunate.
[09:29] <troy_s> I think a portion of Ubuntu's draw as an alternative is this very human/earthy/organic connotation.  It might be prudent to see where that evolves to.  That said, it will never happen.  ;)
[09:30] <troy_s> I think if you redesigned the website though, you would end up having to liase with shuttlebot on it, and in the end, you might find that your intentions might get completely warped upon getting to the destination.  If you are willing to give that a go, then try it.
[09:30] <msikma> Maybe I should mail him first
[09:31] <msikma> Ask him what _he_ thinks Ubuntu is (actually, maybe he doesn't want to explain that to every random stranger)
[09:31] <msikma> I think I have a pretty good idea of it anyway
[09:31] <troy_s> msikma: He has zero clue and certainly can't communicate it.
[09:32] <troy_s> msikma:  Believe me when I say that I have tried on even the most kindergarten level to get SOME concept of what his 'perception' is.  Ultimately, I don't believe he has one.
[09:32] <troy_s> And I have been tasked with attempting to get design direction out of a few people to build upon.
[09:32] <troy_s> He is simply a completely different beast.
[09:33] <troy_s> I can find redeeming qualities in most anyone's aesthetic choices and generally 'see' what they are trying to do.  shuttlebot, however, completely eludes me.
[09:34] <troy_s> But good luck to you if you try.  :)
[09:50] <msikma> The thing is, if I would try it, it would certainly look very different from what there is now, both aesthetically and navigationally.
[09:50] <msikma> I think that just the change alone would make people squeal.
[09:53] <troy_s> msikma: Again... low percentage investment however.
[09:54] <troy_s> msikma: Perhaps we should consider developing a working site to host community related work on?
[09:54] <troy_s> provide information, etc.
[09:55] <msikma> I think that while a separate community site is the best idea, it's primarily the official Ubuntu site itself that should rely on solid design. Community sites can "get away" with having slightly awkward designs. But they seem to consistently have at least decent designs, most of the time
[09:56] <troy_s> msikma: What I am loosely saying is that if we focus on not worrying about mainstream
[09:56] <troy_s> msikma: We can assure ourselves success on a certain level.
[09:57] <troy_s> msikma: When the reality is that 6 cycles on, Ubuntu has zero hope of providing the elements we desire.
[09:58] <msikma> hmmm
[09:59] <troy_s> msikma: Much like everything else in FOSS, ultimately, if we don't step up, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
[10:01] <troy_s> I believe there is enough skill in the community to achieve the results, but it will take execution to demonstrate it.
[10:01] <troy_s> That will require collaboration and cooperation.
[10:01] <troy_s> Even with a smaller core of people, it is likely we could generate enough work to gain a certain 'critical mass'
[10:14] <h4writer> kwwii, are you there?
[10:23] <nysosym> hi there :)
[10:23] <troy_s> FRANK
[10:23] <troy_s> fschoep!
[10:23] <nysosym> hi fschoep!!! :)
[10:23] <troy_s> ltns my friend.
[10:23] <fschoep> Hi
[10:23] <fschoep> It's been two months, figured I'd join in to chat a bit
[10:23] <troy_s> how have you been frankie?
[10:24] <nysosym> fschoep: how are u? :)
[10:24] <fschoep> well, doing fine mostly
[10:24] <fschoep> past few months were a little difficult
[10:24] <fschoep> Apparently I had mono (Pfeiffer?)
[10:24] <fschoep> so I was tired as hell and that's probably been going on for a few months
[10:25] <fschoep> I'm still recovering, but these weeks I'm feeling better and better, hopefully back at 100% in a week or two
[10:25] <fschoep> how are you lot?
[10:26] <nysosym> wow fschoep, get well soon! ;)
[10:26] <fschoep> thanks :)
[10:26] <nysosym> i'm fine so far :)
[10:26] <fschoep> great
[10:26] <fschoep> troy_s: are you around?
[10:26] <troy_s> yeah
[10:26] <troy_s> mono sucks
[10:27] <troy_s> fschoep: ?
[10:27] <fschoep> yes
[10:27] <fschoep> ?
[11:59] <h4writer> kwwii, are you there


[02:58] <yotux> I install squirelnmail and there is not link in /var/www
[02:58] <yotux> how can I fix this?
[05:37] <Level15> hey
[05:38] <Level15> my 606 LTS is holding back a kernel update... any particular reason?
[05:44] <ScottK> try dist-upgrade.  It'll probably pull in a new kernel package.
[05:45] <Level15> will do
[01:45] <kraut> moin
[03:02] <ConfidentiaL> how can I make for example lampp start automatically on boot?
[03:19] <nealmcb> ConfidentiaL: it should do that after a normal install - what have you done and what seems to go wrong?
[03:20] <ConfidentiaL> well, I installed lampp after I installed ubuntu, and I have to manually start it every time I need to reboot...
[03:21] <nealmcb> lampp has lots of parts - what seems to not be running and how do you start it?
[03:21] <nealmcb> ConfidentiaL: Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[03:22] <nealmcb> how did you install it, what version, what error messages, etc....
[03:26] <ConfidentiaL> installed it from apachefriends.org version 1.6.3. No error messages, I just need to manually start it every time...
[03:53] <nealmcb> ConfidentiaL: you'll get much better operation, support and security if you use the ubuntu packages rather than installing a binary from a site like apachefriends.org.
[03:54] <nealmcb> !lamp | ConfidentiaL
[03:54] <ubotu> ConfidentiaL: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[03:56] <ConfidentiaL> thanks
[03:56] <nealmcb> if you install it the normal way on ubuntu, it will start up just fine
[03:57] <nealmcb> I never heard of apachefriends.org before and their advice looks pretty bad....


[04:56] <stlsaint> hello?
[04:56] <mohi1> stlsaint: text sending failed :P
[04:57] <stlsaint> mohi1: hello?
[04:57]  * mohi1 sees no text in the IRC client
[04:58] <mohi1> sup stlsaint? Python?
[04:58] <stlsaint> mohi1: i have one  more post on forums to make 1k :D
[04:58] <mohi1> :o
[04:59] <mohi1> 1 K!!! O_O
[04:59] <nhandler> Congrats stlsaint !
[05:00] <stlsaint> nhandler: i should have hit it way sooner had not work got in the way :D
[05:01] <stlsaint> i still see people like ajgreeny and wojx and bodhi and phelps on there with like over 2k alone :D
[05:02] <mohi1> stlsaint: you contributed a lot and it doesn't depend on count. Its you working whole heartedly
[05:02] <stlsaint> mohi1: yea i know, its just nice to see numbers like that on there :D
[05:03] <stlsaint> shows strong support from the community
[05:03] <mohi1> =]
[05:03] <stlsaint> think i make my 1k post in my fav section---- Server Platforms =D W00T!!!!
[05:03] <stlsaint> brb
[05:03] <mohi1> ok
[05:27] <stlsaint> mohi1: ping
[05:27] <mohi1> stlsaint: pong
[06:51] <Darkness_Des> Forsooth! Another short question!
[06:52] <Darkness_Des> Is it possible to get the netbook launcher on the regular desktop edition?
[06:53] <stlsaint> what ide does the netbook use?
[06:53] <Darkness_Des> Very good question.
[06:53] <stlsaint> s/ide/de
[06:53] <Darkness_Des> Wai- Wha?
[06:53] <Darkness_Des> I don't have an actual physical netbook....
[06:53] <ddecator> desktop environment
[06:53] <stlsaint> desktop environment
[06:53] <Darkness_Des> I'll look that up, hold on.
[06:53] <ddecator> i'm not sure there is a good way. there might be for unity through a ppa..
[06:54] <stlsaint> Darkness_Des: i second ddecator im not sure its viable to get a single entity out of another os!
[06:54] <ddecator> you can install the netbook edition on a desktop though (afaik)
[06:55] <Darkness_Des> Would it be around the same lines as installing KDE or XFCE? I've done both before successfully.
[06:55] <Darkness_Des> WAIT!
[06:55] <Darkness_Des> IDEA!
[06:55] <Darkness_Des> Hold on...
[06:55] <Darkness_Des> Thanks for the alternate thought train there.
[06:56] <Darkness_Des> I can install it through aptitude the same way that I do with KDE on some systems.
[06:56] <Darkness_Des> Thank you very much!
[06:56] <ddecator> ...that works?
[06:56] <ddecator> what's the package?
[06:56] <Darkness_Des> "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-netbook"
[06:56] <Darkness_Des> That, in theory, should work.
[06:56] <ddecator> ...huh
[06:56] <ddecator> well, good luck :)
[06:57] <Darkness_Des> Thank you!
[06:57] <Darkness_Des> Well, I'm going to test this out.
[06:57] <Darkness_Des> Cya.
[07:02] <Darkness_Des> FYI, It works perfectly.
[07:02] <Darkness_Des> Even got the themes that I worked so hard to perfect.
[07:03] <Darkness_Des> This launcher is pure genius.
[07:04] <ddecator> that was quick..
[07:27] <Ex-Opesa> Indeed.
[09:30] <tdn> I use Ubuntun 10.04 LTS with encrypted home dirs. I had to do some maintenance including swapping of two users' UIDs and GIDs. So I did a deluser on the users and a delgroup on the groups. Then I created the users and groups again with the corrects UIDs/GIDs. Then I chowned all the users' files under /home/$USER and /home/.ecryptfs/$USER. Then I reset password with passwd $USER. But now the users cannot log in, thus cannot decrypt their files.
[10:37] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:37] <philinux> o/
[10:37] <pedro3005> morning duanedesign
[10:49] <duanedesign> tdn:
[10:49] <duanedesign> oops
[10:49] <Puck`> morning duanedesign
[10:49] <duanedesign> since a few people have shown up i was going to re ask
[10:50] <duanedesign> tdns question
[10:50] <duanedesign> hey Puck`
[10:51] <duanedesign> I use Ubuntun 10.04 LTS with encrypted home dirs. I had to do some maintenance including swapping of two users' UIDs and GIDs. So I did a  deluser on the users and a delgroup on the groups. Then I created the   users and groups again with the corrects UIDs/GIDs. Then I chowned all  the users' files under /home/$USER and /home/.ecryptfs/$USER. Then I   reset password with passwd $USER. But now the users cannot log in, thus  cannot
[10:51] <duanedesign> gotta make some coffee, brb
[10:51] <Puck`> auch
[15:15] <Silver_Fox_> Hello to you all
[15:15] <philinux> o/ few logged in but i think mia
[15:17] <Puck`> hi there Silver_Fox_ (:
[15:17] <Silver_Fox_> Hello philinux ,  keeping well?  I am inclined to agree.  Idling is common.
[15:17] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Puck` , on the air today ? :)
[15:18] <philinux> Cheers yes
[15:18] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: not today (: Working on a new backup system for a radio with richer features
[15:18] <Puck`> doing tests as we speak
[15:19] <Silver_Fox_> Fantastic.
[15:19] <Puck`> any new features on your google maps hack? (:
[15:20] <Silver_Fox_> Not at current,  I am trying to batch process images for the existing features
[15:20] <Silver_Fox_> I like to finish one thing off before moving onto another
[15:20] <Puck`> oh
[15:27] <Silver_Fox_> What features are you working on Puck`  ?
[15:27] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: crossfading, easier scripting, I'm using liquidsoap, a pretty strong software
[15:57] <duanedesign> trying to use a script to make screencasts. The script uses ffmpeg. I receive an error "Unknown input format: 'x11grab' "   http://paste.ubuntu.com/460239/
[15:57] <duanedesign> even using the example in the man page " ffmpeg -f x11grab -s cif -i :0.0 ~/screencasts/out.mpg" I get the error Unknown input format: 'x11grab'
[16:29] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: do you know if it is available as a format option? and have you seen this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=801174
[16:29] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: ffmpeg -formats |grep x11 here gives D  x11grab         X11grab
[16:47] <dairyman87> hi, im new to ubuntu, im having a bit of a problem. i want to install a plugin for rhythmbox player that remove duplicate songs in the music library. but i have to extract it into the plugins folder. does anyone know how to navigate to the rhythmbox folder or any other program file folder just so i know in the future
[16:50] <dairyman87> lol anyone?
[16:50] <Puck`> dairyman87: welcome to Ubuntu (: Just open up your home folder and press ALT+H and you'll see the hidden folders, you can then go to .rhythmbox i believe that's where the plugins folder is
[16:54] <dairyman87> hey puck, i tried that. it shows .mozilla, .openoffice, .amsn, and couple of other programs but .rhythmbox isnt there. any ideas on where it could be?
[16:54] <dairyman87> maybe i should be looking in another directory?
[16:54] <Puck`> dairyman87: try in .config
[16:54] <Puck`> or .gnome2, i'm not sure of the folder
[16:55]  * zkriesse will attempt to find it
[16:55] <Puck`> i'm not ubuntu now, so i can't find it :\
[16:55] <hobgoblin> hang on - I'll look
[16:56] <dairyman87> i found it!
[16:56] <dairyman87> it was in.gconf
[16:56] <hobgoblin> dairyman87: go to .gconf/apps/rhythmbox/
[16:56] <zkriesse> USER DAYS IN THREE DAYS!!! WOO!!!
[16:56] <hobgoblin> and?
[16:57] <zkriesse> it'll be awesome!
[16:57]  * zkriesse is giving a session hobgoblin
[16:57] <hobgoblin> on what?
[16:57] <dairyman87> lol thanks!! now all i have to do is extract the duplicates plugin folder into it, and i think i shud be okay
[16:57] <dairyman87> thanks a lot ppl!
[16:57] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Basic Ubuntu Installation & Setup
[16:58] <hobgoblin> good one
[16:58] <hobgoblin> have fun
[16:58]  * zkriesse will
[16:58] <dairyman87> well actually now that im here, does anyone know any plugins or programs that remove duplicate entries of songs
[16:58] <dairyman87> ?
[16:58] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: it's at 10:00:00 UTC
[16:58] <zkriesse> dairyman87: http://live.gnome.org/RhythmboxPlugins/ThirdParty
[16:59] <zkriesse> dairyman87: and http://live.gnome.org/RhythmboxPlugins/
[16:59] <dairyman87> thanks a lot zkriesse
[16:59] <dairyman87> appreciate it ppl this is awesome
[16:59] <zkriesse> dairyman87: no prob
[17:00] <zkriesse> dairyman87: Don't forget to stop by and let us know how it goes!!!!!
[17:00] <dairyman87> i will!
[17:08] <dairyman87> i feel like a noob
[17:08] <dairyman87> a ubuntu noob
[17:08] <zkriesse> it'll pass
[17:08] <hobgoblin> dairyman87: I feel the same - I've been using it for years
[17:09] <dairyman87> i did something that probably is simple to fix. i uhh.. removed my network connections bar thingy from the panel by mistake and now i have no idea how to add it back
[17:09] <dairyman87> lol
[17:09] <zkriesse> dairyman87: There will always be the feeling of not knowing it all....that's why ubuntu is so great to me..there's always more to learn
[17:09] <hobgoblin> dairyman87: right click panel - add to panel - notification area
[17:09] <philinux> Right click add to panel choose Indicator Applet
[17:09] <dairyman87> yeah i like that! its a cool feeling
[17:10] <hobgoblin> or the one philinux said - be good to know which one actually works at the moment
[17:10] <dairyman87> great that was simple
[17:10] <dairyman87> thanks hobgoblin
[17:10] <hobgoblin> which was it ? notification or indicator applet?
[17:11] <philinux> Mine as envolope and volume just checked
[17:11]  * hobgoblin will be glad when all the mucking about with the panle is finished
[17:11] <dairyman87> it was notification
[17:11] <hobgoblin> ty
[17:11] <philinux> piskie your was right
[17:11] <hobgoblin> woohoo
[17:15] <philinux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/585940
[17:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website-content "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 42) (heat: 218)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:15] <philinux> Hey i got some attention by chatting to website team
[17:18] <dairyman87> hey ppl i extracted the duplicates source into the plugins folder and restarted rhythmbox, but the duplicates are still there. am i doing something wrong? am i supposed to restart my computer or something?
[17:27] <hobgoblin> dairyman87: I've never used the plugin as I have no duplicates ...
[17:29] <hobgoblin> not even sure tbh if that actually works/does as it is supposed
[17:29] <hobgoblin> dairyman87: did you activate the plugin in the rhythmbox prefs ?
[17:29] <dairyman87> it doesnt even show in the plugins list
[17:30] <dairyman87> which is the annoying thing
[17:30] <dairyman87> i checked the rhythmbox folder to make sure the duplicate source folder is there, and it is
[17:31] <dairyman87> but for some strange reason it doesnt show in the plugins
[17:31] <hobgoblin> I'll have a go then
[17:32] <philinux> dairyman87: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1078839&page=4
[17:32] <dairyman87> yeah thats where i downloaded it from
[17:32] <philinux> It gives instruction further down to get it goung
[17:33] <philinux> going, finger fat finger trouble
[17:35] <dairyman87> lol its all good, i can only use index finger on my right hand to type with
[17:35] <philinux> " -create ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/plugins/
[17:36] <philinux> Thats where it should go
[17:36] <philinux> post #70
[17:37] <dairyman87> yeah thats where i put the folder
[17:37] <dairyman87> i didnt need to create a new plugins folder coz one already existed
[17:37] <philinux> So it's extracted ok in plugins
[17:37] <dairyman87> i just extracted it to that location
[17:37] <dairyman87> yup
[17:37] <philinux> :( no idea then
[17:38] <dairyman87> its ok, ill figure something out
[17:38] <dairyman87> maybe i haveto restart my pc
[17:38] <philinux> Maybe log out then in
[17:39] <dairyman87> yeah ill try that
[17:39] <dairyman87> brb
[17:40] <hobgoblin> shows from gnome2 - without a logout
[17:44] <dairyman87> didnt work
[17:44] <dairyman87> ahhh well i guess ill forget about it
[17:45] <hobgoblin> I have it in mine
[17:45] <dairyman87> i actually wanted that duplicates plugin coz i have like 3 entries for each song
[17:45] <dairyman87> and i want to sync my iphone
[17:45] <hobgoblin> are you sure you put it in gnome2/rhythmbox/plugins
[17:46] <dairyman87> well rhythmbox wasnt in gnome2
[17:46] <dairyman87> it was in .gconf
[17:46] <dairyman87> and in the rhythmbox folder i found plugins
[17:46] <dairyman87> and thats where i extracted duplicates source to
[17:46] <hobgoblin> I know - you have to make the folder in gnome2 hence the create line philinux gave ^^
[17:47] <dairyman87> oh crap
[17:47] <dairyman87> uhhh that was dumb.. i guess ill try that
[17:48] <hobgoblin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9330449&postcount=70 - one long command to do it all
[17:49] <dairyman87> okay let me try this
[18:45] <stlsaint> team viewer now avail for linux (beta)
[18:49] <zkriesse> hello switchgirl
[18:50] <switchgirl> o.0
[18:50] <switchgirl> my nick changed
[18:51] <stlsaint> switchgirl is darknemesis?
[18:52] <zkriesse> oh shit!
[18:52] <zkriesse> NOOOOOO!!!!!
[20:14] <zkriesse> hello James147_
[20:14] <James147_> zkriesse: hey
[20:50] <zkriesse> hello James147 and bladernr
[20:50] <bladernr> zkriesse:  howdy
[21:30] <jbthomson> Hi, looking for a bit of help with a dedicated remote server running Ubuntu 10.04. Have a second hard drive installed (yesterday) for backups, extra storage, etc, and I'm looking to list the files contained on the drive. How do I do it?
[21:33] <holstein> i would just mount it somewhere and look at it
[21:34] <holstein> did you add it to /etc/fstab ?
[21:34] <jbthomson> ok, the mount command is something I have been trying and I don't really understand it. Could you talk me through it?
[21:35] <jbthomson> and no, it was installed by the hosting company, so I'm not sure what changes they make viafstab
[21:35] <holstein> OH
[21:35] <holstein> i would look into that
[21:35] <holstein> what exactly you need to do
[21:35] <holstein> based on the hosting comapies set-up
[21:35] <holstein> bacially
[21:35] <holstein> basically*
[21:35] <holstein> you just mount the drive to a dir
[21:36] <holstein> i have one on my audio recording machine
[21:36] <jbthomson> a dir on the main drive?
[21:36] <holstein> a seperate HD that i track to
[21:36] <holstein> and i just created a dir
[21:36] <holstein> /home/name/audio
[21:36] <holstein> or something like that
[21:37] <holstein> and i use fstabe to have the HD mounted to that dir at boot
[21:37] <holstein> but you dont have to do it that way
[21:38] <jbthomson> ok...not really sure I understand how that works. I create a directory on hda1 and that becomes the mount point for sda1, then I edit fstab to auto mount sda1 to that directory at boot?
[21:39] <holstein> basically
[21:39] <jbthomson> ok
[21:39] <holstein> you can mount to any dir
[21:39] <holstein> if you add to fstab
[21:39] <holstein> it will just happen
[21:39] <holstein> and when you go to that dir
[21:39] <holstein> as far as you know, its a local dir
[21:40] <holstein> local, like on your main HD
[21:40] <jbthomson> ok that sounds pretty cool, and just what I am looking for.
[21:40] <holstein> you can mount network shares like that too though AFAIK
[21:41] <jbthomson> I think I understand what I need to do, I will try and maybe come back if I get stuck. Thanks for the help and clarification holstein.
[21:41] <holstein> sure
[21:53] <jbthomson> @holstein thanks again for your help, was actually easier than I realised. All sorted now the way I want it.
[21:54] <holstein> jbthomson: cool
[22:11] <vu1kan> I'm having a bit of trouble getting a ppa to resolve properly.  I added it using <sudo add-apt-repository ppa:loell/ppa>, but the keyserver times out. Now that did add the line to my software sources, but when i <apt-get update>, it gives 404 Not Found. is this a serverside issue, or something i'm doing?
[22:14] <vu1kan> (btw, the rest of my repos resolve correctly, just not the ppa)
[22:14] <phillw> vu1kan: the ubuntu key server gets over loaded, you can re-add the key by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Key%20Servers
[22:19] <vu1kan> phillw: thx, that got the key to resolve, now i need to get the ppa itself to resolve...maybe i should just download the .deb manually?
[22:22] <phillw> vu1kan: if you remove the ppa from your sources list, then re-add it, it should be all happy and smiling as it now has the key.
[22:26] <vu1kan> phillw: woot! thx, worked like a charm, +2 karma for phil!
[22:28]  * phillw -1 for  not telling you to delete and re-add the ppa :p
[22:37] <bobo123> ohh.. irc channel with karma points! a must have!
[22:52] <robot_> PLEAASE HELP =D, this might be stupid, but somehow I got my mouse into "drag" mode (perhaps this mode has a different name?), when i click on windows I cannot select text or click on buttons, I can only drag the entire window, when I hold the "ctrl" button it makes the mouse behave normally... how do I get out of this mode (restarting ubuntu does not help)
[22:53] <pedro3005> robot_, is the ALT button pressed?
[22:53] <robot_> nothing is pressed...
[22:54] <robot_> its just stuck in this mode for whatever reason
[22:55] <robot_> though holding down alt, seems to restore the normal mouse mode too
[22:55] <pedro3005> weird
[22:56] <robot_> perhaps something in the setting it causing either alt or ctrl to be locked?
[22:56] <robot_> is there something I can do to reset the keyboard?
[23:07] <geirha> robot_: Could be the keyboard's just faulty
[23:08] <robot_> it worked until I pressed some keys on the keyboard, on the left side
[23:08] <robot_> I was trying to copy something, and pressed shift+ctrl at the sametime I think
[23:08] <robot_> I think some combination of keys forced the the mouse to get stuck in the mode
[23:09] <robot_> maybe it forced the alt or ctrl key to get locked?
[23:11] <robot_> =( I dont want to reinstall ubuntu just to fix this
[23:11] <robot_> is this some kind of reset of all settings I can force ubuntu to go under?
[23:31] <geirha> robot_: If possible, see if you can reproduce it with a different keyboard.
[23:34] <robot_> I have another ubuntu installation, but I dont want to risk getting that one stuck in the same mode
[23:37] <robot_> I guess I'll try restart the computer
[23:37] <robot_> again
[23:40] <robot_> geirha, when I go into guest mode the problem disappears
[23:40] <robot_> perhaps I can reset my user setting to default?


[00:50] <nigelb> pleia2: wfm
[00:51] <nigelb> (sorry, I had headed to bed by then)
[00:52] <pleia2> thanks :)