[01:08] <popey> http://ubuntu.audioca.st/  - new..
[05:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[05:50] <mattt> morning czajkowski
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> Voting day here today.
[05:52] <mattt> glad to see i'm not the only one who has to get up at such a miserable hour
[05:52] <mattt> even tho MartijnVdS you're +1 :)
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> 7:52 ;)
[05:52] <mattt> who are you voting for?
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> dunno yet
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> ~21 parties to choose from
[05:53] <mattt> woah :-/
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> some are obvious "joke" parties, and some I'd never vote for
[05:53] <mattt> that makes it rather difficult
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> but there are 3-4 parties I like
[05:54] <mattt> what is of concern there the most?  economy?
[05:55] <MartijnVdS> Economy/budget, "Europe" (I'm for it, most politicians against)
[05:58] <mattt> ok, same old then :)
[05:58] <mattt> anyway, gotta jet, ttyl!
[05:58]  * mattt is on the road
[05:58] <shauno> it's not that early; it's almost light out!
[06:27] <livingdaylight> GM
[06:28] <sahad> hi am having some problem while installing any new softwares or pakages in my ubuntu 12.04
[06:28] <sahad> can any one help me in that
[06:28] <MartijnVdS> sahad: can you describe the problem you're having?
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> sahad: or copy the error message :)
[06:29] <sahad> give me a minut
[06:30] <sahad> The package system is broken  Check if you are using third party repositories. If so disable them, since they are a common source of problems. Furthermore run the following command in a Terminal: apt-get install -f
[06:30] <sahad> this is the error message am getting
[06:30] <sahad> when i trie to update
[06:30] <MartijnVdS> sahad: which program do you use? the software centre?
[06:30] <sahad> yes
[06:30] <MartijnVdS> sahad: did you install packages from somewhere else than software centre?
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> (earlier)
[06:31] <sahad> yea i terid once
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> which package was that?
[06:31] <sahad> it was a language pack
[06:31] <sahad> malayalam
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> and how did you try to install that?
[06:32] <sahad> using erminal window
[06:32] <MartijnVdS> using 'apt-get install language-pack-something' or 'dpkg -i'?
[06:32] <sahad> i will copy paste the way i did
[06:33] <sahad> cd Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-ml
[06:33] <sahad> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[06:33] <sahad> these two commands i did
[06:33] <christel> morning lovelies
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ok.. so you installed the 8.04 language pack on 12.04, I see how that would break :)
[06:34] <sahad> am sorry am not that advanced user
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> sahad: if you could open a terminal, and type "apt-get -s -f install", then put the output on pastebin (see topic)
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> sahad: no problem, we'll fix this easily
[06:34] <sahad> k let me try that
[06:34] <sahad> thanks
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> sahad: the "-s" means "don't actually do anything", it'll show what it would do if you did "apt-get -f install"
[06:35] <sahad> here is what am getting
[06:35] <sahad> sahad@sahad-IdeaPad:~$ apt-get -s -f install NOTE: This is only a simulation!       apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.       Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,       so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation! Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed:   l
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> sahad: please use the pastebin :
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin
[06:37] <sahad> one minut
[06:37] <sahad>  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34  	  sahad@sahad-IdeaPad:~$ apt-get -s -f install NOTE: This is only a simulation!       apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.       Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,       so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation! Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading sta
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> sahad: that's not the URL to pastebin..
[06:39] <popey> morning
[06:39] <sahad> then?
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> sahad: please give us the link from the browser's URL bar, which looks like "http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200043/"
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> (but with a different number
[06:39] <sahad> yeah i got it
[06:39] <popey> timo managed to get 1200000 :)
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: woo :)
[06:40] <sahad> and i pasted the txt in that
[06:40] <sahad> and clicked on paste
[06:40] <sahad> and am getting a new window with the and one option to download as text
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> sahad: yes, and at the top in the white bar, where you type the URL it shows what you should paste to us, but don't worry I've found it.
[06:41] <sahad> only one option is there
[06:41] <sahad> its to download as text
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> No in your browser's URL bar
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> even higher :)
[06:41] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200042/
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> sahad: can you put the output of this on pastebin: ls -l Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-ml/*.deb
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> sahad: Thank you!
[06:43] <sahad> k i will do that
[06:45] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200046/ here it is
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> *opens link*
[06:47] <sahad> ??
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> sahad: I asked for "ls -l" not "dpkg -i"
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> sahad: you can do this:
[06:47] <sahad> k let me  try once more
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> sahad: no I have enough info
[06:49] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200049/
[06:49] <sahad>  now?
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> sahad: dpkg --remove ttf-malayalam-fonts scim-modules-table scim-ml-phonetic scim-m17n:i386 scim-init ml-xkbpatch ml-ubuntu ml-phonetic-mozhi m17n-db libm17n-0:i386 libgd2-xpm:i386 libotf0:i386
[06:50] <sahad> am sorry i am not a advanced user so some dificulties in understanding
[06:50] <sahad> how i am suppose to use thease commands?
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> sahad: in a terminal
[06:50] <sahad> all togather?
[06:51] <MartijnVdS> sahad: it's one line
[06:51] <sahad> kk
[06:51] <MartijnVdS> so dpkg --remove etc. etc.
[06:52] <sahad> but it saysrequesed operation requires super user privilages
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ah, put 'sudo' in front
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> sudo dpkg --remove etc. etc.
[06:52] <sahad> kk
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> After this, you can re-install Malaysian support through "System Settings" -> "Language support"
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> "System Settings" is in the menu (top right, click the 'Gear' icon)
[06:54] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200061/
[06:54] <sahad> ths is what i got
[06:54] <sahad> some error
[06:54] <sahad> check tht link
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ok.. can you do 'sudo apt-get -s -f install' again, and paste the output?
[06:55] <sahad> k
[06:55] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200063/ here it is
[06:56] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ok, no try without -s
[06:57] <sahad> sudo-get -f install?
[06:57] <MartijnVdS> sudo apt-get -f install
[06:59] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200069/ here it is
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> sahad: you're on 12.04, right?
[07:00] <sahad> yeah
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> sahad: can you paste the output of 'uname -a'?
[07:01] <sahad> sure
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: packages.ubuntu.com = down
[07:02] <popey> thanks
[07:02] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200070/
[07:02]  * popey pokes IS
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> sahad: apt-get -f install libgd2-xpm
[07:03] <sahad> with sudo?
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> yes, sorry
[07:04] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200072/
[07:05] <MartijnVdS> sahad: apt-get -f install libgd2-xpm libjpeg62
[07:06] <MartijnVdS> The 'dpkg -i' broke a lot of things :(
[07:06] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200076/
[07:07] <sahad> so what to do now?
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> sahad: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgd2/libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> sahad: then sudo dpkg -i libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> then "sudo apt-get -f install" again
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> what does that do?
[07:16] <knightwork> morning everyone :)
[07:19] <pinky-> good morning knightwork and all the other luvley people
[07:20] <knightwork> hello pinky :) how are you today
[07:20] <pinky-> I'm just fine, how's you?
[07:23] <pinky-> I've not long woken up and listened to http://ubun2.me/ whilst having breakfast and it's put me in a good mood
[07:24] <pinky-> new ubuntu.audiocast
[07:24] <pinky-> not serious but fun
[07:27] <knightwork> an audiocast ?
[07:27] <knightwork> so no RSS ? And not downloadable ?
[07:27] <popey> :)
[07:27]  * knightwork things thats just odd
[07:27] <knightwork> hey popey
[07:28] <popey> also they make a point that they don't use the term "podcast" because someone found it offensive, yet delivering the show via flash is fine
[07:29] <pinky-> I shall from now on always remember "audio.cast"
[07:30] <pinky-> umm .audiocast
[07:30] <popey> not audioca.st ?
[07:30] <pinky-> hehe
[07:30] <pinky-> oh early here.. ah the title i get it now
[07:30] <popey> ahh, 08:30 and my laptop goes bonkers.. that'll be the backup
[07:32] <pinky-> yup from now on I shall always use the term in irc as audioca.st - ty for inspiration
[07:40] <knightwork> "podcast" = Offensive ?
[07:40] <knightwork> So we have to pussy-foot our way around the RFM lovers now too ?
[07:40] <knightwork> RMS lovers i mean
[07:43] <daubers> Jabber \o/
[07:43] <AlanBell> here is what virtual RMS thinks of my laptop http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200100/
[07:44]  * daubers fires up the Quantel VM
[07:44] <popey> :)
[07:44] <popey> is their show knightwork, they can call it what they like :)
[07:45] <daubers> Oooh... is all the canonical stuff now moving to python 3? Just seen python3-update-manager in my updates list
[07:46] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[07:46] <knightwork> hey czajkowski  !
[07:46] <knightwork> doing fine
[07:46] <knightwork> howzyou ?
[07:46] <czajkowski> glad to hear it
[07:46] <czajkowski> not bad in the office woring away
[07:46]  * AlanBell gives czajkowski a k
[07:47] <knightwork> I'll probably go out shopping for an ultrabook tomorrow
[07:47] <knightwork> want an 11 inch that runs nicely and doesnt break the bank
[07:48] <knightwork> funny thing : All the PC models I found are more expensive then the apple macbook air.
[07:48] <knightwork> But me wants an 11 inch to run Ubuntu on
[07:57]  * czajkowski hasa 13'' ultrabook
[07:58] <knightwork> I just sold my (old) macbook air (it was a 13 inch)
[07:58] <knightwork> i would like to have an 11 inch
[07:58] <knightwork> i looked at the asus zenbook , but you can't get your hands on it in Belgium .. and it has an nvidea card ... so i'm kinda scared running ubuntu on it
[08:01] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[08:01] <MattJ> I'm getting so slow :/
[08:03] <knightwork> czajkowski: what ultrabook do you have ?
[08:05] <jussi> ive heard the zenbook is kind plasticy and not great build quality
[08:05] <czajkowski> toshiba z830
[08:06] <knightwork> jussi: realy ? interesting
[08:06] <knightwork> czajkowski: saw that one yesterday in the shop . Purdy Cewl
[08:06] <czajkowski> yarp
[08:06] <czajkowski> Sheldon rocks!
[08:06] <jussi> czajkowski: that actually looks pretty nice
[08:06] <knightwork> So .. the only alternative I have is to buy a mac , wipe the drive and put ubuntu on it.
[08:06] <czajkowski> which Laney has done
[08:06] <czajkowski> and runs well it seems
[08:06] <JamesTait> Happy middle-of-the-week, everyone! :-D
[08:07] <jussi> only an i3 though :/ can you get more ?
[08:07]  * jussi hides from JamesTait - stop being so positive, its only wednesday
[08:07] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <jussi> :P
[08:07] <JamesTait> And a cold Wednesday at that.
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! It's Wednesday
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Happy Birthday JamesTait
[08:08] <daubers> Wednesday is Hackspace day \o/
[08:09] <JamesTait> Why thank you, TheOpenSourcerer. :)
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> I remember in Stockholm the locals used to go out and have a bit of session on Wednesday evenings - they called it the "Little Weekend" IIRC.
[08:10] <JamesTait> And there was me thinking I'd erased all evidence of that fact from the public record.
[08:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer is out with some old mates tonight for beer and an "All you can eat Chinese" :-D
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> JamesTait: Facebook is your enemy - I got an email reminding me a few days ago.
[08:11] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: I guessed that'd be it.
[08:11] <JamesTait> Good job I trust you.
[08:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:16] <czajkowski> gord: where are you.........
[08:17] <czajkowski> oh just seen him arrive
[08:17] <czajkowski> minus cake!
[08:17] <czajkowski> for shame!
[08:26] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Double cake next time then?
[08:31]  * czajkowski sends gord to the cake shop
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> pie ok too?
[08:46] <popey> PIE!
[08:46] <brobostigon> :)
[08:52] <hoover> Morning all
[09:13] <oimon> morning chaps. i have a document that states an industry standard % for incremental changes for backups in the enterprise, can't find any source for this - anyone know of one?
[09:40] <hoover> Hi folks
[09:41] <hoover> I exchanged my ancient nv gt8800 with a gt520 yesterday, since then I've had a couple of spurious reboots in 12.04.1... any idea why?
[09:41] <hoover> nv driver version is 37xsomething
[09:42] <hoover> I don't think it's power consumption, I guess the gt8800 would draw a lot more power than the 520.
[09:42] <Oli> Is the card sat in well?
[09:43] <Oli> And can you double-check the version of the driver. 37something doesn't exist.
[09:47] <czajkowski> aquarius: and crash goes gwibber on 12.10 :(
[09:47] <aquarius> czajkowski, heh. Ping kenvandine when he's up...
[09:48] <czajkowski> yeah
[09:48] <czajkowski> me and gwibner never see eye to eye :/
[09:48] <czajkowski> aquarius: the U1 post yesterday seems to have gone done well yesterday
[09:49] <aquarius> yeah, the web music store is cool
[09:53] <diplo> I'm debating doing something on it
[09:54] <czajkowski> aquarius: so on gwibber you flick to each colum no way to see them all on one page or am I missing something
[09:54] <czajkowski> I get all tweets on one page
[09:54] <czajkowski> hit arrow and over to direct message
[09:54] <czajkowski> then all @me
[09:54] <aquarius> I think you can add a column
[09:54] <aquarius> HUD > column might have something :)
[09:55] <czajkowski> look em and the the HUD do not get one
[09:55] <czajkowski> which reminds me
[09:55] <czajkowski> gord: is in throwing object distance of me
[09:56] <czajkowski> anyone on 12.10 can cofirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1049495  or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1049501
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:12] <oimon> removing gwibber and gwibber-service is one of the first things i do on a fresh install
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: +1
[10:13] <davmor2> -1
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> I use Hotot - very nice (and lightweight) compared to Gwibberish
[10:13] <oimon> i used to, then i realised i don't use twitter much
[10:14] <oimon> i don't use a client anymore
[10:14] <oimon> i just check twitter on my phone while i'm waiting for the tube
[10:14] <oimon> standing at the only bit you can get a signal
[10:15] <hoover> oli: yep, card is set in and fastened with a screw
[10:16] <hoover> Oli: Driver version is "ubuntu current" ;-) let me check
[10:16] <hoover> nvidia 295.40, sorry for the mixup
[10:20] <popey> czajkowski, you sure bug 1049495 is a gdm issue?
[10:20] <popey> we dont ship gdm by default
[10:23] <Oli> hoover: Nothing's jumping out at me. I agree it's probably not power-related and the driver *should* be fine as far as I know.
[10:25] <Oli> You could upgrade it to 304.43 with the x-swat ppa but there are no guarantees that's any better.
[10:29] <czajkowski> davmor2: is your envelope thingy gone
[10:29] <czajkowski> popey: aye I knot tis not default.
[10:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: no my indicator-messages is still in place
[10:30] <davmor2> popey: I'm assuming those bugs are related to the new gnome ubuntu cd
[10:30] <popey> i care not then
[10:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: hmm mine is gone
[10:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: check it is installed
[10:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: or better still sudo apt-get purge indicator-messages && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop indicator-messages and see if it was an upgrade issue
[10:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: other than that pick on gord not his fault I just like to see him squirm
[10:35] <oimon> i've been using 304.43 without issue (different card though)
[10:36] <czajkowski> ahh
[10:36] <davmor2> popey: mc-launcher top app for last month
[10:41] <directhex> gwibber was nice once, then it just got heavier and heavier
[10:41] <hoover> Oli: yep I'll do some more testing, the machine apparently survived the night (12h uptime)
[10:44] <davmor2> directhex: I found the version in 12.10 to be a lot more responsive I think it has been on a diet with the port process maybe
[10:45] <cliftonts> Hi everyone
[10:46] <davmor2> cliftonts: hello
[10:46] <cliftonts> I've found an odd quirk with 12.10, thought I'd pop on and see if anyone else had it etc
[10:47] <cliftonts> I've got an old laptop with a broadcom card in it. The card needs to be manually enabled with terminal commands before it works because of the driver issues.
[10:47] <cliftonts> But this time when I did so it didn't appear to work. There was nothing in the networks list at all.
[10:48] <cliftonts> I added the network I was connecting to into the network list using the edit screen and it connected up straight away, the networks all showed up and it's worked fine ever since
[10:49] <cliftonts> I just thought it's odd, since rebooting after installing the drivers usually leaves you with a fully working system and I can see how people may be confused by this new behavious
[10:49] <cliftonts> *behaviour
[10:55] <cliftonts> Thanks guys, that really helps!
[10:58] <czajkowski> cliftonts: or be patient
[10:58] <czajkowski> people could in fact be working :)
[10:58] <cliftonts> Really? I find that to be a very bad habit. Try to avoid it if I can!
[10:59] <cliftonts> I was expecting some sort of response, even something off topic
[10:59] <BigRedS> generally, if your expecting network manager to do the right thing you're probably going to be surprised
[11:00] <cliftonts> I was assuming that not everybody on here is going to be at work
[11:00] <cliftonts> And that not everybody on here is working in IT
[11:04] <cliftonts> System program problem detected - Do you want to report the problem now?
[11:04] <cliftonts> That feature is a great idea but it gets old VERY quickly when the machine is in a bad mood!
[11:04] <davmor2> popey: on quantal do you know how the new addition drivers thing is meant to work?  ie when installing in virtualbox jockey used to say to install the additional drivers for vbox but the new addition drivers lists nothing
[11:04] <popey> virtualbox driver is broken in 12.10 iirc
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: ah that might explain it then
[11:05] <popey> needs updating for next x i think
[11:05] <popey> feel free to poke people!
[11:06] <cliftonts> popey: Any chance you could take a quick read of my issue above and tell me if this is a known issue or just my pc?
[11:06]  * davmor2 pokes christel and czajkowski cause popey told me to....../me wonders off nonchalantly whistling
[11:08] <popey> cliftonts, you shouldn't have to manually edit to add a network
[11:08] <popey> it should find them
[11:08] <davmor2> cliftonts: have you had a look to see if there is a bug for it, if not that might be a good place to start, if you don't see one then it might be your machine but you should still file a bug, but the broadcom driver is a binary blob so there is nothing we can do about it
[11:08] <popey> sometimes broadcom chips are slow to scan though, so they don't show up immediately
[11:09] <cliftonts> popey: It does find them but it refused to until I added the first one manually
[11:09] <popey> maybe it would have done if you waited longer :)
[11:09] <popey> or it could be a bug
[11:09] <cliftonts> And bare in mind I'm used to doing that procedure and I've never believed it to have gone wrong before
[11:09] <popey> but that's not intended behaviour
[11:09] <davmor2> cliftonts: once you installed the driver did you reboot?
[11:10] <cliftonts> Perhaps I should re-install and really sit back and watch it
[11:10] <cliftonts> yes davmor2
[11:12] <cliftonts> I'm trying to navigate launchpad but I've used it so infrequently I'm a bit lost! lol
[11:14] <cliftonts> Nope, I've got no idea how to just look at bugs for 12.10
[11:17] <davmor2> cliftonts: just use google and "ubuntu bugs launchpad broadcom"  and then sift through the results
[11:18] <cliftonts> I'll have a browse later I think. I should really get back to work. I'll re-install the system and try it again, this time leaving it for an extra long time before giving up on it
[11:19] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/broadcom-sta
[11:22] <cliftonts> Bye then
[11:23] <czajkowski> you're welcome cliftonts
[11:26] <cliftonts> Thanks, I'll let you know if it's a bug or me just going mad!
[12:03] <BigRedS> popey: what was it your thinkpad forward/back buttons were doing wrong? Mine appear to behave as they should everywhere
[12:04] <popey> triggering hud
[12:04] <popey> in 12.04
[12:04] <popey> will try in 12.10
[12:05] <BigRedS> Ah! I didn't try it in 12.04
[12:05] <popey> they do nothing in 12.10
[12:06] <BigRedS> it doesn't seem to in 12.10 but I've already changed the HUD shortcut to something daft so I don't mis-invoke it
[12:08] <popey> you wouldn't notice it then
[12:08] <popey> the keys do ALT+Left and ALT+Right
[12:08] <BigRedS> Ahh
[12:09] <BigRedS> I suspected as much.
[12:10] <BigRedS> if I put the HUD key back to alt, the back/forward keys still work
[12:31] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:32] <hoover> hey biggie
[12:32] <bigcalm> o.
[12:32] <bigcalm> o/
[12:37] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[12:40] <bigcalm> Nighty night
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.3af
[12:43] <popey> :D
[12:44] <czajkowski> popey: ROFLOL @ pic
[12:45] <popey> I feel a bit silly.
[12:46] <czajkowski> I've seen people do that at times
[12:51] <oimon> anyone looked at firefox mobile OS?
[12:51] <oimon> what sort of kernel does it run?
[12:51] <bigcalm> popey: seen my Dad do that and damage his laptop. On my own, I regularly try to plug USB into the RJ45 socket
[12:52] <ali1234> oimon: an android kernel
[12:52] <oimon> ali1234, thanks. even the UI looks like android
[12:52] <oimon> well, 1.6 android
[12:52] <ali1234> pretty much yes. but it is html5 and can be run inside desktop mozilla
[12:53] <popey> ditto bigcalm
[12:53] <oimon> popey, you get some odd trolls on your g+ posts
[12:53] <popey> I do?
[12:53] <popey> the ones about the netbook?
[12:53] <oimon> looking at the asus post
[12:53] <oimon> yeah
[12:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: How do chap
[12:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: rought. Woke myself and Hayley up with a coughing fit around 4am last night
[12:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: :( not good, is it a dry tickly cough?
[12:56] <czajkowski> oimon: lotta trolls out there :/
[12:56] <oimon> although a certain fabian is the worst of the lot!
[12:57] <czajkowski> he's blocked :)
[12:57] <czajkowski> at least on my feed
[12:57] <oimon> see his comments on popey's steam g+ update
[12:57] <oimon> trolltastic
[12:58] <czajkowski> nope I dont see them as I have him blocked
[12:58] <ali1234> oh come on now. popey is trolling us on G+ every day anyway
[12:58] <oimon> oh, g+ also blocks their comments? cool
[12:58] <popey> lol
[13:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: no, is a phlegmy cough
[13:02] <oimon> robert kryten llewellyn is complaining on his feed that he is bombarded with "use ubuntu" comments every time he has a tech question
[13:04] <oimon> i think its because of the comments on https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RobertLlewellyn/posts/75dKwLUyYHV
[13:04] <oimon> shows that he has a high number of opensource followers :)
[13:05] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlHeZO7ZzEg&feature=youtube_gdata
[13:06] <ali1234> is this perhaps the most pointless thing ever?
[13:07] <ali1234> love how he can't find the @ on the OSK
[13:07] <mgdm> ali1234: not far off
[13:07] <oimon> ali1234, what a waste of electricity
[13:09] <oimon> i'll never understand the fact that coke are one of the biggest companies on the planet
[13:09] <BigRedS> well, it's not like keyboard layouts are standardised...
[13:09] <oimon> have they stumbled upon a universally enjoyed drink? or are people just doing what they are told? or monopoly?
[13:25] <dwatkins> popey: I was looking for an ancient page about running a secondary X server, and found an entry on commandlinefu.com which cites the Ubuntu UK podcast as a related site :)
[13:26] <shauno> oh gosh, I used to have that working.  :0 on nvidia dualhead and :1 on the composite tvout.
[13:26] <BigRedS> oimon: it's hard to argue that there's a monopoly going on
[13:26] <BigRedS> I'd blame marketing largely
[13:27] <popey> dwatkins, they link to us on every page :D
[13:27] <dwatkins> popey: haha ok
[13:28] <dwatkins> shauno: yeah, I remember reading about someone who had :0 for himself, and :1 for his kids to play games on; we were discussing in the office having a honeypot X server for someone who might come along and try to mess with your machine if it's not locked
[13:28] <popey> we frequently run multiple x servers
[13:28] <popey> thats what happens when you switch user
[13:29] <dwatkins> OpenSuSE had a neat mechanism of creating an X session for each remote user
[13:29] <dwatkins> I think it was via VNC
[13:31] <oimon> xdmcp used to be the way to do it
[13:31] <oimon> e.g. http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.2/Installation_Guide/s2-trouble-remotex.html
[13:31] <dwatkins> is that where you run the server and connect remotely to an X client running your actual apps?
[13:31] <dwatkins> ah yes, -query
[13:32] <dwatkins> first unix machine I used was a dumb X terminal :D
[13:32] <AlanBell> yeah, sad that it is so broken these days
[13:32] <dwatkins> I assumed there were simply more efficient ways to remotely display now
[13:32] <oimon> on solaris i used to do it quite a bit
[13:32] <oimon> i use freenx nowadays
[13:33] <oimon> but it's slightly different, but cool in that you can resume/suspend sessions
[13:33] <dwatkins> we used to boot the X Terminals off a separate system when the local server was down, you had to know the hexadecimal equivalent of the remote machine's IP address, but it allowed you to get work done when the rest of the room was unable to function :)
[13:33] <oimon> and highly efficient bandwidth
[13:33] <dwatkins> yeah, NX seems to be the fastest for what I use it for, over my ADSL connection
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> ssh -X
[13:33] <oimon> dwatkins, i used to used NCD dumb diskless soplaris terminals
[13:33] <oimon> they rocked
[13:34] <oimon> they ran an X display on the terminal
[13:34] <dwatkins> oimon: I think the ones I used were NCD also, great big sreens and the shared machine was a Solaris box
[13:34] <oimon> on 10mb ethernet
[13:34] <dwatkins> *screens
[13:34] <oimon> i used them on a trading floor in a bank
[13:35] <oimon> what's this excess flood ^^
[13:35] <dwatkins> http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/gallery/photos/xterminal - 2nd image on here (note: high resolution)
[13:35] <oimon> ah. good old days. they could fall on the floor and be OK
[13:35] <oimon> unlike my pc yesterday which fell over and i lost all data
[13:36] <dwatkins> I had all my applications set to start at login with specific places on the display
[13:36] <oimon> yep :D
[13:36] <dwatkins> we compiled fvwm so we could use it instead of whatever the default was
[13:36] <oimon> and if the X display crashed the titlebar disappeared, just like compiz :D
[13:37] <oimon> default was openwindows which was awesome
[13:37] <oimon> fvwm is based off it
[13:37] <oimon> over 10yr ago now
[13:37] <oimon> the 90s was fun
[13:38] <dwatkins> ah yes, I rel fvwm[2]
[13:38] <dwatkins> oops, I meant to write that I really liked it
[13:38]  * mgdm used fvwm2 in Uni
[13:38] <dwatkins> little did I know I'd end up supporting 4Dwm for a living ;)
[13:38] <mgdm> the machines had KDE of some sort on, too, but they were too slow
[13:39] <dwatkins> I still run xplanet to this day, as many of the fvwm screenshots use
[13:39] <dwatkins> http://www.catb.org/~esr/fvwm2/bluesteel.png
[13:39] <dwatkins> whatever happened to the image viewer 'xv'?
[13:41] <dwatkins> oh wait, that's xearth - old skool ;)
[13:41] <dwatkins> ah, wikipedia tells all
[13:44] <oimon> xv -root allowed you to set wallpaper :)
[13:46] <oimon> linux seemed so different to the strict world of soalris
[13:46] <oimon> when i first came across it in 1999
[13:47] <oimon> ah, aug 1998
[13:49] <andrews> Hey all - would anyone be able to tell me, roughly, how to connect my brand new installation of 11.04 (latest didnt work very well) laptop to my works windows 2003 server network (I know my unser names, the domain name etc I just dont know how to 'get there')
[13:50] <BigRedS> what do you mean by 'connect'?
[13:50] <BigRedS> filesharing? AD? printers?
[13:51] <AlanBell> in nautilus go to file-connect to server, change from public FTP to windows share and fill in the details
[13:51] <oimon> andrews, do you mean login to the pc using your AD credentials?
[13:53] <andrews> Not sure BigReds - Ive no idea, I usually connect to the network with a windows based user name and password, which gets me the shared drives and my outlook emails etc.  I just want to be able to do whatever is nearest to that on this ubuntu laptop - which I have got connected via ethernet cable to our works network ports
[13:53] <andrews> Our IT guys love the look of ubuntu and are keen to see it working (one is stood over my shoulder at present) though they know nothing about it
[13:56] <diplo> ~Anyone play with Samba much ?
[13:57] <diplo> @ 10.04 stage or maybe earlier there was software that let you auth
[13:57] <oimon> andrews, you can do some quite tight integration, but in the least you should be able to open the file manager and click connect to server, choose windows share and enter your user/domain/password/server
[13:57]  * diplo googles
[13:57] <oimon> likewise
[13:57] <AlanBell> andrews: getting stuff to talk to exchange can be non-trivial
[13:57] <oimon> centrify
[13:57]  * popey wants http://www.lifespanfitness.com/treadmill-desk/tr1200-dt-treadmill-desk.html one of them
[13:57] <diplo> oimon: has it
[13:58] <oimon> argh i just realised that my nslu2 which was graphing my current cost energy monitor usage got turned off 2 months ago
[14:01] <oimon> linux mint failed to install on my desktop the other day..i thought they nicked a lot of ubuntu stuff..obviously not enough. not even the / partition was bootable so it would never boot. i gave up when it that still didn't work after fixing that
[14:02] <oimon> usually the only linux i struggle with installing is opensuse
[14:06] <oimon> quite fun to plot the temperature in my house over the year http://ubuntuone.com/1dJiVA76MAFOnwFWfYoxDj
[14:08] <arsen> anyone any idea why vnc is generating loads of .pid and .log files ? when i connect to it..
[14:13] <diplo> oimon: You guys use samba at all ?
[14:14] <oimon> used to a lot over the last 10 yrs
[14:14] <oimon> got a problem?
[14:14] <diplo> l-elecbase nmbd[3709]: [2012/09/12 15:26:33, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(173)
[14:14] <diplo> Sep 12 15:26:33 asl-elecbase nmbd[3709]:   Error - should be sent to WINS server
[14:14] <diplo> Got lot's of servers getting filled with that
[14:15] <diplo> It's all coming from a customer site that we are permanently VPN'd into
[14:15] <diplo> I can't find a good result as to why it's publishing from the customers site to lot's of our dev servers
[14:16] <diplo> I'd understand if it was between 2 machines both running wins or pushing it both ways, but we are only receiving those requests to our servers
[14:16] <oimon> does broadcast traffic travel across the vpn?
[14:16] <diplo> yeah
[14:16] <oimon> intentionally?
[14:16] <diplo> If I could have better google foo I could find a better solution
[14:17] <diplo> Nope, well I haven't really checked the setup if I am honest
[14:17] <oimon> http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2010-March/154217.html
[14:17] <oimon> ?
[14:17] <diplo> Idevelop mainly, but I'm finding it hard to debug as most of our /var/log/messages are getting filled with this
[14:17] <oimon> "Ensure that your XP system knows where to find the WINS server"
[14:19] <diplo> yeah, I read that one, so could be the clients aren't set up correctly at the customer sites, what I don't understand is why non wins servers are getting the data to there messages file ?
[14:20] <diplo> Not sure if we still require a wins server either
[14:20] <oimon> prob not since dns will resolve things for you. there's an order that windows machines try to resolve in
[14:20] <diplo> Use of WINS (either Samba WINS or MS Windows NT Server WINS) is highly recommended
[14:21] <diplo> from Samba doc, but it doesn't explain very well why it is 'highly recommended' :)
[14:21] <bigcalm> I do wish that "YouTube personal digests" didn't kill Thunderbird :(
[14:21] <oimon> diplo, it appears always on samba machines?
[14:22] <diplo> It's off by default according to samba manual i read earlier
[14:22] <diplo> So someone has turned it on I'm guessing.
[14:23] <diplo> Going to turn it off and restart samba, see if that improves things
[14:23] <oimon> testparm will dump your samba server settings
[14:24] <diplo> Hmm, well that made 0 difference
[14:24] <oimon> did you restart nmbd?
[14:25] <oimon> or just smbd
[14:25] <diplo> yeah, restarting smb restarts both
[14:27] <czajkowski> popey: got any pope relations in Cork ?
[14:30] <oimon> is black mesas based off HL1 or 2?
[14:37] <oimon> looks fun. warning contains some sweary words http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=muzAyaTNQeE#!
[14:39] <adam_> hi
[14:47] <adam_> hi
[14:59] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ping
[15:07] <BigRedS> czajkowski: pong!
[15:07] <BigRedS> I've not sent anything yet :( Been horrendously busy...
[15:08] <BigRedS> HUD is waaaay less annoying in 12.10 than 12.04 though
[15:09] <popey> czajkowski, no idea
[15:10] <czajkowski> popey: https://twitter.com/popecork  he started to follow today
[15:47] <xnox> BigRedS: well.... compiz is less enthusiastic at stealing Alt+<Key> key presses....
[16:07] <oimon> does anyone know how to do a reverse image search in google?
[16:08] <oimon> wow http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en
[16:08] <oimon> cool
[16:08] <AlanBell> tineye is what you want for reverse image search
[16:11] <AlanBell> then again you can drag and drop images onto google image search and it does it
[16:21] <oimon> i dragged a picture of my dog and it killed my machine :(
[16:21] <oimon> i remeber when linux was rock solid
[16:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: Linux still is - Unity isn't ;-)
[16:21] <oimon> i'm on cinnamon
[16:21] <oimon> the problem was chrome though
[16:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha
[16:27]  * SuperEngineer admires oimon's diagnostic skills
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:36] <diplo> Any email server peeps/dovecot people here ?
[17:37] <diplo> Wondering why my server isn't connecting to sql
[17:37] <diplo> auth-worker(default): mysql: Connected to <IP_ADDRESS> (mail)
[17:37] <diplo> Should display that, but it's not... can't see any errors
[17:37] <mattt> mysql down?  :P
[17:37] <diplo> If only it were that easy :/
[17:38] <diplo> dovecot starts, but not showing it, try telneting to localhost pop3 and it's not displaying either
[17:38]  * diplo wonders whether to do a fresh install on VPS and start again
[17:40] <diplo> ooh may have found something in logs
[17:40] <mattt> whatcha got?
[17:40] <diplo> dovecot: pop3-login: Fatal: Can't load ssl_cert: There is no valid PEM certificate. (You probably forgot '<' from ssl_cert=</etc/ssl/certs/dovecot.pem)
[17:42] <diplo> Hmm still didn't make a difference :/
[17:48] <mattt> diplo: may need to crank up some debugging
[17:49]  * diplo still going
[17:50] <diplo> dovecot-mysql missing I'm hoping ( these guides suck! )
[17:50] <jacobw> http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze
[17:51] <diplo> I followed that first, the one I'm using worked fine for 10.04, but seems to have been a fair few changes for 12.04
[17:52] <diplo> rah \o/
[17:52] <diplo> One part fixed
[17:52] <diplo> Still doesn't say it's connected to sql but...
[17:52] <diplo> +OK Dovecot ready.
[17:52] <diplo> \o/
[17:52] <diplo> Break for 5 mins I think
[17:52] <diplo> At least
[17:52] <diplo> ooer At least Im learning*
[17:52] <ali1234> has anyone ever done this genealogy stuff?
[17:53] <jacobw> i have dovecot working with mysql on 10.04
[17:53] <ali1234> i'm looking at gramps and it looks ok but a bit like 1990s shareware
[17:53] <diplo> jacobw: yeah i did as well
[17:54] <davmor2> ali1234: and that is the updated version
[17:54] <ali1234> i want something that works like web 2.0
[17:54] <diplo> upgraded now, and some configs etc have hanged and a few guides not changed some of that
[17:54] <ali1234> like you tag people in photos etc
[17:54] <ali1234> drag a box around them
[17:54] <ali1234> like facebook for genealogy
[17:54] <ali1234> but not some "cloud" thing
[17:56] <ali1234> like maybe i could set up a diaspora server and make an account for all the people
[17:56] <davmor2> ali1234: gramps is the only one to use on linux everything else sucks, there are a load of web based ones but they are fairly expensive iirc
[17:56] <ali1234> or maybe there is a mediawiki plugin or something, that adds these features to it?
[17:57] <ali1234> basically i just want a wikipage for each person's bio, with autogenerated skeleton pages with relationships auto filled, and photo tagging with auto galleries
[17:57] <davmor2> ali1234: you can add photo's to a person in your tree in gramps as I understand it,  Big Ron would be the person to talk to really about it though but he is rarely on irc nowadays
[17:58] <ali1234> yes you can
[17:58] <ali1234> but you can't do it by "tagging" them like you do on facebook or G+
[17:58] <ali1234> you add the image to the person rather than adding the person (people) to the image
[17:58] <ali1234> so imagine a group shot
[17:58] <ali1234> you have to add that to each person in the image
[17:59] <ali1234> and then there is no record of who is who
[17:59] <ali1234> i have a lot of photos with like 20 people in them
[17:59] <davmor2> ali1234: crap outta luck then dude I think they all work pretty much the same way
[17:59] <ali1234> there's actually an open feature request for this in gramps
[18:00] <ali1234> maybe i can program an add-on
[18:00] <ali1234> to merge a web gallery type thing, and have it pull the list of names available for tagging from gramps
[18:00] <ali1234> it is python, so should be quite easy
[18:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: so I just found out that nvidia implemented BaseMosaic and soft limited it to 3 monitors
[18:01] <Azelphur> I gave a couple of nvidia employees a verbal beating over it \o/
[18:01] <ali1234> i have no idea what that means
[18:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: proper multi monitor support across multiple cards, what I've been waiting for for years.
[18:01] <mgdm> You're good at your 'verbal beating' thing of late
[18:02] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:02] <Azelphur> mgdm: I gave someone else a verbal beating recently?
[18:02] <mgdm> someone from eBay, someone from Amazon...?
[18:03] <ali1234> 3 monitors is better
[18:03] <ali1234> they only support 2 on most old cards
[18:04] <Azelphur> mgdm: haha, good point :P
[18:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, but 295 was bugged and the limit was removed, 304 works
[18:05] <Azelphur> so it seems like they've literally just imposed an arbitrary limit to force people to buy newer hardware
[18:05] <ali1234> time to patch it then
[18:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: or just finally bite the bullet and buy the displayport gear and drop my 6990 in
[18:18] <Azelphur> :p
[18:19] <diplo> woot, received email \o/
[18:20] <diplo> Think I need to write this up :(
[19:20] <czajkowski> anyone know why if you have your earphones plugged into the laptop and then shut down and  next time you power up mnus headphones sound is muted...
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> because bug?
[20:22] <mattt> MartijnVdS: did you vote?
[20:32] <czajkowski> popey: pay back can you do the EUR symbol here
[20:32] <czajkowski> I need to copy n paste
[20:33] <popey> €
[20:33] <popey> alt gr + 4
[20:33] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:33] <brobostigon> good evening bigcalm :)
[20:34] <bigcalm> o/
[20:34] <brobostigon> o/
[20:36] <davmor2> bigcalm how you doing now
[20:36] <bigcalm> So so davmor2
[20:36] <davmor2> :-(
[20:36] <bigcalm> Grumpy that I'm off to London tomorrow afternoon
[20:36] <czajkowski> popey: cheers
[20:37] <popey> \o/ London
[20:37] <bigcalm> -_-
[20:37] <mattt> bigcalm: sorry to hear that :(
[20:37] <mattt> i went to shoreditch on sunday, was crazy
[20:37] <mattt> couldn't wait to get out
[20:38] <bigcalm> Attending a Symfony conference on Friday
[20:38] <mattt> well, at least that should be fun :)
[20:39] <christel> aw but you love london
[20:39] <davmor2> bigcalm down to london again what did it do to endure you assaulting it
[20:39] <bigcalm> 08:00 - Registration & breakfast
[20:39] <bigcalm> I hear that there will be bacon and egg rolls for breakfast
[20:39] <mgdm> anyone here going to OSHcamp at the weekend?
[20:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: I didn't make enough people ill. Attempting to inflict more damage this time
[20:40] <christel> :o
[20:40] <bigcalm> I'd better be 100% healthy for the end of next week though
[20:40] <christel> mgdm: it is too north!
[20:41] <bigcalm> mgdm: never heard of it, wassat?
[20:41] <bigcalm> mgdm: in any case, not me. I'll be attending wedding fairs...
[20:42] <christel> bigcalm: open source hardware camp petal
[20:42] <bigcalm> christel: I see :)
[20:42] <christel> i am so tired
[20:42] <bigcalm> I hope I'm as fragrant as a petal
[20:43] <bigcalm> christel: relax, it's the evening. Ignore the fact I'm still working :)
[20:43] <mgdm> christel: BS. It's like 3 hours south of here :)
[20:43] <christel> hehe i have just made myself a coffee!
[20:43] <christel> (first one of the day)
[20:44] <czajkowski> catching up on listening to UUPC
[20:44] <bigcalm> christel: try and drink this one
[20:44] <davmor2> christel first coffee at bedtime sounds wrong somehow
[20:44] <czajkowski> that add or weird future thing is weird still not sure what it was for
[20:44] <bigcalm> czajkowski: me too, 4 eps to go
[20:44] <czajkowski> oh dear
[20:44] <czajkowski> there is more
[20:44] <bigcalm> :)
[20:44] <czajkowski> noooooo
[20:45] <christel> davmor2: tell me about it! the toddler of doom has had me running around in circles all day, no time for coffee!
[20:46] <davmor2> You should of called him kazack if his surname is doom :-)
[20:46] <christel> haha
[20:46] <davmor2> Anyway ladies and gents night night
[20:47] <christel> nn davmorius my dear
[20:47] <christel> <3
[21:16]  * MartijnVdS watches the election results
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Khazad.
[21:30] <Azelphur> has EE set a date for their 4G launch yet, or a coverage map?
[21:42] <diplo> daubers: You online ?
[21:44] <bigcalm> Sleeeep
[22:00] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:12] <diplo> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2176095766.png
[22:12] <diplo> Time to upgrade to fibre :(
[22:15] <diplo> gn all
[22:53] <Seeker`> Azelphur: October I think. And 'in big cities' is as much as I've been able to find
[22:53] <Azelphur> I see
[23:00] <Seeker`> Azelphur: getting an iphone 5?
[23:01] <Azelphur> Seeker`: no rofl
[23:01] <Azelphur> already have an S3, why would I want a downgrade? ;)
[23:07] <Seeker`> Azelphur: meh, can't be bothered with childish samsung fanboys :P
[23:08] <Azelphur> Seeker`: it's not a fanboy thing it's fact, have you not looked at the specs?
[23:08] <Azelphur> GS3 is better or equal to iphone 5 in every way o.O
[23:08] <Azelphur> apart from 4g which is useless to me as it probably won't be available near me in the next few years
[23:08] <Azelphur> margate is always last when it comes to things like that D:
[23:09] <Seeker`> Mali graphics cores aren't anywhere near as good as the ones the iphones use :P
[23:10] <Azelphur> Seeker`: got any benchmarks for that?
[23:10] <Seeker`> http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=Samsung%20GT-I9300%20Galaxy%20S%20III&D2=Apple%20iPhone%204S
[23:11] <Azelphur> fun
[23:11] <Azelphur> the s3 does win in a couple of those but overall the iphone seems to have it, I wonder how the iphone 5 compares
[23:12] <mgdm> I would imagine better in a couple of regards
[23:12] <Azelphur> probably
[23:12] <Seeker`> Apple state that the iphone 5 has 2x the graphics performance of the chip the iphone 4s uses
[23:12] <mgdm> the main reason I didn't get a new Android phone is that most of them are the size of a clipboard these days
[23:12] <mgdm> </troll :P>
[23:12] <Azelphur> I wonder how well it appears in actual game benchmarks :)
[23:12] <Azelphur> mgdm: haha, galaxy note do it! :P
[23:13] <Seeker`> Azelphur: The graphics chip in iphones is just better
[23:13] <Azelphur> seems so
[23:13] <Azelphur> in other benchmarks the S3 flies ahead, like browser benchmarks etc, but they are all cpu benchmarks
[23:14] <Azelphur> I'd be interested to see some game benchmarks as I say :)
[23:14] <Seeker`> Azelphur: GLbench is an accurate(ish) representation of game scenes you find on mobile devices at the moment
[23:15] <Seeker`> http://www.glbenchmark.com/the-benchmark.jsp
[23:16] <Azelphur> I see
[23:16] <Azelphur> well that's interesting to know :)
[23:16] <Seeker`> watched the video halfway down the page?
[23:16]  * Azelphur watches
[23:16] <Azelphur> I'm downloading glbench on my s3 too, gonna give it a whirl
[23:24] <MartijnVdS> S3 ViRGE?
[23:25] <directhex> S3 Trio V64+
[23:26] <mgdm> Amazon S3?


[19:09] <stgraber> xnox: so it looks like bug 1226912 is caused by webkit (in the ubuntuone plugin) being somehow unhappy and ending up waiting for a lock when ubiquity is started as a normal user. Starting ubiquity as "sudo ubiquity" appears to workaround the issue.
[19:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1226912 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Saucy) "ubiquity starts but does not appear" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226912
[22:07] <bdmurray> xnox: could you have a look at bug 1235192?
[22:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1235192 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Saucy) "Strings in U1 window for 13.10 installer are not in pot file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235192


[23:51] <BugzBunny> Hello, I'm experiencing a problem with CentOS 7 with cloud-init 19.4 running inside a LXC container. https://l.lhputils.info/Set6Z is copy of yaml I'm passing to lxd. Here's a cloud-init log https://l.lhputils.info/w2ErN. What's happening, and I can't tell if this is a race condition, but it reaches package installation. Yum fails to resolve domains?
[23:51] <BugzBunny> Do I need to add some sleep condition because I can login afterwards and install the package just fine?
[23:56] <BugzBunny> Unforuntately, the cloud-init.log doesn't indicate this, but I can observe the behavior during boot time.


[07:21] <jamescarr> correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't the pre-start script session run and complete  before anything else?
[07:35] <xnox> jamescarr: well it completes before main process starts (exec or script) of a given job.
[07:38] <xnox> jamescarr: other jobs can be running at the same time. E.g. all jobs which have star on conditions satisfied.
[07:41] <jamescarr> cool.
[07:41] <jamescarr> I think what happens is my pre-script takes too long so it bails
[07:42] <xnox> jamescarr: it's executed with "set -e" so if anything exits non 0, then starting the job is aborted.
[07:44] <jamescarr> kill timeout 20
[07:44] <jamescarr> tryin that
[07:49] <jamescarr> I set it, but it seems to be ignoring it
[07:49] <jamescarr> does it need to be set within pre-script too?
[07:58] <jamescarr> DAMN
[07:59] <jamescarr> silly typo in exec command. Couldn't see it because the output from the pre-script overwrote the console
[16:51] <jamescarr> okay I am at my wits end here
[17:00] <jodh> jamescarr: ?


[03:04] <wgrant> tjaalton: Bug #267611 doesn't look good; they're using the latest versions of things...
[05:51] <tjaalton> wgrant: there are also bugs where lshal doesn't show the device but it can be manually configured in xorg.conf. maybe this is related
[05:52] <tjaalton> oh, the log shows that it's found
[05:52] <tjaalton> hum no, it's using evdev
[05:53] <tjaalton> that's because the fdi file doesn't know about SynPS/2 :)
[05:53] <tjaalton> so this bug is easy
[05:57] <wgrant> There's also a patch in upstream git that will probably fix some of the scrolling issues.
[06:00] <wgrant> tjaalton: What do you mean it doesn't know about SynPS/2? My device name is identical, and it works fine.
[06:02] <tjaalton> hum right, maybe lshal shows a different string
[06:02] <tjaalton> and maybe that user doesn't have hal running?
[06:02] <tjaalton> although that would cause more problems
[06:02] <wgrant> It finds the device through hal.
[06:02] <tjaalton> and since he got evdev it should be running..
[06:02] <tjaalton> yep
[06:02] <wgrant> (II) config/hal: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[06:03] <wgrant> It uses the right driver.
[06:03] <wgrant> But it doesn't work.
[06:03] <wgrant> This is why I am confused.
[06:03] <tjaalton> oh right, it does
[06:03] <tjaalton> bah
[06:04] <tjaalton> breakfast first, then off to work :) ->
[06:04] <wgrant> Hmm.
[06:04] <wgrant> xorg-server 2:<IP_ADDRESS>6-2ubuntu3<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[06:04] <wgrant> That's old.
[06:04] <wgrant> That would be the problem.
[06:05] <wgrant> I suppose.
[06:05] <tjaalton> it should support properties
[06:06] <wgrant> Hm, indeed.
[06:06] <wgrant> Anyway, eat.
[08:43] <tjaalton> wgrant: btw, let's keep all synaptics bugs in x-x-i-s, because I believe the source package will be renamed before too long
[08:44] <crevette> hello
[08:46] <bryce> heya
[08:48] <tjaalton> howdy
[08:51] <crevette> do you have any report on widget corruption on gtk with intel ?
[08:51] <crevette> I have that specifically on epiphany
[08:52] <crevette> http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1220860308.jpg
[08:52] <tjaalton> never seen that on my 965GM
[08:52] <tjaalton> don't use epiphany though
[09:12] <seb128> I do use it and I've no such issue
[10:32] <wgrant> tjaalton: Didn't we only rename it to match Debian a few months ago?
[11:20] <tjaalton> wgrant: yes, to enable easier merges, but since then the project has adopted the MIT license and is hosted on b.fd.o. I believe Mattia is ready to rename the source now :)
[11:22] <wgrant> Aha.
[11:22] <wgrant> tjaalton: I was pleased to see that it reawoke a couple of months back.
[11:22] <wgrant> It had been looking unpleasantly dead for too long.
[11:26] <tjaalton> yes, that's true.. at least it's maintained now
[11:32] <wgrant> It's unfortunate that float properties such as speed aren't yet able to be exposed through XI properties.
[11:35] <tjaalton> yeah
[11:35] <wgrant> Otherwise we could easily have a nice complete Synaptics GUI.
[11:35] <wgrant> That doesn't need SHMConfig...
[11:36] <tjaalton> the driver could use a different scale, like x1000 or so and use constants :)
[11:37] <wgrant> Integers, you mean?
[11:37] <tjaalton> uhm, yes :)
[11:37] <tjaalton> constant isn't that useful
[11:37] <wgrant> No, not really.
[11:37] <wgrant> But yes, that is one easy option that I'd thought of. But I presume upstream will have a better one.
[11:39] <wgrant> Do we know of any sane person who has hardware afflicted by the ultra-slowness bug? That's getting quite a few people annoyed on the forums.
[11:39] <wgrant> And Launchpad.
[11:39] <tjaalton> the bug has been updated
[11:40] <tjaalton> and upstream is aware of it
[11:40] <wgrant> Ah, good.
[11:40] <tjaalton> it can be quirked on the fdi file
[11:40] <tjaalton> but the real problem is that some code is missing from the new version that used to be there
[11:40] <wgrant> Useful, those FDI files.
[11:40] <wgrant> Ah.
[11:40] <tjaalton> so it's not a proper fix
[12:09] <tjaalton> wgrant: float support is coming, just not implemented yet
[12:14] <tjaalton> wgrant: something you'd like to try?-)
[12:19] <wgrant> tjaalton: I'd love to. But I've not looked into how the whole thing works in depth.
[12:20] <wgrant> I've remained blissfully ignorant of how things like X operate internally.
[12:21] <tjaalton> me too. I also lack the skill to fix anything
[12:21] <tjaalton> which would involve coding, and in C
[12:23] <wgrant> My C isn't bad, but X is formidable.
[12:23] <tjaalton> heh
[12:29] <jcristau> some parts are not too bad
[12:34] <wgrant> Encouraging.
[12:59] <tjaalton> bryce: looks like you deleted changelog.Debian.old from the xorg git on Aug 5th ;)
[13:00] <tjaalton> at least that merge deleted it
[14:45] <wgrant> tjaalton: Well, X doesn't seem to like 64-bit property values, but I've got it working rather well converting -synaptics' doubles to/from floats.
[14:53] <tjaalton> wgrant: whoa, excellent :)
[14:55] <wgrant> A few changes in xinput and -synaptics, and defining XA_FLOAT in Xatom.h (although there must be something like that already...).
[14:58] <tjaalton> you could send those to the list for a review
[14:59] <wgrant> Once they're less pathetic, perhaps.
[15:00] <tjaalton> heh, you could also ask peter directly (whot on irc)
[15:24] <jcristau> wgrant: sending floats over the wire?
[15:24] <jcristau> wgrant: might want to do fixed point instead
[15:26] <wgrant> jcristau: What is the benefit of that?
[15:27] <jcristau> probably less architecture dependent
[15:27] <wgrant> True.
[15:31] <wgrant> Grumble. But then one of course has the issue of differing ranges. And who knows how much precision is required...
[15:31] <jcristau> right. integer properties are easier
[15:32] <wgrant> Definitely.
[15:34] <wgrant> Unfortunately, some of the more useful -synaptics properties aren't integers.
[15:41]  * wgrant gives up and goes to bed.
[15:41] <wgrant> Night all.
[18:59] <Ampelbein> hi! what is the right package for bugs in xkb? like bug #224649 ?
[19:03] <jcristau> Ampelbein: "yes, there's a reason"
[19:10] <jcristau> might be fixed at some point, but, since it's xkb...
[19:31]  * jcristau wtfs at bug 267867
[19:37] <bryce> ideas on bug 267682?
[19:39] <bryce> ah hell, brb
[19:42] <tjaalton> jcristau: heh
[21:08] <bryce> tjaalton: you about?
[21:40] <tjaalton> bryce: yep
[22:08] <seb128> hi there
[22:09] <seb128> is current intrepid known to be broken on intel?
[22:09] <tjaalton> in what way? my laptop works
[22:10] <tjaalton> sure there are bugs too
[22:11] <seb128> xglinfo segfault on startup but I just noticed that nvidia-glx-173 got installed and diverts libGL, let me remove it and restart my session
[22:11] <seb128> that's an intel laptop why the heck does the binary nvidia get installed?
[22:12] <tjaalton> beats me :)
[22:14] <seb128> nvidia-173-kernel-source
[22:14] <seb128> Recommends: nvidia-glx-173 (>= 173.14.12)
[22:15] <seb128> doesn't explain why
[22:16] <crevette> seb128: doesn't crash here
[22:17] <seb128> crevette: do you have nvidia-glx-173 installed?
[22:17] <crevette> no
[22:24] <crevette> I have this message when running glxinfo -> Failed to initialize TTM buffer manager.  Falling back to classic.
[22:25] <tjaalton> ignore it
[22:29] <seb128> alright fixed now
[22:29] <seb128> I still would like to now why those nvidia packages got installed
[22:30] <seb128> that will teach me to use mvo's toys, I updated using update-manager ;-)
[22:31] <tjaalton> well, can't answer that one.. :)
[22:32] <crevette> tjaalton: framerate of glx* tools is synced on vertical freq of the screen?
[22:33] <tjaalton> crevette: something like that
[22:33] <crevette> tjaalton: sorry, I don't know much
[22:34] <tjaalton> crevette: no worries, me neither
[22:40] <jcristau> yes, sync to vblank is on by default on intel
[22:40] <jcristau> so gears fps addicts will be sad
[22:57]  * wgrant wtfs at the response to tjaalton's closing of bug #267867
[23:06] <bryce> hi tormod
[23:14] <tormod> hi bryce
[23:14] <tormod> you and brian have done some rocking -ati bug work lately :)
[23:20] <bryce> tormod: thanks, yeah I've been really focused on it
[23:21] <bryce> tormod: there were a number of bugs you had asked for updates 1 month ago, that have received no response, that could probably be closed as expired at this point
[23:22] <bryce> on the 14th we could do another review - that's the 1 month anniversary of bdmurray's request for updates, so I guess we can expire many of the bugs that still have no received word
[23:23] <bryce> tormod: also I don't know if you saw, but I did up a patch to allow us to quirk fixes for the AGPMode issue.  I think I caught all the cases where people were reporting applicable symptoms and requested they test, but please keep your eyes open for more such cases
[23:23] <bryce> I suspect the AGPMode bug is going to be fairly pervasive


[09:06] <xubuntu35w> Hey. I'm new to Xubuntu, so here's a newbie question.. How do I sleep the pc? I thuoght it was suspend, but that acts like power off, with all programs and work spaces terminated.
[09:38] <fsociety[00]dat> how can I fix this?
[09:38] <fsociety[00]dat> http://ix.io/QXS


[01:06] <esdwdftty> the same user: exit and entrance to the account  (padlock), does not accept the password when logging in the same user. In Lubuntu 17 is fixed. I use a VirtualBox linux Guest.
[01:07] <esdwdftty> always doesn't accept the password
[01:07] <esdwdftty> Xubuntu 17.04 64bit
[01:13] <esdwdftty> you have the same bug
[01:14] <esdwdftty> you have the same bug as Lubuntu 17 and maybe Ubuntu
[01:14] <esdwdftty> lubuntu fix
[01:15] <esdwdftty> lubuntu fix it i say him
[01:20] <esdwdftty> dev. lubuntu fix it, i said about it on the channel Lubuntu
[01:21] <esdwdftty> eng not my lang
[01:21] <esdwdftty> Xubuntu ru
[03:27] <Wayward_Vagabond> You guys know a good place to find printer drivers, or maybe a guide to well supported printers?
[03:38] <genius3000> Wayward_Vagabond: I think I found one on Wikipedia before (with Google)...though I also just hope for the best with some on sale HP printer usually :P
[03:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> I think I might've found a driver for the thing, seeing if it'll actually install
[03:40] <Wayward_Vagabond> I've two printers at the house that don't work- a dell all-in-one, and a cheap print only  HP, but this one seems to be a midline HP
[03:44] <zuldrah> Hello.
[03:44] <zuldrah> Hello Globe.
[18:41] <puff> I'm running xubuntu 16.04 LTS.  I make heavy use of alt-tab to switch between windows, but sometimes window switching gets weird.  The normal behavior is that alt-tab switches to the window you were on before you alt-tabbed to the current window.  Or you hold the alt key down, tap tab key once and get a popup list of the windows, then keep tapping tab key until you get to the window you want.
[18:43] <puff> However, sometimes, as at the moment, it acts weird.  For example, I have ten windows open. The first three in the list are emacs, chrome, and intellij idea.  If I alt-tab from emacs to chrome, I'm at chrome, alt-tab again, I go back to emacs.
[18:44] <puff> However, if I "alt-tab, tab" from emacs to IDEA, then alt-tab to go back to emacs.. instead I go to chrome.
[19:17] <puff> I've seen some references to a "project settings" dialog.  Is this separate from the File/Settings (aka ctrl-alt-s) dialog, and if so, where do I find it?
[20:21] <bg> здрасти има ли българи тука
[20:21] <bekks> !ru | bg
[20:21] <bekks> Or was that Bulgarian?
[20:22] <bekks> Ah.
[20:22] <Unit193> geoip says the latter, yes.
[22:11] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, this sounds stupid, but it I'm finding it hard to print things out. Only one peice of software for images I have installed seems to be able to print, and it doesn't do page setup or anything like that to get it right
[22:39] <skafta> Hello to all of you. I dont get xrandr running as i want it to. i want to create two launchers to toggle between laptop screen and hdmi projector output. anyone advice about the needed command?
[22:39] <knome> so what are the commands you are trying now?
[22:39] <knome> and how do they not work?
[22:40] <skafta> 1/ xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto
[22:40] <skafta> 2/ xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1440x900
[22:41] <skafta> what should be the name of the laptops screen?
[22:41] <knome> xrandr -q tells you the names you have available
[22:43] <skafta> lvds-1 and dvi-d-1
[22:43] <knome> there you go then
[22:44] <skafta> do i need to add smth if i want the other monitor to turn of?
[22:45] <knome> yes, --output NAME --off
[22:47] <skafta> thus for laptop screen: xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output DVID1 --off
[22:47] <skafta> or LVDS-1 and DVI-D-1?
[22:48] <knome> whatever xrandr -q tells you your display names are
[22:49] <knome> and yes, that looks correct
[22:50] <skafta> tick "run in terminal"?
[22:50] <knome> i don't think that's required
[23:01] <skafta> knome, toggling works. for the resolution he works only with 'auto' but i want to reduce for the projector
[23:12] <skafta> knome, if i ask a specific resolution for the projector, altough available, he doenst switch
[23:13] <skafta> am i supposed to specify the rate?
[23:15] <knome> did you also use --on with --mode?
[23:16] <skafta> i wnat this to work: xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --1440x900 --output LVDS-1 --off
[23:16] <knome> --1440x990 isn't a valid parameter
[23:17] <knome> try --mode 1440x900
[23:17] <skafta> have it :-)
[23:18] <knome> if that doesn't work, add --auto before that
[23:18] <skafta> works as i want, thank you so much and sorry for my maybe stupid questions
[23:18] <knome> np


[03:46] <geomyidae_> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#job-lifecycle
[03:46] <geomyidae_> Shouldn't step 17 say "started on" and "stopped on" ?
[03:46] <geomyidae_> looks lke a copy/paste mistake


[19:10] <CarlFK> trying to install trusty using pxe net boot... bumping into an error I think I have hit before..
[19:10] <CarlFK> ~ # ping foo
[19:10] <CarlFK> Segmentation fault
[19:10] <CarlFK> [ 1670.680585] ping[4214]: segfault at 14 ip 00007fa6acdafd46 sp 00007fff9c9205e0 error 6 in libresolv-2.19.so[7fa6acda4000+17000]


[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[15:44] <Tm_T> good evening
[15:46] <SergioMeneses> Tm_T, \o good morning here
[15:47] <coolbhavi> SergioMeneses, its night here
[15:47] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:47] <SergioMeneses> coolbhavi, jeje
[20:54] <moppag> Hello everybody I'm new to irc channels I don't know how it works. Where should I ask for help on a screen reolution problem ?
[20:59] <YoBoY> moppag, hi, try on #ubuntu channel
[21:00] <moppag> Ok Thanks


[09:41] <salon> HI
[16:46] <smoser> for anyone interested, there are updated lucid images
[16:46] <smoser> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cloud/2010-September/000268.html
[17:13] <marrusl> hi smoser.  about the improved logging in maverick cloud-init.  by that do you mean that more and better info is being sent to the console of the instance during startup?
[17:14] <smoser> marrusl, i'm not really here :)
[17:14] <smoser> but a.) it goes to syslog and through to /var/log/cloud-init.log
[17:14] <smoser> b.) it uses python logging, and you can send (in user-data) a python-logging configuration that it will use
[17:15] <marrusl> D'oh.  a) that's right.  b) i see.  :) thanks.


[03:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xmobar (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.33-1build1 => 0.33-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
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[07:16] <RikMills> sil2100: ^^ fixes the kdenlive ubuntu1 that just got accepted
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[07:30] <sil2100> RikMills: looking o/
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[07:35] <sil2100> Reviewing the kde apps right now
[07:46] <sil2100> RikMills: I see some default keyboard shortcuts for annotations changed, are those used or documented somewhere? Might be good remembering
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[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kdialog [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kiten [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted konsole [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted krfb [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libkgapi [sync] (groovy-proposed) [20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted okular [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dolphin [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kamoso [sync] (groovy-proposed) [20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kget [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kpat [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lokalize [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gwenview [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kmix [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kde-spectacle [sync] (groovy-proposed) [20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libkf5kmahjongg [sync] (groovy-proposed) [4:20.08.2-0ubuntu1]
[07:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted masakari-monitors [source] (groovy-proposed) [10.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1]
[07:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yaru-theme [source] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[07:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libx11 [sync] (groovy-proposed) [2:1.6.12-1]
[07:53] <RikMills> sil2100: the short change is just reverting them back to what the okular version in focal had, so no change for people upgrading
[07:53] <RikMills> *shortcut
[07:54] <RikMills> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426009
[08:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ovn (groovy-proposed/main) [20.06.0-0ubuntu1 => 20.06.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ovn (focal-proposed/main) [20.03.0-0ubuntu1 => 20.03.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:37] <sil2100> RikMills: ACK, thanks o/
[09:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: r-bioc-monocle (groovy-proposed/primary) [2.16.0-2]
[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: r-cran-hdf5r (groovy-proposed/primary) [1.3.3+dfsg-2]
[09:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-cran-seurat (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.2.0-1 => 3.2.2-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-seurat [sync] (groovy-proposed) [3.2.2-1]
[09:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (groovy-proposed/main) [1.66.0-1 => 1.66.1-1] (desktop-core, desktop-extra, i386-whitelist, mozilla) (sync)
[09:42] <mitya57> mwhudson: yes, reproducible, I tried to sync a new version from Debian and it's also failing with the same error: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syncthing/1.10.0~ds1-1/+build/20137412
[09:43] <mwhudson> mitya57: that makes a fix slightly less hopeless i guess
[09:43]  * mwhudson lobs it at jsing
[09:46] <mitya57> Thanks for looking at it!
[10:18] <Trevinho> SRU team: can you please have a look to the libappindicator SRU for bionic that it's staging there for some months now?
[10:18] <Trevinho> there are various snaps that were affected by that
[10:26] <seb128> bdmurray, RAOF, rbasak, tjaalton, sil2100, (any alias for SRU team?) ^, I'm also curious to understand how we end up with a simple fix being in the review queue since April and not being picked up?
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell (groovy-proposed/main) [3.38.0-1ubuntu2 => 3.38.1-1ubuntu1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mutter (groovy-proposed/main) [3.38.0-1ubuntu1 => 3.38.1-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: jhbuild (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.38.0-1 => 3.38.0-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted jhbuild [sync] (groovy-proposed) [3.38.0-3]
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-cran-sctransform (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-1build2 => 0.3-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-sctransform [sync] (groovy-proposed) [0.3-1]
[10:47] <tjaalton> seb128: it's a sync, no straightforward way to review it
[10:51] <mitya57> tjaalton: I rarely use syncs for SRUs but in my opinion it has even *more* information than normal uploads: the PPA (or Bileto ticket) has diff to currently published versions, and in addition to that there are built binaries, build logs and sometimes autopkgtest results.
[10:52] <tjaalton> yeah, but everything else would need to be handled by the reviewer
[10:52] <tjaalton> manually
[10:53] <tjaalton> like adding series nomitation, marking it fix committed, adding the blurp about testing, adding verification-needed tag etc etc
[10:53] <mitya57> Ah, I didn't know that.
[10:53] <mitya57> tjaalton: I have indicator-applet in focal queue which is a sync. Should I re-do it as normal upload then?
[10:54] <tjaalton> maybe?
[10:54] <mitya57> Can I ask you to reject it then?
[10:55] <tjaalton> done
[10:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected indicator-applet [sync] (focal-proposed) [12.10.2+20.04.20201004-0ubuntu1]
[10:58] <mitya57> Thanks! Reuploaded.
[10:58] <seb128> tjaalton, if syncs are that problematic maybe it should be documented that they should be avoided or be rejected in a timelined fashion?
[10:58] <seb128> just silently skipping over isn't helpful
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: indicator-applet (focal-proposed/universe) [12.10.2+20.04.20200409-0ubuntu1 => 12.10.2+20.04.20201004-0ubuntu1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-budgie)
[10:58] <seb128> tjaalton, also didn't Trevinho submit some tooling update to be able to deal better with those?
[10:59] <tjaalton> I don't know
[10:59] <Trevinho> indeed... https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-archive-tools/sru-review-bileto-support/+merge/364193
[10:59] <Trevinho> it was approved, but then needed a small change, and still didn't get into..
[11:00] <Trevinho> tjaalton: just use that branch so will be any other SRU...
[11:00] <tjaalton> apw: ^
[11:01] <Trevinho> s/will be any other/will be like any other/
[11:09] <rbasak> Also how do I verify that the binary has been built correctly?
[11:13] <rbasak> IMHO a problem with SRU queue processing is the ad-hoc way in which SRU team members decide what to work on
[11:13] <rbasak> I made https://trello.com/b/XgBxtrZ9/sru (it's automatic) to try and help with that, but nobody else seems interested to use it
[11:15] <icey> rbasak: I love that trello board :)
[11:15] <icey> rbasak: also, I took motivation from some of your boards to make one for OpenStack Package bugs!
[11:15] <rbasak> Thanks!
[11:15] <tjaalton> rbasak: wouldn't it need one for each series?
[11:16] <rbasak> tjaalton: uploads to multiple series are merged into a single card
[11:16] <tjaalton> ok
[11:16] <rbasak> That way when someone uploads the same fix to multiple series, the review can be more efficient
[11:16] <tjaalton> right
[11:17] <rbasak> Right now some SRU team members miss that the same upload happened to mutiple series and only accept one, which nearly doubles the effort required :-/
[11:17] <rbasak> icey: are you using my tool to maintain it? Feel free to land a report script into there if you like.
[11:19] <seb128> rbasak, @build correctly, the queue has a clickable link to the ppa, I guess it's just a matter to check on the ppa that the serie is correct and that there is no other content?
[11:19] <icey> rbasak: it is! I've poked around in the tool itself rather than just adding a report so I'd have to see if there's a good way to merge those changes :-/
[11:21] <rbasak> seb128: I'm not sure exactly. I believe it matters that the set of build dependencies used is correct. I'm not sure exactly what the archive uses (though I can guess I don't know of it being documented anywhere for certain). I'm not sure if there are any other relevant settings apart from the build dependency list either.
[11:21] <rbasak> icey: ah. No problem. I am curious though to try and adjust the tool to support more real world use cases. But no rush :)
[11:22] <seb128> rbasak, if it's problematic maybe the SRU team should decide that syncs are not accepted for SRUs and reject asking for a manual upload
[11:22] <seb128> rbasak, just ignoring a fix for ages isn't helping anyone
[11:22] <seb128> it's noise in the queue for you, it's time waster for the team which uploaded to the fix and it's user who don't get their issue resolved
[11:23] <rbasak> seb128: I'd prefer some tooling/documentation that makes it easy to accept those the same as everything else. I agree it's not helpful for others to "just ignore it". I think to fix that needs a change to the SRU team workflow. Like I said I tried.
[11:24] <seb128> do you guys have a place, mailing list or such where to discuss that?
[11:25] <seb128> merging https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-archive-tools/sru-review-bileto-support/+merge/364193 would help with reviewing the diff part
[11:25] <seb128> but doesn't resolve the 'was it built the correct way' question
[11:25] <rbasak> There is various weird stuff that happens in the SRU team FWIW. As a newer member not fully up to speed on every edge case, when I see an edge case I assume that the uploader and some other SRU team membber knows what's going on and they'll handle it. I'm reluctant to reject just because _I_ don't understand the edge caes.
[11:26] <rbasak> There is a monthly SRU team meeting, though that has very poor attendance
[11:26] <rbasak> Besides that I'd just use ubuntu-devel@
[11:32] <seb128> our teams should probably having mailing lists or equivalent (same problem for ubuntu archive), it's annoying that there is no an appropriate place to discuss such problems and also to raise them
[11:33] <rbasak> What's wrong with ubuntu-devel@
[11:33] <rbasak> I prefer that over having many different lists each with a different subset of readers. IMHO, the only reason to split off from ubuntu-devel@ is if the traffic for one area gets too high
[11:36] <seb128> I guess it work, I'm just unsure how directly it reach team member, is everyone in the SRU team reading devel on a regular basis?
[11:36] <seb128> also the way a team works might be something the team want to discuss rather than having an open forum
[11:38] <icey> rbasak: seb128: what if the mailing list users prepend subjects if they think it'll be interesting to only a subset, ie: "[SRU] my awesome discussion topic", or "This is a topic for the whole list"
[11:38] <sil2100> tjaalton: well, sru-review handles syncs properly, so there's no need to manually mark the bugs etc.
[11:38] <tjaalton> sil2100: it does? shows that no diff available here
[11:38] <sil2100> tjaalton: you just need to handle the review part manually, but for Bileto PPAs it's easy if you go through Bileto
[11:39] <sil2100> tjaalton: you need to pass --no-diff
[11:39] <tjaalton> uh ok
[11:39] <Laney> or merge Marco's branch...
[11:39] <rbasak> FWIW, "git ubuntu queue sync" works on syncs too, though git-ubuntu doesn't cover the entire archive yet - just main
[11:40] <sil2100> So when I see a Bileto sync I just go to the Bileto PPA, that has a link to all the diffs and bileto URLs, review it, and if it's all good I do `sru-review --no-diff -s <etc>`, check if all the bugs are properly popping up and accept/reject accordingly
[11:40] <sil2100> So yeah, there's some additional steps, but from my experience those aren't very problematic
[11:41] <Trevinho> but really.... that branch is easy enough to give this checks all done automatically...
[11:41] <Trevinho> it's an issue going on for years, and there's no point of accepting a solution given that it handles a case that right now is handled anyway, but causing manual labor and worse diffing experience
[11:42] <Trevinho> but up to you guys, for sure as uploaders we can't expect that something that was in queue in april didn't hit proposed 6 moths after
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libappindicator [sync] (bionic-proposed) [12.10.1+18.04.20200408.1-0ubuntu1]
[11:42] <tjaalton> there
[12:02] <Trevinho> thanks
[12:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: schroot (groovy-proposed/main) [1.6.10-9build1 => 1.6.10-11] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[12:11] <rbasak> sil2100: ping for sup-mail in Focal NEW please. Bug 1888749
[12:21] <sil2100> rbasak: ah, yes! Sorry about that, fell of my radar ;/
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: schroot (groovy-proposed/main) [1.6.10-9build1 => 1.6.10-11ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[12:29] <doko> ^^^please review, the schroot in groovy is not working at all
[12:40] <sil2100> Looking
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sup-mail [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0-3~0ubuntu20.04.1]
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected schroot [sync] (groovy-proposed) [1.6.10-11]
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted schroot [source] (groovy-proposed) [1.6.10-11ubuntu1]
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: sup-mail [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0-3~0ubuntu20.04.1] (no packageset)
[12:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sup-mail [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.0-3~0ubuntu20.04.1]
[12:53] <blackboxsw> sil2100: morning/afternoon. If you have a chance today, we have an update-notifier upload queued (unapproved) for Xenial Bionic and Focal https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=update-notifier
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libvirt (groovy-proposed/main) [6.6.0-1ubuntu2 => 6.6.0-1ubuntu3] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[12:55] <sil2100> blackboxsw: sure, I'll try doing some reviews once I'm done with proposed->updates publishing
[12:55] <blackboxsw> thanks much
[13:05] <RikMills> sil2100: forgot to say thank you for the KDE apps earlier. thank you!
[13:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceilometer (groovy-proposed/main) [1:15.0.0~b3~git2020091007.6a502f88-0ubuntu1 => 1:15.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[13:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [2.12.0-0ubuntu3.1]
[13:36] <sil2100> RikMills: yw!
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools-signed [source] (focal-proposed) [2.12.0-0ubuntu3.1]
[13:37] <sil2100> slyon: accepted s390-tools* - my recommendation for the future would be to maybe include the bug reference to the s390-tools-signed package changelog
[13:37] <slyon> sil2100: thank you! I will keep this in mind for the next time
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: s390-tools (focal-proposed/main) [2.12.0-0ubuntu3 => 2.12.0-0ubuntu3.1] (core)
[13:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cinder (groovy-proposed/main) [2:17.0.0~b3~git2020091007.afcaf0b9d-0ubuntu3 => 2:17.0.0~rc2-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flatpak [sync] (groovy-proposed) [1.8.2-2]
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (groovy-proposed) [3.38.1-1ubuntu1]
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted malcontent [sync] (groovy-proposed) [0.9.0-2]
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (groovy-proposed) [2:17.0.0~rc2-0ubuntu1]
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gjs [sync] (groovy-proposed) [1.66.1-1]
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mutter [source] (groovy-proposed) [3.38.1-1ubuntu1]
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted horizon [source] (groovy-proposed) [4:18.6.0-0ubuntu1]
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted swift [source] (groovy-proposed) [2.26.0-0ubuntu1]
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected discount [sync] (groovy-proposed) [2.2.6-1ubuntu1]
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted llvm-toolchain-11 [sync] (groovy-proposed) [1:11.0.0~+rc6-1]
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-docs [source] (groovy-proposed) [20.10.3]
[14:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:22] <sil2100> blackboxsw: a quick question regarding the update-notifier SRU - how would it be tested for the non-trusty series? Since the test case mentions using a trusty lxd
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1]
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1]
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [arm64] (focal-proposed) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1]
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-5.8 [s390x] (focal-proposed) [5.8.0-22.23~20.04.1]
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: torbrowser-launcher (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.2.9-2 => 0.2.9-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:32] <sil2100> blackboxsw: left the same question on the bug, will get back to it a bit later
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport-symptoms (groovy-proposed/main) [0.23 => 0.24] (core)
[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-prime (groovy-proposed/main) [0.8.14 => 0.8.15] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (focal-proposed) [2.47.1+20.04]
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-drivers-common (groovy-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:0.8.6] (desktop-core)
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.47.1+18.04]
[15:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apparmor (groovy-proposed/main) [3.0.0~beta1-0ubuntu6 => 3.0.0-0ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[15:27] <jdstrand> fyi, we consider the apparmor upload bug fix. we got aa3 beta in, with patches a while ago. this is aa3 final without those patches (and a few others). there is a new aa-features-abi command that is arguably a new feature, but it is a very small, convenience leaf utility not used by anything else, so I didn't think it needed an ffe
[15:32] <jdstrand> if you have questions, please talk with amurray or jjohansen
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libpsl (groovy-proposed/main) [0.21.0-1.1 => 0.21.0-1.1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.47.1]
[16:04] <blackboxsw> sil2100: sorry about missing the question.. This is testable on xenial, bionic, focal we have a proposed PPA that supports all series. I'll update the test case
[16:04] <blackboxsw> and I'll respond on the bug
[16:25] <blackboxsw> sil2100: thanks again just updated test case on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1822340 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1842508
[16:48] <blackboxsw> updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1881632 too
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-devel-docs [sync] (groovy-proposed) [3.38.1-1]
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted metacity [sync] (groovy-proposed) [1:3.38.0-1]
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-getting-started-docs [source] (groovy-proposed) [3.36.2+git20201004-0ubuntu1]
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted plasma-pa [source] (groovy-proposed) [4:5.19.5-0ubuntu2]
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: open-vm-tools (focal-proposed/main) [2:11.1.0-2~ubuntu20.04.1 => 2:11.1.5-1~ubuntu20.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[18:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted open-vm-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [2:11.1.5-1~ubuntu20.04.1]
[20:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (groovy-proposed/main) [2.20.11-0ubuntu49 => 2.20.11-0ubuntu50] (core, i386-whitelist)
[21:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-pixelsaver (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.20-2 => 1.24-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-pixelsaver [sync] (groovy-proposed) [1.24-1]
[21:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: borgbackup (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.0.12-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1.0.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[21:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: borgbackup (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.5-1 => 1.1.14-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: containerd (groovy-proposed/main) [1.3.7-0ubuntu2 => 1.3.7-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-server)


[00:29] <dzho> you can tell by the pixels
[00:30] <dzho> they are, therefore, quite important
[01:28] <canthus13> heh.
[15:29] <thafreak> I love socat....
[15:29] <paultag> oh?
[15:29] <thafreak> yeah...
[15:30] <thafreak> a bug in this 3ware admin tool's ssl made modern web browsers not work with it
[15:30] <thafreak> there's a fix of course, but this 3ware stuff is in a closed box raidarray
[15:30] <thafreak> i can't just upgrade that
[15:31] <thafreak> so socat to the rescue
[15:31] <thafreak> socat connected via ssl, and ignored whatever was freaking my browser out
[15:31] <thafreak> and my browser could connect to socat via normal http
[15:31] <thafreak> problem solved
[22:09] <Unit193> Well howdy ubuntulog.