[03:54] <grantbow_> welcome george_
[03:55] <george_> your there!
[03:55] <grantbow_> yes indeed
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> For some strange reason Grant has been around here more often.
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[03:57] <grantbow_> :P
[06:41] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, find a location yet? or are we a no-go?
[06:42] <DarkwingDuck> We will be a go. I'll know more tomorrow.
[06:44] <pleia2> in DarkwingDuck's dining room \o/
[06:44] <pleia2> ;)
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> If needed... Something like that.
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> I have a really really small apt though.
[06:45] <pleia2> I had an ubuntu lan party at my house once
[06:45] <pleia2> we drank a lot, there's a video
[06:45] <DarkwingDuck> I don't have that big of a place but, I'll have something tomorrow
[06:46] <DarkwingDuck> I hope. LOL
[06:47] <philipballew> no worries DarkwingDuck, just figured id plan my schedule. im gonna have to drive 10 hours tomorrow so will be in the area again. just find a unprotected wifi house and set up tables outside. lol
[06:48] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[06:49] <philipballew> should be good!!
[06:49] <pleia2> lol
[06:51]  * philipballew would offer his room. but 10x10 and a dorm environment with showers might be a bad idea
[06:52] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, you guys have a meeting room there that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
[06:55] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, I called and looked into it. but nothing at all. they like to keep things locked down there. its odd if you ask me
[06:57] <philipballew> i wonder if a tech buissness in the area would let us use a room for free
[06:57] <philipballew> *business
[06:59] <pleia2> a lot of universities only allow things that are students only
[07:04] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, we are considered non-profit right?
[07:05] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: depends, some places require you to be a registered non-profit and ask for your EIN#, some accept us as a "club" that isn't selling anything
[07:05] <DarkwingDuck> I'll call and ask.
[07:05] <pleia2> for Solano Stroll we actually needed a non-profit number, so we team up with partimus for that
[07:06] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.sdfoundation.org/AboutUs/CommunityMeetingSpace.aspx
[07:06] <pleia2> cool
[07:07] <pleia2> might also do a call to the mailing list to see if any SD folks know/have a space
[07:08] <DarkwingDuck> Did that... Got a lot of "Ubuntu? Ewwwww" replies.
[07:08] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, can we use the sd lug space?
[07:08] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: the ubuntu-us-ca list :)
[07:08] <DarkwingDuck> Oh that one LOL
[07:09] <pleia2> no jam discussions there at all!
[07:09] <philipballew> libraries often have rental rooms
[07:09] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, chaching.
[07:09] <DarkwingDuck> *Cha ching.
[07:09] <philipballew> the lug near me meets in a library
[07:09] <DarkwingDuck> 50 bucks an hour with library.
[07:10] <philipballew> but we pay taxes!
[07:12] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.sandiego.gov/public-library/services/meet.fee.shtml
[07:12] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to call the SF Foundation tomorrow.
[07:12] <DarkwingDuck> *SD Foundation
[07:13] <philipballew> we are non profit though in some ways though
[07:13] <pleia2> well, in the sense that we have no profit :)
[07:13] <pleia2> but not in legal terms, and a lot of places require you to be legally registered
[07:14] <pleia2> particularly venues which have liability concerns
[07:14] <philipballew> what would it take to register as one?
[07:14] <pleia2> a few thousand dollars and an accountant to handle our taxes
[07:15] <pleia2> it's very expensive to get started, and you get in serious trouble if you don't keep your books and taxes in order
[07:15] <DarkwingDuck> and as a club... It's kinda one of those strange things that muddles the lines.
[07:16] <philipballew> theres probably an accountant on the loco who can do some "under the table" work and get it for free :)
[07:16] <pleia2> philipballew: we don't want to go down that road, it's seriously awful
[07:16] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah...
[07:16] <pleia2> even if we had the few thousand dollars to get things rolling, it's not worth it
[07:17] <DarkwingDuck> esp if the IRS decides to check up on us and the "under the table" accountant doesn't want to stick his neck out.
[07:17] <pleia2> I've been the point man on all partimus accounting stuff these past few months, it's unfun
[07:17] <DarkwingDuck> I'll call SD Foundation tomorrow and see what we can do. Because that sounds like a good deal if they will work with us.
[07:17] <pleia2> good luck :)
[07:18] <philipballew> sounds good1
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> But for now, I sleep.
[07:18] <pleia2> good night!
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> Night guys
[07:19] <philipballew> pleia2, sounds like a pain to be an accountant for them
[07:20] <pleia2> philipballew: mostly it's getting everyone going in the right direction - you need to review the bylaws of the non-profit to make sure you're fulfilling all obligations and going through proper proccedures when you set up bank accounts, signers and things
[07:21] <pleia2> making sure all donations are properly funneled, keeping track of them all, sending donors receipts for their tax exemptions
[07:21] <pleia2> and then jumping through the IRS hoops because they change the tax forms every year
[07:23] <philipballew> our tax system is way to compacted
[07:24] <pleia2> ok, time for me to head toward bed too
[07:24] <pleia2> night all
[07:24] <philipballew> night!
[07:41] <bkerensa> gnight
[07:44] <philipballew> this channel is dead after midnight
[16:41]  * kdub_ ponders san diego ubuntu hour soon...
[16:41] <kdub_> where is philballew when you need 'im :P
[16:45] <pleia2> last night he said he's driving down late next week
[16:46] <kdub_> yeah, school is starting back up soon
[16:46]  * pleia2 nods
[16:49] <jdeslip_> So, how are people getting to the Picnic on Saturday.  Can I get a ride with anyone? Or meet up at BART with anyone?
[16:51] <pleia2> jdeslip_: if you want to get to montgomery street bart around 9:30 we have a free space in our car
[16:57] <jdeslip_> pleia2: That would probably work
[17:05] <bkerensa> =o
[17:06] <bkerensa> Montgomery Street Bart? Thats downtown SF :P how does one do a pickup there
[17:06] <pleia2> I live 2 blocks from there
[17:06] <bkerensa> oh that makes sense
[17:06] <bkerensa> :D
[17:06] <bkerensa> I just dont see it being easy to park on Market or Montgomery to pick someone up :D
[17:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you think beer at a Global Jam is a good idea? PuppetLabs offered a keg in addition to their soda fountain and endless water bottle supply
[17:08] <nhaines> In that case, I'll be there early!
[17:18] <jdeslip_> I think Beer at a global jam is a great idea ;)
[17:28] <bkerensa> pleia2: Our Official Ubuntu and Server Book just arrived today
[17:30] <pleia2> bkerensa: nice! I had to follow up with heather who said she'd look into ours..
[17:31] <pleia2> I helped with fact checking on the ubuntu book, but it was uncredited (second time this has happened to me, boo)
[17:31] <pleia2> I am far too passive :)
[17:31] <nhaines> pleia2: boo!
[17:32] <nhaines> Just ask for it.   I'm sure you can at least get in the appendix.  :)
[17:32] <pleia2> nhaines: the first time was a major oversight, this time it was "I'll check with the publisher to get you added" and it never came to anything
[17:32] <bkerensa> thats horriblw
[17:33] <nhaines> :(
[17:33]  * pleia2 stops helping people with their books
[17:33] <pleia2> :P
[17:33] <nhaines> ha
[17:34] <bkerensa> I got a ThermaPak thingy for my laptop and its supposed to keep it cooler then a fan based cooler idk? Anyone have experience with these crystal pads
[17:34] <nhaines> bkerensa: do you notice any difference?
[17:34] <bkerensa> nhaines: I just put it under but I'm gonna monitor temps
[17:35] <nhaines> Well, that's a start.  :)
[17:36] <bkerensa> supposedly it has crystals that melt into gel and then the design of the ridges suck heat out and then when its off it turns back into crystals
[17:37] <nhaines> Sounds sciency.  :D
[17:41] <bkerensa> Yeah I guess... they need to make a giant one for my bed when the summer occurs it melts and keeps me cool :D
[17:41] <nhaines> haha
[17:41] <pleia2> lol
[17:41] <bkerensa> In fact is there a patent for that!
[18:27] <nhaines> Anyway, I think as long as someone's willing to check ID, a keg at a Global Jam isn't a bad idea.
[18:28] <philipballew> nhaines, if your under 21 are you still allowed to attend?
[18:28] <pleia2> and take keys away if needed :) (you can get in trouble if someone gets into an accident after leaving your place/event)
[18:28] <nhaines> pleia2: that too!  :)
[18:28] <nhaines> philipballew: it's not my event, but I would run one that way.
[18:29] <pleia2> the only time we've had beer at events is actually at breweries and the like (we still watch out for each other, but strictly speaking the venue bears the legal burden)
[18:29] <pleia2> but that's partially because beer isn't allowed at other venues ;)
[18:30] <philipballew> when I was at scale they had that night party and the staff on 3 different occasions offered me a cup from their keg. I laughed
[18:30] <pleia2> hehe
[18:31] <pleia2> the legal stuff may sound paranoid, but I come from pennsylvania, which had cops show up to our Intrepid release party
[18:31] <nhaines> At SCaLE last year, I think it was, I watched Jono drink 3 Jaegerbombs.  Man.  :)
[18:31] <kdub_> the /cops/ showed up?
[18:31] <nhaines> pleia2: oh, really?  Did you offer them a can too?
[18:31] <pleia2> *bombs++
[18:31] <pleia2> nhaines: we offered them a CD :)
[18:31] <pleia2> the story: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345
[18:31] <nhaines> haha  :)
[18:31] <philipballew> those geeks know how to party pleia2
[18:32] <kdub_> hey philipballew, was thinking about an ubuntu hour down here sometime soon
[18:32] <pleia2> philipballew: it was all a strange misunderstanding
[18:32] <philipballew> kdub_, im down, when and where did you have in mind?
[18:32] <philipballew> pleia2, but i assume you offered the cops free ubuntu cd's :)
[18:32] <pleia2> philipballew: yep!
[18:33] <nhaines> pleia2: I typed the URL on my laptop in as princessleia.om, which would be a great TLD for a party recipe site (hint, hint)
[18:33] <sn9> om?
[18:33] <pleia2> lol
[18:33] <nhaines> sn9: yup.
[18:34] <pleia2> nhaines: alas, looks like they don't offer second level registration
[18:34] <sn9> party recipe mantra?
[18:34] <pleia2> we had someone get into a car accident *before* a party once, totaled his car, he was ok, still came to the party as his car got towed :)
[18:37] <DarkwingDuck> That's dedication.
[18:38] <nhaines> pleia2: aww.
[18:56] <nhaines> Ubuntu font on these auditing slips I use to annotate calls is so much more readable than Times New Roman.  :)
[20:09] <MArkDude> paulproteus: know of anyone that might be interested in seeing storyline to a dark comic that is being crowdsourced?
[20:09] <paulproteus> I don't quite understand the question.
[20:09] <paulproteus> What makes the comic "dark" -- having to do with death?
[20:10] <paulproteus> If it's being crowdsourced, anyone can see the story line so far, right?
[20:10] <paulproteus> I do have some friends who like fanfic.
[20:10] <paulproteus> Conoisseurs of it, even.
[20:13] <paulproteus> So MArkDude, probably -- can you say more?
[20:25] <jdeslip_> exit
[20:26] <MArkDude> Sure paulproteus are you on +?
[20:26] <MArkDude> I have list on FB and +
[20:26] <paulproteus> I'm not currently.
[20:26] <MArkDude> NExt week we will have a public document with it
[20:26] <MArkDude> FB?
[20:26] <paulproteus> Yeah.
[20:27] <paulproteus> I'm Asheesh Laroia there.
[20:27] <paulproteus> Facebook profile name 0x70096AD1
[20:42] <pleia2> put on the shirt I wore at scale, it's too big \o/
[20:42] <pleia2> (I've lost about 15lbs since then)
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[20:43] <pleia2> sadly I did it with diet and exercise, boring boring :)
[20:44] <MArkDude> added you paulproteus
[20:44] <MArkDude> once you accept I can tag you in note
[20:44] <MArkDude> it will be more accesible for others to read
[20:45] <MArkDude> http://diglebowski.deviantart.com/#/d47godi
[20:47] <nhaines> pleia2: congrats!  :)
[20:47] <nhaines> Ooh, I just learned about the Alt-Tab, Alt-Down feature of Unity task switcher in Oneiric.  :D
[20:50] <pleia2> 11.10 unity is looking really nice (this means a lot coming from me)
[20:50] <nhaines> I have not been impressed, but since Enter will now launch an application after a search, and it'll default to the Home view every time, all will be well.
[20:51]  * nhaines impatiently waits for the new default wallpaper.
[20:51] <nhaines> Also I am upset that Ubuntu Mono hasn't been hinted and we don't have it as the Live CD menu/GRUB/virtual console/GNOME monospace font by default.
[20:52] <nhaines> In fact, I'm about to reboot for the update that enables all that (minus Ubuntu Mono stuffs).
[20:54] <nhaines> Wow, that new Ubuntu Software Center icon is something else.  :)
[21:27] <MArkDude> paulproteus:  >> https://www.facebook.com/note.php?&note_id=10150287465394130


[01:45] <braziercustoms> hello. I'm back again :D I am still having problems with conjure-up on 16.04.  can anyone tell me why I keep getting this error? 2017-08-07 21:29:26,447 [DEBUG] conjure-up/openstack-novalxd - __init__.py:21 - Showing dialog for exception: cannot retrieve charm "cs:glance-258": cannot get archive: Get https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/glance-258/archive: dial tcp: lookup api.jujucharms.com on <IP_ADDRESS>:53: re
[01:47] <sarnold> braziercustoms: you're3 cut off at ":53: re"
[01:48] <braziercustoms>  read udp <IP_ADDRESS>:38257-><IP_ADDRESS>:53: i/o timeout
[01:49] <braziercustoms> @sarnold that is the last of it
[01:49] <braziercustoms> 16 machines are running but cannot access horizon of course
[01:51] <braziercustoms> @sarnold I just noticed that one is different than the last one.
[01:51] <sarnold> braziercustoms: is that a go-implemented dns lookup that's failing?
[01:51] <braziercustoms> im not sure what you mean "go-Implemented"
[01:59] <braziercustoms> sarnold: it is hitting a DNS forwarder but its never been a problem, you think thats the problem? it works if I put the URL in the web browser it tries to download a file.
[02:01] <sarnold> braziercustoms: i'm guessing here.. try something for "for i in `seq 1 100` ; do dig api.jujucharms.com @<IP_ADDRESS> ; done  ... see if you get any errors or all successes
[02:05] <braziercustoms> sarnold: dont see a failure
[02:06] <braziercustoms> answers each in 0ms
[02:06] <sarnold> braziercustoms: hrm. is the conjure-up error repeatable?
[02:07] <braziercustoms> well, last time seems like I got a different one but it was same type of failure
[02:08] <braziercustoms> sarnold: I'm trying to find it. give me a sec
[02:12] <braziercustoms> sarnold: here is a previous one https://pastebin.com/aHpjDAMP
[02:13] <braziercustoms> sarnold:  so far every time I try to conjure-up, it fails at something "not retreivable"
[02:14] <braziercustoms> sarnold: that is every time in the last week or so.
[02:15] <sarnold> braziercustoms: I -think- file a bug against juju with ubuntu-bug juju-core   .. unless you can track down if there is something wrong with the dns forwarder on <IP_ADDRESS> or the firewalls in between..
[02:20] <braziercustoms> sarnold: I conjure-down, I will remove the controller (again) and start over see if there are any new errors.
[03:46] <braziercustoms> sarnold:  :D you made me realize that my dns forwarder for my home network is replying on both interfaces.. its always been this way and didnt cause a problem before, but would it cause a delay?
[03:47] <braziercustoms> as I get ;; reply from unexpected source: <IP_ADDRESS>#53, expected <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[05:52] <cpaelzer> jamespage: the OVS change we had was applied to master, I asked for branch-2.8 as well
[05:52] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but that said we could also just carry the patch on 2.8 as we know it is accepted
[05:53] <cpaelzer> jamespage: were you able to complete your check on OVS 2.8 and if so what is the summary and expected timeline?
[05:56] <cpaelzer> jamespage: instead of writing more walls of text I'll wait until you are around
[06:03] <cpaelzer> good morning everybody btw
[06:29] <dshap> Hey everyone -- all of a sudden today my production web server (running Ubuntu 14.04) started going down, and I'm trying to figure out why. By "going down" I mean I couldn't SSH into it, and when I rebooted the server (on EC2), I checked syslog and the first time I had this problem earlier today it showed memory issues, but then a few hours later it went down again and syslog didn't seem to show the same memory issues. What else should I l
[06:29] <dshap> into to diagnose what could be causing this?
[06:48] <ranjan> hi all, I have a Linux box whose / partition is 100% utilised when using df command, but then when using du -shx /, show there is a lot of free space.
[07:48] <cpaelzer> dshap: what do you mean by memory issues - out of memory kills?
[07:48] <dshap> cpaelzer: a couple lines like this: "dhclient: fork: Cannot allocate memory"
[07:49] <cpaelzer> and even being away as documentation @ranjan: this is a known thing and not "wrong" https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/45771/df-vs-du-why-so-much-difference
[07:51] <cpaelzer> dshap: you seem not to be the first one https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=674000
[07:51] <cpaelzer> dshap: but in general you'd need to track what is consuming your memory - assuming that really is the issue
[07:52] <cpaelzer> dshap: while usually next to useless/counterprodictive on a cloud you could set up some swap space to not die so immediately
[07:52] <cpaelzer> dshap: with that in place you could regularly track memory consumption
[07:52] <dshap> cpaelzer: That was my first thought when this happened the first time today. After it happened, I rebooted the server and my website came back online, but then 2 hours later it went down again -- that time, it didn't have any "Cannot allocate memory" messages in syslog
[07:52] <cpaelzer> dshap: either with basic "ps --sort -rss -eo rss,pid,command | head" or (my preference) with the tool smem
[07:53] <cpaelzer> dshap: what did it have in that second case - it must have had "something" I hope
[07:53] <cpaelzer> it doesn't shut down but loosing network connection right?
[07:54] <dshap> cpaelzer: According to the log, it doesn't appear to be shutting down, because I just see the reboot logs at the time that I initiate the reboot (from the AWS management console)
[07:54]  * kickinz1 back online
[07:55] <dshap> cpaelzer: the last 2 things I see from sys log are: "dhclient: bound to <some_IP> -- renewal in 1701 seconds." and "CRON[1505]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)"
[07:56] <dshap> cpaelzer: the last 2 things before it went down the 2nd time*
[08:10] <cpaelzer> dshap: hmm - I might not have the best hints so other feel free to chime in, but if you really have not more after one of these reboots you need to set up some things to log more to disk
[08:10] <cpaelzer> dshap: you could also have auto-restarts if the HW under the cloud has issues, like https://forums.aws.amazon.com/message.jspa?messageID=275616 but I'd consider this unlikely to happen two times
[08:12] <cpaelzer> I tihnk you could find in the service health dashboard if such a case happened
[08:13] <cpaelzer> otherwise set up monitoring to close in on what issue you system in particular might run into
[08:17] <dshap> cpaelzer: got it. thank you for your suggestions!
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:29] <cpaelzer> hi lordievader, good morning to you as well
[08:35] <lordievader> ranjan: That is quite possible. Probably some application which still has a reference to a deleted file.
[08:37] <lordievader> Du doesn't see those, df does.
[09:18] <lordievader> How are you doing cpaelzer?
[09:19] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I see the latest OVS upload still has the 15 errors in the self-tests
[09:19] <cpaelzer> lordievader: fighting the tide :-) how are you?
[09:20] <jamespage> cpaelzer: yes - looking at those now
[09:21] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll sync what we upload to Debian on Thursday afternoon - now that te patch with the pkg-config is accepted in OVS it will likely be the one with the multi-arch changes
[09:21] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but once I sync that from Debian it will fail to migrate until we have also uploaded a new OVS working with it
[09:21] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so ping me once your exploitation of OVS 2.8 makes and progress (or you are giving up for a reason)
[09:22] <cpaelzer> so we can coordinate those syncs/uploads as needed
[09:22] <lordievader> Doing allright here :)
[11:01] <jamespage> cpaelzer: picked your patch for ovs pkg-config/dpdk
[11:01] <jamespage> cpaelzer: having to skip some tests on the dpdk build which I've reported upstream
[11:01] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I've also been able to re-enable s390x testing which is nice
[11:03] <cpaelzer> wow, that is great jamespage
[11:04] <cpaelzer> did you have to skip all 15 tests or were some fixable?
[11:04] <cpaelzer> jamespage: thanks for integrating my patch, as I said it is upstream now so it should be safe and not a maintenance burden
[11:05] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I sent you an optinal invite for the DPDK meeting, you certanily have enough but if you ever want to attend you now know time&date
[11:06] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so with the pkg-config applied we can upload the 17.05.1 including this change to Debian and sync from there
[11:06] <cpaelzer> jamespage: what is the timing on the OVS 2.8 release - do you know?
[11:06] <jamespage> cpaelzer: this month
[11:06] <jamespage> ~(timing of release)
[11:07] <cpaelzer> ok, so I'd then try to coordinate the upload to Debian and sync from there
[11:07] <jamespage> cpaelzer: re the tests - I've just deferred that to upstream tbh
[11:07] <cpaelzer> once the 17.05.1 is in Artful proposed I can ping you to upload the OVS 2.8 then
[11:07] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I'm a little time short this week as off from end of thursday for a couple of weeks :-)
[11:07] <cpaelzer> a couple you say
[11:07] <cpaelzer> I hope for vacation
[11:08] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so what shall we do about OVS then, should I try to get it to Debian and sync to Ubuntu earlier?
[11:08] <cpaelzer> jamespage: would that help you to close out the OVS upload before you leave?
[11:09] <jamespage> cpaelzer: it would but I'm happy to upload prior to that actually arriving in Ubuntu; it will dep-wait until 17.05.1 appears :-)
[11:09] <cpaelzer> and then fail on me while you are unavailable :-P
[11:09] <cpaelzer> but ok, sounds like a plan for now
[11:10] <cpaelzer> I can still whine about it when it happens
[11:13] <cpaelzer> jamespage: ok, I have asked my co-maintainer to upload to Debian whenever he is ready
[11:14] <jamespage> ta
[11:14] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll sync from there into artful once available, feel free to make a dep-waiting one being around in a-p if you want
[11:16] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I'll hold for as long as possible
[11:17] <cpaelzer> ok
[13:45] <jamespage> cpaelzer: good smell test at least - https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/2889/artful.html
[13:50] <cpaelzer> jamespage: yeah doesnÄt seem too bad
[16:06] <ahasenack> ubuntu-server meeting in #ubuntu-meeting if anyone is interested
[17:46] <madLyfe> this was the iso i installed: ubuntu-16.04.2-server-amd64 but im still showing kernel 4.4.0-89-generic.
[17:51] <sdeziel> madLyfe: that seems OK to me. Unless you expected the HWE kernel?
[17:51] <nacc> madLyfe: can you show `apt policy linux-generic-hwe-16.04` ?
[17:51] <nacc> madLyfe: yeah, so I'm thinking now the server ISO *doesn't* use the HWE kernel by default (not seeing it in the seeds)
[17:52] <nacc> madLyfe: which is a distinction from the desktop ISO I didn't realize
[17:53] <madLyfe> so run this command? 'apt policy linux-generic-hwe-16.04`'
[17:55] <nacc> madLyfe: that will just say if the hwe kernel is installed
[17:55] <nacc> madLyfe: if it's not, you can install it
[17:55] <nacc> (if you want)
[17:55] <nacc> madLyfe: but as we were discussing on #ubuntu, why do you want the hwe stack on your server?
[17:56] <madLyfe> that command didnt do anything
[17:56] <nacc> madLyfe: it should output something
[17:56] <madLyfe> my servers are miners, just trying to squeeze the most performance out of the CPUs as possible.
[18:00] <nacc> madLyfe: ok, and you've measured that the newer kernel is more performant?
[18:01] <nacc> madLyfe: in any case, back to taht command. It hsould either have outputted "Unable to locate package" or it would have outputted lines that show what versions are available/installed
[18:01] <madLyfe> i have no idea. havent tested it. thats why i was seeing if i had it installed or not
[18:03] <madLyfe> nacc: http://i.imgur.com/1RMDu1Z.png
[18:04] <oerheks> drop t ' at the end
[18:04] <oerheks> apt policy linux-generic-hwe-16.04` <<
[18:04] <madLyfe> i did on the next two lines
[18:04] <madLyfe> where nothing happened
[18:05] <oerheks> those next lines are within your previous command, try fresh
[18:05] <madLyfe> manually typed it in again and same
[18:05] <madLyfe> even the clear command is doing it
[18:05] <madLyfe> wth
[18:06] <oerheks> apt policy gives a search, nothing gets installed or changed
[18:07] <madLyfe> no i mean clear isnt doing anything either: http://i.imgur.com/ZVGr7MB.png
[18:08] <oerheks> again, you are within your previous command, stop this with ctrl + c
[18:08] <sdeziel> madLyfe: type: ctrl-c
[18:08] <madLyfe> ah yes. still new. sorry
[18:08] <oerheks> :-)
[18:08] <oerheks> you will remember this next time, no worry
[18:09] <madLyfe> https://gist.github.com/5f60456c093419cd708b6f08faf98526
[18:10] <oerheks> your prompt should give a name @ machine + $ ( as user ) or + # as root
[18:10] <oerheks> good, HWE not installed
[18:11] <oerheks> sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-16.04 # if you *need* a newer kernel and such
[18:11] <madLyfe> well it says 4.10, but i dont have it?
[18:12] <madLyfe> "Installed: (none)" mean its not?
[18:14] <madLyfe> sudo apt install –install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 ?
[19:57] <nacc> madLyfe: right (none) means not installed
[19:57] <nacc> madLyfe: i'm not sure if you need install-recommends or not, but yes, that's the package you want
[19:59] <madLyfe> thanks. whats the worst that could happen by upgrading?
[19:59] <nacc> madLyfe: your system doesn't boot?
[19:59] <nacc> madLyfe: note, you're not upgrading, you're installing a differnet package
[19:59] <nacc> *a second package
[20:01] <madLyfe> its a pretty standard supermicro board. nothing proprietary on it. should be good.
[20:55] <Epx998> Is there a good command to get the status of a netapp share thats mounted?
[21:14] <Epx998> hmm
[22:27] <nacc> mwhudson: there's a few golang packages that are showing up in the 'out of date' from Debian list for server. Am I right to assume you've got a handle on them all? :)
[22:27] <mwhudson> nacc: er no but i can
[22:28] <mwhudson> nacc: where's the list?
[22:28] <nacc> mwhudson: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html
[22:28] <nacc> mwhudson: there are ~11 for golang
[22:29] <nacc> mwhudson: it's ok if they are understood to be behind for a reason, I just want to make sure that we have a reason for each :)
[22:32] <mwhudson> the reason is that i haven't ripped out the shared library stuff yet i think :(
[22:56] <nacc> teward: are you planning on updating nginx to 1.13.3 this cycle?
[22:59] <hehehe> could be good
[22:59] <hehehe> teward: you going to do it
[22:59] <hehehe> -
[23:00] <hehehe> ?
[23:00] <nacc> hehehe: why would you ask the exact question I just did?


[01:33] <jamesh> hmm. the gnome-3-34-1804 snap contains static libraries :-(
[02:23] <callmepk> good morning
[07:21] <marcustomlinson> jamesh: yeah that’s wrong. pretty sure we explicitly unstaged *.a
[07:22] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: I filed https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-sdk/-/issues/3 about it
[07:23] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: they represent about 10% of the uncompressed size of the snap.  I don't know how much they increase the compressed size though.
[07:24] <marcustomlinson> something from this list is pulling in static libs then: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-sdk/-/blob/gnome-3-34-1804/snapcraft.yaml#L53
[07:24] <duflu> Belated morning jamesh, callmepk, marcustomlinson
[07:25] <marcustomlinson> morning duflu
[07:25] <jamesh> hi duflu
[07:28] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: snap/manifest.yaml inside the snap shows the expanded list.  Haven't spotted an obvious culprit yet
[07:28] <marcustomlinson> jamesh: oh the fix for that may only be in candidate
[07:29] <marcustomlinson> I think ken wanted it to stew there for a bit
[07:29] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: ah.  That makes things easier
[07:30] <marcustomlinson> yeah this is why I was confused, because we fixed this precise issue 2 weeks ago :P
[07:36] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: I was investigating https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/trouble-with-the-gnome-3-34-extension-possible-version-mismatch-between-the-libgtk-3-so-0-and-libpango/18618 and was confused about why tab completion was showing .a files :-)
[07:37] <marcustomlinson> :)


[05:40] <woobydooby> sup, any idea when mir 0.24 will land in 16.10?
[05:40] <duflu> woobydooby: As soon as we have confirmed it doesn't break Unity8 and friends :)
[05:40] <woobydooby> oh, ok :D
[05:42] <duflu> It's a big one too
[05:43] <woobydooby> yeah, i've seen it's in a silo or something
[05:43] <woobydooby> a silo is like a ppa?
[05:43] <woobydooby> if i install 0.24 from the silo and it doesn't work can i revert?
[05:44] <duflu> woobydooby: I believe a silo is just a PPA. You can revert if you have 'ppa-purge' installed
[05:44] <woobydooby> ppa purge or something
[05:44] <woobydooby> great then :D muhahaha
[05:44] <woobydooby> thanks duflu
[05:45] <woobydooby> hm.. btw.. kde conversation worlk okish on mir
[05:45] <duflu> woobydooby: Thank you too. Please add your findings to https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/0.24/+merge/300589
[05:45] <woobydooby> there are some problems with the menu and other things but it's usable on unity8 desktop
[05:45] <woobydooby> using it right now
[05:46] <duflu> Unfortunately silos are often bloated beasts with lots of projects changing at the same time. Difficult to narrow down regressions
[05:46] <woobydooby> :( we need to move to snaps
[05:47] <woobydooby> snap refresh mir ))
[05:47] <woobydooby> i've heard snaps cure cancer
[05:47] <woobydooby> but i'm not sure if it's true
[05:52] <duflu> Snaps don't reduce the number of ABI/API breaks in a release necessitating multi-project updates unfortunately
[05:54] <woobydooby> oh i see :> so you also need to update qtmir and unity compositor and stuff along with mir
[05:55] <woobydooby> ok, so looks like 0.24 is in the Mir staging ppa
[05:55] <woobydooby> so.. after update i'll have mir 0.24 but all above will probably break, right? i will not be able to run unity8 desktop
[05:55] <woobydooby> but i'll be able to play with mir in a vt
[05:59] <duflu> I'm not sure actually. Depends which PPA/silo...
[06:00] <duflu> I need to go visit the winter air for a while
[06:01] <woobydooby> hehe
[06:03] <woobydooby> lp  ~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging
[06:14] <woobydooby> dufu can an abstraction layer above mir help with the abi breaks? (not coder here, just thinking), so then.. mir can move much faster, you'll probably also need to update the abrsraction layer with mir but will not break the stuff above
[06:16] <RAOF> Welcome to lp:miral :)
[06:17] <woobydooby> OMG! that's so cool! like totally cool
[06:17] <woobydooby> :P
[06:35] <woobydooby> konverstaion eating 200% cpu, i've seen this with all qt5 apps
[06:36] <woobydooby> back to irssi
[06:41] <woobydooby> kde apps
[11:23] <greyback> alan_g: your MPs are landed in trunk
[11:24] <alan_g> greyback: thanks
[11:24]  * alan_g looks forward to POC Qt compositing landing too
[13:01] <greyback> alan_g: another bump from qtmir: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/miral/qt-bump-to-qtmir-529/+merge/301168
[13:02] <alan_g> greyback: ack. On my list
[13:03] <greyback> alan_g: and I'd like your thoughts on a design matter I'm hitting. Please see https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/miral/qt-add-window-model-mir-side/+merge/301074
[13:03] <greyback> just scan for the comments, I try to explain what I'm doing there
[13:12] <alan_g> greyback: what's the question?
[13:13] <greyback> alan_g: for one, I need to duplicate much of the miral::WindowInfo object, so that I can pass it across thread boundaries. I'm making my own copy
[13:14] <greyback> I was considering adding a deep-copy method to WindowInfo
[13:15] <greyback> but size & position are not included in that structure, but in the pointed-to Window
[13:16] <greyback> hence just making my own WindowInfo struct, copying most of miral::WindowInfo into it
[13:16] <alan_g> greyback: miral::WindowInfo::WindowInfo(WindowInfo const& that) :
[13:16] <alan_g>     self{std::make_unique<Self>(*that.self)}
[13:16] <alan_g> That's a deep copy
[13:16] <greyback> ah. I missed that
[13:18] <greyback> ok, I just need to see about window size & position
[13:18] <alan_g> It doesn't deep copy the Window properties
[13:18] <greyback> yeah
[13:24]  * alan_g has an ambition to remove the member functions from Window, but hasn't achieved that yet
[13:28] <greyback> oh good to know


[00:34] <cabrey> mbostwick, you can just ask your question you know :)
[00:35] <mbostwick> thanks, but I am working on what someone recommended :) first
[00:36] <cabrey> ah ok a lot of people don't seem to like to ask questions in a quiet channel
[00:36] <cabrey> unlike #ubuntu
[00:45] <mbostwick> brb, need to restart L(
[00:45] <mbostwick> :)*
[00:58] <mbostwick> hello I am trying to get hp express tv tuner card to work (re brand of hvr1500) but for some reason when ever I try to use an app like me-tv its not able to get a feed, it brings up a samsung interface but it still dosnt work :(
[01:04] <mbostwick> anyone here ?
[01:23] <Blz> Hey everyone.  I'm trying to set up mythtv to record Comcast Digital Cable through a PVR150 using an IR blaster to control the STB and an RCA composite cable to link the STB to the PVR150.  So far I've managed to scan for channels with apparent success, but when I select "watch TV" in the main menu, the screen goes black for a few moments and then returns to the main menu.
[01:23] <Blz> logs are here:  http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f7397cf0f
[01:24] <Blz> I can provide aditional logs if need be
[01:28] <troldrik> Does mplayer -cache 8192 /dev/video0 work? may have to use ivtv-utils to set it to the composite input.
[01:38] <Blz> I'll be in and out of the room so please feel free to give me further instructions/tips/whatever ... getting mildly desparate =)
[02:07] <Shadow1> Blz, first if you are doing stb to pvr150 you dont scan
[02:07] <Shadow1> secound you can get a stb that has firewire and use firewire to change channels
[02:21] <rhl6856> can anyone reccommend pre created mythbuntu boxes for 9.04 ?
[02:21] <rhl6856> I'm looking to buy two frontends and a backend
[02:21] <Shadow1> Shadow1 brand
[02:21] <Shadow1> :D
[02:21] <rhl6856> links
[02:21] <rhl6856> ?
[02:21] <Shadow1> i was kidding but i would honestly build it for you
[02:22] <rhl6856> well, i'm mostly looking for specs down to the actual parts and prices
[02:22] <rhl6856> i can built it on my own
[02:22] <rhl6856> i want something that will **work**
[02:22] <rhl6856> i dont want to buy an expensive machine to find out linux will crap on t
[02:22] <rhl6856> it*
[02:22] <rhl6856> excuse my french i mean, poop
[02:24] <Shadow1> rh16 i would just goto the mythtv wiki
[02:24] <Shadow1> and check there
[02:24] <rhl6856> ok thanks
[02:24] <Shadow1> everything that is supported is listed
[02:24] <rhl6856> do you reccommend any good sites for purchasing stuff
[02:24] <rhl6856> other than newegg
[02:24] <Shadow1> all the regular ones newegg zipzoomfly tigerdirect
[02:25] <rhl6856> k thanks
[02:49] <Blz> Shadow1:  I don't scan?  how do I get my channel lineup then?  Is there a tutorial for this somewhere? (I already checked the mythtv wiki)
[02:49] <Blz> Shadow1:  also, firewire is not an option -- there's no port on the STB
[02:49] <Shadow1> you pay for schedulesdirect
[02:50] <Blz> Shadow1:  I have schedulesdirect already
[02:50] <Shadow1> Blz, yes it is an option goto your local comcast place and ask for a firewire box
[02:50] <Blz> when I had analog cable, I had to do a scan to put all of the channels in the database...
[02:50] <Blz> Shadow1:  do you know if they'll replace it for free or will it cost something?
[02:50] <Shadow1> also on the be setup where you put in the schedules direct info you get the channels there
[02:50] <Shadow1> yeah they will replace it for free
[02:50] <Shadow1> go get it
[02:51] <Shadow1> and when you have analog cable you still dont record you do it the way i said
[02:51] <Blz> Shadow1:  I thought they only *had* to do that for HD content.  but i guess it's worth a shot anyway
[02:52] <Shadow1> also hd is free
[02:52] <Shadow1> there is a plan to get hd for free
[02:52] <Blz> Shadow1:  we might be talking about the same thing (or maybe I'm confused) -- when I set up analog cable, I just plugged in my schedulesdirect account information and then there was a "grab listings" (or something similar) button I used
[02:52] <Shadow1> also over firewire you can atleast get local broadcast in hd
[02:52] <Blz> Shadow1:  oh well I only have an SDTV anyway
[02:52] <Shadow1> yeah you do that same procedure for the stb
[02:53] <Blz> right. that's what I did
[02:53] <Blz> and it grabbed the listings without a problem
[02:53] <Shadow1> good
[02:53] <Blz> but now when I want to watch live tv I just get a blank frame for a few seconds and then it returns to the main menu
[02:53] <Shadow1> !manual
[02:53] <Zinn> http://mythbuntu.org/installation_manual
[02:54] <Blz> yikes. no 9.04 manual?
[02:54] <Shadow1> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:MythTV_structure
[02:54] <Shadow1> just use that
[02:54] <Shadow1> 9.04 doesnt change mythtv features
[02:54] <Shadow1> its still .21
[02:54] <Blz> right. duh lol
[02:54] <Blz> hmm... at first glance i think i went through all of this, but I'll give it a closer look
[02:55] <Blz> thanks for the info
[02:55] <Shadow1> yeah
[02:55] <Shadow1> after you make sure all of that is in order
[02:55] <Blz> btw, just to  be 100% clear (I promise I'm not trying to play dumb), comcast will provide firewire-enabled boxes for SDTV?  Not just HDTV?
[02:55] <Shadow1> it doesnt matter for what it is
[02:55] <Shadow1> walk in and ask for a box with firewire
[02:56] <Shadow1> they have to give it to you
[02:56] <Blz> I specifically read that was only for HD...
[02:56] <Blz> but I'll try anyway
[02:56] <Blz> oh also... about firewire...
[02:56] <Blz> my understanding is there's two methods of handling that
[02:57] <Blz> you can either just change channels through firewire, or transmit the tv stream to the backend via firewire?
[02:57] <Shadow1> yup
[02:57] <Blz> is one better than the other?
[02:58] <Shadow1> well its not that its better its thtat some channels are encrypted over firewire and some arent
[02:58] <Blz> i'm somewhat tempted to just change channels via firewire since I have a PVR150... and I suppose I can take a load off of the CPU by having it handle the MPEG conversion
[02:58] <Shadow1> depending on your area
[02:58] <Blz> oh even coming out of the firewire port?
[02:58] <Shadow1> yes
[02:58] <Shadow1> so you can watch some channels
[02:58] <Blz> i thought the whole point of the STB was to decrypt encrypted QAM streams... god I hate media companies...
[02:58] <Shadow1> but most likely you can not see them all
[02:58] <Blz> okay
[02:59] <Blz> but channel changing via firewire works 100%
[02:59] <Shadow1> it does decrypt them but for some channels and shows its encrypted over firewire
[02:59] <Shadow1> i know that it works
[02:59] <Blz> okay, great
[02:59] <Shadow1> i have not used it personally so i can not say if its 100 percent
[02:59] <Blz> okay. this is still really helpful
[03:00] <Blz> can you point me to a tutorial on changing channels via firewire (if you know of one)?
[03:00] <Shadow1> i dont know of one but i am asking someone about it
[03:00] <Blz> awesome thank you so much
[03:01] <Blz> I'm actually going to go out and grab a case, but if you wouldn't mind posting the link, I'll read it when i get back
[03:01] <Blz> thanks again for the help -- this clears up a lot of the confusion
[03:03] <Shadow1> yup
[03:47] <Blz> aaand back...
[06:46] <mazda01> someone care to help me with my crashing frontend when trying to switch tuners?
[06:46] <mazda01> http://pastebin.com/m6a748662
[08:49] <MythbuntuGuest51> hello
[08:50] <MythbuntuGuest51> !help
[08:50] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:48] <MythbuntuGuest76> !nick JoshT76
[13:48] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about nick JoshT76
[13:49] <JoshT76> hello
[13:50] <JoshT76> I have a Hauppauge HVR-1250, records great, but the infared/remote isn;t supported in LIRC yet, looking for a recommendation for a USB/Serial remote solution
[14:17] <JoshT76> bought this, should work?
[14:17] <JoshT76> http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Certified-Infrared-Receiver-Ultimate/dp/B000ST7QPA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1245158245&sr=8-4
[14:31] <chris_> Hi guys, wonder if someone can help me?
[14:31] <chris_> If I turn my machine (frontend and backend) on with a monitor, I get the frontend displaying as it should.
[14:32] <chris_> If I turn it on with my TV connected, I just get the XFCE wallpaper, menubar, but no frontend
[14:32] <chris_> cursor moves with mouse input, but keyboard doesn't appear to do anything either
[14:32] <chris_> Can anyone suggest why?
[14:35] <Essobi> Good morning!
[14:43] <JoshT76> do the screen ratios match from monitor to tv? you may try forcing the tv to match what the monitor was then restart gdm
[14:44] <JoshT76> just a thought (guessing)
[16:46] <sedontane> I am running the 9.04 distro and cant get it to see my Hauppage NOVA-TD 500 IR reciever, I have he latest v4l-dvb from repo
[18:57] <MythbuntuGuest27> hello
[18:58] <MythbuntuGuest27> I am having a problem with mythbuntu and an external channel changer script
[18:58] <MythbuntuGuest27> I am using one of the scripts that comes with mythbuntu
[19:00] <MythbuntuGuest27> that is found here:
[19:01] <MythbuntuGuest27> sorry the script I'm using comes from /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/channel_changers/change-channel-lirc.sh
[19:01] <MythbuntuGuest27> the problem that I am having is that I the scipt does not get the channel number passed in
[19:02] <MythbuntuGuest27> the script works perfectly fine when I run it from the command line
[19:02] <MythbuntuGuest27> the channel on the set top box gets changed
[19:02] <MythbuntuGuest27> but when it is run from mythv it errors
[19:02] <MythbuntuGuest27> and the log that I've setup to catch output of the channel change script
[19:03] <MythbuntuGuest27> indicates that there it receives nothing on $1
[19:03] <MythbuntuGuest27> and an error from irsend is caught
[19:04] <MythbuntuGuest27> this is the error
[19:04] <MythbuntuGuest27> irsend: not enough arguments
[19:04] <MythbuntuGuest27> any assistance in getting to the bottom of this would be fantastic thanks
[19:30] <dhotman> Thought I would get a IRC client and ask my question again
[19:31] <dhotman> I posted my problem as MythbuntuGuest27
[19:31] <dhotman> basically:
[19:32] <dhotman>  I am having trouble using an external channel changer script from within mythtv. The channel changer works perfectly fine when run manually from the command line but fails when run by mythtv. The error that I get is that the channel number, which is suppose to passed to the script as $1 is not being passed to the script. Running mythtv backend in a verbose mode using the following command: mythbackend --verbose channel and this
[19:33] <dhotman> 2009-06-16 19:36:57.456 Seem to be woken up by USER
[19:33] <dhotman> 2009-06-16 19:37:09.309 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor
[19:33] <dhotman> 2009-06-16 19:37:09.309 adding: pvr as a client (events: 0)
[19:33] <dhotman> 2009-06-16 19:37:09.309 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor
[19:33] <dhotman> 2009-06-16 19:37:09.310 adding: pvr as a client (events: 1)
[19:33] <dhotman> :-!
[19:34] <dhotman> sorry I'll paste the log at pastebin
[19:35] <dhotman> the log can be found at http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f66264c86
[20:09] <dhotman> bump?


[11:33] <gabmus> hello people. I am trying to install python3-evdev on ubuntu mate 17.10, but I'm getting the following error: "python3-evdev: Depends: python3 (< 3.6) but 3.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed". Any ideas?