[22:40] <TJ-> amel: Right! You've got a dual GPU PC with an Intel+Nvidia 'bumblebee' configuration. The Intel driver is loading but the nvidia driver is no-where to be seen, possibly because you're deleted it. I also don't see the open-source nouveau driver, which suggests it is blacklisted still
[22:40] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Did you start the 'dd' copy from sdb1 to sda5 ?
[22:40] <shinobi_one> daftykins: I don't understand what you mean, sorry.
[22:41] <amel> TJ: i i deleted it a few minutes ago cause i had a black screen
[22:41] <shinobi_one> bekks, glitsj16: you're saying it I won't have to do extra work in either case? Both have a straight upgrade to 14.04?
[22:41] <bekks> shinobi_one: correct.
[22:41] <micros> so is this strange, or normal behavior?
[22:41] <daftykins> shinobi_one: so after some time, 14.04 will reach a 14.04.1 (sort of like Windows getting a first Service Pack) - that's when 12.04.x can be upgraded directly to 14.04
[22:41] <TJ-> amel: That isn't the correct approach, you can't fix it if you remove the driver ;)
[22:41] <bekks> micros: I'd consider that to be "normal".
[22:41] <micros> how come?
[22:41] <rustuptwist> TJ-: the last command you gave me sudo dd if=/dev....
[22:41] <amel> TJ: true lol, how can i fix it?
[22:42] <shinobi_one> daftykins: ahhh gotcha.. but 13.10 should go direct to 14.04 ?
[22:42] <shinobi_one> daftykins: without this wait?
[22:42] <amel> TJ: and hopefully now that you know i have 2 graphic cards itll be easier to fix it
[22:42] <rustuptwist> TJ-: 4.3gb copied 197.538 s, 21.6 MB/s
[22:43] <bekks> micros: I consider everything else rather than the child exiting itself with exit(0) to be forced somehow, resulting in a non.zero exit code.
[22:43] <daftykins> shinobi_one: ultimately, what are you setting up a server for?
[22:43] <shinobi_one> daftykins: a code repository among other things, needs to be a server :P
[22:43] <micros> in this case, it was the parent though
[22:44] <daftykins> shinobi_one: ok - and how many times do you like doing things, to get them working?
[22:44] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Great! OK ... you can "Install Ubuntu" now and it'll see there's that 104GB of unallocated space to use
[22:44] <micros> child sent the parent sigterm, parent caught it and exited with 0. so why 137 when i echo $?
[22:44] <Lauxley> bekks: so i disabled the repo, removed the 'local' packages in synaptic (there was only skype and steam), and still get the same exact error when i run do-release-upgrade
[22:44] <micros> that doesnt sound expected at all
[22:44] <bekks> micros: sigterm is non-zero.
[22:44] <bekks> Lauxley: Then pastebin the output again...
[22:44] <shinobi_one> daftykins: once 14.04 comes out i'll just stay on LTS
[22:44] <bekks> Lauxley: along with sudo apt-get update
[22:45] <TJ-> micros: Are you sure your signal-handler caught the signal; 137 is the SIGTERM exit code when there is no handler
[22:45] <bekks> shinobi_one: Just use 12.04 and decide until 2017 wether you want to update or not.
[22:45] <micros> ok, lets rephrase. if you dont catch a signal like sigterm and exit, then $? would be 143, sigterm, right?  if you catch the signal and then exit with exit(0) from the context of the signal handler, would the program return status be 0 or something else? maybe my expectation of exiting from a signal handler is wrong
[22:45] <micros> 137 is sigkill
[22:45] <shinobi_one> bekks: but it's only ~ a few months until 14.04 :D
[22:45] <micros> 143 is sigterm
[22:45] <TJ-> micros: sorry, I meant 143 is the exit code for SIGTERM ... so something is KILLing your process
[22:45] <micros> defintely caught. i see logoutput
[22:46] <bekks> shinobi_one: And?
[22:46] <micros> how can i come to know what?
[22:46] <micros> i cant imagine why
[22:46] <daftykins> shinobi_one: i personally don't like upgrades at all, so you could play with whichever you like, make notes as you go for what you do, then if the worst comes to the worst, starting from scratch with 14.04 will be smooth playing \o/
[22:46] <shinobi_one> bekks: i'm a stickler for new and improved ;)
[22:46] <bekks> shinobi_one: Then why do you want to use LTS? :)
[22:47] <shinobi_one> bekks: because new and improved on *sever* means i want LTS but the latest LTS, not necessarily the latest ubuntu, just latest LTS
[22:47]  * Korny scratches his head
[22:47] <bekks> shinobi_one: The latest LTS is 12.04
[22:47] <shinobi_one> bekks: for a few more months yes
[22:47] <bekks> shinobi_one: And thats it. Currently, 12.04 is the latest.
[22:48] <shinobi_one> bekks: if 12.04 to 14.04 is the same jump (amount of work for me) as 13.10 to 14.04, i'll probably roll 12.04 until 14.04 comes out
[22:48] <Korny> its not like 12.04 is so far behind anyhow, it has the latest kernal and all security upgrades.  Big difference in the UI honestly
[22:48] <shinobi_one> Korny: which I don't mind because I'm talking server
[22:48] <bekks> Korny: Shiny new colors in the PTY - it is going to be a server :)
[22:48] <shinobi_one> lol
[22:49] <Korny> meh my "server" still has a ui
[22:49] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  message: 'Unmount partitions that are in use?' The installer has detected that the followiing disks have mounted partitions: /dev/sdb'  what to do unmount before continuing
[22:49] <amel> TJ: any ideas?
[22:49] <shinobi_one> Korny: mine doesn't. unless you consider what bekks is saying lol
[22:49] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Yes, umount the USB, its not needed any longer
[22:51] <Lauxley> bekks: http://pastebin.com/yq7febgD
[22:52] <TJ-> amel: Ensure the drivers are correctly installed (again), reboot to clean things up, if/when the GUI doesn't start correctly switch to TTY1 with Ctrl+Alt+F1 (which should get you a text console) and then investigate the most recent log-files for Xorg. If there is no text console, just a black screen, you'll need to force the uvesafb driver to load from the GRUB menu option in order to have a console framebuffer.
[22:52] <bekks> Lauxley: Remove the backports repo and all packages from there.
[22:52] <Korny> Is it sad that I let my son play with an old computer that I just took apart as a toy :)
[22:53] <TJ-> micros: Are you running your process in a container?
[22:53] <shinobi_one> anyone got a link for 12.04.3-server-amd64.iso ?
[22:54] <jhutchins> rustuptwist: I'd probably just reboot the installer, that shouldn't happen.
[22:54] <shinobi_one> When I wget the link from ubuntu.com it ends up here http://isos.ubuntu.mirror.constant.com//saucy/ubuntu-13.10-server-i386.iso
[22:54] <shinobi_one> which sccares me
[22:54] <bekks> shinobi_one: Why?
[22:54] <neredsenvy> Why do I have to run nautilus as sudo from terminal anytime I wish to copy files to one of my folders
[22:54] <Lauxley> bekks: could i avoid this with a bootable up to date cd ?
[22:54] <shinobi_one> bekks: it should be 12.04.3
[22:55] <neredsenvy> Is there a way I can make it so that anytime I run the file explorer it starts as sudo
[22:55] <shinobi_one> bekks: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?distro=server&bits=64&release=lts that's the URL i am wget-ing
[22:55] <TJ-> shinobi_one: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[22:55] <bekks> shinobi_one: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/precise/daily/current/
[22:55] <jhutchins> Lauxley: pastebin.com is blocked.
[22:55] <jhutchins> !paste
[22:55] <k1l> neredsenvy: that should not be needed. you are doing something wrong in general
[22:56] <k1l> shinobi_one: there is some issue with some java or whatever you need for the homepage when wgetting
[22:56] <amel> TJ: lol oh how i wish i knew what all that means. I can switch to TTY1, that how i deleted the drivers in the first place..but as far as investigating  Xorg idk what im looking for or what to do there :/
[22:56] <k1l> shinobi_one: just use the direct image links
[22:56] <neredsenvy> k1l: I don't understand why this is happening because I'm using the acc I created on installation shouldnt it have root access
[22:56] <k1l> neredsenvy: no
[22:56] <shinobi_one> k1l: yeah that's what I was looking for, thanks TJ- and bekks
[22:56] <TJ-> shinobi_one: At the link I gave you, there's a plain download link for 64-bit server image
[22:57] <neredsenvy> k1l: So I have to make my acc root : P
[22:57] <k1l> neredsenvy: that is a user. and running blindly everything with sudo is a bad idea.
[22:57] <k1l> neredsenvy: no. you dont need to put files in the gui, where you need root permission. and using sudo for gui is twice as bad
[22:58] <donvito> how can i see processess how much cpu are using?
[22:58] <k1l> neredsenvy: you are really really going to break your system
[22:58] <shinobi_one> donvito: `top`
[22:58] <TJ-> amel: That's good. With the nvidia drivers installed, and having done a reboot, if the GUI doesn't properly start then switch to TTY1 and then "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" so someone here can see the actual live problem
[22:58] <k1l> donvito: see top (or htop) in terminal. or use the systemmonitor in gui
[22:58] <neredsenvy> k1l: It's annoying because every time I need file explorer to copy/move files in my var/rails/www directory I need to run sudo nautilus but after 10min I will forget I launched it from console and then i close that console and GUI window closes with it
[22:59] <k1l> neredsenvy: you are using the atom bomb to shoot onto a bird. make a setup with users and groups that works in that case
[23:00] <NetCatty> hi
[23:00] <greeter> greetings NetCatty
[23:00] <neredsenvy> Oh well it's back to Windows 8 for me this is to much of productivity bummer
[23:00] <amel> TJ: but when i get into TTY1 how will i get back here if the screen is black. i literally cant see a thing.
[23:01] <Lauxley> bekks: no luck, but now that i think about it, i had to manually install a backport for my network card to work, could this be the problem ?
[23:01] <bekks> Lauxley: yes
[23:01] <k1l> neredsenvy: no, just take 2 minutes to think about it and put your user in a group that got write access in that folders
[23:01] <genii> neredsenvy: If you have a console open to run it this way, why not just move the files you need by: sudo cp    or sudo mv    ...?
[23:01] <Lauxley> bekks: in my kernel or something, not sure
[23:02] <kingfisher64> what do others use as a system backup/snapshot? I've downloaded timeshift to try.
[23:02] <k1l> neredsenvy: dont blame ubuntu when you break all security systems just because you dont have a clue
[23:02] <donvito> how to kill users in sshd?
[23:03] <neredsenvy> k1l: I don't really have anything on Ubuntu/This PC I just use it for RubyMine IDE and nothing that important on it so a failure would not present any loss
[23:03] <Lauxley> bekks: this is what i did http://paste.ubuntu.com/6840725/
[23:03] <TJ-> amel: Use a command-line IRC client
[23:03]  * Korny hides in a corner after setting his storage directories to 777 :/
[23:03] <Jordan_U> donvito: I don't understand your question. Could you please rephrase it, *and* tell us your end goal?
[23:03] <donvito> i need to kill active users logged via sshd
[23:04] <Korny> why not just restart the sshd dameon?
[23:04] <k1l> neredsenvy: user and groups rights are really basic linux stuff. if you dont like that dont use linux, that is all.
[23:04] <TJ-> amel: irssi or weechat are popular
[23:04] <donvito> how to restart sshd daemon?
[23:04] <neredsenvy> What annoys me is I run sublime text via GUI and then I can't save/edit any files under my var/www folder ...
[23:05] <k1l> neredsenvy: again: put your user in the group that is owner of that folder and files
[23:05] <k1l> !permissions | neredsenvy
[23:05] <Korny> sudo service ssh restart ?
[23:05] <glitsj16> kingfisher64: i use timeshift, very happy with it .. as with all backup software it's a good idea to do some testing, including the restore functionality so you know what to do when needed
[23:06] <TJ-> neredsenvy: Then you need to amend ownership permissions. Your editing user needs to be a member of the group that owns /var/www/, and that directory and its contents all need "chmod -R g+w ..." permissions
[23:06] <donvito> nope the users are still loged in
[23:06] <Korny> sudo service ssh stop ?
[23:06] <amel> TJ: installing irssi now... after that then ill install sudo apt-get nvidia-current 331?
[23:06] <jayar> how do i put sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer on a usb flash so i can install it on my laptop?
[23:06] <Korny> if you stop the service it should disconnect them
[23:06] <kingfisher64> i'm saving over a local network, I imagine that's ok with timeshift glitsj16?
[23:06] <donvito> it will disconect me too
[23:06] <Korny> lol
[23:07] <Korny> well that restart should have as well
[23:07] <kalekip1_> Does anybody know how I can make my gnome terminal semi-transparent? I'm on 13.10 and I don't have the "background" tab everybody talks about.
[23:07] <donvito> thats not the answer i want
[23:07] <donvito> dude
[23:07] <glitsj16> kingfisher64: sure, that's a supported backup location
[23:07] <Lauxley> bekks: at this point i think i should just format my system drive and install from a fresh CD right ?
[23:07] <Lauxley> i basically lost all my apps anyway ..
[23:08] <TJ-> amel: No, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-331"
[23:08] <Korny> You didn't say you were remote....
[23:08] <kingfisher64> there's a ton of options in Ubuntu. Enjoyed my first week with the system glitsj16.
[23:08] <kalekip1_> My terminal was previously semi-transparent, but not anymore. I can't remember what I did to make it transparent.
[23:08] <amel> TJ: okone last question.. how will i use pastbinit on TTy1
[23:09] <Jordan_U> donvito: Korny: Just stopping sshd doesn't close existing connections.
[23:09] <glitsj16> kingfisher64: :) true, options might make it confusing at first, but that'll get better every day as you get to know your system
[23:09] <TJ-> amel: just as I showed you earlier, no different. It'll report the pastebin URL, which you can type into the IRC session. Remember, you can start the IRC client on TTY2 or TTY3 etc.
[23:09] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: gnome-terminal?
[23:10] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Yes, the transparency :/
[23:10] <Jordan_U> donvito: Why are you trying to log off all users (except yourself?) that are logged in via ssh?
[23:10] <donvito> my username was logged 3 times
[23:10] <kingfisher64> only other thing I've got to get is a power management app with a GUI (if possible). any recommendations?
[23:10] <donvito> so i killed 2 sessions of me
[23:10] <donvito> i found solution
[23:11] <donvito> Jordan_U i can do whatever i like in my server, if u know the answer just asnwer it
[23:11] <amel> TJ: ok ill try my best
[23:11] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: right-click should give you 'profiles' > profile preferences .. then it's the background tab iirc
[23:11] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Is it installing now?
[23:11] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Yes, but I don't see that tab. :/
[23:12] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I looked everywhere on the internet, I can't seem to find it.
[23:12] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I have every tab except that one -.-
[23:12] <Jordan_U> donvito: The answer depends on your end goal. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal
[23:12] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: odd, did you try purging the settings and start afresh yet?
[23:13] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: A fresh version?
[23:13] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: not of the app itself, but its settings
[23:13] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: No, where can I do that?
[23:14] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: hang on, i'm on a different terminal emulator so i need to check where it saves its prefs
[23:15] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: OK, take your time ;)
[23:15] <NetCatty> has someone managed to install the otter-browser on buntu13.10? I cant get it to work. I allways shows me error messages regarding broken dependencys( qt5) and so on although qt5 is installed :/
[23:16] <rustuptwist_> TJ-: Got disco'ed for a minute. Did you ask me a question
[23:16] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Is it installing now?
[23:17] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: ah, the settings of gnome-terminal are in gconf, so you'll need something like gconf-editor to get at those, you might need to install that if you don't have it yet
[23:18] <rustuptwist> TJ-: Yeah. Quite slow. I should have use edubuntu disc as that is the ultimate goal but...
[23:18] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I have it. I will look into that. Any idea where I should look at?
[23:19] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: apps > gnome-terminal
[23:19] <TJ-> rustuptwist: At least its working! I'm off now, hope it completes OK.
[23:20] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Nope, not found D:
[23:20] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: /apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Default/background_type to be exact
[23:20] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  yes your right. And thanks so much. Forget to. Thank you
[23:20] <rustuptwist> Thank you TJ-
[23:20] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I don't have it at all :/
[23:21] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I found something in /Org/
[23:21] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: dconf?
[23:22] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Yes :3
[23:22] <SweetGuM> hi. i just installed Ubuntu 13 on my laptop... and theres no Enable WIreless networking option in the network icon (its an empty triangle).. there are no properiety drivers. can someone help?
[23:23] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: /org/gnome/terminal/legacy/profiles:/(hash)
[23:23] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: could be i still have a version of gnome-terminal with some mold and it apparently moved over to dconf, sorry for the confusion
[23:23] <Bashing-om> SweetGuM: Maybe, I can help. Do you have a wired connection on that laptop ?
[23:23] <SweetGuM> Yes
[23:24] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I have no idea what to do now. I see "background-color" and "backgroubd-binding".
[23:24] <kalekip1_> bgcolor is rgb(0,0,0)
[23:24] <wotan147> People I am under 12.04 KDE 4.12 when I connect external Harddrive and mount it with the graphical utility of KDE it will mount as root
[23:24] <wotan147> this is an ext4 harddrive another one, ntfs will belong to user
[23:25] <wotan147> how do I tell the utility to mount as user
[23:25] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: not sure, i only know the old key, that was called background_type --> transparent
[23:25] <Bashing-om> SweetGuM: try: terminal command -> sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade ; activate the "Additional Drivers" utility and install the recommended driver(s).
[23:25] <NetCatty> can someone plz have a look at it: http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/16354
[23:25] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Can I just add the key?
[23:26] <SweetGuM> Bahsing-om: Oops, I understood you wrong. There is a ethernet port in the laptop, although its not connected...
[23:26] <SweetGuM> Bashin-om: or is it that sudo apt-get update doesnt need a connection?
[23:27] <k1l> SweetGuM: sure it does need internet
[23:27] <SweetGuM> yeah.. no wired connection in this room
[23:27] <ofhc> my sound stopped working, can someone help?
[23:27] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: that would be much help i think, as the schema wouldn't know what to do with it if it isn't there .. puzzling for such a small change .. trying won't hurt though
[23:27] <ofhc> i can play front_center.wav from the terminal
[23:27] <ofhc> but nothing else works
[23:27] <glitsj16> *wouldn't
[23:28] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: It doesn't seem to have the ability to add a key :/
[23:28] <Bashing-om> SweetGuM: Sorry, I do not have the skills to advise you how to install the wireless driver from an external means/ The easy thing is as described ( maybe take the laptop to a wired connection ??).
[23:28] <SweetGuM> ok, ill do that
[23:28] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I found something else. background-color
[23:28] <SweetGuM> so i just run sudo-apt get update
[23:28] <samertm> hey all
[23:28] <samertm> my keyboard doesn't have a super button
[23:29] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: it's a HEX(?) with 12 characters
[23:29] <samertm> are there any other dash shortcuts/is there anyway for me to set a dash shortcut?
[23:29] <SweetGuM> Bashing-om: how do i  activate "Additional Drivers"
[23:29] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: that won't give you transparency
[23:29] <k1l> samertm: its the windows key
[23:29] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Then I'm lost. :(
[23:30] <ofhc> anyone?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> SweetGuM: Yeah, after establishing a wired connection -> update/upgrade and Additional Utilities. Will find the driver ya need and install it.
[23:30] <Jordan_U> wotan147: Ext4 filesystems have stanadard *NIX permissions, the cleanest solution to this problem would probably be to allow world read+write to all files / directories on this external drive, but it depends on what type of files the drive contains. Do *not* simply chmod -R without thinking about the possible negative consequences.
[23:30] <samertm> k1l: I don't have a windows key :P I'm on a model m
[23:30] <SweetGuM> k thx
[23:31] <ofhc> anyone able to help?
[23:31] <k1l> samertm: hmm, well
[23:31] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Do you know any gnome-terminal alternative? Or can I reinstall it or something?
[23:31] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: did you try purge/reinstalling gnome-terminal yet?
[23:32] <kalekip1_> :P
[23:32] <glitsj16> :p
[23:32] <samertm> :P
[23:32] <kalekip1_> I'll just google on how to do that ;p
[23:32] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: sudo apt-get purge gnome-terminal && sudo apt-get install gnome-terminal
[23:32] <Bashing-om> SweetGuM: I run xfce4 not familiar with the standard install, try software Center ->Software sources -> drop down menu option (??).
[23:32] <kalekip1_> oh ty :P
[23:33] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: fyi, you can install any terminal emulator you like, gnome-terminal is only the default one
[23:34] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I really like it with transparency. That's all I want, but even that seems to be quite hard.
[23:34] <samertm> kalekip1_: if you need suggestions, apparently people like terminator
[23:34] <samertm> (I don't, but apparently other people do :P)
[23:34] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: xfce4-terminal also does transparency, to name one alternative .. most do
[23:35] <elias_> join #pool
[23:35] <elias_> #join pool
[23:37] <kalekip1_> Argh, I wish somebody just knew why I don't have the background tab.
[23:39] <kalekip1_> *sigh* https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544
[23:41] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: nice find .. i'd try xfce4-terminal and forget about the gnome one, in usage you won't see any difference
[23:42] <kalekip1_> Why isn't this just a standard feature?
[23:42] <kalekip1_> Everybody likes a transparent terminal, right?
[23:42] <kalekip1_> >.<
[23:42] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: ask the gnome devs :) i know i do yes
[23:43] <bprompt> kalekip1_:    many terminal apps out there for you to do just that, I have konsole and it allows that, it's just not my terminal app, I use mrxvt, though it allows that too, I like black :P
[23:44] <kalekip1_> I think I know why now. I upgraded from 13.04 to .10 >.<
[23:45] <kalekip1_> I regret it. Yes, just because of this. haha
[23:45] <BetaSoul> Has any one very gotten an ATI Radeon  HD 5650 mobility/intel combo to switch inputs?
[23:45] <BetaSoul> Ever?
[23:48] <UltimateNate> Hey how do i login into mysql database? Do i need to install something for SQL Database?
[23:48] <phil-ns> mysql client
[23:49] <phil-ns> then its mysql -h server -u username -p password
[23:49] <UltimateNate> do i need the server aswell?
[23:50] <phil-ns> heh
[23:50] <phil-ns> well, the point of using a database client would be to pull or manipulate some data.
[23:51] <phil-ns> eirgo, you'll need a database of data to play with, if you don't have a public one (or part of a hosting package you own) then yeah, you'll need to install the server part too.
[23:51] <phil-ns> if the idea is to learn sql, then install the whole mysql package
[23:52] <phil-ns> make sure to install mysql-admin, its a pretty decent front end for setting up fields/tables/databases
[23:52] <UltimateNate> Well im trying to set up Unrealircd
[23:52] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Can't I just downgrade the gnome-terminal? Christian Metz removed it in Ubuntu 13.10, because he thinks that it's useless. -.-
[23:54] <stuppy> Hello. In the process of upgrading my 'test' partition from 13.04 to 13.10 before testing another change, and durring the large, long download the screen locked and now it's stuck. Will not respond to offer password prompt. I tried A
[23:54] <stuppy> CTL
[23:56] <daftykins> stuppy: tried a CTL? ?
[23:56] <daftykins> SSH?
[23:56] <stuppy> ctl+alt+F1 > < ctl+alt+F7 switching to see if it would kick it out but no luck. Anyone have a
[23:56] <stuppy> lead on a fix for this?
[23:57] <stuppy> sorry about the broken lines. First time with andIRC for android.
[23:58] <glitsj16> kalekip1_: you can try, i don't know the actual dependencies of gnome-terminal .. if you can you'd need to put the package on 'hold' to keep it from upgrading, you can do that with sudo apt-mark hold <package>
[23:58] <daftykins> stuppy: can't SSH in?
[23:58] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: I'll just download xfce4-terminal. I'm done with this.
[23:58] <kalekip1_> glitsj16: Do you know the command? :P
[23:59] <kalekip1_> I can't find the terminal. I only find the whole thing.
[23:59] <stuppy> I can get in with ctl+alt+F1. I assume ssh but seems local would be as gopd.
[23:59] <stuppy> good


[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[16:00] <dholbach> davidcalle: I'm close to fixing the update-page-only-if-html-changed bit - the reason the change happens is due to the link rewrite
[16:00] <dholbach> I have to figure out why this still happens, but I'm quite close
[16:00] <dholbach> thought I'd give you an update :)
[16:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: merci :)
[17:03] <mhall119> dholbach: where are the instructions for upgrading django/django-cms? I'm ready to start landing that
[17:12] <dholbach> davidcalle: ^ did we update the makefile target for it?
[17:13] <dholbach> hum...
[17:13] <dholbach> update-1470715:
[17:13] <dholbach> 	@python manage.py migrate
[17:13] <dholbach> looks like not a lot is requried
[17:13] <dholbach> required
[17:13] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/1470715/+merge/268471
[17:13] <dholbach> mhall119:
[17:13] <dholbach> ^
[17:14] <dholbach> need to run now
[17:15] <dholbach> see you!
[17:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, this merge is what we need, yes, I'm just not sure about removing South  and python-keystoneclient
[17:15] <davidcalle> mhall119: ^
[17:17] <davidcalle> mhall119: I'll make a mp when I'm done with the showdown, unless you want to try this list of commands on staging first (like I did before the holidays, when we all tested the new django on staging)
[17:20] <davidcalle> mhall119: in case you want to try it, there is also python manage.py showmigrations --list that will show if we have other pending migrations that are needed
[17:25] <mhall119> davidcalle: I'm going to test it locally with sqlite first


[01:36] <jrwren> don't forget to file your taxes. :)
[02:24] <cmaloney> ok
[11:59] <rick_h_> fortunately we kept power, the in-laws lost it down in grosse pointe
[12:00] <rick_h_> but they had a generator installed and I think were actually kind of giddy to test that out heh
[13:07] <waldo323> good morning
[13:08] <waldo323> rick_h_, do you know which way it is fueled?
[13:08] <rick_h_> waldo323: I believe natural gas
[13:09] <waldo323> oooo I've heard good things.  I hope it worked well for them
[13:10] <rick_h_> yea, we got a couple of status reports calls and seemed things worked out for them
[13:13] <waldo323> thats good
[14:11] <cmaloney> Yeah, we managed to keep power this time around
[14:11] <cmaloney> I unplugged everything when the power was fluctiating
[14:11] <cmaloney> fluctuating
[14:32] <jrwren> smart
[14:32] <jrwren> i always forget to do that.
[16:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, I usually do too; especially if it's right before everything goes dark. :)


[03:20] <sadneophyte> Hey I was wondering if there was a problem with wpasupplicant and if anyone had a fix for it!
[03:28] <sadneophyte> I was wondering if anyone wanted to help me troubleshoot a really odd wireless problem
[07:29] <sadneophyte> hey are there any people with launchpad accounts here I have a bugfix/solution which should be
[07:30] <alkisg> which should be what?
[07:30] <sadneophyte> ahh
[07:30] <alkisg> Are you asking someone to file a bug report for you?
[07:30] <sadneophyte> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1748839
[07:31] <sadneophyte> is solved by regression to earlier codebase: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/2:2.4-1.1ubuntu1
[07:31] <alkisg> The bug is about gnome-shell, but this channel is about mate
[07:31] <sadneophyte> alkisg, this effects the mate wpa supplicant implementation
[07:32] <sadneophyte> and the ubuntu 18.04 wpa supplicant
[07:32] <alkisg> sadneophyte: ok, and what are you asking people here? Why aren't you just commenting on the bug report?
[07:33] <sadneophyte> someone with a launchpad account could post that fix to the buglist and help cannonical regress 18.04 codebase
[07:33] <sadneophyte> 18.04 pulled to far upstream for the wpa supplicant
[07:33] <alkisg> "post that fix to the buglist"? I don't understand
[07:34] <alkisg> That bug report is the correct place to do things
[07:34] <alkisg> There's no other "buglist"...
[07:34] <sadneophyte> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1748839
[07:34] <sadneophyte> that is a buglist
[07:34] <sadneophyte> for launchpad bionic
[07:34] <alkisg> It is a bug report, yes, and people did mention their experience there
[07:35] <alkisg> What do you want us to do with that bug report? Be more specific
[07:37] <alkisg> sadneophyte: maybe you didn't understand how bug reports are processed? Users mention things in bug reports, and developers may or may not work on them. If the problem is solved upstream, e.g. in the wpa-supplicant package, then it's easier to backport the fix to Ubuntu
[07:37] <alkisg> So if you're trying to help in solving that bug, you first need to contact the upstream maintainers
[07:37] <sn> alkisg, there is no upstream for this package.
[07:38] <alkisg> sn, it's not developed anywhere? :)
[07:38] <sn> wpa supplicant is sort of mature software
[07:38] <sn> they chose the unstable playground for an sbin program
[07:39] <alkisg> sn, latest commit, two days ago: http://w1.fi/cgit
[07:40] <sn> anyways it takes a microwave electrical engineer to design these protocols, I don't think there will be a bugfix in the next couple of years.
[07:40] <sn> hah!
[07:40] <sn> 2 days or 8 years?
[07:40] <alkisg> http://w1.fi/cgit/hostap/
[07:40] <alkisg> I see daily commits there
[07:40] <sn> hostap isn't wpa supplicant
[07:41] <sn> although the converse might be true
[07:42] <sn> anyways, I won't be making an ubuntu one account to post the solution, so whatever.
[07:44] <alkisg> Are you sadneophyte?
[07:44] <alkisg> I didn't even understand if you have a solution, or you're looking for one
[07:44] <alkisg> If you mean "downgrading is the solution", then this is already mentioned in the bug report
[07:45] <alkisg> I see patches sent for wpa_supplicant by canonical even in June 2018: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/hostap/2018-June/038643.html
[07:58] <sn> alkisg, its all cool man. 18.04 shipped with broken system critical software.  Mate picked it up.  I found somewhere to post where I didn't have to join cannonicals terms of service.  Its solved. no problem.
[07:59] <alkisg> sn, mate uses the same archive as all ubuntu flavors, sure
[08:00] <sn> thanks, sorry if I wasted your time.
[08:00] <alkisg> So if I understood you correctly, you wanted someone from IRC to say "yes affects sn too" because you didn't want to do it yourself
[08:00] <alkisg> ...but we couldn't provide information as it doesn't affect e.g. me
[08:00] <alkisg> So it wouldn't be useful to any developers trying to actually solve the bug
[08:00] <alkisg> np, cheers
[08:00] <sn> no, the maintainers don't know where the bug is.  A regression solves the problem
[08:01] <alkisg> Regression isn't what you think
[08:01] <alkisg> You mean 'downgrade'
[08:01] <sn> the december version of bionic alpha shipped with this wpa supplicant
[08:01] <alkisg> Regression is when a bug "fix" introduces a new bug
[08:01] <sn> ohhh sorry
[08:02] <alkisg> So you're saying that downgrading the package works around the issue
[08:02] <alkisg> This is already mentioned in the bug report there
[08:02] <alkisg> And the Ubuntu maintainers haven't yet acted upon it. Possibly because not enough people are affected.
[08:02] <sn> maybe, I though it said a regression did not solve the problem
[08:02] <alkisg> Me, I can't click "affects me too" because it doesn't. If you want to click it, sure, go ahead; I can't click it for you
[08:02] <alkisg> Don't say "regression", say "downgrade"
[08:03] <sn> down!*!grade
[08:03] <alkisg> Some said it helped, some said it didn't
[08:03] <sn> with a double d
[08:03] <alkisg> Usually developers only post solutions when they know why something happened and why it gets fixed
[08:04] <alkisg> Canonical doesn't fix all the bugs. More than 90% of the bugs are solved by upstream or by the users. Don't expect a distro to solve all the bugs it sees, noone has that kind of manpower.
[08:05] <alkisg> So you could mention the issue in the upstream mailing list, find a fix from there, and _then_ notify the distribution to cherry pick the fix
[08:06] <sn> no, but 18.04 needs to be super stable awesome sauce.  not duct tape testing.
[08:07] <alkisg> Eh, I don't think you understood how distributions work :)
[08:07] <alkisg> There's no distribution that can do that without the users themselves doing most of the work
[08:08] <sn> meh, I almost gave up on figuring how to downgrade wpa supplicant, which would have meant using debian instead of this awesome new shine mate
[08:08] <sn> shiny*
[08:08] <sn> and is it shiny
[08:09] <sn> I haven't seen something so nice since KDE 3.44 came out or gnome 2.3
[08:09] <sn> It is really nice.  I am really glad it made it to the LTS realease
[08:10] <sn> anyways thanks.
[11:51] <mate|34393> ayuda
[19:56] <timb67> any chance Ubuntu Mate will be made available to work on the ASUS Tinkerboard?
[19:59] <alkisg> timb67: does any ubuntu run on that?
[20:07] <diogenes_> it's compatible with the second-generation and later Raspberry Pi
[20:07] <diogenes_> so it should work
[20:08] <timb67> I tried once and it did not work...I suppose I could try again.
[20:09] <diogenes_> timb67, you tried what mate version?
[20:13] <timb67> so when the Ubuntu-Mate 18.04 is released for the Raspberry Pi (hopefully in July), that same version should work on the ASUS Tinkerboard, correct?
[20:27] <alkisg> One is ARM Cortex-A53, the other Rockchip RK3288, one uses proprietary blob, the other uses uboot...
[20:28] <alkisg> They don't sound too similar
[20:29] <alkisg> But once you get the boot manager and the kernel running, the rest (desktop environment etc) should be easy
[20:30] <timb67> Thanks...I am going to give it another try with 16.04 for the Raspberry Pi...we'll see what happens.
[20:31] <alkisg> I'd start with armbian to get the boot manager and kernel, and then copy the rest from mate
[20:34] <timb67> good idea. I am using armbian now so I'll see if I can make that work
[20:34] <alkisg> https://www.armbian.com/tinkerboard/
[20:34] <alkisg> It says it's already xenial
[20:35] <alkisg> So just apt install ubuntu-mate-desktop on top of that
[20:55]  * deskwizard is putting that on his todo list
[20:55] <deskwizard> that'd be sweet, wonder why I never thought of that


[04:47] <nigelb> jono: hi, still around?
[04:48] <jono> nigelb, hey
[04:48] <jono> yup, but about to grab dinner
[04:48] <jono> whats up?
[04:49] <nigelb> jono: I was looking to find who all were the track leads at last UDS
[04:49] <nigelb> I only remember you and pete :)
[04:50] <jono> nigelb, why do you need to know?
[04:50] <jono> I can't quite remember myself
[04:50] <nigelb> oh, lol.
[04:51] <nigelb> I wanted to get in touch with track leads to hear out their frustrations about summit
[04:51] <jono> oh gotcha
[04:52] <jono> nigelb, http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/
[04:52] <jono> they are still there
[04:52] <nigelb> jono: \o/ thanks!
[04:52] <nigelb> (sorry, I shoulda looked)
[04:52] <jono> np
[04:53] <jono> grabbing dinner, back soon :-)
[04:53] <jono> thanks for all your hard work nigelb :-)
[06:38] <nigelb> head_victim: Congrats! \o/
[06:38]  * nigelb took some time to process who Jared Norris wwas
[06:39] <pleia2> admittedly... me too :)
[06:39] <pleia2> but yay head_victim!
[06:40] <pleia2> but I had to look at everyone's wikis and launchpad pages anyway
[06:46] <ejat> head_victim : Congrats !
[06:53] <nigelb> head_victim: also, are you in .za?
[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <kim0> Morning
[08:05] <dholbach> hum, could it be that enigmail does not work in oneiric? at least I can't find any configuration options
[08:07] <head_victim> Thank you all. Again more reason to change this 15 year old nick name :)
[08:26] <head_victim> nigelb: in AU
[08:56] <nigelb> head_victim: ah!
[08:56] <head_victim> nigelb: same general area, just a bit further around
[08:56] <nigelb> head_victim: lol
[09:22] <akgraner> Good Morning!   - Yay, School starts back today...:-)
[09:26] <nigelb> akgraner: Good...morning?
[09:26] <nigelb> Isn't like really early morning?
[09:29] <akgraner> yep - I have to leave the house at 7am - ever tired to get a teenage daughter out the door in under 2 hours - Impossible...
[09:41] <nigelb> akgraner: heh :)
[09:41] <nigelb> akgraner: but I thought waking them up would also be impossible ;)
[09:42] <akgraner> nigelb, nah they like breakfast too much not to get up...
[09:42] <akgraner> and the kitchen here only stays open for requests when I am in it.
[09:44] <nigelb> hehe
[09:44] <popey> blimey, school starts early for you lot!
[09:44] <popey> ours dont go back until mid september
[10:22] <akgraner> popey, wow...but when does school end there?  We start early to account for inclement weather days - that they will be out of school. :-/
[10:27] <popey> akgraner: my kids broke up on 14th July
[10:27] <popey> so they get about 8 weeks off
[10:27] <nigelb> that'slate.
[10:27] <nigelb> err, that's late.
[10:28] <popey> its early in the UK
[10:28] <popey> most schools break up later than that
[10:28] <nigelb> so, when I was in school
[10:28] <nigelb> Our term started in July
[10:28] <nigelb> (officially)
[10:28] <nigelb> But senior students had school start in May.
[10:28] <nigelb> we got like 4 weeks of vacation.
[10:28] <popey> heh
[10:28] <popey> ours go September -> December, Jan -> July
[10:29] <nigelb> How long is christmas holidays?
[10:30] <akgraner> Catch you all in a few hours - in case you missed it - Ubuntu Friendly will need some feedback and SCALE10 Call for Papers is now open...check out the planet for more info..:-)
[10:30] <nigelb> \o/
[10:31] <popey> 2 weeks nigelb
[10:31] <popey> actually, 3 for kids
[10:32] <popey> i think ☺
[10:32] <nigelb> gah
[10:32] <nigelb> I had like 1 week
[10:32] <nigelb> and exams all around
[10:32]  * nigelb now dislikes his school
[10:51] <daker> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmwdotme/iemu-an-open-source-ios-device-emulator
[12:18] <dpm_> hi AlanBell, would you be up for another "hello world in python" session or the like for UADW? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[12:19]  * AlanBell checks diary
[12:21] <AlanBell> can't do wednesday or thursday
[12:21] <AlanBell> if you can schedule it monday/tuesday then yes
[12:22] <dpm_> AlanBell, cool. We've got several slots on Tuesday. Does any of them work for you? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[12:23] <AlanBell> 19:00 or 20:00
[12:26] <dpm_> AlanBell, does that look good to you then? -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[12:29] <AlanBell> yup
[12:33] <dpm_> thanks AlanBell!
[13:43] <dpm_> doctormo, are you around? Would you fancy running a session on ground control for this cycle's Ubuntu App Developer Week?
[14:33] <scott-work> doctormo: ping
[14:35] <nigelb> heh, everyone wants doctormo :P
[14:36] <scott-work> i have been trying to catch him for a few days to ask if he has any experience with a newish (for me) wacom driver
[15:05] <jono> kim0, all set?
[15:06] <kim0> jono: um .. please give me a min
[15:06] <jono> kim0, were you not expecting this call?
[15:06] <kim0> yes
[15:07] <kim0> as in not expecting
[15:07] <jono> cool
[15:07] <jono> oh
[15:07] <jono> I thought we rearranged
[15:07] <jono> no worries
[15:07] <jono> kim0, lets talk tomorrow
[15:07] <kim0> ok that works too
[15:07] <jono> I want to process the mail you sent me overnight anyway
[15:07] <jono> dpm_, hey
[15:07] <kim0> Yeah .. was about to ping you for it
[15:08] <jono> thanks kim0
[15:08] <kim0> so today or tomorrow are fine for me .. whatever suits you
[15:08] <dpm_> hi jono
[15:08] <jono> dpm_, mind if we have a quick catch up call in a few mins?
[15:08] <dpm_> jono, sure, I was going to ping you about it, can you give me 5?
[15:09] <jono> dpm_, no worries, doing an upgrade now anyway and then will be ready
[15:09] <dpm_> cool, thanks
[15:16] <dpm_> hey jono, all set for a catch up now
[15:16] <jono> dpm_, will just be one min, filing a bug
[15:17] <dpm> ok, no rush
[15:19] <jono> dpm, ok, having some audio issues here
[15:19] <jono> this damn headset
[15:20] <jono> dpm, lets try skype
[15:20] <dpm> ok, firing it up
[15:23] <jono> dpm, all set?
[15:23] <dpm> jono, all set
[16:01] <doctormo> scott-work: pong
[16:42] <koolhead17> hi all
[16:44] <scott-work> doctormo:  do you have any experience with the xserver-xorg-input-wacom package for wacom drivers?
[17:00] <jono> dpm, still here?
[17:21] <dholbach> alright, got the dev update post out there, that's me done for today!
[17:21] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow! :)
[17:34] <akgraner> hey jono did you see all the developer tracks SCALE has added... and it's their 10th Anniversary.. thought you might want to spread the word to your peers :-)  Call for papers opened today...
[17:39] <jono> akgraner, yup :-)
[17:39] <jono> sounds good :-)
[17:39] <akgraner> thanks!
[18:11] <dpm> jono, I'm around now
[19:05] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[19:58] <doctormo> scott-work: Enough experence, what's your question?
[20:05] <scott-work> doctormo: oh good :)   someone recommended replacing wacom-tools with it and i just wanted to make sure it worked
[20:05] <scott-work> doctormo: i don't have a tablet but hoped you did
[21:08] <czajkowski> jono wasnt around for call yesterday mentioned it last week i am in ireland . paultag even offered to go on the call for me
[21:24]  * AlanBell has a unity lens working \o/
[21:46] <jono> np :-)
[21:46] <jono> nice work AlanBell :-)
[21:46] <jono> what does the lens do?
[21:58] <AlanBell> jono: I am making a fork of the applications lens that isn't completely irritating!
[21:59] <AlanBell> it will show all the applications I have, grouped by category
[21:59] <jono> AlanBell, the new lens already does that
[21:59] <AlanBell> stripping out the zeitgeist frequently used stuff and the suggested applications that I don't want
[22:00] <jono> AlanBell, are you running oneiric?
[22:00] <AlanBell> yes
[22:00] <jono> it has categories in there as buttons
[22:00] <AlanBell> the categories are in the filters which is daft
[22:01] <AlanBell> and I click accessories and it shows me 4 of the 10 things I have, plus 4 totally random other things
[22:02] <jono> ahhh gotcha
[22:02] <jono> cool, look forward to seeing your lens :-)
[22:02] <AlanBell> I filed a bug about the randomness of the stuff it offers for download
[22:04] <AlanBell> but still I want a lens that shows all 77 or so applications I actually have, grouped by category with no hidden stuff (the click to see the rest of what you asked to see thing is most irritating)
[22:06] <jono> gotcha
[22:06] <AlanBell> when unity passes the test of being able to launch an arbitary application of my choosing I will totally start using it!
[22:06] <jono> I find I rarely use the lens
[22:06] <jono> I have my apps on the launcher and I just type in the app I want
[22:07] <jono> in the search bit of the lens
[22:08] <AlanBell> yeah that works, but I ended up having a terminal running and starting stuff with "/usr/bin/gedit &" because it was just as quick
[22:08] <AlanBell> a gui that you have to type in kind of misses the point for me
[22:09] <AlanBell> I started pinning some stuff to the launcher, but I don't really like the concept of stuff there that isn't running
[22:15] <popey> heheh
[22:21] <AlanBell> tbh I am not really liking vala much
[22:23] <AlanBell> and I will do something about the getting started documentation at some point
[22:35] <popey> whats vala like, comparing languages?
[22:37] <AlanBell> well it isn't the language as such that I don't like, that is fine, looks like any other language that wants semicolons at the end of the line
[22:37] <popey> :D
[22:38] <AlanBell> you have a bunch of .vala files and run make, then you have a bunch of .c files mixed with the .vala files which then get compiled
[22:38] <AlanBell> vala compiles down to c which compiles to executables
[22:39] <AlanBell> same for the .in files and .in.in files
[22:39] <AlanBell> you end up editing stuff that gets regenerated from other files
[22:41] <popey> *boggle*
[22:43] <AlanBell> it is highly confusing, but a lot of that could be that I don't know what I am doing


[04:36] <TheMarius> syspect the "bug" regarding my mate miniprogram indicator was because of a propietary bios update
[04:36] <TheMarius> suspect
[04:39] <TheMarius> nope that wasnt it!
[04:39] <TheMarius> :(
[05:34] <MReeves> Good evening/morning/afternoon depending on your location
[10:15] <krasi> zdrawejte
[12:17] <staeksauce> there's about an inch width on the side of one of my monitors where I can't put icons and windows won't maximize past it. Any idea what might cause that?
[13:02] <ebeyer_> Any of you guys running Ubuntu MATE on the Pi 3?
[13:19] <mate|63065> hello everybody
[13:20] <mate|63065> could some one help me with Ubuntu mate ?
[14:50] <mate|7079> hey guys tried upgrading to 16.04 from 14.04 and in uefi mode Grub is missing, in standard mode, I get the iframas (believe i spelled that right) terminal page but cn't type anything in. I download the iso through torrent and used unetbootin to make the boot image on my flash drive, did I screw up somewhere?
[14:55] <gordonjcp> mate|7079: can you boot the USB stick at all?
[14:55] <mate|7079> yes
[14:55] <gordonjcp> and it boots to a normal desktop, if you click "Try Ubuntu"?
[14:56] <mate|7079> redownloading the image now to see if that's the issue
[14:56] <mate|7079> didn't try that tbh just went straight to install
[15:02] <mate|7079> so reimaging the flash drive again will try the try ubuntu route and report back
[15:04] <gordonjcp> also I don't really bother with unetbootin since I've never got it to work ever
[15:04] <gordonjcp> I just copy it to the stick with dd
[15:04] <mate|7079> kinda hard to do that on windows tho....
[15:05] <mate|7079> ok rebooting now
[15:17] <guest1450> hey guys no earlier I mentioned the issues I was having installing 16.04 I am in the live system atm but still having issues with the installation
[15:17] <guest1450> so*
[15:48] <guest1540> ok update so in live system working on boot repair with interesting commands
[15:49] <guest1540> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sdb1" dpkg --configure -a
[15:49] <guest1540> Setting up shim-signed (1.12+0.8-0ubuntu2) ...
[15:49] <guest1540> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[15:49] <guest1540> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[15:49] <guest1540> dpkg: error processing package shim-signed (--configure):
[15:49] <guest1540>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:49] <guest1540> Setting up grub-efi-amd64-signed (1.66+2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3) ...
[15:49] <guest1540> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[15:49] <guest1540> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[15:49] <guest1540> dpkg: error processing package grub-efi-amd64-signed (--configure):
[15:49] <guest1540>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:49] <guest1540> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:49] <guest1540>  shim-signed
[15:50] <guest1540>  grub-efi-amd64-signed
[15:50] <guest1540> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sdb1" apt-get install -fy
[15:50] <guest1540> Reading package lists... Done
[15:50] <guest1540> Building dependency tree
[15:50] <guest1540> Reading state information... Done
[15:50] <guest1540> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 105 not upgraded.
[15:50] <guest1540> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[15:50] <guest1540> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
[15:50] <guest1540> Setting up grub-efi-amd64-signed (1.66+2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3) ...
[15:50] <guest1540> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[15:50] <guest1540> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[15:50] <guest1540> dpkg: error processing package grub-efi-amd64-signed (--configure):
[15:50] <guest1540>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:50] <guest1540> Setting up shim-signed (1.12+0.8-0ubuntu2) ...
[15:50] <guest1540> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[15:50] <guest1540> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[15:50] <guest1540> dpkg: error processing package shim-signed (--configure):
[15:50] <guest1540>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:50] <guest1540> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:50] <guest1540>  grub-efi-amd64-signed
[15:50] <guest1540>  shim-signed
[15:50] <guest1540> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:50] <guest1540> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sdb1" apt-get purge -y --force-yes grub*-common grub-common:i386 shim-signed linux-signed*
[15:50] <guest1540> Reading package lists... Done
[15:50] <guest1540> Building dependency tree
[15:50] <guest1540> Reading state information... Done
[15:50] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'grub-common' for glob 'grub*-common'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'grub2-common' for glob 'grub*-common'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-wily' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-generic-lts-wily' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-generic-lts-utopic' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-lowlatency-lts-xenial' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-4.4.0-21-generic' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-4.4.0-22-lowlatency' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-lowlatency-lts-wily' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-generic' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-4.4.0-22-generic' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-lowlatency-lts-xenial' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-lowlatency-lts-wily' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-lowlatency' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-generic' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-xenial' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-4.4.0-21-lowlatency' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-generic-lts-xenial' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-utopic' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <ouroumov> flood
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-generic-lts-vivid' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-lowlatency' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Note, selecting 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-vivid' for glob 'linux-signed*'
[15:51] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-4.4.0-21-lowlatency' is not installed, so not removed
[15:51] <guest1540> Package 'grub-common:i386' is not installed, so not removed. Did you mean 'grub-common'?
[15:51] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-generic-lts-utopic' is not installed, so not removed
[15:51] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-generic-lts-vivid' is not installed, so not removed
[15:51] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-generic-lts-wily' is not installed, so not removed
[15:51] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-generic-lts-xenial' is not installed, so not removed
[15:51] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-4.4.0-22-lowlatency' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-utopic' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-vivid' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-wily' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-generic-lts-xenial' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, ubottu could cap that using quiet &ban if he was opped I think
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-lowlatency' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-lowlatency-lts-wily' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-image-lowlatency-lts-xenial' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-lowlatency' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-lowlatency-lts-wily' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> Package 'linux-signed-lowlatency-lts-xenial' is not installed, so not removed
[15:52] <guest1540> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
[15:52] <guest1540>   shim
[15:52] <guest1540> Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove it.
[15:52] <guest1540> The following additional packages will be installed:
[15:52] <guest1540>   ubiquity-ubuntu-artwork
[15:52] <guest1540> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[15:52] <guest1540>   grub-common* grub-efi-amd64* grub-efi-amd64-bin* grub-efi-amd64-signed*
[15:52] <guest1540>   grub2-common* grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate* linux-signed-generic*
[15:52] <guest1540>   linux-signed-image-4.4.0-21-generic* linux-signed-image-4.4.0-22-generic*
[15:52] <guest1540>   linux-signed-image-generic* shim-signed* ubiquity* ubiquity-frontend-gtk*
[15:52] <guest1540>   ubuntu-mate-core* ubuntu-mate-desktop*
[15:52] <guest1540> The following packages will be upgraded:
[15:52] <guest1540>   ubiquity-ubuntu-artwork
[15:52] <guest1540> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 15 to remove and 102 not upgraded.
[15:52] <guest1540> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[15:52] <guest1540> Need to get 0 B/525 kB of archives.
[15:52] <guest1540> After this operation, 39.1 MB disk space will be freed.
[15:52] <guest1540> (Reading database ... 234837 files and directories currently installed.)
[15:53] <guest1540> Removing grub-efi-amd64-signed (1.66+2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3) ...
[15:53] <guest1540> Removing shim-signed (1.12+0.8-0ubuntu2) ...
[15:53] <guest1540> Removing ubuntu-mate-desktop (1.154) ...
[15:53] <guest1540> Removing grub-efi-amd64 (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3) ...
[15:53] <guest1540> Purging configuration files for grub-efi-amd64 (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3) ...
[15:53] <guest1540> Removing grub-efi-amd64-bin (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3) ...
[17:16] <sixwheeledbeast> please use pastebin for that stuff...
[20:00] <Guest71395> hello everybody, I'm new on chat, searching infos about remote graphical access on a Pi2
[20:00] <Guest71395> trying ssh without success
[20:02] <Guest71395> command line ssh is ok
[20:02] <Guest71395> anyone any idea ?
[20:10] <Guest71395> somebody here ?
[20:13] <bennabiy> Guest71395: hi
[20:13] <bennabiy> What do you have installed on the Pi2?
[20:17] <Guest71395> downloaded image ubuntu-mate-16.04-beta2-desktop-armhf-rapsberry-pi
[20:19] <Guest71395> hi, thanks for answering
[20:20] <Guest71395> installation is just out-of-the-box, nothing customized yet
[21:14] <fifty-sevenC> What's up everyone:
[21:16] <Guest71395> .
[21:47] <mortox> Hola a todos
[21:48] <mortox> +i
[22:02] <villager> Can anyone inform me why software boutique isn't working?
[22:03] <villager> o wait. Looks like I'm all good.
[22:03] <villager> Just had to do a quick restart
[23:14] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Where do I go to expand my file system?
[23:14] <fifty-sevenC> Can you explain more what it is you want to do?
[23:14] <fifty-sevenC> and the background behind the request
[23:15] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> I have an 8GB micro SD card running MATE but it only shows that i have 3.6 GB avalable.
[23:15] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> And on windows it shows that there is lots of unallocated space
[23:16] <fifty-sevenC> Well first, don't believe anything Windows says.
[23:16] <mate|35300> hey guys, could some one help me?
[23:16] <fifty-sevenC> Next, are you booting off the SD card?
[23:16] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> OK, but its true, the forum also had people saing to expland my file system on the welcome screen, but I dont know where
[23:16] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> And yes, I am booting from the SD card
[23:18] <fifty-sevenC> Are you using LVM?
[23:18] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> I dont know, I am on a raspberry pi
[23:18] <fifty-sevenC> Ok. I'm going to tell you how to do it the noob friendly way
[23:19] <fifty-sevenC> type this
[23:19] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Ok
[23:19] <fifty-sevenC> sudo apt-get install gparted
[23:19] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> ok hold on
[23:19] <fifty-sevenC> press ctrl+alt+t to open a terminal
[23:19] <fifty-sevenC> paste that in there
[23:19] <fifty-sevenC> Use gparted to grow your volume
[23:19] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, Hi what did you need help with?
[23:20] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Ok, it is installing right now
[23:22] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Where do I launch GParted?
[23:22] <fifty-sevenC> type sudo gparted
[23:22] <fifty-sevenC> in the terminal
[23:22] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> ok
[23:23] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Ok, it is open, what do I do next?
[23:23] <fifty-sevenC> Do what you wanted to do
[23:23] <mate|35300> hello, sorry i am new with linux
[23:24] <mate|35300> i have a 4/5 year old laptop
[23:24] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, Ok. What do you need help with?
[23:25] <mate|35300> and installed ubuntu mate on it the 16.04 it lagged alot , then i installed all other ubuntu then is still lagged... then i installed ubuntu mate 14.04.. now the interface is nog lagging anymore but if i go like firefox or something it still lags
[23:25] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> When I expand it, it gives me an error message
[23:26] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, You might want to disable compositing
[23:26] <mate|35300> what does that mean ?
[23:26] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, Look for MATE Tweak in your menus
[23:27] <mate|35300> its not on
[23:27] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, Somewhere you should have an option to pick your window manager or compositor. Just select no compositing
[23:28] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Should I remove the SD card and try to expand on windows with my partition manager?
[23:28] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, Well, if your computer is slow Linux will not magically make it faster.
[23:29] <fifty-sevenC> ELECTRODYNAMIX, Windows can only resize dynamic disks, which will make it unbootable.
[23:29] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Oh ok, not even if I use MiniTool partition manager?
[23:29] <fifty-sevenC> I never heard of minitool
[23:29] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> ok
[23:30] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Is there any other way to expand it then?
[23:30] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> gparted always fails
[23:30] <mate|35300> yes i guess you're right... windows 7 is oke...
[23:30] <mate|35300> i tought linux would be faster
[23:31] <fifty-sevenC> ELECTRODYNAMIX, Not while it is mounted no. Try booting off a thumbdrive then using gparted to resize the sdcard
[23:31] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> I cant boot off of USB with raspberry pi
[23:31] <fifty-sevenC> ELECTRODYNAMIX, do it on a desktop or laptop then
[23:31] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> Could I use gparted on my other linix desktop?
[23:32] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, How much memory does your laptop have?
[23:32] <mate|35300> 4gb
[23:33] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, What CPU and GPU?
[23:33] <mate|35300> maybe bad drivers
[23:33] <mate|35300> AMD C60
[23:33] <mate|35300> its a APU
[23:33] <ELECTRODYNAMIX> I will try to expand my file system on the SD card with my other linux desktop computer.
[23:34] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, I have no experience with APUs. Try checking your menus for "Additional Drivers"
[23:35] <mate|35300> yeah i tried that already... it doesnt work... :(
[23:36] <fifty-sevenC> open a terminal and do
[23:36] <fifty-sevenC> cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_state
[23:36] <fifty-sevenC> It is in performance mode?
[23:36] <mate|35300> now its says internal error
[23:36] <mate|35300> and restart
[23:37] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, might be something is broken in your laptop?
[23:37] <mate|35300> I want to thank you for your help
[23:37] <mate|35300> yes maybe...
[23:37] <fifty-sevenC> No problem although I wasn't able to help much
[23:38] <mate|35300> maybe i go and install the latest ubuntu mate again but then the 64 bit version
[23:38] <fifty-sevenC> 64 bit version is probably better.
[23:38] <mate|35300> yeah
[23:38] <fifty-sevenC> But just check cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_state
[23:38] <mate|35300> oke
[23:39] <fifty-sevenC> If it doesn't say performance you're in low power mode
[23:40] <mate|35300> can i copy the text and put it in the terminal ?
[23:40] <fifty-sevenC> yes
[23:40] <mate|35300> how can i do it ?
[23:40] <fifty-sevenC> Just highlight it
[23:40] <mate|35300> if is do crtl V
[23:40] <fifty-sevenC> Then in the terminal right click and select paste
[23:41] <mate|35300> it says no such file in the system
[23:42] <fifty-sevenC> You should have the radeon driver installed.
[23:42] <fifty-sevenC> And that should spit out battery or performance
[23:42] <mate|35300> aaah in de amd catalist
[23:43] <mate|35300> yeah
[23:43] <mate|35300> its maximum performance
[23:43] <mate|35300> maybe i installed it wrong
[23:43] <fifty-sevenC> Where did you install that driver from?
[23:43] <mate|35300> from synaptics
[23:43] <mate|35300> or something
[23:43] <mate|35300> i saw it on youtube
[23:44] <fifty-sevenC> Did you have the problem before or after you installed the proprietary driver>
[23:45] <mate|35300> before
[23:45] <fifty-sevenC> Are you currently having the problem?
[23:45] <mate|35300> i installed the driver because i thought it was not ok
[23:46] <mate|35300> yeah with youtube and other website who are heavy
[23:46] <mate|35300> website like this i am not having the issue
[23:46] <mate|35300> the point is i really really like the ubuntu interface
[23:47] <fifty-sevenC> Ok. As long as you didn't download and run a blob off the net.
[23:47] <fifty-sevenC> And installed it through synaptic or apt
[23:47] <mate|35300> no
[23:48] <fifty-sevenC> mate|35300, A lot of people like MATE. It is why we use it
[23:48] <mate|35300> the driver is from synaptic itself
[23:48] <mate|35300> yeah
[23:48] <fifty-sevenC> You're also free to modify it or try other desktops like openbox
[23:48] <mate|35300> btw i am on a netbook
[23:49] <fifty-sevenC> Cool beans
[23:49] <mate|35300> well i tried lubuntu today
[23:49] <mate|35300> but also the same problem
[23:50] <mate|35300> i thought maybe my cpu just dont fit linux
[23:50] <fifty-sevenC> Well now you know you need the proprietary driver
[23:51] <mate|35300> yeah
[23:51] <mate|35300> i did that with additional driver
[23:52] <mate|35300> i know amd's website also offers driver
[23:52] <fifty-sevenC> Don't use the drivers on the AMD site
[23:52] <fifty-sevenC> Everytime a kernel patch is released you'll have to recompile with no DE
[23:53] <mate|35300> hehehe to be honest i dont know what you mean
[23:53] <mate|35300> its to difficult
[23:54] <mate|35300> but where would you take the driver from ?
[23:54] <fifty-sevenC> Don't install the driver from the website
[23:55] <mate|35300> yes that part understand :D
[23:56] <fifty-sevenC> It means if you do, next time a kernel update comes out you will have to fix it from a blinking black cursor.
[23:57] <mate|35300> aaah oke :P
[23:57] <mate|35300> i will install the latest ubuntu mate
[23:58] <fifty-sevenC> Don't
[23:58] <mate|35300> ?
[23:58] <fifty-sevenC> No proprietary drivers in 16.04 yet
[23:58] <mate|35300> ow
[23:58] <mate|35300> 15.10 then?
[23:59] <fifty-sevenC> Look for "Software & Updates"
[23:59] <fifty-sevenC> turn on backports
[23:59] <fifty-sevenC> That will get you newer packages


[15:58] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:58] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:58. The chair is NCommander.
[15:58] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:59] <davidm> G'day NCommander
[15:59]  * NCommander sleeply waves
[15:59] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[15:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[15:59] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110526https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110526
[15:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110526https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110526
[15:59] <NCommander> er, none
[16:00] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[16:00] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:00] <NCommander> I just realized I posted the wrong link
[16:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110623
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110623
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <NCommander> c/o
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:02] <ogra> we look bad ...
[16:02] <ogra> but with dublin ahead that should not matter
[16:02] <NCommander> ++
[16:03] <NCommander> anything else or can I move on?
[16:03] <ogra> move
[16:03] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:04] <NCommander> Slow week. Did some work creating udebs, and determined my panda was fried.
[16:04] <ogra> the existing PXE code is uploaded though
[16:04] <NCommander> \o/
[16:05] <ogra> havent tested how complete it is yet
[16:05] <NCommander> we've got the sprint, we'll catch up there
[16:05] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:05] <ogra> yep
[16:05] <ppisati> nothing exciting: usual tons of cve fixes
[16:05] <ogra> any news regarding the usb issue ?
[16:05] <ppisati> and...
[16:05] <ppisati> the usb issue has been fixed & committed :)
[16:06] <ogra> \o/
[16:06] <GrueMaster> woot
[16:06] <ppisati> yep
[16:06] <NCommander> yay
[16:06] <ppisati> btw i'm bit low on stuff, so if you have any outstading issue
[16:06] <ppisati> feel free to throw it to me
[16:06] <ogra> we'll get you stuff next week, dont worry
[16:07] <ppisati> BTW, bring some otg stuff to dublin since it seems i can't make it work
[16:07]  * NCommander throws a trout at ppisati
[16:07] <ppisati> :)
[16:07] <ogra> sprints are good for collecting bugs
[16:07] <GrueMaster> Ohhh yeaaa.
[16:07] <ppisati> you can move from my pov
[16:07] <ppisati> ah no
[16:07] <ppisati> wait
[16:07] <ppisati> tegra2?
[16:07] <GrueMaster> ppisati: I'll bring you an OTG cable.
[16:08] <ppisati> GrueMaster: i've all kinds of otg cables but it seems it doesn't make any difference for my xm
[16:08] <ppisati> GrueMaster: anyway, bring it, thanks
[16:08] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:08] <NCommander> telepathy-glib has kicked out asses
[16:08]  * ogra looks at infinity
[16:09] <ogra> your sync ftbfs
[16:09] <ogra> sadly empathy gets uninstallable through that
[16:09] <ogra> so we dont get images
[16:10] <NCommander> anything else?
[16:10]  * ogra would like to have a recent image before the sprint ...
[16:10] <davidm> Yes that would be nice
[16:10] <ogra> should we drop ampathy for now ?
[16:10] <ogra> *empathy
[16:10] <davidm> Yes if need be
[16:11] <NCommander> ++
[16:11] <ogra> i'm not sure if there is more in the desktop seed
[16:11] <davidm> I really don't want to block on that
[16:11] <ogra> more depending on telepathy-glib i mean
[16:11] <infinity> Err, oh.  Right.  Meeting.
[16:11] <infinity> NCommander: tp-glib is suffering from "lp-buildd is broken" issues.
[16:12] <infinity> ogra: No need to drop empathy, I'll just bump the test timeout in tp-glib to something stupidly high to work around twistd.
[16:12] <NCommander> ugh
[16:12]  * infinity will throw a test upload at his PPA right now and see if it sticks.
[16:12] <ogra> infinity, ok, if we dont have a binary by tomorrow evening i'll drop it though
[16:12] <infinity> ogra: *nod*
[16:13] <ogra> so we have a chance to get an image over the weekend
[16:13] <infinity> ogra: If you do, file a bug against soyuz, it's not actually a tp-glib issue.
[16:14] <ogra> well, thats only temporary indeed, we can corner StevenK in dublin to fix it ;)
[16:14]  * NCommander packs duct tape and a staple gun
[16:14] <NCommander> k
[16:14] <NCommander> can we ove?
[16:14] <ogra> nothing else from me
[16:14] <ogra> (and partially also already the image topic :) )
[16:15] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:15]  * GrueMaster hasn't ove'd in years
[16:15] <ogra> GrueMaster, oh ? why not ?
[16:15] <ogra> well ... image status, headles builds fine, i havent tested a single one since a while though
[16:16] <ogra> desktop doesnt ... see above :)
[16:16] <NCommander> is there anything else?
[16:16] <GrueMaster> Tested headless omap4 on Tuesday.  Still works.
[16:16]  * NCommander doesn't have anything to add
[16:16] <ogra> great
[16:16] <GrueMaster> Good progress on netboot.
[16:16] <ogra> jasper will need preseed file support for server preinstalled
[16:16] <ogra> we need to discuss where to put that file in dublin
[16:17] <ogra> since unlike in d-i images it will persist on the FS
[16:17] <NCommander> ogra: /var/cache/installer/preseed?
[16:17] <ogra> something like that
[16:17] <NCommander> oro something like that
[16:18] <ogra> yeah
[16:18] <NCommander> anything else?
[16:18] <ogra> the coding will be trivial, but i somehow cant make up my mind about the file :)
[16:18] <ogra> nothing else here
[16:18] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:18] <GrueMaster> Oh, that's me.
[16:19] <GrueMaster> I have my relay now fully operational and online.  I can remotely control 2 pandas atm (limited to pandas on hand).
[16:19] <ogra> you should patent that and sell it to zoos ;)
[16:19] <GrueMaster> Work progressing on ramping up jenkins automation environment.  Lots of questions for the QA guys next week.
[16:20] <GrueMaster> filesystem benchmark testing is very slow & manual.  Each run takes 84 hours and then I have to reformat & restore the rootfs.
[16:21] <ogra> how do you benchmark exactly ?
[16:21] <GrueMaster> I'm using the phoronix filesystem benchmarks.
[16:21] <ogra> i think actually just producing different bootcharts for different filesystems should already show some markers
[16:21] <GrueMaster> All the fs benchmarking tools in one convenient package.
[16:22] <GrueMaster> Not reliable.
[16:22] <ogra> reliable for boot time measuring
[16:22] <ogra> indeed not for a full filesystem benchmark
[16:22] <GrueMaster> filesystem testing is more than just booting.
[16:23] <ogra> i didnt say it isnt :)
[16:23] <GrueMaster> And my task is to benchmark filesystems.  This seemed the best way.
[16:23] <ogra> but getting a bootchart is a matter of seconds
[16:23] <NCommander> ogra: but bootchart is mostly read and sequencish IO
[16:23] <ogra> sure
[16:23] <NCommander> not nightmarish abuse that phoronix does
[16:23] <GrueMaster> exactly.
[16:23] <ogra> its only one aspect
[16:24] <ogra> but low hanging fruit wrt data gathering
[16:24] <NCommander> invalid datat though.
[16:24] <ogra> no
[16:24] <NCommander> would give us skrewed results
[16:24] <GrueMaster> Our boot performance isn't the issue (actually boot time is very impressive).
[16:24] <infinity> bootcharting (especially with intelligent readahead stuff in play) isn't testing your filesystem at all, just the speed of your disk.
[16:24] <ogra> would give us tendency about reading on different filesystems while the full suite runs
[16:24] <infinity> Since most boot tricks are designed to work AROUND the filesystem. :P
[16:24] <GrueMaster> My panda boots nearly at the same speed as my netbook with SSD.
[16:25] <ogra> from power on to desktop ?
[16:25] <GrueMaster> ogra: You would be looking at a few milliseconds in differences.
[16:25] <GrueMaster> yes.
[16:25] <infinity> And yeah, my Panda boots impressively quickly.
[16:25] <infinity> And then takes 20 minutes to load Firefox while I go for lunch.
[16:25] <ogra> intresting, your netbook must have a slow bios :)
[16:25] <GrueMaster> The u-boot delay is close to the bios init time on my netbook.
[16:25] <ogra> infinity, far from whats possible
[16:25]  * rsalveti waves
[16:26] <ogra> u-boot steals massive amounts of time
[16:26] <rsalveti> should we change u-boot count time for 1, 2 seconds?
[16:26] <GrueMaster> 4 seconds of u-boot countdown.
[16:26] <GrueMaster> currently
[16:26] <GrueMaster> 10 on beagle.
[16:26] <ogra> plus about 10-12 for loading initrd and kernel
[16:27] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: I believe 10 will be fixed in next u-boot upload
[16:27] <GrueMaster> Really?
[16:27] <rsalveti> that should be coming today or tomorrow
[16:27] <rsalveti> nops, it's fast now
[16:27] <rsalveti> 2, 3 secs to load
[16:27] <rsalveti> at least on panda/beagle
[16:27] <rsalveti> because of the multi block read
[16:27] <ogra> oh, then it improved
[16:27] <GrueMaster> ogra: Not sure why you are seeing such slow kernel & initrd load times.  Mine is maybe .5 seconds.
[16:28] <rsalveti> just firefox that's a pita atm
[16:28] <rsalveti> I can make a fresh coffee when I decided to start it
[16:28] <GrueMaster> heh
[16:28] <ogra> GrueMaster, from end of countdown to the "ucompressing kernel" message its .5s ?
[16:29] <GrueMaster> roughly for each, yes.
[16:29] <ogra> i'm surely not seeing such times
[16:29] <infinity> rsalveti: Firefox may as well be the "vicious filesystem test" we're looking for, once it's been used a bit.  Cause loading the profile and parsing history, etc, is just evil on a randomly-accessed/abused SD.
[16:29] <GrueMaster> I'll try to time it with a stopwatch.
[16:29] <ogra> though i havent tried oeniric on my panda yet
[16:30] <rsalveti> infinity: yeah, did you try to profile it already?
[16:30] <GrueMaster> That was true even with natty beta+
[16:30] <ogra> will pull a headless image, thats actually something i want to see
[16:30] <infinity> rsalveti: No, I just plugged in an external hard drive, thus preventing my urge to launch my Panda out the window.
[16:30] <rsalveti> :-)
[16:30] <GrueMaster> headless & netbook should have the same start times prior to mounting rootfs and running init from there.
[16:30]  * ogra just uses chromium :)
[16:31] <NCommander> anything els or can I move on?
[16:31] <GrueMaster> chromium is not on the image.  invalid test procedure.
[16:31] <GrueMaster> move.
[16:31] <ogra> yeah
[16:32] <ogra> well, surely not invalid :)
[16:32] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:32] <GrueMaster> for filesystem abuse?  yes it is if it doesn't do the same thrashing.
[16:32]  * ogra is pretty sure fta likes to get arm bugs from actual users :)
[16:33] <ogra> GrueMaster, no, for having a usable browser :)
[16:33] <infinity> (The real fun is when you start swapping to a swap file on the SD, and realise that you probably would have rather just had the OOM killer pick something at random to slaughter than put up with swapping to the same SD you're trying to randomly read/write to)
[16:33] <ogra> not for FS abuse testing
[16:33] <NCommander> if nothing else will close the meeting out
[16:33] <NCommander> 3
[16:33] <NCommander> 2
[16:33] <davidm> Folks for the ARM Server Project test against USB HD
[16:33] <ogra> infinity, well, tell that to the guy with the 200 page writer document open he just wrote :)
[16:34] <davidm> not SD card time please
[16:34] <infinity> davidm: Yeah, and I'm VERY pleased with the Panda with a USB HDD.
[16:34] <NCommander> thanks davidm
[16:34] <ogra> i rarther wait 20min for my system to return than having OOM kick in in such a case
[16:34] <GrueMaster> davidm: planned on it.
[16:34] <davidm> I do want to figure out the SD card issues but that may be a hardware issue
[16:34] <davidm> and un fixable by us
[16:34] <NCommander> ogra: you can force that by smacking with knobs with sysctl)
[16:35] <davidm> I'm looking forward to next week
[16:35] <ogra> NCommander, i can also have a swapfile and swppiness set to 1
[16:35] <GrueMaster> davidm: The idea behind the filesystem benchmarking & improvement was doing the best with what we have.
[16:35] <NCommander> anyway, can I close the meeting now?
[16:35] <ogra> which gets me the overflow memory on disk
[16:35] <NCommander> guess not
[16:35] <GrueMaster> NCommander: Wait 5.
[16:35] <ogra> instead of stealoing from another app
[16:35] <ogra> close :)
[16:36] <davidm> Close
[16:36]  * ogra doesnt have anything
[16:36] <GrueMaster> done
[16:36] <infinity> davidm: And I concur.  I'm loooking forward to seeing everyone again.  Face-time makes a huge difference sometimes.
[16:36] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:36.
[16:36]  * NCommander goes back to faceplanting


[17:08] <gotwig> hey
[17:08] <gotwig> I just want to ask whats up with your build servers
[17:08] <gotwig> the build time of my packages is unbelievable high
[17:09] <gotwig> about 14 hours
[17:28] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/builders they are busy and have a very large amount of jobs in the queue.
[17:28] <dobey> PPAs are popular, it turns out.
[17:51] <TheLordOfTime> gotwig:  normal lagtime
[17:51] <TheLordOfTime> i once had to wait 26 hours for a build :P
[17:51] <TheLordOfTime> dobey:  yeah they are, any plans on expanding the build farm?
[17:59] <gotwig> there are smart boys, which build a whole OS with PPA's
[23:06] <KombuchaKip> How can I set certain members of my project team so that when they submit translations they don't have to go through a review process, but are automatically accepted?
[23:42] <marko-_-> Hi. I would like to post some serious bugs happening on ubuntu 13.04 but i need some help. I want to do it professionally and offer as much of the information i can so it will be fixed quick
[23:55] <tsimpson> marko-_-: just use the ubuntu-bug tool from an Ubuntu install and it should collect all the needed information for you automatically
[23:58] <marko-_-> tsimpson, what if wireless does work, but not as it should? Will it collect the information?