[00:29] <Exagone313> lordievader: i can't say without a screen of the window that appears (i have an icon on my taskbar and a window is opened when i click on), there is a button that opens a console and it download the flash plugin
[00:30] <Exagone313> (screen => screenshot)
[00:31] <Exagone313> i come back ten-twelve hours later
[01:11] <modernbob> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:11] <modernbob>   kubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <modernbob> ??
[02:04] <kvahgner> --help
[02:04] <kvahgner> help
[02:22] <valorie> kvahgner: help what?
[02:22] <valorie> tell us what you need, and we'll try to help
[02:51] <kvahgner> @valorie.. oh, hello there, lol ( sorry I just saw your response.. heh )
[02:52] <kvahgner> it's been like a decade since i played on IRC anywhere.. I was just trying to re-familiarize myself with the various commands in general..
[02:52] <kvahgner> I thought you could just type '/help' and get a list..
[02:53] <valorie> a list of what, though?
[02:54] <sean____> I heard there is a new version of kde ,when will that roll out?
[02:54] <kvahgner> commands.. like.. how to list channels, etc..
[02:54] <valorie> you can message the bots that way: /msg alis help
[02:54] <valorie> etc.
[02:54] <valorie> if you do a /topic you'll see the links in the topic
[02:55] <valorie> that should answer your questions
[02:55] <valorie> for KDE, try http://kde.org
[02:55] <kvahgner> awesome!  thanks for the refresher :)
[02:55] <valorie> there are the services as well, like /msg chanserv help
[02:56] <valorie> irc is really useful, and freenode does a good job of it
[02:57] <kvahgner> so... /msg  is a 'talk directly to' commanf.. 'alis' and.. 'chanserv' are bots that respond with help info, right?
[02:57] <valorie> ubottu is useful if you want information
[02:57] <valorie> heheh
[02:57] <valorie> well, chanserv is a service, but yes, you can msg it the same as the bots
[02:58] <valorie> you can /msg people as well
[02:58] <valorie> if I did /msg kvahgner some message
[02:58] <valorie> you would see it in a private window
[02:59] <valorie> not encouraged unless you ask first, or it's passing along a phone number or so
[02:59] <kvahgner> comprende
[02:59] <valorie> have fun!
[02:59] <kvahgner> I'm using Quasser.. is that my best bet under Kubuntu?
[03:00]  * valorie goes to find something to eat
[03:00] <valorie> I prefer Konversation, but Quassel is the standard now, yes
[03:00] <kvahgner> does Konversation have a dark theme?  I miss the old days of plain ole text ans ASCII colors..
[03:01] <kvahgner> er.. ans = and
[03:01] <valorie> you theme all of KDE, and the applications will follow the theme
[03:01] <kvahgner> ( don't let me stop you from getting food, lol )
[03:01] <kvahgner> oh, gotcha
[03:01] <valorie> you'll find themes in systemsettings, and you can get more on kde-looks.org
[03:02] <valorie> or kde-look.org
[03:02] <valorie> not sure which
[03:02] <valorie> and irssi is still available, and many people use it
[03:02] <valorie> :-)
[03:03] <kvahgner> ya, I've played with em before.. got my last box looking uber slick then it started overheating on me ( it was a hand me down laptop )
[03:03] <valorie> really afk now
[03:03] <kvahgner> irssi, eh? ( googles)
[03:03] <kvahgner> lol thanks again
[03:17] <Etriaph> Konversation is my favourite IRC client after ircii
[03:33] <TheSaw> hola
[03:33] <TheSaw> hi
[03:33] <kvahgner> /me is messing with irssi
[03:33] <kvahgner> er.. how to you do 'me' things?
[03:34] <kvahgner> /msg alis HELP
[03:34] <kvahgner> hrm..
[03:34] <kvahgner> /topic
[03:35] <TheSaw> spanish?
[03:36] <kvahgner> Sorry.. I don't know a lick of spanish..
[03:36] <Unit193> !es
[03:36] <kvahgner> What he said :)
[03:36] <TheSaw> ok thank
[03:38] <Etriaph> In all IRC it should be /me
[03:54] <kvahgner> huh.. I tried that...
[03:54]  * kvahgner tries is again..
[03:54]  * kvahgner says, "very eeeteresting"
[03:57] <Etriaph> Make sure you haven't preceded it with a space is all.
[03:57] <Etriaph> /me
[03:58] <Etriaph> Or Konversation can make me sad :(
[03:58] <kvahgner> ya.. maybe that's what  did..
[03:58] <kvahgner> I just tried connecting via irssi... and got banned for some reason..
[03:59] <kvahgner> ah well.. it's getting late anyways.. I should probably call it quits for the evening anyways.. thanks fot the help.
[03:59] <valorie> kvahgner: no space before the slash
[03:59] <valorie> try /me is going offline now
[03:59] <valorie> or something
[04:00] <kvahgner> /me thinks he's got it now ;)
[04:00] <kvahgner> $^#$&6
[04:00] <valorie> no space
[04:00]  * kvahgner us laughing at himself
[04:00] <valorie> there ya go
[04:00] <kvahgner> I feel like such a newb, lol.
[04:00] <valorie> you probably can't connect twice with the same nickname
[04:00] <kvahgner> how long does being 'banned' last?
[04:02] <valorie> we were all new once
[04:03] <blizzvor> hello world
[04:03] <blizzvor> quit
[04:04] <kvahgner2> there we go
[04:05] <kvahgner2> think I'll kick qaudrell and lurk via irssi..
[04:09] <kvahgner> /channel
[07:02] <louis__> i cant be logged cause my too difficult pass word?
[07:34] <louis__> j'ai besoin d'aide
[09:13] <aljosa> i have an issue w/ touchpad and based on this bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337190 it's because some package isn't updated in kubuntu. where do i report this and how do i get kubuntu devs to update it?
[10:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:57] <function9> morning
[11:31] <srxavi> Hi!
[11:32] <srxavi> one question: Does anybody know if it's possible to install the oxygen style (32 bit version) in kubuntu 14.04 x86_64?
[12:26] <dexter__> help pls
[12:27] <dexter__> have konversation on linux and don't know change language to english
[12:43] <BluesKaj> dexter try login as a different user and choose your default language in system settings>locale for that user... I can't think of any other method
[12:45] <BluesKaj> oops, missed him..too late again
[13:40] <skinux> Why does Kubuntu keep pupping up a screen icon with a progress bar and making a noise??
[13:42] <Pici> skinux: Sounds like you are pressing a shortcut for screen brightness.
[13:42] <skinux> No, I'm not. It happens even when I'm not at my laptop.
[13:57] <TBotNik> All: Getting errors trying to install gedit on Kubuntu 12.04 LTS.  Errors in PB at: http://pastebin.com/3hP2vBL8.  Have not been able to resolve these issues! Help needed!!!
[14:02] <BluesKaj> TBotNik:  why not use kate ?
[14:06] <rberg> its true kate is pretty great.. but apt is broken now on that system. I would dpkg force remove those libjpeg8 debs for both archs then do a apt-get update and apt-get -f install.. and hope that apt can sort its self out from there
[14:08] <TBotNik> BluesKaj: Been using Gedit with it's developer plugins for over 15 years and can get more done and do not have to learn something new.  I'm working in either BASH, PHP or JavaScript, exclusively!
[14:08] <BluesKaj> TBotNik:  then why ask here, this is kubuntu support
[14:09] <BluesKaj> rberg:  apt is working fine here
[14:10] <rberg> TBotNik: had you run a apt-get update lately? its odd that libjpeg8:amd64 is at 8c-2ubuntu7 and libjpeg8:i386 is at 8d-1 ?
[14:10] <rberg> BluesKaj: I bet it is :) but TBotNik is going to have problems leaving apt in that state
[14:11] <BluesKaj> din't know he broke it
[14:12] <BluesKaj> it pays to update/upgrade periodically, that's for sure
[14:18] <TBotNik> BluesKaj, rberg: Have run both "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade".  The Gedit install said run "apt-get upgrade" so I did, re-ran install, then it said run "apt-get -f install" and those are the errors from that, which I posted.
[14:18] <ShalokShalom> hi there
[14:18] <ShalokShalom> how can i use the super key (windows button) to open K-Menu ?
[14:18] <ShalokShalom> like its default in unity / netrunner and other distros ?
[14:22] <TBotNik> BluesKaj, rberg: I had previously run "dpkg -i teamviewer_linux_x64.deb" from the dir where I downloaded the current TV 64B version from their web site.  That had so many dependency issues that I had to open a ticket with TV support.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> update only sets up the the upgradeable packages to install or upgrade it oesn;t upgrade or install until you use the upgrade command, TBotNik
[14:24] <TBotNik> BluesKaj: Thinking these dep issues may have been caused/set by the TV install, but never had to face this issue before and have no knowledge on resetting dependency trees.
[14:36] <rberg> I cant remember what team viewer deb I installed.. multiarch or not
[14:37] <rberg> says its i386 so must be the multiarch version
[14:37] <BluesKaj> mine is 32 bit , but it doesn't launch
[14:38] <TBotNik> rberg: The TV ver8b works fine in 64B.  Tried to upgrade from there but the "Upgrade" button in TV8b is missing on the dialog box.  That was when I opened the ticket with TV support.
[14:39] <BluesKaj> but I'm on 14.10 :)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> what's the tv version .... higher res?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> anyway I removed it since it's broken here
[14:44] <BluesKaj> team viewer i386 that is
[14:46] <ik_> hi
[14:48]  * BluesKaj wonders what other packages to remove that don't launch or work
[15:02] <ali_> hi
[15:02] <ali_> i am ubuntu user
[15:03] <ali_> and i how to change to kubuntu ??
[15:03] <genii> ali_: The simplest way is to install the package called kubuntu-desktop
[15:04] <genii> ali_: I would also recommend the package lightdm-kde-greeter to go along with it
[15:05] <ali_> tnx but  if like back agian gnom is sinlest??
[15:05] <ali_> simplest
[15:08] <ali_> genii tanx , i can back again??
[15:12] <skinux> Are there any known bugs causing screen brightness to adjust without being told to do so?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> ali_: kubuntu-desktop doesn't remove gnome, yoi choose your desktop at login page
[15:13] <genii> ali_: If the package ubuntu-desktop and all the normal ubuntu parts get removed when you install kubuntu, you can switch back again by installing the ubuntu-desktop package and the unity-greeter package
[15:26] <function9> uhm on the topic it says "Polo Shirts are available again!!" the medium size shirts are out of stock. Any idea when they will be back in stock again?
[15:27] <function9> https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/product/b0d8ffd5397cff4bdf5151bf8b75813b/
[15:27] <genii> function9: That's up to jussi, but he's been extremely busy as of late
[15:28] <function9> oh ok
[16:21] <th3initiat3> hello
[16:22] <pulkit> hi
[16:23] <th3initiat3> linux user ?
[16:23] <pulkit> yep
[16:24] <th3initiat3> klkl, are you regular user of this channel >?
[16:24] <pulkit> no
[16:24] <pulkit> first time after a long time :)
[16:24] <th3initiat3> same, im new to irc
[16:24] <th3initiat3> how do you find channels on irc
[16:25] <pulkit> entertaining!! ;)
[16:25] <Shaan7> usually you'd read that on some website or someone tells you
[16:25] <Shaan7> there is a /list you can do, but its virtually useless
[16:25] <BluesKaj> th3initiat3:  depends on your irc client
[16:25] <th3initiat3> i see
[16:26] <th3initiat3> how long you been using irc ?
[16:27] <pulkit> occasionally
[16:27] <BluesKaj> most channels are named after the linux OS support or chat topic
[16:28] <th3initiat3> i see how the list thing worrks
[16:28] <th3initiat3> and how the channels are structured
[16:28] <th3initiat3> what about proxy is they any need for one ?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> structured?
[16:31] <th3initiat3> organized ?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> by channel names like #kubuntu, #ubuntu #windows etc
[16:34] <skilz> How do I change my session to a different wm/dm?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> do you mean desktop environment or window manager or both?
[16:37] <skilz> Well I just downloaded mate-desktop
[16:37] <skilz> and I want to switch to it
[16:38] <BluesKaj> at login page
[17:16] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:01] <skilz> Is it possible to substitute the name on the selected app from the top left of the bar and change it to a icon picture or a font picture?
[18:01] <skilz> Kinda like how OS X has the apple in the top left
[18:01] <skilz> But I want a tux penguin or ubuntu logo
[18:02] <lordievader> skilz: Could you show a screenshot of what you mean?
[18:05] <skilz> lordievader, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/OS_X_Mountain_Lion_Screenshot.jpg
[18:05] <BluesKaj> skilz:  ask in #ubuntu
[18:05] <skilz> See the Apple icon/logo/button in the to right?
[18:05] <skilz> I am banned for some reason. Strange because I just installed Ubuntu
[18:06] <ikonia> skilz: if you join #ubuntu-ops we can sort out your ban
[18:07] <danikvsn> Is anyone here a kubuntu dev?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> danikvsn:  ask in #kubunty-devel
[18:08] <danikvsn> Thanks
[18:08] <BluesKaj> oops kubuntu-devel
[18:09] <BluesKaj> suddenly dark in here , storms
[18:17] <lordievader> skilz: Ain't the kde desktop already like that?
[18:17] <lordievader> I have a large blue K in my top left corner.
[18:17] <ikonia> lordievader: not in ubuntu unity
[18:18] <lordievader> If people come in here I assume they run Kubuntu...
[18:19] <soee> :)
[18:19] <ikonia> normally a wise assumption, not in this case sadly
[18:20] <lordievader> Guess ppl don't read channel topics... :(
[18:25] <newnick> if it's ubuntu related any 'buntu will do
[18:27] <lordievader> If it is about the core of Ubuntu perhaps, but this seemed very much about the DE.
[18:36] <BluesKaj> It was a hit of sarcasm
[18:39] <lordievader> Sarcasm is allways difficult to spot in text.
[19:42] <acangiani> Hi
[19:42] <acangiani> I am actually using 14.04 and i would like to use the new kde plasma 5 release, can anyone help me out?
[19:43] <lordievader> acangiani: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Using_Project_Neon_5_for_Frameworks_5_Development
[19:46] <acangiani> But plasma 5 today was released as a stable release rigth?
[19:48] <lordievader> Not to my knowledge.
[19:49] <lordievader> Beta2 it seems: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LdFnufljt_IJ:techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl
[19:50] <soee> RC
[19:51] <soee> if you arent experienced user i would suggest to wait till final
[19:51] <lordievader> RC already? Nice.
[19:51] <soee> im using RC atm with Kubtunu 14.10
[19:51] <soee> but there were some issues installing it
[19:51] <soee> and making things work :)
[19:51] <soee> but now it looks nice
[19:52] <soee> the biggest issue is Dolhin not working
[19:52] <soee> 8Dolphin
[19:53] <acangiani> Ohhh, i thought the realease was today, how long i have to wait?
[19:53] <soee> for final release ?
[19:54] <acangiani> yup
[19:54] <soee> it was RC http://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.0-rc.php
[19:54] <lordievader> July 15 I see in the schedule.
[19:54] <soee> yup, also it wont be available in 14.04
[19:54] <acangiani> so 6 mores days. I was so exited :(
[19:54] <soee> only 14.10 i think
[19:54] <lordievader> soee: Project neon5 is available for trusty.
[19:55] <acangiani> but if i install the development version, then it will switch to the stable release?
[19:55] <soee> dev version of ?
[19:55] <acangiani> plasma 5
[19:56] <soee> yes it will be available through ppa, so updates will move you to stable
[19:57] <acangiani> so if i install the realease candidates then when the stable release its out it will upgrade automatically?
[19:57] <lordievader> Yes.
[19:58] <acangiani> if so, how can i install the release candidate?
[19:58] <lordievader> acangiani: See the first link I gave you.
[19:58] <acangiani> Ok
[19:58] <acangiani> thanks for the help :D
[19:59] <soee> acangiani: i suggest to wait few days, some packages you have to install manually, some have dependency problems like kio-extras (no images preview, thumbs etc)
[19:59] <soee> dolphin not working :)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> acangiani: for kubuntu. i'd wait for a few days if you're usingf an intel gpu, there' a few problems with mesa atm
[19:59] <dmatt> hello, I have 14.04 on Elitebook 8470w and when I boot it with lid closed in docking station, it suspends(or enters sleep) right after login prompt in lightdm is shown
[19:59] <soee> BluesKaj: +1
[19:59] <dmatt> I already disabled all lid actions in powerdevil adn also set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in systemd.conf but it didn't help
[20:00] <BluesKaj> soee:  +1 :)
[20:01] <soee> ok guys, mundial now :)
[20:01] <acangiani> yup
[20:01] <dmatt> what else could be making action on closed lid? in 13.10 I did not have such problem
[20:02] <dmatt> aaaaaah, wrong time to ask :)
[20:02] <lordievader> dmatt: I'd see if root has a different power config.
[20:03] <lordievader> dmatt: Besides, anytime is a good time to ask on IRC.
[20:13] <dmatt> lordievader: thanks, how would i check root power config?
[20:13] <lordievader> dmatt: Start the systemsettings utility with kdesudo.
[20:15] <dmatt> lordievader: it says powermanagement module could not be loaded when in root mode
[20:16] <lordievader> dmatt: Hmm, so much for that idea.
[20:16] <dmatt> lordievader:  powermanagement configuration module to be exact
[20:17] <lordievader> dmatt: Perhaps this helps you: http://askubuntu.com/questions/85705/stop-laptop-from-suspending-when-closing-lid-in-lightdm
[20:17] <dmatt> lordievader: I do not think it is kde related
[20:18] <dmatt> checking it now
[20:19] <lordievader> No your right, it probably lightdm.
[20:20] <mojtaba> hello everyone
[20:21] <lordievader> o/
[20:21] <mojtaba> how upgrade kubuntu13.10 to kubuntu14.04??
[20:22] <dmatt> the way I see it there must be a advanced logic somewhere, if lid is closed but docking station present and external monitors connected, do not suspend an this is broken for my notebook (and only for 14.04))
[20:26] <lordievader> mojtaba: sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:27] <lordievader> dmatt: I suppose docking station counts as AC connected?
[20:29] <mojtaba> thank you
[20:31] <dmatt> lordievader: yes, i dasabled lid actions in all scenarios just to be sure
[20:35] <dmatt> lordievader: i'm going to reboot now to test upower solution
[20:38] <dmatt> lordievader: OK, upower was the culprit, now i have to find what could be turn on to get back correct recognition of monitors if I open/close lid
[21:18] <skinux> Can we change background of panel bar without changing desktop background???
[21:27] <rberg> skinux: yes system settings / workspace appearance / desktop theme / details / planel background
[21:30] <rberg> is that what you were looking for?
[21:53] <keithzg> Hmm, seems like oxygen-gtk crashes Meld when you try to do a directory comparison. Changing my GTK2 theme makes it work fine.
[22:10] <thelionroars> has anyone else noticed that they can't use the keyboard in Chromium when Ibus is running?
[22:37] <jussi> thelionroars: yeah, I had same thing
[22:38] <thelionroars> I just quit out of the tray icon, doesn't seem to affect anything


[05:58] <Kilos> hi bushtech welcome back
[05:58] <Kilos> compliments of the season to you
[05:58] <Kilos> hi Squirm theblazehen_ and others
[05:59] <bushtech> Thanks Kilos, all the best to you too
[05:59] <Kilos> where have you bee?
[05:59] <Kilos> been
[06:00] <bushtech> family matters, been in Natal for 5 weeks
[06:00] <Kilos> ah
[06:01] <Kilos> hope all is good
[06:02] <bushtech> yep, sorted
[07:36] <Kilos> morning gremble
[07:37] <gremble> Good morning Kilos
[07:49] <Kilos> ai! geeks are funny peeps
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[07:49] <Kilos> Top News
[07:49] <Kilos> Most pirated TV shows of 2014
[07:49] <Kilos> Torrentfreak has released its annual "most pirated TV shows" list, which is topped by well-known titles
[07:49] <Kilos> Biggest international tech stories of 2014
[07:49] <Kilos> The e-commerce space has a new heavyweight challenger, while the world's biggest Internet company is starting to feel the heat in Europe – these are just a couple of the big stories to emerge in 2014.
[07:49] <Kilos> I don't care that The Pirate Bay is down: co-founder
[07:49] <Kilos> The Pirate Bay co-founder Peter Sunde said that The Pirate Bay had lost its soul, and that he does not care that the website was taken down
[07:52] <Kilos> what soul can a site have?
[07:55] <gremble> The same way that any enterprise can have a mission statement, an interpreted understanding what it is doing and why it is doing it
[07:56] <Kilos> ok so what was lost
[07:56] <Kilos> was it abused or no donations made
[07:57] <gremble> PirateBay was apparently created for the dissemination of information, books, movies, etc
[07:57] <gremble> But it turned more into an advertising platform with very dubious ads. Sunde did not like that
[07:58] <Kilos> aha ty for the explanation
[07:58] <gremble> It made the criminality of the enterprise more glamarous than the point of sharing like a massive library
[07:58] <Kilos> ah that makes sense then
[08:00] <Kilos> glamorous
[08:01] <Kilos> our spelling bot is away
[08:01] <Kilos> spell checker
[08:01] <Kilos> at one time he had time to help everyone with spelling, then life took over
[08:03] <Kilos> gremble: explain what is ibids prob with python3
[08:03] <Kilos> is there no software that can fix that?
[08:04] <Kilos> that backwards thing
[08:09] <gremble> People like to see the "human-ness" in things that we make. They way some people refer to a car as a "she" or we say that the laptop has "died" etc
[08:09] <gremble> #philosophyfortheday
[08:10] <Kilos> backwards compatability
[08:10] <Kilos> what is that?
[08:11] <Kilos> i clicked it and it opened another channel hehe
[08:29] <gremble> There was python 3 changed the way some of the parts of the python language works
[08:29] <gremble> No there was, sorry
[08:29] <gremble> Those changes are incompatible with the way that python 2.7 works
[08:30] <gremble> Meaning 2.7 code can't run in 3 and 3 code can't run in 2.7
[08:30] <Kilos> eish
[09:50] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:50] <magespawn> good afternoon
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:51] <Kilos> allmost
[09:51] <Kilos> almost too
[09:53] <magespawn> close enough for me
[09:57] <Kilos> hehe
[10:02] <Kilos> oh my
[10:42] <Kilos> magespawn: why does your isp keep changing? router?
[11:27] <magespawn> no it should not
[11:27] <magespawn> maybe because i just connected without doing anything
[11:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:33] <magespawn> i am connected through my phone, so it might be the signal,
[11:34] <Kilos> aha
[11:34] <Kilos> you use tor hey?
[11:34] <Kilos> http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjg365
[11:34] <Kilos> they were also attacked
[11:34] <magespawn> sometimes
[11:36] <Kilos> these crackers should be given hard labour
[11:36] <Kilos> or maybe just shot and buried
[11:36] <magespawn> there has also been some talk about being able to identify tor users if you control the node they exit through
[11:36] <magespawn> i think the education is key
[11:38] <Kilos> im really stupid i think, i have seen anything on the net id like to attack for the fun of it
[11:38] <Kilos> havent
[11:38] <Kilos> i dont understand that mentality
[11:40] <Kilos> i can understand (but dont condone) bank robbers and other thieves
[11:40] <Kilos> but what do crackers get out of it
[12:41] <magespawn> the fun of being able to say that they have done something
[12:53] <magespawn> or in is some cases they do it for money or to achieve some political goal
[13:01] <Kilos> that maybe i can understand
[13:01] <Kilos> the greed factor
[13:06] <charl> good afternoon
[13:06] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:06]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:06] <Kilos> hi charl
[13:06] <charl> hi Kilos
[13:06] <charl> how are you this afternoon
[13:06] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[13:06] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[13:06] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[13:06] <charl> good good
[13:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[13:10] <Kilos> Maaz: danke
[13:10] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[13:10] <Kilos> Maaz: botsnack
[13:10] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[13:15] <gremble> o/
[13:15] <Kilos> hehe hiya gremble
[13:15] <Kilos> thats a wave hey?
[13:16] <gremble> Indeed
[13:37] <gremble> It is raining so nicely here now
[13:43] <theblazehen_> eff Android.. http://releases.sailfishos.org/sfa-ea/2014-07-18_SailfishOSHardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit.pdf Challenge accepted!
[13:49] <gremble> :P
[13:51] <theblazehen_> gremble: you ever try sailfish OS?
[13:53] <gremble> Nope
[13:53] <gremble> Only heard about it
[13:53] <theblazehen_> yeah. I really like the look of it.
[13:53] <theblazehen_> I don't like the amount of "TODO" in the porting guide, however :(
[13:54] <gremble> The problem is getting a phone that will play along
[13:55] <theblazehen_> Seems like it uses cyanogenmod drivers
[13:55] <theblazehen_> So as long as your phone runs CM10 it *should* work
[13:55] <theblazehen_> hi bushtech
[13:56] <magespawn> hi all
[13:56] <theblazehen_> hi magespawn
[13:58] <magespawn> they say sailfish is built om meego
[13:58] <magespawn> i wonder if i can just load it straight on to the n900?
[13:59] <theblazehen_> magespawn: They have builds for the Nexus 4
[13:59] <theblazehen_> you hear about the neo900 project?
[14:00] <theblazehen_> Newer hardware, same OS
[14:00] <theblazehen_> meaemo or meego or whichever one it is
[14:02] <magespawn> i like the idea of being able to run what ever i want, i did have android running on my n900 for a bit
[14:02] <theblazehen_> magespawn: hah.  Running maemo on it now, or what?
[14:03] <theblazehen_> I wish they still made good phones with proper keyboards :/
[14:04] <magespawn> yup i reverted it back, the android was a dual boot from the memory card
[14:05] <theblazehen_> ah
[14:07] <magespawn> it had issues with the hardware, somethings worked but not well and others did not work at all
[14:07] <theblazehen_> yeah
[14:09] <theblazehen_> Oh man.. I have more free RAM than free disk space...
[14:09] <theblazehen_> 22 GB free vs 6.4 GB free...
[14:09] <magespawn> oops
[14:10] <theblazehen_> Time for a ramdisk!
[14:10] <magespawn> that is just wrong, i do not have that much ram if i add all of my computers together
[14:10] <theblazehen_> magespawn: I have 32 GB of DDR3 and 2(used to be 3) GB of DDR2 and 256 MB PC-133
[14:11] <theblazehen_> I used to run lots of virtual machines..
[14:11] <theblazehen_> One of my PC's has 3 NIC's plus the onboard..
[14:12] <magespawn> i remember seeing a pci card that could take ram to work as a hard drive
[14:12] <theblazehen_> yeah.
[14:13] <theblazehen_> I see some PCIe SSDs now...
[14:13] <theblazehen_> up to 16 TB ?!
[14:13] <magespawn> now that would be somewhat fast
[14:14] <theblazehen_> magespawn900: Phone?
[14:14] <theblazehen_> magespawn900: somewhat?!
[14:14] <theblazehen_> lemme get the specs..
[14:14] <magespawn> yup from the phone
[14:14] <theblazehen_> I saw that when I looked at the wikipedia page for IOPS..
[14:15] <magespawn> i am betting the cost would be up there with the space station
[14:15] <theblazehen_> heh, yeah...
[14:15] <theblazehen_> one day..
[14:16] <theblazehen_> http://www.fusionio.com/products/iodrive2 not the 16 TB, but check that out..
[14:18] <magespawn> and they specifically list linux as supported
[14:18] <theblazehen_> magespawn900: heh, of course..
[14:18] <theblazehen_> Probably used for high performance databases..
[14:19] <theblazehen_> effing tab complete...
[14:19] <theblazehen_> Goes to your 900 nick :/
[14:19] <magespawn> lol
[14:19] <theblazehen_> Heh, I love chiptunes.. Always references to other artists and stuff..
[14:21] <theblazehen_> lotsa collaboration too, between the bigger artists
[14:24] <magespawn> gotta go be sociable for a bit family have just arrived
[14:25] <theblazehen_> alright, cya
[14:39] <theblazehen_> "pacman -Q | grep android | cut -f 1 -d " "  | xargs sudo pacman --noconfirm -Rcs" Oh CLI, how I love you..
[14:41] <theblazehen_> hi bushtech
[14:44] <theblazehen_> Alright, I'm gonna add my RAM and then make a RAMdisk. I better not get eskomed..
[14:44] <bushtech> hi theblazehen_
[14:49] <Kilos> oi!
[14:50] <theblazehen_> Wb Kilos
[14:50] <Kilos> ty theblazehen_ after days of being connected my modem decided genoeg is genoeg
[14:51] <theblazehen_> Kilos: ouch. What you use now?
[14:51] <Kilos> unplug replug and works again
[14:51] <theblazehen_> Ah
[14:51] <Kilos> i dont understand what causes it though
[14:53] <theblazehen_> Ya
[14:53] <theblazehen_> Sounds like fun problem to fix
[14:53] <Kilos> i think its a bad oke trying to get in here
[14:59] <theblazehen_> When plugging in a HDMI cable dislodges your ram..
[15:09] <bushtech> theblazehen_, you're not supposed to use a crowbar to get the hdmi cable in :)
[15:10] <theblazehen_> bushtech: lol
[15:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:12] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[15:12] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[15:13] <Kilos> needed a reboot to get it going again this time
[15:17] <Kilos> theblazehen_: you here?
[15:17] <Kilos> no nicks are showing as online
[15:18] <theblazehen_> Kilos: ya
[15:19] <Kilos> wow
[15:34] <Kilos> must be #ubuntu-za, other channels show fine
[15:56] <Kilos> wbb
[16:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn you hopping again
[16:04] <magespawn> not this time, just changed to the phone. had to pack up the laptop, dining room table is needed.
[16:06] <Kilos> lol
[16:08] <magespawn> priorities of non pc people
[16:10] <theblazehen_> So my HDMI -> VGA adapter died..
[16:11] <Kilos> ouch that sucks
[16:12] <Kilos> hi bduk
[16:12] <bduk> Hi everyone
[16:12] <bduk> Hi everyone
[16:13] <magespawn> hi bduk
[16:13] <Kilos> lol hakkel jy
[16:13] <magespawn> theblazehen_: vga screen?
[16:13] <bduk> Ag hou op Kilos  dit was kersfees man
[16:13] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> alle voorspoed daar
[16:14] <bduk> Kan nie meer tik nie vakansie was telank
[16:15] <theblazehen_> "Warning:
[16:15] <theblazehen_> Modifying or replacing your device’s software may void your device’s warranty, lead
[16:15] <theblazehen_> to data loss, hair loss, financial loss, privacy loss, security breaches, or other damage, and therefore
[16:15] <theblazehen_> must be done entirely at your own risk. No one affiliated with this project is responsible for your
[16:15] <theblazehen_> actions but yourself. Good luck." wow, thanks...
[16:16] <theblazehen_> magespawn: yeah, 2
[16:16] <theblazehen_> magespawn: one using the normal VGA connector, and one WAS using the adapter
[16:16] <theblazehen_> Wonder if I should just buy a cheap GPU?
[16:17] <magespawn> i see. time for a new screen? does it make a difference if it is hdmi all the way through?
[16:17] <theblazehen_> " At least 4 GiB of RAM (the more the better" I knew 24 GB in one PC was a good idea..
[16:18] <theblazehen_> magespawn: got 2nd one for xmas.. HDMI all the way through?
[16:18] <magespawn> with out the vga adaptor?
[16:19] <magespawn> as in do you see a difference because of the adapter?
[16:19] <theblazehen_> ah, dunno, only the TV has a HDMI connection..
[16:19] <theblazehen_> But I tested the adapter in other PC's, doesn't work
[16:32] <theblazehen_> hi bushtech
[16:39] <gremble> I think the HDMI connectors have more available bandwidth for the high definition screens
[16:39]  * gremble wanders off again
[16:40] <Kilos> haha
[16:43] <theblazehen_> gremble: yeah.. Better quality too
[16:43] <theblazehen_> Displayport still better
[16:45] <gremble> Oreilly is offering free books
[16:45] <gremble> but none of them are nice D:
[16:45] <Kilos> what do you class as a nice book?
[16:53] <gremble> Something that I would want
[16:53] <gremble> I ended up getting something like programming computer vision with python
[16:53] <Kilos> sigh
[16:53] <Kilos> ah thats closer
[16:57] <theblazehen_> gremble: how about http://i.imgur.com/INBvStO.png ?
[17:05] <magespawn> gremble link?
[17:19] <gremble> theblazehen_: I would actually try that xD
[17:19] <theblazehen_> gremble: me too :(
[17:19] <gremble> magespawn: http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zsko8rq94drpmmfel8vj0u6drolp2ihbcme9uljg
[17:20] <magespawn> ty
[17:20] <theblazehen_> gremble: you see the "with his therapist" part? :)
[17:20] <gremble> I did, yes
[17:20] <gremble> :P
[17:20] <gremble> "You might as well kill yourself right now"
[17:22] <gremble> My brother wrote off his car on monday
[17:22] <gremble> The tow-in people stole my sister's tablet from under the seat
[17:23] <theblazehen_> gremble: ouch :(
[17:25] <gremble> I would like to say something to the lines of, "People have no ethics these days" but that would imply that I could name a date where people did not lie and steal from one another
[17:25] <gremble> How do I see the size of a folder in the commandline? :x
[17:26] <theblazehen_> gremble: du -sh $folder
[17:26] <theblazehen_> also: have a look at ncdu
[17:27] <gremble> If I wanted a ncurses interface I would have fired up ranger
[17:27] <gremble> (which I did) xD
[17:28] <theblazehen_> ah :p ty for the tip\
[17:28] <theblazehen_> I need a file manager
[17:28] <theblazehen_> coreutils only do so much..
[17:28] <gremble> That's what she said
[17:28] <theblazehen_> lol
[17:28] <gremble> (not the part about the file manager)
[17:29] <theblazehen_> confession: I've been using filezilla as my graphical file manager
[17:29] <gremble> LOL
[17:29] <gremble> I have thunar if I really need a graphical file manager
[17:29] <theblazehen_> heh
[17:29] <gremble> But ranger is nice. I even have image preview
[17:30] <theblazehen_> in CLI? Does it draw to framebuffer or what?
[17:30] <gremble> Draws with w3m
[17:30] <theblazehen_> ah
[17:30] <theblazehen_> that uses framebuffer IIRC
[17:32] <gremble> It is very nifty
[17:34] <theblazehen_> Yeah
[17:44] <gremble> I ran out of sugar
[17:44] <gremble> I don't have any more money
[17:44] <gremble> haha
[17:44] <gremble> I will now slowly die
[17:48] <nlsthzn> :(
[17:48] <magespawn> boomarang again
[17:49] <gremble> Boomerangs can fly in space... well in the ISS that is
[17:49] <theblazehen_> Anyone here read the xkcd what-if book?
[17:50] <gremble> I recommended it to someone, I think I read all the what-if's on the net
[17:50] <gremble> I found it brilliant
[17:50] <gremble> If I had R400 I would have bought it along with my linguistics book
[17:52] <magespawn> gotta go battery is dying later all
[17:52] <Kilos> oi
[17:52] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:52] <gremble> Cheers magespawn
[17:52] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos
[17:54] <theblazehen_> gremble: boomerang reminded me of that bomb on a boomerang question :p
[17:54] <theblazehen_> I got mine for like R270 i think
[17:55] <theblazehen_> Exclusive Books
[17:56] <Kilos> get sugar first man
[17:57] <gremble> That is how much it is, yes. I bought another book that I really want for R240 I think
[17:58] <theblazehen_> Ah, which was it?
[17:59] <gremble> "the language instinct" by Steven Pinkter
[18:00] <gremble> I want to get the other one as well, "The Stuff of Thought"
[18:00] <theblazehen_> Ah
[18:02] <gremble> Hmm.. I got an MP3 player for christmas, but I don't think it is going to mount correctly for me to transfer music over to it from my laptop
[18:02] <gremble> :/
[18:03] <gremble> It doesn't seem to have a mountable partition
[18:03] <gremble> Oh, it does
[18:15] <gremble> theblazehen_: You don't have a cli program that can report music metadata or organise music according to the metadata?
[18:21] <charl> have a good evening
[18:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:43] <theblazehen_> gremble: Have you tried using the file command?
[18:44] <theblazehen_> Also a keyword to search for is id3 if you haven't came across that yet
[18:46] <gremble> i've been looking around
[18:47] <gremble> I decided to install banshee (i think) and just do what I need to do with that
[19:02] <gremble> My mouse is dying in there are no batteries in this house
[19:02] <gremble> XD
[21:34] <theblazehen_> Hi bushtech
[21:35] <theblazehen_> Oh, got my hour wrong..
[21:57] <bushtech> how?


[03:54] <Sarvatt> bryceh: mind renewing my ubuntu-x-swat membership before I forget over the holidays? :)
[06:14] <bryceh> Sarvatt, sure
[06:15] <Sarvatt> bryceh: thanks a bunch, i know i woulda missed it and we'd both be on forced week holiday for christmas :)
[19:58] <Guest44553> Trying to recompile xorg: apt-get the sources, config, make,  have a binary, swap it out with /usr/bin/Xorg  and it complains : no drivers available, no screens found
[19:58] <Guest44553> do i have to do the drivers too?


[09:29]  * PaulW2U_ counts summaries - 14 done, 12 to do
[17:00]  * PaulW2U_ counts summaries to be done - 7
[18:36] <imnichol> It seems to me that the "Ubuntu is airborn" story and the "Internet of things: Erlebot" story are actually referencing the same thing.
[18:37] <imnichol> Is there a way to combine them?
[18:52] <PaulW2U_> Like that :)
[19:30] <imnichol> Awesome
[19:30] <imnichol> Down to two undone
[19:34] <PaulW2U_> Make that three - I've just added another phone article
[19:34] <imnichol> I saw
[19:44] <imnichol> PaulW2U_, you planning to write it up?
[19:44] <imnichol> I see your cursor on the URL
[19:44] <PaulW2U_> You can take one if you want to
[19:45] <PaulW2U_> or that one even :)
[21:08] <PaulW2U_> jose: All summaries done. I'll be around until about 2300 GMT in case anything new turns up.
[21:08] <jose> PaulW2U_: cool, thanks!


[21:21] <radix> so, karmic changed the default settings for auto-mounting of FAT32-formatted usb keys that I plug in so that the files are world-readable. Since I host my SSH private key on such a usb key, ssh-add fails to work. Is there a way to change the settings so that it auto-mounts this key with permissions restricted to the currently-logged-in user, like it used to do in older versions of Ubuntu?
[21:21] <andreas_> now I've installed grub-pc (which is the grub2 package) and grub and startupmanager are removed...
[21:21] <HoopyCat> oorah:  when dropped, they both fall at approx. the same rate
[21:21] <durt> andreas_ ya, a reinstall of grub2 worked fine for me
[21:21] <andreas_> worked...
[21:21] <wildweathel> durt: Try rebooting but remove quiet and splash from the end of the kernel command line.
[21:21] <wildweathel> So you can see what's happening.
[21:22] <durt> wildweathel, will do
[21:22] <andreas_> is there another app to configure grub2 the way startupmanager did?
[21:22] <oorah> how bout xubuntu beta? in the past i've seen no difference in boot speed
[21:22] <wildweathel> oorah, check out this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases  It might be faster, but there's no guarantees but that it'll be buggy.
[21:22] <guntbert> oorah: install Virtualbox, build a VM and give it a try
[21:22]  * wildweathel seconds guntbert.
[21:23] <Brian_> was there just a big update?
[21:23] <guntbert> wildweathel: seems we scared oorah away - was not My intention
[21:23] <wildweathel> oops. :(
[21:24] <wildweathel> Netsplit?
[21:25] <Brian_> what the hell
[21:25] <guntbert> wildweathel: and the capital M wasn't intentional either :)
[21:25] <wildweathel> Anyway, Brian, I haven't seen a bigger than usual update.  It averages about 100MB of packages a day.
[21:25]  * Crashbit a drogarse → Tetrazepam+dexiubuprofeno+rabeprazol
[21:26] <wildweathel> Or a little less, if you don't upgrade every day.
[21:27] <rom> hi
[21:27] <wildweathel> !test
[21:27] <mersault> is anyone aware of a repo for more up to date xen packages? anyone maintaining a 3.4.1 or 3.4-testing repo anywhere?
[21:36] <wildweathel> mersault, now that the network's back to normal, you might want to re-ask your question.  (Sorry, I don't know)
[21:38] <arakthor> why do so few -dev packages in ubuntu include manpages?
[21:39] <tormod> does anyone know if/where the broken terminal bell has been reported?
[21:39] <wildweathel> I think it has been,
[21:39] <tormod> any idea which package?
[21:40] <wildweathel> bug 77010
[21:40] <tormod> wildweathel, thanks
[21:41] <tormod> well I don't get the beep, just a pop
[21:41] <bjsnider> arakthor, -dev packages only contain developmental headers. look for the manpage for the non-dev package
[21:42] <wildweathel> tormod, does happen when you play music, or only when your computer should be quiet?
[21:42] <tormod> wildweathel, when it should be quiet. music works fine.
[21:44] <tormod> if I trigger a system bell, I hear a loud pop, like something got plugged in, then it doesn't work for a while
[21:44] <tormod> "work" like in making a pop
[21:44] <radix> does anyone know what affects the permissions of an automounted FAT32 USB key when it's plugged in? I assume something in udev. I'd like to get the old behavior pre-karmic, where the permissions were restricted to the current user session, instead of world-readable.
[21:44] <wildweathel> tormod, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-July/009134.html  There's a test kernel there for you to try.  Before you start with that though, this problem can be temporarily fixed by editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.  Comment out the last line and reboot.
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> radix: you can add extra mount options, like uid=1000   makes things nice
[21:45] <radix> ActionParsnip: where do I add those extra mount options?
[21:45] <tormod> wildweathel, uh that's from July. this appeared like 2 days ago. I'll try the alsa-base.conf though
[21:45] <wildweathel> tormod: Does it play sounds after making the pop.  Like if you trigger a bell (POP!) and then start some music, does it play?
[21:46] <tormod> I'll try
[21:46] <wildweathel> Unless you just switched to Karmic, it's probably another problem...
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> radix: when you mount the device
[21:46] <tormod> no I have been running karmic for months :)
[21:46] <SimFire> Hello Guys, do anyone of you have a problem with xorg taking 100% cpu and VT switching beeing disabled after upgrade to Kubuntu Karmic?
[21:47] <radix> ActionParsnip: like I said, the device is auto-mounted when I plug in the usb key. I'm not doing it explicitly.
[21:47] <shane2peru> does anyone know  what package copydir comes with? copydir is a command, but not sure what package to install to get it one my other box.
[21:47] <tormod> wildweathel, actually aplay only gives a pop
[21:47] <SimFire> tried google but found no good solution, only that some arch and debian people also seem to have the same problem with 4.3.2?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> radix: sudo mkdir /media/usb; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb -t vfat -o uid=1000,rw,user
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> radix: you may have to do it explicitly
[21:47] <radix> I'd rather not. :)
[21:48] <radix> That would mean I'd have to plug in the key, unmount it (after it being auto-mounted by udev, or whatever), then remount it with that command line, every time I want to use it.
[21:48] <wildweathel> tormod, How long of a sound file?  The problem I'm familiar with is that Karmic is powering down the soundcard amps.  They might take a second or two to turn back on.  If you only aplay a short clip, the card might not turn on fast enough to hear anything.
[21:48] <radix> I'm pretty sure there must be some way to change the default settings for how karmic auto-mounts a usb key.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> if you arent getting the right access you will have to, you could add it to fstab using its UUID
[21:49] <cybersplice> Evening.
[21:49] <Jordan_U> radix: You can set extra mount options from nautilus, right click the volume and go to properties
[21:50] <cfurlin> I'm having a wireless problem with Karmic beta on a netbook. Wireless works fine when I run the OS from the USB stick, but after installing the OS from the stick, no more wireless. Anyone know why that would be?
[21:50] <radix> Jordan_U: I thought that would be possible, but I don't see anything about mount options in that window.
[21:50] <tormod> wildweathel, could be that. I play a longer piece, and starting/stopping makes a pop if I pause it too long
[21:50] <wildweathel> but, do you get sound when you play something longer?
[21:51] <Jordan_U> radix: The settings drop down in the disk or volume tabs
[21:52] <tormod> wildweathel, yes I get sound then, but with a pop when I resume after a long pause
[21:52] <wildweathel> Lets see if changing alsa-base.conf fixes it.
[21:52] <radix> Jordan_U: I don't have either of those tabs. I'm navigating to /media with nautilus and right-clicking on the mount point and going to "Properties". Maybe I need to navigate to the properties window some other way?
[21:53] <tormod> wildweathel, seems like threshold is between 10 and 15 seconds (of pause=
[21:53] <Jordan_U> radix: Go to Places > Computer
[21:53] <wildweathel> tormod: Default in alsa-base.conf is to power down after 10 seconds.
[21:53] <radix> Jordan_U: aha, okay.
[21:53] <tormod> wildweathel, aha
[21:54] <grusum> I seem to be stuck at 2.6.31-12 even tho 2.6.31-13 and 14 are in /var/cache/apt/archives... anyone know how to update to newer kernels ?
[21:54] <radix> Jordan_U: hmm... still no difference. I only see the usual tabs that I get with any folder. Basic, Emblems, Permissions, Open With, and Notes. nothing about mount options.
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> grusum: tell apt-get to install it
[21:54] <joaopinto> grusum, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:55] <radix> Jordan_U: I'm also totally up-to-date on karmic; I just updated half an hour ago.
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> grusum: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.31-13-generic
[21:55] <grusum> have used Synaptic Pkg Manager but never requires reboot nor do it evidently install it...
[21:56] <SimFire> Any Kubuntu Karmic user who have this 100% CPU xorg problem after upgrade? http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=81798 ?
[21:56] <Jordan_U> radix: Do you see an icon on the desktop for your thumb drive? The key is that it's a property of nautilus's idea of the volume, not a property of the directory that happens to be the mountpoint
[21:56] <tormod> wildweathel, yes it was the powerdown option. thanks a bunch!
[21:56] <rom> there is no remaining battery prediction
[21:56] <rom> anymore :(
[21:57] <radix> Jordan_U: yeah, there's a volume icon on my desktop when I plug it in too. right-click -> properties on that is the same. Tabs are: Basic, Emblems, Permissions, Notes.
[21:57] <radix> Jordan_U: If you're seeing something different with a usb thumb drive then something's pretty strange...
[21:57] <wildweathel> tormod: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-July/009134.html for bug-report instructions.  The test kernels are only for 64 bit, so if you're on 32, that will be it for now.
[21:57] <tormod> yes I am on 32bit
[21:58] <Jordan_U> radix: That's how it is in Jaunty, if it's not that way in karmic Gnome either removed the feature or more likely it's a bug
[21:58] <dupondje> hmz, sdems like I can't open PDF documents anymore
[21:58] <dupondje> the link to 'document viewer' is gone
[21:58] <dupondje> any idea how to put it back ?
[21:59] <radix> Jordan_U: oh, you're running jaunty still? yeah, I think I seem to remember seeing mount options in older versions of Ubuntu.
[21:59] <radix> that's why I was kind of lost after upgrading to karmic.
[21:59] <thiebaude> dupondje, do you have evince installed?
[21:59] <BluesKaj> has anyone managed to remove/purge pulseaudio modules from his/her setup , without wrecking alsa ?
[22:00] <dupondje> thiebaude: yep
[22:00] <radix> Jordan_U: it may have been removed since the bigger focus on udev in this release (?)
[22:00] <wildweathel> dupondje: Try running evince in a terminal.
[22:00] <wildweathel> Does it open?
[22:00] <Jordan_U> radix: Oh, now I remember. I think you can change mount options in Palimpsest
[22:01]  * radix apt-cache search
[22:01] <radix> nothing...?
[22:01] <dupondje> wildweathel: yep, without problem
[22:01] <Jordan_U> radix: It's installed by default in karmic, don't remember what the menu entry is named
[22:01] <radix> oh, typo
[22:01] <wildweathel> dupondje: Okay, now if you right-click on a pdf?
[22:02] <radix> Jordan_U: ah, "Disk Utility". Yeah, I already came across that, and couldn't find any place in it to change m ount options.
[22:02] <grusum> actionParsnip: when I do sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic it says  "That 2.6.31-14 is already the newest version" but uname -r says I's using -12
[22:02] <dupondje> wildweathel: the link seems back ...
[22:02] <wildweathel> Link?
[22:03] <dupondje> well pdf evince ... :)
[22:03] <dupondje> file association :)
[22:03] <wildweathel> Oh, it works now?  Don't sneeze!
[22:03] <radix> Jordan_U: it only lets me... change the filesystem type and the label. and delete the volume or make it bootable.
[22:03] <radix> Jordan_U: by the way, thanks very much for chatting about this :)
[22:04] <Jordan_U> radix: np, hopefully I can find something helpfull to say eventually :)
[22:04] <Trizicus> After installing Ubuntu and trying to boot in Vista and restarting and trying to boot into vista again the Vista loading screen appears then my computer just reboots. How could I fix this?
[22:04] <ubox> has anyone else experienced a problem with firefox 3.5? not automatically knowing what to open things with
[22:05] <mersault> is anyone aware of a repo for more up to date xen packages? anyone maintaining a 3.4.1 or 3.4-testing repo anywhere?
[22:05] <grusum> anyone help with updating to newer kernel??/ I seem to be stuck at 2.6.31-12 ??? even though apt-get says 2.6.31-14 is already installed
[22:05] <dupondje> grusum: try to run update-grub
[22:05] <radix> Jordan_U: do you have any suggestions on packages I might file bugs or ask Questions against in launchpad?
[22:05] <ldeveaux> hello! I'm using Kubuntu Karmic Beta. How can I force all connections to pass through a SOCKS 5 proxy? thanks in advance
[22:05] <ubox> grusum, .. beat me to it dupondje
[22:06] <RediXe> wildweathel, well, I just realized that I didn't update after installing >< going to see any updates will help with the dual monitor and gnome-display-properties
[22:06] <grusum> aha - says my /usr is broken
[22:06] <wildweathel> RediXe, good idea! ;)
[22:06] <wildweathel> grusum, could you pastebin?
[22:06] <Trizicus> After installing Ubuntu and trying to boot in Vista and restarting and trying to boot into vista again the Vista loading screen appears then my computer just reboots. How could I fix this?
[22:07] <grusum> wildwathel - never have done it before... this first time here tooo.....
[22:07] <wildweathel> !pb | grusum
[22:08] <dupondje> long live ubuntu :)
[22:08] <dupondje> trying to fix Windows installation here
[22:08] <dupondje> it gives 'Error while installing
[22:08] <dupondje> great error description ;)
[22:08] <wildweathel> dupondje, the Windows installer?
[22:09] <dupondje> just windows crap :) no ubuntu involved :p
[22:09] <dupondje> btw, somebody has Thunderbird installed ?
[22:10] <dupondje> need to get something confirmed :)
[22:10] <Trizicus> After installing Ubuntu and trying to boot in Vista and restarting and trying to boot into vista again the Vista loading screen appears then my computer just reboots. How could I fix this?
[22:10] <wildweathel> Trizicus, did you install Vista first?
[22:10] <Trizicus> yes
[22:11] <wildweathel> Did you resize the partition?
[22:12] <dupondje> Trizicus: but you get Vista boot screen ?
[22:12] <SimFire> just killed xorg and now cpu usage for xorg is back to normal in kde, which is good, but i don't know what the problem is?
[22:12] <Trizicus> Yes I get the bootscreen then the computer just restarts
[22:12] <dupondje> SimFire: try checking xorg logs
[22:12] <dupondje> Trizicus: try safe mode ?
[22:12] <Trizicus> Same thing
[22:12] <Trizicus> Vista cant even repair itself with the DVD
[22:13] <dupondje> Trizicus: its time to fully move to Ubuntu then ;)
[22:14] <Trizicus> This is basically my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552398
[22:14] <ubox> scary, i tried to see my display settings and everything went nuts, grew large and unresponsive
[22:15] <ubox> i guess next time i will use nvidia's tools
[22:16] <wildweathel> Trizicus, if the DVD doesn't repair, I don't see what your options are other than re-installing Vista or asking MS's tech-support.  (Oh, they'll love you...)
[22:16] <Trizicus> nty
[22:16] <Trizicus> it's an obv vista problem
[22:17] <lucas_> hello i have a problem! http://paste.ubuntu.com/293460/
[22:17] <lucas_> i dont know whats wrong
[22:19] <wildweathel> lucas, My Spanish is bad, but it looks like dpkg is broken.  Anyone here know how to deal with that?
[22:19] <lucas_> no idea about it??
[22:20] <wildweathel> Fortunately, I haven't run into anything like that yet.
[22:20] <lucas_> guys?
[22:22] <Vipan> Hi all
[22:23] <joebodo> !hi | vipan
[22:23] <Vipan> I wonde if any of you have had any issues when upgrading Jaunty to Karmic Beta ?
[22:23] <wildweathel> lucas, the first thing I'd want to do is get the english error message and google it.
[22:24] <joebodo> lucas
[22:25] <joebodo> lucas normally, running if sudo apt-get update fails, it will tell you want to run to fix the error
[22:25] <yofel> jussi01: wildweathel: lucas_ is already gone...
[22:25] <yofel> joaopinto: ^^^
[22:26] <Jordan_U> radix: Looks like the package that provided that functionality for nautilus was gnome-mount, which indeed uses hal
[22:26] <wildweathel> Too bad.
[22:26] <radix> Jordan_U: I think this might be something about the switch to devicekit-disks?
[22:26] <Jordan_U> radix: Yes, since hal is depricated, so are utilities that depend on hal, like gnome-mount
[22:27] <radix> ahhh, right, ok.
[22:27] <radix> Jordan_U: so, I'm currently composing a Question for devicekit-disks on launchpad
[22:28] <Vipan> i heard about changes to ext4 in Karmic, did anyone notice a performance difference on that ? and also, is Karmic that much faster as some people claim or is it just like always ?
[22:28] <ubox> vipan, i think it is very much faster
[22:28] <ubox> especially start up
[22:28] <yofel> Vipan: the ext4 changes for karmic are more stability than performance related, but boot is definitely faster now
[22:29] <joaopinto> Vipan, karmic just uses ext4 as default, ext4 was already available on jaunty
[22:29] <wildweathel> Vipan, boot is faster, but it downloads just as slow over Roadrunner :p
[22:30] <joebodo> Vipan, from what i know, you need to do a fresh install to get the full benefits of ext4 (and you'll get grub2 also)
[22:30] <joaopinto> well, is not about a fresh install, but an ext4 formatted filesystem :P
[22:30] <NoelJB> dtchen, do you have an open bug on the fact that the "beep muted on boot" bug is back?
[22:30] <joebodo> joaopinto, i suppose you could convert each file system over manually
[22:31] <joaopinto> joebodo, you can, but you don't get the performance improvement
[22:31] <joebodo> joaopinto, so i guess that leaves a fresh install as about the only optin
[22:31] <joebodo> *option*
[22:32] <joaopinto> joebodo, not really, you can backup your data, reformat as ext4 and restore
[22:32] <joaopinto> joebodo, which actually is the required option for /home
[22:33] <joebodo> joaopinto, got it  - thx
[22:34] <radix> Jordan_U: In case you're curious, I've filed the question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-disks/+question/85848
[22:34] <radix> Jordan_U: thanks again for the guiding :)
[22:35] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:37] <ubox> general computing question
[22:37] <ioka> guys I can not install the beta 9.10 from the usb drive
[22:37] <ioka> it gives me I/O error
[22:37] <ubox> my laptop supports 2gb 667mhz ram, it has 1gb 3xxmhz currently. will one 2gb @667mhz see a large performance boost?
[22:38] <joaopinto> !ot | ubottu
[22:38] <ioka> I try to change to ext3 also.Same thing I/O error
[22:38] <ubox> or is two 1gb667 sticks better?
[22:38] <joaopinto> ubox, try #hardware
[22:38] <ioka> maybe ubuntu copies the files from the usb drive too fast and my usb pen can not handle it.Any ideas?
[22:39] <yofel> ioka: did you verify the cd image with md5sum after downloading it, or did you check it before booting it?
[22:39] <ubox> thanks joapinto
[22:39] <ioka> this happens at 45% of installation
[22:39] <ioka> there is no md5sum for the beta iso
[22:39] <yofel> ioka: yes, that can happen with a bad image
[22:39] <yofel> ioka: there is
[22:39] <ioka> where I can not find it
[22:40] <sebsebseb> ioka: installing the beta now hmm when the release is not that far away
[22:40] <sebsebseb> maybe better to just wait untill the relase
[22:40] <ioka> 2 weeks?
[22:40] <yofel> ioka: you might want to try a daily image
[22:40] <sebsebseb> 29th October
[22:40] <yofel> !daily | ioka
[22:40] <yofel> ioka: with this you won't have to install that many updates
[22:41] <ioka> what is the different between tht two links?
[22:41] <ioka> *difference
[22:41] <yofel> ioka: one is the text mode install, one is the live disk
[22:41] <ioka> ok do not what text mode is, so I'll try the live install
[22:42] <ioka> 10x
[22:45] <yofel> ioka: and for the next time: on the beta page, when you get to the download page with the iso files there are md5 and sha checksum files on top of the list
[22:47] <douglasawh-work> did anybody else see Linux Outlaws' Dan post to identi.ca about install problems? has anyone else seen similar?
[22:47] <ioka> I download not from this page.I used mirror I think.One question.I have a amd athlon .How can I check weather if it is full 64 bit processor, so I can use the advantages from the ubuntu 64?
[22:48] <yofel> ioka: not sure... depends on what athlon it is.
[22:50] <ioka> windows says amd athlon(tm) 64 processor 3200+
[22:51] <ubox> that is 64bit ioka
[22:52] <ubox> if in doubt try out the 64bit live cd
[22:52] <ubox> but that is the same as mine
[22:53] <ioka> there are no mirrors for the daily builds, right?
[22:53] <ubox> yes.. one sec
[22:53] <ubox> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:55] <ChogyDan> anyone know the process by with one could fix a ftbfs error?  Fixing compile errors sounds easy enough, but I really don't know the process.  I assume that I can apt-get source the packages, run the make file, fix the errors, but then what?
[22:56] <yofel> ChogyDan: if you want to build a package locally, you run apt-get source <package> , go into the source directory and run 'debuild' there, that will compile the app and build the .deb files
[22:57] <yofel> ChogyDan: you'll get signature failures at the end, you can ignore those
[22:57] <ChogyDan> yofel: ok.
[22:58] <Amaranth> ChogyDan: If you fix the problems make a diff of your changes
[22:59] <Amaranth> ChogyDan: What I do in those cases is fix the problems then rename the directory to foo-0.1.1.new then apt-get source foo again which will give you a new foo-0.1.1
[22:59] <Amaranth> ChogyDan: then you can diff the two (but be sure to only diff the files you edited)
[22:59] <ChogyDan> Amaranth: ok
[23:01] <Sh4wn> Ok guys, I did a "partial upgrade" because a lot of updates came in recently, but now my karmic installation is broken. I tried to fix it, by going into recovery mode, and run dpkg fix. Unfortunateley, networking doesn't work, so dpkg can't get any packages. I tried to run the net root, connect to my wireless by running iwconfig wlan0 essid "My SSID", iwconfig wlan0 ap mac-address, dhclient wlan0, but dhclient doesn't get any DHCPOFFER's, so no network. ->
[23:01] <Sh4wn>  can't fix my installation
[23:02] <ChogyDan> ls
[23:02] <ChogyDan> oops, wc
[23:04] <Sh4wn> why does the netroot have no networking?
[23:04] <Sh4wn> with only wireless available
[23:04] <RussellAlan> I think Karmic is reading my mind.
[23:04] <RussellAlan> It's altering settings when I think about altering them.
[23:05] <jemark> since one of the latest update i have sometimes a system beep and i can't turn it off :(
[23:06] <NoelJB> yofel, not to mention having to get the build dependencies for that package.
[23:06] <jemark> when I turn the laptop off and when there is a warning... it's veryy load
[23:06] <jemark> loud
[23:06] <yofel> NoelJB: oops, yes ^^
[23:07] <Sh4wn> anybody an answer on my question? :)
[23:08] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: have you thought about using a livecd?
[23:08] <Sh4wn> and then reinstalling ChogyDan ?
[23:09] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: well, no, I was thinking of just fixing the apt/dpkg errors you were having
[23:09] <NoelJB> Sh4wn, I don't suppose starting with DON'T DO THAT (partial upgrades) unless you really really really know you're sure helps?
[23:10] <Sh4wn> Ubuntu actually came with it, I though it would be the best way
[23:10] <NoelJB> Sh4wn, one problem is that the wireless networking is probably waiting to be told by the network manager to start, and that would be kicked off by the gnome session.
[23:10] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: you should be able to bootup, chroot into your drive, and then run apt upgrade, reconfigures whatever
[23:10] <Sh4wn> ChogyDan ah ok
[23:11] <Sh4wn> will try, but I don't have any empty cd's at the moment, should order some new :')
[23:11] <Sh4wn> NoelJB is it possible to start it manually?
[23:11] <RussellAlan> ound through flash players in the browser doesnt work.
[23:11] <RussellAlan> Sound*
[23:11] <RussellAlan> Anyone know what this can be caused from
[23:11] <RussellAlan> Firefox*
[23:11] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: I use usb drives and rw cds  :(
[23:12] <phako> if totem or wine apps always change my desktop settings (from external monitor only to extended on notebook and external) - against what package exactly would I file a bug?
[23:12] <NoelJB> Sh4wn, drop by #nm.  answer is yes, but the person best able to tell you how is there right now.
[23:15] <RediXe> wildweathel, If your still around .. after updating I got dual monitors :) ... but I seem to have lost the option to rotate the monitor to the left or right .. only normal and upside down ... would like to rotate one to the left .. any idea's on how to do this?
[23:16] <ioka> is unetbootin reliable for making live usb with ubuntu under windows? maybe unetbootin is causing problems and that's why I can not install it from the usb
[23:18] <alteregoa> ok i use almost lunatic lemur, and i have a problem
[23:22] <Uschi_> hi there, I experience a painful slow wireless networking with karmic, using ipw3945
[23:26] <RediXe> wildweathel, oh yeah - that update helped a lot :P just missing the rotate left/right option and the 2nd monitor seems to flicker on and off every so often (didn't do that before)
[23:27] <joseantoniordlmc> hi
[23:28] <komputes> How do you disable the X buffer/paste (middle click, or R+L =middleclick emulation) in Kasrmic? (w/o editing xorg.conf since it doesn't exist)
[23:30] <joseantoniordlmc> does anyone know hot to enable the desktop effects
[23:31] <joseantoniordlmc> ia alredy installed the nvidia drivers
[23:32] <joseantoniordlmc> does anyone know how to enable the desktop effects
[23:33] <bjsnider> system>preferences>appearance>visual effects
[23:34] <chuck_phl> Anyone here dual boot windows 7 and 9.10?
[23:43] <phako> chuck_phl: yes, me
[23:45] <chuck_phl> phako: No issue with W7 bootloader taking a crap?  I had to screw with DISKPART and boosec to just get w7 booting again, I never saw the grub loader, both OS's wouldnt work
[23:46] <chuck_phl> phako: I have an odd disk setup I guess, 3 drives 2 in a RAID and 3rd just a JBOD single
[23:48] <_tuxxy> any news on the flash problem yet guys
[23:50] <ioka> what flash problem?
[23:50] <thiebaude> _tuxxy, i didn't know there was a flash problem
[23:50] <_tuxxy> the 64-bit flash doesnt work properly
[23:50] <_tuxxy> the adobe plugin
[23:51] <_tuxxy> youtube videos wont respond to liek the play and time trackers and also on other flash pages it doesnt recognize any clicks
[23:52] <ioka> yes i have one . it says corruped package bad consistency.I do not know how to fix it.Dicided to leave it that way
[23:52] <_tuxxy> anyone here on 64-bit try flash on youtube quick
[23:54] <chuck_phl> is there a wubi for 9.10? I guess i'm too retarded to install linux the old fasioned way lol
[23:54] <ioka> there is a wubi in every live iso
[23:54] <thiebaude> !wubi
[23:54] <ioka> just open it with demon tools
[23:55] <ioka> and activate wibi
[23:55] <chuck_phl> thx
[23:56] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: You make me sad. :(
[23:56] <_tuxxy> maybe i should make a bug for this flash error then but the flash plugin im using is adobe 64-bit and dont think its in the repos =/
[23:59] <chuck_phl> leaf-sheep: why's that leaf? cause I just spent a few hours getting my windows 7 to boot again after ubuntu borked my bootloader with no error messages or anything working.  all the info I google has help for 9.04 + vista/7 or simpler installs
[23:59] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: You called linux retarded. :(


[01:02] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: I'm really not sure what's the cheapest option that comes with Ubuntu pre-installed
[01:04] <ChinnoDog> It doesn't have to be pre-installed, it just has to be cheap and work correctly with Ubuntu.
[01:05] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: I'll do some digging
[01:07] <ChinnoDog> It would provide a path of low resistance, especially it was cheap enough everyone had one.
[01:07] <ChinnoDog> Just like in schools these days. Everyone has the same hardware. Knowledge transfer in that scenario is very efficient.
[15:08] <adom> marcoceppi: thanks for llink, will check in a sec
[15:30] <adom> those laptops are enticing, but they look far from slim...
[15:30] <adom> ChinnoDog: marcoceppi probably has a better answer, but that EEE pc I had ran Ubuntu like a charm and was only like $350 new back then. probably like $250 for similar model now.
[15:31] <adom> i used all the flashy compiz stuff and wine and everything worked damn well
[15:49] <ChinnoDog> The problem with refurb is you can't tell everyone to just buy one. Their availability is always iffy. Plus, people like shiny new things.
[15:58] <adom> yeah good point. +5 for "shiny new things"
[16:25] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I should build uber cheap Ubuntu baseline device. idk if there is an actual demand though.
[16:38] <ChinnoDog> I want to build an anti-tablet. No touch screen or even a mouse. Keyboard navigation only.
[16:46] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: sounds like you want ratpoison
[17:03] <ChinnoDog> I googled it. I like their idea, but it is ugly.
[18:10] <ChinnoDog> Let's put this Ubuntu hour on the calendar so it can happen
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> adom: You have the furthest to drive. Nominate your favorite day.
[18:19] <ChinnoDog> If it doesn't happen on the weekend it should happen late enough on a week day that people can metro here.
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> Realistically the cheapest Ubuntu hardware is probably a tablet with an on-screen keyboard.
[18:55] <ChinnoDog> Meaning no Touch. Ubuntu desktop with semi permanent keyboard on display.


[07:56] <Mo00ms> is it out yet
[12:20] <McPeter> hi all
[12:21] <McPeter> just in case, gospch is maybe a bot
[12:25] <rww> McPeter: Any particular activity that makes you think so?
[12:30] <McPeter> he use anti remove
[12:30] <McPeter> no response to ping
[12:31] <McPeter> yesterday i forward him to #fix_your_conenction for many deco/reco
[12:31] <McPeter> and today when i purge forwerd he join less 2 secondes
[12:31] <McPeter> (sorry for my poor english .. i'm french)
[12:31] <McPeter> forward*
[12:32] <McPeter> and when i search on google i see many logs irc and never he speak
[12:32] <McPeter> after maybe i'm wrong :)
[12:33] <McPeter> he is present on #freenode / #ubuntu / #css and before #ubuntu-fr
[12:34] <rww> Sounds like someone who prefers idling to talking, and who has an auto-rejoin script on, to me. No way to tell, since they're not replying.
[12:34] <McPeter> not simple auto rejoin .. he auto rejoin on /remove
[12:35] <McPeter> it's ... special
[12:35] <Mamarok> McPeter: ban and see if somebody complains
[12:35] <McPeter> yes i ban it ..
[12:35] <McPeter> i just say in because he is present on #ubuntu too :)
[12:35] <Mamarok> if it is a real person, s/he will complainb, a bot likely not
[12:35] <McPeter> yes
[12:36] <Mamarok> good, I will talk to the ops for #ubuntu about that, thanks for notifying
[12:36] <McPeter> u're welcome
[12:37] <bazhang> :)
[14:15] <DJones> Just wondering about the logging of channels, I remember the discussions about IRSeekBot a while back and the irseek.com website, just came across another one that seems to do the same thing logging #ubuntu and wondered whether it was an authorised one or not www.ircanswers.com
[14:17] <erUSUL> DJones: it was discussed in irc council last meeting
[14:17]  * erUSUL goes looking for the log ...
[14:17] <DJones> erUSUL: ok, cheers, just thought it was worth mentioning in case it was an unauthorised log/search
[14:18] <DJones> Don't worry about the log
[14:20] <erUSUL> ok
[15:42] <m4v> DJones: is authorised, look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots at the bottom of the page
[22:30] <Gryllida> The topic in #ubuntu to includes "Ubuntu 10.04 (lucid) is released! " with non-capital "L" in Lucid, is this intentional or needs a fix? it's official name in real end
[22:30] <kklimonda> lucid is a code name
[22:32] <Gryllida> oops... well anyway, my question is whether it's "Lucid" or "lucid"
[22:34] <kklimonda> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) would look better imo.
[22:35] <Gryllida> don't know, am I right asking it here, or should I take it to the -ops channel
[22:36] <Gryllida> I have same opinion
[22:36] <kklimonda> nah, here is good enough I think.. /me wonders why is he still on the channel.. hmm.. ;)
[22:36] <jussi> fixed
[22:37] <Gryllida> thanks


[19:27] <wesdom> any updates to Karmic lately
[19:28] <wesdom> ami ami-1515f67c
[19:28] <wesdom> fyi, i hadn't had any issues
[19:42] <erichammond> wesdom: As far as I know, that's the latest 32-bit server AMI for Karmic.  I try to keep the latest ids listed on http://alestic.com
[20:05] <wesdom> thanks erichammond I new it was in beta, going to go prod with my instance soon
[20:18] <steveb> erichammond: a colleague of mine who has just started using AWS wanted me to pass on to you that he thought your ec2 docs and articles are the most easy to read and informative that he has seen


[02:34] <psusi> so I have a collection of bugs returned from searchTasks() and I'm trying to do for bug in bugs: bug.newMessage(content=message) and I'm getting an exception saying AttributeError: 'Entry' object has no attribute 'newMessage'
[02:35] <wgrant> psusi: searchTasks returns bugtasks, not bugs.
[02:36] <wgrant> for task in foo.searchTasks(...): bugtask.bug.newMessage(...)
[02:40] <lifeless> psusi: I'm curious what you're writing
[02:42] <psusi> lifeless, a script to close out all bugs on a removed package at once ;)
[02:43] <psusi> wgrant, don't you mean task.bug.newMessage()?
[02:43]  * micahg would be worried about such a script being abused
[02:44] <wgrant> psusi: Yes.
[02:44] <StevenK> micahg: Use it against firefox? Sounds fun.
[02:45] <micahg> StevenK: heh, I have 2 sources to clean after natty release, but I need to make sure that the ones that need to be open stay open
[02:47] <psusi> ahh, I see.. yes.. of course, the status is a property of the task, but messages get added to the bug the task is a part of
[02:48] <psusi> by the way, is there a way to speed things up?  it seems to take forever setting the status in a for loop, I guess because each assignment results in a http call to the server
[02:48] <psusi> be nice to batch up the requests
[02:50] <psusi> staging is mirrored from live once a day right?
[02:50] <wgrant> Once a week, more or less.
[02:51] <psusi> ahh
[02:58] <psusi> this is weird... bug.bug.newMessage() works, but bug.status = 'Invalid' silently fails.. the bugs get the comment but the status is still new
[02:58] <StevenK> psusi: Do you call task.lp_save()?
[02:59] <psusi> doh... I thought there was some sort of save I did last time.. this time i"m saving the script instead of just doing it in an interactive python session ;)
[03:08] <psusi> well, it is taking quite a while, but it is indeed closing out the 168 open bugs in usplash... now to get to the other open status's than New
[03:08] <psusi> 239 total open bugs... hooray for automation
[03:21] <psusi> hrm.. https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/BuildScores specifies how build priority is calculated for the -proposed pocket, but when I tried to upload a package to my ppa for lucid-proposed, I got: Rejected: PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket.
[03:21] <StevenK> -proposed is only for the distribution itself
[03:22] <psusi> why?
[03:23] <psusi> can't I test build it in my ppa fist?
[03:23] <StevenK> Yes, but it's a little complicated, since your PPA also needs to pull from proposed.
[03:24] <wgrant> PPAs don't have pockets, you can't upload to -proposed.
[03:24] <wgrant> So you have to change the series in the changelog for a PPA upload.
[03:24] <psusi> hrm... oh well, I just changed it back to lucid to upload to the ppa
[03:26] <micahg> actually, you can just set ~/.dput.cf to upload to lucid and ignore the release/pocket in the changelog
[03:26] <psusi> ok, this is frigging goofy... this is the third time I've run this script to close out the bugs and each time it seems to leave some....it is down to only 18 now but...
[03:26] <micahg> psusi: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Using%20packages%20from%20other%20distributions
[03:26] <wgrant> psusi: Try listfying the collection before you iterate over it.
[03:27] <psusi> wgrant, why?
[03:27] <wgrant> psusi: Otherwise it might try to grab it in batches... and the batches will have mutated because you're removing all the bugs from the first batch.
[03:27] <psusi> aha!
[03:27] <wgrant> So launchpadlib grabs 1-50, removes them from the list.
[03:27] <wgrant> Then grabs 51-100
[03:27] <wgrant> But those are now 1-50
[03:28] <psusi> goofy!
[03:28] <wgrant> Yes.
[03:28] <wgrant> Very.
[03:28] <psusi> so bugs = list(package.searchTasks(status='New')?
[03:29] <wgrant> Please call it 'tasks' or similar instead :)
[03:29] <wgrant> But yes.
[03:29] <psusi> k
[03:30] <psusi> ahh good, then I should also be able to append more searchTasks on the other status'... .append() doesn't seem to work on the task collection
[03:33] <psusi> so when is staging next going to be mirrored? :)
[03:34] <wgrant> Should be over the weekend.
[03:35] <psusi> ok... I'll run this again after the next mirror just to make double tripple sure it's correct before turning it loose on live
[08:15] <Daviey> Hello! i386 PPA builders seem wedged?  11 hour queue
[08:16] <Daviey> wedged is the wrong word, because some seem to be working. :/
[08:16] <wgrant> Daviey: Most of them are off doing other things.
[08:16] <wgrant> Have been for a few days.
[08:17] <Daviey> oh, jolly good :)
[08:17] <wgrant> I'll poke people to give them back, once London wakes up.
[08:17] <Daviey> thanks wgrant
[08:32] <nigelb> hrm, I forget who we poked during dev week, but if anyone wants to talk about how lp would help app devs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek
[08:32] <nigelb> I guess, mailing lp-dev would be a good idea at this point
[10:12] <baltix-members> hello launchpad developer and users :)
[10:14] <baltix-members> maybe someone could tell me why small PPA build should wait 12 hours for start? See https://launchpad.net/~baltix-members/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2324181
[10:15] <bigjools> baltix-members: there's a big queue: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[10:20] <baltix-members> bigjools: maybe there is some problems with builders? few months ago I noticed big queue and some launchpad developers told me, that big queue was because of stopped builders - he restarted build server and only then the problem was fixed :)
[10:21] <wgrant> baltix-members: The builders were off doing some non-builder stuff. They should start coming back in a few minutes, and the queue will clear within a couple of hours.
[10:21] <baltix-members> wgrant: thanks for info
[10:23] <baltix-members> wgrant: I'm releasing new version of Ubuntu based operating system and I need to release test images in 3 hours, are there any chances to finish my cdrdao backport in ~2 hours?
[10:30] <baltix-members> wgrant: Why most of i386 builders are Idle now? See: https://launchpad.net/builders
[10:30] <wgrant> baltix-members: palmer, roseapple, rothera and vernadsky are for building Ubuntu.
[10:31] <wgrant> The others further down the page are the ones that PPAs build on.
[10:31] <wgrant> Starting from iridium.
[10:34] <baltix-members> wgrant: I thought, that all builders can do PPA builds :)
[10:34] <wgrant> baltix-members: No, some are reserved for Ubuntu itself (for security reasons)
[10:37] <wgrant> baltix-members: cdrdao is building.
[10:37] <baltix-members> it seems I should say thanks for someone - my build was just started instead of waiting 12 hours :)
[10:38] <baltix-members> wgrant: thank you :)
[10:38] <wgrant> Everything else should build soonish.
[10:38] <wgrant> The builders are nearly back.
[11:14] <dpm> hi launchpadders, it would be great to have some LP content on AppDeveloperWeek. Would anyone be up for picking any of the proposals on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek or to sign up for a session with another LP topic?
[11:29] <Laney> please include debian/NEWS entries with lplib uploads in future when you are going to break clients
[15:08] <psusi> is there a proper procedure for the death of a project?  launchpad.net/usplash is no longer maintained and lists a canonical employee as the maintainer who has left.  Shouldn't it at least be updated to indicate it has no maintainer?
[15:13] <dpm> hey all, could someone have a look why the language pack export on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+language-packs is not yet available?
[15:14] <dpm> the maverick ones should be available on Wednesdays:
[15:14] <dpm> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule
[15:14] <dpm> thumper, wallyworld^
[15:14] <popey> psusi: usplash is still shipped in an LTS release (8.04, hardy) and even though keybuk has left the company, he could still maintain it if he wished :)
[15:30] <psusi> popey: I'm pretty sure he isn't... he said that Scott James Remnant (canonical) is dead.. we had a funeral for him and everything... his words... and the package has been dropped from Ubuntu and is being dropped from debian... I suppose it doesn't hurt to keep the project listed, but shouldn't it at least be clear that it is no longer maintained?
[16:02] <popey> psusi: dunno :)
[16:20] <c10ud> hello, i'm try making launchpad import code from github, bu the thing is failing because we have a git submodule in the tree. i don't need it in launchpad, how can i tell it?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66508919/emesene-team-emesene-master.log
[16:21] <c10ud> s/try making/trying to make
[16:26] <beuno> c10ud, I think LP doesn't support submodules
[16:27] <beuno> well, I know it doesn't, but I'm not sure if it shiuld be failing
[16:41] <c10ud> beuno, is there any way to tell launchpad to leave submodules alone?
[16:46] <c10ud> brb
 hey all, could someone have a look why the language pack export on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+language-packs is not yet available?
[16:47] <dpm>  the maverick ones should be available on Wednesdays:
[16:47] <dpm>  https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule
[16:48] <dpm> could anyone from a maintenance squad have a look? ^
[16:48] <dpm> thanks!
[17:28] <Q-FUNK> wasn't support for Jaunty dropped during autumn?  apparently LP still accepts Jaunty packages for the PPA. :)
[17:28] <maxb> Yes, this is confusing.
[17:29] <maxb> I'd quite like some guidance on how long this will continue, so I can make plans for whether Bazaar should plan their own jaunty-desupport date or not
[17:29] <bigjools> some other, er, parties wanted to continue using jaunty
[17:29] <maxb> hah
[17:30] <maxb> It would be nice if launchpad-users@ could be sent a likely timeline for jaunty/karmic PPA support ceasing
[17:30] <bigjools> when we mentioned security updates I think there was a case of fingers in ears
[17:30] <bigjools> it's mostly up to the IS guys
[17:32] <maxb> IS == ..... something Systems?
[17:32] <bigjools> da admins
[17:34] <maxb> Because they choose when it's appropriate to cease supporting it to avoid people using builder time better spent on current series?
[17:34]  * maxb can't see why the admins would care other than that
[17:34] <bigjools> they have to spend time updating chroots etc as wel
[17:35] <elmo> we care because it ties into what needs to be on archive.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <elmo> and for hystericals reasons that's still with us
[17:39]  * maxb sobs at people who think registering a code import of http://localhost is a good idea
[17:41] <bigjools> !
[17:42] <lifeless> maxb: win!
[21:00] <bryceh> is launchpad down?
[21:00] <lifeless> no
[21:00] <lifeless> whats up?
[21:01] <bryceh> The webpage at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/599017 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
[21:02] <lifeless> seems fine to me
[21:02] <bryceh> had been noticing blueprints.launchpad.net was taking a long time to respond, but now nothing is loading
[21:02] <bryceh> hmm
[21:02] <lifeless> what was the status code you got?
[21:02] <lifeless> (from your browser)
[21:02] <bryceh> in Chromium - Error 7 (net::ERR_TIMED_OUT): The operation timed out.
[21:03] <lifeless> bryceh: sounds like a routing issue
[21:03] <lifeless> mbarnett: those alerts - any networking related?
[21:04] <mbarnett> lifeless: nopers
[21:05] <lifeless> bryceh: traceroute etc time
[21:49] <bryceh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/581320/
[21:54] <wgrant> bryceh: Interesting. My routing is just about the same from hop 7, and it works fine for me.
[21:54] <wgrant> To both of the frontends (they're the next hop after chenet)
[21:56] <bryceh> http://planet.ubuntu.com/ works, wiki.ubuntu.com hangs, www.canonical.com loads, http://directory.canonical.com/ doesn't, canonicaladmin doesn't (what's new), login.ubuntu.com hangs
[21:57] <wgrant> #is might be a good idea.
[21:59] <bryceh> wgrant, does your traceroute go through eth0.chenet.canonical.com too?
[21:59] <wgrant> bryceh: Yes.
[21:59] <wgrant> It's the penultimate hop.
[22:00] <wgrant> The last four hops are identical for me.
[22:00] <wgrant> The 5 or 6 before then are slightly different hosts, but same locations.
[22:03] <blueyed> Does https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes (still) work as documented?
[22:04] <lifeless> sure hope so
[22:04] <blueyed> I am looking at creating a recipe for Vim builds.
[22:04] <blueyed> good.
[22:05] <blueyed> You are not aware of a daily/current build ppa for vim, are you? ツ
[22:05]  * blueyed does not want to duplicate work.. ;)
[22:06] <Ampelbein> blueyed: you can look through https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=vim I guess
[22:10] <lifeless> Ampelbein: or /+dailybuilds :)
[22:16] <blueyed> lifeless: where is +dailybuilds?
[22:17] <wgrant> https://code.launchpad.net/+daily-builds
[22:35] <blueyed> thanks, wgrant. it's not searchable though. the "30 days" filter is very good though!
[22:36] <blueyed> before I'll skim the docs, is it possible to build from a mercurial branch, where the packaging comes from debian?
[22:37] <blueyed> after all, it would be best to just help with debian packaging I guess.
[22:40] <wgrant> blueyed: Launchpad can import some hg branches.


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[01:21] <skay> hi all, I'm trying to deploy jenkins and hte state seems to be stuck in pending for a while now
[01:22] <skay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8952564/ that's the history of commands. have I done anything glaringly wrong?
[01:22] <skay> I'm mostly following what the charm docs say
[01:23] <skay> woo! finally. state changed from pending to error. at least that is some info for me
[02:39] <jose> skay: still around? I'd like to debug that
[02:41] <skay> jose: hi, I can't help debug it at the moment. I'm working on something at hte moment
[02:41] <skay> jose: not sure if I will be able to help this week, unfortunately, I'm working from an different timezone than normal, and I have been pretty sleepy outside of work hours
[02:41] <jose> skay: oh, no problem :) if something else pops up, please let me know
[02:42] <jose> skay: totally comprehensible :)
[02:42] <skay> jose: okay, no worries! I will try to remember later to help.
[11:03] <cargill_> is there a way to see if a hook is in progress? for instance if it failed, then I run juju resolved -r, juju stat still shows failed and not pending even if the hook is still running
[11:14] <cargill_> also, I seem to have got juju-gui into a weird state where it did not want to interact with me anymore, it was juju-gui, because destroying and readding it has helped (a restart has not)
[14:59] <mbruzek1> Hi Juju people.  We are about to kick off a UOS Juju charm school
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[16:40] <hatch> should new bugs for juju-core be filed on github or launchpad?
[16:40] <rick_h_> hatch: launchpad
[16:40] <rick_h_> hatch: but check for a dupe, I'm going to bet there's something along those lines before
[16:40] <hatch> yeah will do
[16:41] <hatch> thx
[17:34] <drbidwell> Where can I find a description of what "juju bootstrap -e maas" does on a server when it ssh's into it?  I need a better "Theory of operation" understanding.
[17:35] <lazyPower> drbidwell: great question - is the debug output enough tog et you started or are you looking for a white paper style document?
[17:44] <drbidwell> The debug output that I have so far just shows that it did "ssh ubntu@host /bin/bash"  and I have no idea what it is trying to do, if it is succeeding or failing.  No idea what to fix to get it to work better.
[17:45] <drbidwell> lazyPower: is there way to get more debug outpout to tell me what it is doing and success or failure?
[17:45] <lazyPower> drbidwell: ah, just -v --debug - if you need more info i'll need to draw in a core developer
[17:54] <drbidwell> lazyPower: I have machines under MAAS which I can ssh to as ubuntu@host and sudo, but get litle feed back about what is really happening or not happening.  I have changed the timeout from 30 minutes to 1 hour and to 2 hours with no difference in the results.  Do I need to take this to the juju-dev channel?
[17:54] <lazyPower> drbidwell: I apologize for the delay in response -'m getting ready for my UOS track - I would suggest you invistage that avenue, and i'll circle back after the session(s)
[17:55] <lazyPower> *investigate
[17:55] <drbidwell> lazyPower: thanks
[17:58] <mbruzek1> The next UOS session starts soon
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[19:01] <amriunix> any free tutorials about juju ???
[20:24] <whit> on 1.21beta1 where can I find out how to use the collect-metrics hook?
[20:25] <rick_h_> whit: hit up cmars and company
[20:26] <whit> rick_h_, aight
[20:28] <JoshStrobl> marcoceppi, mind taking a look at this: https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/209
[20:30] <lazyPower> JoshStrobl: he's at AWS re:Invent this week - it may be latent. I'll be happy to take a look when i'm out of this meeting
[20:30] <lazyPower> drbidwell: circling back - have you found a satisfactory answer?
[20:31] <JoshStrobl> lazyPower, thanks
[20:36] <lazyPower> JoshStrobl: verified and merged
[20:36] <JoshStrobl> \o/
[21:13] <drbidwell> lazyPower: I am getting closer.  I have a lead to follow at least.
[21:14] <lazyPower> drbidwell: ok. with juju not properly provisioning on the maas node - it can be a slew of things. So i'm glad you're on a lead as to what it might be.
[21:15] <lazyPower> drbidwell: typically in my scenarios i've run into issues with networking, and that caused the issue - where the vlan in maas was improperly setup by me, so all apt-calls were failing, and juju wasn't able to bootstrap or do much of anything - and it hung during the bootstrapping phase. But that's anecdotal - and may or may not be related to what you're seeing.
[21:47] <hatch__> Is there a way to reset a config option back to its default value via the cli? unset resets all options
[21:50] <hatch__> wait nm :)


[05:30] <nadhi> Hi ChanServ one query. how to disable setting ip for a connection in netplan
[22:50] <erbarr> hi! How do I make a bond and tag vlans with netplan using OVS?