[05:38] <Bridger> If, for example, I am playing a file in Rhythmbox, and I open up Youtube to play a flash file, the sound on that Youtube video won't work.  And if I open up Youtube first, Rhythmbox will refuse to play anything, and stay on 0:00 for every song.
[05:39] <Chipsa964> bridger, same exact problem i have :(
[05:39] <Bridger> And if it's playing music already, and I open up Youtube, it will get screwy, sometimes stopping half way through a song.  And then I don't have sound for either.
[05:39] <patifa> yeah, Bridger, open up Sound in System > Preferences.  Change everything to ALSA.  You may want to write down what you had before and try it occassionally at the original settings in case they fix more sound issues in the future.
[05:40] <patifa> err, that's ALSA, not ALSA
[05:40] <Bridger> patifa >   Hold on.
[05:40] <popnbrown> can linux use fat32 file types?
[05:40] <patifa> bah, it's obvious.  I'm totally butchering the acronymn.
[05:40] <kitche> popnbrown: yes
[05:40] <popnbrown> hmm....
[05:40] <patifa> popnbrown: I don't think you can use it for the linux operating system itself, though.
[05:40] <Bridger> Okay, I've changed everything to ALSA.  Let me test it.
[05:40] <Chipsa964> patifa, youre having some typing issues :-p
[05:40] <Wannabe> patifa, do you know how i could play a game (Enemy-territory) and listen to music? i know my ET plays on OSS and my music player plays on ALSA, but i don't get both of them at the same time
[05:40] <kitche> popnbrown: called vfat
[05:41] <patifa> yeah :(
[05:41] <Chipsa964> Bridger, i just tested it, it seems to work fine now
[05:41] <popnbrown> well
[05:41] <popnbrown> if the drive is formated into a fat32 system
[05:41] <popnbrown> can i upload files to the drive
[05:41] <m0u5e> i'm getting weird errors with my audacity, can anyone help?
[05:41] <popnbrown> on windows
[05:41] <Bridger> ***  Woot!  ***
[05:41] <popnbrown> and then dl them on linux?
[05:41] <Bridger> I think we've just solved quite a few people's problems.
[05:41] <kitche> popnbrown: yes
[05:41] <popnbrown> ok
[05:41] <Chipsa964> it was getting kind of annoying
[05:41] <Chipsa964> i wanted to listen to my songs and i couldnt
[05:42] <Bridger> System > Preferences > Sound   ...  Change everything to ALSA.
[05:42] <m0u5e> popnbrown: ubuntu can read and write to fat32 partitions
[05:42] <Bridger> It works!
[05:42] <Bridger> I can hear "Revolution" by the Beatles, and the "White and Nerdy" music video!
[05:42] <m0u5e> Bridger: are you referring to my audacity problem? cause everything is already configured to alsa -_- (thats the default for hardy anyways)
[05:42] <Bridger> Your audacity problem?
[05:42] <patifa> :)
[05:43] <m0u5e> i'm actually running into a "error while opening sound device. Please check the output/device settings and the project sample" problem
[05:43] <Wannabe> patifa, do you know how i could play a game (Enemy-territory) and listen to music? i know my ET plays on OSS and my music player plays on ALSA, but i don't get both of them at the same time
[05:43] <Bridger> And for my installation of Hardy, that was not the default.  Maybe it varies for different hardware.
[05:43] <patifa> Wannabe: Sorry, I do not know.
[05:43] <Wannabe> patifa...dam
[05:43] <patifa> I'm just a random person from the internet, sorry Wannabe. :(
[05:43] <popnbrown> ok
[05:43] <Wannabe> i want to game and have music lol
[05:43] <popnbrown> wat does
[05:43] <popnbrown> vfat do?
[05:43] <tyler> how do i change the name of a drive?
[05:43] <Wannabe> patifa, np
[05:44] <dudus> tyler: do you mean a thumb drive?
[05:44] <popnbrown> tyler: from what ive seen use e2label
[05:45] <tyler> no just a ntfs mounted drive
[05:45] <tyler> liek how do i change the name from TV to Television
[05:45] <patifa> popnbrown: 'vfat' is a FAT-compatible linux file system with long file name support.
[05:45] <popnbrown> o
[05:45] <popnbrown> rite
[05:45] <m0u5e> I also get this error: Expression 'ret' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1034
[05:45] <m0u5e> Expression 'AlsaOpen( hostApi, parameters, streamDir, &pcm )' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1066
[05:45] <m0u5e> "
[05:45] <popnbrown> so
[05:46] <popnbrown> patifa: if i use vfat on my drive
[05:46] <popnbrown> patifa: would i be able to use it?
[05:46] <patifa> Likely
[05:46] <popnbrown> lok
[05:46] <popnbrown> trying now
[05:46] <patifa> VFAT is old, very old.
[05:46] <popnbrown> ok
[05:46] <popnbrown> sooo
[05:46] <popnbrown> wats ur suggesstion
[05:46] <popnbrown> to use the drive on linux and windows
[05:46] <patifa> How big is the drive?
[05:46] <popnbrown> 2GB
[05:47] <popnbrown> i used it as a liveUSB for ubuntu
[05:47] <popnbrown> now i need to put all the stuff back
[05:47] <dudus> tyler: you probably just want to change the mount point from /etc/fstab
[05:47] <kitche> Wannabe: need something that uses alsa instead of OSS there is a way to make ET play sound though ALSA though guides all over on the net for that
[05:47] <Bridger> Wow, maybe people could help me with another problem:  My abysmal connection speed when using a wireless connection.
[05:48] <patifa> popnbrown: Trying to remember/figure out if VFAT works on 2 GB drives or if you need FAT32.
[05:48] <popnbrown> well
[05:48] <popnbrown> currently
[05:48] <popnbrown> it says its under FAT32
[05:48] <popnbrown> i formatted it in windows
[05:48] <popnbrown> itself
[05:48] <kitche> patifa: umm vfat can work on 40 gig drives
[05:48] <Berengal> I have no mouse. How do I open combo boxes with the keyboard?
[05:49] <ttmontoya> my resolution is too big how do i fix it
[05:49] <popnbrown> patifa and kitche: does it matter that i formatted the drive in windows?
[05:49] <Bridger> Berengal  >  Try tabbing over to them  (I think...)
[05:49] <patifa> kitche: Isn't vfat FAT16 though, I was thinking that was a 2 GiB limit.
[05:49] <yaris12346789> how can i run wget in background? so that i can close ssh connection and it will still execute ?
[05:49] <yaris12346789> i am now using proxy to wget files....its working awesome
[05:49] <Berengal> Bridger: That selects them. The problem is it's editable as well, but I don't want to edit. I want to choose
[05:49] <popnbrown> FAT16 is 4 isnt it?
[05:49] <dudus> Bridger: also get bad connection speed, and if I try to use maximum capacity, by sending a very big file, it disconnects and I have to restart NetworkManager, never reported though, I think the new kernel wifi stack is still buggy, or maybe it's due bad drivers for my intel wifi card
[05:49] <kitche> patifa: umm vfat is fat16 fat32 it's just a generic driver really
[05:50] <Y-Town> ttmontoya: system/preference/screen resolution
[05:50] <McRib> Berengal: Just tab to them and press the down arrow.
[05:50] <Bridger> Wait... what are these combo boxes in?
[05:50] <Bridger> I would think that McRib's advice would work.
[05:50] <Berengal> McRib: That switches focus to the combo box below...
[05:50] <Nikunj93> can numlock be on itslef on boot?
[05:50] <patifa> kitche: Ahh, ok, generic for all the FAT variants.
[05:51] <Berengal> Alternatively someone could tell me where swap is mounted so I can tell the installer I want the drive to be the swap drive
[05:51] <patifa> popnbrown: vfat ought to work in any case, as would specifically 'FAT32'
[05:51] <popnbrown> ok
[05:51] <popnbrown> heres the thing
[05:51] <Nikunj93> can numlock be on itslef on boot?
[05:51] <popnbrown> i typed in fdisk -l
[05:51] <tyler> guys my ntfs drives dont automount when i start ubuntu...do i just need to add them to fstab?
[05:52] <Berengal> nm, I got it
[05:52] <astro76> tyler: yes
[05:52] <kitche> Nikunj93: it can you have to do some "hacking" really if you want it to turn on at boot there is many guides online on how to do it
[05:52] <Odd-rationale> !numlock | Nikunj93
[05:52] <popnbrown> and  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11607/plain/
[05:53] <bazhang> dudus, this is 3945?
[05:53] <patifa> Nikunj93: I think I remember a package named 'numlockx' that forced on the numlock.
[05:53] <ttmontoya> Y-Town: it only gives me 800x600 and 640x480 is there a way to make it smaller
[05:53] <patifa> popnbrown: Ok....  Looks like it's referring to Windows 95's FAT32.
[05:53] <popnbrown> o
[05:53] <popnbrown> ha
[05:54] <popnbrown> rite rite
[05:54] <popnbrown> sooo
[05:54] <popnbrown> any other suggesstions
[05:54] <popnbrown> wait
[05:54] <SeaPhor> popnbrown, how about learn to spell or at least make alias's ,,, wat=what, wats=what is, and type all in a paragraph, not in individual sentences separated by Enter! man you make it hard for a person to follow you much less help you
[05:54] <patifa> What's wrong then, popnbrown?
[05:54] <Y-Town> ttmontoya: sounds like maybe yopur not running the proper driver for your video card
[05:54] <popnbrown> umm
[05:54] <popnbrown> does it matter if it is 95
[05:54] <patifa> no
[05:54] <bazhang> !enter | popnbrown
[05:54] <kujer> hallo
[05:54] <Nikunj93> ubottu: the link which u gave says to install a software
[05:55] <Nikunj93> is there anything else that i have to do?
[05:55] <astro76> Nikunj93: the link also tells you the second step
[05:55] <Nikunj93> its written in gutsy
[05:55] <astro76> Nikunj93: still applies
[05:55] <Nikunj93> ok
[05:56] <popnbrown> pafita: i just ran vfat on the drive
[05:56] <popnbrown> i still cant mount it
[05:56] <ttmontoya> Y-Town: how do i get the right one for ati rage 3 its a laptop dell c600 an antique
[05:57] <Chipsa964> revolution is a good song, Bridger
[05:57] <MacMatt> UBUNTU SERVER, what hardware do you need?
[05:57] <popnbrown> patifa: I just ran vfat on the drive but i still cant mount it
[05:57] <Bridger> Chipsa964 >   Agreed.
[05:57] <astro76> MacMatt: not much ;)
[05:57] <Nikunj93> astro76:  did it thanks
[05:57] <patifa> Uhhhhhhh, I'm not sure popnbrown.  What's the mount error?
[05:57] <Chipsa964> did you see across the universe
[05:57] <Nikunj93> hot to do port forwarding for torrents
[05:57] <Chipsa964> cuz they did a good job with that song
[05:57] <nvquang> y have to use commant like this
[05:57] <Y-Town> ttmontoya: check the repos for ati
[05:57] <MacMatt> Can UBUNTU Server LAN boot?
[05:57] <bazhang> Chipsa964, please stay on topic thanks
[05:58] <Chipsa964> we were talking about our music player problems :(
[05:58] <Nikunj93> how to do port forwarding for torrents
[05:58] <Y-Town> ttmontoya: do you see a icon in your menu that says your using proprietery drivers?
[05:58] <patifa> Nikunj93: You mean port forwarding on your router?
[05:58] <ttmontoya> Y-Town: how do i add an ATI repo
[05:58] <justAsset_> hello everybody
[05:58] <popnbrown> patifa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11608/plain/
[05:58] <justAsset_> i want to connect to remote ubuntu desktop. how can i do it without loosing quality if i'm using local network?
[05:58] <popnbrown> hey
[05:59] <Nikunj93> patifa: yes
[05:59] <justAsset_> hello everybody
[05:59] <justAsset_> i want to connect to remote ubuntu desktop. how can i do it without loosing quality if i'm using local network?
[05:59] <Nikunj93> patifa: also i think there is some setup in the OS too
[05:59] <astro76> justAsset_: the built in... yes I saw the first time
[05:59] <bazhang> www.portforward.com Nikunj93
[05:59] <MacMatt> Can you setup LAN boot system with UBUNTU SERVER?
[05:59] <astro76> justAsset_: the built in vnc server will work fine, system > prefs > remote desktop to enable it
[05:59] <ttmontoya> Y- Town I found one that says hardware drivers
[05:59] <Nikunj93> bazhang: i went there but it gives guide for XP
[05:59] <justAsset_> ok
[06:00] <Jordan_U> MacMatt, Yes, I've never done it though so don's ask me how :)
[06:00] <bazhang> Nikunj93, it is on your router first
[06:00] <nvquang> mount //resource folder  /folder in your computer -t smbvfat -o username =your user
[06:00] <Relegated> oiajsd
[06:00] <justAsset_> astro76, i've got two problems with it
[06:00] <Nikunj93> bazhang: how to do it?
[06:00] <nvquang> after that press password
[06:00] <bazhang> Relegated, english please
[06:00] <Y-Town> ttmontoya: yea... click on it and then see that its enabled with a checkbox... thats what you need
[06:00] <justAsset_> astro76, quality is not so good, it doesn't lock the screen on the server
[06:00] <bazhang> Nikunj93, open a browser (firefox eg) then connect via ethernet to router and set it there
[06:00] <Nikunj93> bazhang: ??
[06:01] <patifa> popnbrown: I'm afraid I'm out of helpful tips for you.  I'm really sorry.
[06:01] <justAsset_> astro76, know how to overcome these problems?
[06:01] <Nikunj93> bazhang: how to set i am not getting u
[06:01] <Relegated> Sorry
[06:01] <popnbrown> patifa: haha...its ok, ill keep researching and see whatit is
[06:01] <Relegated> I just upgraded to Hardy and when I run compiz my drop down menus do not work
[06:01] <Y-Town> anyone know if theres an update yet to prevent adobe flash from crashing firefox?
[06:01] <popnbrown> patifa: thank you though
[06:01] <Relegated> Anyone have this issue or know of a fix
[06:01] <justAsset_> astro76, i need vnc to lock the screen cuz i dont want someone to see what i'm doing remotely
[06:01] <bazhang> Nikunj93, check the router settings; you need to actually try first
[06:02] <Nikunj93> i have checked it what settings to make?
[06:02] <patifa> popnbrown: for giggles, have you tried just going to /dev/sdb1 to see if anything's there?
[06:02] <bazhang> Nikunj93, you in router settings now?
[06:02] <yaris12346789> btw how do i make wget skip all existing files
[06:02] <astro76> justAsset_: you could either use a standard vnc server, or to overcome your quality issues you might try XDMCP
[06:02] <Jordan_U> yaris12346789, wget -c
[06:02] <ttmontoya> Y- Town: I says that no proprietary drivers are being used on this sys
[06:03] <Nikunj93> yes
[06:03] <yaris12346789> ty Jordan_U
[06:03] <mintsoup> has anybody noticed that the current banner on ubuntu.com is incredibly lame?  "now with easy uninstall?" wth is that supposed to even mean?
[06:03] <justAsset_> astro76, XDMPC?
[06:03] <bazhang> mintsoup, wubi
[06:03] <Nikunj93> bazhang: yes im in my router settings
[06:03] <patifa> yaris12346789: -nc is 'no clobber'  Don't write to files that exist.  '-c' appends existing files to continue a partial download
[06:03] <justAsset_> astro76, ok
[06:03] <qijie> ok
[06:03] <Jordan_U> yaris12346789, np, that will also continue downloads if needed BTW
[06:03] <mintsoup> oh
[06:04] <yaris12346789> oh
[06:04] <yaris12346789> okay
[06:04] <ttmontoya> Y- Town: how do I set up the repo
[06:04] <Nikunj93> bazhang: u dere?
[06:04] <bazhang> Nikunj93, sorry cant understand you
[06:04] <Nikunj93> bazhang: i  am in my router settings
[06:05] <Nikunj93> bazhang: what settings to make over there?
[06:05] <bazhang> Nikunj93, set a port then
[06:05] <Pie-rate> I have g15daemon installed via the ubuntu 8.04 repositories but the extra keys don't work (g1, g2, g3, etc.) nothing's happening when i press them in xev. i tried restarting the daemon and made sure uinput was loaded, no dice. any suggestions?
[06:05] <Nikunj93> bazhang: the thing is how to do that i dont know
[06:05] <bazhang> Nikunj93, you read the info on the link I gave you carefully?
[06:06] <Rat409> Nikunj93: try enabling upnp ?
[06:06] <Nikunj93> bazhang: that link is for windows only
[06:06] <Nikunj93> i have enabled upnp
[06:06] <justAsset_> astro76, what does this error mean? No matching security types
[06:07] <gina> hello guys, can someone help me :(
[06:07] <ghindo> gina what is the problem?
[06:07] <astro76> Nikunj93: the point of portforward.com is it has guides for routers, not windows http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm
[06:07] <yaris12346789> if i have a list of proxy, is it possible for wget to switch them every interval ?
[06:07] <Rat409> Nikunj93: check ufw,firesatrter or whatever is used in ubuntu?
[06:07] <Pigeon`> Hey, i've just upgraded to Gusty, but i can't have any video to work on Totem Player, yeah i have the sound but no image... any idea? i've try the codecs etc..
[06:07] <gina> i try to change the resolution of my desktop and i dont know what the heck i did that now i cant see my wireless connections
[06:08] <Nikunj93> Rat409: firesatrter?
[06:08] <kindofabuzz> Pigeon`: VLC player
[06:08] <Pigeon`> yeah Vlc work
[06:08] <kindofabuzz> well, there ya go
[06:08] <Pigeon`> well...
[06:08] <ghindo> gina: What did you do to change the resolution?
[06:08] <Pigeon`> i want totem :P
[06:08] <chris65536> I was configuring my firewall to not allow all outbound connections by default.  I had to bring down my network interface and then back up again.  And my firewall reported blocking NTP connections to some IP address owned by Canonical.  Does anybody know why bringing my network interface up would cause an outbound connection to Canonical?
[06:08] <ghindo> gina:  Have you tried restarting X?
[06:08] <kindofabuzz> why?
[06:08] <kindofabuzz> totem may not be able tyo play it
[06:08] <kindofabuzz> to*
[06:08] <Pigeon`> Because when i listen to HD VLC is gay...
[06:09] <Rat409> Nikunj93: whatever firewall app or script if you use one
[06:09] <kindofabuzz> vlc is all you need =)
[06:09] <gina> yes i restart already a lot of times
[06:09] <Nikunj93> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Huawei/Smartax-MT-841/Smartax-MT-841index.htm here deluge is not present
[06:09] <kindofabuzz> well when you listen to HD use totem
[06:09] <popnbrown> patifa: thats strange, it says its not a directory
[06:09] <astro76> Nikunj93: don't worrry about firestarter there is no firewalling by default in Ubuntu
[06:09] <popnbrown> but
[06:09] <popnbrown> when i take it out and run the fdisk -l
[06:09] <popnbrown> command it does not show sdb1
[06:09] <Pigeon`> well Totem worked fine on Festy and not VLC
[06:09] <popnbrown> i put it back in and its there
[06:09] <FloodBot3> popnbrown: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:09] <bazhang> http://www.portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/BitTorrent/BitTorrentindex.htm Nikunj93 if you read the link you would see it is not windows only; read this one for more info
[06:09] <Rat409> Nikunj93: if not check your bittorrent client settings
[06:09] <gina> before i was able to see all the routers.. with right click.. now  i just see enable networking option
[06:09] <gina> not the wireless option
[06:09] <Pigeon`> well Totem don't work now kindofabuzz :P
[06:09] <chris65536> maybe it has to do with the automatic updates, I'm thniking.
[06:09] <Nikunj93> now?
[06:09] <bazhang> popnbrown, dont use enter key as punctuation
[06:10] <zero88> Please can anyone explain to me what they mean when they say "The latest Ubuntu release brings the best of open source together on a platform that is here to stay with 3 years of free updates" ??????!!!!!!
[06:10] <RancidKraut> I started installing the MythTV package with Adept but then stopped midway.  Now when I try to install on the command line, I get the following error: "dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" and "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-3ubuntu5_i386.deb"
[06:10] <bazhang> !lts | zero88
[06:10] <zero88> here http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/
[06:10] <tyler> /dev/sda1       /media/Music ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0
[06:10] <tyler> /dev/sdb1       /media/Television ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0
[06:10] <tyler> /dev/sdd1       /media/720p ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0
[06:10] <tyler> /dev/sde1       /media/1080p ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0
[06:10] <tyler> /dev/sdf1      /media/Applications ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0
[06:10] <chris65536> Oh yeah, that's what it must be.
[06:10] <tyler> /dev/sdg1      /media/Random ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0
[06:10] <FloodBot3> tyler: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:10] <SeaPhor> Nikunj93, listen to bazhang , its config for a router that doesn't care what you use (win,linux,mac,dos) it only understands protocols by ios
[06:10] <bazhang> !paste | tyler
[06:10] <chris65536> O.k. I just answered my own question.
[06:11] <St-Lemur> I'm running Gnome under Gutsy with esd my default sound driver. Some media codec or other keeps making my sound conk out. Restarting X with ctrl-alt-backspace fixes it, but is there a way to restart sound without restarting X?
[06:11] <Nikunj93> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Huawei/Smartax-MT-841/Smartax-MT-841index.htm                  here i have to select a client and i use DELUGE which isnt present here
[06:11] <zero88> bazhang yes but do they plain on charging for it one day?
[06:11] <Pigeon`> I don't know how to say that kindofabuzz but with VLC, in HD the image like refresh each second... so its not really funny to listen, Totem worked fine on Festy, but now with Gusty, i don't have any image on Totem, even with normal video
[06:11] <tyler> if i put that in fstab will that auto change the name of the drive to what i put there and will this make these drives automount when i start the pc?
[06:11] <bazhang> zero88, no and offtopic here
[06:12] <RudyValencia> Hi, is there a way to setup UnrealIRCd and Anope services to start when my server starts up?
[06:12] <gina> before i was able to see all the routers.. with right click.. now  i just see enable networking option
[06:12] <gina>  not the wireless optio
[06:12] <zero88> bazhang Ok thank's.And yes it is.
[06:12] <tyler> ^^^^^^
[06:13] <gina> i use to see all my routers with just a right click now i just see an option of "enable networking"..
[06:13] <gina> where did the wireless option go?
[06:13] <gina> i dont know what the heck i did
[06:13] <gina> please hlep
[06:13] <gina> help
[06:13] <bazhang> gina how many routers do you have
[06:13] <popnbrown> #evolution
[06:13] <Y-Town> anyone know if adobe has corrected the problem of crashing firefox yet?
[06:13] <popnbrown> umm
[06:13] <popnbrown> how do i switch out
[06:14] <RancidKraut> I started installing the MythTV package with Adept but then stopped midway.  Now when I try to install on the command line, I get the following error: "dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" and "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-3ubuntu5_i386.deb"
[06:14] <tyler> can someone help me with fstab
[06:14] <gina> i only have one what i mean with routers is that i was able to see a lot of routers.. even does that are not mine
[06:14] <RoAkSoAx> !ask | tyler
[06:14] <gina>  but i only have on
[06:14] <ghindo> gina:  Are you sure that wireless is turned on?
[06:14] <tyler> I did but nobody answered me
[06:15] <bazhang> RancidKraut, the error stopped it? try again
[06:15] <St-Lemur> Also, why do I have all these copies of gksu running for 40+ hours? Can I kill them safely?
[06:15] <gina> of course is on
[06:15] <gina> what you mean with on?
[06:15] <ttmontoya> how do I set up the an ati repo
[06:15] <gina> im using a macbook pro.. there is no option to turn on the wireless
[06:15] <gina> is always on
[06:15] <McRib> tyler: Yes.  Your fstab controls how and where devices are mounted when you start your computer.
[06:15] <bazhang> ubuntu on there gina?
[06:16] <gina> yes
[06:16] <bazhang> what chipset of your card gina
[06:16] <gina> i mean... i pretty sure i move something.. there was this option
[06:16] <gina> and when i try to  change resolution and other stuff
[06:16] <gina> it just disapears my wireless option
[06:17] <gina> i dont know.. my brother install everything to me
[06:17] <gina> the wireless was working perfectly
[06:17] <gina> but i did something wrong
[06:17] <gina> i dont know how to recover my wireless option
[06:17] <bazhang> gina then put him online-->we need a lot more info
[06:17] <gina> he does not live with me
[06:17] <gina> thats why
[06:17] <gina> im here
[06:18] <bazhang> gina then there is no way to help if you do not a)answer with clear info b)stop using the enter key so much c)answer the questions that are asked of you
[06:19] <popnbrown> I tried opening up evolution mail
[06:19] <popnbrown> but its not even opening up
[06:20] <gina> i give you all the info.. listen... i use to go to my wireless with right click on the 2 lil black monitors on the right top!... now when i try right click there is only 1 option.. it is "enable networking" there is more option for wireless.. and this happens after i did a lot of stupid moves on my laptop
[06:20] <gina> what more info do you need? omg
[06:20] <bazhang> !attitude | gina
[06:22] <Rat409> gina: try lspci | grep Network
[06:22] <St-Lemur> How do I tell what's using the soundcard?
[06:22] <jim_beam> what packages allow a remote connectio to another computer
[06:22] <Rat409> St-Lemur: ps aux or top
[06:23] <scotiobade2> Is anyone skilled with ipod touch syncing on linux cause i need help.
[06:23] <chris65536> What kind of connection, jim_beam?
[06:23] <RancidKraut> What is the purpose of this file "/var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-3ubuntu5_i386.deb" ?
[06:23] <jim_beam> ui would like to connect to a win2k server
[06:23] <gina> rat.. do you mean to type it on the terminal?
[06:23] <gina> ok
[06:23] <gina> please hold down a sec
[06:23] <yaris12346789> what is cluster cron job ? is it different from the regular cron job ?
[06:24] <tritium> RancidKraut: when it was downloaded, it was stored there before unpacking
[06:24] <chris65536> Do you just need to transfer file from the Win2K server?
[06:24] <RancidKraut> tritium: Can I delete it?
[06:24] <gina> rat.. i type it and the problem persist
[06:24] <tritium> RancidKraut: yes
[06:25] <RancidKraut> tritium: Thanks
[06:25] <tritium> RancidKraut: you can do it manually, or sudo apt-get clean
[06:25] <St-Lemur> Rat409: I'm not seeing anything in the list that looks like it would be using the sound card, though. I don't have sound but it was working until I played a video file in gxine.
[06:25] <RancidKraut> Aha, great. :)
[06:26] <Rat409> gina did it show what the wireless is?
[06:26] <gina> huh
[06:26] <gina> 03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5418 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[06:26] <Drakoi> How do I access my firewall settings?
[06:26] <gina> this?
[06:26] <bazhang> Drakoi, firestarter ufw or iptables
[06:26] <St-Lemur> Killing and restarting esd didn't help.
[06:26] <Rat409> gina: yes
[06:26] <HermanChess> my DVD drive is not mounting the media, why could this be ?? it mounted perfectly yesterday
[06:26] <gina> ok
[06:26] <Drakoi> Bazhang: Thanks
[06:27] <gina> now what :)
[06:27] <gina> :)
[06:27] <Rat409> 1 sec
[06:28] <gina> ok hun
[06:28] <Ronald> so, we get pulseaudio. Very novel idea, but for now it makes sure flash doesn't give audio, so its a pain in the arse... how do people solve this ?
[06:28] <ttmontoya> jj
[06:28] <bazhang> libflashsupport install ronald may help
[06:29] <scotiobade2> Does anyone know how to get linux to work with an ipod touch?
[06:29] <bazhang> Ronald, and it is adobe bug not ubuntu problem
[06:29] <yaris12346789> kill wget && export http_proxy="<IP_ADDRESS>:80" && wget -c -i load.txt
[06:30] <chris65536> Good luck with that scotiobade2.  I don't.
[06:30] <bazhang> scotiobade2, what have you tried
[06:30] <scotiobade2> ive already followed the wiki article
[06:30] <Rat409> gina: its probly ath0 as the interface name but if all you have running is wireless you can sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart for the network daemon or restart your gnome-panel net-monitor applet. not quite sure what you're trying to do
[06:30] <scotiobade2> so far i have been able to take music off of the ipod touch and copy it to the computer
[06:30] <scotiobade2> but my problem is that i can't put anything on it.
[06:30] <patifa> rat409: Looks like Atheros needs a restricted driver to work.
[06:30] <Ronald> bazhang: i consider it an ubuntu problem. An End user doesn't care who makes the bug, pulse or adobe. he just wants ti to work
[06:30] <St-Lemur> Hm...audio1 seems not to be appearing in my /dev anymore
[06:31] <bazhang> Ronald, what ever you consider it; it is an adobe bug
[06:31] <Rat409> patifa: it was running earlier i thought,some use madwifi also
[06:31] <King_anarky> ^chan #redball
[06:32] <ttmontoya> how do I configure a wireless connection
[06:32] <patifa> rat409: Yeah, an ubuntuforums.org thread on it is referring to mad wifi too
[06:32] <gina> rat.. i just want my wireless net back :(
[06:32] <gina> so i type sudo /etc/init.d/networking
[06:32] <gina> ?
[06:32] <trollboy_> Howdy, I just did a format and re-install of ubuntu, I disconnected my fileserver drives for safety and wiped my system disk.  I just re-attached my drives physically and vol_id can't read the disks
[06:32] <trollboy_> error opening volume
[06:32] <bazhang> !enter | gina
[06:32] <trollboy_> any way around this?
[06:32] <Rat409> gina you can try it
[06:32] <patifa> gina: The word restart after it
[06:33] <gina> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:33] <RancidKraut> Every time I try to install a package now, apt-get keeps trying to get the mysql-server-5.0 package even though I didn't specify it.  It's a dependency from a botched package install a while ago.
[06:33] <gina> this is correct?
[06:33] <gina> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:33] <HermanChess> my DVD drive is not mounting the media, why could this be ?? it mounted perfectly yesterday
[06:33] <Rat409> gina yes
[06:34] <trollboy_> any thoughts on my problem?
[06:34] <bazhang> RancidKraut, go into synaptic and check for broken packages then try to repair them
[06:34] <Rat409> RancidKraut: try apt-get autoremove
[06:34] <bazhang> he left
[06:34] <Pigeon`> damn why the hell only VLC work and every other video player just don't work...
[06:35] <bazhang> !language | Pigeon`
[06:35] <gina> after this
[06:35] <gina> i restart my laptop?
[06:35] <chris65536> trollboy, were those external drives?
[06:35] <trollboy_> Pigeon`, as a rule vlc works, others ymmv
[06:35] <trollboy_> chris65536, internal ATA100's
[06:35] <Rat409> gina: no need
[06:35] <Pigeon`> oh "d*mn" is not a good word in english, right.. sorry lol
[06:36] <ubuntugoon14> is anyone willing to msg me and help me with this fstab file for a few min
[06:36] <ttmontoya> I already setup my wireless usb adapter and its been detected by the sys but I cant get it connected
[06:36] <chris65536> Did you set them up in fstab, trollboy?
[06:36] <trollboy_> chris that's what I need the uuid's for
[06:36] <Pigeon`> yeah well VLC works but not the way i want...
[06:37] <chris65536> I think you can use "blkid".
[06:37] <dudus> Pigeon`: its probably a codec issue..... install gstreammer-good, bad and ugly or maybe ubuntu-restricted-extras to a package with all codecs you'll ever need, probably
[06:37] <Akuma> Hello, I'm trying to get my wireless working through ndiswrapper, but I don't get any wireless interface shown after I've modprob'd ndiswrapper...
[06:37] <Akuma> ndiswrapper -l does show that the device has been detected
[06:37] <Pigeon`> yeah dudus i must of install all possible codecs of ubuntu today :P
[06:37] <chris65536> "sudo blkid" because it requires root
[06:38] <Rat409> Akuma: what chipset? interface names vary by card/chips
[06:38] <trollboy_> chris65536, what's blkid?
[06:38] <ubuntugoon14> whats the boot flag mean in gparted when im looking at a ntfs partition?
[06:38] <Akuma> it's a bcm43xx
[06:38] <chris65536> It gives the UIDs for you block devices
[06:38] <trollboy_> chris I don't see my drives
[06:38] <Rat409> Akuma: wlan0
[06:38] <Akuma> I've been looking all over ubuntuforums, and followed the instructions
[06:38] <chris65536> Run it with root or sudo
[06:38] <Akuma> I don't have any wlan0
[06:38] <trollboy_> I only see my sata drive on that
[06:39] <dudus> Pigeon`: ubuntu-restricted-extras install java wich is useless, but also it makes sure you have all codecs
[06:39] <trollboy_> none of the hd partitions
[06:39] <Akuma> I just have lo0 and eth0
[06:39] <ghindo> Could anyone tell me where Firefox bookmarks and settings are stored?
[06:39] <trollboy_> lemme check cables and reboot
[06:39] <trollboy_> brb
[06:39] <Akuma> *lo
[06:39] <Rat409> Akuma: tru iwlist scanning if the driver's loaded
[06:39] <Akuma> didn't work
[06:39] <Pigeon`> yeah dudus
[06:39] <hotmonkeyluv> how do I change volume levels via the cli?
[06:39] <chris65536> O.k., I'm wondering if there more to it.
[06:40] <Akuma> "Interface doesn't support scanning" for every interface
[06:40] <Akuma> iwconfig says
[06:40] <Akuma> "no wireless extensions"
[06:40] <Akuma> for every interface
[06:40] <Rat409> Akuma: when you intalled ndiswrapper after inserting windows .inf should have ndiswrapper -m
[06:40] <trollboy_> ok bios saw the drives on boot
[06:40] <dudus> ghindo: ~/.mozilla/
[06:41] <fon_rithirong> hi, i just updated to ubuntu 8.04 from the 7.10 and my login screen is way bigger than the original screen. how can i fix this?
[06:41] <ubuntugoon14> can someone please help me with this fstab file...and what text i need to add to it so it will automount this ntfs drive on boot....
[06:41] <Rat409> Akuma: it creates an alias in /etc/networking/interfaces iirc
[06:41] <Akuma> ok, so after I run ndiswrapper -m
[06:41] <ghindo> dudus:  So if I back up /home, I will be able to save my bookmarks and settings?
[06:41] <Akuma> should I do modprobe ndiswrapper?
[06:41] <chris65536> And it still won't show up? What about "fdisk -l"
[06:41] <dudus> ghindo: yeah
[06:41] <McRib> Does anyone know if the U.S. repositories are working again at full speed?
[06:42] <Rat409> Akuma: it worked for me
[06:42] <ghindo> dudus:  Thanks
[06:42] <Akuma> Ok, just did ndiswrapper -m
[06:42] <Akuma> then modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:42] <Akuma> then I typed iwconfig
[06:42] <Akuma> and I have the same result as before
[06:42] <Akuma> "no wireless extensions"
[06:43] <trollboy_> wtf
[06:43] <trollboy_> this is insane
[06:43] <trollboy_> ok it is seeing the drives
[06:43] <trollboy_> but they're wrong
[06:44] <Akuma> when I do lsmod ndiswrapper is present
[06:44] <bazhang> trollboy_, please, easy on the enter key
[06:44] <trollboy_> showing /dev/hdc1 as /dev/sda
[06:44] <trollboy_> sorry bazhang didn't mean to offend
[06:44] <chris65536> that's o.k. trollboy.
[06:44] <trollboy_> fair enough
[06:44] <trollboy_> I'll reset up my fstab now I guess
[06:44] <ubuntugoon14> am i muted or something ...why doesnt anyone wanna help me
[06:44] <jmazaredo> is there a way to make automatic change of gateway on failure?
[06:44] <bazhang> trollboy_, that is the new naming convention
[06:45] <chris65536> sometimes they show as /sd* instead of /hd*
[06:45] <chris65536> If you have an older PC, like a 486, they might still say /hd*
[06:46] <Rat409> yes in /etc/network/interface i have this  iface waln0 inet dhcp in my case
[06:46] <ubuntugoon14> ping
[06:46] <ubuntugoon14> pong
[06:46] <ubuntugoon14> can anyone hear me
[06:46] <StevenX> Is there a channel I can go to to help me out with commands in linux? Or can I ask here? It is not only Unix related.
[06:46] <bluefox83> is packages.ubuntu.com down or something?
[06:46] <ubuntugoon14> do i exist?
[06:46] <bluefox83> it's not loading for me >.>
[06:46] <legend2440> ubuntugoon14: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows
[06:46] <ubuntugoon14> I DO EXIEST!!! woot
[06:47] <bazhang> StevenX, what commands
[06:47] <bluefox83> nevermind
[06:47] <legend2440> ubuntugoon14: do any of us REALLY exist?
[06:47] <fragged> Hey guys, I'm installing xubuntu 7.10 on a virtual PC for an assignment and its 'retrieving libconsole' with little CD/hard disk utilization, is it downloading this stuff off the net and if so how big will the download be?
[06:47] <bazhang> haha
[06:47] <ubuntugoon14> lol
[06:47] <StevenX> bazhang, I want to tell linux to list all the files in a directory and in subdirectories, and to make a file of the output of that command.
[06:47] <fragged> like the downloading bit is not part of the assignment, I'm just on a really slow connection :(
[06:48] <Rat409> Akuma: try sudo modprobe -ma
[06:48] <clusty> in which file can I find the messages generated when i try to hibernate PC?
[06:48] <bazhang> fragged, how slow
[06:48] <ttmontoya> I install my wireless usb adapter driver and its been detected netwg11t : driver installed	device (1385:4251) present how do i set up the connection
[06:48] <RyanPrior> StevenX: find [thedirectory] > [the file]
[06:48] <ihasn> anyone know why in 8.04 that a headphone jack would play sound for a split second when its first plugged in...then cut out and not play sound anymore?
[06:48] <fragged> 64kbit atm,
[06:48] <chris65536> ls -R > fileWithListOfFiles
[06:49] <Akuma> Rat409: invalid option -- m
[06:49] <Rat409> clusty: try dmesg or /var/log/kernel.log /var/log/mesages etc.
[06:49] <Jordan_U> With fglrx I can't suspend, without it I can't get 3D acceleration. Any suggestions on how to get both?
[06:49] <RyanPrior> chris65536: Yeah, ls -R would work as well.
[06:49] <StevenX> RyanPrior, Thank you.
[06:49] <Rat409> Akuma: -ma
[06:49] <StevenX> chris65536, thank you.
[06:49] <clusty> Rat409: and for previous ones .0?
[06:49] <StevenX> are there any classes that you guys can recommend so that i can learn about unix's shell?
[06:49] <StevenX> such as the command i just asked about.
[06:49] <clusty> since i cant see the message itself as my pc freezes
[06:50] <bazhang> StevenX, hang out in #bash :)
[06:50] <Rat409> clusty: kernel logs and syslogs probly
[06:50] <RyanPrior> StevenX: I suggest reading RUTE.
[06:50] <Ronald> Jordan_U: Radion HD project may help you, depending on the age of your card.
[06:50] <Akuma> Rat409: I type 'sudo modprobe -ma' I get "modprobe: invalid option -- m"
[06:50] <fragged> StevenX, there are some really nice tutorials out there, check out tldp.org and such, there are also the CBT Bash video tutorials (found everwhere online)
[06:50] <StevenX> thanks all.
[06:50] <trollboy_> rebooting now
[06:50] <trollboy_> lets see if this works shall we?
[06:51] <Rat409> Akuma: try sudo modprobe -l see if its setup
[06:51] <StevenX> what about in terms of a class that I can take? (I learn better that way). Like some kind of certification or something?>
[06:51] <bluefox83> has anyone managed to get gnome-voice-control working? i can't seem to get it installed and working properly
[06:51] <StevenX> I find that things in linux are extremely easy if you know what commands to use. The problem, of course, is the commands to use. lol.
[06:51] <RancidKraut> Is there a way to search for and fix broken packages in Adept?    I need to get it to work can anyone help ?
[06:52] <Rat409> i used bcmwl5.inf works fine led's and all
[06:53] <chris65536> I learned a little bit about Unix in college working towards a CS degree, but most I learned was be searching the web.
[06:53] <StevenX> fragged, lol! thanks man. that made me laugh. i'll check it out.
[06:53] <Akuma> Rat409: modprobe -l just showed me all the paths to the used modules
[06:54] <Akuma> Rat409: iwconfig wlan0 says "wlan0 no such device"
[06:54] <diver> hey guys
[06:54] <Rat409> Akuma: duh on me sorry meant ndiswrapper -l early here almost 2am sorry
[06:54] <Akuma> Oh
[06:54] <diver> holy crap 1266 users!
[06:54] <chris65536> There are so many resources on the web for learning Linux it's unbelievable.
[06:54] <Akuma> np, I appreciate the help!
[06:55] <diver> hey can anyone help me on making a partion for vista? Im on ubuntu 8.04
[06:55] <diver> *i need to know how to do it from ubuntu
[06:55] <Rat409> Akuma: there is a bug tho,forgot that i found a forum script for a workaround
[06:55] <Akuma> Rat409: ndiswrapper -l : bcmwl5 : driver installed\n device(14E4:4311) present (alternative driver bcm43xx)
[06:55] <bazhang> diver you can use gparted
[06:55] <diver> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/?
[06:55] <Rat409> Akuma: lemme find the page,it has instructions
[06:56] <bazhang> diver, in ubuntu
[06:56] <Akuma> Rat409: thanks
[06:56] <McRib> diver: You do realize that the Vista installation will offer you that opportunity, right?  Besides, after installing Vista, you're going to reconfigure your boot loader to see Ubuntu anyway.
[06:56] <diver> ive been using it for about 15 days..
[06:56] <diver> Mcrib(i love those tasty things): when i try to install it, it says it needs to be ?ntaf?
[06:57] <diver> i forget what format it says
[06:57] <tyler> dev/sda1       /media/Music ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0   is this the right text to add to fstab to make my ntfs automount on startup?
[06:57] <chris65536> It's unbelievable to me how much work has been put into providing Linux stuff for free that is available on the Internet.
[06:57] <bazhang> diver ntfs
[06:57] <diver> But its so nice chris :D
[06:57] <darkcrab> do any of you guys know how to install a tar.bz2 file?
[06:57] <fragged> so apparently my xubuntu 7.10 install in a virtual PC has locked up or something on 'installing the base system - 6% retrieving libconsole'
[06:57] <darkcrab> or can you point me to a link online or on the forums?
[06:57] <Gokee2> Whats up with .ssh/known_hosts in ubuntu hardy?  I don`t see any ip`s...  Just a bunch of unreadable stuff
[06:58] <McRib> diver: Ah..  So when you installed Ubuntu, you used the whole drive?
[06:58] <diver> Dark i will pm
[06:58] <fragged> Gokee2, there the handshake keys
[06:58] <haelen> Hi. Found a couple of recent problems: Files take about 30 secs
[06:58] <haelen> to open or save.
[06:58] <Ronald> Gokee2: HashKnownHosts is enabled by default
[06:58] <diver> Mcrib yea :/
[06:58] <Gokee2> Ronald, *Great*  Why?
[06:58] <tyler> bazhang diver ntfs?
[06:58] <Rat409> Akuma: i did this  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/197558/comments/14
[06:58] <Ronald> Gokee2: "security"
[06:58] <diver> tyler: ?/
[06:58] <tyler> dev/sda1       /media/Music ntfs-3g  defaults  0   0   is this the right text to add to fstab to make my ntfs automount on startup?
[06:59] <Ronald> Gokee2: throw HashKnownHosts no in .ssh/config or systemwide ssh_config
[06:59] <diver> tyler: or he was telling me something
[06:59] <Gokee2> Ronald, Any way to undo this?  Any if I can`t read them how can I remove the one I want?
[06:59] <diver> oh**
[06:59] <Rat409>  Akuma sorry i get braindead bout this time,should have remebered
[06:59] <McRib> diver: Then yeah... you're going to need to use GParted and most likely reinstall Vista.
[06:59] <Gokee2> Ronald, ok thanks
[06:59] <Akuma> Rat409: Thanks a lot man, I'll try that out and get back to you
[06:59] <diver> mc:Ok, can i keep my ubuntu the same without having to *mess with it
[06:59] <legend2440> darkcrab: http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[07:00] <Gokee2> Ronald, O how do I make the already hashed hosts readable?
[07:01] <Ronald> Gokee2: never investigated about a conversion. removing lines you dislike, and then re-accepting them when you ssh into the host will fix
[07:01] <chris65536> Tyler, did it work?
[07:01] <mojoe430> can anyone help me with kismet?
[07:02] <Gokee2> Ronald, Ya I don`t know what host is what though...  I guess I could just get rid of the whole thing
[07:03] <mojoe430> do you guys have themes on your ubuntu installs?
[07:03] <bluefox83> i need help getting voice recognition software "Gnome-Voice-Control" with sphinx to work...it's not launching correctly as an applet and i have no idea how to launch it otherwise
[07:03] <diver> Hey guys i have another question
[07:04] <bazhang> mojoe430, is that your real question?
[07:04] <diver> Whats the best IMclient to use for webcam (yahoo specifically)
[07:04] <Rat409> diver: for an app GyachI
[07:05] <mojoe430> idk.. i have seen some sweet pics of ubuntu installs jw what you guys use
[07:05] <bluefox83> it's the only one that has webcam support for yahoo
[07:05] <bazhang> mojoe430, you need some links?
[07:05] <mojoe430> if you have some sure..thanks
[07:06] <bazhang> !themes | mojoe430  here are some links
[07:06] <june__> 강분도 / Repo 추가하고 설치 제대로 됐어요
[07:06] <diver> Rat:I am a pretty big noob with ubuntu and the wiki.ubuntu install didnt help me on compiling sources
[07:06] <diver> any tips?
[07:06] <bazhang> june__, english please
[07:06] <darkcrab> compiling is really easy diver
[07:06] <diver> not for i :(
[07:06] <Rat409> diver: one sec
[07:06] <june__> I'm so sorry
[07:06] <bluefox83> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_VoiceControlApplet"   <---anyone know how to fix that?
[07:06] <diver> ok thanks :D
[07:06] <Akuma> Rat409: Dude, you are the shit! You made it work Thanks a lot!!
[07:07] <darkcrab> you need to read the documentation that came with your software package and install all the pre-requisates that the package requires before you do a ./configure
[07:07] <darkcrab> if you dont, it will fail
[07:07] <diver> i typed that in and it gave me some message
[07:07] <bazhang> !ko | june__
[07:07] <diver> one sec
[07:07] <darkcrab> plus, you need to have all the compiling tools installed
[07:07] <mojoe430> hey bazhang do you use kismet?
[07:07] <bazhang> mojoe430, waht is it
[07:08] <mojoe430> kismet?
[07:08] <neil_d> I have just plugged in a netcomm am5066 rave III usb pstn modem.  I need to get it to work can anyone help ?
[07:08] <Peddy> can someone please help me? title bar etc for windows have disappeared.
[07:08] <diver> WTF. i opened notpad and then it asked to force quit. Then it took away both my little start bar thingys
[07:08] <bazhang> mojoe430, aye what is kismet
[07:08] <WanderingKnight> Peddy: Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[07:08] <Rat409> diver http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=158490 some debs for the extra plugins i installed alien used rpms to debs via alien
[07:08] <june__> ubottu / Ok, thanks~!
[07:09] <WanderingKnight> if Ubuntu: open up a console and type: metacity --replace &
[07:09] <tyler> im trying to save my fstab after editing it and its telling me i dont have permission necessary to save it...what do i do?
[07:09] <WanderingKnight> if Kubuntu: open up a console and type: kwin &
[07:09] <diver> rat:i didnt understand anything after some.
[07:09] <Myrtti> !bot | june__
[07:09] <diver> but my bars are gone is there a shortcut to console?
[07:09] <Rat409> tyler edit via sudo gedit
[07:09] <bazhang> !info kismet
[07:09] <diver> like a default?
[07:09] <diver> lol kismet
[07:09] <rafaqat> test
[07:10] <diver> someone trying to get a wep?
[07:10] <bazhang> he left diver
[07:10] <diver> o
[07:10] <diver> :/
[07:10] <Rat409> diver: alien converts rpms to .debs sudo apt-get install alien; alien --help
[07:10] <chris65536> Don't use wep.
[07:10] <coolAbis> komputerx.blogspot.com having funnnnnnnnnnn chit chat
[07:10] <diver> but i just said both my start bars just lost
[07:10] <Rat409> diver: its that or compile sources
[07:10] <diver> they like disapperered
[07:11] <diver> so i cant open console or anyhting
[07:11] <ArthurArchnix> What should the permissions on /tmp be on hardy?
[07:11] <tyler> rat409: how do i open fstab with terminal?
[07:12] <WanderingKnight> tyler: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:12] <legend2440> ArthurArchnix: /tmp is root
[07:12] <DanaG> Odd.... once totem finishes playing a media file...... PulseAudio begins eating CPU like crazy.
[07:12] <ArthurArchnix> Can someone on hardy do in a terminal: cd / && ls -l | grep tmp
[07:12] <Gestapospank> whats the kernel boot command to create a log file of the install on ubuntu?
[07:12] <astro76> ArthurArchnix: how about ls -ld /tmp  ;)
[07:12] <ArthurArchnix> legend2440: That's owner. Ok. What about permissions?
[07:13] <astro76> ArthurArchnix: it needs the setuid bit set, chmod u+s
[07:13] <WanderingKnight> drwxrwxrwt 11 root root
[07:13] <Rat409> the files under /tmp vary somewhat
[07:13] <HermanChess> my DVD drive is not mounting the media, why could this be ?? it mounted perfectly yesterday
[07:13] <astro76> ArthurArchnix: or chmod 1777 /tmp
[07:13] <legend2440> ArthurArchnix: /tmp is drwxrwxrwt
[07:14] <tyler> wanderingknight: nothing happens when i type in that command in terminal
[07:14] <ArthurArchnix> I had trouble logging in after installing another os which shares the tmp partition, so I had to chmod 777 the partition to log into gnome. Ok, thanks astro76 ... that one, I've never seen that in chmod commands before
[07:14] <Rat409> Gestapospank: should be default
[07:14] <RyanPrior> HermanChess: what changed?
[07:14] <ArthurArchnix> legend2440: Cheers, thanks much
[07:14] <chris65536> what
[07:14] <Rat409> tyler: nano mcedit vi vim etc.
[07:14] <lmosher> What's the easiest way to remove all files in a particular folder ever 10 minutes or so?
[07:14] <diver> rat: i extracted gyachi-1.1.26-1.fc8.i386.rpm now what?
[07:15] <GoogleSucks> or even emacs or Jed(If you like them)
[07:15] <chris65536> Or you can use ed
[07:15] <RyanPrior> Gedit?
[07:15] <ArthurArchnix> Ok... all fixed up. thanks legend2440 , astro76
[07:15] <diver> Rat: it made a usr file if you didnt know
[07:15] <astro76> !cron | lmosher
[07:15] <GoogleSucks>  usable
[07:15] <chris65536> Use emacs.
[07:15] <lmosher> Astro, Ok, does it chew up any resources to set up a cron job? Or is it not something to be concerned about?
[07:16] <diver> Rat:do you have aim or something?
[07:16] <RyanPrior> lmosher: Very very little resources.
[07:16] <Rat409> diver: if alien is installed sudo alien -d name.rpm if not cd'd into same folder use full path to .rpm
[07:16] <astro76> lmosher: not really, you already have cron running ;)
[07:16] <lmosher> hah good point
[07:16] <lmosher> ok, I'll try that method. Thanks! :)
[07:16] <chris65536> I've heard of joe but never tried it.
[07:16] <Rat409> diver then gdebi bla.deb
[07:16] <diver> rat: i told you that my start bar thingies just like hide from me is there a default short cut to the console?
[07:16] <HermanChess> RyanPrior: Nothing I think
[07:16] <Rat409> sudo gdebi bla.deb
[07:16] <an0nymous_> hello
[07:17] <Gestapospank> well at the boot command I am looking to do sometype of log=/fd0/bootlog.txt
[07:17] <RyanPrior> HermanChess: Hardware doesn't usually spontaneously stop working, unless it breaks.
[07:17] <Rat409> diver: ctrl+alt+f2
[07:17] <HermanChess> RyanPrior: Oh well I remember I edited the partition table or something to change the label in my windows partition and my disc drive ... I guess that can be it
[07:17] <Gestapospank> but I can't seem to find any type of kernel command to allow me to write the log. This is on ubuntu install, I can't get the thing loaded
[07:20] <chris65536> Supposedly vi is the best if you are proficient enough with it.
[07:21] <Rat409> Gestapospank: try looking here as super-user   /var/log/installer/
[07:21] <snowolf> chris65536: be careful, proably you will be soon hunted by Gnu adepts with large hammers for saying that
[07:21] <Myrtti> !best
[07:22] <Gestapospank> This is on install, there are no partitions and the the install is locking up
[07:22] <chris65536> Thanks for the warning snowolf.  I should have known better.
[07:23] <Myrtti> snowolf, chris65536: as an emacs fangirl I'll just settle to tickle you with an ostrich feather
[07:23] <Myrtti> anyway, offtopic
[07:23] <Rat409> Gestapospank: try dmesg
[07:23] <Gestapospank> I'm hoping to create an install log to a text file so I can send it to a guy at work to tell me why I've spent a week trying to get ubuntu to install
[07:23] <spanther> Myrtti,  meanie xD
[07:23] <Gestapospank> like dmesg=/dev/fd0/bootlog.txt ?
[07:24] <Myrtti> Gestapospank: like dmesg > /media/floppy/bootlog.txt
[07:24] <Gestapospank> ahh Thank you
[07:24] <chris65536> Thanks for not slapping me with a trout.
[07:24] <aldrick> hello! how can i find out what my current window manager is?
[07:24] <mevsthevoices> Yes
[07:24] <tyler> I type in sudo gedit /ect/fstab and a blank text document opens vs all the code i saw earlier
[07:25] <babolat> what Ubuntu are you on, aldrick ?
[07:25] <mevsthevoices> If you haven't changed it, then its gnome or metacity
[07:25] <jaffarkelshac> anyone able to use usb in virtualbox?, i enabled it but the device does not show up,
[07:25] <legend2440> tyler: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:25] <aldrick> xubuntu
[07:25] <mevsthevoices> **metacity
[07:25] <Myrtti> tyler: a) don't use sudo with gedit b) /etc, not /ect
[07:25] <bazhang> xfce
[07:25] <Rat409> no copy/paste from live-cd output of dmesg after installer hangs or look in /var/log also
[07:25] <neil_d> I have just plugged in a netcomm am5066 rave III usb pstn modem.  I need to get it to work can anyone help ?  I can't seem to get anything from it!
[07:26] <babolat> !who | aldrick
[07:26] <babolat> aldrick, you have XFACE
[07:27] <aldrick> i get this though when i try to manage windows These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)
[07:27] <aldrick> oo ok sorry
[07:27] <babolat> !wireless | neil_d
[07:27] <neil_d> babolat: it isn't wireless its USB
[07:27] <babolat> oh sorry neil_d
[07:28] <Rat409> neil_d: try wvdial
[07:28] <tyler> Myrtti: a blank document still opens when i type in the command u said...does it have to do with not being logged in as root or something...and if it does how do i do that
[07:28] <ttmontoya> I install my wireless usb adapter driver and its been detected netwg11t : driver installed	device (1385:4251) present how do i set up the connection
[07:28] <Myrtti> tyler: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab?
[07:28] <legend2440> tyler: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab cut and paste this in terminal
[07:29] <neil_d> Rat409: wvdial -- "Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory''
[07:30] <Rat409> neil_d: lsusb see what device id is google for driver
[07:30] <neil_d> Rat409: wvdialconf -- "no modems detected"
[07:30] <tyler> oh it worked this time
[07:30] <tyler> im a noob sorry guys thanks for help
[07:30] <Myrtti> tyler: np
[07:30] <aldrick> i get this though when i try to manage windows These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)
[07:31] <neil_d> Rat409: would that be "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0572:1300 Conexant Systems (Rockwell), Inc."
[07:31] <LSD|Ninja> WinModem :/
[07:32] <jaffarkelshac> anyone able to use usb in virtualbox?, i enabled it but the device does not show up,
[07:32] <Rat409> neil_d: indeed linuant.com either hcf or hsf softmodem limited speed driver free max is 15 dollars iirc
[07:32] <chris65536> I hated those WinModems.
[07:32] <yaris12346789> okay i ran a wget as a cron job...how can i check how much its downloading at what speed ?
[07:32] <lmosher> something that wasn't clear. I made a cron job in a cron.txt and executed 'crontab cron.txt' to load it. It's working. However, is it only loaded in cron's ram, or will it execute this cron after reboots? If so, where is it stored?
[07:32] <Rat409> neil_d: linuxant,com sorry
[07:34] <LSD|Ninja> WinModems have/had their place, but getting onto dial-up under !windows isn't it :/
[07:34] <chris65536> I would like to dump all the AOL CDs in the yard of the person who came up with the WinModem.
[07:38] <tyler> guys, i still cant get these ntfs files to automount on startup...i have seriously been trying to do this for 3-4 hours now...tried following steps in 2 different links and they didnt work
[07:38] <fulat2k> hi folks, acpi's having problem detecting my 2nd cpu core in my c2d machine after resuming from suspend.  any ideas?
[07:38] <LSD|Ninja> WinModems made internet access affordable. I don't hate them for that. They're the first thing that has to go if you intend on running something other than Windows though.
[07:38] <Rat409> /cl/cl
[07:38] <bazhang> fulat2k, you have 386 or generic kernel
[07:39] <Rat409> sorry typo
[07:39] <fulat2k> bazhang: generic kernel
[07:40] <bazhang> fulat2k, you have apci=off in the boot params?
[07:41] <chris65536> Maybe you are right LSD|Ninja.  But for a few bucks more, you could have gotten a decent modem.
[07:41] <fulat2k> bazhang: nope.
[07:41] <chris65536> tyler, can you mount them not auto?
[07:41] <kelvin911> anyone uses skype?
[07:42] <kelvin911> skype webcam window behave strangely after recent upgrade
[07:42] <tyler> chris65536: yes i can...I cant share them over the network until there mounted right...its a pain in the but to do that everytime i restart....can i copy and paste this file and someone tell me what im doing wrong
[07:43] <tyler> the tutorial i followed was for like ubuntu 6. something given to me by legend
[07:44] <lmosher> When I execute: "crontab cron.txt" does my crontab job survive forever (i.e. between reboots)?
[07:44] <e> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[07:44] <e> /<IP_ADDRESS>/drive2 /media/drive2 cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode  0  0
[07:44] <e> //<IP_ADDRESS>/drive2 /media/drive2 cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode  0  0
[07:44] <e> second one
[07:45] <e> tyler that was for you btw
[07:45] <chris65536> Tyler, So you are really talking about mounting over the network rather than local?
[07:46] <patrick_> Why isn't there a wheel group?
[07:47] <astro76> patrick_: ubuntu uses admin group
[07:47] <jaffarkelshac> i need help using scp when sshed in the host
[07:48] <xaphoo> is the hardy-proposed repo safe to use?
[07:48] <icogens> Soooo.. any chance someone might have to time to help me with Broadcom wireless issues? I know you all love those.
[07:48] <LSD|Ninja> chris65536: hardware modems sell for 3x the price of a WinModem here
[07:48] <e> xaphoo you should ask if hardyis safe to use period
[07:49] <patrick_> Well I'm trying to use libtomcrypt
[07:49] <patifa> xaphoo: Technically, no.
[07:49] <e> imo it should still be beta
[07:49] <xaphoo> well, on my comp Hardy (without the proposed repos) is doing great
[07:49] <patrick_> but when i do make install it fails since it appears to rely on the wheel group existing
[07:49] <e> i upgraded my dist
[07:49] <e> and i really wish i hadn't
[07:49] <e> its crippled my pc
[07:49] <e> not entirely
[07:50] <e> but its crippled about 50% of what i do on here
[07:50] <bazhang> !enter | e
[07:51] <LSD|Ninja> icogens: I replaced the Broadcom in my sisters Lenovo with an Intel 3945abg. Was quite surprised when it came up first time in xubuntu of all things.
[07:51] <King_anarky> ill be...
[07:52] <King_anarky> ^quit
[07:52] <tyler> e: whats wrong with this /dev/sda1       /media/Music ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0
[07:52] <icogens> I'm sort of stuck with the linksys card I bought, it worked fine in 7.10 with ndiswrapper, but once I upgraded to 8.04 it worked whenever it felt like it, and now not so much at all.
[07:52] <King_anarky> that took care of _redBall_ :P
[07:52] <King_anarky> im out
[07:52] <zimnyx> Can I limit bandwidth for ubuntu update manager?
[07:52] <zimnyx> I'll try triclkle
[07:52] <chris65536> LSD|Ninja, do they still sell WinModems where you are?  Where are you?  I guess if you can't afford an all-hardware modem, a WinModem is you're only alternative.
[07:52] <zimnyx> *trickle
[07:53] <Lokii-> UUID=547C7E957C7E719A /media/sda1     ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[07:53] <Bjbbop> shish kabab
[07:53] <Bjbbop> ya habibi
[07:53] <Bjbbop> :P
[07:53] <bazhang> !ot | Bjbbop
[07:54] <icogens> It's basically a Broadcom BCM43XG with a Linksys label on it. None of the tutorials I've found for using b43-fwcutter have worked, and I can't even really find any info on the BCM43XG at all. It's killin me.
[07:54] <sa125> quit
[07:54] <LSD|Ninja> chris65536: I haven't checked recently but last time I did check, a basic PCI WinModem was <AUD$20 whjile you were looking at AUD$60+ for an external modem.
[07:54] <chris65536> I bought a WinModem, and it was a second-hand OEM WinModem.  It as a POS.  I'm cheap.
[07:55] <Lokii-> people buy modems in australia still ?
[07:55] <computer-3> hi all
[07:55] <tyler> lokii: was that for me?
[07:55] <Lokii-> here broadband is as cheap or cheaper then dialup
[07:56] <chris65536> LSD|Ninja, sorry, what is AUD$?
[07:56] <Lokii-> australia dollar
[07:56] <chris65536> I see.
[07:56] <patrick_> Ok so I have a program that assumes there is going to be a wheel group
[07:56] <chris65536> Make a wheel group, patrick.
[07:57] <patrick_> um
[07:57] <patrick_> ok
[07:57] <tyler> chris: no im talking about mounting locally so i can access the files from my windows computer
[07:57] <tyler> but everytime i restart i have to manually mount them
[07:57] <kelvin911> anyone uses skype?
[07:58] <Lokii-> tyler are they usb drives or anything like that or internal drives?
[07:58] <lmosher> Anyone know a way to force firefox to reload all pages from a command line?
[07:58]  * DracoZA is installing 8.04 on his old HP laptop...and holding thumbs...
[07:58] <tyler> no huge drives formated in ntfs
[07:58] <tyler> anyone wanna look at my fstab file
[07:58] <tyler> or can i paste the code
[07:58] <chris65536> Tyler, do you mean you are dual booting Windows and Linux?
[07:58] <lmosher> You'll have to buy me a drink first.
[07:58] <tyler> linux
[07:59] <tyler> im in 8.04 right now
[07:59] <tyler> yes i can read that im not registered though
[07:59] <Lokii-> tyler is your nick regged to nickserv here?
[07:59] <Lokii-> register so you can chat back to
[07:59] <tyler> link me to reg real fast
[07:59] <Lokii-> i'll help ya out
[07:59] <tyler> sorry
[07:59] <gordonjcp> !pastebin | tyler
[07:59] <tyler> thanks man i really appreciate it
[08:00] <Lokii-> /msg nickserv help register
[08:01] <xaphoo> Does anyone recommend using the hardy-proposed packages?  Or should I stay away from them...
[08:02] <xaphoo> ah well, I'm going for it
[08:02] <Halleck> I have an odd setup in my mind and was wondering if someone had any ideas on how I would implement it. Basically I have 2 computers and 2 monitors, I want to be able to switch between dual monitor for one computer and a monitor for each computer in an easy manner. Got any ideas?
[08:02] <Halleck> The keyboard/mouse usage should be able to be handled correctly by synergy
[08:03] <kelvin911> anyone uses skype?
[08:03] <bazhang> Halleck, this sounds like a hardware question
[08:03] <fde> xaphoo: hardy-proposed is for updates that haven't been tested yet, if you use it, you should expect bugs
[08:04] <xaphoo> ok... any way to revert out of proposed?
[08:04] <fde> kelvin911: Skype doesn't abide by any standards, try OpenWengo or Gizmo or something that doesn't suck.
[08:05] <kelvin911> why all of the suddent, the webcam window in skype is all screw up?
[08:05] <kelvin911> it was fine before
[08:05] <fde> xaphoo: all -proposed updates eventually go into -updates after testing, so just unselect it and let it go.
[08:05] <xaphoo> ok...
[08:05] <fde> kelvin911: Who knows, ask Skype, we can't support it and they're not a partner of Canonical so we don't have to try  :P
[08:05] <chris65536> See ya
[08:06] <jbuncher> xaphoo:  If you want to go back to an earlier version, look up the package in synaptic, there you should be able to force install a particular package version
[08:06] <kelvin911> i think it may have something to do with the new update
[08:06] <fips> hello?
[08:06] <fde> jbuncher: you can't downgrade using any apt based tool.
[08:07] <RyanPrior> !hi | fips
[08:07] <fips> so um.. is there a "root" on ubuntu
[08:07] <ghindo> fips:  absolutely
[08:07] <fde> fips: use sudo
[08:07] <RyanPrior> !sudo | fips
[08:07] <jbuncher> fde:  I thought you could, if multiple versions of the package was on the server?
[08:07] <fips> or is it what like the name you chose earlier
[08:07] <fde> jbuncher: no
[08:07] <xaphoo> I have to say, Hardy is the smoothest, best looking, fastest desktop I've ever run
[08:07] <RyanPrior> fips: It's sort of like both. You never log in as root, but you can gain root powers temporarily by using sudo.
[08:07] <fips> so like, you know the user swithcer?
[08:08] <jbuncher> fde:  Hmm. ok.  How is the force version option useful then?
[08:08] <fde> fips: Ubuntu thinks its more user friendly to only have to remember 1 password... so yes.
[08:08] <fips> what is sudo exactly?
[08:08] <RyanPrior> xaphoo: It's really enjoyable to use, sans the few bugs we're still working out. :-)
[08:08] <ghindo> fips:  sudo grants root privelages for a short period of time
[08:08] <xaphoo> the only bad thing is how flash overloads my CPU and makes it overheat... pretty bad, but it's adobe's fault
[08:08] <fde> jbuncher: If you're using multiple sources?
[08:08] <fips> and i should never log in as root?
[08:08] <fde> xaphoo: yup, nothing you can really do about it...
[08:08] <bazhang> fips on irc?
[08:08] <RyanPrior> fips: sudo is a privilege elevation framework. It lets you provide fine-tuned control to what users can elevate to what privilege levels.
[08:09] <RyanPrior> fips: Not only should you not log in as root, you cannot log in as root on Ubuntu.
[08:09] <jerknextdoor> fips:  no.
[08:09] <fips> and why didn't i create a root password during the install?
[08:09] <ghindo> fips:  It's generally recommended that you don't log in as root
[08:09] <fips> pj
[08:09] <RyanPrior> fips: Because there is no root password, and no way to log in as root.
[08:09] <ghindo> fips:  It's automatically assumed that the main user will be the root user, too
[08:09] <HSNews> how to create partition on non empty disk without loosing information?
[08:09] <HSNews> it's real?
[08:09] <jbuncher> fde:  so you're saying the force version option only lets you select what version to upgrade to, and not one to downgrade to?
[08:09] <Y-Town> fips: your user password is the root password
[08:09] <fips> so there is no root
[08:09] <robert__> sudo su -
[08:09] <LSD|Ninja> If you feel as though you need to be able to log in as the actual root user for something then you're doing it wrong
[08:09] <robert__> passwd
[08:09] <fips> ok, thank you
[08:09] <RyanPrior> fips: No, root is still there - you just have to use sudo to access root's capabilities.
[08:10] <RyanPrior> robert__: Do not use sudo su -
[08:10] <fde> fips: you can do things like 'echo "foo" | sudo tee -a' rather than echo foo >> somefile ... so it's not needed... or just 'sudo -i' for a root terminal.
[08:10] <RyanPrior> robert__: if you want a root terminal, use sudo -i
[08:10] <fde> jbuncher: pretty much, yes.
[08:10] <HSNews> how to create partition on non empty disk without losing information?
[08:10] <fips> thanks for the help
[08:10] <jbuncher> RyanPrior, there is a "root password", it's just locked.
[08:10] <ghindo> RyanPrior:  Why shouldn't you use sudo su?
[08:10] <RyanPrior> HSNews: you'll need to shrink an existing partition.
[08:10] <jaffarkelshac> you want to resize the disk? HSNews
[08:11] <fde> jbuncher: there is /var/cache/apt/archive ... you can manually install an old version if it's still there, then hold that version or something...
[08:11] <jbuncher> fde:  hmm.....couldn't you just uninstall the app that you want to downgrade from, and install the one you want to downgrade to?
[08:11] <RyanPrior> jbuncher: Hypothetically, there is a root password, but it's random and it would take a large amount of time to brute force it.
[08:11] <fips> oh yes, how do i open up like a shell or something to type in sudo -i
[08:11] <fde> jbuncher: You don't have to uninstall it, just install the old version via dpkg itself...
[08:11] <jerknextdoor> fips:  applications - accessories - terminal
[08:12] <jussi01> fips: applications, accessories - terminal
[08:12] <fde> RyanPrior: no... the root account is disabled... hence the '!'
[08:12] <RyanPrior> ghindo: There is a system of environment variables and such that are not set correctly when sudo su is used. sudo -i does special environment switching to make sure weird things don't happen.
[08:12] <fde> RyanPrior: in /etc/shadow
[08:12] <HSNews> I have 250gb disk, with two partition: C(50gb - windowsxp) and D(200gb - work files). And i want to install Ubuntu to 200gb disk. Resize it to 150(work files) and 50(for ubuntu)
[08:12] <HSNews> it is real?
[08:12] <jbuncher> fde:  so if there are multiple versions of a package in the repositories (such as one in -proposed and one main), how is using the force version to downgrade from proposed to main any different than just installing a old deb from /var/apt/archive?
[08:13] <Flannel> !pinning | jbuncher
[08:13] <fips> why does ubuntu automatically deny me full power over the system
[08:13] <Flannel> jbuncher: oh, different question. nevermind
[08:13] <Flannel> fips: What?
[08:13] <jerknextdoor> fips: it doesnt.  it saves you from breaking it.
[08:13] <RyanPrior> fips: There is no denial of power. It's a security decision.
[08:13] <jaffarkelshac> what os are you usning HSNews
[08:13] <RyanPrior> fips: You still have full power to administer, fix, break, and do everything root can do on your system.
[08:13] <HSNews> jaffarkelshac, winxp and ubuntu804
[08:13] <fde> jbuncher: /var/cache/apt/archive ... it tells it what version to install... but it'll be overridden if you don't hold the package.
[08:13] <RyanPrior> fips: Run sudo -i and you'll get a root prompt, just like on any system.
[08:14] <Flannel> but there's hardly any reason to use sudo -i anyway
[08:14] <jaffarkelshac> i thought you wanted to format to install ubuntu HSNews
[08:14] <fips> ahh
[08:14] <DracoZA> whats -i for ?
[08:14] <fips> thanks
[08:14] <RyanPrior> fips: However, for security reasons, Ubuntu is designed so that you very rarely have to use a generic root terminal, and the opportunities to screw up your system are minimized.
[08:14] <jbuncher> fde:  I must not be getting my question across, nm.
[08:14] <fips> i just wanted to be able to you know?
[08:14] <jaffarkelshac> Flannel: if you have to enter a series of commands, and want to avoid sudo everytime
[08:15] <bluefox83> calibrating and teaching gnome-voice-control is HARD!
[08:15] <fde> jbuncher: unless you hold the package, apt-get upgrade will always upgrade to the newest version of the package, you can't then say 'apt-get install older_version' because apt will tell you it's already installed.
[08:15] <HSNews> I want to resize exists partition without losing information
[08:15] <RyanPrior> fips: I know the "no root terminal" thing strikes a lot of people coming to Ubuntu as strange, but having used Ubuntu for a couple years now, I never use the root terminal anymore.
[08:15] <fips> one last question
[08:15] <HSNews> and create new empty partition for ubuntu
[08:15] <Flannel> jaffarkelshac: there's very few times when you'd need to do that, or at least, when the number of separate commands would deem a root prompt necessary.
[08:16] <RyanPrior> HSNews: what type of partition do you have currently?
[08:16] <fips> i already like it better than any other distro ive used
[08:16] <fde> jbuncher: I don't even see the --force-version option in man apt-get...
[08:16] <fips> and windows
[08:16] <jbuncher> fde:  right, but forgetting about pinning the package so that apt-get upgrade will "keep" the right version, if I've got a later version of a package, and multiple versions are in the repositories, I should be able to force-version an older package, yes?
[08:16] <HSNews> two NTFS partitions
[08:16] <jbuncher> fde: hmm......I thought it was there
[08:16] <jbuncher> fde:  nm then
[08:16] <fde> jbuncher: dpkg --force-help ... it's part of dpkg
[08:16] <fips> i just installed 7.10, should i upgrade to the newest one like 8.?.?
[08:17] <gs-d876> hsnews: do you have a spare hard drive you can use to temporarily hold stuff?
[08:17] <RyanPrior> fips: Since you probably don't have any valuable data to lose, this is as good a time as any to upgrade.
[08:17] <LSD|Ninja> fips: wait for 8.10
[08:17] <jaffarkelshac> if you are using ubuntu right now, the program that allows partition resizing is gparted HSNews
[08:17] <bazhang> fips wait until there is sound in flash
[08:17] <Vegombrei> greetings freinds
[08:17] <jbuncher> fde:  I guess it's not an option on apt, but you can do apt-get install package=version# according to man page
[08:17] <jerknextdoor> bazhang:  you dont have sound in flash?  i'm not having any problems
[08:17] <jaffarkelshac> ofcourse you need to be extra careful before applying final changes HSNews
[08:17] <RyanPrior> fips: There are a few bugs we're wrestling with, such as sound in Adobe Flash, but I suspect those will be fixed within months if not weeks.
[08:17] <fips> ubuntu almost makes everything too easy =)
[08:17] <fde> jbuncher: that's not the same as downgrading though.
[08:18] <Vegombrei> last night my computer updated distribution or something and now everything seems a bit different
[08:18] <xaphoo> is the latest kernel upgrade in hardy-proposed worth getting?
[08:18] <HSNews> gs-d876, I have only one 250gb HDD (((
[08:18] <shadowxp> I am trying to compile php... where are the MySQL client libraries located?
[08:18] <LSD|Ninja> fips: I'm getting the distinct impression LTS means "released something horribly broken because we have 3 years to get it right" :/
[08:18] <jbuncher> fde:  what is the difference?
[08:18] <HSNews> Okey, thanks! I'll try
[08:18] <Flannel> xaphoo: no.  -proposed are more or less untested
[08:18] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: That's actually pretty close. Howver, on the whole, Hardy is awesomely solid.
[08:18] <bazhang> xaphoo, how good are at fixing breakage from the command line (ie no gui)?
[08:18] <fde> jbuncher: one, you're installing a certain version, the archive will only have the version you have, or newer... the other is installing a lower version.
[08:19] <xaphoo> ok I'm unchecking the proposed repos... I just upgraded a bunch of stuff (one reboot with proposed), but the second reboot proposes these kernel upgrades I dont want to deal with
[08:19] <xaphoo> bazhang: not good at all
[08:19] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: I do lots of C++ development, web development, graphics work, and so on -- all those work 100% on Hardy. It's just web browsing that gets me, pretty much.
[08:19] <Zaiden> How do I disable Pulse?
[08:19] <bazhang> xaphoo, then steer clear
[08:19] <RyanPrior> Zaiden: Why do you want to do that?
[08:19] <Vegombrei> does anyone know what happens when it updates distribution ?
[08:19] <gs-d876> hsnews: maybe try wubi?
[08:19] <fde> xaphoo: I thought I told you you shouldn't enable hardy-proposed ?
[08:19] <fips> i got a book Linux Programming in 24 hours, i might start in on it tomorrow
[08:19] <o88o> my printer hp 1018 laserjet dosn't work with 8.04 .. every thing is ok until processing ??
[08:19] <jbuncher> fde:  Understood, the version you want has to be in the repos, but if you're downgrading from a -proposed package (say one that broke something) to the main repo package, that should work, right?
[08:19] <LSD|Ninja> RyanPrior: I'm still more than a little annoyed that a handful of things that worked in Gutsy were dropped, moved or just plain broken in Hardy. Not cool for a long term releases.
[08:19] <RyanPrior> Vegombrei: A bunch of new packages are installed, old ones are removed, and the rest are upgraded.
[08:19] <fde> Vegombrei: it... um.... updates release version?
[08:20] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: we put the new packages in because we know we will get them working. We're putting you through a little hardship right now because, in LTS, we've got our eye on the long run.
[08:20] <xaphoo> um, well you advised caution, so the brave soul that I am I went ahead... all that it upgraded was some gtk stuff and evolution and nvidia (which still works well)
[08:20] <fips> does xchat gnome do multiple servers?
[08:20] <fde> jbuncher: I don't think so, but it might... I've never tried it though in the 8 years of using Debian.
[08:20] <Flannel> jbuncher: yes, probably a good idea to remove -proposed while you're at it
[08:20] <Vegombrei> RyanPrior: ,fde but everything seems different now
[08:20] <xaphoo> and everything works fine still
[08:21] <RyanPrior> Vegombrei: different how/
[08:21] <bazhang> xaphoo, for now.
[08:21] <fde> Vegombrei: Yes, because you upgraded release version... so everything is at least 6 months newer... FOSS moves fast.
[08:21] <DracoZA> fips, yes it does
[08:21] <LSD|Ninja> RyanPrior: It's nothing that I personally couldn't fix if it became a problem I don't think it's reasonable to put the market you actively pitch to through that nonsense
[08:21] <jbuncher> fde,Flannel: ok, thanks.  It wasn't something I needed to do, was just curious.
[08:21] <xaphoo> ok, so I've unchecked proposed...
[08:21] <fips> how?
[08:21] <Zaiden> RyanPrior: I was told that disabling Pulse would make voice chat work in second life.
[08:21] <RudyValencia> Ubuntu offers several IRCd's but not UnrealIRCd, why?
[08:21] <DracoZA> fips, oops u asked gnome lemme check
[08:21] <fde> RudyValencia: use dancer-ircd
[08:22] <RudyValencia> then I'd have to become a freenode server
[08:22] <fips> i want to get on dalnet too
[08:22] <fde> RudyValencia: It's not in the repo because no one cared enough to package it.
[08:22] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: There's absolutely no pressure on anybody to upgrade, the bug tracker is public, and I don't know about others, but when somebody comes in here asking whether they should wait, I always tell them yes, unless there's some feature in Hardy they're dying for.
[08:22] <RudyValencia> freenode uses dancer
[08:22] <Vegombrei> hmmm so everyones computers get updated automatically while you're asleep ?
[08:22] <fde> RudyValencia: No you wouldn't.
[08:22] <HSNews> gs-d876, I'll try, thanks! :)
[08:22] <jason_1> when i fire up an xfce session it just hangs with the background, no icons, bars, etc. need to do a ctrl+alt+bksp to get out
[08:22] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: Unlike with Windows Vista, we're not doing anything to pressure Gutsy users to jump to Hardy.
[08:22] <RudyValencia> If I knew how to package unrealIRCd I would
[08:22] <DracoZA> fips yes gnome does, u just connect to as many as you want
[08:22] <fips> what is Hardy?
[08:23] <LSD|Ninja> RyanPrior: You may not pressure, but you encourage
[08:23] <jbuncher> RyanPrior:  At least, not for another 12 months :P
[08:23] <fips> yeah but how?
[08:23] <LSD|Ninja> fips: Ubuntu 8.04
[08:23] <fde> RudyValencia: Well, until then, or until you get someone to package it for you, it won't be in the archive.
[08:23] <RyanPrior> Zaiden: I think a better question would be, how do you get Second Life to use PulseAudio?
[08:23] <Flannel> RudyValencia: #ubuntu-motu if you're interested
[08:23] <bazhang> !ot
[08:24] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: I think Hardy is a great upgrade for any power-user or enthusiast, but people who aren't those tend to stay behind for awhile, which is a good thing.
[08:24] <fde> RudyValencia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[08:24] <BonezAU> Hi, im using network-manager-gnome to connect to my Wi-Fi at home. I have got it set up in a fairly manual fashion. I need to specify my DNS servers and default gateway for it to work. Since i've had it set up like this, I can  no longer connect to my work VPN connection (I could in the past). Basically since I disabled 'wireless roaming mode' and put in the details manually, my VPN will not connect. Anyone got any advice? Thanks
[08:24] <bazhang> ubuntu has zero vendor lock-in; it is offtopic at any rate
[08:24] <xaphoo> I have to say that my first couple days with hardy were tough though since for some reason powernowd wasn't throtting my CPU correctly
[08:24] <Zaiden> "Update: Second Life voice support appears to be incompatible with PulseAudio as shipped by default on Ubuntu systems starting with 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon). Workaround is to install esound as a replacement for PulseAudio, as described in the comments below. "
[08:24] <RyanPrior> BonezAU: I ran into that problem awhile ago as well - could never figure it out.
[08:24] <xaphoo> and it was overheating
[08:25] <Zaiden> esound?
[08:25] <BonezAU> RyanPrior, yeah its very strange. Almost like a bug I guess?
[08:25] <leif_> any one know if a creative live sound card work on ubunto
[08:25] <ibleed> xaphoo, what did you find out ?  my temps have been 10 degrees higher
[08:25] <RyanPrior> BonezAU: If it isn't a bug in the program, it's at least a usability bug.
[08:25] <ikonia> leif_: depends on the model
[08:25] <BonezAU> RyanPrior, absolutely. I might head off to launchpad and see if any others have reported it yet.
[08:25] <leif_> ok
[08:25] <negge^> leif_: I have a creative soundblaster live 5.1 and it works out-of-the-box
[08:25] <negge^> haven't tried surround mode though
[08:25] <Buyyde1> Has anyone of you ever heard of a desktop applet which you can put at the side of your way too wide widescreen and then shows a little picture of the other workspaces? I.e. like you can watch several TV channels in split screen mode, just with workspaces :) I always lose programs somewhere on some mysterious workspace...
[08:25] <xaphoo> ibleed: I reinstalled powernowd, and set it for low-aggression mode (not sure the command, look it up on the forums)
[08:26] <leif_> strge
[08:26] <leif_> strage
[08:26] <leif_> maybe a alsaconf
[08:26] <xaphoo> still though, if I am doing a long CPU intensive task like updating my music library, or if I am watching flash, my CPU heats to 100 degrees
[08:26] <BonezAU> RyanPrior, I have this other problem, every time I go to use my laptop the battery is flat... oops, PEBCAK :)
[08:26] <RyanPrior> xaphoo: Sounds like you need better CPU cooling.
[08:26] <xaphoo> Ryan: yeah but I've never had any problem with Vista or with old ubuntus (I used to run edgy)
[08:26] <kasra> Buyyde1: it's not applet , but there's something in compiz-fusion
[08:27] <LSD|Ninja> RyanPrior: Power Users and enthusiasts don't typically run Ubuntu though and that's the issue here. I'd let the issues I've had slide if this were any other distro but I hold Ubuntu toa higher standard because you actively pitch to a market that shouldn't have to put up with this BS.
[08:27] <xaphoo> it is possible that it got all dusted up though
[08:27] <leif_> i got a live 5.1 inside version
[08:27] <xaphoo> I should get one of those cans of compressed air
[08:27] <icogens> By chance, has anyone happened to get a Linksys WMP300N wireless pci card to work in 8.04?
[08:27] <Flannel> LSD|Ninja, RyanPrior, mind taking it to #ubuntu-offtopic?  thanks
[08:27] <bazhang> LSD|Ninja, please stay ontopic
[08:27] <ibleed> RyanPrior, my cpu temps rose 10 degrees from gutsy to hardy.
[08:27] <fde> !anyone | LSD|Ninja
[08:27] <Buyyde1> kasra: Do you remeber the name of the feature? That would speed up the research :)
[08:27] <LSD|Ninja> fde: ?
[08:27] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: It's unfortunate that we can't bust 100% of the bugs, but we came pretty close in Hardy.
[08:28] <RyanPrior> LSD|Ninja: I would prefer to continue the discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like. :-)
[08:28] <LSD|Ninja> You can't bust 100% of the bugs because you don't make an effort
[08:28] <fde> !anyone | icogens
[08:28] <bazhang> RyanPrior, LSD|Ninja  take this to offtopic please
[08:28] <fde> LSD|Ninja: sorry
[08:28] <negge^> :D
[08:29] <DracoZA> has anyone used vmware server with 7.10 successfully ?
[08:29] <fde> !anyone
[08:29] <fde> grrrr hit enter too fast... DracoZA ^^
[08:29] <kasra> Buyyde1: sorry , try looking in ccsm , I have it with Super+E , or I have somthing simillar with F10
[08:29] <Buyyde1> kasra: ccsm?
[08:29] <kasra> Buyyde1: compiz config settings manager
[08:29] <bluefoxx> is it just me or is packages.ubuntu.com down? and a lot of ubuntu [network]services seem to be failing[from all my computers]...connections dropping out left and right
[08:29] <fde> Buyyde1: Recommend installing 'simple-ccsm' ....
[08:30] <Buyyde1> I'll give it try, thanks.
[08:30] <jbuncher> DracoZA:  Yes, I have.  What is your specific question?
[08:30] <Flannel> bluefoxx: p.u.c works for me
[08:30] <kasra> Buyyde1: cheers
[08:30] <fde> !repomirror | They are rather slow for everyone due to recent release:
[08:30] <icogens> Fair enough. I have a Linksys WMP300N card in my box. It worked alright in 7.10 using ndiswrapper, but I can't get the thing to do much in 8.04. I've tried pretty much every How-to I could find, and still no luck. What uh, what should I do?
[08:30] <jbuncher> DracoZA:  Actually, let me ask a clarifying question.  When you say  "use with 7.10", do you mean 7.10 is the host, or the guest (virtualized) os?
[08:31] <DracoZA> jbuncher, Ive had a nightmare of an issue where a full installation works perfectly, I take the entire pc and plug it in on another network and vmware just refuses to work at all
[08:31] <fde> icogens: lspci | grep -i wireless return anything?
[08:31] <bluefoxx> Flannel: its failed to load a simple search page for "camstream" for the past hour...finally decided it doesnt exist or timed out :\
[08:31] <DracoZA> jbuncher, 7.10 is the host
[08:31] <pvh_sa|wrk> heya, since i upgraded to heron my dialog boxes (e.g. password dialog for thunderbird) always open up maximised - any ideas why?
[08:31] <icogens> fde: Nothing
[08:31] <urlwolf>  I use it as a login shell, and it doesn't seem to be reading the /.config/fish/config.fish file...
[08:31] <urlwolf> any idea why
[08:31] <urlwolf> ?
[08:31] <fde> icogens: ok... can you paste your lspci to paste.ubuntu.com for me?
[08:31] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: do all windows do that? are you using compiz?
[08:31] <jbuncher> DracoZA:  Can you clarify "refuses to work at all?"
[08:31] <Flannel> bluefoxx: ah... search is much slower.  Perhaps its stored on a different host.  And yeah, I get a timeout too.  You doing it for a different version as your own?
[08:32] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, yes, using compiz. no, my terminal windows don't open like that (gnome-terminal)
[08:32] <bluefoxx> Flannel: im doing the search from firefox 3.0 in hardy heron...
[08:32] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: check ccsm > Window Placement > Placement Mode
[08:32] <urlwolf> Sorry,  I use fish as a login shell, and it doesn't seem to be reading the /.config/fish/config.fish file...
[08:32] <Flannel> bluefoxx:  no no, I meant, you're on hardy looking for stuff on hardy?
[08:32] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: make sure it's not on "Maximized"
[08:32] <icogens> fde: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11618/
[08:33] <fde> icogens: This is a clean install?
[08:33] <DracoZA> jbuncher, it pretty much misbehaves with a few errors, but the two most common ones are to simply tell me that vmware is not installed when I connect to local host or secondly to tell me that the bridged adapter is down
[08:33] <icogens> fde: no, I upgraded from 7.10 using the online upgrade
[08:33] <jbuncher> DracoZA:  Did you set your networking up as bridged?
[08:33] <DracoZA> jbuncher, I googled the bridged adapter issue and found a few instances but no resolutions
[08:34] <bluefoxx> Flannel: i cant connect to the server to install camstreams to test if i fixed my webcam OK[perhaphs i should set up a local mirror on my LAN...for the packages i install ofton like ubuntu updates and such. i do reinstall on one of my machines about once a week and re-updating every third day on a 30KB/s connection is a PITA]
[08:34] <fde> icogens: sudo aptitude install b43-fwcutters please
[08:34] <DracoZA> jbuncher, originally as bridged but I then tried as nat to avoid the problem but as soon as the machine gets plugged into a new network nothing works
[08:34] <Flannel> bluefoxx: That's not what I asked.  You're using p.u.c to search for hardy software, on a hardy box, yes?
[08:34] <keith_> \join
[08:34] <bluefoxx> Flannel: yus
[08:35] <Y-Town> when I goto logout and select "shut down" my system goes to a black screen and hangs until I "ctrl-alt-delete"  any ideas or where can I maybe find an error report for this?
[08:35] <Flannel> bluefoxx: you can use (and I prefer) apt-cache search [terms]
[08:35] <DracoZA> jbuncher, I have run the network config to scan for new unused networks etc with no success
[08:35] <urlwolf> anyone using the fish shell here?
[08:35] <Flannel> bluefoxx: it even allows you to use more than one word!
[08:35] <fde> icogens: When that's done, please log out and back in, and tell me whether right clicking on the 2computers icon in your panel says "Enable Wireless"
[08:35] <Halleck> What happens when you have a dual monitor setup and you unplug one monitor? Does it revert to a single monitor display?
[08:35] <fde> icogens: via the right click menu....
[08:36] <icogens> fde: I've already installed it, however, I switched from NM to WIDC. Should I switch back to NM?
[08:36] <Buyyde1> kasra, fde: I had ccsm installed already and used it too (it's the 'advanced appearance settings' in the menu ^^) but I didn't find anything there. It's a shame the features aren't explained properly in most of the cases, it mainly just repeats the name. Would you mind having a look where the feature is in your case?
[08:36] <Flannel> bluefoxx: that o course won't help you with the download from the mirror, but at least you can verify whether packages exist
[08:36] <fde> Halleck: yes via hotplug
[08:36] <bluefoxx> Flannel: cool! i shall try that[tab-completeion of aptitude install cam<tab tab> failed to show anything :0 ]
[08:36] <jbuncher> DracoZA:  Ok.  I don't think I know how to really go about solving this.  I don't have any issues on my install (installed from repos) and it uses the NAT networking just fine, both at home and on campus (two different networks, both wireless)
[08:36] <fde> icogens: NetworkManager is superior imo... so I'd suggest yes.
[08:36] <Flannel> bluefoxx: If you're using firefox.... you have gnome, you can use synaptic too.  Its got search et al built in
[08:37] <leif_> now i found out it is a x-fi sound blaster that proberly not work
[08:37] <fde> icogens: We're going to get it working via NetworkManager, ndiswrapper doesn't work with NetworkManager, hence having to use WIDC
[08:37] <ghindo> Why is it that when I press Ctrl + Alt + an F button, it brings up a terminal-like screen?
[08:37] <kelvin911> any skype user here?
[08:37] <antonsky> what do i need to install for playing ape with rhythmbox
[08:37] <Buyyde1> kelvin911: yes
[08:37] <antonsky> hi
[08:37] <bluefoxx> Flannel: eh, i like to install from terminal, less drain on CPU resources [only on a crappy little<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:37] <Flannel> ghindo: because you've switched to a tty.  your GUI exists on ctrl-alt-f7, 1-6 are separate logins
[08:37] <icogens> fde: Okay, I just reinstalled NM, WIDC is gone.
[08:37] <fde> kelvin911: try #skype or something.
[08:37] <kelvin911> Buyyde1: do u  use webcam?
[08:38] <Buyyde1> kelvin911: no
[08:38] <Flannel> bluefoxx: fair enough.  Just making sure you know all your options
[08:38] <fde> icogens: Did the icon show up again in the System Tray?
[08:38] <ghindo> Flannel:  What's a tty and why are they installed?
[08:38] <icogens> fde: I just loaded nm-applet, yes.
[08:38] <fde> icogens: ok... right click ... does it say "Enable Wireless"?
[08:38] <DracoZA> jbuncher, very odd problem indeed it makes no sense to me to take a working machine plug it into another network with exactly the same settings and then nothing works, I am installing 8.04 now and then going to try the whole installation again, I hope vmware and 8.04 are happy
[08:38] <kindofabuzz> what's that movie called about linux? or maybe it's just about open source.
[08:38] <kelvin911> please look http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotzw8.png
[08:39] <icogens> fde: No. There isn't a wireless option in Network Settings, either.
[08:39] <DistroJockey> bluefoxx, you could use:   sudo apt-cache search cam
[08:39] <Flannel> ghindo: tty stans for TeleTYpe, basically its a terminal (like what you'd get if you didn't have a GUI)... they're "installed" because theyre required, they're running because they're configured to by default
[08:39] <jbuncher> DracoZA:  gl
[08:39] <bluefoxx> Flannel: i rabidly read man pages for anything new im using XD[i go so far as to steal a screen from another box to read it there and work un-inturrupted on a terminal in my main monitor >D]
[08:39] <DracoZA> rabidly hehe
[08:39] <fde> icogens: lsmod | grep b43 return anything?
[08:40] <ghindo> Flannel:  Thanks for the explanations!
[08:40] <fragged> mhm virtualbox hangs on 'Installing the base system (6%) Retrieving libconsole' on xubuntu 7.10 is there any workaround as this is only a temporary system for an assignment (where I have to make a directory in my home directory and mount a floppy drive) and downloading a 8.04 release would take longer on my connection than the rest of the assignment :E
[08:40]  * fde is starting to wish Ubuntu had waiting for 2.6.25 kernel... added a bunch of broadcom drivers.
[08:40] <icogens> fde: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11619/
[08:40] <fde> icogens: I asked whether it returned anything... that's yes or no  :)
[08:41] <bluefoxx> DistroJockey: tried it, got nothing T_T looks like my old favourite program for viewing my webcam is gone.... allways VLC though>) and it can stream to another computer on the network[but can stream to general network :(]
[08:41] <fragged> fde, waiting for a kernel would be silly, because you'd always be waiting for the next release... do it like the rest of us, if you need an upgraded kernel do it yourself ;)
[08:41] <DracoZA> fragged, ive had installations sit on 6% for several minutes before just FYI
[08:41] <Flannel> ghindo: if you'd like, you can reduce the number that start by default (but you shouldn't remove all of them for safety reasons), but they don't use a whole lot, so its probably not worth it
[08:41] <icogens> fde: Er, yes then ;)
[08:41] <DistroJockey> bluefoxx, ahh *nods*
[08:41] <fragged> DracoZA, I just went out for about and hour, and its still hanging, hitting enter / space did some disk i/o and read the CD image breifly but nothing changed
[08:41] <kindofabuzz> want broadcom wireless?  hook your box up to your router via ethernet, enable b43, let it do it's downloading, voila, wireless
[08:41] <kelvin911> anyone uses skype webcam here?
[08:41]  * bluefoxx forgot how versatile VLC has show itself to be
[08:41] <DracoZA> fragged, ok ive never had it that long :)
[08:42] <ghindo> Flannel:  Why are there so many in the first place?  What are they supposed to be used for?
[08:42] <icogens> kindofabuzz: I am hooked up to a router via ethernet, but how do I enable b43?
[08:42] <fragged> DracoZA, how familiar are you with Ubuntu? Does it attempt to download stuff while installing? (Native gentoo user here)
[08:42] <fde> icogens: can you restart your computer with NetworkManager enabled please... remove ndiswrapper, or throw 'blacklist ndiswrapper' into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist before doing so though.
[08:42] <kindofabuzz> icogens: system > admin > hardware drivers
[08:43] <fde> kindofabuzz: It's all setup fine, no need for that.
[08:43] <Flannel> ghindo: They're just different places for you to login to.  I'm not familiar with the historic reasons as to why the GUI is on 7 or whatnot, but say, you needed to log in as a numbre of users (or one user multiple times), you'd use the different ttys
[08:43] <fde> kindofabuzz: Something is conflicting though, so I want him to get to a point I'm familiar with.
[08:43] <kindofabuzz> oh i missed all that
[08:44] <icogens> fde: Okay, blacklisted and going to restart.
[08:44] <fde> icogens: please do what I said, and don't mind kindofabuzz ... he's kind of buzzed  :P
[08:44] <Y-Town> when I goto logout and select "shut down" my system goes to a black screen and hangs until I "ctrl-alt-delete"  any ideas or where can I maybe find an error report for this?
[08:44] <kindofabuzz> fde, have you tried what i said though? won't hurt
[08:44] <icogens> kindofabuzz: Only thing in my hardware drivers is my Nvidia card, so that's not an option for me at the moment =
[08:44] <fde> kindofabuzz: will do when he comes back from restart if it's necessary.
[08:44] <kindofabuzz> icogens: no do try what i said
[08:44] <icogens> fde: Back in just a minute.
[08:44] <fde> kindofabuzz: that's for proprietary stuff... this is an open source driver.
[08:45] <ghindo> Flannel:  Cool, thanks
[08:45] <kindofabuzz> fde: i'm sure he don't give a damn, as long as he has wireless
[08:45] <o88o> hp 1018 laserjet dosen't work on 8.04 why ??
[08:45] <fde> kindofabuzz: yeah... but I'm saying... it wouldn't get him any further.
[08:45] <kindofabuzz> and b43 is proprietary?
[08:45] <fde> kindofabuzz: no
[08:45] <kindofabuzz> it would if it worked!
[08:46] <kindofabuzz> start simple man
[08:46] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, on Maximised where? sorry, closed xchat since each time i switch windows it seems to refuse keyboard focus :P
[08:46] <fde> kindofabuzz: jockey-gtk isn't for this kind of stuff.
[08:46] <DracoZA> fragged, yes I think you can select additional packages during the installation but I dont think it does so without your input and network configuration
[08:46] <fde> kindofabuzz: Why would I take him through stuff I _know_ won't help?
[08:46] <bazhang> I admire your tenacity kindofabuzz
[08:47] <bazhang> but let the man do his work first :)
[08:47] <kindofabuzz> fde: how do you know it won't work?
[08:47] <kindofabuzz> it does work
[08:47] <U09526> earthquake...
[08:47] <bazhang> please ease up kindofabuzz
[08:47] <DracoZA> openarena!
[08:47] <o88o> every thing is ok but still processing without printing
[08:47] <icogens> fde: I have returned
[08:47] <kindofabuzz> eaze up? huh?
[08:47] <fde> kindofabuzz: eh... it added "and various wireless drivers" ... but it'd just install the firmware I already asked him whether is installed.
[08:48] <kindofabuzz> i'm just saying the easiest way to get broadcom wireless to work
[08:48] <dabbill> where do i extract the files for custom mouse pointers?
[08:48] <soundray> kindofabuzz: just hold back for now, will you?
[08:48] <fde> icogens: ok... is there "Enable Wireless" in the right click menu now?
[08:48] <icogens> fde: Negative
[08:48] <kindofabuzz> have you all gone crazy? hole up? eaze up? lol
[08:48] <soundray> kindofabuzz: no need to barge in at this point.
[08:48] <fde> icogens: then kindofabuzz will be showing you how to get it enabled....
[08:48] <kindofabuzz> soundray: why are you barging in on us then? you hold up bro
[08:49] <icogens> fde: Thanks for the help :)
[08:49] <soundray> kindofabuzz: see? You get your turn.
[08:49] <bazhang> kindofabuzz, yes we are crazy; but you get second shot if his fix does not work--promise :)
[08:49] <kindofabuzz> rm -Rf /
[08:49] <icogens> kindofabuzz: Okay! :p
[08:49] <soundray> !ops | kindofabuzz bad advice
[08:49] <kindofabuzz> lol
[08:49] <fde> jockey-gtk will just install b43-fwcutter ... which is already installed... so I don't think it'll help, but if it does, I apologize.
[08:50] <Amaranth> !command
[08:50] <soundray> Not the kind of joke that goes down well in a place that is usually full of beginners.
[08:50] <dabbill> where do i extract the files for custom mouse pointers?
[08:50] <icogens> Huh, well. At least I knew not to do that ;)
[08:50] <robert__> I just installed 8.04 on my new lenovo t61p, every seems to work but I can't get my wireless get to work
[08:50] <Amaranth> Don't run the command kindofabuzz said
[08:50] <Amaranth> It _will_ break your computer
[08:50] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: oh, are you sure you have a window manager running at all?
[08:51] <o88o> we need another channel for beginners
[08:51] <ghindo> o88o:  Why?
[08:51] <fde> icogens: Well, since he's gone... System > Administration > Hardware Drivers ... see if you can add the module there please
[08:51] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, lol, yeah, compiz is running, and I can see its settings
[08:51] <Y-Town> when I goto logout and select "shut down" my system goes to a black screen and hangs until I "ctrl-alt-delete"  any ideas or where can I maybe find an error report for this?
[08:51] <clusty> any good HTML editor in ubuntu?
[08:51] <AimLXJ> Hello I need help, apparantly my video card is not being detected.
[08:51] <soundray> !html | clusty
[08:51] <Gin> clusty: gedit
[08:52] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: you see fade effects when you click on menus?
[08:52] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, nope
[08:52] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: does windows key + E do anything?
[08:52] <fde> icogens: Actually, there's no "add", and you said it's not there... so I don't see how that would have helped... but then it's not working my way either, and I don't have a broadcom... just got wireless working 2 seconds ago though with WEP etc... using prism2_usb
[08:52] <FloodBot3> NOTICE - If you couldn't speak to the channel during the past minutes, please try again now.
[08:53] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, no, but that might be because i've remapped the windows key with xmodmap
[08:53] <icogens> fde: The only think in the menu is my NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver under Device driver
[08:53] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: you have titlebars on your windows?
[08:53] <Amaranth> bazhang: Your slip is showing
[08:53] <o88o>  1300 users ... too much ..
[08:53] <fde> icogens: yeah, so what kindofbuzz was yapping about was utterly useless
[08:53] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, yes. seriously, i'm running compiz. ps ax |grep compiz shows that
[08:53] <fde> icogens: Unfortunately I don't know how to proceed from here either  :(
[08:54] <clusty> soundray: thanks
[08:54] <prodigel> HI all . I'm using ubuntu 8.04 with gnome and I noticed that my .Trash folder is missing(probably I erased it). I was wondering where do my deleted files go if anywhere when not deleting them permanently.
[08:54] <clusty> Amaranth: hey, remember me :D?
[08:54] <AimLXJ> Can someone help me? My video card is not being detected
[08:54] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: lol just making sure; windows not getting keyboard focus almost always means there's no WM running :)
[08:54] <clusty> Amaranth: were you the one with a sony laptop?
[08:54] <icogens> fde: Yeah, that's what it seems like. I've tried the b43-fwcutter tutorials, but there seems to be a point where magic happens and wireless suddenly appears, but I'm magic..less.
[08:54] <fde> icogens: It SHOULD be working, you SHOULD at least have an entry in System > Administration > Network now... but you don't
[08:54] <ghindo> prodigel:  Your trash is in .local, I believe
[08:54] <Amaranth> clusty: Nope
[08:54] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: the setting I wanted you to check was Place Windows > Placement Mode
[08:54] <crdlb> or something close to that
[08:54] <Amaranth> clusty: I have an HP laptop, you must be thinking of someone else
[08:55] <prodigel> ghindo: no trash folder there either
[08:55] <DistroJockey> pvh_sa|wrk, does it do the same thing for a newly created user?
[08:55] <clusty> Amaranth: probably. some guy helped me out a lot with hibernation
[08:55] <AimLXJ> Can someone help me?
[08:55] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, actually its worse than that. from time to time when i switch desktops the windows are actually frozen in some way - then when i minimize and maximise again suddenly everything works (and i see all the chat on #ubuntu)
[08:55] <prodigel> AimLXJ: try setting it first with vesa or something generic
[08:55] <perlmonkey> mornin guys
[08:55] <ghindo> prodigel:  It should be under .local -> share -> Trash -> files
[08:55] <mnemo> good morning perlmonkey
[08:55] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, placement mode: smart ?
[08:55] <Amaranth> clusty: Oh, that was me then. My hack happened to work on your machine too
[08:55] <AimLXJ> prodigel: It's using vesa right now and it's stuck at 800 x 600 resolution
[08:56] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: ahh, are you using any unofficial plugins? that's usually caused by buggy plugins that don't damage windows enough
[08:56] <prodigel> ghindo: I see it now :D. Since when the change?
[08:56] <icogens> fde: Do I have to modprobe b43.. or something?
[08:56] <clusty> Amaranth: the thing with telling the ACPI that it aint linux?
[08:56] <prodigel> AimLXJ: using gnome or kde?
[08:56] <dabbill> How do i install custom mouse pointer themes?
[08:56] <AimLXJ> prodigel: kde
[08:56] <pvh_sa|wrk> DistroJockey, haven't checked. guess i could make a new user and see - when i upgraded to heron i had issues (which turned out to be esd related) so i removed all gnome settings
[08:56] <fde> icogens: It's already loaded! Remember I had you check that and you pasted even though I didn't ask that  :)
[08:56] <Gin> !mp3
[08:56]  * War2 is listening to [Seether] - [FMLYHM]
[08:57] <DistroJockey> pvh_sa|wrk, worth a look if you can
[08:57] <soundray> prodigel: see if you have a folder $HOME/.local/share/Trash
[08:57] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, just the normal plugins and the compiz-fusion-plugins
[08:57] <ghindo> prodigel:  I guess just since 8.04.  I'm not sure why, but that's how it is
[08:57] <perlmonkey> got a slight problem.. I'm trying to install Ubuntu (latest) from CDROM onto a Dell Optiplex SX270..I'm not sure if the cd or cd drive is crappo, but its slow as f**k... like 5 hrs and still not installed.. blank screen on puter and constant cd drive action... however, I was able to copy the cd contents onto the hdd in an existing Debian Linux (bootable) partition.. is there a way to install without CD? also, the machine
[08:57] <prodigel> AimLXJ: if using display setting apps can you see higher  resolutions?
[08:57] <Amaranth> clusty: Yeah. Although it does that by default now in the kernel hardy has
[08:57] <fde> icogens: The fact that it's being loaded tells me it at least thinks it's supported... but I don't know the magic words I guess... heh
[08:57] <soundray> oops, late
[08:57] <perlmonkey> mornin mnemo
[08:58] <fde> icogens: for kicks... what does 'ifup wlan0' say?
[08:58] <AimLXJ> prodigel: I'm not sure since I'm not using any display applications
[08:58] <Amaranth> clusty: They claim to be Windows, iirc. They are aiming for bug for bug compatibility with that code path since it is the only one the BIOS writers test
[08:58] <prodigel> soundray: thanks. got it solved.
[08:58] <crdlb> pvh_sa|wrk: hmm, it might be one of them then, but it's unlikely
[08:58] <AimLXJ> prodigel: All I did was enable hardware drivers.
[08:58] <icogens> fde: Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[08:58] <clusty> Amaranth: soo frustrating not getting hibernation running
[08:58] <DistroJockey> !install | perlmonkey Check out the first link >
[08:59] <Amaranth> clusty: hibernation is a huge hack right now :)
[08:59] <perlmonkey> i got nothing :-(
[08:59] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, thanks though - i'll try and pin down exactly when this happens
[08:59] <DistroJockey> hmm
[08:59] <DistroJockey> !install
[08:59] <perlmonkey> thanks
[08:59] <prodigel> AimLXJ: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. have you tried this/
[08:59] <clusty> Amaranth: well i think threy are going way to fast releasing new stuff
[08:59] <Amaranth> clusty: Please join #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[08:59] <AimLXJ> prodigel: Yes but no option about configuring the display came up, just mouse and keyboard.
[08:59] <fde> icogens: Alright, well I hate to say this, because I'd rather you use native drivers, but it looks like you're going to have to go with ndiswrapper again... blacklist b43 and remove ndiswrapper from that file.
[08:59] <clusty> Amaranth: :D
[09:00]  * clusty joins #ubuntu-whine
[09:00] <clusty> :D
[09:00] <fde> icogens: sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist if you forgot
[09:00] <pvh_sa|wrk> crdlb, i wonder if its something grabbing focus. like k3b - which has been acting odd for me
[09:00] <soundray> fde: gksudo
[09:00] <DistroJockey> perlmonkey, ahh, sill me put a greater than sign on the end. Doh!
[09:00] <Amaranth> clusty: I was serious. If you want to talk about this I'm more than happy to do so in there
[09:00] <amirman84> hi everyone, i want to maximize the eyecandy factor of gnome, i have the compizfusion and metacity windows managers (the defaults) on 8.04 what kinds of themes should i be looking for to get the maximum alpha blended sexiness going on?
[09:00] <icogens> fde: Gots it.
[09:01] <fde> soundray: irrelevant... it has issues with things like Firefox according to the justification I've seen... and who runs Firefox with sudo?
[09:01] <prodigel> AimLXJ: you could edit xorf.conf by hand
[09:01] <cwillu> can anybody suggest a diff utility that's functional for english text (as opposed to code)?  diff seems to be useless for changes within a paragraph :/
[09:01] <ghindo> amirman84:  Emerald and Emerald themes?
[09:01] <DracoZA> aargh crap ok help :) I have tried twice to install 8.04 from a new install, during the "select and install" phase I get the error "Installation step failed" and it exits, I have written a new cd from the image just in case there was something wrong with the CD
[09:01] <AimLXJ> prodigel: Okay but I don't know what to type down.
[09:02] <RudyValencia> hehe, "Intrepid Ibex"?
[09:02] <fde> cwillu: diff -a
[09:02] <soundray> fde: please, it's a much easier rule to stick to: graphical programs with gksudo, command-line with sudo. Just recommending -- I know it's your choice.
[09:02] <amirman84> ghindo: do emerald themes install normally through the theme manager?
[09:02] <prodigel> AimLXJ: are you acustomed with console?
[09:02] <RudyValencia> That's what they're calling v8.10?
[09:02] <RudyValencia> !intrepid
[09:02] <AimLXJ> prodigel: No
[09:02] <prodigel> AimLXJ: use your preferred editor to open /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:02] <ghindo> amirman84:  Nah, you use another program - can't remember which at the moment.  Check Synaptic
[09:03] <amirman84> ghindo: will those themes play nice within compiz-fusion and metacity?
[09:03] <leif_> is a bz2 a compresed format
[09:03] <cwillu> fde, that's just normal diff
[09:03] <amirman84> will emerald themes work with compiz-fusion and metacity?
[09:03] <apavlov> hey. Seemingly after a recent update, my FUSA has started showing only users who have logged in since the last boot (and probably logged out after their login). Any ideas folks?
[09:03] <cwillu> fde, I need something that can diff based on word boundaries, basically
[09:04] <fde> cwillu: -a is "treat everything as text"
[09:04] <AimLXJ> prodigel: Okay what do I type down?
[09:04] <cwillu> fde, yes, but the files are already text
[09:04] <cwillu> fde, diff doc1 doc2 == diff -a doc1 doc2
[09:04] <jun> hyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[09:04] <amirman84> everyone: do emeral themes work within compiz-fusion and metacity?
[09:04] <amirman84> emerald
[09:05] <soundray> cwillu: diff based on word boundaries -- can you elaborate?
[09:05] <amirman84> eye crie nowe
[09:05] <JPSman> what command do I run to tell what wireless card I  have?
[09:05] <cwillu> soundray, as opposed to line-based  (i.e., showing me in a sensible way where the changed word is)
[09:05] <fde> JPSman: is it USB or PCI?
[09:06] <ghindo> amirman84:  I think Emerald replaces Metacity, if I remember correctly
[09:06] <leif_> any one can help me run a .sh file
[09:06] <cwillu> soundray, I'm just about to write a filter to convert the docs to 80 char, but that's still going to give alot of garbage output
[09:06] <JPSman> fde: uh....internal?  its  a laptop
[09:06] <perlmonkey> thanks guys
[09:06] <perlmonkey> I think the best option is to make a new partition, download the alternate desktop iso image, and install like that
[09:07] <gnyffel> Is there any reason my Xubuntu install is not running PulseAudio even though it's listed in the 8.04 release notes? It's a fresh install, not dist-upgrade.
[09:07] <fde> JPSman: Lets see if that means PCI... lspci | grep -i wireless return anything?
[09:07] <JPSman> lemmme try
[09:07] <icogens> fde: Thanks for the help in anycase, I'll try to get ndiswrapper workin again, although it was having problems with randomly not connecting to anything.
[09:07] <perlmonkey> phew, been a while since i installed linux
[09:07] <soundray> bazhang: can I pm you?
[09:07] <DistroJockey> perlmonkey, yeah, probably the way to go. Assuming nothing in that second link helped :)
[09:07] <fde> icogens: It was likely conflicting with b43, which isn't working... so I had you blacklist it.
[09:07] <perlmonkey> :)
[09:07] <bazhang> soundray, sure
[09:08] <DistroJockey> !install | perlmonk
[09:08] <leif_> newb q how do i run a .sh file
[09:08] <GibbaTheHutt> ./file.sh
[09:08] <perlmonkey> cool
[09:08] <DistroJockey> perlmonkey, sorry, forgot to tab out your name ;)
[09:08] <JPSman> fde: nonothing
[09:08] <GibbaTheHutt> may need to change permissions with chmod
[09:08] <fde> JPSman: lets expand that then... type 'lspci' and look closely for something about your wireless card...
[09:08] <icogens> fde: Ah, was b43 standard with 8.04 installation? And would ssb also conflict?
[09:09] <JPSman> fde: k doing that
[09:09] <fde> JPSman: Probably broadcom or atheros
[09:09] <fde> icogens: ssb was a dependency of b43 ... so if you blacklist b43, it won't load ssb
[09:10] <fde> icogens: See, there was a good reason to paste it after all  :)
[09:10] <Agnostic> 342
[09:10] <pvh_sa|wrk> can i search my menu to find out where something is? for instance brasero - its installed, not seeing it in the menu, but i might be looking in the wrong place
[09:10] <icogens> fde: Excellent. I just found and grabbed the exe that contains my driver inf, how would I go about extracting it?
[09:10] <fde> icogens: you can try seeing what wine makes of it?
[09:11] <DistroJockey> pvh_sa|wrk, It's usually in Applications - Sound & Video
[09:11] <fde> icogens: wine whatever.exe ... you might have to install it though...
[09:11] <pvh_sa|wrk> DistroJockey, what an odd place to put it. but can i search my menu somehow?
[09:11] <icogens> fde: If anyone asks, don't tell them that it was a self extracting file and I didn't think to check that before asking *cough*
[09:11] <DistroJockey> reply yeah, is an odd place.  I'd think Accessories is a better place
[09:13] <pvh_sa|wrk> DistroJockey, yeah. or system tools or something. since i'm using this to write a DVD full of data :P
[09:13] <perlmonkey> FINALLY managed to get my webcam working under Linux..woohoo
[09:13] <DistroJockey> pvh_sa|wrk, fde : better yet Utilities :)
[09:13] <panesar_sandeep> can any1 tell me any gud sources to learn java.
[09:13] <ghostlines> what's the linux alternative to ms's domain controller?
[09:13] <fde> JPSman: I have no idea what module that would use, and google isn't being particularly enlightening  :(
[09:13] <leif_> maybe i should change my bios to run on onboard sound card
[09:14] <fde> DistroJockey: nah... cuz it generally contains Media related things... not random utilities.
[09:14] <pvh_sa|wrk> DistroJockey, indeed. but it would be nice to be able to search the menu
[09:14] <panesar_sandeep> can any1 tell me any gud sources to learn java?
[09:14] <laeg> i have tried to disable pulseaudio because it is bugged via the ubuntu instructions by choosing alsa for all options in system > prefs > sound but still when vlc is paused in the background i don't get sound in other apps - how can i fix this?
[09:14] <DistroJockey> fde, I mean for the placement of burning software
[09:14] <DracoZA> panesar_sandeep, google is a good resource
[09:14] <DistroJockey> fde, I never burn sound/video
[09:14] <fde> DistroJockey: Ubuntu tries to avoid "System Tools"... so maybe Accessories... idk
[09:14] <Flip2405> Hello i was trying to get into linux development and i was wondering what language the .c exetension
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> panesar_sandeep: http://www.javacoffeebreak.com/tutorials/gettingstarted/index.html
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> Flip2405: that C, you may need to install gcc
[09:15] <DistroJockey> fde, :) hence my suggestion of Accessories or a new menu called Utilities
[09:15] <panesar_sandeep> DracoZA, no i didn't meant about info, but sum buk or ebuk that may be helpful for learning java coding/programming.
[09:16] <Flip2405> ActuionParsnip No no i have that i know im not getting any errors just wondering what language the .c extension is wrote in
[09:16]  * DistroJockey has gone oftopic and apologises
[09:16]  * DistroJockey can't spell either
[09:16] <magnetron> DistroJockey: i'm in #ubuntu-offtopic , join us
[09:17] <soundray> cwillu: you could pipe through tr -s ' ' '\n' (well maybe not)
[09:17] <bahr> Isn't it possible to make comments in pdf files, with the default Document Viewer, if not, is there another reader I could use, or can I get some plugin for Document Viewer, to make comments? Thanks.
[09:18] <fips> hey um.. how do i become get a root terminal screen again?
[09:18] <Flip2405> fips su
[09:18] <fips> er... you know what i mean
[09:18] <fde> fips: you probably don't need one... what are you trying to do?
  Thnx :)
[09:18] <fips> i was just curious
[09:19] <Flip2405> Not recommended
[09:19] <Flip2405> How ever you can use sudo command
[09:19] <cwillu> fips, man sudo
[09:19] <cwillu> soundray, oooo!  docdiff!
[09:20] <cwillu> !info docdiff
[09:20] <ActionParsnip> fips: just use sudo for cli commands and gksudo for gui apps. never use sudo gedit <some text file>
[09:20] <DracoZA> ok so I have tried the text install and proper install for 8.04 and both wont work :(
[09:20] <perlmonkey> getting 250KB/s download on iso from my OWN ISP's server on 1.5MB cable, wtf? why do ISP's LIE about bandwidth
[09:21] <Flip2405> Hello i was trying to get into linux development and i was wondering what language the .c exetension
[09:21] <fde> fips: sudo -i will give you a root terminal ... or you can do things like echo "foo" | sudo tee -a some.file to avoid the interactive terminal.
[09:21] <cwillu> !info wdiff
[09:21] <cwillu> Thanks ubottu!
[09:21] <sjoerd> Flip2405: C
[09:21] <AimLXJ> Can someone help me?
[09:21] <pvh_sa|wrk> Flip2405, its C
[09:21] <HendriXXX> Hello! When I login to Hardy Heron, I receive an error that the permissions are wrong for the file .dmrc. and that the session cannot be saved because of this. I just check my permissions and those are just 644 and i am owner of that file. Any ideas?
[09:21] <fde> !ask AimLXJ
[09:21] <fde> !ask | AimLXJ
[09:22] <fips> why am i getting an authentication error?
[09:22] <fde> HendriXXX: It wants to be 600
[09:22] <AimLXJ> I have a problem, my video isn't being detected.
[09:22] <test_> ubuntu
[09:22] <Flip2405> Okay Thats what i thought was not forsure because i tryed to type some misc c commands and compile it and it would'nt compile maybe the c syntax different in linux then windows
[09:22] <Flip2405> ?
[09:23] <cancer> hey guys cld u please suggest me a good download manager for ubuntu... kget sucks
[09:23] <fde> cancer: you can try gwget
[09:23] <HendriXXX> fde: no, it says that it should be 644. i tried also with 600 permission and still same error
[09:23] <fips> dude its not accepting my password anymore
[09:23] <fde> HendriXXX: Mine is 600 and there is no error... idk why yours wouldn't like it.
[09:24] <fde> fips: was there an error?
[09:24] <cancer> fde:  is tat gui?
[09:24] <fde> cancer: yes... it is a gtk based front end for wget
[09:24] <fips> authentication erorr
[09:24] <fips> er.. failure
[09:24] <Flannel> HendriXXX: it should be 644, not 600
[09:24] <fde> fips: full error please.
[09:25] <fips> su: Authentication failure Sorry.
[09:25] <Flannel> fips: sudo, not su.
[09:25] <HendriXXX> fde: if I put 777 or 755 then it just works, but I think that's not a good idea.
[09:25] <AimLXJ> Can someone help me? My video card isn't being detected
[09:25] <fips> i want a root terminal
[09:25] <Flannel> HendriXXX: no, it shouldnt work.  It'll give you an error
[09:25] <fips> and its not accepting my password anymore
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> AimLXJ: what graphics card do you have?
[09:25] <Flannel> fips: sudo -i
[09:25] <icogens> fde: Well, I'm now connected through my wireless, but I found something weird while looking through my modprobe -l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11624/
[09:25] <AimLXJ> ActionParsnip: Nvidia 7300GS
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> !nvidia | AimLXJ
[09:26] <perlmonkey> nice strong cup of tea to kickstart the day
[09:26] <HendriXXX> hmm
[09:26] <perlmonkey> AimLXJ: do lspci and see what you got
[09:26] <fde> icogens: Did you restart after blacklisting? Doesn't matter though if it's working now...
[09:26] <fips> omg thank you
[09:26] <soundray> HendriXXX: you could mv or rm the file and have it recreated
[09:26] <fde> fips: you were told that about 10 times... hah
[09:27] <perlmonkey> AimLXJ: make sure its Linux supported in kernel, do a search if it is not you may need drivers
[09:27] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1)
[09:27] <fips> i know but i kept doing su -i
[09:27] <fips> im high
[09:27] <perlmonkey> should be supported in kernel
[09:27] <fips> how do i chang the name of my computer
[09:27] <HendriXXX> soundray: can i keep my setting if i remove that file?
[09:27] <icogens> fde: Yes, I did restart just now. Also, my rc.local has an rmmod ndiswrapper, and rmmod ssb, then a modprobe ndiswrapper, which seems a bit silly.
[09:27] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: It is, this problem started happening after upgrading to version 8.10
[09:27] <Flannel> !hostname | fips
[09:27] <perlmonkey> fips: edit /etc/hostname
[09:28] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: I mean 8.04
[09:28] <soundray> HendriXXX: it'll be recreated for you. You will of course lose whatever is in it now.
[09:28] <perlmonkey> AimLXJ: oh
[09:28] <fde> fips: System > Accessories > Network ... in the "General" tab...
[09:28] <fde> fips: I don't recommend trying to change it manually, you can break sudo if you do it wrong.
[09:28] <livingdaylight> Hallo maedels...
[09:28] <perlmonkey> AimLXJ: maybe just need to reconfigure xorg?
[09:29] <livingdaylight> why is md5sum not clearly listed on download page?
[09:29] <fde> fips: hit 'unlock' else you won't be able to do anything though...
[09:29] <HendriXXX> soundray: ok, I will try that
[09:29] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: I tried that but there was no option about configuring those came uo, jsut keyboard and mouse
[09:29] <fips> unlock?
[09:29] <perlmonkey> hmm
[09:29] <fde> fips: You'll see...
[09:29] <livingdaylight> 8895167a794c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f  ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[09:29] <livingdaylight> is that correct?
[09:29] <livingdaylight> can someone confirm : 8895167a794c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f  ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[09:29] <fips> -bash: unlock: command not found
[09:29]  * delcoyote hi
[09:30] <fde> !md5 | livingdaylight
[09:30] <perlmonkey> AimLXJ: it may be reading existing config, perhaps you could try mv existing config file in /etc/X11 to .bak and run reconfig again
[09:30] <redspike> Hi all, Anyone get Solaris 10 U5 to work with KVM ?
[09:30] <livingdaylight> fde: thanks fella
[09:30] <cancer> fde:  im getting an error like this when i tried to configure gwget "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:30] <cancer> "
[09:30] <redspike> the isntall goes fine bur when its going to boot up its rebooting after grub, i have tryd to send kernel/unix to grub but its makes no diffrent.
[09:30] <fde> cancer: sudo aptitude install gwget
[09:30] <GibbaTheHutt> cancer, try apt-get install build-essential
[09:31] <fde> GibbaTheHutt: he doesn't need to compile anything.
[09:31] <icogens> fde: In any case, thanks for the help.
[09:31] <perlmonkey> AimLXJ: also, suggestion..you could try manually editing your X config file, and you will probably find the backup version of config in that folder /etc/X11, that maybe quicker
[09:31] <GibbaTheHutt> he's getting a compile error tho
[09:31] <GibbaTheHutt> which is odd
[09:31] <livingdaylight> fde: you misunderstand me... i know how to check it... but i don't have the correct md5sum to compare it to. That seems elusive and i wonder why it is not clearly marked on the download page... or i'm just getting older
[09:31] <Flannel> GibbaTheHutt: Thats normal
[09:31] <fde> GibbaTheHutt: For something that is already packaged...
[09:31] <GibbaTheHutt> ah i see, he's compiling rather than apt
[09:31] <fde> livingdaylight: it is on the cd.
[09:31] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: There's no backup and how do I rename a file with root access?
[09:32] <fde> AimLXJ: sudo mv foo bar
[09:32] <perlmonkey> ya
[09:32] <perlmonkey> should always be a backup of old X11 config file if you upgraded, thats odd
[09:32] <administrator> hello
[09:32] <fde> AimLXJ: in terminals, you move to the new name, rather than rename
[09:32] <livingdaylight> fde: i don't follow?
[09:32] <barlrol> what codec pack do i need to get for vlc media player to be able to play .mkv files
[09:32] <administrator> are you ok ?
[09:33] <fips> now i cant even open a terminal
[09:33] <fde> livingdaylight: the md5 sum is on the CD... you check it against that.
[09:33] <fips> since i renamed the hostname
[09:33] <livingdaylight> i have downloaded an iso and this is the md5sum i get: 8895167a794c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f  ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[09:33] <fips> do i have to reboot?
[09:33] <livingdaylight> fde: what makes you think i have a cd?
[09:33] <administrator> so
[09:33] <fde> fips: You changed it in System > Administration > Network?
[09:33] <fips> yes
[09:33] <fde> livingdaylight: ok... at this point it's in the iso  ;)
[09:33] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: mv: missing destination file operand after `/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[09:33] <livingdaylight> can someone confirm i gotz the right sum?
[09:34] <fips> now it wont even let me open that
[09:34] <livingdaylight> fde: dude??
[09:34] <fde> fips: and what is sudo telling you?
[09:34] <adam7> livingdaylight: it looks right to me from memory, cdimage.ubuntu.com should have the list of md5s
[09:34] <perlmonkey> AimLXJ: did you type the backup name?
[09:34] <pvh_sa|wrk> does anyone know a password manager that a) will allow me to access the passwords remotely (e.g. has a text-mode option for when i ssh in) and b) will let me print out a list of passwords ?
[09:34] <fips> i cant get to sudo because i cant open a terminal
[09:34] <fde> livingdaylight: Please check the guide ubottu told you.
[09:34] <perlmonkey> mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[09:34] <soundray> livingdaylight: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/MD5SUMS
[09:34] <fde> !md5 | livingdaylight
[09:34] <Dvyjones> My bcm4306 (14e4:4320) wireless card doesn't work... I can see all networks in NetworkManager, but when I try to connect to them, the icon spins for about 30 seconds, before the icon switch to the orange-triangle "No network connection" icon
[09:34] <livingdaylight> adam7: thank you... but how is a noob  supposed to know where to search for that? should be clearly on the download page imo
[09:35] <cwillu> Dvyjones, upgrade from gutsy, or fresh install?
[09:35] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: Okay it's a .bak, now what?
[09:35] <leif> is it dangerus to use the test packs
[09:35] <Dvyjones> cwillu: Fresh install
[09:35] <adam7> livingdaylight: its also in the link ubottu gave you
[09:35] <soundray> livingdaylight: it is. Have a look at the download page again.
[09:35] <fde> livingdaylight: no one here is going to check through that string and ensure it's perfect for you.
[09:35] <perlmonkey> now run dpkg-reconfigure on X
[09:35] <cwillu> Dvyjones, from synaptic (on a wired link), install b43-fwcutter, follow the prompts, and then reboot and try it again
[09:35] <livingdaylight> adam7: no, it aint.
[09:35] <adam7> !md5 | livingdaylight
[09:35] <laeg> cwillu: do you remember i installed nvidia-settings?
[09:35] <JPSman> ok, I am trying to load up a WUBI and I only get to a initramfs - what do I do?
[09:35] <leif> ok so i can use the test packesed
[09:36] <fips> fde: why cant i open a terminal or the network gui
[09:36] <Dvyjones> cwillu: I tried that, but it didn't work, besides, I can't do a wired link, since I don't have access to the router :(
[09:36] <fde> fips: I dunno, you didn't tell me what the error is yet.
[09:36] <livingdaylight> soundray: i'm staring at the download page
[09:36] <AimLXJ> perlmonkey: Samething happens :\
[09:36] <adam7> livingdaylight: sorry, you're right -- but it should be wherever you got the iso from
[09:36] <perlmonkey> :(
[09:36] <fde> perlmonkey: what's wrong?
[09:36] <fips> fde: it says starting then just closes
[09:36] <firestorm> Hi. Where does update-manager place all of its downloaded .deb files?