[00:04] <robru> ToyKeeper: define "need" though. like is this something that a customer is urgently demanding? or can it wait for tomorrow?
[00:05] <ToyKeeper> robru: I'm not sure exactly; I got only a brief summary:
 ops-team: The landing gates are closing tonight, silo 000 needs sign off, the rest will wait.
 ops-team: if there is no priority fix tomorrow, we'll have a candidate for ww07 tomorrow morning.
[00:06] <robru> ToyKeeper: well that's more than anybody told me ;-)
[00:06] <ToyKeeper> I missed a lot yesterday because I had an extended power outage...  otherwise I'd probably be better-informed.
[00:07] <robru> ToyKeeper: I can override the publish in spite of the lack of reviews if it is really that urgent, but I'm reluctant to do so because it's three different MPs, none of which have any reviews on them at all. surely lots of people reviewed these changes but nobody bothered to mention it on the MPs.
[00:07] <ToyKeeper> robru: Worst case, we can probably trigger a build a few hours later than planned...  I mean, if the change is important enough to need that.
[00:07] <ToyKeeper> After the people who know the context get back online.
[00:08] <robru> ToyKeeper: yeah that's also true. Ok I'm not going to publish it unless I hear otherwise from management.
[00:08] <cjwatson> Maybe it's worth SMSing the people in question if it's urgent?
[00:09] <robru> cjwatson: couldn't hurt I suppose. you volunteering? ;-)
[00:09] <cjwatson> Nope, I'm about to go to bed :)
[00:09] <robru> cjwatson: sweeet dreams!
[00:09] <cjwatson> Just a suggestion
[00:09] <robru> ToyKeeper: ok I'll SMS pmcgowan
[00:11] <ToyKeeper> robru: I was tempted to block it anyway, due to changes with no tests.  Not sure if right now is the best time to go back to strict QA-nazi mode though.
[00:11] <robru> ToyKeeper: wow, this landing has a lot going for it ;-)
[00:14] <robru> ToyKeeper: ok, sms sent, will let you know if I hear anything
[01:14] <boiko> cjwatson: thanks
[02:05] <imgbot> [02:14] <kgunn> trainguards yo could i get a reconfig on vivid silo 0 ?
[02:14] <robru> kgunn: one sec
[03:05] <imgbot> [04:20] <imgbot> [04:20] <imgbot> [08:53] <Mirv> dbarth: mardy: hey, have you noticed your MP:s are not approved? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-rtm-landing-000-2-publish/28/console
[08:54] <mardy> Mirv: I'll let dbarth approve them, I don't like self-approving :-)
[09:12] <vila> hi there, any pending CI issues around ?
[10:12] <Mirv> mardy: still no dbarth anywhere I guess?
[10:13] <mardy> Mirv: he should be here, but I guess I'll just approve the MPs myself, to save some time
[10:14] <mardy> Mirv: done
[10:14] <Mirv> mardy: ok! top-approve then please. it's really a non-issue other than we can't decide for teams how their processes are.
[10:15] <Mirv> mardy: thanks, seeing those!
[10:22] <jgdx> sil2100, is rtm landing 7 rejected for this milestone?
[10:24] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, I am building a new device tarball
[10:24] <sil2100> jgdx: I remember you sorted out all the doubts from QA, right?
[10:25] <sil2100> jgdx: did you get it signed-off by QA in the end?
[10:25] <jgdx> sil2100, not all. Omar is worried, but I still think he's only seeing that one (really bad) bug.
[10:25] <jgdx> sil2100, no, we're waiting on a fix for that ^ bug
[10:25] <jgdx> sil2100, let's say we do get it fixed by eod, can we still get it landed?
[10:26] <sil2100> jgdx: it'll have to go into the next milestone sadly, since we'll be starting promotion testing around afternoon already - but no worries, this milestone is not a super important one
[10:26] <sil2100> The next will be much bigger
[10:26] <jgdx> sil2100, okay, thanks.
[10:29] <dbarth> Mirv: sorry, now approving
[10:29] <dbarth> mardy approved
[10:29] <Mirv> dbarth: mardy already did, and I published. no worries!
[10:30] <dbarth> hangouts overflow :/
[10:32] <sil2100> \o/
[11:20] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150211-74c2df2.tar.xz
[11:20] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150211-74c2df2.changes
[11:20] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-testresults-20150211-74c2df2.ods
[11:21] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ^ new device tarball for rtm/milestone. will do landing spreadsheet next
[11:21] <sil2100> Excellent :)
[11:21] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: please update the existing device tarball landing
[11:21] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ok, will do
[11:22] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, updates
[11:23] <john-mcaleely> updates
[11:23] <john-mcaleely> updated, even
[11:34] <sil2100> \o/
[11:57]  * sil2100 away for lunch
[12:58] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: is anyone on the device tarball right now?
[12:59] <davmor2> sil2100: I am after Lunch
[12:59] <jibel> sil2100, davmor2 is not only on the tarball, but also testing it
[12:59] <jibel> after lunch :)
[12:59] <sil2100> ;D
[13:13] <pmcgowan> robru, seems you went ahead with silo 0
[13:13] <pmcgowan> which is good
[13:14] <sil2100> We needed a top-approval though, but that happened in the morning
[13:14] <pmcgowan> sil2100, ok
[13:14] <pmcgowan> I am off to the office
[13:14] <sil2100> pmcgowan: we signed-off silo 5 and now all that is left is silo 3 and the device tarball
[13:14] <sil2100> Then we can get the promotion candidate spinned
[13:15] <jibel> pmcgowan, I think there is too much risk to land silo 4 for ww07. Do you think it could be moved to ww09 and we test it first thing after the release of ww07?
[13:15] <pmcgowan> looking
[13:15] <jibel> pmcgowan, it's the update from oxide 1.3 to 1.4
[13:16] <pmcgowan> jibel, do you know what it fixes? seems like zooming and a couple others
[13:17] <sil2100> Saviq: ouch ;) You put the merges in the test plan and vice-versa ;D
[13:17] <Saviq> sil2100, oops
[13:18] <pmcgowan> jibel, I dont think oSoMoN  is online today? he hoped to land it yesterday
[13:18] <jibel> pmcgowan, I don't know the details the diff is 500MB. The rationale is essentially http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2476-1/.
[13:19] <jibel> pmcgowan, we discussed this morning. He agreed to put it aside if there is a risk for the schedule of this release
[13:19] <pmcgowan> jibel, ok, then up to you, I am ok either way
[13:19] <pmcgowan> if not enough time then defer
[13:20] <jibel> pmcgowan, OK, thanks. Lets move it to next milestone then.
[13:20] <pmcgowan> ok
[13:22] <sil2100> We decided on the meeting to skip that to the next milestone as well
[13:50] <Mirv> I guess saviq would be ok to receive that silo now
[13:50] <Saviq> Mirv, yes please
[13:51] <sil2100> Saviq, Mirv: I assigned it
[13:51] <sil2100> hmmm
[13:51] <sil2100> Why didn't it assign it?
[13:51] <Mirv> that is the question :)
[13:51] <sil2100> WTH
[13:51] <Mirv> Saviq: 004
[13:51] <sil2100> The prepare job even ran
[13:52] <sil2100> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/4068/console <- duh
[13:52] <Mirv> sil2100: I only see a reconfigure attempt on non-assigned silo
[13:52] <sil2100> Ok, spreadsheet had issues...
[13:52] <Mirv> sil2100: meaning the id got given already. as usual when there is no silo but id field is filled, I clear the id field first.
[13:53] <sil2100> Mirv: it was empty, but maybe it was just something strange happening
[14:12] <sil2100> davmor2: once you test the device tarball, be sure to switch it to 'Granted' in the spreadsheet :)
[14:12] <davmor2> sil2100: no shan't :P
[14:13] <sil2100> Come ooon, don't be like thaat
[14:13] <sil2100> boiko, bfiller: hey! We noticed some autopilot test problems on krillin ubuntu-rtm with dialer-app, camera-app and gallery-app
[14:14] <sil2100> boiko, bfiller: e.g. http://rtm-dashboard.ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch_stable/krillin/233:20150211:20150209-094615f/313/
[14:14] <bfiller> sil2100: we'll have a look
[14:16] <sil2100> Thanks!
[14:17] <sil2100> I need to jump out for a moment, brb
[15:02] <sil2100> davmor2: how far are you with testing?
[15:03] <davmor2> sil2100: well I'm testing it after all the hang ups getting it installed
[15:04] <sil2100> Hang-ups? You mean, because of the new tarball?
[15:05] <davmor2> sil2100: yeap and the fact that I need to add a ppa because the utopics ubuntu-device-flash isn't up-to-date and finding out if the recovery image for the one was the same as the vivid one and ........
[15:42] <sil2100> rvr: how's the address-book-app testing going?
[15:43] <rvr> sil2100: Looks good so far, verifying a related bug that I found (but not a regression).
[15:47] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, davmor2 device tarball news?
[15:48] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: davmor2 is still testing it, seems like there were some problems setting it up initially ;)
[15:48] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ack
[15:48] <davmor2> getting there
[15:49] <rvr> bfiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/address-book-app/+bug/1420851
[15:49] <sil2100> Once rvr and davmor2 finish and both get uploaded, we'll kick a new image
[15:49] <sil2100> hm, maybe we could disable the importer for the device tarball upload
[15:49] <sil2100> Since we'll build a new image anyway
[15:50] <bfiller> rvr: sounds like a feature to me :)
[15:50] <bfiller> unless it breaks something
[15:51] <rvr> bfiller: haha
[15:51] <bfiller> seriously
[15:53] <rvr> Let's hope it doesn't interpret JavaScript
[15:55] <kenvandine> cihelp, we've been having some flaky CI test runs for ubuntu-system-settings, some of which look like it's just failing to start the app https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/982/testReport/junit/ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_security/SecurityTestCase/test_locking_control_value/
[15:56] <kenvandine> some other apps have been seeing it too, bfiller can you list the known ones?
[15:56] <rvr> bfiller: sil2100: Address book silo approved
[15:57] <plars> kenvandine: when did that start?
[15:57] <bfiller> cihelp 4 out of 7 failures on camera-app are because it couldn't be started http://rtm-dashboard.ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch_stable/krillin/233:20150211:20150209-094615f/313/
[15:57] <kenvandine> sometime last week i think
[15:57] <kenvandine> plars, for settings we've been seeing it from vivid branches
[15:57] <kenvandine> not sure about rtm
[16:00] <plars> bfiller: that's on smoke results on krillin, which is very different from what kenvandine is pointing at
[16:01] <sil2100> rvr: o/
[16:01] <kenvandine> seems like a similar problem though
[16:04] <sil2100> bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/address-book-service/fix-1390110-rtm/+merge/245598 <- needs approval :)
[16:04] <bfiller> sil2100: done
[16:05] <plars> bfiller: well at least one failure I see there is because of a missing test dependency it looks like - "ImportError: No module named 'wand'"
[16:05] <bfiller> plars: yes, we know about that one. and there are 2 flaky tests as well. but 4 that fail because the app fails to start
[16:05] <plars> which is probably yet another problem.. kenvandine: looking at the vivid mako smoke tests though, I'm not sure that I see this happening there
[16:06] <plars> bfiller: is it always the same 4? do you know if it's reproducible locally?
[16:06] <bfiller> plars: it's those 4 that seem infra related possibly
[16:06] <bfiller> plars: it's not reproducible locally no, not those 4
[16:06] <bfiller> plars: don't nkow if it's alwyas the same 4
[16:07] <plars> so test_low_disk seems to be one of them, and no it doesn't appear to fail every time
[16:07] <plars> if autopilot is failing to start the app though, I'm not sure what we can do about that in CI
[16:07] <plars> I'll talk to QA and see if they have any recommendations
[16:08] <kenvandine> plars, from the log i pasted, do you agree that it looks like it's failing to start?
[16:08] <kenvandine> for settings it's not always the same tests
[16:08] <kenvandine> i'm pretty sure it's not, jgdx can you confirm?
[16:08] <plars> kenvandine: that would appear to be the case, yes
[16:09] <kenvandine> this was stable for a while
[16:11] <jgdx> kenvandine, seems random to me, but the sim unlock test in security failed twice in a row, with similar symptoms
[16:26] <plars> kenvandine: bfiller: from talking to elopio it looks like there's a 10 second timeout waiting for ubuntu-app-launch to either succeed or fail in launching the app. Any chance the app just sometimes takes that long?
[16:27] <kenvandine> plars, it really shouldn't
[16:27] <plars> kenvandine: bfiller: he said the screenshot shows that the app is open though, so somehow there's either a race where it's timing out first, or it fails to see that it's open
[16:29] <bfiller> plars: shouldn't take take 10seconds to open
[16:31] <elopio> is there a way to look at the ubuntu-app-launch log?
[16:33] <plars> elopio: where can we find that log?
[16:34] <elopio> plars: that's my same question, just better phrased :)
[16:35] <plars> elopio: it's entirely possible that we're not capturing it at the moment. But if it's just another log, that could be added perhaps
[16:38] <elopio> tedg: ^
[16:38] <elopio> is there a ual log?
[16:38] <elopio> we are seeing the camera to timeout when being launched with UbuntuAppLaunch.start_application_test
[16:47] <elopio> plars: kenvandine: bfiller: this one http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/982/testReport/junit/ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_about/StorageTestCase/test_space_used_by_pictures/
[16:48] <elopio> seems to be cause by this crash: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/982/artifact/clientlogs/ubuntu_system_settings/_usr_bin_system-settings.32011.crash
[16:48] <elopio> Saviq: could we put timestamps into the unity8.log ?
[16:50] <Saviq> elopio, bug #1154207
[16:51] <elopio> Saviq: thanks.
[16:54] <davmor2> sil2100: if you would care to check the spreadsheet around line 70
[16:55] <john-mcaleely> ooh
[16:55] <john-mcaleely> I've never done it this way before
[16:55] <sil2100> o/
[16:55] <sil2100> davmor2: yay
[16:56] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, so, do I push now?
[16:56] <sil2100> ogra_: maybe we could switch-off the importer for rtm, publish the tarball and then re-enable it when kicking the image?
[16:56] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: please wait one moment, maybe we can do it more cleanly with the importer off
[16:56] <john-mcaleely> aha. waits
[16:56] <sil2100> It's not a big deal, but still
[16:56] <john-mcaleely> no rush :-)
[16:57] <ogra_> sure
[16:57] <ogra_> sil2100, you know you can do that too now, right ?
[16:57] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks ;) I don't know the foo of that yet
[16:57] <popey> sil2100: is there a meeting today?
[16:57] <ogra_> as cdimage user: crontab -e
[16:57] <sil2100> popey: yes :)
[16:58] <davmor2> sil2100: double check that silo003 got int first please
[16:58] <davmor2> sil2100: and 5 for that matter :)
[16:58] <ogra_> comment the last line
[16:58] <sil2100> davmor2: sure
[16:58] <sil2100> ogra_: oooh
[16:58] <sil2100> It's that easy?
[16:58] <ogra_> and let #ubuntu-release know about it
[16:58] <ogra_> yeah
[16:58] <ogra_> done
[17:00] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks!
[17:00] <ogra_> rsalveti, next vivd build started (FYI)
[17:00] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: you can push the tarballz!
[17:00] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ack
[17:00] <rsalveti> ogra_: great
[17:01] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, pushed
[17:01] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, do I need to update the spreadsheet now?
[17:15] <imgbot> [17:15] <sil2100> jibel: crap, I remembered what I wanted to poke about - we have ToyKeeper around today?
[17:16] <jibel> sil2100, yes
[17:18] <ogra_> rsalveti, passed the passwd change (and failed on /etc/group as expected) ... i need to add more logic so we get all data on the first run https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197323808/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_armhf_ubuntu-touch_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:21] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, that would make it way easier
[17:21] <ogra_> the 99 script has that logic, i'll just push that over
[17:28] <ogra_> ok, uploaded
[17:28] <ogra_> lets see how that goes ... then i'll port all of it to snappy
[17:52] <dobey> fginther: hey. is it possible to have the jenkins click autopilot job run the tests by some means other than on a actual device/emulator?
[17:52] <dobey> fginther: or we'd need a new/different job for those cases?
[17:55] <jibel> sil2100, davmor2 will start the sanity test if the image is built on time, and ToyKeeper will continue the verification of the image
[17:55] <sil2100> jibel: image still building
[17:56] <jibel> sil2100, yeah, it should be built in one hour or so
[17:56] <sil2100> ogra_: will you be around in the nearest 30 minutes? I need to drive to pick up my girlfriend from the train station, if by any chance you notice that the build is ready could you re-enable the importer to get the tarballs in place?
[17:56] <sil2100> In case it finishes when I'm not around :)
[17:57] <ogra_> sil2100, will do
[17:57]  * sil2100 doesn't want to make QA waiting
[17:57] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks!
[17:57]  * davmor2 sits here waiting on sil2100
[18:02] <fginther> dobey, it's technically possible, but CI doesn't have any infrastructure in place for any other method  :-( . We may already have story to address this in our backlog, but it's not something we have prioritized right now
[18:04] <dobey> fginther: ok. lp:pay-ui is a bit of an oddity, so it's not possible to run the tests on top of Mir at the moment. but i'll see if we can't get something worked out so that we can run them on top of both mir or xorg
[18:53] <ogra_> sil2100, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch looks like it will still be a while til it even starts ... (some admin should bump the build scroe)
[18:56] <ogra_> cjwatson, any chance you could bump that up a little (the system-image importer is off, waiting for that build)
[18:58] <cjwatson> It's probably a lie, but sure
[18:58] <ogra_> just to make sure sil2100 doesnt wait the whole night :)
[18:58] <cjwatson> rescored
[18:59] <ogra_> thanks :)
[18:59] <cjwatson> Latency'll be a bit higher than usual in general while the test rebuild runs, but usually not too bad on armhf
[18:59] <ogra_> ah, that is whats going on ...
[18:59] <ogra_> i was wondering why the publisher is so slow
[19:00] <cjwatson> The publisher shouldn't be any slower than usual; test rebuilds don't affect it
[19:00] <cjwatson> But if you mean the last hour or two, we had some services down while we applied a Launchpad database patch
[19:00] <ogra_> (took 1h for my last livecd-rootfs to show up in proposed)
[19:00] <ogra_> ah, k
[19:00] <ogra_> i'm good at bad timing as usual :)
[19:01] <cjwatson> It's an exciting patch, hopefully you'll see the results in a few weeks :)
[19:03] <ogra_> cool
[19:07] <sil2100> Thanks guys :)
[19:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, another vivid build running, cross your fingers
[19:38] <ogra_> (might choke on gshadow though)
[19:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: :-)
[19:42]  * sil2100 still waits for his rtm image to finish ;p
[19:43] <ogra_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197343522/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_i386_ubuntu-touch_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:43] <ogra_> as expected :)
[19:43] <ogra_> hmm,, that doesnt look like it used 2.283 at all
[19:44] <ogra_> or it did and i just cant read my own error messages :P
[19:44]  * ogra_ fixes gshadow hash
[19:45]  * davmor2 prods sil2100 repeatedly with the question are we nearly there yet
[19:45] <ogra_> hmm
[19:46] <ogra_> i wonder *why* gshadow actually changed ... there is no GIDs in it
[19:46] <davmor2> ogra_: because it hates us all
[19:46] <sil2100> davmor2: it says it will be done soon
[19:54] <robru> lunch!
[19:55] <jhodapp> rsalveti, due to vivid instability, we need to get a silo with the new media-hub stuff...that's probably best done just by adding a new spreadsheet line right?
[19:56] <jhodapp> rsalveti, for rtm
[19:56] <rsalveti> jhodapp: yeah
[19:56] <rsalveti> normal procedure, but for RTM
[19:56] <jhodapp> rsalveti, cool, thanks
[20:01] <jhodapp> sil2100, can I get a silo for line 77 please?
[20:03] <sil2100> jhodapp: sure :)
[20:03] <jhodapp> sil2100, thanks!
[20:05] <sil2100> jhodapp: hm, it seems it's already assigned to a vivid silo
[20:05] <jhodapp> sil2100, yeah, did you see the comment?
[20:05] <jhodapp> sil2100, we can't properly test in vivid atm, so we need to build and test against rtm
[20:05] <sil2100> jhodapp: yeah, but it means we'll have to free the silo and re-assign to rtm
[20:05] <sil2100> Let me do that
[20:05] <jhodapp> sil2100, that's fine
[20:09] <sil2100> ogra_: ok, it seems the built has finished, can I enable the importer now? :)
[20:09] <ogra_> do you see it on cdimage ?
[20:09] <ogra_> (or in the cdimage www dir on nusakan)
[20:09] <sil2100> ogra_: in the www I see a new image, so I guess
[20:10] <ogra_> you most likkely can, but i usually check that first
[20:10] <sil2100> 20150211.1/
[20:10] <ogra_> sounds fine
[20:10] <sil2100> \o/
[20:11] <ogra_> and the next upload of livecd-rootfs ...
[20:11] <sil2100> Ok, uncommented the last line, let me give a sign on -release
[20:11] <ogra_> this time it shoudl actually build :)
[20:11] <sil2100> Phew ;)
[20:30] <davmor2> sil2100: that's it I'm going now, handing over sanity to ToyKeeper
[20:30]  * ToyKeeper shall be the keeper of the sanity
[20:35] <imgbot> [20:35] <imgbot> [20:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: should we trigger a new imagE?
[20:47] <rsalveti> oh, still in proposed
[20:48] <ToyKeeper> Ah, there it is.
[20:53] <sil2100> o/
[20:53] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: give us a sign how the sanity testing goes :)
[20:53] <ToyKeeper> It's still flashing, but sanity usually goes quickly.  ;P
[20:59] <ToyKeeper> Sweet, recent updates broke adb again.
[21:00] <ToyKeeper> I hope this doesn't delay testing very much.
[21:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, final vivid build running now, this one should get through
[21:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: awesome
[22:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: wtf, failed again
[22:29] <rsalveti> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197354342/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_i386_ubuntu-touch_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:29] <rsalveti> E: Unable to locate package libmirplatform5driver-android
[22:29] <rsalveti> oh crap, new mir
[22:29] <rsalveti> argh
[22:29] <rsalveti> will fix that after I get back from dinner
[22:29] <rsalveti> need to get back the other thread I started last time we had such issue
[22:57] <ogra_> rsalveti, thanks


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[02:04] <ScottK> sommer: amavisd-new doesn't use dkim-filter.
[02:05] <ScottK> sommer: It uses libmail-dkim-perl and it's in recommends so it'll get installed automagically.
[02:05] <sommer> ScottK: it just uses regular domain keys?
[02:05] <ScottK> No, uses the perl lib, not the milter.
[02:05] <sommer> ScottK: right right... I'll adjust that
[02:06] <ScottK> No need to tell them to install anything.  It's just there and working.
[02:06] <sommer> sure, does the rest make sense?
[02:06] <sommer> I wasn't entirely sure what to add
[02:07] <ScottK> Subtle point is it's based on the signing domain, not the From in the message.  Usually those will match, but it's not inevitable.
[02:07] <ScottK> If you look at any message from me sent in the last year or so, it'll be signed.  When you look at the signature, there's a d=kitterman.com.  That's what it keys off of.
[02:08] <ScottK> I'd make it clear that whitelist in this context means do not do any spam or virus filtering.
[02:08] <sommer> good point
[02:10] <nxvl> ScottK: did you had chance to take a look at courier?
[02:11] <ScottK> nxvl: Not yet.
[02:11] <nxvl> ok
[02:11] <nxvl> :D
[02:11] <ScottK> Up to my eyeballs in $WORK right now.
[02:11] <nxvl> ScottK: what did you work in?
[02:12] <ScottK> I'm a consultant and work on a lot of different things.
[02:13] <ScottK> Currently we have no babysitter for our 5 year old for three weeks, so I'm mostly watching her and running teenagers around during the day while my wife's at work and then I try to catch up in the evenings.
[02:15] <nxvl> ScottK: that sounds hard
[02:15] <ScottK> Yeah, it's only for a few weeks.
[02:15] <nxvl> ScottK: how many kids did you have?
[02:16] <nxvl> ScottK: just the 5 year old girl?
[02:16] <ScottK> No.  Also 14 and 16 year old girls too.
[02:18] <nxvl> ScottK: hard age for being a father
[02:18] <ScottK> Fortunately I do believe that violence can solve problems and the boys know that, so they keep an appropriate distance.
[02:19]  * nxvl loves ScottK
[02:19] <nxvl> ScottK: that's the key
[02:19] <nxvl> if get daughters i will have the same policy
[02:41] <sommer> kirkland: is the raid boot stuff ready for real hardware testing?
[02:41]  * sommer thinking about starting the documentation of that area
[03:06] <dthacker> I've noticed ScottK needs MIR's written for ClamAV.   Is there a guide to writing them?
[03:06] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:06]  * ScottK digs up some links
[03:07] <ScottK> dthacker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[03:07] <ScottK> dthacker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain lists what we are in need of.
[03:08] <dthacker> thanks.  I'll do some reading tonight.
[03:28] <ScottK> dthacker: Thanks. Feel free to ask questions.  It's mostly just grinding through stuff.
[03:30] <ryoohki> anyone know why rbash( the restricted bash) was removed from the bash .deb package?  I can still hard link /bin/bash to /bin/rbash but a apt-get update will alter that
[03:47] <kirkland> sommer: the stuff i blogged about this week, yes
[03:48] <kirkland> sommer: i'm working on another patch for grub
[03:51] <sommer> kirkland: cool, just wanted to make sure the BootDegradedRaid page is still the latest instructions
[03:57] <kirkland> sommer: yup yup ;-)
[05:21] <sommer> kirkland: I've added your ppa to my sources.list, but when I do an apt-get upgrade it's not pulling anything
[05:21] <sommer> kirkland: are the new packages in the main repos?
[05:22] <kirkland> sommer: oh, jeez, sorry
[05:23] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, it's in main now
[05:23] <kirkland> lemme update that part of the wiki page
[05:23] <sommer> cool
[05:25] <nxvl> kirkland: can you please apply a patch for me and see if it works?
[05:25] <kirkland> sommer: sorry for missing that earlier
[05:25] <kirkland> sommer: i'm editing now
[05:25] <nxvl> kirkland: ScottK has been unsucseful appling it
[05:25] <sommer> kirkland: that's cool, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything :)
[05:25] <kirkland> sommer: sorry, my fault
[05:25] <nxvl> kirkland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/254681
[05:26] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 254681 in courier "please merge courier 0.60.0-1 from debian sid" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:26] <nxvl> (and reopen the bug report if it worked)
[05:31] <kirkland> nxvl: nope, it doesn't apply for me either
[05:31] <kirkland> sommer: wiki updated
[05:32] <nxvl> kirkland: can you paste the whole process (ls on the dir, command and output) please
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: mkdir courier
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: cd courier
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: apt-get source courier
[05:33] <nxvl> ok
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16527829/courier_0.60.0-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[05:33] <nxvl> that's the problem
[05:33] <kirkland> k
[05:34] <nxvl> kirkland: can you please dget the debian version -> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/courier/courier_0.60.0-1.dsc
[05:36] <nxvl> and apply the patch against it
[05:36] <sommer> kirkland: so I set one of the drives to faulty using "sudo mdadm --manage --set-faulty /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1", and it booted fine... is that expected?
[05:36] <sommer> kirkland: or should I physically unplug one of the drives?
[05:36] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, that's expected
[05:36] <kirkland> sommer: "set-faulty" is different
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: that tells mdadm to "expect" a drive as faulty
[05:37] <sommer> kirkland: oooohhhh, heh that makes sense
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: this is really about what happens when an unexpected failure occurs
[05:37] <sommer> kirkland: okay, I'll get physical on this thing ;-)
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: if you're dealing with physical hardware, unpluging the cable is the best alternative, sorry
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: i did my physical testing with USB thumb drives :-)
[05:38] <sommer> heh, that's cool... I really haven't used software raid much, so this is good experience
[05:40] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, it's a good thing to know
[05:41] <sommer> heeh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQXECBdPgEA
[05:41] <kirkland> yikes
[05:41] <sommer> ya, it's getting late :)
[06:58] <sommer> kirkland: party!
[06:58] <sommer> kirkland: everything worked as advertised... very cool
[06:58]  * sommer goes to sleepy time
[08:23] <kraut> moin
[09:39] <Armilliary> I'm trying to get examples for a preseed file, and `sudo debconf-get-selections --installer` gives me the following error: "could not open /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat". I realise that there was a security issue with the root password being readable in that file, but is there a way to recover any of the other answers?
[09:59] <Drazha> how much RAM is required for a small scale LAMP and SAMBA to work on ubuntu-server?
[10:04] <hads> Define small scale?
[10:04] <Drazha> well basically a development system, I am developing an application in PHP, and I only need the small server on a VM to develop it on
[10:05] <Drazha> so like, 1 user accessing it really
[10:05] <hads> 64MB would work, 128MB would be nicer, 512MB would be plenty
[10:05] <thefish> Drazha: ive done stuff in 64M, ymmv
[10:06] <Drazha> kewl, so 128 I setup is just fine
[10:06] <thefish> 128 is plenty
[10:06] <Drazha> ok next stupid one, is there a shell utility to setup the network interface and samba?
[10:06] <thefish> i run ocs-ng (an automatic inventory system) in 128 - +-100 clients
[10:07] <thefish> Drazha: yep, is called vi :D
[10:07] <hads> +m :)
[10:08] <_ruben> grmbl .. why is setting up dual wan configs always so tedious :p
[10:08] <thefish> Drazha: what kind of setup do you want?
[10:09] <Drazha> thefish: just to reconfigure the ip address (to avoid the vi route) and to setup a samba share?
[10:09] <thefish> Drazha: thats pretty simple
[10:09] <hads> nano or other similar editors may be easier to get to grips with
[10:09] <thefish> for the ip address, youll want to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:09] <soren> _ruben: what's the difficulty?
[10:10] <_ruben> soren: finding a decent solution to get routing properly
[10:10] <thefish> mmm, if you want to use nano, its best to `ln -s /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/editor-for-wimps` first :)
[10:10] <_ruben> soren: i've managed to get it working before, just forgot how ;)
[10:10] <thefish> _ruben: doing fancy routing? ip route no doing its job?
[10:10] <hads> heh, meany.
[10:10] <Drazha> hads I know how to use vi, i am just being lazy
[10:11] <hads> Oh, well then just stop doing that :)
[10:11] <thefish> Drazha: you probably have "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your interfaces file?
[10:11] <Drazha> yeah well... i was hoping for a curses ui or smth
[10:11] <Drazha> thefish: havent checked yet, probably
[10:12] <thefish> Drazha: you can gtksu {some-gui-editor} /etc/network/interfaces
[10:12] <thefish> not sure of the gnome gui text editor
[10:12]  * _ruben grabs his hard-copy of LARTC again...
[10:12] <Drazha> actually i am a rhel/centos user, decided to try out ubuntu-server, see how painful for my routine its gonna be
[10:12] <thefish> :)
[10:12] <thefish> nothing to be ashamed of
[10:13] <Drazha> not ashamed, just too damn sleepy and bored enough to punish myself with this mini project
[10:13] <thefish> Drazha: iirc interfaces file is the same in rhel/centos
[10:13] <thefish> so you should be fine
[10:14] <thefish> to jog your memory... http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[10:14] <Drazha> thefish thanks
[10:14] <soren> _ruben: Define "routing properly" :)
[10:16] <thefish> Drazha: for samba, just copy one of the examples - all you really need is [sharename] and path = /path/to/share, the rest is optional
[10:16] <_ruben> soren: have both inbound and outbound traffic flowing, no loadbalancing, but being able to send specific traffic over a specific link
[10:16] <Drazha> thefish: yeap, thanks...
[10:17] <soren> _ruben: ip route add src <blah>
[10:25] <exot> hello, how can I specify multiple IP address for exported directory for /etc/exprts
[10:34] <soren> exot: man exports
[10:34] <exot> soren, it doesn't show
[10:34] <soren> Sure it does.
[10:34] <soren>        # sample /etc/exports file
[10:34] <soren>        /               master(rw) trusty(rw,no_root_squash)
[10:35] <thefish> _ruben: you need metric for that no?
[10:35] <_ruben> thefish: nah, thats only needed for loadbalancing afaik .. just needa mess with multiple routing tables a bit, and then find a decent way to automate things
[10:36] <_ruben> sucky part is that one of the uplinks is dhcp and the other static ip
[10:36] <soren> exot: That line will export / read-write to master and trusty, and trusty additionally does not get his root squashed.
[10:38] <thefish> _ruben: metric is for costing a route innit? how would you use a metric for load balancing?
[10:38] <_ruben> thefish: if you want uneven loadbalancing
[10:39] <thefish> ?
[10:40] <thefish> not trying to be an ass, want to learn - ive never used it for that purpose :)
[10:41] <exot> soren,  got it .. thank you :)
[10:43] <_ruben> thefish: say you have 2 mbit line and an 8mbit line ... you'd give one line a metric of 1 and the other 4 .. so 'unevenly balance'
[10:43] <thefish> cool
[10:44] <thefish> so the metric is something that the balancer takes into consideration when deciding which to balance to?
[10:44] <thefish> fair enough
[10:45] <thefish> what are you using for the load balancing?
[10:46] <_ruben> im not doing any loadbalancing in this case .. we do have loadbalancers for our bigger websites tho (based on linux virtual server project)
[10:47] <thefish> cool
[10:48] <thefish> ive just done it with ripv2
[10:48] <thefish> and it "just knows"
[10:48] <thefish> think rip just calulates the hops though
[10:48] <thefish> so ye, metric would be useful to tweak it
[10:49] <thefish> _ruben: the vsp does network load balancing?
[10:50] <thefish> just checking out "balance" looks cool
[10:51] <Armilliary> I'm trying to get examples for a preseed file, and `sudo debconf-get-selections --installer` gives me the following error: "could not open /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat". I realise that there was a security issue with the root password being readable in that file, but is there a way to recover any of the other answers?
[12:52] <billio> Hi, I've been running Ubuntu-desktop for a while now and have decided to replace the OS on my server with Ubuntu.
[12:53] <billio> I've installed 8.04.1 from CD and got it booting up and started adding a few extras.
[12:54] <billio> I normally run my server with the screen unplugged and access with ssh. This all works OK so far.
[12:54] <billio> I want to be abole to use emacs on the server over ssh, but when I try to install it, apt-get insists that
[12:55] <billio> I need all the X11 packages. How can I get around this?
[13:08] <steven3> hello!
[13:09] <steven3> i have a quesiton that pertains to how much a server can handle, is that ok to ask in here?
[13:11] <ScottK> Yes
[13:13] <steven3> im going to have two scripts which access a mysql db, and thousands of people will be accessing it per hour, constantly for the entire month. is there a way to estimate how much bandwidth this will cost?
[13:13] <steven3> :)
[13:13] <Deeps> perform the queries for a set smaller sample over a set small time frame, and multiply up
[13:15] <steven3> ah i see. thanks! then, i have an alternative question: is there a way i can split the chores up between multiple servers, as to avoid going over my bandwidth limit? for example, will it lower the bandwidth if i put the db onto a different server than the scripts?
[13:16] <ScottK> There are ways, but that won't do it as the query to and the reply from the db server would actually use more bandwidth.
[13:19] <lukehasnoname> billio: Try installing emacs22-nox
[13:38] <gegema> May I ask for a good link for instruction on how to set up samba on a headless server? [Running Ubuntu 8.04.1]
[13:42] <sommer> gegema: you could try: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html
[13:42] <gegema> sommer - Thanks!
[13:42] <sommer> gegema: if you notice any problems, or if anything is unclear please let me know :)
[13:46] <power> hi
[13:46] <power> i wonder where the libapache2-mod-security go ?
[14:02] <thefish> power: i think it was removed from debian cos of licensing issues
[14:03] <thefish> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/web/libapache2-mod-ifier seems similar but never tried it, otherwise its a manual install
[14:04] <power> thanks,ill check it
[14:05] <power> too bad,that mod-sec is removed
[14:09] <chmac> Anyone know how to split a file into <2M chunks of *complete lines*?
[14:09] <chmac> `split -b2M` cuts lines in half at exactly 2M
[14:14] <billio> lookhasnoname: that's a last resort - I have been using the X version of emacs from my server
[14:14] <billio> under Mandrake with only the basic X11 library. I hate all these dependencies based on
[14:15] <billio> someones ideas of what is required as opposed to what is really needed.
[14:16] <billio> Looks like I'll have to build it from source....
[14:19] <lukehasnoname> hold on
[14:20] <lukehasnoname> anyone: isn't there a --no-recommends switch in apt-get that only d/ls required dependencies
[15:27] <gegema> sommer: Ok am ready to ask a question (althought simple) about Samba
[15:28] <gegema> sommer: I got it set-up to a point where I can access the Samba share from the windows machines..now how do I access network drives on the windows network from the ubuntu box? (for example if the drive is accessed by going to \\server1 in windows, how do I get to that directory from within Ubuntu?)
[15:29] <sommer> gegema: good question... that's not really covered in the guide just yest
[15:30] <sommer> gegema: there's multiple ways, the smbclient utility acts something like an ftp client, but I find the simplest way is to mount a windows share to a folder in my home directory
[15:31] <sommer> gegema: for that use sudo mount -t cifs //server/share mount_dir
[15:32] <thefish> fusesmb can also be pretty useful - specially if you want to "browse"
[15:32] <sommer> gegema: you may need the smbfs package as well (if you don't already have it)
[15:32] <kirkland> sommer: great, thanks for testing!
[15:33] <sommer> kirkland: np
[15:33] <gegema> sommer: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //server << getting this error
[15:34] <thefish> ^ thats probably name resolution - maybe try replacing "server" with "ip address"
[15:34] <uvirtbot`> thefish: Error: "thats" is not a valid command.
[15:34] <thefish> or fwdn
[15:34] <thefish> fqdn even :)
[15:35] <sommer> gegema: ya you may want to be sure you can ping the host by name, and try by IP to be sure
[15:35] <sommer> gegema: also are you trying to mount the share or browse the server?
[15:36] <gegema> hmm.. ok... didn't have smbfs at first... so I insattled it and tried the mount again.. got a different error this time (mount error 13 = Permission denied
[15:36] <gegema> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[15:36] <sommer> because to use a mount you'll need to use the entire share path
[15:37] <sommer> gegema: ah, try sudo mount -t cifs -o username=youruser,password=yourpass //server/share mount_point
[15:37] <gegema> sommer: I want to mount a share (a network drive within the windows network - MS SBS btw) so I can use it as a backup drive.
[15:37] <sommer> gegema: I believe you can leave the password bit off and it will prompt you
[15:38] <gegema> sommer: sorry for being dumb... on the username and password > are we refering to my username and pass on the Ubuntu box or my username and pass on the windows domain?
[15:38] <sommer> gegema: the windows username and password, but if your ubuntu username matches your windows username, it may just prompt you for your windows password
[15:40] <gegema> sommer: Perfect, mounted succesfully!
[15:40] <gegema> am assuming adding this mount point in my fstab with the -o argument would work?
[15:40] <sommer> gegema: party!
[15:41] <sommer> gegema: yep, it works in fstab... you may want to do a quick google to confirm the exact syntax though
[15:42] <gegema> sommer: Ok, Thanks a bunch for your help :)
[15:42] <sommer> gegema: np
[15:51] <gegema> sommer: back to bug you again... I want the windows user to have rw rights on the Ubuntu share (windows and Ubuntu accounts use different usernames and passwords) Is the answer setting "security=user" in smb.conf? or do the username and pass on each machine have to be identical?
[15:54] <sommer> gegema: all you should have to do is to set the permissions on the directory appropriate for the nobody user... if you followed the serverguide when setting up a share
[15:56] <sommer> gegema: that is if you don't what the windows user to have to enter a password
[15:57] <gegema> sommer: But am sharing the entire home directory of the linux machine... not sure if its wise to chown the home directory with nobody.nogroup
[15:58] <sommer> gegema: ya in that case you'll probably want to add the windows user to the system... basically create a linux user usering adduser then do smbpasswd -a username
[15:58] <sommer> gegema: windows user to the linux system that is
[15:59] <sommer> gegema: then you can give the necessary permissions to just that user
[16:01] <gegema> sommer: in my case, windows user account are being managed by Active Directory... saw an empty shell on the server guide for active directory integration...was wanting to see if I could get around having to add each individual windows user as a user on the linux machine as well
[16:02] <sommer> gegema: ah, then you'll want to check out the likewise-open section... it walks you through adding the linux machine to the AD domain
[16:02] <gegema> cool beans... thanks
[16:02] <sommer> welcome
[16:16] <lukehasnoname> "They don't have a dual model with community and enterprise bits. I don't see how anybody's going feel real comfortable, without the certifications and support and enterprise nature of those bits, feeling comfortable running those in a mission-critical environment. " -Jim Whitehurst, Red Hat CEO
[16:16] <lukehasnoname> on Ubuntu
[16:18] <soren> Uh, err... I can't even make sense of that.
[16:18] <soren> And if I could, I probably wouldn't agree :)
[16:19] <sommer> bits usually give me comfort :)
[16:19] <soren> How is it more comforting that the stuff you're deploying hasn't been tested by the community at large?
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> he uses the term "bits" in the interview to refer to software
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10002150-92.html
[16:20] <sommer> why would a certificate bring comfort?  it all comes down to your relationship with the vender in the end
[16:21] <lukehasnoname> Search "ubuntu" on that page to see the paragraph I'm referencing
[16:22] <edmoore> ok definitive answer. about to do software raid1 on hardy. 2 x 250gb discs. 4gb ram. so. 8BG swap, 242gb / on each. Or.... can i be more clever?
[16:23] <edmoore> I am totally new and see lots of confusing answers
[16:24] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: how much physical ram do you have? 4GB?
[16:24] <edmoore> yep
[16:24] <edmoore> so i read swap should be ~2x ram
[16:24] <soren> Bah.
[16:25] <soren> That was back in ancient times when virtual memory managers were brain dead.
[16:25] <lukehasnoname> From my limited knowledge, and reading of "Ubuntu Server Administration", make a 100 MB /boot part, swap that is 1-2x RAM, and from there it's variable
[16:26] <edmoore> 2 3 partitions on each one
[16:26] <lukehasnoname> depending, it's recommended to have dedicated /var, /home parts
[16:26] <edmoore> what defines the size of the boot partition?
[16:26] <soren> I'm not saying that you might not need the 8GB. It depends on what you're using the server for, but the "swap should be twice the size of your ram" paradigm has expired.
[16:26] <edmoore> so then that's 4 partitions - /boot, /var, /home, swap
[16:26] <lukehasnoname> 100MB static. It's the dir where the boot files are located, the kernel, AFAIK
[16:26] <soren> edmoore: Do yourself a favour and use LVM.
[16:27] <lukehasnoname> but don't put /boot on the LVM
[16:27] <lukehasnoname> I don't think you can
[16:27] <soren> Right.
[16:27] <soren> /boot seperately and then everything else on lvm.
[16:28] <edmoore> I don't think I'm going to be pushing things particularly
[16:28] <lukehasnoname> 100 MB boot (ext2), rest to LVM with 4GB swap, 15 GB? to / (root), and the rest to some mix of /var, /home depending
[16:29] <lukehasnoname> LVM, among other things, allows easier adding and resizing of volumes
[16:30] <edmoore> LVM asside for one sec (I'll come back to it), I want 100mb for /boot, 8gb for swap, and the rest is all my 'stuff'
[16:30] <edmoore> so I have about 240gb for 'stuff' - you're advocating 3 partitions, a /root, /var/, and /home
[16:31] <edmoore> ?
[16:31] <edmoore> sorry if I am coming across as a trogolodyte - I am totally new to all this
[16:31] <lukehasnoname> what is this server going to do
[16:32] <lukehasnoname> file, print, web, database, etc
[16:32] <edmoore> numerical sim, bit of web, all my degree work
[16:32] <edmoore> hence the desire for raid 1 (for the degree work)
[16:33] <edmoore> it probably won't be under heavy hard-disk usage
[16:33] <edmoore> though the numerical sim stuff can lock up a cpu core and a bunch of ram for days at a time
[16:34] <edmoore> so simplicity over cleverness is probably more my criteria - I'm not looking to sqeeze every bit of juice out of a heavily loaded webserver, if you see what i mean.
[16:35] <lukehasnoname> if you use a load of RAM you might want a big swap. Also, if you don't plan on running a large or critical web site or DB, I'd suggest 30GB /(root), and the rest to /home. In other words, 100MB /boot, then LVM (4-8GB swap, 30 GB root, rest to /home)
[16:37] <edmoore> cool - out of interest, why split up root and home?
[16:38] <edmoore> and once i have done the partitioning in the partition manager during installation, how do i tell it which bits to use for what? I know about setting which to boot from and which to swap from, but then telling it which for /home and which for /root
[16:39] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: Many reasons to split directories into different partitions when possible. Big reason for splitting off /home and /var from the root system is so you can reinstall the OS without formatting the /home and /var parts where your personal settings/files and your website are
[16:40] <edmoore> ah that of course makes sense
[16:40] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: When you define a volume in the LVM and go back to the partition manager, it will ask you where you want to "mount" the volume.
[16:40] <edmoore> so I have to use LVM?
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> no
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> but it's handy
[16:46] <edmoore> ok. when I come to do this in anger in about 1h, I might come on irc if i need help in real time, if that's ok :)
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> http://www.freeos.com/articles/3921/
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> I didn't read it, I just googled. Anyway, it might help
[16:47] <lukehasnoname> answer your question about LVM
[16:47] <lukehasnoname> not so much the technical instructions, but the "Whys" and whatnot.
[16:47] <edmoore> yes, why is always more useful
[16:48] <edmoore> It's why I built a server in the first place - I want to get the why behind linux. then the how should follow quite trivially
[16:48] <edmoore> he says.
[16:54] <edmoore> so lukehasnoname, when I come to do this for real in a bit, I should make 2 physical partitions per disc - 100mb for /boot and "the rest"
[16:54] <lukehasnoname> I've been using Linux on my desktop for the past 5 months (100%) and for the past 2 years on and off. Also, I've been hanging on the IRC and the wiki all summer, and read a few books and a lot of magazines.
[16:54] <edmoore> then make the /root, /home and swap using kvm?
[16:54] <edmoore> lvm*
[16:54] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: I don't know how to set up raid
[16:54] <edmoore> ok, well the ubuntu wiki article is useful
[16:54] <lukehasnoname> ask someone else about RAID, but but without RAID, you're right
[16:55] <edmoore> though the one on lvm on raid says I need the alternate install cd
[16:55] <edmoore> ok, well if anyone reading this wants to help me out, that'd be grand
[16:58] <lukehasnoname> the alternate install is for desktops. If you're using the server install then that's the same thing
[16:58] <lukehasnoname> er
[16:58] <lukehasnoname> the installation instructions are the same, IIRC
[17:08] <habriel__> i need set up a vpn with ubuntu server
[17:11] <habriel__> i am looking someone guide
[17:11] <habriel__> i have installed ubuntu server 8.04
[17:19] <habriel__> hi
[17:19] <habriel__> anyone there
[17:20] <soulc> yeah but they are 3733t3
[17:20] <habriel__> hi soulc
[17:20] <soulc> do you haveanother machine?
[17:20] <habriel__> do you know about ubuntu server
[17:21] <soulc> I am running it
[17:22] <soulc> https://help.ubuntu.com/ I got all the help I needed here
[17:22] <habriel__> ok
[17:22] <soulc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers
[17:24] <habriel__> where are you from my friend
[17:26] <soulc> maine us
[17:29] <thefish> habriel__: what kind of vpn do you want? what will it be for? how many users?
[17:30] <habriel__> i need to have 10 users
[17:34] <habriel__> and the clients will be xp
[17:42] <habriel> hi
[17:43] <habriel> thefis
[17:43] <habriel> are you there
[17:48] <thefish> habriel sorry just leaving
[17:48] <thefish> i would recommend looking at either openvpn
[17:48] <thefish> or nomachine
[17:48] <thefish> nomachine is not a traditional vpn, but it is very efficient
[17:49] <thefish> openvpn is free, nomachine is commercial oss
[17:51] <thefish> have a google for those, nomachine is trivial to install, just make sure you know what it does, openvpn is a bit more tricky but its more of a "traditional" vpn
[17:52] <soulc> can anyone direct me to a resource for hardy spam controll?  I upgraded to hardy and now none of the spam is detected.... it is all marked good
[17:56] <soulc> logfile output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/35130
[17:57] <thefish> soulc: you probably lost your bayesian dbs, if you have a lot of spam, you can use this to train sa again
[17:57] <thefish> soulc: i would recommend adding DCC and maybe razor/pyzor
[17:57] <soulc> the previous was after the upgrade here is before the upgrade http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/35132/
[17:58] <soulc> razor is on already
[17:58] <soulc> what is DSS
[17:58] <soulc> er
[17:58] <soulc> DCC
[17:58] <thefish> dcc yep
[17:58] <thefish> :)
[17:58] <thefish> distributed checksum clearinghouse
[17:58] <thefish> similar concept to razor
[17:58] <soulc> yeah it was just bam here is all this spam again
[17:59] <thefish> heh
[17:59] <thefish> i need to leave, good luck :)
[17:59] <soulc> thanks
[18:00] <habriel_> but i won't have any problem with the client xp
[18:01] <ScottK> soulc: Is spamassassin still enabled?
[18:01] <habriel_> for example if i use openvpn
[18:01] <soulc> yeah
[18:01] <soulc> still enabled
[18:03] <soulc> if you look at both pastes you'll see that the number of messages is pretty much the same just now it is all good instead of the mostly crap that is really is
[18:04]  * ScottK will be back later.
[18:14] <edmoore> so, anyone around able to help me out with the installation of software raid1 and lvm?
[18:14] <edmoore> I'm sitting here ready with the screen on [!!] Partition disks
[18:17] <lukehasnoname> I think Ubuntu should have a voip server
[18:17] <lukehasnoname> like, a mumble server hosted by Ubuntu.com or similar
[18:18] <lukehasnoname> that would require a fat amount of bandwidth
[18:18] <lukehasnoname> anyway, edmoore, is raid already configured?
[18:19] <edmoore> no
[18:19] <edmoore> doing that now
[18:20] <edmoore> so, as i can always go back, I guess, shall i partition each disc into raid 1 with 200mb and 'the rest' and then try and see if I can do lvm afterwards on 'the rest'?
[18:21] <lukehasnoname> hm I really don't know the order of events when configuring RAID, that's why I asked if it was out of the way :/ you'll have to wait for someone else to ask
[18:21] <soulc> yeah so the damn spamassassin local.cf file had been overwirtten
[18:32] <edmoore> soren, are you about?
[18:45] <edmoore> lukehasnoname: I think you can go into lvm having set up partitions on raid1
[18:47] <lukehasnoname> Hold on I'm working on... my work, bbiab
[18:47] <edmoore> ok
[18:51] <edmoore> does anyone here know why, when trying to change the partition settings for a partition, I don't seem to be able to change any of them? It just displays a list - eg: 'Use as: Ext3 journalling file system' which I want to change as use as physical volume for Raid. but how do you change these settings?
[18:52] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #255776 in freeradius (universe) "freeradius lacks eap-tls eap-ttls eap-peap on hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255776
[19:51] <edmoore> how do I make ubuntu server autoload from a reboot, i.e. not need me to login?
[19:52] <edmoore> i only want to have to login to do admin, if it reboots it should just load up and carry on webserving
[19:59] <bogey-> iptables-1.4.0-40.1
[20:00] <bogey-> I am having a senior moment. I do not have the firewall installed, I do not have anything setup for hosts.allow and hosts.deny. Yet my box is refusing all connections except from the local subnet. What should I check to see if it is blocking other subnets?
[20:06] <dthacker> bogey-: can you ping the other subnets?
[20:17] <bogey-> dthacker: i iz dumb, lulz
[20:17] <bogey-> dthacker: the GATEWAY device is not the same as the others. I need to setup a RIP broadcast for our legacy servers
[20:17] <bogey-> soz m8
[20:37] <soren> edmoore: I am now.
[20:38] <edmoore> soren: too late, she cried
[20:38] <edmoore> am all installed
[20:38] <edmoore> adding repos now, infact
[20:59] <emgent> \sh:  hey! :)
[21:51] <habriel> hi
[22:36] <habriel> hello all what's better for a network where the client will be win xp , vpn, openvpn, i only whant to have the next services ftp,mail, vnc
[23:10] <edmoore> help - have just rebooted my server (for the first time since automatic reboot after installation) and it is hanging on (initramfs)
[23:22] <m11> hello
[23:25] <m11> i am haveing same problem as this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=679877
[23:25] <m11> using proftpd and joomla
[23:26] <m11> joomla 1.5 wont work if i dont enable ftp layer and it dont want accept correct user/pass and path that i set in gproftpd. anyone got clue how to fix that ?


[00:41] <erb> !help increase video size in mythstream
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[00:42] <Guest28554> is there a way to increase the size of the video window in mythstream?
[00:51] <RobertLaptop> Can anyone help with lircd[5211]: segfault at 0 ip b7f47773 sp bfb3b280 error 4 in libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4[b7f43000+6000]
[00:51] <RobertLaptop> Nothing is showing up on googles
[00:53] <morphinex> howdy, is this the right place for questios about mythbuntu?
[00:53] <Shadow___X> yes after reading the manual
[00:55] <morphinex> Well, I've googled around for my problem and haven't found anything. Basically, what is happening is when I specify a directory for a recording group, myth appends a / to the end.
[00:56] <morphinex> I want my recordings to be in /video, but it gets changed to /video/ and doesn't work bc the thing tries to write them to /video//filename
[00:57] <Shadow___X> do you want it to goto \video\ though
[00:57] <Shadow___X> nvm
[00:57] <Shadow___X> does mythtv have rw permission
[00:58] <morphinex> yup
[00:59] <morphinex> I'll double check
[01:07] <morphinex> whoa
[01:08] <morphinex> Was that a split?
[01:22] <pteague> should there be a mythfrontend.real running on my backend?
[01:24] <RobertLaptop> pteague maybe.  If you install frontend+backup then mythfrontend starts automaticly
[01:26] <pteague> k, didn't think the power outage caused the box to reboot due to the UPS, but it could have... just wanted to make sure it was ok to kill it... been getting some weird jerky stuff in the playback
[02:20] <MythbuntuGuest39> Hey, I need some help with sound if someone's around perchance?
[02:21] <pteague> might be able to help
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'm not getting any sound from DVDs...either popping one in the drive, or after ripping them.
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest39> Media files (like divx shows) play with sound without issue
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest39> the *video* plays just fine for the dvd or the dvd rip, I just get no sound
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest39> I can open the dvd or rip in vlc and I get sound
[02:22] <pteague> that's weird... i was going to say sounds like you might be missing an audio codec
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest39> That's what I was thinking too, but then the files open in vlc without issue
[02:23] <MythbuntuGuest39> which player does mythbuntu use by default for dvd?  It just says "internal"...is it using some special player, or is it using xine or something?
[02:23] <pteague> i think vlc has several things built into it...  have you tried looking up the media packages?
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest39> what do you mean?
[02:24] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest39, it's built into mythvideo, it uses mythtv itself to play
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest39> gotcha
[02:36] <phunyguy> anyone using the lirc config utility on the commandir website?
[02:39] <bobbob1016> My music visualizations are being animated slowly, anyone know what setting I need to change to fix that?
[02:41] <bobbob1016> I have an AMD X3 2.1ghz, so not a slow machine
[02:46] <Shadow____X> considering its an amd procssor
[02:46] <Shadow____X> it still is
[02:46] <Shadow____X> sorry bobbob1016 i had to
[02:50] <bobbob1016> Shadow____X, No, you didn't.  2.1ghz is fast enough to decode 720p, and some 1080p, so that isn't slow.  Might not be an intel quad, but this beats the hell out of the c2d 1.6 I replaced it with.
[02:50] <Zinn> bobbob1016: Please watch your language.
[02:51] <Shadow____X> c2d 1.6 is on the lower end
[02:52] <bobbob1016> Yeah, but still, for the $ this was the best, I'm using it with coreavc, so the extra core was worth it.  I needed HDMI out, and the only mobo's in that range with HDMI out were AMD
[02:52] <Shadow____X> yeah i know the feeling i have a amd cs 2350 45 watt
[02:52] <Shadow____X> yeah its slower but less head and less power
[02:53] <Shadow____X> and its still dual core
[02:53] <bobbob1016> No idea with the visuals though?
[02:53] <bobbob1016> X3 is 3 cores
[02:53] <Shadow____X> mine is a dual core
[02:53] <Shadow____X> what visuals are you talking about
[02:53] <Shadow____X> like live tv
[02:53] <Shadow____X> and all that
[02:53] <bobbob1016> music
[02:54] <bobbob1016> the mythmusic visuals
[02:54] <Shadow____X> and can you watch videos and tv fine
[02:54] <bobbob1016> Well, I don't have TV on it, but watching a video now
[02:54] <phunyguy> enable restricted drivers?
[02:54] <bobbob1016> Yeah
[02:55] <phunyguy> ALSO, what graphics card?
[02:55] <Shadow____X> what vid card
[02:55] <bobbob1016> nvidia
[02:55] <phunyguy> :-/
[02:55] <bobbob1016> 8200
[02:55] <phunyguy> what mobo?
[02:55] <phunyguy> m3n78?
[02:55] <bobbob1016> not sure offhand asus
[02:55] <phunyguy> hmmm
[02:55] <phunyguy> prolly same one i got
[02:55] <phunyguy> you got audio over HDMI?
[02:56] <bobbob1016> No
[02:56] <bobbob1016> couldn't
[02:56] <phunyguy> me neither :(
[02:56] <phunyguy> we are SOL on that
[02:56] <phunyguy> just so you know  ;)
[02:56] <phunyguy> its an alsa issue
[02:56] <bobbob1016> Ok, I'm using spdif out, no problem
[02:57] <phunyguy> custom kernel?
[02:57] <bobbob1016> but I want to get the visualizations working, anyone know?
[02:57] <phunyguy> you said they are slow...
[02:57] <bobbob1016> phunyguy, No, just enabled it in the myth settings
[02:57] <bobbob1016> Different mobo
[02:57] <phunyguy> how slow is slow?
[02:57] <bobbob1016> Like 4 frames a second
[02:58] <bobbob1016> or less
[02:58] <phunyguy> hmm
[02:58] <bobbob1016> When fullscreen, but minimized is basically fine
[02:58] <phunyguy> forget to enable glx in xorg.conf?
[02:58] <phunyguy> or dri?
[02:58] <bobbob1016> module glx is there, not dri
[02:59] <phunyguy> not sure which if not both that you need
[02:59] <RobertLaptop> OK.  can soneone tell where to look for bug reports.
[02:59] <phunyguy> adding dri can't hurt
[02:59] <bobbob1016> Load "glx" is in Section Modules
[02:59] <bobbob1016> Module*
[02:59] <phunyguy> err
[02:59] <phunyguy> dri is an option, right?
[02:59] <phunyguy> not a module
[03:00] <bobbob1016> Where do I add it?
[03:00] <phunyguy> dude it really sounds like you are using the standard drivers
[03:00] <phunyguy> you sure you enabled the restricted?
[03:00] <bobbob1016> Nvidia configured it, I have the nvidia settings there, let me chec
[03:00] <bobbob1016> check*
[03:01] <phunyguy> well it should say "nvidia" as the driver in xorg.conf
[03:01] <phunyguy> nv is the standard
[03:01] <phunyguy> nvidia is restricted.
[03:01] <bobbob1016> Section "Device" has nvidia
[03:02] <phunyguy> ok good.
[03:02] <phunyguy> got a terminal up?
[03:02] <bobbob1016> an ssh one yes
[03:02] <phunyguy> try glxgears
[03:02] <phunyguy> err
[03:02] <phunyguy> dammit
[03:02] <phunyguy> gotta have one up on the mythbox
[03:02] <phunyguy> for glxgears
[03:02] <bobbob1016> glxgears animation works fine in the mythbox
[03:02] <phunyguy> im sure it does
[03:02] <bobbob1016> mythmusic
[03:02] <phunyguy> but it may still be low frames
[03:02] <bobbob1016> ok, one sec
[03:03] <phunyguy> may "look" fine
[03:04] <phunyguy> also, if you want to enable dri..
[03:04] <phunyguy> http://tinyurl.com/9ow7am
[03:04] <phunyguy> that link should show you
[03:04] <phunyguy> ;)
[03:04] <bobbob1016> When I tried glxgears, said mesa-utils not installed, could that be it?
[03:05] <phunyguy> that means you need dri
[03:05] <phunyguy> shouldnt need mase
[03:05] <phunyguy> mesa
[03:05] <bobbob1016> I installed it, but how do I see if frames are low?  It runs slow
[03:05] <phunyguy> i wouldnt think anyway
[03:05] <bobbob1016> Doesn't run slow*
[03:05] <phunyguy> will you click that link?
[03:05] <phunyguy> the frames come up in the terminal
[03:05] <phunyguy> gives you an update like every 5 seconds
[03:09] <h_thegeek> !help
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[03:09] <h_thegeek> !username
[03:09] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about username
[03:09] <h_thegeek> !change username
[03:09] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about change username
[03:09] <bobbob1016> Ok, I added direct rendering, rebooting since ctrl+alt+backspace didn't change anything
[03:17] <bobbob1016> phunyguy, +/-1960fps
[03:24] <MythbuntuGuest78> Is there a way to get mythbuntu to use vlc to view videos rather than the internal viewer?  Like putting vlc file://%s vlc://quit in the player settings?
[03:25] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest78: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/VLC
[03:25] <RobertLaptop> myvideo under frontend settings
[03:30] <MythbuntuGuest78> I've tried that rhpot, but it's still using the internal player.  Do I need to reboot the box or something? (windows user...yes, I know.  :p)
[03:32] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest78 you sure it saved?
[03:32] <rhpot1991> and did you do it per a file type or just the default one?
[03:33] <MythbuntuGuest78> hrm...okay, I stand corrected
[03:33] <MythbuntuGuest78> a little anyway
[03:33] <MythbuntuGuest78> a divx I downloaded plays in vlc now
[03:34] <rhpot1991> if you go into the section where you add/delete file types
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest78> but other files (like .isos ripped by mythbuntu) don't appear to be opening in vlc
[03:34] <rhpot1991> you can specify players per file type there
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest78> ooo
[03:34] <rhpot1991> odds are one of them has something like internal instead of default in there
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest78> You sir/madam, are my hero
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest78> :D
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest78> Thank you thank you thank you thank you!
[03:36] <rhpot1991> glad I could help :)
[04:10] <quinten> hi, is there a packaging problem? i'm trying to install the most recent -fixes branch on a recently installed myth box, using the uk weekly builds
[04:11] <quinten> there's an unmet dependency though: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:11] <quinten>   mythtv-frontend: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.97) but it is not installable
[04:11] <quinten>                    Depends: libmyth-0.21-0 (>= 0.21.0+fixes19626) but 0.21.0+fixes18722-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:12] <quinten> however, liblame0 appears to have been replaced w/ libmp3lame0
[04:13] <superm1> quinten, on which release of ubuntu are you?
[04:13] <superm1> hardy, intrepid or jaunty
[04:13] <quinten> 8.10, intrepid right?
[04:14] <erb_> i've coded the "PC" button on my mce remote to pm-suspend
[04:14] <superm1> yeah that's right.  you probably have the hardy repo added instead of intrepid then in your sources.list
[04:14] <superm1> we probably need to switch the website over to the right thing
[04:14] <superm1> tgm4883, ^
[04:14] <superm1> check
[04:14] <superm1> quinten, ^
[04:14] <erb_> i'm not sure on where to put the remote code though
[04:14] <erb_> i have it in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf right now
[04:15] <erb_> but when i hit the PC button it does nothing
[04:15] <erb_> so i made sure i setup the proper permission and did sudo pm-suspend on my myth account
[04:15] <superm1> erb_, it's got to be in ~/.lirc/irxevent
[04:15] <erb_> that worked fine and then the PC button woke it back up
[04:15] <superm1> if that file doesnt work, then ~/.lircrc
[04:15] <superm1> er work == exist
[04:16] <erb_> ok so make a file in .lirc named irxevent
[04:16] <erb_> and add
[04:16] <quinten> superm1: doh, thank you. that was a stupid mistake on my part
[04:16] <erb_> begin button = Power prog = irexec repeat = 0 config = sudo /usr/sbin/pm-suspend
[04:16] <erb_> end
[04:16] <erb_> does that sound right superm1?
[04:17] <superm1> oh wait irexec is right, i was thinking something different with irxevent
[04:17] <superm1> so just put it in ~/.lircrc instead
[04:18] <erb_> ok so put that code just in .lircrc
[04:18] <erb_> and not worry about irxevent?
[04:18] <erb_> does it matter if the code goes before or after all of the include lines
[04:19] <superm1> i was thinking of something else with irxevent
[04:19] <erb_> ok
[04:19] <superm1> doesnt matter where it goes
[04:19] <erb_> i'll try it now, thank you.
[04:20] <erb_> just gotta kill the lircd pid then restart it right?
[04:20] <superm1> no, just need to run irxev
[04:20] <superm1> no, just need to run irexec
[04:20] <superm1> i cant type apparently
[04:20] <erb_> alright i'll see how it goes
[04:22] <erb_> that's a no go
[04:22] <erb_> PC button still does nothign while the power is on
[04:22] <superm1> use ircat to test your lircrc
[04:24] <erb_> i did ircat -c ~will/.lircrc
[04:24] <erb_> just seems to be hanging there
[04:24] <superm1> press a button at that point
[04:24] <erb_> oh
[04:25] <superm1> try pressing power maybes
[04:25] <erb_> nothing on the terminal showed up
[04:25] <erb_> i pressed a bunch of them
[04:25] <erb_> first power
[04:30] <erb_> http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z168/illwill781/mce-powerbutton.jpg
[04:30] <erb_> that shows all the settings that i think are correct
[04:30] <erb_> but apparently not heh
[04:34] <superm1> no i see what's wrong
[04:34] <superm1> you need to launch irexec as the user whose home directory has that stuff
[04:34] <superm1> actually mythbuntu_session.sh (the default session launcher) might do it all for you
[04:35] <erb_> where is that .sh file?
[04:36] <superm1> /usr/share/mythbuntu
[04:39] <erb_> ok i'm in the session.sh
[04:39] <erb_> i guess i need to delete my rc.local entry for starting up irexec
[04:39] <superm1> yes you do
[04:39] <erb_> and then i'm all set?
[04:40] <superm1> well in theory
[04:40] <superm1> :)
[04:40] <erb_> haha
[04:40] <erb_> took some time to read through the if conditions
[04:40] <erb_> i havent seen code in years
[04:40] <erb_> looks like if it greps the word irexec from my .lircrc it'll start up the daemon
[04:41] <erb_> at least i think so im not positive
[04:41] <erb_> so just simply delete the line in rc.local for starting up irexec
[04:42] <erb_> and reboot and pray for the bst?
[04:42] <erb_> best
[04:42] <superm1> well go ahead and try
[04:42] <erb_> sounds like a plan
[04:43] <erb_> this teaches me for never caring about how loud my system fans are
[04:43] <erb_> "why do i care if it sounds like a jet, its in my basement"
[04:43] <erb_> not anymore with the mythbuntu box
[04:43] <erb_> heh
[04:51] <erb_> nope :(
[04:52] <erb_> it didnt run irexec on reboot
[04:55] <superm1> well try launching it your self manually by the command line as that user
[04:55] <superm1> (no sudo)
[04:55] <superm1> and just see that the other pieces are working
[04:56] <erb_> i just got it working
[04:56] <erb_> what i did was put the line back into rc.local
[04:56] <erb_> however i added the /home/will/.lircrc flag to it
[04:58] <erb_> it looks like the computer actually does a shutdown and not a sleep unless uptime it expected to be restarted (says up 1 minute in uptime)
[04:59] <erb_> my box is connected directly to the tv w/ s-video out and the BIOS loads on screen and it gets to the grub loading text
[04:59] <erb_> then the TV screen starts going haywire
[05:00] <erb_> then eventually it goes to the X screen before myth loads
[05:00] <erb_> i'm assuming X is trying to scan the monitor to see what kind of refresh rate/modes its capable of
[05:00] <erb_> how can i change it so that no matter what it loads up at 1024x768 @ 60hz
[05:01] <erb_> throughout the entire X boot process
[05:01] <erb_> this has nothing to do with the power button thing we just fixed
[05:27] <rhpot1991> !stab tgm4883
[05:27]  * Zinn stabs tgm4883 with a rusty spork.
[06:53] <Shadow____X1> i am using a hamachi autostart script but it hasnt been working on my box any ideas\
[06:53] <hads> Hamachi?
[06:58] <laga> hads: some VPN software
[06:58] <hads> Mmm just reading it's Wikipedia page, using <IP_ADDRESS>/8 is silly.
[06:59] <Shadow____X1> hads it can be very usefull
[06:59] <Shadow____X1> simple vpn that gets the job done
[06:59] <Shadow____X1> point to point without opening ports
[07:00] <hads> I believe you, using reserved address space is still silly though.
[07:02] <Shadow____X1> yeah
[07:02] <Shadow____X1> do you know the option to tell mplayer to buffer
[07:03] <Shadow____X1> nvm i believe i sfound it
[13:02] <sceptiQ> hi
[13:05] <sceptiQ> where can i find a list of the supported devices?
[15:30]  * tritium wonders why he pays Schedules Direct $20/year for "NO DATA" listings
[15:36] <jphillip> tritium have a lot or a few?
[15:38] <tgm4883> tritium, whose your cable company?
[15:39] <jphillip> I recenctly contaced SD and had to switch my lineup, got rid of most of my missing data
[15:40] <jphillip> turns out there were 2 listings for my area and I picked the wrong one
[16:01] <tritium> jphillip: a lot, tgm4883 no cable -- over the air
[16:02] <tgm4883> IIRC, you could check zap2it.com to see if they have data for your area, then you would know if it's a problem with their data or your system
[16:04] <tritium> tgm4883: yeah, I recall after the upgrade from 0.20 to 0.21, I had similar issues.  I emailed SD for support, and they helped me verify that the XML data they were providing was good.  It's a fresh install, so something must need some tweaking.
[16:04] <tritium> It doesn't "just work"
[16:07] <jphillip> tritium sounds like you have channels that don't match up with the xml ids or something
[16:07] <jphillip> may just need to change those
[16:07] <tritium> jphillip: perhaps so.  I'll look into it.  Thanks!
[16:09] <tritium> Have a good day, tgm4883, jphillip.
[16:10] <jphillip> you too tritium
[18:00] <Lokiase> hello, how can I access my mybook NAS via mythbuntu?
[18:03] <Lokiase> [19:00] <Lokiase> hello, how can I access my mybook NAS via mythbuntu?
[18:06] <laga> Lokiase: ask the company who made your NAS?
[18:06] <Lokiase> laga, I can access the NAS, via samba in kubuntu, but in ubuntu/mythbuntu, I don't know how it works
[18:09] <laga> well, there are lots of ways to access a SMB share
[18:10] <Lokiase> tell me one, so I can see movies on my nas in mythbuntu
[18:13] <Lokiase> ...
[18:13] <tgm4883> !manual | Lokiase
[18:13] <Zinn> Lokiase: http://mythbuntu.org/installation_manual
[18:14] <tgm4883> Lokiase, read that, there is a section on SMB shares
[18:48] <Lokiase> ok, i have googled, searched and tried for HOURES!!! Can SOMEONE please help me to access my mybook-NAS in mythbuntu so I can watch movies that are on my NAS with Mythbuntu???????????????????????
[18:50] <Lokiase> PLEASE???
[18:57] <Lokiase> nobody??? 54 users and nothing????
[19:07] <csyperski> I am a newb to Myth, and I wanted to know if it is possible to Stream Live TV from the Myth backend (or frontend) to PCs either using VLC/WMP or a Flash plugin?  We can get the system to record, and we can playback the recordings, but as soon as the playback hits what was live when we started playback it stops.  So in other words it doesn't continue streaming to the end of the program if the program isn't finished.  We are using Mythbuntu 8.10.
[19:09] <tgm4883> csyperski, AFAIK, no.  You could try the windows frontend which I believe has live tv capabilities
[19:09] <tgm4883> csyperski, since you said WMP, i'm assuming you are using windows
[19:10] <tgm4883> csyperski, http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/
[19:11] <tgm4883> the non live tv version is included with the mythbuntu ISO
[19:11] <tgm4883> V5.0 has live tv features
[19:11] <csyperski> Yes, most of the clients with will be windows, we tried mythtvplayer 0.4.2, but it doesn't seem to handle live streaming.
[19:12] <tgm4883> yes, 0.5.0 does, before that it does not
[19:12] <csyperski> When you say version 5.0 what are you refering too, mythtvplayer?
[19:13] <tgm4883> yes mythtvplayer 0.5.0.   XBMC also can do live tv sort of, but i'm not sure about the linux version
[19:14] <csyperski> Thanks much, I will check that out.
[19:16] <Morphine_drip> using mythvideo, is it possible to have ONE listing of movies...if i have these movies split across 2 hd's?
[19:17] <Morphine_drip> if i have 2 mountpoints.../mnt/1, /mnt/2...in the utilities setup...i put in the /mnt....when i go to browse the new listing i see 1,2...i would like to see one giant merged list of movies.
[19:18] <Morphine_drip> i tried to get fancy and create a directory full of symlinks that point to the movies on the 2 drives and tell myth to look in <symlink> dir instead....it catalogued nothing. so it seems to filter symlinks
[19:20] <tgm4883> Morphine_drip, in mythvideo settings, you need to set your mythvideo dir as "/path/dir/1:/path/dir/2"
[19:21] <tgm4883> the : is the separater
[19:22] <Morphine_drip> yeah, my mistake. i did have the ':' separator...it mentions that character as a hint at the bottom of the screen.
[19:23] <Morphine_drip> even so, i get the folders..1...2....then if i go into each folder i can see the videos...from the 'watch videos' link/menu i want to get a complete listing of the movies...all in one list.
[19:23] <Morphine_drip> using symlinks wasn't any help
[19:27] <tgm4883> Morphine_drip, I got to run some errands, but did you set mythvideo as browsable, or do you have to scan for videos
[19:27] <Morphine_drip> i'll check now.
[19:28] <Morphine_drip> 'video list browses files' is not checked
[19:30] <tgm4883> Morphine_drip, I dont know then, try unchecking "Show folders for database views"
[19:30] <Morphine_drip> ok man
[19:31] <Morphine_drip> yeah, its already unchecked. thanks anyway man
[19:47] <Morphine_drip> question. it a directory contains an iso file (of a movie), that movies is listed in a blue colored text...whereas if i have a movie.img file in another directory...the directory that it is in is labeled in white. if i want to play each movie..i have to go into the white one....while i can play the iso in the blue dir just by selecting the dir
[19:48] <Morphine_drip> anyone know how i can get the behavior the same? dont care which way i go.
[21:06] <sam038> hello
[22:39] <MythbuntuGuest67> my live cd wont start to boot any typs
[23:20]  * Paladine is about to embark on installing mythbuntu on an HP T5700 Thin client :)
[23:21] <Paladine> just waiting for the ISO to finish downloading


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