[10:47] <nuge> zugot, having some troubles with grub on this lapotp i got and i saw one post on the ubuntu forums saying that perhaps lilo may work better
[10:47] <Dalk-Away> nuge, in expert mode, you simply skip the grub install stage
[10:47] <Dalk-Away> the next stage is the lilo install
[10:47] <difekta> does anyone know whether there will be any way to have a multiple user login interface at the gdm, like in osx and xp?
[10:47] <nuge> dalk-away, ahh.. ok simple enough, thanks :)
[10:47] <Dalkus> difekta, yes, there is :)
[10:48] <Dalkus> Np
[10:48] <difekta> there is a way?
[10:48] <maxchee> Zugot: thx!
[10:48] <Dalkus> it is default
[10:48] <difekta> it's not on my system
[10:48] <Dalkus> difekta, you type your username and password in the graphical login
[10:48] <Dalkus> just type the username of the other account
[10:48] <difekta> no, that's not what i mean.
[10:48] <Dalkus> Hmm?
[10:48] <Agrajag> Dalkus: I think he's asking for a list of names
[10:48] <Dalkus> Oh
[10:48] <Agrajag> difekta: sudo gdmsetup
[10:49] <kakalto> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107331 <---- Could someone please help me?
[10:49] <difekta> if my system goes to screensaver, or i say "login as another user", it doesn't take me back to the login screen.
[10:49] <Dalkus> It can definatly be done in kdm, so i guess it can be done
[10:49] <Agrajag> oh, that
[10:49] <difekta> the gdm should spawn the login on a new x server.
[10:49] <difekta> that is sorely lacking in gdm.
[10:49] <difekta> and xp and osx have had it for years.
[10:49] <Agrajag> uh
[10:49] <mhz> bur[n] er: hey, there
[10:50] <Agrajag> Applications > System Tools > New Login
[10:50] <bur[n] er> hola
[10:50] <difekta> but that's a hack.
[10:50] <bur[n] er> what's up mhz
[10:50] <difekta> in order to do that, a user would have to have access to my login.
[10:50] <mjr> xp and osx have spawned new X servers for logins for ages?
[10:50] <difekta> exactly.
[10:50] <difekta> so why doesn't gdm
[10:51] <difekta> say i'm away from my computer, and my system has gone to screen saver, a new user should be presented with a login.
[10:51] <newguy> Hello I have one quick question..does Ubuntu have a modem dialer installed by default?
[10:51] <mhz> bur[n] er: sorry for bothering at this time but I just installed ubuntu to a friend of mine and I got this stupid question: What to edit in cups?? to enable it via localhost:631??
[10:51] <geneo91> xp and osx aren't sucure
[10:51] <difekta> this is one of the major issues keeping desktop linux a bit "ghetto"
[10:51] <Dalkus> difekta, check out google, maybe someones written about it
[10:51] <geneo91> secure
[10:51] <kbrooks> geneo91, dude. they are
[10:51] <bur[n] er> mhz: it should be enabled by default
[10:51] <mhz> bur[n] er: yes, I googled a little but we are running out of time
[10:51] <geneo91> oh sure they are
[10:51] <mjr> well, you _can_ tell gdm to start multiple X servers from the get-go, that would help some
[10:51] <bur[n] er> localhost:631 doesn't show anything?
[10:51] <gxx> anyone know about video lag in hoary?  how can i fix it
[10:51] <kbrooks> geneo91, osx is, by default
[10:51] <bur[n] er> mhz: u can always try the gnome-print-manager
[10:52] <mhz> it says Disabled
[10:52] <mjr> but having it spawn new servers would be a useful option sometimes
[10:52] <mjr> (as would be having a button in xscreensaver that launches a new gdm login)
[10:52] <mhz> yes, but do not like it and he already knows via web only
[10:52] <bur[n] er> er... gnome-cups-manager
[10:52] <kbrooks> geneo91, xp is IF AND ONLY IF you enable a rudiementary firewll
[10:52] <Zugot> do you guys understand what you are asking?
[10:52] <kbrooks> wall*
[10:52] <difekta> i have done the multiple xservers.
[10:52] <bur[n] er> mhz: dpkg-reconfigure cups?
[10:52] <difekta> that still requires that one press ctrl-alt-fx.  that just doesn't seem very professional.
[10:53] <geneo91> kbrooks:  that firewall is ajoke in xp
[10:53] <mhz> hmmm, I knew there was something to edit in /etc/cups or I am wrong?
[10:53] <Zugot> what makes sense and what is practical aren't the same thing
[10:53] <Zugot> geneo91, it isn't a joke.. it does what it supposed to do
[10:53] <akk> Has anyone asked already for console beep to be turned on in the ubuntu kernel?
[10:53] <kbrooks> geneo91, yeah...there are freeware and shareware firewalls
[10:53] <kbrooks> NOT OPEN SOURCE
[10:53] <kbrooks> AS IF!
[10:53] <Roey> hi
[10:53] <Roey> I am trying to boot Ubuntu and get this:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[10:54] <kbrooks> Zugot, it is technically a joke
[10:54] <mhz> bur[n] er: nops! sorry
[10:54] <bur[n] er> mhz: it just works for me to go to localhost:631 :\
[10:54] <critter> Is there an easy way to restore files in the trash bin .  Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing."
[10:55] <kakalto> could someone please help me with my cascading style sheets issue?
[10:55] <bur[n] er> mhz: no, i don't
[10:55] <bur[n] er> that printing panel works fo rme
[10:55] <Dalkus> kakalto, wrong channel to ask in :)
[10:55] <Zugot> kbrooks, we are going off topic here... and your argument makes no sense
[10:55] <kakalto> is it?
[10:55] <kbrooks> as if! i DEMAND a open source firewall for windows
[10:55] <bur[n] er> mhz: using warty or hoary?
[10:55] <mhz> bur[n] er: okidoki, then, thx anyways :D
[10:55] <kakalto> Dalkus, ?
[10:55] <Roey> *an open source firewall
[10:55] <Dalkus> kakalto, try in #CSS
[10:55] <mhz> me, hoary, him, warty
[10:56] <mhz> we both see same stuff
[10:56] <kakalto> Dalkus, lol, thanks
[10:56] <Dalkus> Np.
[10:56] <Zugot> kbrooks, why?  windows xp isn't an open source os.
[10:56] <Zugot> thats crazy
[10:56] <critter> Can anyone tell me how to restore files in the trash bin?
[10:56] <kakalto> Dalkus, does that include problems with programs crashing when editing a css file?
[10:56] <bur[n] er> mhz: within the gnome-cups-manager, you could turn on "lan browsing" under the global menu
[10:56] <Roey> kbrooks: http://www.governmentsecurity.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t4537.html
[10:57] <Dalkus> Er, depends on the program :)  Which program?
[10:57] <nuge> Dalkus: installing it now.. the only option i see is "install the grub boot loader..." or "continue without boot loader"  - sorry, where is my option for lilo?
[10:57] <yahalom> hi when i try to remove mesa-gl with apt-get it wants to uninstall about another 40 apps with it, such as synaptic, my BZFlag game, etc, is this normal? how can i just remove the mesa-gl? help appreciated.
[10:57] <kakalto> Dalkus, the thing is, nautilus crashes when inside a directory with a css file
[10:57] <kakalto> Dalkus, which is why I thought this was the channel for help
[10:57] <Dalkus> You know how you have to go down the list each time, and hit enter on the part of the install you would like to continue with? I seem to remember lilo being after grub
[10:58] <geneo91> nuge try the back button
[10:58] <siimo> anyone know the name of that new GTK2 pdf viewer that supports text copy and  text search like acrobat? its only like version 0.2 or something
[10:58] <Dalkus> kakalto, In that case, sorry this is the right channel... but your problem isnt a CSS one, its a nautilus one :)
[10:58] <Roey> sii: the one that uses poppler?
[10:58] <kakalto> Dalkus; except it also happens with gedit and the archive program
[10:58] <Roey> can anyone help me out with this grub bootup issue?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[10:58] <Ubabe> im at a crossroads here ppl...
[10:59] <sysrq> How is one to setup printing remotely if administration via the cups interface is disabled?
[10:59] <Dalkus> kakalto, have you searched google for the problem?
[10:59] <Ubabe> ...if i can get Ubuntu to run my plugins, im
[10:59] <Ubabe> ...gonna cry! boohoo! heheh
[10:59] <nuge> geneo91, sends me back to man install menu with no option for lilo :/
[10:59] <kakalto> Dalkus, yes, with no success
[10:59] <nuge> s/man install/main install
[10:59] <Ubabe> nah, how do i get them to work?
[10:59] <kakalto> I also searched the forums, with no success
[10:59] <Ubabe> any Firefox wizzs here?
[10:59] <Dalkus> kakalto, sorry try asking in a few hours :)
[10:59] <kakalto> which is why I made this topic ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107331
[10:59] <Dalkus> Ubabe, whats your problem?
[10:59] <geneo91> nuge  does it say insrall boot loader
[10:59] <vinsee> i <3 ubuntu
[11:00] <nuge> it says "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk"
[11:00] <Dalkus> Ubabe, check out www.ubuntuguide.org, it details installing firefox plugins if thats what your after?
[11:00] <yahalom> anyone?
[11:01] <Dalkus> nuge, after that option, should be a lilo line?
[11:01] <vmrocha> i just installed vlc and i got the following erro: [00000273]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[11:01] <vmrocha> does anyone have a clue?
[11:01] <nuge> dalkus, not on this warty amd64 install cd :/
[11:01] <Dalkus> nuge, hrm, perhaps lilo isnt ported to it yet
[11:01] <Roey> nuge: dude there is no lilo on ubuntu
[11:01] <Dalkus> You tried using GRUB?
[11:01] <Ubabe> Dalkus, yup, thanks :)
[11:01] <Roey> nuge: it just installs grub
[11:01] <Dalkus> Roey, yes there is
[11:01] <Roey> Dalkus: oh???
[11:01] <Dalkus> Ubabe, np
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: so if I reinstall, I can select LILO?
[11:02] <nuge> in fact, (with the cdrom mounted), a 'find / -name "*lilo*"' find nothing
[11:02] <Dalkus> Roey, I almost installed it
[11:02] <nuge> dalkus ah i see, hmm
[11:02] <Dalkus> Yeah, in expert mode
[11:02] <Roey> oh really
[11:02] <Roey> interesting.
[11:02] <Dalkus> Though expert mode needs more experience than the normal mode :)
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: that's fien for me
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: I can't really /get/ lilo to boot
[11:02] <davix> how do i apt install a deb file?
[11:02] <Dalkus> I suggest you stick with grub... it's generally nicer
[11:02] <nuge> dalkus, i guessi could try the hoary preview installer
[11:02] <eYeStRaIn> im having problems with hotplug subsystem crashing on my laptop
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: I get an error on three different amd64 kernels.
[11:02] <eYeStRaIn> any suggestions what should i do
[11:03] <Dalkus> Roey, what kind of error?
[11:03] <Roey> Dalkus: grub gives me different errors... http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[11:03] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, you tried upgrading it?
[11:03] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, hotplug, that is
[11:03] <eYeStRaIn> upgrading which?
[11:03] <Dalkus> ^
[11:03] <Roey> Dalkus: LILO gives me this kind of error:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/GXDJxw37.html
[11:04] <vinsee> when is hoary coming?
[11:04] <davix> how do i apt install a deb file?
[11:04] <vinsee> out*
[11:04] <eYeStRaIn> im using gateway solo 3300 laptop and i installed 5.04 ubuntu on it, but everytime it boots it stucks on hotplug subsystem
[11:04] <Dalkus> Roey, hrmph, sorry I don't know anything about those errors, try another help channel? Any debian help channel should also be relevent
[11:04] <Dalkus> davix, with dpkg -i
[11:04] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, when does it get stuck? before X loads?
[11:05] <arbeck> when i try to use cdrecord, i get this error message: Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)...
[11:05] <eYeStRaIn> no when it says hotplug subsystem ...
[11:05] <Dalkus> When is that...? After you login?
[11:05] <Roey> Dalkus: ok
[11:05] <Dalkus> Roey, sorry :)
[11:05] <Roey> Dalkus: thank you
[11:05] <Dalkus> np
[11:05] <Ubabe> sorry to bother
[11:06] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: i think its before that, i havent seen any login prompt yet
[11:06] <dryad> Hey, I was wondering if it's possible to reinstall gnome-background-properties - mine stopped working sometime today..
[11:06] <zyga> dryad: sure it is, try synaptic
[11:06] <Roey> Dalkus: hmm, can't post to #debian... no voice
[11:06] <davix> tnx Dalkus
[11:06] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, when your computer boots, look for when it says something about an "interactive startup" it might ask to press I. If you see that, press I and select Y for everything that isnt hotplug, and N for hotplug
[11:06] <dryad> zyga - I've been there already, yet I can't find gnome-background-properties in there.
[11:07] <Dalkus> Roey, try another server? :) maybe undernet?
[11:07] <Roey> Dalkus: another linux maybe ;)
[11:07] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: i'll try that, do i need to put something on grub to activate interactive startup?
[11:07] <Dalkus> Roey, that seems to be a linux problem rather than a distro specific problem, so just ask around... If your part of any mailing lists that might be a good place to ask
[11:08] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, nope. When you see the list of deamons starting up... followed by [OK] . You should have the option for interactive startup
[11:08] <Dalkus> that basically lets you choose what starts up, so just dont let hotplug start and see hwo far that gets you
[11:08] <difekta> i have this weird issue.  i just bought a new lcd monitor, and when my screen locks, two pixels in the red portion of the ubuntu logo look dead.  but in no other case do they look problematic.  anyone else have this issue?
[11:08] <zenwhen>  How well do you think Ubuntu will respond to switching from an i865 based board to an i875P based board without a reinstall?
[11:09] <Dalkus> difekta, check the forums, that might be a hardware cursur problem - but im not sure. There is info on the forums about how to fix that
[11:09] <zenrox> zenwhen,  a lote
[11:09] <Bazzi> zenwhen it will kernalpanic
[11:09] <difekta> interesting
[11:09] <Bazzi> (j/k)
[11:09] <zenwhen> Even though the chips are very close?
[11:09] <Dalkus> I'm not sure if thats you problem, difekta - but try it :)
[11:09] <zenwhen> So i would need to chroot in and redo the initrd?
[11:09] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: unfortunately it didnt show up any interactive startup :(
[11:10] <zenrox> zenwhen,  i had probs going from i845gl going to i845ge
[11:10] <zenwhen> I really hope i can avoid a reinstall.
[11:10] <zenwhen> But this board is on the firtz.
[11:10] <zenwhen> fritz*
[11:10] <SiRrUs> good afternoon
[11:11] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, is the point that it freezes during the list of [OK] 's?
[11:11] <zenrox> zenwhen,  ya i can understand
[11:11] <Bandit> SiRrUs i keep telling you they dont greet in here
[11:11] <SiRrUs> i see
[11:12] <SiRrUs> their loss ;)
[11:13] <dryad> zyga: what am I supposed to reinstall with synaptic? - I've got no clue on what package that contains gnome-background-properties
[11:14] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: yes, exactly the [OK] s list when hotplug came up, it freezes
[11:14] <vinsee> :[
[11:15] <vinsee> is this warty?
[11:15] <vinsee> or hoary
[11:15] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, what error does it give?
[11:15] <Elsidox> can someone tell me where my fstab config file is located?
[11:15] <zyga> dryad: dpkg-query -s gnome-background-properties
[11:15] <vinsee> in the /etc folder
[11:15] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks
[11:15] <Dalkus> Elsidox, make a backup first :)
[11:15] <dryad> zyga: alright, thank you!
[11:16] <Dalkus> Elsidox, sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.old
[11:16] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: i dont see any error, it just freezes
[11:16] <SiRrUs> everyone running hoary or warty
[11:16] <difekta> does anyone know how to simply make the gdm spawn logins in a new xserver, leaving the gdm in its current xserver+
[11:16] <vinsee> eyestrain: is this hoary?
[11:16] <difekta> hoary
[11:16] <dryad> zyga: Package `gnome-background-properties' is not installed and no info is available.
[11:16] <zyga> hmm
[11:16] <dryad> zyga: That's what I expected - the package isn't named that.
[11:16] <Elsidox> Dalkus, woops i didnt mean fstab. Im looking for the file where you can chnage your resoultion. Right now i can only go up to 1024x768
[11:16] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, brb, I have to restart and It's an opportunity to try and see how to enable interactive startup
[11:16] <vinsee> xorg.conf
[11:16] <zyga> dryad: -S
[11:17] <vinsee> try /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:17] <zyga> dryad: sorry, -s is status, -S is search :-)
[11:17] <Dalkus> Elsidox, you can't go higer if X dosn't think you can :)
[11:17] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks again
[11:17] <Dalkus> Carefull... you might mes your monitor up
[11:17] <Dalkus> brb
[11:17] <vinsee> although you should probbaly use xorgconfig
[11:17] <Dalkus> Be very careful
[11:17] <Elsidox> Dalkus, ive done it on ubuntu in the past. =)
[11:18] <zyga> dryad: -S searches for filename patterns
[11:19] <zyga> dryad: try reinstalling ubuntu-artwork, capplets and capplets-data
[11:19] <vinsee> or just reinstall ubuntu altogether
[11:19] <vinsee> teehee
[11:19] <Elsidox> is 1280x1024 a good resolution. I had mine set somewhere around there I just cant remember.
[11:20] <dryad> zyga: just did... no luck though :/
[11:20] <vinsee> dryad: reinstall ubuntu
[11:20] <vinsee> better yet
[11:20] <vinsee> wait until 5.04 proper
[11:20] <vinsee> and then reinstall
[11:20] <zyga> dryad: what did you do to break it?
[11:20] <zyga> dryad: try running it from terminal
[11:20] <zyga> dryad: and see what it says before dying
[11:21] <dabugas> hi
[11:21] <dryad> zyga: I think it broke when I installed the ubuntu-calendar-* packages
[11:21] <dryad> okay, I'll try that
[11:21] <vinsee> the installation probably inadvertently removed some of your packages...
[11:21] <dryad> zyga: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/gnome-background-properties/gnome-wallpaper-propert
[11:21] <zyga> dryad: hmm doubtfull - they only contain images and bunch of xml files
[11:21] <difekta> can someone tell me where to put this script this guy suggests running? http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2002/06/msg00322.html
[11:22] <Elsidox> meh =(
[11:22] <Elsidox> how can I make me resolution go higher than 1024x768
[11:22] <Elsidox> my*
[11:22] <zyga> dryad: try removing ubuntu-calendar for a moment
[11:22] <difekta> Elsidox you can edit xorg.conf
[11:22] <shekhar_> hello can someone help me with synaptic
[11:22] <vinsee> does your monitor/video card support resolutions higher than that?
[11:22] <zyga> and remove one of your config files, w8
[11:22] <dryad> zyga: did - and reinstalled those packages - no luck
[11:22] <Elsidox> difekta, I just tryed to do that
[11:22] <Elsidox> difekta, do i have to restart?
[11:23] <vinsee> lol
[11:23] <vinsee> yes restart
[11:23] <vinsee> sudo reboot
[11:23] <zyga> dryad: rm ~/.gnome/backgrounds.xml
[11:23] <Elsidox> i did a ctrl alt backspace
[11:23] <Elsidox> =)
[11:23] <difekta> you shouldn't have to restart.
[11:23] <difekta> it should work as soon as you spawn a new xserver.
[11:23] <vinsee> elsidox:do sudo xorgconfig
[11:23] <dabugas> i've been sort of updating to hoary from wary and the desktop (nautilus) has stopped showing up my windows drive. i can access it through the terminal and it's in fstab. any ideas?
[11:23] <difekta> you can also use the settings in the menu right?
[11:23] <dryad> zyga: same error
[11:24] <difekta> on this help page, this guy shows a script he wrote to do multiple logins.  can anyone tell me where i should actually _put_ the script? http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2002/06/msg00322.html
[11:24] <Elsidox> vinsee, im to much of a newb to go threw that
[11:25] <dryad> zyga: The file "gnome-background-properties/gnome-wallpaper-properties" is a symlink - is it supposed to be that?
[11:25] <Elsidox> vinsee, I could set my res higher but after I installed the nvidia driver I cant anymore.
[11:25] <vinsee> really
[11:25] <vinsee> did you say nvidia
[11:25] <Elsidox> yes
[11:25] <vinsee> ok go to your xorg.conf
[11:25] <vinsee> change "nv" to "nvidia"
[11:25] <Elsidox> im there
[11:25] <zyga> dryad: did you paste the whole error message?
[11:25] <Elsidox> k
[11:25] <nuge> what would y'all suggest for a laptop install filesystem.. ext3 or xfs ? :)
[11:26] <dryad> yes zyga, the error message I pasted was the complete error.
[11:26] <drasko_> how to erase rw cd? In Graveman and in K3B that apperation alway fails...
[11:26] <Elsidox> vinsee, its already like that
[11:26] <vinsee> is it?
[11:26] <vinsee> hmmm.
[11:26] <vinsee> what resolution are you trying to set it to?
[11:26] <dryad> I just tried to unlink that symlink - now gnome-background-properties doesn't crash anymore, however, there's no backgrounds in the list anymore either.
[11:26] <Elsidox> should I just change my deafault to 1080x1024 and save than reboot?
[11:26] <dryad> oh wait, now there is - guess they just had to load for a second
[11:26] <dryad> problem resolved I guess :)
[11:26] <vinsee> 1280x1024 you mean?
[11:27] <Elsidox> yes lol
[11:27] <zyga> dryad: whad did you unlink?
[11:27] <swilry> Hello. Maybe someone can help me solve a problem with kubuntu...
[11:27] <davix> what is a good terminal that emulates ansi for linux (in order to connect to a bbs-telnet)?
[11:27] <gdh> swilry: #kubuntu might be able to :)
[11:27] <vinsee> swilry: sure. get ubuntu :p
[11:27] <dryad> zyga: The symlink /usr/share/gnome-background-properties/gnome-wallpaper-properties
[11:27] <swilry> thanks ;)
[11:27] <vinsee> yes
[11:27] <Elsidox> ok ill give it a try
[11:27] <Elsidox> brb
[11:27] <apokryphos> swilry: if it's KDE-related, it should be in there. If it isn't, then this is a better place.
[11:27] <vinsee> elsidox: set it to 1280x1024, but make sure you back up your xorg.conf
[11:28] <dryad> zyga: It was a symlink to /usr/share/gnome-wallpaper-properties, which does not exist
[11:28] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks
[11:28] <mackid> i wish i had a monitor for my PC that could support 1280x1024...
[11:28] <vinsee> hey does nayone if gnome is more efficient than kde
[11:28] <vinsee> in terms of memory
[11:28] <mackid> vinsee, it is
[11:28] <vinsee> ok
[11:28] <swilry> it's kde related, but I don't see any #kubuntu channel...
[11:28] <vinsee> some dude said they're about the same
[11:28] <Xappe> nuge, well, my ibook with ext3 totally crashed a couple of days ago, probably caused by a rough train ride :/
[11:28] <dabugas> i've been sort of updating to hoary from wary and the desktop (nautilus) has stopped showing up my windows drive. i can access it through the terminal and it's in fstab. any ideas?
[11:28] <gdh> I feel that GNOME is slower - no measurements, just my opinion
[11:28] <apokryphos> swilry: it's there. :)
[11:28] <mackid> swilry: /join #kubuntu
[11:29] <dabugas> vinsee: it always depends on what you use
[11:29] <jessica_> I'm running hoary and have openoffice.org and openoffice.org-gtk-gnome installed, but still no gnome-like open and save menus in openoffice.org. I did dpkg-reconfigure on both packages without success. How to get the nice gnome menus?
[11:29] <swilry> justy a misspell sorry :(
[11:29] <nuge> xappe, sucks man, sorry to hear about that. but do you think a different filesystem would have made a difference?
[11:29] <swilry> /bye
[11:29] <Xappe> nuge, i don't know
[11:29] <nuge> xappe, so it's unrecoverable?
[11:29] <Xappe> nuge, i was able to repair the damage with fsck though
[11:29] <nuge> ah ok
[11:30] <Xappe> it suddenly became unbootable
[11:30] <vinsee> how much more memory does kde
[11:30] <vinsee> take up
[11:30] <vinsee> compared to gnome
[11:30] <dabugas> vinsee: in my tests (ubuntu vs knoppix installed) kde _feels_ faster but generally takes up more resources
[11:30] <vinsee> ah
[11:30] <veristead> hey can i get some help in here
[11:30] <Elsidox> ahhhh good ol' 1280x1024 =)
[11:30] <gdh> dabugas: I think I'd rather have that :) RAM cheaper than CPU :)
[11:30] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks again. Its workign great. =)
[11:30] <dabugas> vinsee: how much do you have?
[11:31] <vinsee> 512mb
[11:31] <veristead> anyone ?
[11:31] <vinsee> no prob elsidox
[11:31] <mackid> veristead, just ask a question
[11:31] <Elsidox> I just switch from ubuntu to foresight linux back to ubuntu
[11:31] <vinsee> foresight?
[11:31] <vinsee> never heard of that one
[11:31] <vinsee> there's just way too many to keep track of :)
[11:32] <mackid> me neither.  hmm  foresight.  interestin name for a linux distro
[11:32] <|QuaD-> vinsee: decent distro.... had lots of bleeding edge things built in
[11:32] <dabugas> gdh: i've been away from the linux world for some time. knoppix installed vs ubuntu; i take the later
[11:32] <Elsidox> vinsee, http://www.foresightlinux.com/
[11:32] <shekhar_> is there anyone who can help me with a synaptic installation which stopped while the packages were installed?
[11:32] <universal> can someone help me with hoary and Nvidia drivers?
[11:32] <mackid> universal, i might be able to help
[11:32] <dabugas> i have a silly amd at 400-something and gnome works better overall than kde
[11:32] <dabugas> but not a fan of either, to be honest
[11:32] <|QuaD-> universal: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:32] <gdh> dabugas: KNOPPIX is a gaudy piece of shit =)
[11:32] <vinsee> universal: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:32] <vinsee> haha
[11:32] <universal> ok, thx
[11:32] <vinsee> beat me to it :)
[11:32] <|QuaD-> vinsee: :)
[11:32] <gdh> It doesn't take much to make KDE look really really tacky
[11:32] <eYeStRaIn> im going to try knoppix, ubuntu is giving me problem installing it on my laptop
[11:32] <Elsidox> vinsee, the distro ram slow but I had f-stop and all the other good stuff. =)
[11:33] <mackid> universal: yeah, but try www.ubuntuguide.org first ;)
[11:33] <Elsidox> ran*
[11:33] <mhz> ping bur[n] er
[11:33] <Elsidox> vinsee, sorry for my typing. lol
[11:33] <vinsee> icic
[11:33] <Elsidox> anyways
[11:33] <mhz> bur[n] er: ping :)
[11:33] <vinsee> hey no prob =p
[11:33] <dabugas> gdh: both kde & gnome are bloated shit... what you use really depends on preference
[11:33] <Elsidox> how hard is it to install beagle?
[11:33] <vinsee> anybody here taking (or has taken) an algorithms course?
[11:33] <dabugas> i was running dvd shrink with wine the other day and it ran better than win xp
[11:33] <veristead> everytime i launch Network Settings (Worty) i punch in my password and then i get a message saying "The Configuration Could not be loaded, There was an error running the backend script"  What do i do to fix this
[11:33] <Seveas> vinsee, i have taken several
[11:34] <dabugas> in gnome... that's what i'm interested in :)
[11:34] <gdh> dabugas: Yeh, but A vs. B wars are a fun way to waste time =)
[11:34] <Seveas> Elsidox, hard, wait for breezy
[11:34] <veristead> it happens on a couple of utilities
[11:34] <vinsee> seveas: did you like it ? :P
[11:34] <Seveas> vinsee, a lot
[11:34] <mhz> bur[n] er: "Ubuntu's default installation of CUPS only listens for local IPP connections. At the present time you have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to make it available to other machines on your LAN. There are two things that must be changed:
[11:34] <vinsee> ok
[11:34] <mhz>    1.
[11:34] <mhz>       A line that has Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:631 can be replaced by Port 631 to listen on all network interfaces, or, if you have a more complex setup and don't want to listen on all interfaces,you can add additional Listen lines for each IP address that you want it to hear.
[11:34] <mhz>    2.
[11:34] <mhz>       There's a group of lines that further limit what listened-to traffic will be processed. By default it only allows internal loopback (that's the <IP_ADDRESS> address). You can add individual IP addresses in addition Allow lines, or whole blocks such as a typical router's internal network with 192.168.1.*. With the latter added, the block looks like ..."
[11:34] <Seveas> mhz, no pasting please
[11:34] <mackid> eck, flood
[11:34] <veristead> in my system configuration menu
[11:34] <dabugas> gdh: like i said: i've been away for some time. that was part of the reason... waiting for the dust to clear up :)
[11:34] <Elsidox> Seveas, isnt breezy far away thow?
[11:34] <Seveas> use #flood or a pastebin
[11:34] <Seveas> breezy is 6 months away
[11:34] <mhz> Seveas: ok, sorry.
[11:34] <vinsee> im trying to decide whether to take a course on user interface
[11:34] <vinsee> s
[11:34] <vinsee> or efficient algorithms
[11:34] <mackid> hey, is there a guide somewhere on getting Wine or WineX to work (and what's the difference)
[11:34] <Seveas> do the latter
[11:35] <veristead> anyone?
[11:35] <mhz> Seveas: urls are ok ?
[11:35] <vinsee> really? ok :P
[11:35] <Seveas> mhz, sure :)
[11:35] <voltagex> I've successfully killed X and I have no idea how.
[11:35] <mhz> ok
[11:35] <veristead> ANYONE?
[11:35] <Elsidox> mackid, winex is now cedega and cedega runs windows games.
[11:35] <mackid> Elsidox, and it's not free, correct?
[11:35] <mackid> U$D 5/mo or something?
[11:36] <universal> mackid, can u help?=
[11:36] <mjr> it's proprietary, yes
[11:36] <dabugas> so can anyone help me with my disappeared desktop icon?
[11:36] <vinsee> well
[11:36] <veristead> this channel has never actually solved any of my questions completely
[11:36] <vinsee> not if you get the CVS
[11:36] <Ubabe> hey people, say if I wanted to download an application that isnt in the synaptic package manager...
[11:36] <gdh> It's on eMule if you desperately want to save 5 bucks :|
[11:36] <veristead> so i dnt even know why i am bothering now
[11:36] <mhz> bur[n] er: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OldFrequentlyAskedQuestions and go to "How can I share my printer on my LAN?"
[11:36] <Ubabe> ...say just any ordinary application
[11:36] <jessica_> how to make openoffice.org use the gnome-save and -open dialogs? I have openoffice.org-gtk-gnome installed on warty, but it doesn't work
[11:36] <veristead> i've been trying for almost 3 months to get this working
[11:36] <Xappe> hmm, how do I get mounted volumes to show up at least in the Places menu (they showed suddenly some minutes ago, but not regularly, so to say)
[11:37] <vinsee> seveas: the book is 4 inches thick
[11:37] <universal> mackid, u there=
[11:37] <mackid> universal, maybe.. what's your problem?  did you do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[11:37] <universal> ?
[11:37] <vinsee> literally
[11:37] <dabugas> ah.. Xappe... we have the same problem :)
[11:37] <universal> mackid, yeah i did that, normally im running Warty, but now i tryed Hoary, and then my nvidia doesent work
[11:38] <Xappe> dabugas: ah, I see. haven't really thought about it, but it came to my mind when they suddenly showed up...
[11:38] <gipfex_> hi!
[11:38] <Ubabe> do i have to reboot after i do apt-get update?
[11:38] <mackid> universal: uname -r
[11:38] <universal> mackid, 2.6.10-5-386
[11:38] <mackid> my nvidia worked perfectly fine after installing nvidia-glx from apt
[11:38] <conner> Ubabe: only if you updated the kernel.
[11:39] <gipfex_> i want upgrade ubuntu warty to hoary...but the apt dont upgrade and i changed the sources.list...
[11:39] <mackid> universal, it should work.  check your xorg.conf, make sure nvidia is the driver
[11:39] <universal> mackid,glxgears
[11:39] <universal> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:39] <universal> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[11:39] <universal> root@Universal:/home/universal #
[11:39] <dabugas> Xappe: i partially upgraded from warty to hoary; that's when it stopped showing up: on the desktop on places, everywhere
[11:39] <mackid> gipfex_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:39] <mackid> universal: so X will run?
[11:39] <universal> mackid, yes
[11:39] <maxchee> is there an easy way to make custom meta-packages?
[11:39] <gipfex_> mackid: do the same...
[11:40] <dabugas> Xappe: i'm installing the latest nautilus just in case
[11:40] <phisius> yop
[11:40] <mackid> universal, go to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add under modules Load "glx"
[11:40] <universal> mackid, im not going to run nv instead of Nvidia?
[11:40] <mackid> universal, you shouldn't have to, if your xorg.conf is set up correctly
[11:40] <Xappe> dabugas: i've never used warty. upgraded to hoary right away in november, and now i have a fresh install from array 7
[11:41] <mackid> universal: i have to go.  I will be back in 30-45 minutes, if you are still having a problem i will help you then
[11:41] <Roey> Hi.  In booting Ubuntu I get this:  Kernel panic - not syncing: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0).  How can I fix it?
[11:41] <Xappe> dabugas, fresh and daily updated that is
[11:41] <universal> mackid, ok i will do that, but is it normal that there is a XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11/xorg??
[11:42] <mackid> universal: no, that's not normal, if you're running hoary...
[11:42] <mackid> someone else should be able to help.  i'll be back later.
[11:42] <smurfix> universal: did you upgrade from warty?
[11:42] <universal> mackid, no!
[11:42] <universal> no
[11:42] <universal> isnt that wierd?
[11:43] <SiRrUs> i did ;)
[11:43] <smurfix> universal: weird even ;-)
[11:43] <geneo91> universal:  mine has it also
[11:43] <smurfix> universal: Does "dpkg -S /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" say anything?
[11:44] <geneo91> just got left there from warty
[11:44] <universal> smurfix, nope
[11:44] <bur[n] er> anyone know where to get drivers for an hp psc 1209 printer?
[11:44] <smurfix> geneo91: he didn't have warty ...
[11:44] <magnusly> I resized an NTFS partition (WinXP) while installing the 5.04 preview and was left with an unbootable partition.
[11:45] <drasko_> how to erase rw cd? In Graveman and in K3B that apperation alway fails...
[11:45] <black_nightmare> hey there
[11:45] <smurfix> drasko_: cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/cdrom
[11:45] <geneo91> smurfix:  maybe its something that depends on that file being there
[11:45] <magnusly> I can mount it from Linux, but ls -R gives I/O error on some directories. Any tips?
[11:45] <black_nightmare> any of you used the fast! qemu thats on ubuntu repositories?
[11:46] <tritium> black_nightmare, yes
[11:46] <black_nightmare> tritium what yours emulating now?
[11:46] <smurfix> magnusly: restore from backup :-/
[11:46] <tritium> black_nightmare, nothing now
[11:46] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er you may have to settle for a 1210
[11:46] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: i tried that, but it doesn't seem to work
[11:47] <black_nightmare> oh hm
[11:47] <tritium> black_nightmare, you?
[11:47] <black_nightmare> and I was wondering if it was worth trying..hmmm.....
[11:47] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er i see
[11:47] <drasko_> smurfix, it gives me: Error trying to open /dev/cdrom exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.... and so on...
[11:47] <black_nightmare> guess I'll hell download it and see if it works out well
[11:47] <InitMass> is there any app that can change the size of several images at a time in ubuntu?
[11:47] <tritium> black_nightmare, I was using it to test LiveCDs
[11:47] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: i'm thinking i might be SOL :\  this was my last resort to ask in irc ;)
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> is there a way dpkg or apt can verify files installed on the system from a package? ie. md5 or something?
[11:48] <black_nightmare> oh... tritium in that case....didn't have any difficult running still?
[11:48] <tritium> black_nightmare, I ran into problems when X tried to load
[11:48] <SiRrUs> :)
[11:48] <jaslor_MHz> how do I compile a small app ?
[11:49] <smurfix> drasko_: unmount the CD first!
[11:49] <black_nightmare> ic tritium
[11:49] <tritium> What's up SiRrUs? :)
[11:49] <Seveas> jaslor_MHz, depends on the app
[11:50] <smurfix> drasko_: Apparently the erase features in your favorite programs don't do that. Please file bugs. It works in Nautilus.
[11:50] <Seveas> usually you need to do the ./configure make make install dance
[11:50] <mhz> Seveas: hmmm, i am not jaslor_MHz , i am mhz
[11:50] <Seveas> mhz, did i call you?
[11:51] <universal> smurfix, should the module be nv or nvidia?
[11:51] <mhz> I got a beep and a graphic sign
[11:51] <Seveas> mhz, not from me
[11:51] <drasko_> smurfix, wow! That did it! Thanks!
[11:51] <mhz> Seveas: ah, np :)
[11:51] <smurfix> universal: I don't know, I don't have an nvidia card
[11:51] <dampjam> I'm trying to install libdvdcss, but synaptic cannot find it, and when I run apt-get install libdvdcss2 it says that there is no installation canidate
[11:51] <tritium> universal, what are you trying to do?
[11:51] <jaslor_MHz> universal : module is nvidia
[11:52] <Seveas> dampjam: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main (use testing main for Warty)
[11:52] <Seveas> use that archive
[11:52] <dampjam> i'm running hoary
[11:52] <SiRrUs> universal mine is nv
[11:53] <jaslor_MHz> anyone want to help confuse me by telling me how to compile something ?
[11:53] <SiRrUs> jaslor_MHz :)
[11:53] <tritium> SiRrUs, you're not using the nVidia modules instead?
[11:53] <Seveas> jaslor_MHz, i thought you were cunfused enough already :)
[11:53] <Seveas> which program is it?
[11:54] <SiRrUs> tritium appears i am and everything is working
[11:54] <tritium> I use them
[11:54] <jaslor_MHz> capture for operating a canon powershot
[11:55] <PecK> hello all
[11:55] <Seveas> hi
[11:55] <SiRrUs> hello
[11:56] <DavidSag> hello
[11:56] <SiRrUs> hi
[11:56] <fireglow> hey
[11:56] <Seveas> buon giorno
[11:56] <DavidSag> may i ask a novice question ?
[11:56] <oris_wolfbane> hey room
[11:56] <Seveas> DavidSag, sure
[11:56] <PecK> ok now I can't seem to install rpm's with ubuntu... *.deb is fine with dpkg, but it doesn't work with rpm and double clicking doesn't work either... help?
[11:57] <jaslor_MHz> hello
[11:57] <phanter> Peck
[11:57] <PecK> phanter
[11:57] <phanter> PecK: use alien
[11:57] <Seveas> peck, you might try running alien on the rpm
[11:57] <Seveas> that will give you a deb
[11:57] <DavidSag> i've installed Ubunto few days ago, however, i can't seem to work my ethernet card..
[11:57] <Seveas> but a better way is searching for an available deb
[11:57] <Seveas> which application is it?
[11:57] <PecK> phanter and Seveas thx :)
[11:57] <PecK> it's apradar
[11:57] <PecK> wifi ap scanner and connection manager
[11:57] <ells> tritium:hey Mike what is up
[11:58] <tritium> Hi ells :)
[11:58] <smurfix> DavidSag: so which card do you have?
[11:58] <tritium> Not much going on here.  You visiting with father and brother?
[11:58] <jaslor_MHz> DavidSag : What card is it ? What does $ ifconfig /eth0 say ?
[11:58] <Seveas> DavidSag, describr "cant seem to work"
[11:58] <Seveas> ifconfig eth0 that is
[11:58] <ells> tritium: got a question? how can I check how much mem is on my onboard video. yeap, just picked up my brother from denver
[11:58] <Seveas> no /
[11:58] <DavidSag> it's a realtek, a very generic card..
[11:58] <PecK> phanter, should I type alien -ri pack.rpm ?
[11:58] <Seveas> DavidSag, that should work
[11:59] <smurfix> DavidSag: Does it show with "lspci"?
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[11:59] <Seveas> spamming idiots
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[11:59] <beaniebaby> hey ya'll
[11:59] <oris_wolfbane> beaniebaby, heyz
[11:59] <tritium> ells, not sure, actually
[11:59] <beaniebaby> hi tom
[11:59] <Aghaster> hi
[11:59] <PecK> hey
[11:59] <Seveas> DavidSag, does ifconfig eth0 say anything?
[11:59] <ells> tritium: just curious to see if it will support ut2004 somehow
[12:00] <jaslor_MHz> DavidSag : Can you ping google.com ?


[02:07] <mh> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with wifi card Broadcom Limited Device [14e4:43c3] (rev 04)  and need some advice on installing driver
[02:10] <mh> the wifi doesnt work & does not show in ifconfig but is visiable when I use lspci -nn
[03:17] <valorie> !broadcom
[03:17] <valorie> mh^^^^
[06:17] <gammamaxx> anybody on?
[06:17] <gammamaxx> new to irc just checking out anything i can find
[06:39] <jm_> ...
[06:40] <jm_> what this?
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:52] <OOPMan> Hey all
[10:52] <OOPMan> I upgraded to 17.10 from 17.04 and it seems like all my fonts are being rendered larger than before
[10:53] <OOPMan> I check my Font settings and the Scale Display section and it seems like nothing there has changed tho
[10:53] <OOPMan> Anyone else experienced this?
[11:19] <hateball> OOPMan: in what apps?
[11:19] <hateball> Qt, GTK, web?
[11:30] <aiena> Suppose I want to add a language for a keyboard but not change the whole system language e.g. keep everything english but add German as a layout for typing a bit of German is it possible?
[11:30] <aiena> *English
[11:33] <aiena> hmm found it thanks.
[11:35] <OOPMan> hateball: Qt mostly
[11:36] <hateball> OOPMan: Sorry I dont really have any idea :(
[11:36] <hateball> I run default pretty much everything, and I have had no issues upgrading
[11:36] <hateball> I've changed look&feel to breeze black, that's it. no manual theme tweaks etc
[12:31] <Shibe> what plans does kubuntu team have for 18.04?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:03] <johnathon> h