[12:11] <Xal2> Wow, squashfs must really do a great job at compressing everything.
[12:11] <Hydra> ltmon, they all work with DMRAID, It's already known working, just support needs to be added to the INSTALLER ;)
[12:12] <Hydra> e.g. so we don't have to do all this nonsense that takes ages
[12:12] <Hydra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[12:12] <yacoob> is kubuntu going to be released together with ubuntu?
[12:12] <yacoob> edgy, I mean?
[12:12] <ltmon> Hydra: ah ok
[12:13] <ltmon> Hydra: it's just simple softwair raid then, or does it actually link up to the nvidia bios support in any way?
[12:13] <david_edmundson> yacoob: yeah, that's happened so far with each release
[12:13] <Hydra> it doesn't use the bios afaik
[12:13] <yacoob> david_edmundson, good ;> So, next week we should have kubuntu edgy?
[12:13] <david_edmundson> if all's on time
[12:14] <david_edmundson> nvidia driver appears to have broke recently though
[12:14] <yacoob> unless sky falls on our heads, yes ;>
[12:14] <test_> i am trying to save the grub menu.lst but i dont have write access. how do i save it as root?
[12:14] <david_edmundson> test_: save it as a different name where you do have access then move it as root
[12:16] <snottlebocket> hey guys
[12:16] <Hydra> david_edmundson, should i really be chatting to the ubuntu guys about fakeraid support btw?
[12:17] <david_edmundson> possibly, it's a bit busier
[12:17] <david_edmundson> and it's desktop independant
[12:17] <ltmon> Hydra: you should probably file a feature request for the next release... doubtful any such major change will go into edgy
[12:17] <Hydra> ltmon, 1 sec...
[12:17] <test_> david_edmundson: how do i login as root and move it?
[12:17] <Hydra> hahaha
[12:17] <Hydra> lol
[12:17] <Hydra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidSpec
[12:17] <Hydra> someone filed one in JANUARY!
[12:19] <ltmon> Hydra: it's not on the discussion list for the next distro meeting (https://features.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv/) although I'm not sure how to get it there
[12:19] <test_> how do i move a file?
[12:19] <shadowhywind> how can i extract a 7z (7zip) file?
[12:19] <Hydra> hmm
[12:19] <Hydra> let me check that out
[12:19] <brainless> test_: mv <file> <destination>
[12:19] <brainless> (in a shell, that is)
[12:19] <david_edmundson> with the word sudo in front
[12:19] <david_edmundson> brainless: can you take over, I'm off to bed.
[12:20] <david_edmundson> night all!
[12:20] <brainless> sorry, I just popped in ;) sure
[12:20] <Hydra> i'd go to that meeting if i lived in the states
[12:20] <brainless> just give me a moment to read the original question...
[12:20] <Hydra> they need poking in the right direction
[12:21] <ltmon> test_: obligitary caution: modifying the grub menu.lst may leave your installation a bit broken (but recoverable usually).... be careful ;)
[12:21] <Hydra> i wonder how many people have tried ubuntu or kubunutu and just given up because it wouldn't detect their hard drives correctly..
[12:22] <test_> how do i kill job 1
[12:22] <Hydra> btw, it's the same situation with windows vista and nforce3 and nforce4, but in that case it's nvidia that have to write drivers rather than some random person required to update the installer in this case
[12:22] <ltmon> test_: that sounds dangerous
[12:22] <test_> lol
[12:22] <brainless> Hydra: I'm fighting the desktop-CD-installer atm and if I hadn't used other distros before I'd already given up...
[12:22] <ltmon> test_: but.... "sudo kill 1"
[12:22] <test_> oo
[12:22] <test_> :D
[12:22] <test_> ltmon: its still in jobs
[12:23] <Tarantulafudge> Is there a sensor monitor for kde? I can't find ksensors in the repository
[12:23] <test_> sudo isnt necessary im logged in as root
[12:23] <ltmon> test_: try "kill -9 1"
[12:23] <david_edmundson> Tarantulafudge: look into lmsensores
[12:23] <david_edmundson> *lmsensors
[12:23] <ltmon> test_: i'll know it works if you go offline ;)
[12:23] <Hydra> well my download of edgy eft 6.10 rc5 is 80% now
[12:23] <test_> omfg
[12:23] <Tarantulafudge> david_edmundson: I know about lm_sensors but ksensors was supposed to be a gui for that
[12:23] <Hydra> so I'm gonna try it on my nforce3 box shortly
[12:23] <david_edmundson> it's a gui frontend
[12:24] <david_edmundson> it still requires all of lm_sensors working, it just takes the results and makes a pretty graph out of it
[12:24] <Hydra> all i wanna do is do some cross-compiling to get openwrt installed on my ar7 based router...
[12:24] <melhisedek> when is Edgy stated for release?
[12:24] <Hydra> *sigh*
[12:24] <OOD> melhisedek: oct 26
[12:24] <Hydra> i'm sure i should just go out and buy a new router instead of going to all this trouble...
[12:25] <TheGateKeeper> !schedule
[12:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[12:25] <Hydra> wait no!  that's not the right attitutde
[12:25] <TheGateKeeper> melhisedek: ^^^^
[12:25] <melhisedek> thx folks
[12:25] <TheGateKeeper> np :-)
[12:25] <Hydra> still, time is money and if i was working for 20 and hour sorting out new firmware on my existing router would cost me about 200
[12:25] <Hydra> and i know i can get a nice router for that much ;)
[12:26] <danny> can anyone help me with an Xorg problem?
[12:26] <danny> i've just upgraded to edgy, but I think there is a version mismatch with the display driver
[12:26] <ltmon> danny: which driver?
[12:26] <danny> "trident"
[12:26] <danny> "vga" and "dummy" also don't work
[12:27] <david_edmundson> danny what do the xorg logs say
[12:27] <david_edmundson> (tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:27] <ltmon> danny: not much experience with those myself :(
[12:28] <david_edmundson>  /may/ need root
[12:29] <danny> module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[12:29] <danny> it says the display driver is compiled for 6.99
[12:29] <danny> obviously edgy is 7.1
[12:29] <david_edmundson> that's the problem then, the module ABI majoy doesn't match the server version! -obviosuly
[12:29] <david_edmundson> and with that I really am off to bed.
[12:30] <danny> sure, but these drivers are from the edgy repo
[12:33] <Rakzor> Heh, Hello, anyone know how long it should take to install kubuntu on a 40Gb hdd?
[12:34] <marc_> Rak...maybe 30 - 40 minutes.....not including the Updates after the install.
[12:35] <marc_> opps..That's for Ubuntu....not sure about Kubuntu...
[12:36] <Rakzor> It won't be the same?
[12:36] <marc_> COuld be...I don;t know...is what I'm saying.
[12:36] <Rakzor> Ah
[12:36] <jende_> Rakzor: what are you trying to do?
[12:37] <Rakzor> Trying to install Kubuntu 6.01.6 on a 40Gb hard drive.
[12:37] <jende_> Rakzor: so whats the prob?
[12:37] <Rakzor> No prob, just it's been a while and I don't know if it normally takes this long or if somethin went wrong.
[12:37] <cellofellow> Rakzor: you sure you got that version number right?
[12:38] <Rakzor> No, but it's 6. somethin.
[12:38] <jende_> cellofellow: wouldn't say so
[12:38] <jende_> Rakzor: it sure can take quite a while depending whether you're out of the box connected to the internet, i.e.
[12:38] <cellofellow> Rakzor: just say Dapper Drake or dapper, easier than 6.06.1
[12:39] <Rakzor> Ah, ok.
[12:39] <danny> ok, i've fixed the problem by removing xserver-xorg-driver-trident and installing xserver-xorg-video-trident
[12:40] <ltmon> danny: looks like they changed the package names for edgy... a dirty trick :(
[12:40] <jende_> Rakzor: if you got connected to the net a lot of updates and upgrades will be installed and that'll take some time...so no worries
[12:40] <Rakzor> Oh ok
[12:40] <Rakzor> Thanks =)
[12:41] <jende_> Rakzor: so thats your first linux/Kubuntu Box?
[12:41] <Rakzor> Yeah, I've tried live cd's before, but this is the first time of installing anything.
[12:41] <danny> ltmon: sure is :)
[12:42] <danny> anyway, thanks and goodnight
[12:42] <jende_> Rakzor: everything should be fine...do you need anythng special such as the ability to play mp3's?
[12:42] <Rakzor> That'd be nice, but I'm not sure how.
[12:43] <Rakzor> And can Kubuntu play .wav?
[12:43] <jende_> Rakzor: I'll be around for at leats another hour...are you a registered user?
[12:43] <Rakzor> No
[12:44] <jende_> Rakzor: okay, so I'll check more often then to see if I can guide you to get the lil specials installed.
[12:44] <jende_> Rakzor: look thats all we can
[12:44] <jende_> !wav
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <jende_> !mp3
[12:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:44] <ltmon> jende_: here's a url describing some of the issues... in short it's not very hard to get mp3s and wmv etc. etc .working properly: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[12:44] <Rakzor> Oo thanks
[12:45] <jende_> ltmon: I know all these howtos...but thanks anyway
[12:45] <jende_> ltmon: what about a simple apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:45] <jende_> ltmon: sure...having universe multiverse enabled
[12:45] <ltmon> jende_: should be fine for most thinks
[12:46] <ltmon> jende_: most *things
[12:46] <jende_> ltmon: I'm not kinda that new to linux...;-) thats why offered my hekp to Rakzor
[12:46] <jende_> ltmon: I'm not kinda that new to linux...;-) thats why offered my help to Rakzor
[12:46] <ltmon> jende_: i htink i got cofused between the two of you :)
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: s'ok
[12:47] <brainless> anyways, I'm off for tonight ... bye
[12:47] <jende_> ltmon: *ggg* you can get easily confused on IRC's
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: forgot who asked the question in the first place :}
[12:47] <jende_> ltmon: are you on edgy?
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: yep
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: since yesterday
[12:48] <jende_> ltmon: isn't it a beauty...hmmm...
[12:48] <jende_> ltmon: I'm on edgy now since almost 2wks and its just...yummie
[12:48] <ltmon> jende_: yeah... suspend and resume is working much quicker, and I could remove my sound hacks and still have a working volume control :)
[12:48] <Rakzor> Um, is it bad if Kubuntu failed to make a swap space, or can I just use ram?
[12:48] <jende_> ltmon: and it boots much quicker
[12:49] <ltmon> jende_: i've only booted it once :)
[12:49] <ltmon> jende_: suspend is rock solid for me now... i don't need to power off
[12:49] <jende_> Rakzor: well Kubuntu should have a swap partition, which should be twice as big as your RAM is
[12:50] <Rakzor> Jende: What if it failes, can I still install?
[12:50] <jende_> ltmon: don't know where you live but power here is damn expensive, so I power off all machines at nightt
[12:51] <ltmon> jende_: mine just stays on battery (recharge at work).... but the amount of power it draws if fairly small anyway.  I live in Melbourne, AU.... i think power is cheap compared to most of the rest of the world
[12:51] <jende_> Rakzor: puuuuh...good question...as yet I hadn't had to try to install without a swap. How come that you don'####t have a swap partition?
[12:51] <jende_> ltmon: i Used to live in canowindra, 2804 NSW
[12:52] <Rakzor> jende_: Well it says it was making one but then it failed.
[12:52] <jende_> Rakzor: it failed? really? remember the exact output?
[12:53] <Rakzor> jende_: No, it just said it failed to make a swap, and on the install window it says "partition #5 of /dev/hda as swap"
[12:53] <ltmon> Rakzor: I'm pretty sure it will still boot, but crash hard if you fill your RAM...
[12:53] <Rakzor> And "partition #1 of /dev/hda as ext3"
[12:54] <jende_> Rakzor: weird, but it should work
[12:54] <Rakzor> jende_: thanks.
[12:55] <jende_> ltmon: power is in aussie much cheaper than it is here in Germany
[12:55] <jende_> ltmon: wanna go back ...to Aussie I loved it
[12:55] <ltmon> jende_: ah ok... so's petrol... i guess we don't know our luck most of the time :)
[12:55] <ltmon> jende_: although water here is getting a bit scarse, so maybe not
[12:56] <jende_> ltmon: damn petrol in Aussie was 4times cheaper/ltr
[12:56] <jende_> ltmon: we were ath time being there on water restrictions...tough but okay
[12:56] <ltmon> jende_: petrol is ~ $1:30 per litre now... approx 1 euro
[12:57] <jende_> ltmon: 100Euros = 160 AUS$
[12:58] <ltmon> jende_: exchange rate sucks here also :)
[12:58] <jende_> ltmon: we are going to be on 1.5Euros
[12:58] <jende_> unleaded 95
[12:58] <ltmon> jende_: what about diesel? EU has lots of better diesel cars than we get...
[12:58] <jende_> unleaded 97 is almost on 1,8Euros
[12:59] <jende_> ltmon: diesel is about 1.42/ltr
[12:59] <ltmon> jende_: what hardware are you running edgy on
[01:00] <jende_> ltmon: a HP Kayak PIII-550 with 512megs and a AMD Sempron3000
[01:01] <ltmon> jende_: that a laptop or desktop?
[01:01] <jende_> ltmon: with 512 megs <-thats my Notebook,
[01:01] <jende_> the sempron is my NB
[01:02] <jende_> ltmon: another is on Debian etch, also a HP Kayak
[01:02] <amayera> hi
[01:02] <jende_> ltmon: what are you doi ng for a living in Mel?
[01:02] <amayera> anybody here using edgy eft?
[01:02] <jende_> amayera: howdy
[01:03] <amayera> can anybody try to register a jabber account with kopete?
[01:03] <jende_> amayera: sure...
[01:03] <amayera> here it doesn't work.
[01:03] <ltmon> jende_: software engineer with a web dev company
[01:03] <jende_> amayera: nope, I don't like jabber
[01:03] <ltmon> amayera: i've got a google talk account registered
[01:03] <amayera> oh, I got the problem.
[01:03] <ltmon> jende_: what about yourself
[01:03] <jende_> ltmon: nice...send me carton melbourne bitter
[01:03] <amayera> the jabber id is not only the thing in front of the @ but also the thing thereafter :D
[01:04] <ltmon> jende_: :P you come from the country with the best beer in the world and you want *that*
[01:04] <jende_> jende_: selfemployed ... I do the administration of some Networks, basically Linux(Debian) Servers
[01:05] <jende_> ltmon: I do miss it...especially a cooooooooool schooner of tooheys, off the tab
[01:05] <ltmon> jende_: damn... i guess you did live in NSW (worst... beer... ever)
[01:06] <jende_> ltmon: just waiting for a nice offer in Aussie and I'll be gone
[01:06] <ltmon> jende_: cascade lager and coopers are the best you can get in AU
[01:06] <ltmon> jende_: it's a good job market here in Melbourne and also in Perth right now.... plenty on offer but most places will require a face to face interview
[01:06] <cryptonic> Im having issues with the nvidia driver, how do i revert back to the default kubuntu one?
[01:06] <jende_> ltmon: well, cascade is indeed...yumm,yumm, yummie...but yep you were right hard to get in villages like canowindra
[01:07] <jende_> ltmon: I wouldn't mind jumping on a plane for a lil holiday, though...but I have to finish first that one one project I'm working on
[01:08] <jende_> ltmon: canowindra is close o Dubbo or Orange
[01:08] <jende_> ltmon: canowindra is close to Dubbo or Orange
[01:08] <rockz> do anyone use mandvd ?
[01:08] <jende_> ltmon: and they would take immigrants?
[01:10] <ltmon> jende_: yes and no... they have to be sure you'll be able to stay for a reasonable period (and not be kicked out by the Government)... so you need a working visa at very least
[01:11] <jende_> ltmon: but the working visa you'll get once the company would kinda like apply for it, too...not really as a sponsor, but sort of. Is vanstone still the head of the DIMIA?
[01:12] <ltmon> jende_: yep
[01:12] <jende_> ltmon: do you like her?
[01:12] <ltmon> jende_: bit of a chicken and egg problem with the visa i think
[01:12] <ltmon> jende_: not much of a fan of the current government full stop
[01:12] <jende_> ltmon: I know that just to good...it took us ages to get my working visa for 2yrs
[01:13] <jende_> ltmon: lots of paperwork and stuff
[01:13] <Un4givn1> wine for kde, where 2 find?
[01:13] <jende_> !wine
[01:13] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:14] <Un4givn1> thanx
[01:15] <jende_> ltmon: it was funny though cause the probs haven't been caused by me, it was mor the fact that my employer did farming
[01:15] <ltmon> jende_: i thought that farming was an easy way to get in the country... because we don't have enough farm workers here
[01:16] <ltmon> jende_: maybe i'm wrong
[01:16] <jende_> ltmon: no, basically you're right, but they couldn't understand that even farmers might need someone who knows IT, esp Linux
[01:17] <ltmon> jende_: oh right :) what did the farmer need from an IT person?
[01:18] <jende_> ltmon: well it was like a huge farm for that area and they did olives, crops,wine and sheep...and especially for the winery if you're like that big as they were/re you'll need IT-geeks
[01:18] <jende_> ltmon: well it was like a huge farm for that area and they did olives, crops,wine and sheep...and especially for the winery if you're like that big as they were/are you'll need IT-geeks
[01:19] <romeo_> i want to install flash 9 but i dont know how to install tarballs
[01:19] <ltmon> jende_: oh right
[01:19] <romeo_> help
[01:19] <swilly> has anyone else had trouble getting amarok to play .wav files?
[01:19] <jende_> ltmon: at the end of the day I did farmwork and my IT-stuff
[01:19] <Xal2> I'm getting this error with the following command: make kpkg-clean
[01:19] <jende_> romeo_: help?what for?
[01:19] <Xal2> make: *** No rule to make target `kpkg-clean'.  Stop.
[01:20] <romeo_> instlaing flash player 9
[01:20] <ltmon> romeo_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279990
[01:20] <jende_> !flahplayer
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flahplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:20] <jende_> !flashplayer
[01:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:20] <ltmon> jende_: he was looking for flash 9.... not in the RestrictedFormats page yet
[01:20] <jmichaelx>  if anyone in here has been able to get yahoo videos to work in kubuntu edgy w/flash9 beta, let me know how you did it. i can't seem to make it work...
[01:20] <jende_> ltmon: errr...you're right
[01:21] <jmichaelx> !flash9
[01:21] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[01:21] <romeo_> i don t have multiplayer issues i don t know how to install tar gzs
[01:21] <otaku-san> romeo_: I'll try to walk you thru it
[01:21] <ltmon> romeo_: i think the link from ubotu will be a normal deb package, or the manual method is in the link i gave you
[01:22] <romeo_> ok
[01:22] <otaku-san> romeo_: your going to have compile it
[01:23] <romeo_> alright give me a second ok i m going to go look at the link i was given
[01:23] <ltmon> otaku-san: it's a binary... there's no compilation for flash 8
[01:23] <ltmon> otaku-san: it's a binary... there's no compilation for flash *9
[01:24] <intelikey> "romeo romeo, who for art thou romeo?"   --bill snakesphere
[01:24] <campbch> *boom*
[01:24] <campbch> - The Demented Cartoon Movie
[01:25] <jende_> ltmon: all romeo has to do, once he added the 2 lines given at the ubotu site to the sources.list, is a apt-get update
[01:25] <ltmon> jende_: i didn't realise a repository existed :) but he definately doesn't have to compile (I wish I *could* compile... open soure flash!)
[01:26] <jende_> ltmon: it's quite a comforable way to get the 9ish beta
[01:26] <campbch> if i were to write a program in c using kdevelop, how would i run it after compiling? is there a specific command, or would something like /src/debug/testing work?
[01:26] <Ash-Fox> When I try to start X from a script, I get a lovely message saying, "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.", but if I type the command out manually in the same shell, it works. Anybody know what the problem and how to get around it?
[01:26] <jende_> intelikey: yo howdy
[01:26] <intelikey> yo
[01:26] <ltmon> jende_: I'm sure it is... i just copied the *.so library to the right place which required a little more reading
[01:26] <intelikey> word
[01:27] <intelikey> sup homie ?
[01:27] <campbch> thats the other question, where do the two flash plugin files go in konqueror?
[01:27] <jende_> ltmon: and let me guess...it worked as it should
[01:28] <jende_> intelikey: word?sup homie? huh?
[01:28] <campbch> kpartplugins isn't the right one
[01:29] <campbch> ... anyone?
[01:29] <intelikey> home boy.  i'm live'n large.    grubbin' on a t-bone, sippin' on ice tea; and chillin' jende_
[01:29] <dom> !flash
[01:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:29] <dom> hmm
[01:29] <jende_> intelikey: lucky you, ey
[01:29] <ltmon> jende_: worked fine
[01:30] <intelikey> jende_ perhaps i should refrain from the local vernacular ?
[01:30] <dom> campbch,  if you go into the plugins config for konqueror, you'll see where it's searching to find plugins
[01:30] <campbch> hmm
[01:30] <amayera> is there no sun-java5-bin in edgy?
[01:30] <dom> $HOME/.mozilla/plugins is in there
[01:30] <amayera> how can I get java in edgy?
[01:31] <intelikey> !info java edgy
[01:31] <ubotu> Package java does not exist in edgy
[01:31] <maryen> dom, you trying to get flash 9?
[01:31] <maryen> !sun-java5-plugin
[01:31] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[01:31] <jende_> intelikey: yeah do that
[01:31] <dom> maryen,  no, just pointing out to campbch where konq looks for plugins
[01:31] <maryen> k
[01:31] <campbch> yep
[01:31] <amayera> damn. does that mean I have to get it from sun?
[01:32] <maryen> it probably looks at ~/.mozilla/plugins
[01:32] <intelikey> !info sun-java5-bin edgy
[01:32] <ubotu> sun-java5-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 21811 kB, installed size 65084 kB
[01:32] <maryen> no
[01:32] <magicmike> Yo jende. What up?
[01:32] <maryen> amareya activate all your repos and then try installing it
[01:32] <intelikey> amayera that ^  ?
[01:32] <maryen> !restricted
[01:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <campbch> kpartplugins is not in the standard list of plugin directories :(
[01:32] <jende_> magicmike: my buddy...how are ya?
[01:33] <amayera> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse <-- this line should be enough right?
[01:33] <maryen> that first link ubotu gave you will help you out
[01:33] <intelikey> amayera no
[01:33] <maryen> add multiverse to every line that has universe
[01:33] <intelikey> that's backports
[01:33] <jende_> amayera: that refers to the mutiverse bpo's whic doesn't help you at all
[01:34] <amayera> oh, ok. that explains some issues I had the last days. thanks.
[01:34] <maryen> btw, ive been curious
[01:34] <romeo_> hmm installes but doesn t work
[01:34] <jende_> maryen: curious?bout what?now I'm curious...*ggg*
[01:34] <intelikey> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse  <--- got milk ?
[01:34] <magicmike> Good.
[01:35] <maryen> since dapper is lts, does that mean stuff from edgy and subsequent releases will be worked into dapper
[01:35] <romeo_> should i restarst?
[01:35] <jende_> magicmike: couls someone fix up your ne2000 prb?
[01:35] <jende_> magicmike: couls someone fix up your ne2000 prob?
[01:35] <intelikey> could
[01:36] <romeo_> installed flash 9 but does not work on youtube should i restart?
[01:36] <Hydra> ok, so I', running though the kubuntu installer and I've selected a PARTITION to install linux on
[01:36] <amayera> it works. great. thank you all.
[01:36] <jende_> intelikey: damn typo
[01:36] <amayera> romeo_: here flash 9 works fine.
[01:36] <intelikey> jende_ every body but me typos.  i just can't spell.
[01:37] <romeo_> maybe if i restart after install?
[01:37] <Hydra> and the next screen gives me two options "erase entire DISK: (details about the partition follow) - 21.5gb linux device mapper" and "Manually edit partition table"
[01:37] <Hydra> i'm like.
[01:37] <otaku-san> romeo_: you don't need to restart
[01:37] <Hydra> "hold on, i've selected a partition and now it's asking me if i want to erase the DISK"
[01:37] <amayera> romeo_: how have you installed it?
[01:37] <Hydra> wtf?
[01:37] <jende_> romeo_: you shouldn't have to restart/reboot your system if stuff got installed properly
[01:37] <romeo_> can you give a link with something flash brsides youtube?
[01:37] <magicmike> It install several different kernels. I just had to choose the right one.
[01:38] <intelikey> Hydra dapper drake ?
[01:38] <romeo_> i installes with adept
[01:38] <jende_> magicmike: errrr...so you had more than just one kernel installed
[01:38] <Hydra> edgy eft latest rc
[01:39] <intelikey> ummm havent see that installer yet.   but the ducky one is screwy that way.  it doesn't do anythign until it gets the the next step "confirming the partition and formating"
[01:39] <Hydra> clicking "next" told me about how the partitions are going to be created
[01:40] <magicmike> Yea.
[01:40] <Hydra> clicking "next" caused the monitor to blank and now the system is frozen
[01:40] <Hydra> great..
[01:40] <maryen> hmm, my comp crashed
[01:40] <Hydra> oh wait no it's not
[01:40] <[GuS] > Aurevoir!
[01:40] <maryen> and now no sound?
[01:40] <maryen> brb
[01:40] <intelikey> live cd's are slow.  give it time.
[01:41] <jende_> magicmike: now the lot makes sense and shows me, that I forgot to ask you that question, which shows me that I should relearn to think as a newbie as well, if I help
[01:41] <otaku-san> intelikey: not to mention if you push it to far...it's prone to freeze...at least for me
[01:41] <magicmike> Now., I'm almost ready for take on some new adventures but I'll maybe  wait until tomorrow.
[01:41] <romeo_> hmm tried playing flash game firefox crashed
[01:41] <otaku-san> romeo_: you seem to have a bad flash install
[01:41] <magicmike> Naw, man you were great. Can't remember everything.
[01:42] <romeo_> should i try reinstall?
[01:43] <jende_> magicmike: I should remember such important things, if I help a newbie...shoouldn't expect that you telle me like out of the box stuff like 'yo, I've got the following kernels installed'
[01:43] <amayera> romeo_: what was your way of installing?
[01:43] <intelikey> Q; "what do linux users do?"
[01:43] <otaku-san> romeo_: you first need to unistall...
[01:43] <intelikey> A; "they install software."
[01:43] <Silvania> <- trying out Kubunto :)
[01:43] <otaku-san> amayera: he did it thru apt
[01:43] <jende_> intelikey: they don't reboot
[01:43] <otaku-san> amayera: I mean adept
[01:44] <intelikey> only ubuntu-linux users reboot.
[01:44] <amayera> there are already *.deb packages for it?
[01:44] <amayera> cool.
[01:44] <otaku-san> well not 9
[01:44] <jende_> intelikey: but those with KUbuntu...*ggg*
[01:44] <romeo_> ok
[01:44] <otaku-san> but for 7 yes
[01:44] <jende_> intelikey: just don't have to
[01:44] <maryen> yay sound is fine
[01:45] <amayera> ah ok.
[01:45] <otaku-san> romeo_: go into adept and uninstall flash...then when your done tell me..and I'll give you a link to a howto on installing 9
[01:45] <intelikey> sorry.   cat ^that | sed 's/ubuntu/\*ubuntu/'
[01:45] <maryen> stupid unstable nvidia beta driver
[01:45] <notbbt> does edgy update to RC or would i need to get the .isos again ?
[01:45] <Hydra> yeah, the installer is well broken..
[01:46] <maryen> it updates
[01:46] <jende_> notbbt: are you on edgy
[01:46] <notbbt> yes
[01:46] <Hydra> I've got an existing hdd with 2 primary partitions, one extended partition split into 3 more logical partitions
[01:46] <jende_> notbbt: well, it sure updates, why shouldn't it
[01:46] <Silvania> brb
[01:46] <Hydra> the 2nd primary partition is blank, which is where i want to create an ext3 partition and a swap partition
[01:47] <Hydra> but it doesn't give me the option to do so...
[01:47] <intelikey> Hydra manually ?      sudo cfdisk
[01:48] <Hydra> intelikey, ok so i had already started up fdisk to do it...
[01:48] <intelikey> you will have to delete or resize the second primary to make room for the swap
[01:48] <Hydra> question is, will it rescan the partition table and let me chose the ext3 and swap partitions after i've created them?
[01:49] <intelikey> prolly not.  probably have to back out and hit it again.
[01:49] <Hydra> mhh
[01:49] <sorush20> hi guys I keep getting this error
[01:49] <sorush20> kdeprinter
[01:49] <romeo_> sorry i had a phone call
[01:49] <Hydra> dmraid -ay might do it I guess
[01:49] <romeo_> ok i added source
[01:49] <romeo_> ain adept
[01:49] <Hydra> i think i'll make some space in the extended partition
[01:50] <bbt> anything specific i need to do to upgrade??
[01:50] <Hydra> i need vista on this box soon too!
[01:50] <romeo_> i unistalled the old flash
[01:50] <otaku-san> romeo_: you added a source to adept?
[01:50] <intelikey> Hydra again if that's on the salamander release i have not see that installer.    and probably never will.
[01:50] <otaku-san> ok
[01:50] <Hydra> linux doesn't need a primary partition
[01:50] <romeo_> and reibstalled from new source
[01:50] <romeo_> yes
[01:50] <jende_> bbt: well you have to modify your sources
[01:50] <intelikey> linux doesn't even need a partition
[01:50] <Hydra> back to windows for a bit...
[01:51] <jende_> bbt: and then do a sudo apt-update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:51] <romeo_> http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/
[01:51] <otaku-san> romeo_: ahhhh try flash out then
[01:51] <intelikey> so no it doesn't need a primary partition either.
[01:51] <Hydra> at least it finds my mouse, keyboard and gfx card!
[01:51] <bbt> jende_: for edgy to rc, what would i need to modify ??
[01:51] <Hydra> i remember installing linux a few years ago, crikey nightmare back then...
[01:51] <jende_> bbt: oooops sorry didn't get the first bist
[01:52] <jende_> bbt: just a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:52] <bbt> ok
[01:53] <romeo_> i m gonna restart you never know
[01:53] <intelikey> i started playing with linux about 1 i think (most say 01, while others specify 2001)  i have never really had any trubble installing it.   ubuntu is as hard to install as the slackware 4 i started on.
[01:53] <otaku-san> romeo_: is it working...why do you need to reboot?
[01:53] <romeo_> it s not working
[01:53] <bbt> jende_: nothing to upgrade
[01:53] <otaku-san> on those sources there is no key
[01:54] <romeo_> i tried youtube no go
[01:54] <jende_> bbt: hmmm...
[01:54] <romeo_> it s installed it just doesn t work
[01:54] <otaku-san> romeo_: hold on...let me try youtube with my flash 9
[01:54] <romeo_> ok
[01:55] <jende_> bbt: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:55] <romeo_> i ried a flash game and firefox crashed
[01:55] <jende_> romeo_: what game?
[01:56] <jende_> romeo_: whats the url to it?
[01:56] <romeo_> hmm just a sec
[01:56] <erik_> really stupid Q... Trying to get automatix to install...
[01:57] <jende_> !automatix
[01:57] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[01:57] <bbt> jende_: same result
[01:57] <romeo_> http://www.addictinggames.com/
[01:57] <erik_> thankyou
[01:57] <otaku-san> romeo_: it works for me man
[01:57] <jende_> bbt: lsb_release -a
[01:57] <otaku-san> romeo_: here uninstall flash and let me show you how I installed it
[01:58] <Dr_willis> youtube and the flash9 beta works for me
[01:58] <Dr_willis> using  FP9_plugin_beta_101806.tar.gz
[01:58] <jared555> for an average user how much command line work is required with kubuntu? (trying to find a distro to set new people up with)
[01:58] <romeo_> wait it worked this time
[01:58] <intelikey> Dr_willis flash ?    blasphemer !
[01:58] <bbt> jende_: http://cut.and.paste.org/pastebin/index.php?id=106
[01:58] <intelikey> :)
[01:58] <romeo_> i heard somewhere that it woul crash firefox the first time
[01:58] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  now if only there was somthing worth watching on youtube
[01:59] <intelikey> lol
[01:59] <Dr_willis> It hasent crashed the 5+ videos ive seen so far.
[01:59] <erik_> if I wanted to sudo "text editor" to open a text file what text editor command would I use?
[01:59] <jende_> bbt: you are already on the rc
[01:59] <otaku-san> romeo_: it didn't crash for me also
[01:59] <dom> jared555,  technically none.  but a lot of howto/troubleshooting stuff online will give command-line answers
[01:59] <campbch> yummm.
[01:59] <Dr_willis> and reallt the video quality is rather lacking i find. :)
[01:59] <romeo_> well i saw somewhere where it might
[01:59] <otaku-san> Dr_willis: hey whats up?
[02:00] <campbch> how do you run a binary that you've compiled? like, the default kdevelop3 console program?
[02:00] <romeo_> i gonna try youtube now
[02:00] <jende_> bbt: if you weren't it would say 6.10 (developer.....)
[02:00] <campbch> it keeps saying unknown command
[02:00] <campbch> when i type the program name
[02:00] <intelikey> jared555 if you admin their boxen 0% cli for the pointy clicky people.
[02:00] <otaku-san> romeo_: go ahead and uninstall the flash on adept
[02:00] <bbt> jende_: well i have never run a dist-uprgade, does automatix do it??
[02:00] <LjL> !automatix
[02:00] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[02:00] <jende_> bbt: coould be, I don't use/need automatix
[02:00] <Dr_willis> automatix is the work of the devil! :)
[02:00] <romeo_> i got youtube working
[02:00] <otaku-san> ok
[02:00] <romeo_> thanks
[02:01] <romeo_> yes
[02:01] <otaku-san> it was just a hiccup
[02:01] <romeo_> mustve
[02:01] <jared555> intelikey, I am trying to set something up where other than for the initial learning experience and maybe very occasional work the users can do most work on the system
[02:01] <romeo_> thanks all
[02:01] <otaku-san> Dr_willis: no it's not!
[02:01] <otaku-san> no prob
[02:01] <romeo_> f... windows
[02:01] <romeo_> don t need you
[02:01] <romeo_> lol
[02:01] <erik_> if I wanted to sudo "text editor" to open a text file what text editor command would I use? I tried sudo kate file path but I get this long string of errors in termial
[02:01] <ltmon> jared555: it really depends on what their day-to-day tasks are.  for email, web, basic word processing and other software you should be fine
[02:02] <ltmon> jared555: but some more specialised stuff might need investigating
[02:02] <wickedpuppy> where can i set the screen saver ? i can't find it.. thanks
[02:02] <jared555> I have seen a couple distros that are really good about easy to install/configure things but they had basically no packages easily available
[02:02] <Dr_willis> erik_,  pick one of the many texteditors and install them and learn how to use one. :P
[02:02] <Rakzor_Away> System settings -> desktop
[02:02] <jared555> how hard is it to get 3d(ati/nvidia/intel), java, and flash working?
[02:02] <intelikey> ltmon exception being java flash extra-codecs....  like i said if someone will admin the box.
[02:02] <jende_> !nvidia
[02:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:02] <Dr_willis> erik_,  vi, emacs, kate, kedit, gedit, fte, nano, pico, mcedit. :)
[02:03] <wickedpuppy> thanks Rakzor_Away
[02:03] <romeo_> one last thing i think it works beter than on my windows box
[02:03] <ltmon> jared555: intel stuff should be fine "out of the box", but nvidia and ati need some work (not much though)
[02:03] <romeo_> really does
[02:03] <otaku-san> thats good
[02:03] <intelikey> it's not much trubble to admin a box for someone that doesn't demand that it look and act exactly like that other os.
[02:04] <otaku-san> kinda nice to know that others are making it good with there Linux
[02:04] <otaku-san> having it good
[02:04] <romeo_> yup
[02:05] <jared555> intelikey, the problem is I will not always be available to help them
[02:05] <otaku-san> romeo_: how long you been using linux?
[02:05] <jende_> folks, I'll be going now...it's 2am and I'm getting more and more tired
[02:05] <jende_> see ya 2morrow
[02:05] <otaku-san> sleep is good
[02:05] <jende_> n8 to everybody
[02:06] <Rakzor_Away> Cya jende.
[02:06] <Hydra> right partitions sorted! -  p1 - 20gb xp, p2 - 20gb vista, p3 - logical (20gb, data, 80gb games, 380gb scratch, 40gb ext3, 1gb swap)
[02:06] <Hydra> crikey, 2x300gb hdd's in raid-0 rocks ;)
[02:06] <jende_> will back toorrow after 3mugs of coffee...hehehe
[02:06] <jende_> will back tomorrow after 3mugs of coffee...hehehe
[02:06] <maryen> k
[02:06] <Hydra> acronis disk director is great..
[02:07] <maryen> guh ive been sick the past 3 days
[02:07] <erik_> anybody have problems sudo editing text with kate on a clean install?
[02:07] <maryen> do kdesu erik_
[02:07] <sorush20> hi
[02:07] <erik_> one other newb question... how do i whisper with konversation?
[02:08] <maryen> not sure
[02:08] <T3hWiz0rd> erik_: most clients are done by /msg
[02:08] <T3hWiz0rd> bah
[02:08] <T3hWiz0rd> my irssi window seems to be moving oddly.
[02:08] <maryen> you have to be registered @ freenode first though
[02:08] <intelikey> jared555 i set up a kubuntu boxen for my mother (66 years old now)  and didn't give here "root jr." status  i simply set up a few scripts to do the four or five things that would have to have root perms and setup sudo to let her use those scripts.      long story short.  she has called me two times with printer trubble (out of ink & paper jam)  that's all the admin action needed in over a year.   so you judge.
[02:08] <intelikey> s/here/her
[02:09] <sorush20> > why do I keep getting this error guys  dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 32789 package `libxau6':  missing version E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2
[02:09] <ltmon> sorush20: there should be lines above this that give the exact cause
[02:10] <Mando> howdy
[02:11] <maryen> hi
[02:11] <intelikey> sorush20 edit the file and fix it.
[02:11] <Mando> i have a few problems with kubuntu
[02:11] <maryen> name em
[02:11] <Mando> first of all..
[02:11] <ltmon> sorush20: ignore my suggestion... i think i'm wrong
[02:11] <Mando> everytime kubuntu loads.. it does a checking all file systems check.. which checks my fat32 60 gb parition
[02:11] <Mando> EVERYTIME
[02:12] <Mando> which takes a long time and this incredibly annoying
[02:12] <Rakzor> Mine too and I hate it.
[02:12] <maryen> i think thats normal
[02:12] <sorush20> intelikey: what file?
[02:12] <intelikey> parse error means the data is not in the expected format.  the "missing version"  tells you what the exact problem is      shouldn't be hard to fix.    unless the files it turncated
[02:12] <romeo_> soory i was gone for awhile i ve been using linux for about
[02:12] <Mando> well i dont think that taking 5 min to load is normal
[02:12] <romeo_> a year
[02:12] <jared555> any idea why the kubuntu, ubuntu, etc. livecds would fail to boot, freezing at mounting file system (I think that is it)
[02:12] <intelikey> the one it said...... /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:12] <birdfish> Is there any way to remove most of the software that kubuntu initially installs?  For instance, there is no need for kword when I would rather use openoffice 2.0
[02:12] <Mando> but if u say so then it it.. i'm a linux newbie
[02:13] <Mando> it is*
[02:13] <campbch> birdfish, try adept?
[02:13] <birdfish> campbch: what's adept?
[02:13] <maryen> the lenght of time probably has to do with it being a fat32 partition
[02:13] <campbch> the package manager has a list of all installed packages
[02:13] <intelikey> sorush20 all the info is in the error message you posted.
[02:13] <Mando> ok another problem
[02:13] <Mando> i've made a full upgrade using adept
[02:13] <sorush20> http://pastebin.co.uk/4473, the ubuntu pastebin is down right?
[02:13] <Mando> not my ati driver doesnt work and thus xgl + beryl dont work
[02:13] <campbch> k>system>Adept (package manager)
[02:13] <campbch> lets you install, uninstall things easily
[02:14] <maryen> one sec ill check into a way to disable fsck on fat32 at start
[02:14] <Mando> ok tyt
[02:14] <maryen> Mando: you upgraded to edgy
[02:14] <maryen> ?
[02:14] <campbch> anyways, i am in a C class and need a compiler, so i got kdevelop3 and compiled a test console program
[02:14] <romeo_> ctakusan about ayear that ive been using linux
[02:15] <romeo_> i had suse for a long time
[02:15] <maryen> if so the proprietary ati drivers don't work with xorg 7.1 yet if im correct
[02:15] <romeo_> got use to rpms too much
[02:15] <campbch> but for some reason i cant get it to run in console, or x for that matter
[02:15] <romeo_> got lazy
[02:15] <LjL> campbch: just for the record though, KDevelop isn't a compiler: it's an IDE, i.e. basically a glorified text editor with facilities for automatically invoking compilers, debuggers etc. the C compiler you're using is GCC.
[02:15] <campbch> yes
[02:15] <campbch> i know
[02:16] <xsacha> gcc
[02:16] <campbch> but i used that, found the binary, but it still wont work
[02:16] <sorush20> could someone look at my error please and reply http://pastebin.co.uk/4473
[02:16] <LjL> campbch: elaborate?
[02:16] <xsacha> what's wrong camp?
[02:16] <mac_> i have 3 128mb rimm memory sticks.  should i install all 3 or just 2?
[02:17] <Mando_> sorry got disconnected
[02:17] <maryen> Mando: give me a sec and ill check on the driver problem
[02:17] <intelikey> sorush20 you mean someone else ?
[02:17] <Mando_> i dont think i've upgraded to edgy
[02:17] <campbch> ok. i started the ide, made a default console project, compiled it, and now i have the binary. to run the binary, i would either run it from x, which i hoped would invoke konsole, or run it from konsole as /src/debug/testing
[02:17] <Mando_> i got a new source.list from source-o-matic
[02:17] <campbch> but neither is working?
[02:17] <maryen> Mando_: you did a dist upgrade right?
[02:17] <Mando_> and clicked full upgrade in adept
[02:17] <maryen> hmm
[02:17] <LjL> campbch: what happens when you try from the console?
[02:18] <maryen> give me the site you got it from
[02:18] <campbch> it says that it can't find the command
[02:18] <maryen> so i can look at it
[02:18] <Mando_> ok 1 sec.
[02:18] <Mando_> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:18] <Rakzor> Arg, installing Kubuntu, installer is detecting file system, it's been at 14% for...a few hours now, is that really normal?
[02:18] <xsacha> cd /src/debug/testing && ./mytestbinary
[02:19] <intelikey> campbch is it executable ?
[02:19] <dom> !java
[02:19] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:19] <intelikey> chmod
[02:19] <campbch> someone in #kdevelop said something about typing ./testing or /testing, something about . not being in the path
[02:19] <LjL> mac_: if you've got three free slots, and don't need the third DIMM somewhere else, i don't see why'd you only install two.
[02:19] <xsacha> chmod a+x mytestbinary   if it says permission denied
[02:19] <Dr_willis> LjL,  thats way toooo logical. :)
[02:19] <LjL> campbch: indeed, if you are in a directory, you can't just type the name of an executable that's in that directory -- you should prefix it with "./"
[02:19] <campbch> ok
[02:19] <campbch> but it still didn't work?
[02:20] <xsacha> to execute it you must do: ./mytestbinary   when in the direct of mytestbinary
[02:20] <campbch> one sec...
[02:20] <xsacha> what was error camp?
[02:20] <LjL> Dr_willis: well, i had a laugh with the others in #ubuntu-offtopic before replying though ;-P
[02:20] <maryen> Mando_: upload your sources.list to this site 'http://www.megaupload.com/' and give me the resulting link
[02:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:20] <intelikey> or full path.   which campbch specified the first time.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i see WAY too many questions like that on a daily basis.
[02:21] <Mando_> i'm on windows now :S
[02:21] <Mando_> ok nevermind about xgl now
[02:21] <campbch> :D it worked that time
[02:21] <campbch> i'm happy
[02:21] <campbch> :D
[02:21] <xsacha> :)
[02:21] <Hydra> mHHHhh, booted the live cd again and this time it wouldn't initialise my network connection (no packets received)
[02:21] <intelikey> /usr/src/testing   == cd /usr/src ;./testing
[02:21] <Mando_> i want to skip the checking all filesystems
[02:21] <campbch> thanks
[02:21] <Mando_> and i want to get the wifi working
[02:21] <maryen> ok then
[02:21] <Mando_> these are more important now
[02:21] <sorush20> intelikey: no I mean anyone who knows about what to do really... what does the error mean what can I do about it ?
[02:21] <mac_> ljl actually it's rimm but i don't think that matters.  i thought i read somewhere you get better performance if you install in pairs.
[02:21] <maryen> well ill need a little info first
[02:22] <LjL> Dr_willis, my computer came with a disk called "Workbench", but when i put it in, it does nothing and then only shows a gray screen with some pictures. what can i do?
[02:22] <Mando_> ok sure
[02:22] <maryen> when you did the source o matic thing
[02:22] <Mando_> yesterday
[02:22] <Mando_> and the upgrade 2day
[02:22] <Dr_willis> LjL,  'im holding this paper up to the screen and running the scanner program.. but it dont scan....'
[02:22] <Hydra> then i tried ifup eth1 - no interface (bollocks, eth1 in dmesg output) added eth1 to /etc/net/interfaces swapped network cable to other port, ifup eth1, dhcp server contacted.  ip configured, but it wouldn't talk to the outside world...
[02:22] <maryen> what option did you choose for the distro
[02:22] <Hydra> (no pings or dns)
[02:22] <Mando_> dapper
[02:22] <LjL> mac_: i don't know, but i'll believe any better performance due to that will disappear in front of 128 more megs of RAM, especially since 128*3 isn't such a huge amount nowadays
[02:22] <maryen> hoary, breezy, or dapper
[02:22] <maryen> ok
[02:22] <Hydra> mhh, bloody linux
[02:23] <sorush20> there are a lot of errors on the sources from the source-o-matic I would not recommend it.. there is no link to the sources of the commercial pakcages in the conanical servers
[02:23] <Mando_> i have kubuntu dapper drake 6.06
[02:23] <Hydra> it's just so  *random*..
[02:23] <maryen> ok we'll do wifi first
[02:23] <Mando_> ok sure
[02:23] <maryen> do you happen to know what chipset your wireless is running
[02:23] <Mando_> kubuntu finds my wireless network but doesnt seem to communicate with it
[02:23] <LjL> Dr_willis: i assume you're familiar with the "!doesn't work" and the "!nothing" factoids, by the way.
[02:23] <intelikey> campbch you can add the pwd to your path.   it's a security hole  but not a big one.       echo  'export PATH="$PATH:./" ' >> ~/.profile
[02:23] <mac_> Ljl i was thinking the same thing.  but i figured i'd ask for a 2nd opinion before i crawled back in the corner to unhook this thing
[02:24] <Dr_willis> LjL,  is there a !putforthaLITTLEeffortMan factoid? :)
[02:24] <maryen> ok, so your wireless appears to work, but won't attach to your network?
[02:24] <Mando_> intel prowireless 2200G
[02:24] <LjL> Dr_willis: no, there is a !patience factoid though... we try to be nice :P
[02:25] <Hydra> oh neat, this time i've got garbage/artifacts on the kubuntu loading screen while the cd is booting..
[02:25] <Dr_willis> !nice
[02:25] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:25] <Mando_> well the wireless LED on the router doesnt flicker at all.. its like kubuntu isnt sending nor recieving anything
[02:25] <intelikey> sorush20 are you firewalled in ?
[02:25] <Hydra> ooh, a mouse pointer!
[02:25] <sorush20> intelikey: what does that got to do with anything
[02:25] <campbch> hmm?
[02:25] <campbch> this might seem like a basic question... but rm removes files, rmdir removes empty directories, and what removes full directories?
[02:25] <campbch> i checked man rmdir for a switch that would allow it to delete everything in the directory, but it didn't say anything
[02:25] <Hydra> when, btw, is xorg going to get rid of that HIDEOUS "X" mouse pointer...
[02:25] <LjL> campbch: rm with the -r option.
[02:26] <Hydra> that's been around for YEARS now..
[02:26] <Rakzor> rm -r
[02:26] <intelikey> sorush20 has nothing to do with anything.  i give up.
[02:26] <maryen> Mando_: wireless problem might be a little hard to fix until i get the lspci code for your card
[02:26] <sorush20> intelikey: I thought you were trying to help me are you or not?
[02:26] <LjL> Hydra: decades, i believe. anyway, i don't mind it, the one i hate is the "clock" pointer
[02:26] <intelikey> not anymore.
[02:27] <Mando_> ok can i help in searching for it? like what to do and what to search for
[02:27] <campbch> alright thanks
[02:27] <mac_> Hydra, the display on one of my machines is messed up during boot and after x shuts down but is perfect while x is running :)
[02:27] <intelikey> sorry dude.  my patients just ended.
[02:27] <intelikey> later folks.
[02:27] <Hydra> ahh good, the network's working this time - did i do anything different?  no...  nice to see linux so stable, lol
[02:28] <LjL> gee, it shows for probably a good *two seconds* :P
[02:28] <LjL> ... on slow machines
[02:28] <Dr_willis> They should be showing some "Linux/Xorg (tm)" splash screens! :)
[02:28] <maryen> Mando_: you would need to be in linux for me to instruct you on where to get that info
[02:28] <campbch> i havent had problems with stability so much as getting things to run, and it's been pretty consistently my lack of experience that's done it
[02:28] <Mando_> ok
[02:28] <Mando_> switching to linux
[02:28] <Mando_> brb
[02:28] <Dr_willis> I dont see it ever.. but i think the x startup scripts on ubuntu set the background and cursors befor X shows up
[02:28] <maryen> as for your fat32 problem
[02:28] <Hydra> they should deffo change the old pointers though
[02:29] <maryen> one sec
[02:29] <Hydra> they're horrid
[02:29] <Mando_> ok
[02:29] <LjL> Welcome to Kubuntu, a GNU/Linux/Xorg/KDE system
[02:29] <jmichaelx>  are there any cups wizards in here? i am trying to configure this PC as a print server.... but when i 'lpq' from a client machine, i get 'no default destination available'. the machine with the printer is kubuntu edgy, the client machine is running kubuntu dapper
[02:29] <Mando_> what about the fat32 problem?
[02:29] <maryen> you're going to need to edit a file
[02:29] <Mando_> ok no probs.. which file and what to edit?
[02:29] <Rakzor> Anyone know if an install of Dapper should take 4 hours? It says detectin file system 14%...but four hours? =\
[02:29] <maryen> let me put together an example for you real quick
[02:29] <maryen> gimme just a second
[02:30] <Hydra> right, let's see what dmraid give me this time
[02:30] <Mando_> dapper took me like 45 min or so
[02:30] <Rakzor> Dang something's wrong then...
[02:30] <Mando_> yeah definitely
[02:30] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: that sure is slow.... what kind of machine are you using?
[02:30] <Mando_> or ur pc is super slow
[02:30] <Hydra> aha, partitions!
[02:30] <Rakzor> Dell 2400.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> What Kind of chip ya got? a Dorito?
[02:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:30] <Mando_> lol
[02:30] <jmichaelx> well, what kind of CPU?
[02:30] <Rakzor> Lmao, a pentium.
[02:30] <jmichaelx> a pentium what?
[02:31] <Rakzor> I dunno.=p
[02:31] <Dr_willis> gotta love vague answers...
[02:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:31] <jmichaelx> hmmm
[02:31] <Hydra> but btw, i should *reallllllly* be able to do this from the installer
[02:31] <Rakzor> And I don't know how to check on Kubuntu
[02:31] <Linux_Galore_> eeer its got a cpu in it
[02:31] <Dr_willis> look in the bios screens
[02:31] <Linux_Galore_> and some wires
[02:31] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: are you using konversation?
[02:31] <Rakzor> Yeah.
[02:32] <maryen> manda_: did you specify a mount point for your fat32 partition?
[02:32] <jmichaelx> type /sysinfo and press enter
[02:32] <Dr_willis> live cd works? but the isntall dont eh?
[02:32] <maryen> if so can you tell me what it is
[02:32] <Rakzor> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2392 MHz (4789 bogomips), , RAM: 749/756MB, 123 proc's, 3.17h up
[02:32] <Rakzor> OOoooo
[02:32] <Rakzor> Oh nvm, not a pentium.
[02:32] <Mando_>  hda2 is that it?
[02:32] <dom> Sysinfo for 'friday.dl.nibble.bz': Linux 2.6.15-27-k7 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 1808 MHz (2011 bogomips), , RAM: 949/1010MB, 118 proc's, 7.50h up
[02:32] <Linux_Galore_> yeah its a celery
[02:32] <Rakzor> Heh
[02:32] <Mando_> and another fat32 partition on hda1
[02:33] <Hydra> ARGH!!!
[02:33] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: i am not sure what is wrong, but your CPU should not have any problems at all
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Sysinfo for 'bubba: Linux 2.6.15-26-386   CPU: Z80 2.5 Mhz (.000001 bogomips),, RAM 16K, 1 proc, 1hr up
[02:33] <Linux_Galore_> Rakzor: swap to the i686 kernel in adept
[02:33] <Hydra> I've got ext3 and swap partitions defined and it *STILL* doesn't let me choose where to install kubuntu
[02:33] <Rakzor> jmichaelx: It tried to creat a swap, but it didn't work, could that have messed it up?
[02:34] <Rakzor> How?
[02:34] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: not sure, but i doubt it
[02:34] <Hydra> don't the guys that make the installer realise that people DON'T START WITH BLANK HDD's!
[02:34] <Hydra> *ARGH*
[02:34] <Linux_Galore_> Rakzor: go into adept and search for kernel
[02:34] <maryen> maybe
[02:34] <Rakzor> Hm, how do I ge to adept?
[02:34] <Dr_willis> I start with bank hdd;s
[02:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:34] <otaku-san> see ya'll
[02:34] <Rakzor> Heh nvm
[02:34] <Linux_Galore_> Rakzor: menu->system->adept
[02:34] <Hydra> any got any suggestions on how i can setup kubuntu on a hard drive that's already got partitions on it ready to be formatted/used ?
[02:35] <campbch> Sysinfo for 'stormbreaker': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.86GHz at 798 MHz (1598 bogomips), , RAM: 717/1002MB, 107 proc's, 2.31h up
[02:35] <maryen> !pastebin
[02:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:35] <campbch> im doin alright.
[02:35] <jmichaelx> i should not have mentioned /sysinfo lol
[02:35] <campbch> processor speed's a bit low, but it's a laptop :D
[02:35] <campbch> i couldnt resist, sorry
[02:35] <Hydra> btw, "manually edit partition table" doesn't let me choose devices from /dev/mapper/*, it only gives me /dev/sd*
[02:35] <Mando_> anyluck?
[02:36] <jmichaelx> campbch: your CPU is not slow at all
[02:36] <maryen> yes
[02:36] <jmichaelx> campbch: you have plenty to work with
[02:36] <campbch> its not slow, so much as slow-er
[02:36] <mac_> Rakzor, sounds like a problem i had on one of my computers.  the only way i could get past it was to actually unplug it for a minute and then plug it back in.  turning off and on didn't help.  don't know if you have the same problem but i think that's the same place i was hanging
[02:36] <maryen> almost done
[02:36] <Mando_> ok great :D
[02:36] <jmichaelx> campbch: i use MUCH slower machines commonly
[02:36] <Linux_Galore_> put it this way a P3 733 is fine with Kubuntu
[02:36] <Rakzor> mac_: I'll try it, waiting hasn't done anything.
[02:36] <campbch> i dont notice differences between this and my 3ghz
[02:36] <campbch> in any sense
[02:37] <campbch> and my first install was suse a year back on a 533mhz celeron, so i know what you mean :D
[02:37] <mac_> yeah, i run a p3 733 with kubuntu and it's fine.  but it's a bit finer with xubuntu
[02:37] <Hydra> anyone? anyone?
[02:37] <jmichaelx> Linux_Galore_: i use kubuntu on a 500Mhz P3 all the time with no problems.... i watch DVDs , streaming videos , etc etc
[02:38] <Linux_Galore_> Ive got xubuntu on a PII 450 thats the slowest machine I have right now
[02:38] <Linux_Galore_> whizzes along with xubuntu on it
[02:38] <mac_> Linux_Galore_, i switched to freedos for my p2s
[02:38] <jmichaelx> i have a 400Mhz celeron with zenwalk, and it works great
[02:38] <maryen> Mando_: ok http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27727/, this is the example, when you get into linux, you're going to want to type 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' into the konsole and follow this things instructions
[02:39] <Linux_Galore_> just dont open firefox though
[02:39] <jmichaelx> mac_: there are linux distros that would run well on that machine
[02:39] <tyl3r> Am I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?
[02:39] <jmichaelx> on P2s, that is
[02:39] <maryen> ok?
[02:40] <Mando_> ok thanks a bunch!
[02:40] <maryen> np
[02:40] <jmichaelx> i also have damn small linux on an old P1/166Mhz :-D.... and i surf the net with firefox
[02:40] <maryen> just a warning mando
[02:40] <maryen> disabling filesystem checking can leave your fat32 partition unhealthy
[02:40] <tyl3r> Am I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?
[02:40] <Mando_> i
[02:40] <maryen> but only as unhealthy as windows leaves it
[02:41] <Mando_> i'll do a fsck everyonce and a while
[02:41] <mac_> jmichaelx, sure.  i ran mandriva on it.  i'm just on a mission to rotate between OSS OSs as they hit v1.0.  freedos did recently.  if reactos ever does i'll add it, too
[02:41] <maryen> k
[02:41] <Linux_Galore_> my favorite machine right now is a Dual P4 Xeon (1.6Ghz) I built from bits and pieces
[02:41] <Hydra> hmm, there's a new ubquity installer
[02:41] <Hydra> i'll try upgrading that first
[02:41] <Mando_> thank you very very much
[02:41] <jmichaelx> mac_: cool
[02:41] <maryen> np
[02:42] <maryen> tell me when you're in linux if you can
[02:42] <maryen> konversation has this channel preloaded into it
[02:42] <mac_> i think dsl would run nicely on my palmv.  :)
[02:42] <Linux_Galore_> Ive grown not to like oem machines or pre mades, I like building machines from junk other people have decided to deprecate for one reason or another
[02:42] <jmichaelx> i am still a total amateur at putting PCs together, but i am learning. i bought this PC from a school for $5 (along with three others) about a month ago
[02:42] <jmichaelx> *loves junk PCs
[02:43] <Mando_> ok will do
[02:43] <tyl3r> Am I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?
[02:43] <Linux_Galore_> junker = pc built from bits and pieces that others have decided to either sell or throw out
[02:43] <jmichaelx> busy cursor?
[02:43] <tyl3r> yeah
[02:43] <tyl3r> the jumping icon
[02:43] <maryen> i need to build a junker server
[02:43] <tyl3r> when you open new apps
[02:44] <maryen> and or testing box
[02:44] <Rakzor> Yeah that annoying lil thing...
[02:44] <jmichaelx> Linux_Galore_: most of my PCs were discarded from offices and schools
[02:44] <tyl3r> yeah in edgy there isn't anymore the option to disable it
[02:44] <Linux_Galore_> jmichaelx: your like me, do you have a collection of CPU's yet
[02:44] <jmichaelx> i have edgy, but no busy cursor (that i know of)
[02:44] <tyl3r> weird
[02:45] <campbch> jmichael, how do you go about doing that?
[02:45] <campbch> do you need connections, or what?
[02:45] <jmichaelx> you mean CPU chips?? i don't have that, but i have about 15 old desktops and 2 laptops (one with a non-functioning screen)
[02:45] <campbch> the thought occurred to me a while back
[02:45] <Linux_Galore_> you know your a junker addict when you always carry a screw driver and when you walk the dog and find an old pc on the curb you pull it appart and strip it
[02:45] <maryen> tyl3r: gimme a sec
[02:45] <mac_> i bought my first new computer not long ago because it was only $380.  amd64 3500, 200 gb hd, tv/radio tuner, 1 gb ram, dvd burner.  i just couldn't pass it up.  but speaking of the reuse lotto, last week i picked up a p4 for $30 at the salvation army.  it didn't have a monitor, mouse, or kb so they were selling it for $30 while the p2 next to it did and was priced at $110 :)
[02:45] <jmichaelx> LOL
[02:46] <tyl3r> ok maryen
[02:46] <tyl3r> thanks a lot
[02:46] <campbch> :D
[02:46] <jmichaelx> that is awesome, mac_
[02:46] <Linux_Galore_> Ive left a trail of hundreds of pc carcases with the ram and cpu and hardisk removed
[02:46] <mac_> Linux_Galore_, that's only cool if you take the rest of the machine to the recycler.
[02:46] <maryen> tyl3r: type 'kcontrol' into your konsole, and go to launch feedback under appearance and themes
[02:46] <Linux_Galore_> mac_: the council recycles them here anway
[02:47] <Linux_Galore_> anyway*
[02:47] <mac_> Linux_Galore_, ok
[02:47] <bioticpro> G'day yall, q: if blank dvds are 4.7GB capacity, why do all the ripping programs have the default image size set to 4.4GB?
[02:47] <jmichaelx> mac_: i have several boxes that need to go to the recycler
[02:47] <tyl3r> ok
[02:47] <Rakzor> Uptime: 3 hours and 32 minutes
[02:47] <rich_> hello
[02:47] <Rakzor> Hm, three hours...
[02:47] <rich_> hi
[02:47] <rich_> hi
[02:48] <tyl3r> awsome, thanks!!!!
[02:48] <jmichaelx> this $5 box has become my main PC, the only thing i have done to it, is add a $10 usb 2.0 PCI card
[02:48] <tyl3r> I did it
[02:48] <maryen> np
[02:48] <tyl3r> no more busy cursor
[02:48] <tyl3r> thanks a lot maryen
[02:48] <maryen> np
[02:48] <mac_> tyl3r, i HATE thing.  the guy on dl.tv was talking about how much he liked it :)
[02:48] <maryen> eh, to each his own
[02:49] <maryen> i like it personally
[02:49] <tyl3r> damn
[02:49] <tyl3r> it's so annoying
[02:49] <jmichaelx> oops, i lied, i did add a 128MB nvidia video card , as well
[02:49] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: depends how you measure a 1k  some read it as 1000 bits some 1024
[02:49] <tyl3r> and imo it also slows the opening of a program
[02:49] <maryen> although i would like it to be more representative of how the program is opening
[02:49] <mac_> lol@ "How many bytes are in a gigabyte?"
[02:49] <maryen> tyl3r, what speed cpu are you running? >.>
[02:49] <tyl3r> athlon64 3200
[02:50] <jmichaelx> i am running edgy, and have no idea what this busy cursor thing is lol
[02:50] <tyl3r> I know it's not shit LOL
[02:50] <maryen> whats its clockspeed
[02:50] <maryen> :p
[02:50] <tyl3r> 2ghz
[02:50] <maryen> hmm
[02:50] <mac_> jmichaelx, it's what makes your cursor bounce when you start an app
[02:50] <apsog33> kcontrol is your friend
[02:50] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: also if its a data dvd you lose space for the file system overhead
[02:50] <maryen> you should really look into getting a dual core
[02:50] <jmichaelx> mac_: ooooh, i like that busy cursor lol
[02:50] <maryen> they are very very nice
[02:51] <jmichaelx> now i know what you all mean
[02:51] <tyl3r> I know a Conroe would rock
[02:51] <tyl3r> but they are damn expensive
[02:51] <tyl3r> and I actually use only 1ghz
[02:51] <maryen> ive got a 1.7 intel core dup
[02:51] <jmichaelx> *still thinks that P3's rock
[02:51] <maryen> duo*
[02:51] <maryen> and my computer hardly ever slows down
[02:52] <tyl3r> mine doesn't too but that icon is so useful
[02:52] <tyl3r> sorry useless
[02:52] <maryen> mainly because its currently impossible for one application to take all the processor cycles
[02:52] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: ok, thx
[02:52] <tyl3r> yeah, only when I compile or play
[02:53] <maryen> what speed is the conroe you were wanting?
[02:53] <tyl3r> where are you from guys?
[02:53] <maryen> america
[02:53] <campbch> anyone know how the mp32ogg converter works? i've been trying mp32ogg <filename> with spaces, spaces>_ and spaces>%20 even... sudo included. i just cant get it do do anything but print an about statement for mp32ogg
[02:53] <tyl3r> don't know really
[02:53] <tyl3r> maybe 3200
[02:53] <maryen> try soundkonverter
[02:53] <maryen> 3200 @.@
[02:53] <jmichaelx>  are there any cups wizards in here? i am trying to configure this PC as a print server.... but when i 'lpq' from a client machine, i get 'no default destination available'. the machine with the printer is kubuntu edgy, the client machine is running kubuntu dapper
[02:53] <maryen> can't think of what you would need that much speed on a dual core for
[02:53] <apsog33> does anybody have a logitech G15 keyboard?
[02:54] <tyl3r> yeah, it's mainly for gamers
[02:54] <tyl3r> and overclockers
[02:54] <maryen> tyl3r, you do know that the speed they print for dual core processors are for only one core right
[02:54] <Linux_Galore_> campbch: usually you have to define the ripp rate and both the input and output file names
[02:54] <tyl3r> mmmm no
[02:54] <maryen> which means if you got an app that could use both cores you would have the equivalent of 6.4 ghz
[02:55] <Rakzor> woah....
[02:55] <tyl3r> o_O
[02:55] <Rakzor> 6.4 ghz?
[02:55] <maryen> yeah
[02:55] <apsog33> almost
[02:55] <Rakzor> Dang...
[02:55] <apsog33> it's not that efficient
[02:55] <maryen> mine if using an app made to use both cores comes out to be 3.4 theoretically*
[02:56] <campbch> hmm...
[02:56] <maryen> apsog33, bah it would be at least 5ghz
[02:57] <yokobr> hey
[02:57] <ArmedGeek> bah! i broke my sound!
[02:57] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: so if I right click on a DVD on kde desktop, go to properties, what is the maximum size for a single layer disk, in bytes?
[02:57] <maryen> the only thing i don't care for in edgy is that it scales processor speed automatically without any option to not do that
[02:57] <yokobr> im trying to install macosx x86, but it doesnt see my hd
[02:57] <yokobr> my mac doesnt see my sata hd......if i boot from "ultimate boot cd" it maybe see?
[02:58] <lugburz> german room?
[02:58] <lugburz> name of the german room?
[02:58] <maryen> although it does it 100x more effectively than dapper did so im not as bothered by it as i would be
[02:58] <maryen> !de
[02:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:58] <tyl3r> since I'm here I'm going to ask one more question
[02:58] <lugburz> merci
[02:58] <lugburz> ;)
[02:58] <edu> Hey I am  having a problem using Beryl
[02:58] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: I assume it should be 47000000, and 4.4GB
[02:58] <maryen> lugburz: lol
[02:58] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: data or iso ?
[02:58] <lugburz> lol?
[02:58] <tyl3r> do you guys have problems with the nvidia beta drivers on edgy?
[02:58] <campbch> soundkonverter does the trick :D
[02:58] <lugburz> was denn?
[02:58] <maryen> !fr
[02:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:59] <edu> when it starts it says "
[02:59] <edu> beryl: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[02:59] <edu> beryl: Failed to manage screen: 0
[02:59] <edu> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :1.0
[02:59] <tyl3r> I mean installing them
[02:59] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: a DVD movie disk
[02:59] <Rakzor> !sp
[02:59] <Rakzor> pffft
[02:59] <ubotu> sp: James Clark's SGML parsing tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.4-1.2.1-46ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 169 kB, installed size 592 kB
[02:59] <campbch> !es
[02:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:59] <Rakzor> Ah
[02:59] <campbch> cute
[02:59] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: well most dvd movies are dual layer now around 7.2Gb
[02:59] <tyl3r> see you guys
[02:59] <maryen> edu, you using nvidia driver?
[02:59] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: the one I have loaded now, says size is 4.4GB
[02:59] <maryen> cya tyl3r
[02:59] <tyl3r> oh
[03:00] <edu> no, i am using ati driver
[03:00] <tyl3r> ok see you and thanks a lot!!!!
[03:00] <poison> soy un novato de linux. estoy con el kubunto. podriais decirme algunas web interesantes para iniciarme con esto?
[03:00] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: tight wads
[03:00] <maryen> !es
[03:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:00] <edu> and i have followed a hint on the beryl page but there is a problem, there is no file
[03:00] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: its an old forein movie...
[03:00] <flaccid> dual layer is 8.5GB
[03:00] <maryen> edu, try using the open source driver
[03:00] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: thats the image size, it doesnt actually define the size of the dvd media
[03:01] <campbch> !jp
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <campbch> :D lol
[03:01] <edu> one thing
[03:01] <maryen> poor japanese
[03:01] <Rakzor> Lmao
[03:01] <edu> on the web page they tell to do this:
[03:01] <edu> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 compiz --replace gconf
[03:01] <edu> is in kubuntu the file located in another place?
[03:01] <maryen> are you using edgy or dapper?
[03:01] <edu> dapper
[03:01] <jmichaelx> is there an ubuntu cups room??
[03:02] <edu> and the driver is 8.27.10
[03:02] <maryen> its very difficult in dapper, you have to have xorg7.1 installed
[03:02] <maryen> you wouldn't have happened to compiled that yourself already have you?
[03:02] <edu> wow, i have a 56k connection :-( are the xorg files very heavy?
[03:03] <flaccid> hmm double-sided dual layer is 17GB
[03:03] <flaccid> didnt know that existed
[03:03] <Linux_Galore_> edu: lol 56k, now thats a piece of history right there
[03:03] <edu> I live in a village :-D
[03:03] <Rakzor> 17Gb...heh...
[03:03] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: ok, to be specific, I am trying to figure out whether I need to shrink this movie to copy it to a single layer blank, or if it will fit as is
[03:03] <maryen> i would suggest upgrading to edgy after it goes stable rather than trying to compile your own xorg
[03:03] <Rakzor> How big is it?
[03:03] <jmichaelx> a LOT of people are still on 56k connections
[03:03] <flaccid> bioticpro: size?
[03:03] <maryen> america is all the world that matters
[03:04] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: use k3b and just tell it to burn the iso, if its the wrong size it will complain
[03:04] <edu> I live in europe
[03:04] <maryen> who cares about those sub-people
[03:04] <edu> omg hahahaha
[03:04] <jmichaelx> actually, there are probably more people in the US on dial-up than in europe
[03:04] <bioticpro> flaccid: 4.4GB (4,672,020,624)
[03:05] <bioticpro> flaccid: thats the size kde tells me by right clicking on the DVD icon on desktop
[03:05] <maryen> edu: xorg seems to be difficult to compile
[03:05] <edu> It is funny to think that so many people is using a 90s technology
[03:05] <campbch> they ran an article about that awhile back... we CAN upgrade everything to provide cheap broadband to everyone, but supply and demand prevents... raise the supply too much, you have no profit
[03:05] <edu> hey maryen, about the free driver option
[03:05] <flaccid> well some things tell me that 4.7GB can fit finalised
[03:05] <jmichaelx> edu: you cannot get broadband in most rural areas in the US
[03:05] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: k3b wont allow you to burn an iso that doesnt fit the media
[03:05] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: if you not sure try it
[03:05] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: no harm done
[03:05] <maryen> edu: the free driver won't fix the problem unless you've got xorg7.1 installed
[03:06] <campbch> you can get satellite, if nothing else... and it gets better every year
[03:06] <flaccid> but other things say 4.3GB. do what Linux_Galore_ said and try burning it :)
[03:06] <edu> i could have satellite access but that would be very expansive
[03:06] <maryen> and sadly there aren't any packages for dapper
[03:06] <maryen> btw
[03:06] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: well, I don't actually have a burner yet, Im backing up some dvds first
[03:06] <jmichaelx> campbch: i had starband for a year and a half or so several years ago, and it sucked bad
[03:06] <maryen> edgy is going stable in like 6 days
[03:06] <edu> or WIMAX, but i'll have to wait another year
[03:06] <campbch> my mother lives in Peck, Mi, a pop 1000 something village in the middle of the thumb... she couldnt get cable, so she got satellite
[03:06] <campbch> yeah it sucked
[03:06] <maryen> so it won't be much of a wait
[03:06] <edu> :-(
[03:07] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: I like to play my dvds right off the HD instead
[03:07] <campbch> but then the next year they put lines in for cable
[03:07] <maryen> i heard that with satellite they ration your internet acess
[03:07] <campbch> so it's getting there
[03:07] <edu> so that problem is a xorg bug?
[03:07] <jmichaelx> maryen: it is true
[03:07] <campbch> you think they dont with cable? :p
[03:07] <bioticpro> you can play *.isos with kaffeine
[03:07] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: yeah kiso allows you to open an iso
[03:07] <maryen> edu: more like it wants a feature only 7.1 has
[03:07] <jmichaelx> and on a cloudy day your connection gets cut off over and over
[03:07] <maryen> edu: and dapper uses 7.0
[03:07] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: ok, so I can test it without acutally having a burner
[03:07] <edu> it depends on the contract you have, most of them are unidirectional and with a limited amount of MBs
[03:07] <maryen> jmichaelx: whats true
[03:08] <maryen> jmichaelx: rationing?
[03:08] <jmichaelx> yeah
[03:08] <maryen> jmichaelx: thats the ultimate level of gay
[03:08] <edu> Are there any plans about backporting xorg 7.1 to dapper?
[03:08] <Xal2> Kubuntu 6.10 is coming out soon, correct?
[03:08] <jmichaelx> i agree
[03:08] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: not sure, k3b tests the blank media before it burns so I doubt it will work
[03:08] <maryen> yes
[03:08] <maryen> edu: no there aren't at the moment
[03:08] <edu> I've heard that kubuntu edgy won't be shipped free, that's a pity,  since i won't be able to download it.
[03:09] <maryen> edu: but they might, dapper is suppsed to be LTS
[03:09] <edu> I see, maryen
[03:09] <flaccid> i thought edgy is an experimental release
[03:09] <maryen> edu: is there any way you could just upgrade your dapper through the repos?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: hmm might work there is a test mode in k3b
[03:09] <jmichaelx> maryen: yes
[03:09] <edu> btw, i have 3d accel but i tried war craft 3 in cedega and it ran terrible slow....
[03:10] <campbch> edgy is the next version, right? like dapper was when breezy was around? that's what i was under the impression of, at least
[03:10] <jmichaelx> oops
[03:10] <campbch> how does the versioning work?
[03:10] <maryen> edu: it would take a couple of days, but it would get you edgy faster than downloading the 700mb iso
[03:11] <maryen> campbch: dapper is supposed to be the main version for 3 or so years
[03:11] <edu> I can't have the   comp. downloading a couple of days, my fathers would get crazy
[03:11] <maryen> campbch: with the others being upgrades of it
[03:11] <edu> and my brothers want to chat and that stuff
[03:11] <Linux_Galore_> dapper = stable edgy = unstable
[03:11] <flaccid> maryen: support for 3 years. not main version for 3 years :)
[03:11] <maryen> flaccid: ah
[03:11] <edu> A bad thing about linux is that the narrow band connections seems to work worse than in windows
[03:11] <edu> I'll explain
[03:11] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: wtf
[03:11] <Linux_Galore_> also just because you run dapper doesnt mean you have to stick with an old kde desktop
[03:12] <campbch> well yeah
[03:12] <campbch> so
[03:12] <campbch> how old was breezy?
[03:12] <maryen> edu: if you do the upgrade during night time it will still work
[03:12] <edu> when you're in windows you can be chatting and downloading a file, and the chat will go on, but in linux, you put adept to download something
[03:12] <Linux_Galore_> right now I have dapper with kde 3.5.5
[03:12] <edu> and it's like if the program takes the whole connection to it
[03:12] <edu> (sorry for my little English :P)
[03:12] <maryen> edu: adept will keep the files it already downloaded, so you would still make progress
[03:13] <edu> i see! the cache
[03:13] <maryen> edu: yep
[03:13] <Linux_Galore_> campbch: 6 month release cycles do the math
[03:13] <campbch> i see...
[03:13] <maryen> either way, beryl is still not worth the upgrade
[03:14] <maryen> its still far too buggy and slow for day to day use
[03:14] <maryen> just nice for something to play with
[03:14] <edu> Or  a better option... a friend can download it for me, as I did before! but they'r getting tired of my linux downloads hahaha
[03:14] <maryen> lol
[03:14] <edu> i'll wait to the edgy release
[03:14] <maryen> want me to send you a link to the latest edgy iso?
[03:14] <maryen> k
[03:14] <Linux_Galore_> Im very happy with dapper so Im not updating for the hell of it
[03:14] <maryen> !edgy
[03:14] <edu> or perhaps mandriva 2007... has anyone tried it?
[03:14] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[03:15] <edu> It loosk good
[03:15] <maryen> !schedule
[03:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:15] <maryen> Edgy comes out on Oct 26
[03:15] <Linux_Galore_> edu: you need more than 512mb of ram or 2007 is a bit slow
[03:15] <edu> soon!
[03:15] <mando> hey maryen
[03:15] <maryen> mando: heya
[03:15] <mando> the solution u gave me worked just fine!
[03:15] <edu> I have 512
[03:16] <maryen> awesome
[03:16] <Linux_Galore_> edu: more than not 512
[03:16] <mando> let me upload my source.list
[03:16] <edu> :(
[03:16] <mando> so u can help me with my ati xgl problem
[03:16] <maryen> k
[03:16] <Linux_Galore_> edu: it will work but if you open a few things its a bit laggy
[03:16] <mando> after the source-o-matic upgrade the fglrx uses mesa
[03:16] <edu> So people were claiming about Vista, but Mandriva is also memory hungry! hehe
[03:17] <maryen> hey guys, remind me, the next time i buy a HD, make it a hitachi
[03:17] <Linux_Galore_> edu: depends, if you turn all the stupid services off its not too bad on 512
[03:17] <maryen> they have a very helpful guide for installing their drives on linux machines
[03:17] <edu> why hitachi? segate works fine :-P
[03:17] <flaccid> vista is horrible for mem usage
[03:18] <Linux_Galore_> Im intrested to see if the Mandriva Parallel boot method is better then the new setup in edgy
[03:18] <edu> Linux_Galore: So does mandriva come with a lot of unnecesary services activated by default?
[03:18] <maryen> you said the word that must not be spoken
[03:18] <flaccid> sounds like fedora hehe
[03:18] <mando> http://mandostudios.com/sources.list
[03:18] <edu> I remember that i was amazed about the huge memory consumption of windows me, and then i installed XP, it was.......worse! hhahahaha
[03:18] <maryen> doesn't "it" have 1gb of ram usage
[03:18] <maryen> ?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore_> edu: yes
[03:19] <Linux_Galore_> edu: dont forget mandriva is a kitchen sink distro
[03:19] <flaccid> ubuntu is more like a bar fridge
[03:19] <Linux_Galore_> edu: also get Mandriva Power Pack of a torrent not the standard version
[03:19] <flaccid> it can handle more than a few beers if required
[03:19] <soulrider> can someone here help me witht he grub ?
[03:19] <soulrider> i reisnatlled kubuntu
[03:20] <soulrider> and lost it, so i had to reinstall it
[03:20] <maryen> mando: you wanted to get xgl running on dapper?
[03:20] <flaccid> problem, soulrider?
[03:20] <soulrider> but when i try to load one of my OS
[03:20] <soulrider> it sais it cant find the partition
[03:20] <edu> IMHO kubuntu is great thanks to the apt-get system and the completely free service, in mandriva you have to manage with plfs and the package manager seems to be.......slow.
[03:20] <mando> i read somewhere that following the steps i did to install the ati driver and xgl again would solve it
[03:20] <flaccid> soulrider: try a sudo update-grub
[03:20] <Linux_Galore_> edu: yeah Mandriva uses smart (used to be urpmi) and its dog slow compared to apt-get
[03:20] <edu> yup, i know, the standard version is like........fedora of red hat
[03:20] <campbch> IMHO kubuntu is great because so far it hasn't fried my computer like slackware did :
[03:21] <maryen> mando: i really wouldn't suggest using xgl at the moment
[03:21] <campbch> :\ getting it running is one thing, getting it off is another
[03:21] <mando> yeah it was working just fine and fglrxinfo showed ati and xgl + beryl were working just fine until i did that stup full upgrade
[03:21] <mando> stupid*
[03:21] <edu> Slackware fried your computer? OMG!
[03:21] <maryen> hmm
[03:21] <soulrider> flaccid: im using the live CD since i cant load kubuntu
[03:21] <maryen> what's fglrx saying now?
[03:21] <mando> now even the login box of kubuntu has no borders around the space for the username and pass
[03:21] <campbch> OMG! when i went to reformat it to try something else, it stopped reading disks as bootable
[03:21] <mando> mesa
[03:21] <soulrider> that command told me i had no grub installed
[03:22] <soulrider> sorry, the error was: No GRUB directory found.
[03:22] <maryen> your ati driver broke then
[03:22] <campbch> and then there were problems with the mbr, and other things i cant remember
[03:22] <flaccid> soulrider: ah ok. you might need to edit the menu.lst manually
[03:22] <maryen> did you install it from the repos?
[03:22] <sorush20> !raid
[03:22] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[03:22] <mando> yes
[03:22] <maryen> ok gimme a sec
[03:22] <mando> perhaps the linux restricted modules need to be updated?
[03:23] <campbch> !ubotu
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[03:23] <soulrider> flaccid: can you guide me please ?
[03:23] <soulrider> im NEVER gonna try to isnatll suse again
[03:23] <soulrider> it screwed my whole system up
[03:23] <campbch> :p
[03:23] <soulrider> maybe if i try to reinstall kubuntu
[03:23] <soulrider> again...
[03:23] <campbch> suse was right before slack, and i didnt have any problems with it
[03:23] <Linux_Galore_> someone needs to create a dapper->edgy easy update script
[03:23] <maryen> nah, we'll just have you install the driver from the ati site
[03:23] <maryen> gimme a sec
[03:23] <soulrider> i just reinstalled it but never managed to actually get into it
[03:23] <mando> i had it already installed before i ran xgl
[03:24] <soulrider> well i tried to install suse and it never installed a grub
[03:24] <soulrider> i could never get into it
[03:24] <flaccid> soulrider: so whats the status of the partitions. is the kubuntu partitions ok?
[03:24] <soulrider> and i could get into windows either, whcih is on another partition
[03:24] <soulrider> yeah, i just reinstalled
[03:24] <mando> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Installing_Dapper.27s_Included_Driver_.2<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:24] <soulrider> i just cant access any of my OS
[03:24] <mando> i followed these instructions
[03:24] <flaccid> so what happens on boot now?
[03:24] <Linux_Galore_> soulrider: suse asks you if you want to install the bootloader in the mbr, if not your suposed to insert a floppy
[03:24] <maryen> so you installed the driver from the ati site, or the one from the repositories
[03:24] <flexan> hello
[03:25] <soulrider> i reinstalled grub,a nd i see my Os options
[03:25] <soulrider> but when i slect one fo them
[03:25] <soulrider> it sais partition not found
[03:25] <mando> that link i gave you.. whatever that is lol
[03:25] <maryen> did you use method 1
[03:25] <maryen> ?
[03:25] <mando> yeah
[03:25] <mando> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143283
[03:25] <flexan> boot 6.10 RC x86 version my comp hangs at the Kubuntu splash screen at the first bar for progress
[03:25] <mando> this looks like my problem
[03:26] <sorush20> any howtos on how to setup linux software raids for two hdd eide and one ide port
[03:26] <mando> does this solve it?
[03:26] <flexan> booting*
[03:26] <Linux_Galore_> flexan: does the same for me, welcome to using unstable software
[03:26] <flexan> hehe
[03:26] <maryen> maybe
[03:26] <maryen> first lets get some stuff removed
[03:26] <mando> okk
[03:26] <flexan> i went ahead and removed the splash and quiet options and I found the error
[03:26] <flexan> but not sure why i am getting it
[03:27] <flaccid> soulrider: can you mount the / partition of kubuntu?
[03:27] <flaccid> from live cd
[03:27] <mando> start with what?
[03:27] <flexan> it is: Buffer I/O error on device hdc logical block 355386
[03:27] <soulrider> i can
[03:27] <soulrider> but
[03:27] <soulrider> its sda5 and when it ry to mount it
[03:27] <maryen> 'sudo apt-get remove linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx --purge' in konsole
[03:27] <soulrider> it sais its my swap
[03:27] <soulrider> and my swap is sda6
[03:27] <soulrider> when i try to mount sda6
[03:27] <flexan> hdc is my dvd/cd driver that I am botting the livecd from
[03:27] <soulrider> it mounds it as if it were my root
[03:27] <flexan> booting*
[03:28] <soulrider> flaccid: should i mount sda6 anyways >
[03:28] <soulrider> ?
[03:28] <flexan> i went ahead and reburned the CD at 4x in case that was the problem, but nope, didn't solve the issue
[03:28] <flaccid> so you can mount the / part. can you access /boot/grub/menu.lst from the kubuntu / part?
[03:28] <soulrider> let me try
[03:28] <mando> ok done
[03:28] <flexan> some searches turned up results of this same problem on old drives that don't support enwer formats. but my drive is only a year old
[03:29] <flexan> the weird thing is that gparted and linspire boot fine
[03:29] <mando> whats next
[03:29] <flexan> so it is a kubuntu issue
[03:29] <maryen> now do 'sudo apt-get install irssi'
[03:30] <soulrider> flaccid: i mounted it
[03:30] <soulrider> and apparently i dont have that file
[03:30] <soulrider> uhm just a se
[03:30] <soulrider> ci think i amde a typ0
[03:30] <mando> irssi newest version
[03:30] <mando> no change
[03:30] <soulrider> ah yea, its there
[03:30] <maryen> its already installed?
[03:30] <maryen> good
[03:31] <soulrider> should i change sda6 for sda5 ?
[03:31] <maryen> if something should happen and your computer crashes, you won't have a gui\
[03:31] <soulrider> and hd0,5 for hd0,4 ?
[03:32] <flaccid> um soulrider i'm not sure of your disk order
[03:32] <mando> ok whats next maryen?
[03:32] <soulrider> should i send a screenshot of qtparted ?
[03:32] <maryen> if that happens, login using your username like the cli prompt asks, and type in irssi, then /network irc.freenode.net then /channel #kubuntu
[03:32] <maryen> that way i can talk you through it
[03:32] <maryen> anyway
[03:33] <flaccid> soulrider: ok
[03:33] <mando> should i re-install the things we just removed?
[03:33] <maryen> no
[03:33] <maryen> we're gonna install the regular driver
[03:34] <mando> ok
[03:34] <maryen> it doesn't break as much or as easily
[03:34] <httpdss> im trying to use keep for backup, the thing is that as destination i select remote:/Backup (which references smb://192.168.xxx.xxx/Backup) ... when trying to backup, log shows error, as if i dont have RW access to that share, but i do have RW access through konqueror... any clue? can someone repeat this ?
[03:34] <maryen> download this: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run
[03:35] <ala-van> i am trying to mount an external usb drive... i used sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/myusb but that would only give root permission to use.  how can i can permission for everyone to use it?
[03:35] <mando> open with?
[03:35] <mando> run in terminal?
[03:35] <soulrider> flaccid: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3798/snapshot1nc9.png sda1 is windows and sda5 is kubuntu
[03:35] <bioticpro> kaffeine users here, where is the setting to stop kaffeine from autoplaying DVDs?
[03:35] <maryen> save it
[03:36] <mando> wow 55.1 mb!
[03:36] <maryen> yeo
[03:36] <maryen> yep*
[03:36] <mando> that should take a while
[03:36] <mando> i'm on a 256 kb/s connection
[03:36] <maryen> ooh
[03:36] <mando> this driver should be able to support xgl?
[03:36] <maryen> yes
[03:36] <mando> cool :D
[03:37] <mando> ok time for frozen bubble :D
[03:37] <mando> will be back later
[03:37] <mando> thanks for ur help so far maryen i appreciate it
[03:37] <flaccid> soulrider: looks like hd(1,3) ?
[03:37] <soulrider> whi 3 ?
[03:38] <edu> i am leaving, bye!
[03:38] <maryen> no problem
[03:38] <maryen> bye edy
[03:38] <Rakzor> edu: bye!
[03:38] <maryen> edu*
[03:39] <Ahmuck> !codecs
[03:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:39] <flaccid> soulrider: sorry its disk 1, part 2 (second disk, third partition)  hd(1,2)
[03:40] <soulrider> but not part 3, its part 1 and part 5
[03:40] <soulrider> =/
[03:40] <flaccid> or maybe hd(1,a)
[03:41] <cellofellow> soulrider: grub starts counting at zero, so hda1 is hd(0,0)
[03:41] <soulrider> im gonna pastebin my grub file ok
[03:41] <soulrider> so you take a look at it
[03:41] <soulrider> !pastebin
[03:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:41] <maryen> whats the ETA on that file mando
[03:41] <maryen> ?
[03:41] <flaccid> soulrider: maybe i am reading wrong. please read http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Naming-convention
[03:41] <mando> 30 min :S
[03:41] <soulrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27735/
[03:42] <mando> or less i believe
[03:42] <mando> 9 mb so far
[03:42] <maryen> k
[03:42] <cellofellow> anybody know how to configure kxdocker? whenever I use the configuration utility it just fizzles out sometimes and always loads the defaults when I log in.
[03:42] <mando> if you have to go or something just give me some instructions to follow and i'll take it from there
[03:43] <maryen> mando: im gonna play around with AIGLX for a bit
[03:43] <maryen> say my name when you need me
[03:43] <flaccid> soulrider: does xp mce load from the that grub entry?
[03:43] <mando> ok sure
[03:43] <soulrider> nope
[03:43] <soulrider> i just changed some stuff
[03:43] <soulrider> im gonna see if it works now
[03:43] <cellofellow> kxdocker? anybody know how to use it?
[03:43] <soulrider> ill BRB
[03:44] <flaccid> soulrider: primary first part is hd(0,0)
[03:44] <flaccid> second disk, first part is hd(1,0)
[03:45] <flaccid> hey i could be wrong
[03:45] <flaccid> try #grub :)
[03:46] <maryen> mando: if i may suggest it, i would say edgy with aiglx is much nicer than xgl, more stable too
[03:46] <Rakzor> Hey can anyone tell me what the command "bash" does in linux? I don't wanna try it without knowin what it does...
[03:46] <mando> but is edgy itself stable?
[03:46] <maryen> pretty much
[03:46] <maryen> im running it myself right now
[03:46] <mando> i fell in love with beryl
[03:46] <maryen> beryl works with AIGLX too
[03:47] <maryen> its what im using atm
[03:47] <mando> cool
[03:47] <mando> ok then perhaps i can upgrade to edgy after i install the ati driver
[03:47] <maryen> not to mention you can watch video in aiglx
[03:47] <maryen> in xgl its very buggy and can mess up your system
[03:48] <mando> well videos worked great on xgl before it broke down :(
[03:48] <mando> and transparent and all
[03:48] <maryen> hmm maybe it was just the early version of xgl i had used
[03:49] <maryen> mind you i had tried it 4 months ago or so
[03:49] <mando> ah ok
[03:49] <maryen> aiglx is just much easier to get working without tweaks
[03:50] <mando> will give it a shot after getting my ati driver ready
[03:50] <maryen> k
[03:51] <maryen> btw
[03:51] <maryen> mando, have you tried rain on your beryl yet?
[03:51] <maryen> its very nice
[03:51] <mando> whats rain?
[03:51] <maryen> activate it with shift+f9
[03:51] <maryen> its a water effect
[03:51] <mando> no xgl now :(
[03:51] <mando> running on kde
[03:52] <maryen> makes your desktop look like the surface of a puddle
[03:52] <mando> wow
[03:52] <mando> very cool
[03:52] <maryen> itll be working in just a bit
[03:52] <mando> 23 mb so far
[03:52] <mando> i hate slow internet connections
[03:52] <maryen> i have fiber optic with verizon
[03:52] <cellofellow_> so, anyone know how to use kxdocker?
[03:52] <maryen> 15 mb/s download speed
[03:52] <mando> when i was studying in germany this summer i was downloading at 3.5 mbps
[03:52] <mando> neat :D
[03:52] <maryen> 4 mb/s upload
[03:53] <maryen> i love it alot
[03:53] <mando> well egypt sucks.. we dont have these fast connections
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: bas yala
[03:53] <maryen> eh i know how you feel sorta
[03:53] <mando> yo cvirus
[03:53] <mando> 3amel eh
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: how is it goin' dude ?
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: not bad
[03:53] <mando> cool
[03:53] <pierreth> hello
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: I'll brb .. phone
[03:54] <mando> i tried messagin u a couple of days ago on this channel
[03:54] <mando> ok dude
[03:54] <maryen> i was living in a dorm, that while we had good speeds, every port other than 80 was blocked off
[03:54] <pierreth> Any here using gnucash?
[03:54] <maryen> meaning no irc, no chat, no p2p, no torrent, etc
[03:54] <cellofellow_> maryen: no pop/imap/smtp either?
[03:54] <mando> yeah i feel u.. in the dorms in germany it was pretty much the same..
[03:55] <maryen> cellofellow_: yep
[03:55] <mando> no i believe they leave these ports open
[03:55] <mando> damn.. thats too much
[03:55] <maryen> cellofellow_: it was draconian
[03:55] <mando> ah btw.. how do i register
[03:55] <mando> i need to be able to pm
[03:56] <campbch> . /msg nickserv register <pass>
[03:57] <cellofellow_> I just did that and screwwed up. wrong password and wrong nick. how do I unregister?
[03:58] <campbch> you... dont? just change your nick and re-register
[03:58] <cellofellow_> uh, ok. for some reason I can't sign on with the nick I usually use, cellofellow. says it's in use and I'm the only user of it.
[03:58] <Mandoz> and how do i log in?
[03:59] <campbch> :o make a violafellow?
[03:59] <maryen> ./msg nickserv identify <pass>
[03:59] <Mandoz> cool
[03:59] <campbch> shamisenfellow, if you're in an eastern mood :D
[03:59] <Ahmuck> !codecs
[03:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:59] <campbch> ack goodnight
[03:59] <Mandoz> 33.6 / 55.1 mb so far
[04:01] <cellofellow> would it be possible to change my nickserve password?
[04:01] <maryen> not without a freenode mod
[04:02] <cellofellow> oh, well.
[04:02] <otaku-san> is there something that can go through my source list and check for bad sources?
[04:02] <maryen> your status Mandoz
[04:02] <maryen> ?
[04:03] <cellofellow> so, anybody know how to configure kxdocker so that all those aliases pointing to /var/run and /poc/bus/usb and other things go away?
[04:03] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: you could make a new sources.list
[04:04] <maryen> never used kxdocker
[04:04] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: the only time I tried kxdocker, I thought I right-clicked and deleted stuff
[04:05] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: or else it was in the configuration menu
[04:05] <cellofellow> I tried kooldock for a long time cause kxdocker wouldn't keep my settings, but kooldock has more bugs than an ant farm.
[04:05] <CVirus> Mandoz: with ya
[04:05] <CVirus> Mandoz: /join #EgLUG
[04:05] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: yeah, you'd think, but they come back when I restart the program.
[04:05] <Mandoz> hey sorry was on the phone
[04:05] <Mandoz> 42.1 mb
[04:05] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: no idea, then
[04:05] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon:  true...but there may be a source I need but forget it in the new list
[04:06] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: make a new one, then replace only the similar lines in your sources.list, that way you don't change the others
[04:06] <maryen> k
[04:07] <soulrider> damn
[04:07] <soulrider> i reinstalled
[04:07] <soulrider> and im still getting that error
[04:07] <Hawkwind> soulrider: What error ?
[04:08] <maryen> hey soulrider, did you install suse 10.1?
[04:08] <soulrider> cant find partition
[04:08] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: Do you mean from scratch
[04:08] <soulrider> yes
[04:08] <soulrider> and it didnt install a grub
[04:08] <maryen> eww you poor man
[04:08] <sorush20> hi there is an error in my /var/lib/dpkg/status file ..
[04:08] <soulrider> so i reinsatlle dkubuntu
[04:08] <soulrider> and its all screwed up
[04:08] <soulrider> i cant access any of my OS
[04:08] <sorush20> how can I make sure its fixed please?
[04:08] <CVirus> !ati
[04:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:08] <maryen> try wiping your home partition, then reinstalling
[04:08] <maryen> back it up first of course
[04:08] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: use easysource to make a new one, and when its done compare the web page to your copy, replacing the similar lines
[04:09] <soulrider> i got 2 partitioons, one for root and one swap
[04:09] <soulrider> i dotn ahve a partition for home
[04:09] <soulrider> i see kubuntu and windows in ym grub
[04:09] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ahhh...ok I google easysource and do that
[04:09] <soulrider> but they both give me a cant mount partition error
[04:09] <otaku-san> I'll*
[04:09] <BonBonTheJon> !easysource
[04:09] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:09] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: ^^^
[04:09] <maryen> did you format your root partition when you installed ubuntu?
[04:09] <otaku-san> ...that's even better
[04:10] <silvania> heya
[04:10] <sorush20> hers is the paste for it http://pastebin.co.uk/4475
[04:10] <maryen> soulrider: ?
[04:10] <soulrider> i see my grub and my OSes, but when i press enter i get a cant mount partition error
[04:10] <soulrider> meaning i cant get  into any of OSes
[04:10] <soulrider> im using the liveCD
[04:11] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: I know some of my sources which are giving me errors..so I'll leave those out...is there some thing I could put a source into and it checks it to see if it's ok?
[04:11] <maryen> soulrider: did you format your root partition when you reinstalled ubuntu?
[04:11] <sorush20> as you can see the maintainer and version bracket is messed up, anyone don't know how it happed now I sudo apt-get -f install or remove doesn't work.. and sudo dpkg --configure -a dosen't work either
[04:11] <soulrider> of cours
[04:11] <soulrider> e
[04:11] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: not as far as I know
[04:11] <BonBonTheJon> soulrider: you can reconfigure grub
[04:12] <maryen> hmm dunno whats going on then
[04:12] <soulrider> can you help me do that ?
[04:12] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: what would it take to make such a thing...
[04:12] <maryen> shouldn't ubuntu have auto configured grub though
[04:12] <maryen> ?
[04:12] <soulrider> it does
[04:13] <soulrider> but i dunno whats happening
[04:13] <soulrider> damn suse
[04:13] <maryen> and why is his old setting remaing after he fried his root partition
[04:13] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: what if giving errors
[04:13] <soulrider> i need to solve this ASAP, especially becaus ei need tow ork with my computer
[04:13] <soulrider> i dont think running java and eclipse form the live CD is a good idea :P
[04:14] <Rakzor> Um, can I undo rm -rf /   ?
[04:14] <CVirus> maryen: I was wondering why did you ask Mandoz to remove the linux-restricted-modules ?
[04:14] <sorush20> I guess no one can help ?
[04:14] <Mandoz> maryen file downloaded successfully
[04:14] <silvania> I'm having problems with my USB mouse and i tried to search for it, but im not able to find a solution, just how to restart usb device.
[04:14] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: actually some of these on the easysource are the ones giving me errors...such as the opera one and Cipherfunk
[04:14] <silvania> USB mouse is stopping on random intervals.
[04:14] <CVirus> maryen: why are you asking him to install a driver not in the repos ?
[04:15] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: just comment out those
[04:15] <soulrider> so, any ideas of what i can do witht he grub ?
[04:15] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: and try it again
[04:15] <Mandoz> anyway the file is downloaded and ready to go
[04:15] <maryen> CVirus: drivers not in the repos aren't subject to the same problems as the repo drivers
[04:15] <Mandoz> whats the next step?
[04:16] <CVirus> maryen: if you dont mind ... for how long have you been using Kubuntu ?
[04:16] <maryen> kubuntu, i would say maybe half a year or longer
[04:16] <maryen> with previous experience in suse for a year and a half
[04:16] <CVirus> maryen: and for how long have you been using GNU/Linux ?
[04:16] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ok...I'll first make a back up of the source list I have...make this easysource one and update&upgrade with it...then if it works I'll use it and add any missing that I have in my old list
[04:16] <maryen> CVirus: if you wish to take over, be my guest
[04:17] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: basically the same thing...just a bit of a round way
[04:17] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: you can comment a repository out and test to see if it still works
[04:17] <CVirus> maryen: no way .. I'm new to Kubuntu ... and I wanted to know how are you thinking
[04:17] <Mandoz> maryen if you'd please tell me what to do next :D
[04:17] <Rakzor> Anyone know if I can format a hdd in Kubuntu, and if so, how?
[04:17] <maryen> ok
[04:17] <maryen> mandoz: sudo apt-get update
[04:18] <BonBonTheJon> Rakzor: new hard drive
[04:18] <CVirus> Rakzor: apt-get install qtparted
[04:18] <BonBonTheJon> ?
[04:18] <Rakzor> Thanks CVirus.
[04:18] <CVirus> Rakzor: No problem
[04:18] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: true.....I just need that opera source....I'll do the comment part first then
[04:18] <maryen> Mandoz: if you want to continue on your own, im going on the instructions of method 2
[04:19] <maryen> you are at the install necessary tools part
[04:19] <Mandoz> well i'd appreciate it if u can guide me if you have the time
[04:19] <maryen> ok
[04:19] <maryen> now do sudo apt-get install module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debconf libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:20] <Mandoz> okk
[04:20] <maryen> CVirus: my reasoning, is the packaged drivers are usually not as up to date as possible, as well as easily broken if linux-restricted-modules aren't kept in step
[04:21] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ahhh it's the keys causing havoc....I thought so...ok
[04:22] <maryen> reason for uninstall of linux-restricted-modules is i've had a history of it interfering with non-packaged drivers before, but i doubt it will affect him in this case, so he can probably reinstall it
[04:22] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: add the keys, hopefully it will clear up the problems
[04:22] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: I'm looking at the errors and they're all .gpg's  I'll find the keys and try that
[04:23] <BonBonTheJon> !gpg
[04:23] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[04:23] <BonBonTheJon> that didnt help
[04:23] <maryen> what are you trying to install otaku-san
[04:23] <CVirus> maryen: got that
[04:23] <maryen> what repo
[04:24] <CVirus> maryen: but why didnt test the drivers in the repos first and if they fail .. then you would proceed with the steps you
[04:24] <CVirus> you're doing right now*
[04:24] <maryen> CVirus: the drivers in the repos already broke on him
[04:24] <Mandoz> i did a fglrxinfo and it didnt show up my ati driver.. if thats a test
[04:24] <Ahmuck> w32codecs
[04:24] <Ahmuck> !w32codecs
[04:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:25] <maryen> mandoz, you finished installing that stuff?
[04:25] <CVirus> maryen: they were working before he messed with XGL .. which proves that its not the driver's fault
[04:25] <Mandoz> downloading 20 mb
[04:25] <Mandoz> almost done
[04:25] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: most of the keys I need are in the easy source...and it shows how to add a key...should for the sources not on easysource...should I google em' and see if that gets the key?
[04:25] <maryen> CVirus: they broke after he did an update
[04:25] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: what other sources do you have, can you pastebin your sources.list
[04:26] <maryen> Mandoz: ok
[04:26] <aghalab> nick antaw
[04:26] <BonBonTheJon> missed the slash
[04:26] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: yeah...and I'll comment the ones with bad keys
[04:27] <maryen> with this driver, the only time it will break during an update would be on kernel version updates, and those aren't terribly common
[04:27] <antaw> thanks
[04:29] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: well one is a kubuntu error....and there's alot of kubuntu packages...and the key gives nothing to show which one it is...so I'll just pastebin the source
[04:30] <maryen> you ready Mandoz?
[04:31] <Mandoz> 2 more minutes.. sorry.. shitty internet connection
[04:31] <maryen> np
[04:31] <flaccid> how to disable * Checking all filesystems.. on boot?
[04:31] <maryen> that should be the last of the downloading btw
[04:31] <Mandoz> i know that :D
[04:31] <maryen> lemme check
[04:32] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: Here you are  http://pastebin.ca/214566
[04:32] <Mandoz> oh no i dont lol.. i just know how to disable checking fat32 paritions.. thanks to maryen
[04:32] <Fleebailey33> anyone use mol ?
[04:32] <abattoir> flaccid: edit /etc/fstab, and for the respective partition,  change the flag for checking to 0
[04:33] <abattoir> flaccid: it's generally the last one, '<pass>'
[04:33] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: do you need all of those, I've never heard of most of them
[04:33] <flaccid> thanks abbotoir
[04:34] <Mandoz> ok downloaded
[04:34] <maryen> ok now enter 'bash ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper' into konsole
[04:34] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ok.....man...your like the 5th person to say that....blame Hawkwind ;)  It's from his tut
[04:34] <maryen> oh wait
[04:35] <maryen> first change directory to wherever the driver was downloaded
[04:35] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: you said you needed opera
[04:35] <thompa> has anybody tried kubuntu-64?
[04:35] <maryen> if you were using Firefox, that would be 'cd Desktop'
[04:35] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ya...I use it...so I need it to update
[04:35] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: back up you sources.list, then use easy-source to make a new one, you can copy over sources that you need in the new one as you find them
[04:36] <abattoir> thompa: yes, i've
[04:36] <Mandoz> ok
[04:36] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: I think it will make life easier
[04:36] <lascar> I have no sound on my computer; alsa does not appear to be a running process.  Help, anyone?
[04:36] <thompa> abattoir: ive been trying to install thr egy rc 64, it will only boot acpi=off
[04:36] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: just a suggestion
[04:36] <abattoir> otaku-san: also you don't need the deb-src entry if you don't plan on frequently downloading the sources for the packages in main, universe etc.
[04:37] <abattoir> *deb-src entries
[04:37] <thompa> abattoir: but 386 install fine
[04:37] <abattoir> thompa: the live cd?
[04:37] <thompa> if i go with acpi=off , my keyboard dont work and the install is finsihed (hopeless)
[04:37] <thompa> abattoir: yes
[04:38] <maryen> Mandoz: done?
[04:38] <Mandoz> ok done
[04:38] <Mandoz> whats next?
[04:38] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: oh well that would take off quite a bit in the source list...I'll use the easy source one with all of the packs and sources checked...
[04:38] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: that should be good for me
[04:38] <maryen> in konsole 'sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_8.29.6-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i fglrx-kernel-source_8.29.6-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i fglrx-control_8.29.6-1_i386.deb'
[04:38] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: make sure you back up
[04:39] <abattoir> thompa: can you check if the bug is similar to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/66929 ?
[04:39] <abattoir> thompa: if it is, then it's a known bug and should be fixed for the release
[04:39] <thompa> abattoir: my first error was mp-bios bug 8254, whcih means its a multi=processor issue, then freeze at io scheduler
[04:39] <thompa> abattoir: thanks
[04:39] <Mandoz> done
[04:39] <maryen> ok
[04:39] <lascar> I have no sound on my computer; alsa does not appear to be a running process.  Help, anyone?
[04:40] <maryen> it finished without any errors?
[04:40] <thompa> all the other earlier versions installed, this time there is no workaround that works
[04:40] <Mandoz> yes
[04:40] <maryen> ok then 'sudo rm /usr/src/fglrx-kernel*.deb'
[04:40] <Mandoz> no such file or directory
[04:40] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: everytime....and update&upgrade...one time forgot to do that...kinda borked adept for a while
[04:40] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: okay you here?
[04:40] <kkathman> yah
[04:41] <maryen> thats fine
[04:41] <kkathman> pm
[04:41] <thompa> abattoir: i think the problem is with the kernel anyway, its same on some other distros with 64 versions
[04:41] <Ahmuck> !w32codecs
[04:41] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: on the kubuntu install? and have irssi started as  screen irssi
[04:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:41] <maryen> ok mandoz almost done
[04:41] <Mandoz> cool :D
[04:41] <abattoir> thompa: oh ok, then it won't get fixed for edgy, i guess
[04:41] <lascar> !alsa
[04:41] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:41] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  yeo I started a pm with you
[04:42] <thompa> it should be patched anyway
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> hmmm it didn't come to me
[04:42] <maryen> 'sudo module-assistant prepare && sudo module-assistant update && sudo module-assistant build fglrx && sudo module-assistant install fglrx && sudo depmod -a'
[04:42] <kkathman> oh wait
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: did you pm T3hWiz0rd-server? lol
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: lol
[04:42] <maryen> in konsole
[04:42] <kkathman> yah byt I didnt identify..hold on
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: we can do it here actually
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> maybe other people will throw ideas in
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> keep it public
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> since xorg seemed to of removed itself
[04:43] <thompa> its acpi that needs to fixed, i wonder if anyone with amd 64 duo core can install it, i doubt
[04:43] <t3hwiz0rd-server> get out of your screen session by hitting Control a d
[04:43] <t3hwiz0rd-server> to renter screen, type screen -r
[04:43] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Hey why are there French sources in your source.list?
[04:43] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[04:43] <Mandoz> and done
[04:43] <maryen> ok
[04:43] <thompa> ill just stick with 386 until final then try 64 again
[04:44] <maryen> 'sudo aticonfig --initial && sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=xv
[04:44] <Mandoz> done
[04:44] <Mandoz> thats it i believe right?
[04:44] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: What's wrong with having French sources ?  There are things I need/want in other sourcs
[04:44] <maryen> say goodbye and type 'sudo shutdown -r now'
[04:44] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: and other non-US sources...do they release stuff the US sources doesn't have?
[04:45] <Mandoz> bye bye everyone :D and thanks a million maryen!!
[04:45] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Repos are repos. They can contain anything they want really.  Just depends on what that builder chooses to build
[04:45] <maryen> but yes, aside from a restart you're done
[04:46] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: ok it installed but didnt write the config file as it says that its been customized
[04:46] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: hehehe nothing...I've just always wondered if they had something else...it's a question thats been nagging on me everytime I look at my source list...kinda cool actually...I'm going to include them in my new source list
[04:46] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: and you answered it
[04:48] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: hmmm okay.
[04:48] <cellofellow> Hawkwing, you ever used kxdocker?
[04:48] <cellofellow> hawdwind
[04:48] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: I don't use KDE, sorry
[04:48] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: now, run the nvidia-glx-conf enable command
[04:48] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: then try to restart kde by doing sudo /et/init.d/kdm start
[04:48] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: but your on kubuntu forum? are you just an any-buntu person?
[04:49] <mando> and thanks to maryen.. xgl is up and running :D
[04:49] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: I use E17 as my window manager.  I use Kubuntu because I prefer to see KDE over Gnome if I need to
[04:49] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: rule of thumb in linux is if you have a shell its not broken lol
[04:49] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: aww, E17.
[04:49] <t3hwiz0rd-server> if you lose shell, THEN you're screwed lol
[04:50] <BonBonTheJon> what anti-virus do people suggest
[04:50] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: nvidia-glx-conf isnt found
[04:50] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: anti-virus?
[04:50] <mando> cant thank you enough maryen
[04:50] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:50] <maryen> mando: from now on, if you notice anything about the kernel updating or anything follow the method 2 steps from bash ati-driver... to 'sudo shutdown -r now' and that will fix it
[04:50] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: its for a windows machine, but I'm looking for free/open-source anti-virus
[04:51] <maryen> np mando
[04:51] <mando> cool then :D
[04:51] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: did that... says its "at its latest version"
[04:51] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: oh, uh, i've never used open source AV, but Grisoft's AVG is great and free as in beer.
[04:51] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: its nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:51] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: my bad
[04:51] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: yeah, thats my first idea
[04:51] <maryen> want to try your wireless now?
[04:52] <mando> yes please :D
[04:52] <maryen> ok first of all type iwconfig into konsole
[04:52] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: deb-src is for sources...wouldn't I want that?
[04:52] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: I don't see how an open source project could possibly maintain a good virus database. Unless they run totally on heuristic analysis...
[04:52] <mando> ok and?
[04:52] <maryen> there will be a list of names, lo, eth0, etc..
[04:53] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: only if you plan on compiling from source, most likely not
[04:53] <maryen>  do any of them have anything beside 'no wireless extensions'?
[04:53] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: oh, I remembered...what about ClamAV
[04:53] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: says "Not starting because KDE isnt the default display manager
[04:53] <maryen> if so tell me which one
[04:53] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: odd, did it install gnome?
[04:53] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: never tried it. supposed to be really good though.
[04:53] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: only time I compile is if I get it from a tar somewhere...never on adept
[04:54] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: well not adept....but you get my meaning
[04:54] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: probably can leave it out
[04:54] <mando> !pastebin
[04:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:54] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: will do.
[04:54] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[04:54] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: maybe? lol
[04:54] <mando> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27741/
[04:54] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: if you need them, it is only the other lines changed to deb-src
[04:55] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: should I do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?? even though I upgraded with gksudo update-manager -c -d ??
[04:55] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: true...true
[04:55] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: its worth a shot.
[04:55] <maryen> mando: what is your wireless network's name?
[04:55] <kkathman> methinks nalioth didnt realize I was in kubuntu desktop
[04:55] <kkathman> ok
[04:55] <mando> 3Com
[04:55] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: theres a chance its that you updated it to a ubuntu box and removed kubuntu lol
[04:56] <cellofellow> kkathman: I've read that aptitude is better at removing dependancies than apt-get. try sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <maryen> mando: any wep keys?
[04:56] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: cellofellow's got a point
[04:56] <maryen> mando: any special settings?
[04:56] <cellofellow> kkathman: if you ever want to reinstall
[04:56] <cellofellow> uninstall
[04:56] <maryen> there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with your hardware
[04:56] <mando> yeah i have a wep key
[04:57] <mando> shared
[04:57] <mando> shared key
[04:57] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  that didnt work either
[04:57] <maryen> have you set your system to use it properly?
[04:57] <Xal2> When identifying my root drive in grub, do I need to use hd for an SATA drive? or is it different?
[04:57] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  tried startx and still getting an NVIDIA error msg
[04:57] <mando> i am not sure
[04:57] <mando> i tried everything
[04:57] <mando> its text.. something like : example1.
[04:58] <mando> i use the wireless assistant and enter the wep key and still it doesnt work
[04:58] <cellofellow> kkathman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg has never failed me on installing nvidia drivers
[04:58] <maryen> try disbling the wep key
[04:58] <kkathman> cellofellow:  Im baffled on that tho
[04:59] <kkathman> cellofellow:  I launch it and I guess Im not putting in the right things
[04:59] <maryen> kkathman what version ubuntu you using?
[04:59] <kkathman> I've been taking the defaults
[04:59] <maryen> 6.10?
[04:59] <kkathman> maryen  I tried to upgrade from dapper to edgy
[04:59] <cellofellow> kkathman: the program is pretty easy I think. just answer all the questions about screen type, and driver. I had to turn on kernel framebuffer to get hardware acceleration but that's my old card.
[04:59] <mando> ok brb
[04:59] <mando> i'll log in to the other network and disable the wep
[05:00] <nalioth> kkathman: ?
[05:00] <kkathman> cellofellow:  well, when do I tell it to use the nvidia-glx driver then?
[05:00] <maryen> kkathman: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-kernel* --purge and install the driver from the website
[05:00] <cellofellow> kkathman: when it's configuring the card, it ways something about drivers, default is nv, right below it is nvidia, select that.
[05:00] <ghost> hi, is there a program for kubuntu to make iso images?
[05:01] <kkathman> ugh if I remove the nvidia it also removes xserver-xorg
[05:01] <cellofellow> kkathman: what? that can't be right.
[05:01] <kkathman> cellofellow: I never get that...
[05:01] <kkathman> ok I'll try again
[05:01] <maryen> kkathman: it shouldn't do that
[05:01] <maryen> kkathman: post what it says in postbin please
[05:01] <cellofellow> kkathman: what card do you have?
[05:03] <cellofellow> just reading online news. firefox 2 scheduled for Oct. 24th.
[05:04] <maryen> cellofellow: the nvidia drivers in the repos are broken in edgy atm
[05:04] <cellofellow> kkathman's using edgy? I guess it's a little bit on the dge still.
[05:04] <maryen> ya just a bit
[05:05] <cellofellow> that's why I haven't upgraded yet. I've had enough problems with dapper, (my own fault usually.)
[05:05] <ghost> anyone know if there is a program for kubuntu to make iso images?
[05:05] <maryen> aside from having to manually install graphics drivers, edgy is more stable for me than dapper
[05:05] <xsacha> growisofs?
[05:06] <cellofellow> ghost: like a graphical program?
[05:06] <Brydenn33> whats the command to see what version of (k)ubuntu you are running?
[05:06] <ghost> not necessarily graphical
[05:06] <maryen> i wouldn't know Brydenn33
[05:06] <Brydenn33> :(
[05:07] <kkathman> nope I never get any prompt in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to choose a driver
[05:07] <Brydenn33> well i'm pretty sure i upgraded to the new release
[05:07] <maryen> where did you get your install from?
[05:07] <ghost> growisofs is the command i heard talked about before, what would be the syntax i'd need to use there
[05:07] <Brydenn33> i just wanted to make sure
[05:07] <cellofellow> Brydenn33: dunno, uname -r shows the version of linux running. maybe uname has other options too.
[05:07] <kkathman> which is why I keep saying there's something weird
[05:07] <Brydenn33> cellofellow: that just shows the kernel version
[05:07] <kkathman> cellofellow:  btw I have a nvidia FX5200
[05:07] <maryen> kkathman: did you try removing nvidia-kernel*
[05:08] <Brydenn33> kkathman: i have FX5500
[05:08] <mando_> why is my nickname used lol
[05:08] <mando_> anyway
[05:08] <xsacha> try uname -a
[05:08] <mando_> withouth wep its working
[05:08] <mando_> i am actually connected now thu my wireless connection
[05:08] <kkathman> maryen:  I can try that again, but it removes xserver-xorg when I do
[05:08] <kkathman> but I'll do that again
[05:08] <cellofellow> Brydenn33: yeah, when I said linux I meant kernel, which is what linux really is.
[05:08] <maryen> mando_: strange, i thought wep would work with an opensource driver
[05:08] <xsacha> if you're in konversation: try /sysinfo
[05:08] <Brydenn33> hehe @ cellofellow ok :)
[05:08] <mando_> but this cant be the case.. i have really annoying neighbours lol
[05:09] <maryen> kkathman: does it remove xserver-xorg-nvidia or something like that
[05:09] <maryen> ?
[05:09] <cellofellow> kkathman: what DID you install?
[05:09] <xsacha> my wireless always connects to my neighbours my default because it has stronger signal than mine lol
[05:09] <xsacha> im too lazy to change it ;) free internet
[05:09] <t3hwiz0rd-server> nalioth: X wont start for him for some reason
[05:09] <xsacha> i have a download limit, they do not
[05:10] <kkathman> maryen: also it now says  (after typing sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx) it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop also
[05:10] <kkathman> that doesnt make sense to me at all
[05:10] <maryen> kkathman: dont do nvidia-glx
[05:10] <mando_> ok how to make it work with wep?
[05:10] <cellofellow> kkathman: aparently it's broken in edgy. edgy right?
[05:10] <maryen> kkathman: do 'sudo apt-get remove nvidia-kernel* --purge'
[05:10] <maryen> and let it do as it pleases
[05:10] <kkathman> I dunno
[05:11] <kkathman> ok
[05:11] <maryen> mando_: dunno, may still be a bug in wireless in linux
[05:11] <Che-Anarch> Anyone here do any development / translation?
[05:11] <kkathman> maryen:  dies that * count at the end??
[05:11] <kkathman> does
[05:11] <maryen> yes
[05:11] <maryen> mando_: i hear wpa works, you may wanna try that
[05:11] <mando_> ok i guess ill have to live with it :(
[05:11] <mando_> will give it a try
[05:12] <cellofellow> strange, first time I installed nvidia drivers I didn;t get the kernel modules, and second time xserver didn't configure, third time went straight to reconfigure xserver-xorg and worked like a charm.
[05:12] <maryen> that or set up a mac filter so people cant leach you
[05:12] <cellofellow> nvidia legacy actually
[05:12] <maryen> cellofellow: you and kkathman's cards are considered legacy?
[05:13] <cellofellow> not his, mine though. tnt2
[05:13] <maryen> ok
[05:13] <mando_> yeah that can work aswell
[05:13] <kkathman> maryen:  looks like its going to remove kubuntu-desktop, xorg and tons of things if I do that
[05:13] <maryen> how many things exactly
[05:13] <mac_> !webcam
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[05:13] <maryen> also please copy and paste what it's saying into paste-bin
[05:13] <cellofellow> kkathman: maybe forget the purge? nvidia drivers don't really have config files to purge. xserver does though
[05:16] <Ahmuck> my video is to dark in kubuntu
[05:16] <Ahmuck> i have an ati card
[05:17] <maryen> go to the display settings and adjust the gamma?
[05:17] <Xal2> I am having trouble reinstalling GRUB.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> in fedora i used xvattr or something (i forget what it was called) to lightent the settings
[05:17] <Rakzor_Away> Or contrast.
[05:17] <Xal2> I am in the grub prompt on the live CD now.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> k, i will check the display settings
[05:17] <Xal2> I have mounted my linux root partition.
[05:18] <maryen> ok cellofellow i give up on kkathman, i've lost patience and theres other things i want to do
[05:18] <maryen> cya
[05:18] <maryen> or well brb
[05:19] <cellofellow> well, I think if it uninstalls xserver-xorg then it can reinstall and be clean
[05:20] <mandoz> is there a way to further optimize the kubuntu performance?
[05:20] <cellofellow> mandoz: short of compiling the kernel?
[05:20] <maryen> back :p
[05:20] <maryen> kernel compilation is fun
[05:20] <mandoz> lol
[05:20] <maryen> more people should tinker with kernels
[05:20] <Rakzor_Away> Sure is...*sarcastic*
[05:20] <mandoz> nooo.. thats way to advanced for me
[05:20] <mandoz> i am feeling my pc is a little slower
[05:21] <mandoz> perhaps the beryl update i made
[05:21] <AsheD> I have been having some problems with amarok reading tags, and I am told I may not have UTF-8 support or something on my system [I actually use Ubuntu though] , how can I check/remedy this?
[05:21] <maryen> mandoz:
[05:21] <cellofellow> maryen: i'll mess with that later.
[05:21] <maryen> mandoz:  beryl etc makes everything slower at the moment
[05:21] <maryen> its best to not run it constantly