[06:29] <Guest10540> Has anyone managed to get OVA on VirtualBox working? (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#ova) I see many complaints about not being able to log in after cloud-init, ..., and I wasn't able to, either.
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <fgimenez> good morning
[07:05] <sturmflut2> fgimenez: o/
[07:14] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[09:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Take Your Webmaster To Lunch Day! 😃
[09:24] <Chipaca> JamesTait: Just realized: I'm my own webmaster!
[09:24]  * Chipaca will take himself to lunch
[09:24] <JamesTait> Chipaca, me too. :(
[09:25] <Chipaca> JamesTait: :(? \o/!
[09:27] <JamesTait> Chipaca, possibly. The benefit of someone else taking me to lunch is they'll pay. That may or may not be outweighed by the burden of their company, depending who they are.
[09:29] <JamesTait> Chipaca, also, happy Fried Chicken Day! Enjoy your solitary trip to KFC. 😉
[09:30] <Chipaca> JamesTait: was about to point out i had no kfc close enough, but i was wrong!
[09:31] <Chipaca> but there's a “kebabs & southern fried chicken” closer than that
[09:31] <Chipaca> i'm not feeling brave enough for either tbh
[09:40] <JamesTait> Chipaca, so... happy fry your own chicken day?
[09:41] <Chipaca> JamesTait: happy leftovers day \o/ :)
[09:41] <JamesTait> Hah! You win!
[09:41] <Chipaca> need to polish off some things before they go off
[09:42] <Chipaca> including a palta and a ball of bufala mozzarella
[09:42] <Chipaca> so dunno what it's going to be, but it's going to be awesome :)
[09:45] <Chipaca> JamesTait: are you not in .uy?
[09:46] <JamesTait> Chipaca, nope.
[09:46] <Chipaca> JamesTait: ah, ok then :)
[09:46] <JamesTait> Off the top of my head I'm not sure who's over there, tbh.
[09:47] <JamesTait> I don't think it's many though, IIUC it's at Martin's place.
[10:44] <Chipaca> JamesTait: here, one for you: http://www.whitevinyldesign.com/solarbeat/
[10:47] <JamesTait> Chipaca, that is beautiful. ☺
[10:50] <vmayoral|pc> greetings
[10:51] <vmayoral|pc> can i have someone review a framework i submitted yesterday called "capes"?
[10:51] <vmayoral|pc> spent the weekend porting our packages from "binaries" to "services" and we'll need that framework in order to upload the apps
[14:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: sergiusens: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1429749, what would be the proper fix?
[14:02] <rsalveti> not allow update for ubuntu-core?
[14:02] <ogra_> yes, sergiusens added a warning to udf recently for that
[14:02] <ogra_> and i thought the plan was to not support that at all
[14:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: but this is on a running system?
[14:02] <rsalveti> s/?//g
[14:03] <ogra_> well, it does the download but wont switch partitions
[14:03] <ogra_> i understood that will be fixed on a snappy level so it wont attempt the download
[14:18] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, that's what I assumed as well, but don't know if we got anything for it yet
[14:18] <rsalveti> maybe sergiusens knows more
[14:18] <ogra_> i thin that waits for the s-i dropping
[14:18] <ogra_> *think
[14:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti running systems won't be affected by the change, only new ones
[14:23] <ogra_> indeed, since running systems wouldnt use udf :)
[14:23] <ogra_> neither will people that use the stable image and dd it
[14:25] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, they can flash new images, that's fine
[14:25] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but is there anything we can do in snappy itself to forbid such update?
[14:25] <rsalveti> or give a better error or such?
[14:26] <sergiusens> rsalveti: not without manual hacks
[14:26] <rsalveti> sergiusens: why manual hacks?
[14:26] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can't we check for the origin?
[14:26] <ogra_> right, we discussed that before ... which made me think we'll wait for the switch away from s-i
[14:26] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the origin feature only landed last week
[14:26] <sergiusens> into rolling
[14:26] <sergiusens> trunk
[14:27] <sergiusens> and origins for device tarballs is sort of complicated
[14:27] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sure, not necessarily for this week/release, just trying to understand what would be the proper solution
[14:27] <sergiusens> rsalveti: move to snaps
[14:27] <sergiusens> that's the proper solution ;-)
[14:27] <sergiusens> for stable though, anything we do will be a hack
[14:28] <ogra_> (on a sidenote it is trivial to hack around the issue currently ... by just hacking snappy-system.txt)
[14:28] <sergiusens> unless it's done during prov
[14:28] <rsalveti> yeah, was wondering for stable
[14:28] <sergiusens> ogra_: right, but that is a prov thing
[14:30] <ogra_> even if it would be supported, the RPi uboot cant handle it currently
[14:30] <ogra_> (on another sidenote :) )
[14:40] <elopio> good morning
[14:41] <elopio> they are fixing the plumbing in my apartment today, so I might be on and off during the morning.
[14:42] <elopio> fgimenez: have you seen any errors while doing the failover updates?
[14:43] <rsalveti> mterry: ogra_: sergiusens: about bug 1444049, should we just include libc6:i386?
[14:43] <rsalveti> I imagine this to be an issue soon
[14:43] <rsalveti> and not a trivial one to let the user to fix himself
[14:43] <fgimenez> elopio, yes, with version #98 TestZeroSizeSystemd is failing
[14:43] <ogra_> hmm
[14:44] <fgimenez> elopio, this branch fixes it https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/fix-zerosize-systemd-failover-test
[14:44] <elopio> fgimenez: I saw one grub error yesterday in that test, but didn't dig anything.
[14:44] <ogra_> rsalveti, can we do that without additional deps ?
[14:44] <elopio> cool, you already fixed it :)
[14:44] <mterry> rsalveti, ogra_: depends how much we want to cater to running x32 executables...  It is rather difficult right now
[14:44] <rsalveti> what would be the additional deps?
[14:44] <rsalveti> this is just libc
[14:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: one for you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1456340 :-)
[14:45] <fgimenez> elopio, yep, just setting the same permissions to the empty file fixes it
[14:45] <ogra_> i understand the conveninece that adds ... but where do we draw the line ?
[14:45] <elopio> let me give it a try.
[14:45] <vmayoral|home> hi everyone! any chance i can get my new framework reviewed? (it's called "capes")
[14:45] <ogra_> rsalveti, *yawn* ... always the same bugs everywhere ... thats boring
[14:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: I'd say just libc for now
[14:45] <mterry> rsalveti, ogra_: I think it pulls in libgcc1 too (but that's it)
[14:46] <ogra_> rsalveti, yes, but then there is this other compelling lib to add ... and a week later another one ....
[14:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: :-)
[14:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, don't think we'll add much
[14:46] <ogra_> i'm just a bit afraid that over time more and more sneaks into the image like this
[14:47] <rsalveti> just that not having libc is kind of too much for someone to start
[14:47] <ogra_> yeah, lets add it then
[14:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: easy for rolling, how to add it for stable? :-)
[14:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: should we create a meta package for it?
[14:47] <ogra_> hmm, how did we handle stable til now ?
[14:48] <rsalveti> and force that meta package in the livecd-rootfs script
[14:48] <ogra_> (given we dont have meta packages at all)
[14:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: in livecd-rootfs itself
[14:49] <ogra_> if we need to hack livecd-rootfs anyway i wouldnt add a meta .... just add libc there
[14:49] <rsalveti> ogra_: that's fine I guess, we don't plan to increase this much anyway
[14:49] <ogra_> (though i'm not sure if live-build is multiarch aware )
[14:49] <rsalveti> hm, right
[14:49] <ogra_> needs a test i guess
[14:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: and about gdbserver, should we add it as well?
[14:50] <ogra_> yeah
[14:50] <rsalveti> alright, adding both bugs to you then :-)
[14:51] <ogra_> :)
[14:51] <ogra_> gdbserver should eb a hard dep of libc :P then we dont need to seed it everywhere
[14:51] <ogra_> *be
[14:51] <elopio> fgimenez: with your filter branch, I started modifying the real update tests. Here's my idea:
[14:51] <elopio> - when there are no available updates, we make the tests to fake one, as we discussed last week. So we flash the latest image, and run everything in there.
[14:51] <elopio> - we flash rev -1. We use a filter that will only run the update so it will leave the image on the latest rev.  We run only a test that will update it to latest. And then we run on this image all the tests.
[14:52] <ogra_> seems everyone and his cousin wants it installed everywhere anyway
[14:52] <elopio> fgimenez: any thoughts?
[14:52] <rsalveti> mterry: care to backport https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1461070 ?
[14:54] <mterry> rsalveti, ok
[14:54] <rsalveti> mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1461917 as well
[14:56] <fgimenez> elopio, great! :) taking care also of passing the right testList (latest, previous,...) for each case and the testFilter to adtRun will make it very straightforward
[14:57] <balloons> elopio, how's the images and everything today?
[14:57] <elopio> fgimenez: yes, I didn't think your filters would be so useful. Looking at your comment on the branch...
[14:57] <balloons> are we all set? what needs finishing?
[14:57] <elopio> balloons: things seem on nice on wily and using the proposed ppa on vivid.
[14:58] <elopio> balloons: rsalveti and the team are backporting things to the 15.04 branch. Once they are backported, we will have an RC.
[15:02] <balloons> elopio, does install system-status.victor work for you? (sudo snappy install system-status.victor)
[15:03] <elopio> balloons: I can give it a try in ~10 minutes.
[15:03] <balloons> elopio, ack, tyu
[15:29] <ogra_> Chipaca, so no console= should be the default
[15:30] <ogra_> Chipaca, but we need a way to define one console= option for images that should default to serial
[15:31] <Chipaca> when somebody comes to us complaining about X weird behaviour
[15:31] <Chipaca> we would need to remember to ask for their boot commandline
[15:31] <bregma> I'm working on a snap that will need to create some network devices (traditionally done as root during package installation) -- how does that, and other similar privileged admin tasks -- work with a snap?
[15:32] <ogra_> Chipaca, well, certain HW implies certain console= settings ... embedded boards like the BB or RPi should efault to serial console
[15:32] <ogra_> grub based images that run in a VM or on real HW shouldnt
[15:32] <Chipaca> ogra_: i'm reading "i'm fine with it being in the gadget snap"
[15:33] <ogra_> Chipaca, no, totally not fine with that ...
[15:33] <ogra_> because it would mean you need separate gadget snaps pre console option
[15:33] <Chipaca> ogra_: i know, that's why i said it -- so you'd expand :)
[15:33] <ogra_> *per
[15:33] <Chipaca> ogra_: but you're saying the default is per device, aren't you?
[15:33] <Chipaca> ogra_: ie bb or rpi need it, vm or real hw don't
[15:33] <ogra_> well ...
[15:34]  * Chipaca notes ogra just said the bb wasn't real hardware
[15:34]  * Chipaca blames the dentist
[15:34] <ogra_> while the BBB is definitely not suited for personal, i would expect that RPi users might run kodi on their boards ... or some other graphical thing
[15:34] <ogra_> so they'd want to be able to switch back and forth
[15:35] <ogra_> personal specifically might want to use a boot splash ... and would need a graphical soncole device set
[15:35] <ogra_> *console
[15:36] <ogra_> as i said before already ... i thinbk the only sane way would be to have a u-d-f option to set a non-default console device ... but sergiusens didnt sound happy about addin more u-d-f options
[15:37] <Chipaca> rsalveti: sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/snappy/fix-1461262/+merge/263917
[15:38] <Chipaca> ogra_: right now, udf has no kernel options exposed. If we expose one, do you promise your axe to help us defend against the horde?
[15:38] <ogra_> well, you can make it not look like a kernel option :)
[15:38] <Chipaca> ogra_: (i'm not sure whether it's an option at all, really -- people are already complaining about too many obscure options in udf)
[15:39] <rsalveti> ogra_: start a thread in snappy-devel :-)
[15:39] <ogra_> i just dont think it is sane to have a million identical gadget snaps for changed kernel cmdline options
[15:40] <Chipaca> ogra_: i agree with you :)
[15:40] <Chipaca> ogra_: i just think you're the one who can defend your point the best. Please do make it on the list :)
[15:40] <ogra_> and sadly snappy-config wont work until you booted ...
[15:40] <rsalveti> Chipaca: thanks for the mr
[15:40] <ogra_> yeah
[15:41] <elopio> balloons: package with namespace not supported?
[15:41] <Chipaca> bregma: how would the network devices be created traditionally?
[15:42] <bregma> Chipaca, through the equivalent of a sudo operation, I imagine
[15:43] <bregma> since this is done by the user at first-run
[15:43] <Chipaca> bregma: i mean, you'd drop something into network/interfaces.d?
[15:45] <balloons> elopio, yea.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1466674.
[15:46] <elopio> balloons: I don't fully understand what nessita is asking in there.
[15:47] <elopio> but the error message doesn't come from the snappy source code.
[15:47] <balloons> that makes two of us, heh. Is there anyway to get more verbose output? Where is the source for the error?
[15:48] <elopio> let me see what install does.
[15:49] <balloons> does it use alias?
[15:49] <balloons> that's the only difference I see between the packages
[15:49] <nessita> elopio, hey!
[15:49] <elopio> balloons: what packages are you comparing?
[15:49]  * elopio waves at nessita.
[15:50] <nessita> elopio, what I'm asking/saying is that a package's manifest can vadily have as "name" the package full path (ie the store allows this)
[15:50] <balloons> elopio, nessita I simply looked at the json for the hello-world package (which works fine) and the system status package from victor
[15:50] <balloons> the hello world package has an alias, the system status package has null for that field
[15:50] <elopio> balloons: can you please link to the source of that package?
[15:50] <nessita> balloons, for package metadata you should query the index, since the fields inside a package may not be accurate
[15:51] <nessita> (the package index)
[15:51] <balloons> nessita, I used https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/system-status.victor and https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/hello-world
[15:51] <balloons> elopio, links ^^
[15:51] <bregma> Chipaca, we're trying to create an unprivileged LXC container, so there are a number of steps that need elevated privileges including creating UIDs and running LXC tools to create VETH devices (the exact nature of such operations is beyond my kenning)
[15:52] <nessita> elopio, I'm currently in a sprint so I will try tyo answer as I can, need to run for lunch now (being kick off the room)
[15:52] <balloons> thanks nessita
[15:53] <Chipaca> bregma: i might be wrong, but i think having an unprivileged snap do privileged things is not currently possible
[15:54] <Chipaca> arbitrary privileged things, that is
[15:54] <elopio> nessita: buen provecho.
[15:54] <Chipaca> bregma: although what you're wanting to do is something we want to suppor
[15:54] <Chipaca> t
[15:55] <Chipaca> bregma: so maybe we need to map out what you want, and expose it in some way
[15:55] <bregma> Chipaca, our current plan is to just use PAM to elevate privs with authentiction, will that still work on Snappy?
[15:56] <Chipaca> bregma: i'm going to guess 'no'
[15:56] <bregma> :(
[15:56] <Chipaca> but i'm not fully sure of what you mean, so :)
[15:56] <Chipaca> if you mean "after snappy install, run sudo yadda yadda", then maybe yes
[15:57] <Chipaca> but that won't work in a number of scenarios
[15:57] <Chipaca> mostly around not having console access to the device :)
[15:57] <ogra_> well, the lxd framework should offer you all this, no ?
[15:58] <bregma> our snap is designed to work only on devices with full user interaction, so we don;t care about ones without console access
[15:58] <Chipaca> ogra_: yep, but it'll need something very close to uncontained :)
[15:58] <bregma> and LXD just doesn't meet our needs in any way
[15:58] <ogra_> oh, why is that ?
[15:59] <ogra_> i thopught it is only used to fire up lxc containers
[16:00] <elopio> balloons: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vthompson/+junk/system-status/view/head:/meta/package.yaml
[16:01] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11831452/
[16:01] <balloons> looks fine to me
[16:01] <elopio> balloons: that's what's needed ^
[16:02] <balloons> elopio, sure that would fix it I suppose; it's just odd that it fails when the hello-world package has name as hello-world.canonical as the name
[16:02] <elopio> balloons: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-examples/view/head:/hello-world/meta/package.yaml
[16:02] <elopio> not on the metadata.
[16:04] <balloons> ok, so then the question for nessita is why the package wasn't unpublished then
[16:04] <balloons> as that was the old style
[16:04] <balloons> ty elopio
[16:04] <elopio> also, in here it says that "." is allowed in the name
[16:04] <elopio> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/packaging-format-apps/
[16:04] <balloons> ohh good catch!
[16:04] <balloons> can you summarize in a comment on the bug?
[16:04] <balloons> i'll add the website to it so it can be fixed too
[16:08] <balloons> whoa.. "snappy autopilot triggered a reboot to boot into an up to date system"
[16:14] <elopio> balloons: autopilot is following you!
[16:15] <balloons> scary!
[16:21] <Chipaca> sergiusens: you around?
[16:37] <sergiusens> Chipaca: yes
[16:40] <Chipaca> sergiusens: good.
[16:41] <Chipaca> sergiusens: wondering why 'snappy search' would find a package, but install wouldn't
[16:41] <Chipaca> sounds all very weird to me :)
[16:42] <sergiusens> Chipaca: search does partial matching while install requires an exact match?
[16:43] <Chipaca> sergiusens:
[16:43] <Chipaca> (amd64)ubuntu@localhost:~$ snappy search mir
[16:43] <Chipaca> Name Version Summary
[16:43] <Chipaca> mir  snap1   Mir example server snap
[16:44] <sergiusens> Chipaca: http://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/mir.mvp-demo that one?
[16:44] <ogra_> bah, amd64 only ?
[16:44] <sergiusens> Chipaca: it has no alias
[16:44] <ogra_> not found on any armhf device
[16:44] <sergiusens> Chipaca: and it is a framework, that is why
[16:44] <ogra_> thats lame
[16:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: we don't care about armhf ever since you stopped using your chromebook ;-)
[16:45] <Chipaca> i still have the ac100
[16:45] <sergiusens> have != use
[16:46] <ogra_> damn ... i'll dig it out next WE !
[16:46] <Chipaca> well.. i use it to separate the gray lego from the green lego
[16:47] <Chipaca> ogra_: oooh! if snappy core boots that, i'll be happy :)
[16:47] <ogra_> do you fear little dark green legos ?
[16:47] <Chipaca> ogra_: if you saw the mess that is the lego box, you'd be laughing too :D
[16:47] <ogra_> :)
[16:48] <Chipaca> it's officially the lego box, but i think the floor has more lego
[16:48] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm waiting a bit more for that
[16:48] <Chipaca> i should probably rename it 'misc junk' or sth
[16:48] <ogra_> haha
[16:49]  * Chipaca sideloads the mir snap
[16:49] <Chipaca> aaand it's a bad snap :-(
[16:49] <Chipaca> (amd64)ubuntu@localhost:~$ sudo snappy install ./mir.mvp-demo_snap1_amd64.snap
[16:49] <Chipaca> Installing ./mir.mvp-demo_snap1_amd64.snap
[16:49] <Chipaca> ./mir.mvp-demo_snap1_amd64.snap failed to install: can not parse package.yaml: missing required fields 'vendor' (from: "name: mir\nversion: snap1\narchitecture: amd64\ntype: framework\nservices:\n  - name: system-compositor\n    description: \"system compositor\"\n    start: bin/server\n    security-template: unconfined\n")
[17:07] <sergiusens> elopio: Chipaca if you build images for 15.04/edge do they work out?
[17:08] <sergiusens> elopio: Chipaca if you build images for 15.04/edge do they work out?
[17:08] <sergiusens> there :-P
[17:08] <elopio> sergiusens: let me try.
[17:09] <sergiusens> elopio: seem to missing a systemd service here
[17:10] <elopio> udf'ing
[17:15] <nessita> elopio, balloons the package may be old style but is still super valid
[17:15] <nessita> elopio, balloons, so code should be prepared to handle both formats
[17:16] <nessita> we will not unpublish such packages since they are still valid, as far as the store is concerned
[17:17] <Chipaca> nessita: which package?
[17:17] <nessita> Chipaca, system-status.victor
[17:18] <nessita> Chipaca, https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/system-status.victor
[17:19] <balloons> ok . . . well, then something on the installation side needs fixed. As it stands it can't be installed and gives the unhelpful error. I'd guess other packages might have the same issue
[17:20] <sergiusens> nessita: it's not valid, frameworks and oems need to have an alias
[17:20] <sergiusens> nessita: wrt beuno said oem and framework types would automatically get aliased when accepted
[17:21] <nessita> sergiusens, as far as the store is concerned, that package name is very valid. If it needs an alias that is another feature/story
[17:21] <nessita> sergiusens, which I'm not aware we have in our radar, but surely is on our backlog
[17:21] <nessita> our radar == current items being worked on
[17:21] <beuno> I've found an owner for that
[17:22] <beuno> within the next few weeks
[17:22] <beuno> hopeolly
[17:22] <sergiusens> nessita: it's not supposed to be published; we have a very manual process for publishing frameworks and oems, can you track down who accepted that package into the store?
[17:22] <nessita> sergiusens, yes
[17:22] <sergiusens> Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/closeMe/+merge/263943
[17:23] <elopio> sergiusens: yes, it prints lots of errors. Not sure which is the first.
[17:24] <nessita> sergiusens, last published version is 1.0.3 and was automatically approved by the scripts with no errors and only 1 warning
[17:26] <nessita> sergiusens, last 4 uploaded versions (1.0.4 up to 1.0.7) are all failing with
[17:26] <nessita> security_policy_vendor_matches_framework (meta/system-status.apparmor):
[17:26] <nessita> ubuntu-snappy != ubuntu (ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1)
[17:26] <nessita> sergiusens, does that give you any debug information?
[17:28] <sergiusens> elopio: [    5.783593] systemd[1]: Failed to isolate default target: Unit snappy-workaround-apparmor.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
[17:30] <sergiusens> nessita: date of last upload? I hope it's newer than the great purge date we did in austin with beuno
[17:30] <sergiusens> nessita: according to the json result last_updated: "2015-02-24T03:44:14.674552Z",
[17:30] <nessita> sergiusens, version 1.0.3 was approved and published on  2015-02-24
[17:30] <sergiusens> this package should not be published
[17:31] <sergiusens> nessita: we made a massive unpublish in April before release
[17:31] <nessita> sergiusens, who should have unpublished it?
[17:31] <nessita> (to try to track down debug information)
[17:31] <sergiusens> nessita: beuno and james_w
[17:31] <sergiusens> nessita: it was an implicit unpublish, asac had requested to wipe the store
[17:32] <ogra_> yeah, the format of package.yaml changed
[17:32]  * ogra_ still hasnt re-published all his packages
[17:32] <ogra_> unpublishing was a requirement ... that package simply slipped through
[17:32] <ogra_> there is no bug ...
[17:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: no, it wasn't there and now it is
[17:32] <nessita> sergiusens, so do you know what was the criteria to unpublish packages? obviously the store can not be wiped since we have all the click world in it :-)
[17:33] <beuno> I think I decided to no unpublish things that would get filtered out automatically because we now required a release
[17:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, that package is really old ... i used to try it out way before the unpublishing
[17:33] <sergiusens> nessita: snappy store was to be wiped, the catalog at least; and it's because during the week of austin we decided to make breaking changes for release which required this
[17:33] <nessita> sergiusens, see beuno s comment
[17:34] <sergiusens> beuno: right, but I guess anyone going in can tick a release, right?
[17:34] <beuno> yes
[17:34] <beuno> so I guess I wasn't *that* smart
[17:34] <nessita> I think that solves the mistery, now we need to come up with a fix that suits everyone
[17:34] <sergiusens> beuno: which makes packages that were published before sort of dangerous
[17:34] <sergiusens> because the semantics don't match anymore
[17:35] <sergiusens> and to be honest, the system-status snap might as well be an app and not a framework ;-)
[17:38] <sergiusens> rsalveti: image is broken due to https://launchpadlibrarian.net/210538856/ubuntu-core-config_0.6.15%2Bppa6_0.6.15%2Bppa7.diff.gz
[17:38] <sergiusens> rsalveti: not sure if we need to revert that change or wait for that upstream fix to land...
[17:39] <balloons> sergiusens, beuno nessita thanks for getting to the root of this
[17:39] <sergiusens> elopio: I think that triggers the issue ^
[17:45] <elopio> if we want the rc tomorrow, maybe we should revert.
[17:48] <elopio> balloons: once we know what's the latest image we can test tomorrow, I'll make a note on the flashing section of the wiki page.
[17:48] <elopio> are we missing something else?
[17:50] <balloons> elopio, afaik, no. I just need to review the google form again
[17:51] <balloons> I saw https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/channels/ was updatedso 15.04/edge is what we want people to use yes?
[17:52] <sergiusens> elopio: I think I know where this comes from, I'll take a look
[17:52] <elopio> balloons: no, that should be 15.04/rc.
[17:56] <balloons> elopio, ok, I'll update it again
[17:58] <sergiusens> elopio: rsalveti I think this fixes our issue at hand http://paste.ubuntu.com/11831998/
[17:59] <balloons> elopio, I don't see an rc image on cdimage though.
[18:00] <balloons> This goes back to our conversation on u-d-f vs cdimage download
[18:00] <elopio> sergiusens: how can we test that?
[18:00] <elopio> balloons: yes, once we get the rc rsalveti will publish it on cdimage.
[18:00] <sergiusens> elopio: new image build, or mount the .img and remove the dangling link
[18:01] <balloons> elopio, I assumed as much, y
[18:02] <sergiusens> elopio: I did that, worked fine
[18:03] <sergiusens> elopio: sudo kpartx -avs 15.04.img; sudo rm /media/sergiusens/system-a/lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target.requires/snappy-workaround-apparmor.service; umount /media/sergiusens/system-a; sudo kpartx -ds 15.04.img; kvm_snappy 15.04.img
[18:03] <sergiusens> elopio: but it requires a new image to get things going
[18:05] <rsalveti> sergiusens: hm, I think mvo also published the real fix
[18:05] <rsalveti> which is why he reverted the workaround
[18:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: oh, you got it
[18:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: just upload that fix then
[18:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I just did ;-)
[18:07] <rsalveti> great
[18:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the workaround wasn't completely reverted though
[18:07] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: btw, can you dput the latest snappy trunk?
[18:07]  * sergiusens needs to get the ppu paperwork done
[18:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sure
[18:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: thanks
[18:08]  * elopio learns kpartx
[18:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, seeing that you were the last one to touch the vivid livecd-rootfs in the snappy PPA, do we have a branch for that or do you just patch the package directly ?
[18:09] <sergiusens> ogra_: I am not aware of a branch, I just used the packaging
[18:09] <ogra_> k. sounds fine ...
[18:09] <sergiusens> ogra_: same for ubuntu-core-config
[18:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: do we need to backport https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/closeMe/+merge/263943 ?
[18:10] <ogra_> thanks !
[18:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: nope, only required for the latest u-d-f builds to allow clean unmounts ;-)
[18:10] <rsalveti> great
[18:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: are you changing anything crazy? Since I want to trigger a new build soon to get a working image
[18:11] <ogra_> rsalveti, so seeds definitely dont support multiarch ... (i asked cjwatson) ...
[18:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: hm, that's interesting
[18:11] <rsalveti> how is that done on the desktop?
[18:11] <ogra_> sergiusens, one insane (test) thing and one easy and safe one
[18:11] <rsalveti> or libc just gets installed when required/
[18:11] <rsalveti> ?
[18:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: hmmm, then let me trigger a build before that :-)
[18:11] <ogra_> rsalveti, we dont have any images where foreign arch packages are preinstalled
[18:12] <rsalveti> ogra_: nice
[18:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: so we have a working test base and I don't need to chase my tail like a dog :-P
[18:12] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, i can do it tomorrow morning (would actually prefer to) ... but it is for RC
[18:12] <rsalveti> sergiusens: trigger an image now
[18:12] <rsalveti> build is kind of fast anyway
[18:12] <sergiusens> rsalveti: waiting for packages to publish
[18:12] <ogra_> rsalveti, and i'm not sure about using :i386 in live-build, i need at least one test build to see what happens
[18:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: right
[18:13] <ogra_> (and indeed i have no local setup)
[18:13] <rsalveti> sergiusens: gotta love launchpad
[18:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: did you read my latest blog entry? :-P
[18:13] <rsalveti> sergiusens: not fully yet, in my toread
[18:14] <rsalveti> new kernel landed in updates
[18:14] <rsalveti> yay
[18:22] <elopio> sergiusens: on your post I think that you are not taking into account that travis is not running trusty.
[18:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens: package was just published
[18:23] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-snappy/1.5ubuntu1
[18:23] <Saviq> ogra_, if I edited uEnv.txt on the boot partition on a snappy Pi, it should change the kernel command line, should it? does uEnv (it's the bootloader, right?) itself talk console by any chance?
[18:24] <ogra_> uboot you mean
[18:24] <ogra_> yes, it talks to serial only
[18:25] <ogra_> Saviq, any probs with that ?
[18:26] <ogra_> (uEnv.txt is for overrides, it could well be that uboot itself sets some HW related defaults before processing uEnv.txt)
[18:27] <sergiusens> elopio: we don't care, sbuild for package builds and go is avail on the platform so it is not far away from what we have today
[18:28] <elopio> sergiusens: what about the calls we make to ubuntu-device-flash?
[18:28] <sergiusens> elopio: that does not happen on tarmac today
[18:28] <elopio> could we backport the ppa to ... lucid I think is what they have
[18:28] <sergiusens> elopio: they have precise envs
[18:29] <sergiusens> elopio: and we don't use ppa's in our tarmac setup
[18:29] <sergiusens> elopio: nor package building
[18:29] <elopio> oh, well, that's right. No much different to our present.
[18:29] <sergiusens> elopio: but giving webhooks are instantly available, we can do a lot already
[18:30] <sergiusens> elopio: rsalveti: ogra_ I triggered a vivid image
[18:37] <rsalveti> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/snappy/set-sudo-15.04/+merge/263920 missing withMutex
[18:38] <rsalveti> Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/snappy/fix-1461262/+merge/263917/comments/661898
[18:38] <mterry> rsalveti, hah, whoops, run-checks failed but without a good error and I wasn't sure why, so I was going to let jenkins sort it out while I had lunch.  Looks like it did, thanks for the heads up  :)
[18:39] <rsalveti> Chipaca: oauth/oauth_test.go:25:2: cannot find package "gopkg.in/check.v1" in any of
[18:39] <rsalveti> mterry: :-)
[18:39] <rsalveti> the joy of backports
[18:43] <rsalveti> Chipaca: maybe we can just use gocheck to avoid a larger backport
[18:43] <sergiusens> it should use gocheck, yes
[18:45] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can you see why https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/snappy/systemd-restart-15.04/+merge/263915/comments/661903 failed?
[18:45] <mterry> rsalveti, yeah that is interesting.  run-checks locally *did* pass for that one -- and it's really a tiny change
[18:46] <rsalveti> right
[18:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: cmd/snappy/cmd_internal_unpack.go:70:6: func readUid should be readUID helpers/touch.go:39:5: exported var ErrNotAbsPath should have comment or be unexported
[18:46] <rsalveti> not related with the mr for sure
[18:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: why failing now?
[18:46] <rsalveti> the check changed?
[18:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: mterry update golint
[18:47] <rsalveti> right
[18:48] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, I've changed uEnv.txt and still I get garbage on boot when I have the emon board connected
[18:48] <rsalveti> will just backport rev 520 then
[18:48] <Saviq> ogra_, the board talks on ttyAMA0
[18:48] <mterry> sergiusens, rsalveti: what's the Right way to do that in my workspace?
[18:49] <sergiusens> mterry: go get -u "the go lint package" iirc
[18:50]  * sergiusens takes a break
[18:50] <mterry> sergiusens, thanks
[18:51] <rsalveti> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/snappy/15.04-fixing-lint-errors/+merge/263956
[18:52] <kyrofa> seb128, you mentioned last week that if I was willing to get my hands dirty, I could get an Ubuntu Personal-ish image up and running?
[18:52] <mterry> rsalveti, I see those now too :)
[18:52] <sergiusens> +1
[18:53] <Saviq> ogra_, but it does seems as if it never goes to actually loading the kernel, so it might be u-boot itself is talking on tty (/me records a video)
[18:57] <ogra_> Saviq, well, whats the actual kernel cmdline you end up with after booting (regardless if with or without the thing attached)
[18:59] <Saviq> ogra_, right, checking that now
[19:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: image finished already if you want to play with livebuild
[19:02] <ogra_> rsalveti, k
[19:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: from what I see, the image is still building...
[19:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: just not yet fully imported
[19:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/
[19:13] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, it boots the right cmdline, but it never goes past u-boot when the thing's connected https://owncloud.sawicz.net/index.php/s/0afe9e8a599ef8fef2f2a105e9db357d#
[19:13]  * Saviq needs to find out if u-boot talks ttyAMA0 for some reason
[19:13] <Saviq> biab
[19:36] <ogra_> rsalveti, bah ... https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+archive/ubuntu/image/+build/7625955 ...
[19:36] <ogra_> "Start in 5 hours "
[19:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: that's arm64
[19:36] <rsalveti> which we don't support
[19:36] <rsalveti> you can cancel it
[19:36] <ogra_> oh, will it still publish ?
[19:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: or just let it there, lp will publish the other packages
[19:37] <rsalveti> we don't have proposed for ppas :-)
[19:37] <ogra_> oh, ok
[19:37] <ogra_> (i thought it was more like the phone overlay PPA)
[19:37]  * ogra_ kicks a build then
[19:39] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, infinity just told me ubuntu-fan v1 isnt suitable for seeding, we should wait for v3 (which btw wont depend on dnsmasq)
[19:39] <ogra_> so i'll unseed it again :P
[19:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: oh, alright :-)
[19:40] <rsalveti> we still need the kernel sru to be in place anyway
[19:40]  * ogra_ sighs ... this is getting ebarassing
[19:40] <ogra_> most awkward seed changelog ... in -> out -> in -> out ..
[19:41] <rsalveti> hahah
[19:42] <sergiusens> ogra_: seeding in rolling should be fine though
[19:43] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/originsOrNamespaceWhatever/+merge/263960
[19:43] <ogra_> damned !
[19:43] <ogra_> i just triggered a vivid phone build
[19:43] <ogra_> sigh
[19:44] <rsalveti> ogra_: hahah
[19:44] <ogra_> and do you know why ?
[19:44] <sergiusens> or Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/originsOrNamespaceWhatever/+merge/263960
[19:44] <ogra_> because i couldnt mark the whole line at the size the terminal window was ... the overlay scrollbar didnt let me reach the last letter ... so i maximized and ended up in the wrong line
[19:45] <ogra_> yay design
[19:45] <ogra_> hmpf
[19:45] <ogra_> and snappy cant build due to a lockfile
[19:46] <ogra_> which i assume comes from the stalled arm64 build of sergiusens image (which i just cancelled)
[19:46] <ogra_> damn
[19:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: hey, don't go around pointing fingers at me :-P
[19:47] <ogra_> sergiusens, alll your fault that the arm64 builders are so slow !!!
[19:48] <ogra_> aha, just took a moment
[19:52] <ogra_> ok, that didnt go so well
[19:52] <ogra_> E: Unable to locate package libc6
[19:53] <ogra_> so just add_package wont work either ...
[19:57] <bschaefer> Hello, just dd'd the ras pi 2 onto an SD and everything seems to be working except one issue
[19:57] <bschaefer> "Net initialization skipped"
[19:57] <bschaefer> and no ip or network at all on the image :(
[19:59] <sergiusens> Chipaca or rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/seccompError/+merge/263964
[20:02] <sergiusens> rsalveti: not sure I can get this one done by today https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1450169 I need to leave for a bit
[20:03] <rsalveti> sergiusens: are you going to be around later today?
[20:03] <rsalveti> I'll be off for a few as well, but back in a few hours
[20:03] <rsalveti> and going to trigger a new image
[20:04] <ogra_> rsalveti, so the multiarch doesnt work (and a meta package wont help)
[20:04] <ogra_> it doesnt find any i386 packages at all during build
[20:04] <ogra_> i'll roll back the libc part but keep gdbserver in ...
[20:04] <ogra_> (and take a look tomorrow)
[20:14] <balloons> elopio, so i've setup https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/OpenHouses/20150707 and tweaked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/OpenHouses/. Going to work a little on the form. Let me know if there's anything els
[20:14] <sergiusens> rsalveti: in 4hours or so, I have a dentist issue coincidentally :-P
[20:14] <elopio> balloons: thanks.
[20:14] <sergiusens> I broke a tooth last night :-P
[20:14] <sergiusens> eating popcorn...
[20:15] <elopio> sergiusens: ...rioting after the game.
[20:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, did you pick the one with extra butter and concrete ?
[20:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: eating a popcorn?
[21:03] <balloons> elopio, http://bit.ly/1KHQZF6 is the form
[21:04] <elopio> balloons: +1. Thanks.
[21:16] <kgunn> https://pastebin.canonical.com/134686/
[21:17] <kgunn> sergiusens: wonder if you might know...this was working last thurs, was just trying and got that error ^
[21:17] <kgunn> it actually created an image, but it just stuck at "booting from disk"
[21:19] <elopio> kgunn: if you are on vivid, you can get the fix of that using the tools-proposed ppa.
[21:19] <elopio> kgunn: if you are on wily, just upgrade.
[21:21] <kgunn> ta
[21:21] <kgunn> needed to upgrade
[21:23]  * kgunn considers probably should just move to wily
[21:24] <jdstrand> Saviq: hey, did you get an answer to emonhub?
[21:27] <jdstrand> Saviq: the problem is that the review tools are expecting snappy-systemd in the click compatibility manifest and a corresponding meta/emonhub.snappy-systemd in the snap produced by snappy build
[21:27] <jdstrand> Saviq: how did you generate the snap? snappy build? what version of snappy?
[21:39] <jdstrand> Saviq: I see that you uploaded to the store. I'll comment there
[21:44] <jdstrand> sergiusens: fyi, I left feedback in https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/2954/feedback/
[21:45] <jdstrand> sergiusens: it looks like snappy perhaps dropped "snappy-systemd" from the hooks db in the click compatibility manifest
[21:46] <jdstrand> sergiusens: either it is a bug in snappy or a bug in the review tools (can we please have the review tools run as part of the go build/check/whatever or the self-tests?)
[21:47] <jdstrand> Chipaca: fyi, I came across that ^. I saw in backscroll from days ago about re-enabling the review tools. looks like an incompatible change rolled in recently
[21:49] <elopio> jdstrand: we have just added a test for snappy build that does some simple checks.
[21:49] <elopio> jdstrand: could you please report a bug, or make a card, or explain here how to reproduce that bug so we can automate it?
[21:49] <elopio> should be easy.
[21:49] <jdstrand> elopio: I think there is already a card for it
[21:49] <jdstrand> let me see if I can find it
[21:50] <jdstrand> I can't seem to find it
[21:51] <jdstrand> it keeps coming up in email threads
[21:51] <elopio> jdstrand: https://trello.com/c/Gp9gtKiu/59-self-tests-for-snappy-build
[21:51] <elopio> I see your comment in there.
[21:52] <elopio> we added tests for one correct snap and two simple errors.
[21:52] <elopio> I'll make another card to extend the suite.
[21:52] <jdstrand> elopio: you are doing 'click-review /path/to/snap'?
[21:53] <elopio> jdstrand: no, just snappy build.
[21:53] <jdstrand> elopio: ok, so right now snappy build disabled the click-review run
[21:53] <elopio> I saw the code for click-review in the build command commented out.
[21:54] <jdstrand> elopio: right. this was because the review tools were out of date cause the yaml was changing so fast and the review tools weren't updated in lock step
[21:55] <jdstrand> elopio: so, I got them all up to date, but it looks like something changed in snappy again without a corresponding mp for the review tools
[21:55] <elopio> I see. So update, uncomment, and add test.
[21:56] <jdstrand> elopio: I'm happy to do the change in the review tools this time so that they are on good footing, but I want to make sure I understand the change and where it landed
[21:57] <jdstrand> depending on the test, a few simple tests aren't going to be enough though
[21:57] <elopio> jdstrand: for that part, lets wait for sergiusens.
[21:57] <jdstrand> as it happens, if the simple yaml had a 'services' definition, it would have this time
[21:57] <elopio> he had a fight with some chilean popcorn ;)
[21:58] <jdstrand> but we are going to want build tests for all yaml
[21:58] <jdstrand> if we want to be sure to avoid this in the future
[21:59] <elopio> jdstrand: we should probably add some basic tests in the snappy branch, an extensive suite in click-review, and a way to trigger the click review tests when snappy is updated.
[21:59] <jdstrand> but sure, I'll wait for sergiusens
[21:59] <jdstrand> elopio: the review tools has extensive tests itself
[21:59] <jdstrand> elopio: the problem is what is being fed to it
[22:00] <jdstrand> if snappy build starts outputing something new or different...
[22:00] <jdstrand> it seems the right place is to have a collection of simple but exhaustive snaps that click-review can iterate over
[22:01] <jdstrand> personally, I think that should be in snappy itself or maybe the self tests
[22:01] <jdstrand> well, probably not the self tests, those run on the image
[22:05] <elopio> jdstrand: yes, we currently are doing the builds on the image. Is that wrong?
[22:05] <elopio> seemed a lot more simple than to split the suite into running some in the testbed and some in the host.
[22:18] <jdstrand> elopio: it isn't wrong per se, but I didn't think the review tools would be available on the image (they are python with various python deps)
[22:19] <elopio> jdstrand: it works now. I suppose it will break soon.
[22:19] <jdstrand> elopio: yes, as soon as the review tools are reenabled
[22:20] <elopio> we are thinking about containers inside the testbed for these cases to make it easier to handle the adt-run calls. We'll have a prototype soon.
[22:20] <jdstrand> that should be fine. install tests in a container won't, but build, sure
[22:21] <elopio> a container that can do builds. We add a bunch of yamls and iterate over them. Shouldn't slow the selftests a lot.
[22:21] <elopio> well, a lot more. They are already slow.
[22:22] <rsalveti> comfy should help with that
[22:22] <rsalveti> once we get the container in place
[22:22] <rsalveti> for usual builds and such
[22:22] <rsalveti> the same container will also be the bed for snapcraft, so should be good
[22:23] <elopio> the future will solve all our present problems :)
[22:23] <rsalveti> that's true, but comfy should be around the corner
[22:23] <rsalveti> just waiting lool to return from his vacation
[22:24] <elopio> now build in the container and install out of the container, I don't know how to handle that case. Federico will probably come with a clever solution.
[22:27] <jcastro> is there a generic snappy x86 image that would work on like a NUC or old laptop?
[22:34] <elopio> jcastro:  I see you can do:
[22:34] <elopio> sudo ubuntu-device-flash --verbose core rolling --channel edge --oem generic-i386 -o snappy.img
[22:34] <elopio> but I haven't tried that.
[22:41] <rsalveti> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/snapcraft/debian-packaging/+merge/263937/comments/661944
[22:43] <mterry> rsalveti, huh...  i depend on python3, would have expected that to include python3-minimal.  I didn't build in pbuilder though, oddly enough.  will make I pass in that
[22:48] <rsalveti> yeah, it's a bit weird
[22:49] <mterry> rsalveti, oh weird, dh_auto_clean tries to do a python2 thing by default (sigh, the world is still unready for py3-only stuff)
[22:53] <Saviq> jdstrand, thanks, no, didn't get an answer et
[22:53] <Saviq> +y
[22:55] <elopio> I'm going to take a break.
[22:55] <elopio> rsalveti: let me know if you need me to do something for the RC, and I'll get to it when I get back.
[22:57] <rsalveti> elopio: sure, just started a new image build, which should be close to what we want
[22:57] <rsalveti> just missing one more mr from sergiusens and the other change from ogra
[22:57] <rsalveti> but we'll see if we can get to that tomorrow
[22:57] <rsalveti> going to be off for a few as well, time to grab some dinner
[22:57] <rsalveti> be back later
[23:04] <Saviq> jdstrand, so if I understand correctly, this basically means that something in the build process failed?


[15:52] <starmax> hello
[15:52] <starmax> i request unban on #ubuntu-fr
[15:53] <starmax> AlphaWaves
[15:53] <erUSUL> starmax: you should contact the op(s) that put the ban
[15:54] <starmax> it was several months ago i dont rememebr
[15:54] <starmax> ok ill search my logs
[15:54] <erUSUL> starmax: maybe the fr ops have a channel for this issues? #ubuntu-fr-ops ?
[15:55] <IdleOne> starmax: /join #ubuntu-fr-ops
[15:55] <starmax> im ban there also
[15:55] <starmax> :/
[15:56] <IdleOne> hold on a minute
[15:57] <IdleOne> starmax: try to join #ubuntu-fr-ops now
[15:57] <starmax> ok thx
[15:58] <starmax> 16:57 [Freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-fr-ops (You are banned)
[15:58] <IdleOne> ok try again please
[15:58] <starmax> k
[21:01] <guntbert> this day will be marked in my calendar: the first non italian caller of !list in a very long time :-)
[21:36] <MichealH> guntbert, In #u? :P
[21:36] <LjL> :O
[21:36] <guntbert> MichealH: yes, but about half an hour ago
[21:37]  * MichealH looks :P
[21:37] <MichealH> Awhh
[21:37] <MichealH> XChat Scrolls back to 0 mins ago :P


[18:03] <hakermania> Hello? How many are you in total? 6? Do you know a good place where I can request for an artist to do some icons for our Open Source Application (Wallch) ?
[20:56] <hakermania> PING EVERYBODY
[20:56] <hakermania> POKE EVERYBODY
[20:56] <hakermania> DOES ANYBODY HEAR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
[22:30] <bosky> hello all. just a quick question...was LAB Analysis used in the making of the Default Ubuntu wp?
[22:34] <hakermania> bosky, I was here from 21:00 UTC+3 (4.5 hours now) and I haven't got any answers
[22:34] <hakermania> the channel seems to be dead
[22:35] <bosky> fair enough...thanks for that :)
[22:50] <bosky> thank-you for the response hakermania. even though this channel appears dead maybe it should be brought back to life with a vengeance> As Arnie said... I'll be back. Cheers everyone.
[22:50] <hakermania> bosky: bye!


[20:01] <xrosnight> rypervenche: we tried to deploy on debian but the postgis on debian is out of date. so we took ubuntu for instead.
[20:02] <rypervenche> xrosnight: You can compile it from source, as shown on that page you linked.
[20:03] <xrosnight> rypervenche: we did. but the libc of debian is bit out of date for compiling postgis
[20:05] <rypervenche> xrosnight: I won't argue with that. I know it works with version 2.0, but yeah.
[20:08] <TheBigDeal> Hi
[20:09] <TheBigDeal> Where can i find the 'cernlib' documentation?
[20:09] <IdleOne> http://linux.die.net/man/1/cernlib
[20:11] <Seveas> TheBigDeal: packages usually install their documentation in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> and as manpages in /usr/share/man
[20:11] <ki7mt> It's in the Cern sources tar.gz also
[20:11] <TheBigDeal> hmm
[20:25] <hexafraction> Hi, I am looking for a software recommendation. I am trying to transition to using CAD on Linux, and am looking for something similar to Autodesk Inventor, that supports constraint-based parametric modeling. Could someone recommend a libre application that is similar?
[20:26] <hexafraction> I am already using Blender, but it isn't really ideal for precise mechanical design due to the lack of constraint based modeling as it is designed more for artists
[20:26] <EriC^^> isn't inventor not that good cause it was based on autocad 2d?
[20:27] <bazhang> !equivalents
[20:27] <EriC^^> a coworker used to rant about it all the time
[20:28] <hexafraction> EriC^^: Unfortunately due to the choice and content of classes at my school, Inventor is what I am adept with. I would be glad to learn, if it is not too dissimilar and supports common formats like STL. I'll look at the links right now
[20:28] <ray_> hello everyone
[20:28] <ray_> is this the official mint chanel?
[20:28] <EriC^^> !mint | ray
[20:29] <ray_> I changed channel in xchat and I can't remember what was the default one
[20:30] <EriC^^> ray_: you have to change the server to spotchat and then /join #linuxmint-help
[20:30] <hexafraction> EriC^^: I found Creo, but it's not libre so it's not ideal. There *is* a student discount, however.
[20:30] <ray_> ah ok thanks ric
[20:30] <EriC^^> hexafraction: i see
[20:31] <hexafraction> Um, never mind. They discontinued Linux support forever ago
[20:31] <EriC^^> hexafraction: why don't you dual boot?
[20:32] <hexafraction> EriC^^: My goal is to stop using Windows. It has been vexingly unreliable on my machine after only a few months after a reinstall
[20:32] <EriC^^> which windows?
[20:32] <hexafraction> 7 Home Premium x64
[20:33] <EriC^^> that's pretty good i guess
[20:33] <EriC^^> do you have anti-malware programs?
[20:34] <hexafraction> First few reinstalls included them.
[20:34] <hexafraction> I ended up stopping, and just being vigilant (and relying on router-level firewall+built in windows firewall)
[20:34] <ray_> Sorry but I don't see #Spotchat in the list
[20:35] <EriC^^> ray_: type /server irc.spotchat.org
[20:35] <ray_> will try thanks
[20:39] <EriC^^> hexafraction: check here might be worth a try http://alternativeto.net/software/solidworks/?platform=linux
[20:39] <ray_> Thanks EriC got it
[20:39] <EriC^^> ray_: cool, no problem
[20:40] <ray_> :)
[20:46] <dave_> gggggggg
[20:51] <harris> hi
[20:53] <narf84> hi all
[20:54] <fcn> ATI Radeon driver problem here. during boot the screen turns off. what would be the problem? after X starts everything is fine. the resolution, compiz etc everything is fine.
[21:00] <narf84> what version are you using fcn ?
[21:00] <OerHeks> fcn so you see login?
[21:00] <fcn> OerHeks: yeah I can login and all VTs have correct res.
[21:01] <fcn> 12,04 LTS
[21:05] <jasabella> hi :)
[21:05] <OerHeks> fcn, well, nothing to worrie about, it isn't beautifull, nor harmfull.
[21:06] <jasabella> how complete is the hardware support for the raspberry pi2 if i install the lts release of ubuntu on it?
[21:07] <jester_0> How can you know if a ppa is trustable?
[21:07] <TheNumb> jester_0: only when you check the build scripts.
[21:07] <bekks> jester_0: You cant.
[21:07] <TheNumb> Or you know the maintainer is also the developer.
[21:08] <TheNumb> ;p
[21:08] <bekks> TheNumb: Which codesnt make it more trustable.
[21:08] <bekks> *doesnt
[21:08] <TheNumb> jester_0: but the thing is, you can never be sure
[21:08] <TheNumb> unless you build the software yourself
[21:09] <jester_0> bekks, TheNumb, thanks, I was thinking of using mamarley ppa to install an nvidia driver, I think I'll just manually install
[21:09] <Giora> Is there any way to restore systray for ubuntu 14.04?
[21:09] <bekks> jester_0: Just use the xorg-edgers ppa instead.
[21:10] <OerHeks> *if* you really need newer nvidia drivers, use xorg edgers
[21:10] <lasindi> Hi all, I know Super + W does "expose" for all windows, but is there a shortcut to do it for just windows from the same app? I specifically mean the same action as when I click on, say, the Firefox icon in the launcher (shows all Firefox windows).
[21:10] <jester_0> bekks, OerHeks, so how can I know if xorg edgers is trustable ;)
[21:11] <OerHeks> jester_0, no 1000% guarantee, but that ppa is well known, at least by 2 of the volunteers.
[21:12] <OerHeks> lasindi, hold the windows key for a shortlist
[21:12] <jester_0> OerHeks, thanks I'll have to take a look into it
[21:13] <lasindi> OerHeks, yeah, I saw that but don't see a keyboard shortcut for it.
[21:15] <OerHeks> lasindi, in ubuntu 14.10 i can alt+tab .. and wait 3 sec to show all windows
[21:15] <OerHeks> not instant
[21:16] <lasindi> OerHeks, right, yeah, I was just hoping there was an instant thing.
[21:16] <lasindi> Alt + ` is the closest I've found, but not quite the same.
[21:18] <harris> hey OerHeks
[21:19] <axgb> Hi
[21:20] <r3m11> I'm trying to set up a simple NFS on my desktop computer (ubuntu 14.04) to access files from laptops (same distrib). I thought I did everything required but still, I cant mount the NFS directory from my laptop
[21:21] <bekks> So what did you do?
[21:22] <axgb> I am trying to transfer some files onto a memory stick, but when I do, it says that the memory stick is read only. What should I do?
[21:22] <mcc> Hello, I have a kubuntu I recently installed (I have had difficulty finding anyone who is responsive in #kubuntu). The kubuntu shows up in the boot menu but windows runs instead when i run it.
[21:22] <mcc> I have this theory that shimx64.efi / grub64.efi have been accidentally deleted from my EFI partition. I do not know how to test this theory, and I do not know how to fix it if this is true.
[21:22] <bekks> axgb: mount it writable.
[21:23] <mcc> I have a working copy of Windows 8.1 and also a USB stick with a Kubuntu 15.04 beta liveCD on it.
[21:23] <bekks> axgb: Which filesystem is it?
[21:23] <axgb> fat32 I need to transfer files to a windows computer so i cant do ext
[21:23] <bekks> axgb: And how did you mount it?
[21:26] <r3m11> bekks: here is a summary of what I did
[21:27] <r3m11> I had different options in /etc/export but I end but with *(ro) assuming it is the simplest
[21:28] <r3m11> bekks: www.hastebin.com/raxeqodaba.hs
[21:32] <bekks> r3m11: your /etc/hosts.deny effectively denies everything. Delete those entries. And delte the entries in your /etc/hosts.allow as well. Restart the server.
[21:33] <axgb> bekks, how do I mount it so that it will work?
[21:35] <r3m11> bekks: nope
[21:35] <axgb> How do I mount the memory stick so it can be written to?
[21:35] <bekks> Nope what?
[21:35] <axgb> SOrry I am not very familliar with IRC
[21:35] <EriC^^> axgb: sudo mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint
[21:35] <EriC^^> type lsblk to get the mountpoint
[21:36] <r3m11> bekks: doesnt work if I delete the entry from hosts.deny and hosts.allow... even tried nothing in hosts.deny, and ALL: <IP_ADDRESS> in hosts.allow
[21:36] <axgb> eric, what do you mean by the mountpoint, I think the memory stick is SDA2
[21:36] <bekks> "doesnt work" actually means nothing. What exactly are you trying (which command, etc.) and whats the full output you get?
[21:36] <EriC^^> axgb: type sudo mount -o rw /dev/sda2 /mnt
[21:37] <PSF> Hi, can you please recommend how to setup full disk encryption manually? Because during install it works only if entire disk is deleted and in that case it wont boot because of EFI
[21:37] <axgb> what does /mnt mean? I thought it was /media where removable media is mounted?
[21:37] <PSF> axgb: means mount
[21:37] <EriC^^> axgb: it's a default mountpoint
[21:38] <axgb> Hi, Eric, it says that I must specify a filesystem type
[21:39] <EriC^^> axgb: type sudo blkid | grep /dev/sda2
[21:39] <EriC^^> or just sudo blkid /dev/sda2
[21:40] <axgb> it still says the same thing "Error, you must specify the filesystem type"
[21:40] <EriC^^> axgb: did you type sudo blkid?
[21:40] <EriC^^> it should show something else
[21:40] <EriC^^> paste what it says
[21:42] <r3m11> bekks: I meant mount -t nfs does not work, with exactly the same output as in the paste I gave yout
[21:42] <r3m11> -t
[21:43] <bekks> r3m11: Your path contains whitespaces. Dont do that.
[21:44] <axgb> Eric, sorry, I said SDa2, when I meant SDA1. I have done what you said again but with the correct one
[21:44] <EriC^^> axgb: the mount command?
[21:44] <bekks> r3m11:O Or did I misread the mount command?
[21:44] <axgb> I think so
[21:44] <bekks> r3m11: Can you please give use the full command you are using?
[21:45] <r3m11> bekks: it doesnt, it's actually the mount point (read ./Images)
[21:45] <axgb> Eric, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847369/
[21:45] <r3m11> the full command is the one I pasted. What more ?
[21:46] <bekks> r3m11: You are trying to mount it as NFSv4, while the server provides a share for NFSv3 only.
[21:49] <axgb> Eric, Thank you so much for your help, I fiddled a bit and entered the command in again and I have got it to work now. Thank you so much for your help
[21:49] <arrrghhh> hello.  I used the disk-to-disk option to replace a small disk with a larger disk on my ubuntu box... however I can't boot now with the new disk, and it seems clonezilla did not do this properly.  what is the 'best' way to do this?  dd I suppose would work, but is really slow
[21:49] <EriC^^> axgb: ok, i think it's /dev/sdb1 right?
[21:50] <axgb> I have got it to work now, but it seemed to have changed to /dev/sdc1 for some reason
[21:50] <bekks> arrrghhh: disk-to-disk option clonezilla?
[21:51] <axgb> So if I have any problems in the future, can I type that command you gave me in to the terminal, with the correct /dev/(whatever) in and it should work?
[21:51] <bvemu>  #django-floppyforms
[21:51] <EriC^^> axgb: oh ok, sometimes it happens to me too when i put another usb and then remove it
[21:51] <arrrghhh> bekks, yes.
[21:51] <EriC^^> axgb: yeah, you can see a better view of the disks with the name and size with sudo parted -l
[21:52] <bekks> arrrghhh: Did you try booting a livecd and repair grub?
[21:52] <EriC^^> or lsblk if you need it quickly
[21:52] <Bashing-om> arrrghhh: Did you verify/change the UUIDs in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/grub.cfg in accordance to what -> sudo blkid <- reveals ?
[21:52] <axgb> Ok thank you for your help eric
[21:52] <EriC^^> axgb: no problem
[21:53] <wowa_s_> hi
[21:53] <arrrghhh> bekks, I was going to try that but the partitions show 'unknown' in gparted for some reason...
[21:53] <arrrghhh> bekks, I have ext4 with LVM... does LVM cause issues with clonezilla?
[21:53] <crosse> hi
[21:54] <bekks> arrrghhh: No.
[21:54] <wowa_s> Finally got irc working on my iPhone!
[21:55] <crosse> pcsx2 in ubuntu
[21:55] <hexafraction> crosse: What is your question? Do you need help installing it? Configuring it? Running it?
[21:55] <arrrghhh> bekks, so I'm booted with a liveusb and the 'new' drive installed... gparted shows the filesystem as unknown for some reason...
[21:56] <crosse> yes
[21:56] <crosse> install
[21:57] <bvemu__> #django
[21:58] <crosse> how to install pcsx2 in ubuntu
[21:58] <wowa_s> Gdc by
[21:58] <wowa_s_> hi
[21:58] <wowa_s> Hi there
[21:59] <crosse> hi
[22:01] <arrrghhh> Bashing-om, maybe I'm missing some steps.  I was hoping to just clone from one disk to the other as I have to use an 'interim' disk... there's only 1 s-ata and 1 p-ata port on this thing
[22:02] <zerowaitstate> crosse: they tend to not discuss game box emulators in here. patent and copyright litigation and all that.
[22:02] <r3m11> thanks bekks that was indeed nfs v3
[22:02] <Guest95844> hi guys is here a league of legends channel_
[22:03] <r3m11> how comes client tries to mount nfs v4 be default while server is nfsv3 using the same distrib ?
[22:03] <bazhang> !alis | Guest95844
[22:03] <crosse> ok i will go to hell thnx
[22:05] <zerowaitstate> crosse: not asking you to go there specifically, just letting you know the limitations of the venue.
[22:05] <Guest95844> isnt it easier to google that rather than asking here
[22:06] <zerowaitstate> Guest95844: frequently
[22:07] <OerHeks> zerowaitstate, pcsx2 is not offtopic, the games are. crosse see https://launchpad.net/~gregory-hainaut/+archive/ubuntu/pcsx2.official.ppa
[22:07] <Guest95844> i am trying to get league of legends working properly on my system, but there's noone at #playonlinux to help me out :(
[22:07] <bekks> Guest95844: So you have to wait then.
[22:08] <crosse> zerowaitstate : thnx thnx
[22:08] <Guest95844> okay
[22:09] <crosse> oerhek: thnx
[22:11] <r3m11> bye now
[22:12] <Guest71399> nic?
[22:12] <Guest71399> hello all
[22:12] <Guest71399> cls
[22:13] <Guest71399> Is there a Xubuntu chat room ?
[22:13] <SchrodingersScat> !xubuntu | Guest71399
[22:13] <Guest71399> thanks
[22:14] <ahmad> hoi
[22:16] <crosse> ahmad what is your question
[22:23] <wowa_s> hi
[22:23] <wowa_s> oioij
[22:25] <Blue1> !ask | wowa_s
[22:26] <Blue1> !ask | blue1
[22:27] <vitimiti> wowa_s_ is spamming somebody else?
[22:38] <arrrghhh> ddrescue seemed to work... oh well
[22:41] <mcc> Hello. I've reinstalled grub. It put me at a shell. I have *literally no idea* how to use this. I am trying to run this guide: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell.html#GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell
[22:41] <mcc> However when I type "normal" nothing happens, nothing at all, not even an error message.
[22:41] <EriC^^> mcc: type ls -l
[22:43] <mcc> How do I proceed?
[22:43] <mcc> eric, "invalid file name -l". to be clear i am not in bash. i am in grub.
[22:43] <EriC^^> yeah i know
[22:43] <EriC^^> i think you have uefi huh?
[22:43] <mcc> i have UEFI.
[22:43] <EriC^^> yeah, do you have a live usb?
[22:43] <mcc> oh wait
[22:43] <mcc> you said ls -1?
[22:44] <EriC^^> no -l
[22:44] <scuba323|afk> l
[22:44] <EriC^^> it won't work
[22:44] <mcc> neither -1 or -l work
[22:44] <mcc> is there a way to tell the grub prompt to boot the menu?
[22:44] <EriC^^> mcc: try guessing the partitions, type ls '(hd1,gpt1)'
[22:44] <mcc> which partition am i looking for?
[22:45] <mcc> the EFI partition is (hd1, gpt2). the linux partition is (hd1, gpt6).
[22:45] <EriC^^> you need the one with /boot
[22:45] <mcc> that will be (hd1, gpt6). what do i do with it?
[22:45] <EriC^^> ok type ls '(hd1,gpt6)'/boot/grub
[22:45] <ray_> Hi EriC
[22:45] <EriC^^> hi ray_ :)
[22:46] <mcc> ./ ../ x86_64-efi/ unicode.pf2 locale/ fonts/ i386-pc/ grubenv grub.fg
[22:46] <mcc> i mean grub.cfg
[22:46] <ray_> need help again :)
[22:46] <EriC^^> ray_: with what?
[22:46] <EriC^^> mcc: type configfile '(hd1,gpt6)'/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[22:47] <ray_> I thought I found the default server irc but I didn't :(
[22:47] <ray_> is it in Freenode server?
[22:47] <EriC^^> nope, it's on spotnet.org
[22:47] <mcc> huh
[22:47] <mcc> eric, that worked, thank you so much! :O
[22:47] <ray_> where do I have to insert that?
[22:47] <ray_> sorry I'm new
[22:48] <EriC^^> mcc: great, no problem
[22:48] <mcc> Eric, will I need to do that every time I boot up?
[22:48] <EriC^^> mcc: no, run sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sdX when you boot into ubuntu and then sudo update-grub
[22:48] <mcc> cool
[22:48] <EriC^^> get your disk with sudo parted -l and replace the sdX part
[22:49] <EriC^^> ray_: type /server irc.spotchat.org then type /join #linuxmint-help
[22:49] <mcc> it was sda in the installer. will it still be sda or can i not assume that
[22:49] <EriC^^> !mint
[22:50] <EriC^^> yeah it's spotchat , not spotnet
[22:50] <ray_> in this box EriC or do I have to add a new server?
[22:50] <EriC^^> mcc: yeah, if you didn't put any hdd's in it most likely is, really easy to check though
[22:50] <BZWingZero> I'm having trouble with a samba share. I can create files in the share via another (windows) computer, but they're being created with the wrong permissions. They're being created as 0770 but need to be 0774
[22:50] <BZWingZero> I have set the correct masks in my samba config, but they seem to be ignored
[22:51] <EriC^^> ray_: as you wish, you can type it here or press ctrl+t and open a new server
[22:51] <ray_> will try that thanks :)
[22:51] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[22:52] <wowa_s> Hi
[22:52] <wowa_s> Can you see this?
[22:52] <EriC^^> BZWingZero: i don't know much about samba, but do you mount it in linux in fstab or so?
[22:52] <EriC^^> BZWingZero: maybe it's mounted with noexec or something?
[22:52] <BZWingZero> the share is on my linux server, I'm mapping it from my windows desktop, EriC^^
[22:52] <EriC^^> BZWingZero: nevermind
[22:53] <EriC^^> i somehow thought the last 4 was for exec :D
[22:53] <BZWingZero> read :)
[22:53] <EriC^^> yeah also for others
[22:53] <wowa_s> Can anyone see what I'm saying?
[22:53] <EriC^^> i missed it by a football field :D
[22:53] <BZWingZero> wowa_s, good comm
[22:54] <mcc> Eric: I guess --recheck is what I didn't do before. The help said that did "delete device map if it already exists"-- is that a good thing then? What does it mean? :O
[22:54] <EriC^^> BZWingZero: maybe it has to do with the umask?
[22:56] <sssazzz> I am in Terminal and have accessed ~/.local/share/Trash/files. I would like to know if there is a shorthand for this long file path within terminal. Like nautilus &.
[22:56] <sssazzz> Where & = ~/.local/share/Trash/files.
[22:56] <bubbletea> hi
[22:57] <mah454> Hello
[22:57] <EriC^^> mcc: i think the device map was something used before, but it's not that common anymore
[22:58] <mah454> I have a laptop lenovo Z510 , and installed ubuntu 14.10 on it , but can not detect Geforce 740M Graphic card !!! please view this : http://pastebin.com/YLPgAnHS
[22:58] <EriC^^> mcc: if it's a fresh install, sometimes people have to reinstall grub, it happens occasionally
[22:58] <mah454> How can fix this problem ?
[22:58] <EriC^^> i don't know why
[22:59] <edition> how can I boot from a USB from the grub command line?
[22:59] <EriC^^> edition: boot another installation that's on a usb? or a live usb?
[23:00] <edition> it contains windows 7, copied across using 'dd'.
[23:00] <bubbletea> so I'm trying to bootcamp ubuntu on my old mbc http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook_pro_2.16_17.html
[23:01] <bubbletea> if it's possible what version should I be getting? if it's too weak, is there an alternate ubuntu that is updated and can run on older machines? or like.. what? (linux noob)
[23:01] <EriC^^> edition: http://askubuntu.com/questions/135272/how-to-boot-into-windows-7-when-grub-is-installed-in-the-windows-partition go to the possible workaround to boot windows 7 part
[23:02] <edition> thanks
[23:02] <EriC^^> edition: type ls -l in grub to get the partitions and then replace hd0,msdos1 with the windows one
[23:03] <EriC^^> edition: also try without the search line cause you need the uuid
[23:04] <bubbletea> should I use Lubuntu
[23:04] <SchrodingersScat> sssazzz: I wouldn't try to use &, that's already used to background processes.  you can set variables though, var="~/foo/bar/" ; echo "$var"
[23:08] <guardian99> hello.... i am trying to get vsftpd running in ubuntu.... ive followed these instructions ** https://www.liquidweb.com/kb/how-to-install-and-configure-vsftpd-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts/ ** and made sure port 21 was unblocked, but i keep getting "Access denied" using both root and my user "admin" with WINSCP.... Filezilla says "Critical error: Could not connect to server"
[23:09] <BZWingZero> EriC^^, I tried adjusting the create mask to 777 as a sanity check, it then creates the file with rwxrwx-wx permissions.
[23:09] <BZWingZero> I'm not very confused
[23:09] <EriC^^> hehe
[23:09] <BZWingZero> err am very confused
[23:09] <hkrrsx> guardian99: Stupid question, is vsftpd running on the box?     sudo netstat -ntlp | grep : 21
[23:11] <guardian99> grep: 21: No such file or directory
[23:12] <hkrrsx> Sorry .... sudo netstat -ntlp | grep :21
[23:12] <hkrrsx> There was an extra space between the : and 21
[23:12] <EriC^^> BZWingZero: it's pretty odd
[23:12] <guardian99> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:21              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      4342/vsftpd
[23:12] <hkrrsx> Can you FTP locally?
[23:13] <hkrrsx> As in, ftp localhost ?
[23:13] <EriC^^> then again, i don't know much about samba, there's a guide thought i think
[23:13] <EriC^^> !samba
[23:13] <EriC^^> *though
[23:13] <sssazzz> SchrodingersScat: But if I'm already inside a directory, isn't there a way for me to extract the path to said directory without copy + paste?
[23:13] <sssazzz> Or having to type it out?
[23:14] <SchrodingersScat> sssazzz: pwd?  echo "$(pwd)" #for example
[23:14] <guardian99> hkrrsx: Name (localhost:admin): admin
[23:14] <guardian99> 331 Please specify the password.
[23:14] <guardian99> Password:
[23:14] <guardian99> 530 Login incorrect.
[23:14] <guardian99> Login failed.
[23:14] <guardian99> crap sorry
[23:15] <sssazzz> SchrodingersScat: Thank you
[23:15] <EriC^^> sssazzz: if you're in the dir all you have to do is type nautilus .
[23:15] <EriC^^> and it will open the current dir in nautilus
[23:16] <sssazzz> Thank you
[23:16] <hkrrsx> guardian99: Try resetting the password of the user ?
[23:16] <SchrodingersScat> sssazzz: welcome, there's also the bash wiki, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide and then #bash
[23:16] <hkrrsx> guardian99: Also, what about the permissions of the landing folder? Does it have read and execute permissions?
[23:17] <guardian99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847848/
[23:18] <hkrrsx> guardian99: Perhaps add your admin user to the 'ftp' group ?
[23:19] <idenkov> Do you have local_enable=YES  accounts in /etc/vsftp.conf?
[23:19] <hkrrsx> idenkov: +1
[23:20] <guardian99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847859/
[23:20] <idenkov> What is it output from id admin
[23:21] <guardian99> - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847860/
[23:21] <guardian99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847862/
[23:22] <hkrrsx> guardian99: Do you have a log file in /var/log/vsftpd.log that gives more details ?
[23:22] <Guest8736> que programa puedo utilizar para bajar videos de youtube
[23:23] <hkrrsx> guardian99: Can you log in to vsftpd with the account you're currently logged into Ubuntu with ?
[23:24] <idenkov> sudo usermod -a -G groupName userName
[23:24] <guardian99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847872/ - log file
[23:25] <hkrrsx> Looks like it was just recently working .... Sat Apr 18 18:25:54 2015 [pid 2192] [admin] OK LOGIN: Client "user.ip.address"
[23:25] <guardian99> ive never gotten in...
[23:25] <hkrrsx> Your log file says you did
[23:26] <hkrrsx> Did you not get the directory listing or something?
[23:26] <guardian99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847876/
[23:26] <guardian99> it wont auth, WINSCP still says "Access Denied" and filezilla says "Critical error: Could not connect to server"
[23:26] <hkrrsx> Access denied is usually a username/password issue
[23:29] <guardian99> i just rebooted and logged in with the same user / pass that vsftpd wont let me use
[23:30] <hkrrsx> Ok, so the account you're logging into Ubuntu with ....... you can not log into vsftpd with that same account credentials ?
[23:30] <guardian99> right
[23:30] <hkrrsx> Pastebin your /etc/vsftpd.conf file, please
[23:31] <guardian99> any easy way to copy an entire file to the clipboard?
[23:31] <hkrrsx> cat /etc/vsftpd.conf | pastebinit
[23:31] <Nikke__>  /leave
[23:31] <guardian99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847895/
[23:33] <hkrrsx> Try uncommenting the #local_umask=022 part
[23:33] <hkrrsx> And then ' sudo service vsftpd restart '
[23:34] <hkrrsx> It wouldn't be a the end of the world to also un-comment the #xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log line
[23:35] <guardian99> ok done, restarted, cant login
[23:36] <guardian99> /var/log/vsftpd.log says im logging in, believe me im not
[23:36] <hkrrsx> Question, what made you choose vsftpd over proftpd ?
[23:36] <guardian99> Sat Apr 18 18:23:07 2015 [pid 24778] CONNECT: Client
[23:36] <guardian99> vsftpd was higher on the google hit list? :)
[23:37] <hkrrsx> lol ... I find proftpd MUCH easier to deal with, care to remove vsftpd and give proftpd a shot ?
[23:37] <idenkov> I don't even know why do people still use ftp software like this when you can use sshd for sftp
[23:37] <svetlana> why are we running an ftp daemon? sftp is more secure and easier to use
[23:37] <svetlana> haha the timing :)
[23:37] <idenkov> :D
[23:38] <guardian99> well for me im trying to install plugins for wordpress
[23:39] <idenkov> can't you do it from the wordpress backend?
[23:39] <hkrrsx> idenkov:  svetlana: I can SFTP to proftpd without error or latency
 Yeah I just don't see the point another service running when I can use existing one
[23:40] <idenkov> *running
[23:40] <idenkov> lol can't type
[23:41] <hkrrsx> idenkov:  The idea is not to run 2 FTP services (would fail to bind to port 21 anyways), I'm trying to replace one for another
[23:41] <blargg> I did a package update for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS yesterday and yet again it's enabled a 5-minute screensaver, even though Brightness and Lock shows Never for screensaver, xset s off has been executed by me, and gnome-screensaver-command --exit has been executed. How do I disable the screensaver? It puts my monitor to sleep after 5 minutes.
[23:43] <Trinity>  hi i'm working with a 3rd party HTTPServer and i'm able to get consistent responses if I run the httpserver manually, if I run it with Java ProcessBuilder even if I append nohup and & (i'm using linux) it will stop responding after 465 requests everytime
[23:43] <guardian99> hkrrsx: and that works instantly
[23:43] <guardian99> sigh
[23:43] <Trinity> from this i know that it must be an implementation issue, is there a specific linux command I can run to have the process run with all of it's resources?
[23:43] <guardian99> tyvm, amazing how much easier that was
[23:43] <hkrrsx> guardian99: I'm sorry and congratulations :)
[23:51] <banchu> ls
[23:51] <banchu> list
[23:51] <banchu> hi
[23:51] <dongerino> hi there
[23:52] <banchu> hi dongerino
[23:52] <kostkon> !list
[23:52] <banchu> hi qsaq
[23:53] <banchu> hi Iap
[23:53] <banchu> exit


[10:30] <Atluxity> hello good fellows! I am currently at a bug squashing party in Oslo for Ubuntu and Debian. Trying to get myself started and more knowledgable. Thanks for the helpful links in topic, it was what I was looking for :)
[12:02] <Atluxity> I am trying to attack https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unixodbc/+bug/1239187
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1239187 in unixodbc (Ubuntu) "Typo" [Undecided,New]
[12:02] <Atluxity> I thought I could just download the package and fix something there
[12:02] <Atluxity> I must be misguided
[12:02] <Atluxity> any tips?
[12:10]  * penguin42 looks
[12:11] <Atluxity> thanks
[12:12] <penguin42> oh, translations hmm I think they're special - not done any of those
[12:13] <Atluxity> ok, then I'm moving on
[12:13] <penguin42> perhaps try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation
[12:13] <Atluxity> will look, thanks
[17:36] <penguin42> the udev dumps in bug reports contain a lot of detail, names of partitions/labels etc
[17:36] <penguin42> could worry some people


[08:21] <liushuyu> Hi there, is there any AA available to process a source package removal request? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cargo/+bug/2027551 Thank you!
[08:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2027551 in cargo (Ubuntu) "Removal of cargo source package" [Undecided, New]
[08:29] <schopin> liushuyu: you want to subscribe ubuntu-archive to that bug :)
[08:30] <schopin> Also, if you want to engage them on IRC, there's a dedicated alias on #ubuntu-release (but for your situation, subscribing the team to the bug should suffice)
[08:40] <liushuyu> schopin: I will do both
[10:11] <Guest55> Hello, I want to start with to help developing ubuntu/bug fix and dosen't have any idea where to start. I had read about ubuntu official documentation to find repository etc. but is difficult to get overview where to start. What I need to get access to code ?
[10:13] <Guest55> and how to start and where ?
[10:15] <rbasak> Guest55: hello! Do you have a specific bug you're trying to fix first?
[10:48] <Guest55> rbasak I don't have any specific bug fix yet. I wanna just want to look at source code and figure out how it is working
[10:49] <Guest55> rbasak lunchpad.net is there where I start ?
[10:50] <rbasak> Guest55: are you familiar with the packaging system? Eg. the difference between binary packages and source packages, and how to identify a source package name?
[10:51] <Guest55> nope I'm totally begining from scratch
[10:51] <Guest55> I have developing expirience. But not system development
[10:52] <rbasak> I'm not sure there's a good guide that will help you from that starting point.
[10:52] <rbasak> THere's https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/index.html and https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook
[10:52] <rbasak> You could see how you get on there.
[10:52] <rbasak> And feel free to ask any specific questions you have here
[10:53] <ogra> I'd start by crawling launchpad bugs and see were you can supply fixes for packages ... thats a good starting exercise IMHO
[10:55] <Guest55> rbasak and ogra thak you so much for help both of you. Yeah I want to start with small steps, and figure out how it all works.
[11:02] <ginggs> @pilot in
[11:03] <ginggs> please keep your seatbelts fastened
[11:39]  * ogra waits for the flight attendant to serve some drinks ....
[12:10] <rbasak> It's 2023. You'll be waiting a while :-P
[12:17] <ahasenack> dbungert: I'm +1 to upload the ocaml-dune fix to ubuntu while we wait
[12:50] <ddstreet> mapreri teward aug 2 works for me, i'll send an updated calendar invite
[12:57] <Tenkawa>   Tenkawa: Greetings...Anyone currently actively working with RISC-V? I have taken a Lunar image on a VisionFive 2and updated it with the work in progress mainline 6.4 kernel which is working fine with microsd root, usb3 wifi, etc, however the one thing I am running into is any NVME drives being attached via usb (multiple cases and drives) all stop in a Spinning up phase.. I have applied the normal quirks/etc to take uas and such out of the
[12:57] <Tenkawa>  equation however it
[12:57] <Tenkawa> [08:37:47]  Tenkawa:  seems that there is something specific here. Anyone else seen this? I am not seeing this with usb thumbdrives that I tested with.
[12:58] <ogra> xypron, ^^^
[12:58] <Tenkawa> my end goal is to move the rootfs to boot from the NVME how I had it before since the SPI is capable of it now.
[12:58] <Tenkawa> ogra: thanks for pointing me over
[12:59] <ogra> yeah, i'm wondering if we have/should have a dedictated risc-v channel ... we surely do for arm ...
[12:59] <Tenkawa> It is starting to  get active now too
[13:01] <Tenkawa> I had been working only on Debian with it however I am starting to add Ubuntu with my reseearch
[13:01] <Tenkawa> I'll idle for now.. need to go to an appointment
[13:07] <xypron> Tenkawa: Yes Canonical is working on RISC-V. We regret that not all the needed patches are yet accepted upstream. So the support for the VisionFive board in Ubuntu is a bit sketchy. Esmil on the ubuntu-kernel channel would know what the status of kernel patches is.
[14:41] <Tenkawa> xypron: I work with Esmil and aurel32 on this...
[14:42] <Tenkawa> Debian images are currently not exhibiting these symptoms with the same kernel in my testing
[14:43] <Tenkawa> That's why I was looking to see if anyone had been successful in using the usb in this manner on Ubuntu yet with my setup
[14:43] <Tenkawa> I'll be spending the day now that I'm home doing more debugging
[15:00] <ginggs> @pilot out
[15:00] <ginggs> thank you for choosing Ubuntu Air!
[15:05] <jbicha> @pilot in
[15:19] <Tenkawa> Mantic is the dev branch right?
[15:19] <Tenkawa> (I want to make sure I get the names right... I'm not sure of the newer names)
[15:20] <dbungert> Yes, mantic is the dev release, future 23.10
[15:21] <dbungert> ahasenack: ack, will upload my 2 outstanding ocaml patches to Ubuntu
[15:23] <Tenkawa> dbungert: thanks. I'm going to look at moving my testing there.
[15:28] <ogra> ginggs, it was a pleaseure ! no turbulences or anything !
[15:28] <ogra> *pleasure
[16:18] <Tenkawa> Updating to Mantic fixed the problem
[16:18] <Tenkawa> Now it can read the usb bridge with no other changes..
[16:25] <Tenkawa> Not performing the greatest but at least communicating...
[16:46] <ahasenack> o
[17:46] <andrewsh> hi all
[17:47] <andrewsh> please remind me how to request a patch to be included in a package shipped in a supported release (LTS or not)
[17:47] <andrewsh> I can’t remember how the process is called and my Google skills fail me
[17:48] <ahasenack> andrewsh: a Stable Release Update (SRU)?
[17:48] <ahasenack> does that ring a bell?
[17:48] <ahasenack> that would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[17:48] <andrewsh> thanks!
[17:50] <andrewsh> okay, another question
[17:50] <andrewsh> say, for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-github-containers-toolbox
[17:51] <andrewsh> does it make sense to backport just one patch I want to get fixed to jammy and kinetic, or can I request to sync lunar’s version (which has the bug fixed) into jammy and kinetic
[17:51] <andrewsh> ?
[17:51] <ahasenack> generaly just one patch will be preferred
[18:16] <jbicha> andrewsh: you can ignore Kinetic since it will be End of Life next week
[19:00] <jbicha> @pilot out
[22:11] <andrewsh> jbicha: thanks!


[00:01] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I ran OurProject through urlvoid to test it on various malware checking and blacklist checking sites and it comes up clean. Here's the report: http://www.urlvoid.com/scan/ourproject.org/
[00:01]  * littlegirl is off to feed and will be back later. (:
[00:03] <shadeslayer> hmm, so all was discussed was documentation?
[00:08] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer, not by choice just was not much developers Riddell said
[00:08] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[00:09] <ahoneybun> I believe he said that
[00:09] <shadeslayer> -> only available from 8 AM UTC to 5 PM UTC <- I'd like to keep a sane work schedule :P
[00:10]  * ahoneybun wonders how to get his @kubuntu.org email alias
[00:11] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: its<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:11] <shadeslayer> which points to your address on Launchpad
[00:11] <shadeslayer> ( the primary email address on launchpad )
[00:11] <ahoneybun> I tried that
[00:13] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:13] <ahoneybun> wait
[00:14] <ahoneybun> nope does not work
[00:23] <ahoneybun> now it worked
[03:16] <rohan> i am not able to connect to WPA2-TLS in kubuntu 13.10. is that a known bug?
[07:49] <apachelogger> rohan: no
[07:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:43] <apachelogger> W: Failed to fetch http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/Release.gpg  Cannot initiate the connection to at.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2a00:1860:1:2::101). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2a00:1860:1:2::101 80]
[08:43] <apachelogger> now why it try to use ipv6
[10:15] <shadeslayer> sigh, someone is still building kopete git for 12.10 -.-
[10:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:23] <shadeslayer> morning
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah was a lot of docs chat
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the main topic we didn't cover was merges
[10:44] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also I'd like to chat about logind and systemd and whatnot
[10:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there was a discussion about plasma startup in #plasma minutes ago
[10:45] <shadeslayer> you might want to read up
[10:45] <Riddell> hmm I wasn't on channel
[10:46] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6335052/
[10:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mostly it seems like KDE is going to go the systemd way
[10:50] <shadeslayer> but maybe we can generate upstart files by parsing systemd files / whatever
[10:50] <Riddell> wibble
[10:50] <shadeslayer> but even then, certain features might not be available, might be fiddly
[10:51]  * shadeslayer is not well versed on init systems currently to comment on this
[10:52] <shadeslayer> so if someone who is better at this wants to bring it up, now is the time
[10:52] <shadeslayer> else, it's going to be systemd
[10:53] <tester56> hi, does anyone know the upstream location of "kde-gtk-config" package?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> see the package description
[10:53] <Riddell> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/kde-gtk-config
[10:54] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/kde-gtk-config
[10:54] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I presume we can live with systemd since gnome uses it and ubuntu/unity adapts what they have, but it would scare me
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: As far as I can see systemd is going to be a second class citizen on Ubuntu
[10:55] <Riddell> is that a good way to think of it?  isn't it more that they nick bits and reimplement bits as needed?
[10:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yo, ping me when you want me to set up the account
[10:56] <shadeslayer> sounds about right
[10:56] <Quintasan> It's not even a second class citizen/
[10:56] <shadeslayer> so, not even second class citizen
[10:56] <Quintasan> systemd package in Ubuntu is so crippled it's not systemd
[10:56] <shadeslayer> I believe frankenstien is the word for it ;)
[10:56] <Quintasan> Namely - it doesn't even have the systemd binary
[10:57] <shadeslayer> I am quite lost as to what we're going to do for PW2 btw
[10:59] <tester56> Riddell, shadesplayer thx, stupid question, but where can i report bugs?
[11:03] <Riddell> tester56: bugs.kde.org
[11:03] <tester56> btw: where is the kubuntu artwork launchpad page? I would have a suggestion for the default air plasma theme: when logging out there is a moon shown, which makes no sense to me, the kubuntu logo would make more sense. I have patched that on my install
[11:04] <Riddell> tester56: we don't generally change upstream artwork
[11:04] <Riddell> tester56: that image used to be a konqi the dragon but I was overruled back in the day in favour of the moon
[11:05] <tester56> you do change stuff, for example you change the kde-logo in kickoff to a kubuntu one
[11:06] <Quintasan> Uh I don't think we do that tester56
[11:06] <tester56> (KDEDESKTOP -> Kubuntu)
[11:06] <Quintasan> Ah
[11:06] <Quintasan> I'm using the classic menu
[11:08] <tester56> okay if you say you wont change that, it's okay ... was just a suggestion ... but it would only be an effort of 1 minute
[11:08] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage kte-collaborative 0.2
[11:08] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246673
[11:08] <Riddell> tester56: upstream request that we change that
[11:09] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1246433 for your SRU eyes
[11:10] <tester56> Riddell: I am afraid I don't know what you mean by that
[11:11] <Riddell> tester56: KDE devs request that we change the logo in the kickoff menu but would prefer us not to change artwork elsewhere, since we like the KDE artwork we don't feel there's any need to change it elsewhere
[11:11] <soee> good morning
[11:12] <tester56> Riddell, okay, thanks for pointing out
[11:20]  * Riddell posts to list suggesting not to do a mass merge
[11:20] <Riddell> I see https://merges.ubuntu.com/ isn't even updated anyway
[11:37] <debfx> MoM looks only at unstable, not experimental
[11:37] <Riddell> right but it's useful for all our non-KDE SC packages
[11:40] <debfx> what isn't up-to-date in MoM?
[11:41] <Riddell> aah, I clicked the wrong link
[11:42] <Riddell> I clicked the manual merges link
[11:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: cor neon5 has 3 PPAs?  how often does the kf5 one build?
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: daily
[11:58] <shadeslayer> well, whenever LP detects changes in bzr
[11:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the difference with kf5-daily?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> packages are copied from kf5 to kf5-daily whenever all packages build in kf5
[11:58] <Riddell> aah
[11:58] <shadeslayer> then someone smoke tests them and moves them to weekly
[11:58] <Riddell> aah
[11:59] <Riddell> clever
[11:59] <shadeslayer> quite
[11:59] <shadeslayer> you can even move them by adding PROMOTE to the PPA description
[11:59] <shadeslayer> automation ftw
[12:00] <Riddell> nifty
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: read the descriptions :P
[12:07]  * shadeslayer rages against kuiserverjobtracker
[12:07] <shadeslayer> no apol as well
[12:14] <apachelogger> hiding?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> probably
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw what does muon use for authorization?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> the password dialog that pops up and what not
[12:15] <shadeslayer> I think I screwed my system somehow because I can't run qapt-batch --update
[12:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: polkit
[12:16] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:17] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.5.2
[12:17] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246696
[12:19] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[12:19] <shadeslayer> utterly broken my system is]
[12:24] <apachelogger> that's news right there
[12:32]  * shadeslayer has to reinstall
[12:37] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion cmake
[12:37] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion'
[12:38] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion cmake 2.8.12
[12:38] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246701
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ could you do the needful? I have no upload rights for cmake
[12:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the needful?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> grab new cmake from https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5 , check if everything is good, and upload to trusty?
[12:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: onto it
[12:40] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[13:23] <tester56> does anyone know a general solution for the following problem: If you have an application and you want to find out the location of an icon in the toolbar, how would you do that?
[13:23] <tester56> (kde applications)
[13:24] <Riddell> tester56: i.e. you look at a GUI and go "that's a nice icon, I wonder what the file is that stores it"?
[13:24] <tester56> for example
[13:24] <Riddell> you'd need to look through the source to find the name of the icon
[13:25] <Riddell> then it might be a file local to the application or it might be from the oxygen-icon-theme
[13:25] <tester56> but the image has to exist somewhere in the file system
[13:25] <tester56> yeah but i don't know if the icon is part of oxygen or if it is an application specific one
[13:25] <Riddell> I guess you could also use strace and grep to see what icon files it opens
[13:25] <Riddell> although it might be cached
[13:26] <tester56> how do icon theme creators handle that situation?
[13:26] <tester56> afk -> lunch
[13:27] <Riddell> with difficulty
[13:27] <Riddell> there's a freedesktop icon theme spec which lists many icons you need
[13:27] <Riddell> but you also just need to see what's in oxygen-icons and copy them
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: tester56 there's also kiconfinder
[13:46] <tester56> shadesplayer: and how does that work?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> tester56. kiconfinder nameofplasmoid
[13:48] <tester56> yeah, but that is not what i am looking for
[13:49] <tester56> Riddell: how would the strace method work?
[13:50] <Riddell> strace konsole 2>&1  | grep usr/share/icon
[13:50] <Riddell> might do it, but they might also be cached
[13:52] <tester56> okay, lets do it with a simple example: kmenuedit: there is a new submenu icon ... let's find out the location of that icon
[13:53] <tester56> strace kmenuedit 2>&1  | grep usr/share/icon reveals nothing
[13:54] <Riddell> /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmenuedit/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/menu_new.png ?
[13:54] <Riddell> kmenuedit is from kde-workspace (apt-cache showsrc kmenuedit)
[13:55] <Riddell> apt-get source kde-workspace  to get the code
[13:55] <Riddell> cd kde-workspace-4.11.1/kmenuedit
[13:55] <Riddell> grep "New Submenu" *
[13:55] <Riddell> ah it's in kmenuedit.cpp
[13:55] <Riddell> less kmenuedit.cpp
[13:56] <Riddell> I see "New Submenu" is a KAction which a couple lines above has     action->setIcon(KIcon("menu_new"));
[13:56] <Riddell> locate menu_new
[13:56] <Riddell> comes up with /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmenuedit/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/menu_new.png
[13:56] <Riddell> voila :)
[13:57] <Riddell> which is local to kmenuedit and in the pixmaps directory as hi22-action-menu_new.png
[14:00] <tester56> Riddell: nice, thank you very much!
[14:00] <tester56> that should always work, given the source of the application
[14:01] <Riddell> yep
[14:04] <mikhas> Riddell, o/
[14:05] <mikhas> thanks for everything in E., I appreciate your help/introduction very much
[14:06] <Riddell> mikhas: hope you liked it, how did the innovation day go?
[14:06] <mikhas> lots of information to process
[14:06] <mikhas> they are very friendly towards people with no medical background, that was nice
[14:06] <Riddell> will you free the NHS?
[14:07] <mikhas> yes, of course. I got inspired by william wallace when I visited the monument in Stirling
[14:07] <mikhas> ;-)
[14:07] <Riddell> excellent :)
[14:07] <mikhas> there are some big players in the field who'd happily give the software away as long as they get to keep the data
[14:08] <Riddell> they sound evil
[14:08] <mikhas> so free software + free/private data is both needed
[14:08] <mikhas> actually they have cookies and dress nicely
[14:08] <Riddell> the worst sort
[14:08] <mikhas> if only someone from KDE would work on a private cloud thing or so
[14:08] <mikhas> ;-)
[14:09] <Riddell> someone who kolaborated on an own cloud maybe
[14:09] <mikhas> yeah, too bad we wouldn't know of anyone
[14:11] <mikhas> Riddell, do you feel motivated to remain involved there?
[14:15] <Riddell> mikhas: I'm not especially involved currently, I just helped kirstin her hack event
[14:15] <Riddell> but happy to help any way I can
[14:16] <mikhas> well, critical feedback or "insider" information about local organizations in that area, might be useful
[14:16] <mikhas> I currently look at bioquarter and don't know what to make from that
[14:17] <mikhas> sounds good in general but also very patent friendly
[14:18] <mikhas> (is commercialisation a real word even?)
[14:18] <tester56> Riddell: thank you very very much
[14:20] <Riddell> yes they'll be into commercialisation and monetisation with patents
[14:20] <Riddell> which may be fine, I don't know anything about the ethics of patents on biotechnology
[15:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer, apachelogger: could you copy cmake from kf5 to weekly and daily PPAs?
[16:36] <Riddell> (or add me to the team so I can do it)
[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> yofel valorie ScottK shadeslayer jussi could you please respond to my fund request as soon as possible so that (if approved) I can get the cheap price and not loose the reservation.
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> it expires on 2013.11.01 1:00 PM UTC (tommorow)
[16:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's not how weekly and daily work
[16:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: I know, but it's how I work :)
[16:38] <apachelogger> why would you want to copy them?
[16:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: because I'm using weekyly and now I want to build git which needs the new cmake only in kf5
[16:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: so there's an incentive to make sure all framework branches build tomorrow :P
[16:48] <jussi> quick membership meeting for ovidiu-florin :P :P
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: question, what is your agenda for the munich meetup?
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> I would like to fix some KDE Bugs, work on the Kubuntu Docummentation and (finally) meet some of you guys.
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[17:16] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: If you could send a slightly detailed plan for the documentation to the mailing list, I'll vote
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> we talked about it yesterday on the mumble
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ah I see, I thought ahoneybun wrote the plan
[17:17]  * shadeslayer looks
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> I'll be translating some of the content we have on the romanian Kubuntu site and adding it to the official wiki
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> mostly regarding the Installation of Kubuntu
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ahoneybun asked littlegirl to write a outline of the meeting
[17:19] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: should I still send that documentation plan to the mailing list?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> not the same document, just outline what you want to do at the sprint
[17:24] <shadeslayer> will help KC decide
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: sent
[17:37] <rohan> could someone help with a network manager issue? I am unable to make and save changes to an 802.11 WPA2-enterprise wifi connection.
[17:45] <apachelogger> support is in #kubuntu
[17:54] <rohan> i'm unable to add WPA2-TLS connections even on the livecd
[17:54] <rohan> and with saucy-proposed upgrades
[19:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: What do your SRU powers can tell about kdeconnect-kde?
[19:29] <Quintasan> nvm
[19:29] <Quintasan> bdmurray is looking at it since I messed up the Closes syntax
[20:48] <yossarianuk> hi - can someone confirm that this bug  -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 is now fixed?
[20:48] <yossarianuk> i.e - if install and enable updates during installation it will now boot UEFO ?
[20:48] <yossarianuk> *UEFI*
[21:01] <ScottK> For Kubuntu it should be fixed.  Not yet, AFAIK for Ubutu Studio.
[21:15] <genii-o-lantern> The topic got changed... does someone have the polo shirt link offhand?
[21:17] <ScottK> jussi: ^^^
[21:18] <jussi> genii should be still in the off topic topic
[21:19] <genii-o-lantern> Ah, OK
[21:19] <genii-o-lantern> Yes, it is :)
[21:20] <jussi> on mobile so copying and so on is hard
[21:35] <yossarianuk> hi - does anyone know how long it takes for the local mirrors to catch up with updates ?
[21:44] <genii-o-lantern> jussi: Done.
[23:10] <yofel> kubotu: topic restore
[23:10] <kubotu> yofel, you don't have 'topic' permissions here
[23:10] <yofel> apachelogger: ^


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