[01:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Iamahuman4: Do you have a general support question? General non-support chat is in #ubuntustudio-offtopic, and would be more appropriate for stuff you're doing.
[02:19] <Kraus> Found something very weird happening now that I'm on the newest version of Studio Controls.
[02:23] <kraus[m]> Trying to think of where to begin.
[02:24] <Kraus[m]> Several things seem to be going wrong.
[02:25]  * Kraus[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ShCQSvnUJnlQZDuCviuqGDdZ/message.txt >
[02:26] <Kraus[m]> The script runs, but has no effect. Also when I type the command into CLI manually, lines 8 and 9 show there is an "assertion failure."
[02:28]  * Kraus[m] uploaded an image: (43KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AiYDOWyIGdmLQsOxnhcCgMlb/image.png >
[02:28] <Kraus[m]> My patchbay loads entirely screwed up now.
[02:31] <Kraus[m]> I also noticed now that if I hit the "Start or Restart  JACK" button on Studio controls when Jack is already running, it won't restart it. It will stop the server completely.
[02:31] <Kraus[m]> I then have to click the button again to get it to restart.
[02:33] <Kraus[m]> After starting the server back up, I notice Carla's patchbay connections, while screwed up visually, are at least reconnected the way they should be.
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[02:35] <Kraus[m]> On the older version, this is what my Devices looked like in Controls:
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[02:36] <Kraus[m]> But in the new version they seem to be... reversed?
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[02:36] <Kraus[m]> Plus it says "unplugged." That doesn't settle well with me? Why does it say it's unplugged? What's unplugged, exactly?
[02:38] <Kraus[m]> Also I'm not quite sure what Auto connection port is. It's set to "0"
[02:40] <Kraus[m]>  * But in the new version they seem to be... reversed? Not sure. Instead of saying "USB Jack Master" it has something that's unplugged. What's unpluggedd, exactly, and why?
[02:43] <Kraus[m]> I need to step out for a bit but I should be back in about an hour'ish
[03:52] <Kraus[m]> Wow... I logged out, then back in, and here's what my patchbay looks like
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[03:52] <Kraus[m]> Something's definitely not right.
[03:54] <Kraus[m]> Jack is indeed running, too.
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[03:56] <Kraus[m]> In controls, I stop jack, start jack, and it goes back to this.
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[03:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Kraus: Considering this chat thread of yours has been going on over an hour and a half, this is best put into an email.
[03:58] <Kraus[m]> I was gone for a long time.
[03:58] <Kraus[m]> Had to go to dinner. The posts only took a matter of 10 minutes.
[03:58] <Kraus[m]> But anyways, thoughts on the problem?
[03:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> It doesn't matter, it looks like monologuing. I have no answers.
[03:59] <Kraus[m]> Okay, can you guide me on how to revert back to 20.10 version of Studio, please?
[03:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks is the developer of studio-controls.
[03:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> The only way to revert is clean install.
[03:59] <Kraus[m]> This all started after enabling backport
[03:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, nvm.
[04:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can always use ppa-purge, but I'd rather get the issue fixed rather than give up on it.
[04:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks is out, but he does need to know about issues.
[04:00] <Kraus[m]> yeah, I would not like to think after completely reinstalling Linux a few days ago I would need to all over again because of this
[04:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd consult with OvenWerks before doing anything. But constantly posting without an answer and expecting an answer is only channel monologuing.
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[04:04] <Kraus[m]> I'm sorry, I disagree with the monologing thing. I've been showing screenshots in an attempt to demonstrate the bug in the software. I installed this to try and help out with the design, but I wasn't expecting my entire system to break.
[04:06] <Kraus[m]> If you'd like me to compose an email, perhaps you could tell me which email address is in association with bug reports. And/or if there is a github issue thread, perhaps point me in the direction of that, but please don't insult me by saying I'm "monologing" just for trying to help.
[04:07] <Kraus[m]> How do you do a "ppa purge"?
[04:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ppa-purge | Kraus
[04:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Kraus: As for bug reports against studio-controls, see https://github.com/OvenWerks/studio-controls/issues
[04:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Kraus: I probably saw it as monologuing because this is the support channel. If you had posted in the development channel, I'd have been more tolerant.
[04:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Especially since you've been helping out there a lot.
[04:34] <Kraus[m]> Well, I figured it didn't squarely deal with development since it was a series of bugs(?) that resulted from an issue from a committed release. I can bring the conversation there if you like, but I thought that channel was more for discussing yet-to-be-released things.
[04:35] <sipher> Hi, I look in Ubuntu Studio has a new app: Studio Controls. In similar apps like QjackCtl or Cadence one can see an latency average in 'ms' when setting jack. If i decided use Studio Controls, how can see the latency average?
[04:35] <Kraus[m]> And since I really don't know where things went wrong, I don't know what specific item to bring up first. All I know is the overall effects of the issue(s)
[04:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Kraus: Understood, but we have IRC guidelines against this.
[04:35] <Kraus[m]> Where? <_<
[04:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> !guidelines
[04:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Specifically, "Don't flood the channel with messages."
[04:37] <Kraus[m]> Might want to put a link to the guidelines in the channel description. I had no idea.
[04:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> !topic
[04:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> oops, it's in /topic on IRC.
[04:38] <Kraus[m]> Anyways, I'm making a new issue in Github, but I have a feeling it'll be rejected since there's multiple issues rolled into one. Bringing them here was my best bet.
[04:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> You'd be surprised. OvenWerks isn't one to outright reject issues.
[04:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> sipher: To answer your question, at this time there's no way to do that. However, there are ways to calculate latency pretty easily: https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/list_of_jack_frame_period_settings_ideal_for_usb_interface
[04:42] <sipher> Eickmeyer[m] when you say: 'at this time there's no way to do that'. Are you talking about of Studio Controls?
[04:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> sipher: Yes.
[04:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> sipher: The chart I just linked for you shows every single combination and latency calculation.
[04:44] <sipher> Eickmeyer[m] thanks for the info, now i need read it. Peace
[04:56] <sipher> Wow wow that wiki is on fire! I was setting in the wrong way my USB interface. Thank you very much Eickmeyer[m] for the hint and by the way thank you for your work with Ubuntu Studio and the free audio community (and sorry for say this: please don't forget update Ardour backport ppa)
[04:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> sipher: Are you on 20.10?
[04:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Ardour backport PPA is only for 20.04 so that people who have projects on Ardour 5.12 can continue using it.
[04:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Since 20.10 and above have Ardour 6, they can update using the standard backports PPA.
[04:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-backports
[04:59] <sipher> I'm in 20.04  coz I prefer LTS model
[05:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, ok. Well, the Ardour backports has the latest version (6.5). 6.6 hasn't been released yet for Debian, and I probably won't be able to backport until after 21.04's release.
[05:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> But that depends on if 6.6 has any new features or not.
[05:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Or if I can get a Feature Freeze Exception.
[05:04] <sipher> I see, well I work with VST3 (Linux native, no wine) and I read in the Ardour's changelog (6.6) that it has new vst3 improvements.
[05:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, well, unfortunately, that would be a new feature and won't work with the Feature Freeze policy in Ubuntu, so it'll probably have to wait to be backported until after 21.04 is released.
[05:09] <sipher> don't worry Eickmeyer[m], again thanks for all
[05:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> :)
[05:53] <Kraus> Alright, I think I managed to get it all out there in the issue: https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls/issues/51
[10:40]  * Iamahuman4 acks the --less_verbose request of eickmaister
[14:37] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: yes there are multiple issues :)
[14:43] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: Please be aware that almost no DE currently does a proper logout. In most cases the logout is not completed and a second login will show both a script started at login on the first login as well as the same script started on the second login. Hence your two scripts running after logout/login. This is a DE problem with all major DEs. The only way to restart a session is to reboot
[14:45] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: also note that when you added the backports PPA it was not only studio-controls that updated but Carla as well. So it is not a surprise that Carla has changed what it calls it's ports.
[14:48] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: however, in this case, I suspect you have Carla.01 because there is already a Carla running in a prior login (perhaps a jack too) that has already taken the name Carla and so Carla (or jack) has added .01 on to the name to make it unique.
[14:51] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: please be more descriptive than "mangled" Looking at the screenshots in the issue I do not see something that is obviously "mangled".
[14:52] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: it is better to say I expected <insert what was expected> but instead I found <insert what was unexpectedly found>
[14:56] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: so my guess is that you wanted to see Carla show it's patch bay in the same way as you rearanged it. This is (so far as I know) a known issue. Also be aware that Carla in ubuntu is not the same as Carla in upstream
[15:07] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: because of a known bug in jackd, Carla will cause Jackd to hang requiring a reboot under some conditions. So thge ubuntu version of Carla removes two or three lines of code that access that part of jack. This may make lining things up not work as it should.
[15:17] <John122> Hi all. OvenWerk1 are you around? Or maybe someone else can help? Just moved my Rubix 24 4-output usb audio interface from a Raspberry PI to a Mini PC running Ubuntu 20.04 and it's coming up as 4.0 surround and I can't see a way to change it. I thought it was in pavucontrol but can't see it? When I try to set up bridges in Studio Controls, it's always trying to use pairs (1&2 etc), and I need 1, 2, 3 and 4. Thank
[15:17] <John122> s
[15:22] <OvenWerk1> John122: pulse always sees any audio interface as surround. To put it another way, Pulse thinks of all audio as a stream with a certain amount of channels. So each device is a stream.
[15:22] <OvenWerk1> John122: jackd on the other hand, sees each channel separately
[15:22] <John122> OvenWerk1: hi!
[15:23] <John122> OvenWerk1: but when I try to bridge in Studio Controls I'm getting the option of 1&2, 2&3 - on the RPi I had 1, 2, 3 and 4 ?
[15:23] <OvenWerk1> What version of studio controls are you using?
[15:24] <OvenWerk1> Have you set the channel count on pulse bridges to 1?
[15:26] <OvenWerk1> remember studio controls is in active development and there are still major changes from 2.0.* to 2.1.*
[15:28] <OvenWerk1> John122: if you are running jack via studio controls, pulse will only ever see any device via pulse-jack bridging, so the channel count of these bridges is important. however, if jack is not running, pulse will do what it wants to do, is designed to do, which is to treat all devices as audio streams
[15:31] <John122> sorry. It's the version that came with Ubuntu I think, although I thought I'd updated it. I can't actually see where the version number is?
[15:31] <John122> OvenWerk1: can't see a channel count there
[15:31] <OvenWerk1> If the version number is not shown in the GUI, it is older
[15:32] <John122> OvenWerk1: sorry, got to go, rushing out to see a house and wife is shouting at me :) bbl and will update
[15:32] <OvenWerk1> as of 2.1 studio controls shows the version number
[15:32] <John122> thanks
[16:19] <OvenWerk1> Kraus: I have commented on the issue, I will change the code in studio controls 2.2 to make sure all bridges are in place before the poststart script is run.
[17:32] <John122> OvenWerk1: just got back in 5 mins ago, uninstalled ubuntu studio-controls, grabbed the newest from github, and setup in no time. And the script you wrote for me (changed slightly to add the first RPi which was the master so it is a slave now etc), seems great ! thanks
[18:07] <John122> OvenWerk1: yep, just tested all 4 channels. couple of typos on my part but now all 4 working perfectly to the new mini pc. Also added the ability to record the media streams from all 4 RPis to the mini pc too (in fact, I'm actually duplicating the audio at the moment and it may be that I end up not using the zita bridge and just taking the audio from that stream but this is easier so unless it proves a problem CP
[18:07] <John122> U/bandwidth wise I'll leave it as it is). Just some tweaks UI wise now and I'm good to go!
[18:07] <John122> thanks again so much for your help. IRC can be both terrible, in the wrong places, and wonderful in the right places. reminds me of how the internet used to be before the masses ;) had so much support for the different areas of this project from different channels!
[21:57] <Kraus> OvenWerk1: Hi, Oven, thanks. I'm curious, what's a DE?
[22:07] <Kraus> What's the way I can uninstall everything Studio Installer installed? Is there an uninstaller? I need to revert everything back to the pre-backport state.
[22:16] <corrinado[m]> Kraus: a Desktop Environment. (think Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc.)
[22:17] <Kraus> Ahhh~
[22:17]  * Kraus goes back and re-reads in order to get the context now.
[22:18] <Kraus> Yeah.. yeah, still confused.. it's okay though. I just need to undo all these changes. I don't even need the backport system to work on the panel design.
[22:32] <Kraus> Maybe just like.. a list of all packages?
[22:32] <Kraus> I don't know, I'm lost.
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Is it true that you're doing this on Linux Mint???
[23:05] <Kraus> Eickmeyer: Yeah? I had to go to something XFCE compatible.
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: We don't support Linux Mint here at all. Ubuntu Studio Installer isn't supported in Linux Mint.
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> !mint
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: You're on your own.
[23:06] <Kraus> Well for crying out loud, I don't know what else to do. The KDE installer wouldn't properly get my drives going.
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: I'm sorry, but we have to draw the line at offical Ubuntu flavors. Mint does not count.
[23:07] <Kraus> I was told to use the Installer, and that's what I did. What do you have against Linux Mint?
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome to help OvenWerk1 with development of studio-controls, but we cannot help you with your issues here.
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: It's not an official flavor of Ubuntu.
[23:07] <genii> !mint
[23:08] <Kraus> My god, all these hidden asterisks.
[23:08] <Kraus> So will you guys help me get KDE going?
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: You might check with #kubuntu on that. You haven't told anybody what problems you've had.
[23:09] <Kraus> Actually I did bring it up last week, but I wasn't getting any response from people.
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> However, we only handle Ubuntu Studio-specific items here, not enough people to help with Plasma.
[23:09] <Kraus> The issue I was having was that it wouldn't let me get an LVM going.
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> The folks in #kubuntu can help you with the desktop environment.
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Then #ubuntu or if it's the installer, #lubuntu since they maintian Calamares, the installer.
[23:09] <Kraus> Okay, what exactly does Ubuntu Studio support? I'm really confused about the purview of this channel.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> We support the multimedia setup, primarily the Jack audio stack.
[23:10] <Kraus> And that's what I need help with. Can you please tell me which packages I need to uninstall that were downloaded through backport?
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> But, all flavors of Ubuntu work together to provide support. We just can't handle everything here. We will redirect you to people with better expertise than us.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: I told you to use ppa-purge.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> !ppa-purge
[23:11] <Kraus> If I run into any Mint-specific problems implimenting it, then I'll approach the Mint people. But I see no reason why I can't be given support for Installer when this channel is where to go for support.
[23:11] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: BUT, if you're using Mint, we don't support anything. Period. Do NOT argue with us on this.
[23:11] <Kraus> OKay, so, the Enable Backport PPA enables a PPA?
[23:12] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Yes, but you have to use the terminal to remove all of the packages (and downgrade them) with ppa-purge.
[23:12] <Kraus> That's fine. I just need to know what packages were installed.
[23:12] <Eickmeyer> ppa-purge does ALL OF THEM.
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> You don't need to know exactly which ones if you want to remove the PPA.
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> But, again, if this is Mint, you need to be asking Mint for support.
[23:13] <Kraus> I'm new at this. Very sorry.
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> Mint has a separate IRC server, they're not on Freenode.
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> !mint
[23:14] <Kraus> Alright, so, we're going to go through a time warp, and I now have a computer with an official Ubuntu installation.
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: I've seen the stuff you can do with GTK, so I'm not entirely convinced you're new.
[23:14] <Kraus> That was literally my first day using Glade.
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> Ok, then you learn quickly.
[23:15] <Kraus> Graphic Designer, like I said.
[23:15] <Kraus> Anyways.
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> Either way, I can't help you beyond what I've told you. I am also working a day job at the moment.
[23:15] <Kraus> I really didn't ask you to reply.
[23:15] <Kraus> If you got stuff to you by all means go to it.
[23:16] <Kraus> *do
[23:16] <Kraus> If you got stuff to do, by all means go to it. I can get my support from others.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Knowing what I know (that you're using Mint), I had to do my duty as a channel operator. You seem to have difficulty adhering to channel topic and following IRC guidelines. Everything was in the topic line when you first joined this channel.
[23:16] <Kraus> tbh I would much rather speak to Ovenworks about this.
[23:17] <Kraus> I was told that I could use Installer with any distro. No one warned me that Mint was taboo.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Understandable, but as the Ubuntu Studio Project Leader and IRC operator of this channel, it is my duty to correct you (and others) and make sure the IRC guidelines and topic are being adhered to.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Did you read the official documentation? That would have told you official Ubuntu flavors only.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[23:19] <Kraus> When I installed the backport software I was already on Mint, so you shouldn't have told me to do that if I was on Mint.
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> Did you tell anybody you were on Mint?
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> Also, EVERYTHING here is "Use at your own risk."
[23:28] <Kraus> smh
[23:34] <Kraus> Yes, I did mention I'm on Mint.
[23:34] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: You are responsible for looking for documentation yourself. You can't expect anybody to tell you every little bit. We can't hold hands here when helping people, it's beyond the scope.
[23:34] <Eickmeyer> People are expected to have done their own research before asking for help on any IRC channel.
[23:35] <Kraus> In addition, I should also point out that after I mentioned I was on Mint, I was told this: [1:27:17 pm] <OvenWerks> Kraus: I think the idea was floated at one point. but with only two of us and each of us being part of other projects as well, there is just not the manpower. That is where ubuntustudio-installer came from. Install whichever ubuntu flavour you wish and put studio on top of it.
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: "Ubuntu Flavor" is the key there. Mint is not an Ubuntu Flavor.
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> It is a derivitive, not a flavor.
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> !flavor
[23:36] <Kraus> It is, just not an "official" one according to you? You're the first person to suggest it's not.
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Look at the link. Stop arguing with me on this.
[23:36] <Kraus> I'm just telling you, I am NEW at this.
[23:37] <Kraus> Mint? I heard "it's a fork of Ubuntu". That's all I knew.
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> It's not a fork, it is derived from Ubuntu's LTS versions. But, it is not official nor endorsed by Ubuntu.
[23:37] <Kraus> I knew it's popular, it's clean, it's simple, it doesn't force Snapcraft, and it uses XFCE. I said oooh, cool, sounds like the one for me.
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, I'm not going to belabor this further.
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> You used one of our tools in an unsupported way, period. If you wish to have support here, you cannot use Mint. End of discussion.
[23:38] <Kraus> That's FINE. I'm NOT ARGUING that.
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> And you don't need to be arguing anyhow. Whether or not you're new is irrellevant.
[23:39] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, this entire conversation is getting off-topic.
[23:39] <Kraus> I don't even know why you had me do the backport thing in the first place. It wasn't even necessary for working on the design.
[23:39] <Eickmeyer> Because you didn't have the latest version of studio-controls, and you weren't up-to-date on it because of that.
[23:40] <Kraus> I don't need to have the latest version of studio-controls to work on the design.
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> You do if what you have is out-of-date design-wise.
[23:40] <Kraus> All I was doing was sprucing up the design. I don't need to actively be using it to work on it.
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> This discussion is going nowhere.
[23:41] <Kraus> *shrugs*
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: Please drop this conversation. Final warning.
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> What I say goes in this channel. It is up to you to do your own research, read the documentation, and only come here when you've exhausted all resources.
[23:43] <Kraus> Please drop this conversation.
[23:43] <Kraus> Not fair for you to continue on with it if you're not letting me respond.
[23:44] <Kraus> Not going to sit here and let you chastise me without a chance for defending myself.


[00:00] <nucc1> or could i just jabber on?
[00:01] <Azelphur> nucc1: mostly we just do sort of offtopic (as long as it's something the majority of the channel would be interested in) here anyway
[00:01] <nucc1> Azelphur, just wondering, has Lovefilm always been an Amazon company?
[00:01] <Azelphur> no idea
[00:01] <nucc1> or is the UK just not big on trumpeting acquisitions?
[00:02] <nucc1> it seems amazon's video service has arrived early afterall
[00:03] <popey> no
[00:03] <popey> it was bought by amazon
[00:03] <popey> it used to be separate
[00:03] <nucc1> yea, i only just noticed the amazon logo on it
[00:03] <nucc1> wondering how it didn't make the news
[00:03] <popey> it did
[00:03] <popey> it was ages ago
[00:03] <nucc1> hmmm. i read too many US websites then
[00:04] <popey> its confusing because lovefilm bought amazon's dvd rental division
[00:05] <popey> then amazon invested back in lovefilmi
[00:05] <popey> then they bough them
[00:05] <popey> *bought
[00:06] <nucc1> he e
[00:07] <nucc1> anyway, amazon gives me a fuzzy feeling
[00:07] <nucc1> so its cool :)
[00:07] <popey> heh
[00:07] <nucc1> amazon and google
[00:09] <ali1234> does anyone happen to have a nice svg of a tv remote ready for web use?
[00:10] <ali1234> something like this except for a tv: http://www.openclipart.org/people/Startright/DVD_Remote_2.svg
[00:10] <ali1234> and better looking
[00:26] <ali1234> hmm do css classes support multiple inheritance?
[00:28] <ali1234> yes, they do
[01:02] <nucc1> ali1234, what do you mean?
[01:02] <ali1234> <div class="foo bar">
[01:02] <nucc1> that's not multiple inheritance
[01:02] <ali1234> where foo and bar are completely unrelated css classes, and the div inherits from both of them
[01:02] <nucc1> that's the source of the name "cascade"
[01:02] <nucc1> one is applied, then the other is applied,
[01:02] <nucc1> over writing the previous if there is conflict
[01:03] <ali1234> yeah
[01:03] <nucc1> so, what then is the question?
[01:03] <ali1234> is that possible?
[01:03] <nucc1> yes.
[01:03] <ali1234> (i already know it is)
[01:03] <nucc1> lol
[01:04] <nucc1> you want to know how it is implemented at the rendering level or something?
[01:04] <ali1234> no
[01:04] <ali1234> i just wanted to know if it was possible
[01:04] <ali1234> and then i found out
[01:04] <ali1234> and now i know
[01:04] <nucc1> and you said you already knew it was possible
[01:04] <nucc1> ah, ok.
[01:04] <nucc1> good.
[01:04] <ali1234> i didn't know when i asked
[01:04] <nucc1> your question didn't say "does css support multiple inheritance?"
[01:04] <nucc1> it said "how does".
[01:04] <nucc1> makes a bit of a difference.
[01:05] <ali1234> no, it said "hmm do"
[01:05] <nucc1> ali1234, lol. i need to go to sleep.
[01:05] <ali1234> not "how do"
[01:05] <ali1234> anyway
[01:05] <nucc1> darn.
[01:05] <ali1234> ...
[01:05] <nucc1> i'm seeing things
[01:06] <nucc1> time to play the sims 3 to sleep.
[01:07] <nucc1> so long, and thanks for all the fish, fellas!
[01:19] <Azelphur> if I've cloned something from a git repo, how do I update to the latest version?
[01:24] <hamitron> git pull?
[01:26] <Azelphur> hamitron: ty :P
[06:27] <HazRPG> grr... its way too early to be waking up o.O
[06:40] <HazRPG> morning all \o
[06:43] <Myrtti> myyh
[06:48] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:00] <AlanBell> o/
[07:10] <diplo> Morning all
[07:11] <daubers> Morning
[07:11] <HazRPG> MooDoo, AlanBell, diplo: hey \o :)
[07:40] <daubers> !ping
[07:41] <daubers> Awh, poor lubotu3, we love you really
[07:50] <popey> Morning all!
[07:53] <knightwise> hey guyz
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:19] <diplo> Anyone give me any ideas why cups would be using 50-60% CPU on  a system ?
[08:19] <czajkowski> weeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:19] <diplo> things to look for
[08:19] <diplo> never worked with cups
[08:19] <JamesTai1> Happy Friday, everyone! :D
[08:19] <popey> probably trying to talk to an offline printer
[08:19] <popey> yes, very much so JamesTai1
[08:20] <diplo> Easy way of listing ?
[08:20] <diplo> Was guess lpstat but not listing anything
[08:20] <popey> any logs in /var/log growing alarmingly?
[08:21] <diplo> loads of http 200 ones in cups dir access logs
[08:22] <diplo> hmm seems normal looking at older ones
[08:25] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:25] <czajkowski> Happy RWC kick off :D
[08:26] <MooDoo> yay
[08:26] <czajkowski> MooDoo: no movement still
[08:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: no nothing, think it's going to have to be induced monday
[08:26] <czajkowski> :(
[08:27] <MooDoo> czajkowski: hugs, thanks for asking x
[08:49]  * daubers offers around the crunchies
[08:49] <czajkowski> shhh
[08:49] <czajkowski> no talking
[08:49] <czajkowski> tonga are up
[08:55] <bigcalm> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEOeTX1LqM
[09:07]  * popey kicks czajkowski to #rwcloners
[09:07] <bigcalm> LOL
[09:08] <MooDoo> popey: oi no passing forward
[09:11]  * Gary tickles elvis
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> Gary: ♫ Calling Elvis?
[09:12] <Gary> well, I meant popey
[09:12] <Gary> but typo'd
[09:13] <bigcalm> All the keys are right net to each other
[09:13] <Myrtti> I wish all twitter clients had filters
[09:13] <bigcalm> Easy mistake
[09:13] <bigcalm> Myrtti: not a rugger fan?
[09:14] <Myrtti> bigcalm: as a Finn it's one of the sports that I've never had any touch with
[09:14] <Myrtti> that and cricket
[09:14] <Myrtti> but there are a lot of other tags and things that I'd like to filter
[09:15] <Myrtti> I wish I remembered the name of this one Twitter client I saw mentioned few weeks back
[09:20] <daubers> Woot! Easyradio transcievers have arrives
[09:20] <daubers> s/arrives/arrived
[09:20]  * daubers does like how quick CPC are
[09:23] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's understandable. But why do I love winter sports so much when we never get enough snow to practice them here?
[09:24] <christel> cricket is the meaning of life!
[09:24] <christel> (and you can do ice cricket in estonia)
[09:24] <christel> \o/
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:25] <MooDoo> morning
[09:25] <czajkowski> christel: watching ITv1?
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:25] <MooDoo> and christel you're nuts, cricket is boring :p
[09:25] <christel> of course!
[09:26] <daubers> \o/ cricket
[09:26] <christel> MooDoo: is not.
[09:26] <Mez> cricket ftw.
[09:27]  * Mez has seen every test match @ Edgbaston in the last 3 years
[09:27] <christel> <3 Mez
[09:27] <Mez> Except for the ones where I've had to go to hospital.
[09:28] <Mez> Benefits and downfalls of being a volunteer on the Ambulances.
[09:28] <christel> do you frequently have to go to hospital when there's a test match?
[09:28] <christel> oh i see!
[09:28] <Mez> Though, soon I'll be the one sitting in the room with the view (and all the cameras) rather than on the mabulace!)
[09:32] <christel> :)
[09:41] <dutchie> AlanBell: woo keble :)
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> dutchie - nice college :-)
[09:42] <dutchie> TheOpenSourcerer: thanks :) sample the bar at all?
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> bar?
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Didn't see the bar.
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had a very nice dinner in the hall though.
[09:43] <dutchie> cool
[09:43] <dutchie> the bar is the "flying saucer" in the middle
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice internet access too
[09:43] <dutchie> yep :D
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> erm - which quad?
[09:43] <hoover> good morning all
[09:50] <oimon> my chewbacca pen is out of ink :(
[09:50] <brobostigon> :(
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> Well 34 years IS a long time for a pen
[09:51] <oimon> what to take to the important meeting :(
[09:51] <oimon> maybe stick my sponge tux on a pen
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I have some chewy pens... or ones I've chewed on
[09:52] <kirrus> oimon: you have a sponge tux? Where from? Is it child-safe?
[09:58] <gord> i really don't understand what all these shuffle options mean in banshee
[09:58] <gord> shuffle by rating?
[09:59] <davmor2> morning all
[10:00] <czajkowski> it's banshee it's horrible.
[10:00] <diplo> gord: You can get ratings on which songs you have listened to the most etc
[10:00] <diplo> so can get it shuffle by that i guess
[10:01] <gord> diplo, what does that actually mean?
[10:01] <gord> i know you can get ratings
[10:01] <gord> but what does "shuffle by ratings" do?
[10:01] <gord> shuffle by score?
[10:01] <diplo> plays tracks based on say how much/often you have played a track
[10:02] <diplo> I always shuffle by artist though so can't say ive put it to good use
[10:02] <diplo> I don't want to listen to stuff i've listen to lots
[10:02] <gord> what does shuffle by artist mean?!
[10:02] <diplo> Like a varied taste :)
[10:02] <gord> what was wrong with just "shuffle"
[10:02] <davmor2> diplo: but then you can set ratings too so does it include them or not?
[10:03] <diplo> gord: I would prefer just shuffle tbh, I did go looking for it
[10:03] <daubers> gord: You need to find a banshee dev named Basil, then you can go to him and say "But what does it all mean Basil?"
[10:03] <diplo> But banshee hasgot buggy of late i've had to stop using it
[10:03] <diplo> keeps crashing for me
[10:03] <davmor2> gord: we should start up a bring back rhythmbox group
[10:03] <diplo> I'm actually using rythmbox againa tm
[10:03] <diplo> again atm*
[10:03] <diplo> Was debating giving clementine a go
[10:03]  * daubers just uses spotify
[10:04] <diplo> My line is so shite here i am scared to
[10:04] <gord> davmor2, i did got back to rb :) but now we have the music scope in unity powered by banshee so i have gone to banshee again
[10:04] <diplo>  :(
[10:04] <gord> if banshee can just stop playing tricks on me, i'll be fine
[10:06] <davmor2> gord: that could be ported across with a little effort I'm sure :)
[10:06] <davmor2> banshee is just wrong and yet there are loads that love it
[10:07] <davmor2> banshee still gives me 2 copies of any cd I rip
[10:07] <gord> davmor2, if you want to write one :)
[10:07] <davmor2> banshee still sucks internet radio play back to the point that I got a digital radio
[10:10] <davmor2> prods czajkowski oi stop with the flooding twitter you ;)  any one would think you liked rugby or something
[10:10] <gord> banshee doesn't seem to want to play my mega-drive music even though it uses gstreamer though, hrm
[10:11] <gord> i mean. i am not a nerd who listens to video game music from the 90's all day
[10:11] <davmor2> gord: yes you are
[10:13] <gord> shouldn't of put this packet of custard creams on my desk.
[10:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: shrup ya pup
[10:15] <davmor2> gord: what packet of custard creams
[10:15] <czajkowski> busy watching tv stop making here light up
[10:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: okay
[10:20] <bigcalm> czajkowski: game is over, you can resume beating people up in here :)
[10:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: Any news yet?
[10:22] <MooDoo> davmor2: no, don't think anything will happen till monday now
[10:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: :(
[10:22] <czajkowski> ok game over I can come back now
[10:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: we don't want to talk to you now though whens the next game start so we know when to annoy you again?
[10:23] <czajkowski> tomorrow morning
[10:23] <czajkowski> ireland games are all weekend games ;)
[10:24] <davmor2> meh might have to talk to czajkowski before then, then :(
[10:25] <czajkowski>  /ignore davmor2 peace and quiet
[10:26] <daubers> czajkowski: How're you going to cope when you have to work while the RWC is on?
[10:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: tickles czajkowski till she stops ignoring him :P
[10:27] <czajkowski> daubers: all ireland games are on at the weekend :)
[10:28] <bigcalm> Eclipse is weird when it comes to highlighting errors in code: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/eclipse_error_in_code.png
[10:28] <davmor2> hey gord whats the name for the indicator that was session and now does settings?
[10:28] <gord> davmor2, still session
[10:29] <davmor2> gord:  ta
[10:43] <popey> Azelphur: bravo down?
[10:47] <daubers> someone make it lunch time
[10:47]  * daubers is hungry
[10:53] <czajkowski> eaten too much popcorn
[10:53] <czajkowski> :/
[10:53] <christel> aw
[10:54] <czajkowski> mixture of sweet and salt
[10:54] <czajkowski> add some ginger beer
[10:54] <czajkowski> nyommy
[11:04] <kirrus> daubers: it's lunch time
[11:14] <daubers> kirrus: \o/
[12:32] <andrewebdev> who provides the music for ubuntu one music store again? Is it 7digital?
[12:33] <popey> yes
[12:34] <andrewebdev> interesting, thx popey
[12:36] <andrewebdev> so in theory I can purchase a song on ubuntu one music store, and should be able to download that track on my tablet from the 7digital app directly
[12:38] <popey> no
[12:38] <bigcalm> I would have thought that U1 is a reseller
[12:38] <popey> correct
[12:39] <bigcalm> You wouldn't expect to be able to use a Demon ADSL account on BT's ADSL
[12:42] <davmor2> andrewebdev: what tablet is it?
[12:44] <popey> there is a U1MS app for tablets isnt there?
[12:48] <davmor2> popey: that's why I was asking as long as it isn't the hp tablet you should be able to install the music app
[12:49] <oimon> i just realised that the hp touchpad adverts were done by that hideous bearded lady russell brand. ugh
[13:14] <oimon> kirrus: just saw your message. yes, it is a squishy stress toy tux
[13:14] <oimon> also have various tux soft toys etc
[13:15] <oimon> from the good old days of when there were linuxcon and companies made marketing toys
[13:23] <czajkowski> http://youtu.be/bMltvlqEM54  :D
[13:23] <oimon> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/8752199/Transcript-of-first-robot-to-robot-conversation.html << this reminds me of my phone calls to virgin media
[13:55] <davmor2> oimon: it is
[14:10] <oimon> davmor2: i thought you said you were a robot
[14:10] <davmor2> oimon: no you said you were
[14:10] <oimon> your mum's a robot
[14:11] <davmor2> oimon: hey laser lips your momma was a snow blower
[14:11] <Hippychick> robots! eeeep
[14:12] <oimon> i am a unicorn
[14:14] <davmor2> so czajkowski how much are Ireland gonna lose by this time?
[14:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: watch what you say, last time it cost me a beer.
[14:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: I wasn't gonna bring that up as you still owe it ;)  but England Beat Ireland the other week the only thing you can think is that one team was fluky last time
[14:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes your right and as soon as i get czajkowski in a pub, i'll purchase her said pint.
[15:08] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/#!/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/112178188913868800 # bwuhahahaha
[15:09] <tonytiger> :D
[15:19] <AlanBell> tonytiger: hello!
[15:21] <oimon> guys, seen this? touchpad in pc world http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hewletpack-touchpad-32gb-tablet-pc-touchpad-case-wireless-charging-dock-11342081-pdt.html
[15:28] <tonytiger> AlanBell: hi...
[15:29] <Azelphur> popey: back again, seems my automagical 5am update didn't quite work
[15:29] <Azelphur> although no reason as to why \o/
[15:29] <Azelphur> It's up now
[15:54] <bigcalm> Gotta love how copy/pasting over synergy crashes firefox
[15:55] <BigRedS> Downloading an ISO from Ubuntu.com, what changes when I choose 'Windows', 'Mac' or 'Linux'?
[15:55] <BigRedS> Oh, wait
[15:55] <BigRedS> I'm reading how to burn
[15:56] <bigcalm> :D
[15:57] <BigRedS> I sat there confused for an embarrasingly long time, wondering what on earth would change
[16:01] <oimon> burn looks like bum in some fonts
[16:05] <BigRedS> hurr
[16:14] <suprengr> anyone know wtf the  get-iplayer "download rate"  [e.g. 148010.515 kB / 1510.64 sec] translates to?
[16:15] <davmor2> suprengr: it means it downloaded that much in that many seconds iirc
[16:15] <bigcalm> 8 bits in a byte, divide it by 8 and then 1024 to get MB
[16:16] <bigcalm> Ignore that
[16:16] <bigcalm> Just divide by 1024 to get MB
[16:16] <suprengr> cheers... davmor2 & bigcalm ;)
[16:18] <gord> no minecraft to play with on the weekend then? oh wells
[16:19] <gord> oh wrong channel
[16:19] <gord> ahh screw it its basically the same channel
[16:19] <BigRedS> haha
[16:19]  * AlanBell wonders how bigcalm is getting on with the minecraft extensions to ubuntu-uk.org
[16:20] <bigcalm> AlanBell: been too busy to write anything more than notes of things to include. I will be adding content this weekend
[16:20] <bigcalm> Possibly including screenshots
[16:21] <bigcalm> AlanBell: if you have any ideas of what to include on the page, add a note to it :)
[16:21] <AlanBell> iframe of the map
[16:21] <bigcalm> Dunno, there's 2 servers atm and will increase to 3 later
[16:23]  * suprengr suggests adding a Ubuntu-UK section to Ubuntu Software Centre...
[16:24] <suprengr> anyone able to guess what it could include? ;)
[18:16] <AlanBell> not to mention here of course
[18:27] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14858056  lovely my new employer....
[18:33] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/alanbell_libsol/status/112232214611238912
[18:38] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oi oi howdy doody
[18:42] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[18:43] <davmor2> AlanBell: are you trying to prove you are Omnipresent or something?
[18:47] <AlanBell> I don't think I need to prove that
[18:50] <davmor2> AlanBell: Well if you start getting illusions of omnipotence on top of it I think we need to pull you down a peg or two at that point :)
[18:51] <AlanBell> people send me spam all the time about cures for omnipotence
[18:51]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2
[18:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: a little to the left that's my desk leg you're kicking
[18:52] <davmor2> AlanBell: haha
[19:10] <kvarley> Is there a way to retrive my password. I have Ubuntu on my netbook set to automatic login but I can't remember my password :/
[19:11] <Azelphur> kvarley: I believe Ubuntu only stores the password encrypted, so short of having a supercomputer (I have one in my spare bedroom if your that desperate :D) you can't
[19:11] <Azelphur> kvarley: you can reset your password, though.
[19:11] <exobuzz> good evening from http://www.sunrisedemoparty.co.uk/
[19:13] <kvarley> Azelphur: How can I reset it?
[19:13] <Azelphur> kvarley: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[19:13] <kvarley> thanks
[19:14] <Azelphur> yw :)
[19:14] <AlanBell> exobuzz: awesome
[19:20] <Myrtti> say hello to dotwaffle if you see him
[19:20] <Myrtti> well you should really
[19:26] <kvarley> Azelphur: It throwns Authentication token manipulation error
[19:27] <Azelphur> what does?
[19:28] <popey> Evening all!
[19:28] <popey> 45
[19:28] <popey> bah!
[19:28] <Azelphur> popey: my automagical update script failed on bravo for some reason, sorted now :)
[19:28] <kvarley> Azelphur: The passwd reset attempt
[19:28] <popey> yay
[19:29] <Azelphur> kvarley: so you type passwd user and it says Authentication token manipulation error?
[19:32] <kvarley> Azelphur: Yeah, fixed, it was the wrong root session
[19:32] <Azelphur> :D
[20:02] <Azelphur> grr, pidgin is really winding me up
[20:02] <Azelphur> excess flood for no reason every few minutes :/
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> QI in 5 :)
[20:56] <brobostigon> :)
[20:56] <brobostigon> bbc1 or bbc2?
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> 2
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> or hd
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> or 4?
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> 2
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/guide/ :)
[20:57] <brobostigon> :)
[21:04] <Myrtti> ahihi
[21:04] <Myrtti> http://elvarikorut.punomo.fi/tuote/931/laku-kalvosinnapit
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: ooh, liquorice allsorts
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: we call that "Engelse drop" in Dutch :)
[21:10] <Myrtti> yup
[21:10] <Myrtti> English licorice here
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> well yes, that translates to that :)
[21:17] <Laney> I had Dutch drop before: ♥
[21:17] <Laney> Don't think anyone else who tried it enjoyed the experience though
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> Laney: lots of people I know love it ;)
[21:23] <Myrtti> mmmm salmiakki
[21:23] <Myrtti> salty fish, right?
[21:55] <j0nr> hey folks....how would I install ATI drivers on a server edition?
[21:55] <brobostigon> why would you want to?
[21:55] <brobostigon> whats the point?
[22:00] <j0nr> to run xbmc brobostigon
[22:00] <brobostigon> xbmc?
[22:01] <j0nr> media centre thingy
[22:01] <Azelphur> j0nr: sounds like you want to install the ubuntu-desktop package
[22:01] <j0nr> so I have a machine running as a file server, which I would like to run xbmc on...
[22:01] <Azelphur> if you want a gui and stuff
[22:01] <brobostigon> umm, i would add them with aptitude like normal, and then set in xorg.conf, to use those drivers.
[22:01] <j0nr> Azelphur: not really
[22:01] <j0nr> brobostigon: not sure what I am looking for though, driver wise
[22:02] <j0nr> the AMD website doesn't seem to help. it says to refer to the dell website
[22:02] <brobostigon> j0nr: if memory serves,, there is a specific, xorg ati driver package.
[22:03] <j0nr> and the dell website doesn't support linux
[22:04] <j0nr> I think I want the ati catalyst...?
[22:06] <brobostigon> http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-radeon http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-ati
[22:06] <brobostigon> those were the two i had in mind.
[22:07] <j0nr> what about this page brobostigon https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:07] <j0nr> It talks about the 'Radeon' driver, it mentions my card, but it doesn't actually say how to get it
[22:08] <brobostigon> j0nr: you see the package i mentioned above, the radeon package, find that in ubuntu, it should be exactly the ame, in ubuntu.
[22:08] <j0nr> ah, nice one brobostigon ! :)
[22:09] <brobostigon> j0nr: more or less, debian and ubuntu are equal. kindof.
[22:11] <brobostigon> j0nr: you might have to specify, for xorg to use that drivers, in xorg's config's.
[22:19] <kirrus> Erm.. does anyone know why Ubuntu have just locked out access to some ips?
[22:19] <kirrus> sorry, to apt repos?
[22:19] <kirrus> I'm getting a shed-load of 403s on my lucid box now
[22:20] <kirrus> huh, looks to be just me. I think this is a case of pebkac and tiredness
[22:21] <kirrus> Sorry.


[16:13] <agaida> tsimonq2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm/+bug/1562764 -- invalid pathes - is a bug in libfm and will be gone with the next libfm - this bug also hit pcmanfm-qt
[16:14] <agaida> aka - next time LStranger make a release
[16:18] <agaida> the package with the ported back upstream patch should solve this too.
[16:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: you planning some kind of presentation for bug day?
[19:58] <tsimonq2> agaida: I'll take a look in a bit
[19:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: \o/ that would be awesome!
[19:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: maybe like an Ubuntu On Air presentation then questions?
[19:58] <agaida> tsimonq2: normally it shouldn't segfault - my first try would be a local rebuild
[19:59] <tsimonq2> agaida: so you want it fixed before the next libfm lands?
[20:00] <agaida> no - but i would like to know if it segfaults reproducable - and if it segfaults with a new local build too
[20:00] <agaida> it might be the abi-thing
[20:01] <tsimonq2> agaida: do I rebuild with the abi change or without?
[20:02] <agaida> as long the newest libs are used that should not make a difference - with is better i think
[20:02] <tsimonq2> alright,
[20:04] <tsimonq2> agaida: it seems the change is already in yakkety, would it be okay if I just test with that?
[20:04] <agaida> yes
[20:05] <tsimonq2> agaida: or would you like me to completely rebuild it?
[20:05] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[20:07] <tsimonq2> agaida: http://storage7.static.itmages.com/i/16/0714/h_1468526882_4654832_065bac260e.png
[20:08] <agaida> ok - thats the right behaviour
[20:09] <agaida> but i think we should talk about lxqt-config and the kscreen thing from yesterday
[20:09] <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:26:45] <jilocasin0> agaida: things like lxqt-monitor-config kept seg faulting, display wrong size and mirrored on multiple monitors, etc.
[20:09] <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:27:32] <agaida> good to know - you have filed a bug in launchpad?
[20:09] <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:27:34] <jilocasin0> agaida: it doesn't look like the default lxqt meta package in ubuntu 16.04 contains all of the needed dependencies.
[20:09] <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:28:14] <agaida> it does
[20:11] <agaida> dunno if he tried the infamous ppa :) - but the xenial packages should bring all needed things - and there should be no segfault i guess
[20:11] <agaida> misbehaviour yes - segfaulting no
[20:15] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah if you can arrange it. or something.
[20:17] <wxl> tsimonq2: maybe an optional google hangout on air for folks that need help or are new
[20:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: would it be an hour long or longer/shorter?
[20:20] <wxl> tsimonq2: hm, i guess it could go either way. depends on how much time you want to put into it. i did a talk on bugs and it took me about 30 minutes
[20:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: well I was thinking whatever I don't cover by the bugs, I can use as sort of a Q&A to answer some questions people might be having
[20:21] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah it might be good to have an intro for the total noob
[20:22] <wxl> tsimonq2: like think about making up something that would get your mom interested in helping
[20:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: which is what I'm planning, then the Q&A with whatever time is left
[20:23] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah that sounds good. the irc being the other alternative for q&a. just like with on air sessions, we should echo them both ways. i can help with that
[20:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: who would be the speakers? just me, or do you want in too?
[20:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: yep :)
[20:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: I guess, doesn't it depend on what time the Q&A is?
[20:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: i think one speaker would be good, but can help, too
[20:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: i think we should do it on a different dqay from the day we do the thing
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: I think having you in would help with the Q&A, as I will prepare the presentation beforehand
[20:25] <wxl> tsimonq2: can do
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: do you really want to do it on a Monday? :P
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: great :)
[20:25] <tsimonq2> now timing
[20:25] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah i guess that's a good point, but i'm thinking it would be less commitment at one time that way
[20:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: well my thought was, having it on the same day as the bug day would be almost something to refer to and ask common questions if there is something we didn't cover
[20:27] <tsimonq2> s/we/I/
[20:27] <wxl> tsimonq2: true. maybe having a break between would be nice?
[20:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: break between what?
[20:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: presentation and Q&A?
[20:29] <wxl> tsimonq2: presentation and work
[20:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: well what dates/times do you propose then?
[20:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm open to pretty much everything
[20:32] <wxl> tsimonq2: well, 1900 is noon. i guess we could do it at 1700, but that's kind of pushing things close for me. which is why if we spread it out over two days that might be better
[20:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: I see
[20:33] <wxl> tsimonq2: i guess if i'm not doing the presentation and all i need to do is echo stuff on irc, i can probably do that
[20:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: so on that Monday maybe? to get people hyped up? :)
[20:34] <wxl> tsimonq2: that's what i'm thinking. i don't have anything else going on so that would be good
[20:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: well I mean you would be on the hangout during the Q&A part so you can speak the answers to the questions. That's how it's always worked with the community team Q&A. :)
[20:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: great :)
[20:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: so does 19-29 UTC work for you then?
[20:37] <tsimonq2> *20
[20:37] <tsimonq2> :P lol
[20:40] <wxl> tsimonq2: syre
[20:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: great
[20:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll set it up! :D
[20:45] <wxl> thx tsimonq2. now time to get working on the presentation :)
[20:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: yep, I'll put it under Git in my Launchpad junk :P
[20:49] <wxl> tsimonq2: you should bzr push it, and then git clone it, and then svn— XD
[20:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: you forgot hg! then we tar all of that up, then zip that up, then- XD
[20:51] <wxl> hehehe
[21:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: you are gonna have to register the Hangout on Air, I've used my number too many times this year and it won't let me enable the feature
[21:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: then on the 25th, just PM me the link
[21:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: ugh lame. i guess we don't HAVE to make it on air?
[21:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: wait no, I forgot
[21:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: they have their own account
[21:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: we probably can just get a link or something
[21:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: so nevermind, I think :)
[21:14] <wxl> tsimonq2: k good XD
[21:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: I mean if we NEEDED to, you could probably get me the Hangout link before work and I can chill out before going live at 19 :)
[21:16] <wxl> tsimonq2: kk
[23:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: so I'm planning the presentation
[23:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: would it be okay with you if I asked you to paste links in the channel during the presentation?
[23:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: or would you like me to do it myself?
[23:24] <wxl> that works, ts
[23:24] <wxl> uh
[23:24] <wxl> tsimonq2:
[23:25] <tsimonq2> okay wxl