[10:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:31] <kust0m> hydraulix: and rm -r isn't working?
[10:31] <kenthomson> !refresh
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about refresh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <kenthomson> !refresh-rate
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about refresh-rate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <hydraulix> kust0m: For some reason it's not clearing all the files.
[10:31] <mwe> berent: well you should reinstall the 2.6.20 one for feisty. type the full name, though.
[10:31] <berent> mwe : it was almost ending evrything done - last 15 minutes and only upgrade screen hung
[10:31] <kenthomson> !refreshrate
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about refreshrate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <kust0m> hydraulix: rm -rf the directory itself?
[10:31] <mwe> berent: hmm
[10:31] <berent> mwe : so u mean apt-get install 2.6.20-386?
[10:31] <mwe> berent: in that case apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:32] <hydraulix> kust0m: Well, I can't do that since I want to keep the dir. It has all my music.
[10:32] <mwe> berent: no
[10:32] <mwe> berent: !reinstall it
[10:32] <mwe> !reinstall | berent
[10:32] <ubotu> berent: To renew the configuration of a package when installing, sudo apt-get remove --purge <package> && sudo apt-get install <package>.  WARNING: This is dangerous, don't do this with core packages
[10:32] <hydraulix> kust0m: The hidden files are like a copy of the real music.
[10:32] <eck> Bromics: not sure if it will help, but here's mine for comparison http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18216/
[10:32] <kust0m> hydraulix: i'm confused. how are they 'hidden'?
[10:32] <hydraulix> kust0m: But, they are blank BS files that do nothing.
[10:32] <vecnah> hi , how to I recreate a default fstab , or how do I get the uidd of a partition?
[10:32] <berent> mwe : what all it will remove?
[10:32] <eck> Bromics: line 229 is where my usb subsystem starts to get loaded
[10:32] <mwe> berent: the name is what you get if you type dpkg -l|grep linux-image and look at the 2.6.20 one
[10:32] <Esteth> berent: it lets you create files which are essentially encrypted storage volumes. you can then mount the volumes just like you would a windows partition. you can hide an encrypted volume in another encrypted volume, so that if you're forced to supply the password, you can give the one for the non-sensitive data, but when you want the data, you can give the password for the sensitive data
[10:32] <kust0m> hydraulix: and are they 0 bytes?
[10:33] <mwe> berent: ?
[10:33] <hydraulix> kust0m: OS X has a lot of .DS_store and such files.
[10:33] <holycow> is there a mixer that does spectrum mixing (bass, mids, highs) ?
[10:33] <hydraulix> kust0m: Mostly 8kb
[10:33] <eck> Bromics: actually, 211
[10:33] <mwe> berent: you'll remove it completely then reinstall it right away
[10:33] <hydraulix> kust0m: song.mp3 is what I want to keep. .song.mp3 is what I want to remove.
[10:33] <Bromics> eck, i cant see errors. it just says they are loaded
[10:33] <BlackDalek> with all my searching, all I can ever come up with for the "no sound in flash" issue is the firefox_dsp="aoss" fix.. but even this does not work for me. Surely there must be some other page somewhere with other solutions to try out? anyone?
[10:33] <kenthomson> HELP; I am having a nvidia fx-5200, nvidia-drivers, feisty, and Samsung syncmaster 940bw (it can do 1440x900 @ 75Hz). But ubunut only lets me do 1440x900 @ 50hz. PLease help. I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and correctly entered the H and V values. I manually edited the xorg.conf to enter the refresh rates, in the Section "screen" put the mode as "1440x900_75.0", but still i can't get 75HZ. PLease help
[10:33] <mwe> berent: wait, though
[10:33] <berent> mwe :it was around a GB!!
[10:34] <mwe> berent: what was?
[10:34] <berent> mwe : the upgrade
[10:34] <nikin> how can i disable  acpi? couse i ame sure that my CPU is not as heat as 1900?C
[10:34] <mwe> berent: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:34] <hydraulix> kust0m: I've tried find /storage/music/ -name *.* and that didn't work.
[10:34] <hydraulix> kust0m: sorry there's more to that command.
[10:34] <berent> mwe : in chroot?
[10:34] <dd> does ubuntu have the auto update feature  like fedora?
[10:34] <eck> Bromics: that's just at the end though, right?
[10:34] <mwe> berent: yes
[10:34] <Bromics> eck, yup
[10:34] <holycow> kenthomson, make sure you have the correct vert and horizontal refresh rates for your moni in xorg.conf.  they determine the calculations that allow proper resolutions for your monitor.  google your monitore model and make to find them.
[10:34] <dd> whats it scalled
[10:35] <eck> dd: update-manager is basically the same thing as yum-updatesd
[10:35] <mwe> berent: it want's to dl 1GB?
[10:35] <eck> Bromics: you should be looking earlier on
[10:35] <ozzyparrot> yes but  in fedora there is an icon
[10:35] <berent> mwe : no when i was in edgy it was aroung 1 gb download
[10:35] <ozzyparrot> that shows automaticly
[10:35] <eck> ozzyparrot: same with update-manager ;-)
[10:35] <ozzyparrot> when updates are ready
[10:35] <mwe> ozzyparrot: there is in ubuntu as well when updates are available
[10:35] <ozzyparrot> oh
[10:35] <kenthomson> holycow: i have them correct
[10:36] <ozzyparrot> so i take it that no updates  are ready ?
[10:36] <mwe> berent: odd. did you change sources.list or something?
[10:36] <kenthomson> NO-ONE is willing to help me get 75HZ?
[10:36] <kust0m> hydraulix: so are they all .files?
[10:36] <ozzyparrot> whatsthe icon called
[10:36] <dr-fusion> can anyone explain why my install is sticking at 90% under "detecting hardware"? - its been like it for the past 8 hours
[10:36] <mwe> berent: are you going to purge the edgy partition when feisty works?
[10:36] <hydraulix> kust0m: Yes.
[10:36] <eck> ozzyparrot: it's not done with dbus though, so it takes a minute or so before it will be reflected in your system tray
[10:36] <holycow> kenthomson, ah i didn't read your whole post sorry
[10:36] <LordLimecat> is nvidia-glx-new-dev newer than nvidia-glx-new?
[10:36] <berent> mwe : no i would like both
[10:36] <mwe> berent: I see
[10:36] <hydraulix> kust0m: here's what I tried. find / -iname "*." -exec rm {} \;
[10:37] <eck> hydraulix: that looks lovely
[10:37] <mwe> berent: well in the chroot apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. then !reinstall the linux-image
[10:37] <berent> mwe : when i did update in chroot i got message to run dpkg --configure -a
[10:37] <hydraulix> eck: Thanks. :)
[10:37] <ozzyparrot> whats the icon called
[10:37] <hydraulix> eck: Wish it would work.
[10:37] <eck> kust0m: that's the same as rm -rf /
[10:37] <kust0m> hydraulix: take my advice with caution..but what if you do like "find /path/to/files -name '.*' -delete
[10:37] <nikin> kenthomso if you know what you do : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will let you change that
[10:37] <mwe> berent: do that, then. type dpkg --configure -a and retry
[10:37] <hydraulix> eck: Forget about the "/" in that command
[10:37] <berent> mwe : let me see if it will finish of the remaining installation i.e after hang
[10:37] <hydraulix> kust0m: Ok.
[10:38] <mwe> berent: or maybe it fixes it
[10:38] <MSTKsg> wow.
[10:38] <kenthomson> holycow: ?
[10:38] <berent> mwe : hopefully
[10:38] <MSTKsg> my luck tonight has been the absolute worst.
[10:38] <ozzyparrot> whatsthe icon called
[10:38] <holycow> i'm not sure what part of my reply would warrant your question.  it was in plain english.
[10:38] <eck> ozzyparrot: the "icon" is update-manager
[10:38] <kust0m> hydraulix: you might want to try that on a garbage directory first..to make sure you don't hose your good files.
[10:38] <berent> mwe : thank you so much
[10:38] <hydraulix> kust0m: Already did. :)
[10:39] <hydraulix> kust0m: Looks like it worked.
[10:39] <hydraulix> kust0m: Thanks man.
[10:39] <sgtmattbaker> http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/11/the_road_to_the.html
[10:39] <sgtmattbaker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2557685#post2557685
[10:39] <sgtmattbaker> what do you think of this stuff
[10:39] <hydraulix> kust0m: It's always something so simple that I forget. :)
[10:39] <MSTKsg> a computer crash in the middle of my Ubuntu upgrade resulted in my system being corrupted.  I looked up the answer on another computer, and found that I should burn a live CD.  I started burning it, but then that computer crashed in the middle of the burning.  Now that one isn't even turning on.
[10:39] <kust0m> hydraulix: np. i wasn't sure that would work or not..call it a lucky guess.
[10:39] <eck> MSTKsg: you can't boot into rescue mode/
[10:40] <_Chap_> hi - need help to setup widescreen hp laptop - X wont run - no screen found!? (ATI Radeon Mobility X1300)
[10:40] <hydraulix> kust0m: haha. Well, I tested it in a trash dir I created.
[10:40] <hydraulix> kust0m: So it's all good.
[10:40] <MSTKsg> recovery mode leaves me hanging.  It says "Mounting root directory..." (or something of the sort), and then it just stops.
[10:40] <hydraulix> kust0m: Very nice. Now Amarok doesn't look like Sh*t.
[10:40] <hydraulix> kust0m: Thanks again man.
[10:40] <MSTKsg> and I had it all set, too.  I was going to burn the live CD from an alternate computer in the house that runs on Windows.
[10:40] <kust0m> hydraulix: np
[10:40] <MSTKsg> only for some reason, that computer crashed in the middle of burning the CD and now it won't even turn on.
[10:41] <MSTKsg> maybe I should just go to sleep for now.
[10:41] <eck> MSTKsg: it sounds like your computers are conspiring against you
[10:41] <kust0m> MSTKsg: it's a conspiracy.
[10:41] <_Chap_> i got the vga to boot into 8 bit 320 somethin :) and got as far as wifi up and irc installed ...
[10:41] <hydraulix> Now I just need to figure out where to put 1200 "unknown" artists.
[10:41] <hydraulix> haha
[10:41] <kust0m> hydraulix: when you figure out a good solution  to that one let me know.
[10:41] <MSTKsg> and now for some reason it won't let my nick here be MSTK, which it normally is.
[10:42] <user-land> mstksg check the seating of your RAM.
[10:42] <MSTKsg> because when the computer that was burning the CD and connected to IRC crashed, it apparently stayed logged on
[10:42] <MSTKsg> oh wait, it just disconnected right now
[10:42] <MSTK> I guess my luck isn't all that bad.
[10:42] <_Chap_> we shld all have these nick issues..
[10:42] <kust0m> MSTK: there's probably a "ghost" command you can use with nickserv or something.
[10:43] <kenthomson> can someone help me setup my refresh rate correctly????
[10:43] <nikin> hmmm this mdaadm was evil
[10:43] <_Chap_> unfortunately, im dealin with an 8bit vga desktop - where most windows dont show up with the 'ok' button
[10:43] <MSTK> well, I can no longer try to fix things while still staying logged on.  Because now i'm confined to one computer, and if I try to fix something I'll have to reboot out of irc.
[10:43] <_Chap_> kent - wow u were here 8hrs ago (just like me)
[10:44] <eck> MSTK: i would just try to burn a live cd and back up the data. if apt is in a really inconsistent state it will be much easier to reinstall than fix it by hand
[10:44] <MSTK> then would I lose all of my personal settings?
[10:44] <eck> MSTK: not if you back up /home
[10:45] <eck> MSTK: you can mount the old install from the live cd and back it up somehow
[10:45] <MSTK> ah.
[10:45] <nikin> is there any command to see what modules where loaded for each one hardware?
[10:45] <_Chap_> can someone suggest a soltn for ATI Radeon mobility x1300 widescreen (1280x800) hp laptop ...
[10:45] <MSTK> are the settings for the sidebars and such stored in home?
[10:45] <eck> nikin: i think scanning through dmesg is the closest you will get
[10:46] <eck> MSTK: sidebars in what?
[10:46] <sgtmattbaker>  http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/11/the_road_to_the.html
[10:46] <sgtmattbaker> (04:38:23 AM) sgtmattbaker: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2557685#post2557685
[10:46] <sgtmattbaker> (04:38:23 AM) sgtmattbaker: what do you think of this stuff
[10:46] <MSTK> I forgot what they're called, exactly.  They're sort of the equivilent of the Dock on macs and the taskbar on Windows.
[10:46] <eck> MSTK: yeah, all the gnome stuff is in ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* and ~/.local
[10:46] <MSTK> ah, thanks.  well there's hope after all.
[10:47] <eck> MSTK: everything you didn't explicitly edit with a file editor outside of /home is in /home
[10:47] <MSTK> you recommend just a full reinstall?
[10:48] <eck> yes, all you have to do is make a tarball of your homedir and dump it back on after the install and everything will be exactly the same
[10:48] <_Chap_> can someone suggest a soltn for ATI Radeon mobility x1300 widescreen (1280x800) hp laptop ...(and no Im not pasting anything on the web)
[10:48] <nikin> eck: just couse ndiswrapper tels me that my WLAN card is not present... but it works altrouht i blaclisted the r818x and the r8187
[10:48] <sgtmattbaker>  http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/11/the_road_to_the.html
[10:48] <sgtmattbaker> (04:38:23 AM) sgtmattbaker: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2557685#post2557685
[10:48] <sgtmattbaker> (04:38:23 AM) sgtmattbaker: what do you think of this stuff
[10:48] <MSTK> I guess it's both a curse and a blessing that I picked today to learn how to use the command line.
[10:49] <MSTK> Scary part is that once I log off, I'm on my own without help, now that my other computer went kaput for some odd reason while burning the LiveCD.
[10:49] <eck> MSTK: in the live cd, you can backup your stuff with something like: tar -cvzf /path/to/backup/point/home.tar.gz -C /home your_username_here
[10:49] <MSTK> I'm going to have to copy & paste that onto regular old pen and paper.
[10:50] <_Chap_> mstk - it makes u better - i was stranded like that all day
[10:50] <dimy> hi! is there a linux 2.6.21 package somewhere? like unstable / experimental?
[10:50] <MSTK> heh, thanks, chap.  That does help, sort of.
[10:50] <MSTK> from what I can gather on the forums, a bunch of people have this problem.
[10:50] <eck> dimy: no, you can grab the upstream release though
[10:50] <eck> dimy: eventually one will be in the gutsy repos
[10:51] <eck> MSTK: yeah, i've seen quite a few people on here with the error message you described
[10:51] <eck> i'm curious what causes it
[10:51] <MSTK> for most people it seems to be hardware.
[10:51] <_Chap_> can someone suggest a soltn for ATI Radeon mobility x1300 widescreen (1280x800)- error - no screen!
[10:52] <_Chap_> tried a few other drivers and also the xorg.conf rebuild
[10:52] <MSTK> It's just tough for me because I don't know if my computer crashed because of my messing with the command module crashing the computer (interrupting the update), or the update actually finishing and rebooting automatically.  So I don't know if it was installed all the way or not.
[10:52] <eck> MSTK: oh, add a -p to the switches in tar, that will preserve your file permissions
[10:53] <eck> MSTK: have you ever done a chroot before? you can chroot into the install from the live cd and see exactly what the state of the system is
[10:53] <MSTK> so -cvfp ?
[10:53] <eck> cvzfp
[10:53] <aa^way> how to copy Desktop items to /var/www/ ?
[10:53] <eck> err, czvpf
[10:53] <eck> the f has to be last
[10:53] <MSTK> thanks.
[10:53] <aa^way> like /username/Desktop/ isnt right, is tehre anything other i should add path?
[10:53] <MSTK> "chroot" sounds completely foreign to me.
[10:54] <eck> aa^way: the path is /home/username/Desktop
[10:54] <aa^way> o hyes sry
[10:54] <MSTK> Wow, what a great day for my uTorrent to stop working.
[10:54] <MSTK> and not downloading the iso.
[10:54] <odat> i can not fix the nvidia kernel module api mixmatch problem  Please Help
[10:54] <eck> MSTK: it lets you change the root of your filesystem to another point and put a shell in that environment. if you mount the old install and chroot into it you'll effectively be dropped into a shell on the mounted system
[10:54] <_Chap_> ok im doin more drugs while waiting patiently for some X11-widescreen guru
[10:55] <eck> MSTK: you can use it to investigate a system that isn't booting up if you have a live cd
[10:55] <kahrytan> Hello
[10:55] <MSTK> So wait, I'm a bit confused with this live cd.  When I go onto the terminal from it, is it accessing my Hard Drive?
[10:55] <irvin> can i use rsync to get the release iso from beta?
[10:55] <MSTK> like, is the terminal and the file hierarcy based on my hard drive?
[10:56] <eck> MSTK: no. if you mount the old install somewhere then you can access the hard drive, and when you chroot into it the shell will act like it's running in the file hierarchy based on the hard drive
[10:56] <odat> i can not fix the nvidia kernel module api mixmatch problem  Please Help
[10:57] <eck> MSTK: so if you run "ls" on the cd outside of the chroot it will run the ls command on the cd, if you do it in the chroot it will actually run the ls command that was installed on your hard drive
[10:57] <MSTK> I can't believe that other computer crashed. Now I can't be on IRC while I'm down under.
[10:57] <MSTK> what do you mean by "somewhere"?  On a partition?  USB thumb drive?
[10:58] <eck> MSTK: the filesystem is a tree. you can mount the hard drive at any point on that tree (it is customary to do so somewhere under /mnt or /media)
[10:58] <kahrytan> eck: What is chroot? in laymans
[10:59] <eck> kahrytan: if you think of the filesystem as a tree, it changes the "root" of the tree to a node below the true root
[10:59] <ubuntu__> how do i mount a fat partition in read/write mode?
[10:59] <MSTK> erm, so do I do that in addition to tarballing everything?
[10:59] <eck> kahrytan: so if you chroot into /usr and then run a program in "/bin" it will really be running from /usr/bin
[10:59] <erpo> Which package should I install to get a version of libm with debuggin symbols?
[10:59] <jmachacek_> ?? blue jelly
[11:00] <aa^way> how to stop apache2 in ubuntu, using terminal
[11:00] <_Chap_> pls help setup video for widescreen laptop ATI radeon mobility x1300 - currently Xserv does not run - no screen!? (except with vga 8bit driver)
[11:00] <erpo> aa^way: sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop       I think.
[11:01] <odat> i can not fix the nvidia kernel module api mismatch problem  Please Help
[11:01] <MSTK> Okay, I understand chroot now.  But I don't quite get how it would help me backup /home
[11:01] <eck> MSTK: make the tarball so you have a backup of your data. then mount the ubuntu install somewhere, say /mnt/ubuntu. then in a shell you would run "sudo chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/env /bin/bash"
[11:01] <eck> MSTK: the tarball is just in case you want to reinstall
[11:01] <dmhouse> Is it possible/a good idea to install RPMs under Ubuntu?
[11:01] <eck> MSTK: in the chroot you can use apt and dpkg to investigate the state of the system
[11:01] <erpo> dmhouse: Yeah, there's a tool to do it, but it's generally a bad idea.
[11:02] <kahrytan> dmhouse: It is possible and only if you think it TRUSTED source
[11:02] <silverfrost> i downloaded a .emerald theme from beryl but how do i config it to run on the theme manager? i clicked update in the emerald theme manager but nothing happend can someone help me?
[11:02] <_Chap_> somethin tells me MSTK is not so keen on the whole forensic computing bit...
[11:02] <dmhouse> kahrytan: ah, well, I trust the source, what's the method?
[11:02] <eck> MSTK: if you look at /var/log/dpkg.log in the chroot you can see what apt was doing when the system crashed
[11:03] <_Chap_> just format slap in 7.04 and ...well unless you have a widescreen
[11:03] <MSTK> heh, sorry _Chap_.  A lot of this trouble might have been caused by my venturing into the world of terminal and command line in the first place.
[11:03] <kahrytan> dmhouse: note the TRUSTED  capitals  You should look for deb package first.
[11:04] <kahrytan> !info alien | dmhouse
[11:04] <ubotu> dmhouse: alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.65 (feisty), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[11:04] <_Chap_> is there anyting really critical there - just start over w/ - ive done it 3-4 times today - with tthe alternate liveCD
[11:04] <dmhouse> Right, well, I basically want to install readline.so.4, but Synaptic appears only to include readline version 5.
[11:05] <MSTK> eh.  so would I simply (1) tarball /home (2)back it up somewhere safe (3) do a complete reinstall (4) restore /home ?
[11:05] <eck> MSTK: yeah, pretty much
[11:05] <kahrytan> eck: i wish I could understand chroot. Wikipedia just gave me the impression it can be used for security.
[11:05] <MSTK> chroot makes sense to me now.  but I'm not sure how it could be used for security.
[11:05] <eck> backing up the tarball would look like: tar -xvpzf something.tar.gz -C /home
[11:06] <dimy> eck: is this pin fine if I just like the kernel from gutsy? Package: * \n Pin: release a=gutsy \n Pin-Priority: 20
[11:06] <eck> kahrytan: usually it is used for security, so that if a program is compromised you can't use a buffer overrun or something like that to mess with any file on the system
[11:06] <MSTK> so, er, wait.  How would I back it up/move it somewhere safe?  Would I use a flash drive?  Partition?  (If this involves chroot, then I don't quite understand)
[11:06] <eck> dimy: you need to pin it to something higher than 20
[11:07] <cypherdelic> I installed JanVitus mozilla flash plugin for feisty amd64, i still cant watch flash videos on you tube the framework seems to work but i only see 2 big WHITe vertcal bars instead o the video. please help me, what can i do?
[11:07] <eck> MSTK: back it up to a flash drive or some other external media
[11:07] <kahrytan> eck: It sounds like ghosting almost
[11:07] <eck> what is ghosting?
[11:07] <MSTK> eck - So, in the path of least resistance, I wouldn't have to touch chroot?
[11:07] <eck> MSTK: correct
[11:07] <kahrytan> eck: SOmething that looks like it is there but isnt
[11:08] <_Chap_> ghosting is when u linger here for days trying to resolve something "interesting"
[11:08] <eck> lol
[11:08] <rak_> how do i mount or unmount an external hard drive manually (via CL)
[11:08] <dimy> eck: ok... I guess 100 is fine - so I will still receive updates for the gutsy packages, but nothing from feisty gets upgraded to gutsy?
[11:08] <funkmaster> hi there, what's up with ubuntu.com?
[11:08] <poje> rak_: man mount
[11:08] <funkmaster> why is it down?
[11:08] <MSTK> funkmaster - it seems to be up and down for some reason for me.
[11:08] <poje> funkmaster: not sure - wiki.ubuntu.com is still up, so who knows
[11:08] <berent> mwe : u there
[11:08] <_Chap_> like - watch Chap do more blow so he can ghost for another couple days - with his shiny new laptop
[11:09] <berent> mwe : urgent requirement!!
[11:09] <eck> dimy: i've only used pinning to lock a package at a version, not to make it get updates from another repository, so i'm not sure
[11:09] <rak_> cool, thanks poje
[11:09] <cypherdelic> I installed JanVitus mozilla flash plugin for feisty amd64, i still cant watch flash videos on you tube the framework seems to work but i only see 2 big WHITe vertcal bars instead o the video. please help me, what can i do?
[11:09] <MSTK> some subdirectories are still up, too.  such as releases.ubuntu.com
[11:09] <Syn`> Hello, i want to install ubuntu 6.06 ? Is it possible to upgrade it to the newest version?
[11:09] <dimy> eck: ok, thx... I'll try the kernel :)
[11:09] <eck> dimy: e.g. i would lock it with priority 1000 so it never gets updated at all
[11:10] <aa^way> how to delete everything in folder with sudo?
[11:10] <eck> kahrytan: it is frequently done with something like postfix that really only needs to look at files in /var, so you can create a fake filesystem under /var/postfix or something like that and chroot it into that environment
[11:10] <erpo_> aa^way: sudo rm -r foldername
[11:10] <aa^way> thanks
[11:10] <erpo_> aa^way: Careful with sudo rm commands
[11:10] <berent> !pastebin
[11:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:11] <funkmaster> so where to get ubuntu ?
[11:11] <erpo_> What is the command that tells me which package contains a particular file?
[11:11] <gregorovius> erpo, you can search that in packages.ubuntu.com
[11:11] <macd> !widescreen
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widescreen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <Akure> #ubuntu.pl
[11:12] <_Chap_> its either sometinfrom ati - this 5-6 letter thing with an f..?
[11:12] <berent> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18217/  - regarding raids : anyone to help
[11:12] <macd> fglrx.
[11:12] <kahrytan> eck:  I would probably wouldnt need it anyways
[11:12] <_Chap_> thats it - is it worth it ?
[11:12] <macd> if you want 3d acceleration
[11:12] <innu> SB LIVE 5.1! help needed : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=426195
[11:13] <_Chap_> i just need sometin that suppoorts the chipset (m52)
[11:13] <funkmaster> where can i get the latest ubuntu release?
[11:13] <berent> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18218/ - regaridng lvm2 - someone to help me
[11:13] <macd> funkmaster, cdimages.ubuntu.com
[11:13] <eck> it is also notoriously insecure, esp. on linux
[11:13] <kahrytan> eck: Why are you so smart?
[11:14] <poje> funkmaster: http://www.releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/
[11:14] <eck> kahrytan: haha, i'm a sysadmin part time, i'm paid to know this stuff ;-)
[11:14] <funkmaster> macd: cool thx, that's still up
[11:14] <_Chap_> just b/c katharyn he's stopped dating way back
[11:14] <MSTK> truly, kahrytan.  I owe eck so much for helping out with my various escapades today.
[11:14] <kahrytan> eck:  That would do it. Get paid the big bucks. I know sys admins are paid allot.
[11:15] <_Chap_> ima sysadmin - help ?!
[11:15] <poje> kahrytan: and abused ;)
[11:15] <_Chap_> prof courtesy - or just charity - is greatly rewarded from above
[11:15] <kahrytan> poje: abused?
[11:15] <markvandenborre> I wonder about the correct upgrade path from evolution 2.6 to evolution 2.10.1
[11:15] <markvandenborre> (dapper to feisty)
[11:15] <MSTK> ugh, having to use Windows for the past few hours made me realize how much I need Linux.
[11:16] <poje> eck: how many hours do you work vs how many you get paid for? If you don't mind answering, obviously
[11:16] <markvandenborre> I have a tarball of a home directory
[11:16] <loco_aullador> hi anyone knows how can i run adept manager as root? it says that i cant install nothing cause i didnt run it like root
[11:16] <poje> kahrytan: talk to yer sysop sometime :)
[11:16] <MSTK> loco_aullador - use sudo
[11:16] <markvandenborre> is there anything special I should do?
[11:16] <poje> loco_aullador: try putting a gksudo in front
[11:16] <kahrytan> poje: Don't have one
[11:16] <markvandenborre><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the only thing relevant I can think of
[11:16] <_Chap_> i get paid by the hr...who takes a salary inthis - unless its corp?!
[11:16] <poje> _Chap_: you answered your own question
[11:17] <eck> poje: i am paid for as many hours as I work, but probably only because i get paid hourly (since the job is part time). My bosss (the main sysadmin) works _long_ hours though
[11:17] <poje> _Chap_: although as a part time eck is prolly hourly
[11:17] <_Chap_> i had 60k a year at a non-profit w/ 50 users...was it worth it ?
[11:17] <loco_aullador> MSTK: but what is the command for adept manager?
[11:17] <Enselic__> Has anyone gotten Google Earth to run on AMD64?
[11:17] <MSTK> apt-manager?  I wish I could help more but I'm stranded right now.
[11:17] <loco_aullador> poje: gksudo is similar to sudo?
[11:17] <poje> eck: yeah, hadn't thought that question through fully - just as I would suspect
[11:17] <loco_aullador> MSTK:  ok thanx anyway
[11:17] <macd> loco_aullador, 'gksudo adept'
[11:17] <Enselic__> poje: gksudo asks for pasword graphically
[11:18] <poje> loco_aullador: see Enselic__'s answer
[11:18] <loco_aullador> Enselic__:  ah ok thanx
[11:18] <_Chap_> id rather get in and out of clients - thats how i work now - and someone else builds the relationship - i just get it done and ill em
[11:18] <MSTK> of course, if you're going to do anything in Terminal, it's got to be done non-graphically.  Otherwise what's the point, right? (sarcasm(
[11:18] <kahrytan> gksudo works slightly different then sudo
[11:19] <_Chap_> common MSTK - nano has those nice bars - and sometimes theres ANSI color..
[11:19] <poje> MSTK: if you're launching it in the background it's quite possible for the next prompt to grab your password instead of the launched program
[11:19] <PuRu> anyone wanna help me getting my TV-out to work?
[11:19] <MSTK> _Chap: but the only reason to use the Terminal is so that you can look like a 1337 ha><0rz, right?
[11:19] <poje> MSTK: well that and it's more efficient/powerful ;)
[11:20] <MSTK> people don't watch hackers in old movies from the 80's because they used efficient and powerful systems.
[11:20] <ph8> any idea how to turn up my laptop's screen brightness on ubuntu?
[11:25] (tarnap_/#ubuntu) i'll make the changes and reboot
[11:25] (MSTK/#ubuntu) vignesh - are you getting the "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" error?
[11:25] (odat/#ubuntu) i cannot find a solution to the nvidia kernel api mismatch
[11:25] (tarnap_/#ubuntu) brb
[11:25] (odat/#ubuntu) nothing in the forums works
[11:25] (vignesh/#ubuntu) MSTK: no..
[11:25] (vignesh/#ubuntu) I have an Intel 946GZ mobotherboard
[11:25] (innu/#ubuntu) SB LIVE 5.1! help needed : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=426195
[11:25] (vignesh/#ubuntu) It just stops saying insert boot disk and continue
[11:25] (poje/#ubuntu) Guys, I've been meaning to ask how to make the boot process display its progress - I'd like to keep the splash and still scroll what's processing
[11:25] (MSTK/#ubuntu) hm.  those things you mentioned seem to be connected with that error.
[11:25] (kahrytan/#ubuntu) eck: They should run Ubuntu server :-P
[11:26] (poje/#ubuntu) I remember it being like that on Dapper I think...can't even remember
[11:26] <lsproc354> I am running the feisty livecd, but the resolution is wrong (it is not 1440x900) but the resolution is also not on the list of ones I can swich to, what should I do?
[11:26] <gamm4knife> poje download a tool called Start UP Manager , it'll help you see everything you need
[11:26] <Esteth> how would i start a new xserver running gnome in a regular (not my xgl specific) session?
[11:26] <_Chap_> can someone help me find my screen - which is 1280x800 and in front of my nose
[11:27] <poje> gamm4knife: is it in the repos or do I need to google it?
[11:27] <Esteth> _Chap_: i dont understand
[11:27] <Enselic__> Anyone know of a good guide of how to think when one is to run i386 apps on amd64?
[11:27] <_Chap_> xserv wont run - no screen - is the exact error!
[11:27] <eck> kahrytan: that would be nice -- they're redhat boxes, but the big internet company i work at doesn't even use rpm -- they invented their own package management system 10 years ago and it is now forced upon everyone in the company
[11:27] <odat> i can not find a solution to the nvidia kernel api mismatch
[11:27] <PuRu> my tv-out problem = solved :-)
[11:28] <Enselic__> _Chap_: do you have a screen entry in xorg.conf?
[11:28] <PuRu> but now every new window opens on my tv instead of my primary screen
[11:28] <gamm4knife> poje it's in the repos
[11:28] <eck> it would be nice to have some sanity :-)
[11:28] <poje> Esteth: google should help you out, it's not a trivial process if I remember
[11:28] <kahrytan> eck: It sounds like fun
[11:28] <Esteth> _Chap_: just finding the command for you, just a sec, we'll regenerate your xorg.conf
[11:28] <PuRu> anyone got ideas to fix that?
[11:28] <poje> eck: holy crap, that is insane
[11:28] <_Chap_> what driver do i put in xorg.conf ?!
[11:28] <eck> poje: i know
[11:28] <Enselic__> _Chap_: no driver, a Screen entry
[11:28] <_Chap_> i have a generic line for the screen ..
[11:28] <_Chap_> u mean screen 0?
[11:28] <_Chap_> tried it
[11:28] <poje> eck: and I thought it was painful using the autobuild system for making deb packages at work
[11:28] <Enselic__> _Chap_: is the screen included in ServerLayout?
[11:28] <poje> Well, painful at first learning how everything worked
[11:29] <PuRu> _Chap, trying to install nvidia drivers by any chane?
[11:29] <eck> poje: they invented it when bsd didn't have good package management, and now that linux systems are in place too they made it into a "unified" package management solution
[11:29] <_Chap_> im on ATI Radeon Mobility X1300 - what are these suggestions ?!
[11:30] <Esteth> _Chap_: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:30] <MSTK> eck - I never got past that one problem from earlier.  When you enter a GDK environment via CTRL+ALT+F1 - F6, what is that called?  And how do you exit from it?  ALT+F7 didn't work on Edgy for me.  It half-way worked (it edited the GDK, but didn't return fully to the gnome desktop environment)
[11:30] <odat> i can not find a solution to the nvidia kernel api mismatch
[11:30] <markvandenborre> Gunirus, ping
[11:30] <Esteth> that'll give you a new xorg.conf and backup your old one for you
[11:30] <berent> MSTK :whats GDK?
[11:30] <_Chap_> what driver module do i use (vesa doesnt work) neither does 'ati' or 'radeon'
[11:30] <Esteth> _Chap_ you need to try fglrx then
[11:30] <PuRu> _Chap_, sorry i dunno anything about ATI, thought i had the same error, thats why i asked
[11:31] <Esteth> they need to be installed
[11:31] <_Chap_> kool - thats a suggestion...
[11:31] <kahrytan> mtsk: Ever heard of bug 3788 ?
[11:31] <MSTK> I don't know exactly what it's called, and that's my problem.  It's just what happens when you press CTRL+ALT+f1 through f6.  and I don't know how to exit from it aside from rebooting.
[11:31] <eck> MSTK: the first part is called a virtual terminal/linux console. you should be able to get back into X11 with alt + f7 (or alt + f8 if X11 is running on another console). if you can't switch with the ctrl+alt+f* commands you can use switchvt
[11:31] <poje> eck: wait, I thought deb and rpm were around by then (in a stable form)
[11:31] <_Chap_> can u msg me the apt-get for it..
[11:31] <Esteth> _Chap_ mind pasting your xorg.conf into the pastebin and linking it for me?
[11:31] <PuRu> anyone got ideas on this? all my new windows open on my tv instead of my monitor
[11:31] <loco_aullador> what is the best firewall for linux? i know i know..linux doenst need firewall but i want it anyway
[11:31] <_Chap_> u press ctrl+alt+F7 and ur back !
[11:31] <kahrytan> loco_aullador: Firestarter
[11:31] <MSTK> ah, thanks.
[11:32] <poje> gamm4knife: my synaptic search didn't turn up anything that looked close enough, do you have a more precise name I could search with?
[11:32] <kahrytan> !info firestarter > loco_aullador
[11:32] <loco_aullador> kahrytan:  better than iptables?
[11:32] <_Chap_> imagine 5 monitors connected to ur system - but all the rest are amber terminals
[11:32] <eck> poje: the company started out freebsd only, and only moved to linux a few years ago. since everything internally is heavily modified for the old environment, they ported the package management/build system to linux
[11:32] <MSTK> well, my liveCD is burned
[11:32] <tarnap_> the kernel is not the problem ph8
[11:32] <gamm4knife> type it that way: startupmanager
[11:32] <MSTK> i'm going to reboot now and try to work things out.
[11:32] <abo> how can I configure apache to start automatically on boot?
[11:32] <kahrytan> loco_aullador: Firestarter configures iptables
[11:32] <tarnap_> it tries to get the root file system and it hangs
[11:32] <MSTK> If I don't make it back alive...thank you, eck and _chap_ and everyone else, for all of your help.
[11:32] <loco_aullador> kahrytan:  so its a gui for iptables?
[11:32] <Esteth> _Chap_: which card did you say you have?
[11:32] <PuRu> how can i get my windows to open on my monitor instead of my TV?
[11:32] <poje> eck: bleh, totally missed that part of your commentary - still crazy, but not as bad
[11:33] <tarnap_> oh... i got an error message =)
[11:33] <_Chap_> MSTK - take the plunge - its fun :)
[11:33] <kahrytan> loco_aullador: Guarddog and Kmyfirewall do the same functions. Firestarter is easier to use though
[11:33] <kust0m> PuRu: which is display 0? just a guess..
[11:33] <_Chap_> I have a HP laptop - with ATI Radeon Mobility X1300 (chip M52)
[11:33] <kahrytan> eck: What's this sysop abuse thing about?
[11:33] <lsproc354> im also getting wierd errors such as
[11:33] <lsproc354> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1440x900" (width too large for virtual size)
[11:33] <holycow> _Chap_, your doomed
[11:34] <ph8> strange
[11:34] <Esteth> _Chap_: the fglrx driver wont support that i'm afraid. pastebin your xorg.conf
[11:34] <loco_aullador> kahrytan:  ok thanx
[11:34] <ph8> tarnap_: is there a bug in launchpad for it?
[11:34] <ph8> sounds like a kernel problem.. ?
[11:34] <eck> kahrytan: what sysop abuse thing?
[11:34] <tarnap_> the problem is: it doesn't find the disk by uuid
[11:34] <_Chap_> my xorg.conf shows how to boot a WXGA+ screen into 8bit VGA
[11:34] <ph8> ah
[11:34] <ph8> that's a bit shit
[11:34] <kahrytan> eck: MTSK said something. about it
[11:34] <ph8> uuid was an awesome addition
[11:35] <_Chap_> i need some legacy drvr or what ?!
[11:35] <cox377_> anyone here run azureus and the web client?
[11:35] <cox377_> or have done under ubuntu?
[11:35] <_Chap_> dont tell me Im gonna deal with ndistwrapper even in 7.04?!
[11:35] <USMarine> i do
[11:35] <Esteth> _Chap_: there are only those drivers available
[11:35] <Ernz> Morning - Can someone please tell me where to find the folder that contains the theme's icons?
[11:35] <tarnap_> well... what can i do?
[11:35] <Esteth> _Chap_: ndiswrapper is only for wireless cards, afaik
[11:35] <tarnap_> the uuid is the same as in the 386 kernel
[11:36] <_Chap_> I was kidding the other wrapper for video is around and well too
[11:36] <tarnap_> i mean... in the menu.lst the uuid is the same for both kernels
[11:36] <southafrikanse> I want to install XGL. How to?
[11:36] <eck> kahrytan: i think poje (not mstk) was referring to the fact that most sysops are basically on call 24/7 and work long hours
[11:36] <PuRu> kust0m, thanx i didnt think of that (im kindof noob) i'll check it out
[11:36] <Esteth> _Chap_: can we see your entire xorg.conf please
[11:36] <USMarine> southafrikanse google is your friend
[11:36] <kahrytan> eck: Why the long hours?
[11:36] <zeroday> NsOmNiAc: did u get it working?
[11:37] <Ernz> I thought the icons would be saved in /usr/share/pixmaps - but they aren't any ideas anyone?
[11:37] <_Chap_> Est - how do i get it to u from a command line ?!
[11:37] <PuRu> but its twinview, not sure if its possible to change ID's
[11:37] <_Chap_> can i DCC it ?
[11:37] <zeroday> emz: /home/<username>/.icons
[11:37] <Nyit-Nyit> woui..
[11:37] <Esteth> _Chap_: ah. didnt think about that
[11:37] <Esteth> i'm not sure then :S
[11:37] <_Chap_> hello - and this is progress
[11:37] <Nyit-Nyit> can i speak?
[11:38] <Ernz> zeroday: DOH! Of course - where else? lol - Cheers
[11:38] <Esteth> _Chap_: can you dualboot into windows and grab it from there?
[11:38] <southafrikanse> USMarine: It's not that
[11:38] <zeroday> Ernz: no porb
[11:38] <_Chap_> so just pretend it was a perfectly generic vesa xorg.conf - now what do u suggest ?!
[11:38] <eck> kahrytan: a lot of things need to be done during hours when other people are (mostly) not in the office, and since most people don't understand what you do you always you too much on your plate
[11:38] <Vish> hi all
[11:38] <zeroday> hi
[11:38] <southafrikanse> USMarine: I opened Synaptic. But I don't know which packages to install
[11:39] <chillisoup> hey guys. is there a way to verify files copied with the cp command are bit perfect? I have a flakey USB port, just want to make sure what i copied is 100%
[11:39] <eck> chillisoup: use diff
[11:39] <USMarine> southafrikanse if you had read the guide
[11:39] <USMarine> you would know
[11:39] <Vish> can anyone help me with a partition problem im having? Pm me please. Thx
[11:39] <lsproc354> chillisoup: do md5 of all the files
[11:39] <Shin_Gouki> hello there i got prople, with installing feisty on a celeron 2,50 ghz 256 MB ram , 32 mb shared gfx Memory, the installation is soo slow and now installation seems to be hang up at partion programm... :/
[11:39] <zeroday> southafrikanse: whats wrong?
[11:39] <Esteth> _Chap_: if it was just the perfectly generic xorg.conf, id suggest trying a different distro tbh. if none of the 3 drivers are working, and nothing else is wrong, i can't see a fix
[11:39] <kahrytan> eck: I got some idea.
[11:39] <Bost> Hi everyone. do you know any program to edit mp3?
[11:39] <chillisoup> eck: I thought diff would only be useful with text files?
[11:39] <kust0m> Shin_Gouki: get more ram?
[11:40] <_Chap_> ok ...so 6.10?
[11:40] <Vish> im unsure on which partition to use and just need some help clarifying that
[11:40] <southafrikanse> I installed 3 packages from Synaptic to install XGL on Ubuntu
[11:40] <eck> chillisoup: no, if you compare non-text file it will just compare the files byte by byte and tell you whether or not they differ
[11:40] <chillisoup> lsproc354 - thanks for the tip, i'll see how i go with that.
[11:40] <lsproc354> :)
[11:40] <innu> SB LIVE 5.1! help needed : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=426195
[11:40] <iron_angel> Bost: edit in what sense? You could use mpg321 to convert back to wav then audacity to edit, I suppose.
[11:40] <klm_people> chilisoup: from the terminal: 'md5sum original-file', then compare with 'md5sum copied-file'
[11:40] <Toma-> Bost: Audacity
[11:40] <MSTK> eck - okay, I made it.
[11:40] <Shin_Gouki> is there a "Text" install modus on the 7.04 live CD? or do i need the alternative isntall CD for that?
[11:40] <Esteth> _Chap_: either try the liveCD for an older ubuntu distro, or try a different linux distro alltogether :S
[11:40] <kahrytan> eck: I can only imagine of the kind of situations you'd had to deal with. i bet it frustrates you sometimes.
[11:40] <MSTK> I'm chatting from Feisty.
[11:40] <MSTK> now I just need to tarball home, back it up, and reinstall
[11:40] <kust0m> Shin_Gouki: that's on the alternate cd.
[11:40] <southafrikanse> zeroday: I installed 3 packages from Synaptic to install XGL on Ubuntu. But I apparently don't see XGL
[11:40] <lsproc354> how can i get the proper widescreen 1440x900 on my acer 1916w, the resolution is not on the list of changable resolutions
[11:40] <eck> MSTK: cool
[11:41] <kust0m> lsproc354: i have the same monitor..and the same issue.
[11:41] <zeroday> southafrikanse: XGL? u mean beryl rite?
[11:41] <Shin_Gouki> @kust0m upgrading hardware is not an option.... if so i could get vista .. _-
[11:41] <eck> kahrytan: not so much for me, but it seems that way for my boss :-\
[11:41] <MSTK> eck - erm, wait.  How do I access my old harddrive via this?
[11:41] <southafrikanse> zeroday: No
[11:41] <zeroday> southafrikanse: or accelerated #d
[11:41] <kust0m> Shin_Gouki: try the text install.
[11:41] <MSTK> I seem to only be able to access the CD's file directory
[11:41] <zeroday> *3d
[11:41] <_Chap_> this HP became corrupt - im fixin it for a frnd - who naturally bought it for cash...due tom. morn
[11:41] <Shin_Gouki> @kust0m so i just wadted a compleme cd for this?
[11:41] <southafrikanse> zeroday: I have already installed Beryl. Now I want XGL as well
[11:41] <lsproc354> kust0m: any idea
[11:41] <kahrytan> eck: It'll be you if you get a promotion I guess.
[11:41] <eck> MSTK: do you know the device/partition?
[11:41] <_Chap_> ok - how can i get 1024 or 1280 4:3 goin?!
[11:42] <MSTK> it's just a plain internal hard drive
[11:42] <kust0m> Shin_Gouki: eh..well..depends. if the text install works, then yes?
[11:42] <zeroday> southafrikanse: sorry i dont understand what you mean by xgl gimme a min
[11:42] <stonehenge> Does anyone here know how to make gaim stop this "waiting for network connection" thing. On my desktop I have trouble with network-manager and USB. I don't need NM so I disablet it, still Gaim uses NM for connection.
[11:42] <_Chap_> wont the thing just stretch it and deal
[11:42] <eck> kahrytan: yeah, after i graudate i need to find a job, probably SA work
[11:42] <Shin_Gouki> @kust0m so i read something about putting the ubuntu iso to a usb stick , i have a 2 gb stick, u think thats worth a try?
[11:42] <Syn`> Where can I download ubuntu
[11:42] <lsproc354> Syn` ubuntu.com
[11:42] <Shin_Gouki> @kust0m i dotn want to waste another CD if its not working...
[11:42] <kust0m> Shin_Gouki: can't weigh in on that one. never tried it.
[11:42] <MSTK> Syn` - http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/
[11:42] <eck> MSTK: try fdisk -l /dev/sda
[11:42] <eck> if not that then sdb
[11:43] <chillisoup> eck: cheers, diff seems to be working... its 13gb on an external USB drive, so it'll be a while... so i'll just sit back and hope it works ;)
[11:43] <_Chap_> is xbuntu and kubuntu an otion - or its the same stuff underneath
[11:43] <lsproc354> _Chap_: same core, different desktop
[11:43] <zeroday> southafrikanse: sorry cant help you
[11:43] <MSTK> eck - "cannot open /dev/sda" or sdb.
[11:43] <kahrytan> !feisty | syn`
[11:44] <ubotu> syn`: Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - For BitTorrent downloads, see !Torrents
[11:44] <MSTK> wait
[11:44] <USMarine> _Chap_ kubuntu: same core, improved desktop
[11:44] <MSTK> nvm, i sudo'd.
[11:44] <southafrikanse> zeroday: Thank you for talking at least
[11:44] <klm_people> Shin_Gouki: I've encountered some system where the Live CD fails but the alternate works. Try the alternate CD.
[11:44] <_Chap_> so Xserv and the the like is the same - its just the last gui layer gnome , Xfce - all run on it
[11:44] <doomster> on a text terminal, when I press ctrl-alt-del, it reboots - how can I change that to poweroff?
[11:44] <zeroday> !xgl
[11:44] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:44] <berent> mwe?
[11:44] <eck> chillisoup: you might want to make sure your memory usage is ok, if its in binary mode it will be fine but apparently if it is in text mode it will try to copy the whole diff thing into a single memory buffer
[11:44] <Vish> can ubuntu be installed on a extended partition where xp has been installed already?
[11:44] <poje> gamm4knife: thanks for the info, dunno how I missed it in my forum searches
[11:44] <berent> !mdadm
[11:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdadm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:44] <eck> MSTK: does /dev/sda look like your drive?
[11:44] <zeroday> !xgl > southafrikanse (see pm fffffffffrom ubotu)
[11:44] <klm_people> Shin_Gouki: in fact, on all systems that I encountered where the Live CD fails, the alternate always works
[11:44] <USMarine> Vish no
[11:44] <poje> eck: ascii/binary can affect line endings as well
[11:44] <PuRu> lol it works now :-)
[11:44] <USMarine> the /boot must be primary
[11:45] <PuRu> solution was to express the relation different
[11:45] <Shin_Gouki> @klm_people thx for info!
[11:45] <linuxlingam> how do i play a .mov file under dapper. have system updated dapper; successfully installed and run medibuntu packages and checked restricted formats; have successfully tested wma, mp3, ogg, and wma, and mpeg2. don't wanna install quicktime over wine. any help will be much appreicated
[11:45] <chillisoup> eck: ah. interesting. well, memory usage is normal at the moment.   so, fingers crossed i guess! :)
[11:45] <MSTK> eck - I have two hard drives - the one that came with the computer and has Windows, the other is smaller and has Ubuntu.  There are two devices listed on the terminal: /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2
[11:45] <Syn`> #
[11:45] <Syn`> Ubuntu - mit GNOME, gilt fr 7.04 Feisty Fawn
[11:45] <Syn`> #
[11:45] <Syn`> Ubuntu - mit GNOME, gilt fr 6.06 Dapper Drake und 6.10 Edgy Eft
[11:45] <Shin_Gouki> @klm_people u think ubuntu is too big for celeron 2,5 + 256 mb ram and 32 of it for shard gfx? should i try xunubunt?
[11:45] <PuRu> instead of "CRT-0 RightOf TV-0" its now "TV-0 LeftOf CRT-0"
[11:45] <eck> MSTK: create a mount poing (e.g. "mkdir /mnt/ubuntu") and then mount the correct device at the mountpoint, e.g. "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ubuntu"
[11:45] <Syn`> dapper drake oder feisy fawn??
[11:46] <Syn`> or*
[11:46] <poje> linuxlingam: I thought mov was in the restrictedformat codec pkgs
[11:46] <eck> you probably need to sudo both of them
[11:46] <iron_angel> linuxlingam: ack, wish I knew offhand! In gentoo I'd install the 'win32codecs' package, but I don't recall the right way to do it for ubuntu!
[11:46] <berent> someone can you tell me about raid arrays
[11:46] <berent> someone can you tell me about raid arrays and mdam
[11:46] <linuxlingam> iron_angel: have installd win32codecs
[11:46] <berent> someone can you tell me about raid arrays and mdadm
[11:46] <kahrytan> !mediabuntu
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <iron_angel> ack :(
[11:46] <kust0m> !medibuntu
[11:46] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[11:46] <_Chap_> i had 6.06 on pIII 1GHz and AMD k6 with about 256 ... if u have agp video it might pull on the intel
[11:46] <iron_angel> berent: what do ya want to know?
[11:46] <kust0m> :P
[11:47] <MSTK> eck - now what does that do, exactly?
[11:47] <cycom> how do I change versions of java?
[11:47] <Shin_Gouki> install the correct one?
[11:47] <doomster> berent: RAID array is like LCD display.
[11:47] <cycom> like I have 1.6 but I need 1.5
[11:47] <cycom> both are installed
[11:47] <Shin_Gouki> hm path
[11:47] <poje> linuxlingam: point me to a web .mov file and I'll check it out
[11:47] <eck> MSTK: you're creating a directory and then mounting the root of the ubuntu filesystem at a node in the CD filesystem's tree
[11:47] <kahrytan> kust0m: thanks
[11:47] <_Chap_> but with screen res turned down a bit - or xbuntu - its just fine
[11:47] <klm_people> Shin_Gouki: ubuntu will run OK. I'm using Dapper 6.06 on Pentium 3, 256 MB memory (shared for video RAM). But Xubuntu should be noticably faster (though I never tried it)
[11:48] <kust0m> kahrytan: welcome.
[11:48] <Shin_Gouki> i thin there a env variavle which points to the java version used by system
[11:48] <eck> MSTK: so afterwards if you ls -l /mnt/ubuntu you'll see the contents from the drive
[11:48] <poje> klm_people: I use 7.04 on a 500mhz/192MB laptop :D
[11:48] <MSTK> my entire old drive.
[11:48] <Shin_Gouki> with gnome?
[11:48] <kahrytan> klm_people: You got a graphics card?
[11:48] <Shin_Gouki> poje with gnome?
[11:48] <eck> well, the partition you mounted
[11:48] <berent> iron_angel , doomster: while upgrading to feisty there was an option for configuring starting arrays of raid. i don;t have any raid parititions but gave all in that option as it was default .Now i am unable to find initrd image to boot it. HOw do i change that configuration of mdadm
[11:49] <_Chap_> must have a great video card - like ATI... mother $#%#$@
[11:49] <MSTK> eh, I think I mounted the wrong drive.
[11:49] <MSTK> it seems to be my windows hd.
[11:49] <poje> Shin_Gouki: I can, but since I use firefox a lot it's just easier to use XKCE and have more tabs before it starts paging everything out to swap
[11:49] <tsactuo> Anyone knows how can I use wireless network with static IP instead of DCHP and with WPA key?
[11:49] <poje> *XFCE
[11:49] <klm_people> kahrytan: no graphic card. It's a VIA chipset that eats memory from the RAM
[11:49] <eck> MSTK: umount /mnt/ubuntu and then try again
[11:49] <eck> (again with sudo)
[11:49] <kust0m> poje: i bet that runs .. not so swift?
[11:49] <poje> MSTK: woot woot, that's always fun
[11:49] <MSTK> yeah, I've gotten accustomed to sudo now.
[11:49] <eck> you might just want to sudo -i since everything will be with sudo
[11:50] <kahrytan> klm_people: Get a graphics card. and turn off onboard video.
[11:50] <Madeye> guys, is there anyway to install feisty in text mode ?
[11:50] <Shin_Gouki> thx all for help i will try downloading the xubuntu alternative install cd!! thx!
[11:50] <_Chap_> ok - how does anyone with a laptop screen deal ?!
[11:50] <MSTK> poje - hey, if it's another chance to look like a 1337 ha><0rz, I'm down with it.
[11:50] <poje> kust0m: it runs - even gnome, just a little slow
[11:50] <doomster> berent: I don't care. I just couldn't resist pointing out that the A in RAID already stands for "array". (c:
[11:50] <_Chap_> that might be a nice clue for me ..
[11:50] <iron_angel> berent: ack, not sure offhand there.
[11:50] <poje> kust0m: I use XFCE nowadays to get the most tabs out of firefox before the paging starts thrashing (and zero cache)
[11:51] <eck> poje: is the xfce WM tabbed?
[11:51] <berent> anyone : while upgrading to feisty there was an option for configuring starting arrays of raid. i don;t have any raid parititions but gave all in that option as it was default .Now i am unable to find initrd image to boot it. HOw do i change that configuration of mdadm
[11:51] <_Chap_> i even tried that option (available with Radeon) LTVS or sometin - nada!
[11:51] <poje> It's so, SO nice to be pack on my 3.0ghz/1GB desktop for a while
[11:51] <poje> eck: indeed it is
[11:51] <klm_people> kahrytan: oops sorry, this machine got 512 MB RAM. 256 MB is the other pentium 2 machine (also running ubuntu)
[11:51] <poje> eck: I'm not sure what it lacks, honestly
[11:51] <Gnea> hi all, is there some sort of vimtutor for ubuntu?
[11:51] <kust0m> poje: i had a duron 800 lappy with like 384mb after upgrading..i slapped xubuntu on it and then switched to fluxbox.
[11:51] <lsproc354> kust0m: are you using the binary nvidia driver atm?
[11:51] <eck> poje: is it the same as fluxbox, where you drag the windows with middle click to tab them?
[11:51] <_Chap_> i just want to setup the screen so it exists
[11:51] <poje> Gnea: when you start up vim it tells you how to run the tutorial
[11:52] <klm_people> kahrytan: naaaah, this is just a spare old machine. my main one got a GeForce 5200 card (though currently not running ubuntu :) )
[11:52] <Gnea> poje: oh yeah? that's funny.
[11:52] <kust0m> lsproc354: eh.. i'm actually on a freebsd box at work right now. it was the restricted driver tha came with feisty.
[11:52] <MSTK> eck - that's odd.  /dev/sda1 isn't my ubuntu drive either.
[11:52] <MSTK> could it possibly be in sdb's?
[11:52] <lsproc354> kust0m: so it isnt working with the binary one
[11:52] <Gnea> poje: i just had someone in #debian who turned out to be using ubuntu and he couldn't run vimtutor and apparantly missed the bit about running the help at the beginning.
[11:52] <kahrytan> klm_people: That card works well in Ubuntu :-P I know.
[11:52] <eck> MSTK: from the fdisk -l you should be able to recognize what drive it is
[11:52] <kust0m> MSTK: sdX is usually a usb drive. or scsi.
[11:53] <aozaki> Bonjour tout le monde ! ^^
[11:53] <eck> kust0m: since edgy pata drives are exposed as scsi, so basically everything is sd*
[11:53] <berent> anyone : can anyone give their feisty config-<IP_ADDRESS> file urgently
[11:53] <Seveas> eck, since feisty :)
[11:53] <MSTK> there were only two drives under fdisk -l /dev/sda
[11:53] <_Chap_> is there sometin that just maps screens - or a laptop-video toolset ?!
[11:53] <kust0m> lsproc354: if the "restricted" driver is the binarty driver..then yes. i can't say i've put much effort into fixing it.
[11:53] <tsactuo> Anyone knows how can I use wireless network with static IP instead of DCHP and with WPA key? (The WPA option is not available when not using roaming mode)
[11:53] <Seveas> berent, it's in /boot/ on your system :)
[11:53] <kust0m> eck: i was unaware of that.
[11:53] <poje> Gnea: on second thought, I'm having trouble finding it - I think something's missing
[11:53] <lsproc354> kust0m: ok, thanks
[11:53] <berent> Seveas : boss its not there thats why i am asking
[11:54] <Gnea> poje: i'll boot up my ubuntu disk right now and see.
[11:54] <eck> Seveas: ah, i was just going off the wiki
[11:54] <_Chap_> wait a sec. it was just here ?!
[11:54] <MSTK> hm, I found my external usb harddrive.
[11:54] <klm_people> kahrytan: not going to install ubuntu on that machine for a while. I'm doing my final computer science project on WinXP and want to get the job done first. After that I'll zap the XP and install Ubuntu.
[11:54] <poje> Gnea: I could have sworn there's a walkthrough, and :help is saying help.txt is missing so it might be an Ubuntu mishap
[11:54] <_Chap_> ill find anyones drive if u find my screen
[11:54] <Seveas> berent, are you on dapper?
[11:54] <MSTK> this is becoming quite the sport.
[11:54] <berent> Seveas : i am on edgy and upgrading to feisty
[11:54] <linuxlingam> i just checked. w32codecs are installed in dapper. and i do have quicktime files installed specifically in /usr/lib/codecs/ and even then i can't play this .mov file. what do i do next?
[11:54] <_Chap_> im on my 3rd cramp
[11:55] <Seveas> berent, that kernel is niether part of edgy nor part of feisty
[11:55] <eck> MSTK: are you sure you unmounted the windows partition correctly? you can see the current mounts by just running "mount"
[11:55] <Seveas> berent, make sure you install the linux-generic package
[11:55] <klm_people> linuxlingam: try to install vlc media player
[11:55] <kahrytan> klm_people: You could take hard drive with Ubuntu on it. and put in your main computer.  You'll have to alter grub to be able to boot WinXP and Ubuntu.
[11:55] <loco_aullador> anyone knows the format of the rulesets in iptables?
[11:55] <berent> anyone : 2.6.20-15-386 is feisty
[11:55] <berent> Seveas : 2.6.20-15-386 is feisty
[11:55] <Seveas> berent, http://seveas.demon.nl/config-2.6.20-15-generic <-- kernel config for feisty
[11:55] <kahrytan> klm_people: I dual boot with two hard drives.
[11:55] <linuxlingam> klm_people: i have vlc installed too
[11:56] <Seveas> berent, you said <IP_ADDRESS> before :)
[11:56] <MSTK> eck - yeah, I have three hard drives though.  It's all layed out clearly under System -> Administration -> GNOME partition manager
[11:56] <_Chap_> do u keep spare jumpers under ur pillow too?1
[11:56] <linuxlingam> i have vlc, xine, totem, ogle installed
[11:56] <MSTK> sda = windows, sdb = linux, sdc = external usb
[11:56] <klm_people> linuxlingam: have you tried opening the mov file using vlc media player instead from totem?
[11:56] <berent> Seveas : generic will it work for 386
[11:56] <linuxlingam> and everything else works, included DVD, mp3, ogg, mmv, etc
[11:57] <Seveas> berent, are you on a real 386 or on a pentium/amd?
[11:57] <aozaki> heu, petite question : Vous utiliser comme logiciel pour votre music ? enfin, pour la bibliothqie ! Rhythmbox ? Car ... heu .. je le trouve pas trs beau et intuitif compar  windows Media Player sous windows, il y a moyen de le personaliser ?
[11:57] <_Chap_> Ill admit it - mine are in an empty film case (along with plenty of nuts)
[11:57] <berent> Seveas : pentium
[11:57] <klm_people> kahrytan: too much hassle... Even if I install Ubuntu now on that machine, I'll never boot to it because I'm doing my final project on XP...
[11:57] <linuxlingam> klm_people: just doublechecked in vlc, nah! it does not work in it either
[11:57] <Seveas> berent, thn it'll work fine
[11:57] <SecrethX> I keep getting this xsession error, and when I press OK, my x will restart and reprocude the error. Someone knows a way out? :S
[11:57] <MSTK> wow, eck.  I have it.  I did it.
[11:57] <MSTK> It's mounted.
[11:58] <MSTK> I browsed to my home folder.  Now what?
[11:58] <eck> MSTK: good :-) now you do the same for the external
[11:58] <|ElllisD|> on the feisty dvd whats the difference between the "for manufacturers" & normal text mode install methods? Also, I read that the dvd has all flavors, g,k,x,edu- but the default install method only gave me a gnome session option from w/in gdm- whats the deal w/ that?
[11:58] <kahrytan> klm_people: Do it when done then. WinXp comes in handy sometimes.
[11:58] <eck> mount it at /mnt/external or something like that
[11:58] <Ronan> aozaki -> try Amarok
[11:58] <MSTK> I don't need to mount my external.
[11:58] <MSTK> it's like my windows hd.  they're both unscathed.
[11:58] <eck> aren't you backing up?
[11:58] <Gnea> is there a bot in here that has simple help answers?
[11:58] <MSTK> I can backup my /home into my external.
[11:58] <aozaki> Ronan, Amarok ? hum .. ok, je vais voir ca ^^ Merci ^^
[11:58] <MSTK> my external harddrive is basically a giant USB drive
[11:58] <kahrytan> Gnea: Yes, somewhat. Gotta know the commands. :-P
[11:59] <MSTK> it's not a part of any one system or the other.
[11:59] <SecrethX> I keep getting this xsession error, and when I press OK, my x will restart and reprocude the error. Someone knows a way out? :S
[11:59] <poje> can anyone else confirm that typing :help in vim on feisty throws an error?
[11:59] <eck> you'll need to mount the external drive to back up to it (unless it was automounted)
[11:59] <Gnea> kahrytan: ok, well that's not difficult, what's the bot's name?
[11:59] <linuxlingam> .mov file not working under xine either
[11:59] <linuxlingam> or totem
[11:59] <klm_people> kahrytan: For sure I'll install ubuntu when it's done :).
[11:59] <|ElllisD|> Gnea: Ubotu i think
[11:59] <Ronan> de rien aozaki :)
[11:59] <IntangibleLiquid> what is the best torrent client for Ubuntu in your opinion?
[11:59] <kahrytan> !feisty | gnea
[11:59] <ubotu> gnea: Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - For BitTorrent downloads, see !Torrents
[11:59] <klm_people> !japanese
[11:59] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp
[11:59] <klm_people> !japanese-input
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about japanese-input - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <MSTK> why would I need to back it up?  It's completely fine as it is.  It won't be effected by anything I do to Ubuntu.  Especially if I simply just unplug it.
[12:00] <eck> IntangibleLiquid: surely it must be rtorrent
[12:00] <Gnea> !stable
[12:00] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[12:00] <klm_people> !japanese-howto
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about japanese-howto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <|ElllisD|> ! text-mode for manufacturers
[12:00] <kahrytan> Don't abuse it.
[12:00] <Gnea> ok, that didn't tell me the latest stable version of ubuntu
[12:00] <IntangibleLiquid> eck: never heard of it ^ ^
[12:00] <Gnea> i just used it once
[12:00] <_Chap_> so is 6.10 more robust in terms of drivrs - or 7.04 has all those and then some ?!
[12:00] <kahrytan> ubotu reponse to commands on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <eck> IntangibleLiquid: it's curses, so you have to be into the cli thing to appreciate it
[12:00] <_Chap_> i want one live CD that works!
[12:00] <poje> _Chap_: 7.04 is better imo
[12:00] <MSTK> poje - yeah, :help is throwing an error for me, too.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> _Chap_: 7.04 has more driverse, etc.  should be more stable
[12:00] <aozaki> Ronan, Amarok est pour KDE, je peux quand mme le prendre sous gnome  ?enfin, il fonctionera  peu prs normalement quand mme  ?
[12:00] <|ElllisD|> !text-mode
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about text-mode - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <_Chap_> 6.06 was so much fun ...
[12:01] <kust0m> _Chap_: I had better luck with direct rendering and such in 7.04
[12:01] <IntangibleLiquid> !torrent
[12:01] <poje> MSTK: roger, I'll write up a bug then
[12:01] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[12:01] <eck> MSTK: i thought you were backing up your files to the external drive? in that case it needs to be mounted so you can create files on it
[12:01] <_Chap_> untill bluetoth - and web cam ...
[12:01] <Seveas> !fr | aozaki
[12:01] <berent> !pastebin
[12:01] <ubotu> aozaki: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:01] <|ElllisD|> !installer
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <kust0m> holy scrolling channel.
[12:01] <SecrethX> Whats the next name of ubuntu gonna be like?
[12:01] <kust0m> gutsy gibbon
[12:01] <IntangibleLiquid> how about BitTornado?
[12:01] <|ElllisD|> kust0m: yup
[12:01] <kahrytan> |ElllisD| Stop that
[12:01] <kust0m> i think
[12:01] <Seveas> !gutsy | SecrethX
[12:01] <ubotu> SecrethX: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[12:01] <MSTK> eck - oh.  Why can't I just tarball /home and then copy it to external?  then reinstall ubuntu, then extract it back?
[12:01] <_Chap_> ok so what does one do when  the xserv-log says - no screen?!
[12:01] <Ronan> oui oui pas de probleme aozaki
[12:01] <berent> Seveas : if i execute mkinitrd it says http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18223/
[12:01] <|ElllisD|> kahrytan: what?
[12:02] <aozaki> ho ? Sorry, I've forgotten to write "-fr" at the end, Sorry !
[12:02] <eck> MSTK: where are you going to create the tarball?
[12:02] <Seveas> berent, mkinitrd is obsolete, ubuntu uses initramfs
[12:02] <kahrytan> |ElllisD|: Read http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi.
[12:02] <|ElllisD|> kahrytan: o, sorry- ty
[12:02] <eck> MSTK: it's faster to create it directly on the external drive anyway, since you skip the copy step
[12:02] <Gnea> sweet, 6.01 booted up just fine off of this usb cdrom
[12:02] <Seveas> berent, and you shouldn't do it manually. The kernel packages do it for you
[12:02] <NsOmNiAc> w00t
[12:02] <_Chap_> i did get wireless up - by fooling with the upper section of network manager in 8-bit video - and counting tabs till i knew i was on OK
[12:02] <NsOmNiAc> ok
[12:02] <NsOmNiAc> moved back to Debian
[12:02] <NsOmNiAc> and everything works fine
[12:02] <MSTK> eck - ah.  do I need to mount it to do that?  because it's already active right now.  It's an icon on the desktop.
[12:03] <manurespreader> hi how to install .sh files?
[12:03] <gamm4knife> aozaki: oui Amarok fonctionnera sous gnome
[12:03] <berent> Seveas : if i dpkg --configure -a it says http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18224/
[12:03] <Gnea> manurespreader: sh ./file.sh
[12:03] <eck> MSTK: if you create it on the live cd system you won't have enough ram, if you create it on the ubuntu partition it will be twice as slow since you're reading and writing to the same drive
[12:03] <manurespreader> thanks
[12:03] <MSTK> I don't have any partitions set up.
[12:03] <eck> MSTK: just run "mount" to see where it is mounted
[12:03] <MSTK> ah, okay.
[12:03] <_Chap_> does vesa support widescreen modes?!
[12:03] <IntangibleLiquid> eck: that's a text-based client?
[12:03] <eck> IntangibleLiquid: yes
[12:03] <kahrytan> manurespreader: Read the script before running it. And make sure it is safe
[12:03] <eck> IntangibleLiquid: nice for running in screen sessions
[12:04] <MSTK> eck: /dev/sdc1 on /media/EXTERNAL type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=999,gid=999,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[12:04] <berent> Seveas : I dont have any mdadm arrays why is it doing all these rubbish?
[12:04] <IntangibleLiquid> eck: how about a GUI one?
[12:04] <tsactuo> Anyone knows how can I use wireless network with static IP instead of DCHP and with WPA key? (The WPA option is not available when not using roaming mode)
[12:04] <eck> MSTK: so your tar command will be like: tar -xvzpf /mnt/EXTERNAL/home.tar.gz -C /mnt/ubuntu/home your_username_goes_here
[12:04] <kahrytan> !wifi | tsactuo
[12:04] <ubotu> tsactuo: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:04] <_Chap_> ok - think ill Gopher around for some other sad widescreen owners
[12:04] <eck> err, -c, not -x
[12:05] <tsactuo> !wifi
[12:05] <eck> IntangibleLiquid: i don't really use one, if I did i guess i would just use azureus
[12:05] <eck> IntangibleLiquid: supposedly deluge and ktorrent are both pretty unstable
[12:05] <IntangibleLiquid> eck: it's slow in my comp.
[12:05] <Joenin> sup
[12:05] <MSTK> "tar -cvzpf /mnt/EXTERNAL/home.tar.gz -C /mnt/ubuntu/home your_username_goes_here" then?
[12:06] <eck> yeah, replace the last part though ;-)
[12:06] <Xera> Anybody had any luck setting up a speedtouch 330 usb modem in 7.04?
[12:06] <MSTK> hah, of course.
[12:06] <berent> Seveas : r u there with me
[12:06] <SecrethX> I keep getting this xsession error, and when I press OK, my x will restart and reprocude the error. Someone knows a way out? :S (im now upgrading to gutsy, see if that fixes it)
[12:07] <eck> MSTK: it will take a while to run and tar will just be silent, so be patient
[12:07] <MSTK> eck - it returns "tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive"
[12:07] <innu> SB LIVE 5.1! help needed : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=426195
[12:07] <kust0m> SecrethX: oh yeah?
[12:07] <eck> MSTK: what is the output of ls -l /mnt/ubuntu/home
[12:07] <Joenin> dunno
[12:07] <_Chap_> help - how about generic laptop screen setup ?!
[12:07] <MSTK> eck - you mean  ls -l /mnt/ubuntu/home/myname/ , right?
[12:08] <eck> no
[12:08] <Jowi> hello everyone
[12:08] <Xera> Can you see my messages? I got an error saying I've got to auth..?
[12:08] <eck> well, do you see your username?
[12:08] <gamm4knife> hi
[12:08] <MSTK> yeah, it's mounted properly.
[12:08] <kust0m> Xera: yeah, we can see them.
[12:08] <_Chap_> i know they are nick-fascists at freenode
[12:08] <eck> MSTK: the problem is that tar isn't seeing /mnt/ubuntu/home/yourname
[12:08] <SecrethX> yea
[12:08] <SecrethX> nvm
[12:08] <eck> that's why the archive would be empty
[12:08] <Xera> kust0m, ok
[12:08] <SecrethX> my girl is here
[12:08] <SecrethX> bye
[12:09] <MSTK> yet, /mnt/ubuntu/home/myname/ returns a full dir.
[12:09] <kust0m> time to see if the data centers are on fire. bbiab.
[12:09] <_Chap_> another hapy customer - in with the girl - out with the buntu
[12:09] <eck> MSTK: ok, enough with the fancy tricks, just do: sudo tar -cvpzf /mnt/EXTERNAL/home.tar.gz /mnt/ubuntu/home
[12:10] <berent> Seveas : r u there with me
[12:10] <berent> Seveas : r u there with someone else
[12:10] <loco_aullador> anyone knows the format of the rulesets in iptables?
[12:10] <_Chap_> is there a place where solid xserv.confs get honored - like Xserv hall of fame ?
[12:10] <MSTK> ah, here's the problem.  the drive was automounted to /media/EXTERNAL , not /mnt
[12:11] <eck> loco_aullador: this howto is good: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/
[12:11] <MSTK> eck - okay, after chaning /mnt/ to /media/, it's working now.
[12:11] <MSTK> meanwhile I shall go deleting some system folders.
[12:12] <eck> MSTK: cool. the -C stuff was just chaning the directory so the tarball would be rooted at a sane place, but if you omitted it it's ok too
[12:12] <erhapp> hello
[12:12] <_Chap_> shouldnt there be a bios aproach to forcing ur widescreen down or strech to 4:3
[12:12] <MSTK> I guess that the -C wasn't the problem
[12:13] <MSTK> XD.
[12:13] <MSTK> hm. /home/ seems a lot bigger once you include all of the hidden folders.
[12:13] <berent> Seveas : r u there with someone else
[12:13] <erhapp> My irda worked perfectly under edgy. Now, after switching to feisty the irda doesn't seem to work. Is there anybody who can help me getting this to work?
[12:13] <_Chap_> maybe i should flash the bios..- like dell suggested to me earlier this week - for a brand new system - tuns out certain optiplexes just dont get along with Norton Enterprise :)
[12:13] <MSTK> I should have deleted my multiple gigs of Trash.
[12:13] <MSTK> now they're all being copied.
[12:13] <beni> I'm trying to code shellscripts with #! /bin/sh , how can I use goto & labels? "label:" doesnt work and I have no idea why :(
[12:13] <poje> MSTK: yes...that would have been good
[12:13] <poje> beni: bash scripts?
[12:13] <beni> poje: yes
[12:13] <berent> brb
[12:13] <MSTK> You kind of forget that trash even exists in Ubuntu.  It's never mentioned.
[12:14] <MSTK> unlike recycle bin in Windows.
[12:14] <poje> MSTK: because gnome is weird (doesn't even have return to original location! wtf)
[12:14] <MSTK> ...wow, half of my harddrive is trash.
[12:14] <MSTK> I should have deleted it all before I tarballed it.
[12:14] <Hexan> MSTK you can put the trash onto desktop if you want
[12:14] <Hexan> or use it as an applet
[12:14] <beni> poje: Could you help me? :)
[12:14] <eck> poje: yeah, the gnome devs have some weird philosophy about the trash can that i don't understand
[12:15] <MSTK> Hexan - really?  I should do that.
[12:15] <poje> beni: bash scripting does not use gotos/labels, it isn't assembly programming ;)
[12:15] <MSTK> but it's sort of too late now.
[12:15] <poje> beni: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-8.html
[12:15] <erhapp> anybody here who knows how to use irda on feisty?
[12:15] <_Chap_> ok really - is anyone on a WIDESCREEN laptop right now ?!
[12:15] <poje> beni: also make sure you use TAB characters and not spaces
[12:15] <MSTK> wow, those deleted podcasts really take up a lot of space.
[12:15] <_Chap_> send me ur xserv.conf
[12:15] <eck> MSTK: you can ctrl-c the tar job, remove the partial tarball, remove the trash, and then redo it
[12:15] <beni> poje: why that? Are there No Labels possible?
[12:15] <ALL4N> _Chap_: does widescreen lcd desktop monitor count?
[12:15] <poje> MSTK: I would make a symlink on the desktop but there's that handy link right in the lower right corner so I don't bother
[12:16] <erhapp> _Chap_ I'm (Latitude D820)
[12:16] <kairu0> poje, could be worse: they could treat the trash can like in KDE
[12:16] <MSTK> I have an inkblot on my right eye and it always blocks that trash can icon.
[12:16] <_Chap_> ALL - thnx but prob less relevant
[12:16] <poje> beni: because it's not assembly - gotos are bad regardless
[12:16] <eck> poje: there's actually a gconf key that toggles the display of the trash on the desktop
[12:16] <MSTK> so an icon on the desktop would hel[p.
[12:16] <_Chap_> ok so erhapp how can i see ur thing
[12:16] <eck> not displaying it is an ubuntu thing
[12:16] <poje> eck: can it make a pretty link to my ~ instead of a symlink like I have now?
[12:17] <beni> poje: I need a function which is changing a "Global" variable (returning a string), and i found no way to achieve this. I think I got this.  sudo rm /media/EXTERNAL/home.tar.gz , right?
[12:17] <beni> poje: yes, and I know how functions work in bash scripts, but i see no way to return values to the main program
[12:17] <eck> MSTK: that's correct
[12:18] <_Chap_> erhappp - can u just drop it on me dcc ?
[12:18] <poje> beni: the func internals can modify globals
[12:18] <poje> eck: ahhhh you are awesome dude
[12:18] <MSTK> eck - someone told me as a rule of thumb that when using sudo rm it's handy to replace rm with ls at first to see what files they're actually affecting (esp. when using wildcards).
[12:18] <eck> poje: that's where all the best gnome settings are ;-)
[12:18] <poje> eck: :D
[12:18] <krasteff> beni, then use a second global and modify it :)
[12:19] <doomster> beni: it might be cleaner to call var=`function args` than assigning a global in teh function.
[12:19] <_Chap_> even handier is aliasing the two - so work goes fater
[12:19] <poje> lol, I looked at my response to beni and thought I'd dropped an f-bomb for a second
[12:19] <berent> back
[12:19] <berent> Seveas : r u there with someone else
[12:19] <eck> MSTK: you can also rm -i to make it interactive, but i am usually just lazy and accidentally delete stuff
[12:19] <beni> doomster: whaaaa yes thats it... hell I'm stupid x)
[12:19] <Horscht> !terminal
[12:19] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:19] <beni> poje: thanks a lot, too!
[12:19] <MSTK> okay, how do I show hidden files with ls?
[12:20] <poje> MSTK: yeah, the ls trick is nice
[12:20] <eck> ls -a
[12:20] <poje> MSTK: ls -la
[12:20] <nikin> cd lazarus-ide
[12:20] <MSTK> ah, thanks.
[12:20] <poje> Well, the l is optional
[12:20] <doomster> beni: you're welcome.
[12:20] <MSTK> wow, that's not even in the man ls.
[12:20] <beni> doomster:  :) thanks too
[12:20] <poje> MSTK: should be
[12:20] <poje> beni: np, I didn't do much
[12:20] <nikin> MSTK ls -a
[12:20] <MSTK> oh.
[12:20] <MSTK> my mind skipped over -a
[12:20] <MSTK> because it was the very first one on the list
[12:20] <_Chap_> erhappp - can u just /dcc send ur.xsrv.conf?
[12:20] <poje> MSTK: happens ;)
[12:21] <eck> MSTK: what about -A ;-)
[12:21] <poje> I also refine my answer to -A
[12:21] <poje> Grrr eck
[12:21] <nikin> MSTK: ls -alh is my way to list :P
[12:21] <poje> Why must you vex me so
[12:21] <eck> haha
[12:21] <eck> -A is too hard to type, requires a shift
[12:21] <poje> Not if you alias it
[12:21] <MSTK> hm.  What's the difference between all and almost-all?
[12:22] <eck> ooh, i never thought of that
[12:22] <poje> Although even when I have an la alias I never use it
[12:22] <nikin> eck : i like to see all... A is almost all or not?
[12:22] <poje> ls/ll only
[12:22] <eck> nikin: -A omits the . and ..
[12:22] <MSTK> ah.
[12:22] <_Chap_> someone elses screen is ALL good - mine is almost-all good
[12:22] <Xera> Anybody had any luck setting up a speedtouch 330 usb modem in 7.04? It works fine in Edgy, but I reinstalled with 7.04 last night and it stopped working :/
[12:22] <nikin> eck : its not worth the Shift effort :D
[12:22] <eck> i seriously can't wrap my mind about ll, i'm too used to ls -l
[12:22] <MSTK> I'm personally fond now of "ls -al | less"
[12:22] <poje> eck: man, I am the opposite
[12:22] <kust0m> eck: i'm the same way
[12:23] <poje> Weirdos
[12:23] <poje> Probably use emacs
[12:23] <poje> ;)
[12:23] <Xera> lol
[12:23] <MSTK> XD
[12:23] <kust0m> heh. pico/nano..
[12:23] <eck> heresy!
[12:23] <nikin> MSTK: get the linux cookbook for command line stuff
[12:23] <zaggynl> Why can't I record/playback with my audigy SE in Ubuntu, while I can in winxp?
[12:23] <kust0m> you should see what happens when i get my hands on vi..it's ugly.
[12:23] <MSTK> nikin - I shall.  That's going on my list.
[12:23] <poje> kust0m: those are great except the mess with line breakings too much for my liking
[12:24] <poje> kust0m: and they're not often installed by default on servs/old systems
[12:24] <_Chap_> ok im in vi with my xserv.conf....anyone helpin just cause i aint scared of :
[12:24] <MSTK> I spent today learning how to use vi/vim.  It caused my ubuntu to crash and corrupt and require reinstall, but it was worth it.
[12:24] <kust0m> poje: that they do..but i can't break myself into vi/vim
[12:24] <nikin> MSTK: if you will be here in 2 hours i can send you some books
[12:24] <poje> kust0m: clearly you don't have the requisite masochistic tendencies
[12:24] <eck> i have wasted so much brain space with dome vi tricks
[12:24] <Gnea> !vim
[12:24] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[12:24] <cox377_> i'm trying to set up mysql
[12:24] <cox377_> i run this command
[12:25] <cox377_> mysqladmin -uroot password 'new-password'
[12:25] <eck> i even wrote dome instead of dumb, see
[12:25] <Gnea> grrr
[12:25] <cox377_> and i ge this error
[12:25] <zeroday> !enter | cox377
[12:25] <kust0m> poje: i had a hard enough time getting used to freebsd..on 2000 servers.
[12:25] <poje> Vim is just an imperative when dealing with sysadmin
[12:25] <ubotu> cox377: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:25] <cox377_> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[12:25] <cox377_> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[12:25] <MSTK> nikin - I'll see if I am.
[12:25] <poje> Or rather, Vi
[12:25] <poje> I've been on systems lacking Vim
[12:25] <Gnea> poje: there's still no helpfiles or tutorials from the original
[12:25] <MSTK> wait, I'm having a bit of trouble here.
[12:25] <poje> ed or vi
[12:25] <poje> D;
[12:25] <MSTK> cd .Trash = "Permission denied"
[12:25] <nurdys> did  you   know a sofware about  voice
[12:25] <MSTK> sudo cd .Trash = "command not found"
[12:25] <Gnea> i just booted up 6.01 and looked
[12:25] <cox377_> does anyone know why this might me?
[12:25] <cox377_> be*
[12:25] <kust0m> poje: nor did i ever figure out how to use ed.
[12:25] <nikin> MSTK wich .Trash?
[12:25] <neoj> cox377_: try mysqladmin -u root -p password 'new-password'
[12:26] <poje> Gnea: cool - I filed a bug report, it's definitely an ubuntu problem
[12:26] <eck> yeah, you know you've been using vi too much when you can use ed without any difficulty
[12:26] <Xera> MSTK, su -c "cd .Trash"
[12:26] <krasteff> !code
[12:26] <poje> kust0m: ed is the source of all evil
[12:26] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[12:26] <Xera> or
[12:26] <Gnea> poje: already? dude, you rock :D
[12:26] <Xera> su && cd .Trash
[12:26] <eck> all the : commands in vi are really ed commands
[12:26] <kust0m> poje: last time i tried to open a file, it listed the length in bytes..and that was it..
[12:26] <_Chap_> wow - i almost wrote somethin lovy-duby about vi - ive been up too long
[12:26] <Xera> o.O
[12:26] <MSTK> Xera - would the latter leave me still in superuser after the next command?
[12:26] <Gnea> i'm gonna snag 7.04 and try that one out too
[12:26] <Gnea> poje: you've inspired me
[12:27] <_Chap_> its like an old gal who can get the job done anywhere and quick
[12:27] <loldesu> i can't install ubuntu :\ when i select load live CD it loads the bar to about the end, then goes into the console with some squashfs errors and finally I get 'permission denied' about 8 times. I have checked the CD for defects, and it works on my other PC just fine
[12:27] <poje> kust0m: help ? exit ? blsadkdjsfkdsaf ? killmenow ?
[12:27] <jmoro> im on 7.04
[12:27] <Xera> MSTK, yes, use "exit" to go back to your normal user
[12:27] <cox377_> neoj: it seems to have added a password, but i still keep getting this msg
[12:27] <cox377_> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[12:27] <Gnea> loldesu: what version?
[12:27] <loldesu> 7.04
[12:27] <Gnea> loldesu: have you tried 6.01?
[12:27] <loldesu> no, should I?
[12:27] <linuxlingam> sigh! am installing wine, then will install apple quicktime player over wine, and hope to get that horrid .mov file working... :-(
[12:27] <Gnea> i would
[12:27] <loldesu> why's that?
[12:28] <MSTK> wait, what's the root password on the Live CD?
[12:28] <poje> linuxlingam: could you link me to a web .mov? I'll look into a better solution if you do
[12:28] <Gnea> MSTK: just type: sudo su
[12:28] <Xera> linuxlingam, Google for players, there should be some
[12:28] <rait> how can i enable grub after windows install?
[12:28] <kust0m> MSTK: i'm not sure anyone knows. a sudo su..
[12:28] <Hexan> loldesu probably you f*cked bad with partitions :|
[12:28] <Smygis> Gnea, 6.01?
[12:28] <kust0m> Gnea: ACK. beat me to iy.
[12:28] <Brade1> k
[12:28] <Brade1> k
[12:28] <Brade1> k
[12:28] <Brade1> k
[12:28] <Smygis> sorry
[12:28] <loldesu> i haven't made any partitions Hexan
[12:28] <loldesu> the liveCD won't run
[12:28] <kust0m> Brade1: diaf?
[12:28] <poje> Hexan: gotta use a rubber when doing that
[12:28] <Hexan> loldesu that's it :D
[12:28] <loldesu> i can't even get to installing
[12:28] <Brade1> damn
[12:28] <eck> to get a login shell with sudo you should use sudo -i
[12:29] <Hexan> first you have to create ext3 partition
[12:29] <_Chap_> try the alternate .. it helped me get up and crawling
[12:29] <Gnea> loldesu: well i have 6.01 and i'm getting 7.04 now to check on a documentation issue - i've had an older version of ubuntu (5.X?) fail to boot on one of my systems, and 6.01 booted just fine on it
[12:29] <Hexan> no way to fail installation :|
[12:29] <loldesu> Hexan: but why would I need a partition to run the live CD? i have none on my other PC and it runs fine
[12:29] <Gnea> !6.01
[12:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 6.01 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <poje> I give my support behind the alt CD, even though the partition section is crazy - but seriously, partitioning is crazy no matter what so there's no good way around it
[12:29] <Xera> god erasing DVDs takes forever
[12:29] <Gnea> !7.04
[12:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 7.04 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <Gnea> !fiesty
[12:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - For BitTorrent downloads, see !Torrents
[12:30] <Hexan> loldesu maybe you should check md5 sum of the cd
[12:30] <poje> loldesu: what are the specific errors
[12:30] <loldesu> i have checked the md5 sum
[12:30] <loldesu> it matches
[12:30] <Xera> poje hurr
[12:30] <_Chap_> ok who had the DELL LATITUDE ?! (widescrn)
[12:30] <loldesu> 'permission denied' and a lot of squashfs erros
[12:30] <loldesu> errors
[12:31] <MSTK> eck - okay, now that I am doing-over the tarball, should I add the -C now?
[12:31] <loldesu> then i press ctrl + alt + del and it says segment failed and reboots
[12:31] <poje> Do you remember what the first error was on?
[12:31] <eck> MSTK: yeah, i would
[12:31] <oskiiiiii> hi all
[12:31] <loldesu> poje: what do you mean?
[12:31] <MSTK> I'm still not sure what it does.
[12:31] <Gnea> loldesu: sounds like a cdrom issue
[12:31] <poje> loldesu: what was the first thing it didn't have perms for
[12:31] <loldesu> it scrolls too fast for me to read
[12:31] <loldesu> it doesn't say it just says permission denied
[12:31] <oskiiiiii> I hope u can help me more than spanish ubunters did
[12:31] <eck> MSTK: the difference is that in the tarball you'll just have a folder with your username and the contents, rather than 4 nested folders that you need to go through to get to the files
[12:31] <oskiiiiii> :)
[12:31] <Gnea> loldesu: what are you system specs?
[12:32] <MSTK> okay, thanks.
[12:32] <loldesu> amd athlon 3000+, 512mb ram, nvidia 6200
[12:32] <oskiiiiii> i have a problem browsing windows networking
[12:32] <loldesu> i also have 2 monitors
[12:32] <oskiiiiii> windows nework
[12:32] <loldesu> but i unplugged one and it still didn't work
[12:32] <Gnea> _Chap_: i know how to troubleshoot dells :)
[12:32] <poje> loldesu: yeah, sounds like a hardware issue - alt CD could help
[12:32] <loldesu> although i left the adapter in
[12:32] <_Chap_> no - i need the widescreen trouble-shooted :)
[12:32] <loldesu> i will get the alt cd
[12:32] <MSTK> eck - well apparently the -C was the problem.  When I add -C it stops working,.
[12:32] <Shafto> !alternate | loldesu
[12:32] <ubotu> loldesu: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[12:32] <poje> loldesu: prolly wasn't the monitors
[12:32] <MSTK> I'm guessing c stands for "cowardly"
[12:32] <_Chap_> im on hp with ATI X1300
[12:33] <Gnea> _Chap_: sure, what's the problem?
[12:33] <ConfidentiaL> When I'm installing ubuntu 7.04, and I'm gonna choose "Device for boot loader installation", it shows hd0. Is this the same as hda? and, if I wanna install it on my first SATA disk, should I then write sda or sd0?
[12:33] <MSTK> at least the capital one.
[12:33] <kust0m> do you need the C when creating the tar?
[12:33] <matthew1429> I just setup mysql and phpmyadmin, how does one change the password?
[12:33] <eck> just drop it then
[12:33] <loldesu> so you think it's my graphics card?
[12:33] <kust0m> i thought that was for extracting to a specific place?
[12:33] <loldesu> it would make sense, as my friend has the same errors
[12:33] <eck> -C just changes where tar roots itself from when it creates the archive
[12:33] <poje> ConfidentiaL: did it give you a choice?
[12:33] <loldesu> and the same card
[12:33] <Gnea> loldesu: try another vidcard and see then
[12:33] <_Chap_> Xserv bombs - log says -  no screen - plain and simple
[12:33] <chux> hi, i have desinstall apache, and when i try to install it, with apt-get, theres no /etc/init.d/apache2, ... so i cant start apache
[12:33] <MSTK> okay, it's doing it.
[12:33] <eck> kust0m: it makes it less annoying when you are trying to create an archive of /some/really/long/path/that/goes/on/forever
[12:33] <Xera> ConfidentiaL, hd0 = hard drive 0
[12:33] <ignotus> hello, how can I install zsnes in ubuntu?  It isn't in the package list
[12:33] <loldesu> Gnea: well it works on my PC downstairs which has a different video card
[12:33] <poje> loldesu: possibly, really I have no way of telling
[12:33] <MSTK> I still wish that there was a better way other than doing a full reinstall.  Will this keep intact my Firefox preferences?
[12:34] <eck> MSTK: yes, that's stored as ~/.mozilla
[12:34] <MSTK> how convenient.
[12:34] <_Chap_> all this for FF prefs ?!
[12:34] <poje> MSTK: what problem were you trying to fix again?
[12:34] <MSTK> erm, I corrupted my system during an upgrade to Feisty
[12:34] <Gnea> _Chap_: X isn't setup right, either it's not detecting the LFP or maybe it thinks it's a CRT... could be a bad video driver...
[12:34] <oskiiiiii> hi!
[12:34] <MSTK> so I'm reinstalling Ubuntu completely from the liveCD and backing up /home
[12:34] <Gnea> loldesu: swap the video cards between the two systems.
[12:34] <zaggynl> When is wine 0.9.36 coming to Ubuntu Feisty?
[12:35] <kust0m> poje: machine bombed mid upgrade
[12:35] <Xera> MSTK, got windows installed on a seperate partition?
[12:35] <chux> anybody can help with apache?
[12:35] <ajmorris_> ignotus, you could install it under wine
[12:35] <ConfidentiaL> Xera: so if my SATA disk is my number 2 harddisk, I should write hd1? even tho the partitions are named sdaX?
[12:35] <poje> kust0m: oh snap, that always blows
[12:35] <_Chap_> Gnea - all that makes sense - so what driver do i use - vesa no - ati - no radeon - no (the rebuild pckg - no good
[12:35] <poje> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=414935
[12:35] <MSTK> Xera: it's on a seperate hard drive
[12:35] <poje> Hmm, not looking so good ^
[12:35] <Xera> MSTK, try http://www.fs-driver.org/
[12:35] <Xera> might work
[12:35] <ignotus> ajmorris_: I would rather use the Linux version
[12:35] <Gnea> _Chap_: no idea, what video card is it?
[12:35] <oskiiiiii> help please
[12:35] <Gnea> oskiiiiii: don't know the problem, so can't help
[12:35] <zeroday> !ask | oskiiiiii
[12:35] <ubotu> oskiiiiii: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:35] <_Chap_> and i was just told the fthingy driver is also not gonna cover this older chip
[12:36] <Xera> ConfidentiaL, not sure sorry
[12:36] <mrcreativity> can someone please help me automate the keyring manager at startup
[12:36] <Xera> ask an expert ;)
[12:36] <chux> anybody can help with apache?
[12:36] <Xera> sure
[12:36] <poje> I'm an expert!! At everything!
[12:36] <_Chap_> ATI Radeon Mobility X1300 - with a 1280x800 screen
[12:36] <eck> mrcreativity: do you have libpam-keyring?
[12:36] <Gnea> _Chap_: i don't know what 'fthingy' or 'FF' is
[12:36] <MSTK> wow, that looks useful, Xera.  I'd bookmark it, but those don't transfer over from the Live CD.
[12:36] <Gnea> ah
[12:36] <poje> ...just so you guys now
[12:36] <poje> Er, know alo
[12:36] <poje> ALSO
[12:36] <kust0m> chux: elaborate please.
[12:36] <mrcreativity> eck: no i dont, what is that?
[12:36] <Gnea> !ati
[12:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:36] <chux> i have desinstall apache, and when i try to install it, with apt-get, theres no /etc/init.d/apache2, ... so i cant start apache
[12:36] <Xera> MSTK, well write down the address :p
[12:36] <MSTK> manually?  with paper?
[12:36] <MSTK> naw.
[12:36] <eck> mrcreativity: it's what makes it so you don't have to type it in. the keyring password has to be the same as your login password
[12:36] <_Chap_> FF was a joke - fthingy - is the flxrc driver or somethin close
[12:37] <Hexan> :D
[12:37] <Xera> chux, sudo apt-get remove --purge apache* I think
[12:37] <mrcreativity> eck: it is the same.
[12:37] <ajmorris_> ignotus, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zsnes/zsnes151src.tar.bz2
[12:37] <nikin> MSTK : ktmhome.sytes.net/mstk.tar.gz
[12:37] <chux> with *?
[12:37] <nikin> some books
[12:37] <MSTK> nikin - thanks
[12:37] <_Chap_> no no - im on 8bit VGA - there is no reading abou0t it....
[12:37] <ignotus> ajmorris_: hm, are you saying that there is no prepackadeg zsnes for ubunt?
[12:37] <MSTK> how long will those be up?
[12:37] <ignotus> ajmorris_: ubuntu*
[12:37] <eck> mrcreativity: install that package and then make /etc/pam.d/gdm look like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18225/
[12:38] <loldesu> should i possibly try kubuntu or xubuntu?
[12:38] <ajmorris_> ignotus, don't think so, only the source
[12:38] <Gnea> _Chap_: well according to the site, 'radeon' would be the default driver to use
[12:38] <_Chap_> i need concrete advice - what to app-get install
[12:38] <nikin> MSTK: any time :D its my Desktop PC :D
[12:38] <ignotus> ajmorris_: ahh, thank you for the directlink then!
[12:38] <Xera> ahh damn InfraRecorder, I can't cancel the DVD Erase
[12:38] <_Chap_> tried radeon
[12:38] <MSTK> nikin - thanks :)
[12:38] <_Chap_> with tons of options
[12:38] <lesshaste> how do you turn on autosave in thunderbird so that it autosaves emails you are writing?
[12:38] <mrcreativity> whats the name of the package please
[12:38] <eck> libpam-keyring
[12:38] <_Chap_> the LCD thing set and the size defined
[12:38] <poje> Has anyone used the Teardown thingy? It loosk interesting
[12:38] <Gnea> _Chap_: i don't own a latitude, i can only troubleshoot it so far - it's up to you to do trial & error.
[12:38] <chux> now i get failed dependencies...
[12:38] <Gnea> ok
[12:38] <MSTK> eck - okay, so once I reinstall Ubuntu, all I'd do is extract the tarball to /home.  That'll overwrite all of the new .home settings, and I'll be restored?
[12:39] <Gnea> _Chap_: what do you have set for the Horiz and Vert refreshes?
[12:39] <_Chap_> im own a COMPAQ - that was someone esle
[12:39] <kust0m> _Chap_: there's your problem.
[12:39] <Gnea> _Chap_: what latitude do you have?
[12:39] <mrcreativity> eck: i have to google for it right?
[12:39] <kust0m> Gnea: he just said he's ona  compaq..
[12:39] <ALL4N> hey, how come amsn gives 'Segmentation fault' when I try starting it after upgrading to feisty
[12:40] <_Chap_> ok - i dont own a thing - my client has an HPCompaq nc6400
[12:40] <eck> MSTK: if you look inside the tarball (with tar -tvzf home.tar.gz) you'll see that the files are nested in some deep folder hierarchy, but yeah, you just need to move all the files in the tarball to ~
[12:40] <zaggynl> Why can't I record/playback with my audigy SE in Ubuntu, while I can in winxp?
[12:40] <MSTK> could be incapatability issues, all4n .
[12:40] <eck> mrcreativity: what do you mean?
[12:40] <joycetick> anybody know where %appdata% is for wine?
[12:40] <eck> mrcreativity: apt-get install libpam-keyring
[12:40] <chux> Xera,  it works, lot of thanks
[12:40] <_Chap_> and it cant go back to him with a black screen and a ~>
[12:40] <mrcreativity> eck: that didnt work
[12:40] <kust0m> zaggynl: what app? do you also have onboard sound?
[12:40] <Gnea> _Chap_: we're not paid support, now you're screwed. good luck finding help that will take your insults.
[12:40] <Xera> chux no problem
[12:40] <eck> mrcreativity: do you have universe enabled?
[12:40] <ConfidentiaL> where can I check the settings for the cube desktop thing? because I have enabled it, but it's not showing a cube...:/ And, it worked before
[12:40] <mrcreativity> terminal said invalid operation
[12:40] <zaggynl> kunwon1, teamspeak/krecord, yes, I have VIA onboard sound (via82xx)
[12:40] <ALL4N> MSTK: okay. any suggestions for how to solve it?
[12:41] <cox377_> does anyone know the command to start mysql?
[12:41] <_Chap_> my humor was lost in translatioon
[12:41] <eck> mrcreativity: do it with sudo and check for typos
[12:41] <loldesu> I'm going to try kubuntu and see if i get the same errors
[12:41] <zaggynl> kust0m, , teamspeak/krecord, yes, I have VIA onboard sound (via82xx)
[12:41] <MSTK> All4n - are you running the latest version of amsn?
[12:41] <Gnea> _Chap_: consider yourself /ignore'd
[12:41] <kust0m> zaggynl: eh.. are the apps trying to use the onboard sound? that's what happened to me.
[12:41] <_Chap_> ive been up for days - and Im very appreciative of this fine collective - when its on the ball
[12:41] <Xera> What does "Fixate the disc after writing" mean? (DVD Burning)
[12:41] <zaggynl> kust0m, I had to force ubuntu to use either one of them, since it chose a random card on boot
[12:42] <mrcreativity> hehe...left out the install. silly me.
[12:42] <kust0m> zaggynl: strange. it doesn't playback anything at all?
[12:42] <joycetick> anybody know where %appdata% is stored for wine?
[12:42] <zaggynl> kust0m, thread about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=427150
[12:42] <Gnea> eh, you refused to answer my questions that would help to find the real problem and thus the solution, you instead decided to shove bullshit in my face. sorry, i don't forgive for that sort of thing.
[12:42] <mrcreativity> eck: thank you very much
[12:42] <eck> mrcreativity: no problem
[12:42] <berent> I am getting an error: deskbar-applet in feisty : why?
[12:42] <zaggynl> kust0m, I can playback as much as I want, but when recording comes in, I have to disabled everything playing sound, else it won't record at all
[12:42] <eck> ok, i'm sleeping, good luck everyone
[12:42] <ALL4N> MSTK: hmm, not sure.. I get segmentation fault when I try amsn -v also
[12:43] <ajmorris_> berent, what exactly is the error you get with deskbar-applet
[12:43] <kust0m> zaggynl: so the real problem is it's only doing half duplex?
[12:43] <zaggynl> kust0m, I guess so
[12:43] <zaggynl> Which I don't understand, since it works in winxp
[12:43] <_Chap_> whats more ignorable - a unique question - or generic answrs?
[12:43] <berent> ajmorris : dpkg --configure -a
[12:43] <berent> Setting up deskbar-applet (2.18.1-0ubuntu2) ...
[12:43] <berent> pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: already exists: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/deskbar/ui/cuemiac/CuemiacAlignedWindow.py
[12:43] <berent> pycentral pkginstall: already exists: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/deskbar/ui/cuemiac/CuemiacAlignedWindow.py
[12:43] <berent> dpkg: error processing deskbar-applet (--configure):
[12:43] <zaggynl> Gotta be something with Alsa or so
[12:43] <berent>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:43] <berent> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:43] <zaggynl> !paste | berent
[12:43] <ubotu> berent: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:43] <berent>  deskbar-applet
[12:43] <ALL4N> MSTK: is there a way of seeing which repo it will be installed from?
[12:43] <berent> ok
[12:43] <kust0m> zaggynl: different drivers and settings.
[12:43] <ALL4N> MSTK: when I try to install that is..
[12:43] <Gnea> once a negative attitude has been introduced into the equation, problems and solutions become a moot point.
[12:43] <MSTK> did you install it using synaptics?
[12:44] <Dremth> how can i set my resolution to 1440x900?
[12:44] <kust0m> zaggynl: lemme look around, because i'm probably going to have the same issue.
[12:44] <mEck0> Is it possible to add tracker (meta tracker) to the gnome-panel?
[12:44] <zaggynl> kust0m, okay, cool.
[12:44] <_Chap_> i retract the attitude and humbly submit myself to the 'community'
[12:44] <berent> ajmorris_ >> ??
[12:44] <_Chap_> btw, solutions are hardly ever moot
[12:44] <ajmorris_> berent, did u install using apt-get/apptitude/synaptic?
[12:44] <ALL4N> MSTK: aha, yeah, I'm getting amsn from archive.ubuntu.com universe
[12:45] <berent> ajmorris_ : apt-get
[12:45] <Gnea> _Chap_: apology accepted. now, what version of ubuntu is that? 6.01? 7.04? something else?
[12:45] <Dremth> are most people here using xchat? or something else?
[12:45] <_Chap_> 704 off the alternate livecd
[12:45] <ALL4N> Dremth: irssi
[12:45] <kenthomson> HELP; I am on feisty, i get a KERNEL MISMATCH error and X fails to start with the nvidia driver. It says that the kernel module is some 9755 and the nvidia driver is 9*** and it needs both these to be of the same version. I haven't installed anything out of the official repos, right now i am on the OS nv driver, please help me get nvidia back
[12:46] <MSTK> ALL4N - try running update-manager and see if there are any updates available.
[12:46] <ajmorris_> berent, did u run with root privaleges?
[12:46] <berent> ajmorris_ : yes
[12:46] <IntangibleLiquid> Dremth: lots. But I'm using x-chat ^ ^
[12:46] <Gnea> okay, is that the only ubuntu cd set that you have?
[12:46] <berent> ajmorris_ : su
[12:46] <zeroday> kenthomson: www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.htm
[12:46] <_Chap_> i also have a reg 704 - i can get and burn....what do u suggezst ?
[12:46] <kenthomson> zeroday: please i don't want anyone's scripts or automatic/envy.
[12:46] <Gnea> hrm... do you have the lynx command available in the console shell?
[12:47] <zeroday> kenthomson: why?
[12:47] <Dremth> %%%%%%%%%%%%%% Is there a way to set my resolution higher than 1024x786??
[12:47] <ALL4N> MSTK: oh, update-manager tells me I need to run a distribution upgrade..  I guess I'll do that and see if there are any changes
[12:47] <ALL4N> MSTK: thanks
[12:47] <kenthomson> zeroday: i wish to keep my system as stable as possible and don't want to reinstall nvidia drivers everytime there is a kernel update, that's why i want to stick to the restricted modules and nvidia-glx in the repo
[12:47] <MSTK> ALL4N - no problem.
[12:48] <kenthomson> Can someone tell me how to get X BACK?
[12:48] <_Chap_> apt-getin lynx now
[12:48] <Smygis> Dremth, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[12:48] <Gnea> cool
[12:48] <Smygis> in a terminal
[12:48] <Gnea> !beer
[12:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:48] <MSTK> eck - thanks for walking me through the backup and all.  But I'm going to scour the forums for a less...invasive way to fix this problem.  I might be able to avoid a complete reinstall.
[12:48] <Gnea> d'oh
[12:48] <kenthomson> Smygis: what is -phigh
[12:48] <_Chap_> yeah in another one = the ctrlalt-fn thing is coool
[12:48] <Gnea> indeed
[12:49] <kenthomson> zeroday: ?
[12:49] <what_if> !about
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <Gnea> _Chap_: incidentally, what version of latitude do you have?
[12:49] <kenthomson> HELP; I am on feisty, i get a KERNEL MISMATCH error and X fails to start with the nvidia driver. It says that the kernel module is some 9755 and the nvidia driver is 9*** and it needs both these to be of the same version. I haven't installed anything out of the official repos, right now i am on the OS nv driver, please help me get nvidia back
[12:49] <_Chap_> I have lynx - its so colorful
[12:49] <marcio> my wine won't execute msn messenger
[12:49] <_Chap_> I do NOT have a dell
[12:49] <Gnea> ok, check out this url: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:49] <poje> Um...are new kernels only 50kB?
[12:49] <Gnea> oh
[12:49] <Gnea> nevermind then
[12:49] <marcio> root@marcio-lap:/media/ACER/Programmi/Messenger# wine msmsgs.exe
[12:49] <marcio> err:module:import_dll Library gdiplus.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\media\\ACER\\Programmi\\Messenger\\msmsgs.exe") not found
[12:49] <marcio> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\media\\ACER\\Programmi\\Messenger\\msmsgs.exe" failed, status c0000135
[12:49] <poje> Coz I just grabbed linux-686-smp and it was lightning fast
[12:49] <_Chap_> with ...w3?
 Thanks. I'm assuming i have to do a xwindow restart?
[12:50] <ajmorris_> berent, do you have python2.4 or 2.5 installed, because i think feisty's deskbar-applet requires python2.5 and your error states 2.4
[12:50] <Smygis> Draconicus, yes
[12:50] <Gnea> lynx https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:50] <Gnea> just like that
[12:50] <Smygis> lol
[12:50] <MSTK> eck - okay, I think I got this.  If I wanted to install programs as if I were on my old install, I'd do chroot /mnt/ubuntu/ , correct?
[12:50] <Smygis> Dremth, yes
[12:50] <larryone> every time I put a dvd in the drive my system hangs!
[12:50] <Dremth> smygis, thanks
[12:50] <larryone> can anyione help me?
[12:50] <berent> ajmorris_ : i have both
[12:50] <_Chap_> Oh - cool a browsr
[12:50] <Gnea> if it doesn't work, try installing lynx-ssl
[12:50] <_Chap_> brb
[12:51] <marcio> anybody help me?
[12:51] <MSTK> eck - okay, I seemed to have figured out why I got the error.  It happens to people with multiple hard drives.  Which I have.
[12:51] <Smygis> kenthomson: Only Driver and Resulution, No keybord or depth stuff
[12:51] <marcio> messenger won't start with wine
[12:52] <_Chap_> Gnea - so fglrx after all ?!
[12:52] <erUSUL> kenthomson: if you haven't instaled nothing outside official repos how come you have instaled the 9755 version of the kernel module???. repos' version is 9631 afaics
[12:53] <FP> Hi all
[12:53] <Smygis> marcio, MSN messenger?
[12:53] <berent> ajmorris_ : should i set pythonpath?
[12:53] <MSTK> marcio - are you using MSN messenger?
[12:53] <Gnea> _Chap_: yeah pretty much
[12:53] <ajmorris_> berent, yes try that
[12:53] <kenthomson> erUSUL: i am speaking numbers out of the memory i don't know EXACLTY what that boot message says
[12:53] <_Chap_> k Gnea - thanks for calming down ... (jk)
[12:53] <marcio> i'd like to use it with wine
[12:53] <Gnea> lol
[12:54] <Smygis> marcio, use amsn instead
[12:54] <marcio> i don't like it sorry
[12:54] <_Chap_> maybe I shouldve lead with Im from Brklyn ;)
[12:54] <berent> ajmorris_ : if it affects other things? this pycentral is really terrifying
[12:54] <MSTK> Isn't it the same interface as msn?
[12:54] <tuskernini> Smygis: i tried amsn and it gives trouble with a router...
[12:54] <kenthomson> erUSUL: you know some way i can get X BACK WITH NVIDIA?
[12:54] <marcio> everytime somebody connects the programs freezes for a while
[12:54] <marcio> *program
[12:54] <kenthomson> marcio: that is the beauty of free software
[12:55] <erUSUL> kenthomson: well it would help to know *exactly* what's going on to be able to find what may be the problem...
[12:55] <_Chap_> imagine Bugs bunny installing ubuntu after OD'ing on organic carrots
[12:55] <ajmorris_> berent, by setting the pythonpath it should not affect other things, if you set the path to the default
[12:55] <larryone> every time I put a dvd in the drive my system hangs - this is in the syslog: hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[12:55] <kenthomson> erUSUL: let me restart than and give you the exact thing
[12:55] <larryone> any ideas out there how I can fix this?
[12:55] <erUSUL> kenthomson: i asume that you tried removing the affected packages and instaling them again
[12:55] <larryone> anyone?
[12:55] <Gnea> i can see his eyeball going splat on the screen ;)
[12:55] <_Chap_> what screen - u dont have a screen buddy ?!
[12:55] <_Chap_> cya :)
[12:56] <weltschmerz> METACITY doesn't start when i log in. except in safe mode.
[12:56] <_Chap_> oy, how do i leave this place..
[12:56] <marcio> what about deskop effects,i get the error "the composite extension is not available"
[12:56] <Gnea>  /quit
[12:56] <ajmorris_> berent, also what happens when you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure deskbar-applet and .... python2.5 and python2.4
[12:57] <poje> Hm, wtf happened to swiftfox?
[12:57] <mrcreativity> eck: it didnt work
[12:58] <marcio> how do i install fglrx?
[12:58] <Gruelius> anyone having issues with mdadm and feisty?
[12:58] <MSTK> man, that tar file is still being compressed.
[12:58] <Gnea> marcio: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:58] <david__> hi how can i to activate beryl? i have the emerald in the bar but nothing happnes
[12:58] <mrcreativity> eck: i've enabled autologin...u think that could be the problem?
[12:58] <david__> *happens
[12:59] <IntangibleLiquid> david__: type 'beryl-manager' on the terminal
[12:59] <what_if> david, right click on the tray icon and "select window manager" -  "beryl"
[01:00] <what_if> david__: , right click on the tray icon and "select window manager" -  "beryl"
[01:00] <poje> eck: just fyi, you're my hero for the evening
[01:00] <poje> Here's your award: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/9244/
[01:00] <david__> what_if: i think that i havent all the beryl packages
[01:00] <what_if> david__: that will also make it not work ;)
[01:01] <MSTK> wow, this .tar has been compressing for the past hour.
[01:01] <MSTK> i should delete some unnecessary files.
[01:01] <Pierre__> hi
[01:01] <poje> MSTK: Like .Trash ;)
[01:01] <ajmorris_> berent, ??
[01:01] <what_if> david__: should just need beryl and beryl-manager packages
[01:02] <poje> MSTK: is it a straight tar or a tgz?
[01:02] <MSTK> yeah, that would have been a good idea, poje.
[01:02] <MSTK> it's a tar.gz
[01:02] <MSTK> wow, it's done
[01:02] <MSTK> speak of the devil.
[01:02] <poje> MSTK: Hah
[01:02] <Pierre__> i've got a problem with ubuntu 7.04
[01:02] <poje> MSTK: I would not have compressed
[01:02] <david__> what_if: lol sure, maybe is the shorcuts submenu in the beryl manager options?
[01:02] <MSTK> yeah, but I was following eck.
[01:02] <poje> MSTK: but you're done so WHATEVA WHATEVA I DO WHAT I WANT
[01:02] <MSTK> now watch as I try this fix I just found in the forums five minutes ago
[01:02] <MSTK> that will make that .tar completely useless
[01:02] <MSTK> v_v
[01:02] <larryone> can anyone in here help me?   is the following a sound problem or a problem with my drive???:
[01:02] <larryone>  hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[01:02] <poje> Hooray
[01:03] <what_if> david__: not sure I follow the question...
[01:03] <poje> larryone: did a google turn up anything?
[01:03] <larryone> poje, yes, a bug report...  which was unsolved
[01:03] <what_if> david__: you mean to configure things like keyboard shortcuts ?
[01:03] <david__> what_if: maybe i have to activate the shortcuts in the general options of the beryl manager
[01:03] <david__> yep
[01:04] <what_if> david__: there is a program called "beryl setting manager" that handles those
[01:04] <Pierre__> when i connect my wifi dongle, my usb don't work anymore
[01:04] <david__> thas what i said i havent all the packages lol
[01:04] <larryone> poje,  my system hangs whenever I put in a dvd.  will upgrade to fiesty help???
[01:05] <poje> larryone: I'd put it at a 50% chance
[01:05] <poje> larryone: I pulled that out of my posterior but it's a ballpark figure
[01:05] <poje> ;D
[01:05] <Pierre__> although this dongle works well with windows
[01:05] <kust0m> poje: synonymous with "hell if i know?"
[01:05] <what_if> david__: try beryl-settings package
[01:05] <poje> kust0m: shhhhhh
[01:05] <larryone> =0)
[01:05] <larryone> thanks poje
[01:05] <larryone> I might give it a lash anyway
[01:05] <PleegWat> I'm having some trouble getting my external harddisk to disconnect
[01:06] <poje> larryone: You're welcome - good luck if you go for it
[01:06] <socrates> can I install the 32bit version of ubuntu on a AMD64 machine?
[01:06] <kust0m> socrates: absolutely
[01:06] <what_if> socrates: yes
[01:06] <socrates> no catches?
[01:06] <what_if> socrates: in fact, I recommend it
[01:06] <kust0m> socrates: nope. i would probably recommend that.
[01:06] <erUSUL> socrates: yes
[01:06] <kust0m> what_if: get out of my brain!
[01:06] <c_lisp> how can I get rid of gstreamserver from my update manaer it always fail for updates
[01:07] <socrates> yeah, I'll definitely do it cuz there's quite a lot of stuff that I can't install..."wrong build"
[01:07] <PleegWat> Whenever I try to 'eject' my external (USB) harddisk it says 'cannot eject volume'
[01:07] <kust0m> PleegWat: is something using it?
[01:08] <aterphasma> does the install cd have ipw3945 drivers on it?
[01:08] <PleegWat> kust0m: not that I know of
[01:08] <Dremth> smygis, what was the command to change the resolution again?
[01:08] <fsancho> hi all
[01:08] <Smygis> Dremth, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[01:08] <fsancho> i have just upgraded from dapper to edgy and i can't boot
[01:08] <Dremth> k
[01:08] <Dremth> thanks again
[01:08] <kust0m> fsancho: getting an error?
[01:08] <fsancho> i try to boot in Recovery Mode
[01:08] <what_if> socrates: you'll have problems with things like flash and other plugins in 64 bit also
[01:09] <fsancho> and all i can see is "Waiting for root file system"
[01:09] <socrates> what_if: yup, problems with flash are the main reasons why I ask ...
[01:10] <socrates> what_if: but why do you say "also"? will it not work with the 32bit version installed?
[01:10] <HymnToLife> socrates, yes it will
[01:11] <asgoo> please help! i need to know the name of the sound configuration file so i can get rid of this annoying buzzing sound. alsaconf doesnt work.
[01:11] <what_if> socrates: flash 9 even works in 32bit, as does everythin else.
[01:11] <MSTK> okay, well it's getting late.  I'm off.
[01:11] <MSTK> hopefully my ubuntu will be fixed.
[01:11] <MSTK> after this reboot.
[01:11] <fsancho> After a long while i can see "ALERT: /dev/disk/by-uuid/bablablabla does not exist. Dropping to a shell !!
[01:11] <socrates> what_if: so, I guess the only downside will be a slightly decreased performance
[01:12] <_Chap_> Gnea - i dunno bout ur sense of humor - but ur X server configing is on the ball!
[01:12] <what_if> socrates: not true, 64 bit merely increases the address space, it is the same speed
[01:12] <_Chap_> its beautiful
[01:12] <socrates> what_if: what does it mean? that I could install more RAM?
[01:13] <socrates> HymnToLife: by the way, thanks for your comment
[01:13] <fsancho> I can execute commands in initramfs shell, so i searched for my disks device files, and they doesn't exists
[01:13] <poje> socrates: basically, and can hold bigger numbers per "slot"
[01:13] <what_if> socrates: yes, much more, and it can calculate 64bit numbers in one pass
[01:13] <poje> socrates: x86-64 has big advantages for certain server apps currently
[01:13] <poje> On a desktop you're not getting much at all
[01:14] <socrates> really? damn, I shouldn't have bought it then ... thanks all
[01:14] <rNIUS> hello all!
[01:14] <Shafto> Does ubuntu run any good on VIA processors?
[01:14] <ConfidentiaL> is there a maximum size the boot partition should be?
[01:14] <KillerBunny> what_if, and that makes if faster if you are using 64 bit primitives in your programs?
[01:14] <what_if> socrates: np :)
[01:14] <poje> socrates: not that big of a deal, you future-proofed yourself a bit
[01:15] <Smygis> Shafto, as good as anything can run on them
[01:15] <what_if> KillerBunny: um in C speak I'm assuming that would be long long int, so yes
[01:15] <socrates> poje: I just hope that all parts will last that long to prove their effectiveness ...
[01:15] <poje> socrates: don't sweat it :)
[01:16] <poje> You've got a bigger e-peenor because of it, be thankful
[01:16] <soulburner> hello everybody
[01:16] <jacquesmerde> are there any gui implementations of hidd --connect? or a way to autoconnect hidd when it finds the broadcast address?
[01:16] <kust0m> hhhahaha
[01:16] <socrates> I have managed to burn a CPU before
[01:16] <what_if> KillerBunny: oh yeah, and double *anythings*
[01:16] <soulburner> i try to add some music to my sony mp3player
[01:16] <Smygis> you can install more then 4GB of RAM in a x86-64 machine
[01:16] <kust0m> Smygis: weren't there 32 bit machines that would do more than 4gb?
[01:16] <soulburner> but under windos we must use the sonic stage player
[01:17] <koyo001> hello
[01:17] <koyo001> i have a problem
[01:17] <soulburner> who not work under linux
[01:17] <soulburner> anybody have idea ?
[01:17] <Shafto> Smygis, To be more specific on this spec of laptop http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18229/ , minus ours has 768MB RAM
[01:17] <koyo001> can anyone help
[01:17] <what_if> kust0m: yes, but there were workarounds for that, it did not directly address over 4GB
[01:17] <jacquesmerde> soulburner, i have a sony mp3 player too. i FEEL your pain
[01:17] <socrates> koyo001: just ask your question
[01:17] <kust0m> koyo001: i think it would help if we knew wahat the problem was
[01:17] <erUSUL> !anyone | koyo001
[01:17] <ubotu> koyo001: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:18] <vidas> ko
[01:18] <koyo001> because usually when i just ask
[01:18] <socrates> alright, thanks again all. c ya
[01:18] <kust0m> JUST ASK
[01:18] <soulburner> arg jacquesmerde, there's no possibility to add music ?
[01:18] <koyo001> people think you are talking to someone in particular and dont respond
[01:18] <alessandro__> !list
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[01:18] <_Chap_> Gnea - thanks really - no 'tude - just all love
[01:19] <koyo001> ok i installed frostwire on my pc
[01:19] <koyo001> nothing works
[01:19] <kust0m> best description ever.
[01:19] <Shafto> koyo001, You got beryl?
[01:19] <koyo001> no
[01:19] <erUSUL> koyo001: simptoms? arror msgs?
[01:19] <koyo001> none
[01:19] <koyo001> no messages
[01:19] <zaggynl> describe 'nothign works'
[01:19] <Alex245> hello
[01:19] <koyo001> just does not boot
[01:19] <Shafto> Its usually a beryl problem with frostwire!
[01:20] <stonehenge> open a terminal and start frostwire
[01:20] <ajmorris_> koyo001, as in frostwire does not open?
[01:20] <erUSUL> koyo001: have you launched it from a terminal? to get some error msg?
[01:20] <zaggynl> koyo001, ubuntu does not boot?
[01:20] <koyo001> exactly
[01:20] <koyo001> nothing happens
[01:20] <zaggynl> koyo001, what do you see, the loading bar?
[01:20] <koyo001> no frostwire does not boot
[01:20] <Shafto> koyo001, Start from terminal 'frostwire'
[01:20] <zaggynl> oh
[01:20] <zaggynl> make that start, not boot
[01:21] <koyo001> ok start
[01:21] <Shafto> koyo001, That should give some error messages to work from, pastebin them
[01:21] <Shafto> !paste | koyo001
[01:21] <ubotu> koyo001: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:21] <koyo001> ok
[01:21] <stonehenge> is java installed?
[01:21] <Dremth> smygis, it still looks like i have the same resolution. is there a command i can run to check?
[01:22] <koyo001> what command to start it from terminal
[01:22] <jacquesmerde> soulburner: sony ones are like ipod ones, you cant just add music, you have to alter the database. there are linux ipod clients which take care oft he database, i dont THINK there is an equivalent for sony. ipod's also have third-party firmware which lets you upload music to it like a flash player, but i dont THINK such alternate firmware exists for sony either
[01:22] <Shafto> koyo001, frostwire
[01:22] <kust0m> koyo001: try 'frostwire'
[01:22] <Shafto> koyo001, I believe
[01:22] <jacquesmerde> i HOPE someone can correct me otherwise
[01:22] <Dremth> smygis, could i possibly be using the wrong display driver?
[01:22] <ajmorris_> koyo001, do you have java runtime installed?
[01:22] <koyo001> ok java problem
[01:22] <koyo001> its what i was expecting
[01:22] <Smygis> Dremth, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  and tell me what driver ure using
[01:22] <kust0m> Dremth: my monitor doesn't show 1440x900 by default either.
[01:23] <ajmorris_> installe java runtime environment koyo001, then it will work
[01:23] <IndyGunFreak_> koyo001: it should have installed Java when you installed Frostwire.
[01:23] <kust0m> Dremth: using the restricted driver
[01:23] <Dremth> im pretty sure im using vesa
[01:23] <koyo001> ok other problem
[01:23] <poje> BRAWR!
[01:23] <koyo001> installed java
[01:23] <ajmorris_> koyo001, what java error do you get?
[01:23] <Smygis> Dremth, vesa cant go above 1024*7xx
[01:23] <nonewmsgs> a file server can be in ext3, right? samba would just handle that data to windows
[01:23] <koyo001> but right now its on my home partition
[01:23] <kust0m> nonewmsgs: right.
[01:23] <what_if> nonewmsgs: yes
[01:23] <Dremth> hmm... what should i use then?
[01:24] <nonewmsgs> thanks.  just wanted to double check
[01:24] <Smygis> Dremth, What gfx card do you have
[01:24] <Dremth> smygis, nvidia 7900 gs 256mb
[01:25] <_Chap_> i just got my widescreen goin with fglrx
[01:25] <koyo001> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18233/
[01:25] <Smygis> Dremth, Ether use the "nv" driver or install nvidias binary driver
[01:25] <Dremth> k
[01:25] <koyo001> this is the message i get
[01:25] <Dremth> smygis, k thanks
[01:25] <foug> is there a way to control the speed of my fans?
[01:25] <_Chap_> (but this was for an older ATI card)
[01:25] <[Flux] > yay i got beryl to work
[01:25] <foug> yay
[01:26] <[Flux] > now to figure out how to do the cube thing lol
[01:26] <ajmorris_> koyo001, you don't have a late enough version of java
[01:26] <nonewmsgs> how can you view outside the cube with an external wallpaper like the youtubers do with beryl
[01:26] <herbaliser> is there a package for ntfsfix util?
[01:26] <what_if> [Flux] :  ctrl-alt left click
[01:26] <[Flux] > oh
[01:26] <nonewmsgs> or is that a #beryl question
[01:26] <herbaliser> getting error on mounting ntfs parition
[01:26] <koyo001> yeah
[01:26] <koyo001> problem
[01:26] <koyo001> i explained
[01:26] <ajmorris_> koyo001, in synaptic look for sun-java'#'-jre
[01:26] <dchky> They are called 'skydomes' nonewmsgs
[01:27] <ConfidentiaL> I have some problems with a grub error 17 after installation of newest ubuntu. I have searched, but found no answer that solves the problem. Can anyone help me?
[01:27] <nonewmsgs> thanks dchky
[01:27] <[Flux] > omg that is so sweet!
[01:27] <ajmorris_> koyo001, most likely sun-java6-jre
[01:27] <Shafto> ConfidentiaL, Try #grub
[01:27] <nonewmsgs> flux dont forget your emerald theme manager
[01:27] <skk> ls
[01:27] <what_if> [Flux] : try windows key +f3, makes it snow. my favorite
[01:27] <dchky> in the beryl preferences - desktop - cube - skydomes
[01:27] <ConfidentiaL> ok
[01:28] <kenthomson> My X SERVER Fails: "Error API the nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-9755 but this X module has the version 1.0-9631. Make sure that the same version exist in both". My system is unbootalbe and X Can't start. i haven't added anything via 3rd part repos. PLease help me get A GUI BACK
[01:28] <[Flux] > hmm didnt work
[01:28] <kenthomson> [Flux] : what are you doing?
[01:28] <[Flux] > playing with beryl
[01:28] <Shafto> kenthomson, If you just want a gui back change the driver line to "nv" in your xorg.conf
[01:28] <[Flux] > i cant make it snow though
[01:29] <kenthomson> Shafto: that is how i am talking to you now, but i want nvidia back
[01:29] <kenthomson> [Flux] : are you on feisty?
[01:29] <herbaliser> ntfsprogs package
[01:29] <[Flux] > yup
[01:29] <kenthomson> [Flux] : what guide/installation method did you follow for installing the nvidia driver/editing the X file for installing beryl?
[01:29] <koyo001> i installed the sun java jre manually
[01:29] <Shafto> !beryl
[01:29] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:29] <[Flux] > there are a few on the forums
[01:29] <kenthomson> Shafto: so what should i do now
[01:30] <evil> can anyone help me with a problem rar files plz?
[01:30] <kenthomson> koyo001: very bad for you
[01:30] <ajmorris_> [Flux] , go to beryl settings manager and then extras and enable snow... is that enabled?
[01:30] <koyo001> but made a listake and installed it in my home partition
[01:30] <[Flux] > you need to use beryl thats not on the repos
[01:30] <foug> is there a way to control the speed of my fans somehow?
[01:30] <kenthomson> evil: sudo aptitude install unrar
[01:30] <ajmorris_> koyo001, install the one in synaptic anyway, it won't hurt
[01:30] <[Flux] > http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ fiesty main
[01:30] <[Flux] > is the repo you need to use
[01:30] <koyo001> how do i remove it and its dependencies
[01:30] <evil> mmmhhh i try,but i already did apt-get rar and unrar
[01:30] <[Flux] > but you will need to comment out universe
[01:30] <[Flux] > while installing beryl
[01:31] <koyo001> no installing the one in synaptic right now
[01:31] <kenthomson> [Flux] : which guide did you use to install the NVIDIA DRIVER and edit the XORG.CONF?
[01:31] <Dremth> smygis, i tried the nv driver and the nvidia display driver and saw no change. could the problem be that im using beryl?
[01:31] <kenthomson> Shafto: so?
[01:31] <rasmuson> Hi all. How do I get a list of installed debs sorted by install date?
[01:31] <[Flux] > i have ATI
[01:31] <kust0m> I installed beryl with an nvidia card..and didn't make any changes
[01:31] <[Flux] > not nvidia sorry
[01:31] <kenthomson> [Flux] : ok
[01:31] <[Flux] > ajmorris_:  i dont have a snow option
[01:31] <kust0m> just a quick apt-get install beryl beryl-manager
[01:31] <koyo001> how do you remove bin files
[01:31] <kust0m> and i was on my way
[01:31] <kenthomson> CAN ANYONE HELP ME GET X BACK???
[01:31] <dchky> Everyone has a snow option.
[01:31] <ajmorris_> [Flux] , what version of beryl?