[00:08] <knome> pmjdebruijn, dispcal: Error - icoms - usb_is_usb_portno: port number 1 out of range 1 - 0
[00:10] <knome> pmjdebruijn, wait, even that needs the colorimeter?
[00:11] <knome> pmjdebruijn, yeah, that's not mentioned in the article
[00:20] <damiank> hi knome
[00:20] <damiank> hows everything
[00:20] <knome> damiank, hey
[00:20] <knome> fine
[00:20] <knome> ircing in the bed
[00:20] <damiank> cool
[00:21] <knome> not really, bad ergonomy ;)
[00:21] <damiank> i had to delay a bit the testings due that today i was told that i had no longer my stable job :(
[00:21] <damiank> so i spend the whole day thinking what to do
[00:21] <knome> sorry to hear that
[00:21] <damiank> np, something will come
[00:22] <damiank> tonight i will probably test the 32bit iso updating my 12.04lts
[00:22] <knome> yep, things will sort out eventually in a way or another
[00:22] <damiank> yeah
[00:22] <knome> and good luck finding a new better one :)
[00:22] <damiank> yeah
[00:22] <damiank> i usually find jobs on elance so i will do that for now
[00:22] <knome> :)
[00:23] <damiank> if you happen to know anyone that needs a web coder just let me know
[00:23] <damiank> in the meantime i will talk later to see if i can help with xubuntu page
[00:23] <damiank> to keep me busy :)
[00:24] <knome> damiank, have you seen the new staging site?
[00:24] <damiank> nope yet
[00:24] <knome> re: web coder, well i know some people but they're my clients, so no luck for you ;(
[00:24] <damiank> :)
[00:24] <damiank> i can take small jobs to help you if you want
[00:24] <damiank> no need to be a full time
[00:25] <knome> heh, thanks, but no thanks
[00:26] <damiank> :)
[00:26] <damiank> regarding the updates of the iso, any recommendation?
[00:27] <damiank> i will test update on a amd athlon xp with 2gb ram
[00:27] <damiank> an old geforce2 card
[00:27] <damiank> will it work?
[00:28] <damiank> which is min reqs for 14.04?
[00:28] <knome> should work
[00:29] <knome> the staging site: http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/
[00:33] <damiank> i like it
[00:34] <damiank> knome you know the exact requirements for xubuntu 14.04?
[00:34] <damiank> im worried the geforce2 card doesnt work
[00:35] <damiank> on 12.10 i had problems so i went back to 12.04 on this pc
[00:36] <knome> the hardware as is should be sufficient, whether the card itself has problems with 14.04, no idea
[00:36] <knome> that's one of the reasons we run tests...
[00:36] <damiank> i know
[00:36] <damiank> ok i'll test tonight then i let you know
[00:36] <damiank> if there are problems i have a full 12.04 backup here ;)
[00:37] <knome> that's sane.
[00:37] <damiank> yeah
[00:40] <damiank> ok im off to eat something i'll be back later
[00:40] <knome> bon appetit
[00:41] <damiank> thanks
[01:36] <ochosi> Noskcaj: cause you asked me a while ago, no, i don't know of any other thunar patches we might need atm
[01:36] <ochosi> but getting that one would be nice
[01:36] <ochosi> (for the wallpaper-plugin)
[01:37] <Noskcaj> ochosi, ok. The MP is up
[01:37] <ochosi> what does MP stand for again? (other than military police, member of parliament, ...)
[01:40] <Unit193> Military Police is right, they've put a blockade up.
[01:42] <ochosi> i see :)
[01:42] <Unit193> Merge proposal.
[01:42] <Unit193> I like my other answer better though.
[01:45] <ochosi> hm, i'm more used to MR i guess
[08:21] <elfy> mmm - just got some updates in trusty - if anyone else gets some - and doesn't have keyboard set to US - can they check to see if it is set to US afterwards
[09:04] <Migou> Hello everybody
[12:10] <brainwash_> accidentally opened a document with abiword - the app which constantly breaks the ruler in every dev release of xubuntu
[12:11] <brainwash_> can anyone confirm that not only the rulers are broken, but also the top document view are when scrolled?
[12:11] <brainwash_> document view area
[12:11] <brainwash_> it flickers for me
[12:11] <brainwash_> bug 1261203
[12:12] <elfy> I've confirmed one of those already
[12:12] <elfy> I'm sure
[12:12] <brainwash_> so you see the top part flickering?
[12:13] <brainwash_> when you scroll the document
[12:13] <elfy> nope no flickering - that might just be you
[12:14] <brainwash_> interesting
[12:19] <brainwash_> the flicker might be subtle for you, but the actual cause is related to the ruler glitch
[12:19] <elfy> though I rarely use it - so if it's intermittent I'd not notice
[12:19] <brainwash_> I suggest increasing the priority of this bug
[12:19] <elfy> and tbf not very interested in it - something breaks with it all the time
[12:20] <brainwash_> abiword is a core app and this glitch is way too annoying, it makes the user look for another word processor
[12:21] <elfy> it might well be a core app - but I'm beginning to just join everyone in else in not caring about qa
[12:21] <elfy> wasting my time
[12:21] <brainwash_> speaking of importance level.. people bumped tons of reports once again
[12:21] <brainwash_> assigning low importance
[12:22] <brainwash_> very helpful :/
[12:22] <elfy> no - someone decided to do a bug day and just wandered about worrying about ubuntu stuff
[12:22] <elfy> anyway - nipper is here - bbl
[12:22] <brainwash_> :)
[13:33] <elfy> brainwash_: so this really annoying flicker bug - I assume that someone else must have reported it :)
[13:43] <brainwash_> elfy: happens when I open the HackingOnThunar.odt
[13:43] <brainwash_> did not try other documents yet
[13:44] <brainwash_> empty document with several pages and random content does not seem to be affected
[13:45] <elfy> is that a local file to you?
[13:46] <elfy> found it
[13:47] <brainwash_> a random odt I intended to open with libreoffice.. but then ended up with abiword
[13:47] <elfy> brainwash_: sort of flickering when it goes to new page if dragging the scrollbar up and down
[13:47] <brainwash_> top area, right?
[13:47] <elfy> where the ruler would be
[13:49] <brainwash_> I'll try to do some debugging and then add information to the existing report
[13:49] <elfy> :)
[13:49] <brainwash_> really wish that we would have switched to libreoffice writer + calc
[13:49] <elfy> well we haven't :)
[13:50] <elfy> and no-one seems to be coming forward with a spec for changing it either so I doubt we will
[13:51] <brainwash_> the only blocker was the available iso space I think
[13:51] <elfy> no idea I'm afraid, I really don't worry about it that much - I just install it myself
[13:55] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009615.html
[13:55] <elfy> was the last time it got airplay brainwash_ :)
[13:58] <brainwash_> so hopefully we can make abiword work properly before final release
[13:58] <brainwash_> ootb experience is very important
[13:59] <elfy> I agree - but I've only ever seen one person talking about this flicker thing :p
[14:00] <brainwash_> it's new in trusty
[14:00] <elfy> anyway - bbl
[14:00] <brainwash_> and apparently our tester do not test it properly :P
[14:01] <brainwash_> I discovered it by accident
[14:01] <brainwash_> not sure if the testing guide asks the user to open a document (.odt?) in abiword
[14:02] <elfy> why not go and look
[14:03] <brainwash_> I have no clue, never bothered with iso testing :(
[14:03] <brainwash_> so I got nothing bookmarked
[14:04] <brainwash_> basically I use trusty and discover more than enough bugs by simply using it
[15:48] <ganglere> speaking of iso testing, anyone know why test drive shows no available isos?
[15:50] <ganglere> nevermind, appearently I have to choose a release now
[16:08] <knome> bluesabre, thanks for the merge request.
[16:08] <bluesabre> knome: yup
[16:08] <bluesabre> FF in 1.5 weeks
[16:08] <bluesabre> micahg: please review the merge requests to the seed and default-settings
[16:08] <knome> bluesabre, can you see the -features blueprint and look if there's something else we should/can change in the seed now
[16:09] <knome> bluesabre, should be a (at least near-)exhaustive list in the whiteboard
[16:10] <bluesabre> yeah, trying to get all that together now
[16:10] <knome> ok, thanks
[16:10] <knome> while you're at it, please check if the blueprint work item statuses are up-to-date
[16:15] <bluesabre> these look up to date
[16:15] <bluesabre> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features
[16:15] <bluesabre> micahg: MRs are at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu
[16:16] <elfy> bluesabre: what's happening with getting the menu button property edit thing changed to menulibre?
[16:16] <bluesabre> elfy: I
[16:16] <elfy> bluesabre: I
[16:16] <elfy> too :p
[16:16] <bluesabre> ok good
[16:16] <bluesabre> :)
[16:16] <bluesabre> I'll work on getting a patch in for that today or tomorrow
[16:17] <bluesabre> we need micahg to update the seed before that happens though
[16:17] <bluesabre> unless we have somebody with access to that?
[16:17] <elfy> I don't know
[16:18] <knome> ~ubuntu-core-dev :P
[16:18] <bluesabre> today begins the daily pings :)
[16:18] <elfy> I suppose at the same time the xscreensaver/light-locker thing could be done?
[16:19] <bluesabre> yeah, we've got that MR in as well
[16:19] <elfy> ok
[16:20]  * elfy wonders why he's getting pinged to review this stuff ... would have more chance translating the Russian War and Peace into Cantonese
[16:20] <knome> lol
[16:20] <bluesabre> elfy: I added you since you're the head of testing
[16:20] <knome> elfy, you asked for information... ;)
[16:20] <bluesabre> so your approval means everything is A-OK!
[16:20] <elfy> ha ha ha
[16:21] <bluesabre> elfy, knome: have we decided on whiskermenu vs. xfce-menu?
[16:21] <elfy> I'm pretty sure we've not decided on anything much lately
[16:21] <knome> bluesabre, we're currently working on it with ochosi
[16:22] <bluesabre> ok
[16:22] <knome> well not like *right now*, but will land soonish
[16:22] <ochosi> should be finished asap, i hope tomorrow
[16:22] <knome> or at least be ready for voting/approval
[16:23] <elfy> ochosi: ooh nice :)
[16:23] <bluesabre> good good :D
[16:23] <ochosi> if we only have one proposed layout, i'm not sure voting is a good idea...
[16:23] <knome> ochosi, well, vote for the new or old layout
[16:23] <ochosi> anyway, feel free to check out my proposal in the whiskermenu wiki page
[16:24] <ochosi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu
[16:24] <ochosi> i also argue there why i'd change what i would change
[16:25] <ochosi> gotta go, bbl
[16:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: that's a good proposal
[16:32] <elfy> ochosi: and I'd agree with bluesabre there
[16:33] <bluesabre> knome: have we packaged the community wallpapers?
[16:33] <elfy> bluesabre: so ... I have tried and tried to get a launcher to appear in a menu using menulibre and I am failing miserably to do more than shout a lot
[16:33] <bluesabre> elfy: in the toplevel, or in a category?
[16:33] <elfy> anywhere but in menulibre :(
[16:34] <elfy> can't even get an empty to one appear
[16:34] <bluesabre> I'm assuming that you're hitting save when you add it?
[16:34] <elfy> yep
[16:34] <bluesabre> does the filename shown at the bottom of the launcher exist?
[16:35] <elfy> I've not got it open now - I moved on lol
[16:35] <bluesabre> ok
[16:35] <bluesabre> if you test it again, please note the following
[16:36] <bluesabre> when you save it, the filename that is displayed at the bottom of the window should be updated based on the new filename.  Navigate to that file and make sure it exists
[16:36] <bluesabre> also, try menulibre -v from the terminal
[16:37] <elfy> ok
[16:37] <bluesabre> so far, I've had issues with creating toplevel items (i.e. 1st menu level), but everything else works for me in several DEs in several distros, so I'll need to know whats going on :)
[16:38] <brainwash_> ochosi: can we move the whisker menu search bar and action buttons to the top? this way the user can access them faster from the panel
[16:38] <elfy> mmm - well I can't for instance add a launcher to Accessories - it just adds the launcher to between accessories and the next menu group
[16:39] <bluesabre> yeah, you can use the arrow buttons to move it into that menu (if the menu is expanded)
[16:40] <elfy> aaah - got that
[16:46] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - got further this time :)
[16:46] <bluesabre> oh goodie
[16:47] <elfy> but - even though menulibre thinks the launcher is in Accessories - it shows in System only
[16:47] <elfy> but it IS showing there :)
[16:47] <elfy> biab
[16:48] <bluesabre> you may have to save the launcher again once you move it
[16:49] <bluesabre> btw, I am taking this feedback to improve upon current features ;)
[17:00] <knome> brainwash_, did you read the wikipage ochosi linked?
[17:02] <elfy> bluesabre: saved a few times - won't appear in accessories - and is effectively a copy of the existing term launcher
[17:09]  * elfy sees someone setting bug priority to high on something that's fix released and wonders why bother
[17:11] <bluesabre> elfy: any output in the terminal?
[17:12] <brainwash_> knome: did I miss anything? :/
[17:12] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[17:12] <elfy> bluesabre: sorry - there was a bunch of output, but I'm right in the middle of a bunch - I'll have another go later and pastebin the output - with screenshots and notes to - so you can see exactly what's happening here
[17:13] <bluesabre> elfy: excellent
[17:13] <bluesabre> be sure to do menulibre -v too
[17:13] <elfy> yep
[17:13] <knome> brainwash_, yes you did.
[17:13] <elfy> we all had cake
[17:14] <brainwash_> but the cake is a lie
[17:14]  * elfy asks belly - belly says brainwash_ lies
[17:24] <jjfrv8> knome, ping
[17:48] <jjfrv8> knome, I may not be able to stick around so I'll post some of my questions and maybe you, or others, can enlighten me
[17:48] <jjfrv8> I've been working on the MenuLibre section of the Settings and Preferences chapter and then I saw the discussion here from earlier today
[17:48] <jjfrv8> I'm confused about the role of menulibre, especially if we decide to go with whiskermenu instead of xfce-menu
[17:48] <jjfrv8> as it stands now, it seems we need menulibre to edit the applications menu because alacarte is broken...
[17:49] <jjfrv8> but if we go with whiskermenu, I would think most of the basic editing functionality is built in there and menulibre would only be needed for really advanced stuff
[17:49] <jjfrv8> have I got that completely wrong?
[17:51] <elfy> you'd still need something to add new launchers to whisker menu I think
[18:17] <jjfrv8> bbl
[18:39] <knome> jjfrv8, yah, menulibre is still needed to edit the whiskermenu as well
[18:44] <elfy> knome: there's a draft doobywotsit at the blog for someone to look at
[18:44] <knome> doobywhat
[18:44] <knome> i'll look at it later today when i'm on my desktop machine
[18:45] <elfy> okey doke
[23:55] <knome> forestpiskie, edited the article


[12:31] <SEJeff> OT: http://xkcd.com/ <-- pretty good ubuntu joke
[01:23] <infinity> Anyone feel like writing a self-hosting toolchain that builds in a tenth of the time that glibc/gcc does?  kthx.
[01:23] <_ion> Ok, will do.
[01:23] <zul> sure...ill get right on it
[01:23] <infinity> Excellent.  Champions, the lot of you.
[01:23] <infinity> I look forward to your work.
[01:24] <jorgp> lol
[01:25] <Mez> infinity, I would do, but i've got work
[01:25] <plugwash> out of interest why exactly is this bootstrap needed?
[01:25] <plugwash> why can't new versions of gcc etc just filter in from debian like everything else?
[01:26] <infinity> We use far more cutting edge versoins of glibc than Debian does.
[01:26] <infinity> And we need to boostrap the toolchain to make sure it all gets along Just So.
[01:26] <lifeless> infinity: s/cutting/slicing and dicing/
[01:27] <infinity> Add to that the ABI breakage that we just landed in GCC (go us), and we have all sorts of fun.
[01:27] <lifeless> what did we do ?
[01:27] <ajmitch> ABI breakage is only ppc/sparc?
[01:27] <infinity> ajmitch: Yeah.
[01:27] <infinity> lifeless: Backported the ldbl-128 changes from 4.2 (better to eat the breakage now than later)
[01:28] <infinity> Here's hoping I get it all done before I need to be on a plane in 24 hours.
[01:29] <ajmitch> shoddy & expensive
[01:29] <infinity> ajmitch: What's connectivity like at the Auckland airport?
[01:29] <ajmitch> how long do you have to wait in auckland?
[01:29] <infinity> Ahh.  Expensive.  Awesome.
[01:29] <ajmitch> probably poor, I haven't tried recently
[01:29] <infinity> I have a couple/few hours, nothing drastic.
[01:30] <infinity> Customs?
[01:30] <infinity> From NZ to NZ, they don't generally care about what you're  importing. :)
[01:30] <plugwash> any particular reason for using such cutting edge versions? does it improve performance or something?
[01:31] <infinity> plugwash: Gives us some shiny features, and it can be handy to track upstream more closely.
[01:31] <ajmitch> well I'm coming from a domestic flight
[01:31] <ajmitch> there's some minimal checking on the way out, iirc
[01:31] <infinity> plugwash: It also gives us warm fuzzy feelings to be able to mention it to our users (who, for the most part, don't care, but think they should)
[01:31] <ajmitch> 1 hour should be plenty
[01:32] <lifeless> ajmitch: domestic->international in nz will mean no checking on the way into aukland, but regular emmigration on the way to the international flight
[01:32] <ajmitch> yeah, that's what I expect
[01:32] <infinity> I wonder if I'm in Auckland long enough to clear security and come back...
[01:33] <infinity> Not that there's any valid reason to do so, but then I'd have an NZ stamp in my passport. :)
[01:33] <mjg59> infinity: You've been in .au how long and you don't have an NZ stamp?
[01:33] <mjg59> Hell, *I've* got one
[01:33] <infinity> mjg59: Three years.  I know, it's sad.
[01:33] <infinity> Zofia and I kept meaning to vacation in .nz, but never got around to it.
[01:35] <mjg59> It's a nice place
[01:35] <infinity> So I've heard.
[01:35] <infinity> Lovely scenery and friendly poeple with funny accents.
[01:35] <infinity> Sounds good.
[03:33] <dabaR> Why does the gnome panel not ask me for my password when I run an administrative applet from the panel in edgy?
[03:34] <dabaR> Do you think it is a bug?
[03:34] <dabaR> A security bug!
[03:35] <dabaR> Anyhow, I thought you guys might want to be the first ones to know about it...
[03:35] <grndslm> soo...lvm is included in dapper, but not in edgy?
[03:35] <lifeless> its in edgy
[03:35] <grndslm> umm....not mine
[03:35] <grndslm> i tried pvscan, and no go
[03:36] <infinity> dabaR: The first one you opened probably triggered gksudo, and then your credentials were cached for a while.
[03:36] <lifeless> what do you mean
[03:36] <dabaR> infinity: nope...
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> grndslm: restart lvm
[03:36] <lifeless> (I'm typing from a machine using lvm/evms)
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> /etc/init.d/lvm restart
[03:36] <dabaR> I just opened the panel. And there is another person on #ubuntu talking about the same thing, I thought it was cause I use openbox.
[03:36] <grndslm> i had to install lvm2!! ...and still can't use pvscan, but maybe the restart will work
[03:36] <grndslm> brb
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Isn't lvm2 depended on by some low-lying metapackage!?
[03:37] <dabaR> actually, I blamed it on being high last night, but I remembered it cause this guy in #ubuntu is asking about it.
[03:37] <infinity> dabaR: Well, it's pretty much impossible for it to be running as root without some sort of su/sudo.  So it's either running as you (and effectively useless), or you have cached credentials.
[03:37] <grndslm> ok...did need a restart...but i thought it shoulda been installed by default
[03:37] <infinity> grndslm: We don't install it by default anymore, no.
[03:37] <lifeless> Fujitsu: the lvm core is, but not the lvm userspace
[03:37] <dabaR> infinity: look, I use Ubuntu since warty...
[03:37] <grndslm> ok...just checkin, thanks
[03:37] <infinity> grndslm: The general theory being that most people don't want or need LVM, and it just serves to confuse.
[03:37] <dabaR> infinity: it's not a joke...
[03:38] <grndslm> makes sense to me
[03:38] <lifeless> infinity: is the lvm2 userspace needed for lvm booting to work ?
[03:38] <Fujitsu> lifeless: Aha.
[03:38] <infinity> lifeless: Yes, it's where the initramfs hooks come from.
[03:38] <infinity> I think.
[03:38] <lifeless> so that his next reboot will work
[03:39] <dabaR> infinity: I just added a user to make sure.
[03:39] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm
[03:39] <infinity> lvm-common: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm
[03:39] <infinity> However, that hook script won't do much of anything useful without lvm2 installed as well.
[03:39] <dabaR> infinity: and succesfully logged in as him
[03:39] <lifeless> righto
[03:40] <lifeless> so, I trusted that it would just work, given that the lvm2 packages were auto-removed during upgrade.
[03:40] <infinity> lifeless: If you have a working initramfs, you don't need the userspace tools, of course, but the very next time your initramfs is generated without the userspace installed, you lose. :)
[03:40] <lifeless> boy am I glad I haven't rebooted recently
[03:41] <infinity> You might want to "update-initramfs -u" after reinstalling lvm2, if you're paranoid. :)
[03:41] <dabaR> So you guys are sure it was not a change in pam settings or something like that?
[03:41] <dabaR> Or sudoers, or something...
[03:42] <lifeless> infinity: doing so ;)
[03:43] <dabaR> Im in #ubuntu often...
[03:43] <lifeless> however, as its a xen box, its more a case of 'sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/xen0-linux-2.6.17-6-generic-xen0.initrd.img 2.6.17-6-generic-xen0'
[03:43] <infinity> lifeless: Hrm.  lvm2 being auto-removed due to the minimal->lvm2 dependency causing it to be "auto-installed" is a bit problematic, isn't it?
[03:43] <infinity> lifeless: You're the first person who's mentioned that...
[03:43] <lifeless> infinity: I would have thought so
[03:43] <lifeless> but like I say, I trust you guys not to hose my system :)
[03:44] <infinity> I don't. :P
[03:44] <Fujitsu> Another way to hose your system is to create an LVM snapshot immediately after installing.
[03:45] <Fujitsu> It sort of explodes, but then works after a reboot or two.
[03:45] <lifeless> I found one interesting thing
[03:47] <lifeless> which is that theres some geometry/translation thing
[03:48] <lifeless> makes my pv[2]  fail until I go into evms and out again
[03:48] <lifeless> very bizarre
[03:48] <lifeless> infinity: I'm guessing the devmapper uninstall is also problematic ?
[03:49] <lifeless> infinity: sorry, dmsetup
[03:50] <infinity> Don't know if anything you use would use dmsetup, but if so, "yes"?
[03:50] <lifeless> well, evms uses devmapper, dunno if it needs the dmsetup tools or not.
[03:51] <infinity> I see no calls to dmsetup in the evms initramfs scripts.
[03:52] <lifeless> easiest way is for me to do up a xen guest with evms, uninstall that shit and see what happens
[04:02] <infinity> Was this box a dapper->edgy upgrade, or an edgy->edgy upgrade?
[04:03] <infinity> Cause I didn't think we marked auto-installed packages in dapper (so the lvm2 autoremoval shouldn't happen in that case), now that I think about it.
[04:07] <lifeless> dapper->edgy
[04:07] <lifeless> its my home stable server
[04:08] <infinity> Hrm.
[04:08] <infinity> Fun.
[04:08] <lifeless> it started life a long long long time ago
[04:08] <grndslm> uh...anybody here got a treo 650 that they sync with ubuntu?
[05:00] <grndslm> soo...nobody here owns a palm treo, eh?
[05:00] <grndslm> i find that hard to believe
[05:01] <tritium> grndslm: support in #ubuntu please
[05:01] <grndslm> nobody there can support me
[05:02] <grndslm> i've tried to sync my 650 with ubuntu for the past 3 releases and it never works, no matter how many howtos i read
[05:43] <grndslm> why would i get a fsck.ext3 error at boot that says "unable to resolve UUID: 23fe9a9b02d-239....yada yada"?  even tho it says it's clean??
[05:52] <grndslm> ok....found why the fsck.ext3 error about UUID stops my boot process....but could you guys explain why the UUIDs are in my fstab to begin with?
[05:55] <Fujitsu> grndslm: Because Ubuntu uses UUIDs for all filesystems it can in Edgy.
[05:57] <grndslm> Fujitsu:  so...UUIDs should be in fstab?
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[05:57] <grndslm> hmm....interesting...well, i swapped out my second hard drive, so that's why i'm getting the error
[05:57] <grndslm> and i think i'm just gonna do a fresh re-install
[05:58] <grndslm> but while i'm gone...think about this:  to rephrase my suggestion from last night regarding moving the volume applet to the top-right corner....it would be the BETTER TRADEOFF, no?  if you don't agree, i don't think that you're practically thinking about the average desktop user and their usage of their desktop!   :D
[05:59] <grndslm> i feel like i'm gonna have to nag on that one issue 'til i'm dead...
[05:59] <grndslm> i'm out
[06:43] <StevenK> mpt: Are you able to push your glade changes for AboutWindow? Also, I'm unsure if I should just edit the spec's wiki page, since I've fixed the window closing bug, drag-n-drop now works, and Hardware Details now runs hal-device-manager. Does this make me a contributor? :-)
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <mpt> StevenK, awesome
[07:08] <mpt> StevenK, I still get "Not a branch" from your branch
[07:09] <StevenK> Um. Wierd.
[07:10] <StevenK> Who's the bazaar.l.n person we can throw this too? :-)
[07:10] <mpt> ddaa
[07:14] <mpt> who should be around in five hours or so
[07:15] <StevenK> mpt: Hrm. It just worked for me on my Edgy box here.
[07:15] <StevenK> bzr pull http://..../~stevenk/about-window/dev gives 3 revision(s) pulled
[07:15] <mpt> Can you do "bzr log sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stevenk/about-window/dev/" ?
[07:16] <mpt> oh, http works
[07:16] <StevenK> Neat.
[07:17] <StevenK> mpt: Rev 4 has been pushed, but hasn't hit http:// yet.
[07:17] <mpt> hmm
[07:17] <mpt> I think drag-and-drop should work without allowing selection
[07:17] <mpt> on the grounds that you never (or hardly ever) just want *part* of the version number
[07:17] <mpt> What do you think?
[07:18] <StevenK> Sounds reasonable, but how does one implement that? :-)
[07:18] <mpt> No idea :-)
[07:18] <StevenK> mpt: And should I just bend the wiki page to my will and remove some the bugs listed?
[07:18] <mpt> sure
[07:19] <StevenK> Kay. I'll do that when I get home in about an hour.
[07:19] <mpt> thank you
[07:20] <StevenK> Drag-n-drop without selecting text .... that's a nice tricky problem.
[07:21] <dholbach> we're past 70000 bugs!
[07:21] <dholbach> woah!
[07:31] <tarzeau> who knows about the cd mastering (glass) and production of ubuntu?
[07:37] <nixternal> is jdizzle the planet hacker around at all?  that is jdub ;)
[07:49] <mpt> StevenK, pushed the glade changes
[07:50] <mpt> tarzeau, nobody in this channel I think
[07:51] <mpt> tarzeau, actually, marilize might know :-)
[08:01] <pitti> Good morning
[08:01] <dholbach> heya pitti
[08:02] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[08:08] <ajmitch> hm?
[08:08] <pitti> on -changes
[08:08] <ajmitch> which bugs?
[08:08] <pitti> ooh, they are from October 23
[08:08] <ajmitch> old mail, perhaps
[08:09] <pitti> why did I get them just now?
[08:09] <ajmitch> I got some mail come through, I assumed it was my ISP being annoying
[09:06] <tarzeau> marilize: ping
[09:06] <tarzeau> mpt: thank yyou
[09:11] <marilize> hi tarzeau
[09:11] <jdub> hi marilize!
[09:11] <marilize> jdub! hellooo
[09:22] <bronson> Is there any way to build a package from CVS directories?
[09:22] <bronson> Seems to work fine except that the CVS dirs end up in the source package.
[09:23] <bronson> Then lintian complains...
[09:23] <bronson> Is there any way to keep my files in CVS and yet ensure that the CVS dirs don't end up in the source package?
[09:24] <pitti> bronson: use dpkg-buildpackage's -i switch
[09:24] <pitti> bronson: (or debuild -i, whichever you use)
[09:25] <bronson> pitti: that makes sense.  Thanks!
[09:25] <Hobbsee> /aaway
[09:25] <StevenK> Heh
[09:25] <Hobbsee> ouch
[09:26] <pitti> speling iz hadr
[09:37] <pitti> hi lloydinho
[09:38] <lloydinho> hi pitti!
[09:38] <lloydinho> Getting ready to go to west?
[09:39] <pitti> lloydinho: yeah, looking forward to it
[09:39] <tarzeau> marilize: do you know anything about cd glass mastering and production? real life example, w/ ubuntu?
[09:39] <tarzeau> marilize: like prices, business contact?
[09:39] <tarzeau> country, shipping etc
[09:40] <tarzeau> i have made GNUSTEPU that i'd like to press, version 1.0
[09:40] <lloydinho> pitti: I'm coming too, y'know.. so I'll see you on Sunday evening.. :-)
[09:40] <pitti> oh, nice!
[09:56] <tfheen> lloydinho: travels to .dk was fine?
[09:56] <lloydinho> tfheen: Yes, thank you. Only slight delight due to the ice on the ground.
[09:57] <lloydinho> s/delight/delay
[09:57] <lloydinho> weird typo..
[10:02] <pitti> ooh, new libc is in the archive
[10:02] <pitti> infinity: ^ does that mean the bootstrap is complete or is there still something missing?
[10:02] <infinity> I'm dangerously close to unfreezing feisty.
[10:02] <infinity> pitti: ldbl128 rebuilds happening now, THEN I thaw it.
[10:03] <infinity> Hoping to finish up before I have to catch my flight in the morning. :)
[10:03] <infinity> (should make it)
[10:03] <pitti> infinity: sounds like 'long double 128' -> is that a particular lib or so?
[10:04] <infinity> Slight gcc ABI change on powerpc and sparc, doing mass rebuilds of everything affected.
[10:04] <hunger> which gcc version will feisty be build with?
[10:04] <infinity> Or, rather, everything *possibly* affected, since measuring actual breakage looked a lot like effort.
[10:05] <infinity> hunger: 4.1... Ish.
[10:05] <hunger> infinity: So same as edgy?
[10:05] <infinity> Note the "ish".
[10:06] <infinity> But, other than the above-mentioned ABI break, it's pretty much the same as edgy, yes.
[10:06] <infinity> Shiny new binutils and glibc, though.
[10:06] <hunger> infinity: ish is something like post-but-pre-the-next-version?
[10:06] <hunger> infinity: with all those linker speedups?
[10:07] <Burgundavia> infinity plans on freezing feisty until feisty+1 opens, less buildd work :)
[10:07] <infinity> Not sure about "all", but there should be some bling in glibc 2.5, yes.
[10:07] <hunger> nice:-)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: haha
[10:07] <infinity> Burgundavia: More work when it's frozen, trust me.
[10:07] <infinity> Burgundavia: My job is 10-fold worse when the archive is frozen.
[10:08] <Burgundavia> hunger: the urge is getting stronger
[10:09] <hunger> Burgundavia: it definitly is.
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hunger: not long.  i'm thinking of adding a feisty partition tonight
[10:09] <infinity> It's nothing but a new toolchain so far.
[10:09] <hunger> maybe I should install xen and have a virtual feisty box instead.
[10:09] <infinity> Well, and a kernel, if you're painfully brave/stupid.
[10:10] <pitti> 2.6.19 runs happily on my iBook
[10:10] <pitti> I installed it to play with the new 'support pipes in core_pattern' stuff
[10:10] <hunger> infinity: Yes, I am painfully stupid when it comes to updating my linux distri:-(
[10:10] <fabbione> pitti: freezes on mind once in a while
[10:33] <whadar> is it possible for casper to persist over an NFS mount? i want home persistence over the network... i know this might be problematic cause nfs rw on unionfs doesnt play well
[12:28] <cbx33> If I wanted to identify a file, as to whether it was audio/document/movie/image is file the best way to go about it....I don;t want to rely on file extensions
[12:28] <Mez> mdz / cjwatson ping
[01:05] <mirak> hi
[01:06] <fernando> morning all
[01:06] <mirak> fglrx-kernel-source seems broken, or the name doesn't match the name that module assistant knows
[01:12] <kagou> how can i use evolution-dbg package ? Because i have some crash with evolution and i know that evolution-dbg is better to report crash logs
[01:19] <mirak> I filled a bug report
[03:32] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:33] <jonh_wendell> pitti: do you confirm lang pack updates for edgy-updates?
[03:33] <pitti> jonh_wendell: I prepare them and ask for testing, yes
[03:34] <jonh_wendell> pitti: when (do you think) will they available to people?
[03:35] <pitti> jonh_wendell: you can use the dailies for testing (feedback appreciated)
[03:35] <pitti> jonh_wendell: we just released edgy, so I won't update them again now
[03:36] <jonh_wendell> pitti: yes, i know that. i'm asking because last time we chatted you talked something about 1 month after edgy release. is it correct?
[03:37] <pitti> jonh_wendell: yes, start of December, when we'll also update the dapper packs
[03:38] <jonh_wendell> pitti: can you put here the line for edgy's sources.list?
[03:38] <pitti> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/daily/edgy-updates/ ./
[03:39] <jonh_wendell> pitti: thanks!
[03:43] <BenC> does "Breaks" work?
[03:44] <BenC> The kernel for feisty "breaks" the edgy wireless-tools package, and I don't want to add a conflict to the old version if Breaks will work
[03:48] <Keybuk> BenC: how do you feel about adding Depends: udev, initramfs-tools, etc. to the kernel?
[03:49] <BenC> Keybuk: I don't feel bad about it at all :)
[03:57] <BenC> Keybuk: Anything besides initramfs-tools and udev that are actual depends?
[03:57] <Keybuk> upstart?
[03:58] <zMott> where would I report a major bug in ubuntu networking?
[03:58] <Keybuk> Linux does kinda depend on /sbin/init
[03:59] <BenC> Keybuk: upstart isn't essentil?
[03:59] <BenC> zMott: launchpad.net
[04:00] <zMott> what area
[04:00] <zMott> this is not crashing the system
[04:00] <zMott> but its stalling out the network
[04:01] <BenC> Keybuk: upstart is Priority: required...do I really need to depend on it?
[04:01] <Keybuk> BenC: APT doesn't pay attention to priorities, no?
[04:01] <Keybuk> it's not like dselect, which actually installs everything <= standard unless you explicitly tell it not to
[04:02] <BenC> I'm just trying to think of a case where we may not want to depend on upstart
[04:02] <Seveas> people who don't like upstart?
[04:03] <Seveas> (then again, those people probably use custom kernels)
[04:03] <BenC> Keybuk: BTW, upstart is ignoring this line in my /etc/inittab
[04:03] <BenC> X:23:respawn:/bin/su root /usr/bin/startx
[04:03] <BenC> Keybuk: initctl list doesn't even show it
[04:04] <Keybuk> upstart doesn't parse /etc/inittab
[04:04] <BenC> it's a mame machine where I start the UI via inittab
[04:04] <BenC> Keybuk: Isn't that part of compatibility?
[04:04] <Keybuk> cat > /etc/event.d/startx << EOF
[04:04] <Keybuk> start on runlevel-2
[04:04] <Keybuk> start on runlevel-3
[04:04] <Keybuk> stop on runlevel-4
[04:04] <Keybuk> stop on runlevel-5
[04:04] <Keybuk> stop on shutdown
[04:04] <Keybuk> respawn /bin/su root /usr/bin/startx
[04:04] <Keybuk> EOF
[04:04] <Keybuk> no
[04:05] <Keybuk> upstart is not backwards compatible with sysvinit
[04:05] <Keybuk> it was never intended to be
[04:05] <jonh_wendell> iwj: can you take a look at bug 68663?
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68663 in firefox "[Edgy]  Incompatible with Google Toolbar." [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68663
[04:05] <Keybuk> at least, not from the system point of view
[04:05] <Keybuk> e.g. it doesn't parse /etc/inittab, it doesn't listen on /dev/initctl
[04:05] <BenC> how do I get it to reread the events?
[04:05] <Keybuk> it watches the directory with inotify
[04:06] <cbx33> is inotify easy to interface with in python
[04:06] <Keybuk> cbx33: I imagine someone has written a module by now
[04:06] <BenC> Keybuk: Thanks, it's started now
[04:07] <Keybuk> BenC: when you install upstart, it looks for common things in /etc/inittab and converts them to /etc/event.d files
[04:07] <Keybuk> but inittab is so utterly free form, it's very hard to do arbitrary things
[04:08] <BenC> Keybuk: Maybe mv inittab out of the way (/etc/inittab.upstart-disabled) and leave a file there explaining all this
[04:08] <Keybuk> BenC: too late now :)
[04:08] <Keybuk> edgy is released
[04:08] <BenC> what?!?! when did this happen!?! :)
[04:09] <Treenaks> BenC: you didn't get the memo?
[04:23] <dholbach> doko_: a shame you don't get karma for uploads yet
[04:25] <doko_> dholbach: nah, these are auto-generated
[04:25] <dholbach> :-)
[04:25] <seb128> dholbach: you say that because you beat doko number of uploads during the edgy cycle? :p
[04:26] <dholbach> wait for the "feisty results"! ROAR!
[04:26] <doko_> seb128: that will become difficult for feisty ...
[04:26] <doko_> seb128: do you have numbers?
[04:26] <seb128> doko_: 444 for dholbach
[04:26] <seb128> doko_: 441 for you
[04:26] <dholbach> muhuhuahhahahaha
[04:27] <seb128> :)
[04:27] <dholbach> seb128: how many for you?
[04:27] <seb128> dholbach: not the topic :p
[04:27] <dholbach> or as his friends call him  dput-sb
[04:28] <dholbach> i'm out - see you guys in a bit
[04:28] <seb128> dholbach: and I'm still scoring for edgy, I've uploaded a couple of other edgy updates today :p
[04:28] <dholbach> hehe
[04:28] <seb128> dholbach: drive safe :)
[04:28] <dholbach> just picking up the car
[04:28] <dholbach> brb
[04:28] <seb128> k
[04:28] <seb128> see you soon then
[04:42] <BenC> # kopt=root=UUID=880e2998-3bf0-4e8c-a437-89fac4b411d2 ro
[04:42] <BenC> # kopt_2_6=root=/dev/sda1 ro
[04:43] <BenC> anyone know why new installs still have that second line in grub's menu.lst?
[04:43] <BenC> it's sort of pointless to have this neat UUID stuff that's supposed to make pata upgrades to feisty work when the UUID isn't being used :)
[04:44] <doko_> pitti: ping
[04:48] <pitti> hi doko_
[04:49] <lastnode> pitti, got a sec?
[04:49] <pitti> lastnode: hello; what's up?
[04:51] <lastnode> pitti, regarding your conversation with Martin Meredith on http://www.upstreamdev.org
[04:51] <lastnode> i answered a lot of his concerns
[04:52] <pitti> great
[04:54] <_ion> I think the "pci, video, network, apt" checkboxes should be checked by default, and the user should be told to uncheck some of them *only* if she knows what she's doing.
[04:55] <lastnode> pitti, http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 , break a .deb or two if you like ;-)
[04:55] <lastnode> _ion, those are usability issues, read http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0#Release_Notes, some of them are addressed there
[04:56] <lastnode> this is an early alpha, so we still have only basic functionality. no polish at all :-)
[05:20] <sivang> hi all
[05:20] <sivang> is fesity open already?
[05:21] <pitti> sivang: not yet
[05:21] <sivang> pitti: ah, okay, I just saw tons of uploads to feisty-changes
[05:21] <sivang> pitti: of various stuff in main
[05:21] <EvanCarroll> I've got a really odd problem and I'm going to file a bug report on it, but I can't figure out enough information to make it really helpful, so I'm looking for ideas
[05:21] <pitti> sivang: just doko's rebuilds, I assume?
[05:22] <EvanCarroll> Yesterday night I rebuilt my /etc/network/interfaces script and today i notice something very strange, when i boot up, if it fails to get an ip address the whole system runs slow, almost like its borking acpi and throttling by 90%
[05:23] <_ion> You could start by showing your /etc/network/interfaces.
[05:23] <EvanCarroll> I can't figure out any more information, but the bottom for gnome for isntance, is about 3minutes if i run `ifup ath0`, where as if i shut the interface down its like 5 seconds
[05:23] <_ion> Also, use ifup -v ath0
[05:24] <EvanCarroll> let me get that interfaces, up, and the out put for -v didn't even know there was a v
[05:24] <EvanCarroll> nothing is being recorded to syslog
[05:25] <EvanCarroll> it should also be noted i'm using madwifi
[05:28] <EvanCarroll> hrm
[05:29] <EvanCarroll> this is the most screwed up thing I've ever seen.
[05:30] <thom> i'd suggest that something is trying to resolve a hostname
[05:31] <EvanCarroll> Yes, I think your right.
[05:31] <EvanCarroll> to some extent.
[05:31] <EvanCarroll> I mean aparently someone has it set to resync clcok with ntp.ubuntu.com
[05:31] <EvanCarroll> the script using static address so it makes it that far.
[05:31] <EvanCarroll> but the static address corresponds to a non-existant network
[05:31] <EvanCarroll> because I'm at work
[05:32] <EvanCarroll> and then I'm kind of lost, becuase it would see as if the termination of ifup indicates that it has timed out, and yet the performance lag doesn't recede. And the kicker is, that my gkrellium graphs don't show abnormal utilization, just that everything runs slow
[05:32] <EvanCarroll> as if it was throttled
[05:33] <EvanCarroll> so I think the bug lies somewhere in the assumption that every ifup on a static address will work, which in the case of wireless amongst others is surely not true
[05:33] <pitti> $ ls uploads/feisty/*.changes|wc -l
[05:33] <pitti> 25
[05:33] <pitti> *nnnng* must ... upload .. crack ... *nnng*
[05:35] <EvanCarroll> hrm
[05:36] <sivang> pitti: hmm, I have some problem with my .procmailrc , you were right :)
[05:38] <EvanCarroll> i'm attaching the strace, and ltrace, I'm just going to post it on launchpad
[05:45] <EvanCarroll> hrm
[05:45] <EvanCarroll> what should i file the bug in, I know it will just get reassigned anyway
[05:45] <EvanCarroll> ntp vs interfaces?
[06:01] <EvanCarroll> I filed it under netbase
[06:01] <EvanCarroll> bug num 70108
[06:02] <EvanCarroll> strace/ltrace/ifup -v/and the actual interfaces file are provided
[06:38] <jonh_wendell> who is the firefox mantainer? pitti?
[06:38] <pitti> jonh_wendell: iwj
[06:38] <jonh_wendell> pitti: thanks
[06:38] <pitti> I did some security updates, though
[06:38] <jonh_wendell> iwj: ping
[07:11] <cjwatson> jonh_wendell: always helps to say what you want, otherwise iwj will see your ping in two or three days and have to ask you then, rather than just knowing up-front
[07:12] <jonh_wendell> :)
[07:15] <tfheen> it also means people don't ping, then get a pong ten hours later and don't remember what they pung about.
[07:15] <Spads> that's why people ping instead of asking a question
[07:15] <Spads> if you don't answer, it was easier to just do something else instead
[07:16] <Chipzz> tfheen: aha
[07:17] <tfheen> Spads: bah, silly people.  There's nothing wrong with long-winded conversations which takes a few days to be completed because the answers are eight hours apart. :-)
[07:17] <Spads> haha
[07:18] <Spads> tfheen: no, but sometimes it's not worth it
[07:18] <Chipzz> tfheen: or freenode kicking them off the server because of a 'DDoS'
[07:18] <Spads> but yeah, contentless pings remind me sometimes of people who enter a technical channel and say "can I ask a question?" and then exit in a huff when nobody says "yes"
[07:19] <tfheen> Spads: if it's not worth it, then you shouldn't ping either. :-)
[07:19] <tfheen> Chipzz: oh, that too.
[07:19] <tfheen> Chipzz: wonderful IRC network we're on.
[07:19] <Chipzz> tfheen: anyway, what I meant
[07:20] <Chipzz> for illustration purposes I moved /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sqlite3.pc out of the way and ran configure for some program:
[07:20] <Chipzz> checking for SQLITE3... configure: error: Package requirements (sqlite3 >= 3.0) were not met:
[07:20] <Chipzz> No package 'sqlite3' found
[07:20] <Chipzz> the last line is from pkg-config
[07:20] <Chipzz> line 484
[07:21] <tfheen> yes, it is.
[07:21] <jonh_wendell> cjwatson: i've typed something to iwj early, but got no response so far.  Check http://www.ubuntu.com/pkgconfig?search=sqlite3" for how to install that package"
[07:28] <cjwatson> jonh_wendell: that hardly seems to be up to me ...
[07:29] <cjwatson> jonh_wendell: note that there's about to be a developer summit and so many of us are travelling; in fact, I should be packing now
[07:29] <cjwatson> jonh_wendell: if you actually want an answer to something rather than chatting, use e-mail rather than IRC
[07:30] <jonh_wendell> cjwatson: ok, i'll subscribe him so that he'll be notified by email. I hope he doesn't get furious with me :)
[07:34] <fdoving> mdz: could you take a look at the new patch added to bug 69583 ? (kopete icq fix, SRU) Thanks in advance.
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69583
[09:09] <mirak> does anyone knows how to rebuild a kernel image package from the source package and a specific target ?
[09:28] <codingmaster> join #launchpad
[10:18] <keescook> versioning question... I'm starting with 4.4.1-9.1build1, but going to 4.4.1-9.1ubuntu0.1 does not appear to evaluate as "newer".  Should this be 4.4.1-9.1ubuntu1 instead?
[10:20] <BenC> keescook: probably
[10:20] <keescook> BenC: okay.  I'm used to doing the .1 revs for security updates.  :)  thanks!
[10:22] <cjwatson> keescook: um
[10:22] <keescook> cjwatson: or should it be 1.1?  hmm
[10:22] <cjwatson> keescook: $ dpkg --compare-versions 4.4.1-9.1build1 lt 4.4.1-9.1ubuntu0.1; echo $?
[10:22] <cjwatson> 0
[10:23] <cjwatson> keescook: ubuntu0.1 is newer
[10:23] <cjwatson> that's just fine, "ubuntu" > "build"
[10:23] <keescook> cjwatson: that's weird... doing an upgrade of this fix for rpm didn't catch that it needed the new version of librpm4...
[10:23] <cjwatson> I think something else must be wrong
[10:24] <cjwatson> the version comparison algorithm alternates digit and non-digit chunks and compares each in turn numerically or lexicographically respectively
[10:24] <keescook> ew, yeah, the deps aren't strong...
[10:24] <keescook> librpm4 (3 4.4.2)
[10:24] <cjwatson> do they need to be? i.e. does ubuntu0.1 introduce new ABI?
[10:25] <keescook> no, I guess not.  librpm4 has the fix.  I was just surprised when it let me install the rpm_*.deb file without the matching librpm4_*.deb
[10:27] <cjwatson> sometimes binaries from the same package have (= ${binary:Version}) or similar deps
[10:27] <cjwatson> but it isn't required
[10:28] <keescook> cjwatson: yeah, I wasn't really thinking about ABI versions, which is what really matters for the Depends.  when this rolls into security, they'll both get installed due to build1 < ubuntu0.1, so no one will run into my think-o.
[11:13] <lifeless> ok, so ubuntu boot too fast :(
[11:14] <lifeless> edgy specifically tries to bring up lvm2 before all the discs are ready
[11:14] <lifeless> worth filing a bug ?
[11:30] <grndslm> are there issues with syncing a treo 650 in edgy??  because it doesn't create a device node, even after adding the visor module & creating the custom udev file telling it to create the dev node at ttyUSB*
[11:31] <Kaleo> hello
[11:41] <grndslm> are there issues with udev creating a device node for palm devices (specifically a treo 650) in edgy??
[11:42] <LaserJock> grndslm: you can check for bug reports on Launchpad
[11:42] <cjwatson> this sort of thing is rarely udev; it's more likely to be e.g. the kernel not exposing the right thing in /sys
[11:43] <cjwatson> I know nothing of the specifics here
[11:44] <grndslm> well, damn...i don't understand how the kernel can create the node in 2.6.12 & 2.6.15, but not 2.6.17...i could never get it to sync before, but now when people say jpilot works flawlessly, I can't even start to use jpilot
[11:46] <cjwatson> grndslm: exactly what device node is not being created that should be?
[11:46] <grndslm> ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1
[11:47] <grndslm> i figured it was because i didn't load the visor module, so i did that....and it loads properly, according to /var/log/messages....so i tried creating a custom udev file telling it to create the dev node at ttyUSB*, and still nothing
[11:47] <cjwatson> udev doesn't touch those at all
[11:48] <cjwatson> it just passes the kernel device name straight through
[11:48] <grndslm> according to ubuntuguide.org, the udev file has to be created
[11:48] <cjwatson> URL?
[11:49] <grndslm> it's on ubuntuguide.org....here's a quick jump, tho:  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_configure_PalmOS_Devices
[11:49] <leonel> Hello    I'd like to know  what Ubuntu Developers  and leaders think about  the  novell Ms  agreement
[11:50] <leonel> any link ?
[11:50] <cjwatson> grndslm: looks pretty bogus to me
[11:50] <grndslm> ok...well, there's still no device node either way, with or without that file
[11:50] <bhale> leonel: i imagine mark will blog it soon enough
[11:51] <bhale> leonel: watch planet.ubuntu.com for all kinds of opinions
[11:51] <bhale> dont expect them all to reflect ubuntu as a whole, though
[11:51] <cjwatson> grndslm: unless I'm much mistaken (and I concede I don't know udev as well as some), adding that file will break the rest of udev
[11:51] <bhale> go quoting it out of context etc
[11:51] <cjwatson> grndslm: because it uses = for matching things rather than ==
[11:52] <cjwatson> grndslm: that will cause all udev events to be changed to claim they're on the usb bus, are Palm Handhelds, etc., regardless of device
[11:52] <grndslm> so, you don't have any advice then?  other than to file a bugreport or wait it out?
[11:53] <cjwatson> and NAME{...} isn't documented in the udev man page so is probably wrong too
[11:53] <cjwatson> I'd look in /sys for ttyUSB* nodes
[11:53] <grndslm> ok
[11:53] <grndslm> but /var/log/messages should still say where the node is created, no?  it doesn't
[11:53] <jdong> out of pure curiousity, is it a bad idea (tm) to use the network inside a build script?
[11:54] <tfheen> jdong: yes, it won't work.
[11:54] <cjwatson> grndslm: I don't see why it would
[11:54] <grndslm> hmm....ok...i'll look in /sys
[11:54] <jdong> tfheen: well, it won't work on Ubuntu/Debian build servers :D
[11:54] <cjwatson> grndslm: /var/log/udev would be a better bet
[11:55] <grndslm> ok
[11:55] <jdong> never meant to see the light of official (tm) day
[11:55] <tfheen> jdong: it's a violation of policy and is frowned upon, but if it's just your own package nobody else cares much, I guess.
[11:55] <Burgwork> grndslm: from a member of the doc team, I can say that ubuntuguide is seriously crack and shoudl be avoided
[11:55] <grndslm> Burgwork, will keep that in mind
[11:55] <jdong> tfheen: ok... just trying to conserve some space/time on my end with building certain svn snapshot debs
[11:55] <jdong> the end output is the same regardless of how the source is obtained
[11:56] <jdong> so I guess not too much harm done :D
[11:57] <grndslm> cjwatson, definitely no ttyUSB anywhere in that log
[11:58] <grndslm> it's not gonna be a problem if i restart udev, is it?
[11:58] <leonel> bhale: Ok  thanks
[12:01] <grndslm> is it ok to restart udev?  don't wanna do it if it's gonna make my computer crap out
[12:02] <cjwatson> grndslm: remove that broken rule first
[12:02] <grndslm> did it already
[12:02] <cjwatson> then it should be fine
[12:02] <cjwatson> assuming you haven't applied any other weird crap since last starting udev :)
[12:03] <tfheen> udev watches the rules directory, so restarting it makes less sense
[12:04] <grndslm> ubuntuguide suggesting adding a rules file, which i did, but cj tells me that the suggestion itself made even lesser sense so i should remove it
[12:04] <grndslm> suggested
[12:04] <cjwatson> yeah, there's no particular need to restart it
[12:05] <grndslm> well, you're right 'cause there's still no dev node created
[12:07] <cjwatson> if you're in a hurry, just (a) file a bug and (b) create the device node manually
[12:07] <grndslm> wow...how do i create it myself
[12:07] <cjwatson> (you'd have to do that on every boot)
[12:07] <grndslm> i'm willing to learn
[12:08] <cjwatson> it's not guaranteed that this will work, if the visor module isn't actually working properly; but anyway
[12:08] <cjwatson> sudo mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0 && sudo ln -s ttyUSB0 /dev/visor
[12:09] <grndslm> i could change the link to /dev/pilot, right?
[12:09] <cjwatson> character major 188 minor 0 are the proper magic numbers for /dev/ttyUSB0
[12:09] <cjwatson> I misspoke, I meant /dev/pilot
[12:09] <grndslm> cool


[02:31] <Fatcola> Hey guys, I was hoping to get some help?
[10:10] <xubuntuuser> hi, there is screen tearing when i move windows around
[10:11] <xubuntuuser> using xubuntu 16.10
[10:11] <xubuntuuser> how to fix this?
[10:12] <_zsc_> I'm having trouble with my 780ti and 16.04.  I'm running dual monitors and getting an issue where only one monitor is working and on that monitor I cannot set a resolution higher than 1280*768.  Which driver should I be using?  I've tried a few at this stage.... cheers
[10:34] <akxwi-dave> i always go for the resitricted nvidia ones.. neve a problems there
[14:23] <Jayroro> Hello, I just installed Xubuntu and I have an Intel 7260 wireless card. I was able to find out how to get it to stop disconnecting every 30 seconds or so but now it's very slow. This made me think I should look into getting a more compatible card. Is there a commended AC wireless adapter for max compatibility?
[14:24] <GridCube> !wifi
[14:25] <Jayroro> I'm guessing you didn't read the entire question...
[14:27] <flocculant> Jayroro: actually that link points at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[14:29] <Jayroro_> Yes, I understand it had a list of cards and chipsets. However the chipset I am currently using "works" it just works terribly. I was looking for a suggestion of personal experience perhaps
[14:30] <flocculant> yea - I got that - not everyone in here speaks english as a first tongue so that could get missed unless it's obvious to them
[14:30] <flocculant> I can't actually answer - no wireless ;)
[14:31] <Jayroro_> I would prefer using wired but I would prefer not to dig through walls to run the cable
[14:31] <flocculant> :)
[14:32] <Jayroro_> see it's a but unstable...
[14:33] <flocculant> Jayroro_: have a read here - might help https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2319414
[14:36] <Jayroro_> Thanks for looking, however that discussion ended with them ruling out every card that was reccomended
[14:41] <Jayroro_> probably an ethernet bridge will be the easiest to get working
[14:41] <habbasi> Jayroro_: I'm using a PCE-AC68 without issues.
[14:42] <Jayroro_> thank you :)
[14:42] <habbasi> Jayroro_: It needs restricted drivers, though. So depending on your Open-source Nazi-ness...
[14:45] <Jayroro_> i'm not too concerned with that as long as it is supported
[15:16] <p4ul> I am trying to install xubuntu on my usb flash drive. How important is it to have a swap partition? I have 8GB RAM so I don't think I need a swap partition or am I wrong?
[15:17] <bekks> p4ul: Swap on an USB will be horribly slow, so just omit it.
[15:18] <p4ul> bekks: ok thank you!
[22:04] <jpt9> I just updated to 16.10 from 16.04, and I seem to be getting "thermald[954]: sysfs write failed trip_point_0_temp" about every 20 seconds or so in journalctl...
[22:05] <jpt9> I've looked around a bit -- I seem to have a generic /etc/thermald/thermald-conf.xml file.  (I couldn't find one earlier -- I tried running thermald with info logging enabled, which may have created that file.)
[22:05] <jpt9> However, as far as I can tell, the fans are doing what they're supposed to -- they rev up if I start a render in Blender, etc.
[22:07] <jpt9> Should I attempt to fix this, or is it fine?  (Computer is a ThinkPad X220 (Sandy Bridge).
[22:09] <jpt9> Hang on... just realized it might be looking for the config file somewhere else...
[22:14] <jpt9> No luck -- that didn't fix it.
[23:39] <phenom> How do you enable autologin on xubuntu 16.04?
[23:41] <gr1dl0ck> phenom: on what system?
[23:42] <phenom> gr1dl0ck, lightdm xubuntu 16.04
[23:42] <gr1dl0ck> are you using this on a VM?
[23:42] <phenom> no
[23:43] <gr1dl0ck> ok on a first install when you are asked to create a user and password there is an option there to enable autologin
[23:43] <gr1dl0ck> you need to tick/enable that
[23:44] <GridCube> you can also edit it from the user config
[23:44] <GridCube> or in the lightdm.conf file


[07:44] <ricotz> LocutusOfBorg, hello :), please take a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-16/1:16.0.6-17exp1 which breaks builds like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg/7:6.0-7ubuntu2
[07:45] <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, already discussed on -release :)
[07:45] <LocutusOfBorg> we need to start an ocaml transition or to kick out llvm-toolchain-16 for few days until the transitions settles down
[07:45] <ricotz> LocutusOfBorg, ah sorry (no backlog here)
[07:45] <LocutusOfBorg> I would like to avoid an ocaml entangling
[07:46] <LocutusOfBorg> if an archive-admin could kick it out, it would be really awesome
[07:46] <ricotz> dropping  llvm-toolchain-16 from -proposed sounds easy
[07:46] <LocutusOfBorg> yes indeed
[07:46] <LocutusOfBorg> and also the new version won't have anymore that strict dependency between archs
[07:46] <ricotz> thanks


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[20:22] <Bashing-om> wxl: UWN - Meeting Reports: please confirm the next meeting: "Community Council Meeting >> Thu, November 5, 5pm – 7pm" is a go, thanks.
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[00:02] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> oh damn, sorry I wrote the message in the wrong chat...
[01:31] <valorie> !dbgsym | Fire-Dragon-DoL
[01:31] <valorie> it's horrible, but there is a guide
[01:32] <valorie> and the kwin team will appreciate good crash reports
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> valorie- I have the sources set for Normal releases
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> I think it's been at least a couple releases since I've gotten a notification
[02:54] <valorie> I wouldn't think that it would wait for the .1 because that is about when your present release goes EOL
[02:54] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I wouldn't think so either
[02:55] <valorie> generally as I recall, it usually ticks in the next day after release, if not the day of
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> Figured I would ask, see if it's a known issue that people have had
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> Obviously I have no trouble just running the upgrade in a terminal
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:29] <otomo> Hi, I have this problem in Kubuntu 18.04 again, https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=138785 (couldn't change the login background in the settings). It's needed to edit that file the only way to change the sddm background? It will be solved or its intended like that?
[08:37] <acheronuk> otomo: yes, its a limitation of sddm that the backround is set with that
[08:42] <otomo> humm, but then it should be removed the graphical option if doesn't work. Anyway other KDE distros managed to make it work in previous versions (tested in virtualbox)
[08:48] <acheronuk> otomo: the GUI does work. you may need the latest 5.12.5 bugfix update for the kde-config-sddm package
[08:50] <acheronuk> otomo: just tested with the GUI https://i.imgur.com/RpmtBaL.png
[09:04] <otomo> I actually have 5.12.5, but doesnt work :(
[09:06] <otomo> but i dont remember if I did a logout or a fully restart (I think the last) but I will check again
[09:08] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[09:44] <otomo> after restart it doesnt work :(
[09:45] <BluesKaj> what doesn't work?
[09:47] <otomo> the graphical option to change the sddm background image
[09:48] <lordievader> otomo: What changes did you make graphically? And are those changes reflected in the configuration file?
[09:55] <BluesKaj> otomo, are you trying to change the image in system settings>startup&shutdown>login screen sddm>background?
[09:58] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Yes, https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=138785
[10:03] <BluesKaj> odd, I chose an image from a WallPapers file created in my /home/user and it works fine. Which kubuntu release are you running?
[10:03] <BluesKaj> otomo,^
[10:08] <lordievader> He is running plasma 5.12.5. acheronuk has the same version, and for him this works fine.
[10:08] <BluesKaj> yeah same here
[10:09] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.12.5 that is , but i haven't edited the conf file
[10:11] <bodiro> Will Kubuntu follow the 5.12-branch or even upgrade to 5.13 when available (without backports enabled)?
[10:15] <BluesKaj> bodiro, the upgrades eventually get to the regular repos, they just take a little longer
[10:16] <bodiro> I would appreciate that much.
[10:17] <batteronizer> Sorry, got disconnected, any response to my query?
[10:18] <BluesKaj> bodiro, usually by the time the versions get into the backports they are quite "mature" though
[10:19] <bodiro> BluesKaj: Might be, but I am not a friend of "backporting" ;-)
[10:20] <BluesKaj> batteronizer, you should repeat your question, since it's been a while
[10:20] <BluesKaj> bodiro, well that's your call :-)
[10:21] <bodiro> BluesKaj: If Kubuntu stays in the 5.12 branch an updates within that, I am fine with that. I thoght, until today, Kubuntu would stay with 5.12.4 til 20.04. So, it will be better than my expectations this way or another :-)
[10:39] <BluesKaj> me shrugs , like I said .....
[10:40]  * BluesKaj shrugs even ;-)
[10:40] <batteronizer> BluesKaj: hehe cool
[10:41] <batteronizer> Hi guys, I removed Firefox, installed Opera and set it as my default browser in Settings (18.04), but every time I click a link in an application like Telegram, it opens in Kate
[10:41] <batteronizer> Instead of Opera
[10:41] <batteronizer> How can I fix this?
[10:46] <lordievader> bodiro: The Ubuntu repos should remain at the plasma version at the time of release. It is the backports ppa which gets updated to newer releases.
[10:48] <BluesKaj> batteronizer, system settings>applications>file associations, type html into the field, then click html in the list and choose opera in the application preference order
[10:48] <lordievader> batteronizer: What is set in System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser ?
[10:49] <batteronizer> BluesKaj: Cool, lemme try that
[10:49] <batteronizer> lordievader: Opera
[10:50] <lordievader> batteronizer: Did you reboot after setting that?
[10:50] <lordievader> Or at least log out - log in?
[10:50] <batteronizer> lordievader: yup, several times
[10:51] <batteronizer> BluesKaj: Thanks, that fixed it
[10:51] <bodiro> lordievader: that I thought until today. I have no backports enabled, but plasma was updated from 5.12.4 to 5.12.5 today.
[10:51] <BluesKaj> cool :-)
[10:51] <otomo> @BluesKaj 18.04 updated today
[10:51] <batteronizer> BluesKaj: It's weird that file associations needed to be tinkered with, even though the default browser should be enough
[10:52] <otomo> 18.04 (upgraded a couple of weeks ago), updated today
[10:52] <lordievader> batteronizer: What is the content of `~/.config/mimeapps.list`?
[10:53] <batteronizer> lordievader: it's pretty huge
[10:53] <batteronizer> Any keywords I should search for?
[10:53] <lordievader> `x-scheme-handler/http`
[10:54] <batteronizer> It is set to firefox.desktop
[10:54] <batteronizer> lordievader: Infact a lot of entries point to firefox and chrome which are not installed.
[10:55] <lordievader> Not sure if an opera.desktop is defined, but if there is you want to set it to opera.desktop.
[10:55] <lordievader> Telegram probably opens those links through xdg-open.
[10:55] <batteronizer> Is this documented anywhere?
[10:58] <lordievader> Err, not sure... This man page might help: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/xdg-mime.1.html
[10:59] <BluesKaj> lordievader, my ~/.config/mimeapps.list shows chrome as default in x-scheme-handler/http and https, odd that opera wasn't here in his settings
[11:00] <BluesKaj> here=there
[11:00] <lordievader> Not sure if System Settings even changes that file.
[11:01] <BluesKaj> perhaps after a reboot
[11:10] <otomo> now I know why failed
[11:10] <otomo> in the route of the image was names with graphic accents and spaces
[11:10] <otomo> it should work anyway, but it was the reason that it couldn't in this version
[11:11] <otomo> should I report it as bug in KDE
[11:11] <otomo> ?
[11:56] <lordievader> otomo: Not if it is the same bug as mentioned in the forum post.
[12:04] <Guest76304> Hello, Discover app close unexpectedly when I try to search for some app, some help?
[12:04] <Guest76304> someone can help me?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Guest76304, https://askubuntu.com/questions/160897/how-do-i-search-for-available-packages-from-the-command-line
[12:05] <lordievader> Guest76304: Open it in a Konsole and see if you get a hint that way.
[12:06] <batden> or use muon package manager
[12:07] <Guest76304> how i open it in the console?
[12:08] <lordievader> Err, I suppose issue `discover`, but I have no idea how the program is named.
[12:10] <Guest76304> im trying diferent thing lets see what happend
[12:31] <Orlando_Reynoso> yes
[12:33] <Orlando_Reynoso> trying to upgrade by terminal got this
[12:33] <Orlando_Reynoso> Postfix (main.cf) configuration was untouched.  If you need to make changes,
[12:33] <Orlando_Reynoso> edit /etc/postfix/main.cf (and others) as needed.  To view Postfix
[12:33] <Orlando_Reynoso> configuration values, see postconf(1).
[12:33] <Orlando_Reynoso> After modifying main.cf, be sure to run 'service postfix reload'.
[12:33] <Orlando_Reynoso> Running newaliases
[12:41] <lordievader> Ok? Does postfix fail to start because of it?
[15:32] <amundsen> hi
[15:33] <amundsen> which is the most popular cd ripper nowdays?
[23:11] <juacom99> hi, quick question, i made a fresh install of 18.04. i turn on the Bloq Num in Input->Keyboards->Bloq Num on plasma start ->Active. But every time i start my machine the bloq num is off. any ide why?
[23:17] <genii> Is Bloq Num the NumLock ?
[23:45] <Dragnslcr> Any suggestions for an onscreen keyboard? Preferably Qt, you know, just because.


[00:06] <wgrant> Well, that was easy.
[00:06] <wgrant> (making breadcrumbs depend on facet, not host)
[07:15] <wgrant> And there we go. All working on a single webapp vhost.
[07:25] <StevenK> And how large is the branch
[07:26] <wgrant> Only around 3500 lines so far. 2/3 of that is just mechanical changes: help paths, removing CodeLayer and TranslationsLayer restrictions.
[07:26] <wgrant> (several branches, of course)
[07:32] <wgrant> 200 lines of breadcrumb changes, 1000 lines of help rework, 1800 lines of view delayering (good lord, our ZCML is terrible), 400 lines of facet menu changes.
[07:36] <wgrant> Remaining things are probably just: standardising some old default view names; fixing non-rootsite canonical_url calls to do the right thing; renaming TranslationsLayer:DistroSeries:+admin to something that doesn't conflict with DistroSeries:+admin; and possibly renaming a few translations views like +export and +import to be slightly more namespaced.
[08:02] <StevenK> Distroseries:+translation-admin ?
[08:03] <StevenK> I'm guessing it is not really landable in it's current state.
[08:03] <wgrant> Yeah, that was the plan.
[08:03] <wgrant> Two of the branches are completely landable, another one probably is.
[08:08] <wgrant> (DistroSeries:+admin is the only name conflict in the entire application... we've made such good use of the subdomains...
[08:12] <StevenK> Hah
[08:22] <StevenK> One thing I'm worried about is bookmarks.
[08:24] <wgrant> I'm not sure it's worth redirecting eg. bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad to +bugs. We can probably just redirect to launchpad.net/launchpad and let people sort their bookmarks out slightly.
[08:24] <wgrant> (that lets us do a plain Apache redirect from the old webapp subdomains. much cleaner)(
[08:58] <StevenK> I remain unconvinced.


[20:31] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, is it not possible to have per-window menubars with gtkapplication and gmenumodel?
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> possibly a question for desrt ;)


[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[10:29]  * dholbach goes and gets more coffee
[11:24] <silverlion> o/
[13:59] <dholbach> dpm_, here's a mix of a radio show of a friend of mine - you might like some of the music being played: http://www.mixcloud.com/FreakAssE/the-freakouternational-radio-show-23-051214/
[13:59]  * dpm_ turns speaker on
[14:00] <dholbach> at around 30:00 he invites another guy to play - the guy promises to play "kinky swing" :)
[14:00] <dpm> "Berlin's finest shellack DJ"... that sounds promising
[14:11] <silverlion> o/
[14:28] <dpm> dholbach, the swing part of the mix is really good (the rest is not really my thing) - say good work to your friend :)
[14:30] <dholbach> :)
[17:34] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great rest of your day and see you tomorrow!
[18:49] <silverlion> pleia2 : ping
[18:49] <pleia2> silverlion: pong
[18:50] <silverlion> pleia2 : man you are fast ^^
[18:50] <silverlion> pleia2 : I'm pinging you because belkinsa made me aware of your questionaire for ubuntu women
[18:50] <pleia2> not mine, I'm taking a cycle off from ubuntu women :)
[18:51] <silverlion> pleia2 : oh. you are mentioned as a contact on the blog
[18:51] <silverlion> so I thought you knew a little more
[18:51] <silverlion> my bad
[18:51] <pleia2> yeah, that's a little dated now
[18:51] <silverlion> enjoy your day ;)
[18:51] <pleia2> best to ask all questions related to that over in #ubuntu-women or on our mailing list :)
[18:52] <silverlion> kk thanks pleia2
[18:52] <silverlion> and sorry for disturbance
[18:52] <pleia2> no need to apologize, hope you find what you're looking for
[18:53]  * silverlion would like to get his hands on the code behind that questionaire ;)
[18:53] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women/ubuntu-women.org/orienting-quiz
[18:55] <silverlion> pleia2 : thankx
[19:50] <pleia2> does anyone aside from dholbach have access to ubuntu-communit-team for moderation?
[19:50] <pleia2> he's the only one listed as an admin, but moderators aren't listed so figured I'd ask
[19:51] <pleia2> (I'm not volunteering, after sounder I quit from these community discussion lists ;))
[19:53] <popey> yes
[19:53] <popey> i do
[19:53] <popey> done
[19:53] <pleia2> thanks :)
[19:53] <popey> we both run listadmin on that list multiple times a day, so it's not usually long before moderated mails get through
[19:54] <pleia2> good to know
[19:54] <popey> however, now you know, feel free to ping me ☻
[22:31] <pleia2> who is our community phone person these days, popey?
[22:32] <pleia2> I need a who does what chart :)
[22:33] <pleia2> (not for phone, for the community team people)


[19:26] <stackmon> so, screen tearing when scrolling firefox, is there a fix?
[19:27] <wxl> stackmon: most likely, it's a kernel issue of some kind. i'm not seeing it.
[19:27] <stackmon> k, thinking it may be intel graphics driver issue
[19:27] <wxl> most likely
[19:27] <wxl> in any case, it's not an issue affecting just lubuntu
[19:28] <wxl> so you may want to cast your net a little wider when searching
[19:28] <wxl> maybe post up something on stackexchange or askubuntu or even ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel
[20:10] <Ascavasaion> I have an old Pc I want to set up in my garage for music, a little Internet searching, viewing PDF manuals, and IRC.  it is an ancient Athlon 900Mhz with 256MB RAM. How would lubuntu fair on a machine with those specs?
[20:11] <genii> Might need another 256
[20:12] <Ascavasaion> genii: Hmmmm, any other suggestions?  Puppy linux runs nicely on it but the wireless USB wifi dongle is not working, even with drivers.
[20:13] <genii> Possible Tiny Core Linux
[20:14] <genii> ..although for the wifi drivers... anyone's guess there
[20:14] <Ascavasaion> bodhi Linux popped up in y searches.
[20:16] <Unit193> I wouldn't try Lubuntu on that as-is, I'd either be trying Debian or AntiX here.
[20:23] <Ascavasaion> I just need somethign old that will run the wifi.
[20:23] <Ascavasaion> wifi USB dongle
[21:52] <Quantos> I'm having a hard time getting wallpaper to show on my second monitor, the monitor and display works properly, but I just can't get it to show wallpaper
[21:52] <Quantos> KDE latest version
[21:53] <Quantos> It shows the login screen just fine
[21:53] <Quantos> Not sure if that means anything
[21:54] <wxl> Quantos: kde? this is related to lubuntu how? XD
[21:54] <Quantos> Oh crap, wrong window again
[21:54] <Quantos> I hate mornings
[21:54] <Quantos> Sorry guys
[21:54]  * wxl slides some coffee over to Quantos
[21:54] <Quantos> Thanks man, appreciate it
[21:55] <genii> oooo coffee
[21:55] <Quantos> Typo one letter and you look a fool ;)
[21:55] <wxl> not a fool, Quantos
[21:55] <Quantos> Oh, I know, it's because I'm running KDE on LUbuntu
[21:55] <wxl> sometimes people do weird things
[21:55] <wxl> LIKE THAT
[21:55] <Quantos> That's what it is
[21:55] <Quantos> LMAO
[21:56] <wxl> what version?
[21:56] <wxl> of the os
[21:56] <Quantos> Oh, I know wxl, I'm just poking fun of myself
[21:56] <Quantos> It's not the OS's fault, works fine in other desktops
[21:56] <wxl> oic
[21:56] <wxl> so it's a ummmmmmm plasma problem then eh?
[21:56] <Quantos> I'm just not awake enough
[21:56] <Quantos> Is there any other kind of problem to have this early in the day?
[21:57] <wxl> Quantos: might want to check you're fully clothed before going outside
[21:57] <wxl> all seriousness aside, though, look in desktop settings
[21:57] <Quantos> Sure, now you tell me
[21:57] <Quantos> Neighbors phoned the cops of course....
[21:57] <Quantos> Yeah, I can find where it lets me assign the second monitor
[21:58] <wxl> well i think each monitor uses its own desktop settings
[21:58] <wxl> confirmed
[21:58] <Quantos> I wouldn't be surprised
[21:58]  * wxl is running kubuntu at work. (shhh don't tell genii)
[21:58] <Quantos> I can't seem to get display settings to come up on the second monitor
[21:59] <wxl> right click on the desktop, Quantos
[21:59] <Quantos> Anyway, I appreciate the help, but I'm going to wander off to the correct channel...
[21:59] <wxl> k good luck
[21:59] <Quantos> Nothing happens
[21:59] <Quantos> Okay, and thanks man
[21:59] <wxl> if you need help, i guess there's a few kde friendly folks around here :)
[21:59] <Quantos> LOL
[21:59] <Quantos> My doctor tells me I'm beyond hope....
[21:59] <Quantos> The voices and such you see?
[22:00] <Quantos> LMAO
[22:00] <wxl> yes i DO see the voices
[22:01] <Quantos> Uhoh, my Dr might wanna see you too then
[22:01] <Quantos> At least you'll get the interesting meds from him