[06:47] <Kilos> morning all
[06:51] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[06:51] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[06:52] <Trixar_za> You get sakis3g to work on Arch?
[06:52] <Kilos> no its on um
[06:52] <Kilos> crunchband
[06:52] <Trixar_za> crunchbang
[06:53] <Kilos> but i cant even extract it there
[06:53] <Kilos> no right click extract thingie
[06:54] <Kilos> so i extracted it on ubuntu and took there but no right click run in terminal goodie
[06:54] <Kilos> i will ask the monkey what he did
[06:55] <Kilos> crunchbang is rather different
[06:55] <Kilos> cant even drag/drop from stick to desktop
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:37] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:48] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:48] <Kilos> hi zeref
[07:52] <Trixar_za> Kilos, you could use gunzip sakis3g.gz to extract it
[07:52] <Trixar_za> from a terminal window
[07:52] <Kilos> eish didnt even think of that Trixar_za
[07:53] <Kilos> but then id have to have the correct path to the stick as well
[07:53] <Kilos> too much to think of
[07:53] <Kilos> i find it easier to drop stuff on desktop and then the path is easy
[07:53] <Kilos> ~/Desktop/
[07:53] <Kilos> hehe
[07:54] <Trixar_za> True. With my windows manager, I just right click and click Open in Terminal
[07:54] <Trixar_za> No, File Manager, not Windows Manager
[07:54] <Kilos> ya i dunno whats with crunchbang so need to spend time with it first
[07:55] <Kilos> oh i saw one of them there
[07:55] <Kilos> hehe
[07:55] <Trixar_za> http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-Nxqm2p7/0/950x10000/i-Nxqm2p7-950x10000.jpg
[07:55] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:55] <psyatw> hi zeref
[07:55] <psyatw> hi Trixar_za
[07:56] <Trixar_za> Hey psyatw
[08:15] <Kilos> all the time i thought it was ubuntu battling to see my modem. its debian not ubuntu
[08:16] <Kilos> after 12.04 ubuntu fixed it but dont seem to have told debian about it
[08:16] <Kilos> the crunchbang os sees my cell phone fine
[08:19] <Kilos> sorry ubuntu!
[09:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> so
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> the wife has been nagging me to put "that linux stuff" on her laptop
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> for .... years
[09:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:02] <Kilos> shame on you
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> so last night i gave her a flash installer
[09:02] <Kilos> you made her do it?
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> installed it on her own, now i'm playin tech support
[09:02] <Kilos> cool
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> "yay I is NEERD!"
[09:03] <Kilos> what os?
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuhhhhh yeah, ok nerd
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> kubuntu
[09:03] <Kilos> nice
[09:03] <Kilos> now you can call her geek chick when you get home
[09:04] <Kilos> she will spread the word quick to friends and so
[09:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> she's quite smart
[09:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> a few years ago i got tired of her screwing up her windows xp install every 6 months, so i gave her the cd and made her install it herself
[09:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> that install lasted almost 2 years
[09:05] <Kilos> must be if she has been nagging for years to get away from winsucks
[09:06] <Kilos> lol
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> 99.9% of her PC time is spent in a browser so it doesn't much matter what she uses
[09:06] <Kilos> ya but the virii do
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh and pidgin/skype
[09:06] <Kilos> now just get her to install the firewall
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> nah, no need
[09:07] <Kilos> gufw on ubuntu dunno on kde
[09:07] <Kilos> oh
[09:07] <magespawn> good day
[09:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[09:07] <Kilos> missed you last night
[09:08] <magespawn> yup was at SGB meeting
[09:08] <Kilos> SGB?
[09:08] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:09] <magespawn> School Governing Body
[09:09] <Kilos> i had to fight my daughter in aus for years to try ubuntu ThatGraemeGuy
[09:10] <Kilos> when her pc crashed so bad she couldnt use it she tried ubuntu and said wow this is awesome
[09:10] <Kilos> whats news about their going ubuntu magespawn
[09:11] <Kilos> some new okey asked a question here yesterday and i dint know what to tell him
[09:12] <magespawn> i have set up a pc with ubuntu server with school tool and ownCloud, so now it is just setting the school tool db up properly
 Hi..what is best practise scenario for Ubuntu server & adsl + 5 users. server = proxy, domain,website, small webapp, samba share, backups.
[09:12] <Kilos> must been a school kid or so
[09:15] <magespawn> not a good idea to host a website on it, even more so it you are going to have it accesible from the outside
[09:15] <magespawn> let me scroll
[09:15] <Kilos> ai!
[09:16] <Kilos> 13.50 yesterday
[09:18] <magespawn> thats is all they said, there are lots of tutorials and instructions for each of thos topics on there own
[09:18] <Kilos> like i say i didnt know what to tell him
[09:18] <Kilos> sigh
[09:19] <Kilos> whats wrong with a website on it?
[09:19] <Kilos> isnt it safer than a sucks one
[09:20] <magespawn> yes but the traffic side of things might get too much for the adsl, and the isp might have a fair usage policy in place
[09:20] <Kilos> ah
[09:23] <magespawn> the proxy should be fine, you could run squid for that, the web app might be a problem depending on the size and number of users etc
[09:23] <Kilos> hi Julius129
[09:24] <Kilos> 5 he said
[09:25] <magespawn> not sure, maybe somebody like superfly
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> the biggest problem hosting a busy site on ADSL is that the upload speeds aren't great
[09:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> they're geared for the end user, so you get 4mbps download, but only 1mbps upload, for example
[09:27] <magespawn> depending on the adsl the download isn't great either
[09:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> and when people are using your site over your adsl its the upload that is important to them
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> also because HTTP runs on top of TCP, which is constantly sending acknowledgement of receipt of packets, if you are downloading heavily on your adsl, then upload is affected too even if there isn't much actual upload going on at the time
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh, i feel like i explained that quite badly :-/
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> tl;dr adsl isn't good for hosting web stuff beyond brief test/demo scenarios
[09:30] <Kilos> you shoulda told him ThatGraemeGuy ,i'll never remember all that
[09:30] <Kilos> maybe he googled
[09:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[09:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i didn't notice the question yesterday
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> feel free to mention me next time to make quassel pop up a notification
[09:31] <magespawn> copy/paste
[09:31] <Kilos> if you not so busy during the day can i call you when im syuck like that
[09:31] <Kilos> ah ty
[09:31] <Kilos> dont like just bugging you guys
[09:32] <Kilos> maybe he will come back today
[09:33] <Kilos> its scrolling to find everything magespawn this one wasnt too far luckily
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can bug me any time, if i'm busy then i'll say so
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> but feel free to try if you need some help
[09:36] <magespawn> like wise
[09:38] <Kilos> ty guys
[09:56] <Kilos> wbb, moving crunchbang to other pc
[11:24] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:28] <magespawn> hi charl_
[11:50] <nlsthzn> o/
[11:52] <charl_> hi magespawn
[11:54] <Kilos> ai!
[11:56] <charl_> hi Kilos
[11:56] <charl_> what's up
[11:56] <magespawn> ai?
[11:56] <Kilos> hi charl_
[11:56] <Kilos> mbr disappeared
[11:57] <Kilos> was running upgrade and pc rebooted and drive was gone except in bios
[11:57] <Kilos> used ubcd to install standard mbr and activate first partition
[11:58] <Kilos> now it makes like i got synaptic or update manager running when only xcht is going
[11:58] <Kilos> grrr
[11:58] <charl_> weird
[11:59] <Kilos> its an old scrap drive that i got going again
[11:59] <Kilos> 500g so cant let it go to trash
[12:02] <Kilos> A new version of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but   │
[12:02] <Kilos>  │ the version installed currently has been locally modified.
[12:02] <Kilos> hehe
[12:02] <Kilos> something sicker
[12:03] <Kilos> lotsa options
[12:03] <Kilos>   install the package maintainer's version                           │
[12:03] <Kilos>  │        keep the local version currently installed                         │
[12:03] <Kilos>  │        show the differences between the versions                          │
[12:03] <Kilos>  │        show a side-by-side difference between the versions                │
[12:03] <Kilos>  │        show a 3-way difference between available versions                 │
[12:03] <Kilos>  │        do a 3-way merge between available versions (experimental)         │
[12:03] <Kilos>  │        start a new shell to examine the situation
[12:03] <Kilos> sorry for the spam
[12:04] <Kilos> installed mbr and grub-pc from terminal
[12:08] <Kilos> nearly lost unity 12.04
[12:13] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[12:13] <Kilos> seems ok now.
[12:14]  * Kilos wipes brow
[12:17] <Kilos> wbb. gonna connect kde and maverick and hold thumbs
[12:38] <Squirm[M]> Afternoon
[12:45] <charl_> hi Squirm[M]
[12:46] <Squirm[M]> Hey charl_
[12:49] <Vince-0> Haai oom Kilos
[12:49] <Kilos> lol
[12:55] <Squirm[M]> Hi Vince-0, Kilos
[12:56] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[12:56] <Kilos> whats with the extras
[12:56] <Kilos> Squirm[M],
[12:56] <Kilos> mobile?
[12:56] <Squirm[M]> Yep
[12:56] <Kilos> ah
[12:57] <Squirm[M]> Need to work out my password for znc so I can connect to it from my cell
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> i tried to irc on my mobile
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> its less than optimal
[13:36] <trender> question..
[13:36] <trender> does apple laptop work lekker with iphone ??
[13:36] <trender> is it a sensible combo
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> huh?
[13:37] <trender> do people still want apple laptops ?
[13:38] <trender> some oke wants to swop apple laptop for pc laptop
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess they do or they'd be out of that business by now :)
[13:38] <trender> and i dont know anything about apple
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> they're decent hardware, not a fan of the OS but that's probably just because i've never really needed to learn to use it properly
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> overpriced in my opinion, but solid machines from what i understand
[13:39] <trender> the laptop spits out the cd with no tray just like a coinslot seems very primitive
[13:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> its slimmer and i'd imagine less prone to breakage
[13:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't break a tray if it doesn't exist
[13:40] <trender> yea guess so
[13:40] <trender> and cant touch the optics either
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> Symmetria is a Machead i think
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> but probably not laptop
[13:42] <trender> apple is pricey
[13:52] <magespawn> Symmetria has windows on the photo/video machine
[13:52] <magespawn> trender: is there anything wrong with the apple?
[13:56] <trender> nothing wrong with the apple
[13:56] <trender> they say its a 2006 machine
[13:57] <trender> so i dont know if i want to trade a win laptop for a mac os
[13:57] <trender> could be a lemon deal
[14:00] <charl_> a lemon deal?
[14:00] <Kilos> surely you can install whatever os you want on it?
[14:00] <charl_> a sour deal?
[14:00] <Kilos> or does apple block others
[14:01] <Kilos> get the machines specs and compare it with yours
[14:01] <Kilos> trender^^
[14:01] <Kilos> some peeps want nothing but apple
[14:02] <trender> apples dont compare with win laptops
[14:02] <trender> apples dont compare with oranges :)
[14:02] <Kilos> specs wise?
[14:02] <Kilos> hardware man
[14:02] <trender> i dont know the specs man apples work completely different
[14:03] <Kilos> there must be  a way to get the specs
[14:03] <trender> apple is like linux except you pay through the nose :)
[14:03] <Kilos> google the model
[14:03] <trender> value about R2500
[14:03] <Squirm[M]> There's always specs involved trender
[14:04] <trender> according to ebay
[14:04] <Squirm[M]> And you can run Windows if it has an intel processor
[14:04] <Kilos> what model
[14:04] <trender> i dont know the hardware specs man
[14:04] <Kilos> a second hand quad is better than a new dual core
[14:04] <Kilos> give me the model
[14:05] <Squirm[M]> I guess it should run linux cause afaik osx is based on unix
[14:05] <trender> getting the specs smsed as we speak
[14:06] <trender> owned by one black gentleman who apperently doesnt wash his hands
[14:06] <Squirm[M]> Probably be a dual core
[14:06] <Kilos> cant one install anything on them Squirm ?
[14:06] <trender> yes 2006 where dual cores
[14:06] <Squirm[M]> Kilos: if it has an Intel processor
[14:06] <Kilos> ya
[14:07] <trender> its a white laptop but its almost black :(
[14:07] <Squirm[M]> trender: you can clean it...
[14:07] <trender> yea i can i know
[14:07] <Kilos> what model?
[14:08] <trender> wife owns an iphone and likes the idea of an apple
[14:08] <Kilos> macbook pro?
[14:08] <trender> i dont know kilos waiting on the specs now
[14:09] <magespawn> OSX is based on BSD, i would need to check but you might be able to get a linux version running on it
[14:09] <magespawn> apple hardware ans software is awesome for a closed source
[14:11] <Kilos> why does he want to swop?
[14:12] <charl_> i used to run ubuntu on my macbook pro but that was an intel-based mac
[14:12] <trender> he dont want apple
[14:12] <charl_> debian used to compile for powerpc\
[14:12] <trender> he wants win laptop
[14:12] <trender> wants to do a swap
[14:12] <Kilos> ah
[14:13] <charl_> if it's an intel he can just run windows
[14:13] <charl_> apple even provides official drivers
[14:13] <trender> some oke owed hom money and gave him the apple laptop
[14:14] <magespawn> okay then, check that it is not obviously stolen
[14:14] <charl_> this all sounds extremely shady
[14:14] <charl_> nevertheless
[14:14] <trender> ive already bought my wife a new laptop this month now she wants the apple one as well :(
[14:14] <Kilos> lol
[14:14] <magespawn> geek wife?
[14:14] <trender> greedy wife :(
[14:14] <magespawn> ahh
[14:15] <trender> she wants to see what apple is all about
[14:15] <magespawn> well i have three laptops, so who i am to speak
[14:15] <trender> i have about 20 laptops here
[14:15] <trender> but none apple OS
[14:16] <magespawn> they are nice, but nothing un-usual
[14:16] <magespawn> imho
[14:17] <trender> i worked on apple in the early days
[14:17] <trender> owned an apple 2e
[14:17] <trender> with green screen
[14:17] <Squirm[M]> Bbl. Squash time
[14:39] <charl_> ciao all
[15:20] <Squirm> mmmm
[15:20] <Cantide> hmm
[15:20] <Squirm> I'm feeling good now
[15:20] <Cantide> :)
[15:20] <Cantide> that's always a good thing :)
[15:20] <Cantide> i've felt good since Friday :)
[15:21] <Squirm> gor the endorphins flowing with the squash I guess
[15:21] <Squirm> s/gor/got
[15:21] <Cantide> cool :)
[15:21] <Cantide> i've not played squash
[15:21] <Cantide> but it looks rather intense
[15:21] <Squirm> + I won 2/6 games against someone who I usually lose 6/7/8 - 0 to
[15:21] <Kilos> exercise is always healthy
[15:22] <Squirm> and it's his birthday :P
[15:22] <Kilos> hehe
[15:22] <Cantide> Squirm, haha - you should have let him win all of them :p
[15:22] <Squirm> Cantide: screw that. he never lets me win any anyway
[15:23] <Cantide> lol
[15:23] <Cantide> fair enough :D
[15:23] <Squirm> but I'll buy him a few beers later for his birthday :P
[15:23] <Kilos> hehe
[15:27] <Squirm> meh
[15:27] <Squirm> have to drive to jhb tomorrow
[15:31] <Kilos> eish
[15:32] <magespawn> Squirm: how far is that for you?
[15:32] <Squirm> magespawn: If I had to sit on the N3, maybe over 4 hours
[15:32] <Squirm> or 4hours
[15:32] <Squirm> but I'm going on a little detour
[15:33] <magespawn> not too bad then
[15:33] <Squirm> not really
[15:33] <Squirm> still a distance though
[15:34] <Squirm> when I went up for my training in Jan, I drove back down on Sunday, got to work, was on my way back to jhb at 8:30 Monday and was back in Mooi River 19h00 that night
[15:34] <Squirm> RAID controller failed and I had to fetch it
[15:34] <Squirm> failed Sunday night
[15:35] <magespawn> that is hectic driving
[15:36] <Squirm> actually took the server up with me. So I could test the new controller at the supplier
[15:36] <Squirm> in case it wasn't that :P
[15:46] <Kilos> anyone heard from superfly ??
[15:47] <Squirm> Maaz: seen superfly
[15:47] <Maaz> Squirm: superfly was last seen 3 days, 21 hours, 44 minutes and 39 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-05-25 11:02:55 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2013-05-20 14:30:14 PDT
[15:48] <Kilos> ai!
[15:48] <Kilos> hopefully hes having a relaxing trip
[15:52] <magespawn> he was in one of the other channels, i think hes is at his friends wedding now
[15:52] <Kilos> ah ty magespawn
[15:53] <magespawn> in about a week he will be up here
[15:53] <Kilos> its the trip in between i wonder about
[15:54] <magestudy> took him about 3 days i think
[15:58] <Kilos> i note hawkeyes dont even get time to come on here
[15:59] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn you quiet
[16:02] <magestudy> they are working together now i think
[16:03] <Kilos> ya thats why the poor guy cant get here
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <magestudy> so maybe with the fly away somebody else has to take up the strain
[16:09] <Squirm> magestudy: what are you studying?
[16:23] <magestudy>
[16:23] <CanEat> space?
[16:33] <magestudy> yes
[16:33] <magestudy>  no MCITP
[16:36] <magestudy> a little bit of a dirty word around here
[16:37] <CanEat> i see :p
[16:39] <magestudy> five letter swear word
[16:41] <Kilos> Maaz, define MCITP
[16:41] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[16:41] <Kilos> lol
[16:42] <Kilos> eek you getting polluted
[16:42] <magestudy> Microsoft Certified IT Professional
[16:42] <Kilos> ya asked QA
[16:43] <magestudy> this particular one is Enterprise Administration
[16:45] <magestudy> always good to learn new skills
[16:45] <Kilos> yeah
[16:47] <magestudy> probable do Linux 101 next, or maybe a programming course
[16:47] <magestudy> probably
[16:48] <Kilos> if your head can keep it all in do everything you can lad
[16:49] <Symmetria> hrm, is gpt in the default 13.04 kernel?
[16:49] <Symmetria> I.E if I want a single 3TB partition on a drive
[16:49] <magestudy> ha it never keeps everything in, but that is what google is for
[16:50] <Kilos> gparted Symmetria
[16:50] <Kilos> i think you have to install it seperatley
[16:50] <magestudy> later all, home time
[16:50] <Kilos> apt-get install gparted
[16:50] <Kilos> go safe magestudy
[16:51] <Symmetria> ok once I finish this dist-upgrade on my spare linux machine at home will do that
[16:51] <Kilos> how big is the drive if one partition is gonna be 3tb
[16:51] <Symmetria> heh, wouldnt be using a 3TB disk normally for this but waiting for a 512gig SSD, heh, had the 3TB with NTFS but NTFS under linux is holy hell slow
[16:52] <Symmetria> so installed ext support into windows instead to get something cross compatible
[16:52] <Symmetria> ;p
[16:52] <nlsthzn> sorry uncle Kilos , was watching some telly :p
[16:52] <Kilos> np nlsthzn
[17:11] <Kilos> oh Symmetria there is also the new thing
[17:11] <Kilos> disk utility
[17:12] <Kilos> just tick the dash and type disk and it will show
[17:22] <Symmetria> heh kilos, no X on any linux machine I run :)
[17:23] <Symmetria> used parted and got it right
[17:23] <Kilos> ah ok
[17:23] <Symmetria> ;p now just waiting for ext3 to actually create a 3TB file system on a USB2 drive ;p
[17:23]  * Symmetria snores
[17:23] <Kilos> gparted is the gui of that methinks
[17:23] <Symmetria> yeah
[17:23] <Kilos> why not ext4
[17:23] <Symmetria> because I need proper cross compatible with windows
[17:24] <Kilos> its got more protection stuff in against power cuts
[17:24] <Kilos> ah
[17:24] <Symmetria> and ext4 under windows is still dodgy :) ext3 works fine
[17:24] <Symmetria> and NTFS under linux is slow as crap so I couldnt use that :)
[17:24] <Symmetria> that left with with ext3 or exfat
[17:24] <Symmetria> and exfat  under linux is as slow as ntfs is under linux :)
[17:25] <Symmetria> (that fuse stuff they use to make it work isn't great)
[17:25] <Kilos> can windows see ext3
[17:25] <Kilos> it cant see ext4
[17:25] <Symmetria> third party ext3 drivers
[17:25] <Symmetria> for windows
[17:25] <Kilos> ah
[17:26] <Symmetria> heh the NTFS stuff worked ok under linux but like I said, was just slow
[17:26] <Symmetria> and the only reason I have this disk is so I can walk in, plug it in, copy a coupla hundred gig and walk out again
[17:27] <Symmetria> actually waiting for a 512gig SSD to make that even faster
[17:27] <Symmetria> USB3 ftw ;p
[17:27] <Cantide> also SSD ftw :)
[17:27] <Cantide> how fast is USB3 if you boot to a USB flash drive with your OS installed on it? is it usable?
[17:27] <Symmetria> heh, have 2 256gig SSD's in my desktop in addition to my 3 x 3TB disks
[17:27] <Symmetria> cantide yes, it will work, obviously you neeed a USB3 capable flash drive
[17:27] <Cantide> i just have one 120 GB SSD :)
[17:27] <Kilos> is ssd via usb faster than  internal drives?
[17:28] <Symmetria> ssd in usb3 can do 3gigabit/second
[17:28] <Kilos> wow
[17:28] <Cantide> Symmetria, yeah, i have a USB3 flash drive with 13.04 installed on it, but my current PC doesn't have USB3 >.<
[17:28] <Symmetria> heh, I booted a machine off a usb 3 harddrive and installed ubunut off it, worked fine
[17:28] <Symmetria> heh kilos USB3 is *FAST*
[17:29] <Cantide> cool :)
[17:29] <Symmetria> the trick is finding a machine that currently supports it
[17:29] <Cantide> my USB2 is just a little too slow for my liking
[17:29] <Symmetria> (do not buy those crappy pci-e USB3 extension cards, they aren't particularly quick)
[17:29] <Cantide> but i want to keep that OS installed there for now
[17:29] <Symmetria> I got 4 x USB3 interfaces on board on my motherboard
[17:29] <Cantide> oh!
[17:30] <Cantide> thanks for the advice
[17:30] <Cantide> i was considering getting one
[17:30] <Symmetria> heh USB3 is still not as fast as thunderbolt, lol, I want a motherboard that has both
[17:30] <Cantide> but i've decided to wait for my new PC rather
[17:30] <Symmetria> cantide, well, if its cheap, look, its gonna be a shitload faster than usb2
[17:30] <Cantide> yeah
[17:30] <Symmetria> but its nowhere near as fast as true usb3 on board
[17:30] <Symmetria> might get 60 - 70 meg/second outta those expansion cards Ive tested
[17:30] <Symmetria> where as even writing to a standard sata disk I get 120+ on the onboard interfaces
[17:30] <Symmetria> cantide which board are you putting in your new pc?
[17:31] <Cantide> don't know yet - waiting for Haswell
[17:31] <Cantide> and moving to Korea soonish
[17:31] <Cantide> so waiting for that
[17:31] <Cantide> :p
[17:32] <Symmetria> lol lemme check what Im running in here again
[17:32] <Cantide> :p
[17:34] <Symmetria> Im running the GA-X79-UD5 from gigabyte
[17:34] <Symmetria> its pricey, but it supports 64gigs of ram for one thing
[17:35] <Symmetria> which was a major requirement when I bought it
[17:35] <Symmetria> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4049#sp
[17:36] <Symmetria> board will set ya back about 3.5k
[17:38] <Kilos> eish
[17:38] <Cantide> o_O
[17:38] <Cantide> not for me :p
[17:38] <Cantide> i've got a little MSI board in this PC
[17:38] <Kilos> would love something like that
[17:38] <Cantide> does the job just fine, except for USB3
[17:45] <Symmetria> brb rebooting
[18:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:14] <Kilos> ho inetpro work went ofline
[18:14] <inetpro> good evening
[18:15] <inetpro> no, was me
[18:16] <Kilos> ah naughty
[18:16] <Kilos> you even killed plustwo
[18:16] <Kilos> and is Mzolisto there too?
[18:17] <inetpro> ai!
[18:17] <inetpro> ek sukkel
[18:17] <inetpro> :-)
[18:17] <Kilos> ai!
[18:17] <Kilos> hoe kan ek help?
[18:17] <inetpro> somehow I can no longer connect via my mobile
[18:17] <Kilos> oh my
[18:18] <Kilos> to irc
[18:18] <Kilos> oh quassel
[18:18] <inetpro> yep to quassel
[18:18] <Kilos> your bouncer is sick
[18:18] <inetpro> thought perhaps because my core was listening on ipv6
[18:19] <inetpro> but clearly it's not that
[18:19] <inetpro> forced it to startup listening on ipv4
[18:20] <Kilos> maybe the fone cant do ipv6
[18:20] <Kilos> too fast
[18:20] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <inetpro> is broken
[18:23] <Kilos> aw
[18:28] <Cantide> good night 'o
[18:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:35] <inetpro> ok, one more try
[18:36] <Kilos> wb
[18:38] <inetpro> hallo world. ..from me mobile
[18:38] <Kilos> how did you fix it
[18:39]  * inetpro didn't notice that the core was not listening via SSL any more
[18:39] <Kilos> ai!
[18:39] <inetpro> noticed some time ago that I could no longer connect via the mobile
[18:40] <inetpro> but didn't have time to look into it
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> ai!
[18:40] <Kilos> thats sad
[18:40]  * inetpro happy again
[18:41] <Kilos> ya me too
[18:41] <Kilos> wb old man
[18:42] <inetpro> haha
[18:42] <Kilos> you didnt see
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: so anything interesting I missed here today?
[18:42] <Kilos> i downloaded crunchbang 808 mB in 45 mins
[18:43] <Kilos> not much here today
[18:43] <Kilos> nothing exciting
[18:43] <Kilos> got up to 469kB/s
[18:44] <Kilos> not sure if it was the torrent thing or all telkom peeps asleep
[19:14] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:14] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:14] <inetpro> good night oom
[19:14] <Kilos> no late to bed hey you old peeps


[05:05] <newz2000> sorry guys, I didn't get the email sent about the meeting, I will have to send it tomorrow
[15:06] <Volans> Hi all! newz2000 have you 5 minutes?
[15:07] <newz2000> Hey Volans, sure
[15:07] <Volans> first of all, have you talk with lizzeh or other active members for the meeting?
[15:07] <newz2000> I'm just going to send an email... already started compzing in fact
[15:09] <Volans> ok, the second is your opinion about 3 bugs
[15:10] <Volans> 1) a fridge bug, like the background problem, you tell me about a new theme in the Fridge, but when you think to upload it?
[15:12] <newz2000> right now the fridge problem is low on my priority list so I've not scheduled a time to do it
[15:13] <newz2000> I've created a better template (though fixed width) and uploaded it, but it's just an html file, not a drupal theme
[15:14] <Volans> and release a little fix (probably 1 line in css) to resolve at least the background problem in the meantime?
[15:14] <Volans> (you think that can be a good compromise between time to spent on and results)
[15:14] <newz2000> what is the background problem?
[15:31] <Volans> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/about
[15:31] <Volans> you don't see a background problem?
[15:31] <Volans> (sorry for the delay, I have see only now your reply, the tab does not flashed)
[15:32] <newz2000> ah, that prob
[15:32] <newz2000> Volans: I see it, just forgot about it.
[15:33] <newz2000> (short content)
[15:33] <Volans> you can solve it (I think for all browsers except IE6 and below) simply adding: min-height:582px; at styles.css:27 class #contentr
[15:34] <newz2000> ok, I'll do that right now
[15:34] <Volans> at least 582px, maybe some more pixel will be better in order to avoid problem
[15:34] <Volans> with different pixel dimensions for different browsers
[15:34]  * newz2000 tries to remember what server that's on
[15:34] <Volans> LOL
[15:35] <Volans> .183 marais
[15:35] <Volans> ;)
[15:36] <newz2000> Volans: done
[15:36] <newz2000> thanks for the quick fix suggestion
[15:36] <Volans> no problem, can you check also for windows browsers?
[15:37] <Volans> (or I can start the VM)
[15:37] <newz2000> I have a vm open
[15:37] <newz2000> I'm sure that it won't work in ie6
[15:37] <Volans> seems good on FF2
[15:37] <Volans> for IE6 and the known problem of min-height I have found a good solution
[15:37] <Volans> in general
[15:38] <newz2000> it works in ie7 though, which is interesting... I didn't know it had min-height
[15:39] <Volans> if you have a div you want to add a min-height and it is in a page with many other divs floating or not, I found that putting another div works for ie6

content

[15:40] <Volans> or at least works for me in many cases :)
[15:41] <newz2000> so in a sense just clearing the floated divs with a non-floated div
[15:41] <newz2000> neat idea
[15:41] <Volans> if you have IE6 open
[15:41] <Volans> try for example this http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?action=search
[15:42] <newz2000> whoa
[15:42] <Volans> the div id="bodyarea" have a min-height
[15:42] <newz2000> the fridge is totally messed up in ie6
[15:43] <Volans> I never tried, but thinking about due to the strange position of the top div that is at the bottom in the code
[15:43] <newz2000> I don't know... it's like all of the text is white
[15:43]  * Volans starting the VM... too curious
[15:45] <newz2000> the new theme I'm using is currently in place on https://shipit.ubuntu.com
[15:45] <newz2000> it seems to work well across browsers
[15:46] <newz2000> there is the "flash of unstyled content" problem in IE though I need to fix.
[15:47] <Volans> newz2000: why shipit have as favicon the new launchpad logo?
[15:47] <newz2000> ah, didn't notice that... shipit is part of launchpad
[15:48] <Volans> not clear from the site layout ;) seems to be ubuntu site
[15:49] <Volans> ehm with IE6 I don't see the content on the fridge...
[15:49] <newz2000> right, that's the problem I mentioned
[15:49] <Volans> I can help for that? (I understand that for you is a very low priority problem)
[15:50] <newz2000> if you'd like to, that's fine... or if you want, you can help create a drupal theme from the shipit theme
[15:51] <newz2000> either option will mean you become boredandblogging new best friend
[15:51] <Volans> LOL, sincerly I never worked on drupal themes... but I have experience of themes for other CMS
[15:52] <newz2000> drupal is easier than most... for example, far easier than wordpress
[15:52] <Volans> shipit now is a standalone site, without a cms behind?
[15:53] <newz2000> correct... it has been from as far back as I know
[15:53] <Volans> ok, I will look what I can do
[15:53] <newz2000> I can help you... I have an html file
[15:54] <Volans> good starting point :)
[15:55] <newz2000> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/layout-guide-helper.png
[15:55] <newz2000> oops
[15:55] <newz2000> no, that's not it
[15:55] <newz2000> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/ubuntu08.zip
[15:56] <newz2000> so what might surprise you when you look at this file is that I used a css framework called blueprint to create the layout and handle typography and a full reset
[15:56] <Volans> ok
[15:57] <Volans> the other 2 bugs are simpler... for bug 188297 I don't know your opinion... the pdf seems clear and looks good
[15:57] <ubot3> Malone bug 188297 in ubuntu-website "Website [stylesheet probably] Problem." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188297
[15:57] <Volans> ops
[15:58] <Volans> not this one
[15:58] <newz2000> and here's an examle drupal theme for you to use https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~newz/ubuntu-website/ubuntu07
[15:58] <Volans> this one bug 185398
[15:58] <ubot3> Malone bug 185398 in ubuntu-website "Add developer playbook to the development page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185398
[16:00] <newz2000> oh, awesome
[16:14] <Volans> newz2000: How many IE6-compatibility is required for the sites managed by you and the team?
[16:14] <newz2000> IE 6 is needed for ubuntu.com, but I'm satisfied with "site is readable but not perfect"
[16:15] <Volans> have you read this article? http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2008/07/are-you-using-latest-web-browser.html
[16:16] <Volans> cit. "Only 52.5% of Microsoft Internet Explorer users have updated to version 7"
[16:16] <newz2000> yes, but I'm quite certain that stat is wrong...
[16:16] <newz2000> oh, wait, maybe not
[16:17] <newz2000> here's what I know about our users... on www.ubuntu.com which is the most trafficked site of ours by IE users (other sites have smaller % of IE users than www.u.c) less than 15% are using IE6
[16:17] <newz2000> 15% is a lot, so I want to ensure the site is navigable and readable
[16:17] <Volans> I agree!
[16:18] <newz2000> so for example, ubuntu.com has a white line going down the right side
[16:18] <newz2000> it doesn't hinder usability. Its not ideal (and the new theme fixes that) but it's not a big deal.
[16:18] <newz2000> to me
[16:19] <newz2000> Volans: that's a neat article
[16:20] <Volans> ok, in my previous work every browser used by more than 1-2% of users must be compatible
[16:20] <vbabiy> newz2000: do we have a launchpad time?
[16:20] <vbabiy> team
[16:21] <newz2000> vbabiy: not really. There's one for bugs if you're interested in that.
[16:21] <newz2000> we will at some point have a team
[16:21] <newz2000> Volans: I don't know if you had a chance to look at that theme...
[16:21] <newz2000> you'll see there's a subtle diff in the drop shadow
[16:21] <newz2000> the designers who made the original concept did something horrible with the drop shadow
[16:21] <Volans> news the shipit theme?
[16:21] <newz2000> yes
[16:22] <Volans> online or in the code?
[16:22] <newz2000> if you download that zip file and open it you can view the theme in your browser
[16:22] <newz2000> but shipit is ok to
[16:22] <newz2000> the original ubuntu theme has a drop shadow that extends out both the left and right side and overlays a gradient background
[16:23] <newz2000> this is harder to implment that it seems at first
[16:23] <newz2000> so the new ubuntu08 theme gets rid of the drop shadow on the sides, its just on the bottom
[16:23] <Volans> downloaded the zip, not already open it, I was working on the opera bug
[16:23] <newz2000> which allows the markup and css to be far simpler
[16:23] <Volans> ah ok
[16:24] <newz2000> anyway, that one fix makes life far easier and now the theme should work great in all major browsers
[16:24] <Volans> we have the side and bottom shadow and I have worked hard to make it almost compatible with all browser and ie6
[16:25] <newz2000> so you have felt the pain eh?
[16:25] <vbabiy> Hey have you guys seen the post I did on the Wiki? Any suggestion? One thing I noticed this morning the side bar is a little to large I think and I still need new fonts. Tonight I am going to work on the screen shot widget and maybe the descriptions part.
[16:25] <newz2000> vbabiy: yes, I did
[16:25] <newz2000> I agree the text on the side is too large
[16:25] <vbabiy> newz2000: yeah that still needs some work
[16:26] <newz2000> I think you've done some good work there
[16:26] <newz2000> before you do a lot more we should discuss some goals
[16:26] <vbabiy> sounds good to me
[16:26] <newz2000> I'll say again, I want the community to drive this one as much as possible, but I'd like to ask some probing questions
[16:26] <vbabiy> I am really starting to like Inkscape for web work
[16:27] <newz2000> yeah, me too
[16:28] <vbabiy> newz2000: I am all ears, I would also love this to be a community thing not something I put together
[16:29] <vbabiy> newz2000: I think once people start seeing more work done, they will start throwing in suggestions
[16:29] <newz2000> yes, I agree
[16:29] <newz2000> let's do the probing questions during the meeting
[16:29] <newz2000> I'm about to send the email now
[16:29] <vbabiy> newz2000: okay, I will work what I can till then
[16:29] <newz2000> (just doing some timezone calculations)
[16:29] <vbabiy> newz2000: I hate that, always confuse my self. :D, good luck
[16:30] <newz2000> vbabiy: one line of questioning I was going to bring up goes along these lines: (for you to ponder)
[16:31] <newz2000> how many screenshots do we want, do we want to give people a walk-through of the desktop so they can feel like they're sitting in front of it, should people be able to navigate through the images and if so, how?
[16:31] <vbabiy> newz2000: I am going to write up my answer to the question, so I can ready for the meeting
[16:31] <newz2000> ok
[16:32] <newz2000> One thing I'd like to request, but I won't insist on, is the ability to see larger images than you can see on the current feature tour
[16:32] <newz2000> maybe a "click here to view larger" or something like that
[16:32]  * Volans back
[16:33] <Volans> newz2000: I'm working on the opera bug for the planet and upgrading to the latest opera I notice that there is a very horribly shadow effect on the titles of planet's post
[16:34] <newz2000> orly?
[16:34] <Volans> opera 9.51 on planet.ubuntu.com for example
[16:35] <vbabiy> newz2000: I agree to be able to enlarge the images would be a benefit for older, and visual impaired people.
[16:35] <Volans> and also on www.ubuntu.com the top menu icons (red arrows) are overlapping the menu titles
[16:35] <newz2000> I'll have to get opera, I don't seem to have it installed anymore
[16:36] <vbabiy> newz2000: is it in the repos
[16:36] <newz2000> I don't see it
[16:36] <Volans> in my XP VM I have IE from 5.5 to 7, safari, opera, FF2 and FF3
[16:37] <vbabiy> sudo apt-get install opera
[16:37] <newz2000> says not available
[16:37] <vbabiy> newz2000: I am installing now
[16:37] <newz2000> hardy?
[16:37] <vbabiy> yeah
[16:37] <newz2000> oh, partner repo was turned off
[16:38] <vbabiy> Yeah I got 9.27
[16:39] <vbabiy> okay guys I am got to run, newz2000 looking forward to meeting
[16:40] <newz2000> ok. ttyl. keep up the nice work.
[16:40] <Volans> bye vbabiy, very good work in the wiki
[16:40] <vbabiy> thanks Volans
[16:44] <Volans> newz2000: for the jcastro pdf you want I assign the bug to you or set it directly to fix released (if you want to do that)?
[16:45] <newz2000> go ahead and assign it to me
[16:45] <newz2000> I'm getting behind on my bugs while trying to work on a little project, but I'm hoping to clear those out tomorrow
[16:46] <Volans> ok
[16:47] <Volans> done, and what about the guys with black DE themes that have white default color for text in browsers?
[16:47] <Volans> (there is a bug about that, but this is a choice I think, not real a bug :))
[16:48] <newz2000> no, this is a bug actually
[16:48] <newz2000> I investigated it and I need to specify both a text color and a background color or specify neither
[16:48] <newz2000> by specifying one then the other defaults to the OS and causes a prob
[16:49] <Volans> yeah
[16:50] <Volans> both is better
[16:50] <Volans> you are sure what the user will see
[16:51] <newz2000> Volans, does this sound right?
[16:52] <newz2000>     6:00 in Brisbane (Australia) which is 2000 UTC/2100 London or 0230 India
[16:52] <newz2000>     7:00 in Alaska (USA) which is 11am Eastern US or 1500 UTC/1600 London
[16:52] <Volans> let me check
[16:55] <Volans> the first line will be 1:30 in India, they don't have DST
[16:55] <newz2000> thanks
[16:56] <Volans> 7:00 in alaska will be 1:00 in the night in brisbane...
[16:56] <Volans> and possible time also for india
[16:56] <newz2000> I wonder what the best way to collect the votes is, do you have an idea?
[16:57] <newz2000> we can have votes go to the list as replies... any other option?
[16:57] <Volans> no list replies no... 80 email only for that
[16:57] <newz2000> yeah
[16:57] <Volans> you have an ubuntuforums test site???
[16:57] <Volans> :D
[16:57] <newz2000> no, sorry
[16:58] <newz2000> we could do a shared google spreadsheet or a wiki page
[16:58] <newz2000> I use google spreadsheets for church events and it works ok
[16:58] <Volans> wiki page can be a solution... and what of a webservice?
[16:59] <newz2000> I'm not sure we have enough time to pull it off... I know I couldn't get it done in time
[16:59] <Volans> no no, not your service...
[16:59] <Volans> a web based already poll service
[16:59] <Volans> I'm searching on google and there are many
[17:00] <newz2000> oh, I see
[17:00] <newz2000> there are four options (two times, two days). We could use something that gives them the option to rate their choices 1,2,3,4
[17:01] <newz2000> we may want to get their name so we can eliminate options where key people can't attend
[17:05] <Volans> or a wiki page...
[17:06] <Volans> I have the idea...
[17:07] <Volans> fopr the wiki
[17:13] <Volans> newz2000: I think we have to put a date limit for the poll...
[17:16] <Volans> newz2000: I have the wiki page ready, if you have the 2 date I will put directly the final datetimes...
[17:17] <newz2000>     2000 UTC/2100 London which is 0600 in Brisbane (Australia) and 0130 India
[17:17] <newz2000>     1500 UTC/1600 London which is 0700 in Alaska (USA) and 11am Eastern US
[17:17] <newz2000>     Tuesday, July 22nd UTC
[17:17] <newz2000>      Friday, July 25th UTC
[17:18] <Volans> ok
[17:18] <Volans> how many time the meeting will continue?
[17:19] <newz2000> I'm going to shoot for 40m but let's say 40 - 60m
[17:19] <Volans> only????
[17:19] <Volans> I have attended the last mozilla team meeting
[17:20] <Volans> theoretically of 1h30m... but really more
[17:20] <newz2000> wow, no, I can't handle that
[17:20] <newz2000> if we need to go longer we'll schedule another meeting because obviously we're not prepared enough
[17:20] <Volans> ok
[17:21] <newz2000> we don't have a huge agenda for this meeting
[17:27] <newz2000> Volans: do you have a link to the wiki? My email is ready.
[17:27] <Volans> yes, just one minute
[17:30] <Volans> newz2000: what is your vote for the 4 options? :)
[17:30] <Volans> I have put from 0 to 3
[17:30] <Volans> 0 = no attend, 3 best choice
[17:30] <newz2000> I'm equally fine with all four
[17:31] <Volans> I can put yourself as first voter?
[17:31] <newz2000> sure
[17:33] <Volans> just decide the poll end... july 20?
[17:33] <newz2000> noon UTC on 21st
[17:37] <Volans> newz2000: check it out before send the mail ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Meetings
[17:39] <newz2000> looks great
[17:39] <newz2000> I've got agenda items already, let me add them
[17:39] <Volans> newz2000: have you checked fridge agenda for those datetimes?
[17:40] <newz2000> no, since we're meeting in this channel I didn't feel it was necessary
[17:40] <newz2000> is it necessary?
[17:41] <Volans> ah no, sure... I'm thinking about #ubuntu-meeting, sorry
[17:49] <newz2000> email sent. Thanks a bunch Volans.
[17:50] <Volans> it was a pleasure
[17:52] <Volans> received
[17:58] <Volans> for the black/white problem, I'm trying with a high inverted contrast theme... it seems quite simple
[18:00] <Volans> just add in the body { color: #000; } and add a body input { background-color: #fff; }
[18:00] <Volans> I have cheched only the homepage
[18:01] <newz2000> Volans: would you go ahead and just note that in the bug?
[18:01] <Volans> sure! you need also to check that every site have a background specified
[18:01] <newz2000> ok
[18:04] <Volans> I made some test before...
[18:18] <Volans> newz2000: I have some problem with radio and check boxes... seems that they don't give the color from the css.. I have tried with a input, textarea, select {} entry in the css
[18:18] <Volans> but around the web I found that this is the right way
[18:18] <Volans> perhaps you know some trick?
[18:19] <newz2000> I've found that adding styles to inputs can cause problems. For example, in ff3 once you assign some styles the inputs stopping looking like the OS widgets and start looking like plain ole ugly buttons and etc
[18:20] <newz2000> I'd have to try it to see what you're experienceing though
[18:20]  * Volans trying ff3
[18:21] <Volans> yes, not so ugly in my case but there is a noticeable difference
[18:22] <Volans> my changes now are on commons.css line 82
[18:22] <Volans> adding a color: #000; in the body statement and adding just below a:
[18:22] <Volans> input, textarea, select { color: #000; background-color: #fff; }
[18:24] <Volans> oh, I have found an epiphany bug while surfing... :)
[18:28] <Volans> you need to do a width trough the css or style option for the select tag, in the download page the choose mirror select in epiphany go over the right border (although the last part is not visible, the same effect of overflow:hidden)
[18:28] <Volans> s/to do/to set/
[18:29] <newz2000> I thought I did that...
[18:29] <newz2000> oh, I did it in code to truncate the length of the text
[18:30] <Volans> seems that epiphany wants the width of the select tag explicitly
[18:33] <Volans> Now I have to go.... I will investigate more on the white/black problem as I'm interested on that and I will try to find the time to work on the drupal theme ;)
[18:33] <newz2000> thanks, Volans
[18:33]  * Volans back to a clear theme...
[18:34] <Volans> don't mention it... :) see you, bye bye
[19:34] <kilps> hi all ... i was wondering if there are any plans atm for a software / package directory - i cant see anything in the wiki but maybe i missed it?
[19:41] <newz2000> kilps: there is http://packages.ubuntu.com - is that what you had in mind or something else?
[19:43] <kilps> ya i know about packages.ubuntu.com - but that isnt really geared towards the average user ... i was thinking more along the lines of the comparison of the Add/Remove dialog to synaptic ... but hopefully more powerful
[19:43] <newz2000> nothing like that is currently planned
[19:43] <kilps> perhaps in a wiki format ... but something which just had general information about software with comments etc.
[19:44] <kilps> do you think that there would be interest in such an idea?
[19:44] <newz2000> there may be ,but it's probably out of the scope of this team
[19:44] <newz2000> is this something you want to do kilps?
[19:45] <kilps> oks cool ... um im not really sure - something i thought of yesterday so trying to get an idea of if it would be worthwhile - would have to balance it with a number of other projects i have on the go though
[19:46] <newz2000> I understand. If its something you want to do, we can support you, but I think there are higher priority tasks for the team to take on first
[19:47] <kilps> ok cool - ill keep track of what is going on and if i get around to starting anything or see someone with a similar idea ill get in touch
[19:47] <newz2000> ok
[19:52] <kilps> just for interest some of the comments at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/103/ suggest something similar to my idea - see "2cents wrote on the 24 Apr 08 at 22:09 "
[20:45] <pep> hi
[20:45] <newz2000> howdy pep
[20:46] <pep> Ihad a look at the archive of the shipit theme
[20:46] <pep> just now
[20:46] <pep> I'm wondering... this is not usable by drupal is it?
[20:47] <pep> (I never used drupal before)
[20:47] <pep> but I suppose drupal themes are in php or something
[20:47] <pep> I'm installing the cms
[20:47] <pep> (on our testserver for spreadubuntu ;-)
[20:47] <newz2000> yes, the themes are in php
[20:47] <newz2000> you can also download the code for the existing drupal theme...
[20:47] <newz2000> (ugly css/html)
[20:48] <pep> I've got an archive named "ubuntu08" with html/css shipit theme
[20:48] <newz2000> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~newz/ubuntu-website/ubuntu07
[20:48] <newz2000> you'll see the themes are pretty simple compared to a lot of CMS
[20:48] <pep> Is that the same as shipit? or is it without the rounded part at the bottom?
[20:48] <newz2000> that's what's on ubuntu.com now
[20:49] <newz2000> just use it as an example of a drupal theme
[20:49] <pep> I only used CMSmadesimple and some custom ones until now
[20:49] <pep> Ok
[20:49] <pep> and ubuntu08 theme is not yet on launchpad?
[20:49] <pep> the one shipit uses..
[20:50] <newz2000> correct
[20:51] <pep> ok
[23:40]  * Volans back
[23:41] <pep> newz2000: do you have an idea when the ubuntu08 theme will be on launchpad? I think we are going to work on spreadubuntu with ubuntu07 theme whilst developing our background infrastructure...
[23:41] <pep> welcome back Volans
[23:42] <newz2000> pep: do you mean "on launchad" or do you mean "a completed drupal theme"?
[23:42] <Volans> Hi pep
[23:47] <pep> newz2000: "a completed drupal theme" if it's the official one, to be inline with the other sites it would be nonsense to make our own one
[23:47] <newz2000> pep: its not scheduled
[23:47] <pep> but ubuntu.com is planning to take over the same theme as shipit?N
[23:47] <pep> -N
[23:48] <newz2000> yes, that's the current plan, but it's not scheduled yet
[23:48] <pep> ok very well
[23:50] <pep> we won't be up so quickly anyway, and it's not a problem if we use the current theme for the moment.. I'm working on the move of the ubuntu-be site from CMSMS to Drupal too, attending a sprint for this in Brussels tomorrow, so I'll earn some drupal experience. If I have time I might make the template  myself then and get back to you.
[23:50] <pep> but that wold be at the soonest in September.
[23:51] <Volans> pep: I'll talked with newz2000 about the same thing just today... if I find the time, it's possible that I will try to make a drupal theme from the shipit site
[23:52] <pep> ah yes
[23:52] <Volans> maybe we can cooperate?
[23:52] <pep> we could, but at the soonest in September
[23:52] <newz2000> Volans: you're going to have to be careful about all you volunteer for. ;-)
[23:52] <newz2000> pep: September sounds reasonable
[23:53] <Volans> newz2000: sure! but atm I'm not really involved in any "big thing"... bugs are a hobby :)
[23:53]  * newz2000 goes for food
[23:53] <pep> well, that's my point Volans, I'm involved in a relatively big thing I think, so this would not be a priority really :)
[23:55] <Volans> pep, really I'm not involved in big thing here on the website... in the Italian loco I have many things ;)
[23:55] <pep> ok
[23:55] <pep> :)
[23:55] <Volans> so depends if I found the time this summer
[23:55] <Volans> and I don't have any drupal experience too...
[23:55] <pep> hehe me neither
[23:56] <pep> But seems easy
[23:56] <pep> I installed it this afternoon
[23:56] <Volans> yeah, matt say more that wordpress
[23:56] <Volans> /that/then/
[23:56] <pep> yes, I have the feeling too :)
[23:57] <pep> but you know how it is with new things, gotta get used to them
[23:59] <Volans> I have experience for IPB and SMF forums and something about joomla
[23:59] <Volans> for the theme customization of existing CMS


[17:42] <faekjarz> Hey there! I installed my box manually via debootstrap (that root on ZFS guide on github/zfsonlinux). The cli works fine, and now i want to install gnome. Is ubuntu-gnome-desktop all i need, or does the normal install via LiveISO include more?
[17:44] <jbicha> faekjarz: yes, installing that will basically give you the same thing
[17:44] <faekjarz> jbicha: a'ight
[17:45]  * faekjarz hands jbicha a delicious cookie of appreciation
[17:45] <jbicha> thanks :)
[21:06] <hiru> hello I can't install the iso, these are the errors I get, what to do? http://i.imgur.com/td1bN9a.jpg
[21:08] <tony1> hiru: check the sum of the download
[21:09] <hiru> the sum is fine
[21:11] <tony1> bios update? maybe disable acpi? just some ideas?
[21:12] <hiru> before flashing bios I wanted to check for possible solutions. what's acpi?
[21:14] <tony1> seems your install media is corrupt to me. maybe someone else has an idea?
[21:14] <tony1> bad memory, cdrom?
[21:14] <jbicha> yes, that's what it sounds like to me too
[21:16] <jbicha> it doesn't look like an issue specific to Ubuntu GNOME, so you may get more help in general channels like #ubuntu or at askubuntu.com
[21:20] <hiru> I used the ubuntu startup application tool to burn the iso
[21:20] <hiru> that's weird
[21:20] <tony1> seems a hardware issue to me
[21:21] <hiru> due to the usb drive or motherboard?
[21:21] <tony1> you burned the iso to what?
[21:22] <tony1> cd?
[21:22] <hiru> a usb
[21:23] <tony1> maybe the usb is old? or bios issues with usb? try booting a cd maybe?
[21:23] <hiru> it worked fine with ubuntu today
[21:23] <hiru> also I bought it from amazon a week ago. it's a usb3 drive so it's pretty new
[21:25] <tony1> they can fail in a day or a year? test your memory? I don't have an answer other than it seems hardware related
[21:26] <hiru> ok! I'll try using different tool to burn the iso tomorrow or maybe I'll buy a dvd, thanks for the answer :)
[21:27] <tony1> try a different flashdrive if you have one?
[21:28] <hiru> I bought a usb drive because I had no one spare haha. I'll just spend 1-2 euros for some dvds. if nothing work I'll go with a bios flash


[01:59] <Takyoji> Oh fun http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/03/26/2240250/Nvidia-Drops-Support-For-Its-Open-Source-Driver
[02:13] <rlaager> Takyoji: +1 on all that.
[02:13] <rlaager> So is it just me, or is Ubuntu Server sucking more and more with each release?
[02:15] <Takyoji> I haven't been much of an Ubuntu Server user
[02:15] <Takyoji> Any specific reasons for such disappointment?
[02:16] <rlaager> Does anyone know what is up with this transition to using "service FOO restart" or "restart FOO"? I don't understand why it was necessary to break "/etc/init.d/FOO restart" *with no notice*. Or, more importantly, why it was necessary to break "invoke-rc.d FOO restart", which is required (by Debian policy) to be used in package maintainer scripts.
[02:16] <rlaager> Also, ureadahead is broken for me, and something makes it appear as though the boot has hung. (I just realized that I should try switching VTs to get a login.)
[02:17] <rlaager> Lucid works fine on our hardware, but the installer CDs fail to boot. (That's been a problem since Karmic, or earlier when using non-minimal CDs.)
[02:18] <rlaager> New in Lucid, however, is the breakage of support for their network controllers in the installer. This means we can't even netboot to avoid the CD issue. Again, note that Lucid works fine once installed. How did we do it? We installed from a Jaunty minimal CD and dist-upgraded.
[02:19] <rlaager> Is it really necessary for a distro to tell me both that it's checking for a new version and that none is available, on every login?
[02:20] <Takyoji> I had no idea /etc/init.d/(service) (command) was removed..
[02:20] <Takyoji> Sounds like a barrel of pure fun
[02:21] <rlaager> Yeah, it's wonderful, especially because "service FOO restart" doesn't work on earlier versions, from what very limited testing I've done.
[02:23] <Takyoji> At least it makes it somewhat easier to remember for new users. :P
[02:30] <Takyoji> I wonder if Cinepaint is an officially dead project (or at least for now)
[02:44] <ripps> update Ambiance Cold today, can someone please tell me why people keep marking it down? Is there something wrong with it that I'm not noticing? http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=121118
[02:50] <Takyoji> Nothing substantially sticks out
[06:00] <rlaager> I take back some of my comments. It seems the upstart init script messages are warnings. The /etc/init.d/FOO invocations still seem to work.
[21:18] <Takyoji> It just seems like the common business trend these days is income by just suing anyone, and trying everything to "protect" their intellectual property; rather than actually focusing on what the consumers desire.. It just keeps getting worse constantly. The legal battles, DRM, international regulation, and so forth. And now we have the ACTA underway.
[21:24] <Takyoji> I think in this past year there's been more and more regulation against "piracy" and "copyright infringement" in terms of the internet. UK, now France, and next the US.
[22:34] <Takyoji> And nobody cares. :P


[06:14] <Cheri703> so...I have a possibly dumb question: can one use ssh -x while using ubuntu 11.10? it doesn't seem to be working for me
[06:15] <Unit193> -X
[06:15] <canthus13> -X or -x?
[06:16] <Unit193> Big X for enabling it.
[06:16] <canthus13> -x disables X forwarding.
[06:16] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[06:16] <Cheri703> thank you /me is very tired tonight
[06:16] <canthus13> all good. :)
[06:17] <Cheri703> thank you! it is working now :)
[06:17] <Cheri703> how are things?
[06:17] <canthus13> Ok.
[06:17] <canthus13> tryin' to get out of Toledo. :/
[06:18] <Cheri703> :/ I saw you're still looking for work
[06:18] <Cheri703> I'm looking as well, but likely outside of ohio
[06:18] <canthus13> I'm working.. I just tire of Toledo.
[06:20] <Cheri703> well, I meant looking for OTHER work
[06:20]  * canthus13 nods.
[06:21] <Cheri703> my job is semi-tolerable now that I have a different supervisor, also helps that I can have fun riding to/from work on the trike :)
[06:21] <Cheri703> I still dislike it, but at least now I don't have a supervisor who is dumb and I have absolutely no respect for
[06:24] <canthus13> Heh.


[02:04] <jose> pleia2: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/20/ubuntu-donations-and-community-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-57224 the last comment, grabbed my attention
[03:20] <pleia2> jose: that's a question for someone at canonical
[03:21] <jose> you know who should I redirect it to?
[03:21] <pleia2> maybe jono :)
[03:22] <jose> jono: around?
[03:22] <jono> jose, I am about to go
[03:22] <jono> my wife gets home in a few mins
[03:22] <jose> talk to you later, then :)
[03:22] <pleia2> jose: might just mention it in -community-team
[03:22] <jose> will do
[17:07] <pleia2> oof, friday already


[09:30] <jamespage> morning release team - I'm going to start uploading the OpenStack kilo-3 updates which have been tested in PPA last week; they require the python-oslo.* packages waiting for review in the vivid NEW queue
[09:31] <jamespage> infinity was going to review them last week during ISO testing for the beta, but I'm guessing did not manage to, so if any AA's are around this morning unwedging those would be great :-)
[10:23] <jamespage> just another point to note on the oslo packages in NEW - mterry has been good enough to review them from my staging PPA for the MIR that will be required for them
[10:23] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-semantic-version/+bug/1435937
[10:28] <doko> jamespage, can't help with these. I'm not -release
[10:29] <jamespage> doko, can you help with the NEW oslo packages?
[10:29] <jamespage> they have release team acks - just pending AA review.
[14:46] <infinity> jamespage: So, these python-oslo.* bits in NEW.  I've reviewed them, but I assume they also need to be in main for openstack to be happy?
[14:47] <jamespage> infinity, yes - mterry reviewed them from the PPA I've been testing in under https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-semantic-version/+bug/1435937
[14:48] <infinity> jamespage: Ahh, excellent, so I'll NEW directly to main.
[14:48] <jamespage> infinity, that would be super-awesome!
[14:48] <infinity> jamespage: Also, can you fix the broken Provides?  I noticed the same thing in my review. :P
[14:48] <jamespage> infinity, in oslo-config?
[14:49] <infinity> Yeah.
[14:49] <jamespage> infinity, I thought I had fixed that end of last week - lemme check
[14:49] <jamespage> yeah should be in 1:1.9.3-0ubuntu1
[14:49] <infinity> Oh, so you did.  Maybe the machine I'm doing this on is stale.
[14:50] <jamespage> infinity, no its stale lintian
[14:50] <jamespage> "# Last updated: 2014-09-06
[14:50] <jamespage> "
[14:50] <jamespage> uh-oh
[14:51] <infinity> Or that.
[14:52] <jamespage> infinity, I have a similar problem in dh-python - its pydist list is generate some time ago from debian
[14:52] <jamespage> Ubuntu is a bit different now
[14:53] <infinity> jamespage: Alright, all NEWed, and semantic-whatever promoted.
[14:53] <jamespage> infinity, thanks very much!
[16:48] <infinity> rbasak: *poke*
[16:50] <infinity> rbasak: When can we expect the upstart/init-system-helpers uploads to move the apparmor wrapper around?  The apparmor upload is now landing/landed.
[16:51] <stgraber> I also just uploaded a new lxc with a workaround for that case (probably still worth keeping around even once we've got the situation fixed)
[16:52] <stgraber> (workaround is that if the helper script isn't around and apparmor is, then trigger an apparmor reload so should be a reasonable safety net to make sure we never end up running unconfined)
[16:52] <infinity> stgraber: An lxc that passes tests would be even nicer...
[16:53] <stgraber> well, I'm reasonably sure it'll still fail, but it should fail much less than it does today :)
[16:53] <stgraber> and then we can work on fixing whatever new failure we discover
[16:54] <infinity> stgraber: So, AIUI, you should be depending on init-system-helpers (>= version rbasak hasn't uploaded) and calling /lib/init/apparmor-profile-load in your postinst.  But I guess the workaround today is sort of okayish.
[16:55] <stgraber> ok, so we do call /lib/init/apparmor-profile-load and we're supposed to get the dependency automatically through dh-systemd, so in theory we're good
[16:55] <rbasak> stgraber: I think the plan is that you'll depend on init-system-helpers
[16:56] <rbasak> Then you definitely have the wrapper
[16:56] <rbasak> Oh, infinity said that. Sorry.
[16:56] <stgraber> gah, so I'll have to add more per-release control mangling... fun
[16:56] <stgraber> (we use the same packaging from precise all the way to vivid)
[16:57] <stgraber> rbasak: just checked. lxc does have a dependency on init-system-helpers
[16:57] <infinity> stgraber: Well, you already depend on init-system-helpers incidentally anyway.  The correct versioned dep is something you can probably handwave past, since it'll be right for vivid anyway.
[16:57] <stgraber> rbasak: which as I said, is generated by dh-systemd
[16:57] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, that's my plan :) and the workaround I uploaded will cover people running old init-system-helpers until they get the new one.
[16:58] <rbasak> stgraber: ah, I see. I didn't realise it was already done (and unconditionally too I guess?)
[16:58] <rbasak> There are upstart jobs that use it though, so technically they should explicitly depend on it though we probably don't care in Ubuntu.
[16:58] <infinity> rbasak: His dep on init-system-helpers is for other reasons.  You should still be adding the explicit versioned dep where it looks necessary for the apparmor thing.
[16:59] <stgraber> yeah, apparently anything using dh-systemd gets a dep on init-system-helpers
[17:01] <jdstrand> fyi the apparmor 2.9.1-0ubuntu8 that just got published has rbasak's update
[17:01] <jdstrand> well, the one going through proposed migration that is
[17:03] <rbasak> jdstrand: thanks. I need to sync with hallyn as to who is uploading the other pieces.
[17:12] <jdstrand> oh, actually they aren't making it through proposed migration, they are in unapproved
[17:13] <jdstrand> slangasek: would you mind looking at click-apparmor and apparmor in unapproved? click-apparmor is snappy-specific. apparmor is snappy and distro. both went through citrain
[17:40] <infinity> jdstrand: Eh?  They were both accepted ages ago.
[17:41] <infinity> jdstrand: One was auto-accepted, the other was reviewed and accepted by me, which is what led to the above conversation. :P
[17:41] <infinity> slangasek: Ignore Jamie. :P
[17:42] <jdstrand> oh, ha
[17:42] <jdstrand> sorry I missed that
[18:03] <slangasek> infinity: ignore who?
[18:05] <infinity> slangasek: Nobody.
[18:06]  * slangasek nods
[19:18] <jdstrand> hey, so the systemd autopkgtest failure for apparmor is unlrelated to the apparmor change
[19:18] <jdstrand> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-systemd/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[19:19] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yeah, it also predates the apparmor change, too.
[19:19] <sbeattie> jdstrand: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-systemd/
[19:19] <sbeattie> I'm not sure why the excuses page lists it as a regression
[19:20] <jdstrand> reah
[19:20] <jdstrand> yeah
[19:20] <infinity> autopkgtest integration isn't terribly sophisticated in that regard.  "regression" means "it passed at some point in the past".
[19:20] <jdstrand> looks like lxc is still running, so I won't request anything other than to say that if we can mark that systemd one as non-blocking that's cool
[19:21] <jdstrand> (non-blocking for this time)
[19:21] <jdstrand> I can also come back later after lxc is done if that is easier
[19:22] <infinity> jdstrand: I'll keep an eye on it all.
[19:22] <jdstrand> infinity: thanks!
[20:09] <bdmurray> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/phased-updater-exclude-proposed/+merge/254436
[21:40] <jdstrand> infinity: hrm, lxc failed but I really don't understand the log: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-lxc/62/console. It looks like the previous one failed too
[21:41] <jdstrand> maybe something is in the private one
[21:43] <infinity> jdstrand: Looking in a second.
[21:44] <jdstrand> seems I don't have a valid QA lab setup. I can't see to connect with my old qa lab vpn configuration and the new vpn doens't resolve www.d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci
[21:45] <infinity> jdstrand: You shouldn't need QA VPN magic if you're on the new and improved VPN.
[21:45] <jdstrand> yeah, but, doesn't seem to work
[21:45] <jdstrand> let me try again
[21:46] <jdstrand> name resolution isn't working
[21:46] <infinity> jdstrand: Ask #is, you probably need to be added to a group.
[21:47] <infinity> Oh, but if name resolution isn't working, your VPN setup might also be bust.
[21:47] <jdstrand> ok
[21:47] <jdstrand> well
[21:47] <jdstrand> host www.d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci <ip address in resolv.conf>
[21:47] <jdstrand> Host www.d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[21:47] <jdstrand> I'll ask #is
[21:47] <infinity> Err, wait.
[21:48] <infinity> That's not a valid host.
[21:48] <infinity> Drop the www, for starters.
[21:48] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ host d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci
[21:48] <infinity> d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci is an alias for tachash.ubuntu-ci.
[21:48] <infinity> tachash.ubuntu-ci has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:49] <jdstrand> oh, maybe firefox tacked on www. when it couldn't find the original
[21:50] <jdstrand> I seem to be in now
[21:50] <jdstrand> qemu: terminating on signal 15 from pid 23466
[21:50] <jdstrand> adt-run [20:32:42]: ERROR: testbed failed: timed out on command ...
[21:51] <infinity> Yeah.
[21:51] <jdstrand> ok, let's see about the previous one
[21:51] <jdstrand> yeah, same thing
[21:51] <jdstrand> (different pid of course :)
[21:51] <infinity> Well, slightly different, there was more output before the timeout.
[21:51] <infinity> Barely.
[21:51] <jdstrand> ah yes
[21:52] <infinity> But this test is obviously a sad panda, and it's hard to blame it on apparmor.
[21:52] <jdstrand> indeed
[21:52] <infinity> stgraber: Pretty please make your tests less sad? :)
[21:53] <stgraber> infinity: working on it :)
[21:53] <jdstrand> well, we have some high level tests for lxc in our test plan and I know it works
[21:53] <infinity> jdstrand: Righto.  Letting apparmor in.
[21:53] <jdstrand> thanks!
[21:54] <stgraber> infinity: I know what's wrong with the lxcfs one, we'll need a new cgmanager to fix it though, just waiting for hallyn to come back to work (he's got the flu or something like that)
[21:54] <infinity> stgraber: The lxc one seems entirely unhappy in general.
[21:55] <stgraber> other than that, we have 3 lxc tests that are still failing, that's all of the apparmor ones (they just hang indefinitely in the test environment but not on a desktop system, trying to figure out why) and a generic ubuntu container test which appears unhappy too but is likely caused by the broken lxcfs
[21:55] <infinity> juju-core's tests look pretty special too.  Whee.
[21:56] <infinity> stgraber: Huh, weird.  There's nothing really special about the test environment, it's just a kvm instance of a cloud image.
[21:56] <stgraber> I've also confirmed that the whole lxc testsuite runs very happily on a non-systemd system :)
[21:59] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, could be related to cgroup setup which does vary depending on how you get your session (ssh vs local, su vs sudo, ...) or some fun race condition going on somewhere
[22:01] <stgraber> technically I could let both lxc and lxcfs in because they're no worse than what we have currently in the archive (the existing packages passed their adt but that was pre-systemd, a rerun under systemd would fail) but having them stuck is a good incentive for us to look into those problems :)
[22:02] <infinity> Oh, juju-core's tests seem to rely on upstart-as-system-init, yay.
[22:41] <bdmurray> stgraber: Could you have a look at this merge proposal? https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/phased-updater-exclude-proposed/+merge/254436
[22:42] <slangasek> oops just merged it
[22:43] <bdmurray> thanks!
[22:44] <infinity> Oh, well, that saves me the review I was about to do...
[22:45]  * infinity wonders who rejected it.


[03:07] <beuno> johnc4510: don't forget to add yourself in the credits in the bottom
[03:20] <johnc4510> beuno: ok   will do  ty
[05:32] <atoponce> boredandblogging: thx for the highlight in uwn
[05:33] <atoponce> or whomever put it in there
[05:35] <elkbuntu> well, he didnt take it out, so thank him for that ;)
[05:36] <beuno> atoponce: I think it was johnc4510  :D
[05:38] <atoponce> cool
[07:34] <jenda> hey tsmithe
[07:35] <tsmithe> howdy jenda; how's it going?
[07:35] <jenda> great :)
[07:35] <tsmithe> yay
[07:35] <jenda> Just came back from outta town where I did some massif translating :)
[07:36] <jenda> expect a barrage of attachments soon.
[07:42] <tsmithe> yay
[07:42] <tsmithe> expect some back :p
[07:50] <jenda> I even managed to overwrite one section of 22000 chars :/
[07:52] <tsmithe> jenda, come again?
[07:53] <jenda> tsmithe: as in, accidentally delete.
[07:53] <jenda> (File exists, are you sure you want to overwrite?)
[07:53] <jenda> :D
[07:53] <tsmithe> ahh lol
[07:53] <tsmithe> silly child
[07:53] <jenda> hehe
[07:56] <tsmithe> mm je veux retourner en france ou belgique; j'adore cette langue!
[07:56] <tsmithe> ok now that's out of my system, i really am away
[08:07] <beuno> jenda: hey!
[08:08] <beuno> how was the trip?
[08:15] <jenda> yo
[08:15] <jenda> Good :)
[08:15] <jenda> I made about $500 in translations ;)
[08:15] <jenda> Once I cash it in, that is.
[08:15] <jenda> If I ever finish it, that is.
[08:15] <jenda> I'm about halfway through now.
[08:15] <jenda> beuno: I had a question about rsync
[08:16] <jenda> beuno: I have my doubts about it's safety :)
[08:18] <beuno> jenda: money is always good
[08:19] <jenda> When rsyncing the huge email directory, I think there's a risk of overwriting data, because it always takes the newer version. The version on the flashdrive is 'modified' at the time of the last sync with either machine, and the one on the machine should be older if it is the machine the user hasn't been working on. If, however, he just opens thunderbird before syncing, it could touch the files, and cause them to overwrite those
[08:24] <jenda> (in fact, it seems to have happened)
[08:44] <beuno> jenda: hmmm...   interesting...
[08:44] <beuno> jenda: lemme research a little bit and get back to you with that
[08:44] <beuno> jenda: that might be solved if the PCs can sync time with a time server
[08:46] <jenda> really?
[08:46] <jenda> That shouldn't solve it.
[08:47] <jenda> If rsync uses the 'last modified' date, then any, even the slightest change, in the files on the 'receiving' computer will cause data loss.
[09:04] <jenda> whoa
[09:04] <jenda> and now I noticed that thunderbird doesn't actually use any of the transferred data.
[09:04] <jenda> I have no clue why :/
[09:14] <jenda> erm, no prolly my bad.


[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <dholbach> ajmitch, shall I sent some "please vote" emails for the apps which I worked on?
[07:03] <dholbach> to get them reviewed etc
[07:57] <tvnmsk> QUESTION: regarding app showdown: which location would be ideal to persist data? (in the form of xml or json file)
[08:22] <dholbach> tvnmsk, I'm not part of the organisers of the team, but I personally found dealing with json always a lot easier
[08:23] <tvnmsk> thx, but where to save these files?
[08:24] <dholbach> if it's user data, you might want to stick it into ~/.local/share/<app>/<datafiles>
[08:26] <dholbach> if you use python, you can even easily save simple objects by doing something along the lines of saving   json.dumps([a.__dict__ for a in objects])   into a file, which I personally find much easier than building an xml tree, etc
[09:19] <lemaire> quickly package command fails, is this a known bug? <http://askubuntu.com/questions/154534/quickly-package-command-fails>
[09:21] <dholbach> lemaire, can you please run 'debuild' in the source directory and paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com?
[09:21] <dholbach> "quickly package" unfortunately eats a lot of the useful output here :)
[09:25] <lemaire> dholbach, here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1053956/
[09:26] <dholbach> lemaire, does your first line in debian/changelog start with "Unity Bookmarks"?
[09:27] <dholbach> or maybe it's in debian/control?
[09:27] <dholbach> if so, please change it to "unity-bookmarks"
[09:31] <lemaire> debian/changelog is correct, but in debian control the first line is "Source: Unity Bookmarks"
[09:31] <dholbach> yes, please check it
[09:31] <dholbach> err
[09:31] <dholbach> change it
[09:31] <lemaire> when I change it to unity-bookmarks and try to run package, it changes back
[09:32] <dholbach> also in the stanza below
[09:33] <dholbach> there might be other places as well where it might be worth changing it
[09:34] <lemaire> ok, I'll check it out, I probably changed the name somewhere
[09:34] <lemaire> I'll get back to you, thanks
[09:35] <dholbach> :)
[09:37] <lemaire> I changed the name in setup.py and now it works, although I get a warning about sending credentials
[09:38] <lemaire> ** (setup.py:6251): WARNING **: Error sending credentials: Error sending message: Operation not permitted
[09:38] <lemaire> should I be worried or can I ignore this?
[09:56] <njallam> Hello!
[09:57] <njallam> Can I have some help with this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/154515/why-does-creating-a-new-tab-give-me-typeerror-expected-gtk-widget-but-got-gob
[10:11] <dholbach> lemaire, I'm not sure about what "sending credentials" might be - dpm?
[10:59] <dpm> dholbach, hm, not sure about the credential parts either
[11:28] <lemaire> dholbach, I'll just ignore the credentials part for now, it doesn't seem to be a big problem
[11:29] <lemaire> thanks for the help
[12:12] <dholbach> lemaire, de rien
[12:19] <gr8linux> Hi
[12:20] <gr8linux> I need to know which signal will caught the user "enter" on an "Enrtry" object
[12:41] <gr8linux> I need to know which signal will caught the user "enter" on an "Enrtry" object
[12:49] <tvnmsk> gr8linux, i'm not a part of the ubuntu app team, but you can take a look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/python/Gtk-2.0.html#Gtk.Entry , if the current implemented signals aren't those you needed you could maybe implement them yourself
[12:52] <tvnmsk> and you could also try out the standard singals by implemnting a callback (e.g. print)  and see which singal gets called when you "enter".
[13:37] <gr8linux> tvnmsk: Thanks
[13:44] <dpm> wow, nice to see we're getting more updates about submissions: http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppShowdown
[13:44] <dholbach> holy cow :)
[13:46] <dpm> :)
[13:50] <tvnmsk> gr8linux I hope it helps, i'm a beginner when it comes to ubuntu dev
[14:52] <dholbach> davidcalle, did you see the last update I pushed to my wikipedia lens branch? debian/copyright update?
[14:55] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks :)
[15:06] <Hairo> hey
[17:43] <pavolzetor> hi, are there any demographics about ubuntu users?
[17:44] <pavolzetor> I mean tech-savvy, basic users categories
[18:45] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/vg4gr/ubuntu_app_showdown_week_1_wrapup_ubuntu_app/
[18:46] <mhall119> read and upvote