[09:08] <ev> heads up - releasing a new ubiquity to take care of the slideshow variable issue
[09:10] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3705 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[09:10] <CIA-41> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup
[09:10] <CIA-41> ubiquity: 1.34ubuntu7, grub-installer 1.49ubuntu2, partman-uboot 3.
[09:17] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3706 ubiquity/bin/ubiquity-dm: Found another missing exception parameter.
[09:36] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3707 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.13
[09:46] <davmor2> cjwatson: is today a good day to look at that grub issue in hardy, although I need to take the MIL off to hospital in a bit so it won't be till after that
[09:52] <davmor2> cjwatson: Bug 185878
[09:54] <cjwatson> davmor2: hope so but I'm not sure yet
[09:56] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3708 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control): Add missing build dependency on keymapper.
[09:56] <davmor2> cjwatson: as I say it won't be till later any how I'll give you a shout when I get back :)
[10:00] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3709 ubiquity/d-i/update-control: Put keymapper build dependency in the right place.
[10:09] <ev> superm1: I'm not sure I understand the motivation for splitting out install_misc, given that the only place it's used is in the Install subclass.
[10:21] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3710 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.14
[11:56] <dmarkey> sorry for repeating myself, but is there a way to get the LVM partitioner to place /boot on the first partition
[11:58] <cjwatson> probably not automatically
[11:58] <cjwatson> I'm sure you can do it using the manual partitioner
[11:59] <cjwatson> or using a custom recipe
[11:59] <dmarkey> ok, well in that case can i disable the lvm partitioner
[11:59] <cjwatson> sure, please see the installation guide
[11:59] <cjwatson> why does it matter which partition /boot is on?
[12:00] <dmarkey> ah, xen specific issue, pygrub can only read menu.lst off the 1st partition
[12:01] <cjwatson> you could take the default recipe and edit it to add $primary{ } to the /boot stanza
[12:01] <cjwatson> I think that would do it
[12:01] <cjwatson> looks like the reason it isn't the first partition is that the LVM envelope is always set as primary (which is probably a bug in itself) and thus /boot doesn't need to be as far as partman-auto is concerned
[12:04] <dmarkey> cool, i'll do some research, is https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html my best reference?
[12:04] <cjwatson> yes
[12:05] <neriberto> hi people
[12:06] <cjwatson> dmarkey: I've changed partman-auto-lvm upstream to not enforce that the LVM envelope is primary
[12:07] <neriberto> someone can help me?
[12:07] <cjwatson> neriberto: see the topic - "don't ask to ask, just ask"
[12:08] <neriberto> i've been download a ISO of source...how can I rebuild this?
[12:08] <dmarkey> cjwatson: cool, so the plhsical volume will be sda5?
[12:08] <dmarkey> physical*
[12:08] <cjwatson> neriberto: could you please ask on #ubuntu?  none of our usual installation methods work this way so it doesn't really make sense on this channel
[12:09] <cjwatson> dmarkey: should be.  dunno if this will be in lucid though
[12:09] <dmarkey> cjwatson: sorry for being a pain, but where would i get the default recipe
[12:10] <neriberto> cjwatson but i am talking about ubuntu-server install
[12:10] <neriberto> from source
[12:13] <cjwatson> neriberto: the supported way to install ubuntu-server is from binaries
[12:13] <cjwatson> we aren't Gentoo :)
[12:14] <cjwatson> dmarkey: it's in the partman-auto source package, recipes/atomic
[12:14] <neriberto> tks
[12:21] <dmarkey> so i add $primary{ } and put the whole lot into: d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe?
[12:23] <davmor2> cjwatson: right I'm back
[12:23] <dmarkey> or is there partman-auto/atomic_recipe
[12:24] <cjwatson> dmarkey: it's in the installation guide
[12:25] <cjwatson> davmor2: I think I'm going to have to reproduce this before I'm able to comment
[12:26] <davmor2> cjwatson: Ah okay in that case I'll get on with some desktop testing just give me a ping if you find a cure :)
[12:28] <cjwatson> which gets back to the "my laptop's hard disk is too small" problem.  aargh.
[12:28] <cjwatson> roll on May ...
[12:38] <dmarkey> cjwatson: doesnt seem to be having an affect
[12:38] <cjwatson> ok, I'm not sure then, sorry
[12:39] <dmarkey> cool, thanks
[12:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: can you not just buy a bigger harddrive?
[12:41] <cjwatson> dmarkey: feel free to file a bug / send a mail or something with full logs; best if the installation in question was booted with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer
[12:41] <cjwatson> davmor2: I suck at hardware maintenance, don't make me do more of it ;-)
[12:42] <cjwatson> I'll get a new laptop in May on our hardware refresh programme, so I'll just make sure it has an enormous disk
[12:43] <ev> NAS + NFS for the win
[12:44] <davmor2> ev: samba share here
[12:46] <cjwatson> ev: yeah, I sort of use that for some things
[12:46] <cjwatson> I may start using it a bit more, but it does mean that I'm restricted when working remotely
[12:46] <ev> I just copy a few images and CDs over for that case
[12:47] <ev> but it means that I don't have to worry about deleting daily-live CDs, or where I'm going to put yet another image.
[12:47] <ev> copy over to my laptop, that is
[12:47] <cjwatson> yeah.  I do have more disk than I can conveniently contemplate using on my fileserver.
[12:47] <ev> heh
[12:48] <cjwatson> as in I haven't even allocated half of it to LVs yet
[12:48] <cjwatson> need to renumber UIDs on my fileserver to make NFS really convenient, though :-(
[12:54] <dmarkey> cjwatson: you could use nfsv4
[13:00] <cjwatson> yeah, I probably could
[13:01] <cjwatson> should look into that in fact, thanks
[13:15]  * ev bangs his head against the proverbial wall; this debconf_ui stuff is proving to be difficult to understand.
[13:15] <ev> cjwatson: is there a simple answer to why debconf_ui needs to run under a debconf frontend?  Also, am I barking up the wrong tree here, given that it doesn't seem to make use of the passthrough frontend.
[13:16] <ev> if you're busy, no worries.
[13:22] <cjwatson> ev: debconf-communicate isn't up to the task of providing a UI - you need a proper debconf frontend for that
[13:22] <cjwatson> and debconf_ui's purpose is to just let debconf do all the UI stuff
[13:22] <ev> ah, duh, right
[13:22] <cjwatson> ev: you may be barking up the wrong tree, I guess - remind me what you're trying to do?
[13:23] <ev> work around the fact that the debconf database is locked when I'm trying to install packages in do_install
[13:23] <ev> (in oem-config)
[13:23] <cjwatson> ah, yeah, you don't want debconf_ui for this
[13:25] <cjwatson> I think you should involve debconf-apt-progress somehow
[13:25] <ev> yeah, I was looking at that as well
[13:25] <cjwatson> there's an example in the man page that you should be able to adapt
[13:25] <cjwatson> the reason oem-config gets away with it is that it uses tasksel to install packages, which in turn uses debconf-apt-progress
[13:26] <ev> ah
[13:26] <cjwatson> but I don't think you should need to use tasksel necessarilty
[13:26] <cjwatson> -t
[13:27] <ev> cool, thanks for the pointers, and sorry for this taking so long for me to wrap my ahead around.
[13:34] <ev> just to clarify, this isn't to get debconf PROGRESS commands, but to be able to install packages to ask questions (postfix, in my test case).  I suspect this will require more than involving debconf-apt-progress as is, correct?
[13:34] <ev> err that call INPUT
[13:47] <cjwatson> no, that should be OK, debconf-apt-progress also shunts other debconf commands through passthrough
[13:47] <cjwatson> that's how packages get to ask questions during pkgsel in d-i
[13:51] <ev> cool, thanks
[14:16] <ev> awesome, I think I'm definitely on the right track now
[14:16] <ev> thanks a million, cjwatson
[14:18] <cjwatson> yw
[14:26] <dmarkey> cjwatson: it does work, pebkac
[14:26] <dmarkey> i was missing "$"
[14:26] <dmarkey> :(
[16:31] <CIA-41> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r46 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/iscsi_settings):
[16:31] <CIA-41> partman-iscsi: Remember the default network interface and record it in ISCSI_NETDEVICE
[16:31] <CIA-41> partman-iscsi: in iscsi.initramfs (LP: #473036).
[17:01] <CIA-41> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r47 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 12
[17:05] <CIA-41> grub-installer: cjwatson * r833 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[17:05] <CIA-41> grub-installer: Add $partition_offset to $bootpart when deciding which partition to make
[17:05] <CIA-41> grub-installer: active based on GRUB-style device names (found while testing fix for LP
[17:05] <CIA-41> grub-installer: #185878).
[18:02] <superm1> ev, it's because it can then be usable in other plugins.  each of those functions are currently used in some fashion in mythbuntu_install.py
[18:02] <superm1> ev, i figured this is the easiest way to get them access to them without code duplication
[23:10] <ev> But where are they or would be used that's not already a subclass of Install and can thus access them already?  Mind you, I'm not criticizing the approach, just trying to understand the rationale.
[23:10] <ev> superm1: ^


[08:34] <nthykier> Hmm... can anyone help me with LP: #653927 and LP: #653929 ? I cannot see where the error happens
[08:36] <nthykier> as in I cannot find the error in the log file


[01:45] <brainwash> bluesabre: is bug 1279470 fixed or still pending?
[01:47] <Pwnna> hey guys, did F12 got bound to something in 14.04?
[01:47] <Pwnna> i cannot set it to be a keyboard shortcut
[02:00] <brainwash> Pwnna: I don't think it's bound to anything
[02:00] <Pwnna> sure? because F12 currently doesn't launch my terminal anymore
[02:00] <brainwash> only in combination with some modifier keys
[02:00] <Pwnna> i can bind it to F10, and it will work
[02:00] <brainwash> interesting
[02:01] <brainwash> there is bug 1292290
[02:02] <brainwash> but it's only addressing window manager kb shortcuts
[02:05] <brainwash> Pwnna: can you please create a new user account and try to reproduce the issue?
[02:05] <Pwnna> brainwash: new user?
[02:05] <Pwnna> sure
[02:06] <Pwnna> gotta give me 5
[02:06] <RFleming> Greetings!
[02:06] <brainwash> no need to hurry
[02:06] <brainwash> hello RFleming
[02:12] <Pwnna> whoo
[02:12] <Pwnna> bug
[02:12] <Pwnna> brainwash: create a user when you have only 1
[02:12] <Pwnna> and then the indicator icon won't change to swtich user
[02:13] <Pwnna> hm
[02:13] <Pwnna> cannot reproduce with new user
[02:13] <brainwash> Noskcaj: sorry that I have to bother you once again, I got negative feedback regarding the menu icon tweaks. well, the "new file" don't seem to fit the "open in new tab/window" entries. I got the idea from pcmanfm.. but it somehow really looks bad after all. new final patch to revert this is already attached to the bug report. thanks :)
[02:14] <Noskcaj> ok. i'll fix it after lunch
[02:14] <Noskcaj> And it's fine, i've got nothing to do anyway
[02:15] <brainwash> btw https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8765
[02:15] <brainwash> I've attached this patch upstream ^
[02:16] <Pwnna> brainwash: is there anyway to check what is occupying F12?
[02:16] <Pwnna> i upgraded from 13.10. That should be something, right?
[02:16] <brainwash> Pwnna: sure, upload your kb shortcut config file
[02:16] <Pwnna> brainwash: where do i find that file?
[02:17] <brainwash> ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[02:17] <brainwash> it might be contain a broken entry
[02:18] <brainwash> deleting this file will restore the default keybinds
[02:18] <brainwash> after a relog
[02:23] <brainwash> Pwnna: what did you mean by "indicator icon won't change to switch user"?
[02:24] <Pwnna> brainwash: never mind that
[02:25] <Pwnna> brainwash: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4766900
[02:25] <brainwash> so it's not a problem which might affect other users?
[02:26] <Pwnna> brainwash: i don't think so? I use action buttons
[02:27] <brainwash> ah, so you mean indicator-session?
[02:27] <Pwnna> brainwash: yeah
[02:27] <brainwash> ok :)
[02:28] <Pwnna> but yeah, anything interesting in there
[02:28] <brainwash> don't know yet
[02:29] <Pwnna> now F11 is also not working
[02:29] <Pwnna> but F11 is frequently bindded by apps
[02:29] <brainwash> fullscreen
[02:29] <brainwash> I'll try to debug this tomorrow
[02:30] <brainwash> your config file should be useful
[02:31] <Pwnna> okay
[02:31] <brainwash> at this point I have no clue yet why keybinds fail to work
[09:21]  * elfy hates grub fatal errors
[10:02] <jhenke> hi folks
[10:02] <jhenke> elfy I can fully understand that hate for grub problem :)
[10:06] <elfy> tried with yesterdays daily too
[10:09] <brainwash> yet another broken thing?
[10:10] <elfy> not our issue though
[10:10] <elfy> back later
[11:22] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: ping me if you need more approvals
[11:33] <brainwash> ali1234: is your title-less windows patch complete and ready to be included?
[11:47] <brainwash> Noskcaj: oh, there is also another untiling issue bug 1110158
[11:48] <brainwash> well, is it still reproducible? I'm using the deskbar panel mode and did not notice anything odd yet
[13:07] <starrats> good morning
[13:07] <bluesabre> knome: will do
[13:08] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, if it was merged, its fixed (marking as so)
[13:12] <brainwash> bluesabre: thanks for taking care of it
[13:20] <ochosi> hey folks
[13:22] <elfy> hi ochosi
[13:25] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[13:25] <ochosi> what's up?
[13:27] <bluesabre> not much atm
[13:27] <jjfrv8> afternoon, ochosi, can I run some desktop issues by you?
[13:27] <ochosi> go ahead
[13:27] <elfy> upgrading little one's 1204 - it's not very quick process, it's upstairs and I'm not - it keeps asking questions :p
[13:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: that's a good thing though, right? :)
[13:28] <jjfrv8> I upgraded my main machine yesterday from Precise and I'm having some issues with the backgrounds
[13:28] <bluesabre> yes, indeed :)
[13:28] <elfy> bbs - also fighting grub on this machine - I love linux :p
[13:29] <ochosi> jjfrv8: there are some known bugs in xfdesktop
[13:29] <ochosi> check the unresolved ones in the xubuntu-t-bugs blueprint
[13:29] <jjfrv8> I have two monitors with an nVidia GT220 adapter and my backgrounds look like this now: http://imagebin.org/304088
[13:29] <ochosi> haha, nice
[13:30] <ochosi> have you tried to change the wallpaper at all yet?
[13:30] <jjfrv8> it seems like on my main monitor it's a composite of all the backgrounds I've tried
[13:30] <jjfrv8> on my secondary it's okay
[13:31] <jjfrv8> and the background on my greeter screen is my original wallpaper on both monitors
[13:31] <ochosi> ideally xfdesktop should take care of the transition of the configuration
[13:32] <ochosi> but i'd just try to re-set the wallpaper on both monitors with the configuration dialog
[13:32] <ochosi> have you tried that at all?
[13:32] <jjfrv8> yes
[13:32] <ochosi> the other thing you can try is to kill xfdesktop "killall xfdesktop", it'll respawn and hopefully draw the wallpapers correctly the second time
[13:32] <jjfrv8> okay, I'll try that
[13:33] <ochosi> then if that doesn't work you can always open xfce4-settings-editor and reset the xfdesktop channel (right-click the xfdesktop row on the left -> reset channel), then you get a clean configuration
[13:33] <bluesabre> bad day = rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4
[13:41] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I did the reset channel thing and that did seem to fix the problem... at least until I started customizing again :(
[13:42] <jjfrv8> now it's back to the same thing as before.
[13:46] <ochosi> :)
[13:46] <ochosi> so what are you customizing how exactly?
[13:47] <jjfrv8> a background image on primary monitor and solid color on secondary
[13:49] <jjfrv8> but it seems even putting a solid color on both, I end up with the composite stuff on the primary after a logoff
[13:54] <ochosi> so it works at first but after re-logging in it's borked?
[13:54] <ochosi> btw, how did you set up your monitors? nvidia's proprietary drivers or nouveau? xfce's dialog or nvidia's?
[13:57] <jjfrv8> nvidia's. all I had to do after the upgrade was reverse the position of the monitors in the nvidia settings dialog
[13:58] <ochosi> right, i have no idea whether that could create problems
[13:58] <ochosi> i myself use propr drivers but use xfce's dialog to set up my monitors
[13:58] <jjfrv8> btw, it seems if I stay with the stock background images, all is well, even with a different image on each
[13:58] <ochosi> you could try to use that instead
[13:59] <ochosi> a-ha
[13:59]  * ochosi shrugs
[13:59] <ochosi> ideally debug this a bit more and add all your findings in a bugreport upstream on bugs.xfce.org
[13:59] <jjfrv8> wilco
[14:20] <brainwash> jjfrv8, ochosi: bug 1276248
[14:20] <brainwash> maybe it's the same problem
[14:20] <RFleming> brainwash, that's decidedly better than the desktop not setting properly :)
[14:22] <brainwash> but it seems to be a rare failure
[14:24] <RFleming> brainwash, on 14.04 this happens every single log on, but I much appreciate a bit of distortion on log on than bug 1270261
[14:25] <brainwash> it still does?
[14:26] <RFleming> which, background distortion?
[14:26] <brainwash> "Desktop items have background"
[14:26] <RFleming> No
[14:26] <RFleming> that's fixed
[14:26] <RFleming> replaced with "desktop wallpaper distorted on boot"
[14:28] <brainwash> so the distortion happens again? or did it happen all the time since testing 14.04?
[14:28] <RFleming> it lasts about 2-5 seconds for me, usually contains the previous session's logoff screen in the 'box' attached to that bug then everything rights itself and I'm good
[14:28] <brainwash> ah, some nasty artifacts
[14:28] <RFleming> since testing 14.04, this is new
[14:29] <RFleming> it has replaced the 'Desktop items have background' bug
[14:29] <RFleming> once that was fixed, I started to see this
[14:29] <brainwash> we got even a report stating that the previous microsoft windows session was still visible
[14:30] <RFleming> ??
[14:30] <brainwash> after a switch from windows to xubuntu
[14:30] <RFleming> loading something from gpu memory?
[14:30]  * elfy has seen all sorts of things after a restart
[14:30] <brainwash> indeed
[14:30] <RFleming> agreed
[14:30] <elfy> RFleming: what card is this - what driver?
[14:30] <elfy> I guess nvidia with nouveau
[14:31] <RFleming> me? I've got an nVidia Quadro FX 880M
[14:31] <RFleming> and I'm using the prop tested drivers
[14:32] <brainwash> bug 1267742
[14:32] <elfy> mmm - wasn't seeing that previously with nvidia driver
[14:32] <RFleming> 331.38
[14:32] <elfy> brainwash: yea
[14:33] <RFleming> I'm also using uvesafb
[14:33] <RFleming> cus I like framebuffer :)
[14:33]  * elfy will install nvidia and check
[14:34] <RFleming> how can I take a screen capture on logon?
[14:34] <RFleming> Prt Sc?
[14:34] <elfy> RFleming: you see the artifacts at the greeter screen?
[14:34] <brainwash> I doubt that
[14:34] <elfy> camera
[14:35] <brainwash> or pen and paper :D
[14:35] <elfy> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162094788/CAM00031.jpg
[14:35] <elfy> RFleming: kind of like ^^
[14:35] <RFleming> elfy, no artifacts at greeter screen
[14:35] <elfy> so where do you actually see this?
[14:36] <elfy> once you've logged in and the desktop is starting?
[14:36] <RFleming> take a look at the screenshot attached to 1276248
[14:36] <RFleming> there's this dark box in it
[14:36] <elfy> bug 1276248
[14:36] <RFleming> when I log in, I have remnants of my previous session in that box
[14:37] <elfy> ok - new one on me :)
[14:37] <elfy> and is that from a restart or cold boot?
[14:37] <RFleming> and my screen gets scewed
[14:37] <RFleming> both
[14:38] <RFleming> what I end up seeing is my screen shifts about 30% left, and 15% down, and it wraps.
[14:38] <elfy> ok - I'll try here then - previously installing nvidia for me removed any issues with artifacts
[14:38] <RFleming> but it only lasts a couple of seconds, sorts itself out and I'm good to go
[14:39]  * RFleming is going to try and take a screen shot
[14:39] <jjfrv8> when I log in and out, switching users, I briefly see artifacts of the other users wallpaper before it settles down and shows mine
[14:40] <jjfrv8> and my wallpaper is screwed up unless I use one of the stock images (as reported earlier)
[14:41] <elfy> can't confirm that
[14:43] <RFleming> of course, now that I want it to happen, it won't :)
[14:43] <elfy> lol
[14:44] <elfy> I restarted with nvidia driver - this is when I would expect to find no artifacts on the desktop from previous experience - same this time
[14:44] <RFleming> I had my lappy logged off all night, when I logged in this morning I had that artifiacting... now it's working fine.
[14:44] <RFleming> I even restarted, with no issue.
[14:44] <elfy> I'll keep it as is for the time being and see if it is a random issue
[14:45] <RFleming> I just jumped on brainwash because I had that exact issue he was talking about when I joined.
[14:45] <RFleming> (the channel this morning)
[14:46] <elfy> :)
[14:48] <RFleming> overall though, I've been using 14.04 since late February and haven't had any real issues... just small things, and they typically disappeared (and subsequently replaced with other small things) in a relatively short period of time.
[14:50] <elfy> yep - not had much in the way of show stoppers here either, I've been running it since November
[14:50] <RFleming> I really need to learn how to search through launchpad for bugs though.  I have no clue how to.
[14:51] <RFleming> I had an issue that scribblezatcha helped me with
[14:51] <RFleming> the update a couple of days ago knocked out my sound indicator icon :)
[14:58] <brainwash> RFleming: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs is very handy
[15:00] <brainwash> and feel free to test anything from my PPA (if you are familiar with installing from a PPA)
[15:00] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[15:02] <brainwash> RFleming: the sound indicator is currently not launching automatically due to a change made by the ubuntu guys for Unity
[15:03] <brainwash> you can easily re-enable it via settings manager > session and startup > autostart apps
[15:04] <RFleming> yep.  Have done that :)
[15:05] <RFleming> brainwash, to be honest, I never even thought to look there :)
[15:05] <RFleming> then scribblezatcha suggested it, and voila
[15:07] <RFleming> oh, speaking of indicators.  Is there any way to change the priority of what's displayed on the power indicator?
[15:07] <ochosi> no
[15:07] <RFleming> :(
[15:07] <ochosi> it automatically decides what's more important/critical
[15:08] <RFleming> so a mouse that is discharging and a keyboard that doesn't exist trumps a laptop battery that's charging
[15:08] <RFleming> got it.
[15:23] <RFleming> Hey elfy, I've just noticed something in Settings.
[15:23] <RFleming> I now appear to have 2 'Additional Drivers' icons in Hardware.
[15:25] <elfy> yea - we know about that issue
[15:26] <RFleming> alrighty :)
[15:26] <elfy> the fix is pending
[15:29]  * RFleming grins
[15:29] <RFleming> I'm not worried about a fix coming, it eventually does
[15:35] <elfy> lderan: not sure if this is expected behaviour - had nouveau, no screensaver - set to Never, install nvidia driver - seems to set it to 1 minute - had to reset to Never
[15:36] <lderan> will look into that elfy
[15:36] <elfy> okey doke
[15:54] <brainwash> elfy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2215325
[15:54] <brainwash> your answer does not make any sense :)
[15:55] <brainwash> this is the 2nd time I hear/read about this problem with suspend
[15:55] <brainwash> but maybe it's just the same person
[15:57] <elfy> it does now ...
[15:59] <brainwash> thanks
[15:59] <brainwash> sadly no additional info in the original thread
[16:00] <elfy> nope
[16:00] <elfy> many threads in +1 are like that unfortunately
[16:05]  * GridCube is having issues with the suspension as well
[16:06] <brainwash> xfce related?
[16:06] <GridCube> i tried to restart xfce4-power-manager but it wont work after it goes to suspension
[16:06] <GridCube> when it comes back i can't open the power manager
[16:06] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1302244
[16:07] <brainwash> so you cannot open the settings dialog
[16:07] <GridCube> not after it wakes up
[16:07] <brainwash> did you try to restart the power manager?
[16:07] <GridCube> if it wakes up, at least once i had to force a reboot
[16:09] <brainwash> and did you try to create a debug log file like I've told you?
[16:10] <brainwash> running xfpm in debug mode inside a terminal window
[16:10] <GridCube> i tried to restart it yes it did nothing, ill try the debug now if you tell me how to
[16:10] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager --debug
[16:11] <brainwash> you might need to kill the currently running instance of xfpm before
[16:12] <GridCube> kay
[16:12] <GridCube> trying
[16:14] <GridCube> trying to run --debug says that its already running, even after i killalled it with and without sudo
[16:14] <GridCube> rebooting and trying again
[16:15] <brainwash> you can uncheck the autostart entry for it and then start it manually
[16:23] <GridCube> great, now is not comming back
[16:23] <GridCube> its awake, i can go to ttys but tty7 is not responding
[16:24] <GridCube> aaaand, pressing the powerbuton to call the login stage shutdown the computer properly
[16:24] <Pwnna> is there a way to create a new user account that has the new xfce settings
[16:25] <Pwnna> but keep all of my old account's stuff? like files with the permissions and such
[16:25] <Pwnna> i've upgraded this machien from 12.04 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04 and lots of settings are not working
[16:25] <brainwash> most xfce related settings are located in ~/.config/xfce4/
[16:26] <brainwash> renaming this folder should restore the default configuration on next login
[16:27] <GridCube> k i have to cook now
[16:27] <Pwnna> for example after i login with my current user my screen resolution goes to 1024x768
[16:27] <Pwnna> i'll try that
[16:41] <Pwnna> it worked!
[16:41] <Pwnna> brainwash: the F12 key is now working.
[16:41] <Pwnna> what's startup notifcation for keyboard shortcut, btw?
[16:43] <brainwash> Pwnna: I think it's used to trigger the busy cursor while the app is launching
[16:43] <Pwnna> oh
[16:43] <Pwnna> i wish there is a way to get a libnotify notifcation
[16:44] <Pwnna> wait
[16:44] <Pwnna> F12 is definitely hijacked by something
[16:45] <Pwnna> it worked and then stopped working
[16:45] <brainwash> dynamically?
[16:45] <brainwash> :D
[16:46] <brainwash> but it's a major annoyance
[16:48] <brainwash> customizability is an important part of Xfce
[16:48] <brainwash> so broken keybinds are bad
[16:50] <Pwnna> idk how this is not working
[16:50] <Pwnna> it worked and then stopped
[16:50] <Pwnna> i can relogin
[16:55] <Pwnna> brainwash: discovered something!
[16:55] <Pwnna> when i add a shortcut to super+F12 the f12 shortcut stops working
[16:55] <Pwnna> i can try it in a new user acc
[16:55] <GridCube> alright, executing sudo killall light-locker from tty1 let me go to tty7 and login to my desktop
[16:56] <GridCube> but the running terminal that had the xfpm --debug is gone so i dont know what it said
[16:56] <Pwnna> wait. in fact Super+F12 replaces F12
[16:58] <Pwnna> so if you create 2 shortcuts, Super+F12 and F12
[16:58] <Pwnna> the second one will replace the first one.
[17:01] <elfy> Pwnna: I can confirm that if there is a bug report
[17:01] <elfy> but I'm not here atm :)
[17:02] <Pwnna> elfy: you can confirm that?
[17:02] <Pwnna> idk which package to report a bug in
[17:03] <GridCube> Pwnna, i would do it agains xfwm4
[17:04] <Pwnna> okay
[17:04] <Pwnna> this is pretty major for me as both super f12 and f12 does important functionalities
[17:11] <Pwnna> elfy, GridCube https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1303404
[17:11] <Pwnna> can verify?
[17:15] <GridCube> can't. it works here
[17:15] <Pwnna> ok
[17:15] <GridCube> my f12 drops tilda, super-f12 sends the notification
[17:16] <Pwnna> okay.
[17:16] <Pwnna> well idk
[17:16] <GridCube> well. no. wait. tilda hears the f12 regardles of the shortcut
[17:17] <Pwnna> GridCube: 14.04?
[17:17] <GridCube> yes
[17:18] <Pwnna> hm
[17:18] <GridCube> no, my f12 does nothing after i kill tilda
[17:19] <GridCube> alright, weird
[17:19] <GridCube> i can confirm now
[17:19] <Pwnna> please confirm :P
[17:20] <GridCube> did so
[17:43] <GridCube> brainwash, :( now i consistently can't relog, all the time it leaves a blank screen
[17:45] <brainwash> check some log files
[17:45] <brainwash> like ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[17:46] <brainwash> and of course /var/log/syslog + /var/log/lightdm/
[17:46] <GridCube> k, should i append them all to my bug report?
[17:47] <brainwash> won't hurt
[17:56] <starrats> Question:  Where is the little volume control that used to sit on top of the screen next to the time/date icon?
[17:57] <GridCube> starrats, failing to load
[17:57] <starrats> it's not there for me now
[17:57] <Pwnna> GridCube: are you debugging when you login from sleep you get a blank screen?
[17:57] <starrats> is ikt just mine or is it a glitch in the version
[17:58] <GridCube> Pwnna, yes
[17:58] <GridCube> starrats, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009967.html
[17:58] <Pwnna> thanks
[17:59] <GridCube> Pwnna, you have the same issue?
[17:59] <Pwnna> yea
[17:59] <Pwnna> is there a bug? I can confirm
[17:59] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1302244
[17:59] <GridCube> Pwnna, thats my bug report
[18:00] <GridCube> but it has evolved from that
[18:00] <Pwnna> GridCube: wait. wut
[18:00] <Pwnna> you mean after you login there's no screen
[18:01] <Pwnna> you can run a Xrandr command
[18:01] <Pwnna> and get your screen back
[18:01] <Pwnna> but then i lose my mouse pointer
[18:01] <Pwnna> and then if you go to CTRL+ALT+DELETE and relogin again everything works
[18:01] <GridCube> i stopped the lightdm service and restarted it, then i could log in
[18:02] <GridCube> i tried to ctrl-alt-del but i got to the login and went back to a black screen, over and over again
[18:03] <Pwnna> GridCube: http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Problem-with-wakeup-td5062841.html
[18:04] <GridCube> Pwnna, yes i've seen that thread
[18:05] <Pwnna> yeah.
[18:05] <GridCube> Pwnna, can you open the xfce4-power-manager-settings?
[18:08] <Pwnna> GridCube: when
[18:08] <GridCube> after waking up your suspended pc
[18:18] <GridCube> Pwnna, you are correct, executing an xrandr does start the screen
[18:29] <Pwnna> so i think it's an issue with after login the screen cannot be found correctly
[18:29] <Pwnna> i see the new login screen is like.. another display
[18:29] <Pwnna> previously it's an overlay
[18:29] <Pwnna> so idk
[18:30] <GridCube> Pwnna, yes, now we use light-locker, previously it was the xscreensaver i think
[18:31] <Pwnna> yea
[18:31] <Pwnna> hm
[18:31] <Pwnna> GridCube: also when you wake up the screen brightness is at minimum
[18:38] <knome> xnox, any progress/idea with bug 1284910 ?
[18:43] <GridCube> Pwnna, i don't notice that
[18:49]  * starrats will wait until the xfce volume/sound icon to be fixed.
[18:50] <starrats> I temp. lost wifi  had to reboot the modem and router.
[18:51] <GridCube> starrats, did you not see the link i pasted you?
[18:56] <starrats> yes I did GridCube and I followed all the instructions, rebooted and lost the wifi plus i couldn't logon and had turn off the comp and did a restart.
[18:56] <GridCube> :(
[19:17] <eric_the_idiot> jjfrv8, if you can try xfdesktop from git it should fix your issue
[19:24] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: ah, new commit
[19:28] <eric_the_idiot> yeah, gotta keep you busy with your ppa ;)
[19:31] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone
[19:32] <CajunTechie> I'm looking to get involved as a Python programmer. Any suggestions/tips?
[19:33] <knome> CajunTechie, hey, you one of the people asking for that on the mailing list?
[19:34] <CajunTechie> Knome: Indeed I was :-)(
[19:34] <knome> CajunTechie, ok, did you read about the xfce python bindings?
[19:35] <knome> that would be generally useful to know
[19:35] <CajunTechie> No, I haven't yet. I assume that would be on the XFCE site then?
[19:35] <knome> there was a mail about them
[19:35] <knome> let me dig that up
[19:35] <CajunTechie> Ooh yes, I remember that discussion. That they could use some love
[19:36] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009985.html
[19:36] <knome> yep
[19:36] <knome> other than that, we're pretty late in the cycle, so not much we have time to get you involved with...
[19:36] <knome> ...but we will start working on the next release soon, and think what updates we want/need to land for 14.04.1
[19:37] <CajunTechie> Great! Then I will start beefing up for the next cycle then
[19:37] <knome> if you have an irc shell, it would be useful to follow how things usually roll by following this channel
[19:37] <knome> most of the xubuntu contributors are more or less active on IRC
[19:37] <knome> so it's the natural platform for a lot of discussion
[19:38] <knome> being around you will also get to know the nicks and people behind them
[19:38] <knome> and: welcome!
[19:38] <CajunTechie> True. Then I will do that. I always forget to start IRC but I'll just let my client idle and check in every now and again.
[19:38] <CajunTechie> Thank you!
[19:38] <knome> you might or might not remember me from the list: i'm the xubuntu project lead (until april 17th)
[19:39] <CajunTechie> Oh yeah, I do remember. I'm still getting names down so please forgive me not connecting
[19:39] <knome> no problem at all
[19:39] <knome> it'll take some time
[19:39] <knome> ochosi is simon, who proposed looking at the python bindings for xfce
[19:39] <knome> he's also the artwork lead
[19:40] <CajunTechie> Am i correct in assuming pyxfce is what I need to be looking at here?
[19:40] <knome> well, i don't understand "much" about actual development, but i'd guess yes :)
[19:40] <knome> and the thunarx-python stuff too
[19:41] <CajunTechie> Excellent. I'm there now and WOW, could use some love is an understatement. I'll also check out the thunar stuff
[19:41] <knome> usually it's best to work with stuff that will scratch your own itch, eg. fix a bug that annoys you
[19:41] <CajunTechie> True.
[19:41] <knome> and that's also a very motivating way to start contributing
[19:42] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs
[19:42] <knome> ^ that's the list of bugs we are working on *right now*
[19:42] <knome> we will try to fix as many of those for 14.04 release as possible
[19:42] <CajunTechie> Many thanks! THAT will come in very handy
[19:42] <knome> if you find a bug that is not marked with "fix released" and doesn't have an assignee, and think you can fix it, feel free to step up and mark yourself as assignee
[19:43] <knome> or just shout out in this channel that you are interested in working with that bug
[19:43] <knome> people will help you when they are around, if they can
[19:43] <CajunTechie> Excellent! Sounds like a very easy process
[19:43] <knome> well.. it should be ;)
[19:44] <knome> ...and the cherry at the top: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu.html
[19:44] <CajunTechie> I have to say, it's a much easier process than some other projects I've been part of. This looks fun
[19:44] <knome> our current progress towards the release
[19:44] <knome> we will most probably not hit 100%, but at least we have some idea where we are at
[19:45] <knome> and as you can see, most of the sub-blueprints are done
[19:45] <CajunTechie> Very ysefyl
[19:46] <knome> if you have any qeuestions... just ask
[19:46] <CajunTechie> + useful
[19:46] <CajunTechie> lol
[19:46] <knome> and again: welcome
[19:46] <CajunTechie> I will. I'm going to spend some time studying now and getting the lay of the land. Thank you again!
[19:46] <knome> no problem
[19:46] <knome> be back in a bit ->
[19:50] <Noskcaj> CajunTechie, If pyxfce is too daunting, (it's not been updated since 4.6 i think), bluesabre makes a fair few of our python apps, and might have some stuff you can work on
[19:54] <knome> there is infrastructure that runs on python too, which is what lderan mostly works with
[19:55] <knome> Noskcaj, we should do various of uploads before 10th for translation updates
[19:55] <knome> -of
[20:00] <lderan> hello :)
[20:03]  * Logan_ waves
[20:03] <lderan> hello Logan_ :)
[20:03] <Noskcaj> knome, I'm back, light-loocker crshed my pc again
[20:03] <Logan_> I'm a MOTU who's about to make the switch to Xubuntu, so feel free to give me tons of merge/sync requests :P
[20:03] <Noskcaj> hey logan
[20:03] <knome> ooh ooh ;)
[20:03] <Logan_> I heard there's a need for people with upload rights over here
[20:03] <Logan_> from a certain person named Jackson
[20:03] <knome> definitely...
[20:03] <Noskcaj> :)
[20:04] <knome> poke Noskcaj (your person), bluesabre and ochosi
[20:04] <Noskcaj> There's a fair few uploads waiting in the sponsoring queue
[20:04] <knome> that would be a good place to start
[20:05] <Noskcaj> thunar and xfwm4 spring to mind
[20:05] <Noskcaj> knome, Should we take some upstream git snapshots for translation updates, or is the a better way?
[20:08] <Noskcaj> i think my mouse has stopped working now
[20:08] <Noskcaj> the cursor
[20:10] <knome> Noskcaj, hrmph, i'd dicsuss that with people who know the conventions better
[20:10] <knome> i'd guess it depends what our current version in ubuntu is
[20:11] <brainwash> Noskcaj: untiling patch yes/no?
[20:11] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8765
[20:12] <brainwash> adding all these separate patches is a bit scary though
[20:13] <brainwash> but that's the ubuntu way I guess :)
[20:14] <Noskcaj> brainwash, If you need motivation, try to get as many patches in as gnome-control-center
[20:14] <brainwash> more patches than actual code? :D
[20:15] <Noskcaj> -0ubuntu54
[20:15] <Noskcaj> nuff said
[20:16] <brainwash> but isn't that some ancient version which gets patched to the limit?
[20:18] <pleia2> Noskcaj: is it possible that this regressed? Just had someone complaining about it on trusty, just updated their kernel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021
[20:18] <pleia2> closes lid, suspends even though they don't want it to
[20:19] <brainwash> maybe power-manager crashed and does not respond anymore
[20:19] <Noskcaj> pleia2, I've got the same issue. It's possible it regressed like that, could be something else though
[20:19] <brainwash> a regression is somewhat unlikely
[20:20] <brainwash> systemd did not change
[20:20] <brainwash> neither did the power-manager
[20:20] <pleia2> thanks brainwash
[20:21] <brainwash> but we got reports that the power-manager stopped working after the first suspend
[20:22] <pleia2> I'll ask
[20:23] <pleia2> I like suspend, so :)
[20:27] <Noskcaj> Unlikely, but http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=83b20fd2335a2cc54577019ea9af1a664a93ac28 could be related
[20:46] <jhenke> good night
[22:25] <ochosi> humm, some ppl report suspend problems
[22:25] <ochosi> and i'm wondering whether those are general suspend problems or related to greeter or locker
[22:26] <elfy> I've kind of seen some rumbling - but I've not been very awake - I can try tomorrow with this machine and the laptop
[22:26] <elfy> then whatever logs we need we can have
[22:27] <ochosi> problem is that for me suspend wasn't that reliable from the beginning in 14.04
[22:27] <ochosi> so it's not totally unlikely that it's related to other stuff
[22:27] <ochosi> (like graphics driver, etc)
[22:28] <elfy> suspend on this machine has always been solid
[22:29] <elfy> I just never do it - it being a desktop - seems a bit pointless
[22:29] <ochosi> yeah
[22:29] <elfy> and the laptop needs a new battery so it is plugged in to the mains ...
[22:43] <elfy> lderan: you know I said earlier that light-locker-settings was showing the blank screen at 1 minute after I installed nvidia
[22:44] <elfy> I set it to never - seems that since I logged back in it was at 1 minute again
[22:44] <ochosi> have you checked xfpm
[22:45] <elfy> ochosi: yea - that was all set to Never still
[22:45] <ochosi> have you checked "xset q" ?
[22:45] <ochosi> there are a few values you can check
[22:45] <ochosi> mostly the DPMS stuff
[22:45] <ochosi> and ScreenSaver
[22:46] <elfy> Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0
[22:46] <elfy> dpms ^^
[22:46] <elfy> prefer blanking:  yes
[22:46] <elfy> screen saver ^^
[22:46] <elfy> oh bah - ignore me completely
[22:47] <elfy> sigh - no don't ignore me lol
[22:47] <elfy> I did a clean install - thought I was in that for a moment ...
[22:47] <ochosi> oh bah, don't send me on emotional rollercoasters just like that! :p
[22:47] <elfy> ochosi: so this only happened after I installed the nvidia driver ealrier today
[22:48] <elfy> reinstalling nouveau - will check what that does tomorrow morning
[22:49] <brainwash> bug 1303493
[22:49] <brainwash> which package is causing this?
[22:49] <brainwash> surely not xfdesktop4
[22:50] <ochosi> debian-installer maybe
[22:50] <ochosi> not sure thogh
[22:50] <ochosi> though
[22:52] <lderan> elfy, will try that myself tomorrow, got an old pc with an nvidia card in it
[22:53] <elfy> lderan: ok
[22:54] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, reassigned it
[23:34] <jjfrv8> eric_the_idiot, thanks, but I'm afraid I don't know how to install from git
[23:34] <ochosi> maybe brainwash will put it in his ppa
[23:37] <elfy> ages since I needed numlockx - forgot all about that
[23:51] <knome> ochosi, poke Logan_
[23:52] <ochosi> what for?
[23:52] <knome> 23:03  Logan_: I'm a MOTU who's about to make the switch to Xubuntu, so feel free to give me tons of merge/sync requests :P
[23:52] <ochosi> weeee
[23:52] <ochosi> nice
[23:53] <ochosi> in that case, i'll prepare another upload for xubuntu-artwork with new icons
[23:53] <ochosi> i mean new icon sizes
[23:53] <ochosi> we just got a huge bunch of stuff fixed
[23:54] <Unit193> Wow, awesome.
[23:54] <brainwash> jjfrv8: https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[23:54] <elfy> wow
[23:54] <knome> Logan_, see? that's how much we needed uploaders...
[23:55] <elfy> ha ha ha
[23:55]  * elfy ensures that Logan_ 's arms haven't been snapped off
[23:58] <jjfrv8> brainwash, I already have that ppa installed but I see that xfdesktop got updated 4 hours ago. I'll try running an update.
[23:59] <brainwash> yes, the last upload contains the needed patch
[23:59] <brainwash> "fix for monitors not getting updated"


[14:40] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +291 cases (now 1.6 million), +1 deaths (now 28051), +20909 tests (now 11.3 million) since a day ago


[12:27] <ejat> is it ok to remove? or the package still in building process http://paste.ubuntu.com/11979447/
[12:47] <Laney> ejat: You should disable wily-proposed
[12:49] <ejat> thanks Laney :)


[07:18] <Hattori> that is the error
[07:19] <LjL> Hattori: your kernel version being 2.6.12 i suppose?
[07:19] <esher> ok
[07:20] <Hattori> ya
[07:20] <Hattori> LjL: ya
[07:20] <LjL> Hattori: is *there* something in /proc/acpi?
[07:21] <Hattori> LjL: acpi dir doesn't even exist =\
[07:21] <Hattori> apm is there, but no acpi
[07:21] <LjL> Hattori: don't you have perhaps acpi disabled in your bios or things like that?
[07:21] <Hattori> hmm
[07:21] <Hattori> how to check?
[07:22] <qbit> well if you just wanted to turn off acpi at boot you could put no acpi on the appropriate line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:22] <LjL> Hattori: what does "acpi_available; echo $?" tell you?
[07:22] <qbit> you'll have either apm or acpi, one or the other but not both - apm is an older precursor to acpi
[07:23] <qbit> if your hardware is that old you'll need to disable acpi and config apm
[07:23] <LjL> Hattori: anyway, i think the way to check is simply to go into the bios and find out where the acpi/apm related options are, and see what they're set to
[07:23] <Hattori> acpi_available; echo $?
[07:23] <Hattori> 1
[07:24] <Hattori> qbit: where should i find that line in menu.list?
[07:24] <LjL> Hattori: don't change your menu.lst before you're certain you don't have acpi support on your computer
[07:25] <Hattori> k
[07:25] <LjL> Hattori: really, go into your bios and check power management related options, before doing anything
[07:25] <qbit> I would agree with LjL here - verify exactly what you've got first
[07:25] <Hattori> let's see the bios if i find anything about..
[07:26] <LjL> Hattori: and by the way, how old is your motherboard
[07:26] <qbit> and what is the model?
[07:29] <Hattori> found acpi function
[07:29] <Hattori> was disablem
[07:29] <Hattori> i enabled
[07:29] <Hattori> quite old, dunno exactly
[07:30] <Hattori> PM control by APM?
[07:30] <LjL> Hattori: it doesn't matter now, if there is an option to enable acpi, then it's got acpi ;)
[07:30] <Hattori> yes/no?
[07:30] <LjL> i'd say "no"
[07:30] <Hattori> hmm k
[07:30] <LjL> though ghose options always confused me
[07:31] <Hattori> ok, rebooting
[07:31] <Hattori> let's see
[07:31] <Hattori> was "yes" before anyway
[07:31] <bl3ssing> what is an acpi/apm doing ...? LjL ?
[07:31] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:31] <qbit> me too - it always seems like their worded 'backwards'
[07:31] <LjL> bl3ssing: they manage power, basically... "power" in a broad sense: voltages, fans, ...
[07:31] <marisa> hola
[07:31] <bl3ssing> oh, I see. Thank you LjL ...
[07:32] <qbit> and fan speeds are controlled by 'pulse width modulation'
[07:32] <bl3ssing> how're you people? sleeping? ready to sleep? ... working? Cause I'm going to get some sleep right now since tomorrow I'll go to work ... :-((((((((((((( Mammmmaaaaaaaaaaaaa, why do I have to work instead of sleeping ....? :-)))
[07:33] <qbit> but I believe the upper case use of PM is generic to 'Power Management'
[07:33] <LjL> yeah
[07:33] <qbit> because if one doesn't work one will sleeping outside in the rain     :-)
[07:34] <LjL> but the option "pm control by apm" sounds to me like "do you want to use the old apm (yes), or the new acpi (no), even i'm not mentioning acpi?"
[07:34] <LjL> you know what those options are like... =)
[07:34] <qbit> lol
[07:34] <qbit> pm control also sounds like it means pulse modulation
[07:35] <qbit> which is the method used to vary the fan speed
[07:35] <LjL> don't think it's that there... and i don't think apm can control fan speed anyway
[07:35] <LjL> qbit: if you get a write error, do you cancel, retry, ignore or abort?
[07:35] <qbit> I think you're maybe right - that didn't come until acpi cam about
[07:35] <qbit> retry
[07:36] <Hattori> ok, the messages are disappeared
[07:36] <Hattori> but damn
[07:36] <LjL> and if you try to cancel an installation, and it says "do you really want to cancel?", you click yes, no or cancel?
[07:36] <Hattori> it still hangs at nvidia splashscreen =\
[07:36] <Hattori> no prob if i set "nv"
[07:36] <Hattori> how to see the boot sequence messages?
[07:36] <Hattori> where are they logged?
[07:36] <qbit> do you have the nividia glx packages installed?
[07:36] <Hattori> i installed the nvidia drivers
[07:37] <BleSS> if you have installed firefox, do you have this path /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/ ?
[07:37] <Hattori> following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual tutorial
[07:37] <qbit> look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:37] <Hattori> the fact is that once i install them they work, rebooting only kdm
[07:37] <LjL> Hattori: alt+f8 should show them, or /var/log/dmesg
[07:38] <Hattori> while if i reboot, it hangs =\
[07:38] <LjL> BleSS: yes i do
[07:38] <BleSS> LjL, ok, thanks
[07:39] <qbit> if your nvidia card is an old one you might need the nvidia-glx-legacy package
[07:39] <qbit> they split the driver/modules - for my old TNT2 Riva M64 I needed this
[07:41] <Hattori> so i should uninstall the nvidia drivers and install using apt-get?
[07:41] <qbit> have you made an update to your kernel lately?
[07:41] <Hattori> worked on hoary
[07:41] <qbit> if the kernel gets updated to newer these packages need to get updated too
[07:41] <Hattori> i upgraded to breezy and it didn't work anymore
[07:42] <qbit> you'll need to update all the nvidia modules/packages to the breezy versions
[07:42] <Hattori> ic, how can i completely remove all nvidia shits i've installed so far?
[07:42] <gochoo> I have configured pptp-client to connect to VPN server,and i connected, but after a few minutes it terminates because it sends a huge amount of data but recieves nothing, ANY IDEA?
[07:44] <qbit> blocked by firewall?
[07:44] <gochoo> qbit: then how to set firewall to enable it?
[07:44] <Hattori> how can i list and remove all *nvidia* stuffs to reinstall them?
[07:45] <LjL> Hattori: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
[07:45] <qbit> Hattori: I use th Adept that came with Breezy, it's pretty easy as it has a filter you use
[07:46] <qbit> gochoo: that's a really complicated question and I use Ipsec
[07:46] <Hattori> but it list the drivers installed using file got from nvidia site too?
[07:46] <Hattori> or i have to uninstall it in different way?
[07:46] <gochoo> qbit: hmmm
[07:46] <LjL> differen way i suppose, unless it was a .deb
[07:46] <qbit> but with ipsec there are other ports that need to get opened on the incoming side for things like gre
[07:46] <Hattori> hmm
[07:47] <qbit> so if you can send out and keep state the main traffic may return but these alternate 'side-channels' if they are blocked won't allow a handshake or authentication
[07:48] <qbit> one thing you can do to troubleshoot is to do a tcpdump of the incoming interface and compare it with your firewall logs to pinpoint exactly what isn't making the trip
[07:49] <gochoo> qbit: I understand that, but where to see firewall log?
[07:50] <qbit> I must confess to not knowing anything about linux firewall, I use pf on FreeBSD for my router gateway
[07:50] <qbit> but most logging is done in /var/log somewhere
[07:50] <gochoo> qbit: thanks, i'll try this
[07:52] <qbit> also I use ethereal    :-)
[07:52] <qbit> I cheat  :-)
[07:52] <gochoo> qbit: what is that? (sorry, i'm a newbie)
[07:53] <qbit> it's a network protocl analyzer   aka 'sniffer'
[07:54] <gochoo> qbit: hmm, does kubuntu have it by default?
[07:54] <qbit> no, but there is a package for it
[07:54] <gochoo> qbit: How can i download it?
[07:54] <qbit> me I just use the Adept package manager
[07:55] <qbit> but apt-get would probably do it too if you knew how
[07:55] <gochoo> qbit: can you give me a little hint about apt-get?
[07:56] <qbit> someone else would probably be better because I don't know enough about it
[07:57] <gochoo> qbit: ok, thanks a lot. I hope i can get info about apt-get from some forums :)
[07:57] <qbit> if you're still on hoary there is Kynaptic, which I guess is a replacement to Synaptic(Gnomish I believe)
[07:57] <qbit> these are all just GUI frontends to the apt-get command line stuff
[07:58] <sampan> gochoo, apt-get is just the package manager -- it's from command line.  to install a package the command is: "sudo apt-get install package.name".  to search your package list it's: apt-cache search search.term
[07:58] <qbit> but they all have one thing in common in that they need a /etc/apt/source.list file properly configured
[07:58] <qbit> and there are better instructions in the howto sections on the forum than I can give
[07:59] <gochoo> qbit: that would be nice?
[07:59] <qbit> lol
[08:01] <gochoo> sampan: I think this package manager will download this package from internet, according to the source.list? (Am i right)
[08:01] <sampan> gochoo, yes, that's how it works.
[08:02] <gochoo> sampan: :) thanks
[08:03] <gochoo> sampan: do you have any experience about VPN?
[08:03] <sampan> sure -- if you need to generate a /etc/apt/sources.list file ... try: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:03] <sampan> nope, sorry ... i don't know anything about vpn
[08:04] <gochoo> sampan: my problem was about vpn, pptp stuff, anyway thanks for your help
[08:04] <sampan> good luck :)
[08:14] <jazwec> Kamping_Kaiser hi..so please could you help me with that partitions? im just downloading the live CD
[08:18] <CarstenP> short question: which K-tool is able to play .mid files?
[08:19] <LjL> CarstenP: kmid i suppose
[08:23] <CarstenP> LjL: thank you, any idea why i dont have a /dev/sequencer?
[08:23] <LjL> CarstenP: no, but midi as always been a mess in linux
[08:24] <CarstenP> LjL: Okay, I understand, no problem
[08:24] <LjL> CarstenP: you can install timidity, which is a software midi sequencer. that will avoid troubleshooting your soundcard
[08:24] <LjL> CarstenP: on the down side, much more cpu will be used for playing mids
[08:25] <jazwec> please i have a problem...i have 2 partitions...one 170 GB for windows and one 0 GB for linux...and i want to uninstal win..
[08:25] <jazwec> so can i then make that 2 partitions together
[08:25] <CarstenP> LjL: thanks for the help i try timidity
[08:25] <jazwec> and make 1 200 GB for linux without reinstallling?
[08:26] <Hattori> nvidia-bug-report.log
[08:26] <Hattori> anybody know how to generate it?
[08:29] <Bushman> hello
[08:30] <Bushman> does anyone has japanese input in kubuntu?
[08:30] <Bushman> i'd apriciate if someone would guide me to set it up
[08:30] <KINGxOFxNOWHERE> anyone know of a good wireless AP scanner?
[08:32] <Bushman> a tip would be nice too
[08:35] <tomplast> hi people. got anyone time to help me?
[08:37] <tomplast> im not totaly sure of what I have done but every time i enter Kubuntu I need to write sudo dhclient eth0 :/. My connection is of the type ADSL and between the modem and my computer sits a router. can anyone help me?
[08:42] <Daddy_D> Is it possible to ask for a Kubuntu installation CD from the officials?
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> tomplast: you need to configure your /etc/network/interfaces file, you need a line 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp'
[08:43] <tomplast> nice channel :/
[08:43] <tomplast> i guess that i will have to look in the ubuntu channel then :/
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> uh, okay dumbass
[08:45] <Daddy_D> So does anyone know if that is possible, since I noticed they are available for Ubuntu at no cost?!
[08:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hi son
[08:47] <LeeJunFan> Daddy_D: not yet, they will probably be offering CD's for next verision though. I'm sure someone must have kubuntu CD's for sale though.
[08:47] <mymayer> why does my xmms work and amarok not. I treid amarok with xine-alsa and art, but nothing works. xmms woks witch alsa like a cake
[08:48] <KINGxOFxNOWHERE> probably because you need the gstreamer plugins for the amarok engine
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: my amarok is working with xine, gstreamer seems to have some suckage.
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: probably want to install lame and libmad too.
[08:50] <KINGxOFxNOWHERE> gstreamer engine has an assortment of plugins for all types of media formats, they needs installed registered in gstreamer (type gst-register-0.8)
[08:50] <Daddy_D> ok
[08:50] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: gsstream is not working anyway, what is lame and libmad ?
[08:50] <mymayer> KINGxOFxNOWHERE: i know, i installed gsstream-alsa, but it doesnt work
[08:51] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: libraries basically that go along with playing mp3's.
[08:51] <mymayer> ok
[08:55] <apachelogger> Tm_T: hey mom
[08:56] <_osh> LeeJunFan: Good hint. Replaced gstreamer with xine in amarok and now all my mp3's work again. Thanks!!
[08:56] <Tm_T> xine yuk
[08:56] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: apt-get install lame doesnt work ?
[08:57] <fatejudger> xine is way better than gstreamer
[08:57] <Obsidians> fatejudger: Why's that?
[08:57] <Tm_T> fatejudger: not always
[08:57] <fatejudger> gstreamer doesn't work so well with my sound card
[08:58] <Tm_T> haha
[08:58] <fatejudger> and it has the hardest time streaming music and video
[08:58] <fatejudger> it works a lot better with my laptop
[08:58] <fatejudger> dunno why
[08:59] <mymayer> Tm_T:  can you help me with xine and amarok ?
[08:59] <LeeJunFan> !tell mymayer about repos
[08:59] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  i know that
[08:59] <mymayer> but how to find out, which sources to add LeeJunFan  ?
[09:00] <adina> hi - I just installed the latest Ubuntu - and whenever I try to access  my logitech quickcam messenger (usb) the whole system locks.....  any suggestions?
[09:00] <Tm_T> adina: same happens here, it's driver bug
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: lame is in multiverse
[09:01] <mymayer> there are enaugh bugs in breezy like the on wiuth c n`q
[09:01] <mymayer> ok
[09:02] <adina> when i load kanotix live cd, it works perfectly, so what could the dif be?
[09:02] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security multiverse main
[09:02] <mymayer> that way ?=
[09:02] <mymayer> oh damn, wrong one
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: basically any of them that are not deb-src
[09:03] <mymayer> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[09:03] <adina> Tm_T:
[09:04] <adina> Tm_T: why would kanotix have no probs with it?
[09:04] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  still doesnt work
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: after you uncomment do apt-get update
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: then apt-get install lame
[09:04] <mymayer> done it before
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: do apt-get install libmad0 - that one is more important anyway.
[09:05] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: sorry
[09:06] <mymayer> i missed, there way deb-src..
[09:06] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: ah, okay.
[09:06] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  ok both isntalled, what now ?
[09:06] <adina> the latest driver i found is qc-usb-messenger-0.9 but it gives me errors when installing - something about kernel compiler not matching the kernel or something
[09:06] <LeeJunFan> close any open amarok you have, then try it again.
[09:07] <mymayer> done
[09:07] <mymayer> deinstalled amarok just to be sure
[09:07] <mymayer> reinstalling
[09:07] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: I have my engine settings in amarok set to xine-engine, output plugin: autodetect.
[09:07] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  should /can i use xine ?
[09:07] <Tm_T> adina: different drivers
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: I have had 0 luck with gstreamer
[09:08] <mymayer> me too
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: xine works flawlessly for me.
[09:08] <mymayer> ok
[09:08] <mymayer> which soundcard do you have ?
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller
[09:09] <mymayer> ah ok
[09:10] <adina> another problem i am having is that Ubuntu puts bad horizontal scan lines in videos when i watch full screen
[09:12] <Hattori> is it any command to show motherboard type and bios version?
[09:12] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  it worked, THANK YOU
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: good, & your welcome.
[09:13] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  are there any cool plugins for amarok ?
[09:13] <apachelogger> mymayer: yo, xine
[09:13] <mymayer> :)
[09:13] <mymayer> done it :)
[09:13] <apachelogger> and helix in some strange way
[09:13] <Hattori> mymayer: still trying toi get nvidia to work =\
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: I'm sure there are, but I really haven't played around with it much.
[09:13] <mymayer> Hattori: i got it :)
[09:13] <Hattori> i know
[09:13] <Hattori> but i can't
[09:14] <Hattori> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=57376
[09:14] <mymayer> Hattori: one questin
[09:14] <Hattori> and many others can't seems
[09:14] <mymayer> do you have frambuffer activated ?
[09:15] <Hattori> dunno
[09:15] <Hattori> how to check?
[09:16] <mymayer> how it fails on startup
[09:16] <mymayer> give me the xrog log
[09:17] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: can you help me . When iam connected to teamspeak, my lineout is directly heading to mic
[09:17] <mymayer> When iam trying to use a com-tool, my lineout is directly heading to mic. How to fix that ?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: teamspeak doesn't like arts in kde, so you need to disable arts, you can do so by issuing the command artsshell suspend just before loading teamspeak, you will have to stop any applications using arts - ie. amarok.
[09:19] <Tm_T> why amaroK would use arts?
[09:19] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: hmm, but i run amarok with xine ?
[09:19] <Tm_T> (why use arts at all ;p)
[09:19] <apachelogger> Tm_T: because it's user became insane ;-)
[09:19] <Tm_T> rebooting ->
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> xine is still using /dev/dsp
[09:19] <mymayer> LeeJunFan, Tm_T : can i just deinstall arts ?
[09:19] <apachelogger> eh?
[09:19] <apachelogger> alsa
[09:19] <apachelogger> dmix
[09:19] <apachelogger> pff
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: no, dont' do that.
[09:19] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: ok
[09:20] <apachelogger> mymayer: you could if there weren't deps ;-)
[09:20] <mymayer> ;)
[09:20] <mymayer> so how to fix it now ?
[09:20] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: yeah, but then you could only listen to one sound stream at a time.
[09:21] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: ok. So what to do to run teamspeak properly ?
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: stop any app currently playing any sound, run 'artsshell suspend && teamspeak'
[09:22] <mymayer> i will not be able to here mp3 while in teamspeak ?
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: nope.
[09:23] <mymayer> your joking or ?
[09:23] <mymayer> What should that be fore in linux ?
[09:24] <mymayer> In common, why is linnux so badly supporting sound in any case ?`
[09:24] <apachelogger> start teamspeak with aoss infront of the executable
[09:24] <apachelogger> well, aoss should be installed ;-)
[09:24] <apachelogger> mymayer: actually a lot because of oss and alsa
[09:25] <apachelogger> oss the "older" one is quite easier to code and still more spread
[09:25] <mymayer> apachelogger: how to install oss ?
[09:25] <apachelogger> oss doesn't support mixing of sources at software level
[09:26] <apachelogger> so if your card isn't well supported it will be the same/even worse crap
[09:26] <mymayer> that would mean
[09:26] <mymayer> i have a audigy 2
[09:26] <apachelogger> no way
[09:27] <apachelogger> mymayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/sound/alsa-oss
[09:27] <apachelogger> the application aoss is some kind of emulator
[09:28] <apachelogger> it makes it able to use oss and alsa applications at the same time
[09:28] <apachelogger> though it's not working always ... like every emulator ;-)
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> apachelogger: yeah, there's one for arts too, artsdsp but it doesn't work with teamspeak.
[09:29] <apachelogger> well artsdsp isn't working very much
[09:29] <apachelogger> and I'd not use it for voice chat since it causes a big lag
[09:32] <Hattori> how to check cpu load?
[09:32] <adina> well, unfortunately, i think i will have to switch to kanotix..... no one has any ideas how to get my logitech web cam working, hey?
[09:32] <madd_matt> adina : what model is it?
[09:32] <apachelogger> Hattori: cmd-line -> top | gui -> ksysguard
[09:32] <adina> qc messenger usb
[09:33] <apachelogger> usb is bad at all
[09:33] <apachelogger> s/at all/in general
[09:33] <jazwec> please...i need help...how can i format my windows partition to ext3 and then mount it to my existing kubuntu partition
[09:34] <sophie_> jazwec: without loosing your data?
[09:34] <jazwec> sophie yeah
[09:35] <apachelogger> O.o
[09:35] <sophie_> jazwec: I dont think its possible
[09:35] <apachelogger> that sounds kind impossible without a 2nd linux
[09:35] <jazwec> oh..i think without loosing my linux data
[09:35] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:35] <jazwec> i want to absolutely remove win...
[09:35] <apachelogger> that makes it more complicate
[09:36] <apachelogger> use a live cd
[09:36] <apachelogger> eg knoppix ;-)
[09:36] <sophie_> why not just mount your win drive and copy the data
[09:36] <apachelogger> nah
[09:36] <apachelogger> won't work
[09:36] <apachelogger> locking etc.
[09:36] <artnay> is there any way to set konqueror to act a bit like nautilus when one wants to rename a file? by default nautilus won't change the extension, it just highlights all text before .ENDing
[09:37] <apachelogger> jazwec: take a live cd, format your windows and then copy your kubuntu installation to the newly formated partition
[09:37] <apachelogger> then you can boot kubuntu again
[09:37] <jazwec> i dont want to uninstall my linux :( i was making on it whole day
[09:37] <apachelogger> but attention!
[09:37] <apachelogger> keep the MBR
[09:37] <apachelogger> else you won't be able to boot
[09:38] <Hattori> any mysql master?
[09:38] <apachelogger> #mysql ;-)
[09:39] <os2mac> is there a hotkey to make the background slideshow switch backgrounds?
[09:39] <apachelogger> artnay: erm, bah!
[09:39] <apachelogger> why shell we know nautilus?
[09:39] <apachelogger> #gnome
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> how do you add a new user?
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> in KDE
[09:39] <apachelogger> os2mac: don't think so
[09:39] <artnay> apachelogger: I'm not asking about nautilus. I just say that Nautilus does that better than Konqueror
[09:39] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: systemsettings
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> apachelogger: in where?
[09:40] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: you could also use the cmd-line tool "adduser"
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> ok
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> that seems better for me
[09:40] <apachelogger> well
[09:40] <apachelogger> kde
[09:40] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: kuser
[09:40] <artnay> and I wanted to know if there's a way to change the behaviour. if there's not, maybe that would be a nice feature request
[09:40] <apachelogger> or start systemsettings
[09:40] <apachelogger> that's a app ;-)
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> apachelogger: thanks alot dude :D
[09:41] <apachelogger> artnay: gnome's propaganda always says that we have too much options so yeah there is a way to chane the behaviour
[09:41] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: no problem
[09:42] <artnay> apachelogger: hahha, thought so. like to tell me how? ;)
[09:42] <apachelogger> artnay: dude I don't know what you mean and I don't know how nautilus acts in general
[09:42] <apachelogger> the time I used nautilus is 2 years ago
[09:42] <artnay> apachelogger: you're just being arrogant.
[09:43] <apachelogger> artnay: nah, I just don't know what you mean
[09:43] <apachelogger> it's like going to microsoft and ask how explorer get act like konqi
[09:43] <apachelogger> well, have to relogin
[09:44] <artnay> let me demonstrate: I have a file called "pla pla.mp3" and I want to rename it. I hit f2 or then do it with mouse. When I do that with Konqueror, it wants to change the whole name ("pla pla.mp3"). In nautilus this would only change "pla pla", not the .mp3 part.
[09:45] <artnay> there should be a possibility to enable this kind of behaviour
[09:45] <adina> how do i tell what kernel i am using?
[09:45] <artnay> uname -r
[09:45] <adina> thx
[09:45] <artnay> so is Konqueror still lacking this option?
[09:45] <artnay> let me demonstrate: I have a file called "pla pla.mp3" and I want to rename it. I hit f2 or then do it with mouse. When I do that with Konqueror, it wants to change the whole name ("pla pla.mp3"). In nautilus this would only change "pla pla", not the .mp3 part.
[09:46] <artnay> apachelogger: that's what I meant
[09:46] <adina> what is the laatest kernel?
[09:46] <artnay> adina: check www.kernel.org
[09:46] <Hattori> holy shit, maybe the nvidia works now..
[09:46] <apachelogger> artnay: ahhhh
[09:46] <artnay> apachelogger: do you think that Konqueror is acting right in that kind scenario?
[09:47] <apachelogger> imo yes
[09:47] <artnay> there should be an option to change that.
[09:47] <apachelogger> but I see your point
[09:47] <adina> is it easy to update the kernel?
[09:47] <apachelogger> artnay: yeah but .... gnome propaganda ;-)
[09:47] <artnay> so that would be one of my feature requests
[09:47] <sophie_> adina: apt-get upgrade
[09:47] <artnay> apachelogger: what is? I've always thought ppl say KDE to be more flexible
[09:48] <artnay> although I can't say if I can revert the behaviour of nautilus to be like Konq's
[09:48] <apachelogger> artnay: yeah but gnomes always tell pees that this is a disadvantage
[09:48] <adina> says nothing to upgrade
[09:48] <sophie_> adina: well then no kernel to upgrade
[09:48] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, being able to tweak? well that's like being trapped on win xp desktop. ;)
[09:48] <mymayer> apachelogger: i got also-oss installed
[09:48] <mymayer> what to do now ?
[09:49] <hunika> hello everybody
[09:49] <hussam> adina: did you do apt-get update first then apt-get upgrade ? there was a kernel update for breezy to 2.6.12-10 the other day
[09:50] <hussam> adina: if you have 2.6.12-10 then that's the later one for breezy
[09:51] <sophie_> hello hunika
[09:52] <artnay> apachelogger: is that what you meant? GNOME ppl saying it's bad to have a choice to tweak instead of "rationale" default settings that might be changed via terrible gconf tool or some text file in /god/knows/where or in next version?
[09:52] <adina> 2.6.12-9-686 is the version....
[09:52] <apachelogger> artnay: gnome not always has rationale defaults ... and gnome has in general less functions, but yeah that's what I meant
[09:55] <artnay> apachelogger: well then I agree with you. but I can't make .mp3 file to be .ogg just renaming, now can I? that's a missing feature. one should have possibility to choose from those two kind of behaviours
[09:55] <apachelogger> artnay: bugs.kde.org
[09:55] <apachelogger> one doesn't just rename mp3s ;-)
[09:56] <sophie_> apachelogger: why rename mp3s when you have amarok
[09:57] <apachelogger> ah yeah :D
[09:57] <mymayer> apachelogger: i got also-oss installed, how to start teamspeak now ??
[09:57] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, I just thought to ask before filing a feature request. I've been looking for that feature since I started using 3 branch of KDE
[09:57] <apachelogger> mymayer: on konsole
[09:57] <apachelogger> aoss [name]
[09:58] <apachelogger> aoss ./TeamSpeak.bin
[09:59] <apachelogger> or aoss [path] /TeamSpeak.bin
[10:00] <apachelogger> artnay: are you renaming that often?
[10:00] <apachelogger> ...renaming mp3s
[10:01] <mymayer> ok
[10:02] <mymayer> apachelogger: /home/mayer/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak: line 8: 17828 Speicherzugriffsfehler  /home/mayer/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak.bin $*
[10:02] <mymayer> means : memory acces error
[10:02] <apachelogger> one moment I'll install aoss
[10:04] <artnay> apachelogger: no, that could be solved by using sed/awk/perl/whatever, but in order to get more GNOME-oriented users to use KDE, KDE should be able to act more like GNOME apps if they do something better than KDE equivalents
[10:05] <artnay> in this case I think there's no reason to change the ending as one can't change jpg to png or mp3 to ogg that way
[10:05] <bsdboy> Does anyone know how well SIi 3112 RAID controller is supported on Linux 2.6.x ?
[10:05] <hunika> which is better kde or gnome? In my opinion kde is much more user friendly
[10:06] <artnay> I'm not saying KDE should change their defaults, but bringing this as an option would be a nice thing to do
[10:06] <apachelogger> hunika: kde
[10:06] <hunika> I use kde too
[10:06] <apachelogger> artnay: well, dunno maybe there is a reason why it selecets everything
[10:07] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, but I can't think any at the moment
[10:07] <hunika> but why is gnome so undeveloped, I mean without visual styles
[10:07] <artnay> hunika: ask GNOME-devs
[10:08] <artnay> and it's more more easier to make metacity borders than kwin decs
[10:08] <hunika> :D :D :D
[10:08] <apachelogger> artnay: me neither
[10:08] <sophie_> quit
[10:08] <hunika> but anyway gnome is not so wide spread like kde or is it?
[10:08] <apachelogger> mymayer: outlook is bad
[10:09] <apachelogger> hunika: not in europe ;-)
[10:09] <mymayer> apachelogger: outlook ?
[10:09] <apachelogger> you know .. europe like quality :P
[10:09] <apachelogger> mymayer: naja, sieht schlecht aus
[10:09] <mymayer> apachelogger:  dont use bad words :)
[10:09] <apachelogger> :P
[10:09] <mymayer> apachelogger:  flucht der hier ffentlich :D
[10:09] <artnay> hunika: because those two DEs have different kind of users in their dev minds
[10:10] <artnay> cox summed it up pretty good
[10:10] <mymayer> where do i find zsh-completition
[10:10] <hunika> anyway in my opinion kde is the best, user friednly, with beautifull visual styles
[10:11] <artnay> hunika: glad you like it. :)
[10:11] <apachelogger> mhhh
[10:11] <apachelogger> kde 4 is gonna be cool
[10:11] <hunika> I would like to have cross over office. How can I get????????????
[10:11] <apachelogger> hunika: order it
[10:11] <hunika> I would like a trial think
[10:11] <hunika> and if can be cracked? :D
[10:12] <apachelogger> O.o
[10:12] <apachelogger> Jeez!
[10:12] <apachelogger> hunika: #warez
[10:12] <artnay> crack my head
[10:12] <mymayer> apachelogger: how is gimg compared to ps ?
[10:13] <apachelogger> bullshit
[10:13] <apachelogger> use krita ;-)
[10:13] <apachelogger> mymayer: gimp has some big usability issues imo
[10:13] <apachelogger> ..still
[10:13] <apachelogger> mymayer: for "normal" drawing I suggest krita
[10:14] <hunika> I can not write in the main panel in #warez
[10:15] <_osh> hunika: I think asking for warez in here is wrong. Most things in linux are free and if you need something "not free" you should buy it.
[10:15] <arcanistherogue> how do I turn off that hover effect on the panels? when I hover over an Icon, it says stuff like "KMenu", and I am already aware of what Icon I am hovering over >_<
[10:15] <hunika> :D :D
[10:16] <nalioth> hunika: you should ask about your problems with #warez, in #warez
[10:16] <mymayer> apachelogger: i need something with layer, something prof. not just A tool
[10:16] <mymayer> layers, filters, masks
[10:16] <apachelogger> krita got them
[10:17] <mymayer> aha
[10:17] <mymayer> and gimp ?`
[10:17] <apachelogger> got them as well
[10:17] <mymayer> everybody says "gimp"
[10:17] <apachelogger> but it's still more professionall
[10:17] <apachelogger> well, like everybody says ps
[10:17] <apachelogger> I've seen 3 peeps using ps as it was meant to
[10:17] <mymayer> which is more prof. gimp or krita ?
[10:17] <apachelogger> gimp
[10:17] <mymayer> ok
[10:18] <mymayer> yeah ps is huge, and ia mean HUGE
[10:18] <mymayer> apachelogger: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=9337687&forum_id=88585
[10:18] <apachelogger> though krita is still impoving
[10:18] <mymayer> word up germanya..
[10:18] <apachelogger> so keep it on your list ;-)
[10:19] <apachelogger> mymayer: I like bild
[10:19] <apachelogger> though I'm a part of google and google is a par of me, I have to hack them now
[10:20] <artnay> apachelogger: Ok, it work while using detail view. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58749
[10:20] <artnay> +s
[10:20] <mymayer> apachelogger: you like bild ? i dont need to comment that
[10:21] <apachelogger> artnay: ah ... so there is probably a reason why it doesn't work in icon view ;-)
[10:21] <artnay> so it's been around for... 2,5 years now :o
[10:21] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, a bug ;D
[10:21] <apachelogger> mymayer: well, bild is making 50% of german comedy ... you have to like it
[10:21] <apachelogger> without bild life would be even more boring
[10:21] <apachelogger> artnay: you think?
[10:21] <mymayer> apachelogger:  yes and no. Its hard understanding ppl believung that
[10:22] <apachelogger> mymayer: well people think the eu is a usefull "club"
[10:22] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, read #11
[10:22] <apachelogger> om2
[10:22] <apachelogger> *omg2
[10:23] <apachelogger> artnay: maybe you should talk to a konqueror developer
[10:23] <artnay> well at least I'm not blind ;)
[10:23] <artnay> apachelogger: and say what? you have a great product and such, but there's one bug
[10:23] <artnay> :D :D :D
[10:24] <apachelogger> artnay: nah that the bug is still open
[10:24] <artnay> no. actually, mouse gestures are buggy as well. and there's no undo action after closing a tab
[10:24] <apachelogger> this bug is a unneeded bug
[10:24] <artnay> but still konqueror is my fav over nautilus, finder, explorer, rox, mc
[10:25] <mymayer> i prever the shell :)
[10:25] <mymayer> prefer
[10:25] <mymayer> but i need zsh-completition now :d
[10:25] <mymayer> where can i find it ?
[10:25] <thompa> hi
[10:25] <mymayer> and how to install a *.deb file ?
[10:26] <thompa> i installed ndiswrapper, do i need to remove any other drivers ?
[10:27] <thompa> my original one is the ipw2200, but now ive got ndiswrapper
[10:28] <apachelogger> mymayer: dpkg -i [file]
[10:29] <apachelogger> mymayer: package.ubuntu.com <-- to search for zsh-completition
[10:29] <thompa> !mplayer
[10:29] <ubotu> mplayer is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[10:29] <apachelogger> errr ... packages.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <thompa> anybody here
[10:33] <Mitja> I've installed all possible audio codecs and still get no sound when playing .avi movie. Otherwise I play mp3s just fine. Any solutions?
[10:35] <Mitja> I've tried in Kaffeine, mplayer and Totem Xine
[10:37] <mymayer> apachelogger: http:\\package.ubuntu.com doesnt work
[10:37] <mymayer> ah
[10:38] <thompa> can someone help me with ndiswrapper?
[10:39] <thompa> ive installed it, added it to modules for boot
[10:39] <thompa> do i need to remove the old ipw2200 drivers or at least disable them?
[10:40] <thompa> !ndiswrapper
[10:40] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:40] <thompa> not as buggy as ipw2200 on toshibas and acpi
[10:42] <Fillado> Mitja: try VLC
[10:44] <Mitja> Fillado: thanks, but still no sound
[10:45] <Fillado> have you tried changing the sound driver in it?
[10:46] <thompa> anybody know how i can tell if my wireless is using the wrapper or the kernel driver?
[10:46] <Mitja> Fillado: doing it now, doesn't seem to help
[10:47] <Fillado> ok
[10:48] <_osh> thompa: remove either. if network stops working you'll know... ;-)
[10:48] <ratero> Hello to all
[10:49] <fatejudger> what is the CLI command to view my partitions?
[10:49] <ratero> hello fatejudger
[10:49] <fatejudger> ratero: is there something you need?
[10:49] <Fillado> fatejudger: sudo fdisk -l
[10:50] <thompa> _osh: is it only the ipw2200 module i need to remove?
[10:50] <Fillado> that's an L not an I :)
[10:50] <_osh> thompa: if that's your old network driver, yes.
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: I don't want to edit them
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: I just want to see info on them
[10:51] <Fillado> that doesn't edit them
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: like how much space is left?
[10:51] <thompa> _osh: yes thanks
[10:51] <Fillado> just lists all HDD and their partitions
[10:51] <_osh> thompa: you're welcome.
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: that doesn't  really help me
[10:52] <fatejudger> Fillado: I wish they didn't take off that feature in Konq
[10:52] <utta> fatejudger: df -h
[10:57] <fatejudger> utta: thanks
[10:58] <thompa> ive noticed that my kde settings window, i cant access the admin button.
[10:58] <thompa> what was the admin kde control command?
[10:58] <thompa> it shows eth0 disabled, but its not
[10:58] <thompa> sorry im on 3.5
[10:58] <thompa> rc1
[10:58] <thompa> it was fixed on 3.4 in an update i think
[10:58] <thompa> been typing to myself offline lol
[10:59] <thompa> does someone know the kde control panel command for admin?
[10:59] <thompa> my network settings window, the admin button is not accessible
[11:00] <thompa> its too far down,
[11:00] <mymayer> how to install a *.deb file ?
[11:01] <ToyMan> that wasn't fun
[11:01] <thompa> anybody?
[11:01] <apachelogger> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31865
[11:01] <thompa> whats another way to confugre network?
[11:01] <apachelogger> mymayer: dpkg -i [file]
[11:01] <mymayer> apachelogger:  thank you
[11:02] <apachelogger> thompa: ifconfig ;-)
[11:02] <thompa> i know that one thanks, do you know how to sudo into control center?
[11:02] <thompa> forgot
[11:02] <apachelogger> which one?
[11:03] <apachelogger> systemsettings or kcontrol?
[11:03] <apachelogger> well such one of the both
[11:03] <thompa> kcontrol
[11:03] <apachelogger> sudo kcontrol or sudo systemsettings
[11:03] <thompa> oh duh!
[11:03] <thompa> thanks
[11:03] <apachelogger> np
[11:03] <thompa> im on 3.5 so i think the network settings window is still off
[11:04] <thompa> in 3.4 there was a fix
[11:04] <karvr> hey guys, i have just installed kubuntu and had some probs with grub, i have 2 hard drives and am not willing to risk main mbr, only way i can get into kubuntu is to install grub on floppy, it won't go in mbr of 2nd slave drive , any iseas?
[11:04] <thompa> its too large for the screen impossible to get to button
[11:04] <apachelogger> thompa: also in kcontrol?
[11:05] <apachelogger> this only happened with systemsettings here
[11:05] <apachelogger> though just hit alt+a
[11:05] <apachelogger> ..= apply :P
[11:06] <apachelogger> kood nikht
[11:22] <thompa> !irc
[11:22] <ubotu> well, irc is Internet Relay Chat. It is a virtual network with servers allowing connections from clients where many people connect and chat with each other related to Linux or even sex.
[11:23] <thompa> im having some irc problems, really annoying
[11:24] <thompa> how can i tell if im even on irc?
[11:24] <yannz> thompa: you're on irc.
[11:24] <raphink> you can tell thompa because we're answering you
[11:24] <raphink> :p
[11:25] <raphink> does ubotu have to talk about sex when prompted about irc ?
[11:25] <raphink> who set that?
[11:25] <raphink> it's gross and out of topic
[11:26] <thompa> well i was not able to get on because thompa was already in use
[11:26] <thompa> which was me before
[11:26] <raphink> mhm
[11:26] <raphink> wb jsubl2
[11:27] <jsubl2> howdy
[11:27] <thompa> now im using konversation
[11:27] <thompa> was xchat before
[11:27] <raphink> konversation is nice :)
[11:27] <raphink> fine jsubl2 thanks, how about you?
[11:27] <thompa> i had to log out
[11:27] <jsubl2> good.. lazy sunday afternoon
[11:27] <thompa> i guess i could just kill irc
[11:28] <raphink> thompa: all nicks are unique on a network
[11:28] <raphink> that means you can't bear the same nick on two machines at the same time on the same network
[11:28] <thompa> right
[11:28] <thompa> thats good
[11:28] <raphink> or even on one with two clients ;)
[11:28] <raphink> if you care about your nick thompa you should register it and assign it a password
[11:28] <raphink> so you can be sure no one can use it
[11:29] <thompa> well it still had me on, because i could not get on
[11:29] <thompa> it is
[11:29] <raphink> except you of course ;)
[11:29] <thompa> registered
[11:29] <raphink> oh ok :)
[11:29] <raphink> jsubl2: sunday night here, almost monday ;)
[11:29] <jsubl2> raphink, europe
[11:29] <thompa> i think its my internet connection
[11:29] <raphink> yep jsubl2
[11:29] <raphink> thompa: that's possible, but it can well be something else
[11:30] <thompa> the other tab says i have to identify
[11:30] <thompa> i set xchat to auto identify
[11:31] <thompa> konversation uses xchat doesnt it
[11:31] <jsubl2> nope konversation is written in c++
[11:31] <thompa> oh
[11:32] <thompa> well im on 3.5 rc1 so could be a bug
[11:32] <raphink> nope
[11:33] <raphink> you have to set the autologin in a weird place
[11:33] <raphink> where you set the server dns
[11:33] <thompa> under identities auto identify, what goes in service space?
[11:33] <raphink> it's in the server list
[11:34] <raphink> choose the Freenode network
[11:34] <raphink> select the server you use
[11:34] <thompa> the network part is blank
[11:34] <raphink> and set a password for it
[11:34] <raphink> it took me a long time to find that ;)
[11:34] <raphink> wait I'll show you thompa
[11:35] <raphink> http://raphink.myftp.org/linux/konversation2.jpg
[11:35] <raphink> look there
[11:35] <thompa> ok
[11:35] <raphink> sorry it's in french ;)
[11:36] <raphink> hehe
[11:36] <thompa> thanks raphink
[11:36] <thompa> doesnt matter
[11:36] <thompa> is rc2 out yet?
[11:36] <jsubl2> raphink, my ancestors are from france
[11:36] <raphink> nice
[11:36] <thompa> im german
[11:37] <thompa> but in nashville
[11:37] <raphink> gut :)
[11:37] <raphink> hehe
[11:38] <thompa> germans like all that shit anyway
[11:38] <thompa> the german resatuarant here is awful
[11:39] <thompa> conrbread with saurkraut
[11:42] <thompa> raphink: konversation worked
[11:42] <thompa> thanks
[11:42] <raphink> :)
[11:42] <raphink> good
[11:51] <hussam> is kde-look.org down? can somebody check?
[11:54] <hussam> nevermind it opens now
[11:57] <libben> is there anyway to tell grub that i allways want to start my second choice in the list? cause on top there is windows xp and underneath it the rest is linux kernels. so is there anyway to tell grub to allways load number 2 in list?
[11:57] <hussam> check out this kubuntu winter wallpaper: http://kde-look.org/content/files/31701-kubuntu_winter.png
[11:59] <insanekane> libben: yes, edit your menu.lst and change the default
[12:00] <insanekane> libben: it's right at the begnning of the file
[12:00] <libben> aah
[12:00] <libben> the one that reads defaul  0
[12:00] <libben> so if i change that to 1 im good to go
[12:00] <insanekane> yes
[12:00] <insanekane> you should change that to 1
[12:00] <insanekane> libben: umm, and i believe run grub on the console
[12:01] <libben> ?


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[16:35] <santa_> WIN
 Well, it is causing a bit of blow back from some corners. The ordering and what was included.