[05:42] <halter73> your welcome compilerwriter
[05:42] <intelikey> DaSkreech i'm going to see if the new kernel patch helps and rebuild the initramfs.img  if it doesn't.     thanks for the ToD and effort.
[05:43] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: There is alredy LVM on the livecd, The thing is that I can't manage gparted to mount my lvm parititons the way I want. It sees only the usual parititons
[05:43] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: I would think that the alternate is the way to go. You many need to go to the advanced install (f6)
[05:43] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Oh really I've never gotten LVM to work on the live CD
[05:44] <matthew> ok, this is a major pain in the butt
[05:44] <matthew> I tried to play supertux w/ openGL enabled...and it crashed...
[05:45] <ubuntu> DaSkreech:  Then I'll give the alternate cd expert/advanced install a try. Thanks for your help
[05:45] <halter73> matthew: how did you install the ATI drivers?
[05:45] <matthew> h/o
[05:45] <matthew> halter73, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor
[05:45] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Cool :)
[05:45] <matthew> -xorg
[05:46] <genii> matthew Do you have some x300 - x800 series ATI?
[05:46] <hombero> hey
[05:46] <genii> Because I have a page bookmarked here for special driver install on those
[05:46] <matthew> halter73, used the ati driver, with no kernel frame buffering, 65536 of RAM, stuff like that
[05:47] <matthew> genii, I have a rage 128 pro
[05:47] <hombero> Myr are you still here?
[05:48] <genii> matthew Ah OK... I used to have a PCI one. I eventually had to use the vesa driver, the xorg driver kept crashing it
[05:48] <halter73> i wish, i could help more but i use nvidia cards
[05:49] <matthew> genii, ok...why does the ati crash so often?
[05:50] <genii> matthew mainly because ATI provides little info to developers for drivers so much is done by reverse-engineering
[05:50] <matthew> genii, ah yes, I remember reading that now
[05:50] <hombero> anyone fammiliar with kdevelop here?
[05:51] <solid_liq> hombero: try #kde-devel
[05:51] <AngryElf> hey all when I launch amarok I get "failed to open device" then it quits......I see nothing but the splash screen
[05:52] <halter73> AngryElf: not to stat the obvious but have you reinstalled amarok
[05:53] <AngryElf> I did dpkg-reconfigure amarok
[05:53] <hombero> thank you solid
[05:53] <genii> matthew I'll give you the link to that ATI driver install page .. you may want to try the alternate driver listed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190133
[05:54] <halter73> AngryElf: why not just use adept
[05:54] <matthew> genii, will it work for the rage-class card? seems like all the drivers out there are for the Radeon and up cards
[05:54] <halter73> AngryElf: anyway if reinstalling doesint work run amarok from the command line and post the output
[05:55] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there a website to read the manual entries to programs/commands in linux?
[05:55] <AngryElf> it's something to do with mysql
[05:56] <genii> matthew Well, I figure it's worth a try. You can always revert the driver by editing the xorg.conf file after if it's no good
[05:56] <matthew> ok, go for it...
[05:56] <halter73> AngryElf: to my knowledge amarok does not require MySQL, Do you have any more info
[05:57] <genii-away> I need to make a coffee run...back in 10
[05:58] <hombero> not finding any help with kdevelop in #kde-devel or #kdevelop
[05:58] <dettoaltrimenti_> how do I make certain programs run during starup? is there some kind of tutorial online describing how?
[05:58] <AngryElf> yea, i set it to use mysql :) which is why it's got something to do with it ;)
[05:58] <AngryElf> i got it working -- however, the fact that it didn't like my mysql Settings should not prevent it from opening altogether
[05:59] <halter73> AngryElf: what do you us MySQL for?
[06:00] <AngryElf> more than one computer hitting my one DB
[06:00] <halter73> AngryElf: And I realized that libmysqlclient15off is required
[06:00] <halter73> Angry
[06:00] <halter73> AngryElf: however i'm sure you have that if you have the entire database
[06:01] <halter73> AngryElf: Has it worked w/ MySQL previously
[06:01] <AngryElf> like I said, it's working now -- i had the host ip wrong
[06:01] <AngryElf> my point now is that *that* shouldn't prevent mysql from opening
[06:01] <halter73> o, ok i missed that, my bad
[06:01] <AngryElf> that smells like a bug
[06:01] <halter73> submit it to bugzilla or it equivilant
[06:11] <matthew> genii-away, ok, I tried that...didn't work...bummer, huh? How's the coffee?
[06:12] <matthew> genii, ok, I tried that...didn't work...bummer, huh? How's the coffee?
[06:12] <genii> I *JUST* returned :) Coffee is strong and good
[06:12] <matthew> genii, yuck...but that's just me...
[06:12] <matthew> genii, I like SWM's...Single White Mochas
[06:13] <matthew> genii, with whipped cream...
[06:13] <matthew> mmmm
[06:13] <genii> matthew I set up a rage 128 AIW before... had to use the vesa driver eventually, unfortunately
[06:13] <matthew> genii, I'm now using the ati driver, but if I run into problems, that's where I'll go as well.
[06:14] <genii> Is your GL library up-to-date?
[06:14] <matthew> genii, how can I tell
[06:14] <matthew> ?
[06:15] <genii> Looking into that right now
[06:15] <matthew> genii, thanks for being such a huge help to me.
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Why isn't there an ubuntu-games ?
[06:17] <genii> matthew libgl1-mesa seems to be the library
[06:18] <matthew> genii, sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa?
[06:18] <genii> yeah I'd try that
[06:18] <matthew> ok, here we go
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Tribal trouvles has an Ubuntu fix :-)
[06:19] <matthew> libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version.
[06:19] <genii> There also seem to be a lot of other things gl-related from the results of apt-cache search opengl|more
[06:19] <matthew> genii, any other ideas?
[06:20] <genii> give me a minute, I need to go look at my other machine here...this is a windoze box :)
[06:20] <genii> perhaps libgl1-mesa-dri
[06:21] <matthew> libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version.
[06:21] <hombero> what is the "commit"?
[06:21] <genii> and libgl1-mesa-swrast
[06:22] <genii> libglu1-mesa perhaps
[06:22] <matthew> genii, ooh, that did something, I'm being prompted to install 53.1 MB of stuff...I think I'll do it...
[06:22] <Ash-Fox> !soundcards
[06:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <genii> Weird the bot should know SOMEthing about soundcards
[06:23] <hombero> !sound cards
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sound cards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <genii> matthew If those libraries I mentioned get updated and still no-go I'm outta ideas
[06:23] <hombero> !audio cards
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio cards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <hombero> meh
[06:23] <matthew> ok...
[06:24] <matthew> genii, once those 50 megs of libs d/l, I'll do that last one...and then...use the fglrx driver?
[06:24] <genii> Well I'd try the ATI driver first
[06:25] <genii> Also I just found another library that maybe needs updating libgl1-mesa-glide3
[06:26] <genii> A lot of hardware GL stuff needs glide drivers
[06:27] <matthew> genii, ok, gonna restart the ol' xserver...
[06:28] <genii> matthew OK good luck :)
[06:33] <matthew> genii, hmm, restarted, xserver wouldn't load, ran the dpkg thing, ati, no buffer, 64k RAM, etc, back up...testing the opengl right now...
[06:34] <genii> OK
[06:34] <genii> matthew at the command-line what does "glxinfo | grep render" produce?
[06:35] <matthew> genii, darn, I really screwed something up. I now longer have access to screensavers, The diagnostics is: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: _LINE_
[06:35] <matthew> ok, h/o
[06:35] <matthew> genii, I get the following: glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: __LINE__
[06:36] <matthew> I really screwed something up, huh?
[06:36] <genii> bah, some kernel version mismatch it seems
[06:36] <matthew> I'm using the 2.6.17-10-generic version.
[06:37] <matthew> genii, wow, I'm in way over my head...what do I do?
[06:37] <genii> No worries :)
[06:37] <matthew> gonna talk me though it?
[06:37] <matthew> through
[06:38] <genii> matthew Just revert the xorg.conf file to use the ATI driver (or vesa if you prefer) as before, and do the dpkg-reconfigure for X
[06:38] <matthew> ok...h/o
[06:38] <genii> Since the glide3 drivers seem to be the prob right here, do an ap-get remove --purge libgl1-mesa-glide3
[06:39] <bgsteffens> i just bought a new hard drive. how can i access it in kubuntu edgy (preferably thru conqueror)
[06:39] <matthew> purging now...
[06:39] <genii> matthew OK good
[06:40] <genii> bgsteffens How will it be physically installed? Slave on same cable as existing harddrive?
[06:41] <bgsteffens> genii yep, already hooked it up
[06:41] <genii> bgsteffens OK, is your normal master drive hda or hdc ?
[06:41] <bgsteffens> hda
[06:41] <Ash-Fox> I'd like to set the order of three soundcards. The method I've found requires that I set in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, options module-name index=<number for sound device>, unfortunately. I have two soundcards that use the same module (snd_usb_audio), unfortunately as they are USB devices, I can plug them into any port -- so I can't really rely on which port they're plugged into. "asoundconf list" does however name one "Headset" and the other
[06:42] <genii> bgsteffens OK, so it will be then hdb. You need to partition it first, then format it. after that you can mount it.
[06:42] <bgsteffens> thanks
[06:43] <matthew> genii, apt is telling me that there is a veritable plethora of packages that are no longer needed...I'll post it to paste-bin...
[06:43] <genii> bgsteffens since I am a command-line guy I would do: fdisk /dev/hdb ...set it up...then mke2fs /dev/hdb1 then make a dir like /mnt/drive2  then put an fstab entry for it
[06:44] <genii> matthew OK
[06:44] <matthew> !pastebin
[06:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:45] <genii> matthew Don't worry much, they are all sub-dependencies of that main glide3 package
[06:45] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36948/
[06:45] <matthew> I don't think so...
[06:45] <matthew> not kpager and ksig and ktuberlings...
[06:45] <genii> Whoa hangon, I just have that page up now
[06:46] <genii> WTF?
[06:46] <matthew> seriously
[06:46] <genii> 1 minute
[06:46] <matthew> ok
[06:46] <matthew> not panicking
[06:46] <matthew> lol
[06:46] <matthew> I think I'll put in 'n', not 'Y'
[06:46] <matthew> lol
[06:46] <genii> Yeah good idea
[06:46] <rpv> hi all
[06:47] <matthew> so...ideas?
[06:47] <genii> It should *NOT* be wanting to remove all that kde stuff
[06:47] <matthew> yeah, i should think not!
[06:47] <genii> try without the --purge
[06:47] <drewdropin> hey room ~~~~~~~~~~!!!
[06:47] <drewdropin> I'm so glad I got on....
[06:47] <matthew> genii, same thing
[06:48] <genii> matthew OK give me a minute to cogitate :)
[06:48] <matthew> ok...here's some light reading...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36949/
[06:48] <drewdropin> It's been sooooooooooo hard getting ANY chat to work!!!!
[06:48] <matthew> drewdropin, this ubuntu-specific chat...
[06:48] <matthew> just so you know
[06:48] <genii> Did it give you any compile or install messages when libgl1-mesa-glide3 was installed?
[06:49] <matthew> genii, nope, nothing...
[06:49] <matthew> just that it wanted to install a bunch of libs and remove some libs...
[06:49] <matthew> I was kind of sketch about it...oh well, I can always reinstall...got my /home partition on a different drive...
[06:50] <drewdropin> thanks matthew....
[06:50] <genii> brb--researching
[06:50] <drewdropin> I'm using ubuntu
[06:50] <matthew> genii, thanks for stickin' with it!
[06:51] <matthew> drewdropin, that's very cool...
[06:51] <drewdropin> kubuntu is what again???
[06:51] <genii> matthew please do an apt-get check
[06:51] <drewdropin> how do I get onto freenode or regular ubuntu chat???
[06:52] <matthew> drewdropin, kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE desktop manager
[06:52] <genii> dewdropin It's the KDE version of ubuntu as opposed to the GNOME version
[06:52] <matthew> drewdropin, /join #ubuntu
[06:52] <matthew> Reading package lists... Done
[06:52] <matthew> Building dependency tree
[06:52] <matthew> Reading state information...  Done
[06:54] <matthew> Building dependency tree
[06:54] <matthew> Reading state information... Done
[06:54] <drewdropin> so Kubuntu is even better....
[06:54] <matthew> drewdropin, For some people it is better...
[06:54] <matthew> especially those with higher end machines
[06:54] <genii> matthew this should check your system integrity and give some report
[06:54] <drewdropin> like which is better coke or pepsi?
[06:55] <matthew> although I'm using kubuntu on  a 933Mhz box w/ 512MB RAM
[06:55] <matthew> genii, should I pipe the output to a file or to /dev/dsp?
[06:55] <matthew> or something like that?
[06:55] <drewdropin> I'm using just about the same....
[06:56] <genii> matthew to a file and pastebin would be handy :)
[06:56] <matthew> I do that with "sudo apt-get check > /home/matthew/file.txt" , right?
[06:57] <genii> yeah that works
[06:57] <DaSkreech> drewdropin: use both and decide
[06:57] <genii> you may need to alter permissions on it if yer trying to view it as the regular user
[06:58] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36950/
[06:58] <genii> or ownership rather than permissions
[06:58] <genii> matthew OK brb
[06:58] <genii> Hmm, no glaring errors it seems
[06:58] <matthew> no confirmation of anything either...
[06:59] <matthew> genii, running out of ideas?
[06:59] <genii> apt-cache unmet libgl1-mesa-glide3
[07:00] <genii> Will say what deps it can't find or are messedup hopefully
[07:01] <matthew> ok...whoa...h/o
[07:04] <matthew> genii, ok, here it comes...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36952/
[07:04] <genii> OK
[07:05] <matthew> I would agree with that!
[07:05] <dettoaltrimenti_> kubuntu makes me stand up straight- there are these gears in konqueror that you can't see if you're looking directly at the monitor, but if you tilt it up or down (a laptop monitor), you can see them
[07:05] <dettoaltrimenti_> makes me sit up straight, rather
[07:07] <DaSkreech> rsi_break does the same thing :)
[07:08] <genii> Whats weird is dep checking doesn't show any unresolved dependencies
[07:08] <matthew> ah, the beauty of linux...even n00bs can royally screw it up...lol at myself...
[07:09] <genii> scouring for X specific stuff... looks like most of it is OO related...dictionaries etc
[07:10] <matthew> yeah...but seems like it wanted to remove a bunch more than that...kwallet, etc...
[07:10] <genii> matthew Are you using xfce4 ?
[07:10] <matthew> genii, nope, kde 3.5.5
[07:10] <genii> bizarre
[07:10] <matthew> with qt 3.3.6
[07:12] <genii> still scouring ...brb
[07:12] <zahnza> hello, i am having some problems with my wirless card and was wondering if anyone could help
[07:12] <matthew> genii, take as long as you want. I'll be up all night long...
[07:13] <genii> heh
[07:14] <zahnza> anyone?
[07:14] <genii> There are so many unresolved dependencies (many of them seem non-crucial) ... I would try an apt-get update to see if it can be resolved automatically
[07:15] <matthew> okey doke...brb
[07:15] <matthew> !anyone
[07:15] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:15] <genii> Oddly enough there is nothing in the entire mess which indicates some deficiencies in the X system LOL
[07:15] <matthew> how ironic
[07:16] <matthew> It looks the same to me...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36953/
[07:18] <genii> OK checking it BRB
[07:18] <genii> No it definitely is a shorter list
[07:19] <genii> What remains is almost exclusively mozilla and OO stuff now
[07:19] <zahnza> the card i have is an awll3026 and it works fine when i am close to the router but when i go to another room i can't connect, the computer can see the accespoint fine, but hangs when it tries to connect, i know that it's no out of the range for the card because it workd fine on the same machine running windows
[07:20] <matthew> zahnza, do you have many christmas ornaments up?
[07:20] <zahnza> access point*
[07:20] <zahnza> none
[07:20] <genii> matthew OK, right now what X driver are you using? The ATI one?
[07:21] <zahnza> no that big of a fan of christmas
[07:21] <zahnza> not*
[07:21] <matthew> zahnza, christmas ornaments degrade wireless signals.
[07:21] <zahnza> yeah, im sure
[07:22] <zahnza> because they creater their own signal, its a plot by the gov. to control our minds
[07:22] <matthew> genii, yes, the ati one
[07:22] <matthew> zahnza, I'm not kidding.
[07:22] <genii> OK, try the glinfo command again
[07:22] <zahnza> basically what i am asking is if there is anyway to boost the signal strength
[07:22] <zahnza> on the card itself
[07:23] <genii> zahnza Get an antenna with a Db booster
[07:23] <matthew> genii, glinfo? I've never tried that before. Anyways, it comes back with: bash: glinfo: command not found
[07:23] <zahnza> well i shouldnt need one because it works with windows
[07:23] <matthew> zahnza, then use windows
[07:23] <zahnza> so what ever the problem is, its on the linux side
[07:23] <genii> OK it maybe the other command lemme look it up again
[07:23] <matthew> zahnza, ok, I'm sorry. my bad.
[07:23] <matthew> genii, ok
[07:23] <zahnza> you're a really great help thanks
[07:24] <genii> matthew sorry glxinfo (forgot the x)
[07:24] <DaSkreech> zahnza: Is that sarcasm?
[07:24] <matthew> glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: __LINE__
[07:24] <genii> bah same crap
[07:24] <zahnza> no, i really appreciate the level of maturity and help i am recieving
[07:24] <genii> matthew OK gimme a few minutes gonna research that lib a bit
[07:24] <matthew> zahnza, the reason you haven't gotten help is cause nobody knows, or they're helping someone else
[07:25] <matthew> genii, thanks so much!
[07:25] <zahnza> that's fine, but that does not mean you have to be an ass
[07:25] <genii> I got nothing better to do atm :)
[07:25] <matthew> !language
[07:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:25] <matthew> !etiquette
[07:25] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[07:25] <matthew> !attitude
[07:25] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:25] <zahnza> sorry
[07:25] <matthew> no prob
[07:25] <zahnza> that doesnt many you have to be rude
[07:25] <matthew> I get like that too...as you witnessed
[07:26] <matthew> genii, good to know that I rank above nothing, but below something...lol
[07:26] <DaSkreech> zahnza: What's the problem?
[07:27] <zahnza> i have a wireless card (awll3026) and it works fine when i am close to the router but when i go to another room i can't connect, the computer can see the accespoint fine, but hangs when it tries to connect, i know that it's no out of the range for the card because it workd fine on the same machine running windows
[07:27] <Hoso001> Is it possible to emulate a recent version of itunes ?
[07:27] <genii> matthew try apt-get install libglide3-dev then re-run the glxinfo
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Hoso001: install amarok
[07:28] <Hoso001> I need to place some DRM protected music
[07:28] <matthew> it sets libglide up, but I found this in the middle: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[07:28] <DaSkreech> did you read !wireless ?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Hoso001: Ah then you need to install itunes I'd suspect
[07:28] <zahnza> not yet
[07:28] <matthew> genii, and I get the same old undefined symbol garbage...oh well...
[07:29] <DaSkreech> !wireless | zahnza
[07:29] <ubotu> zahnza: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:29] <genii> zahnza There may be some smtp command you can run to boost your cards signal strength but offhand I wouldn't know it. You may want to google for smtp plus chipset or similar
[07:29] <zahnza> alright
[07:29] <DaSkreech> They hsould have list of known cards with issues and possible workarounds
[07:29] <genii> matthew The lock thing means 2 prrocesses are trying to run apt
[07:30] <matthew> hmm, I don't have anything else up that's using apt...only apt-get.
[07:30] <MukiEX> I made a simple shell script, but KDE only sees it as a plain text document.
[07:30] <genii> Do you perhaps have aptitude or similar open in X?
[07:30] <MukiEX> Is there a way to make it double-clickable?
[07:30] <matthew> no sir
[07:30] <genii> sNtp not smtp sorry
[07:30] <matthew> I've got Xchat, SwiftFox, Skype, and the CLI
[07:31] <notech> MukiEX: did you make it executable?
[07:31] <matthew> running atm
[07:31] <MukiEX> notech : yes
[07:31] <MukiEX> I renamed it .sh , but KDE just shows at as a shell script with contents of a Plain Text Document
[07:31] <genii> matthew and still same glxinfo "symbol not found" or similar?
[07:32] <matthew> glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: __LINE__
[07:32] <genii> matthew OK more research needed :) afk
[07:32] <notech> MukiEX: what's the first line in it?
[07:32] <matthew> again...lol
[07:33] <matthew> anything I can do?
[07:33] <MukiEX> echo "Making Directories"
[07:33] <MukiEX> It's all commands, and it was made entirely in nano
[07:33] <notech> MukiEX: the first line of a bassh script must start #!/bin/sh
[07:34] <genii> looks like yer not the only one with this prob..eg: http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/625895/an/0/page/2
[07:34] <MukiEX> notech : Is there a way to make it open an xterm window and run its commands from it?
[07:34] <MukiEX> *run all subsequent commands from it
[07:34] <MukiEX> *in it
[07:34] <notech> MukiEX: dunno, might ask in #bash
[07:34] <MukiEX> Thanks, notech =3
[07:34] <Jucato> MukiEX: in Konqueror, right-click on the file, select Properties, in the Permissions tab, is [ ]  Executable enabled/checked?
[07:35] <matthew> genii, yeah, but unlike him, I've got someone to help me...I hate it when nobody responds on forums...
[07:35] <MukiEX> Jucato : Yes, but notech already solved my issue =3
[07:35] <Jucato> ok
[07:36] <genii> heh
[07:36] <matthew> aw, c'mon, I know your blushing, lol
[07:36] <matthew> you're
[07:36] <matthew> so, anyway, any luck?
[07:37] <genii> Looks like a known bug: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/09/msg00492.html
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Keyhole?
[07:38] <genii> Something to do with xlibmesa-dri apparently
[07:38] <matthew> so, what can I do? apt-get remoce xlibmesa-dri?
[07:38] <matthew> or --purge?
[07:39] <genii> 1 minute
[07:39] <matthew> okey doke
[07:39] <genii> ubuntu version of these libraries seem tied in to libosmesa6-dev
[07:40] <matthew> would that make a difference since I'm using kubuntu?
[07:40] <genii> interestingly apt-cache search xlibmesa returns openoffice packages LOL
[07:40] <matthew> hmmm, weird
[07:41] <shinobi2> anyone got a guide to open up a mac opticial mouse?
[07:41] <shinobi2> i don't see screws
[07:41] <matthew> genii, seems like it...
[07:41] <genii> Well perhaps try to install that package and see if it's already on etc
[07:42] <matthew> shinobi2, try using a flat-head screwdriver to wedge into the gap on the side and rotate...not absolutely sure though
[07:42] <genii> I'm pretty sure by now that the gl probs are tied in with the mesa system
[07:42] <matthew> genii, E: Couldn't find package xlibmesa
[07:42] <matthew> oh wait
[07:42] <genii> libosmesa6-dev
[07:42] <matthew> h/o
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Anyone uses OO.o?
[07:43] <genii> DaSkreech Yes,
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Can I put a list of sheets in the side bar for OO calc?
[07:43] <genii> both windoze and linux versions
[07:43] <matthew> I want you to check this out first, ok?
[07:44] <rizal_> my laptop can't produce sounds, what should I do?
[07:44] <DaSkreech> !sound
[07:44] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:44] <genii> DaSkreech Sorry, dunno :(
[07:44] <genii> matthew More pastebin?
[07:44] <matthew> genii, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36955/
[07:44] <matthew> oh yeah, more pastebin
[07:44] <genii-pastebin> :)
[07:44] <matthew> hope you're not on a dial-up connection
[07:44] <matthew> lol
[07:44] <genii-pastebin> nah
[07:44] <genii-pastebin> oc3
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Blast
[07:45] <matthew> 10Mbps Cable here
[07:45] <rizal_> I'm using Kubuntu, is it the same with ubuntu?
[07:45] <matthew> moderately slow compared to the rest of the world...except Africa
[07:46] <DaSkreech> matthew: Afrika :)
[07:46] <genii-pastebin> matthew OK, looks like this one may resolve the libgl1-mesa-glide3 stuff
[07:46] <Jucato> !kubuntu | rizal_
[07:46] <ubotu> rizal_: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[07:46] <matthew> ok, I'm going for it
[07:46] <rizal_> thanks
[07:46] <rizal_> !sound
[07:46] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:46] <matthew> If this works, I will wax your car for a year!
[07:46] <matthew> lol
[07:46] <matthew> and possibly bear your children
[07:46] <genii-pastebin> Well, my bicycle LOL
[07:46] <matthew> rofl
[07:47] <genii-pastebin> matthew we still need to see about resloving the gl crash etc
[07:47] <matthew> bitchin', looks like it worked...nother pastebin coming your way!
[07:48] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36956/
[07:49] <genii-pastebin> OK cool. Now try with the ATI driver the program that was crashing the GL system earlier and lemme know how it goes :)
[07:49] <matthew> genii-pastebin, I just did glxgears, and it worked for a little while, then the gears look like they were caught on something (I know, I know) and got this message in the CLI: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[07:49] <matthew> vesa?
[07:50] <genii-pastebin> vesa is last resort but may eventually be the solution
[07:50] <matthew> or a reinstall of edgy...
[07:50] <matthew> that's kinda like a "Final Solution"
[07:51] <genii-pastebin> Weird that it worked for a bit then crashed
[07:51] <matthew> works for a little over 3 seconds...
[07:51] <Adlai> I've got a fresh kubuntu install and I can't figure out DRI with a radeon x1400
[07:51] <matthew> jsyk
[07:51] <Adlai> does anyone have a link to that?
[07:51] <matthew> Adlai, DRI?
[07:51] <genii-pastebin> adlai 1 minute, yes
[07:52] <Adlai> thanks
[07:52] <Adlai> matthew, direct rendering infrastructure
[07:52] <Adlai> hardware rendering
[07:52] <matthew> ah, no help there!
[07:52] <genii-pastebin> adlai http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190133
[07:52] <laalitha> hi I am new to kubuntu and I nee some help
[07:52] <matthew> Adlai, genii-pastebin is the man!
[07:52] <Adlai> thanks a million
[07:52] <revolutionstudio> anyone here ever use truecrypt?
[07:52] <laalitha> how do I install firefox
[07:52] <genii> heh forgot about the nick LOL
[07:53] <genii> laalitha apt-get install firefox
[07:53] <laalitha> thanks
[07:53] <matthew> lol
[07:53] <genii> laalitha you may want to use sudo before the apt-get part
[07:53] <matthew> laalitha, sudo apt-get install firefox-bin?
[07:54] <matthew> never mind, just do whatever genii tells you...lol
[07:54] <laalitha> when I try to remove some programs from add/remove it closes down suddenly
[07:54] <laalitha> why is that
[07:54] <revolutionstudio> need to know how to email an encrypted file that was made with truecrypt
[07:54] <genii> matthew OK, my next step is to try the other driver from before...you will need to do the reconfigure etc etc
[07:55] <matthew> which driver? the fglrx one?
[07:55] <genii> laalitha what is the user name you are logged on as?
[07:55] <laalitha> laalitha
[07:55] <genii> matthew Yup
[07:55] <laalitha> why?
[07:55] <matthew> alrighty, brb
[07:55] <genii> laalitha when you run the add-remove program does it ask you for a password?
[07:56] <laalitha> no
[07:56] <laalitha> it  just opens
[07:56] <Adlai> what's better, adept or synaptic (I know there will be opinions on either side...)
[07:56] <genii> laalitha Reason I asked is because some ppl try to run as root, it causes probs
[07:56] <matthew> genii, hmm, got this error: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[07:56] <laalitha> genii firefox is missing i
[07:56] <genii> laalitha Perhaps try from the program Adept or Aptitude instead
[07:57] <laalitha> ok
[07:57] <Adlai> I'm used to doing commandline installs
[07:57] <genii> laalitha OK 1 minute I need to look the exact name
[07:57] <matthew> genii, I think it's firefox-bin
[07:57] <laalitha> I typed firefox-bin didnot work
[07:58] <genii> I think it's mozilla-firefox
[07:58] <laalitha> ok 1 min
[07:58] <Adlai> why don't you just apt-cache search firefox
[07:59] <genii> laalitha When I do apt-cache search it spits back just "firefox". Have you dona ap-get update   yet?
[07:59] <laalitha> no
[07:59] <laalitha> i didn't know that
[07:59] <Adlai> alright, my problem is that the composite extension is enabled, disabling direct rendering, but the composite extension isn't even specified in xorg.conf
[08:00] <genii> matthew Weird, it's saying again 2 progs are tryin to use apt-get
[08:00] <genii> matthew ps ax|grep apt
[08:00] <laalitha> doing it now
[08:00] <Adlai> never mind, found it online
[08:00] <matthew> genii,
[08:00] <matthew>  4127 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/apt-index-watcher watch --syslog
[08:00] <matthew>  8656 pts/2    R+     0:00 grep apt
[08:01] <matthew> genii, killall apt-index-watcher?
[08:01] <genii> matthew Ah OK, it's doing an automatic look for possible program updates etc
[08:01] <chupie> question.. mounting a windows network share.. how do i?
[08:01] <chupie> i have samba installed
[08:01] <matthew> that's weird...
[08:01] <laalitha> ok genii firefox is installing thanks
[08:01] <chupie> but.. smbmount doesn't work...?
[08:01] <genii> laalitha Good :) Gl;ad to help
[08:02] <laalitha> one more thing I cannot get online using my lan
[08:02] <matthew> I just did an apt-get update...
[08:02] <matthew> that's prob what that's all about...
[08:02] <earl_> can anyone recommend a good batch mp3 tagging program?
[08:02] <earl_> i've been told to use cowbell, but i seem to be having trouble with it
[08:02] <laalitha> it's detected and is in the network devices as enabled
[08:02] <RoKFiT> easytag
[08:02] <genii> matthew It's a cron thing where it just checks periodically
[08:03] <matthew> ah...ok, how long will it take?
[08:03] <earl_> can easytag get tags off the internet?
[08:03] <genii> only a minute or two normally
[08:03] <matthew> I probably don't want to interrupt it, huh?
[08:03] <earl_> i.e. - i don't want to do it myself
[08:03] <RoKFiT> i'm not sure, but i do not think so, but again i'm not sure
[08:03] <earl_> bah
[08:03] <RoKFiT> possibly though
[08:03] <RoKFiT> i would check
[08:03] <RoKFiT> its a good program
[08:03] <earl_> k
[08:03] <genii> You should see on the desktop after a green dot or whatever on bottom right where it says "system is up to date" or whatever when you hover on it after
[08:04] <earl_> cowbell seems good too, it just doesn't seem to like that my music is on a FAT partition
[08:04] <matthew> ok, I'll wait...
[08:04] <matthew> I wish the superkaramba icon didn't look so much like the adept notifier icon...but that's just me...
[08:05] <genii> matthew I think I would recommend a reboot if it still hangs with the lockfile msgs
[08:05] <matthew> after it gets done with the look-around?
[08:06] <genii> matthew Yes. It may have hung without removing the lockfile if an ap-get etc was terminated early
[08:06] <matthew> ok, here goes nothing...
[08:06] <genii> I'll be around still :)
[08:07] <laalitha> genii can you tell me a good network manager
[08:07] <laalitha> which will handle both lan and wlan
[08:07] <laalitha> connections
[08:07] <rizal_> !mp3
[08:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:08] <genii> laalitha Mostly I use more diagnostic stuff like nmap
[08:08] <genii> laalitha but you may find it suitable
[08:09] <laalitha> I'll try that
[08:09] <genii> knmap is the KDE package for it
[08:09] <matthew> k, I'm back up...
[08:09] <matthew> gonna try the reconfig now...
[08:09] <genii> matthew wb :) OK, with the alternate driver right?
[08:10] <matthew> oh, and for as long as I could see, my cpu was pegged 100%. What's that all about? You know what? Never mind. Lets get this done first. lol
[08:10] <genii> fglrx
[08:10] <xsacha> http://www.google.com/trends?q=beryl%2C+kubuntu  lol
[08:11] <genii> 100% cpu looks like some memory leak
[08:11] <chupie> ok, well fixed the smb prob.. ok.. now another question.. lol, how could i make it so my network drives are mounting when i boot?
[08:11] <xsacha> looks like an infinite loop :O
[08:11] <matthew> ok, restarting xserver...hold onto your boots
[08:11] <genii> chupie you can add a fstab entry with filesystem type as smbfs
[08:12] <chupie> kk.. well i noticed when i mounted them just a second ago.. even tho i did have the password option.. it asked me again for the password
[08:13] <genii> chupie If you don't mind some insecurity you could purposely set the passwords to be null
[08:13] <chupie> yeah, i was just thinking about doing that
[08:13] <Adlai> glxinfo gets me "unable to open display (null)", anyone know?
[08:13] <genii> eg: smbpasswd -n username
[08:14] <xsacha> Adlai: DISPLAY=:0.0 glxinfo
[08:14] <genii> adlai no X server window it can use
[08:14] <Adlai> connection refused by server
[08:14] <genii> adlai is this a remote X session?
[08:14] <Adlai> no
[08:15] <Adlai> it's a fairly fresh local install
[08:15] <genii> adlai try sudo before the command then
[08:15] <Adlai> I'm root
[08:15] <xsacha> ahhh
[08:15] <xsacha> dont run it as root
[08:15] <genii> It should not let you have an X session as root by default
[08:15] <xsacha> run it as user you logged in with
[08:15] <genii> unless you messed with the xdm
[08:16] <Adlai> mmkay
[08:16] <Adlai> weird
[08:16] <Adlai> works fine that way on gentoo
[08:16] <matthew> genii, ok, I rebooted with the fglrx drivers...it froze, so I restarted, and then reconfigged to use the ati driver...
[08:17] <matthew> fglrx is just not working...
[08:17] <genii> matthew Well, it is the driver for the later series so I thought it likely wouldn't but good to try anyways
[08:17] <Adlai> matthew, what have you done so far?
[08:18] <genii> matthew What slot is the rage128?
[08:18] <xsacha> a rage128?
[08:18] <matthew> genii, agp
[08:19] <xsacha> with fglrx drivers :S
[08:19] <laalitha> genii knmap is not available in apt-get
[08:20] <genii> laalitha Are you using kubuntu or regular ubuntu?
[08:20] <matthew> xsacha, I know, I know
[08:20] <xsacha> use r128 driver for rage128? unless there is some really ancient ati driver that supports rage128 :S the lowest on proprietary ati supported list is 8500
[08:20] <genii> matthew Found some stuff relating to this and version-specific stuff of Xorg and this card
[08:20] <Adlai> anyone know why desktop switching would be very very slow?
[08:21] <Adlai> it takes forever to switch, and then takes even longer to draw the window decorations
[08:21] <laalitha> kubuntu
[08:21] <Adlai> this is a fairly fresh install
[08:21] <DaveQB> Adlai  out of memory...using swap
[08:21] <laalitha> I downloaded the tar file knmap 2-1
[08:21] <Adlai> ...I have a gig of memory
[08:21] <DaveQB> Adlai check you memory and swap usage
[08:21] <Adlai> would it really be using that much?
[08:21] <DaveQB> oh
[08:21] <DaveQB> something might be eating it all up
[08:21] <Adlai> yeah it's not even close
[08:22] <genii> laalitha Hmm OK. Apt-cache search knmap on my box shows it available. You may need to expand your /etc/apt/sources.list to include more repositories
[08:22] <Adlai> I have over half a gig left unused, and no swap being used
[08:22] <DaveQB> Adlai that is odd then
[08:22] <laalitha> how do I do that
[08:22] <Adlai> I know
[08:22] <genii> matthew The url for this info (bsd specific but applicable) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2005-May/002111.html
[08:22] <Adlai> I enabled direct rendering, and did the Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" in xorg.conf, which is supposed to fix a slow 2D system
[08:23] <matthew> laalitha, genii, how would I use the r128 driver? I found a site that purported to tell me how to do it...but I ended up with a dead xserver.
[08:23] <DaveQB> i have never had to do that...I cant think of what else to try off the top off my head
[08:23] <matthew> checking the url now, genii
[08:24] <genii> laalitha To include all available repositories, open up that file in kwrite or nano etc and remove the # from before all the lines starting with word "deb"
[08:25] <laalitha> ok
[08:25] <genii> laalitha then do an apt-get update   then do an ap-cache search knmap and see if it appears
[08:25] <Adlai> any idea about slow desktop switch and redraw of window decorations?
[08:26] <matthew> brb
[08:26] <genii> matthew Basically the 6.8.2 X distro has no 3D for rage128 is the gist
[08:26] <laalitha> what r all these packages that install when I do an apt-get update
[08:26] <HymnToLife> laalitha, nothing installs when you run apt-get update
[08:26] <genii> laalitha the apt-get update is getting all the lists of available packages you will be able to install
[08:27] <HymnToLife> apt-get jus download the list of installable packages
[08:27] <laalitha> ok thanks
[08:27] <laalitha> I got a lot to learn
[08:28] <laalitha> ok knmap is installing
[08:28] <laalitha> thanks genii
[08:28] <kokje> any plans of porting OOo 2.1 to dapper ?
[08:28] <genii> laalitha No probs
[08:29] <RoKFiT> does anyone know when 64bit users will see the flash plugin?
[08:30] <ikirt> there isn't one
[08:30] <ikirt> use 32 bit
[08:30] <HymnToLife> RoKFiT, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[08:30] <ikirt> and get flash9 beta
[08:30] <RoKFiT> on fedora i was having some problems with firefox closing lost with the 32bit version of the plugin
[08:31] <ikirt> i just had the same issue @ work with fc6 64bit
[08:31] <ikirt> i have to install 32bit ff and install flash9 beta plugin
[08:31] <RoKFiT> and it fixed?
[08:31] <zahnza> i have a wireless card (awll3026) and it works fine when i am close to the router but when i go to another room i can't connect, the computer can see the accespoint fine, but hangs when it tries to connect, i know that it's no out of the range for the card because it workd fine on the same machine running windows
[08:31] <ikirt> yup
[08:31] <zahnza> anyone here have any ideas?
[08:31] <ikirt> watched youtube quite a bit last night
[08:32] <RoKFiT> i'll give it a try
[08:32] <RoKFiT> where did you get the beta from
[08:32] <matthew> genii, ok, I ate some sweet and sour pork and read the page...I'm downloading the r128.tgz now...
[08:32] <ikirt> one sec let me see if i can find it
[08:33] <HymnToLife> RoKFiT, http://labs.adobe.com/
[08:33] <RoKFiT> are you using 32bit firefox?
[08:33] <zahnza> i have check all of the wifi docs on the ubuntu website with no luck
[08:33] <laalitha> genii I am getting this "Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166"
[08:33] <genii> matthew give me some time to look at the docs
[08:33] <laalitha> I launched by typing knmap on the prompt
[08:33] <genii> laalitha For nmap??
[08:33] <laalitha> yeah
[08:34] <laalitha> here's the whole error
[08:34] <genii> laalitha Try opeing it from inside KDE instead, it should now be there
[08:34] <ikirt> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
[08:34] <matthew> okey doke...
[08:34] <ikirt> yes 32bit firefox
[08:34] <RoKFiT> oh you do
[08:35] <RoKFiT> see i want to use 64, because 32 kept closing with flash player
[08:35] <ikirt> there isn't a flash player for 64bit firefox
[08:35] <laalitha> ok it works fine
[08:35] <zahnza> does anyone know if there is a command or graphic utility that would allow me to boost the signal stength of the card?
[08:35] <genii> matthew I think that may be a bsd-specific hack so don't install anything until I figure it out first LOL
[08:35] <Adlai> RoKFiT, check out the flashblock plugin for firefox
[08:35] <RoKFiT> how and where
[08:35] <ikirt> flashblock ?
[08:35] <Adlai> addons.mozilla.org
[08:35] <chupie> well back with another question.. what is a way to burn dvd videos?
[08:36] <ikirt> he's trying to get flash to work
[08:36] <Adlai> it uses javascript to prevent firefox from loading flash unless you tell it to
[08:36] <Adlai> fixed a problem I had where some websites would force tons of flash to open and bog down firefox
[08:36] <ikirt> first he needs to get the proper flash plugin installed
[08:36] <Adlai> but yes, RoKFiT, you won't get flash working with 64-bit firefox
[08:37] <RoKFiT> oh
[08:37] <RoKFiT> so remove firefox and install 32bit?
[08:37] <Adlai> you want firefox-bin
[08:37] <ikirt> yes
[08:37] <RoKFiT> what is firefox-bin
[08:37] <ikirt> download it from their site
[08:37] <ikirt> just 32bit version
[08:37] <genii> laalitha :)
[08:37] <matthew> genii, not gonna do anything I don't understand that I don't clear with you first...
[08:37] <zahnza> anyone have a suggestion?
[08:38] <matthew> genii, besides, the .tgz file isn't downloading...
[08:38] <genii> matthew I'm looking for a debian-specific fix
[08:38] <RoKFiT> Adlai: do you know when a 64bit version of the plugin will be available?
[08:38] <matthew> sweet!
[08:38] <matthew> I can't believe how much "work" this has turned into...
[08:39] <matthew> lol, like the name change!
[08:40] <laalitha> genii how do I manage my lan and wlan with knmap? It seems like a port scanning software.
[08:41] <Adlai> RoKFiT, nope
[08:41] <zahnza> does anyone here even care about trying to help?
[08:41] <Adlai> don't think anyone does
[08:41] <zahnza> \
[08:41] <Adlai> don't worry about it though, 64-bit ff isn't all that faster anyway
[08:41] <RoKFiT> someone told me about june before when vista comes out
[08:41] <RoKFiT> okay how do i install 32bit firefox
[08:42] <matthew> nope, coming out in January;  I work for a Computer Building/Repair shop
[08:42] <RoKFiT> from adept_manager?
[08:42] <acatalan> I have two users, one the sound works, kmix says its using ALSA.  the user where the sound doesnt work, the kmix hardware link says its using ALSAOSS.  where is this damn setting?
[08:42] <matthew> !language
[08:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:42] <acatalan> heh, sure.
[08:42] <matthew> I get your frustration though
[08:43] <matthew> I've been trying to enable 3d acceleration for my "ancient" video card for the last 6 hours or so.
[08:43] <matthew> I've had to rebuild my xserver about 10 times...
[08:43] <RoKFiT> i believe you need drivers
[08:43] <genii-researchin> matthew I found some stuff but it ain't for the faint of heart
[08:43] <matthew> I'll take it!
[08:44] <genii> matthew http://www.reades.com/radeon.html
[08:44] <matthew> genii, do you understand the steps involved?
[08:44] <genii> Well it's pretty straight-forward but involves some compiling which a lot of ppl don't normally need to be doing
[08:44] <laalitha> zahnza I from my experience there's no sw to boost the signal strength
[08:44] <matthew> genii, I know how to compile.
[08:45] <matthew> more or less
[08:45] <matthew> compiled the kernel a couple of times...
[08:46] <genii> matthew The problem is that the r128 drivers which have good 3D support are basically embedded within the GATOS stuff which is tv-card support.
[08:46] <matthew> GATOS? is that another distro?
[08:46] <genii> matthew no, gatos is a set of drivers and applications which let you use the TV functions for instance of all-in-wonder cards
[08:47] <RoKFiT> what was that plugin i just installed?  flashbox
[08:47] <RoKFiT> what is that
[08:47] <Adlai> RoKFiT, flashblock
[08:47] <laalitha> %c4 <zahnza> you might want to check your driver for the card
[08:47] <RoKFiT> flashblock, what is that
[08:47] <matthew> genii, oh. so, what's the problem? I've got 80 gigs of free space...
[08:47] <Adlai> it blocks flash on a page and puts an icon there that you can click to see the flash item
[08:47] <Adlai> it won't fix your problem; I misunderstood your problem at first
[08:47] <RoKFiT> oh
[08:47] <RoKFiT> how do i remove it?
[08:47] <Adlai> you want to do something along the lines of apt-cache search firefox
[08:48] <Adlai> and then look for one that says firefox-bin or some such
[08:48] <genii> matthew so it works out that to get the best ati driver which has gl and 3D support involves getting the ati.2 driver installed from the gatos stuff
[08:48] <Adlai> remove it by using firefox's own addon thingy
[08:48] <Adlai> tools > addons
[08:48] <RoKFiT> well thanks for the help, and bbl.
[08:48] <genii> matthew Well if you have some time and don't mind getting your hands dirty I'd try the solution found there then :)
[08:48] <matthew> genii, oh, so I need to install the GATOS "suite", then that will have the drivers for my card?
[08:48] <zahnza> thanks anyway, oh yeah and fuck you mathew and genii
[08:49] <genii> matthew yes, exactly
[08:49] <matthew> ok, I'll give it a shot...
[08:49] <matthew> thanks a lot!
[08:49] <genii> matthew I'll be around maybe an hour if you want to check in ane lemme know how it goes :)
 you may want to check this out   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=295843
[08:51] <matthew> ok...I'm downloading the kernel source right now...might as well get the sweet hotness...
[08:52] <genii> Matthew Supplementary page for additional help and info : http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ati.2.php
[08:53] <matthew> genii, seriously, you rock!
[08:53] <genii> matthew Well I'm stubborn when it comes to figuring out why things don't work how they are supposed to LOL
[08:55] <matthew> yeah.  Seriously, this is how the Linux movement stays in motion, it's because of people like you who are willing to sacrifice hours of time to get the right answers.
[08:56] <genii> Well there have been many times I thought some issue had no solution but with some help it was eventually solved.
[08:56] <genii> One of the best things about linux mentality is that you need to know to some degree how the insides work
[08:58] <genii> I need to go make a coffee-run but will return :)
[08:58] <matthew> genii-away, I'll be here
[09:02] <genii-away> If you want to make a deb package from the source perhaps look here as well: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003&highlight=checkinstall
[09:02] <genii-away> OK, really really getting coffee now :) afk
[09:03] <crazyphire> can anyone help me get my wireless connection setup on kubuntu?
[09:04] <crazyphire> it says connection failed even though all the info is correct
[09:05] <crazyphire> i've been trying to find good compatibility with my laptop and linux, a little suppot would be much appreciate
[09:05] <crazyphire> been at it for a few days now
[09:07] <matthew> genii-away, I'm having some trouble here, probably cause the ati guys are using 2.4.17 and I'm using 2.6.18...I can't find "Console Drivers" directory anywhere in the Linux Kernel Configuration.
[09:10] <matthew> I'm going to download the 2.4.17 kernel and do it their way...
[09:11] <matthew> o...k...I'm not able to d/l the 2.4 kernel...how odd.
[09:12] <crazyphire> matthew are you familiar with linux?
[09:12] <matthew> ok, nvm, got it working
[09:13] <matthew> yes, I am moderately capable. Why do you ask?
[09:13] <crazyphire> can you help me with my wireless network?
[09:13] <crazyphire> it wont connect even though the settings are correct
[09:13] <sampo-> No, if you dont tell what it's wrong with it
[09:13] <matthew> crazyphire, uh, ok...as far as I can
[09:13] <crazyphire> i wish i knew
[09:13] <matthew> !anyone
[09:13] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:13] <matthew> lol
[09:13] <crazyphire> it simply says Connection failed.
[09:14] <crazyphire> it won't even connect when there is no WEP security
[09:14] <matthew> can you see the network?
[09:14] <crazyphire> its strange because it seems to detect my network card
[09:14] <crazyphire> yeah
[09:14] <matthew> ok...gimme a sec
[09:14] <sampo-> Did it work before ?
[09:15] <matthew> crazyphire, I'm assuming that you're using Wireless Lan Assistant
[09:15] <matthew> ?
[09:15] <crazyphire> yes
[09:15] <sampo-> -->
[09:15] <crazyphire> it has worked on regular Ubuntu just fine, and XP
[09:15] <luca> hi everyone
[09:15] <matthew> make sure that you don't have your eth0 enabled under System Settings->Network Settings
[09:15] <matthew> genii-caffeinate, hey, I'm gonna try it with the 2.4 kernel, since the 2.6 is so different...
[09:16] <genii> matthew Well that is a bit much
[09:16] <crazyphire> it is disabled
[09:16] <genii> matthew I dunno if I'd downgrade from a 2.6 just so my video card would do GL LOL
[09:16] <crazyphire> ath0 is enabled
[09:16] <crazyphire> my wireless interface
[09:16] <matthew> crazyphire, is your eth0 enabled?
[09:17] <crazyphire> no, its disabled
[09:17] <matthew> genii, why not?
[09:17] <crazyphire> and i cant select either of them
[09:17] <matthew> crazyphire, are you using dhcp for the wireless?
[09:17] <crazyphire> yes
[09:17] <genii> matthew well, you'll lose the udev features for one thing
[09:17] <matthew> crazyphire, you need to be administrator for that
[09:17] <crazyphire> matthew: i am admin
[09:17] <luca__> umph crashed
[09:17] <matthew> genii, at the risk of sounding ignorant, what's udev?
[09:17] <matthew> crazyphire, hmmm
[09:17] <crazyphire> i entered root password before using wireless lan ass.
[09:18] <genii> matthew Basically udev creates all the stuff in your /dev directory each boot depending on what actual stuff you have
[09:18] <matthew> crazyphire, no, you need to go to the Kmenu -> System Settings->Network Settings
[09:18] <luca__> anyone using intel graphics cards here?
[09:18] <matthew> genii, like if I swap in hardware?
[09:19] <crazyphire> luca__ im in network settings right now
[09:19] <genii> matthew previously with 2.4 and below there were a bunch of static dev entries
[09:19] <genii> matthew Yup
[09:19] <matthew> genii, I'm beginning to see where you're coming from...maybe I'll just get a cheap-o nvidia and call it good
[09:19] <matthew> ok, 2.4 is off...I give up, I just want to sleep...huuuuuuuh!
[09:19] <crazyphire> okay, kubuntu has seemed to configure itself finally
[09:19] <genii> matthew Well, I'm stubborn....give me some time to see if I can find a binary for your kernel version of ati.2
[09:19] <luca__> crazyphire  am trying to substitute the default i810 graphcis driver with the i915
[09:20] <matthew> genii, I love you.
[09:20] <matthew> the end
[09:20] <genii> matthew what kernel? 2.6-10 or so?
[09:20] <matthew> 2.6.48-10-generic
[09:20] <matthew> default w/ edgy
[09:20] <luca__> crazyphire that's because the i810 does not support suspend, which means it is useless for me :-P
[09:21] <crazyphire> luca__ what in the world are you talking about?
[09:21] <matthew> crazyphire, your wireless is working?
[09:21] <crazyphire> matthew: yes
[09:21] <matthew> crazyphire, you responded to luca__ instead of me...I think.
[09:21] <crazyphire> what does it mean when a popup error says "connection to sound server failed. cpu overload" or something
[09:21] <matthew> crazyphire, cool, but watch out. My wireless used to flip on and off, seemingly randomly
[09:22] <luca__> crazyphire, matthew, probable ;)
[09:23] <genii> matthew OK one of the earlier links has the way to put in the binaries http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ati.2.php   I would likely untar it somewhere safe first tho then copy over the ati.2 file
[09:23] <ddj> Question to all: Does anyone here experience keyboard lockups with PS/2 keyboards? e.g. You boot the system and the PS/2 keyboard does not react at all in Ubuntu (no problem with other OS) ... ?
[09:24] <genii> ddj Perhaps ensure the mouse and keyboard are not swapped
[09:24] <crazyphire> :| my computer just powered of
[09:24] <crazyphire> off
[09:24] <crazyphire> is kubuntu stable?
[09:24] <ddj> @genii: as I said, no problems with other OS
[09:25] <ddj> @crazy: maybe your computer just got too hot?
[09:25] <genii> ddj In some bios especially dell/compaq/hp as well, there is an option for ps2 port for things like auto/off/on  etc. For some *nix it must be explicitly on and not auto
[09:26] <ddj> @genii: How come that other distros (SuSE 9.2, SUSE 10.0, SUSE 10.2, Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper", etc.) have no problems with it?
[09:26] <crazyphire> "sound server fatal error. cpu overload, aborting"
[09:26] <crazyphire> anyone know what that means?
[09:26] <matthew> genii, ok, it looks like I need XFree 4.3.0?
[09:26] <ddj> @genii: I only experience these lockups with 6.10 "Edgy" ... pretty weird.
[09:27] <genii> ddj Well, yeah that is odd. Can't hurt to check your bios for something like that tho.
[09:27] <genii> matthew What ver right now?
[09:27] <matthew> They used 4.3.0 but when I apt-get install XFree, I get nothing...
[09:28] <matthew> genii, couldn't find package XFree
[09:28] <crazyphire> anyone??
[09:28] <genii> matthew OK gimme a minute
[09:28] <spitwise> Xorg?
[09:28] <matthew> XFree86, maybe?
[09:28] <spitwise> is Xfree still used?
[09:28] <Adlai> why would you want xfree86?
[09:28] <matthew> That's the problem with using old hardware...you have you use old software...
[09:28] <spitwise> crazyphire: what processes are/were running?
[09:29] <matthew> Adlai, Because I need it to install ati.2 binaries
[09:29] <crazyphire> none i just booted my computer
[09:29] <Adlai> ugh
[09:29] <spitwise> i thought the switch was made to xorg
[09:29] <Adlai> count me out
[09:29] <Adlai> night all
[09:29] <spitwise> cpu overload right after boot?
[09:29] <matthew> night
[09:29] <crazyphire> yeah
[09:29] <crazyphire> "sound server fatal error. cpu overload, aborting"
[09:29] <matthew> crazyphire, if you were using windows, I would say virus...but as it stands...
[09:29] <spitwise> well 'sound' seemsto be the keyword here ..
[09:30] <crazyphire> i dont think sound is working
[09:30] <crazyphire> i dont hear anything when i boot or login, should i?
[09:30] <spitwise> what os?
[09:30] <crazyphire> kubuntu
[09:30] <matthew> crazyphire, when you login, yes.
[09:30] <genii> I need to remember where X drivers are in debian distros
[09:31] <matthew> crazyphire, it's a sort of "doo doo doo" sound.
[09:31] <matthew> genii, /etc/X11?
[09:31] <crazyphire> eerg, its so hard to find a linux OS compatible with toshiba sattelite
[09:32] <genii> matthew I'm ssh'd into a debian box of mine from this XP machine to try and track it
[09:32] <spitwise> }:/
[09:32] <genii> matthew I think it needs to be a lib dir of some sort
[09:32] <matthew> genii, you kick total ass.
[09:32] <matthew> I know, I know.
[09:32] <matthew> !language | matthew
[09:32] <ubotu> matthew: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:33] <spitwise> heh ubotu
[09:33] <buz> gnomefreak: just thought i'd share how i fixed my kernel booting issues: building the initramfs with yaird did the job
[09:33] <crazyphire> can anyone help me setup my sound card? :s
[09:33] <netmonk> please, forgive my ignorant question. I use Kubuntu on a laptop and noticed it loads lvm, mdmadm-raid and evms. Do I need those?
[09:34] <buz> (i did report that ;-)
[09:34] <genii> matthew Crap I forgot that box is using CLI only LOL
[09:34] <ddj> @netmonk: probably not ....
[09:34] <matthew> lol
[09:35] <genii> matthew You have any contents in /usr/lib/X1 ?
[09:35] <matthew> want to ssh into mine? I'll install ssh server...
[09:35] <genii> matthew You have any contents in /usr/lib/X11 ?
[09:35] <matthew> when I cd there and ls I get this: config  locale  rgb.txt  x11perfcomp  xkb  xsm
[09:35] <netmonk> ddj, is there a way that I can check if i'm using them?
[09:35] <genii> matthew Basically you could find where the driver needs to go from something like locate vesa|grep X11|more
[09:36] <matthew> h/p
[09:36] <matthew> h/o
[09:37] <spitwise> docs say the sound card on a toshiba satellite works 'out of box'
[09:37] <ddj> @netmonk:  Unless you setup some logical volumes on your laptop you probably are definitely not using them. During boot the OS probably will just do a basic check and then exit from the scripts without actvating anything ...
[09:37] <genii> matthew Most likely somewhere like /usr/share/lib/X11 or similar. lib somewhere in the hierarchy most likely
[09:37] <genii> afk a minute, some other boxes beeping for me
[09:38] <netmonk> ddj, I have 4 partitions + one for swap. I did a basic install of Kubuntu. I suppose I am not using these services...
[09:40] <ddj> @netmonk: Yes, you're probably not using them. It's probably safe to remove them from the boot process .... Might speed things up a little.
[09:40] <netmonk> ddj, thats my idea :)
[09:40] <netmonk> will try now :)
[09:41] <ddj> @netmonk: There is a program called "Boot Manager" or something like that which will remove them from the boot process (point and click). However you should not "apt-get remove" them ... they might have dependencies with other stuff on the system.
[09:41] <matthew> genii, when you're back, I found /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-vesa.list
[09:42] <genii> matthew Please do ls /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/|more    and tell me if it looks like drivers for vesa,ati et al look to be in that dir please
[09:42] <matthew> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-vesa
[09:42] <netmonk> ddj, thank you :)
[09:42] <matthew> h/o
[09:42] <matthew> genii, ls: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/: No such file or directory
[09:43] <matthew> my X11 stuff is stored in /etc/X11, I think...this is what ls gets in there: app-defaults             xorg.conf.20061213201550  xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[09:43] <matthew> cursors                  xorg.conf.20061213202039  xorg.conf.original-0
[09:43] <matthew> default-display-manager  xorg.conf.20061213202838  Xresources
[09:43] <matthew> fonts                    xorg.conf.20061213203141  Xsession
[09:43] <matthew> rgb.txt                  xorg.conf.20061213210804  Xsession.d
[09:43] <matthew> X                        xorg.conf.20061213210846  Xsession.options
[09:43] <matthew> xinit                    xorg.conf.20061213212850  XvMCConfig
[09:43] <matthew> xkb                      xorg.conf.20061213213027  Xwrapper.config
[09:43] <matthew> xorg.conf                xorg.conf.20061213231116
[09:43] <matthew> xorg.conf~               xorg.conf.20061213231511
[09:43] <matthew> sorry about the spam!
[09:44] <genii> matthew OK, got it
[09:44] <genii> matthew I am almost certain the right dir is now /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[09:45] <ddj> @geniii ....   /usr/lib/xorg/modules/
[09:45] <genii> it screwed me up because no "X11" search produced a satisfactory result
[09:45] <ddj> I think that's the one you're looking for?
[09:45] <ddj> ah you got it already .... sorry :)
[09:45] <genii> ddj I believe it's the one :)
[09:45] <matthew> genii, ls reveals a driver dir
[09:45] <matthew> I love you ddj
[09:45] <matthew> both of y'all
[09:46] <genii> matthew OK, so if you untarred the stuff from gatos project somewhere safe, copy the ati.2 file from in there to the dir for the drivers
[09:47] <matthew> k, h/o
[09:47] <genii> matthew then of course alter the xorg.conf again, do a dpkg reconfigure for X etc etc... you know the drill by now :)
[09:47] <genii> then glxinfo hopefully will produce a hardware render yes or similar
[09:48] <ayeizajedi> good morning everyone
[09:48] <matthew> I gotta download the gatos stuff again...
[09:48] <LionBG> hello. I have kubuntu LTS but for some reason KDM won't start when i start the computer. I have login first and then run kdm as root. any ideas how i can fix that? already reinstalled kdm - it didn't help
[09:49] <genii> matthew after you get it, untar it in your home dir... then do an updatedb ... then locate ati.2 and it should tell you the exact spot you need to pull it from
[09:50] <matthew> ok...wait. I need the gatos stuff and the ati.2 binary?
[09:51] <genii> matthew ATI-4.3.0-X.i386.tar.gz  is the file. We only need the one binary from it
[09:51] <matthew> ok, sweet
[09:51] <genii> there is a way to extract just the one file but I'm too lazy to scour the man tar page right now LOL
[09:52] <matthew> the one for X.org 6.7.0?
[09:52] <genii> xorg 6.8.2
[09:52] <genii> (should be)
[09:52] <matthew> genii, this is where I am: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12629
[09:54] <genii> OK type in X-version
[09:54] <genii> and see what ver you have
[09:54] <anyday> has anyone had any problems with the x1300 and ubuntu?
[09:54] <genii> anyday Yes it's a common problem
[09:54] <genii> anyday some help can be found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190133
[09:55] <anyday> ive been checking the internet for 2 days and havnt seen a fix , you know if there is one?
[09:55] <genii> anyday The instructions are for the older series but it applies
[09:55] <matthew> X-version x-version x --version not recogged, X --version not valid option
[09:56] <genii> matthew LOL OK gimme a minute
[09:56] <matthew> bleagh, I feel so useless...
[09:57] <genii> It used to be you could do X -V but every distro has to be different
[09:58] <matthew> genii, X -version gives me X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
[09:59] <genii> OK so the tar for 6.7.0 should be fine
[10:00] <matthew> ok, d/l'ing now
[10:01] <ayeizajedi> is there a howto/guide on installing the latest ati driver and getting laptop displays working correctly ?
[10:01] <kavit> I upgraded to Edgy on my toshiba tecra a4 and now my cd rom drive is not being detected
[10:01] <kavit> any ideas?
[10:02] <kavit> Edgy is a hater :(
[10:03] <matthew> genii, I d/l'ed it, untarred into /home/matthew/ati
[10:03] <matthew> onto the ati.2?
[10:03] <genii> ayeizajedi the link I gave for anyday should help you as well
[10:03] <matthew> oh wait, that was the ati.2...
[10:03] <matthew> I need sleep LOL
[10:04] <genii> matthew OK, so now somewhere in that dir structure is the ati.2 file/driver. So updatedb && locate ati.2
[10:04] <matthew> genii, what is updatedb?
[10:05] <genii> matthew then cp/wherever/it/is/ati.2 / /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[10:05] <genii> updatedb updates the lists of what is where on your file system
[10:05] <genii> if you don't updatedb after you change or add a lot of stuff it will give you a cached answer of what files are where
[10:06] <matthew> ok...did it...but I got no output...
[10:07] <genii> what, locate ati.2 produced no result??
[10:07] <genii> bleh
[10:07] <eMaX_> remoin
[10:07] <matthew> genii, yeah. exactly. I ran sudo locate ati.2 by itself to confirm...I cd'ed into the /home/matthew/ati folder
[10:08] <matthew> and I ran locate w/o sudo; same result
[10:08] <matthew> or lack thereof
[10:08] <genii> matthew ok, so in the dir of /home/matthew/ati then do: ls -R *|grep ati|more   and see if that produces a result
[10:08] <matthew> README.ati.6.7.0
[10:09] <eMaX_> anyone here has experiences w/ hotswapping from the drivebay in an ibm laptop?
[10:09] <genii> matthew Well, perhaps read it to see if it's enlightening in any way LOL
[10:10] <matthew> lol
[10:10] <matthew> would you like me to pastebin it?
[10:11] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36965/
[10:12] <genii> OK good :) I am also going back to the sourceforge site shortly to d/l the file and then untar it here on the XP box to see what the hell is in it
[10:12] <kavit> When I try and mount my cdrom i get this
[10:12] <kavit> mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[10:12] <matthew> I found a .so file entitled r128_dri
[10:12] <matthew> roflmfao
[10:12] <kavit> after I upgraded to edgy
[10:13] <kavit> hal-device doesnt list the cdrom drive at all either
[10:13] <kavit> its all gone fubar... any ideas?
[10:13] <wombat_> Hi all
[10:14] <genii> matthew did you download  	ATI-6.7.0-exp1.i386.tar.gz   ?
[10:14] <ddj> kavit: you have a SCSI or USB cdrom ??
[10:14] <matthew> genii, yessir
[10:15] <wombat_> can anyone help me get my web cam to work with Kopete?
[10:15] <matthew> go into /liib/modules/dri to look at that file I found.
[10:15] <matthew> /lib/modules/dri
[10:15] <genii> ok ...AFK, untarring and examining the file
[10:16] <kavit> ddj: it is a tecra a4 laptop with SATA hdd and cd
[10:17] <kavit> ddj: it was working fine with dapper and sarge before that
[10:17] <genii> matthew Yup, thats the only one it can be
[10:17] <matthew> move it to..../usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers?
[10:18] <ddj> @KAVIT:  What does /etc/fstab say ?
[10:18] <genii> If there is a subdir there of dri put it there, otherwise yes
[10:18] <matthew> not able to paste there...chmod 777?
[10:18] <matthew> chown matthew?
[10:18] <genii> matthew just sudo cp it  :)
[10:18] <kavit> ddj: /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[10:19] <matthew> wow, really need sleep. I'm sorry
[10:19] <matthew> I just laughed uncontrollably...I'm losing it...
[10:19] <genii> heh :)
[10:19] <genii> At least you can still laugh
[10:19] <anyday> thanks for the link on the x1300 info, still did not resolve the problem though
[10:20] <genii> anyday :( sorry to hear
[10:20] <ddj> @KAVIT:  Change /dev/scd0 no to:  /dev/scd
[10:20] <ddj> @KAVIT:  Then try again ...
[10:20] <kavit> ddj: ok... i'll give that a shot
[10:20] <matthew> ok, did it
[10:20] <matthew> dpkg config?
[10:21] <anyday> i can get the module loaded fine and rendering says its running but the 2d performance is really really bad and whenever i run glxgears my system hangs
[10:21] <genii> matthew OK so now change xorg.conf to make the driver r128_dri then dpkg reconfigure etc
[10:21] <matthew> ok...h/o
[10:21] <kavit> ddj: mount: special device /dev/scd does not exist
[10:22] <ddj> @KAVIT .... hmmm .... did you check the system logs? Maybe the device is called something else now?
[10:22] <kavit> ddj: hal-device doesnt find a CDROM drive at all.... somehow my cdrom drive is no longer being detected
[10:22] <kavit> ddj: dmesg reveals no cdrom at all
[10:22] <ayeizajedi> thanks genii
[10:23] <genii> anyday what does glxinfo report for the line reading "hardware renderer" or similar?
[10:23] <anyday> ah would have to reboot
[10:23] <ddj> @KAVIT:  hmm .... try this als root:   lsmod | grep "cd"
[10:23] <genii> ayeizajedi did yu resolve your issue?
[10:23] <matthew> genii, you know, I was looking around in /usr/lib/modules/drivers, and there doesn't seem to be any ati.so driver either...I think it's in the wrong spot...
[10:24] <ayeizajedi> genii, im just looking at the page now :) will let you know how i fare :)
[10:24] <matthew> genii, nvm
[10:24] <genii> not just /usr/lib.... xorg in there somewhere LOL
[10:24] <kavit> ddj: it has loaded the cdrom driver
[10:24] <kavit> cdrom                  38944  1 sr_mod
[10:24] <kavit> but its not associated to any devices
[10:25] <genii> ayeizajedi OK cool
[10:25] <ddj> @KAVIT:  can you post the entire list please? As root:  lsmod  .... this should give the complete list
[10:26] <matthew> hold on, still working on it...
[10:26] <kavit> ddj: do you want the whole lsmod or just the result of grep ?
[10:26] <kraut> moin
[10:27] <matthew> this is the directory I meant: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[10:27] <wombat_> can anyone please help me set up my web cam with Kopete?
[10:27] <ddj> kavit ... the whole thing
[10:27] <genii> matthew That should be the dir
[10:27] <matthew> ok, gotta reboot...
[10:28] <kavit> ddj: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36967/
[10:29] <ddj> @kavit .... as root user, can you please take a look into this file:  /var/log/dmesg .... You could do it like this: gksudo gedit /var/log/dmesg
[10:30] <genii-around> possibly just do sudo dmesg|tail
[10:31] <eMaX> re
[10:31] <kavit> ddj: sure... i will have to use kdesu and kwrite though
[10:31] <eMaX> I just recompiled my kernel and have the following problem: when booting the kernel, he says: Waiting for root filesystem...
[10:31] <ddj> @KAVIT:  kdesu kwrite /var/log/dmesg
[10:31] <ddj> or kate$
[10:31] <ddj> kate
[10:32] <ddj> should work just as well
[10:32] <drakeoutlaw> hi all I just switched to kubuntu from ubuntu. wish I had done it a year ago
[10:32] <ddj> why?
[10:32] <matthew> Ok, I'm back...which driver do I select? the ati one or the fglrx one?
[10:32] <genii-around> matthew the r128_dri one
[10:33] <matthew> genii-around, it wasn't shown in the menu
[10:33] <kavit> ddj: done... although cant find "cdrom" or "cd rom" in the file
[10:33] <ddj> @KAVIT:  ok, let's read that one slowly ....
[10:33] <genii> matthew Try then just r128
[10:33] <matthew> ok...
[10:33] <ddj> @KAVIT:  early on it says stuff about ACPI and so on, right?
[10:34] <kavit> ddj: yes it does
[10:34] <ddj> @KAVIT: OK, press "Page Down" a few times, it should then all of a sudden say things about "CPU0" and stuff like that, right?
[10:35] <matthew> it's still not showing up...
[10:35] <kavit> ddj: yes it does
[10:35] <Amelik> hello...   someone can help me to configure bridging on eth0 and eth1 on  kubuntu?
[10:35] <ddj> @KAVIT: OK, now slowly ... press "Page Down" a few times until it starts talking about "PCI" ...
[10:36] <genii> matthew Try just editing the xorg.conf file manually to replace the driver name there it's currently using with r128_dri then restart the x server
[10:36] <kavit> ddj: ok done
[10:36] <matthew> I don't understand. Find+Replace all instances of ati?
[10:37] <genii> matthew You are using the ati driver right now?
[10:37] <matthew> yes
[10:37] <ddj> @KAVIT: oK, now keep your eyes open and scroll line by line ... it should talk about "Real Time Clock" and then immediately after that it will start talking about disk and disk-like devices the kernel can see ...
[10:37] <genii> matthew OK... so open up the xorg.conf file in an editor and look for a place where it has the display section
[10:37] <ddj> @KAVIT:  in my case it says:  "[17179571.632000]  Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac"
[10:38] <paulo> hello all
[10:38] <kavit> ddj: yeah the ata2 driver is loaded...
[10:38] <ddj> @KAVIT: and then just a few lines down it starts listing my IDE devices ...  Does it list some devices it sees?
[10:39] <genii> matthew the current driver name will be there somewehere in quotes... replace where it says "ati"  with "r128_dri"
[10:39] <matthew> It's actually in the "Device" Section, at least, that's what I see...you want me to paste it on pastebin?
[10:39] <matthew> lol
[10:40] <genii> no no thats the right section :)
[10:40] <matthew> rofl
[10:40] <Atoms> hello. i have a problem, i have two sound cards, onboard and audigy, so when pc starts default is onboard, so in kde default too is onboard, how can i change default card in kde or in system ? i need onboard card too, i can not disable it
[10:40] <kavit> ddj: yeah... it lists some devices... mostly my hard drive partitions... no cd rom... no scd
[10:40] <genii> matthew It's been a while since I had to poke around in there etc so a bit rusty
[10:40] <matthew> much better than me...
[10:40] <ddj> @KAVIT: can you please show me what it says?
[10:41] <matthew> ok, I replaced it...log out and restart X?
[10:41] <genii> yup
[10:41] <matthew> brb I hope
[10:41] <Atoms> anybody ?
[10:41] <kavit> ddj: sure I will post it up in a second
[10:42] <drakeoutlaw> !mailserver
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mailserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <drakeoutlaw> !mail server
[10:42] <anyday> well i check my xorg log output and im getting this, (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7). could that be my probleM?
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mail server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <genii> atoms http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=499520
[10:42] <anyday> genii
[10:43] <genii> anyday Hello again :) You may need to put in the GL drivers, yes
[10:43] <kavit> ddj: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36968/
[10:43] <anyday> i tried an apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri and they are already installed
[10:44] <Atoms> genii tnx
[10:44] <genii> anyday gimme a minute and I'll find the one...
[10:44] <genii> atoms no probs
[10:44] <ddj> @KAVIT:  how many disks have you got in your system?
[10:44] <anyday> genii: thx
[10:44] <matthew> genii, back, and it didn't work...had to use the ATI driver...I think the r128 driver is in the wrong dir...
[10:46] <ddj> @KAVIT:  guessing from that output your CD-ROM might be /dev/sdb  ....
[10:46] <genii> matthew It couldn't find it ?
[10:47] <ddj> @KAVIT: there is one line saying: "ata2: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33"
[10:47] <kavit> ddj: ok i will give it a shot
[10:47] <ddj> @KAVIT ... UDMA/33 is way too slow for a harddisk ... I am sure it must be your CD-ROM that it sees right there ...
[10:48] <genii> matthew crap, scroll for the channel is not long enough... do you remember the filename that resolved the glide3 issue? anyday needs the name of it
[10:48] <Atoms> genii didn't help, i set so my ca0106 sound card is default, but after reboot anyway onboard is default
[10:49] <kavit> ddj: /dev doesn't have anything beginning with sd except sda* no sdb
[10:49] <anyday> libgl1-mesa-glide3?
[10:49] <genii> atoms if you look in /etc/modules, are any sound dribvers in there?
[10:49] <genii> anyday no, not that one :)
[10:49] <matthew> genii, got it...it's libosmesa6
[10:49] <ddj> @KAVIT .... hmmm ....
[10:49] <matthew> I'm moderately sure
[10:49] <genii> matthew thx :)
[10:49] <matthew> How can I know that?
[10:49] <matthew> lol
[10:49] <genii> anyday - try apt-get install libosmesa6-dev
[10:50] <Atoms> genii nop, there are no sound drivers at all
[10:50] <ddj> @KAVIT:  can you give me the output of this command:  ls -al /dev/
[10:50] <anyday> kk lemme try brb
[10:50] <genii> atoms OK then... put in the driver name of the secondary card there so it pre-loads
[10:51] <matthew> looks like that just crashed anyday's box...lol? no, I don't think I will.
[10:51] <genii> heh
[10:51] <genii> I think I'm getting a bit sprerad out here LOL
[10:51] <matthew> yeah, just a little...
[10:52] <genii> matthew OK, so if it can't find the driver... it needs to be where it can find it... if the driver is being found but crashes it...well...back to ati or vesa
[10:53] <genii> matthew When it kicks out of X does it give an informative error msg?
[10:53] <matthew> informative? no. not to me...let me check the syslog...
[10:54] <anyday> genii: ok still getting this: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7)
[10:54] <drakeoutlaw> !mail
[10:54] <ubotu> mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[10:54] <eeos> hi there.
[10:55] <Atoms> genii did't help either :(
[10:55] <eeos> I would like to install ubuntu from the net, on a pc with broadband, where there is already another distribution, but where we do not have floppy or cdrom. ho can I do it? can I do it from the iso?
[10:55] <genii> anyday OK try libglew1
[10:56] <canine_kouji> I need to upgrade my ubuntu, I've the latest 6.10.
[10:56] <genii> atoms :( Sorry, then I'm out of quick ideas
[10:56] <Atoms> ehh
[10:57] <Atoms> ok then i will just disable onboard for now :(
[10:57] <matthew> genii, (I'm almost afraid to ask)...pastebin?
[10:58] <anyday> genii libglew1 is already the newest version.
[10:58] <genii-pastebin> anyday  OK, I'm out of answers for the moment then
[10:58] <anyday> sorry
[10:58] <genii-pastebin> np :)
[10:59] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36971/
[11:00] <Narada> hi guys; what do i need to add to sources.lst to get the new java 6
[11:00] <Narada> no response in #ubuntu
[11:01] <matthew> genii-pastebin, there's the full version...had some problems...
[11:01] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36971/
[11:02] <eeos> I would like to install kubuntu from the net, on a pc with broadband, where there is already another distribution, but where we do not have floppy or cdrom. ho can I do it? can I do it from the iso?
[11:02] <eeos> I read the documetation, but did not find an appropriate install method
[11:02] <genii-pastebin> matthew Got it... seems like no error relating to the video driver there however...a ll input devices stuff
[11:03] <matthew> hmmm, so, what does that mean?
[11:03] <genii-pastebin> matthew Somewhere in /var/log there is x11 log... if possible pls pastebin it
[11:04] <matthew> ok
[11:06] <genii-pastebin>  like /var/log/Xorg.0.log or similar
[11:07] <matthew> hmmm, can't find it...maybe in a different location?
[11:08] <genii-pastebin> matthew should be under /var/log hierarchy somewhere
[11:08] <Jucato>  /var/log/ then just look for one that starts with Xorg
[11:08] <Jucato> and ends with .log
[11:08] <matthew> I found the one with Xorg...I thought I was looking for X11...sorry
[11:09] <genii-pastebin> I know, I keep thinking X11 all the time instead of xorg too LOL
[11:09] <matthew> genii-pastebin, the one that I already pastebinned is the xorg.0.log file
[11:10] <matthew> did you want something else?
[11:11] <matthew> I'm going to pee, brb
[11:11] <genii-pastebin> matthew with the driver name in xorg.conf at r128_dri, from command-line try to execute startx or startkde then do a tail|dmesg > somefilename.txt then pastebin that
[11:13] <matthew> ok...right now I'm in a gui, so I'm going to have to drop down to level 2...right?
[11:14] <matthew> I know it seems like my intelligence is decreasing, but I just don't want to screw something up this late in the game.
[11:15] <matthew> oh, do it from _inside_ the gui?
[11:15] <matthew> genii-pastebin, ?
[11:15] <genii-pastebin> here..
[11:16] <matthew> oh, do it from _inside_ the gui?
[11:16] <genii-pastebin> matthew no it's fine, it will tell you the session is being used etc
[11:16] <matthew> ok
[11:16] <matthew> lol, read my above posts for the reasoning behind the idiocy
[11:16] <genii-pastebin> the thing is to see if it can find the driver
[11:16] <matthew> ah
[11:17] <matteoroxx> hello all
[11:17] <matteoroxx> i wanna install many packages that i don't find inside universe or multiverse..such as skype, w32codecs, libdvddeccs and more
[11:18] <matteoroxx> and i don't find a valid p.l.f. link...
[11:18] <matteoroxx> which is a good repositories, pls ?
[11:18] <matteoroxx> thanks in advance
[11:19] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36973/
[11:19] <matthew> ^startx^
[11:19] <matthew> genii-pastebin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36973/
[11:20] <eMaX> re
[11:20] <eMaX> well.
[11:20] <genii-pastebin> OK nothing enlightening :(
[11:20] <matthew> bummer
[11:20] <eMaX> in 2.6.19, hotswap works. yet the generic kernel is not so easy to configure - wlan no longer works, and also my soundcard. anyone has an idea when edgy will upgrade to 2.6.18ff?
[11:20] <matthew> want me to try startkde?
[11:20] <genii> matthew in your xorg.conf  in the modules section is dri there?
[11:21] <matthew> lemme look
[11:22] <matthew> genii, under section "Module" it is called, and that's about it
[11:23] <matthew> genii, Load	"dri"
[11:23] <genii> matthew OK good
[11:23] <genii> gimme a minute to go look at a box here
[11:23] <matthew> genii, how long have we been on this thing? like...5 hours..lol, that's dedication
[11:23] <matthew> ok, go for it...
[11:25] <genii> heh :)
[11:26] <genii> OK, please try this... rename the r128_dri.so file to r128dri_drv.so   then put as the driver name in xorg.conf  just  r128dri
[11:26] <matthew> ok
[11:27] <genii> then restart the x server
[11:27] <genii> etc etc
[11:28] <genii> matthew Well I'm stuck on an allnighter doing a batch netboot install of 50 systems anyhow so it's not like time is a problem for me
[11:29] <matthew> wow...what do you do?
[11:29] <genii> I'm a sysadmin for an isp in Toronto, Canada
[11:29] <matthew> nice.
[11:30] <matthew> can't rename the damn thing...tried chowning and chmodding...and I can't remember how to rename...bleagh
[11:30] <matthew> help?
[11:30] <genii> Well we are a non-profit isp so sometimes nice sometimes not LOL
[11:30] <matthew> lol, how does that work?
[11:30] <genii> matthew there is no rename command since between cp and mv unix doesn't need one
[11:30] <matthew> non-profit...so you're kind of transparent between big ISP's and customers?
[11:31] <genii> just do mv oldname newname
[11:32] <matthew> there is to a rename command, but your way is better. thanks.
[11:32] <matthew> too
[11:32] <matthew> try it again?
[11:32] <matthew> startx? or restart xserver?
[11:32] <genii> matthew We basically get bulk discount in PRI lines and subsidised server space in a nice spot and sell at cost with fixed IPs etc
[11:33] <matthew> nice
[11:33] <genii> matthew yeah just retart and if it chokes go in with nano and change it back from r128dri to ati etc etc
[11:36] <matthew> genii, meh, it choked
[11:36] <genii> matthew Bleh
[11:36] <matthew> genii, exactly
[11:37] <genii> well I'm ready to concede
[11:37] <genii> LOL
[11:37] <matthew> any other ideas besides get a good graphics card?
[11:37] <matthew> ok, fine by me
[11:37] <drakeoutlaw> !sql server
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sql server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <drakeoutlaw> !sql
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sql - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <matthew> just wanted to see if it could be done...
[11:37] <genii> !mysqld
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mysqld - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <matthew> rofl
[11:37] <drakeoutlaw> ! sql
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sql - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <matthew> !lamp
[11:37] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:37] <matthew> genii, thanks so much for your time
[11:38] <genii> matthew No prob. Just disappointed it didn't turn out better
[11:38] <matthew> yeah, me too...now I have to spend 40 dollars on ebay...oh well...I work at a computer store, so i can get anything at cost...you want anything?
[11:40] <genii> yeah some old Seagate barracudas LOL
[11:40] <matthew> how big?
[11:40] <genii> 36
[11:40] <matthew> got a box full of them.
[11:40] <genii> SCSI UW
[11:40] <matthew> 36 gigs?
[11:40] <genii> Yeah I have 3 raid5 which need matched 36
[11:40] <matthew> scsi...that might be a little hard...I'll look into it.
[11:41] <matthew> my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:41] <matthew> We can go from there...cool?
[11:41] <genii> yup, cool
[11:41] <genii> got your addie saved
[11:41] <matthew> sweet...ttyl
[11:41] <genii> have fun :)
[11:41] <matthew> always!
[11:48] <Agent_bob> !ati
[11:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:50] <tye> hi
[11:58] <alyx> have someone experience with the asus A6R notebook?
[12:01] <nata1> whats the best program for KDE to use for webdesign?
[12:02] <nata1> something similiar to dreamweaver.
[12:02] <Jucato> !quanta
[12:02] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2361 kB, installed size 5700 kB
[12:02] <nata1> thanks Jucato.
[12:09] <Guardian> hi
[12:09] <Guardian> how can i get kde display an icon on the desktop when i plug an usb drive ?
[12:09] <sebbar> it doesn't display it automatically?
[12:10] <Guardian> nop
[12:10] <Guardian> it opens a dialog box, asking what i want to do: open in new window etc ...
[12:14] <sebbar> well if you select open in new window do you have the icon on the desktop afterwards?
[12:15] <Guardian> no
[12:15] <Guardian> and the window does not open :(
[12:16] <genii-around> !register
[12:16] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:18] <sebbar> have tried googling for your usb device + linux to see if maybe it's not supported or something like that?
[12:22] <Guardian> same behavior whatever usb device i use
[12:22] <Guardian> works on the next ubuntu dapper
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> have you checked in media:\ or /media
[12:23] <nata1> whats the easiest way to install java on kubuntu?
[12:23] <nata1> is there an apt package available to do that?
[12:23] <Guardian> nothing in /media
[12:24] <Jucato> !java | nata1
[12:24] <ubotu> nata1: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:47] <kavit> I hate edgy
[12:47] <kavit> :(
[12:47] <Lynoure> kavit: Then use dapper instead?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> use warty instead!
[12:49] <kavit> Lynoure: downgrading is sacrificing a day or two to make sure everything works
[12:50] <kavit> it is a development box of sorts.... I am just hitting every bug
[12:50] <Lynoure> kavit: ok, I thought you meant you hate it enough to want to get rid of it.
[12:50] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: How long is warty still supported?
[12:50] <kavit> Lynoure: I am a masochist of sorts... I enjoy the pain.. i think
[12:50] <Lynoure> I didn't think it was anymore
[12:51] <kavit> Lynoure: don't know how else to explain my dogged persistance
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: it's not
[12:51] <Lynoure> kavit: I know that mindset :)
[12:55] <kavit> any developers around?
[12:55] <stamen> hi
[12:56] <stamen> how to make in console the ethernet adapter to work with static IP address
[12:56] <kavit> I shouldn't have moved from next door to jeff waugh... atleast i could bitch to him about bugs
[12:56] <stamen> or DHCP
[12:57] <kavit> stamen: sudo ifconfig ethX up and sudo dhclient ethX where X is the number you want to use
[12:58] <stamen> ok
[12:58] <stamen> and moving from dhclient to static
[12:58] <stamen> ?
[12:58] <stamen> how
[12:59] <kavit> to change the static configuration edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:59] <stamen> ok, 10x
[12:59] <kavit> no worries matey
[12:59] <stamen> what to write there for static
[01:00] <kavit> iface ethX inet static
[01:00] <kavit> address <insert IP>
[01:00] <stamen> kavit: 10x a lot
[01:00] <stamen> :)
[01:00] <kavit> stamen: there is more
[01:01] <kavit> stamen: you need to supply netmask and gateway
[01:01] <stamen> the other thing I know
[01:01] <stamen> the question was for static and DHCP
[01:01] <kavit> no worries
[01:01] <stamen> :)
[01:06] <peikko> #lahti
[01:10] <drakeoutlaw> what is the default runlevel in kubuntu?
[01:12] <drakeoutlaw> !runlevel
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <drakeoutlaw> !run level
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about run level - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:13] <cpk1> 2-5
[01:13] <cpk1> i think
[01:14] <drakeoutlaw> how would one boot to command line interface?
[01:17] <cpk1> !upstart
[01:17] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[01:17] <drakeoutlaw> thanx
[01:17] <cpk1> provided you are on edgy
[01:18] <drakeoutlaw> on edge is right :-)
[01:24] <shenmue> hi
[01:25] <shenmue> anyone know how to limit the length the rl_history file of lftp?
[01:28] <buzzy-> Hello,  i have a problem on my hard disk> i have resized some partitions and now windows does not start anymore...if i start linux (ubuntu) it makes the filesystem check...but fails and asks me to do it manually O_O..what can i do?
[01:30] <nata1> is there a apt package available for Mozilla Thunderbird?
[01:30] <crube_> http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ Wtf? :D
[01:31] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: You need to boot the machine with your windows xp disk and press R to run the repair console . then do chkdsk
[01:31] <buzzy-> ok drakeoutlaw
[01:32] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: If that dowsn't fix your windoz partition you will have to reinstall windoz
[01:33] <buzzy-> drakeoutlaw,  ok
[01:33] <buzzy-> drakeoutlaw,  fsck with what params?
[01:33] <buzzy-> *chkdsk
[01:33] <eMaX_> re
[01:33] <eMaX_> how come I cannot remove entries from one given kde menu - system - settings
[01:33] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: no windows uses chkdsk /p or chkdsk /? to see the help
[01:34] <buzzy-> ok i will try
[01:34] <buzzy-> common
[01:34] <buzzy-> thanks a lot drakeoutlaw
[01:34] <buzzy-> hope it'll solve ;)
[01:34] <buzzy-> bye
[01:35] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: good luck
[01:36] <eMaX_> someone here can help me restore some default kubuntu system menu entries? for some reason I lost them like user manager, settings, etc.
[01:38] <vge> eMaX_: have you trid updating the menu?
[01:40] <lazarus__> I have samba installed and running, so that I can browse shared folders. Can I mount those shares, so that all programs (not just konqueror, etc) see them as part of the filesystem? Im trying to do it in Disk & Filesystems in system settings, but get errors when I try to enable the networked disk
[01:40] <drakeoutlaw> vge: how do you do update menu?
[01:43] <vge> drakeoutlaw: i think the quickest method is to second click the menu and select "edit menu", from there press the save button and it will update your menu
[01:44] <eMaX_> yes i did now I lost all my previous chagnes :(
[01:44] <Jucato> which menus are you missng?
[02:13] <megapig> How do i change my screen resolution to 1280x800?
go in Control Panel
[02:16] <universi> It's possible install nubuntu security tools on kubuntu? There are repos?
[02:19] <cpk1> define security tools?
[02:20] <universi> tools as sniffers, which i can find for example in Backtrack distro
[02:22] <Lynoure> universi: That's probably a question better targeted to the people who packaged them. But very many sniffers exist in Universe already
[02:24] <universi> i'm not interesting only to sniffers, i have mensioned sniffer for give an example
[02:25] <Lynoure> universi: So you want to know if each and every of them is available for kubuntu? That's really a question best answered on irc.kaffeinenet.com #nubuntu
[02:26] <universi> Lynoure: i try to connect to nubuntu channel but connection appears refused
[02:26] <universi> Lynoure: exacly
[02:26] <Lynoure> universi: you can  do some  apt-cache show:ing for the package names yourself, too
[02:26] <Pensacola> how to start the update notifier in edgy? I accidentaly closed it
[02:27] <universi> i fill "nubuntu" in adept searchbar but 0 results
[02:28] <abattoir> Pensacola: 'kdesu adept_updater'
[02:29] <Pensacola> will it start automatically next time?
[02:29] <abattoir> Pensacola: if you close KDE w/ it running, and have Session restore on, it should
[02:29] <Pensacola> ok thx
[02:29] <Lynoure> universi: That's the distribution name, not the package name, I think
[02:30] <Lynoure> universi: but if you just want kde and nubuntu, you can install kubuntu-desktop on nubuntu, it seems
[02:30] <universi> :D i know lynoure....
[02:31] <universi> but if adding a pakage mirror in my list of adept repos ...?!?
[02:32] <gerula> hi all
[02:32] <universi> :D sorry for my english
[02:34] <xsacha> http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Dec/bch20061205000073.htm  65nm  finally! :D
[02:34] <Lynoure> universi: it's your system, no promises, but if you have backups and testdrive the installs with the simulate switch, you should be roughly fine.
[02:36] <Lynoure> universi: If you things work radically well or radically badly, talk about it somewhere so that other people have to a bit less questioning. Good luck and have fun.
[02:38] <universi> bye
[02:45] <trueckl> hoi
[02:46] <trueckl> mh
[02:51] <chih> hello everybody
[02:51] <chih>
[02:52] <trueckl> N abend ;)
[02:52] <chih>
[02:52] <chih>  # apt-get update
[02:52] <chih> # apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:53] <chih>
[02:53] <chih> # apt-get update
[02:53] <chih> apt-get upgrade
[02:53] <chih>
[02:53] <chih>
[02:53] <Murchadh> chih, !apt-get update
[02:54] <Jucato> !cn
[02:54] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:56] <eMaX_> did I say recently, the kde menu editor sucks... I keep loosing menu entries
[02:57] <Jucato> I did ask which menus disappeared
[02:57] <Jucato> about an hour ago
[02:57] <kavit> any devs or /dev node hackers here?
[02:58] <kavit> I have an issue with a ATAPI DVD RAM drive and edgy
[02:58] <kavit> round 2 :(
[02:59] <eMaX_> well about one hour ago I reinitialized my menu. then i started sorting things again. then when I finally was sort of finished, I looked through and there was one of my submenus missing. a custom created one. and all its icons.
[03:00] <eMaX_> then I see ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu and that my icons are there noted as "<deleted>...</deleted>". Now what the F I delete that section manually, but KDE is totally uninterested in rereading that file.
[03:01] <buzzy> hello
[03:01] <buzzy> how can i configura grub menu.lst ?
[03:01] <_kuja_> with a text editor :)
[03:01] <chih> use vi
[03:02] <malik__> guyz why doesnt real player in linux plays anything properly?.............it keeps jerking n skipping video...........any one have any idea?
[03:02] <_kuja_> or kate, if you've never used vi
[03:02] <buzzy> how can i configura grub menu.lst ? i mean what should i write in it?
[03:03] <malik__> is there any way that we can play real video files with kaffeine or Kmplayer??
[03:03] <_kuja_> malik_ real player in linux is essentially a completely differnet player in linux.
[03:03] <_kuja_> malik:might be able to if you have the w32codecs installed.
[03:03] <malik__> i think i have w32codecs installed
[03:03] <buzzy> ok guys i have linux and windows in the same HD (partitioned) now want to configure grub so that i can choose if to boot with win or linux...
[03:03] <_kuja_> buzzy: depends what you want to do to it
[03:04] <buzzy> how do i do that?
[03:04] <buzzy> _kuja_, ?
[03:04] <_kuja_> It probably doesn't help much that I'm lagging 3 seconds, is it?
[03:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:05] <_kuja_> malik: if you have the w32codecs installed, then you're probably pretty much at the limit of what proprietary formats you can play.
[03:05] <shenmue> what's the difference between mplayer and kmplayer?
[03:05] <_kuja_> helluuu
[03:05] <HymnToLife> shenmue, methinks kmplayer is a Qt based GUI for mplayer
[03:05] <_kuja_> kmplayer is a frontend for xine, mplayer, and gstreamer, whereas, mplayer is itself.
[03:05] <HymnToLife> !kmplayer
[03:05] <ubotu> kmplayer: media player for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 187 kB, installed size 620 kB
[03:07] <_kuja_> mplayer is a cli based video player, with an optionally available gtk frontend. On the other hand, KMPlayer and KPlayer both exist ... and IMO they should switch names ... it'd make more sense.
[03:07] <mindspin_> hi,nearly "out of a sudden" my keyboard went mad,I have to push the keys for about a second toshow up,it works on commandline log in.any idea?
[03:10] <malik__> so that wud mean i ll be never able to play real video files?
[03:11] <malik__> !cli
[03:11] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:11] <Jucato> which real video files? .rmvb? .rm?
[03:12] <_kuja_> mindspin: the last time my keyboard went mad, it had hot steamy liquid and marshmallows floating in it :O
[03:12] <malik__> Jucato: it says .rm on the extension
[03:13] <Jucato> malik__: I can play those on kaffeine....
[03:13] <malik__> it plays just fine in win xp
[03:13] <Jucato> w32codecs, I think
[03:13] <malik__> i have w32 codecs
[03:13] <malik__> but recently i installed real playerr u think it might have mucked up the settings?
[03:13] <_kuja_> realplayer in windows != realplayer in linux .... realplayer in linux = helix player with real media playback capabilities
[03:14] <BluesKaj> rm = Real Media = Realplayer ..a pain in the ass
[03:14] <Jucato> I don't think it would have mucked up anything...
[03:15] <_kuja_> ack, looks like I've hit my download limit ...
[03:16] <_kuja_> my lag was 52s there for a couple minutes ... weird
[03:18] <malik__> in the error details it says that xine: demuxer failed to start..........what could that mean?
[03:18] <Narada> hi anyone got home and end keys working in ubuntu in eterm?
[03:18] <_kuja_> it means it was unable to demux the file. Pretty straightforward really.
[03:18] <malik__> i mean there are some files with rm extension kaffeine is playin n then this particular one its not playin
[03:19] <_kuja_> there are 10 or more versions of the rm format. It plays some but not others
[03:19] <malik__> oki then canu plz tell me what does demux means?
[03:19] <_kuja_> I'm pretty sure it has to do with seperating the audio and the video, or some such
[03:21] <_kuja_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demux
[03:21] <malik__> Hmm well for that i miss win xp
[03:22] <eMaX_> re
[03:22] <malik__> but i guess i can live with that
[03:22] <_kuja_> if realplayer's playback is jerky, there is probably something you need to configure. It has quite a few settings that you can change related to playback, especially with regards to streaming playback.
[03:22] <eMaX_> anyone ever used easyubunut? I try to install codecs and he tells me that there is no source for the w32codecs
[03:22] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[03:22] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[03:22] <_kuja_> I've never used easyubuntu, but I know where to get the w32codecs.
[03:23] <_kuja_> http://mplayerhq.hu
[03:23] <malik__> _kuja_: i dont use realplayer for streamin playback .........i like kaffeine coz then i can record the streams too:)
[03:24] <sercik> !mp3
[03:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:25] <eMaX_> what's more easyubuntu.freecontrib.org seems to be down
[03:25] <HymnToLife> eMaX_, think of it as a nice opportunity to learn doing stuff by yourself :)
[03:26] <eMaX_> well yes :)
[03:28] <s-toned> I didn't get dapper to work with my Matrox G550DH (only vesa, no xinerama). So I installed breezy again. Is my only option to switch to nvidia to get a working xinerama installation? (Acceleration would be better anyway.)
[03:29] <maniacxs> Hi, I am searching the drop_caches switch in /proc/sys/vm/ on a kubuntu. Not able to find it. any ideas where it disappeared to?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> KDETV crashes X ... clicks off and puts me back into the login page .... any ideas ?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> yeah i know , if it hurts when ya do that ...don't do that  :)
[03:32] <_kuja_> here's my idea: compile it with --enable-debug=full and submit a bug report with a nice backtrace :O
[03:35] <s-toned> Can (should) I mix (with pinning) breezy and dapper like I used to mix debian stable and testing?
[03:41] <Igor_V2>  anybody knows the command to get plugins for totem video player?
[03:41] <fannagoganna_> what?
[03:42] <fannagoganna_> totem is merely a front end to xine and gstreamer
[03:47] <wildchild> hello there is in edgy any package similar to aida32 (I wanna se what hardware I have on conputer...)
[03:48] <angasule> fannagoganna_: how about interface plugins (for example, to search for files)? Probably wasn't what he wanted, but still not a crazy idea
[03:48] <fannagoganna_> are there?
[03:49] <fannagoganna_> totem is pretty integrated into GNOME, I think everything is  done through audiovisual backends or through gnome libraries
[03:57] <BluesKaj> I like the new version of KTorrent quite a lot , but I've enabled the UDP /TCP ports required and files are DLing NP , but I see in the peers DHT column that the hash tables are X"d out ...why
[04:01] <linux_> what is the command to view the processes ?
[04:02] <malik__> what is the latest version of Ktorrent?
[04:02] <HymnToLife> linux_ > ps
[04:02] <HymnToLife> !ktorrent | malik__
[04:02] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1155 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[04:03] <angasule> !nvidia > angasule
[04:03] <linux_> yes okey :)
[04:05] <linux_> but there is also a other command, that startup a grafische program
[04:05] <linux_> and you can stop processes
[04:05] <buzzy> sorry people can you say me if i have set well my grub? I would like to be able to boot windows partition. i have pasted fdisk -l and menu.lst content: http://rafb.net/paste/results/mSEqJT58.html
[04:07] <lazarus__> Im trying to mount a network share (following a howto) and it shows up in konqueror as media:/MY DOCUMENTS, but nothing is displayed in the konqueror window. and a messagebox comes up saying feature only available with HAL. Can anybody give me a clue, as I have none. Do I need to install or activate HAL?
[04:08] <troy> do OOo 2.1 packages exist anywhere (other than klik)?
[04:08] <buzzy> can you help me please?
[04:09] <BluesKaj> lazarus__, have you considered samba for network sharing ?
[04:10] <lazarus__> BluesKaj:  yes, Ive got samba installed and working. I just want the shares to be mounted in the filesystem
[04:11] <BluesKaj> lazarus__, is the the network tree listed ok ?
[04:13] <mindspin>  does anyone know how to fix my keyboard issues,I could swear that its relatetd to the hal update today. I have the keys to push about a second each to show up.On commandline login, theres no problem, even typing the password before kde starts up is normal. But after kde is running, my keyboard gets weird
[04:13] <mindspin>  I installed the older working version again with no help, I guess the other two packages have to be "downgraded" to. when if, then how? ;-)
[04:14] <lazarus__> BluesKaj: yes
[04:14] <BluesKaj> are the othe pcs on your network running windows ?
[04:15] <BluesKaj> other
[04:15] <mirshafie> hello. i'm having some problems with kde suddenly slowing down. it works fine for a few hours, sometimes one, sometimes nine, but then it  just goes slomo until i'm kicked back at kdm (unless i logout first). arts seems to crash sometimes when mplayer is running ("cpu overload"), but i don't know if these are related. it all used to work fine on dapper.
[04:15] <lazarus__> BluesKaj: the one other pc is windows/kubuntu dual-boot, currently booted in kubuntu
[04:15] <cebices4> hi
[04:16] <ibert> mirshafie: the gam_server?
[04:17] <mirshafie> ibert: gam_server? don't know what that is
[04:17] <cebices4> dns, routers, server redirection, can you tell me the best channel to ask about this?
[04:17] <mirshafie> oh yeah, forgot to mention top says everyting consumes normal amounts of cpu and ra,
[04:17] <mirshafie> *m
[04:18] <lazarus__> BluesKaj: the howto I followed is at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount_network_folders_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read.2Fwrite
[04:18] <ibert> mirshafie: can you log into a vt when kde is slowing down? if yes, login, and type top. if there is the app gam_server running with high cpu usage, than you've found the problem.
[04:19] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[04:19] <DarkWizzard> I need some help
[04:19] <DarkWizzard> My ISP just switched to pppoe
[04:20] <DarkWizzard> and I need to configure it under kubuntu
[04:20] <mirshafie> sorry, it happened again. would be really nice if someone could help me out with this :D
[04:20] <DarkWizzard> I'm under windows now
[04:20] <ibert> mirshafie: try to start  top and you will see which application is slowing down your machine...
[04:20] <ibert> mirshafie: ever tried top?
[04:21] <mirshafie> ibert: of course, and top says everything consumes pretty normal amounts of virt, cpu and mem
[04:21] <vyoman> Hi could someone confirm that there have been a number of eclipse updates recently, or is there something wrong with my installation?
[04:23] <cebices4> how do I redirect a subdomain to a second computer, using another port?
[04:23] <ibert> mirshafie: check top if the problem occurs.
[04:24] <buzzy> guys i booted linux with printer switched off, now i need to print but it is not mounted ...what is the correct way to print? (a webpage from firefox)
[04:24] <vyoman> uhhps wrong channel sorry
[04:25] <mirshafie> ibert: yea, that's what i have done, but it doesn't give me a clue. the only thing that i think could prod me in the right direction is that artsmessage error, that says my cpu overloaded.
[04:25] <cebices4> lets say i use a router with a firewall and a computer with apache listening on port 80, and a domain, and i want to use a second port 81 to redirect a subdomain to another apache server, on a second computer. How can I do this?
[04:26] <malik__> buzzy: try mount -a n see if it works
[04:26] <ibert> mirshafie: ah. I see. so that's another possibility. but actually I don't use arts.
[04:27] <mirshafie> ibert: well, i've always heard arts suck, so i thought maybe i should just try something else. i guess the alternative is alsa? any ideas on how i could switch?
[04:28] <trappist> mirshafie: it depends on your sound card.
[04:29] <trappist> mirshafie: if your sound card does hardware mixing, like an audigy, you don't need anything like arts.  otherwise I recommend using arts.
[04:29] <ibert> mirshafie: system settings -> soudns& multimedia -> deactivate soundsystem
[04:29] <mirshafie> trappist: how do i find out?
[04:29] <trappist> mirshafie: what sound card do you have?
[04:29] <ibert> mirshafie: just try. deactivate arts, and play 2 different sounds. like skyp and amarok
[04:30] <ibert> mirshafie: skype with alsa of course
[04:30] <ibert> mirshafie: or kaffeine and amarok
[04:30] <sercik> hellooooooooooo
[04:30] <malik__> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii  :)
[04:30] <sercik> hi to all great people in this forum
[04:31] <mirshafie> ibert: i'll try it, but the thing is that artsmessage thing occours only rarely, and just sometimes when i run mplayer. usually it doesn't happen, but i still can't help to think there's a connection
[04:31] <sercik> someone here have installed xgl?
[04:31] <mirshafie> trappist: not sure really :)
[04:31] <malik__> !xgl
[04:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:32] <sercik> malik__: i'll read!
[04:32] <llutz> hi
[04:33] <trappist> mirshafie: lspci | grep Audio
[04:33] <malik__> sercik: i wa chkin for myself, just wantd to know what it is
[04:33] <malik__> im a newbie
[04:34] <sercik> wa chkin?
[04:34] <malik__> was checking:)
[04:34] <malik__> bad habit of sms chat
[04:34] <mirshafie> ibert: i deactivated the sound system, and sound still works (which doesn't make sense to me...)
[04:35] <mirshafie> trappist: this is what i get: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[04:35] <ibert> mirshafie: sound works in 2 layers. you can use kde soundsystem if you want, but you don't have to.
[04:35] <trappist> mirshafie: that's what I get too.  did you try playing two sounds at once?
[04:36] <ibert> mirshafie: i have the same hardware and I don't have to use arts
[04:36] <BluesKaj> lazarus__, sorry i'll have to hand off to someone who knows something about HAL ...i have no knowledge of it ..I'm running a small home network setup with this linux box and wife's windows pc ...I don'r recall anything about a HAL  utility in the "mix". :(
[04:36] <ibert> mirshafie: your hardware supports mixing out of the box
[04:36] <monad> hello... after manually installing libdvdcss and compiling mplayer from source, i get several errors when compiling some self-written C programs: ../../types.h: error: duplicate unsigned
[04:37] <kavit> this ----> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37006/   is causing HAL/DBUS to not load/recognise my DVD RAM drive... any ideas?
[04:37] <lazarus__> ok, thanks anyway BluesKaj
[04:38] <monad> any ideas?
[04:38] <mirshafie|> trappist, ibert: well, i tried to run mplayer with amarok playing songs, and i got kicked right back out at kdm
[04:39] <BluesKaj> sounds like this HAL thing is causing probs with others as well
[04:39] <trappist> mirshafie|: well that shouldn't happen, but apparently you do want to use arts
[04:39] <mirshafie|> i usually just mute amarok when i'm using mplayer
[04:40] <trappist> mirshafie|: me too, but this was a test to see if you could play multiple sounds simultaneously.  a real life example would be like listening to amarak, and kopete wants to beep at you.
[04:40] <kavit> as soon as I went from dapper to edgy my dvd ram drive stopped working.... what good is a laptop without an optical drive
[04:41] <RealisticDragon> dvd ram? oO
[04:41] <RealisticDragon> rare to say the least :)
[04:41] <mirshafie|> trappist: ok. i enabled the sound system again. is there any alternatives to arts?
[04:42] <kavit> RealisticDragon: its a Toshiba Tecra A4... not so rare
[04:42] <trappist> mirshafie|: sort of, but arts is what you want if you use kde
[04:42] <mirshafie|> trappist: ok
[04:43] <kavit> RealisticDragon:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37006/  <---------- can you make sense of this??
[04:43] <RealisticDragon> hm says it has a DVD RW drive, not a DVD RAM drive :o maybe they made several versions :)
[04:43] <monad> hello... after manually installing libdvdcss and compiling mplayer from source, i get several errors when compiling some self-written C programs: ../../types.h: error: duplicate unsigned
[04:43] <mirshafie|> trappist: so, could it be that it's something wrong with my soundcard? because it's quite messy, some of the ports don't even work
[04:43] <jontec> how do I upgrade to edgy from dapper.... what package?
[04:43] <RealisticDragon> you need to change the repos you are using jontec - the instructions are on the front page of the kubuntu website
[04:44] <BluesKaj> !Edgy
[04:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:44] <kavit> RealisticDragon: yeah they did.... but it is an ATAPI device to say the least
[04:44] <kavit> RealisticDragon: it was working reallllllly well with everything else I have used on this machine
[04:45] <RealisticDragon> it is wierd that it has died :/ can you see it from the edgy live CD?
[04:46] <easytiger> hi. when i run sudo iwlist scanning i can see my wireless network, but when i set the networking utility to conect to it it doesnt connect
[04:46] <easytiger> and its a belkin usb wireless and the entwork is not encrypted
[04:47] <kavit> RealisticDragon: I did a dist-upgrade
[04:47] <kavit> RealisticDragon: it worked with sarge :(
[04:47] <usr> hi
[04:47] <RealisticDragon> easytiger: give 'sudo iwconfig <interface> ssid networkname && dhcpcd <interface>' a go and see if it connects
[04:48] <easytiger> will do
[04:48] <RealisticDragon> kavit: i think they changed something with the /dev system in edgy, although i dont know the details exactly :o if it works off the live CD then theres a very good chance its fixable
[04:49] <kavit> Re\
[04:49] <kavit> RealisticDragon: yeah... I need the DVD writer to work to burn a live cd though :(
[04:49] <RealisticDragon> sorry easytiger that should be dhclient <interface> forget my head if it wasnt glued on ;)
[04:50] <RealisticDragon> d'oh... does the drive show up in lspci?
[04:50] <easytiger> RealisticDragon: yea it just tries a few times then says no offers
[04:50] <kavit> RealisticDragon: lshal shows it to be a generic scsi device
[04:51] <RealisticDragon> easytiger: it might be worth trying a different config utility - wifi-radar sometimes works better than nm-applet or knetworkmanager
[04:51] <RealisticDragon> its in adept :) run it with sudo wifi-radar
[04:52] <llutz> easytiger: try to switch off encryption explicit: iwconfig >dev> enc off
[04:52] <easytiger> RealisticDragon: cool. sadly the computer has no network connection
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> kavit: dont know if i can be any help :/ sorry
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> ahh sorry easytiger, didnt realise it was wireless only :)
[04:53] <easytiger> alas
[04:55] <kavit> RealisticDragon: thanks for trying anyway :)
[04:57] <VSpike> If I go into the control panel and disable the sound system, does that stop arts running?
[04:58] <VSpike> hm no.. sorry shoulda checked that myself
[04:58] <VSpike> I guess it stops it actually doing anything though?
[05:04] <Sebboh> How do I inform KDE that I want to double click files to open them, not single click?
[05:04] <RealisticDragon> system settings>keyboard and mouse>mouse
[05:04] <Sebboh> (Or at least not open the file twice if I do double click, jeeze. ;P )
[05:04] <RealisticDragon> i think you can change the delay there as well :)
[05:05] <Jucato> (In Dapper, it would be just System Settings -> Mouse)
[05:05] <shenmue> !lvm2
[05:05] <ubotu> lvm2: The Linux Logical Volume Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.02.06-2ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 292 kB, installed size 828 kB
[05:05] <shenmue> !lvm2 | shenmue
[05:05] <RealisticDragon> the control panel seems to be getting a little more obtuse with every release :/
[05:05] <Sebboh> The double click delay?  That would have nothing to do with it. =)  File open is set to double click now, thanks all.
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> np
[05:06] <shenmue> !lvm2 > shenmue
[05:06] <dettoaltrimenti_> where is the control panel in kubuntu?
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> start>system settings
[05:06] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: K / System Settings
[05:06] <snama> or you can type    kcontrol    in konsole
[05:07] <LjL> or in alt+f2 for that matter
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> alt-space kcontrol :)
[05:07] <kavit> whats the gpg key for kubuntu.org apt repository?
[05:07] <LjL> RealisticDragon: that won't work
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> bah, its not in katapult.. wonder why
[05:07] <LjL> RealisticDragon: it only knows about things that are somewhere in the menu i think
[05:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there somewhere under system settings where I can choose which programs to load at startup? or do I have to write a script to do that?
[05:07] <snama> hey this is great stuff man
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> i do love katapult but it can be a bit odd :)
[05:08] <snama> where are you all from?
[05:08] <Jucato> K Menu -> System Settings
[05:08] <LjL> kavit: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php
[05:08] <jerp> kavit, go to that automated repository generator, they'll have it there
[05:08] <RealisticDragon> england snama
[05:08] <snama> iam fron sweden
[05:08] <snama> from*
[05:08] <Jucato> RealisticDragon: its Programs catalog only knows those that are in the K Menu
[05:08] <buzzy> how do i mount a floppy in fat mode?
[05:08] <kavit> jerp: which one?
[05:09] <RealisticDragon> well alt-space sys works anyway ;)
[05:09] <_kuja_> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /path/to/mountpoint
[05:09] <_kuja_> perhaps
[05:09] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: can't you just open all (and only) the programs you want to be run at startup, and do a K / Save Session?
[05:09] <snama> what is katapult btw?
[05:09] <LjL> !katapult
[05:09] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[05:09] <LjL> snama: press Alt+Space
[05:09] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: you can just create links to the applications you want to startup in ~/.kde/Autostart (right click -> Create New -> Link to Application). Or you could use KDE's Session management which is set to "Restore from previous session" by default
[05:10] <LjL> oh it's previous session by default
[05:10] <jerp> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:10] <snama> man itws great stuff
[05:10] <Jucato> LjL: yep. not manually save session
[05:10] <_kuja_> katapult's even a fully functional calculator :)
[05:11] <eMaX_> re
[05:11] <RealisticDragon> haha thats awesome _kuja_
[05:11] <snama> doesnt katapult have to buffer the harddriver or something?
[05:11] <Jucato> Katapult can launch programs in K Menu, search for docs in your home directory, launch/run Amarok playlists, etc
[05:11] <snama> like indexing
[05:12] <Jucato> snama: not really. it just uses the information that's already available, like the K Menu (.desktop files), Amarok playlists, etc
[05:12] <snama> k
[05:12] <snama> nice
[05:12] <Jucato> oh, it also does bookmarks
[05:12] <snama> very nice
[05:13] <snama> what web browser are you using guys?
[05:13] <RealisticDragon> firefox and konqueror :)
[05:13] <RealisticDragon> mostly firefox
[05:13] <snama> opera is great but now i use Konqueror
[05:13] <snama> Firefox boots so damn slow on my pc
[05:13] <snama> konqueror is instant
[05:13] <rich__> hi i am having a poblem
[05:13] <_kuja_> I have opera skiinned to look just like konqueror (for the most part) .... I get the two confused sometimes!
[05:14] <Jucato> snama: you could try swiftfox
[05:14] <RealisticDragon> whats up rich__?
[05:14] <snama> k
[05:14] <Jucato> _kuja_: how can you get confused with the toolbars? :P
[05:14] <Jucato> going afk...
[05:14] <RealisticDragon> too many firefox extensions i dont want to give up :)
[05:14] <rich__> my pc wont bownload things off the internet
[05:14] <_kuja_> I know that's different, but the colors, icons, everything else is the same .....
[05:15] <rich__> my pc wont bownload things off the internet
[05:15] <shenmue> RealisticDragon: me too
[05:15] <_kuja_> Or as close as I can get it.
[05:15] <snama> man i like the way linux communities work man... its so friendly and free
[05:15] <RealisticDragon> rich__: the same pc you are using now?
[05:15] <rich__> yes\
[05:15] <RealisticDragon> so, the internet works, just some bugs ;) which program are you using to download?
[05:16] <rich__> firefox
[05:16] <rich__> ???
[05:16] <shenmue> Jucato: some ff extensions are really helpful
[05:16] <RealisticDragon> can you see web pages with it? its just downloading files that breaks?
[05:16] <VSpike> !arts
[05:16] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[05:16] <rich__> yes how did u no???
[05:17] <snama> man i bet KDE4 will rock
[05:17] <rich__> yes how did u no???
[05:17] <RealisticDragon> just working through the list of things that might be wrong :)
[05:17] <snama> i wish it could be faster than 3 too
[05:17] <RealisticDragon> what happens when you go to toold>downloads? (firefox menus)
[05:17] <snama> you open up the downloads window
[05:17] <BluesKaj> how do i give myself permission to copy files from ext3 to my NTFS partition ...I have samba working and i can copy file from NTFS to kubuntu , but not the reverse . I don't want to have to boot into windows.
[05:17] <snama> if you want to configure you go to preferences
[05:18] <RealisticDragon> talking rich though a problem snama ;)
[05:18] <snama> k
[05:18] <snama> lol
[05:18] <RealisticDragon> does the download window show up when you do that rich__? :o
[05:18] <llutz> BluesKaj: you don't want to write to ntfs from linux,( maybe with ntf-3g)...
[05:19] <vado> Hi
[05:19] <RealisticDragon> !captive
[05:19] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[05:19] <snama> hey vado
[05:19] <snama> having a nice day?
[05:19] <_kuja_> speaking of arts and kde4 ... no more arts, yay!
[05:19] <BluesKaj> llutz, ntf-3g ? what's that ?
[05:19] <llutz> BluesKaj: new driver for ntfs
[05:19] <snama> when is KDE 4 coming?
[05:19] <_kuja_> in a long time
[05:20] <rich__> yes it does
[05:20] <rich__> its working
[05:20] <snama> :( but i bet it will be good made
[05:20] <llutz> BluesKaj: ntfs-3g, sry
[05:20] <rich__> its working
[05:20] <rich__> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:20] <RealisticDragon> great rich__, all set now? :)
[05:20] <rich__> i think
[05:20] <BluesKaj> llutz, , I just need permission to copy files
[05:20] <snama> another satisfied soul
[05:20] <snama> its good and friendly here
[05:21] <snama> windows sucks
[05:21] <_kuja_> The phrase "Windows sucks" has such a nice ring to it
[05:22] <BluesKaj> windows is a fact of life , I have to learn to live with it
[05:22] <RealisticDragon> well, windows isnt the whole problem :) its all the software that sucks AND requires windows thats the problem... the telmex DSL install frexample that took me 2 1/2 hours this morning :P https://www.revis.co.uk/site/?q=node/125
[05:22] <snama> microsoft is critisized for having too many "Windows applications" in Vista. not letting the competion in. believe it or not but microsoft has its own Anti-Virus for Vista haha
[05:22] <BluesKaj> all this windows bashing isn't helping me
[05:22] <_kuja_> RealisticDragon: don't limit it to software, don't forget about the hardware ...
[05:22] <fannagoganna_> well i don't like MS because it's just not a very powerful OS
[05:22] <llutz> win-bashing helps nobody
[05:23] <_kuja_> No, but it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> llutz, ;)
[05:23] <snama> you cant do nothing in the NT or DOS command-line
[05:23] <fannagoganna_> with Linux, i can just pop out a program with a GUI when I need one
[05:23] <RealisticDragon> i havent tried the new windows shell yet
[05:23] <RealisticDragon> its supposed to be half decent
[05:23] <snama> hey btw will Swiftfox interfere with Firefox?
[05:23] <fannagoganna_> plus, any UNIX shell command is much much much better than cmd :)
[05:24] <fannagoganna_> I mean UNIX shell, sorry
[05:24] <_kuja_> cygwin? :D
[05:24] <llutz> if you miss something, use cygwin or gnu-utils, bash/zsh are available, so what? :)
[05:24] <fannagoganna_> eh, cygwin is pretty cumbersome. Although it's better than Windows, it's not as good as Linux
[05:24] <snama> has any1 tried tremolous?
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > Could not open the file /home/rich/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin.
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > Select a character coding from the menu and try again.
[05:25] <rich__> help
[05:25] <rich__> > gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.
[05:25] <rich__> > Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
[05:25] <rich__> > Select a character coding from the menu and try again.
[05:25] <_kuja_> try kate?
[05:25] <RealisticDragon> no
[05:25] <fannagoganna_> did you try chmod +x  /home/rich/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin?
[05:25] <RealisticDragon> its google earth
[05:25] <rich__> help
[05:25] <RealisticDragon> what fannagoganna_ said ;)
[05:25] <rich__> help
[05:25] <snama> what are you trying to do?
[05:25] <snama> rich
[05:26] <RealisticDragon> open up a konsole (alt-f2)
[05:26] <RealisticDragon> then type konsole
[05:26] <Dr_willis> rich__,  Learn some linux basics gesh.. and quit acting like an idiot on IRC.
[05:26] <dreamer> heya
[05:26] <rich__> i tryed 2 download it
[05:26] <_kuja_> why do such a combersome thing when we have katapult, RD?
[05:26] <cebices4> sorry the lights went out in here and i missed all the aswers... could you please repeat
[05:26] <Dr_willis> rich__,  you need to 'run' the thing - its an executable.. not a text file.. dont just 'double click' on it.
[05:26] <dreamer> where can I do that ?
[05:26] <snama> you need to go to the file properties of GoogleEarthLinux.bin and make it executable and then open konsole in that directory and launch
[05:27] <fannagoganna_> hey now, this channel is for newbies
[05:27] <fannagoganna_> no need for abuse
[05:27] <rich__> thanks
[05:27] <RealisticDragon> the command you need rich is 'chmod u+x google*.bin && ./google*.bin'
[05:27] <D4rkW1zz4rd> hello
[05:27] <RealisticDragon> the first one marks the file as being good to run and the second runs it
[05:27] <D4rkW1zz4rd> I need some help
[05:27] <D4rkW1zz4rd> how to configure PPPOE ?
[05:27] <_kuja_> that happens a lot in support channels d4rk
[05:27] <Dr_willis> just dont shout  help, help, help, and flood the channel in the future.. :)
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> it just gives me access denied authentification failed
[05:28] <RealisticDragon> D4rkW1zz4rd: USB ASDL modem?
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> no modem
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> at all
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> direct connection
[05:28] <llutz> dreamer: in firefox prefs.js/user.js , "network.protocol-handler.app.mailto" = "firefox", "network.protocol-handler.external.mailto" ="true"
[05:28] <Dr_willis> !googleearth
[05:28] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html
[05:28] <RealisticDragon> best place to look might be the ubuntu wiki D4rkW1zz4rd, afraid i havent had to play with ppoe
[05:29] <dreamer> llutz: where exactly do I find this to edit ?
[05:29] <rich__> thanks everyone
[05:29] <llutz> dreamer: ~/.mozilla ; http://mozdev.org/pipermail/discuss/2004-April/000068.html
[05:29] <_kuja_> hmm, apt-cache shows a  couple pertinent programs: pppoe and pppoeconf
[05:29] <rich__> thanks everyone
[05:29] <snama> np
[05:29] <rich__> bye
[05:29] <dreamer> llutz: thnx, I'll check
[05:30] <rich__> bye
[05:30] <snama> bye man have a nice day
[05:30] <rich__> u 2
[05:30] <rich__> marry xmas
[05:30] <snama> same to you
[05:31] <rich__> have a good day
[05:31] <Dr_willis> now HOW did i install google earth from the package manager....
[05:31] <Dr_willis> its in some alternative repos i guess...
[05:31] <Dr_willis> I rember doing it just last week. :)
[05:33] <snama> hey does any1 know any very big difference between Feisty Herd and Edgy Eft?
[05:34] <RealisticDragon> beryl might be inegrated into feisty
[05:34] <snama> nice
[05:34] <RealisticDragon> im not sure about this name :( i was hoping for fantabulous flatfish ;)
[05:34] <snama> lol
[05:34] <Dr_willis> I think the whole Cute Animal Name scheme is getting rather sad....
[05:35] <snama> hey btw any1 here wants that Valve ports Steam and all of the big Steam games to Linux, BSD and Mac?
[05:35] <RealisticDragon> not me
[05:35] <snama> would be nice
[05:35] <RealisticDragon> not a fan of steam