[00:21] <sugaryeti> Good evening, Xubuntu IRC
[00:24] <sugaryeti> I'm having problems installing Xubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 5000e. It loads off cd and I get to the desktop. When I double-click on the "Install" icon, the entire computer freezes (desktop, mouse, jumping over to a console, etc...)
[00:32] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: try passing noapic and noacpi as a boot parameter .... which i think is done by default in the "safe graphics mode", see if that helps
[00:33] <sugaryeti> I have been going through the "safe graphics mode" install mode, one moment, I have the computer next to me
[00:33] <sugaryeti> thanks for responding, maxamillion!
[00:34] <sugaryeti> boot options: orceevesa initrd=/casper/initrd.gz quiet splash --
[00:35] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: yeah, at the end of that add "noapic noapci" (without the quotes)
[00:35] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: anytime :) ... we are a smaller channel, but when people are around we are willing to help :D
[00:36] <sugaryeti> should i leave the "--" after "quiet splash"?
[00:36] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: i don't think it shoudl matter, but i would delete it just to be safe
[00:36] <sugaryeti> a little more chill compared to the #ubuntu channel, which is nice
[00:36] <maxamillion> should*
[00:36] <maxamillion> yeah, #ubuntu is chaotic
[00:37] <sugaryeti> alright, here we go!
[00:37]  * maxamillion crosses his fingers
[00:37] <sugaryeti> the desktop looks beautiful, i wish I could see more of it before it crashes!
[00:38] <sugaryeti> Ugh, I racking up geek points: chatting on IRC while installing IRC while one laptop is being held up on a copy of "Dune" as I watch "MST3K"
[00:38] <sugaryeti> *installing Linux, IRC's already here :-)
[00:38] <maxamillion> ;)
[00:39] <sugaryeti> still loading, this laptop I think was dug up from Pompei
[00:39] <sugaryeti> old Inspiron 500e with a PIII and 128meg ram and probably a solid 8 years on continuous use
[00:40] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: if that doesn't work you will probably need to download and use the alternate installation image because it sounds like what is happening is that X11 is crashing and when that happens sometimes it won't accept keyboard input
[00:40] <sugaryeti> i was wondering about that
[00:40] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: oh ... 128mb of ram? ... i think you will need the alternate installation image, i *think* (not sure, but i think) that the graphicall installer requires 192mb of ram
[00:41] <sugaryeti> I've installed Ubuntu that method, my worry is that this laptop does not have a nic and I've been trying to find out if the PCICard NIC works under Linux
[00:41] <sugaryeti> You're probably right, I was hoping that 128 would suffice and just be a bit (really) slow
[00:41] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: a lot of them do, i have an old laptop that uses a dlink pcmcia nic and it worked without any extra drivers
[00:41] <maxamillion> sugaryeti: ah
[00:41] <maxamillion> well i'm very sorry but i have to go
[00:41] <sugaryeti> very cool, good to read
[00:41] <sugaryeti> NO!
[00:41] <maxamillion> i will be back later though, good luck!!!
[00:42] <maxamillion> :(
[00:42] <sugaryeti> Here goes the install...
[00:43] <sugaryeti> *groan* death :-(
[00:52] <gaurdro> does anyone know of a good place to find out what model my laptop's monitor is?
[01:17] <The-Kernel> gaurdro who made your laptop?
[01:49] <gaurdro> gateway.
[03:13] <pc-illiterate> good evening everyone
[03:14] <gaurdro> howdy
[03:14] <pc-illiterate> hows we all doing ?
[03:15] <gaurdro> not bad.
[03:15] <gaurdro> and yourself?
[03:15] <pc-illiterate> im doing good. glad to hear you are too
[03:16] <pc-illiterate> wheres the-kernel at ? he out n about getting drunk in his canyon ? riding donkeys ?
[03:17] <gaurdro> I dunno,  he was here earlier,  but apparently left before i replied to his question.
[03:17] <pc-illiterate> he had a question ?
[03:18] <pc-illiterate> thats funny
[03:18] <pc-illiterate> he tried helping me and it didnt work
[03:19] <gaurdro> it was a question for clarification on a question i had asked.
[03:19] <pc-illiterate> oh
[03:19] <pc-illiterate> he usually leaves and takes his name with him
[03:26] <gaurdro> hmm
[03:28] <pc-illiterate> if you read this kernel, talk to me darn it
[03:32] <Haden> in xfce, after adding a few things to one of my panels, everything is aligned to the left (i.e. the lock/shut down button is too far to the left, when I want it all the way to the right edge of the screen)... is there a way to seperate things I want aligned to the right and the applications button/program launchers aligned to the left?
[03:33] <pc-illiterate> did you try the desktop settings ?
[03:33] <pc-illiterate> dumb question but i thought id give it a shot
[03:34] <Haden> Yea I looked through panel settings and desktop settings and a few others that I thought may contain such an option, to no avail
[03:35] <Haden> I know on a fresh install the logout button is all the way to the right, so there has to be some way to do it
[03:36] <Haden> right now I'm just continually adjusting the size of my verve command line to make things look good, but that's kind of tedious O_o
[03:36] <pc-illiterate> well ive been playing with this for a few days and im more confused now than when i first installed. like i didnt do anything the first time and i reinstalled again to fix whatever i screwed up and it isnt the same. i didnt change anything the first time but its different now
[03:37] <Haden> oh snap, I figured it out actually
[03:38] <Haden> if you add a seperator it has a standalone option called "expand", which pushes things out to the edges
[03:38] <Haden> nifty
[03:39] <pc-illiterate> wow. grats. now if my problems was so easy to fix
[03:40] <gaurdro> what's your problem pc-illiterate?
[03:40] <Haden> oy, I'm certainly not qualified in any respect
[03:41] <pc-illiterate> omfg. first you said oy. my girl says that. second, im still trying to get my ancient gfx card to work
[03:41] <gaurdro> how ancient?
[03:42] <pc-illiterate> geforce4 mx440se
[03:42] <pc-illiterate> its like what....6 ?
[03:43] <pc-illiterate> sorry im trying to talk to 5 people and fix dinner
[03:44] <gaurdro> no worries.  I used to have that card.  I never got it to work right so i'm prolly not much help.
[03:45] <HACKhalo2> got the newest drivers for it?
[03:48] <pc-illiterate> newest drivers ? i went to nividia site and dl them once. dont know what to do after i have them
[03:49] <HACKhalo2> is it in .exe?
[03:50] <pc-illiterate> .run
[03:50] <pc-illiterate> actually, its ....
[03:50] <HACKhalo2> .run?
[03:50] <pc-illiterate> nvidia-linux-x86-96.43.05-pkg1.run
[03:51] <HACKhalo2> did you open terminal and cd to the directory?
[03:51] <pc-illiterate> huh ?
[03:51] <HACKhalo2> open the folder that has the drivers you mentioned
[03:52] <pc-illiterate> it goes straight to desktop
[03:52] <HACKhalo2> ok
[03:52] <pc-illiterate> i had to reinstall xubuntu today
[03:52] <HACKhalo2> right-click on the desktop and click 'open terminal here'
[03:52] <pc-illiterate> someone thought i could reconfig ...boy were they foolin themselves
[03:52] <pc-illiterate> ok
[03:53] <HACKhalo2> and try this command: ./nvidia-linux-x86-96.43.05-pkg1.run
[03:53] <pc-illiterate> no sh ?
[03:54] <pc-illiterate> and put the    ./ there ?
[03:54] <HACKhalo2> yes
[03:54] <pc-illiterate> ok. but no sh... got ya
[03:55] <pc-illiterate> anything else ? i have to pull my card to boot into xubuntu. if i dont i get a black screen
[03:55] <keb> you might have to "sudo -s"  first
[03:55] <HACKhalo2> well, i try to not sudo first
[03:55] <HACKhalo2> sudo is last ditch
[03:55] <keb> ok
[03:55] <HACKhalo2> and if i want to install something for Firefox
[04:00] <pc-illiterate> i want to show you something first. can you go to links i post in here ?
[04:00] <HACKhalo2> sure, im on winderz atm
[04:02] <pc-illiterate> ok .. gimmeee a sec
[04:03] <jwicki> evening all
[04:03] <jwicki> is anybody familiar with setting up slimserver in xubuntu?
[04:03] <pc-illiterate> this is what nvidia.com says
[04:03] <pc-illiterate> ype "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.05-pkg1.run" to install the driver
[04:05] <jwicki> anybody there?
[04:06] <HACKhalo2> then type that
[04:06] <HACKhalo2> if you get access denied, then type sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.05-pkg1.run to run it
[04:08] <pc-illiterate> alrighty then
[04:08] <pc-illiterate>  i wanted to show you something else but i cant find it again
[04:09] <HACKhalo2> it's ok
[04:09] <Awakeatnight> halo - you ever setup slimserver?
[04:09] <HACKhalo2> nope
[04:10] <Awakeatnight> specifically - I install the package fine - can run it on local host even after changing IP - make sure the service is running but when doing a netstat -a | grep port the port isn't opening
[04:10] <Awakeatnight> it's not listed at all
[04:10] <Awakeatnight> I tried installing firestarter and opening the port I wanted and it still didn't open
[04:11] <HACKhalo2> this is on the server itself or on the computer accessing the server?
[04:11] <Awakeatnight> it's on the server
[04:11] <Awakeatnight> you know - with netstat -a  I should see any open or listening connections
[04:12] <HACKhalo2> true
[04:12] <Awakeatnight> I know the ip is good because I can ssh over to it but I just can't get this one port to open or listen
[04:13] <Awakeatnight> I read somewhere something weird about xubuntu and/or ubuntu and port security
[04:14] <keb> Awakeatnight : depends what firewall software you are running
[04:15] <keb> er, nvm
[04:15]  * keb scrolls up
[04:15] <Awakeatnight> hehe
[04:15] <Awakeatnight> let me explain this software a bit so you can understand what I need to do
[04:15] <keb> Awakeatnight did you start sshd ? it won't show in netstat if nothing is listening there
[04:15] <Awakeatnight> it's basically a remote mp3 streaming radio station
[04:16] <Awakeatnight> I'm ssh'd into the box now
[04:16] <Awakeatnight> this program runs a webservice on the server machine (xubuntu) and you should be able to connect to it via http over the internet
[04:16] <Awakeatnight> if the ports open
[04:17] <Awakeatnight> I can connect to it from http://localhost:port
[04:17] <Awakeatnight> but even when opening the port on firestarter and my router I cannot get to it from a remote machine
[04:17] <Awakeatnight> but I can ssh and smb to the same IP from the remote machine
[04:17] <keb> maybe the webserver config isnt set to allow remote ip addresses access
[04:17] <Awakeatnight> yar I checked that
[04:18] <Awakeatnight> it's weird though because the xubuntu install puts stuff in totally different places than a ubuntu or deb install
[04:18] <keb> do you have a /etc/hosts.deny file setup?
[04:18] <Awakeatnight> I do
[04:18] <Awakeatnight> good thinking
[04:20] <Awakeatnight> it's default - I was thinking denyhosts
[04:20] <Awakeatnight> for ssh
[04:21] <keb> what says  iptables -L -v
[04:22] <Awakeatnight> echoing
[04:22] <keb> i could never get firestarter to fully do what i wanted
[04:22] <Awakeatnight> yeah it's not very robust
[04:22] <Awakeatnight> seemed VERY generic
[04:23] <Awakeatnight> network security is only as strong as a password most of the times anyways :*(
[04:23] <Awakeatnight> it's in iptables
[04:24] <Awakeatnight> listed as accept both anywhere destination
[04:25] <keb> are you sure that you forwarded the port on your router?
[04:25] <Awakeatnight> if local host is using the port for http it's gotta be in iptables
[04:25] <Awakeatnight> yeah - maybe I need to add a small range
[04:37] <Beardy_> can someone explain to me, briefly, how to install an xfce theme from xfce-look.org in xubuntu 7.10?
[04:38] <vidd> here is a simple howto
[04:39] <vidd> just change Vista to the theme you want
[04:39] <vidd> Beardy_, did that help?
[04:40] <witepa> Hi, I am trying to install Xubuntu 7.10 onto a PowerBook G3 that has a broken CD Drive... I figure the best way to do this is through target disk mode. However, when I launch from the boot cd, the PowerBook's hard drive does not show up (Target Disk Mode essentially makes the target computer act like an external firewire drive). What should I do to make this work?
[04:40] <Beardy_> not really
[04:40] <vidd> Beardy_, sudo cp /path/to/YourTheme /usr/share/themes
[04:40] <vidd> done
[04:41] <Beardy_> gotcha. and presumably it'll then just show up in ui settings as one of the options?
[04:41] <vidd> yep
[04:41] <Beardy_> nice one. thankyou.
[04:41] <vidd> mind you i never did this
[04:42] <vidd> im not a "themes" kind of person
[04:42]  * vidd uses whatever shows up
[04:42] <vidd> witepa, sorry...id like to help, but i have no ideas =\
[04:43] <witepa> damn, no idea how to mount an external firewire drive during installation?
[04:43] <vidd> witepa, but why not use the mini.iso on a usb drive and boot from usb?
[04:44] <witepa> vidd: I have considered trying that... but for some reason I am doubtful of a mac's ability to boot from a flash drive
[04:44]  * vidd is doubtful of a mount firewire during install
[04:44] <witepa> vidd: in oder to try that, do I just have to copy the files that are on the cd to the flash drive?
[04:45] <vidd> you would need to "burn" the image onto the usb just as if the usb was a cd
[04:45] <witepa> would it be bootable off the get go?
[04:45] <vidd> should be....
[04:46] <vidd> there is a howto somewhere about making a usb boot install disk
[04:46] <witepa> so if I were to merely copy the files, it will work
[04:46] <witepa> I did find a howto... and it included SYSLINUX or something to make it bootable
[04:46] <vidd> no...the ISO is disk image....
[04:47] <witepa> the files that have already been burned onto a cd I am referring to
[04:47] <vidd> oh! yeah...i would imagine
[04:48] <vidd> now...how is your cd broken?
[04:48] <witepa> Well, it has been broken for a few years... it is an old laptop... I believe the lens is broken, but I am not entirely sure
[04:49] <vidd> do you by chance have a firewire cd drive?
[04:49] <witepa> unfortunately not
[04:49] <witepa> I am going over to a friend's tomorrow to try that option
[04:49] <Beardy_> sounds like that'd be your best option
[04:49] <witepa> yeah
[04:50] <vidd> you could also do the "no cd" install option (install from hard drive)
[04:50] <Beardy_> btw thanks again vidd, got a sexy new theme now :)
[04:50] <witepa> hmm
[04:50] <vidd> its ALOT harder then the "boot from usb"
[04:50] <witepa> yeah, I figure
[04:51] <vidd> plus its a pain to reclaim that HD space
[04:51] <witepa> actually
[04:51] <witepa> I have over 200 gigs free
[04:51] <witepa> lol
[04:51] <witepa> well
[04:51] <witepa> HD space on which computer
[04:51] <witepa> the target or the installer
[04:51] <vidd> so? you want to waste almot a gig for nothing?
[04:52] <witepa> damn, the powerbook didn't recognize the USB as bootable
[04:52] <vidd> did you make the usb bootable?
[04:52] <witepa> no... I found the guide for it though
[04:53] <witepa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[04:53] <witepa> only problem is...
[04:53] <witepa> I am running a mac right now, and do not have access to a linux or decent windows
[04:53] <witepa> and I need to make it bootable with SYSLINUX
[04:54] <vidd> get yourself DamnSmallLinux desktop edition.....
[04:54] <vidd> it boots ONTOP of your current OS
[04:54] <witepa> alright
[04:54] <vidd> like a program
[04:55] <vidd> you boot into osx, click the icon for DSL and you have linux running ontop of osx
[04:55] <witepa> cool
[04:55] <witepa> easy to set up?
[04:55] <vidd> yeah
[04:56] <vidd> this way you can get your syslinux and make your usbstick
[04:56] <witepa> yeah
[04:56] <The-Kernel> I'm here
[04:56] <witepa> will dsl have easy access to my usb drive?
[04:56] <vidd> *wave* The-Kernel
[04:56] <vidd> yeah...dont see why not
[04:57] <witepa> k
[04:57] <The-Kernel> should
[04:57] <witepa> hmm, where do I find the desktop edition?
[04:57] <witepa> and for mac
[04:57] <The-Kernel> if it can see the networking card, it'll work
[05:00] <vidd> witepa, ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-3.x/dsl-3.4.11-embedded.zip
[05:00] <witepa> sweet, thanks
[05:03] <witepa> now, is it possible to run this on a mac?
[05:03] <vidd> should
[05:03] <witepa> hmm
[05:03] <witepa> I don't see how to run it...
[05:03] <witepa> and there is nothing in the readme about macs
[05:04] <vidd> hrm....
[05:07] <witepa> well
[05:08] <vidd> osx runs on top of bsd...you sure you dont already have syslinux?
[05:08] <witepa> hmm
[05:08] <witepa> when I try to run syslinux in the terminal the command is not found
[05:08] <witepa> I am pretty sure you have to download syslinux
[05:08] <witepa> Install syslinux:
[05:08] <witepa> sudo aptitude install syslinux
[05:09] <witepa> on mac, I can say "sudo port install syslinux" but it cannot find syslinux in the repository
[05:10] <vidd> i have another solutiuon!
[05:10] <vidd> run qemu on osx....
[05:11] <witepa> part of DSL?
[05:12] <vidd> http://qemu.darwinports.com/
[05:12] <witepa> ooh, sudo port install qemu worked
[05:12] <witepa> yeah, basically did that step
[05:12] <vidd> great...you have 95% of the battle done
[05:13] <vidd> now just throw dsl on it and use it to make your usb stick work!
[05:14] <witepa> hmm
[05:14] <vidd> issues?
[05:14] <vidd> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/
[05:14] <witepa> yeah
[05:14] <witepa> slight issue
[05:14] <witepa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59789/
[05:15] <witepa> I have no idea what gcc is...
[05:16] <vidd> so run it with --disable-gcc-check
[05:17] <vidd> what did you type to get that result?
[05:17] <witepa> sudo port install qemu
[05:17] <witepa> after downloading macports from macports.org
[05:18] <witepa> so how do I run it with --disable-gcc-check?
[05:18] <vidd> so then sudo port install qemu --disable-gcc-check
[05:18] <witepa> ah
[05:21] <witepa> hmm, it gave me the same error by typing in "sudo port install qemu --disable-gcc-check"
[05:22] <witepa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59790/
[05:26] <vidd> then im out of ideas
[05:26] <witepa> hmm, I found an alternate GUI qemu to use
[05:26] <vidd> then try that
[05:26] <witepa> yeah
[05:33] <witepa> do you, by any chance, know what syslinux does exactly?
[05:34] <vidd> it is the bootloader that makes your machine load the media
[05:34] <witepa> yeah
[05:34] <witepa> but what does it do to the drive
[05:35] <vidd> makes it bootable
[05:35] <witepa> how so?
[05:35] <vidd> by putting a boot-loader on it
[05:35] <witepa> oh
[05:35] <witepa> so would it be possible to put that boot loader on it without syslinux?
[05:35] <vidd> syslinux IS the bootloader
[05:36] <witepa> oh
[05:36] <witepa> hmm
[05:37] <witepa> what I am getting at... is it possible to merely have one person from linux or windows to prepare a drive using syslinux and send the exact contents of that drive to me?
[05:38] <vidd> no...you need syslinux to make a bootable syslinux on the media you are going to use
[05:38] <witepa> oh
[05:38] <vidd> if you just copy it to the usb, it wont be bootable
[05:38] <witepa> yeah
[05:40] <witepa> hmm
[05:40] <witepa> could I do all of this from an xubuntu live cd?
[05:41] <vidd> i dont see why not
[05:43] <witepa> lol, I am printing out the usb instructions
[05:44] <witepa> since I doubt that my internet will be configured correctly from the live cd
[05:48] <witepa> alright, I am off to reboot into Xubuntu
[05:48] <witepa> thank you very much for help, I wish there were more people like you vidd...
[05:48] <witepa> I may be back... so thanks!
[05:49] <pc-illiterate> can ya give me a hand also with understanding something vidd ?
[05:49] <vidd> sure
[05:49] <vidd> ill try anyway
[05:51] <zoredache> has anyone else had firefox crash a lot lately?
[05:51] <pc-illiterate> ok. my vid card. geforce mx44ose. the supported products page at nvidia.  http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html
[05:51] <zoredache> every since I applied some updates a few days back firefox seems to crash every 10-15 minutes...
[05:52] <pc-illiterate> it isnt listed as supported but this driver is what it tells me to dl
[05:53] <vidd> ok
[05:53] <pc-illiterate> ive had firefox open for at least an hour and a half. no crash
[05:55] <vidd> pc-illiterate, so what is your question?
[05:55] <pc-illiterate> i also read that ...what the hell was it... something wasnt supporting the drivers anymore but it was all legacy that was... i think it was ubuntu
[05:56] <vidd> if you cant get supported drivers of the nvidia site, use the nvidia drive built into xorg
[05:56] <pc-illiterate> will this driver do me no good or any ideas what im supposed to do. i have to pull my gfx card from my pci everytime i want to switch from xp to xubuntu
[05:56] <zoredache> hrm... :|
[05:56] <pc-illiterate> nvidia driver ? and that would be ?
[05:57] <pc-illiterate> i installed 1 set before. i had to reinstall xubuntu because i had no display
[05:57] <vidd> was the card installed at the time you installed?
[05:57] <pc-illiterate> i cant
[05:57] <pc-illiterate> i get a black screen
[05:57] <pc-illiterate>  xubuntu doesnt like my vid card
[05:58] <pc-illiterate> i get everything up to the before the login screen
[05:58] <vidd> oh yeah....i remember....
[05:59] <pc-illiterate> i hit ctrl+alt+f3 then ctrl+alt+f8 and watch everything roll right by like clock work. when it hits login.... my screen flips to a black screen
[05:59] <vidd> did you ever get any error message or boot message?
[05:59] <vidd> what was the last thing you saw befor black?
[05:59] <pc-illiterate> no. my card isnt supported by xubuntu default install
[05:59] <pc-illiterate> the progress bar from loading
[06:00] <pc-illiterate> let me try to find the page again... its here somewhere i just have to find it
[06:00] <vidd> ctl+alt+F8 should show you the stuff that progress bar is doing
[06:01] <pc-illiterate> yes. and i make it to the login....poof, black screen.
[06:01] <vidd> but you need to be on a tty first
[06:01] <vidd> so what is the last thing it says?
[06:01] <pc-illiterate> i watch the login roll right up, when it gets there the screen goes black
[06:01] <pc-illiterate> login
[06:01] <pc-illiterate> lol. arent you paying attention ?
[06:02] <pc-illiterate> i never make it to the login screen. when it gets to that point it goes black. it flips to a black screen
[06:02] <vidd> yes...and you have yet to tell me the last line of text displayed before the login screen crashes your system
[06:02] <pc-illiterate> what comes after login when you hit alt+ctrl+f8 ?
[06:03] <vidd> the login screen....
[06:03] <vidd> what is the last line you see on the F8 screen?
[06:03] <vidd> "laoding default drivers"?
[06:04] <vidd> "loading network drivers"?
[06:04] <pc-illiterate> there ya go. i dont see the login screen. i watch it say login. do you know how fast it rolls past ? i didnt even know thats what it said til i watched it with the onboard graphics
[06:04] <vidd> well...it practically crawls on my system =\
[06:05] <pc-illiterate> wow. you must be running an old pong console
[06:05] <pc-illiterate> im on an intel celeron 1ghz. 256 ram
[06:06] <vidd> hrm...im on a 2.64 ghz intel 64 with 1gig ram =\
[06:06] <pc-illiterate> the only thing this is good for is watching blood fly at 5 fps on UT2k3
[06:07] <pc-illiterate> but seriously, i never make it to the login screen. it will not display it on my card
[06:08] <vidd> i dont know what to tell ya
[06:09] <vidd> my cards always just work
[06:09] <pc-illiterate> well im going to find it on the site. it said something about legacy support but i dont remember what else
[06:10] <vidd> have you tried booting into recovery mode and doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:11] <vidd> and when the screen goes black, can you get to ctrl+alt+F1?
[06:11] <pc-illiterate> yes. that cause me to reinstall xubuntu last night. i knew i had no idea what i was doing. it wouldnt even recognize my installed card
[06:12] <pc-illiterate> when the screen goes black my option is rebootctrl+alt+del or watch a black screen
[06:12] <pc-illiterate> dpkg.....it only saw my intel onboard.
[06:14] <vidd> this issue is beyond me....i dont like to use add-in display cards...they dont play well without some bios-tweeking
[06:15] <pc-illiterate> if you would be so kind as tell me how to remove grub from my master hdd, i'll just reformat my slave and forget about linux again. i have yet to do something besides use pidgin
[06:15] <vidd> and i dont like messing around with bios settings
[06:15] <pc-illiterate> i have no bios settings. buy an emachine p.o.s.
[06:16] <vidd> throw in your windows disk, get a command prompt and type fixmbr
[06:16] <vidd> or is it mbrfix?
[06:16] <pc-illiterate> mbrfix
[06:16] <vidd> thats it
[06:17] <pc-illiterate> im just tired of messing with it. i installed tuesday evening and spent the last 5 nights now just trying to get my vid card to work.
[06:17] <pc-illiterate> mbrfix will leave my xp install alone ?
[06:18] <vidd> yeah...it just "fixes" the master boot record
[06:18] <vidd> gives windows back its illusion that its the only thing there
[06:19] <pc-illiterate> i just assumed since i wouldnt have to run 100 processes just to connect to the net i could actually use my broadband to play games
[06:19] <vidd> let me dig up some info about your card, and we can try again....
[06:20] <vidd> btw....does the live cd work with your card installed?
[06:20] <pc-illiterate> well im on nvidia forums but its a huge site
[06:20] <pc-illiterate> live cd wont run. i dont have enough mem or it doesnt like my card either
[06:24] <vidd> mx44ose is the right card?
[06:26] <Dissentor> When I try and install madwifi, does it matter where the madwifi folder is stored?
[06:30] <vidd> pc-illiterate, no wonder i cant find info....your card is a MX440 se
[06:31] <pc-illiterate> yes...mx440se
[06:31] <pc-illiterate> my bad. a typo. i see that now
[06:32] <vidd> alright...give me a bit...ill get ya hooked up right quick
[06:33] <vidd> pc-illiterate, check out this : https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/15821
[06:34] <pc-illiterate> alrighty then. im game.
[06:34] <vidd> or, boot into recovery mode and run  apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:35] <vidd> (recovery mode is a root console)
[06:35] <pc-illiterate> no no no. no more nvidia-glx
[06:36] <vidd> ?
[06:36] <vidd> why not>'
[06:36] <pc-illiterate>  i did that along with nvidia-glx-dev and i got the sharp end
[06:36] <vidd> ?
[06:36] <pc-illiterate> i remeber something about legacy and i will not  do something until i find it
[06:37] <pc-illiterate> i got absolutely nowhere but someone telling me to dpkg-blah blah and i had nothing but intel gfx.
[06:37] <vidd> i can tell you somnething about "legacy" DONT USE PROP{RIETARY WHEN THERE IS PERFECTLY FINE OPEN SOURCE AVAILABLE
[06:38] <pc-illiterate> it will not recognize my card. the page said something about only support from legacy
[06:38] <vidd> the nvidia driver from nvidia's site will NOT work
[06:38] <vidd> yes....lagacy driver = nvidia-glx
[06:39] <vidd> its in the repos
[06:39] <vidd> and its there for a reason...it works....the driver from nvidia's site doesnt
[06:39] <pc-illiterate> i believe you. i have legacy drivers here from my install. im wondering if they will work. my card is not supported by ubuntu because i guess they feel if i dont have to pay for an os i should spend that money on a graphics card
[06:40] <pc-illiterate> no...lemme show you something
[06:40] <vidd> "you shouldn't generally use the nvidia driver provided at the nvidia website, ubuntu provides its own version of the nvidia driver in the repositorys. the problem here is that your card is old enough that the 'new' nvidia drivers do not support it at all"
[06:41] <vidd> not support = does not work
[06:41] <pc-illiterate> yes. and its old enough ubuntu doesnt support it either
[06:41] <pc-illiterate> but
[06:42] <vidd> your kidding right?
[06:42] <pc-illiterate> no im not
[06:42] <vidd> your issue is you have 2 cards....
[06:42] <pc-illiterate> i have it here in my package manager
[06:42] <vidd> one has a driver installed, the other doesnt
[06:43] <vidd> once the driver for the second card is installed, your login screen stops crashing your system
[06:43] <pc-illiterate> and even if the card is installed in my mobo, it is not recognized by the install
[06:43] <vidd> because it is in universe, not main
[06:44] <pc-illiterate> you understand that correct ? if it was supported it would get at least a piece of crap driver to at least get you by right ?
[06:44] <vidd> no...you dont understand...it loaded a driver....for your main card
[06:45] <pc-illiterate> my bios is set for pci
[06:45] <pc-illiterate> i was plugged into my second card, not my onboard
[06:45] <vidd> the second card needs to have the driver installed so that the os recognizes it as the proper card....then you need to configure x to use that driver
[06:46] <pc-illiterate> in package manager... what does the little ubuntu logo mean before the name of a driver ?
[06:46] <vidd> that it is in main
[06:46] <pc-illiterate> i need to configure x ......that will never happen
[06:46] <vidd> your afraid of a wizard?
[06:46] <pc-illiterate> so i wasted time, energy and time of other people who helped me
[06:47] <vidd> heh....if i could ssh into your box with sudo rights, i could have you up and running in like 3 minutes
[06:47] <pc-illiterate> a wizard ? i went thru that on my intel when i thought it was supposed to be a piece of cake the first time around. i had to reinstall . i dont do well with trying to find out what does what how much this that
[06:48] <vidd> then do this,,,,
[06:49] <vidd> set the jumpers on you mobo to completely disable the onboard graphics card, so the xubuntu install wont even see the card
[06:49] <vidd> do a fresh install
[06:50] <vidd> it will load
[06:50] <vidd> or...better yet....run the live cd
[06:50] <vidd> so yoiu dont have to "waste your time" to see that it will install to a graphical desktop
[06:50] <pc-illiterate> now you tell me to figure out what jumpers disable my onboard graphics ?
[06:51] <pc-illiterate> im so glad someone can get as far as they did with you before you got frustrated enough to say that
[06:52] <vidd> crack the case, get the large numbers off the mobo, tell it to me, and ill get you a schematic that shows you where to set the jumper
[06:52] <pc-illiterate> youre a good guy. now imagine how frustrated i am for trying this for 5 days. the last time i tried to reconfig, i screwed it up horribly
[06:52] <vidd> your the one who is frustrated....=]
[06:53] <pc-illiterate> better yet. disconnect my router and set you up with getting in here and doing it because im such a dingbat and youre not
[06:53] <vidd> im not saying that at all
[06:53] <pc-illiterate> no you arent. i did
[06:54] <pc-illiterate> you told me too bad you cant get in
[06:54] <vidd> your not stupid...just not as experienced
[06:54] <pc-illiterate> if i knew what to do with the reconfig, id do this
[06:54] <vidd> can you get on chat with a different pc and i can walk you through it?
[06:55] <pc-illiterate> nope. i borrowed my bros pc but his power supply is junk
[06:55] <pc-illiterate> no phone either. dont ask
[06:56] <vidd> i do enough phone support at work=]
[06:56] <pc-illiterate> let me ask a few questions and i should be ok. im tired and cranky but im not dumb
[06:56] <pc-illiterate> lol. sorry for the phone comment then
[06:56] <vidd> no worries
[06:57] <pc-illiterate> ok so....legacy... i have drivers here that actually say legacy on them.
[06:57] <vidd> drivers where?
[06:58] <pc-illiterate> in package manager
[06:58] <vidd> ?
[06:58] <vidd> synaptic?
[06:58] <pc-illiterate> no ubuntu logo
[06:58] <pc-illiterate> yes there
[06:58] <vidd> well...there ARE 4 different package managers available in *buntu!
[06:59] <pc-illiterate> and i know i saw something about my card only being supported by legacy now
[06:59] <pc-illiterate> sorry but i didnt know that :P
[07:00] <vidd> the one you want is nvidia-glx
[07:00] <pc-illiterate> i did that before dude
[07:00] <pc-illiterate>  i got no where.
[07:00] <vidd> nvidia-glx-legacy
[07:00] <pc-illiterate> thats different
[07:01] <pc-illiterate> mine didnt say legacy when i did them before. kernel tried to help me but it didnt work
[07:01] <pc-illiterate> legacy and legacy-dev ?
[07:02] <vidd> but the discription says that it is for TNT,TNT2, TNT Ultra, GeForce, and GeForce2 chipsets. AGP, TV-out and flat panel displays are also supported
[07:02] <vidd> no....NOT the -dev
[07:02] <vidd> that may have been an issue with the non -legacy
[07:03] <pc-illiterate> ok... what about the legacy kernel source ?
[07:05] <vidd> no
[07:05] <vidd> but you might want to grab nvidia-settings
[07:06] <vidd> actually....
[07:06] <vidd> grab nvidia-xconfig
[07:07] <vidd> looks like that by itself will fix up your driver issue
[07:07] <vidd> but i never ran it, so i cant be 100%
[07:08] <pc-illiterate> i was sitting here reading and figuring if i screwed anything up, i could just reinstall again again. it kills an hour and i havent done anything yet that i cant redo in 2 seconds
[07:09] <vidd> id rather we didnt screw anything up
[07:11] <vidd> so....lets go thru reconfiguring xserver-xorg
[07:11] <pc-illiterate> ok.i have to write this down as we go. im tired
[07:11] <vidd> first screen is "kernel frame buffer" choose "yes"
[07:11] <vidd> "auto detect keyboard" no
[07:13] <vidd> keyboard layout....most ppl use "US" enter your country code (fr=france, etc)
[07:13] <pc-illiterate> or us ;)
[07:13] <vidd> "XKB" xorg
[07:14] <vidd> discription of "xorg" rules options----nothing to do here
[07:14] <vidd> "keyboard model" depends on your keyboard the default should be fine
[07:15] <vidd> "keyboard variant" I leave this blank
[07:15] <vidd> "keyboard option" also blank for me
[07:16] <vidd> "emulate 3 button mouse" yes or no...depends on your mouse
[07:18] <vidd> next should bring you to your display options
[07:18] <pc-illiterate> i think they ran first before but no mat ;)ter
[07:19] <vidd> you want to choose the nvidia driver
[07:20] <vidd> your right...they do run first
[07:21] <pc-illiterate> i remember it asking for mem to use for graphics or something like that. does that mean i can actually tell it more ?
[07:21] <pc-illiterate> and...
[07:21] <vidd> there should already be a "nv" on your list
[07:21] <vidd> choose THAT one
[07:21] <pc-illiterate> my card is 64 meg. does that mean i tell it is a 32 and allow it to use whatever of system mem ?
[07:22] <vidd> i dont enter anything in there
[07:22] <pc-illiterate> ok
[07:25] <pc-illiterate> so i want nv not nvidia from the list ?
[07:25] <vidd> oh...first you want to tell it to NOT auto-detect your harware
[07:25] <pc-illiterate> ok. no auto detect. i told it to before
[07:25] <vidd> yes...use the nv the first time around....
[07:26] <pc-illiterate> ok.
[07:26] <vidd> if that fails, use nvidia
[07:26] <vidd> if that fails, use nvidia-legacy
[07:26] <pc-illiterate> gotya
[07:27] <vidd> the rest is pretty self explanitory....
[07:28] <pc-illiterate> ok. since it doesnt like my graphicis card, i can install it after everything runs right ? or do i install drivers, shut down and install card for the restart ?
[07:28] <vidd> if your card is NOT listed in the "Identifyer" line, juyst accept whats there
[07:28] <vidd> install drivers now....
[07:29] <vidd> shut down
[07:29] <vidd> install card
[07:29] <vidd> boot into recovery mode (root cli
[07:29] <vidd> run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:29] <pc-illiterate> run dpkg
[07:30] <vidd> but let me finish with the instuctions....
[07:30] <pc-illiterate> ok sorry
[07:30] <vidd> once you pick the driver, you want to stay with the defaults....
[07:31] <pc-illiterate> i can reconfig back in here
[07:31] <pc-illiterate> right ?
[07:31] <vidd> untill you get to video modes
[07:32] <vidd> only select the modes you want to display
[07:32] <pc-illiterate> ok.
[07:32] <vidd> for "monitor characteristics...choose "simple"
[07:33] <vidd> and select your monitor size from the list
[07:33] <pc-illiterate> 17" right ?
[07:33] <vidd> choose "yes for "write monitor sync"
[07:33] <vidd> depends on what size monitor you have
[07:34] <vidd> choose you color depth
[07:34] <vidd> and your done
[07:34] <pc-illiterate> cool.
[07:34] <vidd> reboot and cross your fingers
[07:34] <vidd> =]
[07:35] <pc-illiterate> ok. drivers i want are glx-legacy and nvid xconfig or nvid settings ?
[07:35] <vidd> so is it less scary now?
[07:35] <pc-illiterate> yes it is. i got scared when it asked about memory and that stuff.
[07:36] <vidd> nvid xconfig and nvid settings are tools...not drivers
[07:36] <pc-illiterate> oh. so sue me
[07:36] <pc-illiterate> so which tool do i want for now or can i have both ?
[07:36] <vidd> you want nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-legacy
[07:36] <pc-illiterate> both of those i want.. ok
[07:37] <vidd> yes...i think the nv (default) will be fine, but it wont hurt to have those two for backup
[07:38] <pc-illiterate> ok so both of those then. i can only pick glx or glx-legacy. wont let me pick both
[07:38] <vidd> well...i'd wait until you got the card to work before adding tools for it
[07:38] <vidd> right
[07:39] <vidd> ok
[07:39] <vidd> take the glx for now
[07:39] <pc-illiterate> im going for legacy first. im stubborn and cranky
[07:39] <pc-illiterate> the card is about 6 or 7 years old
[07:39] <vidd> i think the legacy is too old for your card
[07:39] <pc-illiterate> its at least 5
[07:40] <vidd> its intended for the 10-12 year old cards
[07:40] <vidd> the FIRST round of nvidia cards
[07:41] <pc-illiterate> oh. ok then. if it doesnt work.. then im shafted or can i get back by pulling the card and doing the intel setup ?
[07:41] <vidd> no...dont pull the card....
[07:42] <pc-illiterate> but i couldnt see anything with the card in before
[07:42] <vidd> reboot into root terminal, apt-get remove --purge [first pick] && apt-get install [second pick]
[07:43] <vidd> but ill bet you dollars to donuts that the nv driver will work from jump street
[07:43] <pc-illiterate> purge nv......install nvidia-glx
[07:44] <vidd> no...the nv is built into the kernel...its not a package
[07:44] <vidd> its either --purge nvidia-glx or -glx-legacy (which ever you chose)
[07:45] <pc-illiterate> ok so purge would be glx and install glx-legacy if all is a no go
[07:45] <pc-illiterate> ok.
[07:45] <vidd> that depends.....
[07:45] <vidd> if the reconfig shows nv AND nvidia, choose nv first....
[07:46] <vidd> if that fails, choose nvidia
[07:46] <pc-illiterate> and it is apt-get --purge nvidia-glx&&install nvidia-glx-legacy
[07:46] <vidd> if THAT fails too, then apt-get --purge nvidia-glx && apt-get install ....yeah
[07:47] <vidd> remeber the spaces though
[07:47] <pc-illiterate> reconfig is where they list every card known correct ?
[07:47] <vidd> yes
[07:47] <pc-illiterate> ok. i got it.
[07:47] <vidd> good luck
[07:48] <pc-illiterate> thank you and i was too dumb to install while we talked...doh
[07:48] <vidd> now i have to go to bed before the old lady puts me out
[07:48] <pc-illiterate> lol. thank you so much. i relly do appreciate your time and help
[07:49] <vidd> anything to rescue a wine-blows user
[07:49] <pc-illiterate> yep. hurray for independence
[07:50] <vidd> heh...i say "one less malware magnet"!
[07:51] <pc-illiterate> viruses and spyware and hackers is why i want out
[07:51] <vidd> good luck and peace-out
[07:58] <Taggard> Hey, I installed xubuntu recently (After uninstalling ubuntu) but now I have no image viewer
[07:58] <Taggard> Can anyone tell me what tp install?
[09:55] <pc-illiterate> ive got a question for someone if they think they can help
[10:17] <gabkdlly> !ask
[10:17] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[10:17] <pc-illiterate> im so glad people do that lol
[10:17] <pc-illiterate>  its more or less to find out if someone is actually awake in here
[10:18] <pc-illiterate> i have 3 pci slots. i have 2 nic cards and 1 gfx card installed. will dpkg-reconfig automatically find the correct slot ?
[10:22] <gabkdlly> I think dpkg-reconfigure only reconfigures individual packages (or a whole list, but you have to list all the packages you want to reconfigure). I would bet that Xubuntu is smart enough though to detect newly attached devices and load the necessary modules automatically
[10:24] <gabkdlly> however, reconfiguring certainly does not hurt, it pretty much does the same thing that was done when you first installed the package
[10:25] <pc-illiterate> i just installed drivers for my vid card.  its an nvidia antique
[10:26] <pc-illiterate> idd walked me through but i have never done this before. in reconfigure my pci comes up as PCI:0:1:0
[10:26] <pc-illiterate> does that mean its detecting the second slot as my gfx card ?
[10:27] <gabkdlly> you can see a bit of info what is detected with lsmod
[10:27] <gabkdlly> sorry, I meant lspci
[10:28] <pc-illiterate> well im stuck back in windows right now. i cant get anything but the terminal in xubuntu and i need help for everything. im newer than fresh baked bread
[10:34] <gabkdlly> so, you just installed an old graphics card, after you already had Xubuntu installed, and there upon your graphical interface (the X-server) stopped working?
[10:34] <gabkdlly> did you try booting a live CD?
[10:35] <pc-illiterate> actually, i installed xubuntu using the old card. it didnt detect it during the install. i had/have to pull the card out and plug into my onboard gfx to see anything besides a terminal
[10:36] <gabkdlly> but it sounds like you really want to get this old card to work ;)
[10:36] <pc-illiterate> this old card is better than 4meg of onboard
[10:37] <gabkdlly> did you search for your graphics card?
[10:37] <pc-illiterate> yep
[10:37] <pc-illiterate>  ive done everything i could think
[10:37] <pc-illiterate> you said search...tell me what exactly you mean
[10:37] <gabkdlly> !hardware
[10:37] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[10:38] <gabkdlly> that is a good place to start
[10:38] <gabkdlly> too see if other people have gotten your card to work
[10:39] <gabkdlly> sometimes you get lucky and someone has written up a friendly how-to
[10:39] <gabkdlly> sometimes people document their experiences in the forums, you might search there as well
[10:39] <gabkdlly> !forum
[10:39] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[10:40] <gabkdlly> google offers a search specific to linux http://www.google.com/linux
[10:41] <pc-illiterate> i saw my card is only supported under legacy drivers now.
[10:42] <gabkdlly> hmm, got a link to where you read that?
[10:42] <pc-illiterate> i tried nv...nividia-glx....nvidia-glx-legacy..... i cant get it to do anything other than show me a terminal
[10:42] <pc-illiterate> and thats quite a tep up from a black screen from install
[10:43] <gabkdlly> wow, you have been at it for a while then, I guess
[10:43] <pc-illiterate> ive been looking for it all night. i found it before the 5 install
[10:43] <pc-illiterate> lol. the 5th install of xubuntu
[10:45] <pc-illiterate> somewhere about nvidia drivers on ubuntu i think
[10:45] <pc-illiterate>  im still checking
[10:46] <gabkdlly> so you ran "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" already, picked each of the drivers you mentioned in turn, and after each reconfigure, you tried starting Xorg again?
[10:47] <pc-illiterate> i rebooted
[10:52] <gabkdlly> you might check what is going on in the logs /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:54] <pc-illiterate> i think it would be just as easy to wait and find someone to tell me what im doing wrong
[10:54] <pc-illiterate>  the logs arent going to do any good if no one can help me figure out the problem will they ?
[10:56] <gabkdlly> yeah, I guess they might be confusing, but they might have some error messages that hint at what is going on
[10:57] <gabkdlly> the video driver usually documents what it does (or what it has tried to do) in that log
[10:57] <gabkdlly> by the way, you can start Xorg manually with startx , without rebooting
[10:58] <gabkdlly> or startxfce4
[10:59] <gabkdlly> what card is it?
[11:00] <pc-illiterate> i tried startx...didnt work. its a gforce4 mx440se
[11:04] <pc-illiterate> i did find this just now. thanks to you .....Most nVidia-cards will work if you just install the nvidia-glx ("nvidia-glx-legacy" for older cards) package, and run this command: "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[11:04] <pc-illiterate> i wonder if id still have to run reconfig first...
[11:09] <gabkdlly> depending on what your Xorg configuration is right now, you might have to reconfigure, yes
[11:10] <gabkdlly> I don't think it matters which order you do them in, running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" basically writes a new /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for you, and I don't think much else
[11:10] <pc-illiterate> imma have to go check this all
[11:11] <pc-illiterate> ok. im going to go try some stuff again
[11:11] <pc-illiterate> thanks again
[15:13] <mikedep333> hello, my one friend is looking to do a complicated install of Xubuntu on his asus eee PC
[15:13] <mikedep333> where does xfce get installed too?
[15:13] <mikedep333> for its libraries and executables?
[15:24] <TheSheep> mikedep333: can you rephrase your question?
[15:24] <TheSheep> mikedep333: my English is not very good
[15:26] <gabkdlly> mikedep333: you can use "dpkg -L xfwm4" or similar to see what files are installed from which packages
[15:27] <gabkdlly> my example shows you where the files for the window manager are installed
[15:28] <MyNameIs> mikedep333, the cd has a partitioner that will want you to make a partition for / - which is where the os is installed and a partition for swap - which is hard disk space used as memory sometimes - there is also an option to let the partitioner automatically format the partitions
[15:31] <mikedep333> I mean
[15:31] <mikedep333> is it under /opt/xfce
[15:31] <mikedep333> is it under /usr/bin and /usr/lib
[15:31] <mikedep333> I did some google searches, I think it is /opt/xfce
[15:32] <mikedep333> I'll go ssh my ubuntu box to see where it goes
[15:32] <gabkdlly> different stuff gets put in different places
[15:33] <mikedep333> yeah
[15:33] <mikedep333> but we just want to know where the main libraries and executables go
[15:33] <slow-motion> hi
[15:33] <mikedep333> hey
[15:33] <mikedep333> *binaries
[15:33] <mikedep333> because here's the deal
[15:33] <mikedep333> his asus eee
[15:33] <mikedep333> only has a 2GB solid state drive
[15:33] <mikedep333> and he has a 8GB SDHC card
[15:33] <mikedep333> we were thinking of putting / on the SSD
[15:34] <mikedep333> swap /home, and /usr on the SDHC
[15:34] <mikedep333> since the SDHC card is slow as hell
[15:35] <mikedep333> and dpkg -L doesn't show where it goes unless you install it
[15:35] <mikedep333> my friend has yet to install it
[15:36] <mikedep333> and my only ubuntu box that is up at the moment is a server so I do not want to install extra packages
[15:37] <TheSheep> mikedep333: binaries go to /usr/bin, libraries to /usr/lib and additional files to /usr/share
[15:37] <TheSheep> mikedep333: configuration goes to /etc
[15:37] <TheSheep> mikedep333: mostly /etc/xdg
[15:38] <mikedep333> ok, thank you
[15:51] <pc-illiterate> dpkg asks for my vid cards pci id . how do i find that ?
[15:52] <gabkdlly> hi again pc-illiterate :) use lspci
[15:54] <pc-illiterate> i did that but i dont think i understand it
[15:55] <pc-illiterate> it gives me 0:01e or something like that. at reconfig it shows 0:1:0
[15:55] <pc-illiterate> if it shows the 0:01e , do i input that for its address ?
[15:58] <gabkdlly> yes
[15:58] <gabkdlly> here is something I dug up just for you www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QsP8GDTpno
[15:59] <gabkdlly> it has some extra stuff that you don't need, because it was made for Mepis, but it might make you more comfortable with the whole thing
[16:01] <pc-illiterate> cool. thanks. i hope youre not trying to scare me
[16:03] <gabkdlly> you can ignore that whole part about the memtest at the beginning
[16:04] <gabkdlly> and don't forget to type sudo before dpkg-reconfig...
[16:04] <gabkdlly> I figured a picture is worth a thousand words ;)
[16:05] <pc-illiterate> lol. i dont login. i dont have to type sudo
[16:06] <gabkdlly> huh ?
[16:06] <pc-illiterate> if im not logged-in i dont have to type sudo
[16:08] <gabkdlly> you are not logged into the command line as the user you created during the install?
[16:08] <The-Kernel> pc-illiterate you have to type sudo.
[16:08] <pc-illiterate> nope
[16:08] <The-Kernel> unless you're root
[16:08] <pc-illiterate> no i dont kernel
[16:08] <pc-illiterate> im auto root when i boot up in recovery
[16:09] <gabkdlly> ah, ok
[16:09] <The-Kernel> Oh well that makes sense
[16:09] <The-Kernel> brb
[16:09] <pc-illiterate> if not auto root, call it what you may. if i dont log in, i dont have to type sudo
[16:09] <pc-illiterate> cool i said something that isnt garbage
[16:09] <gabkdlly> don't have any experience with recovery mode myself
[16:10] <pc-illiterate> i have more with recovery than 8 years of xp experience :))
[16:11] <gabkdlly> are you booting from the live CD?
[16:12] <gabkdlly> seems kind of bizarre to me that gaining root access to a system should be as simple as rebooting into recovery mode
[16:12] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: yeah, on windows you have to also insert a cd with linux :0
[16:12] <pc-illiterate> my pc wont run it, my vid card wasnt recognized and i dont have enough mem. the cd itself told me that
[16:13] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: the truth is, you cannot secure a computer if the users have physical access to it
[16:16] <gabkdlly> I have heard stories of people booby trapping their computers, or encrypting their entire hard drives with a password, but it would be impractical for Xubuntu to make that standard :)
[16:17] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: encryption does work, but then you need password to use it
[16:45] <pc-illiterate> well that wasnt right
[16:46] <gabkdlly> :(
[16:47] <pc-illiterate> wooo. found something on ubuntu forum
[16:47] <gabkdlly> great :)
[16:50] <pc-illiterate> wow. great thread. first poster had same card
[16:51] <pc-illiterate> and guy who tried to help first was no help at all. i have ran into the exact same thing. but, the first "helper" told them to do exactly what they had been doing. so much to understand. so few to know
[16:53] <gabkdlly> the forum does get a lot of traffic, some of what gets said there has to be taken with a grain of salt
[16:54] <pc-illiterate> i understand that but if some people would actually read the post, it would save so much time and headache
[17:12] <pc-illiterate> kernel. can you tell me how to get my pci slot id? please dont say lspci. its the wrong format. i need something like  0:1:0
[17:16] <TheSheep> pc-illiterate: lspci -D
[17:18] <pc-illiterate> -D ?
[17:18] <pc-illiterate> that will give me the correct format ?
[17:18] <TheSheep> pc-illiterate: correct for what?
[17:19]  * TheSheep sighs and reads the scrollback of several hours ago
[17:21] <TheSheep> pc-illiterate: if you need it for xorg.conf, then just replace the dot with a colon
[17:21] <pc-illiterate> you mean from  -D ?
[17:21] <TheSheep> for exmaple, for my xorg.conf entry:
[17:21] <TheSheep>         Busid           "PCI:0:2:0"
[17:21] <TheSheep> lspci (without -D) shows:
[17:21] <The-Kernel> Ah crap
[17:21] <The-Kernel> I can't seem to get into my server.
[17:22] <TheSheep> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller...
[17:22] <pc-illiterate> see i have a letter with mine.
[17:22] <pc-illiterate> so i wanted to be sure. i have been trying to get my gfx card going for 5 days
[17:23]  * pc-illiterate is at least as tired as everyone else
[17:23] <TheSheep> pc-illiterate: just convert it to decimal
[17:24] <TheSheep> btw, if it's the only card, you don't have to specify a busid
[17:24] <pc-illiterate> 2 net cards
[17:24] <TheSheep> the only graphics card
[17:24] <pc-illiterate> yes
[17:25] <TheSheep> then Xorg will find it
[17:25] <pc-illiterate> am i to count onboard as 1 also ?
[17:25] <gabkdlly> TheSheep: pc-illiterate has a built in graphics card, plus one in the pci slot
[17:25] <pc-illiterate> xorg is finding squat but my onboard
[17:26] <gabkdlly> pc-illiterate: both cards should show up in lspci
[17:26] <pc-illiterate> i have a thread for you. both people had same gfx card
[17:26] <pc-illiterate> yes they do gab, but i need a 0:1:0 number not a hex number
[17:28] <pc-illiterate> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=388712       for any confusion while im gone in case i cant get this working
[17:31] <gabkdlly> b (hex) = 11 (dec)
[17:31] <gabkdlly> so you might try PCI:0:11:0
[17:32] <pc-illiterate> so it would be too bad mine comes up 01:0e.0
[17:32] <pc-illiterate> i will use the lspci -d
[17:33] <pc-illiterate> so i shall return
[17:40] <TheSheep> 01:0e.0 is 01:14:0
[17:40] <TheSheep> in decimal...
[17:41] <gabkdlly> yes, pc is busy rebooting at the moment
[17:41] <gabkdlly> he will be back though
[17:44] <ynni> what's the name of the bin for wicd?
[18:07] <dma315> Hey, my friend is working on installing Xubuntu on a Powerbook G3 and he is wondering how to boot the Live CD from an external USB CD drive. Can anybody help?
[18:15] <gabkdlly> dma315: what drive can be booted from depends on the BIOS configuration. This can usually be accessed by pushing ESC or DEL when the BIOS are initializing, before the actual operating system kicks in
[18:15] <dma315> Thank you
[18:15] <gabkdlly> but, I have never done this on a Mac
[18:15] <dma315> Alright I'll have him try that
[18:16] <gabkdlly> not to get you hopes up, it is possible that the BIOS do not support booting from USB at all
[18:17] <dma315> when it boots it recognizes the drive and all but goes to open firmware
[18:22] <gabkdlly> the Powerbook's firmware, or for the drive?
[18:24] <zoredache> dma315: at least on intel apple hardware you have to hold down the 'c' key or the 'left-alt' key to get it to boot of a cdrom
[18:25] <zoredache> oh, and just to double check, you have the ppc version of xubuntu right?  You know you can't use the i386 version
[18:49] <dezrik> !dvdplayback
[18:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdplayback - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:50] <dezrik> !dvd
[18:50] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[18:51] <dezrik> !medibuntu
[18:51] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[18:56] <DrIP-> hi all
[18:56] <DrIP-> i'm having MAJOR problems building ndiswrapper from source
[18:57] <DrIP-> i was wondering if anyone could help me out...
[18:58] <TheSheep> DrIP-: why not use the version from repositories?
[18:58] <DrIP-> well...
[18:58] <DrIP-> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/linksys-wmp11v4-in-ubunu-7.10-gutsy-594247/
[18:59] <DrIP-> appearently someone got it working...
[18:59] <DrIP-> on ndiswrapper version 1.48 :3
[19:00] <DrIP-> and i just tried the one from the repos. it didn't work...
[19:20] <witepa> dma315, hi once again
[19:22] <witepa> Alright, so I need some help here. I am trying to install Xubuntu 7.10 onto a PowerBook G3 with a broken internal CD/DVD drive. I have gotten my hands on an external USB CD drive, and it is recognized by the mac's bios. However, when I try to boot from it, I am taken to the mac's Open Firmware screen. What command should I use to make this work?
[19:24] <DrIP-> ...
[19:24] <DrIP-> hold down option key
[19:24] <DrIP-> while rebooting
[19:24] <dma315> hey Jordy
[19:25] <witepa> DrIP-: I did, and after I select the Xubuntu live cd, it takes me to open firmware
[19:25] <DrIP-> hummm, very intresting...
[19:27] <witepa> the same thing happened when I tried to use another mac's cd drive through target disk mode
[19:28] <DrIP-> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060301112336384
[19:28] <DrIP-> check that page
[19:29] <witepa> k
[19:30] <DrIP-> witepa: here i can step you through it...
[19:30] <witepa> alright
[19:30] <DrIP-> witepa: type 'devalias' without quotes
[19:30] <witepa> in open firmware?
[19:30] <DrIP-> yes
[19:31] <witepa> alright
[19:31] <DrIP-> now, look for ud, usually below where you see hd
[19:31] <DrIP->  If found, it will usually have beside it /pci@f2000000/usb@1/disk1, or similar
[19:31] <witepa> hmm, I see no ud, but I see a cd and usb0 and usb1
[19:32] <DrIP-> ahh
[19:32] <DrIP-> what's next to usb0
[19:32] <DrIP-> does it have a '/disk1' at the end?
[19:32] <witepa> no disk 1 at the end
[19:32] <witepa>  /pci@f2000000/usb@18
[19:33] <witepa>  /pci@f2000000/usb@19
[19:33] <witepa> is usb1
[19:33] <DrIP-> humm
[19:33] <DrIP-> ok
[19:34] <DrIP-> just type in mac-boot and load up diskutility
[19:34] <DrIP-> it's much easier to do it this way then...
[19:34] <witepa> i do not have mac osx on this system...
[19:34] <DrIP-> eep
[19:34] <DrIP-> ok...
[19:34] <witepa> yeah...
[19:35] <DrIP-> we can wing it then..
[19:35] <witepa> lol, alright
[19:35] <DrIP-> type: 'printenv boot-device' without quotes
[19:36] <witepa> alright
[19:36] <witepa> it gave me
[19:36] <DrIP-> what does it have
[19:36] <witepa> "boot-decive mac-io/ata-4@1f000/@0:9,\\tbxi hd:,\\:tbxi
[19:37] <DrIP-> ok
[19:37] <witepa> Partition: common     Signature: 0x70 is above it
[19:37] <DrIP-> perfect
[19:37] <DrIP-> 'setenv boot-device usb0:1,\\:tbxi'
[19:37] <DrIP-> 'setenv boot-device usb1:1,\\:tbxi'
[19:38] <witepa> alright
[19:39] <witepa> it just said ok twice
[19:39] <DrIP-> yes... then do: printenv boot-device and see if usb0:1,\\:tbxi and usb0:1,\\:tbxi are in the list
[19:39] <witepa> just usb1:1,\\tbxi     hd:,\\:tbxi
[19:40] <witepa> I did usb1:1 second
[19:40] <DrIP-> ok
[19:40] <DrIP-> ok... now, type in mac-boot
[19:41] <DrIP-> is it working?
[19:41] <witepa> "DEFAULT CATCH!,  code=fffffff6 at    %SRR0: ff80cddc    %SRR1: 0000b030"
[19:41] <witepa> no
[19:41] <DrIP-> wow
[19:42] <DrIP-> ok
[19:42] <DrIP-> maybe i should pull out my g3...
[19:42] <witepa> lol
[19:42] <DrIP-> go bak into open firmware...
[19:42] <witepa> thank you very much by the way
[19:43] <DrIP> meh
[19:43] <DrIP> sourry about that
[19:43] <witepa> still there
[19:43] <DrIP> ok
[19:44] <DrIP> lets se here
[19:47] <DrIP> oh god
[19:47] <DrIP> no ram?
[19:47] <witepa> no ram?
[19:47] <DrIP> hold on witepa :p
[19:47] <witepa> lol, alright
[19:48] <DrIP> ok
[19:51] <DrIP> lol
[19:51] <witepa> yes?
[19:51] <DrIP> let me pull up disk util.
[19:52] <witepa> alright
[19:52] <DrIP> ok, disk1s1
[19:53] <witepa> alright
[19:53] <DrIP> setenv boot-device usb0:1,\\:tbxi
[19:53] <witepa> alright
[19:53] <DrIP> the mac-boot
[19:53] <DrIP> *then
[19:54] <witepa> same default catch
[19:57] <witepa> I could try putting the cd drive into a firewire IDE enclosure
[19:57] <witepa> see if that works better
[19:59] <DrIP> witepa: you there?
[19:59] <witepa> yes
[20:01] <DrIP> ofa
[20:02] <witepa> ofa?
[20:13] <pc-illiterate> everyone involved, i got my vid card working ! yay for me and knowledgeable people !!
[20:14] <DrIP> witepa
[20:14] <DrIP> witepa
[20:14] <DrIP> witepa
[20:14] <witepa> hi
[20:14] <witepa> lol
[20:14] <DrIP> you need to get a updated firmware
[20:14] <witepa> damn
[20:14] <witepa> how?
[20:14] <DrIP> i just tried to boot off of an external dvd drive
[20:15] <DrIP> it wasnt working...
[20:15] <witepa> oh
[20:15] <DrIP> even if i held down the c key and the option
[20:15] <DrIP> it wasnt showing up
[20:15] <witepa> was it recognizing it at all?
[20:15] <witepa> huh
[20:15] <DrIP> but i can boot off the nternal fine...
[20:15] <witepa> when I hold option it does recognize it
[20:15] <DrIP> *internal cd drive
[20:16] <DrIP> really?
[20:16] <witepa> yeah
[20:16] <DrIP> then it just threw it to open firmware?
[20:16] <witepa> yup
[20:16] <DrIP> hummmm.....
[20:17] <DrIP> ok
[20:17] <DrIP> this is what you can do.
[20:17] <DrIP> it's not a perminant fix, but it will get you to where you want to be
[20:17] <witepa> yeah, all I need to do is install Xubuntu
[20:17] <DrIP> taget firewire your lappy
[20:17] <witepa> yeah
[20:17] <DrIP> and get another mac and install on to that
[20:18] <witepa> I have tried to do that actually
[20:18] <DrIP> really? what happened?
[20:18] <witepa> the Xubuntu partition manager doesn't recognize the firewire drive
[20:18] <DrIP> i see...
[20:18] <witepa> it did, however, recognize a flash drive
[20:18] <DrIP> have you tried to swap out the drives?
[20:18] <witepa> which drives
[20:19] <witepa> the hard drive?
[20:19] <DrIP> yea
[20:19] <DrIP> the hdds
[20:19] <witepa> no...
[20:19] <witepa> is it just a sata drive?
[20:19] <DrIP> it's special :p
[20:19] <witepa> lol, damn
[20:19] <DrIP> you can open the case of your laptop, there are two little tabs on the top of your keyboard
[20:20] <DrIP> by f1 and the eject button
[20:20] <DrIP> approx.
[20:20] <witepa> yeah
[20:20] <witepa> I have opened it before
[20:20] <witepa> and just did so
[20:20] <witepa> I have never removed the hdd though
[20:20] <DrIP> there are apple docs on that
[20:20] <witepa> yeah
[20:20] <DrIP> just swap out the drives and install
[20:21] <witepa> where would I swap the drive to?
[20:21] <witepa> I have a PowerMac G5
[20:21] <DrIP> ooh
[20:21] <witepa> with sata connections
[20:21] <DrIP> do you have a friend with a lappy?
[20:21] <witepa> hmm, not a PowerBook
[20:21] <DrIP> or maybe like a work/school computer you can do that on?
[20:22] <witepa> I have a Dell Inspiron
[20:22] <DrIP> humm....
[20:23] <witepa> I wonder...  is there any way to make the Xubuntu live cd recognize the mac as a firewire drive in target disk mode?
[20:23] <DrIP> it should recognize the drive as a typical fw drive
[20:23] <DrIP> but idk...
[20:23] <witepa> yeah
[20:24] <witepa> when I hook it up to a pc, it shows up as just a typical fw drive
[20:24] <DrIP> brb
[20:24] <witepa> k
[20:24] <DrIP> back
[20:25] <DrIP> i need to change those smoke alarm batteries -_-
[20:25] <witepa> lol
[20:25] <witepa> another thing I tried
[20:25] <DrIP> ohh...
[20:25] <witepa> I put the Xubuntu live CD into the PowerMac G5 and but the G5 into target disk mode
[20:25] <DrIP> dows the cd work on your g5?
[20:26] <witepa> and tried to boot the PowerBook G3 using the g5's optical drive
[20:26] <witepa> it works fine
[20:26] <DrIP> right... but does it?
[20:26] <witepa> but it sent me to open firmware as well
[20:26] <DrIP> because youmay have gotten the wrong cd...
[20:26] <witepa> oh, the Xubuntu CD?
[20:26] <witepa> it boots fine
[20:26] <DrIP> intel /=/ ppc
[20:26] <witepa> I made two of them
[20:26] <witepa> yeah yeah, they are ppc
[20:26] <witepa> one desktop edition, one alternate install
[20:26] <witepa> both ppc
[20:27] <witepa> both work when I boot on the g5
[20:27] <DrIP> damn wireless
[20:27] <witepa> yeah
[20:27] <DrIP> ahh yes...
[20:28] <DrIP> intel /=/ ppc
[20:28] <witepa> everything I have is ppc
[20:28] <DrIP> ...
[20:28] <witepa> ?
[20:28] <DrIP> The G5 is intel...
[20:28] <witepa> no, it is before the switch
[20:28] <witepa> G5 is ppc architecture
[20:29] <DrIP> wow...
[20:29] <DrIP> ok...
[20:29] <witepa> lol
[20:29] <DrIP> well, i hate to break it to you, but you need a dif, laptop to get it woking for you...
[20:29] <witepa> damn
[20:29] <witepa> is there any way to update the firmware?
[20:30] <DrIP> yea, through osx
[20:30] <witepa> I can install OS X through target disk mode
[20:30] <witepa> that works
[20:30] <DrIP> yea
[20:30] <witepa> I had problems doign that with tiger though, haven't tried with leopard yet
[20:30] <DrIP> then update firmware... that /should/ work
[20:31] <DrIP> leo should be a brease
[20:31] <witepa> how exactly do I update the firmware?
[20:31] <witepa> well, the Tiger install just hung at a certain point
[20:31] <DrIP> grab it from apple update or the support section of apple's site
[20:31] <witepa> it did recognize it and everything though
[20:31] <witepa> ah
[20:31] <DrIP> eithor way... should work
[20:32] <DrIP> then install via external, and have fun :)
[20:32] <witepa> think there is any way to install the firmware through target disk mode?
[20:32] <DrIP> nope... sourry
[20:33] <DrIP> the firmware has to be updated on the computer its run on...
[20:33] <witepa> yeah
[20:33] <witepa> the firmware runs on the ROM, right?
[20:33] <DrIP> yes and no...
[20:33] <witepa> explain...
[20:33] <DrIP> partly in ROM but also in another section
[20:33] <witepa> on the hdd?
[20:34] <DrIP> no...
[20:34] <witepa> alright, good
[20:34] <DrIP> i forget where it is... it's in PRAM?
[20:34] <DrIP> or a similar BIOS chip
[20:35] <DrIP> it can be flashed ans whatnot...
[20:35] <witepa> hmm, is there a chance that there is no firmware update for the powerbook g3?
[20:35] <DrIP> possiable...
[20:35] <DrIP> go check now
[20:35] <DrIP> i need lunch lol
[20:35] <witepa> lol
[20:35] <witepa> thanks
[20:35] <DrIP> brb (again)
[20:41] <witepa> brb, gonna install leopard on the powerbook via target disk mode
[20:52] <slow-motion> n8
[21:11] <DrIP> meh
[21:19] <witepa> DrIP: well, the leopard install hung just like the Tiger install did
[21:20] <witepa> I guess I'll put the project on hold for a bit... I think my only option is figuring out how to get the live cd to recognize the firewire drive
[21:22] <DrIP> hummm
[21:22] <DrIP> where did it hang?
[21:23] <witepa> early in the install
[21:23] <witepa> a similar place time-wise as tiger did
[21:23] <DrIP> about where, essentials?
[21:23] <witepa> could it be something like a crashed hard drive?
[21:23] <witepa> All I chose to install were essentials
[21:24] <witepa> the disk is fine, I used it to install leopard on this computer several weeks ago
[21:24] <DrIP> well if it was crashed... then you can't even read the disk...
[21:24] <witepa> yeah
[21:24] <DrIP> but it shows up as a fw drive
[21:24] <witepa> yes
[21:24] <DrIP> hummm
[21:25] <DrIP> try this: grab a drive off of ebay...
[21:25] <DrIP> grab a cheap one that works
[21:25] <witepa> but I have tried to install tiger maybe 5 or 6 times in the past few years on there, and every time it hung in a similar place
[21:25] <witepa> yeah
[21:25] <witepa> I don't like spending money, lol
[21:25] <witepa> I may have to resort to ti though
[21:25] <witepa> it*
[21:25] <DrIP> lol same here....
[21:26] <DrIP> but, i say that if something doesn't work, just replace it... stop fidgiting with it...
[21:26] <DrIP> sourry i just can't type today
[21:26] <witepa> yeah
[21:26] <witepa> I just thought it would be nice to have another computer around, and just install Xubuntu
[21:26] <witepa> to have maybe as a seedbox or something
[21:27] <DrIP> well i'm sure you can grab a combo drive off of e-bay for < $20
[21:27] <witepa> yeah
[21:28] <witepa> the one I have now seems to not even be getting power though
[21:28] <witepa> so I am worried that there might be something wrong with the connections as well
[21:28] <witepa> oh wait, never mind
[21:28] <witepa> it got power
[21:28] <witepa> lol
[21:28] <DrIP> so, that's something to think about
[21:29] <witepa> yeah
[21:29] <witepa> a powerbook combo drive
[21:35] <DrIP> yea
[21:36] <DrIP> hackintosh f12 key also servs as the eject button
[21:37] <DrIP> it's k00l lol
[21:37] <witepa> lol
[21:38] <DrIP> now if i can oly get ndiswrapper working on my server...
[21:38] <DrIP> *only
[21:38] <witepa> why do you have to use ndiswrapper?
[21:40] <HACKhalo2> because it emulates the Windows wireless router drivers
[21:41] <witepa> yeah, I know that... but I usually only go to it as a last resort
[21:41] <witepa> brb
[22:50] <pc-illiterate> hey vidd... you listening ?
[22:50] <vidd> yeah
[22:51] <pc-illiterate> i got my card up and and running :))
[22:51] <vidd> how did it go?
[22:51] <vidd> nice
[22:51] <pc-illiterate> not what you thought lol
[22:51] <pc-illiterate> it was the glx drivers though
[22:51] <pc-illiterate>  had to enable a config.
[22:52] <vidd> so the nv did not work but the nvidia did?
[22:52] <pc-illiterate> pull out a net card and put vid card in its place so i could find pci slot. real pain but it works
[22:52] <vidd> sweet
[22:53] <pc-illiterate> i tried but nothing worked. found the site for info again
[22:53] <vidd> i have to go take my kid home to his mother....
[22:53] <pc-illiterate> tell ya what. i dont have the refresh rates i had with xp,, but i definitely have more resolutions
[22:54] <vidd> ill be back in about an hour
[22:54] <pc-illiterate> well safe trip man
[22:55] <DrIP> meh
[22:57] <DrIP> i need a bit of help
[22:57] <DrIP> i need ndiswrapper to work with my linksys wmp11v4
[23:07] <Stroganoff> hi
[23:15] <pc-illiterate> hi


[00:21] <mup> Bug #1722962 opened: Connection broken: IncompleteRead on rackd <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1722962>
[09:18] <TheGOro> Hi all
[09:19] <TheGOro> Can I have a Dell related question?
[09:22] <TheGOro> When I am trying to comission manually defined nodes, MaaS duplicates them and defines the duplicates with different IPMI credentials
[09:24] <TheGOro> It seems that it creates maas IPMI user for some reasons
[12:31] <roaksoax> TheGOro: maas autodetects IPMI and auto-configures it for usage, yes
[17:11] <spaniard> apologies if this is a know issue: bootstrapping Juju controller Attempting to connect <IP>:22
[17:11] <spaniard> what did i miss?
[17:49] <catbus> spaniard: did the node with <IP> come up right? Can you ping the node via that <IP> from maas server?
[17:51] <spaniard> yes the node comes up, displays the correct info <Ubuntu... number of cores and shows powered on > and is pingable
[17:54] <catbus> spaniard: does it show deployed successfully on maas? if so, how long have juju bootstrap been stuck at Attempting to connect <IP>:22/
[17:54] <catbus> ?
[17:56] <spaniard> catbus: maybe an hour stuck on "Attempting to ssh"
[17:57] <catbus> spaniard: can you ssh to the machine from MAAS?
[17:58] <catbus> spaniard: I'd kill current juju bootstrap, make sure the machine is released on MAAS, then juju bootstrap again with --debug flag to get more info.
[18:01] <spaniard> catbus: I can not ssh, did i miss adding a key somewhere?
[18:02] <catbus> spaniard: if you can't ssh ubuntu@<IP> from MAAS, you should check if an ssh key is imported in MAAS, click on the admin account on the top right, then it will bring you to a page where you can import ssh keys.
[18:03] <spaniard> ah user ubuntu ..yes i can ssh to the node
[18:04] <catbus> spaniard: I'd kill current juju bootstrap, make sure the bootstrap machine is released on MAAS, then juju bootstrap again with --debug flag to get more info.
[18:12] <spaniard> catbus: thank you! i'll start again with the --debug, approximately how long should it take to pass this step Attempting to connect <IP>:22/
[18:14] <catbus> spaniard: However long it takes the machine to finish OS install and reachable via that IP. When you see it shows deployed successfully on maas, juju should be able to contact the node.
[19:25] <mup> Bug #1723232 opened: [2.3, UI] Move event log dates to the left <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1723232>
[20:43] <mup> Bug #1707999 changed: pod VM fails to PXE boot after receiving multiple DHCP offers, for different IPs, from the dhcp server <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <cdo-release-blocker>
 <internal> <MAAS:Invalid by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.2:Invalid> <ipxe (Ubuntu):New for andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707999>


[06:16] <ussher_> im trying to add keyboard shortcuts to kazam to pause/unpause (because the icon click stops working) and have found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/kazam/+bug/650691  which reads ".... you can set the shortcuts in ~/.config/kazam/kazam.conf :) ....." but fails to say HOW to add them.  any ideas how to add a keyboard shortcut?
[21:13] <Eddward> Does ubuntu studio have anything special like special kernel patches for audio work?
[21:14] <Eddward> Or is it a just a different set of default apps from ubuntu?
[21:15] <zequence> Eddward: It comes with preinstalled with linux-lowlatency (a reconfigured -generic) and a few settings to improbv
[21:15] <zequence> ..improve low latency operation
[21:16] <zequence> It's not difficult to add that to any Ubuntu flavor or derivative
[21:17] <zequence> Just install linux-lowlatency and add the user to audio group, as well as saying "yes" to realtime, when asked while installing jackd
[21:19] <zequence> All applications are in the main Ubuntu repo
[21:22] <zequence> You can then add all audio applications by installing ubuntustudio-audio
[21:22] <zequence> All, that are dependencies to that meta
[21:26] <Eddward> zequence: Thanks
[21:26] <holstein> most folks dont need even the low latency one though
[21:26] <holstein> you can do plenty of "audio work" without needing low latency
[21:27] <holstein> you will notice a need for it if you want to run software synthesisers or realtime effects..
[21:27] <Eddward> I found yoshimi seemed to work better with it.
[21:27] <holstein> Eddward: not better
[21:28] <holstein> Eddward: will have lower latency if thats what you need
[21:28] <holstein> its neither better nor worse...
[21:28] <Eddward> It got clicky.
[21:28] <holstein> sure... at lower latency settings
[21:28] <holstein> you also might not need to play the synth realtime
[21:29] <holstein> you might just want to do some sequencing... with a piano roll editor for example. that will not require low latency
[21:29] <holstein> i would expect to get audio hardware that would support lower latency as well
[21:30] <holstein> if you are using an internal sound card, that is the biggest problem
[21:30] <Eddward> I have an sb live
[21:30] <Eddward> It's been ok for sound, but it's not very pa friendly.
[21:31] <holstein> Eddward: pulse audio?
[21:31] <Eddward> yes
[21:31] <holstein> the drivers are the same
[21:31] <Eddward> I know
[21:31] <zequence> Anyone who is wanting to play a soft synth live will need low latency
[21:31] <Eddward> They don't seem to want to support it.
[21:31] <holstein> i doubt its actually a pulse issue.. lubuntu doesnt ship with pulse.. you could fire that up live and test without pulse
[21:31] <Eddward> It plays fine w/o pulse.
[21:32] <Eddward> I also don't like that pulse won't take advantage of the multi-open support, but that's a separate issue.
[21:33] <zequence> pulse does do things a bit differently. Some cards have a alsa driver interface that doesn't work well with the standards that pulseaudio requireas
[21:33] <Eddward> Yep.
[21:33] <holstein> ive had issues with both scenarios, depending on driver support
[21:34] <zequence> Eddward: What is the issue you are having with pulseaudio?
[21:34] <Eddward> So far the emu10k driver's been fine for me with the sb live except for when I use pulse.
[21:35] <Eddward> It's clicky.  If I do something that's CPU intensive like play a video game, the sound stutters and static's out until sound just dies and I get silence.
[21:35] <Eddward> I gave up on PA.
[21:36] <Eddward> I've never gotten any workable advice and lots of insults.
[21:36] <Eddward> Is unity the default DE for ubuntu studio now?
[21:36] <zequence> XFCE
[21:36] <Eddward> cool
[21:37] <zequence> Check out ubuntustudio.org for some pics
[21:37] <Eddward> I'm still on 10.04 and I'm hoping to upgrade over the holidys.
[21:37] <holstein> or download it and check it out live
[21:37] <zequence> Eddward: I'm guessing your PA issues might be long gone once you upgrade
[21:38] <Eddward> I'll give it another, but that's what I've heard before.
[21:38] <zequence> Just realized we don't have a screenshot of the desktop :P
[21:38] <Eddward> I use it on my work laptop with the enbedded sound chip.  It gets staticy there, but it's just work.
[21:39] <Eddward> I don't mine a few clicks when the chat program beeps.
[21:40] <holstein> i usually have all that worked out from a live CD
[21:40] <holstein> Eddward: i get no clicks or pops.. desktop or studio. not on my sound blaster hardware either
[21:41] <zequence> 10.04 still didn't include a alsa driver for my audio device that allowed PA to see my audio ins and outs. That got sorted out a long time ago
[21:41] <Eddward> Does pulse run on top of jack or do it suspend pulse when doing sound work?
[21:41] <holstein> Eddward: not in any prolonged un-usable state
[21:41] <holstein> Eddward: you can undo the dbus that routes pulse through JACK (thats what i do)
[21:41] <zequence> pulse runs paralell to jack, unless you start jack with the same audio device
[21:42] <Eddward> I'm fine routing through jack.  I hated killing all other sound to run jack before.
[21:42] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio comes preconfigured with having Pulseaudio bridge to jack, if starting jack though
[21:42] <holstein> i prefer having no other sound but jack on my audio rig
[21:42] <Eddward> cool
[21:42] <holstein> not that i remove or purge anything...
[21:42] <zequence> That means Pulseaudio is turned into an audio application, just like any audio application
[21:43] <zequence> It's not recommended to have the bridge active when doing low latency
[21:43] <zequence> It causes xruns
[21:43] <Eddward> ok
[21:43] <holstein> though, its quite useable and decent latency settings..and works out of the box.. easy
[21:43] <zequence> PA still needs to be set to use jack as its output/input, after starting jack, in order for the chain to be complete
[21:44] <Eddward> I just want to be able to run a game now and then with out having to kill jack.
[21:44] <Eddward> I'm still spoiled by running multi-open without pulse.
[21:45] <holstein> i dont do gaming and jack
[21:45] <holstein> i kill jack and do desktop tasks... or i dual boot a seperate installation
[21:45] <Eddward> I'm guessing they haven't done anything to rake advantage of multi-open.
[21:45] <holstein> i dont even like to upgrade my audio machine
[21:45] <holstein> i have a 10.04 install that i havent upgraded in years.. i dual boot 12.04 there til i get migrated over to 12.04
[21:45] <Eddward> Maybe if I get a comfortable enough rig, I'll be that way.
[21:47] <holstein> i have a very comfortable dual core rig that i got for recovering some data from a hard drive for a friend
[21:47] <Eddward> I got to were I was using yoshimi, qsynth and I was trying to find a recording/sequencer I liked.
[21:48] <Eddward> I played with muse & rosegarden,
[21:48] <holstein> qtractor is the one i hear about, though i do very little midi myself
[21:48] <Eddward> I hate having to reload all the different programs and getting reset up each time.
[21:48] <holstein> ardour3 will be the big one when its final
[21:48] <holstein> Eddward: sure.. but actually, you *get* to load the different programs and set them up with each other
[21:49] <zequence> ardour3 midi is not the best, even though it does work. I either use qtractor or muse. Muse is very fast to work with, if you write notes by hand
[21:49] <zequence> I only use muse for midi though
[21:49] <zequence> And I prefer Ardour for audio
[21:49] <holstein> zequence: might not be the best, but i bet it will be the go-to when its final
[21:49] <Eddward> If I could snaphot it once I'm setup that would be fine.
[21:49] <holstein> Eddward: there are session managers
[21:49] <Eddward> I need to figure out how to use one.
[21:50] <Eddward> Thanks for you help.  I got to run.


[08:30] <Unit193> OK, basically just uploaded all of the latest RC to experimental, sans -settings, -session, and xfconf. >_>
[23:53] <Unit193> The following packages have been sync'd to Xubuntu: xfce4-dev-tools libxfce4util libxfce4ui exo garcon thunar xfce4-appfinder xfce4-power-manager xfce4-panel thunar-volman xfdesktop4 xfwm4


[16:57] <jono> stas_, ping?
[16:58] <stas_> jono: pong
[16:58] <stas_> hows going?
[16:58] <jono> stas_, hey, great! you?
[16:58] <stas_> me too, passed gsoc midterm last week :)
[16:58] <jono> stas_, good work!
[16:58] <jono> stas_, quick q
[16:58] <stas_> thanks
[16:59] <jono> here he is :)
[16:59] <jono> kim0, meet stas_
[16:59] <jono> stas_, meet kim0
[16:59] <stas_> hi kim0 :)
[16:59] <kim0> stas_: Nice to meet you
[16:59] <jono> stas_, kim0 just joined my team building a cloud community
[16:59] <kim0> stas_: hey
[16:59] <stas_> same here :)
[16:59] <jono> he is building a WP site and needs the theme
[16:59] <jono> is there a location with the release?
[16:59] <stas_> great
[16:59] <jono> and can you help him use it?
[16:59] <jono> I am sure kim0 will provide some awesome feedback
[16:59] <stas_> jono: bad news, looks like newz2000 was a bit busy so the release isn't done yet
[17:00] <stas_> but i will surely help kim0
[17:00] <jono> stas_, can we release without newz2000 doing it?
[17:00] <jono> stas_, plonk it in a Launchpad project and boom!
[17:00] <stas_> its in pending for code review
[17:00] <stas_> thats all :)
[17:00] <kim0> I'll just play with it on local machine for now
[17:00] <stas_> kim0: do you have the tarball?
[17:01] <kim0> no .. but I'm trying to lure you into emailing it
[17:01] <stas_> w8 i'll give you the bzr link
[17:01] <kim0> hurray
[17:02] <stas_> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sushkov/ubuntu-website/light-wordpress-theme
[17:02] <stas_> bzr branch lp:~sushkov/ubuntu-website/light-wordpress-theme
[17:02] <kim0> stas_: voila .. Thank you
[17:03] <stas_> kim0: if you need help with it, just ping me, usually I'm lurking around
[17:03] <kim0> stas_: that's just great .. thanks .. will definitely bug you :)
[17:04] <stas_> great, keep in touch :)


[10:08] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. so, I have a VPS from Kimsufi (some "eco" branch from OVH) and since I'm given only a /128 IPv6, I decided to use tunnelbroker to have more IPv6 adddresses. This are my netplan configs: https://0bin.xyz/view/666ec467
[10:10] <PeGaSuS> on the tunnel config, if I use routes, I can't connect to the outside, but if I use gateway6 i can. any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated
[10:11] <PeGaSuS> don't ask me why Kimsufi has so many routes because I have no idea at all
[14:33] <OrcD3vil> having a little issue trying to figure out netplan on ubuntu server 22.04 LTS reading i need to disable the cloud-int and make a new file but not understanding


[04:18] <mup> Bug #1490630 changed: intermittent access issues for IPMI with HP Gen8 BL460c <cpe-sa> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1490630>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1512109 opened: inconsistent DNS zone entries when using multiple subnets <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512109>
[21:59] <digitalsky> roaksoax: ping
[22:01] <digitalsky> following the ubuntu openstack autopilot instruction on ubuntu 14.04 64 bit, i was expecting some instructions on screen while doing "apt install maas"
[22:02] <digitalsky> but downloading and processing packages, the screen clears and i'm back to the prompt with no chance to specify any thing (eg. IP address to use).  The dialogues don't appear at all.
[22:03] <digitalsky> anyone here with this experince?  I updated LANG and LANGUAGE to eu_US.UTF-8 (that solves a similar issue when I do openstack-install)
[22:07] <pmatulis> 'maas root boot-resources import' imports the latest LTS amd64 image. how do i specify other releases & architectures?
[22:08] <pmatulis> (if 'root' is a user profile on my system)


[01:09] <freeflying> is it possible to destroy a subordinate hacluster unit in dying state
[03:24] <freeflying> thumper, if we wanna to destroy a service properly, and its has relation with others, what shall we do exactly
[03:25] <freeflying> remove relation firstly and then destroy service?
[03:34] <thumper> freeflying: I think with the fix that landed on friday, just destroying the service should work, but for now, best to be safe and remove the relations first
[03:34] <thumper> freeflying: the fix won't be released until 1.17 i think
[03:35] <freeflying> thumper, so remove-relation works in 1.16.0?
[03:36] <thumper> freeflying: I hope so... seems pretty fundamental
[03:39] <freeflying> thumper, :)
[05:21] <sbbrtn> what is an easy to test charms?  I have a charm written but now need to debug it.  Is there a tool to do this?  Or do you just have to deploy it and see what happens?
[06:46] <thumper-afk> sbbrtn: you can use the local provider and deploy there, it uses lxc locally
[06:47] <sbbrtn> I'm not able to ssh into the local provider
[06:49] <freeflying> sbbrtn, do you have ssh key pair
[06:49] <sbbrtn> yeah.  I created an ssh key like the tutorial said
[06:50] <sbbrtn> maybe I am running the wrong command...
[06:51] <sbbrtn> i run "juju ssh 1" and it gives me an error.
[06:51] <thumper-afk> sbbrtn: that should work
[06:51] <thumper-afk> sorry
[06:51] <thumper-afk> no it won't
[06:51] <thumper-afk> use 'juju ssh unit-name/n'
[06:51] <thumper-afk> it has to do with limitations I've not yet fixed
[06:51] <thumper-afk> alternatively
[06:51] <thumper-afk> all the log files are local
[06:52] <thumper-afk> by default in ~/.juju/local/log
[06:52]  * thumper goes to do a few dishes
[06:52] <sbbrtn> ahh.  thanks!
[06:52] <sbbrtn> that works
[07:07] <freeflying> I destroy-service, is it normal that the machine hasn't been released from maas?
[07:19] <thumper> freeflying: yes, the machine isn't destroyed automatically (yet)
[07:19] <thumper> freeflying: we are looking to change the default behaviour back to what pyjuju did
[07:20] <thumper> freeflying: right now, when the last unit is removed from a machine, the machine is still around
[07:20] <thumper> freeflying: we want to change this (soonish)
[07:21] <freeflying> thumper, I just did it :)
[07:21] <thumper> freeflying: just did what?
[07:21] <freeflying> thumper, destroy services and then destroy machines
[07:21] <freeflying> then get the machine released from maas
[07:22]  * thumper goes to roll his calves
[07:24] <freeflying> :)
[08:01] <AskUbuntu> Ceph did not deploy to machine 0 why? | http://askubuntu.com/q/375321
[09:27] <DanChapman> Hey when i run 'juju bootstrap -e azure'. My memory completely fills (16GB + 8 GB swap) to the point my box crashes. I need to file a bug for this, is there any specific logs you would need included with the bug report?
[09:47] <axw> DanChapman: I can't think of anything off the top of my head. I'd say just file it, and when someone looks at it they may ask for more info.
[09:48] <DanChapman> axw, thanks I will do that then :-)
[09:48] <axw> DanChapman: do you have any non-default parameters in your environments.yaml? apart from the credentials
[09:48] <axw> perhaps list them
[09:49] <axw> DanChapman: also, the version of juju
[09:50] <DanChapman> axw all I changed were the credential: subscription-id, storage-account, cert path and location. I've included the juju version I'll add some info about the .yaml file
[09:51] <axw> cool, thanks!
[09:54] <freeflying> after destroy a service, some relation stays in dying, how can I get them removed?
[09:56] <axw> freeflying: can you please pastebin a "juju status" for me?
[11:33] <bloodearnest> heya all, 2 simple questions:
[11:34] <bloodearnest> 1) is there a standard way to get a file path friendly version JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT? I see a lot charms implementing their own sanitizing functions
[11:35] <bloodearnest> (am using charm-helpers, but can't see one in there)
[11:36] <bloodearnest> 2) is there a standard solution to subordinate charms possibly fighting with it's main charm over apt locks if their install hook execution overlaps? Does it indeed overlap? Is hook execution serialized per-unit?
[11:55] <stub> bloodearnest: no, everyone has implemented their own. It is probably worth adding to charm-helpers if you can think of a good name for it.
[11:56] <stub> bloodearnest: 2) is interesting - could be worth adding locking to the charm-helpers helper?
[11:56] <stub> bloodearnest: I don't know what the current serialisation guarantees are with hooks
[11:59] <bloodearnest> stub: I'm seeing code in gunicorn subordinate charm to retry in a loop, which I've gone with. Just thought it was error prone if subordiante charm authors have to remember to do it
[12:00] <stub> bloodearnest: yeah, that sounds like a hack to me.
[12:01] <bloodearnest> as for names: urlsafe_juju_unit?
[12:02] <stub> I guess. Or sanitized_juju_unit if it is generic enough
[12:02] <stub> I mainly needed it for filesystem safe names
[12:03] <stub> oh - and sql safe for database names, usernames etc.
[12:05] <bloodearnest> good point
[12:07] <stub> (think the last version I coded allowed only a-zA-Z0-9_ ?)
[12:07] <stub> (And now I think of it, it probably explodes if the service name starts with a number)
[13:09] <AskUbuntu> How to make my nodes online in maas? | http://askubuntu.com/q/375412
[13:34] <jamespage> bloodearnest, you should not hit 2) - within a container hook execution is serialized
[13:34] <jamespage> if you have that's a bug
[13:35] <bloodearnest> jamespage: ack, good to know. Not hit it, just working on a charm that has code to handle it, wasn't sure it was needed
[13:35] <bloodearnest> jamespage: I'll remove it
[13:35] <jamespage> bloodearnest, it used to be a problem
[13:35] <jamespage> but then someone saw sense in that juju was much better positioned to resolve that sort of thing
[13:35] <bloodearnest> yep
[16:38] <marcoceppi> jamespage: adam_g would you guys be opposed to me assigning reviews for openstack charms to ~openstack-charmers and having ~charmers abstain? In order to get them out of the queue?
[16:39] <marcoceppi> Or do you guys use the queue?
[16:39] <marcoceppi> I did one like that a few nights ago, then thought I should ask you all first
[16:41] <marcoceppi> sbbrtn: local provider caveats have been documented https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-local.html#caveats
[16:41] <jamespage> marcoceppi, should we move the official branches over to that team as well?
[16:43] <marcoceppi> jamespage: you're more than welcome to, it makes no difference to us at this point, though it might break a lot of existing deployer files. I know CTS explicitly uses lp:~charmers branches for their deployers
[16:44] <jamespage> ok
[16:44] <marcoceppi> I just didn't want to break your review workflow
[16:44] <marcoceppi> and I didn't want new charmers to start reviewing stuff since it might be in flux with the openstack charms
[17:23] <ahasenack> hi, could I inderest someone into taking a look at a one-liner MP against the apache2 charm? https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/charms/precise/apache2/apache2-no-failing-juju-log/+merge/194403
[17:30] <context> MP ?
[17:31] <context> must be a bzr/lp term
[17:59] <teknico> MP means Merge Proposal
[18:35] <AskUbuntu> Juju with GUI Installation | http://askubuntu.com/q/375570
[21:25] <AskUbuntu> Unable to install juju-gui locally? | http://askubuntu.com/q/375635
[22:14] <rick_h_> bac: lol at dual post answering
[22:15] <rick_h_> and <3 jcastro for editing