[02:03] <Intelo> Seveas: I am here
[02:10] <jpmh> I have vague memories that with ext4 it is possible to store the data from a small filein the inode rather than filestorage - is thistrue?
[02:16] <sarnold> jpmh: I think 60 bytes
[02:16] <jpmh> sarnold: doI need to doanything or does it just happen - 20bytes is all I need
[02:16] <sarnold> jpmh: I'm basing that on fs/ext4/inline.c ext4_write_inline_data() uses a define, EXT4_MIN_INLINE_DATA_SIZE
[02:20] <sarnold> jpmh: good question. I *think* it'll just happen with short files but I can't promise that.
[02:23] <jpmh> sarnold: I can't find anything on google on this
[02:26] <sarnold> jpmh: hmm, I wonder, maybe adding site:lwn.net ? if anyone's got it documented, they might :)
[02:26] <sarnold> jpmh: maybe try creating files of sizes 1 through 100 bytes and check du output on each?
[02:28] <jpmh> sarnold: yep - that's a simple solution - ty
[03:39] <blogten> hi, what's the best place to ask about updated versions of packages at the Ubuntu repository?
[03:40] <blogten> specifically, for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, fftw 3.3.8 is offered however 3.3.9 was released back in December including the following change: "Fix incorrect math in 128-bit generic SIMD"
[03:54] <DumbLDoor> Hi All! What's the old EFI issue with 21.04? How do I know I can upgrade without any problems?
[03:56] <DumbLDoor> Is the right channel to ask this question?
[04:22] <alexandrugoia> greetings, i have 2 addresses <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:22] <alexandrugoia> in the box .23 i run a virtual machine with windows, ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:23] <alexandrugoia> how to make such that .27 to see the windows virtual machine ?
[04:23] <alexandrugoia> thank you
[05:16] <Metamorphosis> Hello. Is it better to format external(portable) hard disks to Fat32 instead of the default NTFS to use on Linux?
[05:32] <guiverc> Metamorphosis, I prefer ext4 myself (full posix compliant), but it'll depend on your intended purpose
[06:02] <ksynwa> Hello. This is a dumb question so sorry about this. I have only used a rolling distro so I don't know about this. What are some differences between Ubuntu 21.04 and Ubuntu 20.04 for a normie end-user? I saw that 21.04 has a newer kernel which is nice. What else is different?
[06:05] <guiverc> ksynwa, 21.04 contains packages that were available prior to the UI & like freezes for 2021-April release (look up schedule for dates), 20.04 prior to the 2020-April release... LTS or 20.04 release offers two kernel stacks, GA or HWE so you have two options for kernel modules (ie. drivers), HWE currently is 20.10 stack but will soon move to 21.04 stack; GA = original 20.04 kernel but that's not end-user packages
[06:07] <guiverc> summary, LTS is software that existed before 2020-April & remains that way... non-LTS release uses software that's generally up to 6 months old (software that existed prior to it's release)
[06:13] <ksynwa> guiverc: Thanks very much
[06:15] <guiverc> ksynwa, LTS is 5 years for 'main' software, 3 years generally for 'universe' for security fixes etc... non-LTS is 9 months so release-upgrades are required every 6-9 months (benefit being always newer software)
[06:17] <guiverc> LTS releases usually have LTS releases of software (due to longer supported life, so may not be the latest version that is packaged unless that was also a LTS release of program (libreoffice etc)
[06:19] <ksynwa> guiverc: Wow thanks very much for the detailed desription. Really appreciate it.
[06:22] <guiverc> you're most welcome  (rolling rhino = ubuntu rolling; it's an option, as is staying on development cycle.. but they have fewer support options)
[06:54] <cbreak> Metamorphosis: you can even use ZFS for it, if your usecase fits
[07:05] <ducasse> Metamorphosis: the filesystem matters the most if you intend to access it from other operating systems, linux can read and write just about anything
[07:43] <cetex> Are there any up to date howtos for how to compile a kernel from git?
[07:56] <bumblefuzz> when I try to edit /etc/sysctl.conf I get the error that the file is being edited by root with PID 17341
[07:56] <bumblefuzz> when I try to `sudo kill -9 17341` it says no such process
[07:58] <Histralia> Ubuntu 21.04 have all DVDs???
[08:03] <geirha> bumblefuzz: which editor?
[08:03] <ducasse> Histralia: could you rephrase that?
[08:03] <bumblefuzz> nano
[08:03] <bumblefuzz> I just scrapped the entire install and started over
[08:04] <Histralia> ducasse Ubuntu 21.04 have all DVDs with all packages???
[08:04] <ducasse> Histralia: dvd downloads are available, but i don't think they contain the entire repos
[08:36] <moksha> oin ##technology
[08:56] <Ublx> hello, i am trying to set a button of a graphics tablet with 'xsetwacom' to a mouse button but it doesn't work: 'xsetwacom set [device] button 1 3' to set button 1 to the right mouse button does not work. could anybody help?
[08:56] <Ublx> i also tried 0xfeeb of the keysymdef.h. no success.
[09:22] <cetex> Answering my own question: https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official - Building with make-deb-pkg now and it seems to work after disabling CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS (it should then use a generated key instead)
[09:22] <cetex> make deb-pkg
[11:05] <DarkTrick> @apt: I always get errors about apache2 ("installed apache2 package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1"). I remember there was a bug report on this, but I can't find it. Does anyone know about it?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:23] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: usually I see this because one of my apache vhosts is configured correctly, so when the post-inst script tries to restart apache, apache fails to start up
[12:23] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: the important thing is to look above that message for the actual reason of the failure
[12:23] <mgedmin> if not seen on the console, then check /var/log/apache2/error.log
[12:25] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, there is no errorlog
[12:26] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, something about mpm... : https://pastebin.com/H0fiLv8s
[12:27] <DarkTrick> This started to happen after an upgrade a while ago. I didn't change (or use) any config on apache, so it was something introduced by the udpate/upgrade
[12:29] <mgedmin> huh "ERROR: Module mpm_prefork does not exist!" is a weird error
[12:29] <mgedmin> is the apache2-bin package installed?
[12:30] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, yes
[12:30] <mgedmin> do you have debsums installed?  does debsums -c apache2 apache2-bin print anything?
[12:32] <mgedmin> does `a2enmod mpm_prefork` work?  after that can you finish apache2 package setup with `dpkg --configure -a` without it failing?
[12:33] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, no debsums
[12:33] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, a2enmod ... prints "ERROR: Module mpm_prefork does not exist!"
[12:34] <mgedmin> what does ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_*.load print?
[12:34] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, no such file / directory
[12:34] <mgedmin> I have three mpm modules there: event, prefork, and worker
[12:35] <DarkTrick> "/etc/apache2/mods-available" does not list any mpm module
[12:35] <mgedmin> these files are shipped by the apache2 package
[12:35] <mgedmin> hm, in etc so debsums wouldn't check them without -a
[12:35] <mgedmin> debsums -ac apache2 would be useful to see
[12:35] <mgedmin> apt install debsums if you don't have it
[12:36] <mgedmin> (apt will try to re-run apache2 postinst and fail after installing debsums; ignore that for now)
[12:36] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, maybe the shipping of those files is rather "fresh"? So my old installation does not have them?
[12:36] <mgedmin> if you deleted those files manually (a bad idea), apt will not restore them
[12:36] <mgedmin> apt respects the sysadmin and thinks that local changes made to files in /etc are sacred
[12:36] <mgedmin> even when that breaks the system
[12:36] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, I don't remember fiddleing in that area
[12:37] <mgedmin> do you have etckeeper?  I highly recommend apt install etckeeper
[12:37] <DarkTrick> "debsums -c apache2 apache2-bin" prints nothing
[12:37] <mgedmin> excellent, now try with debsums -a -c apache2
[12:38] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, quite a list! https://pastebin.com/41bWBcwY
[12:38] <mgedmin> assuming I'm right and the only problem is some mods-available/* files missing, there's a way to get them back
[12:39] <mgedmin> yes, looks like somebody wiped your entire /etc/apache2
[12:39] <DarkTrick> interesting...
[12:39] <mgedmin> https://askubuntu.com/questions/66533/how-can-i-restore-configuration-files
[12:40] <mgedmin> to get the config files back, apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" apache2
[12:40] <mgedmin> I'm annoyed by the cumbersome syntax every single time I have to do it
[12:40] <mgedmin> (which is rarely because I have etckeeper and can restore deleted files with git)
[12:41] <mgedmin> if there were any sites already configured in /etc/apache2/sites-{available,enabled}, hope you have backups!
[12:41] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, result: "E: Internal Error, No file name for apache2:amd64"
[12:42] <mgedmin> wow, I've never seen that before
[12:42] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, I guess something went wrong during the upgrade :)
[12:42] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt?field.searchtext=Internal+Error%2C+No+file+name+for&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dup
[12:42] <mgedmin> es=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= shows two similar bugs
[12:43] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, lol, I just figured out, that reall all /etc/apache2/* is whiped!
[12:45] <mgedmin> the apt internal error hints that something more is broken
[12:45] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, maybe the problem is related to the fact, that I installed lampp and not apache2 (directly...)
[12:45] <mgedmin> there's no apt package called 'lampp', what exactly did you install?
[12:47] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, I don't remember (around 2018), but I guess I used the installer: https://phoenixnap.com/kb/how-to-install-xampp-on-ubuntu
[12:47] <DarkTrick> maybe that's the source of the problem
[12:47] <mgedmin> ah, download random script from the web and run it as root?  yeah, sounds safe
[12:48] <mgedmin> the page says the script was written for ubuntu 18.04?  your apache2 version suggests you're on ubuntu 21.04
[12:48] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, indeed
[12:48] <DarkTrick> I installed it on UB 18.04 at the time
[12:49] <mgedmin> ok, but then something broke during an ubuntu upgrade?  that's interesting
[12:50] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, maybe some upgrade/apt/script/whatever scanned files and detected the apache installation without realizing, that apt never installed it... or something like that...
[12:50] <ravage> My suggestion would be to install lxd and setup your stack with the packages provided by Ubuntu. Creates a clean and upgradeable environment
[12:50] <mgedmin> distribution upgades should never destroy files in /etc
[12:51] <mgedmin> the only theory I can come up with is maybe some buggy 3rd-party package had a buggy postrm script or something
[12:52] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, "package had a buggy postrm script" I recall that from the initially mentioned bug report I couldn't find anymore
[12:53] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, btw "upgades should never destroy files in /etc" wouldn't be the first time on my machine. Every upgrade is like pandoras box
[12:53] <mgedmin> there's a reason I try to avoid 3rd party packages
[12:54] <mgedmin> I've had enough upgrade trouble with official ubuntu packages already; although so far I've managed to resolve everything without data loss
[12:54] <mgedmin> (the last 3rd-party package that wiped my data/configuration was jenkins; luckily I had a backup)
[12:55] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, This happens for non 3rd-party as well, though. around UB 19 for example about 5GB of manually installed software (from repos) was removed during upgrade
[12:55] <DarkTrick> stuff like mousepad or libreoffice
[12:55] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, why would that happen? why would 3rd party SW whipe folders?
[12:56] <mgedmin> buggy scritps
[12:58] <DarkTrick> Back to topic: if I remove apache2, the error vanishes
[12:58] <DarkTrick> if I reinstall, the error appears again...
[12:59] <DarkTrick> SOLVED
[12:59] <DarkTrick> purge apache2, reinstall, clean
[13:00] <mgedmin> cool
[13:00] <DarkTrick> hmm.. strange stuff... next time I'll try LXC
[13:01] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, thank you very much for taking so much time and effort for helping!
[13:02] <mgedmin> do install etckeeper, it's nice
[13:02] <mgedmin> works out of the box, no need to set up or learn git or anything, it starts taking snapshots of /etc files daily and whenever you apt install/remove packages
[13:02] <mgedmin> you can learn git later, when you need to investigate when and why some config files disappeared
[13:03] <mgedmin> (or apt install tig and use a pretty ncurses history viewer)
[13:03] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, I will definitely take a look at that!
[13:33] <varaindemian> can I make an iso file out of my entire disk so that I can later use to restore my system (in case it breaks)?
[13:38] <varaindemian> anyone?
[13:39] <DarkTrick> varaindemian, I'd guess it should work, but I've never tried. I'm using Acronis TrueImage...
[13:40] <varaindemian> DarkTrick: is it free?
[13:41] <DarkTrick> varaindemian, only if you connect a WesternDigital harddisk to your system
[13:44] <Maik> varaindemian: Disks also lets you create a image of the current install iirc and there's Clonezilla
[13:46] <jjakob> I tried to disable systemd-resolved and make dhclient update resolv.conf but I'm not having success
[13:46] <jjakob> https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu
[13:47] <jjakob> on 18.04, I tried the stopping resolved and restarting networking.service<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but resolv.conf still had <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:48] <jjakob> I'm not rebooting for this.
[13:48] <jjakob> that's just stupid
[13:49] <jjakob> also tried removing /etc/resolv.conf (which was a symlink to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf) but restarting resolvconf.service didn't recreate it
[13:50] <varaindemian> Guess I;ll stick with the timeshift
[13:51] <jjakob> varaindemian: you need to shut down the os or reboot into a live iso or the filesystem will be corrupted in the image
[13:51] <jjakob> if you want to keep it running you can't make a full disk image
[13:52] <jjakob> you can maybe make an image of a LVM snapshot, IF you have all filesystems on LVM and extra space to do the snapshots
[13:52] <jjakob> otherwise if you reboot into a live iso, use dd (possibly piped into some zstd -T0 or something fast like that)
[14:56] <vlm> When running a forground process over ssh and then one gets disconnected, what happens to that process then?
[14:57] <jjakob> fixed it. updoot https://askubuntu.com/a/1336755/1239619
[14:58] <jjakob> vlm: the process could crash if it depends on a controlling terminal, or it could continue running
[14:58] <cbreak> vlm: it get's killed by `SIGHUP` or so. At least traditionally.
[14:58] <cbreak> there's also `nohup`...
[14:59] <vlm> jjakob, so it could be it turn into a zombie process i would have to terminate or so if it crashes?
[14:59] <cbreak> you can start foreground processes like `screen` or `tmux` that won't be killed, because they spawn a background process to keep your stuff alive
[14:59] <jjakob> it wouldn't be a "zombie" process by the technical definition of that term
[15:00] <vlm> Thanks,  knew that though, i just wondered if i had to clean up some processes that is just laying around not doing much?
[15:00] <vlm> ^cbreak
[15:00] <jjakob> only you know which process you can kill
[15:02] <vlm> jjakob, i just wonder if i starr a forground process and i get disconnected if i need to go back clean it up or if its always sighup, say a program like you say crashes?
[15:03] <jjakob> depends on which process
[15:03] <jjakob> you can check yourself with ps
[15:07] <vlm> jjakob, thanks and also cbreak
[15:12] <ducasse> vlm: i always run tmux when i'm connected via ssh, so i can continue where i left off if i get disconnected
[15:13] <jjakob> ^ or screen or byobu but usually plain tmux
[15:14] <ducasse> yeah, i'm just used to plain tmux, and have a setup i like
[15:23] <olle> Any have any tips for right-hand alt-tab alternative?
[15:23] <olle> I have mouse arm from too much alt-tab/ctrl-a (screen)
[15:27] <cbreak> you could use home, end, pgup, pgdown...
[15:28] <olle> cbreak: You know how to map it? xorg something?
[15:28] <olle> Maybe I'll use the windows key for it. or alt-gr
[15:28] <cbreak> not really. I think there's a keyboard setting dialog in the ubuntu settings
[15:29] <cbreak> but considering the non-uniformity of linux overall, half the programs will probably not honor it
[15:31] <olle> hm
[15:31] <olle> gonna googla around a little
[15:39] <ducasse> olle: another solution would be to use something like rofi for window switching, bind that to whatever you want
[15:40] <ducasse> maybe not as elegant, but what i use with i3
[15:40] <olle> ducasse: what's rofi?
[15:40] <olle> I'm using cwm from openbsd now
[15:40] <ducasse> it's in the repos
[15:40] <olle> got it
[15:41] <ducasse> it's a launcher that also does window switching and ssh
[15:41] <olle> ah
[15:41] <ducasse> 'rofi -show window'
[15:42] <jjakob> dwm also doesn't require you use alt-tab
[15:46] <lordcirth> What could cause glances / htop to report 8% CPU steal on a bare-metal machine?
[15:48] <wedr> Is there even a way to map a WinKey to any other keys in Ubuntu 20.04 vanilla?
[15:48] <wedr> In the end, I had to resort to using CTRL+1, CTRL+2, and CTRL+3 to map to stuffs.
[15:54] <lordcirth> wedr, do you mean setting a shortcut, or an actual key remap?
[15:54] <lordcirth> It might be called Super
[15:55] <wedr> shortcut in general. I have some trouble with creating new WinKey key shortcuts.
[15:55] <wedr> I've heard in the past that Gnome doesn't want to map the ALT keys.
[15:56] <wedr> So any shortcut combinations using ALT keys are ignored by Gnome on a newly installed Ubuntu.
[15:56] <wedr> I wondered if that's a problem with WinKeys in general
[16:53] <dev4449> Hi. Good day. I have Ubuntu and windows 10 dual boot, after I shut down windows 10, the grub menu doesn't show up any more and the computer automatically boots into windows 10. If appreciate if you give me a clue on solving the problem.
[16:54] <TJ-> dev4449: Windows/firmware is set to do a 'Quick boot' directly into Windows.
[16:54] <ksynwa> dev4449: You can try disabling Fast Startup in Windows first
[16:55] <dev4449> I tried holding down the shift key while pressing on shutdown in windows, no luck. Okay, I'll try to disable fast startup
[16:56] <ksynwa> Hello all. I want to install Ubuntu 21.04 with zfs on root. But this guide says only to use 20.04: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2020.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html
[16:56] <ksynwa> Anyone knows if it's possible to install 21.04 minimal with zfs on root?
[17:03] <dev4449> TJ-, ksynwa, Is the fast startup feature causing the issue?
[17:11] <wxMichael> I installed updates on a clean install of Kubuntu (dual boot installed alongside Win10) and got the error "installed shim-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1"
[17:12] <wxMichael> When it tries to install shim-signed again I get "GRUB failed to install to /dev/sda5" which is my /boot/efi
[17:14] <wxMichael> what I found online suggested that the /boot/efi UUID was incorrect in /etc/fstab but it looks like it's correct
[17:14] <Entelin> I'm getting python exceptions running netplan:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tydmJ4N6wc/   though it does actually work and apply the secondary address, what is it complaining about?
[17:14] <Entelin> (included in the paste is my netplan config)
[17:29] <unimatrix9> hello all
[17:30] <unimatrix9> just a quick question, when i use xrandr to set some options, does it stay after reboot, or should i write i script to do that ?
[17:31] <unimatrix9> xrandr --output eDP-1 --transform 1,0,-1,0,1,-1,0,0,1
[17:37] <ioria> unimatrix9, you probably need a script
[17:37] <unimatrix9> ok , no problem , thanks
[17:37] <ioria> unimatrix9, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xrandr#Configuration
[17:39] <unimatrix9> cool script, thats the way to go ;)
[17:45] <unimatrix9> reboot , to see if it works
[17:46] <unimatrix9> its a bit quiet
[17:46] <unimatrix9> here
[17:46] <unimatrix9> thats alway's ?
[17:46] <Maik> unimatrix9: depends on the hours
[17:46] <Maik> but...
[17:46] <Maik> !ot
[17:47] <Maik> or
[17:47] <Maik> !discuss
[17:47] <Maik> so if you just want to chit chat about non support related stuff, head over there unimatrix9
[17:47] <unimatrix9> yeah i know, i just installed polari, irc chat, i thought there was something wrong with the software lol
[17:48] <unimatrix9> that i did not see any one chatting
[17:48] <unimatrix9> ok reboot time !
[17:48] <unimatrix9> bye
[17:54] <wxMichael> Anyone have any ideas on the grub error I'm getting?
[18:23] <sarnold> wxMichael: pastebin the apt output that showed the errors?
[18:56] <Ublx> hello, i am trying to set a button of a graphics tablet with 'xsetwacom' to a mouse button but it doesn't work: 'xsetwacom set [device] button 1 3' to set button 1 to the right mouse button does not work. could anybody help?
[19:00] <sarnold> Ublx: maybe xinput instead of xsetwacom?
[19:01] <Deano59> how can I format a hdd in ubuntu, delete every-thing (even if gpt) and format it to say like /dev/sdb1 instead of just /dev/sdb?
[19:02] <Deano59> fdisk refuses to work.
[19:02] <sarnold> Deano59: pastebin what you've done with fdisk?
[19:04] <wxMichael> sarnold: I uploaded the apt log from my grub issue: https://pastebin.com/9unrr0Xp
[19:05] <sarnold> wxMichael: cool, moment..
[19:05] <sarnold> grub-install: error: failed to register the EFI boot entry: Operation not permitted.
[19:05] <wxMichael> I think it's related to secure boot, but I don't see an option in my BIOS to actually disable it, only enable legacy compatibility
[19:05] <sarnold> wxMichael: ^^ I *think* that line often means that your BIOS rejects the operating system's attempt to change the boot order
[19:06] <Deano59> sarnold: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yyyn3vKb8n/ every-time I do it, it makes it 2tb instead of 3tb...
[19:08] <Deano59> sarnold: sda      8:0    0   2.7T  0 disk  └─sda1   8:1    0     2T  0 part
[19:08] <Deano59> where's the other 1tb gone to?
[19:08] <jeremy31> wxMichael: what about>  sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[19:09] <leftyfb> Deano59: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fdisk-unable-to-create-partition-greater-2tb.html#:~:text=Frankly%20speaking%2C%20you%20cannot,you%20need%20a%20large%20partition.
[19:09] <sarnold> Deano59: weird, I wonder why it chose dos instead of gpt -- try fdisk -c=nondos /dev/sda ?
[19:09] <leftyfb> sarnold: you can't use fdisk. You need something like sgdisk
[19:09] <sarnold> leftyfb: ew. I wish the manpage would say that. thanks.
[19:10] <wxMichael> this issue has me so confused lol. I just reran grub-install and it completed without error...?
[19:10] <leftyfb> sorry, gdisk, not sgdisk
[19:11] <leftyfb> sgdisk should also work though I think
[19:11] <sarnold> wxMichael: I'm confused too :)
[19:11] <sarnold> wxMichael: try sudo apt install -f  and see if it's got anything else to clean up?
[19:11] <wxMichael> nope XD
[19:12] <wxMichael> i'm sure ill get it again when it does something with shim-signed
[19:12] <sarnold> possibly :)
[19:20] <Deano59> thanks! see all of the 3TB now. thanks!
[19:55] <yn> i have a silly question; is Landscape on prem (the free version for only 10 machines) only available on Ubuntu 18.10 LTS? i'm trying to install it on Ubuntu 20.10 and i'm getting unmet dependencies hmmm
[20:01] <sarnold> yn: I'm pretty sure this is the newest version https://launchpad.net/~landscape/+archive/ubuntu/19.10/+packages -- and it's only got packages built for bionic and xenial
[20:03] <ducasse> yn: pretty sure it's only for lts releases
[20:04] <yn> hm
[20:05] <yn> isn't Focal (20.04) an LTS tho?
[20:05] <wxMichael> On a similar note, I've come across a lot of PPAs without hirsute. How long does it usually take for a new release to get general support
[20:05] <wxMichael> Almost every PPA I add doesn't have it :(
[20:06] <Maik> yn: 18.10 isn't a LTS neither is 20.10. 20.04 is a LTS though
[20:06] <yn> oh
[20:06] <yn> so Landscape just hasn't caught up on releases then?
[20:07] <sarnold> yn: yeah, I think it's been under-resourced for a long time
[20:07] <yn> it seems kind of weird i'd have to acquire an older LTS just to get Landscape to work
[20:07] <Maik> i'm not familiar with landscape but i guess it's for LTS releases only?
[20:08] <yn> Maik: if it was, there would be a Focal release, i'd imagine, but there doesn't exist one (yet)
[20:08] <Stoiss> Hi everyone. Uhm got a problem with wickrme. It gives me this:  Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-Fvdx4Z0BYj: No such file or directory
[20:08] <yn> sarnold: that makes sense
[20:09] <Stoiss> Ive tried so much to look up the errors on google but nothing useful came up to fix it
[20:09] <yn> anyone happen to know of an OSS alternative to Landscape that supports Ubuntu?
[20:11] <ducasse> closest you'll get is something like cockpit, afaik
[20:15] <sarnold> yn: I usually hear about ansible being used for fleet management tasks; what exactly are you hoping to get out of landscape?
[20:15] <Ublx> sarnold: okay, thanks. i did not know xinput yet.
[20:15] <yn> sarnold: mostly management of package updates
[20:15] <yn> sarnold: i'm kind of looking for something more like Spacewalk/Satellite
[20:16] <yn> from the RHEL world
[20:16] <Stoiss> Would anyone happen to know why WickrMe doesnt seem to be working anymore ? I get htis error: https://paste.linux.community/view/31b54ffa
[20:16] <sarnold> yn: I've heard of folks using aptly to manage their own repository, so they can test updates on a small pool of machines before rolling it out to all the others, but aptly's recently been abandoned by its author :(
[20:17] <yn> sarnold: ah, drats! lol that does sound useful tho, hmm
[20:17] <yn> sarnold: thanks for the help :)
[20:18] <sarnold> Stoiss: Ulovlig instruktion (SIGILL) (smed kerne)  -- this makes me think that you may have installed a binary package that uses CPU instructions that your processor doesn't support -- is this close to the truth?
[20:18] <bray90820> What kernal version does 21.04 come with my default?
[20:19] <bray90820> *By Default
[20:20] <tomreyn> bray90820: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image 21.04 is known as "hirsute"
[20:20] <Stoiss> sarnold, ah let me put it this way. WickrMe used to work. I usually do updates like a normal person and one day it just didnt work anymore
[20:21] <Stoiss> I would like to think that im fairly well versed in linux but i cant even really understand what this error really means in terms of how to fix it
[20:21] <tomreyn> bray90820: this wuld have been the right link https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic
[20:22] <bray90820> tomreyn Thanks
[20:22] <sarnold> Stoiss: it'd be worth finding which specific update did it and then ask them what changed in that release -- my *guess* is they went from supporting a 2006-era amd64 processor to supporting that specific processor, or something similar
[20:24] <Stoiss> This install is an upgrade from 19.10 to 21.04 and its not working. I also have one with a clean 21.04 and that one IS working.
[20:25] <sarnold> Stoiss: oh excellent, that gives you a chance to compare the /proc/cpuinfo from both machines and see what features might be missing
[20:26] <Stoiss> yeah. ill test that out when i can. I just found that theres some updates such as the base ubuntu that isnt updated
[20:26] <Stoiss> so that might actually hopefully fix it.
[20:26] <Stoiss> the update-manager -d did list some updates that wasnt in the regular apt-get upgrade
[20:27] <Stoiss> ill just reboot and see if that did anything.
[20:28] <sarnold> woo, good luck :)
[20:33] <Stoiss> sarnold, nope that didnt work. Why does it say it cant connect to accessability bus ? Its like its looking for files that apparently dont exist here.
[20:35] <sarnold> Stoiss: bummer
[20:35] <sarnold> Stoiss: the accessability bus stuff sounds a bit like at-spi2-core isn't installed, or isn't running, etc
[20:36] <sarnold> Stoiss: I don't actually know the a11y stuff very well :( I thought many programs would handle not having it by just not supporting a11y features; my guess is this isn't related to the SIGILL that you're getting
[20:40] <Stoiss> sarnold, thanks ill just try installing that
[21:41] <mattfly> any idea why redshift is not working even though it is active...
[21:41] <mattfly> i dont see nothing or syslog, not sure how to throubleshoot it
[21:43] <lordcirth> mattfly, did you set your location?
[21:43] <mattfly> oh running redshift -P -O 4000 works
[21:43] <mattfly> lordcirth: no but i just want to have it adjusting each time
[21:44] <mattfly> fixed times
[21:44] <mattfly> manually
[21:44] <mattfly> what is the... normal temperature...
[21:46] <DarkTrick> When I shutdown my computer, it "hangs" at `crash report submission daemon`, which results in a 1.5minute waiting time until down. (1) How can I check what's the problem? (2) How can I enable a "force shutdown" in that state?
[21:46] <lordcirth> mattfly, 6500K IIRC
[21:48] <Bashing-om> DarkTrick: Any files to that effect in /var/crash/ ?
[21:49] <DarkTrick> Bashing-om, hm.. vscode_extensions_ms-python...
[21:50] <mattfly> ok my problem is that redshift-gtk is not working. I see a /usr/bin/redshift -v process
[21:51] <DarkTrick> Bashing-om, oh, and `easystroke`
[21:52] <DarkTrick> Bashing-om, looks like the programs I didn't close before `shutdown` crashed and Ubuntu wanted to report them immediately
[21:53] <DarkTrick> I would actually make this a bug report ("Ubuntu should not try to upload crashes during shutdown phase"). Objections?
[21:57] <Bashing-om> DarkTrick: In any undecided instance one can always submit a bug report.
[22:01] <wxMichael> I keep getting this kdeinit5 crash https://pastebin.com/YzjPpb4t
[22:10] <sarnold> wxMichael: you could install the dbg or dbgsym packages, if there are any, and hopefully get some functions involved in that crash
[22:12] <sarnold> wxMichael: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages may help
[22:26] <wxMichael> I ran " find-dbgsym-packages /usr/bin/kdeinit5 " and got a list of packages, but they failed to install :( https://pastebin.com/U8wsqKwr
[22:26] <daum> hi all i'm in the process of upgrading from 16 to 18 (on 18 now) but i am getting: a libssl-dev problem : https://dpaste.com/HD8TAUAMB
[22:26] <daum> any idea how i resolve this issue
[22:27] <Bashing-om> !info libssl-dev/bionic-updates bionic
[22:28] <daum> so should i just apt purge libssl-dev ?
[22:28] <Bashing-om> DarkTrick: wait let me try again ^ .
[22:28] <Bashing-om> !info libssl-dev bionic
[22:30] <Bashing-om> daum: So, what results ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt install libssl-dev ' ?
[22:31] <daum> it kept fialing just got it by forcing the version to 1.1.1-1ubuntu2.1~18.04.9
[22:31] <daum> now release upgrade will let me continue
[22:31] <daum> thank you
[22:32] <sarnold> daum: you may have best results to ppa-purge ondrej's ppa before going further
[22:32] <sarnold> daum: alternatively, a fresh install might work
[22:33] <daum> sarnold, ha good call!
[22:43] <Zerock> I'm attempting to install ubuntu server on a machine with an AMD graphics card. On boot, it tries to set up a framebuffer on the graphics card and hangs forever. Is there an alternative download that has proper drivers for this?
[23:19] <daum> hm now i'm getting unlucky with stunnel; SL_connect: ../ssl/statem/statem_lib.c:1941: error:1425F102:SSL routines:ssl_choose_client_version:unsupported protocol after my upgrade any ideas how to fix that
[23:22] <sarnold> daum: I can probably track down something to show how to weaken the allowed ciphers
[23:23] <daum> sarnold, thank you
[23:23] <sarnold> daum: take a look at comment 4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1899878
[23:24] <sarnold> daum: that shows the rough framework on how to allow openssl to use weaker protocols and ciphers; it might not work perfectly for you but probably is the general gist of what'snecessary
[23:25] <daum> hmm ok so i would need to put that in the ssl the system is using i would think
[23:26] <sarnold> does it generally need to talk to older systems that can't be upgraded to more modern tls?
[23:26] <sarnold> if so, that might make the most sense, yeah


[14:34] <cpaelzer> slyon: I'll have a conflict with the MIR meeting today, would you be available and able to run the meeting through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess?action=show&redirect=MIRTeam#MIR_Team_weekly_status_meeting ?
[14:38] <cpaelzer> sarnold: jamespage: didrocks: joalif: ^^ FYI in case one of you could take over today
[14:52] <slyon> cpaelzer: yes I can do that!
[14:53] <cpaelzer> thank you
[15:29] <slyon> sarnold: jamespage: didrocks: joalif: pre-MIR meeting ping
[15:29] <joalif> o/
[15:29] <jamespage> o/
[15:30] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:30:13 UTC.  The chair is slyon.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[15:30] <slyon> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:30] <slyon> c_paelzer is out today. I do not see any open action items from last week.
[15:31] <slyon> The github PR to improve the wiki has been merged.
[15:31] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[15:31] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:31] <didrocks> hey
[15:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:31] <slyon> let's have a look at the -release componen mismatches
[15:32] <slyon> seems mostly known to me. libreoffice->epiphany-browser is a false positive IIRC, right didrocks?
[15:32] <didrocks> slyon: indeed
[15:33] <slyon> ok. and seb128 wanted to have another look at suitesparse->suitesparse-graphblas
[15:33] <slyon> (LP: #1957050)
[15:33] <didrocks> that’s correct, I’ll reask him for updates
[15:33] <slyon> other than that nothing new in there.
[15:33] <slyon> thanks
[15:33] <slyon> on to -proposed
[15:34] <sarnold> good morning
[15:34] <slyon> jamespage: is working on python-cheroot and doing some more investigation, thanks for that, keep us posted on LP: #1930111
[15:35] <slyon> python-xmlschema is waiting for security review I think, we'll get to the security updates later
[15:35] <slyon> all the other seem to be known/old/false positives
[15:35] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[15:36] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:36] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:36] <slyon> There's one new MIR to be reviewed: bug #1964600
[15:36] <slyon> do we have any volunteers?
[15:36] <didrocks> yeah, sounds like this will go in my realm…
[15:36] <joalif> I can take it
[15:37] <didrocks> oh, please :)
[15:37] <slyon> how about joalif doing the initial work and didrocks doublechecking and giving feedback?
[15:37] <joalif> didrocks: you can have it ofc if you want
[15:37] <didrocks> sounds like a plan, joalif, if you need any help, just ping me!
[15:37] <joalif> ok
[15:37] <slyon> thank you o/
[15:38] <joalif> sure
[15:38] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:38] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:38] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:38] <slyon> let's see, we have an update on cherrypy3 and rustc
[15:38] <slyon> bug ##link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:38] <slyon> err
[15:39] <slyon> bug #1930111
[15:39] <slyon> oh that was already discussed earlier and is an ongoing investigation
[15:39] <slyon> bug #1957932
[15:40] <slyon> This just got a new update as of 2 min ago
[15:40] <sarnold> hah, sbeattie has good timing :)
[15:41] <slyon> OK, looks like it is progressing, but some more security provided more feedback to work on
[15:41] <slyon> so let's keep that as incomplete
[15:41] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[15:41] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[15:41] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:42] <sarnold> the security team had a sprint last week, basically no progress was made
[15:42] <slyon> that was quick :) let's move on
[15:42] <sarnold> I've resumed looking at swtpm this week, so far so good
[15:42] <slyon> ah ok. any more updates?
[15:42] <sarnold> I think that's it
[15:42] <slyon> ok thank you for keeping us posted
[15:42] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[15:43] <didrocks> nothing for me
[15:43] <sarnold> nothing from me
[15:43] <joalif> nothing
[15:43] <slyon> looks like I was able to get through quicker this time :) – so everybody get's back 15 min!
[15:43] <slyon> thank you all!
[15:43] <slyon> #endmeeting
[15:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:43:58 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-03-15-15.30.moin.txt
[15:44] <didrocks> thanks slyon, all
[15:44] <sarnold> woot, thanks slyon, all :)
[15:44] <joalif> thanks all o/
[16:22] <cpaelzer> thanks for looking at swtpm sarnold ! personally (just for me) this is the last big thing to make 22.04 :-)
[16:22] <cpaelzer> thanks slyon to lead this
[16:22] <slyon> cpaelzer: o/
[16:59] <sarnold> cpaelzer :D


[09:14] <jamey3> I've just cleaned up an Ubuntu wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[09:14] <jamey3> I couldn't find many guidelines for writing style and so on, so I just made it more concise and renamed the page for correctness.
[09:14] <jamey3> Is that okay?
[09:17] <ogra> jamey3, you should probably ask in #ubuntu-doc ;)
[09:18] <jamey3> i did, no response!
[09:18] <jamey3> i really just want to know what the acceptable norm is
[09:19] <ogra> no idea, thats what the docteam is for :)
[09:21] <jamey3> :P
[09:21] <jamey3> is everyone really busy atm with ubuntu stuff then?
[09:22] <ogra> yup, 3 weeks to release
[09:25] <jamey3> i can't wait
[11:00] <rejden> re
[11:04] <rejden> can anyone answer me few questions about setuping LoCoTeam?
[11:24] <JanC> rejden: there is a contact address for that on the site IIRC?
[11:26] <JanC> and a mailing list
[11:26] <JanC> oh, and maybe ask "smurf"  :)
[11:28] <rejden> JanC, yes mailing list but i want some quick info
[11:28] <rejden> ok, i'll try to contact him :)
[11:29] <rejden> JanC, btw the site is somehow confusing me ;/
[11:31] <JanC> did you see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[11:33] <rejden> yes
[11:33] <rejden> somehow i created page in wiki
[11:33] <rejden> :)
[11:34] <rejden> actually i'm using qwiki for my opensource group so i'm a bit familiar with it
[11:35] <JanC> Matthias Urlichs = smurf
[11:35] <JanC> like that wiki page says, he approves LoCo teams
[11:38] <JanC> so we'll have a Slovak LoCo team in the near future...  :-)
[11:39] <rejden> hehe
[11:39] <rejden> actually is kinda hack cos my opensource interest in slovakia govermnent and school sector need decent linux distrubution
[11:39] <rejden> so i choosed ubuntu cos i'm kinda new to it but i like it :P
[11:41] <JanC> I just gave an ubuntu CD to a member of the IT team of a Belgian city that's looking into the option of using linux instead of windows  :-)
[11:42] <JanC> hope he likes it too  :-)
[11:42] <rejden> hehe
[11:42] <rejden> he should
[11:44] <JanC> they already use debian on their servers, and he was going to test debian as a desktop OS, so I gave a small promo talk about ubuntu  :)
[11:44] <rejden> i want to do the same
[11:44] <rejden> but we need i18n first
[11:44] <rejden> ;)
[11:45] <JanC> I think many programs are translated already?
[11:45] <rejden> some of them, actually slovak openoffice team is under my group too
[11:45] <rejden> which is good horse ;)
[11:46] <JanC> I'm part of the dutch translation team of ubuntu and I also (help) translate some other programs
[11:47] <JanC> (about 60% of Belgians speak Dutch)
[11:47] <rejden> that's nice
[11:48] <rejden> dutch country have also some more influence on belgium :P
[11:49] <JanC> ?
[11:50] <JanC> I don't understand what you mean by that...
[11:51] <JanC> btw: is there a lot of difference between cz & sk language?
[11:53] <rejden> in grammar a lot
[11:54] <rejden> JanC, i ment smoking weed :)
[11:54] <JanC> ah
[11:54] <rejden> JanC, but we need slovak i18n for goverment and schools
[11:54] <rejden> for people it doesnt matter if it's slovak or czech
[11:55] <JanC> smoking weed is more or less allowed in Belgium too   ;)
[11:55] <rejden> czech people have problem understanding slovak (hearing or reading) mainly the younger kinds
[11:55] <rejden> JanC, good for you, we have penaltys and actually 50% of population don't give a f*ck
[11:56] <JanC> well, it's still illegal, but it's official "lowest priority" if you do it in private and don't involve minors
[11:57] <JanC> "lowest priority" means that they have too much work with other things already
[11:57] <rejden> here is somehow tolerated but you must watch yourself, i get caught few times by police and they just did the blablabla bububu things but left me alone
[11:57] <rejden> i mainly smoke at home so that's safe
[11:57] <JanC> yeah, something like that, only it's semi-official here
[11:58] <JanC> you know, even in The Netherlands it's still legally forbidden...
[11:58] <rejden> dunno, i didn't saw the law there
[11:59] <rejden> in austria you can buy young weed plants, they are legal until they don't have THC
[12:00] <JanC> In the Netherlands they collect taxes (VAT) on weed sales that are legally forbidden  ;-)
[12:00] <rejden> lol


[12:49] <mup> Bug #1887379 opened: [feature] Allow option for machines to automatically commission from the "enlisting" phase <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887379>
[12:52] <mup> Bug #1887379 changed: [feature] Allow option for machines to automatically commission from the "enlisting" phase <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887379>
[13:04] <mup> Bug #1887379 opened: [feature] Allow option for machines to automatically commission from the "enlisting" phase <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887379>
[13:16] <mup> Bug #1887384 opened: [feature] Allow user to provide separate storage location for images through GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887384>
[18:31] <mup> Bug #1887250 changed: LXD machine failed testing <lxd> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887250>
[21:07] <mup> Bug #1887436 opened: [feature] MAAS should populate the power parameter mac_address during enlistment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887436>
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1887436 changed: [feature] MAAS should populate the power parameter mac_address during enlistment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887436>
[21:13] <mup> Bug #1887436 opened: [feature] MAAS should populate the power parameter mac_address during enlistment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887436>
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1887436 changed: [feature] MAAS should populate the power parameter mac_address during enlistment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887436>
[21:22] <mup> Bug #1887436 opened: [feature] MAAS should populate the power parameter mac_address during enlistment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887436>
[21:25] <mup> Bug #1887436 changed: [feature] MAAS should populate the power parameter mac_address during enlistment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887436>
[21:31] <mup> Bug #1887436 opened: [feature] MAAS should populate the power parameter mac_address during enlistment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887436>


[14:35] <arosales> urulama: not a critical bug, but one I hit again today https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1499857
[14:35] <mup> Bug #1499857: juju-gui did not allow add-relation and "freezes"  <juju-gui:Triaged by uros-jovanovic> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499857>
[14:36]  * arosales wanted to swap MariaDB for MySQL in this bundle https://jujucharms.com/apache-analytics-sql/16
[14:38] <arosales> but hit the bug above. I can do this in a live environment, just now in the in-browser memory. Let me know if you need any more info from me. Again not super critical as I can do this in a live environment, but for those wanting to create bundles in the in-browser gui it is a limiting factor.
[14:39] <urulama> arosales: kk, will check. hope it's just a browser cache issue
[14:39] <arosales> urulama: thanks, and not a blocker or anything just one I ran into again
[14:41] <urulama> arosales: which zabbix? server, agent, frontend?
[14:41] <urulama> arosales: nevermind, found zabbix :)
[14:42] <arosales> ok :-)
[14:42] <urulama> arosales: confirmed, we'll look into it. thanks
[14:43] <arosales> urulama: thanks, no rush just wanted to post here on my recent findings
[15:58] <urulama> stokachu: did you write the juju search stuff?
[16:32] <stokachu> urulama: yea
[16:33] <rick_h_> stokachu: love the recent juju impact with the interview/post and such. <3
[16:34] <stokachu> rick_h_: np! it's been fun writing them


[08:37] <guiverc> sat evening (my local), no uwn summary email etc.  if too few articles, historically doc indicates two-week edition...  tsimonq2?
[14:22] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Nope, I just haven't done it yet
[14:22] <tsimonq2> But I will shortly
[19:30] <tsimonq2> Working on it now
[19:30] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Your formatting was a bit off, please see my correction :)