[12:12] <cellofellow> cox377: ubuntu's firewall is configured to open all ports, even though it is running.
[12:13] <dom> exactly, intelikey.  i haven't setup flash on my machine and I don't miss it at all.  but I'm hardly a "mainstream" user
[12:13] <hektik> flash is pretty popular and needed for web surfing
[12:13] <cox377> cellofellow: ok cool, so whats "ps -A | grep sshd" about?
[12:13] <hektik> hrm.. my install is lagging at select a disk
[12:13] <cellofellow> cox377: it will show some output if sshd is running.
[12:13] <hektik> hourglass is just going
[12:13] <Bubba_Gump> flash imo, is only really needed for advertising and naff youtube videos
[12:13] <cox377> cellofellow: it doesnt show anything so i assume it hasnt started
[12:14] <|lostbyte|> When will flash 9 for linux be out ?
[12:14] <Bubba_Gump> flash 9 beta is already available
[12:14] <hektik> well if you dont know, youtube is a very popular site, thus meaning alot of people watch it and require flash to do so
[12:14] <dom> flash is definitely popular, but I wouldn't say it's required.  For basic "doing things", Java is a bigger problem then flash (in my experience)
[12:14] <dg6e74> im back if your still around
[12:14] <cellofellow> cox377: open the system services module in System Settings, become root, and make sure that sshd is set to start with runlevel 3
[12:14] <dom> required for "entertainment" purposes, but that's what automatix is for anyhow
[12:14] <cellofellow> cox377: if it isn't just set it to, and also start it.
[12:15] <intelikey> if the license agreement says "no more than one backup copy" i simply say, NO!   and move on.
[12:15] <cellofellow> cox377: the system services thing is a frontent to init
[12:15] <hektik> this konversation crap has too many colors in it
[12:15] <cellofellow> hektik: you can change that, it's linux.
[12:15] <Bubba_Gump> the best thing i've helped myself to do is easily distance my browser from the youtube sites and enjoy life with greater things...
[12:15] <michael___> Installing java now :-) thank U - I think it will work now !!!!
[12:15] <cox377> cellofellow: shall do now, thanks for the help - 2 secs
[12:16] <intelikey> seriously.  if you are required to agree to a leagle contract that you know you have no intention of keeping why even use their **** ?
[12:16] <mrkris> hello, wondering if i'm just slow or does kopete fail at fetching your older buddylist and importing like gaim does
[12:16] <hektik> i know, im on the kubuntu live cd right now so its not important right now
[12:16] <intelikey> just say   NO !
[12:17] <shiv> Whats wrong with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29622/ I get 0x7 error when trying to load windows from grub. Please help
[12:17] <cellofellow> intelikey: cause the chances of getting caught are very slim. I think.
[12:17] <cox377> cellofellow: working now ; )
[12:17] <intelikey> cellofellow you are caught already.
[12:17] <hektik> scanning disk hangs at 50%. any idea ?
[12:17] <intelikey> cellofellow getting caught has nothing to do with it.
[12:18] <cox377> did someone mention a graphical interface using fish?
[12:18] <intelikey> cellofellow you purger your self each time you do that.   it may not make you any differance if you are a lier or not.  but it does me.
[12:18] <cellofellow> cox377: when you use ssh, the -X option enables X forwarding. If you ssh from one Linux box to another, with the -X option set, you can run a graphical program and it'll run
[12:19] <cellofellow> cox377: not fish, that's like a remote filesystem. -X makes that work.
[12:19] <cox377> cellofellow: do i enable the X forwarding through the ssh front end?
[12:19] <dg6e74> im tring to get this setup to work internet>nic(linux)nic>nic(windows) to work i get to the internet to work on the linux box but thats it
[12:20] <cellofellow> cox377: ssh -X user@host will work. when you get the ssh shell, type a graphical program and the X protocol is tunneled over the ssh connection,
[12:20] <cellofellow> dg6e74: you're using the linux box as a gateway>
[12:20] <cellofellow> ?
[12:20] <dg6e74> yes
[12:20] <cellofellow> hmmmm
[12:21] <cellofellow> never tried that.
[12:21] <mycket> dg6e74: squid?
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: how far are you? can the windows machine ping the linux machine?
[12:21] <dg6e74> i doubt it
[12:21] <intelikey> cellofellow  linux box as a gateway is pretty common
[12:21] <cellofellow> intelikey: I know, I was just backing out cause I don't know how.
[12:22] <sinbad44> hey guys what do i type in under 'host' box in kmail account setup ?
[12:22] <intelikey> oh
[12:22] <sinbad44> using pop
[12:22] <cellofellow> intelikey: I think my routers have linux under the hood.
[12:22] <intelikey> probably or unix
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: on linux you will need to enable ip masquerading for the ip the windows machine is on, and enable forwarding. See the /etc/sysctl.conf file to enable forwarding. And iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s [windows IP]  -j MASQUERADE
[12:23] <|lostbyte|> sinbad44, the host that pop is under.
[12:23] <sinbad44> wat is a host ? u mean like prtc.net ?
[12:23] <sinbad44> my isp?
[12:23] <cellofellow> sinbad44: whatever your email provider says. like gmail is pop.gmail.com
[12:23] <intelikey> sinbad44 the ip of your mail host
[12:23] <dg6e74> i tried that
[12:23] <|lostbyte|> sinbad44, like, pop3.mymailhost.com
[12:23] <dg6e74> and i just lost my connection
[12:23] <sinbad44> ahh ok
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: editing the sysctl.conf for forwarding will turn on forwarding when you boot, to enable it now run sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[12:23] <sinbad44> pop3. ...
[12:23] <sinbad44> cool
[12:23] <cellofellow> sinbad44: look on your email providers website for pop instructions. they're all different.
[12:24] <intelikey> sinbad44 or in many cases   mail.<your_isp>.com
[12:24] <dg6e74> ok i did that
[12:24] <dg6e74> should i force the windows box to have a specific or leave it on auto
[12:24] <intelikey> it's pretty common to see    mail.isp.ext + smtp.isp.ext
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: unless you are going to setup a dhcp server on linux then set your windows machine to static IP.
[12:25] <cellofellow> dg6e74: unless you set up dnsmasq or BIND, use a static IP on the windows box.
[12:25] <intelikey> for pop3 accounts that is ^
[12:25] <cellofellow> BIND = DHCP
[12:25] <cellofellow> oops
[12:25] <dg6e74> like <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:25] <yonkeltron> if i have a python module installed and it's suddenly no longer importable, what could that mean?
[12:25] <cellofellow> anything will work that's not <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:26] <cellofellow> in the 192.168.0.* range
[12:26] <dg6e74> done
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: okay, now try to ping the linux IP. That's <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:26] <cellofellow> dg6e74: you need to set the second nic on the linux box to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:27] <dg6e74> ok i will
[12:27] <dg6e74> well did that already
[12:27] <dg6e74> gonna ping
[12:27] <hektik> anyone know why install hangs at select a disk ? (no disks to choose from)
[12:28] <dg6e74> request timed out
[12:28] <cellofellow> hektik: that sounds like a recurring proble, but I upgraded from dapper, so I dunno.
[12:28] <intelikey> "<cellofellow> anything will work that's not <IP_ADDRESS>"   mmmm no   192.172.*.* is also reserved for local use
[12:28] <hektik> this is kubuntu 6.10
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: both machines are set in the 192.168.0.X range?
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> hektik, kubuntu.com
[12:28] <cellofellow> intelikey: oh, I'll have to remember that.
[12:29] <hektik> kubuntu.com what ?
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> hektik, yes.
[12:29] <dg6e74> linux-<IP_ADDRESS> windows <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> :)
[12:29] <hektik> what about it ?
[12:29] <intelikey> err did i just hose that.   172.*.*.*
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: and both netmask <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, 172.16, and 10.
[12:29] <dg6e74> yes
[12:29] <intelikey> anyway there is another reserved block
[12:30] <cellofellow> intelikey: isn't it 10.*.*.*, 172.something.*.*, and 192.168.0.*? depending on the network size? class A, B, and C nets?
[12:30] <|lostbyte|> hektik, Did you check the md5sum of the iso..
[12:30] <hektik> lol
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> for reference - private IP's = http://www.duxcw.com/faq/network/privip.htm
[12:30] <hektik> their is nothing wrong with the iso...
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: do you have a crossover cable?
[12:31] <intelikey> yeah  192.168.* , 172.16.*  and 10.*   there ya go
[12:31] <dg6e74> yes
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> sry, gotta run out for a bit. dg6e74, don't know why that's not working at this point, everything sounds right - you sure you don't have eth0, eth1 mixed up?
[12:32] <dg6e74> i have my internet on etho 1
[12:32] <dg6e74> should put the internet on etho0
[12:33] <intelikey> and any private is repetable,  can be used on any non-internet network
[12:36] <cox377> what does everyone think the successrate on upgrading to 6.10 from 6.0.6 is? in terms of % is there a lot of failures or???
[12:36] <intelikey> Also, IP addresses in the range of <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS> are reserved for Automatic Private IP Addressing.   meaning you shouldn't use them as static ip's even on a private network.
[12:37] <intelikey> cox377 of doing that without any errors   5% maybe ?    without any major or unrecoverable errors 85% maybe....
[12:38] <intelikey> depends on whether you classify breaking xorg.conf as major or not.  it's certenly recoverable.
[12:44] <klerfayt> hey why does kde's own transparency stuff feel faster with latest nvidia beta drivers?
[12:44] <Ranma2264> Does anyone have an intel 537ep modem?
[12:46] <Kubu> how can i see the temperatura of my CPU?
[12:47] <intelikey> i'm having issues with fuser.  it's kernel related.   it seems that mozilla-suite uses a line "P=`fuser /dev/dsp 2>&1 | sed -e 's#^/dev/dsp:##' `" which hangs the launching of mozilla-suite with this specific kernel.  anyone brave enough to tackle that ?
[12:49] <sinbad44> i still cant get website background color to dark using Konqueror !
[12:49] <sinbad44> wat gives
[12:49] <intelikey> Kubu one way would be wmsensors - WindowMaker dock applet for lmsensors
[12:49] <BluesKaj> strange , installing flashplayer thru adept , removes the FF flash plugin
[12:50] <BluesKaj> doesn't solve the no play prob tho
[12:50] <klerfayt> BluesKaj: no play?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> flashplayer won't kick in on siyes that use it
[12:51] <BluesKaj> sites
[12:51] <sinbad44> is the konqueror browser not particularly recommended in here or ?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> some like konk , some don't ...just a mater of taste i think
[12:52] <intelikey> konqueror is default in kubuntu
[12:53] <klerfayt> BluesKaj: you should try latest beta flashplayer 9
[12:54] <Tokeiito> good evening
[12:54] <klerfayt> BluesKaj: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[12:56] <Tokeiito> i have problem with taskjuggler installation/deinstallation. i've tryed evrything: apt-get remove, apt-get install -f, dpkg --remove, dpkg --purge but always i'm geting error: dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1; How can i remove that packet?
[12:58] <sinbad44> how come Konqueror doesnt have site background color control ???
[12:58] <Tokeiito> this is full error code: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29630/
[12:58] <sinbad44> does it suck ?
[12:58] <intelikey> it doesn't ?
[12:58] <sinbad44> doesnt look like it
[12:58] <intelikey> sinbad44 are you sure ?
[12:59] <sinbad44> well ive been trying to get it to use dark site backgrounds since yesterday, no luck
[01:01] <sinbad44> i really hate to have to use mozilla browser on kubuntu
[01:01] <intelikey> Tokeiito you could force that.
[01:01] <Tokeiito> i've tryed
[01:01] <Tokeiito> no luck
[01:01] <sinbad44> since im assuming Konqueror is more secure than mozilla
[01:03] <sinbad44> darn, so this means i have to wear my darned sunglasses just to read browser text on kubuntu darn darn darn
[01:03] <flaccid> hehe why
[01:03] <Hawkwind> sinbad44: Konqueror isn't anymore secure than mozilla or any other browser out there.  Use what *you* like and what is comfortable to you
[01:03] <sinbad44> cuz white backgrounds destroys my eyes
[01:03] <intelikey> Tokeiito try this as root. "  mv /bin/touch . ln -s /bin/true /bin/touch ;apt-get install -f ;rm /bin/touch mv touch /bin  "     it's a hack it ugly it's bad and not recommended.   the ubuntu team would frown on it.  but it will probably work.
[01:04] <flaccid> right... dont see how browser makes a difference there
[01:04] <Tokeiito> thank you
[01:05] <sinbad44> Hawk, well im hoping that Konqueror atleast doesnt have any NSA code embedded like mozilla & IE do since the late 90s
[01:05] <Hawkwind> LOL @ NSA code
[01:05] <intelikey> " mv /bin/touch . ln -s /bin/true /bin/touch ;apt-get install -f ;rm /bin/touch ;mv touch /bin  "
[01:05] <sinbad44> since Konqueror IS open source, right ?
[01:05] <intelikey> Tokeiito ^
[01:05] <Hawkwind> If you're worried about NSA, then there are bigger issues than choosing a browser
[01:06] <intelikey> so you could just copy and paste it.
[01:06] <Tokeiito> mhm
[01:06] <sinbad44> open source security is the WHOLE reason im even bothering to try to learn kubuntu os
[01:07] <flaccid> there is no need to be worried
[01:07] <flaccid> browser security is only an issue with MSIE
[01:08] <sinbad44> duh
[01:09] <sinbad44> netscape mozilla has the same govt spying code as IE does
[01:09] <exhale> :|
[01:09] <sinbad44> ken poulsen confirmed that back in late 98
[01:09] <intelikey> actually the security is not browser/network side, it's kernel side.  i.e. the permissions bits on the inodes.
[01:10] <jel> sinbad44: konqueror does have a better technique for avoiding popups.  Lacks the latest generation of encryption, which some online banks use.  Has some good options which let you control your security and privacy on a per-site basis.  I like it.
[01:10] <purpleposeidon> sinbad: yeah, it's that malicious 'if' statement. Ever wonder what i.f. stands for? That's right.
[01:10] <jel> sinbad44: what spying code?
[01:10] <dude> guys, can you suggest a acd audio creator
[01:11] <dude> guys, can you suggest a cd audio creator
[01:11] <jel> dude: kaudiocreator
[01:11] <sinbad44> jel, just some code snippets that poulsen found & published like 8 years ago
[01:11] <intelikey> cdw
[01:11] <jel> dude: or k3b, if you mean to make a new audio cd?
[01:12] <dude> jel: yes
[01:13] <fdoving> good nite.
[01:17] <starpause> i've got an error on step 4 of the KubuntuUpgrade wiki ... i've checked my sources list ... here's the error ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[01:19] <ut2004> can someone help me im tring to set up my linux box as a gateway using 2 nic cards
[01:25] <ricardo_> hello
[01:26] <ut2004> hello
[01:29] <cellofellow> ut2004: there was someone asking about that about an hour ago
[01:30] <ut2004> ,e
[01:30] <ut2004> me*
[01:30] <cellofellow> starpause: you should run the apt-get -f install. -f meens fix.
[01:30] <cellofellow> ut2004: oh
[01:30] <ut2004> different irc client
[01:31] <cellofellow> starpause: and install the kubuntu-deskop metapackage
[01:31] <ut2004> i got windows to say connected but cant ping the linux box
[01:32] <cellofellow> ut2004: is the windows box connected directly to the linux box? no hub or switch in between?
[01:33] <ut2004> yes with crossover cable
[01:33] <ut2004> i dont think i set something up right on the linux box
[01:33] <shadowhywind> hay all, Where are power options located at. My monitor keeps turning off after like 15 mins. I have checked the screensaver and power options in Monitor & Display. Are there any other locations?
[01:34] <cellofellow> I've had good luck with dnsmasq as a dns forwarder/server and dhcp server.
[01:34] <Zoohouse> What is the name of that feature that KDE has of downloading extra stuff... Hot New Items or something like that..
[01:34] <starpause> cellofellow: i did run apt-get -f install, that's part of my error paste
[01:34] <cellofellow> starpause: oh
[01:34] <cellofellow> ut2004: I've had good luck with dnsmasq as a dns forwarder/server and dhcp server.
[01:35] <ut2004> ok
[01:35] <ut2004> how do use it
[01:35] <Zoohouse> Hot New Stuff I think it is called... How do I open that app?
[01:36] <cellofellow> ut2004: you install, duh, and enable in init. it has once little config file. /etc/dnsmasq.conf. it'll ive dynamic ip's with dhcp, not by default though, and will forward dns requests.
[01:36] <starpause> cellofellow: and here's what happens when i try to install the kubuntu-desktop package http://rafb.net/paste/results/U3O91L46.html
[01:37] <cellofellow> starpause: weird, it says that it has to install xorg but you must already have that.
[01:38] <starpause> cellofellow: yeah, something is totally hosed :) any other ideas?
[01:38] <ut2004> can you walk me through setting this up
[01:39] <gravygoat> Are there any cups gurus logged in at this time?
[01:39] <cellofellow> starpause: sometimes I find that openning aptitude, in gui mode (command aptitude), helps me see what is the problem. try doing something like installing kubuntu-desktop, and it will say it has fix suggestions. press "e" to see suggestions.
[01:40] <cellofellow> ut2004: I did it on debian sarge. install dnsmasq firs
[01:40] <cellofellow> t
[01:41] <dg6e74> where do i get it
[01:41] <cellofellow> dg6e74: is that ut2004
[01:41] <cellofellow> ?
[01:41] <ut2004> yes
[01:41] <cellofellow> one sec
[01:42] <ut2004> some how in channel twice on same irc client with diffetent names
[01:42] <cellofellow> ut2004: install dnsmasq from universe
[01:43] <starpause> cellofellow: strange, when i try to run aptitude nothing happens. Adept Manager comes up though
[01:43] <ut2004> sorry you gotta be super specific with me im a super noob
[01:43] <cellofellow> starpause: you're kidding right? that is crazy.
[01:43] <malix0> hi all I have a strange problem with a laptop with Kubuntu 6.10, the network doesn't work. The interface eth0 is up but I have no comunication
[01:43] <cellofellow> malix0: any IP address? run ip address in konsole
[01:43] <manwithaface> malix0: what card do you have?
[01:44] <starpause> cellofellow: no, if i try running aptitude from the run command dialog or the prompt i get nothing comming up ... but the process is running
[01:44] <malix0> manwithaface: realtek
[01:44] <cellofellow> starpause: aptitude is a ncurses program, runs gui-like in a terminal, so aptitude in konsole should open it.
[01:45] <manwithaface> malix0: pop in your Kubuntu Edgy Alternate install cd and get Network Manager
[01:45] <cellofellow> ut2004: universe is most likely enabled, just sudo aptitude install dnsmasq
[01:45] <malix0> manwithaface: after restarting the network i can send some packet and after a few second it die again
[01:46] <manwithaface> malix0: i know not how to fix the easy stuff, though i can rapidly repair an ailing BCM4318 wireless card
[01:47] <starpause> cellofellow: thanks, i've got it up! will see if i get anywhere here :)
[01:47] <ut2004> i got it from google
[01:48] <cellofellow> ut2004: what?
[01:48] <grothesk> Hi!
[01:48] <ut2004> root@linux-sux:~# aptitude install dnsmasq
[01:48] <grothesk> What is the difference between kubuntu CD and DVD? What is included in the DVD?
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:48] <ut2004> Reading package lists... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> Building dependency tree
[01:48] <ut2004> Reading state information... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> Initializing package states... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> Building tag database... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:49] <cellofellow> !paste | ut2004
[01:49] <ubotu> ut2004: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:49] <grothesk> ut2004: USE pastebin!
[01:49] <ut2004> srry
[01:50] <cellofellow> grothesk: DVD has the LiveCD and the text install, and has enough software on to be a repo.
[01:50] <felixjet> should i install automake 1.9? i have 1.4 but package manager say that 1.9 have lot of bugs
[01:50] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29632/
[01:50] <grothesk> thx cellofellow
[01:50] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | ut2004
[01:50] <ubotu> ut2004: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[01:51] <cellofellow> ut2004: do you have apt-get or adept running? only one dpkg-based program can run at once cause of that lock file.
[01:51] <ut2004> possibly
[01:53] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29633/ what do i do
[01:53] <ut2004> remove java?
[01:54] <malix0> manwithaface: Ok I install network manager, but I can not test it because my router is broken and only wirless work
[01:54] <cellofellow> ut2004: the jdk is sort of outmoded in favour of the sdk. so, uninstall it. and dnsmasq is in uviverse so make sure that's in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:54] <malix0> manwithaface: I must wait when I go to my office
[01:56] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29634/
[01:56] <cellofellow> ut2004: unless your writting in java, you don't need the jdk, just the jre
[01:56] <ut2004> ok
[01:57] <ut2004> i dont need it
[01:57] <cellofellow> ut2004: aptitude search dns to see if dnsmasq is in your cache.
[01:58] <ut2004> type this: aptitude search dns
[01:58] <cellofellow> ut2004: we may be barking up the wrong tree anyways. can you ping ip addresses from the computer behind the linux box?
[01:58] <cellofellow> ut2004: yes
[01:59] <malix0> manwithaface: why this problem happen?
[01:59] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29635/
[02:01] <cellofellow> ut2004: you need universe.
[02:01] <cellofellow> !dnsmasq | ut2004
[02:01] <ubotu> dnsmasq: A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.33-1 (edgy), package size 174 kB, installed size 580 kB
[02:02] <manwithaface> malix0: i have no idea, but i tried it and it worked for me
[02:02] <cellofellow> starpause: how's it going?
[02:02] <Alter-Ego> hi, in amarok if i want to listen to japanese radio or tv, my  titles are in squre blocks and not japanese.  is there a way to change this ?
[02:03] <malix0> manwithaface: Ok ttanks I'll try it when I'll get into the work office
[02:03] <ut2004> how do i get universe
[02:03] <malix0> manwithaface: I hope it will work
[02:04] <starpause> cellofellow: it's going at it ... aptitude seems nice ... it's back on the command prompt
[02:04] <cellofellow> !universe | ut2004
[02:04] <ubotu> ut2004: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:04] <malix0> manwithaface: Note that I have no problem with windows and no problem with my wirless card using ndiswrapper drivers
[02:04] <cellofellow> starpause: after it does stuff at the "prompt", it promts for enter, and when you hit enter it opens aptitude back up.
[02:05] <shadowhywind> any body now how to clean up the apt cache, what the command is?
[02:06] <shadowhywind> is apt-get clean and autoclean safe to run?
[02:06] <starpause> cellofellow: cool, thanks for the explaination. it seems like there are some errors along the way but it's still doing it's thing. i just told aptitude to go after i started it, hope it was smart in seeing what needed to upgrade :O
[02:08] <malix0> Another question on a fresh install of Edgy when I call shutdown I have icons on side of buttons, but on an old installation that was in testing there are only text. Where I can change this?
[02:11] <starpause> cellofellow: before it prompted me to hit return there was a long list of packages with errors
[02:11] <Jucato> um... which font or package installed with kubuntu-desktop gives support for Japanese text? (I can't see them in Konvi...)
[02:11] <bobbyyu> I have a big problem: I can't log into my Kubuntu Dapper system. After a large update, it accepts my login, and logs me back out
[02:12] <bobbyyu> I am talking from my Windows OS
[02:13] <shadowhywind> bobbyyu nexttime you start in kubuntu, and get to the login screen, do alt+ctrl +f3 and login through there
[02:13] <shadowhywind> and see if an error happens
[02:13] <shadowhywind> if nothing, type startx and see if that comes with an error
[02:18] <kal> hi
[02:20] <shadowhywind> hi
[02:20] <kal> i am new on thia thing
[02:20] <shadowhywind> hehe
[02:27] <for> hi
[02:28] <Jucato> when I install xfonts stuff, do I need to restart X?
[02:29] <cellofellow> Jucato: can't hurt
[02:29] <shadowhywind> it probably wouldn't hurt that way all programs can see it
[02:29] <Jucato> thanks :)
[02:31] <Lamington> helllo
[02:32] <caribou8> !xmms
[02:32] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:33] <Emess> anyone know how to take a perl script wirtten in windows and make it so nix can actually read its encode?
[02:37] <Lamington> I've just installed kubuntu edgy and my Storage Media window in the System Menu only shows a folder (cdrom0)... How do I get it to show my hard drives like I thought it should
[02:39] <josh__> whats up people? i have a hard drive i am using just to store backups and such. it is owned by root though so my normal user accounts cant write to it. i have tried chmod 777 and chown josh /data... says changing permissions/owner isn't allowed... how do i change that?
[02:40] <intelikey> mount -o remount,umask=0 /mount/point
[02:44] <Dokuta_Di> !codecs
[02:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:49] <i_love_beer> I can't even load ubuntu in safe graphics mode
[02:53] <dragonflyseven> How would I get a quicktime movie to play in firefox?
[02:54] <Hirvinen> dragonflyseven: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[02:55] <dragonflyseven> hirvinen: thank you.
[02:56] <[H5N1] > Is the new livecd's updated yet?
[02:56] <RawSewageLT> theyre not making CDs of Edgy
[02:57] <[H5N1] > huh?
[02:57] <RawSewageLT> sorry nm
[02:57] <[H5N1] > Just waiting for the new Kubuntu 6.10 since the current one has issues..
[02:58] <RawSewageLT> like what
[02:58] <RawSewageLT> KOrganizer?
[02:58] <[H5N1] > I have the "NO ROOT FILESYSTEM" bug and I can't proceed.
[02:58] <RawSewageLT> oh
[02:59] <[H5N1] > With the installation that is.
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> I did a fresh install
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> I dont like updates
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> updating
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> upgrading
[02:59] <[H5N1] > Yeah, I'd like too and it won't let me.
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> weird
[03:00] <felixjet> anyone know a good manual to see TV in kubuntu?
[03:00] <felixjet> i have a hauppage tv card
[03:00] <felixjet> supported by bttv module
[03:00] <RawSewageLT> !TV
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about TV - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <felixjet> !bttv
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bttv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <felixjet> :(
[03:01] <laptop_> anyone know the where automatix2 installs the firefox java runtime plugin?
[03:02] <LiteHedded> how can i upgrade firefox to 2.0?
[03:02] <analfabeta> hi!
[03:02] <pierreth> hello
[03:03] <felixjet> when i try to open modconf it says that i dont must use it, and it autocloses !
[03:03] <pierreth> Anyone on the new version of kubuntu?
[03:03] <RawSewageLT> me
[03:03] <pierreth> hi RawSewageLT
[03:03] <felixjet> nevermind, it was a problem using another terminal
[03:03] <shadowhywind> me too
[03:04] <dragonflyseven> The Ubuntu documentation says to that Konqueror can play embedded videos by default, but I am using Firefox. How can I play quicktime, etc. videos in firefox using KDE?
[03:04] <pierreth> and are you confortable?
[03:04] <RawSewageLT> yes
[03:04] <pierreth> dragonflyseven: QT is not free
[03:04] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: No problem since the upgrade?
[03:04] <esaym> for upgrading to firefox 2: http://getswiftfox.com/installer.htm
[03:05] <pierreth> QT is for windows are MacOS
[03:05] <esaym> if you want the desktop icon you will have to copy it from the default install location of /usr/share/applications/swiftfox.desktop and copy it over to /home/user/desktop
[03:05] <malix0> dragonflyseven: install mozilla-mplayer
[03:05] <dragonflyseven> I mean like embedded videos like besides flash.
[03:05] <shadowhywind> dragonflyseven https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:05] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: just a few bugs
[03:05] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: like what?
[03:05] <shadowhywind> other then the few bugs, I haven't found anything that i haven't beena ble to fix
[03:06] <RawSewageLT> KOrganize icon
[03:06] <dragonflyseven> I am already on that page, it doesn't handle how to do it without Konqueror.
[03:06] <RawSewageLT> k3b not verifying after a burn
[03:06] <RawSewageLT> it verifies ISOs, but not data DVd burns
[03:06] <shadowhywind> dragonfly if you install what it says, firefox will find it and do it automatically
[03:06] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: k3b is fully completed anyway
[03:07] <RawSewageLT> what
[03:07] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: I'am missing Toast from MacOS
[03:07] <malix0> dragonflyseven: and if you want to play almost anything you can install w32codecs
[03:07] <dragonflyseven> Ok, I will try it.
[03:07] <dragonflyseven> Thanks for the help.
[03:07] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: I like k3b
[03:08] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: I like it too but it does not erase my disks
[03:08] <RawSewageLT> are you sure
[03:08] <Emess> anyone know how to take a perl script wirtten in windows and make it so nix can actually read its encode?
[03:09] <RawSewageLT> isnt perl just text
[03:09] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: it is always saying that I don't need to erase the disk
[03:09] <RawSewageLT> oh
[03:09] <intelikey> dos2unix file.pl
[03:09] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: that I can write over
[03:10] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: but I want to erase, not to add
[03:10] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: just too bad
[03:10] <Emess> RawSewageLT: yes, but its been encoded and nix cant read it
[03:10] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: are you having this problem?
[03:10] <intelikey> pierreth what disk ?
[03:10] <pierreth> dvd+rw
[03:11] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: I dont use rewritable disks
[03:11] <intelikey> k i'm oob on that one.
[03:11] <LiteHedded> what's the easiest way to upgrade to ff 2.0?
[03:11] <i_love_beer> how do I get edgy to work
[03:11] <pierreth> rewritable is better for the environment
[03:11] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: did you go to Tools -  Erase CD
[03:11] <pierreth> intelikey: there is so much formats available
[03:12] <i_love_beer> how do I get edgy to display video
[03:12] <i_love_beer> it just go into a blank screen
[03:12] <bbt> hi, trying to get thunderbird to use firefox as default browser, can someone help?
[03:13] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: yes, but i am in French
[03:13] <intelikey> !fr
[03:13] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:13] <pierreth> bbt: i am a link for you
[03:13] <pierreth> btt: i add the problem once
[03:14] <i_love_beer> HALP EDGY NO WORK
[03:14] <intelikey> !work
[03:14] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:14] <RawSewageLT> bbt: System Setings - Default Apps
[03:15] <RawSewageLT> lol
[03:15] <pierreth> bbt: here: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/firefox-mailto.jspx
[03:15] <i_love_beer> hey
[03:15] <bbt> thanks guys
[03:16] <i_love_beer> it just go into a blank screen
[03:16] <i_love_beer> and I can't do nothing :(
[03:16] <Egi> hi
[03:17] <intelikey> !xorg
[03:17] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:17] <dude_> guys, can you suggest a mp3 burner apps
[03:17] <Egi> is it possible to be an admin in kubuntu all the time ?
[03:17] <intelikey> Egi sure  if you are talking about using the roor account
[03:17] <intelikey> !root
[03:17] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:17] <intelikey> read there ^
[03:18] <i_love_beer> roor account?
[03:18] <intelikey> to set a root password; sudo passwd
[03:18] <Egi> dont want to be sudo
[03:18] <intelikey> root
[03:18] <dude_> guys, can you suggest a mp3 burner apps
[03:19] <intelikey> dude_ i have no idea what you are talking about
[03:19] <intelikey> an mp3 burner ?
[03:19] <Egi> ok .. i think i dont raelly know what i am talking about ^^
[03:19] <Egi> su = same as root ?
[03:19] <intelikey> yes
[03:20] <intelikey> actually no...   su == switch user   and if not user is specified then the default is   root
[03:20] <Egi> its told in the kubuntu documentation that the root account is locked
[03:20] <Egi> but i want to be root all the time ... and log in as root etc
[03:21] <dude_> intelikey: i mean i want to burn mp3's in a   cd
[03:21] <pierreth> why when i create a new user, i can login with my password on the user account?
[03:21] <intelikey> one could  su jim    or    su tom    or su sally   but   su  alone == su root
[03:21] <Egi> the problem is that i coulnd do that the last time i had kubunto on my pc
[03:21] <dude_> intelikey: i used 3kb, but it doesnt play
[03:21] <intelikey> dude_ then you are looking for something to convert mp3 to cda ?
[03:22] <intelikey> audacity can do that with the codecs
[03:22] <dude_> intelikey: not really, but what can you suggest, mp3 to cda?
[03:23] <intelikey> i don't know what tool audacity uses but it's probably common to many things like mplayer xmms and friends
[03:23] <rhodri> hi, i'm using edgy, and after 5 minutes or so of not using my computer i get a blank screensaver which comes up, but i have checked my screensaver settings and it looks off, and i've looked for power management settings but can't find anything to do with turning off the screen.  this is really annoying when i'm watching movies, can anyone help?  thanks.
[03:24] <intelikey> cda==compact disk audio   format
[03:24] <Kiongku> !rpm
[03:24] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:24] <dude_> intelikey: when i play the burned cd in a cd player, it won't play  but when i play it on my cdrom drive, it plays
[03:24] <RawSewageLT> does anyone have a problem where FF crashes when going to YouTube
[03:25] <Egi> and the format of the files is .cda
[03:25] <intelikey> dude_ i sujest you check the settings in k3b   probably not fixiated  or something.
[03:25] <Egi> ?
[03:25] <shadowhywind> rawsewageLT download and use flash beta 9
[03:25] <shadowhywind> also diable your extenstions, and test first
[03:26] <shadowhywind> does anyone know hot to get superkaramba to read net stats?
[03:26] <RawSewageLT> shadowhywind: ok, thx.  I dont want to do anything like that on this fresh clean Edgy install though
[03:26] <RawSewageLT> I'll just wait for an official update
[03:26] <shadowhywind> what do you mean rawsewage?
[03:26] <RawSewageLT> I only want to instal things in the repos
[03:27] <RawSewageLT> without having to add special repos
[03:27] <shadowhywind> all it is, is adding 1 file to the plugin directory of firefox
[03:27] <RawSewageLT> ok
[03:27] <RawSewageLT> where can I get that
[03:27] <shadowhywind> *lets see if this works*
[03:28] <shadowhywind> !flash
[03:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:28] <shadowhywind> haha!
[03:28] <hazard2> quick question: anybody know anything about programming in C?
[03:28] <intelikey> hazard2 is this a poll ?
[03:28] <Egi> well ... me in c++ a little bit
[03:28] <hazard2> well, specfically, why can't I create a global program varible?
[03:28] <shadowhywind> raw go here http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:29] <intelikey> there is a channel for that.
[03:29] <hazard2> and google is feeling useless
[03:29] <Egi> who told you that ?
[03:29] <Egi> of course you can
[03:29] <bobbyyu> !java
[03:29] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:29] <RawSewageLT> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy#How_to_update_to_Flash_Player_9_Beta_.28Macromedia_Flash.29_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[03:29] <hazard2> I know you can, but gcc isn't letting me.
[03:29] <bobbyyu> !jdk
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <intelikey> !b-e
[03:29] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:30] <dude_> !mp3
[03:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:30] <RawSewageLT> shadowhywind: thx.  I'll install that
[03:30] <hazard2> !aac
[03:30] <shadowhywind> hopefully that will work, that is what i had to do
[03:30] <intelikey> who ever rewrote the bot <glares at Seveas>  really didn't help anything.
[03:31] <hazard2> what's the channel for c?
[03:31] <bobbyyu> Can someone please tell me how to export the Java path and make it global througout the shell? My copy is gone now that my Kubuntu decided to lock itself up.
[03:31] <hazard2> (and how do I join with Konversation?
[03:31] <intelikey> b-e should not be linked to that infonode.
[03:32] <dude_> jucato !
[03:32] <RawSewageLT> shadowhywind: still crashes.  maybe I need to rebood
[03:32] <RawSewageLT> I'll reboot
[03:33] <rhodri> hi, i'm using edgy, and after 5 minutes or so of not using my computer i get a blank screensaver which comes up, but i have checked my screensaver settings and it looks off, and i've looked for power management settings but can't find anything to do with turning off the screen.  this is really annoying when i'm watching movies, can anyone help?  thanks.
[03:33] <shadowhywind> there is one other folder that you can try to put the file in,
[03:34] <shadowhywind> do a find for plugins, firefox has like a global folder i don't remembere where
[03:34] <shadowhywind> also did you remove both files for flash?
[03:37] <analfabeta> i'm trying write in my pendrive, but after, Safety Remove, unplug and replug a pendrive, archives isnot copied. whats happining?!
[03:38] <_kalach> lllllllll
[03:40] <Jucato> dude_: sorry I was awaaaaaaay
[03:41] <dude_> jucato: i burned mp3, but it doesn't play
[03:41] <dude_> jucato: i used kb3
[03:41] <Jucato> dude_: did you install libk3b-mp3 (or something like that)?
[03:42] <dude_> jucato: le me chck
[03:42] <Jucato> dude_: libk3b2-mp3
[03:43] <dude_> jucato: not yet installed
[03:44] <Jucato> bleh :P
[03:44] <dude_> hehehe
[03:44] <dude_> jucato: re starting kb3
[03:45] <vipercat> can someone help me with how to install avast onto kubuntu ..  this i my first attempt at using linux so i dont know what to use or how to use it ?
[03:46] <Hawkwind> What is avast ?
[03:46] <Jucato> avast ye mateys?
[03:46] <vipercat> avast is an antivirus program
[03:46] <Hawkwind> vipercat: You don't need antivirus on Linux
[03:47] <OOD> chances are there wont be a single linux virus for a few years
[03:47] <Hawkwind> vipercat: Unless you run a mail server that Windows users have access to from within Windows
[03:47] <OOD> and if one does come out, expect a patch that kills it
[03:48] <dude_> jucato: what are those? "libk3b2-mp3?
[03:48] <vipercat> its not the antivirus im worried about its just an excersise in how to install a program that is not normally part of linux
[03:48] <Jucato> !info libk3b2-mp3 | dude_
[03:48] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[03:48] <dude_> jucato, tnx
[03:49] <Jucato> dude_: but are you just trying to burn a data disc, or mp3's into an audio cd?
[03:50] <vipercat> ok how do i install firefox from a .tar.gz file than ?
[03:50] <notech> avast has .deb package
[03:51] <vipercat> what is a deb package ?
[03:51] <Hawkwind> vipercat: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:52] <notech> deb are the package format used by unbuntu/debian
[03:52] <Hawkwind> vipercat: You don't need to download and compile things on a deb based distro.  Use the tools the distro gives you to install things that are prepackaged
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: still the same
[03:52] <Jucato> vipercat: try learning the basics of installing first. The usual "ladder" of installation choices is: Repository > DEB package > compiling from source
[03:52] <Jucato> dude_: hm.... are you trying to burn an Audio CD or a Data CD with MP3's in it?
[03:53] <dude_> jucato: Data CD with MP3's in it
[03:53] <Hawkwind> If it's mp3's you should burn it as an audio cd, not a data cd
[03:53] <dude_> hawkwind: why?
[03:53] <Jucato> Hawkwind: well it's possible to burn a Data CD w/ MP3's in it.
[03:53] <Jucato> I know, I do it
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Jucato: True.  But if it's all mp3's, why not just burn it as an audio cd then you have no worries of it not working
[03:54] <dude_> jucato: im using a CD-RW, is it ok
[03:54] <vipercat> ok thanks just one more question  is there a list somewhere that tells me what the different files are and which programs do what as a comparison to windows ?
[03:54] <Jucato> dude_: doesn't matter :)
[03:55] <Jucato> Hawkwind: backups? transferring? I'd hate to burn them as Audio CD only to rip them again later
[03:55] <dude_> jucato: my cd player can't read it
[03:55] <Jucato> dude_: maybe your CD player can't read MP3's?
[03:55] <Jucato> only Audio CD's
[03:56] <dude_> jucato: it can, just wondering, when im in xp, and burn mp3s, the cd player can read it
[03:56] <shadowhywind> anyone use a systemmonitor in karamaba
[03:57] <Jucato> dude_: I haven't run into a problem like that...
[03:57] <Jucato> anything I burn, MP3's into Data CD, or convert to Audio CD, works fine
[03:58] <dude_> jucato: maybe my player doesn't read CD-RW
[03:58] <Jucato> that's a possibility
[03:58] <Jucato> it usually says on the cover of the player whether it can or it can't
[03:59] <dude_> jucato: ya, wait, i'll buy CD-R
[03:59] <dude_> :)
[03:59] <Jucato> O_O
[04:02] <zanophol> Can anyone help me figure out why on my 1600x1200 laptop screen, why the login and password fonts are so huge?
[04:03] <zanophol> I have adjusted all the kde fonts I can find through control center, but still huge fonts
[04:05] <felixjet> i have a doubt (yea one more =()
[04:05] <felixjet> im trying to setup a TV card
[04:05] <felixjet> and a manual say to dl the last kernel source and put it into /usr/src/
[04:05] <felixjet> there, i have this folder: linux-headers-2.6.15-27-686 .which is the kernel im using
[04:06] <dragonflyseven> Do you have to defragment your disk in kubuntu?
[04:06] <felixjet> but the last stable kernel is <IP_ADDRESS> .should i use the one dled ? or the one i have in my HD
[04:06] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: not really
[04:06] <zanophol> anyone have big login fonts?
[04:06] <Jucato> felixjet: you can see which kernel you are using by typing "uname -r" in Konsole
[04:06] <dragonflyseven> Ok, cool. The once every 30 startups thing takes care of it?
[04:07] <felixjet> yea
[04:07] <felixjet> im using 2.6.15-27-686
[04:07] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: that's not defragging. it's fsck, like chkdsk in windows
[04:07] <felixjet> but the last is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:07] <felixjet> what kernel should use?
[04:07] <dragonflyseven> Oh. But I don't have to worry about defraging?
[04:07] <Jucato> felixjet: the one you're using right now.unless you want to compile. 2.6.17 isn't availabe yet in Dapper, much less 2.6.18
[04:08] <felixjet> ya, i need compile :(
[04:08] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: nope. not that much, anyway
[04:08] <felixjet> to get working the video TV module
[04:08] <Jucato> felixjet: ah well I guess you need more help than I can give...
[04:08] <felixjet> should i use linux-headers-2.6.15-27-686 folder as source?
[04:08] <Jucato> no
[04:09] <felixjet> and what if i use the kernel i downloaded? kubuntu will crash?
[04:09] <Jucato> Hawkwind: where's that kernel compilation guide of yours?
[04:09] <dragonflyseven> Ok, cool. Thank you.
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Jucato: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=611.0
[04:10] <Jucato> felixjet: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[04:10] <Jucato> Hawkwind: thanks
[04:10] <felixjet> thanks
[04:11] <felixjet> Hawkwind: what happen if i compile the new stable kernel on kubuntu?
[04:12] <Hawkwind> felixjet: I'm using <IP_ADDRESS> on Dapper and 2.6.19-rc2 on Edgy, so I'd guess nothing except you'd be at a newer kernel
[04:12] <felixjet> and whats the difference :(
[04:13] <felixjet> exist any risk? or new kernel only gives me more improves
[04:14] <Jucato> so far I personally haven't had any need to compile kernels... thank goodness...
[04:14] <Hawkwind> felixjet: All depends on how *you* build it
[04:14] <PenguinistaKC> The only risk you run with a new kernel is with any proprietary, binary-only modules that you might include (e.g., nividia proprietary drivers). they are often keyed to a specific kernel version.
[04:15] <felixjet> ill follow ur guide lol
[04:15] <Hawkwind> PenguinistaKC: That's why you install the drivers directly from nvidia.com and then you have no worries
[04:15] <Hawkwind> felixjet: There is a script there on that post too that will do it all for you
[04:15] <PenguinistaKC> hawkwind: As long as nvidia is keeping up with kernel updates
[04:15] <PenguinistaKC> hawkwind: They haven't always been so good about that
[04:16] <Hawkwind> PenguinistaKC: It has nothing to do with kernel updates
[04:16] <igor> hi all
[04:16] <Hawkwind> I built 2.6.19-rc2 the day it was released on kernel.org and the nvidia drivers install against it perfectly fine
[04:16] <igor> can somebody help me with upgrade
[04:16] <igor> I'm getting this error message:
[04:17] <felixjet> this is so hard to me >.<
[04:17] <igor> W: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org edgy-plf Release: The following si                                                                                gnatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY                                                                                F120156012B83718
[04:17] <igor> in dpkg run
[04:17] <Jucato> igor: remove or comment out (put a # at the beginning) of the packages.freecontrib.org lines
[04:18] <Hawkwind> igor: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv F120156012B83718 && gpg --export --armor F120156012B83718 | sudo apt-key add -
[04:18] <Hawkwind> igor: Copy/paste that into a terminal to import the key
[04:18] <felixjet> Hawkwind:
[04:18] <felixjet> can u take a look at a link please?
[04:18] <intelikey> Jucato yeah rolled a kernel or two for that purpose...
[04:18] <felixjet> im so confuse
[04:18] <felixjet> http://jtyr.home.cern.ch/jtyr/wintv_express.html
[04:19] <felixjet> im trying to do that
[04:21] <intelikey> Jucato both 2.4 and 2.6's    it takes a little time.  nothing hard about it though.    if you "philosophy" i'd say go for it.
[04:24] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a 3rd party deb for python 2.5?
[04:25] <unix_infidel> specific for ubuntu?
[04:29] <igor> Hawkin:
[04:29] <igor> gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
[04:29] <igor> gpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe options file permissions
[04:29] <igor> gpg: keyserver communications error: general error
[04:29] <igor> gpg: keyserver receive failed: general error
[04:29] <BluesKaj> Can an older pc like a 233mhz MMX  be used as a network server using a large HDD with ubuntu ?
[04:29] <igor> it doesn't work
[04:29] <Ertain> Has the problem with the screensaver not working unless the power saver option is set, been resolved?
[04:30] <dude> jucato: :(
[04:31] <intelikey> igor  ls -l /home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[04:33] <igor> intelikey: it acts same
[04:33] <intelikey> that's good, it would be desasterous if 'ls' changed anything.
[04:34] <intelikey> so what did ls say ?
[04:34] <igor> -rw------- 1 igor igor 8084 Nov  1 12:18 /home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: If I was you I wouldn't use the binary drivers from nvidia.com (its messy) build the nvidia-graphics-driver package from debian unstable or experimental (that will give you an nvidia-kernel-source package which you can build with module-assistant
[04:35] <unix_infidel> anyone for my python 2.5 question.  I'm looking for some 3rd party packages, preferably in a repo and release non specific.
[04:35] <intelikey> i guess gpg keys are supposed to be root only.  you can chown it    but if you do i would sujest moving it to some place owned by root also
[04:36] <duane> does flash 9 crash alot for anybody
[04:36] <duane> ?
[04:36] <duane> shit crashes like every ten minutes for me
[04:36] <intelikey> @ igor
[04:37] <igor> root@igor-kohnolab:~# gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv F120156012B83718 && gpg --export --armor F120156012B83718 | sudo apt-key add -
[04:37] <intelikey> !language
[04:37] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:37] <igor> gpg: directory `/root/.gnupg' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: new configuration file `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: WARNING: options in `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run
[04:37] <igor> gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: requesting key 12B83718 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
[04:37] <igor> gpg: /root/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: key 12B83718: public key "Lionel Le Folgoc (mr_pouit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>imported
[04:37] <igor> gpg: Total number processed: 1
[04:37] <igor> gpg:               imported: 1
[04:38] <intelikey> and yes others have expressed crash problems with flash9 'beta'
[04:39] <BluesKaj> intelikey, why does installing flashplayer remove the flash plugin in FF?
[04:40] <intelikey> BluesKaj i have no idea.  i don't do flash
[04:40] <duane> how do i uninstall the flash plugin?
[04:40] <duane> nevermind
[04:41] <BluesKaj> use adept and install flashplayer ...don't hink it works anyway :)
[04:41] <notech> gee, a beta app crashing how surprising. heh
[04:41] <Ertain> So... No one knows how to solve the screensaver problem?
[04:41] <intelikey> but i can tell you the reason, .... cause the package says it conflicts, thus dpkg removes the offending package to install the new one.
[04:42] <ccomp5950> Anyone know of a utility that extracts files from ISO's instead of having to burn them to a CD then copy them over?
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> ccomp5950: mount -o loop
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> ccomp5950: (then just access it like any other filesystem)
[04:42] <intelikey> utility ccomp5950 ???  just mount it.
[04:43] <duane> how do I install the stable flash?
[04:43] <duane> from apt
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> !flashplugin-nonfree
[04:43] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:43] <intelikey> stable and flash ?    is that a joke ?
[04:44] <igor> intelikey:
[04:44] <ccomp5950> didn't know I could mount an ISO, thanks guys
[04:44] <igor> now it says it has dependenices prob.
[04:44] <ccomp5950> mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[04:45] <igor> can I install packages from deb unstable?
[04:45] <igor> is that wise?
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> igor: Not binaries no
[04:45] <intelikey> ccomp5950 the -t is un-nessesary
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> igor: You can build debian unstable source fine most of the time
[04:46] <kyle_> hey
[04:46] <intelikey> igor you shouldn't    it can be done,  but it will probably break things.    ubuntu is not debian.
[04:46] <ccomp5950> intelikey: thanks
[04:47] <kyle_> anybody use cedega in here?
[04:47] <igor> what should I do then?
[04:47] <intelikey> igor what are you trying for ?
[04:47] <igor> it needs python2.4-tk and and xutils
[04:48] <intelikey> igor what's the desired end result ?
[04:48] <igor> edgy from 6.05
[04:48] <intelikey> !info python2.4-tk
[04:48] <ubotu> Package python2.4-tk does not exist in any distro I know
[04:49] <intelikey> !info python2.4-tk edgy
[04:49] <ubotu> Package python2.4-tk does not exist in edgy
[04:49] <intelikey> !info python2.5-tk edgy
[04:49] <ubotu> Package python2.5-tk does not exist in edgy
[04:49] <kyle_> !Seen
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <intelikey> igor again i ask "what is the desired end result?"   "what are you trying to do?"
[04:51] <igor> I've been trying to upgrade to 6.10
[04:51] <igor> from 6.05
[04:52] <intelikey> you don't need to be looking for packages to fix the 6.6 then      i don't know why ubotu cant find this.
[04:52] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  q python2.4-tk
[04:52] <intelikey> python2.4-tk - Tkinter - Writing Tk applications with Python (v2.4)
[04:55] <intelikey> igor i would sujest apt-get removing all that can be removed with having to type in "Yes, I know this is a bad idea"  or  "Yes, do as I say!"  to get it to remove it.  and then doing the upgrade.  after a successful upgrade you can install anything edgy.
[04:55] <sinbad44> why does saving a binary file result in corruption in kubuntu ??
[04:56] <intelikey> sinbad44 it doesn't
[04:56] <sinbad44> well i keep getting this error
[04:56] <coreymon77> my dog just got skunked :(\
[04:56] <flake> is there a way around the redraw problem using Wine?
[04:57] <sinbad44> halfway thru downloading
[04:57] <intelikey> igor with/without  ^
[04:57] <felixjet_> !info kde-devel
[04:57] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:58] <felixjet_> !info kde-core
[04:58] <ubotu> kde-core: the K Desktop Environment core modules. In component main, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:58] <intelikey> sinbad44 downloading what and from where?   and using what to dl it?
[04:59] <RobNyc_> damn I been updating my Kubuntu Knot 3 to Edgy for like 3hours lol
[04:59] <RobNyc_> on a 3mbps connection
[04:59] <Jucato> O_o
[04:59] <sinbad44> using konqueror browser to download    http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipcop/ipcop-install-cd-1.4.11.i386.iso?use_mirror=ufpr
[04:59] <flake> is there a way around the redraw issue with wine?
[05:00] <geecko> hey, maybe a simple question, but how do i set up screesavers in dapper?
[05:00] <intelikey> sinbad44 try; wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipcop/ipcop-install-cd-1.4.11.i386.iso?use_mirror=ufpr
[05:00] <Dasnipa`> right click on desktop
[05:00] <Jucato> geecko: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screensavers ?
[05:01] <Jucato> or what Dasnipa` said
[05:01] <Dasnipa`> geecko, yeah its in configure desktop
[05:01] <sinbad44> ok but do u have any idea why the browser wont work for downloading that ?
[05:01] <intelikey> or run kcontrol
[05:02] <intelikey> :)
[05:02] <geecko> Dasnipa`: ok, i knew i saw that before
[05:02] <Jucato> intelikey: you have to remember, KControl isn't originally visible on a default Kubuntu install :P
[05:02] <Jucato> sinbad44: it works here. what problem are you getting?
[05:02] <intelikey> sinbad44 no that's why i wanted you to try wget   to rule out the problme being on the other end...
[05:03] <geecko> Dasnipa`: it looks like that's disabled though, so y would the big X pop up during mplayer?
[05:03] <Jucato> intelikey: that link is a page that lets you select mirrors
[05:03] <intelikey> Jucato :)    the command is the same all over    no?
[05:03] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't know. does wget let you choose which mirror to use?
[05:03] <Dasnipa`> speaking of screensavers is there a handy console command to modify screensaver settings? i wanna write a fairly basic script for myself to make 'on the fly' modifications
[05:04] <intelikey> Jucato hehhe well that's the url he gave me.
[05:04] <Jucato> intelikey: well, you should have checked :P
[05:04] <Dasnipa`> geecko, big x?
[05:04] <intelikey> Jucato no   you need the url of the actual dl
[05:04] <Jucato> intelikey: don't tell me that :P
[05:04] <geecko> Dasnipa`: the X logo; X screensaver
[05:04] <Jucato> intelikey: btw, that wget command you gave only downloads the web page :P
[05:04] <intelikey> Jucato lagging 20 seconds and you expect me to check urls.......
[05:05] <Jucato> intelikey: well, didn't know you were lagging... :)
[05:05] <Jucato> why are you lagging anyway?
[05:05] <intelikey> an update......
[05:05] <intelikey> dialup you know.
[05:06] <intelikey> oh cool, and it errored out....
[05:06] <Jucato> ooh... never knew you were on dialup... my bad..
[05:07] <igor> intelikey: how do I go back?
[05:07] <intelikey> yeah ya did.  you just forgot.
[05:07] <Jucato> intelikey: maybe I did... but if I forgot, I wouldn't know that I did, right?
[05:08] <intelikey> igor not sure you can....  i'll be finished with this in a few minutes and maybe i can be of more help...
[05:08] <intelikey> Jucato :)     SO
[05:10] <intelikey> ok i think i'm back to normal
[05:10] <intelikey> what ever that is.
[05:10] <intelikey> see second post ^
[05:10] <Jucato> yeah yeah :)
[05:11] <intelikey> igor what error.  lets see if we can do a few tricky apt-gets and fix it.
[05:11] <igor>   python-tk: Depends: python2.4-tk (>= 2.4.2)
[05:11] <igor>   python2.4-epydoc: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:11] <igor>   python2.4-unit: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:11] <igor>   ttf-arphic-uming: Depends: xutils (>= 4.0.2) but it is not installed
[05:11] <igor> I got broken dep.
[05:11] <coreymon77> watch this
[05:12] <coreymon77> !seen anything
[05:12] <ubotu> I last saw Anything<EMAIL_ADDRESS>11h 13m 17s ago, quiting: "http://www.ubuntu-gaming.de"
[05:12] <Jucato> ???
[05:12] <coreymon77> darn
[05:12] <coreymon77> it used to say
[05:12] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove -f python-tk
[05:12] <coreymon77> i havent seen anything recently
[05:12] <coreymon77> !seen nothing
[05:12] <ubotu> I last saw Nothing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2d 18h 28m 1s ago, quiting:
[05:13] <coreymon77> !seen everything
[05:13] <ubotu> I haven't seen everything recently
[05:13] <Jucato> !botabuse | coreymon77
[05:13] <ubotu> coreymon77: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots  -  Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[05:13] <coreymon77> !seen a signle thing
[05:13] <coreymon77> okay
[05:13] <intelikey> coreymon77 please play in pm
[05:13] <igor> python-unit: Depends: python-tk but it is not going to be installed
[05:13] <igor>   python2.4-epydoc: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:13] <igor>   python2.4-unit: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:13] <igor>   ttf-arphic-uming: Depends: xutils (>= 4.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[05:13] <Jucato> !pastebin > igor
[05:14] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove -f python-tk python-unit python2.4-epydoc
[05:14] <intelikey> if that errors try it without the -f
[05:15] <Jucato> what's igor trying to do?
[05:15] <intelikey> upgrade
[05:15] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29652/
[05:15] <intelikey> and is having a depends prob
[05:15] <Jucato> upgrade to Edgy?
[05:15] <intelikey> yeah
[05:15] <Jucato> igor: did you follow the steps from KubuntuUpgrade?
[05:15] <edseidel> evening all
[05:15] <igor> yes
[05:16] <igor> then it broke
[05:16] <Jucato> hm...
[05:16] <igor> then I've changed repos
[05:16] <igor> list
[05:16] <Jucato> changed it? to what?
[05:16] <BdySncher> anyone have a good program for viewing mutiple jpg images in a slideshow?
[05:16] <intelikey> igor did you try it with the -f ?
[05:16] <cyanid3> BdySncher - gwenview is a good one
[05:16] <Jucato> Gwenview
[05:16] <igor> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[05:16] <igor> yesd
[05:16] <BdySncher> danka
[05:17] <cyanid3> no prob
[05:17] <Jucato> !upgrade
[05:17] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:17] <cyanid3> I'm having some weird problems mounting an external hard drive..  the dmesg output is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29653/
[05:17] <Jucato> igor: did you do this part already? "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal"
[05:19] <intelikey> igor try this; sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:20] <coreymon77> my dog just got skunked :(
[05:20] <Jucato> O_O
[05:20] <cyanid3> that must stink
[05:20] <cyanid3> ; )
[05:20] <intelikey> lier   you said the same thing 30 minutes ago,  and no dog will do that twice in that time......
[05:20] <intelikey> :)
[05:21] <Jucato> s/lier/liar
[05:21] <intelikey> yeah what he said
[05:21] <joel> hola
[05:21] <intelikey> joel
[05:21] <flake> ..
[05:22] <intelikey> igor where are you ?
[05:23] <igor> just very stupid guy
[05:23] <intelikey> ?
[05:23] <intelikey> not who just where ?
[05:23] <igor> here I am
[05:23] <intelikey> k did you try that ^
[05:23] <igor> yes
[05:23] <intelikey> igor try this; sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:23] <intelikey> what did it do ?
[05:24] <intelikey> that's a repost btw ^
[05:24] <igor> it displays a loong list of unmet depend.
[05:25] <cyanid3> does anyone know what this usb related dmesg means?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29653/
[05:25] <intelikey> ok.  can you pastebin the output
[05:26] <sinbad44> anyone here ever run guarddog firewall on kubuntu yet ?
[05:26] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29654/
[05:28] <xunix> anybody know where to get RTE for mozilla firefox or opera?
[05:28] <seishinbyou> All hail the power of Vubuntu....I mean, hello
[05:29] <intelikey> ok Jucato unless i'm not reading this correctly  the two packages "python2.4-htmltmpl & python2.4-xml" from the 6.6 install are, and probably were broken when he (igor) started the upgrade.     got any input on a fix for that ?
[05:30] <Jucato> it's because Edgy uses python3 already, afaik
[05:30] <Jucato> did he try the command I gave earler?
[05:30] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal"
[05:30] <intelikey> repost it for him
[05:30] <intelikey> k
[05:30] <intelikey> igor  see jucato   try that ^
[05:31] <Jucato> at least, that's what the KubuntuUpgrade guide says
[05:31] <igor> tried
[05:31] <igor> again, very long list
[05:31] <igor> of unmet dep.
[05:32] <intelikey> errors out    yeah expected
[05:32] <unix_infidel> Jucato: edgy uses python 3?
[05:32] <unix_infidel> wetf?
[05:32] <Jucato> er.. I thought it did...
[05:32] <Jucato> hm..
[05:32] <unix_infidel> still 2.4 as far as i can tell.
[05:32] <unix_infidel> 2.5 was released a week or two before 3dgy.
[05:32] <Jucato> ah yeah
[05:32] <Jucato> sorry for the misinfo
[05:32] <Jucato> intelikey: sorry bout that
[05:33] <unix_infidel> i was in here asking about python 2.5 backports.
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i didn't think it was going to be 3
[05:33] <unix_infidel> :)
[05:33] <Jucato> :P
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> wel whatever the case may be, i'm going to shower
[05:33] <Jucato> this is what happens when more blood goes to your stomach instead of your brain...
[05:33] <Jucato> but anyway, the breakage is mostly caused by a newer python version...
[05:33] <intelikey> igor change the etc/apt/sources.list back to dapper and do this;    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:33] <intelikey> see if we can fix the broken and then upgrade....
[05:33] <Jucato> intelikey: he's getting held back packages?
[05:34] <unix_infidel> Jucato: actually, edgy uses python 2.5, it seems they recently updated.
[05:34] <intelikey> Jucato yeah http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29654/plain/
[05:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: haven't received any updates yet
[05:34] <unix_infidel> i was actually looking for 2.5 backports to LTS
[05:34] <igor> ok
[05:34] <Jucato> intelikey: I tried to use "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" for the last batch of held back packages, *after* installing kubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <Jucato> it's important that kubuntu-desktop is installed
[05:35] <intelikey> yes or that a lot of things that go with it are removed, one or the other.
[05:35] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm i didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed
[05:36] <Jucato> if it was removed, reinstall it
[05:36] <andresmujica> hi
[05:36] <dude> jucato: why is it my frostwire doesn't open
[05:36] <maryen> hey guys
[05:36] <Jucato> dude: a problem with the script, I guess....
[05:36] <andresmujica> why at ubuntu official repos the kde version is 3.5.2 and at the kubuntu repos the kde version is 3.5.5??
[05:36] <maryen> ey jucato, got any experience in apt-build?
[05:36] <andresmujica> the kde version at kubuntu is unofficil??
[05:36] <Jucato> maryen: sorry, nope
[05:36] <Admiral_Chicago> andresmujica: because edgy came out with kubuntu 3.5.5
[05:36] <maryen> darn
[05:36] <dude> jucato: so what should i do?
[05:37] <dude> maryen !
[05:37] <intelikey> andresmujica  3.5.2 is in dapper  and  3.5.5 edgy
[05:37] <Admiral_Chicago> to install kde 3.5.5, add the KDE repo
[05:37] <maryen> ?.?
[05:37] <Jucato> andresmujica: Kubuntu Dapper shipped with KDE 3.5.2, Kubuntu Edgy ships with KDE 3.5.5
[05:37] <andresmujica> no, i'm talking about dapper.. kde-latest for dapper is 3.5.5
[05:37] <Jucato> dude: honestly, I don't know. never tried to use frostwire
[05:37] <andresmujica> so is better to let dapper with 3.5.2??
[05:37] <maryen> have you got your system set up to use the right java?
[05:37] <Admiral_Chicago> andresmujica: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[05:38] <Jucato> andresmujica: Kubuntu packages more recent KDE versions but are not put into the main ubuntu repositories
[05:38] <intelikey> andresmujica better is in the eye of the doer
[05:38] <Jucato> they are official as far as Kubuntu is concerned
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> you'll need to get Riddell's key which is probably why it's not updating on Daper
[05:38] <Jucato> Riddel's key is available on each and every KDE upgrade page
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> shower now
[05:39] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: you've said that for the last 3 minutes...
[05:39] <intelikey> i need one of those
[05:39] <andresmujica> well, i usually update my servers with kubuntu repos to get the latest kde... but with 3.5.5 i'm having A LOT of issues... kmail with sasl, gam_server, dbus.. hal and usb.. etc. etcc so i'm trying to downgrade.
[05:40] <intelikey> ah
[05:40] <intelikey> not that bad i don't
[05:41] <intelikey> andresmujica servers with kde on them ???????
[05:41] <andresmujica> LTSP servers
[05:41] <dude> jucato: :(
[05:41] <dude> jucato: :( huhuhu
[05:41] <intelikey> but with kde on them ?
[05:42] <andresmujica> yeap for the thin clients..
[05:42] <intelikey> or gnome or any desktop environment......
[05:42] <andresmujica> well some users use gnome
[05:42] <andresmujica> but others use kde..
[05:42] <Jobberwacky> I use both
[05:43] <flaccid> i have both installed, only use kde
[05:43] <cyanid3> I'm unable to mount an external usb hard drive.  Here's the `dmesg | grep usb` : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29655/
[05:43] <intelikey> terminal servers    i was not thinking in those terms...
[05:43] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29656/
[05:43] <Jobberwacky> Well I don't use both on the same OS
[05:43] <igor> still the same
[05:43] <Jobberwacky> on ubuntu i use gnome and xfce, on fedora i use kde
[05:44] <intelikey> oh i installed 'nome kde blackbox fluxbox twm xfce4 and icewm95  on this box
[05:44] <andresmujica> yea, i've got the same questions.. should i use a server kernel? or a desktop kernel? this kind of servers are more like desktops than servers...
[05:44] <Jucato> igor: did you try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" earlier? (using Edgy sources.list)
[05:44] <igor> yes
[05:44] <intelikey> i'm down to twm now.....
[05:44] <Jucato> igor: aptitude, not apt-get?
[05:45] <igor> no
[05:45] <Zaire> oooh just download the edgy image its much safer then changing your sources
[05:45] <igor> should I try?
[05:45] <Jucato> igor: wouldn't hurt. but you have to use the Edgy sources.list
[05:45] <Jobberwacky> you mean the alt cd is good for an upgrade?
[05:45] <Zaire> every single time I tried changing my sources to edgy following a kubuntu manual its broken my install
[05:45] <intelikey> what... Reinstallation of language-pack-en-base is not possible, it cannot be dl'd              igor your sources.list  ?
[05:46] <intelikey> Jucato shouldn't we first get his installation streightened out.... then upgrade
[05:47] <Jucato> intelikey: what? it's a fresh installation of Dapper?
[05:47] <intelikey> Jucato no but it's hosed.
[05:47] <seishinbyou> Is there a nice fix to get Wine working on Kubuntu Edgy?  The one I got from apt-get hangs the system and the one built from source segfaults on execution
[05:47] <intelikey> Jucato   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29656/
[05:47] <Jucato> intelikey: the upgrade problems are cauased by the upgrade itself, not the installation
[05:47] <dude> jucato: :( huhuhu pls help
[05:48] <Jobberwacky> wine doesn't work in edgy??
[05:48] <cyanid3> i think wine has an apt repository
[05:48] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29657/
[05:48] <RobNyc> !ati
[05:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:48] <RobNyc> Anyone here has ATI on Kubuntu Edgy
[05:48] <seishinbyou> It worked on Dapper no problem.  No idea why is won't work on a clean install of edgy
[05:49] <Jobberwacky> hmm, more reason for me not to upgrade
[05:49] <intelikey> Jucato i'll gladly back up out of the way.    IF you will fix igor    but what ever we do lets don't pull igor from both ends.
[05:49] <RobNyc> CVirus, hey
[05:49] <RobNyc> Hawkwind, hey
[05:49] <sinbad44> i think i may be going BACK to dapper
[05:49] <Jucato> intelikey: ok you take over then. I'm quite busy. thanks! :)
[05:49] <RobNyc> sinbad44, why
[05:50] <igor> intelikey?
[05:50] <sinbad44> way too many things dont work right on 6.06
[05:50] <intelikey> igor yes i just looked at it.
[05:50] <seishinbyou> It was a trade off, I guess.  I had some trouble with vmware on dapper.  No problems on edgy...opposite for wine
[05:50] <duane> i worked out all my edgy problems tho
[05:50] <dude> need help
[05:50] <duane> nice distro
[05:50] <duane> multimedia keys ftw
[05:50] <dude> frostwire doesn't open
[05:50] <Jobberwacky> 6.06 is dapper
[05:50] <intelikey> igor i thought you were going to change the sources back to dapper and fix the broken packages first then upgrade ?
[05:51] <igor> I tried thay
[05:51] <igor> I tried that
[05:51] <intelikey> igor that sources is all edgy
[05:51] <sinbad44> duane wat do u use in place of adept ?
[05:51] <cyanid3> seishinbyou, here's the official wine repo for ubuntu... http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[05:51] <duane> sinbad44: i dont use anything in place of adept
[05:51] <cyanid3> I don't know if that'll have problems too, but it might be worth a try
[05:51] <duane> what's wrong with adept?
[05:51] <igor> yes, now
[05:51] <seishinbyou> cyanid3: tried that.  That is the version that hangs my system
[05:52] <intelikey> ok were are we exactly igor ?
[05:52] <RobNyc> lets see if my ATI x1600 pro works
[05:52] <sinbad44> well adept hangs up alot on me when i try to install stuff
[05:52] <cyanid3> seishinbyou alright
[05:52] <dude> whats wrong with my frostwire
[05:52] <igor> going back to dapper
[05:52] <intelikey> i say you will not upgrade until you get dpkg fixed.  if jucato or someone else can say other wise let them say.
[05:53] <seishinbyou> Not a critical issue, as I can install most of what I need in the VMware WinXP image, but still
[05:53] <igor> Iok
[05:53] <sinbad44> if 6.06 is dapper then why doesnt the name dapper show up anywhere on my desktop or during the boot or anywhere else ?
[05:53] <igor> ok, I'm listening
[05:53] <intelikey> igor then change all 'edgy' to 'dapper' in the sources.list and lets see what we can do.
[05:54] <igor> did
[05:54] <intelikey> ok run   sudo apt-get update
[05:54] <Zaire> ummm you did warn him that it could frag his install right?
[05:54] <sinbad44> amarok seems to work nicely
[05:55] <dude> what kind of error is this? ---> "runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")"
[05:56] <Jucato> dude: how are you running the script?
[05:56] <Jucato> or are you just pressing something from the K Menu?
[05:56] <dude> jucato: link, shortcut
[05:56] <igor> intelikey: done
[05:57] <igor> no prob.
[05:57] <intelikey> Jucato it's a syntax error
[05:57] <Jucato> does it link to somewhere like /usr/bin ?
[05:57] <intelikey> igor now run;  sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:57] <Jucato> intelikey: bash to dash problem I think
[05:57] <intelikey> no missind )
[05:57] <knapper> How do I choose which media player is used to play video files in file browse mode- konq
[05:57] <knapper> ?
[05:58] <Jucato> knapper: Konqueror -> Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror -> File Associations
[05:58] <dude> jucato: i also run frostwire from terminal
[05:58] <knapper> ah, thanks jucato
[05:58] <dude> jucato: i also run frostwire from terminal and gives me this error "runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[05:58] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29659/
[05:58] <Jucato> dude: how are you running it? I think you have edit the script a bit
[05:59] <intelikey> igor ok sit tight and let me look.
[05:59] <intelikey> igor what's this ?
[06:00] <intelikey> igor you sure you posted the right url ?
[06:00] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29660/
[06:00] <igor> sorry
[06:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: now i'm out the shower
[06:00] <dude> jucato: ?
[06:00] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: well put something on!!!
[06:01] <Jucato> dude: what are you typing in the terminal to run frostwire?
[06:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: haha,working on it
[06:01] <dude> jucato: yes
[06:01] <dude> just frostwire
[06:01] <Admiral_Chicago> IRC or putting clothes on
[06:01] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: lol! IRC *while* putting on clothes
[06:01] <intelikey> igor ok now pastebin the output of;    dpkg -l | grep python
[06:01] <Jucato> dude: so there's a /usr/bin/frostwire script?
[06:03] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29661/
[06:06] <intelikey> igor sudo dpkg -P python-tk
[06:07] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29663/
[06:07] <dude_> jucato: yes there is
[06:07] <dude_> "#!/bin/bash"
[06:07] <dude_> "cd /usr/lib/frostwire"
[06:07] <dude_> "sh runFrost.sh"
[06:08] <Jucato> dude_: try looking for that runFrost.sh script
[06:09] <dude_> jucato: sh runFrost.sh? is this right?
[06:09] <dude_> bash and sh?
[06:09] <Jucato> dude_: I think so
[06:09] <Jucato> yes
[06:10] <Jucato> if the start of the script is #!/bin/bash, you don't need to do "bash script.sh"
[06:10] <xsacha> hi
[06:10] <Jucato> dude_: try to check if runFrost.sh starts with #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh.
[06:10] <Jucato> xsacha: hi!
[06:10] <xsacha> i have this new setup where i use the programs file, edit, etc menu for my top bar
[06:11] <xsacha> but i dont know how to change the background colour for it :S i know it is using kubuntu-panel.png
[06:11] <intelikey> ok what is depending on python-tk ?
[06:11] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove python-tk
[06:12] <intelikey> pastebin the errors      assuming it give errors
[06:12] <xsacha> at the moment i have it so when i put mouse in top left corner, the K menu appears there :) working nicely
[06:12] <xsacha> other than that i have a full screen :)
[06:13] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29664/
[06:13] <Jucato> xsacha: you want to make that Mac OS X-like menu bar at the top use the settings of your main/regular panel?
[06:13] <xsacha> yes!
[06:13] <Jucato> xsacha: right-click on the panel, COnfigure Panel, Appearance options -> Advanced Options, check Apply to panel with menu
[06:13] <xsacha> cause i stock my clock and apps on that menu bar too but it looks ugly without transparency -- it atleast needs to be blue
[06:13] <xsacha> it doesnt have configure panel :(
[06:14] <Jucato> xsacha: on your other (main) panel
[06:14] <xsacha> ohh kcontrol
[06:14] <Jucato> you removed the main panel?
[06:14] <xsacha> yeah lol
[06:14] <Jucato> how?
[06:14] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove python-tk  python-unit python2.4-epydoc python2.4-unit ttf-arphic-uming    <--- se where that goes.
[06:14] <xsacha> removed everything off it
[06:14] <Jucato> ah but it still runs
[06:14] <Jucato> it still exists :P
[06:15] <intelikey> only apt could give such trybble....
[06:15] <xsacha> :P
[06:15] <Jucato> xsacha: anyway, yeah kcontrol
[06:15] <intelikey> trubble even
[06:15] <Jucato> trouble even
[06:15] <xsacha> in panels? not seeing an option of another panel
[06:16] <Jucato> xsacha: no. in the Appearance options
[06:16] <xsacha> kk
[06:16] <Jucato> then the Advanced options button
[06:16] <Jucato> "Also apply to panel with menu bar"
[06:16] <xsacha> :S Advanced-> ?
[06:17] <xsacha> i mean Appearance-> where is advanceD?
[06:17] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29665/
[06:17] <Jucato> ok...
[06:17] <Jucato> xsacha: KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Appearance tab -> Advanced Options button
[06:17] <Jucato> (that's what you get for removing the main panel :P)
[06:18] <intelikey> igor i thought you removed that ^   sudo apt-get remove  python-epydoc
[06:18] <xsacha> gah "also apply to..."  :P
[06:20] <xsacha> yeah but i have so much space now
[06:20] <Jucato> but I'm glad you're happy :)
[06:21] <xsacha> now i just need to remove window borders..
[06:22] <intelikey> igor what are you doing?    didn't you just remove python-tk python-unit python2.4-epydoc python2.4-unit ttf-arphic-uming python-epydoc ????    why are you getting a depends for thos packages now?      what command did you run ?
[06:22] <intelikey> is that the right url ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29666/ ????
[06:23] <igor> yes
[06:23] <igor> I've run the commnand, I can do it again
[06:23] <xsacha> i see they now have a beryl themes section in kde-look :D
[06:23] <intelikey> do it again.
[06:23] <Jucato> heh... they really should reorganize that...
[06:23] <igor> done, no change
[06:24] <xsacha> thing is there's not really any such thing as a beryl theme, they mean emerald themes..
[06:24] <Jucato> emerald?
[06:24] <xsacha> this is the first (and only) theme they added, not bad! http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=48085&file1=48085-1.jpg&file2=48085-2.jpg&file3=48085-3.jpg&name=uBlue
[06:24] <Jucato> xsacha: I might need your expertise next week btw...
[06:24] <intelikey> and your sources.list is dapper and you did update the database igor  ?
[06:24] <xsacha> yeah emerald  does the window decorations
[06:24] <intelikey> just dubble checking...
[06:24] <Jucato> emerald is the window manager?
[06:25] <xsacha> beryl does window manager, emerald does window decorations
[06:25] <Jucato> er.. so two separate things...
[06:25] <xsacha> yep, without emerald you have no borders :P
[06:25] <igor> ok, here is my sourcelist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29667/
[06:26] <Jucato> xsacha: how do you deal with keyboard shortcuts? I heard that the regular KDE keyboard shortcuts don't work in beryl
[06:26] <xsacha> well of course kwin shortcuts wont work..
[06:26] <maryen> wow, this is the first time my system has ever used both processors at full speed at once
[06:26] <xsacha> all the keys in beryl are configurably though beryl-settings though
[06:26] <intelikey> igor ok.   apt-get dist-upgrade -f
[06:26] <intelikey> sudo that
[06:27] <Jucato> xsacha: well not the kwin shortcuts. how about kde apps shortcuts? or kmenu shortcuts? so ctrl+alt+D to show Desktop doesn't work anymore?
[06:27] <xsacha> ctrl+alt+d shows desktop.. but it's beryls implementation (so it has an animation -- if you want)
[06:27] <Jucato> ah
[06:28] <Jucato> ok... I love my shortcuts, so I was a bit hesitant/disappointed to hear about that..
[06:28] <xsacha> by default it's alt+f4 to close window and so on.. there's shortcuts for just about everything, cant think of any that are lost off the top of my head
[06:28] <Jucato> Ctrl+Q?
[06:29] <xsacha> ctrl+q is application shortcut?
[06:29] <Jucato> xsacha: well anyway, I'll be asking you a lot next week :)
[06:29] <Jucato> I think so. Ctrl+Q = Quit
[06:29] <xsacha> ctrl+q is done by the individual program, so beryl wont affect it
[06:31] <intelikey> igor you are being awfully quiet......
[06:31] <igor> intelikey: sorry, haven't slept last night
[06:31] <igor> it is working !!!
[06:32] <intelikey> don't get your hopes too high
[06:32] <intelikey> a shot and a chaser might go better with this one......
[06:33] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29668/
[06:36] <intelikey> igor ok now we try the long string again and see if it fixes this... this looks more promicing now.
[06:36] <intelikey> sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[06:38] <intelikey> and possably an   sudo dpkg --configure -a      just for good measure.
[06:38] <intelikey> :)
[06:38] <igor> it is waiting for headers now
[06:39] <igor> i'll give you output at the end
[06:39] <intelikey> k
[06:39] <fignew> seishinbyou: have you tried troubleshooting
[06:39] <fignew> ?
[06:40] <seishinbyou> I've tried since Breezy Badger; this laptop has always been cursed with something(s) nonstandard; I've learned to live with it
[06:40] <seishinbyou> The multicard reader works, though, strangely
[06:40] <fignew> seishinbyou: have you tested it in xev?
[06:41] <xsacha> that sucks seishinbyou :( no function keys?
[06:41] <intelikey> Jucato i have one... :)
[06:41] <fignew> Jucato: I know, I own 3 ;)
[06:41] <xsacha> i've got a laptop :P i use it for uni
[06:41] <Jucato> rawr!
[06:41] <intelikey> hehhe but it's a 486
[06:41] <intelikey> :)
[06:41] <seishinbyou> xev doesn't pick up squat
[06:41] <fignew> hmm
[06:41] <Jucato> I only have a desktop, with an almost 5-year old 14" monitor with 1024x768 max res
[06:41] <fignew> does dmesg say anything?
[06:42] <intelikey> Jucato 14"  8*{
[06:42] <seishinbyou> nothing
[06:42] <seishinbyou> the keys work in Windows, though
[06:42] <intelikey> at least i have a 17"  crt
[06:42] <Jucato> maybe the laptop was made with windows in mind...
[06:42] <intelikey> would like a 19" liquid
[06:43] <fignew> 19 LCD is only $160
[06:43] <Jucato> heh I'm ok with a CRT... I'm quite a gamer so an LCD might not be good for me
[06:43] <RawSewage> how do I check for updates.   sudo apt-get update  ?  will that tell me if there's updates I need to get?
[06:43] <fignew> seishinbyou: I have the same thing, only one key, in windows it switches through power options
[06:43] <soundmaster80> what can i use for windows remote desktop connection?
[06:43] <Jucato> RawSewage: if there are updates available, there will be an icon in your system tray
[06:44] <intelikey> RawSewage sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:44] <RawSewage> Jucato: what if I have that disapled
[06:44] <fignew> no
[06:44] <fignew> not dist-upgrade
[06:44] <Jucato> RawSewage: then there are updates available. you click on that to launch update manager
[06:44] <intelikey> yes dist-upgrade
[06:44] <RawSewage> Jucato: I have that program disabled
[06:44] <fignew> I assure you, dist-upgrade is only when upgrading versions
[06:45] <Jucato> RawSewage: ah then you won't get that notification in your system tray, you'd have to do what intelikey said
[06:45] <intelikey> fignew wrong
[06:45] <soundmaster80> what can i use for windows remote desktop connection?
[06:45] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29669/
[06:45] <intelikey> read the man page
[06:45] <fignew> and or major changes
[06:45] <RawSewage> Jucato: Whats the notifictaion program called again.  I'll re-enable it
[06:45] <Jucato> fignew: Adept and Synaptic, by default, use dist-upgrade for updates
[06:45] <Jucato> RawSewage: adept_notifier
[06:45] <fignew> which can break your system :)
[06:45] <RawSewage> ty
[06:45] <Jucato> fignew: not really
[06:45] <Jucato> unless you have unofficial repos
[06:46] <RawSewage> I dont know why I turned it off
[06:46] <fignew> well, run debian unstable, and you'll agree with me :)
[06:46] <Jucato> Ubuntu != Debian Sid
[06:46] <Jucato> s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[06:46] <fignew> Ubuntu = Debian unstable snapshots
[06:47] <seishinbyou> There are a handful of special function keys/combos on this laptop that don't work right or at all under Kubuntu: Brightness, Contrast, CD Eject, External Monitor Output, Volume
[06:47] <fignew> so technically, they are the same
[06:47] <fignew> seishinbyou: what vid card?
[06:47] <Jucato> fignew: not really. Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Sid then packages it for Ubuntu.
[06:47] <seishinbyou> intel 855gm
[06:47] <fignew> that's what I said
[06:47] <Jucato> by the time it finishes package, Sid would have changed again
[06:47] <xsacha> seishinbyou: have you tried configuring your keyboard? with xmodmap thing?
[06:47] <intelikey> igor sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:47] <digivore> will dist-upgrade   upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[06:48] <RawSewage> it either case, plain sudo apt-get upgrade  is safe, right
[06:48] <fignew> yes
[06:48] <fignew> digivore: ^^
[06:48] <Jucato> which means by the time of an Ubuntu release, Sid and Ubuntu will not be exactly identical
[06:48] <xsacha> seishinbyou: you can press your key in key capturer, find out the value of that key and then enter it into xmodmap with its intended function
[06:48] <intelikey> digivore only if you change your sources.list
[06:48] <digivore> fignew, thx
[06:48] <Jucato> digivore: it's not the full story, but yes
[06:48] <seishinbyou> xsacha: the capturer doesn't pick up the key
[06:48] <Jucato> and only if you change your sources.list, as intelikey said
[06:48] <fignew> assuming you've changed your sources
[06:48] <seishinbyou> (keys)
[06:48] <xsacha> ouch!
[06:48] <intelikey> RawSewage dist-upgrade is safe too
[06:48] <digivore> sources.list will have dapper references..
[06:48] <xsacha> :(
[06:48] <seishinbyou> Next time, I'm not getting a LaVie, methinks
[06:49] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29670/
[06:49] <intelikey> RawSewage the differances are, upgrade doesn't get system upgrades like kernel  dist-upgrade will
[06:49] <fignew> 99% of the time upgrade will do the exact same thing as dist-upgrade
[06:49] <RawSewage> ok
[06:49] <RawSewage> thats weird
[06:49] <Jucato> fignew: not if you tried to upgrade from KDE 3.5.2/3.5.3 to 3.5.4 in Dapper
[06:49] <fignew> xsacha: can you at least adjust the brightness of the laptop?
[06:50] <RawSewage> There havent been any updates since Edgy came out
[06:50] <RawSewage> I guess Im used to daily updates with Edgy beta
[06:50] <Jucato> RawSewage: everybody's busy partying? heheh kidding
[06:50] <RawSewage> yeah!
[06:50] <xsacha> fignew: don't know, i've never had a problem with brightness..
[06:50] <Jucato> well of course that was Beta :)
[06:50] <Jucato> you should have started with Knot 1. updates daily
[06:50] <RawSewage> Edgy has a few bugs, but I like it
[06:50] <Jucato> sometimes even more than once a day
[06:50] <RawSewage> I started with Knot 2, I think
[06:51] <fignew> my mistake, seishinbyou: can you at least adjust the brightness of the laptop?
[06:51] <intelikey> igor that's a script error (aka bug)  try;  sudo apt-get remove xfonts-intl-european
[06:51] <xsacha> i have had this problem with some linux distributions -- really funky -- when i stick power (wall) into laptop, the monitor dims, then when i take power out and make it use its battery -- it brightens the screen!! WTF lol
[06:51] <RawSewage> but when it came out officially, I did a fresh install
[06:51] <seishinbyou> fignew: Nope.  I set it to max in Windows, and then just left it when using Kubuntu
[06:52] <seishinbyou> For some reason, the change to brightness/contrast, when made through windows, is some sort of permanent setting
[06:52] <fignew> awkward :/
[06:52] <fignew> what type of laptop?
[06:52] <intelikey> RawSewage did you get any upgrades ?   :)
[06:52] <seishinbyou> It is a LaVie (Japanese model)
[06:52] <RawSewage> intelikey: no
[06:52] <intelikey> try in a weak or so....
[06:52] <seishinbyou> LN502/C to be exact
[06:52] <igor> intelikey: again   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29671/
[06:52] <seishinbyou> I don't think NEC even makes them anymore
[06:52] <RawSewage> ok
[06:53] <soundmaster80> i have dhcp server configured but i forget where the file is to see the clients leases
[06:53] <soundmaster80> any help?
[06:53] <seishinbyou> CD Eject is just odd.  There is no eject button on the CD tray; it is done through a special function key combo.  The "Eject" menu option in KDE works, though
[06:54] <Zaire> anyone know of any good XGL helps for kubuntu that I can print and try later?
[06:54] <fignew> I'd be trouble otherwise :/
[06:54] <Jucato> !xgl > Zaire
[06:55] <intelikey> igor sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfonts-intl-european.postrm . && sudo apt-get remove xfonts-intl-european
[06:55] <seishinbyou> fignew: Well, it drive itself isn't that great; I have an external in the office I use for most of my needs anyways
[06:56] <seishinbyou> Combine that with the funky screen res and I've got one messed up laptop, but at least Kubuntu works on it to a greater degree; even Beryl
[06:56] <xsacha> that sucks seishinbyou :P my laptop has a little inbuilt button on side to press
[06:56] <soundmaster80> *sigh* can no one tell me where the dhcpd leases are found?
[06:56] <xsacha> router?
[06:57] <igor> intelikey: OK
[06:57] <fignew> soundmaster80: you mean dhcp server?
[06:57] <soundmaster80> if your asking me, i have it on the server
[06:57] <soundmaster80> yes :)
[06:57] <fignew> as in dhcpd?
[06:57] <soundmaster80> yup
[06:57] <fignew> 1 sec
[06:57] <soundmaster80> i have my server with dhcp giving address, i just want to see where that file is so i can look a machine up
[06:57] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base
[06:58] <soundmaster80> also, my previous question....i would like to remote desktop to a xp MCE box but i'm having a hard time with krdc
[06:58] <fignew> soundmaster80: check under /var/lib/misc
[06:58] <intelikey> if that goes without a hitch we call jucato and get you on edgy.
[06:58] <seishinbyou> xsacha: Well, beggers can't be choosers, and this laptop was given to me by the company
[06:58] <seishinbyou> It's better than running Windows
[06:58] <soundmaster80> nothing there
[06:59] <fignew> hmm
[06:59] <fignew> 1 sec
[07:00] <soundmaster80> found it thanks...../var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases
[07:00] <igor> intlikey: OK
[07:00] <soundmaster80> can anyone help with the remote desktop problems i'm having now :)
[07:00] <intelikey> igor your system is ready for the upgrade.
[07:00] <fignew> har!
[07:00] <intelikey> wish jucato was around now.....
[07:00] <xsacha> in windows task manager, the memory usage values for processes have shared memory subtracted from them?
[07:00] <igor> I'm not sure I want one any more
[07:00] <igor> :)
[07:01] <intelikey> igor well at least if you don't it's not broken now.
[07:01] <soundmaster80> lol, nevermind...apparantly it's working now as well
[07:01] <igor> Thanks man
[07:01] <fignew> soundmaster80: just wondering, what type of remote desktop?
[07:02] <intelikey> igor any time.  i know how big a headach dpkg errors can be.
[07:02] <fignew> what software?
[07:02] <intelikey> igor that's the one part of the system that you don't want broke....
[07:02] <soundmaster80> windows xp remote desktop
[07:02] <fignew> rdesktop :(
[07:02] <ironfroggy> anyone having trouble with AIM through Kopete?
[07:02] <soundmaster80> i use it to update, etc my media center box
[07:02] <igor> so can you tell me this:
[07:02] <fignew> MythTV!
[07:03] <igor> what source list should I use for upgrade?
[07:03] <intelikey> edgy
[07:03] <soundmaster80> lol, i know....i would use mythTV but i don't think that it does dvd playback as a regular dvd player
[07:03] <igor> yes, but which repos
[07:03] <fignew> I'm sure it does :P
[07:03] <fignew> that's basic
[07:03] <soundmaster80> oh, and i have an nvidia dualtv and i don't think it's supported ither
[07:03] <igor> all or just some
[07:03] <soundmaster80> true, and thinking about it...i don't want to have to remap keys
[07:04] <intelikey> igor ok pastebin your sources.list and i'll make corrections for you.
[07:04] <soundmaster80> i must admit...i just built the system, installed the OS, and everything worked
[07:04] <soundmaster80> plug in the remote and it's laid out well
[07:04] <intelikey> i think all but don't remember if your backports was commented out or not.
[07:04] <fignew> :( @ nvidia
[07:05] <xsacha> anyone have a default xorg.conf they can paste? with all the wacom entries and rest of it
[07:05] <soundmaster80> i don't like giving ms anymore credit than i have to
[07:05] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29677/
[07:05] <intelikey> why does M$ need credit.  M$ can afford to pay cash.
[07:05] <Zaire> MS sucks lol
[07:05] <soundmaster80> lol
[07:05] <fignew> MCE is ok, just not as flexible as myth
[07:05] <igor> intelikey: I am in japan, so I think I can use  jp instead au?
[07:05] <soundmaster80> true...very true
[07:05] <fignew> Zaire: huh?
[07:05] <xsacha> mce for some reason doesnt work with either of my tv cards
[07:05] <intelikey> igor ok. i'm on it.
[07:06] <fignew> MS is fine
[07:06] <xsacha> and i like the software that came with my tv card better
[07:06] <soundmaster80> however i'm not one to say that linux will be bursting onto the main desktop scene anytime in the next couple of years...but that's another topic :)
[07:06] <seishinbyou> Ooh, another one (referring to igor in Japan)
[07:06] <Zaire> I would love it if linux was mainstream I hate windows with a passion lol
[07:07] <seishinbyou> It is on the server side
[07:07] <soundmaster80> as do i, but working 5 years in rural community tech support i can tell you that linux is not ready for the masses yet....i do not like saying it but still
[07:07] <xsacha> lol
[07:07] <fignew> no need to hate windows
[07:07] <soundmaster80> i agree with zaire
[07:08] <xsacha> needs to work out of box for everyone
[07:08] <fignew> I don't think it *needs* improvement
[07:08] <Zaire> for me I hate windows thats all I got to say about it
[07:08] <fignew> works perfect for me ;)
[07:08] <fignew> It's not meant to be a OS for everyone
[07:09] <soundmaster80> true, I would just like the person who is ready to throw it to the masses to work tech support for those people for a couple of years
[07:09] <xsacha> how long till mp3 can be packed in distro without it being a restricted format?
[07:09] <seishinbyou> That is why there are so many distros, because one size definitely does not fit all
[07:09] <Zaire> dunno if anyone else has tried Vista RC2 but I tried it out of curiosity and it breaks so damn easy
[07:09] <soundmaster80> i love it...it's wonderful for me...just not everyone :)
[07:09] <fignew> amen soundmaster80
[07:09] <Zaire> I installed daemon tools and vista broke
[07:10] <seishinbyou> So did Windows 3.0 though (oops, UAE window of death.  I must have breathed wrong)
[07:10] <soundmaster80> thank you fignew
[07:10] <xsacha> vista version of daemon tools Zaire?
[07:10] <fignew> Zaire: I bet I can break linux before I break windows :P
[07:10] <soundmaster80> hmm....possible
[07:10] <Endler> Linux needs get get better video and wifi  driver support.  Other than that, I think it's really for prime time.
[07:10] <xsacha> yeah wifi is shocking right now, i have to use windows drivers -- atleast the windows drivers work on it though
[07:10] <fignew> video, you just need to know two words nvidia or intel ;)
[07:11] <soundmaster80> well, i've talked to people for 30-45 minutes looking for an icon that has been moved an inch away
[07:11] <Zaire> a friend of mine uses a wifi card and it didn't need drivers or anything it was recognized the moment he stuck it in
[07:11] <soundmaster80> true
[07:11] <xsacha> lucky him :) i wasnt so lucky
[07:11] <Endler> What about the WPA situation?
[07:11] <Zaire> I think it was a prism2
[07:11] <fignew> WPA works fine
[07:12] <soundmaster80> well, my philosophy is just research before what works easist and buy that
[07:12] <Zaire> and he was using damn small linux
[07:12] <xsacha> yeha no more ati cards
[07:12] <intelikey> igor ok try this one.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29680/plain/
[07:12] <soundmaster80> i am SO not giving this to my mother....the second i tell her to pop open a CLI it's over
[07:12] <Endler> I don't know of a single card that works natively with WPA -- all use wpa_supplicant.
[07:12] <fignew> xsacha: I wont be buying ATI because they dropped support for my 9200... a perfectly functional card
[07:12] <soundmaster80> atheros?
[07:13] <xsacha> lol soundmaster80 :P
[07:13] <soundmaster80> lol, well it's true
[07:13] <intelikey> igor be advised that the website uses M$ markup so you cant just dl that and use it.  it will have wrong end of line chars
[07:13] <Zaire> lol 9200 thats understandable that they did
[07:13] <xsacha> i wont be buying ati coz their drivers suck -- simple
[07:13] <xsacha> Zaire: nvidia still support geforce 2 in their latest drivers
[07:13] <fignew> Zaire: how so? it had 128mb of ram
[07:13] <soundmaster80> i have a friend who is die-hard linux and is ready to give it to everyone he knows...but he's never worked on anyone's pc but his own
[07:13] <xsacha> let alone, geforce 4 mx440 -- a card i had 5 years ago
[07:14] <intelikey> igor if you dl that do "dos2unix <filename> "  to it.
[07:14] <Zaire> 128 is laughable with the games that are coming out now
[07:14] <Endler> I just put Kubuntu on my notebook, but on my desktop I can't get any good  video support because nobody supports Xorg 7.2
[07:14] <Jucato> *sniff* don't be so cruel Zaire *sniff*
[07:14] <Zaire> just being honest
[07:14] <Endler> Have to use open source r300 driver, and it really sucks.
[07:14] <soundmaster80> well, it's on everything i have now...except the MCE
[07:14] <xsacha> Zaire: fact is that it's not that old though.. they are sort of forcing him to upgrade his card
[07:14] <intelikey> Jucato your back !
[07:14] <fignew> yea, I upgraded, to nvidia
[07:14] <Jucato> intelikey: yes, and about to sleep too :D
[07:15] <Zaire> I would buy ATI cause its the better graphics card
[07:15] <fignew> Zaire: I don't play many games
[07:15] <xsacha> Zaire: not on linux it isnt :P
[07:15] <fignew> Zaire: hardly ;)
[07:15] <Zaire> a friend of mine runs ubuntu on his X800 just fine
[07:15] <xsacha> Zaire: a radeon 7500 will outperform an X800 on linux :S
[07:15] <fignew> X800 is OLD!!!!
[07:15] <fignew> ;)
[07:15] <intelikey> Jucato doesnt' really matter igor may not upgrade after all.... least not today.    but we did get the package manager streightened out.
[07:15] <soundmaster80> i will love to see the day when more games are on linux...frozen bubble get old :)
[07:15] <Zaire> I know I plan to get an X1900 XTX
[07:16] <xsacha> Zaire: is it supported? :P
[07:16] <Jucato> intelikey: ah good. at least he has a working system. that's what's important :)
[07:16] <fignew> soundmaster80: savage
[07:16] <Zaire> should be yea
[07:16] <Endler> Yeah, it's a riot.  With ATI cards  the older the better for Linux--really sad.
[07:16] <intelikey> yes.  all is well.
[07:16] <xsacha> should be.. but this is ATI..
[07:16] <Zaire> so
[07:16] <soundmaster80> savage?
[07:16] <Zaire> their hardware acceleration out performs Nvidias in clock speed memory speed and pixel pipelines
[07:17] <xsacha> Zaire: not on linux
[07:17] <fignew> soundmaster80: http://www.s2games.com/savage/index.php?page=savageindex
[07:17] <Endler> Well, older Radeons, anyway.  ;)
[07:17] <intelikey> Jucato "kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base"  is there any other meta package that needs installed before the upgrade ?
[07:17] <Zaire> whatever I go for top notch hardware and gaming requires winblows unfortunately
[07:17] <Jucato> intelikey: none that I know of. check the wiki I guess
[07:18] <intelikey> Jucato i made sure he had those three...
[07:18] <Jucato> !upgrade > intelikey
[07:18] <soundmaster80> where is it that i can change konversation to open links in firefox?
[07:18] <seishinbyou> If I were interested in PC games, I'd probably just do it all on Windows anyways
[07:18] <fignew> Zaire: nah, just nvidia
[07:18] <Jucato> soundmaster80: if you make Firefox your default browser, it will open in Firefox
[07:18] <soundmaster80> ah...
[07:18] <soundmaster80> is this a RPG game?
[07:18] <Zaire> the games I play fignew won't play on linux short of UT2k4
[07:18] <intelikey> is that the latest info on this.  cause it has been a pretty buggy upgrade for many?
[07:19] <soundmaster80> LOL
[07:19] <Zaire> my main game right now is BattleField 2
[07:19] <soundmaster80> tuxracer is smooth as silk baby ...lol
[07:19] <Jucato> intelikey: that's the one fdovng uses, and the one we give out
[07:19] <fignew> soundmaster80: sorta, it's a first person realtime strat.
[07:19] <intelikey> ok.
[07:19] <fignew> you can play as an individual or as a commander
[07:20] <intelikey> igor where are you now ?
[07:20] <soundmaster80> hmm...sounds cool
[07:20] <seishinbyou> You could just dual boot; Windows for games and Linux for everything else (well, emulation of older systems is fine on either)
[07:20] <Jucato> intelikey: although a lot of factors can affect the upgrade: compiz, automatix, easyubuntu, PLF
[07:20] <Endler> I have windows on another partition, but I only seem boot into it once or twice a month now.
[07:20] <igor> intelikey: it seems to be OK, I copy-paste that to KWrite and saved with UNIX
[07:20] <soundmaster80> a lot of people dual boot for games
[07:20] <fignew> soundmaster80: real fun, needs alot of computing power though
[07:20] <igor> intelikey: it is doing the procedure now
[07:20] <intelikey> igor k  good.
[07:20] <soundmaster80> 3000+ a64 ?
[07:20] <soundmaster80> that's all i have for now
[07:21] <soundmaster80> lol, it's sad that my laptop has more HP than my desktop now
[07:21] <xsacha> http://www.thcsp.net/images/battlefield/mapping/alpine_assault/fh/v2.0/insidebarn_newtextures_b.jpg
[07:21] <Zaire> mines an AMD athlon 64 X2 3800+
[07:21] <fignew> soundmaster80: vid card?
[07:21] <soundmaster80> i wouldn't mind that but i think after i buy my mac mini i'm going core 2
[07:21] <soundmaster80> 6600gt
[07:21] <soundmaster80> lol....$200 when i bought it
[07:22] <intelikey> igor if nothing else you have learned a few things about fixing dpkg.  that could come in handy some day.  :)
[07:22] <fignew> that'll work fine
[07:22] <soundmaster80> good lord i wish gaming would slow down a bit in hardware needs
[07:22] <Zaire> Nvidia 6100 onboard
[07:22] <Endler> What about running a virtual machine inside Linux for games?  I haven't tried it, but seem like it would be more convenient
[07:22] <soundmaster80> NO
[07:22] <soundmaster80> slow
[07:22] <seishinbyou> Endler: slow slow slow
[07:22] <xsacha> Zaire: what framerate on battlefield 2 in linux?
[07:22] <Zaire> not sure dunno how to check lol
[07:22] <seishinbyou> You are better off trying in bochs if you are going that route
[07:22] <xsacha> Endler: no video acceleration in virtual machines
[07:22] <seishinbyou> and that isn't saying much
[07:22] <Zaire> that and Ive always had very bad gfx in linux for bf2
[07:23] <soundmaster80> endler, you have to realize that, at least with vmware, they have a specific set of virtual hardware that makes up the pc
[07:23] <seishinbyou> Okay for Turn Based Strategy though, maybe
[07:23] <soundmaster80> you might have a 7900 card but vmware will not see that
[07:23] <seishinbyou> It emulates its' own "VMWare" display device
[07:23] <xsacha> virtual machines cannot do 3d video acceleration, .
[07:23] <intelikey> seishinbyou email is ok for turn based stratigy .....
[07:23] <Endler> Where is the cheapest place to get a 6600?  I've had it with ATI, but don't want to spend a whole lot.
[07:24] <soundmaster80> it doesn't mirror your system but configures a virtual "prebuilt" system
[07:24] <fignew> Endler: newegg :)
[07:24] <soundmaster80> newegg.com
[07:24] <seishinbyou> intelikey: Yes, this is true, as many a game of Diplomacy can attest to
[07:24] <soundmaster80> other than that directron.com
[07:24] <igor> intelikey: I don't know what I would do without your help
[07:24] <Zaire> Im running XP pro at the moment despite my previous statements but I have been having a hard time dual booting
[07:24] <Endler> I think the cheapest they had there was $79.
[07:24] <xsacha> :S
[07:24] <intelikey> igor follow someone else ???
[07:24] <intelikey> :)
[07:24] <soundmaster80> sometimes you can find it cheaper there but i've had wonderful luck with newegg support
[07:24] <fignew> Endler: for 6600?
[07:24] <intelikey> lol
[07:24] <soundmaster80> well, up till now
[07:24] <Endler> Saw one on comp USA for $39, but it was out of stock.
[07:24] <Endler> For good, I'm sure.
[07:25] <soundmaster80> i refused a cisco router and have yet to be refunded for it
[07:25] <Endler> Yes, a 6600
[07:25] <soundmaster80> *sniff* i wanted to keep it but i needed the $350 more
[07:25] <xsacha> maybe i coulda traded in my ati for that 6600 lol
[07:25] <Zaire> mmmmm cisco routers lol
[07:25] <Endler> Yeah, I've had nothing but good luck with newegg.
[07:25] <intelikey> although i do admit most in here would have dropped that hot potatoo long before it cooled off....
[07:25] <soundmaster80> dude, they are nice but this is much better www.pfsense.com
[07:26] <soundmaster80> AH, i love that distro
[07:26] <xsacha> i think my onboard nvidia card would perform better than this ati :S
[07:26] <Zaire> I would offer a store name or 2 but its canadian sites lol
[07:26] <seishinbyou> Fine if you are in Canada, I guess
[07:26] <Zaire> yes yes I am lol
[07:26] <fignew> pfsense is good, been using m0n0wall for the past few years
[07:26] <soundmaster80> much better than m0n0wall
[07:27] <fignew> soundmaster80: on a soekris?
[07:27] <Zaire> I got my board and proc for 315 bux
[07:27] <fignew> m0n0wall is 10x better on a soekris
[07:27] <fignew> actually
[07:27] <fignew> infinitely
[07:27] <fignew> because pfsense prob. won't even run ;)
[07:27] <soundmaster80> yup
[07:28] <soundmaster80> they have a embedded version
[07:28] <soundmaster80> however i'll show you what i use for routers...brb
[07:28] <soundmaster80> well, it is a breakoff of m0n0wall
[07:28] <soundmaster80> course you probably knew that
[07:28] <Zaire> lol Ive got BW leechers on Azureus
[07:28] <Endler> Anyone using a peer guardian type program?  I used to use it under windows, but don't think it's being supported under Linux any longer.  Think they were recommending moblock or something like that.
[07:28] <intelikey> oh it's lunch time...  back in a bit.
[07:28] <fignew> yep, I've use both
[07:29] <Endler> Which are you using now?
[07:29] <Zaire> Im seeding the edgy DVD right now lol
[07:29] <soundmaster80> hmm....my dns server must have started screwing up
[07:29] <soundmaster80> webpages aren't loading
[07:29] <fignew> pfsense ;)
[07:30] <soundmaster80> http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Optiplex-GX110-PIII-933MHz-256MB-Desktop-Computer_W0QQitemZ160044530164QQihZ006QQcategoryZ140070QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[07:30] <soundmaster80> that's what i use for routers
[07:30] <xsacha> soundmaster80: http://<IP_ADDRESS> -- work?
[07:30] <xsacha> :P
[07:30] <soundmaster80> lol....actually right now i have a flashed buffalo with DD_WRT
[07:30] <fignew> http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/deals/dealzmodo-700mhz-dell-refurb-optiplex-celeron-for-4791-211390.php
[07:30] <Zaire> I use Linksys prefferably
[07:31] <soundmaster80> had to move my router to ubuntu server....waiting on one of these to come in to set it up again
[07:31] <soundmaster80> heck no....buffalo is just as good
[07:31] <soundmaster80> and cheap on newegg
[07:31] <soundmaster80> about $40
[07:31] <fignew> the problem is I'm on a 100mbit link, so no embedded router can handle that speed
[07:31] <Zaire> I would love one of those $3800 cisco network switch routers
[07:32] <soundmaster80> yeah, i go to arkansas state U. and we're getting net2 in the next few months
[07:32] <xsacha> :)
[07:33] <fignew> the only problem is finding server that are fast enough to fill up the whole pipe
[07:33] <soundmaster80> anywho, on the router....i do contract work for a local set of libraries ...pfsense does exactly what they need where it would take a $1k cisco to come close
[07:34] <Endler> The problem with using an old computer as a firewall is all the electricity it burns.
[07:34] <Zaire> yea
[07:34] <Zaire> I can deff see that lol
[07:34] <soundmaster80> true, but i wouldn't think that one i showed would be a AC hog
[07:34] <notech> cisco is worth it though
[07:34] <soundmaster80> lol, maybe
[07:34] <soundmaster80> i do like cisco
[07:35] <soundmaster80> but i like pfsense more
[07:35] <fignew> cisco is way overpriced
[07:35] <Endler> I do have computer I built esp to be  low power though.  C3 chip with passive cooling and a notebook drive.
[07:35] <soundmaster80> AMEN
[07:35] <Zaire> it was kinda funny when me and my friends went to the last Lan party here the 3 of them turned there computers on and threw a breaker lol
[07:35] <notech> i love my cisco router and switch
[07:35] <soundmaster80> and the licensing that goes with them totally blows chunks
[07:35] <fignew> Endler: I'm really big into silent computing
[07:36] <fignew> ex. I have a laptop HD in my desktop :-O
[07:36] <soundmaster80> lol, it's funny...i have a cisco sitting right beside this buffalo and its not even plugged up
[07:36] <Zaire> anyone know of any good cheap water kits cause my computer sounds like its about to take off lol
[07:36] <Endler> I used to use Compatible Systems VPN.  When Cisco bought them out they rebadged them and trippled the price :)
[07:36] <soundmaster80> fignew, i've been wishing for sometime to build a silent pc
[07:36] <soundmaster80> something passively cooled
[07:36] <pc22>  need to use internet explorer and i got it using ie4linux but i cant use activex
[07:36] <Endler> Yup, quite is good.
[07:37] <soundmaster80> www.codeweavers.com is all i can tell you pc22
[07:37] <soundmaster80> it's been the best for me at installling IE
[07:37] <pc22> checking now
[07:37] <soundmaster80> pc22, question
[07:37] <Endler> ie4linux worked really well for me.
[07:37] <soundmaster80> have you thought about vmware player and XP
[07:38] <notech> the majority of the time the fans don't need to be running full speed. buy a device to control the fan speeds, that'll make it alot quieter
[07:38] <soundmaster80> <---is possibly dumb with wine though
[07:38] <pc22> yeah but i thought if i can make it work
[07:38] <fignew> Zaire: watercooling is sorta pointless
[07:38] <fignew> because you still have fans :/
[07:38] <Zaire> unless you get a Zalman
[07:38] <fignew> true
[07:38] <Zaire> but the res on thats a beast
[07:38] <fignew> but those are insane
[07:38] <soundmaster80> true, i like vmware however...relives all problems with MS stuff :)
[07:39] <Endler> I couldn't get ubuntu server to run on the C3.  Works fine with Centos though.
[07:39] <Zaire> my system seriously sounds like its ready to take off lol
[07:39] <fignew> Zaire: Check out the Scythe ninja
[07:39] <Zaire> hmmm wher can I find it
[07:39] <fignew> google :/
[07:39] <Zaire> lol
[07:40] <Endler> Might change the Centos box to the new Oracle Unbreakable though.  Seem to fit the same purpose.
[07:40] <fignew> my heatsink is so big, I can't put the side panel on :(
[07:40] <soundmaster80> UGH, let us not speak of that name
[07:40] <fignew> oracle?
[07:40] <xsacha> i just have the heatsink and fan on my cpu.. nothing else.. runs at room temperature
[07:40] <Zaire> lol
[07:40] <Zaire> oracle
[07:40] <pc22> soundmaster80, its not free?
[07:40] <xsacha> stock ones
[07:40] <soundmaster80> i'm not sure....but i don't like what they have done
[07:40] <Zaire> I use mysql
[07:41] <soundmaster80> no, pc22 it's not free however it's wine highly configured
[07:41] <fignew> xsacha: It's sorta funny, my CPU temp is under ambient case temp with running idle
[07:41] <soundmaster80> the beta is free to see if it will do what you want
[07:41] <Zaire> mysql isn't bad once you get it all setup I just don't like how phpmyadmin leave root login wide open with no password
[07:41] <soundmaster80> that's why i suggested vmware player...it is free :)
[07:41] <pc22> ok
[07:42] <Lynoure> Zaire: you do not need to use phpmyadmin unless you want to
[07:42] <soundmaster80> forgive me for breaking the code and suggesting paid software, LOL
[07:42] <Zaire> once I got my normal account setup with the privs I needed I deleted the root users
[07:42] <soundmaster80> anywho, no i'm not sure i like this whole Oracle cutting RH's throat
[07:42] <xsacha> i use vmware workstation
[07:42] <Endler> Hmm, maybe I won't.  I thought it was going to be free.
[07:43] <Lynoure> It makes some things graphical, cute and easy, but it's not a necessary piece of mysql management software
[07:43] <soundmaster80> centos and those types are one thing but oracle could have handled it different
[07:43] <Zaire> phpmyadmin is so much easier for setting up DB's and whatnot though
[07:43] <flaccid> i've been using pma for the last 4 hours
[07:44] <Endler> Maybe they should have just bought out RH.
[07:44] <soundmaster80> honestly i was thinking about that
[07:45] <soundmaster80> or i mean something
[07:46] <soundmaster80> i can't keep looking at it like big company took advantage of little company to boost big company's sales at the possible destruction of little company
[07:46] <soundmaster80> you know there could have been some deal worked out to benefit both
[07:47] <Endler> Don't get me  wrong, I'm not a big fan of mergers at all.  I was just thinking from Oracle's perspective.
[07:47] <soundmaster80> lol, is there no comment....come on people
[07:48] <soundmaster80> well, i understand oracle's perspective but there seems to be nothing at all benefical for RH. and honestly it doesn't serve any purpose for RH to go under
[07:48] <soundmaster80> unless oracle is wanting to break them to buy them at a smaller price
[07:48] <soundmaster80> but then that's crappy too
[07:49] <Zaire> personally I don't care about Red Hat cause since Ive used both debian and debian based OS's like kubuntu I find that RH is crap
[07:49] <Endler> Well, half the CEO's are sociopaths, so I doubt ethics entered into the equation. :)
[07:50] <soundmaster80> i do too endler....and i find RH as not the greatest too, however it has done a great deal to benefit linux and i hate to throw it out in the cold so to speak
[07:50] <Zaire> I mean I used to like Rh and it was all I used before but there is so much more you can get from debian based OS's that isnt offered by rh
[07:50] <manchicken> Howdy folks.
[07:51] <manchicken> Any fwcutter Broadcom users about?
[07:51] <CVirus> manchicken: what is your Broadcom chip model ?
[07:51] <Endler> You don't want to do a lot of cool new things on servers, Zaire.  You just want them to be rock solid and boring.
[07:52] <manchicken> 4318 is it?  I'll check.
[07:52] <manchicken> yeah, 4318
[07:52] <soundmaster80> lol, again i agree with you both
[07:52] <soundmaster80> personally i just dispise RPM's
[07:52] <manchicken> I've heard rumors that it's not worth the trouble.
[07:52] <CVirus> manchicken: there are tons of articles about how to get it working
[07:52] <Zaire> well my server is running dapper and Ive had no probs so far
[07:52] <CVirus> !broadcom
[07:52] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:52] <manchicken> CVirus: I hear that you have to hard-limit throughput to 11mbps
[07:52] <soundmaster80> but, as much as i have enjoyed the conversations tonight, i have to go to bed. Good night my friends :-)
[07:52] <CVirus> manchicken: some report its working
[07:53] <Endler> Well, for a personal server, you can be adventurous.
[07:53] <manchicken> I may just try to get driverloader working.
[07:53] <manchicken> I had it working on openSuSE, it can't be that hard to get it working on Kubuntu.
[07:53] <manchicken> You guys seem to have thought of everything else.
[07:53] <manchicken> ^_^
[07:53] <Zaire> Its not just a personaly server its a dev server for my business
[07:53] <CVirus> manchicken: it worked before ? then it will work with Kubuntu
[07:54] <manchicken> CVirus: The .deb they're distributing doesn't seem to like my x86-64 arch.
[07:54] <manchicken> The RPMs didn't seem to have the same problem.
[07:54] <Endler> Well, still small scale.
[07:55] <Zaire> I found kubuntu to be the easiest setup for server software
[07:55] <Endler> I'm sure it's great for a small business.
[07:56] <manchicken> So here's a question... since (x|k)?ubuntu has so many(3) different ways of doing things, are all of the packages 100% compatible?
[07:56] <seishinbyou> All the server goats here tend to be Debian except for the ancient clients that insist on Redhat and nothing else
[07:56] <intelikey> manchicken it's all ubuntu
[07:57] <nino> I love Kubutu using it as my surveilance server!!
[07:57] <Zaire> whats the diff honestly between RH, Suse and ubuntu series when dealing with servers
[07:57] <CVirus> manchicken: http://kevinsbest.blogspot.com/2006/04/got-it-broadcom-4318-wireless.html
[07:57] <CVirus> manchicken: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=ndiswrapper+howto
[07:57] <pc22> soundmaster80, do i need to install antivirus in vmware?
[07:58] <manchicken> intelikey: Okay, so this is Kubuntu Edge... what does that map to with the other ubuntu tags (e.g. dapper)
[07:58] <CVirus> manchicken: the forums seem to be down now
[07:58] <Endler> Well, Ubuntu claims to be commited to support LTS  versions for five years on the server end, so that's a good thing--no forced upgrades just to get security patches.
[07:58] <soundmaster80> i don't think so
[07:58] <CVirus> manchicken: by the way ... if you have a Bluetooth button .. dont forget to turn it on while testing the card
[07:58] <soundmaster80> do some research i think there is a way to prevent changes on the machine
[07:58] <intelikey> manchicken *buntu edfy is ubuntu edgy
[07:59] <soundmaster80> like when you shut down it will lose changes
[07:59] <soundmaster80> i would do that if all your doing is browsing
[07:59] <Zaire> well I have to ask questions like this cause Im starting a web hosting business
[07:59] <soundmaster80> but, again, i'm going to bed pc22. if you have anymore questions i'm sure they can help you here
[08:00] <pc22> thanks soundmaster80 nighty
[08:00] <Endler> If you're starting from scratch, Ubuntu servers will prob work well.  You don't have any migration issues to worry about.
[08:00] <seishinbyou> Zaire> Some have unique methods of handlilng startup scripts, some have different was of managing software, etc.
[08:01] <seishinbyou> I honestly don't worry about it too much, but the head sysadmin here could go into great boring lengths I'm sure
[08:01] <intelikey> manchicken all that changes is the wm/de  but you can install ubuntu-server ubuntu xubuntu kubuntu or if there be any other flavour  it's still ubuntu and is still installing the same packages form the same archives/repos   the repos don't change because you install a certen desktop environment.....
[08:02] <Zaire> well so long as my security is gonna be the same more or less across the board thats one of my main concerns
[08:02] <Endler> Hey, does anyone here use Kmail with IMAP?  I've never tried it because the the critical data loss bug that's been open for over a year.
[08:03] <Endler> Looks like they may have finally fixed it now, but I don't think the patch is in Kubuntu yet.
[08:04] <seaLne> i've not had any problems using kmail and imap
[08:04] <Endler> You've been lucky then.  :)  They had some really bad code in there where they were just ignoring return codes.
[08:05] <Endler> It's possible for it to delete all your mail off the server.
[08:05] <seaLne> i've been using it for years, the only problem a while ago was overlapping password prompts because i have 3 imap accounts :)
[08:05] <intelikey> that could be handy Endler
[08:05] <Zaire> my answer is thunderbirs lol
[08:06] <Zaire> I use thunderbird for all my mail
[08:06] <Endler> Yeah, Thunderbird is good, but I kind of wanted to try Kontact and it only integrates  with Kmail.
[08:06] <intelikey> fetchmail
[08:06] <Endler> Thunderbird 2.0 should be out soon.
[08:06] <Zaire> that will be nice
[08:07] <Endler> I thought they'd release it with Firefox 2.0.
[08:07] <manchicken> Okay, so I've got GCC 4.1.2 installed, but build-essential wants to install gcc-3.4.    Kindly disregard.
[08:08] <intelikey> !b-e
[08:08] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:08] <intelikey> !packages
[08:08] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[08:08] <intelikey> !repositories
[08:08] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:08] <Endler> I just had to compile orinoco_usb from SVN because there is no package for it.
[08:09] <Endler> It acutually works well though--just doesn't support WPA.
[08:10] <Endler> It'll have to be recompiled with every kernel update though.
[08:13] <seishinbyou> Endler: I have Kmail running now with IMAP
[08:13] <Zaire> well I gtg have to burn the edgy dvd and prep my computer for a format and dual boot
[08:13] <seishinbyou> I use it because it picks up MSN Meeting invitations and applies them to KSchedule
[08:14] <Endler> Goodnight and good luck.  :)
[08:14] <VanessaE> good evening all.
[08:15] <intelikey> VanessaE
[08:15] <VanessaE> Is there any way to force the installer to NOT reformat my root fs?  It insists I have to, and I definitely do not want to lose what's already there.
[08:15] <VanessaE> hey intel.
[08:16] <Endler> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956
[08:16] <Ayabara> I have a problem with amarok. When I build my collection my computer freezes (Dell Inspiron 6000). The good people of #amarok haven't heard of this and can't understand why. Any kubuntu'ers having similar problems?
[08:16] <VanessaE> eh, I should say, the installer on the edgy livecd. :)
[08:16] <manchicken> I think I have to reboot for this to take place.  brb.
[08:16] <intelikey> VanessaE not the installed in the gui.   with the one on the alternate it can be done but is no picnic
[08:16] <Endler> Might want to check that out.   I'll try Kmail when I know it has that new patch applied.
[08:17] <intelikey> VanessaE and before you rant.   i agree 100%  there should be an option....
[08:17] <inteliwasp> er... has anyone noticed that the kubuntu website is down?
[08:17] <intelikey> but there isn't.
[08:18] <VanessaE> works for me, wasp.
[08:18] <VanessaE> (kubuntu.org)
[08:18] <Endler> I was scratching my head about that too.  Why is reformat of / required?
[08:18] <inteliwasp> and that the alternate mirrors for 6.06 are N/A?
[08:18] <Endler> I frowned at that.
[08:19] <Endler> Also though reformat of 1st partition (often a window partition) is a stupid default.
[08:20] <inteliwasp> i wonder if my isp has a bad route...
[08:21] <Endler> I usually set up all the partitions just the way I want them with a GParted LiveCD before doing any installs, so I never need  to format anything from the installer.
[08:21] <xsacha> just use fdisk? :)
[08:22] <Endler> Yeah, you can do that, but Gparted is a lot nicer.
[08:22] <inteliwasp> is there a direct download(ie: not torrent) for the 6.06 DVD?
[08:22] <intelikey> Endler cfdisk
[08:22] <xsacha> but you have to boot into live cd.. gui to get to it :S
[08:22] <xsacha> that sucks
[08:22] <sparr> What major commercial game titles are coming out for linux in the 'near' future, other than ET:QW and Savage2?
[08:23] <abattoir> inteliwasp: look at the last section of http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:23] <Endler> Well, I often  do a lot of tweaking and adusting, so it's a lot nice to use Gparted.
[08:23] <inteliwasp> abattoir, er... i cant get to the site... no route
[08:23] <xsacha> i also do a lot of tweaking and adjusting but always find the cli easier :S
[08:23] <inteliwasp> abattoir, if you can pull the link, that would be nice
[08:24] <abattoir> inteliwasp: works here... there is a US mirror and a UK one, which do you want?
[08:24] <inteliwasp> abattoir, US
[08:24] <xsacha> the cli shouldnt be easier though
[08:24] <sparr> oh, and UT2007
[08:24] <abattoir> inteliwasp: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/kubuntu/6.06.1/release.1/
[08:24] <VanessaE> what should I be aware of that differs between the alternate CD and the 'desktop' version I'm booted with now?  As far as what gets installed, that is..
[08:24] <Endler> then you have to remember all the commands and syntaxes for resizing, moving partitions, etc.
[08:25] <Endler> with each filesystem
[08:25] <inteliwasp> abattoir, many thanks
[08:25] <Cyron> Due to the size of this channel, I've disabled join and part notifications in Konversation.  Is it possible for my to instead stop the nicklist from sorting alphabetically, so it shows the users in the order they joined the channel?
[08:25] <abattoir> inteliwasp: you're welcome :)
[08:25] <xsacha> it's same syntax for all endler :P
[08:25] <pc22> anyone using ies4linux now?
[08:26] <xsacha> and it's just one keypress in cli endler
[08:26] <momal> is it possible to use cedega for free if self compiled?
[08:26] <abattoir> Cyron: not that i'm aware of, people in #konversation might know though
[08:26] <sparr> momal: yes, but its missing some features