[08:08] <iomari891> Greetings, yesterday I added the beta plasma 5.27 repo and updated. Will it automatically update to the stable when it's out?
[11:24] <mparillo> On LL (to become 23.04)? Probably yes.
[12:14] <user|99> hi everyone will plasma 5.27 be added in kubuntu 22.10 backports ppa ??? thanks
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[08:34] <qense> hello
[16:35] <qense> nand: Why is there still a lot of brainstorm code left in the wanted code? It is commented out, but it still takes space. ;)
[16:36] <nand> qense: it was left as an example
[16:36] <qense> ok, thx
[16:36] <nand> you can remove it, if you want
[16:36] <nand> but some examples can be helpful I think!
[16:37] <qense> They can stay for a while
[16:37] <qense> But why is the page check double? First there is a switch for $this->_page and next there is an if structure that checks the same.
[16:38] <nand> because, taken from the brainstorm code, the first switch group the pages by kind (here, all ideas listing pages)
[16:38] <nand> and then, for each of these ideas listings, it add some customs options
[16:39] <qense> oh
[16:39] <qense> And because a lot of them are commented out it seems useless nwo?
[16:39] <nand> yep
[16:40] <qense> ok
[16:41] <qense> thanks
[17:11] <qense> What should I do with the copyright notices?
[17:12] <qense> at pages from the wanted module nand created, but which I adapt for new pages within the same module
[17:17] <nand> well, put also your name
[17:17] <qense> ok
[17:18] <qense> I don't have experience with this copyright stuff. :)
[19:58] <thorwil> hello!
[19:59] <thorwil> nealmcb: have a look at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/IntrepidCountdownBanners, please :)
[20:00] <thorwil> arg, i meant newz2000
[20:03] <nealmcb> thorwil: well thanks anyway - I love the hand countdowns!
[20:03] <thorwil> :D
[20:04] <nealmcb> we could use sign language - that would fit
[20:04] <Volans> for me the most interesting of the three is the first one, the moving dots
[20:05] <thorwil> nealmcb: i guess in sign language is different from finger counting? (i know that there are different styles of finger counting around the world)
[20:05] <nealmcb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3dm8-8qtI
[20:07] <nealmcb> but I imagine there are stylized ways to show them also
[20:07] <thorwil> nealmcb: cool, ty. finger touching doesn't work with silhouettes
[20:09] <nealmcb> http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/Counting-on-Numbers-in-Sign-Language.id-1972.html
[20:09] <nealmcb> it would be incorrect to put two hands like that next to each other for double digits, but might be reasonable
[20:27]  * Volans dinner


[00:07] <b_> hello all
[00:07] <b_> im having problems loading mythbuntu 8.10 live cd
[00:08] <b_> the system halts at '"squashfs version..."
[00:08] <b_> it just stays like that; i tried downloading new images and everything.
[00:08] <b_> can someone help?
[00:12] <b_> wel... ?
[00:13] <tgm4883> seriously?
[00:14] <OZ3TL> seriously what ???
[00:16] <tgm4883> he stuck around for 6 minutes
[00:16] <tgm4883> I just clicked back to xchat
[00:16] <tgm4883> and hes gone
[00:17] <tgm4883> perhaps if he had waited alittle bit someone could have helped him
[00:19] <OZ3TL> ohhh i can't help anybody 1: just installed it 2. not very good writing english but can read and understanda lot of it
[00:20] <OZ3TL> so i'm only here to learn about mythbuntu
[00:22] <OZ3TL> any of my questions will be asked in other channels where i can write what i mean i my own languade
[00:30] <BCampbell> suddenly lost ability to record.  Setup two shows to record tonite, now they're not listed and I cannot schedule anything to record.  Please give me some hints
[00:44] <BCampbell> never mind...looked like an setup issue..resolved now
[01:18] <bsusa> hello
[01:20] <bsusa> could someone please help me? Whenever i run Mythbuntu frontend fullscreen, the taskbar does not dissapear from the screen, why is this?
[01:23] <superm1> bsusa, try closing compiz
[01:23] <superm1> (if it's open)
[01:28] <bsusa> i dont have it installed
[01:33] <tgm4883> bsusa, did you use the screen setup wizard?
[01:37] <bsusa> nope this happend when i plugged in my projector
[01:37] <bsusa> its always been working fine though
[01:55] <bsusa> i just uplugged seems to work fine now
[01:56] <bsusa> so you know much about mythtv?
[01:56] <bsusa> you know how you can remotley watch it through a database
[01:57] <bsusa> is it possible to add the Mythvideo feature to it as well so you can watch Videos as well as Recordings
[02:08] <arrrghhh> howdy folks.  when I cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg - i get video (static) so i'm guessing it just needs to be set to a channel.  when i setup myth, it sees the card but it doesn't seem to work.  says "tuner1 unavailable" in the system status page.
[02:11] <arrrghhh> i don't get anything when i goto "watch tv" - so there's definitely something i still need to do to setup the card within myth... i'm just not sure what!  i've never used mythbox before, but i've always been very interested in the idea.  my work was throwing a computer away with a pvr-150 in it, so i figured i'd give it a shot!
[02:24] <Shadow__X> arrrghhh, have you looked up on the myth wiki on how to setup your card
[02:24] <Shadow__X> hey superm1 for the totem mythtv plugin i have the info in gconf put the plugin isnt in the totem menu
[02:25] <hads> !logs
[02:25] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[02:25] <hads> arrrghhh: Check those, they should have pointers
[02:26] <bsusa> is it possible to add the Mythvideo feature to it as well so you can watch Videos as well as Recordings
[02:32] <Shadow__X> superm1, you here
[02:33] <Shadow__X> i just read that the mythtv plugin wasnt ready for 8.10s release is that trust
[02:33] <Shadow__X> and if so are there still no newer builds that reinpmiment that feater
[02:52] <bsusa> hello anyone here
[02:52] <bsusa> ?
[02:54] <Shadow__X> anyone know how to recet the keyring password
[03:13] <bsusa> can you use a shared folder on MythVideo to play remote videos?
[03:44] <Shadow__X>  using the frontend
[03:59] <bsusa_> on the remote pc
[04:00] <bsusa_> i cant get samba to see the shared folders any ideas?
[04:31] <bsusa> hello all
[04:32] <bsusa> i setup samba and i cannot see anyone on the network, i am not sure wats wrong, could someone help me please
[04:55] <Fritz> hi
[04:57] <Fritz> I was hoping somebody here might have a suggestion for me regarding a MythTV problem I'm having with mythbuntu.
[04:58] <Fritz> When watching liveTV or a recording, it frequently stops responding to the remote or keyboard input.  I'll push several buttons and nothing will happen.
[04:59] <Fritz> Then, anywhere from 30 seconds to 2 minutes later, it is like mythTV "catches up" and it will run all of my button presses at once
[05:01] <Fritz> I've been using mythtTV for 5 years now and I've never had this type of problem, I don't even know where to start looking.
[05:05] <hads> I've heard of a few people with that lately, not seen it myself though.
[05:06] <hads> I *think* there's a ticket on it
[05:06] <Fritz> I've had trouble finding anything, but it's probably a lack of knowing what to search for
[05:10] <Fritz> thanks for the input though.  I'd be very happy just to confirm that I'm not the only one getting it
[05:12] <Fritz> I was using minimyth before I upgraded my machine last week, I think I'll try it on this hardware and see if I have the same issue
[05:22] <Shadow__X> anyone know how to autostart objects in xfce
[05:23] <hads> objects?
[05:23] <Shadow__X> programs
[05:23] <Shadow__X> better?
[05:23] <hads> ~/.config/autostart
[05:24] <Shadow__X> ah alright i guess no gui eh
[05:24] <Shadow__X> lol
[05:24] <Shadow__X> asking for too much
[05:24] <Shadow__X> thanks hads
[05:25] <hads> There may be one, I don't know much about XFCE
[05:26] <Fritz> looks like there was a gui released for XFCE 4.4 - http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
[05:26] <Fritz> so it should be available, maybe in the repos
[05:27] <Shadow__X> ah true didnt think of repos
[05:27] <Shadow__X> Fritz, yeah i did find that
[05:27] <Shadow__X> just didnt think
[05:28] <Fritz> looks like it is installed for me
[05:28] <Fritz> xfce4-autostart-editor is the command
[05:29] <Shadow__X> yeah didnt read the 4 there
[05:48] <Fritz> hads, do you happen to have any idea if the bug that I described is considered a mythtv bug or a mythbuntu bug?
[05:58] <hads> Fritz: Mythtv
[05:58] <hads> AFAIK
[05:59] <Fritz> thanks again
[05:59] <hads> np
[06:25] <bsusa> i have 1 ubuntu machine and a Myrhbuntu machine and im trying to get samba working to views shares on each one, i have set it up and i cannot see anything. I dont understand what im doing wrong, can somone help me please
[07:11] <bsusa> i have 1 ubuntu machine and a Myrhbuntu machine and im trying to get samba working to views shares on each one, i have set it up and i cannot see anything. I dont understand what im doing wrong, can somone help me please
[07:21] <Fritz> are you just sharing among the two machines?
[07:22] <bsusa> i want to get these two working first
[07:22] <Fritz> the reason I ask, is that nfs is much simpler for connections between two linux machines, but it won't work for you if you want to access from another OS
[07:24] <Fritz> if you do want to use samba, then the easiest way with any recent ubuntu variant is to boot into the gnome desktop, then right click the folder you want to share
[07:24] <bsusa> cool i just want to share from Mythbuntu to Ubuntu
[07:25] <Fritz> okay, then I would definitely recommend nfs
[07:25] <bsusa> what should i do?
[07:25] <Fritz> when you mount an nfs share, it acts just like it is on your local computer
[07:25] <bsusa> k
[07:26] <bsusa> do i have to keep mounting it when i need to use it?
[07:26] <bsusa> how would i mount this?
[07:26] <Fritz> assuming that both computers are actually on, you can put a mount instruction in your fstab file and it will mount automatically at boot
[07:27] <Fritz> if they aren't always on, then there is a tool called autofs/automount that just mounts it automatically when you click ont he directory you want it mounted at
[07:28] <Fritz> first, for both computers you will need ot make sure that nfs-kernel-server is installed from the repos, I don't think ubuntu has it by default
[07:28] <bsusa> 1 sec ill do that
[07:31] <bsusa> k they wher both installed
[07:31] <bsusa> what next?
[07:31] <Fritz> well, there is probably a graphical way to do this, but I don't know it
[07:31] <Fritz> are you comfortable using a console /editing config files?
[07:32] <bsusa> yeh
[07:33] <Fritz> okay, so to share a directory, you can edit /etc/exports
[07:33] <Fritz> I think there are some examples commented out by default, here is an example of one of my exports
[07:34] <Fritz>    /vault/music 192.168.0.*(rw,sync,all_squash)
[07:34] <Fritz> so for that line, I'm sharing /vault/music with all computers that have an IP address starting with 192.168.0.
[07:35] <Fritz> rw = read/write access, sync involves how data is written to the drive and is considered safest, all_squash makes everyone that connects to the share have guest access
[07:36] <Fritz> you can also use root_squash and everyone but root will have access based on their user/group
[07:37] <bsusa> k so if im sharing videos5 folder and my ip was <IP_ADDRESS> i would  /nas2/videos5 192.168.1.*(rw.sync.all_squash)
[07:37] <Fritz> that is, you could use root_squash instead of all_squash
[07:37] <Fritz> yes, that would allow anyone on your private network to mount it
[07:37] <bsusa> yeh thats cool
[07:37] <bsusa> let me give that a go
[07:38] <Fritz> make sure you are using commas, not periods "rw,sync"
[07:38] <bsusa> 1 sec
[07:38] <bsusa> ok
[07:42] <bsusa> k done
[07:42] <bsusa> do i need to reload a service?
[07:42] <Fritz> exactly
[07:42] <bsusa> which one?
[07:42] <Fritz> should just be nfs-kernel-server
[07:43] <Fritz> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
[07:43] <bsusa> k cool 1 sec
[07:44] <bsusa> k thats done
[07:44] <Fritz> now, to test mounting it manually, on the client machine you an run "sudo mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/nas2/videos5 /media/videos"
[07:44] <Fritz> replace "/media/videos" with whatever directory you want it to show up in
[07:45] <Fritz> the directory must actually exit, but should be empty
[07:46] <bsusa> k 1 sec
[07:49] <bsusa> cool done i can see it
[07:49] <bsusa> thanks very much
[07:49] <Fritz> no problem
[07:50] <Fritz> for an example of "permanently" mounting it, you could add a line to your /etc/fstab file like: "<IP_ADDRESS>:/media/videos nfs rw,auto"
[07:50] <Fritz> er, that isn't right, I cut some of it off
[07:51] <Fritz> "<IP_ADDRESS>:/nas2/videos5 /media/videos nfs rw,auto"
[07:52] <Fritz> however, that will only succesfully mount if the host computer is on when you boot the client computer
[07:53] <Fritz> if you aren't confident of that, I'd say look into "autofs" and it will just mount when you try to open /media/videos (or where ever you put it
[07:54] <bsusa> cool thanks heaps once more
[07:54] <Fritz> have fun with it
[07:54] <Fritz> g'night
[11:12] <bsusa> hello
[14:25] <Crewsr3_3> is there a way to get a RSS feed of the mythubuntu forums so I can see what is being talked about
[14:36] <Crewsr3_3> is there a way to get a RSS feed of the mythubuntu forums so I can see what is being talked about
[17:40] <d0netsFN> hey is anyone here?
[17:40] <d0netsFN> i was having trouble getting my audio working for my xbox 360 through my pc using mic input
[17:41] <d0netsFN> my pvr 150 has the red and white jacks. how can i set my mythbuntu to play that audio input from the pvr 150 ?
[19:23] <jduggan> does dvd ripping work out of the box in mythbuntu?
[19:28] <rhpot1991> jduggan: depends on the dvd
[19:29] <rhpot1991> for the most part yes, but some with heavy protection will give you hastles, pretty easy to solve by using gddrescue to rip them
[19:31] <jduggan> most are oldish
[19:31] <jduggan> newest is prolly matrix revolutions, which is a good few years old now :)
[19:31] <rhpot1991> I've seen some issues with dvds that I assume aren't standard, you can fix some playback issues by using xine if you have issues
[19:32] <rhpot1991> !xine | jduggan
[19:32] <Zinn> jduggan: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Xine
[19:32] <rhpot1991> I only really see it with oddball concert dvds and stuff like that
[19:32] <rhpot1991> jduggan: you should be pretty good, the new sony dvds are the ones that give you problems ripping normally
[19:33] <jduggan> xine??
[19:33] <jduggan> sorry, by ripping, i mean copying to disk and transcoding to xvideo
[19:33] <jduggan> not playing
[19:46] <rhpot1991> jduggan: you can ignore what I say about xine then, that is mostly for problems with playing back dvd menus
[19:48] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, err, IIRC, ripping is not OOB in mythbuntu
[19:48] <tgm4883> neither is playing for that matter
[19:48] <tgm4883> you have to activate that in MCC
[20:00] <erb-> can I add a menu to mythbuntu's GUI
[20:00] <erb-> like right now theres a section to see videos, music, movies
[20:00] <erb-> i want to add one for porn
[20:00] <erb-> so i dont gotta just drop all my porn in the same folder as all the movies
[20:18] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: think all you need is mythvideo
[22:36] <oobe> what is mcc
[22:36] <oobe> mythbuntu control centre
[22:36] <neoneddy> I see what you did there
[22:37] <oobe> what did i do
[22:37] <neoneddy> You asked, and answered your own question
[22:37] <oobe> lol
[22:37] <oobe> i did indeed
[22:38] <neoneddy> new to MythTV?
[22:38] <oobe> no
[22:38] <oobe> just some abreviations for things that are relatively new
[22:38] <oobe> like mcc
[22:39] <neoneddy> I find myself using "define: popculture term / acronym  here"
[22:40] <oobe> yeah i love using define:
[22:40] <oobe> i use it all the time
[22:40] <oobe> never met anyone else who does
[22:40] <neoneddy> like I was curious what the term "you better break yourself" meant once...
[22:40] <oobe> i only use it for single words
[22:40] <oobe> didnt relise you can do it for sentences
[22:40] <oobe> you mean define: in google
[22:41] <neoneddy> sure... most of that is found in urban dictionary though
[22:42] <neoneddy> it's how I stay hip and use my new pop culture words and phrases in the proper context...  we also got some sweet flash cards in the office as well, they have 50's era cartoons with today's slang and example usages
[23:01] <oobe> does anyone know a simple avi joined for linux
[23:01] <oobe> sounds like an interesting work place
[23:02] <oobe> i mean avi joiner
[23:03] <neoneddy> might not help much but I use D-Vision 3 on OS X
[23:03] <neoneddy> it's a unix variant and many OS X softwares are Linux Ports
[23:03] <neoneddy> might try searching for a linux version of that
[23:38] <snarkster> hi
[23:39] <snarkster> ive got mythbuntu up and running but having issues with dvds and automounting my usb mass storage drive.. do i just need to edit fstab and remove the udev lines?


[12:21] <shaggy2> hey got a question, I have password protect the cgi-bin derectory using .htaccess, I have 2 domains pointing to it, I would like to be able to set it so if the user on www.domain.com logged in via www.domain.net he would be rejected, but if he logged in via www.domain.com he would be allowed. is that posible using .htaaccess
[12:28] <shaggy2> is anyone here?
[20:19] <vadi2> Hi, popcon.ubuntu.com since Dec 19th hasn't been updating it's data anymore - would that be fixed sometime?


[03:02] <jose__> hello, someone know how install Eclipse in Ubuntu
[13:00] <mohbana_> hell
[13:00] <mohbana_> o
[13:00] <mohbana_> anyone here?
[13:08] <man-di> mohbana_: when you never ask a question noone will answer
[13:10] <mohbana_> can i get azureus to use a different jre? 'sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun' all the other apps seem to be using the right one jre 6 but azureus is using open jdk
[13:12] <man-di> I dont know how azurues finds the jdk but you can surely look into /usr/bin/azureus to find out
[21:21] <david_-_-> not sure if this is for this room or not but i am on hardy and i am trying to play yahoo pool but i can not seem to find the right package to install that will for my 64bit amd.


[06:34] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:03] <jamespage> cpaelzer: good morning
[10:03] <jamespage> cpaelzer: need some help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1739585
[10:03] <cpaelzer> hi jamespage
[10:03] <cpaelzer> let me read
[10:03] <jamespage> cpaelzer: ta
[10:04] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you know the nested story is "it works great most of the time until it doesn't" :-)
[10:04] <jamespage> cpaelzer: yup
[10:04] <cpaelzer> so this is one :-)
[10:04] <jamespage> cpaelzer: unfortunately we kinda rely on this for testing
[10:04] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I guess I could switch back to using userspace qemu
[10:04] <cpaelzer> sure I know the CI things behind this
[10:05] <cpaelzer> which isn't 100% reliable either
[10:05] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you could think next time you buy HW to buy AMD which is said to be slightly more stable at nested
[10:05] <cpaelzer> like 99.99 vs 99.9 %
[10:05] <jamespage> lol
[10:05] <cpaelzer> but none in the 5-9s or more
[10:08] <cpaelzer> jamespage: to confirm - this is Host "xenial (4.4) + queens stack" running zesty (or X-HWE) 4.10 KVM guests and in said KVM guests running 4.10 again
[10:08] <jamespage> cpaelzer: base cloud is 4.4 with ocata
[10:08] <cpaelzer> ok
[10:08] <jamespage> cpaelzer: test cloud is xenial (4.4 or 4.10) with queens stack
[10:08] <jamespage> from bionic basically
[10:08] <cpaelzer> yep
[10:08] <cpaelzer> ok
[10:08] <cpaelzer> thx
[10:09] <cpaelzer> jamespage: also I wonder about "specific hosts" in the bug - what makes them "specific"
[10:09] <cpaelzer> just a few of your systems but those always failing?
[10:09] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I think they are the newer hardware ones
[10:14] <jamespage> cpaelzer: yeah confirmed - flemming is ~12 months old, caipora is 6 years old
[10:14] <cpaelzer> jamespage: is flemming the failing one and is it >=Haswell thne?
[10:14] <jamespage> yes
[10:15] <jamespage> its a "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650 v4"
[10:20] <cpaelzer> jamespage: IIRC openstack will make model a host-passthrough or host-model right?
[10:36] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I dumped some background, comparison data from my system and a few requests to the bug
[10:36] <jamespage> cpaelzer: ta
[10:36] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I hope based on this we can spot a difference that is a tunable you might be able to change
[10:36] <cpaelzer> but no guarantees
[10:37] <cpaelzer> this is just setting up the scanners based on how this issue showed up a few years ago
[10:41] <jamespage> cpaelzer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26226375/ thats in the vm
[10:41] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26226377/ is the host
[10:41] <jamespage> so infact its a broadwell, not a haswell
[10:42] <jamespage> so I think that's host-model rather than host-passthrough
[11:07] <cpaelzer> jamespage: (me reading)
[11:07] <jamespage> cpaelzer: attached stuff
[11:07] <cpaelzer> thx
[11:07] <jamespage> cpaelzer: the last two are odd - one is from an OK host the other from a failing one
[11:08] <jamespage> the OK host as an AMD cpu definition
[11:08] <jamespage> but its not AMD?
[11:08] <cpaelzer> G4 AMD ?
[11:08] <cpaelzer> wut
[11:09] <jamespage> yeah
[11:09] <jamespage> that's what I said
[11:10] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'm picke dup for lunch, back later
[11:10] <cpaelzer> jamespage: how much can you tune the cpu definitions?
[11:11] <cpaelzer> for testing would you be fine dropping all these host-* things?
[11:11] <cpaelzer> a "normal"  defautl cpu might do
[11:11] <cpaelzer> back later
[11:15] <jamespage> cpaelzer: ack - tbh this is not a priority right now - need to figure it out but its nearly christmas :-)
[11:17] <jamespage> cpaelzer: tbh I'm a bit baffled - libvirt and qemu are identitical to pike, where I've not seen this issue
[11:17] <jamespage> I guess its possible non of my hypervisors landed on a newer hardware machine
[11:19] <jamespage> coreycb: good and bad news
[11:20] <jamespage> good news is I have a oct profile that will configure a queens v3 cloud and tempest configuration
[11:20] <jamespage> bad news - https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1739585
[11:20] <jamespage> I found a bug!
[11:20] <jamespage> \o/
[12:05] <cpaelzer> hmm
[12:05] <cpaelzer> back with you and reading jamespage
[12:20] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I can't reproduce, maybe all my chips are just too old
[12:20] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I tried to add all the custom cpu magic, but that isn't (as expected) compatible with the cpus I have
[12:20] <cpaelzer> and with a smaller set it doesn't trigger
[12:21] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I updated the bug but wanted to ask how much you have control over what cpu definition openstack adds in these cases?
[13:44] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I can tweak what the L2 hypervisors do, but not really the L1's
[13:45] <cpaelzer> hmm
[13:45] <cpaelzer> for now that is the best I could recommend to try
[13:45] <cpaelzer> too bad you can't normalize L1's
[13:46] <cpaelzer> as there will be the HW dependent part
[13:46] <cpaelzer> likely L2 only carries things forward
[13:46] <cpaelzer> but it looks broken enough that even only tweaking L2 might help
[15:12] <jamespage> cpaelzer: actually I'm not sure this is not a longstanding issue
[15:12] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I just think I tripped ont he same problem with a xenial/pike test
[15:13] <jamespage> yes indded i have
[15:14] <cpaelzer> ok
[15:14] <cpaelzer> so less of a regression than we thougth
[15:14] <cpaelzer> but still an issue that stalls/stops your tests
[15:14] <cpaelzer> any luck with trying to convince openstack not to try to define the custom cpu?
[17:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am trying to follow https://www.ostechnix.com/install-and-configure-dns-server-ubuntu-16-04-lts/
[17:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am a bit confused
[17:11] <Ussat> My first question would be, why do you want to run a DNS server ?
[17:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> My hostname provider does not provide dns as well
[17:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It was quite shocking so I am trying to learn how to do this thing.
[17:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> basically all the DNS server will do is to resolve two websites and its relevant subdomains
[17:24] <rbasak> That tutorial doesn't really do what you want.
[17:25] <rbasak> All the right pieces are there, but you need to understand which bits you want. It might be easier to find a more suited tutorial.
[17:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes, it seems to be creating a local dns server
[17:26] <rbasak> Yeah. For a LAN, with reverse DNS, and with the local machine configured to use its own service.
[17:26] <rbasak> None of those things are relevant for an Internet DNS server to host a properly delegated name.
[17:26] <rbasak> It's usually an error to point anything directly to a master DNS server, too.
[17:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> right so do you have a tutorial or keyword in mind for me?
[17:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am uncertain what I should seek :/
[17:29] <metastable> It may be more helpful to find a DNS hosting service than to try to roll your own, as a misconfigured public-facing DNS server can be exploited to leverage attacks on others.
[17:31] <rbasak> Depnds on the goal.
[17:31] <rbasak> As a learning experience, it's fine :)
[17:32] <rbasak> A misconfigured anything on the the Internet can be exploited.
[17:32] <metastable> A misconfigured DNS server especially so. Saying that it's as bad as anything else is a false equivalence.
[17:33] <rbasak> Installing bind in Ubuntu should be safe on its default.
[17:33] <rbasak> And so should simply adding a zone.
[17:33] <rbasak> Which I believe is all that is needed here.
[17:34] <rbasak> If it is not safe by default, please file a security bug, and I'll be happy to look at it urgently.
[17:35] <rbasak> Following unsafe third party instructions (such as enabling forwarding) is not safe.
[17:35] <sdeziel> ToAruShiroiNeko: part 2 of the tutorial you referenced touches on how to setup a master server, that's probably a good starting point
[17:35] <rbasak> But then that's sort of a tautology.
[17:36] <rbasak> sdeziel, ToAruShiroiNeko: it does, but it also conflates that with adding a reverse zone and pointing the server to its own master DNS server. The first is not necessary, and the second would be a misconfiguration in this case.
[17:38] <Ussat> Running a public facing DNS server correctly is not trivial, I would find a hosting service that will do it
[17:39] <sdeziel> rbasak: ToAruShiroiNeko: yeah, I don't know why they are putting it as dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces. It wouldn't work if only part 2 is followed
[17:39] <Ussat> I would seriousely consider finding a service to do this
[17:39] <Ussat> a mis-confgured public facing dns server is a huger target
[17:39] <Ussat> huge
[17:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Are there free providers for this where I can simply register a domain?
[17:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> in the past I have only used godaddy
[17:41] <Ussat> I dont know about free, but most are inexpensive
[17:41] <metastable> CloudFlare will host your DNS for free. You just need to change the nameservers at the domain's current registrar.
[17:41] <Ussat> there ya go
[17:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can do that, sure
[17:42] <metastable> DNS updates are also VERY, VERY quick. Seconds, in most cases.
[17:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes but my goal was to run this for two domains only and forward everything else to a known one, if I can out source this for free, I will love to do that
[17:43] <metastable> CloudFlare will do what you want.
[17:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yup, creating and account etc
[17:45] <metastable> Note that CloudFlare does a lot more than just DNS, but I don't use any of those features.


[14:40] <belkinsa> Who maintains the docs for Software Center?
[14:43] <belkinsa> Nevermind, I found it via LP.
[16:01] <cprofitt> hello docs
[16:02] <belkinsa> Hey there


[02:29] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I've been very bad about app dev since everytime I install the SDK on Kubuntu my machine randomly breaks
[02:30] <ahoneybun> yea but I even I can't live on 2G
[02:30] <ahoneybun> *even I
[02:32] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I was also wondering about advanced boot options like in android
[02:32] <ahoneybun> like reboot bootloader and recovery
[03:42] <ahoneybun> mm hotspot is not working right
[03:42] <ahoneybun> I'm getting auth problem on the device trying to connect
[03:42] <ahoneybun> device: mako
[03:42] <ahoneybun> latest stable OTA6
[06:07] <masa_> i want to try install ubuntu touch on my old droid phone. which phone do you recommend?
[06:21] <dholbach> good morning
[06:33] <mokmeister> masa: look and see if your device is on this list, if so you might be able to get ubuntu-touch on your old droid phone - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[06:33] <mokmeister> dholbach: good morning
[06:34] <dholbach> hi mokmeister
[08:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Guacamole Day! 😃
[10:05] <Prosthet1cS> Has anyone tried running a plasma mobile image on either a meizu or bq aqauris?
[10:06] <Prosthet1cS> http://kubuntu.plasma-mobile.org/
[11:03] <ogra_> oSoMoN, dbarth, do you gys have plans to ever add a fullscreen button to the browser menu ?
[11:05] <oSoMoN> ogra_, no plans, but feel free to file a bug to request the feature, it shouldn’t be hard to implement (there is already a keyboard shortcut that does that on devices with a keyboard)
[11:05] <ogra_> i just notice that i wouldnt have packaged many of my games if they would have been able to properly initiate fullscreen :)
[11:06] <oSoMoN> hehe
[11:06] <ogra_> (usually a bug in the game ... but being able to forcse fullscreen from teh browser  would solve that)
[11:06] <oSoMoN> yeah
[11:14]  * tathhu is now running ubuntu on laptop, tablet & rpi2 :o
[11:15] <ogra_> you definitely need a phone !
[11:15] <ogra_> and a drone too !!
[11:16] <tathhu> phone, maybe soonTM (again)
[11:16] <tathhu> drone... brb!
[11:20] <ogra_> heh
[11:31] <jgdx> davmor2, hey, did you make a bug for hotspot being shown on mako?
[11:35] <davmor2> jgdx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1487157 lists the 2 bugs
[11:35] <davmor2> jgdx: not sure is the second is right or not any more, I can certainly file one though
[11:35] <jgdx> davmor2, perfect
[11:36] <bkchr> Hi, has anyone an idea why my adb-emergency-shell is dying? http://pastebin.com/Nw9b3NZ0 Maybe because another adbd is already running?
[11:54] <K1773R> can i get GPS coordinates from CLI?
[12:03] <tathhu> Can I get someone to buy me an ubuntu phone? :P
[12:03] <k1l_> if you found one tell him i need one too :)
[12:04] <tathhu> :D
[12:04] <tathhu> Stupid me :)
[12:08] <pete-woods> pitti: it's that time again (https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/11)
[12:08] <pete-woods> if you could merge that into the stable overlay PPA again, it would be extremely helpful
[12:30] <bkchr> Anyone has an idea why my upstart doesn't create any log files in log/upstart?
[12:37] <greyback> bkchr: /var/log/upstart and ~/cache/upstart are where upstart logs usually
[12:38] <greyback> ~/.cache/upstart
[12:43] <bkchr> greyback: ahh okay, under ~/.cache/upstart there is something but nothing under /var/log/upstart, hmmm. http://pastebin.com/DkVJYktp any ideas why everything is crashing?
[12:43] <greyback> bkchr: define "everything" - it looks like ubuntu-location-service is in a crash loop though
[12:44] <greyback> you've got a bunch of system services failing
[12:45] <greyback> bkchr: what image has you installed?
[12:45] <greyback> have
[12:46] <greyback> even your syslog service died. Which would explain the lack of logs
[12:47] <bkchr> greyback: Hmm what image should I use? I'm new and I think I took the wrong -.-
[12:47] <greyback> bkchr: what device are you using?
[12:48] <bkchr> greyback: Oneplus one, porting a kernel^^ Used the following image "ubuntu-.." image: http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu/generic/index.json
[12:50] <greyback> bkchr: I'm not a porting expert. But I would recommend working on the "rc-proposed" (or "rc-stable") image instead of "devel"
[12:50] <greyback> rc-* = vivid
[12:50] <greyback> devel = wily, which isn't getting much attention
[12:50] <greyback> we're focusing on delivering the phone based on the stable vivid foundation
[12:52] <bkchr> greyback: So I should use one of these? http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu/generic/index.json or should I use a rc-proposed?
[12:54] <greyback> bkchr: either is ok, rc-proposed changes daily, whereas stable moves very slowly (i'm not sure how often "rc" changes, not much looking at its history)
[12:57] <jibel> rc changes as often as stable
[12:57] <pitti> pete-woods: heh, looking
[12:58] <bkchr> okay thx, I will try the rc-proposed ;)
[12:58] <jibel> bkchr for reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels
[13:00] <greyback> jibel: good to know, ta
[13:03] <pete-woods> pitti: thanks :)
[13:07] <bkchr> jibel: ahh. Maybe someone should edit this page, because ony devel-proposed states that it is wily
[13:23] <pitti> pete-woods: done: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=dbusmock&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[13:30] <pete-woods> pitti: awesome! much appreciated! :)
[13:34] <bkchr> greyback: Could you maybe help me another time? My android-tools-adbd.log shows "install_listener('tcp:5037','*smartsocket*')" but I never see the device at my pc, any ideas?
[13:37] <zaolin> Does anyone know why the audio playback interrupts on each device action ? For example locking the screen.
[13:46] <seb128> mterry, hey
[13:46] <seb128> mterry, we can revert that libusermetrics landing if you prefer
[14:03] <mterry> seb128, no it's fine
[14:03] <mterry> seb128, unity8 should handle "" better if it's not the invalid-flag I thought it was
[14:04] <seb128> mterry, thanks for working on that!
[14:04] <mterry> seb128, I didn't mean to sound ornery  ;)
[14:04] <seb128> you didn't
[14:04] <didrocks> that's volounteering
[14:05] <seb128> but you were right on principle, buggy updates should probably be reverted
[14:05] <mterry> :)  speaking of volunteering, I need to do sponsoring today
[14:06] <jdstrand> beuno: hey, it might be time to bzr pull the review tools. there are two small updates for touch. this is not time-critical
[14:07] <beuno> jdstrand, ack ack, cc/ pindonga
[14:07] <pindonga> will do
[14:12] <jdstrand> thanks
[14:17] <mpt> charles, hi, perhaps you could pop in to #ubuntu-desktop to help us understand some indicator-power stuff
[14:17] <mpt> particularly the terminology involved in <https://code.launchpad.net/~mdeslaur/indicator-power/fix-priorities/+merge/260903>
[14:21] <greyback> bkchr: sorry man, that layer I don't know anything about. ogra_ might be able to point you in right direction
[14:27] <bkchr> greyback: okay.
[14:29] <TonyBoston> is there any new way to sync with owncloud?
[14:29] <bkchr> ogra_:  Hi, could you help with the adb daemon? I see in the kernel log that adb is started "adb_open", but my device isn't showing up at my PC. lsusb doesn't show anything. Added adb to /data/android-data/property/persist.sys.usb.config. Created the android-tools.override in /etc/init....
[14:30] <ogra_> if you already dont see it in lsusb there is a deeper prob than adb
[14:31] <ogra_> you should definitely see a connect event in dmesg when you plug it in and there should also be some entry in lsusb
[14:31] <ogra_> else i'd say the USB interface on  the phone side isnt up
[14:32] <bkchr> how can I check if the usb interface is up?
[14:32] <ogra_> well, via lsusb and dmesg as i said
[14:32] <ogra_> for the phone side ... that depends on your device and how it handles that
[14:32] <bkchr> dmesg on my pc doesn't show any connect/disconnect. Yesterday I tried the same kernel, but with an older image
[14:33] <bkchr> and my adb was working :/
[14:34] <ogra_> well, i havent touched adb on phones in about a year now (and dont work on the phone anymore ) ... but i doubt anythin in the rootfs has changed in that regard
[14:36] <bkchr> hmm okay, but I think you're right that the problem isn't an adb problem, more an usb problem.
[14:40] <bkchr> ogra_: I see "gadget: android_usb ready" in my kernel log. Maybe you have some hints, for what I could search?
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/white-version-of-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-no-longer-in-stock-491910.shtml
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> you guys bought too much
[15:34] <mariogrip> Yey, got my oneplus two today :D
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> nice mariogrip !
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> mariogrip: will the one+one image work on it?
[15:38] <mariogrip> lotuspsychje: unfortunately it will not work. but I hope the porting will go faster than on the one.
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> cool, good luck mariogrip
[15:39] <mariogrip> Thanks :D
[16:39] <old_benz> mariogrip: can't wait for the OPO...
[16:45] <mariogrip> old_benz: :D
[16:55] <taiebot> Hey ya all. Are we ever going to have scopes like Nearby on nexus 4 i have been waiting for a long time but they never appeared. :'(
[17:05] <taiebot> Also has there been any progress regarding app startup there was a thread on the mailing list talking about some work by Benjamin Zeller
[17:14] <old_benz> hey guys, I've checked out Ubuntu Touch following the "port to new dvices" guide
[17:15] <old_benz> I'm just very stupid, but where are the kernel sources?
[17:17] <old_benz> It says on the developer page: You can find your kernel config at kernel/[manufacturer]/[codename]/arch/arm/configs/ cyanogenmod_[codename]_defconfig.
[17:17] <old_benz> I don't have a kernel folder though, in my ~/phablet folder
[17:26] <Shihab> Hai
[17:35] <old_benz> I found this: git clone git://phablet.ubuntu.com/CyanogenMod/android_kernel_asus_grouper.git
[17:35] <old_benz> that's for the 2012 Nexus 7
[17:35] <old_benz> but I don't see a similar repo for Nexus 7 2013 - flo
[17:45] <old_benz> any help guys?
[17:49] <ogra_> old_benz, the kernels for the suppported nexus devices are somewhere on kernel.ubuntu.com
[17:49] <ogra_> (and packaged as debs in the ubuntu archive)
[17:50] <old_benz> so they are not build alongside Ubuntu Touch?
[17:50] <ogra_> what would "build alongside ubuntu touch" mean now ?
[17:51] <ogra_> the images are built from deb packages
[17:51] <old_benz> I see
[17:52] <old_benz> I only found this: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ppisati/ubuntu-nexus7.git/
[17:52] <ogra_> you want to search for the codename ... i.e. flo
[17:52] <old_benz> don't find anything with that search
[17:53] <ogra_> that branch is most likely from a few years ago when we tried desktop on the tablet
[17:53] <old_benz> that's what I figure
[17:53] <ogra_> ask in #ubuntu-kernel then ...
[17:53] <ogra_> note that all of the above only applies to the nexus images
[17:54] <ogra_> non-nexus devices usually build their kernel from the android tree directly
[18:00] <old_benz> ogra_: thanks, asking there
[18:00] <ogra_> :)
[19:50] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: You've been quite lately
[19:54] <dhbiker> ogra_, did something major change today in rc proposed ?
[19:55] <dhbiker> battery life is quite better for me now on arale
[21:09] <old_benz> rtg: do you know where I might be able to find the sources of the custom CWM recovery that Ubuntu Touch uses?
[21:09] <old_benz> sorry, all: do you know where I might be able to find the sources of the custom CWM recovery that Ubuntu Touch uses?
[21:11] <old_benz> also, is it possible to install Ubuntu Touch without the custom recovery?  The kernel sources that "flo" is using are patched up to support this device.  The root of my problem is that the CWM recovery isn't able to mount any partitions
[21:55] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Yeah, I have been way to busy lately. but now i
[21:56] <mariogrip> 'm back with a shiny new oneplus 2
[21:58] <ktatar156> Hello
[21:59] <ktatar156> I've got a problem with flashing
[21:59] <ktatar156> paste.ubuntu.com/12430800
[22:00] <ktatar156> Last message from terminal was ~25 minutes
[22:00] <ktatar156> should I stop that by CTRL+C and do it again? Can that break device?
[22:05] <mariogrip> ktatar156: The script only pushes the tarballs to device, and the devices recovery will install the updates on the system. so it is save to stop and do it again.  (dont reboot the device if there is a spinning Ubuntu logo, that means that it's progressing the tarballs and edits the system)
[22:06] <mariogrip> safe*
[22:06] <mariogrip> so, the script is safe to stop at any time.
[22:07] <mcphail> ktatar156: I've had similar problems with a silently dropped adb connection
[22:07] <mcphail> ktatar156: the channel flashing is certainly buggy
[22:07] <mariogrip> Yeah, a dropped adb connection will halt the script
[22:08] <mariogrip> halt/crash
[22:08] <mcphail> ktatar156: I've had better results flashing from recovery, but I don't know if that was just good luck
[22:09] <ktatar156> Thanks. So I must just try and try?:)
[22:10] <mcphail> ktatar156: yep :)
[22:10] <mariogrip> mcphail: Should be the same, the script will just "fastboot boot recovery.img" any way.
[22:10] <mcphail> mariogrip: I've never had a dropped connection when flashing from recovery, though
[22:11] <mariogrip> I dunno, but it *should* be the same, since it boots the same image
[22:11] <mcphail> mariogrip: yes, probably just luck
[22:11] <mariogrip> :)
[22:12] <mcphail> mariogrip: I did wonder whether there was a bug which makes the system drop adb connections, though
[22:12] <ogra_> the USB on the meizu is very picky in general
[22:12] <ogra_> thats a HW issue
[22:13] <mcphail> ogra_: i have the bq
[22:13] <ogra_> if you have a device with USB 1.1 port, try that ...
[22:13] <ogra_> or an 1.1 hub you can put in the line
[22:13] <ogra_> that usually tames it
[22:13] <ogra_> mcphail, yeah, i was more commenting on the problem above
[22:15] <ktatar156> So, to get best result, I should use ubuntu-device-flash touch --wipe --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en --bootstrap --recovery-image=recovery.img in fastboot mode, yes? Or other command?
[22:16] <ogra_> if you use --botstrap you dont need --wipe
[22:16] <mcphail> ktatar156: that will completely wipe the device
[22:16] <ogra_> *bootstrap
[22:16] <ktatar156> I want to delete as much as I can and reinstall all
[22:17] <ogra_> then --bootstrap is correct
[22:17] <ktatar156> without --wipe?
[22:18] <mcphail> ktatar156: you don't need --wipe to wipe the device if flashing from fastboot with --bootstrap
[22:18] <mcphail> (--bootstrap was enough for a full wipe for me, anyway)
[22:20] <ktatar156> ok, thanks
[22:20] <ktatar156> But still I'm not lucky man, can't flash it... maybe because of using Ubuntu in virtual box...,
[22:22] <mcphail> ktatar156: You're quite brave to be flashing a device from a virtual machine
[22:25] <ktatar156> Just can't make my arch working with that ubuntu-device-flash...
[22:28] <ktatar156> maybe phablet-tools? But how to use them - what command to flash with stable channell Meizu?
[23:10] <ahoneybun> nice mariogrip


[00:18] <xnox> thank you
[00:18] <xnox> gonna resintall now
[00:25] <xnox> vorlon: can you please at least add one test case? like normal install to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/446/builds/287742/testcases because otherwise nobody can report neither success nor failure.
[01:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rust-ashpd (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.6.2-2ubuntu1 => 0.6.2-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[01:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rust-ashpd [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.6.2-2ubuntu2]
[01:14] <xnox> found it
[01:18] <xnox> https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/casper/+git/casper/+merge/452494
[01:59] <vorlon> xnox: the thing is I can't link test /cases/, I have to link test /suites/, and that's what wants refactoring/cleanup.  In the meantime I've linked the Ubuntu Desktop testsuite (lucky me that I got the right one by that name!) so there are places to link test reports
[02:01] <vorlon> xnox: kernel-meta-package hnngh dbungert mwhudson_ and I had discussed that this cycle, and I distinctly remember a "maybe we shouldn't do that in casper"
[03:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: partitionmanager (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.08.1-0ubuntu1 => 23.08.1-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu)
[09:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted partitionmanager [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.08.1-0ubuntu2]
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rust-xkb (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-2 => 0.3.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rust-xkb [sync] (mantic-proposed) [0.3.0-1]
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rust-xkbcommon-sys (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.7.5-2 => 1.4.1-2~ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[13:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rust-xkbcommon-sys [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.4.1-2~ubuntu1]
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rust-xkbcommon-sys (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.4.1-2~ubuntu1 => 1.4.1-2~ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rust-xkbcommon-sys [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.4.1-2~ubuntu2]
[17:52] <vorlon> fossfreedom_: in reviewing casper vs livecd-rootfs stuff for the new arm64+x13s image, I noticed that the new budgie image is not able to do offline installs due to the way subiquity handles kernels.  If this is something you want to support, you'll need to seed a copy of the kernel in the package pool on the ISO
[17:52] <vorlon> fossfreedom_: (the 'ship-live' seed)
[17:52] <vorlon> (see ubuntu for reference)
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Not sure if you got the memo, but one of the takeaways from this past Ubuntu Flavor Sync meeting was that ubiquity *must* be sunset before 24.04's release to avoid supporting it for the duration of the LTS, which means all flavors will be making a gigantic effort to switch to subiquity/u-d-i in the next cycle.
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> (except Lubuntu)
[18:04] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: who decided that it must be sunset?
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Desktop team.
[18:05] <vorlon> I am in principle in favor of the idea of getting flavors to re-consolidate on an installer that is actively maintained and developed
[18:06] <vorlon> but also, just as the Desktop Team doesn't maintain calamares, the Desktop Team wouldn't be responsible for maintaining a ubiquity that's in universe, if flavors insisted on sticking with that
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> Flavors don't want to maintain something they don't have 1) commit access to, and 2) don't have general community support from.
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> Flavors *are* Ubuntu, not separate distributions.
[18:08] <jbicha> I don't think it's the Ubuntu Desktop team position that flavors "must" switch away from ubiquity for 24.04 LTS; but it is a good goal
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: The general consensus is that flavors don't want to use something that they're not getting the promised support from Canonical for.
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> Being an offical flavor has "perks", and that's one of them.
[18:10] <jbicha> Eickmeyer: that's saying something than your original statement
[18:10] <jbicha> *something different
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: Maybe I'm misinterpreting Oliver's position?
[18:11] <jbicha> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/flavor-sync-meeting-notes-september-11-2023
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: It's not in the notes, but it was definitely discussed.
[18:12] <jbicha> discussed as a goal to stop using ubiquity or as a mandate?
[18:13] <jbicha> Ubuntu Desktop needs to stop shipping a separate legacy ISO. Doing that & dropping ubiquity to universe relieves the 10 year support commitment
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> A mandate, iirc. No flavor lead currently has commit access to Ubiquity, so what advantage would it give us to keep using it and repair issues on our own?
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> Historically (not recently) it has been like pulling teeth to get MPs in.
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> That's why Lubuntu switched installers altogether.
[18:17] <vorlon> "don't have commit access to" - it's self-evident to me that if the Desktop Team (and Canonical) discontinued maintenance of ubiquity, that would change
[18:17] <vorlon> just like it did for unity
[18:18] <vorlon> if the flavors have all concluded that their preference is to adopt ubuntu-desktop-installer for 24.04, though, then I'm thrilled, because that's more code I can delete from livecd-rootfs
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> Still, I have no interest in maintaining something that is like a patchwork quilt of python files upon python files. subiquity is much more solid, and the other flavor leads agree.
[18:20] <vorlon> I do dispute the claim that Lubuntu switched to calamares because it was "pulling teeth" to get MPs in
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: refpolicy (mantic-proposed/universe) [2:2.20230821-1 => 2:2.20230929-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted refpolicy [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2:2.20230929-1]
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Ask tsimonq2 .


[09:39] <mup> PR snapd#12465 closed: aspects: support deleting entries <Skip spread> <Pulse> <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12465>
[12:39] <mup> PR snapd#12480 opened: packing/fedora: remove no_bpf from centos9 as it supports the BPF reference policy <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12480>
[12:54] <mup> PR snapd#12479 closed: o/configstate/configcore: users.go makes sense only with !nomanagers <Simple 😃> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12479>
[14:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#4014 opened: snap: add remove hook to delete base instances and base images <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4014>
[15:10] <mup> PR snapd#12478 closed: tests: reduce the number of conections testsed in debian 10 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12478>
[18:51] <mup> PR snapd#12481 opened: tests: improvements for nested tests <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12481>
[23:02] <mup> PR snapd#12482 opened: bootloader: handle uboot with SYS_REDUNDAND_ENVIRONMENT=n <Created by alexclewontin> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12482>


[07:42] <tsdgeos> Mirv: are at we at the state of caring about new patches that fix the "desktop" use case for the dbus patchset?
[07:42] <tsdgeos> in case we are, there's updated https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/110325/ and https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/110643 that is new and should be applied before
[07:44] <Mirv> tsdgeos: well sure, since it'd be a bit unfortunate to land something to rtm that can't be landed to w, so if we have something that would be acceptable to both that'd be great.
[07:44] <tsdgeos> Mirv: so try applying those too please :)
[07:44] <Mirv> trying
[07:46] <Mirv> tsdgeos: 110325 has a new title but it's the one that replaces the older WIP-Deliver-events-in-threads-regardless-of-QCoreApp.patch, right?
[07:47] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i think so yes, that's probably why the new one is there, i think it was kind of spawned into two
[07:51] <Mirv> tsdgeos: 110325 now depends on adding something to qevdevtouchhandler_p.h that doesn't exist on 5.4
[07:52] <tsdgeos> Mirv: it's fine, don't add it then
[07:52] <tsdgeos> that particular patch to the file i mean
[07:53] <tsdgeos> it's not a dependency, it's "fixing" the file, since we don't have it, nothing to fix
[07:53] <Mirv> ok
[07:59] <Mirv> tsdgeos: hmm. notifyInternal2 function in https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/110325/7/src/corelib/kernel/qcoreapplication.cpp,unified also doesn't exist in 5.4 (hunks 3 and 4). also regarding notify_helper it's quite different in 5.4 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10837225/ so I'm not sure if it needs changing (hunk 6)
[08:00] <tsdgeos> Mirv: that's why i said that https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/110643/1//ALL goes before
[08:01] <Mirv> tsdgeos: oh, right, I did that, then I had a previous error and tried switching it back. thanks :)
[08:01] <Mirv> ok, seems it's rebased again
[08:04] <Mirv> cleaned 018 from the old builds and pushing a new one
[08:18] <tsdgeos> :)
[08:24] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you think we could do "a small landing" with what we have at the moment? to get 5.5 build out there and those small things?
[08:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we could, usre
[08:24] <Saviq> sure, even
[08:25] <Saviq> I *think*
[08:25] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:25] <Saviq> we're in Final Freeze since yesterday
[08:25] <tsdgeos> or well there's this release thing
[08:25] <tsdgeos> right
[08:25] <tsdgeos> i wonder when w is going to open
[08:25] <tsdgeos> we need a name!
[08:26] <Saviq> Mirv, what's the archive state atm, can we land anything? and will vivid accept anything before the release next week?
[08:26] <davmor2> tsdgeos: as I understand it there will be like a standby ppa till w is open and the initial imports done
[08:27] <davmor2> but I think that is just for phone
[08:38] <tsdgeos> dednick: are you adding the deletes to https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/1436982.message-freeze/+merge/255702 ?
[08:38] <dednick> tsdgeos: i am. but i'm adding unit tests for the async calls.
[08:38] <tsdgeos> dednick: cool
[08:45] <Mirv> Saviq: archive is closed regarding us, we'll start landings to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay today
[08:47] <Mirv> devel-proposed will be built using that PPA too
[08:48] <dpm> could someone help a scope developer? -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/610196/scope-developing-how-to-change-scope-result-inside-perform-action
[08:49] <Saviq> Mirv, okies
[08:49] <Saviq> pstolowski, ↑ askubuntu for you guys
[09:15] <Mirv> tsdgeos: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/203564985/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.qtbase-opensource-src_5.4.1%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu6~rtm~test1_BUILDING.txt.gz error: type 'QThread' is not a direct base of 'QEvdevTabletHandlerThread'
[09:16] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[09:16] <tsdgeos> let me check
[09:18] <pstolowski> dpm, Saviq, replied. btw that reminded me of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1335761 cause he is likely to hit it; do you recall if we concluded anything about that bug?
[09:18] <pstolowski> also tsdgeos ^
[09:19] <tsdgeos> Mirv: can you replace the QThread(parent) in there by QDaemonThread(parent) ?
[09:19] <tsdgeos> src/platformsupport/input/evdevtablet/qevdevtablet.cpp line 295
[09:19] <tsdgeos> and i'll comment in the MR
[09:20] <dpm> thanks pstolowski!
[09:20] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok
[09:23] <Mirv> adding to the patch
[09:24] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: have you tried this lately? maybe it was fixed when we made temp scopes open temp scopes?
[09:24] <tsdgeos> or has nothing to do?
[09:28] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, maybe, i'm not sure. no idea what what;s the best scope right now to exhibit this problem, the steps for youtube from the bug report don't seem to be applicable any,ore
[09:29] <pstolowski> pete-woods, hey, has 'Search' button been removed from youtube previews for channels? this is re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1335761 ?
[09:31] <pete-woods> pstolowski: hmm. I haven't changed youtube in quite some time
[09:33] <pstolowski> pete-woods, i cannot follow the steps from this report, because there is no search button in previews..
[09:34] <pete-woods> pstolowski: I think you had to preview a channel, or something like that
[09:34] <pete-woods> but I ended up taking all that out
[09:34] <pete-woods> obviously my bug description has now become junk
[09:37] <pete-woods> pstolowski: actually, it looks like it works now!
[09:37] <pstolowski> pete-woods, also some time ago we change the semantics of handling of scope:// uris in the shell; the are not preview-able, they just start a new search
[09:37] <pete-woods> yes
[09:37] <pete-woods> this is what I wanted!
[09:37] <pete-woods> so you can click through playlists
[09:37] <pete-woods> and it shows the contents
[09:37] <pstolowski> pete-woods, i suppose before you had an intermediate step of displaying a preview of a channel, now you don't have that
[09:37] <pete-woods> pstolowski: yeah, but you could't expand the playlist
[09:38] <pete-woods> as the search button URI didn't work
[09:38] <pstolowski> oh right
[09:38] <pete-woods> pstolowski: the navigation is a bit broken now, thouygh
[09:38] <pete-woods> when you hit back from inside in item in a playlist, you get dumped all the way out
[09:38] <pete-woods> but I guess that's the same in a lot of places in the dash
[09:38] <pstolowski> you get out of the youtube scope?
[09:39] <pete-woods> pstolowski: yeah
[09:39] <pete-woods> or if it's favourited, you get taken back to home
[09:39] <pstolowski> yeah i see it
[09:39] <pete-woods> pstolowski: I think we would really benefit from a history stack in the dash
[09:40] <pstolowski> yes
[09:41] <pstolowski> ok, to sum up, i'm not sure a Search button from the preview would work. what many scopes including youtube use is canned queries in search results, which always worked fine
[10:10] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, unfortunately changes to temp scopes didn't fix the issue; i've just commented on the bug report
[10:10] <tsdgeos> k
[10:13] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: what happens in that case signal wise?
[10:13] <tsdgeos> are we just getting a "search changed"?
[10:14] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, i havent' debugged it this time, but i think my comment #4 is still valid
[10:15] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:15] <tsdgeos> well i guess until noone really wants to do this
[10:15] <tsdgeos> it's no high prio :D
[10:18] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-dnd-cancelling/+merge/256462/comments/639298
[10:18] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, uh oh. thanks a lot for catching this
[10:19] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: honestly i think we should block clicks so you can't open an app while you're dragging an icon
[10:19] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, well, people do this, as the above ubuntuask question & comments to this bug show ;)
[10:19] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: then tell the powers that be to make it higher prio D:
[10:20] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: but still the cancellation should work fine in case it happens
[10:20] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, i think it's pretty useful for scopes to display a preview button that re-does the search with speicifc params
[10:20] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: agreed
[10:21] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yeah, definitely... the canellation might happen for different reasons. also tapping outside with another finger to close the launcher
[10:21] <mzanetti> I guess notifications, exiting apps and whatnot can cause it too
[10:22] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, I can't launch another app while draggin one
[10:23] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: be in the app cscope
[10:23] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you can click icons in the background
[10:23] <tsdgeos> it's kind of confusing
[10:23] <mzanetti> uh oh
[10:23]  * mzanetti tries
[10:24] <mzanetti> indeed... that should not work
[10:24] <mzanetti> otoh... the fact that we both notice it now for the first time :D
[10:25] <tsdgeos> yaeh
[10:25] <tsdgeos> well it's not too often that you use two fingers
[10:26] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i mean that's actually the other way i have to cancel the drag, hwo do you do it otherwise?
[10:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, when on the greeter, swipe the launcher away to the left
[10:27] <tsdgeos> ah it's on the greeter
[10:27] <mzanetti> well... doesn't matter... that's one way I found to repro a cancel
[10:27] <tsdgeos> right
[10:27] <tsdgeos> the other way i found was opnenig an app :D
[10:27] <mzanetti> right :)
[10:55] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, fixed
[10:55] <tsdgeos> k
[11:15] <MacSlow> mzanetti: Did you do any launcher-parity work already in a branch I should be picking up?
[11:15] <mzanetti> MacSlow, nope, don't have a branch. what would you start with?
[11:16] <MacSlow> mzanetti: I think the app-launching animation
[11:16] <mzanetti> ack
[11:17] <MacSlow> mzanetti: trello-card is also filled with the most current info from Design now
[11:18] <MacSlow> mzanetti: still need to pull all animation-spec info from Design
[11:19] <mzanetti> MacSlow, looking at that design picture I see conflicting specs with what they requested for the phone
[11:19] <mzanetti> MacSlow, for instance the quicklist was explicitly requested to not be next to the panel, but above/below the pressed icon
[11:19] <mzanetti> now in this one it's the old style again
[11:20] <MacSlow> mzanetti, I've seen the "above" version too
[11:20] <MacSlow> mzanetti: I'm expecting to do more details-info hunting in the coming days
[11:21] <mzanetti> MacSlow, so for things that are just not there yet, I guess whatever design comes up with is fine. but before changing existing things, please talk to me first
[11:21] <MacSlow> mzanetti: I want to keep asking question on a case-by-case/feature-by-feature basis
[11:21] <MacSlow> mzanetti: ack
[12:04] <MacSlow> mzanetti, do you know what "lockout capability" means wrt to launcher-feature-parity? Lockout as in "log out of session"?!
[12:32] <Saviq> MacSlow|lunch, no, always-show
[12:47] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: that's the other bug we found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1445472
[12:51] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i'm on bug finding mode today https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-dnd-cancelling/+merge/256462/comments/639341
[12:54] <dandrader> Saviq, will change to Super_L only after the change has landed. Otherwise people won't be able to test it: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/homeKey/+merge/256658
[12:56] <mzanetti> MacSlow|lunch, lockout: make the launcher stay on screen
[12:56] <mzanetti> instead of auto-hiding
[12:58] <Saviq> dandrader, sure
[12:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, can't repro
[12:59] <tsdgeos> it is a bit tricky
[12:59] <tsdgeos> i agree
[12:59] <mzanetti> ah, got it... but not sure what I did
[12:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: let me repeat what needs to be done
[13:00] <tsdgeos> basically you need to be moving the drag finger and the "cancel" finger at the same time
[13:00] <tsdgeos> and get lucky the drag finger would put it in the "next spot" i guess
[13:00] <mzanetti> yeah, that's how I understand the comment
[13:00] <mzanetti> right. the "lucky" part is a bit odd :D
[13:01] <tsdgeos> :D
[13:02] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, I think I found a way.... seems to happen if you get the cancel during a progressive autoscroll
[13:05] <MacSlow> Saviq, mzanetti: hm... ok, odd feature-name then :)
[13:15] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, can you give it another try?
[13:16]  * mzanetti goes friday labbing
[13:16] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: sure, just after flashing stable finishes
[13:16] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, thanks
[13:30] <tsdgeos> uh oh
[13:30] <tsdgeos> my BQ is in an infinite reboot loop
[13:30] <tsdgeos> after flashing stable
[13:37] <tsdgeos> and disconnecting the usb cable fixed it
[13:37] <tsdgeos> :S
[13:38] <MacSlow> :)
[13:50] <Cimi> Saviq, design is ok if we just use art header horizontal for the configuration cards
[14:04] <MacSlow> mzanetti, we do already have badge-counters in the unity8-lauchner as far as I can tell. Only top-right or bottom-right corner is unclear. Right?!
[14:05] <mzanetti> MacSlow, I hear bottom-right for the first time right now
[14:06] <mzanetti> MacSlow, where does it say bottom-right?
[14:07] <MacSlow> mzanetti, we do have badge-counters for all I know... at least I see them in the settings-icon when updates arrive on the device... in mockups I've seen contradicting top-right and bottom-right variations... email to design regarding this (among other things) is on its way to them .
[14:07] <mzanetti> MacSlow, pretty sure the bottom-right is a mistake
[14:07] <mzanetti> MacSlow, on the bottom there is a progress bar
[14:07] <mzanetti> we already have that, just not used anywhere yet
[14:08] <MacSlow> mzanetti, hm... the progress-bar is meant to e i nthe middle o fthe icon...
[14:08] <MacSlow> mzanetti, the "available updates" counter on the settings-icon... is that not a badge-counter?!
[14:08] <mzanetti> MacSlow, do a "make tryShell"
[14:09] <mzanetti> there you'll see all the things
[14:09] <MacSlow> mzanetti, ok
[14:10] <mzanetti> MacSlow, yes, the settings thing is the badge-counter
[14:13] <MacSlow> mzanetti, general question... the spreadsheet "N/A" means "none available" or "not applicable"
[14:13] <mzanetti> yes
[14:14] <MacSlow> mzanetti, that was a this-or-that question... not yes-or-no :)
[14:15] <mzanetti> dunno... means it's not there
[14:15] <mzanetti> :D
[14:15] <MacSlow> mzanetti, ok :)
[14:15] <MacSlow> mzanetti, "blocked on design" this means to me then
[14:15] <mzanetti> MacSlow, if you refer to the ones in the "Visual Design" column, feel free to question that if you think there is a visual design needed
[14:16] <mzanetti> MacSlow, for example in row 17 I would disagree that a visual design is not applicable. becuase I already had one when I implemented that
[14:17] <mzanetti> anhow, as it's already implemented we probably don't *really* need it any more now
[14:17] <mzanetti> although it should be archived in that design website...
[14:18] <MacSlow> mzanetti, I'll focus first on really non-implemented pieces first, before I start polishing things... since I know that's far more design-feedback-intense
[14:18] <Saviq> Cimi, so no work for us yet, then?
[14:18] <Cimi> Saviq, I would say so
[14:18] <Saviq> Cimi, cool, DONE
[14:18] <Cimi> :D
[14:19] <Saviq> Cimi, ok, so to fix the visual effect, jump on the shape card then
[14:19] <Saviq> Cimi, or let's size it after standup
[19:30] <dandrader> is it just me or does it really take forever to download an image to flash
[19:31] <dandrader> ?


[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <seb128> grrrr at the new launchpad choose-affected-product dialog
[09:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:12] <Hobbsee> is it better than the previous incarnations?
[09:12] <seb128> no it's not
[09:12] <Hobbsee> darn.
[09:12] <seb128> before I used to ctrl-v directly and press enter, that was efficiant
[09:12] <Hobbsee> it could get worse, and more confusing?
[09:13] <seb128> now the stupid button is selected by default so I need to use the mouse, click on the entry and then copy
[09:13] <Hobbsee> every time i went there, i just kept hitting random buttons until i got a valid option
[09:13] <Hobbsee> mpt: you're supposed to fix the whinging, please :)
[09:13] <seb128> Hobbsee: that's the "add an upstream watch url" dialog
[09:13] <Hobbsee> seb128: i thought the other had gotten morphed into it
[09:13] <seb128> I copy a zillion of bugzilla urls a week there
[09:13] <seb128> and it used to just work
[09:14] <seb128> sometime I think the launchpad team just hates users or something ;-)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> seb128: or they don't use the software that they write, more likely.
[09:14] <Hobbsee> seb128: then again, launchpad will be happy to tell you how you're using their software wrong, and how you should use it correctly instead.
[09:15] <mpt> Hobbsee, that might be on the cards for the next couple of months
[09:15] <mpt> No promises, though
[09:15] <seb128> Hobbsee: I doubt I'm using it wrongly there though ;-)
[09:15] <mpt> (Fixing the whinging, I mean, not telling you you're using it wrong)
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hahaa
[09:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: by all means, tell us about how we're supposed to get our tasks done by using your software.  start with the queue.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:16] <mpt> See, now that's a part we don't use
[09:16] <mpt> though I know cprov has been doing a lot of work on the queue lately
[09:16] <Hobbsee> yeah, the new version looks better
[09:18] <seb128> mpt: hey
[09:18] <seb128> mpt: who did the changes to the page to add an upstream watch?
[09:18] <mpt> seb128, no idea, sorry
[09:18] <mpt> What are the changes?
[09:19] <seb128> mpt: the page used to have one text entry to copy your upstream url
[09:20] <seb128> mpt: now it has 3 choices, upstream url, email, or just register
[09:20] <mpt> hmmm
[09:20] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/203722/+choose-affected-product for example
[09:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203722 in gnome-mount "Floppy Drive does not work in Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:20] <Amaranth> hrm, that's kind of bad
[09:20] <seb128> and the button gets selected by default
[09:21] <mpt> oy
[09:21] <seb128> which means you can't just ctrl-V and enter
[09:21] <seb128> which was nice and efficiant ;-)
[09:21] <mpt> Horizontal scrolling at 1024*768!
[09:21] <Amaranth> "Travis Watkins, the bug supervisor for Compiz, will be notified about this bug."
[09:21] <Amaranth> nice touch there
[09:21] <seb128> ;-)
[09:22] <mpt> Amaranth, serious or sarcastic?
[09:22] <Amaranth> mpt: little of both
[09:22] <mpt> ah, ha-ha-only-serious
[09:23] <Amaranth> all i can see it doing is helping people figure out how to hunt me down on IRC and bug me to death about their compiz problems
[09:24] <Amaranth> I really don't see what other use that except maybe an ego boost
[09:35] <Hobbsee> seb128: oh, that was allenap.
[09:35] <Hobbsee> seb128: i didn't realise that had gone into production yet
[09:36] <motti> hi all.
[09:36] <motti> is it possible to install symphonyone on a flash drive?
[09:36] <seb128> motti: hi, you want to try #ubuntu
[09:37] <seb128> no idea of what symphonyone is and that's not an user question channel
[09:37] <motti> http://symphonyos.com/cms/
[09:37] <Amaranth> that's not even an ubuntu question
[09:38] <motti> symphony one is an ubuntu based distro
[09:39] <motti> basically the distribution wrote a new desktop for ubuntu titled "mezzo" and shifted this new distrobution with this name.
[09:39] <Amaranth> i know what symphony is
[09:39] <Amaranth> but 1) it's not ubuntu and 2) this is a development channel
[09:39] <motti> k sorry
[09:41] <mpt> seb128, bug 220527 and bug 220529 reported
[09:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220527 in malone "URL field isn't focused by default in "Confirm project" page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220527
[09:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220529 in malone ""Confirm project" page is very wide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220529
[09:41] <mpt> and I'll see what I can do about abolishing that page too
[09:41] <seb128> mpt: thanks!
[10:24] <shiyee> seb128: i just reported an error (and simple patch) with the gvfs dav backend ( http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529349 ), which makes it more or less useless for me - should i report this in launchpad as well?
[10:24] <ubotu> Gnome bug 529349 in webdav backend "Redirects with username doesn't work" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:25] <seb128> shiyee: hi, no need to, I'm subscribed to the gvfs bugzilla and we will do the GNOME 2.22.n updates in hardy-updates
[10:26] <shiyee> ok, thx :-)
[11:10]  * mpt is almost tempted to use multiple workspaces for the first time ever
[11:14] <james_w> Hi all. I don't know if you saw, but motu-release delegated to you on bug 186938. Can anyone approve or deny the request?
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186938 in nautilus-wallpaper "nautilus-wallpaper not working in hardy heron after update to nautilus-2.21.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186938
[11:14] <seb128> james_w: looking
[11:15] <seb128> james_w: doesn't seem good
[11:16] <james_w> why's that?
[11:16] <seb128> james_w: the gconf changes seem to have nothing to do with the issue and are not explained
[11:17] <james_w> "Add gconf-2.0 pkg-config flags so it can compile", so it seems it fails to build otherwise.
[11:18] <james_w> I haven't tested this though, let me look in to it.
[11:19] <seb128> src/nautilus-nwe.c uses gconf indeed
[11:20] <james_w> yeah, the current source fails to build in my pbuilder
[11:22] <seb128> james_w: approved
[11:22] <james_w> seb128: thanks.
[11:22] <seb128> you are welcome
[11:22] <james_w> would you be willing to sponsor once I have tested it?
[11:22] <seb128> do you need an uploader too?
[11:22] <seb128> sure
[11:22] <james_w> thanks, give me a few minutes
[11:23] <james_w> also, while you're here, do you have an opinion on bug 118936?
[11:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118936 in alacarte "Alacarte does not recover deleted menu items" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118936
[11:26] <seb128> james_w: better to ask to Amaranth, he's upstream
[11:27] <seb128> james_w: I think vuntz fixed the gnome-menus issues upstream too now
[11:27] <james_w> sorry, what's the gnome-menus issue?
[11:28] <seb128> let me see, I'm not sure now what was the issue exactly
[11:28] <seb128> I think Amaranth said that was not easy to do in alacarte due to gnome-menus limitations
[11:29] <seb128> james_w: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323771
[11:29] <ubotu> Gnome bug 323771 in libgnome-menu "undoing moves doesn't work" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[11:29] <seb128> though that's likely a different issue
[11:29] <seb128> reading your patch now ;-)
[11:30] <james_w> yeah, I'm not sure whether that applies here.
[11:30] <james_w> to revert deletes you need to remove all desktop files in a user's home directory, and I don't know how to get that list.
[11:31] <seb128> we should get vuntz to add something in gnome-menus to do that ;-)
[11:31] <seb128> otherwise I think we should just hide the delete option
[11:31] <james_w> shall I report a bug upstream then?
[11:31] <seb128> would be a good idea yes
[11:32] <seb128> your change looks correct but that's later for hardy changes now, let's get that to hardy-updates later rather
[11:33] <james_w> ok
[11:34] <james_w> The fix for nautilus-wallpaper works here.
[11:35] <seb128> good
[11:35] <seb128> I'll upload
[11:36] <james_w> thanks
[14:42] <coNP[uni]> hi
[14:43] <seb128> hey coNP[uni]
[14:43] <coNP[uni]> Hey seb128
[14:43] <dholbach> hi coNP[uni]
[14:43] <seb128> it has been a while
[14:43] <seb128> how are you ?
[14:43] <coNP[uni]> I guess I hardly missed the hardy cycle :)
[14:43] <coNP[uni]> Thanks, I am fine... with a lots of deadlines
[14:44] <coNP[uni]> and with a cup of coffee :)
[14:44] <coNP[uni]> And you, seb128?
[14:44] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[14:44] <seb128> lot to do
[14:52]  * mvo mumbles something about tea
[14:54] <geser> black tea?
[14:54]  * dholbach reckons mvo drinks chinese, green tea now :)
[14:55] <mvo> dholbach: yep :)
[14:55]  * geser ponders to make himself a cup of earl grey or some darjeeling
[14:56]  * geser should buy some white tea again
[17:41] <tienhn> hi, first time on this channel. for questions related to Hardy desktop, is this the right palce?
[17:41] <seb128> Hi, depend of the question
[17:42] <seb128> that's not really an user chan
[18:39] <crevette> can someone test something
[18:39] <crevette> Try to access a capplet where you have to authenticate, don't put your password and press cancel
[18:40] <crevette> something it keeps stalled
[18:40] <crevette> sometimes the grey layer stays for ever
[18:45] <crevette> hey seb128
[18:47] <seb128> lut crevette
[18:49] <pitti> seb128: so the 'browse ISO with nautilus" (libarchive) change didn't go in?
[18:49] <pitti> seb128: I don't have such an option in the context menu, at least
[18:50] <seb128> pitti: no, I mentioned it at the meeting, the .desktop is installed in the nautilus example directory
[18:50] <seb128> pitti: it's not possible to use non gvfs applications to open files on the new backends since they don't understand the uris
[18:50] <seb128> so gedit, eog, etc don't work there
[18:51] <seb128> though fedora workaround that, they use the fuse mounts automatically now, that's transparent for the user
[18:51] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok, thanks
[18:51] <seb128> but that was late for hardy
[18:51] <seb128> could be something to consider for 8.04.1
[19:53] <slomo> pedro_: any new crash-on-exit bugs with gtk# applications?
[19:54] <pedro_> slomo: nothing new, latest fix was a success, thanks for it :-)
[19:54] <crevette> salut seb128
[19:54] <crevette> ah gone
[19:54] <slomo> pedro_: great :)


 Icons only task manager as default?
 @MichaelTunnell, We still have the standard one. I would say not change that in a LTS.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 @RikMills, I say do it because it looks better and since it's been maintained for so long it should be solid but I don't know. … I think that task manager is so much better than default
[21:20] <valorie> @MichaelTunnell are you following D27845
[21:21] <valorie> https://phabricator.kde.org/D27845
 Oh ok that's brand new


[00:41] <zephyr8965> Anybody here who can help me fix a bluetooth sound issue?  I've googled and googled, but come up with nothing. x.x
[00:42] <zephyr8965> I'm on Ubuntu 17.04, Mate 1.18.0, 64-bit.  My headset starts out playing fine, but after a bit, it starts to crackle, cut in and out, and develops over a full second of latency.
[00:42] <zephyr8965> I hope I'm in the right place to request this kind of assistance.    Sorry, my client crashed. :(
[01:38] <zephyr8965> Still looking for any assistance getting my bluetooth headphones to work properly.  Any assistance would be much appreciated. x.x
[02:30] <swift110> hey all
[02:45] <mate|78415> Hi everyone, I need help to install Ubuntu Mate 17.04 without a bootable cd/DVD or usb cause i don't have both. Anyone knows how?
[02:54] <syl> syllogos
[03:33] <partyline> hello i just install ubuntu mate 17 but my mouse pad on laptop not working any help please
[04:04] <Astro7467> partyline: upgrade or 1st time install? did/does it work in the USB live boot environment? what laptop or touchpad do you have? have you done a update & upgrade yet? works with mouse unplugged?
[04:53] <ubuntu-mate> 1
[05:31] <acer> hello ?
[05:36] <acer> I'm new to Linux I have a question >about Ubuntu mate 17.04
[05:38] <alkisg> acer, just ask and wait for answers
[05:38] <alkisg> !ask
[05:48] <drc> how to log out
[05:48] <acer> Sorry I step outside to let the dogs go restroom sorry about delay ...so right now im running the Ubuntu 16.04.2 is it best to wait till 17.04 has LTS after it to run it or good to run it now ?
[05:51] <Astro7467> acer:  next LTS is 18.04
[05:52] <Astro7467> generally recommended to run 16.04.2 LTS, unless you understand the implications of running a non-LTS
[07:12] <acer> Astro7467 Alright ...like i said im a new user of Linux so far like it lots to learn but i well get it
[07:38] <noah_> hi
[07:38] <noah_> how do i hard reset ubuntu mate?
[07:52] <alkisg> noah_: hard reset means the hardware reset button in the pc case
[07:52] <alkisg> If you don't mean that, then explain what you mean
[07:53] <alkisg> soft reset means software, and hard reset means hardware, so of course then it's not related to ubuntu or software in general
[08:53] <Guest85971> french
[09:15] <noah_> I mean like factory reset
[09:25] <Astro7467> noah_: reinstall is probably cleanest - there is an option to install over the top of existing installation if detected, else this may help (no mention of Ubuntu MATE) ; http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/reset-ubuntu-desktop-default-settings
[10:00] <thimm> hallo bei mir kann ich mit kopfhörern keine musik hören
[10:08] <nomic> !de
[10:12] <fengjie> hi
[10:23] <idata> hello, greetings
[10:53] <jazz> this is jazz
[17:23] <jas> есть кто из РФ?
[17:23] <jas> Всем привет
[17:27] <remi__> Hi guys
[17:27] <ncov> Hy
[17:27] <ncov> German or english ?
[17:27] <remi__> english
[17:28] <ncov> okay thanks
[17:28] <remi__> I am looking for a tool to tune my display
[17:28] <remi__> Mate on NUC connected to a TV
[17:29] <remi__> resolution a little big to large
[17:29] <ncov> sorry i am a noob
[17:29] <remi__> I can't see menu on top
[17:29] <ncov> by
[17:29] <remi__> no problemo ;)
[17:38] <remi__> find the answer ;)
[17:38] <remi__> fit the screen in TV setup
[17:38] <remi__> bye all
[17:41] <niranjanaam> hi
[17:42] <niranjanaam> external hard disc is not recognized
[17:42] <niranjanaam> I tried to connect Western Digital 1 TB
[17:43] <niranjanaam> do I have to install any drivers?
[17:46] <Menzador> I doubt it niranjanaam
[17:46] <Menzador> what's the output of [ sudo parted -l ] with the disk connected?
[17:48] <niranjanaam> Number  Start   End     Size    Type     File system  Flags
[17:48] <niranjanaam>  1      1049kB  67.1MB  66.1MB  primary  fat16        lba
[17:48] <niranjanaam>  2      67.1MB  15.9GB  15.9GB  primary  ext4
[17:49] <niranjanaam> it is not listed here..
[17:49] <Menzador> Does it say anything about the other disk, such as "Unrecognised disk label"?
[17:50] <niranjanaam> no Menzador..
[17:50] <niranjanaam> it is not
[17:50] <niranjanaam> it is WD My Passport Ultra
[18:03] <Menzador> Is it an external HDD? WD Passports usually are
[18:24] <alexander_> hello. Are there current plans tomake a raspberry pi 2/3 version of ubuntu mate 17.04?
[19:51] <bonk> hello guys
[19:51] <bonk> anyone on?
[20:08] <scootergrisen> Can anyone help me delete the empty "da" translation on https://www.transifex.com/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-welcome/dashboard/ and then rename the "da_DK" one to "da"?


[04:20] <doctormo> paultag: hey there
[04:39]  * BiosElement pokes doctormo
[04:39] <doctormo> BiosElement: Hey!
[04:40] <doctormo> BiosElement: You want to go now/?
[04:40] <BiosElement> doctormo: Just about any time is fine with me. It's up to you and pleia2 I think.
[04:41] <pleia2> hm?
[04:41] <BiosElement> Already been flipping through the bzr docs. Looks like a combo of SVN/Git to me >.>
[04:41] <doctormo> pleia2: going to do a quick run through of bzr
[04:42] <pleia2> ok, I need to get to bed, but I'll read the buffer in the morning :)
[04:42] <BiosElement> pleia2:  Would tomorrow be better for you? Assuming that's fine with you doctormo.
[04:42] <doctormo> pleia2: sounds good
[04:42] <doctormo> BiosElement: Sure, what time is good for all?
[04:43] <pleia2> I'll be around all day tomorrow, but you really don't need to wait for me
[04:43] <BiosElement> It's up to pleia2. Maybe 2 hours earlier from now?
[04:43] <pleia2> that's fine
[04:43] <doctormo> pleia2: Sure we do! Getting students together for the class is important
[04:44] <pleia2> fair enough :)
[04:44]  * pleia2 zzz
[04:44] <BiosElement> Night then pleia2, See you tomorrow.
[04:45] <doctormo> pleia2, BiosElement: ok we'll go tomorrow at between 2pm and 5pm EST, give or take
[04:46] <doctormo> It should take about 30 mins tops
[04:46] <BiosElement> Sounds good. And yeah, I don't think it'll take long.
[04:51] <doctormo> Thanks BiosElement, your most excelent to email :-D
[04:52] <BiosElement> doctormo, You're welcome. ^_^ I'll be around at 2PM EST tomorrow and probably idle through the night. Lemme know if you need anything else.
[18:08] <pleia2> ok everyone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/TeamReports
[18:19] <pleia2> and our meeting is in about 2.5 hours :)
[18:37] <BiosElement> pleia2, I'll be back at around 2:30-3:00. Sorry for being late. I'll let DoctorMo know.
[18:37] <BiosElement> That's EST.
[18:39] <pleia2> no problem
[19:56] <BiosElement> doctormo, pleia2 I'm back.
[19:56] <pleia2> wb
[19:56] <BiosElement> pleia2, Thanks.
[20:26] <doctormo> hey
[20:27] <doctormo> I figured i had until 3:30
[20:27] <BiosElement> Ahh, you were close enough doctormo.
[20:30] <doctormo> well, i'll be 13 mins > shower, I want you both to open up a terminal window, make sure you have a projects or documents directory and get into it and put any work you've done somewhere where we can move them from.
[20:30] <BiosElement> Aight
[20:39] <doctormo> pleia2: ping
[20:45] <doctormo> BiosElement: Wasn't pleia2 just here?
[20:45] <BiosElement> doctormo, Yep. Just a few ago.
[20:46] <doctormo> We'll wait
[20:46] <BiosElement> Fine with me.
[20:55] <pleia2> hey
[20:55] <pleia2> we have a team meeting in -meeting in 5 minutes
[20:57] <doctormo> pleia2: Well that's damn inconvienient ;-)
[20:57] <pleia2> :P
[20:58] <doctormo> It's in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:58] <doctormo> and then afterwards we'll do this checkout walk through
[20:58] <pleia2> Bodhi said he probably can't make it, and cprofitt has some family stuff
[20:58] <doctormo> pleia2: Looks like your in charge
[20:58] <pleia2> I haven't seen Vantrax :(
[20:58] <pleia2> yeah, won't be a long meeting
[21:44]  * BiosElement pops over >.>
[21:44] <pleia2> :)
[21:46] <Grantbow> Gidget_Kitchen: DCC won't work for me, try /msg Grantbow foo
[21:49] <doctormo> ok editing done
[21:49] <pleia2> thanks doctormo :)
[21:51] <doctormo> Everyone ready?
[21:51] <BiosElement> Well I am.
[21:51] <doctormo> Get open a command line terminal windows and cd into your projects directory
[21:51] <BiosElement> Got it. Lets make sure pleia2 is ready though.
[21:51] <pleia2> maybe we should start from the top, for those who have no idea where our bzr branch even is? :)
[21:52] <Grantbow> o/
[21:53] <doctormo> ok
[21:53] <doctormo> What we have here is a workflow for the creation and publication of creative materials
[21:53] <doctormo> For the creation and peer review process it seems like the best tool for the job is bzr on launchpad
[21:54] <doctormo> bzr is a peer based content versioning system, unlike cvs and svn which are master/client based systems.
[21:54] <doctormo> This means that each person's branch is just as equal as anyone elses.
[21:55] <Grantbow> I know bzr, just need the repo address
[21:55] <Grantbow> found it
[21:55] <doctormo> You should make sure your computer has bazar installed, you can do this from the command line by typing in "sudo apt-get install bzr"
[21:55] <Grantbow> oops, no branches at code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning
[21:56] <doctormo> Grantbow: These instructions are from the top and for the record.
[21:56] <BiosElement> Grant, relax. doctormo will get to it.
[21:56] <doctormo> Once bzr is installed, you should create a directory for your projects and inside that directory there should be a directory for the ubuntu-learning work.
[21:57] <doctormo> (I assume people know how to use mkdir)
[21:57] <doctormo> Once inside your project directory you can use a bzr command to create a fresh branch from the trunk:
[21:58] <doctormo> `bzr branch ubuntu-learning-materials`
[21:58] <doctormo> er sorry
[21:58] <doctormo> `bzr branch lp:ubuntu-learning-materials`
[21:59] <doctormo> once that's complete, you should have a new directory and inside that should be all the materials.
[22:00] <doctormo> those of you who have written parts, take note of the systems-admin directory, which contains all my current work's sources (but not the pdfs or the compiled versions)
[22:01] <BiosElement> Aye, I'm poking around it. ^_^ I like the organization system you have.
[22:01] <doctormo> BiosElement: Organisational systems are my forte
[22:02] <BiosElement> doctormo: That's a very good thing. ^_^
[22:02] <doctormo> So BiosElement and pleia2 should now create their directories. desktop and teaching as required.
[22:02] <pleia2> ok
[22:02] <BiosElement> Any particular name you want for the folder mo? I really don't care.
[22:02] <doctormo> BiosElement: 'teaching'
[22:02] <BiosElement> Aight
[22:02] <Grantbow> doctormo: thanks, got a copy
[22:03] <doctormo> Inside of the topic sections directory, there is a number of folders, each one contains a class and each class contains all the odf, svg files for that class.
[22:03] <doctormo> Each course and class contains a NOTES file where ideas and thigns missing should be kept
[22:04] <BiosElement> doctormo: One thought. Perhaps contact information for the current author should be in the notes or "CONTACT" file?
[22:04] <doctormo> BiosElement: Good idea, do that
[22:04] <BiosElement> doctormo: Ok then.
[22:05] <doctormo> I'd like it if those with files could now create their class directories. "01 - Desktop Familarity" and "01 - Class Writing" respectivly.
[22:05] <pleia2> ok
[22:05] <BiosElement> Aight
[22:05] <doctormo> you might have to use double quotes with mkdir
[22:05] <BiosElement> Or backspaces should work. >.> I used those for almost a year before learning double quotes... :S
[22:06] <pleia2> and maybe lowercase, to keep with your convention :)
[22:06] <doctormo> Once you have your new directories, move your odf and svg files into it. You may want to make a seperate parts directory for any images which are imported into the odfs
[22:06] <pleia2> BiosElement: backslashes?
[22:06] <BiosElement> pleia2: Yeah, my bad. >.> I always mix the two up.
[22:06] <Grantbow> underscores ftw - spaces are evil
[22:06] <doctormo> Grantbow: Mind the gap
[22:07] <BiosElement> doctormo: I'm quoting that. >.>
[22:07] <pleia2> ok, the only .odt I have so far is the one BiosElement wrote
[22:07] <pleia2> my notes thus far are separate
[22:07] <doctormo> OK
[22:08] <BiosElement> I've currently only got the one .odt. I'm going to be working on a flowchart eventually here.
[22:08] <doctormo> so your notes might go into the NOTES file for that class, i.e. ubuntu-learning-materials/desktop/01 - desktop familarity/NOTES
[22:08] <BiosElement> doctormo: Contact info inside the NOTES file right?
[22:08]  * pleia2 nods
[22:08] <doctormo> BiosElement: Seperate file please, I'll commit one and you guys can follow the structure
[22:08] <BiosElement> Ok, that'll work.
[22:11] <doctormo> BiosElement, pleia2: once you have your files and folders layed out, you can use the command
[22:11] <doctormo> bzr add [filenames]
[22:12] <doctormo> In this case just a `bzr add desktop` will do the trick as it will add all sub directories too.
[22:12] <doctormo> But in future you'll have to be sepcific
[22:12] <pleia2> so I'm a bit of a bzr n00b, I checked this out anonymously I think
[22:12] <BiosElement> pleia2: Follow the help instructions. I already finished that bit. Should work fine.
[22:13] <pleia2> BiosElement: where?
[22:13] <BiosElement> Hang 1
[22:13] <BiosElement> "bzr launchpad-login [NAME]"
[22:13] <pleia2> neat
[22:13] <BiosElement> You probably need to upload SSH keys to launchpad though, I'm not sure.
[22:14] <pleia2> yeah, my keys are up there
[22:14] <doctormo> Ah that part I missed, I have a config that does that for me
[22:14] <doctormo> And the SSH part, we should have those as prerequisits.
[22:14]  * pleia2 nods
[22:14] <doctormo> BiosElement: Can you make a note of these things for the second class? (commiting and peer review?)
[22:14] <BiosElement> Will do.
[22:15] <doctormo> Fantastic
[22:15] <doctormo> (this is why we write materials, as guides for teaching lol)
[22:15] <BiosElement> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/william/Documents/Ubuntu Learning/teaching/".
[22:16] <BiosElement> *cough* I goofed something. >.>
[22:16] <BiosElement> Helps if i cd into the directory I suspect
[22:17] <pleia2> oh yes, what is the next step here?
[22:18] <doctormo> OK so cd into the parent directory before you add
[22:18] <BiosElement> I got it, just had to cd in.
[22:18] <BiosElement> Yep. I shoulda known. >.>
[22:18] <doctormo> Then you have to do `bzr commit`
[22:18] <doctormo> this command adds the files and any modifications to your local branch
[22:18] <pleia2> Committed revision 11.
[22:18] <doctormo> You'll be asked for a commit message, please make sure it says what you've done.
[22:19] <doctormo> Now once you've got your commited branch, you want to `bzr push lp:~username/ubuntu-learning-materials/mybranchname`
[22:19] <doctormo> You can call your branch something relivent or just name it after yourself
[22:19] <BiosElement> What's the save commit notes command? >.> I don't use console editing much. (Though I want too.)
[22:20] <doctormo> I thought it was -e "blah"
[22:21] <doctormo> But I don't use that option much
[22:21] <doctormo> Let me know when your ready for the next bit
[22:22] <BiosElement> IRC Handles or Real Names? We have a standard for that yet? >.>
[22:23] <doctormo> BiosElement: Both if you can
[22:23] <doctormo> doesn't matter for the branches though
[22:23] <doctormo> Only for notes and contact
[22:23] <BiosElement> I meant for the branches. Ahh, ok. RL name it is then.
[22:24] <pleia2> I just put my lp name
[22:24] <doctormo> Normally once you've got your stuff live, you'll want to pull down other people's changes. The command you use depends on if your branch is different from theirs. If yours hasn't changed since their's diverged, then use 'bzr pull lp:~theiruser/ubuntu-learning-materials/theirbranchname'
[22:24] <pleia2> ok, so how do I get doctormo's stuff?
[22:25] <doctormo> If your pulling something down and it's from an older diverence, then use `bzr merge lp:~theiruser/ubuntu-learning-materials/theirbranchname`
[22:25] <doctormo> OK so we're going to merge in the change I just made, just to show you
[22:26] <doctormo> I've updated the branch lp:ubuntu-learning-materials to rev 11 and so have both of you
[22:26] <doctormo> So technically we have a conflict
[22:26] <doctormo> But it's easy and cheap to merge and branch with bzr
[22:27] <doctormo> Just use `bzr merge lp:ubuntu-learning-materials` and your branch should be up to date
[22:27] <doctormo> Then use bzr commit and bzr push as above to move those changes into your live branches
[22:27] <pleia2> +N  CONTACTS
[22:27] <pleia2> +N  systems-admin/CONTACT
[22:27] <pleia2> All changes applied successfully.
[22:27] <pleia2> :)
[22:28] <doctormo> Great
[22:28] <doctormo> now add in your own CONTACT file as shown with my systems-admin one into your own directory and commit and push everything
[22:28] <doctormo> BiosElement: Are you keeping up or would you like me to give you some time?
[22:29] <BiosElement> Almost got it, Just finished commiting it. vim was giving me a headache so i found the commandline version.
[22:30] <doctormo> pleia2: OK have you visited https://code.launchpad.net/~lyz/ubuntu-learning-materials/lyz ?
[22:30] <pleia2> neat
[22:31] <doctormo> On your branch page on launchpad, you'll notice a link that says "Propose for merging into another branch"
[22:31] <doctormo> Use this link once you've completed a class, that will allow us to know when your ready for peer review and we can go through the changes and aprove it.
[22:32] <pleia2> cool
[22:32] <doctormo> Make sure to note what's been done and such
[22:33] <doctormo> Once it's gone into the main repository (I do a bzr merge and commit) then we can compile and publish it on moodle.
[22:33] <Grantbow> nice
[22:34] <doctormo> OK that concludes our quick introduction to bzr and the loose workflow we have,
[22:34] <pleia2> thanks doctormo :)
[22:34] <doctormo> I have to go now, but I will be back to help BiosElement complete this first class and make a stab at the second.
[22:34] <BiosElement> Aight.
[22:34] <doctormo> now that we have bzr set up for him, we can propperly collaberate over not-google-docs :-D
[22:35] <BiosElement> haha, That'd be nice :P
[22:35] <pleia2> hehe
[22:35] <doctormo> ok guys, you might want to practice amongst yourselves.
[22:35]  * pleia2 nods
[22:36] <BiosElement> See ya later doctormo.
[22:39] <BiosElement> Miracles happen >.> https://code.launchpad.net/~williamchambers/ubuntu-learning-materials/williamchambers
[22:39] <BiosElement> Finally got it. haha
[22:39] <pleia2> :D
[22:40] <BiosElement> Well one good thing happened. I found 15 new ways to goof it to tell people 'not' to do. ^_^
[22:40] <BiosElement> "See what I did there? Just do the exact opposite of what I did and you'll do great."
[22:41] <pleia2> hehe
[22:41] <Grantbow> lol
[22:51] <BiosElement> pleia2: Are you still around?
[22:52] <pleia2> yep
[22:53] <BiosElement> pleia2: The Bazaar docs are surprisingly useful if you want to flip through them. http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html
[22:53] <pleia2> BiosElement: thanks :) I have that link and started going through it, was just tricky without being immediatley applicable (it is now)
[22:53] <pleia2> if I could type that'd be neat too
[22:54] <BiosElement> pleia2: I know what you mean. I was reading it last night. Pretty easy to read compared to most docs. And yes, typing is good :P
[22:54] <pleia2> hehe
[23:02] <Gidget_Kitchen> thank you Grant - Criticism is always appreciated - I want to be able to present my message as clearly as possible